| 00:00.10 | FearedBliss | nice |
| 00:00.15 | FearedBliss | btw |
| 00:00.19 | FearedBliss | i have debian running on my ibook |
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| 00:00.28 | NetEcho | you won't need to compile it |
| 00:00.33 | FearedBliss | and my sound isnt working even after alsa-base and alsaconf have been configured |
| 00:00.39 | NetEcho | I take it that you'll need mysql? |
| 00:00.42 | FearedBliss | yea |
| 00:00.46 | FearedBliss | php as well |
| 00:00.53 | NetEcho | apt-get install apache2 php5 mysql |
| 00:00.59 | NetEcho | that should do it |
| 00:01.26 | FearedBliss | would everything interact? |
| 00:01.33 | NetEcho | they should |
| 00:01.36 | FearedBliss | like apache automatically detecting sql and php |
| 00:01.40 | FearedBliss | on windows its libmysql.dll |
| 00:02.01 | NetEcho | under linux SQL isn't that complicated for apache |
| 00:02.08 | NetEcho | php may get to be a hassel but it worked for me |
| 00:02.21 | pipeline | what |
| 00:02.28 | pipeline | why would apache automatically detect an sql client |
| 00:02.29 | FearedBliss | hey what about the sound problems |
| 00:02.30 | pipeline | it's a web server |
| 00:02.33 | pipeline | it has nothing to do with your database |
| 00:02.35 | FearedBliss | think you can help me with that ? |
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| 00:02.46 | NetEcho | pipeline under windows it needs the dll to actually interact with SQL |
| 00:02.53 | FearedBliss | yup |
| 00:02.56 | pipeline | NetEcho: It doesn't interact with SQL, jackass. It's a web server. |
| 00:03.02 | pipeline | jesus, why do I even come here |
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| 00:03.04 | NetEcho | pipeline the code does |
| 00:03.12 | NetEcho | some people are complete morons |
| 00:03.24 | NetEcho | FearedBliss it should have mysql support compiled in |
| 00:03.38 | FearedBliss | alright |
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| 00:04.33 | FearedBliss | i dont use apt-get since aptitude is better |
| 00:04.42 | NetEcho | !aptitude |
| 00:04.42 | FearedBliss | sudo aptitude install apache2 php5 mysql should do |
| 00:04.42 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 00:04.50 | NetEcho | hrm what was the command |
| 00:04.54 | FearedBliss | yea aptitude remembers depedencys |
| 00:04.57 | NetEcho | there is some issues with aptitude |
| 00:05.04 | NetEcho | !why not aptitude |
| 00:05.05 | dpkg | aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. |
| 00:05.19 | FearedBliss | wow theres debates everywhere |
| 00:05.26 | FearedBliss | some ppl say apt-get is better some say aptitude is |
| 00:05.33 | NetEcho | aptitude is nice |
| 00:05.35 | NetEcho | just be careful |
| 00:05.42 | Wyzard | aptitude also has many features which other APT frontends to not have |
| 00:05.57 | FearedBliss | i use aptitude for everything |
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| 00:07.16 | netdaemon | ++aptitude here |
| 00:07.52 | NetEcho | I'm impartial |
| 00:08.00 | NetEcho | I've used aptitude before too |
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| 00:09.06 | FearedBliss | so what about that sound problem ? |
| 00:09.10 | FearedBliss | i have a ibook g3 |
| 00:09.17 | FearedBliss | i loaded snd-powermac but it doesnt work |
| 00:09.20 | NetEcho | hey stew does that pipeline guy always come in here and try to cause shit? |
| 00:09.42 | stew | NetEcho: no. and in the future. please avoid name calling |
| 00:10.16 | NetEcho | stew sorry.. he had already left so I saw no harm in it |
| 00:10.26 | stew | NetEcho: please avoid it in the future |
| 00:10.32 | stew | FearedBliss: you also need libapache2-mod-php5 and php5-mysql |
| 00:10.34 | NetEcho | stew: no problem |
| 00:10.55 | FearedBliss | stew, alright |
| 00:10.57 | NetEcho | sorry about that |
| 00:11.20 | FearedBliss | stew, do you know how i can fix my sound problem on iBook G3 running Debian Sid |
| 00:11.26 | FearedBliss | alsa-base installed |
| 00:11.35 | stew | FearedBliss: does alsaconf detect the card? |
| 00:11.35 | FearedBliss | alsaconf has been executed |
| 00:11.38 | FearedBliss | yea |
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| 00:11.57 | stew | FearedBliss: what is the problem exactly? |
| 00:11.58 | FearedBliss | i also added snd-powermac to /etc/modules |
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| 00:12.08 | FearedBliss | well when i click the volume manager |
| 00:12.18 | FearedBliss | it says something about not finding gstreamer plugin or a sound card |
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| 00:12.36 | stew | FearedBliss: can you play sounds using aplay from the command line? |
| 00:12.49 | FearedBliss | havent tried that |
| 00:12.51 | FearedBliss | whats the command |
| 00:12.58 | stew | FearedBliss: aplay |
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| 00:13.04 | FearedBliss | 1 sec |
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| 00:13.43 | FearedBliss | oh and my last problem besides debian not supporting wpa on my airport card ( wpa works in ubuntu 8.04 beta ) is that network-manager-gnome doesnt work |
| 00:13.54 | orudie | anyone knows any similar applications like ntop ? |
| 00:14.01 | abrotman | jnettop |
| 00:14.06 | abrotman | depending what you want to do wiht it |
| 00:14.29 | user999 | did you try using ndiswrapper FearedBliss ? |
| 00:14.45 | FearedBliss | its a airport card on a ibook |
| 00:14.46 | user999 | my card has support in the kernel but it seems partly broken, broken enough to not work at least |
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| 00:14.48 | FearedBliss | no ndiswrapper driver |
| 00:14.55 | FearedBliss | + my card is detected and works with WEP |
| 00:15.01 | FearedBliss | im talking about getting WPA to work |
| 00:15.02 | orudie | just get statistics of different protocls on my linux box |
| 00:15.05 | user999 | hmm, so i guess waiting will pay off |
| 00:15.13 | stew | FearedBliss: check the bts for wpa-supplicant and network-manager |
| 00:15.21 | FearedBliss | bts ? |
| 00:15.24 | stew | !bts |
| 00:15.24 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 00:15.50 | stew | FearedBliss: have you tried running wpa_supplicant aside from network-manager? |
| 00:15.53 | user999 | you'll need wpa-supplicant no matter what as i understand it |
| 00:15.55 | FearedBliss | nope |
| 00:15.58 | user999 | is that correct stew? |
| 00:16.05 | FearedBliss | aplay - cannot find card '0' |
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| 00:16.21 | stew | user999: he must have it if he is using network-manager |
| 00:16.34 | stew | FearedBliss: is the driver for your card loaded now? |
| 00:16.40 | FearedBliss | im not using network-manager to connect |
| 00:16.42 | FearedBliss | i made a script |
| 00:16.51 | FearedBliss | iwconfig eth0 essid blah key aaaaa... |
| 00:16.53 | FearedBliss | dhclient eth0 |
| 00:16.57 | stew | FearedBliss: if you aren't using network-manager, i wouldn't expect network-manager-gnome to work |
| 00:17.04 | FearedBliss | lol |
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| 00:17.23 | user999 | that's what i do with mine FearedBliss, i call wpa_supplicant from the script |
| 00:17.41 | FearedBliss | stew, i just did sudo aptitude install network-manager and nothing was found |
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| 00:18.02 | user999 | have you tried using wpasupplicant bliss? |
| 00:18.07 | stew | FearedBliss: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 00:18.11 | FearedBliss | when i run nm-applet i get <WARNING **:<WARN> nma_dbus_init() : could not acquire it's service. |
| 00:18.33 | FearedBliss | its on another comp so ill post it in rtfb. |
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| 00:18.58 | stew | FearedBliss: well if nm-applet is installed, then network-manager is already installed |
| 00:19.15 | FearedBliss | yea i did sudo aptitude install network-manager-gnome |
| 00:19.18 | FearedBliss | it doesnt open though |
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| 00:20.03 | FearedBliss | msg dpkg pastebin isnt a commad |
| 00:20.06 | FearedBliss | command* |
| 00:20.10 | stew | FearedBliss: its an irc command |
| 00:20.42 | FearedBliss | what am i support to use that for since the problem is on my ibook |
| 00:21.13 | stew | FearedBliss: for showing us the error that you get when running "aptitude install network-manager" |
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| 00:24.08 | DustyBin | what kind of places is debian used in the real world? |
| 00:24.34 | FearedBliss-iBoo | http://rafb.net/p/reDARx53.html |
| 00:24.37 | DustyBin | does NASA use debian? |
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| 00:25.24 | user999 | Your search - "does nasa use debian" - did not match any documents. |
| 00:25.25 | stew | FearedBliss-iBoo: oh, there is no error, and it doesn't say that "nothing was found" |
| 00:25.33 | stew | DustyBin: you'd have to ask them |
| 00:25.41 | FearedBliss | watch this |
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| 00:26.23 | DustyBin | i rememeber reading a high profile weather forcast company switched over to debian not long ago |
| 00:26.24 | sier | http://www.nren.nasa.gov/tcp_tuning.html |
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| 00:26.56 | FearedBliss-iBoo | http://rafb.net/p/dxrvgG85.html |
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| 00:27.51 | stew | 20:16 < stew> FearedBliss: is the driver for your card loaded now? |
| 00:28.14 | FearedBliss | how do i check ? lsmod | grep snd ? |
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| 00:28.37 | stew | FearedBliss: yes |
| 00:28.43 | FearedBliss | i do get results |
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| 00:29.03 | stew | FearedBliss: is one of those results your sound driver? |
| 00:29.09 | FearedBliss | yea |
| 00:29.15 | FearedBliss | snd+powermac 48416 0 |
| 00:29.22 | stew | FearedBliss: show us what is in /proc/asound/cards |
| 00:29.41 | abrotman | wait .. macs have sound cards? |
| 00:29.46 | FearedBliss | .. |
| 00:29.50 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:29.52 | user999 | i thought they just fit in manilla envelopes |
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| 00:30.51 | FearedBliss-iBoo | http://rafb.net/p/60Fb6B27.html |
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| 00:33.49 | stew | FearedBliss-iBoo: does aplay work as root? |
| 00:34.09 | FearedBliss | nope |
| 00:34.11 | FearedBliss | same message |
| 00:34.18 | FearedBliss | looks like its not a group error |
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| 00:36.31 | stew | FearedBliss: do you have e /etc/asoundrc or ~/.asoundrc ? |
| 00:36.57 | FearedBliss | none |
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| 00:38.11 | WormFood | What is the trick to making sound work with flash? Am I praying to the wrong god, or sacrificing the wrong animals? |
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| 00:38.41 | FearedBliss | both |
| 00:38.46 | DustyBin | lol |
| 00:39.07 | DustyBin | thinks this channel is invested with ultra geeks |
| 00:39.37 | stew | WormFood: modprobe snd-pcm-oss, and restart whatever you were trying to use |
| 00:39.54 | WormFood | I killed esd in the hopes that may "fix" the problem, but now I can't start esd again...it says "/dev/dsp: Device or resource busy", but lsof shows nothing accessing /dev/dsp |
| 00:40.24 | FearedBliss | oh btw |
| 00:40.35 | FearedBliss | i dont have /dev/dsp or /dev/audio or any audio /dev/'s |
| 00:40.45 | WormFood | stew, snd_pcm_oss is already loaded |
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| 00:42.58 | WormFood | so I unloaded snd-pcm-oss, and reloaded it....but of course that didn't help (I didn't expect it to help) |
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| 00:43.14 | stew | FearedBliss: you wouldn't have /dev/dsp until you load snd-pcm-oss, i don't know what /dev/audio is, you should have /dev/snd, do you not have /dev/snd? |
| 00:43.19 | dvs | FearedBliss: you don't have an actual kernel sound driver loaded |
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| 00:43.33 | dvs | oh wait, powermac, sorry |
| 00:43.48 | FearedBliss | nope no /dev/snd |
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| 00:43.55 | stew | WormFood: does "fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/*" return any pids? if so they are what is preventing esd. but might be better off without it |
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| 00:44.04 | stew | FearedBliss: what does "uname -r" return? |
| 00:44.11 | webPragmatist | any of you who use screen know how to tile different sessions? |
| 00:44.20 | webPragmatist | or if it's possible |
| 00:44.23 | FearedBliss | 2.6.25-1-powerpc |
| 00:44.31 | FearedBliss | i mean |
| 00:44.33 | FearedBliss | .24 |
| 00:44.34 | FearedBliss | lol |
| 00:44.35 | vasco | hello |
| 00:44.38 | stew | FearedBliss: is udevd running? |
| 00:44.43 | vasco | i want to create a new partition |
| 00:44.52 | vasco | can i use fdisk for minimize one partition? |
| 00:44.59 | FearedBliss | how i check that ps -a | grep udev? |
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| 00:45.03 | abrotman | webPragmatist: i thought the man page covered this |
| 00:45.06 | vasco | and create another with the new space free |
| 00:45.22 | webPragmatist | abrotman: hrm ok i will look again |
| 00:45.22 | WormFood | yes stew, it returns stuff...thanks |
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| 00:46.57 | dvs | FearedBliss: ps -aux | grep udev |
| 00:47.26 | FearedBliss | first it says Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? |
| 00:47.28 | FearedBliss | then it says |
| 00:47.51 | FearedBliss | jon 2351 0.0 0.1 3260 796 pts/0 S+ 20:47 0:00 grep udev |
| 00:48.09 | abrotman | webPragmatist: or maybe it needed a patch |
| 00:48.21 | dvs | FearedBliss: then it's not running. |
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| 00:49.06 | FearedBliss | k |
| 00:49.18 | prolix | i'm having some difficulties getting debian to recognize the integrated wireless component on my intel mobile gl960 chipset. i'm running debian etch with the 2.6.22 kernel and i've downloaded and installed the rtl8185 driver, but to no avail. |
| 00:49.36 | stew | FearedBliss: do you have a reason for avoiding udev? |
| 00:49.46 | FearedBliss | i dont know what is udev |
| 00:49.54 | stew | FearedBliss: is there a reason you are using unstable? |
| 00:49.57 | FearedBliss | yes |
| 00:49.59 | FearedBliss | newer packages |
| 00:50.16 | stew | FearedBliss: the reason your sound isn't working is that you are missing /dev entries |
| 00:50.30 | FearedBliss | alright i can deal with that |
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| 00:50.42 | stew | FearedBliss: you should consider running stable or testing |
| 00:50.51 | FearedBliss | isnt testing and sid same thing ? |
| 00:50.56 | stew | FearedBliss: no |
| 00:51.02 | FearedBliss | explain |
| 00:51.12 | stew | FearedBliss: http://debian.org/releases |
| 00:51.52 | dvs | FearedBliss: testing packages goes through a two to ten day delay |
| 00:52.00 | stew | or more |
| 00:52.04 | FearedBliss | alright |
| 00:52.08 | prolix | iwconfig doesn't even list a wireless component |
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| 00:52.24 | FearedBliss | so umm just switch repos ? or would i need a clean install ? |
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| 00:52.54 | dvs | FearedBliss: you can switch repos but you have to wait until the newer packages trickle down into testing. |
| 00:52.55 | WormFood | fuckin iceape has /dev/pcm open, but I still don't get any sound in flash |
| 00:53.05 | FearedBliss | alright |
| 00:53.16 | FearedBliss | what about the nm-applet problem and wpa ? |
| 00:53.21 | FearedBliss | i dont know if it's supported in debian |
| 00:53.30 | FearedBliss | Original Airport 802.11b ( Orinoco Chipset ) |
| 00:53.38 | FearedBliss | WPA works in Ubuntu 8.04 Beta |
| 00:53.46 | FearedBliss | Alpha 6 to be specific |
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| 00:56.08 | FearedBliss | also |
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| 00:56.19 | FearedBliss | i use full-upgrade cause i dont want any dependency hell problems |
| 00:56.22 | FearedBliss | i still get it though .. |
| 00:56.27 | FearedBliss | do you recommend safe-upgrad ? |
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| 00:56.50 | stew | FearedBliss: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 00:57.53 | FearedBliss | thanks |
| 00:58.09 | FearedBliss | i did sudo aptitude update after changing repos to testing "testing main contrib non-free" |
| 00:58.36 | FearedBliss | it says "there are now 183 new [+183]" but i cant update.. |
| 00:58.50 | FearedBliss | if i try full-upgrade & dist-upgrade it says 0 packages found |
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| 00:59.37 | msan | FearedBliss, that's ok. I'm not sure what its talking abotu when it says that, but I get it all the time. |
| 00:59.41 | vvd | new isnt updateable |
| 01:00.03 | vvd | its packages not seen before |
| 01:00.04 | daedra | arrgh |
| 01:00.06 | msan | ahh .. there are 183 new packages. |
| 01:00.08 | FearedBliss | hmm looks like switching to testing wont fix my problem since my system is fully updated to sid packages |
| 01:00.16 | icesword | !etch->lenny |
| 01:00.16 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs> and lenny release notes. Edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 01:00.20 | msan | vvd: thanks |
| 01:00.27 | daedra | getting a perl interpreter onto windows is painful |
| 01:00.29 | stew | FearedBliss: debian doesn't provide a way to downgrade automatically |
| 01:00.43 | icesword | hehe |
| 01:00.57 | FearedBliss | so that means it will downgrade but not now ? |
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| 01:01.17 | daedra | first it doesn't run from console, then you have to find some tool for chmod, then it can write to the file because you're on reduced permissions |
| 01:01.25 | vvd | msan: np :D |
| 01:01.36 | jim | FearedBliss: debian developers refuse to support downgrades. How clear would you like that statement made? |
| 01:01.44 | stew | FearedBliss: it means it won't downgrade any packages unless you tell it to explicitly. and if you do, its possible that things break |
| 01:01.54 | daedra | and geany doesn't launch perl in windows |
| 01:01.57 | daedra | :( |
| 01:02.00 | prolix | ugh |
| 01:02.02 | stew | daedra: wrong channel |
| 01:02.05 | jim | maybe they work with some (very simple) packages, but not others |
| 01:02.05 | FearedBliss | k |
| 01:02.19 | daedra | stew: oh oops |
| 01:03.05 | msan | FearedBliss: you could try pinning. That might work somewhat. |
| 01:03.18 | jim | and the reason (some) downgrades won't work is debian developers made a conscious decision to not support that. |
| 01:03.23 | jim | so: |
| 01:03.39 | jim | if you want to downgrade, back up your entire storage. |
| 01:04.26 | FearedBliss | nothing to backup |
| 01:04.26 | FearedBliss | lol |
| 01:04.31 | jim | err, if you ever want to be able to downgrade to a particular version, back up that version |
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| 01:04.38 | FearedBliss | its just a laptop to write stuff and surf web |
| 01:04.53 | FearedBliss | i havent found a OS good enough for me to actually save stuff on it |
| 01:04.55 | jim | and by the way, if you don't back up stuff, losing it is easier |
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| 01:05.08 | jim | maybe you'll have to keep looking... |
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| 01:05.55 | jim | write your own os, maybe that will be good enough in 20 years |
| 01:06.06 | FearedBliss | LOL |
| 01:06.17 | FearedBliss | that would be a fun experience actually |
| 01:06.21 | jim | hey, linus did it... and it's under 20 years |
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| 01:06.27 | jim | exactly |
| 01:06.32 | jim | it could be fun |
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| 01:06.38 | FearedBliss | maybe radically remodify the linux kernel |
| 01:06.59 | FearedBliss | take gnome and change it like crazy |
| 01:07.03 | FearedBliss | like Finder |
| 01:07.04 | Baloo | They tried that before Linux. Nobody uses BSD anymore. *duck* |
| 01:07.14 | jim | well I thought we were talking about you writing your own os... but that's ok, since linux is free software you could do that |
| 01:07.30 | FearedBliss | lol jim |
| 01:07.35 | FearedBliss | easier to take stuff |
| 01:07.40 | jim | oic. |
| 01:07.41 | FearedBliss | Linux kernel would be a good base |
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| 01:07.59 | FearedBliss | while doing that .. you can fix everything in the kernel and meet up with UNIX standards |
| 01:08.04 | jim | well good luck with that and all... |
| 01:08.11 | FearedBliss | never going to happen |
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| 01:08.30 | jim | like you said, it's easier for you to take stuff |
| 01:08.38 | FearedBliss | yea but im good.. |
| 01:08.48 | jim | at taking stuff? |
| 01:08.55 | FearedBliss | no .. im good with my mac |
| 01:09.46 | Baloo | wonders if anybody actually uses Hurd or if it's an academic thing like NachOS |
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| 01:10.34 | spacemonkey|lapt | how do i load a certain WM from TTY? |
| 01:10.58 | Baloo | spacemonkey|lapt: Type it's name. You'll probably want to amp it off. |
| 01:11.14 | FearedBliss | is Hurd like GNU/Darwin ? |
| 01:11.44 | Baloo | No, I'm pretty sure I've met a Darwin user before. |
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| 01:12.19 | prolix | i use darwin |
| 01:12.27 | prolix | well, os x |
| 01:12.30 | Baloo | And it's not a GNU thing. |
| 01:12.42 | Baloo | I can't find it on gnu.org at least. |
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| 01:13.09 | ehird | darwin=apple's os x kernel |
| 01:13.12 | ehird | open source |
| 01:13.16 | ehird | based on {net,free}bsd |
| 01:13.49 | Stroganoff | http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ |
| 01:13.56 | FearedBliss | i was going to run darwin on my ibook since my ibook is a apple product |
| 01:14.01 | FearedBliss | i was hoping to get full support |
| 01:14.08 | prolix | my wireless connectivity is suffering from a major bout of user error |
| 01:14.13 | FearedBliss | after that i could install gnu/darwin and get X11 up with full support from the kernel |
| 01:14.21 | n3kl | Can anyone tell me if I have a bla1 and bla2 subversion, is it possible to combine the subversion trunks into something like bla1/bla2 ? |
| 01:14.23 | FearedBliss | but then i couldnt get Darwin.. all they have is source code |
| 01:14.24 | prolix | i can't seem to coax it into being functional |
| 01:14.56 | n3kl | prolix: tried wpa_supplicant? |
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| 01:15.03 | Baloo | Heh, Walt would be proud of GNU-Darwin's logo |
| 01:15.06 | prolix | n3kl: no, i haven't. |
| 01:15.24 | n3kl | prolix: imho, that is the best/only to make wireless work effectively on linux? |
| 01:15.48 | prolix | n3kl: please forgive my ignorance, but what's wpa-supplicant? |
| 01:15.59 | prolix | n3kl: and even if you don't reply, thank you. |
| 01:16.13 | Kevin` | prolix wpa_supplicant is a program that does wpa and 802.1x auth. don't need it for wep |
| 01:16.20 | Baloo | Ewww. |
| 01:16.21 | n3kl | prolix: it is a package that allows wpa on linux for 802.11 |
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| 01:16.39 | Baloo | My girlfriend just saw the GNU Darwin logo and suggested Internet Rule 34 may apply. |
| 01:16.44 | n3kl | but you can use it for wep |
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| 01:17.04 | Kevin` | I find it a pain to work with manually |
| 01:17.07 | prolix | n3kl: thank you. will apt-get install wpa-supplicant take care of that for me? |
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| 01:17.24 | n3kl | prolix: there is a fairly descent how to if you google 'debian wpa' |
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| 01:17.59 | prolix | n3kl: i've been throwing up boolean prayers for three days now, but i don't think i've uttered that exact phrase, yet. |
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| 01:20.12 | FearedBliss | good night |
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| 01:25.29 | spacemonkey|lapt | i just did apt-get update and i didnt realize i had unstable in sources.list. now all of the fonts on every WM looks much larger |
| 01:26.05 | MrProper | hi how can i deny all internet traffic on some application knowing only pid ? |
| 01:26.56 | spacemonkey|lapt | i mean experimental, not unstable |
| 01:27.13 | beardy | How surprising. |
| 01:27.16 | beardy | !experimental |
| 01:27.16 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 01:27.41 | spacemonkey|lapt | is there a way to downgrade? |
| 01:27.46 | abrotman | MrProper: unless you know the destination .. you can't |
| 01:28.36 | abrotman | spacemonkey|lapt: not easily |
| 01:28.37 | beardy | Since you se experimental, and unstable, you know how. |
| 01:28.43 | beardy | use |
| 01:28.59 | spacemonkey|lapt | would the best way be to just reinstall? |
| 01:29.36 | spacemonkey|lapt | i really had no idea i had experimental in there |
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| 01:29.56 | beardy | Then you have been cracked. |
| 01:30.05 | beardy | If you didn't put it there. |
| 01:30.07 | mmlj4 | do what? |
| 01:30.27 | spacemonkey|lapt | its weird, because i had ftp.debian.org main contrib etc, and then i had a couple of other repos, and then theres ftp.debian.org again with experimental |
| 01:30.40 | beardy | That's nice. |
| 01:31.07 | beardy | Backup /etc/ and everything you care about, try to downgrade or reinstall, learn lesson. |
| 01:31.25 | spacemonkey|lapt | i dont see the lesson to learn |
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| 01:31.38 | beardy | Then I'm afraid I don't have anything more to add. |
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| 01:37.53 | WormFood | so what do I have to do to get sound working with flash in debian? Sound works in the other apps I use. |
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| 01:38.21 | abrotman | WormFood: use alsa ? |
| 01:39.56 | WormFood | use alsa in addition to my normal sound drivers or instead of my normal sound drivers? |
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| 01:40.18 | WormFood | I've had bad luck with asla in the past, it seems my sound cards were never supported by it....haven't tried it since |
| 01:41.43 | abrotman | what the hell are you normal sound drivers? |
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| 01:44.15 | WormFood | snd_intel8x0? |
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| 01:44.54 | ranix^ | I haven't had trouble with alsa |
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| 01:45.11 | Wyzard | WormFood: ALSA *is* the "normal sound drivers" these days |
| 01:45.14 | ranix^ | then again I was using isapnptools to install sound cards |
| 01:45.17 | Wyzard | WormFood: OSS has been deprecated for years |
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| 01:46.06 | WormFood | if it IS the normal sound drivers, then why is it not installed by default on debian? |
| 01:46.11 | Wyzard | it is |
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| 01:46.16 | Wyzard | It's part of the kernel |
| 01:46.20 | WormFood | then why is it not installed on my system? |
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| 01:46.33 | Agrajag- | WormFood: snd_intel8x0 is an alsa module |
| 01:46.37 | WormFood | why are there debian packages for it, if it is part of the kernel? |
| 01:46.56 | ranix^ | there aren't. There are packages for the modules and packages for the autoconfiguration tools |
| 01:47.02 | ranix^ | get your head out of your ass |
| 01:47.18 | ranix^ | or check out #ubuntu |
| 01:47.30 | ranix^ | no need to be flippant when Wyzard is telling it like it is |
| 01:47.36 | WormFood | fuck ubunti |
| 01:47.49 | WormFood | I rarely use sound under Linux |
| 01:47.57 | WormFood | it WAS working in the past |
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| 01:48.34 | ph8 | hey all! I tried to implement quotas on a machine of mine and now everytime it starts it holds for a while on 'Checking quotas..' then says it can't move aquota.users.new into aquota.users and the same for the group quota file! |
| 01:48.36 | WormFood | my last experience with alsa was when it was still fairly new, and it didn't work worth a shit |
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| 01:48.52 | ph8 | obviously i can't move it myself, even as root - can i? because it's got all that clever write protection over it |
| 01:48.58 | abrotman | WormFood: flash9 works with alsa |
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| 01:49.07 | WormFood | so...what package do I need to install to make it work? |
| 01:49.09 | Wyzard | WormFood: the alsa-base package doesn't contain any software, just some documentation and helper scripts |
| 01:49.43 | Wyzard | WormFood: alsaconf used to be necessary to configure the system to load the right drivers, but that's not needed anymore since drivers get loaded by autodetection of PCI devices |
| 01:49.52 | WormFood | ok |
| 01:50.15 | WormFood | but it does not seem to work out of the box with debian....maybe it is because I'm running sid |
| 01:50.15 | Wyzard | WormFood: alsa-utils contains a volume-control mixer and some sound players |
| 01:50.36 | WormFood | thanks...I hope thats what I need to know |
| 01:50.50 | Wyzard | WormFood: I'm running sid and haven't had any problems with sound in several years |
| 01:51.37 | Wyzard | WormFood: should work out-of-the-box -- udev detects your soundcard and loads the kernel module which supports it (just like it does for any type of hardware), and the kernel module is an ALSA driver (with a name beginning with "snd-") and sound Just Works |
| 01:51.52 | Wyzard | WormFood: though the volume levels are muted by default, so you'll need to run alsamixer and turn them up so you can hear things |
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| 01:52.12 | Brigo | Wyzard: good point :-) |
| 01:52.32 | WormFood | but it appears that no sound support, other than just the kernel drivers (part of the kernel package) are installed by default |
| 01:52.54 | Azar | define "support" |
| 01:52.55 | WormFood | so I did a "apt-get install alsa-utils alsa-oss alsa-base linux-sound-base" |
| 01:53.13 | Wyzard | WormFood: If you install alsa-utils, that'll pull in linux-sound-base and alsa-base as dependencies |
| 01:53.35 | WormFood | Wyzard, those were just suggested by apt-get |
| 01:53.51 | Azar | that why is good to use aptitude instead |
| 01:53.54 | WormFood | sorry, you're right Wyzard |
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| 01:54.13 | Azar | aptitude install pulls in all relatives |
| 01:54.25 | WormFood | I was reading the wrong line |
| 01:54.35 | WormFood | thanks for your help guys |
| 01:54.50 | Wyzard | WormFood: You'll want alsa-utils so you have alsamixer |
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| 01:55.02 | Azar | dpkg hi |
| 01:55.02 | dpkg | hola |
| 01:55.03 | WormFood | now do I need to run esd? |
| 01:55.27 | Wyzard | WormFood: if you want to, but it's probably not necessary (and I find it to be more trouble than it's worth) |
| 01:55.30 | WormFood | I thought I remember something about alsa replacing the functionality of esd |
| 01:55.42 | Wyzard | yeah, it does mixing with something called dmix |
| 01:55.50 | Wyzard | mixing was the main purpose of esd afaik |
| 01:55.58 | abrotman | it was .. and it did it poorly |
| 01:56.04 | WormFood | I know if I don't run esd, then gnome locks up on me |
| 01:56.22 | Wyzard | dmix doesn't work with the OSS emulation (/dev/dsp) though |
| 01:56.39 | Wyzard | so software using the legacy OSS interface won't be able to share sound with other things |
| 01:57.00 | Wyzard | The only thing on my system that actually encounters that problem is VMware; everything else plays sound through ALSA directly so there's no problem |
| 01:57.15 | WormFood | figures that vmware is a problem |
| 01:57.22 | WormFood | vmware seems to be a problem for everything |
| 01:57.23 | Wyzard | Make sure you have GNOME configured to use ALSA |
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| 01:57.33 | Wyzard | nah, VMware works great in general |
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| 01:58.01 | WormFood | if I don't run esd, then gnome does not give me the option to use system sounds |
| 01:58.06 | WormFood | am I overlooking something |
| 01:58.14 | Wyzard | oh, yeah, I forgot about that |
| 01:58.19 | Wyzard | That's a stupid GNOME limitation afaik |
| 01:58.20 | WormFood | Wyzard, does gnome crash on you when you open a file dialog? |
| 01:58.31 | Wyzard | never really bothered me since I don't like "system sounds" anyway |
| 01:58.37 | Wyzard | and no, file dialogs work fine |
| 01:58.41 | WormFood | er, I mean, vmware crash when trying to use a gnome open file dialog |
| 01:58.45 | Wyzard | oh |
| 01:58.46 | Wyzard | nope |
| 01:59.07 | WormFood | it crashes on me, if I don't set a certain value |
| 01:59.27 | Wyzard | I've used every version of Workstation since 4.0 and I don't think I've ever had that happen |
| 01:59.54 | WormFood | I've used every version since 1.0, and I only had that problem with 6.x |
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| 02:00.12 | Wyzard | I use 6.0 on a daily basis |
| 02:00.22 | ranix^ | I don't recall which I use |
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| 02:00.34 | Wyzard | (to boot Windows to use my employer's stupid IE-only online timesheet system) |
| 02:00.44 | ranix^ | use it for an old Act customer database and word 97 in XP |
| 02:00.57 | WormFood | I remember when the early versions of vmware would crash the entire system, even when run as a user....now it seems to be much more stable. |
| 02:01.04 | Wyzard | WormFood: Since you're runnign sid, you might be interested in the "vmware-package" package, btw... builds .debs from a VMware tarball |
| 02:01.04 | ranix^ | lets me do real work the rest of the time, and it's better than Wine |
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| 02:01.24 | Wyzard | WormFood: so you can build the kernel modules with module-assistant, among other things |
| 02:01.35 | WormFood | cool! I didn't know that |
| 02:01.46 | WormFood | I just always install it like normal |
| 02:01.52 | acu | I want to install in one box a WEBSERVER. FTPSERVER and Mail Server - I have three hard disks 320 GB (fastest SATA) and two 160 GB ATA - any sugestions for partitioning? ___ Should I use LVM and create a /vat/www var/ftp var/mail ? |
| 02:02.10 | WormFood | does it also patch the kernel modules in vmware to compile with the newest kernel? |
| 02:02.18 | Wyzard | You lose vmware-config.pl though, so if you want to use settings other than the default you have to edit the files in /etc by hand |
| 02:02.35 | WormFood | I rarely use vmware |
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| 02:02.39 | Wyzard | It doesn't patch anything, but it can make a .deb from a vmware-any-any tarball, and you use module-assistant on that instead of the "official" one |
| 02:02.45 | WormFood | I use it mostly for testing .iso images |
| 02:02.46 | CalJohn | anyone know an sftp client with tabcomp and coreutils operation names? like yafc? |
| 02:02.54 | Wyzard | same here |
| 02:03.07 | Wyzard | (aside from using it to run IE for that timesheet program) |
| 02:03.11 | Kevin` | acu raid5 |
| 02:03.14 | Kevin` | and yes use lvm too |
| 02:03.22 | WormFood | thanks at lot for your help Wyzard |
| 02:03.47 | WormFood | I'm gonna try icemoney again, and see if I get sound with flash now |
| 02:03.49 | Wyzard | You're welcome |
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| 02:04.37 | acu | kevin: so should I create a lvm for each (web, mail and ftp ?) |
| 02:05.01 | Kevin` | acu sure, no reason not to |
| 02:05.38 | acu | kevin:raid5 is a bit intimidating - I always have trouble restoring (changing the hard disk if one fails) |
| 02:05.51 | acu | kevin: I am planing to use Mondo to back it up though |
| 02:06.04 | acu | and maybe try some kind of heartbeat ? |
| 02:06.55 | Wyzard | acu: Replacing a failed disk in a RAID array should be as simple as just "mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdx1" |
| 02:07.23 | Wyzard | acu: (after you partition the replacement disk, assuming you use partitions rather than raw disks as components in your array) |
| 02:08.00 | WormFood | sighs |
| 02:08.05 | acu | Wyzard: thanks, maybe I should do some drills before :) as everything else in computers " if you know it is to easy, if you don't it is imposible :) " |
| 02:08.20 | WormFood | one of the hard drives in my mirror failed, when I'm on the other side of the planet :( |
| 02:08.37 | Wyzard | :-/ |
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| 02:16.44 | vasco | hello i can t find the package glibc-linuxthreads.. |
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| 02:16.58 | vasco | i m using apt-cache search |
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| 02:17.37 | PachecoJ | I have gcc4 with libstdc++6, if I install gcc3.3 w/ libstdc++5 will there be any issues? |
| 02:17.47 | WormFood | aaarrrggghhh.....sound still not working with flash after installing all those asla packages :( |
| 02:17.50 | PachecoJ | I'm obviously installing it in parallel with the existing instalation |
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| 02:18.33 | PachecoJ | I just don't know if the installer will do random annoying thinks, like switch the /usr/lib/libstdc++.so symlink to point to libstdc++5 |
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| 02:22.01 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 02:22.01 | dpkg | i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 02:22.04 | abrotman | WormFood: ^^ |
| 02:22.05 | craigevil | WormFood: try this> http://linuxsociety.org/howto/firefoxflashsound.html |
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| 02:23.17 | sier | craigevil, !!! |
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| 02:23.44 | WormFood | I'm already a member of the audio group, so I don't need to login/logout ;) |
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| 02:24.29 | abrotman | read all of it |
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| 02:28.34 | WormFood | # cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 02:28.34 | WormFood | -su: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 02:28.41 | WormFood | won't work if esound is running :P |
| 02:29.06 | abrotman | right .. kill esd |
| 02:29.12 | abrotman | !kill esd |
| 02:29.13 | dpkg | tears a hole in esd's head with a whip |
| 02:29.15 | Daveman | oh snaps |
| 02:29.26 | Daveman | ze rain... she comes! |
| 02:29.44 | Wyzard | WormFood: ALSA's dmix plugin doesn't work with things that use /dev/dsp (the legacy OSS interface) |
| 02:29.52 | WormFood | abrotman, of course, I know that....I have done that...I followed the directions....trying icemoney again now |
| 02:30.17 | Wyzard | WormFood: /dev/dsp is still limited to one thing at a time |
| 02:30.31 | WormFood | right |
| 02:30.38 | WormFood | which is why "esddsp" exists ;) |
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| 02:31.06 | Wyzard | but then you can't use ALSA's native interface for anything; you have to run everything through esd |
| 02:31.16 | Wyzard | which is a hack on top of a hack (esd through OSS emulation) |
| 02:31.23 | Daveman | heehee |
| 02:31.33 | WormFood | indeed |
| 02:31.45 | WormFood | the only think I hadn't done before was run aslaconf |
| 02:31.54 | Wyzard | alsaconf shouldn't be necessary |
| 02:32.00 | Wyzard | unless you have an old ISA sound card or something |
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| 02:32.14 | WormFood | that is what I thought....but I STILL don't have sound with flash :( |
| 02:32.28 | WormFood | I figured I'd follow all the directions, so nobody could say I was doing it wrong |
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| 02:32.51 | liable | is anything using /dev/dsp still? |
| 02:32.59 | Wyzard | "unnecessary" is probably the wrong word... I'd actually recommend against using alsaconf |
| 02:33.14 | WormFood | I don't have run icemonkey with esddsp do I? |
| 02:33.31 | Wyzard | You wouldn't need to run *anything* with esddsp if you weren't running esd |
| 02:33.50 | WormFood | and I wouldn't get system sounds if I didn't run esd |
| 02:34.37 | Wyzard | If you really must have system sounds, take a look at pulseaudio |
| 02:34.44 | Wyzard | It's a replacement for ESD that supports ALSA |
| 02:34.48 | WormFood | I don't need system sounds at all |
| 02:34.50 | Brigo | Wyzard: why not alsaconf ? |
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| 02:35.17 | Wyzard | because it makes configuration changes that do nothing but create clutter on a modern system |
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| 02:35.24 | htmlol | why anyone would want system sounds is beyond me |
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| 02:35.50 | WormFood | htmlol, because I want it to be more like winblows |
| 02:35.53 | WormFood | hahahaha |
| 02:35.59 | htmlol | eeew |
| 02:36.02 | WormFood | I'm joking, don't take me seriously |
| 02:36.15 | htmlol | I hoped so >.> |
| 02:36.28 | htmlol | april fools I guess. hehe |
| 02:36.29 | WormFood | I HATE widows with every fiber of my being |
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| 02:36.37 | WormFood | actually, it is april 2 here |
| 02:36.42 | htmlol | don't we all :D |
| 02:36.47 | htmlol | ww |
| 02:36.50 | htmlol | aww |
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| 02:37.03 | WormFood | I keep forgetting it is still april 1 in usa |
| 02:37.09 | htmlol | bout an hour left here |
| 02:37.13 | htmlol | yeah |
| 02:37.21 | WormFood | after I kill esd, sound works fine in icemonkey |
| 02:37.30 | WormFood | thanks again for your help, especially Wyzard |
| 02:37.49 | WormFood | I'm sure the only thing I really needed to do was to kill esd |
| 02:38.08 | Wyzard | and configure your apps to use ALSA (though it should be the default in most things by now) |
| 02:38.19 | htmlol | out of curiosity what'd youkill it with? |
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| 02:39.49 | WormFood | htmlol, I just did a "fg" and ctrl-c :P |
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| 02:40.07 | htmlol | k |
| 02:40.07 | andrew[andrboot] | Hil dumb question... i just did a "clean" install of debian with gnome, remembered due to my i810 chipset i needed the 915resolution patch due to me not being able to run the res.. installed it and still have the same problem. any ideas/ |
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| 02:40.53 | htmlol | reinstall it with the patch? *shrugs* |
| 02:41.04 | andrew[andrboot] | @ htmlol reinstalled 915 a few tiems. |
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| 02:41.18 | andrew[andrboot] | it supposdly works..my xorg specifies the right res.. but Xorg isn't run the right res |
| 02:41.29 | Wyzard | andrew[andrboot]: Don't you have to do something with 915resolution to tell it what video mode you want it to patch into the mode table? |
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| 02:41.40 | htmlol | wht does your xorg.conf say? |
| 02:41.48 | Wyzard | andrew[andrboot]: I don't think just installing it makes it automatically figure out your desired resolution |
| 02:41.49 | andrew[andrboot] | @ Wyzard yea.. did that stil lflail |
| 02:42.04 | Wyzard | andrew[andrboot]: dunno then |
| 02:42.07 | andrew[andrboot] | o.o |
| 02:42.18 | andrew[andrboot] | @ htmlol lemme see |
| 02:42.29 | Wyzard | andrew[andrboot]: but you might be interested to know that newer versions of xorg (in testing/unstable) have a newer version of the driver that shouldn't need 915resolution |
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| 02:42.52 | htmlol | hehe I use sid |
| 02:42.53 | andrew[andrboot] | @ Wyzard ..yea.. supposdoely it auto confid.. buut it stll didn't us ethe right res. |
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| 02:43.02 | htmlol | sidux specifically |
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| 02:44.19 | htmlol | andrew[andrboot]: so how bout that xorg.conf? |
| 02:44.28 | BrianSteffens | lol |
| 02:45.07 | htmlol | @? |
| 02:45.09 | andrew[andrboot] | heheh |
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| 02:47.07 | htmlol | ..? |
| 02:47.36 | andrew[andrboot] | pasting |
| 02:47.41 | andrew[andrboot] | @ htmlol http://rafb.net/p/qNzrY553.html |
| 02:49.04 | htmlol | k lets see... |
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| 02:49.58 | andrew[andrboot] | @ htmlol http://rafb.net/p/f0uPXy22.html my lspci |
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| 02:50.08 | elik | Is there any way I can see the size a package use on my hard drive? |
| 02:50.14 | htmlol | and what resolution do you want? |
| 02:50.18 | abrotman | elik: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 02:50.36 | andrew[andrboot] | @ htmlol the 1280x768 |
