| 00:00.08 | IronManMario | and you blamed the processor |
| 00:00.09 | Azar | the only useful and good thing I did here was preaching the use of aptitude for the past 4 years |
| 00:00.09 | wire | if you all really want to continue this arch debate, use #debian-offtopic |
| 00:00.09 | Nyle | Azar: well, I am packaging the engine, I was gonna give you some control files and was wondering if you could build the large data/graphics packs and upload them, as I have near dialup speed |
| 00:00.20 | Nyle | Azar: you won't be compiling any software |
| 00:00.20 | Guerin | IronManMario: you are sailing close to a banning, I sense |
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| 00:00.54 | Azar | I don't think I have upload rights on Debian :) |
| 00:00.57 | Nyle | Azar: it took me almost 9 days just to download 800mb of doom2 hires textures |
| 00:01.16 | Nyle | just immagine how long it would take for me to upload the fucking things |
| 00:01.27 | Azar | I have the old doom demo 16bit one |
| 00:01.38 | Nyle | thats alright, I gotta fine other means of net, like the isp we have, and the area I live in |
| 00:01.42 | suwro | wols: i am ashamed to tell you I use now an AMD64 but usualy my servers are HP PA-RISC and old SPARC |
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| 00:02.04 | Emerica | blah |
| 00:02.07 | suwro | wols: oldie but goldie |
| 00:02.10 | Nyle | its mostly poor people, I have only found one verizon which I thought was fios, and everything else is 768kbit up so no wireless for me |
| 00:02.23 | Nyle | its useless to even hack wep for me now since wher eI live there is no faster internet |
| 00:02.27 | Nyle | it sucks |
| 00:02.29 | Nyle | :( |
| 00:02.31 | Azar | I don't have wireless, and I already feel better |
| 00:02.44 | suwro | lol |
| 00:02.52 | Nyle | well, I'm just saying, back home I could catch wireles sand crack a wep or two and have faster internet than I paid for |
| 00:02.55 | Nyle | you know |
| 00:03.00 | wols | suwro: hang on to them a few more years and you can sell them as antiques for more than you bought them... shesh |
| 00:03.01 | Nyle | nm |
| 00:03.09 | Nyle | anyway... I'll figure something out |
| 00:03.09 | moshii | 100mb wtf :) |
| 00:03.14 | suwro | wols: hehe - I will :) |
| 00:03.30 | p1l6r1m | 100mb? |
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| 00:03.38 | suwro | wols: was bought loong time ago - barely can't remember.. |
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| 00:03.58 | moshii | p1l6r1m: 100mbit connection |
| 00:04.03 | suwro | ok - gtg - i got sleepy. |
| 00:04.04 | Azar | Nyle: told you so: you should have come here, move in with me |
| 00:04.07 | suwro | BYE |
| 00:04.17 | Nyle | Azar: I'm scared you'll cook me or something and eat me |
| 00:04.22 | Nyle | hehe hehehe |
| 00:04.32 | Azar | Nyle: no you would cook and code, while I am at work |
| 00:04.34 | p1l6r1m | man, i dont have the courage to say my speed |
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| 00:05.20 | Nyle | man cox comm in oklahoma city, 39.99/mo and you get a full blown 24/7 never slowdown 10Mbps network |
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| 00:05.57 | Azar | I got covad with $70.00/mo 4 dedicated adsl lines |
| 00:05.57 | dutche- | I made an upgrade of libc6 and libc6-dev here, and now when I run any command, it says me that there's no libc.so.6, when I run "ls" command it says that librt.so.1 does not exist....what can I do now?? I can log in single mode...and the commands runs |
| 00:06.17 | Nyle | Azar: total throughput? |
| 00:06.24 | Nyle | combined bw or what? |
| 00:06.27 | Guerin | dutche-: why did you upgrade those packages? |
| 00:06.27 | Azar | Nyle: never bothered to measure |
| 00:06.35 | moshii | dutche-: if libc is broken you need to use builtins or something to fix it |
| 00:06.39 | Guerin | dutche-: and by what means? |
| 00:06.44 | Azar | Nyle: each individual for my 3 PCs |
| 00:06.57 | Nyle | Azar: how many people live with you |
| 00:07.03 | Azar | Nyle: 3 cats |
| 00:07.06 | Nyle | oh |
| 00:07.23 | moshii | Azar: They cats are computer litter-ate? |
| 00:07.33 | dutche- | Guerin, cuz I needed to install subversion, and aptitude did it by itself |
| 00:07.34 | moshii | s/they/the/ |
| 00:07.41 | Azar | Id give you my bedroom where I have 2 PC and a big bed all yours |
| 00:07.42 | Nyle | moshii: I assumed he meant pussy |
| 00:07.46 | Nyle | as in girls |
| 00:07.48 | Azar | moshii: hehe |
| 00:07.56 | Azar | no , man real cats |
| 00:07.58 | Nyle | hopefully |
| 00:08.06 | Nyle | Azar: I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt |
| 00:08.10 | dutche- | moshii, I need to use builtins?? how can I do that? which builtins yar talking about |
| 00:08.15 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:08.15 | Azar | I sleep in the living on the couch anyways.. |
| 00:08.18 | Guerin | dutche-: it sounds like you installed them from outside your current distro, which is a surefiore road to breakage. |
| 00:08.31 | Nyle | away |
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| 00:09.01 | moshii | dutche-: stuff that is built-in to the shell or statically linked.. everything is linked against libc you see |
| 00:09.32 | moshii | Nyle: If you have 3 cats you don't need women |
| 00:09.38 | mark6 | does anyone use kplaylist? |
| 00:09.48 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 00:09.58 | p1l6r1m | i must desagree |
| 00:10.00 | Azar | moshii: you aren't too clever: women love cats, that's the catch |
| 00:10.01 | nivanson | During kernel upgrade with apt /boot/grub/menu.lst is rebuilt with new kernel entries. If I modify this file (setting up so booting from both of my software raid drives is possible) will it still rebuild automatically? If not, could it be solved by storing a copy of the original menu.lst and put it back before eventual kernel upgrades? |
| 00:10.08 | Nyle | dude |
| 00:10.12 | Nyle | I dunno bout you |
| 00:10.16 | Nyle | but I NEED women |
| 00:10.17 | dutche- | Guerin, so, if I enter in single mode and do an aptitude upgrade....it *should* fix that, right? |
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| 00:10.25 | Nyle | I can't take care of mysel |
| 00:10.31 | Nyle | I can't, I admit |
| 00:10.32 | Azar | Nyle: me too but that does not mean they have to live with me |
| 00:10.34 | moshii | Azar: man, I gave my cat away and moved country for a woman! *cries* |
| 00:10.44 | Guerin | dutche-: it probably won't even run, because the debian tools are dynamically linked against libc |
| 00:10.54 | Guerin | dutche-: you may well have to reinstall. |
| 00:10.55 | Nyle | I need a woman to live with me and take care of me, and also code for me hopefuly |
| 00:11.09 | Nyle | Azar: I can' do jack shit myself |
| 00:11.13 | Azar | I can't live with a woman: they talk 24/7 |
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| 00:11.16 | Nyle | cook, clean, laundry, whatever |
| 00:11.20 | Guerin | christ |
| 00:11.21 | Nyle | i can't do anything |
| 00:11.31 | Azar | Guerin: did you called me? |
| 00:11.32 | p1l6r1m | Azar, thas is true |
| 00:11.32 | Guerin | would the pair of you stop demonstrating why ytou DON'T have women in your lives? |
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| 00:11.35 | Bambr | hi, i got wireless pci card, which uses rt61 kernel module, which i compiled and successfully loaded, what do i need to write to /etc/network/interfaces if i want to use this card with AP having WEP authorization? |
| 00:11.51 | moshii | dutche-: you could always manually fix libc and then work from there |
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| 00:11.54 | Nyle | Guerin: I'm happy engaged to be married, but I'm trying to tell Azar to get rid of cats and get a woman |
| 00:12.03 | Nyle | Guerin: happily* |
| 00:12.13 | khanman_ | Nyle, how long? |
| 00:12.17 | wire | Bambr: did you use the rt2x00 source for the module? |
| 00:12.20 | Nyle | 20 years+ |
| 00:12.29 | Nyle | don't ask, long story |
| 00:12.32 | _moro_bana_ | i just installed debian on my second hd , whats the equivalent of startx here i want GUI |
| 00:12.35 | Bambr | wire: yup, since it's the only good source i found |
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| 00:12.40 | dutche- | moshii, but how can I manually fix libc?? any idea? |
| 00:12.46 | Nyle | _moro_bana_: startx is startx |
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| 00:12.56 | khanman_ | Nyle, lucky...im at 6 and will not see 7 |
| 00:13.04 | _moro_bana_ | Nyle: it said command not found |
| 00:13.05 | moshii | dutche-: I pasted some ld output into a shell one bad and totally nuked a 20-something-u sun box.. lots files jammed into the right places later it worked again. ;) |
| 00:13.07 | wire | yeah, I did too. I think I am at about the same place you are. except I am trying to make an access point with it |
| 00:13.08 | Azar | _moro_bana_: startx, and if it does not work is because you need the video driver, and xserver installed |
| 00:13.18 | Bambr | wire :) |
| 00:13.19 | Nyle | _moro_bana_: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 00:13.36 | wire | Bambr: unsuccessfully though |
| 00:13.50 | Nyle | khanman_: pity |
| 00:14.02 | moshii | dutche-: use a livecd or something to boot the system and put the correct libc files into the system manually... then boot into the real system and reinstall libc6 properly |
| 00:14.02 | Bambr | wire: i've got plenty of instructions by google for wpa authorization, but nothing clear for WEP |
| 00:14.03 | _moro_bana_ | Nyle: i used the netinst cd |
| 00:14.38 | khanman_ | agreed |
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| 00:14.38 | nivanson | Bambr, iwconfig name essid name, iwconfig name key key, dhclclient name |
| 00:14.38 | Nyle | _moro_bana_: so... /msg dpkg setup x |
| 00:14.38 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, which de did u install? |
| 00:14.38 | Azar | Nyle: you should move in Utah and become a mormon: get as many wives you want |
| 00:14.55 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: ? |
| 00:15.01 | Nyle | Azar: I'm muslim, I am allowed 4 and by god I shall make good use of all 4 |
| 00:15.04 | khanman_ | hah...like any man can handle more than 1 |
| 00:15.05 | Bambr | nivanson, did iwconfig ra0 essid name key KEY |
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| 00:15.12 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, KDE, Gnome |
| 00:15.14 | khanman_ | wtf do you think they made it illegal? :) |
| 00:15.15 | p1l6r1m | ? |
| 00:15.15 | Azar | Nyle: cool man! |
| 00:15.23 | Bambr | nivanson, dhcpclient may be? |
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| 00:15.40 | moshii | 4 wives == getting told to do the washing 4 times?? |
| 00:15.41 | Nyle | Azar: well, I'm not really practicing, I don't even believe, but my parents are, and its convenient for polygamy so |
| 00:15.44 | Nyle | there it is. |
| 00:15.46 | Bambr | nivanson, and name for dhcpclient is name of network interface, right? |
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| 00:15.55 | nivanson | Bambr, dhclclient device to get your ip |
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| 00:16.05 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: ddnt come across that, never had an option on that |
| 00:16.09 | dutche- | moshii, thanks for the help |
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| 00:16.14 | dutche- | Guerin, thanks man |
| 00:16.17 | Nyle | moshii: not 4 western wives... |
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| 00:16.33 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, i made a netinstall instalation myself |
| 00:16.34 | moshii | Nyle: even eastern wives tell you to do the washing.. |
| 00:16.35 | Guerin | dutche-: good luck |
| 00:16.39 | kjs | Guys I have this odd problem, my firewall wont allow VNC sessions, it allows it to connect but the session appears blank. Im sure it is firewall related. Can anyone have a look and see if i have done any thing stupid. http://pastebin.ca/885591 |
| 00:16.42 | Nyle | moshii: right |
| 00:16.55 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, i could pass the basics i instaled here if u want |
| 00:17.16 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: pass em |
| 00:17.29 | p1l6r1m | wait a moment |
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| 00:18.25 | Bambr | nivanson, dhclient says network is down, but it is not actually |
| 00:18.32 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, just so i had a GUI, i instaled "x-window-system-core" and "gnome-core" |
| 00:18.43 | nivanson | Bambr, ifconfig device up |
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| 00:18.53 | Seb | i've set LC_ALL to UTF-8 in /etc/postgresql/8.3/main/environment, but the server still seems to be runnning under a latin9 encoding |
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| 00:18.59 | Seb | what am I forgetting ? |
| 00:19.03 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, if u like kde or other, install it instead of gnome |
| 00:19.11 | Seb | yes, I've restarted postgres after editing the file |
| 00:19.17 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: i prefer gnome |
| 00:19.32 | Nyle | I looooove kde becaause it is so much more consistent in its entirety than gnome |
| 00:19.40 | dvs | yup |
| 00:19.49 | dvs | and KDE doesn't assume that you're an idiot! |
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| 00:20.31 | Guerin | i disagree |
| 00:20.33 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, so, i believe these two will do the trick |
| 00:20.38 | Nyle | gnome is ugly. horrible dialoge design, gtk2 themes are set in stone and color schemes can't be modified... desktop isn't as configurable as KDE, and its a lot less responsive than KDE as well |
| 00:20.40 | Guerin | it just presumed you're an idiot with adhd |
| 00:20.44 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: still confused |
| 00:20.45 | Bambr | nivanson, did ifconfig ra0 up - said nothing, tried dhclient ra0 after that - still: network is down |
| 00:20.50 | achilles | today my biology teacher saw my linux book and we started talking about linux for a little bit:) |
| 00:20.55 | Guerin | moshii: hah |
| 00:21.07 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, u will have a gui and can install the rest manually. its wuat i did. |
| 00:21.20 | p1l6r1m | *what |
| 00:21.23 | Nyle | Guerin: I disagree. After having used close to everything out there and honestly giving everything a shot, I liked kde the best and stuck with it. Now I can't live without it |
| 00:21.28 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: im on command line |
| 00:21.35 | Nyle | Guerin: and I disagree because I am not an idiot. |
| 00:21.42 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: how do i install that |
| 00:21.45 | nivanson | Bambr, are you associated with your essid? check iwconfic ra0 and man iwconfig |
| 00:21.45 | Nyle | you may think so, but you'd be wrong ;) |
| 00:21.47 | moshii | Nyle: tried kde 4? .... |
| 00:21.50 | Nyle | no need |
| 00:21.54 | Guerin | Nyle: just because you use it doesn't mean it was designed for you. |
| 00:21.56 | Nyle | don't care about kde4 |
| 00:22.01 | achilles | :O |
| 00:22.12 | Nyle | Guerin: if I like something, it was designed for me. |
| 00:22.20 | achilles | true |
| 00:22.21 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, to install, type "sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome-core" |
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| 00:22.36 | achilles | lol |
| 00:23.05 | Guerin | Nyle: you sound like an ID proponent. |
| 00:23.11 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m; thats the problem u see, i use login internet |
| 00:23.25 | Nyle | Guerin: you sound like a tool! |
| 00:23.31 | _moro_bana_ | microsoft vpn, i could with ubuntu |
| 00:23.33 | Nyle | heh hehehe hehee |
| 00:23.39 | Guerin | Nyle: like I said earlier: industrial strength. |
| 00:23.44 | Nyle | hehe word man |
| 00:23.50 | holycow | hey guys |
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| 00:23.55 | Nyle | hi |
| 00:24.00 | achilles | is it ok to use ubuntu?:P |
| 00:24.03 | Bambr | nivanson, http://pastebin.ca/885611 , the output of iwconfig for ra0 |
| 00:24.05 | holycow | doing something like: ip route add 192.168.55.0/24 via 192.168.1.254 dev eth1 ... does that stay on reboot? |
| 00:24.06 | dvs | achilles: NO |
| 00:24.12 | Guerin | achilles: only if you don't talk about it. |
| 00:24.19 | Guerin | achilles: like GAMP |
| 00:24.23 | moshii | achilles: use what you want, just don't expect use to fix it |
| 00:24.23 | Guerin | and furry porn |
| 00:24.26 | achilles | ok than *stops his ubuntu dvd download* |
| 00:24.33 | Nyle | then* |
| 00:24.36 | Nyle | and good. |
| 00:24.40 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: u there |
| 00:24.45 | Nyle | !u |
| 00:24.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 00:24.51 | Nyle | ohh i just had to |
| 00:24.58 | Nyle | howz u doin lol |
| 00:25.01 | Nyle | lolz |
| 00:25.22 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_ yeah |
| 00:25.34 | achilles | is mandriva 2008 ok? |
| 00:25.39 | moshii | engrish wtf |
| 00:25.39 | Guerin | no |
| 00:25.41 | dvs | !lart achilles |
| 00:25.43 | Nyle | achilles: behave |
| 00:25.48 | Nyle | achilles: /topic |
| 00:25.53 | Nyle | !guidelines |
| 00:25.54 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading docs (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people). See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
| 00:25.54 | achilles | ok ill behave:) |
| 00:26.11 | achilles | hey i saw a troll here last time |
| 00:26.23 | Bambr | nivanson, any clues? |
| 00:26.25 | nivanson | Bambr, If "Wazzap" is really your networks essid (check with iwlist ra0 scanning) and you already did ifconfig ra0 up, I have no clue what causes your dhclclient to fail |
| 00:26.36 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: any ideas |
| 00:27.09 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, so, if i understood correctly, you dont have the internet working , so you could do the download. is that? |
| 00:27.17 | Bambr | nivanson, iwlist ra0 scanning answers No scan results |
| 00:27.37 | Nyle | what is the best supported wifi in linux? |
| 00:27.47 | dvs | Nyle: intel |
| 00:27.49 | Nyle | intel? |
| 00:27.49 | penp | intel |
| 00:27.52 | Nyle | i figured |
| 00:27.58 | CartoonCat | um, atheros |
| 00:28.02 | penp | yeah, figures |
| 00:28.02 | Bambr | nivanson, if i can see card in lspci output, it should be working and plugged in correctly, right? :D |
| 00:28.04 | penp | ive got atheros |
| 00:28.05 | penp | :| |
| 00:28.10 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: the internet works on my ubuntu, yes to the q |
| 00:28.10 | Nyle | hmm, I've a broadcom |
| 00:28.16 | achilles | logs off *to use mandriva 2008 that is always updated unlike debian# lol |
| 00:28.18 | CartoonCat | brcm, ikkies |
| 00:28.20 | Nyle | I've no luck with packet injection on intel |
| 00:28.27 | penp | :| |
| 00:28.38 | Nyle | however, bcm4306 is doing just fine with a driver patch to the source |
| 00:28.52 | CartoonCat | Nyle, packet injection, with brcm?! |
| 00:29.01 | Nyle | br? |
| 00:29.02 | Nyle | no |
| 00:29.04 | Nyle | bcm43xx |
| 00:29.08 | Nyle | I have a 4306 |
| 00:29.16 | CartoonCat | brcm is broadcom |
| 00:29.21 | Nyle | yes i know |
| 00:29.34 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, ok. but is it one machine in dual boot? |
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| 00:29.52 | nivanson | Bambr, yeah. I am not able to help you. |
| 00:29.56 | Bambr | nivanson, did lshw, says disabled for that interface ( ra0 ) |
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| 00:30.23 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, or they are two machines. one with ubuntu and other with the debian net install? |
| 00:30.27 | Nyle | i think this lady has fios but for some reason every day the wep is changed |
| 00:30.39 | Nyle | its annoying |
| 00:30.39 | Bambr | nivanson, may be i must enable it, somehow? :) ( have no clues ) |
| 00:30.41 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: on one machine, on diff hdds, |
| 00:30.56 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: they dont share grub |
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| 00:31.17 | phyburn | can I just edit /etc/hosts to change my hostname? |
| 00:31.22 | phyburn | or my computer name |
| 00:31.34 | penp | sort of |
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| 00:31.44 | moshii | Nyle: you change have multiple wep keys iirc |
| 00:31.46 | IronManMario | what's the location of the windows partition so i can mount it? it's not in /dev |
| 00:31.47 | penp | youll also need to execute hostname |
| 00:31.57 | moshii | Nyle: s/change/can |
| 00:32.24 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: i boot from different HDS |
| 00:32.27 | penp | IronManMario: what windows partition? can you be more specific? |
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| 00:32.49 | jom1 | Hello, how can I mount a LVM partition ? ( I'm curently on my rescue system ) and I don't know how to mount it ( it's /dev/hda2 14 9733 78075900 8e Linux LVM) |
| 00:32.55 | wols | !tell phyburn about hostname |
| 00:32.57 | IronManMario | What do you mean what windows partition? there's only one |
| 00:33.08 | IronManMario | it's called DRV3_VOL1 |
| 00:33.09 | sChaa | yeeeee after some hours of fight finaly make the smp working yé openbsd rocks ! |
| 00:33.19 | penp | IronManMario: fdisk -l should show what drives are currently being detected |
| 00:33.29 | wols | sChaa: wrong channel |
| 00:33.44 | sChaa | ops :) |
| 00:33.50 | penp | IronManMario: if its got an NTFS partition, there's your device |
| 00:33.57 | sChaa | debian rocks too just after openbsd ;) |
| 00:33.58 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, as i see (i'm not any expert here, ok), you can setup the conection somehow (and i can't help here, since my modem is routed, so i didn't have much trouble) or, you could download the "x-system-core" and "gnome-core" and put them in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:34.04 | moshii | sChaa: now you need to find something that'll actually run on openbsd |
| 00:34.32 | sChaa | everything in need is working moshii ;) |
| 00:34.45 | IronManMario | bash: fdisk: command not found |
| 00:34.55 | IronManMario | E: Package fdisk has no installation candidate |
| 00:35.24 | penp | IronManMario: are you running it as root? |
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| 00:35.36 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, you download them from the ubuntu and, put them in the ubuntu HD. this way, you will have GUI and, may be easier to do the rest of the setup |
| 00:35.43 | IronManMario | ya, you have to be root to do apt-get |
| 00:35.53 | penp | oh duh |
| 00:35.54 | penp | lol |
| 00:35.59 | penp | sec |
| 00:36.00 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, *on the debian HD (sorry) |
| 00:36.36 | sChaa | is aptitude is not done to replace apt with a best packages managing ? |
| 00:36.52 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, did you understand what i meant here? |
| 00:36.53 | dondelelcaro | sChaa: in general, you should be using aptitude, yes. |
| 00:36.56 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: thanks i will keep on asking |
| 00:37.07 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: no |
| 00:37.09 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, ok. |
| 00:37.12 | penp | sChaa: its all user preference |
| 00:37.17 | akuwamari | i am trying to update debian but i got this |
| 00:37.18 | akuwamari | Se encontraron errores al procesar: |
| 00:37.18 | akuwamari | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.18 | akuwamari | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 00:37.21 | penp | sChaa: just dont mix them and youll be ok |
| 00:37.25 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, do u want me to explain? |
| 00:37.34 | dondelelcaro | penp: it actually matters less in unstable if you mix them... |
| 00:37.36 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m yes |
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| 00:38.00 | penp | dondelelcaro: but in stable, it matters |
| 00:38.25 | penp | IronManMario: fdisk should be in /sbin |
| 00:38.41 | penp | unless its part of some package..but i think it should be in there by default |
| 00:38.49 | achilles | who likes cats? |
| 00:39.13 | akuwamari | i am trying to update debian but i got error |
| 00:39.15 | akuwamari | http://www.pastebin.ca/885628 |
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| 00:39.53 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: are you still there |
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| 00:40.24 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, ok. when you install a package (like "gnome-core", for example), they stay on /var/cache/apt/archives. So, if you download them from the Ubuntu install, you have, and move them to /var/cache/apt/archives in the debian install, when you do the "apt-get install", it will intall it, even if you dont have the internet access. |
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| 00:41.19 | jom1 | how can I find out what boot loader I'm using? lilo or grub? |
| 00:41.48 | Nyle | jom1: reboot the system and watch the screen, or apt-cache policy grub |
| 00:41.48 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, sorry with any sentence sound funny. English is not my native language, so, i'm making a big effort here... |
| 00:41.53 | akuwamari | any help? |
| 00:42.16 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: ahh i get it, because i can open up the HD from here and copy em to that file |
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| 00:42.18 | Gun_Smoke | Anything wrong with installing virtualbox from the repos? Someone had mentioned better to go with source the other day and I didn't have time to figure out why.? |
| 00:42.19 | IronManMario | now it's saying I don't have the mnt command |
| 00:42.23 | IronManMario | for mounting stuff |
| 00:42.30 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, yes |
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| 00:42.45 | Mania | hi |
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| 00:42.59 | Mania | how can i use gnome desktop with Debian? |
| 00:43.08 | Nyle | !install gnome |
| 00:43.09 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 00:43.11 | p1l6r1m | and, since you can download any package from the debian site, that shouldnt be hard |
| 00:43.13 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: so which package do i have to move |
| 00:43.24 | Gun_Smoke | Mania: What do you have now? |
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| 00:43.50 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: english is neither my native, no problem |
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| 00:43.56 | Mania | have debian but is defrrence with ubuntu-gnome another icon |
| 00:44.13 | Gun_Smoke | what? |
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| 00:44.34 | Mania | i have debian but is not gnome |
| 00:44.52 | Gun_Smoke | Mania: KDE then or just the base install? |
| 00:45.03 | IronManMario | mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 00:45.12 | IronManMario | it's in /dev |
| 00:45.16 | IronManMario | and its saying that |
| 00:45.22 | IronManMario | I typed mount /dev/hda2 |
| 00:45.29 | JordiGH | I aborted a netinstall because for some reason, it was downloading packages from etch instead of lenny. I couldn't get debconf to restart properly, so I rebooted the machine. Now I want to get back to where I was, but the problem is that I encrypted my hard drive. Is there a way I can tell debconf to decrypt the existing partition and work from there? It took close to an hour to shred the... |
| 00:45.31 | JordiGH | ...hard drive, and I don't think debconf will give me an option to not shred the hard drive. :-/ |
| 00:45.36 | penp | IronManMario: you need to make a mount point for manual mounts |
| 00:45.45 | penp | IronManMario: make a directory like /mnt/windows, then type |
| 00:45.55 | penp | IronManMario: mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows -t ntfs |
| 00:46.15 | Gun_Smoke | JordiGH: Reason not to just start all over? |
| 00:46.31 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, go to http://packages.debian.org/ and pick the "x-window-system-core" and "gnome-core". On the page, are listed all the dependences. Get the red ones... |
| 00:46.32 | IronManMario | now it's saying hda2 doesnt exist |
| 00:46.33 | penp | IronManMario: if you call mount without a mount point, it looks in fstab and mtab for a match to see if thats what you are referencing |
| 00:46.34 | JordiGH | Gun_Smoke: I don't want to have to wait another hour for d-i to shred my hard drive again. :-/ |
| 00:46.35 | IronManMario | or 1 |
| 00:46.43 | Mania | Gun_smoke how can in in debian installation select gnome desktop? |
| 00:46.51 | penp | IronManMario: try /sbin/fdisk -l |
| 00:46.51 | IronManMario | This is impossible |
| 00:46.58 | IronManMario | ok |
| 00:47.04 | Gun_Smoke | Mania: It is the default. How did you install? |
| 00:47.06 | moshii | JordiGH: if it's all encrypted you don't need to shred again.. |
| 00:47.23 | JordiGH | moshii: Yeah, but try to convince d-i that I don't want to shred it. There's no option for it! |
| 00:47.37 | moshii | JordiGH: ah, that is shit |
| 00:47.58 | Mania | but the gnome desktop with ubuntu is very nice than gnome in debian :)! |
| 00:48.24 | IronManMario | fdisk wont do anything either |
| 00:48.27 | Gun_Smoke | Mania: I don't follow. |
| 00:48.29 | Azar | Mania: http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_debian_etch |
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| 00:48.43 | Gun_Smoke | Azar: great link.. |
| 00:48.44 | Mania | wow Azar |
| 00:48.48 | akuwamari | E: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.18-6-k7_2.6.18.dfsg.1-17etch1_i386.deb: falló en buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1) |
| 00:48.56 | Azar | just making it easier |
| 00:49.06 | akuwamari | help |
| 00:49.06 | IronManMario | I could mount the partition in ubuntu so i know it's not the partition thatst he problem |
| 00:49.17 | JordiGH | Bah. |
| 00:49.22 | JordiGH | It's shredding it again. :-( |
| 00:49.27 | Gun_Smoke | Azar: I had that bookmarked but forgot to cp them when I did a clean install yesterday.. |
| 00:49.34 | Mania | who can i download direct debian with gnome? on cd? |
| 00:49.44 | JordiGH | I guess I'll just go swimming and see how it's coming along when I come back. |
| 00:50.05 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: thanks , doing it |
| 00:50.12 | Azar | Mania: if you read THAT link you will see: " Debian automatically installs the GNOME desktop. |
| 00:50.16 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, ok, man. |
| 00:50.18 | IronManMario | and doing fdisk doesnt do anything |
| 00:50.27 | Azar | Mania: read it and you will see what and how |
| 00:50.30 | Mania | wich link+ |
| 00:50.31 | Gun_Smoke | Mania: The business card iso will install it by default. Gnome is default in debian.. |
| 00:50.33 | IronManMario | debian:/sbin# ./fdisk -l |
| 00:50.33 | IronManMario | debian:/sbin# |
| 00:50.45 | IronManMario | it doesnt even say anything |
| 00:50.46 | IronManMario | wtf? |
| 00:50.51 | Mania | ok thanx |
| 00:51.03 | karsten | IronManMario: fdisk -l <device> |
| 00:51.03 | Gun_Smoke | Mania: debians home page.. look for get debian.. |
| 00:51.06 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: where are you anyway |
| 00:51.09 | karsten | IronManMario: Try: cat /proc/partitions |
| 00:51.14 | Mania | and have question , is debian support kurdish keyboorad and font? |
| 00:51.32 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, i'm brazilian. |
| 00:51.34 | IronManMario | wtf? now i cant open root terminal |
| 00:51.39 | Gun_Smoke | Mania: I'm sure it will.. |
| 00:51.51 | JordiGH | How does Debian feel about Automatix? It looks to me like a crutch that's more likely to break things than fix them. |
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| 00:51.57 | IronManMario | 'failed to fork new process: No such file or directory' |
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| 00:52.04 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: abrigado! |
| 00:52.14 | Mania | because on ubuntu is perfect, dont know on debian! |
| 00:52.15 | karsten | IronManMario: Um, have you nuked your filesystem, perhaps? |
| 00:52.16 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, de nada. |
| 00:52.26 | IronManMario | how would I do that? |
| 00:52.29 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, :^) |
| 00:52.36 | Gun_Smoke | JordiGH: I'd say its for the massive move to ubuntu.. If you've made your way up the ladder to debian you don't need it. |
| 00:52.38 | JordiGH | Azar: That link you gave recommends that you leave the hostname as "debian"! |
| 00:52.43 | amphi | !automatix |
| 00:52.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, automatix is a tool which allows a menu-driven installation of 'capabilities', including commercial closed source programs such as Flash plug-in, Adobe Reader, w32codecs (divx, mp3, etc). Even the Ubuntu Technical Board advises against using it and you should definitely not use it with debian: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html |
| 00:52.54 | karsten | IronManMario: What command are you trying, and how is it failing? |
| 00:53.03 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: only know that, a friend will be teaching me portoguese |
| 00:53.08 | amphi | JordiGH: that url is informative ;) |
| 00:53.10 | JordiGH | Azar: A Debian machine needs a soul! |
| 00:53.15 | karsten | IronManMario: ... also how knowledgeable are you about Linux/? I'm just jumping in here, you seem to come w/ a Windows background. |
| 00:53.15 | Gun_Smoke | Mania: Ubuntu is a copy of debian with some extra stuff to make it seem independent. |
| 00:53.31 | IronManMario | I've been using linux for a year now |
| 00:53.32 | Azar | amphi: yeah I saw that recommendation on falko's tutorial, that is one bad point to it |
| 00:53.37 | Mania | can you give me link about install debian setuo by setup |
| 00:53.49 | JordiGH | Gun_Smoke: Ubuntu is *very* different from Debian. I had Ubuntu preinstalled on this machine, but I'm now doing a Debian install. |
| 00:53.54 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, cool. Be advised that the language is full of rules. |
| 00:54.03 | Azar | Gun_Smoke: could you please forget about ubuntu things and stick with the debian issues? |
| 00:54.14 | amphi | one bad point? IIRC there where several horrors |
| 00:54.14 | Gun_Smoke | Azar: Already have.. |
| 00:54.25 | Azar | Mania: WTF I just gave you a linke |
| 00:54.26 | IronManMario | kurt@debian:/sbin$ ./fdisk -l hda1 |
| 00:54.27 | IronManMario | kurt@debian:/sbin$ ./fdisk -l hda2 |
| 00:54.27 | Azar | link* |
| 00:54.32 | IronManMario | would either of those do anything bad |
| 00:54.42 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: aha thanks |
| 00:54.47 | amphi | IronManMario: no |
| 00:54.54 | karsten | IronManMario: No, fdisk -l should just list the partition table. Safe. |
| 00:55.01 | IronManMario | then idk what broke my system |
| 00:55.02 | Mania | Azar ok |
| 00:55.06 | Nyle | guys |
| 00:55.11 | karsten | IronManMario: What command failed? |
| 00:55.13 | Gun_Smoke | Mania: Google your way to success.. EVERYTHING is there. Easy enough for my grandma to follow.. www.google.com enjoy the link. |
| 00:55.13 | Nyle | temp1: +44°C (low = +127°C, high = +127°C) sensor = thermistor |
| 00:55.13 | Nyle | temp2: +40°C (low = +127°C, high = +127°C) sensor = diode |
| 00:55.14 | p1l6r1m | _moro_bana_, ;) |
| 00:55.19 | Nyle | does this look weird? |
| 00:55.30 | Nyle | temp3: -1°C (low = +127°C, high = +127°C) sensor = thermistor |
| 00:55.33 | Nyle | how about this |
| 00:55.37 | Nyle | -1C? |
| 00:55.44 | karsten | Nyle: Yeah, it's in metric. Real men use English systems ;-) |
| 00:55.47 | Azar | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200801/error'd/engleesh.jpg << that sums it up |
| 00:55.52 | IronManMario | Failed to run /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator as user root. Failed to fork new process: No such file or directory |
| 00:55.58 | Gun_Smoke | metric smetric |
| 00:56.01 | amphi | Nyle: low +127C is unusual IME ;) |
| 00:56.02 | Nyle | karsten: temperature is in metric? |
| 00:56.05 | IronManMario | how bad is that -.- |
| 00:56.17 | Nyle | karsten: I thought temp was C/F/K |
| 00:56.18 | Gun_Smoke | Nyle: Usually are. |
| 00:56.18 | Nyle | thats it |
| 00:56.28 | Nyle | no man hold on |
| 00:56.31 | karsten | IronManMario: try 'sudo' |
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| 00:56.41 | p1l6r1m | ok, folks. i'm out of here. it's almost 11pm and i must work tomorrow. so... Fui! |
| 00:56.47 | karsten | IronManMario: ... just get a root shell. You don't need a terminal necessarially. |
| 00:56.49 | IronManMario | 'Fui'? |
| 00:56.58 | karsten | IronManMario: ... can you run a terminal as your normal user? |
| 00:56.59 | IronManMario | how do I get a root shell O.o |
| 00:57.02 | IronManMario | idk |
| 00:57.06 | karsten | IronManMario: sudo or su. |
| 00:57.08 | Nyle | 3 temperature scales, so which one is metric? |
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| 00:57.13 | Nyle | what are you talking about I dunno |
| 00:57.22 | karsten | Nyle: C & K are metric. F is English. |
| 00:57.25 | JordiGH | Wow, Automatix suxx0rz. :-) |
| 00:57.27 | Nyle | ahh |
| 00:57.42 | IronManMario | no i can only use the terminal i already have open |
| 00:57.45 | JordiGH | I'm sending people to that page next time they ask about Automatix. |
| 00:57.47 | amphi | Nyle: he's talking about medieval/ISO/SI ;) |
| 00:57.50 | Gun_Smoke | Nyle: Where are you from? |
| 00:57.54 | Azar | in any case someone with a 127C is like boiling in own sauce |
| 00:57.58 | Nyle | I'm from where you are form |
| 00:58.02 | Nyle | the Poonani |
| 00:58.03 | amphi | JordiGH: doesn't it just ;) |
| 00:58.09 | Azar | haha |
| 00:58.10 | IronManMario | if the terminal file isnt there then how is the one i have open already working' |
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| 00:58.21 | karsten | Nyle: You've also got Rankine, Delisle, Newon, Reaumur, and Romer. |
| 00:58.28 | Nyle | amphi: whats going on man :) hi btw |
| 00:58.40 | IronManMario | karsten it sounds like your listing pokemon :/ |
| 00:58.47 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:58.48 | IronManMario | lol |
| 00:58.48 | apocn | Hello, is anyone here experienced with isc-http? |
| 00:58.53 | karsten | IronManMario: It's alreaddy mapped to memory and the filehandle's open. Long story. You can shoot out exes from under running apps, but not not-yet-accessed resources. |
| 00:58.55 | Nyle | or chinpokomon |
| 00:59.00 | amphi | Nyle: guten abend ;) |
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| 00:59.07 | karsten | IronManMario: A bit outside my usual playgroup... |
| 00:59.11 | Azar | schatzi |
| 00:59.16 | Nyle | amphi: marhaba |
| 00:59.17 | IronManMario | I'm just gonna go back to windows for a while and forget this happened |
| 00:59.24 | IronManMario | -.- |
| 00:59.30 | karsten | IronManMario: Whatever. |
| 00:59.39 | amphi | not so much iron... |
| 00:59.45 | Gun_Smoke | Back to the reason I'm here.. Virtualbox.. Any reason not to get it from the repos? |
| 00:59.46 | Nyle | or man |
| 00:59.47 | streuner__ | hehe |
| 00:59.48 | Nyle | for that matter |
| 00:59.51 | Nyle | ooooh burn! |
| 00:59.57 | karsten | amphi: Definitely not brass, at any rate. |
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| 01:00.05 | amphi | heh |
| 01:00.41 | Nyle | netsrak |
| 01:00.50 | Nyle | ihpma |
| 01:01.12 | Nyle | Gun_Smoke: I forgot how I installed virtual box, I think I just got the pakages they had available |
| 01:01.35 | JordiGH | Is Marillat still the place for libdvdcss? |
| 01:01.42 | Azar | so Nyle have you ever even had a look at psdoom? |
| 01:01.42 | Nyle | !dmm |
| 01:01.43 | dpkg | i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat), or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 01:01.45 | Nyle | JordiGH: yes |
| 01:01.55 | Gun_Smoke | Nyle: From the repos then? |
| 01:02.11 | Nyle | Gun_Smoke: sure I don't think its in debian repos |
| 01:02.13 | Nyle | is it? |
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| 01:02.23 | Nyle | JordiGH: dpkg seems lagged or maybe I am |
| 01:02.25 | Gun_Smoke | Only reason I ask is someone the other day said not to and I didn't get a chance to pick their brain as to why, |
| 01:02.34 | Nyle | 2:FREENODE � Lag: 2.43 |
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| 01:02.52 | Nyle | 2:FREENODE � Lag: 6.04 |
| 01:02.54 | Nyle | wow |
| 01:03.04 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: it responded almost instantly from what I could see, so yeah; you're lagged. ;-) |
| 01:03.06 | Nyle | !ping |
| 01:03.06 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:03.10 | Azar | Nyle: [17:03] [Azar(+ei)] [3:#debian(+JLPcflnt 868 800)] [Act: 1,2] |
| 01:03.14 | Nyle | yeh the bot is fine |
| 01:03.22 | Azar | damn |
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| 01:03.31 | Azar | http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:03.32 | JordiGH | !ping |
| 01:03.33 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:03.42 | JordiGH | I guess I'm ok now. |
| 01:03.43 | Nyle | Azar: doomsday! |
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| 01:03.55 | Azar | Nyle: did you read about it before? |
| 01:04.06 | Nyle | read about what ? |
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| 01:04.50 | jetscreamer | hey i just almost got to get into a road rage fight! \o/ |
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| 01:05.12 | Gun_Smoke | jetscreamer: nice cell pics? |
| 01:05.12 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: Do you keep a baseball bat in your glove compartment for just such an occasion? |
| 01:05.15 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:05.40 | Azar | jetscreamer: man that's horrible |
| 01:05.41 | Nyle | I gotta get a wireless range extender and mount it somewhere in my building somewhere with some power source |
| 01:05.47 | Nyle | I gotta get some faster internet |
| 01:05.47 | jetscreamer | damn.. not used to having a camera on my cell... i forgot |
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| 01:05.59 | Gun_Smoke | Nyle: Build a cantenna. |
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| 01:06.08 | Nyle | cantenna? |
| 01:06.15 | Nyle | interesting name |
| 01:06.18 | jetscreamer | Nyle: i seen a thing you can take an old sat. dish and get like a 12 mile range |
| 01:06.23 | Nyle | hackaday? |
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| 01:06.29 | Nyle | hackaday.com |
| 01:06.30 | Azar | :) |
| 01:06.30 | jetscreamer | i forget where |
| 01:06.36 | Azar | Nylesday |
| 01:06.43 | Nyle | hah |
| 01:06.46 | Nyle | right |
| 01:06.54 | Gun_Smoke | Nyle: http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/cantennahowto.html Look to google for other ways.. |
| 01:07.15 | Nyle | JordiGH: I like free, if its worth it, I'll pay for free, but as long as it is free |
| 01:07.25 | Nyle | JordiGH: price is negotaiable, freedom isn't |
| 01:07.29 | JordiGH | Nyle: Yeah, I paid for free with this Dellbuntu laptop. :-) |
| 01:07.34 | Gun_Smoke | jetscreamer: If your in the US I doubt you could make that happen without the FCC being pissed. |
| 01:07.34 | Nyle | its very simple |
| 01:07.37 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:07.55 | jetscreamer | Gun_Smoke: think the guy was in the austrailian outback |
| 01:08.05 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 01:08.11 | Nyle | JordiGH: I am talking about free as in money vs. free as in no restrictions on the license |
| 01:08.15 | Gun_Smoke | jetscreamer: I bet it could happen.. Line of sight. |
| 01:08.34 | JordiGH | Nyle: Of course. So am I. In fact, people need to use "gratis" more often. It's in English dictionaries, but "libre" isn't. |
| 01:08.34 | amphi | Nyle: tuxmobil.org has some info on funky antennae |
| 01:08.49 | Azar | Nyle: imagine the mayhem: "Since monsters would tend to kill each other off until only a few remained in the area, the user was severely hampered in the ability to orderly control processes on the machine." << effective condemnation of the system |
| 01:08.52 | Gun_Smoke | And that would have to be tower to tower.. head high looses line of sight around 9 miles I believe. |
| 01:08.57 | Nyle | amphi: thanks for the tip, i'll check |
| 01:09.17 | JordiGH | OMG I GOT A MICROSOFT MEGA JACKPOT IN MY INBOX!! |
| 01:09.25 | JordiGH | Does this mean I get a life supply of Windows Vista? |
| 01:09.32 | jetscreamer | !congratulate JordiGH |
| 01:09.32 | dpkg | Yay JordiGH, you did it! |
| 01:09.38 | Nyle | give me death instead |
| 01:09.41 | Nyle | right? |
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| 01:09.44 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:09.45 | Gun_Smoke | No kidding |
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| 01:10.10 | amphi | JordiGH: you recall MS's HQ address? |
| 01:10.14 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: when i use the names u gave, i find nothing,xwindow and gnome -i get several |
| 01:10.28 | levander | Is there no way to have my GNOME panels show up on one workspace, but not on another? |
| 01:10.31 | jetscreamer | an #ubuntu bash moment: admins: Kinda stupid question: is Mark Shuttleworth around to talk |
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| 01:11.24 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: Hey, rms sometimes hangs out in #gnu. :-) |
| 01:11.24 | Gun_Smoke | jetscreamer: was that just posted? |
| 01:11.24 | JordiGH | amphi: Redmond, right? |
| 01:11.28 | amphi | One Microsoft Way ;) |
| 01:11.35 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I spend $800 on my car today |
| 01:11.39 | Gun_Smoke | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.41 | karsten | Nyle: You know, I should do some sort of lightweight network computing rackable systems w/ that moniker. |
| 01:11.42 | Nyle | spent* |
| 01:11.57 | amphi | Nyle: sucker ;) |
| 01:11.57 | jetscreamer | i dropped a couple into my wife's yesterday |
| 01:12.00 | karsten | Nyle: That being: NetsRak |
| 01:12.03 | Nyle | karsten: I'm sorry? which monikor? |
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| 01:12.17 | Nyle | heh |
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| 01:12.37 | amphi | Nyle: I wouldn't buy a car for that ;) |
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| 01:12.46 | karsten | Nyle: Filled the tank? |
| 01:12.51 | _moro_bana_ | p1l6r1m: ypu there |
| 01:12.52 | Azar | hehe right |
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| 01:13.19 | Nyle | amphi: I hadn't taken care of or it in a while. The engine was close to siezing up. Breaks were gone, had to change the rotor too in the front, oil change, fluids, cleaning etc. etc. some other stuff |
| 01:13.20 | karsten | levander: Yeah. Switch to WindowMaker ;-) |
| 01:13.28 | Azar | karsten: speaking of $, man, my face fell on the floor when I read how much I paid for one watermellon yesterday! |
| 01:13.45 | JordiGH | Azar how much, which country? |
| 01:13.46 | amphi | Nyle: should've just bought a 'new' one for $200 ;) |
| 01:13.47 | Azar | $15.80 |
| 01:13.48 | Gun_Smoke | My next project is to build a liquid cooled box.. Sounds like fun.. Thinking of making the entire case myself out of glass. |
| 01:13.55 | JordiGH | Azar: USD? |
| 01:13.56 | karsten | Azar: What!? |
| 01:14.05 | Azar | yup, at Ralphs grocery store |
| 01:14.06 | karsten | Azar: Did it include the vodka? |
| 01:14.11 | Nyle | plus the 3rd cylinderwas misfiring due to chum in the fuel injectors |
| 01:14.24 | Nyle | amphi: eh |
| 01:14.26 | Azar | for that price I would have it delivered wiht room service |
| 01:14.26 | karsten | Azar: Nuts. Though the Mrs. tends to favor Whole Paycheck herself. |
| 01:14.41 | amphi | Nyle: I like moribund cars |
| 01:14.51 | _moro_bana_ | can anyone help i need to download packages for my GUI , which ones should i get |
| 01:14.53 | Azar | amphi: that's necro |
| 01:15.00 | karsten | _moro_bana_: ?? |
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| 01:15.11 | jetscreamer | http://people.wallawalla.edu/~Rob.Frohne/Airport/Primestar/Primestar.html <antenna |
| 01:15.14 | karsten | _moro_bana_: Um, what GUI, what packages, what downloader, why download? |
| 01:15.18 | Nyle | amphi: lets buy a $200USD car and put $2000 rims and $10,000 stereo, $1000 paint job, $2000 leather seat covers and interior |
| 01:15.27 | Nyle | amphi: pimp my ride! goddamit |
| 01:15.30 | Gun_Smoke | _moro_bana_: need more than that to help |
| 01:15.30 | _moro_bana_ | karsten: well i cant startx, just installed debian |
| 01:15.43 | amphi | Nyle: I prefer to dent my ride, thanks ;) |
| 01:15.43 | karsten | !tell _moro_bana_ about set up x |
| 01:15.54 | Gun_Smoke | _moro_bana_: Thats like saying I need to go shopping please help. |
| 01:16.00 | Nyle | amphi: you are aware of the show right? dumbass show on TV |
| 01:16.08 | amphi | Nyle: I like a car that I don't care if I inadvertantly drive it into a wall |
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| 01:16.14 | Nyle | Pimp My Ride... ohohohohoh I got it |
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| 01:16.17 | Gun_Smoke | Anyone seen the firehouse rodeo? |
| 01:16.19 | Nyle | ubuntu is like, Pimp My Debian! |
| 01:16.20 | amphi | Nyle: indeed not |
| 01:16.24 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 01:16.27 | Gun_Smoke | Nyle: lol |
| 01:16.39 | Gun_Smoke | But I like the stickers. |
| 01:16.53 | JordiGH | Btw, I need Debian stickers. |
| 01:16.56 | Nyle | jetscreamer: thats cool |
| 01:16.56 | _moro_bana_ | Gun_Smoke: karsten: i dont have internet on debian |
| 01:17.02 | Gun_Smoke | ? |
| 01:17.04 | JordiGH | Something to cover the Dell branding on my lappy's lid. |
| 01:17.12 | Nyle | JordiGH: wow, I make debian stickers |
| 01:17.37 | JordiGH | Something nearly indestructible, that will stay on it long after all Windows Vista (in)Capable stickers have crumbled to dust. |
| 01:17.43 | _moro_bana_ | karsten: i have to get the packs for xwindow and gnome i think |
| 01:17.53 | karsten | _moro_bana_: Yes, see what dpkg told you. |
| 01:18.07 | JordiGH | Nyle: Can I buy some that will just exactly cover my lappy's Dell branding on the lid? I specifically ordered this Inspiron in Debian-red colour. |
| 01:18.10 | karsten | _moro_bana_: Check to see if it's in another IRC window. |
| 01:18.11 | jetscreamer | _moro_bana_: aptitude install xorg gnome (or xorg kde) |
| 01:18.31 | karsten | _moro_bana_: ... or what jetscreamer told you for a streamlined approach. |
| 01:18.42 | jetscreamer | more like bloated :) |
| 01:18.43 | Nyle | JordiGH: should've ordered a photo printer and some sticker paper |
| 01:18.51 | amphi | Nyle: this is quality pimpage: http://picpaste.com/1075223838.jpg |
| 01:19.02 | karsten | jetscreamer: Fewer steps leads to more bloat, yes. Exercise is good for you. |
| 01:19.04 | jetscreamer | i usually pick gnome over kde, but icewm over gnome |
| 01:19.12 | JordiGH | karsten: Yeah, but you're German. .de is, like, KLand. |
| 01:19.19 | Nyle | jetscreamer: you have poor taste, we know ;) |
| 01:19.21 | Nyle | ooooh burn |
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| 01:19.43 | jetscreamer | actually i have extremely excellent taste that i can't afford :/ |
| 01:19.43 | _moro_bana_ | karsten: i have no internet on debian |
| 01:20.09 | karsten | !tell _moro_bana_ about apt-zip |
| 01:20.13 | Nyle | jetscreamer: im sure craigslist has the chics you want |
| 01:20.18 | Nyle | I mean.. things |
| 01:20.21 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 01:20.23 | Nyle | um.. nm |
| 01:20.45 | karsten | _moro_bana_: Then set up internet, or transfer the packages via other means. Note that apt-zip lets you do this more easily. |
| 01:20.49 | Nyle | 120/hr |
| 01:20.52 | jetscreamer | Nyle: no need for a list, i have a storeful to choose from :/ (not that i do) |
| 01:21.13 | Nyle | jetscreamer: too old and tired to chase pussy |
| 01:21.23 | jetscreamer | no, just too married |
| 01:21.28 | Nyle | no me |
| 01:21.31 | screamingbytes | kk so i suppose its a security q, what would be the suggestion if I have consistent connection attempts from 3 ip's for the last 3 days |
| 01:21.32 | jetscreamer | o |
| 01:21.34 | Nyle | why would I talk about you |
| 01:21.36 | Nyle | ;) |
| 01:21.39 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 01:21.57 | jetscreamer | i have to look away sometimes :| |
| 01:21.58 | _moro_bana_ | karsten:yes i wanna download em and use my ubuntu to copy em to my debian install |
| 01:22.22 | karsten | _moro_bana_: ... and you're not simply netmasqing through your Ubuntu system why? |
