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| 00:02.27 | bolt | is there an ncurses- or something-based application that does remotely the same as network-manager without requiring X? |
| 00:03.16 | mosno | bolt: yes, but i forget what its called. |
| 00:03.35 | bolt | :/ |
| 00:03.37 | mosno | bolt: i came across it while reading documentation for ifupdown, if i recall correctly |
| 00:03.50 | bolt | hm.. |
| 00:05.24 | bolt | gah. i hate it when gui software doesn't have a reasonable console back-end |
| 00:06.00 | bolt | connecting to wpa-secured networks with the regular console tools is a bitch when you use several networks |
| 00:06.10 | mosno | bolt: the one i'm thinking of wasn't based on the NetworkManger stack |
| 00:06.48 | jetscreamer | wpasupplicant ? |
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| 00:07.34 | mosno | maybe ifplugd |
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| 00:08.11 | mosno | bolt: ^ |
| 00:08.33 | bolt | mosno: checking it out :) |
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| 00:09.03 | WormDrink | hello |
| 00:09.12 | bolt | !greet WormDrink |
| 00:09.12 | dpkg | Nihao, WormDrink |
| 00:09.20 | bolt | nihao? |
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| 00:09.34 | WormDrink | can i download all dvds |
| 00:09.35 | jetscreamer | wtf is this 'unknown filesystem type ntfs-3g' |
| 00:09.38 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 00:09.39 | WormDrink | and network install image |
| 00:09.51 | WormDrink | and install from the dvds over network ? |
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| 00:10.18 | WormDrink | or is there better way ? |
| 00:10.56 | bolt | WormDrink: just get a regular netinstall cd and get the packages from the network |
| 00:11.06 | bolt | or, rather, through it |
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| 00:11.13 | WormDrink | yes |
| 00:11.21 | WormDrink | thats what i want to do |
| 00:11.26 | bolt | then do that :) |
| 00:11.31 | WormDrink | but i dont want to get it from the internet through the network |
| 00:11.32 | WormDrink | ... |
| 00:11.45 | WormDrink | i want to get it from another pc through the network |
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| 00:11.55 | bolt | then you either need a local apt-get mirror or all the dvd's |
| 00:12.03 | WormDrink | ok |
| 00:12.07 | WormDrink | so, say i get all dvds |
| 00:12.11 | WormDrink | its fine ? |
| 00:12.14 | bolt | !apt-mirror |
| 00:12.14 | dpkg | well, apt-mirror is a tool for making a local mirror for any apt source, look at http://apt-mirror.sf.net |
| 00:12.46 | tiago | what's the debian package for gtk+2 |
| 00:12.48 | tiago | ? |
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| 00:13.20 | WormDrink | ehrm |
| 00:13.30 | WormDrink | im planning to network install from a windows pc |
| 00:13.43 | bolt | WormDrink: why? |
| 00:13.57 | WormDrink | ugh |
| 00:14.05 | WormDrink | bolt, any better options ? |
| 00:14.21 | WormDrink | should i install from a non existant linux pc ? |
| 00:14.38 | bolt | i would suggest the regular apt repositories... |
| 00:14.57 | WormDrink | bolt, internet is expensive here |
| 00:15.04 | WormDrink | you pay by the megabyte |
| 00:15.06 | WormDrink | literaly |
| 00:15.10 | bolt | WormDrink: ... wtf? |
| 00:15.12 | WormDrink | and shitloads for a megabyte |
| 00:15.13 | WormDrink | so |
| 00:15.20 | WormDrink | im not gonna waste my money |
| 00:15.34 | WormDrink | and download from apt repo |
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| 00:15.36 | bolt | WormDrink: so you are planning on buying the dvd's or downloading them somewhere else? |
| 00:15.41 | WormDrink | and not have what i downloaded |
| 00:15.49 | WormDrink | downloading it somewhere else |
| 00:16.09 | bolt | right. then get all the install dvd's, burn them and place them next to your computer :) |
| 00:16.19 | WormDrink | no |
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| 00:16.22 | WormDrink | not gonna do that |
| 00:16.44 | bolt | or you can do a base install, put all the dvd's on a portable harddrive and move them to your machine after install |
| 00:17.06 | WormDrink | ugh, ffs, can someone just awnswer this yes or no ... Can i download the dvds, put the conent on a ftp, use the network install to install it from there ? |
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| 00:19.04 | bolt | WormDrink: putting the dvd images directly on an ftp site is not going to work. i guess you could extract all the packages, but then you might as well download the entire mirror as packages in the first place |
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| 00:19.17 | bolt | WormDrink: but you can put them on your ftp yes |
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| 00:19.52 | albumine | hey |
| 00:20.10 | bolt | WormDrink: it all comes down to you needing either a local apt mirror (which can be an ftp site) or all the install media on dvd's (at least the ones with what you are going to install)= |
| 00:20.11 | albumine | im trying out a audio streaming program but am behind a NAT |
| 00:20.19 | lexande | hey i am using an e1000 ethernet card with 2.6.24 and it keeps hanging, dmesg reports nothing but if i leave a ping process running it starts saying "ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available" |
| 00:20.26 | bolt | albumine: just ask your question :) |
| 00:20.56 | albumine | bolt: im able to access at 192.168.x.x but not at my public IP |
| 00:21.10 | lexande | what might cause this? |
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| 00:21.38 | albumine | bolt: asked my friend on the other side of the coast to try this |
| 00:21.53 | bolt | albumine: you need port forwarding enabled and configured on whatever device is connected directly to the internet |
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| 00:22.59 | albumine | bolt:oh.... |
| 00:23.12 | bolt | albumine: when someone tries to connect to your public ip, whatever is connected directly there wont know which of your local machines are supposed to recieve the packages. thus, it does nothing. you need to set up port forwarding :) |
| 00:23.53 | albumine | bolt: so i need to look into the router settings right? |
| 00:23.53 | jetscreamer | so how long to brute force 128bit encryption |
| 00:23.58 | jetscreamer | approximately |
| 00:23.59 | bolt | albumine: yep |
| 00:24.04 | jetscreamer | year? 5? |
| 00:24.10 | albumine | bolt: thanks....ll look into it |
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| 00:25.24 | bolt | jetscreamer: worst case scenario, 2^128 attempts. how many can you do a second? a million? |
| 00:26.38 | jetscreamer | guess i should whip out the hp boxes then ... |
| 00:26.40 | bolt | jetscreamer: all depends on how long it takes to try decrypting whatever you're decrypting |
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| 00:27.41 | bolt | jetscreamer: my box does a million attempts a second on m$ word's 64-bit encryption. it does a tenth of that on the new .docx format |
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| 00:30.10 | Ace2016 | still 100 000 attempts a second is pretty good |
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| 00:31.04 | b0xt | Ayone ever tried the official Realtek rtl8185 driver ? |
| 00:31.16 | b0xt | I can paste you think link if you want a reference for that... |
| 00:31.44 | bolt | Ace2016: but .docx uses 256-bit or something... 2^256 = astronomical |
| 00:31.59 | Ace2016 | ah |
| 00:32.01 | Ace2016 | missed that |
| 00:32.05 | abrotman | !2**256 |
| 00:32.05 | dpkg | a number with quite a few digits... |
| 00:32.07 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:32.33 | bolt | Ace2016: the only thing you can do with .docx is brute-force the password. hopefully, you've seen someone type it and know a few of the characters. then it's doable. |
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| 00:33.16 | dondelelcaro | depends what algorithm it's using; there are methods besides brute forcing passwords. |
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| 00:33.32 | bolt | Ace2016: while on .doc it's easier and faster to just try all 2^64 encryption keys and forget the password |
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| 00:34.05 | Ace2016 | what if the password is 25 characters long or something long like that? |
| 00:34.10 | dondelelcaro | but in any event, docx isn't on topic here, nor is its encryption. |
| 00:34.25 | bolt | Ace2016: the key is still going to be 64 bit |
| 00:34.27 | jetscreamer | ok lets discuss 128bit pdf pw's... |
| 00:34.32 | bolt | Ace2016: several passwords will give the same keys |
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| 00:34.58 | Ace2016 | strange, i always felt that i type my password wrong but it strangely seems to log me in |
| 00:35.09 | bolt | :P |
| 00:35.11 | sier | My X is not working.. getting a "screens not found error" :( |
| 00:36.27 | abrotman | sier: probably another error farther up in the log |
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| 00:36.32 | sco50000 | i'm trying to use jigdo to download a debian ISO, but it keeps telling me 19 files couldn't be downloaded |
| 00:37.06 | sier | is there a way to paste logs to a pastebin site? like wgetpaste ? |
| 00:37.23 | jetscreamer | jigdo used to suck and i hear it's not much better |
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| 00:37.29 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 00:37.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 00:37.33 | dondelelcaro | sco50000: is the .jigdo and the mirror you're using up to date? what .jigdo file are you using? |
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| 00:38.07 | sco50000 | dondelelcaro: i just downloaded this jigdo file from the debian site |
| 00:38.23 | sco50000 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.jigdo |
| 00:38.37 | sco50000 | i have tried multiple us and non-us mirrors |
| 00:38.38 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 00:38.58 | simonrvn | use etch... |
| 00:39.05 | jetscreamer | why don't you just use wget -c sco50000 ... i find wget to wind up being faster than torrent |
| 00:39.12 | FiendishFish | When I sudo It doesn't askk for a password, Is it because of my visudo entry 'fiendishfish ALL=(ALL) ALL" |
| 00:39.20 | sco50000 | jetscreamer: jigdo isn't torrent |
| 00:39.32 | jetscreamer | sco50000: same principle... faster better stronger |
| 00:39.44 | jetscreamer | FiendishFish: i believe so yes |
| 00:39.58 | FiendishFish | jetscreamer, how do I add it so it still requests a password? |
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| 00:40.17 | sco50000 | jetscreamer: but i already downloaded all but 19 files, i'm reluctant to redownload all of it |
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| 00:40.38 | sco50000 | simonrvn: i don't want etch |
| 00:40.39 | jetscreamer | FiendishFish: that becomes the default behavior with a later version, not sure how to tell you.. it's doable though |
| 00:41.04 | jetscreamer | sco50000: you can see if wget -c will use your existing downloaded stuff... it might not, but you could try |
| 00:41.13 | simonrvn | sco50000: upgrade to lenny when you're done |
| 00:41.40 | sco50000 | simonrvn: what's wrong with getting the lenny ISO? |
| 00:41.49 | jetscreamer | sco50000: try it on a copy if you do though |
| 00:41.57 | jetscreamer | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 00:41.57 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
| 00:42.10 | simonrvn | it's testing, it's bound to have issues |
| 00:42.21 | bond007 | hello all, is there anyone willing to help with a lpd print server problem; I followed this howto http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/110/228/ but for some reason my print jobs keep getting stopped as well as /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed - anyone help? |
| 00:42.34 | sco50000 | simonrvn: i'm on lenny right now, it's fine :P |
| 00:42.48 | simonrvn | the iso... |
| 00:42.49 | jetscreamer | he 'might' have meant the installer |
| 00:43.37 | jetscreamer | so i really need to put the c2d on this pw cracking thing... damn. |
| 00:44.11 | jetscreamer | 20k/s |
| 00:44.34 | sier | !paste |
| 00:44.34 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 00:44.48 | simonrvn | This: that's getting to be annoying. please stop |
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| 00:45.04 | This | ah sry |
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| 00:45.12 | jetscreamer | !tell sier -about msg |
| 00:45.28 | abrotman | msg the bot ? |
| 00:45.32 | cizzi | how many hits can a p3 system with apache2 handle ? (Estimate)? are we talking 100 hits at any given time? less? more? |
| 00:45.37 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 00:45.40 | cizzi | static pages mainly |
| 00:45.40 | jetscreamer | it's in there |
| 00:46.44 | abrotman | cizzi: PIII is a wide variety .. and you left out RAM |
| 00:46.51 | cizzi | 768mb |
| 00:46.55 | cizzi | copperine 1.0ghz |
| 00:46.59 | cizzi | coppermine |
| 00:47.04 | sier | How Do I paste something in console to a browser? :( |
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| 00:47.20 | abrotman | !tell sier about pastewithoutx |
| 00:47.32 | jetscreamer | !tell sier -about gpm |
| 00:47.44 | sier | thanks |
| 00:47.58 | abrotman | oh yeah .. gpm .. mess him up why don't you |
| 00:48.26 | jetscreamer | well gpm is in the pwox one |
| 00:48.33 | jetscreamer | !pwox |
| 00:48.35 | jetscreamer | dang |
| 00:48.36 | abrotman | not even close |
| 00:49.17 | cizzi | load balancing can be interesting.. |
| 00:49.22 | jetscreamer | i can't remember why i disabled gpm |
| 00:49.22 | cizzi | new challenge |
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| 00:49.33 | jetscreamer | you have multiple nics then cizzi |
| 00:49.52 | cizzi | yes |
| 00:49.58 | jetscreamer | just checking |
| 00:50.09 | cizzi | i have 4 debian boxes connected to my lan |
| 00:50.25 | jetscreamer | you have multiple nics in one box then cizzi |
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| 00:50.32 | cizzi | jetscreamer - no... |
| 00:50.36 | cizzi | just 1 per box |
| 00:50.41 | jetscreamer | define load balancing |
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| 00:51.22 | cizzi | jetscreamer - well I'm gonna try to seperate web services from the main server to its own server, however, my user's home pages should still reside on the main server.. thinking how i can do that |
| 00:51.24 | jetscreamer | what i mean is, isn't load balancing for multiple nics in one box? |
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| 00:51.46 | jetscreamer | aka cisco bonding, or so i read? |
| 00:52.30 | jetscreamer | i'f i'm wrong just say so and ignore me |
| 00:52.36 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:52.45 | abrotman | there are other kinds |
| 00:52.48 | cizzi | jetscreamer - you may be right... im learning as I go.. so I don't know |
| 00:53.13 | jetscreamer | abrotman seems to know more than i do, so... |
| 00:53.57 | lexande | hey i am using an e1000 ethernet card with 2.6.24 and it keeps hanging, dmesg reports nothing but if i leave a ping process running it starts saying "ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available", what might cause this? |
| 00:53.59 | cizzi | see.. I have everything set up on a old p3 and it works perfectly so far... however I built a new machine, much more powerfull.. and thinking if i should transfer stuff over or not |
| 00:54.24 | cizzi | lexande - which motherboard? is it from intel? |
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| 00:56.12 | sier | abrotman: sorry to bother you again.. I followed everything, I press send, but I do not see the url link to the text posted |
| 00:57.12 | lexande | cizzi: yeah the chipset is some sort of intel centrino, this is a thinkpad t61 |
| 00:57.13 | abrotman | sier: it's only 22 lines |
| 00:57.44 | abrotman | sier: aptitude install xorg |
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| 00:58.07 | lexande | cizzi: lspci says the network card is 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566MM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03) |
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| 00:59.15 | sier | abrotman: 0packages installed :) i already apt-get install it |
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| 00:59.29 | cizzi | lexande - i have the same nic |
| 00:59.36 | cizzi | lexande - and i compiled that same kernel |
| 00:59.38 | cizzi | it works |
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| 00:59.58 | jvm | hi. i created a hard disk image with dd, but by accident of the whole disk, not of each partition in seperate. (so there is the partition table and multiple partitions inside one image file.) how do i mount this? |
| 01:00.06 | abrotman | sier: lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:00.25 | lexande | cizzi: i am using the linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64 from apt |
| 01:00.38 | cizzi | lexande - i got 2.6.24 from kernel.org |
| 01:00.44 | cizzi | make-dpkg etc |
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| 01:01.12 | sier | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0611 (rev a |
| 01:01.30 | sier | I have a geforce 8800GT, and looks like the nv driver does not support it |
| 01:01.43 | cizzi | you might wanna run update-pciids to update your lspci |
| 01:01.51 | sier | I tried to install the NVIDIA driver located on their website, but it looks like it did not find a "kernel source tree" |
| 01:02.12 | sier | cizzi: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8800 GT (rev a2) |
| 01:02.19 | cizzi | right |
| 01:02.42 | cizzi | so the problem is your nic u said? |
| 01:02.48 | abrotman | sier: did you try vesa ? |
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| 01:04.20 | cizzi | sier - for the source tree sometimes you can try telling it when your source lives.. i.e /usr/src/linux.. with a parameter command line for the NVIDIA binary |
| 01:04.38 | lexande | cizzi: the debian patches don't seem to touch the e1000 driver |
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| 01:05.58 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:05.58 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 01:10.56 | jimm | hi |
| 01:10.58 | selam | hi, |
| 01:11.25 | selam | how can i learn ethernet connection speed under command line? |
| 01:11.50 | jimm | I guess you'd test it... |
| 01:12.15 | selam | how? |
| 01:12.17 | jimm | I dunno exactly |
| 01:12.39 | jimm | probably that depends on what your actual goal is |
| 01:12.45 | Supaplex | jimm: how many hosts are on your lan? |
| 01:12.54 | Supaplex | jimm: nm, misdirect |
| 01:13.21 | Supaplex | selam: are you testing lan to lan? lan to internet? elaborate. |
| 01:14.17 | jimm | well there's my gw and my main machine... planned are two printers, occasional laptop (this is wired only)... and possibly a lan party on occasion |
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| 01:14.27 | selam | lan to internet |
| 01:14.43 | jimm | so to your gateway to start with |
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| 01:15.49 | sier | Hi, I changed it to vesa, and my computer .. was frozen.. looks like the freq was too high for my monitor |
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| 01:17.36 | lexande | i keep getting disconnected because the network card keeps hanging, could somebody please help me fix this? |
| 01:17.53 | lexande | (i am using an e1000 ethernet card with 2.6.24 and it keeps hanging, dmesg reports nothing but if i leave a ping process running it starts saying "ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available", what might cause this?) |
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| 01:19.05 | selam | i found a solution ethtool |
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| 01:21.27 | AnObfuscator | Hi, is there an apt-get equivalent to "yum provides"? |
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| 01:23.42 | jimm | what do yum provides? |
| 01:23.44 | AnObfuscator | I.e., "yum provides xyz" will tell you what package will provide that library |
| 01:23.44 | petemc | AnObfuscator: apt-file |
| 01:24.04 | petemc | !search |
| 01:24.04 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 01:24.51 | jimm | hmm :) perhaps people should be told to search in the -topic-... |
| 01:24.52 | AnObfuscator | ah ha. Great. thanks. |
| 01:25.15 | baloo | Huh, interesting. Debian has a registered tartan in Scotland now. |
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| 01:25.25 | jimm | if you're going to yell at them for something, it might as well be something they KNOW. |
| 01:25.32 | abrotman | baloo: had it since DC7 |
| 01:26.10 | baloo | abrotman: English? |
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| 01:26.13 | abrotman | baloo: DC7 in edinburgh ? |
| 01:26.17 | abrotman | DebConf7 |
| 01:26.20 | baloo | Aah. |
| 01:26.50 | abrotman | baloo: http://planet.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?terms=tartan |
| 01:26.52 | jimm | is it possible to participate remotely in DCs? |
| 01:27.22 | abrotman | jimm: they have video streams .. to watch |
| 01:28.05 | jimm | hmm, cool :) are there sometimes sessions where a guy is in the room and on here and taking remote questions or something like that? |
| 01:28.32 | abrotman | i don't tihnk they take remote questions .. but you can watch the stream |
| 01:28.45 | jimm | cool... it's not going on now is it? |
| 01:28.52 | abrotman | uh no |
| 01:28.56 | jimm | oh ok |
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| 01:30.18 | jimm | is there a graphic tool for creating zone files, forward and reverse? |
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| 01:30.59 | jimm | (the one for dhcp3 server had my dhcp server up so fast I was still moving my hand when it started... good work!) |
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| 01:32.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | can someone see whats wrong with my find syntax ? :( `find ./ -name *mp3 -exec mv -v {} ./ \;` i cant see anything wrong with it |
| 01:32.28 | per | Is there a way to load kernel-modules with parameters, without unloading them first (I need to set debug on a tree of modules)? |
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| 01:33.00 | jimm | also, I'm seeking people to express some offhand opinions if they own an RME hammerfall multiface (and the hdsp interface card) |
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| 01:34.41 | jimm | I'm looking into purchasing same... but I want at least to hear, "Wow, it works, it works great! linux and ardour, no problem!" |
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| 01:37.51 | jimm | !maint gdhcpd |
| 01:37.53 | dpkg | gdhcpd: Daniel Baumann <daniel@debian.org> |
| 01:38.02 | jimm | is he here? |
| 01:38.13 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: error ? |
| 01:38.15 | abrotman | jimm: not likely |
| 01:38.46 | jimm | thats not DanielS is it? |
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| 01:39.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman, find: paths must precede expression |
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| 01:40.07 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: maybe just . instead of ./ ? thought that doesn't make sense |
| 01:40.07 | akuwamari | HI |
| 01:40.08 | jimm | its find (some starting paths here) (a single expression here) |
| 01:40.18 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: find ./ -name *mp3 -print ? |
| 01:40.33 | akuwamari | is there some aplication to create text images ? |
| 01:40.43 | akuwamari | like banner, but small images |
| 01:40.53 | abrotman | gimp ? |
| 01:40.56 | abrotman | inkscape |
| 01:41.01 | akuwamari | no |
| 01:41.02 | abrotman | sodipodi |
| 01:41.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman, `find . -name *.mp3 -print` fails too |
| 01:41.06 | akuwamari | text images |
| 01:41.11 | abrotman | text images eh ? |
| 01:41.15 | jimm | what do you mean "no" :) |
| 01:41.19 | akuwamari | like * * |
| 01:41.22 | abrotman | akuwamari: like gimp |
| 01:41.39 | abrotman | akuwamari: maybe try inkscape or scribus |
| 01:42.00 | akuwamari | abrotman: do you know banner? |
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| 01:42.09 | jimm | Bruce Banner? |
| 01:42.14 | sier | Hi, I changed it to vesa, and my computer .. was frozen.. looks like the freq was too high for my monitor |
| 01:42.17 | sier | sorry! |
| 01:42.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman, leaving out -name *mp3 lists all the files |
| 01:42.22 | sier | OMG, ITs working! |
| 01:42.24 | sier | X is working :) |
| 01:42.28 | abrotman | *.mp3 ? |
| 01:42.31 | sier | thanks for all the help. |
| 01:43.05 | Tramp | Kamping_Kaiser: \* |
| 01:43.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tramp, ah, thanks. thats it |
| 01:43.30 | abrotman | see .. he is useful! |
| 01:43.35 | Decepticon | why is 'fat32' grayed out in gparted when i try to format a device to fat32 |
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| 01:43.37 | imperfec1- | anyone here |
| 01:43.43 | jimm | no |
| 01:43.43 | abrotman | no |
| 01:43.52 | jimm | definitely no! |
| 01:43.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | Decepticon, enforced taste :p |
| 01:43.55 | jimm | I'm not here! |
| 01:44.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | Decepticon, probably dont have the ms formats toools installed :) |
| 01:44.14 | Decepticon | ah ok, what is the package's name? |
| 01:44.16 | imperfec1- | Anyone know on a fresh debian install if there is a way to get the default 'debian' menus in window managers like xfce and the like? |
| 01:44.33 | Penix | imperfec1-: install 'menu' |
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| 01:45.09 | imperfec1- | Penix: is there a package? |
| 01:45.19 | Penix | imperfec1-: install 'menu' |
| 01:45.33 | Decepticon | Kamping_Kaiser is it 'ms-sys' |
| 01:45.38 | imperfec1- | says it's already at it's newest version. |
| 01:45.39 | imperfec1- | Yet |
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| 01:45.48 | imperfec1- | I have no debian menu ;) |
| 01:45.57 | Penix | imperfec1-: you can add it with the xfce menueditor IIRC |
| 01:45.57 | jimm | why? |
| 01:46.24 | imperfec1- | blah |
| 01:46.24 | imperfec1- | I'd rather ahve kde4 |
| 01:46.26 | jimm | whatever. why don't you have it? |
| 01:46.40 | imperfec1- | well |
| 01:46.44 | imperfec1- | I built it from source |
| 01:46.47 | imperfec1- | wasn't quite right. |
| 01:46.49 | abrotman | duh |
| 01:46.50 | imperfec1- | removed all that |
| 01:46.55 | jimm | how did that go for you? |
| 01:47.00 | imperfec1- | tried to get the packages from experimental installed and it was a big pain in the ass |
| 01:47.03 | imperfec1- | I got it all to build |
| 01:47.09 | imperfec1- | It built just fine, just didnt look right |
| 01:47.16 | abrotman | installed? |
| 01:47.20 | jimm | ok, that's a fair amount of progress |
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| 01:47.38 | imperfec1- | Stuff kept dying etc |
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| 01:47.40 | jimm | so... why did you want it in the first place |
| 01:47.44 | sier | Hi all :) I'm very happy with Debian so far... |
| 01:47.47 | Penix | heh. all this desire for kde4 reminds me of gnome 2.0 |
| 01:47.48 | imperfec1- | Cuz it's all pruty |
| 01:47.59 | nevyn | Fluffy bunnies! |
| 01:48.00 | imperfec1- | And I'm not using this machine |
| 01:48.00 | jimm | why is it pruty? |
| 01:48.06 | imperfec1- | puuuurty |
| 01:48.07 | Penix | it's not |
| 01:48.08 | imperfec1- | It just is. |
| 01:48.09 | imperfec1- | shit. |
| 01:48.09 | imperfec1- | =) |
| 01:48.10 | Penix | far from it |
| 01:48.12 | abrotman | it's not pretty if it's not running |
| 01:48.14 | jimm | oo, ok |
| 01:48.21 | imperfec1- | Look |
| 01:48.26 | imperfec1- | I've got a quad core machine |
| 01:48.27 | jimm | maybe it's prettier when it doesn't run! |
| 01:48.29 | imperfec1- | + 4gig of ram |
| 01:48.35 | Penix | that's nice |
| 01:48.39 | jimm | so have vmachines! |
| 01:48.39 | imperfec1- | I'd like to use something on it |
| 01:48.46 | imperfec1- | and if vista 64 is on it |
| 01:48.48 | imperfec1- | I dont use the machine |
| 01:48.48 | imperfec1- | so |
| 01:48.49 | nevyn | jimm: fluffy bunnies |
| 01:48.50 | imperfec1- | here we are |
| 01:48.50 | imperfec1- | plus |
| 01:48.53 | Penix | !enter |
| 01:48.53 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 01:48.55 | jetscreamer | compile the damn thing yourself |
| 01:48.58 | imperfec1- | this is a decent dist for dynamips |
| 01:49.03 | jetscreamer | problem solved |
| 01:49.04 | abrotman | jetscreamer: he tried that ... it failed |
| 01:49.07 | jetscreamer | o |
| 01:49.13 | imperfec1- | well |
| 01:49.14 | jetscreamer | ok, do it right this time |
| 01:49.18 | imperfec1- | The vuild didn't fail. |
| 01:49.22 | imperfec1- | er builds went fine |
| 01:49.32 | jimm | he did that, and he wasn't satisfied... I'm trying to get him to consider why it wasn't what he wanted and to consider how to get what he wants |
| 01:49.34 | jetscreamer | then you should be happy |
| 01:49.41 | Decepticon | i installed the package ms-sys, and i still cant get gparted to do 'fat32' formatting, it is simply grayed out! what am i missing here?! |
| 01:49.53 | imperfec1- | Something wasn't quite right. |
| 01:49.56 | jetscreamer | dostools or so |
| 01:50.04 | Penix | Decepticon: that's for boot stuff, not fs stuff |
| 01:50.09 | imperfec1- | I mean, I built base/libs/ and all the other packages as well |
| 01:50.11 | abrotman | Decepticon: dosfstools |
| 01:50.13 | Penix | dosfstools |
| 01:50.19 | nevyn | jimm: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/lca-and-fluffy-bunnies.html |
| 01:50.21 | Decepticon | ah ok |
| 01:50.24 | jimm | jetscreamer, wasn't purty enuf for him... so he wants something to look differently... but the problem here and now is he's not really saying specifically what he wants |
| 01:50.42 | imperfec1- | It's not that it wasn't pretty. There were _problems_ with the install. |
| 01:50.53 | abrotman | imperfec1-: kde4 isn't supported here |
| 01:50.53 | imperfec1- | It launched the panels, managed windows... however kdeinit crashed. |
| 01:50.58 | imperfec1- | There were problems. |
| 01:50.58 | jetscreamer | blame the dev guy who compiled it then |
| 01:51.00 | abrotman | imperfec1-: kde4 isn't supported here |
| 01:51.03 | jetscreamer | that moron |
| 01:51.06 | jimm | ok |
| 01:51.07 | jetscreamer | he should be shot |
| 01:51.14 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 01:51.17 | jetscreamer | kindof |
| 01:51.18 | jimm | when shot there will be a red spot |
| 01:51.29 | jimm | if not, maybe it's green snot |
| 01:51.29 | abrotman | imperfec1-: either ask #kde or #debian-kde |
| 01:51.38 | Penix | maybe it's a fugly plasmoid |
| 01:51.46 | jetscreamer | there's probably a 3rd party sorce for kde4 debs |
| 01:51.49 | jetscreamer | but i'm guessing |
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| 01:51.53 | abrotman | jetscreamer: there's an experimental source |
| 01:51.55 | jetscreamer | source |
| 01:51.58 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's still not supported here |
| 01:52.17 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i wasn't asking for it to be |
| 01:52.33 | imperfec1- | yeah there's experimental packages |
| 01:52.38 | imperfec1- | Ok |
| 01:52.50 | imperfec1- | Any reason you're openly hostile? |
| 01:53.01 | Penix | imperfec1-: out of curiosity, what do you actually use that fancy quad core box for? |
| 01:53.07 | jetscreamer | but you have no idea if everything one might need for kde4 is actually in experimental |
| 01:53.14 | imperfec1- | Penix: dynamips. |
| 01:53.28 | jimm | imperfec1-: you could play with virtualization |
| 01:53.33 | abrotman | imperfec1-: it's just not supported here .. it's a bleeding edge pile of software .. lots of people are having problems with it . and it's not officially in debian |
| 01:54.12 | imperfec1- | jimm: nod. |
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| 01:54.46 | jimm | quake4 and doom3 have downloadables... if you have the game you can run full version |
| 01:54.50 | imperfec1- | jimm: I use the box for dynamips and its got a24inch lcd I paid too much money for.. so I thought i should use the nvidia card it has for purties |
| 01:54.51 | Penix | imperfec1-: exam(s) coming up or something?... |
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| 01:55.05 | imperfec1- | Penix: I'm in the field. And not really. Just learning BGP |
| 01:55.05 | micky | hello, can anyone point me to an ISCSI Howto ( setting up the host server ) ? mainly open-iscsi |
| 01:55.26 | imperfec1- | Penix: should I decide to certify it'll be helpful |
| 01:55.30 | Penix | micky: google can |
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| 01:55.44 | imperfec1- | Is ISCII better than the NBD? |
| 01:56.02 | Penix | yes |
| 01:56.07 | micky | Penix actually google was really lousy at it.. i've been searching and reading the readme for the past 2 hours but to no avail.. |
| 01:56.16 | imperfec1- | I haven't used NBD in probably 5 years |
| 01:56.44 | jimm | does the linux documentation project have an iscsi howto? |
| 01:56.51 | micky | Penix basicly i cant understand which part do i need to follow to setup the debian box as the host.. is it a target or a discovery ? |
| 01:57.02 | Penix | micky: funny, I've found several howtos after a couple of minutes of googling |
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| 01:57.18 | Penix | micky: eh? the server's the target |
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| 01:57.33 | jimm | that's probably all he needs ftm |
| 01:57.43 | sier | Ok ok.. In 30 minutes = X, Dual Monitor and Sound are working :) Goal = High Res Console |
| 01:58.05 | micky | host -> debian box / client -> windows machine.. so debian is the target ? |
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| 01:58.54 | Penix | micky: if the debian box is to be the iscsi server, it's the target. if the windows box is to be the client, it's the initiator IIRC |
| 01:59.09 | Penix | all this coming from someone with next to no iscsi experience btw |
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| 01:59.21 | micky | thanks |
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| 01:59.30 | imperfec1- | I had some dececnt luck with Cedga |
| 01:59.36 | imperfec1- | I had it working like... maybe 2 years ago |
| 01:59.41 | ohhi | hey.. is there a way to find an ip address on the network if you have a mac address? |
| 01:59.44 | imperfec1- | Good times I plauyed wow |
| 01:59.57 | imperfec1- | ohhi: arp -a ? |
| 02:00.03 | ohhi | imperfec1-: checked.. not in that list |
| 02:00.04 | imperfec1- | ohhi: got access to a decent switch? |
| 02:00.16 | ohhi | imperfec1-: nah.. consumer gbit switch |
| 02:00.17 | imperfec1- | ohhi: got access to the switch thats' attached to the segement? |
| 02:00.19 | imperfec1- | Hrm. |
| 02:00.20 | jimm | well one of my goals :) another is to get pro-level recording capability under linux |
| 02:00.25 | imperfec1- | sh ip arp if you had a cisco ;) |
| 02:00.30 | ohhi | dammit, hehe |
| 02:00.42 | Penix | jimm: go for that one first. way more fun and rewarding than lame games ;) |
| 02:00.55 | imperfec1- | where are you getting the mac from? |
| 02:00.57 | jimm | you got rme stuff? |
| 02:01.02 | abrotman | ohhi: arpping |
| 02:01.08 | abrotman | !info arpping |
| 02:01.14 | abrotman | uh |
| 02:01.15 | abrotman | !info arping |
| 02:01.17 | dpkg | arping: (sends IP and/or ARP pings (to the MAC address)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.05-2 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 02:01.17 | Penix | jimm: nah. M Audio |
| 02:01.25 | ohhi | imperfec1-: my linux gateway.. trying to find out where this bandwidth is going.. iptraf gives me a mac |
| 02:01.26 | jimm | over firewire? |
| 02:01.30 | Penix | jimm: PCI |
| 02:01.30 | jimm | or? |
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| 02:01.38 | imperfec1- | sweet god. |
| 02:01.39 | ohhi | abrotman: thanks, ill try that out |
| 02:01.43 | imperfec1- | tcpdump on the gateway son |
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| 02:02.12 | jimm | hmm, I guess that would work for me but I'd kinda rather have a breakout box and the ability to connect to it from either the desktop or the laptop |
| 02:02.14 | ohhi | ya? i think i looked briefly once at it, dont you have to pass it with a lot of other expressions right? never learnt the syntax.. this seemed easiest |
| 02:02.24 | Penix | jimm: you can get PCI card with breakout boxes |
| 02:02.25 | imperfec1- | uhm |
| 02:02.30 | imperfec1- | tcpdump -i interface -nn |
| 02:02.36 | jimm | yeah, I know |
| 02:02.37 | imperfec1- | watch for the most popular ip |
| 02:02.38 | imperfec1- | ;) |
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| 02:03.07 | Penix | jimm: there are a few USB/Firewire units that work well with Linux/ALSA AFAIK |
| 02:03.10 | ohhi | so quick |
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| 02:03.42 | jimm | but then, could I get a pcmcia or cardbus card to connect to the same hardware, and then can I run it under either linux or win (or mac too; I may still go there) |
| 02:04.17 | Penix | bleh. pcmcia cards always make me picture some yucky Creative device |
| 02:04.32 | jimm | how else would I connect the laptop? |
| 02:04.39 | Anonissimus | pcmcia make me remember that one laptop where it just did not want to work |
| 02:04.49 | Anonissimus | and I had to put nopcmcia in the boot |
| 02:05.04 | imperfec1- | ohhi: tcpdump -tnn -c 50000 -i eth1 | awk -F "." '{print $1"."$2"."$3"."$4}' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr | awk ' $1 > 1000 ' |
| 02:05.12 | imperfec1- | ohhi: it'll print your top talkers. |
| 02:05.37 | imperfec1- | (might wanna drop the 50000 to something more reasonable for a single network) |
| 02:05.37 | ohhi | blah... i should really pick up regexp |
| 02:05.39 | ohhi | thanks alot |
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| 02:05.46 | jimm | oh, yeah, I remember trying to figure out why pcmcia card services wouldn't work... found out irq10 made the laptop crash... made cs ignore that IP... joyjoyjoy! |
| 02:05.53 | abrotman | imperfec1-: arping ? |
| 02:06.04 | Decepticon | what do i put for fat32 partitions in the third field in /etc/fstab? |
| 02:06.14 | Decepticon | vfat? |
| 02:06.18 | ohhi | abrotman: ive got it installed right now, just finding the flag to ping by MAC, looks like it goes other way around by default |
| 02:06.19 | abrotman | Decepticon: yes |
| 02:06.40 | imperfec1- | abrotman: I thought he wanted top talkers as well. |
| 02:06.50 | abrotman | i think you did |
| 02:06.51 | ohhi | both are very helpful |
| 02:06.56 | jimm | ohhi: it's a fairly good skill that is applicable in lots of situations... and so are scripting languages like bash, perl, python |
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| 02:07.18 | imperfec1- | arping -t MACADD |
| 02:07.24 | imperfec1- | I believe is the syntax |
| 02:07.26 | ohhi | jimm: certainly.. some day :) |
| 02:07.27 | ohhi | thanks |
| 02:07.28 | jimm | together they open a LOT of power |
| 02:07.52 | atealtha | is there a Debian way to get the high resolution kernel? |
| 02:07.59 | jimm | someday? what's holding you back? you can learn one little thing about one of them |
| 02:08.02 | Penix | atealtha: what's that? |
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| 02:08.09 | imperfec1- | back in the day I used SVGAtextmode |
| 02:08.12 | abrotman | atealtha: make-kpkg .. have fun compiling |
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| 02:08.21 | atealtha | abrotman: doh |
| 02:08.21 | imperfec1- | but that was like |
| 02:08.23 | imperfec1- | 1995 |
| 02:08.29 | abrotman | imperfec1-: LAY OFF THE ENTER KEY |
| 02:08.43 | imperfec1- | abrotman: Lay off the caps lock; |
| 02:08.45 | Decepticon | i just formatted a partition to fat32 via gparted, i am trying to set a label with e2label with 'sudo e2label /dev/sda1 Bruce\ Lee' but i am seeing this error message: "e2label: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda1" and the following line "Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock." |
| 02:08.46 | jimm | and have that be useful (example... when I found I could break down a line from /etc/passwd into separate variables in -one- line of perl, I was forever hooked) |
| 02:08.48 | abrotman | that wasn't capslock |
| 02:09.00 | o7andrew | Who's On Bebo?? |
| 02:09.14 | jimm | NO, who's on first! |
| 02:09.15 | abrotman | Decepticon: i think the filesystem has to support it |
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| 02:09.31 | Decepticon | i thought ntfs was the unsupported one |
| 02:09.36 | Decepticon | fat32? common |
| 02:09.42 | imperfec1- | jimm: cut ! |
| 02:09.45 | imperfec1- | jimm: ftw! |
| 02:09.57 | jimm | that too, but that takes lines and lines :) |
| 02:10.09 | jimm | otoh, cut is very very useful |
| 02:10.09 | Decepticon | fat32 doesnt support labels? |
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| 02:10.17 | extor | Anyone know how much premium thttpd costs? I am trying to find a multiplexing server that can run fastcgi based perl scripts, cuz mod_perl is just a drag |
| 02:10.20 | abrotman | Decepticon: i doubt it |
| 02:10.34 | imperfec1- | jimm: I'm just not a huge fan of loading perl into memory for 1 line ;) |
| 02:10.49 | abrotman | Decepticon: e2label implies ext2 i'd think |
| 02:11.07 | Decepticon | hmm i see |
| 02:11.09 | jimm | imperfec1-: well there is that... but you'd have to do it for bash too |
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| 02:11.22 | Decepticon | and there is no equivalent for fat32 filesystems? |
| 02:11.50 | ohhi | no replies using arping :\.. with -i as well.. (i dont think -t was right, i just passed it a : separated MAC and it pinged) |
| 02:11.52 | abrotman | read the mkfs.vfat man page |
| 02:12.09 | jimm | so you'd either have the login shell already or an additional copy of the shell, and then cut... then for each, you'd have all the disk mangling required to either page an sh and cut or just cut |
| 02:12.30 | jimm | perl/python/tcl/whatever is starting to look awfully good :) |
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| 02:13.27 | jimm | Penix, you know anyone with RME stuff? |
| 02:13.31 | imperfec1- | ohhi: you're not... monitroing the cable modem facing interface are? |
| 02:13.45 | ohhi | imperfec1-: initially i was, then i switched it |
| 02:14.07 | imperfec1- | You're going to see tons of layer2 traffic on the external interface |
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| 02:14.15 | jimm | imperfec1-: you say that like it's a really bad, scary thing :) |
| 02:14.39 | imperfec1- | jimm: nah. just gonna make him think his world is UNDER ATTAKCHESKJSKJSD BY THE HAXOORZ |
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| 02:17.34 | bolt | How can I make the console turn off my lcd screen instead of just blanking it, like I can set in X with xset dpmi? |
| 02:18.38 | lexande | problem with e1000 hanging was fixed by using a kernel.org kernel instead of the debian one. this should presumably be a bug against linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64 but i am not very sure how to reproduce it (though bittorrent seems to accelerate its occurrence) |
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| 02:19.02 | ohhi | imperfec1-: that tcpdump line you gave me didnt report any ips |
| 02:19.20 | imperfec1- | ohhi: check the interface name |
| 02:19.21 | jimm | lexande: I'd start by comparing the drivers |
| 02:19.42 | imperfec1- | What interface are you wanting to watch? |
| 02:19.45 | ohhi | eth1 |
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| 02:20.25 | jimm | so, no RME hdsp users/owners? |
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| 02:20.49 | techouse | how do i install java to firefox? i already have jre6u3 installed (i make a java package from the original installed) |
| 02:20.53 | techouse | installer* |
| 02:21.31 | jimm | you sure it's not there? I would think most javas come with the plugin |
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| 02:22.35 | jessen | anyone ever had problems with intermittent dropping of connections with wpa supplicant? |
| 02:22.36 | techouse | plugin? i installed jre6u3 for firefox :D |
| 02:22.42 | techouse | i mean for azureus :D |
| 02:22.43 | techouse | lol |
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| 02:22.48 | jessen | i'm using the wext driver with the ndiswrapper kernel module |
| 02:22.49 | garou | Hi. I think I fscked up my system, and good. I can't run apt-get upgrade/install/anything without it trying to update fuse-utils and libfuse2, but when it tries to shut fuse down, that process just freezes. I suspect the freeze on shutdown has the same origin. I failed on trying to remove it for the same reason. How can I get my system into a working state again? |
| 02:23.08 | techouse | !dpkg jre |
| 02:23.14 | abrotman | garou: do you want it installed ? |
| 02:23.18 | Penix | techouse: /msg dpkg jre |
| 02:23.21 | abrotman | !tell techouse about install java |
| 02:23.23 | techouse | ah |
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| 02:23.37 | garou | Right now, no, or to be precise, I don't care. |
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| 02:23.58 | abrotman | garou: you could put an exit 0 at the top of the prerm script .. and then it will think it has stopped it |
| 02:24.36 | sier | OMG, No flash w/ Debian amd64? :(\ |
| 02:24.37 | garou | Where do I find it? /etc/apt/something? |
| 02:24.59 | abrotman | !tell sier about nspluginwrapper |
| 02:25.05 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 02:25.59 | garou | Thanks, trying. |
| 02:26.23 | abrotman | garou: sure nothing is using libfuse ? |
| 02:27.01 | garou | AFAIK I used it only for my portable HD, which my brothers computer fried yesterday. |
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| 02:27.50 | sier | thanks abrotman |
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| 02:28.56 | jetscreamer | is that the ntfs-3g filesystem unknown? |
| 02:29.06 | jetscreamer | magically? |
| 02:29.14 | jetscreamer | (after an update) |
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| 02:29.38 | garou | jetscreamer: me? |
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| 02:29.52 | techouse | abrotman: it seems sun-java6-plugin is only availible for i386 :( so do i have to compile it from source? |
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| 02:29.58 | jetscreamer | all i know is i did an update today and now i can't mount ntfs-3g via the mount command |
| 02:30.11 | abrotman | techouse: are you using something other than i386 ? |
| 02:30.15 | jetscreamer | ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/mountplace wors though |
| 02:30.19 | jetscreamer | works |
| 02:30.21 | techouse | abrotman: amd64 |
| 02:30.27 | abrotman | techouse: and etch? |
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| 02:30.32 | techouse | lenny |
| 02:30.50 | garou | It's an USB device, but I don't get connect messages (in dmesg) anymore when plugging it in, neither does it work on a mates Windows box. |
| 02:30.51 | villnew | anyone know how to stop NetworkManager altering my /etc/resolv.conf file? It seems to want to clear it all out periodically apart from an entry pointing to my router, and the dns relaying on my router doesn't work >< |
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| 02:31.07 | jetscreamer | man chattr villnew |
| 02:31.10 | jimm | I kinda liked being on amd64 arch... but I went back |
| 02:31.29 | techouse | jimm: it's faster on this amd64 3000+ :D |
| 02:31.29 | jimm | it's nice when the compiler works -all- the time |
| 02:31.37 | villnew | jetscreamer, ah thanks |
| 02:31.41 | jimm | so that's why I went back |
| 02:32.07 | jimm | little things like video card driver and flash don't work well under amd64 |
| 02:32.15 | jetscreamer | villnew: there's probably a better cleaner way to tell netman to not do that, but i dunno how |
| 02:32.47 | techouse | jimm: huh? flash works perfectly with nspluginwrapper; nvidia-glx also |
| 02:33.01 | villnew | jetscreamer, yeah I had a look through what docs there are for netman but there doesn't seem to be much there >< |
| 02:33.13 | villnew | jetscreamer, I'm happy to just block it like that hehe :) |
| 02:33.14 | jimm | I have an amd64x2 and I was running xen |
| 02:33.52 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:33.52 | dpkg | it has been said that ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 02:33.59 | jimm | techouse: it's like how you get tired of trying to get something to work under an iffy situation when you KNOW it works under a more normal one |
| 02:34.03 | jimm | so I went back |
| 02:34.37 | techouse | jimm: yeah, it get though, but if the performance is 10% better, it's worth it :D |
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| 02:34.41 | techouse | imho |
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| 02:35.56 | jimm | it depends, I think. for example say I was to get a new machine, I might run amd64+xen or try some other virtualization stuff |
| 02:36.12 | techouse | abrotman: so? is there any solution? i just managed to get mdl chime working (which was a PITA) and now java don't work; i looked ad the firefox guide and it says i should copy some javablablabla.so to mizilla/plugins, but i didn't find that file :( |
| 02:36.28 | techouse | mozilla/plugins* |
