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| 00:01.00 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Point. |
| 00:01.15 | karsten | yassin1: I'd tar it over to the new location. |
| 00:01.59 | karsten | yassin1: tar handles device files and symlinks sanely. As dondelelcaro points out, cp needs some tweaking (if it works at all). |
| 00:02.27 | dondelelcaro | you'd obviously be using cp -a, so in that case it works correctly too |
| 00:02.33 | dondelelcaro | I was actually talking about cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb |
| 00:02.44 | yassin1 | karsten: do you thing i will be able to boot from the new drive? |
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| 00:02.47 | dondelelcaro | (which also works correctly if you wanted to image hda onto hdb) |
| 00:03.02 | beardy | !tell firesburnsmup -about root |
| 00:03.36 | karsten | yassin1: You'll need to install grub on it. |
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| 00:04.05 | beardy | Bother said beardy. |
| 00:04.18 | xsdg | Is the max number of arguments on the cmdline a shell limit or a kernel limit? |
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| 00:04.47 | dondelelcaro | xsdg: shell and libc6, iirc. |
| 00:04.49 | xsdg | (I'm dealing with a directory with O(100,000) files in it, and it'd be nice to be able to use shell globs rather than having to use xargs for everything |
| 00:05.03 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: hmm... so it wouldn't be that easy to circumvent? shucks |
| 00:05.15 | dondelelcaro | xsdg: yeah, best to just use find+xargs for everything |
| 00:05.16 | karsten | yassin1: Boot your current VM, with the new target drive active as well. Mount that as, say, /mnt/target. 'tar czvf - /bin /boot /etc /home /lib /opt /root /sbin /tmp /usr /var | ( cd /mnt/target; tar xf - )' |
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| 00:05.39 | karsten | xsdg: Use xargs. |
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| 00:05.59 | karsten | xsdg: You can set a number of arguments to pass at once, may not entirely work as desired. |
| 00:06.13 | dondelelcaro | (or if you need to do crazy things, just find + exec or find + perl) |
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| 00:07.10 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ?? |
| 00:07.23 | xsdg | karsten: I was aware; it's just not always trivial to replace shell globs |
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| 00:07.51 | yassin1 | karsten: how about this : dd conv=noerror if=/dev/hda | dd of=/dev/hdb ? |
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| 00:08.07 | dondelelcaro | yassin1: uh... then you'd just go dd conv=noerror if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb |
| 00:08.39 | karsten | yassin1: You can do that. dd needs to copy all the slack space on the device as well. Upside is it doesn't have to stat() each file. |
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| 00:08.50 | karsten | yassin1: Depending on the balance of slack space and files, you may win or lose. |
| 00:08.51 | dondelelcaro | (and possibly you'd want something like bs=1M or similar) |
| 00:09.07 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: s#possibly ##, I'd think |
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| 00:09.20 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Any advantage you've seen to setting bs large (eg: 128M) that you've noticed? |
| 00:10.45 | xsdg | karsten: it seems like you'd hit diminishing returns pretty quickly |
| 00:10.53 | xsdg | (though that's speaking from no experience) |
| 00:11.07 | magyar | hi, how can i make the device /dev/cdrom ? |
| 00:11.44 | karsten | magyar: Generally it's a symlink to the real drive. eg: ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom |
| 00:11.50 | karsten | xsdg: Point. |
| 00:11.57 | karsten | xsdg: It would be fun to benchmark though. |
| 00:12.00 | xsdg | yeah |
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| 00:12.10 | karsten | Hrm. |
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| 00:13.12 | xsdg | karsten: I mean, if dd doesn't block on writes (and shouldn't if buffering is on), then it should pipeline pretty well as long as the CPU doesn't suck and you've got enough memory |
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| 00:13.27 | xsdg | karsten: but yeah, benchmarks are fun :o) |
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| 00:13.50 | karsten | Yeah, I'm thinking more of minimizing head movements and doing long reads/writes. I guess it depends a lot on how the disk driver's written. |
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| 00:19.15 | magyar | karsten: thanks |
| 00:20.13 | magyar | hi, i am having an issue with kvm and qemu on Lenny. I have no connection to the internet in the guest os (XP) |
| 00:21.40 | abrotman | fix it |
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| 00:22.11 | magyar | abrotman: any suggestions? |
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| 00:23.08 | abrotman | magyar: in qemu .. it normally just works |
| 00:23.30 | screamingbytes | ugh, i screwed something up :) |
| 00:23.47 | screamingbytes | when i type set i get a bunch of shell code spit at my screen |
| 00:24.05 | abrotman | you mean variables ? |
| 00:24.14 | magyar | abrotman: it used to work, but now it stopped, I get the default IP and so for, but no DNS from the host |
| 00:24.24 | karsten | screamingbytes: 'reset' |
| 00:24.30 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: you a developer? |
| 00:24.38 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: what kind? |
| 00:24.45 | karsten | screamingbytes: In your terminal, or all over your display? |
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| 00:25.15 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: in professional life. |
| 00:25.32 | abrotman | i write some code .. but that's not my job title |
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| 00:26.01 | Led_Zeppelin | k |
| 00:26.04 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: does that answer your question ? |
| 00:26.14 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: why? |
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| 00:27.19 | emiliano | Hi everybody |
| 00:27.24 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: not really. I had some programming questions. General database and application migration questions. I will research a bit more. |
| 00:27.39 | Led_Zeppelin | theoritcal stuff...thats all |
| 00:27.42 | abrotman | you can still ask .. though it's not really #debian material |
| 00:27.44 | abrotman | !ot |
| 00:27.44 | dpkg | somebody said ot was Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 00:27.48 | Led_Zeppelin | how "they" do it professionally. |
| 00:28.13 | Led_Zeppelin | eyye. sorry |
| 00:28.15 | Led_Zeppelin | brb then |
| 00:28.16 | Led_Zeppelin | :-) |
| 00:28.17 | Led_Zeppelin | bio break |
| 00:28.21 | \amethyst | so, I hear Debian is not Ubuntu, and that 4.0r2 was released |
| 00:28.30 | nuclear_eclipse | yes and yes |
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| 00:28.38 | abrotman | heh |
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| 00:30.37 | screamingbytes | karsten: nah its not all garbeled |
| 00:31.15 | screamingbytes | karsten: its actual code, i dumped it to a file im reading it, the variables are at the top, then for some reason a load of code below it |
| 00:32.09 | screamingbytes | theres functions in there like _dd, _cpio_format, _debconf-show, _dhclient |
| 00:32.46 | abrotman | you could just logout |
| 00:33.12 | screamingbytes | 4175 lines of code lol |
| 00:33.45 | karsten | screamingbytes: Um, did you xpaste by any chance? |
| 00:33.52 | screamingbytes | nope |
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| 00:34.06 | karsten | screamingbytes: Weird. |
| 00:34.34 | screamingbytes | karsten: its not part of a variables output, like last command or something, its at the end of all the variables |
| 00:34.54 | karsten | screamingbytes: And this shows up when? Can you post a screenshot? |
| 00:35.19 | screamingbytes | when i type set |
| 00:35.26 | screamingbytes | to see my var's |
| 00:35.54 | karsten | screamingbytes: pipe that through 'less'. You may have managed to get the code into a shell variable somehow. |
| 00:35.58 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: because set shows you shell functions, too |
| 00:36.09 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: probably you're using bash_completion given the names of those functions |
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| 00:37.28 | karsten | screamingbytes: What \amethyst said as well. 'typeset -f' will show just functions. |
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| 00:38.15 | screamingbytes | piped through less it does the same, just paginates it |
| 00:38.21 | SyntaXe | Hello folks, how do I change the language of my system? |
| 00:38.43 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:38.45 | karsten | screamingbytes: OK, then you're seeing what you should see in the output of set. 'help set; help declare' for more info. |
| 00:39.26 | SyntaXe | abrotman: ? |
| 00:39.37 | karsten | screamingbytes: 'man bash' and search for '^FUNCTIONS' |
| 00:40.09 | screamingbytes | typeset -f shows the identical code |
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| 00:40.27 | screamingbytes | 4108 lines in both, first 10 and last 10 are the same |
| 00:40.46 | karsten | screamingbytes: The behavior is as designed. RTFM bash(1) |
| 00:40.47 | screamingbytes | im not going through all of it, i assume diff would show its the same |
| 00:41.13 | SyntaXe | Hello folks, how do I change the language of my system? |
| 00:41.32 | Nihilist_Nerd | hello - I'm trying to run multiple X sessions and switch between them with Ctrl-Alt-F?, but I don't know how to specify the session type. Can somebody please help me? |
| 00:42.08 | karsten | SyntaXe: man update-locale |
| 00:42.10 | Nihilist_Nerd | Maybe in your GDM? Hold on... |
| 00:42.18 | Nihilist_Nerd | ah there you go |
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| 00:43.54 | protoloco | Hey somebody could help me with this i have never seen this in my CACTI graphs... http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cactiiiieth0kx7.jpg |
| 00:45.11 | karsten | protoloco: ... and your question is? |
| 00:45.17 | rocketmagnet | hi, i've installed from a custom etch backport netinstall, and now need the kernel headers from sid to compile the nvidia driver => how can i just install the kernel headers from sid without updating my hole system when doing "apt-get update" ? |
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| 00:46.02 | rocketmagnet | so i can add a line into sources.list for sid, but i just want the kernel headers, nothing else in the system should change |
| 00:46.13 | ward_ | do i have to download 3 DVD's to get debian isntalled? :-s |
| 00:46.21 | rocketmagnet | only 1 is enouth |
| 00:46.25 | ward_ | is there a 1 CD version somewhere? so i can install progs from the net as needed? |
| 00:46.27 | karsten | ward_: No. |
| 00:46.33 | rocketmagnet | or use netinstall, would be the fastest |
| 00:46.33 | karsten | !tell ward_ about netinst |
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| 00:46.39 | karsten | !tell ward_ about i-g |
| 00:46.46 | Nihilist_Nerd | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-non-debian-kernel |
| 00:46.49 | Nihilist_Nerd | Does this help? |
| 00:46.52 | karsten | ward_: Please read the installation guide before asking more questions. |
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| 00:47.07 | lubos | how can I make live cd from my debian instalation? |
| 00:47.08 | protoloco | karsten, sorry that wasnt the image.. http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=niceweirdcactiff6.png <-- This onee.. |
| 00:47.41 | karsten | protoloco: And your question is? |
| 00:47.54 | rocketmagnet | Nihilist_Nerd: i don't do it manualy, the kernel is a precompiled one, just the nvidia driver needs the kernel headers of sid (but i'm using etch backport) |
| 00:47.55 | protoloco | why nice is soo high.. |
| 00:48.00 | protoloco | i never seen the green graphs... |
| 00:48.03 | protoloco | green means nice.. |
| 00:48.08 | protoloco | 100% nice sometimes.. |
| 00:48.21 | karsten | protoloco: Obviously: some niced process is consuming CPU. Do SETI-at-Home or something similar? |
| 00:48.22 | ward_ | Nihilist_Nerd, i dont see anything about installing there but i'll check the guide |
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| 00:48.34 | Nihilist_Nerd | Sorry, I don't really know what I'm on abu - I just remember coming across that doc so I thought I'd point it our. |
| 00:48.37 | karsten | protoloco: ... or a niced screensaver. You knocked off about 8 pm last night. |
| 00:48.54 | Nihilist_Nerd | *about |
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| 00:49.29 | Nihilist_Nerd | I'm trying to run multiple X sessions and switch between them with Ctrl-Alt-F?, but I don't know how to specify the session type. Can somebody please help me? |
| 00:50.19 | protoloco | karsten, yes i know, but i dont know why it changed so drastically... |
| 00:50.21 | screamingbytes | thanks karsten |
| 00:50.23 | karsten | Nihilist_Nerd: Specify session type where? |
| 00:50.24 | protoloco | is a server karsten |
| 00:50.29 | protoloco | no screensaver.. |
| 00:50.44 | karsten | protoloco: Niced jobs won't take CPU unless there's nothing else running. So: what are you running niced? |
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| 00:50.53 | strp | Hello, using postfix + spamassassin with conter type, what is the way to do that spamassassin read user_prefs from virtual users? it is possible? |
| 00:50.58 | karsten | protoloco: Possibly you've got some runaway process. |
| 00:51.02 | ward_ | what software can you recommend to burn images and format CDRW's? |
| 00:51.04 | screamingbytes | and \amethyst, i commented it out in my .bashrc it's gone. Some prog must have added that recently, i didn't add it |
| 00:51.16 | karsten | ward_: wodim, k3b |
| 00:51.21 | karsten | !tell ward_ about search |
| 00:51.29 | ward_ | karsten, thanx |
| 00:51.46 | karsten | ward_: If you don't have Debian installed yet, hit packages.debian.org' |
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| 00:52.00 | Nihilist_Nerd | karsten: I was thinking of the command line; I want to be able to switch sessions a lot. |
| 00:52.25 | karsten | Nihilist_Nerd: 'sudo chvt <number>' |
| 00:52.35 | rocketmagnet | can i install the sid kernel headers manualy so i just download the kernel sources rpm and use this to install it with apt-get ? |
| 00:52.37 | Nihilist_Nerd | Though if I can get to GDM from command line an log into a new session from there, I'll be happy. |
| 00:52.39 | karsten | Nihilist_Nerd: VTs 7 & 8 are typically your first two displays. |
| 00:52.39 | Nihilist_Nerd | Thanks. |
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| 00:53.53 | ward_ | karsten, running ubuntu atm, but i need to format and i would like to try debian (i run it on my pda and i liked it) |
| 00:53.56 | Nihilist_Nerd | Sorry, I didn't explain myself wekk. |
| 00:54.36 | Nihilist_Nerd | I can change virtual terminals; what I can't do is start sessions from those terminals of the type I want. What I'm looking for is a means to start an X session in, say, KDE or XFCE. |
| 00:54.45 | karsten | ward_: OK. |
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| 00:56.18 | karsten | Nihilist_Nerd: You'll have to check your Xwrapper settings (sudo update-xwrapper), generally from console, start sessions via startx: startx $( gnome-session ) -- :1; startx $( kde-session ) -- :2 |
| 00:56.45 | Nihilist_Nerd | Thanks very much. |
| 00:56.48 | karsten | Nihilist_Nerd: You can start a kde session w/ its own command, but startx is the usual. You can also play w/ your X display manager to automatically manage multiple displays on localhost. |
| 00:56.55 | karsten | erm. |
| 00:57.03 | karsten | You don't need the '$(' ')' there. |
| 00:57.25 | Nihilist_Nerd | Cheers. |
| 00:57.27 | karsten | I often throw in a '$( which <commandname> )' to get aroudn some path oddities. |
| 00:58.03 | Nihilist_Nerd | Oh thanks. |
| 00:58.14 | Nihilist_Nerd | Shall I ommitt that, then? |
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| 00:59.18 | Nihilist_Nerd | Yeah I think I may have had some path oddities now. |
| 00:59.24 | Nihilist_Nerd | FreeFontPath, or something. |
| 00:59.43 | shamrock | today I had a big problem with login and had to recreate my main user account. I copied most of what I needed to the new folder. I can now login and everything is good. Except for one thing - vmware doesn't start. Does anyone know why this could be? I did copy ~/.vmware over. What have I missed? |
| 00:59.59 | karsten | That's a different issue. I had startx not knowing where some of my windowmanagers were. |
| 01:00.25 | wols | !tell shamrock about vmware |
| 01:00.31 | wols | !tell shamrock about errors |
| 01:00.32 | karsten | shamrock: vmware's not a Debian-supported app. Try VMWare. |
| 01:00.49 | shamrock | karsten: yes, but its specifically under debian hence I am asking. |
| 01:01.09 | wols | you don't ask in any meaningful way |
| 01:01.12 | karsten | shamrock: /msg dpkg errors. /msg dpkg smart questions. |
| 01:01.53 | shamrock | ok guys - have it your way. There is nothing wrong with asking debian gurus about a problem with vmware here. I have no idea. And the vmware group is nigh on dead. But thanks anyway. |
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| 01:02.03 | karsten | shamrock: You're not providing us anything particularly useful and you're asking about non-Debian software. And you've had some mysterious system issue affecting your user account / $HOME which you're not sharing much about either. Doesn't give us a lot to go on. |
| 01:02.07 | karsten | Feh. |
| 01:02.08 | Agiofws | hi |
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| 01:02.59 | ward_ | try to answer people like you would like to be answered by others |
| 01:03.03 | karsten | Oblig: Dead Soldier |
| 01:03.20 | karsten | ward_: Yeah, we try. |
| 01:03.36 | Nihilist_Nerd | !tell me about startx |
| 01:03.39 | raz | hm.. is there a debian package that makes less intelligently handle compressed files (gzip, bzip) like on gentoo? on gentoo i can just type "less foo.bz2", on debian i have to use bzless... |
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| 01:04.12 | \amethyst | raz: put eval `lesspipe` in your .bashrc |
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| 01:04.52 | raz | \amethyst, oh. *that* easy huh. thank you ;) |
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| 01:05.51 | \amethyst | raz: it's part of the less package; it's just not enabled in the default bashrc |
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| 01:08.30 | raz | \amethyst, hmm.. doesnt seem to work for me (etch). i created the LESSOPEN, LESSCLOSE vars.. but less foo.gz still shows garbage |
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| 01:08.30 | raz | s/i/it/ |
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| 01:08.32 | \amethyst | raz: you created then with `eval lesspipe` ? |
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| 01:09.10 | Nihilist_Nerd | Erm wow? |
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| 01:09.27 | Nihilist_Nerd | Why did so many people leave? |
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| 01:09.37 | raz | \amethyst, argh.. sorry. my own incompetence. i actually tried on a binary file ;) sorry |
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| 01:10.00 | synspel-serv1 | Hey folks. |
| 01:10.12 | synspel-serv1 | I need help chaninging language on my system |
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| 01:10.27 | sco50000 | Nihilist_Nerd: it was a netsplit |
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| 01:11.17 | synspel-serv1 | I need help chaninging language on my system |
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| 01:11.47 | mbroeker | lenny users: is /usr/bin/dpkg per default root:root 750 ? |
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| 01:12.32 | Nihilist_Nerd | Erm wow? Is it just me or has Wikipedia changed? |
| 01:12.37 | Nihilist_Nerd | In layout? |
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| 01:13.02 | magyar | is kvm not in lenny anymore? |
| 01:13.29 | Nihilist_Nerd | It's just my theme, I think. |
| 01:13.37 | sco50000 | Nihilist_Nerd: no change here... |
| 01:14.09 | Nihilist_Nerd | What's with the name? |
| 01:14.19 | \amethyst | magyar: was it in lenny before? |
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| 01:14.35 | sco50000 | Nihilist_Nerd: what do you mean? |
| 01:14.35 | Nihilist_Nerd | And cheers. |
| 01:14.52 | Nihilist_Nerd | Well, sco50000? Sounds a bit... SCOish? |
| 01:15.09 | Nihilist_Nerd | I'm probably being paranoid,. |
| 01:15.23 | sco50000 | yeah, i know. i've had this nickname for years before I ever heard of Linux or SCO |
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| 01:15.31 | Nihilist_Nerd | Ah okay. |
| 01:15.34 | sco50000 | my name is scott, you see |
| 01:15.41 | siriusnova | Guys i have a question to ask regarding /var/www and /srv for httpd files |
| 01:15.42 | Nihilist_Nerd | I just thought you might be one of... one of them. |
| 01:15.43 | Nihilist_Nerd | lol |
| 01:15.47 | sco50000 | :P |
| 01:16.00 | siriusnova | why do we use /var/www instead of /srv when /srv is stated as to be used as for serving files in the Filesystem Standards? |
| 01:16.01 | sco50000 | didn't they go bankrupt anyway? |
| 01:16.13 | Nihilist_Nerd | Not as far as I'm aware. |
| 01:16.29 | Nihilist_Nerd | Though I seem to remember reading that the price of their shares fell. |
| 01:16.35 | siriusnova | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:17.07 | Nihilist_Nerd | Sorry - wrong button, I left. |
| 01:17.19 | \amethyst | siriusnova: the main reason Debian doesn't set up its packages to use /srv is that it's explicitly site-specific |
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| 01:17.34 | siriusnova | \amethyst, i dont understand |
| 01:17.49 | \amethyst | siriusnova: from the FHS: "no program should rely on a specific subdirectory structure of /srv existing ..." |
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| 01:17.56 | abrotman | /srv/ isn't for httpd i don't think |
| 01:17.57 | siriusnova | hrm k |
| 01:18.02 | siriusnova | so what is /srv for? |
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| 01:18.15 | \amethyst | siriusnova: it's for the system administrator to set up |
| 01:18.16 | kgoetz | whatever services you want |
| 01:18.24 | sco50000 | Nihilist_Nerd: in september they filed for bankruptcy protection, i must have read it wrong awhiel ago |
| 01:18.34 | siriusnova | o i see |
| 01:18.42 | siriusnova | so its basically an open dir to use as i choose |
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| 01:19.11 | \amethyst | siriusnova: indeed |
| 01:19.38 | siriusnova | it just feels weird to have your pages in /var along with tmp and logfiles |
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| 01:19.46 | siriusnova | :S |
| 01:19.58 | abrotman | siriusnova: you can move them whereever you want |
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| 01:20.17 | siriusnova | i guess s |
| 01:20.18 | siriusnova | *so |
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| 01:20.58 | sco50000 | siriusnova: i put my html files in ~/www |
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| 01:21.21 | siriusnova | sco5000 - but doesn't that point to like say domain/~username ? |
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| 01:21.34 | siriusnova | :X |
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| 01:21.38 | \amethyst | siriusnova: depends on how you set it up |
| 01:21.46 | siriusnova | or am i thinking too deply on this hehehe |
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| 01:21.58 | sco50000 | siriusnova: i set it up so ~/www is my DocumentRoot |
| 01:22.02 | siriusnova | oh ok |
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| 01:23.29 | Nihilist_Nerd | Okay, now I'm really confused. I want to start an X session and specify the session type, but I only know how to specify that it is to be gnome. I want to be able to specify KDE orXFCE. How do I dot hat? |
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| 01:23.50 | karsten | Nihilist_Nerd: 'startx' takes a set of options. |
| 01:23.50 | Nihilist_Nerd | Oh, and I'd like to be able to do this from the command line. |
| 01:24.16 | karsten | Nihilist_Nerd: The first set (before the '--') are client commands and options, the second are server. 'startx <client to start> -- :<displaynumber to run on> |
| 01:24.27 | karsten | Nihilist_Nerd: See above. I think that's your answer. |