| 01:22.30 | karsten | _moro_bana_: ... or is this a dual-boot setup? |
| 01:22.35 | _moro_bana_ | karsten: i have no internet because i cant set it up under CL |
| 01:22.51 | _moro_bana_ | karsten dual boot |
| 01:22.56 | JordiGH | _moro_bana_: Do you speak Spanish? |
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| 01:23.33 | karsten | _moro_bana_: Got a dhcp server? |
| 01:23.46 | karsten | _moro_bana_: easy answer is: "dhclient eth1" |
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| 01:24.10 | karsten | _moro_bana_: otherwise, edit /etc/network/interfaces. man 5 interfaces or see /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ for examples. |
| 01:24.36 | karsten | Supaplex: you do that and you'll end up being underbarred for life. |
| 01:24.37 | jetscreamer | maybe he has my 'allow-hotplug sucks' bug |
| 01:24.50 | Azar | screamingbytes: http://www.howtoforge.com/preventing_ssh_dictionary_attacks_with_denyhosts |
| 01:24.53 | jetscreamer | comment out allow-hotplug eth0 and put auto eth0 |
| 01:25.01 | _moro_bana_ | karsten: yes dual boot |
| 01:25.17 | karsten | _moro_bana_: Or just copy /etc/network/interfaces from Ubuntu's setup. |
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| 01:26.24 | karsten | _moro_bana_: Should be the same configuration. |
| 01:26.52 | _moro_bana_ | karsten: one says i can download the packs i need to /var/cache.....and use apt-gget install |
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| 01:27.25 | karsten | _moro_bana_: Yes, you can do that. |
| 01:27.32 | karsten | _moro_bana_: It's a lot easier to just get network running. |
| 01:27.34 | jetscreamer | _moro_bana_: it's a different path, but yes you can |
| 01:27.38 | karsten | _moro_bana_: Anyhow, I've got to work. Later. |
| 01:27.46 | jetscreamer | /var/cache/apt/archives iirc |
| 01:27.51 | _moro_bana_ | karsten: the i need the exact names |
| 01:27.52 | karsten | _moro_bana_: There's more than one way to do it. That said, some offer other benefits. |
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| 01:28.09 | _moro_bana_ | karsten; of the packs |
| 01:28.11 | karsten | _moro_bana_: Which is why I say: set up your networking. Solves a whole class of problems. I'm out. |
| 01:28.23 | _moro_bana_ | karsten: how do i do it |
| 01:28.36 | jetscreamer | _moro_bana_: best way is to just download the dvd iso and use that for a source if you don't want to fix your internet |
| 01:28.55 | jetscreamer | s/best/simplest/ |
| 01:29.20 | GhostlyDeath_ | What's the difference between x access mode and X? |
| 01:29.59 | _moro_bana_ | jetscreamer: fix my internet, i have a login account on a windows network, haw can i fix that |
| 01:30.19 | metaperl | per http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html I am trying to move from stable to unstable... but I see "etch" in more than just the 3rd field... so 'd appreciate someone telling me just how to edit this sources.list - http://paste.debian.net/48100 |
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| 01:30.46 | _moro_bana_ | jetscreamer: how* |
| 01:31.03 | jetscreamer | _moro_bana_: not sure. probably just like he said, copy over ubuntu's /etc/network/interfaces file.. be sure and back it up first though |
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| 01:31.42 | jetscreamer | ubuntu uses that network-manager though i think |
| 01:32.18 | jetscreamer | _moro_bana_: did your internet like work once, after you installed, then didn't work anymore? |
| 01:32.37 | Supaplex | metaperl: don't worry about the cdrom field. it's best left out for !=etch anyway. make sure you're totally up to date before jummping to a new dist. with sid, you're generally on your own unless you're very percise about articulating your issue. bts is your friend |
| 01:32.45 | Azar | metaperl: first, #comment the line 4. the cdrom one. Second replace all "etch" in all lines with "lenny". Then use "aptitude" when you want to dist-upgrade. |
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| 01:33.36 | metaperl | Azar - you are saying change it to testing? |
| 01:33.48 | _moro_bana_ | jetscreamer: no ,it never, i dont have xwindow system |
| 01:33.52 | Azar | metaperl: well, what was your original question then? |
| 01:34.04 | jetscreamer | _moro_bana_: no i mean internet, not xwindows |
| 01:34.04 | metaperl | Azar: i was trying to go to unstable |
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| 01:34.21 | Azar | oh unstable? not recommended, why you want unstable? |
| 01:34.22 | jetscreamer | metaperl: http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
| 01:34.28 | metaperl | so I should change all "etch" to "sid" just blind text repalce? |
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| 01:34.45 | _moro_bana_ | no it never,never tried it,im not that good with command line |
| 01:34.49 | screamingbytes | Azar: iyop: thats the best method? |
| 01:34.52 | metaperl | Azar: if you read that Debian FAQ, things in unstable and stable are fixed quickly... |
| 01:35.02 | screamingbytes | Azar: not some iptables, or other method |
| 01:35.04 | Azar | metaperl: well, yes but you are on your own to fix bugs then : there is no way back to etch or lenny after that |
| 01:35.08 | jetscreamer | _moro_bana_: have you ever done apt-get update ? |
| 01:35.14 | jetscreamer | as root? |
| 01:35.21 | jetscreamer | or even tried? |
| 01:35.30 | jetscreamer | how do you know your internet isn't working |
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| 01:35.43 | _moro_bana_ | jetscreamer; i cant bcause i dont have internet on debian |
| 01:35.44 | metaperl | 3.1.7 Why is it that testing could be broken for months? |
| 01:35.46 | Azar | screamingbytes: that is what I use |
| 01:35.51 | roldyx | hi I have Debian lenny and I cant play wmv with xine.. any idea? |
| 01:36.16 | jetscreamer | _moro_bana_: what do you mean by you don't have it in debian.. if you have it in ubuntu and you dual boot it should 'just work' in debian also |
| 01:36.22 | Azar | metaperl: same with unstable: packages there are well... not stable, they break |
| 01:36.30 | metaperl | really, I'm just trying to get wireless networking to work |
| 01:36.34 | Supaplex | roldyx: did it play ever? Check bugs.debian.org/xine (bts) for any outstanding issues |
| 01:36.39 | jetscreamer | what is it you don't have in debian that you do in ubuntu, _moro_bana_ |
| 01:36.44 | metaperl | and thought I needed an up to date version lke testing or unstable |
| 01:36.46 | jetscreamer | besides xwindows |
| 01:37.10 | roldyx | Supaplex: I need wvp2 driver |
| 01:37.22 | Azar | metaperl: then try study how Debian etch gets the atheros driver if that's what you need |
| 01:37.26 | Supaplex | roldyx: what's that? for the kernel? or xine? |
| 01:37.31 | roldyx | wvp2 codec |
| 01:37.36 | _moro_bana_ | jetscreamer: you dont understd, i just installed debian using netinst cd , i can say it comes empty |
| 01:37.44 | screamingbytes | Azar: kk tyvm |
| 01:37.51 | roldyx | Supaplex: for xine |
| 01:38.10 | Azar | metaperl: or, you could use backports to upgrade to a higher kernel version that might have that driver you need |
| 01:38.11 | jetscreamer | _moro_bana_: you don't need xwindows or a gui for internet.. are you sure your internet is not working? |
| 01:38.31 | metaperl | I see --- this is a 3-year old toshiba, so prolly no need for that |
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| 01:38.46 | _moro_bana_ | jetscreamer: no im not, i never tried, i though it wont |
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| 01:38.53 | Azar | metaperl: yeah but the wireless driver is found on more recent kernels |
| 01:38.57 | Azar | !backports |
| 01:38.58 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 01:39.09 | jetscreamer | _moro_bana_: it should 'just work' ... as root, try doing aptitude update |
| 01:39.28 | JordiGH | 67% shred of 160 GB hd. :-/ |
| 01:39.37 | JordiGH | This may well take longer than one hour. |
| 01:39.39 | _moro_bana_ | jetscreamer: under command line trying to connect to login account |
| 01:39.40 | Azar | metaperl: try research which kernel version number contains wireless drivers for linux |
| 01:39.41 | jetscreamer | _moro_bana_: or ping debian.org |
| 01:39.53 | roldyx | Supaplex: and?? |
| 01:40.02 | metaperl | Azar: my kernel is pretty new -Linux ronstech 2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 01:40.33 | _moro_bana_ | jetscreamer: its a microsoft vpn, i need to login using a password |
| 01:40.51 | Azar | metaperl: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hosted/debian-etch-toshiba-tecra-m5.html << anything similar there? |
| 01:41.14 | jetscreamer | ok. you lost me on that one. when you log in as root, _moro_bana_ , try ping debian.org |
| 01:41.20 | metaperl | hmm |
| 01:41.39 | Supaplex | roldyx: I do not know. I didn't understand you at first |
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| 01:41.59 | _moro_bana_ | jetscreamer: how can that work if im not connected to the internet? |
| 01:42.01 | metaperl | this is a satellite... dont worry about me... i had wireless running on this machine 3 years ago... I'm just tryingto be a baby and have some neat graphical tool do it for me instead of typing in iw commands like I had to do then :) |
| 01:42.30 | JordiGH | Just for the record, there really WAS no way to tell d-i to install to an already existed encrypted LVM, was there? |
| 01:42.40 | JordiGH | Please tell me I'm not wasting this hour of my life in vain. |
| 01:42.46 | roldyx | Supaplex: ok.. I can play a lot of videos... but I cant play wmv format.. |
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| 01:43.19 | Supaplex | roldyx: I don't know enough about codecs to help, sorry. try waiting on the channel, or use the mailing list in the topic |
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| 01:43.31 | _moro_bana_ | jetscreamer: you there |
| 01:43.35 | Supaplex | roldyx: er, on lists.debian.org |
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| 01:43.59 | Azar | metaperl: what's your driver? ipw2200 ? |
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| 01:44.14 | JordiGH | !iwlwifi |
| 01:44.14 | dpkg | [iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets (http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi). Included in mainline 2.6.24 kernel and Debian 2.6.23 kernels ("modprobe iwl4965"). Binary regulatory daemon not required, but difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi |
| 01:44.25 | JordiGH | Oh, I thought it also worked for ipw2200. |
| 01:44.45 | roldyx | Supaplex: thanks anyware.. |
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| 01:44.46 | JordiGH | is the iwlwifi firmware still non-free? |
| 01:45.05 | emss | !debian-multimedia |
| 01:45.05 | dpkg | somebody said debian-multimedia was a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
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| 01:46.51 | JordiGH | Is the 2.6.23 kernel in lenny? |
| 01:46.55 | piukeman | what is better cpufreqd or powernowd |
| 01:46.59 | JordiGH | I could get wireless out of the box with lenny! |
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| 01:47.36 | jsubl2 | JordiGH: nope it is still 22 |
| 01:47.41 | JordiGH | Ah, the firmware is still non-free. |
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| 01:47.49 | piukeman | what is better cpufreqd or powernowd ???? |
| 01:48.10 | Bambr | wire, have you got any solution to you problem? |
| 01:48.16 | jsubl2 | no idea but i use cpufreqd |
| 01:48.17 | jetscreamer | what you say, piukeman ??????????????????? |
| 01:48.21 | Bambr | wire, i managed to get the card running |
| 01:48.42 | Bambr | wire, i mean just as NIC, not as AP, but still :D |
| 01:49.12 | piukeman | jetscreamer, i am asking wich is better cpufreqd or powernowd |
| 01:49.32 | jetscreamer | ohhhhhhh |
| 01:49.45 | icedtea | anyone else have a problem with gnome's Appearance Preferences dialog not responding to mouse or keyboard input? |
| 01:49.51 | icedtea | in testing |
| 01:49.55 | jetscreamer | hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 01:50.17 | Bambr | wire, i user Install module section from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT61 , went to my driver source directory, there to Modules subfolder and then just did as it was written in section I mentioned |
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| 01:50.46 | Bambr | wire, even if i got rt2x00 source :D |
| 01:51.41 | Bambr | hehe, now i can get some rest :D |
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| 01:52.00 | JordiGH | Is Intel legally bound to provide nonfree firmware in iwlwifi? |
| 01:52.30 | mnvl | is someone having trouble w/ rt2x00? |
| 01:52.39 | metaperl | I'd like to fix this CONNECTION FAILED issue with my wireless device on eth2 - http://paste.debian.net/48101 |
| 01:52.39 | mnvl | i've installed it .. lots of times |
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| 01:53.12 | JordiGH | mnvl: Neato, the Ralink wireless? I had a friend buy that. It worked for her really well. |
| 01:54.04 | mnvl | they are pretty good |
| 01:54.30 | JordiGH | mnvl: So you're having problems with it? |
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| 01:54.53 | icedtea | how do you switch audio output to a different audio card? |
| 01:54.54 | mnvl | no, someone mentioned them, and i wondered if anyone needed help |
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| 01:55.09 | mnvl | seems like they sorted it |
| 01:55.12 | JordiGH | mnvl: You're not that guy from the Linux Emporium, are you? :-) |
| 01:55.18 | danderson | hey. Is xcompmgr still around in debian? If so, which package? |
| 01:55.27 | mnvl | JordiGH: no :) |
| 01:55.48 | jetscreamer | !tell danderson -about search |
| 01:56.39 | danderson | thanks, I have tried that. A search returns only a compositing library. |
| 01:57.10 | jelly-home | danderson: did you do a file search? |
| 01:57.21 | jetscreamer | sounds xorgish.. maybe ask in #xorg at the same time if so |
| 01:58.02 | danderson | jelly-home: yeah, just remembered packages.d.o could do that. But a search for xcompmgr comes back blank. |
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| 01:58.15 | jelly-home | then it's not there |
| 01:58.40 | jelly-home | danderson: apt-file update; apt-file search bin/xcompmgr would have returned something as well |
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| 01:59.00 | jelly-home | danderson: but you said you followed /msg dpkg search |
| 01:59.29 | dayid | danderson:: http://sawfish.wikia.com/wiki/Enabling_transparency |
| 01:59.44 | dayid | 2nd hit for "debian xcompmgr" in google |
| 02:00.10 | dayid | as well as http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/185 |
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| 02:00.22 | dayid | the wopping 3rd response in google |
| 02:00.24 | dayid | but the first has your answer |
| 02:00.39 | cheetahj25 | how can i get my nvidia video card to work? |
| 02:01.04 | JordiGH | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:01.04 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 02:01.21 | JordiGH | cheetahj25: I play Nexuiz with the Intel card. |
| 02:01.31 | JordiGH | Die die die nvidia! |
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| 02:01.45 | jetscreamer | nvidia rocks and is easy to get working in debian |
| 02:01.47 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 02:01.53 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: Bring it on, beeyotch. |
| 02:02.15 | jetscreamer | i was a q3 god so nexuiz shouldn't take me too long to rule |
| 02:02.22 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 02:02.49 | icedtea | damn, its been awhile since ive used linux. whats the command to display all the kernel startup messages again? |
| 02:02.50 | amphi | JordiGH: which intel, if I may ask? |
| 02:02.58 | amphi | icedtea: dmesg |
| 02:02.58 | jetscreamer | !dmesg |
| 02:02.58 | dpkg | [dmesg] print or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents. |
| 02:03.00 | GhostlyDeath | I have no clue what channel I am inside |
| 02:03.05 | icedtea | thanks guys |
| 02:03.09 | GhostlyDeath | because all I see are boxes for every single character |
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| 02:03.25 | jetscreamer | you need some fonts, GhostlyDeath |
| 02:03.28 | donald_ | anyone here using a Thinkpad X61 with Lenny? |
| 02:03.33 | GhostlyDeath | I cant see what you just said |
| 02:03.38 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 02:03.44 | jetscreamer | GhostlyDeath: irssi |
| 02:03.44 | dayid | GhostlyDeath:: then GTFO? |
| 02:03.45 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: «Ô» |
| 02:03.46 | dayid | :p |
| 02:03.52 | dayid | amphi:: hah |
| 02:03.59 | jetscreamer | !tell GhostlyDeath -about irssi |
| 02:04.01 | JordiGH | amphi: All of the newer Intel cards I've tried worked without a hitch on Nexuiz. On medium settings and enabling some lighting effects, I was able to get framerates of 35 fps or so with the Dellbuntu lappy. It's using... wait... |
| 02:04.23 | GhostlyDeath | ill give you a screenshot |
| 02:04.25 | JordiGH | Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 |
| 02:04.40 | jetscreamer | JordiGH: you might look at tremulous if you like nexuiz.. it's in contrib or non-free |
| 02:04.45 | JordiGH | amphi: I think the internal chipset is Intel GM965/GL960 |
| 02:04.55 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: contrib. Code is free, content isn't. :-/ |
| 02:04.58 | amphi | JordiGH: I don't play games, but good to here that intel's perform usably for such tasks, as the only modern 3d cards with open drivers |
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| 02:05.11 | GhostlyDeath | http://ghostlydeath.googlepages.com/0.png |
| 02:05.23 | amphi | JordiGH: ah, that's quite recent I think, AKA x3100? |
| 02:05.39 | JordiGH | amphi: They perform well on "normal" settings. If I get greedy and want more shadow and lighting effects, framerates drop unacceptably. But at least I can play the game and rack some good frags. |
| 02:05.47 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: good font choice ;) |
| 02:05.51 | JordiGH | amphi: Yeah, I bought it last month. :-) |
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| 02:08.53 | GhostlyDeath | was I in the right channel? |
| 02:08.54 | borbus | This package seems to have the wrong description: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/murmur |
| 02:09.03 | borbus | Not sure if I should report that as a bug or not? |
| 02:10.00 | dondelelcaro | borbus: if it's actually the wrong description, file it as a minor or normal bug |
| 02:10.09 | dondelelcaro | borbus: ideally with a suggestion for the proper description |
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| 02:10.52 | borbus | dondelelcaro, actually.. I'm not sure if it is.. the packages list includes this museek++ which I've never heard of |
| 02:11.04 | cheetahj25 | i tried this cmd... apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:11.05 | borbus | But I thought it was murmur as in the client for mumble, which is a voice chat app |
| 02:11.11 | wols | http://daelstorm.thegraveyard.org/murmur.php |
| 02:11.18 | wols | seems it is what it claims |
| 02:11.28 | dondelelcaro | borbus: no, it's murmur, which is a client for museek+ |
| 02:11.35 | cheetahj25 | but i get ; Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
| 02:11.40 | borbus | Oh.. so there's two apps with the same name |
| 02:11.45 | dondelelcaro | could be |
| 02:11.56 | borbus | What will happen if the murmur server is added to Debian? |
| 02:11.57 | wols | cheetahj25: what debian branch? |
| 02:12.02 | cheetahj25 | etch |
| 02:12.07 | GhostlyDeath | oh yeah |
| 02:12.11 | dondelelcaro | borbus: with a word like murmur, there probably are even more than that. |
| 02:12.13 | GhostlyDeath | good thing I took a picture |
| 02:12.15 | wols | !tell borbus about non-free |
| 02:12.24 | dondelelcaro | borbus: it'll have to use a different name, like murmur-server or something else. |
| 02:12.26 | GhostlyDeath | Something's wrong with my Sans, Monospace and other fonts |
| 02:12.27 | wols | oops |
| 02:12.32 | borbus | The murmur server is free |
| 02:12.35 | wols | !tell cheetahj25 about non-free |
| 02:12.37 | GhostlyDeath | I had to change it all to salem for it to work |
| 02:12.39 | borbus | Oh right |
| 02:12.59 | wols | cheetahj25: contrib is needed too |
| 02:13.44 | GhostlyDeath | Whoever messaged me before, can you repeat what you said please |
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| 02:14.20 | cheetahj25 | sorry i am sort of new... the non-free, means i have to add another source not currently included by default ? |
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| 02:14.52 | pipeline | cheetahj25: yes. Add non-free to existing apt source lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:15.27 | GhostlyDeath | gdm stopped working for me |
| 02:15.37 | GhostlyDeath | It would start and then say a message that was all boxes |
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| 02:19.12 | cheetahj25 | thanx wols |
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| 02:20.23 | dayid | cheetahj25:: indeed |
| 02:20.29 | se7en | somebody know how to install kde4 on lenny |
| 02:20.40 | JordiGH | !info kde4 |
| 02:20.42 | GhostlyDeath | hopefully package reinstallations will fix my problem |
| 02:20.54 | JordiGH | Oh, it's not packaged yet? |
| 02:20.59 | jsubl2 | se7en: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html |
| 02:21.09 | se7en | !kde4 |
| 02:21.09 | dpkg | hmm... kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 02:22.05 | JordiGH | Do we have a planned date for lenny freeze yet? |
| 02:22.24 | cheetahj25 | hmm... that didnt seem to work though.... now i get a fatal server error: no screens found X10: fatal IO error 104 |
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| 02:23.10 | JordiGH | cheetaj25: Is there an error message before that one? |
| 02:24.13 | cheetahj25 | (EE) No devices detected |
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| 02:25.44 | JordiGH | cheetahj25: Before that? :-) |
| 02:25.54 | JordiGH | Ooh, lenny offers to install GRUB2. |
| 02:26.30 | JordiGH | I'd love to do it, but I'm not sure I would know how to fix it with an encrypted lvm if it breaks. |
| 02:26.37 | cheetahj25 | no errors before that, but it does point to log file which i am checking now |
| 02:27.02 | JordiGH | cheetaj: Do "tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
| 02:27.26 | cheetahj25 | thats my error log |
| 02:28.10 | cheetahj25 | primary device is: (II) PCI 04:00:0 then the (EE) No devices detected |
| 02:28.13 | JordiGH | What the hell... if it breaks... |
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| 02:32.46 | JordiGH | Could I install GRUB legacy and later easily update to GRUB2? |
| 02:32.49 | JordiGH | I think I'll do that. |
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| 02:33.40 | GhostlyDeath | damnit |
| 02:33.42 | GhostlyDeath | gdm is broke! |
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| 02:34.18 | xuser | is there a debian script to install grup after install? |
| 02:34.50 | donald_ | xuser: i think grub-install is what u want ?? |
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| 02:35.22 | xuser | donald_: maybe :) |
| 02:35.38 | Opers | heLLO |
| 02:36.04 | GhostlyDeath | Where are the fonts located? |
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| 02:40.33 | cheetahj25 | i found a driver installation app for my card on the nvidia website... |
| 02:41.11 | cheetahj25 | but i am getting; no precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel |
| 02:41.27 | Nyle | is today sunday |
| 02:41.28 | Nyle | ? |
| 02:41.39 | Nyle | !ops Asss being obnoxious and spamming |
| 02:41.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nyle complains about: Asss being obnoxious and spamming |
| 02:41.49 | cheetahj25 | then if i select nvidia to compile ... i get error reading, unable to find kernel source tree |
| 02:41.59 | cheetahj25 | what does that mean ? |
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| 02:43.04 | Nyle | cheetahj25: how are you compiling nvidia? |
| 02:43.15 | Nyle | cheetahj25: don't use the driver installer from nvidia imo |
| 02:43.24 | Nyle | regardless of what jetscreamer says |
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| 02:43.58 | cheetahj25 | i downloaded the nvidia driver from their site... nvidia linux display driver |
| 02:44.07 | cheetahj25 | it is a .run file |
| 02:44.22 | Nyle | !nvidia |
| 02:44.22 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 02:44.28 | cheetahj25 | when i enter... sh filename.run it runs this script |
| 02:44.38 | Nyle | cheetahj25: I woulnd' tuse that |
| 02:44.58 | Nyle | cheetahj25: just install it using the debian way, i.e., module-assistant |
| 02:45.04 | Nyle | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:45.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 02:45.13 | cheetahj25 | i tried... that way and i get the error... i wrote it above |
| 02:45.43 | cheetahj25 | fatal server error: no screens found X10: fatal IO error 104 |
| 02:46.11 | Nyle | you have nvidia-glx installed? |
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| 02:46.34 | Nyle | how about as root, modprobe nvidia (assuming you've alredy compiled the module) |
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| 02:47.10 | cheetahj25 | glx - yes |
| 02:47.59 | cheetahj25 | modprobe nvidia responds; acpi & pci |
| 02:48.08 | Nyle | weird |
| 02:48.09 | cheetahj25 | and nvrm |
| 02:48.12 | Nyle | it shouldn't say anything |
| 02:48.29 | cheetahj25 | really ? |
| 02:48.32 | Nyle | or it should say what was loaded |
| 02:48.40 | Nyle | no output == success |
| 02:48.41 | cheetahj25 | oh now it doesnt |
| 02:48.42 | Nyle | with modprobe |
| 02:48.49 | Nyle | oh man |
| 02:48.57 | Nyle | dude I would love you help you but my chinese food just got here |
| 02:49.03 | Nyle | I have eaten all day |
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| 02:49.08 | Nyle | have not* |
| 02:49.17 | cheetahj25 | 3 x in a row now modprobe = no output... but i get same error when; startx |
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| 02:49.41 | cheetahj25 | oh go ahead :) enjoy ... beef & broccoli ? |
| 02:49.41 | Nyle | you've looked in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 02:49.46 | cheetahj25 | yes |
| 02:49.49 | Nyle | grep the file for EE |
| 02:49.53 | cheetahj25 | and actually my card is not listed there |
| 02:49.56 | Nyle | or read it around the end of it |
| 02:50.01 | cheetahj25 | (EE) no devices found |
| 02:50.09 | Nyle | lspci lists nvidia? |
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| 02:50.41 | Nyle | are you sure you don't need like nvidia legacy something if you have an old card |
| 02:50.54 | Nyle | argh stomach grumble, food, be back later |
| 02:50.56 | Nyle | good luck |
| 02:50.59 | cheetahj25 | yeah... last one... vga compatible ... but i thinc that is what the reconfigure xorg... entered |
| 02:51.09 | cheetahj25 | no new card... maybe that is problem |
| 02:51.17 | cheetahj25 | no problem... go eat :) |
| 02:51.54 | Obligatory | I have Samba troubles. A knoppix server is set up to share stuff, and worked the other day, but I can't seem to mount drives from my Debian box. |
| 02:52.30 | Cr3ature | is there any real optimization in AMD64 versus to the older 386 |
| 02:53.03 | Cr3ature | all benefits i know is that memory addresses have 64bit variable |
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| 02:55.16 | Obligatory | How do I text if my knoppix samba server is working? |
| 02:55.42 | Obligatory | s/text/test/ |
| 02:56.26 | h3xis | see if you can connect to it from another computer? |
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| 02:58.44 | Obligatory | h3xis, inconclusive -- what if the other computer was misconfigured or I wasn't using it the client correctly? |
| 02:59.03 | Obligatory | agh, s/it the/ its/ |
| 03:00.05 | Obligatory | nmap says the right ports are open: 139, & 445. |
| 03:00.33 | h3xis | Obligatory, if the other computers are misconfigured then you should configure them right |
| 03:00.44 | SynZ | Hey is it Possible for a bit of help please, Im using a ibm thinkpad g40, and i have just recently installed debian-40r2-i386-kde but i cant find a driver for My Wireless, ive looked all over the net. |
| 03:00.56 | h3xis | SynZ, what chipset |
| 03:01.10 | SynZ | High Rate Wireless LAN Mini PCI |
| 03:01.25 | h3xis | right but what's the chipset |
| 03:01.48 | Obligatory | h3xis,obviously I should, but suppose they're not. The first point of failure is the server, doesn't it logically follow that I would test it first, then the other parts? |
| 03:02.03 | SynZ | Im not to sure, how do i know? |
| 03:02.21 | Obligatory | SynZ is it a PCI card or on the mobo? |
| 03:02.37 | SynZ | MiniPCI Adapter III |
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| 03:02.40 | SynZ | its built in |
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| 03:02.54 | h3xis | SynZ, as a super user do lspci and look for it there. it'll tell you the chipset |
| 03:03.02 | SynZ | ok |
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| 03:03.17 | h3xis | Obligatory, what kind of environment are you in |
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| 03:03.44 | Obligatory | h3xis, env.? In what sense? |
| 03:04.06 | h3xis | Obligatory, what kind of setup do you have where you cant check to see if it's the client? |
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| 03:04.59 | Obligatory | h3xis, sorry, did I say I can't check to see if the client? |
| 03:05.07 | h3xis | yeah |
| 03:05.59 | SynZ | I cant see it In there h3xis |
| 03:06.17 | h3xis | SynZ, paste it in pastebin.ca |
| 03:06.30 | Obligatory | h3xis, odd, not in my log. I said checking the client was inconclusive, since the first point of failure was the server. Re systems: client, Debian unstable, server knoppix. |
| 03:07.03 | Obligatory | SynZ, what you said "MiniPCI Adapter III", you mean you have a wireless card plugged in that, right? |
| 03:07.17 | SynZ | Both |
| 03:07.18 | Obligatory | Gah, I can't type tonight... |
| 03:07.21 | SynZ | i have one built in |
| 03:07.26 | SynZ | and one in the slot |
| 03:07.32 | Obligatory | SynZ, Oh. |
| 03:07.40 | h3xis | Obligatory, how do you know the server is the point of failure? it's possible your client(s) could not be configured correctly |
| 03:07.55 | Obligatory | SynZ, so you have TWO wireless cards in one laptop, yes? |
| 03:08.02 | SynZ | Yes |
| 03:08.16 | Nyle | cheetahj25: I'm back |
| 03:08.25 | Obligatory | h3xis, exactly. The server seems like the logical first point of failure, no? |
| 03:08.34 | SynZ | One that is Built-in to the Laptop and another one in the Slot. |
| 03:09.33 | h3xis | Obligatory, right. apparently youve done everything you can to ensure that it is not the problem. the next logical step is to check the clients |
| 03:09.33 | SynZ | h3xis, it has not got Internet on it to be able to reach that website to paste it for you. |
| 03:09.43 | Obligatory | SynZ, simplification is sometimes good. Are both wireless devices necessary? |
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| 03:09.52 | SynZ | Nope |
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| 03:11.15 | Obligatory | h3xis, but I'm not sure I've done everything I can to ensure the server isn't the problem. My network skills are so-so. |
| 03:12.17 | Obligatory | SynZ, I'd start with the built-in wireless device... guess we should look up if its supported. What laptop model is it again? |
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| 03:12.38 | h3xis | Obligatory, then do the best you can with the server first. then go to the clients. if they are fine, they go back to the server |
| 03:12.43 | h3xis | then* |
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| 03:13.27 | SynZ | Obligatory, IBM thinkpad G40 |
| 03:13.59 | Obligatory | h3xis, that advice reminds me of: http://www.orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/toridof.htm :) |
| 03:15.00 | Obligatory | SynZ, looking it up now... |
| 03:15.12 | SynZ | Thank's Obligatory :) |
| 03:15.37 | h3xis | Obligatory, i dont understand. you could have a very simple misconfiguration in your clients. youve obviouls given your server a run down of its configuration to make sure it's correct |
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| 03:17.36 | Hulya_5 | hi all |
| 03:17.41 | Hulya_5 | debian is cool |
| 03:17.47 | Hulya_5 | debian is cool : http://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/11/90/17/15/hjk10.jpg |
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| 03:18.24 | \amethyst | ugh, porn spam |
| 03:18.26 | pipeline | !ops Hulya_5 is posting porn :( |
| 03:18.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: pipeline complains about: Hulya_5 is posting porn :( |
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| 03:18.48 | mentor | meh |
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| 03:19.02 | Obligatory | h3xis, I don't know if my rundown is sufficient or not -- it's knoppix, I just made sure it had an IP, (yes), ran 'Services>Start Samba', answered a few easy questions and that's about it. From the client I ran xnmap, saw that server ports 139 & 445 are open. |
| 03:19.24 | h3xis | Obligatory, did you configure the shares on it? |
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| 03:20.14 | Obligatory | h3xis, kinda, I enabled 'mount all drives' (it's plenty private). |
| 03:21.12 | h3xis | Obligatory, ive never used knoppix to configure samba, but did you do it through the editing of a text file or is there some wizard included with knoppiz that lets you enable shares? simply mounting drives doesnt do anything |
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| 03:23.34 | xuser | any ideas why i get this error "the file /boot/grub/stage not read correctly" when running grub-install? |
| 03:23.38 | Obligatory | h3xis, well knoppix uses a something like a wizard, more ad hoc, just a few prompts, and it configures stuff. It's probably working at that, but it'd be nice to know for sure, say with some obvious server side command I'm currently ignorant of. |
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| 03:24.36 | cheetahj25 | hi nyle... i finished going through the wiki, but still no deal... |
| 03:24.52 | h3xis | Obligatory, im not sure where the smb.conf is located, but you need to find it and then run as a super user: testparm /location/to/smb.conf to make sure the syntax is correct in your shares, granted that youve configured them |
| 03:25.07 | cheetahj25 | but before i already had installed the nvidia ones... so i am reinstalling distro from scratch and i will try again |
| 03:25.19 | cheetahj25 | it reads that my card is supported, so it should work |
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| 03:25.23 | h3xis | Obligatory, you could try checking /etc/samba |
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| 03:26.31 | Gun_Smoke | Regarding compiz and kde on lenny.. I'm looking around google.. Would someone have a bookmark/how-to you've found useful? |
| 03:27.52 | JordiGH | Ah, yes, I'd like to know too. |
| 03:27.54 | SynZ | h3xis, its a Atheros chipset |
| 03:28.03 | h3xis | SynZ, which model :p |
| 03:28.11 | SynZ | http://david.hardeman.nu/documents/thinkpad/single.html#network |
| 03:28.15 | SynZ | i Found something about it |
| 03:28.18 | SynZ | hehe |
| 03:28.31 | Obligatory | SynZ, sorry for the delays, kinda occupied... |
| 03:28.38 | SynZ | Nps |
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| 03:29.07 | h3xis | SynZ, ive never dealt with an atheros card before but maybe this would be of some help: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian/MadWifi |
| 03:30.24 | dondelelcaro | SynZ: assuming you've got a working network, you can just aptitude install module-assistant; m-a a-i madiwif; |
| 03:30.31 | Obligatory | h3xis, /etc/samba/smb.conf looks OK. So how do I check if its running and well behaved from the server? |
| 03:30.32 | h3xis | Gun_Smoke, JordiGH, http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?cat=11 i'm running compiz on gnome and i went by that and everything is working fine |
| 03:30.41 | SynZ | I dont have a working card |
| 03:30.52 | SynZ | im on my other laptop dondelelcaro |
| 03:31.07 | h3xis | SynZ, youre going to have to figure out how to give it internet |
| 03:31.26 | dondelelcaro | SynZ: well, then you'll have to figure out how to transport the module-assistant, build-essential, madwifi-source, and appropriate kernel package to that machine |
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| 03:31.49 | Obligatory | SynZ, doesn't the G40 have an ethernet port? (the wire kind) |
| 03:31.50 | h3xis | Obligatory, well if testparm says everything is okay check to make sure that the paths are configured correctly. maybe you could dump your smb.conf into pastebin.ca and i could check it |
| 03:31.53 | dondelelcaro | SynZ: if you've got full cds, everything save for madwifi-source is on them. [madwifi-source is in non-free, and will require you to download and move it across.] |
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| 03:32.48 | SynZ | umm |
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| 03:35.15 | JordiGH | Oh, compiz is in Debian? aptitude install compiz? That easy? |
| 03:35.23 | Gun_Smoke | h3xis: Thanks for the link.. I'm looking for something written for kde users.. Also from the links I've found on shame's site it asks to pull from sid. Then a few google searches later I see a few lines that compiz is in lenny.. So I don't know where to go.. I was hoping someone who is running kde has recently toyed with compiz might have an up to date how-to. |
| 03:35.43 | JordiGH | Can I already put different images on each side of the cube already? |
| 03:36.10 | h3xis | Gun_Smoke, that link works with kde users as well |
| 03:36.28 | Obligatory | h3xis, 'testparm' -- that's handy. Unfortunately I must run. Thanks for the help! l8r... |
| 03:36.33 | h3xis | alright |
| 03:36.34 | Gun_Smoke | h3xis: Still pulling from sid? |
| 03:36.46 | h3xis | Gun_Smoke, ehhh let me check. i use lenny |
| 03:37.12 | amphi | Gun_Smoke: the repository of shame has packages for all three branches of debian |
| 03:37.50 | amphi | Gun_Smoke: kde does not understand compiz's viewports, it seems, so some of the panel stuff will misbehave |
| 03:38.23 | Faithful | what's the lightest xserver with mouse support? |
| 03:38.32 | Gun_Smoke | amphi: Well that sucks.. |
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| 03:38.46 | Faithful | I just want to run vncserver but I need an xserver. |
| 03:38.50 | amphi | Gun_Smoke: I will refrain from the obvious remark |
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| 03:39.11 | Gun_Smoke | check |
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| 03:39.24 | \amethyst | Faithful: xvfb is an X server without any graphics or input devices |
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| 03:42.20 | cheetahj25 | what is the minimum packages i need to install for x & kde ? |
| 03:42.26 | Faithful | \amethyst: I am looking for basic mouse and keys |
| 03:42.40 | cheetahj25 | just... aptitude install xorg xserver kde-desktop ? |
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| 03:43.33 | \amethyst | Faithful: oh, so you're going to be controlling it locally too? |
| 03:44.30 | \amethyst | Faithful: then you'll probably need xserver-xorg |
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| 03:46.26 | xulf | Hello |
| 03:46.37 | xulf | how do I check if I am connected via 100 or 1000 mbps? |
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| 03:47.02 | \amethyst | xulf: ethtool eth0 | grep Speed |
| 03:48.27 | Faithful | \amethyst: no I don't want to control it locally... but by vnc... |
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| 03:48.46 | \amethyst | Faithful: then you don't need keyboard or mouse support, do you? |
| 03:49.04 | Faithful | Ok... I wasn't sure on that |
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| 03:50.50 | JordiGH | Man, another KDE install, another day spending prettying it up over the default look. |
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| 03:55.29 | SynZ | h3xis, ive got the MadwiFi downloaded, and i put it on CD. can someone help me Install it i tried the read-Me but dont make too much sense to me :\ |
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| 03:56.31 | cheetahj25 | the free 2d drivers aren't even working for me |
| 03:57.24 | needhelp | hi i'm having a problem with my /etc/exports .. /video *.sinet(ro,subtree_check) just won't work.. but /video client.sinet(ro,subtree_check) will work.. how come? |
| 03:57.39 | needhelp | why is *.sinet cannot work~ |
| 03:57.47 | needhelp | as in.. nfs mount |
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| 04:00.25 | needhelp | hi i'm having a problem with my server's /etc/exports .. /video *.sinet(ro,subtree_check) just won't let my client mount.. but /video client.sinet(ro,subtree_check) will let my client mount..what happened to *.sinet? |
| 04:01.12 | \amethyst | needhelp: does the client's IP reverse as "client.sinet" ? |
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| 04:01.41 | Abhjkort2 | hi all |
| 04:01.46 | Abhjkort2 | http://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/11/90/17/15/hjk10.jpg --- this is one of what you miss :)... |
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| 04:01.51 | Abhjkort2 | exotics.heavenforum.com |
| 04:01.57 | Abhjkort2 | http://exotics.heavenforum.com |
| 04:02.42 | needhelp | reverse as? |
| 04:02.49 | needhelp | from the server i can ping client.sinet |
| 04:03.12 | SynZ | can someone help me install Madwifi. can someone help me Install it i tried the read-Me but dont make too much sense to me :\ |
| 04:03.34 | needhelp | how did *.sinet failed of a sudden.. it used to be working |
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| 04:06.07 | lontra | i *thought* i enabled horizontal scrolling for my synaptic touchpad ... however when i try to use it to scroll horizontal in the a program it scrolls vertically! any ideas why? here's what's in xorg.conf -> #Option "HorizScrollDelta" "0" |
| 04:07.07 | lontra | has an idea ... brb |
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| 04:08.31 | lontra | ok easily fixed |
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| 04:09.09 | SynZ | can someone help me install Madwifi. can someone help me Install it i tried the read-Me but dont make too much sense to me :\ |
| 04:09.33 | JordiGH | Great, no sound. :-) |
| 04:10.25 | hark | SynZ: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
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| 04:10.59 | amphi | JordiGH: snd-hda-intel? ;) |
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| 04:11.23 | JordiGH | amphi: modprobe that? |
| 04:11.44 | amphi | JordiGH: what card is it? ;) |
| 04:12.39 | JordiGH | amphi: ICH8 family. |
| 04:12.44 | JordiGH | 828801h |
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| 04:13.35 | amphi | that's snd-hda-intel I believe |
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| 04:13.42 | arooni-mobile | hey team! |
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| 04:14.03 | arooni-mobile | where do i go to add commands that should run on system startup? (not crontab -e) .. is there another place? |
| 04:14.34 | dayid | arooni-mobile:: rc |
| 04:14.48 | arooni-mobile | dayid, what directory is that |
| 04:15.05 | JordiGH | Does that thing have a manpage? |
| 04:15.26 | arooni-mobile | No manual entry for rc |
| 04:15.30 | dayid | arooni-mobile:: look up rc+debian - or rc+any distribution pretty much |
| 04:15.41 | dayid | rc.local, etc, all your rc.d's, all your runlevels... |
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| 04:19.45 | cheetahj25 | no deal again ... hmmm |
| 04:19.51 | cheetahj25 | ill have to try again tomorrow |
| 04:19.59 | cheetahj25 | nvidia ... :( |
| 04:21.16 | JordiGH | amphi: Well, it's modprobed, but I get no sound. |
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| 04:21.19 | amphi | JordiGH: what version of alsa do you have? |
| 04:21.46 | JordiGH | libalsa? |
| 04:22.07 | JordiGH | none. :-) |
| 04:22.15 | JordiGH | alsa-base isn't installed. Do I need that? |
| 04:22.16 | amphi | alsamixer will say |
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| 04:23.23 | JordiGH | What does the desktop debconf task install? |
| 04:23.32 | amphi | channels are un-muted? ;) |
| 04:23.43 | JordiGH | I don't have alsamixer installed. |
| 04:23.59 | amphi | :o |
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| 04:24.31 | cLaiRee | why is it everytime i restart my nfs kernel daemon i see this "Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon...chelsea.sinet:/video0/data: Invalid argument" ? i check my /etc/exports there is no such thing as chelsea.sinet.. |
| 04:24.35 | JordiGH | I didn't install the desktop task from debconf because I knew that was going to download gnome, so I thought I could just install the xserver-xorg and kde packages and get the stuff I wanted. Obviously I was wrong. |
| 04:25.00 | amphi | why? I never install anything from tasksel |
| 04:26.42 | JordiGH | Well, I have no sound. I probably don't have Iceweasel either. I'm sure there are other things expected on a desktop install I don't have. But boy, do I have Emacs. I've been trying to tell them forever that Emacs belongs in a base install. ;-) |
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| 04:28.10 | JordiGH | What does {a} in a package name mean? |
| 04:28.14 | mephux | can someone point me to a download of debian cli for a server? |
| 04:28.32 | Jygzygyzel | aids |
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| 04:29.03 | JordiGH | mephux: Rephrase your question. What are you looking for? |
| 04:29.15 | y | I'm looking for a theory... I've got LDAP working on a server and I can connect to it on client, but I can't get anything out of search results |
| 04:29.21 | y | says 'no object found' |
| 04:29.25 | mephux | debian + only cli + preped for a server env |
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| 04:30.01 | JordiGH | mephux: When you do a Debian install, don't select the desktop task, and select the server things you want there instead. |
| 04:30.19 | mephux | only cli possible = y/h/i |
| 04:30.52 | icedtea | how do you change your window manager from metacity to compiz? |
| 04:31.11 | mephux | seems like a waste of download when all i need is the cli.. hhm can't believe they don't have a iso for for the cli version |
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| 04:32.14 | JordiGH | Hm, linux-sound-base wasn't installed for some reason. |
| 04:32.39 | JordiGH | mephux: Huh? A netinstall seems like overkill? |
| 04:33.00 | mephux | ? |
| 04:33.21 | mephux | i am using it for an IDS and IPS... |
| 04:33.29 | JordiGH | A what and a what? |
| 04:33.29 | mephux | access to the net is not possible.. |
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| 04:33.47 | JordiGH | mephux: What's your complaint? That the first Debian install CD is too big? |
| 04:34.09 | mephux | yes, just a waste of time.. i only need the cli.. fuck a gui.. |
| 04:35.01 | amphi | perhaps you could ask debian to make you a special iso |
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| 04:35.17 | JordiGH | So you don't want to download the minimal business card ISO that will bootstrap a Debian system to install over the net... and you don't want to download an install CD that will have the stuff you want because that CD also has the GUI in it. How do you expect to obtain Debian, then? You want someone to make a CD that installs everything but a GUI? |
| 04:35.22 | Casper | hi there, does anyone know a gui based ftp client that can download the file only if the size is different or inexistant? I have too much stuff to ftp and need to ensure that all went throught completly... |
| 04:35.23 | mephux | amphi: perhaps. or i could be a dick and said stupid shit |
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| 04:35.54 | mephux | JordiGH: This IDS can't connect to the internet.. |
| 04:35.55 | JordiGH | Casper: Unison might be wortha shot. |
| 04:35.59 | cLaiRee | why is it everytime i restart my nfs kernel daemon i see this "Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon...chelsea.sinet:/video0/data: Invalid argument" ? i check my /etc/exports there is no such thing as chelsea.sinet.. |
| 04:36.02 | jetscreamer | why don't you use goodbye-windows.com or debootstrap |
| 04:36.02 | JordiGH | IDS? IPS? WTF? |
| 04:36.06 | JordiGH | wtf ids |
| 04:36.07 | mephux | wow |
| 04:36.09 | JordiGH | !wtf ids |
| 04:36.11 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what ids means... |
| 04:36.20 | JordiGH | IDS isn't in the wtf database. |
| 04:36.25 | mephux | intrusion detection system |
| 04:36.35 | mephux | wow.. snort? |
| 04:36.39 | mephux | mars? |
| 04:36.46 | jetscreamer | how do i check to see what fs is on an unmounted partition |
| 04:37.05 | enouf | [23:22:56] <enouf> cLaiRee: man showmount , man exports, man exportfs |
| 04:37.09 | enouf | ;-) |
| 04:37.16 | cLaiRee | ok read that..now what? |
| 04:37.20 | mephux | !wtf snort |
| 04:37.21 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what snort means... |
| 04:37.25 | jetscreamer | Casper: gftp has a resume option that would do what you want |
| 04:37.30 | mephux | lulz.. mad gay |
| 04:37.30 | jetscreamer | !snort |
| 04:37.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, snort is a GPL-licensed open source network intrusion detection system. Snort is capable of performing real-time traffic analysis and packet logging on IP networks. It can perform protocol analysis, content searching/matching and can be used to detect a variety of attacks and probes, such as buffer overflows, stealth port scans, CGI attacks, SMB probes, OS fingerprinting attempts, and much more. http://snort.org |
| 04:37.31 | enouf | cLaiRee: are you running debian? |
| 04:37.36 | cLaiRee | yep |
| 04:37.38 | jetscreamer | now answer my question |
| 04:38.10 | mephux | lol |
| 04:38.17 | jetscreamer | Casper: or just use wget.. gnome and kde both have a front end for wget |
| 04:38.17 | Casper | jetscreamer: gftp always crash on me, beside, it's not a overwrite if size differ... it's what to do with the existing file... |
| 04:38.23 | cLaiRee | exportfs -a --> chelsea.sinet:/video0/data: Invalid argument ... checked /etc/exports , nothing unusual or chelsea inside |
| 04:38.29 | Casper | JordiGH: unison don't seems to be via ftp.. |
| 04:38.47 | enouf | jetscreamer: ? file -s /dev/hdaX |
| 04:38.50 | jetscreamer | resume would overwrite if the size was diff |
| 04:38.53 | Casper | jetscreamer: wget don't upload.. |
| 04:38.54 | jetscreamer | thanks enouf |
| 04:39.05 | jetscreamer | yes it will i believe.. |
| 04:39.10 | jetscreamer | can't swear |
| 04:39.12 | JordiGH | Casper: What? You sure? I could have sworn... |
| 04:39.23 | jetscreamer | man wget .. i did |
| 04:39.30 | enouf | jetscreamer: np - fwiw, udevinfo -q all -n /dev/hdaX will show more info |
| 04:40.04 | JordiGH | If I want to customise the keymap, say, swap two keys because I don't like where one is, and I want to do this in the consol, should I manually mess with /etc/console? |
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| 04:40.23 | Casper | also for gftp... you have to review all the existing files to see if it's fine... at about 40000 files... not a good idea... |
| 04:40.33 | [|newbie|] | hi, anyone alive? |
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| 04:41.17 | \amethyst | JordiGH: man keymaps; man loadkeys |
| 04:41.26 | \amethyst | JordiGH: wait, never mind |
| 04:41.31 | \amethyst | JordiGH: I misread your question |
| 04:42.11 | amphi | JordiGH: you could just 'echo blah | loadkeys' |
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| 04:42.27 | \amethyst | JordiGH: I would personally copy an existing keymap into /etc/console and edit the copy |
| 04:42.32 | JordiGH | amphi: For what values of 'blah'? |
| 04:42.50 | amphi | the keys you want to swap |
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| 04:43.05 | JordiGH | amphi, right, how do I find what they're called by Linux? |
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| 04:43.23 | jetscreamer | xev? |
| 04:43.28 | amphi | JordiGH: eg. echo 'keycode 158 = Decr_Console' | loadkeys |
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| 04:43.40 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: Same names in a console as in X will work? |
| 04:43.50 | amphi | JordiGH: that's what I have for my stinkpad PgLeft key |
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| 04:43.56 | jetscreamer | o |
| 04:44.00 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 04:44.02 | amphi | JordiGH: showkey for keycodes |
| 04:44.15 | amphi | JordiGH: dumpkeys will dump your current keymap |
| 04:44.19 | JordiGH | Also, my console is having issues with UTF-8. :-/ |