| 02:50.45 | htmlol | elik: apt-cache show package will give you the size of a package |
| 02:50.47 | abrotman | andrew[andrboot]: stop with the "@" bit |
| 02:50.53 | andrew[andrboot] | okas. |
| 02:51.02 | htmlol | abrotman: beat me :p |
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| 02:53.14 | htmlol | andrew[andrboot]: xorg.conf seems in order. I'm clueless =( |
| 02:53.22 | andrew[andrboot] | :p |
| 02:53.30 | andrew[andrboot] | teh magic of debian ? lol |
| 02:53.56 | abrotman | check the X log |
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| 02:55.08 | elik | and is there any quick way to sort all the currently installed packages by size? |
| 02:55.27 | abrotman | !sort by size |
| 02:55.27 | dpkg | i heard sort by size is perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package) |
| 02:55.28 | spx2 | elik: what size to sort ? |
| 02:55.42 | spx2 | elik: the size of the package ? |
| 02:55.43 | andrew[andrboot] | http://rafb.net/p/r0XPVO17.html |
| 02:55.44 | abrotman | spx2: does the package size really matter ? |
| 02:55.55 | spx2 | elik: the size of the package installed ? |
| 02:55.57 | elik | yes |
| 02:56.00 | abrotman | andrew[andrboot]: the WHOLE log |
| 02:56.09 | andrew[andrboot] | o.o |
| 02:56.18 | elik | abrotman, well, for now, the size of the package matters for me |
| 02:56.19 | abrotman | WW means nothing |
| 02:56.19 | spx2 | elik: well I believe that is mentioned somewhere in some indexes of aptitude apt-get or something |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | elik: why? |
| 02:56.28 | spx2 | elik: just find it ,extract what you need and sort them |
| 02:56.56 | andrew[andrboot] | http://rafb.net/p/HHsePo88.html |
| 02:57.02 | htmlol | andrew[andrboot]: well that explains it, x is rejecting you. lol |
| 02:57.33 | elik | abrotman, I'm creating a debian image for arm devel... I started from a netinst of lenny.. but I want to thin it down, cause 4.5gig is heave to cary around in your bag :) |
| 02:57.44 | andrew[andrboot] | sooo how do i fixy |
| 02:58.03 | htmlol | no idea. heh |
| 02:58.04 | abrotman | elik: i agree .. |
| 02:58.43 | htmlol | elik: ooh do it for Palm TX :p |
| 02:58.44 | elik | abrotman, but I don't want to start from scratch and install stuff one by one, cause I still need some of the basic stuff |
| 02:59.15 | abrotman | andrew[andrboot]: your monitor setting is wrong ? |
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| 03:00.20 | elik | htmlol, as soon as I'm done with my ARM :P |
| 03:00.31 | htmlol | hehe |
| 03:00.53 | abrotman | elik: what's on this 4.5GB? |
| 03:01.03 | htmlol | palm tx runs on arm so youre halfway there ;) |
| 03:01.12 | andrew[andrboot] | abrotman hmm? how |
| 03:01.15 | andrew[andrboot] | its a lcd |
| 03:01.34 | elik | abrotman, well, all the desktop and laptop default packages, so Gnome and OpenOffice and more of them |
| 03:01.44 | abrotman | andrew[andrboot]: it's a guess |
| 03:01.50 | htmlol | andrew[andrboot]: are you sure that's your res? I never heardthat before. |
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| 03:01.58 | andrew[andrboot] | yea i have a 10.2/10.4 inch lappy screen |
| 03:02.11 | zinx | needs more 7" |
| 03:02.17 | htmlol | andrew[andrboot]: maybe you should try 1280x800 |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | andrew[andrboot]: but your resolution you've picked is *very* wide |
| 03:02.28 | htmlol | that's my res |
| 03:02.37 | hsuh | is there a mirror for the livecd downloads? |
| 03:02.40 | htmlol | 15.4" |
| 03:02.45 | andrew[andrboot] | nah. i know the res is 768.. i ran/run gentoo/xubuntu and ubuntu on it iwthout a problem. |
| 03:03.25 | andrew[andrboot] | going to try something bbl. |
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| 03:04.06 | vvd | anyone tried indexing /usr with meta tracker? |
| 03:04.09 | nerdMX | hi! question: sun-java6-jre is no longer on SID ? |
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| 03:04.42 | Wyzard | nerdMX: It's still there |
| 03:04.53 | htmlol | nerdMX: I see itthere |
| 03:05.03 | abrotman | !info sun-java6-jre sid |
| 03:05.08 | dpkg | sun-java6-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 6-05-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6305 kB, Installed size: 14188 kB |
| 03:05.20 | Wyzard | just got updated a few days ago, in fact |
| 03:05.24 | tython | msg nickserv |
| 03:05.24 | abrotman | hey .. you know what would be *really* cool .. Sun should opensource Java |
| 03:05.27 | nerdMX | on my dailly apt-get upgrade I get: |
| 03:05.27 | nerdMX | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 03:05.27 | nerdMX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:05.59 | Wyzard | abrotman: Fedora 8 has icedtea |
| 03:06.09 | htmlol | nerdMX: you could just reinstall them. lol |
| 03:06.20 | elik | nerdMX, yeah, autoremove showed this package was to be removed |
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| 03:06.31 | abrotman | Wyzard: that's not Sun! |
| 03:06.41 | afink | Anyone have a link that could help me with installing flash player 9 in firefox. The procedures I found on google and debianhelp did not work for me. thanks. |
| 03:06.42 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's mostly Sun's code |
| 03:06.46 | ahyuwhiye | hi like-minded people |
| 03:06.49 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's not Sun! |
| 03:06.55 | liable | i thought they did open source it? |
| 03:06.56 | abrotman | !tell afink about flash |
| 03:06.57 | ahyuwhiye | when will be the new linux 8.04 out? |
| 03:07.03 | abrotman | ahyuwhiye: wrong channel |
| 03:07.04 | liable | hah |
| 03:07.14 | ahyuwhiye | excuse me? |
| 03:07.22 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: That's an Ubuntu version number, not Debian |
| 03:07.23 | afink | thanks abrotman! |
| 03:07.26 | abrotman | ahyuwhiye: this is #debian |
| 03:07.34 | ahyuwhiye | no i am talking about linux |
| 03:07.38 | abrotman | then ask ##linux |
| 03:07.45 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: but according to ubuntu.com the release date is the 23rd of this month |
| 03:07.47 | ahyuwhiye | yes but i am using debian |
| 03:07.53 | abrotman | ahyuwhiye: stop trolling |
| 03:07.59 | nerdMX | now I can't use jedit.org |
| 03:07.59 | vvd | :D |
| 03:08.02 | mmlj4 | ahyuwhiye: linux 8.2 doesn't exist |
| 03:08.05 | liable | ahyuwhiye: exactly what linux are you talking about? |
| 03:08.19 | ahyuwhiye | debian ubuntu 8.04 |
| 03:08.20 | nerdMX | I think tomorrow will be fixed |
| 03:08.24 | htmlol | ahyuwhiye: but you have a linux question. |
| 03:08.32 | abrotman | ahyuwhiye: try #ubuntu |
| 03:08.33 | WormFood | the newest linux is 2.6.x |
| 03:08.34 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: Debian and Ubuntu are two different things |
| 03:08.35 | ahyuwhiye | i just asked when the new linus is out |
| 03:08.35 | htmlol | hahaha |
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| 03:08.42 | abrotman | !de |
| 03:08.43 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 03:08.52 | htmlol | debian ubuntu? LOL |
| 03:09.01 | ahyuwhiye | what is going on herE? |
| 03:09.02 | BrianSteffens | at least debian came first in the name |
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| 03:09.09 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: and 8.04 is a version number of the Ubuntu Linux distribution, which is different from Linux itself (that's just the kernel, current version 2.6.24) |
| 03:09.13 | htmlol | hehe |
| 03:09.19 | mweichert | hi, I'm trying to install a specific version of curl using the following: sudo apt-get install curl=7.15.5 |
| 03:09.20 | mweichert | but I get an error: E: Version '7.15.5' for 'curl' was not found |
| 03:09.35 | ahyuwhiye | whatever |
| 03:09.41 | nerdMX | mweichert, search in packages.debian.org |
| 03:09.44 | htmlol | ahyuwhiye: we aren't affiliated with ubuntu |
| 03:09.46 | ahyuwhiye | how can i install sonata without gnome libs? |
| 03:09.46 | mweichert | I can see that the version I want exists: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/curl/ |
| 03:09.47 | abrotman | mweichert: that version has to be available in your sources |
| 03:09.54 | abrotman | mweichert: ask #ubuntu |
| 03:09.59 | nerdMX | mweichert, this is Ubuntu |
| 03:10.21 | htmlol | GO TO #UBUNTU ;_; |
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| 03:10.24 | ahyuwhiye | why? |
| 03:10.34 | ahyuwhiye | i am using debian linux |
| 03:10.38 | nerdMX | I like ubuntu, but ubuntu and debian ARE NOT the same stuff |
| 03:10.44 | ahyuwhiye | i now |
| 03:10.45 | mweichert | abrotman: I thought that maybe someone here could suggest some apt-get commands to try? |
| 03:10.47 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: If you're using Ubuntu, you're not using Debian |
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| 03:10.51 | htmlol | no, youre using ubuntu. |
| 03:10.52 | abrotman | mweichert: no .. go to #ubuntu |
| 03:10.54 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: They're two different things |
| 03:11.06 | htmlol | very different. |
| 03:11.11 | ahyuwhiye | i have read that about that debian ihas a native adobe flash support |
| 03:11.11 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: (Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it's a completely separate product developed by different people) |
| 03:11.24 | ahyuwhiye | but i hat eflash |
| 03:11.31 | ahyuwhiye | i just need sonata |
| 03:11.34 | ahyuwhiye | no video |
| 03:11.34 | htmlol | lol |
| 03:11.35 | abrotman | ahyuwhiye: do you have a Debian question or not? |
| 03:11.38 | ahyuwhiye | yes |
| 03:11.47 | ahyuwhiye | i need a sonata without gnome libs |
| 03:11.58 | htmlol | he doesn't know the difference |
| 03:12.05 | ahyuwhiye | i am no he |
| 03:12.11 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: sonata doesn't depend on GNOME libraries |
| 03:12.12 | AttractiveAp1 | ahyuwhiye: install debian and come back, then. |
| 03:12.15 | abrotman | ahyuwhiye: which version of debian are you running? `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` .. show us the line it returns |
| 03:12.15 | htmlol | between debian and ubuntu |
| 03:12.28 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: though it does depend on GTK |
| 03:12.33 | abrotman | htmlol: you're not helping |
| 03:12.38 | ahyuwhiye | aptitude install sonata gives me almost a complete debian DE because of python deps |
| 03:12.48 | ahyuwhiye | debian gnome de |
| 03:12.58 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: That's because it recommends python-gnome2-extras |
| 03:13.03 | hsuh | what are the main differences between debian and ubuntu |
| 03:13.03 | htmlol | abrotman: sorry, not used to this, I'll but out |
| 03:13.03 | ahyuwhiye | but i will use sonata for minimalism |
| 03:13.10 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: but recommendations are optional |
| 03:13.16 | ahyuwhiye | it is a dpendency |
| 03:13.18 | abrotman | hsuh: that's not a topic for discussion here |
| 03:13.21 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: You can tell it to installl sonata but not python-gnome2-extras |
| 03:13.27 | hsuh | where can i find more about it |
| 03:13.28 | ahyuwhiye | how? |
| 03:13.35 | abrotman | hsuh: the respective websites |
| 03:13.44 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: No, it's a recommendation... but aptitude installs recommended stuff by default, as if they were dependencies, unless you tell it not to |
| 03:14.19 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: From the command line, "aptitude install sonata python-gnome2-extras-" would probably work, though I'm not sure since I don't use aptitude's command-line interface |
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| 03:14.57 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: In aptitude's interactive mode, you'd select sonata, (which will automatically select python-gnome2-extras too), and then deselect python-gnome2-extras before telling aptitude to go ahead and install |
| 03:15.31 | ahyuwhiye | i forgot i am not even runing debian sorry |
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| 03:15.32 | htmlol | LOL |
| 03:15.32 | abrotman | !tell htmlol about lol |
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| 03:15.38 | amphi | heh |
| 03:15.55 | abrotman | ahyuwhiye: so what is your Debian question ? |
| 03:15.59 | ahyuwhiye | i will try out debian mepis |
| 03:16.02 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: Try it anyway, since Ubuntu's sonata package is probably similar to Debian's... but if Ubuntu's sonata actually depends on (rather than just recommends) python-gnome2-extras, complain in #ubuntu |
| 03:16.11 | opensrcguru | a really sh&^%%y april fools joke. |
| 03:16.14 | opensrcguru | ha |
| 03:16.14 | Wyzard | ahyuwhiye: Mepis is not Debian either |
| 03:16.16 | abrotman | Wyzard: i don't think he's even on a dpkg based system |
| 03:16.22 | ahyuwhiye | sidux |
| 03:16.24 | ahyuwhiye | ! |
| 03:16.28 | ahyuwhiye | sidux thats for me |
| 03:16.34 | abrotman | good .. GO INSTALL IT |
| 03:16.37 | abrotman | now go away |
| 03:16.38 | Wyzard | thinks ahyuwhiye is trolling |
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| 03:16.48 | htmlol | ahyuwhiye: I use sidux. |
| 03:16.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: took you long enough |
| 03:16.54 | ahyuwhiye | hot & spicey |
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| 03:17.25 | rrando | I see very few online businesses that mention running Gentoo in production environments, but I see Debian mentioned all the time. Is there a reason that Gentoo isn't suitable for production use? I've been using Gentoo for years now, but I've just started getting interested in playing around w/ other distros ... |
| 03:17.30 | Wyzard | hmm, didn't know you're an op now |
| 03:17.31 | Wyzard | cool |
| 03:17.32 | liable | took *you* long enough :P |
| 03:17.42 | abrotman | ahyuwhiye: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. please try to stay on topic |
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| 03:17.54 | Wyzard | rrando: Gentoo doesn't do stable releases like Debian/RedHat/etc. do |
| 03:17.59 | abrotman | liable: he was german .. i couldn't really tell! |
| 03:18.11 | rrando | OK, so it's stability of the release process? |
| 03:18.27 | Wyzard | rrando: People running servers want a supported set of packages that won't change on them |
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| 03:18.48 | Wyzard | rrando: If a critical bug is found (e.g. a security vulnerability), they want to be able to install a patch which fixes the bug but doesn't change anything else |
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| 03:19.08 | Wyzard | rrando: Debian provides that, as do RedHat, SuSE, and others, but Gentoo doesn't |
| 03:19.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: and doesn't require bringing the system to its knees while compiling a new libc6 and all its deps ? |
| 03:19.37 | Wyzard | rrando: The only way to get fixes on a Gentoo system is to upgrade to the latest version of the package, which can introduce other changes and potentially break your setup |
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| 03:20.08 | rrando | True. |
| 03:20.18 | Wyzard | abrotman: That too, but at least that can be done on a separate system to make tarballs to install on the server |
| 03:20.30 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 03:20.46 | rrando | abortman: Another option is distcc, which can make it quite fast. |
| 03:20.58 | abrotman | rrando: option .. |
| 03:21.21 | rrando | ? |
| 03:21.30 | abrotman | rrando: it doesn't mean it's always available |
| 03:21.47 | rrando | Yes. That is true. In my case it is though. |
| 03:22.05 | vvd | what would be the opposite to grep (eg, i want to ignore lines with pattern given)? |
| 03:22.17 | WormFood | grep -v |
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| 03:22.39 | rrando | And I'm sure it would be in any enterprise environment as well. Surely they could scrape up $100 for a seperate build box, or three ... |
| 03:22.49 | vvd | WormFood: thx |
| 03:23.02 | WormFood | didn't you read the grep manpage? :P " Invert the sense of matching, to select non-matching lines. (-v is specified by POSIX.)" |
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| 03:23.16 | abrotman | rrando: i can install patches on a self-contained debian system running on a 486 .. and it doesn't take an hour ;) |
| 03:23.19 | WormFood | I use -v all the time...that is how I know ;) |
| 03:23.24 | rrando | But the release process does seem to be a big downside ... I've always hated updating my entire system to fix a small bug. |
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| 03:23.40 | htmlol | wow, a -v that isn't verbose! :P |
| 03:24.28 | rrando | abrotman: Yes. On my Pentium II box I wouldn't dream of using Gentoo :) |
| 03:25.25 | WormFood | htmlol, or isn't "version" (but -V is) |
| 03:25.26 | abrotman | rrando: right .. but i'll use debian on anything that'll run it |
| 03:25.38 | htmlol | mhmm |
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| 03:25.42 | WormFood | abrotman, how about a 386sx16mhz? |
| 03:25.46 | andrew[andrboot] | Well... that was a waste of time |
| 03:25.53 | andrew[andrboot] | completl;ey usless |
| 03:25.56 | rrando | I'll have to give it a shot. I've been satisfied w/ Gentoo for years, but one thing that's killing me is that it's so different from other distros. |
| 03:26.06 | htmlol | what'd you do |
| 03:26.08 | abrotman | WormFood: doesn't run Debian etch |
| 03:26.14 | andrew[andrboot] | eh.. tried differne't xorg options |
| 03:26.15 | andrew[andrboot] | all flailed |
| 03:26.23 | htmlol | aww |
| 03:26.27 | WormFood | Gentoo is great....if you want to just kill time |
| 03:26.28 | rrando | All the config files are in different places, etc ... and I don't feel at home using other distros. I'd like to learn something more "normal" |
| 03:26.34 | htmlol | specifically? |
| 03:26.39 | andrew[andrboot] | its defenitly using the i810 driver... abortman you said something about a inew intel driver? do you know what it is.. that will possibly solve my prolblme |
| 03:26.44 | andrew[andrboot] | *problem |
| 03:26.55 | WormFood | I tried to install gentoo, but after spending hours for it to compile everything, it still didn't work....I don't have hours to waste like that |
| 03:26.56 | opensrcguru | thinks gentoo is perfect for the folks in prison with nothing but time |
| 03:26.57 | Wyzard | andrew[andrboot]: The "intel" driver is the new one I mentioned that's in testing/unstable, but not etch |
| 03:27.02 | andrew[andrboot] | really? |
| 03:27.03 | andrew[andrboot] | hmm |
| 03:27.05 | andrew[andrboot] | crap |
| 03:27.06 | abrotman | andrew[andrboot]: no i didn't |
| 03:27.15 | andrew[andrboot] | Wyzard anyway to make it work in etch? |
| 03:27.25 | abrotman | rrando: so try debian in a VM |
| 03:27.31 | andrew[andrboot] | thats what the other os's were runnning On :p |
| 03:27.35 | Wyzard | andrew[andrboot]: It sets video modes directly (rather than using the video BIOS) so it's not limited to the VESA modes defined in the video BIOS, and therefore doesn't need 915resolution |
| 03:27.40 | andrew[andrboot] | hmm |
| 03:27.44 | Wyzard | andrew[andrboot]: See if backports.org has it, I guess |
| 03:27.46 | andrew[andrboot] | how do i get this intel driver :p |
| 03:27.48 | rrando | abrotman: I've got a spare box I'll try it on. I've heard many good things about it. |
| 03:27.55 | andrew[andrboot] | checks out |
| 03:28.00 | rrando | Anyhow thanks for the info. |
| 03:28.06 | Wyzard | andrew[andrboot]: or backport it manually if you have the skills |
| 03:28.21 | andrew[andrboot] | kk |
| 03:28.25 | BrianSteffens | will said skills pay the bills?! |
| 03:28.27 | andrew[andrboot] | ill see how we go |
| 03:28.36 | htmlol | andrew[andrboot]: why don't you use the unstabe/testing repository |
| 03:28.45 | liable | eek |
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| 03:28.54 | abrotman | rrando: we like it! :) |
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| 03:29.00 | Wyzard | because upgrading to testing/unstable for the sake of a video driver is not necessarily a good idea |
| 03:29.27 | WormFood | htmlol, only use unstable (or as I call it, "unusable"), if you're a total geek, and can solve your own problems |
| 03:29.30 | htmlol | just the repositories. |
| 03:29.51 | BrianSteffens | i generally use testing/unstable for desktop/laptop machines just because.. well this is debian. debian's unstable is as stable as most distro's stable builds :) |
| 03:30.04 | andrew[andrboot] | yea lol |
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| 03:30.21 | Wyzard | rrando: The downside to stable releases is that people run into situations like andrew[andrboot]'s, where the software he needs isn't in the current release because it's too new :-) |
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| 03:30.33 | andrew[andrboot] | heh |
| 03:30.44 | Wyzard | rrando: but if you're used to Gentoo, you might consider running testing/unstable yourself |
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| 03:30.49 | htmlol | WormFood: sid is cool for me! |
| 03:30.51 | andrew[andrboot] | which reminds me why i stuck to gentoo/xubuntu :p |
| 03:30.59 | rrando | Wyzard: That happens w/ Gentoo as well ... I usually just build from source then ... |
| 03:31.15 | WormFood | htmlol, sid is cool for me too....that is all i use, except for one "production" machine |
| 03:31.16 | Wyzard | rrando: (Gentoo's "stable" package set is somewhere between Debian's "testing" and "unstable" branches, and ~x86 is roughly analogous to Debian's "experimental") |
| 03:31.32 | abrotman | you shouldn't recommend sid to anyone |
| 03:31.39 | rrando | Wyzard: OK -- thanks for pointing that out. |
| 03:31.50 | htmlol | WormFood: I can't claim total sid tho, I use sidux |
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| 03:32.03 | rrando | I like filling out bug reports anyhow ... I'll try the unstable release :) |
| 03:32.21 | abrotman | rrando: you should really consider testing until you're familiar with debian |
| 03:32.23 | Wyzard | abrotman: I think someone who's been running Gentoo for years probably has the skills to run sid, or at least to be able to tell whether it's appropriate for him |
| 03:32.37 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's not about linux knowledge .. it's about debian/apt knowledge |
| 03:32.43 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 03:32.47 | WormFood | Wyzard, yeah, I think you're right with that one |
| 03:32.53 | Wyzard | rrando: abrotman's right, start with testing |
| 03:32.55 | rrando | abrotman: Yes. I'm not worried about it. I'll figure it out -- I've got this friend Google. |
| 03:33.00 | rrando | He knows a lot about Debian |
| 03:33.01 | htmlol | but it's 100% debian compatible, so I'm not here under fase pretenses ;) |
| 03:33.04 | abrotman | rrando: google isn't always right |
| 03:33.23 | andrew[andrboot] | woo |
| 03:33.25 | rrando | That's when I use AOL search |
| 03:33.29 | rrando | :) jk |
| 03:33.31 | stew | rrando: you don't wnat unstable |
| 03:33.32 | andrew[andrboot] | crap |
| 03:33.43 | andrew[andrboot] | needs the new xorg :( |
| 03:33.44 | andrew[andrboot] | cries |
| 03:33.49 | abrotman | rrando: you should try to work within debian .. not just run to the source when it doesn't work .. that won't let you learn much of anything |
| 03:34.10 | htmlol | abrotman: I didn't reccomend sid, I told him to use the sid repositories temporarially |
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| 03:34.19 | man_in_shack | having some trouble with konqueror here |
| 03:34.19 | abrotman | htmlol: you shouldn't do that either |
| 03:34.19 | andrew[andrboot] | tries agin |
| 03:34.35 | ahyuwhiye | . |
| 03:34.35 | abrotman | htmlol: unless you actually know what you're doing and hte implications of doing what you suggest |
| 03:34.39 | ahyuwhiye | :þ |
| 03:34.40 | man_in_shack | refuses to start with only this output: konqueror: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4: undefined symbol: stat64 |
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| 03:36.15 | htmlol | abrotman: kay. |
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| 03:37.12 | htmlol | I think this Beirut is putting me in a funky mood :P |
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| 03:39.21 | ice63 | i have a question xmms in etch is it being replaced with xmms2 in lenny ? |
| 03:39.37 | equix | coño y ahora que hago? |
| 03:39.43 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:39.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 03:42.02 | stew | ice63: no, its not being replaced by anything. there is xmms2 available, but it is not being position by debian as a replacement for xmms |
| 03:42.18 | MagicMoonLight | HI Room |
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| 03:42.48 | ice63 | stew: ok good |
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| 03:44.44 | ice63 | stew: thank you .. |
| 03:46.12 | man_in_shack | grumble |
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| 03:49.12 | htmlol | aaaaalright goodnight |
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| 03:51.02 | youmean | any partition table rebuild tool for debian or linux? |
| 03:51.17 | Kevin` | youmean testdisk |
| 03:51.22 | youmean | i mean it can do a search ,rebuild |
| 03:51.35 | Kevin` | youmean testdisk |
| 03:51.38 | youmean | er,is it good |
| 03:51.41 | hermes` | Hello |
| 03:51.42 | Kevin` | yes |
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| 03:51.49 | youmean | Kevin`, thx |
| 03:52.18 | nevyn | parted |
| 03:52.43 | youmean | er |
| 03:52.48 | youmean | nevyn, okay |
| 03:53.28 | Kevin` | parted is for editing, not detectioin |
| 03:53.42 | n0mad | ehem have problem /usr/bin/dialog stuck and etas most cpu; after kill it runs again |
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| 03:53.50 | nevyn | parted can search for filesystem signatures and build a partition table from it. |
| 03:53.50 | n0mad | eats* |
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| 03:54.56 | n0mad | ehem have problem /usr/bin/dialog stuck and eats* most cpu, after kill it runs again; posible to get rid/kill of it somehow ib bute way ? |
| 03:55.00 | liable | gparted |
| 03:55.27 | liable | err, gpart |
| 03:55.27 | Kevin` | n0mad kill what's running it |
| 03:56.00 | n0mad | ehem how to check i gues was started by opera but it off now |
| 03:56.05 | youmean | liable, your point is gparted is better? |
| 03:56.09 | hermes` | interest |
| 03:56.34 | Kevin` | youmean gpart != gparted |
| 03:56.41 | youmean | okay |
| 03:56.44 | Rusty1 | i think it's gpart http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/gpart-man.html |
| 03:56.44 | youmean | gpart |
| 03:57.02 | Kevin` | there's lots of programs that do this. run one and be done :) |
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| 03:58.05 | youmean | thank you ,all of man,good hearted |
| 03:58.49 | pgpkeys | don't ever say I have a good heart |
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| 03:59.10 | vvd | ...again |
| 03:59.13 | pgpkeys | its black, and dirty, and evil. just the way i like it |
| 03:59.14 | youmean | pgpkeys, ? |
| 03:59.57 | vvd | pgpkeys: not as black and as evil as mine :P |
| 04:00.13 | pgpkeys | ask my ex wife. she'll disagree |
| 04:00.45 | youmean | i have a red heart |
| 04:00.51 | youmean | i am off to eat |
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| 04:01.42 | orudie | I installed bandwidthd, need help editing bandwidthd.conf |
| 04:01.55 | vvd | pgpkeys: lol ;) |
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| 04:02.02 | n0mad | Kevin`, em it runs as root that dialog; not as ordinary user as i am.. still canot find with is starter |
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| 04:02.58 | orudie | is anyone here experienced with a tool called bandwidthd ? |
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| 04:04.13 | n0mad | Kevin`, is it posible to get full comand with is started dialog ? |
| 04:04.26 | Kevin` | n0mad i'm bad with ps |
| 04:04.37 | n0mad | aww |
| 04:04.51 | orudie | anyone ? |
| 04:05.21 | pgpkeys | ps awwx should show you all you want |
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| 04:06.55 | enouf | Description: Tracks usage of TCP/IP and builds html files with graphs BandwidthD tracks usage of TCP/IP network subnets and builds html files with graphs to display utilization. Charts are built by individual IPs. Color Codes HTTP, TCP,UDP, ICMP, VPN, P2P, etc. . This is the static version, see bandwidthd-pgsql for multi sensor/php frontend bandwidthd. Homepage: http://bandwidthd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:07.02 | enouf | hrm |
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| 04:12.19 | jaggy- | I've setup samba servers before.. but I am trying to locally mount a local share and all I'm getting is "9712: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) \n SMB connection failed" |
| 04:12.36 | jaggy- | nothing in any logs |
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| 04:17.38 | Urban[0] | I recently converted from ubuntu to debian. The thing is my total ram was 1011 mb under ubuntu and became 885 mb under debian. |
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| 04:18.23 | Urban[0] | I had X and the nvidia binary driver installed for my geforce 3 on the machine and now with debian I just run it without X. |
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| 04:21.10 | jaggy- | swap? |
| 04:21.19 | jaggy- | how much physical ram in the system? |
| 04:21.45 | Urban[0] | 1024 mb |
| 04:21.56 | stew | Urban[0]: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 04:22.08 | Urban[0] | 2.6.22-3-486 |
| 04:22.16 | rrando | Urban[0]: How much is in buffer/cache ? |
| 04:22.26 | riverrun | Urban[0], you running Lenny? |
| 04:22.30 | stew | Urban[0]: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 04:22.35 | Urban[0] | riverrun: yes |
| 04:22.46 | stew | Urban[0]: the -486 kernels only support ~860mb of ram |
| 04:22.53 | Urban[0] | rrando: used 116, free 768 |
| 04:23.02 | Urban[0] | stew: that would explain it then. |
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| 04:26.15 | Urban[0] | thanks stew |
| 04:27.17 | Urban[0] | stew: it works perfectly. |
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| 04:35.21 | kryptoz | hi all, I am trying to update my 4.0r1 dvd iso to lenny. I can do this with jigdo or jigit right ? |
| 04:35.29 | xuser | what replaced tzconfig in sid? |
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| 04:37.45 | \amethyst | xuser: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 04:38.09 | xuser | \amethyst: ah thanks. |
| 04:38.10 | \amethyst | xuser: if you had read /usr/share/doc/libc6/NEWS.Debian.gz you would know this |
| 04:38.35 | \amethyst | (of course, that depends on knowing that it was from the libc6 package) |
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| 04:39.27 | xuser | yeah, no idea :) |
| 04:40.37 | pgpkeys | even I have to admit the NEWS files are not the first place I read. i tend to ignore them because they tend not to have anything useful. however that does occasionally come back to bite me in the ass :) |
| 04:40.43 | kryptoz | how do I use jigdo to update my dvd iso to lenny ? I downloaded the .jigdo and .template for "testing". in the jigdo interface, shall I enter the iso path or the mounted directory ? |
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| 05:07.09 | kryptoz | can anyone guide me on updating my 4.0r1 iso files to testing using jigdo or some other tools please ? |
| 05:07.25 | kryptoz | I am downloading a netinst cd which I dont want to .. please .. |
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| 05:09.50 | n0mad | hi help, i neeed fast - howt to burn a cd copy (with manualy specified img place) ; or just how to make a cd image from cd ? |
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| 05:10.44 | kgoetz | n0mad: dd |
| 05:11.05 | kryptoz | n0mad, dd if=/dev/<your ROM device> of=./<imagename>.iso |
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| 05:11.40 | kryptoz | kgoetz, have you used jigdo or jigit ? |
| 05:12.02 | kgoetz | kryptoz: no, not yet |
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| 05:13.09 | sp219 | hi |
| 05:13.50 | Daveman | Greetings |
| 05:13.51 | kgoetz | sp219: dont do that |
| 05:14.32 | sp219 | sorrlyo |
| 05:14.35 | sp219 | sorry* |
| 05:14.39 | sp219 | :( |
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| 05:43.39 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 05:43.39 | dpkg | from memory, qotd104 is <overclocker> hi, i'n using x3270 to connect to a sco server, everithing works fine except the function keys, ideas? <asg> overclocker: do you have a license for the function keys? <overclocker> i just want to use the F-keys of my keyboard when i connect to the sco server, do i need a licence to do that? |
| 05:44.03 | kgoetz | lol |
| 05:44.08 | webPragmatist | has anyone had success installing an svn version of ffmpeg and compiling it on debian? |
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| 05:45.03 | intr80_ | webPragmatist : doesn't that change regularly? |
| 05:49.16 | liable | one would imagine so. |
| 05:49.54 | intr80_ | how does one go about controling the inode created for a keyboard device if I control two devices, one to a ps/2 and one to usb? |
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| 05:51.53 | _haxi_ | y0 |
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| 05:56.15 | webPragmatist | intr80_: sorry yes the latest package on apt is like 2006 or something and it doe't support VP6 for FLV conversino |
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| 05:58.00 | intr80_ | webPragmatist : so what happens when you try to install the head revision? |
| 05:58.11 | intr80_ | ie) from svn |
| 05:59.53 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 05:59.53 | dpkg | i heard qotd159 is <Brian_L> cd #debian-64 |
| 06:00.21 | webPragmatist | intr80_: i don't know how is the problem .... or exactly what to install for flv it seems |
| 06:01.17 | intr80_ | hmm, that made no sense to me. |
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| 06:02.17 | webPragmatist | there are different libraries that I guess you have to install and i dunno |
| 06:02.30 | webPragmatist | all of the how-tos are convoluted |
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| 06:04.00 | torrrgggggggggg | is there a switch to make diff continue on input/output error? |
| 06:04.28 | kgoetz | not after a very accurate result are you |
| 06:04.54 | Guerin | well, he IS an opera user |
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| 06:05.39 | torrrg | i do diff dir1 dir2OnDVD, and one file has input/output error |
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| 06:06.04 | Guerin | torrrg: replace the dvd |
| 06:06.08 | Guerin | or the driuve |
| 06:06.09 | Guerin | or both |
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| 06:06.54 | torrrg | I want to check if the other files are OK, but I don't want to do diff one by one |
| 06:07.24 | Guerin | torrrg: for loop |
| 06:07.37 | torrrg | Guerin: I guess I'll have to |
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| 06:07.51 | Guerin | well ... it's the most easiest way |
| 06:08.00 | Guerin | just exclude the file you don't want |
| 06:08.24 | torrrg | Guerin: the problem is that I don't know which file will cause an error untill it does |
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| 06:08.57 | Guerin | quite. So exclude those which do, and repeat as necessary |
| 06:09.14 | Guerin | the thing about i/o errors is that they're not optional or recoverable |
| 06:09.26 | Guerin | you can't just ignore them with a switch |
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| 06:21.46 | levander | Someone was in here telling me the state of your network interfaces could get out of "synch" between, I think it was, the kernel and something else. And, that you're not really supposed to be using /sbin/ifup and /sbin/ifdown. Can anyone tell me what the deal is with those two scripts? |
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| 06:23.15 | Netfeed | ive got a little problem, a custom package i need to install needs apache, but apache isnt installed yet and the custom package failed to get installed and now i cant remove the custom one as it's removal is needed for the installation of apache, and i can't install apache as the new package isn't fully installed yet, anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 06:24.34 | levander | My guess is apt-get's --force-yes option. But, the man page calls that option dangerous. |
| 06:24.45 | levander | --force-yes on removal of the custom package. |
| 06:26.16 | schmirgo | hello, i have a problem when updating kernel 686 from 2.6.18 to 2.6.24. i have a via nehemiah based low power cpu which is compatible with 686. when using kernel-image-2.6.24 i get a message just after loading initramfs is finished. it reads "BUG: Int:6: CBZ: 00000000" ans some stacktrace after that. are there any issues with 2.6.24? |
| 06:27.13 | Netfeed | levander: how can i check where the files is installed? maybe i could remove the forced apache reload? |
| 06:27.58 | levander | Netfeed: um, you mean "dpkg -L <package name>"? This command lists all the files included in a package. |
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| 06:29.18 | Netfeed | well, id like to change the behavior of the package uninstallation temporarily |
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| 06:32.23 | levander | Netfeed: check /var/lib/dpkg/info - there are a bunch of package specific installation and removal scripts in there |
| 06:32.51 | levander | Netfeed: I've always assumed they are the scripts that install and remove packages, and are called by APT at the appropriate times. |
| 06:34.33 | Netfeed | ah, nice |
| 06:36.25 | simonrvn | s,APT,dpkg, |
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| 06:46.17 | linux_user400354 | i have internet sharing with firestarter and the net is being shared, but i cant ping ,ssh, or anything between the two computers. then something weird happened. i had it until the machine had to reboot because the printer messed up and i pulled the power cord to the printer. before and after that the i cant ssh, so that also means i cant share the printer again. any ideas about this? |
| 06:46.38 | Netfeed | if i change something in the /var/lib/dpkg/info files will those files be removed when i do a --purge? |
| 06:47.41 | jim | linux_user400354:let's name "the two computers" |
| 06:47.52 | Guerin | Netfeed: no, those files are deleted on aptitude clean |
| 06:47.53 | jim | you pick the names |
| 06:48.13 | jim | Guerin: heya |
| 06:48.21 | Guerin | kia ora |
| 06:48.36 | Guerin | -> cook |
| 06:48.46 | Netfeed | Guerin: ok |
| 06:48.58 | Guerin | i'm glad you agree |
| 06:49.10 | jim | linux_user400354: so, you're here, right? |
| 06:49.36 | linux_user400354 | jim: okay fedora and debian |
| 06:49.55 | linux_user400354 | fedora-desktop and debian-server is how they are listed in my /etc/hosts files |
| 06:50.24 | jim | linux_user400354: ok, which one is the gateway? |
| 06:50.28 | linux_user400354 | fedora |
| 06:50.31 | linux_user400354 | desktop |
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| 06:50.42 | linux_user400354 | because it has the gigabit lan card |
| 06:50.48 | linux_user400354 | otherwise i wouldnt |
| 06:51.05 | jim | it's the only machine with that card? |
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| 06:51.13 | jim | or rather with any gb card |
| 06:51.45 | linux_user400354 | fedora-desktop, the more powerful computer has the gigabit lan card |
| 06:51.48 | linux_user400354 | onboard |
| 06:51.55 | jim | you can answer that one later... so can fedora ping out? |
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| 06:52.12 | linux_user400354 | that computer has a second pci realteck nic that shares the net over to the debian-server through a crossover cable |
| 06:52.19 | linux_user400354 | fedora has net |
| 06:52.22 | linux_user400354 | im using it right now |
| 06:52.26 | linux_user400354 | they both have net in fact |
| 06:52.35 | jim | they do? how so? |
| 06:52.54 | linux_user400354 | linksys>fedora>debian |
| 06:52.58 | jim | wait, I don't have the story straight in my mind if they both work |
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| 06:53.09 | linux_user400354 | the net works on both |
| 06:53.23 | linux_user400354 | but they cant communicate through services such as ping, ssh, printer sharing |
| 06:53.32 | jim | out of curiousity why not also plug debian into linksys |
| 06:53.47 | linux_user400354 | i would but it doesnt have the gigabit lan |
| 06:53.51 | linux_user400354 | so it would slow me down |
| 06:53.59 | linux_user400354 | and the gigabit lan isnt removable |
| 06:54.02 | linux_user400354 | its onboard |
| 06:54.30 | simonrvn | um, what's the point anyway? 100bT would saturate the internet connection... |
| 06:54.39 | linux_user400354 | lan stuff |
| 06:54.43 | simonrvn | if it was able to run at full speed |
| 06:54.59 | jim | right, the thing is you would need a gb lan card per machine |
| 06:55.11 | linux_user400354 | right, there are other machines on the network |
| 06:55.14 | jim | and possibly a gb switch |
| 06:55.16 | linux_user400354 | some not on it right now |
| 06:55.19 | linux_user400354 | and some are |
| 06:55.33 | jim | oic, and the lan is powered by fedora? |
| 06:55.47 | jim | to borrow a phrase |
| 06:55.50 | simonrvn | ah, now i see |
| 06:56.24 | linux_user400354 | okay i guess there's not a good reason but do you see that as a way of solving the problem? neither debian nor fedora can ssh, etc to each other. |
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| 06:56.48 | jim | can you describe how you know that |
| 06:56.50 | torrrg | can I hot swap sata HDs? |
| 06:56.59 | linux_user400354 | actually yeah you can ive done it |
| 06:57.11 | linux_user400354 | without raid too |
| 06:57.23 | nevyn | torrrg: yes |
| 06:57.26 | nevyn | with a but |
| 06:57.31 | simonrvn | doesn't mean it is hotswap... they have to explicitly support it |
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| 06:57.48 | linux_user400354 | i attempted it from both computers |
| 06:57.50 | linux_user400354 | ssh, ping |
| 06:57.52 | torrrg | nevyn: a but? |
| 06:57.59 | linux_user400354 | and for a little while, i had it working |
| 06:58.09 | linux_user400354 | i dont know what made it work |
| 06:58.45 | jim | how did the computer respond when it didn't? |
| 06:58.47 | linux_user400354 | it quit working when the printing stopped about half way through a page, i unplugged the printer, plugged it back in, debian froze, didnt respond to system requisite magic keys, and did a hard reboot |
| 06:58.49 | nevyn | torrrg: you probably need to tell the kernel that a disk is going away. |
| 06:59.14 | torrrg | nevyn: unmount? |
| 06:59.20 | linux_user400354 | it responds by hanging |
| 06:59.22 | linux_user400354 | and |
| 06:59.26 | nevyn | torrrg: more explicitly than that... |
| 06:59.27 | linux_user400354 | 3 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 1999ms |
| 06:59.46 | jim | so you had a net failure for some reason |
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| 07:00.07 | jim | gonna need some data |
| 07:00.28 | jim | on fedora, need output of ifconfig and route -n |
| 07:00.38 | jim | could you pastebin those? |
| 07:00.39 | linux_user400354 | okay,one moment |
| 07:00.45 | jim | same for debian |
| 07:01.07 | linux_user400354 | yes i can |
| 07:01.26 | jim | btw, could it be you reversed net cables on fedora? |
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| 07:02.45 | linux_user400354 | cables swapped on nics? |
| 07:02.50 | linux_user400354 | if thats what you mean then no |
| 07:02.53 | jim | ok |
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| 07:02.59 | jim | just checking |
| 07:03.57 | nevyn | torrrg: I thought there was something to tell the sata subsystem that you were going to pull a device out. |
| 07:04.11 | nevyn | but the only thing I can find is for laptops with multimode bays |
| 07:04.21 | simonrvn | the kernel has to remove its knowledge of the existence of the device, otherwise the box will likely lock up |
| 07:04.42 | simonrvn | ...by you telling it to do so |
| 07:05.12 | simonrvn | scsiinfo and such tools |
| 07:05.21 | simonrvn | scsidev IIRC |
| 07:05.30 | nevyn | scsitools |
| 07:05.32 | nevyn | is the package |
| 07:05.40 | nevyn | but It doesn't seem to mention sata |
| 07:07.30 | linux_user400354 | jim: here's fedora. http://rafb.net/p/TGAi3s83.html i know its not normal for eth1 to be the nic to the net but thats how it ended up being. |
| 07:07.38 | linux_user400354 | now im going to get debians output |
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| 07:13.05 | TZander | needs to unload a wifi module when I do a s2disk; does someone here know how to configure debian to do that automatically? (and preferrably insert it again when I boot up) |
