| 00:00.10 | abrotman | smultron: i'd try another local address .. |
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| 00:00.29 | smultron | ok |
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| 00:02.52 | smultron | abrotman: cool. worked :) |
| 00:03.08 | abrotman | so now you try another remote host besides gmail |
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| 00:08.54 | smultron | abrotman: just tried with a yahoo account, didn't work |
| 00:09.23 | abrotman | is there another email server you control ? |
| 00:09.35 | smultron | nope |
| 00:09.42 | abrotman | do the email logs have anything useful ? |
| 00:09.44 | poseidon | Anyone here use openSolaris? |
| 00:09.50 | abrotman | poseidon: #solaris |
| 00:09.52 | markybob | poseidon c'mon |
| 00:09.55 | abrotman | and i need bread |
| 00:10.16 | smultron | nothing other than that amavis message |
| 00:10.57 | poseidon | I want to get a perspective of it from someone who I know uses a linux distro I'm familiar with (as they probably have the same wants from an operating system as me). |
| 00:11.05 | poseidon | Is it similar to linux? |
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| 00:11.57 | lastnode | Baatti: you can do a netinst |
| 00:12.05 | markybob | poseidon then go to #debian-offtopic |
| 00:12.15 | Baatti | ok, so I'd start by D/Ling the image filez? |
| 00:12.27 | lastnode | Baatti: yes, you said you cant burn a cd though? |
| 00:12.34 | lastnode | Baatti: are you ruwnning win32 atm? |
| 00:12.36 | Baatti | well.. |
| 00:12.39 | poseidon | I'll try it in virtual machine |
| 00:12.49 | Baatti | I can burn discs, but I don't think I can burn images |
| 00:12.56 | lastnode | Baatti: imagesare discs |
| 00:13.00 | lastnode | *images are discs |
| 00:13.05 | Baatti | hrm |
| 00:13.10 | lastnode | there are a lot of free disc/image burning tools for win32 |
| 00:13.16 | Baatti | so I'd just burn the file normally? |
| 00:13.18 | lastnode | dont worry, it's the last time you'll need to find one anyway |
| 00:13.24 | Baatti | heh |
| 00:13.33 | noisesmith | Baatti: it should do the right thing when you hand it an iso |
| 00:13.35 | lastnode | Baatti: no. you need to burn the image, the .iso, which is an archive that has a lot of files |
| 00:13.47 | Baatti | ok.. |
| 00:13.48 | lastnode | most programs do that on their own |
| 00:13.56 | lastnode | but dont drag and drop hte iso, that is all :) |
| 00:13.58 | Baatti | lemme start this d/l of Debian than |
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| 00:14.15 | lastnode | Baatti: id recommend you get Debian Etch, the latest stable release |
| 00:14.22 | lastnode | especially since this is your first time. |
| 00:14.25 | Baatti | ok |
| 00:14.34 | lastnode | you are about to pop you debian cherry :o |
| 00:14.34 | noisesmith | lastnode: I would be surprised if a halfway decent disk burning program did not do the right thing if you dragged an iso to it |
| 00:14.50 | lastnode | noisesmith: im talking about windows cd creator :) |
| 00:14.55 | lastnode | i think i tjust copies the file as data |
| 00:15.03 | lastnode | as in just copies the .iso |
| 00:15.06 | abrotman | smultron: what's the message again ? |
| 00:15.24 | smultron | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/db6aa6a |
| 00:15.36 | smultron | it looks like it should be successful |
| 00:15.48 | poseidon | How do I search apt for a package, ie virtual machine? |
| 00:15.49 | smultron | but it never arrives at the remote host address |
| 00:15.49 | abrotman | smultron: you did check the junk folder right ? |
| 00:15.58 | smultron | abrotman: let me check |
| 00:16.00 | abrotman | !tell poseidon about search |
| 00:16.16 | Baatti | do I want to d/l the bootable image? |
| 00:16.29 | abrotman | gravity: do you know what's up with people going etch->lenny and the dexconf barfing and leaving them with a half-assed xorg.conf ? |
| 00:16.38 | smultron | abrotman: it's not in the junk |
| 00:16.47 | abrotman | smultron: on yahoo and gmail ? |
| 00:16.51 | gravity | abrotman: xorg.conf is supposed to be much shorter in lenny, but dexconf shouldn't barf |
| 00:16.57 | smultron | abrotman: right |
| 00:17.07 | gravity | abrotman: I haven't been following changes over the past few weeks though, so I don't know what they've changed. |
| 00:17.18 | gravity | Nor have I followed bug reports |
| 00:17.23 | abrotman | gravity: i saw someone earlier on OFTC and someone here today that said it was crashing after the Emulate3 question .. and wouldn't write a complete config |
| 00:17.35 | gravity | abrotman: Hrm, that's a new one. |
| 00:17.46 | lastnode | Baatti: yes. |
| 00:17.47 | abrotman | that was the guy earlier here today |
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| 00:18.17 | gravity | checks git |
| 00:18.18 | abrotman | smultron: if you send a mail normally to gmail, does it show up ? |
| 00:18.21 | lastnode | Baatti: im afraid i have to run now, but ask in here, you will get answers. if you don't, wait a while, use google. that's the linux way. we help those who help themselves. :) in any case, good luck! |
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| 00:18.37 | Baatti | thanx |
| 00:18.41 | Baatti | I appreciate the help |
| 00:18.42 | Baatti | take care |
| 00:19.06 | lastnode | :) |
| 00:19.14 | smultron | abrotman: yep, shows up fine |
| 00:19.30 | abrotman | gravity: we did try a few things, including them doing a fresh install/dist-upgrade |
| 00:19.39 | abrotman | smultron: did you check the mailq ? |
| 00:19.56 | gravity | damn, git.d.o is sloooooow |
| 00:20.25 | gravity | I was probably the last one mucking around in that code, but you never know. |
| 00:20.30 | smultron | abrotman: yeah, it's not in there |
| 00:20.35 | Baatti | I don't understand what the difference is between: alpha, amd64, arm, hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpic, and sparc |
| 00:20.57 | dvs | Baatti: chances are you need i386 |
| 00:20.59 | abrotman | smultron: did you check the other mail logs ? |
| 00:21.02 | Baatti | kk |
| 00:21.03 | noisesmith | Baatti: incompatible cpus |
| 00:21.12 | abrotman | not wholy incompatible |
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| 00:21.31 | Baatti | eh? |
| 00:21.38 | Baatti | so not the i386? |
| 00:21.53 | Baatti | I'm gonna install it on a system with Windows XP already installed |
| 00:21.58 | noisesmith | Baatti: if you are runnign windows, you want x86 |
| 00:21.58 | markybob | if you dont know, you should get i386 |
| 00:22.03 | Baatti | kk |
| 00:22.38 | Baatti | wait, but that isn't an option at.. http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 00:22.43 | smultron | abrotman: yeah, i did grep -rn gmail /var/log |
| 00:24.02 | mom_ | I just installed the nvidia proprietary driver (through apt), and now the screen is shifted a half-inch to the left (so part of it is cut off, and there's unused space on the right side). And since my monitor has no buttons, I'm not able to shift it to the right. |
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| 00:24.16 | noisesmith | google isn't helping me much here: for an airport card is the orinoco driver a better bet, or wlan-ng? |
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| 00:24.34 | dvs | Baatti: I see i386 as the fifth option. |
| 00:25.10 | Baatti | yeah, I'm downloading debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso now |
| 00:25.37 | Baatti | only thing is :( *sigh* I don't think I have a blank CD on me |
| 00:25.45 | abrotman | mom_: xvidtune used to fix that .. not sure if it still exists |
| 00:26.03 | markybob | Baatti check on top of your head |
| 00:26.37 | Baatti | ahah! |
| 00:26.39 | Baatti | there's one! |
| 00:26.48 | Baatti | thanks markybob |
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| 00:26.58 | gravity | abrotman: I think I've found the bug |
| 00:27.04 | gravity | I just need to make sure |
| 00:27.05 | abrotman | gravity: i didn't do it! |
| 00:27.10 | gravity | I probably did |
| 00:27.15 | gravity | Overzealous deletion ftl |
| 00:27.22 | Baatti | guys, what programming language was Linux built on? |
| 00:27.24 | abrotman | gravity: let's blame Ubuntu developers! |
| 00:27.28 | abrotman | Baatti: numerous |
| 00:27.31 | Baatti | heh |
| 00:27.36 | Baatti | cuz it's opensource? |
| 00:27.48 | mom_ | abrotman, It exists, but gives me a error saying my "requested modeline is not possbile" whenever I try to apply a change |
| 00:27.48 | azeem | cuz it's teh awesome |
| 00:28.03 | abrotman | azeem-- |
| 00:28.08 | azeem | Baatti: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 00:28.44 | abrotman | mom_: you could try changing the refresh rate(assuming it's a CRT) which seems to alter the position .. and what kind of monitor doesn't have buttons to move stuff |
| 00:29.07 | noisesmith | Baatti: the linux kernel itself is mostly c, a tiny bit of assembly |
| 00:29.26 | Baatti | azeem: well yes, I had a few that were already answered, and I'll have a bunch more in a few minutes when I get my .iso burned |
| 00:29.32 | gravity | abrotman: I may do that too, but I doubt it |
| 00:29.33 | Baatti | ahah, thanks noisesmith |
| 00:29.48 | azeem | Baatti: ok, try to ask the Debian question then, not the off-topic ones please |
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| 00:29.55 | noisesmith | Baatti: the userland is mostly c with a large amount of c++, and a sprinking of perl, sh, python, and miscelanious obscurity on top |
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| 00:30.11 | Baatti | azeem: sorry bro, I'll try my hardest /me is the king of random |
| 00:30.19 | azeem | good |
| 00:30.42 | cafuego | stone fruit |
| 00:30.50 | hedos | Hello. When I go into the KDE Control Panel, my MX500 Logitech mouse is detected. However, it is said that it "was not possible to access the mouse" and is probably due to a "permissions problem". Any idea what's wrong? |
| 00:31.00 | mom_ | abrotman, Some samsung model that decided to do it only in software - which is windows only :(. I'll try playing with my refresh and see what happens. Thanks! |
| 00:31.19 | hedos | Right now the scroll wheel and forward/back button just provoke random other things happening in my web browser. |
| 00:31.24 | gravity | Yep, it's my fault. Made the change on October 31. |
| 00:32.29 | Baatti | if I don't like Debian OS, how'd I remove it? |
| 00:33.32 | sycle | whats the package name to install curl? i know how to list the packages, but which one? |
| 00:33.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell sycle -about search |
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| 00:34.02 | sycle | i know about search |
| 00:34.12 | sycle | apt-cache search curl |
| 00:34.18 | dondelelcaro | sycle: and what did that tell you? |
| 00:34.27 | sycle | abt 10 different things |
| 00:34.37 | dondelelcaro | sycle: and did you look at those 10 different things? |
| 00:34.53 | sycle | im looking at them now |
| 00:35.22 | noisesmith | sycle: you want the one called "curl" |
| 00:35.31 | dondelelcaro | unless you're not running Debian, the answer is there, and should be obvious to find. |
| 00:36.17 | sycle | ah, well when i tried that obvious answer before, it said it didnt know how. |
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| 00:36.33 | dondelelcaro | sycle: what, aptitude install curl? |
| 00:36.35 | sycle | but i htink i got it now |
| 00:36.43 | sycle | i used apt-get that time |
| 00:37.19 | gravity | abrotman: Thanks for letting me know. I'll be committing the fix to git now. |
| 00:37.25 | abrotman | gravity: thanks :) |
| 00:37.37 | abrotman | gravity: now i just have to find Lovelace :) |
| 00:37.39 | gravity | heh, I never expected to be committing changes to the X packages the day after blogging about how I was taking time off :-) |
| 00:37.49 | And1 | abrotman: Hrm, I don't find any .deb package with google... =/ |
| 00:37.52 | abrotman | gravity: you broked it! |
| 00:38.06 | gravity | I did |
| 00:38.12 | gravity | I can't believe it didn't get caught before this |
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| 00:38.31 | gravity | I'd file a bug report about it, but this is an ubuntu machine and reportbug from ubuntu scares me |
| 00:38.37 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 00:38.40 | abrotman | And1: http://planet.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?terms=etch+gnome+backport .. look for norbert's postings .. there are a few |
| 00:38.43 | dondelelcaro | gravity: traitor! ;-) |
| 00:39.01 | abrotman | And1: seems the last he did was 2.16 |
| 00:39.14 | abrotman | And1: is that new enough ? |
| 00:39.17 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Well, I installed it to learn how to do so because I was going to repeat the setup on my girlfriend's identical laptop. So it did serve a very good purpose :-) |
| 00:39.24 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I've just been too lazy to install debian over it |
| 00:39.30 | And1 | abrotman: 2.10 is new enough I think. |
| 00:39.30 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 00:39.33 | abrotman | And1: nevermind .. it's gone |
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| 00:40.13 | abrotman | And1: your options 1) make your own package (/msg dpkg ssb) 2) upgrade your box to Lenny |
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| 00:40.47 | And1 | Ah ok. =/ |
| 00:41.34 | Monkey_arma | My hardware clock is set to UTC. My timezone is Europe/London. I have set /etc/default/rcS UTC option to yes as it says in man page for tzconfig. However, my clock is 1 hour out. |
| 00:41.52 | Baatti | ok, now I'm frustrated.. |
| 00:41.52 | poseidon | When trying to apt-install irtualbox-ose-modules it says that it can not find it, but it see's packages that refer to it. |
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| 00:42.18 | And1 | abrotman: He also seems to have my problem: http://people.quaqua.net/ultrotter/blog/archives/136 =) |
| 00:42.18 | battlemidget | poseidon: sun has debian packages for the latest virtualbox |
| 00:42.38 | battlemidget | i installed it today with no problem |
| 00:42.53 | poseidon | battlemidget, how do I get it from sun? |
| 00:42.56 | Baatti | I downloaded the netinst.iso, but i couldn't choose SAVE I had to choose Open with: Easy CD Creator, and I can't choose the netinst.iso as a file to add to my burn project |
| 00:43.00 | battlemidget | lemme see if i can find the link |
| 00:43.24 | battlemidget | poseidon: https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=innotek-1.6-G-F@CDS-CDS_SMI |
| 00:43.27 | dondelelcaro | Monkey_arma: what does date --utc; date; TZ=UTC hwclock --utc; say? |
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| 00:44.06 | battlemidget | Baatti: is there a menu option for burn an image? |
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| 00:44.17 | Baatti | hrm, lemme check |
| 00:44.21 | lagbolt | anyone know of a program that i can launch a full screen game in so that it stay's windowed and not full screened? |
| 00:45.04 | gravity | Ok, fix pushed |
| 00:45.30 | Baatti | I can choose a 'New CD Project' but I have to tell it which file to burn, and it's not on my harddrive |
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| 00:45.43 | Baatti | lemme try the download from scratch again |
| 00:45.47 | gravity | That was also the first "real" thing I've done with emacs |
| 00:45.57 | dondelelcaro | gravity: using git.el? |
| 00:46.03 | adr3nalin3 | could anyone tell me if debian supports /etc/smbfstab? For mounting smb/cifs at boot time? I have asked in #samba already and haven't found much on google. |
| 00:46.04 | gravity | dondelelcaro: No, I should learn that. |
| 00:46.05 | battlemidget | Baatti: downloading with firefox? |
| 00:46.08 | Monkey_arma | dondelelcaro, http://rafb.net/p/GMCyIa96.html |
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| 00:46.12 | Baatti | yes |
| 00:46.22 | And1 | abrotman: I can also try to reaplace some actions in my gtkrc... =/ |
| 00:46.24 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I'm still just trying to get used to the keybindings at this point, so modes are kinda scary :-) |
| 00:46.24 | battlemidget | adr3nalin3: smbfs is deprecated |
| 00:46.27 | dondelelcaro | Monkey_arma: right; your clock is set wrong |
| 00:46.31 | gravity | except org-mode. org-mode rocks my socks |
| 00:46.38 | dondelelcaro | Monkey_arma: install ntpdate or ntp; and set it properly |
| 00:46.44 | adr3nalin3 | battlemidget: ok thank you |
| 00:46.54 | dondelelcaro | gravity: ah; yeah, the keybindings do take a bit to get used to |
| 00:47.00 | battlemidget | adr3nalin3: cifs is provided as module with kernel so you can just put that in your /etc/fstab |
| 00:47.02 | Monkey_arma | dondelelcaro, this is just for my home comp |
| 00:47.11 | dondelelcaro | Monkey_arma: doesn't really matter |
| 00:47.18 | abrotman | And1: perhaps |
| 00:47.20 | Baatti | ok, ne'er mind, I got it |
| 00:47.22 | poseidon | How do I install from a .deb? |
| 00:47.29 | battlemidget | Baatti: :) |
| 00:47.34 | dondelelcaro | poseidon: in general, you should use apt-get, but dpkg -i foo.deb; |
| 00:47.34 | abrotman | poseidon: man dpkg |
| 00:47.34 | battlemidget | poseidon: dpkg -i <deb file> |
| 00:47.35 | Monkey_arma | dondelelcaro, what is causing it? i can alter clock in bios etc... |
| 00:47.36 | Baatti | just a sec, brb, afk |
| 00:47.45 | abrotman | And1: i don't muck much with themes |
| 00:47.46 | dondelelcaro | Monkey_arma: are you running windows on that machine? |
| 00:47.57 | adr3nalin3 | battlemidget: awesome thanks! |
| 00:48.03 | battlemidget | adr3nalin3: np : ) |
| 00:48.12 | And1 | I just get this error: "/home/and1/.themes/Clearlooks_Compact/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:46: error: unexpected identifier `darker', expected string constant" |
| 00:48.17 | Monkey_arma | dondelelcaro, i have a windows ME partition but i dont use it. I checked time in bios and it was correct. |
| 00:48.19 | And1 | That's the only problem I have. ^^ |
| 00:48.32 | dondelelcaro | Monkey_arma: the time in the bios is set to your local time, not to UTC, which is what it should be. |
| 00:48.42 | dondelelcaro | Monkey_arma: so because of that, all of your clocks are one hour off. |
| 00:48.52 | Monkey_arma | ah of course |
| 00:48.56 | battlemidget | ntp++ |
| 00:48.59 | dondelelcaro | Monkey_arma: if you install ntpdate or ntp, they'll set your clock correctly automatically, and it'll be right when you boot up next time. |
| 00:49.10 | Monkey_arma | dondelelcaro, yes GMT is not same as BST. I can just alter BIOS |
| 00:49.18 | Monkey_arma | thank you for making me realise |
| 00:49.19 | Monkey_arma | :) |
| 00:49.31 | dondelelcaro | Monkey_arma: ntp is the way to go; there's no way to set your clock accurately using the bios. |
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| 00:50.02 | sean_ | hello is anyone here |
| 00:50.04 | dondelelcaro | (and setting the clock using the bios requires work; installing ntp requires very little) |
| 00:50.08 | dondelelcaro | sean_: no. |
| 00:50.15 | Monkey_arma | dondelelcaro, a few seconds here or there out is fine for me..i will learn ntp at some point tho |
| 00:50.25 | dondelelcaro | Monkey_arma: nothing to learn, honestly. |
| 00:50.34 | battlemidget | Monkey_arma: if you work with kerberos then you'll need ntp |
| 00:50.35 | dondelelcaro | Monkey_arma: just install it, and the package does it all for you. |
| 00:50.36 | Monkey_arma | :) ok i will look into it thank you |
| 00:50.37 | battlemidget | so why not just use that |
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| 00:51.36 | poseidon | battlemidget, now that I've installed the virtualbox from sun, where can I find the executable? |
| 00:51.53 | poseidon | nm |
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| 00:52.13 | battlemidget | : ) |
| 00:52.26 | Baatti | battlemidget: ok, I'm back, what'd you want? |
| 00:52.27 | battlemidget | poseidon: in gnome it adds it to the system tools menu |
| 00:52.36 | battlemidget | Baatti: nothing just glad you got it burned |
| 00:52.52 | poseidon | battlemidget, I use kde, and it adds it to by defualt, unless you have a custom menu layout like me |
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| 00:53.14 | Baatti | battlemidget: heh, I actually haven't gotten that far yet, I just started my download over, this time saving it to disc |
| 00:53.19 | battlemidget | cool |
| 00:53.31 | Baatti | yeah, apparently I overlooked that option last time |
| 00:53.59 | Baatti | I'm at 66% |
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| 00:54.13 | battlemidget | yea netinst is small : ) |
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| 00:54.25 | Cyorxamp | Does anyone know how I can make this umm, go away? :) ..... The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 00:54.36 | Baatti | I used Fedora Core 4.0 a few years ago on a friends computer, it was a bit difficult to understand at first, but I am excited to try Linux again |
| 00:54.44 | Baatti | how does Debian compare to Fedora? |
| 00:55.12 | Cyorxamp | main difference is the package manament |
| 00:55.33 | Cyorxamp | Instead of RPM's you have DEB packages... IMO much greater reliability at resolving dependancies |
| 00:55.45 | Cyorxamp | default GUI's are both Gnome - so you should feel at home |
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| 00:57.46 | Baatti | ok, cool |
| 00:58.16 | gravity | Less hat, more swirl |
| 00:58.26 | Cyorxamp | exactly :D |
| 00:59.38 | HELLOF | is it normal for the [Select and install software] part to hang at 5% retrieving 670 of 718? It's been like this for at least 5 minutes |
| 01:02.29 | karsten | HELLOF: Usually indicates a bad packages list. |
| 01:02.47 | karsten | HELLOF: Try re-running 'aptitude update'. You may need to clear the package lists themselves. |
| 01:03.19 | HELLOF | no, i'm installing this using the dvd and on a vm and i disabled the internet on it (why use it? i have all 3 dvds) |
| 01:03.23 | karsten | HELLOF: /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 01:03.30 | karsten | HELLOF: Hrm. |
| 01:03.33 | HELLOF | if that's the case, i have to reburn |
| 01:03.46 | Baatti | yay, I finally got my .iso to start burning! |
| 01:03.51 | karsten | HELLOF: 'dmesg' and look for disk errors. |
| 01:03.56 | Baatti | let's hope it's all working properly.. |
| 01:03.58 | karsten | HELLOF: This is during install or after install? |
| 01:04.11 | HELLOF | during. do i do that on the first screen, next time? |
| 01:04.21 | Baatti | so now, I'm just going to keep my cd in, and reboot my computer, and it should start the installation, correct? |
| 01:04.29 | battlemidget | Baatti: yea |
| 01:04.34 | Baatti | ok, great |
| 01:04.44 | battlemidget | Baatti: if it fails it may be because it didn't burn the iso as an image |
| 01:04.46 | HELLOF | debian should make that more explicit, i feel that knowing if the disk is error free before doing anything is crucial |
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| 01:05.00 | battlemidget | Baatti: you can verify if you open the cd in your file browser and see if the physical iso is on the cd |
| 01:05.05 | karsten | HELLOF: <alt>-<f2> should get you a shell. |
| 01:05.08 | Baatti | and since i'm running windows too, it'll ask if I want to set it to dual boot, right? |
| 01:05.08 | battlemidget | Baatti: you should see folders and such |
| 01:05.15 | Baatti | ok |
| 01:05.22 | karsten | HELLOF: You _do_ have the option of verifying media at the boot prompt. |
| 01:05.25 | battlemidget | Baatti: you'll need a separate partition for dual booting |
| 01:05.27 | karsten | HELLOF: ... so you can try that. |
| 01:05.31 | Baatti | ut oh.. |
| 01:05.40 | Baatti | so I'll have to re-partition my hard drive? |
| 01:05.45 | Baatti | meep |
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| 01:05.53 | Baatti | I don't dare to mess with that schtuff.. |
| 01:05.56 | Baatti | it's my dad's computer! |
| 01:06.10 | karsten | HELLOF: That said, a possibly valid criticism. The installer's come miles and miles from where it started, it's hard to anticipate all possible errors. |
| 01:06.17 | HELLOF | thanks for pointing out all of this karsten, it will be helpful when i really install debian as my main os |
| 01:06.24 | battlemidget | Baatti: yea unfortunately |
| 01:06.25 | karsten | HELLOF: NP. |
| 01:06.34 | battlemidget | Baatti: though there are live cds out there |
| 01:06.39 | battlemidget | Baatti: if you jsut want to mess around with it |
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| 01:06.47 | Baatti | battlemidget: hrm, what does a live cd do? |
| 01:06.53 | Baatti | can I download one? |
| 01:06.55 | battlemidget | Baatti: it boots linux up into memory |
| 01:06.59 | Baatti | hrmm |
| 01:07.01 | battlemidget | Baatti: yea there are several out there |
| 01:07.05 | HELLOF | and speak of the devil, the progress bar just shot past 5% while i was chatting |
| 01:07.16 | HELLOF | guess i'm lucky |
| 01:07.18 | Baatti | battlemidget: hrm, well, can I pm you for a sec? |
| 01:07.24 | battlemidget | Baatti: fedoraproject.org, ubuntu.com all have livecds available in download section |
| 01:07.27 | battlemidget | Baatti: sure |
| 01:07.53 | karsten | HELLOF: I haven't done a Debian install lately, just did Kubuntu off CD, and noted that it sat for a long time whilst installing the X11 packages. |
| 01:08.33 | karsten | HELLOF: ... the progress meter may be a count of packages, so one large package (or bundle) may slow it down. Watching das Blinkenlights may indicate what's actually going on behind the scenes. |
| 01:08.40 | karsten | HELLOF: eg: disk access lights. |
| 01:09.17 | And1 | Night everyone. abrotman, thanks for your help. =) |
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| 01:09.23 | abrotman | HI |
| 01:09.24 | abrotman | OH |
| 01:09.44 | karsten | abrotman: O. Hi. Oh. |
| 01:09.49 | Wyzard | ohayo! |
| 01:10.50 | Wyzard | abrotman: Hawaii and hydroxide perhaps? |
| 01:11.04 | abrotman | uhm .. Ohio ? |
| 01:11.45 | karsten | abrotman: It's the new rage. |
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| 01:11.57 | abrotman | Ohio is? |
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| 01:12.26 | karsten | abrotman: You *didn't* get the memo? |
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| 01:12.59 | abrotman | karsten: i've been there .. it's not exciting |
| 01:13.12 | karsten | abrotman: EINSUFFICIENTHALLUCINOGENS |
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| 01:14.02 | abrotman | karsten: yeah .. i have this thing about states that call it a river and it's only two feet wide |
| 01:14.27 | jberg_ | my computer turned itself off earlier because of overheating or something. in /etc/fstab it now says /dev/md0 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 is that correct? shouldnt it say defaults or something? |
| 01:15.29 | jberg_ | does it mean i have to remount read only to fix anything? |
| 01:15.37 | LeonardoESBR | Hi! Do anyone know what is the package that contain "start-stop-daemon"? |
| 01:15.44 | jberg_ | (my computer seems to be working fine though) |
| 01:16.27 | karsten | jberg_: No, your root FS is mounted with 'errors=remount-ro' |
| 01:16.48 | gordboy | jberg_: just click your heels together 3 times and say "there's no place like $HOME" |
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| 01:16.58 | karsten | jberg_: That allows your root filesystem to be remounted read-only in the event fo any filesystem errors. You still have access to root FS, but you're not going to damage it (with luck). |
| 01:17.06 | karsten | jberg_: man mount |
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| 01:17.28 | karsten | jberg_: Other options are "continue" or "panic". |
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| 01:17.41 | jberg_ | hm okay |
| 01:17.43 | karsten | always advises "Don't Panic", in large, friendly letters. |
| 01:18.21 | LeonardoESBR | Hi! What is the package that contain the "start-stop-daemon"? Is possible install it with aptitude? |
| 01:18.32 | karsten | !tell LeonardoESBR about search |
| 01:18.38 | karsten | LeonardoESBR: I suspect sysvinit, however. |
| 01:19.53 | karsten | LeonardoESBR: dpkg, actually. |
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| 01:23.47 | LeonardoESBR | karsten: thanks! i wouldn't find by start-stop-daemon in sysvinit. |
| 01:23.50 | noisesmith | what is the right way to change my machine's hostname? I changed /etc/hostname, but programs like sudo complain now |
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| 01:24.24 | karsten | LeonardoESBR: 'dpkg -S /sbin/start-stop-daemon' turned it up. As likely would have 'auto-apt search start-stop-daemon' |
| 01:24.43 | karsten | noisesmith: In sheep's blood, at midnight. |
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| 01:25.05 | karsten | noisesmith: ... or edit /etc/hostname and re-run /etc/init.d/hostname |
| 01:25.20 | noisesmith | karsten: doesn't that get run at boot? |
| 01:25.27 | karsten | noisesmith: Frequently. |
| 01:25.42 | noisesmith | karsten: that did not fix it |
| 01:25.57 | karsten | noisesmith: You may want to shutdown to single-user mode and go back to multi-user, as some logging processes will retain the old name. |
| 01:26.03 | karsten | noisesmith: As determined how? |
| 01:26.06 | craigevil | noisesmith: hostname newname |
| 01:26.09 | craigevil | as root |
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| 01:26.25 | noisesmith | karsten: I changed my hostname 10 reboots ago in /etc/hostname |
| 01:26.27 | karsten | craigevil: /etc/init.d/hostname.sh should do that. |
| 01:26.34 | karsten | noisesmith: ... and? |
| 01:27.00 | noisesmith | karsten: sudo complains "sudo: unable to resolve host isometric" |
| 01:27.16 | jberg_ | btw enouf if you're there. i cleaned up the old thermal paste and applied a new thin layer. so far so good (over 2 hours), so thanks for the advice, hope it keeps it cool for forever :) |
| 01:27.46 | Ryan52 | noisesmith: edit /etc/hosts |
| 01:27.56 | karsten | noisesmith: Check /etc/hosts as well. |
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| 01:28.02 | noisesmith | Ryan52: thanks |
| 01:28.08 | enouf | jberg_: good to hear ;-) |
| 01:28.09 | karsten | noisesmith: Your old hostname may be there. |
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| 01:29.50 | noisesmith | karsten, Ryan52: yeah it was /etc/hosts, thanks for the help |
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| 01:31.07 | karsten | noisesmith: NP |
| 01:32.16 | noisesmith | next question: it is mostly aesthetic, but how do I change the name of eth1 to wlan0? |
| 01:33.11 | amphi | udev, I believe |
| 01:33.32 | magyar | hi, Lenny had a kdelibs update now some apps are not launching. I get errors of kdeinit failed |
| 01:33.35 | karsten | noisesmith: In sheep's blood, at midnight.... |
| 01:33.38 | karsten | ;) |
| 01:33.52 | noisesmith | udev it is, thanks amphi |
| 01:33.54 | abrotman | karsten: that'd be funny if you were joking |
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| 01:33.58 | karsten | noisesmith: There's a utility to mangle network device names as well, though I'm not sure that that applies to your question. |
| 01:34.22 | karsten | abrotman: I have no sense of humor. |
| 01:34.26 | karsten | abrotman: Ergo: I'm never joking. |
| 01:34.31 | abrotman | karsten: i think she got that in the settlement :( |
| 01:34.52 | karsten | abrotman: Hush, puppy, or I'll give you her phone number. |
| 01:35.22 | abrotman | karsten: i think you mean give her mine :) |
| 01:35.32 | karsten | abrotman: Nope, can't do that. |
| 01:35.41 | abrotman | oh .. i forgot |
| 01:35.56 | noisesmith | karsten: my fingers are used to typing wlan0, and the name is more informative if I am kind of out of it and forgetting what the devices are on this particular machine |
| 01:35.58 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah. Hopefully we'll clear that little technicality up shortly. |
| 01:36.07 | abrotman | why? you want to hang with her? |
| 01:36.16 | abrotman | wait .. why am i talking about this here |
| 01:36.28 | karsten | noisesmith: Yeah, I understand, just not sure of the specific method for accomplishing same. |
| 01:36.32 | karsten | abrotman: Precisely. |
| 01:38.18 | noisesmith | reboot says: udev: renamed device eth1 to wlan0 |
| 01:38.20 | noisesmith | WOOT |
| 01:38.27 | noisesmith | thanks amphi |
| 01:38.40 | amphi | bitte |
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| 01:41.12 | noisesmith | ok, since I am on a role with finding answers here: what program(s) would I use to figure out why ssh and http protocols are hanging/stalling on one of my machines over wireless (same machine is just fine over cat5, but it is a laptop) |
| 01:41.32 | noisesmith | is there some trick with wireshark or netcat that could get me started? |
| 01:41.39 | Ryan52 | noisesmith: do "ssh -vvv some_machine" |
| 01:41.49 | jberg_ | enouf: btw, theres a "drive in" time for paste right? should i let my pc stay up as long as possible or turn it off when i dont need it? |
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| 01:42.07 | beardy | noisesmith: wireshark, netcat, what Ryan52 said is the right end to start. |
| 01:42.10 | lagbolt | anyone have any trouble with gdmflexiserver? it spawns a nice login screen then when i log in it just exits back. like the session just quits. anyone seen this before? |
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| 01:43.08 | karsten | noisesmith: In general: find out if you've got an end-to-end TCP connection. Run the protocol in its verbose mode. If you can't sort it out from the client end, try looking at debug output on the server side as well (this presumes some way of getting to the server). |
| 01:43.14 | blahdeblah-lap | Hi. I installed the cacti 0.8.6i-3.3 security update this morning, and now when i try to login to cacti, i get this: "Invalid PHP_SELF Path" on an otherwise empty black on white screen. What could the problem be? |
| 01:43.50 | lagbolt | never mind :) fixed it |
| 01:44.10 | karsten | blahdeblah-lap: Your apache or apache2 config? |
| 01:44.30 | noisesmith | looks like "/usr/sbin/sshd -v -v -v" on one end, plus "ssh -vvv" on the other will do what I want |
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| 01:44.37 | karsten | noisesmith: You _can_ do protocol sniffing w/ wireshark, though I'd do that _after_ trying to sort through debug output. |
| 01:44.40 | blahdeblah-lap | karsten: I didn't change anything - would the upgrade have moved something aside? |
| 01:44.53 | amphi | noisesmith: what card is it? |
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| 01:45.02 | karsten | noisesmith: Yeah. I tend to like running sshd in non-daemon mode for one shot while doing that. |
| 01:45.11 | noisesmith | amphi: airport on an ibook g3 |
| 01:45.14 | karsten | blahdeblah-lap: That would be the presumption. |
| 01:45.31 | karsten | blahdeblah-lap: The error comes, I think, from apache. Check your server errorlogs. |
| 01:45.53 | amphi | noisesmith: oh, I know nothing about those; if it had been intel, I would have suspected endless firmware restarts |
| 01:46.18 | noisesmith | amphi: I connect to some base-stations and everything works, the other ones (like here at my sister's house) lag certain protocols horribly (while other linux machines work fine) |
| 01:47.02 | amphi | noisesmith: I've heard some cards don't like some APs, but I've not seen it myself |
| 01:47.08 | noisesmith | amphi: boggles the mind, streaming 192kbps mp3 works fine, but google.com times out |
| 01:47.10 | blahdeblah-lap | karsten: Only error there is that favicon is not found. |
| 01:47.46 | karsten | blahdeblah-lap: Might try joining #cacti and asking there. I've managed to get it installed and configured myself, though I'm no expert. |
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| 01:47.58 | blahdeblah-lap | karsten: OK - will do |
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| 01:49.54 | lkthomas | LOL |
| 01:49.58 | lkthomas | freaking authmysqlrc |
| 01:50.05 | lkthomas | very picky on spacing |
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| 01:52.49 | XrMb2 | how can one set the correct date after editint /etc/timezone ? |
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| 01:53.05 | blahdeblah-lap | karsten: Looks like it's a known problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=479618 |
| 01:53.10 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 01:53.11 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 01:54.15 | XrMb2 | eh, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, thank you |
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| 01:56.24 | karsten | blahdeblah-lap: Thanks. |
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| 01:58.05 | blahdeblah-lap | dondelelcaro: ... and truly enlightened NTP users will first read Sun's best-ever NTP documentation (see references at http://linuxman.wikispaces.com/NTP) |
| 01:58.17 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah-lap: there's no need to, actually. |
| 01:58.21 | noisesmith | amphi: it looks like it is not the card at all, when I started ssh on port 222 instead of 22 (for debugging) everything worked fine |
| 01:58.45 | noisesmith | *sshd that is |
| 01:58.49 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah-lap: since Debian configures ntp.conf correctly for the most trivial usage cases |
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| 01:59.13 | magyar | hi, i cant launch most of the applications on Lenny KDE, I get kdeinit errors, anyone else has these issues? |
| 01:59.42 | blahdeblah-lap | dondelelcaro: True, the default config is pretty good now, but so many people who configure NTP don't understand it, and we're talking about "truly enlightened NTP users" here... ;-) |
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| 02:01.06 | elif | Hi, I installed apache-perl and I'm trying to set it for twiki, I copy and paste some config files and apache-perl is claiming about the line with directive: |
| 02:01.06 | elif | PerlSwitches -T |
| 02:01.30 | elif | PerlResponseHandler |
| 02:01.39 | elif | PerlOptions |
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| 02:01.59 | elif | it says it is invalids |
| 02:02.25 | elif | but that is real VALID directives... what could be ? |
| 02:03.41 | Number9 | i have a rather involved question about user id's and groups--anyone knwoledgeable about that willing to talk to me in pm about it? |
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| 02:05.01 | enouf | jberg_: it'll be fine whether you leave it on, or turn it off, you're thinking more of a cpu 'burn in' phase, but that's not your case |
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| 02:07.11 | kiiwii | Hi,all. I am new to debian. Now I have made a source program to binary, and want to pack into a debian package. but I don |
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| 02:07.36 | abrotman | !nmg |
| 02:07.37 | dpkg | nmg is probably Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/, or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
| 02:07.54 | enouf | jberg_: since you have now correctly applied the thermal paste, all should be well - you can use utils (lm-sensors) to monitor system temps, and various gui applets to help watch, if needed (conky, gkrellm) |
| 02:08.41 | kiiwii | I do not know what is the name of "Debian packaging tools " to apt-get install. would somebody tell me ? |
| 02:08.51 | enouf | build-essential |
| 02:08.56 | enouf | !build |
| 02:08.56 | dpkg | http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/1/dpkg-buildpackage.html |
| 02:08.59 | enouf | gah |
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| 02:09.03 | enouf | !source |
| 02:09.04 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. As root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. As any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
| 02:09.38 | enouf | dammit - where's the one that says, "if you want to build shit in debian ... " ? :-P |
| 02:10.25 | mrcheeks | I would like openjdk source to be in debian but that's just me, I tried to build it on amd64, complete failure |
| 02:10.55 | enouf | yeah, it is just you :-) |
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| 02:12.48 | mrcheeks | enouf: that's what I thought :p |
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| 02:13.49 | elif | Hi is apache-perl broken in debian testing ? |
| 02:14.08 | enouf | check the BTS ? |
| 02:14.18 | mrcheeks | I had one homie in #java saying that once a guy entered the channel and started talking to the bot. He didn't know it was a bot and He felt that the bot was a rude person :p |
| 02:14.21 | mrcheeks | ~dpkg |
| 02:14.21 | apt | somebody said dpkg was a bot, or the low-level command to install and manipulate Debian package files (.debs). |
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| 02:15.06 | mrcheeks | ~help |
| 02:15.16 | elif | apache-perl is not recognizing valid directives of mod_perl... so should be broken somehow. |
| 02:15.21 | jberg_ | enouf: ah ok. now i've apt-get lm-sensors, how do i use it? no man page for lm-sensors |
| 02:15.40 | enouf | jberg_: dpkg -L <pkgname> .. find docs |
| 02:15.45 | kiiwii | dpkg, thanks for your helping me :) the problem is that , i have already "make" the program. and now want to pack it to be a *.deb. did i describe my problem to the point ? |
| 02:15.46 | dpkg | kiiwii: no problem |
| 02:16.01 | enouf | haha |
| 02:16.26 | jberg_ | enouf: ah thanks |
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| 02:17.18 | abrotman | !tell kiiwii about mg |
| 02:17.27 | abrotman | !tell kiiwii about package basics |
| 02:17.35 | abrotman | kiiwii: dpkg is our channel bot |
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| 02:17.44 | enouf | kiiwii: building a deb is fairly straight forward when using debian sources - you really need to read a bit, do "/msg dpkg <any-of-those-keywords-mentioned>" , visit #debian-mentors , etc etc |
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| 02:17.56 | kiiwii | actually, i am try to make " wireshark 1.0.0" then "make debian-package"...so appeared"Error: debian packaging tools not found"... |
| 02:17.59 | IndyGunFreak | which ISO do I download for a Gnome Live CD? |
| 02:18.04 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 02:18.05 | dpkg | it has been said that livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 02:18.17 | Ryan52 | kiiwii: he means debian-mentors on the oftc irc network |
| 02:18.34 | enouf | oops, yeah, i forgot it's there, not here |
| 02:19.36 | enouf | kiiwii: irc.debian.org , (or irc.oftc.net) , then /join #debian-mentors |
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| 02:20.27 | kiiwii | ...-_-bb seems I am too naive to ask such a question and did make the problem clear... |
| 02:21.02 | Miesco | Is there a dictionary program for linux that does not use a server |
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| 02:21.16 | noisesmith | Miesco: aspell |
| 02:21.27 | noisesmith | Miesco: kind of |
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| 02:23.04 | noisesmith | Miesco: do you need a spelling dictionary, or a definition dictionary? for definitions wordnet is nifty once you figure it out |
| 02:23.23 | Miesco | noisesmith: Okay |
| 02:23.39 | noisesmith | Miesco: aspell is for spelling only |
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| 02:23.59 | Miesco | Okay |
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| 02:25.45 | dondelelcaro | Miesco: you can just install dict and dictd with dict-gcide dict-web1913 et al. |
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| 02:26.11 | noisesmith | dondelelcaro: is dict usable without the dictd demon? |
| 02:26.19 | dondelelcaro | noisesmith: if you've got network, sure. |
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| 02:28.25 | palomer | alsa-init: playback open error: Device or resource busy |
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| 02:29.07 | enouf | as root/sudo ; lsof | egrep 'arts|esd' and start killing crap |
| 02:29.13 | noisesmith | palomer: somone is hogging your sound card, kill the offending app (and maybe install some sound server that all your apps play nicely with, or get dmix working, or jackd, etc.) |
| 02:29.38 | enouf | confesses, it it i ! |
| 02:29.45 | enouf | er, it is* |
| 02:29.54 | abrotman | you're using the sound card? |
| 02:30.05 | enouf | no, i'm hogging it ;-) |
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| 02:31.21 | noisesmith | if I could magically make two things sane in the linux kernel it would be software audio mixing and memory allocation |
| 02:31.53 | enouf | how about we just make vendors make decent friggin sound cards? ;-P |
| 02:32.07 | abrotman | or at least use an open base spec |
| 02:32.13 | enouf | half the load of work now ;-) |
| 02:32.19 | Ryan52 | noisesmith: whats wrong with the memory allocation? |
| 02:32.49 | noisesmith | Ryan52: default behaviour is overcommit, and that is compensated for with random killing of processes if memory runs out |
| 02:32.54 | \amethyst | noisesmith: what's wrong with dmix in alsa? |
| 02:33.22 | noisesmith | \amethyst: most apps don't use it, because it took to long before it came out |
| 02:33.34 | enouf | noisesmith: it's just manifesting as such b/c of too many misbehaving applications ;-) |
| 02:33.35 | abrotman | okay |
| 02:33.40 | noisesmith | don't get me wrong, I have been 100% linux for a decade, these are my little gripes |
| 02:33.43 | \amethyst | noisesmith: don't use ALSA you mean? |
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| 02:34.06 | noisesmith | \amethyst: don't use alsa in such a way that they can be migrated to dmix |
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| 02:34.51 | noisesmith | \amethyst: dmix is a different api (slightly) from regular raw alsa device, so not every alsa app can be made to use dmix readily |
| 02:35.31 | noisesmith | otherwise, nobody would ever have to worry about what app is hogging their sound card, because dmix would just work |
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| 02:35.38 | \amethyst | noisesmith: hm, that might explain why some games don't give me sound (using slave.pcm "dmix") |
| 02:35.48 | noisesmith | \amethyst: yes |
| 02:35.58 | \amethyst | noisesmith: however, most programs I use do work |
| 02:36.05 | \amethyst | noisesmith: (under aoss in some cases) |
| 02:36.12 | enouf | what's dsnoop then? .. nm, i'll go read up ... again |
| 02:36.15 | noisesmith | \amethyst: the lower level the app, or the more they were pushing for performance, the more likey dmix breaks them |
| 02:36.21 | HELLOF | hmm, debian installed perfectly on the vm when i used the .iso off the harddrive |
| 02:36.25 | \amethyst | noisesmith: makes sense |
| 02:37.00 | noisesmith | \amethyst: and of course games tend to use low level performance tricks |
| 02:37.19 | sycle | webPragmatist: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.usa.msu.edu etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.usa.msu.edu_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory <--- anyone know the right hostname? |
| 02:37.22 | sycle | err |
| 02:37.40 | enouf | sycle: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 02:37.51 | sycle | /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 02:37.53 | sycle | shit |
| 02:38.22 | HELLOF | speaking of games, i always wanted to know something: if i run xp in debian (and i have an 8600gt) and play a 3d game, what usually happens? |
| 02:39.08 | HELLOF | well that was badly worded, i wanted to know if directx worked inside of virtual machines (or not) |
| 02:39.23 | enouf | sycle: and just in case, "/msg dpkg sources.list" |
| 02:39.43 | enouf | HELLOF: i think not |
| 02:40.04 | HELLOF | ok, that's pretty bad |
| 02:40.39 | noisesmith | HELLOF: if you found an emulator with opengl support it should work? I think? |
| 02:40.41 | enouf | HELLOF: mainly because VMs cannot allow access to DMA (which is needed for hardware acceleration), not to mention, many would try using both (host) and (client) at the same time ;-) |
| 02:40.59 | noisesmith | HELLOF: but the performance would be well below what the machine should be capable of of course |
| 02:41.05 | enouf | s/cannot/should not/g |
| 02:41.25 | HELLOF | well, i have a spare 40gb, so i guess i'll put it on that |
| 02:41.34 | enouf | \o/ |
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| 02:45.33 | akio | hello |
| 02:46.11 | enouf | HELLOF: supposedly, the best possible performance should come from a combination of 3 things, a) a CPU with Hardware VT tech (AMD-V, Intel-VT), b) KVM (and/or) c) qemu -- though i think qemu is only needed/required if hardware VT isn't available |
| 02:46.17 | akio | im trying to figure out how to get a 1280x800 resolution in text/console mode from bootup |
| 02:46.31 | akio | i have vbetool |
| 02:47.00 | enouf | much of which (kvm/gemu/container implementations) is still in experimental stages |
| 02:47.05 | akio | but so far i have to reboot after using it becuase i screw up the screen becuase i don't know what i'm doing |
| 02:47.41 | enouf | hrm, laptop? have you tried just a vga=NNN line ? |
| 02:47.44 | akio | in menu.list there is a defopts= line that i see other people using to set the vga mode |
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| 02:47.47 | HELLOF | i can't wait until we get to the point where virtualization is seamless and you get to use all the native technologies |
| 02:48.05 | akio | but i don't know if that works since i have a wxga screen |
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| 02:48.07 | enouf | HELLOF: well, in some *nix systems, it's already there |
| 02:48.07 | HELLOF | well thanks for the additional info |
| 02:48.22 | akio | what does NNN do? |
| 02:48.30 | enouf | IINM, HP-UX, maybe AIX, and maybe some Sun things |
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| 02:48.47 | enouf | akio: my line contains vga=791 |
| 02:48.53 | enouf | akio: 3 Numbers |
| 02:49.00 | akio | isn't that 1280x1024? |
| 02:49.10 | enouf | 791 == 1024x768@16 bits |
| 02:49.24 | akio | so there is no way to get an wxga mode? |
| 02:49.35 | Ryan52 | it doesnt look like there is one for 1280x800... |
| 02:49.38 | enouf | akio: see http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html |
| 02:49.47 | akio | when i boot knoppix its framebuffer uses all the resolution in text mode |
| 02:49.54 | enouf | akio: does it have to be exactly that? |
| 02:50.15 | sycle | http://pastebin.com/d7e0245e <-- any clues? |
| 02:50.17 | akio | im in text mode right now and i don't know how to copy that link in finch |
| 02:50.20 | akio | brb |
| 02:50.23 | enouf | akio: perhaps you need/want your video cards' framebuffer support |
| 02:50.36 | akio | its an intel 945gm |
| 02:50.44 | akio | should be simple |
| 02:50.51 | akio | but im clueless really |
| 02:51.03 | noisesmith | sycle: is debconf running? |
| 02:51.17 | enouf | well, i don't get to play with much high lowend crap ;-) |
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| 02:53.38 | enouf | well, here's some general info for the 945gm, http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/fb/intelfb.txt ..i wonder if knoppix loads that module (or it's perhaps compiled into the kernel) |
| 02:53.50 | sycle | noisesmith, no idea its semi-fresh install |
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| 02:54.23 | noisesmith | sycle: care to put the output of "ps aux" in pastebin? |
| 02:54.24 | akio | im using the latest sid kernel |
| 02:54.26 | enouf | sycle: is that Debian? and which media/release did you use? |
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| 02:58.01 | akio | how do i add that module to boot list? |
| 02:58.09 | simonrvn | is that like a semi-fresh turd? ;p |
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| 02:58.24 | simonrvn | /etc/modules ... |
| 02:58.29 | akio | ? |
| 02:58.32 | akio | turd? |
| 02:58.42 | akio | i thought it was spelled terd |
| 02:58.50 | akio | terdface |
| 02:58.58 | simonrvn | you thought wrong |
| 02:59.07 | akio | brb |
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| 03:00.20 | anarcat | hello |
| 03:00.56 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 03:01.30 | anarcat | i'm having *weird* issues on lenny since last night's upgrade |
| 03:01.47 | anarcat | i can't single-click anymore, everything is a double-click :) |
| 03:01.56 | noisesmith | anarcat: wow, that is weird |
| 03:02.19 | anarcat | sounds like a X11 issue, that upgrade did a xorg upgrade |
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| 03:02.45 | noisesmith | anarcat: lenny/sid here, on ppc, up to date and no such issue |
| 03:02.53 | anarcat | ouch |
| 03:02.55 | amphi | anarcat: that's a known bug |
| 03:03.05 | anarcat | amphi: ah-AH! #? |
| 03:03.30 | amphi | anarcat: the solution is, IIRC, to use CorePointer instead of SendCoreEvents or some such |
| 03:04.00 | anarcat | amphi: interesting |
| 03:04.01 | amphi | anarcat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474278 |
| 03:04.07 | anarcat | the weird thing is that i didn't modify my xorg.conf |
| 03:04.12 | anarcat | oh, thanks! checking |
| 03:04.24 | amphi | no, xorg has changed, it seems |
| 03:04.30 | anarcat | i see |
| 03:05.04 | anarcat | i was looking through http://wiki.debian.org/OngoingTransitions |
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| 03:05.37 | amphi | the page won't load for me here :( |
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| 03:06.00 | anarcat | the wiki page? |
| 03:06.01 | amphi | anarcat: < Nemoder> enabling the CorePointer option fixed it |
| 03:06.06 | anarcat | it's really slow |
| 03:06.08 | hedos | Hello. When I 'su', bash displays the machine hostname at the prompt, i.e. "machine_name:/home/hedos#". Is it possible to make it says "root" instead of "machine_name"? |
| 03:06.16 | sycle | noise, this? root 19721 0.0 0.4 11088 8444 pts/2 S May02 0:00 /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst upgrade 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch |
| 03:06.18 | anarcat | the bts is also very slow to me |
| 03:06.32 | amphi | anarcat: that's someone who had the problem before, & found the bug report |
| 03:07.22 | the_plumber | to delete .ini files recusively? find | grep -i \\.ini | someargvprog "rm $" |
| 03:07.45 | the_plumber | how would i do that? |
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| 03:08.23 | amphi | a lot of people seem to be having this mouse problem, perhaps something for /topic ? |
| 03:08.44 | harryv | in iptables: "-A INPUT -p TCP --dport 25 -j ACCEPT |
| 03:08.56 | harryv | should be sufficient for smtp, no?! |
| 03:09.29 | harryv | or, just open that port |
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| 03:09.33 | hedos | apt-get gives me a "couldn't stat source package" when I add "non-free" to my mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list. What's wrong? Do some mirrors don't host non-free packages? |
| 03:09.39 | harryv | root@annakarina:~# netstat -anp|grep 25 |
| 03:09.40 | harryv | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 16977/master |
| 03:09.53 | harryv | connects fine from localhost, but from the outside i can't get any connection |
| 03:10.02 | anarcat | amphi: would sure be faq-material imho, maybe even in some etch -> migration docs... |
| 03:10.12 | sycle | noisesmith see my response? |
| 03:10.14 | Tramp | the_plumber: check the -exec(dir) option for find |
| 03:10.34 | sycle | it looks like theres some sort of upgrade instance running |
| 03:10.34 | the_plumber | Tramp: find . -name CVS -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 03:10.36 | the_plumber | like so? |
| 03:10.41 | Tramp | the_plumber: and -name, while you're at it |
| 03:10.48 | the_plumber | got it |
| 03:11.05 | noisesmith | sycle: sorry, my client does not highlight abbreviations of my name :) yeah, other installs won't work until that process is done |
| 03:11.23 | noisesmith | sycle: it is probably waiting for your input in a terminal somewhere? |
| 03:11.24 | the_plumber | what if i wanted to make a dir's files 755 but i wanted to make the dir's 777? what to do to do this recursively? |
| 03:11.56 | the_plumber | chmod -R 777 /directory <----- would make the dirs and everything else 777 |
| 03:12.15 | sycle | noise, nah |
| 03:12.20 | noisesmith | s/other installs/further debconf configuration/ |
| 03:12.26 | sycle | i didnt start it |