| 01:24.49 | Nihilist_Nerd | Well I know what you're saying, but I need the actual xclient-options |
| 01:24.51 | karsten | Nihilist_Nerd: 'startx twm -- :3' should start a twm session on your 3rd X display. |
| 01:24.55 | Nihilist_Nerd | thanks |
| 01:25.15 | Nihilist_Nerd | so... startx kde -- :3 will start KDE in vt3? |
| 01:25.22 | karsten | Nihilist_Nerd: I don't remember the exact commands for starting GNOME and KDE sessions, but think the latter is 'startkde' |
| 01:25.35 | Nihilist_Nerd | ah okay, so the command that starts that environment? |
| 01:25.54 | karsten | Nihilist_Nerd: 'gnome-session' and 'startkde' respectively (GNOME/KDE). |
| 01:26.32 | Nihilist_Nerd | Hmm |
| 01:26.34 | Nihilist_Nerd | Thanks. |
| 01:26.39 | Nihilist_Nerd | I got an error and it failed. |
| 01:26.39 | Nihilist_Nerd | er |
| 01:26.49 | karsten | Well, then, sort out the error. |
| 01:27.03 | Nihilist_Nerd | ooh |
| 01:27.06 | karsten | I like to start simple. twm is a very basic, light, windowmanager. See if that will run and if not... |
| 01:27.09 | Nihilist_Nerd | it works in a gnome terminal! |
| 01:27.13 | karsten | Also: you need to spdecify a display. |
| 01:27.27 | karsten | eg: 'startx startkde -- :2' |
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| 01:27.40 | karsten | And there has to *not* be an X session running on display :2 already. |
| 01:27.50 | Nihilist_Nerd | yeah |
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| 01:28.05 | Nihilist_Nerd | Hmm, it works in a gnome terminal but then I have KDE running inside Gnome |
| 01:28.07 | ryanss | what package do i install for qt3? im trying to use xconfig for the first time :P |
| 01:28.40 | Nihilist_Nerd | How can I get the error message? |
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| 01:29.07 | karsten | !tell ryanss about search |
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| 01:29.35 | ryanss | yeah, i used apt-cache search and it spat a load of em at me... confused as to which one to pick |
| 01:29.35 | karsten | Nihilist_Nerd: ~/.xsession-error or /var/log/Xorg*.log |
| 01:29.39 | ryanss | but dpkg knew |
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| 01:29.52 | ryanss | libqt3-mt-dev |
| 01:29.55 | karsten | ryanss: Building something or trying to resolve deps manually? |
| 01:29.55 | ryanss | thanks though |
| 01:30.07 | karsten | ryanss: auto-apt can sort that for you if you let it. |
| 01:30.17 | zu22 | is there a way to have google tell you all the URLs that contain a keyword? like i want to find all URLs google knows about that are of the type *.foo.org ? |
| 01:30.47 | kgoetz | zu22: site:foo.org |
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| 01:31.36 | zu22 | karsten: P |
| 01:31.53 | kgoetz | karsten: or ##google ;) |
| 01:32.21 | karsten | kgoetz: ##yeah-yeah |
| 01:32.21 | magyar | \amethyst: hmm I belive it was, I had it installed. Now I purged it and woom nomore |
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| 01:32.52 | magyar | \amethyst: is it in sid? |
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| 01:33.39 | karsten | zu22: ##yoda-must-die-die-die |
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| 01:35.36 | zu22 | karsten: #resist-the-dark-side-or-consume-you-it-will-mmhmm |
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| 01:37.51 | siriusnova | Do you guys mind if i ask a compiling question? |
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| 01:38.36 | siriusnova | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.36 | siriusnova | /usr/bin/install: cannot change ownership of `/home/siriusnova/temp/sbin/thttpd': Operation not permitted |
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| 01:39.01 | siriusnova | any ideas? |
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| 01:39.34 | nuclear_eclipse | siriusnova: is that being run as root? |
| 01:39.42 | siriusnova | no |
| 01:39.57 | siriusnova | i tried it as root as well |
| 01:40.01 | nuclear_eclipse | normal users usually dont have the permission to change owenship, even of their own files |
| 01:41.14 | siriusnova | oh wait i guess sudo wont be seen as root, my bad im an idiot :S |
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| 01:42.16 | siriusnova | i apologize for the stupid questions |
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| 01:50.12 | erpo | Does the Linux md driver do anything to deal with the RAID5 write hole, or is it still a problem? |
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| 01:51.21 | erpo | Does the Linux md driver do anything to deal with the RAID5 write hole, or is it still a problem? |
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| 01:52.10 | Roy_M | Hi, does anyone know if there is a log of the debian bootup process somewhere? |
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| 01:53.36 | penp | Roy_M: try /var/log/messages |
| 01:53.44 | penp | Roy_M: or dmesg |
| 01:54.01 | Roy_M | siriusnova, some parts of a sript i have written to run at boot time are not working properly |
| 01:54.14 | siriusnova | yeah then its probably messages |
| 01:54.20 | Roy_M | thanks penp and siriusnova |
| 01:54.22 | siriusnova | dmesg is booting / hardware afaik |
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| 01:54.42 | penp | of course, keep in mind that any messages that are stored can't be written until the partitions are mounted |
| 01:54.50 | penp | so if you're having issues before that |
| 01:54.55 | penp | it might not be logged |
| 01:55.12 | penp | though if you can get into the os im assuming it saves the buffer |
| 01:55.20 | Roy_M | penp, sure the script is running S99 so it should be fine, right? |
| 01:55.27 | penp | Roy_M: ya prolly |
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| 01:55.44 | penp | Roy_M: try "cat /var/log/messages |
| 01:55.47 | penp | er |
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| 01:55.55 | penp | Roy_M: try "cat /var/log/messages | grep (scriptname)" |
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| 01:57.19 | Roy_M | hmmm it doesnt seem to be there. I'll keep digging, thanks for the help |
| 01:58.25 | erpo | Roy_M: You could add debugging statements to your script. |
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| 02:01.40 | Roy_M | erpo, yeah thats not a bad idea. I have an idea what the problem might be. My script sets up my wireless interfaces and generates an 10.x.x.x IP address for the interface based on the IP address. |
| 02:01.56 | hollywoodb | I'm pretty familiar with creating slackware & rh/fedora packages, but is there a good guide for deb packages, or does it have something similar to a src.rpm? I'm planning on installing 64studio but I'll need to get madwifi on the box somehow, and afaict it hasn't been packaged for the rt kernel in 64studio so I'll need to build it |
| 02:02.07 | zu22 | karsten: :-) |
| 02:02.18 | Roy_M | becuase I am using semi proprietary madwifi drivers I think the kernel module is not being loaded until after m script runs |
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| 02:02.49 | Roy_M | so it is trying to setup a wireless interface but the drivers have not loaded yet |
| 02:02.59 | abrotman | !mg |
| 02:02.59 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
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| 02:03.01 | abrotman | hollywoodb: ^^ |
| 02:03.03 | erpo | Roy_M: Try adding an lsmod > /tmp/lsmod.txt to the beginning of your script. That will tell you which modules are loaded. |
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| 02:03.25 | Roy_M | erpo, will do. Good suggestion. Cheers |
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| 02:07.23 | Roy_M | erpo, I can see the modules in that lsmod so I guess that makes my guess wrong |
| 02:08.10 | erpo | Roy_M: Ok. So delete that statement. What else could be going wrong? |
| 02:08.59 | erpo | Roy_M: Wait. Back up. Describe exactly what you're trying to accomplish. |
| 02:09.02 | abrotman | Roy_M: you can use the pre-up bit of the networking stuff |
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| 02:09.43 | Roy_M | erpo and abrotman, yep i can use the pre-up stuff but that wont configure an Ip address based on the Mac address |
| 02:09.53 | abrotman | why would you? |
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| 02:10.52 | Roy_M | to give the IP address uniqueness in a 10.x.x.x network |
| 02:11.09 | abrotman | isn't that the DHCP server's job ? |
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| 02:11.43 | Roy_M | abrotman, there wont be any dhcp server where these things will be used. I |
| 02:11.45 | abrotman | Roy_M: you're trying to give your wifi a certain IP address, but ti fails because some script hasn't started ? |
| 02:12.20 | Roy_M | abrotman, the script starts but certain commands look like the dont go in |
| 02:12.36 | abrotman | and why don't they "go in" ? |
| 02:13.04 | erpo | Roy_M: You might be using the wrong/hard tool for the job. You should explain exactly what you're trying to accomplish. Why are you doing what you're doing? |
| 02:13.06 | Roy_M | abrotman, really not sure |
| 02:13.22 | abrotman | Roy_M: so why can't you just use the interfaces file and give it an IP ? |
| 02:13.53 | Roy_M | I am creating a self forming ad hoc wireless network with multiple nodes |
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| 02:14.20 | Roy_M | abrotman, I think I might resort back to using /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:14.22 | erpo | Roy_M: You just described the use case for avahi. |
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| 02:14.57 | Roy_M | erpo, having a read |
| 02:15.00 | erpo | Roy_M: "Allocate addresses without a DHCP server." |
| 02:15.27 | Roy_M | yep |
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| 02:15.37 | ward_ | what is the best way to install debian if i now have multiboot with grub? i have winxp and ubuntu, and i want to replace ubuntu with debian |
| 02:15.48 | Roy_M | erpo, and without using IPv6 |
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| 02:16.01 | erpo | Roy_M: zeroconf works with both. |
| 02:16.17 | wols | ward_: simply install debian to the place ubuntu currently is |
| 02:16.19 | rocketmagnet | hi, how can i install a .deb package ? |
| 02:16.33 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:16.35 | ward_ | wols, that was what i was hoping for :-) |
| 02:16.39 | ward_ | thanx |
| 02:16.58 | wols | ward_: best reformat the ubuntu filesystem tho |
| 02:16.58 | Roy_M | rocketmagnet, dpgk -i packagename |
| 02:17.05 | ward_ | wols, yes offcourse :-) |
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| 02:17.24 | Daemonik | I'm using Debian testing attempting to put silcd in a chroot by hand. Both /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow exist inside the fake root with user nobody in them but silcd claims Error: No such user nobody found. What would likely be the problem? |
| 02:17.24 | erpo | Roy_M: You might want the zcip package. apt-cache show zcip |
| 02:17.31 | Roy_M | erpo, I might take a bit of a look into avahi, thanks |
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| 02:22.44 | y | gr weird debian apache2 setup. How to define a default vhost in debian that isn't alphabetically based?? |
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| 02:26.43 | b94 | ??ifconfig |
| 02:26.53 | y | ... to me? |
| 02:27.07 | abrotman | y: you have to remove all the other name based virtual hosts |
| 02:27.30 | y | abrotman -- grrrrr |
| 02:27.42 | abrotman | ARRGHH MATEY! |
| 02:27.47 | y | =) |
| 02:27.56 | rocketmagnet | how can i upgrade to latest sid ? |
| 02:27.58 | abrotman | y: at least .. IIRC that's what you have to do |
| 02:28.04 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: if you have to ask .. you shouldn't |
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| 02:28.10 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 02:28.10 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 02:28.10 | y | haha |
| 02:28.27 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: because i have a etch backport and need sid headers |
| 02:28.38 | rocketmagnet | and have no idea how to solve the dependencies =( |
| 02:28.43 | abrotman | show us |
| 02:28.45 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:28.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 02:29.12 | rocketmagnet | i'm in the textmode at the moment, i can't paste something |
| 02:29.27 | y | abrotman -- Naw, that's ok. I'll just let my default host be this satanic website. my clients will continue to love it. |
| 02:29.34 | rocketmagnet | my current kernel is 2.6.23-1-amd64 |
| 02:29.41 | abrotman | y: hehe |
| 02:29.44 | rocketmagnet | with etch (backport) |
| 02:29.46 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 02:29.46 | dpkg | [pastewithoutx] you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 02:30.05 | y | abrotman -- why oh why can't it respect special characters! why oh why does this satan website have to begin with an 'a'! |
| 02:30.14 | rocketmagnet | and i need to compile some things for the nvidia driver |
| 02:30.26 | abrotman | y: norwegian pron ? |
| 02:30.28 | rocketmagnet | so i need the linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 02:30.30 | ryanss | how do i see which filesystem my system is using? |
| 02:30.57 | rocketmagnet | fdisk |
| 02:31.09 | amphi | ryanss: file -s /dev/whatever should tell you what fs is on that partition |
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| 02:31.58 | y | abrotman =) |
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| 02:32.17 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: where did you get your kernel ? |
| 02:32.43 | rocketmagnet | from a page that someone from here pointed me |
| 02:32.48 | rocketmagnet | to |
| 02:32.55 | rocketmagnet | the one for the backports |
| 02:33.02 | abrotman | kmuto or backports.org ? |
| 02:33.06 | rocketmagnet | yes |
| 02:33.11 | abrotman | OR!!!!!!! |
| 02:33.12 | rocketmagnet | first |
| 02:33.14 | abrotman | it was not yes/no |
| 02:33.21 | rocketmagnet | or let me look |
| 02:33.25 | abrotman | is there a linux-headers on the CD ? |
| 02:33.38 | rocketmagnet | it's a netinstall |
| 02:33.50 | rocketmagnet | so only basic system or ? |
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| 02:34.35 | rocketmagnet | when i tried the "apt-get install `uname -r`" thing i got an error |
| 02:34.38 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: you could grab the package from packages.debian.org .. what do you need headers for anyways ? |
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| 02:34.41 | rocketmagnet | package not found |
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| 02:34.58 | rocketmagnet | nvidia 3d driver |
| 02:35.18 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 02:35.26 | rocketmagnet | hm? |
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| 02:37.13 | lunaphyte | how can i apply filtering to syslog.conf? (e.g. messages logged to the user facility only go to foo.log if the string "foo" is found in the message.) |
| 02:37.15 | abrotman | did PDO go poof ? |
| 02:37.20 | abrotman | !tell Javi|zZz about away |
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| 02:37.58 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: i'm here in textmode =(, can't handle lynx to find the download =( |
| 02:37.58 | lunaphyte | slow but alive from here. |
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| 02:38.11 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: dpkg-architecture ... does it say amd64 for the build_arch ? |
| 02:38.17 | Javi|zZz | abrotman: Oh god. I use away command on the wrong server. My apologizes. :x |
| 02:38.27 | abrotman | Javi|zZz: next time .. we behead you! |
| 02:38.29 | rocketmagnet | yes |
| 02:38.34 | Javi|zZz | x) |
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| 02:39.13 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: i just want to try my hands a bit on 64bit programming |
| 02:39.17 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: yes yes |
| 02:39.19 | rocketmagnet | and opengl |
| 02:39.32 | rocketmagnet | with my sweet litle nds ;) |
| 02:39.38 | rocketmagnet | little |
| 02:40.32 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: wget ftp://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-headers-2.6.23-1-amd64_2.6.23-2_amd64.deb |
| 02:40.42 | abrotman | hrm .. wait |
| 02:40.46 | abrotman | no .. that's right |
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| 02:41.29 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: you're going to have to learn how to use a CLI web browser |
| 02:42.03 | rocketmagnet | yes |
| 02:42.07 | rocketmagnet | someda |
| 02:42.08 | rocketmagnet | y |
| 02:42.12 | rocketmagnet | =) |
| 02:42.15 | rocketmagnet | no, just kidding |
| 02:42.29 | rocketmagnet | i just want to get my system up and running |
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| 02:42.57 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: you could try the vesa driver |
| 02:43.26 | rocketmagnet | i know, there is also a xorg nvidia driver for 2d only |
| 02:43.50 | abrotman | so use it to get the real one working |
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| 02:45.23 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: what's wrong with latest sid ? |
| 02:45.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | nearing the 800... feels a bit full in here :) |
| 02:45.59 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: you didn't even know how to get that package .. really shouldn't be running sid |
| 02:46.17 | rocketmagnet | hehe, just have read that it work out of the box with my config |
| 02:46.31 | rocketmagnet | when i try to install with dpkg -i package i get errors |
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| 02:46.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | not surprising |
| 02:47.20 | rocketmagnet | because it's a backport ? |
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| 02:47.51 | abrotman | apt-get -f install |
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| 02:51.46 | rocketmagnet | hmmm, now it seems like another kernel header is installed =( |
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| 02:58.22 | rocketmagnet | ... |
| 02:58.43 | jello | ,,, |
| 02:59.17 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: how can i make apt-get let me install my kernel sources ? it looks like he allways install other kernel headers instead |
| 02:59.34 | abrotman | explain |
| 02:59.40 | abrotman | jello: i had something to bark at you about |
| 03:00.53 | bazhang | nice topic |
| 03:01.45 | abrotman | jello: oh .. fceu :) |
| 03:01.56 | jello | ah yes... |
| 03:02.04 | abrotman | jello: is there anyway to change the buttons assigned to actions ? |
| 03:02.10 | abrotman | the "conf" file seems binary |
| 03:02.16 | jello | it is... :( |
| 03:02.23 | abrotman | and my thinkpad .. well .. isn't compatible :) |
| 03:02.43 | jello | your thinkpad has a joystick? |
| 03:02.47 | jello | you mean hdaps? |
| 03:02.52 | abrotman | it has a nubbie :) |
| 03:03.01 | abrotman | i meant the keystrokes .. like the arrow keys? |
| 03:03.06 | jello | that's a mouse, no? |
| 03:03.07 | abrotman | or zsaw |
| 03:03.11 | abrotman | yes .. nubbie is a mouse |
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| 03:03.33 | abrotman | jello: in fceu's defense .. nestra didn't fare any better |
| 03:03.35 | jello | oh, the keyboard input, hrm....lemme check |
| 03:04.39 | abrotman | jello: oh wait .. it was the other that had problems wiht zsaw(arrows) .. fceu .. i can't use the A/B/Start/Select |
| 03:04.51 | abrotman | still a kb problem i suppose |
| 03:05.41 | rocketmagnet | what's the fastest way to install debian and compile the kernel myself ? |
| 03:06.01 | rocketmagnet | so i have etch with latest kernel |
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| 03:06.11 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: maybe you know ? |
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| 03:06.25 | jello | rocketmagnet: kernel-package |
| 03:06.26 | abrotman | why do you need the latest kernel ? |
| 03:08.04 | rocketmagnet | because of my sata dvd and hd (debian install does not find the dvd and the onboard lan) |
| 03:08.31 | nevyn | there's ways around that. |
| 03:08.42 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: so etch netinst doesn't work at all? |
| 03:08.45 | rocketmagnet | i have no problem with compiling the kernel |
| 03:09.00 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: i got a baseinstall (so i'm in textmode) |
| 03:09.07 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: but you used kmuto? |
| 03:09.17 | rocketmagnet | yes |
| 03:09.22 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: but your regular sources work ? |
| 03:09.24 | rocketmagnet | the dvd is working with it |
| 03:09.37 | nevyn | etch D-I should work... if you pass libata magic |
| 03:09.44 | abrotman | you can install kernel-package .. make your own .. and then you'll have source/headers/image |
| 03:09.46 | nevyn | at the boot prompt |
| 03:10.02 | rocketmagnet | nevyn: what ? |
| 03:10.14 | rocketmagnet | have no idea what you mean |
| 03:10.25 | nevyn | rocketmagnet: it can be made to work. |
| 03:10.28 | rocketmagnet | lspci show many unkown devices |
| 03:10.31 | screamingbytes | did u get the business card one? 32mb rocketmagnet? |
| 03:10.54 | rocketmagnet | what for 32mb ? |
| 03:10.58 | rocketmagnet | what you mean ? |
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| 03:11.18 | screamingbytes | from the dl site there is a 32mb business card net install, then a 150mb+ netinst |
| 03:11.26 | abrotman | screamingbytes: that won't help |
| 03:11.31 | screamingbytes | there is one called business card |
| 03:11.40 | rocketmagnet | i've downloaded the 150mb one |
| 03:11.41 | nevyn | he needs libata magic parameters. |
| 03:11.55 | screamingbytes | abrotman: kk, sorry if i added confusion |
| 03:12.04 | rocketmagnet | nevyn: where do i get them from ? |
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| 03:12.31 | rocketmagnet | i would be happy if my 3 dvd download was not useless |
| 03:12.51 | rocketmagnet | brb |
| 03:12.52 | nevyn | libata.atapi_enabled=1 |
| 03:12.57 | nevyn | is the requisite magic |
| 03:13.04 | abrotman | yay magic! |
| 03:13.27 | rocketmagnet | only this at the boot prompt when installing ? |
| 03:13.56 | nevyn | atapi support on sata was kinda new so it was disabled in the installer kernel... (the debian ppl use the gnome theory on features apparently) |
| 03:14.29 | nevyn | rocketmagnet: after linux ;) |
| 03:14.50 | \amethyst | nevyn: it's different: GNOME disables old features, Debian (in this case) disables new ones :) |
| 03:15.02 | rocketmagnet | k, i'll try this |
| 03:15.08 | rocketmagnet | until later |
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| 03:16.59 | b94 | hello, i isntalled debian sparc on my slave hard drive, how do I boot it up from openboot? |
| 03:17.11 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 03:17.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net |
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| 03:18.05 | b94 | ? |
| 03:18.16 | jello | abrotman: sorry, i'm back |
| 03:18.29 | abrotman | jello: it's okay .. i thought you were plotting my destruction .. which is okay |
| 03:18.43 | jello | abrotman: i don't think there's an option but I need to check the source to be sure |
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| 03:19.04 | abrotman | jello: i didn't see anything in the man page .. but it's obviously possible i overlooked it |
| 03:19.24 | jello | abrotman: manpage doesn't have all options, you need to check /usr/share/doc/fceu/fceultra.html |
| 03:19.31 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:19.33 | jello | but i'm gonna check the source just in case |
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| 03:22.22 | KCYNICE | if vim support high-lighted codes? |
| 03:23.01 | erpo | I would like to write a shell script to search the filesystem for broken soft links. I know how to use the test program to tell if a given filesystem object is a soft link, but I don't know how to tell if it's broken. How can I do this? |
| 03:23.24 | abrotman | KCYNICE: :syntax on |
| 03:23.35 | abrotman | if that doesn't work . .install vim-full |
| 03:24.34 | KCYNICE | ok.thanks |
| 03:25.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | erpo: man bash -> -h file True if file exists and is a symbolic link. -L file ... |
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| 03:26.51 | jello | abrotman: you may be able to use -inputcfg 1 |
| 03:26.58 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 03:27.11 | abrotman | shouhld i ask what it does? |
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| 03:27.25 | abrotman | "_ |
| 03:27.27 | abrotman | doh |