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| 04:44.40 | jetscreamer | brbbl |
| 04:45.04 | [|newbie|] | anyone in QoS on Debian? |
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| 04:46.09 | almostautomated | what would be the syntax for an apt-get command to list versions for vim-enhanced that are available in either stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 04:46.26 | JordiGH | almostautomated: apt-cache policy vim-ehnanced |
| 04:46.44 | JordiGH | almostautomated: It's a fun situation in Debian that there are different apt binaries for manipulating packages. |
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| 04:47.21 | JordiGH | almostautomated: This is assuming that you already have stable, testing, and unstable sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list, which is not common. |
| 04:47.52 | almostautomated | JordiGH: Thanks; that's what I'm missing |
| 04:48.43 | amphi | JordiGH: try mucking about with setfont perhaps |
| 04:48.52 | Nyle | I want a more mature than etch amd64 stable |
| 04:49.06 | JordiGH | mature? |
| 04:49.06 | Nyle | come on people, lets get lenny frozen |
| 04:49.09 | icedtea | anyone else have problems with gnome's Appearance Preferences dialog? |
| 04:49.15 | JordiGH | Older doesn't mean mature, y'know. |
| 04:49.34 | icedtea | i'm having a problem with lenny |
| 04:49.35 | cLaiRee | how to list the content and diskspace info in my tape drive? /dev/nst0 .. |
| 04:49.36 | JordiGH | etch is mature. it's rock solid. It doesn't give me the nonsense I decided to deal with lenny right now. :-) |
| 04:49.48 | JordiGH | icedtea: Good! That's how it's supposed to be. File some bug reports! |
| 04:49.49 | Nyle | are you saying that with time amd64 port of debian won't get better/mature? |
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| 04:50.02 | almostautomated | JordiGH: Can I add that via apt-config, or better to edit the file because apt-config dump doesn't show any version; also if I add all three I'll still be able to select which version right? |
| 04:50.06 | Nyle | JordiGH: have you ever used amd64 stable? |
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| 04:50.21 | Nyle | JordiGH: its utter garbage |
| 04:50.26 | JordiGH | Nyle: I'm using lenny amd64 right now. Just installed it for the first time. But I like bugs. |
| 04:50.51 | JordiGH | amphi: What's setfont? |
| 04:50.54 | Nyle | if you've never used it, you have absolutely no grounds for an opinion. |
| 04:51.11 | JordiGH | Nyle: I've used Debian; I have grounds for telling you that etch is stable. |
| 04:51.22 | Nyle | JordiGH: when did I contest that? |
| 04:51.38 | JordiGH | Nyle: You called etch immature! |
| 04:51.47 | Nyle | JordiGH: you are an idiot. |
| 04:51.53 | JordiGH | An immature idiot, no doubt. |
| 04:52.06 | almostautomated | lol, nope apt-config only reads ... |
| 04:53.09 | cycom_mac | Nyle: what don't you like about amd64 stable? |
| 04:53.23 | Nyle | cycom_mac: now that is a first valid question |
| 04:54.06 | cycom_mac | Nyle: a shot of bourbon helped it out :) |
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| 04:54.15 | Nyle | cycom_mac: I have massive stability issues with amd64 under debian/etch. Reboots, freezes, random restarts of X |
| 04:54.36 | cycom_mac | Nyle: not a hardware issue then? |
| 04:54.49 | cycom_mac | works fine with debian 32 bit? |
| 04:54.50 | JordiGH | Nyle: Are you using binary blobs? |
| 04:54.52 | Nyle | sid is more stable an etch ime, and I would guess it is because amd64 is constantly updated whiel etch is frozen and not updated |
| 04:55.02 | Nyle | so lenny/sid are more patched up against numerous bugs etc |
| 04:55.28 | Nyle | cycom_mac: and under ubuntu/kubuntu gutsy amd64 I have absolutely no issues at all |
| 04:55.55 | penp | then you obviously don't understand the purpose of stable |
| 04:55.55 | Nyle | which makes me logically conclude that etch being the first official port of amd64 is not yet as mature as its older siblings, i.e, lenny/sid |
| 04:55.59 | cycom_mac | Nyle: I would say they are somewhere between sid and etch, wouldn't you? Ubuntu that is. |
| 04:56.13 | Nyle | cycom_mac: its just a matter of time |
| 04:56.21 | Nyle | without a doubt debian is superior |
| 04:56.45 | Nyle | penp: I completely understand, which is why I would like the next stable very much |
| 04:57.16 | Nyle | penp: how did you gather that I misunderstood the purpose of stable? I you would share |
| 04:57.28 | Nyle | if* |
| 04:58.34 | Nyle | btw, this is all specifically in the context of amd64 |
| 04:58.42 | Nyle | try not to jump to any guns |
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| 04:59.14 | y | I'm looking for a theory... I've got LDAP working on a server and I can connect to it on client, but I'm not getting consistent ldapsearch results from client/server |
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| 04:59.56 | \amethyst | Nyle: possibly because it seemed you were using "stable" to mean both the distribution as well as "not prone to crashing" |
| 05:00.13 | Nyle | oh |
| 05:00.31 | \amethyst | but the distribution's name means "not prone to changing" |
| 05:00.38 | Nyle | remind me to help you distinguish between stable 'stable', and etch/lenny/sid |
| 05:00.53 | cycom_mac | hey now, lets keep it civil. |
| 05:01.14 | cycom_mac | I might need more knob creek if this keeps up. |
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| 05:01.22 | ddalton | enouf: hi. around? |
| 05:01.24 | Nyle | cycom_mac: don't worry yourself over it, \amethyst knows what I'm talking about |
| 05:01.29 | cycom_mac | hehe |
| 05:01.53 | Nyle | its not anything except when you are consued by me, remind me to clear it up |
| 05:01.54 | Nyle | basically |
| 05:01.58 | enouf | ddalton: hiya doing? |
| 05:02.21 | ddalton | hey enouf. Left coders? I gave you the shits or something? |
| 05:02.25 | Nyle | I use the terms stable to mean stable and etch at the same time |
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| 05:03.47 | Nyle | then again I am easily misunderstood, I have to constantly translate urdu to english in my head before I say it |
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| 05:03.58 | Nyle | sometimes the translations get broken in my head |
| 05:04.06 | cycom_mac | urdu? wassat? |
| 05:04.14 | Nyle | you can tell, my spelling, sentence structure, and grammar are horrible |
| 05:04.16 | Nyle | !ur |
| 05:04.16 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
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| 05:05.10 | SynZ | theres a problem with, madwifi-tools_0.9.2+dfsg-1_i386.deb |
| 05:05.16 | ddalton | enouf: anyway can you help me out with a static ip in ##ddalton? |
| 05:05.18 | Nyle | SynZ: which is? |
| 05:05.28 | Nyle | ddalton: you still haven't gotten it to work? |
| 05:05.42 | cycom_mac | Nyle: interesting. I wouldn't have thought you were converting to english. |
| 05:05.49 | Nyle | ddalton: its because you imo refuse to try to understand now networking works |
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| 05:06.01 | Nyle | ddalton: since yesterday or the day before |
| 05:06.11 | SynZ | it aint even a Debian File. |
| 05:06.18 | Nyle | ddalton: you were told many times by multiple people how to stup static ip config |
| 05:06.47 | enouf | ddalton: perhaps |
| 05:07.25 | Nyle | yet here you are again.. unless you've made some progress and read up some stuff or tried to configure it, it would be a waste to time telling you the same things again |
| 05:07.25 | Nyle | unless enouf has time to waste ;) |
| 05:07.25 | ddalton | what Im not allowed to ask for help? Oh im sorry |
| 05:07.25 | Nyle | ddalton: I apologize, I did not mean that |
| 05:07.25 | SynZ | Nyle it isnt even a Debian File |
| 05:07.25 | Nyle | ddalton: I meant, you're not trying it seems, maybe I'm wrong |
| 05:07.28 | enouf | Nyle: he's visualy impaired and the scroll goes too fast sometimes for his screenreader |
| 05:07.31 | icedtea | how do you disable a certain module from loading on bootup? |
| 05:07.37 | Nyle | enouf: I see, thats what that is |
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| 05:07.57 | cycom_mac | ddalton: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 05:08.00 | SynZ | nyle, when i did, dpkg -i |
| 05:08.02 | SynZ | error processing madwifi-tools_0.9.2+dfsg-1_i386.deb (--install); |
| 05:08.03 | Nyle | enouf: by all means carry on in #ddalton, if you need more assistance, let me know |
| 05:08.09 | enouf | Nyle: but there's a tad of newbness and pebkac invovlved as well - ddalton one second |
| 05:08.10 | ftp3 | after i modify the "interfaces" file, how do I manually make the changes take affect? |
| 05:08.11 | SynZ | subproces dpkg-deb ` madwifi-tools_0.9.2+dfsg-1_i386.deb is not a debian format |
| 05:08.19 | cycom_mac | ddalton: configure a static IP for a host? |
| 05:08.20 | amphi | this channel must make quite a din, in a screenreader :( |
| 05:08.43 | enouf | amphi: indeed |
| 05:08.48 | Nyle | ddalton: I was unaware of your condition, by all means carry on |
| 05:08.54 | cycom_mac | thus his channel |
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| 05:09.01 | icedtea | ftp3: ifdown <interface>; ifup <interface> |
| 05:09.06 | ddalton | ah ok sorry. I should have said why I was asking to speak on another channel... |
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| 05:09.24 | ftp3 | icedtea thanks! |
| 05:09.30 | Nyle | orangade! |
| 05:09.32 | icedtea | ftp3: np |
| 05:09.39 | Nyle | fruit punch, made from real oranges |
| 05:09.48 | Nyle | yay! vitamin C yay! |
| 05:09.51 | enouf | ddalton: don't worry about Nyle , he likes to be tased one in a while |
| 05:10.00 | SynZ | theres a problem with, madwifi-tools_0.9.2+dfsg-1_i386.deb |
| 05:10.08 | Nyle | enouf: I could hurt you if you want, just ask |
| 05:10.11 | Nyle | asshole :) |
| 05:10.17 | enouf | Nyle: :-P |
| 05:10.52 | Nyle | SynZ: can you pastebin the output of the console when you try to install this package? |
| 05:10.57 | enouf | we won't discuss reality Nyle - it's better that way for you ;-) |
| 05:10.58 | Nyle | SynZ: why are you installing this manually? |
| 05:11.32 | Nyle | SynZ: SynZ where did you get this pacakge? |
| 05:11.34 | Nyle | !madwifi |
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| 05:11.34 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net |
| 05:11.49 | Nyle | !madwifi-install |
| 05:11.49 | dpkg | methinks madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
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| 05:12.40 | penp | Nyle: because you're complaining about the current stable's support of amd64? the idea of stable isn't about new shit, its about being -stable-, as in, unchanging, save necessary security patches, so that servers can stay up for years without having to reinstall the OS just because a "new" stable came out |
| 05:13.02 | penp | when etch came out, amd64 just wasn't ready yet..and im sure it will be by next stable |
| 05:13.02 | Nyle | penp: and its not stable on my hardware, whereas lenny/sid are. |
| 05:13.09 | SynZ | http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/madwifi-tools/download |
| 05:13.10 | Nyle | penp: I thought we were past this... |
| 05:13.14 | penp | lol |
| 05:13.15 | penp | i dunno |
| 05:13.27 | Nyle | penp: did you even pay attention to anything I said |
| 05:13.36 | penp | not really, honestly |
| 05:13.40 | Nyle | penp: you are repeating what I said in different words |
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| 05:14.00 | penp | im working, i can't keep tabs on irc the whole time |
| 05:14.29 | Nyle | sounds like a personal problem to me. |
| 05:14.49 | penp | then so does your problems with etch :| |
| 05:14.58 | Nyle | I have none |
| 05:15.03 | Nyle | I don't use etch amd64 |
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| 05:16.08 | cycom_mac | Nyle: I'm using it in a VM |
| 05:16.19 | Nyle | one thing I'd mention though, at 3.5ghz etch amd64 on my core2 isn't stable, but it is at default 1.8ghz. lenny/sid/ubuntu amd64 are all stable at any speeds, from 1.8ghz to 3.5ghz |
| 05:16.20 | cycom_mac | Nyle: a core 2 duo |
| 05:16.29 | valdyn | sarge was the last release that didnt have amd64 officially. |
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| 05:17.43 | Nyle | its probably the high clock speed straining under an older etch amd64 you think? |
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| 05:18.01 | CompWizrd | so let us get this straight.. you're overclocking your hardware, and blaming instability on the OS? |
| 05:18.11 | Nyle | CompWizrd: I'm not blaming anything |
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| 05:18.27 | Nyle | I'm just waiting for lenny to go stable thats all |
| 05:19.07 | Nyle | I've been though this with donde few months ago |
| 05:19.11 | penp | is 3.5ghz overclocked or what? |
| 05:19.17 | CompWizrd | penp: yes |
| 05:19.19 | Nyle | yes goddamit |
| 05:19.30 | Nyle | its the cpus fault, sure, but why only under etch? |
| 05:19.42 | Nyle | thats what I'm trying to figure out still to this day |
| 05:20.11 | Nyle | oc is as much as I want under lenny/sid or ubuntu and even at 3.5ghz its stable like rock solid |
| 05:20.30 | Miesco | Is it okay to have sid repositories on lenny? |
| 05:20.31 | jetscreamer | can i be a sasquatch too? |
| 05:20.33 | Nyle | only under etch it really really craps out, I'm not _blaming_ anything, stop getting defensive |
| 05:20.42 | Nyle | I'm only wondering why in only etch it does that |
| 05:20.50 | Nyle | Miesco: no |
| 05:21.00 | Nyle | jetscreamer: sure |
| 05:21.05 | jetscreamer | because you didn't gentooify it |
| 05:21.16 | Nyle | jetscreamer: all you have to do, are 100 cock pushups |
| 05:21.24 | jetscreamer | no problem |
| 05:22.49 | Nyle | btw, one thing that annoyed me about it in the beginning was that he was announcing Bourie in Emin |
| 05:23.00 | Nyle | and then he goes off to play mozzart in the middle of it |
| 05:23.03 | Nyle | wtf? |
| 05:23.16 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 05:23.21 | Nyle | if you are a classical fan, that shit will annoy the piss outta you |
| 05:23.29 | jetscreamer | i never could understand exactly the name |
| 05:23.47 | penp | nyle: i'm not getting defensive, i just don't think stable is frozen with desktop users in mind who want to push the limits of their hardware |
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| 05:23.57 | jetscreamer | penp: no, it's not |
| 05:24.02 | Nyle | penp: man look |
| 05:24.20 | Nyle | I've been here for like over 7 years, and I've used debian for longer, I'm fully aware |
| 05:24.42 | jetscreamer | testing is best imo for desktop type ppl |
| 05:24.45 | jetscreamer | but ymmv |
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| 05:24.52 | Nyle | *sigh* |
| 05:24.55 | penp | :| |
| 05:24.57 | Nyle | ymmv? |
| 05:25.02 | Guerin | fgi |
| 05:25.03 | Nyle | I dno't speak acronym |
| 05:25.05 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 05:25.10 | Nyle | !ymm |
| 05:25.12 | Guerin | aka giyf |
| 05:25.12 | Nyle | !ymmv |
| 05:25.13 | dpkg | hmm... ymmv is an abbreviation of "Your mileage may vary." |
| 05:25.15 | jetscreamer | you should know the common ones |
| 05:25.16 | Nyle | oh |
| 05:25.20 | Nyle | I should? |
| 05:25.35 | jetscreamer | well it's like what color is the sky |
| 05:25.39 | jetscreamer | imo.. ymmv |
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| 05:25.45 | jetscreamer | "p |
| 05:25.46 | CompWizrd | i had to explain FUBAR to an ex-boss of mine |
| 05:25.47 | Nyle | what color is the sky |
| 05:25.48 | Nyle | ? |
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| 05:25.51 | jetscreamer | green |
| 05:25.57 | Nyle | its the same color as it is the color of sleep. |
| 05:26.02 | Nyle | what is the color of sleep? |
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| 05:26.06 | jetscreamer | red |
| 05:26.29 | jetscreamer | sleep is scary |
| 05:26.47 | Nyle | jetscreamer: psycroptic - the color of sleep |
| 05:27.17 | Nyle | http://www.lyricsmania.com/lyrics/psycroptic_lyrics_6951/the_scepter_of_the_ancients_lyrics_23573/the_color_of_sleep_lyrics_259979.html |
| 05:27.18 | jetscreamer | don't think so, not in r/l .. but, what IS reality |
| 05:27.31 | Nyle | jetscreamer: reality is a synthesis |
| 05:27.39 | Nyle | reality is synthesized by our senses |
| 05:28.06 | Nyle | by the neuroelectrical signals interpreted by our brain |
| 05:28.35 | Nyle | modiify the signals your senses send to your brain, and yo ucan alter reality |
| 05:28.38 | jetscreamer | let the rock off begin |
| 05:28.42 | Nyle | either by going into the matrix |
| 05:28.43 | Nyle | OR |
| 05:28.48 | Nyle | by dropping acid or shrooms |
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| 05:29.20 | cycom_mac | oh dear god. we've gone form amd64 and overclocking to tripping on shrooms. |
| 05:29.35 | Nyle | I just got this sack of sweet nugz |
| 05:30.18 | jetscreamer | he's very eclectic |
| 05:30.26 | Nyle | you have no idea. |
| 05:30.31 | jetscreamer | or do i |
| 05:31.00 | stoned | ahhh boy |
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| 05:31.10 | stoned | been a while, been a while |
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| 05:31.31 | stoned | brb |
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| 05:31.58 | jetscreamer | you can't kill the metal |
| 05:32.12 | Nyle | the demon code prevents me |
| 05:32.20 | Nyle | from declining a rock off challenge |
| 05:32.26 | Nyle | what are your terms, whats the caaaattch |
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| 05:32.54 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 05:32.54 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 05:33.01 | jetscreamer | !test Nyle |
| 05:33.01 | dpkg | Testing Nyle... *****$$#$ |
| 05:33.11 | penp | haha |
| 05:33.21 | iateadonut | does anyone ever have an idea when the next stable release of debian comes out? |
| 05:33.21 | Nyle | I'm not done yet |
| 05:33.36 | jetscreamer | we swear it will be before xmas 2010 iateadonut |
| 05:33.39 | Nyle | iateadonut: maybe 1.5 to 2 years |
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| 05:33.55 | Ryan52 | so we have a repository that I didn't set up and know nothing about. We have 2 distributions, freegeek and freegeek-test. I added a new package to freegeek-test, then I wanted to pull it into freegeek. I ran reprepro checkpull, but it showed my package and somebody elses. If I do reprepro pull it will pull in the other package too which I don't want it to do. I just want to pull in my package. Somebody wrote down to do "reprepro pull my_package" but it |
| 05:34.11 | Nyle | sarge took the longest, but usually about one and a half to 2 years |
| 05:34.14 | jetscreamer | repro pull? |
| 05:34.25 | Ryan52 | but that will pull in all packages |
| 05:34.31 | Ryan52 | I only want 1 to be pulled in |
| 05:34.40 | jetscreamer | no i was just wondering wtf that was |
| 05:34.45 | jetscreamer | never heard of it |
| 05:34.56 | Ryan52 | oh...reprepro |
| 05:35.02 | Ryan52 | makes apt repositories |
| 05:35.15 | Guerin | Ryan52: this is a bit more arcane than hashdweebian normally deals with. You might also try #debian and #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 05:35.17 | Nyle | rep rep ro! |
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| 05:35.53 | jetscreamer | damn i feel insulted now |
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| 05:36.02 | Nyle | I have no self respect |
| 05:36.02 | iateadonut | sarge? |
| 05:36.07 | Nyle | I am NEVER insulted |
| 05:36.10 | iateadonut | what's sarge? what's etch? |
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| 05:36.13 | jetscreamer | oldstable |
| 05:36.17 | iateadonut | (i'm running etch, it think) |
| 05:36.19 | Nyle | !release |
| 05:36.19 | dpkg | i guess release is Etch has been released (2007-04-08). Etch is Debian 4.0, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <sarge->etch>, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/ for the latest (and historical) releases. |
| 05:36.21 | jetscreamer | stable |
| 05:36.24 | Guerin | iateadonut: /msg dpkg releases |
| 05:36.27 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:36.34 | Nyle | tokens |
| 05:36.39 | Nyle | lots of tokens, for the arcade games |
| 05:36.40 | iateadonut | ah. and etch is the newest release from dec 27 or something? |
| 05:36.40 | Guerin | !sing sarge |
| 05:36.41 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 05:36.41 | jetscreamer | 1finger |
| 05:36.56 | Nyle | what? |
| 05:37.02 | Nyle | 8th april 07 |
| 05:37.04 | jetscreamer | 1fingertyping |
| 05:37.08 | Nyle | how you get dec 27? |
| 05:37.52 | iateadonut | jetscreamer, you're a developer for debain? |
| 05:38.01 | iateadonut | there was some security release or something. |
| 05:38.07 | jetscreamer | uh no |
| 05:38.13 | jetscreamer | i'm highly unqualified |
| 05:38.21 | iateadonut | 4.0r2 |
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| 05:38.50 | jetscreamer | maybe i should run for debian overgod |
| 05:38.54 | iateadonut | The latest stable release of Debian is 4.0. The last update to this release was made on December 26th, 2007. - from debian.org |
| 05:38.56 | Nyle | I love compiz-fusion |
| 05:38.57 | iateadonut | the front page. |
| 05:39.05 | Guerin | !win iateadonut |
| 05:39.05 | dpkg | Congratulations, iateadonut! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 05:39.19 | Guerin | !lose Nyle |
| 05:39.19 | dpkg | Nyle: You Lose. |
| 05:39.29 | iateadonut | SECOND prize? |
| 05:39.30 | jetscreamer | !elect jetscreamer |
| 05:39.33 | jetscreamer | damn |
| 05:39.46 | jetscreamer | iateadonut: you never played monopoly? |
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| 05:39.53 | iateadonut | ah. |
| 05:39.57 | Nyle | Guerin: I also love shred metal and rap music. |
| 05:40.06 | iateadonut | yes, $50, right? enough to buy a house. |
| 05:40.06 | jetscreamer | !shred nyle |
| 05:40.36 | jetscreamer | !rap nyle |
| 05:40.39 | jetscreamer | dang |
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| 05:41.22 | Guerin | iateadonut: it's $10 in the original version, not enough for any damned thing. But thanks for playing. |
| 05:41.22 | Nyle | dang? |
| 05:41.28 | Nyle | dude |
| 05:41.34 | Nyle | just fucking say DAMN |
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| 05:41.46 | Nyle | what are you larry the cable guy now |
| 05:41.53 | Nyle | git er dun |
| 05:42.06 | JordiGH | iwlwifi working \o/ |
| 05:42.21 | JordiGH | If I get sound working tonight, I'll be happy. |
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| 05:43.16 | iateadonut | you're welcome. |
| 05:43.18 | iateadonut | have a good day. |
| 05:43.18 | JordiGH | Hrm. "no mixer elements found" |
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| 05:43.23 | JordiGH | From alsamixergui |
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| 05:44.03 | jetscreamer | i chose to use dang |
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| 05:44.11 | jamesstilwell3rd | anyone here have any experience with openmosix packages for sarge? |
| 05:44.32 | jetscreamer | you should hear my wife complain about my cursing though |
| 05:44.47 | JordiGH | I probably just need to install a package.... Maybe I should have gone with the desktop tasksel job after all. :-/ |
| 05:45.01 | JordiGH | Is there a package that does the same as the desktop tasksel? |
| 05:45.15 | jetscreamer | heh you should have heard me cussin out the stupid taxi driver that decided to take a uturn from the right hand lane tonight |
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| 05:45.34 | jetscreamer | tasksel sucks |
| 05:45.43 | liable | JordiGH: unliely that would help. but you can run tasksel still |
| 05:45.46 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 05:45.49 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 05:46.02 | JordiGH | liable: Yeah, it's downloading gnome. :-/ |
| 05:46.15 | jetscreamer | and other bloat |
| 05:46.28 | enouf | gnome-desktop? |
| 05:46.45 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 05:46.45 | dpkg | it has been said that dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/dselect-beginner/ Also ask me about <aptitude>. see ... |
| 05:46.47 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 05:47.18 | JordiGH | But I don't know what I want! |
| 05:47.32 | jetscreamer | hence package managers |
| 05:47.36 | JordiGH | Well, I want sound, but I don't know what I need to install to get that working. |
| 05:47.38 | jetscreamer | use aptitude |
| 05:47.41 | enouf | JordiGH: for sound? |
| 05:47.49 | jetscreamer | ah you need to check stuff, not install stuff |
| 05:48.08 | liable | !alsa checklist |
| 05:48.08 | dpkg | i heard alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 05:48.39 | jetscreamer | lspci |grep -i audio |
| 05:48.49 | Nyle | also check to see if your speakers are plugged in, forgot tht one |
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| 05:48.50 | enouf | http://pastebin.ca/raw/885881 |
| 05:48.56 | enouf | JordiGH: ^^^^^^^ |
| 05:49.04 | JordiGH | Right, don't have alsaconf. |
| 05:49.32 | enouf | what? nub00b00? wtf? |
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| 05:50.00 | enouf | !which driver |
| 05:50.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 05:51.08 | enouf | and if all fails, run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base, and tell kcontrol to feck off |
| 05:51.13 | dc3deb | I have a file on my ext3 (/etc/network/run/ifstate) which comes up with an i/o error when attempting to read, which is causing obvious networking problems.. should i run fsck? it wants to be on an unmounted drive, how can I mark the volume dirty so it checks on next boot? thx |
| 05:51.45 | jetscreamer | dc3deb: touch /forcefsck or shutdown -Fr now |
| 05:51.49 | enouf | that file is live |
| 05:52.09 | enouf | you're doing something very wrong |
| 05:52.19 | dc3deb | enouf: me? |
| 05:52.23 | enouf | yes |
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| 05:52.40 | dc3deb | its screwed, when i boot networking is dead theres a bunch of errors from the kernel saying it cant be read |
| 05:52.51 | dc3deb | i ls the dir and it shows ????? in read where the permissions normally are |
| 05:53.14 | dc3deb | after activating eth0, i cant even ping localhost unless I manually bring it up also |
| 05:53.23 | dc3deb | read = red, sorry |
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| 05:53.40 | dc3deb | i open the file and try to save it and it says input/output error in nano |
| 05:53.58 | enouf | that file won't be populated at early boot, until net comes up |
| 05:53.59 | dc3deb | and when i type updatedb it shows 15 or so lines saying cannot read file /etc/network/run/ifstate |
| 05:54.03 | JordiGH | Hrm. I don't have a /dev/dsp |
| 05:54.14 | enouf | but try what jetscreamer suggested, if / |
| 05:54.21 | dc3deb | enouf: ,so it must be something else? |
| 05:54.24 | enouf | jetscreamer: you don't need it, but i have it |
| 05:54.28 | enouf | gah |
| 05:54.34 | enouf | JordiGH: you don't need it, but i have it |
| 05:54.41 | enouf | JordiGH: alsa uses /dev/snd |
| 05:54.51 | liable | JordiGH: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 05:54.58 | enouf | JordiGH: man aplay, man speaker-test |
| 05:55.33 | enouf | some examples; aplay filename.wav ; speaker-test -tsine -f440 |
| 05:56.10 | JordiGH | alsamixer says "no mixer elements". :-( |
| 05:56.14 | enouf | liable: and JordiGH snd_mixer_oss pulls in the pcm one |
| 05:56.26 | enouf | dependencies, ftw |
| 05:56.36 | enouf | run alsaconf |
| 05:56.44 | enouf | kill KDE dead :-p |
| 05:57.57 | enouf | here' the perms on that file Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
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| 05:58.02 | enouf | !customer |
| 05:58.02 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 05:59.10 | Nyle | i dunno if its just me but i could seriously just live off of soy sauce and white rice |
| 05:59.31 | Nyle | and a pair of chopsticks, this garlic chicken i ordered has so many weird vegetables i can't even eat it man |
| 05:59.35 | Nyle | :( |
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| 05:59.45 | Nyle | the garlic chicken from this other chinese place, its wicked |
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| 06:06.25 | dc3deb | well.. thanks marking the volume dirty worked.. as it claimed an inode problem with the file ifstate and it deleted the file.. everything worked! more importantly a large project I was working on that communicated over localhost/IVY is now working |
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| 06:25.23 | jetscreamer | yay me |
| 06:26.24 | dc3 | ;p |
| 06:27.29 | dc3 | for the last 3 days ive been tearing my hair out with an opensource project im participating in.. two of our modules communicate by broadcasting UDP packets via localhost.. and when it stopped working i tweaked/compiled for hours on end trying to figure out what went wrong.. |
| 06:28.02 | dc3 | got to figure out why it corrupted now ;p |
| 06:28.10 | \amethyst | dc3: does localhost look up as an ipv4 address or ipv6? |
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| 06:28.36 | dc3 | \amethyst, ive already fixed the problem, it was a problem we fixed a page ago or so ;p |
| 06:28.41 | dc3 | was thanking jetscreamer |
| 06:28.44 | dc3 | sorry |
| 06:28.57 | Nyle | hmm |
| 06:28.59 | \amethyst | dc3: oh, sorry |
| 06:29.05 | Nyle | before I had my chicken I believe |
| 06:29.08 | Nyle | word |
| 06:29.33 | dc3 | \amethyst, my fault really.. im using my other account (different nickname) and i started babbling again |
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| 06:33.06 | peteryang | hello, what is the max user space for 32 bits linux? if i have 8G RAM, how to take advantage of the RAM? |
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| 06:37.04 | Pryon | With PAE extensions in the kernel, you can get 3 GB (possibly more, but certainly no more than 4GB and usually less) per process |
| 06:38.04 | ddalton | enouf: still here? I have modified my network file I just want to make sure your happy with output of ifconfig... |
| 06:38.27 | enouf | ddalton: ok, i'll join your channel again, one second |
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| 06:40.42 | jetscreamer | 4 |
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| 07:03.43 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:04.09 | liable | talk dammit! |
| 07:04.23 | liable | dpkg: wake up |
| 07:04.24 | dpkg | liable: I'm already awake! :) |
| 07:04.28 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:04.29 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> A girl has invited me to learn it with her, from a video, in her bedroom :) |
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| 07:12.17 | metaperl | which of these would be my wireless ethernet device - http://paste.debian.net/48106 |
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| 07:13.44 | seon | i have a ssh tunnel between a client and my debian server |
| 07:14.05 | seon | i use ssh-agent on my client |
| 07:14.18 | seon | and all the time i have a password prompt |
| 07:14.22 | liable | metaperl: it doesn't look you have one, unless you dont have ethernet |
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| 07:14.47 | metaperl | I have a wireless ethernet card in this toshiba satellite liable |
| 07:15.18 | liable | metaperl: do you have a wired ethernet card in it? |
| 07:15.44 | seon | i can connect without ssh-agent but with the ssh-agent i need to give a password strange |
| 07:15.50 | seon | why? |
| 07:16.21 | metaperl | liable: i have both wired and wireless --- please note the ifconfig output - http://paste.debian.net/48107 |
| 07:16.29 | streuner__ | metaperl: what model? |
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| 07:16.51 | metaperl | streuner__: what command would Irun to find out? |
| 07:16.58 | cLaiRee | anybody can help????????? bacula-web give me Error query: 4 |
| 07:17.00 | metaperl | iwlist? |
| 07:17.19 | streuner__ | metalper: just look at the manual |
| 07:17.44 | streuner__ | well, my Toshiba L-40 uses atheros |
| 07:18.43 | metaperl | I dont have the manual... there must be a way with Debian to do this |
| 07:18.55 | metaperl | lspci output is below the ifconfig output |
| 07:19.01 | liable | metaperl: eth0 and eth1 are the same card, strange that there isnt an entry for your wireless in lspci. i havent seen that before. |
| 07:19.11 | liable | metaperl: its a built in mini-pci card? |
| 07:19.53 | metaperl | liable: it is integrated wireless 802.11b |
| 07:19.56 | metaperl | 3 years old machine |
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| 07:20.28 | liable | odd |
| 07:20.56 | streuner__ | maybe the device is broken... |
| 07:21.07 | metaperl | perhaps.... |
| 07:21.17 | metaperl | it was said to be busy by wlassistant |
| 07:21.21 | liable | if thats the case, whats eth2? |
| 07:21.34 | metaperl | yes, ifconfig would not show anything in that case |
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| 07:21.56 | metaperl | wajig dependants wireless-tools should have soemthing which identifies my wireless card |
| 07:22.53 | hark | metaperl: run: basename `readlink /sys/class/net/eth2/device/driver/module` |
| 07:23.02 | streuner__ | if lspci cannot find a device, usually ifconfig arent able to set it up then |
| 07:23.26 | hark | what does iwconfig say? |
| 07:23.32 | metaperl | hark thanks - it is orinoco_cs |
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| 07:23.51 | streuner__ | .oO (that make sense) |
| 07:24.17 | hark | pcmcia |
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| 07:24.48 | streuner__ | you should mention that little fact |
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| 07:24.56 | metaperl | iwconfig and readmodule output listed here - http://paste.debian.net/48108 |
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| 07:25.44 | liable | even cardbus should show on lspci output |
| 07:27.09 | metaperl | well now what |
| 07:27.59 | metaperl | how can I get wireless to work? I am using 64 bit encrypted WEP but a webpage said that linux only did 40 and 128 bit |
| 07:28.14 | streuner__ | WEP ? haha |
| 07:28.21 | metaperl | yes, I know, insecure |
| 07:28.25 | metaperl | but good enough for here |
| 07:28.52 | streuner__ | if you using that or not, its useless |
| 07:28.59 | metaperl | I set my netgear router for b and g instead of auto |
| 07:29.33 | metaperl | streuner__ - well it just defeats the people who want to hijack without knowing the password |
| 07:29.49 | metaperl | which is fine for my small town |
| 07:29.55 | wols_ | metaperl: then use mac filtering and save yoursself the WEP hassle |
| 07:30.09 | metaperl | I cant - I use the router just the way it is to access my work vpn |
| 07:30.12 | wols_ | as for b and g: g only if at all possible |
| 07:30.21 | metaperl | this is a 3-year old machine |
| 07:30.25 | metaperl | I thnk it is b only |
| 07:30.32 | metaperl | it worked wireless 3 years ago |
| 07:30.33 | wols_ | your WLAN encyption has NOTHING to do with work VPN |
| 07:31.01 | metaperl | ok, but my work machine is an xp machine and it is setup to connect to the netgear router using WEP and I dont want to change all that |
| 07:31.15 | metaperl | so I just need my Debian machine to connect to the WEP netgear router as well |
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| 07:31.41 | ddalton | enouf: still here? sorry. I just have one more question... |
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| 07:32.28 | enouf | ddalton: ok, we go to your channel |
| 07:32.30 | liable | mac filtering is even more useless than wep |
| 07:32.55 | enouf | and next time i kick you when you flood like that :-P |
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| 07:35.48 | liable | metaperl: for a bit of background on 40 vs 64 bit wep .. http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3556296 |
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| 07:36.49 | harpal | liable: I have some problem in modules so what should i do ? means how to reinstall my current running kernel? |
| 07:37.19 | liable | harpal: can you elaborate a bit? |
| 07:37.45 | harpal | liable: That yesterday problem sounddriver |
| 07:38.03 | harpal | its nto loading sound driver snd-hds-intel |
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| 07:38.33 | liable | harpal: ok, and do you actually have that module now? |
| 07:38.52 | harpal | because earlier it has removed by one program. so I have just copied that modules from my another running machine |
| 07:39.15 | harpal | I have modules but its not loading showing me error. |
| 07:39.30 | liable | harpal: do you have an old kernel still installed? |
| 07:39.59 | harpal | I have just only one kernel installed 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 07:40.12 | liable | harpal: what program removed the module? a modem driver or something? |
| 07:40.56 | liable | harpal: delete that module that you copied over, and reinstall your kernel image |
| 07:41.02 | harpal | liable: My sound is not working so I have just downloaded driver from realtek and than try to install it. it has removed my all driver |
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| 07:41.48 | harpal | ok, so how to reinstall it. aptitude reinstall kernel-image-2.6.18-4-686 ? |
| 07:41.55 | liable | ya |
| 07:42.07 | liable | then reboot |
| 07:42.22 | harpal | ok but does it affect my running system? |
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| 07:42.54 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:43.17 | liable | a reinstall shouldn't iirc, if you tried to remove the kernel it would of course give a big fat warning |
| 07:43.50 | harpal | ok |
| 07:44.56 | harpal | Hey it has just reinstalled it now I am rebooting |
| 07:44.58 | harpal | brb |
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| 07:48.33 | harpal | Hey liable, I have now alsamixer perfectly running. but still I am not getting voice? |
| 07:48.54 | liable | !alsa checklist |
| 07:48.54 | dpkg | i heard alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 07:49.03 | liable | harpal: do all of that stuff |
| 07:49.17 | liable | harpal: which sound module is loaded? |
| 07:49.34 | liable | harpal: dont run alsaconf if snd-hda-intel is loaded |
| 07:50.08 | harpal | liable: snd-hda-intel is loaded |
| 07:50.46 | liable | harpal: ok, run through that factoid from 2 |
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| 07:52.14 | harpal | liable: I have user added in audio group from /etc/group file I see audio:x:29:harpal |
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| 07:53.09 | liable | ok |
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| 07:54.38 | metaperl | I disabled eth1 via the Network Tools app, but now I cannot re-enable it... perhaps I can do so via command line? |
| 07:54.41 | harpal | liable: which oss module unloas? |
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| 07:55.21 | liable | harpal: i dont think there are even oss modules for that card. paste your lsmod for me though, and we'll have a quick look |
| 07:55.28 | harpal | ok |
| 07:57.06 | harpal | liable: here it is http://pastebin.ca/885939 |
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| 07:57.52 | liable | harpal: looks ok |
| 07:58.06 | liable | metaperl: ifconfig eth1 up |
| 07:58.12 | metaperl | yes |
| 07:58.35 | harpal | so I have to unload module snd-pcm-oss? and than reload it? |
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| 07:59.04 | liable | harpal: nope, move to next thing |
| 07:59.22 | harpal | ok |
| 08:01.28 | harpal | liable: cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp takes long time? |
| 08:01.41 | liable | you should get sound instantly |
| 08:01.50 | liable | is it just sitting there? |
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| 08:02.00 | liable | hit ^c |
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| 08:02.41 | liable | harpal: i forget, is this a laptop? |
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| 08:03.36 | harpal | liable: no This is my desktop machine. Just taken around 2 week before. Coro2Duo |
| 08:04.21 | liable | harpal: ok, and you are absolutely positive that the speakers and mobo sound bits are hooked up? |
| 08:04.43 | harpal | yes this works on windows on this machine |
| 08:05.08 | liable | harpal: ok, if the cat command ran, but sound didn't come out, thats usually the problem. |
| 08:05.12 | harpal | If I remove this headphone than I have builtin speaker |
| 08:05.32 | harpal | but in that still no sound |
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| 08:06.22 | liable | harpal: recheck your alsamixer settings, make sure they arent muted. ie, the level may be up, but it may be muted, if it has MM at the bottom its muted |
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| 08:07.08 | liable | harpal: turn up every thing that you can access, and make sure its unmuted |
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| 08:07.33 | harpal | hey how to unmute, because in some file it shows me MM and in some it shows me 00 |
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| 08:07.49 | liable | with the < and > keys |
| 08:08.28 | harpal | liable: but with < and > key its switching with other options |
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| 08:08.46 | simonrvn | m |
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| 08:09.15 | simonrvn | harpal: m |
| 08:09.18 | liable | harpal: some of them, have two channels, some have one, so some will just need to use one <> key, others will need both. play with it and you'll see |
| 08:09.20 | harpal | ok |
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| 08:09.50 | liable | oh, heh, i didnt know the m bit ;) |
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| 08:10.37 | simonrvn | f1 f2 m <> or arrows, buncha stuff |
| 08:10.54 | simonrvn | f3 f4 f5 change stuff |
| 08:11.35 | liable | first thing i found out was <>, being a creature of habit stuck with what worked, didn't look further.. |
| 08:11.55 | harpal | Hey still no luck? |
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| 08:12.37 | liable | harpal: they all have 00 at the bottom now? |
| 08:12.37 | harpal | yes in all I have done |
| 08:12.49 | liable | harpal: and 'cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp' makes no sound? |
| 08:13.06 | harpal | That I havent tried let me try that |
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| 08:14.38 | liable | hit ^c |
| 08:15.06 | liable | time for a smoke and think, brb |
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| 08:15.54 | harpal | ok |
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| 08:20.26 | liable | harpal: what desktop are you using |
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| 08:20.51 | Piet | hi. i have a package half installed in an inconsistent state. "I wasn't able to locate file for the util-vserver package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package." -> http://pastebin.com/d63372e99 |
| 08:21.01 | Piet | what can i do to fix it? |
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| 08:21.10 | harpal | I have gnome |
| 08:21.20 | liable | harpal: ps uax|grep esd |
| 08:21.28 | liable | harpal: is it running? |
| 08:21.41 | harpal | no |
| 08:22.09 | liable | harpal: what output did you get? just the grep line? |
| 08:22.31 | harpal | yes |
| 08:22.41 | harpal | root 4673 0.0 0.0 2852 716 pts/1 S+ 13:50 0:00 grep esd |
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| 08:23.22 | liable | Piet: do you have synaptic also running or some other aptitude window open? |
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| 08:24.34 | Piet | liable: got it solved already, thanks. but no, i hadn't, and the error message would have been different if so. |
| 08:25.13 | Piet | nevertheless i really appreciate your help :) |
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| 08:28.12 | liable | harpal: nfi atm, but hang around. |
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| 08:29.07 | harpal | It has loaded module but why it not playing sould I dont understand that |
| 08:29.19 | jekil | i need a list of all debian default usernames that be setted in /etc/passwd, there is one? |
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| 08:30.35 | liable | harpal: whats the mobo? |
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| 08:32.02 | harpal | mobo? |
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| 08:32.26 | liable | motherboard |
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| 08:32.43 | sridhar | hi evereybody, i have installed etch in my laptop lenovo, the problem, is iam not getting any sound. |
| 08:32.49 | sridhar | ? |
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| 08:33.35 | harpal | liable: how to check that onlinux machine? |
| 08:33.37 | amol1 | hi to all..#udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sda | grep DRIVER this command showing two different driver are used by sda how it comes? |
| 08:33.45 | streuner__ | sridhar: GNOME? |
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| 08:34.43 | harpal | liable: I think Intel Corporation 946GZ/PL/GL |
| 08:34.56 | liable | harpal: dmidecode |
| 08:35.10 | sridhar | streuner_: gnome 2.18 |
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| 08:35.33 | Miesco | Whats your opinions on Ubuntu? |
| 08:35.42 | streuner__ | sridhar: did that work before? |
| 08:35.47 | streuner__ | Miesco: OT |
| 08:35.50 | sridhar | amol: what are all the two drivers |
| 08:35.52 | sridhar | ? |
| 08:36.00 | Miesco | streuner__: OT? |
| 08:36.03 | sridhar | no |
| 08:36.13 | streuner__ | Miesco: /topic and read that |
| 08:36.17 | sridhar | but it is working in windows |
| 08:36.29 | liable | Miesco: we can give you opnions on debian, for ubuntu, go to #ubuntu |
| 08:36.30 | streuner__ | sridhar: cat /proc/version |
| 08:36.44 | streuner__ | !start a distro war |
| 08:36.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, start a distro war is Debian Rulz |
| 08:37.06 | sridhar | Linux version 2.6.21-1-486 (2.6.21-4) (root@debian) (gcc version 4.1.3 20070528 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-10)) #1 Mon Aug 6 11:07:26 IST 2007 |
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| 08:37.32 | streuner__ | oh, selfcompiled kernel, just use an official kernel :-) |
| 08:37.42 | Miesco | I know its not ubuntu, but i've grown to look up to you guys and respect all your opinions, I dont know anyone in Ubuntu, they will probably say its great because they all have it |
| 08:37.44 | harpal | liable: Iwill be back in few minutes. Lunch time |
| 08:37.50 | jekil | i need a list of all debian default usernames that be setted in /etc/passwd, there is one? |
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| 08:38.24 | Miesco | So cmon, tell me, whats you debian users opinion on Ubuntu |
| 08:38.25 | liable | harpal: np |
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| 08:38.40 | liable | Miesco: we dont care |
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| 08:39.18 | tralala | Miesco, my opinion is that debian is better. Satisfied? |
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| 08:39.50 | liable | !why debian |
| 08:39.50 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 08:40.36 | rmrfchik | how to rebuild package optimized for i686? |
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| 08:41.38 | tralala | rmrfchik, which package? |
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| 08:41.54 | sridhar | streuner: this kernel is working fine on some other machines. |
| 08:42.02 | rmrfchik | tralala: iceweasel |
| 08:42.05 | tralala | not every package would benefit significantly from i686 |
| 08:42.14 | tralala | rmrfchik, don't bother |
| 08:42.39 | rmrfchik | tralala: this is not I want to hear ;) |
| 08:42.52 | rmrfchik | tralala: I want to know the way. |
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| 08:42.56 | Erik1 | i did something stupid I think: I messed up the X-server and stuff like mouse recognition...The screen stays blak after boot. I can get a command line and access teh system, but no Gnome... Can I reinstalll the X part of the system or do I need to reinstall etch ? |
| 08:43.15 | tralala | rmrfchik, get the source, tweak the debian/rules, build |
| 08:43.19 | liable | !drxx Erik1 |
| 08:43.19 | dpkg | Erik1: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 08:43.48 | Miesco | How active is debian, is it a long time before distro releases? |
| 08:43.51 | tralala | Erik1, you don't need to reinstall anything. Did you use nvidia or fglrx propriarity drivers? |
| 08:44.05 | rmrfchik | tralala: hmm, afar, there is a system global variable for this. do u remeber? |
| 08:44.05 | liable | Erik1: if you decide to edit your xorg.conf by hand, make sure you back it up first |
| 08:44.06 | tralala | Miesco, aproximatly 18 months |
| 08:44.13 | Erik1 | nvidia stuff did not work after an update |
| 08:44.35 | liable | Erik1: using vesa should at least get you x back |
| 08:44.39 | Miesco | Okay |
| 08:44.56 | tralala | rmrfchik, I've never done this. I suppose you'll discover it somewhere in the manuals of the debian build tools |
| 08:45.06 | rmrfchik | ok, thanks |
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| 08:45.29 | tralala | Erik1, after an update? Are you running testing/unstable? |
| 08:45.49 | Erik1 | tralala no ? |
| 08:46.01 | tralala | what update then? Kernel security? |
| 08:46.19 | Erik1 | tralala: etch does it autom. |
| 08:46.20 | streuner__ | sridhar: sound in Debian is usually painless, if you using an official kernel and the hardware is supported |
| 08:46.39 | tralala | Erik1, you probably need to rebuild nvidia for the new kernel |
| 08:47.20 | Erik1 | tralala.. NVIDIA suggests that when installing their stuff |
| 08:47.32 | streuner__ | sridhar: in these cases, just make sure no sound-daemon is running (blocking) ALSA |
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| 08:47.46 | tralala | Erik1, do you use the nvidia installer? |
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| 08:47.57 | Erik1 | tralala: i suppose I only should have done that, and nothing else... |
| 08:48.12 | tralala | Erik1, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 08:48.20 | Erik1 | tralala: I do. but besides that, I messed up some X stuff |
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| 08:48.48 | tralala | unmess the stuff |
| 08:49.11 | sridhar | streuner_: how to check that there is no sound daemon is running? |
| 08:49.14 | Erik1 | tralala: that was my orig. question... |
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| 08:50.34 | tralala | Erik1, it was answered. |
| 08:51.28 | streuner__ | sridhar: in GNOME? check "ps aux | grep esd" |
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| 08:53.08 | sridhar | root 5201 0.0 0.2 2580 588 ? S 18:15 0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps |
| 08:53.08 | sridhar | root 9301 0.0 0.2 2008 640 pts/2 S+ 19:53 0:00 grep esd |
| 08:53.39 | streuner__ | well, just disable sound-daemon in gnome-control-center then |
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| 08:57.37 | sridhar | i went to gnome-control-center, but i dont know how to disable |
| 08:57.49 | streuner__ | look harder |
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| 08:58.29 | Nyle | !ldap |
| 08:58.29 | dpkg | well, ldap is TYPE /join #LDAP NOW! or a Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, see http://www.openldap.org for more information. a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. It is a lightweight version of the X.500 protocol. http://howto.aphroland.org/, or openldap's server is available in the slapd package |
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| 08:59.37 | gynterk | where can I check what resolution my laptop can handle ? |
| 08:59.39 | harpal | liable: still therer? i am back |
| 09:00.05 | liable | harpal: ya, i haven't had a brainwave since you left though. |
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| 09:00.57 | harpal | I have done dmidecode but which section tells me about mothorboard? |
| 09:01.19 | Miesco | Fuck I got banned from #Ubuntu |
| 09:01.22 | liable | harpal: should be not far from the top. paste the whole lot if your unsure |
| 09:01.34 | Miesco | Like im going to install it now |
| 09:01.38 | harpal | ok |
| 09:02.05 | gynterk | hmm |
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| 09:02.11 | gynterk | i just realized that I don't use xorg |
| 09:02.12 | gynterk | sad |
| 09:02.20 | Miesco | gtg, cya geeks |
| 09:02.40 | harpal | liable: Is that baseboard? |
| 09:02.59 | harpal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:03.17 | noige | hey anyone here ever used opsware? |
| 09:03.43 | liable | harpal: paste it |
| 09:03.48 | harpal | ok |
| 09:04.19 | Maulkin | harpal: model? |
| 09:04.48 | sridhar | streuner__: i disabled that one, still problem persists |
| 09:05.03 | harpal | liable: here it is http://pastebin.ca/885978 |
| 09:05.53 | harpal | Maulkin: which model? lenovo model? I dont know more about that |