| 03:12.44 | Tramp | the_plumber: check the -type option for find as well |
| 03:12.54 | the_plumber | tramp: ty |
| 03:13.18 | the_plumber | i know theres an arv operator program somewhere in the bin dir |
| 03:13.27 | the_plumber | arv/argv |
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| 03:13.29 | noisesmith | sycle: I didn't say you started it, just that debconf won't run until it finishes, and it may be waiting on your input... try ctrl+alt+f1 ctrl+alt+f2 etc to see where it is running |
| 03:13.45 | sycle | im not local |
| 03:14.14 | anarcat | amphi: so messing around with my xorg.conf fixed it, but this is definitly something that should show up at least in NEWS |
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| 03:14.28 | anarcat | and now the mouse is slooooow :) |
| 03:14.33 | Tramp | harryv: the iptables rule you gave does not cover the outgoing packets, only the incoming. Either cater for them or use stateful matching |
| 03:14.53 | amphi | anarcat: xset will fix that ;) |
| 03:14.59 | harryv | Tramp: all outgoing is accepted. |
| 03:15.00 | enouf | hedos: ran apt-get update after altering sources.list? |
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| 03:15.06 | noisesmith | sycle: oh, remote install? well you could force kill that debconf and do a reconfigure later? dunno how bad it would break things |
| 03:15.09 | harryv | telnet: connect to address 67.207.147.205: Connection refused |
| 03:15.32 | hedos | enouf, that's it, thanks. |
| 03:15.54 | noisesmith | sycle: for all I know there is some magic way to attach yourself to that tty, but that is over my head |
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| 03:16.04 | hedos | enouf (and it was actually in the error message ...) |
| 03:16.45 | INternat | with hotkeys(1), anyone happen to know how to work with VolUp/VolDown, since it keeps changing the front channel rather then the master? |
| 03:17.16 | sycle | i killed it and reran |
| 03:17.20 | sycle | it seemed to work |
| 03:17.39 | noisesmith | sycle: cool |
| 03:17.46 | Tramp | harryv: 212.152.0.1 sends an ICMP prohibited message. Probably your provider blocks that port |
| 03:18.19 | Tramp | harryv: uh. Sorry. that's my provider 8) |
| 03:18.28 | harryv | i doubt slicehos t would do that |
| 03:18.29 | harryv | ah. heh |
| 03:18.37 | anarcat | amphi: actually, i'm not sure: putting maximum sensitivity in the gnome control panel doesn't work, so i guess that xset won,t either |
| 03:19.01 | Tramp | harryv: Sorry, as you see, I cannot help in debugging this. tcpdump on your server, then connect. |
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| 03:20.14 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 03:20.25 | lkthomas | where can I get the latest version of clamav deb binary ? |
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| 03:23.06 | markybob | !tell lkthomas about volatile |
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| 03:23.14 | markybob | lkthomas that might be what you're looking for |
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| 03:26.30 | amphi | anarcat: I wot not of gnome, so I wouldn't trust it, myself ;) |
| 03:27.13 | anarcat | amphi: i see... how do you make your xset settings persist through logout? |
| 03:27.31 | lkthomas | thanks |
| 03:27.51 | zxcv | anarcat: Just put them in your .xinitrc or .xsession file. |
| 03:28.17 | anarcat | zxcv: just what i though, ok |
| 03:28.42 | noisesmith | anarcat: for a slow mouse there are two issues: the acceleration and the resolution, the resolution is a translator of "this many units of the mouse = that many pixels", the accelerations is "if moving faster than x, multiply pixels traversed by y" |
| 03:28.46 | zxcv | Unless you can find a way to set those settings through the xorg.conf or whatever the X configuration file is. |
| 03:28.58 | noisesmith | anarcat: both are seperately configurable, but many frontends only control one or the other |
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| 03:29.19 | anarcat | noisesmith: interesting. |
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| 03:29.29 | amphi | anarcat: I don't use a gui login; such stuff I just put in ~/.xsession |
| 03:30.00 | anarcat | k |
| 03:30.03 | noisesmith | amphi: me neither, but .xsession is an option in gdm, and xdm, if you create the file |
| 03:30.35 | noisesmith | amphi: I think one needs to set the executable bit on the file (as of a few years ago when I last used gdm at least) |
| 03:30.41 | anarcat | noisesmith: does xset allow to control both (it seems to just set the acceleration) |
| 03:30.57 | noisesmith | anarcat: let me refresh my memory |
| 03:31.06 | amphi | noisesmith: not for startx - perhaps for ?dm |
| 03:31.19 | anarcat | noisesmith: from the manpage, it sure looks like it talks about acceleration |
| 03:31.25 | noisesmith | amphi: I always ln -s .xinitrc .xsession |
| 03:31.52 | anarcat | noisesmith: i used to do that too, back when i was configuring my wm and everything "by hand" |
| 03:32.00 | amphi | I have no ~/.xinitrc here |
| 03:32.02 | anarcat | i grew tired of that and just got used to the default thingy |
| 03:32.08 | anarcat | (being gnome under debian) |
| 03:32.23 | anarcat | not that i particularly like gnome, but it's there and requires close to no work on my part |
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| 03:32.47 | the_plumber | Tramp: ahhh found it |
| 03:33.02 | the_plumber | Tramp: xargs was the program i was looking for |
| 03:33.07 | noisesmith | anarcat: in the xorg.conf, section inputdevice for the mouse you want configured: option "resolution" "1600" |
| 03:33.17 | amphi | my panel is low res., I have no room for all those panels and wotnot ;) |
| 03:33.21 | noisesmith | anarcat: the cool thing with that is you can hand tune seperate mice |
| 03:33.33 | anarcat | noisesmith: coool! |
| 03:33.49 | anarcat | noisesmith: where are those obscure settings documented anyways?? i couldn't find that in xorg.conf manpage |
| 03:33.50 | Tramp | the_plumber: what can xargs do what -exec can't? |
| 03:33.54 | anarcat | *the |
| 03:33.57 | noisesmith | oops, make that "Option" with a capitol O |
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| 03:34.32 | noisesmith | anarcat: man xorg.conf works for me |
| 03:34.41 | anarcat | really |
| 03:35.04 | noisesmith | anarcat: but oddly that option is not documented in the man page! |
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| 03:35.14 | anarcat | noisesmith: exactly my point :) |
| 03:35.24 | anarcat | a lot of Option are missing in there |
| 03:35.27 | the_plumber | Tramp: i dont know :-) |
| 03:35.31 | anarcat | and that's too bad |
| 03:36.37 | noisesmith | anarcat: the reason I know this is I do computer music, and I wrote a program that reads the /dev/input/* devices so each of the eight mice plugged into my laptop controls eight knobs, and only one of them moves my mouse. Needless to say I had to learn alot about mice to write this program. |
| 03:36.44 | catsup | Tramp: xargs doesn't do what exec does, xargs calls one process with multiple args |
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| 03:36.58 | anarcat | noisesmith: wow, very cool :) |
| 03:37.07 | noisesmith | anarcat: mind you that makes a total of 64 knobs, more than I know how to use at the moment :) |
| 03:37.08 | anarcat | noisesmith: what software do you use? |
| 03:37.16 | Tramp | catsup: exec has a "+" extension |
| 03:37.17 | nevyn | noisesmith: surely with 8 mice you could do 16 knobs |
| 03:37.22 | amphi | noisesmith: eight mice plugged into your laptop? heheh |
| 03:37.34 | anarcat | that's insane :) |
| 03:37.37 | noisesmith | nevyn: chording * x * y |
| 03:37.59 | noisesmith | nevyn: so eight usable knobs per mouse |
| 03:38.02 | catsup | Tramp: well, that does what xargs does. although xargs doesn't need to receive input from find. |
| 03:38.22 | nevyn | noisesmith: sweet. |
| 03:38.37 | Tramp | catsup: well, I was talking to the_plumber in the context of find |
| 03:38.40 | anarcat | can only count 6 "knobs" on his mouse, not counting buttons |
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| 03:38.49 | anarcat | (up/down/mouse wheel * 2) |
| 03:38.57 | Tramp | catsup: you may have missed that part 8) |
| 03:39.03 | catsup | i did, but anyway-- |
| 03:39.08 | catsup | that + thing must be a gnu extension |
| 03:39.11 | nevyn | anarcat: up down left right == 2 axis + chord the mouse buttons to switch 3 buttons == 8 states |
| 03:39.15 | nevyn | 8x2 == 16 |
| 03:39.23 | noisesmith | (left|right|left+right|none)*x*y is 12 |
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| 03:39.34 | noisesmith | not counting scroll weel and extra knobs |
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| 03:39.50 | jhanssen | HI guys... good evening.... |
| 03:39.52 | noisesmith | but only 8 usable in a performance scenario |
| 03:40.03 | anarcat | whoa |
| 03:40.29 | noisesmith | errm make that 16 but only 8 usable |
| 03:40.42 | Tramp | catsup: imho, there is no reason to suggest the weird "| xargs ..." syntax anymore (given the print0/-0 requirement which "helpful people" sometimes forget). That was my only point. |
| 03:40.48 | jhanssen | I would like to know if is there anyone facing issues with Skype ? like, I can hear my own voice on my phone but I can not hear on my skype call test service |
| 03:41.29 | jhanssen | I am using debian lenny... |
| 03:41.34 | anarcat | i've been facing the same major issue with skype over and over again: it's a proprietary application that might be full of backdoors because it's designed like a trojan |
| 03:41.48 | jhanssen | dammmmmmm |
| 03:42.15 | noisesmith | anarcat: by the way, the software is mostly pd and csound, the mouse reading was a small daemon written in c sending OSC messages |
| 03:42.18 | jhanssen | and do you know anyother software that allow us to call US toll free numbers ? |
| 03:42.32 | anarcat | noisesmith: csound eh :) i thought that was dead... |
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| 03:43.12 | anarcat | jhanssen: free world dialup used to do that, but any SIP/IAX provider will offer that, and then you can use open source applications like ekiga to connect calls |
| 03:43.47 | noisesmith | anarcat: far from it, just recently they made a package so that you can use csound as a ladspa or dssi plugin, it now has opcodes to create an fltk gui, and you can embed python in your code, so it is very much alive, which is scary since it is based on musicV which is from like the '60s |
| 03:44.07 | anarcat | noisesmith: definitly scary :) |
| 03:44.12 | jhanssen | I know ekiga, but I am living in Brazil and would like to use, I dont know if with Ekiga could I dial toll free numbers.... |
| 03:44.52 | noisesmith | anarcat: you know you are dealing with ancient software when they designed its syntax to be as much like assembler macros as possible |
| 03:44.59 | the_plumber | ty |
| 03:45.07 | anarcat | noisesmith: probably why i never got the damn thing to work :) |
| 03:45.23 | lkthomas | hey guys, how could I add a ftp user without allow it to access shell ? |
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| 03:45.24 | anarcat | noisesmith: i like to keep my artistic and programming activities seperate, for the sake of my mind :) |
| 03:45.42 | nevyn | anarcat: you don't think programming is artistic? |
| 03:45.53 | anarcat | nevyn: don't get me started :) |
| 03:46.17 | anarcat | nevyn: let's call it "work" then |
| 03:46.27 | anarcat | music is programming anyways, when you get down to it... |
| 03:46.32 | anarcat | my point is |
| 03:46.35 | jhanssen | anarcat, another question why audacity has the same bug ? |
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| 03:46.40 | noisesmith | anarcat: programming the soul! |
| 03:46.42 | anarcat | music is a way to get away from the computer and relax a bit |
| 03:46.43 | jhanssen | it's a free software so far as I know.. |
| 03:47.07 | ViViViPirePengy | hey if i did and install by using the netinst disc, then adding debs to /var/cache/apt/archives and changing some conf files ... would and apt-get -f install or dselect work to install those debs.. im trying to find a way to save on dl debs if i can |
| 03:47.10 | nevyn | lkthomas: add /bin/false to /etc/shells and make the users shell /bin/false |
| 03:47.11 | anarcat | jhanssen: that's because the bug is not in audacity, skype or ekiga, it's with your soundcard configuration :) |
| 03:47.43 | lkthomas | actually, there have mod_auth_file, but I can't find it in debian |
| 03:47.46 | jhanssen | my soundcard configuration is really cool, I am almost sure it's a bug with some package installed on debian |
| 03:47.59 | noisesmith | jhanssen: are you using dmix? |
| 03:48.03 | jhanssen | I am saying that because my friend is facing the same issue in his notebook... |
| 03:48.05 | jhanssen | dmix.. ? |
| 03:48.12 | jhanssen | let me take a look hang on |
| 03:48.12 | smacnay | A recent "testing" update seems to want to uninstall my nvidia-glx and xorg. Is nvidia support still going on? |
| 03:48.43 | anarcat | jhanssen: if the same bug is in every sound application out there, the bug is not in the sound application :) |
| 03:48.45 | noisesmith | jhanssen: without dmix, or some sound server, only one (or if you are lucky two) programs can use a sound card at a time (unless it is a pro soundcard) |
| 03:48.54 | anarcat | it's in the layer below, which is ALSA |
| 03:49.09 | streuner | smacnay: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 03:49.14 | jhanssen | my sound is a direct oss card .... |
| 03:49.18 | streuner | smacnay: and read wiki.debian.org |
| 03:49.28 | noisesmith | jhanssen: that is even worse |
| 03:49.38 | jhanssen | I am using the A7V8X-X, supported by kernel and stuffs like that... |
| 03:49.54 | jhanssen | I have selected the correct module to the sound card... |
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| 03:50.01 | anarcat | OSS?? isn't that dead yet? |
| 03:50.12 | jhanssen | Yes, I am using alsa modules now.. |
| 03:50.13 | anarcat | when *will* it finally die, that thing... |
| 03:50.16 | noisesmith | jhanssen: without alsa+dmix (plus apps that use those) or some functinal replacement, only one program can use the sound card under linux at a time |
| 03:50.23 | jhanssen | but I tried both |
| 03:50.40 | jhanssen | with and without deprecated OSS module... twice skype failed |
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| 03:51.24 | jhanssen | My car allow myself to use various applications at the same time noisesmith |
| 03:51.43 | noisesmith | jhanssen: oh, ok, lucky :) |
| 03:51.51 | jhanssen | I forgot the name of this functionality |
| 03:51.56 | jhanssen | Thanks... |
| 03:51.59 | noisesmith | jhanssen: hardware mixer? |
| 03:52.14 | jhanssen | nope, double something ... or full something... |
| 03:52.19 | anarcat | full duplex? |
| 03:52.21 | jhanssen | just forgot |
| 03:52.23 | anarcat | (that's different) |
| 03:52.29 | noisesmith | jhanssen: full duplex means input and output both work |
| 03:52.40 | jhanssen | full duplex is to Network cards |
| 03:52.41 | anarcat | (what noisesmith says) |
| 03:52.49 | noisesmith | hardware mixer means multiple apps can directly use the card |
| 03:53.05 | anarcat | jhanssen: yes, but it also applies to sound cards |
| 03:53.08 | jhanssen | yes... I can do that ... as I said I can hear my own voice on my mic... |
| 03:53.11 | noisesmith | by default, in linux, that is the only way multiple apps can use your card, unless all the apps use the same intermediary |
| 03:54.06 | noisesmith | jhanssen: hearing your voice on your mic doesn't neccisarily go through your computer at all, it could just be a sound card channel: you need the mic channel turned on for recording |
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| 03:54.55 | noisesmith | jhanssen: I appologize, it looks like I misunderstood your problem and was talking down to you, mea culpa |
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| 03:55.59 | jhanssen | not a problem, maybe my fault as well |
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| 03:56.15 | jhanssen | but Just confirmed my sound card is full duplex, yes, that was the correct name |
| 03:56.54 | noisesmith | full duplex means you will be capable of inputing and outputing at the same time- what channel is turned on for input? |
| 03:57.14 | jhanssen | how could I validate that ? alsamix ? |
| 03:57.15 | noisesmith | s/input/capture |
| 03:57.24 | noisesmith | jhanssen yes, alsamixer |
| 03:57.28 | jhanssen | k |
| 03:58.03 | jhanssen | channel 6 or 4 or 2, tried all of them :) |
| 03:58.11 | beardy | !rs |
| 03:58.11 | dpkg | A real soundcard (or a good soundcard, or better than bad) does hardware mixing, that means, play more audio streams at once, without any sounddaemons and similar.. things. They are not expensive (depends on your demands of quality, but in general) get one and be happy. |
| 03:58.45 | noisesmith | dpkg: that doesn't help me on a laptop :P |
| 03:58.46 | dpkg | noisesmith: are you using Windows? |
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| 03:58.55 | noisesmith | dpkg: FYAD |
| 03:58.56 | dpkg | noisesmith: are you using Windows? |
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| 03:59.53 | jhanssen | noisesmith, I really thinking there's some package broken or something like that bugging my debian .. |
| 04:00.02 | noisesmith | jhanssen: which input channel is your mic? |
| 04:00.25 | jhanssen | input1 |
| 04:00.36 | jhanssen | that is the back input... |
| 04:00.40 | jhanssen | not the front |
| 04:00.42 | noisesmith | and that is turned on for capture, and not muted, and skype gets nothing? |
| 04:00.48 | jhanssen | yes... |
| 04:00.55 | jhanssen | exactly ... |
| 04:00.57 | icenine | hey, what package contains the dictd databases for english? |
| 04:01.15 | icenine | I couldn't find it with aptitude search dict |
| 04:01.15 | noisesmith | jhanssen: ok, sounds like a bug, unless some other app has grabbed the capture channel |
| 04:01.20 | jhanssen | dont know my x-chat came as default.. |
| 04:01.35 | jhanssen | no no ..... |
| 04:01.36 | beardy | icenine: You need basic searching skills. |
| 04:01.51 | streuner | yes |
| 04:01.54 | streuner | !search |
| 04:01.54 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 04:01.56 | jhanssen | I try to use only the Skype, not a application mix.. |
| 04:01.56 | beardy | icenine: Try searching in aptitude's interactive interface instead. |
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| 04:02.21 | beardy | icenine: You can also check which packages dictd depends on. |
| 04:02.32 | noisesmith | icenine: looks like there are lots of options, they are all near dictd in the aptitude interface |
| 04:02.51 | icenine | ah, thanks |
| 04:02.53 | jhanssen | noisesmith, I would like to help the community or some developer, as I am using a testing version .. |
| 04:03.07 | anarcat | thanks everyone |
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| 04:03.15 | jhanssen | that could help, because up to now, my friend and I are facing this issue.. |
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| 04:04.04 | jhanssen | But I starting to think that I must send a message or get someone from Debian Team to report that ... dont know where and how.. |
| 04:04.14 | beardy | !bts |
| 04:04.15 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 04:04.20 | noisesmith | jhanssen: do you have alsa + oss emulation loaded? have you tried running skype under aoss? |
| 04:04.33 | jhanssen | yes... as kernel piece not as module... |
| 04:04.41 | jhanssen | built in |
| 04:04.57 | smacnay | streuner, I have my nvidia card working but see that the recent updates break the nvidia drivers. Maybe I will just wait for the nvidia drivers to be updated in testing. |
| 04:05.05 | noisesmith | jhanssen: did you try, from a terminal: "aoss skype"? |
| 04:05.07 | jhanssen | also I tried to run skype under aoss Yes |
| 04:05.33 | noisesmith | jhanssen: well that message via beardy from dpkg looks like your best bet |
| 04:05.35 | streuner | smacnay: hm, you can wait till hell freezes too... |
| 04:05.48 | jhanssen | Yes.. let's try the bts |
| 04:05.53 | jhanssen | thanks guys... |
| 04:06.06 | noisesmith | np |
| 04:06.23 | smacnay | streuner, hehe - done that before. |
| 04:07.30 | smacnay | streuner, I think that these drivers were downloaded from the maintainers site before there were in testing, |
| 04:07.43 | smacnay | I won't fix what isn't broken. |
| 04:08.37 | streuner | Two options: 1) you use the packages out of unstable (nvidia) or 2) you use nvidia's installer |
| 04:09.04 | streuner | best bet is surely option 1) |
| 04:09.07 | jhanssen | noisesmith, just found a tool, dbg Will try this one ... |
| 04:09.16 | catsup | um |
| 04:09.17 | jhanssen | it's a debug tool |
| 04:09.25 | catsup | don't use nvidia's installer |
| 04:09.37 | jhanssen | gdb* |
| 04:10.01 | beardy | catsup: That's what he said, streuner just gave all options. |
| 04:10.03 | streuner | catsup: scroll up and read carefully what we told him |
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| 04:10.10 | catsup | streuner: no thanks |
| 04:10.22 | beardy | Then don't whine. |
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| 04:10.32 | catsup | whine? |
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| 04:11.06 | nevyn | complain |
| 04:11.08 | noisesmith | jhanssen: gdb is especially useful if you give the c compiler the -g flag when compiling skype- if you don't, be prepared to read lots of unadorned assembly (not that I judge you for being into that if that's your thing) |
| 04:11.33 | catsup | right, but an imperative can hardly be called a complaint |
| 04:11.38 | smacnay | streuner, thanks - so you think that the newer drivers will not make it into testing? |
| 04:11.43 | noisesmith | jhanssen: if there is a skype-dbg package, that will be the equivalent |
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| 04:12.02 | jhanssen | forgot .. |
| 04:12.14 | jhanssen | in fact that didnt find a debug flag or something like that... |
| 04:12.20 | jhanssen | Thanks one more time :) |
| 04:12.44 | noisesmith | jhanssen: it is often a CFLAGS option in the Makefile, you just add -g to that list |
| 04:12.45 | streuner | smacnay: i wouldn't wait, but situation could change any time |
| 04:13.27 | beardy | jhanssen: What exactly is the problem, in a very short summary? No mic input? |
| 04:13.35 | catsup | you can build a package with the source of the newer drivers |
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| 04:14.08 | noisesmith | beardy: he has the mic turned on for capture, it is audible in his headphones, and skype is not recieving it |
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| 04:14.29 | catsup | probably just by putting the new source into the old debian source package |
| 04:14.49 | beardy | noisesmith: jhanssen: and neither was audacity? |
| 04:15.08 | jhanssen | Yes.. But I can hear my output on Phone.. |
| 04:15.37 | noisesmith | jhanssen: that is entirely seperate, hearing the mic in your speakers, and software recieving your mic are very different |
| 04:15.37 | beardy | jhanssen: If you're hearing it, you have just turned up the output.. or straight through volume on your mic, NOT the recording volume. |
| 04:16.08 | noisesmith | jhanssen: that is why I asked if mic was selected for capture and turned up |
| 04:16.29 | jhanssen | hmmm, ok .. it means the Mic and Boost tabs in alsamixer itself right ? |
| 04:16.35 | noisesmith | yes |
| 04:16.45 | jhanssen | K, they're fine |
| 04:17.02 | jhanssen | Mic Channel 1 |
| 04:17.11 | noisesmith | and is there a red C by the mic? or something similar? |
| 04:17.20 | noisesmith | that shows which device is captured |
| 04:17.30 | jhanssen | Yes, they're ON |
| 04:17.35 | beardy | Or something to indicate that it is the one selected for recording? |
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| 04:17.51 | noisesmith | being on is different from being the capture device |
| 04:18.21 | jhanssen | Yes, it's the capture device... it's the mic1, not the mic2 |
| 04:18.40 | jhanssen | and If I change that turns off the output in the sound... |
| 04:18.43 | noisesmith | if you hit <tab> so View: says capture, what channel says CAPTURE in red underneat it? |
| 04:18.56 | jhanssen | let me see |
| 04:19.16 | beardy | jhanssen: You shouldn't have any output in your headphones from it. |
| 04:19.19 | noisesmith | on mine it just says CAPTUR actually |
| 04:19.27 | jhanssen | hmm maybe that the problem |
| 04:19.29 | jhanssen | hang on |
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| 04:19.34 | noisesmith | beardy: that is isometric :) |
| 04:19.37 | jhanssen | ohhhhhhh |
| 04:19.39 | jhanssen | no no |
| 04:19.44 | jhanssen | There's nothing |
| 04:20.01 | noisesmith | jhanssen: the space bar toggles a channel for recording |
| 04:20.08 | jhanssen | let me see |
| 04:20.27 | jhanssen | let's test :D |
| 04:20.59 | jhanssen | hmmm Problem with audio playback |
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| 04:21.35 | beardy | Either way, this is not a bug, at all. |
| 04:21.48 | noisesmith | beardy: thanks for getting us back on the right track |
| 04:22.02 | beardy | noisesmith: No problem. Keep up the good work. |
| 04:22.39 | beardy | jhanssen: If you try to record something in audacity, make sure the mic is selected there too, do you see any waves atleast, even if you can't play it back at the moment? |
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| 04:22.55 | jhanssen | let me explore the <tab> now |
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| 04:23.59 | noisesmith | beardy: if I am not mistaken, selecting a channel for recording in audacity uses the same api that alsamixer does (I gave up audacity for ardour a long time ago though, so I could be wrong) |
| 04:24.18 | r0b | do i need to restart x on a xorg update? |
| 04:24.33 | noisesmith | r0b: for the changes to take effect: yes |
| 04:24.34 | zxcv | If you want to be running the newer X server, then yeah. |
| 04:25.04 | noisesmith | r0b: you could even start a second X and try both the X servers at once :) |
| 04:25.06 | beardy | noisesmith: (And I haven't used a linux box with sound since OSS really, not enough to know/remember exactly anyway.) That sounds likely yes. |
| 04:25.29 | jhanssen | noisesmith, just recording .. |
| 04:26.02 | jhanssen | I must have the MIC as CAPTURE and the CAPTURE It self turned on with the space right ? |
| 04:26.04 | r0b | noisesmith: ok so it wont hurt if i dont right away, i did a aptitude safe-upgrade and i get xorg updates but i dont wanna restart if it isnt needed yet |
| 04:26.05 | noisesmith | jhanssen: you mean recording is working but not playback? but not monitoring? or? |
| 04:26.13 | jhanssen | just remembering sorry .. |
| 04:26.18 | noisesmith | r0b: exactly |
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| 04:26.24 | r0b | noisesmith: thanks |
| 04:26.28 | beardy | rdz: You can let it running until you feel like restarting yes. |
| 04:26.40 | beardy | r0b: ^^^ |
| 04:26.47 | r0b | gotcha |
| 04:27.53 | kryptoz | hi all, just installed debian lenny, I have a intel pro 3945ABG wiresless card. I installed firmware-iwlwifi, what else I need to install to get the wireless working ? |
| 04:28.03 | jhanssen | Heyyyyyyyy mannnnnnnnnnnnnn |
| 04:28.16 | jhanssen | noisesmith and beardy THANK YOU GUYS |
| 04:28.24 | grendal_prime | i got a situation where i built a diagnostic os with debian. (works great by the way) but now we are looking at expanding its abilites. Now i have installed a distributed root key so that i can automate loggin in and installing packages. the next question. Is there a simple way of creating packages (these are all just bash scripts for the most part) |
| 04:28.35 | kryptoz | does iwlwifi drivers work with ipw 3945 ? should I go back to ipw3945ABG drivers ? |
| 04:28.43 | noisesmith | kryptoz: sudo iwconfig, after the module is loaded, what is the output like? |
| 04:28.56 | jhanssen | noisesmith, now it's working .. thanks by the help |
| 04:28.58 | jhanssen | :) |
| 04:29.08 | beardy | jhanssen: Great. :) |
| 04:29.19 | noisesmith | kryptoz: if you see a device with wireless extensions, and are comfortable using iwconfig by hand, you are done, otherwise pick a wireless frontend |
| 04:29.21 | jhanssen | let me take a rest now, have you guys a good night.... C 'ya |
| 04:29.41 | beardy | jhanssen: Good night. |
| 04:29.43 | smultron | anyone good with sed? i'm getting stuck http://pastebin.com/d72675182 |
| 04:29.46 | noisesmith | kryptoz: if you see no wireless extensions with the driver loaded, you need a different driver |
| 04:29.55 | kryptoz | noisesmith: I dont see the module when i do `lsmod | grep -i iw` |
| 04:30.14 | kryptoz | nor do I see it in "modprobe -l | grep -i iw" |
| 04:30.15 | beardy | grendal_prime: Have a look at the.. |
| 04:30.21 | beardy | !nm guide |
| 04:30.21 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 04:30.40 | noisesmith | kryptoz: what is the module called? |
| 04:31.06 | kryptoz | I before have installed ipw3945ABG (from sourceforge.net) and got things working.. but I got strong recommendations from others that I should use the packages from deb repo.. |
| 04:31.10 | grendal_prime | interesting...i didnt think it had anything to do with sex ..but ...ok im game ill check it out |
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| 04:31.32 | beardy | grendal_prime: ? |
| 04:31.36 | grendal_prime | ooooh ..shut down You don't have permission to access /wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper on this server. |
| 04:31.49 | grendal_prime | probably because im not a women |
| 04:31.55 | kryptoz | there is no module frm the firmware-iwlwifi package .. |
| 04:32.18 | kryptoz | it only has a firmware copied to "/lib/firmware" called "firmware-iwlwifi" |
| 04:32.34 | kryptoz | so I wanted to know what package i need to install to get the module for the card |
| 04:32.54 | noisesmith | kryptoz: ok, yeah, that is a different question :) |
| 04:32.56 | kryptoz | I did a apt-cache search (i have non-free enabled in the source.list) |
| 04:33.02 | kryptoz | could find anything at all |
| 04:33.33 | kryptoz | noisesmith: if you see my initial question, you will see I had only one q ;) |
| 04:33.55 | noisesmith | kryptoz: try modprobe ipw3945 |
| 04:34.04 | beardy | grendal_prime: I'm sure you can use a search engine.. http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 04:34.38 | kryptoz | noisesmith: I dont have ipw3945 installed. That package is not maintained now. Its depricated. So I waas wondering the replacement, the "iwlwifi" would work ? |
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| 04:35.57 | jim | if I don't have a wireless setup already but somewhat considering the idea of getting one, is it worth the hassle of getting the drivers going? |
| 04:35.57 | kryptoz | I had ipw3945, but was strongly advised against by other debian users |
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| 04:36.37 | dondelelcaro | kryptoz: it should have been moved into the kernel, iirc. |
| 04:36.41 | beardy | !nm guide =~ s/http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper/http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper/ |
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| 04:36.50 | kryptoz | my same card, works out of the box with Ubuntu 8.04, which uses iwlwifi drivers... so I guess it should work in debian testing also.. |
| 04:36.51 | dondelelcaro | jim: it's pretty triival to get them going |
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| 04:37.15 | jim | what are a few of the worst-case cards and what would I be looking at? |
| 04:37.23 | jim | heya don |
| 04:37.31 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: nm guide =~ s{wiki/index.php/English}{/wiki/English} |
| 04:37.31 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 04:37.44 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: nm guide =~ s#wiki/index.php/English#/wiki/English# |
| 04:37.44 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'wiki/index.php/English', dondelelcaro |
| 04:37.46 | shyam_k | hi why dont lenny repo have an emacs-snapshot? |
| 04:37.57 | dondelelcaro | shyam_k: because that's not a package that Debian will ever release with. |
| 04:37.58 | noisesmith | jim: worst case I have seen is having to put a windows binary driver on my machine under ndiswrapper, and code that has touched windows makes me feel unclean |
| 04:38.33 | dondelelcaro | shyam_k: there are a few unofficial emacs snapshot packages out there, though. |
| 04:38.47 | jim | well the hardware has touched windows... I still have to wipe the slop off the transistors in the chip... |
| 04:38.51 | noisesmith | jim: what you are looking at is not cards, but chips |
| 04:39.12 | jim | ok, so the worst case is having to do ndiswrapper? |
| 04:39.15 | noisesmith | jim: some chips are definitely better supported than others |
| 04:39.28 | dondelelcaro | jim: the worst case is that the chipset has no support at all; that said, bcm43xx, madwifi, and the iwl stuff are all pretty well supported |
| 04:39.32 | noisesmith | jim: yeah, I have never seen a wifi card that did not at worst case work under ndiswrapper |
| 04:39.38 | jim | I keep hearing it's hard to get a card with the chip you want |
| 04:39.45 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Thanks. But that isn't it. |
| 04:39.47 | jim | at least buying it now |
| 04:39.48 | dondelelcaro | jim: it's actually not so difficult. |
| 04:39.50 | jim | new |
| 04:39.58 | beardy | !nm guide =~ s/alioth.// |
| 04:39.58 | dpkg | beardy: that doesn't contain 'alioth.' |
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| 04:40.18 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: newmaint =~ s{wiki/index.php/English}{/wiki/English} |
| 04:40.18 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: wish i knew |
| 04:40.55 | jim | howbout if I augment the requirements a bit... what if I added that I want a wap from linux... does that kill off a bunch of cards I could have used if not for wap? |
| 04:41.01 | Miesco | Does openoffice.org writer have a dictionary? |
| 04:41.05 | dondelelcaro | !nm guide |
| 04:41.06 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http:/www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.debian.org//wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 04:41.59 | shyam_k | dondelelcaro: ok the confusion was coz the cvs emacs code didnt said me about specific packages to be installed.. now i got a list of packages from #emacs..think it will work.. |
| 04:42.00 | dondelelcaro | Miesco: it does spell checking |
| 04:42.06 | beardy | dpkg: no, nm guide is <reply> The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http:/www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 04:42.07 | dpkg | okay, beardy |
| 04:42.18 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, nm guide is <reply> see newmaint |
| 04:42.18 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 04:42.29 | dondelelcaro | best not to modify factoids unless you know what you're doing |
| 04:43.06 | Miesco | dondelelcaro: Wait, it has a dictionary, there's a wizard to install it |
| 04:43.22 | dondelelcaro | beardy: in this case, literal nm guide; would have told you why it wasn't working (and using /// as delimiters isn't going to work when you've got /// in the regex) |
| 04:43.24 | jim | that BuildingWithoutHelper thing is the answer to one of the maint test questions |
| 04:43.29 | noisesmith | sitting in front of me I have one machine with a d-link dwl-650+ with an acx 100 that supports scanning, manual send and recieve power override |
| 04:44.02 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Other delimiters doesn't work, either. |
| 04:44.07 | dondelelcaro | beardy: sure they do |
| 04:44.18 | dondelelcaro | beardy: I fixed it using ###, so... |
| 04:44.28 | dondelelcaro | !nm guide |
| 04:44.29 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http//www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http//women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 04:44.50 | dondelelcaro | !newmaint =~ s#//#://#g |
| 04:44.51 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 04:45.08 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Then it can't replace "women." with "men.". |
| 04:45.18 | dondelelcaro | beardy: sure it can |
| 04:46.02 | beardy | Then good day. |
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| 04:46.25 | jim | watches the battle of the network regex stars |
| 04:47.19 | jim | (perhaps you shouldn't fight like that in public) |
| 04:47.28 | jelly-home | fight? |
| 04:47.56 | jim | erasing each other's changes, etc |
| 04:48.16 | streuner | hm, pretty senseless |
| 04:48.33 | jim | one saying (not suggesting) the other doesn't know what he's doing in public |
| 04:48.37 | streuner | factoids changed till years without beeing a PERL guru |
| 04:48.40 | jim | very unprofessional behavior. |
| 04:48.48 | noisesmith | throws a non-greedy glob at jim, hitting him in the face, while dodging a character-set-negation operator |
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| 04:49.49 | jelly-home | jim: whatever. I just see a simple correction, not a fight. |
| 04:49.51 | jim | throws a s!!! operation at noisesmith, not knowing whether it will work! |
| 04:50.26 | noisesmith | blocks with a unicode collation set |
| 04:50.31 | dondelelcaro | beardy: didn't mean to say that fixing it was wrong; I see how it could have been interpreted like that. My point was just that you should check whether the factoid that you're modifying is actually the root before using no. |
| 04:50.50 | dondelelcaro | literal foofactoid; is the way that you do that; no is the nuclear option. |
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| 04:51.21 | jim | controls the collateral damage by explaining how emacs doesn't work for wrist watch cell phones! |
| 04:51.42 | dondelelcaro | jim: if you've got a wrist watch that is less powerful than a PDP10... |
| 04:52.04 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Yes, I know how to check that, but most factoids are not pointing to another one. Noted. |
| 04:52.15 | jim | oh, oops, sorry, what I thought was a wrist watch was a collection of freckles |
| 04:52.32 | noisesmith | wait, I just got sent home from the last editor war, am I getting drafted AGAIN? |
| 04:52.41 | dondelelcaro | beardy: it's pretty common, actually... most of the really informative ones have a bunch of aliases |
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| 04:53.01 | dondelelcaro | (most of them put in place because I often can't remember the original name) |
| 04:53.17 | dondelelcaro | !factinfo nm guide |
| 04:53.18 | dpkg | nm guide -- created by dondelelcaro <~don@archimedes.ucr.edu> at Wed Mar 31 05:41:53 2004 (1496 days); last modified 10m 59s ago by dondelelcaro!n=don@archimedes.ucr.edu; it has been requested 180 times, last by dondelelcaro, 7m 24s ago. |
| 04:53.24 | dondelelcaro | (the above being a *classic* example. ;-)) |
| 04:53.43 | jim | noisesmith: your mission, jim, should you decide to accept it, would be to self-destruct in 5 seconds... good luck jim! |
| 04:54.09 | beardy | Yes, I'm sure I have made one or two too.. and when changing others, I guess I've just used the original one, not destroying too many. |
| 04:54.11 | jim | oops, I knew I shouldn't have cut the tape down that much! |
| 04:54.26 | beardy | IIRC, one regarding grub floppies.. |
| 04:54.29 | noisesmith | heh |
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| 04:55.32 | streuner | .oO (convo sounds like "Who has the longer dick?";-)) |
| 04:56.17 | beardy | !factinfo grub floppy |
| 04:56.17 | dpkg | grub floppy -- last modified at Sat Apr 29 13:06:48 2006 by beardy_!n=beardy@unaffiliated/beardy; it has been requested 29 times, last by abrotman at Sun Mar 16 13:01:08 2008. |
| 04:56.29 | beardy | Human memory is interesting at times. |
| 04:57.41 | beardy | !literal grub floppy |
| 04:57.42 | dpkg | "grub floppy" is "<reply>see grub floppy image" |
| 04:57.47 | beardy | (One of those, I meant.) |
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| 04:58.04 | beardy | streuner: Maybe it's just you? ;) |
| 04:58.07 | beardy | runs |
| 04:59.28 | dondelelcaro | streuner: size and technique, man; size and technique. |
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| 05:02.54 | beardy | I guess one could make that analogy.. dondelelcaro's technique was better than the brutal size of my try, today. |
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| 05:05.24 | streuner | That's not the point, the point is rather for me, is the factoid correct and helpful |
| 05:05.45 | streuner | (without being a PERL guru) |
| 05:06.04 | dondelelcaro | oh... blootbot actually doesn't understand perl regexes |
| 05:06.09 | dondelelcaro | it's really, really basic |
| 05:06.27 | beardy | I guess, if possible, would be nice if it did the edit on the referenced factoid, if it is a linked one. |
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| 05:08.00 | mxmx | sup Maliuta |
| 05:08.06 | n3kl | Anyone know if the lonhaul driver has been fixed? |
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| 05:09.42 | beardy | n3kl: Check the Bug Tracking System, if it has, it will be there. (No idea what that particular thing is though.) |
| 05:09.43 | shyam_k | whats exactly the would be lenny package name for gtk+-2.0 and glib-2.0 ? |
| 05:10.05 | streuner | shyam_k: what for? |
| 05:10.06 | shyam_k | ops grammar mistakes;-) |
| 05:10.38 | streuner | (what do you want compile?) |
| 05:10.56 | shyam_k | emacs asks me to install gtk+-2.0 and glib-2.0 :) |
| 05:11.27 | zxcv | so? |
| 05:11.56 | shyam_k | i am confused which package exactly is to be installed..i am in a fresh lenny |
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| 05:12.40 | zxcv | emacs can run in X as an X client, and can run in console as a console program. |
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| 05:13.28 | noisesmith | shyam_k libgtk2.0-0 libglib2.0-0 |
| 05:13.28 | dondelelcaro | shyam_k: just apt-get builddep emacs; and you should be all set. |
| 05:13.29 | zxcv | the gtk+-2.0 is a GUI toolkit for X. |
| 05:13.41 | n3kl | beardy: thanks |
| 05:13.43 | shyam_k | ookk.. |
| 05:13.44 | beardy | shyam_k: 'aptitude' /to search, type gtk, n until it looks correct, check version, install. Same with glib, search for it, control if it's the right version, install. (Where did you install emacs from, or have you built it? But then you have the -dev packages installed.) Or: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:14.28 | beardy | n3kl: You're welcome. |
| 05:14.30 | noisesmith | shyam_k: are you asking what libs to install, or what the lib is? to see a description of some package in aptitude, hit enter while the cursor is on it's line |
| 05:14.35 | noisesmith | *its |
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| 05:15.23 | n3kl | beardy: I need to get in the habbit of using the proper resources. I find often, several google searches and no answer when I could have just looked in /usr/share/doc |
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| 05:16.09 | shyam_k | yeah libgtk-2 and libglib was i was searching for! that lib extension i didnt get!! i have used and install that before but forgot that for a moment now!:) sorry for the mess:) |
| 05:16.11 | beardy | n3kl: "/msg dpkg grounding" if you like, it has many starting point factoids with the good things. |
| 05:16.27 | shyam_k | dondelelcaro: thanks i didnt see builddep so far:) |
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| 05:21.40 | noisesmith | n3kl: regarding /usr/share doc: I just wish there were more programs that could usably browse that directory. The people who most need that directory are using konqueror or nautilus, and the dir takes ages to load |
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| 05:23.10 | markybob | i've never browsed that outside of a terminal. ever |
| 05:23.16 | beardy | It's a good exercise to start learning a shell, "cd", "ls" and "(z)less", though. |
| 05:23.27 | beardy | For those. |
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| 05:23.48 | noisesmith | markybob: rox does a decent job of browsing it on a pIII with 125 megs of ram and a 800mhz processor |
| 05:24.28 | noisesmith | beardy: yes, it is good to use the shell, but the people who most need to read things in /usr/share/doc are least likely to be comfortable in a shell |
| 05:25.22 | dimir | Morning! |
| 05:26.06 | beardy | noisesmith: Good time to start loving it, then. Works nicely on a 66MHz 486 with 8MB of RAM too, btw. |
| 05:26.39 | noisesmith | beardy: wow, what do you use that machine for? |
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| 05:28.20 | Haris_ | what is /dev/xconsole? |
| 05:28.41 | beardy | noisesmith: I played with the apple2 emulator with name of just "apple2", a bit in the weekend, also as an alarm clock, (but I didn't wake up ;) ).. and just about anything I can think of. If I network it again, and/or get a tiny bit more RAM, I'll upgrade it, it runs Woody, 3.0, and very nicely too. |
| 05:28.54 | markybob | Haris_ man xconsole |
| 05:29.03 | Haris_ | there is no man page for it |
| 05:29.12 | markybob | yes, there is |
| 05:29.14 | Haris_ | at least one's not installed if there is one |
| 05:29.15 | beardy | Haris_: The device that is listed in the corner of your display manager, and some window managers. |
| 05:29.49 | noisesmith | justin@emergent:~$ file /dev/xconsol -> /dev/xconsole: fifo (named pipe) |
| 05:30.03 | Haris_ | I didn't install gui with debian |
| 05:30.35 | streuner | makes sense then |
| 05:30.37 | beardy | noisesmith: Runs DOS too, and as I found it simpler to get a new version, runs slashem, and various old games, and so on. |
| 05:30.44 | streuner | xconsole is prolly in X |
| 05:31.16 | Haris_ | Secondly, daemon.* catches all squid cache.log. How can I have it not catch squid's events |
| 05:31.18 | noisesmith | Haris_: you can cat /dev/xconsole to monitor system messages, whether x is running or not |
| 05:32.03 | noisesmith | beardy: slashem or nethack is enough for any computer to be usable for decades on end :) |
| 05:32.27 | beardy | Haris_: The device will still be there, as noisesmith just said, it gets used if it is needed, otherwise it's jsut a good thing to have the device anyway. |
| 05:32.43 | Haris_ | beardy: That's ok |
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| 05:32.47 | beardy | noisesmith: Yep. :) |
| 05:33.11 | noisesmith | beardy: nethack on my cellphone = happy bus commutes |
| 05:33.11 | zenwryly | is there a way to copy the permissions (user, group, mode, stickiness, etc.) from one file/dir to another? |
| 05:33.39 | beardy | zenwryly: 'man cp' search preserve |
| 05:33.47 | Haris_ | Time to turn on the other connection |
| 05:33.53 | noisesmith | zenwryly: without copying the contents? |
| 05:34.12 | zenwryly | noisesmith: yeah |
| 05:34.47 | zenwryly | beardy: noisesmith is talking about the part I forgot to specify. :) I don't want to copy contents. |
| 05:34.56 | beardy | zenwryly: Ah. |
| 05:35.02 | noisesmith | zenwryly: I can imagine a way to do it in perl, which makes me think someone wrote that app or functionality in perl already... but I am not 100% certain if it exists. It would only be a 10 line script or so |
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| 05:35.33 | noisesmith | zenwryly: it could even be done in the shell if you had to |
| 05:35.39 | zenwryly | noisesmith: ok, thanks, I can certianly do it myself |
| 05:35.47 | zenwryly | noisesmith: I mean chmod has --reference |
| 05:36.04 | noisesmith | zenwryly: but don't take my word as the last one, maybe the app exists |
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| 05:36.30 | zenwryly | noisesmith: k, thanks! |
| 05:36.38 | noisesmith | zenwryly: what do you need that chmod --reference does not do? |
| 05:37.33 | beardy | zenwryly: Another way could be to use shred(1) for each file, with the --size=N option after each copy to throw the data.. |
| 05:37.55 | zenwryly | noisesmith: I want chomd --reference and chown --reference in one command :) |
| 05:38.02 | zenwryly | noisesmith: and easy shell script |
| 05:38.23 | zenwryly | noisesmith: I just wanted to check if there wasn't something in the typical *nix CLI for doing that already |
| 05:38.31 | noisesmith | oh, so I was wrong about the line count by an order of magnitude |
| 05:38.34 | noisesmith | laughs |
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| 05:39.26 | tclineks | i'm getting broken newliens in the output of watch, any suggestions? |
| 05:39.50 | noisesmith | tclineks: wrong $TERM variable? |
| 05:40.21 | tclineks | noisesmith: possibly, i'll check into that, thanks |
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| 05:40.42 | beardy | zenwryly: There will be after you've made a nice little script using chmod and chown, or the more silly/creative way with shred and cp. |
| 05:40.56 | beardy | :) |
| 05:41.00 | tclineks | noisesmith: TERM=screen =/ |
| 05:41.07 | zenwryly | beardy: yup :) |
| 05:41.30 | tclineks | noisesmith: bad outside of scren as well (xterm) |
| 05:42.10 | noisesmith | tclineks: if it is under screen, try setting term to VT100 or VT102 and see if you still get the wrong behavior |
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| 05:43.30 | tclineks | noisesmith: no go on either of those |
| 05:43.37 | noisesmith | my TERM=screen as well, and I have no such problem though (lenny/sid) |
| 05:43.38 | tclineks | it's a python traceback that i'm watching |
| 05:44.05 | tclineks | ls -l for example is fine |
| 05:44.24 | noisesmith | tclineks: then it sounds like a bug in the python program? |
| 05:44.49 | tclineks | noisesmith: hm, sort of doubtful, i'll look around more, thanks for your tiem |
| 05:44.50 | tclineks | tiem* |
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| 05:45.07 | tclineks | fack, time |
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| 05:46.15 | markybob | fack? |
| 05:46.17 | beardy | tclineks: Can you try at a real vt? |
| 05:46.52 | tclineks | beardy: bad there too |
| 05:46.52 | noisesmith | markybob: I think he meant "fack tiem" |
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| 05:47.21 | tclineks | fack ~= fuck |
| 05:47.39 | nevyn | tiem? |
| 05:47.45 | markybob | i believe you mean frak, from bsg. or frack, if you're talking about the late (not current) series |
| 05:48.10 | beardy | tclineks: I guess watch itself is to blame. |
| 05:48.35 | noisesmith | nevyn: as in: ti si tiem fro me to og oto bed |
| 05:48.51 | nevyn | oh... |
| 05:49.04 | beardy | noisesmith: em! |
| 05:49.10 | beardy | ot |
| 05:49.17 | noisesmith | oops! |
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| 05:49.35 | beardy | tclineks: Not sure what would be a good thing to check with though.. it sure can't display everything as it should anyway. |
| 05:50.23 | beardy | Oh, and bde, you must be tired. ;) |
| 05:51.07 | noisesmith | tclineks: watch messes up newlines for me when stderr is used |
| 05:51.36 | tclineks | ah that must be it |
| 05:52.27 | beardy | tclineks: Hmm.. |
| 05:52.29 | tclineks | yep |
| 05:52.35 | noisesmith | tclineks: so a workaround is "watch 'python script.py 2>&1'" |
| 05:52.37 | tclineks | "(cmd) 2>&1" |
| 05:52.39 | beardy | tclineks: Quote it within single quotes. |
| 05:52.53 | tclineks | didn't have to quote it |
| 05:53.00 | tclineks | well, i did, but not in singles |
| 05:53.01 | beardy | watch 'echo -e "Foo\nBar\nMoo\n"' |
| 05:53.08 | beardy | Well, I had, for that. |
| 05:53.16 | beardy | But if double works, go with that then. |
| 05:53.23 | beardy | !win noisesmith |
| 05:53.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, noisesmith! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 05:53.24 | tclineks | cool thanks guys, this has been bothering me for a long time |
| 05:53.41 | tclineks | with other things as well, never thought it was because of stderr |
| 05:54.21 | noisesmith | is that a bug? |
| 05:54.42 | noisesmith | man watch mentions "you can check for a new kernel version with 'watch uname -r'" |
| 05:54.43 | noisesmith | rofl |
| 05:55.03 | beardy | Heh.. check 'man watch' for very clear mentioning of quoting.. |
| 05:55.06 | noisesmith | I see no mention of stdout behaviour in man watch, so I call that a bug |
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| 05:55.36 | noisesmith | s/stdout/stderr/ |
| 05:56.11 | beardy | Oh, so it wasn't the quotes, but that it was stderr? |
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| 05:56.46 | noisesmith | beardy: yeah |
| 05:57.02 | noisesmith | I think |
| 05:57.23 | tclineks | if that's a bug it's been there for years |
| 05:58.01 | noisesmith | well I figure they should either a) fix it or at the very least b) mention that it breaks formatting on stderr |
| 05:58.08 | noisesmith | in the manual that is |
| 05:58.26 | tclineks | yeah |
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| 05:59.16 | vy | Hi! What's the problem with sun-java5-jre package in here: http://rafb.net/p/RFo8LD51.html |
| 06:00.21 | noisesmith | it means a package is needed, but not provided, did you manually install some .debs from sun? |
| 06:00.45 | beardy | noisesmith: Ah yes. There we go. watch 'echo -e "Foo\nBar\nMoo\n" 1>&2' |
| 06:01.01 | beardy | tclineks: Yeah. |
| 06:01.02 | vy | noisesmith: No, this is a plain etch installation with upgrades properly done. |
| 06:01.51 | noisesmith | vy: I cannot find sun-java5-jre what repository is it from? |
| 06:02.14 | beardy | noisesmith: non-free probably/IIRC |
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| 06:03.03 | vy | noisesmith: deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 06:03.43 | noisesmith | I have non-free on my lists, and I am not seeing it |
| 06:04.03 | beardy | vy: One thing though. Use aptitude. |
| 06:04.11 | vy | Hrm... Can it mean broken .fr repos? I'll switch to ftp.us. and retry. |
| 06:04.24 | noisesmith | anyway, whoever is providing you with sun-java5-jre seems to no longer be offering the sun-java5-bin package, but did not remove it as a dependancy |
| 06:04.26 | vy | beardy: Any particular reason? |
| 06:04.42 | beardy | vy: Yes. |
| 06:04.49 | noisesmith | vy: if you use .us, I don't think you will see the sun packages available at all |
| 06:05.14 | noisesmith | vy: you keep less kruft that way |
| 06:05.44 | beardy | vy: /msg dpkg aptitude , /msg dpkg why aptitude, or just take my word. |
| 06:08.34 | noisesmith | beardy: /msg dpkg aptitude references /msg dpkg aptitude-foo which seems mto be missing |
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| 06:08.50 | lkthomas | guys, if I want to make sure all email is processed by maildrop, do I need to use DEFAULTDELIVERY ? |
| 06:09.09 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 06:09.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 06:09.53 | beardy | noisesmith: Hmm? |
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| 06:10.25 | supersako | hey guys i am running a debian webserver just a basic test server at home.. does it matter if i leave it as /var/www/ as the main folder? |
| 06:10.30 | supersako | is it a big security risk |
| 06:11.01 | noisesmith | it says: Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 06:11.03 | markybob | supersako it's fine. no, it's no security risk |
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| 06:11.13 | beardy | noisesmith: Yes, and they all exist. |
| 06:11.20 | supersako | even with php files |
| 06:11.22 | lagbolt | how do you ask dpkg about a bug? |
| 06:11.29 | supersako | should i just put it in the default htdocs folder? |
| 06:11.40 | lagbolt | if i have the bug # |
| 06:11.41 | lagbolt | that is |
| 06:11.41 | markybob | supersako does matter where you put it. at all |
| 06:11.43 | sonnie | i'm trying to compile vsftpd but failed at 'sysutil.c:604: error: assignment of read-only member __in' |
| 06:11.44 | noisesmith | I swear it was not working before |
| 06:11.52 | sonnie | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 06:12.13 | beardy | noisesmith: (The < and > is just to make it more readable, if you mean that.) |
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| 06:12.27 | noisesmith | no, I must have misspelled aptitude or something |
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| 06:13.53 | beardy | lagbolt: /msg dpkg bugs #<number> |