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| 07:20.16 | solar_sea | Hello. Where do I find the netinstall images for usb sticks ? |
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| 07:23.46 | WormFood | solar_sea, you want a bootable image on your usb memory stick, to install debian off the net? |
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| 07:26.18 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:26.40 | jim | for 26 minutes so far, yes |
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| 07:29.53 | abdoreza | hi all |
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| 07:31.14 | bertvdp | does anyone here know something about the talk command ? |
| 07:31.22 | linux_user400354 | yes |
| 07:31.35 | linux_user400354 | lets you IM with users on the same machine |
| 07:31.40 | linux_user400354 | even through ssh |
| 07:31.40 | TZander | needs to unload a wifi module when I do a s2disk; does someone here know how to configure debian to do that automatically? (and preferrably insert it again when I boot up) |
| 07:31.45 | bertvdp | linux_user400354: yeah, but it doesn't want to work here |
| 07:31.53 | schmirgo | hi, why do i get an error "BUG: Int 6" and a stacktrace when upgrading to kernel 2.6.24 after loading initrd? |
| 07:31.57 | linux_user400354 | do you have talkd? |
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| 07:32.01 | spiekey_ | hello! |
| 07:32.13 | linux_user400354 | there's another one that may work instead of talk |
| 07:32.22 | linux_user400354 | you can also echo something | wall |
| 07:32.29 | spiekey_ | is the current debian release vulnerable to this issue? http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/28531 |
| 07:32.36 | schmirgo | i mean what's "Int 6" exactly |
| 07:32.55 | bertvdp | linux_user400354: I have it installed, but it never gets further then "checking invitation on the caller's machine", why ? |
| 07:32.55 | TZander | spiekey_: the security team is on that. |
| 07:33.01 | abdoreza | Im iranian |
| 07:33.05 | liable | TZander: the config files for suspend should have options for that |
| 07:33.29 | linux_user400354 | users must allow it |
| 07:33.38 | linux_user400354 | unless you send from the root account |
| 07:33.40 | abdoreza | I use ubuntu 7.10 |
| 07:34.03 | linux_user400354 | then go to #ubuntu and /part |
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| 07:34.08 | bertvdp | linux_user400354: I send from the root account and it keeps on waiting, and how do I allow it, I don't get anything prompted |
| 07:34.10 | TZander | liable: I had the same idea :) I just can't find any such config files. ls /etc/s* returns nothing relevant. |
| 07:34.23 | schmirgo | abdoreza: you should read the topic... |
| 07:34.28 | linux_user400354 | TZander: its been a while. let me look up some information online. |
| 07:34.39 | spiekey_ | TZander: is there a security or dev channel? |
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| 07:35.04 | liable | TZander: /etc/hibernate/ ?? |
| 07:35.29 | linux_user400354 | bertvdp: do you have these? they are needed by gentoo netkit-talk xinetd |
| 07:35.51 | linux_user400354 | examine the /etc/xinetd.d/talk file? |
| 07:35.53 | TZander | liable: that exists, I'll take a look, thanks! |
| 07:35.57 | linux_user400354 | its a configuration file |
| 07:36.21 | bertvdp | I'm not on gentoo, I have inetutils-talk and inetutils-talkd, I don't use xinetd but initd I think |
| 07:36.23 | lkthomas | guys, how could I scp with preserved owner and premission ? |
| 07:36.25 | liable | TZander: yw |
| 07:36.58 | linux_user400354 | bertvdp: im going to send you a paste directly to you |
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| 07:37.59 | linux_user400354 | TZander: got that? |
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| 07:38.14 | linux_user400354 | debian is printing after a reboot |
| 07:38.22 | debian | linux_user400354: Yes I am |
| 07:38.27 | linux_user400354 | lol |
| 07:38.44 | debian | s/am/do |
| 07:38.53 | levander | Okay, I've just done 'ifdown eth0', but then I do an 'ifconfig', and eth0 is still configured. And, I can still get into this IRC channel. |
| 07:38.58 | levander | How do I bring down eth0? |
| 07:38.59 | TZander | linux_user400354: I'm looking in /etc/hibernate; hoping that changing this pakages config will make s2disk behave differently) |
| 07:39.09 | liable | levander: ifconfig eth0 down |
| 07:39.22 | bertvdp | linux_user400354: so I should use ytalk instead of inetutils-talk ? |
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| 07:39.44 | levander | liable: That's it, liable. Thanks. I'm about to get kicked off the channel... |
| 07:39.53 | liable | heh |
| 07:39.59 | levander | asdf |
| 07:40.13 | linux_user400354 | is ytalk included? |
| 07:40.31 | levander | Didn't work. |
| 07:40.45 | hetauma | in order to get lenny->sid just do the same things like etch->lenny ? |
| 07:41.05 | linux_user400354 | if i understand right, talk will work after forcing talkd to listen on an interface with ytalk |
| 07:41.57 | jim | hetauma: yes... you're willing to go out on your own, I suppose? people might not want to help you here with sid... they might also not be able to (if problems are too new) |
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| 07:42.18 | liable | levander: it still shows as up in ifconfig? |
| 07:42.43 | levander | liable: Yeah. First word on 2nd line for eth0 is 'UP'. |
| 07:43.23 | levander | Interestingly, the inet and inet6 lines that were showing IP addresses have gone away. |
| 07:43.27 | Internat | so whats a good .mkv player? vlc doesnt seem to be cutting the mustard |
| 07:44.15 | liable | levander: hmm, odd. it shouldnt show at all without -a |
| 07:44.41 | levander | liable: Isn't there some place in /proc I can check and see what network interfaces are configured? |
| 07:45.22 | liable | levander: yeah, /proc/net/ iirc |
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| 07:45.44 | levander | I was in there earlier. There are like a hundred files in there. |
| 07:46.10 | TZander | liable: you would not happen to know the relation between package hibernate and package uswsusp ? I'm confused that hibernate-disk just works, but s2disk doesn't. Bug? |
| 07:46.42 | liable | TZander: not sure, i havent played with suspend for quite a while |
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| 07:46.50 | TZander | levander: grep is your friend :) |
| 07:46.56 | TZander | liable: ok, thanks. |
| 07:47.10 | levander | adf |
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| 07:47.42 | levander | Now ping doesn't work, eth0 shows up in ifconfig, and I'm still in this channel. |
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| 07:48.17 | DGnome | Hi, how do i make apt leave a certain package alone, ie. not upgrade the package? |
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| 07:48.35 | liable | DGnome: /msg dpkg hold |
| 07:48.43 | levander | I'm rebooting and messing with ifconfig after that. |
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| 07:50.13 | DGnome | liable: thank you :) |
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| 07:50.39 | liable | yw |
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| 07:53.12 | avallark | hey all |
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| 07:53.49 | avallark | i wanted to know how to kill a user from irc |
| 07:54.00 | avallark | when the user is trying to connect it says the nick is already in use |
| 07:54.02 | avallark | what can i do? |
| 07:54.46 | linux_user400354 | jim: here's fedora. http://rafb.net/p/TGAi3s83.html i know its not normal for eth1 to be the nic to the net but thats how it ended up being. that's fedora-desktop. here is debian-server http://rafb.net/p/KGvu2v82.html |
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| 07:54.56 | liable | avallark: is your nick registered? |
| 07:55.01 | avallark | nope |
| 07:55.04 | linux_user400354 | bokbaard: no luck? |
| 07:55.06 | avallark | its a new room i made |
| 07:55.14 | liable | then you need to register it |
| 07:55.20 | liable | and use nickserv |
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| 07:56.11 | avallark | register it where? |
| 07:56.20 | bokbaard | linux_user400354: mmm? |
| 07:56.24 | liable | !freenode |
| 07:56.24 | dpkg | i heard freenode is a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an irc network, irc.freenode.net, and you can visit their web page at http://freenode.net/. You may be connected to Freenode. See also <oftc> and <fact sharing> |
| 07:56.40 | avallark | no its not a registered user with freenode |
| 07:56.41 | liable | avallark: read the faq at ^^ |
| 07:56.55 | avallark | its a guest user |
| 07:57.03 | avallark | and i am just adding them to my room |
| 07:57.14 | linux_user400354 | bokbaard: got your named confused with this one bertvdp. nevermind. |
| 07:57.19 | bokbaard | :) |
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| 07:57.41 | bokbaard | btw, can anyone tell me if there is a sane way of shutting down deb from a php page? |
| 07:57.53 | linux_user400354 | webmin? |
| 07:58.16 | liable | he said sane :P |
| 07:58.21 | bokbaard | haha |
| 07:58.45 | bokbaard | its an old guys "firewall" at his home, and he wants to be able to shut it down with a "webpage" *sigh* |
| 07:58.51 | avallark | webmin 1.4 seems sane enough :D |
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| 07:59.09 | bokbaard | ill have a look at webmin again. |
| 07:59.14 | simonrvn | webmin is not sane |
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| 08:00.32 | liable | and not in debian anymore anyway |
| 08:01.43 | bokbaard | ja well the last time we used webmin the admins got gonorhea |
| 08:01.49 | bokbaard | but if thats the only way, ill do it |
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| 08:02.03 | linux_user400354 | id like to try a remote shutdown with ipt_sysrq |
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| 08:03.04 | lac | how do I set the timezone to Central Daylight time on a machine that doesn't do this automatically? |
| 08:03.23 | lac | Central European Daylight |
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| 08:04.27 | linux_user400354 | gnome? right click the time>adjust date and time |
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| 08:06.04 | sponzor | i have problam with ssh. when i ssh to server it works fine if i use local windows with putty to ssh to server |
| 08:06.13 | sponzor | but when i try to ssh from linux to linux server and type top |
| 08:06.15 | sponzor | it frezzes |
| 08:06.25 | sponzor | but servers is working only conection to server is frezeed |
| 08:06.26 | sponzor | ? |
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| 08:07.19 | jim | sponzor: make sure machines are named in dns or hosts |
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| 08:09.31 | sponzor | ok i use dns from isp dns servers so that is not the problam. anything alse? |
| 08:09.52 | liable | does it freeze when you run any other command? |
| 08:10.03 | sponzor | hmm |
| 08:10.52 | sponzor | not realy top is the command i think mybe the ram is the problam? but i dont get it if i ssh from windows and use top it works and if i ssh from linux and type top it frezzes |
| 08:11.15 | jim | well |
| 08:11.23 | liable | sounds odd |
| 08:11.54 | jim | you have two machines on internal net? |
| 08:12.12 | sponzor | yes |
| 08:12.27 | jim | so it's one to the other that freezes? |
| 08:12.47 | jim | when it freezes, can you do anything else? |
| 08:13.12 | sponzor | the remote server frezzes but only the conection not the server, i can ssh it again... but when i try to use top it frezzes again |
| 08:13.30 | liable | what if you run top in a screen session, does the screen session stay active? |
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| 08:14.26 | sponzor | yes |
| 08:14.56 | sponzor | i can do who ps x... etc works fine |
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| 08:15.14 | liable | got me bushed.. |
| 08:16.10 | sponzor | yeah i know. here we are me and 3 experts and cant get it what is wrong :P |
| 08:16.35 | liable | what about htop? |
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| 08:17.14 | jim | sponzor: you could reframe that as "four people having a conversation" |
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| 08:19.24 | jim | that happens to be a very useful reframe |
| 08:19.26 | jim | because |
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| 08:19.37 | jim | then you realize you're a participant |
| 08:20.27 | sponzor | ok, my english is not good, but this is mail server for a company... and it is not good if isnt working fine :P |
| 08:20.57 | jim | well that doesn't change the participant status... |
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| 08:21.41 | jim | I'm not saying anything about your english... I am saying you can look at this in a new way |
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| 08:23.17 | Slap_Stick | hey does anybody know how i can check whether the kernel has huge page tables enabled or not? |
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| 08:24.15 | jim | Slap_Stick: look at its config file |
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| 08:27.07 | Slap_Stick | well, this is a standard kernel package, do i need to get the kernel headers and source to do that? |
| 08:27.36 | liable | no, its in /boot/config-<kernel-version> |
| 08:27.45 | jim | so probably it was built with the make-kpkg script from the package kernel-package? |
| 08:27.46 | liable | i think theres a proc file for it too. |
| 08:28.31 | Slap_Stick | ahh cool i didn't realis ethat existed |
| 08:28.35 | Slap_Stick | thanks guys ;-) |
| 08:28.37 | jim | if it was installed by a debian installer, it was very likely built with that script |
| 08:29.26 | jim | any kernels built with that script are packaged into debian packages... when these are installed, it installs the config file in /boot |
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| 08:30.54 | Igneous | does anyone here know a good soundcard (under $40 preferably) that has alot of hardware channels, and doesn't have to use dmix? |
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| 08:32.34 | riverrun | Igneous, would the chaintech av-710 suffice? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829120103 |
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| 08:32.44 | the_sniff | ive killed /var/lib and its on /dev/hda1 (all of / is) i've umount |
| 08:32.46 | the_sniff | ive killed /var/lib and its on /dev/hda1 (all of / is) i've umount'd it |
| 08:33.06 | Igneous | riverrun: yeah, but I was considering http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102002 |
| 08:33.19 | the_sniff | and now when i df -h i get wrong output (all the partitions have the size of /dev/hda1) and /home is empty but it was on /dev/hda2 |
| 08:33.37 | the_sniff | is this normal behaviout since i've umount'd /dev/hda1? |
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| 08:34.36 | jim | the_sniff: looks like there's only one partition mounted |
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| 08:35.28 | the_sniff | jim: yes but the data i see isn't that partition's data |
| 08:35.31 | the_sniff | its the /dev/hda1 |
| 08:35.53 | the_sniff | now im writing data to where the /dev/hda2 is mounted and im scared im gonna overwrite /dev/hda2 |
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| 08:38.17 | the_sniff | would the reiserfs recover steps (the reiserfsck thing) not work for the root partition? |
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| 08:40.19 | linux_user400354 | jim, around? |
| 08:40.32 | sep | the_sniff, since you use reiserfs i assume you have awsome backups ? |
| 08:40.57 | linux_user400354 | jim: i think i know the problem now. thanks for your help. the problem is a bad hardware device in debian etch that made it unstable sid computer |
| 08:41.13 | linux_user400354 | bad hardware i need to remove from the machine |
| 08:41.15 | the_sniff | sep: no i've a month old of them, whats wrong with reiserfs? :X |
| 08:41.18 | linux_user400354 | hey jim |
| 08:41.37 | linux_user400354 | do you mind if i show you a picture of my debian-server and my fedora-desktop? |
| 08:41.50 | linux_user400354 | not screenshots |
| 08:42.00 | linux_user400354 | im talking about their guts |
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| 08:42.07 | jim | linux_user400354: sure |
| 08:42.25 | jim | ugh--- fear... -guts-? |
| 08:42.52 | the_sniff | bah |
| 08:43.01 | sep | !reiserfs |
| 08:43.01 | dpkg | somebody said reiserfs was a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 08:43.16 | the_sniff | im trying to umount / and it seems it happened but im still seeing it with mount |
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| 08:43.47 | sep | you can't unmount / if you use it. but you can remount it as RO |
| 08:44.18 | the_sniff | how? |
| 08:45.18 | sep | the_sniff, man mount |
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| 08:45.44 | the_sniff | uufff i think i rewrote everything. damn it. |
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| 08:47.29 | the_sniff | root@blue:/home# mount -r -o remount / |
| 08:47.30 | the_sniff | mount: / is busy |
| 08:47.44 | the_sniff | why is this? |
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| 08:48.00 | simonrvn | um, mount -o remount / |
| 08:48.30 | the_sniff | error writing /etc/mtab.tmp: No space left on device |
| 08:48.30 | the_sniff | bah |
| 08:48.37 | the_sniff | now i know i rewrote the whole partition |
| 08:48.47 | the_sniff | how freaking idiotic of me :( i hate not knowing :( |
| 08:48.51 | Roobarb | you can't unmount a filesystem that, by definition, you are always in |
| 08:48.56 | Roobarb | *in |
| 08:49.06 | Coke | I've got a computer with semi-new hardware in it, it requires 2.6.26, does this mean I cannot install Debian on it? |
| 08:49.08 | simonrvn | um, yes you can |
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| 08:49.22 | the_sniff | simonrvn: i wrote an image of the device on the device itself |
| 08:49.31 | the_sniff | did i ruin all possibility of a recovery? |
| 08:50.29 | simonrvn | the_sniff: oh no :(. mv the img somewhere |
| 08:50.47 | the_sniff | i can't see the other partition!! i meant to write it there :'((( helpppp |
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| 08:51.03 | Coke | Is there any way to get the Debian installer to boot with 2.6.26 using Jigdo, backports, whatever? |
| 08:51.25 | simonrvn | jigdo is probably your best bet |
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| 08:51.53 | simonrvn | goes ZZzzz... |
| 08:52.08 | Coke | simonrvn: I'm looking at it right now. |
| 08:52.16 | raul | hallo i am installing debian stable on a server with hardware raid controller on it |
| 08:52.19 | streuner_ | simonrvn: good night |
| 08:52.19 | kryptoz | simonrvn, I was looking for help in the morning with jigdo.. I wanted to upgrade my 4.0r1 ISO to lenny. |
| 08:52.35 | raul | on the raid utility everything works.. and the raid is initialized correctly |
| 08:52.42 | raul | on the debian installer i donnu how to use it |
| 08:52.49 | raul | cauz i see both of the two discs.. any help? |
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| 08:53.03 | kryptoz | Now I managed to start jigdo.. is there anyway I can findout how long more jigdo will take to update my first ISO ? |
| 08:53.04 | lynucs | lo there |
| 08:53.16 | kryptoz | any log file ? progress indication ? |
| 08:53.44 | lynucs | is there a package in etch repo for xara vector graphics? all i find is a package tool xara-gtk .oO |
| 08:54.30 | the_sniff | simonrvn: is it still possible? |
| 08:54.39 | the_sniff | the recover process |
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| 08:56.45 | Coke | Wow, even after reading the step-by-step instructions I have no idea what to do with Jigdo. |
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| 08:58.10 | Coke | I have to download already existing jigdo-files? I thought the point with jigdo was that you could pick the packages you wanted? |
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| 08:59.12 | lac | how do I manually force my system to know that the local time is not CEST but Daylight Savings? |
| 08:59.28 | azeem | Coke: no, the point is you can download the packages from your fastest mirror as opposed to whatever mirror provides ISO images |
| 08:59.40 | Coke | azeem: oh. |
| 09:00.05 | Coke | I was recommended Jigdo as a way to boot the installer with a recent kernel. |
| 09:00.07 | azeem | of course, if you hack the jigdo files, you can do what you mentioned as well I guess |
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| 09:00.30 | azeem | Coke: it's not trivial, but possible I guess |
| 09:00.34 | Coke | azeem: why not download the ISO from the fastest mirror instead? |
| 09:00.49 | azeem | Coke: because there's much fewer ISO mirrors than archive mirrors |
| 09:01.25 | solar_sea | Are there any debian netinstall images with support for modern hardware ? I just got a Q6600 with an abit mobo and a sata cdrom drive, the etch business card fails to detect both the cdrom and the ethernet :( |
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| 09:01.28 | Coke | azeem: oh, I guess living where I live I didn't realize some might not have access to the same bandwidth. |
| 09:01.41 | Coke | azeem: do you know if there's any way for me to get a Debian installer with 2.6.26? |
| 09:01.52 | azeem | Coke: it's probably much easier to do concurrent downloads that way |
| 09:01.56 | azeem | Coke: no |
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| 09:02.19 | streuner_ | Coke: ask #debian-boot (OFTC) |
| 09:02.37 | streuner_ | wait, 2.6.26? |
| 09:02.39 | streuner_ | wtf |
| 09:02.43 | streuner_ | !kernel |
| 09:02.45 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.24.4, prepatch: 2.6.25-rc8, 2.4: 2.4.36.2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.25-rc8-mm1 |
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| 09:03.23 | Legality | Hi |
| 09:03.55 | the_sniff | im not successful with remounting / ! :( help |
| 09:03.57 | Legality | Any ideas what could be the reason for a debian system *not* to use all the ram it has? For some reason our server is having load averages at 1-2 and only about 50% ram is used |
| 09:04.12 | Coke | streuner_: do you know if there's a way for me to find out if the e1000e (intel gigabit NIC driver) is available in previous versions? |
| 09:04.16 | Legality | and the box has been running normally for months |
| 09:04.19 | streuner_ | Legality: cat /proc /version |
| 09:04.26 | the_sniff | root@blue:/tmphda2# mount -r -o remount / |
| 09:04.26 | the_sniff | mount: / is busy |
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| 09:04.32 | streuner_ | Coke: it is |
| 09:04.34 | azeem | Legality: load average has nothing to do with memory |
| 09:04.52 | Legality | sure it has something to do with it |
| 09:05.00 | Legality | one way or another |
| 09:05.00 | Coke | streuner_: Ok, do you know in which version it was introduced? |
| 09:05.08 | streuner_ | apis:/# modinfo e1000 |
| 09:05.08 | streuner_ | filename: /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.ko |
| 09:05.09 | Legality | azeem: for example faulty mem? |
| 09:05.15 | azeem | Legality: huh? |
| 09:05.16 | Coke | streuner_: no e1000e |
| 09:05.22 | streuner_ | hm |
| 09:05.32 | Legality | streuner: no such file |
| 09:05.36 | streuner_ | description: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver |
| 09:05.38 | Coke | streuner_: actualy, the 2.6.18 kernel was unable to detect even the SATA drives correctly. |
| 09:05.50 | azeem | Coke: it's in .24 |
| 09:05.58 | Coke | streuner_: http://hardware4linux.info/module/e1000e/ |
| 09:06.02 | Legality | hmm.. no the load averages are dropping to the normal .04-.02 but the ram is still being free :) |
| 09:06.15 | Coke | azeem: any idea how I could make Debian boot the installer with a 2.6.24? |
| 09:06.20 | Legality | almost 1 gb of free ram, that's what's freaking me |
| 09:06.29 | Coke | I made a big mistake buying new hardware and expecting to install Linux on it without problem. :) |
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| 09:06.46 | azeem | Coke: (1) wait for etch/2 (2) see kmuto |
| 09:06.55 | Coke | kmuto? |
| 09:06.57 | streuner_ | Coke: kmuto made surely d-i with 2.6.24 |
| 09:07.01 | streuner_ | !kmuto |
| 09:07.01 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 09:07.04 | azeem | Coke: did you google it yet? |
| 09:07.14 | azeem | Legality: and you're sure your applications can use more memory? |
| 09:07.17 | Coke | azeem: yep. |
| 09:07.41 | Legality | azeem: apache, mysql, mail with 300 clients. It's a black hole for mem |
| 09:07.48 | Coke | azeem: this Intel hardware setup has caused problems on all distros not using bleeding edge kernels |
| 09:08.18 | Legality | weird is also that the la's are back down at .02 but I've never seen this much free ram on it |
| 09:08.41 | Legality | *.2 |
| 09:09.42 | Legality | well.. since everything else seems normal I sure won't try to fix something that might not be broken |
| 09:09.45 | Coke | streuner_: I was hoping that Intel would prove less difficult than nvidia. Had to run their proprietary drivers to get the NIC working for several months before the reverse engineered ones worked properly. |
| 09:11.38 | Coke | Man, I'm so tired of this crap. Can't Microsoft just quit making operating systems and stick with gaming consoles, leave the hardware vendors no choice but to go all Linux. |
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| 09:12.08 | the_sniff | Coke lol |
| 09:12.21 | Coke | the_sniff: it's not like they're any good at OS' anyway. |
| 09:12.35 | the_sniff | microsoft oss? |
| 09:12.37 | the_sniff | yes there are |
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| 09:16.05 | maligor | Coke, good plan, they'd run out of money after a few years and die away |
| 09:16.41 | Coke | maligor: yeah, they're bleeding from the x-box stuff |
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| 09:16.54 | Coke | maligor: really weird, because they are quite good at making games, but suck at real computing. |
| 09:16.55 | azeem | Coke: please keep it on topi |
| 09:16.56 | azeem | c |
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| 09:17.27 | Coke | azeem: sure. sorry for disturbing the ongoing discussion. |
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| 09:17.37 | azeem | thanks |
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| 09:18.09 | bertvdp | hi, can someone help me with this: X is running on tty7, I'm logged in using ssh (/dev/pts/0), how can I now send command so that an X application can start ? |
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| 09:18.54 | Coke | bertvdp: you have to enable X forwarding |
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| 09:19.07 | Coke | bertvdp: in your sshd_config (on the server) make sure X11Forwarding is Yes (or something like that) |
| 09:19.08 | bertvdp | Coke: and how do I do that (never heard of it) |
| 09:19.17 | the_sniff | I HATE RM!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:19.24 | azeem | that doesn't start X apps on the remote side though |
| 09:19.31 | azeem | but where you started ssh from |
| 09:19.35 | Coke | bertvdp: then, when you connect you can either change your personal ssh-config to always use x-forward mode, or connect using ssh -X <your host> |
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| 09:20.17 | Coke | bertvdp: then you just start your application on your remote prompt as usual. If your X-forwarding is setup correctly echo $DISPLAY should print something like localhost:10.0 |
| 09:20.47 | bertvdp | Coke: sshd_config, is that a gconf, a .sshd_config or /etc/whatever setting ? |
| 09:21.00 | cusco | hello good morning |
| 09:21.08 | Aleksander-pl | Hello. I am trying to configure VMware Server and I can't set up bridged networking for my ath0 - where can I find WHY? |
| 09:21.14 | azeem | bertvdp: where do you want the X app to start? on the box you're sshing from, or on the box you're sshing into? |
| 09:21.27 | Aleksander-pl | it simply says "failed" when I run vmware-config.pl |
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| 09:21.33 | Coke | bertvdp: configuration files should roam under /etc |
| 09:21.40 | kryptoz | bertvdp, try "ssh -X user@hostname" and try run the application in console. it should bring up the gui in your desktop if an xserver is running. |
| 09:21.42 | bertvdp | on the box that I have the connection with (so not my computer but the other one |
| 09:21.44 | Coke | bertvdp: all that gconf and non-standard crap is just useless |
| 09:22.06 | cusco | Im using madwifi and I can't figure out why the hell I have an ath0:0 |
| 09:22.12 | azeem | Coke: can you explain how SSH X forwarding will accomplish what bertvdp is trying to do? |
| 09:22.13 | Coke | bertvdp: on debian it's under /etc/ssh/sshd_config by default |
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| 09:22.32 | Coke | azeem: he's trying to run an X application remotely. |
| 09:22.41 | cusco | wichhas the IP I wasnted on ath0 assigned to it, thus ath0 taking another ip |
| 09:22.50 | azeem | and X11 forwarding is running remote X applications locally |
| 09:22.52 | azeem | AFAIK |
| 09:23.03 | Coke | azeem: indeed. |
| 09:23.06 | azeem | so? |
| 09:23.16 | Coke | azeem: exactly, so? |
| 09:23.21 | azeem | he wants to run a remote application remotely |
| 09:23.25 | bertvdp | if I do ssh -X username@host, the program is run here and not on the remote host |
| 09:23.34 | Coke | bertvdp: no, the program runs remotely |
| 09:23.40 | Coke | bertvdp: you just see the X11 interface locally |
| 09:23.41 | kryptoz | mia culpa.. |
| 09:23.44 | bertvdp | I'm testing now |
| 09:24.09 | azeem | Coke: which is not what he wants |
| 09:24.28 | bertvdp | and if I'm logged in this way ssh -X pieter@192.168.1.102 and then call zenity --info "hello" it shows here and not on the remote computer |
| 09:24.30 | azeem | bertvdp: maybe you should explain why you want to run the app remotely in the first place |
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| 09:25.09 | kryptoz | thats strange why someone ssh to a machine and run a application there and worry about the gui here ? x11vnc ? |
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| 09:25.22 | bertvdp | I want to help my brother with certain things but without having to run vnc stuff |
| 09:25.28 | Coke | bertvdp: that's easy, if you have access to a running X session you can just start the application. |
| 09:25.37 | Coke | bertvdp: you can direct it to any X display using the DISPLAY variable |
| 09:25.54 | Coke | bertvdp: but you will not be able to control or access that program |
| 09:25.55 | kryptoz | xdmcp ? |
| 09:25.57 | bertvdp | Coke: where can I find out how to use th DISPLAY stuff |
| 09:26.14 | Coke | bertvdp: xorg docs or possible older xfree86 docs. |
| 09:26.15 | bertvdp | Coke: I don't have to control or access it, it just has to start |
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| 09:26.37 | Coke | bertvdp: all DISPLAY does is tell the X application on what X session to display on |
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| 09:27.07 | bertvdp | Coke: can you quickly explain me how it works, is it a command or a var I have to add to every command ? |
| 09:27.54 | Coke | bertvdp: every X session is bound to a display. First one is 0. You can select it while starting X using switches somehow, don't remember. Each application that uses the x libraries should be able to parse the usual X arguments on the prompt. |
| 09:28.12 | Coke | bertvdp: many use something like -display 0:0 to specify a display explicitly. |
| 09:28.38 | Coke | bertvdp: if the option is missing, they check the DISPLAY variable, if that fails they probably default to 0 or exit with an error. |
| 09:28.39 | bertvdp | Coke: okey, I just found out that I can retrieve the number by calling export |
| 09:28.51 | Coke | bertvdp: no, you set the number using export |
| 09:29.21 | bertvdp | Coke: okey |
| 09:29.30 | Coke | bertvdp: DISPLAY is an environment variable and can be set and retrieved using the regular BASH interface for variables. |
| 09:29.40 | Coke | bertvdp: echo $DISPLAY -> prints it |
| 09:30.02 | bertvdp | Coke: echo $DISPLAY return a white space |
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| 09:30.20 | Coke | bertvdp: even if you set the correct DISPLAY, I think Debian by default will disallow users that didn't start the X display to connect applications to it. |
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| 09:30.37 | Coke | Not sure though, I haven't done this in around 8 years. |
| 09:30.44 | cusco | echo $DISPLAY as a normal user |
| 09:30.46 | cusco | not as root |
| 09:31.05 | bertvdp | cusco: I do |
| 09:31.24 | Coke | bertvdp: if DISPLAY is unset, you can set it using export DISPLAY=0.0 |
| 09:31.44 | bertvdp | okey |
| 09:31.48 | Coke | bertvdp: unless you use X-forwarding with SSH it will not set the DISPLAY-variable, assuming that you will not be using X. |
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| 09:32.02 | bertvdp | Coke: aaah, okey |
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| 09:32.15 | Coke | If you use X-forwarding it will set it to 10.0 (or the configured offset) which is a virtual display that simply forwards it to your local 0.0 display. |
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| 09:32.44 | themill | only if you had ssh -X to start with. In which case, DISPLAY should already be set |
| 09:33.03 | kiahjko | hi! Ive changed the hostname of my computer after installation, but it seems to me it gets reset at reboot, is there some kind of rc-script for this? |
| 09:33.21 | bertvdp | Coke: so now I did the export thing, if I want to do like zenity --info "hello", what should I add to it ? |
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| 09:33.31 | themill | !hostname |
| 09:33.31 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 09:33.59 | Coke | bertvdp: nothing |
| 09:34.13 | Coke | bertvdp: I already told you, it will check the DISPLAY variable. |
| 09:34.37 | bertvdp | Coke: so it should automagically forward it to X running on tty7 ? |
| 09:34.49 | Coke | bertvdp: it's not a tty |
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| 09:35.01 | Coke | bertvdp: and it won't have to forward since it's on the same host |
| 09:35.16 | Coke | bertvdp: but it will use the display set in the DISPLAY variable |
| 09:35.28 | bertvdp | Coke: well, it doesn't start, it gives the error: (zenity:6131): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 09:35.47 | Coke | bertvdp: is X running? |
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| 09:36.20 | Coke | bertvdp: try ps -Af | grep X |
| 09:36.36 | Coke | bertvdp: on my system it will show you a line like "/usr/bin/X :0 -dpi 96 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth vt7" |
| 09:36.58 | Coke | bertvdp: from it I see that X is started on display 0 and it will require authentication in order to connect. |
| 09:37.19 | bertvdp | Coke: root 5141 5138 11 09:26 tty7 00:14:39 /usr/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 |
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| 09:37.33 | Coke | bertvdp: try starting your program as root. |
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| 09:37.59 | bertvdp | Coke: still the same error if I start it as root (using sudo) |
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| 09:38.25 | themill | bertvdp: does running a program as a non-root user work with x forwarding for you? (e.g. xterm) |
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| 09:39.05 | bertvdp | themill: so you mean if I do ssh -X user@host and then just do zenity --info "hello", then yes |
| 09:39.23 | Coke | bertvdp: forget about -X, you don't need x-forwarding. |
| 09:39.37 | bertvdp | Coke: yeah, I know but themill asked |
| 09:39.40 | Coke | bertvdp: I thought you wanted to run remote applications locally, never thought anybody wanted to start applications for someone else. :) |
| 09:39.51 | bertvdp | Coke: well, I do :p |
| 09:40.08 | Coke | bertvdp: or, if you have a chat program started (or a cellphone) just give him a nudge and tell him to start the program himself |
| 09:40.09 | themill | is thoroughly confused about what bertvdp is trying to do |
| 09:40.39 | Coke | bertvdp: it's very odd. my root user can start X apps here. |
| 09:40.40 | bertvdp | themill: I want to start programs on X on another PC via an SSH connection |
| 09:40.56 | the_sniff | i hate myself |
| 09:40.56 | the_sniff | :( |
| 09:40.58 | themill | bertvdp: and where do you want the graphical output to be displayed? |
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| 09:41.07 | Coke | themill: on the remote machine, oddly enough |
| 09:41.14 | bertvdp | themill: on the X screen of the remote machine |
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| 09:41.30 | bertvdp | Coke: can you tell me what your steps are ? |
| 09:41.56 | the_sniff | can anyone help me mount / as read only? i can't seem to d o it |
| 09:42.07 | Roobarb | mount -o ro / |
| 09:42.07 | Coke | bertvdp: I logon to the machine, sudo su; export DISPLAY=":0.0"; xmessage "Hello world!" |
| 09:42.31 | Coke | actualy, the ! must be esacped. |
| 09:42.33 | themill | bertvdp: ok. That's quite doable. Can you su to the user that you need to run the program as? |
| 09:42.33 | Roobarb | mount -o remount,ro /, even |
| 09:42.51 | lynucs | which package should i install to get gtk+ dev libs under etch? |
| 09:42.52 | Coke | (hint use ' instead of ") |
| 09:43.33 | bertvdp | Coke: if I do exactly the same I get : Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
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| 09:43.43 | bertvdp | Coke: Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 09:43.54 | bertvdp | Coke: and then Error: Can't open display: :0.0 |
| 09:44.22 | themill | bertvdp: is your user logged to the X session on the remote machine? or is it another user? |
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| 09:45.11 | bertvdp | pieter is logged in on the X session and I ssh using pieter@host |
| 09:45.16 | bertvdp | Coke |
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| 09:45.56 | the_sniff | Roobarb: root@blue:/etc# mount -o remount,ro / |
| 09:45.56 | the_sniff | mount: / is busy |
| 09:46.10 | bertvdp | Coke: pieter is logged in on the X session and I ssh using pieter@host |
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| 09:46.21 | liable | slashdot is annoying the shit out me lately. does anyone else get stuck in an adserver loop with the weasel? page never bloody loads, just loops between adservers. |
| 09:46.38 | Roobarb | the_sniff: indeed; your current working directory is within that filesystem (and almost certainly your system will have open filehandles on that filesystem |
| 09:46.51 | themill | liable: no, adblock works just nicely... |
| 09:46.59 | gans | how to copy the vfat file to my pc (linux) |
| 09:47.02 | liable | i have adblock too.. |
| 09:47.16 | debian | Hello |
| 09:47.16 | themill | liable: :( |
| 09:47.21 | debian | is back |
| 09:47.31 | the_sniff | Roobarb i have to lock it :( |
| 09:47.40 | bertvdp | Coke: are you still there ? |
| 09:47.53 | mirco | Has someone experience with snmpd to share, can't get mine to share it's data over the net only localhost works.... |
| 09:47.53 | Roobarb | the_sniff: "lock it" ? |
| 09:48.00 | jim | bertvdp: both debian machines? |
| 09:48.16 | bertvdp | jim: mine is debian bro's ubuntu |
| 09:48.32 | jim | xbase-clients installed on both? |
| 09:48.37 | the_sniff | Roobarb yes, make it read only |
| 09:48.56 | debian | Is ophcrack in my respitories? |
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| 09:49.04 | Roobarb | the_sniff: because? |
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| 09:49.15 | the_sniff | i've screwed up files and i want to recover |
| 09:49.17 | bertvdp | jim: yes they are installed |
| 09:49.30 | Roobarb | the_sniff: you'll need to boot from a rescue CD |
| 09:50.08 | jim | so, fire up a terminal window |
| 09:50.17 | jim | oh wait... |
| 09:50.22 | bertvdp | jim: yes ? |
| 09:50.25 | the_sniff | Roobarb im remote :( |
| 09:50.27 | jim | what are the names of the boxes? |
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| 09:50.47 | bertvdp | jim: my computer is called berts-desktop and my bro's is called pieters-desktop |
| 09:50.52 | gans | how to copy the vfat file to my pc (linux) |
| 09:51.04 | jim | and you want to do what? |
| 09:51.11 | Roobarb | the_sniff: I'm sorry to hear that. It would appear you have fubar'd your system. |
| 09:51.42 | bertvdp | jim: I want to start programs on my brother's computer from my computer using ssh |
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| 09:52.11 | jim | bertvd: so what's your first step? |
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| 09:52.26 | bertvdp | jim: ssh pieter@192.168.1.102 |
| 09:52.50 | bertvdp | jim: then I do export DISPLAY="0.0" |
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| 09:52.59 | bertvdp | jim: then echo $DISPLAY |
| 09:52.59 | jim | and 192.168.1.102 is pieters-desktop? |
| 09:53.10 | bertvdp | jim: yes, I use IPs |
| 09:53.12 | jim | oh, there's a problem |
| 09:53.24 | bertvdp | jim: tell me... |
| 09:53.36 | jim | don't change DISPLAY |
| 09:53.42 | mne | bertvdp, i guess it should be "DISPLAY=":0.0" ? |
| 09:53.44 | jim | see if it's set already |
| 09:53.51 | themill | bertvdp: do you put a : in that export line |
| 09:54.06 | bertvdp | themill: nope |
| 09:54.10 | jim | guys, DISPLAY should already be set |
| 09:54.12 | themill | jim: it shouldn't be... this is to start the program with the display on remote machine |
| 09:54.17 | bertvdp | mne: :0.0 gives more errors |
| 09:54.34 | bertvdp | jim: if I do echo $DISPLAY I get white space |
| 09:54.40 | themill | bertvdp: export DISPLAY=":0.0" |
| 09:54.43 | themill | should be right |
| 09:55.31 | jim | ok, see if pieters-desktop:/etc/ssh/sshd-config has x forwarding enabled |
| 09:55.46 | bertvdp | themill: if I do that and call a program I get the XLib error connection to ":0.0" refused by server and Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 09:55.58 | bertvdp | jim: could be, I don't know |
| 09:56.02 | themill | jim: x forwarding is irrelevant to this |
| 09:56.12 | mne | i would like to use on of my (internal) usb devices in vmware. Since vmware needs to claim the USB device, i would need to disconnect/eject the usb device on my linux (host) box first ? I think there was a command to do that, but I cannot remember it. can someone give me a hint ? |
| 09:56.43 | jim | themill: then I'm not understanding what he wants to do |
| 09:57.09 | mne | bertvdp, what are you actually trying to do ? (i just joined) |
| 09:57.31 | bertvdp | mne: I want to run X programs remotly on another machine with ssh |
| 09:57.47 | themill | mne, jim: don't worry.. it took me a couple of goes too! He wants to start an ssh session to another machine and run an X app with the display on the _remote_ machine (not on the ssh client). i.e. x forwarding not required. |
| 09:58.05 | bertvdp | mne: so like this: I start an ssh connection, send a command like "zenity --info 'hello'" and it displays on the remote X |
| 09:58.06 | jim | ohh |
| 09:58.09 | mne | well, just running the program is no problem ... |
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| 09:59.20 | mne | just login to the machine, export DISPLAY ("export DISPLAY=":0.0") and start the program. also the xserver needs to accept the connection. This works with xhost. If I remember correctly, "xhost +" disables access control |
| 09:59.31 | themill | ewww |
| 09:59.34 | bertvdp | mne jim themill: I was just looking around in sshd_config and I found this: X11DisplayOffset 10, does that mean something |
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| 10:00.04 | mne | however, you won't be able to see the program. you can just start it. If I want to do that, i use "x11vnc". |
| 10:00.05 | jim | well actually what you want to do is not the normal thing, so no, it's not relevent |
| 10:00.18 | bertvdp | mne: I don't have to see it |
| 10:00.29 | themill | bertvdp: when logged into the remote machine does "xauth list" produce any output? |
| 10:01.00 | bertvdp | themill: it says xauth: creating new authority file /root/.Xauthority |
| 10:01.01 | mne | bertvdp, well, then disabling access controls "xhost +" and an 'export DISPLAY=":0.0"' should be enough |
| 10:01.13 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 10:01.13 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd149 is <goccia> anyway : what it is most important to me is getting three times in a row a y/n question doing the libc6 install-dance and watching a stopping starting done daemon sequence ending in perfection: whoever has done this, i mean a three questions in a row, well is a great person |
| 10:01.26 | jim | you're logged in as root? |
| 10:01.30 | themill | bertvdp: hang on... aren't you trying to do this as pieter or something? You shouldn't be trying to do this as root/ |