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| 03:28.22 | abrotman | jello: nope .. doesn't seem to affect it at all |
| 03:28.43 | jello | abrotman: i was afraid of that, it's only for joystick input... |
| 03:28.59 | abrotman | jello: i'm guessing this is a keycode issue .. but i'm not really sure |
| 03:29.18 | abrotman | start works .. A/B don't |
| 03:29.28 | jello | abrotman: so, awsz doens't work? |
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| 03:29.50 | abrotman | jello: those do work .. i just can't actually select anything |
| 03:30.17 | abrotman | jello: i'll poke around a bit more and see if i can figure out why .. xev says the alt/ctrl L/R send different codes .. |
| 03:30.27 | jello | abrotman: should be tab/enter for select/start |
| 03:30.36 | abrotman | yeah .. enter works ... |
| 03:31.11 | johnf | if I used to be a Debian developer is there an easy way to become one again or should I just follow the standard process? |
| 03:31.34 | jello | johnf: depends how you resigned... |
| 03:31.42 | jello | johnf: check the d-d-a archives |
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| 03:32.35 | jello | abrotman: it's not ctrl/alt |
| 03:32.46 | jello | abrotman: you want 2 & 3 on the keypad |
| 03:32.58 | abrotman | jello: that's what my man page says it is |
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| 03:33.09 | Hamb | I have architecture i686, which distribution should I download then? |
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| 03:33.42 | erpo | Hamb: i386? |
| 03:33.42 | abrotman | jello: the man page on lenny says it is .. wait .. |
| 03:33.50 | Hamb | I don't know what I'm saying |
| 03:34.01 | Hamb | Yeah ofcourse |
| 03:34.39 | abrotman | jello: i think the man page conflicts the fceultra.html |
| 03:34.44 | abrotman | on lenny anyways |
| 03:34.52 | jello | abrotman: looks like you're right... |
| 03:35.03 | jello | source agrees with fceultra.html |
| 03:35.07 | abrotman | jello: sorry .. i don't like making work |
| 03:35.19 | abrotman | jello: however .. this would totally make sense why alt/ctrl don't work :) |
| 03:35.20 | jello | abrotman: well, it should've gotten fixed... |
| 03:35.32 | jello | abrotman: do you prefer ctrl/alt ? |
| 03:35.50 | abrotman | jello: well .. i would .. i'm on a thinkpad .. i no real numpad |
| 03:35.56 | abrotman | erm .. i have no real numpad |
| 03:36.06 | abrotman | as most laptop users wouldn't either |
| 03:36.21 | abrotman | TBH .. i'd prefer arrows and ctrl/alt ... |
| 03:37.05 | jello | yeah, figures... |
| 03:37.10 | abrotman | hehe .. sorry |
| 03:37.18 | jello | abrotman: reportbug and i'll see what i can do :) |
| 03:37.35 | abrotman | jello: okay .. probably not tonight .. but i'll try to get it in this weekend ... |
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| 03:37.48 | abrotman | jello: do you want a separate for the manpage/htmldoc disagreement ? |
| 03:38.04 | abrotman | i guess that makes sense |
| 03:38.13 | abrotman | one is actually a bug .. the other a wishlist |
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| 03:39.37 | jello | abrotman: http://www.phreque.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=1&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=19&vmcchk=1&Itemid=19 |
| 03:39.59 | jello | hmm, out of stock |
| 03:40.02 | jello | :( |
| 03:40.21 | abrotman | jello: oh yeah .. i've seen those .. i don't use fceu a lot (obviously since my laptop is incompatible) .. but i guess i could be convinced :) |
| 03:40.29 | abrotman | but dgen works perfectly! |
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| 03:41.40 | jello | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.44 | jello | guess i got my wish :) |
| 03:42.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:42.22 | abrotman | no more #debian play time for you! |
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| 03:43.29 | jello | hmm, the table in the manpage doesn't work anymore :( |
| 03:43.34 | jello | wonder why that is... |
| 03:43.44 | abrotman | you broked the table?! |
| 03:43.51 | abrotman | or you mean the keys dont' work ? |
| 03:43.53 | Picazzo | Hi |
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| 03:45.25 | onvsop | Heya fellas |
| 03:45.30 | jello | abrotman: the table |
| 03:45.31 | onvsop | i was doing a dist-upgrade |
| 03:45.39 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:45.41 | jello | abrotman: does it work for you? |
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| 03:45.47 | abrotman | jello: in lenny it does |
| 03:46.00 | jello | doesn't in sid, strange... |
| 03:46.06 | onvsop | and it seems /var/lib/dpkg/status got corrupted... is there anything i can do? or am i screwed |
| 03:46.21 | jello | abrotman: same version in both... |
| 03:46.27 | abrotman | jello: i use xterm ? |
| 03:47.05 | jello | abrotman: just tried in uxterm, still no good :( |
| 03:47.15 | abrotman | different locale? |
| 03:47.30 | jello | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 03:47.33 | abrotman | uh oh |
| 03:47.39 | abrotman | now there really is a mystery |
| 03:48.03 | onvsop | any ideas anyone? |
| 03:48.14 | abrotman | !broken status |
| 03:48.16 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 03:48.23 | abrotman | onvsop: there's a backup in /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 03:48.53 | onvsop | abrotman: atatus-old? |
| 03:48.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:48.59 | sco50000 | where are application manuals stored? |
| 03:48.59 | onvsop | *status-old |
| 03:49.04 | abrotman | !status recovery |
| 03:49.04 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|xargs aptitude --schedule-only reinstall; aptitude install;; |
| 03:49.07 | sco50000 | not man files |
| 03:49.07 | abrotman | if you need it |
| 03:49.18 | abrotman | sco50000: /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 03:49.53 | jello | abrotman: i was going to say http://localhost/doc/ |
| 03:50.01 | jello | as mandated by policy ;) |
| 03:50.05 | onvsop | abrotman.. i copied ststus-old over status.. |
| 03:50.10 | abrotman | onvsop: and? |
| 03:50.19 | onvsop | then i run dpkg --configure -a |
| 03:50.22 | sco50000 | hmm, that's what i tried in the KDE Help Center to build indexes, but it says missing and it won't use that |
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| 03:50.32 | Picazzo | Bye |
| 03:50.36 | abrotman | sco50000: i have no idea what kde expects .. |
| 03:50.40 | sco50000 | do you know what the KDE Help Center is looking for? |
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| 03:50.58 | onvsop | abrotman: it gives me parse error on /var/lib/dpkg/updates/0005 |
| 03:51.00 | abrotman | you could ask #debian-kde if they are awake |
| 03:51.09 | abrotman | onvsop: see above |
| 03:51.12 | jello | sco50000: it should "just work" |
| 03:51.21 | jello | iirc |
| 03:51.33 | jello | it's been a while since i configured my kde |
| 03:51.36 | sco50000 | well, it "just doesn't work" |
| 03:51.41 | jello | heh |
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| 03:51.53 | jello | sco50000: what exactly is the problem/error? |
| 03:51.54 | onvsop | thanks abrotman |
| 03:51.55 | onvsop | :) |
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| 03:52.01 | jello | abrotman: what version of man-db? |
| 03:52.15 | grendal_prime | damn you guys |
| 03:52.18 | abrotman | 2.5.0-4 |
| 03:52.27 | grendal_prime | your like...as reliable as the weather |
| 03:52.28 | jello | abrotman: groff-base? |
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| 03:52.30 | abrotman | grendal_prime: we love you too |
| 03:52.34 | sco50000 | jello: in the KDE Help Center i tried to 'build indexes' so i could search the application manuals |
| 03:52.40 | abrotman | 1.18.1.1-15 |
| 03:52.45 | sco50000 | and i need to specify a directory |
| 03:52.54 | grendal_prime | its just funny i log in here i cant count how many times you two are the first names on the list |
| 03:52.55 | johnf | jello: found an email from 2003. I got pinged by the mainter ping and replied back that I'd retire my account. I put into an emeritus status apparently |
| 03:53.01 | jello | abrotman: rats... |
| 03:53.08 | abrotman | jello: ? |
| 03:53.12 | abrotman | jello: everything matches ? |
| 03:53.13 | grendal_prime | YOU NINJAZ OWN THIS CHANNEL! |
| 03:53.23 | abrotman | grendal_prime: lay off the coffee |
| 03:53.25 | jello | abrotman: yeah :-/ |
| 03:53.38 | abrotman | jello: just file bugs on all of them! |
| 03:53.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | that looks like something more serious than coffee... |
| 03:53.50 | Hamb | 3 dvds, omg! |
| 03:54.11 | jello | sco50000: it works for me... :) |
| 03:54.20 | sco50000 | you have KDE? |
| 03:54.24 | jello | yeah |
| 03:54.40 | abrotman | jello: less/more/most/pager ? |
| 03:54.41 | jello | sco50000: i just check off Application Manuals, then click build index |
| 03:54.48 | sco50000 | and you went /usr/share/doc? |
| 03:55.01 | jello | sco50000: what do you mean? |
| 03:55.10 | jello | i didn't have to specify any directoyr |
| 03:55.12 | grendal_prime | HEHEHE |
| 03:55.13 | jello | directory |
| 03:55.27 | onvsop | abrotman: Could not lock the cache file. Opening in read-only mode; any changes you make to the states of packages will NOT be preserved! |
| 03:55.37 | sco50000 | i click Build Search Indexes... and it opens another dialog |
| 03:55.41 | abrotman | onvsop: lovely |
| 03:55.48 | onvsop | :( |
| 03:56.06 | onvsop | bad? |
| 03:56.20 | jello | onvsop: may just be a stale lock... |
| 03:56.31 | jello | if apt died... |
| 03:56.40 | onvsop | whick lock but |
| 03:56.56 | jello | abrotman: man fceu | less, doesn't work |
| 03:56.59 | onvsop | which one |
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| 03:57.32 | abrotman | jello: i meant the pager being used .. but likely not |
| 03:57.55 | jello | abrotman: yeah, it's some kind of rendering problem |
| 03:58.00 | jello | it's not calling tbl... |
| 03:58.32 | johnf | jello: any pointers on what I should do if I'm a retired maintainer? |
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| 03:59.38 | onvsop | jello.. which lock file should i delete? |
| 04:00.11 | jello | johnf: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/02/msg00008.html |
| 04:00.25 | johnf | jello: thanks |
| 04:00.46 | jello | np |
| 04:01.38 | jello | onvsop: what happens if you `apt-get update` ? |
| 04:01.55 | abrotman | jello: sorry to break your toys ... |
| 04:02.39 | onvsop | jello: it fetches package list then gives ms : dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
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| 04:02.59 | jello | ok, and what happens when you do? |
| 04:06.28 | GhostlyDeath | Will "modprobe snd-seq-midi" stay modprobed? |
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| 04:06.57 | abrotman | you can put it in /etc/modules |
| 04:07.19 | onvsop | jello if i do it i get: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0005' near line 20 package `libxmuu1': |
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| 04:15.58 | jello | onvsop: hmm |
| 04:16.15 | sco50000 | jello: turns out i just had to install htdig |
| 04:16.18 | onvsop | what if i delete that studd in the updates folder? |
| 04:16.33 | jello | sco50000: ah, that would help :) |
| 04:17.47 | jello | onvsop: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/examples/debian-package-database-rebuild |
| 04:17.58 | sco50000 | jello: i just turned to the power of google, and behold, an answer so simple i feel like a dunce |
| 04:18.09 | onvsop | thanks jello :) |
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| 04:20.09 | jello | onvsop: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-survival |
| 04:20.16 | jello | that may also be of help :) |
| 04:20.32 | onvsop | many thanks jello :) |
| 04:23.31 | jello | sco50000: khelpcenter depends on htdig |
| 04:23.31 | jello | don't know why you didn't have it... |
| 04:23.55 | jello | sco50000: in fact, it's in the pkg description :) |
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| 04:27.05 | ola_ | hello all, I have some init scripts that recently stopped starting, when I tried to find the reason, I found that 'start_daemon' was called by all of them, and is not on my system. The odd thing is that packages.debian.org does not find 'start_daemon' in any package. Can any of you shed some light on this situation? Am I the only one? |
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| 04:27.37 | grendal_prime | never heard of it |
| 04:28.25 | mosno_ | is there a command called 'cs'? |
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| 04:28.43 | mosno_ | or, can someone please check: apt-file --regexp 'cs$' for me :) |
| 04:28.47 | grendal_prime | terminal c then tab |
| 04:28.58 | mosno_ | apt-file search of course |
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| 04:39.29 | grendal_prime | damn i need to get the last inserted row via pythong |
| 04:39.32 | grendal_prime | python.. |
| 04:39.51 | grendal_prime | i can do that php..but i know dick about python at this point |
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| 04:45.05 | screamingbytes | mosno_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=398605 |
| 04:45.08 | grendal_prime | nevermind that was stupid..its a query i get that with |
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| 04:46.19 | ganesh | how to update the grub after copying the filesystem from live cd |
| 04:46.26 | mosno_ | screamingbytes: thanks |
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| 04:47.15 | screamingbytes | ganesh: update-grub ? |
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| 04:50.37 | ganesh | screamingbytes, yeah i did , after that im seeing the menu.lst its having the details of its partition , wat about other partition |
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| 04:51.34 | victor__ | how can I force a program to quit with a command line? |
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| 04:52.52 | Ezep | Anyone know where is the file with the map of characteres, it must be in ~/.Xmodmap but it isn't there :/ |
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| 04:55.07 | wols_ | that's the user defined one. doesn't have to exists necessarily |
| 04:55.14 | wols_ | but you can create it of course |
| 04:55.35 | wols_ | victor__: man killall |
| 04:55.46 | Ezep | Mmm, I would like to create a default one wols_ |
| 04:56.07 | wols_ | ganesh: what do you mean other partition? |
| 04:56.08 | Ezep | Use it and modify |
| 04:56.28 | wols_ | ganesh: there is no livecd to copy debian from over |
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| 04:58.25 | ganesh | there is no live debian , myself created a livecd & copied on the hard disk |
| 04:58.40 | ganesh | wols_, there is no live debian , myself created a livecd & copied on the hard disk |
| 04:58.57 | Ezep | Yeah, there is a live debian |
| 04:59.14 | Ezep | Google it my friend :) |
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| 04:59.52 | ganesh | Ezep, ok my quetion is not searching a liv ce |
| 05:00.05 | Ezep | K, i did't see it, pardon me |
| 05:00.07 | wols_ | et: not yet. and certainly not for installing |
| 05:00.28 | wols_ | ganesh: grub is not installed the way you did it |
| 05:00.30 | Ezep | Ezep :P |
| 05:00.48 | ganesh | wols_, yeah |
| 05:01.20 | Ezep | wols_: could u help me to create a .Xmodmap? :( |
| 05:02.05 | ganesh | wols_, what you said is correct & from live cd i want to make the mbr to newly created partition |
| 05:03.00 | ganesh | wols_, through chroot if i run grub-install it is creating ":stage1" |
| 05:03.25 | ganesh | wols_, but the error is "unable to read" |
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| 05:04.21 | sagar | how can i "force version" (like in synaptic) using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 05:04.28 | wols_ | dors /boot/grub/stage1 exist? |
| 05:04.43 | wols_ | does /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/stage1 |
| 05:04.46 | wols_ | exist? |
| 05:04.51 | wols_ | sagar: why? |
| 05:05.08 | wols_ | ganesh: livecd normally doesn't have grub you know |
| 05:05.25 | sagar | wols_, when i try to do it in synaptic on a certain package, it won't let me apply...it pauses for a sec, and then the package reverts to the version i don't want |
| 05:05.39 | wols_ | !wayttd |
| 05:05.39 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 05:06.05 | Ezep | !tell Ezep about xmodmap |
| 05:06.40 | sagar | er i installed the "global menu" version of libgtk2, but now i want to revert to the original and it does that in synaptic |
| 05:06.42 | Ezep | he dont help :/ |
| 05:07.34 | wols_ | apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 05:07.38 | wols_ | pastebin the output of that |
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| 05:08.04 | ganesh | wols_, in mine live cd grub package is there |
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| 05:08.59 | sagar | wols_, http://pastebin.com/d3d3ac44b |
| 05:09.00 | mage | I cant search packages.debian for the kernel image package name :( |
| 05:09.09 | ganesh | wols_, even if grub is not there we can install the grub package on the newly created partition |
| 05:09.30 | wols_ | mage: linux-image |
| 05:09.45 | wols_ | !tell sagar about ubuntu |
| 05:09.50 | wols_ | sagar: please go to #ubuntu |
| 05:10.26 | ganesh | wols_, my prob is " when im booting from harddisk it should boot from newly created partition " |
| 05:10.53 | wols_ | does the grub bootmenu appear? |
| 05:11.09 | sagar | wols_, i did..but is there a way to force the version anyway? or is apt all different between debian and ubuntu |
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| 05:12.35 | wols_ | debian and ubuntu are different. and this is the wrong channel for you |
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| 05:13.02 | sagar | i see |
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| 05:13.28 | mage | well apt syntax is the same, but a lot of stuff is different |
| 05:13.53 | sagar | yea...it was really an apt question...but unfortunately thre's no #apt |
| 05:15.06 | wols_ | mage: you're welcome to help sagar, if you do it in #ubuntu |
| 05:15.13 | juso | Anyone recommened a specific openvpn tutorial url? I see a few, and they all seem to have their differences, thanks. |
| 05:15.19 | Ezep | wols_: no way to xmodmap? :/ |
| 05:15.29 | Ezep | Sorry, im searching how to create... and nothing |
| 05:15.31 | mage | :o |
| 05:15.38 | wols_ | Ezep: $EDITOR ~/.Xmodmap |
| 05:15.48 | sagar | haha thanks for trying to help wols_ |
| 05:16.03 | Ezep | wols_: but... what I put there? :P |
| 05:16.10 | wols_ | Ezep: man xmodmap |
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| 05:16.14 | Ezep | K |
| 05:16.35 | mage | wols_: I don't remember how to force a version even on debian :) |
| 05:16.43 | wols_ | juso: openvpn.net |
| 05:17.05 | mage | wols_: do I need to use the initrd? |
| 05:17.12 | wols_ | mage: that's why $deity created manpages: right now I don't know either but I know where to look |
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| 05:17.39 | wols_ | mage: with dbeian kernels: yes. and you don#t need to do anything but install the kernel pakcage with. rest is done automatically |
| 05:18.08 | wols_ | you install it and you have another entry on your boot menu |
| 05:19.02 | mage | oic it tells me so |
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| 05:20.13 | mage | ubuntu isn't as user friendly as debian for messing around |
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| 05:21.06 | wols_ | not designed for it |
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| 05:24.14 | onvsop | hey fellas ;) |
| 05:24.27 | ganesh | wols_, i am not getting where the boot menu has to appear |
| 05:24.32 | onvsop | just upgraded kernels.. and i forgot how i setup the nvidida display driver |
| 05:24.46 | Dewi | if I want to host PHP code that I don't 100% trust... what is sane way to do it? |
| 05:24.47 | onvsop | do we need to compile from source? |
| 05:25.04 | Dewi | anyone got any opinions about... hardened php, chrooting, etc? |
| 05:25.13 | Dewi | or any other approaches? |
| 05:25.17 | Dewi | or whether any of them are really necessary? |
| 05:25.29 | wols_ | !tell onvsop about nvidia_post_etch |
| 05:25.51 | webPragmatist | haha 500 error on youtuvbe |
| 05:25.51 | webPragmatist | http://www.youtube.com/ |
| 05:25.51 | onvsop | thanks wols_ :D |
| 05:25.52 | wols_ | Dewi: you machine is toast. you cannot guarantee a secure php |
| 05:26.19 | Dewi | wols_: every site in a VM? :) |
| 05:26.30 | wols_ | a VM is no security measure |
| 05:26.39 | Dewi | wols_: ... with really aggressive firewalling? |
| 05:26.47 | wols_ | a VM is no security measure |
| 05:26.54 | Dewi | wols_: why not? |
| 05:26.59 | Dewi | my main concern is always the port 25 thing |
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| 05:27.10 | wols_ | cause it has exploits and is not designed for one |
| 05:27.27 | Dewi | there are legitimate uses and illegitimate... but without code signing type structures it's hard to think of a way to keep only "responsible" use of port 25 |
| 05:27.34 | ganesh | wols_, i am not getting where the boot menu has to appear |
| 05:27.46 | wols_ | it won't become a spam zombie. it'll be a command and control server instead |
| 05:27.56 | Dewi | wols_: incidentally, what's your advice about hosting web apps? |
| 05:27.57 | wols_ | or hosting a roque site |
| 05:28.02 | wols_ | and you cannot bloc port80 |
| 05:28.16 | mage | Dewi: what sort of not trusting? |
| 05:28.19 | Azar | yep there is a necessary hole there :) |
| 05:28.37 | wols_ | ganesh: then you need to install grub. I'd advise by (re) installing grub with dpkg -i |
| 05:28.45 | mage | not trusting the code to hack the gibson is different from not trusting it to not rm -rf / |
| 05:28.46 | Dewi | mage: well, the best PHP source I've ever read still hasn't given me much confidence |
| 05:29.01 | wols_ | Dewi: wise decision |
| 05:29.04 | mttr | what is best way to get better performance on older system.. besides xfce4 |
| 05:29.10 | wols_ | php itself hasn't given me any confidence yet |
| 05:29.16 | Dewi | wols_: that too |
| 05:29.18 | Dewi | wols_: I hate it |
| 05:29.24 | Dewi | wols_: but... everything is written in it* |
| 05:29.28 | mage | mttr: old comps have low ram, steal some from other older computers |
| 05:29.30 | wols_ | mage: use the least RAM possible |
| 05:29.36 | Dewi | * hyperbole |
| 05:30.07 | mttr | i've got 198 mb |
| 05:30.15 | Azar | mttr: keeping it as basic and simple as possible while functional |
| 05:30.43 | mttr | using two drive on for main and one for scratch.. would that help |
| 05:30.45 | wols_ | with that much RAM you culd almost run gnome :) |
| 05:30.53 | wols_ | you certainly can run xfce+ffox |
| 05:31.03 | mage | mttr: my dad thinks p3 600 with 384mb is slower than p3 533 and 512mb |
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| 05:31.35 | Dewi | wols_: so... what would you use to host web apps? |
| 05:31.38 | Azar | + a good chunk of swap |
| 05:31.40 | mttr | yes it does run it.. but the desktop is not as responsive as i would like (within limits of course) |
| 05:31.53 | Azar | eeeeeee no desktop for you |
| 05:31.58 | ganesh | wols_, are you asking me to reinstall the grub |
| 05:32.08 | mttr | is anything more than double the mem for swap any better |
| 05:32.15 | Azar | mttr: you can live decently without a desktop |
| 05:32.25 | mage | mttr: i personally dont use swap |
| 05:32.32 | Dewi | mttr: depends how much you want to load into it |
| 05:32.37 | mage | mttr: but then I dont have 198 mb of ram.... |
| 05:32.37 | Azar | mage: swap is allways good |
| 05:32.38 | mttr | it not for me it for a family member so i have to make workable for them |
| 05:32.40 | wols_ | ganesh: I don't ask |
| 05:33.15 | Azar | mttr: use simple xserver with a nice wallpaper and a light window manager |
| 05:33.20 | ganesh | wols_, if i reinstall the grub on the new partition will it update the grub |
| 05:33.24 | Dewi | mttr: if a major fraction of your RAM use takes place on a disk your performance is going to suck of course |
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| 05:33.52 | mttr | i see.. so how can i limit it to ram |
| 05:34.05 | Azar | no desktop |
| 05:34.12 | mttr | making it smaller on the disk ? |
| 05:34.34 | Dewi | mttr: you can run without swap if you want, but you'll miss out on certain optimisations and your machine will pop if you use all your memory |
| 05:34.40 | Azar | WHAT? |
| 05:34.42 | mage | mttr: linux uses the ram first priority, thats why you can have swap and it ignores it |
| 05:35.05 | Azar | mttr: on low ram swap is a must don't listen to them |
| 05:35.08 | mage | mttr: just realize its really easy to fill 198mb of ram... |
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| 05:35.34 | Dewi | oh, it's that small is it? |