| 06:13.59 | lagbolt | thanks beardy |
| 06:14.05 | beardy | np |
| 06:14.46 | beardy | !wayc sonnie |
| 06:15.15 | dpkg | sonnie: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
| 06:15.15 | sonnie | because i want to patch the source code |
| 06:15.15 | beardy | !security |
| 06:15.15 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 06:15.22 | beardy | What patch? |
| 06:15.25 | beardy | What source? |
| 06:15.48 | sonnie | vsftpd-2.0.5, with a charset patch |
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| 06:17.45 | beardy | Ok. |
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| 06:23.39 | noisesmith | is it a bug that the spidermonkey bin package description does not mention "smjs" and that its executable name and manfile are smjs and apropos smjs won't find its man page? |
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| 06:26.11 | Rayon | hi, all! |
| 06:26.22 | zxcv | hi Rayon. |
| 06:26.59 | Rayon | I found that debian kernel image amd64 is the indicated to xeon, but... |
| 06:27.10 | markybob | Rayon you're totally wrong |
| 06:27.15 | beardy | noisesmith: No, but a bit messy.. apropos searches desciptions, 'apropos whateveritactuallydoes' instead. |
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| 06:27.33 | Rayon | for xeon dual core is that too? |
| 06:27.50 | noisesmith | beardy: in that case smjs is what it does because that is the entirety of it's description |
| 06:28.06 | markybob | Rayon amd64 works on x86_64 kernels and newer xeon (ia64) kernels |
| 06:28.24 | noisesmith | n/m It must really be time for bed over here |
| 06:28.28 | noisesmith | I misread the page |
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| 06:29.04 | markybob | Rayon hrm, no, disregard my last part. just x86_64 :P newer ia64 support x86 but not x86_64. |
| 06:29.08 | Rayon | well, ia64 kernel image is the write to use to a "xeon dual core"? |
| 06:29.28 | Rayon | xeon dual core os EM64T |
| 06:30.09 | markybob | xeon is an os now? |
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| 06:31.05 | Rayon | EM64T [Extended Memory 64 Technology) |
| 06:31.47 | Rayon | in http://www.debian.org/ports/ there is: "AMD64 (amd64) |
| 06:31.49 | Rayon | First officially released with Debian 4.0. Port to the 64 bit AMD64 processors. The goal is to support both 32bit- and 64bit-userland on this architecture. This port supports AMD's 64-bit Opteron, Athlon and Sempron processors, and Intel's processors with EM64T support, including the Pentium D and various Xeon and Core2 series." |
| 06:31.59 | beardy | noisesmith: Weird packagename too, and that whole thing.. well. |
| 06:32.24 | nevyn | Rayon: no it's not amd64 is the correct image |
| 06:32.35 | nevyn | ia64 is only for intel Itanium cpu's |
| 06:32.59 | noisesmith | the package name is fine: spidermonkey-bin, but the app being called smjs confused me for a little while |
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| 06:33.35 | noisesmith | but this is the world of unix, where copy-some-bytes-from-here-to-there is called dd, so it is to be expected |
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| 06:34.36 | Rayon | debian.org says that AMD64 image is for Xeon. But a friend says that this image suport the 64bits from the Xeon, but not the "multi core" feature. |
| 06:34.48 | Rayon | Is that right? |
| 06:35.23 | Maliuta | from the reading I had done I thought newer intel 64bit systems should use amd64 kernels |
| 06:35.26 | fireba11 | Rayon : i doubt that that is what debian.org says |
| 06:35.43 | nevyn | Rayon: smp/smc support is orthoganal to archetecture |
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| 06:36.03 | nevyn | Rayon: debian has a amd64 kernel that supports smc correctly |
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| 06:36.50 | Rayon | nevyn: so amb64 wil work with both cores? |
| 06:37.42 | b4t1st3l4 | someone have a problem with "populating /dev" on kernel 2.6.24.1 ? |
| 06:37.55 | nevyn | Rayon: Rayon if there's not an amd64-smp varient then yes. |
| 06:38.22 | nevyn | Rayon: but. as I say they're orthoganal issues and you don't need smp to get the system installed |
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| 06:38.38 | Rayon | nevyn, yes. |
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| 06:38.57 | nevyn | you want it once it's running. |
| 06:39.10 | noisesmith | Rayon: if you use a -smp kernel you will be fine |
| 06:39.31 | Rayon | I´ve already instaled, but I don´t now if it is using the total potential of the harware. |
| 06:39.41 | nevyn | Rayon: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 06:39.48 | nevyn | what's the biggest cpu number? |
| 06:40.03 | fireba11 | !tell rayon about amd64 |
| 06:40.06 | nevyn | Rayon: what's the cpu configuration? |
| 06:40.07 | Rayon | I´m not with the CPU right now |
| 06:40.20 | Rayon | Just a minute... |
| 06:40.52 | nevyn | 2 sockets each with 2 core xeons? |
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| 06:41.14 | b4t1st3l4 | someone could help me? |
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| 06:41.38 | nevyn | !tell b4t1st3l4 about ask |
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| 06:43.43 | fireba11 | Rayon: what you want is IA-64 |
| 06:43.59 | nevyn | fireba11: really he doesn't |
| 06:44.18 | fireba11 | nevyn: what makes you think so ? |
| 06:44.48 | noisesmith | b4t1st3l4: what do you need to know? |
| 06:44.50 | nevyn | ia-64 is not for xeon |
| 06:44.57 | b4t1st3l4 | I'm running Debian lenny with the kernel 2.6.24.1, and on the boot it takes to much time at "populating /dev", i want to know if someone knows something about this or how could i verify why this occur |
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| 06:44.59 | nevyn | ia64 is for itanium. |
| 06:45.18 | noisesmith | how long is "too long"? |
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| 06:45.55 | b4t1st3l4 | about 10 or more seconds |
| 06:46.00 | fireba11 | nevyn: whops .. mixed those up |
| 06:46.03 | nevyn | if he has cpu's branded xeon then they're EMT-64T |
| 06:46.12 | Romik | hi, today I have update of xserver-xorg-* and my system now to slowly |
| 06:46.18 | beardy | Probably very contextspecific. |
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| 06:46.24 | Romik | a have intel 945GM video |
| 06:46.24 | beardy | Heh. |
| 06:46.37 | Rayon | the processor is the xeon E3110 |
| 06:46.52 | nevyn | Rayon: right so amd64 is the correct arch. |
| 06:47.15 | nevyn | how many cpu's does it have? and how many core are they? |
| 06:47.38 | noisesmith | b4t1st3l4: maybe someone else knows, I don't know what would case a ten second delay off the top of my head |
| 06:48.22 | Rayon | just 1 xeon |
| 06:48.32 | Rayon | a dual core xeon |
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| 06:48.50 | nevyn | so check that you have a cpu0 and a cpu1 |
| 06:49.28 | b4t1st3l4 | noisesmith, ok, thank you |
| 06:49.29 | nevyn | ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/ |
| 06:49.35 | nevyn | should show cpu0 cpu1 |
| 06:49.43 | Rayon | sorry, but I can´t check now. I´m in home and the server is at work. |
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| 06:50.07 | nevyn | Rayon: that's what you need to check that smc is working correctly |
| 06:50.41 | Rayon | if it shows "show cpu0 cpu1", al is correct. If not? |
| 06:50.43 | nevyn | it's possilbe that debian stable doesn't have support for the heirachical scheduling stuff but that doesn't affect you. |
| 06:50.46 | noisesmith | b4t1st3l4: try adding echo statements in /etc/init.d/udev and changing the invocation of udevd to udevd -v |
| 06:50.57 | nevyn | Rayon: it will ;) |
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| 06:51.10 | Rayon | : ) |
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| 06:53.43 | nevyn | Rayon: it shouldn't print "show" it should print "cpu0 cpu1" |
| 06:54.05 | Rayon | nevyn: Only to know, the board is Intel® Entry Server Board S3200SH |
| 06:54.26 | Coke | Can someone recommend me a free PDF viewer in which you can select printer for printing easily? I've tried xpdf which requires users to write the lpr command manually (not good) and Evince which has exactly the printer selection I need, but segfualts when run over X11 on remote Windows boxes. |
| 06:54.33 | Rayon | Tomorrow I came with news. : ) |
| 06:54.35 | nevyn | Rayon: sure. |
| 06:54.43 | nevyn | Coke: kpdf |
| 06:54.46 | Rayon | Thaks for the attention |
| 06:55.03 | Coke | nevyn: ok, checking it out. |
| 06:55.30 | nevyn | Coke: actually you just need the kprint infrastructure and specify kprinter instead of lpr |
| 06:55.34 | sidhartha | hello everybody |
| 06:55.39 | nevyn | this will "fix" xpdf |
| 06:55.55 | noisesmith | hello sidhartha |
| 06:56.04 | sidhartha | i've installed opera for testing and when i launch it i get this error : |
| 06:56.26 | sidhartha | ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. Erreur de segmentation |
| 06:56.54 | sidhartha | well i've goggled around , it needed the java5-jre |
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| 06:57.19 | sidhartha | so i installed the java5-jdk (which on dependancy jre) |
| 06:57.26 | sidhartha | but still the problem |
| 06:58.08 | sidhartha | I even try to aptitude reinstall opera after the installation of java5-jdk |
| 06:58.16 | sidhartha | but still the problem |
| 06:58.24 | sidhartha | does someone experienced the problem |
| 06:58.39 | noisesmith | sidhartha: see if you have a libjvm.so.0 or something of the sort, and symlink that to libjvm.so? that would be one workaround |
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| 06:59.23 | noisesmith | sidhartha: there may also be something with ld-preload that you could use with a wrapper script |
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| 07:00.34 | sidhartha | http://rafb.net/p/H41Ul620.html |
| 07:01.01 | sidhartha | noisesmith: the 2 dll are located in my system |
| 07:01.51 | noisesmith | sidhartha: then I have no idea what would cause that error for opera, unless your ldconfig is out of sync, which seems unlikely |
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| 07:02.29 | dbmoodb | how secure is testing -- from what i have seen not very |
| 07:02.50 | dbmoodb | -- considering running lenny over ubuntu but i have problems with the security of it |
| 07:03.01 | simonrvn | !testing-security |
| 07:03.06 | simonrvn | !testing security |
| 07:03.06 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
| 07:03.18 | noisesmith | sidhartha: oh, looking closer at your error: it appears opera already is a shell script that sets LD_PRELOAD |
| 07:03.20 | dbmoodb | yeah but i saw the tracker |
| 07:03.24 | dbmoodb | for lenny it is terrible |
| 07:03.38 | noisesmith | sidhartha: I bet it is setting the LD_PRELOAD wrong for your system, but it should be a simple edit |
| 07:03.43 | simonrvn | you can stop trolling now |
| 07:03.51 | dbmoodb | i'm not trying too |
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| 07:04.01 | dbmoodb | -- i wish there was an in between testing and stable |
| 07:04.10 | dbmoodb | backports are only so good |
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| 07:05.24 | noisesmith | sidhartha: it looks like it checks your .opera/ directory for a file called javapath.txt, and that is where it expects to find those libs |
| 07:05.25 | simonrvn | it's a tracker... which means they're they're getting fixed, or not, depending on severity/relevance... |
| 07:06.50 | noisesmith | sidhartha: so put the single line "/usr/lib/jvm/java..(whichever version).../" filled in for the directory version of the jvm you want it to use |
| 07:07.22 | Romik | may be somebody know, if exists encoding for Spanish and French language, not multi-byte? |
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| 07:07.49 | sidhartha | noisesmith: i'm searching that file, not present in my .opera folder |
| 07:07.49 | Romik | like cp1251 for English and Russian |
| 07:07.59 | noisesmith | sidhartha just create the file |
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| 07:08.16 | beardy | Romik: ISO-8859-1, Latin1, isn't it? |
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| 07:08.43 | beardy | Romik: Unless you want utf-8, which is only one byte so.. what do you mean? |
| 07:09.11 | beardy | Romik: Encoding to be used where? |
| 07:09.16 | sidhartha | noisesmith: you mean i have to create a file javapath.txt in the ~/.opera/ directory ? |
| 07:09.27 | noisesmith | sidhartha: exactly |
| 07:09.32 | Romik | beardy, in mysql+php |
| 07:09.37 | noisesmith | with only one line, with the directory the .so files are in |
| 07:09.52 | Romik | beardy, thanks |
| 07:10.04 | dbmoodb | most are fixed -the high problems i see but there is one outstanding ... a 'high' one |
| 07:10.58 | simonrvn | i don't know if you've ever coded, something tells me you haven't, but sometimes bugs are hard to fix |
| 07:11.13 | dbmoodb | who are you talking to simonrvn ? |
| 07:11.43 | simonrvn | i'm talking to myself.... |
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| 07:12.27 | markybob | simonrvn i'll join you. i'm having one of those bitch nights where i look through my navy pictures. there's one of me being initiated by being sprayed with a fire hose. ah, the old days |
| 07:12.39 | noisesmith | sidhartha: if you get this same problem again with other apps, setting the JAVA_HOME shell variable may be a more widely applicable fix |
| 07:13.29 | sidhartha | noisesmith: you mean in my bash_rc, set JAVA_HOME to /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.3-1.5.0.0/ |
| 07:13.47 | noisesmith | sidhartha: yeah, and then exporting the variable |
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| 07:14.20 | asteroid | hi |
| 07:14.29 | noisesmith | sidhartha: or adding that to your /etc/profile if you have other users on the machine |
| 07:14.55 | sidhartha | ok |
| 07:15.05 | asteroid | I'm using sid, and I see man pages are colored. How the method to color them ? On my other OS I'm using most as manpager, but on my sid the default pager is less |
| 07:15.28 | asteroid | so i'm curious by knowing how man pages are colored, using less :) |
| 07:15.52 | noisesmith | asteroid: that would be affected by your .less file, among other things |
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| 07:16.07 | noisesmith | asteroid: you could also export PAGER=less |
| 07:16.12 | asteroid | this is the default one |
| 07:16.15 | noisesmith | err PAGER=most I mean |
| 07:16.19 | asteroid | MANPAGER for man |
| 07:17.01 | asteroid | but noisesmith I like those colors, and I'm looking for how is it done, I do not want to change it ;) |
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| 07:17.08 | noisesmith | asteroid: or you could just read man less., and search for color |
| 07:18.21 | Coke | OK, back to square one, kpdf either does not print at all or prints garbage. |
| 07:18.32 | asteroid | noisesmith, of course it did, but i'm not able to reproduce it on other os. |
| 07:18.41 | Coke | I need a PDF viewer that will allow me to choose the printer from a list and that can actually print PDF's. |
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| 07:19.16 | noisesmith | Coke: I think openoffice can do that (though it is a bit more than just a viewer) |
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| 07:19.58 | asteroid | Coke, evince, via gnomeprint |
| 07:20.14 | Coke | asteroid: it segfaults when run on remote X |
| 07:20.21 | noisesmith | asteroid: he already ruled evince out |
| 07:20.31 | asteroid | ok sorry |
| 07:20.46 | Coke | xpdf has no list, evince segfaults on remote X and kpdf prints garbage (it tries to print the PDF as text) |
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| 07:21.05 | Coke | And on my local computer kpdf doesn't even add a printer job. |
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| 07:21.41 | asteroid | pdftotxt ... | lpr /o\ |
| 07:21.54 | noisesmith | Coke: I have seen issues between mac and linux boxes with printing, where both are using cups but they disagree in their cups version about which end should be doing the pdf->ps formatting, could this be a similar bug? |
| 07:22.09 | noisesmith | asteroid: wow, that is scary backwards :) |
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| 07:22.46 | Coke | noisesmith: I've found errors in the cups log |
| 07:22.50 | asteroid | read, analyse, act ... like a computer may do ;) |
| 07:23.11 | Coke | noisesmith: I changed the name of one printer in the web interface, now cups is trying to print on the old name, even though all the gui interfaces show the new name |
| 07:23.15 | nevyn | Coke: did you install kprinter |
| 07:23.19 | Coke | I _HATE_ printing outside of Windows. |
| 07:23.29 | nevyn | Coke: you do have cups already right? |
| 07:23.45 | Coke | The only thing I remember about Windows the last time I used it, around 10 years ago, is that even back then at least it could print properly. |
| 07:23.50 | Coke | nevyn: mm |
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| 07:24.08 | asteroid | so folks, thx for all, see you \o_ |
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| 07:24.19 | sidhartha | noisesmith: always the problem |
| 07:24.38 | noisesmith | that did not fix it? is there a different error message? |
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| 07:24.59 | nevyn | Coke: cups + kdeprint wfm |
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| 07:26.14 | Coke | GAAAAAH! |
| 07:26.24 | Coke | The cups web interface is THUROUGHLY BROKEN |
| 07:26.24 | noisesmith | you know, that makes for a nice motto -- noisesmith: always the problem. I could see putting that on a business card |
| 07:26.33 | noisesmith | coke: tell me about it |
| 07:26.40 | Coke | When I select "modify printer", the link points to the PRINTER IP instead of the CUPS server IP. |
| 07:26.43 | Coke | WTF?! |
| 07:26.53 | noisesmith | Coke: same here |
| 07:27.27 | Coke | Ten years later and printing sucks just as much in GNU-based systems as they did in '97 |
| 07:27.34 | Coke | *stomp* |
| 07:27.59 | noisesmith | Coke: I had a bug at one point where I could not modify the mac's config of which printer to use, because all the links took me to the cups interface on the linux box, so I had to hand-write the urls... I swear I almost wrote a sed script for it |
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| 07:29.23 | Coke | noisesmith: I don't get it, what's the problem? |
| 07:29.45 | Coke | Kids write webinterfaces for their communities on a daily basis, why can't a corporate sponsored project make one? |
| 07:30.05 | noisesmith | I got mine working, and did my best to forget all the details, because it was so traumatizing |
| 07:30.15 | Coke | I understand. |
| 07:31.36 | sidhartha | noisesmith: no the same error message |
| 07:31.57 | Coke | noisesmith: and the thing is, this is such a simple technology, given that the printer manufacturers provides a ppd |
| 07:32.02 | noisesmith | sidhartha: odd, my opera works just fine, so I don't know what to tell you at this point |
| 07:32.16 | Coke | noisesmith: you receive incoming IPP, convert it to printer native language, queue it and then send it. Voila! |
| 07:32.53 | noisesmith | just imagine web frontend 2.0, "printr", with javascript dhtml, svg smoothed shiny icons, and still broken |
| 07:34.20 | noisesmith | gtg |
| 07:34.25 | Coke | noisesmith: sucks |
| 07:34.41 | Coke | Get me a CLI utility that supports tab completion |
| 07:35.12 | Coke | I tried some GTK gui written in Python which crashed when adding a PPD. |
| 07:35.34 | Coke | I'll never understand people who release broken software as stable and I don't understand how it could have made it's way to Debian Testing. |
| 07:37.19 | Hydroxide | Coke: broken software makes it into testing when nobody files release-critical bugs against it. |
| 07:37.35 | Coke | Hydroxide: gotcha |
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| 07:38.20 | Hydroxide | Coke: here's the RC policy for the current Debian testing version, lenny: http://release.debian.org/lenny/rc_policy.txt |
| 07:38.43 | Hydroxide | Coke: it's aimed at people involved with debian development, but the part at the beginning should be understandable to everyone |
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| 07:39.07 | Hydroxide | Coke: http://bugs.debian.org/ has instructions on how to file bugs, or you can use the reportbug or reportbug-ng packages |
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| 07:43.30 | crem0r | hey guys. does anyone know a good howto to convert a running etch using xinetd? |
| 07:43.49 | slxix | i don't understand what you're asking. |
| 07:43.52 | joeyjones | is it possible to install debian on a playstation 3? |
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| 07:44.27 | slxix | crem0r: you're trying to replace inetd with xinetd? |
| 07:44.53 | markybob | joeyjones absolutely. google it |
| 07:45.56 | extor | If I do a "ssh [ip] -X" and then do a "screen someXapp" would I be able to keep my X-application in limbo in a screen session, just like I can keep a curses or all text app in limbo in a screen session? |
| 07:46.16 | crem0r | slxix: only if its secure and reliable on etch. |
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| 07:46.36 | Coke | Hydroxide: actualy, this is a problem with printing |
| 07:46.58 | crem0r | slxix: is xinetd supported by debian? |
| 07:47.11 | Coke | Hydroxide: I got cups working by writing the files manually, but now it turns out that Evince disregards margins |
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| 07:47.32 | slxix | crem0r: it does on lenny. i just used aptitude to check for it. |
| 07:47.34 | Hydroxide | Coke: ah. I was just responding to the part about the GTK GUI for CUPS that crashed when adding a PPD. |
| 07:47.36 | Coke | xpdf has no printer list and evince disregards margins |
| 07:47.38 | slxix | s/does/is |
| 07:47.56 | Coke | Hydroxide: I'm just blowing off steam. I feel like hitting the authors of these softwares |
| 07:47.58 | slxix | extor: why don't you just try a test? |
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| 07:48.09 | Coke | Hydroxide: why would you even make a PDF viewer that doesn't know what a margin is? |
| 07:48.13 | extor | sighs |
| 07:48.17 | extor | any way to do that though? |
| 07:48.26 | Hydroxide | Coke: I understand. I was just trying to help you channel that steam into a productive way to improve things. and yeah, that sounds like a bad oversight. |
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| 07:49.01 | nevyn | Coke: it's not the viewer's problem. |
| 07:49.29 | crem0r | slxix: if you install new deamons with dpkg will the xinetd.conf being updated or do you have convert the /etc/inetd.conf by hand? |
| 07:50.58 | Coke | nevyn: sure it is. every viewer I've tried makes the print look differently |
| 07:51.20 | Coke | nevyn: I thought the point of using postscript and pdf was that the print would be the same. |
| 07:52.05 | slxix | crem0r: i would guess that you'll have a new configuration file. |
| 07:52.28 | Coke | Well, xpdf, ye olde application without a proper interface, is the only one that generates correct printouts from the PDF's |
| 07:53.08 | Coke | Guess my users will have to write the lpr command manually to use other printers in the building. |
| 07:53.39 | Coke | Very smooth solution, I'm sure the FUD'ers would have a field trip with this. |
| 07:53.40 | Hydroxide | Coke: doesn't it support specifying a printer command? you can use gtklp as the printer command for any users, or kprinter for kde users, or something else probably for gnome users |
| 07:53.46 | slxix | i wonder if you could run both inetd and xinetd together. |
| 07:53.52 | Hydroxide | Coke: that will let you configure all the printer options |
| 07:53.57 | Hydroxide | Coke: including which printer to use |
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| 07:54.03 | Hydroxide | Coke: they're CUPS-aware |
| 07:54.15 | simonrvn | slxix: no |
| 07:54.20 | Coke | Hydroxide: hang on, checking. |
| 07:54.23 | Hydroxide | Coke: they just print to one of those commands without specifying options, then the relevant GUI pops up |
| 07:54.32 | Hydroxide | Coke: and they can specify things there |
| 07:54.37 | Coke | Hydroxide: I don't get a preview |
| 07:54.57 | Hydroxide | Coke: oh. this does let them print to other printers in the building though |
| 07:54.59 | Coke | Hydroxide: but I guess you can't get a system that works fully anyway |
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| 07:55.16 | Coke | Ok, so either broken printing, broken GUI or broken preview? |
| 07:55.36 | Hydroxide | Coke: I'm confused. if you use xpdf to print to gtklp, what's the problem? lack of print preview? |
| 07:55.51 | Hydroxide | Coke: I don't have this problem myself, since I use kpdf and KDE |
| 07:55.52 | Coke | Hydroxide: ah, but, do I pipe it or what? |
| 07:56.00 | Coke | Hydroxide: kpdf does not print PDF's properly |
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| 07:56.18 | nevyn | Coke: what's it do wrong? |
| 07:56.24 | Coke | nevyn: margins and scale |
| 07:56.31 | Hydroxide | Coke: honestly, when you get complex enough, only Adobe Reader prints them properly |
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| 07:56.42 | Coke | Hydroxide: no, xpdf and direct lp works |
| 07:57.05 | Coke | Hydroxide: if you send it using gtklp or lpr it just works. But I'll try to use gtklp as default print command for xpdf |
| 07:57.12 | nevyn | Coke: what's the printer settings and page setup? kde will default to a4 |
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| 07:57.29 | Hydroxide | nevyn: ah yeah, that'd do it. although that depends on your settings. |
| 07:57.39 | nevyn | Hydroxide: sure. |
| 07:57.41 | Coke | nevyn: I'm using A4 |
| 07:57.42 | Hydroxide | I hope it doesn't default to a4 in US locales |
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| 07:58.00 | nevyn | Hydroxide: it should be whatever libpapersize is set to I think according to policy |
| 07:58.06 | predder | can a pid file contain more than one pid? |
| 07:58.24 | Hydroxide | nevyn: ya. in any case, for me it seems to be US letter which is correct. (not that I have a printer here right now...) |
| 07:59.20 | beardy | predder: A pid file is just a file, as any file, if you want to store two PIDs in the same file for some reason, go ahead. |
| 07:59.25 | Coke | Hydroxide: it says A4 and I use A4 |
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| 07:59.34 | Hydroxide | that's good. |
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| 07:59.59 | Coke | Hydroxide: no, the margins are still wrong |
| 08:00.11 | Hydroxide | Coke: I understand. but it's good that that isn't mismatched. |
| 08:00.19 | beardy | predder: (But the thing that reads it must be aware of that, and handle it, of course. You can't use the same file for something that excepts there only to be one number in it, of course.) |
| 08:00.39 | beardy | *expects |
| 08:00.40 | Hydroxide | Coke: I'm not sure what the cause of the problem is. try the xpdf->gtklp thing. |
| 08:00.53 | Coke | Hydroxide: anybody using an A4 paper with holes in it will be dissapointed when using the default margins with kpdf |
| 08:01.00 | Coke | Hydroxide: that worked nicely. |
| 08:01.14 | Hydroxide | Coke: good. I'm glad you have a working solution. |
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| 08:03.52 | Coke | Hydroxide: yeah, I'll just change the default command to gtklp |
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| 08:04.07 | Coke | Hydroxide: although it is possible to change the margins manually in kpdf and save them, I can't do this for every user |
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| 08:04.31 | Hydroxide | Coke: there probably is a systemwide way to set kpdf preferences, actually |
| 08:04.37 | Hydroxide | Coke: just like with all KDE stuff |
| 08:04.42 | Coke | Hydroxide: I'm still very very dissapointed that the community and corporations now involved in printing STILL have not made a working solution from beginning to end |
| 08:04.58 | Coke | Hydroxide: I wonder if printing works this bad on Mac |
| 08:05.06 | Hydroxide | Coke: sounds like a good opportunity to get involved. clearly you know what's required, at least. |
| 08:05.12 | Hydroxide | Coke: (not trying to be snarky here) |
| 08:05.39 | Coke | Hydroxide: I ususaly just give up and go with any postscript compatible printer |
| 08:05.54 | Coke | Hydroxide: just so happened that Kyocera has PPD's for all their printers, so I thought I'd try it out. |
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| 08:06.17 | Coke | But the BSD utils and PostScript is still the only fully working solution. |
| 08:06.38 | Coke | Even though it lacks an interface to printer-specific settings. |
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| 08:07.46 | Coke | Considering how big a part printing is in an office, I can't say I would recommend using GNU systems in an office, unless you have a very, very determined Linux geek that works relentlessly on getting it up an running. :) |
| 08:08.35 | Coke | Just last week I asked myself "Why would anybody use Windows?", but now I know. Hehe. |
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| 08:10.22 | Hydroxide | Coke: well, I definitely recommend that offices based on GNU/Linux have someone on staff or as a consultant who knows that stuff, yes |
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| 08:10.46 | Hydroxide | Coke: that said, paying for several hours of a consultant's time to tackle the specific problem of printing is not all that expensive |
| 08:10.47 | lonut | can any1 help me with: www.colectionarul.com/existenz1.html ? |
| 08:10.57 | Hydroxide | Coke: (for a company, I mean) |
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| 08:11.15 | Hydroxide | Coke: ideally it wouldn't even be several hours if the consultant is experienced :) |
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| 08:11.46 | Coke | Hydroxide: no, if the consultant is experienced he'll just say "sorry, there's no working printing solution for GNU systems, buy Vista" |
| 08:11.50 | Hydroxide | Coke: having administered stuff in the windows world too, I will say it's still not clear that the situation overall is better on the windows side. |
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| 08:12.01 | nevyn | Hydroxide: that's untrue. |
| 08:12.01 | Coke | Hydroxide: and even though I "solved" the problem I actualy only did a workaround |
| 08:12.18 | nevyn | Hydroxide: there are lots of mediocre windows admins out there. |
| 08:12.18 | Coke | Hydroxide: overall situation is not better on Windows, but printing sure is. |
| 08:12.29 | nevyn | most linux admins are worth something. |
| 08:12.36 | Hydroxide | Coke: right, I meant the overall situation. |
| 08:12.40 | Coke | Hydroxide: and in an office area where the concept is that workers print bills and such it's the most important feature |
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| 08:13.06 | nevyn | Coke: if it costs you money for it not to work spend money to make it work. |
| 08:13.06 | sysdef | where can i get the stex kernel module for kernel 2.6.18-6-486 (debian installer). the promise supertrak ex card is listed at http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI |
| 08:13.21 | sysdef | +? (was a question) |
| 08:13.32 | Coke | nevyn: well, I know a thing or two about unix likes, so it's not a problem |
| 08:13.35 | Hydroxide | Coke: sure, I still think the accounting/finance people need to use windows in a business for that reason, as well as the fact that there isn't any good equivalent of QuickBooks (GNUCash isn't it) |
| 08:13.46 | beardy | Coke: It's just what people are used to. It's not harder to configure their printer once, by typing it in, or what the thing was. It takes three braincells to learn somethign slightly different. |
| 08:13.50 | Coke | But I can see why a regular company who doesn't have a geek employed would go with Vista |
| 08:14.06 | Coke | beardy: I can't have them write lpr commands manually |
| 08:14.25 | beardy | Such a company don't know of anything else, because they have never seen, or heard of it. |
| 08:14.40 | Coke | beardy: and they should stay clear of GNU if printing is important to them |
| 08:14.43 | beardy | Coke: Not even once? Or do they have to do it each time? |
| 08:14.58 | Coke | beardy: they have to do it every time they wish to change printer |
| 08:15.05 | beardy | I haven't read all of your discussion. |
| 08:15.21 | Hydroxide | Coke: gtklp lets them select the printer from within gtklp |
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| 08:15.33 | Hydroxide | Coke: so they don't have to re-specify that each time |
| 08:15.44 | Hydroxide | Coke: and they have access to all the options of the PPD for each printer |
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| 08:15.51 | masgandhul | why debian 32 cant used in 64? but UUE 1.6 can do it? I need debian. but now i use UUE 1.6 with repo for debian |
| 08:15.51 | Coke | beardy: all I know is that Microsoft has somehow mastered the technology of making print previews, margins, etc and the actual print looking the same |
| 08:15.59 | beardy | Well.. are they that stupid? It is not so hard, to print(!) out an instruction describing each printer.. if they have ever typed, they will soon find it is faster than scrolling, clicking and so on, in a tree. |
| 08:16.03 | Coke | Hydroxide: yes, xpdf + gtklp is a nice workaround |
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| 08:16.37 | Coke | beardy: dude. you can't run the "re-educate" argument because I know it's bullshit |
| 08:16.48 | Hydroxide | Coke: this seems like a really important issue to you. would you like some pointers as to how to get involved to deal with it? the "community" you mentioned is made up of people like you |
| 08:16.57 | Coke | Hydroxide: no |
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| 08:17.03 | Coke | Hydroxide: I never release crap |
| 08:17.06 | beardy | Hydroxide: I hope not.. |
| 08:17.18 | masgandhul | why debian 32 cant used in 64? but UUE 1.6 can do it? I need debian. but now i use UUE 1.6 with repo for debian |
| 08:17.22 | Hydroxide | Coke: so? I don't either. I still help out by fixing, packaging, bug reporting, etc |
| 08:17.23 | Coke | Hydroxide: I was known as the "pedantic" in my days as a developer |
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| 08:17.29 | Coke | Hydroxide: Oh, I do that too |
| 08:17.30 | Hydroxide | Coke: I'm not talking about writing code |
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| 08:17.36 | Rada_ | Hi debian |
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| 08:18.05 | Hydroxide | Coke: maybe at least make sure that bugs are filed for all the issues you've found in this effort, report the ones that are missing, and add any relevant missing information to existing reports? |
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| 08:18.14 | Rada | I'm trying to use apt from a script. |
| 08:18.17 | Hydroxide | Coke: (and choose appropriate severities in whatever bug tracking systems apply) |
| 08:18.19 | Coke | Hydroxide: I usually file bugs using the nifty reportbug, but right now I work 16 hour shifts 7 days a week, we are in a rush and all I wanted right now was to make it easy for the users to select the printer to use. |
| 08:18.21 | Rada | Obviously, that's impossible. |
| 08:18.23 | masgandhul | my debian etch didnt well and i can getin after installation, only blank screen |
| 08:18.30 | Rada | How would I otherwise install software from a script? |
| 08:18.34 | Hydroxide | Coke: ok, that makes sense. good luck :) file the bugs when things calm down then. |
| 08:18.46 | Coke | Rada: why is that impossible? |
| 08:18.47 | Hydroxide | Coke: sorry to hear about the huge hours |
| 08:18.58 | Coke | Hydroxide: well, it's $ |
| 08:19.18 | Hydroxide | Coke: I should hope so with those kind of hours :) |
| 08:19.18 | Rada | Coke: It compains about no terminal, no env vars, no PATH, that the world is evil and that it want's to die. |
| 08:19.29 | Coke | Hydroxide: Now I have to write a Qt interface for weekly planning of shipments. |
| 08:19.35 | Coke | Rada: what script are you running it from? |
| 08:19.36 | sysdef | where can i contact the debian installer team? |
| 08:19.43 | Rada | Coke: *a* script. |
| 08:19.54 | Hydroxide | sysdef: for what purpose? |
| 08:19.57 | Rada | #!/bin/sh |
| 08:19.59 | Coke | Rada: just a regular bash hack |
| 08:20.00 | Hydroxide | sysdef: (the right method depends on the purpose) |
| 08:20.01 | Coke | Ah, ok. |
| 08:20.02 | Rada | apt-get update |
| 08:20.06 | Rada | apt-get install blah |
| 08:20.22 | Rada | exit; |
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| 08:20.32 | sysdef | Hydroxide: my question: where can i get the stex kernel module for kernel 2.6.18-6-486 (debian installer)? the promise supertrak ex card is listed at http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI |
| 08:20.43 | Rada | How would I go about getting apt to let me do it? |
| 08:20.51 | Coke | Rada: works fine for me |
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| 08:21.00 | Rada | I mean, it's run by the system, not manually. |
| 08:21.20 | Coke | Rada: as what user and how? cron? |
| 08:21.26 | Rada | Yes. |
| 08:21.30 | Hydroxide | sysdef: are you just trying to extract the module from the installer's kernel, or do you not see it there and want to find it? |
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| 08:22.30 | Coke | Rada: it's difficult to say without having access to the system, but make sure the script is run by root. |
| 08:22.39 | Ademan | hey does anyone know if apt is able to download multiple packages concurrently? |
| 08:22.52 | beardy | Why. |
| 08:22.55 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 08:22.55 | dpkg | aptitude is probably now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 08:23.38 | sysdef | Hydroxide: the installer don't detect the card automaticly and stex isn't in the list. also i miss the module in /lib/modules/... but i can use a floppy drive to load the module (if i have the lkm) |
| 08:23.47 | sysdef | s/if/when/ |
| 08:24.08 | Ademan | beardy: can/does aptitude use apt's existing backends for downloading? |
| 08:24.17 | Hydroxide | sysdef: you can do basically anything you want during the installer - you have a shell prompt, network access, ssh, peripherals access, etc. including loading modules |
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| 08:24.24 | Hydroxide | sysdef: but, which version of the installer are you using? |
| 08:24.53 | Eulex | sysdef, it appears that the 2.6.18 kernel doesn't have that module; check out etch and a half |
| 08:24.55 | sysdef | Hydroxide: the latest debian etch netinstall cd |
| 08:25.37 | beardy | Ademan: Define "apt", but yes. |
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| 08:25.47 | sarefo | hi, my freshly installed lenny says i only have a partial acpi installation (kde kcontrol), and that i need to rebuild my kernel. is there no easier way to get my machine to suspend to disk? |
| 08:25.53 | sysdef | Eulex: i need to run debian stable on that machine because it's a server |
| 08:26.14 | Hydroxide | sysdef: etchandahalf is stable, just with a newer kernel. it's still security supported by the stable release team. |
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| 08:26.29 | Hydroxide | sysdef: well, it's currently a proposed update to stable - it will become Debian 4.0r4 |
| 08:26.33 | Eulex | syscrash, so, did you read what etch and a half is? |
| 08:26.34 | Hydroxide | sysdef: still etch though |
| 08:26.39 | Hydroxide | Eulex: wrong person |
| 08:26.47 | yigal | could anyone point me to a slim biff program, cli is fine, that can handle gmail as an imap account? |
| 08:26.48 | Ademan | beardy: crap used by apt-get? stuff in /usr/lib/apt/methods |
| 08:27.08 | Eulex | Hydroxide, yep |
| 08:27.40 | Superbartt | yigal i use gnubiff (for gnome) and it works fine ^^ |
| 08:27.56 | Hydroxide | sysdef: take a look here: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 08:28.15 | yigal | Superbartt: what do you use for the address? |
| 08:28.16 | Hydroxide | sysdef: it gives you a way to install etch using a lenny debian-installer and the etchandahalf kernel |
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| 08:28.32 | dbmoodb | hi so is debian testing secue ? |
| 08:28.32 | yigal | Superbartt: if you don't mind me asking :) |
| 08:28.38 | beardy | Ademan: That's what it uses AFAIK yes. It uses the same sources.list, as these methods seem to be binaries, yes. |
| 08:28.45 | Superbartt | me@gmail.com |
| 08:28.46 | dbmoodb | this is my question |
| 08:28.51 | Superbartt | or do you mean server adresses? |
| 08:28.52 | Ademan | thanks beardy |
| 08:29.03 | Hydroxide | dbmoodb: it has its own security team, separate from the stable security team. it's not as guaranteed secure as the stable distribution, but they do a pretty good job. |
| 08:29.08 | yigal | Superbartt: I mean something like: imaps://imap.gmail.com ? |
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| 08:29.27 | yigal | Superbartt: I mean something like: imaps://imap.gmail.com:993, I can't get it to connect |
| 08:29.40 | mib_pzalti | hi does a virtual midi keyb exists for deb? |
| 08:29.51 | dbmoodb | i am just looking at hardy and going oh look its an lts .. that is what .. so testing is pretty good these days -- sorry to bother you people again (i was on just before ) |
| 08:30.12 | Hydroxide | dbmoodb: it usually is pretty good, and now is not an exception. |
| 08:30.25 | Superbartt | http://dump.barthezz.name/images/screenshots/Screenshot-Mailbox%20properties.png @ yigal |
| 08:30.38 | Hydroxide | dbmoodb: by contrast, I've heard lots of reports of problems with hardy, but I don't have enough details handy to elaborate further |
| 08:30.40 | dbmoodb | ok .... i'm trying to compare it with hardy -- can't find any ubuntu sites like the tracker thing |
| 08:30.49 | Coke | dbmoodb: I use testing on all workstations, aside from a few applications not being bugfree, the Debian stuff is rather stable |
| 08:30.51 | dbmoodb | -- Hydroxide -- lots of bugs in it |
| 08:30.51 | yigal | Superbartt: you rock, thank you |
| 08:30.58 | dbmoodb | i know Coke |
| 08:31.08 | yigal | Superbartt: I complicate things :) |
| 08:31.20 | Hydroxide | dbmoodb: the usual differences between debian and ubuntu continue to apply. overall, testing is pretty well working. |
| 08:31.21 | Superbartt | no problem :) you could have found it on google ;) |
| 08:31.48 | yigal | Superbartt: but it appears as though there are no special needs for ports etc. |
| 08:31.51 | Coke | dbmoodb: I didn't see your original question, is the problem that stable provides outdated drivers? |
| 08:31.58 | dbmoodb | no Coke outdated apps |
| 08:32.12 | Superbartt | no ofc not :p why do something difficult when you could use default ports yigal :p |
| 08:32.15 | Coke | dbmoodb: hm. oh. well, then Testing won't suit your needs either, probably. |
| 08:32.17 | Eulex | dbmoodb, any specific problem? |
| 08:32.23 | dbmoodb | Coke: it does |
| 08:32.39 | yigal | Superbartt: too tired to disagree, anyway thanks again |
| 08:32.42 | Coke | dbmoodb: ok. I've noticed that it has rather late releases of some libraries due to bugs found |
| 08:32.43 | dbmoodb | just general things - pidgin, amarok (new) faad ffmpeg, ah .... new drivers, kernel |
| 08:32.50 | Superbartt | :) |
| 08:32.57 | dbmoodb | ipod support |
| 08:33.02 | dbmoodb | graphics ... looks better |
| 08:33.11 | Coke | dbmoodb: I had a friend who tested ubuntu, xubuntu, debian stable, testing and fedora |
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| 08:33.22 | dbmoodb | yeah |
| 08:33.32 | Coke | dbmoodb: he sticks with Fedora now because of the fancy glitz-based opengl desktop and latest versions of media players. |
| 08:33.35 | dbmoodb | fedora isn't for me , ubuntu is ok xubuntu is fine |
| 08:33.43 | mib_lgi1jf | hi doeas a virtual midi keyboard exists for debian? |
| 08:33.46 | Coke | dbmoodb: including mp3 support from suplemental repos |
| 08:34.02 | dbmoodb | mmm? |
| 08:34.16 | Coke | dbmoodb: well... I think most Debian users think like me, they prefer outdated over broken |
| 08:34.25 | sidhartha | do you know a light graphical web browser |
| 08:34.29 | Eulex | mib_lgi1jf, did you search? |
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| 08:34.34 | dbmoodb | well i can't use an ipod on etch |
| 08:34.40 | dbmoodb | really ... |
| 08:34.45 | Hydroxide | Coke: that said, debian is pretty up-to-date nowadays in both testing and unstable, even given the caveats you've mentioned |
| 08:34.49 | Eulex | sidewalk, xlinks2 |
| 08:34.57 | dbmoodb | the new ipods |
| 08:35.10 | sidhartha | i 'm very disappointed with iceweasel , and his RAM eating |
| 08:35.16 | Coke | dbmoodb: my friend says his video out, wlan, 3d desktop and media players worked the best in Fedoral. |
| 08:35.19 | Coke | -l |
| 08:35.33 | Coke | sidhartha: iceweasel just isn't as good as firefox |
| 08:35.37 | dbmoodb | Coke: i am an lenny, etch and hardy user |
| 08:35.48 | Eulex | Coke, emh, it's identical |
| 08:35.50 | dbmoodb | eh not as good i find it better |
| 08:35.50 | markybob | Coke you're insane. it's the same code base |
| 08:35.58 | dbmoodb | Coke: i prefer the weasel |
| 08:36.04 | sidhartha | Coke it's the same isn't it |
| 08:36.06 | markybob | Coke lookup iceweasel before you say stupid shit like that |
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| 08:36.17 | Coke | markybob & Eulex: except that the latest firefox is 4-6 weeks newer than the latest Testing Iceweasel |
| 08:36.18 | Rada | !aptitude-fu |
| 08:36.18 | dpkg | To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBsuggests:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; install without recommends but not uninstalling other recommends: aptitude install -R -o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true |
| 08:36.37 | beardy | !SNS |
| 08:36.42 | mib_lgi1jf | hi doeas a virtual midi keyboard exists for debian? |
| 08:36.45 | dbmoodb | i would run etch if i could get a few things |
| 08:37.08 | Rada | Coke: The script is in roots crontab. |
| 08:37.09 | markybob | Coke no. latest firefox is 2.0.0.14 as is the same as lenny |
| 08:37.12 | Eulex | Coke, testing has 2.0.0.14. which is the newest one. |
| 08:37.13 | markybob | Coke nice try, though |
| 08:37.20 | Coke | sidhartha: really, if firefox and iceweasel are identical, why isn't firefox a package in Debian? |
| 08:37.21 | dbmoodb | what is this misc-backports ? |
| 08:37.21 | Eulex | !tell mib_lgi1jf about search |
| 08:37.32 | markybob | Coke look it UP |
| 08:37.32 | dbmoodb | !misc-backports |
| 08:37.34 | markybob | !iceweasel |
| 08:37.35 | dpkg | it has been said that iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 08:37.40 | Coke | markybob: some patent issue? |
| 08:37.44 | dbmoodb | mmm ? what is misc backports ? |
| 08:37.45 | sidhartha | Coke: because of licence problem with the name of firefox |
| 08:37.49 | markybob | Coke it has to do with branding/trademark, not actual code |
| 08:37.52 | Eulex | !tell Coke about why iceweasel |
| 08:37.53 | sidhartha | if i rememeber weel |
| 08:38.01 | sidhartha | well |
| 08:38.16 | Superbartt | !why iceweasel |
| 08:38.17 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
| 08:38.33 | Coke | markybob: well, whatever you say, bub, but I've had issues with Testing iceweasel that firefox 2.0.0.14 managed. could be some dependency library issue. |
| 08:38.39 | Superbartt | explains something :) |
| 08:39.14 | sidhartha | does someone uses another web browser than iceweasel ? |
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| 08:39.22 | beardy | Yes. |
| 08:39.29 | markybob | sidewalk i use dip browser |
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| 08:39.38 | Coke | Why would Mozilla do this? Are they turning into the next Netscape or next Microsoft? |
| 08:39.52 | Superbartt | i have opera and galeon installed, but i prefer firefox/iceweasel |
| 08:40.05 | markybob | Coke please google or read the info on the iceweasel/icecat website |
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| 08:40.06 | Coke | "Holy shit, our free software has become popular thanks to our budding community, let's become soulless cash whores and revoke all freedom!" |
| 08:40.38 | beardy | Your statements do not match entirely. "dude". |
| 08:40.41 | markybob | sidhartha i use dip browser |
| 08:40.41 | dbmoodb | oh i found my solution |
| 08:40.45 | dbmoodb | they are backported |
| 08:40.48 | sidhartha | yesterday , i was amazed, i was opening many tabs in FF, , a top showed me my system was begining to swap |
| 08:41.01 | sidhartha | i closed some tabs -> nothing change |
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| 08:41.17 | sidhartha | i close firefox -> notihing changed |
| 08:41.31 | Hydroxide | Coke: I'm not a fan of Mozilla's move there, and neither is anyone in Debian really, certainly not the Iceweasel maintainer. |
| 08:41.38 | sidhartha | so the RAM freed by firefox hasn't been reallocated |
| 08:41.51 | Eulex | sidhartha, define 'nothing changed' |
| 08:42.04 | Coke | Hydroxide: well, it just proves what I've always known; fame and fortune makes everybody soulless cash whores |
| 08:42.06 | markybob | sidhartha it's not really supposed to be. cached ram is supposed to act like that |
| 08:42.08 | sidhartha | the top command |
| 08:42.09 | Eulex | sidhartha, I seriously doubt that the ram used by firefox wasn't freed when it exited. |
| 08:42.17 | Eulex | sidhartha, what didn't change? |
| 08:42.19 | sidhartha | showed me the same RAM consuption |
| 08:42.28 | Hydroxide | Coke: but aside from branding, and the usual ways Debian has always integrated firefox (e.g. disabling auto-updates for the application part and putting things in more standard filesystem locations), it's still firefox |
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| 08:42.36 | Eulex | sidhartha, of what? |
| 08:42.49 | Hydroxide | Coke: and yes, what you say has some truth to it :) |
| 08:42.50 | sidhartha | sorry the RAM used/unused |
| 08:42.53 | Superbartt | sidhartha, firefox still maintains tabs when you close them, so you can easily reopen them from cache, you should google up the setting if you want it to use less ram |
| 08:43.21 | Eulex | sidhartha, and you're sure that it wasn't something else using the ram in question? |
| 08:43.40 | sidhartha | Superbartt: yes but when you close firefox, the RAM should be freed, no ? |
| 08:43.58 | Superbartt | yes, and it does sidhartha |
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| 08:44.03 | Eulex | sidhartha, note that firefox won't exit until you close all windows in use by it |
| 08:44.15 | Eulex | sidhartha, including any stray download manager window you might have open |
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| 08:44.55 | sidhartha | ok i will re do some test before insulting firefox |
| 08:44.57 | dbmoodb | oh i see i don't actually need .. great i can reinstall etch |
| 08:44.58 | dbmoodb | fun |
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| 08:45.11 | Hydroxide | dbmoodb: enjoy |
| 08:45.14 | Rada | I get this when trying to do an automated software install: http://aptitude.pastebin.com/m4f895312 |
| 08:45.18 | Rada | What should I do? |
| 08:45.22 | dbmoodb | i didn't know about that backport tree |
| 08:46.17 | dbmoodb | still is lenny good ? |
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| 08:46.46 | Eulex | Rada, basically, you can't do that, because it requires an interactive console. also, it needs to be run as root. why do you need to do that? |
| 08:46.49 | dbmoodb | would you run a ssh interneted server on it ? |
| 08:46.53 | Rada | It is root. |
| 08:47.05 | Hydroxide | dbmoodb: depends on your personal requirements and judgment. |
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| 08:47.28 | dbmoodb | who here thinks that that would be fine ? |
| 08:47.28 | Eulex | Rada, if it were root, it would find the commands in question that it doesn't find. |
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| 08:47.35 | Rada | Because I need to push automated "update packages" to a server that I won't be able to reach through ssh (long story) |
| 08:47.39 | dbmoodb | -- that is my question |
| 08:47.53 | Rada | Also, it is not run by a user. It is run from a script in cron. |
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| 08:48.01 | Rada | roots crontab, that is. |
| 08:48.01 | Hydroxide | dbmoodb: it's not a popularity contest. you have to consider the specific situation you're in |
| 08:48.27 | dbmoodb | well i need a person who is doing it |
| 08:48.40 | themill | Rada: have you looked at cron-apt? (I don't know the context of what you are asking...) |
| 08:48.45 | Rada | dbmoodb: What's an interneted ssh server? |
| 08:48.48 | dbmoodb | i just don't do things unless i can have some one else going yeah it is fine for the most part |
| 08:48.51 | Hydroxide | dbmoodb: e.g., how good are you at keeping up on updates? how many ports is it listening on? how many people have accounts? do you have strong passwods? do you trust your users? what level of risk are you willing to accept? et cetera |
| 08:48.52 | Rada | themill: thanks |
| 08:49.02 | dbmoodb | one person me |
| 08:49.11 | dbmoodb | ah update a lot, one port strong passwords yes |
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| 08:49.27 | dbmoodb | -- i'm worried about possible kernel / ssh exploits from lenny that is all |
| 08:49.29 | Hydroxide | dbmoodb: I can tell you that I run a machine with sid/unstable that has publically accessible ssh (I'm the only user though) |
| 08:49.37 | dbmoodb | ok |
| 08:49.41 | dbmoodb | that is enough |
| 08:49.44 | dbmoodb | thank you |
| 08:49.48 | Hydroxide | dbmoodb: ok |
| 08:49.51 | dbmoodb | done |
| 08:49.52 | markybob | dbmoodb install fail2ban |
| 08:49.53 | themill | dbmoodb: you should run something like fail2ban |
| 08:49.55 | dbmoodb | i do |
| 08:51.41 | justnuts | does rsync locks a file while its copying it? |
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| 08:52.00 | liable | nope |
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| 08:54.15 | justnuts | liable: which technically means if a large file is being constantly written to ... rsync may not be the right tool... i suppose snapshotting the file would assist eg lvm snapshot? |
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| 08:55.08 | justnuts | some of my backup-ed files were corrupted after rsync-ing ..which defeats the purpose |
| 08:55.37 | liable | justnuts: i'm not sure of a good way around that problem |
| 08:55.59 | liable | but yes, having a copy thats not being written to is needed. |
| 08:56.29 | liable | hmm, |
| 08:56.40 | justnuts | life doesn;t seems to be easy ...sigh |
| 08:56.55 | liable | maybe it does |
| 08:57.41 | liable | http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2004-August/010237.html |
| 08:58.02 | liable | http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2004-August/010239.html |
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| 09:01.13 | justnuts | liable: interesting |
| 09:01.42 | sortudo_78 | Please, how do i put a folder definitively in the path? |
| 09:02.44 | justnuts | sortudo_78: i think its under /etc/profile ... i'm 50% sure |
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| 09:03.17 | themill | !tell sortudo_78 about path |
| 09:03.28 | sortudo_78 | there is any comannd to put a directory ina path? |
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| 09:04.19 | justnuts | found this: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/prepostpath.htm |
| 09:04.28 | themill | sortudo_78: temporarily: export PATH=/your/new/path:$PATH |
| 09:04.43 | themill | sortudo_78: permanently: see what dpkg told you and put a line like that in your ~/.bashrc |
| 09:04.47 | justnuts | if its for the occasioanal use.. i normally just %export PATH=/new/folder:$PATH |
| 09:05.03 | sortudo_78 | thanks very much for everybody |
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| 09:08.02 | justnuts | liable: i'd read both pages. hmm .. if a user is modifying a file and the root is rsyncing it ... is it possible that corruption might occur? shouldn't happen but i'll test this tonight anyway ... maybe i should memtest and fsck as well |