| 10:01.38 | jim | the server is running as root? |
| 10:01.54 | bertvdp | jim the mill: yes, I'm going to normal user (pieter) now |
| 10:02.11 | jim | I am a mill! |
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| 10:02.30 | themill | :) |
| 10:02.34 | bertvdp | jim: sorry, lol :P |
| 10:03.16 | bertvdp | jim, themill: if I do xauth list as pieter I get 3 lines, on is: pieters-desktop/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 052a605b518615b015f21e52286b2750 |
| 10:03.33 | bertvdp | jim, themill: the second is: localhost.localdomain/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 052a605b518615b015f21e52286b2750 |
| 10:03.48 | bertvdp | jim, themill: the third is pieters-desktop/unix:10 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 25a59c853ef1d669a5096a465fe394e2 |
| 10:03.57 | themill | bertvdp: ok. that's a good start. That means you can read the xauth |
| 10:04.00 | jim | ok, now try it |
| 10:04.13 | mne | bertvdp, for testing i would temporarily disable access control. you can play with that later, right ? |
| 10:04.15 | themill | bertvdp: be careful about the : in that export line |
| 10:04.17 | jim | set DISPLAY |
| 10:04.23 | jim | and then run a proggy |
| 10:04.53 | bertvdp | jim, mne, themill: so now I should do export DISPLAY=":0.0" and then run something ? |
| 10:05.01 | jim | yes |
| 10:05.04 | mne | yep |
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| 10:05.08 | themill | bertvdp: yep. should be enough |
| 10:05.10 | jim | it otter work now |
| 10:05.58 | jim | do it wok? |
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| 10:06.23 | liable | otters with woks!?!!? |
| 10:06.25 | bertvdp | jim, themill, mne: IT WORKS!!!!! :D:D:D |
| 10:06.37 | bertvdp | jim, themill,mne: thank you very very very much |
| 10:06.38 | mne | hehe |
| 10:06.40 | mne | np |
| 10:06.43 | themill | :) |
| 10:06.44 | jim | otter woks |
| 10:06.47 | jim | in a box |
| 10:06.52 | liable | tasty |
| 10:07.06 | themill | lies on his back and cracks open some shellfish |
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| 10:07.29 | liable | bastard, you just made me think of mudcrab |
| 10:07.38 | themill | hmmm.... mudcrab.... |
| 10:07.54 | themill | haven't had a muddie in long time |
| 10:08.13 | liable | chilli mudcrab *drool* |
| 10:08.54 | themill | not convinced about the chilli bit... bit overpowering perhaps |
| 10:09.17 | liable | nah, they saute it still in the shell, so its quite mild really. |
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| 10:12.57 | themill | hmmm.... with lime juice too? |
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| 10:13.43 | liable | lime or lemon |
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| 10:15.56 | liable | is hungry now. all thats in the house is noodles or baked beans :( |
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| 10:16.08 | Lagbolt | mmm beans lol |
| 10:16.34 | jim | baked noodle bean fishcake mayo bananas! |
| 10:17.04 | sajes | This might sound like a stupid question, but why isn't compiz turning into a cube when I press my middle mouse button on the desktop? Google turns nothing up, and I've looked through the settings. What am I missing? |
| 10:17.21 | sajes | Also, I'm using Gnome. |
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| 10:28.00 | Joelio | alright chaps.. running lenny at the moment and when I come to install ia32-libs_2.2_amd64.deb, there's an error saying that there isn't enough space on the drive, but there's 2.6G available on /var and 1.7G on /usr ??? |
| 10:28.24 | Joelio | is the install script trying to use a / (or something in there) that only has about 40m free? |
| 10:29.01 | nkuttler | Joelio: find out /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.foo |
| 10:30.49 | Joelio | nkuttler: there is no /var/lib/dpkg/info/ia32-libs |
| 10:30.55 | liable | Joelio: /tmp maybe? |
| 10:30.56 | Joelio | or anything similar |
| 10:31.33 | Joelio | ? |
| 10:31.43 | Joelio | . /tmp hyas 500M |
| 10:32.46 | themill | Joelio: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/amd64/ia32-libs/filelist |
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| 10:36.18 | Joelio | themill: I created a symlink from /emul to a directory in my home area... now I'm getting unable to create `./emul/ia32-linux/lib/libattr.so.1.1.0': No such file or directory |
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| 10:41.39 | Tadej | Hello |
| 10:41.52 | Tadej | Is there any 3gp to avi converters for linux? |
| 10:42.25 | nkuttler | mencoder probably |
| 10:42.29 | petemc | or ffmpeg |
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| 10:44.16 | liable | or avidemux |
| 10:44.16 | Tadej | petemc; how do I use ffmpeg to convert? |
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| 10:45.52 | petemc | Tadej: its documented, ffmpeg -i foo.avi -vcodec foo -acodec bar -y baz.mp4 |
| 10:46.06 | petemc | like that, but different |
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| 10:47.00 | Tadej | thanks |
| 10:47.02 | milligan | my nm-applet (gnome-network-manager) isn't showing my WIFI card (so I can't connect to a wlan using it). My user is in the netdev group. What might be wrong ? |
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| 10:47.58 | magnusth | milligan: is the correct kernel module loaded? |
| 10:48.07 | magnusth | can you connect manually (ifup)? |
| 10:48.15 | milligan | magnusth, I can connect manually, yes. |
| 10:48.37 | ^lam64^ | what is the command to test iso image file with qemu plz |
| 10:48.42 | liable | have you logged out since adding to netdev? |
| 10:48.50 | milligan | liable, yep. Twice ;) |
| 10:48.58 | liable | iirc, you shouldnt have any stanzas for that card in interfaces |
| 10:49.02 | tarzeau | ^lam64^: qemu -boot d -cdrom binary.iso -m 256 -soundhw sb16 |
| 10:49.06 | magnusth | milligan: gnome-nw has been a bit flaky in the past... there are supposed to be better ones, which integrate with Gnome as well |
| 10:49.36 | milligan | magnusth, Know any good ones of head you could recommend? Prefferably a lightweight one, as this is a eee pc. |
| 10:49.40 | magnusth | just can't remember the name of any right now :( |
| 10:49.43 | milligan | ah |
| 10:49.56 | ^lam64^ | thanks |
| 10:51.18 | themill | milligan: have you looked at /usr/share/doc/network-manager/* |
| 10:51.33 | magnusth | milligan: http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ maybe |
| 10:52.09 | themill | milligan: (in particular /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian) |
| 10:52.21 | liable | milligan: comment out any block in interfaces for that card and restart it |
| 10:52.41 | ^lam64^ | it is on my desktop hurd-tiny-cd-mark-8.iso |
| 10:52.52 | milligan | liable, I found that ubuntu wiki aswell ;) |
| 10:53.22 | liable | eh? i didnt read no stinkin ubuntu wiki.. |
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| 10:53.56 | milligan | Oh .. I stumbeled over this, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=229751 , about 10 secs before your comment ... bootin the machine now to see if it does the trick |
| 10:54.00 | milligan | crosses his fingers |
| 10:54.14 | liable | see my previous comment. |
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| 10:54.35 | milligan | yep |
| 10:54.57 | niru | I am getting this warning for apt-get update |
| 10:54.58 | niru | W: GPG error: http://packages.bosslinux.in anant Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY C92EF8DCFB9E2D0C |
| 10:54.58 | niru | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 10:55.06 | niru | how to import the public key |
| 10:55.16 | liable | !topicsmite niru |
| 10:55.16 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon niru. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 10:55.32 | themill | !tell niru about apt-key DCFB9E2D0C |
| 10:55.58 | milligan | Massive. Works. |
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| 10:57.15 | magnusth | milligan: you like your eee? |
| 10:57.17 | milligan | Thanks liable :) |
| 10:57.22 | milligan | magnusth, so far, I'm loving it. |
| 10:57.27 | liable | np |
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| 10:58.08 | milligan | magnusth, suits my needs perfectly. I need something small and lightweight with decent battery capacity. All I do really is program and jot down notes from customer meetings and stuff. |
| 10:58.13 | magnusth | milligan: cool, have been considering buying one, just need to find a good reason to spend the money on it ;) |
| 10:58.38 | magnusth | milligan: what do you program on it? (language, framework, etc..) |
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| 10:59.07 | magnusth | needs a better reason for buying an eee pc than âI want that one!â |
| 10:59.26 | liable | why? |
| 10:59.27 | milligan | magnusth, I only got it a couple days ago, so I've only been doing c++ so far. I might do some .NET in the future though. |
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| 11:00.03 | magnusth | milligan: ah, is mono running well on it? |
| 11:00.21 | milligan | magnusth, haven't tried yet .. but everything else is running perfectly, so I don't see why not :) |
| 11:00.32 | magnusth | nice! |
| 11:00.45 | milligan | installing ubuntu from a usb stick went without a single glitch .. getting this gnome applet running was my first obstacle. |
| 11:00.48 | milligan | errr |
| 11:00.52 | milligan | ubuntu .. what the hell |
| 11:00.54 | milligan | debian ofc. |
| 11:01.02 | magnusth | lol, yes |
| 11:01.03 | debian | milligan: What about me? |
| 11:01.13 | milligan | debian, I put you on my eee |
| 11:01.24 | magnusth | well, I'll have to start taking the bus to work soon it seems, and I could use something light to pass time with |
| 11:02.06 | milligan | magnusth, would suit you perfectly then ... also the atheros wnic makes the machine great for linux on wlan. |
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| 11:02.35 | milligan | Depends what you want to do on it though.. considering the screen is 7", you're not going to have a blast watching The Matrix fullscreen |
| 11:03.04 | magnusth | milligan, no, more into reading stuff I think, and maybe tinkering with Haskell on it for fun |
| 11:03.22 | milligan | tinkering is the key word I recon. |
| 11:04.36 | milligan | brb - lunch |
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| 11:06.43 | raju | how to copy the vfat files to dektop from usb |
| 11:06.53 | raju | how to copy the vfat files to desktop from usb |
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| 11:07.05 | quentusrex | How do I get my system to shutdown when I press the power button? |
| 11:07.16 | quentusrex | I want to be able to tap the power button to shut down my system. |
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| 11:08.38 | liable | install acpi-support |
| 11:08.46 | liable | should have a powerbutton script |
| 11:09.50 | mypapit | kilat!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gtg |
| 11:10.19 | niru | themill, still getting the save warning |
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| 11:13.25 | efaistos_ | what do you use to make images of boxes which have LVM ? |
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| 11:16.06 | Stonekeeper | hi there. Is it possible to do some kind of live upgrade from debian 32bit -> 64bit? For some weird reason, the 64bit cd just wont boot on this server, ven though the md5sum is correct and other cds do. I've tried 2 copies. Live update seems my only hope. thanks. |
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| 11:18.20 | sep | Stonekeeper, chroot install should work |
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| 11:19.21 | Stonekeeper | sep: you think that might work off, say, a ubuntu live cd? loopback mount the ISO or something? |
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| 11:21.49 | sep | Stonekeeper, i dont know ubuntu i am afraid. but unless it's something odd there i can't see why not |
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| 11:23.01 | Stonekeeper | hmm... could i do some kind of net-install from a live cd system? that's an option. I have a fast connection to the internet |
| 11:24.38 | sep | Stonekeeper, you could try the amd64 netinstall cd |
| 11:24.58 | sep | or the multiarch dvd |
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| 11:26.27 | FlaPer87 | hey guys |
| 11:26.36 | FlaPer87 | is there a way to restore the pkgconfig folder? |
| 11:27.18 | FlaPer87 | i don't know why or how, but all the files that where in my /usr/lib/pkgconfig disapeared |
| 11:27.21 | FlaPer87 | Debian Sid |
| 11:27.23 | FlaPer87 | :-D |
| 11:27.35 | pgpkeys | waits for it |
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| 11:33.12 | sep | FlaPer87, restore from backup if you can, or if you can not. try something like dpkg -la |awk '{print $2}' |xargs dpkg -L |grep /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ | xargs dpkg -S to get a list of packages that you can reinstall to recover those files |
| 11:34.11 | FlaPer87 | sep but i tryed reinstalling a package and it didn't restore the .pc file :-$ |
| 11:34.19 | FlaPer87 | sep i don't understand why |
| 11:35.35 | sep | i just tested, and it worked here |
| 11:35.52 | sep | make sure your have room on the drive. and permissions is ok |
| 11:36.04 | sep | that nothing is mouted over the directory |
| 11:36.06 | sep | things like that |
| 11:37.22 | FlaPer87 | sep what do you mean with something mouted over the directory? |
| 11:37.48 | sep | mounted over the dir |
| 11:37.54 | sep | type mount |
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| 11:38.05 | FlaPer87 | sep hehe got it |
| 11:38.25 | yang | I am having some trouble answering iax2 on the same machine - http://openpaste.org/en/5912/ |
| 11:39.04 | simmerz | i've changed my /etc/exports file for an nfs mount to add permissions for my ip address to be able to mount my nfs backup space |
| 11:39.15 | FlaPer87 | sep anyway, you said something about restoring from backup, does pkgconfig has a backup? |
| 11:39.16 | simmerz | however, when I try and mount it, it tells me permission denied. |
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| 11:39.32 | simmerz | what do I need to restart service wise to get it up? it works from other locations |
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| 11:41.46 | Esaj | how do I undo an apt-get install operation that I just did? |
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| 11:42.03 | Esaj | I just installed a package along with about 45 dependencies, and I'm wondering if there's an easy way to uninstall them too? |
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| 11:43.14 | themill | Esaj: if you are using apt-get from lenny that's easy enough. |
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| 11:43.35 | Esaj | themill: I'm using etch |
| 11:43.36 | themill | Esaj: Or if you were using aptitude from etch (or later) that's easy enough. |
| 11:44.18 | Esaj | themill: how would I go about doing it on etch? |
| 11:44.57 | themill | Esaj: if you had used aptitude, then you could have just let aptitude remove the automatically installed packages. (that's why the install guide tells you that aptitude is now the preferred method of installing packages) |
| 11:45.16 | Esaj | themill: ah, ok, I used apt-get unfortunately |
| 11:45.30 | Esaj | themill: I'll just have to uninstall manually by going through the logs... |
| 11:45.34 | themill | Esaj: As you haven't used aptitude, you will have to use apt-get remove and then start copy-pasting package names from your scrollback :) |
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| 11:47.10 | brawny | hey guys |
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| 11:48.36 | brawny | ? |
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| 11:50.14 | chrix | where can i found driver support list.. |
| 11:50.18 | chrix | can't find when i google |
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| 11:51.35 | themill | !tell chrix about hcl |
| 11:51.46 | cromag | !hcl |
| 11:51.46 | dpkg | i heard hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
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| 11:52.05 | cromag | hmm i belive theres another one. |
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| 11:52.24 | Waistless | hey need quick wireless help |
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| 11:52.37 | cromag | chrix: you are not talking about hardware support list ? |
| 11:52.40 | Waistless | wlan0 appears to be up and running but the internet isn't working on epiphany |
| 11:53.00 | Waistless | can someone give me some useful terminal commands. iwconfig and ifconfig seem to say it's up |
| 11:53.10 | Faithful | how do I get a list of packages so that I might replicate it on another box? |
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| 11:53.44 | Waistless | it's got an IP address and everything it's up but epiphany won't work can someone give me a test command to confirm internet is working? |
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| 11:56.03 | Waistless | ^....please? |
| 11:56.28 | chrix | cromag: correct |
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| 11:57.09 | cromag | my bad then. |
| 11:57.13 | Waistless | it's pinging 192.168.1.1 but epiphany won't connect to the internet. does anyone know why? |
| 11:57.39 | cromag | but if it could help - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport |
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| 11:58.38 | Waistless | don't worry now i pinged google it works |
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| 12:02.20 | TwistOfFate | having problems installing debian. help. |
| 12:02.22 | yang | Is there anything special required for hylafax FaxDispatch option to receive faxes as pdf? |
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| 12:03.03 | Stonekeeper | this is weird |
| 12:03.04 | Waistless | twistoffate: what's happening? i just installed debian just got internet working on it :) |
| 12:03.18 | Stonekeeper | these servers just will not boot a 64bit version of debian |
| 12:04.21 | TwistOfFate | i'm installing debian 4.0r0 in vmware. |
| 12:04.36 | Stonekeeper | xeons are 64bit right? or am i going crazy? |
| 12:04.40 | TwistOfFate | it checks for security updates, and goes to download packages |
| 12:04.46 | TwistOfFate | retrieves all the files and locks up |
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| 12:06.09 | Waistless | maybe it's trying to write to something when it can't? |
| 12:06.26 | Waistless | no clue just a guess, never used vmware :( |
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| 12:11.24 | tarzeau | does debian work on a sun blade 100 sparc? it stops when it says "booting linux" |
| 12:12.02 | TwistOfFate | so nobody can help me? |
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| 12:15.40 | ranix^ | tarzeau: yes, it should. |
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| 12:16.14 | Lagbolt | TwistOfFate, during installation i assume? |
| 12:16.28 | TwistOfFate | yeah that's correct. |
| 12:16.33 | tarzeau | ranix^: it doesn't here |
| 12:16.43 | tarzeau | ranix^: which debian do you run on it? which installer (netboot?) |
| 12:16.58 | Lagbolt | did you check the output? switch the the output term, i think 4 during the installer |
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| 12:17.32 | TwistOfFate | alt+f4? |
| 12:17.35 | Lagbolt | TwistOfFate, Alt-F4 should get you there, maybe its 5, not sure but one of them shows whats going on during installation |
| 12:17.41 | PoWeRKiLL | hi |
| 12:17.47 | TwistOfFate | oh ok |
| 12:17.50 | ranix^ | tarzeau: probably the 'sparc' netinst should work fine, I would install with no installation packages (not even base system) and just manually load packages. |
| 12:17.51 | TwistOfFate | well i haven't checked that. |
| 12:18.09 | Lagbolt | TwistOfFate, it might just be hung on the server, might try a diff mirror |
| 12:18.11 | ranix^ | tarzeau: It's definitely a sparc architecture, right? |
| 12:18.15 | Stonekeeper | ffs, my xeons are 32bit after all |
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| 12:18.33 | PoWeRKiLL | Any idea how to install debian etch on a server that need the it8213 IDE device driver at install ? |
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| 12:19.01 | tarzeau | ranix^: it looks so, i'm not sure |
| 12:19.03 | tarzeau | ranix^: let me try a cd... |
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| 12:19.21 | laurly | is there an easy way to send an email from a shell script? |
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| 12:20.37 | tarzeau | laurly: nail |
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| 12:23.47 | iateadonut | many many questions... one, does software update only give you updates of packages you already have installed, or does it just recommend every new package there is? |
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| 12:24.18 | solar_sea | "E: Method http has died unexpectedly! E: Method /usr/lib/apt/methods/http did not start correctly" - happens whenever I try to use apt-get install X or or do apt-get update. what could be wrong ? [i'm using debian lenny i386, bigmem kernel] |
| 12:24.57 | solar_sea | Also, /usr/lib/apt/methods# ./http results in : Segmentation fault |
| 12:25.11 | smaug9 | iateadonut: apt-get updgrade should only give you upgrades for currently installed packages |
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| 12:25.35 | smaug9 | iateadonut: apt-get update updates the information in the cache for all packages |
| 12:26.05 | iateadonut | smaug9: is that the command the icon in the upper right hand corner uses? (in gnome, installed by default) |
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| 12:27.06 | smaug9 | iateadonut: that, I don't know for sure, but I believe, so. most of the gui software updates are front-ends for dpkg/apt-get |
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| 12:27.33 | Alen | hello how can i install KDE4 on debian ? |
| 12:28.26 | ranix^ | apt-get install kde |
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| 12:28.46 | ranix^ | apt-cache search kde for packages related to 'kde' |
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| 12:30.41 | iateadonut | since i upgraded to lenny, startx only works 50% of the time. my questions are 1) if there's a input method editor (like scim) for a terminal not running x, 2) is there a way to get more terminals than 6? 3) what's a good terminal editor with copy/paste functionality. |
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| 12:31.51 | PoWeRKiLL | please any idea how to install debian etch on a server that need the it8213 IDE device driver at install ? |
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| 12:32.30 | smaug9 | iateadonut: 3): gterm w/ gedit |
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| 12:33.11 | Alen | apt-get install kde is for kde3 |
| 12:33.15 | Alen | i need kde4 |
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| 12:33.27 | DoppleGanger | i need a drink |
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| 12:35.42 | mbroeker | PoWeRKiLL, try to add bootloader params like hda=ide-scsi |
| 12:36.26 | PoWeRKiLL | the driver that I need is the it8213 IDE device driver ? |
| 12:36.53 | PoWeRKiLL | I manage to got it on the ITE website and on supermicro ftp but they say to put it on a floppy and I don't have a floppy disc |
| 12:36.56 | PoWeRKiLL | on the server |
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| 12:37.26 | mbroeker | PoWeRKiLL, try to install with scsi-emu. it works or it works not for you. |
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| 12:39.08 | PoWeRKiLL | the hard disk is a raid on sata the problem is the cdrom drive that is a IDE |
| 12:40.33 | mbroeker | kernel /vmlinuz hda=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi root=/dev/sda5 ro quiet vga=789 quiet would boot my ide system in scsi emulation mode |
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| 12:41.16 | buscon | Hi, I chroot inside an already installed debian system |
| 12:41.25 | idimmu | well done |
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| 12:41.55 | buscon | but I found non device under /dev |
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| 12:42.24 | buscon | even if I know that it should be a disk, /dev/sda |
| 12:42.34 | FordCortina | something on my machine is downloading at about 3KBps, how do i work out what's doing this? |
| 12:42.44 | FordCortina | this was before i started irc btw |
| 12:43.02 | mbroeker | FordCortina, netstat -atulpen as root |
| 12:44.23 | idimmu | buscon: edit your fstab and add |
| 12:44.33 | idimmu | /dev /chroot/dev none bind 0 0 |
| 12:44.33 | idimmu | ? |
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| 12:44.50 | idimmu | where /chroot/dev is of course the path to your chroot? |
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| 12:45.03 | idimmu | (this is outside the chroot) |
| 12:45.06 | idimmu | then mount it |
| 12:45.06 | idimmu | ? |
| 12:45.15 | buscon | idimmu, thanx, now I try |
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| 12:46.55 | iateadonut | smaug9: the problem is i don't want to start x, but i would like a editor with cut and paste. |
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| 12:47.42 | mbroeker | iateadonut, limited cut and paste support is available with the gpm console mouse driver |
| 12:47.56 | vsd | for a server, how many partitions should i create and which? |
| 12:48.17 | iateadonut | apt-get install gpm? |
| 12:48.21 | opensrcguru | idimmu: perhaps mount -t proc none /path/to/chroot/proc and mount -o bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev |
| 12:48.42 | iateadonut | should i install mdetect also? |
| 12:48.51 | iateadonut | oh, and is there a terminal program for xchat? |
| 12:48.55 | mbroeker | vsd, /boot /usr/ /var /tmp as a minimum, /usr/local, /var/www for special purposes |
| 12:49.00 | azeem | iateadonut: irssi |
| 12:49.31 | mbroeker | vsd, maybe /opt as a seperate partition makes sense too in some enviroments. |
| 12:49.32 | vsd | mbroeker, can i chroot apache if i dont have a separate /var/www? |
| 12:49.34 | smaug1 | iateadonut: both nano and vi/vim can cut and paste |
| 12:49.56 | vsd | and what filesystem should i choose? |
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| 12:50.34 | mbroeker | chrooting has nothing to do with the numbers of partitions on your harddrive, vsd |
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| 12:50.54 | vsd | mbroeker, oh ok |
| 12:51.12 | vsd | mbroeker, can you give reasons for separate /usr/local and /var/www? |
| 12:51.35 | mbroeker | vsd, /var/www makes sense if you have large webapplications |
| 12:51.44 | vsd | such as? |
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| 12:52.03 | abchirk | Is it useful to install Debian Etch 64bit for a server... or better a 32bit? |
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| 12:52.22 | mbroeker | you ran out of disk space and you can easily install a new harddrive and assign a bigger partition from it to /var/www |
| 12:52.34 | vsd | i see |
| 12:52.35 | mbroeker | that's the reason, vsd |
| 12:52.38 | vsd | and /usr/local? |
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| 12:52.53 | FordCortina | with netstat, how do i tell how much data a process is sending or recieving? |
| 12:52.55 | mbroeker | the same reason |
| 12:52.59 | FordCortina | is it possible? |
| 12:53.06 | vsd | and if i don't dual boot then why have /boot separate |
| 12:53.42 | Bushmills | vsd: /home is a good candidate for an own partition too |
| 12:53.52 | Bushmills | depends a bit on what kind of server |
| 12:54.08 | idimmu | and /var/log |
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| 12:55.10 | Bushmills | FordCortina: i'd probably use a dummy iptables rules, those do traffic counting too |
| 12:55.37 | Bushmills | thought that's most likely port based, not process based |
| 12:55.38 | mbroeker | vsd, a boot partition is really a good idea under linux: in 6 weeks you plan to install vista. and without a boot partition you will get big problems with the bootloader from microsoft. |
| 12:55.49 | vsd | but this is a server |
| 12:55.57 | vsd | i won't install vista :) |
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| 12:56.05 | vsd | what does /var contain? |
| 12:56.06 | mbroeker | vsd, i see |
| 12:56.40 | mbroeker | variable data i think |
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| 12:57.12 | vsd | lol? |
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| 12:57.40 | Bushmills | vsd, various. most everything which doesn't fit anywhere else. |
| 12:57.46 | vsd | i see |
| 12:57.48 | Bushmills | storage for apps, logfiles, |
| 12:57.58 | vsd | and why would i want to keep those in separate partition? |
| 12:58.11 | vsd | logfiles ok it makes sense |
| 12:58.28 | vsd | should i use ext3 as filesystem? |
| 12:58.30 | Bushmills | if that partition is on a different drive, it results in reduced head threashing |
| 12:58.31 | SchrodingerSloth | hi - quick question.... I've got filezilla installed, and its uploading horribly slowly. I see now it is using 100% on one of my processors....!!? |
| 12:58.36 | vsd | it's the most stable available right? |
| 12:59.14 | azeem | yes |
| 12:59.34 | azeem | vsd: maybe you should do some more reading before installling a server, if you got enough time |
| 12:59.38 | Bushmills | vsd, yes and no. jfs is not a bad choice too. |
| 12:59.48 | Bushmills | seems more robust than ext3 when disk runs full |
| 12:59.49 | azeem | Bushmills: eh? |
| 12:59.57 | azeem | is it even supported these days? |
| 13:00.03 | niru | any body I am getting warning as no gpg key |
| 13:00.11 | niru | when i do apt-get update |
| 13:00.18 | vsd | azeem: any docs you recommend? |
| 13:00.29 | mbroeker | !tell niru about missing gpg-key in etch |
| 13:00.33 | SchrodingerSloth | has anyone else seen similar behaviour with filezilla? |
| 13:00.46 | niru | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.47 | vsd | Bushmills, you mean size or usage? |
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| 13:01.06 | niru | mbroeker, what to do for other websites |
| 13:01.26 | niru | !tell |
| 13:01.27 | Bushmills | vsd: when disk runs full so that there is not disk space left anymore, and file writes can't be completed. |
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| 13:01.54 | Bushmills | jfs recovers better from these situations than ext3, but i suppose one can avoid that this ever happens |
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| 13:02.09 | vsd | Bushmills, ah. you have experienced any problems with ext3 in such a case? |
| 13:02.27 | niru | tell niru about gpg |
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| 13:02.32 | Bushmills | vsd, synthetically, yes. i have stress tested several file systems in these conditions |
| 13:02.35 | niru | ?tell niru about gpg |
| 13:02.49 | niru | tell niru -about gpg |
| 13:02.51 | vsd | what about xfs/ |
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| 13:03.02 | Bushmills | how stable is your server? |
| 13:03.15 | liable | niru: /msg dpkg gpg |
| 13:03.27 | niru | liable, ok |
| 13:03.41 | FordCortina | how can i check the numbers for network usage given by the GNOME process monitor? |
| 13:04.10 | FordCortina | is there an alternative program? |
| 13:04.18 | Bushmills | vsd, if it doens't - what it shouldn't - crash or needs reboots without proper shutdown, xfs is an interesting candidate |
| 13:04.19 | tarzeau | wmnd |
| 13:04.40 | Bushmills | but you want more RAM with xfs and with others fs |
| 13:04.43 | Bushmills | than |
| 13:05.06 | mbroeker | niru, write an email to the repository maintainer and ask him for his public key... |
| 13:05.25 | niru | mbroeker, ok |
| 13:06.36 | vsd | Bushmills, thanks. where have you learned all these? |
| 13:06.45 | vsd | is there a doc or smth i can read on FSs? |
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| 13:06.51 | vsd | pros and cons etc |
| 13:06.51 | Bushmills | FordCortina: many. something web based maybe? check out munin. more than just a network monitor. |
| 13:07.09 | Bushmills | vsd, what "all" ? |
| 13:07.32 | nemosphere | Hi there, how to find in wich package is the cut command ? ( i don't have it installed on a host of mines) |
| 13:07.37 | Bushmills | in general, one reads, and does experimentation |
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| 13:07.51 | vsd | Bushmills, the FSs comparison and features |
| 13:08.03 | Bushmills | by running tests on them |
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| 13:08.25 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I detect the reason because xorg spends more than 20% of CPU? it is slowing down my system |
| 13:08.52 | Bushmills | devised a number of scenarios which may cause the fs to hickup, and run it one them. |
| 13:08.55 | Bushmills | on |
| 13:08.56 | SlimeyPete | gonzaloaf: what graphics driver do you use? |
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| 13:09.06 | gonzaloaf | SlimeyPete, nv |
| 13:09.08 | nemosphere | Hey, what package do I install to find the cut command ? thx |
| 13:09.14 | SlimeyPete | gonzaloaf: that's why, then. |
| 13:09.20 | SlimeyPete | nv uses a lot of cpu. |
| 13:09.34 | Bushmills | nemosphere: which |
| 13:09.36 | gonzaloaf | Slidey, since when? |
| 13:09.43 | Bushmills | i.e. which cut |
| 13:09.45 | gonzaloaf | SlimeyPete, Since when? |
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| 13:09.54 | Bushmills | you probably have which installed already |
| 13:09.56 | SlimeyPete | I found that it used up to 40% of a CPU core if I was running an app which refreshed regularly. |
| 13:09.56 | raju | how to copy the vfat files to dektop from usb |
| 13:10.00 | vsd | if i select to install Desktop Environment, what does it install? |
| 13:10.11 | SlimeyPete | gonzaloaf: dunno since when - I tend to ditch it soon after I've installed, as a matter of course. |
| 13:10.15 | nemosphere | the 'cut' command |
| 13:10.16 | gonzaloaf | SlimeyPete, how did you solve that? using vesa instead? |
| 13:10.20 | vsd | what packages |
| 13:10.27 | SlimeyPete | gonzaloaf: I use the official nvidia drivers |
| 13:10.32 | Bushmills | raju: mount the usb stick, then copy the files. |
| 13:10.37 | SlimeyPete | not sure that vesa would be any better (though it's worth a try I guess) |
| 13:10.39 | gonzaloaf | SlimeyPete, the nvidia.com drivers? |
| 13:10.45 | SlimeyPete | gonzaloaf: yes. |
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| 13:11.14 | gonzaloaf | SlimeyPete, did you try to install the debian's nvidia drivers? |
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| 13:11.40 | SlimeyPete | gonzaloaf: I would have tried to install the official nvidia drivers using the "debian method", yes, but I run Sid and that method is not currently available. |
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| 13:11.48 | SlimeyPete | normally I would try to do it the debian way. |
| 13:11.51 | nemosphere | Bushmills: ok great, it's just the $PATH is not set correctly, thx guy |
| 13:12.00 | raju | Bushmills, it is mounting but not able to copy files fully] |
| 13:12.03 | gonzaloaf | SlimeyPete, can you tell me what steps you followed? |
| 13:12.09 | SlimeyPete | erm, sorry, I run Lenny, not Sid. |
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| 13:12.17 | gonzaloaf | SlimeyPete, me too, I run lenny |
| 13:12.29 | __ | hi |
| 13:12.35 | vsd | what's a good howto for setting up a secure lamp debian server? |
| 13:13.05 | SlimeyPete | gonzaloaf: ah... the tutorial is at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers but it will not work for Lenny. Under Lenny you must just download from nvidia.com. |
| 13:13.10 | Bushmills | vsd: the apache howto, the mysql howto and the php howto |
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| 13:13.30 | SlimeyPete | when you update your kernel, you'll have to reinstall the driver, which is a bit annoying. |
| 13:13.42 | benfrem | I got a bug using bzip2 and i would like some information about filing the bug. |
| 13:14.22 | Bushmills | benfrem: a bzip2 bug, or a corrupt archive? |
| 13:14.24 | vsd | if i select to install Desktop Environment, what does it install? KDE/Gnome? |
| 13:14.40 | SlimeyPete | Gnome |
| 13:14.50 | Bushmills | vsd, didn't you say "server"? |
| 13:14.55 | benfrem | When i uncompress a tarball under X (stock debian 4.0r3 with gnome), bzip2 complains about a corrupted archive |
| 13:14.56 | gonzaloaf | SlimeyPete, maybe the nv issue is a bug rigth? we should report that |
| 13:15.00 | Bushmills | vsd, no need for GUI on server |
| 13:15.09 | Bushmills | not a lot of use for it, actually. |
| 13:15.09 | benfrem | but when i uncompress on the command line, everything is fine |
| 13:15.14 | vsd | Bushmills, yes. im wondering that too but i need to test apache..:/ |
| 13:15.22 | vsd | i need a browser etc |
| 13:15.28 | SlimeyPete | gonzaloaf: I think it's just because the nv driver does not make full use of the acceleration features of the graphics card |
| 13:15.41 | Bushmills | vsd, you'd connect from another system, wouldn't you? |
| 13:15.43 | SlimeyPete | gonzaloaf: nv is reverse-engineered and incomplete |
| 13:15.46 | benfrem | I think it's an out-of-memory problem, as the computer i'm using is having only 200m of memory. |
| 13:16.00 | stew | SlimeyPete: no it isn't |
| 13:16.04 | benfrem | Shall i find the bug in debian, or upstrem ? |
| 13:16.04 | Bushmills | benfrem: so that means that bzip2 is fine |
| 13:16.16 | stew | SlimeyPete: nv was written by nvidia. not reverse engineered |
| 13:16.28 | SlimeyPete | stew: really? oh...hrm I wonder where I got that idea from then |
| 13:16.29 | Bushmills | benfrem: would there be a bzip2 bug, it would show on command line too |
| 13:16.31 | gonzaloaf | SlimeyPete, but it worked fine before |
| 13:16.42 | benfrem | bushmills: yes. I can reproduce the bug with different archives, and i don't think it's coming from my system. |
| 13:16.46 | Bushmills | i mean, was there a bzip2 bug ... |
| 13:16.52 | stew | SlimeyPete: yes, really. look at the email addresses in the copyrights |
| 13:17.05 | benfrem | bushmills: it's only complaining about the archive being corrupted, and that"s all. |
| 13:17.06 | Bushmills | benfrem, bzip2 is command line. no graphical interface./ |
| 13:17.17 | SlimeyPete | gonzaloaf: *shrug* I can only describe my own experience. I find the closed-source drivers decrease the cpu usage significantly. |
| 13:17.22 | SlimeyPete | YMMV of course |
| 13:17.22 | Bushmills | "archive being corrupted" |
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| 13:17.32 | Bushmills | doesn't sound like a bzip2 bug to me. |
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| 13:17.58 | benfrem | bushmills: yes. But when i'm under X, i'm quite low on memory. Whereas when i'm on the command line, i got something like 100 megs of free memory. |
| 13:18.20 | benfrem | (by command line i mean under the console, no X running) |
| 13:18.25 | SlimeyPete | gonzaloaf: this is on a system with two 7600GTs in it, and on my previous 6600GT. |
| 13:18.36 | vsd | Bushmills, how can i remove it afterwards? how can i know which packages it installs if i select to install "d |
| 13:18.43 | vsd | "Desktop Environment" |
| 13:18.50 | Bushmills | vsd, dpkg -P |
| 13:19.10 | Bushmills | and /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 13:19.16 | Bushmills | and apt-cache depends .... |
| 13:20.00 | gonzaloaf | SlimeyPete, let me try the closed driver |
| 13:20.07 | vsd | dpkg -P what |
| 13:20.08 | raju | how to copy the vfat files to dektop from usb |
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| 13:20.32 | benfrem | so how can i know the compiler/compilation option used under debian for compiling bzip2 ? |
| 13:20.50 | ^lam64^ | hi Raju : today i saw eeePC |
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| 13:21.50 | raju | ^lam64^, it mean |
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| 13:22.24 | ^lam64^ | sorry, |
| 13:22.28 | nemosphere | thx bye all |
| 13:22.36 | Bushmills | new eeePC, i.e. the one with double RAM and flash? |
| 13:22.57 | ^lam64^ | yes |
| 13:23.02 | stew | benfrem: by looking at the debian/rules file in the source package ; /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg source |
| 13:23.17 | ^lam64^ | SDD solid disk drive 4gb |
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| 13:23.39 | ^lam64^ | its cool with wireless and neat display |
| 13:23.44 | benfrem | stew: ok thanks. And shall i fill the bug in debian, or upstream ? |
| 13:23.45 | stew | vsd: "tasksel --task-packages desktop" would list the packages it would install. aptitude remove package1 package2 package3... to remove them |
| 13:23.47 | Bushmills | looks great as network machine, with remote X and such |
| 13:24.04 | vsd | stew: thanks! |
| 13:24.05 | stew | benfrem: what is the bug? |
| 13:24.25 | chops | So after upgrading a site from apache-ssl to apache2, I get this certificate error when navigating to the site (both in Firefox for Windows and Iceweasel): "Could not verify this certificate for unknown reasons." |
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| 13:24.37 | stew | benfrem: i thought bzip2 wasn't the problem but some graphical client was? |
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| 13:24.53 | stew | chops: wsa it a chained certificate? |
| 13:25.10 | benfrem | when i uncompress a tarball of ~40 megs under X, bzip2 aborts saying that the archive is corrupted. But when i'm killing X, and uncompressing the same tarball under the console, everythinh goes fine. |
| 13:25.31 | stew | benfrem: what command are you using to uncompress it under X? |
| 13:25.34 | benfrem | stew: sorry, i made the confusion between command line and console. |
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| 13:25.49 | chops | No, just an ordinary SSL certificate (from Godaddy IIRC; the issuer is "Starfield Secure Certification Authority") |
| 13:25.51 | benfrem | stew: tar -jxvf name.tar.bz2 |
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| 13:26.46 | stew | benfrem: what version of bzip2 is this? |
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| 13:27.07 | stew | benfrem: do you get other random crashes or errors? this sounds pretty odd |
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| 13:27.42 | benfrem | I got no other error, except the message about the archive being corrupted. |
| 13:28.00 | abrotman | tried another archive? |
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| 13:28.11 | mosez | hi |
| 13:28.32 | mosez | have somebody experiences with davfs2? i can't mount my directory: http://rafb.net/p/sjFE3D63.html |
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| 13:30.29 | efaistos_ | can we use dd to make an image of a partition with lvm on it ? will i get some issue if i try to restore from that ? |
| 13:30.47 | efaistos_ | s/partition/hd/ |
| 13:30.55 | n0mad | linux Copy Audio CD - how ? |
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| 13:31.38 | Lagbolt | n0mad, from command line? or gui? |
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| 13:33.11 | chops | stew: Hm, I've enabled atime on the filesystem, and I see that apache2 is reading /etc/apache-ssl/qix-7.{key,crt} (which is where I put the certificate) and _also_ /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem (which I didn't set up that I remember). I'm reading the mod_ssl docs now (as opposed to just copying the options from /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf, which I what I did before). |
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| 13:34.56 | n0mad | Lagbolt, any (but i need to specify diferent temp dir bkoz / is almost full) and i w.need to amke audio disk copy |
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| 13:35.42 | n0mad | cdrdao hmn reading but its unfamiliar to me |
| 13:35.48 | n0mad | reading manual* |
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| 13:36.39 | Lagbolt | well you shouldnt have to rip to tmp |
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| 13:37.32 | Lagbolt | n0mad, cdparanoia -B |
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| 13:37.45 | Lagbolt | should copy audio tracks to current DIR |
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| 13:37.58 | Lagbolt | cdrecord -v dev=/dev/cdrom -audio *.wav |
| 13:38.00 | Lagbolt | burn them |
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| 13:39.17 | malifal | hello, i'm having trouble install libglade0 and libgtk1.2 since libglade0 can anybody help? |
| 13:39.51 | dimir | !anybody |
| 13:39.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:40.00 | n0mad | Lagbolt, i do not need to rip them |
| 13:40.50 | Lagbolt | n0mad, what do you mean then? you said you want to copy audio cd |
| 13:40.56 | n0mad | :/ mm i will self repeat i neeed to have one more audio cd kopy in my hand :) |
| 13:41.06 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 13:41.08 | n0mad | yea srry :) sometimes mistakes |
| 13:41.08 | Lagbolt | rip then burn |
| 13:41.18 | n0mad | em quality ? |
| 13:41.24 | Lagbolt | em? |
| 13:41.26 | n0mad | will not be damaged ? |
| 13:41.36 | n0mad | i need max as posible |