| 05:35.37 | \amethyst | having swap lets little-used data get evicted from cache in favour of often-used code or data |
| 05:35.41 | Dewi | I wouldn't even be running a desktop debian with that |
| 05:35.43 | Dewi | swap or not |
| 05:35.45 | \amethyst | s/data/read-write data/ |
| 05:35.59 | mage | Dewi: I think this is a better-than-nothing case |
| 05:36.14 | Azar | life is really good without a desktop |
| 05:36.18 | \amethyst | whereas without swap, any data page that has been written to is pretty much stuck in memory |
| 05:36.42 | Dewi | mage: debian linux isn't the only OS out there |
| 05:36.44 | mttr | so if the swap is there it is only use if it needs it |
| 05:36.51 | Dewi | mage: horrible as it is to imagine :) |
| 05:37.01 | mage | Dewi: I meant computer specswise |
| 05:37.09 | Azar | mttr: without swap your system gets frozen often |
| 05:37.10 | mage | mttr: aye |
| 05:37.32 | mttr | i tryied pclinux.. and it run.. but doesn't intall the grub properly, and Vector 5.8 and 5.9 wan't install |
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| 05:38.04 | rrrggghhh | how do I speed up an application running over ssh with x |
| 05:38.17 | rrrggghhh | or reduce the latency, more accurately |
| 05:38.33 | Dewi | rrrggghhh: first of all turn on ssh compression might help. |
| 05:38.35 | wols_ | low bandwith X, blowfish as a cipher, no cipher if possible |
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| 05:38.46 | Dewi | rrrggghhh: then there are schemes like low bandwidth X, which seems old and hacky but definitely does work |
| 05:38.56 | Dewi | oh yeah blowfish/twofish ciphers are fast |
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| 05:38.59 | rrrggghhh | how do I go about using that |
| 05:39.00 | Ezep | How could I bind Mod4 as Ctrl_R? |
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| 05:39.19 | Dewi | rrrggghhh: it works like a proxy between the X app and the X server |
| 05:39.30 | Dewi | rrrggghhh: you run it and adjust your DISPLAY env var |
| 05:39.37 | Dewi | rrrggghhh: don't remember the package name |
| 05:39.42 | rrrggghhh | hmm |
| 05:39.45 | rrrggghhh | anyone know it |
| 05:40.15 | Ezep | How could I bind Mod4 as Ctrl_R with xmodkey? |
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| 05:42.24 | mage | Dewi: so what do you recommend for low ram? I have a couple low ram computers around |
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| 05:43.07 | Dewi | mage: well recent gnome/kde strike me as too bloated for that kind of hardware |
| 05:43.18 | Ezep | Im using debian with wmii and the hw 60mb of ram, 233mhz :) |
| 05:43.30 | Dewi | mage: so if you want to avoid windows, there might be low ram X desktop environments you could check out |
| 05:44.05 | mage | ah |
| 05:44.12 | Ezep | I recommend, fluxbox for that |
| 05:44.19 | Dewi | mage: obviously years ago we ran linux desktops with low RAM, but I feel wary about recommending old linux code because there's not much ongoing support |
| 05:44.30 | Ezep | Or if u hace 128mb of ram, xfce |
| 05:45.05 | mage | afk rebooting |
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| 05:45.31 | Ezep | How could I bind Mod4 as Ctrl_R with xmodkey? |
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| 05:46.59 | mttr | wmii can't remember that one.. is the like openbox or ice |
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| 05:48.24 | Ezep | No, like dwm and ratpoison |
| 05:48.43 | Ezep | tiling like wm |
| 05:48.52 | Ezep | They are called :P |
| 05:50.33 | Azar | damn stupid pdf! never opens |
| 05:50.58 | Ezep | xpdf don't open it? :/ |
| 05:51.17 | Azar | yeah |
| 05:51.31 | Azar | gotta delete it now.. crap |
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| 05:54.09 | Azar | heehehe nice: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200801/resume.gif |
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| 05:54.18 | Azar | no wonder unemployment is high |
| 05:54.35 | mttr | would slackware be faster than debian it using the same WM i've always shyed away from slack |
| 05:54.44 | Azar | wait that was Nyle! |
| 05:55.12 | zu22 | anyone know of a good debian package that is a cli spell checker? it only needs to work with ASCII text files. ideally i could run it on an entire directory such as "spellcheck /foo" and it would return the incorrect words with file and line numbers etc.. |
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| 05:55.54 | onvsop | !tell onvsop nvidia one liner |
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| 05:58.16 | \amethyst | zu22: non-interactive? |
| 05:59.05 | zu22 | \amethyst: well ideally non-interactive, my goal is to do something like "spellcheck /foo >> tocheck.txt" and then just load it in emacs and quickly go through the files and manually correct them. |
| 05:59.13 | onvsop | hey guys :) |
| 05:59.26 | onvsop | i have used the nvidia_post_etch one liner on my debian testing.. |
| 05:59.29 | \amethyst | zu22: emacs has a mode for interacting with ispell or aspell |
| 05:59.44 | mage | hmmm linux-image- -k7 doesn't work with a k6-2 I guess I want -686 or -486? |
| 06:00.11 | zu22 | \amethyst: i guess i'll use that if nothing is available, i would like to get a list of all the errors at once though, so i can go through at my leisure and track my progress, i'm doing this for an open source project |
| 06:00.20 | Azar | lol |
| 06:00.21 | onvsop | and double thecked the "nvidia" module is loaded.. however wen i startx - i get - Failed to load the module "nvidia" |
| 06:00.26 | onvsop | module does not exist |
| 06:00.50 | \amethyst | zu22: but for what you ask: find directory -exec spell -on {} \; (spell is from the 'spell' package) |
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| 06:01.27 | Ezep | How could I bind Mod4 as Ctrl_R with xmodkey? |
| 06:01.32 | Azar | onvsop: not sure but from what I hear the "post etch" is only using the "nv" 2D |
| 06:01.36 | Ezep | xmodmap* |
| 06:01.44 | zu22 | \amethyst: cool thanks man, i like to do everything from cli if possible hehe |
| 06:02.05 | \amethyst | zu22: sounds like you'd be more of a vi than an emacs person |
| 06:02.10 | onvsop | !dpkg nvidia_post_etch |
| 06:02.17 | \amethyst | zu22: I thought the point of emacs was that you could do everything from inside emacs :) |
| 06:02.28 | zu22 | \amethyst: people have told me that :-) but i've grown up with emacs and doubt i'll switch now |
| 06:02.50 | zu22 | \amethyst: well when i'm coding i live in emacs but when i am non-coding i like to stay in cli when possible, i hate guis |
| 06:02.50 | Azar | omg! we got RMS visiting us! |
| 06:02.56 | zu22 | Azar: hehe |
| 06:03.03 | onvsop | Azar: there is 3d for post etch i think.. |
| 06:03.14 | onvsop | !tell Azar nvidia_post_etch |
| 06:03.35 | Azar | onvsop: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg mention "nvidia" see if it works, if not... try "nv" |
| 06:03.56 | onvsop | i did nvidia it dosent work |
| 06:04.00 | \amethyst | :he :_% |
| 06:04.01 | \amethyst | doh |
| 06:04.14 | onvsop | but the loaded mosule is nvidia |
| 06:04.18 | Azar | onvsop: nvidia nvidia is not in lenny |
| 06:04.18 | onvsop | *loaded module |
| 06:04.46 | Azar | you should have stayed with etch to enjoy it |
| 06:05.06 | onvsop | :/ |
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| 06:05.41 | Azar | onvsop: this is what I think you did: with the older kernel you installed the nvidia installer, not the debian way right? |
| 06:06.29 | onvsop | Azar.. i dont remember.. i think i used the old one liner |
| 06:06.39 | onvsop | this time i tried with the new one liner |
| 06:07.19 | onvsop | !tell Azar nvidia post etch |
| 06:07.38 | Azar | onvsop: I know, but I really don't need it |
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| 06:07.58 | onvsop | lol :) |
| 06:08.15 | onvsop | sorry :) but isnt the the non-free driver |
| 06:08.19 | soup_ | whats the hotkey to cycle through display resolutions in X? |
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| 06:08.51 | nevyn | soup_: ctrl-alt-numpad +/- |
| 06:09.07 | soup_ | ty |
| 06:09.17 | nevyn | or just type xrandr to get a list of availible screen resolutions. |
| 06:09.45 | onvsop | Azar: what would have heppened if i did what you mentioned above.. installed with the nvidia installer |
| 06:09.52 | onvsop | i dont think i did though |
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| 06:10.11 | Azar | mann I can't get that pdf, and I was burning to read all that funky resume! |
| 06:10.45 | Azar | haha: ""... I worked for Robotics For Agriculture of Selden, NY. I developed a package for them. It included an add/delete feather." |
| 06:11.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | feather? agriculture? chickens or geese? |
| 06:11.33 | Azar | hehe dunno but is hysterically funny |
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| 06:12.20 | Azar | more specifically: "An edit feather and a Monthly/Quarterly report. It was constructed of Visual Basic and Visual Fox Pro" |
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| 06:12.41 | Azar | ah Fox is the keyword: Fox-feathers |
| 06:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | chicken, then |
| 06:14.00 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: see if you can open it my browser version is too old: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200801/resume.pdf |
| 06:14.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's that got to do with the browser? |
| 06:14.31 | screamingbytes | q, im configuring dhcp3-server, ive used option ntp-servers 0.debian.pool.ntp.org the servers 0-3 comma seperated. When I try to start/restart the dhcp server it moans about "... expecting numeric value." pointing at the d in 0.debian |
| 06:14.32 | Azar | tho I am never attracted to read pdf |
| 06:14.59 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: don't know, it downloads but when I click open it does not deliver |
| 06:15.44 | Azar | maybe because I never added "features" to the browser required for opening a pdf |
| 06:16.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
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| 06:17.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | "In addition I have Installed (sic) Windows 98 and Office 97 on my computer" |
| 06:17.47 | Azar | haha |
| 06:17.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | respect, bro |
| 06:18.10 | Nyle | hi |
| 06:18.11 | screamingbytes | wth is (sic) win 98? |
| 06:18.18 | Nyle | screamingbytes: hi |
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| 06:18.20 | Azar | Nyle: read your own resume |
| 06:18.21 | Nyle | Azar: my main man |
| 06:18.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I mean it's sic Installed |
| 06:18.27 | Nyle | Azar: why?> |
| 06:18.35 | screamingbytes | oh lol |
| 06:18.52 | Azar | Nyle: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200801/resume.pdf |
| 06:19.07 | onvsop | Azar: so there is no way to run nvidia driver with testing atm? |
| 06:19.17 | Nyle | mmm |
| 06:19.20 | Nyle | foxit pdf reader pro |
| 06:19.22 | Nyle | warez |
| 06:19.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | want to say I didn't capitalize it to stress the monstrosity of the task, but he did |
| 06:19.26 | Nyle | man |
| 06:19.28 | Nyle | I love windows xp |
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| 06:19.41 | webPragmatist | http://youtube.com/watch?v=tF8soqX_6kw |
| 06:19.41 | Nyle | but i hate it more than anything else |
| 06:19.45 | Nyle | is that strange? |
| 06:19.48 | Azar | onvsop: not sure, I guess for now others are using the nvidia installer |
| 06:19.54 | onvsop | Azar: i just dont understand why the "nvidia" module compiles and gets loaded.. but X cant find it |
| 06:20.05 | onvsop | thanks for all your help |
| 06:20.12 | Nyle | onvsop: becasue the tls links have not been made or module as not been loaded |
| 06:20.22 | Nyle | either modprobe nvidia, OR, apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 06:20.23 | onvsop | i checked - module is loaded |
| 06:20.24 | Nyle | rejoice. |
| 06:20.44 | Azar | Nyle: my pdf does not open docs |
| 06:21.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 06:21.17 | screamingbytes | oooh, kicken it with clipper and kermit |
| 06:21.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | References... "Mrs. XXX I have know her 30 yr." |
| 06:21.34 | Nyle | hey man |
| 06:21.41 | Nyle | today |
| 06:21.41 | onvsop | Nyle: what im saying is the module is loaded i have checked. but when i startx - it tells me it cant dint the driver "nvidia" lsmod tells me it's loaded o_O |
| 06:21.45 | Nyle | I did not get high AT ALL |
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| 06:21.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: xpdf opens it fine |
| 06:21.59 | quanna | hi friends |
| 06:22.01 | Nyle | onvsop: *sigh* |
| 06:22.04 | Nyle | I won't repeat myself |
| 06:22.12 | Nyle | but im about to now |
| 06:22.18 | Nyle | dude, I made 200$ in tips today |
| 06:22.20 | quanna | May I have a question for you |
| 06:22.22 | Nyle | just 6 hours |
| 06:22.32 | screamingbytes | xpdf doesn't have a browser interface afiak |
| 06:22.39 | Nyle | I only worked 6 hours, which is 2 hours more than what I usually work every day |
| 06:22.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | so? |
| 06:22.55 | Nyle | part time pizza delivery, 150-200$ a day |
| 06:22.57 | Nyle | not bad man |
| 06:23.02 | screamingbytes | acrobat does, its installed automagically |
| 06:23.03 | onvsop | Nyle: srepeat what sorry? |
| 06:23.05 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: not mine, I choose to open the file and is a blank firefox screen |
| 06:23.08 | Nyle | during the day I fix computers |
| 06:23.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | wget ... |
| 06:23.18 | Nyle | 01:19 < Nyle> either modprobe nvidia, OR, apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 06:23.25 | onvsop | i have dont that a klong time ago |
| 06:23.30 | Azar | aha! |
| 06:23.32 | onvsop | i have done that a long time agp |
| 06:23.34 | onvsop | ago |
| 06:23.39 | onvsop | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.42 | Azar | so I dont got the acrobat |
| 06:23.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 06:23.47 | Nyle | like I siad |
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| 06:23.51 | Nyle | I'm not going to repeat myself |
| 06:23.54 | Nyle | anyway |
| 06:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | for me firefox opens all pdfs in xpdf... |
| 06:24.03 | Nyle | well |
| 06:24.08 | Nyle | for me everything opens in foxit pdf reader |
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| 06:24.09 | Azar | yea xpdf does not work for me |
| 06:24.10 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:24.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird |
| 06:24.18 | Nyle | or kpdf |
| 06:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | gpdf :) |
| 06:24.25 | Nyle | konqueror displays pdf inside itself |
| 06:24.26 | screamingbytes | never did for me till i installed acrobat |
| 06:24.34 | Nyle | so I don't have to fuck with xpdf or acrobat or some such bullshit |
| 06:24.37 | Azar | yeah you running the bloody edge Nyle |
| 06:24.41 | Nyle | what? |
| 06:24.45 | Nyle | konqueror? edge? |
| 06:24.48 | Azar | I dont use K |
| 06:24.53 | Nyle | you |
| 06:24.54 | Nyle | just shush |
| 06:24.55 | Nyle | ok |
| 06:24.57 | screamingbytes | i dont use kde nyle |
| 06:25.00 | Nyle | damn openbox user |
| 06:25.01 | onvsop | Nyle: i tried everythhing you said |
| 06:25.11 | screamingbytes | blackbox, xfce, or gnome |
| 06:25.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... experince level PLM: Very Heavy |
| 06:25.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 06:25.24 | Nyle | onvsop: so..... /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:25.24 | Azar | hah |
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| 06:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | DOS: Heavy |
| 06:25.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 06:25.39 | Ezep | How could I bind Mod4 as Ctrl_R with xmodmap? |
| 06:25.42 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: can you paste it on a pastebin? I die to read it |
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| 06:25.54 | Nyle | onvsop: look towards the bottom, grep (EE) |
| 06:25.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: no... I don't think it's text |
| 06:26.06 | Azar | daaaamn pdf! |
| 06:26.12 | Ezep | xD |
| 06:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: what happens if you open the file with xpdf directly? |
| 06:26.15 | Nyle | onvsop: now you need to check the xorg log file to find out what could be causing the problem |
| 06:26.16 | screamingbytes | should have said somewhere in there Blackbelt Master level 5 SenSei in rebooting |
| 06:26.29 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: just a blank firefox window |
| 06:26.36 | Cr3ature | how do i find out how good support ATI Radeon 9700 AGP has? |
| 06:26.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said in xpdf... not firefox |
| 06:26.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | like in "xpdf /tmp/resume.pdf" |
| 06:26.54 | Nyle | !ati |
| 06:26.54 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd> |
| 06:27.03 | Ezep | sarge? |
| 06:27.05 | Nyle | hm |
| 06:27.08 | Nyle | ok nevermind |
| 06:27.09 | Cr3ature | its not really that new |
| 06:27.13 | Nyle | i know |
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| 06:27.27 | Nyle | you might be able to get away with ati I'm not sure if it goes as high as 9700 |
| 06:27.47 | Nyle | but fglrx, definitely, especially with the 8.42.3 |
| 06:27.58 | Cr3ature | did i say wrong model number? |
| 06:27.59 | Nyle | it has AIGLX support, the tvout actually works |
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| 06:28.10 | Nyle | Cr3ature: you said radeon 9700 |
| 06:28.10 | Nyle | yes |
| 06:28.16 | Azar | You have chosen to open resume.pdf which is a pdf file: What should Firefox do with this file? (shove it!) |
| 06:28.21 | Cr3ature | oh |
| 06:28.24 | Cr3ature | i ment 9600xt |
| 06:28.25 | onvsop | Nyle: (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 06:28.30 | Nyle | Cr3ature: fglrx |
| 06:28.34 | onvsop | but the module is loaded |
| 06:28.43 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 06:28.48 | onvsop | lsmod | grep nvidia, it's loaded |
| 06:28.54 | screamingbytes | Evenin Nyle :) |
| 06:28.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: what are you fiddeling with firefox... it's pdf |
| 06:29.14 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: so I guess, YES, I cant read pdf |
| 06:29.16 | Nyle | onvsop: pastebin the last half of your xorg.0.log |
| 06:29.20 | Cr3ature | Nyle: does it support TV out and in? |
| 06:29.33 | Nyle | onvsop: file is too big for pastebin, so copy the last half of it, I want to see it |
| 06:29.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: what I am saying is, that you should NOT bother to use firefox at all... |
| 06:29.47 | Nyle | Cr3ature: Cr3ature only out... you need a tvcard for in |
| 06:29.52 | Nyle | tv tuner/tv card |
| 06:29.53 | Nyle | etc. |
| 06:29.59 | onvsop | cheers Nyle |
| 06:30.01 | Cr3ature | Nyle: the ATI card has In |
| 06:30.06 | Cr3ature | analog in |
| 06:30.13 | Nyle | never heard of it |
| 06:30.16 | Nyle | i only have an out |
| 06:30.30 | Nyle | as a linux user, I only know about stuff i have used/owned |
| 06:30.31 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: well... I guess I have some limitations... I used to use links before |
| 06:30.32 | Nyle | :D |
| 06:30.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: wget http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200801/resume.pdf ; xpdf resume.pdf # or kpdf or gpdf or |
| 06:30.37 | Cr3ature | oh ok |
| 06:30.40 | screamingbytes | Cr3ature: this page might hold some info for you, http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894 |
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| 06:30.49 | Cr3ature | screamingbytes: thanks |
| 06:30.56 | Azar | hey! great idea |
| 06:31.13 | Nyle | dude |
| 06:31.16 | onvsop | Nyle: http://paste2.org/p/12310 |
| 06:31.20 | screamingbytes | they ati info has gone to crap since amd bought them, but its still open source, and has info |
| 06:31.26 | Nyle | I have these two GIANT huge nugs, like 10 grams each |
| 06:31.39 | Nyle | they look so pretty and green, I don't want to break em |
| 06:31.46 | Nyle | :( but i gotta toke |
| 06:31.58 | Nyle | onvsop: hang |
| 06:32.10 | baloo | Heh, someone needs to take it to #debian-pothead or something. |
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| 06:32.30 | Azar | hehe only dingbats! |
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| 06:33.27 | Nyle | onvsop: that can't be the whole thing |
| 06:33.43 | enouf | nugs? hehe |
| 06:33.55 | Nyle | yeh |
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| 06:34.17 | enouf | you're askew |
| 06:34.35 | Nyle | onvsop: HOW did you compile the nvidia module? |
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| 06:35.25 | Azar | nugs.. hmm and what rahul has to say about them? |
| 06:35.32 | Nyle | yo man |
| 06:35.41 | Nyle | i see him like once every two months or something when i go hang out with him |
| 06:35.46 | Nyle | hes not like my wife or anything man |
| 06:35.47 | Nyle | shit |
| 06:35.49 | Azar | Nyle: isn't that strange he is so quiet? |
| 06:35.51 | Nyle | :/ |
| 06:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | jugs? |
| 06:36.29 | wols_ | onvsop: modinfo nvidia |
| 06:36.49 | Azar | Nyle: don't take it seriously, I am just jealous you see each other, better come both down here and help me pay my rent |
| 06:37.00 | Nyle | im sorry dude |
| 06:37.13 | Nyle | I didn't mean to lose my cool... I just .. fuck it man |
| 06:37.17 | Nyle | don't worrya bout it, my bad |
| 06:37.17 | Azar | we can fit all three at my place.. |
| 06:38.22 | enouf | menege et what? |
| 06:38.31 | Nyle | no |
| 06:38.38 | Azar | ? |
| 06:38.38 | Nyle | there is no menege et anything |
| 06:38.41 | Nyle | ok |
| 06:38.46 | Nyle | piss off enouf ;) |
| 06:38.54 | onvsop | Nyle: i used the on eliner |
| 06:38.55 | enouf | O_o |
| 06:38.58 | onvsop | i used the one liner |
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| 06:39.10 | onvsop | the nvidia_post_etch one |
| 06:39.30 | Nyle | !nvidia one-liner |
| 06:39.30 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 06:39.44 | Nyle | !nvidia_post_etch' |
| 06:39.46 | Nyle | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 06:39.46 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:40.11 | Nyle | hmm.. you did all that, and nvidia is loaded yet xorg can't load it/find it |
| 06:40.26 | Nyle | that usually happens if nvidia-glx is not installed |
| 06:40.40 | onvsop | Nyle |
| 06:40.43 | onvsop | i only did nvidia_post_etch |
| 06:40.44 | Nyle | or... iirc, diff gcc version than the kernel used to compile nvidia |
| 06:40.45 | Nyle | maybe? |
| 06:40.45 | onvsop | not the one liner |
| 06:40.49 | webPragmatist | whats the chan on efnet that is just for chatting randomness |
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| 06:40.54 | webPragmatist | freenode* |
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| 06:41.06 | Nyle | #defocus |
| 06:41.08 | wols_ | webPragmatist: #defocus |
| 06:41.10 | webPragmatist | yea |
| 06:41.12 | webPragmatist | thanks lol |
| 06:41.28 | wols_ | if driver is compiled with the wrong gcc, it won't even load with modprobe |
| 06:41.43 | Nyle | ahh yes, that is correct |
| 06:41.44 | wols_ | onvsop: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 06:42.11 | onvsop | was i supposed to do the one_liner and then nvidia_post_etch or just nvidia_post_etch |
| 06:42.21 | Nyle | just post etch |
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| 06:42.37 | onvsop | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.37 | onvsop | ii nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-4 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
| 06:42.37 | onvsop | ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-3-486 1.0.8776-4+2.6.22-6 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.22 |
| 06:42.37 | onvsop | ii nvidia-kernel-common 20051028+1-0.1 NVIDIA binary kernel module common files |
| 06:42.37 | onvsop | ii nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.8776-4 NVIDIA binary kernel module source |
| 06:42.37 | dpkg | ii | grep nvidia 2.4-2.3 onvsop's private gamp collection |
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| 06:42.55 | onvsop | shit sorry |
| 06:43.06 | Azar | wait, is lenny using still xfree? |
| 06:43.36 | Nyle | Azar: what did you just ask? |
| 06:43.42 | wols_ | onvsop: modinfo nvidia |
| 06:43.42 | Nyle | come again...? |
| 06:43.56 | Azar | I try to figure out what I just asked.. |
| 06:44.03 | Nyle | lol |
| 06:44.04 | wols_ | onvsop: and what nvidia card exactly? |