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| 09:09.09 | SolidSlash | hey, can someone with Sid check if he can install libffi4 ? |
| 09:09.11 | liable | justnuts: those pages i linked seem to be in relation to the box being copied to, dunno about the box being copied from. google should have more info. its not something i am really familiar with |
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| 09:10.21 | justnuts | liable: cheers ..thx |
| 09:11.24 | liable | i guess i shouldn't really comment when i dont know, but i cant help myself.. |
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| 09:14.58 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:14.58 | dpkg | <yazid> "dumb client with the fewest moving parts" .. a phrase dangerous when overheard by strangers out of the IT office ;) |
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| 09:18.08 | themill | !tell DocMAX78 about root |
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| 09:18.36 | Pascal_1 | hello |
| 09:19.00 | Pascal_1 | what is the best way to install e17 on a fresh install debian etch whith no graphical interface ? |
| 09:19.42 | liable | wget its sources and build |
| 09:19.52 | Pascal_1 | no repository ? |
| 09:19.59 | Guerin | the best way is not at all |
| 09:20.03 | liable | not that i know of |
| 09:20.11 | Eulex | Pascal_1, no official one, at least |
| 09:20.15 | Guerin | but hey, if you like using half-made software don't let us stand in your way |
| 09:20.15 | Bushmills | Pascal_1: there is a page on the debian wiki |
| 09:20.18 | liable | wishes he just fucking release it already |
| 09:20.20 | Guerin | !dr17 |
| 09:20.21 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://xsm.alphagemini.org/E17/ |
| 09:20.25 | Guerin | try that |
| 09:20.28 | beardy | Hi Guerin |
| 09:20.34 | Bushmills | http://wiki.debian.org/PkgE |
| 09:20.39 | Guerin | beardy: greetings, bearded one |
| 09:21.09 | Bushmills | refers to the #pkg-e channel on this irc net |
| 09:22.10 | Pascal_1 | can i use this : http://xsm.alphagemini.org/E17/repository/ ? |
| 09:22.32 | Guerin | !htfswk Pascal_1 |
| 09:22.32 | dpkg | Pascal_1: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 09:22.38 | Guerin | suck and see |
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| 09:36.50 | the_sniff | anyone here knows how to make postfix delete messages that get certian errors? (like a time out, unknown user etc) |
| 09:38.39 | markybob | the_sniff you'd be better off in #postfix |
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| 09:40.50 | the_sniff | yeah but no one is there |
| 09:41.27 | slxix | channel has 185 in it. |
| 09:41.40 | slxix | O:) |
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| 09:41.45 | the_sniff | yeah :eso |
| 09:42.59 | slxix | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-postfix-flush-mail-queue.html |
| 09:43.03 | slxix | is that relevant? |
| 09:44.28 | slxix | make sure you read the article discussion before running the script provided. |
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| 09:45.21 | jorge_ | hi |
| 09:45.40 | jorge_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:45.51 | jorge_ | i have a dell poweredge 2950 |
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| 09:46.09 | jorge_ | when i boot when a rescue cd , cd is sda and disk sdb |
| 09:46.16 | jorge_ | but i need to invert this order |
| 09:46.34 | jorge_ | i probed with mknod and nothing |
| 09:46.42 | slxix | you could try changing it in your bios. |
| 09:46.58 | jorge_ | bios, don't have this option |
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| 09:47.08 | jorge_ | only can enable or disable |
| 09:47.42 | jorge_ | someone know some boot modifier to avoid to load sg module ? |
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| 09:47.55 | and][ng | hello |
| 09:48.16 | Eulex | !tell jorge_ about blacklist |
| 09:48.19 | slxix | hi and][ng |
| 09:48.48 | jorge_ | thanks Eulex, but this is able to run at boot ? |
| 09:49.34 | liable | meh, why cant iceweasel open .c files without going into infinate tab opening loop |
| 09:49.42 | nirupama | I am unable to suspend my laptop |
| 09:49.54 | Eulex | jorge_, ask dpkg about blacklist-initramfs (as that factoid told you) for info on blacklisting stuff that is automatically loading from an initrd |
| 09:50.02 | nirupama | I am using s2ram --force --vbe_mode |
| 09:50.14 | slxix | nirupama: what model laptop? |
| 09:50.15 | nirupama | it suspends but I am unable to wake up the system |
| 09:50.16 | and][ng | I've got a question on for days, I want to launch vncserver at boot time as a user, I'm using start-stop-daemon but I'm having some env issues |
| 09:50.24 | nirupama | slxix, its sony vaio |
| 09:50.26 | Eulex | nirupama, tried pm-suspend? |
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| 09:50.31 | telmich | hello |
| 09:50.34 | and][ng | what' s the right way to do it |
| 09:50.35 | nirupama | Eulex, is it a command |
| 09:50.37 | and][ng | ? |
| 09:50.39 | Eulex | nirupama, there are many models of sony vaio |
| 09:50.41 | Eulex | nirupama, yes. |
| 09:50.51 | nirupama | Eulex, yes its sony vaio VGN-TZ17GN |
| 09:51.00 | CoolCold | hi |
| 09:51.13 | telmich | I am looking for the debian-way to add additional addresses to the loopbackinterfaces on bootup and set it to non-arp |
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| 09:51.35 | CoolCold | anybody knows linux analog to freebsd's netstat -Lan, i wanna see socket's listen queues |
| 09:51.57 | slxix | nirupama: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2008-April/034813.html is about the best reference i can give you. |
| 09:52.11 | telmich | anyone a hint, how that would be made mostly beautiful according to debian way? the loopback option seems not to have an up section, as static has in interfacas |
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| 09:52.52 | Eulex | nirupama, http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-suspend-index.html |
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| 09:53.36 | slxix | CoolCold: netstat -lan? :) |
| 09:53.39 | themill | !suspend troubleshooting |
| 09:53.39 | dpkg | A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk problems is at http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram . The tools it talks about are available in the debian package uswsusp. |
| 09:54.20 | CoolCold | slxix: and where is listen queue size there? |
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| 09:55.23 | slxix | -laneev? |
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| 09:55.47 | lkthomas | does anyone have any idea how to use maildroprc to point maildrop deliver to right maildir ? |
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| 09:56.39 | hjb | Hi. I'm running lenny. When i execute "reboot", instead of doing a real reboot, a new kernel is loaded and started. That sucks. How can i switch it off? |
| 09:56.47 | slxix | CoolCold: yes/no? |
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| 09:57.07 | CoolCold | slxix: i don't see them anyway, show me example of your output |
| 09:57.23 | slxix | er, ok. give me a moment. will msg. |
| 09:57.30 | themill | !tell kevix about root |
| 09:59.22 | Eulex | hjb, try -f |
| 09:59.42 | thnee | how can i change the default editor that is used by crontab -e? |
| 09:59.58 | ex1stenz | can any1 tell me if the page opens? http://www.colectionarul.com/existenz1.html |
| 10:00.08 | slxix | ex1stenz: stop spamming. |
| 10:00.16 | hjb | Eulex Hmm, i'll try... will be right back :-) |
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| 10:01.21 | slxix | CoolCold: sorry, i don't know. |
| 10:01.25 | markybob | thnee man update-alternatives |
| 10:01.38 | mquin | thnee: set your EDITOR or VISUAL environment variables to the editor you wish to use |
| 10:02.17 | thnee | mquin: how does it choose between EDITOR and VISUAL? |
| 10:02.34 | Guerin | thnee: presence of x |
| 10:02.54 | thnee | Guerin: how does it determine presence of X? |
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| 10:03.03 | mquin | it doesn't |
| 10:03.13 | Eulex | thnee, $DISPLAY, I assume |
| 10:03.14 | Orion_X11 | When I update my source.list it says that there is duplicated list. But, I had a look in it and can't find this. Is there a command line for getting rid of this duplicated source? |
| 10:03.19 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:03.28 | thnee | allright |
| 10:03.31 | hjb | Eulex :-| -f was like pressing the "reset" button |
| 10:03.49 | hjb | Eulex Probably not what i intended. No shutdown script were run etc... |
| 10:03.49 | Guerin | Orion_X11: depends where it is. rename it to sources.list.nonexistent |
| 10:03.58 | Eulex | hjb, ouch |
| 10:04.18 | Orion_X11 | Guerin: I mean not a list, But line inside the source.list |
| 10:04.19 | hjb | Eulex As long as i can see, no data were lost :-) |
| 10:04.53 | Guerin | Orion_X11: comment one line at a time until it goes away |
| 10:04.59 | hjb | Eulex I have a second machine here running the same debian version "lenny" which behaves normally on "reboot" |
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| 10:05.05 | Eulex | hjb, you could try shutdown -r now |
| 10:05.42 | Eulex | hjb, it sounds like the one you're currently using is using a new kernel feature to 'reload' linux without rebooting the machine. I must say I've never seen that before. |
| 10:05.44 | slxix | i use shutdown -r now. what's this reboot command? :) |
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| 10:06.22 | hjb | Eulex I think it came with 2.6.21 .22 |
| 10:06.44 | thnee | so how is stdout/stderr handled when running crontab commands? |
| 10:06.50 | Eulex | hjb, current lenny is 2.6.24 |
| 10:06.50 | hjb | Eulex Can't remember. But it's a plain debian kernel and i have never activated it :-/ |
| 10:07.07 | hjb | Eulex 2.6.24 is what i'm running now |
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| 10:07.12 | Guerin | thnee: sounds like you need to read the manpage for run-parts |
| 10:07.41 | Guerin | i think that's TRFM |
| 10:08.03 | hjb | Eulex I'll try "shutdown -r" now. But before that i'll issue a "sync" ;-) |
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| 10:08.56 | slxix | "shutdown -r now" should run your shutdown scripts. |
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| 10:11.24 | hjb | Eulex shutdown -r does the same as reboot |
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| 10:11.48 | Eulex | hjb, heh, very interesting. |
| 10:11.55 | kevix | hjb: and dont forget runlevel 6 |
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| 10:12.10 | Eulex | hjb, you do have acpi or apm, right? |
| 10:12.18 | thnee | Guerin: before i read that, what i want to do is to check what happened, because the desired result was not achieved. i have this in my crontab: "*/1 * * * * /home/thnee/doxygen/generate.sh" and that command is correct. if i run it from the terminal, the documentation is updated, but the documentation never gets updated when i just wait for the crontab |
| 10:12.28 | and][ng | Eulex: I had to switch acpi off in bios |
| 10:12.54 | hjb | Eulex right, i have acpi, as this is a laptop where i need it for pm. btw. it's linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 10:13.29 | hjb | Eulex Is this problem acpi related? |
| 10:13.40 | BubbaT | Can someone suggest a good build-your-own live distro based on debian? |
| 10:13.55 | BubbaT | Similar to BartsPE? |
| 10:14.06 | Eulex | hjb, no idea |
| 10:14.13 | Eulex | BubbaT, debian live |
| 10:14.36 | Eulex | !tell BubbaT about debian live |
| 10:14.49 | and][ng | BubbaT: IDK BartsPE but recently I searched the same and I found dsfutils, cdboot and debootstrap for debian |
| 10:15.04 | and][ng | Eulex: does Debian Live allow to add packages easily? |
| 10:15.10 | BubbaT | Eulex thanks. |
| 10:15.16 | slxix | BubbaT: for CD or USB key? |
| 10:15.58 | and][ng | !tell and][ng about debian live |
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| 10:15.58 | BubbaT | slxix, CD |
| 10:16.09 | Eulex | and][ng, you can create your own cd with the exact packages _you_ want |
| 10:17.24 | and][ng | Eulex: actually I'd like to create a minimal live with two apps that are not in any repository |
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| 10:18.16 | Eulex | and][ng, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ#head-dea964820501e7f4d819fc142e148752ab6c5d0b |
| 10:18.24 | mavhk | is there a recommended way to make iptables stuff permament? |
| 10:18.29 | and][ng | namely irsim and magic vlsi tools, actually a guy asked info about license on magic-dev as he was creating packages but it's stil only one of them |
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| 10:18.47 | markybob | mavhk /etc/init.d/iptables tends to take care of that |
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| 10:19.27 | hjb | Eulex telinit 6 does the same thing |
| 10:20.17 | mquin | mavhk: use iptables-save to write your configuraiton out somewhere, then call iptables-restore from an 'up' staement in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:20.36 | Eulex | hjb, I'd suggest googling; I've never seen this before. I just knew it was possible, not that it was actually used under some circumstances by reboot etc... |
| 10:21.03 | mquin | markybob: /etc/init.d/iptables was removed from debian some time ago |
| 10:21.41 | hjb | Eulex I can't belive that i'm the only one running a plain vanilla debian kernel who's experiencing this. Strange |
| 10:21.52 | hjb | Eulex But google may be a good idea |
| 10:22.32 | slxix | most people run plain vanilla debian kernels. it's preferred. |
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| 10:23.57 | extor | Is it possible to install a xen-vserver kernel within a VMWARE linux machine and actually have it work? Or will it just choke? |
| 10:24.47 | thnee | my crontab is never run, what should i do? |
| 10:24.52 | vaq | extor: no |
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| 10:25.13 | Eulex | hjb, well, the feature is kinda cool, _unless_ you need to perform a full reboot... |
| 10:25.25 | slxix | thnee: turn your computer on? |
| 10:25.34 | thnee | slxix: funny |
| 10:25.38 | vaq | extor: why the heck do you want to do that? |
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| 10:25.56 | remoteCTRL | hi guys! |
| 10:26.17 | remoteCTRL | i ha installed etch on some brand new hardware and allthough everybody seems to be fine i get no sound |
| 10:26.19 | BubbaT | IS there a way to umount then remount a system ro in one step? |
| 10:26.25 | extor | vaq cuz I wanna test xen out before rolling it onto my dedi server |
| 10:26.25 | remoteCTRL | any help please? |
| 10:26.32 | and][ng | Eulex: thanks |
| 10:26.48 | themill | !tell remoteCTRL about alsa checklist |
| 10:27.00 | vaq | extor: get a spare server, there other think wouldn't work |
| 10:27.05 | themill | remoteCTRL: What sound card do you have? |
| 10:27.13 | vaq | extor: im using xen, vmware before... Wouldn't go back in a million years |
| 10:27.19 | remoteCTRL | themill: its a onboard intel card |
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| 10:27.46 | extor | hmm yeah maybe I will put it on the spare box then but this woulda been convenient hehe |
| 10:27.50 | themill | remoteCTRL: does lsmod | grep snd list snd_hda_intel? |
| 10:28.04 | remoteCTRL | themill: lspci does not list it but lsmod lists snd_hda_intel drivers... |
| 10:28.30 | Eulex | remoteCTRL, did you run update-pciids? |
| 10:28.45 | hjb | Eulex Hmm, the feature is called "kexec" (see http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24.1/include/linux/reboot.h) |
| 10:29.04 | remoteCTRL | themill: basically everything looks as if itr is working, if i launch amarok it displays an equalizer that looks like playing back exept for it doesnt... |
| 10:29.25 | hjb | Eulex Don't get me wrong, i think it's a great feautre. But NOT if you can't control it |
| 10:29.30 | remoteCTRL | Eulex: nope i havent i heard that one for the first time right now, ill do that and be back in a sec |
| 10:29.32 | Eulex | hjb, right |
| 10:29.42 | fireba11 | remoteCTRL: you checked for problems outside your box ? |
| 10:29.45 | themill | remoteCTRL: don't use things like amarok for testing audio. There are too many things that can go wrong. |
| 10:29.53 | Eulex | remoteCTRL, are your volume levels turned up? |
| 10:30.09 | esteel | BubbaT: from the man page of mount: remount |
| 10:30.11 | esteel | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.50 | themill | remoteCTRL: just use something like "aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav" to test the sound output and fiddle with switches while doing so. You will want to invoke-rc.d alsa reload first too. (and check that nothing is hogging the sound card in the output from that last command) |
| 10:30.58 | remoteCTRL | fireball yes, checked two dirfferent headsets and i know they work, themill any recommendations? eulex, yes in alsamixer and gnome-control-center all up |
| 10:31.19 | remoteCTRL | themill uhuh ok i tryed mplayer it also wouldnt work |
| 10:31.46 | hjb | Eulex Am i right: init executes one of the various reboot system calls of the kernel after preparing the running processes for reboot? |
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| 10:32.17 | themill | remoteCTRL: use something like aplay with a simple wav file. Don't use anything more complicated than that. Don't bring codec problems (esp mp3) into the discussion. |
| 10:32.23 | remoteCTRL | themill: ahaaaaaaa here wego: |
| 10:32.26 | remoteCTRL | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 10:32.26 | remoteCTRL | aplay: main:550: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
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| 10:33.02 | Eulex | hjb, I believe so |
| 10:33.03 | remoteCTRL | themill i didi it with mplayer and horse.wav shoulod basically produce same results i thought... |
| 10:33.32 | Eulex | remoteCTRL, lsof|grep /dev/pcm; lsof|grep /dev/snd |
| 10:33.40 | remoteCTRL | themill: ok i geht a device or ressource busy error but there is absolutely nothing runnling... |
| 10:33.50 | remoteCTRL | Eulex: sec pls |
| 10:33.53 | themill | remoteCTRL: perhaps.... but mplayer comes with many more bells and whistles. invoke-rc.d should have told you why it was busy too. |
| 10:34.00 | hjb | Eulex hnmm, the reboot(2) manpage is out of date :-/ |
| 10:34.19 | remoteCTRL | Eulex: ok lsof|grep /dev/pcm returns nothing |
| 10:34.46 | remoteCTRL | and |
| 10:34.48 | remoteCTRL | mixer_app 2884 draco 39u CHR 116,0 4289 /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| 10:35.05 | remoteCTRL | would be the output of lsof|grep /dev/snd |
| 10:35.13 | hjb | Eulex So somewhere in the source of init must be a conditional which either executes reboot with LINUX_REBOOT_CMD_KEXEC or LINUX_REBOOT_CMD_RESTART as parameter |
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| 10:36.11 | Eulex | hjb, hmm wait, check out /etc/rc6.d/S90reboot |
| 10:36.12 | themill | Eulex: the output of "invoke-rc.d alsa reload" provides a list of pids and process names that are touching the sound card. No lsof or grep required. |
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| 10:36.57 | Eulex | themill, oh, never knew |
| 10:37.21 | themill | Eulex: it's quite nice. Although someone said that had changed under lenny.... :( |
| 10:37.32 | Eulex | themill, let me try |
| 10:37.51 | Eulex | yep, invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/alsa not found. |
| 10:38.02 | remoteCTRL | themill: ok i got a substantial error msg vor invoke ill pastbin that, sec pls |
| 10:38.02 | hjb | Eulex Ohhh, right. And especially /etc/rc6.d/S85kexec :-D |
| 10:38.19 | hjb | Eulex Let's see where this is coming from... |
| 10:38.28 | Eulex | hjb, hah, I don't have that one |
| 10:38.31 | remoteCTRL | themill: http://www.nopaste.org/p/aL6ISgVZz |
| 10:38.32 | themill | Eulex: :( |
| 10:38.56 | themill | remoteCTRL: you have gnome's esd and mixer applet still running |
| 10:39.12 | Eulex | themill, and you don't appear to be able to do the same thing with alsa-utils |
| 10:39.24 | hjb | Eulex That's why your system does a plain old reboot and mine is not, i think |
| 10:39.37 | Eulex | hjb, very likely yes |
| 10:39.42 | remoteCTRL | themill: hmm i understand, sec pls |
| 10:40.13 | jim | remoteCTRL: there's some kind of way of setting the particular device using that intel chipset |
| 10:40.14 | hjb | Eulex Ahh, now i've got it. I have the kexec-tools package installed |
| 10:40.25 | themill | Eulex: that's a shame. That was a really handy way of seeing what was being a pain and also what alsa modules were installed. |
| 10:40.55 | jim | snd-hda-intel needs to know specifically which chip you have, and they're named |
| 10:40.56 | Eulex | hjb, :) |
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| 10:41.16 | remoteCTRL | themill: ok i killed the two processes and reloaded successfully, what now? |
| 10:41.29 | acv | do i need acpid running if i'm running etch on a desktop? |
| 10:41.34 | jim | oh good :) hopefully that works |
| 10:41.34 | hjb | Eulex Thanks for your help figuring this out :-) |
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| 10:42.31 | themill | remoteCTRL: try in one terminal "while true; do aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav; done" and in another terminal, start alsamixer and fiddle with the mutes and levels. You might need to *mute* a channel to get it working. |
| 10:42.46 | Eulex | hjb, yw :) I learnt as much about it as you did :) |
| 10:42.46 | hjb | Eulex I think that it is rather intrusive that the package installs a call to itself as S85kexec without asking |
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| 10:43.01 | Eulex | hjb, file a bug |
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| 10:43.37 | remoteCTRL | themill: hummm... ok i'll try, sec pls |
| 10:43.49 | hjb | Eulex Good idea. But first i'll check if it really don't ask :-) Maybe i just had answered yes to it ;) |
| 10:44.49 | remoteCTRL | themill: nope that didnt work... |
| 10:44.51 | hjb | Eulex Shame on me. It really asks :-D |
| 10:44.54 | BubbaT | Is there a way to run scandisk using wine? |
| 10:44.56 | Eulex | hjb, hehe |
| 10:45.02 | remoteCTRL | jim: the chip is realtec alc888 |
| 10:45.12 | acv | do i need acpid running if i'm running etch on a desktop? |
| 10:45.30 | markybob | acv if you dont know, then yes |
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| 10:46.10 | hjb | Eulex hand now as i can finally reboot my machine :-) |
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| 10:46.33 | aurehman | Hi.. I want to download Linux 2.6.18 Debian 4.0... anybody help me... from where i download this OS? |
| 10:46.43 | remoteCTRL | themill: by the way how do i get that infinite loop to stop again? |
| 10:46.53 | themill | Ctrl+C |
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| 10:47.01 | remoteCTRL | themill: nope? |
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| 10:47.39 | themill | remoteCTRL: you might need to do that a couple of times.... Otherwise you only kill the aplay and not the while. |
| 10:47.45 | remoteCTRL | themill: ah ok it worked but you need to hold it down for at least 5 sec XD |
| 10:48.03 | remoteCTRL | themill: yeah i realized *g* |
| 10:48.10 | remoteCTRL | so still not working... |
| 10:48.22 | remoteCTRL | *shrugs* |
| 10:48.26 | themill | remoteCTRL: Also, the snd_hda_intel drivers have improved a lot in recent kernels. You could try upgrading to a newer kernel. 2.6.22 is in backports (/msg dpkg bpo) and 2.6.24 is in etchnhalf (/msg dpkg etchnhalf). |
| 10:48.45 | jim | you would have to hold it down because it's not paying attention while the loop's member is going |
| 10:49.49 | remoteCTRL | themill: i'm afraid that is outta question, i am in a universitiy institute, we got like 50 pcs and i cant start compiling the new ones with other kernels as that creates update issues... |
| 10:49.59 | aurehman | Hi.. I want to download Linux 2.6.18 Debian 4.0... anybody help me... from where i download this OS? |
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| 10:50.12 | jim | what do you have now |
| 10:50.29 | remoteCTRL | jim: yeah i realized;) |
| 10:50.34 | markybob | jim i know this one! two women on a stick! |
| 10:50.54 | jim | ohh tasty |
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| 10:51.09 | slxix | i've seen that movie. |
| 10:51.09 | remoteCTRL | well thanks alot for attempting to solve my trouble guys! |
| 10:51.14 | themill | remoteCTRL: I'm not suggesting compiling new kernels, I'm suggesting that you install newer debian-packaged kernels |
| 10:51.35 | jim | remoteCTRL: what's the retail name of your card? |
| 10:51.49 | remoteCTRL | themill: wich would still lead me to apt-pinning, wouldnt it? |
| 10:51.49 | jim | or is this sound on the motherboard? |
| 10:51.53 | markybob | jim are you jim eagan? |
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| 10:52.04 | jim | no... |
| 10:52.26 | remoteCTRL | jim: its a intel dg33fb or dg33bu mainboard with onboard sound |
| 10:52.59 | jim | remoteCTRL: ok, do you have the exact model number? which of those is it? |
| 10:53.05 | remoteCTRL | jim: as far as i could figutre out its a realtec alc888 chip |
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| 10:53.37 | themill | remoteCTRL: you need to make sure that you don't end up with all packages from backports.org, but the instructions are trivial.... you need 4 lines in your /etc/apt/preferences. Or for that many machines you'll be using some sort of apt-proxy so you can only add the kernel packages to its list of available packages in a local repo. |
| 10:53.37 | jim | what you can try is google "intel dg33fb" linux alsa sound driver |
| 10:53.39 | aurehman | please anybody help me |
| 10:53.41 | remoteCTRL | jim: not unless i open the pc which i cant as it is locked and my master isnt there *g* |
| 10:53.58 | jim | no manual? |
| 10:53.59 | themill | !tell aurehman about getting debian |
| 10:54.04 | jim | oh well, try both |
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| 10:54.39 | aurehman | themill: I want to download Linux 2.6.18 Debian 4.0. |
| 10:54.48 | aurehman | can u guide me how can i get the iso image |
| 10:54.53 | jim | aurehman: what kind of internet you have |
| 10:54.59 | themill | aurehman: follow the link that dpkg sent you |
| 10:55.11 | aurehman | i have 1mb internet |
| 10:55.34 | jim | ok, that goes from the outside to what device exactly? |
| 10:55.37 | aurehman | but the most frustrating this is that here are 21 cd images |
| 10:55.40 | aurehman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:55.46 | aurehman | which image should i download? |
| 10:55.59 | streuner | !d-i aurehman |
| 10:55.59 | dpkg | aurehman, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:56.07 | jim | answer these questions and we'll see |
| 10:56.11 | remoteCTRL | themill: jim: Eulex: thanks for the attempt anyways!:) |
| 10:56.19 | jim | remoteCTRL, sure :) |
| 10:56.32 | streuner | !+tell aurehman -about ig |
| 10:56.33 | dpkg | told aurehman about ig. |
| 10:57.14 | themill | remoteCTRL: it shouldn't be too hard for you to upgrade your kernel even across a lab that size. As long as you know it will work :) |
| 10:57.19 | themill | remoteCTRL: Good luck with it :) |
| 10:57.24 | aurehman | should i download the small image file |
| 10:57.26 | aurehman | ? |
| 10:57.28 | Eulex | aurehman, check out the netinstaller |
| 10:57.45 | streuner | aurehman: What's hard to read ig? |
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| 10:58.10 | aurehman | i need to install pythong... so.. whould small image file will ok? |
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| 10:58.46 | slxix | aurehman: i'm a fan of net installs. |
| 10:59.08 | Eulex | aurehman, any image will do; what is not included on the iso(s) you're downloading you download later on |
| 10:59.11 | aurehman | i m newbie in irc |
| 10:59.28 | streuner | and hopefully not a newbie in reading |
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| 10:59.44 | aurehman | i m downloading small image file |
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| 11:00.42 | aurehman | is it Linux 2.6.18 Debian 4.0 |
| 11:00.52 | aurehman | in Debian 4.0 RC3? |
| 11:00.57 | jim | what could be helpful is to draw out exactly what your networking setup looks like, every device, how it's connected |
| 11:01.19 | themill | aurehman: not "release candidate 3" but "release 3". |
| 11:02.01 | themill | wishes that debian would stop using X.YrZ version numbering |
| 11:02.08 | extor | Can someone tell me why I see the following, in my auth.log? |
| 11:02.09 | slxix | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso is what i would use. |
| 11:02.10 | extor | May 5 06:25:01 debian su[2350]: Successful su for nobody by root |
| 11:02.10 | extor | May 5 06:25:01 debian su[2350]: + ??? root:nobody |
| 11:02.10 | extor | May 5 06:25:01 debian su[2350]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) |
| 11:02.14 | markybob | happy pidgin |
| 11:02.16 | aurehman | o yes.. sorry... it is release 3 |
| 11:02.16 | themill | !tell extor about paste |
| 11:02.19 | markybob | i mean, funpdigin |
| 11:02.22 | markybob | i mean...fuck |
| 11:02.37 | extor | It's just three lines |
| 11:02.51 | aurehman | i m totally a newbie for Debian |
| 11:03.03 | aurehman | can anybody help me how i can install and configure it? |
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| 11:03.08 | extor | I typed the first line and then pasted 3 lines. The rule is to not post MORE than three lines |
| 11:03.10 | jim | are you a newbie to your networking hardware? |
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| 11:03.41 | aurehman | no |
| 11:03.48 | aurehman | but new in debian |
| 11:03.59 | jim | so... your networking comes into your house somehow... |
| 11:04.04 | jim | how? what media |
| 11:04.17 | themill | extor: if you're going to bitch and complain then no-one will bother helping you. You get *kicked* at three lines, that's the enforcement, not the rule. |
| 11:04.31 | slxix | aurehman: did you read the install manual on debian.org? :) |
| 11:04.32 | jim | I'm not doing anything without information |
| 11:04.40 | extor | so the rule is wrong then, perhaps someone should update the bot |
| 11:04.44 | themill | extor: BTW that is most likely a cron job for something like logrotate or syslog. |
| 11:04.52 | themill | gives up |
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| 11:04.55 | jim | extor: just use your best judgement |
| 11:05.27 | jim | consider that every line you type here goes out however many clients are connected |
| 11:05.33 | extor | sighs |
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| 11:06.00 | extor | right but if you scrole up..one of my lines is split from the other three and in between you have something by slxix |
| 11:06.07 | jim | I'm not trying in any way to be authoritative... the opposit, I'm saying you take care of it |
| 11:06.16 | slxix | extor: don't include me in this!! :) |
| 11:06.31 | jim | just use your own best judgement |
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| 11:06.51 | jim | the bot will take care of stuff it thinks went over anyway |
| 11:06.53 | extor | slxix I can't help it if you were in the wrong place at the right time(for me). |
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| 11:07.21 | extor | Yeah so the bot didn't kick me...cuz I waited 15 seconds before pasting the actual three lines |
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| 11:07.35 | slxix | maybe it only showed up between your messages on your side. ;) |
| 11:07.40 | streuner | aurehman: via modem, do you use a hardware-router? |
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| 11:07.56 | Eulex | extor, umh no, there was 2 seconds between your first line and the three pasted ones |
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| 11:07.59 | aurehman | i worked on ubuntu.. but never worked in debian |
| 11:08.14 | aurehman | actually i m using 1 MB internet |
| 11:08.15 | extor | May have been lag in the first line perhaps |
| 11:08.18 | jim | ok, he is failing to answer pertinent questions... |
| 11:08.22 | aurehman | i dont have any router |
| 11:08.25 | streuner | well, ubuntu - that makes sense then |
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| 11:08.55 | streuner | aurehman: no hardware-router, but via modem? |
| 11:08.58 | aurehman | nor i have any modem |
| 11:09.08 | streuner | so internet comes via air? |
| 11:09.16 | aurehman | hehehe |
| 11:09.23 | aurehman | no i mean there is no cisco router |
| 11:09.24 | streuner | wireless then? |
| 11:09.35 | aurehman | yes i m using wireless |
| 11:09.37 | slxix | streuner: plugged in like the matrix |
| 11:09.41 | aurehman | there is a bridge... |
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| 11:10.27 | streuner | hm, wireless, you need to know the chipset then (wireless NIC) |
| 11:10.31 | jim | aurehman: perhaps if you were to understand how tech people connunicate you'd get a better response. personally, I am choosing to ignore you because you have refused to answer questions I feel would help to make a choice. I now leave that choice to you, read the install guide; it has relevent info |
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| 11:11.02 | jim | if you want to understand that kind of communication, one source is /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 11:11.18 | aurehman | jim: i m sorry if i am unable to answer properly... |
| 11:11.33 | aurehman | but i m in a very difficult situation.. |
| 11:11.41 | aurehman | i've to give a client demo on that server |
| 11:11.48 | aurehman | and currently i m downloading the iso |
| 11:11.55 | jim | meetoo, it's called "4 AM in the morning, and not slept yet" |
| 11:12.02 | aurehman | after 2 hours i've to give demo |
| 11:12.30 | jim | you chose to start today to ask? |
| 11:12.32 | slxix | is it a full moon tonight? |
| 11:12.34 | Eulex | aurehman, emh, you've got a server connected via wireless? |
| 11:12.54 | jim | a better choice would have been last week or last month or better, 2 months ago |
| 11:12.59 | slxix | jim, it's 8pm |
| 11:13.26 | Eulex | no, it's 1pm! |
| 11:13.33 | jim | my local time is 4 am in the morning (plus some mins by this time) :) |
| 11:13.33 | Eulex | ;) |
| 11:13.53 | and][ng | I have to agree with Eulex |
| 11:14.06 | aurehman | yes |
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| 11:14.25 | extor | are the default Xen kernels in debian pretty decent ones to put onto production webservers? |
| 11:14.27 | corecode | hey |
| 11:14.51 | corecode | is there a way to tell dpkg not to run postinst/restart deamon scripts? |
| 11:15.06 | jim | man update-rc.d |
| 11:15.09 | corecode | i'm trying to update an image created by debootstrap and dpkg fails |
| 11:15.18 | Eulex | corecode, fix the script |
| 11:15.19 | streuner | wait, dpkg? |
| 11:15.20 | aurehman | Eulex: my live servers are directly attached on a switch where the wireless cable terminates |
| 11:15.34 | shoonya | can someone tell me how to build a .deb package |
| 11:15.34 | corecode | Eulex: the postinst? |
| 11:15.44 | Eulex | corecode, yes. |
| 11:15.47 | slxix | wireless cable? oxymoron? :) |
| 11:16.18 | corecode | Eulex: what would be the correct fix? |
| 11:16.24 | idimmu | shoonya: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 11:16.25 | catsup | heh |
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| 11:16.34 | corecode | invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "start" failed. |
| 11:16.34 | corecode | dpkg: error processing dbus (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 11:16.34 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 11:16.54 | corecode | yes, that is an error. |
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| 11:17.19 | shoonya | idimmu: thanks |
| 11:17.24 | streuner | but dpkg is right, just paste the whole error with command in paste.debian.net |
| 11:17.53 | corecode | that *is* the error, what more is there to be |
| 11:17.56 | and][ng | bye |
| 11:18.03 | Jessica_ | i would like to change distro and i am considering moving to debian i would like to know if my wireless card will work its the RTL8187B |
| 11:18.14 | streuner | corecode: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 11:18.33 | corecode | ii libc6 2.7-10ubuntu3 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:18.35 | sortudo_78 | alguem pode me ajuda a compilar a ultima versao do wine? |
| 11:18.52 | Eulex | !es |
| 11:18.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:18.57 | streuner | corecode: #ubuntu |
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| 11:19.03 | jatt | !pt |
| 11:19.04 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 11:19.05 | corecode | streuner: clueless there |
| 11:19.17 | Jessica_ | i would assume it dose because i am currently using ubuntu which is based on debian but i just want to make sure |
| 11:19.18 | corecode | streuner: and essentially it is a dpkg issue |
| 11:19.24 | catsup | no it isn't |
| 11:19.26 | Eulex | corecode, no, it's a packaging issue |
| 11:19.30 | catsup | it's a dbus issue |
| 11:19.32 | catsup | dbus fails to init |
| 11:19.37 | streuner | !+tell corecode -about based on debian |
| 11:19.39 | dpkg | told corecode about based on debian. |
| 11:19.40 | catsup | the error occurs in /etc/init.d/dbus |
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| 11:20.04 | corecode | yes, it can't init because there is nothing running. this is a plain directory image, not an instance running |
| 11:20.14 | corecode | it has been primed by debootstrap |
| 11:20.18 | sortudo_78 | Please! Anybody could help me to compile the last version of wine ? |
| 11:20.36 | catsup | i see. then force it through by moving /var/lib/dpkg/info/dbus.postinst somewhere else temporarily |
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| 11:20.46 | Eulex | corecode, you've got ubuntu in a chroot there? |
| 11:20.49 | corecode | okay, thanks |
| 11:20.52 | corecode | Eulex: yes |
| 11:20.55 | catsup | or, better, uninstall ubuntu, and install debian |
| 11:21.06 | sortudo_78 | i need to install some dependecie, but dont know how to install that :( |
| 11:21.23 | slxix | sortudo_78: why are you compiling wine? |
| 11:21.23 | corecode | i basically want to do it like debootstrap does, just for an upgrade |
| 11:21.28 | Jessica_ | dose anyone know if the RTL8187B wireless card works in debian |
| 11:21.36 | catsup | corecode: debian backports does what ubuntu is supposd to exist for |
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| 11:22.11 | catsup | if you want a more permanent solution to this problem i believe there is actually a package (in debian...) that gives you a dummy invoke-rc.d |
| 11:22.37 | corecode | okay |
| 11:22.40 | corecode | will look into that |
| 11:22.56 | sortudo_78 | slxix: becose i must try the last version that is 0.9.61 with my Paltalk aplication, i just found debian packeges to wine version 0.9.58 :( |
| 11:22.57 | corecode | the thing is that i'd like to use that chroot as rootfs for a set of diskless clients |
| 11:23.07 | corecode | be it debian or ubuntu, i don't really care |
| 11:23.33 | Eulex | corecode, well, then use debian and you'll be able to receive support in here. |
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| 11:23.58 | corecode | i was asking about dpkg, not about distro specific details |
| 11:24.09 | catsup | no, you're mistaken |
| 11:24.15 | slxix | sortudo_78: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb |
| 11:24.18 | Eulex | I'm 99% sure that ubuntu patches dpkg |
| 11:24.23 | abrotman | it does |
| 11:24.34 | corecode | okay, then let me rephrase the question |
| 11:24.34 | catsup | the error was not in dpkg, dpkg was merely reporting it |
| 11:24.49 | sortudo_78 | slxix, i dont need 0.9.58, i need 0.9.61 |
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| 11:24.59 | corecode | is there a way to prevent dpkg from running the postinst/invoke-rc.d script |
| 11:25.11 | catsup | corecode: i told you |
| 11:25.13 | corecode | sorry, didn't phrase the question correctly |
| 11:25.22 | corecode | catsup: yes, just for completeness :) |
| 11:25.28 | E-bola | What options do I have if I want to monitor the disk load of my disk system? In windows you have performance counters like idle time, where you can monitor the utilisation of a disk. Does debian/linux have something similar? |
| 11:25.33 | abrotman | iostat |
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| 11:25.39 | E-bola | I need to monitor if the disks are a bottleneck |
| 11:25.48 | E-bola | abrtoman: i tried looking at it, but couldnt get any useable values |
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| 11:25.54 | slxix | sortudo_78: that web pages tells you how to install the latest available wine from wine's own repository. |
| 11:26.07 | slxix | i would assume it has the latest? |
| 11:26.22 | E-bola | abrtoman: Can iostat in any way provide values that can give me a utilisation value for the driveS? |
| 11:26.29 | E-bola | preferebly in a percentage |
| 11:26.35 | abrotman | dude .. A B R O T M A N |
| 11:26.35 | sortudo_78 | slxix: thanks i will get a read |
| 11:26.44 | E-bola | hehe |
| 11:26.48 | Eulex | abortman |
| 11:26.54 | abrotman | E-bola: define usable values |
| 11:26.56 | slxix | i hope it works out for you. |
| 11:26.58 | abrotman | at least i highlight on abortman |
| 11:27.10 | liable | so you should |
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| 11:27.13 | cammoblammo | E-bola: There's a new utility in sid called iotop that may do what you want. I haven't had a play with it yet, but it looks kinda interesting. |
| 11:27.15 | alin_CN | E-bola, are U chinese ? |
| 11:27.27 | E-bola | abortman: I need something i can make graphs of, and i'd prefer soemthing that have a specific range which woudl be general for any disk |
| 11:27.32 | E-bola | alin_CN: no |
| 11:27.38 | corecode | catsup: i guess i could also just force the status of the package to be "completely installed" and not "half installed, postinst missing" |
| 11:27.48 | alin_CN | en, thank U, you ..go on.. |
| 11:27.50 | E-bola | cammoblammo: sounds interesting i love the htop and top utilities |
| 11:27.50 | catsup | ha, abortman |
| 11:27.53 | sortudo_78 | slxix: the debian repository is 0.9.58, i need to compile 0.9.61 :( |
| 11:27.53 | Eulex | oh no, what did I do |
| 11:27.56 | abrotman | E-bola: there are system monitors in debian, not sure what they graph as far as dis IO |
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| 11:28.16 | sortudo_78 | but frist i need to install dependencies |
| 11:28.18 | E-bola | abrotman: ive tried a fair deal of them, nagios, bigbrother etc |
| 11:28.26 | E-bola | they all just use scripts/plugins |
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| 11:28.33 | E-bola | im jsut wondering if linux can provide the kind of data im looking for |
| 11:28.43 | abrotman | E-bola: there's disk test suites like bonnie |
| 11:28.49 | abrotman | or lmstat can do that also |
| 11:28.59 | E-bola | abrotman: isnt bonnie a benchmark tool? |
| 11:29.22 | abrotman | yes .. doesn't mean it can't tell you if your disks are slow |
| 11:29.29 | abrotman | oh .. not lmstat .. lmbench |
| 11:29.33 | abrotman | !info lmbench etch |
| 11:29.37 | zxd_ | does this look like a regex mistake to you |
| 11:29.38 | zxd_ | (xend-relocation-hosts-allow '^localhost$ ^localhost\\.localdomain$') |
| 11:29.39 | zxd_ | ? |
| 11:29.41 | zxd_ | the double \\ |
| 11:29.44 | E-bola | Well do you understand what i mean when i say windows and idle time performance counters? |
| 11:29.53 | dpkg | lmbench: (Utilities to benchmark UNIX systems), section non-free/admin, is optional. Version: 3.0-a7-1 (etch), Packaged size: 779 kB, Installed size: 3516 kB |
| 11:29.57 | E-bola | it gives you a percentage of how much any given disk is utilised |
| 11:30.08 | slxix | sortudo_78: did you just look at the archive? |
| 11:30.11 | E-bola | so basically a value between 1 and 100 that tells you how busy the disk is |
| 11:30.20 | catsup | zxd_: it depends on what else parses the text before the regex engine receives it |
| 11:30.20 | abrotman | sounds .. random :) |
| 11:31.04 | slxix | sortudo_78: i think that if you install the apt repository, then you'll get the latest. |
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| 11:31.21 | E-bola | Well what would you monitor if you wanted to keep a track of your disks, utilisation wise |
| 11:31.31 | liable | install the apt repository? |
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| 11:31.44 | slxix | liable: my wording is probably bad. |
| 11:31.47 | petemc | E-bola: you can log disk writes, its obviously very verbose tho |
| 11:31.58 | liable | slxix: i suspect so :) |
| 11:32.27 | slxix | add sources? :) |
| 11:32.34 | E-bola | hmm so i guess this is a small niche where linux is a bit inferior |
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| 11:32.49 | E-bola | iotop is the thing that comes closest |
| 11:32.59 | petemc | E-bola: thats quite a statement considering you seem to know next to nothing about it |
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| 11:33.10 | abrotman | E-bola: i don't mind iostat .. i think it is useful |
| 11:33.23 | pjv_m | what's a good CMS for a website? |
| 11:33.33 | E-bola | abrotman: but isnt the values in iostat specific for the drive ur looking at? |
| 11:34.02 | E-bola | petemc: well google doesnt show anything after ive been looking for it for motnhs at intervals, and nobody ive asked ever had any tools that would show the values i need |
| 11:34.07 | abrotman | measured in Blks/sec |
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| 11:34.24 | abrotman | Device: tps Blk_read/s Blk_wrtn/s Blk_read Blk_wrtn |
| 11:34.25 | abrotman | sda 18.80 820.68 54.35 332713911 22032784 |
| 11:35.02 | E-bola | Well thats my point |
| 11:35.10 | E-bola | cant you have mroe reads from a fast disk per sec |
| 11:35.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. I'm running 2.6.25 with an Intel 4965 wireless card. My AP is a DD-WRT one with WPA2-personal-AES encryption. I can't manage to connect to it. Can anyone please help me? |
| 11:35.15 | shoonya | pjv_m: you can try drupal |
| 11:35.24 | E-bola | than from a slow one? So to know if the value is critical you have to know the disk? |
| 11:35.29 | catsup | E-bola: i think what you want to do is benchmark your disks |
| 11:35.30 | abrotman | E-bola: that's not a benchmark .. that's actual stats |
| 11:35.31 | pjv_m | thank you |
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| 11:35.47 | catsup | E-bola: then you can interpret the figures given by iostat in terms of percentage usage |
| 11:36.03 | aurehman_ | Eulex: I've downloaded netinst... and now i m burning it |
| 11:36.10 | aurehman_ | then i'll install it on my machine |
| 11:36.20 | aurehman_ | is there any pre requisite? |
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| 11:36.38 | abrotman | !ig |
| 11:36.38 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 11:36.59 | kuribas | What is the best version of Octave to install? |
| 11:37.09 | abrotman | the one in your Debian sources |
| 11:37.12 | E-bola | catsup: yes but it needs to be interpreted per drive right? |
| 11:37.42 | kuribas | abrotman: There are three! 2.1, 2.9 and 3.0 |
| 11:37.44 | catsup | E-bola: it doesn't "need" to be; that's just the only thing that makes sense |
| 11:37.55 | abrotman | E-bola: and iostat does have more information available .. i just gave you the standard ouitput |
| 11:38.08 | E-bola | abrotman: like an oooold ide drive would have a much lower blk_read/s than a fast scsi drive, without that being an indication of a problem |
| 11:38.11 | abrotman | kuribas: i'd think that depends on your work |
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| 11:38.34 | abrotman | E-bola: what do you think that blk_read/sec is measuring? the ability or actuality ? |
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| 11:38.52 | E-bola | catsup: thats my point im looking for something that can interpret it in relation to the specific drives capabilities and report it in a percentile utilisation for that drive |
| 11:39.00 | abrotman | E-bola: it really sounds to me like you want a system benchmark suite |
| 11:39.02 | catsup | E-bola: i just told you what to do |
| 11:39.04 | E-bola | so you can compare how utilised different drives in different servers are |
| 11:39.16 | E-bola | abrotman: actuality |
| 11:39.37 | abrotman | E-bola: right .. so if the ide drive is reading 30 blks/sec .. that's well under its capacity |
| 11:39.40 | catsup | it's clear what you want, what you hav to do is benchmark your drives to find out the speed |
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| 11:40.06 | E-bola | abrotman: so in your way, you would have to examine every drives "capacity" to know which values to alert on for blks/sec ? |
| 11:40.14 | E-bola | which is completely useless in my case unfortunately |
| 11:40.17 | abrotman | E-bola: i just said that you want a benchmark |
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| 11:40.38 | abrotman | E-bola: iostat shows real-ish time stats .. but you're looking for a bottleneck .. benchmark the system |
| 11:40.42 | catsup | E-bola: obviously, you have to know what 100% is, before you can issue a figure in percentage |
| 11:40.43 | E-bola | abrotman: I dont want a benchmark, its not about how fast the drive is, but how busy it is in the instance ur lookign at it |
| 11:40.51 | abrotman | then use iostat |
| 11:41.01 | E-bola | catsup: yes thats the problem, windows figures all that out for you |
| 11:41.03 | abrotman | or some other real-ish time disk IO thing |
| 11:41.04 | catsup | E-bola: to say that basic mathematical fact, which applies to every percentage every issued by anyone or anything-- |
| 11:41.19 | Dionix | mplayer always looks for /dev/cdrom when i play dvd's, but really its /dev/hdc and there is a symbolic link for /dev/cdrom1 so i do "sudo ln -s hdc cdrom" so mplayer can find it, but everytime i reboot /dev/cdrom disappears, how can i permanently fix this? |
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| 11:41.55 | E-bola | abrotman: iostat will only tell me how many operations its doing that instance, not how big a percentage of its capacity those operations are |
| 11:41.57 | abrotman | Dionix: fix mplayer? |
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| 11:42.08 | abrotman | E-bola: benchmark |
| 11:42.09 | catsup | E-bola: sigh. benchmark the drives |
| 11:42.09 | E-bola | which is the problem, ur solution works if you have alot of similar drives, or very few drives |
| 11:42.20 | E-bola | thats not feaseable |
| 11:42.23 | catsup | it's not "his" solutino, it's the only possible solution |
| 11:42.23 | E-bola | not at all |
| 11:42.25 | abrotman | then stop asking |
| 11:42.27 | catsup | then what you want is impossible |
| 11:42.28 | E-bola | the system would ahve to be idle etc |
| 11:42.33 | abrotman | your day is over .. go home |
| 11:42.33 | Jessica_ | is there just a 1cd download of debian |
| 11:42.37 | abrotman | !d-i Jessica_ |
| 11:42.37 | dpkg | Jessica_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:42.41 | E-bola | yes impossible on linux, not windows. Thats what i concluded several lines ago |
| 11:42.51 | E-bola | which is a shame :( |
| 11:42.57 | Jessica_ | thanks |
| 11:42.57 | catsup | E-bola: if windows doesn't benchmark the drives, then it's merely guessing |
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| 11:43.08 | catsup | E-bola: which you can do, also |
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| 11:43.15 | E-bola | maybe thats good enough, i dont knwo how they do it, byut the figures make sence |
| 11:43.19 | catsup | just guess. just output random numbers. |
| 11:43.21 | abrotman | or he could benchmark them .. and then use iostat .. but he's too damn lazy |
| 11:43.36 | Dionix | abrotman: how? |
| 11:43.44 | E-bola | abrotman: its not about being lazy, its just not feaseable to benchmark 100's of differetn servers with 1000's of different disks |
| 11:43.55 | Dionix | abrotman: i rather like the link /dev/cdrom anyway though |
| 11:44.01 | Jessica_ | there is like 21 cd's |
| 11:44.02 | catsup | E-bola: how do you think that 'windows' obtains this information? |
| 11:44.04 | Jessica_ | which one do i need |
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| 11:44.35 | E-bola | catsup: its only a guess, but maybe something like its looking at how many writes/reads are in queue, and if the queue is mmm "full" the drive is 100% busy |
| 11:44.46 | catsup | E-bola: uh, no |
| 11:44.49 | abrotman | Dionix: you can use udev rules instead |
| 11:44.57 | E-bola | i dont think its about actual performance, since its a relative value ur getting. (A percentage showing how busy the drive is) |
| 11:44.58 | abrotman | Jessica_: the netinst .. |
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| 11:45.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me out with my wifi problem? |
| 11:45.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can't connect to my AP... |
| 11:45.26 | catsup | E-bola: look, what you can do is watch the drive over time, and see how far it is from the max it's ever been at |
| 11:45.29 | BubbaT | I'm getting a new3 computer today. I want to make a dual boot XP, debian. Is it possible for me to make a vm in Windows that starts up the debian installation. Is that possible? |
| 11:45.36 | E-bola | catsup: yes thats simple and easy |
| 11:45.39 | E-bola | and what abrotman is saying |
| 11:45.47 | E-bola | but it doesnt scale |
| 11:46.05 | catsup | E-bola: the package 'munin' does that |
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| 11:46.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | BubbaT: Sure, virtualbox, vwmare, etc... But why have Debian in a virtual machine, when Windows is the insecure of the two? |
| 11:46.18 | E-bola | ive looked at munin |
| 11:46.20 | catsup | doesn't scale. listen, don't use phrases like that |
| 11:46.31 | heroxbd | Hello! With the coming of Linux 2.6.25, ISATAP is supported by the kernel. How can I configure to use it in user space? |
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| 11:46.47 | catsup | i've gotta go, coffee time |
| 11:47.12 | abrotman | catsup: but munin doesn't scale or some thing dumb managers would say |
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| 11:47.56 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: why do you keep breaking your wireles? |
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| 11:48.51 | BubbaT | Dark_Apostrophe, I did not say that I wanted to create a disk image with debian on it. I said I wanted to create a disk image that uses an existing debian installation. When I am on Windows, I occasionally want to do some linux stuff, so a VM seems the best way. |
| 11:48.51 | BubbaT | But I do not want to make a complete debian image. |
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| 11:52.02 | heroxbd | I mean... How can I invoke iproute2 to enable isatap when using kernel 2.6.25? |
| 11:52.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | BubbaT: Just use a VM..what's the problem? |
| 11:53.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | virtualbox, for example... www.virtualbox.org. |
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| 11:53.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | VMware works too, but I think you have to pay to get a decent version |
| 11:53.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Maybe I'm mistaken |
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| 11:53.53 | jelly | BubbaT: you can use the real disk in a virtualbox guest, but you have to be careful. |
| 11:54.25 | abrotman | colinux ? |
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| 11:55.45 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: vmware server is gratis |
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| 11:56.35 | abrotman | jelly: big words .. confusing! |
| 11:56.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: Oh, okay. I wasn't too sure on that. |
| 11:57.13 | BubbaT | jelly, I would use Xen or Qemu. |
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| 11:57.23 | abrotman | the major one that isn't free is vmware esx |
| 11:57.30 | robocop1 | Hi there.I need a little help pleasse.Ive just installed debian 4.3.do I need to do an apt-update and apt dist-upgrade please? |