| 13:42.07 | Lagbolt | damaged? i dont understand? you worried about loss of quality? |
| 13:42.14 | n0mad | mm well can i ask is it posible to make bin iso or smthing from audio cd ? |
| 13:42.19 | Lagbolt | yeah sure |
| 13:42.21 | malifal | ok i'm trying to install pptpconfig but it requires libglade0 and libgtk1.2 but libglade0 depends on libglib1.2 and libgtk1.2 depends on libglib1.2ldbl and libglib1.2 and libglib2ldbl can't coexist and cause a conflict so what am i doing wrong. |
| 13:42.22 | n0mad | yea about that |
| 13:42.27 | Lagbolt | k3b prob do it, or dd |
| 13:42.37 | n0mad | dd wont |
| 13:42.39 | Lagbolt | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=gay.iso |
| 13:42.41 | n0mad | im trying like this: |
| 13:42.43 | Lagbolt | no? |
| 13:42.46 | n0mad | no error |
| 13:43.06 | n0mad | anu@el[~]$ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/mnt/diskC/disk.iso |
| 13:43.13 | n0mad | dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error |
| 13:43.14 | mosez | nobody got an answer for my davfs2 problem? |
| 13:43.27 | n0mad | mosez, me not |
| 13:43.33 | mosez | :( |
| 13:43.40 | Lagbolt | hmm |
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| 13:43.58 | n0mad | tryied specify dev/scd0 as it is but same |
| 13:44.04 | Lagbolt | ah i see |
| 13:44.06 | Lagbolt | hmm |
| 13:44.24 | bluecake | tzwatch question..... how does it know when to switch to day light savings? |
| 13:44.57 | Bushmills | bluecake: the time zone tables you choose |
| 13:45.18 | Bushmills | they tell more than just the offset |
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| 13:45.35 | Lagbolt | well if you cant do that, rip them to wavs, no loss in qual |
| 13:45.38 | Lagbolt | wav is lossless |
| 13:45.54 | bluecake | since time zone is a political thing rather than a physical calculation, will tzwatch connect to a web server and syn. to get new day light method, or get updated political data? |
| 13:45.55 | Bushmills | flac too. but about half the size |
| 13:46.10 | bluecake | Bushmills, hey , howz it? |
| 13:46.18 | Bushmills | bluecake: there is a protocol for time updates. it is called ntp. |
| 13:46.36 | abrotman | bluecake: there have been updates to the tzdata in etch to account for new DST changes, use ntp to keep up with a time server |
| 13:46.51 | Lagbolt | n0mad, i dont see anything about making iso of audio cd. but might google a bit more |
| 13:47.03 | Bushmills | and time zones exist only when displaying time, as correction. computer itself keeps it in UTC |
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| 13:47.39 | themill | except, that is, for a certain legacy operating system that is rather pervasive |
| 13:48.18 | bluecake | how to choose time zone table? how to use NTP? |
| 13:48.28 | webman | what is the best way to try and work through a problem with NFS on a debian system? I've tried google with no progress yet... |
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| 13:49.08 | abrotman | Bushmills: that's not always true |
| 13:49.11 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 13:49.11 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 13:49.23 | bluecake | abrotman, apt-get tzdata in etch? |
| 13:49.36 | abrotman | see what the bot said |
| 13:49.50 | Bushmills | abrotman: yes. use has choice, true |
| 13:49.52 | Bushmills | user |
| 13:50.03 | Bushmills | and under non-unix it is even uncommon |
| 13:50.20 | Bushmills | though i'd say most debian systems have clock in UTC |
| 13:50.27 | abrotman | Bushmills: you should try living in the states :) |
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| 13:50.39 | Bushmills | they wouldn't let me in |
| 13:50.40 | abrotman | i'd say the majority of desktops are set to the local time in the hardware |
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| 13:51.36 | mosez | mounting the webdav directory with cadaver works fine, mounting it with davfs2 results in: /sbin/mount.davfs: User mosez must be member of group root. |
| 13:51.40 | mosez | that sucks... |
| 13:51.46 | Bushmills | abrotman: "majority of desktops" means, windows and macs and unixoids and other? |
| 13:52.14 | abrotman | Bushmills: and even some servers |
| 13:52.16 | chops | stew: Ah, got it. My old apache-ssl configuration had an SSLCACertificateFile that I had completely forgotten about. |
| 13:52.23 | bluecake | thx |
| 13:52.28 | Bushmills | abrotman: if you count windows too, you're no doubt right |
| 13:53.01 | abrotman | Bushmills: i'm not sure it really matters in most cases even, and might even confuse some people |
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| 13:53.21 | abrotman | Bushmills: i'd wager it's more important to have a site-wide setting |
| 13:54.39 | vvd | "This is a meta-package to ease upgrades, installations, and provide a consistent upgrade path from previous versions. It can safely be removed with no ill effects." so, for easy upgrades it doesnt matter if i have it installed or not? |
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| 13:55.39 | vvd | maybe my english is too bad, but that makes no sense to me |
| 13:55.56 | abrotman | vvd: which package? |
| 13:55.58 | vvd | isnt it XOR? |
| 13:56.05 | vvd | xfce4-goodies |
| 13:56.07 | vsd | is there a chart that shows the distros running lamp servers? |
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| 13:56.15 | abrotman | netcraft? |
| 13:56.24 | abrotman | vvd: after you do the transition .. yes you can remove it |
| 13:56.38 | whit0r | hey guys. |
| 13:56.58 | whit0r | in debian, how do usb-storage devices come up as? so that i can mount it. |
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| 13:57.01 | Bushmills | vvd: right. it's action are the result of installing it, not of having it installed |
| 13:57.05 | vvd | abrotman: but then again, why not just keep it installed? |
| 13:57.11 | themill | !tell whit0r about automount |
| 13:57.16 | vvd | Bushmills: hmm |
| 13:57.16 | Bushmills | vvd: so you can install it, and remove it again. |
| 13:57.18 | whit0r | oh thnx. |
| 13:57.23 | abrotman | vvd: you can do either .. it's ultimately up to you |
| 13:57.25 | whit0r | although i don't want to automount |
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| 13:57.35 | real0ne | when a package don't want to run what i should do? |
| 13:57.42 | Bushmills | vvd: it simply selects more packages, which get installed as result of it |
| 13:57.47 | abrotman | real0ne: give more info |
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| 13:58.31 | abrotman | that was easy |
| 13:58.39 | Bushmills | whit0r: as /dev/sd...usually |
| 13:58.41 | real0ne_ | abrotman i have install vmware and he don't wan't to run |
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| 13:58.47 | abrotman | real0ne_: you'd ask #vmware |
| 13:58.49 | vvd | Bushmills: but it sais its also to "provide a consistent upgrade path from previous versions". that sounds like it shouldnt be removed if i ever want to upgrade |
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| 13:59.06 | whit0r | Bushmills, for some reason i can't seem to find'em as /dev/sd ... thats why i asked :p |
| 13:59.10 | VulcanRidr | How do I merge bugs in the BTS? |
| 13:59.11 | abrotman | vvd: is it currently installed on your system? |
| 13:59.21 | abrotman | VulcanRidr: bugs.debian.org has a manual on how to use the BTS |
| 13:59.24 | Bushmills | vvd, deinstalling it doesn't mean that its dependencies (the packages it installed) will be removed too |
| 13:59.25 | vvd | abrotman: no, im planning :) |
| 13:59.31 | VulcanRidr | Thanks abrotman. |
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| 13:59.45 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control#merge |
| 13:59.46 | whit0r | Bushmills, dmesg gives out: scsi 5:0:0:0: Direct-Access Motorola MSnc. PQ: 1 ANSI: 4 CCS |
| 13:59.55 | Bushmills | vvd: see it as a sort of container for more packages. once they are installed, you don't need the box anymore |
| 13:59.58 | hikenboot | http://pastebin.ca/967504 <<--anyone know how to fix this error |
| 14:00.04 | whit0r | Its actually my motorola phone, which comes up as 2 usb disks. |
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| 14:00.08 | vvd | Bushmills: but deinstalling means inconsistent update? |
| 14:00.09 | limpio | hi, how do i take a screenshot of the console? |
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| 14:00.21 | limpio | I'm using scrot |
| 14:00.27 | Bushmills | vvd: no |
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| 14:00.42 | vvd | Bushmills: if not then the text is kinda confusing, isnt it? |
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| 14:00.54 | Bushmills | vvd, only if you insist that it is |
| 14:00.55 | real0ne | abrotman i have this Problem with more packages |
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| 14:01.09 | vvd | Bushmills: ok, nm ^^) |
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| 14:02.03 | soussou | hi |
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| 14:02.53 | soussou | I am trying to install gimp, but synaptic gives me some error message about a repository not being available, is there a repository I can add that has gimp? |
| 14:02.54 | vvd | Bushmills, abrotman: why tell the user "it can be safely removed"? why should someone remove a meta-package? doesnt really save anything |
| 14:03.13 | limpio | sorry, i got disconnected, how do i take a screenshot of the console (not the terminal)? |
| 14:03.28 | Bushmills | because there is no point to keep a package which has no purpose anymore, after it has been installed. |
| 14:03.33 | themill | soussou: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude install gimp" |
| 14:03.39 | soussou | ok |
| 14:03.40 | vsd | anyone know of a chart showing how much debian is used in LAMP servers? |
| 14:03.53 | vvd | Bushmills: if thats the case, apt could do it automatically |
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| 14:04.16 | vvd | Bushmills: there is also no point in removing it :) |
| 14:04.26 | soussou | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gimp/gimp-data_2.4.4-1_all.deb |
| 14:04.27 | soussou | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.43 | Bushmills | vsd, i suppose netcraft has some somewhere |
| 14:04.51 | soussou | here's what I get when I try to install libgimp2 |
| 14:04.52 | themill | soussou: run an aptitude update |
| 14:04.58 | soussou | ok |
| 14:05.00 | Bushmills | vsd, netcraft.com |
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| 14:05.32 | soussou | themill: how do I do that in synaptic? |
| 14:05.52 | themill | soussou: there should be an "update" button, iirc. |
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| 14:07.12 | webman | I'm trying to resolve a NFS problem with Debian stable where the client stalls for some time (couple of minutes) while the server gets these messages "kernel: RPC: bad TCP reclen 0x7fffffff (large)", until next time the client causes the 'error'. Couldn't find a solution on google, and I am using all latest updates for etch. |
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| 14:07.30 | soussou | themill: the only buttons I have are: reload, mark all upgrades, apply, properties (grayed out), search |
| 14:07.40 | soussou | I don't see the update button |
| 14:08.05 | themill | soussou: "reload" (sorry, haven't used synaptic for ages) |
| 14:08.08 | soussou | OK |
| 14:08.32 | soussou | thanks man |
| 14:09.54 | soussou | themill: thanks man, it did the trick, it is working now |
| 14:10.01 | soussou | I appreciate ur help |
| 14:10.23 | themill | no worries |
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| 14:13.03 | vallhalla | what distro would any sugest for 64 bit machines? |
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| 14:13.28 | Bushmills | vallhalla: tomsrtbt |
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| 14:14.22 | themill | vallhalla: are you asking if we'd recommend debian for your machines? |
| 14:16.04 | vallhalla | yes themill i have a athlon64 4400 and 1gig ram just wounder what dist would be best for it |
| 14:16.16 | Bushmills | http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
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| 14:16.31 | Bushmills | doesn't strain your machine too much |
| 14:16.35 | pumpkin0 | vallhalla: debian. |
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| 14:18.34 | themill | vallhalla: are you expecting us to recommend anything other than debian? (hint: check what channel you are in) |
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| 14:19.19 | Lagbolt | no joke vallhalla |
| 14:19.26 | Lagbolt | april fools day was um not today |
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| 14:20.56 | soussou | if I am using an XFCE desktop, can I still run kde or gnome applications? |
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| 14:21.06 | vallhalla | i was expecting debian just not sure what version would suit |
| 14:21.07 | Bushmills | soussou: yes |
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| 14:21.24 | soussou | Bushmills: thanks man |
| 14:21.28 | Bushmills | np |
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| 14:22.04 | Lagbolt | vallhalla, testing works great, unstable is good from my experience and AMD64 debian works well |
| 14:22.35 | engla | hello. Is there a separate channel for just debian-lenny? I wanted to drop in to hear about how the gnome upgrade works in lenny and if I should go ahead and update all gnome apps |
| 14:22.41 | helo | uses x86 (32-bit) on his athlon64 |
| 14:23.10 | chops | Lagbolt: You shouldn't recommend unstable to new users |
| 14:23.13 | helo | unless you can think of a reason you need 64 bit, i'd recommend the same... |
| 14:24.01 | chops | vallhalla: Stable is generally best to start with. testing is generally okay but sometimes not. unstable may break randomly and require some amount of serious knowledge in order to fix (though when it's not broken it generally works fine :-) |
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| 14:24.09 | Lagbolt | chops, true true |
| 14:24.16 | seeds | i did the upgrade. works fine |
| 14:24.55 | benjamindees | I have to say the prospect of being able to do 'aptitude remove gnome-desktop-environment' is intriguing; but it seems to remove a lot of useful things as well. :( |
| 14:24.56 | helo | stable is great for any server and most desktops... if you are looking for the latest and greatest desktop apps, and are ok with some occasional instability, use testing... don't use unstable :) |
| 14:25.19 | Lagbolt | vallhalla, how hard do you want to work and how much do you want to learn? once you are used to stable i would move to testing pretty quick if you are gungho and actually want to learn |
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| 14:25.40 | Lagbolt | i find fixing lil issues is best way to learn how things work |
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| 14:26.08 | Lagbolt | if you dont plan on really learning anything and just want to run a stable linux box run stable, and if thats not current enough for you dare i say ubuntu |
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| 14:26.33 | benjamindees | *cough* backports *cough* |
| 14:26.34 | DoppleGanger | i rather say backports |
| 14:26.38 | DoppleGanger | doh he he |
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| 14:28.15 | benjamindees | can I say in a single command to remove gnome-desktop-environment but keep openoffice.org-java-common ? |
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| 14:28.51 | aoupi | hi, is ssl disabled in the lftp from the repos? |
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| 14:29.35 | Lagbolt | well if you used the gui it would be cool if you could click to remove it and then list the marked packages. could easily uncheck what you want to save |
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| 14:30.33 | pihhan | aoupi: i believe it was enabled last time i checked |
| 14:30.46 | aoupi | pihhan: it doesn't show when I run lftp --version |
| 14:31.19 | aoupi | pihhan: I get "Libraries used: Readline 5.2, Expat 2.0.1, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007" on another machine but on this one "Libraries used: Readline 5.2" |
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| 14:31.40 | pihhan | Libraries used: Readline 5.2, Expat 1.95.8, GnuTLS 1.4.4, zlib 1.2.3 |
| 14:32.10 | pihhan | gnutls is ssl lbrary, as well as openssl. it is used because of licensing problems instead i believe |
| 14:32.12 | aoupi | interesting, I'm using Description: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (etch) |
| 14:32.31 | aoupi | yea, I wonder why I mine doesn't have gnutls |
| 14:33.05 | aoupi | maybe it's some non-free thing |
| 14:33.07 | engla_ | benjamindees: something like aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment- openoffice.org-java-common , perhaps? note the minus (-) |
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| 14:33.30 | pihhan | aoupi: i have lftp 3.5.6-1 version, and etch too |
| 14:33.45 | benjamindees | heh, gnome-desktop-environment isn't even installed but aptitude will gladly remove it, cool |
| 14:33.51 | aoupi | LFTP | Version 3.5.14 |
| 14:33.52 | aoupi | interesting :) |
| 14:34.11 | aoupi | oh wait, someone has installed another one in /usr/local |
| 14:34.15 | aoupi | nevermind .... |
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| 14:34.22 | pihhan | :) |
| 14:34.40 | aoupi | "Libraries used: Readline 5.2, Expat 1.95.8, GnuTLS 1.4.4, zlib 1.2.3" from /usr/bin/lftp --version :) |
| 14:34.45 | benjamindees | engla_, awesome, thanks |
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| 14:36.30 | jamiejackson | where's the readme file that explains apache configuration, debian-style? |
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| 14:36.55 | benjamindees | okay I suppose I could get used to aptitude :D |
| 14:40.02 | vsd | should i upgrade apache in debian stable to 2.2.8? |
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| 14:41.31 | real0ne | i have install some packages but can't run it??? |
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| 14:41.55 | stew | real0ne: be more specific |
| 14:41.55 | engla_ | any debian/lenny users here? Any problems with recent gnome 2.20 -> 2.22 upgrades? Or did it run smoothly? |
| 14:42.30 | real0ne | i have insall one package (vmware) with aptitude and he don't want to run |
| 14:42.33 | benjamindees | oh noes! I spoke too soon. aptitude removed something important and gdm crashed :( |
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| 14:42.59 | yang | I am trying to establish a wireless connection on my sony vaio tx2. In the manuals its written that this board uses Intel 3945ABG card. I have the latest 2.6.24 kernel and iwl3945 module installed. What should I do next ? |
| 14:43.03 | vsd | how do i list all the services runnig? |
| 14:43.05 | real0ne | stew |
| 14:43.12 | vsd | *running |
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| 14:43.41 | nevyn | vsd: define services |
| 14:43.58 | benjamindees | yang, man iwconfig |
| 14:44.05 | real0ne | i have insall one package (vmware) with aptitude and he don't want to run |
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| 14:44.23 | zophy | i think the e100 driver destroys the intel Ethernet Pro 100 chip |
| 14:44.25 | rahsputin | Hi, i have a Toshiba Satellite 110CT and installed Sarge... ( minimum install ) xserver-xfree86 will reconize my Graphic Card, |
| 14:44.30 | vsd | daemons |
| 14:44.34 | yang | benjamindees: well the NIC interface is not being recongnised |
| 14:44.35 | vsd | nevyn, ^ |
| 14:44.54 | rahsputin | i tried out Damnsmalllinux and its xfree86 reconizes it no prob's. |
| 14:44.58 | yang | zophy: this is what I have e100 |
| 14:45.22 | nevyn | vsd: ps -ef will give you everything netstat -l should be close to what you want tho. |
| 14:45.23 | stew | !vmware support |
| 14:45.23 | dpkg | somebody said vmware support was not offered here; go to <http://vmware.com/support> or join #vmware on irc.freenode.net |
| 14:45.28 | zophy | yang, any problems with your e100 ? |
| 14:45.57 | yang | zophy: its being recongnised later as eth0 and the network works on it, over cable |
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| 14:47.20 | zophy | hmmm, mine worked with winxp, after i ran the debian installer it no longer works |
| 14:47.43 | yang | zophy: worked in 2.6.22 and also in 2.6.24 |
| 14:47.57 | yang | zophy: I guess it depends on vaio model |
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| 14:48.18 | soussou | I have just installed kdevelop under XFCE, but I can't locate it, although the installation was successful |
| 14:48.25 | soussou | anyone knows what happened? |
| 14:48.37 | themill | soussou: just run kdevelop from the command line |
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| 14:48.50 | soussou | themill: I did, but nothing happened |
| 14:48.58 | zophy | yang can you run lspci and tell me rev number of your 82667 dhip ? |
| 14:49.02 | yang | sure |
| 14:49.05 | yang | hold on |
| 14:49.34 | soussou | all it says is : KDE Daemon (kded) already running |
| 14:49.42 | zophy | 82557 chip |
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| 14:49.56 | soussou | does this mean I can't run KDE apps under XFCE? |
| 14:50.11 | soussou | by the way, I am trying XFCE for the very first time |
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| 14:51.07 | yang | 06:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82562EM/EX/GX - PRO/100 VM (LOM) Ethernet Controller Mobile (rev 03) |
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| 14:51.30 | yang | 06:0b.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05) this one for wireless |
| 14:51.35 | rahsputin | Hi, i have a Toshiba Satellite 110CT and installed Sarge... ( minimum install ) xserver-xfree86 will not reconize my Graphic Card, |
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| 14:51.59 | zophy | yang, thanks, my chip is much older |
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| 14:52.15 | yang | zophy: did you manage to get wireless working ? |
| 14:52.31 | rahsputin | would xserver-xorg be helpful from backends ? |
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| 14:52.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 14:52.55 | zophy | this is an older thinkpad A22p with no internal wireless |
| 14:53.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've got a question about hardware: |
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| 14:53.06 | rahsputin | hi |
| 14:53.20 | zophy | yang, this is an older thinkpad A22p with no internal wireless |
| 14:53.26 | yang | zophy: ah thinkpad |
| 14:53.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | My current desktop computer has the following specs: Athlon X2 3800+, 1GB RAM, nVidia 7600GT |
| 14:53.28 | benjamindees | rahsputin, what does lspci say your card is? |
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| 14:53.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm building a new one with Athlon X2 6400+ Black Edition, 4GB RAM, nVidia 8800GTS |
| 14:54.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm wondering if I can just yank out the hard drive from the old one, stick it in the new one, and have it work fine without reinstallation |
| 14:54.12 | benjamindees | rahsputin, some type of S3 ? |
| 14:54.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can't see any reason why it won't work, but I just wanna be sure |
| 14:54.20 | MolePrince | I have one existing Linux RAID Autodetect partitions on each of two SATA drives. How may I mount them as a RAID device without destroying the data on them and reinitializing please? |
| 14:54.33 | rahsputin | benjamindees: in about 10 minutes i'll know |
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| 14:54.37 | rahsputin | :D |
| 14:54.41 | rahsputin | brb |
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| 14:56.44 | wickers | does debian have support for the security block on Geode LX platforms?? |
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| 14:57.45 | opensrcguru | MolePrince: what raid level? |
| 14:57.57 | Phil4 | say I wanted to limit the total bandwidth usage of a server, how would I go about this? |
| 14:58.09 | Phil4 | bandwidth in bps, that is |
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| 15:01.18 | DGnome | Phil4: wondershaper might be of use for you, also l7-filter, both are made limiting and prioritising traffic |
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| 15:01.30 | adedov | hi! what is the best way to add my application into debian repository? should I maintain package personally or it is better to add it to wishlist? |
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| 15:02.28 | benjamindees | adedov, both |
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| 15:02.51 | Phil4 | thanks DGnome |
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| 15:03.50 | DGnome | Phil4: l7-filter is better but requires som un-debian-like methods to maintain :/ |
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| 15:03.56 | adedov | benjamindees: if I will create a package myself why it should appear in wishlist? |
| 15:04.11 | DGnome | Phil4: mainly the iptables patch that is rewuired |
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| 15:04.24 | DGnome | Phil4: required.. |
| 15:04.27 | vsd | does the apache in debian stable have special security enhancements by debian? |
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| 15:08.42 | Cyorxamp | Lo, if I wanted to dist-upgrade my etch to lenny, and possibly again to sid... is there a way of getting back to etch if I don't like it? |
| 15:09.05 | kiahjko | Cyorxamp: short answer is no |
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| 15:09.28 | Cyorxamp | kiahjko: OK what might be the best way of imaging my current set up before I try this? |
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| 15:11.12 | raboof | I'm scp'ing a file from an ubuntu machine to a debian machine. scp reports '100%', but then hangs. on the server side, the file does get created, but remains at 0 bytes. |
| 15:11.13 | kiahjko | Cyorxamp: yes, but i dont recall the names |
| 15:11.15 | raboof | what could be wrong? |
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| 15:11.36 | kiahjko | like, disk-utils or something should have a program to do the job |
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| 15:11.56 | kiahjko | sry... |
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| 15:12.31 | vsd | should i change the default apache bundled with debian stable? |
| 15:12.36 | vsd | my aim is security |
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| 15:13.04 | SlayerXP | vsd: then don't change the default apache bundled with debian stable |
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| 15:13.23 | vsd | SlayerXP, but it's outdated? |
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| 15:13.29 | vsd | s/?// |
| 15:14.00 | benjamindees | someone convince me that I shouldn't disable avahi... |
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| 15:14.15 | kiahjko | Cyorxamp: http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/12/burn-cd-images-in-linux-command-line.html check out that one if you intend to burn it directly to a cdrom |
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| 15:14.44 | SlayerXP | vsd: you're confused. "current version" and "security" are incompatible requirements |
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| 15:14.50 | kiahjko | mkisofs is the name of the beast ^^ |
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| 15:16.46 | tuxx | Hello. During apt-get upgrade on my Lenny I'm told that linux-image-2.6-amd64 has been hold back (and therefore not installed). I'm already running 2.6.22-3-amd64 - first, why is it holding back that upgrade and second, can I automatically prevent it from ever to upgrade kernel? I'm running Linux Software raid and I'm scared to death that my setup will break from an unlucky kernel-update... |
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| 15:17.19 | stew | tuxx: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 15:18.10 | tuxx | stew: thanks. I'm a bit further now :) |
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| 15:19.24 | tuxx | Do I run any risk from updating my kernel or is it version changes I should avoid? |
| 15:19.43 | asf | i lost the answer referring to the "should i change the default debian stable apache, even if there's a newer version of apache available" |
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| 15:19.46 | lunaphyte_ | there is always risk. |
| 15:20.03 | lunaphyte_ | keep your old one until you are comfortable with the new one. |
| 15:20.30 | maligor | tuxx, the worst that can happen is that the new kernel decides to overwrite your entire disk with random data a few times over, and then overclock all your system components |
| 15:20.49 | maligor | well, theoretically possible anyway |
| 15:20.54 | tuxx | maligor: ok it it aint worse than that I'll skip right to it! :-P |
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| 15:21.09 | vvd | anyone else here using lenny with gnome (updated to current versions)? my nautilus cant open READMEs or shellscripts |
| 15:21.57 | maligor | tuxx, usually the worst that can happen is filesystem corruption or so, but that's pretty rare |
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| 15:22.06 | tuxx | At the bottom http://www200.pair.com/mecham/raid/raid1-page3.html of that page you'll find my reason to be affraid of it. |
| 15:22.07 | maligor | or unstability |
| 15:22.34 | maligor | actually filesystem corruption is so rare, I've never had it, except with reiserfs |
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| 15:22.50 | tuxx | I've runned Linux for many years and always thrown all updates after my boxes.. however this is my first with raid |
| 15:23.41 | maligor | just keep the old kernel available if the new one doesn't work |
| 15:23.45 | lunaphyte_ | i just recently updated an ubuntu computer that uses lvm on top of software raid, and it was a horrific nightmare. |
| 15:23.56 | lunaphyte_ | even having kept the previous kernel. |
| 15:24.17 | limpio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:24.46 | vsd | can anyone paste his $PATH? i accidentally erased mine |
| 15:24.55 | tuxx | What causes those issues when running raid? |
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| 15:25.39 | Bushmills | vsd: . /etc/profile |
| 15:26.14 | rahsputin | benjamindees: lspci reads : pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci lspci: Cannot find any working access method. |
| 15:27.15 | lunaphyte_ | tuxx: somehow a couple of my md devices "went away". |
| 15:27.30 | tuxx | Seems it want someday to install 2.6.24 on top of my .23 .. should I be affraid? |
| 15:28.10 | tuxx | lunaphyte_: that is what I want to avoid. I have _all_ the houses' files on it (and on DVD too) but I've put alot of energy in my setup so loosing it all would be a nightmare afterall |
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| 15:29.01 | tuxx | From what I can see it's only the kernel that's "ready" for upgrade.. not anything else so far. |
| 15:29.04 | zophy | how can i get a netstat listing of iptables' masqueraded connections ? |
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| 15:29.28 | Bushmills | tuxx: against losing things, that's what backups are good |
| 15:29.39 | Aleksander-pl | Hello. Did any of You know, how to repair VMware bridged network on wifi lan? |
| 15:29.53 | Aleksander-pl | I found http://communities.vmware.com/message/761031#761031 - but it doesn't work for me |
| 15:30.26 | tuxx | Bushmills: Those I have.. time however I do not have a backup of... :) |
| 15:30.30 | Aleksander-pl | I configured VMware correctly, but Bridged Network doesn't start, as I have wireless lan. |
| 15:30.35 | Aleksander-pl | it simply "fails". |
| 15:30.47 | evilstrike | hello, im trying to install debian on a system with raid5 that has a total of 2.8TB. I know fdisk does not support >2TB drive so im trying to do it with "parted". My problem is that when trying to set the root partition, parted does not give me that option. anyone know why? Because of that when trying to install I got "no root partition defined" |
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| 15:32.13 | zophy | is it possible to interrupt and resume a debian net install base installation ? |
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| 15:32.30 | vsd | i don't have a wheel grp :/ |
| 15:32.32 | vsd | why? |
| 15:33.40 | zophy | is it possible to interrupt and resume a debian-installer net-install "base installation" ? |
| 15:34.40 | benjamindees | zophy, not really |
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| 15:35.43 | lunaphyte_ | vsd:go ask stallman. |
| 15:35.59 | vsd | lunaphyte: wtf? |
| 15:36.09 | vsd | ok then how do i let my user use sudo |
| 15:36.35 | lunaphyte_ | no joke. |
| 15:36.41 | lunaphyte_ | sudo isn't related to wheel though. |
| 15:37.00 | lunaphyte_ | or any other specific group, really. |
| 15:37.08 | lunaphyte_ | you can configure it however you like. |
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| 15:38.50 | lunaphyte_ | vsd: http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/su-invocation.html |
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| 15:39.52 | vsd | i didn't ask for su, i need sudo |
| 15:40.04 | DoppleGanger | vsd: consult the gorgeous manual |
| 15:40.10 | vsd | which one |
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| 15:40.47 | Cyorxamp | vsd: as root (su) edit /etc/sudoers and add... |
| 15:40.52 | Cyorxamp | yourusername ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 15:40.55 | Cyorxamp | to the bottom of the file |
| 15:41.06 | Cyorxamp | you'll find sudo works then |
| 15:41.32 | lunaphyte_ | vsd, you asked why you don't have a wheel group, that's why. |
| 15:41.41 | hermes` | sup |
| 15:41.59 | DoppleGanger | vsd: apropos sudo :-) |
| 15:42.14 | vsd | thanks |
| 15:42.18 | vsd | but is there a manual? |
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| 15:42.25 | DoppleGanger | man sudo he he |
| 15:43.13 | zophy | Cyorxamp, isn't that a bit too liberal ? |
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| 15:43.59 | zophy | Cyorxamp, sorry, ignore that, i misinterpreted what i read :) |
| 15:44.35 | vsd | no just for sudo |
| 15:44.42 | vsd | for all that i might need |
| 15:45.09 | vsd | does the apache bundled in debian stable contain patches made by the debian team? |
| 15:45.14 | vsd | and security fixes? |
| 15:45.50 | benjamindees | hmm, unison seems to spend a lot of time 'looking for changes' in files that only exist in one of the two directories to be synced... |
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| 15:46.45 | jelly | vsd: it definitely has security fixes. As for the patches, you'd best take a look at debian's source package (apt-get source apache2)... there's probably a good number of patches |
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| 15:55.46 | sohmestra | is there any trick I can use to find out the make/model of my tape drive from the commandline? |
| 15:55.55 | sohmestra | it's a scsi drive |
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| 15:57.09 | WormFood | sohmestra, have you looked in /proc? |
| 15:57.18 | benjamindees | cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 15:57.29 | WormFood | I'm 99% sure you can find that info in there |
| 15:57.58 | rahsputin | what do need to install a desktop based system... i have xdm.. fluxbox... xserver-xfree86 ... do i need more |
| 15:58.23 | sohmestra | WormFood: yeah, it's not showing up. only info about my scsi controller |
| 15:58.34 | donald_ | i put some lines in /etc/rc.local for powertop settings. on bootup the settings are not applied and i have to manually do "/etc/init.d/rc.local start" to have them?? |
| 15:58.35 | WormFood | you don't need X11 to have a desktop system |
| 15:58.40 | benjamindees | rahsputin, are you sure you'd rather not have gnome or kde? |
| 15:58.49 | rahsputin | very sure |
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| 15:59.01 | WormFood | you can have a console based desktop |
| 15:59.09 | benjamindees | hurr |
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| 15:59.13 | WormFood | you need to be more specific for what you ask for :P |
| 15:59.18 | rahsputin | its to much for 40MB RAM |
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| 15:59.36 | WormFood | I used to run a console based desktop for over 10 years |
| 15:59.38 | rahsputin | WormFood: how that ? |
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| 15:59.48 | WormFood | don't use X11 |
| 15:59.52 | stew | sohmestra: try lsscsi |
| 15:59.54 | maligor | rahsputin, openbox might be interesting too |
| 16:00.02 | benjamindees | yeah, with 40mb I wouldn't run x11 either |
| 16:00.18 | rahsputin | libsvga ? |
| 16:00.25 | WormFood | sohmestra, do this "find /proc|grep -i scsi", and see what you can find |
| 16:00.32 | chops | rahsputin: (a) you probably want xserver-xorg rather than xserver-xfree86 (b) X11 on 40MB is going to be a bit difficult, though I won't tell you it won't work |
| 16:00.35 | WormFood | I don't have any scsi on my system, so I can't take a look |
| 16:00.37 | benjamindees | what kinds of gui programs do you want to run? |
| 16:00.47 | maligor | could use xserver-xfbdev |
| 16:01.03 | abrotman | sohmestra: usually those show up in dmesg |
| 16:01.06 | maligor | or other forms of kdrive |
| 16:01.17 | maligor | 40mb should be enough for a full x11 tho |
| 16:01.31 | chops | rahsputin: Debian in general will be difficult on that system (dpkg/apt will swap like hell, for example), though it'll work |
| 16:01.55 | abrotman | sohmestra: like " Vendor: Quantum Model: DLT4000 Rev: D991 |
| 16:01.55 | abrotman | " |
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| 16:02.19 | benjamindees | 64mb is the lowest I've gone for a usable gui; and that was running opera and nothing else |
| 16:02.30 | rahsputin | so i should leave xdm i am using "sarge" for "Etch" wants a minimum of 48MB |
| 16:02.50 | abrotman | rahsputin: that's to install .... etch will "run" in less |
| 16:03.02 | maligor | there's matchbox too :P |
| 16:03.23 | rahsputin | to install it runs lowmem but on reboot nothing it freezes |
| 16:03.26 | shib | how can I use a custom postinst file for a dpkg install? |
| 16:03.54 | n3kl | Is it acceptable to add users to the ssh group? Is this wise admin practice? |
| 16:04.09 | abrotman | shib: edit the one in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 16:04.26 | shib | abrotman: it always seems to be replaced when i install the .deb |
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| 16:04.30 | chops | shib: Rebuild the package with the appropriate postinst (or if you just want a one-time thing on your local system, run your custom postinst script by hand after installing :-) |
| 16:04.44 | _ZeuZ_ | Guys, I need some help... has LiLO got any auto recognicion command? cuz I installed Slackware on another partition having Debian in an extended one /dev/sda3 for / on debian and /dev/sda4 for /home, Slackware is located at /dev/sda5 but I cannot make it boot to Debian... |
| 16:04.51 | shib | it won't install, is the problem |
| 16:04.51 | rahsputin | so xserver-xorg fluxbox would be enough ? |
| 16:05.03 | shib | because of dpkg's changed handleing of update-alternatives |
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| 16:05.42 | WormFood | sohmestra, did you try "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" and see what it gives you |
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| 16:05.48 | maligor | _ZeuZ_, grub would be easier since it doesn't need to know the absolute position |
| 16:06.11 | maligor | you can just point grub to (hdX,X)/boot/vmlinuz |
| 16:06.13 | stew | shib: what are you trying to do? |
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| 16:06.42 | shib | stew: install tetex-bin, but it complains that there's no sutable replacement for oxdvi for some reason |
| 16:06.45 | abrotman | shib: then unpack the deb .. replace it .. repack |
| 16:06.52 | _ZeuZ_ | maligor: With LiLO it didn-t recognize Slackware installed in an XFS partition xD |
| 16:06.55 | maligor | _ZeuZ_, if it's an initrd kernel, make sure you have that specified |
| 16:07.00 | abrotman | rahsputin: not likely |
| 16:07.13 | shib | abrotman: now you're cooking with gas... have you a good unpacking/repacking doc? |
| 16:07.13 | _ZeuZ_ | maligor: query? |
| 16:07.19 | stew | shib: what version of debian? |
| 16:07.30 | maligor | _ZeuZ_, yeah, I recommend using grub anyway, unless you have a specific reason to use lilo |
| 16:07.32 | rahsputin | abrotman: ? what you mean, what else do i need |
| 16:07.37 | abrotman | shib: can you show us the whole error ? |
| 16:07.41 | shib | stew: mostly sid :p |
| 16:07.44 | abrotman | rahsputin: xorg fluxbox is likely what you want |
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| 16:07.53 | stew | shib: have you checked the bts? |
| 16:08.07 | rahsputin | abrotman: ? lol |
| 16:08.17 | abrotman | , rofl |
| 16:08.31 | real0ne | any one help me to found this package etherconf |
| 16:09.00 | digi9 | Hi; I have a Core 2 Duo machine, running an i686 kernel. I just downloaded a x86_64 binary and would like to run it, but I'm not sure what I need to do. Is there a /msg dpkg topic for this? :) |
| 16:09.14 | digi9 | Do I have to reinstall Debian? |
| 16:09.21 | digi9 | Do I just need to get a 64 bit kernel? |
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| 16:09.42 | catlee | Good afternoon |
| 16:09.48 | shib | abrotman: http://fluidsolutions.ca/error.txt |
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| 16:10.05 | abrotman | shib: i see the problem .. you're canadian |
| 16:10.22 | abrotman | shib: start with the BTS .. it's likely trying to `update-alternatives` and failing |
| 16:10.23 | real0ne | any one help me to found this package etherconf |
| 16:10.24 | shib | stew: yeah, I saw a bug for it |
| 16:10.36 | shib | bug #427774 |
| 16:10.37 | abrotman | real0ne: stop repeating |
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| 16:10.52 | shib | yes abrotman I am |
| 16:11.09 | n3kl | What is the purpose of the ssh group? |
| 16:11.13 | Cyorxamp | Lo, I wanna try upgrading to lenny or sid... whats the best way of me imaging/backing up my etch setup first incase I wanna go back? |
| 16:11.18 | catlee | I'm interested in setting up a small public repository to host some of my company's software's .deb files. What are some good tools to manage generation of the Packages / Release files? |
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| 16:11.33 | abrotman | !tell catlee about repository |
| 16:11.36 | blsecres | does anyone know what package I need to install to get the libc man pages? |
| 16:11.41 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: however you'd normally backup |
| 16:11.45 | abrotman | blsecres: manpages-dev |
| 16:11.53 | abrotman | !tell Cyorxamp about etch->lenny |
| 16:12.10 | Cyorxamp | abrotman: ok so are there any dir's I can ignore backing up on my filesystem? |
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| 16:12.16 | catlee | abrotman, thx |
| 16:12.20 | shib | goes to find something for helping to unpack/repack |
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| 16:12.41 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: you'd likely want to start with /etc/ and /home/ .. depending what else the system does, you can ignore the rest |
| 16:12.55 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: but you definitely don't need /proc/ or /tmp/ |
| 16:13.03 | Cyorxamp | /dev/ ? |
| 16:13.03 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: or /dev/ |
| 16:13.06 | Cyorxamp | ok lol |
| 16:13.24 | Cyorxamp | I'll rsync all but /dev /etc and /proc onto a NAS |
| 16:13.24 | blsecres | abrotman: thanks. for some reason packages.debian.org wasn't finding that package |
| 16:14.03 | Cyorxamp | abrotman: when on sid/lenny and I wanna copy back on etch - am I best doing that from a livecd or something? |
| 16:14.15 | stew | real0ne: etherconf was removed from debian |
| 16:14.25 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: you'd have to reinstall/restore |
| 16:14.43 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: you really can't downgrade without a lot of manual pain |
| 16:14.46 | real0ne | stew and what i can do now :( |
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| 16:15.16 | Cyorxamp | abrotman: if I have a backup of all my dirs on / (except those 3) can't I just restore the files back ? |
| 16:15.52 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: you can certainly try, the idea should work, in practice might fail |
| 16:16.00 | abrotman | goes to find some food |
| 16:16.02 | Cyorxamp | but why would it? |
| 16:16.13 | stew | real0ne: edit /etc/network/interfaces manually, "man interfaces" |
| 16:16.30 | stew | real0ne: or use something like network-manager |
| 16:17.19 | real0ne | stew can i show u what i need etherconf for? |
| 16:17.45 | stew | real0ne: ok |