| 06:44.14 | onvsop | wols_ : http://paste2.org/p/12311 |
| 06:44.39 | wols_ | what nvidia card? |
| 06:44.43 | Azar | Nyle: because.... while asking I was just steering at "onvsop's private gamp collection" wondering wtf is that |
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| 06:45.48 | onvsop | what ? gamp collection? |
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| 06:46.25 | Azar | 22:43 < dpkg> ii | grep nvidia 2.4-2.3 onvsop's private gamp collection |
| 06:46.29 | onvsop | nvidia 6200 |
| 06:46.46 | Nyle | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 06:46.46 | dpkg | no, stupid nyle |
| 06:46.55 | onvsop | lol |
| 06:47.07 | Slythian | Ima R-O-B-O-T |
| 06:47.12 | Slythian | <.< |
| 06:47.15 | Slythian | ... |
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| 06:48.44 | onvsop | wols_: its a 6200 |
| 06:49.02 | wols_ | then the driver is the right one |
| 06:49.22 | onvsop | i thikn the problem is X cannot find the driver for some reason |
| 06:49.25 | onvsop | even though it's loaded |
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| 07:08.40 | screamingbytes | where the heck do i go to ask q's about dhcp3? #bind doesn't appear to be the place, #isc aslo appears wrong anyone know? |
| 07:09.09 | HennaX | screamingbytes: depends on the type of question you have |
| 07:10.20 | screamingbytes | im using the option nto-servers 0.debian.pool.ntp.org, 1.debian.pool.ntp.org; and its failing on that line, pointing at the "d" in 0.debian... stateing "expecting numeric value." |
| 07:11.02 | screamingbytes | I have scouered google for a while and all i can find is that ISC changed dhcp3 to support names starting with numbers in dhcp3, but will not backport |
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| 07:12.09 | HennaX | screamingbytes: i would use <your country's toplevel domain>.pool.ntp.org and the problem is solved |
| 07:12.13 | screamingbytes | their code fix however in what i can come up with was for "fixed-address" options under host segments, so it may not apply. |
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| 07:12.43 | screamingbytes | HennaX: so us.pool.debian.org? |
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| 07:12.50 | HennaX | screamingbytes: yes |
| 07:13.07 | screamingbytes | HennaX: those fail |
| 07:13.17 | screamingbytes | HennaX: I tried earlier |
| 07:13.42 | HennaX | screamingbytes: did you check the website of ntp.org for a proper round robin? |
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| 07:14.37 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: um, looking at man dhcp-options: |
| 07:14.55 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: # option ntp-servers ip-address [, ip-address... ]; |
| 07:15.34 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: apparently you can't use a hostname |
| 07:15.49 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: run ntp on the dhcp server |
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| 07:16.20 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: it's probably closer to the machines than 0.pool.ntp.org is anyway |
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| 07:19.27 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: and it's less strain on the public ntp infrastructure |
| 07:22.23 | simonrvn | @\amethyst++ |
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| 07:22.55 | screamingbytes | \amethyst: i am going to run ntp on the dhcp server but i was going to syncro externally |
| 07:22.59 | simonrvn | i ran a public ntpd for while, with the ntp.org project... it's a lot of bandwidth |
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| 07:23.28 | lamethyst | screamingbytes: have the dhcp server synch off the world, and have the clients synch off the NTP server |
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| 07:24.07 | grendal_prime | wholy shit |
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| 07:24.19 | grendal_prime | i actually got banned from somewhere |
| 07:24.27 | grendal_prime | kinda funny |
| 07:24.30 | simonrvn | ORLY? |
| 07:24.51 | grendal_prime | no no..i got canned..klined...whatever...#python |
| 07:25.02 | grendal_prime | those people have no sence of humur |
| 07:25.13 | simonrvn | ...if you got klined you wouldn't be here still |
| 07:25.18 | nevyn | indeed |
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| 07:25.24 | screamingbytes | lamethyst: kk |
| 07:25.42 | screamingbytes | that makes more sense after you mentioned it anyway |
| 07:25.47 | screamingbytes | ty |
| 07:25.52 | grendal_prime | then i loged in from a diff local..and asked..publicly if i could apologize and ...it was stupid...i didnt even do anything |
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| 07:26.04 | simonrvn | (the bad spelling i won' bother with...) |
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| 07:26.08 | simonrvn | won't* |
| 07:26.22 | simonrvn | grendal_prime: that qualifies as ban evasion |
| 07:26.27 | HennaX | grendal_prime: the problem is that nobody on this channel can do anything about it |
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| 07:26.34 | grendal_prime | i know |
| 07:26.37 | grendal_prime | it was just funny |
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| 07:26.41 | simonrvn | nor do we care |
| 07:26.53 | grendal_prime | well ive never had it happen before |
| 07:27.01 | grendal_prime | it was just funny is all |
| 07:27.32 | grendal_prime | they wernt much help anyway |
| 07:27.38 | grendal_prime | ya...i poped my cherry |
| 07:27.40 | grendal_prime | hahahah |
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| 07:27.47 | grendal_prime | and im 40 this year.. |
| 07:28.09 | HennaX | ok, now lets focus on Debian again, please |
| 07:28.14 | simonrvn | wow, someone older than me |
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| 07:28.46 | screamingbytes | HennaX: kk so whats your opinion as to where the swirl came from? i think its buzz lightyears chin |
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| 07:28.54 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:29.28 | simonrvn | screamingbytes: it's covered on the site |
| 07:29.29 | grendal_prime | sorry HennaX by the way...if i ever say " hey you sound HOT" i mean it as a compliment...dont ban me please hahahah |
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| 07:30.12 | fignew | :rolleyes: |
| 07:30.32 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 07:30.37 | HennaX | heh |
| 07:30.38 | cafuego | grendal_prime: I *MA* hot, I don't just *sound* hot. |
| 07:30.51 | screamingbytes | it was deb related, ot i agree, but related :) |
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| 07:31.13 | simonrvn | cafuego: so says your wife :P |
| 07:31.31 | screamingbytes | i have seen the contest results, but never the artists original inspiration info. iac enough said on that topic. it doesn't belong here. |
| 07:31.59 | grendal_prime | you talking about the debian swirl? |
| 07:32.35 | grendal_prime | i find it interesting its the same symbol of The last Mimsey !! |
| 07:32.46 | grendal_prime | and isnt intel's similar? |
| 07:33.38 | grendal_prime | by the way....im sorry for dragging this out... screamingbytes are you an op? are you going to ban me for continuing down this road? |
| 07:33.39 | ApTek | It's is just a circle with the appearance of having been drawn to highlight the word Intel |
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| 07:34.16 | grendal_prime | ya but the mimsey thing you have to admit... |
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| 07:34.46 | Aloha | how do i get help on how to create tarballs that can use the cdbs package tools? lets say i have some wallpapers i want to make into a package, how do i create a source package to install those wallpapers? anyone got any links? |
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| 07:36.05 | dondelelcaro | Aloha: you don't want to start learning how to packagae using CDBS. |
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| 07:36.15 | moshii | Aloha: use debhelper.. |
| 07:36.17 | \amethyst | !mg |
| 07:36.17 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 07:36.19 | dondelelcaro | Aloha: read the NM guide, and use that as a starting point. |
| 07:36.29 | Aloha | i know how to package, ive created a few |
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| 07:36.37 | screamingbytes | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/336 is one source, but i would trust folks here or the actual deb site before that one, that was just one i used a long time ago |
| 07:36.45 | Aloha | i'm learning cdbs thats my point im learning how to use the installer scripts |
| 07:36.56 | dondelelcaro | there's little point to learn cdbs |
| 07:36.58 | shamrock | According to zabbix my mailserver machine is up and running. but ssh requests just sit there. I can ftp in too. Is there a way to determine why it wont connect using ssh? It did late last night. |
| 07:37.19 | moshii | shamrock: ssh -v host and see what comes out |
| 07:37.29 | Aloha | so how would i create a tarball that has a Makefile to install wallpapers? |
| 07:37.42 | moshii | Aloha: tar |
| 07:38.02 | moshii | or use the options it probably has, debhelper does, to create the original tar |
| 07:38.20 | dondelelcaro | Aloha: you don't even need a makefile to install such a thing. |
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| 07:38.35 | shamrock | moshii: keys exchanged and appeted then comes to this line " SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received" and then sits there doing nothing in the terminal. |
| 07:38.37 | Aloha | dondelelcaro, i want to make a binary package |
| 07:38.40 | dondelelcaro | Aloha: the rules file is going to be just a bunch of $(INSTAL) (or cp'ing) in the install target of the rules. |
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| 07:38.56 | dondelelcaro | s/L/LL/ |
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| 07:39.15 | Aloha | dondelelcaro, gotcha |
| 07:39.29 | moshii | shamrock: next should be something like this debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey |
| 07:39.42 | moshii | shamrock: maybe your authentication methods are broked |
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| 07:39.53 | Aloha | dondelelcaro, thnx |
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| 07:40.17 | Aloha | what if i want to step it up to something more complex, like installing gtk theme files or the like? |
| 07:40.37 | Aloha | would i still just do $(INSTALL)? |
| 07:41.12 | dondelelcaro | Aloha: yes. |
| 07:41.20 | shamrock | moshii: could you explain what you mean please. What is broken? |
| 07:41.25 | dondelelcaro | just installing files from a directory isn't particularly complex. |
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| 07:41.51 | moshii | shamrock: the next thing the sshd should do is offer up some way to authenticate |
| 07:42.22 | shamrock | moshii: is there anyother way in without auto key exchange? |
| 07:42.44 | moshii | shamrock: are you using publickeys? |
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| 07:43.02 | Aloha | dondelelcaro, thnx again.. i asking because im making an local linux groups advocacy package with local themed wallpapers and themes, icons, etc |
| 07:43.14 | shamrock | moshii: yes. |
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| 07:44.48 | Robin | Hello, what is the easyest or best way to run a Application Server in linux?? |
| 07:45.11 | moshii | shamrock: you should get offered to authenticate with publickeys and then do a key exchange... have you tried restarting the sshd for a start? |
| 07:45.31 | moshii | Robin: what type of applications, what target platform.. |
| 07:45.39 | shamrock | moshii: its hard to restart when its a hedless server. I just rebooted it and must wait a while :-; |
| 07:46.32 | Robin | moshii, Well, its for a Linux system. And the kind of applications are "OpenOffice, Thunderbird and Firefox" |
| 07:46.56 | shamrock | Robin: so you mean a normal dekstop? |
| 07:47.19 | Robin | shamrock, yea its for a couple of normal X11 (xfce4) desktops |
| 07:47.20 | moshii | Robin: you want to serve the binaries or you want to actually run them on a central box? |
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| 07:47.45 | Robin | moshii, I dont really care |
| 07:48.00 | Robin | at long as its Stable and Quick |
| 07:48.19 | kgoetz | ltsp is good |
| 07:48.25 | moshii | is there any reason not to just install them applications on the machines directly? |
| 07:48.29 | kgoetz | or just individual apps? |
| 07:48.35 | snogglethorpe | Anyone know if qemu has known problems with current debian kernels / init scripts? |
| 07:48.50 | Robin | moshii, yea, since we want to save memory] |
| 07:48.51 | snogglethorpe | when I try to boot an image made using qemu-make-debian-root |
| 07:48.55 | _sime | hi |
| 07:48.56 | moshii | snogglethorpe: check the bts |
| 07:49.09 | Robin | moshii, We have Money for one big pc and about 200 small once |
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| 07:49.26 | moshii | Robin: how small ;) |
| 07:49.33 | kgoetz | and how big ;) |
| 07:49.44 | _sime | is this an help channel? |
| 07:49.52 | kgoetz | _sime: a debian help yes |
| 07:49.54 | kgoetz | s/a/ for |
| 07:49.56 | Robin | The Server PC is about 7Ghz and 4RAM |
| 07:49.58 | moshii | 200 clients all running oo on the same machine won't be nice imho |
| 07:50.16 | kgoetz | 7gh/:o |
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| 07:50.28 | kgoetz | moshii: agree |
| 07:50.31 | Robin | The small Clients are about 400Mhz and 256RAM. and they dont login at the same time |
| 07:50.35 | moshii | they can overclock that high? |
| 07:50.42 | _sime | i need help setting the right mtu |
| 07:50.49 | Robin | The max pcs logged in at the same time are about 20~30 |
| 07:51.06 | kgoetz | Robin: do LTSP |
| 07:51.16 | Robin | LTSP, take a look at it ;) |
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| 07:51.22 | grendal_prime | you know mabe i need to drink more alcohol..but the more i think about that ban thing the more it makes me mad |
| 07:51.40 | kgoetz | as for 7ghz... *rofl*. 20 clients on a 3ghz p4 is good, and thats a relatively old server now |
| 07:51.54 | kgoetz | grendal_prime: pardon? |
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| 07:52.16 | Robin | I am going to take a look at LTSP (Linux TerminalS erver Project?) |
| 07:52.23 | moshii | kgoetz: I didn't know anyone was producing anything that could clock that high ;) |
| 07:52.26 | sco50000 | arjuna: probably just a whole bunch of extra packages |
| 07:52.31 | grendal_prime | nevermind...disregard...if i said anything about where to burry the bodys...that was a joke...ummm ya |
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| 07:52.53 | _sime | you know any channel dedicated to networks? |
| 07:53.02 | kgoetz | moshii: neither :) |
| 07:53.11 | kgoetz | Robin: yes, thats my suggestion |
| 07:53.14 | kgoetz | _sime: ##networking |
| 07:53.23 | screamingbytes | ltsp is fantastic |
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| 07:53.36 | _sime | thx! |
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| 07:53.44 | doobeydoo | what does Kaleidoscope mean in the context Object-Oriented Programming in C++ (4th Edition) (Kaleidoscope) (Paperback) |
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| 07:54.10 | kgoetz | doobeydoo: that might be a ##C++ question |
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| 07:54.27 | doobeydoo | no its a amazon.com question |
| 07:54.35 | snogglethorpe | moshii: i looked, but there's no obvious entry |
| 07:54.38 | screamingbytes | we turned a bunch of old hardware into diskless box's and purchased a few and used ltsp, it solved our issue |
| 07:54.46 | screamingbytes | moshii: :) agreed |
| 07:55.04 | Robin | kgoetz, THANKS ;) |
| 07:55.09 | kgoetz | screamingbytes: apart from the 'solved problems'[, snap ;) |
| 07:55.19 | screamingbytes | hehe |
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| 07:55.22 | kgoetz | Robin: heh. np. i like it, so i'm going to pimp it ;) |
| 07:55.28 | moshii | snogglethorpe: just because people here might know, doesn't a good reason to ask here IMHO |
| 07:55.38 | kgoetz | screamingbytes: we had to bujy some old P4s and PXE boot before it solved problems, then it did it in stype ;) |
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| 07:55.42 | kgoetz | *style |
| 07:55.49 | Robin | kgoetz, Like how? |
| 07:56.01 | kgoetz | Robin: how to pxe boot? |
| 07:56.06 | snogglethorpe | moshii: surely this channel is for discussing debian-related problems, no? |
| 07:56.50 | moshii | snogglethorpe: aah, sorry, that was a brain missing moment, that was for doobeydoo |
| 07:57.05 | snogglethorpe | moshii: oh, ok... :-) |
| 07:57.13 | snogglethorpe | moshii: I was a bit mystified for a moment... |
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| 07:57.20 | Robin | kgoetz, What? pce? |
| 07:57.21 | Robin | pxe |
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| 07:57.41 | kgoetz | Robin: i wasnt sure what you were asking 'like how' about - ltsp/pxe/other? |
| 07:58.15 | Robin | kgoetz, I have no idea what pxe is. at this point Ive dont with with ssh -X.. But thats kinda unstable I noticed. |
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| 07:58.52 | kgoetz | Robin: ah right. its effectivly booting the system directly from the bios over the network. all apps then run on the central server (although iirc ltsp5 lets you run some stuff on server+client) |
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| 08:00.51 | Robin | kgoetz, Yea, I have heard about that. BUt well I am rather new to Linux Servers etc |
| 08:01.24 | Robin | kgoetz, Let me take a look at this. And then I might be able to get a better working System |
| 08:01.32 | kgoetz | !ltsp |
| 08:01.32 | dpkg | ltsp is, like, the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org |
| 08:01.37 | kgoetz | hm. useless |
| 08:02.01 | tarzeau | simonrvn: what/where? |
| 08:02.03 | kgoetz | Robin: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP |
| 08:02.06 | Robin | kgoetz, How Secure is this? (Sniffer Secure etc?) |
| 08:02.11 | kgoetz | theres a few links to set you on your way |
| 08:02.15 | Robin | kgoetz, Thanks |
| 08:02.19 | Robin | Ill read everything today |
| 08:02.21 | kgoetz | Robin: it should run over SSH |
| 08:02.21 | Robin | ^^ |
| 08:02.33 | Robin | kgoetz, So its ClearText on it own? |
| 08:02.36 | kgoetz | so there wshould be one socket open, which is encrypted, and point to point client/server |
| 08:02.51 | kgoetz | Robin: i think it defaults to running over ssh |
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| 08:03.20 | Robin | kgoetz, Ah, well Ill just read everything today :) and Ill think I know then. |
| 08:03.22 | Robin | heh cheers |
| 08:03.45 | kgoetz | Robin: no worries, good luck with it :) |
| 08:04.08 | Robin | kgoetz, Thanks Ill need that. Since I have a Reading Disabilaty |
| 08:04.32 | kgoetz | Robin: bugger. sorry to hear :( |
| 08:04.46 | snogglethorpe | anyway, if I specify "root=/dev/hda1", it boots as far as fscking the root filesystem, which succeeds, an dthen it starts getting "hda: dma_timer expiry: ..." errors, and never recovers |
| 08:05.09 | snogglethorpe | specifying "ida=nodma" doesn't seem to change anything (still gets dma errors) |
| 08:05.13 | kgoetz | snogglethorpe: i'd worry about the hdds health, or the mobos health |
| 08:05.27 | snogglethorpe | kgoetz: it's a virtual disk, so no worries on that front :-) |
| 08:05.33 | snogglethorpe | kgoetz: i'm trying to use qemu |
| 08:05.36 | Robin | kgoetz, But I have a IT gift.. Its so freaking weird. I stared with C++ really yough. And I am doing a year four exam when i am a new at school ;) |
| 08:05.43 | Robin | kgoetz, So, its kinda fair :P |
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| 08:06.39 | kgoetz | Robin: long as your happy with the situation :) |
| 08:06.52 | kgoetz | snogglethorpe: *shrug* :/ does qemu have any dma options? |
| 08:07.02 | snogglethorpe | kgoetz: not that I can see |
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| 08:07.48 | Robin | kgoetz, Yea I am ^^. id prefer that I didnt have that but still. Now I just have to learn a extra 2 years to get in Uni. Anyhow, is there a way to emulate this system? Since I kinda think (after reading the first thing) that I cant :/ |
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| 08:08.10 | snogglethorpe | kgoetz: (though I'm wondering if perhaps the linux ide boot options have changed recently...) |
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| 08:08.26 | kgoetz | snogglethorpe: no idea |
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| 08:09.07 | kgoetz | Robin: no, unfortunately not. the server is relatively easy to setup, and can be any system. do you have a test network you can play on, or is it just live? |
| 08:09.28 | kgoetz | any P4+ and eqivilant AMD should be able to boot the server once it has a few things installed,a nd dhcp is setup correctly |
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| 08:10.41 | Robin | kgoetz, Its just live. :/ Ah well ill just run it in SSH on this system. and when everybody is offwork Ill play/learn with this. Then when everybody comes back the system has changed but they didnt notice ;) And I'll have my days off after that ;_ |
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| 08:11.10 | kgoetz | :) |
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| 08:12.07 | kgoetz | Robin: you should be able to run ltsp and the existing setup side by side |
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| 08:12.36 | Robin | kgoetz, Nope. Since this system is extremly unstable. If it works. I dont want to touch it anymore ;) |
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| 08:12.56 | dn4 | wget http://download85.mediafire.com/y3lzn29vrr2g/fzdznvbnlwu/SECRETOX.rar <-- will this work so that I can download ANON documents that the Church of Scientology does not want me to see? |
| 08:12.57 | _sime | . |
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| 08:13.07 | kgoetz | Robin: fair enough :) just warning you that you may need to give yourself extra time for a change this large |
| 08:13.27 | kgoetz | dn4: we know that why? |
| 08:13.33 | Robin | kgoetz, a week isnt enough? |
| 08:13.46 | kgoetz | Robin: oh, a week should be yeah. missed that :) |
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| 08:14.36 | Robin | kgoetz, heh, well a week working on in the Time Off-Period thats 1.5 times pay. And then ill ask the days back the week after it. So, I kinda win Twice ;) |
| 08:14.52 | gynterk | where I can see why my VLC crashes ? |
| 08:15.09 | kgoetz | Robin: half your luck. my LTSP work was done as a volunteer |
| 08:15.20 | grendal_prime | screw this..im going to bed.. |
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| 08:15.30 | kgoetz | gynterk: firstly run it in a terminal and see if it outputs errors. then run it in gdb for more info |
| 08:15.36 | Robin | kgoetz, heh, well I am the only IT guy in this Company ;) |
| 08:15.52 | giwe | I know that I can chmod g+rw a folder to make it rw for a given group. How can I make sure that any new folder or file created by a user in that group gets g+rw permission so that everybody can rw? |
| 08:15.54 | Robin | kgoetz, So, if I say "screw it I am going home" there system collapse ; |
| 08:15.58 | kgoetz | Robin: i'm The IT guy for my volunteer org(s) :) |
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| 08:16.21 | dondelelcaro | (and even if you have, you can just use cruft to figure out what those bits are and remove them) |
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| 08:16.27 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
| 08:16.27 | kgoetz | brb. getting more drinks, and letting the dogs in |
| 08:16.41 | kgoetz | cruft seems a little overly keen (looking in /tmp for example) |
| 08:17.28 | grendal_prime | knight all...keep you knives sharp..the enemy is right there and out of bullets..they will be comming in with sharp teeth and claws and they will fight with the force of desperation. |
| 08:17.31 | baloo | dondelelcaro: fchan |
| 08:17.48 | gynterk | thanks kgoetz |
| 08:17.52 | gynterk | terminal gives me http://pastebin.com/m6cb06e5e |
| 08:17.56 | gynterk | runs fine |
| 08:18.05 | gynterk | but crashes when I open/play somethings |
| 08:18.10 | gynterk | -s |
| 08:18.34 | kgoetz | gynterk: while its still runnign there try and play stuff . does it stil crash? |
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| 08:19.03 | gynterk | yes |
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| 08:19.17 | gynterk | its debian lenny |
| 08:19.32 | gynterk | and xfce |
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| 08:21.02 | enuke | hi all |
| 08:21.03 | kgoetz | gynterk: do you get any output after itcrashes? |