| 11:57.31 | abrotman | BubbaT: on windows? |
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| 11:57.43 | extor | What is a decent CPU benchmarking utility packaged in debian? |
| 11:57.45 | abrotman | robocop1: you mean 4.0r3 ? |
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| 11:58.03 | robocop1 | abrotman, yes sorry |
| 11:58.10 | dub | are 8139 nics broken in 4.0r3? |
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| 11:58.16 | abrotman | robocop1: why would you ask if you have to do a dist-upgrade ? |
| 11:58.25 | abrotman | dub: that's a lot of cards .. be more specific |
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| 11:58.42 | jelly | BubbaT: I use Debian in virtualbox as well as on real machine, it works decently apart from not being able to boot from real disk, so I had to create a grub.iso image to boot from. |
| 11:58.53 | kilah | hi, i have some question about debian development volunteer, who can help me ? |
| 11:59.09 | robocop1 | abchirk, well Im new to debian.a lot of other distros require updates and dist upgrades |
| 11:59.10 | jelly | ?runon sentence error |
| 11:59.15 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 11:59.15 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for abchirk |
| 11:59.33 | abrotman | robocop1: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade .. is anything held back ? |
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| 11:59.54 | themill | kilah: just ask |
| 12:00.03 | BubbaT | jelly thanks |
| 12:00.30 | robocop1 | abchirk, thanks thats the commands I needed to know.last thing though is installing an ati driver |
| 12:00.42 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 12:00.42 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for abchirk |
| 12:00.50 | abrotman | !tell robocop1 about fglrx one-liner |
| 12:01.03 | sarefo_work | any idea why synergy isn't in lenny? it's in etch and unstable. |
| 12:01.24 | dub | abrotman, would any be broken? |
| 12:01.25 | themill | !why is synergy not in testing |
| 12:01.25 | dpkg | synergy is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=synergy |
| 12:01.26 | kilah | what i need todo to be developer..or how i find somenone to advocate me ? |
| 12:01.35 | themill | sarefo_work: ^^ because it's buggy, iirc |
| 12:01.37 | abrotman | dub: BE LESS VAGUE |
| 12:01.47 | abrotman | !tell kilah about nm |
| 12:02.21 | kilah | abrotman: i have read from website conditions |
| 12:02.47 | themill | kilah: you need to already be active in the debian community before you can get someone to advocate you. If you are already active, then you will know who will advocate you already. |
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| 12:03.28 | jelly | themill: catch22? |
| 12:03.41 | themill | jelly: not really. |
| 12:03.46 | abrotman | themill: i don't know that what you said is entirely true |
| 12:03.48 | dub | abrotman, 8139too adn 8139cp are loaded |
| 12:04.06 | abrotman | i don't think you want them both loaded at the same time .. but anyways .. and what happens ? |
| 12:04.07 | kilah | themill: i`m not very active in debian community because i don`t know where to start |
| 12:04.09 | sarefo_work | thx themill |
| 12:04.15 | themill | abrotman: no-one will advocate you if you are not active in Debian in some way. |
| 12:04.35 | abrotman | themill: no one is a bit strong .. but okay |
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| 12:05.10 | dub | abrotman, netinst doesnt find it or only if no link is up |
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| 12:05.17 | abrotman | dub: how old is the card? |
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| 12:05.40 | dub | abrotman, two diff cards both work in ubuntu |
| 12:05.57 | dub | both generic rtl crap idk what |
| 12:05.58 | themill | abrotman: I wouldn't have thought so. http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint#Advocate |
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| 12:06.38 | abrotman | themill: uh .. that's crap .. i've had people offer to advocate me |
| 12:06.50 | abrotman | themill: and i'm crazy |
| 12:07.35 | abrotman | dub: is it a pretty new machine/mobo ? |
| 12:07.42 | themill | kilah: to start with, run wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) and see if there is software that you are currently using that is looking for a new maintainer (RFA, O) or assistance (RFH). Also look at the list of RC bugs and see what you can do to help along Lenny's release. |
| 12:07.46 | dub | abrotman, no |
| 12:08.03 | abrotman | dub: less than 18 months old though ? |
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| 12:08.29 | dub | abrotman, no its i82815 old as fuck |
| 12:08.42 | abrotman | that's the mobo .. not the NIC .. but okay |
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| 12:08.59 | abrotman | dub: you can try the etch installer with a newer kernel if you prefer |
| 12:09.01 | dub | both are older than a couple of years |
| 12:09.23 | abrotman | i've seen stuff in dmesg that sometimes says "using 8139cp but you should try 8139too" |
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| 12:09.55 | dub | i tried rming either |
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| 12:10.13 | dimir | Enternit! |
| 12:10.31 | abrotman | !etchnhalf |
| 12:10.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/test/ |
| 12:10.43 | dub | both are loaded Under ubuntu too |
| 12:10.50 | abrotman | there's an unofficial netinst with a newer kernel .. try that |
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| 12:11.15 | abrotman | hopefully it doesn't eat all your food |
| 12:11.16 | sysk | 'hi |
| 12:11.38 | sysk | is there a prob with the debian servers currently ? |
| 12:11.59 | fireba11 | ? |
| 12:12.25 | sysk | well updating process seems broken and a friend of mine reports the same prob |
| 12:12.35 | fireba11 | try another mirror |
| 12:12.37 | abrotman | try another mirro |
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| 12:13.26 | sysk | good idea |
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| 12:15.16 | acv | do i need acpid running if i'm running etch on a desktop? |
| 12:15.28 | robocop1 | !ati |
| 12:15.28 | dpkg | ati is, like, For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list. <radeon>, <radeonhd> |
| 12:15.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me get my wireless running? |
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| 12:16.07 | abrotman | acv: *need*, no .. probably would like some of the features though |
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| 12:16.14 | soppman | yo |
| 12:16.15 | esteel | Dark_Apostrophe: have you tried google? :) what wlan card do you have? |
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| 12:16.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | esteel: Intel 4965 |
| 12:16.39 | soppman | why doesnt 4.0 netinstall download debs from the internet? it claims that some packages on the cdrom is broken, can i change source somehow in the installation program? |
| 12:16.48 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: you used to have that card working fine... what's wrong now? |
| 12:16.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: I replaced the hard drive |
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| 12:17.21 | esteel | Dark_Apostrophe: i got it to work by installing (on unstable) firmware-iwlwifi and gnome-network-manager.. |
| 12:17.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: After reinstalling Debian, now I can't get it working. Neither with 2.6.24, which I used before, nor with 2.6.25, which I use now. |
| 12:17.39 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: was it catastrophic for which you had no backups.... |
| 12:17.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | esteel: I use KDE |
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| 12:18.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: The disk started clicking, so I did make backups. |
| 12:18.15 | esteel | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe its just the iwl thing missing.. |
| 12:18.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, iwlwifi is part of the kernel |
| 12:18.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | And I installed the firmware manually |
| 12:18.53 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: and the symptoms are... the dmesg output is... the output from iwconfig is... |
| 12:19.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Here's what happens, when I try to connect with wpa_supplicant: http://pastebin.ca/1009248 |
| 12:20.16 | acv | abrotman, what features? |
| 12:20.43 | abrotman | monitor off? fan slow down? power saving stuff |
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| 12:21.25 | acv | abrotman, i run these on a vps |
| 12:21.35 | acv | *the debian install |
| 12:22.04 | abrotman | but .. etch .. on a desktop .. on vps? |
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| 12:23.06 | robocop | !ati |
| 12:23.06 | dpkg | hmm... ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list. <radeon>, <radeonhd> |
| 12:23.24 | robocop | !ati |
| 12:23.24 | dpkg | it has been said that ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list. <radeon>, <radeonhd> |
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| 12:23.34 | robocop | !one liner |
| 12:23.45 | robocop | !one-liner |
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| 12:24.02 | robocop | !dpkg |
| 12:24.02 | dpkg | methinks dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 12:24.12 | robocop | !howto ati |
| 12:24.33 | Eulex | !tell robocop about msg the bot |
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| 12:24.51 | robocop | abrotman, what was the one liner again please |
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| 12:26.03 | AussieGuy | how many mb is 25094761 kb? |
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| 12:26.26 | themill | AussieGuy: depends on how you define m, k and b. |
| 12:26.26 | Eulex | ~25000 |
| 12:26.31 | nevyn | AussieGuy: divide by 1024 |
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| 12:26.40 | AussieGuy | megabytes and kilobytes |
| 12:26.49 | nevyn | yeah but which version |
| 12:27.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Any ideas? |
| 12:27.04 | nevyn | The base 2 ones or the base 10 ones? |
| 12:27.04 | themill | AussieGuy: there are also decimal and power-of-two versions of those. |
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| 12:27.22 | themill | AussieGuy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte |
| 12:28.33 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: not without you providing a lot more information. In particular, what gets written to dmesg when you modprobe -r then modprobe the iwl driver. |
| 12:28.59 | acv | abrotman: sorry i meant server but this is a testing desktop install |
| 12:29.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay, let's see. |
| 12:29.02 | acv | so server |
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| 12:29.22 | robocop | can someone tell me what the command is to get the one liner for installing my ati card....thanks |
| 12:29.39 | themill | !tell robocop about fglrx one-liner |
| 12:30.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Here's my dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/1009270 |
| 12:31.26 | acv | which ftpd should i use? |
| 12:31.42 | robocop | themill thanks....but I got an error message saying this Couldn't find package fglrx-driver |
| 12:31.42 | Eulex | vsftpd is a good one |
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| 12:32.19 | Eulex | robocop, "Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>" |
| 12:32.36 | themill | robocop: it's in non-free... did you add contrib and non-free as instructed. |
| 12:32.54 | abrotman | !tell robocop about f |
| 12:32.55 | abrotman | bah |
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| 12:33.20 | themill | acv: I'd recommend against any ftpd. /msg dpkg ftpmustdie |
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| 12:35.01 | acv | themill, customers need ftp access |
| 12:35.58 | themill | acv: need is the wrong word.... there are many other solutions that are technically superior and can also still be used by clueless windows users without any troubles. |
| 12:36.54 | acv | themill, like? |
| 12:37.23 | asg | winscp |
| 12:37.27 | themill | acv: sftp would be a good choice. Even ftp+ssl would be better than just ftp. |
| 12:37.29 | abrotman | filezilla |
| 12:37.37 | idimmu | samba |
| 12:37.42 | abrotman | idimmu: uh no? |
| 12:37.45 | acv | they have their own ftp clients |
| 12:37.49 | idimmu | uh ya! |
| 12:37.50 | acv | i cant force them to use smth else |
| 12:37.55 | abrotman | acv: filezilla is easy |
| 12:37.57 | themill | notes that winscp and filezilla are clients not protocols |
| 12:38.04 | abrotman | acv: yes, you can .. it's your server and their data .. |
| 12:38.14 | acv | what's a sftpd? |
| 12:38.15 | abrotman | themill: SHUT IT SHEEP LOVER! |
| 12:38.25 | themill | abrotman: I'm not a kiwi! |
| 12:38.26 | asg | themill: thought we were talking about solutions, not protocols. Baaaaaa. |
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| 12:38.36 | idimmu | give them local accounts and use scponly as their shell! |
| 12:38.41 | acv | sftp server i mean. recommendations? |
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| 12:38.43 | themill | asg: indeed... :) |
| 12:39.00 | asg | acv: openssh-server (you should already have it and it comes with sftp) |
| 12:39.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Any ideas? |
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| 12:40.07 | sChaaa | hi |
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| 12:40.31 | sChaaa | any suggestion ton an ircd on debian ? |
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| 12:41.28 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: can't see anything there... does "iwlist wlan0 scan" give you a list of APs? |
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| 12:42.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
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| 12:43.07 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: uhuh.... nfi then. Try asking in #ipw2100. |
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| 12:43.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: I did, nobody seems to know there, either. |
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| 12:46.18 | ziyax | Hello, I wanna prevent from syn attacks some1 attacking our HLDS servers which has webmod with syn attack when i do netstat i see attackers ip with SYV_RECV |
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| 12:51.36 | drew_ | any ideas on how to get a list of manually installed packages? i.e. the ones that apt-get autoremove is generated from |
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| 12:52.26 | abrotman | as opposed to auto-installed? |
| 12:52.30 | abrotman | aptitude can do that IIRC |
| 12:52.43 | abrotman | !installed |
| 12:52.43 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 12:52.52 | abrotman | you might ahve to use the aptitude manual to modify that query |
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| 12:53.07 | abrotman | oh wait .. aptitude search '~i' maybe |
| 12:53.37 | robocop | is back now after a working lunch..trying to work out why I should pay and who to install the ati graphics driver....anyone any ideas then? |
| 12:53.40 | catsup | hm. dpkg -l should not use COLUMNS when stdout is not a tty |
| 12:54.11 | catsup | i'm filing a wishlist bug... |
| 12:54.26 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:55.41 | abrotman | catsup: are you really filing a bug? |
| 12:56.02 | catsup | yeah |
| 12:56.24 | catsup | do you think i should not? |
| 12:56.35 | abrotman | catsup: you would want to verify that it exists .. many of these factoids are pretty old .. some are older than 2000 |
| 12:57.00 | catsup | i will |
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| 12:57.06 | catsup | although i'm running stable |
| 12:57.12 | suwro | hello |
| 12:57.16 | catsup | ok |
| 12:57.17 | azeem | catsup: so make a testing chroot and test there :P |
| 12:57.21 | catsup | in stable, it's already fixed |
| 12:57.26 | abrotman | catsup: see .. not a problem! |
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| 12:57.36 | pippijn | hi all |
| 12:57.40 | abrotman | good thing you didn't make an ass out of yourself in the BTS .. |
| 12:57.44 | abrotman | we get enough of that here :) |
| 12:57.44 | suwro | I am having problems with apache2 and webdav - keep getting :: AuthDigestFile perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration -- I have auth_digest enabled and if I put AuthFile it starts but does not auth. |
| 12:57.48 | catsup | so, how do i file a wishlist bug against dpkg (the bot)? |
| 12:57.56 | abrotman | catsup: you don't |
| 12:57.56 | catsup | ;) |
| 12:58.02 | pippijn | ever since I upgraded x.org from 7.2 to 7.3 on debian lenny, fonts in nearly all X applications have become huge |
| 12:58.03 | heroxbd | I am using the lastest iproute2. How can I setup a isatap tunnel? |
| 12:58.05 | catsup | i'm kidding |
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| 12:58.40 | heroxbd | I type " ip tunnel add is0 mode isatap local <localaddr> remote <server addr> |
| 12:58.54 | E-bola | catsup: i looked into munin, where you referring to the iostat plugin? |
| 12:59.08 | gadi_ | where i find the /sbin/consoletype ? |
| 12:59.09 | drew_ | abrotman: ahh! aptitude search '~i!~M' (thanks!) |
| 12:59.23 | abrotman | drew_: i said a few things after that ... |
| 12:59.38 | pippijn | also, my right alt key is not working correctly anymore |
| 12:59.41 | heroxbd | But it says "no remote for isatap"... I am wondering where can I specifiy the server ip... |
| 12:59.46 | abrotman | drew_: the aptitude manual is really what you want .. and it's a decent read |
| 12:59.55 | abrotman | not like a murder mystery or anything ... |
| 12:59.59 | pippijn | instead of a pipe character, alt+< now produces esc+pipe character |
| 13:00.48 | drew_ | abrotman: but I read enough to solve my riddle :) |
| 13:00.56 | abrotman | good enough for me |
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| 13:04.46 | ziyax | Hello, is there a way to wake up application which went to S1 Stat |
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| 13:06.09 | acv | which vpn server should i use? |
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| 13:07.00 | themill | catsup: COLUMNS= might be necessary under sarge though... so it's worth leaving it there until we're not helping people with sarge->etch any more. |
| 13:08.01 | catsup | themill: it is |
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| 13:08.52 | asg | acv: take a look at openvpn |
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| 13:09.02 | themill | catsup: thought so... (I don't have any sarge boxen left to test such things any more...) Some amount of cleaning up of factoids is always necessary, it's a matter or working out what and when as they come up. |
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| 13:10.51 | aurehman | Eulex: I've downloaded debian netinst... and installed it on my machine |
| 13:11.03 | aurehman | now it is downloading packages from internet |
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| 13:11.44 | aurehman | I need to install # MySQL 5.1.23 RC release candidate on my debian machine |
| 13:11.47 | aurehman | how can i do so |
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| 13:13.29 | themill | aurehman: umm.... are you really sure you want the mysql release candidate? It's available in experimental, but you probably don't want that. /msg dpkg experimental |
| 13:13.55 | abrotman | does he really want mysql? :) |
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| 13:14.21 | catsup | heh |
| 13:14.57 | aurehman | themill: actually this is the requirement of our client |
| 13:15.10 | aurehman | there are some plugins like big-tables |
| 13:15.15 | aurehman | etc... |
| 13:15.25 | aurehman | these are only on # MySQL 5.1.23 RC |
| 13:15.34 | abrotman | your client has a screw loose |
| 13:15.42 | catsup | best not to pay too much attention to your client's 'requirements' |
| 13:16.25 | catsup | it's a simple patch, to change the stable mysql to report version number 5.1.23 RC |
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| 13:17.20 | magyar | hi, after some lenny KDE updates i cant launch most of the applications on Lenny KDE, I get kdeinit errors, anyone else has these issues? |
| 13:17.36 | farion | hello, is there a console-tool to download webdav recursivly? |
| 13:17.44 | aurehman | hahaha... |
| 13:17.54 | aurehman | yes u r right... his all screws are loose |
| 13:18.02 | themill | farion: I believe curl can do that |
| 13:18.17 | themill | farion: or cadaver, actually. |
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| 13:18.28 | farion | themill: how, I tried a lot, but it only downloads one file |
| 13:18.33 | themill | magyar: have you logged out and then logged back in? |
| 13:18.57 | farion | themill: and cadaver did only copy the files and said: "file or directory not found" on the directories |
| 13:18.59 | aurehman | catsup: how can i apply the patch of rc? |
| 13:19.08 | ness | hi, I have returned haven't done any dist-upgrade for some time (vacation etc), now there's about 600 updates. The problem is that my / fs only has about 1GB left, so it could be that there's not enough space for all archive files. Will apt-get somehow take care of this? |
| 13:19.12 | catsup | aurehman: that was a joke |
| 13:20.04 | catsup | aurehman: (but apt-get source mysql, change the version definition in the source file, build the package and install.) |
| 13:21.13 | themill | farion: sorry... it's years since I actually used cadaver so I can't tell you any more than that. |
| 13:21.14 | moshii | neoark: upgrade in stages |
| 13:21.22 | moshii | neoark: sorry, that was for ness |
| 13:21.25 | catsup | ness: try apt-get update, apt-get autoclean, maybe you can get some space |
| 13:22.34 | ness | moshii: as in, select packages to update by hand? |
| 13:22.58 | liable | i wonder how many unique ip's download from debian mirrors. a rough estimate would be nice as to how many debian boxen are out there.. |
| 13:23.25 | aurehman | catsup: ok.. i'll try this |
| 13:23.34 | aurehman | right now it is downloading packages from internet |
| 13:23.34 | moshii | ness: yesh, use aptitude to select a few packages at a time.. it'll tell you how much space you need at the top |
| 13:23.39 | catsup | aurehman: you'd be crazy to actually do that |
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| 13:23.52 | catsup | aurehman: although i have to say--that's my kind of crazy! |
| 13:23.59 | aurehman | catsup: you are right... but dear what to do.. we got money from client |
| 13:24.15 | catsup | yes, it may well be the solution which maximizes your income |
| 13:24.18 | aurehman | he pays us... for his madness |
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| 13:24.54 | aurehman | :) |
| 13:25.19 | aurehman | catsup: you are a good man who gave right solution... |
| 13:25.59 | catsup | aurehman: yes. most of the other people here would hesitate to recommend fraud. |
| 13:27.13 | acv | anyone has used vyatta? |
| 13:27.37 | moshii | !anyone |
| 13:27.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 13:30.21 | aurehman | catsup: you are right |
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| 13:30.57 | aurehman | i found most of the people very nice and good here |
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| 13:31.13 | moshii | is afraid |
| 13:31.14 | Mohero | Hi all |
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| 13:31.23 | Mohero | I have a couple of quick questions... |
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| 13:32.32 | TiCPU | I'm trying to debootstrap from my Gentoo system to install debian on my USB key, but it fails at entering the chroot with the following error: |
| 13:32.33 | TiCPU | mount: relocation error: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_out_of_memory, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 13:32.49 | moshii | Mohero: just ask ;) |
| 13:33.14 | Mohero | I'm doing some work with XKB so that we have APL characters on the keyboard (in Level 2) - I've got a script to set all this up under RedHat - but we will also be supporting Debian for this too, can someone tell me if "/usr/share/X11/xkb/base.xml" is a link to "/etc/X11/xkb/base.xml" |
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| 13:33.54 | Mohero | and also what the oldest supported version of debian is, and when the support ends on it, as for building the .deb's we would want to use the aldest supported we can. |
| 13:34.22 | moshii | TiCPU: library differences by the look of it |
| 13:34.37 | Mohero | sorry base.xml is under /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.xml |
| 13:34.53 | Eulex | aurehman, experimental has 5.1.24rc |
| 13:35.26 | vaq | Can i upload files to a rsync server? or only download from it? |
| 13:35.35 | TiCPU | yes, seems so, but if I can't even chroot inside it, it seems bad, my Gentoo is using libc-2.6.1 and I'm trying to install 'sid' |
| 13:35.59 | TiCPU | sid seems 2.3.6 |
| 13:36.22 | TiCPU | I was sure libc was backward compatible if the major was the same |
| 13:36.39 | moshii | TiCPU: I'm not sure what happens with chroot() and libraries, it would seem the debian executable is built differently though |
| 13:36.42 | aurehman | Eulex: yes u r right it is experimental...anyway lets see |
| 13:36.43 | pippijn | http://www.home.hs-karlsruhe.de/~vapi0012/osiris-200805061523.png <- my fonts have become huge after the upgrade of x.org 7.2 to 7.3 |
| 13:36.46 | pippijn | any ideas? |
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| 13:37.36 | Eulex | pippijn, fix your dpi? change your fonts? |
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| 13:37.48 | pippijn | Eulex: where do I change dpi or fonts? |
| 13:38.03 | pippijn | Eulex: I am also getting these fonts if I use plain X without window manager or anything |
| 13:38.04 | moshii | TiCPU: I dont think it's to do with versions much, more that the debian libc build is different to gentoos |
| 13:38.07 | Eulex | fonts depends on what desktop environment you're using |
| 13:38.07 | TiCPU | no way around that? |
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| 13:38.12 | pippijn | Eulex: none? |
| 13:38.19 | TiCPU | hah |
| 13:38.31 | Eulex | pippijn, then you have to set it in your .gtkrc-2.0, I do not remember the exact syntax |
| 13:38.41 | pippijn | Eulex: it's also in Qt |
| 13:38.44 | TiCPU | built with gcc 4.1.2 for i686 no fuzzy flags and x86 |
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| 13:39.04 | Eulex | pippijn, then I assume that the dpi was what changed |
| 13:39.09 | Eulex | pippijn, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts#.2Fetc.2FX11.2Fxorg.conf |
| 13:39.35 | moshii | TiCPU: it's talking about TLS stuff, debian is probably stricter on what SSL library is linked in |
| 13:39.43 | AussieGuy | apparently in my usage meter, my ISP refers to kilobits as kb |
| 13:39.47 | Eulex | TiCPU, unstable currently has libc6 2.7 |
| 13:40.25 | pippijn | Eulex: I changed displaysize to 1920 1200 (my resolution), but it didn't change anything |
| 13:40.26 | moshii | TiCPU: Being a gentoo user, you should know all about symbols, linking, executable formats etc. otherwise you wouldn't build all your software would you ;) |
| 13:40.52 | Mohero | anyone able to help? |
| 13:40.56 | TiCPU | ohh TLS right |
| 13:41.07 | Eulex | pippijn, then I suggest that you reread that text. |
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| 13:41.32 | pippijn | Eulex: okay, DPI |
| 13:41.35 | pippijn | I'll try that |
| 13:41.36 | pippijn | thanks |
| 13:41.49 | Eulex | pippijn, DisplaySize is set in mm |
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| 13:41.57 | DrXala | plop all |
| 13:42.09 | TiCPU | Eulex: now, maybe my debootstrap isn't retriving up-to-date stuff |
| 13:42.14 | pippijn | Eulex: fixed |
| 13:42.15 | pippijn | Eulex: thanks |
| 13:42.29 | moshii | TiCPU: sorry, actually I don't think your line said anything about TLS,... reading something else and confused it |
| 13:42.34 | TiCPU | moshii: well well I though libc was standard all the way, but I forgot about TLS on this one |
| 13:42.42 | Eulex | pippijn, but you probably do not want to measure your screen; you want to calculate the size your screen would be with a specific resolution and dpi. 96x96 is a favorite. |
| 13:42.58 | Eulex | TiCPU, etch has libc6 2.3.6 |
| 13:43.18 | moshii | TiCPU: you understand how linking works? |
| 13:44.00 | TiCPU | moshii: yes, I'm just not sure how it works when chrooting, does it try to use my currently loaded libc? |
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| 13:44.32 | TiCPU | I'll rm -rf . and start again with sid, because I first used etch then sid afterward |
| 13:44.41 | moshii | TiCPU: I'm not sure, I'd have to look up how that works.. |
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| 13:45.29 | TiCPU | moshii: /bin/bash loads /lib/tls/libc.so.6 and complains that version "GLIBC_2.4" is not found |
| 13:45.43 | moshii | TiCPU: would be nicer if it didn't load up loads of copies of the "same" libraries. |
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| 13:46.04 | Ramattack | Hi!!! |
| 13:46.12 | Ramattack | does anybody use mailgraph in debian here? |
| 13:46.27 | Ramattack | I have a little problem |
| 13:46.32 | TiCPU | yea right, however, with version number appended... it should load different versions in different spaces |
| 13:46.41 | TiCPU | but most applications use libc.so.6 right.. |
| 13:46.44 | moshii | TiCPU: so it would seem it's not using the chroot's version |
| 13:48.03 | Ramattack | when exactly are refreshed weekly and monthly stats and yearly? |
| 13:48.07 | Ramattack | when could it be? |
| 13:48.37 | acv | why isnt vyatta available as a pkg? |
| 13:48.50 | moshii | acv: because you haven't packaged it |
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| 13:52.37 | TiCPU | moshii: with sid.... Can't locate Hash/Util.pm while running dpkg, nice :P |
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| 13:53.10 | moshii | TiCPU: etch gave you the libc problems? |
| 13:53.14 | TiCPU | yes |
| 13:53.27 | TiCPU | and now perl |
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| 13:54.27 | moshii | TiCPU: you aren't running grsecurity patches or something? |
| 13:54.39 | TiCPU | it's wide open |
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| 13:55.10 | TiCPU | ./usr/share/perl/5.10.0/Tie/Hash.pm the only "Hash" found by find |
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| 13:55.54 | kibibyte | hi |
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| 13:56.15 | moshii | TiCPU: have you tried using the cdebootstrap instead? |
| 13:56.18 | TiCPU | oh well, I just though the first one was a common problem |
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| 13:56.41 | TiCPU | what is it? |
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| 13:57.20 | moshii | TiCPU: debootstrap rewritten in c, opposed to perl(?) |
| 13:57.28 | TiCPU | nice, I'll try |
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| 14:00.37 | wurstwolf | hi all |
| 14:00.52 | wurstwolf | maybe anyone of you can help me with an annoying problem |
| 14:01.00 | moshii | !ask |
| 14:01.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:01.25 | moshii | <3 ! |
| 14:01.28 | TiCPU | thank you moshii, I'll see what I can do with the C bootstrapper, I've got to go for now |
| 14:01.48 | wurstwolf | i just installed lenny with kde |
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| 14:02.00 | moshii | TiCPU: you might have more luck with it, your gamble though ;) |
| 14:02.12 | wurstwolf | user management says "user management could not be loaded" |
| 14:02.14 | JoeThomas | Hi, I'm tring to get alsa up but having difficulty. I have playback but its complete distortion. |
| 14:02.34 | TiCPU | thanks, see you later, I might give some news ! |
| 14:02.36 | TiCPU | bye |
| 14:03.10 | moshii | JoeThomas: crackling in the left channel? |
| 14:03.32 | JoeThomas | moshii: both. |
| 14:03.54 | JoeThomas | moshii: I play a 3minute mp3 and it only plays for about 20seconds maybe? |
| 14:04.15 | moshii | JoeThomas: what chipset is it? |
| 14:04.21 | acv | should i add non-free to sources.list in security? |
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| 14:04.37 | JoeThomas | moshii: Creative Labs SB Audigy |
| 14:05.13 | JoeThomas | moshii: when I use aplay it errors "aplay: pcm_write:1269: write error: Inpuit/output error" |
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| 14:06.15 | acv | what's the difference between aptitude upgrade and aptitude dist-upgrade? |
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| 14:07.23 | moshii | JoeThomas: just looking around, is there anything in dmesg? |
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| 14:08.11 | wurstwolf | acv: man apt-get tells you about the differences |
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| 14:08.19 | JoeThomas | moshii: not that i can see |
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| 14:10.47 | moshii | JoeThomas: when it plays, is it too fast or just corrupted? |
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| 14:11.05 | JoeThomas | moshii: corrupted. |
| 14:11.35 | wurstwolf | user management under lenny/kde doesnt work, it says "user management could not be loaded". reinstallation of kuser and kde-guidance didnt seem to change anything |
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| 14:14.14 | Petur_ | Hi all |
| 14:14.40 | idimmu | why hello there Petur_ ! |
| 14:14.49 | moshii | JoeThomas: the only things I can find are about playing with your mixer settings, turning off the digital output etc. There is usually more info around :/ |
| 14:15.02 | JoeThomas | moshii: how do i turn off digital output? |
| 14:15.36 | SolidSlash | does anyone here use xchat? is there any way to make identifying on servers automatic? |
| 14:15.47 | moshii | JoeThomas: there should be a control that you can mute in alsamixer, the name of it might not be obvious though |
| 14:16.02 | JoeThomas | moshii: alright well thanks for the help ill see what i can do |
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| 14:16.58 | moshii | JoeThomas: if you had an intel chip making weird noises I'd be able to help you more. ;) |
| 14:17.03 | JoeThomas | :p |
| 14:17.23 | Petur_ | I'm going to USA for a few days next month, i'll be going to bestbuy to shop for hardware.. they do not seam to have server stuff at their disposal... |
| 14:17.28 | Petur_ | Dunno where to go for server hardware :S |
| 14:17.50 | joako | frys |
| 14:18.09 | Petur_ | as in frys.com ? |
| 14:18.13 | moshii | dell, sun, hp,.. |
| 14:18.28 | Petur_ | sun |
| 14:18.29 | joako | google = frys |
| 14:18.41 | halflife08 | Petur_: personally wouldn't buy stuff from bestbuy (overpriced) |
| 14:18.45 | joako | got the best prices |
| 14:18.51 | Petur_ | halflife08, ohh thanks! |
| 14:18.59 | Petur_ | joako: Cool, it's in every state or so, ye? |
| 14:19.23 | moshii | Petur_: you want to buy sun hardware on the highstreet? |
| 14:19.31 | joako | not sure, but in california is the best |
| 14:19.41 | JoeThomas | Petur_: what about good ol` newegg? |
| 14:19.42 | Petur_ | moshii: Na :) |
| 14:19.56 | Petur_ | I'm not familiar with those chains |
| 14:20.01 | Petur_ | newegg? |
| 14:20.07 | JoeThomas | newegg.com |
| 14:20.19 | Petur_ | Thanks again |
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| 14:21.12 | moshii | Petur_: there are plently of people that will sell you refurb server stuff, we used to get stuff from the us shipped to spain it was so much cheaper. You won't pickup "server" stuff from a shop though |
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| 14:22.24 | Petur_ | moshii: ohh, thanks again :) maby i'll find something on ebay and ask em to ship it to my hotel |
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| 14:22.51 | acv | should i add non-free to sources.list in security? |
| 14:24.41 | wurstwolf | user management under lenny/kde doesnt work, it says "user management could not be loaded". reinstallation of kuser and kde-guidance didnt seem to change anything. any ideas? |
| 14:25.34 | fireba11 | does debian have a list of local users for which NOT to accept mail ? |
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| 14:29.01 | micols | anyone familiar with packet level QoS or throttling of bandwidth? |
| 14:29.13 | asg | micols: lartc.org has all the fun facts |
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| 14:29.16 | micols | i dont know where to start, i want to throttle my bandwidth |
| 14:29.27 | micols | so it never reaches over 90% |
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| 14:29.47 | micols | asg: thanks, ill have a look at it |
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| 14:32.06 | fas3r | i have problem at boot .. it do fsck and block at 60% .. and i will go in maintenance mode |
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| 14:33.28 | fas3r | i have execute fsck manually and it find bad inode .. i need to blacklist bad inode ? it's possible to remount the partition in RW ? ... :s |
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| 14:35.41 | vvd | baaaaaad computa |
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| 14:36.08 | kibibyte | hi |
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| 14:36.16 | kibibyte | how to remove java from debian |
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| 14:37.08 | dimir | :-D |
| 14:37.32 | kibibyte | darkstar:/etc/java# ls -la /etc/alternatives/java |
| 14:37.32 | kibibyte | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2008-05-06 15:25 /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1 |
| 14:37.38 | kibibyte | how to remove it |
| 14:37.52 | kibibyte | darkstar:/etc/java# apt-get remove gij-wrapper-4.1 |
| 14:37.58 | kibibyte | E: Couldn't find package gij-wrapper-4.1 |
| 14:38.14 | kibibyte | ;/ |
| 14:38.23 | asg | kibibyte: apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search bin/gij-wrapper-4.1 |
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| 14:38.32 | dimir | asg no such file |
| 14:38.43 | dimir | I think it's created by postinstall script. |
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| 14:38.52 | dimir | kibibyte: dpkg -l '*java*' | grep ^ii |
| 14:38.55 | kibibyte | apt-file: command not found |
| 14:39.04 | dimir | kibibyte: check the packages and remove java related. |
| 14:40.12 | kibibyte | what is pn and un ? |
| 14:40.38 | dimir | kibibyte: check the header output by dpkg |
| 14:40.47 | dimir | It's all explained there. |
| 14:41.39 | fas3r | vvd: i know bad disk :) .. it's possible i bypass fsck at boot ? |
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| 14:43.09 | SyL | how do I add an alias to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:43.13 | kibibyte | dimir, cant find it |
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| 14:44.14 | dimir | kibibyte: dpkg -l | head -n 6 |
| 14:44.24 | pippijn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.28 | pippijn | oops |
| 14:44.34 | ootput | what's the best way to monitor package status in repos? I'm currently using unstable repos alongside lenny repos for the sole purpose of getting nvidia drivers to work. I'd like to be up to date with nvidia glx' availability in lenny's repo |
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| 14:45.01 | pippijn | dpkg -l | head -n 6 | tail -n1 :-) |
| 14:45.01 | dpkg | No packages found matching | head -n 6 | tail -n1 :-) |
| 14:45.31 | abrotman | SyL: man 5 interfaces |
| 14:45.53 | kibibyte | dimir, i have all the time message dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove java1-runtime which isn't installed. |
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| 14:46.17 | dimir | kibibyte: apt-get -f install |
| 14:46.35 | fas3r | oki it's good i have find :) |
| 14:46.39 | kibibyte | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded. |
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| 14:48.54 | vvd | fas3r: yeah, touch /fastboot |
| 14:49.04 | vvd | will bypass fsck |
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| 14:51.04 | stew | ootput: you can subscribe to the package at http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename |
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| 15:08.23 | lindenle | Is there a tool to make a bunch of NFS disks look like one big disk Something like LVM for NFS? |
| 15:08.46 | abrotman | you mean a bunch of nfs exports appear to be a single export? |
| 15:09.23 | lindenle | abrotman: yes, disks on different machines look like one big mount to the client |
| 15:09.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | Isn't there a setting that lets NFS follow other NFS shares mounted under them? |
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| 15:09.33 | abrotman | !gfs |
| 15:09.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gfs is The Global File System (GFS): it allows multiple Linux machines to share storage devices over a network. See http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/ or http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ |
| 15:09.39 | abrotman | maybe ? |
| 15:09.45 | lindenle | maybe |
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| 15:09.56 | abrotman | there are other similar items |
| 15:10.04 | lindenle | like.... |
| 15:10.27 | asg | lindenle: if the contents of the exported filesystems don't conflict, you could union mount them on the client I suppose |
| 15:10.28 | abrotman | couldn't you put a head node on the whole thing .. and have it attach to the nfs points, and then have it share them out as a single thing ? |
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| 15:11.06 | lindenle | sue could but I was lookin for something simple where I did not have to change the cluster (and... doesn't that make it slow?) |
| 15:11.23 | lindenle | NFS -> NFS-> hardware? |
| 15:11.28 | Meaw | why the "lspci" command isnt working on lenny debian |
| 15:11.38 | acv | should i add non-free to sources.list in security? |
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| 15:11.57 | jorge_ | is GFS better than NFS ? |
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| 15:12.06 | asg | jorge_: fsvo better |
| 15:12.51 | lindenle | abrotman:What were the other utilities? |
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| 15:15.17 | stew | Meaw: be more specific. are you getting an error? are you getting unexpected output? |
| 15:15.18 | sysdef | Hydroxide: thanks for the hint. it's working! *hug* |
| 15:15.24 | ehird | So why doesn't the ruby1.9 have VM::InstructionSequence? :( |
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| 15:15.43 | Meaw | stew, no just lspci command not found. |
| 15:15.52 | Meaw | -bash: lspci: command not found |
| 15:16.21 | Eulex | !find bin/lspci |
| 15:16.52 | disco- | apt-get install pciutils |
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| 15:17.11 | Eulex | yeah, right, if dpkg could be done updating its sources anytime soon |
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| 15:17.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lspci' (1): (/usr/bin/lspci) in admin/pciutils. |
| 15:17.41 | asg | !botsnack |
| 15:17.41 | dpkg | aw, gee, asg |
| 15:17.43 | jorge_ | asg fsvo ? ? |
| 15:17.44 | stew | Meaw: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 15:17.48 | asg | !fsvo |
| 15:17.48 | dpkg | [fsvo] For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 15:17.48 | stew | !fsvo |
| 15:18.06 | jorge_ | !fsvo |
| 15:18.06 | dpkg | i heard fsvo is For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 15:18.12 | Meaw | oh ok got it thanks |
| 15:18.37 | asg | jorge_: read the links to the redhat docs listed above. The documentation is comprehensive and should give you an idea if you wish to use it vs. NFS. |
| 15:19.08 | jorge_ | ok, thanks |
| 15:19.13 | Meaw | another question, lspci now shows that i've 3 ethernet cards, i have 2 configured in /etc/network/interfaces ,but now im trying to configure the 3rd card like ifconfig eth1 x.x.x.x netmask 255.255.255.0 up ..but it says device not found. |
| 15:19.34 | asg | Meaw: one is probably a firewire interface |
| 15:19.40 | stew | Meaw: does it show up when you run "ifconfig -a"? |
| 15:19.41 | asg | Meaw: what does /sbin/ifconfig -a show? |
| 15:20.26 | Meaw | no |
| 15:20.36 | Meaw | something like |
| 15:20.37 | Meaw | eth1_rename_ren Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:f3:96:bf:bc |
| 15:20.41 | Meaw | only |
| 15:20.56 | stew | Meaw: this means that udev got confused while trying to rename it, /msg dpkg z25 |
| 15:21.17 | Meaw | it was working fine yesterday but when i was trying to bond it with another card.. |
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| 15:22.11 | Meaw | so if i changed the card name from eth1 to something else will it work? |
| 15:22.50 | stew | Meaw: i'd suggest fixing the z25 file so that the card gets a more sane name |
| 15:23.52 | acv | how do i use checksecurity>? |
| 15:24.12 | stew | acv: have you tried /usr/share/doc/checksecurity ? |
| 15:24.15 | asg | acv: /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/* |
| 15:25.05 | stew | asg and I sure are synced well today |
| 15:25.16 | asg | :) |
| 15:25.44 | themill | Great minds, etc. |
| 15:25.47 | acv | stew, yes |
| 15:25.56 | acv | nothing |
| 15:26.14 | asg | themill: he has the great mind, I just managed to find a window of sobriety |
| 15:26.19 | acv | also should i have acpid running on a lamp server? |
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| 15:26.58 | Meaw | stew, what to change on the z25 file? the ethernet card name? and then change it from /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:27.06 | asg | acv: if the server supports acpi and you have a need to respond to events, yes. Otherwise, no. |
| 15:27.28 | stew | Meaw: that's what I'd think. are there two current entries for eth1 or something? |
| 15:27.32 | acv | asg: hm when would i have a need? |
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| 15:27.50 | acv | i run the said install in a virtual environment |
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| 15:28.16 | Meaw | stew, no just three enteries, eth0 eth1 eth2 |
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| 15:29.16 | asg | acv: then you probably don't. |
| 15:29.20 | bijur | all: hello al |
| 15:29.47 | asg | !seen al |
| 15:29.47 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'al', asg |
| 15:29.53 | humbolto | can anybody imagine a way to install debian from within another running debian and that from a live CD? |
| 15:30.01 | humbolto | or install CD? |
| 15:30.05 | asg | humbolto: debootstrap |
| 15:30.26 | humbolto | asg: I know debootstrap, but can I install from a CD somehow? |
| 15:30.44 | acv | also should i add non-free to sources.list in security? |
| 15:30.58 | humbolto | asg: Could I boot up a xen domU and boot from the CD but install to a real disk? |
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| 15:31.59 | asg | humbolto: I'm pretty sure you can but I've never done that with xen. (The Xen manual probably has info on that) |
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| 15:36.51 | twobitwork | lintian is complaining the my manpages aren't compressed in my package... what's the debian way to cause that to happen? |
| 15:36.57 | richd_ | so i am getting an error, "Can't have overlapping partitions" I think when i installed windows last night, it created an extended partition and messed with my partition numbers. Any guesses how i can use parted and such again? |
| 15:37.12 | richd_ | twobitwork: sorry, i dunno |
| 15:37.41 | acv | asg? |
| 15:38.06 | asg | acv: sorry? |
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| 15:38.50 | And1 | Does anyone know how I can change my mp3-tags and file-names from ISO-8859-15 to UTF-8 with easytag (or maybe another nice tool...)? |
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| 15:39.17 | Zharf | And1, I use picard |
| 15:39.27 | Zharf | well, picardqt actually |
| 15:39.48 | Bushmills | richd_: linux fdisk has a "verify" which might tell you which partition is the culprit. deleting the overlapping - not the overlapped - and recreating it should fix it. |
| 15:40.02 | And1 | Zharf: Hrm, that's not in Etch or in the backports. =/ |
| 15:40.04 | richd_ | coolio, thanks Bushmills |
| 15:40.17 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 15:40.30 | HardDisk_WP | i know, that in a firmware file, that there is a GZIP file embedded |
| 15:40.42 | HardDisk_WP | how can I strip it out of the firmware binary? |
| 15:40.46 | Zharf | And1, no, it isn't |
| 15:41.13 | asg | HardDisk_WP: with dd if you know where it is located and how large it is |
| 15:41.24 | HardDisk_WP | asg, that is the problem... |
| 15:41.28 | HardDisk_WP | i dunno both |
| 15:41.38 | And1 | Zharf: Can I simply change ISO characters to UTF-8 with it? |
| 15:41.39 | HardDisk_WP | but shouldn't it be possible to find out via magic bytes? |
| 15:41.44 | acv | asg: can you answer my question regarding the nonfree? |
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| 15:42.17 | asg | HardDisk_WP: you could look for them with a hex editor or something I suppose. |
| 15:42.21 | richd_ | Bushmills: i didn't see the verify option/switch in fdisk man page... can you tell me the syntax of rit or where i could find it on my comp? |
| 15:42.29 | asg | acv: try it and see, it can't hurt and won't break anything. |
| 15:42.31 | themill | acv: yes you should, but there aren't many non-free security updates. |
| 15:42.40 | Zharf | And1, I'm not sure, , maybe not... you'd probably need to get the tagging data from musicbrainz with it and retag |
| 15:42.45 | Bushmills | richd, should be "v" |
| 15:42.51 | HardDisk_WP | asg, in a 10 MB file?? sorry, but i don't know the magic bytes...and i'm no hex edit geek ^^ |
| 15:43.03 | HardDisk_WP | don't there any tools exist for that kinda stuff? |
| 15:43.19 | Bushmills | richd_: gnu-fdisk doesn't have that one. fdisk has |
| 15:43.22 | stew | Meaw: show us the contents of that file, and the output of "ifconfig -a" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:43.22 | richd_ | hmmm... for me that just outputs the fdisk version |
| 15:43.30 | asg | HardDisk_WP: the magic bytes will be listed in /etc/magic. You may also want to run 'strings' on it to see if anything interesting pops up. |
| 15:43.37 | richd_ | ah |
| 15:44.04 | And1 | Zharf: Ah, hrm... - Well, actually EasyTAG has options which should solve my problem, but they kind don't do it... or I misunderstand it... http://www.abload.de/img/easytagr1i.png |
| 15:44.15 | asg | HardDisk_WP: or /usr/share/misc/file/magic |
| 15:44.16 | Bushmills | richd_: seems that fdisk has been dropped. |
| 15:44.16 | HardDisk_WP | asg, yeah, that's how i found that there is a gz embedded^^ |
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| 15:44.41 | richd_ | lol, darn. thing the windows version has a chance at doing it right? |
| 15:44.48 | richd_ | think* |
| 15:45.09 | asg | HardDisk_WP: well, just because that sequence shows up in a binary doesn't mean that there is a gz inside, unless you know for a fact there is one. |
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| 15:46.05 | Bushmills | i suspect it is a matter of using half a cylinder of a partition which the other doesn't like, expecting use of a whole cyclinder only. |
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| 15:47.56 | Bushmills | richd_: you can check with fdisk "p" command whether there is an obvious overlap between partitions |
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| 15:49.03 | richd_ | Bushmills: you mean, "fdisk -p" ? |
| 15:49.26 | Bushmills | no. fdisk /dev/... , and then interactively "p" |
| 15:49.38 | richd_ | ok |
| 15:49.44 | stoned | hi |
| 15:49.48 | bijur | hello |
| 15:49.48 | Bushmills | from cmd line it would be fdisk -l |
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| 15:50.09 | stoned | trying to build a document server |
| 15:50.16 | bijur | how can there be an "obvious overlap" of partitions |
| 15:50.17 | stoned | auto fax, email, etc. etc. |
| 15:50.20 | bijur | that shouldnt happen right? |
| 15:50.33 | stoned | takes input from the scanner |
| 15:50.35 | Bushmills | not extremely consistent ... |
| 15:50.52 | richd_ | haha, ask M$ |
| 15:50.55 | stoned | what fax software does debian have available that is good (or I could just go one by one in the package list, install and check) |
| 15:50.58 | stoned | what do you recomment? |
| 15:51.02 | bijur | fdisk -l would list you the entire set of partitions |
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| 15:51.03 | richd_ | anything is possible when you trust them |
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| 15:51.12 | richd_ | ya, i am getting it with this |
| 15:51.24 | richd_ | hopefully this will fix it Bushmills |
| 15:51.31 | HardDisk_WP | asg, any way to tell file to scan the firmware for every magic byte it knows at any location? |
| 15:51.35 | bijur | richd_: ms or not, u cannot have overlapping partitions |
| 15:51.38 | bijur | unless ofcourse |
| 15:51.44 | Bushmills | that only lists. it is still up to you to take steps to fix it |
| 15:51.48 | richd_ | extended? |
| 15:51.59 | bijur | one's an extended partition and the others are logical partitions inside the extended partitions |
| 15:52.01 | richd_ | that has arbitrary number |
| 15:52.03 | richd_ | ya |
| 15:52.05 | bijur | which is perfectly alright |
| 15:52.14 | richd_ | we'll see |
| 15:52.15 | Bushmills | i assume the logical partitions (in the extended) are overlapping, that is the ones >4 |
| 15:52.32 | richd_ | actually, the windows extended partition is hda2 |
| 15:52.40 | bijur | ok.. and ? |
| 15:52.42 | richd_ | and then 3-6 |
| 15:52.45 | richd_ | are in it |
| 15:52.53 | bijur | that sounds fine to me |
| 15:52.56 | richd_ | but previously i had 5-6 in an extended |
| 15:52.58 | Bushmills | no, 5 and 6 |
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| 15:53.14 | asg | HardDisk_WP: maybe using od(1) to dump it in hex or some other format and grepping. |
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| 15:53.18 | richd_ | and completely different positions for start and end on it |
| 15:53.23 | bijur | u cud check the blocks beginning and ending in fdisk -l |
| 15:53.26 | bijur | ,fdisk |
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| 15:53.36 | bijur | , fdisk |
| 15:54.00 | bijur | \begin{enumerate} |
| 15:54.02 | bijur | oops |
| 15:54.04 | bijur | wrong window |
| 15:54.08 | bijur | wrong tab rather |
| 15:54.08 | bijur | :)) |
| 15:54.16 | asg | !latexsmite bijur |
| 15:54.20 | richd_ | and reboot time |
| 15:54.24 | hoxu | !penixstrike asg |
| 15:54.24 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking asg to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 15:54.36 | efaistos | did someone use cowbuilder recently ? I cant setup any chroot with it .. |
| 15:54.47 | bijur | asg: *winks* |
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| 15:54.50 | asg | hoxu: yeah, he must have done it from the Heavens since he left irc hours ago |
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| 15:55.38 | bijur | lol |
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| 15:56.18 | Meaw | stew, i changed the ethernet card from z25 and /etc/network/interfaces and restarted the network |
| 15:56.21 | Meaw | but still the same |
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| 15:57.18 | richd_ | dang |
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| 15:57.31 | richd_ | fdisk had no probs now, but still have the error |
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| 15:57.44 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 15:57.50 | richd_ | can read all parts jsut fine except for the one that is the extended part num |
| 15:57.56 | KomiaPoika | what package must i install to have flash plugin in firefox? |