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| 16:18.11 | real0ne | stew http://www.squishychicken.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=2 |
| 16:18.31 | vsd | i have debian 4.0r3 and /etc/apache2/httpd.conf is empty. why? |
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| 16:18.51 | simNIX | greetings |
| 16:19.09 | stew | real0ne: i'm not going to read that whole thing |
| 16:19.20 | stew | real0ne: if you need to configure your network settings, you do it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:19.38 | real0ne | ok |
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| 16:21.02 | vekex | hi people ... someone knows postfixadmin? |
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| 16:24.29 | adama | vsd: it's deprecated. Use /etc/apache2/apache2.conf , the conf.d/ files and sites-available etc. |
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| 16:27.48 | stew | vsd: wait, adama is wrong. don't edit apache2.conf |
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| 16:28.09 | stew | vsd: the idea is that you can leave apache2.conf alone so that the debian package can update it. if you make changes to it, it cant |
| 16:28.24 | stew | vsd: if you have server-wide config, you can do it in httpd.conf (it is not deprecated) |
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| 16:28.58 | stew | vsd: if you have configuration items specific to a virtualhost (which should be more common) make them in a file in /etc/apache2/sites-available and enable the site with 'a2ensite sitename' |
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| 16:34.45 | MolePrince | Howdy, I'm having some difficulty getting Samba to show up a shared folder to a Windows machine on my network, and I can't seem to figure out why. |
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| 16:36.35 | adama | first put a debian CD in the windows box |
| 16:36.37 | adama | then reboot |
| 16:37.03 | mike1o | set boot from CD in the bios |
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| 16:37.42 | opensrcguru | does rsync have a (practical) file size limit? |
| 16:37.59 | ricosecada | How can I see how many packages I have installed from the console, without having to count "dpkg -l" |
| 16:38.21 | adama | dpkg -l |wc -l |
| 16:38.21 | dpkg | No packages found matching |wc -l |
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| 16:39.20 | ricosecada | thanks! |
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| 16:39.22 | wfq | hi guys |
| 16:39.22 | mbroeker | d_pkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l |
| 16:39.51 | adama | er yeah that would be more accurate |
| 16:39.59 | wfq | the last time I installed a printer on Debian was via using cups, is that still the easiest way? (about 4 years ago :) |
| 16:40.19 | opensrcguru | wfq: imo, yes. |
| 16:40.39 | wfq | opensrcguru, thanks |
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| 16:42.11 | mike1o | opensrcguru, what about HP ones? |
| 16:42.15 | adama | ricosecada: grep ^ii might not be the best, as I see a lot of lines start with rc as well (for me anyways). Maybe just subtract 5 (the top lines of dpkg -l) from 'dpkg -l|wc -l |
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| 16:43.14 | jelly | grep '^.i' is more correct |
| 16:43.38 | jelly | !installed |
| 16:43.38 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
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| 16:43.48 | stew | ricosecada: aptitude search '~i' | wc -l |
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| 16:44.00 | olneis | Whats up guys, informatics or CS? (your opinoin and why) |
| 16:44.07 | stew | olneis: wrong channel |
| 16:44.19 | olneis | ok nice point |
| 16:44.25 | ricosecada | thanks guys |
| 16:44.37 | benjamindees | what is the debian way to add 3rd party latex packages? |
| 16:45.08 | stew | olneis: for general chit-chat try #defocus |
| 16:45.40 | olneis | Ok thanks stew |
| 16:45.47 | wide | after running the iptables bash configuration file (with the rules), does iptables show up in top or ps? |
| 16:46.00 | rahsputin | I just downloaded xorg from the backends seit. and had to split it into 4 floppy sized parts .... i copied them ~/XORG and the endings are now .deb.gz.001 how to i combine them or decompress ? |
| 16:46.14 | jelly | opensrcguru: the practical filesize limit is "half if free disk space on the destination", unless you use --inplace |
| 16:46.25 | jelly | s/if/of/ |
| 16:46.34 | rahsputin | 001 002 and so on |
| 16:46.48 | opensrcguru | jelly: fair enough. |
| 16:47.10 | stew | ricosecada: cat file1 file2 file4 > destinationfile |
| 16:47.18 | wfq | I am installing CUPS and the installation is asking me to replace dhcpclient by dhcpclient3? Do you guys think that will affect my Network Manager configuration (I sweated blood to achieve that finally working) :) |
| 16:47.30 | stew | wide: no, it is part of the kernel |
| 16:47.38 | jelly | opensrcguru: my $HOME has a 100GB sparse file that rsync deals with with no problems |
| 16:47.55 | ricosecada | stew, rahsputin the answer where for you :-) |
| 16:48.14 | stew | ooop |
| 16:48.17 | chops | This isn't meant as sarcasm, but as a genuine question from one not very familiar with Java: Is there a reason Debian uses Java's ridiculous "all classes go into a random .jar somewhere which you have to put in your CLASSPATH" technique in places? |
| 16:48.19 | ricosecada | stew, np |
| 16:48.33 | stew | rahsputin: cat file1 file2 file4 > destinationfile |
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| 16:48.41 | jelly | chops: what is the alternative? |
| 16:48.42 | chops | I would expect that Debian would prefer a saner solution, such as putting all the .class files into a big hierarchy somewhere |
| 16:48.51 | rahsputin | stew ricosecada ;) thanx |
| 16:49.09 | chops | jelly: Or at least put everything in jar files in /usr/share/java (including things that currently don't put them there, like ant and tomcat) |
| 16:49.14 | Metalero | Hi, can anybody please help me to install a USB-Wireless Trendnet TEW-424UB? |
| 16:49.20 | jelly | chops: .jars take less space? :-) |
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| 16:49.49 | rahsputin | and file 3 too yes |
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| 16:49.53 | rahsputin | ? |
| 16:50.23 | chops | jelly: It seems to me like it makes about as much sense as leaving all shared libraries in their .deb files in /var/cache/apt or wherever, and having the dynamic linker uncompress and extract them on the fly |
| 16:50.43 | Metalero | a little help please? |
| 16:50.54 | benjamindees | chops, I have a feeling it's because there are multiple implementations of several classes |
| 16:51.15 | benjamindees | also, that's how java and gcj do it so *shrug* |
| 16:51.40 | rahsputin | and also .gz to destination file and then decompress ? |
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| 16:51.58 | chops | The problem it's currently causing me is that I need to build something that depends on an interface that depends on javax.servlet.http.HttpServletRequest, and I can't figure out what I should be adding to my CLASSPATH to get it (and I'm assuming that once I add that .jar, I'll need to add about 380 others before I'm done) |
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| 16:52.10 | rahsputin | yeah it worked !! |
| 16:52.27 | stew | chops: you shouldn't have to have a CLASSPATH in general |
| 16:53.04 | chops | benjamindees: Well, that's a problem too :-). There are perl packages that do that (e.g. twiki with libalgorithm-diff-perl), and it was quite properly filed as a bug and the package adjusted to use the "correct" version of the multiply-implemented perl package. |
| 16:53.07 | stew | chops: your java implementation should know to pick up stuff in /usr/share/java |
| 16:53.42 | Faithful | how do you control what services start at startup with debian? |
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| 16:53.51 | chops | stew: Ah, but it's not in /usr/share/java. It's somewhere in /usr/share/tomcat5.5/, or perhaps a subdirectory, or perhaps somewhere entirely different... |
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| 16:54.18 | adama | Faithful: man update-rc.d |
| 16:54.21 | chops | It seems like java is designed for environments without package management, and so people just copy .jar files around until it all more or less works. |
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| 16:54.44 | opensrcguru | jelly: cool. i was curious becasue rsync AND plain old cp pukes while trying to copy a 6GB file to a smbfs mounted volume....perhaps its a smbfs thing. |
| 16:54.49 | Faithful | adama: tnx |
| 16:54.57 | chops | ... but I can't see the upside to duplicating that brokenness in Debian. |
| 16:55.26 | opensrcguru | jelly: funny. the destination file size is exatly 2GB. |
| 16:55.34 | stew | chops: i definately wouldn't expect you to have to set a CLASSPATH to use a pacakged version of tomcat |
| 16:55.37 | stew | chops: if you do, file a bug |
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| 16:56.23 | wfq | I can print a test page from the cup interface but not from my pdf application for example. I think that is a problem of adding the current user to any other group? I can not see cups in /etc/group |
| 16:56.52 | jelly | opensrcguru: I think it _is_ a smbfs thing, for some versions of smb. But my win2003 file server mounted as cifs handles large files just fine |
| 16:56.58 | stew | chops: you might want to ask these questions in #debian-java on irc.debian.org |
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| 16:58.04 | opensrcguru | jelly: weird. ext3 supports files >= 2GB and smbfs does not. looks like good old ftp to the rescue. |
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| 16:58.26 | jelly | opensrcguru: use cifs? |
| 16:58.30 | WormFood | ftp? why not use tar and netcat? |
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| 16:58.44 | jelly | (why not rsync over ssh) |
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| 16:59.46 | chops | stew: I'm not just trying to launch tomcat, I'm trying to compile against a J2EE-provided class. Oog... I think I just figured it out. All of the tomcat classes are going to collide with each other, so you need to limit each version of tomcat to its own CLASSPATH in order to support having multiple versions installed alongside each other. |
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| 16:59.56 | chops | stew: Anyway, I'll take my comments to #debian-java. Thanks! |
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| 17:00.30 | jelly | opensrcguru: eg. this was copied from my machine to the windows fileserver with no issues: -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly users 2357104640 2008-01-02 16:32 CentOS-4.5-i386-binDVD.iso |
| 17:00.37 | chops | dons asbestos trousers, as he can't imagine that the way Java is structured in Debian is any sort of accident and doesn't expect #debian-java to immediately see the error of their ways and adopt his suggestions :-) |
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| 17:01.08 | stew | chops: do you have one of the libservelet2.X-java packages installed? |
| 17:01.52 | jelly | chops: meh, we (the installations of tomcat at work) use tomcat from upstream .tar in /opt/tomcat, and a custom init script |
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| 17:02.27 | jelly | chops: the debian tomcat setup is just... weird. |
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| 17:04.11 | chops | stew: I do... oh, perhaps the problem is that the build script I'm using simply doesn't include /usr/share/java/ in its CLASSPATH. |
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| 17:04.31 | chops | jelly: How is it weird? |
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| 17:05.05 | stew | chops: it shouldn't have to, javac should know to include it afaik |
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| 17:05.38 | jelly | chops: don't remember the details, but it was sufficiently different from upstream that I didn't make it work in an hour or so |
| 17:07.18 | chops | stew: Apparently it doesn't when using ant :-(. Modifying build.xml made it work though. |
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| 17:07.19 | Suprano | where would i put stuff like textures for my program in the linux directory tree? |
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| 17:07.44 | Suprano | /usr/share/appname ? |
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| 17:07.58 | chops | stew: (Modifying build.xml to include /usr/share/java/**/*.jar in the classpath made it work that is) |
| 17:08.36 | likuidkewl | Does there happen to be a Zenoss Guru in here, as the #Zenoss Channel is dead! |
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| 17:08.58 | k1ckn1ck | hi, i have just rm a file, is there any way of recovering it? |
| 17:09.15 | abrotman | !undelete |
| 17:09.15 | dpkg | hmm... undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 17:09.23 | Suprano | k1ckn1ck: first, do not write anything on the partition anymore |
| 17:09.27 | chops | k1ckn1ck: Kill the power to the machine immediately if you can |
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| 17:09.39 | chops | k1ckn1ck: That'll make it less likely that the file will be overwritten |
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| 17:10.02 | k1ckn1ck | ok its off |
| 17:10.02 | chops | k1ckn1ck: Then try to recover the file without writing anything else to the disk |
| 17:10.04 | wfq | What could the difference be between openoffice is able to print a document and not the acroread i.e? |
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| 17:10.16 | k1ckn1ck | recover using what? |
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| 17:11.39 | rahsputin | If i add debian-backports (sarge) to sources.list must i # the stable ones ? |
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| 17:13.17 | abrotman | rahsputin: no .. you sohuld not comment the normal sources |
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| 17:14.13 | rahsputin | where can i find a descent backport address... the one i have entered doesnt exist |
| 17:14.21 | stew | rahsputin: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 17:14.31 | rahsputin | ah ;) |
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| 17:15.16 | ace | hello there, do you know if i can install a debian 32b on a 64b intel processor? and if yes, can i use the 12gb of ram available on the server? |
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| 17:15.28 | chops | k1ckn1ck: See what dpkg told you |
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| 17:15.58 | intr80_ | ace: You probably cannot address all that memory in 32 bit mode |
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| 17:16.21 | chops | ace: You can install Debian 32-bit on that server, and I believe that with a bigmem kernel it will use all 12 GB of RAM. You won't be able to address more than 2-3 gigs (forget where the limit is) from a single process with a 32-bit system, though. |
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| 17:16.48 | ace | chops: ok it s what i thought |
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| 17:18.24 | helo | k1ckn1ck: what kind of file was it? |
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| 17:18.55 | helo | recover - Undelete files on ext2 partitions |
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| 17:19.48 | stew | k1ckn1ck: what filesysstem are you using? ext3? if so, the above won't work |
| 17:20.00 | k1ckn1ck | debian standard |
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| 17:20.11 | k1ckn1ck | not sure on the format |
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| 17:20.13 | stew | k1ckn1ck: there isn't one |
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| 17:20.17 | stew | k1ckn1ck: "mount" would tell you |
| 17:20.26 | k1ckn1ck | ok |
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| 17:28.09 | meng_ | what java package do i need to install to enable jre support for the broswer on etch? |
| 17:28.55 | abrotman | meng_: apt-cache search java plugin |
| 17:28.59 | stew | meng_: are you wanting to use the non-free java from sun or a free gnu implementation? |
| 17:29.23 | meng_ | which ever easilest |
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| 17:29.29 | shad0w1e | how do I check if my eth0 is running in promiscuous mode? |
| 17:29.48 | abrotman | shad0w1e: ifconfig eth0 should tell you |
| 17:30.08 | stew | meng_: aptitude install gcjwebplugin ; expect bugs |
| 17:30.14 | shad0w1e | then I guess it isn't running. How do I enable it? |
| 17:30.17 | abrotman | i thought ... |
| 17:30.47 | stew | shad0w1e: 'ifconfig eth0 primisc' to enable it |
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| 17:31.06 | shad0w1e | nice, how do I enable it on boot? I assume its in the interfaces file, but what do I do? |
| 17:31.10 | meng_ | would this be what i needed "java-gcj-compat-plugin" |
| 17:31.11 | shad0w1e | thanks stew |
| 17:31.13 | stew | shad0w1e: why do you want to? |
| 17:31.24 | shad0w1e | Im running snort |
| 17:31.37 | stew | shad0w1e: snort should enable it then |
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| 17:31.42 | stew | i'd think |
| 17:31.53 | abrotman | be kind of useless without? |
| 17:31.58 | shad0w1e | well snort is running, I ran ifconfig eth0 |grep promis |
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| 17:32.00 | shad0w1e | and saw nothing |
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| 17:32.11 | stew | shad0w1e: ifconfig eth0 | grep -i promis |
| 17:32.28 | shad0w1e | nothing |
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| 17:32.57 | shad0w1e | good call on the -i though, but didn't help... |
| 17:33.02 | PriitM_Laptop | hi, having trouble with iwconfig and essid choice at bootup. I got network settings set in /etc/network/interfaces, yet debian etc tries to connect to random open essid, instead of mine |
| 17:33.27 | stew | shad0w1e: if you need to manually set it when starting snort, then edit the snort startup file |
| 17:33.39 | meng_ | do i need to setup anything after installing java-gcj-compat-plugin? |
| 17:33.54 | lassiethebrave | I've just changed my laptop to the amd64 version of lenny and all is well except for wireless networking, the correct driver is loaded (bcm43xx) and i have used the bcm43xx-fwcutter to get me the firmware, but the driver claims (dmesg...) that the firmware is "not available" or that "load failed". the .fw files are in /lib/firmware. and everything looks, well, like it did before the change... |
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| 17:35.12 | stew | meng_: oh yeah, i guess it is java-gcj-compat-plugin not gcjwebplugin in etch. and no, there is nothing else you should need to setup. you should see the plugin now when you go to "about:plugin" in your browser |
| 17:35.34 | shad0w1e | stew, interesting idea. thanks |
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| 17:36.02 | shad0w1e | although if i restart networking, it might render snort useless unless I re-enable promiscuous mode |
| 17:36.07 | meng_ | it working, thanks |
| 17:36.34 | shad0w1e | actually restarting networking doesn't work anyway, for some reason... it keeps my default gateway unless I reboot .... |
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| 17:39.29 | abrotman | PriitM_: can you paste your interfaces file? |
| 17:39.31 | abrotman | argh .. he left |
| 17:40.42 | wfq | has anyone of you guys had problem to print from a pdf application via cups? |
| 17:40.57 | PriitM_ | I'm actually here, but with other PC, one moment |
| 17:41.09 | Cayn | wfq: Does printing work with other applications? |
| 17:41.22 | wfq | Cayn, yes it does |
| 17:41.42 | Cayn | Then it's probably your app or a common UE |
| 17:41.45 | PriitM_ | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/967796 |
| 17:42.05 | real0ne | when i make svn .... |
| 17:42.12 | real0ne | he don't anwser me |
| 17:42.13 | wfq | Cayn, acroread is telling me that the lpr command is wrong but I can not find where I can change that in the pdf app nor cups |
| 17:42.34 | stew | real0ne: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:42.37 | streuner | wfq: is cupsys-bsd installed? |
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| 17:42.59 | wfq | stretmer, that is the lpr interface of cupsys-bsd? |
| 17:43.02 | wfq | sorry for cups? |
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| 17:43.33 | streuner | !info cupsys-bsd |
| 17:43.38 | dpkg | cupsys-bsd: (Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - BSD commands), section net, is extra. Version: 1.3.6-3 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 17:43.42 | lassiethebrave | Allow me to rephrase; how would I go about making the bcm43xx find its firmware and be able to load it? (it currently resides in /lib/firmware and refuses to be loaded) |
| 17:44.19 | wfq | streuner, it is now definitely working |
| 17:44.23 | wfq | streuner, thanks |
| 17:44.24 | streuner | in order to use acroread with CUPS just install cupsys-bsd |
| 17:44.27 | streuner | np |
| 17:44.53 | real0ne | stew http://paste.debian.net/52451 |
| 17:44.55 | wfq | I figured out that when I did apt-cache search lpr | grep cups but I did not installed |
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| 17:45.25 | real0ne | stew and more svn link |
| 17:45.51 | stew | real0ne: does the url work in your browser? |
| 17:45.52 | wfq | realONe, do yo uhave a firewalls? |
| 17:45.59 | wfq | realONe, that worked for me |
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| 17:46.29 | adama | lassiethebrave: check out b43-fwcutter |
| 17:46.52 | real0ne | wfq i have fire wall on router but on debian i don't know how can i see it |
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| 17:47.42 | adama | lassiethebrave: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ |
| 17:48.03 | wfq | realOne, well if that is your debian and you did not do anything on your own to have firewall you don't have |
| 17:48.17 | stew | real0ne: does a web browser work? |
| 17:48.37 | real0ne | stew my web broser worck but the link no |
| 17:48.44 | lassiethebrave | adama: I did that one first, but it seems none of them work, the strange part is that all files seem present in the right place I gfeel they should be loaded and the fail... |
| 17:49.32 | wfq | stew, realOne, the link can not work because is a svn address? If you remove the last part it works |
| 17:50.19 | wfq | stew, I think what realOne says is, when you type the command you get the system doing nothing? No answers, nothing? |
| 17:51.13 | real0ne | yes wfq |
| 17:51.21 | adama | lassiethebrave: I got that chip to work on my girlfriend's laptop but I can't remember how |
| 17:51.24 | wfq | realONe, is that debian yours? |
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| 17:51.35 | real0ne | yes |
| 17:51.38 | real0ne | i have debian |
| 17:52.23 | real0ne | wfq |
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| 17:53.09 | riot | hi |
| 17:53.18 | lassiethebrave | adama: It just seems strange that it worked in the 32 bit installation... |
| 17:53.46 | adama | oh yeah that could be a problem, I've run into lots of 32/64 weirdness |
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| 17:55.19 | wfq | realONe, is that working for you svn co svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-kde/ |
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| 17:55.41 | wfq | *realOne |
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| 17:56.37 | dustybin | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -dport 25 -m string --string "Buy Now" -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset <-- how to stop spam |
| 17:56.53 | dustybin | by znx |
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| 17:57.27 | real0ne | wfq that worck fine |
| 17:57.49 | real0ne | wfq can u explain me plz what doase this command do svn co svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-kde/ |
| 17:57.52 | wfq | then you are being blocked by someone's policy? |
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| 17:58.22 | wfq | you are retrieving the last version of the code in that place |
| 17:58.35 | wfq | are you sure your former url is not working? |
| 17:58.51 | real0ne | wfq former url??? |
| 17:59.20 | wfq | the first url you posted on here |
| 18:00.30 | real0ne | yes |
| 18:00.40 | real0ne | wfq he don't worck for me |
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| 18:01.44 | wfq | what about if you remove the last part of the url and then you type in your addresses bar: svn co http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/branches |
| 18:01.52 | wfq | in your browser |
| 18:01.53 | wfq | ? |
| 18:02.21 | real0ne | wfq i see this |
| 18:02.23 | real0ne | http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/branches |
| 18:02.28 | real0ne | sorry |
| 18:02.30 | real0ne | not this |
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| 18:03.47 | wfq | don't you have another machine around where you can check if that svn-url is working? it looks like you are been forbidden by someone else to get there |
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| 18:05.32 | lassiethebrave | Has anybody managed to get the bcm43xx driver working on a 64 bit installation? |
| 18:06.15 | real0ne | wfq i have thsi link http://svn.digium.com/xslt/svnindex.xsl |
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| 18:08.49 | ReinH | What would the @ mean in this ls -l line? /part |
| 18:08.52 | ReinH | sry |
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| 18:10.13 | real0ne | wfq are u here |
| 18:10.29 | wfq | see me on private |
| 18:10.37 | chops | !tell lassiethebrave about anyone |
| 18:10.39 | lontra | is there a simple image manipulator for gnome like paintbrush in windows? gimp is a little too overwhelming for what i need to do |
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| 18:13.09 | lassiethebrave | Well then, How would I get the bcm43xx driver, wich worked fine on this machine with 32 bit lenny but not at all with the 64 version, to load its firmware (downloaded and present in /lib/firmware by means of bcm43xx-fwcutter)? |
| 18:13.35 | abrotman | lontra: xpaint |
| 18:13.42 | abrotman | or kpaint .. something like that |
| 18:13.44 | lassiethebrave | lontra: tuxpaint? |
| 18:14.06 | n0mad | mm small q, raid on debian is problematic thing (i never maked raid..) ? |
| 18:14.46 | chops | n0mad: I've used RAID on Debian for quite a while without a problem |
| 18:14.59 | n0mad | mm is it hard to create ? |
| 18:15.28 | chops | lassiethebrave: What does it do instead of loading? Any error message? |
| 18:15.32 | lontra | thanks i'll try one of those |
| 18:15.37 | chops | lassiethebrave: What kernel versions on the two machines? Is there anything in the BTS? |
| 18:15.44 | n0mad | w.well then if raid works tehn ok |
| 18:15.47 | chops | s/two machines/two systems/ |
| 18:16.22 | Lagbolt | n0mad, software raid is easy to build |
| 18:16.57 | benjamindees | raid is not difficult at all; but I've never tried it with lvm |
| 18:16.58 | n0mad | and hardware raid ? (mainboard pd35pd intel) |
| 18:17.07 | dimes | lassiethebrave: If you load and unload the module after boot it still does nothing? |
| 18:17.07 | Lagbolt | n0mad, install mdadm and read the docs on it in /usr/share/doc/mdadm . . . there are examples |
| 18:17.20 | Lagbolt | i havent used hardware raid |
| 18:17.36 | lassiethebrave | chops : the same machine... just switched 32 to 64 bit lenny and 2.6.22 in both cases. |
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| 18:17.42 | n0mad | ok Lagbolt il try tomorow morning - now just will colect info |
| 18:17.47 | lassiethebrave | dimes: yup... |
| 18:17.52 | dimes | lassiethebrave: Anything in dmesg regarding the firmware when loading the module? |
| 18:18.14 | Lagbolt | but i would assume that if you set up the hardware raid correctly it will work just fine. i would think hardware raid is transparent to the OS? i dont know |
| 18:18.22 | benjamindees | n0mad, if you're referring to the $15 "hardware" raid cards, then it's a waste of time and doesn't support linux anyways. |
| 18:18.59 | lassiethebrave | dimes : bcm43xx_microcode5.fw not available of load failed |
| 18:19.05 | chops | Lagbolt: Hardware RAID is not always transparent to the OS (particularly if it's the kind of "hardware" RAID that mostly happens in a driver) |
| 18:19.22 | lassiethebrave | dimes: and that file is present in /lib/firmware |
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| 18:19.32 | Lagbolt | chops, cool didnt know. |
| 18:20.00 | Lagbolt | chops, raid build on the M/B . . . wouldnt that be transparent? or no? |
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| 18:20.07 | Lagbolt | built not build sorry |
| 18:20.08 | dimes | lassiethebrave: where did you get the firmware previously? |
| 18:20.11 | chops | Lagbolt: Sometimes yes, sometimes no (often no) |
| 18:20.19 | Lagbolt | good to know, thanks |
| 18:20.38 | real0ne | wfq u have say me see me in private so where ar eu :) |
| 18:20.44 | lassiethebrave | dimes: bcm43xx-fwcutter package in contrib... |
| 18:21.32 | chops | lassiethebrave: Did you re-extract the firmware on the 64-bit system? |
| 18:21.48 | lassiethebrave | chops: indeed... |
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| 18:22.37 | chops | lassiethebrave: I'd call that a bug in the kernel or the extractor package, then. Checked the BTS? |
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| 18:23.18 | lassiethebrave | chops: that be "Bug tracking System" ? (noob...) |
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| 18:23.56 | chops | lassiethebrave: Yep. /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:24.04 | Tapout | For backports.org, they've upgraded postgresql-8.3 to .. 8.3.1 ... is the method to upgrade it , apt-get -t etch-backports install postgresql-8.3 ? .. cause dist-upgrade/upgrade don't pick it up |
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| 18:24.43 | chops | Tapout: Correct; see the instructions on backports.org |
| 18:24.55 | lassiethebrave | Aha ! Solved! I mkdir'd /lib/firmware/b43legacy and cp'd teh fw files there reloaded the module and BAM wireless |
| 18:25.45 | dimes | lassiethebrave: I was just going to suggest recutting the firmware if you had't and if you had, try cutting it out on a 32bit machine and moving the firmware over |
| 18:25.48 | vsd | where do i check which services start on boot up? |
| 18:26.20 | dimes | vsd: simplest is 'ls /etc/rc2.d/' |
| 18:26.24 | wwwAndy | When I make a aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade it tries to download 400MB packages. After 350MB the connection got broken. When I restart "aptitude dis-upgrade" I expected that it would download the remaining 50MB. Instead it wants to get the hole 400MB again. Why? ans how can I stop that? |
| 18:26.37 | Tapout | chops, i did |
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| 18:26.47 | benjamindees | wwwAndy, it likely stored them in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:27.12 | wwwAndy | benjamindees: Yes, I know. But it tries to download them again |
| 18:27.17 | vsd | dimes, can't i check it all for all runlevels? |
| 18:27.17 | dimes | wwwAndy: /not too helpfull but: open a terminal and run 'sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade' |
| 18:27.21 | Tapout | i saw the Package: * .. entry, but i wanted to know :) |
| 18:27.26 | benjamindees | wwwAndy, it won't really download them; it just says it will |
| 18:27.34 | vsd | also how do i add/remove daemons/services |
| 18:27.37 | jkl | Hi, I just upgrade to 2.6.24... before, I had wlan0 interface to get internet, now, I got the same wlan0 interface and wmaster0 (another interface).. at the begining I had not internet.. later on I could make it. what is wmaster0 for?.. |
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| 18:28.07 | wwwAndy | dimes: I ran aptitude as root. And I thought I should'nt mix apt-get and aptitude? |
| 18:28.27 | lassiethebrave | dimes: Yeah well it seems the package faild to make the right directory structer expected by the driver... And there is no such "bug" reported... should one continue from here? |
| 18:28.40 | wwwAndy | benjamindees: No, it really downloads them (slow modem connection and it tooks 3hours) |
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| 18:29.54 | dimes | lassiethebrave: do you still have the directory that worked on 32bit? |
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| 18:30.13 | shib | is trying to install tetex-bin... getting a bunch of errors, been googling it for a while... have no idea wtf anymore. I have the errors for it at http://fluidsolutions.ca/tetex-bin-errors.txt if anyone wants to take a look :-/ |
| 18:30.20 | dimes | wwwAndy: aptitude is just a bolt on to apt-get |
| 18:30.37 | lassiethebrave | dimes: nope |
| 18:30.56 | dimes | lassiethebrave: I would say try recutting on a regular 32bit machine |
| 18:31.07 | lassiethebrave | dimes taking that back, I do... |
| 18:31.21 | dimes | lassiethebrave: =) with luck |
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| 18:33.01 | wwwAndy | dimes: Okay, I'll give apt-get a chance tomorrow :-) Thanks for your hint |
| 18:33.20 | chops | wwwAndy: It's fine to mix aptitude and apt-get (though aptitude is nearly always better than apt-get unless you're trying to do something only apt-get can do) |
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| 18:35.10 | dimes | wwwAndy: I am suggesting it only because aptitude seems to be caching your files elsewhere or ignoring them. If they are in the usual place apt-get will know and use them |
| 18:35.12 | wwwAndy | chops: Okay, thanks for this information. I read that (in ICQ) it could be a problem to mix them |
| 18:35.14 | real0ne | can any one say me why this link don't work svn co http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/branches/1.4 asterisk-1.4.11 |
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| 18:35.47 | wwwAndy | dimes: I'll try apt-get at work tomorrow |
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| 18:35.50 | \amethyst | real0ne: how doesn't it work? |
| 18:35.53 | wwwAndy | dimes: thanks again |
| 18:36.08 | real0ne | \amethyst when i give it into shell he don't make anything |
| 18:36.10 | dimes | real0ne: Works for me |
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| 18:36.16 | benjamindees | shib, tetex is a pseudo package on testing/sid |
| 18:36.18 | dimes | wwwAndy: np |
| 18:36.21 | \amethyst | real0ne: not even an error message? |
| 18:36.31 | real0ne | and why he don't worck for me |
| 18:36.38 | real0ne | \amethyst no errore message |
| 18:36.44 | real0ne | he still |
| 18:36.54 | \amethyst | real0ne: do you already have an asterisk-1.4.11 directory? |
| 18:37.01 | rawb | can someone tell me why "\fB" and "\fR" are being added to the beginning/end of words when viewing man pages? e.g, "\fBinstall\fR", "\fBmarkauto\fR, \fBunmarkauto\fR". it's a fresh install. |
| 18:37.07 | dimes | real0ne: Its on your side, I just used your command and it worked fine |
| 18:37.09 | real0ne | yes o thing |
| 18:37.29 | \amethyst | rawb: how are you viewing the man page? |
| 18:37.30 | real0ne | \amethyst yes |
| 18:37.35 | dimes | real0ne: try moving to /tmp and pulling it down |
| 18:37.36 | \amethyst | rawb: and what version of groff do you have? |
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| 18:37.47 | real0ne | ok |
| 18:37.55 | benjamindees | rawb, I'd like to know that too; I'm on etch, using konsole. |
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| 18:38.20 | rawb | \amethyst: via the 'man' command, groff 1.18.1. |
| 18:38.32 | real0ne | \amethyst the same thinf |
| 18:38.33 | real0ne | \amethyst the same thing |
| 18:38.49 | real0ne | but wirth other link that worck fine |
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| 18:39.05 | \amethyst | rawb: because those are font-switching codes that should be interpreted by groff |
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| 18:39.24 | benjamindees | has no groff |
| 18:39.48 | \amethyst | rawb: and what about man-db ? |
| 18:39.58 | \amethyst | real0ne: I have no clue, then... it works fine here |
| 18:40.14 | real0ne | ok |
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| 18:40.27 | ace | do you know a tool to manage multiple server? |
| 18:40.35 | rawb | \amethyst: mandb 2.4.3 |
| 18:40.47 | wfq | realOne you are NOT having problem with your svn |
| 18:40.59 | wfq | the url I gave you it worked for you |
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| 18:41.29 | wfq | ask you administrator what's going on with the machine you are using, try to use another machine or use a live version of Linux over the same machine |
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| 18:44.36 | rahsputin | hello again... when i $ lspci i get this : pcilib: cannot open /prob/bus/pci lspci:cannot find any working access method ( i use sarge on Toshiba Satellite 110CT / 99 MHz / 40MB RAM ) |
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| 18:44.42 | benjamindees | lets see, tools to manage multiple servers, ssh, apt, uml, debmirror |
| 18:45.14 | wwwAndy | rahsputin: as root or with sudo? |
| 18:45.24 | benjamindees | bash; can't forget bash :-| |
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| 18:45.50 | rahsputin | anyways user/sudo/root |
| 18:46.04 | rahsputin | wwwAndy ^^^ |
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| 18:46.41 | wwwAndy | rahsputin: /proc/bus/pci exists ? |
| 18:46.45 | benjamindees | hmm, maybe that doesn't have pci? |
| 18:47.08 | rahsputin | its alaptop |
| 18:47.14 | rahsputin | laptop :) |
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| 18:47.47 | wwwAndy | rahsputin: does /proc/bus/pci/devices exist ? |
| 18:48.52 | benjamindees | mount |grep proc |
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| 18:49.23 | rahsputin | wwwAndy in /proc/bus are only pccard and usb i dont even have usb :| |
| 18:49.50 | wwwAndy | benjamindees: mount |grep proc doesn't show pci also I have a pci bus ;-) |
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| 18:50.23 | benjamindees | wwwAndy, I'm quite aware of what it should show... |
| 18:50.51 | rahsputin | benjamindees proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 18:51.45 | rahsputin | benjamindees usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
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| 18:51.56 | rahsputin | thats it |
| 18:51.59 | wwwAndy | benjamindees: I only wanted to watch the output due to the fact that i didn't know what will be shown |
| 18:52.34 | rahsputin | but i havent got an usb on this laptop |
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| 18:52.58 | wwwAndy | rahsputin: dmesg |grep pci ? |
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| 18:53.04 | benjamindees | rahsputin, did you install on this laptop or move the hard drive? |
| 18:53.45 | rahsputin | install |
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| 18:54.15 | rahsputin | dmesg : [pci] [cardbus] [pm] |
| 18:54.52 | rahsputin | installed with floppy |
| 18:54.58 | rahsputin | floppys |
| 18:55.11 | wwwAndy | rahsputin: I see something like "ACPI: bus type pci registered" |
| 18:55.28 | stew | rahsputin: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:56.03 | benjamindees | holy crap a sarge floppy install. that takes like 100. |
| 18:56.31 | rahsputin | wwwAndy 2.4.27-3-586tsc |
| 18:56.32 | benjamindees | wait did sarge even support floppy install? |
| 18:56.44 | rahsputin | like an hour or 2 |
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| 18:57.03 | rahsputin | well i installed it |
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| 18:57.30 | rahsputin | 3 floppys boot root netwerk images |
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| 18:57.58 | benjamindees | rahsputin, dpkg -l pciutils |
| 18:58.21 | stew | rahsputin: you didn't finish installing yet, you need to install a kernel |
| 18:58.34 | stew | rahsputin: what cpu do you have? |
| 18:58.51 | benjamindees | it's a pentium 100 according to google |
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| 18:59.24 | rahsputin | something around 700 |
| 18:59.27 | stew | wait, hmm |
| 18:59.34 | stew | i thougth tsc was an install kernel, maybe it isn't |
| 19:00.01 | benjamindees | no it's a regular kernel; tsc is for genuine pentiums. |
| 19:00.03 | rahsputin | what am i looking for in dpkg -l pciutils |
| 19:00.09 | benjamindees | the version |
| 19:00.17 | philsf | After installing the amd64 arch, I noticed some packages I used in i386 are not available as binaries. why is it that some packages don't make into all architectures? |
| 19:00.27 | rahsputin | 2.1.11-15 |
| 19:00.53 | Maulkin | philsf: there can be many reasons. Do you have an example? |
| 19:01.04 | philsf | Maulkin: phylip, for one |
| 19:01.06 | philsf | Maulkin |
| 19:01.16 | philsf | Maulkin: some libs it depends on, also |
| 19:01.26 | Maulkin | looks |
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| 19:01.28 | philsf | one mesa*-dev for example |
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| 19:02.23 | Maulkin | philsf: phylip seems to be available for amd64 for lenny and above. It's also non-free, so that could be the reason |
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| 19:02.34 | steve22 | hello |
| 19:02.36 | rahsputin | is 2.1.11-15 ok ? |
| 19:02.47 | benjamindees | rahsputin, sorry, yeah that's right |
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| 19:02.59 | steve22 | My apt-get keeps trying to go to my cd/ how do i change? |
| 19:02.59 | rahsputin | np |
| 19:03.21 | philsf | Maulkin: sorry, I don't get it. why is it ok to distribute a non-free for 32bits but not 64? |
| 19:03.38 | benjamindees | I was thinking the layout of /proc changed between 2.4 and 2.6 but I don't see why lspci wouldn't work with either. |
| 19:04.11 | Maulkin | philsf: Well, if we don't have the full source, and it fails to build on amd64, we can't fix it :) |
| 19:04.15 | philsf | Maulkin: it was also binary in sarge amd64 (although in sarge I used i386) |
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| 19:05.09 | steve22 | :D |
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| 19:05.45 | rahsputin | i installed damnsmall on it before, and it worked fine .... i'd rather install the apps i need and stick to debian |
| 19:06.02 | hudu | anyone have any clue how to record (capture) the audio as it is playing through the computer? (i.e. while playing a youtube, capture the sound) |
| 19:06.14 | Maulkin | steve22: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:06.59 | Maulkin | hudu: tried "apt-cache search record sound" ? |
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| 19:07.01 | steve22 | Maulkin Ah it's coming back :D thanks |
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| 19:07.14 | hudu | Maulkin ... I'll try that, thx |
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| 19:07.31 | steve22 | Maulkin, are you using etch? |
| 19:07.47 | Maulkin | steve22: yes |
| 19:07.59 | steve22 | anychance i can have your sources.list? |
| 19:08.11 | Maulkin | No, it's... complicated :) |
| 19:08.15 | steve22 | :p oh |
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| 19:08.15 | Maulkin | However, what country are you in? |
| 19:08.25 | steve22 | US |
| 19:08.33 | philsf | Maulkin: strange. I compiled it without problems with dpkg-buildpackage, and it has full source available, AFAICT (the non-free is because of licensing issues). If I compile the missing packages from the debian src repo, is there a way to get notification of upgrades, security announcements, etc? |
| 19:08.33 | steve22 | and canada |
| 19:08.53 | steve22 | Maulkin, my debian already has wmv capability how :S |
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| 19:09.21 | Maulkin | steve22: what? |
| 19:09.25 | steve22 | like |
| 19:09.26 | stew | philsf: you can subscribe to the package at http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename or subscribe to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce for info about security releases |
| 19:09.26 | steve22 | i can watch wmv |
| 19:09.37 | steve22 | i didnt do any win32codecs nothing |
| 19:09.45 | steve22 | like out of box kinda thing, strange huh |
| 19:09.57 | philsf | stew: that's nice. Thanks |
| 19:10.16 | Maulkin | philsf: yeah, what stew said :) |
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| 19:10.21 | steve22 | Even can watch streaming movies :S Wow. |
| 19:10.24 | philsf | Maulkin: thanks, also |
| 19:10.35 | Maulkin | steve22: what are you using to watch them? |
| 19:10.38 | steve22 | totem |
| 19:10.51 | Maulkin | *shrug* Some stuff will work, yes. |
| 19:10.54 | steve22 | and even icesweasel has the totem codecs everything |
| 19:11.05 | Maulkin | ... |
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| 19:11.39 | abrotman | that won't work! |
| 19:11.39 | steve22 | Maulkin, i thought it was illegal or something to make everything work (the wmv stuff) guess not now? |
| 19:11.39 | Seb | what do i need installed on the remote server for ssh -Y to properly set DISPLAY |