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| 08:21.42 | gynterk | thats the output |
| 08:21.46 | enuke | i need mysql hendbook for dummies pdf :) |
| 08:21.47 | gynterk | what i pasted |
| 08:21.47 | gynterk | in pastebin |
| 08:21.53 | enuke | handbook |
| 08:22.08 | gynterk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:22.30 | gynterk | google gives me lots of threads about it, but no solution |
| 08:22.32 | kgoetz | enuke: tried #mysql? |
| 08:22.38 | enuke | hmm |
| 08:22.52 | gynterk | totem and mplayer crashes also |
| 08:23.33 | kgoetz | gynterk: check the BTS about it, theres probably a bug against xorg |
| 08:23.45 | _sime | where do i put my script iptable to get is started when the net goes on |
| 08:23.56 | kgoetz | _sime: /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
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| 08:29.00 | alinux-lb22 | hi all all my emails are sent from localhost.localdoman how can I set it to send from my domain ? |
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| 08:29.32 | Robin | alinux-lb22, What mailserver? |
| 08:29.46 | alinux-lb22 | Robin..sorry exim |
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| 08:30.14 | Robin | alinux-lb22, Check the config files. Since I havnt ever worked with exim., But I can tell you how to do it with exim+nc |
| 08:30.46 | Robin | alinux-lb22, Do: nc <MAILSERVER> 25 then HELO me.localhost |
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| 08:31.03 | Robin | then you execute MAIL FROM: name@whatever.com |
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| 08:31.14 | Robin | then RCPT TO: me@hotmail.com |
| 08:31.15 | Robin | DATA |
| 08:31.21 | Robin | then you type your email |
| 08:31.23 | Robin | and done :) |
| 08:31.45 | alinux-lb22 | hehe..well that wont work for my users ..:p..but thanks for the info |
| 08:31.54 | alinux-lb22 | I think I will double check the config files |
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| 08:32.07 | Robin | alinux-lb22, Heh, sorry then :) |
| 08:32.47 | joltcan | alinux-lb22: I think it takes whatever is in /etc/mailname as default |
| 08:33.18 | alinux-lb22 | what is the SPF record used for ? |
| 08:33.43 | Robin | alinux-lb22, What Id do is just send them all a .txt file with the how to send email with telnet documents ;) |
| 08:34.13 | alinux-lb22 | I have two mail servers on my domain the server we use usually and another server in another location ..I dont want the emails in the second domain to be listed as spam in yahoo and hotmail what actions should I take ? |
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| 08:34.27 | alinux-lb22 | Robin I think they might shoot me :p |
| 08:34.34 | Robin | alinux-lb22, Ah, american |
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| 08:35.16 | kgoetz | alinux-lb22: start with /etc/mailname (re your question earlier) |
| 08:35.33 | kgoetz | and run dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low exim4-config to setup the basic options |
| 08:35.59 | Robin | kgoetz, Dont you agree on my idea to learn all the users to send email by telnet ;)? |
| 08:36.34 | kgoetz | Robin: i think UUCP would be preferable ;) |
| 08:37.36 | Nyle | 1 hour until sp2 is downloaded fully |
| 08:37.56 | simonrvn | if i cat a cd that's inserted into the machine to a file, what format is that file in? |
| 08:37.58 | Nyle | maybe oblivion will run faster then |
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| 08:38.08 | simonrvn | is it iso9660, raw, what? |
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| 08:38.24 | kgoetz | simonrvn: text probably, if cat manages to process teh whole thing |
| 08:38.47 | Mazingaro | Joy to you friends... Peace and tranquillity... |
| 08:38.56 | simonrvn | why do you say text? it's a binary source |
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| 08:39.54 | kgoetz | simonrvn: because i'm fairly sure cat doesnt understand binary |
| 08:40.17 | simonrvn | catv -v you /boot/vmlinuz for fun ;) |
| 08:40.23 | simonrvn | woops, cat -v* |
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| 08:40.36 | simonrvn | (i.e., i don't think it cares ;) |
| 08:40.55 | simonrvn | i've made up floppies with cat before, that's why i'm asking |
| 08:41.16 | kgoetz | simonrvn: interesting |
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| 08:41.32 | dn4 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KZWoGX1cb8 <--- How do I watch this? |
| 08:41.34 | simonrvn | cat -v so you don't fuck up your terminal |
| 08:41.40 | Nyle | dn4: install flash |
| 08:41.45 | Nyle | !flash |
| 08:41.45 | dpkg | somebody said flash was frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 08:41.52 | dn4 | ohhh that is what flash is for |
| 08:41.57 | gynterkk | hmm |
| 08:42.00 | simonrvn | dn4: with a browser wit flash, or install youtube-dl and use mplayer |
| 08:42.00 | Nyle | dn4: that is correct |
| 08:42.05 | Nyle | dn4: but.. you don't have to have it |
| 08:42.07 | simonrvn | with* |
| 08:42.10 | gynterkk | this error came when I upgraded my etch to lenny |
| 08:42.12 | gynterkk | damn |
| 08:42.14 | dn4 | thx |
| 08:42.14 | Nyle | dn4: you can do... that which simonrvn beat me to |
| 08:42.17 | Nyle | damn it |
| 08:42.18 | gynterkk | now I can't watch vídeos |
| 08:42.29 | kgoetz | gynterkk: iirc vlc isnt in lenny |
| 08:42.34 | kgoetz | or its broken at least |
| 08:42.35 | kgoetz | !vlc |
| 08:42.35 | dpkg | [vlc] the VideoLAN media player, which can also broadcast. It can also be used standalone as a normal MPEG2/DVD player. Available in stable and unstable. Upstream homepage: http://www.videolan.org |
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| 08:42.45 | kgoetz | useless again :\ |
| 08:42.51 | simonrvn | dn4: e.g. of use: youtube-dl 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KZWoGX1cb8' |
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| 08:42.54 | Nyle | !info vlc lenny |
| 08:43.02 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player and streamer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.6.c-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 1114 kB, Installed size: 3064 kB |
| 08:43.05 | gynterkk | kgoetz, it is |
| 08:43.09 | dn4 | what is youtube-dl ? |
| 08:43.11 | gynterkk | other players give same error |
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| 08:43.13 | gynterkk | like codeine |
| 08:43.13 | dn4 | it downloads the vids? |
| 08:43.15 | gynterkk | and xfmedia |
| 08:43.16 | Nyle | !info youtube-dl |
| 08:43.22 | gynterkk | !info codeine |
| 08:43.22 | dpkg | youtube-dl: (download videos from youtube.com), section web, is extra. Version: 2007.10.09-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 08:43.24 | dpkg | codeine: (Simple KDE video player), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-3.dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 172 kB, Installed size: 584 kB |
| 08:43.33 | simonrvn | dn4: yes. might not be in etch |
| 08:43.45 | Nyle | but it is easily backported |
| 08:43.59 | Nyle | simonrvn: is it a script or a binary? |
| 08:44.02 | simonrvn | no doubt, i think it's a perl script ;) |
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| 08:44.06 | simonrvn | lemme see |
| 08:44.29 | simonrvn | actually you check, i had to reinstall a little while ago and don't have it installed |
| 08:44.34 | Nyle | eh |
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| 08:44.43 | Nyle | making me go out of screen |
| 08:44.44 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 08:45.09 | simonrvn | it's an all.deb so no backporting needed |
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| 08:45.21 | simonrvn | (except maybe to fix deps) |
| 08:45.29 | Nyle | #!/usr/bin/env python |
| 08:45.33 | Nyle | python script? |
| 08:45.42 | simonrvn | yeh, python. only dep ;) |
| 08:46.21 | dn4 | Extracting URL "t" parameter... failed. |
| 08:46.21 | dn4 | Error: unable to extract URL "t" parameter. |
| 08:46.26 | simonrvn | oh it is in etch, but there's a bug on it, "version in etch is useless" |
| 08:46.35 | simonrvn | use lenny's |
| 08:46.56 | Aloha | what debhelper unpacks directory /usr/bin and /usr/sbin with nothing in it? |
| 08:46.58 | simonrvn | (aptitude install apt-listchanges apt-listbugs) |
| 08:47.33 | simonrvn | Aloha: that comes with base-files... you don't need to create them seperately |
| 08:47.46 | kgoetz | Aloha: i dont think anything creates them empty |
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| 08:48.16 | simonrvn | they're created during installation... |
| 08:48.23 | Nyle | hm |
| 08:48.23 | Aloha | simonrvn, base-files? there are only images in my package, how can i make it not put those in the package? |
| 08:48.26 | dn4 | hmm youtube-dl not working :( |
| 08:48.34 | Nyle | few things that could be done better with this script |
| 08:48.40 | GhostlyDeath | what is that command to change users again? chmod? |
| 08:48.43 | Nyle | I'm no python expert but still |
| 08:48.48 | simonrvn | Aloha: don't install anything into there |
| 08:48.52 | kgoetz | GhostlyDeath: change them how? |
| 08:48.55 | Aloha | GhostlyDeath, su |
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| 08:49.02 | GhostlyDeath | change owner and group |
| 08:49.03 | simonrvn | dn4: get lenny's (second time i said this) |
| 08:49.13 | GhostlyDeath | oh chown |
| 08:49.16 | Aloha | simonrvn, base-files? |
| 08:49.22 | kgoetz | GhostlyDeath: chown and chgrp |
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| 08:49.52 | simonrvn | ...no, in your debian/ dir... something you did is making dh_whatever create them in your .debs |
| 08:49.58 | Robin | stupid question -> High NiceLevel was Nice for system but not nice for program right? (I want to Trottle the Program so It has to run Quicker.. thats..?) |
| 08:50.19 | simonrvn | - favours process + favours system |
| 08:50.25 | dn4 | wait you want me to upgrade to lenny ? |
| 08:50.31 | Nyle | dn4: http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/youtube-dl |
| 08:50.34 | Aloha | simonrvn, yeah i know, do you have any idea what it could be? |
| 08:50.35 | Nyle | this is the python script |
| 08:50.40 | simonrvn | dn4: no. manually fetch lenny's version |
| 08:50.47 | simonrvn | Aloha: no, why would i? |
| 08:51.23 | Aloha | simonrvn, i don't know its a stock rules file |
| 08:51.37 | simonrvn | what other files are in debian/ ? |
| 08:51.42 | simonrvn | check those |
| 08:52.03 | simonrvn | (other than the obvious changelog, control,...) |
| 08:52.07 | Nyle | btw |
| 08:52.11 | Nyle | I was looking over the script |
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| 08:52.17 | simonrvn | mm? |
| 08:52.21 | Nyle | I would easily add another command line option |
| 08:52.23 | Aloha | simonrvn, i greped them but nothing has those paths in them, thats why i'm asking here |
| 08:52.39 | Nyle | maybe to launch mplayer with the path to the saved .flv |
| 08:52.55 | Nyle | or to make it do it automatically |
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| 08:53.01 | faber4 | hi everydboy |
| 08:53.01 | Nyle | or maybe I'm just a lazy pothead |
| 08:53.05 | simonrvn | Aloha: so when you do dpkg -c that.deb you see some sbin/ or bin/ paths? |
| 08:53.19 | simonrvn | Nyle: so file a bug on it and make a patch |
| 08:53.20 | faber4 | i am trying to "mount -o loop" and it says "could not find device /dev/loop". what am i missing? |
| 08:53.22 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 08:53.36 | simonrvn | bbiab, afk |
| 08:53.43 | Aloha | simonrvn, yes |
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| 08:56.16 | jerome | hum. Where is the dselect selection stored when using "dpkg --set-selections <somefileproducedwithgetselections" ? |
| 08:56.23 | faber4 | how to i get a /dev/loop on my debian system? |
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| 08:56.54 | jerome | or even, how would I clear this selections list ? |
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| 08:59.16 | alinux-lb22 | hey guys I setup my exim server to send emails out using @mydomain.com however the messages tha are bouncing are freezing in the queue and not delivered to the local user..i.e. if I send a messge from cli using user abc I get a return message abc@yourdomain.com and it freezes in the queue..how can I make sure the bounce messages are delivered to the local users ? |
| 08:59.28 | k1ckn1ck | hi, just wondering is there any way to view a list of all applications programs currently installed using either apt-get or aptitude |
| 09:01.21 | SlayerXP | k1ckn1ck: dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 09:01.23 | gynterk | k1ckn1ck, dpkg -l |
| 09:01.26 | gynterk | bah |
| 09:01.28 | gynterk | :D |
| 09:01.48 | k1ckn1ck | thank ypu |
| 09:01.49 | k1ckn1ck | you* |
| 09:02.39 | faber4 | alinux-lb22: exim is not that easy to configure. i suggest asking in #exim and try to wake somebody. |
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| 09:03.02 | alinux-lb22 | faber4, yeah #exim is in sleeping mood :( |
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| 09:04.34 | faber4 | most of the exim people share their knowledge for money only |
| 09:05.16 | moshii | alinux-lb22: how did you configure exim? |
| 09:05.35 | moshii | faber4: he can probably work out where his configuration is broken from the exim log... |
| 09:05.37 | alinux-lb22 | moshii, manually |
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| 09:06.10 | moshii | alinux-lb22: ok, and you have checked the log for errors.. ie the one where it says it cant route the mail |
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| 09:06.24 | alinux-lb22 | moshii, User 0 set for local_delivery transport is on the never_users list |
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| 09:06.44 | GhostlyDeath | !damn X |
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| 09:07.23 | faber4 | i did a "modprobe loop" to get "mount -o loop" working. now it still misses /dev/loop. can i create /dev/loop somehow? |
| 09:07.27 | moshii | alinux-lb22: google for that error gave this ..http://www.eth0.us/never-users |
| 09:07.57 | moshii | alinux-lb22: third link down is a link to the exim faq |
| 09:08.18 | moshii | alinux-lb22: http://exim.netmirror.org/exim-html-4.40/doc/html/FAQ_5.html |
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| 09:09.40 | GhostlyDeath | How do I uninstall somethign I installed in WINE? |
| 09:10.25 | alinux-lb22 | moshii, thanks will check that out |
| 09:10.26 | Aciid | GhostlyDeath: wine the uninstaller exe? |
| 09:10.44 | GhostlyDeath | I installed DirectX 9.0c |
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| 09:11.52 | moshii | alinux-lb22: people in channels like this generally expect you to have exhusted basic stuff like google before you ask questions ;) |
| 09:12.22 | Robin | moshii, Unless its a Stupid Question ;) |
| 09:12.56 | Robin | like, moshii can you tell me what the hell the /home folder is? I cant be botherd to google |
| 09:13.03 | Robin | heh, I do know what it is ;) |
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| 09:14.16 | moshii | Robin: I guess that most problems you can experience, someone else already had, thus it'll be on google |
| 09:14.29 | Robin | moshii, Thats true |
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| 09:14.46 | Robin | moshii, thats why HelpDesk work is so easy.. |
| 09:16.13 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a better X available? |
| 09:16.18 | simonrvn | Aloha: how odd. check your rules file maybe...? |
| 09:16.21 | GhostlyDeath | one that does not crash? |
| 09:16.39 | Aloha | simonrvn, someone said its because i used dh_make |
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| 09:16.55 | moshii | GhostlyDeath: what's your real problem? error messages etc |
| 09:17.10 | simonrvn | Aloha: yeh, makes sense |
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| 09:17.56 | GhostlyDeath | moshii: I try to play starcraft then kaboom a login screen |
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| 09:19.12 | simonrvn | you often have to do clean up if you use dh_make... |
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| 09:21.02 | moshii | GhostlyDeath: via wine or something |
| 09:21.27 | GhostlyDeath | moshii: You will have to repeat that sorry |
| 09:21.55 | gynterk | kgoetz, it's compiz-fusion problem |
| 09:22.07 | gynterk | that video player crash |
| 09:22.27 | kgoetz | gynterk: wish i could be suppried :) |
| 09:22.31 | moshii | GhostlyDeath: is starcraft a native application or is it via wine or something? |
| 09:22.32 | gynterk | :D |
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| 09:22.50 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: starcrapt is NOFP |
| 09:22.53 | GhostlyDeath | moshii: starcraft is a native windows app |
| 09:23.02 | GhostlyDeath | NOFP? |
| 09:23.07 | DawnLight | hello. is it recommended to install Trac from source or the debian package? |
| 09:23.08 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 09:23.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nofp is Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 09:23.18 | Guerin | dpkg: always use the debian package |
| 09:23.18 | moshii | GhostlyDeath: so how do you run in in debian? that's the question |
| 09:23.24 | GhostlyDeath | moshii: WINE |
| 09:23.24 | Guerin | never use source from upstream |
| 09:23.36 | Guerin | DawnLight: ↑ |
| 09:23.56 | DawnLight | Guerin: never say never |
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| 09:24.49 | DawnLight | Guerin: thanks |
| 09:25.00 | Guerin | DawnLight: trac does look awesome though |
| 09:25.17 | DawnLight | :D |
| 09:25.23 | Guerin | DawnLight: and the bloke who makes it wrote a badass bittorrent client |
| 09:25.38 | DawnLight | Guerin: what's it called? |
| 09:25.44 | Guerin | DawnLight: rtorrent |
| 09:25.55 | DawnLight | ah... right |
| 09:26.02 | erpo | rtorrent is awesome. |
| 09:26.33 | Guerin | accept no substitutes |
| 09:26.37 | moshii | GhostlyDeath: I'm guessing wine is causing your crash |
| 09:26.50 | Guerin | moshii: nope. Starcraft is. |
| 09:26.50 | GhostlyDeath | moshii: yes |
| 09:27.16 | DawnLight | #winehq |
| 09:27.34 | moshii | GhostlyDeath: wine running starcraft then.. |
| 09:27.35 | Guerin | i recommend #ifyouwanttoplaycrappygamesinstallwindowsyoutool |
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| 09:27.53 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: I have windows installed, It's called Vista and it's pretty nice actually |
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| 09:27.57 | moshii | GhostlyDeath: run it in a vm or something, wine isn't perfect, and it's no ones fault |
| 09:28.02 | Guerin | but I don't much care as long as it ain't #debian |
| 09:28.17 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: so why are you telling us? |
| 09:28.27 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: you seem to care |
| 09:28.40 | DawnLight | he is a caring person |
| 09:28.43 | erpo | GhostlyDeath: Starcraft is supposed to work well under wine. |
| 09:28.53 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: don't mistake confusion at your manifest stupidity for caring. |
| 09:29.08 | DawnLight | don't deny Guerin... |
| 09:29.11 | GhostlyDeath | erpo: it always worked for me on my old PC, don't know what happened heh |
| 09:29.17 | erpo | GhostlyDeath: You can tell if it's just your install that's having a problem by checking appdb.winehq.org |
| 09:31.27 | erpo | GhostlyDeath: And: when in doubt, crack the executable. |
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| 09:35.20 | dererk | good |
| 09:35.21 | erpo | Why is it that netsplits still happen? This problem is so old. |
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| 09:35.39 | dererk | erpo, because the nature of distributed servers itself |
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| 09:48.56 | heiner | Hello, is there a tool for removing unnecessary debian packages? I'm searching for a graphical tool showing the size packages use e.g. in percentages, pie diagrams etc. |
| 09:49.09 | SlayerXP | heiner: deborphan |
| 09:49.22 | simonrvn | dpigs; deborphan; |
| 09:49.22 | heiner | I use that, but it's not graphical |
| 09:49.44 | streuner | !ds |
| 09:49.44 | dpkg | ds was a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds or just use this "dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} t${Package} t${Status} n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less" |
| 09:50.11 | heiner | I used to have a program for Windows called "treesize", showing the disk usage in nice graphical ways. I'd like to have something similar for the installed packages |
| 09:50.38 | simonrvn | heiner: filelight |
| 09:50.48 | streuner | !info filelight |
| 09:50.50 | dpkg | filelight: (show where your diskspace is being used), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 139 kB, Installed size: 388 kB |
| 09:51.04 | simonrvn | that doesn't do packages ... you'll have to figure that out for yourself |
| 09:51.14 | streuner | heiner: ds would do that |
| 09:51.19 | heiner | simonrvn: that looks right. If it displayed package usage that would be ok |
| 09:51.36 | streuner | heiner: thats all via shell |
| 09:52.04 | simonrvn | it doesn't... like i said |
| 09:52.22 | streuner | shouldnt be too hard to just write a little app (GTK) which has ds |
| 09:52.28 | simonrvn | use dpigs or deborphan |
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| 09:53.10 | kgoetz | simonrvn: hes probably a manager |
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| 09:53.28 | heiner | kgoetz: hey, nobody has ever assumed that from me :-) |
| 09:53.49 | heiner | I'm asking for a colleague |
| 09:54.06 | simonrvn | you should be used to seeing text output then ;). ah |
| 09:54.17 | heiner | The command line using "dpkg-query" helps, too |
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| 09:55.02 | heiner | simonrvn: what's "dpigs"? I could not find a package of that name |
| 09:55.15 | simonrvn | it's in debian-goodies |
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| 09:55.29 | troubled | "when dpigs fly!" |
| 09:55.36 | troubled | morni ;) |
| 09:55.36 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:55.41 | simonrvn | hi |
| 09:55.48 | H2S04 | Guten morgen! |
| 09:55.51 | H2S04 | hello! :D |
| 09:55.51 | heiner | "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine" -- RFC 1925 |
| 09:56.05 | Guerin | more bOOOST |
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| 10:05.32 | troubled | Guerin: what OS is your motorbike using though? |
| 10:05.50 | Guerin | troubled: GNU/physics |
| 10:05.58 | troubled | :) |
| 10:06.03 | kgoetz | hehe |
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| 10:20.23 | simonrvn | good ol' dd |
| 10:20.36 | Hoxzer | :) |
| 10:21.20 | Guerin | http://www.badscience.net/?p=316 # heh |
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| 11:01.59 | ralfgr | hi! I've a question regarding the proper way to expand an filesystem. |
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| 11:02.39 | ralfgr | until now I used lvm for this and added the new disks/partitions. after that I used xfs_growfs to expand the fs. |
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| 11:03.24 | sdiz | ralfgr: how is this inproper? |
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| 11:03.45 | ralfgr | we got a new raid device which is able to expand the "logical drives" (LUNs) |
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| 11:04.19 | ralfgr | so I can just add +500 GB to LUN 0 (eg. /dev/sde) |
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| 11:04.52 | ralfgr | can I still use xfs_growfs to expand the fs? |
| 11:05.03 | ralfgr | I don |
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| 11:05.43 | ralfgr | I don't create partitions on the disks, I usually create the fs on /dev/sde |
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| 11:07.03 | ralfgr | sdiz: lvm is fine, I'm just thinking in doing it without lvm and use the controllers capabillities |
| 11:07.18 | ralfgr | in = about |
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| 11:08.21 | sdiz | ralfgr: yes, you can use that. |
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| 11:11.43 | ralfgr | ok, I found some references in the web that linux doesn't like if you change the whole disk. partitions would be fine. |
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| 11:16.21 | sdiz | ralfgr: you just have to ask the scsi driver to rescan...... there is a flag under /proc/ ... but i can't find it now |
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| 11:17.22 | ralfgr | you mean something like: |
| 11:17.24 | ralfgr | echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host1/scan |
| 11:17.38 | ralfgr | scsiadd -s 1 0 |
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| 11:17.56 | ralfgr | or hdparm -z ? |