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| 15:57.57 | stew | Meaw: just restarting the network would not effect the changes in z25 |
| 15:58.04 | richd_ | will have to tinker... |
| 15:58.19 | richd_ | thanks Bushmills and bijur |
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| 15:58.33 | bijur | richd_: no pblmo boss ! |
| 15:58.40 | stew | KomiaPoika: what arch are you running? do you want adobe's non-free flash plugin? or gnu's free plugin? |
| 15:58.50 | Bushmills | what is he trying to do with the extended partition i wonder |
| 15:58.55 | bijur | stew: gnash sucks! |
| 15:58.55 | Meaw | stew, what should i restart then |
| 15:58.56 | KomiaPoika | stew: i have etch and i dont mind non-free |
| 15:59.05 | bijur | stew: it needs some serious work on it |
| 15:59.05 | KomiaPoika | stew: and machine is amd64 |
| 15:59.05 | bijur | :D |
| 15:59.40 | bijur | KomiaPoika: u'll need 32 bit plugin wrappers to have any sort of flash on the system |
| 15:59.44 | stew | KomiaPoika: there is no adobe plugin for amd64, so your choices are gnu's gnash, to run iceweasel in a 32 bit chroot, or nspluginwrapper |
| 16:00.03 | bijur | nspluginwrapper is pretty good, use that. |
| 16:00.06 | KomiaPoika | which is fastest to play web videos? |
| 16:00.21 | stew | bijur: #gnash is the place to look for helping make gnash better |
| 16:00.22 | KomiaPoika | bijur: how is it called? |
| 16:00.30 | bijur | gnash sucks no matter how u look at it .. and the only reason why i dont slate it more is cos i dinn pay for it |
| 16:00.36 | bijur | and cos i am freeloader |
| 16:00.38 | stew | KomiaPoika: gnash would be faster than nspluginwrapper |
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| 16:01.05 | stew | gnash doesn't suck the way i look at it |
| 16:01.23 | bijur | stew: is this on the assumption that using gnash would make sure u r still on 64 bit while nspluginwrapper would bring it down to 32bit? |
| 16:01.36 | KomiaPoika | how is the 32bit plugin wrapper package called? |
| 16:01.39 | Bushmills | well there is at least one way gnash doesn't suck - it can be improved |
| 16:01.50 | bijur | KomiaPoika:nspluginwrapper |
| 16:01.53 | stew | bijur: no |
| 16:02.01 | KomiaPoika | E: Couldn't find package nspluginwrapper |
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| 16:02.50 | stew | KomiaPoika: its not in debian. you can get it from backports.org's contrib repository, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 16:03.10 | Meaw | stew, what do i have to restart to make an effect on z25? |
| 16:03.17 | bijur | i think its only in ubuntu |
| 16:03.18 | bijur | :D |
| 16:03.31 | stew | bijur: debian distributes it |
| 16:03.31 | bijur | u can get an ubuntu .deb file and install it here |
| 16:03.41 | KomiaPoika | thank you stew |
| 16:03.44 | bijur | stew: used to right? |
| 16:03.48 | stew | bijur: still does |
| 16:04.03 | stew | bijur: please don't recommend that people install ubuntu .debs on debian |
| 16:04.07 | stew | Meaw: udev |
| 16:04.10 | bijur | stew: i just tried doing an apt-cache dinn find it |
| 16:04.10 | KomiaPoika | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 16:04.16 | bijur | stew: am on gnash by the way |
| 16:04.17 | bijur | :D |
| 16:04.28 | stew | bijur: what? |
| 16:04.35 | Bushmills | KomiaPoika: topic |
| 16:04.48 | stew | KomiaPoika: read the instructions page at backports.org |
| 16:05.05 | bijur | stew: no am on adobe, a small misunderstanding |
| 16:05.09 | bijur | i had installed it first |
| 16:05.12 | bijur | then removed it |
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| 16:05.31 | bijur | hey |
| 16:05.43 | bijur | whats this? FutureSplash Player |
| 16:05.52 | bijur | tis is what i am running on ?!!! |
| 16:06.01 | bijur | only god knows why |
| 16:06.01 | bijur | :D |
| 16:06.07 | bijur | seems to work fine though |
| 16:06.07 | bijur | :D |
| 16:06.29 | Meaw | stew, still the same :/ |
| 16:06.45 | stew | Meaw: show us the contents of that file, and the output of "ifconfig -a" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:07.29 | stew | Meaw: or you can rename the interface by hand with something like 'ip link set name newname dev oldname' |
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| 16:08.02 | KomiaPoika | i install nsplugwrapper, but firefox still cant play videos |
| 16:08.24 | Meaw | stew, i did on the z25 file and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:08.30 | Meaw | i changed it from eth1 to eth3 |
| 16:08.46 | stew | KomiaPoika: nspluginwrapper isn't a video player, its just a way to let you install a 32 bit plugin into a 64 bit browser |
| 16:08.53 | Meaw | but im still getting this in ifconfig -a , eth1_rename_ren Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:f3:96:bf:bc |
| 16:09.04 | KomiaPoika | stew: okay, then how is the flash player plugin for firefox called? |
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| 16:09.56 | KomiaPoika | ok i foiund |
| 16:10.06 | Meaw | stew, here http://rafb.net/p/UInT3342.html |
| 16:10.26 | KomiaPoika | wtf |
| 16:10.28 | KomiaPoika | The web browser you are using to view this video is not supported. Please use one of the supported browsers: |
| 16:10.57 | acv | i didnt install rsync or execute it but it is running . why? |
| 16:11.04 | acv | rsync daemnon |
| 16:11.04 | KomiaPoika | how do i make iceweasel declare itself as firefox?N |
| 16:11.11 | Meaw | stew, and here the ifconfig -a http://rafb.net/p/bbGcwJ27.html |
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| 16:12.11 | bijur | browser identification? |
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| 16:12.22 | KomiaPoika | bijur: where do i set it |
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| 16:12.45 | stew | acv: its running becuase someone installed rsync and enabled the rsynd daemon |
| 16:13.06 | stew | Meaw: so the problem is that you have two different cards listed there with the same MAC address |
| 16:13.34 | stew | Meaw: both eth0 and eth1_rename_ren have 00:18:f3:96:bf:bc |
| 16:13.36 | acv | stew: i'm running lamp and postfix and proftpd |
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| 16:13.44 | acv | could it be one of those? |
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| 16:13.47 | bijur | good question .. i just searched |
| 16:13.48 | jzu_ | Aynone running Debian on SPARC with other filesystem than EXT3? |
| 16:13.49 | stew | acv: no |
| 16:13.49 | bijur | cudnt find it |
| 16:14.21 | Meaw | stew, yeah i told you i was trying to bond eth0 and eth1 together yesterday and when it didnt work i removed it |
| 16:14.28 | stew | Meaw: yes |
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| 16:14.46 | acv | stew: i dont see it in ps aux output |
| 16:14.54 | acv | but it shuts it down upon reboot |
| 16:14.59 | Meaw | stew, how to fix that |
| 16:15.02 | jzu_ | Would you recommend using other filesystem than EXT3 SPARC? |
| 16:15.12 | stew | Meaw: do you have two sundance cards? or one card with two ports? or what? |
| 16:15.18 | stew | acv: do see what? |
| 16:15.24 | asg | jzu_: I've never found a reason to use any filesystem other than ext3 |
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| 16:15.40 | stew | acv: the rsync daemon? are you running it via inetd? i think that is the typical way to run it |
| 16:15.50 | jzu_ | asg: I've heard that EXT3 tends to corrupt files after long uptimes |
| 16:15.50 | Meaw | stew, 1 sundance card and two amdtek |
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| 16:16.13 | acv | default runlevel is 2? |
| 16:16.14 | asg | jzu_: not in my experience |
| 16:16.26 | acv | stew: yes the rsync daemon |
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| 16:16.46 | jzu_ | asg: yeah thats what I've experienced too |
| 16:16.49 | stew | acv: is it exposed via inetd? |
| 16:16.57 | stew | acv: default runlevel in debian is 2 |
| 16:17.14 | acv | no i don't run inetd |
| 16:18.00 | stew | 12:08 < acv> i didnt install rsync or execute it but it is running . why? 12:12 < acv> stew: i dont see it in ps aux output |
| 16:18.15 | stew | acv: if you don't see it in ps aux, then what makes you think it is running? |
| 16:18.40 | acv | stew: in shutdown it says shutting down rsync daemon |
| 16:19.12 | stew | acv: that doesn't mean it is running. that means something is trying to stop it if it is running |
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| 16:19.32 | acv | stew, hm.. |
| 16:19.33 | stew | acv: what des "grep ENABLE /etc/default/rsync" return? |
| 16:19.59 | acv | stew, false |
| 16:20.12 | stew | acv: then it wouldn't be started |
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| 16:20.56 | acv | stew: ok thanks. also every file with S in fron in /etc/rc2.d/ doesnt get started on each boot? |
| 16:20.59 | stew | Meaw: it looks to me like the opposite is true. I see two different sundance cards with the same hwaddr, and one tulip |
| 16:21.23 | stew | acv: that means the init script is called the init script checks the value of RSYNC_ENABLE and decides not do do anything |
| 16:21.25 | asg | acv: it does but /etc/default/<pkg> may be configured not to start a service |
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| 16:21.51 | acv | stew:i installed and then removed acct but it has an entry in /etc/default/ |
| 16:21.53 | acv | why? |
| 16:22.12 | asg | acv: you didn't --purge the package? |
| 16:22.22 | stew | acv: becuase you didn't purge it, so configuration files remain |
| 16:22.28 | asg | rsyncs with stew |
| 16:22.31 | acv | ah thanks |
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| 16:22.33 | acv | lol |
| 16:22.39 | acv | im a new user |
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| 16:22.44 | Teltariat | greets folks. |
| 16:23.06 | Meaw | stew, if i changed the ethernet card, will that fix the problem? |
| 16:23.32 | stew | Meaw: maybe |
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| 16:23.40 | stew | Meaw: you could also just disable the renaming of cards |
| 16:23.43 | KomiaPoika | re |
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| 16:24.17 | KomiaPoika | i'm trying to install nvidia drivers using the method on http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt, but i get: Package nvidia-kernel-common is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 16:24.29 | Meaw | stew, how to disable the renaming of the cards :/ |
| 16:24.29 | KomiaPoika | how do i get it? |
| 16:24.34 | stew | Meaw: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 16:24.45 | stew | uhh |
| 16:25.03 | Meaw | I renamed the card but still the same |
| 16:25.11 | Meaw | it was eth1, i changed to eth3 ^^ |
| 16:25.19 | stew | Meaw: nm, that no longer mentions it. there is a /etc/udev/rules.d/z45_persistent-net-generator.rules ; if you move that away, it will stop |
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| 16:25.24 | stew | Meaw: how did you rename the card? |
| 16:25.47 | bijur | hey what does Yahoo Mail run on? |
| 16:25.52 | Meaw | stew, edited /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules changed eth1 to eth3 |
| 16:26.07 | Meaw | stew, also from /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:26.17 | stew | Meaw: you may have to unload and reload the driver for that renaming to actually happen |
| 16:26.31 | stew | Meaw: but so long as you have two cards with the same MAC address, udev is going to have these problems |
| 16:26.35 | acv | how do i disable cd and floppy? |
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| 16:27.00 | stew | Meaw: did you do anything to somehow change one of the card's MAC address? |
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| 16:27.18 | Meaw | stew, no just bonding it together |
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| 16:28.11 | Nurulwai | Does anyone know of something that would cause a debian box to reboot all of its own accord and leave nothing indicating the reboot in the logs? All I can see in the logfiles is it starting up, nothing indicating a reboot. |
| 16:28.36 | Bushmills | Nurulwai: CPU too hot |
| 16:28.46 | suwro | hello - does anyone know if webdav can save as real user not as apache or http ??? I have an ftp account - and www-data has only read access - security reason |
| 16:28.48 | stew | Nurulwai: faulty hardware |
| 16:28.55 | asg | Nurulwai: does 'last -a' report 'crash' anywhere? |
| 16:29.08 | acv | should i use vsftpd or proftpd? |
| 16:29.23 | cusco | in my opinion? vsftpd |
| 16:29.25 | Bushmills | acv: what for? |
| 16:29.29 | bijur | Cud it be a script doing it? |
| 16:29.37 | acv | ftp server |
| 16:29.48 | Bushmills | acv: own use? public use? |
| 16:30.02 | acv | Bushmills, public use |
| 16:30.07 | cusco | proftpd is good for webhosting scripts that create several "virtual" users |
| 16:30.10 | Nurulwai | asg: Yes - there was a powercut at 11AM this morning ,it shows that. (0751 - crash) |
| 16:30.15 | stew | acv: if you are familiar with one or the other, use that one. if you are not familiar with either. vsftpd has a better track record |
| 16:30.21 | stew | cusco: so is vsftpd |
| 16:30.35 | asg | Nurulwai: then that would cause it to reboot if the power was cut. |
| 16:30.41 | cusco | but if you manage it yourself, not trough some vhcs or webmin or whatever then vsftpd is the obvious choice |
| 16:31.06 | Nurulwai | asg: It was powered on at 1307 after the crash (indicated in the last -a_ |
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| 16:31.18 | suwro | ?? |
| 16:31.24 | suwro | webdav anyone? |
| 16:31.24 | Nurulwai | asg: But following that, there is another 'reboot' at 1611, the mystery one which I'm trying to track down |
| 16:31.31 | twobitwork | what's the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap |
| 16:31.32 | twobitwork | ? |
| 16:31.41 | asg | Nurulwai: does it say reboot or crash at 1611? |
| 16:31.54 | asg | suwro: sftp ftw |
| 16:31.59 | Nurulwai | Spamming two lines: |
| 16:32.00 | Nurulwai | reboot system boot Tue May 6 16:11 - 17:31 (01:19) 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 16:32.00 | Nurulwai | reboot system boot Tue May 6 13:07 - 17:31 (04:24) 2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 16:32.05 | cusco | twobitwork: I could figure that out by the name |
| 16:32.12 | Nurulwai | no crash between those two events |
| 16:32.24 | KomiaPoika | whats the best way to install nvidia drivers on etch and amd64? |
| 16:32.33 | asg | Nurulwai: is the server in a rack that also hosts windows systems and they all share a single KVM? |
| 16:32.44 | twobitwork | cusco: awesome, mind sharing? |
| 16:32.48 | Nurulwai | asg: Nope, standalone box under me desk. :-) |
| 16:32.53 | Bushmills | acv: without user access control, i suppose it doesn't really make a lot of difference. proftpd may be easier to setup. both seem to re relatively secure (if you can call ftp secure, of course) |
| 16:33.01 | Nurulwai | asg: Completely headless, only has a power cable and a network cable |
| 16:33.12 | cusco | twobitwork: the later debotstraps from a local CD repo |
| 16:33.14 | suwro | asg: i use eclipse - which dropped the ftp - i keep getting syncronize errors on eclipse ftp syncronisation |
| 16:33.23 | asg | Nurulwai: ah, I've seen that before in my datacenter where sloppy windows admins will login with ctrl_alt_del but reboot a linux box since they didn't see which console they were on. |
| 16:33.39 | twobitwork | cusco: then why does it accept a argument for a debian mirror? |
| 16:33.39 | Nurulwai | Haha |
| 16:33.56 | Nurulwai | It's kind of odd, as it seems to consider those two boots running concurrently |
| 16:33.57 | asg | Nurulwai: we replace the line in /etc/inittab with 'echo this is not a windows box noob'. |
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| 16:34.19 | twobitwork | cusco: also, debootstrap will work from a cd too with file:///... |
| 16:34.25 | asg | Nurulwai: could be corruption in the file but that does look odd. |
| 16:34.40 | cusco | twobitwork: then I don't know |
| 16:34.53 | cahoot | asg: what reaction does that line provoke? |
| 16:34.53 | twobitwork | cusco: then don't be so quick to be a smartass |
| 16:35.09 | cusco | I will remember that |
| 16:35.29 | asg | cahoot: not much of one anymore but it was funny for a while. |
| 16:36.12 | webPragmatist | how can I copy the entire image of my drive with debian (partitions and all?) |
| 16:36.43 | the-dude | webPragmatist: with dd |
| 16:37.04 | cusco | webPragmatist: I would say with dd - but I don't know how to use it |
| 16:37.05 | stew | twobitwork: the difference is that cdebootstrap is implemented in c |
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| 16:37.12 | twobitwork | stew: ahh, thanks |
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| 16:37.26 | stew | twobitwork: they should be functionally equivalant |
| 16:37.28 | Nurulwai | asg: I must have done apt-get install mitosis or something while half asleep. Oh well, at least I'm not actually insane and it is being bizzare. |
| 16:37.37 | twobitwork | stew: that's kind of what I assumed, but just wanted to make sure :P) |
| 16:37.37 | the-dude | dd if=/dev/$harddisk of=/placeoutput |
| 16:37.38 | webPragmatist | does dd stand for something? |
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| 16:37.47 | webPragmatist | diskdrive heh? |
| 16:37.47 | Meaw | stew, in my case what would you to fix that problem? |
| 16:38.39 | asg | Nurulwai: did you fsck the drive when it came up? |
| 16:38.45 | the-dude | perhaps data dump or so |
| 16:38.57 | twobitwork | the-dude, webPragmatist: unless you need to preserve every inane detail of where files are located on the disk, etc, then I would recommend tar -jcf /somewhere/img.tar.gz / |
| 16:39.07 | stew | Meaw: you have two cards with the same MAC address. this is odd. if you say that it is a sundance card with only one port, then you probably only need to use one anyway and can ignore the eth1_rename_ren card. |
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| 16:39.34 | Nurulwai | asg: I didn't do anything - I wasn't here. It appears to have done the autofixing for the boot after the crash. The first and second recorded reboot are about three hours apart, and the second one appears to be a clean boot. |
| 16:39.37 | webPragmatist | twobitwork: does that copy like the swap and everything? |
| 16:39.41 | stew | Meaw: if you are trying to figure out how to configure both of your tulip cards, you should start by trying to figure out why only one of your tulip cards is showing up |
| 16:39.42 | the-dude | twobitwork: that wont keep his partitions |
| 16:39.44 | webPragmatist | twobitwork: and partitions |
| 16:39.51 | webPragmatist | yea :) |
| 16:39.52 | Nurulwai | It looks like it wasoperating normally for the three hours til the second recorded boot |
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| 16:40.01 | webPragmatist | thanks i will read more about dd |
| 16:40.07 | the-dude | webPragmatist: a tar doesn't keep your partitions |
| 16:40.08 | twobitwork | webPragmatist, the-dude: if you want to keep the partition table then just dd the first sector |
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| 16:40.22 | asg | Nurulwai: so, possibly corrupt file after the first boot. That's all I can think of unless the logs show anything around either start or final times. |
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| 16:41.07 | twobitwork | keep in mind, that dd will also copy all of the empty space on your drive as well... better to just dd the first sector to get the partition table and tar everything else |
| 16:41.09 | o2T7 | ping enouf ! |
| 16:41.14 | Nurulwai | The logs don't indicate anything with regards to a reboot initiation, only that all of a sudden it's booting again. No errors that I can see. |
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| 16:41.18 | Nurulwai | Bizzarity. |
| 16:41.22 | webPragmatist | hrm ok |
| 16:41.28 | webPragmatist | do something like |
| 16:41.33 | stew | twobitwork: keep in mind that the first sector might be only a portion of the partition table |
| 16:41.33 | the-dude | twobitwork: that true but if he doesn't now how to use dd, then a dd of his partitions will be hard ;) |
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| 16:41.52 | twobitwork | stew: ok, first couple of sectors... how many do you thin you need? |
| 16:41.53 | stew | sfdisk is a better tool for backing up a partition table |
| 16:42.06 | twobitwork | ahh, there we go |
| 16:42.10 | twobitwork | listen to stew :) |
| 16:42.15 | stew | twobitwork: i don't know where the data for extended partitions is stored on the disk |
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| 16:42.38 | stew | twobitwork: but i'd assume it was in the partition itself |
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| 16:42.39 | webPragmatist | ah good point |
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| 16:42.49 | webPragmatist | isn't the partition the first 512 bytes? |
| 16:43.02 | bijur | hey what are the opensource development tools available to us? |
| 16:43.03 | Meaw | stew, i can change the ethernet card but im not sure if i'll get this problem again or no |
| 16:43.10 | bijur | i can think of only emacs and blue fish |
| 16:43.12 | JoeThomas | Alright, so I ran alsaconf and now i get a never ending amount of errors of the same thing on boot so I can't login and remove alsa, how can I get into a safe mode or whatnot. |
| 16:43.13 | bijur | any else? |
| 16:43.18 | balzac5000 | I've recently upgraded our web server from sarge to etch and the symbolic links in HTML land pointing to other HTML files are being displayed as raw HTML in the browser. The upgrade *did* keep the previous httpd.conf file - anyone have a clue? |
| 16:43.19 | twobitwork | bijur: if its open source, it's probably in debian :) |
| 16:43.35 | bijur | i meant in debian what are the dev tools available? |
| 16:43.43 | themill | bijur: for development of what? |
| 16:43.48 | bijur | anything |
| 16:43.51 | o2T7 | JoeThomas: you can pass the "single" option to the kernel boot |
| 16:43.53 | twobitwork | bijur: ohh... vi and make, what else do you need? |
| 16:43.55 | twobitwork | :P |
| 16:43.55 | bijur | something along the lines of eclipse etc |
| 16:43.56 | helo | bijur: in that case, just about everything :) |
| 16:44.01 | helo | eclipse is available... |
| 16:44.05 | stew | bijur: aptitude search '~sdevel' |
| 16:44.10 | JoeThomas | o2T7: I ran in single user mode. |
| 16:44.14 | bijur | but eclipse isnt open source right? |
| 16:44.17 | helo | it is |
| 16:44.18 | twobitwork | sure it is |
| 16:44.20 | stew | Meaw: what is the problem you are trying to solve? |
| 16:44.28 | Blinny | I need to change a compile-time option of a package. Is this possible using any dpkg* or do I need to work from the source package? |
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| 16:44.52 | o2T7 | JoeThomas: And you can't login? |
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| 16:45.01 | twobitwork | Blinny: first check to see if there is a package which has that flag enabled |
| 16:45.01 | stew | Blinny: if its a compile time option, you have to recompile the source, /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 16:45.08 | Meaw | stew, to get the 3rd network card working and remove this from ifconfig -a |
| 16:45.09 | Meaw | eth1_rename_ren Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:f3:96:bf:bc |
| 16:45.25 | Blinny | stew/twobitwork: Cheers. Thanks. |
| 16:45.34 | JoeThomas | o2T7: No, because the errors come up before I even login and I can't even Ctrl + C... |
| 16:45.42 | stew | Meaw: does the third card show up in lspci? why do you want to get rid of that from 'ifconfig -a' ? you could simply ignore it |
| 16:45.50 | JoeThomas | o2T7: i open a new virtual terminal and it writes the errors to each one |
| 16:46.09 | Meaw | stew, yes the 3rd card is showen up in lspci |
| 16:46.10 | twobitwork | Blinny: e.g., vim has a compile option in include gtk support, and debian has the package vim-gtk which has it enabled |
| 16:46.15 | stew | Meaw: can you show me the output of "lspci -n" ? |
| 16:46.38 | JoeThomas | o2T7: nevermind I got X to come up |
| 16:46.54 | o2T7 | JoeThomas: Perhaps you could boot from a rescue disk and chroot to your root partition and blacklist the alsa modules, which I guess that are giving you that errors |
| 16:46.54 | Meaw | sure, hold on |
| 16:46.55 | bijur | hey how much behind are we in enterprise office ? |
| 16:46.56 | Blinny | twobitwork: Thanks but I'm fairly sure there isn't a separate package with the flag. |
| 16:47.03 | stew | bijur: 7 |
| 16:47.08 | bijur | openoffice is still quite a lot bad right |
| 16:47.10 | twobitwork | Blinny: in that case go with that stew says :) |
| 16:47.11 | bijur | stew:years? |
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| 16:47.21 | stew | bijur: i don't know, how do you measure "behindness" |
| 16:47.27 | Blinny | twobitwork/stew: Cool. Thanks again. |
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| 16:47.54 | bijur | stew: the thing is ms excel beats openoffice functionality by quite a bit |
| 16:48.12 | bijur | i am wondering would we have to finally wait for ms office for linux? |
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| 16:48.28 | stew | bijur: that is up to you |
| 16:48.28 | Meaw | stew, http://paste.lisp.org/display/60346 |
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| 16:48.35 | stew | bijur: or perhaps ask #openoffice.org |
| 16:48.47 | bijur | hmm |
| 16:48.48 | twobitwork | bijur: also, this is one of the rare cases where MS can boast better perfomance than the opensource equivalent |
| 16:48.58 | twobitwork | oo.org is just damn slow |
| 16:49.01 | Blinny | bijur: Or at least try the openoffice software and decide for yourself. |
| 16:49.21 | jzu_ | is it bullshit that EXT3 corrupts files after +250 days uptime?:O |
| 16:49.31 | JoeThomas | How can I fix this from occuring at startup? I imagine in modprobe somewhere? |
| 16:49.33 | stew | jzu_: yes |
| 16:49.33 | jzu_ | anyone had files corrupted after long uptimes? |
| 16:49.41 | asg | hasn't |
| 16:49.53 | jzu_ | ok, so Ill guess Ill trust ext3 |
| 16:49.58 | stew | jzu_: ext3 doesn't change the way it interacts with files based on uptime |
| 16:49.59 | KomiaPoika | why can't i install package nvidia-kernel-common? |
| 16:50.09 | pippijn | stew: uptime? |
| 16:50.13 | pippijn | stew: you mean atime? |
| 16:50.17 | stew | pippijn: no, i mean uptime |
| 16:50.18 | KomiaPoika | Package nvidia-kernel-common is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 16:50.19 | asg | pippijn: no, uptime |
| 16:50.22 | bijur | hey i got a pblm with my debian suspend |
| 16:50.24 | twobitwork | jzu_: ext3 is very mature and well tested, I've never heard any complaints |
| 16:50.27 | bijur | doenst work! |
| 16:50.33 | bijur | any idea howto fix it |
| 16:50.36 | bijur | its on my t61 |
| 16:51.00 | twobitwork | jzu_: rieserfs on the other hand does have known issues with large files, etc |
| 16:51.08 | jzu_ | twobitwork: thats what Ive heard too, though few people have said it does corrupt files if you dont fsck it regulary |
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| 16:51.14 | noisesmith | bijur: suspend is really iffy, and works with only a few machines that I know of (no machine I have ever owned) |
| 16:51.18 | pippijn | stew: how does what change? |
| 16:51.30 | stew | Meaw: i don't know why both tulip cards wouldn't be showing up. if you run "modprobe -r tulip ; modprobe tulip" and "dmesg | tail" do you anything interesting? does it mention one card? both? |
| 16:51.38 | bijur | noisesmith: sigh |
| 16:51.40 | noisesmith | bijur: if you mean suspend to ram |
| 16:51.41 | twobitwork | jzu_: well... if the filesystem wasn't unmounted properly you should let linux fsck it... but that's true of any fs... |
| 16:51.52 | bijur | yes thats what i meant |
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| 16:52.00 | stew | pippijn: i'm saying that nothing changes. someone is asking if ext3 corrupts files after a long uptime. i'm saying that ext3 doesn't behave any differently based on uptime" |
| 16:52.05 | noisesmith | bijur: suspend to swap can work, but is broken for some modules (like the nonfree x drivers) |
| 16:52.15 | pippijn | stew: ah, okay |
| 16:53.08 | noisesmith | bijur: I have three different model linux laptops in front of me, none of them have working suspend, I have tried (and on the other linux laptops I have owned) |
| 16:53.12 | bijur | nah! i was looking at simply close the lappy and it going into suspend |
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| 16:53.27 | Meaw | stew, i'll paste you the output |
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| 16:53.57 | stew | bijur: you'll have to add a script to /etc/acpi to react to the lid event |
| 16:54.17 | noisesmith | stew: but with almost every bios out there, resume won't ever happen :) |
| 16:54.33 | stew | noisesmith: that is not true |
| 16:54.49 | Meaw | stew, http://paste.lisp.org/display/60347 |
| 16:54.51 | noisesmith | stew: what bioses does this work with? |
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| 16:56.02 | stew | noisesmith: it works with every thinkpad i've owned (which are the only laptops), it doesn't work with one of my first generation dual k7s but it works with all the other desktops here that i've tested with |
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| 16:56.16 | stew | noisesmith: i mean *which are the only laptops i've owned |
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| 16:57.54 | noisesmith | stew: ok, I have had it fail with three models of dell laptop, plus three models of toshiba sattelite, plus an ibook g3 |
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| 16:58.43 | noisesmith | stew: plus, a friend's hp pavillion entertainment dv6000 |
| 16:58.47 | stew | noisesmith: the last time i used a non-thinkpad was in 1997, but i know that people that have problems coming out of suspend with thinkpads is usually related to non-free video drivers (which i also don't use) |
| 16:59.07 | benjamindees | somebody please tell me it's not normal for a package's 'debian/rules clean' to overwrite 'debian/control'. |
| 16:59.18 | stew | noisesmith: try suspend / resume without x running |
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| 16:59.50 | stew | benjamindees: its rare, but it exists. is there a control.in? |
| 16:59.56 | Meaw | :/ |
| 17:00.00 | noisesmith | stew: I only use free drivers, on the ibook linux kernel does not re-initialize the video properly for the openfirmware |
| 17:00.01 | asg | noisesmith: also, removing the usb subsystem modules before you suspend yields better results in many cases. |
| 17:00.10 | noisesmith | asg: cool, thanks |
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| 17:00.27 | benjamindees | stew, yes, apparently. that's horrible. |
| 17:00.39 | stew | benjamindees: which package? |
| 17:00.48 | benjamindees | stew, samba |
| 17:01.02 | asg | noisesmith: I've had good luck with suspend-to-disk on my latitude d410. Uptimes are often over a month or two. |
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| 17:01.41 | benjamindees | I should go ahead and distribute these packages with 'debian samba team' still listed as the maintainer. |
| 17:01.46 | noisesmith | asg: yeah, suspend to disk is fine, he wanted suspend to ram |
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| 17:01.59 | asg | noisesmith: if you are running X, the script you use to do cleanup pre-suspend should have a 'chvt 1' pretty early on to get to a console. This often helps to prevent X getting screwy. |
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| 17:02.10 | stew | Meaw: so it looks to me like your sundance card and one of your tulip cards have the same MAC (at least according to udev) |
| 17:02.19 | noisesmith | asg: this is not x, it is all video |
| 17:02.19 | stew | Meaw: you might try just removing z25 and rebooting (if you haven't already) |
| 17:02.33 | noisesmith | asg: the first thing I tried was suspending without X |
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| 17:03.15 | noisesmith | asg: resume happens, with no video (all apps are still running, but can only be controlled via vnc or ssh or whatever, which stinks for a laptop :) |
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| 17:04.17 | asg | noisesmith: what video card? |
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| 17:04.53 | noisesmith | asg: ati mobility m6 ly |
| 17:05.07 | asg | noisesmith: try using the 'radeontool' package to reset the backlight on resume |
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| 17:05.42 | noisesmith | asg: cool, I will check that out! |
| 17:05.57 | asg | noisesmith: something else to check is tuxmobile.org for your laptop. There are often useful workarounds posted. |
| 17:06.37 | stew | s/mobile/mobil/ ? |
| 17:06.49 | acv | how can i do vpn with vyatta? |
| 17:06.51 | stew | ahh, both work |
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| 17:07.12 | asg | acv: see if there is a #vyatta or ##vyatta on freenode. |
| 17:07.30 | acv | asg: nope |
| 17:07.43 | asg | acv: maye on oftc.net. Does vyatta's website list an irc channel? |
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| 17:08.58 | acv | asg, nope :( |
| 17:09.37 | asg | acv: then I don't know. It's not Debian so it's difficult for us to help you. See if they have a forum or somesuch. |
| 17:09.52 | acv | asg: ok thanks |
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| 17:11.41 | Quibus | Hi, does someone know a good way to extract vector graphics from PDF files? (On Debian, of course.) |
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| 17:12.05 | rif | Hi, guys, I am on debian testing and I kept the 2.6.18 kernel in order to use the nvidia-legacy packages, but latest update removed nvidia-glx-legacy, is ther any wokaround? |
| 17:12.15 | xingu | noisesmith: suspend on x86_64 seems like trying to balance jell-o on a toothpick fwiw |
| 17:12.35 | noisesmith | xingu: yeah, that is why I am hopeful with this ibook |
| 17:12.59 | Quibus | rif: do you need the legacy ones or can you just use the regular ones? |
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| 17:13.42 | holycow | what is the easiest way to get file sharing between users so that each can open up each others files? add the to the same group? |
| 17:13.54 | xingu | noisesmith: especially once you add in all the modern goodies - typical pc bios, wlan, gpu and _its_ bios, msi-x interrupts, etc. |
| 17:14.14 | rif | Quibus: I need the legacy (I have a very old video card) |
| 17:14.21 | StarkD | I need help to connect to a netowrk HP printer at "hp:/net/HP_Color_LaserJet_4730mfp?ip=10.200.38.39". I don't find any installation option for using hp:/ in CUPS at localhost:631 |
| 17:14.52 | rif | Quibus: the xpdf-utils has a pdfimage |
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| 17:15.30 | xingu | holycow: yes; I'd combine with creating a directory root which was group-owned and group-writable (and possibly - sticky) |
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| 17:15.50 | rif | Quibus: it might not work for vector, though |
| 17:16.06 | xingu | holycow: in the long run it usually proves a mistake to open up group access to user homedirs |
| 17:16.30 | c_newbie | hi, i just trying to install Etch 4 r03 on my Dell PE 2970, but it didnt detect both NIC, is there any trouble with Release 3? |
| 17:16.43 | holycow | yeah, this is a situation where actually there is a manager whose files only he can access but staff account which he wants rwx access to |
| 17:16.56 | Quibus | rif: seems to be for bitmaps indeed |
| 17:17.02 | holycow | i thought doing a 777 on the staff dir would do it but when he drops a file there they cant read it obviously |
| 17:17.22 | holycow | the delegation of rights in other words is required |
| 17:17.23 | xingu | holycow: look into sgid behaviour for directories |
| 17:17.27 | bijur | bye all :) |
| 17:17.32 | holycow | danke, really appreciate that |
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| 17:17.37 | c_newbie | or should i tried with r.01 1st? |
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| 17:18.10 | c_newbie | help me please |
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| 17:19.10 | mofino | what happened to the strings command? |
| 17:19.12 | mofino | in etch |
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| 17:19.26 | battlemidget | wat do you mean mofino |
| 17:19.35 | mofino | I can't find it |
| 17:19.46 | battlemidget | ok |
| 17:19.47 | mofino | nevermind |
| 17:19.50 | mofino | poor searching |
| 17:19.53 | mofino | it's in binutils |
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| 17:19.55 | battlemidget | : |
| 17:19.56 | battlemidget | :) |
| 17:20.13 | mofino | "packages that contain files named like this" == win |
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| 17:21.10 | Jessica_lilly | is there 1 install CD like ubuntu has because when i go on to the mirrors there is 21 cd's |
| 17:21.42 | themill | Jessica_lilly: you only need the netinstall or CD1. |
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| 17:22.25 | tsv | hey, I'm looking for some software to write nicely typeset letters easily from the command line, TeX seems like overkill, do LaTeX or troff offer easy support to write letters? sorry if this is the wrong place to ask |
| 17:22.25 | c_newbie | i used netinstall tho :( |
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| 17:22.59 | Jessica_lilly | thanks |
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| 17:23.41 | benjamindees | tsv, LaTeX is TeX, only simpler; so yes? |
| 17:23.50 | noisesmith | c_newbie: do you know the name of the module that it needs to load for your network card? |
| 17:23.56 | fasta | Can anyone recommend a graphical timezone application? |
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| 17:24.23 | fasta | benjamindees: simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. |
| 17:24.39 | iateadonut | if i write a website using GPL components, i have to make the website source available to the public? |
| 17:24.42 | tsv | benjamindees; I know, just wondered if there was any specific feature of it that made letter-writing easy, as opposed to essays or whatever |
| 17:24.51 | fasta | iateadonut: no |
| 17:24.54 | themill | iateadonut: no |
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| 17:25.49 | Bushmills | fasta: what should a timezone application do? |
| 17:26.06 | fasta | themill: what if I let people have a shell account and run X applications on the server? (just curious) |
| 17:26.28 | iateadonut | only if i want to distribute it as software, then i have to include the source code and the proper credits. |
| 17:26.30 | fasta | Bushmills: see the time difference between various countries/continents and related functionality. |
| 17:26.38 | iateadonut | ? |
| 17:26.48 | Bushmills | fasta, selected places, or any? |
| 17:27.00 | benjamindees | tsv, http://www.maths.ox.ac.uk/help/faqs/latex/letters |
| 17:27.05 | fasta | Bushmills: selected, I guess. |
| 17:27.13 | xingu | fasta: gworldclock? |
| 17:27.15 | Bushmills | fasta: sunclock can do that. |
| 17:27.26 | Bushmills | exists in gnome and kde flavours too |
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| 17:27.38 | fasta | Gnome had something by default in a previous version, I think. |
| 17:27.54 | fasta | Thanks, I will try both. |
| 17:28.13 | Bushmills | fasta, what desktop environment? |
| 17:28.25 | fasta | Bushmills: I have both installed. I don't care for Gnome/KDE differences. |
| 17:28.36 | tsv | benjamindees; thanks :-) |
| 17:28.46 | themill | fasta: allowing someone to run ls on your machine is not normally considered to be "distirbution". This was in some way clarified with gplv3 by changing to the word "convey" rather than "distribute". |
| 17:28.52 | Bushmills | then there is kworldclock as third option |
| 17:30.32 | fasta | themill: I realise this is off-topic, but can I ask you another question about this in another channel? |
| 17:31.07 | themill | fasta: sure... #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:31.21 | iateadonut | can you dpkg a .deb in an alternate directory, such as /opt ? |
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| 17:31.38 | valdyn | iateadonut: no |
| 17:31.49 | iateadonut | my only option is to install from source? |
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| 17:31.55 | valdyn | iateadonut: why? |
| 17:32.00 | valdyn | iateadonut: whats the purpose? |
| 17:32.02 | themill | iateadonut: well, yes. but it might not/probably won't work. |
| 17:32.23 | iateadonut | because startdict 3.0.1 will not install over stardict 2.4 (etch) |
| 17:32.29 | valdyn | iateadonut: thruth is you can "install" a deb anywhere, but that doesn't mean its supported or easy |
| 17:32.50 | valdyn | iateadonut: so remove stardict 2.4 ? |
| 17:33.33 | p_masho | how do I completely remove mysqld with apt-get.. Database has got corruptd so want to do complete reinstall.. http://rafb.net/p/4TmAlj58.html |
| 17:33.37 | iateadonut | if i don't purge, then my dictionaries will stay in their /usr/shar/ |
| 17:33.39 | iateadonut | ? |
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| 17:34.16 | valdyn | p_masho: how does that make sense? |
| 17:34.31 | valdyn | p_masho: you buy a new refrigerator when milk goes bad? |
| 17:34.36 | Bushmills | p_masho: if you reinstall linux, mysql will be reinstalled too |
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| 17:35.02 | p_masho | Suppose what I want to do is remove the current configuration also ! |
| 17:35.13 | Bushmills | but you may want to consider to buy a new hard disk first |
| 17:35.16 | valdyn | !purge |
| 17:35.16 | dpkg | purge is, like, to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
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| 17:36.16 | rwaite | if i do an apt-get dist-upgrade and it updates a lot of packages, like, lets say, all the xserver related pkgs, is there an easy way to 'undo' that update and get back to the old versions |
| 17:36.37 | abrotman | !downgrade |
| 17:36.38 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 17:36.43 | and][ng | I'd like to ubild a vm image with a minimal system and xorg, should I look at debian-live anyway? |
| 17:36.47 | rwaite | thanks |
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| 17:38.00 | iateadonut | wa sai. |
| 17:38.08 | iateadonut | wo sai, i mean. |
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| 17:38.18 | and][ng | iateadonut: chinese? |
| 17:39.04 | iateadonut | yes. |
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| 17:39.35 | iateadonut | i'm not sure if that's the correct pinyin, but i hear people in my office say it all the time. |
| 17:39.37 | and][ng | isn't "wo" "I" ? |
| 17:39.42 | _ZeuZ_ | hey guys, anybody knows where can I get the software linuxconf (it's kinda old, but seems to bee truly powerful...) |
| 17:39.50 | iateadonut | yes. |
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| 17:39.55 | and][ng | _ZeuZ_: what does it do? |
| 17:39.57 | iateadonut | it means something like 'oh my god' |
| 17:40.16 | _ZeuZ_ | it has network configuration tools, firewall configuration tools, etc etc... |
| 17:40.24 | iateadonut | and speaking of chinese, the website i wrote using GPL tools is a chinese learning one. |
| 17:40.31 | asg | _ZeuZ_: it's a redhat thing and doesn't exist in debian |
| 17:40.31 | iateadonut | teaching one, actually. |
| 17:40.39 | fasta | xingu: gworldclock worked for my purposes. |
| 17:40.47 | _ZeuZ_ | asg, I knew it from a Debian manual... |
| 17:40.50 | rwaite | whoa. linuxconf, isnt that from the rh7 days? |
| 17:40.59 | asg | _ZeuZ_: which manual? |
| 17:41.08 | abrotman | asg: it was on archive.org :) |
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| 17:41.12 | _ZeuZ_ | Dunno, I gathered it from the network... perhaps he compiled it... |
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| 17:41.27 | asg | abrotman: ah, ewww. |
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| 17:42.03 | jberg | im using the default gnome editor in a lenny install. when i try to click a link a link it says "http://www.somelink.net here was an error launching the default action command associated with this location." |
| 17:42.06 | piper69 | hello everyone |
| 17:42.08 | jberg | any way i can debug this? |
| 17:42.21 | jberg | i've set iceweasel to my default browser |
| 17:42.35 | _ZeuZ_ | Well then, any tool that you would recommend for a beginner like a GUI for port forwarding and such? I wanted to install that tool into a box I will not manage any further, and so he would have a chance no not ruin it |
| 17:42.38 | piper69 | this might be very simple but i don't know how to do it, i am trying to ls my .profile how can i do that |
| 17:42.41 | jberg | s/here/there |
| 17:42.44 | xingu | how do I nondestructively work out why a given package is going to get the arse during apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:42.59 | xingu | ie, I need something that's going to walk the conflicts/depends and tell me exactly what's what. |
| 17:43.45 | asg | _ZeuZ_: take a look at the firehol package |
| 17:45.01 | _ZeuZ_ | asg: this guy does not even know how to use nano, so, I wanted a easy ncursed based tool so he could manage it... |
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| 17:45.36 | asg | _ZeuZ_: people that can't use nano have no business configuring firewalls |
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| 17:45.56 | acv | in the debian security manual it states that the user owning the sites of apache shouldn't be www-data |
| 17:45.58 | abrotman | asg: but the windows firewall works well |
| 17:46.01 | acv | if not www-data then what? |
| 17:46.06 | abrotman | the user |
| 17:46.15 | asg | abrotman: no it doesn't |
| 17:46.16 | piper69 | how can i list .profile |
| 17:46.23 | noisesmith | piper69: do you mean see it's contents? |
| 17:46.34 | piper69 | noisesmith: yes |
| 17:46.35 | asg | piper69: pager <file> |
| 17:46.35 | jberg | piper69: i dont have a .profile |
| 17:46.38 | noisesmith | piper69: cat .profile, or nano .profile, or less .profile |
| 17:46.39 | _ZeuZ_ | Thing is, I'm not gonna manage that server anymore, and he's going to screw it... |
| 17:46.45 | _ZeuZ_ | But fuck it, let him screw his lie |
| 17:46.54 | _ZeuZ_ | But fuck it, let him screw his lie |
| 17:46.58 | _ZeuZ_ | But fuck it, let him screw his life |
| 17:46.59 | _ZeuZ_ | grrr |
| 17:47.13 | acv | asg: then what? |
| 17:47.28 | acv | abrotman, i dont think it should belong to the user |
| 17:47.34 | asg | _ZeuZ_: there are plenty of resources to breastfeed him through the process. If it's that much of an issue, install the bastille package and use it's simple firewall config. |
| 17:47.45 | asg | acv: then what what? |
| 17:48.00 | acv | asg: i thought you were talking to me |
| 17:48.25 | abrotman | acv: no, but you were talking to him |
| 17:48.30 | piper69 | noisesmith: oh i might asked the wrong question, ok why when i view .profile i can see it but when i am trying to list it i can't "ls -l " doesn't return ".profile" |
| 17:48.32 | abrotman | acv: pick a totally different user |
| 17:48.36 | _ZeuZ_ | Too heavy like for it to run on a 386 with 16mb of ram and 500mb swap space |
| 17:48.46 | noisesmith | piper69: ls -a |
| 17:48.57 | noisesmith | piper69: or ls -al to show all extended, etc. |
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| 17:49.05 | abrotman | haha |
| 17:49.06 | _ZeuZ_ | piper: ls -a (cuz .FILE are recognized as extended or hidden) |
| 17:49.10 | and][ng | _ZeuZ_: mcedit was ncursed afait |
| 17:49.11 | and][ng | afair |
| 17:49.23 | acv | abrotman, ok |
| 17:49.24 | _ZeuZ_ | mcedit? Gonna check it... |
| 17:49.32 | piper69 | noisesmith: thank you so much |
| 17:49.33 | KomiaPoi1a | i installed thunderbird package, and it installed me icedove instead. how do i importe thunderbird settings in icedove? .thunderbird/ is there, but icedove doesn't see it |
| 17:49.39 | abrotman | !harden |
| 17:49.39 | dpkg | harden is, like, D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 17:49.52 | themill | KomiaPoi1a: icedove usually uses ~/.mozilla-thunderbird |
| 17:49.54 | iateadonut | when will i be able to upgrade my work OS to lenny without fear that i'll not be able to use something critical to my job. |
| 17:50.07 | xingu | aha! |
| 17:50.20 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: did you try renaming .thunderbird to .icedove maybe? |
| 17:50.20 | _ZeuZ_ | and][ng, no packages on the Debian database |
| 17:50.22 | xingu | bloody python-ctypes -> pythonX.Y-ctypes conversion. |
| 17:50.29 | and][ng | iateadonut: obviously it depends on what your job is |
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| 17:50.40 | xingu | complete with its bloody broken provides= |
| 17:50.45 | xingu | checks bts |
| 17:51.14 | KomiaPoi1a | themill: thanks ln -s .thunderbird .mozilla-thunderbird fixes it |
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| 17:51.21 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: ln -s .thunderbird .mozilla-thunderbird fixes it |
| 17:51.25 | abrotman | iateadonut: right after release ? |
| 17:51.29 | and][ng | and][ng: anyway lenny should go stable on october afair |
| 17:51.33 | and][ng | it should be in topic |
| 17:51.40 | abrotman | and][ng: talking to yourself |
| 17:51.42 | KomiaPoi1a | ok now i have a very retarded problem |
| 17:51.44 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 17:51.44 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/03/msg00001.html |
| 17:51.47 | simonrvn | iateadonut: wir |
| 17:52.04 | and][ng | abrotman: why? |
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| 17:52.25 | abrotman | and][ng: you were talking to yourself .. as in .. you were addressing yourself .. not your intended target |
| 17:52.35 | KomiaPoi1a | to make google-earth work on amd64, i need lib32nss-mdns installed using dpkg -i. but i can't apt-get install or remove any package while it's there, because it installs with errors. how can i tell apt-get to ignore lib32nss-mdns?? |
| 17:52.38 | abrotman | simonrvn: IRC is hard, let's go shopping |
| 17:52.43 | and][ng | abrotman: oh lol, I just saw it |
| 17:52.46 | and][ng | :-P |
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| 17:52.51 | simonrvn | abrotman: hehehe |
| 17:52.53 | and][ng | abrotman: new nick |
| 17:52.59 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: did you try apt-get install -f |
| 17:53.42 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: yes, all it does is delete the lib32nss-mdns package, screwing google-earth in the process |
| 17:53.59 | xingu | aah, it's not python-ctypes, it's libffi4 |
| 17:54.00 | xingu | hmm |
| 17:54.11 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: than you need a non-broken lib32nss-mdns package? |
| 17:54.43 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: i can't find any other... i downloaded it off debian website ... it's a unstable package |
| 17:54.53 | abrotman | and][ng: it'll get in the topic eventually .. the plans aren't really concrete enough and not enough people asking |
| 17:55.09 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: are you running unstable? if not you may need a backport |
| 17:55.32 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: no i'm running etch, and i have backports, but to run google-earth on amd64, you need that package no matter what |
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| 17:55.44 | KomiaPoi1a | and ihad to install it using dpkg -i |
| 17:55.57 | KomiaPoi1a | the install misses a dep, but still installs without configuration |
| 17:56.01 | KomiaPoi1a | and makes google-earth works |
| 17:56.08 | jberg | hm, why does /etc/debian_version say lenny/sid? |
| 17:56.13 | jberg | why not just lenny? |
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| 17:56.41 | and][ng | abrotman: I had just an idea I had read it in topic, probably I'm wrong |
| 17:56.51 | benjamindees | jberg, lenny is not released |
| 17:56.51 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: what is your debian version? |
| 17:56.57 | abrotman | jberg: it's very fluid .. what's the point |
| 17:57.00 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: 4.0r3 etch afaik |
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| 17:57.08 | jberg | okay |
| 17:57.11 | stew | jberg: because the base_files package that contains it was originally uploaded to sid. packages move from sid to testing without changing, packages are generally uploaded directly to testing |
| 17:57.11 | jberg | abrotman: no point? |
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| 17:57.15 | abrotman | jberg: check your libc6 version .. that's a better indicator at this point |
| 17:57.24 | abrotman | or some other package version like gcc or something |
| 17:57.25 | KomiaPoi1a | so now everytime i must add package i gotta delete lib32nss and reinstall it zafter |
| 17:57.44 | jberg | abrotman: ok how can i check that? |
| 17:57.47 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: you should be trying to install packages from unstable directly onto stable, use a backport instead, /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:57.53 | kdub432 | so why doesnt gdb work on etch? i've been told that its some sort of kernel bug |
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| 17:58.10 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: whatever package you installed that depends on lib32nss-mdns should be removed |
| 17:58.14 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: did you check backports? (/msg dpkg backport) |
| 17:58.15 | and][ng | why live-magic tries to install cupsys too ? |
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| 17:58.42 | and][ng | this is unfair |
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| 17:58.54 | abrotman | jberg: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. then go to packages.debian.org/libc6 .. compare versions |
| 17:58.58 | stoned | huh |
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| 17:59.11 | stoned | and][ng, what are you galing about? |
| 17:59.16 | jberg | abrotman: ok thanks |
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| 17:59.33 | KomiaPoi1a | stew: i need google-earth and it's not a package it's a binary you just install |
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| 18:00.09 | abrotman | need? |
| 18:00.14 | stew | < KomiaPoi1a> so now everytime i must add package i gotta delete lib32nss and reinstall it zafter |
| 18:00.20 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: what makes you say that^^^? |
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| 18:00.22 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: yes i already have backports |
| 18:00.25 | xingu | pokes bts#479115 in the eye |
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| 18:00.34 | and][ng | stoned: galing like a "gal" ? |
| 18:01.07 | and][ng | stoned: I can't see what live-magic package has to do with cupsys and foomatic stuffs |
| 18:01.17 | stoned | look at the depends |
| 18:01.20 | twobitwork | hmm... debootstrap (actually pbuilder) can't validate packages.. but my main system has no problems... |
| 18:01.23 | stoned | is it depending on them |
| 18:01.26 | stoned | or is it recommended |
| 18:01.30 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: your choices are either a working backport of that lib, or installing the lib from source (or making your own backport, of course) |
| 18:01.31 | stoned | aptitude installs a buncha shit |
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| 18:01.46 | stoned | look at what the depends are and try maybe apt-get instead of aptitude or configure aptitude |
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| 18:06.15 | Martiini | I want to transfer my linux system/partition onto another computer. How do I do that? Should i selectively back up current system "A" and overwite and installed system "B"? .. or .. can I just make an image with partimage and unarchive that to computer "B" .. or .. ? |
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| 18:08.25 | stoned | Martiini, 2nd pc is what? different file systems? |
| 18:08.27 | stoned | os? |
| 18:08.54 | Bushmills | Martiini: want to backup periodically? |
| 18:09.28 | Bushmills | or just keep a single, up-to-date copy? |
| 18:10.03 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: when i compile from source google earth doesnt see it |