| 09:06.43 | liable | thinkcentre a55 |
| 09:06.48 | Maulkin | harpal: you have a thinkcentre a55 |
| 09:06.59 | Maulkin | It looks like your max resolution is 1024x768 |
| 09:07.10 | harpal | yes |
| 09:08.26 | harpal | hay liable have you seen sound in that dmidecode information? |
| 09:08.48 | harpal | see it it says |
| 09:08.49 | harpal | Type: Sound |
| 09:08.49 | harpal | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.49 | harpal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:08.53 | Andjeo | anyone have a idea how to test processor performance ? i thought of using dnetc |
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| 09:09.13 | liable | harpal: does your keyboard have sound mute buttons? |
| 09:09.20 | harpal | Is that means that its disable from bios? |
| 09:09.24 | harpal | no |
| 09:09.55 | liable | harpal: if it was disabled in bios, usually the kernel shouldnt see it at all |
| 09:10.19 | liable | harpal: cant hurt to check, though you said it works in windows? |
| 09:10.20 | jetscreamer | liable: can't tell.. i disable stuff in bios and linux turns it on anyway |
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| 09:10.49 | MecSympaTiK | http://www.math-linux.com site dedicated to mathematics and Linux |
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| 09:11.05 | jetscreamer | MecSympaTiK: #math .. feel lowly |
| 09:11.14 | liable | jetscreamer: oh, the only stuff that i have disabled, usually makes the os not see it at all, but it could well be the case i guess |
| 09:11.46 | jetscreamer | must be a bot |
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| 09:13.14 | harpal | ya let me check. it agaqin |
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| 09:14.08 | jetscreamer | but, not all things get enabled ... hd's did, sound/modem didn't |
| 09:14.27 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys, I have a large amount of data, spread across 4 hard drives. I want a way to make it seamless. I've heard of unionfs, but then I'd have to reformat my ext3 partitions... does anyone know if ext3 has any features that make it act like unionfs? |
| 09:14.36 | jetscreamer | !lvm |
| 09:14.36 | dpkg | i guess lvm is at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 09:15.11 | jetscreamer | apic did |
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| 09:15.43 | jetscreamer | hell i didn't even have a setting in bios for apic with the stock bios |
| 09:15.51 | jetscreamer | linux still turned it on :) |
| 09:16.15 | harpal | liable: its working on windows machine I am sure. now hwo to enable it? |
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| 09:16.30 | harpal | so that we can see status=enable in dmidecode? |
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| 09:16.52 | jetscreamer | it's the esc key when you're booting, on my thinkpad (t20) at least |
| 09:16.59 | jetscreamer | iirc it's esc |
| 09:17.03 | liable | harpal: dmidecode does read bios data, so go into bios and check to make sure its enabled |
| 09:17.21 | jetscreamer | f1 |
| 09:17.26 | jetscreamer | f12 for the bbs popup |
| 09:17.45 | harpal | liable: ok let me check again, and be back |
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| 09:23.50 | harpal | hey liable I gone to devices and audio setup. In that I have Audio support enable |
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| 09:24.52 | Ububegin | i installed like this ... [sudo dpkg -i package_file.deb] ... however to uninstall i haf to do this [sudo dpkg -r package_name ] May I know what is the package_name ... tks |
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| 09:25.31 | sridhar | harpal: i also had the lenovo, iam not getting the sound |
| 09:26.08 | harpal | Ububegin: just do sudo dpkg -r package_file |
| 09:26.57 | harpal | sridhar: I have same problem, and not sure why its not working |
| 09:27.32 | harpal | in my dmidecode output I have some audio status is disable |
| 09:27.40 | harpal | but in bios its enable |
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| 09:28.08 | Acidic32 | hi |
| 09:28.13 | harpal | so there may be other thing in which it has disable it. now have to check that how to enable it |
| 09:28.22 | Ububegin | harpal : got this error,bro... dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in |
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| 09:29.48 | sri_j | hi |
| 09:30.21 | sri_j | sridhar known as sri_j |
| 09:31.09 | sri_j | harpal: what is the other thing to enable it |
| 09:31.11 | harpal | Ububegin: Than you have to find package name from .deb I dont know that |
| 09:31.28 | harpal | sri_j: That I dont know so I am asking here |
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| 09:31.57 | harpal | earlier I couldnt know that its disable after some help from liable we discover that its disable |
| 09:31.58 | Ububegin | Hi anyone knows, how to go about and finding the package name..... harpal: tks for the effort |
| 09:32.06 | sorto | whats the best way to zip/unzip files with debian? |
| 09:32.10 | Acidic32 | i got a problem, why does eth keep going up after every boot, i need to ifconfig eth6 then if i reboot it will be eth8 |
| 09:32.12 | liable | harpal: are you sure you dont have mute buttons on your keyboard? |
| 09:32.12 | Acidic32 | etc |
| 09:32.14 | Acidic32 | why?> |
| 09:32.24 | Ububegin | sorto: tar -xzvf |
| 09:32.39 | liable | harpal: i have a thinkpad and the mute button will kill audio even though evrything else looks good |
| 09:33.15 | harpal | Yes I have LENOVO keyboard and it has nothing extra button |
| 09:33.38 | harpal | to enable or disable keyboard or do extra things |
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| 09:34.58 | tapas | can i tell dpkg-buildpackage not to delete all the remains of the last build attempt? |
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| 09:35.05 | tapas | it quit with an error |
| 09:35.13 | sri_j | harpal : k |
| 09:35.14 | tralala | liable, kill? |
| 09:35.24 | tapas | and i want to rerun it without having to wait another 4hs until is ee the error again |
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| 09:36.17 | liable | tralala: kill what? |
| 09:36.18 | tralala | tapas, I don't think it deletes them |
| 09:36.28 | tralala | liable, what do you mean "kill audio"? |
| 09:36.49 | harpal | Hey liable its working nowwww |
| 09:36.59 | harpal | I done know how but I get sound |
| 09:37.13 | liable | tralala: the mute button on a thinkpad will stop the noise coming out the speakers |
| 09:37.26 | tralala | tapas, but it probably recreates the Makefile causing the build to be redone |
| 09:37.38 | liable | tralala: as advertised.. |
| 09:37.47 | tralala | liable, in other words it would mute it |
| 09:37.47 | liable | harpal: what did you do? |
| 09:38.01 | sri_j | harpal: what you did? |
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| 09:38.08 | tralala | liable, cause "kill" sounded like somthing going wrong |
| 09:38.17 | liable | tralala: yes, but evrything looks kosher otherwise |
| 09:38.32 | liable | tralala: bad choice of words i guess |
| 09:38.45 | harpal | nothing I have just gone to bios and just checked that audio is enable or not than just quite it and boot in to linux |
| 09:39.09 | liable | i thought you did that before? |
| 09:39.10 | harpal | Than I have just open konversation for irc chat and it heard sound in my headphone |
| 09:39.27 | Th3Count | I am having trouble getting the installer to work, ive read the documentation and am getting nowhere. the installer loads the floppy image to about 2% then crashes saying it can't mount my cdrom |
| 09:39.50 | harpal | liable: I am sure its done before on my windows machine I have sound working |
| 09:39.55 | schemelab | which graphical music player can play an audio cd? |
| 09:39.57 | tralala | Th3Count, which ide chipset? |
| 09:40.03 | Th3Count | G33 |
| 09:40.28 | Th3Count | my mobo is an intel DG33LT |
| 09:40.38 | harpal | but If i dont play any sound than it sounds some thing cheeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 09:41.12 | harpal | and if i play file than I heard sound with cheeeeeeee |
| 09:41.13 | Ububegin | i installed like this ... [sudo dpkg -i package_file.deb] ... however to uninstall i haf to do this [sudo dpkg -r package_name ] Does anyone know how to find the package name |
| 09:41.16 | liable | harpal: so its fixed? |
| 09:41.18 | tralala | Th3Count, http://www.google.com/search?q=debian%20g33 (first hit) |
| 09:41.26 | liable | harpal: cheeee? |
| 09:41.56 | liable | g33 is ich8 iirc? |
| 09:42.07 | liable | 21 supported it |
| 09:42.13 | tralala | Ububegin, man dpkg |
| 09:42.23 | harpal | liable: thats sound I heard If I dont play sound file. I dont know how to pronounce it in english |
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| 09:42.39 | Th3Count | Tralala: on a windows unit. how can i take the cd image i've downloaded and make it bootable from a usb? |
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| 09:43.24 | sri_j | harpal: how can i found the sound is disabled in bios |
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| 09:43.55 | sseNssesSiroSori | hi |
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| 09:44.19 | harpal | sri_j: just type command dmidecode and in that you have sound section and see there status, but not sure its come from bios or anywhere |
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| 09:46.06 | sri_j | harpal: i found the statement "sound disabled" |
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| 09:47.12 | sri_j | then i went to bios by giving f1 but i dont know where should i give enable the sound |
| 09:47.33 | Ububegin | Did any of guys have installed apache2 from *.deb files... Cos after installing when I try to run it, ----------------------- |
| 09:47.35 | Ububegin | Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/alias.load: |
| 09:47.36 | Ububegin | module alias_module is built-in and can't be loaded |
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| 09:48.24 | rabby__ | hi |
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| 09:48.38 | Ububegin | That's why I want to uninstall it and try again... But somehow I am unable to do it...without knowing the package_name ... :( |
| 09:48.47 | harpal | sri_j: just go to device and go to audio device |
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| 09:49.07 | rabby__ | is there a minimalistic package of gnome that only install what is really neccessary and not everything? |
| 09:49.11 | harpal | in that you have option that tells you weather your audio is enable or not |
| 09:49.35 | tapas | Ububegin: why not comment out the line he moans about? |
| 09:49.57 | peppe | Th3Count: something like this http://d-i.pascal.at/ ? |
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| 09:50.45 | peppe | rabby__: maybe gnome-core ? |
| 09:50.54 | rabby__ | peppe, thx |
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| 09:51.03 | harpal | liable: now audio has gone, dont know :( |
| 09:51.19 | Ububegin | tapas: just another error comes out..when I comment it out.. :( .. similar to old one, but with diff name... |
| 09:52.11 | tapas | Ububegin: well, the package is called apache2 |
| 09:52.20 | tapas | Ububegin: sudo apt-get remove apach2 |
| 09:52.22 | tapas | erm |
| 09:52.25 | tapas | bbian |
| 09:52.27 | tapas | bbiab |
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| 09:54.32 | Ububegin | tapas: never knew apt-get will do the job... gracias |
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| 09:55.58 | tapas | Ububegin: you might want to try the introductory ubuntu documentation |
| 09:56.01 | tapas | it might help :) |
| 09:56.32 | Ububegin | tapas: thanks man... i am getting a ubuntu book 2morrow... |
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| 09:56.46 | tapas | Ububegin: no need. much docs are online |
| 09:58.01 | Andjeo | any recomendations for backup software to backup a LAMP box ? |
| 09:58.14 | sri_j | Harpal:In BIOS there is no Device option itself |
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| 09:58.43 | harpal | sri_j: Than you must have some audio option in your bios |
| 09:58.59 | harpal | in that you got enable or disable |
| 09:59.00 | bootc | morning folks, I've set up Samba as a domain server but all my users are coming up with their full GECOS name (e.g. Chris Boot,,,) |
| 09:59.07 | Erik1 | tralala: still no go... if I want to use plain vga, do I set 'Driver' in xorg.conf to vga instead of nvidia ? |
| 09:59.18 | bootc | how can I edit the passdb.tdb to remove that (already cleaned up /etc/passwd) |
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| 09:59.39 | sri_j | disable |
| 09:59.42 | tralala | Erik1, don't edit xorg.conf manually, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 09:59.51 | tralala | select vesa |
| 10:00.05 | harpal | sri_j: Than enable it |
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| 10:00.14 | sri_j | how |
| 10:00.17 | harpal | and you have sound in debian |
| 10:00.47 | harpal | sri_j: change that disable to enable |
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| 10:01.23 | sri_j | the disbaled was there in dmidecode command |
| 10:01.43 | sri_j | harpal:? |
| 10:01.49 | sangitha | hi all |
| 10:01.50 | harpal | ohhhhh I thought that you got it in bios |
| 10:01.50 | sebastian^ | good morning folks :) |
| 10:02.00 | sri_j | harpal: no ya |
| 10:02.12 | sangitha | i am trying to create debian custom cd |
| 10:02.16 | harpal | sri_j: Dont sure because now my sound is not working |
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| 10:02.32 | sangitha | i have created one |
| 10:02.36 | harpal | I have just heard one song and after changing that song it has gone |
| 10:02.57 | tralala | Th3Count, I don't think you can do it on windows. Download the usb stick installer and follow these instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 10:03.08 | harpal | sri_j: I am also searching that |
| 10:03.13 | sangitha | but some of the packages like gnome-utils are available in the cd but not getting installed |
| 10:03.23 | sri_j | harpal:we are hearing single sound |
| 10:03.49 | sangitha | could anybody help me in this |
| 10:03.50 | sri_j | harpal:sorry we are not hearing single sound |
| 10:05.04 | sri_j | sangitha:intially u just check all the dependices are there in gnome-utils |
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| 10:06.05 | ArtVandalae | Hi... I just plugged my Texas Ti84 calc into my computer, and I check my dmesg and sure enough it's "seen" it: "usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 5" but what address e.g. "/dev/sda" is it on? |
| 10:06.43 | harpal | sri_j: Here its not sure at what time we get sound |
| 10:07.01 | sangitha | sri_j, yes i have checked all the dependancies are available |
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| 10:09.19 | sri_j | sangitha:intially u just install cd and after that install gnome-utils and do the cross verify all the packages are there |
| 10:10.55 | sangitha | sri_j, yes i have installed gnome-utils from the same cd it is getting installed without asking for any dependancies |
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| 10:12.36 | sri_j | sangitha: check both the preceed file and folder name are same |
| 10:13.17 | aislinux | Anybody that can help me to get my mail relay to work. I mean I tryed everything right now I cant see what it is. |
| 10:13.35 | aislinux | I got 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay allways |
| 10:15.02 | petemc | aislinux: that looks like a microsoft exchange message |
| 10:15.09 | aislinux | yes, :-) |
| 10:15.19 | petemc | this is #debian |
| 10:15.30 | aislinux | but still trying from Debian |
| 10:15.41 | petemc | right, but the problem is with the server |
| 10:15.51 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 10:15.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, nofp is Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 10:16.05 | bootc | to answer my own question: net rpc user edit fullname <user> <new full name> |
| 10:16.31 | aislinux | No, I thing it is autentication from Debian |
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| 10:17.01 | Guerin | aislinux: consult the logs on the server to verify. Don't guess. |
| 10:18.25 | Guerin | or better yet |
| 10:18.34 | Guerin | use a mail server which isn't utterly crap |
| 10:19.07 | harpal | Hey any one just show me file /etc/modprobe.d/sound? |
| 10:19.25 | Erik1 | tralala: no go : no screen even...acn't work blind...can I redo the entire X-system ? |
| 10:20.28 | tralala | Erik1, what did you do? Show us the X.log |
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| 10:20.45 | sangitha | sri_j, yes the name in the preseed file and the folder name are same |
| 10:21.36 | Erik1 | tralala: how can I get teh log on a pastebin ? it's on the linux machine...I type on my laptop: only got a commandline... |
| 10:22.40 | tralala | paste, /msg dpkg without x |
| 10:22.44 | tralala | blah |
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| 10:22.53 | tralala | Erik1, /msg dpkg paste without x |
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| 10:28.58 | Erik1 | tralala: yeah, but how can I get the log file on that site ??? |
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| 10:30.02 | erikja | Erik1, copy/paste |
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| 10:30.30 | ringo999 | what is a good "light" picture viewer app for debian? |
| 10:30.33 | Erik1 | erikja: I have no X, now browser |
| 10:30.44 | Erik1 | now=no |
| 10:31.28 | sri_j | sangitha: u are having any other precced file or first generate the ./packagegenerate.sh |
| 10:31.36 | erikja | Erik1, then it's difficult. Install the Lynx broweser |
| 10:31.40 | erikja | -e |
| 10:33.33 | Erik1 | erikja: might be quicker to reinstall X....or even etch.... |
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| 10:33.44 | Erik1 | can I reinstall entire X ? |
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| 10:36.02 | iwkse | hi all, how can i get with dpkg the license of a package? |
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| 10:37.38 | peppe | iwkse: maybe you can just look in /usr/share/doc/package/copyright |
| 10:37.42 | y7 | whenever i type ./configure, i get this error msg: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH |
| 10:37.45 | y7 | what am i doing wrong? |
| 10:38.04 | peppe | y7: apt-get install build-essential |
| 10:38.04 | iwkse | peppe: thanks:) |
| 10:38.10 | y7 | thx |
| 10:38.45 | harpal | sri_j: you have thinkpad? and you dont have sound running? |
| 10:39.11 | harpal | sri_j: check out this this may help you http://www.klabs.be/~fpiat/linux/debian/Etch_on_Thinkpad_T61.html |
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| 10:44.02 | harpal | Hey to update I must do first apt-get upgrade and than apt-get update or vice versa? |
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| 10:46.41 | Internat | !nvidia |
| 10:46.41 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 10:47.19 | Internat | !nvidia one-liner |
| 10:47.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 10:47.46 | happla | joltcan: hehe, check out the one-liner =) |
| 10:48.11 | Internat | hmms thats not what i wanted |
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| 10:49.06 | egoleo | is anyone using acer 4520 amd nvidia geforce 7000M |
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| 10:50.04 | rush2 | Please give me a link to site where I can get debian etch images with new kernels |
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| 10:54.02 | joltcan | happla: Which one? I'm a bit off-line at the moment |
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| 10:54.46 | happla | joltcan: about nvidia |
| 10:54.57 | happla | joltcan: 11:47:19 |
| 10:55.03 | happla | according to sp.se ntp |
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| 10:56.23 | joltcan | happla: I usually use that one with the uname |
| 10:56.32 | happla | joltcan: ok |
| 10:57.01 | joltcan | happla: It is nice though |
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| 10:59.10 | happla | joltcan: oneliners is always |
| 10:59.19 | happla | joltcan: I love my remove thousands of files-onliner =) |
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| 10:59.28 | happla | well eller, lunch |
| 10:59.29 | happla | *gone* |
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| 11:10.02 | Cr3ature | MP3 Lame codec for Debian? |
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| 11:13.24 | joltcan | Cr3ature: You mean the program lame with mp3 support? |
| 11:14.06 | joltcan | Cr3ature: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 11:40.15 | Cr3ature | ARGH what is with this |
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| 11:40.34 | Cr3ature | all the lines are drawing with letters: x and q:s |
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| 11:46.30 | gordonjcp | Cr3ature: what lines? |
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| 11:49.43 | Cr3ature | gordonjcp: line mc |
| 11:49.46 | Cr3ature | like |
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| 11:53.05 | Enverex | Has there been any progress into multiarch over the last year? |
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| 11:54.08 | tobi | is there any better/easier solution for bandwidth reservation between 2 ips than tc? |
| 11:54.20 | tobi | just plain reservation, nothing dynamic |
| 11:54.36 | tobi | only depending on the source and destination ip |
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| 11:56.04 | nullvoid | hello all |
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| 11:57.19 | nullvoid | why is that everytime I try to start my ivman it will display (do_startup_configure) and yet the service not started |
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| 12:03.17 | nullvoid | how can I start ivman? everytime i issue /etc/init.d/ivman start I got something like do_startup_configure and no process of ivman :( |
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| 12:04.34 | yomm | How can I make a .deb package from an installed application that is not in my apt-cache ?? |
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| 12:05.29 | apt_get | Debian ETCH can work together OpenSSI and DRBD? |
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| 12:06.18 | hark | yomm: dpkg-repack |
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| 12:06.50 | yomm | hark : Thank you ; I'll check into that right now ! |
| 12:07.00 | yomm | man dpkg |
| 12:07.04 | yomm | oops |
| 12:07.18 | hark | !info dpkg-repack |
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| 12:07.49 | hark | wait for it.. |
| 12:08.33 | dpkg | dpkg-repack: (puts an unpacked .deb file back together), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.28 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
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| 12:09.15 | unenough | err, how do i download all the dependencies a source package needs for building? |
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| 12:10.33 | hark | apt-get build-dep foo |
| 12:10.58 | unenough | hark, thanks! |
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| 12:12.02 | apt_get | hark, i will try |
| 12:12.13 | Erik1 | can I reinstall etch without affecting /home and /var ? |
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| 12:13.14 | harpal | Hey anyone here used syslog-ng for logging? |
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| 12:14.02 | Guerin | !anyone use syslog-ng for logging?\ |
| 12:14.02 | dpkg | No, no one uses syslog-ng for logging?\, not even the people who use it. |
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| 12:14.58 | ^shark_ | !msg anyone repair etch |
| 12:15.11 | Guerin | fail |
| 12:15.13 | ^shark_ | !anyone repair etch |
| 12:15.44 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:17.21 | Guerin | Erik1: yes, if they're on separate partitions |
| 12:17.36 | Erik1 | Guerin: ok |
| 12:17.37 | Guerin | if not, you'll have to back them up |
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| 12:18.01 | harpal | oh I means I cant log with syslog-ng with perticular program |
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| 12:19.14 | chilly | hello? |
| 12:19.46 | peppe | is there anybody in there? |
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| 12:19.58 | Enverex | chilly, There are 800 people in here, were you expecting a personal welcome? |
| 12:20.28 | chilly | no, just checking if anybody responded here , as in the moole server nobody responded |
| 12:21.05 | chilly | i have a problem with a configuration with my moodle, but gues i cant ask that kinda question here ey .... |
| 12:21.50 | chilly | if anybody know how to configure moodle then please tell me |
| 12:22.02 | chilly | im having a lot a big problem |
| 12:22.17 | Guerin | chilly: not likely |
| 12:22.43 | gordonjcp | Cr3ature: sounds like you've got the wrong terminal set |
| 12:23.16 | gordonjcp | peppe: just nod if you can hear me... |
| 12:23.21 | chilly | pitty ... thanx anyway |
| 12:23.54 | Erik1 | where are firefoxes bookmarks stored on etch ? |
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| 12:24.46 | peppe | Erik1: ~/.mozilla/firefox/yourprofile/bookmarks.html |
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| 12:28.46 | sri_j | sangitha: r u there |
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| 12:29.09 | mic_p | Hi all. How I can list a package into a repository with apt-get? |
| 12:29.26 | mic_p | (sorry the packages into a repository) |
| 12:31.33 | nkuttler | mic_p: apt-cache search ? |
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| 12:32.45 | mic_p | nkuttler: I'm looking for something like: "apt-get -t unstable install a_package", but that list the packages! |
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| 12:33.31 | nkuttler | mic_p: apt-cache policy ? |
| 12:34.57 | StrangeCharm_ | i'm having some trouble making a couple of raid arrays. i have six disks attached to this machine: one 160gb attached to the board's sata controller, one 40gb attached to the board's ide controller, three 300gb and one 320gb attached to an add-in card that claims to be a raid card, but actually just seems to be a raidless sata controller. i'm trying to set up the following system: a 900gb raid5 using the first 300gb of the four disks on the add-in |
| 12:34.58 | StrangeCharm_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.58 | StrangeCharm_ | hen rebooted. once i got to the partitioner, i marked my disks for partitions necessary to make the above, but when i go in to configure software raid, i don't find all of the partitions that i marked as being available for raid actually being available. if i go to delete multidisk devices, i find 'md1', ':', inactive', 'sdb1 [2]', and 'mdo_raid5', none of which i can delete. the only one of these that appears to have any component devices is md0_ |
| 12:35.03 | StrangeCharm_ | raid5 which had three of my 300gb paritions on it, however, when i return to the main partitioning menu, i find raid5 device #0 with 900gb of free space on it. what on earth is going on? |
| 12:35.06 | StrangeCharm_ | oh |
| 12:35.08 | StrangeCharm_ | dang it |
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| 12:36.12 | mic_p | nkuttler: but with this, I have to know the package name, but I want to see what package are into that repository |
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| 12:38.11 | Guerin | StrangeCharm_: edit yourself |
| 12:38.32 | Guerin | StrangeCharm_: nobody cares that much about your predicament |
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| 12:38.49 | StrangeCharm_ | Guerin: i realised how much i'd typed after i typed it, sorry |
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| 12:39.38 | Dewi | and they say using enter as punctuation is a bad thing |
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| 12:46.07 | k-man_ | is there a way to install the nvidia drivers for a new kernel before rebooting into that kernel? |
| 12:46.22 | k-man_ | so when i reboot X will work |
| 12:46.51 | Guerin | k-man_: no. |
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| 12:50.25 | m0u5e | is there a meta package for installing the minimal deb gui interface (gnome)? |
| 12:51.04 | m0u5e | i was using a netinst cd, but it wasn't able to contact the servers over my network |
| 12:51.05 | ronr | m0u5e: gnome is nog a minimal gui |
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| 12:51.15 | ronr | m0u5e: tasksel will install gnome |
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| 12:51.23 | m0u5e | ronr: tasksel? |
| 12:51.27 | ronr | m0u5e: s/nog/not/ |
| 12:51.36 | ronr | m0u5e: yes |
| 12:51.47 | ronr | m0u5e: desktop install installs gnome |
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| 12:52.21 | ronr | m0u5e: but if you want a minimal gui, there are many options more minimal than gnome |
| 12:52.36 | m0u5e | ronri meant the minimum gnome requirements |
| 12:52.44 | m0u5e | ronr: *i |
| 12:52.54 | ronr | m0u5e: ah, ok |
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| 12:55.57 | m0u5e | ronr: so what should i type? :X |
| 12:57.10 | m0u5e | i'm logged in as root, at the moment and i want to install whatever metapackage that will install what the standard debian netinst cd would have installed, were it able to connect to ftp://debian.org |
| 12:57.59 | ronr | m0u5e: tasksel<enter> |
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| 13:02.37 | m0u5e | ronr: it just keeps saying no packages are selected to be installed / upgraded/ removed |
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| 13:03.57 | ktwilight[m] | am trying to setup a bridge on my eth0 and ath0 (wireless). installed bridge-utils, modified /etc/network/interfaces (sample: http://rafb.net/p/hXrQSZ15.html ) but i still can't ping any pcs within the network nor the internet. what am i missing? |
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| 13:05.42 | Unknown | lu tt le monde les gens |
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| 13:13.19 | vin` | !greetings |
| 13:13.19 | dpkg | hello, vin` |
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| 13:14.25 | AKX | Morning. I've a bunch of .pcf fonts I'd need to install for X. How do I do it? |
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| 13:24.54 | metaperl | How do I enable ssh on my Debian/etch machine? I want to be able to ssh into my machine |
| 13:25.11 | dayid | metaperl:: install it, and then start it |
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| 13:26.02 | jaggz- | dpkg -l '*bind*' does not list all the bind packages, I'm confused. there's bindgraph, and it doesn't show -- but aptitude shows it (uninstalled) |
| 13:26.03 | dpkg | ii '*bind*' does not list all the bind packages, I'm confused. there's bindgraph, and it doesn't show -- but aptitude shows it (uninstalled) 3.4-3.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 13:26.09 | jaggz- | not installed, that is |
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| 13:27.19 | metaperl | wajig search ssh returns a lot of things... openssh-server is what I want to install to allow ssh into my box? |
| 13:27.26 | jaggz- | yeah |
| 13:27.41 | jaggz- | that's what some want you to install so they can ssh into your computer |
| 13:27.42 | rafiks | what happened to xsane and hplip.. after I upgrade to hplip 2.17.10 ,xsane no longer works .. |
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| 13:28.50 | rafiks | runnning debian unstable here .. |
| 13:29.20 | rafiks | i have an HP F340 all in one printer |
| 13:30.22 | rafiks | hp-toolbox does not recognize the printer but I can print my email via mutt ..cups seems to be working also |
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| 13:35.28 | metaperl | I have a netgear router. Here is the ifconfig of the machine I want to ssh into - http://paste.debian.net/48120 --- how would I do so from another machine which is making use of the same netgear router? |
| 13:36.46 | ronsonol | Migrated from SUSE to Etch in the last week, and it's been shooting dice whether sound works on bootup. Right now, it isn't. Applications don't complain, there's just no sound. If I adjust nothing and reboot, experience says sound will work fine. Any suggestions toward diagnosis while it's still in a trouble state? |
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| 13:37.45 | Mania | hi |
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| 13:37.58 | Mania | how can install debian on VirtualBox? |
| 13:38.25 | petemc | Mania: ssh user@192.168.1.3 |
| 13:38.30 | petemc | metaperl: ^^^ |
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| 13:38.54 | Mania | unde5r OS type is no debian? |
| 13:40.11 | schemelab | yes thanks petemc - it's me metaperl but i'm on IRC upstairs on XP ... ssh'ing to debian downstairs.. that works :) |
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| 13:41.49 | Munkee | Mania: Select linux |
| 13:42.00 | Mania | wich linux |
| 13:42.17 | Munkee | Mania: Probably Linux 2.6 |
| 13:42.18 | Mania | 2.6? |
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| 13:42.28 | Mania | ok munkee thanx |
| 13:42.32 | Mania | i try it |
| 13:42.43 | peppe | metaperl: you've to remove /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run and restart ssh |
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| 13:43.15 | schemelab | hmm |
| 13:43.23 | schemelab | i will see if that file is there downstair |
| 13:43.58 | Munkee | With all the 32bit java stuff now in unstable, would I be too hopeful in thinking that I can get java browser plugin support in iceweasel on amd64? |
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| 13:46.46 | DGnome | Hi! After dist-upgrade to lenny, all gtk-fonts got really tiny outside of gnome. Is there a gnome-service that I can start alongside openbox to fix this or do I have to tweak something? |
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| 13:48.49 | streuner_ | !info gtk-chtheme |
| 13:48.51 | dpkg | gtk-chtheme: (GTK+ 2.0 theme changer and previewer utility), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.3.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
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| 13:49.19 | streuner_ | DGnome: ^^^ |
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| 13:52.53 | DGnome | streuner_: apparaently, running gnome-settings-daemon in the background gives the wanted result :) |
| 13:53.14 | DGnome | s/apparaently/apparently/; |
| 13:53.44 | amphi | ugh |
| 13:57.59 | Asmooh | demons.. I dont know how to call them.. demons live in the box.. its a gateway to hell *sing* |
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| 14:01.58 | pobega | How can I have a service automatically stop when I unplug my laptop from the AC adapter? |
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| 14:06.17 | hypnus9 | What is the best way for my windows laptop to access my debian desktop? |
| 14:06.45 | hypnus9 | I am using my debian desktop as a file server. |
| 14:06.50 | Enverex | hypnus9, Samba |
| 14:06.56 | hypnus9 | ok. Thanks |
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| 14:07.59 | abrotman | uh .. did he mean the files or the desktop? |
| 14:11.07 | pobega | How can I have a service automatically stop when I unplug my laptop from the AC adapter? |
| 14:11.08 | hipodilski | Is there a good way to redirect port locally ? |
| 14:11.31 | hipodilski | let's say I want to redirect 3306 to 33006 |
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| 14:11.44 | hipodilski | so if somebody tries to connect to 33006 to open 3306? |
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| 14:12.20 | peppe | hipodilski: dnat? |
| 14:12.59 | abrotman | pobega: maybe an acpi event? |
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| 14:13.43 | Daveman | Good morning, abrotman :) |
| 14:13.51 | hipodilski | peppe: is there something to read about this |
| 14:13.56 | hipodilski | peppe: how exactly with DNAT? |
| 14:13.58 | dayid | hipodilski:: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d YOURIP -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 3306 -j DNAT --to-destination 127.0.0.1:33006 |
| 14:14.08 | SQLDb | Hrm. Crap. Somewhere along the line, this kernel update went bad. I've got a box, running, with no kernel installed (at next reboot, it'll be dead), w/o networking (module's not there)... And, I don't think I can drop in a keydrive, with the appropriate .deb on it... Should I just say screw it, and re-install? (all the important stuff was on NFS anyhow) |
| 14:14.12 | dayid | or you can leave out the "-d YOUR IP" if you're wanting to do it for every IP on your machine |
| 14:14.22 | peppe | pobega: it's an ACPI event, install acpid and put a rule under /etc/acpi/events/ |
| 14:14.24 | dayid | presuming you have nat allowed, etc |
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| 14:15.13 | peppe | pobega: you can see the event's name and attributes in /var/log/acpid |
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| 14:16.05 | pobega | peppe: I don't see it now. It's an /etc/init.d servic |
| 14:16.13 | pobega | s/servic/service |
| 14:16.15 | mne | hi guys. Is it possible to set up a crypto-disk with dm-crypt ontop a tempfs ? I would like to have a crypto-ramdisk with 256MB for speed testing purposes |
| 14:16.39 | peppe | pobega: what is a service? acpid? |
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| 14:17.30 | pobega | peppe: Well, I'm trying to get an init.d service to stop when I'm on battery life and continue when I'm on AC power. |
| 14:17.51 | metaperl | the wajig pkg mgr is da shiznit |
| 14:18.01 | hipodilski | dayid: thanks I guess IP forwarding should be enabled |
| 14:18.55 | hipodilski | ? |
| 14:18.55 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 14:18.55 | simonrvn | i found it got in my way |
| 14:19.13 | et | pobega: |
| 14:19.15 | et | cat /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/ACAD/state |
| 14:19.15 | et | state: on-line |
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| 14:19.28 | et | at least here |
| 14:19.43 | et | oh, nevermind |
| 14:19.46 | peppe | et: would that mean _polling_ that file? |
| 14:20.00 | peppe | pobega: you can call "/etc/init.d/service stop" when the event is "ac unplugged" and start when you replug in the ac power |
| 14:20.03 | hipodilski | # iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 85.14.6.77 -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 3306 -j DNAT --to-destination 127.0.0.1:33006 |
| 14:20.11 | et | peppe: i misunderstood him |
| 14:20.13 | metaperl | ok I installed ntp and told the clock gadget in gnome to use a few ntp servers, but the time is still wrong... |
| 14:20.14 | hipodilski | telnet localhost 33006 |
| 14:20.14 | hipodilski | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 14:20.14 | hipodilski | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 14:20.16 | hipodilski | ? |
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| 14:20.24 | dayid | umm |
| 14:20.32 | dayid | you just set it up to forward FROM 3306 TO 33006 |
| 14:20.41 | peppe | pobega: just put a script in /etc/acpi/events/, following the instructions |
| 14:20.46 | dayid | and you would need to then run a service or something on 33006 |
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| 14:21.12 | pobega | So I create a new script called "ac unplugged" on par with the other scripts? |
| 14:21.30 | Daveman | :) |
| 14:21.41 | peppe | pobega: I think you can say "ok, run this script if the event is ac_unplugged" |
| 14:21.49 | peppe | or something like that |
| 14:22.07 | et | peppe: i thought he wanted a script not to continue if he is on battery power |
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| 14:22.55 | peppe | et: hm.... I've understood that he needs to stop a service when going on battery, and start it when on ac power |
| 14:23.12 | simonrvn | still hasn't realised he got kicked by the bot |
| 14:23.17 | pobega | peppe: But what I mean is I have to create a new script, or should it already exist? Because I don't have an ac_unplugged script at the moment. |
| 14:23.27 | hotchips | hello. Does anyone know of a irc channel where people learning to program meet? |
| 14:23.29 | peppe | pobega: ok, create a brand new script :) |
| 14:23.32 | et | yes, that's what i got too when i read it again, that's why i wrote "oh, nevermind" |
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| 14:24.42 | peppe | pobega: read some acpid manuals in order to create that script... by looking at powerbtn I see that you can specify the event type and a command to be run |
| 14:24.43 | pobega | What do I put for the event= line? |
| 14:24.59 | peppe | pobega: dunno, read the acpid manul |
| 14:25.04 | peppe | *manual |
| 14:25.34 | danielsh | whenever I maximize gvim, it shrinks itself to be a little less than maximized. Other apps stay maximized. |
| 14:25.38 | pobega | Thanks a lot peppe and et |
| 14:25.48 | peppe | BTW, you should also modify your service "start" script |
| 14:25.51 | danielsh | how can I make it stay maximized? |
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| 14:26.11 | peppe | because at boot time you don't know if you're running on ac power or battery, and acpi generates no events for that |
| 14:26.58 | peppe | so you must read /proc/acpi/AC/something and figure out if you're on ac power (and then really start the service) or on battery |
| 14:27.11 | pobega | peppe: I already modified the script to work with on_ac_power, but thanks for the tip. |
| 14:27.28 | abrotman | hotchips: is there a #programming ? |
| 14:27.41 | abrotman | hrm .. guess not |
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| 14:29.53 | themill | peppe: the /proc/acpi interface is going away in 2.6.24. There is an equivalent interface in /sys instead. |
| 14:30.08 | hotchips | abrotman : I don't know. I was wondering if anyone knows of a good place to exchange ideas about learning to program. |
| 14:30.22 | abrotman | hotchips: there are specific channels for languages |
| 14:30.23 | dayid | hotchips:: I hear the internet is a good place for that :-p |
| 14:30.27 | abrotman | hotchips: what kind of programming? |
| 14:30.37 | peppe | themill: oh, I didn't know that. ok, may be you can just run "acpi -a" ? :) |
| 14:30.51 | themill | peppe: yep.. or run on_ac_power ... |
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| 14:31.19 | hotchips | abrotman : I am an absolute beginner |
| 14:32.01 | abrotman | hotchips: but do you know what kind of programming you'd like to do? or a language you'd like to learn? |
| 14:32.10 | xoz | abrotman: english |
| 14:32.12 | hotchips | I guess I would like to learn C |
| 14:32.18 | abrotman | hotchips: so you'd start in ##c |
| 14:33.06 | abrotman | hotchips: there is ##programming also .. though not many people |
| 14:33.08 | chops | hotchips: Generally it's better to pick up a book than show up in a chat and ask everyone to explain everything to you in real time... learning to program takes a long time. |
| 14:33.12 | hotchips | abrotman: I read most good programs are written in C |
| 14:33.31 | abrotman | hotchips: depends how you define "good" ... but it is widely used |
| 14:33.53 | xoz | hotchips: C programming by Kernighan and Ritchie is a good start |
| 14:34.16 | abrotman | might be a bit much .. but whatever |
| 14:34.18 | hotchips | abrotman: I have a book but I am now looking for resources on line like a good place to find basic samples of code I could use to learn |
| 14:34.27 | abrotman | hotchips: google! :) |
| 14:34.29 | chops | hotchips: What book do you have? |
| 14:35.08 | abrotman | the one with pages |
| 14:35.16 | hotchips | I bought one of those "For Dummies" series about programming for beginners |
| 14:35.33 | abrotman | hotchips: if you really want to learn C .. go to ##c and ask them for good online resources |
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| 14:35.53 | hotchips | xoz: thanks for the tip |
| 14:36.03 | abrotman | hotchips: just be aware that there are many other languages that are easier to learn |
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| 14:36.24 | hotchips | abrotman: thanks I will ask them. :) |
| 14:36.58 | hotchips | abrotman: by the way what language would you recommend to learn the basics? |
| 14:37.08 | tralala | pascal ;) |
| 14:37.28 | chops | hotchips: You can also check out O'Reilly's online books; see http://safari.oreilly.com/browse?category=itbooks.prog . I believe you'll find better books there than the "For Dummies" series, but that's just my own prejudices :-). |
| 14:37.29 | xoz | hotchips: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/c1.htm |
| 14:37.58 | edthefox | lol i remember when i first started learning pascal... way back in 1990 lol... |
| 14:38.08 | abrotman | hotchips: i couldn't recommend a language unless i knew your goal |
| 14:38.15 | hotchips | tralala, chops , xoz Thanks |
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| 14:38.47 | chops | hotchips: C is a little hard to jump into straight away... python is a good choice IMHO; java and ruby would be my second choices. C is good too though, and it'll give you a much deeper understanding than the others if you can pick it up. |
| 14:38.51 | edthefox | hotchips: so, ae youwanting to prog on for linux or windows? |
| 14:38.52 | tralala | hotchips, I was kidding. Actually abrotman is right - depends on the purpose. |
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| 14:39.35 | hotchips | abrotman: I think my goal is to be able to know a language well enough so that I can modify free software to my needs. |
| 14:39.47 | abrotman | hotchips: C and python are good places to start .. and perl |
| 14:40.06 | xoz | ...and ruby, really. |
| 14:40.34 | tralala | hotchips, most of the free software is writen in C/C++. Python and perl account for much of the rest |
| 14:41.08 | hotchips | I am taking note. :) |
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| 14:41.35 | abrotman | xoz: ruby isn't hugely useful for modifying F/OSS apps .. yet |
| 14:41.39 | chops | hotchips: Free software is written in all sorts of languages... picking up some and fooling with it is actually a great way to learn about code once you've gone through one of the "introduction to whatever" books. There's no substitute for seeing what other people have figured out and how well it worked (or didn't) :-). |
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| 14:42.27 | tralala | hotchips, I'm not sure that modifying free software is a valid goal though. |
| 14:42.52 | abrotman | gotta start somewhere? |
| 14:42.52 | xoz | abrotman: yep. 'replacement' i would say. much cleaner/easier coding. |
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| 14:43.01 | abrotman | xoz: debatable .. but oh well |
| 14:43.15 | tralala | I mean it could very well be one, but most of the people end up only using it. Including me - an actual coder. |
| 14:43.23 | hotchips | tralala: I meant modify and make it better like getting rid of bugs and then give it back to the community |
| 14:43.26 | edthefox | hotchips: i highly recommend reading up on bash and regular expressions... learning regular expressions are of paramount importance |
| 14:43.27 | abrotman | tralala: in pascal? :) |
| 14:43.55 | tralala | abrotman, yes... once upon the time ;) |
| 14:45.03 | tralala | hotchips, I know what you mean. |
| 14:45.53 | hotchips | Sometimes I wish a program could do something and it would be great to be able to program it thus help the free software community |
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| 14:46.12 | abrotman | i wish F/OSS could make me eggs ... |
| 14:46.15 | enzo | hi |
| 14:46.33 | tralala | hotchips, I'd recommend you to pick your favourite project and start as a tester. |
| 14:46.47 | abrotman | and bug reporter |
| 14:46.47 | hotchips | abrotman: well that might be hard to program |
| 14:46.59 | abrotman | hotchips: it's the laying eggs bit that seems hard :) |
| 14:47.04 | tralala | hehe |
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| 14:47.16 | hotchips | :) |
| 14:47.29 | tralala | actually if you have the needed hardware making eggs would be trivial to code up |
| 14:47.41 | tralala | but the laying part... |
| 14:47.49 | xoz | hotchips: advertisement of how ruby is easy to learn: http://poignantguide.net/ruby/chapter-3.html |
| 14:47.54 | chops | hotchips: One word of warning -- the first few patches you contribute will be a lot worse than you realize, and people won't want them. At least, that's what happened to me. Do not be discouraged; keep at it and you'll get it. :-) |
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| 14:48.32 | abrotman | chops: your code sucks! |
| 14:48.32 | hotchips | chops: Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. |
| 14:48.47 | chops | abrotman: It's true, it does. |
| 14:48.51 | abrotman | xoz: i love that guide :) |
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| 14:49.07 | chops | abrotman: The people in #gaim actually got mad at me because of my patch some time back :-) |
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| 14:49.26 | tralala | hotchips, most of the time the effort needed to contribute to FOSS projects is the main demotivator |
| 14:49.54 | abrotman | chops: i heard they changed the name of the project and hoped you wouldn't find out |
| 14:50.02 | hotchips | tralala: I think I can imagine that. |
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| 14:50.07 | chops | abrotman: Really? What'd they change it to? |
| 14:50.12 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:50.14 | yomm | #ubuntu |
| 14:50.15 | chops | :-) |
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| 14:50.43 | themill | chops: it's when you know you code sucks that you actually start to become a competent programmer. |
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| 14:51.13 | tralala | themill, this sounded so wrong... |
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| 14:52.00 | Ya_1 | I can write 'Hello, world', and I know it sucks... Am I...? |
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| 14:52.27 | gordonjcp | Ya_1: you are on the path to enlightenment |
| 14:52.52 | hipodilski | I would like to redirect port 33006 to 3306 everybody to be able to reach 3306 where directly 3306 is filtered for some IPs |
| 14:52.58 | hipodilski | can somebody point me of a way to do that |
| 14:53.08 | hipodilski | is it possible to do that? |
| 14:53.38 | tralala | hipodilski, yes - #iptables |
| 14:54.15 | hotchips | Thanks to all of you guys. I will let you know as soon as I am able to write some code.Bye. |
| 14:54.37 | mboman | with svn-buildpackage, how can I merge a SVN repository of upstream sources with the local package repository? (ie: trying to build a lorcon package. I have svn co the code to lorcon/trunk and created the lorcon/trunk/debian directory and related files. dpkg-buildpackage works, but svn-buildpackage doesn't [can't open debian/.svn/entries]) |
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| 14:55.59 | the_sniff | i've high loads for my server |
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| 14:56.12 | the_sniff | most of the apache processes i see take 13m of ram each! |
| 14:56.20 | simonrvn | ohnoz |
| 14:56.21 | the_sniff | how can i trace a process? strace? |
| 14:56.28 | abrotman | that's it? |
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| 14:56.50 | abrotman | the_sniff: shouldn't you be out playing in the snow? |
| 14:56.51 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:56.54 | chops | the_sniff: Is the 13M under "RES"? |
| 14:56.59 | chops | the_sniff: (in top) |
| 14:57.01 | the_sniff | chops yeah! |
| 14:57.01 | simonrvn | what, do you have 32 mb ram on that thing to be so concerned about 13mb? |
| 14:57.10 | chops | the_sniff: Also, are you running mod_perl or mod_python? |
| 14:57.11 | the_sniff | abrotman: no, no snow in my city :'( |
| 14:57.20 | the_sniff | chops, no, you asked me yesterday :p |
| 14:57.34 | chops | the_sniff: I was wondering if the answer had changed since then :-) |
| 14:57.40 | the_sniff | nah hehe |
| 14:57.41 | themill | simonrvn: if this is the same box as yesterday, it was running like a dog and with a load average of 15. Too many apache children. |
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| 14:58.06 | the_sniff | simonrvn: i've 153 apache processes heh |
| 14:58.09 | simonrvn | *cough* process limiting |
| 14:58.10 | Ramattack | Hi mates |
| 14:58.17 | Ramattack | one very easy question |
| 14:58.22 | abrotman | how easy? |
| 14:58.28 | the_sniff | simonrvn: it has as many visitors on right now, why would i want to limit them :S |
| 14:58.46 | abrotman | the_sniff: so limit the available apache children ? |
| 14:59.03 | the_sniff | what would that do? |
| 14:59.05 | abrotman | the_sniff: paste the output of 'free' |
| 14:59.07 | Ramattack | well as easy I though I got the answer by myself lol, my answer is one debian box has a number of maximum file descriptors and it sets limits per user |