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| 02:37.08 | jimm | but if it doesn't make that much difference for what I'm doing (if it's like using a nuke to kill a rabbit) then 10% is on the chopping block as far as I'm concerned |
| 02:37.17 | sier | abrotman, worked. :) flash+mozilla.. thanks again |
| 02:37.24 | abrotman | techouse: not that i can see ... maybe ask #debian-amd64 on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:37.31 | abrotman | sier: enjoy |
| 02:38.21 | techouse | there is a #debian-amd64 w00t :D |
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| 02:39.32 | garou | Bye. |
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| 02:39.38 | garou | And thanks. |
| 02:39.42 | abrotman | did it work ? |
| 02:39.47 | bolt | How can I make the console turn off my lcd screen instead of just blanking it, like I can set in X with xset dpmi? |
| 02:40.24 | bolt | And how can I select which vty's recieve messages like "eth0: setting full-duplex"? |
| 02:40.29 | garou | Yes, I'm doing a loooooong upgrade ATM. And then I'll go on and check out AIGLX, and if it works, compiz-fusion. |
| 02:40.46 | techouse | great...#debian = 768 ppl, #debian-amd64 = 14 ppl :P |
| 02:40.50 | techouse | not fair! |
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| 02:49.24 | coonlokht | hi |
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| 02:50.05 | coonlokht | need help to install nvidia driver on stable version |
| 02:50.20 | sco50000 | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:50.20 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 02:50.51 | PythonNinja | i think i've set pinning up correctly, i used the guide in the debian wiki, but when i go to install stuff with apt-get -t [unstable or experimental] it tells me that i don't have the dependenceies, i can install them using apt, but shouldn't it sort out dependencies itself? |
| 02:50.54 | coonlokht | fhanks |
| 02:51.16 | akuwamari | i need php can open /dev/ttyS0 |
| 02:51.25 | akuwamari | how can i change permision |
| 02:51.26 | Penix | akuwamari: you're twisted |
| 02:52.00 | Penix | akuwamari: man chmod and ask in #php |
| 02:52.18 | jimm | akuwamari: well first you need to understand permissions... in the process find out the command that changes permissions |
| 02:52.28 | akuwamari | i know |
| 02:52.47 | akuwamari | but i don't know what file i have to change permision |
| 02:52.54 | jimm | (notice I'm -only- giving you things to think about and ways to explore... anything beyond that is what I get paid for) |
| 02:52.57 | Penix | akuwamari: you answered your own question |
| 02:53.35 | cusco | 02:56:16 < Penix> akuwamari: you answered your own question - Indeed! |
| 02:54.08 | jimm | hint: you said a path to a file |
| 02:54.14 | cusco | lol |
| 02:54.39 | akuwamari | hummm |
| 02:54.40 | jimm | if you can't get it, we can go pm, and I'll give you my terms |
| 02:54.40 | Bushmills | "can open", maybe? |
| 02:54.44 | akuwamari | ok, i guest |
| 02:55.00 | coonlokht | dpkg> none of those packages are listed on the data base |
| 02:55.00 | dpkg | okay, coonlokht |
| 02:55.12 | abrotman | dpkg: forget none of those packcages |
| 02:55.12 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'none of those packcages' to forget, abrotman |
| 02:55.15 | abrotman | dpkg: forget none of those packages |
| 02:55.15 | dpkg | i forgot none of those packages, abrotman |
| 02:55.21 | abrotman | coonlokht: dpkg is a bot .. |
| 02:55.39 | coonlokht | ok |
| 02:56.01 | jimm | !bot |
| 02:56.01 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 02:56.11 | coonlokht | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:56.11 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 02:57.24 | akuwamari | ready |
| 02:57.38 | jimm | for? |
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| 02:59.36 | jimm | since amd/ati released info on their chipsets, what is the progress toward a free-software driver? |
| 02:59.53 | jimm | and which chipsets have they released info on? |
| 03:00.38 | Penix | I'm sure there's a crapload of info on the intarweb |
| 03:00.51 | jimm | I mean the way the blerb read, it looked like they were releasing all the stuff |
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| 03:01.29 | jimm | have any of those efforts reached the insides of a debian package? |
| 03:02.03 | eldowan | My mute button doesn't work, but shows [25~ on VT1. How can I map this to a function? |
| 03:02.04 | techouse | how do i install a 32bit package in a 64bit debbie? |
| 03:02.05 | Penix | well, when were the specs/docs released? 6 months to a year ago or something? |
| 03:02.08 | techouse | is there any way? |
| 03:02.15 | jimm | not sure |
| 03:02.26 | jimm | that sounds a bit long |
| 03:02.33 | eldowan | techouse: There is a way, but I don't know it. Ive never used the 64bit installs |
| 03:02.40 | cizzi | how do I cover ips from 192.168.1.100 to 192.168.1.107 ? is this good? 192.168.1.100/24 ? |
| 03:02.55 | techouse | well...i'm gonna try to install the 32bit java rpm :D |
| 03:02.59 | Penix | jimm: that's probably the case. think about your question(s) then |
| 03:03.03 | abrotman | techouse: chroot .. |
| 03:03.05 | eldowan | cizzi: that will cover from 0 - 255 |
| 03:03.13 | abrotman | techouse: have you considered debian might not be for you? |
| 03:03.15 | cizzi | 192.168.1.0/24 then? |
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| 03:03.20 | jimm | someone who knows the answer would help :P |
| 03:03.22 | eldowan | cizzi: the same |
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| 03:03.45 | cizzi | ok so they will cover 192.168.1.0 to 192.168.1.255 ? |
| 03:04.07 | eldowan | cizzi: /24 means *everything* in the last octet |
| 03:04.20 | cizzi | nice.. so the last octet is irrelvent? |
| 03:04.25 | techouse | abrotman: i hate kubuntu, i love apt-get, i can't stand suse (+ it's slow) and mandriva is just for showing off |
| 03:04.47 | jimm | cizzi: you familiar with binary/bitwise arithmetic? |
| 03:04.51 | cizzi | yes |
| 03:04.59 | abrotman | techouse: guess you're fucked |
| 03:05.00 | jimm | ok, good... I have a read for you |
| 03:05.16 | techouse | abrotman: well....some experimenting never hurs :D |
| 03:05.19 | techouse | hurts* |
| 03:05.41 | jimm | http://people.netfilter.org/rusty/unreliable-guides/ |
| 03:06.00 | cizzi | ty |
| 03:06.03 | eldowan | cizzi: look for a cidr calculator. try /29 it will cover from 0-7 |
| 03:06.09 | jimm | cizzi: you can learn all you want from that, look at networking concepts first |
| 03:06.58 | jimm | eldowan: .100 isn't on a 3 bit boundary tho; I think .96 is |
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| 03:07.11 | eldowan | jimm: I was thinking .07, not 107\ |
| 03:07.27 | jimm | oh, like 0 - 7? |
| 03:07.37 | eldowan | jimm: yeah, I misread |
| 03:07.50 | jimm | cizzi: why 100? |
| 03:08.11 | cizzi | thats what I always use |
| 03:08.13 | cizzi | for my internals |
| 03:08.15 | cizzi | never start at 1 |
| 03:08.16 | cizzi | 100 |
| 03:08.18 | jimm | and why break off a chunk like that, especially in the middle |
| 03:08.27 | dondelelcaro | 0jki1 |
| 03:08.33 | jimm | and what do you mean "cover"? |
| 03:08.54 | jimm | howbout 96? |
| 03:09.03 | eldowan | jimm: wow, i misread tweece. he wants 100-107. oops |
| 03:12.11 | Decepticon | how do i check what filesystem /dev/sda1 has |
| 03:12.24 | eldowan | Decepticon: mount |
| 03:12.26 | Penix | Decepticon: 'mount' |
| 03:12.27 | beardy | Decepticon: If it is mounted 'mount'. |
| 03:12.31 | eldowan | mount | grep dsa1 |
| 03:12.32 | Decepticon | its not mounted |
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| 03:12.41 | beardy | Decepticon: Then mount it. |
| 03:12.42 | jimm | so, try file /dev/sda1 |
| 03:13.07 | jimm | it's fun... it might work... |
| 03:13.18 | eldowan | nope, block special |
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| 03:13.42 | simonrvn | file -l |
| 03:14.02 | simonrvn | er, -s |
| 03:14.16 | simonrvn | file -s /dev/hdc1 |
| 03:14.17 | simonrvn | /dev/hdc1: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) (large files) |
| 03:14.39 | jimm | uhoh! needs recovery! |
| 03:14.46 | Decepticon | well it says its ext2, i thought i had made there a a journalling with 'sudo tune2fs -j /dev/sda1' wierd.... |
| 03:14.55 | jimm | a 12-step program for filesystems?! |
| 03:15.18 | beardy | simonrvn: writable, no read permission, how.. good |
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| 03:15.49 | simonrvn | beardy: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 22, 1 2008-01-11 14:45 /dev/hdc1 |
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| 03:16.00 | akuwamari | i have a confussion |
| 03:16.07 | simonrvn | so do i |
| 03:16.09 | jimm | I want one too! |
| 03:16.10 | eldowan | confussion or confession? |
| 03:16.12 | Penix | I shot JR |
| 03:16.13 | akuwamari | tty and ttyS0 is not the same ? |
| 03:16.19 | jimm | nope |
| 03:16.29 | akuwamari | ttyS0 is serial port ? |
| 03:16.33 | akuwamari | right? |
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| 03:16.38 | beardy | akuwamari: Yes. |
| 03:16.43 | simonrvn | akuwamari: not even vaguely the same |
| 03:16.45 | jimm | a specific port too |
| 03:17.01 | beardy | akuwamari: It is the first serial port. COM1, in another world. |
| 03:17.03 | simonrvn | first one S0, S1 second one |
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| 03:17.17 | akuwamari | ok, and tty ? |
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| 03:17.33 | simonrvn | console |
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| 03:17.37 | jimm | he needs the serial howto, and if he's going to hang a getty on it then he needs to understand how init, login and getty interact |
| 03:17.53 | Penix | he's planning to open it as a file with PHP |
| 03:18.04 | akuwamari | or C |
| 03:18.12 | Penix | please do it with C |
| 03:18.24 | akuwamari | i did with Java too |
| 03:18.40 | jimm | why open it at all? what is your goal? what exactly and completely are you trying to accomplish? |
| 03:18.41 | akuwamari | but i think C is the best for control |
| 03:18.47 | jimm | why? |
| 03:18.48 | Penix | so, which file did you tell your java code to open? |
| 03:18.49 | akuwamari | well |
| 03:19.08 | akuwamari | we desing a harware that measure temperature |
| 03:19.24 | akuwamari | i have to save data in DB and show in internet |
| 03:19.28 | kjs | yo |
| 03:19.34 | akuwamari | we are using PIC |
| 03:19.47 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 03:19.48 | jimm | java won't open a local file if it's a java applet from the browser... that would be a security violation that java will not allow (perhaps that's why you're going elsewhere?) |
| 03:19.54 | Penix | and yet you can't figure out basic device nodes and filenames etc., |
| 03:20.12 | beardy | It's Sunday here. |
| 03:20.18 | Penix | I hope to $DEITY that it doesn't involve an applet |
| 03:20.22 | simonrvn | it's the weekend |
| 03:20.34 | beardy | Penix: flash too, surely. |
| 03:20.45 | coonlokht | hi |
| 03:20.51 | Penix | and xml anywhere and everywhere it doesn't make sense |
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| 03:21.12 | Penix | !tell jimm about sunday |
| 03:21.17 | coonlokht | i'm searching the address of the package database including the nvidia-glx-nex version |
| 03:21.21 | coonlokht | new* |
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| 03:21.38 | Penix | hmm. should update that factoid |
| 03:21.44 | beardy | simonrvn: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 1 Jul 24 2007 /dev/hda1 |
| 03:21.44 | jimm | top o' the marnin to ya! here's to a month o' sundays! |
| 03:22.14 | simonrvn | beardy: yup. 'cept mine is "handled" by udev :/ |
| 03:22.31 | bolt | How can I make the console turn off my lcd screen instead of just blanking it, like I can set in X with xset dpmi? |
| 03:22.32 | bolt | And how can I select which vty's recieve messages like "eth0: setting full-duplex"? |
| 03:22.38 | jimm | seriously... if you don't like what happens on sunday in one location... I invite you to notice you are completely free to try another location |
| 03:22.41 | simonrvn | Penix: XML IN TEH KERNAL!!!!111 FUXURS!11!! |
| 03:22.47 | Penix | hehe |
| 03:22.47 | abrotman | bolt: you going to just keep repeating all your questions ? |
| 03:22.53 | beardy | simonrvn: But run as root it worked nicely. My journal needed recovery, thought file(1) though. |
| 03:23.12 | simonrvn | beardy: yeh, i did it as root |
| 03:23.30 | simonrvn | brb, need to get wake-up juice |
| 03:23.39 | bolt | abrotman: what am i supposed to do? i'm googling, looking at irc, googling more, repeating the question in case somebody new came in and wanted to reply, googling... |
| 03:23.51 | beardy | jimm must be new. Stay for the whole day and speak then. |
| 03:23.53 | techouse | abrotman: haha! konqueror has 64bit java :D |
| 03:23.55 | techouse | PARTY! |
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| 03:24.01 | abrotman | bolt: 1) acpi maybe 2) turn off kernel msgs to the console .. you can't choose |
| 03:24.24 | simonrvn | beardy: he is new |
| 03:24.33 | drwahl | lets say i have a folder called foo. inside of /foo i have several other folders that have files in them, we'll say they are all txt files. how would i move all the files from /foo/*/*.txt back one directory, so /foo/*.txt ? |
| 03:24.34 | bolt | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 03:24.42 | coonlokht | i'm searching the address of the database including the nvidia-glx-new package |
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| 03:25.10 | jimm | beardy: actually the comment would apply whether I'm new or not, whether people do things like you're expecting for sunday or not... in all cases, if you don't like what goes on in one location.. you can still try another |
| 03:25.31 | abrotman | jimm: stay for a few sundays .. you'll understand |
| 03:25.37 | Penix | it's not a matter of whether one of us doesn't like what goes on in here on sundays |
| 03:25.42 | jimm | believe me, I understand |
| 03:25.59 | abrotman | you do? |
| 03:26.00 | beardy | drwahl: Directory, directories. After you have said that 10 times, you can move them to ../foo/ if you are standing on the directory with all your *.txt files. |
| 03:26.03 | abrotman | explain a sunday in #debian |
| 03:26.16 | beardy | s/on/in |
| 03:26.27 | jimm | why? it'll only make you want to be elsewhere :) |
| 03:26.31 | liable | its good for the blood pressure, quite relaxing |
| 03:26.51 | Penix | really restores your faith in humans too |
| 03:26.54 | abrotman | jimm: so you don't understand ... |
| 03:27.01 | jimm | I didn't say that |
| 03:27.23 | drwahl | beardy: i guess i'm looking for something a little more automated than cd-ing into the dir and saying: mv ./*.txt ../ |
| 03:27.36 | beardy | drwahl: Eh.. well just do it? |
| 03:27.40 | jimm | if you don't like helping certain people when they pose certain questions.... and just because they generally come on sunday... |
| 03:27.55 | beardy | drwahl: What are you trying to do? |
| 03:27.58 | drwahl | beardy: there are about 200 folders i would have to go into to do it |
| 03:28.00 | jimm | (light going on yet :) |
| 03:28.18 | beardy | drwahl: Then you do as I said, using a for loop, in a shellscript. |
| 03:28.41 | beardy | drwahl: Do this and that, move all that, to the parent directory, for all "these" directories. |
| 03:29.32 | drwahl | beardy: ah, i think i see what you are saying... i just had to process it :) i guess i coulda figured that out myself, but i just needed some one else to say it. thank you! |
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| 03:30.48 | beardy | drwahl: You're welcome :) You can do it in lots of ways of course, for example remove the last directory, using sed or awk, or doing it logically, by using cd. Some people like find(1) a lot too. |
| 03:30.58 | Bushmills | drwahl: you could use find together with -exec |
| 03:31.10 | cizzi | i can receive emails with exim but not send |
| 03:31.15 | cizzi | what should I check? |
| 03:31.47 | drwahl | i think i'm going to use a for loop, since i am most familiar with that, but i guess that awk would do too |
| 03:31.52 | Penix | yourself. before you wreck yourself |
| 03:32.26 | jimm | or you'll become a dreck yourself... and it'll be fun! |
| 03:32.45 | coonlokht | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:32.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 03:32.50 | cizzi | !exim4 |
| 03:32.50 | dpkg | exim4 is probably the default MTA in Debian sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 03:33.07 | Bushmills | drwahl: find *.txt -exec mv {} /your/dir \; |
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| 03:33.36 | Tramp | its \* whith find |
| 03:34.15 | Tramp | and you probably find . -name \*.txt ... |
| 03:34.25 | simonrvn | or '*.txt' |
| 03:34.48 | beardy | Though, what he wanted was /your/dir/../ |
| 03:34.50 | simonrvn | !u |
| 03:34.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 03:36.07 | techouse | lol |
| 03:36.15 | beardy | And.. he would need to check the directory for each of the *.txt, since they are in different directories. |
| 03:36.18 | beardy | !lol |
| 03:36.18 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 03:36.21 | techouse | i didn't know that dpkg could be funny |
| 03:36.30 | abrotman | it wasn't a joke |
| 03:36.49 | techouse | but it sounds funny |
| 03:36.50 | techouse | :D |
| 03:37.00 | jimm | !confuse techouse |
| 03:37.00 | dpkg | No, who is our badger today, techouse? wellies of the republic of swaziland with extra herring |
| 03:37.00 | simonrvn | some people think irc is texting or aol "chat" |
| 03:37.05 | Obligatory | Hi, I haven't a question, but more of a chat topic. Re 'nvidia' cards, are they more difficult to get working in Debian than other distros? I don't need help getting one working, it's working fine, but during a web search I noticed there's a LOT about debian & nvidia, and it got me wondering why... |
| 03:37.15 | techouse | ROFL |
| 03:37.36 | techouse | !help |
| 03:37.43 | simonrvn | Obligatory: because they don't know about the one-liner ;p |
| 03:37.54 | beardy | Obligatory: Because other distro users are illiterate? Save discussions for someplace else. |
| 03:38.19 | Obligatory | beardy, I don't follow. |
| 03:38.23 | techouse | !commands |
| 03:38.23 | dpkg | methinks commands is The Linux command reference may be found here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Command_Reference and here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Shells/Basic_Console_Commands.html |
| 03:38.33 | abrotman | !tell techouse about msg the bot |
| 03:38.44 | simonrvn | techouse: /msg the bot or /join #debian-bots |
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| 03:39.22 | jimm | Obligatory: if you're using a 32 bit kernel (i386,486,686) and i386 arch and compilers, it's easier... with me, it dropped in with no problem (after I moved back to i386 arch) |
| 03:39.32 | techouse | :) |
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| 03:40.12 | Bushmills | it can be a bit of an annoyance with older nvidia cards |
| 03:40.29 | simonrvn | i haven't found such |
| 03:40.30 | Bushmills | GeForce4 |
| 03:40.43 | Obligatory | jimm, yeah, it probably is. More the question is not what makes it easy, but what makes it difficult. Do a Google for Debian and nividia and it's like the nine circles of user hell. |
| 03:40.43 | simonrvn | ah, yeh, maybe |
| 03:40.46 | jimm | it seems like people have different experiences |
| 03:40.55 | simonrvn | tnt2 here |
| 03:41.38 | jimm | Obligatory: perhaps running an amd64 kernel and amd64-compiled apps, maybe also throwing xen in there would make it difficult |
| 03:42.01 | Bushmills | more recent nvidia drivers don't support those old cards anymore, and the legacy driver has problems with an API change in recent X |
| 03:42.15 | jimm | once I built the module after switching back, it failed to crash my machine, and I have dri/drm now, no problem |
| 03:42.32 | simonrvn | Bushmills: that's been fixed for a while, at least in sid |
| 03:42.52 | Bushmills | ah, good to know |
| 03:43.12 | Bushmills | I have an NV18 |
| 03:43.32 | Bushmills | therefore, victim |
| 03:44.18 | ttz | Hi there! Is it possible to print the package dependency graph somehow? |
| 03:44.23 | Obligatory | On Debian it seems various people advocate several conflicting ways of installing it. |
| 03:45.14 | Obligatory | ttz: you mean like all the circles/squares with arrows type graph? |
| 03:46.11 | jimm | ttz: apt-cache has a dotty thing, you feed it to graphviz |
| 03:46.14 | Obligatory | Re nvidia: ...as opposed to somebody coming up with a "one size fits all" nvidia installer. There've been attempts, but nothing has prevailed so far. |
| 03:46.40 | Obligatory | ttz: 'graphviz', what he said. |
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| 03:47.27 | ttz | Obligatory: I'm looking for a text tree actually (I hope there is no need for a graph ;p) |
| 03:47.39 | ttz | jimm: thanks, I'm going to look at it |
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| 03:47.54 | jimm | but the graph is literally what you asked for... oh well |
| 03:48.05 | jimm | there might be a way |
| 03:48.21 | ttz | jimm: sorry, I meant a tree. |
| 03:48.40 | jimm | right, which is almost a graph |
| 03:48.48 | Obligatory | jimm, so what is that dotty thing called, I can't remember. |
| 03:48.53 | jimm | my poin is it's possible |
| 03:48.56 | jimm | dot? |
| 03:49.41 | simonrvn | graphviz... |
| 03:49.59 | jimm | apt-cache dotty <pkgname> |
| 03:50.13 | jimm | that will give the text representation that dotty uses |
| 03:51.07 | Obligatory | ttz, Eureka! you want: apt-get install apt-rdepends |
| 03:51.31 | Obligatory | (which depends on graphviz) |
| 03:51.37 | jimm | apt-rdepends? |
| 03:51.37 | ttz | great! Thanks Obligatory. |
| 03:52.00 | Obligatory | Well, suggests, not depends, but make sure to install the suggests. |
| 03:55.17 | Obligatory | Anyway, there's a lot of nvidia installation utils & howtos out there, and most mention Debian as being thorny. So I'm like, is there something especially evil about nvidia, or does it bring out the evil in Debian, or both? Or is is a deeper kernel related thing... |
| 03:55.49 | jimm | as you know devices are supported by kernels |
| 03:56.03 | Obligatory | jimm, and... |
| 03:56.39 | jimm | so if it's evil debian that is to be cited, might as well be more specific and say evil debian kernel maints :) |
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| 03:57.08 | jimm | but they do a pretty good job, and every kernel package built by anyone includes the .config |
| 03:58.33 | jimm | if there's a module that hasn't been built, and there is source code that is aware of debian's module-assistant, it |
| 03:58.33 | Obligatory | jimm, I'm not grudging, everybody does loads of work, for free. It's more a puzzle of ... efficiency. |
| 03:58.37 | jimm | is pretty easy |
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| 03:59.22 | jimm | the problem comes when a module is not aware, and then the question becomes, "how do you build that module" |
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| 04:00.18 | jimm | or more like, "if everything else for the kernel comes from debian packages, if I build something and install it directly instead of generating a package and installing that, what happens next time I upgrade? |
| 04:00.22 | jimm | " |
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| 04:00.50 | Obligatory | jimm, (I can't keep up with you, sorry... but first point) if you search Google around it shows 'm-a' works great, sometimes... but many users are the exception. |
| 04:01.17 | jimm | exactly my point, especially the last one |
| 04:01.58 | Obligatory | So part of it's the upgrades that gets these users, they install OK, then die on the upgrade. |
| 04:02.36 | jimm | one thing is, debian gives you tools that work if the input for those tools is massaged into something acceptable... if not, then either you're stuck or you have to figure out the tool and potentially do the massaging yourself |
| 04:04.21 | jimm | another thing that makes it hard is that when debian goes thru a new release process, tools change and this could have implications for older stuff (like: if it doesn't get upmassaged, it's not going to work) |
| 04:04.45 | Obligatory | Fragility. |
| 04:04.50 | jimm | to summarize that point, there are frequently version skews that cause things to break |
| 04:05.01 | Obligatory | Crunch. |
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| 04:05.57 | jimm | I'm thinking that there are times when the old tools aren't checked with new source and new tools with old source so that it's found out definitively what doesn't work with what |
| 04:06.18 | Obligatory | I do notice that there's lag time in Debian servers, that they're not always... 'idempotent' isn't quite the word, but it's a similar concept. |
| 04:06.33 | jimm | summary, maintainers could check to see if they should expand the depend version |
| 04:07.01 | Obligatory | Should/could that be automated? |
| 04:07.12 | jimm | hmm, good question |
| 04:08.12 | jimm | I'm pretty sure the answer to "could it be automated" is yes |
| 04:08.34 | Obligatory | "Should" is harder... |
| 04:09.01 | jimm | if it can be shown that it works, then I'd say yes to that as well |
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| 04:09.33 | jimm | but often the problem with users, is they're not willing to go deeper if required to |
| 04:10.21 | jimm | to a degree, I can understand... it could require going in and in and in, only to find you can't make the build work no matter what you try |
| 04:10.26 | Obligatory | Yes users can be foul... |
| 04:10.27 | jimm | and that can get frustrating |
| 04:10.37 | jimm | I didn't say that :P |
| 04:10.47 | Obligatory | I did! (Speaking as a user.) |
| 04:12.28 | jimm | the thing is that when a user experiences that, it's very possible and understandable for them to think "this is too much, too inconsistant" |
| 04:12.33 | Obligatory | "Poke-yoke" is this Japanese term/buzzword for "mistake proofing", I've been reading some guy's site about that recently... |
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| 04:14.10 | Obligatory | Wait, that might be "Poka-yoke"... |
| 04:15.54 | Obligatory | Anyway, whatever the reasons, the great 'nvidia' struggle looks like a classic test for some master of the discipline.. |
| 04:15.56 | jimm | so a dissatisfied user could be said to have a pokaface? |
| 04:16.36 | Obligatory | well maybe a withholding user... |
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| 04:17.09 | jimm | Obligatory: the thing is, there are cases where it works beautifully |
| 04:17.17 | Obligatory | Definitely! |
| 04:18.12 | Obligatory | It's merely the exceptions that I'm pondering. |
| 04:18.16 | jimm | nvidia module builds, debian packaging constructed out of which a debian package is built... having installed that, inserting the module doesn't have the whole system lock up |
| 04:18.41 | jimm | it may or may not be fair to look at the exceptions without enumerating the success cases |
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| 04:19.03 | Obligatory | How might we measure either? |
| 04:19.15 | Obligatory | (BTW, good point!) |
| 04:19.30 | jimm | first off, there is the kernel |
| 04:19.37 | jimm | you install that, it has the nv driver |
| 04:19.54 | Obligatory | 'nv' or 'nvidia'? |
| 04:19.55 | jimm | try that first (you won't get 3d but at least x will work) |
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| 04:20.02 | Obligatory | nv, then. |
| 04:20.20 | Obligatory | Nobody complains about nv. |
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| 04:20.56 | jimm | once you get a working x display, then you can get a binary package of nvidia which might work |
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| 04:21.22 | jimm | if not, that brings us to the exceptional case of having to build the package using m-a |
| 04:21.46 | Obligatory | Maybe there's the first point of failure. User grabs wrong precompiled driver. |
| 04:21.52 | jimm | maybe |
| 04:22.06 | jimm | perhaps for an arch s/he's not running |
| 04:22.22 | Obligatory | It can happen, they get the new one, but are running an old card. |
| 04:22.24 | jimm | or for wrong kernel |
| 04:23.17 | Obligatory | Right, so that's two ways to fail before they install. |
| 04:23.21 | jimm | well on #nvidia they enumerate at least two cases, either new card or old (legacy, geforce2 and before) |
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| 04:24.24 | Obligatory | Debian has three versions: nvidia-kernel, nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx, and nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx. |
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| 04:26.22 | jimm | maybe you measure by having "buckets" for each case, so you'd have each kernel on each card with nv, so that's {#kernels with nv} * {# of different nvidia chipsets} buckets so far |
| 04:26.47 | Davo_Dinkum | where can i get an example of a sources.list file for sid? |
| 04:27.13 | jimm | just replace the thing right after the url with sid or unstable |
| 04:27.14 | appaji | Anybody here running Debian on s390, powerpc, AMD64? |
| 04:27.25 | jimm | I'm running on amd64 |
| 04:27.48 | jimm | and I used to run amd64 arch there, but no longer. |
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| 04:28.02 | appaji | jimm: 64bit mode? Can you please build a package for me? |
| 04:28.02 | Davo_Dinkum | but my sources.list only has the etch cdrom and etch security updates listed. |
| 04:28.42 | appaji | jimm: OK. I wanted arch-amd64 :) |
| 04:28.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell Davo_Dinkum about sources.list |
| 04:28.58 | Obligatory | jimm, I agree, though I'd say 'combinations' instead of buckets, unless 'buckets' has an extra meaning I missed. |
| 04:29.01 | jimm | ahh, no, I'm not there any more |
| 04:29.22 | jimm | well I'm intending to throw success cases into the buckets |
| 04:29.24 | appaji | jimm: NP, thank you :) |
| 04:29.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | which reminds me, i should install Debian no my PPC |
| 04:30.06 | Obligatory | jimm, so buckets of success. What container holds ... non-success? |
| 04:30.22 | jimm | well buckets of reports anyway |
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| 04:30.38 | jimm | then you look at each bucket to see if there's any success at all |
| 04:30.41 | cizzi | cant get exim4 to send email |
| 04:30.43 | cizzi | been tyring for hours now |
| 04:31.02 | cizzi | it receives though |
| 04:31.28 | jokie51 | i have a 1,259 page Sendmail reference manual if you want it :P |
| 04:31.41 | cizzi | no sendmail works |
| 04:31.47 | cizzi | im testing exim4 on anothre system |
| 04:32.12 | cizzi | supposed to be easier and safer |
| 04:32.35 | jokie51 | Security is in the hand of the administrator :P |
| 04:33.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | cizzi, what do the logs tell you about it not sending? |
| 04:33.33 | Obligatory | jimm, I have to vamoose... but thanks very much for the conversation! Gives me stuff to mull over. Bye all... |
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| 04:33.53 | cizzi | Kamping_Kaiser - i had checked in /var/log/exim4 but there's no files |
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| 04:34.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | cipherz, no master.log? |
| 04:34.15 | cizzi | oh wait |
| 04:34.16 | cizzi | now there is |
| 04:34.18 | cizzi | let me read |
| 04:34.38 | Davo_Dinkum | i still dont know what to put in sources.list |
| 04:34.51 | cizzi | Kamping_Kaiser - should I be using smarthost or internet in the config (1st option) |
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| 04:35.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | Davo_Dinkum, whats confusing you? |
| 04:35.05 | jimm | there's a man page that describes the format of the sources.list file |
| 04:35.12 | jimm | surprisingly... |
| 04:35.16 | jimm | man sources.list |
| 04:35.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | cizzi, do you have a real IP, or do you relay through another system? |
| 04:35.31 | Davo_Dinkum | Kamping_Kaiser: mainly that sid has no security updates |
| 04:35.39 | cizzi | Kamping_Kaiser - i have a static ip |
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| 04:36.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | cizzi, i'd recommend smarthost if your ISP supports it, but you can go internet site if you want |
| 04:36.25 | cizzi | i'll use smarthost |
| 04:36.27 | cizzi | let me reconfigure oit |
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| 04:36.39 | cizzi | ok.. system mail name |
| 04:36.46 | cizzi | i wasnt sure with that question either |
| 04:37.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | cizzi, i dont remember the text of that screen. read the description. it should be enough |
| 04:37.14 | cizzi | okay |
| 04:37.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | if its not tell me the one line summary |
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| 04:38.24 | cizzi | ok ... how about this one IP address or host name of the outgoing smarthost: .. im guessing that would by smtp.myisp.com ? |
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| 04:38.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | its whatever you send emiail through using a mail client |
| 04:38.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | my isp uses mail.isp |
| 04:39.02 | cizzi | right |
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| 04:40.24 | cizzi | Kamping_Kaiser - ok in the log file.. i get this routing defer (-51): retry time not reached |
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| 04:40.46 | cizzi | and at the end i got this yf-0002O5-3B == claudio1975@videotron.ca R |
| 04:40.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | cizzi, can you pastebin the top ~5-10 lines of the logfile thanks |
| 04:41.01 | cizzi | R=smarthost defer (-36): host lookup for smtp.videotron.ca did no |
| 04:41.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | sanitise as required of course |
| 04:41.01 | cizzi | t complete (DNS timeout?) |
| 04:41.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | i think thats a fairly clear error :) |
| 04:41.35 | cizzi | oh shit |
| 04:41.39 | cizzi | ive been using the wrong name |
| 04:41.40 | cizzi | damn french |
| 04:41.45 | cizzi | its relais.videotron.ca |
| 04:41.47 | cizzi | eeeeeek |
| 04:41.57 | cizzi | let me re-try |
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| 04:43.19 | cizzi | ok now i get connection refused |
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| 04:44.00 | extor | Where can I find the config file which tells debian what the MAC address of eth0, eth1 etc should be? |
| 04:44.25 | cizzi | Kamping_Kaiser - normally you need your username password to use your isp's smtp? |
| 04:44.27 | jimm | the mac addr is usually hardwired |
| 04:44.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | !z45 |
| 04:44.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | !z25 |
| 04:44.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 04:44.52 | extor | yeah but there is a config file which tells debian if a NIC will be eth0 or eth1 when it boots up |
| 04:44.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | that or interfaces |
| 04:45.03 | extor | ooooh yeah z45 |
| 04:45.07 | extor | I keep forgetting |
| 04:45.16 | extor | what an ODD and unintuitive place to put it though |
| 04:45.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | cizzi, depends how they are set up |
| 04:46.02 | cizzi | i get this R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (111): Connection refus |
| 04:46.02 | cizzi | ed |
| 04:46.02 | cizzi | r |
| 04:46.06 | cizzi | doesnt give me details |
| 04:46.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | cizzi, *pastebin*, dont flood the channel |
| 04:46.37 | cizzi | allright hang on |
| 04:47.22 | cizzi | Kamping_Kaiser - http://debian.pastebin.com/m437c0f0c |
| 04:47.59 | cizzi | relais.videotron.ca is their smpt host |
| 04:49.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | cizzi, i think you have to configure exim config files by hand to do connections with authentication. |
| 04:49.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm going afk for a while though, so good luck |
| 04:49.54 | cizzi | ok thanks |
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| 04:51.20 | baldurk | hi, I'm installing debian from a netinst iso, but I get errors when booting along the lines of "ide-cd: cmd 0x5a timed out" and "hda: lost interrupt", then the boot process hangs. Does anyone have any ideas what might be going wrong? |
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| 04:52.57 | jimm | baldurk: does the machine have a floppy drive and a supported (capable of being put online early in the install process) internet connection? |
| 04:53.36 | baldurk | unfortunately I never expected to need a floppy drive :/ |
| 04:53.57 | baldurk | it does have a internet connection though |
| 04:54.37 | jimm | well of course the problem with floppies these days is getting two out of a box of ten to work |
| 04:54.40 | baldurk | I should mention that hda is the cdrom, which is SATA, and it *seems* to identify the two IDE hard drives fine |
| 04:54.55 | baldurk | yeh, I don't even know if I have any floppies here |
| 04:55.15 | jimm | when you say "it seems to identify" can you define "it" pls |
| 04:55.47 | baldurk | it lists them as hde and hdf, I don't have the full dmesg output on hand but from memory it prints out messages to the effect that it's happy |
| 04:56.20 | baldurk | it does list the correct manufacturer/etc info for the DVD drive and the hard drives, but it seems to trip up on the DVD drive |
| 04:56.34 | baldurk | from googling I tried booting with acpi=noirq, but that didn't have any effect |
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| 04:57.27 | baldurk | I have an old sarge netinst cd which is 2.4 based lying around which does recognise the dvd drive, but it doesn't register the hard drives or the NIC |
| 04:58.26 | jimm | do you have an old pata drive around? |
| 04:58.52 | baldurk | no, I don't have any spare hardware here to swap out, unfortunately |
| 04:59.19 | jimm | had you ever installed debian of any version onto this setup? |
| 04:59.43 | baldurk | not debian. I do have a gentoo install though |
| 04:59.54 | baldurk | currently running 2.6.22-9 I think |
| 04:59.59 | Davo_Dinkum | will this work? http://pastebin.org/18880 |
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| 05:00.51 | jimm | aha... |
| 05:01.13 | jimm | so you have gentoo running |
| 05:01.20 | baldurk | yup |
| 05:01.24 | jimm | and you want to replace it? |
| 05:01.26 | wols | !tell Davo_Dinkum about sources.list |
| 05:01.28 | baldurk | yeh |
| 05:01.35 | baldurk | the install is currently broken and I'm fed up with gentoo anyways |
| 05:01.38 | wols | !debootstrap |
| 05:01.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 05:02.09 | Supaplex | !pi |
| 05:02.09 | dpkg | methinks pi is 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094330572703657595919530921861173819326 |
| 05:02.27 | baldurk | hmm, I was hoping to install directly over the gentoo installation, will that still be possible in a chroot? |
| 05:02.37 | jimm | can you get a small partition to put a small debian onto, using debootstrap? |
| 05:02.46 | jimm | then copy stuff out gradually |
| 05:02.50 | wols | you can also use a normal debian netinst CD |
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| 05:03.41 | baldurk | I have a separate partition for /opt, which I could wipe and install debootstrap on. Then install the system on the other partitions, and then copy /opt back over the debootstrap once the main install is on |
| 05:03.44 | baldurk | that should work, right? |
| 05:03.48 | jimm | thats what he's having problems with |
| 05:04.05 | jimm | what if you: |
| 05:04.10 | jimm | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.23 | jimm | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.47 | jimm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:05.21 | jimm | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.31 | jimm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:06.10 | jimm | start with that much, if you can get that far, the next step would be to get it to boot on its own |
| 05:06.17 | jimm | don't wipe anything else yet |
| 05:06.40 | baldurk | yeh you're right, it would be a bad idea to wipe gentoo and then find the new debian install has the same problem |
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| 05:06.58 | jimm | not only that but you might want to keep your /home |
| 05:07.16 | baldurk | yeh I have /home on a separate partition too |
| 05:07.24 | jimm | oh, very good |
| 05:07.50 | jimm | so getting users going will be pretty easy |
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| 05:08.08 | baldurk | yup. this is just my own desktop, so I've just got myself to sort out |
| 05:08.14 | Fckhead | yo |
| 05:08.23 | jimm | so the first step is get debootstrap going |
| 05:08.45 | baldurk | yeh, that sound like a plan. However it's now 5am so I'm going to do this tomorrow morning |
| 05:08.57 | baldurk | thanks for the help |
| 05:09.04 | jimm | ok, so you have an overview |
| 05:09.37 | baldurk | yeh |
| 05:09.58 | baldurk | ok, good night |
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| 05:17.16 | sdfesf | over ssh, how would one back up / partition? can't use dd since it's mounted, but can't unmount since it's not single user mode? any tricks? |
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| 05:19.10 | kuber | so i got the gstreamer-0.10-fluendo-mp3 package hoping that would allow rhythmbox to decode mp3s, but still a no go. is there some other package I need? |
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| 05:22.04 | cast | hey guys, i'm going to buy my mum a thinkpad, T61, it's on sale - 600AUD off, http://tinyurl.com/3ce293, will end up with debian on at least part of the HD. can anyone spot any flaws/issues in my plan? |
| 05:23.11 | jimm | why does your mum want a thinkpad? |
| 05:23.41 | Davo_Dinkum | thinkwiki.org is a good site for GNU/Linux on thinkpads |
| 05:24.34 | kuber | cast: i have one. the sound support is kinda shitty. |
| 05:24.40 | jimm | one thing, make sure they leave you some unpartitioned space on the drive, and max out the size (160g is the max?) |
| 05:24.54 | kuber | other than that it works great. |
| 05:25.10 | cast | my mum just wants a laptop |
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| 05:26.12 | jimm | ok :) I can't go further with that |
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| 05:26.51 | jimm | note, force-pulling info from someone is what I get paid for |
| 05:27.07 | jimm | if you're interested, msg me and we'll go from there |
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| 05:28.11 | cast | huh. |
| 05:28.12 | Penix | !fruitsmite jimm |
| 05:30.26 | jimm | the point is that I'm not going to try to pull something together without money, after doing it since 1994-5, I'm done |
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| 05:31.29 | jimm | so, use one of the many many other capable people here, or start knowing precisely what you want, or give me money |
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| 05:32.14 | mentor | So, I've recompiled my shared library with debug symbols, verified that the debug symbols are installed when I run the program; gdb should just pick them up automatically, right? |
| 05:32.36 | mentor | cast: mmm, tanks. |
| 05:32.42 | PhrkOnLsh | hi folks, i'm having trouble getting deb to notice my wlan on my laptop. could anyone help me get it up? |
| 05:32.52 | mentor | define 'notice' |
| 05:32.58 | jimm | assuming you've built your app which links against said lib with -g |
| 05:33.08 | PhrkOnLsh | as in ifconfig -a doesnt list it |
| 05:33.12 | jimm | gdb will then have line number info |
| 05:33.33 | mentor | jimm: I just want a backtrace for now |
| 05:33.59 | mentor | jimm: So, the executable has to be built with -g as well? |
| 05:34.07 | jimm | ok, and only in the lib? or have you also built the app that way? |
| 05:34.23 | jimm | see it's kinda iffy |
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| 05:34.31 | mentor | jimm: The app has a separate debug sumbols file |
| 05:34.51 | jimm | if you build this lib, then the lib binary will have an idea of the path to your source |
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| 05:34.52 | jimm | so |
| 05:35.00 | jimm | you have to leave the lib source where it is :) |
| 05:35.26 | mentor | OK, well, the backtrace is not giving me any symbol names at all... |
| 05:35.38 | mentor | oh bother, I've probably not turned optimisation off |
| 05:35.41 | jimm | hmm, that could mean one of two things |
| 05:35.54 | jimm | one, you're not linking to the with-symbol lib |
| 05:35.55 | mentor | jimm: yesh? |
| 05:36.11 | jimm | two, you are, and nothing calls lib functions |
| 05:36.46 | mentor | It is claiming to have stack frames in said lib's address space |
| 05:36.53 | jimm | notice tho, what happens when you turn the opt off... you get an executable that's different from what it would be with it on |
| 05:37.08 | mentor | jimm: Indeed, but I don't think it's that kind of bug |
| 05:37.29 | jimm | ok, so maybe it's linking to a lib of the same purpose/API? |
| 05:37.37 | jimm | that does not have symbols? |
| 05:37.42 | mentor | I'll go double check |
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| 05:38.22 | jimm | also why not try building your app with -g and try again (don't disable the opt for now) |
| 05:40.08 | mentor | jimm: Aha. Wrong library :) |
| 05:41.08 | jimm | there used to be something I don't remember about linking a non -g app with a -g lib... I have this idea that it will pick the non -g lib |
| 05:41.41 | jimm | and before you ask, I do not know what the "it" is :) |
| 05:42.40 | mentor | In the mean time, something odd is goign on |
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| 05:43.20 | PhrkOnLsh | can anyone assist me with this pesky wlan? |
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| 05:43.44 | mentor | no, it isn't I jsust can't type still |
| 05:44.02 | mentor | PhrkOnLsh: Well, have you loaded a driver for your wifi device? |
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| 05:44.52 | PhrkOnLsh | well, shoot, how do i do that? should that not be htandled in booting? |
| 05:45.10 | mentor | PhrkOnLsh: Do you know what kind of device it is? |
| 05:45.38 | PhrkOnLsh | not 100%,its a realtek, imobut as said not 100% |
| 05:46.00 | mentor | What does lspci say? |
| 05:46.17 | mentor | That is, look at the output and see if it identifies your device |
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| 05:47.10 | PhrkOnLsh | realtek semiconductor co, rtl-8185 ieee 802.11abg wlan cantrollr r20 |
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| 05:47.49 | ubd | is there a way to solve cpu overheating problem for laptops |
| 05:47.54 | mentor | PhrkOnLsh: Google for that & Linux and see what comes up |
| 05:48.00 | mentor | ubd: Cool your laptop better? |
| 05:48.07 | mentor | ubd: Have you had your laptop for a while? |
| 05:48.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | PhrkOnLsh: as far as I understand it, there are very different drivers for wifi that are a) probing for more than just one chipset and b) probably (?) incompatible and c) not automatically installed... but I only got my own single wifi card installed, so I might see things incorrectly |
| 05:48.21 | mentor | Aha, Dibbler |
| 05:48.29 | PhrkOnLsh | sounds good, bbiab mentor |
| 05:48.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | want a sausage? |
| 05:48.43 | mentor | not so much, no... |
| 05:48.43 | PhrkOnLsh | ok, thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 05:48.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw, there IS a guy in here with the name of Dibbler and he's not me |
| 05:48.57 | ubd | i have been usin it for a month |
| 05:49.02 | robboplus | hm is it possible to gather a list of all networks for a given country? |
| 05:49.03 | mentor | Presumably he's not CMOTDibbler |
| 05:49.09 | mentor | 'networks'? |
| 05:49.18 | robboplus | ip ranges if you will |
| 05:49.18 | mentor | ubd: HAs it always been overheating? |
| 05:49.20 | ubd | debian overheated, ubuntu overheated its a core2d |
| 05:49.25 | mentor | robboplus: Try GeoIP |
| 05:49.27 | ubd | windows ok |
| 05:49.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | what other dibblers are there? I'd think he is... we just chose two different representations of that character |
| 05:49.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | but he never sais anything, so that's ok :) |
| 05:50.01 | robboplus | mentor i don't need to do ip > country, i need to find all ip ranges belonging to a given country rather |
| 05:50.09 | robboplus | so country > ip |
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| 05:50.46 | robboplus | or hm... |
| 05:50.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ubd: hm, you can install something like powerd which reduces processor speed... that should at least alleviate the problem |
| 05:50.57 | ubd | its alredy installed |
| 05:50.59 | mentor | Cut-Me-Own-Hand-Off, Fair Go, May I never Achieve Enlightenment |
| 05:51.08 | mentor | CutMeOwnThroat: Check wikipedia :) |