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| 11:19.07 | ralfgr | hdparm -z seems to be right |
| 11:19.22 | ralfgr | I just added 50 GB to the LUN in the controllers GUI. |
| 11:19.32 | ralfgr | then I did a hdparm -z /dev/sde |
| 11:19.50 | ralfgr | fdisk now shows 100 GB instead of 50 GB ;) |
| 11:20.12 | ralfgr | now lets see how xfs_growfs handels this |
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| 11:20.45 | ralfgr | /dev/sde 94G 47G 47G 50% /mnt |
| 11:20.57 | ralfgr | looks pretty straight forwarded |
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| 11:22.29 | ralfgr | so lvm will give me an advantage if I need disk space from an additional raid device |
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| 11:22.41 | ralfgr | hm, I have to think about this |
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| 11:30.44 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 11:46.24 | Trewas | SamuraiDio: there is notify-send in package libnotify-bin |
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| 11:46.54 | SamuraiDio | Trewas, thaks |
| 11:47.11 | Trewas | SamuraiDio: though it works only randomly for me, on several machines... I don't know who to blame |
| 11:47.24 | SamuraiDio | hmm |
| 11:47.26 | SamuraiDio | ok, |
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| 12:23.36 | Christoph_vW | hi, I always get a msg "C compiler can not create executables" - I already installed build-essentials, kernel headers, gcc, g++, binutils and some other stuff |
| 12:23.41 | Christoph_vW | now I am out of ideas |
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| 12:24.22 | Christoph_vW | Debian 4, x86_64, kernel 2.6.18-5 |
| 12:26.02 | kcynice | is there a useful tool can convert rmvb video files to mp4 format? |
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| 12:27.41 | Christoph_vW | ah, I think I found the problem - the app was using -m32 to build I have only x64 libs |
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| 12:43.58 | EbilPhish | !bot |
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| 12:45.08 | harpal | Hey I am trying to setup syslog-ng and I have written configuration file syslog-ng.conf but Its doent loging for perticular application |
| 12:45.20 | harpal | so what could be wrong |
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| 12:55.42 | CK` | hi |
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| 12:57.57 | trone | hi all. I've a problem with auto-detect network hardware (with Debian Etch 4.0_r2 netinst CD) and I need a little help (if someone can). I've a Asus p5k socket 775 ATX FSB1333 P35 and netinstCD don't catch the ethernet device. |
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| 12:59.01 | trone | With a check I've seen that dmesg find eth0:IEEE_1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0) line |
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| 13:02.30 | fireba11 | seems debian got a habbit of making 1394 eth0 .. . |
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| 13:03.33 | Jma | how can i know what program open port on my computer ? |
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| 13:04.41 | Christoph_vW | trone: you will need a newer kernel... |
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| 13:05.13 | bebyhot | Hello my love is MSN beby.hot@ (Reino Unido, Suecia, suiza, Finlandia,Australia,Austria,Dinamarca,francia, Noruega, Portugal, españa) |
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| 13:05.29 | trone | Christoph_vW: newer? I get the last Debian etch... is not enough? |
| 13:05.51 | Christoph_vW | trone: I had to use a >= kernel 2.6.20 on my Xeon system |
| 13:05.54 | xuser | Jma: netstat -pant |
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| 13:07.14 | trone | Christoph_vW: Maybe I got it. kk. don't know how build it (i'm a "normal" user), but at least now I have some idea. Now I go to check |
| 13:07.27 | Christoph_vW | trone: I installed gentoo on this machine, because I wasn't able to get debian working on it |
| 13:08.06 | trone | Christoph_vW: 2.6.18 in this debian version. |
| 13:08.06 | Jma | xuser thank you |
| 13:08.07 | trone | Christoph_vW: I go to look for gentoo |
| 13:08.09 | Christoph_vW | I know |
| 13:08.15 | trone | :D |
| 13:08.24 | Christoph_vW | I have debian running on all other machines |
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| 13:09.12 | Jma | do a desktop pc (laptop) need a famd running on ? |
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| 13:11.28 | trone | Christoph_vW: However, it's weird. I've a Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz that works with a2.6.8-3-686-smp kernel. :-( sic |
| 13:12.23 | Christoph_vW | trone: socket 604? |
| 13:13.06 | trone | Christoph_vW: Uh, don't know how check it. :-( Can be however, it's have atleast 1 year on his shoulder. |
| 13:13.09 | Christoph_vW | I have a socket 775 board with 5000P chipset which isn't supported by this old kernel |
| 13:13.12 | Christoph_vW | 771* |
| 13:13.35 | trone | surely you got the point. thx to help me to understand. |
| 13:14.06 | Christoph_vW | yeah, Xeon 2.8GHz is the old nocona model |
| 13:14.29 | Christoph_vW | this platform is from ~2003 |
| 13:15.22 | trone | Kk, then no Debian to use that ethernet... And if I put another "normal" eth device? (like a realtek?) |
| 13:15.41 | Christoph_vW | trone: that's possible |
| 13:15.57 | Christoph_vW | then you can download a newer kernel from backports |
| 13:16.00 | trone | I could get around the problem, maybe. :--/ |
| 13:16.03 | trone | Exact. |
| 13:16.35 | Christoph_vW | I am using 2.6.22-3 on my other server (debian 4) |
| 13:16.54 | Math^ | when I choose [*] Desktop environment when installing Lenny, it installs Gnome/KDE or something else? |
| 13:16.56 | Christoph_vW | same problem with network (Asus P5B) |
| 13:17.10 | Christoph_vW | but only of the two NICs is working |
| 13:17.29 | Christoph_vW | the PCIe NIC isn't working with the new kernel either |
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| 13:18.05 | Math^ | ok... it installs gnome by default |
| 13:18.19 | trone | Now I look for another distro. With newer kernel |
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| 13:19.05 | Christoph_vW | trone: don't you have a realtek card onboard? |
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| 13:19.15 | Christoph_vW | my P5K Deluxe has |
| 13:19.37 | Christoph_vW | Realtek 8169 + Yukon 88E056 |
| 13:19.40 | trone | no. sadly. |
| 13:19.44 | Christoph_vW | bbl |
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| 13:19.47 | trone | thx |
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| 13:21.17 | Chty | hello |
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| 13:22.17 | Chty | when installing php5-cgi on a debian etch I have : http://pastebin.com/d34a92063 |
| 13:22.22 | Chty | What can I do ? |
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| 13:23.28 | AKUWAMARI | is there any good application to GPS ? |
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| 13:32.58 | Gun_Smoke | AKUWAMARI: I ran across some posts on a sailing forum.. www.sailinganarchy.com |
| 13:33.07 | Gun_Smoke | while back |
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| 13:36.24 | sChaa | hola |
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| 13:36.35 | sebastian^ | good morning folks |
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| 13:39.30 | bopols | my dsl is sloooow! i am thinking that it is my MTU setting. |
| 13:39.39 | bopols | when i ping, i get this: PING dsl-reports.com (66.116.125.106) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 13:39.50 | bopols | 56(82) is too low for an MTU, |
| 13:39.51 | bopols | i have the MTU set at 1464(1492) but somehow 56(82) shows up when i ping. |
| 13:40.57 | justin | bopols: uhh, 56 is the default packet size for ping, not your mtu |
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| 13:41.33 | bopols | hmmm ... but when i ping from my vps, i do get that 1464 1492 pair. |
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| 13:43.39 | bopols | if 56 is a non issue, then the problem lies with my isp. |
| 13:44.01 | bopols | any other things to look at? |
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| 13:45.28 | justin | bopols: http://paste.debian.net/47592 |
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| 13:47.30 | sChaa | miem hola |
| 13:48.07 | sChaa | miem hola |
| 13:48.45 | SlayerXP | sChaa: SCORCHIO |
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| 13:51.48 | smacnay | Was there a change in keys for the Debian repositories? synaptic reports the inability to authenticate any packages. |
| 13:52.00 | smacnay | My keys were up to date last night |
| 13:52.06 | trone | I've just installed a Debian Etch 4.0 r2 netinst... someone can confirm to me that THERE IS NOT lspci? |
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| 13:54.52 | ServerSide | If a day, A new blog platform is comming on the cybernet, what do you would like it does? |
| 13:55.33 | LoonaTick | Hello, I have a debian machine with init running with 99% cpu usage. I tried rebooting the machine, but it doesn't do anything when typing 'reboot'. Anyone have a clue to fix 'init'? |
| 13:57.39 | mbroeker | ServerSide, full xhtml support(own templates, inserting of html tags) , a wysiwyg editor and the possibility to embed flash films easily into blog pages. |
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| 13:58.06 | blairsooley | LoonaTick, kill -9 <proc> - I've never ran anything that has used 99% CPU |
| 13:58.12 | blairsooley | That's crazy. |
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| 13:58.33 | blairsooley | Unless your running on a Pentium II 233MHz, then I can see why.. :P |
| 13:58.40 | LoonaTick | blairsooley: kill -9 1 (the init process has PID 1) doesn't do anything. Probably some protection for idiots like me killing init |
| 13:58.47 | blairsooley | :$ |
| 13:58.56 | LoonaTick | blairsooley: It's a dual xeon 3.2gh |
| 13:59.08 | blairsooley | Then there is no reason for it to be at 99%... |
| 13:59.20 | blairsooley | Can you manually remote it another way via your hosts control panel or something? |
| 13:59.21 | blairsooley | A hard reboot? |
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| 13:59.44 | LoonaTick | I figured.. hard reboot was my second option |
| 14:00.05 | blairsooley | Might be the only way, I'm not a Debian Guru/Linux Guru, I just help when I can and when that stuff happens and I can't kill it, I do a hard reboot... |
| 14:00.08 | LoonaTick | I was hoping someone here had another solution, or a reason why it's freaking out |
| 14:00.27 | blairsooley | :S |
| 14:00.44 | LoonaTick | yea me too. just hope it reboots :P its a quite important server |
| 14:00.57 | blairsooley | Yeah. |
| 14:01.29 | ServerSide | mbroeker: yes, I thought about that, anything else? |
| 14:03.47 | mbroeker | ServerSide, can your product compare with drupal5? |
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| 14:04.50 | edthefox | LoonaTick: have you tried 'shutdown -r now' ?? |
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| 14:05.48 | LoonaTick | edthefox: yes, actually, 10 seconds ago. actually a colleague of mine performed /etc/init.d/reboot stop at almost the same time, so I don't know what actually rebooted it |
| 14:05.54 | mbroeker | ServerSide, one of the benefit of drupal is the nls support. my site uses my native langugage for options, buttons and so on. that is a very useful feature. |
| 14:06.05 | LoonaTick | thanks for your help, either shutdown -r now fixed it, or /etc/init.d/reboot stop :) |
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| 14:13.04 | kcynice | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:13.47 | hark | kcynice: mencoder is not in debian |
| 14:13.48 | edthefox | !mencoder |
| 14:13.48 | dpkg | [mencoder] available from the debian-multimedia.org repositories and is not in Debian itself. Ask me about <dmm>. For usage instructions, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mencoder.html and also http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/encoding-guide.html |
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| 14:15.18 | Gorbulas | hello |
| 14:15.29 | kcynice | someone told me that,if i have it installed,all the media files could be converted from one format to another,if mplayer can play them |
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| 14:17.13 | Gorbulas | are there any good ipv6 capable inet daemons? I tried rlinetd, but it starts forking constantly. should I not use an inet daemon at all? |
| 14:17.25 | kcynice | thnx. |
| 14:18.48 | beware | i havent used an inet daemon for ages |
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| 14:19.33 | Gorbulas | I wasn't using one before I switched to Debian, but Debian seems to prefer inet daemons |
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| 14:21.40 | bopols | justin, Thanks! |
| 14:22.27 | apocn | Hello, I'm trying to install gaim-encryption using apt-get, but when I do that it uninstalls pidgin and installs gaim, any help? |
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| 14:23.35 | ringo999 | hi. i have to take a screenshot, what is a good tool for that? |
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| 14:24.26 | tralala | ringo999, apt-cache |
| 14:24.50 | tralala | it is a good tool for finding good tools for any purpose |
| 14:25.08 | ringo999 | found one...using xfce4-screenshot-plugin |
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| 14:27.25 | patrick-- | Anyone well with lighttpd? What do i need to install in order to make mod_proxy_core work? |
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| 14:30.52 | aislinux | Hello Guys |
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| 14:31.07 | AKUWAMARI | how an i change the system time ? |
| 14:31.35 | chops | AKUWAMARI: ntpdate |
| 14:31.37 | edthefox | apocn: have you tried to use aptitude install gaim-encryption and toggle throught the dependency install options? |
| 14:31.44 | Gorbulas | the date command does it manually |
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| 14:31.55 | Gorbulas | (ntpdate is automatic) |
| 14:31.56 | AKUWAMARI | 24 Jan 05:32:14 ntpdate[4448]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 14:32.03 | Hadaka | debconf no longer asks which X driver I want on install - how do I configure the X driver in debian nowadays? |
| 14:32.13 | aislinux | I need little help to upgrade my RT from 3.6.5 to 3.6.6. Some one that can give me a little help. My Question Where should I extract 3.6.6 package maybe overwrite the 3.6.5 is that correct? |
| 14:33.00 | apocn | edthefox: let me try that |
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| 14:33.53 | Noboru | how do i disable tcp6 ? |
| 14:34.14 | Noboru | i do netstat -na | grep ESTA,i got them all in tcp6 but i dont have a tcp6 |
| 14:34.23 | AKUWAMARI | i don't want to use ntpdate |
| 14:34.29 | tralala | Noboru, /msg dpkg net-pf-10 |
| 14:34.50 | apocn | edthefox: It doesnt let me... it forces me to remove pidgin |
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| 14:35.46 | cyzie | AKUWAMARI, what is your problem ? |
| 14:36.19 | AKUWAMARI | i have a wrong time i my system |
| 14:36.36 | AKUWAMARI | i have 05:36 and is 10:06 AM |
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| 14:36.46 | Noboru | tralala, thanks,but i dont have that file |
| 14:36.48 | AKUWAMARI | i change using BIOS |
| 14:36.56 | cyzie | the do this, rdate -s <time.server.com> |
| 14:37.01 | Noboru | tralala, dpkg says [net-pf-10] the IPv6 module. If you want to disable warnings about this, turn it off by uncommenting the "alias net-pf-10 off" line in /etc/modutils/aliases, then running update-modules. |
| 14:37.02 | cyzie | AKUWAMARI, the do this, rdate -s <time.server.com> |
| 14:37.19 | Noboru | but tralala ,i dont have that modutils |
| 14:37.50 | AKUWAMARI | bash: rdate: command not found |
| 14:37.59 | cyzie | AKUWAMARI, sudo apt-get install rdate |
| 14:38.39 | tralala | Noboru, /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
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| 14:39.03 | apocn | edthefox: but before I had ubuntu installed and I could install pidgin and gaim-encryption together with no problem... |
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| 14:39.51 | harpal | Hey do we have pidgin in any repository? |
| 14:40.06 | tralala | harpal, /msg dpkg pdo |
| 14:40.33 | Noboru | tralala, same |
| 14:40.52 | tralala | you don't have /etc/modprobe.d/aliases? |
| 14:41.13 | Noboru | tralala, i ve gotten that line net-pf-10 commented,then ran update-modules,now i check,same |
| 14:41.21 | Noboru | yes,i have it. |
| 14:41.55 | hark | update-modules does nothing |
| 14:42.01 | tralala | you have to have a line saying "alias net-pf-10 off", then you have to reboot |
| 14:42.22 | AKUWAMARI | gime me a server name |
| 14:42.31 | tralala | google.com |
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| 14:42.38 | AKUWAMARI | time server |
| 14:42.44 | Noboru | a reboot is NEEDed ? |
| 14:42.48 | tralala | pool.ntp.org |
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| 14:43.04 | tralala | Noboru, yes |
| 14:43.09 | hark | modprobe -r ipv6 |
| 14:43.13 | tralala | won't work |
| 14:43.19 | Noboru | hmm |
| 14:43.32 | tralala | once loaded it sticks |
| 14:43.37 | cyzie | AKUWAMARI, are you new to linux ? |
| 14:43.44 | AKUWAMARI | no |
| 14:43.53 | AKUWAMARI | but never use system time |
| 14:44.00 | AKUWAMARI | i mean, never i change |
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| 14:44.33 | Noboru | tralala, i m sorry,i mean after all of those steps, this annoying ipv6 thing will be gone? so that by then i can view the complete ip addresses in netstat ? |
| 14:44.53 | AKUWAMARI | pool.ntp.org that server give no response |
| 14:45.05 | tralala | Noboru, hopefully... |
| 14:45.15 | Noboru | ok,thanks,let me reboot it |
| 14:45.29 | tralala | AKUWAMARI, ntp uses udp communications, your firewall should let it pass |
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| 14:46.46 | AKUWAMARI | i don't have firewalls |
| 14:47.22 | tralala | do you realize what this means? |
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| 14:49.09 | AKUWAMARI | what? |
| 14:49.12 | chops | AKUWAMARI: What is the exact error message you get when using ntpdate with pool.ntp.org? |
| 14:49.22 | AKUWAMARI | no error |
| 14:49.31 | chops | Well, what's the problem then? :-) |
| 14:49.40 | AKUWAMARI | only crusor blnking |
| 14:49.44 | cyzie | AKUWAMARI, do it using root |
| 14:49.49 | AKUWAMARI | i don get the time |
| 14:49.58 | chops | AKUWAMARI: First install ntpdate, then say 'sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate start' |
| 14:50.07 | chops | AKUWAMARI: That won't start anything; it'll just set your system time to the correct value. |
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| 14:50.23 | chops | AKUWAMARI: (Or run as root instead of using sudo) |
| 14:50.32 | AKUWAMARI | rdate -p south-america.pool.ntp.org |
| 14:50.41 | AKUWAMARI | that should output the time |
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| 14:50.45 | Gaffairor | hiya |
| 14:51.17 | orveldv | folks, how can I search for a particular topic when chatting in private with dpkg? :-) |
| 14:51.26 | Gaffairor | has anyone come across cjpeg? I have strong feelings it's some superold software that should be already be replaced by gd or imagemagick |
| 14:51.26 | dondelelcaro | orveldv: /msg dpkg help |
| 14:51.28 | cyzie | AKUWAMARI, rdate -s south-america.pool.ntp.org |
| 14:51.35 | dondelelcaro | orveldv: you're looking for the listkeys and listvals commands |
| 14:51.40 | Gaffairor | how can I install the cjpeg, cant find it trough apt-get |
| 14:51.50 | chops | !tell Gaffairor about search |
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| 14:52.44 | orveldv | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 14:53.17 | AKUWAMARI | no response |
| 14:53.28 | chops | AKUWAMARI: What do you mean, "no response"? |
| 14:53.32 | AKUWAMARI | ntpdate is installed |
| 14:53.43 | AKUWAMARI | i don`t get time, no errors |
| 14:53.47 | cyzie | AKUWAMARI, strange, try search for a few tiem server. |
| 14:53.57 | chops | AKUWAMARI: Can you pastebin your exact session where you're using ntpdate to set your time? |
| 14:54.21 | cemc | AKUWAMARI: you don't get any message when running that command ? |
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| 14:54.37 | hark | do you have the right timezone set? |
| 14:54.39 | Noboru | tralala, same |
| 14:54.39 | AKUWAMARI | no |
| 14:54.43 | Gorbulas | has anyone ever seen a bandwidth monitor program show more bandwidth being utilized than possible? munin says that at exactly 19:00 eth0 was receiving 102.36Mbps. I only have 100Mbps NICs in that computer, and it's highly unlikely that my ISP would send me that much traffic |
| 14:54.48 | Noboru | tralala, after a reboot,i still have ipv6 |
| 14:55.27 | cemc | AKUWAMARI: no as in 'you don't get any message' ? then i guess it worked |
| 14:55.53 | shamrock | Could anyone suggest how to track down what is causing a debian server to refuse subsequent ssh requests? In the morning the first ssh works fine. The next just sits there blinking. Using ssh -v the last message from ssh is "debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received" and then just a blinking cursor. Could it be gpg-agent related? |
| 14:55.57 | chops | Gorbulas: I've seen jnettop report 819 MB/s; there's a bug about it at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=460723. I suspect that's an overflow in jnettop, though. |
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| 14:56.13 | Gorbulas | it's ruining my graph until next week now because the normal maximum is less than 10Mbps |
| 14:56.14 | cemc | AKUWAMARI: never mind, i get timeout when using -p switch |
| 14:56.29 | AKUWAMARI | see |
| 14:56.54 | AKUWAMARI | in GNome i solve, i choose UTC and i get right time |
| 14:57.12 | AKUWAMARI | but the command doesn't work |
| 14:57.25 | AKUWAMARI | in cosole is bad time |
| 14:57.36 | chops | AKUWAMARI: It's possible your BIOS time is set to the local timezone, but Debian thinks it's set to UTC. |
| 14:57.46 | AKUWAMARI | yeah |
| 14:57.54 | AKUWAMARI | how can i use UTC in my console? |
| 14:58.02 | Gorbulas | no in that case ntpdate would set the bios clock wrong |
| 14:58.14 | Gorbulas | (but think it's right) |
| 14:58.16 | chops | AKUWAMARI: Don't do it that way. It won't make you happy. |
| 14:58.30 | AKUWAMARI | no i am seeeing right time |
| 14:58.44 | AKUWAMARI | here is 10:28 AM |
| 14:58.57 | AKUWAMARI | but in console i see 05:57 |
| 14:59.25 | AKUWAMARI | dclock takes the time from system, so it have 05 too |
| 14:59.38 | chops | AKUWAMARI: Edit /etc/default/rcS, set UTC=no to indicate your BIOS clock is set to local time. |
| 15:00.02 | chops | AKUWAMARI: Then you won't have to lie to the system in order to get the "correct" time displayed. |
| 15:00.12 | cyzie | heh |
| 15:00.12 | AKUWAMARI | ok, good |
| 15:00.23 | chops | AKUWAMARI: Rerun '/etc/init.d/hwclock.sh start' after making that change and see if it works for you from console |
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| 15:01.12 | AKUWAMARI | good |
| 15:01.16 | AKUWAMARI | now all is ok |
| 15:01.29 | AKUWAMARI | thank you very much |
| 15:01.33 | AKUWAMARI | chops |
| 15:01.39 | chops | AKUWAMARI: np |
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| 15:02.25 | AKUWAMARI | is there a analogic clock GUI ? |
| 15:02.46 | chops | AKUWAMARI: There's xclock and daliclock |
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| 15:03.42 | AKUWAMARI | ok, thanks |
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| 15:04.12 | Noboru | tralala, there ? |
| 15:04.24 | Noboru | tralala, it has nothing to do with what you just told me |
| 15:04.30 | Noboru | but a apache setting |
| 15:04.40 | Noboru | so do i have to reset what i did ? |
| 15:04.48 | Noboru | here /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
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| 15:04.53 | AKUWAMARI | every time i run synaptic i get this error |
| 15:04.53 | AKUWAMARI | E: postgresql-8.1: el subproceso post-installation script devolvió el código de salida de error 1 |
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| 15:05.48 | chops | AKUWAMARI: Can you run synaptic as 'LANG=C synaptic' and pastebin the entire error that you get? |
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| 15:06.03 | AKUWAMARI | ok, wait |
| 15:07.12 | AKUWAMARI | http://www.pastebin.ca/870930 |
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| 15:08.59 | chops | AKUWAMARI: What are you using postgres for? |
| 15:09.11 | AKUWAMARI | i am testing |
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| 15:09.48 | Rhizome | Any of you guys have any thoughts on monitoring and administration with Pikt ? |