| 14:59.27 | the_sniff | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/GEktyD70.html |
| 14:59.28 | simonrvn | well, you do something about it or quit bitching about it. simple. |
| 14:59.36 | chops | the_sniff: If you don't have any memory-hungry modules that you don't need, then you may just have to limit the number of children or get more memory. |
| 14:59.38 | Ramattack | and the reason because it doesn't give you more file descriptors is for avoiding DOS of you're self to you're own machine |
| 14:59.41 | Ramattack | am I wrong? |
| 15:00.05 | the_sniff | chops: it's goind to have 2 gbs of ram installed today afaik |
| 15:00.06 | chops | the_sniff: It'll be better to make the web-serving slightly slow by limiting the number of children to a manageable number than to make it massively slow by letting the server start thrashing. |
| 15:00.11 | simonrvn | Ramattack: that's normal. set the limit higher if needed |
| 15:00.12 | chops | the_sniff: Ah, that'll help :-) |
| 15:00.26 | the_sniff | but untill then i can't have it dead p: |
| 15:00.30 | Erik1 | during re-install etch over an existing one, (wanna keep /var and /home) I get a 'debootstrap warning about trying to run chroot /target dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd+3.5.11_i386.dec" what is that ? and what should I do ? |
| 15:00.30 | abrotman | the_sniff: how much does it have now? and which kernel? |
| 15:00.39 | the_sniff | what would limiting the children do, just increase the wait time? |
| 15:00.40 | Ramattack | simonrvn, and won't be problems with debian packages? they¡re compiled to support the maximum file descriptors for a standard debian kernel can support? |
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| 15:00.56 | simonrvn | Ramattack: uh, what? no... |
| 15:01.03 | the_sniff | abrotman: 900mb, (1gb i guess) 2.6.18-5-486 is the kernel |
| 15:01.08 | simonrvn | /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 15:01.22 | Ramattack | I mean If I increase file descriptors for www-data user for running apache with more log files |
| 15:01.37 | simonrvn | /etc/security |
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| 15:02.02 | Ramattack | could apache2 package crash because the limit is bigger than standard and perhaps the package is not ready for support so big number of file descriptors? |
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| 15:02.24 | jelly | Ramattack: no, but it may fail to work correctly when you hit the limit |
| 15:02.29 | simonrvn | why would it crash? |
| 15:02.55 | Ramattack | jelly, why? if it's possible to increase fd's? because it's compiled for default fd's? |
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| 15:04.16 | simonrvn | Ramattack: there's no such thing as that |
| 15:04.25 | Ramattack | what could cause those soft not to work properly jelly ? |
| 15:04.34 | Ramattack | sorry simonrvn what do you mean? |
| 15:04.47 | simonrvn | "because it's compiled for default fd's?" |
| 15:04.56 | simonrvn | that's nonsense |
| 15:05.01 | jelly | Ramattack: that's a question for software authors |
| 15:05.04 | Ramattack | then why it could work not as expected? |
| 15:05.32 | the_sniff | wow the server's dead |
| 15:05.35 | Ramattack | simonrvn, I know it's not a proper question or normal but imagine you compile a package with some options that enforce you to increase the default limit... |
| 15:06.01 | Ramattack | jelly, I see... |
| 15:06.04 | simonrvn | Ramattack: the *OS* does that, not the process |
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| 15:06.22 | Ramattack | yeah the OS supports perhaps sometimes more performance than software does |
| 15:06.26 | datachild | is there any createtorrent support channel?, or is there anyone here that could answear a question regardin createtorrent? |
| 15:06.59 | themill | the_sniff: making your users wait for a few milliseconds until there is an apache process available is preferable to the user having to wait a few seconds for a thrashing server to swap that processes back in and and out a few time. |
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| 15:07.28 | Ramattack | themill, yes but the problem is when you run an isp for example and you need too many log files |
| 15:07.30 | simonrvn | Ramattack: the process doesn't have an idea of max fds |
| 15:07.47 | chops | Ramattack: Are you trying to solve a particular problem, or just asking for the general sake of learning? |
| 15:07.53 | Ramattack | simonrvn, but a process perhaps could not support very high limits |
| 15:07.55 | the_sniff | themill: i know, i was just checking if i'm seeing the big picture correctly |
| 15:07.57 | themill | the_sniff: wtf do log files have to do with this? |
| 15:07.57 | Ramattack | general |
| 15:08.05 | Ramattack | but thinking in thigs have happened to me |
| 15:08.07 | simonrvn | all it knows is "crap, i'm only allowed that much by the os, i can't open any more" |
| 15:08.07 | Ramattack | sometime ago |
| 15:08.18 | simonrvn | alturiak: it. doesn't. work. that. way. |
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| 15:08.24 | simonrvn | Ramattack: ^^^ |
| 15:08.28 | simonrvn | alturiak: sorry |
| 15:08.33 | the_sniff | themill log files? |
| 15:08.57 | the_sniff | themill what?:S |
| 15:09.06 | alturiak | eh :) |
| 15:09.24 | Ramattack | I see simonrvn but as we have said before some soft could have problems with very high limit of fd |
| 15:09.24 | themill | bah... |
| 15:09.34 | Ramattack | or with high limit of total openfiles |
| 15:09.58 | simonrvn | Ramattack: whatever odd idea you have there, forget it |
| 15:10.00 | the_sniff | themill oh, you were'nt talking to me lol |
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| 15:10.23 | streuner_ | simonrvn: "general learning, no target..." |
| 15:10.24 | Ramattack | simonrvn, well the issue I had with that apache was in solaris9 anyway :) yep |
| 15:10.29 | chops | Ramattack: It's possible, but unlikely. What you're talking about is extremely unlikely to be the root cause of any particular problem you've experienced in the past. |
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| 15:10.51 | Ramattack | no I have just been reading about open files |
| 15:11.03 | Ramattack | and remembered what happened to me in solaris that year |
| 15:11.06 | simonrvn | yeh, and got the wrong idea... |
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| 15:11.38 | Ramattack | I suppose perhaps I couldn't have that problem in debian because it supports more open files per user by default |
| 15:11.42 | streuner_ | simonrvn: :-P |
| 15:11.42 | Ramattack | unless more than solaris 9 |
| 15:12.19 | Ramattack | and though let's talk to debian mates what do they think :) |
| 15:12.33 | simonrvn | linux has a default open file max, debian doesn't set anything via /etc/security/limits.conf or sysctl |
| 15:12.50 | datachild | anyone using createtorrent? |
| 15:12.54 | Ramattack | well I say debian because I'm fan of debian and I always run it |
| 15:12.56 | simonrvn | no |
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| 15:13.01 | datachild | :( |
| 15:13.05 | Ramattack | debian r##lz |
| 15:13.16 | streuner_ | tell news |
| 15:13.32 | Ramattack | I love when in my benchmarks get 100 of load average in my servers :) :) :) :) |
| 15:13.38 | Ramattack | love debian :) |
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| 15:13.53 | Ramattack | well mates should go now :) |
| 15:14.18 | Ramattack | see u :) |
| 15:14.22 | Ramattack | thanks for all |
| 15:14.24 | Ramattack | bye!!! |
| 15:15.12 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 15:15.47 | simonrvn | enthusiastic, isn't he |
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| 15:19.06 | the_sniff | hah |
| 15:19.12 | the_sniff | i know whats the heavy load |
| 15:19.41 | the_sniff | i forgot this server had a sex video upload website (i don't touch it heh) the video encoding is what's causing 15m of apache proccess |
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| 15:21.29 | downhillgames | what's the syntax for adding etch-backports to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 15:21.38 | enzo | is it possible with the debian installer to install the /boot partition on a raid ? |
| 15:21.49 | streuner_ | downhillgames: read instructions at backports.org |
| 15:21.55 | downhillgames | streuner_: cheers |
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| 15:23.41 | yzaLyzarC | Hello |
| 15:23.57 | yzaLyzarC | Why does my debian box say my cpu is 650mhz when it is 600? |
| 15:24.14 | g-d | it's being generous |
| 15:24.16 | g-d | to you |
| 15:24.29 | yzaLyzarC | Can I make it more generous? |
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| 15:24.37 | g-d | I would just be thankful and not question it really |
| 15:24.45 | yzaLyzarC | Like jump up to 2400? |
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| 15:24.53 | g-d | depends on what you are willing to do for it |
| 15:24.54 | hoxu | yzaLyzarC, you have been scammed by the hardware vendor, sue them |
| 15:24.54 | g-d | in return |
| 15:25.32 | downhillgames | streuner_: perfect. ty :) |
| 15:25.36 | yzaLyzarC | Is athlon and duron the same socket? |
| 15:25.53 | abrotman | sometimes |
| 15:25.53 | downhillgames | yzaLyzarC: most, yes. |
| 15:26.00 | yzaLyzarC | Yaj |
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| 15:26.03 | abrotman | yzaLyzarC: or ask #hardware |
| 15:26.13 | yzaLyzarC | abrotman: You are also in web? |
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| 15:26.16 | downhillgames | anything 900mhz or higher is 462, probably. anything older probably Slot/Socket 7? |
| 15:26.24 | hoxu | s/#hardware/##hardware/ |
| 15:26.26 | abrotman | yzaLyzarC: i have internet .. yes ? |
| 15:26.35 | yzaLyzarC | No, #web. |
| 15:28.44 | abrotman | downhillgames: it's called #gentoo |
| 15:29.10 | abrotman | yzaLyzarC: i've been in #web .. i'm not there now |
| 15:29.38 | yzaLyzarC | abrotman: Do you know where admamn whent? |
| 15:29.45 | abrotman | yzaLyzarC: nope .. i don't go there that often |
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| 15:31.45 | Furoid | Hi! What's the difference between doing a GET command by yourself as root and when cron does it from crontab -e? |
| 15:32.16 | Furoid | The script the GET command launches should send an email to my account but the email is only delivered when I do the command by myself |
| 15:33.12 | ``y7 | is there a way to set synergy up to where it loads before it asks me for my username/password on bootup? |
| 15:33.32 | madclicker | hi, is there a way to get info on the motherboard from a running system? |
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| 15:33.35 | abrotman | !run at startup |
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| 15:33.35 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
| 15:33.41 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 15:33.41 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 15:33.43 | abrotman | madclicker: ^^ |
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| 15:33.50 | TASAIRES | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.59 | ``y7 | !run at startup |
| 15:34.00 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
| 15:34.01 | themill | ``y7: it would have to run as root to do that so I doubt it. You probably don't want to. |
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| 15:34.05 | TASAIRES | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.17 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:34.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:34.19 | Furoid | abrotman: You're the brain here, can you figure out my problem with the cron command? |
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| 15:34.23 | ``y7 | is it unsecure? |
| 15:34.23 | madclicker | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:34.25 | TASAIRES | Thanks!! |
| 15:34.30 | abrotman | Furoid: probably environment settings .. |
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| 15:34.41 | abrotman | Furoid: su - <username> -c "command" |
| 15:35.07 | Shadow_7 | Any tips why some apps (those designed for KDE) take five minutes before they actually start? Am I missing a package or something? |
| 15:35.17 | themill | ``y7: synergy does no authentication and isn't really tested for running on hostile networks. It's designed to be used locally or with an ssh tunnel. |
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| 15:35.28 | Furoid | abrotman: It's a script which is really best to run only once a day :/ so I cant test it out too often |
| 15:35.37 | chops | Shadow_7: You can use strace to find out what they're doing; that might give a clue |
| 15:35.37 | Shadow_7 | Apps like ktorrent and gkrellm |
| 15:35.45 | Furoid | abrotman: could it help if I put the command to /etc/crontab and run it with root-user? |
| 15:35.54 | abrotman | Furoid: so try what i said .. it wo'nt be any worse than it not functioning now |
| 15:35.59 | ``y7 | im using it locally, but the box is still on the internet |
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| 15:36.16 | Shadow_7 | Also what do I put in .xinitrc to start kde? exec kde-session? |
| 15:36.23 | Furoid | abrotman: the script works, but it doesn't send the summary email to my account :D |
| 15:36.36 | Furoid | when I run it as root it does send it |
| 15:36.56 | Shadow_7 | Not that I want to start kde. But I don't feel that it's completely installed, hence the delay in launching kde apps. |
| 15:37.04 | Shadow_7 | it's NOT even... |
| 15:38.45 | Shadow_7 | strace just pauses as well. clone(child_stack=0, flags=CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_CHILD_SETTID|SIGCHLD, child_tidptr-0xb66f1708) = 22730 |
| 15:38.48 | Shadow_7 | close (4) |
| 15:38.49 | TASAIRES | Need Help to taht site for AMD64 Debian 4.0r2, and AGP graphic Nvidia problem to xserver ----- My CPU is Sempron +3000 (Palermo) on mainboard Nforcer 3 250 of Gigabyte GA-K8NS |
| 15:39.03 | Shadow_7 | read(3, ***here it's just waiting*** |
| 15:39.10 | snot | Ive set up a raid1 which I backup to an external harddisk on a local server... however now I'm looking for a remote backup provider supporting ssh and about a 100GB storage for as little money as possible, recommendations? |
| 15:39.40 | petemc | rsync.net |
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| 15:39.51 | Furoid | snot: bqbackup.com |
| 15:39.52 | g-d | snot: Svensk Datalagring |
| 15:39.55 | dayid | snot:: tons of shared hosting companies will allow that - depending on how reliable you need the backup to be |
| 15:39.55 | g-d | they're really good |
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| 15:40.21 | snot | dayid: I know, and thats the problem |
| 15:40.35 | sparrw | I want to boot a linux box straight into a kiosk mode web browser. Auto login with startup items seems like overkill, I am considering replacing the gdm/kdm init.d entry with one that does "startx browserbinary -fullscreen" so nothing else runs. opinions? |
| 15:40.36 | snot | g-d: I'll look into that (being from dk my self :)) |
| 15:40.41 | g-d | snot: =) |
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| 15:40.48 | snot | Furoid: ok |
| 15:41.17 | Furoid | whole nordic here eh? |
| 15:41.20 | Furoid | any norwegian? |
| 15:41.40 | g-d | fortunately not. |
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| 15:41.44 | g-d | :P |
| 15:41.46 | snot | hehe |
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| 15:41.53 | g-d | just kidding |
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| 15:42.00 | g-d | my co-worker is norwegian. she's really cool |
| 15:42.13 | g-d | Error: Couldn't save configuration file: No space left on device |
| 15:42.14 | g-d | <3 |
| 15:42.28 | Erik1 | how can I install an Etch over an existing one without getting a 'debootstrap warning' |
| 15:42.34 | themill | g-d: so delete some of your pr0n collection |
| 15:42.42 | Furoid | it's stupid how all the other nordic languages are pretty same but finnish differs a lot |
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| 15:42.53 | g-d | themill: I have none. it's for security reasons that I fill up my disks! |
| 15:42.55 | g-d | :D |
| 15:42.56 | Furoid | ok back to the topic probably |
| 15:42.58 | snot | thanks a lot everyone, I'll go read :) |
| 15:43.17 | g-d | you can't hack me if you can't even write to the disk! |
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| 15:43.26 | the_sniff | anyone fimiliar with munin? im getting the files updated but they are empty |
| 15:43.39 | the_sniff | anyone knows why? |
| 15:43.39 | the_sniff | oh |
| 15:43.43 | the_sniff | the node doesn't run :P |
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| 15:43.46 | Shadow_7 | also, why is security.debian.org barfing on gzip? since when is it acceptable to have "security" fail? |
| 15:44.15 | chops | Shadow_7: What do you mean, "barfing"? |
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| 15:44.59 | Furoid | g-d so there's no downside on filling your computers with porn eh? It even makes the computer hacker safe |
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| 15:45.56 | tinus | hello, sorry for this ignorant question, but I was asked to install php5-mysql module on RHEL5. Is there a way to do this with yum in an equivalent way of apt-get? |
| 15:46.06 | tinus | if not, where can I find the packages for it? |
| 15:46.25 | tinus | 'yum list php' does not list it |
| 15:46.26 | Shadow_7 | chops: on dialup, so trying to recreate it. Been messing with sources.list. But it was downloading gzip, then complaining about something about it. |
| 15:46.31 | tinus | need I add a repository or so? |
| 15:46.49 | chops | Shadow_7: "Complaining about something"? |
| 15:47.15 | chops | tinus: Ask Red Hat? |
| 15:47.32 | tinus | oh haha, sorry |
| 15:47.41 | tinus | mind-slip, I thought I joined redhat |
| 15:47.48 | Shadow_7 | sorry, only 3K per second on dialup. And I removed security from the sources as work around. So it's having to redownload... be patient. |
| 15:48.18 | tinus | *ahum* |
| 15:48.23 | tinus | thx chops |
| 15:49.09 | Shadow_7 | Hmmm. removing it, updating, then re-adding it seems to have fixed it. |
| 15:49.18 | g-d | Furoid: haha |
| 15:49.37 | Furoid | abrotman: When I do the command su - root -c "command" it works normally, emails sent |
| 15:49.43 | abrotman | good? |
| 15:49.59 | Furoid | should I put the command in that format to the cron? |
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| 15:51.12 | Furoid | i mean the problem is the cronjob, it doesnt send the email |
| 15:51.23 | chops | tinus: np |
| 15:51.30 | Furoid | if I'm logged in as root and manually trigger the command it works normally, too |
| 15:51.44 | Shadow_7 | referencing an old xterm where it lingers... Err http://security.debian.org updates/main Packages /// 404 not Found [IP: 128.31.0.36 80 ] /// along with a bunch of Failed to fetch urls... (but that's not the original error) |
| 15:52.37 | Furoid | yep,, that's the case, I confirmed it |
| 15:52.49 | Shadow_7 | stupid strace pushing it out of the buffer. |
| 15:53.13 | abrotman | Furoid: su - <yourusername> -c "command" in the cronjob |
| 15:53.58 | Shadow_7 | Still takes forever for ktorrent to load. |
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| 15:54.27 | Furoid | abrotman: i tried that, no emails :/ |
| 15:54.30 | mick_home | hi, can someone tell me why i'm banned from #debianppc? i just tried to join (I haven't been in there for months) -- and i get a message saying: "[INFO]You are banned from this channel." |
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| 15:54.37 | g-d | Furoid: /sbin/su |
| 15:54.43 | mick_home | or is the channel having issues? |
| 15:54.48 | abrotman | Furoid: uhm ok |
| 15:54.54 | g-d | or where ever su may reside |
| 15:54.59 | Furoid | g-d? |
| 15:55.06 | abrotman | mick_home: msg an op for the channel and ask |
| 15:55.14 | g-d | does crontab know the path to su? |
| 15:55.19 | Shadow_7 | and gkrellm. /// connect(6, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(7634), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16 |
| 15:55.21 | g-d | or to the command? |
| 15:55.23 | chops | Shadow_7: When it hangs reading from FD 3, what is FD 3? You can investigate /proc/???/fd to find out, or look back in the strace output for "open(blah) = 3" |
| 15:55.31 | mick_home | abrotman: don't know an op in that channel off hand |
| 15:55.49 | abrotman | mick_home: /msg chanserv access ##debianppc list |
| 15:55.50 | Shadow_7 | maybe lo isn't configured yet...? |
| 15:56.04 | chops | Shadow_7: If lo weren't configured you'd have very serious problems |
| 15:56.09 | chops | Shadow_7: What version of Debian are you running? |
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| 15:56.15 | mick_home | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 15:56.28 | chops | Shadow_7: Also, what's up with the connect() call to port 7634? Does it hang after that? |
| 15:56.30 | abrotman | mick_home: or go to the one on OFTC |
| 15:56.47 | Shadow_7 | debian stable (etch) as installed from recent CD1+CD2+network (less than 30 days, and I have the speeding ticket to prove it). |
| 15:56.49 | mick_home | i think i know what the problem is |
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| 15:57.01 | mick_home | i think that a cloak was banned |
| 15:57.18 | Shadow_7 | chops: that's the last item listed in strace... as I wait for it to continue. |
| 15:57.57 | chops | Shadow_7: Hm, so it hangs without an open system call in strace? You could attach to the hanging process with gdb and see what it's doing, then. |
| 15:58.45 | Shadow_7 | I'm gonna make sure lo is in /etc/network/interfaces first. |
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| 15:59.09 | Shadow_7 | shows up in ifconfig -a, but not ifconfig. localhost is in /etc/hostname |
| 15:59.17 | Shadow_7 | in /etc/hosts even |
| 15:59.20 | chops | Shadow_7: Just typing /sbin/ifconfig will show you whether lo is up. |
| 15:59.33 | Shadow_7 | it's not up. but it's a valid interface. |
| 15:59.44 | chops | Shadow_7: That is a odd. Maybe you're right. Is "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:00.01 | chops | Shadow_7: Also, does the problem go away if you type 'ifup lo' and then restart KDE? |
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| 16:00.13 | jaj | Hi! |
| 16:00.21 | Shadow_7 | And otherwise missing from /etc/network/interfaces until now. |
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| 16:00.53 | Shadow_7 | just edited that. It only had two comments pointing at the docs for examples. |
| 16:00.53 | chops | Shadow_7: You want "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" in /etc/network/interfaces. I wonder how they managed to go missing from there... |
| 16:00.56 | jaj | I was wondering how I can get a list of leaf packages |
| 16:01.09 | chops | jaj: Packages that nothing depends on? Try apt-rdepends. |
| 16:01.12 | Kithylin | can anyone help me figure out how to download the net-install iso for Sarge(stable) ? i can't find it on any of the mirrors |
| 16:01.20 | chops | Kithylin: sarge is not stable, etch is |
| 16:01.26 | Kithylin | Oldstable |
| 16:01.32 | Kithylin | Whatever, i just want sarge, NOT etch |
| 16:01.32 | Shadow_7 | kind of not wanting to /etc/init.d/networking stop|start though. cause I'll loose this irc session. |
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| 16:01.44 | chops | Shadow_7: ifup lo |
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| 16:01.48 | Kithylin | is there some mirror i'm missing or something? |
| 16:02.01 | jaj | chops, thanks I'll look into that |
| 16:02.13 | Supaplex | Kithylin: it's old enough I doubt a lot of mirrors have it |
| 16:02.21 | Supaplex | !sarge |
| 16:02.21 | dpkg | somebody said sarge was Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:02.25 | Shadow_7 | did - ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up - instead |
| 16:02.29 | Kithylin | is 3.1 sarge? |
| 16:02.31 | Kithylin | aha |
| 16:02.36 | Kithylin | thanks |
| 16:02.51 | chops | Shadow_7: ifconfig in general is not sufficient to bring up an interface properly (for one, it doesn't set up the routes) |
| 16:02.54 | Shadow_7 | much better. ktorrent starts right up now. |
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| 16:03.13 | Shadow_7 | chops: well routing shouldn't be much of an issue for lo. |
| 16:03.18 | Kithylin | i have an older server made in 2000 that i'm trying to find an smp-enabled kernel for it (686), but none of the options under apt in etch work |
| 16:03.24 | Kithylin | they all kernel panic on boot, so i need something older |
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| 16:04.50 | screamingbytes | morning all |
| 16:05.01 | chops | Kithylin: What's the kernel panic? |
| 16:05.14 | Shadow_7 | Now I've got to figure out why kde is failing to start with startx. |
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| 16:05.15 | Kithylin | something with the raid card i think |
| 16:05.24 | Kithylin | because it makes the raid card scream at me when it panics |
| 16:05.29 | Kithylin | adaptec 2120s |
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| 16:05.36 | Shadow_7 | Even though it appears to be installed. And gnome-session and icewm-session work fine. |
| 16:05.37 | chops | Kithylin: Installing sarge on a server is not a good idea right now; security support for it will end soon |
| 16:05.42 | faclon | HI, I recently install debian etch but I got a problem, When I boot it when it gets to Begin: Waiting for root file system... ... it freeze and I need to reboot the computer, but it always get to the same error again and again |
| 16:05.45 | Shadow_7 | maybe it is/was a lo thing too. |
| 16:05.45 | Kithylin | i don't care |
| 16:05.47 | chops | Shadow_7: Put 'startkde' in .xinitrc? |
| 16:05.53 | Kithylin | it's behind a hardware firewall, it's fine |
| 16:06.12 | abrotman | Kithylin: all etch kernels are SMP |
| 16:06.19 | Kithylin | they don't work though |
| 16:06.23 | abrotman | sure they do |
| 16:06.26 | abrotman | i've got plenty of them |
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| 16:06.35 | abrotman | Kithylin: did you try turning off APIC ? |
| 16:06.35 | chops | abrotman: He's saying they don't work on _his_ hardware :-) |
| 16:06.46 | Kithylin | i tried that, it /saw/ all the procs in /proc/cpuinfo, but when i tried something cpu-intensive like tar'ing something it only used 25% (1 proc) |
| 16:06.51 | abrotman | chops: they make kernel options forthat! |
| 16:06.57 | jetscreamer | .xinitrc with startkde in it |
| 16:07.06 | abrotman | Kithylin: you might also want to look for a BIOS update |
| 16:07.39 | chops | Kithylin: Wait, you expected an SMP kernel to magically run a single-threaded process on all four CPUs simultaneously? |
| 16:07.39 | Kithylin | it's all updated already |
| 16:07.39 | Kithylin | it did in sarge, most processes would branch out fine |
| 16:07.39 | chops | Kithylin: You are mistaken, sir |
| 16:07.39 | abrotman | no they do'nt .. tar isn't threaded |
| 16:07.39 | Kithylin | tar worked, apache worked, ftp servers worked |
| 16:07.47 | Kithylin | i watched top, they'd all go out and use 100% on a 4-core box |
| 16:08.00 | Shadow_7 | didn't really want kde installed (100MB+, over dialup), but thought that it was responsible for kde apps having delay issues. |
| 16:08.15 | Kithylin | thanks anyway, i'll get sarge workin and be happy |
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| 16:08.32 | chops | Kithylin: Yes, SMP kernels will run multiple processes on multiple CPUs. But nothing a kernel will do for you will run a single-threaded process on more than one CPU at a time. |
| 16:08.34 | abrotman | sarge likely doesn't have support for that SATA controller |
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| 16:08.51 | creative | hy |
| 16:08.56 | Shadow_7 | and I'll probably get koffice setup eventually. Up to the O's in packages on my script to get to a similar state as my other unstable / development install. |
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| 16:09.06 | creative | how can i install kde4 on debinan sid ? |
| 16:09.18 | jetscreamer | compile it |
| 16:09.20 | abrotman | !kde4 |
| 16:09.20 | dpkg | i guess kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
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| 16:09.24 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 16:09.24 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. |
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| 16:10.01 | abrotman | yeah .. that'd be the next step :) |
| 16:10.06 | Shadow_7 | time to test kde... brb... |
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| 16:10.26 | jetscreamer | that was really for ralph^^ there |
| 16:10.34 | jetscreamer | but it fits that too |
| 16:11.18 | sparrw | I want to "xinit /usr/bin/firefox" when the computer boots, without anyone logging in. i tried adding a script to that effect to /etc/init.d and linking it in /etc/rc*.d, but no go. |
| 16:11.26 | jetscreamer | there are like 3 or 5 kde4 packages in sid... just like base-common-runtime or so ... |
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| 16:11.49 | chops | sparrw: /etc/rc.local? |
| 16:11.51 | jetscreamer | no kpat.. solitaire, conflicts with that |
| 16:12.05 | chops | sparrw: I would expect you to have to take care to set up the X authority stuff correctly, too |
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| 16:12.22 | sparrw | chops: hmm, how does that differ from rcX.d? does it run before or after? what sort of X authority stuff? |
| 16:12.25 | jetscreamer | if nobody logs in where will ff go? |
| 16:12.28 | chops | sparrw: After |
| 16:12.37 | sparrw | jetscreamer: what do you mean? |
| 16:12.40 | Kithylin | went afk a sec |
| 16:12.44 | Kithylin | I don't need a sata controller |
| 16:12.48 | jetscreamer | i mean where will the window show up |
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| 16:12.51 | Kithylin | the server i want to use it on is entirely scsi based |
| 16:12.53 | jetscreamer | the ff window |
| 16:12.58 | sparrw | jetscreamer: i want an X server (hence xinit) and firefox run as root |
| 16:13.09 | Supaplex | are you nuts? |
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| 16:13.15 | Shadow_7 | kde works... |
| 16:13.23 | Kithylin | running X and programs as root is not smart |
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| 16:13.27 | sparrw | Supaplex: no, just desperate. im trying to eliminate as many steps as possible |
| 16:13.30 | Kithylin | big security risk |
| 16:13.32 | abrotman | Kithylin: i thought you said adaptec 1210 ? |
| 16:13.37 | Kithylin | 2120s |
| 16:13.40 | sparrw | Kithylin: only if they have a keyboard. |
| 16:13.41 | Supaplex | sparrw: steps like what? |
| 16:13.47 | Shadow_7 | any idea why it doesn't show up in Programs->WindowManagers ? |
| 16:13.50 | sparrw | Supaplex: logging in. starting extra software. |
| 16:14.01 | sparrw | Supaplex: i want to eliminate as many possible points of failure in the process as i can |
| 16:14.04 | Supaplex | you may as well go use microsoft for that |
| 16:14.09 | Shadow_7 | thanks chops |
| 16:14.10 | jetscreamer | sparr_: you sure you're not looking for kiosk mode? |
| 16:14.10 | Supaplex | well, cept for failure |
| 16:14.11 | sparrw | if there was a browser-kiosk-mode distro, id use it |
| 16:14.16 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 16:14.22 | Supaplex | sparrw: debian-live ? |
| 16:14.24 | jetscreamer | kde-kiosk or so |
| 16:14.31 | sparrw | jetscreamer: way too much overhead |
| 16:14.31 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kiosk |
| 16:14.33 | sparrw | i dont want kde |
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| 16:14.37 | jetscreamer | there are others |
| 16:14.40 | Supaplex | you don't have to use kde |
| 16:14.41 | sparrw | too many ways to fail |
| 16:14.48 | chops | Shadow_7: np |
| 16:15.00 | Kithylin | i like xfce4 myself |
| 16:15.02 | Kithylin | small and light |
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| 16:15.09 | jetscreamer | ok then you wish to create your own custom selinux enabled locked down kiosk |
| 16:15.14 | Supaplex | flwm/openbox3 here :) |
| 16:15.22 | chops | sparrw: There are a _lot_ of ways for firefox-as-root to fail, too. Download file, save as /etc/shadow, overwrite? Yes. |
| 16:15.53 | Shadow_7 | I like icewm... small light, and net/cpu meters in the taskbar. |
| 16:15.53 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: he wants all three. cheap fast good |
| 16:15.54 | jetscreamer | ff can browse your filesystem |
| 16:15.56 | Shadow_7 | Plus fully customizeable colors/graphics. |
| 16:16.01 | themill | hang on... how do we have "I want to run firefox are root" and "I don't want to use kde because there are too many ways to fail" at the same time? |
| 16:16.06 | dayid | for kiosk, ratpoison+opera |
| 16:16.10 | sparrw | there are no files to download on the page this kiosk will see |
| 16:16.14 | Kithylin | i wonder if anyone's ported internet explorer to linux :D hehe |
| 16:16.32 | dayid | Kithylin:: look up BSOD, they have ;) |
| 16:16.33 | Shadow_7 | doesn't it run in wine now? |
| 16:16.33 | sparrw | dayid: i dont want a window manager at all, but thats moot, youve still skipped the "how to start ratpoison and opera" step |
| 16:16.33 | jetscreamer | ie4 was |
| 16:16.39 | jetscreamer | long ago |
| 16:16.43 | Kithylin | WTS bsod :D |
| 16:16.47 | Supaplex | Kithylin: wine has partially, and there's ies4linux - both have their issues. |
| 16:16.50 | dayid | sparrw:: I was never talking to you... so I could car eless |
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| 16:17.01 | jetscreamer | ms puts it out for solaris i think |
| 16:17.07 | sparrw | dayid: thank you for your pointless off topic contribution, then |
| 16:17.10 | jetscreamer | doesn't want linux using it though |
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| 16:17.20 | dayid | laf |
| 16:17.26 | sparrw | themill: we have them at the same time because they dont contradict in the instant case |
| 16:17.43 | themill | hmmmm |
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| 16:17.49 | Kithylin | linux doesn't bsod, it just kernel panics |
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| 16:18.03 | atealtha | update-rc.d is strange to me, I see I need to remove symlinks first, but the remove command requires that init.d scripts are removed before doing so, why is this? |
| 16:18.03 | sparrw | this kiosk is going to see one page. in full screen mode. with no links and no keyboard. |
| 16:18.11 | sparrw | interface security is not a concern |
| 16:18.22 | sparrw | reliability of the boot/reboot process is what im working on |
| 16:18.25 | dayid | sparrw:: sounds like you need a poster |
| 16:18.34 | Supaplex | even a pdf |
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| 16:18.42 | jetscreamer | ctrl+o to open a file in ff |
| 16:18.48 | Kithylin | until you get someone that walks up and loads a javascript that lets them brose your / folder with firefox, and because it's running as root, they delete things |
| 16:18.49 | sparrw | jetscreamer: no keyboard |
| 16:18.55 | jetscreamer | oh yeah no kb.. use mouse |
| 16:18.59 | sparrw | Kithylin: "loads a javascript"? |
| 16:19.03 | sparrw | jetscreamer: fullscreen browser |
| 16:19.04 | Kithylin | oh |
| 16:19.08 | Kithylin | no keyboard no mouse? |
| 16:19.11 | sparrw | yes mouse |
| 16:19.11 | Kithylin | nevermind then |
| 16:19.13 | sparrw | well, touchscreen |
| 16:19.31 | sparrw | so, one-button mouse |
| 16:19.48 | sparrw | no hover |
| 16:19.51 | sparrw | just left click |
| 16:19.58 | Kithylin | i dunno, seems scary to me |
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| 16:20.05 | Kithylin | at least run it as any kind of normal user >.< |
| 16:20.06 | Shadow_7 | Any reason ktorrent doesn't show up in the menus either? Aside from missing a /usr/share/menu/ entry... |
| 16:20.12 | sparrw | id love to run it as a normal user |
| 16:20.14 | jetscreamer | why reinvent the wheel is what i'm wondering |
| 16:20.16 | sparrw | as long as that user doesnt have to log in |
| 16:20.22 | sparrw | jetscreamer: where is the wheel that i am reinventing? |
| 16:20.27 | sparrw | id LOVE to find a ready made solution |
| 16:20.29 | jetscreamer | Shadow_7: you might try update-menus |
| 16:20.35 | jetscreamer | it's in your kiosk |
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| 16:20.43 | dayid | sparrw:: you can always set up a user to automatically login |
| 16:20.47 | dayid | through almost any dm |
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| 16:21.00 | sparrw | dayid: yes, and a dm is another step that can fail, and more software to run. |
| 16:21.02 | dayid | you can also always force them to start a program, even using their bashrc |
| 16:21.18 | crush_groove | brb |
| 16:21.19 | Shadow_7 | jetscreamer: wont be affected if it doesn't have an entry. |
| 16:21.25 | dayid | sparrw:: yes, and a hammer can fail when hitting a nail, but that doesn't mean that it hasn't been done 100,000 times without ever a problem |
| 16:21.28 | Supaplex | sparrw: don't blame the wm for your paranoia. ffs |
| 16:21.42 | dayid | sparrw:: saying "can fail" is ridiculous when they simply won't unless you break them |
| 16:21.46 | sparrw | i was using kdm because it seemed to have the best automatic login options... and after a few dozen reboots it just randomly provided a login prompt instead of continuing to auto login. so no more kdm for me, thanks |
| 16:21.59 | Shadow_7 | Not that I can't make an entry. Just odd that it doesn't get packaged with one. |
| 16:22.07 | jetscreamer | Shadow_7: well if it's not in the debian menu either.. yeah make one.. |
| 16:22.27 | chops | sparrw: You're not okay with using a WM to start X and log in a user, but you're okay with using firefox-as-root as a technology to display a single picture in an untrusted environment? |
| 16:22.35 | dayid | sparrw:: blaming software for your inability to use it is like blaming a gym for you not being fit |
| 16:22.35 | Shadow_7 | in SID it had one. |
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| 16:22.42 | Shadow_7 | but not in Etch |
| 16:22.43 | sparrw | chops: single picture? other than that, yes. |
| 16:22.46 | Supaplex | !tell sparrw -about init.d |
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| 16:22.58 | chops | sparrw: You said you just wanted to display a single thing with no links or UI, right? |
| 16:23.01 | Supaplex | sparrw: su -c firefox normaluser |
| 16:23.08 | sparrw | Supaplex: thats what im using now. but its not working for some reason. ive got a "xinit /usr/bin/firefox" script in there |
| 16:23.18 | sparrw | Supaplex: ok, ill try that |
| 16:23.22 | sparrw | chops: its a form with buttons |
| 16:23.28 | jetscreamer | uh... we don't have firefox in debian come to think of it |
| 16:23.33 | chops | sparrw: Ah, I see |
| 16:23.35 | Supaplex | sparrw: my bad, you'll need x :) haha totally forgot that. |
| 16:23.39 | sparrw | jetscreamer: i have links :-p |
| 16:23.42 | jetscreamer | lynx |
| 16:23.44 | Nyle | I have 3 processes of hald-addon-storage polling /dev/blahblah (every 2 sec) |
| 16:23.46 | Nyle | what is this?} |
| 16:24.01 | jetscreamer | ntfs-3g ? |
| 16:24.04 | Kithylin | i'd take a shot in the dark and say it's the hal daemon |
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| 16:24.07 | abrotman | sparrw: errors ? |
| 16:24.23 | edthefox | Nyle: specify what 'blahblah' is |
| 16:24.25 | sparrw | abrotman: not that i can find, i just get a normal console login prompt |
| 16:24.39 | chops | sparrw: I would advise using KDM and kiosk mode as a normal user. |
| 16:24.51 | abrotman | sparrw: there are errors somewhere |
| 16:24.56 | Nyle | edthefox: sda/sdb/sdc/sdd |
| 16:24.57 | sparrw | abrotman: ive got /etc/init.d/x-with-firefox linked at /etc/rc*.d/K99x-with-firefox |
| 16:24.59 | Nyle | pick one |
| 16:25.10 | Kithylin | sparrw: there's several pre-build linux kiosk packages i found in google, look at your query, i linked ya |
| 16:25.12 | chops | sparrw: Avoiding existing solutions to a security problem because you'd rather reinvent a simpler system seems unwise to me. Ultimately of course it's up to you. |
| 16:25.33 | Shadow_7 | anyway back to my script. cat dpkg_l.txt | while read LINE; do echo $LINE; apt-get -d -y install $LINE; done |
| 16:26.16 | sparrw | chops: i thought i had a good solution, until it failed. im not going to be around forever to fix these failures, so i need to leave as few failure points as possible. if i could find a nothing-but-kiosk-mode-browser distro, id take it. hell, the old QNX live floppy would work if it had a modern browser :) |
| 16:26.33 | Shadow_7 | 1.3G of packages so far. 7.8G disk useage. Maybe I shouldn't install so many games. Probably another gig of packages to get. |
| 16:26.40 | Nyle | i see what it is actually slowing my system down |
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| 16:26.49 | Nyle | there seems to be updatedb been running for 7 hours in htop |
| 16:26.49 | Nyle | wtf |
| 16:26.56 | Kithylin | oh, oops |
| 16:27.05 | Shadow_7 | Nyle: /etc/cron.daily/ |
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| 16:27.36 | Shadow_7 | used to only run once per day though. about 6:25am, way back when... |
| 16:27.40 | Kithylin | nevermind, this network is stupid >.< can't query |
| 16:27.43 | edthefox | Nyle: see this page about why your drives are getting polled --> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/hal/2006-March/004873.html |
| 16:28.28 | Shadow_7 | It used to be my alarm clock of sorts as my hard drive was soo noisey. |
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| 16:28.41 | bk__ | how i can decide what services i want debian to start automaticly |
| 16:29.04 | Shadow_7 | bk__: remove them one by one, until it wont boot. Then undo the last one you did. |
| 16:29.13 | thesuliban1980 | Does debian/etch support leap seconds? I tried to set it via the date command (just for trial) but I got an error message from the date command which says unsupportet format |
| 16:29.15 | Nyle | thank you |
| 16:29.19 | thesuliban1980 | invalid date „31/12/2008 23:59:60“ |
| 16:29.23 | Supaplex | sparrw: I just tried li:~# su -c "xinit `which firefox`" supaplex and it runs fine. what problems are you having with that? |
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| 16:30.08 | sparrw | Supaplex: it works fine for me too, until i try it from init |
| 16:30.15 | sparrw | Supaplex: then it Just Doesnt Work |
| 16:30.21 | jetscreamer | !rc |
| 16:30.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rc is Release-critical, or Release Candidate |
| 16:30.26 | jetscreamer | !rclocal |
| 16:30.26 | dpkg | somebody said rc.local was /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). |
| 16:30.28 | chops | thesuliban1980: I could easily see leap seconds not working in the date libraries... I would call that a minor bug myself. |
| 16:30.37 | Kithylin | there see if that went through |
| 16:30.49 | sparrw | i was trying from /etc/rcN.d/scriptname |
| 16:30.54 | sparrw | K99scriptname, that is |
| 16:30.58 | themill | thesuliban1980: date can certainly output dates in leap seconds. Not sure about setting time through it though. |
| 16:31.00 | Supaplex | I think it's a tty issue |
| 16:31.02 | chops | thesuliban1980: That said, on a real system the system clock drift will dwarf any effect of leap seconds, and any leap second error will be corrected by ntp if they're not handled properly. |
| 16:31.06 | sparrw | ill try rc.local next |
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| 16:31.24 | helo | how do i access this raid1 device from a livecd? |
| 16:31.35 | Shadow_7 | heh. I just add a /etc/rc#.d/S99zzz_myscript to take care of stuff I want to run at boot. |
| 16:31.43 | themill | helo: which livecd? |
| 16:31.45 | Kithylin | get a livecd that has drivers for your raid card, i imagine |
| 16:31.49 | sparrw | Kithylin: LinuxKiosk seems perfect... but its 3 years old :( i need a newer browser |
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| 16:31.55 | sparrw | for some definition of "need" |
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| 16:32.07 | themill | sparrw: newer browser? for displaying a single picture... |
| 16:32.08 | bk__ | Shadow_7: i misphrased the question.. how can i control wat services/deamons debian starts |
| 16:32.12 | helo | i don't know the mdadm commands to create the mdX without risking wiping out the existing raid |
| 16:32.23 | helo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.28 | jetscreamer | !sysv |
| 16:32.28 | dpkg | sysv is, like, dpkg --force-all --remove sysvinit && dpkg --force-all -i sysvinit && apt-get -f install |
| 16:32.36 | sparrw | themill: who said single picture? chops did. not me. |
| 16:32.39 | y | !linux |
| 16:32.39 | dpkg | i heard linux is closed |
| 16:33.00 | helo | dpkg: linux is pissed |
| 16:33.00 | dpkg | helo: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 16:33.18 | themill | sparrw: newer browser? for doing anything that is sufficiently trivial as you'd allow it to run as root? |
| 16:33.21 | jetscreamer | bk__: you want something like update-rc |
| 16:33.25 | themill | helo: quite messing with the bot |
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| 16:33.34 | bk__ | jetscreamer: yes i do. very much |
| 16:33.35 | sparrw | themill: yes. |
| 16:33.35 | helo | 'using' |
| 16:33.45 | sparrw | firefox from 3 years ago won't even have decent CSS2 support |
| 16:33.53 | Supaplex | use /query dpkg :) |
| 16:34.08 | Ranpha1 | Question when you boot and the root has to be checked for errors you see a progress bar. Only when i do a manual fsck i can't get a prograss bar. What is the option for this? |
| 16:34.37 | Supaplex | Ranpha1: man fsck |
| 16:34.51 | Shadow_7 | bk__: My method is the move them out of /etc/rc?.d/*. I move them so incase I want to re-add them later, I just move them back. Like if I broke something. But I generally don't move it unless it leaves something running in ps -Al. And I don't want it running. |
| 16:34.51 | helo | ahh... |
| 16:34.55 | helo | mdadm --examine --scan /dev/hda1 >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 16:34.56 | bk__ | jetscreamer: how do i use it ? (yes i know about man pages, but im in a hurry and i need to do this right away) |
| 16:35.10 | psycodad | is upgrading mysql4.0 to mysql4.1 on sarge with ~100 production database something you would do ? im looking for advice/oppinions before i get toasted by management for breakfast... |
| 16:35.16 | jetscreamer | i can't even remember the name of the stupid program |
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| 16:35.26 | jetscreamer | it's easy to use.. |
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| 16:35.33 | jetscreamer | or just do what Shadow_7 said |
| 16:35.48 | Supaplex | psycodad: I would back it up first :) I didn't have any problems following normal updates, but you never know. |
| 16:36.00 | jetscreamer | me i chmod -x /etc/init.d/whatever |
| 16:36.04 | bk__ | what is debians default runlevel? |
| 16:36.06 | jetscreamer | 2 |
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| 16:36.11 | jetscreamer | !runlevel |
| 16:36.12 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
| 16:36.16 | jetscreamer | there's it is |
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| 16:36.29 | bk__ | thanks |
| 16:36.33 | innocuous | Does Debian hide a lot of kernel processes? |
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| 16:36.40 | Supaplex | this 80x25 screen suxors :P |
| 16:36.50 | jetscreamer | !info rcconf |
| 16:36.54 | psycodad | Supaplex: suresure, i just found out php and mysql are not aware of the word backwards compatibility... so i fear to exchange new features against the loss of used features |
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| 16:37.04 | Shadow_7 | bk__: the methodology of which is something like: fine /etc/rc?.d/ -iname '*<thing>*' >> temp.txt; cat temp.txt | while read LINE; do LINE2=`cat $LINE | sed 's/^\///' | sed 's/\//\_/g'`; mv $LINE $LINE2; done |
| 16:37.16 | Kithylin | back, had to run to the loo |
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| 16:37.22 | Shadow_7 | I nano temp.txt first to make sure I'm not grabbing something I don't want to. |
| 16:37.34 | Kithylin | sparrw: you said you were looking for pre-configured packages for kiosks, so that's what google came up with |
| 16:37.39 | Shadow_7 | And I do an echo before using mv to make sure the parms are what I want. |
| 16:37.53 | bk__ | this server starts AppleTalk for some reason. and its an important webserver so id ont want any useless stuff |
| 16:37.54 | Supaplex | psycodad: perl+Pg ftw :-D yeah, that sucks generally. you could ask the mysql ppl for a totally unbiased opinion *cough* |
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| 16:38.18 | Shadow_7 | bk__: fine /etc/rc?.d/ -iname '*apple*' |
| 16:38.18 | dpkg | rcconf: (Debian Runlevel configuration tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.19 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 16:38.23 | Supaplex | bk__: well uninstall the appletalk related nonsense if you're not using it. |
| 16:38.31 | Shadow_7 | or just uninstall it. |
| 16:38.32 | themill | dpkg: you're slow |
| 16:38.33 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
| 16:39.09 | bk__ | !nag |
| 16:39.10 | dpkg | nag is probably the Network Administrator's Guide, available at linuxdoc.org |
| 16:39.23 | psycodad | Supaplex: i agree 101%, i am more on python-pgsql or python-sqlite but well.... hehe totally unbiased, i liked that one. anyway, thx for your answers |
| 16:39.31 | bk__ | and what the hell is exim4? |
| 16:39.42 | bk__ | and natatalk |
| 16:39.43 | chops | bk__: apt-cache show exim4 |
| 16:39.48 | jetscreamer | !tell bk__ -about search |
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| 16:40.11 | edthefox | or !info exim4 |
| 16:40.11 | bk__ | !tell jetscreamer about little time |
| 16:40.12 | Shadow_7 | I tend to just install everything. Then disable from the startups. As I'm on dialup, and should I ever want/need to use something it's just nicer to have it there already. |
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| 16:40.38 | tralala | !+tell bk__ -about plonk |
| 16:40.38 | dpkg | told bk__ about plonk. |
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| 16:41.22 | themill | tralala: nice one :) |
| 16:41.23 | sebastian^ | heyho all :) |
| 16:41.33 | tralala | themill, it did the trick :) |
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| 16:43.59 | Almindor | hello |
| 16:44.03 | Kithylin | Hi |
| 16:44.13 | Kithylin | how can we help? :D |
| 16:44.31 | Almindor | if I want to make "generic" debian packages (eg: stuff which depends on few things and can be packaged for more distroes, also older releases), which version would you suggest? |
| 16:44.35 | S3v3N | Hi. "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" is that all if I want to update my server? |
| 16:44.45 | Almindor | the app only needs gtk2+ (2.4 or newer AFAIK) and libaspell.15 |
| 16:44.48 | Almindor | 0.15 that is |
| 16:45.13 | Almindor | (I need to also test this on 32bit version, I'm currently residing on 64 bits) |
| 16:45.14 | jetscreamer | S3v3N: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 16:45.57 | jetscreamer | S3v3N: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade , or aptitude upgrade .. there is a new aptitude directive, safe-upgrade, which just means upgrade i believe |
| 16:45.59 | Almindor | possibly still also kernel 2.4.. |
| 16:46.33 | chops | Almindor: Is this software open source? |
| 16:46.39 | Almindor | chops, yes |
| 16:46.57 | Almindor | chops, but it's not easily buildable |
| 16:47.45 | chops | Almindor: I would advise trying to get it into the archives as the easiest way of packaging it for Debian (repeating for other Linux distros is an exercise left for the reader...) |
| 16:47.46 | Almindor | minimal older debian, minimal older rpm-distro and possibly freeBSD 5.x |
| 16:48.11 | Almindor | I don't think they'll accept something which cannot be auto-built |
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| 16:48.19 | chops | Almindor: The best way I've seen of packaging for multiple distros has been the proprietary software that just links everything statically and ships a single executable, honestly |
| 16:48.36 | Almindor | linking gtk2 static? are you mad? :) |
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| 16:48.43 | Almindor | the RTL is static tho (smartlinked so it's not big) |
| 16:49.00 | chops | Almindor: I don't think there's a useful middle ground between that and shipping source which can be compiled locally by end-users or placed in the vendor's archive |
| 16:49.13 | Almindor | it can be compiled by users |
| 16:49.15 | Almindor | but not by machines |
| 16:49.20 | chops | Almindor: Just my (probably unpopular) opinion... |
| 16:49.37 | Almindor | (eg: requires to actually compile in an IDE) |
| 16:49.59 | chops | Almindor: Well, that's your problem right there. If it's a Linux executable, it really should be automatically buildable. |