| 05:51.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 05:51.21 | mentor | robboplus: It's the same data, queried the opposite way |
| 05:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentor: I know all of those from the primary source, I don't need to |
| 05:51.45 | mentor | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, you did ask |
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| 05:54.00 | mentor | ubd: What brand of laptop do you have? |
| 05:54.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentor: I meant "how many non-discworld dibblers are there" - probably none or nearly none... |
| 05:55.54 | mentor | CutMeOwnThroat: Are you claiming that all the Dibbler's have the same character?! |
| 05:56.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentor: come again? |
| 05:57.00 | mentor | CutMeOwnThroat: You said, "different representation of the same character" |
| 05:57.05 | ubd | mentor hp 2700 |
| 05:57.14 | ubd | dv2000 |
| 05:57.52 | mentor | ubd: What do you mean by 'overheating' BTW? |
| 05:58.42 | ubd | its gets hot and shuts down |
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| 05:58.56 | ubd | while surfin... |
| 05:59.05 | mentor | Is it new? |
| 05:59.08 | ubd | yep |
| 05:59.29 | mentor | And the fans and stuff spin up? |
| 05:59.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentor: two different names for the same character, then... and of course - all pratchett dibblers are different persons, but all are placeholders for a kind of ultimate merchant-scoundrel... that's why they are all so similar |
| 05:59.34 | ubd | yep |
| 06:00.03 | mentor | CutMeOwnThroat: I stand by my claim that Dibbler must not be CMOTDibbler |
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| 06:00.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ubd: do you have the monitoring module installed? |
| 06:00.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ubd: how do you know it's shutting down because of overheating? |
| 06:01.19 | ubd | cuz it becomes extremely hot |
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| 06:01.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ubd: and if you have a deamon installed that reduces CPU speed, did you check if it works? |
| 06:01.58 | ubd | im using vista atm |
| 06:02.03 | ubd | ican switch though |
| 06:02.06 | jimm | what's a dibbler |
| 06:02.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell jimm about Dibbler |
| 06:03.05 | mentor | ubd: I can only suggest that Linux is using more CPU than Windows; I've usually found this to be because X is currently rubbish at using GPUs |
| 06:03.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think that came too late :) |
| 06:03.26 | mentor | ubd: I'd suggest installing some monitoring stuff to throttle back the... |
| 06:03.28 | mentor | meh |
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| 06:03.43 | mentor | nobody loves me |
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| 06:03.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | he'll be back... until his laptop shuts down :) |
| 06:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !hug mentor |
| 06:04.40 | mentor | YES |
| 06:04.45 | mentor | bactrace! |
| 06:04.59 | jimm | you got it workin? |
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| 06:07.03 | mentor | jimm: Yes. Debug symbols for the right librayr helped immensely |
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| 06:10.10 | ubd_ | hi |
| 06:10.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hes back! |
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| 06:11.02 | philth | I am running sid and just updated now I am not able to run virtualbox, I get a undefined symbol: stat64. I have tryed googling this but cannot find anymore information, |
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| 06:11.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ubd_: so do you have lm_sensors installed? |
| 06:11.35 | ubd_ | CutMeOwnThroat: how can i check if cpu freq daemon works_ |
| 06:11.39 | cowboycoder | does anybody know of a way to drive dhcpd configurations from a backend database (postgres or mysql?) |
| 06:12.08 | ubd_ | CutMeOwnThroat: btw i am runnin xubuntu |
| 06:12.15 | mentor | cowboycoder: What do you mean, backend? |
| 06:12.37 | mentor | cowboycoder: There are several System Configuration frameworks |
| 06:12.42 | mentor | cowboycoder: I like lcfg |
| 06:12.53 | ubd_ | i can install debian though but it will take more to come back :D |
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| 06:13.53 | cowboycoder | mentor: I'm looking for a way to setup reservations from a db table |
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| 06:15.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ubd_: cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU[0123]/throttling - and perhaps power or limit(?) - and if you're runnign ubuntu you should really ask #ubuntu, as it's really OT here then |
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| 06:15.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | although, I remember the output of /proc/acpi/processor/*/* being easier to understand when I last looked at it |
| 06:15.59 | debian___ | I need an coder to localize rtorrent. How? |
| 06:16.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I was smarter back then |
| 06:16.03 | cowboycoder | mentor: i'll check out lcfg |
| 06:16.41 | ubd_ | Thermal 1: ok, 56.0 degrees C |
| 06:16.41 | ubd_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | it should show the frequency it's running with somewhere in there |
| 06:19.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, funny |
| 06:19.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just see that throttling on my laptop is not working properly |
| 06:19.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | or so it seems |
| 06:20.02 | jetscreamer | !ssh |
| 06:20.02 | dpkg | ssh is probably Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about <putty>, or for mac clients ask me about <niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about <rsa>, or winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 06:21.13 | debian___ | !rsa |
| 06:21.13 | dpkg | from memory, rsa is a public key encryption algorithm |
| 06:21.33 | jetscreamer | i forget: wtf do i have to do to configure ssh, serverside... ie, what do i need to do on the computer i want to ssh into, other than open up 22 |
| 06:21.36 | debian___ | jetscreamer: What is rsa? Does it make me not have to type my password? |
| 06:21.53 | jetscreamer | keys(i forget which kind) do that |
| 06:22.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetscreamer: nothing... packet scripts should take care... |
| 06:22.23 | jetscreamer | rsa keys i guess |
| 06:22.27 | jetscreamer | ah ok thanks |
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| 06:22.52 | mynullvoid | hi guya |
| 06:22.56 | mynullvoid | hi guys |
| 06:23.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetscreamer: you do need a key to identify the machine, but they should be generated automatically... |
| 06:23.11 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: you should configure /etc/ssh/sshd_config at minimum IMHO |
| 06:23.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, enable X forwarding and switch root login off |
| 06:23.28 | ubd_ | CutMeOwnThroat: i couldnt get sensors work |
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| 06:24.18 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: switch to SSH2-only, and try configuring AllowHosts if possible |
| 06:24.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ubd_: but if that's ubuntu, asking here to fix it is not probable to be so extremely successful |
| 06:24.43 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: sorry, AllowUsers |
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| 06:24.53 | ubd_ | they know nothing there/// |
| 06:24.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ubd_: ah, check /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ |
| 06:25.00 | philth | Is anyone else getting a undefined symbol stat64 when running virtualbox on the latest sid? |
| 06:25.13 | jetscreamer | i'll give that a shot then Xenguy |
| 06:25.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | ubd_: more precisely /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq |
| 06:28.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, weird... according to the frequency in there it's scaled down, according to the /proc entry it didn't work |
| 06:28.58 | jetscreamer | hey you don't need an 80wire cable for 66 do you? or do you... i forget |
| 06:29.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I guess as the one in /sys reacts to changes in cpu usage, it works fine |
| 06:29.03 | mentor | Agggg |
| 06:29.35 | ubd_ | theres nothn like sclae there |
| 06:29.43 | ubd_ | ubuntu is different maybe |
| 06:29.49 | jetscreamer | got the modules loaded? |
| 06:29.50 | mentor | It won't let me debug the application |
| 06:29.53 | mentor | no breakpoints |
| 06:29.54 | jetscreamer | die ubuntu die |
| 06:30.20 | jetscreamer | don't ask us for our brains also, you are already using plagarized software |
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| 06:30.35 | jetscreamer | legally plagarized, but still plagarized |
| 06:30.41 | ubd_ | hey i was using debian ok |
| 06:30.49 | mentor | jetscreamer: bollocks |
| 06:31.00 | jetscreamer | then why did you say ubuntu |
| 06:31.04 | mynullvoid | 'was' ? |
| 06:31.19 | ubd_ | i am using ubuntu for 2 days |
| 06:31.24 | philth | Is anyone else getting a undefined symbol stat64 when running virtualbox on the latest sid? |
| 06:31.34 | jetscreamer | ok. ask in ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 06:31.53 | jetscreamer | mentor: that's just how i see it... |
| 06:32.02 | mynullvoid | !beat $me |
| 06:32.22 | mynullvoid | !spank mynullvoid |
| 06:32.57 | ubd_ | Battery 1: charging, 21%, charging at zero rate - will never fully charge. |
| 06:33.22 | jetscreamer | or it's wrong |
| 06:33.36 | ubd_ | i guess so |
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| 06:34.07 | enouf | jetscreamer: well, er, iirc, you do need an 80wire for udma4 (ata66) .. udma2 (33) you don't |
| 06:34.12 | jetscreamer | hey don't get me wrong, i help people with ubuntu when i can... but i do it in #ubuntu |
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| 06:34.30 | jetscreamer | enouf: thanks.. i found an 80 though |
| 06:34.36 | enouf | cool |
| 06:35.35 | Phusion | hey.. i was wondering if anyone could explain how to go about mounting an ftp site as a drive in etch |
| 06:35.45 | jetscreamer | oh, i do it in ##linux and #nvidia and #bash and ... et al ad infinitum |
| 06:35.52 | enouf | same here (with the *buntu folk), but i do it in ##linux |
| 06:36.00 | enouf | heh |
| 06:36.18 | ubd_ | now im ubuntu folk eh |
| 06:36.55 | jetscreamer | i'm going to go into the democratic convention and start spewing how much i love the war... |
| 06:37.14 | jetscreamer | i'm going to go into harlem and .... |
| 06:37.51 | ubd_ | maybe someone should tell debian to register itself so no other fag osses reproduce from it |
| 06:37.52 | enouf | wear a sign? :-p |
| 06:38.17 | jetscreamer | i thought about that, but samuel jackson probably won't be around |
| 06:38.26 | enouf | hah |
| 06:38.32 | jetscreamer | no i'm going to go into harlem and install ubuntu |
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| 06:39.02 | jetscreamer | actually, that might go over good |
| 06:39.10 | jetscreamer | red hat |
| 06:41.43 | dryrot | none of you will ever get laid again |
| 06:42.14 | enouf | i was just thinking about the silly, but cool overdub they give to the guy in the airport tower (from movie 2, when they air it on tv networks) .. "put down the gun, and give the bag back to b0z0" .. oh wait!, that was from "ruthless people" :-P |
| 06:42.27 | simonrvn | dryrot: afraid you won't? |
| 06:42.49 | jetscreamer | he's hoping there's a second time... |
| 06:42.59 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:43.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're hypothising the 1st time has been more than a hot dream? |
| 06:43.54 | jetscreamer | 'vivid fantasy' |
| 06:43.55 | enouf | but the same actor is in both films, iirc, and he also mentions bozo |
| 06:44.26 | enouf | s/hypothising/hypothesizing/theorizing/g |
| 06:45.39 | jetscreamer | i had to d/l 1.5hrs worth of updates before i can use the c2d to crack the pdf pw... 1 hr to go :/ |
| 06:45.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | more errors than you can shake a stick at? |
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| 06:45.49 | jetscreamer | kid likes wow and win |
| 06:45.55 | debian___ | s/lol/lolz |
| 06:46.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, I'm a) non-native speaker and b) bone tired, so I'm excused for one or another slip |
| 06:46.55 | jetscreamer | 1337 |
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| 06:50.01 | dudeman | hi |
| 06:50.08 | dudeman | what is going on in the world of debian |
| 06:50.11 | simonrvn | hello |
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| 06:50.33 | simonrvn | dunno ask them ;p |
| 06:50.37 | dudeman | heh |
| 06:50.45 | dudeman | who might that be? |
| 06:51.01 | synx | We're all on the same planet. |
| 06:51.08 | dudeman | we are? |
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| 06:51.32 | dudeman | fuck ubuntu |
| 06:51.38 | dudeman | and all its variants too |
| 06:51.57 | jetscreamer | we don't distrobash |
| 06:52.05 | dudeman | yes we do |
| 06:52.05 | jetscreamer | we just be better |
| 06:52.19 | dudeman | jetscreamer: go away |
| 06:52.33 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 06:52.36 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 06:52.41 | jetscreamer | i'll get right on that |
| 06:52.42 | dudeman | no not really |
| 06:52.55 | dudeman | what a tool |
| 06:52.57 | dudeman | ;) |
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| 06:53.39 | Cripps | good day folks |
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| 06:54.23 | simonrvn | feck |
| 06:54.23 | sluggo | wow. |
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| 06:54.35 | Cripps | :/ |
| 06:54.35 | dudeman | man I'm so bored man its not even funny |
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| 06:55.13 | Cripps | i just got the intertubes running on my nintendo ds |
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| 06:55.23 | simonrvn | ok, so it isn't just me |
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| 06:55.29 | dudeman | no |
| 06:55.32 | dudeman | its not just you |
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| 06:55.39 | Cripps | it's pretty freaking sweet |
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| 06:56.20 | simonrvn | i was just trracerouting to some last.fm server farm machine and getting 4 sec ... |
| 06:56.35 | simonrvn | latency |
| 06:56.56 | ubd_ | dudeman - its not just you |
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| 06:57.10 | dudeman | hey dude.. is there a way to make a custom iso image of debian with all the packages you want |
| 06:57.13 | jetscreamer | it's just you, don't believe them |
| 06:57.20 | ubd_ | awesome artist -album title |
| 06:57.22 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 06:57.26 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 06:57.27 | dpkg | 4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 06:57.46 | dudeman | like for example, I'd like to make an etch iso with base system, kde, some other software I use etc. etc. |
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| 06:58.16 | jetscreamer | can't be done, only a god could do it |
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| 06:58.29 | enouf | !custom cd |
| 06:58.29 | dpkg | from memory, custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian | #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/ |
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| 06:58.41 | jetscreamer | nono, all lies |
| 06:58.50 | enouf | heh |
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| 06:59.05 | ubd_ | go for from strach dudeMAN |
| 06:59.14 | hoxu | !live-cd |
| 06:59.14 | dpkg | somebody said live-cd was http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 06:59.31 | ubd_ | scratch |
| 06:59.38 | jetscreamer | !say i lied |
| 06:59.38 | dpkg | i lied |
| 06:59.44 | dudeman | and then no |
| 06:59.47 | dudeman | not a custom kernel image |
| 06:59.47 | dudeman | man |
| 06:59.51 | hoxu | !truth about jetscreamer |
| 06:59.51 | dpkg | jetscreamer is a liar! |
| 06:59.58 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 07:00.34 | jetscreamer | no, i'm highly skilled at alternative language... |
| 07:01.02 | Nyle | smoke time brb |
| 07:01.07 | jetscreamer | figures |
| 07:01.18 | jetscreamer | i didn't look |
| 07:01.24 | Nyle | you can use hd-media installer with a netinst iso? |
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| 07:01.43 | enouf | er, netboot, iirc |
| 07:01.52 | Nyle | no |
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| 07:01.55 | jetscreamer | hw would have to be supported in the kernel |
| 07:02.02 | enouf | no no? |
| 07:02.08 | Nyle | look man |
| 07:02.32 | Nyle | you know how you can download cd 1 iso, and then use the hd-media initrd/kernel to install debian and tell it to use the iso image as a cdrom |
| 07:02.33 | enouf | do you even know what a netinstall iso is? :-P |
| 07:02.36 | Nyle | well.. the same way |
| 07:02.45 | jetscreamer | oh that |
| 07:02.46 | Nyle | can you dl the netinst iso and tell the hd-media to use that |
| 07:02.51 | enouf | oh, well then sure, or use memdisk |
| 07:02.52 | Nyle | or do you have to have a cd1 iamge |
| 07:02.53 | Nyle | ? |
| 07:02.56 | jetscreamer | i thought you mean like hddvd |
| 07:02.59 | Nyle | oh no |
| 07:03.01 | jetscreamer | should work |
| 07:03.05 | Nyle | ok cool |
| 07:03.07 | Nyle | will test it out |
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| 07:03.12 | jetscreamer | but never done it |
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| 07:04.19 | enouf | Nyle: quick PM.. k? |
| 07:04.36 | jetscreamer | kinky! |
| 07:04.44 | hoxu | eww |
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| 07:05.10 | mentor | That's better |
| 07:05.16 | mentor | There's more than 30 people in here now |
| 07:05.16 | enouf | well, you're getting it anyways now |
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| 07:05.32 | jetscreamer | rape! |
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| 07:07.12 | enouf | Nyle: you might even get away with the businesscard.iso .. i forget the specifics though offhand |
| 07:08.11 | Airer-girl | I am confused, how come debian has 700+ people and slackware has only 240+? |
| 07:08.22 | Airer-girl | <-- is a slack user and wants to know why deb is so popular |
| 07:08.27 | sputnick | hi there |
| 07:08.30 | sputnick | anyone knows what is the best way to create multi-profile to booting via grub with debian-likes ? example : 1° start X + wifi; 2° no X, multi users, 3° default with ethernet |
| 07:08.45 | hoxu | Airer-girl, well, maybe debian is easier for admins, and people tend to be lazy... |
| 07:08.48 | jetscreamer | and this is just one channel, the deprecated one, Airer-girl |
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| 07:09.09 | hoxu | jetscreamer, isn't the official smaller though? :p |
| 07:09.21 | jetscreamer | probably... i'm still boycotting it |
| 07:09.37 | hoxu | me too, they don't seem to give user cloaks there... requested one like month ago, never got a reply :P |
| 07:09.38 | Airer-girl | that's incredible, I thought slackware was... better! |
| 07:09.50 | Airer-girl | debian easier for admin? so debian is server oriented? |
| 07:09.59 | jetscreamer | it's all just as good as the admin, right? |
| 07:10.01 | msm | what latest distro from debain cn I use with my old pentium mmx. netinst I was unable to use came up with some hd error 80 issue. |
| 07:10.07 | Airer-girl | ya I am thinking that myself |
| 07:10.31 | debian___ | Airer-girl: Debian rulez |
| 07:10.34 | hoxu | Airer-girl, I dunno, I use it on workstation and laptop as well |
| 07:10.35 | jetscreamer | yes more server oriented, but strong workstation |
| 07:10.44 | Airer-girl | hm...... |
| 07:10.50 | jetscreamer | the defaults are more server oriented |
| 07:11.09 | Airer-girl | D:.................. I will look into it, I just find slackware or even the distro (vectorlinux for example) to be far easier to use |
| 07:11.29 | jetscreamer | what fun is that? |
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| 07:18.52 | synx | I like Debian because of the philosophy... free software and the like, open community, not too centralized. |
| 07:19.06 | synx | It makes for good sensible software. |
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| 07:20.19 | synx | Slackware is just some guy's linux distribution that worked good, so got popular. I don't even know what slackware.com says about the software they use. |
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| 07:23.36 | tarzeau | Nyle: pong |
| 07:23.51 | tarzeau | Nyle: man fbset? |
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| 07:44.42 | jmut | where can I read about recommended way to customer change kernel on debian (sidux). So that it doesn't mess with debian's tricks. I would like to enable toshiba hotkeys etc |
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| 07:46.00 | jim | !sicco |
| 07:46.00 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 07:46.56 | jmut | jim: me? |
| 07:47.13 | simonrvn | sidux is not debian |
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| 07:48.21 | jim | there's a sidux? |
| 07:49.31 | jmut | simonrvn: something tells me it will work for either |
| 07:49.35 | jmut | thanks anyhow |
| 07:50.26 | wols | jim: a mrohis fork |
| 07:50.36 | wols | grah |
| 07:50.38 | wols | mephis |
| 07:50.57 | jim | oh ok |
| 07:52.17 | jim | jmut: the problem is that while the dist you're running might have the same packaging system (even this is somewhat questionable), the packages are likely both different and not maintained by debian... |
| 07:52.46 | jim | with the total result being #debian doesn't know about it |
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| 07:53.46 | jmut | kk |
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| 07:57.34 | Internat | ok so im trying to get a usb IR working.. not really sure where i start.. any suggestions |
| 07:57.48 | Internat | lsusb shows some things but not really anything that i can use to work with |
| 08:00.13 | karrotx | hmm |
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| 08:09.20 | DawnLight | how can i know whether i have a certain font in my system? |
| 08:10.33 | karrotx | is there a way to figure out the ram clockrate inside the os? |
| 08:10.42 | karrotx | maybe /proc/meminfo/ |
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| 08:10.49 | liable | sheesh, why is it so damn hard to install freedos to a usb stick |
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| 08:13.19 | simonrvn | DawnLight: fc-<tab><tab> |
| 08:13.33 | simonrvn | list or something |
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| 08:13.52 | DawnLight | simonrvn: thanks! |
| 08:15.04 | Penix | I like bluetooth |
| 08:15.16 | Penix | I hate Windows CE though |
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| 08:15.58 | yigal | how do I purge a program that is giving apt problems? |
| 08:15.58 | liable | I like turtles |
| 08:16.05 | Penix | turtles are good |
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| 08:16.16 | yigal | what kind of turtles do you like best? |
| 08:16.40 | Penix | turtles? what nonsense |
| 08:16.42 | yigal | s/program/deb |
| 08:16.50 | Penix | yigal: use dpkg perhaps |
| 08:16.51 | liable | tortoises actually, that adopt hippos |
| 08:17.01 | yigal | Penix: yes, but with what parameters? |
| 08:17.02 | valdyn | yigal: what kind of problems? |
| 08:17.30 | valdyn | !paste |
| 08:17.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 08:17.30 | yigal | valdyn: I want to install a texlive package but because of the errors in 2 packages I can't |
| 08:17.35 | Penix | yigal: --purge? |
| 08:17.40 | valdyn | yigal: ^ ^ |
| 08:17.52 | valdyn | yigal: paste the full output of apt-get |
| 08:18.43 | Internat | ok so attempt to. i have a usb IR, that came with a remote that basicly shows up as a keyboard. probably is the keys are screwy and dont do what i want.. any one know if there is an easy way to remap them? |
| 08:18.50 | Internat | by keys i mean the buttons on the remote of course |
| 08:19.22 | valdyn | !keytouch |
| 08:19.23 | dpkg | well, keytouch is a program which allows you to easily configure and define the EXTRA keys on your Multimedia/Internet ready keyboard with absolute ease. Get those keys working now! http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/about.html |
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| 08:20.00 | valdyn | Internat: what do those key do actually? |
| 08:20.06 | valdyn | Internat: what do those keys do actually? |
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| 08:21.36 | yigal | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/PJ6nlD34.html |
| 08:22.05 | jose-1711 | hello all, will there be a patch fixing http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/27704/info anytime soon? |
| 08:22.16 | Internat | that might do what i need to know ill go looking |
| 08:22.37 | valdyn | yigal: whats monad? is that really packages from debian? |
| 08:23.14 | yigal | valdyn: no not really it is from an unofficial repository |
| 08:23.26 | valdyn | yigal: ok, that explains their bad quality |
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| 08:23.35 | h1d | hi. i just set up ldap on my server and is working good for ssh login, but is there a way to only allow a particular group to login? like, if i can specify cn=MyGroup,ou=Group,dc=my,dc=com only to login via ssh? |
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| 08:23.48 | yigal | valdyn: I think, but it was made by a debian dev. I believe not that means anything it is highly experimental |
| 08:23.51 | drcode | hi al |
| 08:23.51 | drcode | ll |
| 08:23.58 | drcode | any one know openkiosk project? |
| 08:24.16 | valdyn | yigal: run: "rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/libghc6-xmonad-contrib-doc.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/libghc6-xmonad-doc.postrm" |
| 08:24.22 | valdyn | yacc: after you removed those 2 files, try again |
| 08:24.32 | yigal | ok |
| 08:24.42 | valdyn | yacc: ops |
| 08:24.58 | drcode | I am looking for users profile limit |
| 08:25.02 | drcode | on one server |
| 08:25.07 | drcode | likt MS terminal servewr |
| 08:25.23 | valdyn | drcode: whats a "users profile limit" ? |
| 08:25.38 | drcode | i mean custume profile |
| 08:25.44 | yigal | valdyn: thank you |
| 08:25.48 | drcode | users autonticate on ldap server and so |
| 08:25.52 | drcode | like kiosk |
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| 08:26.36 | valdyn | drcode: apt-cache show sabayon |
| 08:26.41 | valdyn | drcode: but thats just for gnome |
| 08:26.58 | drcode | sabyon is linux dist? |
| 08:27.23 | valdyn | drcode: "apt-cache show sabayon" is a command to run in your terminal |
| 08:27.32 | drcode | k |
| 08:27.35 | drcode | thanx |
| 08:27.40 | Jygzygyzel | how to burn ur machine |
| 08:27.41 | Jygzygyzel | sudo apt-get install cpuburn crashme fuzz hammerhead spew stress |
| 08:27.57 | drcode | is there somthing like under kde? |
| 08:28.13 | valdyn | drcode: maybe, i wouldnt know about that |
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| 08:28.56 | valdyn | yigal: you may have stale generated files lieing around from those 2 packages now, but nothing to worry about, i would ignore that |
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| 08:30.24 | yigal | valdyn: thank you again, I am warned :) - I am pretty sure I have done worse to my system than this |
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| 08:32.53 | Internat | hmmms dunno if keytouch is quite what i want.. finding it hard to work out what my mouse is |
| 08:32.55 | Internat | err keyboard is |
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| 08:40.35 | debian___ | drcode: What is openkiosk project? |
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| 08:42.12 | debian___ | Is openkiosk for debian? oO |
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| 08:46.53 | drcode | yes |
| 08:47.08 | drcode | I think its more to multi workstation |
| 08:47.23 | drcode | I am looking for 1 server solution |
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| 08:54.06 | yang | I have some nasty issues with lib/modules/2.6.22-3-amd64/kernel/drivers/media/video/usbvideo/quickcam_messenger.ko it wont show my camera - http://openpaste.org/en/5047/ |
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| 08:56.23 | debian___ | How do I know if I have debian 4? |
| 08:56.25 | debian___ | Doh |
| 08:56.31 | debian___ | s/debian/kde |
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| 08:59.56 | msm | what latest distro from debain can I use with my old pentium mmx. netinst I was unable to use came up with some hd error 80 issue. |
| 09:00.07 | yang | debian___: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:00.40 | yang | msm: you can use the latest version. |
| 09:00.49 | yang | dpkg: !tell msm about debian installer |
| 09:00.50 | debian___ | yang: That would tell me if it is kde 4? |
| 09:01.17 | yang | debian___: dpkg -l | grep kde |
| 09:01.54 | msm | yang: I did use it the netinst mimimal debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso. my cd boot says error and goes into windows |
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| 09:02.10 | debian___ | I want kde 4! |
| 09:02.47 | Penix | debian___: why? |
| 09:02.51 | yang | msm: hm, my guess is that you havent put the right iso on CD, always check the iso which you have with MD5SUM file |
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| 09:03.13 | debian___ | Penix: Think it looks good, and is less heavy on the ram! |
| 09:03.19 | yang | debian___: its not so much different than kde 3 |
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| 09:03.58 | Penix | debian___: deal with it yourself then. it's not supported here |
| 09:04.05 | msm | I downloaded and also checked md5sum for http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 09:04.09 | debian___ | yang: Tired of crappy konqueroror, I want dolphine! |
| 09:04.11 | msm | i386 |
| 09:04.43 | yang | msm: have you berned the CD on the same CDrom that you use for booting? |
| 09:04.45 | Penix | if you can't even tell whether you're using 4 or not, you don't need it |
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| 09:05.12 | debian___ | Penix: I dont have dolphin. Therfore it is not 4 |
| 09:05.26 | msm | yes. I have RW and I burned using nero burn iso option |
| 09:05.36 | Penix | debian___: you can have dolphin with 3 |
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| 09:05.48 | debian___ | Penix: As defualt file thing? |
| 09:05.55 | Penix | debian___: yes |
| 09:06.07 | yang | msm: well, in BIOS you should have CDROM as first bootable device, otherwise it will automatically boot hard disk (windows) |
| 09:06.14 | debian___ | How? |
| 09:06.16 | msm | yang: yes |
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| 09:06.21 | yang | other than that if your iso size is correct i dont see a problem |
| 09:06.24 | msm | yang: cdrom, c, a |
| 09:06.26 | Penix | debian___: by installing the 3.x version |
| 09:06.34 | yang | it should boot |
| 09:06.36 | Penix | debian___: which is exactly the same |
| 09:06.36 | debian___ | of what? |
| 09:06.51 | Penix | oh for fuck's sake |
| 09:06.59 | msm | yang: when machine boots in windows I can see cd contents fine |
| 09:07.09 | debian___ | Penix: ? |
| 09:07.20 | Internat | so ive some something retarded in my kde.. the resolution is right, yet everything is HUGE |
| 09:07.36 | debian___ | Internat: Isnt it alwasy hudge in kde? |
| 09:08.02 | Internat | like it looks like windows does when its in 640x480 mode, cept that its definatly in the right size |
| 09:08.09 | msm | yang: when machine tries to boot from cdrom the cd drive light keeps blinking. machine tries to read from cd but then fails |
| 09:09.06 | msm | this is on my old desktop pII MMX 233 Mhz |
| 09:09.39 | debian___ | pII is pentium 2? |
| 09:09.48 | msm | debian___: yes |
| 09:10.06 | yang | msm: and you used the i486 version of debian? |
| 09:10.16 | Internat | an=y ideas? |
| 09:10.18 | msm | yang: i386 |
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| 09:10.29 | msm | yang: there is no i486 link on page |
| 09:10.41 | msm | yang: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 09:10.51 | yang | msm: try to use i386 - CD1 (not netinstall) |
| 09:11.04 | yang | maybe it can make a difference |
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| 09:11.39 | msm | yang: CD1 ? what link ? |
| 09:11.44 | yang | msm: my guess it that nero could break the MD5sum size |
| 09:11.59 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 09:12.07 | jetscreamer | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 09:12.07 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
| 09:12.15 | jetscreamer | just use that |
| 09:12.42 | yang | msm http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r2-i386-CD-1.iso , check size with md5sum after you download http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
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| 09:14.39 | msm | yang: thats huge |
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| 09:14.44 | ManuP | hi. if i print a pdf, the text is totally unsharp, like blured. I am using Evince and i print with cups on an hp1200 laser (s/w). |
| 09:14.57 | ManuP | on the screen the font is super sharp, no problem. |
| 09:15.03 | yang | msm: or use goodbye windows |
| 09:15.52 | xingu | ManuP: what's the odds that evince is rendering to a screen-dpi bitmap then dumping that to the printer |
| 09:16.42 | yang | I have some nasty issues with lib/modules/2.6.22-3-amd64/kernel/drivers/media/video/usbvideo/quickcam_messenger.ko it wont show my camera - http://openpaste.org/en/5047/ |
| 09:17.05 | ManuP | xingu, but earlier i printed pdfs which were super in the quality. |
| 09:17.13 | msm | msm: its as good as download on fly over interent |
| 09:17.18 | ManuP | xingu, can i improve the quality somehow? |
| 09:17.30 | msm | yang: its as good as download over internet |
| 09:17.37 | ManuP | xingu, it is only the text which is crap. lines or graphics are fine. |
| 09:17.47 | xingu | ManuP: nfi, I don't as a rule do dead tree |
| 09:18.17 | xingu | ManuP: does sound like the font is a bitmap font though |
| 09:18.32 | yang | msm: it has all the packages you need + you can use apt-get over internet later |
| 09:18.32 | xingu | ManuP: as opposed to a vector (say type1 or ttf) font |
| 09:18.36 | ManuP | xingu, don't know |
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| 09:19.22 | ManuP | xingu, i cant print with adobes acrobat reader because it is running in 32-bit chroot and has somehow no acces to my printers. |
| 09:19.32 | msm | yang: I dont have that bandwidth |
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| 09:22.25 | simonrvn | ManuP: well yeh, it's chrooted. give it that access, run cups there |
| 09:23.11 | ManuP | simonrvn, you mean, i should start another "cups-session" in the chroot? i assume with /etc/init.d/cups start |
| 09:23.27 | simonrvn | is it started already? |
| 09:23.43 | simonrvn | and it's cupsys |
| 09:23.45 | ManuP | simonrvn, cups? yeah |
| 09:24.02 | simonrvn | hm, so add your printer then :) |
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| 09:24.34 | xaka | why tomcat-6 not included in Debian? |
| 09:24.45 | simonrvn | because |
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| 09:25.10 | simonrvn | xaka: is this new? |
| 09:25.19 | ManuP | simonrvn, (in 64bit) i can print in fact. the printer is added to cups. but if i chroot in 32 bit and start acroread, it finds the printer, but aborts during the process bar which says "printing page 1/1" |
| 09:25.24 | xaka | new and stable |
| 09:25.33 | xaka | when it can be expected? and python-2.5.1 |
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| 09:25.45 | simonrvn | xaka: email the current maintainer for tomcat |
| 09:26.03 | simonrvn | xaka: file bugs then.... RFP |
| 09:26.09 | simonrvn | !rfp |
| 09:26.09 | dpkg | rfp is, like, a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 09:26.18 | xaka | a bit strange politics |
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| 09:26.29 | simonrvn | nothing political about it |
| 09:26.38 | ManuP | simonrvn, acroread says: check if printer is pluged in... |
| 09:26.47 | simonrvn | if you mean policy, well, that's how it's done |
| 09:27.01 | simonrvn | you file a wnpp bug |
| 09:28.40 | simonrvn | ManuP: well, i don't know how you configured your printer, but if it's via ipp it should just work, as it'll make the connection itself AIUI |
| 09:28.55 | ManuP | what is ipp? |
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| 09:29.14 | simonrvn | internet printing protocol |
| 09:29.25 | ManuP | simonrvn, oh, i dont know that. |
| 09:29.28 | simonrvn | sounds like you didn't ;) |
| 09:29.40 | ManuP | simonrvn, do i check in localhost:631? |
| 09:29.50 | simonrvn | as usual |
| 09:30.03 | simonrvn | ManuP: is the printer directly connected? |
| 09:30.16 | ManuP | simonrvn, yes. with usb |
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| 09:30.48 | simonrvn | mm. that should work. maybe you need to set it up in (ugh) acroread |
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| 09:31.38 | ManuP | simonrvn, i can select the printer in (yeah, ugh) acroread's printer-dialog. |
| 09:31.52 | simonrvn | ok |
| 09:32.19 | ManuP | simonrvn, well, ich now did print with acroread in a ps file and let evince print that....font is just fine. |
| 09:32.29 | simonrvn | check the job queue, check the printer. AFAICT that should just go |
| 09:32.30 | ManuP | simonrvn, but it is complicated :( |
| 09:32.37 | simonrvn | ah ok |
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| 09:34.18 | simonrvn | ManuP: whatever works =;) |
| 09:34.27 | simonrvn | hi there |
| 09:34.41 | godling | I'm trying to configure a few things on my laptop but I am having difficulty. |
| 09:34.51 | ManuP | for now it is okay. But i will have to work on it later |
| 09:35.30 | ManuP | thanks simonrvn |
| 09:35.39 | simonrvn | np |
| 09:35.39 | godling | First, I am trying to muck around with my touchpad but even if I enable SHMConfig in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, synclient -l tells me that it is disabled. |
| 09:35.58 | godling | Can I fix this? |
| 09:36.51 | simonrvn | i don't doubt you can, but i don't know what you can do, i don't do lappies for the most part |
| 09:37.17 | godling | ok |
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| 09:37.54 | DarenM | creative nick |
| 09:38.18 | cipherz | godling, might be permissions ? |
| 09:38.19 | godling | DarenM: Creative nick. |
| 09:38.20 | godling | ;P |
| 09:38.28 | DarenM | ;P |
| 09:38.31 | jim | oh, it;s like gosling, a baby goose |
| 09:38.54 | ManuP | godling, check if you need to load some kernelmodules. like psmouse. i need on my notebook to load it. do it with modprobe psmouse (as user root) |
| 09:38.56 | godling | jim: Actually it's not pronounced the way you think it looks. |
| 09:39.41 | godling | ManuP: psmouse is loaded |
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| 09:39.54 | jim | it's ok, I'll just go ahead and be wrong about that... |
| 09:41.04 | IRC | hello i m pretty new on debian, i am having a problem to login as a root user with correct password i got this info "setgid: Operation not permitted", and i couldn't login to root, so i like to thanx you, who help me for this |
| 09:41.12 | godling | jim: I think DarenM was talking about IRC's nickname, anyways. ;P |
| 09:41.21 | DarenM | yea |
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| 09:41.39 | valdyn | IRC: what did you do to mess up root login? |
| 09:41.58 | ManuP | godling, just an idea... but i am new to linux too, so i have less knowledge |
| 09:42.26 | IRC | as i know, i didn't do anything previously |
| 09:42.28 | DarenM | godling> did u restart x? |
| 09:43.14 | ManuP | Isn't there a setting which disallows root-login in x-sessinos? I mean which disallows root-login in gdm? |
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| 09:43.17 | godling | DarenM: when? |
| 09:43.27 | godling | DarenM: I've done so several times already. |
| 09:43.41 | godling | I was mucking about with it at SCaLE today with no luck. |
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| 09:43.50 | valdyn | IRC: try ctrl-alt-f1 and a root login there, logging into X as root isnt ok |
| 09:43.55 | yang | I have some nasty issues with lib/modules/2.6.22-3-amd64/kernel/drivers/media/video/usbvideo/quickcam_messenger.ko it wont show my camera - http://openpaste.org/en/5061/ |
| 09:44.00 | DarenM | godling> oh ok' |
| 09:44.35 | jim | so if you want to know more about how unix perms work and how to specify them, install coreutils-doc (should be in non-free), then type into your shell "info coreutils", there should be a menu item "File Permissions" |
| 09:45.02 | ManuP | valdyn, you should have told IRC how to switch back to X.. otherwise he might not find |
| 09:45.14 | valdyn | ManuP: probably |
| 09:45.18 | ManuP | ^^ |
| 09:45.36 | jim | that will tell you what they are, how they work, how they affect dirs differently from files, and finally how to specify them |
| 09:45.44 | valdyn | i dont really think his error has a thing to do with X though, the error message isnt like that |
| 09:45.57 | godling | SCaLE was pretty neat. I got a Debian t-shirt. |
| 09:46.01 | IRC | Hello Valdyn> it say "Incorrect Login" |
| 09:46.28 | DarenM | godling> i want one :( where was this? |
| 09:46.30 | bkw | I use thunderbird as default email client at work. When I ssh to my workstation I've problems forwarding heavy X applications over the network. Are there any recommended light weight console based (imap) clients I should look at? |
| 09:46.30 | valdyn | IRC: just "valdyn:", which my irc client will highlight so i know im the target. |
| 09:46.44 | jim | you read that (if you want to) and I'll go get some mexi food :) |
| 09:46.47 | godling | DarenM: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org |
| 09:46.49 | IRC | thanx |
| 09:47.02 | godling | DarenM: It's still going on, I think they will be there tomorrow too. |
| 09:47.03 | valdyn | IRC: so you gave the wrong password |
| 09:47.07 | MotorCityMadMan | hello, ubuntu is debian based ? currect |
| 09:47.19 | valdyn | IRC: or are you using ubuntu? |
| 09:47.25 | IRC | valdyn: i try with correct password |
| 09:47.30 | valdyn | IRC: ..which doesnt permit root login at all |
| 09:47.31 | jim | MotorCityMadMan: yes, and so here doesn't handle ubuntu questions |
| 09:47.41 | valdyn | IRC: no its not correct. |
| 09:47.45 | IRC | valdyn: Debian |
| 09:47.59 | valdyn | !ifrp |
| 09:48.00 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 09:48.01 | valdyn | !ifrpw |
| 09:48.06 | godling | cipherz: I tried changing permissions on /dev/input/* and it didn't help |
| 09:48.17 | godling | fyi |
| 09:48.19 | MotorCityMadMan | jim: did'nt ask a ubuntu based question |
| 09:48.23 | godling | cipherz: good idea though |
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| 09:48.28 | DarenM | godling> you lucky fucker i bet that was awesome. =) |
| 09:48.31 | xushi | if i resize a raid1 array from 300G to the max (500G), after it resyncs, do i have to also resize the file system (ext3) ? Or does it sort it out by itself / |
| 09:48.33 | ManuP | MotorCityMadMan, yeah, it's right |
| 09:48.37 | godling | DarenM: It was pretty fun. |
| 09:48.46 | valdyn | IRC: see what dpkg said. |
| 09:48.54 | jim | MotorCityMadMan: np... true so far :) what are you interested in? |
| 09:48.59 | godling | DarenM: Some of the presentations were like big commercials for whatever products, but some of them were pretty neat. |
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| 09:49.04 | IRC | valdyn: how to do that |
| 09:49.16 | IRC | okey |
| 09:49.29 | DarenM | godling> cool. did you get anything else besides the t? |
| 09:49.37 | valdyn | IRC: that factoid is a little short, let me know which steps exactly you dont understand |
| 09:49.41 | MotorCityMadMan | jim: i'm trying to sort out what debian or debian based system |
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| 09:49.54 | MotorCityMadMan | to use |
| 09:49.57 | IRC | dpkg: how to goto lilo boot prompt |
| 09:50.07 | DarenM | :) |
| 09:50.09 | valdyn | IRC: you have GRUB |
| 09:50.18 | valdyn | IRC: most likely anyway, so read the complete factoid |
| 09:50.18 | IRC | yes |
| 09:50.33 | jim | MotorCityMadMan: debian-based usually means "uses some form/version of the debian packaging system, but the content of the packages may or may not be debian" |
| 09:51.04 | Penix | ask dpkg about 'based on' |
| 09:51.12 | Penix | in private |
| 09:51.36 | jim | yeah, except that one is unnecessarily harsh given you haven't actually asked a ubuntu q |
| 09:51.41 | valdyn | xushi: you have to resize the fs too |
| 09:51.55 | Penix | it's not harsh at all |
| 09:52.00 | MotorCityMadMan | jim: do you have a link for a dvd.iso debian o/s only |
| 09:52.00 | xushi | is there a safe way to resize ext3 to take the max possible,? |
| 09:52.15 | xushi | valdyn: or will i lose the data ? |
| 09:52.22 | valdyn | xushi: no |
| 09:52.25 | Penix | MotorCityMadMan: find one at debian.org |
| 09:52.27 | jim | well they can be found at debian.org |
| 09:52.34 | valdyn | xushi: ext3 supports online growing |
| 09:52.35 | MotorCityMadMan | thank you |
| 09:52.44 | MotorCityMadMan | very helpful |
| 09:52.51 | xushi | valdyn: excellent. I wouldn't suppose you would have the command at hand do you? :) |
| 09:52.54 | simonrvn | supports resize even |
| 09:53.19 | valdyn | xushi: i dont |
| 09:53.23 | jim | you can get a full dvd fulla crap or you can get a netinst which only has (1) the installer and (2) the minimum possible debian |
| 09:53.49 | jim | after installing, you can get anything you want after that from the net |
| 09:54.28 | xushi | do i have to unmount first ? |
| 09:54.45 | Penix | xushi: <valdyn> xushi: ext3 supports online growing |
| 09:55.00 | xushi | oh, so that's what online growing means. Thanks! |
| 09:55.00 | MotorCityMadMan | will the amd64 image work for intel as well ? |
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| 09:55.08 | simonrvn | which translates to no need to unmount |
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| 09:55.13 | Penix | MotorCityMadMan: 64bit Intel, yes |
| 09:55.14 | xushi | resize2fs /dev/md4 seems to be doing it |
| 09:55.23 | jim | intel core duo/uno/fouro |
| 09:55.24 | simonrvn | however i'd remount as ro, but that's me |
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| 09:55.31 | jim | quado? |
| 09:55.38 | simonrvn | quadro |
| 09:55.42 | xushi | brb, going to reboot |
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| 09:56.17 | Penix | heh. 'Intel Core Uno' would've been cool |
| 09:57.08 | simonrvn | they exist. just duos with one proc disabled |
| 09:57.21 | MotorCityMadMan | three dvd.iso images, i wood need all for install ? or wood dvd-1.iso will get it started ? |
| 09:57.35 | Nyle | man |
| 09:57.37 | simonrvn | #1 for install |
| 09:57.38 | Nyle | this is weird |
| 09:57.50 | Penix | MotorCityMadMan: just get CD 1 |
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| 09:58.09 | Penix | MotorCityMadMan: or netinst as suggested |
| 09:58.13 | entaro | err. is there a way to remap backspace to function as backspace? it works as delete at the moment |
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| 09:58.39 | Nyle | Im' trying to boot this 256mb usb flash stick, I've tried all options on my motherboard, which is a Gigabyte 965p s3 and it won't boot |
| 09:58.46 | MotorCityMadMan | Penix: thank you for your help and others |
| 09:59.02 | Penix | Nyle: are you sure the board even supports usb booting? |
| 09:59.04 | Nyle | bios has 4 options, usb hdd, usb floppy, usb this and usb that, and I've used all 4 and i still can't boot this usb disk |
| 09:59.15 | Nyle | Penix: yes, positive |
| 09:59.34 | valdyn | Nyle: your stick needs to support it too |
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| 09:59.46 | Nyle | valdyn: oh, how do i find out if it does or not? |
| 10:00.11 | valdyn | Nyle: if it has some weird partition(s) on it that you cant change then it probably doesnt |
| 10:00.45 | Nyle | valdyn: hmm |
| 10:00.52 | jim | MotorCityMadMan: do you have a fast internet connection? if so, consider the netinst |
| 10:01.02 | valdyn | Nyle: i dont know much about this, i just have one stick with a partitiojn layout that i cant change and one partition with the vendor software on it |
| 10:01.41 | jim | pulls all the little pieces of the installer from the cd, asks you stuff, then installs the minimum from the cd, |
| 10:01.57 | debian___ | Nyle: If im installing debian on a system with 450users, how would I manage them and theire home folders? |
| 10:02.03 | MotorCityMadMan | jim: 3MB down 512k up |
| 10:02.19 | valdyn | debian___: if you have to ask this, get someone else to do that job, or help you with it |
| 10:02.32 | MotorCityMadMan | to far from hub for the 6MB |