| 18:10.20 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: and when i install libc6 2.7 i get: |
| 18:10.22 | KomiaPoi1a | dpkg: error processing libc6-i386_2.7-10_amd64.deb (--install): failed in buffer_write(fd) (9, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/gconv/libCNS.so': No space left on device |
| 18:10.22 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 18:10.38 | KomiaPoi1a | dpkg stfu |
| 18:10.38 | dpkg | hmm... stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
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| 18:11.09 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: you have a full filesystem |
| 18:11.20 | KomiaPoi1a | i have gigabytes free |
| 18:11.46 | abrotman | in the correct partition? |
| 18:11.52 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: can i paste you the output of df -h? |
| 18:11.53 | zinx | KomiaPoi1a: df -h /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/gconv/ |
| 18:11.54 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: do you have multiple filesystems mounted? because no space left on device... |
| 18:11.58 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: sure |
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| 18:12.35 | Martiini | Bushmills: i want to make a copy of my current system/setup of my hp laptop partition to my PC "server" disk with 3 partitions on it. Laptop has AMD Turion processor ... PC (computer "B) has Athlon CPU .. etc etc |
| 18:12.42 | KomiaPoi1a | zinx: 268M 260M 0 100% / |
| 18:12.42 | KomiaPoi1a | :( |
| 18:12.45 | twobitwork | dpkg: E: Couldn't validate Packages! |
| 18:12.45 | dpkg | twobitwork: are you using Windows? |
| 18:12.55 | KomiaPoi1a | zinx: how do i make it bigger? |
| 18:13.00 | twobitwork | bleh |
| 18:13.07 | dmnd | how do i deal with iptables on debian? i want my firewall to be loaded when i reboot |
| 18:13.09 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: a 260meg filesystem on /? |
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| 18:13.28 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: why do you want to switch to debian unstable? |
| 18:13.36 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: it's a default install with encrypt lvm |
| 18:13.49 | KomiaPoi1a | stew: i don't, i just wanna install the libs for google-earth |
| 18:13.50 | Martiini | Bushmills: basically .. I have no idea how to make backups and transfer linux systems properly |
| 18:13.52 | KomiaPoi1a | on amd64 |
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| 18:13.59 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: you should not be messing with libc6 |
| 18:14.01 | and][ng | stoned: I heard that aptitude has to be preferred over apt-get |
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| 18:14.09 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: try taking some directories in / and symlinking them to directories in another fs |
| 18:14.14 | abrotman | !tell and][ng about why aptitude |
| 18:14.41 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: what dirs can i move safely? |
| 18:14.47 | Bushmills | Martiini: you're sure you want a copy of the installed system, rather than installing the same packages? |
| 18:14.56 | streuner | !nickometer and][ng |
| 18:14.57 | stoned | and][ng, but, but maybe your problem of it having installed other packages was caused by not the dependant packages, but the recommended ones |
| 18:14.58 | dpkg | 'and][ng' is 53.000% lame, streuner |
| 18:15.16 | and][ng | no bad, half lame |
| 18:15.21 | enouf | streuner1: ouch - time to retune nicko ;-) |
| 18:15.23 | stoned | ... |
| 18:15.26 | and][ng | how much can you score with your simple nick? |
| 18:15.29 | stoned | enouf, tat healin nicely |
| 18:15.33 | stoned | :D |
| 18:15.35 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: libc6 is probably the most important package on your system, its the library that provides the most basic of functionality to programs written in c. for an idea of the impact, "aptitude search '~i ~Dlibc6'" would list the package on your system that depend on libc6, it will be many |
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| 18:15.59 | rwaite | i tried compiling libc on slackware once, it was not pretty |
| 18:16.01 | stoned | hi stew |
| 18:16.02 | streuner | andash: you get karma in #debian... |
| 18:16.06 | twobitwork | !nickometer twobitsprite |
| 18:16.06 | enouf | stoned: the nyle is not a river in egypt :-P |
| 18:16.08 | dpkg | 'twobitsprite' is 0.000% lame, twobitwork |
| 18:16.55 | KomiaPoi1a | stew: so, basically, if i install libc6 2.7 for google-earth, i will screw up all otherp ackages? |
| 18:16.55 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: and also, mixing package from testing/unstable with stable is a bad idea. you should be using a backport intsead |
| 18:16.55 | Bushmills | there's one complication: it is a bit tricky to replace the running system - you'd want to copy that as an additional system (plus customize for machine differences, like fstab, hostname, network config etc) |
| 18:16.55 | streuner | and][ng: you get karma in #debian |
| 18:16.55 | and][ng | stoned: and you told me to configure aptitude, I'm assuming it can be told how to manage recommended |
| 18:16.55 | KomiaPoi1a | i tried |
| 18:16.55 | stoned | absolutely |
| 18:16.55 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: maybe |
| 18:16.55 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: any directory not currently being used by an open application: you 'mv DIR /newlocation/DIR; ln -s /newlocation/DIR DIR' |
| 18:16.56 | stoned | !aptitude howto |
| 18:16.56 | stoned | no? |
| 18:16.56 | andash | streuner: wat |
| 18:16.56 | and][ng | streuner: I love karma |
| 18:16.57 | stoned | argh. |
| 18:16.57 | streuner | andash: typo... |
| 18:16.58 | Mantaar | DAMN! recent upgrade in sid borked poor old tomcat. Anyone willing to help me with resolving #412690 |
| 18:17.01 | enouf | man aptitude, install aptitude-doc-en |
| 18:17.03 | Martiini | Bushmills: I would not get customisations I have made if I just install the same packages ( I know dpkg > create package list) |
| 18:17.05 | andash | kthxbye |
| 18:17.17 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: but I agree with stew, replacing libc6 is bad bad news |
| 18:17.18 | and][ng | streuner: actually I just had karma for dinner |
| 18:17.23 | Bushmills | Martiini: an alternative could be to dpkg --get-selections "*" > /etc/packages.list , and use that file to let the other machine install the same packages (and bring them into same state) |
| 18:17.36 | enouf | karma chameleon? anyways, i use apt-get |
| 18:17.41 | stew | and][ng: are you sure that cupsys has anything to do with live-magic? does it still want to install cupsys if you simply run "aptitude -f install' ? |
| 18:17.51 | Bushmills | Martiini: then you would mostly need the /etc custom things |
| 18:18.06 | and][ng | stew: not sure but it was 50 Mb so I just let it go |
| 18:18.37 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: so since i can't use lib32nss, to use google-earth on etch and amd64, i gotta install a broken package everytime i run google-earth and deinstall it everytime i want to install packages |
| 18:18.39 | and][ng | stew: and it's still going actually so I'll check cache info for live-magic later |
| 18:18.44 | twobitwork | so... anyone have an idea as to why debootstrap can't validate packages when my main system can? |
| 18:18.46 | and][ng | stew: it just seemed strange to me |
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| 18:19.12 | stew | and][ng: it could very well be to some other previous action. you can always remove cupsys next and see what else it wants to take with it |
| 18:19.14 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: lib32nss won't build without the libc upgrade? |
| 18:19.14 | enouf | Martiini: if you're looking for cloning options, maybe 'bootcd', 'system-imager-*', or even g4u |
| 18:19.20 | Martiini | Bushmills: actually .. dpkg --get-selections should do it for me .. I can customise and tweak it then later |
| 18:19.31 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: can you use a backport of lib32nss |
| 18:19.35 | Bushmills | Martiini: for an image to transfer, you could tar all of the source partition, tell tar to stay on one partition (excludes /proc), and maybe exclude /tmp/ |
| 18:19.36 | enouf | Martiini: i came late, so not sure what you desire, issues |
| 18:19.39 | twobitwork | hmm... nevermind, it seemed to have fixed itself... |
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| 18:19.40 | xingu_ | pokes bts#469221 in the eye too |
| 18:19.46 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: why do you have to install a broken package? which package? |
| 18:19.48 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: i installed nss-mdns-0.10 from source but google-earth doesnt see it |
| 18:20.01 | and][ng | what's #299009 ? |
| 18:20.03 | enouf | Martiini: there's also those typical tar, gzip, rsync options too ;-) |
| 18:20.05 | and][ng | !why not aptitude |
| 18:20.05 | dpkg | aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. |
| 18:20.17 | KomiaPoi1a | stew: i gotta dkpg -i lib32nss-mdns_0.10-3_amd64.deb just to get google-earth able to connect to network |
| 18:20.21 | and][ng | bug ticket no. ? |
| 18:20.24 | smacnay | Is the debian "way" for maintaining nvidia drivers still recommended in testing or is it now changing to something else? |
| 18:20.27 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: ok, what directory did it install to? /usr/local/lib? |
| 18:20.34 | KomiaPoi1a | even tho the install doesn't configure for bad libc6 version |
| 18:20.36 | enouf | bug tracking service == BTS |
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| 18:20.42 | twobitwork | and][ng: I haven't run into any bugs... |
| 18:20.42 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: as i've said a couple of times now, you should not install packages from testing or unstable onto stable. use a backport instead |
| 18:20.51 | and][ng | twobitwork: lucky you |
| 18:20.57 | Bushmills | Martiini: but i'd not go for binary image transfer. used it with minimal installations on remote servers, but would avoid to do that when not necessary. |
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| 18:21.14 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: nss-mdns installed in Libraries have been installed in: //lib |
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| 18:21.35 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: don't compile it from the upstream source, recompile the debian package, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:21.38 | KomiaPoi1a | stew: but i couldn't find any backport for lib32nss-mdns |
| 18:21.41 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: try running ldconfig manually, then google earth? |
| 18:21.50 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: yes, you'd need to make your own |
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| 18:22.16 | Mantaar | No one here willing to go bug hunting with me? I see... meh. I'll do it myself then... |
| 18:22.19 | stew | noisesmith: ldconfig has nothing to do with debian package management |
| 18:22.28 | Martiini | Bushmills: ok , thanks ,, I will read about that |
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| 18:22.53 | noisesmith | stew: KomiaPoi1a built the library, and the app is not finding the library, if you mean I am ot? mea culpa, sure |
| 18:22.56 | stew | Mantaar: if you are trying to debug tomcat in sid, you are more likely to find help in #debian-java on irc.debian.org |
| 18:22.58 | Martiini | Bushmills: oh, you mean .. not use partimage unles .. |
| 18:22.59 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: no luck |
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| 18:23.26 | stew | noisesmith: no, i mean it won't solve the problem that the package managers think that he has a missing dependency on lib32nss-mdns |
| 18:23.27 | Bushmills | i mean, i'd match the installed packages by installing them on the target, instead. |
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| 18:23.57 | Mantaar | stew: thanks. I'll try it. |
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| 18:24.22 | noisesmith | stew: yeah, I was thinking: 1) get the app to run 2) make sure aptitude is all squared up, but maybe that is backwards priorities |
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| 18:24.38 | stew | noisesmith: i was thinking of doing both at the same time |
| 18:24.40 | kdub432 | i'm having trouble getting gdb to run, it complains of an invalid memory map |
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| 18:24.54 | Martiini | Bushmills: dpkg --get-selections is what Im gonna use .. install base system on second box and then make it like my current system |
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| 18:25.45 | KomiaPoi1a | stew: E: Unable to find a source package for lib32nss-mdns |
| 18:25.46 | Martiini | Bushmills: you cannot really transfer a system onto another box with different setup , can you? |
| 18:26.00 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: did you add a deb-src line for testing or unstable? |
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| 18:26.28 | Bushmills | Martiini: not to replace the running system. you'd want to run from a second, minimal installation anyway. |
| 18:26.34 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: i made ./configure, make, sudo make install with the lib and it installed, but google-earth behaves like its not there |
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| 18:27.00 | kdub432 | Martiini: you can kinda, if youre willing to replace the kernel |
| 18:27.10 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: I would suggest rebuilding the .deb from source, like stew suggested |
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| 18:27.23 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: then that fixes the aptitude issue too |
| 18:27.30 | stew | Martiini: what do you mean by "different setup"? |
| 18:27.30 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: how dpkg tells me to do it does not work |
| 18:27.38 | Martiini | kdub432: but surely its not just the kernel that gets customised when you install linux system? |
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| 18:27.46 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 18:28.08 | KomiaPoi1a | do i really need to use a deb-src line for sid if i already have a deb-src line for etch?? |
| 18:28.30 | stew | Martiini: the kernel does not get customized when you install debian, unless you mean the initrd, which you can fix by reconfiguring the kenrel package from some other booted kernel or from a livecd or some such |
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| 18:28.34 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: yes |
| 18:28.43 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: since etch doesn't contain the pacakge you are trying to compile |
| 18:28.44 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: etch deb-src doesn't have the package if etch does not have it |
| 18:28.46 | kdub432 | Martiini: i made a linux from scratch system, and the 'fresh install' of that is just copy of usbdisk, reconfigure kernel |
| 18:28.50 | KomiaPoi1a | http://www.pastebin.ca/1009575 is my sources.list |
| 18:28.56 | KomiaPoi1a | ok |
| 18:29.08 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:29.16 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: start over, you missed step #1 |
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| 18:30.22 | simonrvn | 72.0.209.185 <-- could someone ping that please? |
| 18:30.26 | KomiaPoi1a | like this? |
| 18:30.28 | KomiaPoi1a | deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian sid-backports main contrib non-free |
| 18:30.33 | stew | simonrvn: pinging |
| 18:30.35 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 18:30.42 | stew | simonrvn: 64 bytes from 72.0.209.185: icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=66.3 ms |
| 18:30.44 | aleksanteri | simonrvn, responds |
| 18:30.54 | aleksanteri | 64 bytes from 72.0.209.185: icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=193 ms |
| 18:30.59 | noisesmith | simonrvn: works for me |
| 18:31.17 | simonrvn | could someone ping 72.0.193.242 ? |
| 18:31.18 | Martiini | kdub432: , stew , Bushmills , Can I just TAR a linux system and copy that to another machine with different CPU, hardware, partitons ,, ? |
| 18:31.36 | simonrvn | thank you |
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| 18:31.43 | tdn | How do I change the background color of an xterm? I have tried putting "XTerm*background: grey4" in my .Xdefaults, but it has no effect. |
| 18:31.55 | kdub432 | Martiini: no. you need to know what to reconfigure |
| 18:32.02 | stew | simonrvn: no response from .242 |
| 18:32.06 | aleksanteri | simonrvn, timeout |
| 18:32.07 | Bushmills | Martiini: the more the hardware differs, the more you'd have to customize |
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| 18:32.21 | noisesmith | tdn: are you running xrdb -load .Xdefaults? |
| 18:32.26 | stew | Martiini: maybe. it depends on if they both have the same root filesystem and the initrd contains a driver that can mount it |
| 18:32.41 | simonrvn | thank you all, isp taking care of that |
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| 18:32.49 | Martiini | arrhgg ,, If I want to copy a system to another machine , I need to install base first and then install all the same packages, right? |
| 18:33.17 | Martiini | I will just dpkg --get-selections |
| 18:33.19 | KomiaPoi1a | stew: ok ... now i upgraded my error to: E: Build-Depends dependency for lib32nss-mdns cannot be satisfied because the package gcc-multilib cannot be found |
| 18:33.21 | noisesmith | tdn: for whatever reason .Xdefaults is never automatically sourced |
| 18:33.22 | Bushmills | i'd say that's preferrable. |
| 18:33.24 | stew | Martiini: or just copy everything and maybe reconfigure the kernel in its host machine |
| 18:33.34 | KomiaPoi1a | E: Couldn't find package gcc-multilib |
| 18:33.41 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: try apt-src installing gcc-multilib? |
| 18:33.52 | tdn | noisesmith, nope. When should I run that? Isn't there an easier way to just set the background of xterm to black? |
| 18:33.54 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: you have to backport that first then |
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| 18:34.48 | tdn | noisesmith, should I just run "xrdb -load .Xdefaults" before starting xterm? |
| 18:34.51 | noisesmith | tdn: that can be run as part of your .xsession or .xinitrc, or if you can specify programs to run with gnome/kde session init you can do it there, really you can run it whenever and as often as you like |
| 18:34.59 | KomiaPoi1a | noisesmith: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: gcj-4.3-base (>= 4.3.0-1) gcc-4.2-base (>= 4.2.3-1) gcc-4.3-base (>= 4.3.0-1) gnat-4.3-base |
| 18:35.00 | stew | tdn: the easiest way it to set it up in .Xdefaults. if you just want to do it one time, 'xterm -fg white -bg black' |
| 18:35.23 | tdn | stew, okay, thanks! |
| 18:35.36 | tdn | noisesmith, thanks to you too! |
| 18:35.38 | noisesmith | stew: I am telling him how to make sure his .Xdefaults is sourced |
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| 18:36.17 | Martiini | stew.. is initrd the only thing that gets customised during system installation? |
| 18:36.39 | Martiini | stew, surely , its not , is it ,, the only thing |
| 18:36.45 | tdn | noisesmith, thanks to you too! |
| 18:36.49 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: then you have to backport binutils and gcc-4.3-base, which i think, means you are going to lose |
| 18:37.07 | stew | Martiini: to the hardware? yes, as long as it is all the same arch |
| 18:37.17 | noisesmith | KomiaPoi1a: I don't know if there is a way to automatically deb-src dependancies with deb-src (what stew said) |
| 18:38.00 | KomiaPoi1a | stew: i backported po4a and will try to go upstream |
| 18:38.21 | stew | hmm i thought gcc-4.3 would have had a versioned build-dep on libc6-dev, but i guess not |
| 18:38.47 | KomiaPoi1a | E: Build-Depends dependency for gcc-defaults cannot be satisfied because the package gcj-4.3-base cannot be found |
| 18:38.57 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: yes, you'd have to backport that too |
| 18:39.14 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: this means you are going to have to backport the entire toolchain |
| 18:39.26 | noisesmith | stew: is there a way to recursively deb-src the way aptitude recursively grabs dependancies? |
| 18:39.33 | KomiaPoi1a | so it means like i'm gonna screw my other ports if i do? |
| 18:39.33 | stew | KomiaPoi1a: which i'm guessing means you are going to eventually hit a roadblock |
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| 18:39.50 | KomiaPoi1a | i already have |
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| 18:40.02 | Pasteurized | hi all |
| 18:40.09 | stew | noisesmith: i don't know, unless perhaps apt-build can |
| 18:40.13 | noisesmith | I am thinking that we are discovering why that package was not already backported |
| 18:40.16 | Martiini | stew, how about different modules and mtab , fstab .. all that , surely , if you compare debian installed on HP PC with lets say Debian installed on Dell, the systems would be different and not transferable from one to another ? |
| 18:40.19 | KomiaPoi1a | i made apt-get build-dep po4a to satisfy dpkg-dev but dpkg-dev still won't apt-get build-dep |
| 18:40.28 | stew | Martiini: maybe |
| 18:40.51 | KomiaPoi1a | i'll just keep reinstalling broken package when i need google-earth |
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| 18:41.38 | humbolt | Considering that I have a 64bit server with 4GB RAM and AMD virtualization extensions, would you rather use KVM or Xen for virtualization? |
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| 18:41.54 | stew | Martiini: it depends on how fstab is setup, and how you are moving the data. |
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| 18:45.10 | xingu | wonders wtf you'd actually _need_ lib32nss-mdns for googleearth of all things |
| 18:46.02 | xingu | KomiaPoi1a: my googleearth-package'd googleearth package doesn't have that dep. |
| 18:46.14 | xingu | mmm, smells like bogus |
| 18:46.23 | KomiaPoi1a | xingu: you made a google-earth package?? |
| 18:46.27 | stew | !info googleearth-package |
| 18:46.40 | KomiaPoi1a | !info googleearth-package |
| 18:46.44 | dpkg | googleearth-package: (utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.5.4 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 18:46.46 | dpkg | googleearth-package: (utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.5.4 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 18:47.04 | KomiaPoi1a | i have etch and amd64 |
| 18:47.15 | stew | !info googleearth-package etch |
| 18:47.25 | KomiaPoi1a | !info googleearth-package etch |
| 18:47.29 | dpkg | googleearth-package: (utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.0.4 (etch), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 18:47.34 | dpkg | googleearth-package: (utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.0.4 (etch), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 18:48.25 | xingu | sucks down another gigantic update |
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| 18:51.02 | Pasteurized | I try to fing the key of debian-ports.org repository, thanks for help |
| 18:51.07 | Pasteurized | find* |
| 18:52.19 | stew | Pasteurized: you can find it on htt://debian-ports.org |
| 18:53.14 | KomiaPoi1a | i have 2 120G hard drives on my machine. i configured the first one as encrypted lvm at install. how do i make another encrypted lvm on the second drive, to mount it on a single dir, like, /home2? |
| 18:53.14 | valdyn | humbolt: kvm is not yet mature really |
| 18:53.33 | humbolt | valdyn: And Xen is? |
| 18:53.42 | valdyn | humbolt: i have no idea |
| 18:54.09 | humbolt | Isn't only the 2.6.18 kernel really patched by xensource? |
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| 18:55.35 | valdyn | humbolt: kvm is probably the fastest virtualisation in existance, so if it works for you.. go for it |
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| 18:55.39 | And1 | Hi, does anyone know how I can recode mp3-tags and file-names from ISO-8859 to UTF-8 (e.g. using easytag)? |
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| 18:56.42 | markoa | hi everyone |
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| 18:57.05 | markoa | I'm reading adduser man page... what is a system user? |
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| 18:57.54 | gpm | markoa: a user who uses the system |
| 18:58.03 | valdyn | And1: read what it does |
| 18:58.09 | valdyn | And1: ops |
| 18:58.21 | foobar8 | markoa: a user created by the system ;-) (typical example is a user for some daemon) |
| 18:58.26 | noisesmith | markoa: a special not quite root user, a pre-sudo solution to privelidge granularity |
| 18:58.28 | valdyn | markoa: are you reading what adduser --system does compared to normal user ? |
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| 18:58.52 | stew | markoa: a user that is running a system service. for instance a webserver or mail server |
| 18:58.58 | gpm | And1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46284 |
| 18:59.08 | markoa | ok that was very helpful, quick and clear |
| 18:59.16 | gpm | And1: for filenames |
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| 18:59.47 | gpm | tags are a different story. i have a script that tags based on filename, but it is based on my own peculiar organization structure for mp3s |
| 19:00.11 | markoa | I thought that maybe it means "a user who can sudo"... thanks. |
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| 19:00.30 | SlimG | How should I write the «route» parameters to do the following: remove the gw route at eth2 |
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| 19:02.25 | And1 | gpm: Thanks, I'll read the thread now. |
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| 19:04.47 | xingu | wonders wtf his ia32 schroot just sucked citadel-server |
| 19:04.58 | xingu | adds it to the list of things to nuke from orbit |
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| 19:06.57 | farion | is there a way to download a webdav-directory recursive via commandline? |
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| 19:09.04 | xingu | nice, spam all over my consoles from citadel |
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| 19:10.20 | dabreegster | Running inetutils-ftpd, a user is denied permissions to STOR a file in their /home directory. If I log in the same way using the public IP but from within my lan, I have perms. How do I remedy? |
| 19:10.30 | simonrvn | xingu: weee (and hello) |
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| 19:11.00 | And1 | gpm: Hrm, that really seems to work fine... =) |
| 19:11.12 | noisesmith | farion: would wget -r -l <levels> do it? |
| 19:11.29 | And1 | gpm: Should I use "utf8" or "utf8-strict"? |
| 19:11.29 | gpm | And1: hooray |
| 19:11.35 | b23 | hi, i have a dell 1530 laptop and need to select a ethernet card, wich one should i select? |
| 19:11.40 | SlimG | How should I write the «route» parameters to do the following: remove the gw route at eth2 |
| 19:11.45 | gpm | And1: i don't know about utf8-strict, i just use utf8 |
| 19:12.16 | farion | noisesmith: i will try |
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| 19:12.31 | And1 | gpm: K... I never heard anything of -strict. =) |
| 19:13.09 | dabreegster | inetutils-ftpd doesnt seem to have any kind of config file, so maybe I just need to run a diff server |
| 19:13.16 | and][ng | stew: removing cupsys removes... just cupsys |
| 19:13.41 | stew | and][ng: then it wasn't being installed in order to satisfy a dependency |
| 19:14.06 | stew | b23: what are the choices? |
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| 19:15.18 | b23 | stew: a full list of cards, i mean in the install menu |
| 19:15.54 | stew | b23: you are trying to install debian? and the installer didn't recognize the ethernet card? |
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| 19:16.38 | And1 | gpm: Hrm, sometimes I get a "Error: Permission denied"? |
| 19:16.45 | farion | noisesmith: no wget only saves an index.html |
| 19:17.14 | And1 | gpm: Think it are the directory names and they won't be converted, because the files in it wouldn't be found then? oO |
| 19:17.15 | and][ng | stew: I wonder why then.. |
| 19:17.21 | b23 | stew: exactly |
| 19:17.36 | noisesmith | farion: how many levels did you give in the -l argument? |
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| 19:17.45 | farion | noisesmith: 100 |
| 19:17.47 | xingu | dabreegster: sounds like something's intercepting your ftp traffic |
| 19:18.03 | xingu | dabreegster: for instance, checkpoint firewall-1 can be told to do exactly what you're seeing. |
| 19:18.22 | docta_v | what file does debuild look at to set the package version number? |
| 19:18.32 | stew | docta_v: debian/changelog |
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| 19:18.51 | docta_v | thanks |
| 19:18.53 | xingu | dabreegster: suggest you need to have a chat to the person who runs your internet infrastructure and ask them if they're tampering with the ftp session and if they've decided that STOR is verboten |
| 19:19.06 | noisesmith | farion: wget only gets hyperlinks on each page, I don't know how webdav is layed out? |
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| 19:19.42 | farion | noisesimth: thats the thing, there are no links on index |
| 19:19.50 | vy | Hi! While playing an audio cd sound hangs regularly. What might be causing the problem? |
| 19:19.57 | dabreegster | xingu: i'm not supposed to be running any servers anyway on a home license, so I'll just give up and use rapidshare or flash drives. thanks |
| 19:20.16 | farion | and cadaver does not work recursive |
| 19:20.31 | and][ng | ok I've choose "expert" in live-magic, how can I revert to wizard mode ?? |
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| 19:22.58 | jberg_ | what is the lsb and lsb-base packages? |
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| 19:23.39 | simonrvn | jberg_: apt-cache show <package name> [<package name> ...] |
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| 19:25.54 | Mark17 | i want to check other nameservers off my and now i want to know how i can see if a nameserver is authoritive or that it get the information from an other nameserver |
| 19:26.07 | Mark17 | is that possible? |
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| 19:26.34 | jberg_ | simonrvn: ah thanks |
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| 19:27.35 | jberg_ | simonrvn: so its only something i need if i want to write applications that should work on most linuxes? |
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| 19:27.43 | and][ng | live-magic man page doesn't give a clue |
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| 19:28.45 | simonrvn | jberg_: well there are some lsb* packages that'll get installed anyway, due to some (more and more) of the init scripts and other stuff depending on it, but pretty much yes. |
| 19:29.00 | jberg_ | simonrvn: i see |
| 19:31.55 | and][ng | dpkg-reconfigure eventually did it |
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| 19:35.02 | peleg | after adding an "export" line to /root/.bashrc, how can I reload that configuration file ? |
| 19:35.23 | Toznoshio | I tried the Dreamlinux (which is straight Debian) on a PC with an ATI Radeon 9550 graphics card, and the font rendering of the text underneath the icons is pretty blurred. Any pointers in the right direction for how to go about fixing that? |
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| 19:35.43 | stew | Toznoshio: try #dreamlinux |
| 19:35.57 | Toznoshio | stew: it's empty :( |
| 19:36.15 | stew | Toznoshio: try to find a dreamlinux mailing list maybe. sorry, but we only support debian here |
| 19:36.16 | noisesmith | peleg: log root out and back in, or '. /root/.bashrc' you are trying to change root's bash options right? |
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| 19:36.35 | cahoot | or just source it |
| 19:36.38 | sukmydikk | hehehahhehehahehehahheh |
| 19:36.41 | peleg | noisesmith: indeed; I am trying to add a bin folder |
| 19:36.42 | sukmydikk | sukkkk my dikkkzorzzz |
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| 19:39.12 | noisesmith | peleg: you mean add a directory to root's PATH? |
| 19:39.32 | peleg | noisesmith: indeed |
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| 19:39.34 | noisesmith | peleg: I just want to make sure you understand this will only affect the root user |
| 19:39.55 | BubbaT | Hey I am running aptitude like it says on this page:http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/live-helper |
| 19:40.28 | BubbaT | i'm getting an error message can find any package that matches live-magic. |
| 19:40.42 | peleg | noisesmith: of course. actually, I want it to affect users that use sudo. |
| 19:40.49 | peleg | (also) |
| 19:40.53 | and][ng | BubbaT: what system are you on? |
| 19:41.15 | noisesmith | peleg: does sudo source /root/.bashrc? I think it may be a config option that is not on by default |
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| 19:41.29 | BubbaT | What do you mean by system. |
| 19:41.39 | BubbaT | If you mena version I'm using etch. |
| 19:43.08 | peleg | noisesmith: now I see it doesn't. I wonder, then, what .bashrc it *does* source. |
| 19:43.10 | noisesmith | peleg: on my machine, after running sudo bash ~ is still /home/user |
| 19:43.23 | noisesmith | peleg: so it still sources ~/.bashrc |
| 19:43.28 | and][ng | BubbaT: I think that's the point |
| 19:43.33 | noisesmith | peleg: this behaviour is configurable in sudoers, I think |
| 19:43.53 | peleg | /etc/sudoers? I couldn't find there anything about it.. |
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| 19:43.58 | Cheery | hi |
| 19:44.00 | chops | noisesmith: I think that's a bash behavior rather than a sudo behavior. Try: sudo bash -l |
| 19:44.25 | BubbaT | and][ng, what do you mean by point? |
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| 19:44.38 | noisesmith | chops: .bashrc is sourced for non-login shells, if ~ still means user, that is because of sudo I think, not bash |
| 19:44.39 | and][ng | BubbaT: I think live-magic is in lenny |
| 19:44.41 | peleg | noisesmith: well, I have wrote a script and put it in ~/bash |
| 19:44.56 | stew | noisesmith: "man sudo" and search for HOME |
| 19:45.01 | BubbaT | lenny comes after etch? |
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| 19:45.06 | stew | BubbaT: yes |
| 19:45.11 | peleg | noisesmith: ~/bash is in my PATH; calling scriptname works, but calling sudo scriptname does not. |
| 19:45.17 | Cheery | I have a problem with my debian etch, repeatedly in bootup, it enforces filesystem check, claiming it has been 25878 days from the last filesystem check! |
| 19:45.22 | noisesmith | stew: yeah, that was it, thanks |
| 19:45.49 | BubbaT | So there is nothing similar in etch? |
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| 19:46.00 | Cheery | it came when I updated my kernel |
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| 19:46.25 | Eulex | Cheery, from what kernel to what? |
| 19:46.42 | noisesmith | peleg: is it in your path as ~ or as the full directory name? |
| 19:46.48 | Cheery | I have been updating my debian etch, regularly, once in week |
| 19:47.12 | Cheery | updated yesterday |
| 19:47.13 | peleg | noisesmith: with ~ |
| 19:47.27 | peleg | that might be the problem, ha? :-) |
| 19:47.29 | peleg | let me check |
| 19:47.34 | abrotman | Cheery: check your CMOS battery ? |
| 19:47.39 | noisesmith | peleg: hmm, I dunno, but I bet there is a line in sudoers that will fix this? |
| 19:47.45 | Cheery | "Linux version 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch3) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Thu Apr 24 08:33:59 UTC 2008" |
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| 19:48.12 | peleg | noisesmith: I'll check, thanks |
| 19:48.22 | foobar8 | farion: a bit heretic - but if you use gnome - nautilus might be the easiest choice ;-) - otherwise there also was some fuse fs supporting webdav (though afair webdav in the debian package is disabled) |
| 19:48.23 | noisesmith | Cheery: do you have a bad cmos battery? |
| 19:48.31 | abrotman | copy cat! |
| 19:48.35 | Cheery | abrotman: I don't know, it's a quite lottery if it happened to the very same time when I updated my linux kernel |
| 19:48.42 | abrotman | lottery? |
| 19:49.03 | Cheery | I guess I'll replace it then |
| 19:49.09 | Cheery | any other reasons it may occur? |
| 19:49.11 | stew | peleg: the PATH variable is reset by sudo for security purposes. for instance compare the output of "echo $PATH" and "sudo bash -c echo\ '$PATH'" |
| 19:49.23 | peleg | noisesmith: still doesn't work. |
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| 19:50.11 | Cheery | oh well, thank you |
| 19:50.12 | Cheery | gn |
| 19:50.20 | foobar8 | farion: fusedav maybe |
| 19:50.27 | peleg | stew: sudo echo $PATH gives the same path. sudo bash -c echo $PATH gives nothing. |
| 19:50.49 | abrotman | cheebah |
| 19:50.51 | stew | peleg: try: sudo bash -c 'echo $PATH' |
| 19:51.03 | peleg | oh, sorry... |
| 19:51.15 | foobar8 | farion: but i had problems with this one, too |
| 19:51.22 | peleg | I see... different indeed. |
| 19:51.32 | peleg | stew: how can I workaround this? |
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| 19:52.50 | stew | peleg: change whatever you are calling with sudo to not rely on the PATH variable, move whatever needs to be run as root into the PATH in the sudo environment, or change the way sudo handles the PATH variable (man sudo) |
| 19:53.42 | peleg | stew: thanks! |
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| 19:53.53 | DevilChaos | hey guys hows it going? |
| 19:54.12 | abrotman | my dog died |
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| 19:54.34 | simonrvn | i lit a fart and now i have no more ass hair |
| 19:54.40 | DevilChaos | what is the package name for java runtime that will work for iceweasel on unstable? |
| 19:54.40 | saokn | Hello |
| 19:54.50 | abrotman | DevilChaos: apt-cache search java plugin |
| 19:54.52 | rwaite | i'm trying to install mono and i get this: http://paste.debian.net/2312 |
| 19:55.04 | DevilChaos | sorry to hear that dude what kind of dog was it and how old? |
| 19:55.15 | abrotman | rwaite: did you do an aptitude update first ? |
| 19:55.32 | saokn | I installed compiz but deleted it soon after, and now I don't have window borders in XFCE4 |
| 19:55.46 | simonrvn | run xfcm4 |
| 19:55.52 | simonrvn | xfwm4* |
| 19:55.59 | rwaite | no, but i just did, and it gave me the same error again |
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| 19:56.21 | themill | !tell DevilChaos about install java |
| 19:56.24 | abrotman | !depends mono lenny |
| 19:56.26 | saokn | I also unable to run xfce4 settings ( These settings cannot work with your current window manager (unknown) |
| 19:56.27 | BubbaT | Ok I am going to say something stupid now. |
| 19:56.32 | saokn | simonrvn, (xfwm4:4280): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 |
| 19:56.38 | abrotman | !info mono-common lenny |
| 19:56.40 | BubbaT | How do I migrate from etch to lenny. |
| 19:56.46 | abrotman | !tell BubbaT about etch->lenny |
| 19:56.48 | simonrvn | don't run it as root... |
| 19:56.50 | and][ng | !live-magic |
| 19:56.54 | abrotman | you wish |
| 19:56.55 | themill | !tell BubbaT about etch-> yeah, what he said |
| 19:57.03 | abrotman | no i won't, invalid target |
| 19:57.21 | rwaite | is this a common error? |
| 19:57.30 | saokn | simonrvn, sweet, it works, thanks. It was a little weird it didn't go back after I purged compiz settings.. |
| 19:57.37 | abrotman | rwaite: seems like mono is partially not in lenny currently |
| 19:57.45 | rwaite | i see |
| 19:57.49 | rwaite | ok |
| 19:57.52 | DevilChaos | nothing under java plugin dude |
| 19:57.53 | BubbaT | Good for lenny. |
| 19:57.57 | abrotman | rwaite: oh wait .. do you have security sources ? |
| 19:58.03 | rwaite | i think? |
| 19:58.12 | simonrvn | know, don't guess |
| 19:58.27 | abrotman | rwaite: nevermind .. the deps are all goofed up |
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| 19:58.38 | saokn | simonrvn, how can I set it to default as it was before? |
| 19:58.49 | rwaite | oh ok, so it was trying to find a version of the package, but could only find the dfsg versions? |
| 19:58.52 | abrotman | rwaite: aptitude install mono-common mono-jit .. might be enough to get it going depending on what you want |
| 19:58.54 | DevilChaos | abrotman: do you know the package name for jre? |
| 19:58.57 | stew | BubbaT: did you try a backport of whatever it is that is missing in etch? |
| 19:58.59 | kevin___ | how can I use udev to make sure the device name of a hard drive is always the same? |
| 19:59.01 | abrotman | DevilChaos: apt-cache search java plugin |
| 19:59.03 | noisesmith | saokn: you should be able to run the xfce4 prefs utility again? |
| 19:59.09 | simonrvn | saokn: save your session, and all will be well. |
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| 19:59.13 | rwaite | i was just going to try something, its not major. i'll wait for the deps to be fixed |
| 19:59.16 | abrotman | DevilChaos: it's probably like java5-jre-plugin or something like that |
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| 19:59.20 | saokn | noisesmith, yes, simonrvn, thanks again |
| 19:59.26 | stew | DevilChaos: apt-cache showpkg java-virtual-machine |
| 19:59.28 | themill | DevilChaos: did you read what dpkg sent you? |
| 19:59.33 | simonrvn | saokn: make sure your session file os ok too |
| 19:59.34 | DevilChaos | did that but it just went down a line with the curser nothing happened |
| 19:59.45 | DevilChaos | no am in bitchx |
| 19:59.59 | DevilChaos | dont know how to read ext windaws through it |
| 20:00.10 | saokn | simonrvn, how can I make sure that it's ok? I don't have any other config files, so I'll assume it is default now |
| 20:00.10 | BubbaT | stew how do you do a backport? |
| 20:00.16 | stew | BubbaT: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 20:00.23 | DevilChaos | hey stew |
| 20:00.26 | stew | BubbaT: also /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:00.30 | themill | DevilChaos: then get a decent client or learn to use the one you have.... /msg dpkg install java |
| 20:00.41 | DevilChaos | k |
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| 20:01.00 | simonrvn | saokn: i would assume you didn't if you didn't edit files, so you're probably ok. did you do it like "compiz --replace"? |
| 20:01.07 | stew | DevilChaos: "apt-cache showpkg java-virtual-machine" will list JREs in the "Reverse Provides:" section |
| 20:01.15 | and][ng | where does live-magic build the system? |
| 20:01.25 | and][ng | I'm running out of space |
| 20:01.25 | saokn | simonrvn, correct, but I purged compiz settings now |
| 20:01.49 | saokn | What configuration file that command overwrote? |
| 20:02.22 | simonrvn | shouldn't be a problem then. it doesn't. |
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| 20:02.36 | saokn | ok |
| 20:02.44 | stew | saokn: what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/x-window-manager" return? |
| 20:03.52 | DevilChaos | You should explicitly select one to install. |
| 20:03.53 | DevilChaos | E: Package java-virtual-machine has no installation candidate |
| 20:04.29 | DevilChaos | i did apt-get install You should explicitly select one to install. |
| 20:04.29 | DevilChaos | E: Package java-virtual-machine has no installation candidate |
| 20:04.32 | DevilChaos | oops |
| 20:04.33 | stew | DevilChaos: yes, java-virtual-machine is a virtual package, not a real package, to get a list of packages which provide a java-virtual-machine, run "apt-cache showpkg java-virtual-machine" and look at the "reverse provides" section |
| 20:04.34 | DevilChaos | sorry |
| 20:04.54 | DevilChaos | ah |
| 20:04.58 | DevilChaos | ok |
| 20:04.59 | cmanns | Hey guys how do I check which are largest files in a directory? |
| 20:05.07 | saokn | stew, /usr/bin/x-window-manage |
| 20:05.12 | cmanns | hdd on server went 100% for mysql box, dunno what caused it |
| 20:05.27 | DevilChaos | bbl thanks for the help |
| 20:05.34 | stew | cmanns: "ls -S" lists them in descending size order |
| 20:05.53 | stew | saokn: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 20:06.31 | stew | cmanns: if you are looking for the lagest file or subdirectory, try "du -sk * | sort -n" |
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| 20:06.54 | cmanns | thx stew |
| 20:07.19 | saokn | ok, looks like it was using xfwm4 after I issued that last command which fixed the problem but I'm using xfwm to provide x-window-manager just in case |
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| 20:08.15 | jberg_ | iceweasel sucks extremely in gnome. is this a common problem? |
| 20:08.29 | stew | jberg_: can you be more specific than "sucks" |
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| 20:08.35 | jberg_ | it gets slow as hell and makes the whole system slow too |
| 20:09.17 | stew | jberg_: its well known to use lots and lots of memory. otherwise no, however plugins such as flash and java which run in iceweasel are well known to often needlessly use lots of CPU |
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| 20:09.52 | jberg_ | hm ok |
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| 20:10.04 | webPragmatist | wtf is iceweasel |
| 20:10.05 | webPragmatist | a game? |
| 20:10.11 | jberg_ | firefox |
| 20:10.20 | stew | webPragmatist: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 20:10.25 | webPragmatist | yea no |
| 20:10.29 | webPragmatist | w3m! |
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| 20:11.40 | vjoe | hello |
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| 20:12.11 | saokn | stew, alright, works without problems now, thanks again |
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| 20:16.33 | mistiipu | i used a lan card direct pc to pc strategy to share internet to an another pc. now i added another lan card and for another pc to share internet but it is not seem to work. can any one guide me? |
| 20:16.33 | mistiipu | <mistiipu> i have eth1 2 3 firestarter (firewall) says 1 is internet 2 is local 3 is ethernet.. i followed http://www.fs-security.com/docs/connection-sharing.php |
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| 20:18.12 | peleg | I have cp -b in my script, and that should keep a backup of the destination file, if exists. a few tests have shown that it's not doing that. any ideas why? |
| 20:18.32 | peleg | tried --backup as well. |
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| 20:22.46 | noisesmith | peleg: 'touch foo; touch bar; cp -b foo bar' creates the file bar~ over here |
| 20:23.39 | noisesmith | peleg: is the issue that the ~ file already existed, maybe made by emacs? |
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| 20:26.03 | peleg | noisesmith: oh! thank you... GNOME fooled me... how embarrassing... :-) |
| 20:26.48 | noisesmith | peleg: lemme guess, gnome ignores ~ files because it figures you don't want to see them? |
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| 20:27.18 | simonrvn | yes; it's boolean, but defaults to hidden |
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| 20:27.51 | nelf | true/false/hidden the new boolean |
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| 20:28.24 | unfancyness | true/false/won't say/ the new java 2.0 |
| 20:28.24 | simonrvn | hidden/!hidden |
| 20:28.25 | noisesmith | nelf: do you mean that true/false/filenotfound has been extended to include hidden? |
| 20:28.47 | unfancyness | +boolean |
| 20:28.53 | noisesmith | four value boolean ftw |
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| 20:29.17 | bfremon | hi everyone. |
| 20:29.18 | abrotman | ITYM ++boolean |
| 20:29.21 | unfancyness | 8bit boolean for the fool |
| 20:29.25 | sussudio | !dbugs 477454 |
| 20:29.29 | dpkg | #477454:S[quodlibet] Insulting source code; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:24:01 UTC |
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| 20:29.39 | nelf | noisesmith: I am suffering from IRC fatigue and am now projecting all of todays insults back onto undeserving fellow IRCers |
| 20:30.17 | nelf | I'll make up for it by being exceptionally helpful tomorrow, honest |
| 20:30.32 | simonrvn | useless |
| 20:30.53 | noisesmith | sussudio: yeah that was pretty funny |
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| 20:31.57 | abrotman | nelf: or you could just /part |
| 20:31.59 | bfremon | I'm having trouble setting up a D-Link System D-Link System Inc DGE-528T Gigabit Ethernet Adapter. lspci shows the right PCI id's, the corresponding module (r8169.ko) is loaded, dmesg shows the card present as eth0, /etc/network/interfaces is correctly configured, but i cannot ifup the card. |
| 20:32.19 | simonrvn | <programming> 2. (bool) The type of an expression with two possible values, "true" and "false". Also, a variable of Boolean type or a function with Boolean arguments or result. The most common Boolean functions are {AND}, {OR} and {NOT}. |
| 20:32.33 | abrotman | ah .. the rare D-Link System D-Link System |
| 20:32.49 | abrotman | bfremon: does it require firmware ? |
| 20:32.57 | nelf | abrotman: I have to redress the energy balance of the freenode network - if I were to leave with all that negative energy, the whole thing could tip over on it's side and start leaking into the ether |
| 20:33.17 | simonrvn | nelf: or you could just be quiet |
| 20:33.20 | abrotman | lay off the drugs kid |
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| 20:33.31 | bfremon | abrotman: nope, it's supposed to be well supported on Linux. The source code for linux 2.2 and 2.4 is even shipped with the card... |
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| 20:34.13 | bfremon | And some forums posts suggest that till linux 2.6.12 or so, the pci id of the card was not supported, but i'm running 2.6.18 right now. |
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| 20:34.52 | bfremon | I even tried to modify the module by some hex editing (as suggested here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/ethernet-card-dge-528t-and-kernel-2.6-350564), but i had no luck... |
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| 20:35.24 | `duKe`_ | someone know where to get a deb pkg for ssh2 and libssh2? |
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| 20:35.50 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 20:35.59 | streuner | why? ssh has both, ssh1 and ssh2 |
| 20:36.04 | SamuraiDio | does Debian Etch comes with postgresql 7 or 8? |
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| 20:36.14 | p_masho | Can anyone advice a newbie please. Am getting a "XFS mounting filesystem md7 failed!" on bootup.. but machine seems ok? http://rafb.net/p/IhAJOp41.html - what should I do? googleing comes up with all sorts of stuff ! |
| 20:36.21 | gpm | SamuraiDio: packages.debian.org is your friend |
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| 20:37.09 | stew | SamuraiDio: both |
| 20:37.10 | gpm | p_masho: wait, is your root filesystem the one that's showing the error? |
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| 20:37.47 | bfremon | `duke`: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 20:39.47 | p_masho | gpm: how would I establish that? am a total newbie .. |
| 20:39.52 | noisesmith | p_masho: what happens if you try to manually mount /dev/md7 |
| 20:40.02 | gpm | p_masho: are you able to log in? |
| 20:40.06 | noisesmith | p_masho: does /dev/md7 exist? as a file? |
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| 20:40.35 | noisesmith | gpm: he is mounting /dev/md5 and /dev/md6, then /dev/md7 is failing to mount |
| 20:40.56 | unfancyness | bfremon, just doing what bfremon and logging into the sshd should be safe as long as you keep your passwords safe, etc.. |
| 20:41.17 | gpm | oh so it's some other fs |
| 20:41.25 | gpm | so it has an error, fix it with xfsprogs? |
| 20:41.44 | noisesmith | gpm: it is passing fsck just fine, in his paste |
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| 20:42.04 | gpm | hm, maybe dmesg will show more detailed what's wrong? |
| 20:42.14 | gpm | or maybe he needs to tell fsck to be extra picky? |
| 20:42.17 | noisesmith | p_masho: /dev/md7 is being mounted as your /home directory |
| 20:42.22 | unfancyness | p_masho, i mean you :P |
| 20:42.30 | noisesmith | gpm: yeah, that or some manual fix, I bet |
| 20:42.51 | gpm | beat it with a giant magnet |
| 20:42.56 | gpm | that always works |
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| 20:43.19 | noisesmith | gpm: that is not what I had in mind when I said manual, but sure! |
| 20:43.48 | gpm | great minds don't *always* think alike |
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| 20:44.32 | p_masho | so here's the mount points http://rafb.net/p/IG4cCL37.html |
| 20:45.40 | mquin | 'win 15 |
| 20:45.45 | noisesmith | p_masho: I have not used xfs, but you may want to check if fsck.xfs has some options for checking or fixing partitions? |
| 20:46.13 | noisesmith | p_masho: also, I presume that when you run the 'mount' command, it does not show /dev/md7 as mounted? |
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| 20:47.01 | p_masho | noisesmith: mount includes this line >> /dev/md7 on /home type xfs (rw,usrquota) |
| 20:47.13 | p_masho | and I cannaviaget the /home directory etc... |
| 20:47.34 | p_masho | ^ can navigate |
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| 20:47.47 | noisesmith | p_masho: I am guessing some other command is failing, or xfs is lying to you |
| 20:47.59 | p_masho | ummm |
| 20:48.25 | silent_ | following the guide on the forums to setup firefox, I get the following error when running it: /opt/firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 20:48.43 | silent_ | I can locate the file mentioned above though, and it exists on my system |
| 20:48.44 | noisesmith | p_masho: my first guess is that something in /etc/init.d is running, and announcing it failed without announcing that it is running first |
| 20:49.00 | stew | silent_: is there a reason you aren't just using the iceweasel package from debian? |
| 20:49.02 | noisesmith | p_masho: and that makes it look like the previous command (the xfs mount) failed |
| 20:49.24 | noisesmith | p_masho: either that or something in /etc/init.d is misinterpreting the return value of mount.xfs |
| 20:49.42 | silent_ | stew, I enjoy plugins that are compatible with newer builds |
| 20:49.56 | p_masho | ok.. will start sniffing around... this stuff makes me very nervous though... |
| 20:49.57 | And1 | How can I search for files with a "?" in it? Something like `locate ?'... |
| 20:50.23 | gpm | you could use a gui search tool, if you have a gnome or kde |
| 20:50.26 | unfancyness | And1, grep "?" filename ? |
| 20:50.45 | gpm | And1: oh, do you want files with questions marks in them? |
| 20:50.48 | stew | silent_: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 20:50.50 | And1 | unfancyness: I don't want to search in files. =) |
| 20:50.50 | unfancyness | and the last ? was for you |
| 20:50.52 | gpm | or with question marks in the file name? |
| 20:50.56 | gpm | oh ok |
| 20:51.00 | gpm | gui search |
| 20:51.00 | And1 | gpm: In the filename. =) |
| 20:51.10 | gpm | or escape it with quotes or backslashes |
| 20:51.11 | unfancyness | right.. |
| 20:51.14 | gpm | i can't rremember which |
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| 20:51.21 | unfancyness | And1, man find |
| 20:51.25 | And1 | gpm: I tried to escape it. =/ |
| 20:51.40 | gpm | ah, find is the shit |
| 20:51.41 | silent_ | stew, I went through that. I have the library in which the file is included installed as well |
| 20:51.47 | jbasse | And1 |
| 20:51.47 | unfancyness | And1, you got an awesome signal/smiley ration.. |
| 20:51.48 | jbasse | find . -name "\?" |