| 16:50.06 | Almindor | there's "build" tool for it but it's bleeding edge so far, so they can't get it other than by source too etc. |
| 16:50.11 | chops | Almindor: (ideally by make) |
| 16:50.30 | Almindor | it WOULD be but the IDE which was used for it doesn't separate it's lib parts yet |
| 16:50.41 | Almindor | so you simply need to get the whole IDE to make it anyhow |
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| 16:53.07 | sparrw | this should not be this hard |
| 16:53.09 | ToNight | Need money??? go heeeree ---> http://nofate.clan.su |
| 16:53.09 | ToNight | Need money??? go heeeree ---> http://nofate.clan.su |
| 16:53.10 | ToNight | Need money??? go heeeree ---> http://nofate.clan.suNeed money??? go heeeree ---> http://nofate.clan.suNeed money??? go heeeree ---> http://nofate.clan.su |
| 16:53.11 | ToNight | Need money??? go heeeree ---> http://nofate.clan.su |
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| 16:53.15 | sparrw | i just want a kiosk mode browser |
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| 16:53.24 | sparrw | expected this problem to take 5 minutes to solve |
| 16:54.59 | dayid | no, you want a kiosk OS, as you won't just use a browser on kiosk mode |
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| 17:06.54 | screamingbytes | what ntp program is most commonly used? openntp or ntp |
| 17:07.10 | screamingbytes | sry openntpd |
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| 17:08.00 | screamingbytes | is there a netsplit going on or what? |
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| 17:08.35 | chops | Random question: Does anyone know how to output the value of a preprocessor define at compile-time (ideally inside an #error directive)? |
| 17:08.41 | chops | From C that is |
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| 17:09.51 | apt_get | Debian ETCH can work together OpenSSI and DRBD? |
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| 17:11.12 | asusu | chops: info cpp, there's a node about it. |
| 17:11.42 | abrotman | !tell donald_ about laptop |
| 17:11.45 | abrotman | !tell donald_ about thinkpad |
| 17:12.15 | donald_ | abrotman: thanks. but i wanna see if anyone here uses one.. |
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| 17:12.27 | abrotman | donald_: ask a more specific question |
| 17:12.27 | cahoot | donald_: look up thinkwiki.org unless already done so |
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| 17:12.57 | chops | asusu: thx, installing gcc-doc now |
| 17:12.58 | donald_ | cahoot: been there too long.. |
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| 17:13.19 | asusu | chops: info cpp, then * Macros:: -> * Stringification :: |
| 17:13.20 | donald_ | abrotman: on lenny, the Fn+ brightness controls are erratic |
| 17:13.22 | cahoot | donald_: t61 runs fine on lenny here |
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| 17:13.49 | kombi | can't get ffmpeg to convert video with sound, do I need lame installed? |
| 17:13.49 | donald_ | cahoot: does the Fn+Home/End control brightness properly? |
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| 17:14.06 | amphi | donald_: did you look at thinkwiki.org or the linux-thinkpad list archives? |
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| 17:14.30 | chris__ | hello, i am running etch i386 and have installed the latest kernel update. now i have to rebuilt the vmware modules, but there seem to be no linux-headers installed. how come? i had them installed before for when configuring vmware to run with the previous kernel.. |
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| 17:15.13 | donald_ | amphi: yea. not much help there |
| 17:15.27 | yzaLyzarC | Is debian for 64bit ready? |
| 17:15.34 | donald_ | though i should dig linux-thinkpad list. |
| 17:15.37 | chops | yzaLyzarC: Yes |
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| 17:15.48 | abrotman | donald_: don't use them? :) |
| 17:15.56 | chops | asusu: Hm, I installed gcc-4.3-doc and 'info cpp' still shows me the man page :-/ |
| 17:15.57 | yzaLyzarC | Does it have i138 software? all of it? and wine? |
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| 17:16.11 | abrotman | donald_: FWIW .. my brightness buttons work fine on my older thinkpad |
| 17:16.22 | mark6 | can anyone help me with kplaylist? i have no audio when streaming from flash box |
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| 17:16.42 | donald_ | abrotman: awwwwww |
| 17:16.51 | chris__ | mark6: you can ask in channel #kde, they know better |
| 17:17.02 | mark6 | i am using gnome |
| 17:17.10 | mark6 | does tha matter? |
| 17:17.41 | chris__ | mark6: as far as i know, no, but the app itself is kde, so better ask in #kde |
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| 17:17.55 | mark6 | ok thankyou |
| 17:18.03 | yzaLyzarC | Is 64bit wine done? Would I get less software? |
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| 17:21.15 | asusu | chops: oh well, check the last part here: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/info2www?(cpp.info)Stringification |
| 17:21.26 | angasule | hello, I have some pdfs I want to view in a computer without X11, I thought about converting them to html and see them in links2, but pdftohtml seems unable to output html with images, any tools you can recommend? it's best if they're offline tools |
| 17:22.24 | NickBurnsSNL | Greetings and salutations to all ... |
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| 17:27.02 | LucidFox | What is Ubuntu? |
| 17:28.13 | chris__ | LucidFox: learn how to use search engine. open your browser and enter www.google.com |
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| 17:28.27 | jetscreamer | it's a clone |
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| 17:29.21 | LucidFox | chris__> Okay, I opened the Google home page... what now? |
| 17:29.53 | chris__ | enter the term you want to search fow and hit enter |
| 17:30.09 | LucidFox | thanks, that helped! :) |
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| 17:31.47 | NickBurnsSNL | Any postgresql users? Did an update today, and got a message about "Obsololete major version 8.2" ?? This is the latest version, 8.3 is an RC right now, but for (Testing/Lenny) I thought 8.2 was the correct version. |
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| 17:33.24 | jetscreamer | so what is this google thing? is that like a googol? |
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| 17:35.04 | Cr3ature | how do you use gem files |
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| 17:36.00 | zophy | http://www.hurtwood.demon.co.uk/Fun/copter.swf |
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| 17:39.07 | faclon | may someone help me, I have install debian, but it doesn't connect to the internet, I can ping to local computers but not outside |
| 17:39.34 | faclon | I already check /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:40.11 | lepton | faclon: did it get a DHCP lease? is a default gateway set? |
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| 17:40.29 | faclon | no, I set a static ip address |
| 17:40.37 | kombi | can someone give me a jumpstart on ffmpeg? |
| 17:40.40 | lepton | thery ya go |
| 17:40.48 | faclon | When I set that same information on another computer it connects fine, but not in this one |
| 17:41.00 | faclon | both computers running debian etch |
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| 17:41.40 | lepton | faclon: is a dhcp server on the lan? a hardware-based router for example? |
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| 17:49.19 | Ryan52 | In my dmz I set up a loghost. What port do I have to open to allow the other servers to send stuff to it? |
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| 17:49.51 | Kithylin | this is driving me up the wall |
| 17:50.11 | Ryan52 | Kithylin: What? |
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| 17:50.28 | Kithylin | how the heck do i force apt to use sarge, NOT the current stable, i've tried modifying my sources.list to point to http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/sarge/ but it keeps saying unmet dependancies when i install stuff, and "will not be installed" |
| 17:50.30 | Kithylin | argh, so annoying |
| 17:50.54 | chops | Kithylin: Can you pastebin your sources.list and the exact command you're typing with all the error output? |
| 17:51.06 | Kithylin | yeah i guess |
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| 17:51.27 | chops | Kithylin: Well then, I _guess_ I can try to help you :-) |
| 17:51.33 | Kithylin | call me stupid, but i want to use kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp NOT some current version >.< |
| 17:51.53 | kombi | would someone not a .deb of ffmpeg with mp3 and aac support? |
| 17:52.36 | Kithylin | gimme a sec |
| 17:53.06 | chops | Kithylin: Wait, are you doing this on a sarge system, or an etch system, or what? Can you include 'apt-cache policy libc6' in your pastebin? |
| 17:53.22 | Kithylin | sarge system |
| 17:53.31 | Kithylin | http://www.fawksee.com/kithylin/misc/dell-error.txt |
| 17:53.32 | stoned | I have 2 sarges here |
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| 17:53.46 | stoned | lamp and ftp/samba/nfs |
| 17:53.53 | stoned | 1.3 apache and php4 |
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| 17:54.00 | chops | Kithylin: Have you done 'apt-get update'? |
| 17:54.02 | stoned | heh, is there any reason forme to update? |
| 17:54.05 | Kithylin | yeah, so i'm not insane to want to use old software |
| 17:54.10 | Kithylin | and yes i have |
| 17:54.14 | stoned | Kithylin: you're not the only one |
| 17:54.19 | chops | stoned: Security support for sarge is going to end in a few months, probably |
| 17:54.19 | stoned | Kithylin: older stuff is very stable |
| 17:54.29 | stoned | chops: other than that not really any reason :) |
| 17:54.30 | Kithylin | chops:i don't care |
| 17:54.42 | LeGreffi3R | Kithylin> an update won't upgrade your software |
| 17:54.42 | Kithylin | i have an older box, i want older packages for it |
| 17:54.46 | chops | stoned: Not unless you need more recent software for any reason |
| 17:55.23 | chops | Kithylin: Can you pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy libc6' (like I asked before) and 'apt-cache policy initrd-tools'? |
| 17:55.37 | Kithylin | yeah one sec, i have to make a txt file and upload it |
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| 17:56.36 | Kithylin | http://www.fawksee.com/kithylin/misc/dell-error2.txt |
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| 17:56.50 | chops | Kithylin: FWIW, 2.6.8-2 is missing some security updates; you really want 'kernel-image-2.6-686' (which has a dependency on the security-updated kernel). |
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| 17:57.06 | Kithylin | hrmmm |
| 17:57.08 | chops | Kithylin: You're running an etch system, at least partially. That's why you can't install a sarge kernel. |
| 17:57.13 | Kithylin | well |
| 17:57.16 | chops | Kithylin: Your libc6 comes from etch |
| 17:57.29 | Kithylin | i downloaded the sarge netinstall cd and it picked stable, and it went to install base system and this is what it installed |
| 17:57.55 | chops | Kithylin: It picked stable instead of sarge? Ugh, unless you told it to do so that's a nasty bug in the installer |
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| 17:58.09 | Kithylin | see the commented out parts in my sources.list? |
| 17:58.10 | stoned | no |
| 17:58.12 | stoned | it isn't |
| 17:58.12 | Kithylin | that's what the installer put in |
| 17:58.18 | stoned | it depends on how you use the sources.list file |
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| 17:58.19 | visik7 | hi |
| 17:58.24 | stoned | stable points to etch |
| 17:58.28 | stoned | while sarge points to sarge |
| 17:58.29 | Kithylin | yeah |
| 17:58.30 | Kithylin | hrmm |
| 17:58.32 | chops | Kithylin: Probably best to redo the install. Certainly the installer _should_ provide an easy way to do a sarge install even after etch releases (which isn't to say that it does). |
| 17:58.40 | visik7 | I've a HP ML 110 G5 etch doesn't support bcm5722 integrated gigabit card |
| 17:58.45 | visik7 | how can I use it ? |
| 17:58.51 | ``y7 | i changed my ip in the gui interface with debian and now i'm unable to connect to the internet |
| 17:58.53 | Kithylin | i guess during the base install part, i'll have to switch to tty2, login, and tell sources.list to use sarge before it downloads anything |
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| 17:59.02 | chops | Kithylin: Yeah, maybe |
| 17:59.09 | stoned | or, if you had the sarge installer, and you loaded expert mode or priority=low boot param, then yes, it gives an option to pick the debian release, and you pick stable, you'll get etch |
| 17:59.14 | stoned | not sarge |
| 17:59.17 | stoned | that isn't really a bug |
| 17:59.24 | stoned | more a moron user :) |
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| 17:59.25 | Kithylin | hrmm |
| 17:59.32 | Kithylin | any way to pick sarge in expert? |
| 17:59.33 | chops | stoned: IMHO it is. sources.list should _never_ have "stable" in it. |
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| 17:59.44 | stoned | chops: file a bugreport |
| 17:59.51 | stoned | this behavrious continues to this day |
| 18:00.07 | Kithylin | well |
| 18:00.08 | Kithylin | crap |
| 18:00.13 | Kithylin | hey stoned |
| 18:00.15 | stoned | hi |
| 18:00.22 | Nyle | what can I do you for? |
| 18:00.23 | Kithylin | the un-commented parts of my sources.list, that's correct for sarge,. right? |
| 18:00.30 | Nyle | no clue |
| 18:00.36 | Kithylin | http://www.fawksee.com/kithylin/misc/dell-error.txt |
| 18:00.51 | Nyle | oh crap i clicked open with mozila |
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| 18:01.03 | Kithylin | it's just a text file |
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| 18:01.09 | amphi | !pal Nyle |
| 18:01.17 | Nyle | they are fine |
| 18:01.23 | Kithylin | alright |
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| 18:01.34 | Kithylin | so i'll try another install and try and modify the sources during base install |
| 18:01.42 | Kithylin | sucks i have to do that to use old stuff, ah well, maybe i can get it workin :) |
| 18:01.45 | Nyle | I would just use canonical names instead of stable/unstable/etc. etc. |
| 18:01.54 | Kithylin | bbl |
| 18:02.02 | Nyle | I specify names like etch/lenny in my souces.list, and not stable/testing etc. etc. |
| 18:02.05 | Kithylin | Thanks for your input all |
| 18:02.45 | chops | Nyle: Yeah, agreed. I don't see why the installers have ever written 'stable' to sources.list |
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| 18:03.42 | esimmers | Hello, is there a recommended hardware requirements for encrypted LVM? |
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| 18:07.00 | kithylin | there |
| 18:07.01 | sm | morning all.. what's that tool for managing unpackaged software in /usr/local, in a semi packaged way ? |
| 18:07.10 | kithylin | sitting in the other room with the large 7-u dell box with laptop |
| 18:07.22 | themill | sm: checkinstall |
| 18:07.28 | visik7 | is 2.6.22 from backport kernel safe ? |
| 18:07.39 | kithylin | who was talking to me about old sarge a minute ago? |
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| 18:08.19 | datachild | how do i execute php files on command line if my php-dir isn't /usr/bin/php ? |
| 18:08.30 | sm | thanks themill.. is there another similar tool ? I remember a different name |
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| 18:08.52 | sm | also is apt-get source roughly equivalent to bsd/osx's ports system ? |
| 18:09.00 | themill | sm: you could also use dh_make or similar, I guess. |
| 18:09.10 | flipouk | datachild: where is your php executable then? |
| 18:09.14 | chops | sm: stow |
| 18:09.22 | sm | that was it! |
| 18:09.25 | Nyle | hi it has been a while since I mounted ntfs |
| 18:09.33 | chops | datachild: Make a link at /usr/bin/php, or run 'php scriptname' by hand |
| 18:09.45 | chops | kithylin: I was talking to you earlier |
| 18:09.45 | Nyle | what is the correct way (usermask uid/gid specification to make sure it can be read by users and such |
| 18:09.45 | kithylin | meh |
| 18:09.50 | Nyle | specify what, 0222? |
| 18:09.56 | Nyle | !ntfs |
| 18:09.56 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 2 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and NTFS-3G, a FUSE driver able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the latter, ask me about <ntfs-3g>. See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
| 18:09.57 | flipouk | !#/path/to/php -q... as first line of your script |
| 18:09.59 | kithylin | i was gonna query em about old hardware, but i dun remember who it was now >.< |
| 18:10.00 | kithylin | darn ADD |
| 18:10.13 | Nyle | !ntfsro |
| 18:10.13 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 18:10.22 | Nyle | hmm |
| 18:10.48 | datachild | flipouk, the thing is that i have this script wich refers /usr/bin/php to be able to run.. but /usr/bin/php is empty?, altho i have php installed |
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| 18:11.00 | tralala | !+tell Nyle -about msg the bot |
| 18:11.00 | sm | I'll assume apt-get source *is* roughly equivalent to bsd/osx's ports system |
| 18:11.00 | dpkg | told Nyle about msg the bot. |
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| 18:11.26 | Nyle | sorry |
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| 18:12.12 | loXx | hi. I have installed the nvidia-driver with module-assistant (FAQ) some time ago. Now, after a kernel update in etch, the driver is only available in the old kernel, but not in the new one. Is it possible to automatically reinstall the nvdia-driver after a kernel update? |
| 18:12.13 | tralala | sm, I don't know the systems in question, but apt-get source doesn't handle source dependencies |
| 18:12.22 | sm | ohh |
| 18:12.32 | sm | I thought it did |
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| 18:12.41 | chops | loXx: Not automatically that I know of; you'll have to redo the m-a process to build it against the new kernel |
| 18:12.47 | flipouk | datachild: you need to install php-cli |
| 18:12.56 | datachild | aha! |
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| 18:12.56 | sm | thanks tralala |
| 18:13.07 | datachild | flipouk, apt-get install php-cli ? |
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| 18:13.08 | kithylin | awwwww |
| 18:13.10 | kithylin | stoned left :( |
| 18:13.10 | tralala | sm, nope, it simply downloads and unpacks the packages you ask |
| 18:13.28 | tralala | sm, but there is something else... let me check |
| 18:13.39 | ``y7 | i accidentally ran screen and then firefox from root. is there a potential problem doing this? |
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| 18:13.46 | Nyle | I'm here |
| 18:13.47 | ``y7 | as long as i log out of root afterwards? |
| 18:13.49 | Nyle | kithylin: right here. |
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| 18:13.59 | flipouk | datachild: sudo apt-get install php5-cli |
| 18:14.03 | themill | sm: apt-get build-dep packagename && apt-get -b source packagename |
| 18:14.04 | Nyle | !tell kithylin -about stoned |
| 18:14.06 | Nyle | heh |
| 18:14.09 | loXx | chops: ok, i though there was an easier solution for lazy ones ;) |
| 18:14.12 | kithylin | lol |
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| 18:14.23 | flipouk | datachild: or look for it: apt-cache search php | grep cli |
| 18:14.23 | sm | nice, thanks |
| 18:14.37 | datachild | works |
| 18:14.38 | datachild | thanks! |
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| 18:14.46 | flipouk | :) |
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| 18:15.16 | tralala | sm, this doesn't build all the sources howerver - it gets the binary deps and only builds the package you asked |
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| 18:15.25 | tralala | sm, check out pbuilder |
| 18:16.02 | themill | cowdancer, ftw |
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| 18:16.24 | sm | nice |
| 18:16.32 | ChemicalBit | Aptitude complain me that some package (like linux-image-2.6-686 and gcc) are from an untrusted source. Howcan I get from where a package is? |
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| 18:16.49 | Nyle | apt-cache policy |
| 18:17.20 | jetscreamer | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key |
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| 18:17.50 | ulrik | (from the /topic) |
| 18:18.25 | datachild | flipouk, i get php working but there's no /usr/bin/php?, should i edit the script and the path to /wherever/php/is ? so i can run it? |
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| 18:18.34 | datachild | but where should that be? |
| 18:18.38 | datachild | or, would |
| 18:18.58 | chops | datachild: Where is your PHP? |
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| 18:19.12 | chops | datachild: Do you just want that one script to run against your PHP, or all the PHP scripts on the system? |
| 18:19.24 | datachild | chops, just that one script |
| 18:19.40 | chops | datachild: Edit the #!/usr/bin/php line in the script to say #!/path/to/your/php |
| 18:19.48 | datachild | oki |
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| 18:20.06 | datachild | what is the usual path to php?, or php5 for that matter? |
| 18:20.15 | chops | datachild: flipouk already told you that |
| 18:20.18 | jetscreamer | !locate |
| 18:20.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, locate is a tool for finding files on your hard drive using a precompiled database rather than searching the actual drive using "find" (ask me about <find.cli>). Alternatives to the original locate are <slocate> and mlocate. Under etch, locate is in the findutils package. If you are running lenny, ask me about <missing locate>. |
| 18:20.22 | chops | datachild: The usual path is /usr/bin/php |
| 18:20.23 | wols_ | datachild: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 18:20.25 | datachild | aha |
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| 18:20.49 | wols_ | datachild: that's php5-cli which is rarely if ever used. the apache mod works totally differently |
| 18:20.57 | chops | datachild: Where is your php, and why isn't it in the standard place? |
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| 18:21.33 | datachild | that'sa pretty good question, chops, i dont know.. it's not in /usr/bin/php atleast.. |
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| 18:22.00 | chops | datachild: How did you install php? |
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| 18:22.45 | datachild | apt-get install php5 |
| 18:22.46 | datachild | ? |
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| 18:23.15 | flipouk | php5-cli is to execute scripts on the command line |
| 18:23.35 | chops | datachild: You need to install php5-cli as well. You've already been told that, as well. |
| 18:23.43 | flipouk | to use php to do shell programming |
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| 18:23.48 | datachild | yeah, i already did that chops |
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| 18:24.05 | chops | datachild: ... and you don't have /usr/bin/php? |
| 18:24.13 | flipouk | or cgi scripts, possible |
| 18:24.22 | flipouk | s/possible/possibly |
| 18:24.26 | jetscreamer | ls /usr/bin/php* ? |
| 18:24.44 | datachild | chops, nope |
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| 18:25.27 | kithylin | ohh man i made a mistake |
| 18:25.29 | kithylin | oh well lol |
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| 18:25.36 | kithylin | i think it'll work out in the end |
| 18:25.40 | flipouk | datachild: is php-common installed? |
| 18:25.47 | jetscreamer | just restore from that backup you made... |
| 18:25.50 | kithylin | lol |
| 18:25.52 | kithylin | well |
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| 18:26.01 | kithylin | i tried to force it to use only sarge, since /stable points to etch |
| 18:26.02 | datachild | flipouk, no |
| 18:26.13 | jetscreamer | you would put oldstable in your sources |
| 18:26.18 | kithylin | so i killed the post-install configure and changed sources myself and forced it to sarge |
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| 18:26.35 | kithylin | thought i'd go into aptitude and install everything under 'base' in not-installed, bad idea |
| 18:26.47 | atari | hi |
| 18:26.49 | kithylin | i mean, it'll work, but it's downloading all the kernels, rofl |
| 18:26.52 | flipouk | datachild: php-common is normally a dep when you install php-cli |
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| 18:27.08 | flipouk | try installing it separately, maybe... |
| 18:27.27 | flipouk | sudo apt-get install php5-common |
| 18:27.39 | jetscreamer | aptitude |
| 18:27.40 | flipouk | but your install is weird... |
| 18:27.41 | kithylin | good thing i'm on fios and this goes fast |
| 18:27.55 | atari | how can i find out whether a special maintainer is available in irc? |
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| 18:28.02 | jetscreamer | try aptitude dist-upgrade , imo, datachild |
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| 18:28.45 | abrotman | atari: /whois ? |
| 18:28.49 | flipouk | datachild: if you're running an old version of Debian, php5 might not be there |
| 18:28.58 | flipouk | php4 is maybe a better bet |
| 18:29.05 | datachild | did the aptitude-dist-upgrade |
| 18:29.26 | jetscreamer | did it do anything, datachild ? |
| 18:29.27 | atari | abrotman: so i should check 800 nicks? :/ |
| 18:29.31 | datachild | jetscreamer, yes |
| 18:29.34 | datachild | hold on |
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| 18:29.38 | abrotman | atari: you don't know his nick ? |
| 18:29.39 | jetscreamer | figured |
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| 18:29.48 | atari | abrotman: thats the problem |
| 18:29.53 | abrotman | atari: so what's his name?. |
| 18:29.59 | jetscreamer | . |
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| 18:30.11 | abrotman | (and i doubt {s}he's in this channel anyways |
| 18:30.11 | atari | abrotman: Lionel Elie Mamane |
| 18:30.24 | abrotman | atari: why not just email him ? |
| 18:30.25 | atari | it's about mailman ;) |
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| 18:30.36 | datachild | hmm, is perl broken too maybe?, i keep getting perl: warning thingy's |
| 18:30.47 | atari | abrotman: because in irc it would be a one-liner ;) |
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| 18:30.59 | jetscreamer | you 'might' have better luck with such a search on irc.debian.org #debian , atari ... not sure |
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| 18:31.13 | abrotman | atari: he doesn't have an irc nick listed in the database |
| 18:31.17 | abrotman | atari: did you try asking #mailman ? |
| 18:31.27 | atari | abrotman: ok. thank you |
| 18:31.42 | flipouk | datachild: if perl is broken, your install is in serious trouble :( |
| 18:31.45 | kithylin | i bet #mailman dislikes #dogs |
| 18:32.05 | atari | abrotman: not yet. i think it about a special patch i think... but i'll check debian.org and #mailman |
| 18:32.09 | atari | abrotman: thank you! |
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| 18:32.15 | abrotman | atari: did you check the changelog ? |
| 18:32.16 | nameless` | hi |
| 18:32.21 | jetscreamer | datachild: is that the locale error or what.. paste some of it |
| 18:32.25 | nameless` | how can i have the brctl command ? |
| 18:32.26 | datachild | i have no idea, flipouk, it output'd perl: warning's when i did the update |
| 18:32.35 | atari | abrotman: yeah |
| 18:32.40 | datachild | jetscreamer, yes, locale error |
| 18:32.44 | jetscreamer | !tell nameless` -about search |
| 18:32.48 | abrotman | atari: you'd likely see it mentioned there if it were debian specific |
| 18:33.03 | chops | datachild: Can you report the exact error instead of "thingy"? |
| 18:33.03 | jetscreamer | datachild: ignorable 'probably' try dpkg-reconfigure locales after it's done |
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| 18:33.24 | atari | abrotman: there had been something about it in discussion, but i'm not sure whether it got in |
| 18:33.35 | nameless` | jetscreamer: it doesn't help me anymore |
| 18:33.48 | datachild | jetscreamer, chops, i'll pastebin it, 1 sec |
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| 18:34.57 | jetscreamer | nameless`: that would be because you didn't use apt-file . it's in bridge-utils |
| 18:35.00 | datachild | jetscreamer, chops, http://paste2.org/p/12773 |
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| 18:35.08 | nameless` | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 18:35.30 | chops | datachild: Can you pastebin the output of 'dpkg -l php5\*' and 'ls -l /etc/alternatives/php' and 'ls -l /usr/bin/php'? |
| 18:35.33 | jetscreamer | datachild: it didn't break anything, just fix your locales and stuff |
| 18:35.48 | jetscreamer | and it may have just gotten fixed.. not sure |
| 18:36.00 | chops | datachild: Yes, dpkg-reconfigure locales and enable en_US.UTF-8 if it's not already |
| 18:36.13 | datachild | okay, so just dpkg-recofigure locales? |
| 18:36.23 | chops | datachild: Correct |
| 18:36.24 | jetscreamer | datachild: dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data 'seemed' to fix that for me way back when |
| 18:36.32 | sm | later all.. & since I don't visit #debian every day.. <emotional> I love you guys/gals, keep on rocking |
| 18:36.40 | jetscreamer | we love you too |
| 18:36.42 | jetscreamer | !love sm |
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| 18:37.08 | sm | :) |
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| 18:38.11 | themill | dpkg: kill sm |
| 18:38.58 | datachild | jetscreamer, chops, http://paste2.org/p/12774 |
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| 18:39.26 | chops | datachild: When you reconfigured locales, did you enable en_US.UTF-8 like said you should? |
| 18:39.33 | chops | *like I said you should |
| 18:39.39 | enzo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.42 | jetscreamer | he couldn't it seems chops |
| 18:39.50 | jetscreamer | datachild: try apt-get -f install |
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| 18:40.00 | themill | !tell enzo about kubuntu |
| 18:40.04 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 18:40.10 | datachild | jetscreamer, didn't do anything there |
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| 18:40.24 | datachild | 0 installed/upgraded |
| 18:40.29 | enzo | you know the answer ? i have no answer on the other chan |
| 18:40.34 | jetscreamer | datachild: ok try aptitude reinstall locales |
| 18:40.59 | abrotman | enzo: ask #kubuntu |
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| 18:41.21 | enzo | it's a question for debian |
| 18:41.29 | abrotman | no it's not .. you already said so |
| 18:41.33 | jetscreamer | also aptitude install dialog libncurses5-dev |
| 18:41.39 | enzo | i don't know yet if i keep on my debian or switch to kubuntu |
| 18:41.53 | jetscreamer | enzo: dual boot, try both, decide |
| 18:41.59 | wols_ | enzo: it still is no debian question,it's a kubuntu one |
| 18:41.59 | enzo | first install of kubuntu, kaboum, problem with openoffice, conflict on package |
| 18:42.02 | datachild | jetscreamer; http://paste2.org/p/12775 |
| 18:42.08 | datachild | didn't work |
| 18:42.12 | enzo | no wols_ the debian installer propose the encryption and raid |
| 18:42.22 | enzo | i'm talking about the debian installer |
| 18:42.33 | jetscreamer | how do you not have locales intalled? anyway... |
| 18:42.39 | abrotman | enzo: which one? |
| 18:42.43 | jetscreamer | datachild: aptitude install dialog libncurses5-dev locales |
| 18:42.51 | enzo | installer of etch |
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| 18:43.04 | abrotman | !tell enzo about ig |
| 18:43.13 | jetscreamer | !info libncurses5-dev |
| 18:43.16 | dpkg | libncurses5-dev: (Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 5.6+20080119-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1462 kB, Installed size: 6360 kB |
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| 18:43.22 | jetscreamer | did i.. ah i got it right |
| 18:43.43 | enzo | i'm already reading this man pages |
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| 18:45.46 | mfowle | after i addmyself to a group with adduser user group, what do i need to do to "get" those permissions? |
| 18:45.47 | datachild | jetscreamer, didn't work (i think?) http://paste2.org/p/12777 |
| 18:46.06 | abrotman | mfowle: logout/login |
| 18:46.13 | justin | mfowle: log out and back in will work, or if you don't feel like it you can su to yourself |
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| 18:46.35 | mfowle | hmmm ok |
| 18:46.41 | abrotman | datachild: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:46.41 | Guerin | mfowle: newgrp also works |
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| 18:47.09 | datachild | abrotman, fixing locales |
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| 18:47.13 | mfowle | word! thanks all |
| 18:47.24 | datachild | abrotman, seems like perl is b0rked too |
| 18:47.33 | abrotman | datachild: dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 18:47.33 | jetscreamer | datachild: now try the dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 18:47.44 | jetscreamer | abrotman: first he had to install locales |
| 18:47.51 | abrotman | uh... ok |
| 18:47.58 | jetscreamer | yeah.. htf eh... |
| 18:48.02 | datachild | jetscreamer!, boom! |
| 18:48.06 | datachild | seems to work! |
| 18:48.25 | jetscreamer | after that try the aptitude dist-upgrade maybe |
| 18:48.34 | datachild | wich locales should i generate? |
| 18:48.43 | jetscreamer | the ones you use... |
| 18:48.50 | jetscreamer | i choose the 3 us ones |
| 18:48.57 | jetscreamer | en_us |
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| 18:49.10 | General_Tso | Hello, is there a recommended hardware requirements for encrypted LVM in Etch? |
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| 18:49.38 | jetscreamer | en_US ISO-8859-1 et al |
| 18:50.05 | Guerin | General_Tso: as much as you can afford |
| 18:50.13 | thelostbutler | hello folks,does anybody know how to change the number of files open for a cron job. it shows 1024 inspite of limits.conf in /etc/security saying 32767 |
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| 18:51.21 | General_Tso | Guerin, hmmm. I have an older, non-production machine that I'm doing some testing on--maybe I'll pass for now, it's pretty ancient. Thanks. |
| 18:51.37 | Guerin | General_Tso: encryption is expensive. |
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| 18:52.16 | datachild | jetscreamer, set it up now.. did the aptitude dist-upgrade but there was nothing to upgrade |
| 18:52.16 | jelly | thelostbutler: does cron's pam configuration use pam_limits.so? |
| 18:53.10 | jetscreamer | ok now work on the php if that was you, datachild |
| 18:53.18 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 18:53.19 | datachild | yes, that was me jetscreamer |
| 18:53.27 | thelostbutler | jelly: # session required pam_limits.so, the linie is commented, uncommenting the line would work ? |
| 18:53.29 | jetscreamer | i looked at php once |
| 18:53.32 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 18:53.40 | datachild | me neither, lol |
| 18:53.46 | jelly | thelostbutler: it would definitely help cron use those limits. |
| 18:53.57 | chops | datachild: You could try providing the information I asked for earlier... |
| 18:54.10 | chops | (1:35:25 PM) chops: datachild: Can you pastebin the output of 'dpkg -l php5\*' and 'ls -l /etc/alternatives/php' and 'ls -l /usr/bin/php'? |
| 18:54.16 | jetscreamer | datachild: that would be found via /lastlog chops |
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| 18:54.22 | jetscreamer | or that |
| 18:54.22 | datachild | chops, yeah, i was scrolling up to see right when you highlighted me |
| 18:54.26 | jelly | thelostbutler: I don't know whether a restart is required after that |
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| 18:54.44 | jetscreamer | or that even |
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| 18:56.18 | shamrock | The package xfireworks says it displays fireworks in the "root window on X". What is this "root window"? The root terminal? I see nothing. |
| 18:56.26 | datachild | chops; http://paste2.org/p/12778 |
| 18:56.40 | datachild | now it gives output atleast, so i guess it "works" |
| 18:56.50 | jetscreamer | the desktop background shamrock |
| 18:56.55 | chops | datachild: It's almost as if installing php5-cli fixed it, just like we said it would :-) |
| 18:56.55 | jetscreamer | basically |
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| 18:57.03 | datachild | yeah |
| 18:57.09 | datachild | thanks alot jetscreamer, chops |
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| 18:57.28 | chops | datachild: np |
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| 18:57.37 | astronaute | hello guys |
| 18:57.46 | astronaute | how to install Zend Optimizer and extension manager on debian please ? (etch4) |
| 18:57.58 | jetscreamer | shamrock: the penguins are cool also |
| 18:58.10 | shamrock | jetscreamer: basically, definitively or not at all? I see nothing on my desktop. |
| 18:58.33 | jetscreamer | it works here all i can tell you. definitely. |
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| 18:58.38 | abrotman | astronaute: ask them .. zend isn't in debian |
| 18:59.10 | jetscreamer | i have the penguins the gliders and the... i forget |
| 18:59.11 | shamrock | jetscreamer: you run xfireworks from the command line or what? Or are you confusing xfireworks for the screensaver? |
| 18:59.15 | astronaute | I know but it is for PHP so maybe there is sone sources to install with aptitude |
| 18:59.19 | astronaute | ok anyway thank you :) |
| 18:59.27 | jetscreamer | ah yeah and the xfireworks |
| 18:59.36 | jetscreamer | no i'm not confusing them |
| 18:59.48 | shamrock | jetscreamer: so when do you see xfireworks running? |
| 18:59.59 | jetscreamer | when i turn it on via the menu |
| 19:00.09 | jetscreamer | debian menu |
| 19:00.12 | jetscreamer | under toys |
| 19:00.25 | jetscreamer | games/toys |
| 19:00.28 | shamrock | jetscreamer: will look. |
| 19:01.23 | jetscreamer | a couple don't or didn't have a 'turn it back off' ... but the fireworks penguins and gliders do |
| 19:01.41 | jetscreamer | ah no the fireworks doesn't |
| 19:01.45 | jetscreamer | the fishtank does |
| 19:02.00 | shamrock | I have no debian menu. |
| 19:02.09 | jetscreamer | gnome? |
| 19:02.13 | shamrock | yes |
| 19:02.41 | jetscreamer | yeah... not sure how to turn that on under gnome. it just shows up with kde and icewm et al |
| 19:03.00 | jetscreamer | gnome's menu is lacking |
| 19:03.11 | jetscreamer | you'll notice a lot of other things not in there also |
| 19:03.23 | shamrock | jetscreamer: the documentation is ropey if what you say is true. xfireworks sepcifically says it displays in the root window on X. Nothing about the user desktop. |
| 19:03.26 | thelostbutler | jelly: a restart was not necessary ! it worked straight out |
| 19:03.47 | jetscreamer | shamrock: by root x window they basically mean the desktop background |
| 19:03.53 | shamrock | jetscreamer: how will I notice things missing if I never knew they should be there? |
| 19:04.13 | shamrock | the desktop background is not root x window surely? |
| 19:04.31 | jetscreamer | the desktop background runs in the root x window... |
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| 19:05.22 | jetscreamer | like imagine no picture, no color... |
| 19:05.36 | Fun_ | hello, i know this could sound a little noobish, but: can you please suggest me any free shell services? |
| 19:05.43 | jetscreamer | (the grey hashmark thing if you ever saw it) |
| 19:05.45 | ezguy | is it ok to install amd64 on intel64 architecture? |
| 19:05.55 | jetscreamer | yes that's the one you use ezguy |
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| 19:06.00 | Eulex | ezguy, yes |
| 19:06.06 | Eulex | ezguy, it's made for that |
| 19:06.10 | valdyn | ezguy: if you mean emt64, which you likely do, yes |
| 19:06.11 | jetscreamer | the name is misleading |
| 19:06.13 | TurboBee | Fun_, use google to search for them. I recommend learning how to run linux on your own pc, much easier that way. |
| 19:06.33 | Fun_ | TurboBee i need to host a program |
| 19:06.35 | Fun_ | 24/7 |
| 19:06.38 | jetscreamer | !amd64 |
| 19:06.38 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 19:06.40 | shamrock | jetscreamer: oh well, It doesnt work at all running from command line. Just sits there with nothing displayin on my desktop. I'll give it up as a bad job today I think. |
| 19:06.42 | Eulex | ezguy, if you don't mean ia64, that is. but you do know that if you do. |
| 19:06.46 | Fun_ | and i cant keep my pc 24/7 on TurboBee |
| 19:06.50 | TurboBee | Fun_, what program |
| 19:06.51 | jetscreamer | shamrock: let's see |
| 19:07.28 | Fun_ | TurboBee c++ program |
| 19:07.32 | Fun_ | *a c++ |
| 19:07.40 | jetscreamer | shamrock: doesn't 'seem' to work from xterm here either |
| 19:08.11 | jetscreamer | ah the gliders are working |
| 19:08.21 | shamrock | anyone know how to add the debian menu to a gnome panel? |
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| 19:08.29 | dkr | it works here. although it's a bit too fast |
| 19:08.29 | abrotman | Fun_: you're in the wrong channel |
| 19:08.32 | jetscreamer | xfirworks works |
| 19:08.35 | jetscreamer | fire |
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| 19:08.40 | jetscreamer | works here.. |
| 19:08.53 | Fun_ | abrotman can you suggest a right chan pls |
| 19:08.54 | Fun_ | ? |
| 19:08.58 | ezguy | Eulex: so is ok to install amd64 software on 2.6.9-34.ELsmp #1 SMP Fri Feb 24 16:56:28 EST 2006 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux? |
| 19:09.05 | abrotman | Fun_: not this one |
| 19:09.11 | dkr | shamrock: check out the -no-direct-draw option |
| 19:09.15 | ponyofdeath | hi, im wondering if i do apt-source on a debian stable for a testing package and build package for it on that box that is safe correct? |
| 19:09.16 | Eulex | ezguy, x86_64 == amd64 |
| 19:09.19 | abrotman | ezguy: are you running debian ? |
| 19:09.23 | ezguy | i see |
| 19:09.26 | jetscreamer | ezguy: wtf is that :) |
| 19:09.27 | Eulex | ezguy, just a different name for the same thing |
| 19:09.31 | ezguy | rhel |
| 19:09.36 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:09.38 | abrotman | why are you asking us ? |
| 19:09.48 | jetscreamer | he's asking about installing debian |
| 19:09.52 | ezguy | thanks |
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| 19:10.01 | abrotman | oh |
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| 19:10.32 | jetscreamer | you bertter get you some rest! |
| 19:10.37 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 19:10.56 | dkr | xfireworks -fine 200 -after-image 150 -gradation 64 -wait 10000 is much prettier. :) |
| 19:10.59 | jcm | hi, is there a way to tell pp not to overwrite /etc/resolv.conf ? nopeerdns doesn't seem to work; setting /etc/resolv.conf to root 200 doesn't prevent ppp to write it ! |
| 19:11.03 | jcm | ppp |
| 19:11.08 | abrotman | jcm: man pppd |
| 19:11.22 | valdyn | jcm: maybe you want to remove resolvconf if that is installed |
| 19:11.24 | shamrock | dkr: still nothing. |
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| 19:11.49 | shamrock | apt-get install menu-xdg |
| 19:11.54 | shamrock | whoops worry |
| 19:12.11 | jetscreamer | might be a gnome/gtk thing... i noticed the gliders did not overwrite xchat, i had to minimize it.. hmmm |
| 19:12.14 | valdyn | jamesturnbull: "man attr" to make it immutable |
| 19:12.19 | jelly | thelostbutler: good to know, thanks |
| 19:12.23 | valdyn | jamesturnbull: "man chattr" to make it immutable |
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| 19:12.38 | jetscreamer | or just an xwindow |
| 19:12.44 | rokra | HEllo |
| 19:12.52 | jcm | valdyn: I want to tell to use my bind install instead of peer dns |
| 19:12.56 | rokra | someone tried to install kde4? |
| 19:13.00 | abrotman | why is everyone in france a nancy? |
| 19:13.05 | msan | ok |
| 19:13.10 | abrotman | !tell rokra about kde4 |
| 19:13.13 | jcm | abrotman: I read the man already; userpeerdns is no more activated but still writes resolv.conf |
| 19:13.14 | msan | oops . wrong windo |
| 19:13.28 | jetscreamer | and nautilus is what does the gnome background.... so maybe drawing in the root window and nautius don't play well together |
| 19:13.28 | valdyn | jcm: and? is resolvconf installed? |
| 19:13.33 | abrotman | jcm: okay .. then make it immutable |
| 19:13.34 | rokra | abrotman: nancy is in the east france near strasbourg/metz |
| 19:13.41 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 19:13.56 | jcm | abrotman: immutable ? how ? root 200 isn't enough |
| 19:14.07 | jetscreamer | they told you to man chattr |
| 19:14.11 | valdyn | oo, information overload |
| 19:14.23 | jcm | valdyn: yes, I tried resolvconf too, not better in my case. Uninstalled currently. |
| 19:14.38 | valdyn | jcm: as it should be. |
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| 19:14.53 | rokra | I installed kde4 but it s not working , here the error message when I restart kdm : Warning: --old-kde does not end with /share/config. Might wreak havoc. |
| 19:14.56 | ezguy | abrotman: i figured someone may know the answer. |
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| 19:16.22 | abrotman | ezguy: read the manual |
| 19:16.28 | abrotman | rokra: ask #debian-kde |
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| 19:18.18 | ezguy | abrotman: linux is linux doesn't matter which distro isn't it? done a lot manual readings and will some more when i got the time. i figured i may get a quicker answer from asking it here. |
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| 19:18.39 | shamrock | jetscreamer: I brought up the menu editor and the debian menu is unchecked. Because its two sub menus help and screen are both empty. |
| 19:19.06 | xingu | dkr: if you want pretty fireworks, skyrocket from rss-glx |
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| 19:21.36 | bughunter2 | i've recompiled my kernel and sda changed to hda, and now /dev/hda is as slow as 1.72 MB/s, any ideas as to what i can try? |
| 19:22.08 | chops | bughunter2: What kernel did you start with, and what did you move to? Why did you recompile your kernel? How did you get your config? |
| 19:22.18 | bughunter2 | to remove bloat |
| 19:22.27 | bughunter2 | 2.6.24, i had a working 2.6.23.14 (as base config) |
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| 19:24.01 | jetscreamer | shamrock: maybe update-menus .. but i think you're going to find that gnome and those root window toys don't play well together |
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| 19:24.51 | chops | bughunter2: Hm, it sounds like you're looking for excitement and you found some :-). You can try git bisect on kernel snapshots to find the kernel revision where that change happened, and make a mention to the linux-kernel mailing list |
| 19:25.10 | chops | bughunter2: But if you want things to _work_, as opposed to getting excitement, there are always the Debian-packaged kernels :-) |
| 19:25.24 | bughunter2 | no no |
| 19:25.25 | shamrock | jetscreamer: already tried it. no joy. thanks anyway. |
| 19:25.29 | bughunter2 | i changed a lot of options too |
| 19:25.40 | bughunter2 | and no i don't want debian packaged kernels :P |
| 19:25.45 | Guerin | translation: if you want help with your kernels, there are always the Debian-packaged kernels |
| 19:25.46 | jetscreamer | shamrock: yeh.. gnome, what can you do eh |
| 19:25.50 | bughunter2 | i'm going to find this bastard :) |
| 19:26.06 | xingu | moving from libata to the deprecated pata drivers is about as cunning as Baldrick |
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| 19:26.07 | shamrock | jetscreamer: I just find KDE too flash and unstable. Oh well. I can live without it. |
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| 19:26.25 | Nyle | shamrock: kde find you to be too flashy and unstable. |
| 19:26.33 | jetscreamer | him go byebye |
| 19:26.38 | Guerin | Nyle: impossible. |
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| 19:26.59 | Guerin | the only people more flashy and unstable than kde users are OSX or Enlightenment users |
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| 19:27.10 | xingu | bughunter2: is there a reason you also picked the obsolete ide stack? |
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| 19:27.20 | Nyle | why do men have nipples? |
| 19:27.24 | Guerin | xingu: it's oldskool! |
| 19:27.25 | mage__ | whats the meta package that installs stuff for CLI |
| 19:27.30 | chops | bughunter2: If you changed a bunch of options, then you could try the option changes you made, a few at a time, until you find the one(s) that make the difference. |
| 19:27.34 | Nyle | no one knows. |
| 19:27.35 | bughunter2 | because i had boot problems when i had /dev/sda |
| 19:27.36 | jetscreamer | define stuff |
| 19:27.38 | bughunter2 | xingu.. |
| 19:27.38 | chops | bughunter2: Then study those options until you achieve enlightenment |
| 19:27.41 | Guerin | Nyle: of course people know. |
| 19:27.44 | \amethyst | Nyle: because they start out as women |
| 19:27.47 | mage__ | like I did a debootstrap and it didn't give me stuff like bzip2 :( |
| 19:28.03 | jetscreamer | try aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 19:28.04 | Guerin | !installit |
| 19:28.04 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 19:28.08 | jetscreamer | after aptitude update |
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| 19:28.19 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 19:28.19 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
| 19:28.21 | Nyle | \amethyst: well... do the nipples develop before the embryo is maleified |
| 19:28.32 | Guerin | mage__: aptitude install ~pstandard |
| 19:28.57 | Nyle | each zygote/embryo is female sure, but about nipple development? |
| 19:29.01 | Nyle | I dunno man, thats iffy |
| 19:29.09 | Guerin | Nyle: they're part of the standard equipment, on all mammals. |
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| 19:29.21 | Nyle | yeh why on males though |
| 19:29.26 | sparrw | am i the only one who finds it odd that sudo is not part of the "standard" tasksel list |
| 19:29.35 | jetscreamer | tasksel sucks |
| 19:29.37 | Nyle | its like one of those mysteries of life, why does shirley temple use a curling iron? no one knows. |
| 19:29.43 | Guerin | Nyle: because males and females are very very close to being genetically identical |
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| 19:29.51 | Nyle | tasksel does suck and you I think you said it last night toio |
| 19:29.57 | Nyle | why does it not get deprecated? |
| 19:29.59 | sepski | sparrw, why should it be ? |
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| 19:30.03 | jetscreamer | yes and i think i said it to him, also |
| 19:30.08 | Nyle | it is still presented to you in the installer |
| 19:30.10 | Guerin | tasksel is deprecated in favour of aptitude |
| 19:30.11 | jetscreamer | he was there maybe |
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| 19:30.17 | \amethyst | Nyle: precursors to the nipples are present. In some animals, like mice, they are eliminated in males |
| 19:30.20 | \amethyst | Nyle: http://classes.ansci.uiuc.edu/ansc438/Mamdevelop/fetal.html |
| 19:30.24 | Guerin | no, that's aptitude now |
| 19:30.32 | Nyle | \amethyst: see, thas what I'm talking about |
| 19:30.34 | jetscreamer | i have nipples because i would look frickin weird w/o them |
| 19:30.44 | Nyle | \amethyst: best laid plans of mice.. you know |
| 19:30.48 | Eulex | might I ask what this discussion has to do with debian? |
| 19:30.49 | Guerin | \amethyst: actually, only the external bits are absent. The vestige is still there, just not so obviously. |
| 19:30.56 | xingu | jetscreamer: you look weird with them; lose the third one. |
| 19:31.12 | jetscreamer | i am an international hitman, yes |
| 19:31.20 | jetscreamer | i live in china |
| 19:31.24 | sparrw | jetscreamer: tasksel has its virtues. someone must like it enough for it to be in the installer |
| 19:31.26 | jetscreamer | i have a golden gun |
| 19:31.30 | Nyle | jetscreamer: redneck china? |
| 19:31.38 | Nyle | deep dow in the continent of texas? |
| 19:31.47 | rubeez | i just updated my lenny and evolution stopped working over SSL...is there a work around for this problem? |
| 19:31.48 | jetscreamer | i lied.. |
| 19:31.51 | twiggz | i love my firearms. |
| 19:31.55 | sparrw | sepski: well, to pick one of many reasons... because popcon says its popular enough to be |
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| 19:33.07 | sepski | sparrw, file a wishlist bug then |