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| 10:02.43 | IRC | dpkg: i m not getting "For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot.", it means i need to press 'e' while booting my machine? & where(in which file) to add "init=/bin/sh"? could u help me plez |
| 10:02.47 | jim | then you definitely don't need a cd full of stuff that's going to get old from the moment you burn it |
| 10:02.47 | debian___ | valdyn: Just point me in the rigth direction! |
| 10:02.52 | simonrvn | dpkg is a bot |
| 10:03.02 | debian___ | simonrvn: What a supprise! |
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| 10:03.14 | debian___ | IRC: lol |
| 10:03.31 | Nyle | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/48842 == fdisk -l regarding /dev/sdc (usb flash) what I did was follow the install guide per usb booting, I zcat the boot image from hd-media and copied the netinst iso to it |
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| 10:03.37 | valdyn | IRC: when you boot up your debian system you get to see a blue textmode screen first, where you could pick kernel / rescue mode etc |
| 10:03.40 | simonrvn | debian___: i wasn't talking to you |
| 10:03.43 | valdyn | IRC: there you just hit the E key |
| 10:03.57 | jim | IRC: do you have two machines |
| 10:04.14 | IRC | no, only one |
| 10:04.22 | Nyle | valdyn: lsusb reports this ... Bus 001 Device 002: ID 08ec:0016 M-Systems Flash Disk Pioneers |
| 10:04.22 | debian___ | simonrvn: Sorry, if I'm installing debian on an system with ~450 users, what software do i need to manage them from an server? |
| 10:04.43 | valdyn | IRC: and only one of those lines you get to see there starts with "kernel", thats the right line to aadd init=/bin/sh at |
| 10:04.52 | jim | the system has 450 users NOW?? |
| 10:05.04 | valdyn | IRC: ( you get to see those several lines after you hit E the first time ) |
| 10:05.06 | debian___ | jim: It will have monday! |
| 10:05.15 | IRC | ok |
| 10:05.19 | jim | does it replace another? |
| 10:05.24 | debian___ | Yes |
| 10:05.35 | jim | why are you considering this? |
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| 10:05.58 | jim | actually I can't have this conversation at this moment... |
| 10:06.07 | jim | here's my suggestion: keep both up |
| 10:06.19 | jim | have this other machine on a different IP |
| 10:06.30 | debian___ | I convinced the board that debian is better than windows, so I'm changing this weekend. I have to be done for tomorrow! |
| 10:06.40 | valdyn | debian___: thats silly |
| 10:06.44 | valdyn | debian___: seriously |
| 10:06.45 | debian___ | Why? |
| 10:06.48 | jim | oh great. |
| 10:06.55 | valdyn | debian___: you dont learn to do this properly in a weekend |
| 10:07.01 | debian___ | Not? |
| 10:07.04 | valdyn | debian___: not for windows, not for debian |
| 10:07.07 | jim | like I said, keep both until you get the other set up. |
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| 10:07.25 | debian___ | But I'll have 450 people exspecting a brand new system! |
| 10:07.34 | Nyle | valdyn: any ideas |
| 10:07.38 | jim | if you don't do that, somewhere along the line (or much more likely LOTS of somewheres), you'll be sorry |
| 10:07.39 | valdyn | debian___: a system doing which service? |
| 10:07.41 | valdyn | Nyle: no idea |
| 10:07.47 | MotorCityMadMan | jim: the mini.iso for a usb stick yr saying |
| 10:08.00 | jim | or the netinst |
| 10:08.09 | debian___ | Mostly writing text, surfing, an general office enviroment. |
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| 10:08.17 | jim | maybe that would work, never tried it |
| 10:08.20 | valdyn | debian___: umm? |
| 10:08.34 | valdyn | i cant believe this |
| 10:08.36 | jim | debian___: there is A LOT to learn |
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| 10:08.47 | jim | about 2-3 -semesters- worth |
| 10:08.48 | debian___ | I cant just apt get something? |
| 10:08.52 | jim | be careful. |
| 10:08.58 | valdyn | debian___: the windows box is an exchange server? |
| 10:09.17 | jim | unless you have a few years experience... -hold off- |
| 10:09.24 | debian___ | Many boxes, som windows 2003 server, and hundreds of workstations. |
| 10:09.33 | jim | ok, food awaits. |
| 10:09.34 | debian___ | s/som/some |
| 10:09.55 | valdyn | debian___: i didnt ask for that, i asked which service that linux box will be supposed to do |
| 10:09.56 | MotorCityMadMan | jim: will i be able to resize my hdd with this method ? |
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| 10:10.36 | debian___ | valdyn: It will be several linux boxes, I need probably a few centralized servers to contain home folders and user data- |
| 10:10.41 | simonrvn | that's just brain dead, to be frank |
| 10:11.06 | simonrvn | i'm sure glad i put you on ignore |
| 10:11.20 | debian___ | Put me on ignore? |
| 10:11.22 | debian___ | Why? |
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| 10:12.10 | valdyn | debian___: your only way to really do this is to call ibm to send a few people over, each probably costing a few 100$/hour |
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| 10:12.22 | valdyn | debian___: or hold off till you know what you are doing |
| 10:12.24 | debian___ | valdyn: No way |
| 10:12.40 | debian___ | I just need to be sent into the right direction... |
| 10:12.58 | valdyn | debian___: you dont even know yourself what you want to do exactly, let alone you telling us |
| 10:13.01 | debian___ | Setup an pxe boot, install them. And voila, everything works. |
| 10:13.24 | debian___ | Exsept the server part, what is it called? |
| 10:13.37 | loxley_ | debian___: good luck and start looking for a new job.... |
| 10:14.09 | debian___ | Cant you give me a name of an package? |
| 10:14.25 | valdyn | debian___: a package to do WHAT? |
| 10:14.30 | loxley_ | debian___: you should know what you want, and how to implement it |
| 10:15.16 | debian___ | I want it to host the home, and user files. So that they can swap workstations, adn so they have backups. |
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| 10:15.30 | valdyn | debian___: samba |
| 10:16.07 | debian___ | Isnt that from between windows and linux, not for linux too linux? |
| 10:16.22 | valdyn | debian___: oh you are going to replace the workstations too? |
| 10:16.28 | debian___ | of course |
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| 10:16.36 | valdyn | debian___: few minutes ago it was " a server " |
| 10:17.17 | IRC | valdyn: how to do these steps " 2)'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work);" |
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| 10:17.21 | debian___ | valdyn: That is the difficult part, because I dont know what software I need for it. As soon as I get that I can fix the rest. |
| 10:17.38 | valdyn | IRC: skip the fsck, the 3rd step is the literal command you need to run |
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| 10:18.05 | valdyn | IRC: same for the 4th and 5th and 6th |
| 10:18.08 | IRC | valdy: how to do 3rd stem |
| 10:18.17 | valdyn | debian___: i doubt that |
| 10:18.40 | valdyn | debian___: but the standard way to serve files to unixish clients is nfs "apt-cache search nfs server" |
| 10:18.48 | IRC | valdyn: can i do it from normal termina after login? |
| 10:19.04 | valdyn | IRC: no, you need to follow what dpkg said step by step |
| 10:19.17 | Nyle | according to the install guide, where can I find this file? syslinux.cfg |
| 10:19.27 | debian___ | Look at this: Considering how powerful NFS is and the flexibility it gives you it is amazingly simple to set u |
| 10:19.38 | valdyn | IRC: once you edited the line in GRUB you get to a command prompt directly, without logging in |
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| 10:19.52 | dimir | Morning! |
| 10:19.53 | ericrw | hello |
| 10:20.01 | ericrw | I never even got to sleep :( |
| 10:20.12 | ericrw | I was just tucking in when the phone calls started coming in.. |
| 10:20.29 | IRC | valdyn:simultaniously? i couldn't get that? |
| 10:20.50 | valdyn | debian___: i fail to see how you would want to just do it "simple", when you dont know debian basics like apt-cache search |
| 10:21.02 | valdyn | IRC: no, i said "step by step" |
| 10:21.13 | debian___ | So the way I understand this, I just mount the files /home and /usr to the nfs server and I'm done! |
| 10:21.51 | IRC | valdyn: i m going to try it |
| 10:22.34 | Badger | hm |
| 10:22.54 | Badger | is there any way for me to get gcc 4.1 without apt-get removing 4.2 and compiling 4.1? |
| 10:23.05 | Badger | assuming I can use apt to remove it. |
| 10:23.12 | valdyn | Badger: apttiude install gcc-4.1 |
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| 10:23.28 | legendi | re |
| 10:23.50 | Badger | valdyn: that'll leave 4.2 still around though, won't it/ |
| 10:23.51 | legendi | how should I make a cron-ed script to log? |
| 10:23.52 | Badger | ? |
| 10:23.59 | valdyn | Badger: sure |
| 10:24.21 | Badger | and something that's looking for 4.1 will be able to use it without removing 4.2? |
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| 10:24.43 | legendi | currently I do this: "30 * * * * /path/myscript.sh >> /log.txt 2>&1" |
| 10:25.05 | valdyn | legendi: and? what's wrong with that? |
| 10:25.22 | Badger | thank you. |
| 10:25.23 | debian___ | Is it true I should use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 10:25.27 | cast | yes. |
| 10:25.29 | legendi | but I fear I'll forget to clean the log periodically, and it could eat up unnecessary disk space |
| 10:25.34 | legendi | how do you do this? |
| 10:25.46 | valdyn | !logrotate |
| 10:25.46 | dpkg | logrotate is probably a log rotation program that sings |
| 10:26.06 | debian___ | Can I rename aptitude apt-get , and rename apt-get aptitude? |
| 10:26.10 | legendi | great! thx! going to check it immediatelly! |
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| 10:32.15 | the_sniff | can anyone please tell me what are file sockets good for? |
| 10:32.57 | linuxfreck | the_sniff: communication between local processes |
| 10:33.31 | the_sniff | yeah, but why shouldn't they just use TCP |
| 10:34.04 | linuxfreck | the_sniff: unix sockets are older, less overhead, and you don't have to mess with ports and ip addresses |
| 10:34.46 | Badger | valdyn: on rerplacing 4.2 with 4.1 it tells me I no longer have a cc |
| 10:35.42 | the_sniff | linuxfreck how is it less overhead? |
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| 10:36.56 | linuxfreck | the_sniff: the kernel doesn't have to wrap around tcp and ip headers, manage ACK packets, calculate checksums, store packets until they're ack'ed, and so on |
| 10:37.22 | the_sniff | hmm |
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| 10:38.12 | valdyn | Badger: right |
| 10:38.24 | valdyn | Badger: only the default gcc gets /usr/bin/gcc |
| 10:38.37 | valdyn | Badger: use dpkg-divert to place your own symlink |
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| 10:39.08 | valdyn | Badger: or make on in /usr/local/bin/ |
| 10:39.11 | valdyn | Badger: or make one in /usr/local/bin/ |
| 10:40.12 | Badger | hm, not used that before |
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| 10:49.12 | solidnail | die debian die |
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| 10:53.29 | IRC | dbkg: i followed you instructions & after rebooting, still same "setgid: Operation not permitted" appears while trying to login as root |
| 10:53.49 | valdyn | IRC: ctrl-alt-f1, try there |
| 10:54.06 | valdyn | IRC: you cant log into X as root, thats OK |
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| 10:55.05 | IRC | valdyn: on that case what u r telling, i could able to login as root |
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| 10:56.26 | IRC | valdyn: and also while doing login, after enter username & password, it alert with this type of message " User's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. These prevents the default session & languge from being same. File should be owned by user & have 644 permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user & not writable by other users.", but previously such type alert wasn't happened |
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| 10:57.12 | valdyn | IRC: how did you change permissions on your home directory? |
| 10:57.21 | Cr3ature | is it possible to copy the logs to another system= |
| 10:57.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | IRC, log in as your user and run `ls -lh ~/.dmrc` and tell us the perms |
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| 10:57.32 | Cr3ature | so that logrotate won't fuck thins up? |
| 10:57.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | Cr3ature, A yes, B fuck thigns up how? |
| 10:57.54 | Cr3ature | i don't know |
| 10:58.03 | IRC | i don't about it, i just face the problem today after i left my mechine yesterday without doing such thing |
| 10:58.10 | Cr3ature | so Kamping_Kaiser you just copy them to your new box? |
| 10:58.14 | Cr3ature | the old logs |
| 10:58.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | Cr3ature, sure. |
| 10:58.28 | Cr3ature | and the daemons won't overwrite them? |
| 10:58.48 | IRC | -rwxrwxrwx 1 rc rc 24 2008-01-10 15:09 /home/rc/.dmrc |
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| 10:59.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | IRC, thats set 666, not 644 |
| 10:59.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | Cr3ature, they may overwrite/append |
| 10:59.23 | IRC | how to do that |
| 10:59.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | if you put them in /var/log. |
| 10:59.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | IRC, chmod 644 ~/.dmrc |
| 10:59.33 | Cr3ature | well how to make it work then |
| 10:59.35 | Cr3ature | see i knew it |
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| 10:59.44 | Cr3ature | they are gonna get fucked up |
| 11:00.00 | Cr3ature | its not as easy as: scp --recursive old@box:/var/log new@box:/var/log |
| 11:00.10 | Cr3ature | you cannot just copy the old logs to new machine |
| 11:00.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | why dont you want the logs overwritten? |
| 11:00.18 | IRC | Kamp, i did that |
| 11:00.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | you can always put them in your home... |
| 11:00.23 | Cr3ature | cause they are logs |
| 11:00.30 | Cr3ature | ic |
| 11:00.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | Cr3ature, so configure logrotoate to keep the last 10,000 rotations or something |
| 11:00.39 | IRC | i don't about anything, i just faced the problem today |
| 11:00.51 | valdyn | IRC: paste the output of "ls -ld /home/rc" |
| 11:01.02 | Cr3ature | Kamping_Kaiser: well yea but what will the newly intalled logrotate think when it has all the old logs |
| 11:01.06 | IRC | that .dmrc |
| 11:01.10 | IRC | ? |
| 11:01.13 | Cr3ature | will it see them |
| 11:01.16 | Cr3ature | and continue |
| 11:01.21 | Cr3ature | or will it start overwriting them |
| 11:01.30 | Cr3ature | starting from the first |
| 11:01.55 | IRC | -rwxrwxrwx 1 rc rc 24 2008-01-10 15:09 /home/rc/.dmrc |
| 11:02.08 | Badgerer | valdyn: not sure how I'd use dpkg-divert |
| 11:02.17 | valdyn | Badgerer: read the manpage |
| 11:02.27 | Badgerer | I tried. |
| 11:02.36 | Badgerer | It's rather confusing. :P |
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| 11:02.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | Cr3ature, logrotate doesnt overwrite logs. it only deletes old ones (per its configuration) |
| 11:03.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | it doesnt care where hte logs are from, just what their called |
| 11:03.08 | Cr3ature | no it packs them |
| 11:03.15 | IRC | Kamping_Kaiser: -rwxrwxrwx 1 rc rc 24 2008-01-10 15:09 /home/rc/.dmrc |
| 11:03.22 | valdyn | Badgerer: look at the examples |
| 11:03.28 | Cr3ature | messages.log.10.gz |
| 11:03.32 | Cr3ature | thats what it does |
| 11:03.35 | valdyn | IRC: paste the output of "ls -ld /home/rc" |
| 11:03.35 | IRC | Kamping_Kaiser: sorry |
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| 11:03.48 | Cr3ature | now if i transfer all these old log archives to new box |
| 11:03.56 | IRC | valdyn: drwxrwxrwx 44 rc rc 4096 2008-02-10 16:32 /home/rc |
| 11:03.57 | Cr3ature | will it just continue making them |
| 11:04.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | Cr3ature, yes, it rotates them... |
| 11:04.06 | Cr3ature | where the old logrotate left |
| 11:04.10 | valdyn | IRC: ok, now paste the output of "ls -ld /home" |
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| 11:04.21 | Cr3ature | ic well good |
| 11:04.36 | IRC | valdyn: drwxrwxrwx 4 root root 4096 2008-02-05 12:25 /home |
| 11:04.46 | valdyn | IRC: now same for /, "ls -ld /" |
| 11:04.48 | Cr3ature | so when you wanna transfer old logfiles to new box you just copy them from old /var/log to the new /var/log |
| 11:04.53 | Badgerer | valdyn: where do I need to divert to? |
| 11:05.00 | valdyn | Badgerer: anywhere you like |
| 11:05.07 | IRC | valdyn: drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2008-01-10 07:09 / |
| 11:05.12 | valdyn | Badgerer: like gcc-thisistherealthing or whatever |
| 11:05.23 | valdyn | IRC: why did you change permissions on /home ? |
| 11:06.00 | Badgerer | valdyn: and then what? |
| 11:06.06 | valdyn | IRC: or why did you mess with permissions in the first place |
| 11:06.10 | IRC | as i know, i haven't done such thing |
| 11:06.18 | valdyn | Badgerer: create a gcc symlink? |
| 11:06.35 | IRC | valdyn: i don't know how that happen |
| 11:06.41 | valdyn | IRC: is /home a seperate partition? |
| 11:07.03 | IRC | valdyn: no |
| 11:07.11 | valdyn | IRC: ok |
| 11:07.31 | valdyn | IRC: this is all fucked up but the first thing you must do as root is: "chmod -R 644 /home" |
| 11:07.54 | IRC | okey |
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| 11:09.02 | valdyn | IRC: most things should work now, if you already used ssh, that will be fucked now |
| 11:09.40 | IRC | valdyn: it may be coz of i used to use ssh |
| 11:09.48 | Badgerer | valdyn: ah, right. So how do I make that symlink? And where to? |
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| 11:09.57 | valdyn | Badgerer: what the fuck |
| 11:10.08 | valdyn | Badgerer: why are you even trying to compile anything? |
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| 11:10.48 | valdyn | Badgerer: i dont do horse tournaments before i can sit on a horse at least ( for what the comparison is worth.. = |
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| 11:11.22 | valdyn | !symlink |
| 11:11.22 | dpkg | Symlink rule of thumb / The link must be at the end / The filename comes first |
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| 11:11.35 | IRC | valdyn: ~$ chmod -R 644 /home |
| 11:11.36 | IRC | chmod: changing permissions of `/home': Operation not permitted |
| 11:11.36 | IRC | chmod: `/home/rc': Permission denied |
| 11:11.36 | IRC | chmod: changing permissions of `/home/ramchandra': Operation not permitted |
| 11:11.36 | IRC | chmod: fts_read failed: Permission denied |
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| 11:11.42 | Badgerer | valdyn: I can ride horses, I'm just entirely lost when it comes to switching from one to another. |
| 11:11.52 | valdyn | Internat: i said "as root" |
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| 11:12.28 | valdyn | Badgerer: man ln, "ln -s <file> <link>" is the command |
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| 11:12.44 | Badgerer | valdyn: thankyou. |
| 11:12.48 | IRC | sorry |
| 11:13.52 | IRC | valdyn: how to handle this problem? |
| 11:14.03 | valdyn | IRC: you run the command as root |
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| 11:14.36 | Badgerer | valdyn: just one last fool's question, if I may. What am I actually linking to? |
| 11:14.46 | valdyn | Badgerer: to gcc-4.1 |
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| 11:14.58 | IRC | valdyn: i couldn't login as root |
| 11:15.10 | valdyn | Badgerer: or globally "ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 /usr/bin/gcc" |
| 11:15.20 | valdyn | IRC: use "su" |
| 11:15.49 | valdyn | IRC: or jsut reinstall, since this is so way over your head |
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| 11:16.22 | Badgerer | uh, there is no /usr/bin/gcc |
| 11:16.28 | IRC | IRC: i guess, reinstalling is not a good idea |
| 11:16.33 | Badgerer | unless I'm missing the point. |
| 11:16.38 | valdyn | Badgerer: thats right, thats the symlink you create |
| 11:16.45 | valdyn | Badgerer: /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 exists |
| 11:16.54 | Badgerer | and 4.2 is symlinked there by default? |
| 11:17.03 | valdyn | Badgerer: yes |
| 11:17.16 | Badgerer | ah, that makes more sense. |
| 11:17.56 | Badgerer | >_> |
| 11:18.07 | Badgerer | It didn't work either. |
| 11:18.16 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 11:18.16 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 11:18.33 | Badgerer | valdyn: I was finding the error. |
| 11:18.51 | Badgerer | which happened to be "cannot find the development tool "cc" in your path" |
| 11:19.11 | valdyn | Badgerer: you can do the same thing for cc |
| 11:19.29 | valdyn | Badgerer: since you know how its done now... |
| 11:20.11 | Badgerer | just link gcc to it? |
| 11:20.15 | valdyn | Badgerer: and you should still divert cc too since "just" creating files in /usr ( except /usr/local ), is normally reserved to the management ( apt-get / dpkg etc ) |
| 11:20.50 | valdyn | Badgerer: or gcc-4.1 directly, your choice |
| 11:21.24 | valdyn | Badgerer: link -> link -> link -> file works the same as link -> file |
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| 11:22.14 | Badgerer | valdyn: debian doesn't come with the kernel source? |
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| 11:23.20 | acidfu | Hi, there's a way to bypass the "Size Mismatch" error with apt-get ? |
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| 11:24.35 | theatro | you want to ignore a possibly harmful error? |
| 11:25.07 | acidfu | yes |
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| 11:25.39 | theatro | ok download the package and try install it with dpkg |
| 11:25.43 | NichtMuede | Hi guys. I have a text file in CVS format. I am using cut to extract columns 1-20, and 22-40. I need to insert a space character between the extracted parts in each line. How can I do that? Thanks! |
| 11:26.04 | tarzeau | NichtMuede: using awk or sed? |
| 11:26.34 | theatro | same sentence without the questionmark |
| 11:27.50 | NichtMuede | tarzeau, thanks, I'll try with sed. |
| 11:27.52 | theatro | NichtMuede, you combine the first 20 columns with the 18 other columns in a new file? |
| 11:28.03 | Bushmills | NichtMuede: tricky: append a space to each line before piping to cut, and then cut that one too |
| 11:28.36 | Bushmills | better, prepend, for predictable offset of space |
| 11:28.38 | Badgerer | hey, I'm using lenny, to get the kernel source can I just add the stable repo? |
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| 11:29.16 | hell-jack | are there a program to look at documentation that debian contains ? |
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| 11:29.45 | tarzeau | hell-jack: mc ? |
| 11:29.49 | tarzeau | hell-jack: graphical or text mode? |
| 11:30.01 | tarzeau | hell-jack: man is one, any EDITOR will do in /usr/share/doc/PKG |
| 11:30.05 | hell-jack | graphical |
| 11:30.13 | hell-jack | hmm |
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| 11:31.01 | kuber | xman. |
| 11:31.02 | kuber | giggle. |
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| 11:32.14 | hell-jack | tarzeau, |
| 11:33.42 | hell-jack | i just wonna find all documentation on /user/share/doc in a place graphically it can be a program.For example Ley say think about library you can find all books you are searching for right |
| 11:33.59 | hell-jack | i said that is there something like that |
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| 11:35.13 | DawnLight | hell-jack: apache2 does that for you by default |
| 11:35.19 | Bushmills | hell-jack: yes |
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| 11:35.44 | Bushmills | hell-jack: dwww packs a lot of it into a web interface |
| 11:36.26 | hell-jack | hmm |
| 11:36.29 | hell-jack | thanks |
| 11:36.32 | DawnLight | dwww sounds like a good idea for you |
| 11:36.42 | hell-jack | DawnLight, and Bushmills |
| 11:36.52 | hell-jack | oki i will download it |
| 11:37.34 | Bushmills | hell-jack: this is how it looks like: http://verhau.de/dwww/ |
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| 11:38.57 | NichtMuede | I solved my problem using sed as suggested by tarzeau: s/^(.{10}).(.{10})/\1 \2/; |
| 11:38.59 | hell-jack | thats good |
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| 11:42.12 | online_ | hello |
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| 11:42.51 | online_ | is it possible to tell me what I need to do to get this missing folder |
| 11:43.06 | online_ | .svn/dir is missing |
| 11:43.24 | online_ | for some reason svn needs a file from it and does not find t |
| 11:43.25 | online_ | it |
| 11:43.56 | debian-is-me | How do I register an irc nick and channel? |
| 11:44.17 | DawnLight | !wayttd online_ |
| 11:44.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, online_? |
| 11:44.25 | Bushmills | debian-is-me: by starting a petition? |
| 11:44.47 | debian-is-me | Woot? |
| 11:44.53 | online_ | there is something wrong with my svn |
| 11:44.59 | debian-is-me | How do I register a nick at freenode? |
| 11:45.02 | online_ | not sure what the problem is |
| 11:45.06 | Bushmills | debian-is-me: you'd first write a letter to your congressman |
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| 11:45.46 | debian-is-me | Bushmills: Why are you bullshitting? |
| 11:45.49 | DawnLight | !tell online_ about not working |
| 11:45.51 | pumpkin0 | got a strange problem with a server. It is our sim-server (Quadcore, run at load 4 for about 40 hours per simulation). It starts with 2.4GHz, then scales down to 1.6GHz because something changes the governor from performance to powersafe. Why ? Does the gov.-system react to thermal problems ? |
| 11:45.52 | online_ | is says cant open 'dir/file' operation not permitted |
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| 11:46.17 | online_ | so I checked the location of that file that it is trying to access |
| 11:46.17 | frog | hi, what could be the rreason, that the opendict(under metacity) doesnt translate words from the clipboard ? |
| 11:46.22 | online_ | and I do not find it |
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| 11:47.15 | DawnLight | online_: read the subversion documentation |
| 11:47.26 | eshaase | i have an xterm window open with a large buffer doing a bunch of things... i'd like to scroll up and examine the history but everytime something new is printed to standard out i get taken back to the bottom current screen, whats the best appraoch for this? |
| 11:47.50 | online_ | DawnLight: do you know what my problem is? |
| 11:47.53 | DawnLight | eshaase: the screen command |
| 11:48.03 | online_ | do you understand? |
| 11:48.05 | hell-jack | Bushmills, |
| 11:48.09 | eshaase | DawnLight: any other alternative? |
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| 11:48.21 | eshaase | DawnLight: i don't want to have to remind myself to always open screen when i open an xterm |
| 11:48.33 | DawnLight | online_: sounds like some directory doesn't exist |
| 11:48.37 | hell-jack | if i replace something under dww folder |
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| 11:48.56 | hell-jack | it seems in /localhost/dww/ wight |
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| 11:49.00 | eshaase | DawnLight: seems like i'm bad at anticipating when i might ahve to do this |
| 11:49.05 | DawnLight | eshaase: put screen -R in your .bashrd perhaps |
| 11:49.12 | online_ | well, because it is marked with a . it could be that it does exist but simply is not visible ot unaccessible |
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| 11:49.33 | online_ | is it possible to modify this |
| 11:49.43 | DawnLight | online_: man ls and look at -a |
| 11:51.10 | Jygzygyzel | what if you wanna change harddrive for debian box? |
| 11:51.15 | eshaase | DawnLight: hmmmmmmmmmmmm, tahts very interesting, i'll take a look into that |
| 11:51.18 | NeoLobster | does anyone know how to remedy this warning message that appears when I do an apt-get update? |
| 11:51.19 | NeoLobster | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
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| 11:51.51 | eshaase | DawnLight: but i wouldn't be able to have multiple xterms open no? |
| 11:52.02 | DGnome | NeoLobster: apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 11:52.07 | DawnLight | NeoLobster: follow instructions at their website |
| 11:52.17 | DawnLight | eshaase: man screen and look at -R |
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| 11:52.26 | DGnome | NeoLobster: then apt-get update |
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| 11:53.01 | Bushmills | eshaase: try whether this works for you: |
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| 11:53.16 | Bushmills | in your xterm, run: bash | tee foobar |
| 11:53.24 | Bushmills | and then, in another xterm: |
| 11:53.29 | Bushmills | tail -f foobar |
| 11:53.38 | FordCortina | how do i get a list of programs accessing a certain file of directory? |
| 11:54.17 | hell-jack | how can i enable |
| 11:54.28 | Bushmills | eshaase: if that does, in foobar is the session log. there is a command to do about the same, but I forgot its name |
| 11:54.33 | hell-jack | java script plugn in iceweaseli |
| 11:55.08 | NeoLobster | DGnome: no such package according to my apt-get |
| 11:55.40 | Bushmills | eshaase: I remember. "script" was the command |
| 11:56.25 | DGnome | NeoLobster: then you have something wring with the apt sources, debian-multimedia-keyring - GnuPG archive key of the debian-multimedia repository |
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| 11:57.17 | NeoLobster | DGnome: oh wait, I'm an idiot - that's not an official debian mirror it's complaining about... It's the mythTV mirror |
| 11:57.25 | NeoLobster | of course its key isn't in the debian-keyring package |
| 11:57.31 | NeoLobster | it's not a debian-run mirror |
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| 11:58.14 | NeoLobster | yeah, killing that entry in sources.list fixed it - I don't need it anyway |
| 11:58.15 | NeoLobster | thanks |
| 11:58.16 | DGnome | NeoLobster: why does it then say: W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid Release: |
| 11:58.39 | DGnome | debian-multimedia is a very useful repo |
| 11:58.53 | DGnome | and debian multimedia is much more than just mythtv :) |
| 11:58.58 | NeoLobster | DGnome: do you know how to explicitly trust the key? |
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| 11:59.36 | DGnome | NeoLobster: on etch and lenny I just install the debian-multimedia-keyring -package and all is well |
| 11:59.47 | NeoLobster | hmmm... |
| 11:59.53 | NeoLobster | I think I'm on lenny |
| 11:59.56 | DGnome | Sid is not meant to be used |
| 12:00.05 | NeoLobster | whichever is testing |
| 12:00.37 | DGnome | Lenny |
| 12:00.37 | DGnome | yes |
| 12:00.37 | NeoLobster | yeah - that's what I'm doing |
| 12:00.38 | NeoLobster | oh, but my source says sid |
| 12:00.38 | DGnome | tadaa.wav |
| 12:00.38 | NeoLobster | I'll change that to lenny - or better yet, testing |
| 12:00.50 | DGnome | NeoLobster: then you should have all sourced to point at testing |
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| 12:01.09 | NeoLobster | DGnome: they all do |
| 12:01.24 | DGnome | NeoLobster: then you have a uniform system |
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| 12:01.48 | NeoLobster | that's what I was going for :-P |
| 12:02.53 | asdffdsa | does the vmsplice kernel bug affect xen dum0s when run from domUs? |
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| 12:03.30 | NeoLobster | haha DGnome - It's still not listed as a package |
| 12:03.38 | blueD | is the latest ardour in sid? |
| 12:03.46 | asdffdsa | !info ardour sid |
| 12:04.05 | dpkg | ardour: (digital audio workstation (graphical gtk2 interface)), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:2.3.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8183 kB, Installed size: 25004 kB |
| 12:04.06 | Bushmills | yes, added yesterday iirc |
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| 12:04.19 | dimir | https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209460 |
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| 12:04.56 | NeoLobster | !info debian-multimedia-keyring lenny |
| 12:05.12 | NeoLobster | lol |
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| 12:05.14 | Bushmills | hehe |
| 12:05.18 | NeoLobster | updating files |
| 12:05.18 | eshaase | Bushmills: well i know i can tee which is what i'm currently doing, but i find myself alot of times needing this functinoality after i've already executed a command, i'm looking for a more general appraoch |
| 12:05.18 | DGnome | NeoLobster: http://pastebin.ca/898514 <-- those are my apt-sources see if yours differ otherwise than countrycode |
| 12:05.52 | eshaase | i want to be able to examine my xterm history without having to know beforehand that i have to manually execute it with screen/script/tee |
| 12:05.54 | Bushmills | eshaase: you can increase size of backscroll buffer |
| 12:06.07 | NeoLobster | oh, I bet I know |
| 12:06.12 | NeoLobster | I don't have the deb-src version in there |
| 12:06.16 | NeoLobster | only the deb |
| 12:06.39 | NeoLobster | er...vice versa |
| 12:06.42 | NeoLobster | I have the src, not the deb |
| 12:07.03 | DGnome | eh? |
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| 12:07.10 | DGnome | why? |
| 12:07.13 | NeoLobster | that worked |
| 12:07.21 | NeoLobster | DGnome: by mistake, apparently |
| 12:07.30 | DGnome | allrighty then |
| 12:07.47 | NeoLobster | yup - my apt-get update is happy now |
| 12:07.49 | NeoLobster | thanks <3 |
| 12:07.52 | DGnome | :) |
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| 12:08.16 | NeoLobster | !info debian-multimedia-keyring lenny |
| 12:08.40 | Bushmills | eshaase: but afaik, this would need el-cheapo video hardware. "share video mem", with which you'd use part of your DRAM as video ram, and can set its size through the BIOS |
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| 12:08.47 | Bushmills | shared |
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| 12:10.50 | Bushmills | cwillu: - or + |
| 12:11.33 | cwillu | bah, thanks |
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| 12:11.44 | cwillu | I tried +, but got myself confused |
| 12:12.02 | Bushmills | yes, I find - also less confusing then + |
| 12:12.14 | cwillu | - doesn't do the same thing though :p |
| 12:12.18 | cwillu | yep |
| 12:13.01 | eshaase | Bushmills: i already increased it to 10k but my initial concern was that my xterm scrolls down whenever new text is displayed on standard output |
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| 12:17.12 | eshaase | DawnLight: adding screen -R to my .bashrc causes the first xterm to work ok but any xterm after that created causes some inifite loop |
| 12:19.44 | Bushmills | eshaase: try gnome-terminal. that one won't jump to end when scrolled back |
| 12:22.22 | eshaase | i don't like gnome-terminal =) |
| 12:22.36 | Jygzygyzel | is it important that there is a lot of free space in /boot ? |
| 12:22.46 | valdyn | Jygzygyzel: whats "alot" ? |
| 12:22.55 | Jygzygyzel | ionno like 75% |
| 12:23.04 | valdyn | Jygzygyzel: whats 75% ? |
| 12:23.07 | cwillu | 75% of what? |
| 12:23.22 | Jygzygyzel | actually ill cancel my question cause i don't even care anymore |
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| 12:23.42 | Jygzygyzel | you should have said MB |
| 12:23.43 | Bushmills | eshaase: modify xterm to not jump to the end |
| 12:23.51 | valdyn | hes probably at 75 of 346TB |
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| 12:24.16 | cwillu | who me? |
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| 12:24.31 | Jygzygyzel | but i am intrested though how i could switch to new harddrive |
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| 12:28.21 | Bushmills | Jygzygyzel: essentually 2 things: tell you boot loader to pass root on new drive to kernel, and update fstab to reflect the new partitions and new drive. |
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| 12:29.00 | Jygzygyzel | soo i partition the new drive |
| 12:29.00 | valdyn | Jygzygyzel: theres various ways, all requiring quite deep understanding how linux works. Though slower, a reinstall is safe and easy. |
| 12:29.03 | seek | Hey, were all AMD K6-2's using the Socket 7 ZIF socket? |
| 12:29.05 | Jygzygyzel | cp the junk |
| 12:29.33 | Jygzygyzel | valdyn also its very stupid and time taking |
| 12:29.50 | valdyn | Jygzygyzel: doesnt take me any time except a few keyboard hits |
| 12:30.07 | wols | seek: yes |
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| 12:30.25 | eshaase | Bushmills: is tha tpossible? |
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| 12:30.30 | eshaase | Bushmills: haha, good question =) |
| 12:30.31 | valdyn | Jygzygyzel: actually i bet it will take you more time to do it any other way ) |
| 12:31.11 | Jygzygyzel | ur now making6 pretty big assumptions |
| 12:31.25 | cwillu | ...which aren't necessarily unjustified |
| 12:32.02 | valdyn | Jygzygyzel: im doing it for a decade, i know its easy to fuck up |
| 12:32.16 | eshaase | does anyone know if its possible to make xterm not scroll down to the bottom when something is printed to standard out? |
| 12:32.25 | Jygzygyzel | oh is it now |
| 12:32.46 | cwillu | eshaase, interactive use? could you just pipe through less? |
| 12:32.49 | wols | Jygzygyzel: knowing you the chance of a fuckup approaches 1 |
| 12:33.10 | Bushmills | Jygzygyzel: though consider that most space is probably used by user data and such. /home. that's a bit easier to move than rest of the system, and makes most sense to move to a bigger drive |
| 12:33.11 | Jygzygyzel | its pretty near the zero |
| 12:33.12 | eshaase | cwillu: i'm trying to find a more general appraoch |
| 12:33.23 | cwillu | eshaase, gnome-terminal is a general approach :p |
| 12:33.24 | eshaase | cwillu: something i don't have to do everytime i load up xterm |
| 12:33.26 | xingu | http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/gadgets/firefox.html :) |
| 12:34.11 | wols | xingu: forecastfox or such exists for > yeasr |
| 12:34.16 | valdyn | cwillu: use typscript ? |
| 12:34.18 | wols | > 1 year |
| 12:34.19 | valdyn | cwillu: use typescript ? |
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| 12:34.45 | cwillu | eshaase, use typescript ? :p |
| 12:34.53 | valdyn | ops |
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| 12:36.03 | xingu | wols: yeah; but they're not the met, are they :) |
| 12:36.22 | xingu | metoffice, I guess, to disambiguate |
| 12:36.31 | cwillu | Jygzygyzel, I really don't mean to be insulting. But be realistic: you're in here asking how to do something because you don't know. We're telling you that it's not necessarily trivial. And you're telling us that it isn't, despite the fact that you're asking for help with it. |
| 12:36.52 | Jygzygyzel | lol ofc its trivial |
| 12:36.58 | wols | !cluebat Jygzygyzel |
| 12:37.07 | Jygzygyzel | xD |
| 12:37.31 | wols | Jygzygyzel: you are not the brightest bulb on the tree. your history of cuqestions proved it without a doubt |
| 12:37.42 | wols | *questions |
| 12:37.48 | Jygzygyzel | you still remember me? |
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| 12:38.15 | wols | it's always good to avoid morons. they are dangerous |
| 12:38.31 | wols | so rememberance is a survival skill |
| 12:39.48 | cwillu | Jygzygyzel, plug in the new drive, partition it, mount it, cp -ax / /mount-point, install grub on it (making sure to point it at where the drive will be, not where it is (and not just the mount point), fix up the fstab, reboot, |
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| 12:39.54 | cwillu | Jygzygyzel, I think that's everything |
| 12:40.30 | Jygzygyzel | sounds easy |
| 12:40.38 | Jygzygyzel | done that a million times |
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| 12:40.45 | cwillu | so why'd you have to ask? |
| 12:40.51 | nuno_nunes | !br |
| 12:40.52 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:40.53 | Jygzygyzel | cause i wanted to be sure |
| 12:40.55 | nuno_nunes | !pt |
| 12:40.56 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 12:42.19 | Sebboh | hi. There is a xen-686 kernel in stable, but not testing. What's up with that? |
| 12:43.13 | wols | seek: a lot of stuff is not in testing |
| 12:43.34 | wols | and if you want to run it you should know why and how to fix it when needed |
| 12:43.37 | cwillu | Sebboh, ^^^^, although you probably saw it anyway |
| 12:43.46 | Jygzygyzel | lol it would be hillarious to wire my midi keyboard to send: ssh lol@lolmachine beep $notefrq |
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| 12:44.29 | Jygzygyzel | any idea how to monitor midi activity? |
| 12:46.04 | Sebboh | wols, push comes to shove, I can compile it myself. But I generally stick to what's in the package repos. Anyway, I was wondering if you, or anybody else, has any news on this subject. If I recall correctly, there was some issue upstream that made me feel like taking the same action Debian did--to skip it. But I don't recall what that is. |
| 12:46.06 | cwillu | Jygzygyzel, just remember to turn on connection sharing so that the latency is respectable |
| 12:46.16 | Jygzygyzel | ? |
| 12:46.27 | cwillu | Jygzygyzel, -S option to ssh |
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| 12:46.30 | Jygzygyzel | oh |
| 12:46.40 | Jygzygyzel | also login without password needs to be done |
| 12:46.42 | cwillu | Jygzygyzel, reuses the connection if you have one already |
| 12:47.11 | Jygzygyzel | i just don't know any way to monitor midi activity |
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| 12:48.28 | cwillu | should be able to open the device file; midi's just a serial link with a weird clock rate |
| 12:48.34 | asdffdsa | does the vmsplice kernel bug affect xen dum0s when run from domUs? |
| 12:48.46 | cwillu | the protocol is dead simple |
| 12:48.52 | Jygzygyzel | yea |
| 12:49.00 | Jygzygyzel | i once remember opening it |
| 12:49.16 | Jygzygyzel | isn't it a character device in /proc or something? |
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| 12:50.13 | Sebboh | asdffdsa: what is the vmsplice kernel bug? Does this have anything to do with the system clock? |
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| 12:50.37 | S4nD3r | Hi. I downloaded a image (iso) package, and I would like to check the files are on that (before burn a CD), is it possible? How? |
| 12:50.49 | Sebboh | My domU clock is always slow by non-trivial amounts. :/ |
| 12:50.56 | abrotman | S4nD3r: md5sum the ISO |
| 12:51.30 | Sebboh | S4nD3r: you want to see what files are in there? You can mount it via the loopback device. Or what abrotman said to verify that the iso itself is not corrupt. |
| 12:51.33 | asdffdsa | Sebboh, no. there are two new local root exploits in the wild |
| 12:52.03 | Sebboh | See this is why I like debian to manage my packages for me. :/ |
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| 12:52.10 | S4nD3r | Ok. Its no corrupted. But I d like to mount it |
| 12:52.22 | abrotman | !loopback |
| 12:52.22 | dpkg | loopback is, like, how you talk to yourself. "iface lo inet loopback" and "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces, or "ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0" from the shell. A misconfigured loopback could cause "neighbour table overflow" messages. a driver to handle files as if they were devices. |
| 12:52.25 | abrotman | nope |
| 12:52.27 | abrotman | !mount iso |
| 12:52.28 | dpkg | methinks iso mount is mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
| 12:52.38 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.55 | Sebboh | your iso is probably not an ext3 filesystem. |
| 12:53.02 | S4nD3r | neither ext3, or iso9660 |
| 12:53.18 | Sebboh | file muriqui.iso |
| 12:53.27 | Sebboh | if you don't have file, get it. apt-get install file |
| 12:53.36 | Spee_Der | Ok. Here goes nothing. Wish me luck for a re-boot. This will be only the third time I've had to using Lenny......... phew..... |
| 12:53.36 | S4nD3r | Unable to identify CD-ROM format. |
| 12:53.38 | Sebboh | It's magic. ;) |
| 12:53.40 | abrotman | it should be iso9660 |
| 12:54.00 | S4nD3r | maybe is a partition problem... |
| 12:54.03 | S4nD3r | let me see. |
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| 12:55.15 | Sebboh | S4nD3r: you have an esoteric cd image there. And you left. Anyway, burn it. CDs are funny.. There are plenty of them that work without being proper at all. Take for example the CDs they use in Musak machines.. Dunno if file would correctly identify them. |
| 12:56.01 | Sebboh | (They mung those Musak CDs in various ways to keep employees from taking the disc home and copying it. Don't ask how I know this. :P ) |
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| 13:01.37 | jngu1 | Silly question... but how are you supposed to turn off a debian machine? I usually do shutdown -h now or poweroff... but I noticed there is a halt in /etc/init.d |
| 13:01.43 | LV-426 | how do i issue a command over ssh that would endure termination of the session ? |
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| 13:01.57 | jngu1 | LV-426: nohup |
| 13:02.12 | wols | LV-426: screen |
| 13:02.36 | jim | the two do the job in different ways |
| 13:02.38 | wols | jngu1: shutodnw is perfectly fine |
| 13:02.46 | jim | pick the one you want |
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| 13:03.05 | abrotman | jngu1: any of those are fine |
| 13:03.06 | asdffdsa | LV-426, do you want to ever re-attach the process? |
| 13:03.28 | abrotman | he just said the duration of the ssh session .. he could just background it |
| 13:03.33 | jngu1 | I'm actually wondering because I can't seem to get WOL to work. I modified the script in init.d to not pass -i, I'm not sure if its being used. |
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| 13:04.30 | jngu1 | Anyone have points on how to fix WOL? |
| 13:04.51 | wols | !wol |
| 13:04.51 | dpkg | methinks wol is wake-on-lan |
| 13:05.07 | jngu1 | WOL works when I shutdown from windows |
| 13:05.23 | wols | jngu1: the hardware side of WOL is all done properly? |
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| 13:05.35 | jngu1 | are we not supposed to edit init scripts? |
| 13:05.43 | LV-426 | asdffdsa, no , just want to have a 'call back' test , simulating an external [non-associated] connection attempt ... thanks |
| 13:06.02 | jngu1 | wols: I assume so, I can also use wakeonlan if I turn the computer off before it finish posting. |
| 13:06.05 | asdffdsa | LV-426, then nohup is fine |
| 13:06.09 | wols | etherwake, wakeonlan |
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| 13:06.28 | jngu1 | ethtool reports that wol flags are correctly set. |
| 13:06.29 | wols | they should come with docs |
| 13:06.33 | wols | read them? |
| 13:06.33 | DawnLight | etherwake works here. didn't know there's a software side to wol... |
| 13:06.47 | jngu1 | I can use the command to wake up another machine |
| 13:07.03 | abrotman | LV-426: do you want it to end when you logout ? |
| 13:07.19 | jngu1 | the problem is linux/debian is disabling some how. |
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| 13:07.44 | jngu1 | how do you use the init script to shutdown? |
| 13:08.14 | jngu1 | nevermind |
| 13:08.17 | jngu1 | just figured it out... |
| 13:08.21 | jngu1 | I don't think that was good. |
| 13:08.30 | jngu1 | but it worked. |
| 13:09.43 | LV-426 | abrotman, no just doning 'ssh foo nohup sleep 5; ssh goo touch /testfile' to test connectivity from the out side... |
| 13:10.06 | abrotman | uhm .. okay |
| 13:10.14 | enouf | jngu1: could employ telinit 0 or 6 as well i suppose |
| 13:10.23 | abrotman | LV-426: i'm not sure nohup is what you want .. but i guess you can try it |
| 13:10.26 | jim | well if they can be done without entering a pw, you'd have a better chance of both of those working |
| 13:10.53 | jngu1 | yeah, so when I do /etc/init.d/halt stop, I'm able to wake it up |
| 13:10.54 | enouf | jngu1: is your Power button set to standby mode (in the BIOS?) how about PME enable? |
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| 13:11.09 | jngu1 | so the default halt is passing in -i, and I need to remove that. |
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| 13:12.05 | enouf | !iwlwifi |
| 13:12.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets (http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi). Included in mainline 2.6.24 kernel and Debian 2.6.23 kernels ("modprobe iwl4965"). Binary regulatory daemon not required, but difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi, or ... |
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| 13:12.28 | msm | I want to assign static ip to usb port |
| 13:12.29 | enouf | bah, you said upstream :-p |
| 13:12.40 | enouf | wtf? |
| 13:12.45 | msm | what interface will it be ? |
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| 13:13.23 | jim | msm: you cannot assign IP to a usb port.... you CAN assign it to a network interface |
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| 13:13.34 | msm | I am about to install debian using netinst and how do I configure my usb with static ip as network connection |