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| 19:11.39 | Seb | ? |
| 19:11.39 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 19:11.39 | dpkg | from memory, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither <xhost>, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html, or try http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html |
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| 19:11.49 | Seb | abrotman: that was quick :) Thanks a lot... |
| 19:11.58 | Maulkin | philsf: hrm... |
| 19:12.11 | abrotman | seb: don't thank me til it works |
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| 19:13.02 | benjamindees | rahsputin, do you have a /sys/bus/pci ? |
| 19:13.06 | chops | steve22: It's not illegal to include the code to parse .wmv, only the codecs that are generally placed into .wmv files. |
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| 19:13.09 | rahsputin | 1 sec |
| 19:13.19 | steve22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.26 | stew | rahsputin: you might try a 2.6 kernel |
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| 19:13.59 | steve22 | chops, what wm you use |
| 19:13.59 | rahsputin | benjamindees /sys is empty |
| 19:14.22 | stew | yes, /sys doesn't exist with 2.4 kernels |
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| 19:14.48 | rahsputin | wow was tat |
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| 19:15.05 | rahsputin | can you pleaase write tat again |
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| 19:15.41 | benjamindees | rahsputin, he said /sys only exists in 2.6 kernels |
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| 19:17.12 | rahsputin | i have /sys here |
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| 19:17.12 | rahsputin | and its 2.4 |
| 19:17.12 | rahsputin | but /sys is empty |
| 19:17.12 | benjamindees | rahsputin, it's just a mount point. sarge supports either 2.4 or 2.6 |
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| 19:17.13 | Deezire | What would you guys recon to be the best raidkort (around $200) for 2p debian setup? |
| 19:17.13 | benjamindees | rahsputin, so what did you need lspci for anyways? video card? |
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| 19:17.13 | rahsputin | benjamindees exacttly |
| 19:17.13 | htmlol | whee! |
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| 19:17.43 | benjamindees | rahsputin, just try the vesa driver |
| 19:17.49 | dimes | rahsputin: btw, if you were talking about all the "leaves" it was a netsplit. You will likely see a whole bunch of joins soon |
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| 19:18.24 | abrotman | Deezire: 3ware or adaptec .. and another i can't remember |
| 19:18.49 | rahsputin | benjamindees xserver is no go spits out the lspci issue at the end |
| 19:18.49 | stew | abrotman: AMCC :) |
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| 19:19.20 | abrotman | uhm .. maybe .. but i remember a longer name starting with 'a' |
| 19:19.24 | abrotman | Akalai ? |
| 19:19.57 | dimes | Deezire: We have had really good luck with the 3ware 9650 series if you have PCIe |
| 19:20.17 | dimes | Deezire: 2 channel sata 3.0 is about $170 |
| 19:20.38 | smoke__ | im setting a server up for a small business network, would sendmail be fine? or should i look into qmail or postfix? |
| 19:20.44 | dimes | Deezire: but you need a newer than 2.6.19 kernel |
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| 19:21.08 | dimes | smoke_: postfix, simple, easier, plenty robust |
| 19:21.27 | benjamindees | postfix is easy to configure |
| 19:21.41 | dimes | wouldn't touch sendmail unless he was getting $300/hr |
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| 19:23.48 | mhymn | is back |
| 19:24.16 | jelly-home | !request Danko - Plastikpop |
| 19:24.27 | jelly-home | ECHAN |
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| 19:25.42 | quentusrex | can someone help me find out why my openvpn server and client aren't connecting??? I've turned the log verbosity up and it says that the tls key negotiation fails to occur within 60 seconds...... |
| 19:26.07 | abrotman | !tell mhymn about away |
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| 19:26.15 | benjamindees | rahsputin, try using the 'chips' driver |
| 19:26.17 | Mazingaro | please where I can find linux-image 2.6.24-1 for k7? |
| 19:26.24 | rahsputin | brb, gotta reboot |
| 19:26.42 | stew | Mazingaro: use the -686 |
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| 19:26.45 | ampex3 | is there a way with dd to make a compressed image of a hard drive? is there another app to perform this task? can I pipe dd to gzip for example? |
| 19:26.56 | benjamindees | ampex3, partimage |
| 19:26.58 | mhymn | abrotman: sorry, not familiar with this new soft. |
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| 19:27.27 | Mazingaro | stew: I found my machine freezed (ctrl + reqsys + ... still worked) |
| 19:27.41 | quentusrex | Anyone??? |
| 19:27.43 | Mazingaro | stew: I've got 2.6.22-3 and all went well |
| 19:27.56 | benjamindees | ampex3, you can pipe dd into gzip but it will take *forever*. partimage can just compress empty space. |
| 19:28.18 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: check all related firewalling devices between the client and server |
| 19:28.29 | chops | Mazingaro: The -k7 images aren't being built anymore |
| 19:28.30 | quentusrex | opensrcguru, the server has no firewall turned on. |
| 19:28.34 | stew | ampex3: gzip -c /dev/whatever > somefile.img.gz |
| 19:28.42 | Mazingaro | chops: ok |
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| 19:29.29 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: turn up logging to 4 and then pastebin the results |
| 19:29.37 | quentusrex | I have the loggin at 6 |
| 19:29.43 | quentusrex | I'll paste that. |
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| 19:30.19 | opensrcguru | make sure you pastebin the client and server logs |
| 19:30.30 | quentusrex | yup |
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| 19:32.41 | quentusrex | opensrcguru, http://pastebin.com/d7ec258d0 |
| 19:33.24 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: thanks for all the useless garble..... ;-( |
| 19:33.44 | quentusrex | lots of garble.... but that's all I got.... |
| 19:33.56 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: why tcp tunneling? |
| 19:34.19 | quentusrex | I want it all to be fully automatic... I want my clients to be able to tunnel from any network... |
| 19:34.38 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: tcp over tcp tunnel ! = a good thing |
| 19:34.59 | quentusrex | I read somewhere that tcp tunnelling was more effective at tunnelling through secure networks |
| 19:35.00 | quentusrex | ok |
| 19:35.02 | quentusrex | I'll try udp |
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| 19:35.28 | HopsNBarley | local package repo problem: i made a package with checkinstall, can install it with dpkg okay, but creating a repo and then "aptitude update" gives "E: Problem parsing dependency Depends" - any ideas? |
| 19:35.30 | opensrcguru | the tunnel transport will be udp, but the encapsulated traffic will be tcp. |
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| 19:35.51 | HopsNBarley | whoops - sorry about that. |
| 19:35.59 | quentusrex | ok |
| 19:36.12 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: mr yonan highly discourges the tcp over tcp setup. |
| 19:36.29 | quentusrex | alright. I changed it to udp |
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| 19:37.36 | libin_v | I am not able to launch vi after I switch to superuser. I am using gnome-terminal 2.22.0. |
| 19:37.50 | stew | libin_v: why not? |
| 19:38.03 | quentusrex | opensrcguru, alright I've restarted with verbosity at 4 and over udp |
| 19:38.04 | libin_v | stew: It says - bash: vi: command not found |
| 19:38.06 | quentusrex | still the same issue... |
| 19:38.20 | Deezire | Is it normal to have 1-10 load when writing files to a software-raid? And having speed down to 5MB/s from /dev/urandom to a file? |
| 19:38.27 | stew | libin_v: does "/usr/bin/vi" work? |
| 19:38.45 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: pastebin your configs too. |
| 19:38.51 | quentusrex | ok |
| 19:38.51 | stew | Deezire: yes |
| 19:39.04 | Deezire | uh, why would one want to raid then? |
| 19:39.05 | libin_v | stew: No, bash: /usr/bin/vi: No such file or directory |
| 19:39.11 | Deezire | (other than redundancy?) |
| 19:39.20 | stew | Deezire: for speed improvement |
| 19:39.33 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: i didnt see versioning info in the paste. what version are bing used? |
| 19:39.54 | Deezire | stew: What part of 5MB/s was it that you didnt get? :) |
| 19:39.59 | stew | Deezire: what? |
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| 19:40.25 | stew | Deezire: are you sure that the limiting factor is the raid and not /dev/urandom? |
| 19:40.26 | enouf | Deezire: what RAID level? |
| 19:40.31 | libin_v | stew: /usr/bin/vi points to /etc/alternatives/vi, which points to /usr/bin/vim.full |
| 19:40.34 | stew | Deezire: how much entropy is available? |
| 19:40.42 | Deezire | raid1 on two 500GB SATA II |
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| 19:40.46 | libin_v | But I am not able to find /usr/bin/vim.full |
| 19:41.02 | quentusrex | opensrcguru, http://pastebin.com/d77ec3b7f |
| 19:41.02 | enouf | Deezire: and connected to what bus? which controller? |
| 19:41.05 | stew | libin_v: try running "update-alternatives --auto vi" |
| 19:41.19 | stew | libin_v: or "update-alternatives --config vi" and manually select an implementation |
| 19:41.23 | Deezire | enouf: No idea, intel-something |
| 19:41.41 | Deezire | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m2afbf674 |
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| 19:41.55 | quentusrex | opensrcguru, OpenVPN 2.0.9 on the client and OpenVPN 2.1_rc4 on the server. |
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| 19:42.16 | libin_v | stew: Now it work, but with vim.gnome |
| 19:42.20 | enouf | Deezire: have you tried cp'ing files? how about something like bonnie++, or lbs.sf.net ? |
| 19:42.41 | stew | Deezire: do the same with of=/dev/null instead, and see what the speed is |
| 19:42.49 | Deezire | I've tried bonnie++, but couldnt get some redable and understandable information form it. |
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| 19:43.09 | stew | Deezire: you'll see that the limiting factor is the speed from which you can get bits from /dev/urandom |
| 19:43.09 | enouf | Deezire: which debian realease? cat /proc/version says? |
| 19:43.14 | libin_v | stew: Tank You |
| 19:43.21 | libin_v | stew: Thank* |
| 19:43.26 | stew | libin_v: you're welcome |
| 19:44.00 | Deezire | enouf: xend:~# uname -a |
| 19:44.00 | Deezire | Linux xend 2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 18:07:50 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:44.35 | Deezire | stew: I get 3-400MB/s when using null. |
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| 19:44.58 | stew | Deezire: 3-400? |
| 19:44.59 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: i highly recommend you get the version as close as possible. especially between the 2.0 tree and the 2.1 tree. a bunch had changed. |
| 19:45.10 | stew | Deezire: so very likely that is the limiting factor |
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| 19:45.24 | quentusrex | opensrcguru, alright... |
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| 19:45.38 | quentusrex | but shouldn't it still work??? |
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| 19:46.01 | opensrcguru | one would hope, but thats not always the case |
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| 19:46.09 | Deezire | stew: I have a theory about /dev/urandom and the software raid intefrering with each other, is that a possible idea? |
| 19:46.17 | x3me | hi |
| 19:46.24 | Deezire | (ie. reading random data while writing it to the software-raided disk. |
| 19:46.26 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: also, theres no config in place for IP address allotment. |
| 19:46.28 | x3me | anyone has seen this error: |
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| 19:46.37 | x3me | kernel: apt-get[2977]: segfault at 00002abb90936000 rip 00002abb8f39a27d rsp 00007fff1b84c7a0 error 6 |
| 19:46.39 | x3me | ? |
| 19:46.42 | x3me | no debian 64 |
| 19:46.45 | x3me | on debian 64 |
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| 19:47.03 | quentusrex | opensrcguru, what do you mean? |
| 19:47.04 | stew | Deezire: why are you doing this test with /dev/urandom which doesn't offer bits at a consistent rate? |
| 19:47.23 | Deezire | stew: I'll try bonnie++ again, and post the stats here. :) |
| 19:47.39 | stew | Deezire: why not do the same test you did with /dev/urandom with /dev/zero instead? |
| 19:47.51 | [asoss] | ? |
| 19:47.54 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: is this your first deployment of openvpn? |
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| 19:48.22 | quentusrex | opensrcguru, practically yes. I have deployed a small one before, but this one is going to be very large.... |
| 19:49.10 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: there has to be a config in place to give clients IP addresses on the server. i didnt see that in your paste. |
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| 19:49.23 | quentusrex | opensrcguru, do you have an example? |
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| 19:49.39 | Deezire | stew: xend:~# bonnie++ -d bonnie/ -s 16G -r 8000 -g root > bonnie.txt |
| 19:49.46 | Deezire | Should do the trick! |
| 19:49.58 | quentusrex | opensrcguru, I followed this guide: http://www.ventanazul.com/webzine/articles/openvpn-ubuntu-and-hulu |
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| 19:50.17 | opensrcguru | http://openvpn.net/index.php/documentation/examples.html |
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| 19:50.56 | opensrcguru | opensrcguru: when in doubt, read, read, and then re-read the man page. its very well written and very thourough. |
| 19:51.43 | quentusrex | opensrcguru, there is a line for the ip config. server 10.8.0.0 255.255.255.0 |
| 19:52.01 | quentusrex | right below the user and group settings |
| 19:52.11 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: thats just for the server(s) tunnel interface, not the clients. |
| 19:53.09 | quentusrex | what kind of config line would I need then? |
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| 19:53.37 | stew | quentusrex: you don't need one |
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| 19:54.02 | stew | quentusrex: if you don't specify, it just starts assining lowest available from the network |
| 19:54.05 | x3me | anyone has a segfault on apt-get ? |
| 19:54.06 | stew | assigning* |
| 19:54.12 | stew | x3me: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:54.13 | x3me | kernel: apt-get[2977]: segfault at 00002abb90936000 rip 00002abb8f39a27d rsp 00007fff1b84c7a0 error 6 |
| 19:54.25 | stew | x3me: what versoin of debian are you runing? |
| 19:54.27 | quentusrex | aah, but stew the server's network doesn't have dhcp |
| 19:54.33 | [asoss] | all u computers |
| 19:54.37 | stew | quentusrex: that doesn't matter |
| 19:54.37 | [asoss] | FAKES |
| 19:54.39 | x3me | stew: 4.0r3 amd64 |
| 19:54.40 | [asoss] | FAKES |
| 19:54.43 | [asoss] | IDIOTS |
| 19:54.45 | [asoss] | FAKES |
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| 19:55.02 | quentusrex | :) |
| 19:55.04 | quentusrex | thanks |
| 19:55.20 | stew | x3me: i'd check for hardware errors with memtest86+ |
| 19:55.39 | svref | xine and totem play audio - flash and rhythmbox are mute - any idea why? |
| 19:55.49 | quentusrex | stew, do you have any ideas what might be causing the tls key negotiation failure? |
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| 19:56.06 | quentusrex | it just isn't occuring, atleast that is what the logs say... |
| 19:56.32 | stew | quentusrex: i'd just make sure all the certs are in the right place |
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| 19:56.41 | quentusrex | they seem to be. |
| 19:56.46 | quentusrex | but I'll recheck something |
| 19:57.34 | stew | quentusrex: and they have the right permissions, and are actually signed by the ca |
| 19:58.01 | quentusrex | what permissions should they be? |
| 19:58.08 | quentusrex | and they are all signed by the ca |
| 19:58.15 | x3me | stew: i dont have it installed, and my apt-get does not work =P |
| 19:58.15 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: the log would clearly state crl/ca/cert issues if that were the case |
| 19:58.46 | opensrcguru | atquentusrex: at the very lease 0600 nobody:nogroup |
| 19:59.22 | svref | gawd, why is sound on linux so fragile? It seems like it's been a decade and it's still flaking all the time for no reason. I have two sound cards just to double my probability to get one of them to work. |
| 19:59.52 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: i think you'll be please with the results of upgrading the client. |
| 20:00.21 | quentusrex | -rw------- 1 root root 887 2008-04-02 12:02 client2.key |
| 20:00.27 | quentusrex | is that fine? |
| 20:00.32 | quentusrex | on the client? |
| 20:00.34 | stew | svref: is snd-pcm-lss loaded? |
| 20:00.37 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: yes |
| 20:00.43 | stew | svref: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
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| 20:01.33 | svref | stew: er, no, should I load one or both? |
| 20:01.35 | quentusrex | and -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1253 Apr 2 08:14 ca.crt |
| 20:01.37 | quentusrex | on the server |
| 20:01.47 | opensrcguru | opensrcguru: but when in doubt, feel free to open up the perms a little to test. just remember to secure them when done testing. |
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| 20:02.04 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: fine. what about ca.key |
| 20:02.12 | stew | svref: you should load snd-pcm-oss. likely the apps that aren't working are expecting the older oss interface, and don't know how to talk to alsa |
| 20:02.15 | quentusrex | -rw------- 1 root root 887 Apr 2 08:14 ca.key |
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| 20:02.56 | quentusrex | I'm not sure which side is rejectiong the tls key negotiation.... |
| 20:03.01 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: good. |
| 20:03.20 | stew | ca.key isn't needed for running openvpn, just for signing cerst |
| 20:03.22 | stew | certs* |
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| 20:04.20 | x3me | stew: how can i use memtest86+ ? |
| 20:04.24 | x3me | i never used it |
| 20:04.37 | hjb | Hi. After using "shred" to clean up an unused harddisk, which tool can i use to check it's health? i.e. bad blocks etc.. |
| 20:04.37 | quentusrex | both sides seem to have the VERIFY OK: .... |
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| 20:04.42 | quentusrex | then they both say: Wed Apr 2 16:03:35 2008 us=364528 71.197.244.228:51083 TLS Error: TLS key negotiation failed to occur within 60 seconds (check your network connectivity) |
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| 20:05.07 | xsdg | hjb: "badblocks" for bad blocks :o) |
| 20:05.16 | xsdg | hjb: for SMART stuff, smartctl (in smartmontools package) |
| 20:05.18 | stew | quentusrex: make sure the ip settings on the client side and port settings on both sides are correct |
| 20:05.32 | quentusrex | they are... |
| 20:05.40 | stew | quentusrex: you might verify that you can actually communicate using these ports (without firewalls getting in the way) using nc |
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| 20:06.33 | quentusrex | stew, what commands should I type... |
| 20:07.04 | hjb | xsdg :-) sounds good. Question: Do i need to create an ext2 partition to use badblocks? (since it's part of the e2fsprogs package) |
| 20:07.17 | xsdg | hjb: no |
| 20:07.49 | hjb | xsdg Ok, great. Thanks! |
| 20:07.55 | stew | quentusrex: stop open openvpn on both sides. on the server side, run "nc -l -u -p 1234" (where 1234 is the port), on the client side run "nc -u server.ip.address 1234" and type something, hit enter, it should show up on the server side |
| 20:08.06 | stew | quentusrex: if you are using tcp instead of udp, ditch the -u's |
| 20:09.34 | EyalRo | I have a project in mind and was wondering if anybody heard of something similar. -- I want a "projector server" which listens to video streams and just displays what is streamed to it. |
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| 20:10.03 | justin | EyalRo: vlc |
| 20:10.53 | quentusrex | stew, it worked.... |
| 20:11.02 | quentusrex | I can see on the server what I type on the client... |
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| 20:12.58 | quentusrex | stew? |
| 20:13.07 | pumpkin0 | i'm searching for something like xgamma for brightness. Any ideas/hints ? [in etch] |
| 20:13.31 | stew | quentusrex: what exactly is the error? |
| 20:13.39 | stew | oh |
| 20:13.40 | stew | http://pastebin.com/d77ec3b7f |
| 20:13.45 | stew | # |
| 20:13.46 | stew | Wed Apr 2 15:39:40 2008 us=298025 read UDPv4 [ECONNREFUSED|ECONNREFUSED]: Connection refused (code=111) |
| 20:14.00 | stew | quentusrex: double check the server ip and port |
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| 20:14.07 | benjamindees | an X-enabled projector would be interesting |
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| 20:15.04 | pleed__ | oes anyone know where to put the configuration file for mailing lists for exim? i mean the "list: ..." file. |
| 20:15.05 | svref | still not working, but at least XMMS produces this helpful? output: "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave ... Failed to open pcm device (default): Device or resource busy" |
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| 20:15.26 | Ozux | hi, how can I install Sar on Debian? |
| 20:15.43 | Ozux | in found atsar, but I can't find sar! |
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| 20:16.44 | quentusrex | stew, I've double checked the port. and I've double checked the remote server ip. they're correct... |
| 20:17.12 | quentusrex | remote x.x.x.x x |
| 20:17.20 | quentusrex | for the client |
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| 20:17.25 | quentusrex | and port x for the server. |
| 20:17.30 | stew | quentusrex: start openvpn on the server, and show us the output of "netstat -plun" |
| 20:18.03 | quentusrex | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1194 0.0.0.0:* 14919/openvpn |
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| 20:19.07 | stew | !connection refused |
| 20:19.07 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 20:19.50 | stew | quentusrex: if you are getting connection refused, you are either trying to connect to some ip/port that isn't listening, or there is a firewall. since the test with nc worked, it's not a firewall. |
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| 20:20.32 | quentusrex | I've added the local x.x.x.x to the server conf and restarted |
| 20:20.37 | quentusrex | here's the output of the netstat |
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| 20:21.09 | quentusrex | It's the same as the above output, but with the external ip for the 0.0.0.0:1194 |
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| 20:23.59 | quentusrex | stew, what else can I test? |
| 20:24.14 | quentusrex | it seems to be niether of those two... |
| 20:25.39 | stew | i don't know of any way it could possibly be anything other than one of those two, unless "Connection refused" was an error |
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| 20:27.18 | zaza | hi |
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| 20:27.34 | zaza | can i get some help thruogh this channel? |
| 20:27.56 | quentusrex | I think the connection refused might have been an error when I restarted the server. |
| 20:27.58 | simonrvn | !ask |
| 20:27.59 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 20:28.09 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: what is the physical link type between the client and server? |
| 20:28.25 | quentusrex | server is a remotely hosted server with a hosting company. |
| 20:28.33 | quentusrex | and the client is a computer on my local lan |
| 20:28.36 | zaza | Is it possible to use WPA ecryption with debian? |
| 20:28.45 | quentusrex | I have internet access to the remote server... |
| 20:28.48 | dimes | zaza yes |
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| 20:29.05 | stew | quentusrex: then can you give a new log file where 'connection refused' is not the error? |
| 20:29.07 | quentusrex | I can wget items from the remote server onto the openvpn client computer. |
| 20:29.11 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: whats your ISP link type? t1/cable/dsl |
| 20:29.15 | quentusrex | cable |
| 20:29.18 | stew | doesn't matter |
| 20:29.32 | stew | if he can connect with nc, that is all we really care about |
| 20:29.38 | zaza | dimes: i have been tryinf for long time now and i dont get this. Have you got a real good tutorial? |
| 20:30.01 | opensrcguru | ive see connection issues arise related MTU and the key negoation in the past. |
| 20:30.38 | justin | mtu issues would likely only come into play once the tunnel is up, and a mtu issue will not cause a 'connection refused' error |
| 20:30.55 | stew | zaza: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian and /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian and man wireless and man interfaces |
| 20:31.15 | zaza | stew: ok |
| 20:31.57 | Deezire | stew: http://pastebin.com/m1daa098c |
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| 20:32.34 | stew | Deezire: yeah, far better than 6mb/s |
| 20:32.41 | XLV | anyone can help on a sharewall config? |
| 20:32.41 | quentusrex | I've restarted them with verbosy to 4 I think... and it's waiting after this line: Wed Apr 2 13:32:01 2008 us=585944 TLS: Initial packet |
| 20:32.51 | stew | Deezire: and very little cpu load |
| 20:32.55 | Deezire | Goodie |
| 20:33.12 | quentusrex | Now it has this line: Wed Apr 2 13:32:22 2008 us=924712 VERIFY OK: depth=1, |
| 20:33.15 | quentusrex | for both sides |
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| 20:33.47 | quentusrex | how can I turn up the amount of time to do the tls key negotiation? |
| 20:33.55 | quentusrex | I want to try it at 180 seconds |
| 20:34.04 | svref | The onboard nforce2 sound controller, which has never ever worked, is still partially loading itself. It's the default option in the Volume Control mixer, for example. Is there some way to make sure that it absolutely, never, ever gets discovered, and especially not before the semi-working PCI sound card? |
| 20:34.19 | real0ne | debian have firewall? |
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| 20:34.25 | justin | quentusrex: key negotiation should not take 3 minutes |
| 20:34.36 | stew | svref: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 20:34.53 | stew | real0ne: there is one built into the linux kernel, it is not enabled by default |
| 20:35.05 | quentusrex | justin, I know... but I want to test something |
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| 20:35.16 | real0ne | stew how can i make it disable |
| 20:35.16 | quentusrex | I want to see if my hosting company is giving me shitty connection... |
| 20:35.28 | dimes | real0ne: apt-cache search firewall |
| 20:35.28 | justin | quentusrex: the nc test ruled that out |
| 20:35.29 | stew | real0ne: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:35.44 | real0ne | i want to disable my firewall |
| 20:35.49 | quentusrex | justin, but the nc test took almost 20 seconds to get from the client to the server.... |
| 20:35.51 | stew | real0ne: how did you enable it? |
| 20:35.57 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: you also have an LZO version mismatch |
| 20:36.05 | real0ne | no |
| 20:36.07 | quentusrex | lzo is off now. |
| 20:36.15 | real0ne | but it is enable stew |
| 20:36.22 | stew | real0ne: how did you determine that? |
| 20:36.40 | XLV | its a pc with a single eth0 interface, i need to allow tcp in port 4500 from anyone in. ACCEPT net $FW tcp 4500 4500 itsnt working... |
| 20:36.43 | real0ne | with one aplication |
| 20:36.50 | stew | real0ne: how? |
| 20:36.59 | ferret | looks at /etc/ati/ati-fglrx.sh and promptly throws up |
| 20:37.03 | real0ne | stew he don't worck good |
| 20:37.12 | stew | real0ne: show us the output of "iptables -L -n" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 20:37.24 | justin | quentusrex: 20 seconds? doubtful |
| 20:37.36 | quentusrex | justin, I'll try it again and time it |
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| 20:37.53 | justin | quentusrex: you did press enter right? |
| 20:38.01 | maligor | svref, you can usually disable those in the bios too |
| 20:38.20 | justin | quentusrex: if the connection was that bad your ssh session would be unusable |
| 20:38.48 | svref | stew: thanks |
| 20:38.52 | real0ne | stew http://paste.debian.net/52477 |
| 20:38.52 | quentusrex | justin, it takes 8 seconds for the nc word to get from the client to the server |
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| 20:39.00 | svref | maligor: aha, I'll try that on the reboot. Wish me luck... |
| 20:39.11 | quentusrex | 6 seconds that time |
| 20:39.23 | stew | real0ne: you are not firewalling anything. (everything says "ACCEPT") |
| 20:39.35 | quentusrex | again 6 seconds... |
| 20:39.44 | quentusrex | for a single word to get across nc |
| 20:39.44 | real0ne | stew thanks |
| 20:40.15 | stew | quentusrex: what are the ping times? is nc any faster if you don't use -u ? |
| 20:40.19 | quentusrex | justin, do you know how to set the tls timeout higher? |
| 20:40.56 | justin | the only time I have ever seen a RTT that high was using CDMA on a train :) |
| 20:41.02 | quentusrex | ping average is about 52ms |
| 20:41.18 | quentusrex | just using ping server ip |
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| 20:42.40 | quentusrex | justin :) |
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| 20:43.19 | quentusrex | I have an ssh connection into both boxes... so that proves something.... |
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| 20:43.45 | stew | quentusrex: openvpn has a --tls-timeout command line option |
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| 20:45.31 | XLV | stew, http://paste.lisp.org/display/58500 |
| 20:46.12 | XLV | stew, can you make anything on this one? its a single eth0 interface, need to allow tcp 4500, udp 4504, tcp & udp 4501 and 4052 |
| 20:46.32 | justin | quentusrex: should figure out that connection refused thing too |
| 20:46.54 | justin | quentusrex: are both of your openvpn setups using the same port? They changed the port a while back, and you might have a pre- and post-change version |
| 20:47.53 | quentusrex | both are using the same port |
| 20:47.57 | quentusrex | 1194 |
| 20:48.22 | rachael | my systems seems to crash while running localedef, its doing a "'dpkg --configure -a", it simply hanges the whole system after a while, and when I get the system restart, I cant find any related errors in the logs, anyone have some wise words ? |
| 20:48.40 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: what time is it? |
| 20:48.47 | stew | justin: the connection refused thing is something to be ignored. he said that the server might not have been running at the time |
| 20:48.49 | quentusrex | 1:48 pm |
| 20:48.51 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: on the server and client. |
| 20:48.57 | justin | stew: ahhh |
| 20:49.16 | stew | XLV: you are only accepting 4500 if BOTH the source port and the destination port are 4500, which may or may not be what you want |
| 20:49.25 | stew | XLV: same for 4504 |
| 20:49.27 | justin | that latency is troubling, I wonder if the ISP is shaping UDP too much or something |
| 20:49.38 | quentusrex | it's comcast... |
| 20:49.43 | justin | ahh |
| 20:49.44 | stew | XLV: you have made no allowances for 4501 or 4502 |
| 20:49.52 | justin | quentusrex: nc without the -u doesn't take 6 seconds, does it? |
| 20:50.00 | quentusrex | sec I'll find out |
| 20:50.28 | justin | quentusrex: the odd thing is that it sounds like it is taking 6 seconds to send the packet to the server with udp, and 0.05 seconds to relay the output back to you over the tcp ssh connection |
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| 20:50.40 | XLV | stew, yeah, i included them now, i had dest port 4500 and 4504 before too, but it still didnt work..i rebooted now cause i flushed iptables.. gonna try again now |
| 20:50.42 | quentusrex | 6 seconds |
| 20:50.58 | quentusrex | from my ssh connection to the box, over nc to the server, then ssh connection back to me. |
| 20:51.00 | stew | XLV: what doesn't work? how are you trying to test this? |
| 20:51.25 | XLV | stew, mldonkey |
| 20:51.27 | stew | XLV: are you sure that you want to only accept these packets if the source and destination ports match? |
| 20:51.30 | justin | quentusrex: it doesn't take 6 seconds for keystrokes to show up on the ssh connection, does it? |
| 20:51.44 | quentusrex | 6 seconds round trip even over tcp |
| 20:51.53 | quentusrex | ssh, is fast |
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| 20:52.00 | quentusrex | I can type ifconfig and get the output instantly |
| 20:52.01 | rachael | that sounds like ssh on my old vax :) |
| 20:52.03 | justin | quentusrex: sounds like they are doing something messed up |
| 20:52.15 | opensrcguru | quentusrex: what time is it on the server and client. |
| 20:52.17 | justin | quentusrex: is nc fast if you run it on port 80 or 21 or something? |
| 20:52.18 | quentusrex | how can I test it? |
| 20:52.23 | gwildor | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.25 | quentusrex | I'll check |
| 20:52.27 | XLV | stew, servers prompt for low id, hence pc is firewalling them.. from the router i route all those ports and protocols to this pc |
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| 20:52.57 | XLV | stew, sharewall refresh reloads new rules doesnt it? or restart is needed? |
| 20:53.12 | quentusrex | holy crap that was fast... |
| 20:53.13 | stew | XLV: i don't know anything about sharewall |
| 20:53.21 | quentusrex | yes, someone is fucking with the connection |
| 20:53.24 | XLV | stew, shorewall |
| 20:53.26 | justin | quentusrex: can you try the same thing with iperf? |
| 20:53.27 | quentusrex | port 80 is blazing fast... |
| 20:53.31 | stew | XLV: i don't know anything about that either |
| 20:53.34 | justin | quentusrex: you can give it a -p option like with nc |
| 20:53.35 | quentusrex | iperf??? |
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| 20:54.27 | stew | XLV: when you try to connect, if the firewall is preventing it, you should get a log message about it. can you find that log |
| 20:54.46 | stew | XLV: i'm guessing they are going to tell you that the source port ("SPT") is not in the 4500-4504 range |
| 20:54.49 | justin | quentusrex: iperf -s -p 80 on server, iperf -c ip_of_server -p 80 on client |
| 20:55.02 | stew | XLV: but i dont' know how you are trying to test this |
| 20:55.03 | justin | quentusrex: it'll run for 10 seconds and then output the result |
| 20:55.39 | quentusrex | sec |
| 20:55.45 | justin | might want to add the -d option, which will test full duplex.. |
| 20:56.13 | justin | if iperf with -p 80 is fast and with -p 1194 is slow.. i guess you could just run openvpn on port 80 |
| 20:56.29 | quentusrex | alright |
| 20:56.33 | quentusrex | I found out what was going on |
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| 20:56.55 | quentusrex | it turns out that my network QoS was giving those ports really low priority |
| 20:57.03 | justin | quentusrex: oops |
| 20:57.07 | quentusrex | that's what was causing the slowness |
| 20:57.11 | quentusrex | yeah... oops... |
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| 20:59.18 | quentusrex | so, that is what was causing it... |
| 20:59.19 | lontra | what's included in the standard system task? i just got an eeepc that i'm trying to set up and i don't want to clutter it with unnecessary stuff |
| 20:59.27 | quentusrex | my network couldn't handle the traffic.... |
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| 20:59.44 | dondelelcaro | lontra: anything that is Prority: standard or above |
| 20:59.52 | justin | wants an eee |
| 20:59.52 | paolob | Hi guys! Anyone reported problems syncronizing with gnome-pilot in the last weeks? |
| 20:59.54 | dondelelcaro | lontra: you can always remove anything that was installed later |
| 21:00.00 | lontra | dondelelcaro: sure |
| 21:00.25 | dondelelcaro | (I personally don't install the standard package, and *only* install what I want, but that's up to you) |
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| 21:01.06 | quentusrex | well. now I have a different problem... |
| 21:01.14 | quentusrex | I can't ping the client from the server, or the server from the client |
| 21:01.45 | quentusrex | I have disconnected all computers from the network except my workstation which is only using irc and ssh bandwidth, and the client openvpn computer |
| 21:02.04 | pleed__ | Can someone please help me troubleshooting an exim mailing list router http://rafb.net/p/R9UDmj22.html |
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| 21:02.16 | kenjy | guys I have more than 80pc's and 16 servers, I wan't to use the 10% of the power of the destkop pc's, and the 10% of his memory, to get a lot of processing power, is there a way to do this? the pc's have linux, windows and macOS, is my solution a cluster? or is there a way to implement this? |
| 21:02.39 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: what do you plan on doing with them? |
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| 21:03.13 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: once you answer that question, the way you implement it will become more obvious. |
| 21:03.42 | kenjy | dondelelcaro: I wanna use this cpu power to finish jobs in the less time possible |
| 21:03.51 | ampex3 | is there an easy way with iptables to make any outgoing requests to a certain public ip address instead go to a local ip address? |
| 21:04.14 | quentusrex | justin, the client is transmitting, but isn't recieving anything. same with the server.... both are trying to ping each other... |
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| 21:05.32 | quentusrex | stew, ? |
| 21:06.51 | pleed__ | Where can i get help running a simple mailing list on exim? i ve read the doc and created a router and a mailing list file. that doesnt work. |
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| 21:07.01 | kenjy | dondelelcaro: can I use a cluster for this? Is there a way to add a windows pc to a linux cluster ? |
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| 21:07.51 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: what types of jobs? |
| 21:08.16 | quentusrex | justin, stew? |
| 21:08.24 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: there isn't a universal multiprocessing library, so figuring out first what you're doing with these machines is necessary before you even embark on this. |
| 21:08.25 | kenjy | dondelelcaro: processing big text files (more than 1gb) for example |
| 21:08.36 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: doing what to big files? |
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| 21:09.28 | opensrcguru | likes to spit on spit files. |
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| 21:09.47 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: unless you're doing significant computation on the 1G text files, your network overhead is going to more than overwhelm any speed benifit you get from parallelization. |
| 21:10.09 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: also, running virtual linux instances on commodity windows machines is just going to be an exercise in pain. Serious pain. |
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| 21:10.46 | quentusrex | opensrcguru, could you help me sort out why my openvpn client can't ping over the tun interface? and the server can't ping the client over tun? |
| 21:11.02 | dutchfish | is there any 10Gbit nic support in etch/lenny? |
| 21:11.03 | devsforev | Good afternoon everyone. I have a debian box that is used for my mythtv setup. There is no keyboard connected, so it's hard to drop out to single-user mode. What do you sugguest I do in order to run file system checks on my drives? |
| 21:11.16 | cusco | hi |
| 21:11.20 | kenjy | for example, if I try to update awstats and I have a log file of 2.5gb per day, I need more than 4 hours to update this, the other day we had a problem with a server, our cron stop working and we left 2 weeks without updating the awstats, 2 weeks its 14 log files of 2gb and if each one take 4 hours its a lot of time in a dual core 2.6ghz with 4gb of ram, if I can use the power of the desktop pc's, they could finish the job in minutes. |
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| 21:11.45 | quentusrex | ifconfig on the client give me this: inet addr:10.8.0.6 P-t-P:10.8.0.5 Mask:255.255.255.255 |
| 21:11.48 | kenjy | dondelelcaro: its a cluster a way to use all the power? |
| 21:11.55 | sebyte | hey all. crisis here!!! anyone lost x completely since latest update to lenny? |
| 21:12.02 | quentusrex | and ifconfig on the server gives me this: inet addr:10.8.0.1 P-t-P:10.8.0.2 Mask:255.255.255.255 |
| 21:12.09 | cusco | sebyte: not me |
| 21:12.23 | sebyte | cusco: shit. it's only me. |
| 21:12.28 | cusco | sebyte: what does /var/log/Xorg* says? |
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| 21:12.47 | sebyte | cusco: both gdm and xdm silently fail! |
| 21:12.55 | sebyte | cusco: hold on... |
| 21:12.57 | dutchfish | sebyte, learn to coop with 'testing' did you try reconfiguring it? |
| 21:13.02 | quentusrex | justin, stew, opensrcguru thanks for your help... |
| 21:13.03 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: have you actually analyzed what awstats is spending its time doing? |
| 21:13.29 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: if I were to guess, you've most likely got dns resolution turned on and your dns cache isn't persistent, nor is it large enough. |
| 21:13.46 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: since 2.5G of log is *nothing* |
| 21:14.16 | kenjy | thats not the problem, we need the max level detection of awstats (robots, referer pages, web browsers etc ...) that take a lot of cpu usage |
| 21:14.35 | kenjy | our dns its right :) |
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| 21:15.01 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: well, splitting it out isn't going to help. |
| 21:15.04 | sebyte | cusco: nothing jumps out |
| 21:15.27 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: if it's a serious problem, run a separate log server that does nothing else but process awstats and runs multiple times a day. |
| 21:15.28 | dutchfish | kenjy, for such purposes i use remote logs on dif machine |
| 21:15.34 | kenjy | but the awstats topic was solved two monts ago =) now Im searching a way to use all the power of the desktop pc's |
| 21:15.34 | cusco | sebyte: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0 |
| 21:16.00 | sebyte | dutchfish: do you mean reconfiguring xserver-xorg, yeah, downgraded to stable... no difference |
| 21:16.01 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: again, it (perhaps unfortunatly) depends entirely on what you plan on doing with them. |
| 21:16.13 | sebyte | cusco: hold on |
| 21:16.26 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: there are no universal distributed multi-processor solutions |
| 21:16.33 | xarq | what text sequence is tab bound to in xterm? I need to mimic that behavior in another, broken shell |
| 21:16.55 | dutchfish | sebyte, dmesg shows no errors? |
| 21:17.13 | dondelelcaro | xarq: there isn't one; well, by default ctrl-i, but that should be the same. |
| 21:17.25 | sebyte | cusco: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:17.26 | sebyte | (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 21:17.26 | sebyte | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
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| 21:17.39 | sebyte | cusco: that's it |
| 21:17.50 | sebyte | cusco: interestingly, the |
| 21:17.53 | cusco | sebyte: so what happens when gdm tries to start? |
| 21:18.06 | sebyte | cusco: absolutely nada! |
| 21:18.13 | kenjy | dutchfish, dondelelecaro: I wanna use the power of the desktop pc's for my own purpose, is there something that run a daemon on windows who plug to a serve who manage the resources of the plugged pc's and could use its cpu power to do X or Y job? |
| 21:18.34 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: no, there is not. |
| 21:18.37 | cusco | sebyte: the terminal must shwo soemthing |
| 21:18.43 | sebyte | cusco: both gdm and xdm just wilt |