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| 19:33.45 | Nyle | sparrw: well, there it is |
| 19:33.51 | sparrw | ok, next question :) |
| 19:34.04 | Nyle | sparrw: why is it really popular, because it gets installed and used and you have no fucking choice |
| 19:34.04 | sparrw | why doesnt xserver-xorg depend (in some way) on xfonts-base ? |
| 19:34.27 | Guerin | Nyle: no. tasksel is deprecated for aptitude nbow. Aptitude does all the tasky stuff nowadays. |
| 19:34.28 | sparrw | it seems that it does, literally, depend on it |
| 19:34.31 | Nyle | if something if forced down your throat through the installer, then obviously the popcon stats won't matter for tasksel |
| 19:34.41 | jetscreamer | the installer comes up with tasksel |
| 19:34.48 | sparrw | Nyle: yes, but the installer doesnt force sudo, thats my point |
| 19:34.52 | sparrw | Nyle: i think it should |
| 19:34.59 | jetscreamer | sparr_: or should it |
| 19:35.00 | Nyle | sparrw: it doesn't, but it has an option |
| 19:35.02 | sparrw | Nyle: sudo is popular on its own merits |
| 19:35.09 | Nyle | it does n't force, but its there ifyou know how to isntall debian |
| 19:35.15 | jetscreamer | that's a wishlist bug.. file it |
| 19:35.16 | Guerin | sparrw: xorg does. the server itself doesn't. |
| 19:35.18 | Nyle | or if you actually take the time to read the install guide |
| 19:35.26 | xingu | sparrw: it's one more suid root binary to worry about, for one. |
| 19:35.37 | jetscreamer | i never read shit about how to install |
| 19:35.37 | xingu | sparrw: one which can easily be misconfigured |
| 19:35.40 | sparrw | Guerin: is there some use the xserver can be put to that doesnt require the fonts? |
| 19:35.56 | jetscreamer | it has fonts |
| 19:35.56 | Guerin | sparrw: probably. |
| 19:36.02 | Nyle | most debian users aren't retarded like ubuntu users |
| 19:36.08 | sepski | sparrw, i prefer the basic debian to be free of bloat so keep the very minimum, you can make a task package called "popular" and put sudo in it if you want :) |
| 19:36.16 | Nyle | sudo isn't defaulted/forced on debian users |
| 19:36.19 | Nyle | only ubuntards |
| 19:36.28 | jetscreamer | actually |
| 19:36.29 | sparrw | sepski: "basic debian" is, imho, what you get if you dont check any boxes in tasksel during installation |
| 19:36.37 | sepski | sparrw, who need more then 1 xfonts server on your network anyway |
| 19:36.45 | jetscreamer | what happens in the installer if you choose the 'no root' option... |
| 19:36.46 | Guerin | sparrw: agreed. |
| 19:36.48 | Guerin | bah |
| 19:36.51 | jetscreamer | does sudo get installed? |
| 19:36.52 | Nyle | jetscreamer: sudo |
| 19:36.52 | Guerin | sepski: agreed! |
| 19:36.55 | Nyle | jetscreamer: yes |
| 19:36.57 | sepski | jetscreamer, yes |
| 19:36.57 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:37.01 | jetscreamer | ok so there's sudo |
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| 19:37.05 | Nyle | jetscreamer: and an entry is created in sudoers |
| 19:37.05 | jetscreamer | quit bitching |
| 19:37.12 | Nyle | pay attention |
| 19:37.24 | sparrw | Guerin: is there a meta-package that i should be installing other than xserver-xorg to get working X? |
| 19:37.24 | Nyle | 14:33 < Nyle> it does n't force, but its there ifyou know how to isntall debian |
| 19:37.28 | Nyle | 14:33 < Nyle> or if you actually take the time to read the install guide |
| 19:37.41 | jetscreamer | sparr_: aptitude install xorg |
| 19:37.44 | sepski | sparrw, that's base i said basic, but you get my idea |
| 19:37.49 | Nyle | jetscreamer: you are the one bitching about tasksel sucking :) |
| 19:37.50 | Guerin | sparrw: xorg. xserver-xorg is not what you install to get a working x. |
| 19:37.56 | sparrw | ahh, good to know |
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| 19:38.24 | sparrw | xorg seems to cover a few important things that xserver-xorg doesnt |
| 19:38.30 | xsdg | sepski: what are you talking about? |
| 19:38.31 | sparrw | oddly, xorg depends on binutils |
| 19:38.34 | jetscreamer | Nyle: i wasn't bitching, i was stating a fact. |
| 19:38.42 | Nyle | bitch bitch bitch |
| 19:38.44 | Nyle | all day long |
| 19:38.45 | sparrw | and make |
| 19:38.46 | sepski | sparrw, forinstance i have 200 diskless clients all booting and running xserver-xorg, but they use the 1 font server. so no need for fonts on each host. |
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| 19:38.54 | sparrw | sepski: good to know, thanks |
| 19:38.55 | Nyle | bitch bitch bitch, while jetscreamer sings the song |
| 19:39.07 | sparrw | heh, now the fun part |
| 19:39.07 | Guerin | sparrw: it's probably a recommend: not a depend: |
| 19:39.08 | jetscreamer | elton john? |
| 19:39.09 | sparrw | ive got to configure X |
| 19:39.12 | Nyle | gonna bitch all day, gonan drive us nuts |
| 19:39.14 | sepski | xsdg, 3 things at once, and it's confusing for me too :) |
| 19:39.17 | jetscreamer | ok configure it |
| 19:39.20 | Nyle | gonna get us off our butts |
| 19:39.27 | jetscreamer | !tell sparr_ -about drxx |
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| 19:39.59 | Nyle | jetscreamer: adam sandler, highschool janitor recieves a severe beating |
| 19:40.01 | aep | hi. is there a xen guide that installs from the actual apt binaries? |
| 19:40.07 | Nyle | 2nd cd, they're all gonna laugh at you |
| 19:40.10 | Nyle | 1997 |
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| 19:40.13 | xingu | can an x11 fontserver even handle truetype fonts? or are they still stuck transcoding them to bitmap on request? |
| 19:40.13 | aep | most of the guides refere to source packages |
| 19:40.20 | Guerin | !xen |
| 19:40.20 | dpkg | it has been said that xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:40.23 | Nyle | aep: which guides? |
| 19:40.33 | Guerin | aep: ask in the abovementioned channel |
| 19:40.33 | aep | thos i googled for :/ |
| 19:40.33 | Nyle | where are these guides found? |
| 19:40.41 | Nyle | ahh |
| 19:40.42 | sepski | xingu, i guess that depends on the xfont server implementation i think debian have like 3 of them :) |
| 19:40.43 | aep | Guerin: ah thanks |
| 19:40.52 | SixT6 | pedro__ lacks political experience |
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| 19:40.55 | mark6 | ok kde cant help can anyone in here help with kplaylist not playing audio (note i aint using kde) |
| 19:41.03 | xingu | I'd be willing to bet that no fontserver played nice with Render |
| 19:41.08 | Guerin | SixT6: ? |
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| 19:41.20 | SixT6 | Guerin: Napoleon dynatite |
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| 19:41.28 | SixT6 | Dynamite* |
| 19:41.32 | SixT6 | Fudge my spelling today |
| 19:41.38 | Guerin | SixT6: oh. Another reputedly-awesome film I've failed to see. |
| 19:41.45 | Nyle | oh god |
| 19:41.51 | Nyle | retarded movie for retarded people |
| 19:42.02 | Guerin | Nyle: your favourite, then? |
| 19:42.04 | SixT6 | Guerin: Depends what kind of movies you like |
| 19:42.09 | Nyle | The Usual Suspects |
| 19:42.17 | sepski | xingu, you can test xfstt and give us your opinion ? |
| 19:42.24 | jelly | that wasn't really a question, was it. |
| 19:42.38 | SixT6 | The Godfather is reputedly awesome, but I think it sucks |
| 19:42.46 | Guerin | SixT6: my undergrad was in film and I currently study and work with propaganda. |
| 19:42.48 | Nyle | The Usual Suspects is like, the best movie ever. |
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| 19:42.56 | jetscreamer | lies! |
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| 19:43.32 | SixT6 | Best movie ever? Would have to be one of the northpole movies |
| 19:43.34 | Guerin | The Godfather is a supreme example of its genre |
| 19:43.36 | Nyle | the Will of Keyser Soze |
| 19:43.44 | Nyle | Scarface too |
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| 19:43.50 | Nyle | the classics you can't go wrong with |
| 19:43.59 | Guerin | not quite true |
| 19:44.01 | SixT6 | Guerin: That might be true, but I still haven't been able to see all of the movie because I fall asleep during it |
| 19:44.03 | jetscreamer | The Pick of Destiny > * |
| 19:44.04 | Nyle | lock stock and true smoking barrel |
| 19:44.08 | Nyle | Geaux |
| 19:44.10 | Guerin | a lot of bollocks gets a lot of respect because it's old |
| 19:44.14 | Nyle | two* |
| 19:44.20 | Nyle | momento |
| 19:44.22 | SixT6 | Boondock Saints |
| 19:44.25 | Nyle | the cube |
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| 19:44.29 | SixT6 | The cube sucked |
| 19:44.33 | twiggz | Boondock Saints is the best movie ever. |
| 19:44.40 | Nyle | ok guys |
| 19:44.41 | SixT6 | Or maybe it was the cube 2 |
| 19:44.43 | Nyle | #movies |
| 19:44.43 | twiggz | I almost went and bought it it was so good. |
| 19:44.45 | Guerin | bah, boondock saints and the cube aren't even worth mentioning in the same breath as the godfather |
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| 19:44.47 | Nyle | please |
| 19:45.03 | screamingbytes | SixT6: do you mean gleaming the cube? |
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| 19:45.11 | Nyle | so debian has 3 types of font serverS? |
| 19:45.14 | Nyle | did someone just say that? |
| 19:45.21 | Nyle | or did i misunderstand |
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| 19:45.35 | xingu | sepski: test? I've used it in the past; and a quick through google confirms my suspicions; by using a fontserver, you're basically bypassing the xserver's own glyph rendering pipeline - it's getting bitmaps from the fontserver; so this is going to lose in both the uncached case (bandwidth hungry) as well as the libxft2-enabled-client case (ie, most Qt/Gtk apps these days) |
| 19:46.13 | xingu | sepski: libxft2 will talk to Render - and for some of us, that means gpu-side rendering of glyphs. |
| 19:46.16 | screamingbytes | so a real debian topic :) ntp or openntpd |
| 19:46.26 | xingu | !better |
| 19:46.26 | dpkg | i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 19:46.32 | Nyle | !ntp |
| 19:46.32 | dpkg | ntp is, like, the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 19:46.37 | jelly | screamingbytes: server or local machine? |
| 19:46.44 | Guerin | screamingbytes: who cares? |
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| 19:47.02 | Nyle | Guerin: I can answer that |
| 19:47.06 | Nyle | Guerin: the people who care. |
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| 19:48.04 | jelly | screamingbytes: if it's a leaf machine, the answer is obviously chrony. :-> |
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| 19:48.50 | shachaf | Is there a way of making apt-get download a specific package (like -d) into /var/cache, even if it's already installed? |
| 19:49.07 | mark6 | anyone know if kplaylist not playing sound is script/httpd/server |
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| 19:49.36 | xingu | sepski: you'll win in the hetrogenous environment case (maintaining multiple fontsets across display servers so that the same font at the same dpi is the same glyph everywhere isn't fun) as well as the diskspace challenged case (but you've already said you're diskless - I assume putting a few fonts on your rootfs wouldn't be a huge stretch) |
| 19:49.44 | jelly | mark6: ask the kplaylist people? |
| 19:50.05 | jelly | mark6: it is not in Debian. |
| 19:50.36 | mark6 | iok |
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| 19:51.50 | screamingbytes | jelly: Guerin: its a server for about 15 or so workstations, sync time obviously is important |
| 19:52.15 | Guerin | screamingbytes: 15 or so workstations should sync in under a second, total. |
| 19:52.16 | jelly | screamingbytes: I've never tried openntpd and never missed it. |
| 19:52.34 | screamingbytes | jelly: these 15 workstations are also connected to another office with over 50 workststions and a 3rd office with about 35 workstations |
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| 19:52.37 | Guerin | screamingbytes: so I'd be inclined to not care |
| 19:52.48 | screamingbytes | Guerin: noted |
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| 19:53.29 | xingu | screamingbytes: I think the only one which plays well with the kernel's pll regulator is ntpd; having said that I haven't looked at openntp in over two years now. |
| 19:53.41 | xingu | wouldn't be surprised if it was still the case though |
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| 19:53.44 | xingu | and as for chrony |
| 19:54.32 | screamingbytes | So i believe i will go with ntpd, reading between the lines it looks like everyone agrees on that one. tyvm |
| 19:54.49 | jelly | xingu: it has a decent, original name! :-) |
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| 19:57.05 | xingu | time to find out if various display killing bugs are dealt with yet |
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| 19:57.40 | chops | xingu: Display killing bugs in what software? |
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| 19:58.20 | xulf | a display can kill bugs in software? |
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| 19:58.39 | xingu | chops: oh, this is full force rice factor stuff; running sauerbraten w/ compiz fusion active and fsaa/aniso turned all the way up to 11 on a 7600go |
| 19:58.49 | chops | xingu: |
| 19:58.53 | chops | xingu: Ahh, good old rice :-) |
| 19:59.27 | xingu | chops: it's been a reasonably good way to provoke nvidia drivers into dieing; so new drivers, time to retest. |
| 19:59.49 | chops | xingu: I'd be happy if my intel drivers just would not crash when playing movies, myself |
| 19:59.57 | chops | Or exiting X |
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| 20:00.07 | chops | Or if they would start in the right resolution |
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| 20:00.35 | keglevich | does somebody maybe have some experience here using iSCSI? |
| 20:00.40 | chops | !anyone |
| 20:00.40 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 20:01.14 | xingu | chops: took me ages before working out how to get mplayer to play stuff properly on a 16:10 aspect |
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| 20:01.27 | xingu | chops: guess I'm just thick. :) |
| 20:01.31 | xingu | (here goes nothing) |
| 20:01.59 | chops | xingu: Oh, yeah, that seems to be another bug -- on the occasions when movies play correctly, they seem to play with the aspect ratio inverted if you're playing on a rotated monitor |
| 20:02.15 | chops | xingu: I'm waiting to report that one until they fix the others, though. No new bugs until you fix the ones you've got! |
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| 20:04.46 | xingu | well, bug still present. :) |
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| 20:05.17 | sevard | Hey guys. I'm a fairly seasoned slackware linux user (about 10 years) but a new client of mine wants me to install some debian servers. I have no problems getting to know a new distro but as a slackware user don't like the fluff too much. Would it be advised for a server setup to just go with the disc 1 of the etch install, and aptget the reset of my server applications? (iptables, openvpn, apache w/mod_php, etc) |
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| 20:05.55 | sevard | s/reset/rest/g |
| 20:06.01 | Guerin | sevard: yes, that will be fine. Debian's stock install is pretty minimal, if you don't get a desktop and other such bollocks. |
| 20:06.03 | fengor | yes sevard, jsut get the netinstall and do a baseisntall then get the rest via apt-get or aptitude |
| 20:06.17 | Heavy-D | Hey everybody, Could you let me know what Kernel is used in Etch 4.0r2 ? It'd be much appreciated. |
| 20:06.28 | hoxu | sevard, or netinstaller, just skip the tasksel part (install packages by hand using apt-get/aptitude) |
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| 20:06.57 | Guerin | sevard: be careful not to fall back on your slackware habits, though - especially for packages and installation, if you don't like how something is in debian, you can't just go randomly compiling and installing shit with impunity. You need to make it work via apt. |
| 20:07.06 | sevard | Now that's what I was spinning on, I couldn't find list of applications included in the disc1 or the netinstall, or if there is even a major difference/advantage between the two. |
| 20:07.13 | Guerin | it might seem a pain in the arse, but it's worth it in the long run |
| 20:07.37 | hoxu | sevard, netinstaller is smaller, and you only need it if you have a network connection |
| 20:07.43 | chops | sevard: There's not a different set of applications for the different install methods |
| 20:07.44 | Guerin | sevard: the netinstall has fuck-all. CD1 has a little more but most of it is gnome. But as long as you have network you're all good. |
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| 20:08.09 | chops | sevard: It's just that the less that's included on the installer, the more gets downloaded over the network. But the set of packages for a given release is the same regardless. |
| 20:08.13 | sevard | Guerin: of course, I'll be sticking simply with apt-get, I understand entirelly that different distros have very different ways of doing things and from a philosophilcal perspective the last thing I want to do is tailor a debian install to look like a slackware install just because I'm a pendantic ass. |
| 20:08.37 | chops | sevard: IOW, your "start with nothing and apt-get what you need" is exactly the way Debian is designed to be set up :-) |
| 20:08.40 | Guerin | sevard: goodgood. I don't run my bsd boxen like debian boxen, for the same reason. |
| 20:08.52 | sevard | so netinstall and aptitude it is. thanks very much for the clarification. |
| 20:08.59 | Optic | hey, can somebody give me some help on getting a keyspan serial adapter to work with debian? |
| 20:09.20 | Optic | the driver has been removed from teh debian kernels for religious reasons but I actually need to use it |
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| 20:10.16 | chops | Optic: If by "religious" you mean "it's illegal to distribute it", I believe... |
| 20:10.26 | Optic | chops: no, that's not the reason in this case |
| 20:10.36 | Optic | it's in the standard linux kernel |
| 20:10.40 | chops | Optic: No? Why was it removed? |
| 20:10.45 | Optic | it's explicity stripped out in the debian ones |
| 20:10.58 | Eulex | Optic, if you run debian you should know what the dfsg is about. |
| 20:11.08 | Optic | apparently its because the keyspan license says the driver can only be used with keyspan devices |
| 20:11.10 | chops | Optic: Right, and why? |
| 20:11.59 | Optic | i would choose a different multiport serial adapter but there aren't many choices in the market |
| 20:11.59 | chops | Optic: So why wouldn't that be illegal to distribute alongside GPLed software, which may not be linked with software with such a license? |
| 20:12.25 | chops | Optic: You can download a vanilla kernel and build it by hand with a config based on the Debian config |
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| 20:12.45 | Optic | I'm not sure. I imagine linus would have evaluated those concerns when shipping it with the linux kernel |
| 20:12.46 | mark6 | ok i broke php can somenoe tell me what files i need to stop it telling me to download it? |
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| 20:12.56 | dondelelcaro | Optic: well, unfortunatly that's not often the case. |
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| 20:13.13 | Heavy-D | nf@dsl5401CD97.pool.t-online.hu) Quit (Connection timed out) |
| 20:13.13 | Heavy-D | <chops> sevard: There's not a different set of applications for the different install methods |
| 20:13.13 | Heavy-D | <Guerin> sevard: the neti |
| 20:13.18 | Heavy-D | oops |
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| 20:13.23 | Heavy-D | sorry, wrong key |
| 20:13.30 | dondelelcaro | Optic: and in any event, since we can't modify it as we'd like, we don't distribute it in main. If you're concerned about that, feel free to build your own kernel, or otherwise build that module. |
| 20:13.34 | Optic | chops: cool. and it should work? |
| 20:13.35 | dondelelcaro | Optic: we won't stop you |
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| 20:13.48 | Optic | right, i'm not asking you to include the driver in debian |
| 20:13.54 | Optic | i'm just wondering how to go about getting it working :) |
| 20:13.59 | sevard | Heavy-D: heh |
| 20:14.17 | dondelelcaro | Optic: build your own kernel, or just build that module against the kernel headers; either will work. |
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| 20:15.15 | Optic | ok, i'll give it a shot |
| 20:15.16 | Optic | thanks |
| 20:15.19 | Heavy-D | Do you guys know what kernel is included with 4.0r2 ? |
| 20:15.37 | acemi | 2.6.18 |
| 20:15.37 | dondelelcaro | Heavy-D: 2.6.18 |
| 20:15.46 | Heavy-D | ah, so same as 4.0 |
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| 20:16.03 | dondelelcaro | Heavy-D: it's slightly different, as it has security fixes, but yes, it's the same major version |
| 20:16.23 | chops | Heavy-D: Point releases of Debian change very little; a new kernel version would never happen that I can imagine. Mostly it's just a collection of the security fixes that have happened since the last point release. |
| 20:16.29 | chops | *new upstream kernel version |
| 20:16.30 | Heavy-D | ah okay, I don't think 2.6.18 detects my Raid adapter :( |
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| 20:17.18 | Fizkah | How do I see what screens I have under a certain name? |
| 20:17.43 | aep | hi.i'm switching from lilo to grub. update-grub adds " root (hd0,0)", but my root partition is sda2. i can't afford just "trying it". any suggestions? |
| 20:17.45 | sparrw | ive got a program that wants libgtk-x11-2.0-so.0, any tips on where to find that? |
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| 20:18.35 | dondelelcaro | Heavy-D: well, you can use one of the testing installers to install stable, and then install a testing kernel if necessary. |
| 20:18.47 | LordAnta | Fizkah: try (hd0,1). |
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| 20:20.01 | Heavy-D | dondelelcaro: Hrmm okay thanks for the suggestion |
| 20:20.11 | Fizkah | LordAnta: When I do screen -wipe I get this: 27984.ventrilo (Detached) - How do I kill that screen? |
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| 20:21.48 | LordAnta | don't know. I am using lilo for a slackware in MBR and grub for debian. The grub is installed in (hd0,7), that's why i told to try (hd0,1) |
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| 20:22.28 | LordAnta | (hd0,1) |
| 20:22.34 | aep | yeah |
| 20:22.39 | seon | how can i fix an IP adress on a computer connected in a DHCP network? |
| 20:22.43 | nprice | is there any way to prevent dpkg-buildpackage from passing -host=XXX to ./configure? |
| 20:23.18 | dondelelcaro | seon: use a fixed address at the dhcp server |
| 20:23.37 | aep | wish me luck *reboot* |
| 20:23.46 | mark6 | ok php files are only downloading what did i do to break it? |
| 20:24.08 | aep | mark6: addHandler. ask in #apache |
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| 20:24.23 | mark6 | ok |
| 20:24.42 | aep | yay. up and running with grub. guess that means i can keep my job |
| 20:24.53 | aep | ;) |
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| 20:25.00 | LordAnta | :)) |
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| 20:25.28 | bodq | hi all; I'm looking for a "info display"-style application, to display real-time data (rss feeds, upcoming calendar events, kittens, etc) |
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| 20:25.49 | bodq | A couple of search terms would be appreciated |
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| 20:26.40 | Eulex | !tell Heavy-D about kmuto |
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| 20:28.38 | chops | bodq: korganizer may do what you want |
| 20:28.55 | chops | bodq: I understand evolution was working in that direction last I looked at it (which was a very long time ago) |
| 20:29.01 | Optic | is it important to build the exact same linux kernel version? |
| 20:29.09 | Optic | or should I build the latest one? |
| 20:29.16 | chops | Optic: Are you building a whole new kernel, or just the module? |
| 20:29.24 | Optic | i'm doing a kernel build |
| 20:29.27 | chops | Optic: In general it's best to stay as close to the Debian version as is possible |
| 20:29.29 | Optic | i can't find the module distributed separately |
| 20:29.34 | bodq | chops, not quite; I need a generic ticker for a kiosk-like display |
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| 20:30.04 | bodq | chops: something like gkrellm but not so rigid, and scriptable |
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| 20:30.13 | bodq | and fullscreen |
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| 20:33.46 | Heavy-D | Eulex: Thanks very much ^.^ |
| 20:34.40 | jamesturnbull | .whois valdyn |
| 20:35.08 | jamesturnbull | bah - ignore me no coffee |
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| 20:36.11 | Optic | aww |
| 20:36.31 | themill | !coffee jamesturnbull |
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| 20:38.48 | Saar | i am kind of wondering if ubuntu cooporates with dell, as their site suggests, that installing it on dell machines is a major pain of crashes and not working gfx |
| 20:38.59 | Saar | if = why |
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| 20:40.18 | ApTek | !ubuntu |
| 20:40.18 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 20:41.28 | codazoda | I have what is probably a dumb question. I cannot seem to get my PATH variables to work. I've added 'PATH=$PATH:/my/new/path' and 'export PATH' to '~/.bash_profile' and to '/etc/profile'. But, when I 'echo $PATH' it doesn't have '/my/new/path' at the end. |
| 20:41.44 | chops | codazoda: Did you re-log-in before checking $PATH? |
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| 20:41.53 | codazoda | I did, yes. |
| 20:42.17 | Saar | hey i know, I just felt like bitching |
| 20:42.19 | chops | codazoda: Is it possible that it's being overwritten after you've set it? Have you tried setting it at the _end_ of ~/.bash_profile? |
| 20:42.28 | chops | codazoda: Also, silly question... you are running bash, right? :-) |
| 20:42.28 | codazoda | Well, I should say I logged out of gnome and back in using... Um, I forget the graphical login manager I'm using. But, I think that's the same thing.... |
| 20:42.32 | themill | codazoda: are you running a login shell? |
| 20:42.39 | codazoda | themill, yes |
| 20:42.52 | themill | codazoda: as in running bash -ls ? |
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| 20:44.20 | codazoda | themill, not sure I completely understand. In fact, I'm not completely sure I'm running bash, but I think so. I'm actually running gnome-terminal and typing my echo. |
| 20:44.42 | chops | codazoda: Try running gnome-terminal, running bash -ls, and then echoing $PATH |
| 20:44.42 | Tramp | codazoda: what gives "echo $0" in the shell in question? |
| 20:44.51 | themill | codazoda: OK. In that gnome-terminal, type "bash -ls" and then try your echo $PATH again. |
| 20:44.51 | chops | codazoda: Just to narrow down where the problem might be occurring |
| 20:45.09 | themill | codazoda: (that's a lowercase -LS btw not a one) |
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| 20:45.58 | codazoda | echo $0 returns bash. |
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| 20:46.24 | Tramp | codazoda: then it's not a login-shell |
| 20:46.33 | bodq | also "bash -x |
| 20:46.39 | bodq | also "bash -x | grep PATH" could help |
| 20:46.41 | codazoda | if I do 'bash -ls' (and in fact just bash) then echo the path, it works. |
| 20:46.42 | sparrw | wish me luck, first reboot after screwing with inittab |
| 20:46.53 | ruxpin | codazoda: is it "export $PATH" with the $ sign? |
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| 20:47.10 | bodq | sparrw: init q |
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| 20:47.28 | codazoda | sparrw, Nope... That's probably my issue. Web examples I saw didn't have that... |
| 20:47.35 | Tramp | codazoda: in gnome-terminal, edit the profile, "Title and Command", Check the "run command as login-shell" button |
| 20:48.17 | codazoda | Wait, the $ isn't necessary, right? |
| 20:48.28 | themill | ruxpin: you shouldn't include the $ in the export |
| 20:48.28 | tralala | sparrw, no need to reboot; man telinit |
| 20:48.43 | Tramp | codazoda: (Edit the profil through Edit->Current Profile) |
| 20:48.46 | themill | codazoda: your .bash_profile is not used except for login shells. If you change your gnome-terminal to run "bash -ls" not just bash, then it will work. (or what Tramp said) |
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| 20:49.48 | codazoda | Okay. I'm only testing in terminal to see if "it worked". What I'm trying to do is get my other tools to have that PATH. Specifically tkCVS when it launches ZDE. Should I put the path elsewhere? |
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| 20:51.09 | Tramp | codazoda: Yes. you would have to put it, where tkCVS honours it - wherever that is. Finding this out would probably involve studying the documentation |
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| 20:51.49 | xingu | hmm, maybe it's stripping env vars... possible |
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| 20:52.57 | xingu | aah, that's exactly it from the looks |
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| 20:53.58 | aep | whut? i have no /dev/sdb1 althought there is a partition on it |
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| 20:54.40 | codazoda | Hmm. The tkCVS docs are fairly sparse. It's a tk app that I'm executing through a gnome menu. |
| 20:55.05 | sparrw | tralala: i dont have telint, and pdo cant tell me what package its in |
| 20:55.08 | codazoda | Is there a place I can put the PATH command if I want it to work inside of BASH when it's NOT a login terminal? |
| 20:55.18 | codazoda | err. login shell. |
| 20:55.43 | yzaLyzarC | How can I find out what screencard I have? |
| 20:55.52 | justin | yzaLyzarC: screencard? |
| 20:55.54 | codazoda | Or, does it only apply to the login shell? I can see that my path is the same thing that is set in /etc/profile. But I guess it's not set BY /etc/profile. |
| 20:55.58 | themill | codazoda: .bashrc or /etc/bash/bashrc should do the trick |
| 20:56.28 | yzaLyzarC | justin: Yeah, like nvidia, ati, you know. The card you plug the screen into |
| 20:56.35 | justin | yzaLyzarC: oooh, VIDEO card |
| 20:56.41 | justin | yzaLyzarC: lspci will tell you |
| 20:57.04 | yzaLyzarC | how would I know if it is agp or pci or pci express? |
| 20:57.12 | tralala | sparrw, it's telinit, not telint |
| 20:57.12 | aep | "/dev/sdb1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!" <- what? |
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| 20:57.34 | justin | yzaLyzarC: lspci -v may have more clues |
| 20:57.36 | justin | mine for exaple shows |
| 20:57.40 | justin | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 20:57.49 | yzaLyzarC | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.00 | justin | heh :) |
| 20:58.03 | yzaLyzarC | justin: Woha, same card almost |
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| 20:58.10 | sparrw | tralala: ahh, typo on the howto i was using, thanks |
| 20:58.13 | justin | yzaLyzarC: what is the number at the beginning of the column? |
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| 20:59.09 | xingu | tralala: "init" tends to be a bit more portable |
| 20:59.13 | justin | yzaLyzarC: in lspci all the pci cards should start the same, probably as 00:xx.x, and if it is a agp card it would be probably 01:00 like mine |
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| 20:59.20 | xingu | tralala: telinit is a bit bsdish. :) |
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| 21:00.06 | Hypnus9 | Hi room. What is the easiest way to set up samba? |
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| 21:00.15 | justin | Hypnus9: apt-get install samba |
| 21:00.24 | yzaLyzarC | 01:00.0 agp? |
| 21:00.30 | justin | Hypnus9: remove the 'read-only' under the default home share. done :) |
| 21:00.35 | aep | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.36 | justin | yzaLyzarC: yep, most likely |
| 21:00.37 | aep | wtf? |
| 21:00.42 | aep | wtf is wrong with that kernel? |
| 21:00.47 | justin | aep: file -s /dev/loop0 ? |
| 21:00.49 | Hypnus9 | ok. Thanks |
| 21:00.50 | L4m3r | Am I going to regret installing the .deb that Skype provides for etch? I've hosed dependencies too many tmes and am paranoid :P |
| 21:00.52 | aep | justin: yeah |
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| 21:01.05 | aep | err no |
| 21:01.07 | sparrw | L4m3r: could be worse, could be a .rpm :) |
| 21:01.42 | L4m3r | >_< |
| 21:01.57 | tralala | xingu, point taken |
| 21:02.01 | aep | root@ibcsolutions:/xen# mount -o loop ./terrordrone /media/cdrom0/ |
| 21:02.01 | aep | /dev/loop0 looks like swapspace - not mounted |
| 21:02.10 | aep | whut? |
| 21:02.19 | aep | i just mkfsed it |
| 21:02.25 | aep | its not swap >_< |
| 21:02.46 | justin | aep: what does file say terrordrone is? |
| 21:02.52 | justin | aep: that isn't a whole disk image is it? |
| 21:03.04 | aep | root@ibcsolutions:/xen# file terrordrone |
| 21:03.04 | aep | terrordrone: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (large files) |
| 21:03.28 | aep | maybe that has something to do with the missing /dev/sdb1 ... |
| 21:03.43 | justin | perhaps.. what does ls -l /dev/loop0 show? |
| 21:03.51 | justin | maybe somehow the devices got created wrong? |
| 21:03.58 | aep | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 0 2008-01-31 21:57 /dev/loop0 |
| 21:04.11 | justin | nope.. that is right |
| 21:04.48 | justin | aep: what happens if you manually use losetup? |
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| 21:05.19 | aep | uh i never did |
| 21:05.48 | justin | aep: if you losetup and then run file -s /dev/loopwhatever you should get back the same ext3 info |
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| 21:06.42 | aep | bah never mind. the image was 1kb. |
| 21:06.47 | aep | sory |
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| 21:07.13 | Erik1 | installing etch: what is bcm43xx ? it stumbles over that when booting up the finished installation |
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| 21:08.14 | Tramp | !bcm43xx |
| 21:08.15 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. |
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| 21:08.16 | nameless` | hi |
| 21:08.22 | nameless` | i've got a keymap problem with tty |
| 21:08.45 | nameless` | each time i boot, i have to do install-keymap /usr/share/keymaps/mac/mac-fr-ext_new.kmap.gz |
| 21:08.51 | Erik1 | and how can I get rid of the appletalk protocol ? |
| 21:08.53 | nameless` | how can i make it by defaylt ? |
| 21:09.23 | yzaLyzarC | What computer do I need to run debian+kde+some aplication smoothly? (like gimp) |
| 21:09.25 | nameless` | dpkg--reconfigure console-data doesn't show me the good keymap |
| 21:09.50 | edico | hello |
| 21:10.07 | aep | justin: but maybe you have a clue why i get "mount: /dev/sdb{1} already mounted or /somedir busy" for my decond harddisk. /dev/sdb1 is missing after reboot so i tryed mkfs on the disk directyl. same resuöt |
| 21:10.13 | aep | *second |
| 21:10.25 | chops | yzaLyzarC: Lots of memory is most key; >= 512MB is my guess for where the performance starts becoming decent |
| 21:10.34 | chops | yzaLyzarC: But if you're using gimp on large images, you might need more |
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| 21:10.50 | codazoda | Thanks for you help. I understand paths properly now. I should have known this long ago. |
| 21:10.56 | justin | aep: dmesg have any clues about the partitions? |
| 21:10.58 | yzaLyzarC | chops: I've never seen it use more than 256 |
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| 21:11.08 | chops | yzaLyzarC: "it"? |
| 21:11.28 | aep | justin: nothing in dmesg about the partition. sdb is fine: sd 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sdb |
| 21:11.49 | aep | err whats that? neveer seen it: md: bind<sdb> |
| 21:11.50 | justin | aep: file -s /dev/sdb ? |
| 21:11.57 | yzaLyzarC | chops: The debian-box that is too slow, it has an amd duron 600mhs |
| 21:12.00 | aep | justin: /dev/sdb: ReiserFS V3.6 block size 4096 num blocks 78142800 r5 hash |
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| 21:12.09 | chops | yzaLyzarC: How much memory? |
| 21:12.20 | justin | aep: ahh, it looks like you don't have partitions |
| 21:12.42 | justin | aep: and the partition type is probably the raid partition type, so it thinks it is for a raid array |
| 21:12.51 | justin | aep: what's fdisk -l /dev/sdb say? |
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| 21:12.59 | yzaLyzarC | chops: 377mb SDRAM |
| 21:13.22 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 21:13.24 | aep | justin: yeah i created the fs directly on the device becouse the partitions i craeate have no device nodes |
| 21:13.34 | yzaLyzarC | chops: Would I increase preformance with a faster hd? from 5400rpm to 7400rpm? |
| 21:13.55 | justin | aep: usually they show up after creating the parition table, sometimes you have to reboot though |
| 21:14.06 | sparrw | we have a p2/266 running debian+x+iceweasel at the office... its just fine for web browsing, webmail, etc |
| 21:14.13 | aep | justin: thats the problem. they show up after fdisk but are gone after reboot |
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| 21:14.18 | Guerin | sparrw: this matches my experience. |
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| 21:14.23 | aep | justin: andf i get the same "is in use" error for them |
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| 21:14.44 | Guerin | unliek the usual whiners with a core2 and 2G of ram complaining about how iceweasel is bloatware |
| 21:14.52 | sparrw | well, it is :) |
| 21:14.54 | sparrw | its still a memory hog |
| 21:15.09 | Guerin | yes, but not to the extent it is fashionable to claim |
| 21:15.15 | sparrw | if it wasnt for site compatibility id put opera on that box instead |
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| 21:15.42 | Guerin | if it wasn't for it being so crap and utterly unfixable, I'd consider running opera |
| 21:15.56 | Tramp | aep: are you really sure you actually saved the partition-table before leaving the partition editor? |
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| 21:16.22 | aep | Tramp: yes. the devices are created when i leave |
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| 21:17.42 | hipodilski | Hi guys I have upgraded my debian kernel and restarted and hooray |
| 21:17.44 | aep | Tramp: and when i try to moun them after mkfs i get mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /somedir busy |
| 21:17.49 | hipodilski | now it boots into BUSYBOX! |
| 21:17.51 | hipodilski | Why?! |
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| 21:18.04 | edico | I want to install a debian, and I think at that skeme of partions /boot /dev/sda1 128MB primary, / 1GB /dev/sda2 primary, ntfs the unspeakable name primary, swap /dev/sda5 1GB (I have 1GB RAM) logical, /dev/sda6 /tmp 2GB logical, /var /dev/sda7 5GB logical, /usr /dev/sda8 15GB logical, /home /dev/sda9 50GB logical, /opt /dev/sda10 5GB logical. |
| 21:18.14 | hipodilski | "/init: /init: 1 canno open /dev/root: No such dvice or address |
| 21:18.16 | Tramp | aep: [22:13:25] <aep> justin: yeah i created the fs directly on the device becouse the partitions i craeate have no device nodes <-- I don't understand what you say here |
| 21:18.25 | edico | It's to much allocated? |
| 21:18.28 | hipodilski | Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init |
| 21:18.33 | chops | hipodilski: How did you upgrade your kernel, and what did you upgrade from and to? |
| 21:18.39 | hipodilski | can somebody help me with this |
| 21:18.43 | chops | hipodilski: Are there any previous error messages? |
| 21:18.43 | aep | Tramp: i tryed creating the fs without partitons to test if that has the same results |
| 21:18.46 | hipodilski | chops: using apt-get |
| 21:19.05 | yzaLyzarC | apt-get me a new computer... |
| 21:19.18 | yzaLyzarC | apt-get money |
| 21:19.31 | jetscreamer | apt-get !ops |
| 21:19.33 | chops | yzaLyzarC: 377MB is almost certainly too little for KDE+gimp |
| 21:19.48 | yzaLyzarC | chops: But it is slow without gimp too |
| 21:19.49 | hipodilski | chops: there are some error messages for missing kernel modules in /lib |
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| 21:19.57 | Tramp | aep: You use fdisk, finish with "w" for write. You have /dev/sdb1 then. Then you mkfs on /dev/sdb1. What in this sequence fails? |
| 21:20.07 | aep | Tramp: mount fails |
| 21:20.08 | chops | yzaLyzarC: I didn't say it would be fast without gimp :-) |
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| 21:20.24 | hipodilski | why does debian thinks I don't have /sbin/init? |
| 21:20.29 | yzaLyzarC | chops: I need first it too run smootly without gimp |
| 21:20.36 | chops | yzaLyzarC: Okay. Add memory. |
| 21:20.37 | hipodilski | I should note that /sbin is in the same partition as the kernel |
| 21:20.38 | hipodilski | ! |
| 21:20.47 | chops | hipodilski: You could try answering the other two questions I asked you... |
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| 21:21.11 | hipodilski | or chops I've upgraded debian etch |
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| 21:21.12 | hipodilski | sorry |
| 21:21.20 | hipodilski | I'm on stable |
| 21:21.32 | hipodilski | I'm using lilo as a boot manager |
| 21:21.38 | chops | yzaLyzarC: You might also consider switching to a lighter-weight window manager. KDE and gnome are pretty heavyweight options; something like icewm will work better for you. |
| 21:21.45 | ustunozgur | hi, is the " asoundconf" currently buggy in lenny? "asoundconf list" returns no cards. |
| 21:21.51 | chops | hipodilski: Did you rerun lilo after the kernel ugprade? |
| 21:21.57 | chops | hipodilski: When was the last time you booted? |
| 21:22.06 | yzaLyzarC | chops: Does it look good? And is it good for my openssh-server? |
| 21:22.15 | Tramp | aep: so what does file -s /dev/sdb1 say? |
| 21:22.29 | hipodilski | chops: I haven't rerun lilo after the kernel upgrade because I think debian manages that |
| 21:22.34 | chops | yzaLyzarC: Personally I use blackbox on my 256MB machine, and it works well for me more or less (though things like gimp are slow) |
| 21:22.57 | chops | hipodilski: I'm not sure that it does |
| 21:23.04 | aep | Tramp: /dev/sdb1: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) (large files) |
| 21:23.10 | chops | hipodilski: I tend not to trust that anything with lilo is handled correctly :-/ |
| 21:23.20 | chops | hipodilski: You can boot from a rescue disk and rerun lilo and see if that fixes it. |
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| 21:23.34 | chops | hipodilski: The next thing to try would be rebuilding your initrd, though that should be handled by the Debian scripts |
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| 21:24.18 | Tramp | aep: and "mount | grep sdb1" gives no output? |
| 21:24.19 | hipodilski | chops: ok |
| 21:24.20 | yzaLyzarC | chops: for what I save not buying windows I can buy an entire computer... |
| 21:24.27 | aep | Tramp: nothing |
| 21:24.32 | aep | neither lsof |
| 21:24.37 | aep | neither /proc/mounts |
| 21:24.39 | hipodilski | chops: I was thinking about that but this is a real pain in the ass since the machine doesn't have cd or anything :| |
| 21:24.49 | chops | hipodilski: :-( |
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| 21:24.56 | chops | hipodilski: Do you have an older kernel around that you can boot into? |
| 21:25.08 | hipodilski | chops: no |
| 21:25.15 | chops | hipodilski: :-( |
| 21:25.23 | hipodilski | chops: the worst is |
| 21:25.42 | chops | hipodilski: Well, if you're booting into busybox, you can try poking around and see if you can manage to mount the root partition |
| 21:25.43 | hipodilski | that the machine has not enough ide cabels |
| 21:25.44 | hipodilski | :} |
| 21:25.56 | chops | hipodilski: Actually, if it's managing to bring up the kernel and busybox, lilo is probably ok |
| 21:25.57 | hipodilski | and I have to disconnect the second hdd |
| 21:26.14 | hipodilski | chops: can I do something from busybox |
| 21:26.19 | hipodilski | ? |
| 21:26.39 | chops | hipodilski: I'm not sure what tools are available in the initrd busybox... there might be fdisk, mount, and the like. |
| 21:26.50 | hipodilski | chops: no fdisk |
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| 21:27.08 | chops | hipodilski: That is sad |
| 21:27.25 | hipodilski | chops: I can guess my hard drives |
| 21:27.35 | hipodilski | names |
| 21:27.38 | chops | hipodilski: nod |
| 21:27.47 | chops | hipodilski: Are you using RAID or any funniness like that? |
| 21:27.48 | Tramp | aep: hmm. This is weird, also because, to my understanding, if it's not in use, the journal should not need recovery |
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| 21:27.58 | hipodilski | chops: no it's old 166 mhz box |
| 21:28.05 | chops | hipodilski: odd |
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| 21:28.10 | chops | hipodilski: How long since it was last booted? |
| 21:28.12 | Gtwy | is debian testing really still on 2.6.18 |
| 21:28.19 | chops | Gtwy: no |
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| 21:28.30 | Gtwy | chops: something must be screwed up |
| 21:28.35 | hipodilski | chops: btw busybox doesn't create /dev/hdax and /dev/hdbx* |
| 21:28.38 | hipodilski | very funny huh |
| 21:28.41 | Tramp | aep: do I understand it correctly, that you say, if you would reboot now, the partition would be gone again? |
| 21:28.47 | aep | Tramp: it has never been mounted, so that would be explainable |
| 21:28.51 | aep | Tramp: yes |
| 21:28.58 | aep | Tramp: not the partiton but the device |
| 21:29.02 | Gtwy | thanks |
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| 21:30.15 | Tramp | aep: I only can guess, from what you said previously, that the md (software raid) driver claims the disk for some reason |
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| 21:30.47 | mfowle | what executable is the gnome desktop window manager? |
| 21:30.49 | aep | Tramp: possible. i have no clue what that line means |
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| 21:32.37 | Tramp | aep: I have little experience with software raid ... - do you have /proc/mdstat at all? |
| 21:32.44 | amphi | mfowle: metacity, I believe |
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| 21:33.39 | abrotman | mfowle: depends which ones you have installed |
| 21:33.53 | mfowle | what are the options? anything besides metacity and sawfish? |
| 21:34.00 | aep | Tramp: yes and it contains sdb |
| 21:34.02 | abrotman | anything else you want |
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| 21:34.07 | aep | i'm not sure why. i didnt set that up |
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| 21:34.41 | abrotman | mfowle: you can use kwin with gnome i believe ... |
| 21:34.46 | Tramp | aep: I think, this is your problem. The md claims md. I just don't know why and how to change this - somebody more experienced with this has to help here. Sorry. |
| 21:34.58 | abrotman | mfowle: i've seen people using blackbox/fluxbox .. icewm .. e16 .. all kinds of stuff |
| 21:35.01 | Tramp | aep: I mean the md claims sdb of course |
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| 21:35.46 | aep | Tramp: yeah looks like it |
| 21:35.56 | aep | i didn't setup anything mdlike *shrug* |
| 21:36.16 | aep | so anyone has a clue why md steals my disk? |
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| 21:36.26 | aep | Tramp: thank you |
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| 21:37.32 | mfowle | how can i get modeslines for a display? my 1680x1050 lcd has faint lines that appear and disappear vertically, mostly across the upper part of the dispaly. i presume its just a bad modeline. |
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| 21:38.22 | abrotman | or a bad monitor |
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| 21:39.22 | mfowle | it works fine plugged into other computers |
| 21:39.26 | mfowle | and other 1680x1050 displays work ifne |
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| 21:40.57 | mfowle | its mostly noticable with the default X background, the stitched black and white |
| 21:41.24 | mfowle | once you put a solid color on it it becomes invisible |
| 21:41.35 | mfowle | that bespeaks poor modelines to me |
| 21:42.01 | abrotman | !modeline |
| 21:42.01 | dpkg | you can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline |
| 21:42.02 | abrotman | have fun |
| 21:42.23 | mfowle | cowabunga |
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| 21:42.29 | nameless` | arrr |
| 21:42.42 | nameless` | i turn mad with this keyboard problem |
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| 21:43.10 | nameless` | does anyone can help me ? |
| 21:43.32 | nameless` | each time i boot, i have to do install-keymap /usr/share/keymaps/mac/mac-fr-ext_new.kmap.gz |
| 21:43.48 | nameless` | i tryes dpkg-reconfigure console-data, unsuccessfully |
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| 21:44.09 | nameless` | i tryed to add a script in /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 21:44.17 | nameless` | unsuccessfull again |
| 21:44.33 | nameless` | how can i put this keymap by default ? |
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| 21:45.43 | dondelelcaro | nameless`: stick it in /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz or similar. |
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| 21:46.15 | dondelelcaro | nameless`: generally you would use install-keymap to do this. |
| 21:46.56 | nameless` | yes i use install-keymap |
| 21:47.09 | nameless` | but i have to use install-keymap each time i boot |
| 21:47.17 | dondelelcaro | nameless`: no, you only have to use it once. |
| 21:47.52 | nameless` | well |
| 21:47.58 | nameless` | it doesn't works so |
| 21:48.07 | nameless` | because i really have to use each time i boot |
| 21:48.18 | nameless` | if not, i've got a wrong keymap |
| 21:48.27 | ericP_ | what's a good debug path if i suspect udev is not creating /dev/ttyUSBn? |
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| 21:48.42 | frojnd1 | hello there |
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| 21:48.51 | frojnd1 | can someone give me a list of all debian distros ? |
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| 21:49.20 | dondelelcaro | nameless`: does /etc/console/boottime.keymap.gz actually have the keymap that you expect? does loadkeys -q /etc/console/boottime.keymap.gz; actually load the right keymap? |
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| 21:49.26 | ericP_ | frojnd1, names like stable, testing and unstable? |
| 21:49.29 | dondelelcaro | frojnd1: there's only one, and it's called Debian. |
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| 21:50.06 | dondelelcaro | frojnd1: if you mean suites, like stable, or releases, like etch, that's something else entirely. |
| 21:50.33 | dondelelcaro | (well, I lie slightly, we have Debian GNU/Linux, Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, Debian GNU/HURD and a few others...) |
| 21:50.50 | frojnd1 | dondelelcaro, debian like |
| 21:51.20 | dondelelcaro | frojnd1: we don't track those; distro-watch has some kind of a list. There are probably close to a thousand derivatives. |
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| 21:52.45 | nameless` | dondelelcaro: replacing /etc/console/boottime by the good keymap stille doesn't works |
| 21:52.59 | dondelelcaro | nameless`: you don't replace it. You use install-keymap to replace it. |
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| 21:53.15 | dondelelcaro | you can't stick a random keymap there, as keymaps have dependencies |
| 21:54.29 | dondelelcaro | (and it should in general be called /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz, not /etc/console/boottime) |
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| 21:55.04 | JordiGH | Meh, major b0rkage in lenny amd64. :-/ |
| 21:55.27 | dondelelcaro | filed the bugs? |
| 21:55.31 | JordiGH | No sound, no synaptics touchpad, compiz won't work, gnash won't play YouTube vidoes... |
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| 21:55.32 | karsten | Why would rpc.statd, dbus-daemon, tor, hald, hald-addon-acpi, and exim4 be running with UIDs not listed in /etc/passwd, and more to the point, how can I fix this. ps waux output: http://paste.debian.net/48160 |
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| 21:56.01 | nameless` | dondelelcaro: install-keymap /usr/share/keymaps/mac/mac-fr-ext_new.kmap.gz ? |
| 21:56.15 | dondelelcaro | nameless`: if that's the right keymap, yes. |