| 13:13.57 | theatro | usb modem? |
| 13:14.06 | enouf | pppoe? |
| 13:14.09 | msm | eth fo ethernet I know for usb what ? |
| 13:14.18 | jim | a network interface is a kernel data structure that could represent a usb port |
| 13:14.32 | msm | pppoe right.... |
| 13:14.43 | xingu | enouf: 2.6.24 in-kernel version shat itself royally on s2ram here; upstream has had major surgery, common code for 3945 and 4965 has been extracted (all the functions have been renamed iwlxxxx->iwlxxxx) so it's a bit tricky to work out _just_ from diffs. |
| 13:14.43 | msm | pppoe now over usb |
| 13:14.52 | enouf | shat? rofl |
| 13:14.57 | jim | that woud be pppou |
| 13:15.04 | jim | or pppousb |
| 13:15.06 | xingu | enouf: there is a relevant patch in there though, specifically saving/restoring pci registers during suspend/resume |
| 13:15.10 | msm | ok |
| 13:15.18 | jim | but may or may not be named that |
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| 13:15.31 | msm | so what now as I install will it give me such options ? |
| 13:15.42 | xingu | err renamed iwlxxxx->iwl_ rather |
| 13:15.43 | enouf | xingu: congratulation - you're now officially my new wifi hero ;-) |
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| 13:15.56 | enouf | yeah |
| 13:16.12 | msm | OK |
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| 13:16.38 | enouf | !pppoe |
| 13:16.38 | dpkg | i heard pppoe is ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
| 13:17.17 | msm | !pppou |
| 13:17.32 | xingu | enouf: driver behind wanting to work this out is so I can finally lid-close my notebook and go s2ram |
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| 13:17.50 | xingu | enouf: this puppy runs hot enough to worry me about thermal stress over a 2-3yr lifespan |
| 13:17.52 | jim | it's probably the same protocol as pppoe |
| 13:18.00 | xingu | enouf: it's already had its gpu die and get replaced... |
| 13:18.02 | enouf | hrm, does d-i mention about it? |
| 13:18.06 | enouf | ahh ... |
| 13:18.07 | enouf | Debian Installer, starting with February 2007 supports installing a system via PPPoE and will configure the system accordingly. At the regular Debian Installer boot line just append modules=ppp-udeb (e.g.: type "installgui modules=ppp-udeb" to start a graphical installation via PPPoE). More information in the corresponding chapter in the Installation Guide. |
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| 13:18.21 | enouf | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds05.html |
| 13:19.00 | enouf | xingu: wow, what craptop is that? ;-) |
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| 13:19.40 | xingu | enouf: uniwill p53in; sold by various folk, mine was rockdirect pegasys 665 |
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| 13:19.41 | enouf | xingu: and you DO lift/tilt it to allow for airflow underneath wjile working, yes? and KEEP that puppy OFF YOUR LAP ffs ... |
| 13:19.51 | xingu | enouf: yes to the above |
| 13:19.58 | enouf | cool |
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| 13:20.34 | xingu | enouf: it's not baking, but it is 50-60C at the sensor which is per design, the fan trigger is 58C or something |
| 13:20.36 | jim | literally |
| 13:20.54 | xingu | enouf: welcome to life in the fast-ish lane |
| 13:21.26 | xingu | enouf: on the plus side it has a t7200 and 7600go in it :) whips through kernel build runs and makes mincemeat of screen candy |
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| 13:21.42 | enouf | 58C seems high for fan to kick in .. but i don;t use laptops, so .. |
| 13:21.50 | jngu1 | is there some way you can set the flags for halt? |
| 13:22.02 | enouf | righto |
| 13:22.18 | xingu | enouf: it's normal-ish for odm/whitebook stuff and also high for branded kit which tend to run cooler - by using lower spec/ lower clock parts. |
| 13:22.24 | jim | man halt |
| 13:22.35 | enouf | jngu1: you could make your own script - see /etc/init.d/skeleton and /README |
| 13:22.42 | jim | how do you mean set its flag? |
| 13:23.10 | enouf | xingu: sure.. understandable |
| 13:23.15 | blueD | about ardour, in sid, libjack0:0.109.2 is needed, but I've only 0.109.1.... |
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| 13:23.24 | jngu1 | if I call halt without the -i flag, WOL works properly |
| 13:23.27 | xingu | enouf: the wife's arsepyre 5920G is a case in point, 8600gt, t7300 |
| 13:23.42 | enouf | heh |
| 13:23.43 | jngu1 | oy. |
| 13:23.47 | jim | what uses -i? |
| 13:23.47 | jngu1 | just figured it out. |
| 13:23.49 | jngu1 | sorry |
| 13:23.50 | jngu1 | halt |
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| 13:24.01 | enouf | she's almost a wintendo weenie gamer O.o |
| 13:24.01 | jim | and in what script? |
| 13:24.15 | pocukrani | how to add user without ssh access? |
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| 13:24.46 | jim | that would be difficult without rewriting ssh... unless pam can do somthing |
| 13:24.49 | enouf | man useradd |
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| 13:25.09 | jim | what access is the user to have |
| 13:25.22 | xingu | enouf: there's enough horses under that bonnet to get the job done, but it's definitely a cooler design |
| 13:25.36 | enouf | xingu: pricepoint? |
| 13:26.00 | xingu | enouf: £800-ish plus £65 or so for upgrade to 4GB DRAM |
| 13:26.23 | enouf | not too shabby .. so ~1500 USD :-p |
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| 13:26.39 | enouf | + 120ish for RAM i guess |
| 13:26.52 | enouf | er 130, but who's counting |
| 13:26.53 | abrotman | enouf: useradd ? |
| 13:26.59 | abrotman | enouf: erm .. i mean .. adduser :) |
| 13:27.06 | xingu | enouf: it was a surprisingly good bang/buck pricepoint; the current ones are all 8600gs's now |
| 13:27.07 | enouf | abrotman: perhaps i misunderstood the question |
| 13:27.39 | enouf | abrotman: you know, it was so .. er verbose and comprehensive |
| 13:27.43 | abrotman | enouf: and i totally thought yout "120 for RAM" was talking about how much iceweasel had consumed .. which didn't seem like that much :) |
| 13:27.52 | xingu | enouf: ridiculous tax levels here, in US should be £=$ or there abouts for anything of that vintage; probably nearer £=1.5$ now that the greenback's gone all china syntrome |
| 13:27.54 | enouf | hehe |
| 13:28.18 | enouf | yeah, rotten to the core O.o |
| 13:28.39 | xingu | good for those of us busy buying your best assets. :) |
| 13:29.03 | bolt | I'm using a wireless card with the atheros chipset. When I do "iwconfig ath0 ap my:aps:mac:address:here" i can do "dhclient ath0" afterwards. if I do "iwconfig ath0 ap any", dhclient gets no answers. but I need to roam between different ap's on the same network. what is wrong here? |
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| 13:30.21 | jim | how do you buy wireless cards new knowing what the chipset is? |
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| 13:30.36 | jim | in fact how do you choose the chipset |
| 13:31.00 | bolt | jim: manufacturer specifications. you want orinoco or atheros |
| 13:31.35 | xingu | jim: painstaking research and good returns policies |
| 13:31.40 | xingu | jim: it's a real shit shower |
| 13:31.42 | abrotman | orinoco only does 11b |
| 13:31.43 | jim | ugh |
| 13:32.00 | jim | orinoco is prism isn't it? |
| 13:32.05 | Caelum | there's always ndiswrapper |
| 13:32.09 | abrotman | there is prism54 .. yes .. |
| 13:32.11 | xingu | jim: centrino brand implies 3946/4965 |
| 13:32.22 | abrotman | Caelum: that's a really crummy way to use a NIC |
| 13:32.39 | xingu | jim: 802.11n draft 2.0 dualband whittles the search space right back |
| 13:32.47 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:32.55 | xingu | jim: basically only broadcom and intel shipping yet there |
| 13:33.13 | jim | meaning only nonlinuxable stuff? |
| 13:33.13 | abrotman | i'd probably go with the intel or madwifi stuff at this point |
| 13:33.23 | wols | jim: you look at kernel vanilla 2.6.24 and see what is supported how |
| 13:33.23 | zinx | jim: intel has iwlwifi |
| 13:33.26 | xingu | jim: there's linux drivers for both - b43, iwlwifi |
| 13:33.49 | wols | but you stay away from broadcom |
| 13:34.02 | xingu | jim: if you're thinking of going 802.11n on 2.4GHz don't, it'll just annoy the crap out of you :) |
| 13:34.03 | abrotman | no one should intentionally buy broadcom |
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| 13:34.15 | wols | abrotman: amen |
| 13:34.29 | xingu | abrotman: the draft 2.0 stuff isn't too horrid with the (new) b43 driver. |
| 13:34.46 | abrotman | xingu: did they help write a free driver that doesnt'require firmware? |
| 13:34.50 | wols | xingu: but broadcom is horrid |
| 13:34.52 | liable | atheros have n cards, but no n support in linux yet |
| 13:35.01 | wols | xingu: broadcom is actively hostile to linux |
| 13:35.02 | xingu | liable: no dualband yet though |
| 13:35.03 | abrotman | liable: checked the ath5k project? |
| 13:35.06 | jim | what chipset has n? |
| 13:35.11 | liable | abrotman: they dont do n |
| 13:35.18 | bolt | i can't get madwifi to do my bidding :/ |
| 13:35.19 | liable | abrotman: madwifi doesnt even do n yet |
| 13:35.23 | jim | only broadcom and intel? |
| 13:35.42 | liable | abrotman: but yeah, i have been using it for a few months now. |
| 13:35.47 | abrotman | liable: IIRC .. madwifi is a dead-end .. they're putting all efforts into ath5k |
| 13:36.08 | xingu | jim: marvell's another contender with hardware but again their dualband stuff is vapourware still afaik |
| 13:36.11 | abrotman | jim: really .. don't buy broadcom .. they're bastards .. worse than nvidia and ati combined |
| 13:36.15 | xingu | jim: due this quarter |
| 13:36.18 | liable | abrotman: yeah, but i wouldnt be surprised if they bring out a new hal with n support |
| 13:36.41 | jim | well in one case (a wired eth) I didn't have a choice |
| 13:36.42 | liable | that will get a few people wet in the pants |
| 13:36.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:37.27 | xingu | jim: it's a real bad time to be buying wifi kit to be quite frank |
| 13:37.38 | jim | agreed |
| 13:37.43 | xingu | jim: some huge % of shit that's out there is either 2.4GHz-only or draft 1.0 |
| 13:37.49 | abrotman | especially if you want 11n stuff |
| 13:37.50 | xingu | jim: either way it's not good |
| 13:37.57 | jim | for now :) |
| 13:38.30 | abrotman | xingu: be nice if they'd just finish the damn spec |
| 13:38.33 | xingu | jim: give it 3mo and wait for the dualband draft 2.0 accesspoints to show up; if you need something now, a 4965 mini-pci-express card is a reasonable pick |
| 13:39.04 | xingu | jim: I'm not as religious as these guys on the broadcom issue, I can understand their play and _specifically on the dualband draft 2.0_ issue it makes sense. |
| 13:39.21 | xingu | jim: the earlier chipsets are a total 'mare though, that I'll drink to |
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| 13:39.37 | jim | I wouldn't mind that in a physically smaller deb gateway |
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| 13:40.20 | xingu | jim: the other really excellent spanner in the gears at the moment is the bloody csiro patent infringement issue |
| 13:40.23 | abrotman | xingu: it's not how broadcom does/doesn't support the spec .. it's the way they interact with the linux community |
| 13:40.40 | xingu | jim: everyone's sitting with their thumb up their arse until that works through |
| 13:40.51 | bolt | anyone got any tips on why i can get an ip with a set ap, but not with "any" ap? |
| 13:41.06 | jim | kinda like SCO (the other one) and linux/unix |
| 13:41.13 | xingu | jim: worse, this one has legs |
| 13:41.34 | Caelum | bolt: there are some packages to manage wireless connections...maybe they could do it for you |
| 13:42.24 | xingu | abrotman: fair do, I'm pretty pragmatic, I'm more concerned with function than attitude; but thank ${deity} some people still have principles :) |
| 13:42.30 | xingu | abrotman: I sold mine long ago :) |
| 13:42.51 | abrotman | xingu: mine only go so far .. but broadcom really is a bastard |
| 13:42.52 | bolt | Caelum: doing it without x though... if you have any suggestions for console utilities..? |
| 13:43.16 | valdyn | !wicd |
| 13:43.18 | jim | all the unix commands are console utilities |
| 13:43.23 | valdyn | mm, wicd not in debian yet |
| 13:43.25 | xingu | abrotman: as randy would say, I encourage all my competitors to narrow their supply chain :) |
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| 13:44.19 | bolt | valdyn: wicd seems to be using a gui. i run ratpoison, so virtually no gui's look good, and i don't want any |
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| 13:45.04 | abrotman | xingu: i prefer not to use blobs .. but they happen .. i don't hink broadcom has helped engineer linux drivers for a single one of their devices |
| 13:45.12 | abrotman | don't think |
| 13:45.48 | Caelum | bolt: waproamd, from a cursory apt-cache search |
| 13:45.50 | abrotman | it'd be nice if intel would have a fully open driver for the 4965 |
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| 13:46.08 | xingu | abrotman: it's core business for them; toolchain lock-in is part of their model |
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| 13:46.29 | abrotman | xingu: that's fine .. i'll just not bu hardware with their stuff on it |
| 13:46.37 | xingu | abrotman: they're not reeaallly selling that hard into the pc peripheral space; they're more interested in the embedded market |
| 13:46.54 | abrotman | xingu: i realize that .. but they still suck :) |
| 13:46.59 | xingu | abrotman: :) |
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| 13:48.14 | liable | noone makes fullmac cards anymore, and thats the only difference between a new intel with os blob and an old orinoco with it on the card |
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| 13:48.35 | xingu | abrotman: oh well, intel's montevina and calpella are going to nail their arse anyway |
| 13:49.06 | liable | are the marketing guys taking shrooms or something? wtf made those names up! |
| 13:49.10 | xingu | liable: there's no point making a fullmac card any more; the signal processor core costs less at every stage |
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| 13:49.41 | abrotman | xingu: there are reasons .. just not ones that make business/money sense |
| 13:50.04 | xingu | abrotman: there are other reasons? :) |
| 13:50.31 | xingu | oh yeah I forgot where I was, reality check, home of the do it _right_, not do it for maximum profit |
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| 13:51.57 | xingu | abrotman: in this case though the other reason I can see is making sure that the functions are fully offloaded; if you peek at the iwl source you'll see that even the softmac approach on 3945/4965 is a pretty good one |
| 13:52.17 | xingu | abrotman: there are other shite designs, the ipw2xxx's were a bit crap as were the spectrum24t's |
| 13:52.25 | xingu | abrotman: but that's ancient history now |
| 13:52.39 | abrotman | xingu: they just hate us! |
| 13:53.01 | abrotman | xingu: i can see reasons for it .. but not super good ones .. oh well |
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| 13:53.52 | xingu | abrotman: there's no cores yet that do tcp offload, which is one; they're all too busy keeping up with the multipath math for 802.11n to fuss about tcp segmentation/reassembly and retrans |
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| 13:54.07 | abrotman | xingu: even for 11g |
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| 13:54.17 | xingu | abrotman: but really, at even 300mbit, it's not that big a deal |
| 13:54.22 | xingu | abrotman: afaik yep. |
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| 13:54.55 | xingu | abrotman: 11g is just 11b-the-one-louder-remix |
| 13:54.58 | wald0 | why debian uses iceweasel for firefox BUT ubuntu uses Firefox ? |
| 13:55.03 | abrotman | oh well .. life sucks .. |
| 13:55.11 | abrotman | wald0: ask #ubuntu |
| 13:55.13 | xingu | abrotman: that's why the 11g shit hit the streets so quickly ;) |
| 13:55.15 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 13:55.15 | dpkg | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla for more information. |
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| 13:55.33 | wald0 | abrotman: u don't really think that ppl in ubuntu can answer those kind of question :D they are mainly 14 years old boys that feel hacker because they have linux |
| 13:55.37 | abrotman | xingu: they've been dragging the 11n spec out for what .. three years? |
| 13:55.46 | xingu | abrotman: gotta love submarine patents |
| 13:55.50 | abrotman | !tell wald0 about u |
| 13:55.57 | xingu | abrotman: at this rate 802.16 will beat it out the door |
| 13:56.03 | valdyn | wald0: and that makes us the proper audience for ubuntu questions? |
| 13:56.06 | abrotman | wald0: we know why we use iceweasel .. we don't know why they use FF .. ask them |
| 13:56.15 | abrotman | xingu: hehe |
| 13:56.35 | wald0 | ok, sorry sorry |
| 13:57.05 | wald0 | abrotman: yes, thats my problem... i don't know WHY they uses firefox, i don't think that they uses original binaries |
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| 13:57.22 | abrotman | wald0: right .. ask them .. we wouldn't know |
| 13:57.30 | xingu | abrotman: won't be too much change between draft2.0 and final draft; I'd take a cunning guess that going forward you'll see those same evil softmac cores we all hate so much ;) remixed for 802.11n-final + wimax |
| 13:57.35 | enouf | what's ubuntu? |
| 13:57.50 | Badger | Is there something about [contrib] packages whch means you can't apt-get them? |
| 13:57.55 | abrotman | xingu: be nice if they'd just finish the damn thing :) |
| 13:57.57 | xingu | abrotman: and quite soon on the horizon afterward, a bitrate bump for 802.11n |
| 13:58.00 | wols | enouf: don't add to the noise |
| 13:58.07 | abrotman | Badger: they depend on non-free bits |
| 13:58.08 | enouf | right |
| 13:58.10 | xingu | abrotman: it's basically finished now modulo the fecking csiro |
| 13:58.28 | enouf | i'll gladly fill in the missing please ;-) |
| 13:58.30 | baldurk | hey guys I'm trying to install etch, but whether I boot the netinst iso or boot a system I just installed with debootstrap, I get the same error when starting - "ide-cd cmd 0x5a timed out" and "hda: lost interrupt", then the boot process hangs. hda is my SATA dvd drive, but I know the hardware is fine |
| 13:58.30 | abrotman | xingu: shoot them! |
| 13:58.38 | daidalus13 | hello. Does aybody know what this line mean? It is comming from aptitude dist-upgrade "xfree86-common". The next line is "Conflicts: libgl1 which is a virtual package." I don't need to know exactly what is wrong with the specified package. What I need to know is what this 'but is not installable' mean. |
| 13:58.48 | Badger | abrotman: is there any way to enable them or somesuch? |
| 13:58.50 | xingu | abrotman: a big burst of EMP radiation ought to finish them off :) |
| 13:58.56 | abrotman | !tell Badger about non-free |
| 13:58.59 | wols | !tell baldurk about kmuto |
| 13:59.03 | abrotman | xingu: heh |
| 13:59.04 | daidalus13 | sorry... I need to rephrase... |
| 13:59.13 | abrotman | daidalus13: your dist-upgrade is going poorly ? |
| 13:59.16 | liable | hey! no emp in my part of the woods |
| 13:59.21 | baldurk | thanks wols, I'll look into that now |
| 13:59.26 | abrotman | liable: why> won't affect the sheep |
| 13:59.30 | wols | daidalus13: are you running sarge? |
| 13:59.36 | daidalus13 | abrotman... hi. yes. i am afraid so. |
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| 13:59.53 | abrotman | daidalus13: paste your sources and your error ourput |
| 13:59.55 | abrotman | !paste |
| 13:59.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 14:00.05 | enouf | baldurk: enable AHCI isn the BIOS if present |
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| 14:00.31 | daidalus13 | abrotman. the system works fine, I have a 2.6 kenrel now... but I get errors . Where should I paster the errors (about 7 lines) |
| 14:00.55 | xingu | oh don't get me wrong, they've got a point, but it's bloody annoying because they're not really a commercial entity |
| 14:00.56 | abrotman | daidalus13: see above |
| 14:01.02 | daidalus13 | ok |
| 14:01.12 | enouf | baldurk: if the choices are only RAID and IDE, select RAID, exit saving changes .. and yes, i know you have no raid, but trust me |
| 14:01.37 | Badger | thanks abrotman |
| 14:02.00 | xingu | in the normal world patent trolls [a] and [b] swap patent licenses and crack on with fabbing kit; if someone turns out to have fewer submarine patents than the other guy they license and off you go |
| 14:02.01 | wols | daidalus13: are you running sarge? |
| 14:02.05 | baldurk | ok enouf I'll give that a try first before I burn another cd :) |
| 14:02.14 | baldurk | brb |
| 14:02.22 | daidalus13 | wols: still sarge yes |
| 14:02.33 | xingu | but the csiro ain't playing that game, they seem to be on an anti-patent crusade |
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| 14:03.26 | IronRoses | hey, how do i install apache modules in debian? |
| 14:03.37 | xingu | which is great if you're grant-funded and don't actually have to ever ship, but a bit crap for everyone else who isn't |
| 14:03.45 | IronRoses | whats the phop and myswl modules called |
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| 14:03.48 | IronRoses | *mysql |
| 14:03.51 | abrotman | xingu: they filed suit with a patent claim .. but they are anti-patent ? |
| 14:03.58 | Maulkin | IronRoses: apt-get install libapache[2]-mod-something |
| 14:04.08 | IronRoses | thanks |
| 14:04.13 | Maulkin | and php5-something |
| 14:04.15 | daidalus13 | abrotman: I just pasted a few lines using the http://paste.debian.net/index.php website. Where can I see it? |
| 14:04.15 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php5 and php5-mysql |
| 14:04.17 | xingu | abrotman: part of the point I'm sure is pointing out how broken the system of everyone always violating everyone else's obvious patents is |
| 14:04.19 | enouf | i wonder if the early etch prerelease sata/atapi trick (libata_atapi_enable=1 or similar) might work once again at this point of dealing with the newer hardware |
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| 14:04.42 | abrotman | daidalus13: i think yo forgot to click Send |
| 14:05.09 | abrotman | enouf: nevyn has been saying .. libata_atapi.enabled=1 .. i think |
| 14:05.09 | xingu | abrotman: which is probably the correct thing to do and they've got the leverage to do it but .. law of unintended consequences, dearth of shipping 802.11n kit... grr |
| 14:05.21 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:05.36 | daidalus13 | abrotman.. errr... you are right. I just did. |
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| 14:05.45 | enouf | abrotman: that nick doesn't ring a bell offhand :-/ |
| 14:05.59 | enouf | PM me if needed, i guess |
| 14:06.09 | abrotman | daidalus13: still need your sources |
| 14:06.26 | abrotman | enouf: you'll have to ask nevyn .. i might have misquoted him |
| 14:06.49 | abrotman | enouf: i was worng <nevyn> libata.atapi_enabled=1 |
| 14:06.51 | enouf | abrotman: ok, anyways, it would be libata.atapi_enabled=1 |
| 14:06.56 | abrotman | yay! |
| 14:07.03 | enouf | ;-) |
| 14:07.04 | IronRoses | how do I search for a package in apt |
| 14:07.06 | IronRoses | --s? |
| 14:07.13 | abrotman | apt-cache search |
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| 14:13.18 | xingu | gaah |
| 14:13.26 | xingu | iwlwifi has a _self modifying_ makefile |
| 14:13.39 | daidalus13 | abrotman, wols: http://paste.debian.net/48853 and 48854. Have a look if you like. Thanks. |
| 14:14.28 | liable | compat scripts |
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| 14:15.48 | raviolllo | hi all |
| 14:15.59 | DarenM | hi! |
| 14:16.02 | baldurk | enouf: I switched the BIOS to AHCI mode, and it worked. I had to change references to hde, but it works now. Thanks a lot! Will I have to leave that setting on? |
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| 14:16.46 | wald0 | abrotman: im just got kicked and banned from #ubuntu :/ |
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| 14:17.26 | enouf | baldurk: yes, that should be good |
| 14:17.33 | wols | baldurk: are you dual booting? |
| 14:17.36 | wald0 | abrotman: just becuase i have reply "im not asking about a anal problem but to a legal problem" to his previous answer "because ubuntu is not anal like debian about logos" |
| 14:17.55 | enouf | baldurk: thanks for coming bask with the followup - can you tell me your Make and Model ? |
| 14:18.02 | enouf | s/bask/back |
| 14:18.06 | baldurk | yes I'm dual booting |
| 14:18.21 | baldurk | enouf: no problem, it's the least I can do |
| 14:18.31 | wald0 | that's so stupid... |
| 14:18.35 | baldurk | the motherboard is a gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R |
| 14:18.53 | wols | baldurk: then you got a (slight) problam: since windows XP doesn't like AHCI too much. it works when youz install via AHCI but not as ewll if you want to change it afterwards |
| 14:19.16 | wols | AHCI however is better to use if you can |
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| 14:19.26 | baldurk | typical, windows is never very happy about even the slightest hardware change :/ |
| 14:19.35 | baldurk | I might just reinstall windows |
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| 14:19.42 | baldurk | it's probably easiest |
| 14:19.44 | enouf | baldurk: i don;t know so well about windows, so atleast hear out what wols is saying |
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| 14:20.29 | enouf | baldurk: ok, thanks for the info |
| 14:20.48 | baldurk | np |
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| 14:20.58 | enouf | baldurk: you can read a bit about all of this at linux-ata.org |
| 14:21.17 | baldurk | sure |
| 14:21.29 | wols | baldurk: I have GA-P35-DS3 |
| 14:21.32 | baldurk | presumably it's not a lack of hardware support, since I did have a working kernel before trying to install debian |
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| 14:21.44 | daidalus13 | abrotman, wols: my paste nos are 48853 and 48854. |
| 14:21.55 | wols | and it won't boot (SATA disks only, PATA opticals) with etch kernels. kmuto however is fine |
| 14:22.06 | wols | then it doesn't need AHCI |
| 14:22.16 | wols | so if you use a backport now, it will work in both |
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| 14:22.29 | baldurk | ah interesting |
| 14:22.43 | baldurk | I have IDE hard disks and SATA dvd drive |
| 14:23.02 | baldurk | like you say though, it might be a good idea to leave AHCI on |
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| 14:24.39 | baldurk | anyway I guess it's time to go set up my system proper. Thanks again for all your help |
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| 14:24.50 | Olliander | Hi folks. |
| 14:25.15 | wols | Badger: with IDE drives AHCI is irrelevnat |
| 14:25.20 | wols | no NCQ support there |
| 14:25.30 | Olliander | I've a prob with my fresh installed Debian Sid.. gnome-power-manager thinks, that I've got two batteries in my NB, but there's just one... |
| 14:25.33 | wols | so get a backported kernel instead |
| 14:25.50 | jim | umm, why sid? |
| 14:25.51 | dutchfish | hi, i was asked to recreate a dvd from one of my friends. It has bad subtitles (the translation is wrong in many aspects, and is out of sync all together), i know how to handle qdvdauthor, because i used it for my vacations movies. I have prepared a correct subtitle with gaupol. However i have no clue how to subtract the video files from the dvd in a format thats suitable for qdvdauthor without loosing quality. How to do that? |
| 14:25.51 | wols | Olliander: welcome to sid |
| 14:26.00 | Olliander | Hi wols, hi jim. |
| 14:26.12 | IronRoses | how do I create a php page in shell? |
| 14:26.17 | Olliander | jim: Because I've used Sid several times, and I'm pleased with it so far. ;) |
| 14:26.26 | jim | you're in a desert, you can't see anyone for miles... |
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| 14:26.50 | jim | oh, that's not a person coming, just a dust storm... cover your head and wait it out |
| 14:27.00 | jim | welcome to sid support |
| 14:27.04 | abrotman | where'd he go ? |
| 14:27.07 | Olliander | Thx dude. ^^ |
| 14:27.09 | IronRoses | how do i create a webpage in php in the shell? |
| 14:27.11 | theatro | IronRoses, you mean interactive? |
| 14:27.11 | xingu | enouf: fyi upstream is attached to changes to mac80211 layer too; I gather, to permit softmac offload of wep/tkp/ccmp |
| 14:27.22 | IronRoses | well, I ned to test the php side of apache |
| 14:27.35 | jim | Olliander: sid is just another name for man whatever |
| 14:27.36 | IronRoses | more like the php module |
| 14:27.44 | Olliander | Hm. |
| 14:27.55 | jim | just say the name and be happy learning... |
| 14:28.01 | xingu | enouf: I think I'll be lazy and give up for now |
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| 14:28.03 | jim | on your own, as you have chosen to do |
| 14:28.08 | IronRoses | well? |
| 14:28.10 | theatro | IronRoses, I believe you need to try a php-able browser, I dont know any that run on a shell without graphics for that |
| 14:28.20 | IronRoses | ok |
| 14:28.21 | xingu | enouf: I'd have to update mac80211 and that's more poo than I want to get into just at the minute |
| 14:28.35 | jim | broswer run php now? |
| 14:28.46 | liable | xingu: just build a 24 kernel |
| 14:28.59 | jim | wundrfl. |
| 14:29.20 | xingu | liable: talking about post-2.6.24 changes to iwlwifi; so that its head gets less baked across s2ram/resume |
| 14:29.27 | enouf | xingu: you're almost speaking chinese algebra to me - /me no wifi guy ;-) .. but yeah, i ran into a few having issues selecting mac80211 (whatever that is) in new .24 and using iwl ... ugh |
| 14:29.45 | theatro | jim, you are right, I am sorry |
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| 14:29.58 | theatro | I didnt think |
| 14:30.12 | jim | well it's possible |
| 14:30.27 | xingu | liable: it's almost certainly 2.6.25-merge material from a quick look; until then I suspect it's going to stay busted in at least my case |
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| 14:30.30 | jim | I just wonder why they would do it |
| 14:30.56 | liable | xingu: oh, i havent seen those patches, though i havent been reading that list email very attentively lately |
| 14:31.02 | xingu | although I do quite like the idea of wep offload too ;) |
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| 14:31.21 | theatro | IronRoses, do you have lynx installed? |
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| 14:31.28 | IronRoses | yes |
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| 14:31.51 | theatro | point it to a php page you host on that server |
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| 14:32.05 | xingu | liable: looking at upstream iwl 1.2.25 upstream; kernel is still 1.1.17 |
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| 14:32.13 | IronRoses | I'm setting the whole thing up now so there areno php page on it yet |
| 14:32.15 | xingu | liable: large-ish changes between them |
| 14:32.38 | theatro | just make a simple <? echo something > |
| 14:32.58 | IronRoses | but how, I can't do that without a web design pp |
| 14:33.07 | theatro | err |
| 14:33.09 | liable | xingu: i usually build wireless-2.6 git, but i just built a 24, but seeing as i am still too lazy to get suspend working, i dont have your problem |
| 14:33.09 | IronRoses | I'm in shell man and have no desktop installed |
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| 14:33.20 | theatro | vim hello.php |
| 14:33.51 | CyberMad | i already setup ldap on debian, how to test it? to make sure it works.. |
| 14:33.58 | liable | xingu: wireless-2.6 is usually easier than fucking around with intels source, when the get around to pushing patches to linville |
| 14:33.59 | CyberMad | because i tried configure opensource project (OpenFiler) connect to LDAP and looks like doesn't work |
| 14:34.06 | IronRoses | dammit,i hate vim how do i quit it? |
| 14:34.31 | theatro | esc, then :wq |
| 14:34.53 | IronRoses | well? |
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| 14:34.59 | Bushmills | or esc :q! for not saving |
| 14:35.02 | IronRoses | how do i quit out of vim? |
| 14:35.14 | trebor_home | hi. i am new to debian. i just installed it on a macbook. most things do not work properly (touchpad, wlan, webcam, external monitor). is debconf ok in order to configure an externam monitor? |
| 14:35.26 | theatro | did you write your <php print ... > test file? |
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| 14:37.57 | did | How do I start (run) a program from commandline? (in particular I want to run iceweasel from commandline) |
| 14:38.13 | did | I'm a noob (in case it wasn't obvious) |
| 14:38.16 | theatro | type iceweasel and hit enter |
| 14:39.13 | did | thx :-) |
| 14:39.19 | theatro | if you type echo $PATH you will see a list of directories that contain all the programs available to you |
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| 14:39.48 | did | VERY good to know ... thx much ... any other advice for a noob? |
| 14:39.53 | theatro | yes |
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| 14:39.57 | theatro | RTFM |
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| 14:40.09 | trebor_home | does anyone else use debian on a macbook? |
| 14:40.22 | did | i get it ... thx :) |
| 14:40.35 | pumpkin0 | [etch]: gimp can only open raw file if i first delete ~/.gimp2-2. Why ? |
| 14:40.37 | Cyllene | Hi everyone. On Debian Etch when I create new accounts with "useradd" the account has an expiry date of... today by default. |
| 14:40.43 | Cyllene | Does anyone know how to change this? |
| 14:40.55 | Cyllene | (I am talking about the account expiry not the password expiry) |
| 14:40.58 | jim | did: look at the overall dir structure of a linux, also, learn the shell |
| 14:41.42 | theatro | did, http://tldp.org/guides.html this will help a lot |
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| 14:41.58 | enouf | Cyllene: see what /etc/default/useradd says if anything related |
| 14:42.19 | enouf | did: this is a good start linuxcommand.org |
| 14:42.23 | bolt | god dammit. I am trying to connect to a wpa network, and it's key is 63 characters. the key contains a \, which I must escape, however that makes the string 64 characters, and wpa_passphrase refuses to create the hash! i tried removing another character, and then it would take it. without the escape, tough, i get "bash !" event not found. how can I make this work? (without altering the passphrase"? |
| 14:42.31 | did | awesome, thx all :) |
| 14:42.43 | lleksah | did, you'd probably want to type iceweasel & |
| 14:42.54 | jim | did: what do you want to do anyway? longterm |
| 14:43.33 | enouf | xingu: i know basically about wep/wpa/tkp .. but can you briefly describe this softmac thing you speakof? i'm guessing it's rom, or blob related? |
| 14:44.03 | did | I want to be a proficient linux user ... I'm not a programmer. The only code I know is html (writing it in a text editor) |
| 14:44.27 | Cyllene | enouf: In the comments of that file it says: |
| 14:44.33 | Cyllene | # The default expire date |
| 14:44.33 | Cyllene | # EXPIRE= |
| 14:44.39 | enouf | trebor_home: the only thing i know is this related wiki page http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro?highlight=%28macbook%29 |
| 14:44.48 | Cyllene | It does not specify whether or not that is an account expiry or password expiry |
| 14:44.58 | jim | did: then you at least want to be conversant with the shell |
| 14:45.07 | enouf | it's commented anyways |
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| 14:45.36 | Cyllene | enouf: Not down below. ;) |
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| 14:46.15 | jim | why buy mac hardware and then run linux on it? |
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| 14:46.38 | lleksah | cuz linux rocks |
| 14:46.39 | jim | point being mac hardware is overpriced |
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| 14:47.10 | jim | why buy something for more money than it's worth if you're not going to run the software that runs on a mac? |
| 14:47.24 | bolt | hm.. let me rephrase that. my WPA passphrase has an exclamation mark in it. when I try to parse it with wpa_passphrase, I get an error from bash saying the ! even was not found. if I add \ before it to escape it, wpa_passphrase says the key is too long, because it includes the escape character in the character count. i guess i must make bash ignore ! in the first place to get this to work. is that doable? |
| 14:47.39 | akuwamari | i need to configure wireless WPA Personal |
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| 14:50.55 | IronRoses | dammit, I have been away from linux to long |
| 14:51.03 | IronRoses | wheres the xorg config file found? |
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| 14:51.21 | enouf | !drxx |
| 14:51.21 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 14:51.23 | lleksah | hey does someone know where are the files downloaded by apt-get install -d ? |
| 14:51.42 | enouf | actually thuogh it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 14:51.48 | lleksah | (i'm talking about the .deb) |
| 14:51.55 | abrotman | lleksah: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 14:52.06 | enouf | not $PWD ? |
| 14:52.13 | enouf | oh .. duh |
| 14:52.36 | lleksah | thx abrotman :] |
| 14:52.55 | lleksah | it seems like I need to issue an apt-get clean very soon |
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| 14:52.59 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:53.10 | enouf | autoclean :-p |
| 14:53.40 | lleksah | what's the difference between clean and autoclean :o ? |
| 14:53.50 | enouf | man apt-get :-) |
| 14:54.16 | lleksah | well yeah i've got "similar to clean, but removes information only on packages that can no longer be downloaded" |
| 14:54.22 | lleksah | in a book though |
| 14:54.22 | baldurk | I have another problem I'm afraid. Although the module for my NIC (r8169) inserts, and outputs messages to dmesg that it's identified the NIC, I don't get any eth* devices appearing in /dev. I'm using udev, and I'm not sure if it's possible to manually create the device anymore (I haven't had to mess about with devices since they were plain files) |
| 14:54.49 | abrotman | lleksah: if the package is no longer available in the archives .. it would remove it |
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| 14:55.11 | enouf | baldurk: no eth in /dev |
| 14:55.31 | enouf | baldurk: use ifconfig -a, man interface, /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 14:55.36 | lleksah | alright let's do this |
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| 14:56.11 | jim | network interfaces (like eth0, etc) are not in /dev, they're not anywhere in a file system |
| 14:56.27 | enouf | baldurk: it's all udev rules now - /msg dpkg z25 , udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/ethX |
| 14:57.02 | baldurk | oh right, heh. I'm rather out of touch it seems |
| 14:57.13 | jim | hmm meetoo |
| 14:57.22 | did | I just installed Debian 4.0 rev-0 but did not install the Desktop Environment... I selected *Laptop and * Standard System, but NOT *Desktop. I am booting to commandline. |
| 14:57.24 | did | $PATH says "bash: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:..." $path gives me nothing. |
| 14:57.45 | did | I am signed in as root |
| 14:57.46 | enouf | and? |
| 14:57.53 | jim | right, the variable names are case sensitive |
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| 14:58.06 | jim | hmm, here's a research project for ya |
| 14:58.19 | jim | did: before installing more stuff |
| 14:58.41 | jim | look at that $PATH and what are those things between the :s? |
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| 14:58.58 | baldurk | ok I'm going to go try that stuff, thanks |
| 14:59.11 | did | they are paths |
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| 15:00.01 | lleksah | who actually use dselect in here ? |
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| 15:00.47 | liable | jetscreamer is about the only person masochistic enough afaik |
| 15:00.54 | lleksah | yeah i could bet it :) |
| 15:01.14 | jim | did: yes. to what? |
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| 15:02.16 | did | jim: paths to where all the programs are that are available to me? So it doesn't list the programs, just the paths to where the programs are? |
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| 15:02.28 | muh2000 | hmmm how to switch from lilo -> grub? kernel install still wants lilo :/ |
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| 15:03.09 | jim | did: correct... so this means for example... you could have a dir in your home dir where you put programs |
| 15:03.21 | jim | and you could have the path to that dir in $PATH |
| 15:03.52 | jim | (if it were not for having the path in $PATH, how would you run them?) |
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| 15:04.08 | IronRoses | whats the package name for xorg fonts? |
| 15:04.28 | bolt | How can I make bash ignore exclamation marks within quotes in a command? I can't add backslashes. |
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| 15:04.55 | jim | use ' ... ' |
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| 15:06.33 | bolt | jim: the text in the quotes conains both an exclamation mark and a ' :/ |
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| 15:07.01 | IronRoses | why can't xorg find any fonts? |
| 15:07.16 | dusty_ | Hey guys, does anyone use debian etch with the ATI Radeon x700 graphics card? |
| 15:07.26 | bolt | jim: i am trying to set a variable to this now. like i want VAR to be "foo'bar!" without the quotes. is that doable? |
| 15:07.29 | dusty_ | IronRoses, perhaps none installed? wronmg paths in the xorg.conf file. |
| 15:08.20 | jim | bolt: yes, I think it is possible to set a variable to that |
| 15:08.53 | jim | but recognize that as you put that variable onto a new command line. you might need quoting there |
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| 15:10.10 | jim | you might want to use " chars and have something insert backslashes before the ! |
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| 15:11.05 | jim | I know I'm not thinking of this correctly... but it's where I would start with my experimentation to get it going |
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| 15:15.08 | lleksah | <slifty> Your mom is so fat she sat on a binary tree and turned it into a linked list in constant time! |
| 15:15.12 | lleksah | woaw |
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| 15:22.07 | did | jim: when I enter 'iceweasel' ... i get '(firefox-bin:3024): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:' |
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| 15:24.13 | jim | did: so you have an environment variable ($PATH is one too) called $DISPLAY which isn't set to the x display to use |
| 15:25.26 | jim | did: anyway... if you look in the dirs specified by the paths in $PATH you will find executables in there... see what you can do to find out more about each one |
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| 15:26.55 | DawnLight | hello. should there be a problem with sending a support request message to two different mailing lists? for example, to debian-user@lists.debian.org and exim-users@exim.org? |
| 15:27.05 | jim | did: gotta go... but the next question for you to ponder is "why is $DISPLAY not set" |
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| 15:27.34 | did | do I necessarily need to install 'gdm' first ... thus far I have no graphical environment ... it it okay for me not to have a graphical environment? |
| 15:27.56 | jim | sure |
| 15:28.21 | jim | you don't need one if you dont want one... you might want a window mgr tho |
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| 15:29.10 | did | but that has nothing to do with my not being able to open iceweasel ... or "why $DISPLAY is not set"? |
| 15:29.25 | wols | did: is X installed? |
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| 15:29.54 | jim | (so, another question... what is a window manager? what's the difference if you doh't use one?" |
| 15:29.57 | jim | ) |
| 15:30.08 | wols | jim: you don't have any window decorations |
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| 15:30.24 | hoxu | jim, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager |
| 15:30.24 | wols | you cannot even (easily) move a window. all windows will start at 0,0 |
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| 15:30.36 | jim | wols: that's for did to check out |
| 15:30.42 | wols | if you isntall xorg. you have at least twm |
| 15:30.43 | did | wols: I don't know (how do I find out?) ... and what is 'X' |
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| 15:31.08 | wols | did: dpkg -l |grep xserver |
| 15:31.15 | jim | did: excellent question! answer is a very good read: man X |
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| 15:31.45 | nepbabu | jim, there is no such thing as 'man x' |
| 15:31.55 | nepbabu | did, man xorg |
| 15:32.29 | jim | nepbabu: did you know that unix is generally case sensitive? did you know I did not say "man x"? |
| 15:32.55 | jim | nepbabu: same comment to you |
| 15:33.00 | nepbabu | ok |
| 15:33.29 | did | I am running 'apt-get install man xorg' |
| 15:33.38 | wols | did: that is total nonsense |
| 15:33.50 | jim | did: man xorg is not what I recommend, however I've never seen it. I still recommend man X |
| 15:33.53 | wols | while it will work, it won't work the way you want it |
| 15:34.12 | wols | !tell did about install xorg |
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| 15:34.37 | did | I'm intrigued :-) |
| 15:34.44 | enouf | wols: heh, fwiw, from earlier concerning that gigabyte board mentioned http://techgage.com/print/gigabyte_ga-p35c-ds3r nice cmos images even |
| 15:34.46 | jim | this is -not- apt-get install man xorg, it's man X |
| 15:35.07 | did | how do I undo it once it is done? |
| 15:35.18 | jim | not sure what it did :) |
| 15:35.24 | jim | probably you installed man |
| 15:35.29 | jim | which is ok |
| 15:36.35 | did | it's done, (whatever "it" is) ... should I undo it? The only screen it gave me was to ask me for the 'Video modes to be used by the X server:' |
| 15:37.00 | wols | did: you should not undo anything |
| 15:37.19 | wols | enouf: it's a good board. fast, very overclockable but takes a long time to boot, especially in ahci |
| 15:37.43 | wols | did: dpkg wrote you a PM. did you follow it? |
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| 15:38.21 | legendi | re |
| 15:38.34 | jim | before he does that, maybe it would be a good idea for him to see what it is overall and see if he even wants that |
| 15:38.50 | jim | likely yes |
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| 15:38.56 | legendi | I wanna install bugzilla on my debian, but it gives me this error: http://roante.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi |
| 15:38.59 | jim | but let him decide |
| 15:39.06 | legendi | any tips what's the problem? |
| 15:39.20 | legendi | checksetup.pl says everything is ok... |
| 15:39.57 | jim | did: try man X |
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| 15:40.28 | jim | (not apt-get install man X, -just- man X) |
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| 15:41.08 | legendi | I guess my available-site config for bugzilla is bad, but there're only 2 small examples in the docs |
| 15:41.15 | did | I entered 'man X' and got 'No manual entry for X', 'See man 7 undocumented for help when manual pages are not available' |
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| 15:44.02 | enouf | wols: i thought i had seen the last of combo-DIMM family boards (the intels had 2 slots for DDR, and two for DDR2 come to mind) .. and even though ddr2 is much cheaper than it's predecessors, i don't see the point - especially since you'd need 4GB modules of ddr3 to match what the quantity the other 4 slots of ddr2 could get |
| 15:44.08 | jim | let me see, I'm getting the same thing right now |
| 15:45.02 | ricksie | Hello I have accidentally asked aptitude to remove some packages that I don't really want removed. The system has since restarted and every time i say upgrade it asks to remove them. Is there anyway of undoing my stupidity - aside from always saying no when asked? |
| 15:45.07 | vins | hi do you know why some png don't work on mencoder and others do ? |
| 15:45.08 | enouf | wols: that said, it looks strong/rugged .. well layed out, and is cheaper by far than the comparable asus p |
| 15:45.13 | enouf | 35 offerings |
| 15:45.21 | ricksie | Half my tex is missing it's not my day |
| 15:45.36 | enouf | <bad enter key .. bad> |
| 15:45.52 | ricksie | Hello I have accidentally asked aptitude to remove some packages that I don't really want removed. The system has since restarted and every time i say upgrade it asks to remove them. Is there anyway of undoing my stupidity - aside from always saying no when asked? |
| 15:45.58 | ricksie | That's better |
| 15:46.32 | ricksie | It's quite a high number to manually reinstall 48 |
| 15:46.55 | vins | no idea ? :) |
| 15:47.01 | jim | did: apt-get install xorg-docs |
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| 15:47.18 | did | jim: okay |