| 21:18.46 | dutchfish | kenjy, like distcc or a cluster solution? |
| 21:18.49 | cusco | sebyte: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 21:19.00 | kenjy | dondelelcaro, dutchfish: then wats for a performance cluster? |
| 21:19.05 | cusco | sebyte: what driver are you using? |
| 21:19.06 | kenjy | whats* |
| 21:19.11 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: depends on what you're doing on the cluster. |
| 21:19.13 | sebyte | cusco: it says it's restarting but doesn't... hold on |
| 21:19.22 | jaggy- | what are you doing on the cluster? |
| 21:19.36 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: here we use mpich or rmpi |
| 21:19.40 | kenjy | jaggy: I don't have a cluster, Im asking if a cluster its the solution |
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| 21:19.41 | dutchfish | kenjy, wats ? explain |
| 21:19.53 | kenjy | ok guys lets see ... |
| 21:19.57 | jaggy- | kenjy, what's the problem? |
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| 21:20.10 | dondelelcaro | (because we often do distributed statistics on immense datasets) |
| 21:20.52 | jaggy- | details would obviously matter in the project's needs, and how to design the interactions |
| 21:21.03 | cusco | sebyte: grep EE /var/log/gdm/*.log |
| 21:21.08 | dondelelcaro | jaggy-: exactly... so far there haven't been any details... ;-) |
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| 21:21.26 | jaggy- | but apparently dondel has some experience in this, while I've only participated in a distributed thing here and there. |
| 21:21.28 | kenjy | I need a big server, but I don't have a big server, I wanna use the cpu power of my 80 pc's and 16 servers, to take a slice of resources (10% of the cpu power of each desktop pc and 10% of the cpu power of each server) to run process |
| 21:22.22 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: you can't just randomly run processes like that. They have to be designed to. |
| 21:22.25 | jaggy- | kenjy, well, give some specifics on the project itself.. keep whatever secret you really have to keep, but otherwise it really matters |
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| 21:22.46 | xarq | dondelelcaro: ctrl-i inserts tab whitespace on this shell, just as tab does. but I'm trying to tab complete. is there a key sequence I can bind it to to fix tab completion? |
| 21:22.53 | kenjy | jaggy: Im not keeping secrets but I don't have a good english =) Im trying to splain as bether as I can |
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| 21:23.07 | jaggy- | what does the program do? |
| 21:23.12 | dutchfish | kenjy, your 10% per pc will be mostly lost in overhead and that if you have a superb high bandwidth net only |
| 21:23.19 | jaggy- | let's say you were to run it on one computer (slowly?) what does it do? |
| 21:23.23 | jaggy- | does it handle protein folding? |
| 21:23.32 | sebyte | cusco: it was the feckin init script! |
| 21:23.34 | kenjy | dutchfish: its a 100mb ethernet conection |
| 21:23.56 | jaggy- | xarg, maybe tab completion is not enabled in your shell |
| 21:23.58 | dondelelcaro | xarq: uh... if it does that, then the shell may not have tab completion. What is "this shell"? |
| 21:23.59 | jaggy- | are you using bash? |
| 21:24.15 | jaggy- | what else uses tab completion anyway.. I've always used bash basically |
| 21:24.22 | kenjy | jaggy: for example, right now Im updating a awstats and a webalizer, the awstats process drop out of memory and de webalizer its runing from 45 minutes ago, I wanna finish this in 3 minutes, 80pc's and 16 servers could do it together right? |
| 21:24.25 | jaggy- | or plain ol' sh |
| 21:24.28 | sebyte | cusco: just tried /usr/sbin/gdm directly to check $? and it's working again. phew. strange that xdm and gdm both affected |
| 21:24.39 | dutchfish | kenjy, 100mbit/~100/0.8 = less then 1mbit per connection thats not much |
| 21:25.04 | xarq | dondelelcaro: it's emacs shell. M-: (shell "bash). I'm trying to fix remote tab completion |
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| 21:25.07 | jaggy- | kenjy, I see. |
| 21:25.30 | jaggy- | it's less scientific of a project than I was fantacising about, but that's okay :) |
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| 21:25.56 | dutchfish | kenjy, if log processing is your need for cpu power, transfer that to a dedicated server/pc and do it there |
| 21:26.12 | jaggy- | I was hoping for visual processing of wide-spectrum data to detect landmines for removal in vietnam .. or wherever they still have landmines in the ground |
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| 21:26.23 | kenjy | dutchfish its in a dedicated server and its taking 45 minutes |
| 21:26.32 | kenjy | I need it in 3 minutes |
| 21:26.38 | kenjy | jaggy: I readed about a grid project, where you install a small app to your desktop machine and you help to solve math process who are used to search life in other planets etc |
| 21:26.43 | dutchfish | kenjy, no, i meant configure a logging server |
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| 21:26.56 | helo | jaggy-: aptitude install kmines |
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| 21:27.06 | MrMaui76 | dfsg? |
| 21:27.09 | jaggy- | the problem is totalling the logs.. can you split the logfile up and process them separately? can you process the logs live, while the webserver generates them, instead of once per day (or whatever) |
| 21:27.18 | kenjy | yes dutchfish, right now that server its used just for that work, how can I make the others servers to help that one ? |
| 21:27.30 | MrMaui76 | !dfsg |
| 21:27.30 | dpkg | somebody said dfsg was the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 21:28.45 | dutchfish | kenjy, remote mount the part and let some of your pc's do the processing, lets say 10 pc's tops (considering your low bandwidth) |
| 21:29.06 | jaggy- | software has to be designed to work distributed I think. can you split your log up in chunks then bring the results back together? |
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| 21:29.23 | sebyte | thanks guys. gotta work now |
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| 21:29.30 | dutchfish | jaggy-, awstats wont eat that |
| 21:29.51 | kenjy | dutchfish: whats for a cluster then? |
| 21:30.21 | stew | kenjy: processing log files is taking a long time, its probably because of reverse dns |
| 21:30.35 | kenjy | stew: no its not for the reverse dns |
| 21:30.46 | jaggy- | I don't know much about it.. but is there somehow a general solution to distributed processing? I don't see how it can be done |
| 21:30.48 | kenjy | stew: dns lookup its in 0 :) |
| 21:30.49 | dutchfish | kenjy, i think some sort of continous processing the incoming stats would be better like cacti does |
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| 21:31.48 | stew | kenjy: ok, well if you want to run awstats in a cluster, you are going to have to completely rewrite the awstats program to be cluster aware |
| 21:31.49 | dutchfish | kenjy, for ~ how many domains you are processing with awstats? can ypu split up by domains? |
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| 21:32.02 | dutchfish | s/ypu/you |
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| 21:32.06 | kenjy | dutchfish: for just 1 |
| 21:32.17 | jaggy- | you could try to optimize the system's readahead.. but I doubt you'll be able to make 45 down to 3 minutes |
| 21:32.32 | kenjy | just for 1 domain dutchfish :) |
| 21:32.43 | jaggy- | is there a tool that will tell me how fragmented a single file is? |
| 21:32.56 | dutchfish | kenjy, how much mem is in the system (that process the logs)? |
| 21:33.04 | kenjy | 4gb of ram |
| 21:33.05 | stew | kenjy: the stuff you are familair with like "where you install a small app to your desktop machine and you help to solve math process..." require someone writing a custom application to be installed on each computer and a custom server. these are custom to the problem they are trying to solve. nobody yet has done this for the specific problems you are trying to solve |
| 21:33.06 | jaggy- | how many lines is your log? |
| 21:33.22 | dutchfish | kenjy, and your logs or a multitude of 2.5 GB? |
| 21:33.30 | kenjy | yes |
| 21:33.33 | kenjy | per day |
| 21:33.44 | dutchfish | kenjy, how much in total ~ ? |
| 21:33.54 | jaggy- | I think the only and best solution is to try to process the logs live.. using cacti or whatever |
| 21:34.04 | dutchfish | jaggy-, yep |
| 21:34.14 | kenjy | that means processing 77gb of data per month |
| 21:34.35 | kenjy | that require 124 hours :) |
| 21:34.40 | jaggy- | longer if you do it with pen and paper |
| 21:34.55 | jaggy- | kenjy, cool.. look into cacti |
| 21:34.56 | dutchfish | kenjy, if you process live you save on overhead for disk reads/writes but you need much more mem for more speed |
| 21:34.58 | jaggy- | I am :) |
| 21:35.33 | kenjy | dutchfish I don't have that mem but I can take a few mem from the others pc's and servers and a few cpu power to help to the job |
| 21:35.49 | dutchfish | kenjy, on my server wich solely process awstats (and other logs) i have 32G for ~100GB logs a month |
| 21:36.05 | kenjy | good |
| 21:36.07 | jaggy- | and if you do your own custom log processing, you can also do other data-referencing based on what the logs are showing, and then you get the likelihood of that data being in the cache too :) |
| 21:36.32 | grendal_prime | welcomes mrmaui |
| 21:36.35 | kenjy | so I can't build a super computer with a lot of desktop pc's? |
| 21:36.57 | xarq | kenjy: a desktop pc *is* a supercomputer |
| 21:37.08 | dutchfish | kenjy, but it process its logs in 24 hour cycles (night time) ~ 2 - 3GB per day, that takes 8 min on a xeon dual core (low end cpu) |
| 21:37.17 | kenjy | xarq: Imaging 80 spuercomputer building a hiper mega master ultra computer |
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| 21:37.43 | grendal_prime | kenjy: dont let anyone tell you .."you cant"...you kick them square and move on to the "How do i part" |
| 21:37.45 | dante_2core | kenjy, then you can play crysis on medium!!1 |
| 21:38.08 | xarq | kenjy: just go through the steps on one of the linux beowulf cluster howtos |
| 21:38.14 | dutchfish | kenjy, the bottleneck is always the disk speed, i use sas for that with raid 0 |
| 21:38.31 | dutchfish | kenjy, and the big ram helps alot |
| 21:38.49 | dutchfish | kenjy, raw cpu power is not needed |
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| 21:39.22 | dutchfish | kenjy, any xeon dual core will do |
| 21:39.25 | grendal_prime | and while your at it kenjy you duct all the heat from the garage your putting this beast in..into your living room...super computer and heated home. |
| 21:39.43 | dutchfish | kenjy, i hope this helps you a bit to choose |
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| 21:40.28 | kenjy | tnks dutchfish |
| 21:40.36 | kenjy | but then a cluster its for nothing right? |
| 21:40.56 | xarq | intel's q6600 with four cores is cheap enough nowadays.. $260 last time I checked |
| 21:41.04 | dutchfish | kenjy, if awstats on your data is the core of you needs i dont think a cluster is needed |
| 21:42.34 | dutchfish | kenjy, but ram and diskpeed, that another q |
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| 21:42.35 | Techie-Micheal | does the netsplit boogie |
| 21:42.35 | xarq | yeah, not having gigabit ethernet or a fast disk might be your biggest bottleneck |
| 21:42.35 | dutchfish | xarq, exactly |
| 21:42.35 | kenjy | why xarq? |
| 21:42.55 | dutchfish | kenjy, do the math |
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| 21:43.09 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: because pushing data between nodes is *always* the bottleneck in any cluster |
| 21:43.19 | dondelelcaro | the fastest clusters always have at least myrinet between nodes |
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| 21:44.23 | kenjy | dutchfish: If I plug two servers with a 100mb conection, I can't use the cpu power of they like they where one? |
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| 21:45.31 | dutchfish | kenjy, you can sure, but you loose on overhead (net, diskspeed to mention a few) |
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| 21:46.09 | dutchfish | kenjy, so THE question is: Is my demand cpu based? for what you told me, i dont think so |
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| 21:47.14 | dutchfish | kenjy, maybe the solution is the backend of your data storage? think about it |
| 21:48.20 | dutchfish | kenjy, plain ol log files are not ... ehe ... optimized to optimal processing |
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| 21:49.38 | dutchfish | kenjy, and 2nd real time processing might be a much better solution |
| 21:49.46 | Rapp | hi everyone! |
| 21:50.54 | Rapp | i have just upgraded a laptop to current testing, with kernel 2.6.24, and now the installed intel ipw3945 does not work anymore. i see that the module is now called iwl3945, but it does not seem to work. if i modprobe it, nothing happens. module is loaded, no messages in syslog, dmesg and no new network device. what now? |
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| 21:52.24 | stew | Rapp: install firmware-iwlwifi from non-free and use iwl3945 instead |
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| 21:56.34 | lvh | hello |
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| 21:56.51 | Rapp | stew, yes, just found out about that new firmware package |
| 21:57.02 | dutchfish | is there any 10Gbit nic support in etch/lenny? |
| 21:57.08 | lvh | I've just got my mouse's tilt wheel to work and I was wondering if there is any way to increase the speed at which the button event is spammed. |
| 21:57.11 | Rapp | that would be nice, if debian could autodetect that i have that card and fetch the firmware itself... |
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| 21:57.22 | madclicker | hi, is it possible to make an iso out of "bin/cue" file combination? |
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| 21:57.27 | lvh | If I just keep it pressed, it spams the button (as expected) -- I'd like that spamming to happen faster. |
| 21:57.40 | sts | dutchfish: i think so. at least HP supports it.. |
| 21:57.41 | Rapp | dutchfish, have you checked which modules kernel 2.6.24 offers? |
| 21:57.55 | sts | dutchfish: not officially, but actually |
| 21:58.17 | stew | Rapp: the firmware isn't free software, however, so debian is not likely to include sometihng like that |
| 21:58.23 | dutchfish | Rapp, i delved into 2.6.24-4 and 2.6.25-rc8 but i am bit confused, googling did not solve that |
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| 21:59.07 | dutchfish | sts, have you any links or hints? |
| 21:59.11 | stew | madclicker: bchunk |
| 21:59.25 | Rapp | stew, true. but would be nice to give the user a hint, when installing the new kernel or removing the old modules |
| 21:59.33 | sts | dutchfish: no. it just works... |
| 21:59.51 | dutchfish | sts, oh .. tell me more wich card you used? |
| 22:00.22 | madclicker | stew, thank you |
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| 22:00.50 | dante_1core | does anyone have an idea how I could make my fluxbox display my current acpi battery state in its toolbar? |
| 22:01.00 | sts | dl320g4,5, dl360g4,5,5p and dl380g4,5 as well |
| 22:01.10 | sts | thats what i frequently use.. |
| 22:01.11 | dante_1core | I don't want a slit and conky&stuff are also not being useful if I have apps in FS |
| 22:01.21 | Rapp | stew, wireless works again. thank you very much! |
| 22:01.22 | dutchfish | sts, i am actually messing around with intels VMDq |
| 22:01.31 | Rapp | is going to bed now. good night! |
| 22:02.12 | dutchfish | sts, but not more pressed out then ~4GB with 1 mtr cables |
| 22:02.23 | dante_1core | lvh: hmn, I know how to do that with keyboard buttons |
| 22:02.47 | dutchfish | sts, thank you very much! |
| 22:02.51 | sts | as far as i can see we use the BCM5714 |
| 22:03.11 | dutchfish | sts, you get near wirespeed? |
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| 22:04.16 | dutchfish | sts, ok, i can thats those myself too, thank you again! |
| 22:05.33 | sts | well, it happend that i had to setup a high perf http server ... and we got up to about 700mbit |
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| 22:05.33 | dutchfish | sts, thats real nice for webserving! |
| 22:05.34 | sts | yeah. it was a streaming project. |
| 22:05.35 | sts | brb |
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| 22:09.58 | jussi_ | curses, I get I/O errors all the time when I try to write to a sd -card. I can't even copy less than half a gig to it before copying fails due to i/o error |
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| 22:10.30 | Acxty | hi guys I buy a pci to serial card, but it is not detecting it. is a ck-0022A/B may someone help me with that |
| 22:10.30 | \amethyst | jussi_: it's not getting mounted with the 'sync' option, is it? |
| 22:10.51 | rahsputin | is there a developers channel for debian |
| 22:10.54 | jussi_ | \amethyst: no, just mount /dev/sdb1 /media/disk-1 |
| 22:10.58 | xarq | jussi_: it could be a SD+ problem, if your card says SD+ but your cardreader isn't SD+ |
| 22:11.13 | Acxty | I am getting this on lspci 06:00.0 Communication controller: NetMos Technology PCI 9835 Multi-I/O Controller (rev 01) |
| 22:11.19 | jussi_ | xarq: it's a cheapo reader, but its sdhc 150x (and I have two of them) |
| 22:13.31 | dondelelcaro | rahsputin: yes, but what's your question? |
| 22:13.37 | stew | rahsputin: there are many. what specificly are youlooking to discuss? |
| 22:14.08 | jussi_ | I've tried turning automount off in gnome, mkdosfs and mkfs.vfat and dd it empty, yet the problem spans multiple cards and persists. I'm trying compiling latest kernel now, although I already had 2.6.24 |
| 22:14.27 | jussi_ | perhaps I should try downgrading as well |
| 22:14.34 | dutchfish | jussi_, did you try fat16? |
| 22:14.51 | jussi_ | dutchfish: its 8gig so fat16 doesn't work. but I didn't |
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| 22:15.19 | jussi_ | I'll try that on the smaller card |
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| 22:17.05 | rahsputin | lol, well i made "sarge" install, on a laptop that doesnt have USB or CD only floppy. it doesnt reconize pci something on USB ... and installs usb??? now i have no possiblity to lspci there is nowhere /pci |
| 22:17.08 | dutchfish | jussi_, also, 2.6.24-3 and lower have some fs related problems wich are solved in 2.6.24-4 |
| 22:17.14 | jussi_ | oh wait, can't. the card broke couple hours ago and the copyprot switch fell off. I tried sticky tape, but it still shows up as writeprot |
| 22:17.32 | jussi_ | dutchfish: cool, I'll grab that then |
| 22:17.40 | dutchfish | jussi_, ... |
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| 22:19.57 | dutchfish | sts, found something on IEEE P802.3aq but its not much |
| 22:20.09 | rahsputin | i installed a 2.6 kernel and it freezes at boot |
| 22:20.36 | rahsputin | the last line is boot then freeze |
| 22:20.50 | rahsputin | happend to me when i installed etch too |
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| 22:22.30 | jussi_ | looks like I'm compiling 2.6.26-6~snapshot |
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| 22:25.25 | labpc | but ya cant moan when using kernels that new, aye |
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| 22:26.17 | jussi_ | yeah, I've been staying at the latest builds for awhile now, but I'm starting to miss stability. |
| 22:26.27 | ampex2 | I need to find a router that does 1:1 NAT and allows NATed services to be accessed by public IP from behind the router |
| 22:26.28 | ampex2 | any ideas? |
| 22:26.53 | jussi_ | well, latest deb packed builds from kernel-archive |
| 22:27.03 | dante_1core | is using a laptop daemon to spin down the harddrive when on the go a good idea? |
| 22:27.17 | dante_1core | or will turning on and off the harddisc shorten it's life significantly? |
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| 22:29.37 | jaakko | ampex2: what is "1:1 NAT"? |
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| 22:30.31 | dutchfish | dante_1core, temperature changes shortens disk mtbf, doesnt mather if on or of that much |
| 22:30.48 | simonrvn | !tell UserReg_CL -about ask |
| 22:30.59 | UserReg_CL | helpme... compiling iproute2 2.2.6.24-rc7 have error "arpd.c:19:20: error: db_185.h: No such file or directory" ... |
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| 22:31.27 | UserReg_CL | and not have file db_185.h in system |
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| 22:31.58 | jaakko | ampex2: ok, I googled already, somethin like DMZ. |
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| 22:32.10 | dutchfish | !build-essential |
| 22:32.10 | dpkg | i heard build-essential is If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package. This package contains an informational list of packages which are considered essential for building Debian packages. or apt-get install build-essential; to be able to compile shit |
| 22:32.26 | dimes | ampex: 1:1 NAT is NATing Unique IPs instead of one IP to many |
| 22:32.47 | engla | !lenny |
| 22:32.47 | dpkg | from memory, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). |
| 22:32.51 | streuner | !fa |
| 22:33.03 | streuner | !factinfo build-essential |
| 22:33.03 | dpkg | build-essential -- last modified at Tue Jul 4 20:40:41 2006 by sid!n=username@tor/regular/unstable; it has been requested 68 times, last by dutchfish, 53s ago. |
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| 22:34.00 | themill | !build-essential =~ s/; to be able to compile shit// |
| 22:34.00 | dpkg | themill: OK |
| 22:34.31 | xarq | does apt-get wrap dpkg? |
| 22:34.58 | themill | xarq: yes |
| 22:35.12 | jaakko | how can I find out actual CPU Frequency? I installed conky, shows 0. |
| 22:35.13 | streuner | !build-essential =~ s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 22:35.13 | dpkg | streuner: OK |
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| 22:35.19 | MolePrince | Howdy, I have an old XP box that I want to backup all the data from to a Debian RAID box. What's the most efficient way to go about that please? |
| 22:36.07 | dutchfish | MolePrince, a rsync based method, there are scripts that to that actually |
| 22:36.15 | dutchfish | s/to/do |
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| 22:36.49 | jaakko | MolePrince: Take HD out, put in Debian box, mount and copy. :) |
| 22:37.32 | dutchfish | jaakko, oh? a hd from a raid set? 0.0 |
| 22:37.34 | MolePrince | jaakko: Hee! I have a Samba share set up so I can access the RAID from windows, but was wondeirng if there was a better way. Rsync scripts sounds good though if I knew where to find those. |
| 22:37.44 | jaakko | hd from xp |
| 22:38.07 | jaakko | dutchfish: the question was how to xp -> raid |
| 22:38.32 | dante_1core | dutchfish: so you'd say i shall rather let it stay on? |
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| 22:39.03 | dutchfish | MolePrince, rdiff-backup? |
| 22:39.23 | dutchfish | MolePrince, that is if you want to automate the process |
| 22:39.28 | dante_1core | I just started to worry when programming on my way to school in the bus, having a pretty bumpy ride - i'd feel better if it'd be turned off, but if it'd gonna die more quickly then... |
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| 22:40.01 | MolePrince | dutchfish: Well I only need to do it once to dump all the data off so I can repurpose it for my roomie. |
| 22:40.18 | dutchfish | MolePrince, my a dis-image? |
| 22:40.45 | dutchfish | MolePrince, oh then just copy it over the smb share |
| 22:40.57 | MolePrince | Ah, okay ^_^ Thanks! |
| 22:41.13 | jaakko | MolePrince: Boot XP from Live CD, so you don't need to copy running windows? |
| 22:42.18 | dante_1core | dutchfish: I'd rather keep my hd running then, right? My aim would be to make it turn off and not come back on for a longer time when I'm programming |
| 22:43.26 | MolePrince | jaakko: That's probablty a better idea. I just ran into issues with it canceling the copies on hiberfile.sys and the like. |
| 22:43.35 | dutchfish | dante_1core, it depends on your needs, on a laptop power consumption could be a concern, othersie let it running to sustain livespan |
| 22:43.52 | MolePrince | dutchfish: Know of a good samba-enabled LiveCD? |
| 22:44.01 | dante_1core | dutchfish: it's on a laptop, but battery live is not a real problem, rather the bumpy ride on the bus |
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| 22:44.11 | dutchfish | MolePrince, debian live? |
| 22:44.43 | MolePrince | dante_1core: Keep all your working data saved to a solid state drive, then rsync it to your moving-parts drive when it's not so bumpy ;) |
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| 22:44.58 | dutchfish | dante_1core, disk dont like to be stirred when running ;) |
| 22:45.05 | dante_1core | MolePrince: :D but then i'd have to move my rood to a ssd |
| 22:45.11 | themill | prefers shaken not stirred |
| 22:45.23 | dante_1core | and afaik there are no IDE-ssds with normal form factor for laptop-use available? |
| 22:45.28 | dutchfish | and a olive on top |
| 22:45.38 | dante_1core | i'd exchange the HD with a SSD anytime, if there were any around to just put in |
| 22:46.05 | dutchfish | dante_1core, oh there are |
| 22:46.12 | dante_1core | but very expensive? |
| 22:46.17 | dante_1core | I don't need more than 32gb |
| 22:46.26 | dutchfish | dante_1core, but that will criple your purse atm ;) |
| 22:46.27 | dante_1core | even 16gb'd be fine :P |
| 22:46.32 | dante_1core | yea... |
| 22:46.50 | MolePrince | dante_1core: I have a USB hub with a RAID 10 of thumb drives for just that purpose :P |
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| 22:47.02 | mitya | hi all |
| 22:47.04 | dutchfish | dante_1core, just 0,2 iddle |
| 22:47.13 | dutchfish | dante_1core, watts i mean ;) |
| 22:47.29 | dante_1core | http://en.toppreise.ch/prod_115730.html |
| 22:47.45 | dante_1core | woa |
| 22:47.46 | dante_1core | :D |
| 22:48.10 | mitya | I have a special case, I need to lock down the CDROM's tray... It does not matter if there is CD or not, it should not be possible to open it physically (by the button) |
| 22:48.16 | mitya | how is this possible ? |
| 22:48.40 | dante_1core | mitya: it is |
| 22:48.46 | dutchfish | mitya, with cdrom mount will do |
| 22:48.51 | dante_1core | if a cd is in there, just mount it, and noone can take it out :D |
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| 22:49.00 | dante_1core | without, it's harder. |
| 22:49.07 | mitya | I can't mount it |
| 22:49.14 | mitya | lets assube that there is no cd |
| 22:49.32 | mitya | but I want deny that anybody can put a cd into it |
| 22:49.58 | dante_1core | dutchfish: one of those 16gb ssds might not even be a bad idea |
| 22:50.07 | dante_1core | but 16gb is... not that much -.- 32'd be fine |
| 22:50.46 | mitya | I have found this: |
| 22:50.46 | mitya | There _is_ a var that |
| 22:50.46 | mitya | controls permanent locking, however it isn't exported through proc. |
| 22:50.46 | mitya | You'll have to use the CDROM_LOCKDOOR ioctl. |
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| 22:51.01 | mitya | oops ;) |
| 22:51.04 | mitya | sprry |
| 22:51.08 | mitya | sorry |
| 22:51.09 | dutchfish | dante_1core, if you can afford it, they are fast too |
| 22:51.11 | themill | !tell mitya about paste |
| 22:51.14 | dante_1core | http://en.toppreise.ch/prod_115728.html |
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| 22:51.19 | dante_1core | dutchfish: , http://en.toppreise.ch/prod_115728.html |
| 22:51.23 | dante_1core | i'll get that one |
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| 22:52.02 | nkuttler | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.02 | dante_1core | that'll fit into a notebook, right? |
| 22:52.02 | nkuttler | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.02 | nkuttler | < robertle> any ideas? |
| 22:52.03 | nkuttler | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:52.09 | dante_1core | into mine, i mean :D |
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| 22:52.23 | dutchfish | dante_1core, but watch out for the mtbf, the livespan is not that great |
| 22:52.41 | dante_1core | I know, but at least I don't have to worry about shaking my notebook. |
| 22:52.48 | ponale2 | if i find that my `last` contains no data, is this suspicious? My box is running 2.6.21.3lm32 #17 |
| 22:53.19 | dutchfish | dante_1core, you can even throw them around the disk can have many G's ;) |
| 22:54.33 | dante_1core | dutchfish: lol - but will battery live improve, too? |
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| 22:54.44 | dutchfish | dante_1core, yes, slightly |
| 22:54.51 | dante_1core | hmn |
| 22:54.55 | dante_1core | i'll have a look at it. |
| 22:54.58 | dante_1core | thanks anyway |
| 22:55.01 | dante_1core | gotta go now, study |
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| 22:55.12 | dante_1core | bye guys - good luck solving problems. |
| 22:55.23 | themill | ponale2: last uses data in wtmp that gets rotated on the 1st of each month. (check the "wtmp begins <date>" line at the end of the output of last) |
| 22:55.53 | Jennifer_ | Hello love, I am excited, I am very pretty and if you want to see me naked by the webcam, |
| 22:55.54 | Jennifer_ | adds my msn: angie_sexy_cam@hotmail.com (only if you send text messages or calls) |
| 22:55.56 | Jennifer_ | Hello love, I am excited, I am very pretty and if you want to see me naked by the webcam, |
| 22:55.56 | Jennifer_ | adds my msn: angie_sexy_cam@hotmail.com (only if you send text messages or calls) |
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| 22:56.57 | ponale2 | themill: exactly. i was just remembering my days with solaris where there was no reset. Thankx |
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| 22:57.04 | streuner_ | sweet :-) |
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| 22:57.56 | themill | ponale2: :) |
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| 23:02.19 | johmathe | Hi guy's |
| 23:02.33 | johmathe | I've a package ready for submission |
| 23:02.46 | johmathe | I never did that before :) |
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| 23:03.11 | johmathe | It's a shot detection software based on ffmpeg |
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| 23:04.01 | ringo999 | hi. i installed wordpress using aptitude (subinstalls apache2 etc.). How to access the wordpress homepage on the local server though? |
| 23:04.01 | johmathe | I just used the maintener guide to create the .deb package |
| 23:04.05 | johmathe | it worked fine |
| 23:04.38 | johmathe | I was pretty impressed by the power of dh_make :) |
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| 23:05.06 | themill | !tell johmathe about mentors |
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| 23:05.31 | johmathe | themill: I need to find mentors ? |
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| 23:05.52 | johmathe | maybe i should fine someone interested in video processing |
| 23:06.03 | stew | ringo999: check /usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.Debian |
| 23:06.15 | ringo999 | stew: thanx |
| 23:06.16 | johmathe | themill: nice bot :) |
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| 23:06.36 | zention | anyone got a jetway itx with daughterboard? |
| 23:06.40 | peleg | Hi. If I don't touch my laptop for a long time, it becomes "suspended" automatically. it seems like it cancels my cronjobs. is there anyway to: a. make cronjobs work when the laptop is suspended, or b. force the laptop to stay "awake" ? |
| 23:07.09 | Phil4 | peleg, modify the power settings |
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| 23:07.30 | themill | johmathe: the debian mentors program will help you find someone willing to work with you to improve your packages and get them up to the standard to include in debian (I'm presuming that's what you are eventually aiming for). They are also the best people to ask about packaging questions (if/when you have them). |
| 23:07.37 | johmathe | peleg: maybe anacron ? |
| 23:08.13 | johmathe | anacron is nice for laptops |
| 23:08.19 | peleg | johmathe: what is it? |
| 23:08.23 | streuner_ | or just throw everything with ACPI or APM out of your system :-) |
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| 23:08.35 | peleg | Phil4: in the Gnome administration? |
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| 23:08.51 | johmathe | peleg: apt-cache show anacron will tell you better than I can :) |
| 23:08.59 | Phil4 | don't remember peleg and I don't have my Debian GUI box with me atm |
| 23:09.18 | peleg | Phil4: thanks |
| 23:09.44 | peleg | johmathe: oh, not good for me... I need it in order to set an alarm. |
| 23:10.11 | johmathe | peleg: arg ok |
| 23:10.17 | rahsputin | how can i get lspci to work in "sarge" ( Toshiba Satellite / Pentium 700 / 99MHz / 40MB RAM ) |
| 23:10.22 | peleg | johmathe: any other idea, then? :-) |
| 23:10.39 | sChaaa | crashed my apt base on my eeepc (my fault) how can I recover ? |
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| 23:10.49 | streuner_ | hm |
| 23:11.08 | sChaaa | (eeepc on a debian) |
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| 23:13.00 | peleg | my power settings: on AC Power, put computer to sleep when inactive for: never. put display to sleep when inactive for: 25 minutes. well: according to this, I don't see why the cron won't work; it's only the display that is set to sleep, am I wrong? still, no alarm in the morning! ;-) |
| 23:13.06 | peleg | (on GNOME) |
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| 23:15.04 | rahsputin | how can i get lspci to work in "sarge" ( Toshiba Satellite / Pentium 700 / 99MHz / 40MB RAM ) , pci :failed |
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| 23:15.58 | hoodlum_1 | have you got pcitools package installed? |
| 23:17.22 | Nai | why does it say "you must wait longer to change your passwd" ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 23:17.22 | Nai | what does it think i am a 105 yr old |
| 23:17.22 | peleg | oh, now it seems that my cron is not working even NOW ... :-( - well, this is what I have in crontab -e: "15 00 3 4 1-7 /home/peleg/alarm". I think that the order is " m h dom mon dow command". Am I wrong? |
| 23:17.22 | rahsputin | hoodlum: no such file |
| 23:17.22 | hoodlum | rahsputin: but have you got that package installed? |
| 23:17.29 | rahsputin | doesnt even exist in aptitude |
| 23:17.30 | stew | rahsputin: you should try a 2.6 kernel. note that support for sarge is being dropped this month. you should upgrade to etch. (and upgrading to a 2.6 kernel is part of the procedure for upgrading to etch) |
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| 23:17.46 | rahsputin | stew: i did, an it freezes at boot |
| 23:17.54 | peleg | how can I debug a cronjob? |
| 23:17.56 | stew | rahsputin: which kernel package did you install? |
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| 23:18.11 | peleg | at least: see if it tried to run or not, etc.. |
| 23:18.55 | stew | peleg: change it to "touch /tmp/kilroy ; /home/peleg/alarm" and see if the /tmp/kilroy file gets created |
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| 23:19.21 | peleg | stew: thanks, I'll try that! |
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| 23:19.31 | stew | peleg: or add "echo foo ; /home/peleg/alarm" and add a MAILTO directive to the crontab so that you will get email at least containing 'foo' |
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| 23:21.24 | peleg | ok, I have added 'touch' to the cronjob, and the file was created. I guess the problem is with "alarm", then.. thanks! |
| 23:21.31 | rahsputin | stew 2.6.8-4-386 |
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| 23:22.05 | stew | rahsputin: is there an error before it freezes? |
| 23:22.36 | rahsputin | yes, its boots shows about 5 lines and the last line is boot |
| 23:22.49 | rahsputin | no |
| 23:22.53 | rahsputin | error message |
| 23:23.05 | peleg | I got the problem: I need something to tell cron that alarm is a bash file. what is the #bash something prefix that should be in the first line? |
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| 23:23.18 | stew | peleg: you could also try 2.6.18 from backports: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 23:23.28 | peleg | stew: |
| 23:23.28 | stew | peleg: #!/bin/bash |
| 23:23.30 | peleg | thanks.. |
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| 23:23.56 | stew | peleg: also note that there will be practically no environment variables set when the job is run |
| 23:24.19 | peleg | stew: ok |
| 23:24.21 | rahsputin | stew: was that for me 2.6.18 ? |
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| 23:24.30 | rahsputin | na |
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| 23:26.30 | peleg | what permissions does cron have? I mean: is it "me" that operates cron, root, or some other user? |
| 23:26.35 | shib[BNC] | you |
| 23:26.43 | peleg | ok |
| 23:26.44 | peleg | thanks |
| 23:26.47 | shib | np |
| 23:27.49 | lontra | is there a way to set it up in gnome that when i right click on the desktop i see the menu? |
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| 23:30.06 | stew | rahsputin: oh, yeah. that was for you. you could try 2.6.18 from backports |
| 23:30.30 | stew | peleg: where are you putting the cronjob? are you editing it with "crontab -e" if so, then yes, you |
| 23:31.51 | peleg | ok, I tried both "touch /home/peleg/temp/blah3; bash /home/peleg/alarm" and "touch /home/peleg/temp/blah3; /home/peleg/alarm", the file is created each time, but the alarm file is not running. all I have in that file is "#!/bin/bash" and "mplayer -gui -really-quiet -shuffle -playlist /home/peleg/.alarm-playlist" |
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| 23:31.59 | peleg | stew: yes, it's there. thanks. |
| 23:32.20 | peleg | running "mplayer -gui -really-quiet -shuffle -playlist /home/peleg/.alarm-playlist" from bash works. |
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| 23:32.55 | rahsputin | stew: if i install a kernel can i install a different on top since the previous one wasnt the right one... without rebooting ? |
| 23:32.56 | themill | peleg: -gui sounds wrong for a cron job |
| 23:32.58 | stew | peleg: you wouldn't be able to run a gui without telling it a DISPLAY |
| 23:33.13 | peleg | hmm... |
| 23:33.24 | peleg | so how can I tell it "a display"? |
| 23:33.33 | peleg | I need the gui. |
| 23:33.54 | themill | peleg: I presume you are logged in at the time... so try putting export DISPLAY=:0.0 the line before mplayer is started |
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| 23:34.12 | salvin | can i try a streaming video without the gnash-plugin? |
| 23:34.33 | salvin | just with the gnash command? |
| 23:34.43 | peleg | themill: you mean, something like "DISPLAY=:0.0 ; mplayer -gui -really-quiet -shuffle -playlist /home/peleg/.alarm-playlist" ? |
| 23:34.44 | pinto3 | hello, anybody know the syntax for the getconf command by any chance? i tried -v POSIX.1 1003.1 200112 SUSv3 and all that but it says unknown specification |
| 23:34.47 | stew | rahsputin: i didn't understand your question. if you install a kernel, you can't use it without rebooting. you can have as many kernels as you have room for |
| 23:34.57 | themill | peleg: yeah. that should work |
| 23:35.01 | stew | peleg: get rid of the ; |
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| 23:35.25 | peleg | stew: oh, I thought it should be two separate commands. |
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| 23:35.34 | themill | peleg: no... hang on... either put it all on one line and get rid of the ";" or put it on two lines and add "export" before DISPLAY |
| 23:35.49 | peleg | themill: cool. |
| 23:36.15 | rahsputin | stew: well, i just installed a kernel, havent rebooted yet, but now i would like to install the one you suggeted, is that possible |
| 23:36.22 | jim | thought he walked out of this movie scene yesterday :) |
| 23:36.26 | stew | rahsputin: yes |
| 23:36.28 | jim | it's still going! |
| 23:38.06 | peleg | well, now I get a mplayer crash. again, it doesn't happen if I run it from bash. |
| 23:38.37 | themill | that's an improvement ;) |
| 23:39.16 | peleg | themill: indeed |
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| 23:40.19 | peleg | should I give up gui? without it it works well, it seems. |
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| 23:40.42 | peleg | without the gui, in order to stop the music, I have to kill the process; hence I tried to avoid it. |
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| 23:40.59 | themill | peleg: any output from the crash? you could add "2>&1" to get any error messages emailed to you (assuming you set that up as stew suggested earlier) |
| 23:41.39 | stew | peleg: what is the big picture of what you are actually trying to acomplish. perhaps there is a better way |
| 23:42.07 | peleg | stew: running mplayer every morning to wake me up. |
| 23:42.37 | themill | peleg: amarok has scripts designed especially for that ;) |
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| 23:42.49 | peleg | themill: what is amarok? |
| 23:43.00 | themill | !amarok |
| 23:43.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amarok is THE audio player for KDE, or #amarok @ irc.freenode.net |
| 23:43.16 | stew | peleg: sounds like you really only need sound, not video or a gui, why not something simple like aplay or mpg123 |
| 23:43.47 | peleg | stew: still, I will need to kill to processes in order to stop the music, won't I? |
| 23:43.53 | rahsputin | or mplayer-nogui |
| 23:44.44 | peleg | rahsputin: and again, don't you think killing processes every morning is not good? |
| 23:44.45 | jim | to play mp3s? |
| 23:44.55 | peleg | jim: yes, but from a playing list |
| 23:45.00 | peleg | not only mp3, also ogg |
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| 23:46.24 | rahsputin | alsaplayer plays ogg |
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| 23:47.10 | peleg | rahsputin: but the main question remains: what do you think about killing processes, in general? is there a way to stop something cron began, without killing processeS? |
| 23:47.24 | themill | peleg: create a shortcut on your desktop that runs "killall mplayer"... crude but effective |
| 23:47.36 | rahsputin | peleg: ah ok |
| 23:47.53 | peleg | themill: but don't you think that killing processes causes (in the long-run) damage? |
| 23:47.55 | rahsputin | peleg: like a timer |
| 23:48.07 | peleg | rahsputin: no, manually. |
| 23:48.22 | peleg | but stopping it in a "gentle" way, if there is such |
| 23:48.30 | peleg | like mplayer -stop or something? |
| 23:48.39 | themill | peleg: not for that sort of thing. It's only playing an audio file, there's no data to lose. |
| 23:48.48 | peleg | mplayer -closeAll / mplayer -exit ? |
| 23:49.25 | peleg | themill: ok, if there is no damage, or "trush files" that are created and fill my HD, so why should I care, really... :-) |
| 23:49.31 | themill | peleg: "dcop amarok player play" to start, "dcop amarok player stop" to finish. |
| 23:49.47 | peleg | themill: ok, thanks |
| 23:50.06 | peleg | good night buddies: I hope it'll work, so I'll be here in the morning again! ;-) |
| 23:50.12 | peleg | thanks you all |
| 23:50.29 | themill | peleg: sleep well... don't sleep through your alarm |
| 23:51.35 | rahsputin | stew: peleg night |
| 23:51.41 | rahsputin | lol |
| 23:51.47 | rahsputin | peleg: good night |
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| 23:52.25 | ubd | hey what is the pdt atm? |
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| 23:54.44 | rahsputin | stew: i found linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 in backports |
| 23:55.24 | jim | do you need a kernel that old? |
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| 23:55.35 | rahsputin | yup |
| 23:55.48 | jim | and you need the one before -5? |
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| 23:56.02 | rahsputin | got a ( Toshiba Satellite / Pentium 700 / 99MHz / 40MB RAM ) |
| 23:56.11 | icesword | hehhe,:) |
| 23:56.15 | jim | ahh |
| 23:56.58 | rahsputin | i hope it works |
| 23:57.02 | rahsputin | this time |
| 23:57.17 | jim | what's it doing exactly |
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| 23:57.46 | jim | err what issue was identified? |
| 23:58.02 | rahsputin | i cannot lspci |
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| 23:58.26 | rahsputin | and that means i cannot get my graphic card working for xserver |
| 23:58.44 | themill | jim: rahsputin is currently running sarge on a 2.4 kernel. Part of the long term goal here is to get him running a 2.6 kernel and etch. |
| 23:58.44 | jim | because you can't find what or where it is? |
| 23:58.54 | themill | (aiui) |
| 23:59.01 | rahsputin | ? |
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| 23:59.31 | jim | so, maybe if this works he'll be running sarge with the 2.6.18? |
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