| 21:56.20 | karsten | The binaries are *not* suid/sgid installed, but appear to be switching uid/gid when launched. I can't find anything in config files suggesting why they're doing that. |
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| 21:56.23 | JordiGH | Let's start with the sound first. Before I file a bug, can we first make sure that I didn't mess it up myself? |
| 21:56.26 | nameless` | dondelelcaro: that's what i do each time i boot ! |
| 21:56.31 | dondelelcaro | nameless`: as root? |
| 21:56.35 | nameless` | as sudo |
| 21:56.40 | bohsain | hi all |
| 21:56.51 | dondelelcaro | nameless`: if you've done it once, then you should have a /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz for that keymap. |
| 21:56.55 | JordiGH | alsaconf seems to run, correctly reports what sound card I have, but no program can see my sound card, not even alsamixer. |
| 21:57.12 | bohsain | i have problem in Sid when i try to burn an iso image i get error... |
| 21:57.14 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 21:57.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 21:57.22 | dondelelcaro | karsten: and getent passwd 102; FE, fails to return anything? |
| 21:57.23 | nameless` | i don't know, but it doesn't works |
| 21:57.33 | dondelelcaro | nameless`: check. |
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| 21:57.37 | nameless` | frojnd1: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3370/2500/1600/GNULinuxupdatedw4.0.jpg |
| 21:57.53 | nameless` | dondelelcaro: yes, i've got a boottime.kmap.gz in /etc/console and then ? |
| 21:57.58 | frojnd1 | nameless`, thanx!! |
| 21:58.15 | dondelelcaro | nameless`: does loadkeys -q /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz; load the keymap that you expect? |
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| 21:59.03 | JordiGH | abrotman, the only thing I don't know how to do there is unload OSS modules. |
| 21:59.14 | abrotman | so ask .. |
| 21:59.36 | mick_home | omfg - a mindmap |
| 21:59.38 | JordiGH | That was a question... but if alsamixer can't find "mixer elems", I'm a little skeptical. |
| 21:59.39 | nameless` | dondelelcaro: not in sudo : permission denied, as sudo ok that's works i've got the good keymap |
| 21:59.51 | abrotman | that wasn't a question |
| 21:59.52 | mick_home | there was a guy at my work who had like 3 meetings about how cool they are |
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| 22:00.21 | JordiGH | abrotman, well, excuse me, Mr Jeopardy. :-) "what is unloading OSS modules?" |
| 22:00.24 | mick_home | i'm still not sold on that concept |
| 22:00.25 | dondelelcaro | nameless`: yes, you have to do it as sudo; ok, then you've got the right console kmap in place, and your mission is to figure out why /etc/rcS.d/S05keymap isn't loading the keymap like it should. |
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| 22:00.43 | nameless` | hum.. |
| 22:00.53 | abrotman | JordiGH: lsmod .. see any OSS modules? likely not .. but you'd remove them modprobe -r <module> |
| 22:01.37 | bkw | How do I get the automount working with HAL? Right now when I attach a usb storage device I get a error which sais that due to security reasons the Hal can't mount and show the device |
| 22:02.06 | JordiGH | bkw: Are you in the plugdev group? |
| 22:02.07 | Gun_Smoke | Anyone know of a collection of all debian releases? I was thinking of pulling all releases together to hold on to. |
| 22:02.30 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: already done |
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| 22:02.48 | abrotman | !archive |
| 22:02.48 | dpkg | hmm... archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 22:02.52 | abrotman | see the last url |
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| 22:03.15 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman: thanks. |
| 22:03.49 | bkw | JordiGH: Do users have to be added manually to that group? Hold on, I'll edit /etc/group |
| 22:04.04 | bohsain | i have problem in Sid when i try to burn an iso image i get error... |
| 22:04.15 | nameless` | dondelelcaro: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54260/ |
| 22:04.19 | Guerin | bohsain: welcome to Sid |
| 22:04.26 | nameless` | dondelelcaro: i see just one loadkey |
| 22:04.33 | nameless` | and it doesn't load the keymap |
| 22:04.36 | JordiGH | bkw: newly created users might. Debian by default only creates one user at install time, and that user will be in plugdev. Depending on how you create more users, they may or may not be in plugdev by default. |
| 22:04.46 | nameless` | opps i miss |
| 22:04.48 | bohsain | Guerin, th.x :) |
| 22:04.52 | nameless` | there is one at the bottom |
| 22:05.02 | nameless` | ${CONFFILE} |
| 22:05.11 | JordiGH | Alright, I went through the ALSA checklist. No sound. :-( |
| 22:05.34 | amphi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:05.37 | Guerin | bohsain: that's all the help you'll get with it, too. |
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| 22:05.51 | amphi | JordiGH: or what kernel? |
| 22:05.55 | dondelelcaro | nameless`: there are two of them; most likely your issue is that you don't have your keyboard sending linux keycodes by modifying /etc/syscntl.conf, so that only gets set way late in the boot process. |
| 22:06.30 | JordiGH | amphi: alsa 1.0.15-4, kernel 2.6.22-3-amd4 |
| 22:06.40 | JordiGH | Er, 2.6.22-3-amd64 |
| 22:06.55 | bohsain | Guerin, so there's a problem in sid with burning iso images? |
| 22:07.10 | Guerin | bohsain: Sid has problems. For details, see the BTS. |
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| 22:07.44 | bkw | JordiGH: I've added the user to the plugdev group and attached an usb memory, but still I get http://geting.se/viewimage.php?image=83079-error.jpg |
| 22:07.59 | amphi | JordiGH: it should work with that version of alsa - have you perchance disable the modem in the bios? |
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| 22:08.27 | JordiGH | amphi: The modem? What does the modem have to do with the soundcard? |
| 22:09.36 | JordiGH | bkw: Login and logout with that user. |
| 22:09.36 | JordiGH | bkw: And try again. |
| 22:09.36 | bkw | ok |
| 22:09.36 | nameless` | dondelelcaro: i have no file keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes in /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/ |
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| 22:09.42 | amphi | JordiGH: a lot, from what I here - if you disable it, the soundcard will not work correctly, in at least some laptops |
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| 22:09.49 | amphi | *I hear, dammit |
| 22:10.07 | dondelelcaro | nameless`: my suggestion then is to add a set -x to the top of that init script, and see the output when you boot next. |
| 22:10.08 | JordiGH | amphi: Hum. I see. Do I have to perhaps get the modem non-free drivers working, then? |
| 22:10.21 | dondelelcaro | nameless`: possibly fork a shell in the middle of the install too |
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| 22:10.30 | amphi | JordiGH: no; just that the 'modem' must be enabled in the bios |
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| 22:10.53 | bkw | JordiGH: still the same error, the user is member in bkw root audio plugdev |
| 22:10.59 | nameless1 | dondelelcaro: add -x at which script ? |
| 22:11.02 | JordiGH | amphi: Well... I don't think I disabled it. But I could go check. |
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| 22:11.07 | JordiGH | bkw: root is a group? |
| 22:11.12 | hydoskee | what's the best way to get files to run on boot up? |
| 22:11.13 | JordiGH | amphi: brb |
| 22:11.18 | hydoskee | eg: configuration scripts for things? |
| 22:11.22 | nameless1 | S05keyboards ? |
| 22:11.35 | streuner_ | hydoskee: depends |
| 22:11.39 | dondelelcaro | nameless1: S05keymap |
| 22:11.50 | nameless1 | dondelelcaro: add -x where ^^ |
| 22:11.52 | dkr | hydoskee: create an init script and update-rc.d it to the appropriate runlevels |
| 22:12.05 | dondelelcaro | nameless1: the top |
| 22:12.15 | nameless1 | i don't understand |
| 22:12.15 | dkr | hydoskee: or just add to /etc/rc.local |
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| 22:12.23 | DrusT | hi |
| 22:12.43 | streuner_ | hydoskee: there is also /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:12.45 | dondelelcaro | nameless1: set -x. It's a shell command. Add it immediately following the ### END INIT bit at the top |
| 22:12.54 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Debian-exim:x:102:102::/var/spool/exim4:/bin/false |
| 22:13.00 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Hrm. |
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| 22:13.01 | DrusT | I have troubles with network too : |
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| 22:13.32 | DrusT | udev intent to rename my wireless interface to eth2 but fail |
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| 22:13.45 | DrusT | there is an empty interface eth2 created |
| 22:13.51 | karsten | dondelelcaro: OK, looks like only 123 fails to return. |
| 22:13.53 | DrusT | and a wireless "wlan0_rename" too |
| 22:14.03 | nameless1 | dondelelcaro: what it is suppose to do ? |
| 22:14.09 | DrusT | (iwl3945 module) |
| 22:14.19 | dondelelcaro | nameless1: it'll output everything that is run in that script, so you can see what is going on. help set. |
| 22:14.21 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ... but why wouldn't ps be returning a username rather than an UID for these? |
| 22:14.38 | dondelelcaro | karsten: I'm not entirely sure, actually. I've noticed that it sometimes doesn't, almost at random. |
| 22:14.58 | bkw | Anyone who know how to fix the hal error http://geting.se/viewimage.php?image=83079-error.jpg I get when I attach a usb device? (the user is member in plugdev group) |
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| 22:15.21 | karsten | dondelelcaro: OK, so that's another problem. Meantime how do I get rpc.statd to run under a valid user? |
| 22:15.24 | nameless1 | dondelelcaro: ok, i didn't know this command |
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| 22:17.26 | mranostay_office | how can reinstall all packages? |
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| 22:17.39 | mranostay_office | i.e like a world build |
| 22:17.45 | Tramp | karsten: ps returns the uid if the name is >8 characters |
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| 22:17.51 | streuner_ | there is a factoid for, but usually i just doesnt work |
| 22:18.01 | karsten | Tramp: Got a reference on that? |
| 22:18.13 | JordiGH | amphi, nope, nothing like a modem disabled in the BIOS. |
| 22:18.24 | streuner_ | mranostay_office: "world build"? |
| 22:18.25 | Tramp | karsten: no. someone hat this problem a couple of weeks ago, and I checked it manually |
| 22:18.38 | mranostay_office | streuner: how do i reinstall every package? |
| 22:18.40 | amphi | JordiGH: this is what alsamixer looks like here, FWIW, http://picpaste.com/pics/ss-amixer.1201817821.png |
| 22:18.44 | Tramp | karsten: I also checked the manpage, but its not in there |
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| 22:18.57 | JordiGH | I wish I could get a better error than "lolz, no sound u suck" |
| 22:19.02 | streuner_ | mranostay_office: every package? |
| 22:19.10 | nameless1 | dondelelcaro: where i can see the debug line ? |
| 22:19.12 | streuner_ | mranostay_office: why do you want that? |
| 22:19.20 | mranostay_office | i just do, how do it do it? |
| 22:19.29 | amphi | JordiGH: does yours look similar? |
| 22:19.35 | JordiGH | amphi: Well, here alsamixer says "lolz, no sound u suck". |
| 22:19.40 | nameless1 | dondelelcaro: it didn't print on the screen during the boot |
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| 22:19.44 | nameless1 | or i missed it |
| 22:19.45 | karsten | Tramp: OK, thanks. |
| 22:19.47 | amphi | JordiGH: no channels? |
| 22:19.49 | JordiGH | amphi: Actually, it says "no mixer elements found" and it doesn't even load. |
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| 22:20.22 | JordiGH | "no mixer elems found" |
| 22:20.24 | amphi | JordiGH: but snd_hda_intel loads ok? |
| 22:20.29 | enzo | is there a gui to update packages on debian ? for now i use aptitude |
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| 22:20.36 | JordiGH | amphi: Yep, modprobed it, no error, can't see anything weird in dmesg. |
| 22:20.41 | karsten | Tramp: ps ax -o pid,uid,user |
| 22:20.48 | JordiGH | enzo: aptitude is a gui. :-) |
| 22:20.51 | karsten | Tramp: .... will show the real username even if > 8 chars. |
| 22:20.53 | amphi | JordiGH: aumix shows anything? |
| 22:20.58 | JordiGH | enzo: It lets you use the mouse. |
| 22:21.01 | bkw | JordiGH: wb |
| 22:21.05 | karsten | Tramp: So thanks, 123 is my only problem. |
| 22:21.10 | bkw | JordiGH: Still get the same error :( |
| 22:21.14 | amphi | JordiGH: I hate to ask, but it's not muted by a hw button? ;) |
| 22:21.20 | Tramp | karsten: ah, ok. Interesting. ps has too many too conflicting options anyways. |
| 22:21.25 | amphi | JordiGH: belay that ;) |
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| 22:21.33 | enzo | ok JordiGH but more graphical, synaptic is working for debian ? |
| 22:21.35 | JordiGH | amphi: No, it isn't. :-) |
| 22:21.55 | nameless1 | well, i'll add a session script, what is the init-session script ? |
| 22:22.00 | JordiGH | abrotman, remember what I told you about people being scared of monospaced fonts? Witness enzo. |
| 22:22.20 | amphi | JordiGH: I ask about aumix, because it showed a 'channel' not visible in alsamixer, 'pcm2', without which only one stereo channel worked here |
| 22:22.25 | nameless1 | ops i can't |
| 22:22.30 | nameless1 | because sudo can |
| 22:22.32 | enzo | euh i'm not a person scared about such font, i'm using the console for 10 years... |
| 22:22.38 | frojnd1 | I have nmap 192.168.0* and here is the output http://pastebin.ca/886759 what does that mean that there are 4 more computers connected to the router: 192.168.0.1 ? |
| 22:22.48 | enzo | but always fun to have a good gui just to show off |
| 22:22.55 | JordiGH | enzo: Yes, you can use Synaptic in Debian, but it doesn't have as good a conflict resolution mechanism as aptitude. |
| 22:23.08 | enzo | ok so aptitude, thanks |
| 22:23.16 | JordiGH | enzo: So it's the people around you who are scared of monospaced fonts |
| 22:23.16 | JordiGH | ? |
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| 22:23.26 | enzo | yes |
| 22:23.45 | JordiGH | enzo: I motion to bring back the monospace. Life was good back then. |
| 22:23.48 | xdr | anyone got a tip about a good ircd? |
| 22:23.51 | enzo | i've never used konqueror, always konsole, everyone is scared when i move a file |
| 22:24.03 | JordiGH | amphi: "aumix: no device found." |
| 22:24.04 | xdr | hehe |
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| 22:25.12 | amphi | JordiGH: in the bios, are all the pci entries set to 11 or auto? I've quite often seen them all set to 11, and that has caused problems (at least changing them to auto has made mysterious hw problems go away for me in the past) |
| 22:25.25 | amphi | JordiGH: pci irq settings |
| 22:25.30 | JordiGH | amphi: I didn't see any options in the BIOS for setting pci anything. |
| 22:25.41 | enzo | after hours trying to switch to kubuntu, i stick to my good debian |
| 22:26.02 | JordiGH | amphi: For the record, I didn't mess around with the BIOS, and the sound was working when I had Ubuntu installed on this thing. :-( |
| 22:26.11 | enzo | package conflict on kubuntu at first install, it's really not serious... |
| 22:26.33 | amphi | JordiGH: hmm... does /proc/interrupts look reasonable? |
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| 22:28.04 | JordiGH | amphi: define reasonable: http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/interrupts |
| 22:28.12 | JordiGH | Er, |
| 22:28.17 | JordiGH | http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/interrupt |
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| 22:29.46 | JordiGH | My synaptics touchpad is also not working. :-/ |
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| 22:30.16 | karsten | Tramp: Yeah. I'm in a heterogenous 'Nix environment at work, had to write a specific script to invoke ps on all the different hosts with options strings to get both the information I needed and formatted the same on all platforms. |
| 22:30.18 | amphi | JordiGH: looks ok; what kernel was the Other Distro running? |
| 22:30.53 | JordiGH | amphi: I forgot... it was the G release, latest. Might have been newer. |
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| 22:31.25 | Saar | for some reason debian 4.0R2 netinst doesnt recognise the sata cdrom in this Dell optiplex 755, anyone know about known issues with this machine? |
| 22:31.32 | amphi | JordiGH: I don't recall if I got sound going before I installed 2.6.24 ;) |
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| 22:31.50 | Tramp | karsten: poor you. I'm trying to completely forget the BSD syntax of ps (which I was used to from Solaris probably) and only use the (to me) more logical Unix-syntax. |
| 22:32.00 | JordiGH | amphi: Great. Maybe the time has come for me to compile my own kernel. What lappy are you using anyways? |
| 22:32.30 | amphi | x61s |
| 22:32.39 | JordiGH | Isn't that also a Dell? |
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| 22:32.50 | amphi | JordiGH: no, lenovo stinkpad |
| 22:32.56 | Flimzy | Is there any way to rebuild/repair a corrupt status file? |
| 22:33.07 | Tramp | karsten: actually, everytime I find myself typing "auxww" I backspace and replace it with "-ef" to punish myself |
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| 22:33.30 | schaf | hi! |
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| 22:33.44 | amphi | baa |
| 22:34.11 | karsten | Tramp: Yeah. AIX, Solaris, HPUX. As far as I'm concerned, the GNU syntax is standard, and the vendors should just scrap their userlands. |
| 22:34.18 | JordiGH | amphi: Hm, a Colombian seems to suggest a fix: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=121720 |
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| 22:35.12 | baloo | karsten++ |
| 22:35.33 | schaf | in fedora 6/7/8 i have a support for the brightnesssettingbuttons on my laptop. in debian lenny is this feature not out of the box supported. how can i get this feature? |
| 22:35.35 | Tramp | karsten: iirc we installed the gnu-tools everywhere (don't they come with Solaris at least in some special path) just to have a consistent toolbase |
| 22:35.37 | karsten | OK: What user *should* rpc.statd run as? I've got a statd user (UID 103) in /etc/passwd. So why is rpc.statd running as 123 instead? |
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| 22:36.15 | karsten | Tramp: Yeah, we're sorta there, but what we end up with is toolchains all over belovin' jeebus. |
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| 22:36.45 | karsten | Tramp: My PATH is 471 bytes long |
| 22:36.48 | dkr | karsten: etch? |
| 22:36.56 | amphi | JordiGH: rmmodding and modprobing, you mean? |
| 22:37.12 | karsten | dkr: unstable. |
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| 22:37.31 | karsten | dkr: lenny/sid, but etch should be good enough for starters. |
| 22:37.36 | amphi | JordiGH: AFAICS. that's just for enabling audio after hibernation |
| 22:37.49 | JordiGH | amphi: No, at the top, very first green thing. |
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| 22:38.11 | dkr | karsten: well, I can just confirm rpc.statd runs as statd user on etch for me (uid 101) |
| 22:38.24 | BSD | hola |
| 22:38.28 | karsten | dkr: Feh. |
| 22:38.32 | JordiGH | amphi: It says "create this file in /etc/modprobe.d" and put "this in it". |
| 22:38.33 | JordiGH | !es |
| 22:38.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:38.37 | mage__ | is there a way to get a dependancy tree? im curious why xorg needs cpp |
| 22:38.39 | BSD | ok |
| 22:38.44 | amphi | JordiGH: oops, missed that |
| 22:38.46 | karsten | dkr: Somewhere it's got a hardcode to run as UID 123 then... |
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| 22:39.24 | JordiGH | mage__, It's not a tree, it's a complicated graph, but you can use dotty. Do "apt-cache dotty package-whose-graph-you-want > foo" and then "dotty foo" after you install the graphviz package. |
| 22:39.39 | rcbarnes | Now, I know that it's entirely my choice to run testing, so don't take this as a complaint, but is it expected that every time I run a dist-upgrade more things will break? Is this something that will get rapidly better as lenny approaches release, or can I only get a solid system by starting with a stable release? |
| 22:40.03 | karsten | rcbarnes: You should anticipate this, yes. |
| 22:40.06 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: it's not that more things will break, but that different things will be broken, and usually the other things will get fixed. |
| 22:40.22 | karsten | rcbarnes: Ideally, it doesn't, but there's a risk involved, and you should be open to it. |
| 22:40.39 | rcbarnes | karsten, dondelelcaro: though things will suddenly start getting better as lenny approaches release? |
| 22:40.41 | JordiGH | amphi: I'm curious to try out compiling my own 2.6.24 kernel, since it seems that things get better there, but I know I'm bound to royally mess up the kernel compile. I've never done it. |
| 22:40.54 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: no, they'll incrementally get better the entire time. |
| 22:40.57 | karsten | rcbarnes: At release, testing freezes, so things generally stop changing as much. |
| 22:41.03 | amphi | JordiGH: you could just use the debian config |
| 22:41.12 | amphi | JordiGH: and make-kpkg --initrd |
| 22:41.14 | karsten | rcbarnes: Then all hell breaks loose after release and updates start pouring in again. |
| 22:41.14 | rcbarnes | dondelelcaro, karsten: thanks. |
| 22:41.21 | amphi | JordiGH: if you feel lazy ;) |
| 22:41.33 | rcbarnes | karsten: Well, I'm using lenny by name, so I will avoid that next time. |
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| 22:41.36 | JordiGH | amphi: If I break everything, worse that will happen is that I'll just have to boot the old kernel, right? |
| 22:41.39 | karsten | rcbarnes: I've been running testing/unstable for about seven years now. I've had a couple-three times where something major fried. |
| 22:41.53 | amphi | JordiGH: BTW, I had already forgotten, the snd_hda_intel module does take a model=foo arg |
| 22:42.01 | rcbarnes | I started just before etch was released, so I had a distorted idea of how stable testing is |
| 22:42.03 | karsten | rcbarnes: ... other than that, it's less painful than any other distro I've used (RH, SuSE, Mandrake). |
| 22:42.08 | BSD | somebody Know something about the Debian/Freebsd project |
| 22:42.14 | JordiGH | amphi: Where does that arg go? |
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| 22:42.18 | karsten | !tell BSD about polls |
| 22:42.22 | amphi | JordiGH: I have options snd-hda-intel model=thinkpad in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 22:42.30 | karsten | BSD: Try a specific question. Or Google. |
| 22:42.30 | JordiGH | Debian... it's not just Linux anymore. |
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| 22:42.54 | rcbarnes | karsten: Do I just have bad luck? Atm, I lost my terminal (urxvt) video player (mplayer) and at least two other things I generally need and I have to chroot to etch to use. |
| 22:42.56 | amphi | JordiGH: you can test it on the command line, modprobe snd_hda_intel model=foo |
| 22:43.18 | rcbarnes | s/lost/have lost/ (it's been progressive, with mplayer going first) |
| 22:43.21 | JordiGH | And how do I find what model it is? |
| 22:43.35 | amphi | JordiGH: therein lies the wub |
| 22:43.40 | karsten | rcbarnes: par for the course is that some given app breaks for a while. |
| 22:43.55 | JordiGH | amphi: Isn't there at least a terse manpage? :-) |
| 22:44.12 | JordiGH | "man snd-hda-intel" ---> "lolz, u sux" |
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| 22:44.24 | karsten | rcbarnes: File a bug, check the BTS, see if it's fixed in unstable. You can run a testing/unstable release, pin to testing, and pull from unstable (man aptitude) when necessary to get updated packages before they're in testing. |
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| 22:44.43 | karsten | rcbarnes: ... or you can sit in the (very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very) stable world of "stable". |
| 22:45.15 | shamrock | karsten: stable is not stable in terms of the quality of the applications. |
| 22:45.18 | rcbarnes | karsten: I'll look into that, though I'm finshing a B.S. and a B.A. both this semester, so time is limited. |
| 22:45.30 | karsten | shamrock: No, it's stable in the sense of the distro doesn't change. |
| 22:45.43 | shamrock | except for security updates. |
| 22:45.56 | karsten | shamrock: I'm familiar with the policy, thanks. |
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| 22:46.25 | karsten | rcbarnes: If you're familiar with the package management system and don't mind the prospect of dealing with periodic issues, I find it's a very good tradeoff. |
| 22:46.48 | amphi | JordiGH: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Hda |
| 22:47.14 | karsten | rcbarnes: If you're running enterprise stuff or can't stand any hassle, stick with stable or try something like Ubuntu, which gives you a bit more in the way of training wheels and a more frequent release cycle. Not without its own hairyness though either. |
| 22:47.16 | amphi | JordiGH: I note that thinpad is not there, so either it's out of date, or 'thinkpad' is a noöp ;) |
| 22:47.54 | karsten | rcbarnes: stable: functionality of packages won't change, no functional updates, only bugfixes and security, unless absolutely necessary (eg: can't fix bug w/o changing behavior). |
| 22:48.04 | JordiGH | "If in doubt, check the source code for alsa" |
| 22:48.06 | JordiGH | Great. |
| 22:48.09 | rcbarnes | karsten: Ew. Come now! Just 'cause I overestimated testing, don't suggest ubuntu! |
| 22:48.12 | rcbarnes | :-P |
| 22:48.20 | amphi | heh |
| 22:48.30 | karsten | rcbarnes: stable mostly intended for enterprise server deployment where a multi-year platform stability committment is necessary. |
| 22:48.34 | karsten | rcbarnes: :) |
| 22:48.38 | rcbarnes | I have been using Linux for years, I'm just new to Debian. |
| 22:49.00 | rcbarnes | I got sick of gentoo, RH was too wonky, and slack was too much work. |
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| 22:49.01 | karsten | rcbarnes: Eg: where I work (though the solution here is to run RHEL3 as the designated standard... <sigh>). |
| 22:49.02 | JordiGH | amphi: I've never compiled a kernel. I think this is a necessary rite of passage. How do I do it? |
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| 22:50.00 | karsten | rcbarnes: Welcome aboard. Read the docs at http://www.debian.org/doc/, and I *HIGHLY* recommend http://debiansystem.info/ (the book). |
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| 22:51.19 | karsten | rcbarnes: at the Debian website I'd start w/ the docs more or less in order presented, through the first 4 or 5 (IG, FAQ, Reference, Release Notes, Wiki). |
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| 22:51.46 | karsten | rcbarnes: The FAQ & Reference being particularly good. Martin Krafft's book is an absolute gem though. |
| 22:52.34 | JordiGH | !info linux-image-2.6.23 |
| 22:52.59 | Guerin | add -1-$arch |
| 22:53.14 | karsten | Guerin: ?? |
| 22:53.53 | JordiGH | !info linux-image-2.6.23-1-amd64 |
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| 22:54.01 | themill | 2.6.23 isn't in debian anywhere |
| 22:54.06 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 22:54.22 | themill | linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 is now in sid, .23 is gone. |
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| 22:54.35 | themill | (well, there's still snapshots) |
| 22:54.50 | JordiGH | Hm, really? |
| 22:54.56 | JordiGH | What was wrong with .23? |
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| 22:55.03 | JordiGH | But only 686? No amd64? |
| 22:55.20 | Hypnus1 | Hi room. How do I access my debian server with my windows client? How do I set the permissions on debian? |
| 22:55.44 | themill | 2.6.23 is old news now. It never made it into lenny and since there's a newer, shinier kernel around it replaces it in sid. -amd64 is also uploaded. |
| 22:55.53 | Erik1 | Hypnus1: samba ? |
| 22:55.59 | JordiGH | Hypnus1, install openssh-server in Debian and use Putty from Windows. For setting permissions, read "info coreutils chmod" |
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| 22:56.07 | JordiGH | themill: Alrighty, let me try. |
| 22:56.19 | jetscreamer | the .24 linux source got updated too ... muhahahaha |
| 22:56.23 | Hypnus1 | I have been trying samba, but I can't get it to do thew trick. |
| 22:56.43 | Erik1 | HYpnus1: FW ? |
| 22:56.43 | jetscreamer | !pal debian linux source maintainer |
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| 22:57.19 | Erik1 | Hypnus1: fwS....plural |
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| 22:57.49 | Hypnus1 | infor corutils chmod |
| 22:58.05 | howlingmadhowie | oo, lots of people |
| 22:58.11 | Hypnus1 | whoops. sorry |
| 22:58.42 | Hypnus1 | Thanks guys. I'll get it. |
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| 23:00.00 | JordiGH | ls |
| 23:00.06 | JordiGH | Er... wrong window. |
| 23:00.30 | dkr | . |
| 23:00.31 | dkr | .. |
| 23:00.33 | dkr | porn |
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| 23:00.56 | amphi | JordiGH: BTW, I just tested with the 'model=thinkpad' line commented out (having found no such reference in the code), and sound works fine after rmmodding and modprobing |
| 23:01.13 | amphi | JordiGH: looks like that one was pure superstition ;) |
| 23:01.23 | JordiGH | amphi: Cargo-cult programming. |
| 23:01.30 | amphi | ;) |
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| 23:01.40 | dkr | sync;sync;sync |
| 23:01.43 | JordiGH | amphi: I'm gonna try the .24 kernel in unstable. Worse that can happen is that I'll have to reboot the old kernel, right? |
| 23:01.54 | amphi | right |
| 23:02.03 | StrangeCharm | what's the command to list the disks availible on my system? |
| 23:02.51 | howlingmadhowie | StrangeCharm: "cat /proc/partitions" should help |
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| 23:02.56 | JordiGH | StrangeCharm: There isn't something like that exactly... |
| 23:03.25 | JordiGH | StrangeCharm: Linux doesn't care too much about disks. It cares more about what's mounted on the tree. |
| 23:03.33 | dkr | dmesg |grep '[sh]d' |
| 23:03.42 | Erik1 | etch2R2 does not let me be very picky in choosing the packages to have installed... is there a way around the default choice ? |
| 23:04.01 | Erik1 | etchR2 |
| 23:04.20 | JordiGH | Erik1: You can tell tasksel to not install anything at all and then manually choose packages with aptitude or synaptic later. |
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| 23:04.42 | JordiGH | Erik1: Or with adept. You get the idea. |
| 23:04.47 | Erik1 | how do I access tasksel during install ? |
| 23:04.47 | StrangeCharm | howlingmadhowie, JordiGH: when trying to install uswsusp, it says that there's are more than one available swap partition, and i want to see what they are |
| 23:05.02 | jetscreamer | swapon -s |
| 23:05.20 | dkr | Erik1: that's the normal step that asks if you want a desktop, a web server, etc. |
| 23:05.22 | jetscreamer | Erik1: it's under that install software one |
| 23:05.27 | Erik1 | JordiGH : by just choosing nothing ? |
| 23:05.45 | Erik1 | ok |
| 23:05.46 | JordiGH | Erik1: Choose nothing from tasksel, then manually choose later, yeah. :-/ |
| 23:05.48 | jetscreamer | take all marks off in tasksel.. tasksel sucks |
| 23:06.32 | JordiGH | tasksel lied to me yesterday. I said "tasksel --task-packages desktop" and there wasn't a gnome dependency there, and gnome got installed anyways! |
| 23:06.51 | JordiGH | But I think I'm starting to like gnome more than the big K. |
| 23:07.09 | JordiGH | amphi: Ok, gonna boot the .24 kernel. brb |
| 23:07.29 | jetscreamer | the .24-pentiumpro kernel |
| 23:07.41 | JordiGH | There's such a thing? |
| 23:07.44 | JordiGH | .24-amd64 |
| 23:07.57 | jetscreamer | the -686 is optimized for ppro |
| 23:08.07 | JordiGH | I've got core 2 duo. |
| 23:08.12 | howlingmadhowie | jetscreamer: "swapon -s" only gives information for partitions currently running as swap partitions. the way i see it is, StrangeCharm has a number of partitions formatted as swap. but maybe i'm wrong here |
| 23:08.21 | jetscreamer | fdisk -l then |
| 23:10.14 | jetscreamer | time to see how this new kernel source does ... least it compiled :) |
| 23:10.27 | howlingmadhowie | jetscreamer: oh wow. that looks wierd on my system! :) |
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| 23:12.35 | Zee | http://bux.to/?r=ZeeYPeeWee <<<--- visit / register . click on the links / and earn a lot of money, you may earn more than 300 USD / month, i did earn more !!! register now |
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| 23:14.06 | xingu | hmm, curious, there's a timing bug between xscreensaver and compiz fusion |
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| 23:15.00 | nelf | oneliner for firefox flash plugin on amd64 etch? |
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| 23:16.42 | Nyle | hello |
| 23:16.47 | enzo | how can i know if a bug in the intaller has been fixed in last debian stable ? (this bug : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393728) |
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| 23:17.14 | JordiGH | Yay! |
| 23:17.28 | husimon | hey what is that key combination to reset a terminal if you have cat a binary file and hosed it? |
| 23:17.29 | JordiGH | synaptics touchpad works with .24 kernel. |
| 23:17.30 | xingu | if I stretch this gpu a bit with fsaa/aniso, then all's well; if I don't stretch it, say 2x quicunx multisampling, 8x aniso which it can do standing on its head - then _returning_ from screensaver, the window manager won't gain control |
| 23:17.38 | Nyle | nspluginwrapper, backported, therefore not in etch.... you can setup maybe wine+firefox, or run a 32bit firefox using ia32libs or just run a 32bit chroot |
| 23:17.45 | JordiGH | Still no sound, but at least now applications seem to believe that a sound card exists (probably something muted in a non-obvious way). |
| 23:17.45 | xingu | I'll just be left with a movable pointer, no desktop/menus/windows. |
| 23:17.48 | themill | husimon: type: reset |
| 23:17.55 | JordiGH | Compiz works. |
| 23:17.57 | Nyle | gododamit |
| 23:18.00 | husimon | hmm thanks |
| 23:18.01 | xingu | it's trivially reproducable too |
| 23:18.05 | JordiGH | I'm sorry I ever doubted you, Debian! |
| 23:18.05 | husimon | i thought there was also a key combination |
| 23:18.09 | Nyle | channel events on ignore |
| 23:18.18 | Nyle | JordiGH: did you get me message yesternight? |
| 23:18.24 | JordiGH | Nyle: No, what was it? |
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| 23:18.47 | Nyle | I didn't want you to think I called you an idiot in general |
| 23:18.48 | JordiGH | I guess next thing is to test suspend and hibernate... |
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| 23:18.57 | JordiGH | Nyle: Oh, I forgot about that. |
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| 23:19.01 | Nyle | I simply said, if you think I said what I said you're an idiot, but not in so many words |
| 23:19.02 | xingu | JordiGH: new toy? |
| 23:19.07 | JordiGH | Nyle: It's ok. I think you're a specialised idiot too. |
| 23:19.08 | Nyle | JordiGH: good man |
| 23:19.13 | Nyle | there we go |
| 23:19.13 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 23:19.18 | Nyle | feel the love |
| 23:19.19 | Nyle | :) |
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| 23:20.02 | Nyle | JordiGH: but yeh, etch amd64 aint doin' it for me yet |
| 23:20.08 | Nyle | lenny definitely will |
| 23:20.08 | JordiGH | xingu: Yeah, new toy. A Dellbian lappy, née Dellbuntu. |
| 23:20.20 | JordiGH | Nyle: I had to go all the way to the sid kernel to get amd64 working! |
| 23:20.21 | Nyle | when its stable/frozen/released |
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| 23:20.25 | Nyle | wow |
| 23:20.30 | xingu | JordiGH: nice one |
| 23:20.39 | xingu | JordiGH: m1330? |
| 23:21.09 | Nyle | man |
| 23:21.11 | Nyle | you and your dells |
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| 23:21.57 | jetscreamer | source seems to be still afu'd |
| 23:22.03 | jetscreamer | if anybody cares |
| 23:22.11 | jetscreamer | it does boot though |
| 23:22.20 | amphi | JordiGH: did the new kernel make it work? |
| 23:22.21 | jetscreamer | just the runaway loop about the modules.dep |
| 23:22.24 | JordiGH | xingu: No, the ones with Ubuntu preinstalled. Inspiron 1420. I wrote a lengthy review about it, if you want to see it. |
| 23:22.38 | JordiGH | amphi: Well, still no sound, but at least now all my apps agree that a sound card should be there! |
| 23:22.58 | xingu | JordiGH: yeah zap me a link; about to head out for a bit but will squizz. |
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| 23:23.01 | JordiGH | I probably have something muted. alsamixer is so confusing and Debian so quaint for muting sound by default. |
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| 23:23.18 | xingu | JordiGH: those sli 8800m m1730's have caught my eye ;) |
| 23:23.26 | amphi | JordiGH: did you try modprobing with all those model=foo options? |
| 23:23.28 | xingu | bet they weight a tonne though |
| 23:23.35 | Nyle | jetscreamer: what? |
| 23:23.58 | JordiGH | amphi: No, no, I have sound now! Well, as soon as I figure out alsamixer, I'm sure. |
| 23:24.09 | Nyle | whats to figure? |
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| 23:24.22 | Nyle | you got volumes and thier levels |
| 23:24.24 | JordiGH | xingu: It weighs about 2.5 kg. Hold on, let me dig up my revie. |
| 23:24.26 | amphi | JordiGH: I'd be interested in your review, BTW |
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| 23:24.48 | Nyle | add the bag, and accessories |
| 23:24.50 | jetscreamer | alsa-tools |
| 23:24.53 | xingu | JordiGH: /msg, off for a bit now. |
| 23:24.56 | Nyle | you're looking at carrying close to 10+ pounds |
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| 23:25.11 | Nyle | about 15lbs or so depending on the size of your machine |
| 23:25.13 | jetscreamer | debian .24 source is afu i said, nyle |
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| 23:25.20 | Nyle | ahh |
| 23:25.22 | Nyle | afu? |
| 23:25.27 | Nyle | all fucked up? |
| 23:25.28 | xingu | it was the m1730's I was thinking that'd weigh in at 4kg or so |
| 23:25.28 | jetscreamer | all fucked up? |
| 23:25.35 | Nyle | jetscreamer: yo i was right on |
| 23:25.35 | JordiGH | Dellbuntu review: http://everything2.com/?node_id=1927522 |
| 23:25.38 | Saar | I have to set sata to legacy in this delll optiplex or else debian install wont recognise the cdrom |
| 23:25.42 | Nyle | god |
| 23:25.43 | xingu | with sli 8800m's and dual hdd's fitted... |
| 23:25.45 | Nyle | fuck dell and fuck ubuntu |
| 23:25.48 | xingu | *gone* |
| 23:25.48 | Nyle | jeez |
| 23:25.54 | jetscreamer | ciao xingu |
| 23:26.08 | Saar | ubuntu on the other hand fucks up its boot after install |
| 23:26.08 | Nyle | get that shit outta my life and outta #debian (but its a wish, aint never gonna happen) |
| 23:26.10 | Saar | i hate dell |
| 23:26.14 | JordiGH | Nyle: I don't mind Ubuntu. It has its place, and it's doing good things. I just feel more comfortable with Debian. |
| 23:26.42 | Nyle | JordiGH: I'm sorry, but quality > quantity |
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| 23:27.05 | JordiGH | Nyle: Uh, you realise that Ubuntu tries to improve the quality of fewer packages than Debian? |
| 23:27.07 | Nyle | as long as we have DFSG, debian will always be superior to most others |
| 23:27.21 | Nyle | what? |
| 23:27.29 | Nyle | I don't speak english well, I don't understand you. |
| 23:27.32 | Saar | DFSG? |
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| 23:27.39 | Nyle | Saar: /msg dpkg policy |
| 23:27.49 | Saar | oh ok |
| 23:27.56 | enzo | is there a way to know if a bug in debian has been fixed ? i don't see anything in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393728 |
| 23:27.57 | Nyle | debian free software guidelines |
| 23:27.58 | Nyle | !dfsg |
| 23:27.59 | dpkg | hmm... dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 23:28.07 | JordiGH | Nyle: Ubuntu concentrates on a few core packages, about 10% of all Debian packages, polishes those, releases them, and leaves the other 90% Debian packages untouched. |
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| 23:28.22 | JordiGH | enzo: When a bug is fixed, it's closed in the BTS. |
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| 23:28.40 | jetscreamer | Nyle: he said ubuntu doesn't have to maintain such a large repo... non-multiarch |
| 23:28.52 | Nyle | JordiGH: yes I am aware of that, however overall stats matter |
| 23:28.53 | Saar | in legacy mode formatting the hds takes 10 times as long :-| |
| 23:28.56 | enzo | where can i find the BTS JordiGH ? |
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| 23:29.00 | JordiGH | enzo: that bug is still open, unfortunately. |
| 23:29.05 | enzo | arg |
| 23:29.06 | Nyle | you're looking at something with a strong foundation |
| 23:29.11 | JordiGH | enzo: The page you linked to is part of the BTS. |
| 23:29.17 | Nyle | debian is strong, ubuntu built on top |
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| 23:29.30 | Saar | after install it'll probably will boot fine with legacy turned off |
| 23:29.31 | enzo | ok JordiGH but where did you see the bug was open ? |
| 23:29.36 | Nyle | but ... how come it still sucks and manages to piss me off every time I try to use it |
| 23:29.41 | JordiGH | Nyle: And Ubuntu isn't as committed to software freedom as Debian, I'll grant you that. |
| 23:29.52 | JordiGH | I like that Debian makes me *work* if I want to get non-free software. :-) |
| 23:29.53 | Nyle | eitherway, we are more serious |
| 23:30.01 | Nyle | we don't make linux for the humanity |
| 23:30.05 | Nyle | fuck humanity |
| 23:30.20 | Nyle | linux for human beings |
| 23:30.21 | JordiGH | enzo: When they close it, the last message in the bug discussion is a template saying the bug was closed. |
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| 23:30.30 | Saar | we make linux for the fluffy people |
| 23:30.30 | Nyle | what the fuck is it gonna be for if not for humans |
| 23:30.33 | Nyle | linux for trees? |
| 23:30.41 | Nyle | come on with that nonsense slogan bullshit |
| 23:30.46 | Nyle | argh, here I go again |
| 23:30.48 | Nyle | I shush. |
| 23:30.52 | JordiGH | Linux for the ubermensch. |
| 23:30.58 | enzo | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=445148 <= this bug has been closed but i don't see such a message JordiGH |
| 23:31.11 | JordiGH | GNU/Nietzche. |
| 23:31.13 | Nyle | lol |
| 23:31.15 | Nyle | nice |
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| 23:32.10 | amphi | Nyle: linux for curmudgeons? ;) |
| 23:32.10 | Saar | Debian "fluffy" |
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| 23:32.28 | JordiGH | enzo: That bug is still open too. |
| 23:32.40 | Xenguy | amphi: I like it :-) |
| 23:33.09 | JordiGH | howlingmadhowie: gobuntu? That thing that breaks the FHS? It's not Unix if they don't obey the FHS. I don't care what the actual POSIX standard says. ;-) |
| 23:33.27 | enzo | ok |
| 23:33.32 | Xenguy | a crusty irascible cantankerous old person full of stubborn ideas |
| 23:34.18 | howlingmadhowie | JordiGH: how does gobuntu break fhs? |
| 23:34.40 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 23:34.50 | JordiGH | howlingmadhowie: Isn't that the one with /Programs /User Files, /Application Data? |
| 23:34.56 | Nyle | oh yeh |
| 23:35.04 | Nyle | someone was talking about that and I asked wht gobuntu was |
| 23:35.06 | Nyle | its retarded |
| 23:35.07 | abrotman | try #gobuntu |
| 23:35.08 | Wyzard | JordiGH: That's GoboLinux |
| 23:35.17 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Oops. |
| 23:35.20 | Nyle | and this guy wanted to know how to turn debian into gobuntu or something |
| 23:35.24 | Nyle | that shit was funny |
| 23:35.39 | Wyzard | though I've never heard of Gobuntu |
| 23:35.40 | Nyle | oh gobo |
| 23:35.46 | karsten | amphi: A true curmidgeon never admits anything is nice. |
| 23:35.47 | Nyle | it was something go |
| 23:36.06 | howlingmadhowie | JordiGH: gobuntu is shuttleworth's attempt at a free version of ubuntu. it's not quite as pure as gnusense |
| 23:36.07 | Nyle | !define curmudgeons |
| 23:36.11 | Nyle | no? |
| 23:36.49 | karsten | Nyle: FYI: Gobuntu == Unbuntu - non-free |
| 23:36.59 | Nyle | An ill-tempered (and frequently old) person full of stubborn ideas or opinions. |
| 23:37.04 | Nyle | (archaic): A miser. |
| 23:37.24 | Nyle | I'm surprised they don't have "Jew" right there too |
| 23:37.59 | Nyle | howlingmadhowie: free version of ubuntu? |
| 23:38.04 | Nyle | I thought ubuntu was free to begin with |
| 23:38.16 | howlingmadhowie | Nyle: free as in freedom, not free as in beer :) |
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| 23:38.30 | Nyle | yes, and under the GPL its freedom |
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| 23:38.36 | karsten | Nyle: OT, but there may be some non-DFSG stuff included. |
| 23:38.46 | Nyle | oh |
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| 23:39.14 | Nyle | karsten: sorry |
| 23:39.43 | Nyle | enzo: bug is open and unresolved afaict |
| 23:39.52 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:39.53 | howlingmadhowie | Nyle: what i really like about free software is that i don't have to worry that much about architecture. like i'm writing this on an sgi indy, and my .screenrc is the same as for my ultra10. it's sooo cool :) |
| 23:40.09 | Nyle | howlingmadhowie: indeed |
| 23:40.35 | enzo | how can i know if the bug 393728 will be corrected in next debian release Nyle ? |
| 23:40.39 | Nyle | oh nm I was looking at a diff one |
| 23:40.40 | Nyle | whoops |
| 23:40.52 | Nyle | !dbugs #393728 |
| 23:40.55 | dpkg | #393728:N[partman-md] dm-crypt on raid does not play nicely; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:48:52 UTC |
| 23:41.11 | Nyle | enzo: I don't know. Would you like to help resolve it? |
| 23:41.19 | abrotman | enzo: is it closed ? |
| 23:41.33 | Agrajag- | g'day, i know there's a debian package with a program that will give you info about what ram slots are in your computer, what type they are and other info. i can't remember the name and my apt-cache search foo isn't working too well. anyone happen to know? |
| 23:41.44 | enzo | somone has gave a patch there : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393728 Nyle abrotman |
| 23:42.03 | Nyle | I can't recall it either Agrajag- there was one where you can get infor about your mobo and everything else etc. |
| 23:42.10 | Nyle | crap now I can't remember what it was called |
| 23:42.12 | enzo | there was an erratum i think there : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto, i've not yet tested it |
| 23:42.16 | Nyle | I just told someone of it like 2 days ago |
| 23:42.18 | Nyle | damit |
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| 23:42.34 | Nyle | fuck |
| 23:42.41 | abrotman | enzo: okay .. you could append the bug and ask if it has been fixed in lenny |
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| 23:42.58 | enzo | lenny is next debian release after etch abrotman ? |
| 23:43.02 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:43.04 | enzo | ok |
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| 23:44.18 | Nyle | Agrajag-: try lshw in the meantime while I try to find/remember |
| 23:44.31 | Nyle | Agrajag-: also try to search package list for 'sysinfo' |
| 23:44.35 | Agrajag- | yeah i found that.. doesn't tell me what i need to know. i really just need to know free slots/type |
| 23:44.52 | Wyzard | Nyle: dmidecode maybe? |
| 23:44.57 | Nyle | thats the one! |
| 23:45.01 | Nyle | Wyzard is da man |
| 23:45.16 | enzo | done abrotman |
| 23:45.22 | abrotman | done? |
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| 23:46.17 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.22 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.26 | Nyle | MCH |
| 23:46.27 | enzo | i've replied for bug 393728, i hope the bug will be corrected in lenny |
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| 23:46.42 | Nyle | use with -t 6 |
| 23:46.44 | Nyle | I think |
| 23:46.48 | Nyle | Wyzard: verify? |
| 23:47.26 | Wyzard | Nyle: "dmidecode -t 6" gives RAM info on my system |
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| 23:47.49 | Nyle | yeh, i just confirmed it |
| 23:47.51 | Nyle | I was being lazy |
| 23:48.05 | Nyle | Wyzard: one thin though, and I don' tknow why |
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| 23:48.20 | Nyle | but windows xp program called everest tellsme the name of the ram chip and its timings and etverything else |
| 23:48.23 | Nyle | how come this doesn't? |
| 23:48.29 | Nyle | or can it? |
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| 23:49.06 | Nyle | I took a look through the type list and I couldn't a type suitable for ram cas latency timings, vendor name etc. |
| 23:49.28 | Nyle | was the xp program possibly looking in some sort of database or is it easier than linux to get all that info? |
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| 23:50.05 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 23:50.14 | Wyzard | Nyle: Well, we know RAM can report its timings to the motherboard, because that's what the motherboard uses by default |
| 23:50.27 | Wyzard | Nyle: I wouldn't be surprised if it's possible for software to get that info somehow, but I don't know how |
| 23:50.37 | Nyle | Wyzard: what about the 5 |
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| 23:50.47 | Nyle | im going to try all memory related types using dmidecode |
| 23:50.51 | Nyle | lets see what happens |
| 23:51.07 | Wyzard | Nyle: Type 5 is the memory controller on the motherboard |
| 23:51.18 | Nyle | I think that ought to report that no? |
| 23:51.36 | Wyzard | no, it just tells you about the controller itself |
| 23:51.41 | Nyle | ah |
| 23:51.49 | Nyle | yes, you're right, that all it does |
| 23:51.51 | Wyzard | how much total RAM it supports, supported voltages, etc. |
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| 23:52.30 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.37 | Nyle | wow, I just found this out, I did not know this |
| 23:52.54 | Nyle | and even without knowing I almost went and ordered 2gb sticks |
| 23:53.09 | Nyle | I have a really crappy mobo, wow |
| 23:53.12 | Wyzard | Nyle: You can find that info in the motherboard manual too |
| 23:53.34 | Nyle | Wyzard: that I know, I never read it |
| 23:53.48 | Nyle | Wyzard: I know my timings too, I set them manually for an OC |
| 23:53.59 | Nyle | just curious as to hwo you can get that info though |
| 23:54.38 | Nyle | 16,17,18,19,20 |
| 23:54.56 | Nyle | 33 isn't applicable, and 37 |
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| 23:56.53 | Nyle | and all of them useless regarding latency/timings |
| 23:57.03 | Deformative | How does one turn off system beep? |
| 23:57.11 | Deformative | My system beep is like, extremely loud.. ._. |
| 23:57.16 | Nyle | I hate pc speaker |
| 23:57.19 | Nyle | I neve connect the wire |
| 23:57.21 | Nyle | EVER |
| 23:57.33 | Wyzard | Nyle: FWIW, memtest tells you the speed of your RAM |
| 23:57.34 | Deformative | This is an imac g3. |
| 23:57.39 | amphi | Deformative: do you have a skr or beep channel in alsamixer? |
| 23:57.41 | Deformative | I do not even know how to get in there. |
| 23:57.42 | Deformative | Ah. |
| 23:57.43 | Nyle | Wyzard: so does -t 17 |
| 23:57.46 | Deformative | Right, I forgot about that. |
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| 23:57.48 | Deformative | Thanks amphi. |
| 23:57.53 | Nyle | Wyzard: I'm taling about RAM's CAS latency timings |
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| 23:59.25 | Nyle | !fwiw |
| 23:59.25 | dpkg | [fwiw] for {what,whatever} it's worth |
| 23:59.29 | Nyle | ahh |
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| 23:59.39 | eldowan | is there a way to use gimp at the command line to, say convert an image to a different format? I've looked at imagemagick, but when it converts jpg to png the resulting pngs are VERY large. however gimp gives nice compact images. |
| 23:59.42 | Wyzard | Nyle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Presence_Detect |
| 23:59.48 | Nyle | eldowan: imagemagick |
| 23:59.51 | Wyzard | Nyle: "On Linux systems, the user space program decode-dimms.pl provided with lm_sensors [1] decodes and prints information on any memory with SPD information in the computer." |