| 15:47.58 | enouf | ricksie: apt-get install aptitude-doc-en (for english) |
| 15:48.03 | jim | when that's done, try man X again |
| 15:48.04 | did | jim: will I need to apt-get install openoffice.org-writer in order to open them and read them? |
| 15:48.11 | jim | no |
| 15:48.15 | enouf | hehe |
| 15:48.18 | jim | just man X |
| 15:48.23 | wols | enouf: I have the GA P35-DS9. only DDR2 here. mine is the budgets board of choice if you still want a good fast board |
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| 15:48.39 | enouf | ahh.. i see wols , sure |
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| 15:49.09 | wols | raid on a mobo is a waste of money imho |
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| 15:49.46 | ricksie | jim thanks this is areal pain :( |
| 15:49.49 | did | jim: cool... at least something is happening, now. I get a description of what X(7) is and some stuff about X.Org Foundation. |
| 15:49.55 | ricksie | enouf I meant you |
| 15:50.13 | enouf | np |
| 15:50.23 | enouf | wols: indeed |
| 15:50.46 | enouf | wols: almost all consumer boards even have it - ya know, raid is 1337 |
| 15:50.53 | jim | did: excellent... keep reading :) |
| 15:50.58 | jim | it's not too long |
| 15:51.15 | did | jim: i gotta go. thx so much for all your help. you gave me a lot of leads for my research. I'll read this over later today. |
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| 15:51.25 | jim | good |
| 15:51.26 | did | and thx everyone else, also :-) |
| 15:51.33 | enouf | a reader? amazing ;-) |
| 15:51.48 | jim | yawell... he wanted to know |
| 15:52.05 | enouf | !be a reading barbie |
| 15:52.05 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 15:52.10 | enouf | :-p |
| 15:52.21 | wols | enouf: he won't understand a thing |
| 15:52.25 | jim | !be a shopping barbie |
| 15:52.25 | dpkg | Aww, shopping is HARD! Let's go shopping, jim |
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| 15:52.41 | enouf | !be a enouf barbie |
| 15:52.42 | dpkg | Aww, enouf is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 15:52.48 | enouf | O_o |
| 15:52.57 | hoxu | !rack enouf |
| 15:53.18 | enouf | noooo .. not the penixstrike .. /me runs |
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| 15:55.43 | LMZ | hello to all! |
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| 15:56.29 | LMZ | can't understand why at depends of mail transport: http://packages.debian.org/etch/at |
| 15:56.45 | jim | could it be because it sends mail??! |
| 15:56.50 | heanol_ | probably? |
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| 15:57.18 | LMZ | " |
| 15:57.18 | LMZ | Delayed job execution and batch processing |
| 15:57.18 | LMZ | At and batch read shell commands from standard input storing them as a job to be scheduled for execution in the future. |
| 15:57.18 | LMZ | Use |
| 15:57.18 | LMZ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:57.52 | jim | we know what it does |
| 15:58.01 | hoxu | LMZ, ability to deliver at least local mail is kind of assumption on nix systems... |
| 15:58.02 | heanol_ | probably mails output, like cron |
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| 15:58.19 | jim | now you read more of that... and tell us what happens when a command run by at outputs something |
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| 15:58.46 | pothibo | how can I resize a partition on debian ? |
| 15:58.55 | hoxu | jim, my belief is that it's stored securely at /dev/null |
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| 15:59.19 | LMZ | i understood =) but when i've done aptitude purge exim4, at remain broken |
| 15:59.35 | LMZ | what i can do to "repair" situation? |
| 15:59.43 | hoxu | pothibo, gparted can probably do it, or low level utils like fdisk/sfdisk/cfdisk if you want to twiddle by hand, then resize2fs or whatever filesystem you are using |
| 15:59.45 | jim | install a mail transport agent |
| 15:59.53 | jim | (nullmailer is one) |
| 15:59.55 | LMZ | i don't need it |
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| 16:00.26 | hoxu | pothibo, I meant parted, but yeah... gparted or qtparted can prolly do it |
| 16:00.32 | trebor_home | how do i configure an external monitor for my laptop (macbook -> mini-dvi -> dvi -> hdmi)? |
| 16:00.45 | hoxu | LMZ, you don't need it, a package needs it, duh ! |
| 16:01.16 | LMZ | <hoxu>, ok thanks |
| 16:01.27 | danand | pothibo - use gparted - its very simple to use. Don't forget to make backups of important data first though |
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| 16:05.40 | liable | looks fun |
| 16:06.49 | pothibo | Alright tyvm, well.. my Debian install has no GUI |
| 16:06.56 | pothibo | so parted will do it |
| 16:07.12 | ACe_maC | ny1 direct me to trading channels pm me |
| 16:07.16 | broadcaster | hi. it looks like KDE prevents hal from creating a device on my system. how can i find out why? it works when kde is not running, but if i start kde after that, i get hal-messages in syslog saying the device was removed. |
| 16:07.18 | valdyn | !ne1 |
| 16:07.19 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
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| 16:09.03 | eth01 | hmm? |
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| 16:11.42 | Spee_Der | Mooooo |
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| 16:14.36 | PetoKraus | hello. Is there a way how to globally configure make to compile on both CPU's? |
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| 16:15.48 | valdyn | PetoKraus: alias make make -j2 |
| 16:16.01 | PetoKraus | hmm |
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| 16:16.04 | valdyn | PetoKraus: that will break some builds though |
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| 16:16.16 | PetoKraus | how? |
| 16:16.26 | PetoKraus | isn't there something like make.conf? |
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| 16:17.00 | valdyn | PetoKraus: thats not that unusual, there.s no ls.conf or mv.conf either |
| 16:17.10 | broadcaster | does anybody in here have a clue how kde prevents my udev from creating a mass storage deive for my digicam? (it work's on another PC with debian, i guess it is a configuration issue.) |
| 16:17.24 | PetoKraus | aha... weird... |
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| 16:18.20 | TrueDD_ | Hi all |
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| 16:18.53 | Spee_Der | Hello True |
| 16:20.12 | TrueDD_ | hello Spee_Der |
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| 16:21.29 | Spee_Der | Well, I tried lenny, but give up for now. Back using etch and IPv6 for the time being.... |
| 16:21.55 | Spee_Der | How's things True ? |
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| 16:25.03 | TrueDD_ | I tried to upgrade my etch to lenny ... |
| 16:25.27 | TrueDD_ | now, all my system is broken |
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| 16:26.07 | enouf | broadcaster: i would mess about in k control center |
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| 16:26.45 | enouf | broadcaster: is udevd running? ps aux | grep udevd will tell you |
| 16:26.57 | enouf | how about hald, etc |
| 16:27.16 | enouf | TrueDD_: boo |
| 16:27.19 | broadcaster | enouf: udev is definitly running |
| 16:27.26 | TrueDD_ | hi enouf :) |
| 16:27.28 | Spee_Der | TrueDD_, that's what I went through. I had Lenny working fine, until I added more stuff, then P-O-O-F ! Gone. So for now, I'm stuck on Etch until next weekend. |
| 16:27.34 | enouf | hola TrueDD_ |
| 16:27.35 | TrueDD_ | how are you |
| 16:27.35 | dpkg | peachy, TrueDD_ |
| 16:27.37 | broadcaster | enouf: actually, everything is working fine (usb-sticks e.g.) |
| 16:27.46 | TrueDD_ | hi dpkg |
| 16:28.10 | Spee_Der | TrueDD_, I will just build another computer next weekend and put just Lenny on that. |
| 16:28.29 | enouf | broadcaster: well, yuo got ubuntu or a 2.4 kernel there then :-P |
| 16:28.37 | broadcaster | enouf: the camera is recognized as PTP and mass storage device, when kde is not running. i might have some file-system issues there, but that shouldn't stop udev from creating /dev/sda1 |
| 16:28.56 | enouf | i already answered that |
| 16:28.56 | broadcaster | enouf: nope, this is debian testing... |
| 16:29.03 | enouf | see above |
| 16:29.17 | broadcaster | enouf: what are you referring to? |
| 16:29.25 | enouf | my first comment to you |
| 16:29.35 | broadcaster | kontrolcenter? |
| 16:29.44 | enouf | close, but no cigar |
| 16:30.18 | broadcaster | erm, i think i was isconnected before that, which is why i repeated my question... did you answer to the first one? |
| 16:30.22 | TrueDD_ | Spee_Der, the lenny you had, It was un etch upgraded ? |
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| 16:30.32 | enouf | [11:23:36] <enouf> broadcaster: i would mess about in k control center |
| 16:30.33 | TrueDD_ | s/un/an/ |
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| 16:31.22 | broadcaster | enouf: ok then, what should i check there? |
| 16:31.31 | enouf | broadcaster: just like gnome, kde has it's own "volume manager" of sorts, which one can configure - set it up correctly, i guess |
| 16:31.43 | enouf | it likely uses pmount too |
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| 16:33.29 | enouf | broadcaster: if you want to do that use kdesu |
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| 16:33.46 | gladiatr | hey all |
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| 16:34.44 | abrotman | TrueDD_: OMG .. you said something! |
| 16:35.30 | broadcaster | enouf: even as root there is nothing interesting in the devices section, just the handling of deices, i.e. i can define what to do when such and such a device appears. but i don't have the device. in syslog it says "waiting for device to settle before scanning", and that's all. if i shut down kde, the message appears, but shortly after i get dev/sda created... |
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| 16:36.13 | Spee_Der | TrueDD_, I d/lded the netinst and burned cd. Greatm, fast install and all that. Worked great, but after installing a gazillion things I needed/wanted, POOF ! Gone. Locked up on re-boot. |
| 16:36.16 | TrueDD_ | abrotman, yes, I do sometimes :) |
| 16:36.26 | abrotman | LIES! |
| 16:36.42 | TrueDD_ | lies ? |
| 16:37.53 | broadcaster | ...as i have networkmanager running i can see some hal-debug-messages. hal tells me that a new device is added -> the ptp camera. but the mass storage device just doesn't appear. i have not found anything in kcontrol to chage this behaviour |
| 16:37.58 | Spee_Der | Hi ya glad. |
| 16:38.42 | Spee_Der | I'm also having a heck of a time making Xephem work. I can't get past make MOTIF= statement |
| 16:40.38 | enouf | broadcaster: try as root udevcontrol reload_rules -- also, if no go udevtrigger --verbose .. and i have no idea what a ptp is |
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| 16:41.15 | enouf | dmesg and udevmonitor are better |
| 16:41.28 | broadcaster | enouf: PTP is just a protocoll some digicams speak. |
| 16:41.53 | enouf | kdigicam? |
| 16:43.12 | abrotman | broadcaster: most cameras that do PTP have a switch to go to another mode |
| 16:43.56 | broadcaster | abrotman: i know. that's why i set it to "PC mode" which - on my other PC creates two devices - one PTP and one MASS STORAGE. |
| 16:44.12 | Spee_Der | TrueDD, I'm sticking with Etch on this machine for now. Next wknd I'll build another machine just for the Lenny distro and take it from there. In the meantime I'l hang my dyslexic keyboard here..... |
| 16:44.15 | broadcaster | abrotman: this used to work on my notebook also, but stopped some time ago |
| 16:44.20 | enouf | tell kde to not try and mount/communicate with it .. the section you found isn't the one i mean, iirc |
| 16:44.56 | broadcaster | enouf: you mean digiKam. digiKam does speak PTP, but it doesn't work well. i prefer mass storage. |
| 16:45.01 | abrotman | broadcaster: does dmesg do anything useful ? |
| 16:45.08 | enouf | and i am not firing up that bloated control center to find the option i mean - go whine to kde devs about how big and bloated even their control center is |
| 16:45.37 | TrueDD | Spee_Der, ok ... I think I'll do that too |
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| 16:46.12 | Spee_Der | TrueDD, that way I can kill the other machine many times and still have a stable to work with.... It's just easier. |
| 16:46.15 | broadcaster | abrotman: as i have networkmanager running, i get some extra debug messages about hal. so: yes, my syslog is useful. it tells me that /dev/sda1 is not created, as it doesn't mention it. |
| 16:46.33 | broadcaster | enouf: you're right about kcontrol |
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| 16:46.45 | abrotman | broadcaster: your kernel or debian's ? |
| 16:46.59 | broadcaster | abrotmean: P? |
| 16:47.10 | broadcaster | btw, reload_rules didn't help |
| 16:47.12 | enouf | broadcaster: there's a section which tells it what behaviour to do upon newly inserted removable devices, like even CD insertion |
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| 16:47.18 | ryan___ | if i want to save a kernel for use on another system (exact same specs), what files do i require? vmlinuz, systemmap, config, initrd, and all the modules? or wold it be better to just copy the config and build the kernel locally on the other system? |
| 16:47.33 | terver | how /etc/debian_version get updated? i have installed iceowl from sid and it was 'lenny/sid' then i uninstalled it and it's still 'lenny/sid', is it safe to manually edit it? |
| 16:47.55 | enouf | heh |
| 16:48.45 | broadcaster | ryan___: easiest way is to cope /boot |
| 16:48.48 | ryan___ | or...can i just copy the kernel .deb package and dpkg -i that? |
| 16:48.51 | enouf | ryan___: just install linux-image-version on new system |
| 16:49.06 | broadcaster | enouf: what should udevtrigger --verbose do? i get a list of devices... |
| 16:49.16 | Hoxzer | Anything wrong with testing and gdm ? |
| 16:49.22 | abrotman | broadcaster: i meant .. did oyu compile your own kernel? |
| 16:49.24 | enouf | broadcaster: it does what it seems, man udevtrigger |
| 16:49.24 | hoxu | terver, it's in base-files package, might be too late to go back to etch now |
| 16:49.59 | terver | heh, thanks hoxu |
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| 16:50.21 | broadcaster | abrotman: yes, i have 2.6.24 atm and will change to 2.6.24.1 on next reboot. ;) but as i said: usb-sticks work fine, and the mass storage device (which the camera is) appears when kde is not running. |
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| 16:50.35 | enouf | i would think it woud be in the libc6 pkg, but ok |
| 16:50.39 | abrotman | broadcaster: so it's a KDE problem ? |
| 16:51.02 | broadcaster | abrotman: more or less |
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| 16:51.16 | broadcaster | abrotman: don't tell me to go ask in #kde |
| 16:51.17 | abrotman | bah .. kde problem .. i'm out :) |
| 16:51.23 | enouf | haha |
| 16:51.26 | broadcaster | *knockmaheadonthewall* |
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| 16:52.01 | broadcaster | at first i thought here is something like a device-ignore-list for kde, but i greped in .kde and couldn't find anything |
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| 16:52.09 | broadcaster | at least not the usb-device-id |
| 16:52.18 | broadcaster | or "sda" |
| 16:52.24 | ohcibi|lapp1 | hi folks... how can i abort the installer, i wanted to configure my packages and hit enter to get into the desktop environment menu, but instead of that the installer starts downloading the files.... strg+c doesnt work |
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| 16:53.37 | enouf | alt-f2 |
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| 16:56.34 | jetscreamer | ohcibi|lapp1: just let it go on and finish |
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| 16:56.41 | jetscreamer | there is no ctrl c |
| 16:57.08 | Hoxzer | Any problems with Testing and Xorg/gdm ? |
| 16:57.21 | wols | lots. it's testing |
| 16:57.26 | trebor_home | how do i configure a second monitor for a notebook? |
| 16:57.35 | jetscreamer | none |
| 16:57.38 | jetscreamer | it's tested |
| 16:57.58 | jetscreamer | in the usual fashion, trebor_home .. edit xorg.conf |
| 16:57.59 | Hoxzer | aarhg, what is this then Suddenly just stopped wroking |
| 16:58.14 | jetscreamer | did it? |
| 16:58.28 | wols | !xinerama |
| 16:58.29 | dpkg | methinks xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html |
| 16:58.29 | jetscreamer | what gpu |
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| 16:58.44 | Hoxzer | this is just one of those "wtf moments" in linux world where I can't find error from the places I should Xorg log or gdm log :p |
| 16:58.57 | Hoxzer | it works : |
| 16:58.59 | Hoxzer | wtf |
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| 16:59.11 | Hoxzer | I didn't do anything O_o |
| 16:59.44 | jetscreamer | fyi grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 17:00.29 | Hoxzer | jetscreamer: as I said I tried that |
| 17:00.42 | xand | which package provides traceroute? dpkg -S /usr/sbin/traceroute finds nothing |
| 17:00.44 | Hoxzer | all I found was type1 - missing module |
| 17:01.03 | xand | hmm, traceroute package >.< |
| 17:01.07 | enouf | $ dlocate traceroute |
| 17:01.07 | enouf | traceroute: /. |
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| 17:01.14 | jetscreamer | i failed to parse your malformed text, sorry :/ |
| 17:01.15 | enouf | install dlocate :-P |
| 17:01.48 | jelly-home | why are you trying to traceroute slashdot? |
| 17:01.52 | enouf | well, apt-file, and/or auto-apt for that specific type of uninstalled pkg search |
| 17:01.53 | jetscreamer | but usually if it's gdm it will give you an ncurses error msg window and ask if you want to see the log |
| 17:02.02 | jelly-home | !find bin/traceroute |
| 17:02.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/traceroute' (4): (/usr/bin/traceroute6.iputils) in net/iputils-tracepath ;; (/usr/sbin/traceroute-nanog, /usr/bin/traceroute-nanog.genuine) in net/traceroute-nanog ;; (/usr/bin/{traceroute-nanog.db|traceroute.db|traceroute6.db}) in net/traceroute ;; (/usr/lib/debian-test/tests/linux/testcases/bin/traceroute_tests.sh) in misc/ltp-network-test. |
| 17:02.11 | xand | oh, it's a symlink >>, |
| 17:02.14 | Nyle | hi |
| 17:02.21 | Nyle | was I just here or was that last night? |
| 17:02.25 | Nyle | I can't remember |
| 17:02.29 | jetscreamer | Hoxzer: less /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 17:02.31 | enouf | or just use dpkg :-p |
| 17:02.37 | Nyle | !seen Nyle |
| 17:02.38 | dpkg | nyle is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen Nyle'. |
| 17:02.38 | jetscreamer | this morning being somedude or something |
| 17:02.51 | Nyle | what? |
| 17:03.01 | Nyle | yes I am also known as dudeman |
| 17:03.05 | enouf | yeah dudeman |
| 17:03.10 | jelly-home | !seen stoned |
| 17:03.10 | dpkg | stoned <n=stoned@unaffiliated/stoned> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6d 21h 50m 39s ago, saying: '14:03 < Nyle> modprobe it'. |
| 17:03.12 | Nyle | or mandude if I'm stressed out |
| 17:03.12 | enouf | see, told ya |
| 17:03.16 | jetscreamer | hey dude don't call me dude |
| 17:03.22 | Nyle | dude.. man |
| 17:03.28 | enouf | mandriva chickadee? |
| 17:03.34 | Nyle | you can express any feeling you want with those two words |
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| 17:03.45 | Nyle | try it out, say if a few diff times out loud |
| 17:03.59 | enouf | one, two, three .. there |
| 17:04.11 | Nyle | and then... I got my debian amd64 lenny box up after 3 days of tinkering with various install methods |
| 17:04.18 | Nyle | and I gotta tell ya, it was fun |
| 17:04.22 | jetscreamer | if a few diff times.. if a few diff times.. if a few diff times.. |
| 17:04.35 | broadcaster | !seen broadcaster |
| 17:04.35 | dpkg | broadcaster is currently on #debian (1h 2m 29s). Has said a total of 30 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen broadcaster'. |
| 17:04.36 | Hoxzer | Ok, Now it seems like kbd-config is now a wrapper for dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 17:04.43 | jetscreamer | i got mine going in 30 |
| 17:04.47 | Hoxzer | How am I now gonna bind my event device |
| 17:04.59 | Nyle | enouf: yes I got your message and yes I do hangout on #debian-boot but I have not joined freenode in a long time. /me was working a little bit on localizing the installer |
| 17:05.22 | jetscreamer | i take it you don't mean freenode |
| 17:05.23 | Nyle | er. |
| 17:05.27 | enouf | you mean oftc.net |
| 17:05.28 | Nyle | s/freenode/oftc |
| 17:05.31 | Nyle | indeed I do |
| 17:05.52 | Nyle | jet no, enough yes |
| 17:06.04 | Nyle | I gotta start prepending nicknames or it gets even myself confused |
| 17:06.16 | Nyle | wow... did I just spake a coherent sentence? |
| 17:06.26 | enouf | only one :-P |
| 17:06.28 | Nyle | heh |
| 17:06.46 | jetscreamer | yeah, remember how easy it is for you to get confused.. don't get in too much of a hurry... |
| 17:06.55 | ohcibi|lapp1 | what means "desktop environment" in the installation-routine? kde? gnome? xfce? wmii? |
| 17:07.03 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 17:07.03 | enouf | one or all |
| 17:07.05 | Nyle | ohcibi|lapp1: it means ALL of them |
| 17:07.15 | Nyle | ohcibi|lapp1: which is what I remember |
| 17:07.17 | jetscreamer | ohcibi|lapp1: i recommend you take all those check boxes off |
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| 17:07.25 | jetscreamer | and install what you want after it's done |
| 17:07.32 | ohcibi|lappi | yea thats what i want... |
| 17:07.34 | jetscreamer | and install what you want after the installation is done |
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| 17:07.40 | enouf | you can do install tasks=standard,kde-desktop say |
| 17:07.42 | Nyle | I selected that option by accident once, I ended up with kde and gnome and maybe something else which I cannot recall now, however I do remember gnome/kde |
| 17:07.50 | jetscreamer | tasksel sucks |
| 17:07.52 | Nyle | kde-core |
| 17:07.59 | Nyle | !popcon tasksel |
| 17:08.02 | Nyle | no |
| 17:08.03 | jetscreamer | or at least it's options do |
| 17:08.03 | Nyle | ok |
| 17:08.15 | Hoxzer | Does somebody have an idea how can I now bind my Remote-controller keys as I did it before with "kbd-config -f remote-bindings.conf /dev/input/event..." |
| 17:08.26 | S4nD3r | Just a question... Id like to create virtual machines, I need workstation right !? Is it free? |
| 17:08.32 | S4nD3r | VMWARE |
| 17:08.34 | jetscreamer | popcon is based on 'is it installed', right? well aptitude seems to depend on tasksel... |
| 17:08.36 | Nyle | S4nD3r: no |
| 17:08.45 | Hoxzer | Now kbd-config is wrapper for console-data which doesn't seem to want to configure my remote but only the kb |
| 17:09.18 | Nyle | jetscreamer: but it also gives you a selection to either participate or not, so most of the times it doesn't get installed because... well I don't know |
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| 17:10.07 | Nyle | I did apt-get install kde (not aptitude) and umm... xorg was forced upon me |
| 17:10.11 | Nyle | why? |
| 17:10.40 | enouf | well duh |
| 17:10.41 | Nyle | in fact, using either of the two tools resulted in xorg being forced on me |
| 17:10.42 | Nyle | why? |
| 17:10.48 | Nyle | what do you mean duh? |
| 17:11.02 | enouf | GUI |
| 17:11.05 | Nyle | it should not be a requirement or a dependency at all, I think its stupid |
| 17:11.26 | Nyle | enouf: um... how about a headless box used for xdmcp or better yet, sshx |
| 17:11.30 | enouf | you ain;t doing jack with kde without X |
| 17:11.37 | Nyle | dont' need xorg, only some xlibs |
| 17:11.45 | broadcaster | Nyle: kde is a meta-package. |
| 17:11.59 | enouf | !install kde |
| 17:11.59 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 17:12.46 | Nyle | Suggests: x-window-system-core |
| 17:12.56 | broadcaster | i,e: you don't have to select "kde" to install kde. as well as you don't need "kde-amusements" to play atanks. |
| 17:13.03 | Nyle | but why is it forced on me man thats what I want to know |
| 17:13.23 | Nyle | none of the packages kde even depends on (meta package kde), are dependant on Xorg |
| 17:13.26 | Nyle | afaict |
| 17:13.27 | enouf | we're nazis |
| 17:13.36 | broadcaster | *lol* |
| 17:13.44 | Nyle | and this used to not be the behavrious |
| 17:13.58 | Nyle | this is a recent change which came as a surprise to me |
| 17:14.05 | enouf | you know where the appropriate whining avenues aer |
| 17:14.21 | Nyle | this is whining? |
| 17:14.25 | Nyle | go sit down. |
| 17:14.29 | enouf | :-) |
| 17:15.09 | Nyle | I had no say in the matter, not that I mind, it saved me some work, but still, why? that is the question |
| 17:15.25 | Nyle | question the is that, be to not or be to |
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| 17:16.09 | enouf | you never really had any say .. we just let you think you did |
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| 17:16.45 | Hoxzer | What kind of tools should I use for binding event devices keys to keyboard commands? |
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| 17:16.57 | Nyle | I know aptitude has a default behaviour for installing more than the depends, but apt-get didnt used to do that |
| 17:16.58 | enouf | hrm, cnsole? |
| 17:17.07 | enouf | or x ? |
| 17:17.09 | Nyle | if evern I typed apt-get intall kde all I got was just kde |
| 17:17.10 | Nyle | not X |
| 17:17.18 | Nyle | never xorg, only kde |
| 17:17.26 | enouf | loadkeys, dumpkeys, showkey for console |
| 17:17.28 | abrotman | !info lineakd etch |
| 17:17.34 | dpkg | lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-3 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 452 kB |
| 17:17.37 | abrotman | oh .. misread damn it |
| 17:18.10 | enouf | Nyle: oh... you got the new apt? |
| 17:18.21 | Nyle | I think so |
| 17:18.34 | Nyle | looking at docs now to figure out what the new behaviour is by default |
| 17:18.42 | Nyle | I don't mind what happened, but I need to know |
| 17:18.43 | enouf | Nyle: add 'APT::Install-Recommends=False;' to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 17:18.57 | Nyle | hm word |
| 17:19.05 | Nyle | thats what I should read then |
| 17:19.10 | Nyle | man apt.conf |
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| 17:20.33 | sco50000 | i've compiled ndiswrapper, and installed my driver, loaded it with modprobe, yet wlan0 doesn't show up in ifconfig |
| 17:20.37 | enouf | i think i just heard a tranformer blow up outside .. :-/ |
| 17:20.47 | enouf | my lights flickered even |
| 17:21.09 | sco50000 | i've had this card working before with ndiswrapper, but i reinstalled lenny, and i can't remember how i got it to work before |
| 17:21.22 | enouf | sco50000: ifconfig -a ? maybe it's another name |
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| 17:21.39 | enouf | are wireless-tools installed? |
| 17:21.50 | sco50000 | enouf, nope, it's not there, just eth0 and lo |
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| 17:21.55 | appelza | How can I get sed or awk to work with shell variables? like sed 's/$OLD/$NEW/g' file |
| 17:21.55 | enouf | iwconfig? |
| 17:22.00 | sco50000 | wireless-tools are installed |
| 17:22.14 | enouf | sco50000: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 17:22.15 | Bushmills | appelza: double quote instead of single quote |
| 17:22.27 | sco50000 | iwconfig just says eth0 and lo have no wireless extensions |
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| 17:22.38 | enouf | ndiscrapper |
| 17:22.45 | enouf | firmware issue? |
| 17:22.48 | eFfeM | hi, my debian etch based system (eeepc) has samba 3.0.24 which has a security vulnerability. Latest version on debian.org is 3.0.24-6etch9 which has fixed the system; how can I upgrade to that version. My apt feed directly points to debian, yet apt-get install samba says things are up to date (I do not want to do a full apt-get upgrade) |
| 17:23.02 | sco50000 | ndiswrapper -l shows that the driver is installed and which device is using it |
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| 17:23.11 | maybeway36 | maybe you already have it |
| 17:23.13 | enouf | apt-cache policy samba? |
| 17:23.34 | Bushmills | eFfeM: do you have security feed? |
| 17:23.34 | enouf | did you run update? |
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| 17:24.22 | eFfeM | Bushmills, I'll check if I have the security feed |
| 17:24.41 | enouf | !security |
| 17:24.42 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
| 17:24.44 | maybeway36 | anybody here used debian-live? |
| 17:24.49 | eFfeM | enouf, don't want to run update as that will probably destroy some eee specifics |
| 17:24.58 | enouf | what? |
| 17:24.59 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 17:25.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 17:25.16 | enouf | apt-get update only updates the cache |
| 17:25.17 | maybeway36 | how do I add the live CD user to a custom group? (like "fuse") |
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| 17:25.20 | Bushmills | eFfeM: don't confuse update with upgrade |
| 17:25.21 | appelza | thanks Bushmills |
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| 17:25.54 | Nyle | and upgrade seems deprecated but aliased to full-upgrade I think |
| 17:26.03 | Nyle | backwards doh |
| 17:26.33 | maybeway36 | I want to be able to use ssfhs on debian-live |
| 17:26.44 | eFfeM | enouf, policy says: installed 3.0.24-6xandros3 and tells that one is the last one from asus, and etch9 being the last one from debian; it finds the xandros as candidate, not the one fromthe debian feed |
| 17:26.44 | eFfeM | Bushmills, thanks, indeed I confused them; I did do an update |
| 17:27.09 | lleoliveira | ia64 can be to install on intelmovile processor |
| 17:27.14 | lleoliveira | ? |
| 17:27.31 | Nyle | no... |
| 17:27.45 | enouf | what?! |
| 17:27.46 | lleoliveira | so is x86 |
| 17:27.54 | Nyle | yes |
| 17:28.14 | lleoliveira | i'm newbie and want to try debian, so better take the stable version or resting |
| 17:28.22 | lleoliveira | testing |
| 17:28.23 | Nyle | stable |
| 17:28.29 | enouf | resting is good too |
| 17:28.41 | Nyle | but testing isn't as good |
| 17:28.42 | Nyle | stable. |
| 17:28.42 | enouf | i do it all the time ;-) |
| 17:28.43 | Bushmills | lleoliveira: I'd go for testing |
| 17:28.50 | simonrvn | it certainly helps you relax |
| 17:28.58 | lleoliveira | uhm |
| 17:28.59 | Nyle | I would go with stable |
| 17:29.08 | lleoliveira | i'll go with stable |
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| 17:29.16 | enouf | not answering that question directly allows for rest ;-) |
| 17:29.17 | Nyle | you'll go with stable. |
| 17:29.21 | maybeway36 | libe-helper help: how do I add the live CD user to a custom group? |
| 17:29.25 | maybeway36 | *live-helper |
| 17:29.35 | simonrvn | /bin/echo "$foo" |
| 17:29.36 | Nyle | maybeway36: umm... adduser |
| 17:29.44 | maybeway36 | nope |
| 17:29.45 | lleoliveira | but i want to install on a lenovo notebook, that already has xp, and i don't want to lose xp |
| 17:29.47 | abrotman | lleoliveira: not ia64 |
| 17:29.51 | maybeway36 | tired putting it in local hooks, didnt work |
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| 17:30.07 | maybeway36 | and I mean when the CD boots up, I want the user to ALREADY be in the "fuse" group |
| 17:30.14 | eFfeM | if a pacakge is in more than one feed how can I select another candidate then the preferred one from apt |
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| 17:30.24 | maybeway36 | I tries the debian-live channel on irc.oftc.net but nobody's really there |
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| 17:30.46 | sco50000 | if at first you don't succeed, reboot and try again :) |
| 17:30.54 | sco50000 | wlan0 shows up now |
| 17:30.57 | Nyle | this is not ubuntu. |
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| 17:31.00 | lleoliveira | how to not lose xp |
| 17:31.12 | enouf | users and their perms are likely defined in the initrd |
| 17:31.37 | Nyle | lleoliveira: install linux to a diff partition and install bootloader grub on mbr and it will make entry for xp |
| 17:31.39 | enouf | that's how knoppix is anyway when i peeked in it's minirt.gz and such |
| 17:31.48 | lleoliveira | what is the difference of kde and xfce and |
| 17:31.50 | Nyle | lleoliveira: read the installation guide for debian, it is very useful |
| 17:31.52 | pumpkin0 | lleoliveira: donot get the ia64-edition. Get AMD 64 or plain 386. and resize the windows-partition at install. |
| 17:31.55 | lleoliveira | i want just 1 cd to install |
| 17:31.57 | Nyle | lleoliveira: xwinman.org |
| 17:31.57 | abrotman | !br |
| 17:31.58 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:32.05 | Nyle | lleoliveira: try netinst |
| 17:32.09 | Bushmills | lleoliveira: "the" difference, as there was only one? |
| 17:32.13 | lleoliveira | but here is wireless |
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| 17:32.21 | Nyle | i see |
| 17:32.32 | abrotman | !pt |
| 17:32.33 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 17:32.52 | Bushmills | lleoliveira: kde starts with k, xfce with x |
| 17:33.00 | maybeway36 | lleoliveira: use netinst cd |
| 17:33.01 | pumpkin0 | lleoliveira: OK, then get all the CD images. |
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| 17:33.15 | lleoliveira | my god all cd images |
| 17:33.15 | maybeway36 | you can install gnome, kde, xfce later with apt-get |
| 17:33.17 | Nyle | pumpkin0: ... |
| 17:33.29 | Nyle | !ig |
| 17:33.29 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 17:33.35 | maybeway36 | just use netinst only i think |
| 17:33.36 | Nyle | lleoliveira: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^66 |
| 17:33.38 | pumpkin0 | Nyle: he says that he does not have network during install ... |
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| 17:33.47 | maybeway36 | oh nvm then :( |
| 17:33.54 | abrotman | be better if we knew which NICs |
| 17:34.02 | abrotman | xingu: the developers |
| 17:34.09 | Bushmills | xingu: what version? |
| 17:34.15 | Nyle | pumpkin0: he does |
| 17:34.23 | lleoliveira | ha ok, amd 64 for intelmobile processor? |
| 17:34.25 | xingu | Bushmills: sid - 2.3.1-2 |
| 17:34.32 | Nyle | pumpkin0: he should use wired net until he gets his wifi configured |
| 17:34.35 | enouf | moviiie? |
| 17:34.40 | Bushmills | xingu: what is broken? |
| 17:34.56 | pumpkin0 | Nyle: again: he said he does not have wired networking during install. |
| 17:35.02 | xingu | Bushmills: after the login dialog - icon in the notification area but can't pop up the main window at all |
| 17:35.06 | Nyle | either way, he will have to get the debian base system, plus wireless tools, and wireless driver(firmware) before anything works |
| 17:35.08 | abrotman | might want ot have him try a kmuto |
| 17:35.12 | Nyle | options? |
| 17:35.24 | Nyle | use wired net. |
| 17:35.27 | Nyle | thats it |
| 17:35.43 | lleoliveira | i'm crazy |
| 17:35.44 | Nyle | there is no other option. Downloading 20 debian cds is a useless idea |
| 17:35.46 | xingu | Bushmills: icon in the notification area has no context menu (just pops up the area's own menu - remove/move/lock/about etc) |
| 17:35.52 | Bushmills | xingu: environmental, probably. (running 2.3.1-2 too) |
| 17:35.58 | enouf | 23? |
| 17:36.12 | xingu | Bushmills: cheers will drop configs and see what gives |
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| 17:36.54 | Nyle | lleoliveira: which wifi nic do you have anyway |
| 17:37.08 | lleoliveira | intelwireless pro |
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| 17:37.33 | wols | lleoliveira: which chip is that? lspci |
| 17:37.36 | Nick0r | hey, can anyone explain what lpd does? |
| 17:37.41 | solemnwarning | Is there a program I can install on a machine to monitor its bandwidth usage and tell me how much is used every month/week? |
| 17:37.42 | wols | !lpd |
| 17:37.42 | dpkg | [lpd] Line Printer Daemon |
| 17:37.43 | lleoliveira | 3945 |
| 17:37.51 | wols | !ipw3945 |
| 17:37.52 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". |
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| 17:38.23 | Nyle | wols: ... that requires wired eth or manual package download or getting the entire package archive on cds |
| 17:38.26 | wols | lleoliveira: so get those packages from packages.debian.org, put it on a usb stick and install with dpkg -i |
| 17:38.34 | Nyle | wols: there ya go |
| 17:38.38 | wols | he is on irc right now so he has interweb |
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| 17:39.04 | Nyle | true... but c'mon.. he's a noob, you can't expect him to know stuff |
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| 17:39.13 | wols | that's why I just told him |
| 17:39.14 | Nyle | you gotta pretend he knows jac, and then tell him everything |
| 17:39.14 | lleoliveira | i'm totally newbie sorry |
| 17:39.25 | ethan961 | ubuntu |
| 17:39.29 | Nyle | wols: which is why its word. |
| 17:39.42 | wols | if he is a intelligent human being he can do it. if not, he should hire an admin |
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| 17:39.53 | Nyle | wols: human being? intelligent? |
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| 17:40.02 | Nyle | gimme a break. We're all morons. |
| 17:40.07 | wols | Nyle: not everyone is a drug addict like certain people |
| 17:40.09 | Nyle | don't get me started. |
| 17:40.09 | lleoliveira | i read tdebian doesn't support wireless, so i can't install by net |
| 17:40.14 | wols | speaking of, time for mine |
| 17:40.20 | lleoliveira | and this driver is not open source |
| 17:40.21 | Nick0r | fn~wols: i read line printer daemon, but what does it actually do |
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| 17:40.38 | lleoliveira | so i need to add non free package |
| 17:40.42 | Nyle | wols: if we were smart, we'd kill ourselves. |
| 17:40.42 | wols | lleoliveira: then buy different hardware. not debian's fault when you are too stupid to buy supported hardware |
| 17:41.01 | wols | Nick0r: printer spooler |
| 17:41.02 | Nyle | wols: its not stupid, its a lack of knowledge |
| 17:41.04 | Nyle | quit being a dick |
| 17:41.11 | lleoliveira | so if i try netinstall with cable net |
| 17:41.12 | Nyle | go get a beer or something or have a smoke |
| 17:41.13 | lleoliveira | will work |
| 17:41.15 | lleoliveira | right |
| 17:41.16 | Nyle | Leentje: yes |
| 17:41.17 | lleoliveira | ? |
| 17:41.21 | Nyle | lleoliveira: yes |
| 17:41.24 | jokie51 | my thoughts exactly. |
| 17:41.27 | lleoliveira | and then install intelwireless pro |
| 17:41.30 | lleoliveira | from non free |
| 17:41.33 | wols | Nyle: buying it and then moadning the OS of choice doesn't support it is clear and utter stupidity |
| 17:41.44 | Nyle | wols: no, its newbness |
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| 17:42.06 | wols | no it it's ignorance and stupidity |
| 17:42.14 | Nyle | ignorance yes |
| 17:42.17 | Nyle | not stupidity |
| 17:42.21 | xingu | Bushmills: same result after dropping/ recreating ~/.purple; the notification area icon is basically cactus, it isn't causing the buddy list to either hide or reveal. |
| 17:42.52 | Bushmills | xingu: what wm? |
| 17:43.00 | xingu | Bushmills: straight after virgin config obviously buddy list is in revealed state; but at that point clicking notification area should and doesn't hide, weird |
| 17:43.01 | Bushmills | or desktop env? |
| 17:43.18 | xingu | Bushmills: shame's compiz-fusion build, emerald wm. |
| 17:43.37 | xingu | will switch to metacity... 2s. |
| 17:43.43 | Nyle | lleoliveira: read the install guide, and use wired internet, and use netinst iso. you'll be alright. it would help if you have 2 pcs or if you can print out the entire install guide, but that wastes paper, what ever you do, consult the install guide |
| 17:43.58 | xingu | Bushmills: aah crap it's the whole notification tray itself that's screwed |
| 17:44.28 | Nyle | lleoliveira: don't prove that wols is right :) |
| 17:44.48 | sco50000 | xingu, i've had problems with shame's compiz-fusion and the sys tray before |
| 17:44.50 | Nyle | otherwise i'll personally kick your ass ;) |
| 17:45.20 | dusty_ | IronRoses, perhaps none installed? wronmg paths in the xorg.conf file. |
| 17:45.27 | dusty_ | Hey guys, does anyone use debian etch with the ATI Radeon x700 graphics card? |
| 17:45.39 | wols | !tell dusty_ about anyone |
| 17:45.57 | lleoliveira | ok thanjs Nyle |
| 17:46.01 | lleoliveira | thanks |
| 17:46.02 | dusty_ | wols, thats pathetic, there is a reason im asking that question. |
| 17:46.12 | wols | yes. you are a fool |
| 17:46.13 | Bushmills | dusty_: statistically, I'd say, chances are good |
| 17:46.16 | enouf | lleoliveira: yo uhave windows on there? |
| 17:46.23 | wols | it's the most common reason here to ask a anyone question |
| 17:46.26 | wols | you are no exception |
| 17:46.35 | enouf | lleoliveira: see http://goodbye-windows.com |
| 17:46.50 | wols | dusty_: just ask yourself what happens when someone answers "yes" |
| 17:46.55 | Bushmills | dusty_: I think that can be answered as "yes" |
| 17:46.58 | xingu | Bushmills, sco50000: cheers, will follow up |
| 17:46.59 | wols | result: you wil ask the REAL question |
| 17:47.11 | dusty_ | OK, well an issue is that when i install debian + xorg startx gives me a black screen, no matter how i configure the desktop i can't use the ati drivers it installs (no idea why) i caj revert back to vesa and that works. |
| 17:47.20 | dusty_ | i've used ati drivers on slackware/ubuntu fine. |
| 17:47.22 | xingu | man this is annoying |
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| 17:47.26 | dusty_ | just debian has issues with the one it installs. |
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| 17:47.48 | sco50000 | dusty_: try using the drivers from the ATI site |
| 17:47.57 | lleoliveira | yes i have |
| 17:48.00 | dusty_ | thats my next idea |
| 17:48.04 | Hoxzer | what tools would you guys recommend for bindging buttons of event-device to keyboard commands ? |
| 17:48.28 | enouf | evdev? the xorg module? |
| 17:48.43 | eFfeM | is there a way to specify the preferred feed for a single apt_get command without crafting a preferences file ? |
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| 17:49.20 | enouf | !tell eFfeM -about apt howto |
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| 17:51.05 | eFfeM | enouf, tnx |
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| 17:51.23 | enouf | Hoxzer: you mentioned remote controller? you want lirc? |
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| 17:51.42 | Hoxzer | NO, I dont want remote controller |
| 17:51.47 | Hoxzer | *lirc |
| 17:51.52 | enouf | wtf? |
| 17:51.55 | Hoxzer | It shows as event device so I dont need lirc |
| 17:52.18 | Hoxzer | I previously used kdb-config to just bind its buttons to keyboard buttons |
| 17:52.19 | lleoliveira | ii read about it http://goodbye-windows.com/debian/ but didn't understand if this utility will do all service of partition and not lose windows |
| 17:52.42 | enouf | !keymap |
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| 17:52.42 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". If you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about <drxx>, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once-only/temporary adjustment). |
| 17:52.44 | lleoliveira | is it automatically? |
| 17:53.49 | ohcibi|lappi | why can't i do anything with sudo? i have username ALL=(ALL) ALL in the sudoers file... am in the sudo and admin group,,, what else is to do? |
| 17:54.34 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, my debian system was working well, but not it just boots in console mode, is not starting the X, how can I solve that? |
| 17:54.54 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I have to loging with my user and run 'startx' |
| 17:55.07 | DarenM | gonzaloaf_laptop> what happens when you type startx? |
| 17:55.08 | enouf | some options for keybinding here http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-ext-keys.html including xbindkeys |
| 17:55.09 | trebor_home | xorg.conf: what do i have to add in order to specify a second (external) monitor (lcdtv)? i do have one section "monitor" (identifier "standard", option "dpms", horizsync 30-70, vertrefresh 50-160. |
| 17:55.12 | Bushmills | gonzaloaf_laptop: consider to install a display manager |
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| 17:55.29 | enouf | lleoliveira: it does it fine |
| 17:55.42 | enouf | lleoliveira: no, you will not lose windows |
| 17:55.44 | lleoliveira | automatically? |
| 17:55.49 | gonzaloaf_laptop | DarenM, the X starts |
| 17:55.54 | enouf | yes, like the debian installer does |
| 17:56.05 | enouf | have you read the i-g lleoliveira ? |
| 17:56.06 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Bushmills, gdm is installed |
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| 17:56.12 | lleoliveira | yes |
| 17:56.17 | dj_nem0 | Hi all |
| 17:56.29 | lleoliveira | but nothing about good bye windows |
| 17:56.48 | Bushmills | gonzaloaf_laptop: run, while X is not started, as root "/etc/init.d/gdm start" |
| 17:57.00 | Bushmills | see whether that gives you graphical login |
| 17:57.02 | dj_nem0 | i have samll question about debian for Intel QuadCore processors |
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| 17:57.26 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Bushmills, i did, but gdm dindt start |
| 17:57.34 | dj_nem0 | it need any change from defualt for supporting quad core |
| 17:57.50 | Bushmills | gonzaloaf_laptop: fix the reason why it doesn't |
| 17:58.33 | eFfeM | enouf, sorry don't understand, went through the apt-get howto and the apt-get and apt_preferences man pages, but no idea how I can select another version (with the same version prefix, in my case 3.0.24-6) |
| 17:58.46 | enouf | lleoliveira: my bad, perhaps only just enough of the installer is used until you need net to d/l |
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| 17:59.14 | abrotman | you don't *need* the net with the netinst |
| 17:59.19 | wols | eFfeM: you don't want to |
| 17:59.34 | enouf | eFfeM: if it's in Etch and you're actually running Etch -- you can get it and install it .. |
| 17:59.43 | lleoliveira | i'll try wirh cable and goodbye windows tool |
| 18:00.00 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Bushmills, this is what I want to know |
| 18:00.06 | lleoliveira | but i don't want to lose windows, and it's hard to me understand the partition on linux |
| 18:00.07 | xingu | Bushmills: weird; think it _was_ the systray itself; clicking around in there with various shift modifiers/button combos eventually froze things up good and proper |
| 18:00.17 | Bushmills | gonzaloaf_laptop: what does cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager say? |
| 18:00.19 | xingu | Bushmills: restart and it's all behaving itself again |
| 18:00.20 | lleoliveira | so if this is done automatically |
| 18:00.30 | lleoliveira | i'll be happy |
| 18:00.33 | enouf | wols: he seems to think ther's a Fixed (security issue) version of Samba in etch that he can't seem to get his system to see for installation |
| 18:00.35 | quirim | how do I check what processes are running, using command line? |
| 18:01.00 | pumpkin0 | quirim: ps aux |
| 18:01.28 | enouf | lleoliveira: either way, you will have to run the installer - obtaining all you need for your ipw4965 prior would help out a lot, i suppose |
| 18:01.29 | quirim | thank you :) |
| 18:01.30 | Bushmills | xingu: that's the fun of sid |
| 18:01.34 | eFfeM | enouf, I am not running etch, I am running Xandros, which is debian based, and I want to get a security fix that is not yet in the xandros feed, but that is in the etch feed (in my case the candidates are 3.0.24-6xandros3 and 3.0.24-6etch9; the former is installed, I want the latter (this is about samba btw) |
| 18:01.38 | xingu | Bushmills: :) |
| 18:01.42 | enouf | omg |
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| 18:01.49 | xand | this isn't xandros |
| 18:01.54 | enouf | !xandros |
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| 18:01.55 | dpkg | hmm... xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/, or #xandros @ irc.freenode.net |
| 18:01.56 | eFfeM | i know |
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| 18:02.13 | lleoliveira | yes but i can install with cable and after take the packages i need |
| 18:02.15 | xingu | Bushmills: keeps you young :) |
| 18:02.22 | lleoliveira | to get wireless working |
| 18:02.50 | enouf | you can do that no matter wich way you install lleoliveira |
| 18:02.56 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Bushmills, /usr/bin/gdm |
| 18:02.59 | lleoliveira | ood |
| 18:03.12 | lleoliveira | good, remember, just not lose windows |
| 18:03.16 | enouf | you wil STILL need to partition your drives, but the installer will guide you |
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| 18:03.51 | eFfeM | there is a security vulnerability in the eeepc (which runs xandros); I don't like xandros either, but etch does not support either atl2 or the atheros wifi (and neither does testing afaik) |
| 18:04.09 | Bushmills | gonzaloaf_laptop: try xdm, if that works, follow the gdm traject again for debugging. |
| 18:04.16 | xand | eFfeM: we can't help with xandros. |
| 18:04.23 | abrotman | eFfeM: debian runs on the eeepc .. this is not #xandros .. please go to #xandrox |
| 18:04.28 | abrotman | bah .. #xandros |
| 18:04.35 | xand | oh, and stop hilighting me :P |