| 20:51.53 | unfancyness | s/ration/ratio/ |
| 20:52.18 | craigevil | silent_: what plugins cant you use with iceweasel? |
| 20:52.43 | stew | And1: perhaps "locate -r '\?'" |
| 20:52.52 | silent_ | craigevil, few mass image grabbing plugins |
| 20:53.00 | And1 | jbasse: That does not work. |
| 20:53.06 | noisesmith | And1: find . -regex '.*\?.*' -print does what you want |
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| 20:53.31 | gpm | And1: yeah, there are a bunch of different escapes you could try using quotes and backslashes...one of which might work |
| 20:53.36 | gpm | or what noisesmith said |
| 20:53.37 | silent_ | craigevil, perhaps it depends on something else except a different build, but I'd like to get firefox running regardless |
| 20:53.49 | noisesmith | And1: I just tested that one I suggested, it works |
| 20:54.09 | And1 | Ah ok, thanks guys... quotes AND backslashes works... and the find-regex-thingy... |
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| 20:54.43 | aasdfas | hello i can't log into live cd but i need to install grub in windows in order to load my linux... how can i do it |
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| 20:55.08 | Saar | hey, how would I make exim start as group shadow, meaning how do I need to modify user Debian-exim to enable this? |
| 20:55.35 | Saar | i did usermod -a -G shadow Debian-exim but that didnt work |
| 20:55.49 | stew | And1: i don't think any combination of quotes and backslashes would work with locate unless you specify that you are locating by regex, in which case you can escape the ? with a \, but then you either have to escape both for your shell as well giving \\\? or put the whole thing into quotes so that your shell doesn't touch it |
| 20:56.33 | format_c | gpasswd -a Debian-exim shadow; Why do you want that? |
| 20:56.53 | J-roen | Hi. Today I upgraded the perl packages from 5.8.8-7etch1 to 5.8.8-7etch3. Now OTRS doesn't work anymore, because of syntax errors. According to the changelog of the Debian perl package, only two heap overflows have been fixed. I don't think the fixes have caused the problem. What else could be the problem? |
| 20:57.26 | And1 | stew: "locate '\?'" worked. =) |
| 20:57.43 | format_c | doesn't work is a bit like looking into the magic glass ball |
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| 20:57.49 | stew | hrm |
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| 20:58.36 | J-roen | format_c: One of the syntax errors is: Global symbol "%params" requires explicit package name |
| 20:58.52 | J-roen | That wasn't a problem before the upgrade. |
| 20:59.21 | format_c | That looks like use strict was enabled before |
| 20:59.38 | And1 | Now all my filenames are UTF8... now I need to edit the mp3tags... :-X |
| 20:59.58 | J-roen | format_c: That sounds hopeful. I'll try to enable that option again. |
| 20:59.59 | Saar | format_c: debian exim docs suggest it to allow smtp_auth |
| 21:00.06 | format_c | J-roen, ah wasn't |
| 21:00.08 | format_c | I mean |
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| 21:00.45 | format_c | what means smtp_auth |
| 21:00.55 | format_c | auth against system users? |
| 21:01.12 | format_c | for that purpose you should use saslauth |
| 21:01.22 | Saar | smtp authentication |
| 21:01.25 | J-roen | format_c: I don't really know, I didn't enable or disable it and don't know how to switch it, but I'll try to find out how. |
| 21:01.26 | Saar | http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html |
| 21:01.27 | format_c | there is a section prepared in your exim.conf |
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| 21:02.10 | NomadX | Can anyone tell me how stable (or rather usable) is lenny atm? |
| 21:02.13 | format_c | J-roen, Could you try to go to this file and line and put a "my " in front of %param. |
| 21:02.17 | stew | J-roen: have you checked the bts? (/msg dpkg bts) |
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| 21:02.54 | Saar | format_c: that'd auhtneticate against local users? |
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| 21:03.29 | Saar | i was wanting to use pam |
| 21:05.03 | format_c | Ah OK |
| 21:05.17 | infernix | can i use "ssh somehost 'cat /dev/sdX-remote-usb-stick' > /dev/sdX-local-usb-stick? e.g. in other words, will the SSH session preserve bit for bit when used like this? |
| 21:05.19 | format_c | For me I'm walking fine with sasl |
| 21:05.21 | infernix | or is there a more sane method? |
| 21:05.36 | J-roen | format_c: All the used variables are declared with 'my variablename' or 'my %variablename'. |
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| 21:05.53 | format_c | even %param? |
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| 21:06.05 | format_c | But then the error message makes no sense |
| 21:06.50 | stew | infernix: yes, that will work |
| 21:06.54 | NomadX | ... so nobody has taken a look at yesterdays testing freeze? |
| 21:07.21 | infernix | stew: sweet, thanks |
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| 21:07.44 | J-roen | format_c: Yeah, I understand. I think the problem is somewhere else. Another error message: syntax error at ... near "debug " field param <$param> = <$params{$param}>"" |
| 21:07.47 | stew | NomadX: what do you mean by "yesterdays tesing freeze"? |
| 21:07.50 | J-roen | The line is: debug " field param <$param> = <$params{$param}>"; |
| 21:08.07 | NomadX | stew: the weekly testing build... |
| 21:08.08 | J-roen | When I comment out the line, the problem seems to be fixed (but others arise). |
| 21:08.08 | stew | NomadX: not much of testing is currently frozen, only the toolchain and the udebs, afaik |
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| 21:09.16 | J-roen | format_c: It seems lines starting with 'debug ' and 'usage ' are causing the problem. |
| 21:09.20 | NomadX | NomadX: poor choice of words, just wondering if testing is fairly usable atm... |
| 21:09.36 | NomadX | heh, talking to myself |
| 21:09.47 | And1 | Bye. =) |
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| 21:10.03 | libin_v | i have just reinstalled windows xp on my winxp+debian machine and the boot loader has been over written |
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| 21:10.23 | stew | NomadX: the installer is beta. it might work, it might not. installing etch and upgrading has a better chance of working |
| 21:10.23 | format_c | The question is why they are printed and the not yet defined variables queried |
| 21:10.31 | stew | libin_v: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 21:10.37 | stew | J-roen: have you checked the bts? |
| 21:10.47 | format_c | MMhh looks very strange |
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| 21:11.00 | Orion_X11 | libin_v: Reinstall again without win_xp :-) This is the best solution |
| 21:11.04 | J-roen | stew: I tried, but nothing happened. Is that correct? |
| 21:11.12 | NomadX | stew: oh ok, thanks.. |
| 21:11.18 | stew | J-roen: what do you mean "nothing happened"? |
| 21:11.31 | Joelito | Question: anyone know when is the date of debian r4? |
| 21:11.43 | J-roen | stew: Sorry, just missed the private message from dpkg. Yes, I already tried to search in the bts. |
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| 21:11.53 | valdyn | Joelito: you dont understand debian release versioning? |
| 21:11.59 | Durtro | sup? |
| 21:12.12 | Joelito | valdyn: no :( |
| 21:12.16 | Orion_X11 | Joelito: http://www.debian.org/ |
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| 21:13.17 | J-roen | Is this bad perl? |
| 21:13.20 | J-roen | sub exists { usage "deprecated; use count() instead"; |
| 21:13.28 | valdyn | !etch+1 |
| 21:13.28 | dpkg | Ask me about <lenny>. |
| 21:13.35 | valdyn | lenny |
| 21:13.38 | valdyn | !lenny |
| 21:13.38 | dpkg | i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). |
| 21:13.40 | unfancyness | is there good perl? |
| 21:13.45 | NickPresta | J-roen, I would imagine if it is deprecated, you should use count() instead :) |
| 21:14.04 | J-roen | NickPresta: It is the syntax of that line that is causing problems, not the sub self. But thanks :). |
| 21:14.26 | J-roen | The otrs package contains lots of lines like that (usage ...) but now perl says they are all syntax errors. |
| 21:14.28 | stew | Joelito: do you mean 4.0r4? or 4.0? or lenny? something else? |
| 21:14.34 | NomadX | unfancyness: there is good perl and there is readable perl, never shall the two meet :) |
| 21:14.43 | Joelito | stew: 4.0 r1 |
| 21:14.45 | Joelito | r4 |
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| 21:15.07 | stew | Joelito: i don't know of any plans. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release would probably be the place to check |
| 21:15.54 | valdyn | Joelito: why would you ask for r4? new kernel ? |
| 21:16.00 | Durtro | you tell me ;) |
| 21:16.17 | valdyn | !etch |
| 21:16.17 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
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| 21:17.03 | Joelito | valdyn: I'm planing to downlad the DVD-1, but if there to be a new release, I might wait for it |
| 21:17.29 | valdyn | Joelito: the new release isnt going to be very different, counting just data |
| 21:17.38 | valdyn | Joelito: its a bugfix release only |
| 21:17.53 | valdyn | Joelito: no point waiting |
| 21:17.57 | NomadX | Joelito: you can always update |
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| 21:18.21 | valdyn | Joelito: 4.0->5.0 is a big change, 4.0r3->4.0r4 isnt much at all |
| 21:18.55 | Dark-Fx | Lenny out in September? |
| 21:19.02 | valdyn | Dark-Fx: no |
| 21:19.03 | NomadX | Dark-Fx: yes |
| 21:19.12 | NomadX | thats what the devel site says... |
| 21:19.12 | stew | Joelito: when the revision comes out, there will also be an update cd which contains just the changed packages (which won't be many). anyone who installed from any previous revision of 4.0 would be up to date with 4.0r4 when it comes out simply by running "aptitude upgrade" |
| 21:19.12 | unfancyness | J-roen, u sure you closed that { ? |
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| 21:19.27 | valdyn | Dark-Fx: debian never hits planned release times |
| 21:19.29 | Dark-Fx | Well, knowing debian it won't be out then.. |
| 21:19.34 | stew | Dark-Fx: that is the goal, but it is not likely to be hit |
| 21:19.53 | Joelito | oh, ok...well..I'll just install it then :) |
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| 21:20.00 | Dark-Fx | Why not just say 6.0 expected release date is October 08 |
| 21:20.00 | Dark-Fx | heh |
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| 21:20.11 | stew | Dark-Fx: lenny will be released when the green line hits zero: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 21:20.40 | L3S3R | debian lenny should be in stable in december |
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| 21:21.22 | stew | L3S3R: what makes you say that? |
| 21:21.36 | streuner | stew: his crystal-thingie ;-) |
| 21:21.41 | stew | ahh |
| 21:21.48 | L3S3R | rumors form crystall-ball |
| 21:22.02 | stew | woody should have been out in 2004 |
| 21:22.15 | stew | sarge should have been out in 2006 |
| 21:22.18 | stew | err etch |
| 21:22.29 | J-roen | unfancyness: Yes. The error message is: syntax error at File.pm line 390, near "usage "deprecated; use count() instead"" |
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| 21:22.33 | stew | how does i remember released names |
| 21:22.57 | J-roen | unfancyness: There are many lines in the OTRS code starting with 'usage'. |
| 21:23.40 | NomadX | stew: because you liked the movie? |
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| 21:24.20 | stew | J-roen: what versin of otrs2 is installed now? |
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| 21:24.48 | L3S3R | last? |
| 21:25.03 | unfancyness | J-roen, but only one line 390 |
| 21:25.56 | J-roen | stew: Our current version is 2.2.5. |
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| 21:26.05 | jaggz- | is there any way I can run audio on this linux box but have it play on the XP system in the other room? |
| 21:26.12 | jaggz- | (because I like amarok so much) |
| 21:26.17 | J-roen | unfancyness: Yes, but all those lines are causing syntax errors. |
| 21:26.26 | J-roen | unfancyness: Not only the one at 390. |
| 21:26.36 | stew | J-roen: how did you install otrs2? |
| 21:26.56 | J-roen | stew: That's a while ago. I think I followed http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-otrs-open-source-ticket-request-system-in-debian.html. |
| 21:27.04 | unfancyness | J-roen, it has to start somewhere |
| 21:28.14 | stew | J-roen: what does "apt-cache policy otrs2" say for "Installed:" ? |
| 21:28.27 | J-roen | unfancyness: Just all the lines starting with 'usage ' or 'debug ' are causing syntax errors. I don't know what kind of language construct this is, but since the Perl upgrade of Debian we installed this afternoon, the error occur. |
| 21:28.30 | stew | J-roen: 2.2.5 is not a current version in any release of debian |
| 21:29.05 | J-roen | stew: I know, the Debian package is very very old, so I installed a more recent version. |
| 21:29.14 | J-roen | stew: That worked fine for months now. |
| 21:29.18 | stew | 17:24 < stew> J-roen: how did you install otrs2? |
| 21:29.45 | L3S3R | you should download it and compile |
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| 21:30.03 | J-roen | stew: I thought I followed the steps at debianadmin.com, but I see that cannot be the case. |
| 21:30.18 | J-roen | stew: I think OTRS has a installation manual for Debian also. I might have followed that one. |
| 21:30.31 | stew | 17:25 < stew> J-roen: what does "apt-cache policy otrs2" say for "Installed:" ? |
| 21:30.49 | J-roen | stew: Installed (none) (I already answered that one) |
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| 21:31.19 | J-roen | The weirdest thing is that the Perl upgrade is only one security heap fix. |
| 21:31.26 | J-roen | How can that cause a problem like this one? |
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| 21:32.27 | ZootAllures | hello. i'm having troubles getting both of my displays to help and was wondering if anybody could help me out a bit |
| 21:32.39 | ZootAllures | hello. i'm having troubles getting both of my displays to work and was wondering if anybody could help me out a bit |
| 21:33.21 | J-roen | I just found a forum topic of someone with the same problem: http://www.webhostingtalk.pl/index.php?showtopic=11699. Unfortunately no responses yet. |
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| 21:33.32 | stew | J-roen: well i must be missing some of you messages then. sorry. I'd suggest trying the debian packages of otrs2 |
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| 21:34.01 | J-roen | stew: I already thought that would be the only 'correct' solution. |
| 21:34.43 | J-roen | Maybe I can try to downgrade and see if the problem is solved. How can I downgrade 5.8.8-7etch3 to 5.8.8-7etch1? |
| 21:34.46 | J-roen | (perl) |
| 21:35.18 | BubbaT | Are their lenny packages at security.debian.org? |
| 21:35.31 | ZootAllures | does anybody here have experience in setting up dual displays? |
| 21:35.41 | valdyn | !tell ZootAllures -about ask |
| 21:36.05 | stew | BubbaT: yes, but security releases sometimes don't cover lenny, you shouldn't count on them being there for every security release. if security is a concern, use stable |
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| 21:36.17 | ZootAllures | thanks, valdyn |
| 21:36.21 | valdyn | ZootAllures: which driver? which docs are you following? what is working? |
| 21:37.10 | valdyn | ZootAllures: "linux <drivername> X dual display" is probably a reasonable google search |
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| 21:37.47 | BubbaT | stew I was just wondering whether I should update the entry security.debian.org in sources.list when upgrading. |
| 21:37.47 | J-roen | I'll try again tomorrow. Thanks for all your help. |
| 21:37.56 | stew | BubbaT: you should |
| 21:38.05 | ZootAllures | i have an ati rage pro installed which is working. the onboard display is an sis real256e(sis661 FX). both adapters are recognized and i can choose from either adapter with displayconfig-gtk, but it will not let me use both at the same time |
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| 21:38.49 | valdyn | ZootAllures: i dont know about a GUI to set this up |
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| 21:40.20 | ZootAllures | valdyn: i've been looking at the manual for xorg.conf and have tried to manually configure the file but have had no luck. i could pastebin what i've tried if you think that would help |
| 21:40.33 | valdyn | ZootAllures: http://wiki.unixboard.de/index.php/HowTo:DualHead |
| 21:40.55 | valdyn | ZootAllures: paste the config anyway. And the Xorg.0.log, both on a paste site |
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| 21:41.19 | linkslice | I've got a few virtual domains running under apache 1.3 on etch, but will upgrading to apache2, is there any 'gotchas' I should watch for? |
| 21:41.23 | ZootAllures | vader: is the wiki for adapters that can support two monitors? i have two seperate adapters |
| 21:41.38 | ZootAllures | sorry |
| 21:42.00 | valdyn | ZootAllures: 2 or one adapter does not change the setup significantly |
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| 21:42.38 | ZootAllures | valdyn: ok. could you link me to an english version of that page? i don't know german |
| 21:42.41 | valdyn | ZootAllures: in both cases you specify _2_ Devices |
| 21:43.21 | valdyn | ZootAllures: maybe http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors |
| 21:43.29 | themill | linkslice: it's many many years since I upgraded so I can't really tell you about that, but it is worth changing over to the sites-available/sites-enabled config structure. Unless you have an insanely complicated setup, it's worthwhile rewriting your config files from scratch to fit in with this new way of going things |
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| 21:44.23 | valdyn | ZootAllures: the basics are simple, you get 2 display and 2 monitor sections instead of one of each, and an additional ServerLayout Section, all of which you can see examples of in both of these HOWTOs |
| 21:44.28 | ZootAllures | valdyn: thank you. i'll hold off on pasting things. i think i should have read a bit more before asking for help |
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| 21:44.36 | r121 | I'm trying to use debootstrap to install Sid, but it's failing on me, and Google gives me this: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.boot/98760 So what is this Perl transition that is happening |
| 21:45.03 | stew | r121: 5.8 -> 5.10 |
| 21:45.26 | valdyn | ZootAllures: on top of that you get to configure the logic between those displays ( clone,xinerama, whatever ), but that comes later |
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| 21:45.56 | venger | i noticed an fsck running during boot up but i caught it at the tail end where it basically corrected errors but needed to reboot. is there any way to see what errors that it did correct since the reboot occured? |
| 21:46.16 | r121 | stew: ah, thanks. how long will this affect me? maybe I'll just install testing instead |
| 21:46.37 | ZootAllures | valdyn: yes, and that's what i had. could it have something to do with the drivers that are being used for the adapters? the dual display works fine in my windows installation, but only after i had installed drivers from the manufacturers |
| 21:46.51 | stew | r121: unknwon how long. check the bts for perl-base which has a bug open about exactly this issue |
| 21:47.12 | r121 | stew: thanks, I'll check it |
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| 21:51.12 | humbolt | how can I disassemble a raid device without destroying the data and without changing the md numbers of the remaining raid devices? |
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| 21:52.34 | linkslice | themill, new structure? hehe I think I'm more unprepared than I thought |
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| 21:52.54 | linkslice | I jsut wanna do apt-get upgrade ;) |
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| 21:54.43 | h0ax | anyone know what i can do about this : checking whether build environment is sane... configure: error: newly created file is older than distributed files! |
| 21:54.44 | themill | linkslice: well... last time I looked at apache 1.3, the user was encouraged to stick everything into apache.conf (or similar). The configuration for apache2.2 is significantly more friendly to both the packager and the user, putting "standard" settings that you probably don't need to change or override in apache2.conf and then allowing you to override settings in either /etc/apache2/conf.d or sites-enabled or mods-enabled directories. |
| 21:55.20 | themill | linkslice: If you don't touch apache2.conf, then the next time you need to update the apache packages, you will have considerably less work to do. |
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| 21:55.21 | stew | h0ax: what does "date" return? |
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| 21:55.32 | humbolt | Is it possible to put a grub on a raid partition? |
| 21:55.45 | alesan | hi, how do I find out which package contains the "openssl" binary? I need that command and I am not sure what to install. |
| 21:55.49 | humbolt | I mean both the mbr and the grub files?! |
| 21:55.58 | stew | alesan: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 21:56.05 | alesan | humbolt: I did that on RAID1 disks |
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| 21:56.13 | alesan | humbolt: not sure if it would work on others |
| 21:56.19 | h0ax | stew: Fri Jan 1 00:29:01 GMT 190 |
| 21:56.23 | h0ax | wrong one :P |
| 21:56.26 | humbolt | alesan: it is a raid1 |
| 21:56.34 | humbolt | alesan: but the damn thing is not booting up |
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| 21:57.43 | bipolar | humbolt: I think it only works if it's hardware raid |
| 21:57.53 | alesan | humbolt: no idea. I did thta a couple of years ago and I do ont remember exactly what I did |
| 21:58.06 | alesan | no, mine was fully software raid |
| 21:58.17 | stew | h0ax: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 21:58.35 | humbolt | Any idea what that means? Running "embed /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0)"... failed (this is not fatal) |
| 21:58.37 | alesan | 5 hard disks with RAID1 root fs and RAID5 /home |
| 21:58.37 | steego | hi, can anyone offer some advice on getting my second usb mouse working? i'm using /dev/input/mice but only one works.. |
| 21:59.13 | steego | i have both /dev/input/mouse0 and mouse1 in the folder, but when I cat them only one shows any output when moving the mouse |
| 21:59.21 | h0ax | --set |
| 21:59.23 | humbolt | alesan: see, it worked for the first partition, where my grub mbr is in the hdds mbr not in the partition however. |
| 21:59.25 | alesan | I don't want to install apt-file on this embedded installation, isn't there another way to search for a package that contains a given file? |
| 21:59.47 | themill | !tell alesan about search |
| 21:59.49 | humbolt | but for whatever reason I can not chainload my second partition |
| 21:59.52 | bipolar | humbolt: grub needs to be loaded on a drive marked as bootable, and is loaded in the master boot record. So if you're using software raid, grub is not technicaly on the raid partition. You'll need a non raid /boot partition for it to work... I think... |
| 22:00.10 | alesan | humbolt: why don't you simply install it in the first "BIOS boot" hard disk |
| 22:00.43 | humbolt | I have two system on there and I want to chainload the grub on the other partition |
| 22:00.49 | bipolar | unless grub itself can understand raid partitions... which I doubt. |
| 22:01.11 | alesan | humbolt: it may be of little help but now I remember, I did that RAID setup using fedora6, and everything from the graphical installer. |
| 22:01.27 | themill | alesan: BTW you can probably guess the package name.... but packages.debian.org and our dpkg bot here can also answer your question. |
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| 22:02.16 | humbolt | what does the NC flag in cfdisk mean? |
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| 22:04.16 | h0ax | i'm getting this .. no acceptable C compiler... but i'm sure i installed C compiler |
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| 22:05.48 | stew | h0ax: install build-essential |
| 22:06.02 | h0ax | im sure i did that =/ |
| 22:07.08 | h0ax | clearly not =/ |
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| 22:08.14 | noisesmith | h0ax: if a configure script has CFLAGS that your c compiler cannot work with, the compiling of hello.c will fail, so it will think your c compiler does not work, when really it is an option your compiler cannot handle, or a -l with a nonexistant lib, etc. |
| 22:09.18 | h0ax | i see |
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| 22:12.15 | h0ax | checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool |
| 22:12.23 | h0ax | do i need perl-modules for this |
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| 22:12.57 | ``y7 | does anybody know the default port for remote desktop? |
| 22:13.15 | petemc | 3389? |
| 22:13.22 | themill | sounds familiar |
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| 22:23.22 | runa | ciao |
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| 22:26.00 | h0ax | You must have the GLib 2.0 development headers installed to build. |
| 22:26.12 | h0ax | i've built pkg-config ... but it's still telling me that |
| 22:26.31 | stew | h0ax: what are you trying to compile? |
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| 22:27.14 | h0ax | pidgin |
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| 22:27.39 | stew | h0ax: apt-get build-dep pidgin |
| 22:27.47 | themill | backports.org? |
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| 22:27.55 | stew | h0ax: is there a reason you are compiling it instead of just installing it with apt-get / aptitude ? |
| 22:28.09 | h0ax | im running PPC |
| 22:28.14 | h0ax | it's not in my apt-get |
| 22:28.31 | stew | h0ax: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 22:29.25 | h0ax | man your a life saver :P |
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| 22:34.01 | noisesmith | h0ax: what hardware ppc? I have been getting weird connection problems with my airport, but I don't know if it is a bug or misconfiguration |
| 22:34.17 | h0ax | 400mhz 302mb ram |
| 22:34.20 | h0ax | iMac |
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| 22:34.50 | nse | hello everybody: which package I need to install in order to have MySQL running if I want to be a web server? |
| 22:35.28 | stew | nse: mysql-server |
| 22:35.44 | stew | nse: if you want it to be a web server, you should also install a webserver. apache2 is probably the most common |
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| 22:36.12 | stew | nse: are you expecting the web server and the mysql-server to communicate? if so, how? (php?) |
| 22:36.14 | nse | stew: Let me explain my situation for you: I am developing a weblog. The HTML and CSS thing about it is done. I have the unchanging layout and the layout of specific posts, and also a menu for categories and recent posts. I also have a form ready to receive comments. I am learning PHP in a tutorial but I don't know nothing about MySQL yet. My computer will be the web server itself - and I still don't know a lot about Apache. I want to know from |
| 22:36.35 | noisesmith | h0ax: no airport card I presume |
| 22:36.38 | stew | nse: then also install libapache2-mod-php5 and php5-mysql |
| 22:37.19 | ``y7 | i have to get hotmail to work with iceweasel.... my grandma uses hotmail and whenever she attempts to go to hotmail.com it tells her she has to sign up for "windows live hotmail" i click to update my account for it and then it brings me right back to the "you need windows live hotmail" |
| 22:37.30 | ``y7 | is hotmail not possible on linux? |
| 22:38.07 | nse | stew: do you know a good place where I can learn embased knowledge for working with PHP, MySQL and Apache2? |
| 22:38.26 | nse | I believe Drivel is not what I am looking for |
| 22:38.32 | stew | nse: i don't know |
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| 22:38.53 | nse | because they're all very interconnected |
| 22:39.15 | omnil | ``y7, did you try user-agent-switcher? |
| 22:39.47 | ``y7 | negative |
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| 22:40.09 | ``y7 | is that in iceweasel settings, or is that a program i need to apt-get install? |
| 22:40.45 | AcTiVaTe | I never had any problems logging into my hotmail account. AFAIK you don't need to convert to Windows Live! |
| 22:40.52 | omnil | ``y7, it is a firefox extension designed to trick sites like hotmail |
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| 22:41.59 | omnil | ``y7, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59 |
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| 22:43.12 | ``y7 | ty omnil |
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| 22:44.43 | h0ax | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 22:44.43 | h0ax | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 22:44.50 | h0ax | i ran apt-get update and got that |
| 22:45.11 | stew | h0ax: read the instructions page on backports.org |
| 22:45.19 | h0ax | i am |
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| 22:45.45 | h0ax | i've added the deb http:// and ran apt-get update |
| 22:45.59 | jim | worked? |
| 22:46.34 | h0ax | no |
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| 22:46.45 | jim | E lines? |
| 22:46.53 | jim | W lines? |
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| 22:47.11 | h0ax | not sure what they are |
| 22:47.24 | AcTiVaTe | Well, seeing they start with W: ... |
| 22:47.44 | h0ax | yes they are |
| 22:47.51 | jim | E: lines are errors and W: lines are warnings |
| 22:48.00 | h0ax | thry were w: |
| 22:48.01 | jim | so your next step might work |
| 22:48.14 | jim | if you had to guess, what would you say they meant? |
| 22:48.20 | fiendishfish | Can I download the DEB files for a application on the debian website? |
| 22:48.38 | jim | yes |
| 22:48.49 | unop | fiendishfish, sure, http://packages.debian.org |
| 22:48.52 | jim | or from a mirror |
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| 22:49.12 | AcTiVaTe | wonders why not just apt-get and save downloading from sites manually |
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| 22:49.45 | fiendishfish | AcTiVaTe, It's upgrading it due to an exploit, and apt-get isn't recognizing the fact that it's out of date. |
| 22:49.57 | jcranmer | so my sound card isn't working; which package should I reconfigure? |
| 22:50.22 | Deezire | fiendishfish: tested the unstable? |
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| 22:50.28 | Deezire | unstable/testing |
| 22:50.33 | Deezire | often newer versions |
| 22:50.37 | Suprano | my wholes system lags when i read in a dvd/cdrom :( |
| 22:50.39 | hmuller | I'm looking for a pointer to information that explains the purpose of "build-stamp" in a makefile. I've searched both the manpage and manual, and googled. |
| 22:50.45 | Suprano | *whole |
| 22:51.10 | jim | do you understand how make brings projects up to date? |
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| 22:52.35 | hmuller | jim: If you question, was directed to me, then I do not, and need to research that. I searched the manual for "build-stamp" and didn't find it. |
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| 22:52.57 | izzyb | is there a way to kill a process that wont die with kill -KILL? |
| 22:53.25 | jim | your future understanding of why they decided to use build-stamp depends on your knowledge of the basic workings of make |
| 22:53.26 | ``y7 | omnil, it didn't work. any other suggestions? |
| 22:54.12 | jim | hmuller: do you do any C work? |
| 22:54.17 | jcranmer | nm, found it meself |
| 22:54.29 | jim | excellent! |
| 22:54.47 | hmuller | jim: I can write simple C, but still learning, not done yet |
| 22:55.14 | jim | ok, good... so, do you have a basic understanding of the overall parts of the compiler? |
| 22:55.37 | omnil | ``y7, so, they plugged the hole; it worked it the past http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/08/1355246 |
| 22:55.44 | hmuller | jim: Yes, I can compile a program, trying to learn how to do it in the overall context of an operating system now |
| 22:56.02 | ``y7 | omnil, is there anything else i can do? |
| 22:56.17 | jim | I see that you can compile... my question is not that... |
| 22:56.21 | aindilis | sorry for the off topic post: what's a good roommate finding service? |
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| 22:56.30 | stew | hmuller: in makefiles, -stamp files are generally just zero byte files that are created in order to signal to the makefile that a certain operation has already been performed |
| 22:56.34 | omnil | ``y7, you didn't forget to restart the browser, did you? |
| 22:56.36 | jim | I want to know if you understand the different stages of c compilation |
| 22:56.46 | ``y7 | omnil, no, and i also selected all three browsers to attempt to fake |
| 22:57.01 | hmuller | jim: I am merely a novice, but yes |
| 22:57.04 | stew | hmuller: this has nothing to do with c compilation or the compiler, so you can probably ignore jim |
| 22:57.12 | hmuller | stew: that was useful, thanks |
| 22:57.46 | stew | h0ax: specifically read the part of the instructions page starting with "If you are using etch and you want apt to verify the downloaded backports" |
| 22:57.51 | jim | stew is an op, so he finds himself deciding what info is useful and what is not, for other people... |
| 22:57.53 | hmuller | stew: i.e. that the build portion of the makefile completed |
| 22:58.00 | jim | stew: maybe you should let him decide |
| 22:58.09 | h0ax | I'm looking to develop my website around a certian debian area ...any ideas ? |
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| 22:59.05 | hmuller | jim: I'm here to learn, specifically where I need to specifically focus my reading to further my basic understanding |
| 22:59.17 | jim | hmuller: were you interested in why and how that process happens? (stew doesn't think so) |
| 22:59.26 | hmuller | jim: and I don't normally use two words twice in the same sentence |
| 22:59.26 | stew | jim: why are you talking about C? nothing he is asking has anything to do with C |
| 22:59.51 | jim | stew: wait and see. |
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| 23:00.37 | hmuller | jim: looks like you are trying to tell me the manual I need more detail from is the gcc manual? |
| 23:01.02 | omnil | ``y7, icedove? |
| 23:01.05 | jim | no, I'm trying to let you think the process through... would you like to continue? |
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| 23:01.43 | ``y7 | omnil, is that another browser? |
| 23:01.49 | stew | hmuller: build-stamp has nothing to do with gcc |
| 23:02.23 | stew | hmuller: i don't know why we are discussing c or gcc at all, it doesn't relate to your quesiton |
| 23:02.37 | omnil | ``y7, no, icedove == thunderbird |
| 23:03.03 | ``y7 | i can't switch her stuff around though, she has alzheimers and doesn't remember anything |
| 23:03.31 | ``y7 | that's why i'm trying to put her on linux, she only uses the internet for her e-mail, but she keeps clicking all the "speed up your computer" shit on windows and doesn't remember to not click that stuff when i tell her not to |
| 23:03.43 | AcTiVaTe | thunderbird can use WebMail extension and that can use Hotmail. |
| 23:03.53 | AcTiVaTe | Never even asks for a password |
| 23:03.58 | ``y7 | but will it all look the same to her and be in the same place? |
| 23:03.58 | AcTiVaTe | If configured well ofc ;) |
| 23:03.59 | hmuller | jim: stew: let's continue the continuing education of Harv, please |
| 23:04.08 | ``y7 | because she'd get frusterated if things were in different spots and give up |
| 23:04.13 | stew | hmuller: if you look at the makefile, you'll probably see a build-stamp target (a line starting with build-stamp:), and at the end of that target, it will probably have either "touch build-stamp" or "touch $@" which created the build-stamp file. if some other target depends on build-stamp, make knows it doesn't have to perform this step |
| 23:04.31 | omnil | ``y7, can you teach her to use a regular mail reader (like icedove)? |
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| 23:04.43 | ``y7 | negative, she doesn't remember anything |
| 23:04.49 | hmuller | stew: that's what I thought, so their should be a test for build-stamp elsewhere in the makefile? |
| 23:05.18 | AcTiVaTe | ``y7: autostart it when logging in X? |
| 23:05.21 | jim | hmuller: the simple part is: by what mechanism does make know that a file such as build-stamp is up to date? |
| 23:05.43 | h0ax | I'm looking to develop my website around a certian debian area ...any ideas ? |
| 23:05.44 | ``y7 | AcTiVaTe, but it has to look the same or else she'll get frusterated and giv eup |
| 23:05.48 | stew | hmuller: no, the way make works in general is that the targets are names of files to be created. so you are engineering a makefile to say, "in order to do this, i need there to be a build-stamp file (since the presense of that file tells me that x,y, and z already occured) |
| 23:05.51 | jim | stew: as you can see, he has made a request of me |
| 23:06.35 | AcTiVaTe | ``y7: Thunderbird/Icedove autostarting and pulling in emails is about similar to Outlook Express right? Assuming she is using that atm. |
| 23:07.01 | ``y7 | she's using hotmail.com |
| 23:07.05 | ``y7 | no outlook |
| 23:07.20 | hmuller | jim: stew: The makefile I am reviewing (didn't write) states: build : build-stamp, and all commands are under the build-stamp : section |
| 23:07.28 | AcTiVaTe | hotmail.com just works for me with my hotmail.com account |
| 23:07.38 | stew | hmuller: which makefile are you looking at? |
| 23:07.39 | jim | so, build depends on build-stamp |
| 23:07.54 | ``y7 | AcTiVaTe, i have her on debian 4.0 gnome, are you on the same os? |
| 23:07.56 | hmuller | stew: the one created for psad |
| 23:08.17 | stew | hmuller: probably somewhere else in the file you'll see a 'phony' line which contains 'build'? |
| 23:08.17 | jim | and the commands you see (each start with a literal tab char) are what make should do to bring "build" up to date |
| 23:08.23 | hmuller | jim: yes, there are no commands in build: , only in build-install: |
| 23:08.43 | AcTiVaTe | ``y7: Nope, using Mandriva here. But I do not believe that would matter tbh. |
| 23:08.54 | hmuller | stew: yes, .PHONY contains build |
| 23:08.54 | jim | ahh, so: the only thing necessary to bring build up to date is to bring build-stamp up to date |
| 23:08.56 | ``y7 | lemme try on my home debian machine |
| 23:08.59 | mmlj4 | mandriva-- |
| 23:09.04 | hmuller | jim: yes |
| 23:09.24 | hmuller | jim: so, I'm wondering what build-stamp is necessary for |
| 23:09.36 | stew | hmuller: phony tell the make program that it shouldn't actually be looking for a file named 'build' if it weren't this way, if there did happen to be a file named "build" then make would never actually run the 'build' target |
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| 23:09.54 | jim | but, what do you suppose is the indicator by which make sees whether build-stamp is up to date? do you see the build-stamp target? |
| 23:09.55 | AcTiVaTe | ``y7: As long as you don't press the "Sign Up" button for the Windows Live account but use the righthand form on the page it's A ok. |
| 23:10.03 | ``y7 | AcTiVaTe, it works on mine too. i installed hers with the same disc that i used for mine. any ideas? |
| 23:10.09 | stew | hmuller: this is all really becuase make is engineered around 'tell me what files you need, tell me what to do to make the files' |
| 23:10.31 | AcTiVaTe | ``y7: But then again, hearing what state yer grandma is in it's very understandable she's having probs. |
| 23:10.32 | ``y7 | AcTiVaTe, maybe that's what she used and i haven't gone back far enough |
| 23:10.50 | ``y7 | well she has an indian dude calling her at night waking her up to ask for money :( |
| 23:10.50 | jim | hint: it's not just file existance, but it's equally as simple as that |
| 23:10.54 | ``y7 | i'm just trying to do what i can |
| 23:11.57 | stew | jim: its just file existence |
| 23:11.59 | nse | stew! I am installing this: mysql-server apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql php5 phpmyadmin for running a home web server with Apache, MySQL and PHP. is there anything missing? |
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| 23:12.50 | stew | nse: not for what you've told me so far |
| 23:13.11 | nse | stew: any suggestions? |
| 23:13.12 | h0ax | I'm looking to develop my website around a certian debian area ...any ideas ? |
| 23:13.26 | stew | nse: for what? |
| 23:13.36 | ``y7 | AcTiVaTe, i tried logging out and relogging in, the same way i did on my macine and it brought me back to the windows live screen. i installed hers with the same disc i used on mine and with the same packages and whatnot, yet hers doesn't work. her computer isn't as new as mine, could that have anything to do with it? |
| 23:13.51 | nse | stew: Ok, I think that is fine. |
| 23:14.19 | jim | nse: unless you tell him precisely what you want, how can he know what to suggest? |
| 23:15.01 | nse | jim: Ok, fine. I'll take a look at those running! |
| 23:15.18 | jim | do you have an existing site? |
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| 23:15.54 | nse | Yes, not online though |
| 23:16.48 | jim | then the requirements of that site would tell you what needs you have to fulfill to get the site up |
| 23:17.48 | jim | you can either go from that standpoint (install what it needs before trying to run it) or try to start the site and see what problems come up |
| 23:18.23 | nse | jim: Ok, let me tell you what I have. The HTML and CSS thing about my website is done. I have a form with three fields to fill the database but I don't know how to build this database nor how to actually make the comment avaliable. I know some PHP and I do have experience with programming languages |
| 23:18.30 | jim | well hold on... |
| 23:18.41 | nse | I think now it's time use the second optiom |
| 23:18.48 | jim | I'm not available to debug your site |
| 23:19.18 | jim | but I was available to let you know how you might proceed, hopefully it gets you one step closer |
| 23:19.33 | nse | Yes it does, I am sure |
| 23:19.38 | nse | well.. |
| 23:19.41 | stew | nse: you are going to have to ask more specific questions. |
| 23:19.46 | nse | when the site is done I'll show it to you! |
| 23:19.55 | nse | stew: Ok. |
| 23:20.43 | jim | I'm not saying no one is willing to help, but so far there's no additional information (as said before: how can he know without you expressing the site's specific needs) |
| 23:20.43 | stew | nse: and if they are really questions about "how do i do this in php" instead of "how do i setup php in debian" then your questions are probably better suited for ##php |
| 23:21.08 | nse | Ok, fine! I understand |
| 23:21.21 | jim | and #mysql too, given you have some database concerns as well |
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| 23:23.03 | gonzaloaf_work | !xmms |
| 23:23.03 | dpkg | [xmms] the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms/news/20080302T105714Z.html For alternatives, look at xmms2, rhythmbox, amarok, exaile, songbird, quod libet ... see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html for removal reasons |
| 23:24.05 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, is xmms2 a fork of xmms? |
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| 23:24.57 | john___ | is there something funny about the default mysql setup in lenny? |
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| 23:25.14 | john___ | eg - it won't let you access your databases |
| 23:25.15 | zomgoblinz | um, question |
| 23:25.24 | zomgoblinz | apt-get remove kernel-image |
| 23:25.29 | zomgoblinz | does this reboot or something |
| 23:25.30 | zomgoblinz | after? |
| 23:25.40 | john___ | no, but it might suggest you should |
| 23:25.55 | zomgoblinz | hmm |
| 23:26.01 | zomgoblinz | device is not pingable now |
| 23:26.10 | zomgoblinz | and it was an accidental selection |
| 23:26.33 | nick01 | I have 2 network cards both configured but one of them eth0 is not started at boot- how do I get that to happen ? :| |
| 23:27.04 | ``y7 | AcTiVaTe, she had a cookie that kept bringing her back to the windows live setup. i deleted that and everything works fine now. thank you for all of your help |
| 23:27.09 | abrotman | zomgoblinz: did you remove the kernel you were running ? |
| 23:27.19 | abrotman | nick01: man 5 interfaces |
| 23:27.22 | zomgoblinz | abrotman, yeah... i think it did |
| 23:27.28 | abrotman | zomgoblinz: bad |
| 23:27.32 | jim | nick01: in /etc/network/interfaces there would be "auto eth0" line to tell it to start eth0 on boot |
| 23:27.37 | zomgoblinz | abrotman, yeah, come to realize that |
| 23:27.41 | AcTiVaTe | ``y7: Your welcome =) glad her life is a bit easier again ;) |
| 23:27.48 | jim | man 5 interfaces for details |
| 23:27.54 | zomgoblinz | abrotman, wouldn't it just delete the files and not pull stuff out? |
| 23:27.57 | zomgoblinz | hmm |
| 23:28.06 | abrotman | uh |
| 23:28.07 | streuner | Can someone paste /boot/grub/default into paste.debian.net ? |
| 23:28.07 | nick01 | abrotman: jim tks |
| 23:28.11 | zomgoblinz | and i only wanted to remove a package that wasnt in use |
| 23:28.12 | zomgoblinz | gay |
| 23:29.20 | nick01 | jim: even for eth1 there's only allow-hotplug eth1 no auto eth1 |
| 23:29.21 | jim | you're gay? why would you tell us that? |
| 23:29.28 | stew | zomgoblinz: please don't use the word 'gay' as a derrogatory adjective. it is offensive to some |
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| 23:29.38 | streuner | Is /boot/grub/default empty? |
| 23:29.50 | zomgoblinz | stew, it means happy |
| 23:30.08 | jim | zomgoblinz: not the way you meant it :P |
| 23:30.09 | nick01 | lol |
| 23:30.10 | stew | zomgoblinz: that is not how you used it |
| 23:30.10 | markybob | dumbass <-- that means dumbass |
| 23:30.22 | zomgoblinz | so if they want to take it as something that is not in the dictionary as a definition then that is their choice |
| 23:30.35 | zomgoblinz | I am not the one who defines the word |
| 23:30.38 | zomgoblinz | they interpret |
| 23:30.40 | jim | zomgoblinz: as that is the choice you made :) |
| 23:30.42 | Tramp | streuner: no: http://rafb.net/p/JYJkst42.html |
| 23:30.53 | stew | zomgoblinz: stop using it. and drop this discussion |
| 23:31.05 | zomgoblinz | I haven't used it again, have I? |
| 23:31.10 | zomgoblinz | so i do not see the issue |
| 23:31.20 | Tramp | streuner: the "0" is the index of (my) last successfully booted kernel (index as in menu.lst) |
| 23:31.47 | streuner | Tramp: thanks |
| 23:32.07 | Tramp | yw |
| 23:36.06 | zomgoblinz | what is the easiest way to recover from an apt-get remove kernel-image |
| 23:36.17 | mentor | apt-get install kernel-image |
| 23:36.32 | zomgoblinz | mentor, box is remote and unreachable |
| 23:36.37 | zomgoblinz | as soon as I did that command |
| 23:36.41 | zomgoblinz | it stopped being pingable |
| 23:36.44 | Saar | oops |
| 23:36.52 | zomgoblinz | yeah |
| 23:36.53 | scorche|sh | no local console access? |
| 23:36.54 | zomgoblinz | big oops |
| 23:36.56 | Saar | go there and boot using a CD |
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| 23:37.10 | zomgoblinz | Saar, can I chroot it? |
| 23:37.19 | zomgoblinz | Saar, and just apt-get it back |
| 23:37.26 | Saar | i would think so |
| 23:37.31 | mentor | zomgoblinz: That command shouldn't kill things until like... a reboot or something |
| 23:37.32 | zomgoblinz | i hope so |
| 23:37.39 | Saar | if it has more than 1 kernel boot the old kernel |
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| 23:37.43 | zomgoblinz | mentor, I thought that too..... |
| 23:37.46 | zomgoblinz | so weird |
| 23:37.52 | Saar | well |
| 23:37.54 | mentor | zomgoblinz: Yes. The Debian installer will do |
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| 23:38.03 | Saar | i have done it before and it kinda messed up the system |
| 23:38.28 | snowflake | i have a question |
| 23:38.29 | snowflake | ! |
| 23:38.30 | Saar | i forgot how but there are 3 warnings b4 removing it |
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| 23:38.42 | mentor | zomgoblinz: Is the box in a managed facility? |
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| 23:38.55 | mentor | snowflake: Ask it and see if we have answers! |
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| 23:39.00 | Saar | i wonder what's worse removing the running kernel or libc, with the latter you can't run any commands :-( |
| 23:39.00 | snowflake | I use sid, and I have an issue with gcc-4.3-base, anyone has problems with that package too? |
| 23:39.34 | Saar | zomgoblinz: how far are you from the box... I'd drive to it with a knoppix CD |
| 23:39.39 | zomgoblinz | mentor, no |
| 23:39.48 | zomgoblinz | Saar, I am in Iraq |
| 23:39.52 | snowflake | it doesn't let me install gnome-core and gnome-desktop-environment and a package called libffi4, that I need for several packages like gedit and others |
| 23:39.52 | zomgoblinz | boss is picking it up |
| 23:39.56 | zomgoblinz | and dropping it off to me |
| 23:39.59 | Saar | ok |
| 23:40.11 | Saar | well as long as you have physical access it should be very easy |
| 23:40.27 | Saar | if it has an old kernel boot that and apt-get the removed one |
| 23:40.47 | mentor | zomgoblinz: One presumes that means that the box is not in Iraq then? |
| 23:40.48 | zomgoblinz | im just wondering what caused it to drop |
| 23:40.50 | Saar | otherwise use knoppix or so and apt-get the kernel, using chroot I guess |
| 23:41.00 | zomgoblinz | mentor, its here in Iraq with me |
| 23:41.01 | zomgoblinz | :) |
| 23:41.04 | abrotman | snowflake: you've run aptitude update today? |
| 23:41.18 | snowflake | nope let me see |
| 23:41.18 | abrotman | zomgoblinz: so walk over and smack it |
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| 23:41.29 | zomgoblinz | abrotman, heh i wish |
| 23:41.32 | Saar | well i am not sure but i remember things to become unavailable, likle networking, luckily it was a local box and i did it on purpose to see |
| 23:41.36 | mentor | zomgoblinz: Go and look at the console. |
| 23:41.44 | abrotman | mentor: i bet it's blinking :) |
| 23:41.51 | zomgoblinz | boss is grabbing |
| 23:41.56 | zomgoblinz | and telling me how much he hates me |
| 23:41.57 | zomgoblinz | :D |
| 23:42.10 | Saar | are you iraqi or from the USA? |
| 23:42.16 | snowflake | abrotman the problem it's solved :) |
| 23:42.17 | zomgoblinz | usa |
| 23:42.17 | snowflake | thanks |
| 23:42.21 | zomgoblinz | army |
| 23:42.22 | zomgoblinz | anyhow |
| 23:42.23 | zomgoblinz | brb |
| 23:42.25 | abrotman | snowflake: yay? |
| 23:42.30 | snowflake | yeah |
| 23:42.39 | Saar | maybe Iraqis using debian is one of the few good things coming out of the USA for them :-| |
| 23:42.53 | Saar | the army uses debian... hm |
| 23:42.55 | Gm4n | anyone know a commandline ftp client that supports ssl/tls? |
| 23:43.08 | Saar | sftp? |
| 23:43.09 | AcTiVaTe | ncftp must surely |
| 23:43.11 | snowflake | i think it was my first problem with sid since i use it, and that's really long ago |
| 23:43.14 | snowflake | so cool |
| 23:43.15 | snowflake | :) |
| 23:43.23 | snowflake | cowboys use debian too |
| 23:43.23 | mentor | I thing it's probably quite low on the scale of things to worry about |
| 23:43.38 | Saar | i dont worry |
| 23:43.48 | Saar | it's good to see the army has a bit of sense |
| 23:43.55 | snowflake | ok bud's, thank's for the help, bye! |
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| 23:43.58 | Gm4n | saar: sftp won't do it, it's just for ssl file transfers |
| 23:43.59 | mentor | I meant for the peopel in Iraq |
| 23:44.03 | Saar | i thought they're all one huge windoze house |
| 23:44.20 | Saar | Gm4n: oh |
| 23:44.32 | Saar | mentor: right |
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| 23:45.01 | nse | oops a problem happened during the download: Err http://ftp.br.debian.org testing/main libapr1 1.2.12-1 not found. and the other packages that I am installing depend on this one. what must I do now? |
| 23:45.02 | Gm4n | AcTiVaTe: ncftp does not have any support for SSL |
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| 23:48.14 | Dinosaur | /usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Locale/gettext/gettext.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr |
| 23:48.22 | nse | Maybe be this can be a real problem If I am trying to run a webserver. |
| 23:48.25 | Dinosaur | anyone else had this problem lately with unstable? |
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| 23:49.40 | AcTiVaTe | Gm4n: http://freshmeat.net/projects/tlswrap/ |
| 23:49.51 | AcTiVaTe | Gm4n: Then you can use ncftp ;) |
| 23:50.03 | Gm4n | ooh, spiffy |
| 23:50.07 | Gm4n | thanks, AcTiVaTe :) |
| 23:50.07 | abrotman | Gm4n: apt-cache search ftp ssl .. oddly .. ftp-ssl |
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| 23:50.23 | AcTiVaTe | Yer welcome ;) |
| 23:50.32 | Gm4n | abrotman: yeah, I just found that on my own. I didn't realize that was a package name, instead of a description of the protocol |
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| 23:50.54 | Dinosaur | has anyone else been having gettext problems with upgrading and installing packages due to the Perl package being faulty? |
| 23:51.24 | stew | Dinosaur: you realize we are right in the middle of a major perl transition, right? |
| 23:51.50 | AcTiVaTe | Gm4n: And also http://lftp.yar.ru/desc.html is an option |
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| 23:52.10 | Gm4n | AcTiVaTe: lftp gave me a huge headache, and I didn't manage to even connect :( |
| 23:52.11 | abrotman | stew: you say that like it matters .. yeesh |
| 23:52.35 | AcTiVaTe | Gm4n: Thx for the headsup. Now I can avoid it ;) |
| 23:53.40 | stew | abrotman: what do i know? i don't run unstable :) |
| 23:54.11 | Dinosaur | stew: it certainly seems like it. |
| 23:55.03 | Dinosaur | be nice if there was a type of wayback machine so you could set your apt sources.list to a particular date and time, and it would install and update only packages that were available at that time. I know the archives exist. |
| 23:55.08 | abrotman | stew: /msg dpkg sid upgrade :) |
| 23:55.11 | Dinosaur | be nice for doing a rollback. |
| 23:55.22 | stew | Dinosaur: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 23:56.35 | Dinosaur | thanks stew. I'm a bit shocked that our base install tools depend on perl. |
| 23:56.47 | Dinosaur | I thought Culus rewrote everything in C. |
| 23:56.50 | stew | Dinosaur: debconf is perl |
| 23:56.59 | Dinosaur | oh. debconf. the new stuff. |
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| 23:57.49 | netdaemon | i'm no fan of perl =\ |
| 23:57.57 | netdaemon | unless i'm just looking at the wrong docs... |
| 23:58.08 | Joelito | is there a way to reboot nor shutdown the machine without admin pass? |
| 23:58.26 | Wyzard | Joelito: Press the power button |
| 23:58.35 | netdaemon | Joelito, ctrl-alt-del |
| 23:58.36 | abrotman | shutdown.allow |
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| 23:58.42 | Dinosaur | if we are going to use perl, we should just use newlisp instead. |
| 23:58.44 | Joelito | Wyzord: WEll..hehe, I mean for command line |
| 23:58.47 | nse | It's done. It did: the installation is over - Oh my God |
| 23:58.50 | Dinosaur | the power of perl, the simplicity of lisp. |
| 23:59.02 | beardy | Joelito: Not in a nice way. What abrotman said, but root needs to edit it. |
| 23:59.04 | Wyzard | Joelito: ctrl-alt-delete at the system console like netdaemon said |
| 23:59.08 | cizzi | \amethyst hey how are you? |
| 23:59.18 | Wyzard | Joelito: From a remote login, no, you can't |
| 23:59.31 | jim | Dinosaur: if you can get a thousand maints (an -old- number) to agree on changing something that close to the core, more power to ya |
| 23:59.37 | abrotman | sudo and shutdown.allow |
| 23:59.58 | Wyzard | both of which require root to set up |