| 18:04.49 | enouf | kmuto even made recent .24 support, iinm |
| 18:04.54 | abrotman | xand: do you highlight on xandros ? :) |
| 18:05.03 | abrotman | xand: /nick blondie ? :) |
| 18:05.06 | xand | I hilight on "xand" :( |
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| 18:05.11 | eFfeM | i know this is not #xandros, #xandros is almost empty, and I *do* want to install a debian package ! |
| 18:05.13 | xand | no, that nick is... deprecated |
| 18:05.16 | abrotman | !eeepc |
| 18:05.27 | enouf | that reminds me - where's beardie? |
| 18:05.29 | xand | eFfeM: we don't support debian packages on other distros... only on debian |
| 18:05.34 | abrotman | eFfeM: there's a website for this .. either install debian or go to #xandros |
| 18:05.41 | enouf | oh wait, she's right here O.o |
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| 18:05.55 | abrotman | !eeepc is <reply> http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:05.56 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 18:06.14 | pumpkin0 | eFfeM: you are asking a ford-dealer to install a ford piece on a opel car ... |
| 18:06.18 | Bushmills | eFfeM: problem is, if a package installs ok under debian but not ok somewhere else, how are we supposed to know why it doesn't? |
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| 18:07.03 | trebor_home | the manual of an lcd-tv says this signals would be "valid" 1080i (50/60Hz), 1080p(50/60Hz) and 720p(50/60Hz). what do i have to put in xorg.conf? |
| 18:07.04 | AddyK-L32 | Hello! :) |
| 18:07.07 | eFfeM | pumpkin0, no, i'll install it myself, just want to know how I can get the ford piece |
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| 18:07.14 | AddyK-L32 | How do I install sun-java*-jre? |
| 18:07.21 | pumpkin0 | eFfeM: www.debian.org => packages => download |
| 18:07.22 | abrotman | eFfeM: packages.debian.org |
| 18:07.29 | eFfeM | Bushmills, i understand your concern, but I am more than capabel to clean out my own mess |
| 18:07.33 | eFfeM | ok will go there |
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| 18:07.57 | eFfeM | but fear it will leave me to manually resolve all dependencies |
| 18:08.08 | gladiatr | greetings all. I'm looking for the method for activating core dumps on my debian 4 system. I have discovered that the core file size (relative to ulimits) is set to 0 by default. I can manually set it for the session to > 0 and will get a core file if I sigquit a test process; however, I'm finding it a bit unclear as to how I should set this for the entire system. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 18:08.17 | eFfeM | abrotman, thanks for the eeepc link, I was unaware of this site |
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| 18:10.11 | abrotman | eFfeM: it's amazong what google cna do |
| 18:10.21 | hoxu | gladiatr, look at /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 18:10.32 | abrotman | eFfeM: and if you do try to install that debian package on your eeepc .. you'll likely break it very badly |
| 18:10.45 | enouf | abrotman: amazon is not google :-p |
| 18:10.59 | abrotman | enouf: erm .. yeah .. stupid brain |
| 18:11.35 | enouf | heh my typing just sucks, pewriod |
| 18:11.44 | gladiatr | hoxu, will this catch non-login processes (daemons and the like)? |
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| 18:12.03 | xingu | man, touchpads are hungry hungry hippos from a wakeups/s perspective |
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| 18:13.48 | hoxu | gladiatr, iirc, those limits have nothing to do with a process being login or not, I think those are set when a process is created |
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| 18:14.42 | Bushmills | gladiatr: setting it in /etc/profile should do |
| 18:14.47 | hoxu | gladiatr, I could be wrong though, can't remember where to look for documentation, you could ask google :p |
| 18:15.03 | gladiatr | hoxu, interesting. I'll do more reading on it. I tried setting the core size for the default (*) entry in security/limits.conf. Logging in to a new interactive session gives me no love. :) |
| 18:15.23 | gladiatr | hoxu, yeah. I've been asking google. It's giving me the run-around :) |
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| 18:16.44 | hoxu | gladiatr, "Also, please note that all limit settings are set PER LOGIN." http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/5/limits.conf.html |
| 18:17.40 | gladiatr | hoxu, bah. remember when the task was to figure out how to get server processes to *not* leave core dumps everywhere? |
| 18:18.35 | hoxu | nah, I don't remember having problems with my daemons leaving droppings around :p |
| 18:18.48 | hoxu | then again, I tend to forget nasty things quickly... ;) |
| 18:18.51 | gladiatr | hoxu, hehe! |
| 18:20.10 | gladiatr | hoxu, I've got an ugly situation with freeradius and openldap that I'm trying to work out. ldap goes into pout-mode (I'm pissed and refuse to talk to you anymore) under loaded conditions (but it doesn't die). Trying to figure out how to convince debian to let me coax a core file from the hung process |
| 18:22.21 | xingu | gladiatr: gcore, from gdb |
| 18:22.38 | hoxu | hmm, what actually creates the core dump, kernel? Are there other requirements than the user being able to write to the current directory, and large enough ulimit -c ? |
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| 18:22.55 | gladiatr | xingu, nice. good idea :) |
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| 18:23.39 | hoxu | xingu, you don't happen to know the answer to those questions as well? :p |
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| 18:25.24 | gladiatr | hoxu, it's a system call |
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| 18:26.53 | vinc456 | is it possible to read compressed .gz log files in /var/log without unpacking them and deleting? |
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| 18:28.01 | cahoot | zless? |
| 18:28.31 | terver | zcat too |
| 18:28.40 | gladiatr | vinc456, make a hardlink from gzip to gzcat in /usr/bin. Then you can gzcat myfile.gz |
| 18:28.57 | vinc456 | works great! thanks |
| 18:29.00 | gladiatr | or /bin |
| 18:29.43 | gladiatr | is there a particular reason why that's not part of the gzip package? |
| 18:29.46 | xingu | hoxu: working from the inside out; coredumping is a byproduct of signal delivery; kernel/signal.c: get_signal_to_deliver()->sig_kernel_coredump?->do_coredump(), fs/exec.c:do_coredump() |
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| 18:30.24 | hoxu | xingu, makes sense, thanks for the info :) |
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| 18:30.45 | anom01y | how do I get a digital camera to work with usb ? |
| 18:30.53 | xingu | hoxu: there's other considerations; is the process suid (suid coredumps are not to be meddled with lightly, for they are tasty and slow on their feet) |
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| 18:30.58 | gene2 | can someone help me restore a degraded raid, I have raid 1 on my drive, md0 and now i added a new drive and partioned it exactly the way it is supposed to be, what flags do I need to run on mdadm to resynch it? |
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| 18:31.34 | xingu | hoxu: there's also selinux/capabilities considerations; how to handle out of fs-space; whether to permit/not permit dump to network or userspace fs; etc. |
| 18:31.40 | Akatemik | gene2: Just add the drive. It should in the man page |
| 18:31.54 | xingu | hoxu: comments in fs/exec.c:do_coredump() are a pretty good checklist of constraints |
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| 18:32.06 | hoxu | xingu, I trust that the gurus have thought about the issues... if not, I guess you'll be sending a patch soon :P |
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| 18:33.40 | xingu | hoxu: dumping to _pipe_'s is an especially hairy area. :) |
| 18:33.46 | Hoxzer | is it possible to use xmodmap to specific /dev/input/eventX device (X is a number) ? |
| 18:34.23 | hoxu | xingu, don't dig too deep or you'll run into bugs or vulnerabilities :P |
| 18:35.01 | xingu | hoxu: and yes it's possible, /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern understands some metachars (like '|') |
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| 18:36.45 | gene2 | Akatemik: that worked, mdstat showing that it is recovering, will I need to run something special so the MBR gets written and grub can read it? |
| 18:38.18 | Akatemik | If you haven't run grub install for the second drive, yes, you need to do that |
| 18:38.49 | Akatemik | Now, I wish somebody could tell me why only some of my arrays are starting when my computer boots |
| 18:38.59 | gene2 | I haven't, what will I need to do? sorry to be asking to be spoon fed but never dealt with this before |
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| 18:39.01 | Akatemik | Then again, that seems to be a minor problem, since the whole box froze |
| 18:39.24 | Akatemik | gene2: Google for a manual on grub |
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| 18:40.06 | Akatemik | Generally something like running grub, telling it what drive you want to work on "root (hd?,?)" and running setup |
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| 18:41.20 | gene2 | let me tell you what i'm trying to do, I've built a box and made my root pation md0, this way I can sync a drive and install it into another machine without much work. Now i'm doing that, but I'm sure it will not boot just with having been synced using mdadm |
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| 18:41.48 | Akatemik | Umm... |
| 18:41.56 | Akatemik | Why couldn't you just use dd? |
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| 18:42.09 | gene2 | I don't know, I figured I might have to do this for more then 1 machine |
| 18:42.14 | Akatemik | If I got it correclt that you want to remove the second hd as soon as it has synched |
| 18:42.19 | gene2 | yes sir |
| 18:42.27 | nuno_nunes | !pt |
| 18:42.28 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:42.29 | Akatemik | Well, anyways running grub is the same |
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| 18:42.51 | gene2 | i see there is a binary grub-install |
| 18:42.56 | Akatemik | The process is well documented, much better than using mdadm, I dare say |
| 18:43.16 | Akatemik | Grub-install might not do what you want, since you want to run it for the second drive |
| 18:43.33 | Akatemik | It does the work automatically for the first drive (or might get stuck looking for floppy... depends...) |
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| 18:43.47 | juso | Is "*.domain.com IN A 1.1.1.1" the right way tod o a wildcard in bind? |
| 18:43.58 | gene2 | Yes but it says i can specify device |
| 18:44.12 | spectie | hey all |
| 18:44.16 | Akatemik | Hm, that might work too, then |
| 18:44.26 | Akatemik | I generally use the grub command line directly, YMMV |
| 18:44.58 | gene2 | i see |
| 18:45.01 | spectie | i'd like to know when packaging for debian a python module which is the better option: to enforce depend on a particular version (e.g. python2.4) or make symlinks (or copy) modules into /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ |
| 18:45.02 | spectie | ? |
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| 18:47.13 | xingu | hmm, usb going gpl only, eh |
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| 18:52.37 | SJrX | Is Linux basically compatible with all notebooks OOB now, or is there stuff I should dbe watching out for? |
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| 18:53.12 | Bushmills | SJrX: avoid having a built-in analog modem of some brands |
| 18:53.33 | xingu | SJrX: it's a moving target; recent notebook, recent kernel; 3d graphics is a minefield as can be wlan support |
| 18:53.35 | Bushmills | SJrX: some built-in WLAN adapters are difficult too |
| 18:54.10 | Bushmills | SJrX: exotic Videocards may not give you the hardware accel you may wish for |
| 18:54.12 | SJrX | Do you think the store will let me bring in a Live CD? |
| 18:54.18 | SJrX | oh that's not an issue bushmills |
| 18:54.24 | xingu | SJrX: if they want your cash ;) |
| 18:54.27 | SJrX | not a notebook for me, for someones parents. |
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| 18:54.45 | abrotman | SJrX: why would you tell them? :) |
| 18:54.52 | ohcibi|lappi | why is aptitude keeping several packages back? |
| 18:54.53 | SJrX | Because I don't want to get thrown out |
| 18:55.01 | gigo | I am using Debian on AMD 64-bit. How do I install flash for browser? |
| 18:55.03 | ohcibi|lappi | and how can i force it to install/upgrade them? |
| 18:55.06 | SJrX | for infecting the Gibson |
| 18:55.08 | lleoliveirabr | hi all, tell me: can i install: debian-40r2-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso so i don't need internet to install it? |
| 18:55.11 | gigo | I am using Iceweasel as the browser |
| 18:55.20 | lleoliveirabr | or do i still need? |
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| 18:55.36 | abrotman | lleoliveirabr: that will give you a basic kde install |
| 18:55.56 | lleoliveirabr | so i can install the rest with internet access |
| 18:56.21 | lleoliveirabr | ok but cable internet is not workinh here, pc problem |
| 18:56.30 | SJrX | Wait a minute, can't I just use that wlan wrapper for the wireless card? |
| 18:56.40 | morvok | hello everyone.. I have a working sata card in on of my PC's.. I was wondering if anyone knew if this would actually work in a Sun U10.. just wondering so I don't have to go to a lot of work and be disappointed. |
| 18:56.45 | lleoliveirabr | i just have wireless, but the wireless drive is not installed as default |
| 18:57.00 | lleoliveirabr | it's necessary to take by non oficial package |
| 18:57.18 | lleoliveirabr | so how can i get this without internet access |
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| 18:57.49 | abrotman | SJrX: you can ... but you'd rather not if you can avoid it |
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| 18:58.05 | SJrX | hmmmm why's that abrotman? |
| 18:58.28 | abrotman | SJrX: ndiswrapper is an ugly hack |
| 18:58.44 | SJrX | so only for asthetic reasons? |
| 18:58.54 | ohcibi|lappi | ive installed X but i dont have a startx command? |
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| 18:59.14 | Bushmills | ohcibi|lappi: server != clients |
| 18:59.42 | Bushmills | ohcibi|lappi: or server init. |
| 18:59.57 | Bushmills | startx is in xinit |
| 19:00.14 | ohcibi|lappi | ah thx.. |
| 19:01.04 | Bushmills | ohcibi|lappi: you probably want xbase-clients too |
| 19:01.51 | Bushmills | actually, that one has a dependency on xinit |
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| 19:08.06 | gene2 | if I have a drive /dev/sda how do I do I know if it's hd0, hd1, etc? |
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| 19:08.31 | wols | gene2: you don't BIOS determines that |
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| 19:08.44 | wols | gene2: how many disks do you have? |
| 19:08.45 | gene2 | wols: but how can I find out what bioses determined |
| 19:08.49 | gene2 | wols: 4 |
| 19:09.01 | wols | first disk to boot from is hd0 |
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| 19:11.22 | abrotman | !moo |
| 19:11.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 19:12.01 | Bushmills | the grass is green the sky is blue |
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| 19:12.09 | Bushmills | and when it wants the bot says moooo |
| 19:12.39 | Arrick | anyone in here familiar with the UltraVNC Single Click for windows? |
| 19:13.16 | JohnMS | I've created a debian package and in my control file I have it listed under Section: games. But when I install my deb file, it does not appear under Games. How do I get an icon in the games menu? |
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| 19:13.26 | Bushmills | Arrick: does it have a carbon blade? |
| 19:13.37 | voltage | Hows it going? |
| 19:13.45 | Arrick | I am asking simply because I want to setup a linux box that has a "listen" mode liek UltraVNC has, so i can use my single click and have a linux remote support boc |
| 19:13.47 | Arrick | box |
| 19:14.13 | abrotman | !tell gladiatr about away |
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| 19:14.32 | abrotman | Arrick: so setup a vnc server on the linux box |
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| 19:14.36 | voltage | anyone here any good with open ssh? |
| 19:14.44 | voltage | really fubard mine up good lol |
| 19:15.10 | wols | voltage: are you good at asking questions? |
| 19:15.20 | voltage | average I guess |
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| 19:15.30 | voltage | I know what I did wrong |
| 19:15.34 | Arrick | abrotman, its not a server, its viewer with a "listen" on it that lets the "SC" client "call back" and it doesnt alter the clients comptuer in any way |
| 19:15.35 | abrotman | so undo it |
| 19:15.45 | abrotman | Arrick: the repeated stuff ? |
| 19:15.53 | Arrick | no abrotman |
| 19:16.17 | abrotman | repeater .. stupid fingers |
| 19:16.19 | voltage | wols can you bail me out? |
| 19:16.24 | abrotman | Arrick: i'm not aware of anything like that .. |
| 19:16.25 | Arrick | it lets them request a support session and I can work on their PC without altersing ports and such on their end |
| 19:16.45 | Daveman | abrotman :) |
| 19:16.48 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 19:16.52 | Daveman | How goes it? |
| 19:16.55 | Arrick | abrotman, you have a windows box you are willing to connect me to to see what i am talking about? |
| 19:17.05 | voltage | mail ya a cisco 2514 lol |
| 19:17.16 | abrotman | Arrick: yes .. i even use ultravnc at work .. never noticed the callback bit |
| 19:17.24 | abrotman | Daveman: it's windy! |
| 19:17.25 | Arrick | abrotman, pm? |
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| 19:17.56 | abrotman | Arrick: no .. don't msg me |
| 19:18.01 | wols | voltage: still haven't seen an answerable uqestion from you |
| 19:18.02 | Daveman | heehee, yeah :) |
| 19:18.06 | Arrick | ahh sorry |
| 19:18.08 | Arrick | already did |
| 19:18.10 | abrotman | Arrick: i still don't know what it is |
| 19:18.12 | Daveman | abrotman, trying to pimp out my latest flux install :D |
| 19:18.15 | voltage | ok here goes |
| 19:18.24 | Arrick | one sec, i will link you to the docs abrotman |
| 19:18.28 | abrotman | Arrick: you need more pleather :) |
| 19:18.45 | abrotman | Arrick: it's not going to help .. you're going to have to read the docs for the vnc client/servers on linux |
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| 19:19.37 | voltage | I have a debian etch router running shorewall. I paired it down to just mobo/ram/power/hard drive. Only way in our out was via SSH login from my ubuntu box. Got it working last night. Was able to remote reboot etc. |
| 19:20.12 | Arrick | this might help you know what i am looking for though abrotman http://www.ultravnc.com/addons/singleclick.html |
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| 19:20.51 | Arrick | but I will read up on ity |
| 19:20.53 | voltage | Then I had a bad dream last night that my ISP figured out my SSH passphrase so I wanted to reset it. So without knowing anything about openssh and being 1/2 in the bag when i got it working I decided to login remotly to my router and move all the key and key.pub files to another location |
| 19:21.12 | abrotman | Arrick: there is a way to open a tunnel via outgoing ssh tunnels |
| 19:21.59 | Daveman | voltage, hehee |
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| 19:22.11 | voltage | I thought I was copying them to a folder called /etc/ssh/bak but I was copying them into a text file called bak (and are no longer there). So after I could not log in remotly I decided to hook in a monitor/kyb and reinstall openssh like i did yesterday |
| 19:22.12 | abrotman | voltage: did you turn off interactive logins ? |
| 19:22.19 | Daveman | voltage, I was unaware we live in soviet russia |
| 19:22.27 | Bushmills | voltage: as long as they don't have your private key, the passphrase won't help them |
| 19:22.32 | voltage | Not sure. |
| 19:22.47 | Bushmills | voltage: just create a new key, replace the old one |
| 19:22.54 | voltage | I know when I got ssh -l root 192.168.10.1 i get connection reset by peer |
| 19:22.58 | ohcibi|lappi | ive just started X and now the other ttys are disabled (monitor switches to standby)... whats wrong? |
| 19:23.00 | wols | voltage: purge openssh-server and reinstall it |
| 19:23.04 | Daveman | hehe |
| 19:23.08 | wols | and set up public key login again |
| 19:23.14 | Bushmills | voltage: if your private key has been stolen, that's much worse than the passphrase known |
| 19:23.22 | voltage | Wols thats what I did until it prompted me for my CD |
| 19:23.32 | voltage | and i Yanked out all drives last night |
| 19:23.53 | voltage | so before I can go about that I got to know what I got to do or I can't get online again lol |
| 19:23.54 | Arrick | voltage, if you are running ssh open to the world and allowing root to login, I recommend you to not do it |
| 19:23.57 | voltage | takes my network down |
| 19:24.38 | voltage | I am very new to this. I though ssh was secure? |
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| 19:24.45 | voltage | I have a passhrase |
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| 19:24.51 | voltage | *passphrase |
| 19:25.05 | Arrick | voltage, you *never* allow login to root from the outside |
| 19:25.22 | Arrick | you login using regular user and then su - to root if needed |
| 19:25.38 | voltage | but debian usually only gives you root as your only admin account |
| 19:25.45 | voltage | do I got to create a super user? |
| 19:25.50 | darkhorse_ | yes |
| 19:25.50 | Arrick | that way if your allowed user is compromised, you dont necessarily have root compromised |
| 19:26.24 | darkhorse_ | Does this chan, include ubuntu or other debian based distro's? *curious* |
| 19:26.33 | voltage | Ok so what should I do at this point. To get my router allowing SSH so I don't use up a kyb/mouse to administer and to lock down my root account? |
| 19:26.54 | Arrick | no DarkCow |
| 19:26.57 | Arrick | darkhorse_, no |
| 19:27.04 | Arrick | there is a #ubuntu channel |
| 19:27.16 | Bushmills | voltage, simply disable ssh login in the router. even if private key has been stolen AND passphrase too, without ssh listening those are useless |
| 19:27.23 | craigevil | !debian-based |
| 19:27.23 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 19:27.31 | Bushmills | voltage, then generate new keys |
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| 19:27.35 | voltage | At the moment got a etch gateway/firewall and a ubuntu desktop. a windows 2K box. no dhcp server yet, and a xp box getting a clean install for a client |
| 19:27.41 | wols | voltage: if it prompts for CD you have a deb cdrom line in your sources.list which you shouldn't have |
| 19:27.43 | Bushmills | voltage, and make sure the old ones are disabled |
| 19:27.46 | wols | !sources.list |
| 19:27.46 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:28.00 | wols | put in a notmal deb ftp line instead and run apt-get update |
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| 19:28.39 | voltage | ok let me get a kyb mouse into my etch box |
| 19:28.49 | voltage | have to reconnect once it boots up and I will come back |
| 19:29.04 | voltage | if i can get around the not needing CD every time I am all set. |
| 19:29.09 | darkhorse_ | hrm ok cool, just curious. I personally like debian more than *buntu |
| 19:29.23 | Bushmills | I wonder what huge secrets can be found on your router |
| 19:29.37 | voltage | lol |
| 19:29.40 | darkhorse_ | We have been building debian boxes for network probe/monitoring around our satellite companies. |
| 19:29.51 | Bushmills | don't tell. CIA is probably listening here |
| 19:29.55 | voltage | I know it's open as a ass but it's better than my airlink all in one |
| 19:30.20 | voltage | no way to disable my wireless lol so now they won't be smooching off me |
| 19:30.26 | wols | voltage: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 19:30.49 | voltage | I'll brb got to get things rolling here. thanks so far for all the help |
| 19:31.07 | voltage | dono if the gateway will take another hard shutdown. |
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| 19:32.17 | Bushmills | oh right, to feed the harvesters: http://forthfreak.net/echelon |
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| 19:33.31 | wad | Hi, debian folks. I was playing with a package "apple2" under Kubuntu, and noticed that it has some problems. In looking further into it, I found that the project is orphaned. I might be interested in adopting it, but I'm kind of new to this, and I have a few questions. |
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| 19:33.51 | wad | Are there qualified people here to answer my questions? |
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| 19:34.19 | wols | no one is qualified to speak for kubuntu packages here |
| 19:34.22 | Arrick | wad questions for *ubuntu can be taken to #ubuntu channel please? |
| 19:34.26 | wols | no one gives a rats ass about ubuntu packages |
| 19:34.37 | wad | heh |
| 19:34.39 | Bushmills | wad, debian-devel@lists.debian.org is suggested to listen in for a few weeks first |
| 19:34.41 | wad | That's my first question. |
| 19:35.05 | wad | So, I use Kubuntu on my laptop, and I have 3 debian boxen I work with at home. |
| 19:35.17 | error0327 | hii i have a pocket pc mio 338 and i am looking for a linux system for these devise , if any one now any linux system that can replace the windows on these devise please help me |
| 19:35.23 | Arrick | the kubuntu can be taken to #ubuntu, debian in here wad |
| 19:35.24 | Bushmills | wols: the fact that it is a ubuntu pack doesn't mean that he's not adopting it for debian |
| 19:35.31 | wad | What is the relationship between Ubuntu packages and Debian packages? |
| 19:35.43 | Arrick | stability and testing? |
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| 19:35.56 | voltage | ok guys don't hack me to death just yet |
| 19:36.04 | wols | wad: ubuntu likes to sometimes take packages from debian. but ask ubuntu about it. not uis |
| 19:36.05 | Arrick | already done voltage |
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| 19:36.17 | valdyn | wad: almost every ubuntu package is a debian package from specific sid snapshot + ubuntu patches or no patches |
| 19:36.17 | Arrick | your router is wide open with default username and password lol |
| 19:36.22 | voltage | woudn't surprise me |
| 19:36.23 | wad | Well, I'd rather maintain the debian package, I think. |
| 19:36.32 | wad | Because Debian is the One True Source. |
| 19:36.40 | wols | !sponsor |
| 19:36.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sponsor is a DD that uploads a package prepared by a maintainer that is not (yet) a DD, therefore trusting, verifying (hopefully) and accepting responsibility for the maintainer's work. see http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-new-maintainer.en.html#s-mentors |
| 19:36.52 | voltage | help me lock it down so I don't have to go back to my airlike please |
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| 19:37.10 | voltage | I set my own root pass that can't be default |
| 19:37.15 | wols | voltage: he's toying with you. what is the problem? |
| 19:37.22 | wad | I've got a sponsor. |
| 19:37.32 | wols | wad: then why do you uask us anything? |
| 19:37.33 | Arrick | lol wols |
| 19:37.45 | Arrick | voltage, Im not in it, i was indeed messing with you |
| 19:38.00 | wad | Well, he's not on IM right now... so I figured I'd ask in here first. |
| 19:38.02 | voltage | right now I got to set it up for ssh administration and disable the insert CD for every second apt-get |
| 19:38.12 | voltage | and apparently disable my root account |
| 19:38.24 | wols | voltage: I asked you sevreal times. either answer me or shut up |
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| 19:38.51 | voltage | So I am better of then having a consumer based gatway solution? |
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| 19:39.19 | wad | My sponsor has been pestering me to find a project to work on. :) I finally found one. |
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| 19:39.26 | wols | you are better of answering questions if you want to help |
| 19:39.29 | voltage | how do i take out "Insert debian CDROM when installing packages?" |
| 19:39.39 | wols | !sources.list |
| 19:39.40 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 19:39.49 | wols | voltage: fix your sources.list |
| 19:40.00 | voltage | ok bring it up 1 min |
| 19:40.17 | trebor_home | in order to use an external monitor with intel graphics card - is there a gui-tool in debian (kde/gnome...) or do i have to use xrandr? |
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| 19:40.30 | wols | xinerama |
| 19:40.34 | wols | there is no gui tool |
| 19:40.35 | wols | !xinerama |
| 19:40.36 | dpkg | xinerama is probably where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html |
| 19:40.52 | voltage | ok got souces.list up in nano |
| 19:41.04 | voltage | should I put a # in where it says deb cdrom: |
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| 19:41.24 | cahoot | is xinerama still usable in modern xorg? |
| 19:41.38 | error0327 | want to install linux on mio 338 any one can help me ? |
| 19:41.49 | xingu | cahoot: yup, so I hear. |
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| 19:42.08 | xingu | cahoot: xrandr1.2 will make it obsolete in the long run though I think |
| 19:42.28 | synx | voltage: sounds like a plan, or delete the line |
| 19:42.36 | voltage | thanks synx |
| 19:43.04 | vitry | hi to all |
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| 19:44.19 | voltage | looks like it is coming down from the net with no prompts for CDROM excellent |
| 19:44.54 | voltage | says it put both the server and the client on |
| 19:45.30 | voltage | Now how do I make the keys for remote login? |
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| 19:46.13 | error0327 | linux for mio 338 any one ??? hlooooo experts any one sore for spamming but no one answer me |
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| 19:46.49 | wad | Okay, packaging question. Here's the Ubuntu package: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/otherosfs/apple2 |
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| 19:46.54 | wad | It references the debian package. |
| 19:47.05 | valdyn | !info apple2 |
| 19:47.08 | dpkg | apple2: (Apple ][ Emulator), section contrib/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.7.4-5 (sid), Packaged size: 161 kB, Installed size: 328 kB |
| 19:47.11 | wad | If I work on the ubuntu package, does my work go backwards to debian? |
| 19:47.22 | valdyn | wad: no |
| 19:47.29 | cleo_ | i want to know if the driver of bloutooth is installed on my dell d400 |
| 19:47.32 | synx | voltage: ssh-keygen |
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| 19:47.38 | valdyn | wad: or only if the debian maintainer of that package uses your changes |
| 19:47.45 | wad | Ah |
| 19:47.52 | wad | There is no debian maintainer right now. |
| 19:48.06 | wols | !info bluez |
| 19:48.09 | Arrick | request it to be turned over to you wad |
| 19:48.09 | wad | So, if I should adopt the package, then I can work on them all? |
| 19:48.22 | wad | I'm working on that Arrick. |
| 19:48.25 | valdyn | wad: this package should be ubuntu multiverse, so not there much longer |
| 19:48.28 | wad | I just want to make sure I know what I'm getting into. |
| 19:48.33 | Arrick | ahh ok |
| 19:48.34 | valdyn | wad: unless a new debian maintainer shows up |
| 19:48.48 | wad | What is the multiverse? |
| 19:48.49 | Arrick | later all |
| 19:49.01 | wad | !multiverse |
| 19:49.21 | valdyn | wad: all packages from debian, recompiled for ubuntu, and _only_ recompiled, not supported |
| 19:49.23 | error0327 | debhelper , can you help me with installing the linux on the pocket pc /?? "mio 338' |
| 19:49.27 | wad | ah! |
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| 19:49.49 | cleo_ | i want to know if the driver of bloutooth is installed on my dell d400 |
| 19:49.55 | wad | Okay, so I think what I need to do is adopt this package. |
| 19:50.06 | wad | Then my work on it will trickle down to Ubuntu and Kubuntu, right? |
| 19:50.19 | valdyn | wad: yes |
| 19:50.35 | wad | Kewl. I'm on it then. |
| 19:50.59 | voltage | says WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! when I try to login now |
| 19:51.10 | voltage | ran ssh-keygen after install |
| 19:51.23 | valdyn | voltage: there already was a key, a different key |
| 19:51.28 | voltage | but I changed it myself |
| 19:51.53 | valdyn | voltage: so ssh is just telling you that it changed. |
| 19:52.09 | error0327 | ChanServ, can you help me with installing the linux on the pocket pc /?? "mio 338' |
| 19:52.15 | voltage | but it says verification failed |
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| 19:53.22 | voltage | you have requested strict checking? |
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| 19:54.54 | aarcane | morning people |
| 19:55.01 | aarcane | @list |
| 19:55.10 | aarcane | nice. not a one :P |
| 19:55.11 | casey-f^^ | where can i set the default LD_LIBRARY_PATH system-wide? I want to add /usr/local/lib ... |
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| 19:55.19 | wols | voltage: of course if failed when the key changed! |
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| 19:55.35 | valdyn | casey-f^^: /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 19:55.46 | voltage | ok so I removed the old key from my known_hosts? |
| 19:55.49 | ohcibi|lappi | when i start X the ttys on strg+alt+f1-6 are not available.... furthermore when i restart X it does not start again |
| 19:56.33 | error0327 | ×™×” ×–×•× ×•×ª ×ª×¢× ×• לי |
| 19:56.37 | error0327 | ×—×—×—×—×—×—×— |
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| 19:57.25 | error0327 | *,can you help me with installing the linux on the pocket pc ?? "mio 338' |
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| 19:57.31 | wols | error0327: no |
| 19:57.47 | error0327 | wols,heeheheheh blease |
| 19:57.59 | voltage | ok I'm back in |
| 19:58.07 | casey-f^^ | error0327: no. |
| 19:58.10 | voltage | How would I go about changing the passphrase? |
| 19:58.28 | wols | voltage: passphrase of what exactly? |
| 19:58.31 | error0327 | ok thanks but NO |
| 19:59.08 | voltage | my ssh connection between my server and my terminal |
| 19:59.18 | wols | what "passphrase"? |
| 19:59.31 | wols | you either use PKI or keyboard auth |
| 19:59.33 | wols | what do you want? |
| 19:59.41 | voltage | keyboard |
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| 19:59.55 | wols | then nothing to be done, it's already set up for this out of the box |
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| 20:00.07 | wols | fir how to change passwords: man passwd |
| 20:00.16 | garotosopa | Why would I want to start inetd and portmap on a standard desktop? |
| 20:00.23 | voltage | so its the same as the login password? |
| 20:00.27 | wols | !inetd |
| 20:00.27 | dpkg | inetd is the internet super-server, read 'man 8 inetd' for details. Also ask me about "update-inetd" |
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| 20:00.35 | wols | voltage: yes |
| 20:00.40 | Bushmills | passphrase for private key |
| 20:00.49 | voltage | ok let me try that |
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| 20:01.20 | garotosopa | wols, I've been there already but my conclusion is that I don't want it started. Am I missing something? |
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| 20:02.16 | wols | portmap is mainly for NFS |
| 20:02.31 | wols | inetds is for certain services like ftp and whatever you start via inetd |
| 20:03.17 | abrotman | and famd |
| 20:03.22 | abrotman | on desktops anywys |
| 20:03.33 | Bushmills | voltage, passphrase as you mean it is a protection against unauthorized use of your private key. has nothing to do with login password. |
| 20:03.43 | garotosopa | I might want to run some services here but I'm ok with the idea to start them prior to use. Is there any disadvantage on disabling both? |
| 20:03.44 | aarcane | inetd is a major security risk. you should start those procees from init, not from inetd. |
| 20:03.44 | voltage | Excellent |
| 20:03.45 | wols | abrotman: famd is started via inetd? |
| 20:04.09 | voltage | As i change the password on my gateway I need the same pass to login vis ssh. |
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| 20:04.15 | garotosopa | famd is running here but there's a /etc/init.d/fam entry so I guess I could keep it without inedt at all |
| 20:04.17 | voltage | *via ssh |
| 20:04.35 | abrotman | wols: portmap stuffage |
| 20:04.55 | voltage | In debian is there a way to make a new user with root privs? |
| 20:05.00 | garotosopa | well, the fam package depends on portmap |
| 20:05.02 | usser | hey guys a quick question. does debian goes to sleep or ifdowns network interfaces after a certain period of inactivity? |
| 20:05.09 | Bushmills | voltage: stupid idea |
| 20:05.23 | Bushmills | voltage: that's what sudo or su is for |
| 20:05.24 | wols | usser: not by default |
| 20:05.40 | garotosopa | voltage, you could edit sudoers to give specifc permissions |
| 20:05.47 | voltage | but isn't it bad having my root account active? |
| 20:05.59 | wols | voltage: only one super user. root. no one else |
| 20:06.00 | dvs | garotosopa: assuming he has sudo in the first place. |
| 20:06.09 | voltage | I don't |
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| 20:06.14 | voltage | sudo don't work |
| 20:06.16 | usser | wols: i see, cause i just seen this when wanted to login after a while "eth1 link down" |
| 20:06.25 | garotosopa | dvs, indeed. I didn't think people wouldn't have it installed |
| 20:06.49 | wols | !installit voltage |
| 20:06.52 | usser | wols: followed immediately by "eth1 link up" which i suspect came up after i pressed space bar to wake up the screen |
| 20:07.03 | Bushmills | voltage, then adding more users with root priv is *even* worse |
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| 20:09.16 | voltage | I see what your saying |
| 20:09.19 | aarcane | voltage, sudo is a secure tool. that means you need to know how to configure it. |
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| 20:09.51 | voltage | Ok so I don't want to be logging in as root locally or remotly I want to sudo like I do in ubunutu? |
| 20:10.05 | dvs | voltage: yes |
| 20:10.11 | voltage | ok I'm all ears |
| 20:10.12 | zamuro | Vorbote didn't resist the temptation, ain't you? |
| 20:10.13 | abrotman | or use su |
| 20:10.21 | Vorbote | No. I just couldn't |
| 20:10.35 | aarcane | sudo = good, su = only to be used in those select cases where sudo won't suffice. |
| 20:10.46 | zamuro | lol i see... it's just too damn good to let it pass by |
| 20:10.51 | voltage | I see what your saying |
| 20:10.54 | Vorbote | But I'll be off soon to install NetBSD current in other box... |
| 20:11.01 | abrotman | aarcane: that doesn't make sense |
| 20:11.03 | zophy | and use screen too |
| 20:11.09 | dvs | !lart Vorbote |
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| 20:11.24 | voltage | do I apt-get install sudo or something? |
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| 20:11.33 | dvs | voltage: that's a start |
| 20:11.34 | wols | !installit |
| 20:11.34 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 20:11.35 | zamuro | Vorbote LOL that _is_ a mistake |
| 20:11.38 | zophy | are there any security issues with using screen ? |
| 20:11.42 | aarcane | abrotman, try to run sudo echo "1" > /proc/net/ipv4/forwarding (or whatever the new path to it is) |
| 20:12.02 | abrotman | aarcane: that's not what i was referring to |
| 20:12.15 | aarcane | abrotman, oh. I'm confused then. |
| 20:12.28 | abrotman | aarcane: i meant the sudo vs su .. |
| 20:12.52 | voltage | ok thats done |
| 20:13.02 | voltage | now i edit sudoers? |
| 20:13.06 | aarcane | abrotman, sudo is good, but sometimes you need to use su instead when sudo isn't good enough. for things like output redirection, etc.. sudo fails. |
| 20:13.23 | dvs | voltage: yes |
| 20:13.24 | abrotman | aarcane: 1) you're using it wrong 2) su is fine |
| 20:13.46 | aarcane | abrotman, but using su is as good as granting someone on your system full root privelege. |
| 20:14.09 | abrotman | aarcane: if you don't trust them .. they shouldn't have sudo either ? |
| 20:14.51 | aarcane | abrotman, you never want to give a person, whether you trust THEM or not, More access than they need. |
| 20:14.59 | Vorbote | aarcane: you need to read a bit about shell quoting and globbing (and discover why csh scrupting is considered harmful). |
| 20:15.05 | zophy | a standard deviation analysis gives favor to sudo |
| 20:15.07 | aarcane | abrotman, every account with root access is one more potential point of compromize. |
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| 20:15.14 | abrotman | aarcane: so is every shell account |
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| 20:15.29 | voltage | should I add another user to my system? |
| 20:15.35 | voltage | only have root as of now |
| 20:15.55 | dvs | voltage: if you are using Debian, then you should have created another account when installing. |
| 20:15.56 | aarcane | abrotman, but why let them get root access when you could stop them at user access? |
| 20:16.05 | mentor | voltage: man adduser |
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| 20:16.20 | abrotman | aarcane: you're missing the point .. but carry on .. |
| 20:16.29 | mentor | !tell voltage about dug |
| 20:16.35 | abrotman | digdug! |
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| 20:17.23 | voltage | i think i did 1 sec |
| 20:18.08 | voltage | ok i am in as my user |
| 20:18.16 | voltage | voltage lol |
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| 20:19.13 | wols | voltage: can't you just dsiable it slistening on public interfaces and be done with it? |
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| 20:19.25 | wols | someone as paranoid as you shouldn't set up a router |
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| 20:20.32 | Bushmills | voltage: tail -f /var/log/auth.log |
| 20:20.38 | zophy | i buried my router in fish guts and never looked back |
| 20:20.39 | voltage | The idea of building my own router is to have complete control over my firewall. |
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| 20:21.39 | zophy | i think i'll rootkit my system so hackers won't know i'm there |
| 20:21.44 | Supaplex | control freak! |
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| 20:22.06 | voltage | said voltage is not in the sudoers file |
| 20:23.28 | Supaplex | man visudo |
| 20:23.39 | Supaplex | or, apropos sudo |
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| 20:23.59 | zophy | ohhhh, french |
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| 20:25.55 | voltage | I don't trust the little 4 port routers ability to secure my connection |
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| 20:26.50 | voltage | although I do not yet have the skill sets to harden my current router, when I get the skills it's just a mater of typing in the appropriate commands |
| 20:27.21 | zophy | routers are seldom compromised, it is the administration of them, or the applications on the servers that compromised |
| 20:27.51 | zophy | which means YOU |
| 20:28.39 | zophy | everyone is insecure, it takes balls to be on the internet |
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| 20:28.50 | danand | voltage - routers generally use busybox Gnu/linux as their OS - I have heard of people using ssh to get into their box and configuring with command line |
| 20:28.51 | voltage | my current path is leave everything wide open and log every bit of data to a laser printer |
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| 20:29.51 | voltage | well the thing is once i have my router configured I'll disable all SSH and only way in will be locally |
| 20:29.56 | zophy | LRP was really cool |
| 20:30.05 | voltage | then my 2nd etch box will be my firewall |
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| 20:30.22 | voltage | 1st one is just a way in/out for my PC's |
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| 20:30.37 | voltage | forwards port 80 to my web server etc |
| 20:30.49 | zophy | if you have physical access to the router then use a serial port |
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| 20:31.14 | voltage | good idea. still need a port master though |
| 20:32.05 | streuner | !closing ports |
| 20:32.05 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
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| 20:32.49 | voltage | I ain't a newbie to ports. only newbie to open source |
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| 20:34.55 | voltage | Person needs a gateway, firewall, 2xdns and 1x dhcp server and 3 snort boxes before he can begin to have some security |
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| 20:35.55 | abrotman | but you don't know how to forward ports? |
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| 20:36.33 | voltage | Yes. just don't know what ports need to be forward because my network is still in theory stage |
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| 20:37.05 | voltage | don't know what my web server's IP is going to be. or if I am going to have any P2P apps running. |
| 20:37.15 | voltage | Starting from the top down |
| 20:37.34 | voltage | Once I get the DHCP server up I'll have to forward those ports to and from it |
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| 20:39.02 | voltage | My 233 gateway will pull 50 megs a second through it's wan port in linux. Like to see what your linksys has for throughput |
| 20:39.24 | Bushmills | voltage: you don't need to forward any ports for your name server |
| 20:39.43 | Bushmills | where from do you want to forward them to?? |
| 20:39.59 | voltage | external users |
| 20:40.08 | voltage | coming in from outside via dial up |
| 20:40.13 | voltage | need an ip |
| 20:40.21 | Bushmills | so they can ping from exteranlly your internal machines on your LAN? |
| 20:40.31 | Bushmills | fun concept |
| 20:40.33 | voltage | on the DMZ only |
| 20:40.42 | voltage | for their shared resouces |
| 20:41.04 | Bushmills | what they share doesn't concern your DNS |
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| 20:41.33 | voltage | my 2 dns boxes are seprate from my dhcp |
| 20:41.43 | voltage | on DNS for internal, one for external |
| 20:42.25 | voltage | *one |
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| 20:43.18 | voltage | this bind9 is heavy going for me lol |
| 20:43.44 | CoolCold | are any light dns servers? |
| 20:44.28 | voltage | hope to be both bind if I can wrap my hard drive slinging brain around the concepts |
| 20:44.32 | petemc | dnsmasq would probably be considered light |
| 20:44.36 | garotosopa | Why does xorg package depends on xorg-docs? |
| 20:44.47 | abrotman | so you have documentation |
| 20:44.51 | petemc | voltage: bind can do different requests for different networks with one server, its called views |
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| 20:45.11 | garotosopa | I don't read it. Shouldn't it be just another package? |
| 20:45.43 | voltage | so you could have one box doing to work of 2 dns servers? |
| 20:45.57 | petemc | if you want to think of it that way, sure |
| 20:46.01 | Bushmills | CoolCold: check out maradns |
| 20:46.33 | CoolCold | so maradns, dnsmasq, what else? |
| 20:46.51 | petemc | bind9 isnt very resource intensive |
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| 20:47.14 | petemc | powerdns is popular enough, can use bind zone files |
| 20:47.27 | voltage | you think it's a good idea to have a local dns server? |
| 20:47.35 | petemc | yes |
| 20:47.46 | voltage | instead of letting your isp see every site you visit or host |
| 20:48.05 | Nyle | hm |
| 20:48.08 | petemc | or speedup name resolution |
| 20:48.10 | ohcibi|lappi | does nobody has any idea why my ttys are not available anymore? |
| 20:48.17 | Nyle | did someone say that frlrx doesn't work on xorg 7.1 or later? |
| 20:48.34 | voltage | would sure lower your response time eh? |
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| 20:48.56 | Nyle | amphi: ping |
| 20:49.00 | Nyle | hat |
| 20:49.05 | petemc | voltage: you will generally find machines on a local network respond faster than machines on the internet |
| 20:49.05 | Nyle | what |
| 20:49.10 | Nyle | amphi: ping |
| 20:49.15 | Nyle | is a bot? |
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| 20:49.37 | petemc | ping |
| 20:49.39 | voltage | for sure |
| 20:49.53 | Daveman | abrotman, omg, blizzard! |
| 20:49.55 | helo | what is the most best dvd ripping program? |
| 20:50.02 | abrotman | Daveman: OMG NOT YET! |
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| 20:50.14 | abrotman | Daveman: we had some flakes earlier .. but it is sunday |
| 20:50.18 | voltage | have you ever set one up petemc? |
| 20:50.19 | helo | it has been years since i tried... last time i had problems with the audio/video getting out of sync |
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| 20:50.24 | petemc | handbrake works for me |
| 20:50.51 | petemc | voltage: a dns server? yes |
| 20:50.58 | voltage | sweet |
| 20:51.04 | voltage | what did you use for an OS? |
| 20:51.10 | petemc | have a guess |
| 20:51.13 | helo | heh |
| 20:51.20 | helo | vista, what else? |
| 20:51.22 | voltage | lol |
| 20:51.24 | voltage | etch? |
| 20:51.32 | helo | my vista dns server! |
| 20:51.50 | Daveman | imma go get my 52mm |
| 20:52.00 | abrotman | uh |
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| 20:54.18 | zorton | i've got an lvm disk i've moved from one system to the another, how do I make the lvm stuff on the new system aware of the new disk? pvscan show the disk but I didn't export it before moving it over |
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| 20:54.45 | CoolCold | looks like dnsmasq isn't what i need, mara need testing... |
| 20:55.14 | abrotman | CoolCold: bind9 really isn't that bad |
| 20:55.40 | petemc | zorton: vgscan , vgchange |
| 20:55.41 | xingu | bah, if it doesn't have its RIB in 2ns memory and its FIB in fabric, it's not a router - it's a bottleneck |
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| 20:56.42 | streuner | dpkg dbugs 464953 |
| 20:56.47 | dpkg | #464953:[linux-2.6] linux-2.6: mmap() local root exploit; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:33:02 UTC |
| 20:56.54 | CoolCold | abrotman: well, it's not that bad of cuz, but i don't like $GENERATE directive |
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| 20:57.12 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 20:57.25 | CoolCold | if i have some RR from $GENERATE, it can't be overrided by editing config |
| 20:57.34 | streuner | abrotman: why isnt that exploit not in /topic? |
| 20:57.37 | CoolCold | bind complains.. |
| 20:57.39 | abrotman | streuner: there's no patch ? |
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| 20:58.13 | abrotman | streuner: i've seen a few items from people that say "here load this random module" or "just apply this patch" but nothing from lkml or debian-kernel ? |
| 20:58.27 | abrotman | streuner: i expect it's coming soon .. but you'd have to ask #debian-kernel |
| 20:58.39 | jmut | hi. I see tons of font packages..I wonder which I need to set Tahoma, Arial etc for KDE..I have only few showing in control panel->fonts now. |
| 20:58.56 | jmut | verdana also |
| 20:59.23 | xingu | abrotman: I blame that linus fellow and his altogether too modern splice tomfoolery |
| 20:59.38 | streuner | abrotman: patch yes, but they arent sure about how this patch should looks like... |
| 20:59.39 | abrotman | xingu: have you ever tried to splice something ? just not fun! |
| 20:59.52 | abrotman | streuner: what would you have me put in the topic? |
| 21:00.05 | abrotman | WARNING: KERNEL VULN - NO PATCH YET! ? |
| 21:00.18 | xingu | "turn if off now, protect yourself" |
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| 21:00.23 | Assid | heya |
| 21:00.38 | xingu | abrotman: users are overrated anyway, local ones doubly so |
| 21:02.12 | Assid | i did an update of the kernel and it said it had to run some module dependencies (i dont update/upgrade often) |
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| 21:02.21 | Assid | and it said i should reboot it soon |
| 21:02.26 | xingu | abrotman: hmm, well the POC works on kernel.org/x86_64 fwiw. |
| 21:02.50 | abrotman | streuner: /msg dpkg tracker of doom .. then we can fill the whole topic :) |
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| 21:03.53 | xingu | abrotman: yet another argument to run absolutely sweet fanny adams in your hypervisor and allocate one execution domain per physical person. |
| 21:04.05 | Assid | err sorry |
| 21:04.08 | Assid | my box crashed |
| 21:04.16 | Assid | so as i was saying |
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| 21:04.30 | Assid | i updated the kernel .. and now it was giving some vfs error |
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| 21:06.15 | abrotman | streuner: gave up |
| 21:06.16 | abrotman | ? |
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| 21:06.37 | streuner | abrotman: hold on, i must see whats going on... |
| 21:07.06 | Assid | can someone help me on this |
| 21:07.11 | abrotman | streuner: who are you asking ? |
| 21:07.16 | abrotman | Assid: did you compile your own kernel ? |
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| 21:07.29 | Assid | abrotman: nope. debian repositories |
| 21:07.36 | abrotman | 2.4 to 2.6 ? |
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| 21:08.03 | streuner | abrotman: nobody, you could imagine whats now going on in kernel team... |
| 21:08.28 | abrotman | streuner: testing i would assume |
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| 21:08.59 | Assid | abrotman: 2.6.21.5 i think i was on it before.. but debian updated it.. now im down to 2.6.18-6 |
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| 21:09.08 | abrotman | what? |
| 21:09.16 | abrotman | Assid: that doesn't make sense |
| 21:09.23 | vins | hi, I've a problem with the "cat" command |
| 21:09.38 | vins | cat *>out.avi doen't work at home :( |
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| 21:09.54 | vins | an idea ? |
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| 21:10.06 | abrotman | be more specific? |
| 21:10.14 | Bushmills | vins, did you try to whip it? |
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| 21:10.37 | abrotman | whip it good |
| 21:10.44 | tarzeau | make hamburger |
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| 21:10.55 | abrotman | asg: you're supposed to help here! |
| 21:11.04 | vins | I have some files and I want do do only one file with them |
| 21:11.26 | vins | So I made cat *>out.avi |
| 21:11.36 | abrotman | cat file1 file2 file3 > out.file |
| 21:11.42 | Cataphract | hi I want sth like "getfacl --absolute-names -R / | bzip2 - > acls.bz2getfacl --absolute-names -R / | bzip2 - > acls.bz2" but excluding /afs. How can it be done? |
| 21:11.51 | vins | yes but I have 100 files... |
| 21:12.00 | abrotman | vins: does cat * work ? |
| 21:12.00 | Cataphract | sorry pasted twice there |
| 21:12.02 | tarzeau | Cataphract: |grep -v /afs |
| 21:12.05 | vins | and I used cat * before |
| 21:12.12 | vins | and it worked |
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| 21:12.43 | Cataphract | tarzeau: that would generate network traffic anyway |
| 21:12.51 | Bushmills | so why did it work before and not now? |
| 21:12.52 | vins | cat * doesn't this is my problem |
| 21:12.54 | vins | :) |
| 21:12.59 | Assid | abrotman: im not sure. but i think i was on 2.6.21 atleast thats what apt told me (in the ncurses window) i dont remember off hand. dist-upgrade made me update to 2.6.21.5 and now im back down to 2.6.18-6 |
| 21:13.11 | abrotman | Assid: boot the old kernel |
| 21:13.11 | vins | perhaps I was not on debian |
| 21:13.17 | vins | I don't remember |
| 21:13.28 | Bushmills | well, you can tell us better than we can tell you |
| 21:13.32 | Assid | abrotman: 2.6.18-6 works - 2.6.21.5 doesnt |
| 21:13.43 | abrotman | so what's the problem ? |
| 21:13.44 | streuner | abrotman: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/10/2011257&from=rss |
| 21:14.00 | Assid | i want to get onto 2.6.21 ? |
| 21:14.17 | abrotman | streuner: okay |
| 21:14.21 | Assid | the DC reported it to have the following error: http://assid.pastebin.com/d28ef1c71 |
| 21:14.26 | tarzeau | i'm looking for a valentines day gift for my girlfriend. any ideas? |
| 21:14.37 | Bushmills | tarzeau: a porsche |
| 21:14.41 | Assid | however 2.6.18 accepts it with the same root= |
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| 21:14.47 | abrotman | streuner: and the patch? |
| 21:14.50 | tarzeau | Bushmills: i've thought of some kamasutra-debian-item |
| 21:15.04 | abrotman | streuner: i'm aware of the vuln .. came out a couple of days ago |
| 21:16.00 | Nyle | alright |
| 21:16.15 | Nyle | fglrx/aiglx/composite on lenny/amd64 with xorg7.2 |
| 21:16.20 | Nyle | working pretty damn good |
| 21:16.27 | Nyle | yay... |
| 21:17.02 | enouf | haha, it's like wintendo - A new system call named vmsplice() was introduced in the 2.6.17 release of the Linux kernel. .. but i run .16 \o/ . (just kidding) |
| 21:18.42 | vins | cat fichier1 fichier2 > sortie.avi doen't work :( |
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| 21:19.39 | Bushmills | tarzeau: http://www.mileskimball.com/mileskimball/images/p82527b.jpg |
| 21:20.43 | Bushmills | tarzeau: http://zedomax.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/choco-keyboard.jpg |
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| 21:20.53 | Bushmills | still looking for the candy handheld |
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| 21:21.43 | abrotman | vins: doesn't work why? |
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| 21:24.32 | smacnay | I have a small hd I want to use in the removable usb devices. How must I format the hd to make it usable by anyone? I put and ext2 partition on it (the entire thing is one partition now) but I can't access it as user. |
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| 21:25.09 | pumpkin0 | smacnay: can the users mount it ? |
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| 21:25.35 | eifzon_ | I just got my usb-stick to work when I am mounting debian and trying to install it but it just says that I need a CD |
| 21:25.40 | smacnay | pumpkin0, It seems to auto mount here in gnome. I haven't tried a manual mount yet. |
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| 21:26.10 | pumpkin0 | smacnay: perfect. run as root: "chown -R <your-user> /path/to/hd" |
| 21:26.33 | smacnay | pumpkin0, thanks - does that need to be done each time I plug it in? |
| 21:26.46 | pumpkin0 | smacnay: nope, just once. |
| 21:26.46 | Tramp | smacnay: don't do that! |
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| 21:30.07 | Tramp | smacnay: actually - since its a fresh HD as you write, you can. But I'm not sure that it will solve your problem |
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| 21:31.10 | smacnay | Tramp, is there a certain way to reformat a disk to make it accessible to anyone? |
| 21:31.13 | eifzon_ | What version of debian shall I use to install from USB? |
| 21:31.55 | pumpkin0 | Tramp: he can mount it, but not write to it. It is ext2. What except UID can be the problem ? |
| 21:32.08 | pumpkin0 | eifzon_: usb-stick + netinstall.iso. |
| 21:32.18 | eifzon_ | I just tried it and it asked for a cd |
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| 21:32.30 | Tramp | smacnay: well, after the disk is mounted, access is granted through the permissions of the FS |
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| 21:33.34 | Tramp | pumpkin0: well, he wants it to be accessible by "anyone" not just himself - and I was weary about a recursive chmod (before I saw it was a freshly formatted disk) |
| 21:34.06 | pumpkin0 | eifzon_: did you copy the iso onto the usb-stick ? |
| 21:34.14 | eifzon_ | no |
| 21:34.23 | enouf | well |
| 21:34.33 | pumpkin0 | eifzon_: why did you not follow the install guide ? |
| 21:34.39 | eifzon_ | I did |
| 21:34.44 | eifzon_ | I could boot it etc.. |
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| 21:34.55 | pumpkin0 | eifzon_: why did you miss the part with the copy ? |
| 21:35.05 | eifzon_ | Shall I also have the iso file you mean? |
| 21:35.38 | pumpkin0 | you should follow the guide step-by-step and copy the iso onto the stick. |
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| 21:36.32 | DickBobSteve | www.debian.org has no ipv6 |
| 21:36.39 | DickBobSteve | when freebsd.org had for ages |
| 21:36.43 | DickBobSteve | shame on debian |
| 21:36.44 | DickBobSteve | :P |
| 21:37.09 | enouf | who needs ipv6? and what for? |
| 21:37.18 | DickBobSteve | for me and my dog |
| 21:37.27 | DickBobSteve | I am in china |
| 21:37.29 | streuner | Dont feed |
| 21:37.31 | DickBobSteve | and got only Ipv6 address |
| 21:37.35 | DickBobSteve | :-( |
| 21:37.35 | abrotman | DickBobSteve: the server or the route all the way there ? |
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| 21:37.46 | toki78 | hi |
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| 21:38.22 | toki78 | does anyone know that usb device : 067b:2305 |
| 21:38.24 | toki78 | ?? |
| 21:38.35 | toki78 | is there a driver available ?? |
| 21:38.42 | voltage | have a good one guys, thanks for the help |
| 21:38.43 | DickBobSteve | abrotman, well, no DNS record :-O |
| 21:38.48 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 21:39.00 | Miesco | I got libgpod version 3 from backports, I also have libgpod from the etch repository. How do I check what version of libgpod gtkpod is using? |
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| 21:39.18 | abrotman | toki78: not that i see |
| 21:39.20 | streuner | toki78: what kind of USB device is that? |
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| 21:40.04 | toki78 | USB<->parallel |
| 21:41.02 | streuner | Does it have a name, we need some details, our crystal thingie is in low state |
| 21:41.04 | toki78 | streuner, how can i find out, if a driver is available ? Is there a database somewhere ? |
| 21:41.07 | abrotman | streuner: do you want me to ask other people? or have oyu asked #debian-kernel ? |
| 21:41.27 | streuner | abrotman: have some patience |
| 21:41.30 | toki78 | Bus 005 Device 008: ID 067b:2305 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2305 Parallel Port |
| 21:41.31 | abrotman | for what? |
| 21:42.22 | streuner | for a solution |
| 21:42.37 | abrotman | from? |
| 21:42.44 | abrotman | streuner: oh .. that's what they said ? |
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| 21:43.05 | pipeline | toki78: if there were a driver available, it would probably have loaded itself. Is there a "usblp0" device in /dev ? Do you see anytihng interesting in dmesg | tail when you plug and unplug the thing? |
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| 21:43.46 | toki78 | dmesg | grep lp |
| 21:43.55 | toki78 | drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 8 if 0 alt 1 proto 2 vid 0x067B pid 0x2305 |
| 21:44.00 | toki78 | is that it ? |
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| 21:44.29 | toki78 | there is no usblp0 in /dev |
| 21:44.53 | toki78 | lp: driver loaded but no devices found |
| 21:45.05 | Bushmills | DickBobSteve: do you need dns record for your ipv6 ip? |
| 21:45.38 | toki78 | i dont wanna switch to windoofs |
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| 21:46.05 | DickBobSteve | Bushmills, no, I want www.debian.org to get one :) |
| 21:46.33 | Decepticon | what package is the crpyto lib sitting in? |
| 21:46.42 | Decepticon | configure: error: library 'crypto' is required for OpenSSL support |
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| 21:46.48 | abrotman | libcrypto ? |
| 21:47.07 | Decepticon | i tried, that unforunately, it doesnt know what that is |
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| 21:49.11 | toki78 | can you suggest me a usb<->parallel adapter which works under linux ?? |
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| 21:50.03 | enouf | abrotman: fwiw, i've been squatting over in d-k, one dev mentioned to another ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=CVE-2008-0600 ) about 4 hours ago - the other said "yep" as a reply ;-) |
| 21:50.08 | enouf | streuner: ^^^^ |
| 21:50.26 | bolt | is there a way i can check website availability through the console, for use in a bash script? something that will just try and connect and return an error code if it can't or something? can't use ping, as that doesn't get past the router. |
| 21:50.42 | Bushmills | bolt, wget -spider |
| 21:51.29 | abrotman | enouf: did they start building yet? |
| 21:51.31 | bolt | Bushmills: ooh! thanks! |
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| 21:52.56 | ivan_ | when i try to compile qt application i get this error make: *** No hay ninguna regla para construir el objetivo `/usr/lib/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf', necesario para `Makefile'. Alto. what it could be? |
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| 21:53.19 | simonrvn | qt4 dev package(s) |
| 21:53.28 | enouf | abrotman: i can't tell what's going on - it looks like a patch was uploaded just prior |
| 21:53.38 | cheeseboy | will someone make wine 0.9.55 deb please |
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| 21:54.01 | enouf | abrotman: prior to that little snippet of convo from above |
| 21:54.11 | simonrvn | cheeseboy: wrong place to ask here |
| 21:54.16 | abrotman | enouf: yeah .. i know what it was referring to |
| 21:54.22 | simonrvn | cheeseboy: wait, and it'll come |
| 21:54.39 | cheeseboy | i have waited |
| 21:54.41 | ivan_ | simonrvn, let me see |
| 21:54.45 | abrotman | for how long? |
| 21:54.59 | enouf | abrotman: [12:42:09] <CIA-2> waldi * r10475 /dists/etch-security/linux-2.6/debian/changelog: debian/changelog: Fix urgency. <-- i see that just prior (and many others) .. and many many more after (though not seemingly security related) |
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| 21:55.33 | cheeseboy | a week |
| 21:55.40 | blujay | I'm trying to get autofs to automount my external backup drive as a direct mount, and I've set up /etc/auto.master and pointed it to /etc/auto.backup, but when I reload autofs, it doesn't configure any mount points, and there are no errors, and nothing in syslog. Here are the files, any help? http://pastebin.ca/899115 http://pastebin.ca/899114 |
| 21:55.44 | abrotman | enouf: yeah .. you'd have to check the git repo i guess to see what actually went in |
| 21:55.45 | Bushmills | ivan_: that means, there was no such rule found in the Makefile |
| 21:55.47 | abrotman | cheeseboy: that's it?! |
| 21:56.03 | ivan_ | Bushmills, can fix that? |
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| 21:56.19 | ivan_ | simonrvn, when you say qt4 dev files is qt4-dev-tools package? |
| 21:56.21 | enouf | abrotman: or svn.debian.org maybe? |
| 21:56.30 | abrotman | enouf: whichever they're on |
| 21:56.32 | Monobi | what do I type into a terminal to get the computer to go into standby? |
| 21:56.38 | enouf | oh right - they moved, duh |
| 21:56.41 | enouf | abrotman: ^^^^ |
| 21:56.47 | abrotman | enouf: no .. i can't keep track anymore :) |
| 21:56.50 | simonrvn | ivan_: headers, and so on. that might be partof it |
| 21:56.52 | enouf | ok .. /me out .. bbl |
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| 21:57.21 | Bushmills | sounds to me that make is called with filename, rather than with make target |
| 21:57.26 | Clusty | hey |
| 21:57.43 | Monobi | what do I type into a terminal to get the computer to go into standby? |
| 21:57.49 | Monobi | sorry for spamming it |
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| 21:58.17 | Clusty | some asshole is trying passwords on my ssh server. is it possible to refuse ssh connections from an ip after a certain number of failed attempts for some time? |
| 21:58.23 | Clusty | like a temporary ban |
| 21:58.26 | abrotman | !info fail2ban etch |
| 21:58.28 | dpkg | fail2ban: (bans IPs that cause multiple authentication errors), section net, is optional. Version: 0.7.5-2 (etch), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 488 kB |
| 21:58.32 | simonrvn | "don't have any rule to construct the object `/usr....', needed for `'Makefile'. Stop." |
| 21:58.33 | synx | Clusty: I wrote a program to do that. |
| 21:58.50 | abrotman | Clusty: try fail2ban .. should work well for you |
| 21:58.55 | synx | Clusty: Uses iptables, drops their packets entirely. =) You should disable password login though, use only public key authentication. |
| 21:58.59 | Clusty | thanks a bunch |
| 21:59.11 | Clusty | synx: can't |
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| 21:59.18 | Clusty | synx: dealing with noobie windows users |
| 21:59.20 | Clusty | :D |
| 21:59.36 | Clusty | i am a halfway dumb linux user :D |
| 21:59.38 | synx | Clusty: too bad that :/ Just give them a key you generated? |
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| 22:00.03 | synx | Better'n giving them a password you generated by headbanging with the keyboard. |
| 22:00.15 | Clusty | will contemplate. might actually be doable. will ask boss :D |
| 22:00.24 | Clusty | well now they have a headbanged password |
| 22:00.26 | Clusty | :D |
| 22:00.27 | helo | i 4r 0wn3d |
| 22:00.37 | synx | hehe |
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| 22:02.00 | Clusty | think some smart ass used some easy english password |
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| 22:02.18 | Clusty | and together with bad permission we lost all SVN repo |
| 22:02.21 | Bushmills | first names are very popular as passwords |
| 22:02.23 | synx | xp ouch |
| 22:02.30 | Clusty | after this i took over admining system |
| 22:02.45 | Clusty | at least i had the pretext to put debian |
| 22:02.55 | Clusty | and trash suse (which i despise) |
| 22:02.57 | Clusty | :D |
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| 22:03.44 | synx | I'm pretty adamant about only using public keys, but don't have a really idiotic boss so it's not hard... just tell my users to paste the public key in the IM window, or whatever. |
| 22:04.50 | abrotman | not to paste ? |
| 22:05.04 | synx | No, to paste. |
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| 22:06.08 | Clusty | houston we have a problem :D |
| 22:06.38 | Clusty | its actually an ubuntu and that does not make a /var/log/pwdfail file |
| 22:06.45 | Clusty | its all in auth.log |
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| 22:07.08 | helo | you lose |
| 22:07.47 | abrotman | Clusty: have a problem with what? |
| 22:07.48 | Clusty | synx: its some script the thing you wrote? |
| 22:08.03 | Clusty | fail2ban needs /var/log/pwdfail |
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| 22:08.16 | abrotman | Clusty: 1) you should have asked #ubuntu 2) google "iptables ssh failed attempts ban" |
| 22:08.26 | synx | Clusty: Yeah, it watches the log file and when enough authentications mismatch, that IP goes into the plonk rule. |
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| 22:08.34 | Clusty | problem is: ubuntu people are not very knowledgeble |
| 22:08.35 | synx | Cleans out every 10 minutes. |
| 22:08.45 | abrotman | Clusty: right .. you're running ubuntu on a server |
| 22:08.48 | Clusty | channe; is swamped with retarded questions |
| 22:09.05 | Clusty | blame the boss again |
| 22:09.06 | Clusty | :D |
| 22:09.27 | abrotman | Clusty: you have your answer .. please go to #ubuntu |
| 22:09.30 | Nielsen | !google ssh-black |
| 22:09.41 | Clusty | will do chief |
| 22:09.43 | Clusty | :D |
| 22:09.45 | Clusty | thanks |
| 22:10.17 | Nielsen | http://www.pettingers.org/code/sshblack.html |
| 22:10.25 | Nielsen | thats the one i use |
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| 22:11.52 | Clusty | i know this is right place to ask :D |
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| 22:12.02 | Clusty | ...for at least a push in the right direction |
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| 22:12.38 | cire | is it possible to compile online one module instead of a whole kernel (phc-patched acpi-cpufreq) |
| 22:13.00 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:13.06 | tyraelx | Im trying to make ssl work on my apache server, I have added a virtualhost for *:443 -Now is there anything else I need to do? |
| 22:13.08 | synx | Yeah, mine works like ssh-black. Not too complicated really. |
| 22:13.33 | helo | way to be nice to an ubuntu user, abrotman :) |
| 22:13.34 | abrotman | tyraelx: setup the certificate |
| 22:13.37 | cire | abrotman: if your answer was dedicated to my question: would you give me a hint in which direction I have to search? |
| 22:13.39 | dondelelcaro | tyraelx: you need to turn the sslengine on for that, and make sure the server is listening on 443, and emable the ssl module. |
| 22:13.42 | abrotman | helo: is that sarcasm ? |
| 22:13.56 | tyraelx | Yes, I got the sslengine under virtualhost |
| 22:13.58 | helo | no, usually they have a few new orifices before they leave |
| 22:14.02 | abrotman | cire: we have modules like that in debian now .. like nvidia and madwifi |
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| 22:14.11 | tyraelx | I also have the ssl module, but I dotn have a certificate |
| 22:14.15 | tyraelx | but shouldnt it still work? |
| 22:14.15 | helo | you actually gave him advice that will fix his problem |
| 22:14.17 | abrotman | helo: he had his answer .. he got what he was after |
| 22:14.43 | BudgetDedicated | does anyone know when a fix for the kernel root exploit is to be expected ? |
| 22:15.07 | abrotman | BudgetDedicated: there is a "fix" in the bug mentioned on slashdot .. one would assume the kernel/security team is working on it |
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| 22:15.33 | Clusty | any links to this explit? |
| 22:15.52 | zinx | http://www.ping.uio.no/~mortehu/disable-vmsplice-if-exploitable.c |
| 22:16.05 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953 |
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| 22:16.15 | Clusty | zinx: forbidden |
| 22:16.20 | zinx | abrotman: just link 'em to the run-time fix :P |
| 22:16.26 | abrotman | why? |
| 22:16.34 | zinx | weird, it is forbidden |
| 22:16.43 | zinx | wasn't before |
| 22:16.51 | abrotman | zinx: there are unofficial packages in the bug |
| 22:17.08 | muramasa | Hi there. Sorry for being a beginner in the world of debian (and linux for that matter); but I was just wondering if debian-CD-1.iso would be enough to start playing with? If I'm just looking for a base-system and not lots of different packets |
| 22:17.15 | zinx | abrotman: ha! |
| 22:17.16 | abrotman | marcels: yes |
| 22:17.45 | zinx | abrotman: those are ancient! |
| 22:18.01 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:18.12 | usr_rob_ | i can mount NFS export in terminal, but the fstab won't mount it, any suggestions |
| 22:18.45 | usr_rob_ | the fstab line; 192.168.0.27:/home /home/robert/NFS nfs 0 0 |
| 22:18.45 | BudgetDedicated | yes I tried to get that 'fix' but no results |
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| 22:19.02 | Clusty | muramasa: i usually installed ubuntu from a 200mb network installation CD |
| 22:19.41 | zinx | http://zenthought.org/system/files/asset/2/disable-vmsplice-if-exploitable.c |
| 22:19.49 | zinx | ^ not forbidden |
| 22:19.49 | usr_rob_ | but i can mount it with mount 192.168.0.27:/home /home/robert/NFS no problem, i do not understand why fstab don't do it |
| 22:19.57 | Clusty | found the code |
| 22:20.07 | Clusty | and the kernel is vulnerable |
| 22:20.09 | Clusty | :D |
| 22:20.17 | zinx | not if you use the disabler |
| 22:20.21 | muramasa | Clusty, ubuntu? so i assume it's same for debian dist then |
| 22:20.35 | Clusty | it is |
| 22:20.38 | Clusty | almost |
| 22:20.55 | zinx | muramasa: what? |
| 22:21.00 | Bushmills | usr_rob_: looks like the "options" field is missing |
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| 22:21.55 | usr_rob_ | Bushmills: do i have to have any options ? maby 'user' ? |
| 22:21.58 | muramasa | zinx, hm?:-) I've never used debian before, and was wondering if the first iso would be enough for a fresh install, so I can explore and learn some :-) |
| 22:22.02 | zinx | ah - oh, we can give you debian answers here, but they often do not work on ubuntu, so don't blame us if you screw your system up here because we don't know anything about ubuntu. |
| 22:22.15 | zinx | muramasa: yes |
| 22:22.15 | Clusty | muramasa: use net install |
| 22:22.17 | Bushmills | usr_rob_: no, you don't have any, that's why it doesn't work |
| 22:22.19 | Clusty | its as fresh as it gets |
| 22:22.21 | zinx | muramasa: but yeah, use the net install |
| 22:22.35 | Clusty | they are downloaded |
| 22:22.43 | zinx | muramasa: it's a base system that installs, then downloads only what you have selected from the internet |
| 22:22.43 | Bushmills | mount thinks that "0" are the options |
| 22:22.58 | muramasa | zinx Clusty, ah I see :-) thank you, will try that one! sorry for being newbish ;) |
| 22:23.10 | Clusty | muramasa: no problemo |
| 22:23.19 | usr_rob_ | Bushmills: what options does mount.nfs use as default, do you know ? |
| 22:23.20 | Clusty | muramasa: billy, you lost another soul !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:23.22 | Clusty | :D |
| 22:23.43 | muramasa | haha |
| 22:23.56 | Bushmills | usr_rob_: I don't know what options *you* want. if you also don't, try "defaults" |
| 22:24.33 | usr_rob_ | Bushmills: i will try 'defaults', thx, will reboot now :) |
| 22:24.42 | Bushmills | reboot? |
| 22:25.03 | Bushmills | well, if you like to.\ |
| 22:25.05 | usr_rob_ | Bushmills: don't i need that to try fstab out ? |
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| 22:25.30 | Bushmills | yes, just modify, and try to mount again |
| 22:25.37 | Bushmills | mount -a |
| 22:26.09 | tyraelx | I dont understand this, I know ssl is enabled, but apache is not listening on port 443 |
| 22:26.11 | garotosopa | When Xorg starts and I try to get back to console I get a blank screen. Already tried vga=normal in grub but still the same. I'm on a notebook with nvidia driver on X. How could I solve this? |
| 22:26.38 | abrotman | garotosopa: ask #nvidia |
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| 22:26.50 | abrotman | tyraelx: did you check the ports.conf ? |
| 22:27.09 | garotosopa | abrotman, so it's definetely because of X's nvidia driver? |
| 22:27.10 | Arrick | I was just about to say that abrotman lol |
| 22:27.21 | abrotman | garotosopa: likely |
| 22:27.24 | tyraelx | yes, 443 is added there |
| 22:27.37 | tyraelx | debian does this automatically when mod_ssl is installed |
| 22:27.40 | abrotman | tyraelx: checked the apache log ? |
| 22:27.56 | ctp | hi folks. how to tell my debian box to "rm ~/.bash_history" automatically after every logout? |
| 22:28.17 | zinx | ctp: export HISTFILE='' and it won't be created |
| 22:28.30 | zinx | ctp: or /dev/null if you like |
| 22:28.53 | ctp | zinx: ok, thx. |
| 22:28.59 | pipeline | eh, but doesn't bash read/write the history file immediately? |
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| 22:29.04 | pipeline | I think that will actually make your history functions not work |
| 22:29.07 | zinx | pipeline: it reads it |
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| 22:29.14 | pipeline | that would work on tcsh or ksh, but not bash IIRC |
| 22:29.26 | zinx | pipeline: but i'm not sure if it reads it before the profile is run - it probably doesn't |
| 22:29.29 | abrotman | HISTSIZE = 0 ? |
| 22:29.38 | pipeline | abrotman: same problem |
| 22:29.47 | abrotman | why? |
| 22:29.53 | zinx | pipeline: afaik bash keeps the history in memory when not starting or exiting |
| 22:30.00 | pipeline | abrotman: that means you can't use history in the meanwhile |
| 22:30.00 | Tramp | no HISTFILESIZE |
| 22:30.04 | ctp | isnt there any way to tell the box: do foo after logout? |
| 22:30.05 | zinx | pipeline: it doesn't read from the file every time, that's just silly |
| 22:30.09 | pipeline | zinx: I think it actually does |
| 22:30.19 | zinx | pipeline: time to switch to zsh, then. |
| 22:30.25 | Tramp | pipeline: HISTSIZE != HISTFILESIZE - man bash |
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| 22:30.32 | zinx | i know for a fact zsh doesn't do anything anywhere near that retarded |
| 22:30.37 | pipeline | zinx: or wait, no I was thinking of a cheap nasty hack to use the $PROMPT to keep bash_history consistent between shells :) |
| 22:30.41 | pipeline | never mind me |
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| 22:30.44 | pipeline | Tramp: Wrong person. |
| 22:30.52 | Tramp | pipeline: sorry |
| 22:30.53 | abrotman | pipeline: so rm the file on .bash_logout |
| 22:31.01 | pipeline | there's a solution |
| 22:31.18 | usr_rob_ | Bushmills: no, fstab won't mount it, no problem to mount it manually >> "mount 192.168.0.27:/home /home/robert/NFS" |
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| 22:31.51 | Bushmills | usr_rob_: check your fstb entry |
| 22:31.54 | Bushmills | stab |
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| 22:32.30 | tyraelx | oh, it seems ssl wasnt installed |
| 22:32.45 | tyraelx | I assumed it was since ssl.conf existed.. |
| 22:32.48 | usr_rob_ | Bushmills: Okey |
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| 22:33.31 | ctp | abrotman: thx, works fine with .bash_logout |
| 22:33.38 | pumpkin0 | what can cause the scaling_governor to jump to powersafe from time to time ? i set it to performance or ondemand (works) but have powersafe after 5 min - 2 hours. |
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| 22:35.39 | BudgetDedicated | a working fix for the exploit is here: http://blog.bofh.it/id_131 |
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| 22:37.10 | ctp | ok, another question ;-) i wanna suppress the message "Last Login: foo from bar" after login. anyone here knows where the system retrieves the data appearing beyond the motd? |
| 22:38.23 | antum | Hello everyone, I've just installed the libxml2 package but can't find the installation dir? In particular I can't find xml2-config |
| 22:38.32 | abrotman | !find xml2-config etch |
| 22:38.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xml2-config' (1): (/usr/bin/xml2-config) in libdevel/libxml2-dev. |
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| 22:40.14 | fluor- | hey there - has anyone already installed RealPlayer on Debian AMD64? |
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| 22:41.07 | antum | abrotman I'm not getting anything xml* in /usr/bin... ?? |
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| 22:42.08 | abrotman | antum: read what the bot said |
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| 22:42.39 | antum | abrotman my apologies!! jumped the gun there.... sorry |
| 22:42.54 | Tramp | ctp: it retrieves it from utmp/wtmp. Check /etc/pam.d/login |
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| 22:47.11 | usr_rob_ | Bushmills: mount - works, but fstab do not mount it at boot, the syntax is okey due to mount -a works |
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| 22:47.35 | usr_rob_ | mount -a* |
| 22:47.47 | usr_rob_ | any suggestions ? |
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| 22:48.34 | casey-f^^ | damn. rtorrent works better when i take the throttle off. |
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| 22:49.30 | ctp | Tramp: thc |
| 22:50.05 | Tramp | np |
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| 22:54.04 | tyraelx | isnt there a apache2-ssl package? |
| 22:54.13 | tyraelx | (I know there is apache-ssl) |
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| 22:55.20 | streuner | abrotman: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/368394 - the last build is soon finsih |
| 22:57.16 | solemnwarning | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/10/2011257&from=rss |
| 22:57.28 | solemnwarning | Will s.d.o have a fix package for that soon? |
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| 22:57.58 | abrotman | streuner: i saw thatalready |
| 22:58.01 | abrotman | solemnwarning: when it gets there |
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| 22:58.16 | streuner | most boxes are prolly locked... at this state |
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| 23:00.01 | streuner | solemnwarning: look at the URL above, a new package is there available soon... |
| 23:00.29 | bkw_ | !dpkg find ps2pdf |
| 23:00.41 | streuner | !find ps2pdf |
| 23:00.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ps2pdf' (4 of 9): (/usr/share/fish/completions/ps2pdf.fish) in shells/fish ;; (/usr/bin/{ps2pdf|ps2pdf12|ps2pdf13|...}) in text/ghostscript ;; (/usr/share/apps/kile/icons/hicolor/32x32/actions/ps2pdf.png) in tex/kile ;; (/usr/share/dblatex/lib/dbtexmf/dblatex/grubber/ps2pdf.py) in text/dblatex. |
| 23:01.23 | streuner | apis:/tmp# dpkg -S /usr/bin/ps2pdf |
| 23:01.24 | streuner | ghostscript: /usr/bin/ps2pdf |
| 23:01.47 | streuner | bkw_: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:01.55 | bkw_ | yep gs was the correct package |
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| 23:05.27 | SerajewelKS | i am using dnsmasq to proxy DNS to my uni DNS servers. for some reason, lookups against my proxy from other boxen on my LAN take like ten seconds, while looking up the addresses against the proxy on the box itself are near instant. ideas? |
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| 23:07.41 | SerajewelKS | actually it appears that digs from this box just take a while to get sent out. there is a two-second delay between when i run dig and when tcpdump sees the packet go out. the response packet follows immediately. |
| 23:07.48 | SerajewelKS | why would dig exhibit this behavior? |
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| 23:08.16 | solemnwarning | SerajewelKS: ARP? |
| 23:08.19 | SerajewelKS | gah, ignore me. had a stray vpnc running leaving dead entries in resolv.conf |
| 23:08.53 | SerajewelKS | solemnwarning: nah, this is the same box that routes my traffic so i would assume the ARP entry is still fresh. |
| 23:09.02 | SerajewelKS | anyway i got it :) |
| 23:09.50 | spq | is the vanilla |
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| 23:10.13 | spq | 2.6.24.1 patched against the local root exploit? |
| 23:10.25 | abrotman | yea |
| 23:10.30 | streuner | http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/368394 |
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| 23:14.43 | webPrag\Laptop | i have a question about cron jobs... can i run a cron job "now" ? |
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| 23:17.13 | tyraelx | Laptop: Your question doesnt make any sense. |
| 23:17.22 | tyraelx | * webPrag |
| 23:17.43 | tyraelx | You can run a cronjob at any time you want. |
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| 23:21.51 | nevyn | now is not a valid time specification for cron.. you can do at(1) now |
| 23:22.33 | IPLAMAN | Hi 2 all |
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| 23:23.23 | IPLAMAN | i wanted to ask how can i setup l2tp connection in linux backtrack once i got ip from the ethrnet modem? |
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| 23:25.16 | you_dont_know_wh | hello |
| 23:25.19 | you_dont_know_wh | what's up? |
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| 23:31.20 | DeathWolf | Anyone knows if there's a way to log kernel panics in some way... I'm having deadly freezes on a remote server to which I have no access to... |
| 23:31.31 | DeathWolf | 10 in 19 days now |
| 23:31.55 | nevyn | DeathWolf: does it have sata disks? |
| 23:32.49 | DeathWolf | yes |
| 23:32.56 | DeathWolf | the main disk is sata. |
| 23:33.07 | DeathWolf | I tried both 2.6.23 and 2.6.24, but had the same kind of trouble |
| 23:33.26 | DeathWolf | was going to try 2.6.24-git now |
| 23:33.39 | nevyn | modify your root environment not to write anything on login. |
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| 23:33.48 | streuner | DeathWolf: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:33.57 | nevyn | or create a user account that doesn't attempt to write within the login process |
| 23:33.58 | Tapout | lol, that local root exploit worked on me.. ffs |
| 23:34.07 | DeathWolf | ii libc6 2.7-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 23:34.17 | Tapout | i just tested that local root exploit, and it worked flawlessly on etch |
| 23:34.19 | DeathWolf | Everytime the freeze kind of happened randomly. |
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| 23:34.37 | DeathWolf | usually as I'm doing some stuff and starting an application |
| 23:34.49 | DeathWolf | (wine 50% of the time, though I dont think it's wine's fault) |
| 23:34.50 | techouse | i have a small prblem; i forgot some software at home and now i'm on my windows laptop. i am just wondering if i have to insall some pecial ssh server on my debian box before i can sftp to it |
| 23:34.51 | ferret_0567_ | Tapout: what local root exploit? |
| 23:34.56 | DeathWolf | not a single trace of anything going wrong in the logs. |
| 23:35.00 | Tapout | http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5092 |
| 23:35.09 | DeathWolf | it has been driving me nuts. |
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| 23:35.11 | zinx | Tapout: http://www.ping.uio.no/~mortehu/disable-vmsplice-if-exploitable.c |
| 23:35.12 | streuner | ferret: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/368394 |
| 23:35.13 | Tapout | it was slashdot'd |
| 23:35.16 | DeathWolf | Most of the time, there isnt any ping anymore. |
| 23:35.27 | streuner | Tapout: tell news |
| 23:35.27 | DeathWolf | Though that last one, ports stayed open, but nothing would answer. |
| 23:35.34 | DeathWolf | Which let's me think it's a kernel problem. |
| 23:35.38 | zinx | Tapout: there are also packages for etch on the bug report |
| 23:35.44 | casey-f^^ | techouse: no. |
| 23:35.59 | DeathWolf | I checked the cpu temperature, it was very low(under 30deg) so that's not the problem. RAM seemed fine in tests too... |
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| 23:36.21 | DeathWolf | Sometimes the crash were during heavy load, but also during low load(last one was with a load of .2) |
| 23:36.37 | DeathWolf | streuner: anything wrong with my libc6? |
| 23:36.59 | streuner | DeathWolf: no, but prolly with the kernel... |
| 23:37.08 | DeathWolf | yeah... |
| 23:37.10 | Tapout | my exploit : http://www.pastebin.ca/899204 |
| 23:37.13 | zinx | ferret_0567_: try it? |
| 23:37.19 | ferret_0567_ | zinx: not yet |
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| 23:37.48 | ferret_0567_ | I'll try it soon, it doesn't seem like it does anything except exploit and run /bin/bash |
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| 23:38.08 | Tapout | ya it just gave me command prompt # |
| 23:38.23 | Tapout | no other users on my debian box but pretty impressive |
| 23:38.24 | zinx | ferret_0567_: that's all the widely-posted one does, or you can use http://www.ping.uio.no/~mortehu/disable-vmsplice-if-exploitable.c which just patches vmsplice to do nothing (thus closing the hole) |
| 23:39.21 | ferret_0567_ | how do I get the really smooth freetype hinter in debian lenny, the patented one? |
| 23:39.23 | juso | say I have a string of this "/foo/foo1/foo2" how can I have a variable of foo,foo1,foo2, by having the delimiter/exploding at "/" |
| 23:39.27 | juso | Anyone have an idea? |
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| 23:39.41 | ferret_0567_ | I liked it so much on Gentoo, SourceMage GNU/Linux, and Linux from Scratch |
| 23:39.42 | Trazi | Hi |
| 23:39.53 | zinx | juso: using what program? |
| 23:39.56 | juso | awk |
| 23:40.14 | abrotman | ferret_0567_: apparently 24.1 wasn't fixed correctly either |
| 23:40.20 | Tapout | zinx, that doesn't compile for me :( |
| 23:40.28 | zinx | juso: -F / ? |
| 23:40.31 | juso | hmm |
| 23:40.46 | zinx | Tapout: can you pastebin the full gcc output? |
| 23:41.12 | juso | yup that did it, thanks zinx |
| 23:41.37 | ferret_0567_ | does disable-vmsplice-if-exploitable patch the kernel? |
| 23:41.48 | Tapout | zinx: http://www.pastebin.ca/899208 |
| 23:41.50 | zinx | ferret_0567_: yes, in memory (it won't be patched when you reboot) |
| 23:42.01 | zinx | ferret_0567_: so it's good until you can upgrade, not so great afterwards. |
| 23:42.07 | ferret_0567_ | thought so...I'm a newbie in programming |
| 23:42.22 | zinx | also, if you have anything that uses vmsplice, it will break (but very little does) |
| 23:42.23 | ferret_0567_ | and I don't have my C book with me... |
| 23:42.38 | zinx | and i think a program breaking is a bit more sane than giving root to anynoe |
| 23:42.40 | zinx | erh, anyone |
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| 23:43.20 | zinx | Tapout: that's a crazy error o_O |
| 23:43.30 | Tapout | zinx, are they working on a fix in etch? |
| 23:43.34 | Tapout | nothing on aptitude yet |
| 23:43.42 | zinx | Tapout: of course |
| 23:44.24 | streuner | Tapout: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/368394 |
| 23:44.27 | zinx | Tapout: your gcc installation is broken somehow, or what you grabbed is different from what i grabbed |
| 23:44.38 | ferret_0567_ | how do I get the really smooth freetype hinter in debian lenny, the patented one (not the autohinter)? |
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| 23:45.20 | Tapout | i'm surprised the guy that figured this out ... released the code.. |
| 23:45.27 | Tapout | surprised he aint trying to exploit everyone |
| 23:46.12 | abrotman | ferret_0567_: it's likely not DFSG free or remotely near so .. do you know the name? |
| 23:46.32 | zinx | Tapout: despite appearances, most people are not evil |
| 23:46.32 | ferret_0567_ | abrotman: no |
| 23:47.23 | juso | need some awk help |
| 23:47.54 | Supaplex | !ask |
| 23:47.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 23:48.42 | Supaplex | perl > awk :P |
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| 23:48.55 | nevyn | yes it is. |
| 23:48.56 | a1fa | hey.. how do i tell xorg to ignore my monitor info? |
| 23:48.56 | Daveman | Supaplex :D |
| 23:49.01 | PythonNinja | kde thinks it needs kdm to install.. i don't want kdm.. how should i fix this? is there an apt/dpkg option to say "remove it, and ignore reverse dependencies?" |
| 23:49.03 | nevyn | perl is much bigger than awk.. |
| 23:49.06 | antum | What does the @ sign mean next to the file information, when I do "ls -la" |
| 23:49.14 | Daveman | tell it to get back in the kitchen! |
| 23:49.17 | Supaplex | and /bin/true is smaller than awk. |
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| 23:49.24 | Daveman | oh wait, that's your woman, not monitor, sorry :p |
| 23:49.26 | abrotman | PythonNinja: start smaller |
| 23:49.30 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 23:49.30 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 23:49.32 | nevyn | right.. and each of these have a place |
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| 23:50.01 | Supaplex | some in /bin others in /usr/bin ;) hehehaha. *nod* |
| 23:50.01 | nevyn | running perl with a script that returns 0 is not really a good idean when you could just run /bin/true |
| 23:51.15 | metasyntax | Hi; when I upgraded from release to testing, my laptop won't boot with the 2.6.22 kernel. |
| 23:51.32 | metasyntax | It hangs at the message: "NET: Registered protocol family 2" |
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| 23:52.06 | metasyntax | System is an AMD Turion 64 x2, but running an i486 kernel. |
| 23:52.18 | cheeseboy | anyone know a tut on configuring alsa? |
| 23:52.40 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 23:52.40 | dpkg | methinks alsa one-liner is "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA (ask about <devdsp>). You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. |
| 23:52.48 | sauvin | Who is vulnerable to the kernel exploit discussed at this link? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953#14 |
| 23:53.09 | effe | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=432229 |
| 23:53.09 | metasyntax | An OpenSUSE wiki page said to set maxcpus=0 as a boot parameter, but that didn't help. |
| 23:53.13 | cheeseboy | abrotman, configuring not installing |
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| 23:54.45 | dondelelcaro | sauvin: anyone running etch or later. |
| 23:54.59 | Supaplex | metasyntax: how sad, that could be running amd64 :) at least install a -686 kernel |
| 23:55.00 | dondelelcaro | sauvin: so far only known to be i386 and amd64, but it may affect other architectures |
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| 23:55.40 | sauvin | Assuming the box has no users other than myself, is it vulnerability realisable by browsing with javascript enabled? |
| 23:56.35 | abrotman | cheeseboy: what else do you want ? |
| 23:57.09 | vinc456 | is the kernel installed in etch (2.6.18-5-686) vulnerable to the exploit? |
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| 23:57.34 | cheeseboy | Using "ALSA" audio driver with device "default":ALSA Error: snd_pcm_open(&alsa_pcm, id ? id : "hw:0", SND_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK, 0) Device or resource busy |
| 23:57.40 | docwiki | heya |
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| 23:57.45 | synx | Holy heck, the 2.6.23 vanilla kernel is vulnerable to the exploit |
| 23:57.58 | synx | So 2.6.18 is a wee bit behind that. |
| 23:58.03 | cheeseboy | there way to configure alsa to avoid that error |
| 23:58.18 | streuner | synx: put that into sources.list, if you running etch - deb http://134.2.34.20/blank/debian/linux-2.6/ ./ |
| 23:58.51 | abrotman | streuner: will those get upgraded when the real one comes ? |
| 23:58.53 | streuner | synx: all kernels betwee 2.6.17 - 2.6.24 are effected... |
| 23:58.55 | synx | Uh, I use the vanilla kernel, from kernel.org. |
| 23:58.59 | abrotman | affected |
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| 23:59.06 | streuner | abrotman: those are the real ones :-) |
| 23:59.10 | abrotman | synx: you're vulnerable too if you've enabled it |
| 23:59.17 | synx | Okay, so there you go. 2.6.18 is vulnerable, vinc456 |
| 23:59.20 | abrotman | streuner: i don't think bastian is on the security team .. but whatever |
| 23:59.25 | ferret_0567_ | Tapout: what CFLAGS did you use for the local root exploit you were talking about? |
| 23:59.37 | streuner | abrotman: -security needs some time to put that on the server... |
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| 23:59.42 | amphi | abrotman: enabled what/\? |