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| 15:12.36 | chops | AKUWAMARI: What's 'apt-cache policy postgresql-8.1' say? |
| 15:12.59 | dcnoye | how do i install a package on etch that is only available for lenny ? |
| 15:13.17 | dcnoye | without just upgrading to lenny ? |
| 15:13.17 | chops | AKUWAMARI: I don't understand the version of postgres that you have -- you have 8.1.9-0etch2, but according to http://packages.debian.org/postgresql-8.1 the etch version is 8.1.11-0etch1. |
| 15:13.18 | dondelelcaro | dcnoye: you get or make a backport of it |
| 15:13.25 | dondelelcaro | !backports |
| 15:13.25 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 15:13.40 | dcnoye | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 15:14.04 | AKUWAMARI | chops: i used synaptic to install it |
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| 15:14.40 | AKUWAMARI | chops: http://www.pastebin.ca/870938 |
| 15:15.12 | enouf | Noboru: add "blacklist ipv6" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist (or /blacklist.local) and then run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-XXXX to update your initrd do "/msg dpkg blacklist initramfs" |
| 15:15.28 | streuner | !nickometer AKUWAMARI |
| 15:15.30 | dpkg | 'AKUWAMARI' is 99.9006% lame, streuner |
| 15:15.32 | chops | AKUWAMARI: Hm. Can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 15:16.02 | enouf | Noboru: i mean /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
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| 15:17.29 | AKUWAMARI | sources.list _> http://www.pastebin.ca/870940 |
| 15:17.41 | chops | Synaptic does use /etc/apt/sources.list, doesn't it? |
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| 15:18.05 | dongs | http://rafb.net/p/qCSJHB89.html < some new shit i bought cant get an ip address. every other pc (all windows, of course) on my network have no problems. |
| 15:18.08 | chops | AKUWAMARI: You should enable security updates |
| 15:18.10 | AKUWAMARI | what mena that 'AKUWAMARI' is 99.9006% lame, streuner |
| 15:18.13 | dongs | halp. |
| 15:18.13 | chops | !tell AKUWAMARI about security |
| 15:18.38 | chops | AKUWAMARI: But I think that's unrelated to your current problem |
| 15:18.59 | streuner | AKUWAMARI: that your nick-name is pretty lame, CAPS or such isnt a good idea according to the bot (dpkg) and us |
| 15:19.12 | AKUWAMARI | why? |
| 15:19.28 | streuner | because most of us get eye-cancer? ;-) |
| 15:19.43 | wols_ | make it mkes you look like a 10 year old warezkiddie |
| 15:19.50 | dongs | hello |
| 15:19.50 | AKUWAMARI | so, i have to change to lowercase? |
| 15:19.56 | dongs | does anyone here actually help with lunix problems |
| 15:19.58 | wols_ | no you don't have to |
| 15:20.01 | dongs | i dont care about that dudes nick. |
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| 15:20.16 | chops | AKUWAMARI: Caps are a way of drawing attention to things -- if your nick is all-caps, it's drawing lots of attention to some text that other people don't consider the most important thing. Some people consider it slightly rude. |
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| 15:20.23 | dongs | i have a $100 product that I bought and it doesnt work. and it runs lunix. |
| 15:20.30 | chops | dongs: Does it run Debian? |
| 15:20.31 | wols_ | dongs: ifoncifg -a |
| 15:20.41 | AKUWAMARI | ok, i will change |
| 15:20.48 | wols_ | *ifconfig |
| 15:20.49 | streuner | thank you |
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| 15:20.53 | dongs | wols_: how is that even related. teh dhcp server works, as i said every machine on the network uses it fine. |
| 15:20.58 | dongs | this particular device doesnt want to get an IP. |
| 15:21.07 | helo | !disable persistent network naming |
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| 15:21.24 | wols_ | dongs: the device doesn't run debian but the dhcp server does run dbeian? |
| 15:21.36 | akuwamari | ok |
| 15:21.42 | akuwamari | now is ok, right? |
| 15:21.45 | helo | hmmm |
| 15:21.47 | chops | akuwamari: Much better :-) |
| 15:21.50 | dongs | wols_: sure. |
| 15:21.51 | enouf | !prize akuwamari |
| 15:22.04 | dongs | i dont see how either is relevant, but lets assume thats the case |
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| 15:22.08 | wols_ | dongs: then you don't have a debian problem. ask the support for the device maker. hanve a nice day |
| 15:22.08 | streuner | akuwamari: yes, btw, /nick foo would work too without log out and back in |
| 15:22.12 | akuwamari | yeah, i am the winner today, hehehehe |
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| 15:22.48 | akuwamari | no, i just want to configure to everytime in enter to the channel |
| 15:22.57 | streuner | ok |
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| 15:23.20 | chops | akuwamari: For some reason, your database file has the wrong permissions... if you happen to know where postgres stores its DB (or if someone here familiar with postgres can tell you), you can pastebin an ls -l on it and we might be able to tell you more |
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| 15:23.45 | chops | akuwamari: That's the postgres problem |
| 15:23.53 | akuwamari | ok, thanks |
| 15:24.42 | smacnay | what is the overhead when running iptables with shorewall? Does it cause much of a drain on a system's cpu and mem? |
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| 15:25.01 | chops | smacnay: It shouldn't. |
| 15:25.13 | Noboru | enouf, thanks,but mine was actually a apache problem ,not debian specified. |
| 15:25.22 | akuwamari | updating ... |
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| 15:26.00 | akuwamari | guys, i will have a radio program here |
| 15:26.13 | akuwamari | you are invited to give me ideas and info to the program |
| 15:26.15 | helo | how do i disable the persistent network device names, so i can boot this hard drive in multiple machines without having to use eth1, eth2, ..., ethX for each machine |
| 15:26.29 | akuwamari | the radio program is about Linux and Free Software |
| 15:26.51 | wols_ | !tell akuwamari about ot |
| 15:27.12 | wols_ | helo: grep eth0 /etc/udev/rules.d/* |
| 15:27.36 | wols_ | !tell helo about z25 |
| 15:29.08 | akuwamari | Linux supports all Printers ? |
| 15:29.18 | wols_ | !printing |
| 15:29.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui or printconf, or see <cups> |
| 15:29.20 | akuwamari | i have a new Lexmark but can use |
| 15:29.52 | streuner | akuwamari: well, some multifunction printer arent well supported, but usually printer are good supported |
| 15:29.58 | Gorbulas | Linux can print to some Lexmarks |
| 15:30.02 | streuner | akuwamari: look at linuxprinting.org |
| 15:30.53 | akuwamari | i never can work with my Canon Scanner, in the Sane page is not supported |
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| 15:35.24 | jetscreamer | there's a lexmark.com/linux |
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| 15:38.11 | jetscreamer | www.lexmark.com/linux |
| 15:38.33 | BruteSquad | hi all, my i have a USB install of antix, I the install was for a Toshiba I had which was just stolen. I'm now using an x61, and the sound isn't working (alsaconf recognizes the hardware), I'm looking for some help, thanks! |
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| 15:39.32 | streuner | !+tell BruteSquad -about laptops |
| 15:39.33 | dpkg | told BruteSquad about laptops. |
| 15:39.35 | jetscreamer | http://www.lexmark.com/lexmark/sequentialem/home/0,6959,204816596_659668505_0_en,00.html |
| 15:39.41 | jetscreamer | worked the other day |
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| 15:40.19 | streuner | BruteSquad: what's antix? |
| 15:40.28 | smacnay | Hi, I just noticed that my /dev/mapper/debian-root area is 90% full. Is there any danger of this filling up and, if so, how do I avoid this? |
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| 15:40.43 | BruteSquad | streuner, its a verison of mepis, uses debian packages |
| 15:41.09 | dcnoye | i'm looking for a good web crawler, any suggestions ? |
| 15:41.23 | streuner | BruteSquad: look at the <laptops> factoid, if you arent using Debian we cant help |
| 15:41.46 | BruteSquad | streuner, ok thanks, how do i access that factoid? |
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| 15:41.58 | streuner | !laptops |
| 15:41.58 | dpkg | it has been said that laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 15:42.20 | squre | hello, is there a debug package for libc available? |
| 15:42.31 | chops | squre: libc6-dbg |
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| 15:43.40 | squre | excellent, ty |
| 15:43.55 | chops | squre: np |
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| 15:51.46 | vinc456 | does anyone know of a tool similar to the "leave" package that can be used to stuff like notify me 5 minutes before a lecture is going to begin? |
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| 15:54.08 | at0m|c | vinc456, using korganizer on kde... |
| 15:54.31 | chops | vinc456: at |
| 15:55.01 | vinc456 | will check both out, thanks |
| 15:55.26 | H2S04 | korganizer, that sounds dirty |
| 15:55.45 | Nyle | yeh well |
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| 15:55.54 | Nyle | we like dirty |
| 15:56.32 | grendal_prime | well not dirty so much as... naughty... |
| 15:56.35 | at0m|c | at doesnt have same WAF imo |
| 15:56.39 | at0m|c | eheh |
| 15:56.51 | Nyle | grendal_prime: right you are |
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| 15:57.22 | Nyle | man I feel like crap, its time for cold medicine, a jay, and back to bed I go |
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| 15:58.07 | grendal_prime | you know...because everyone needs dicipline at some point...even supermodels |
| 15:58.41 | grendal_prime | Nyle: you got the cough tell you barf thing? cause i do |
| 15:58.41 | Nyle | I do? |
| 15:58.50 | Nyle | no |
| 15:58.54 | grendal_prime | you said you feel sick |
| 15:58.58 | Nyle | that was 2 weeks ago when I had to go the emergency room |
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| 15:59.04 | Nyle | throwing up and coughing up blood |
| 15:59.10 | grendal_prime | damn.. |
| 15:59.12 | Nyle | this week its just a cold |
| 15:59.13 | tardbucket1 | did you have diarrhea too? |
| 15:59.17 | Nyle | yes I did |
| 15:59.20 | tardbucket1 | AWESOME |
| 15:59.28 | grendal_prime | eboli? |
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| 15:59.38 | Nyle | bloody stool samples, degenerative stomache lining, gastric juice leaked |
| 15:59.44 | Nyle | you can figure out the rest |
| 15:59.46 | tardbucket1 | tasty |
| 15:59.54 | grendal_prime | wow.. |
| 16:00.30 | grendal_prime | all i did was cough tell i barfed...im missing out on some seriouse pto |
| 16:00.44 | jetscreamer | til |
| 16:00.47 | jetscreamer | not tell |
| 16:00.53 | Nyle | the doctor said, for the amount of pot you smoke you get no munhies, you should be eating, but you don't, you are extremely dehydrated and malnourished |
| 16:01.05 | grendal_prime | snowed at my office last night im waiting tell they get the roads plowed |
| 16:01.16 | jetscreamer | you did that on purpose... |
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| 16:01.30 | Nyle | me? |
| 16:01.32 | Nyle | dude I can't help it |
| 16:01.35 | jetscreamer | no, grendal_prime |
| 16:01.37 | Nyle | oh |
| 16:01.46 | Nyle | man I wish I could get hungry more |
| 16:01.49 | jetscreamer | typed 'tell' again |
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| 16:02.05 | Nyle | i get hungry once a day, IF that |
| 16:02.06 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 16:02.08 | Nyle | :( |
| 16:02.21 | jetscreamer | i used to eat once a day |
| 16:02.30 | grendal_prime | Not tell you let up on it hahahaha |
| 16:02.36 | jetscreamer | 2 big sammiches |
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| 16:03.01 | jetscreamer | ahhhhh! :) |
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| 16:03.13 | Kekcuk | http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139657817 It's game!! If you enter this page you will vote for me!!(thanks too all who enter this page) |
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| 16:03.18 | grendal_prime | whats a good server for dev stuff..besides freenode...i got bounced out of #python last nnight |
| 16:03.49 | wols_ | for python, #python on freenode is best imho |
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| 16:04.21 | Nyle | jetscreamer: youtube-dl made me wanna learn python |
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| 16:04.49 | jetscreamer | ok... me i wanna lern perl. but i suck so never will... |
| 16:04.57 | grendal_prime | ya cept i wont be allowed back there for some time...(if ever) Besides i wasnt really getting what i needed from there..it was sort of a one sided relationship |
| 16:05.04 | Nyle | I went and bought a book on python last night. A!Press something something Python |
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| 16:05.50 | Nyle | 3 days till its shipped |
| 16:05.57 | grendal_prime | the python tut is pretty good...if you read it from beginning to end..but i can never seem to search for what i need in it |
| 16:05.59 | Nyle | thats ok, I can read tutorials in the mean time |
| 16:06.03 | Nyle | but nothing beats a good book |
| 16:06.11 | Nyle | and I like A! Press, they usually have good books |
| 16:06.16 | grendal_prime | i think tuts do...and i own a bookstore |
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| 16:06.24 | Nyle | nie |
| 16:06.29 | Nyle | i like books |
| 16:06.34 | Nyle | hell, I LOVE books |
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| 16:06.41 | grendal_prime | thats good...you people pay my bills |
| 16:06.44 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 16:06.50 | Nyle | glad i could |
| 16:06.51 | grendal_prime | thanks by the way... |
| 16:07.22 | grendal_prime | you like novels? we got a shitload of those. |
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| 16:07.35 | Nyle | i've picked up a $4 book from used bookstore by daniel dannette |
| 16:07.39 | Nyle | called Freedom Evolves |
| 16:07.56 | grendal_prime | especially historical romance...i could cover them in cement and build a house out of them. |
| 16:07.57 | Nyle | on the evolution of free will |
| 16:08.07 | Nyle | its pretty cool, this guy is a prof at some big uni somewhere too |
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| 16:08.15 | Nyle | anyway, he has interesting thigns to say |
| 16:08.27 | tardbucket1 | you ever read that novel where Abe Lincoln gave it hard to cleopatra? |
| 16:08.36 | tardbucket1 | that was good historical romance |
| 16:08.37 | grendal_prime | so does my auto mechanic though |
| 16:08.37 | tardbucket1 | UNF |
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| 16:09.04 | tardbucket1 | she tugged hard on that beard |
| 16:09.05 | grendal_prime | ok roads are plowed |
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| 16:09.27 | grendal_prime | im heading in to work see ya later my ninjaz |
| 16:09.35 | Nyle | good |
| 16:09.38 | Nyle | begone with ye |
| 16:09.44 | ^root^ | i have this problem, i created a new user chevaliar, and he belongs to "chevaliar : chevaliar root adm dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev scanner fuse lpadmin admin" the problem is that he is complainting to able to see usb in the nautilus, which is shown in fdisk -l, he can even mount it, but its not auto mounted.. |
| 16:10.05 | Nyle | hm |
| 16:10.10 | Nyle | try pmount |
| 16:10.27 | Nyle | user can't mount nothing afaik, unless they have correct perms |
| 16:10.35 | Nyle | !info pmount |
| 16:10.42 | dpkg | pmount: (mount removable devices as normal user), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.9.17-1 (sid), Packaged size: 97 kB, Installed size: 484 kB |
| 16:10.48 | jetscreamer | ^root^: so is it an ubuntu or debian box |
| 16:11.00 | jetscreamer | i can't tell you ask in both channels |
| 16:11.11 | Nyle | jetscreamer: wtf are YOU doin in both chans |
| 16:11.11 | Nyle | ? |
| 16:11.17 | Nyle | *smack* |
| 16:11.21 | Nyle | hmm? HMMMMM? |
| 16:11.22 | jetscreamer | slumming? |
| 16:11.28 | Nyle | o, ok then |
| 16:11.46 | ^root^ | jetscreamer, its ubuntu basically, but no one could answer there |
| 16:11.47 | jetscreamer | pmount though |
| 16:12.04 | Nyle | something not right with pmount? |
| 16:12.16 | jetscreamer | or you could try adding a gid= to the mount line / fstab |
| 16:12.23 | Nyle | he is on ubuntu |
| 16:12.25 | jetscreamer | no i meant try/use pmount |
| 16:12.27 | Nyle | you really think he is capable of doing that? |
| 16:12.31 | Nyle | c'mon now man |
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| 16:12.37 | Nyle | oh yeh word |
| 16:12.45 | jetscreamer | he was smart enough to ask here... :) |
| 16:12.49 | Nyle | well |
| 16:12.56 | Nyle | no |
| 16:13.00 | Nyle | thats not smart |
| 16:13.15 | Nyle | im on gentoo, so let me to go #fedora and ask for help |
| 16:13.36 | jetscreamer | it's kinda like 'im on sid let me ask this testing user |
| 16:13.40 | Nyle | not really |
| 16:13.41 | jetscreamer | but i'm not advocating |
| 16:14.31 | ^root^ | :( |
| 16:14.49 | Nyle | muhammad shaoib |
| 16:14.55 | ^root^ | yes? |
| 16:14.58 | Nyle | I know a muhammad Suicmez |
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| 16:15.06 | Nyle | one man mastermind behind Necrophagist |
| 16:15.13 | Nyle | ^root^: Salaam u alaikum |
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| 16:15.23 | ^root^ | Nyle, Wa Alikum Sallam |
| 16:15.43 | Nyle | where are you from? |
| 16:16.28 | ^root^ | Nyle, Pakistan, but i guess that wont help my user in accesing usb :( |
| 16:16.35 | Nyle | it might |
| 16:16.39 | ^root^ | Nyle, did whois tell about that as well? |
| 16:16.49 | Nyle | use a distro that works |
| 16:16.52 | Nyle | bakwas na kar |
| 16:16.59 | azeem | ^root^: your hostname is .pk |
| 16:17.04 | Nyle | ubuntu ko chore de, accept debian |
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| 16:17.07 | ^root^ | Nyle, mind your tounge |
| 16:17.16 | Nyle | debian se zindagi sahi ho jaye gi |
| 16:17.19 | Nyle | #debian-ur |
| 16:17.25 | azeem | Nyle: please write in english |
| 16:17.30 | ^root^ | Nyle, oopss that correct, i will when i find... |
| 16:18.02 | Nyle | node CHODE you idiot, chore meaning leave, chode means fuck, don't confuse and tell me I'm not minding my toung |
| 16:18.06 | Nyle | :( |
| 16:18.23 | Nyle | anyway, install debian please, you will find a very helpful and extremely knowledlgable community |
| 16:18.53 | ^root^ | Nyle, i wont accept that kind of language, where are channel ops? |
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| 16:19.07 | Nyle | you misunderstood, I didn't say nothing bad. |
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| 16:19.35 | Nyle | anyway, I think you should go back to #ubuntu |
| 16:19.35 | ^root^ | Nyle, then lets stick to the topic and english only.... |
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| 16:19.43 | ^root^ | Nyle, that i am... |
| 16:19.50 | Nyle | great, see ya |
| 16:20.00 | ^root^ | Nyle, see ya. |
| 16:20.06 | Nyle | allah hafiz |
| 16:20.29 | S4nD3r | Which extension to save gimp file, to keep working with layers after that !? |
| 16:20.37 | gordonjcp | S4nD3r: .xcf |
| 16:20.44 | azeem | S4nD3r: the gimp file format |
| 16:20.45 | Nyle | doesn't png support layers? |
| 16:20.46 | gordonjcp | S4nD3r: or .xcf.gz ;-) |
| 16:21.03 | gordonjcp | Nyle: no, and also it doesn't support stuff like guides |
| 16:21.14 | Nyle | hmm |
| 16:21.19 | S4nD3r | png doesnt support layers, I think |
| 16:21.40 | Nyle | I was working on my website logo in gimp, did some layes, and i saved it as some file format that supports layers but also in a web browser |
| 16:21.44 | gordonjcp | S4nD3r: nah, xcf is what you want, that's the native Gimp format |
| 16:21.48 | Nyle | i can't recall if i saved as gif or what |
| 16:21.51 | S4nD3r | ok than !!! |
| 16:21.55 | gordonjcp | S4nD3r: I don't know how well it supports saving to .psd |
| 16:22.02 | S4nD3r | thank you very much!! |
| 16:22.09 | gordonjcp | S4nD3r: iirc it does, sort of |
| 16:22.09 | S4nD3r | Im creating a new skin to amsn !!! |
| 16:22.14 | Nyle | nice |
| 16:22.24 | Nyle | link us here when you are done |
| 16:22.37 | S4nD3r | Its a way to help, and learn more !!! |
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| 16:23.01 | jetscreamer | use xcf till you're done with the picture |
| 16:23.08 | jetscreamer | then save it as whatever |
| 16:23.33 | jetscreamer | oh.. make that 'what he said' |
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| 16:25.11 | libertad_ | Bonjour |
| 16:25.24 | libertad_ | Excusez-moi. I am searching a free ide for desktop applications |
| 16:25.36 | libertad_ | For run applications over linux and windows |
| 16:25.44 | libertad_ | Thanks for all helps |
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| 16:25.53 | Nyle | I use Kdevelop |
| 16:25.58 | Nyle | and Mono for C# |
| 16:26.18 | Nyle | but... libertad_ what exactly do you want? |
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| 16:27.05 | libertad_ | Nyle: I want Develop desktop applications with a free (GNU/GPL) Language and IDE for portar Applications from linux to windonws and windows to linux |
| 16:27.20 | libertad_ | C# have problems with Microsoft library licences |
| 16:27.32 | chops | libertad_: C/C++ and wxWidgets is a popular way to go |
| 16:27.52 | chops | libertad_: python + wxPython is also becoming popular; it's still less mature but it's an easier platform |
| 16:27.52 | Nyle | hm |
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| 16:28.26 | Blackhold | hello... could someone give me with a squid problem? |
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| 16:29.23 | Blackhold | when user makes a http request it wastes a lot of time to serve the page, but when proxy detects the page it charges site very fast |
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| 16:29.35 | libertad_ | I am thinking in lazarus |
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| 16:29.46 | Blackhold | but when user press enter to the url and the page is showed could pass about 8-10 seconds |
| 16:29.55 | libertad_ | What do you think about the lazarus project? |
| 16:30.48 | Blackhold | I don't know lazarus project... |
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| 16:31.27 | chops | Blackhold: Silly question... does that happen if the user's browser is not configured to use the squid proxy? |
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| 16:31.54 | Blackhold | chops: users have proxy configured |
| 16:32.09 | libertad_ | Thanks Chops and Nyle, I go to test wxWidgets |
| 16:32.17 | Nyle | http://wiki.squid-cache.org/KnowledgeBase/PerformanceAnalysis |
| 16:32.28 | chops | Blackhold: Yes, but if you use a browser which is _not_ configured to use the proxy, how fast does it happen? |
| 16:33.24 | Nyle | so every new page takes 8-10 seconds to load, but if its already cached by the proxy it goes really fast? |
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| 16:33.41 | Nyle | if you reload a page cached in proxy it takes the same amount of time? |
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| 16:34.12 | Blackhold | chops: very fast |
| 16:34.28 | Blackhold | I have tested and the problem appears when proxy is active |
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| 16:34.42 | Nyle | Blackhold: read the link I gave you too |
| 16:34.57 | chops | Blackhold: Does the proxy use the same network connection as the main network? Also, see the link Nyle gave you. |
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| 16:35.43 | Blackhold | Nyle: now I take a look |
| 16:36.02 | Blackhold | chops: here I have about 40 computers using the same proxy server |
| 16:36.15 | Blackhold | but not all 40th at same time |
| 16:36.17 | Blackhold | sure |
| 16:36.31 | Nyle | does the browser say what its doing when you take 8-10 seconds |
| 16:36.35 | Nyle | contact site? |
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| 16:36.47 | Nyle | finding site? what? |
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| 16:37.01 | Nyle | dns response time could suck maybe? |
| 16:37.20 | Blackhold | Nyle: nope, when passes about 8-10 seconds appears the page |
| 16:37.29 | Nyle | I had the problem on my router actually, so I switched to ddwrt and voila problem gone |
| 16:37.33 | Blackhold | but all the page with all information instantantly |
| 16:37.39 | Nyle | and now I run a dns server internally anyway |
| 16:37.48 | Blackhold | I'm using right dns |
| 16:37.55 | Blackhold | dns that served my provider |
| 16:38.37 | azeem | Blackhold: pinging a random (valid) www.foo.com address works instantly? |
| 16:38.44 | Blackhold | yes |
| 16:38.52 | Blackhold | 'cause ICMP don't goes through proxy |
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| 16:45.27 | Blackhold | the proxy I'm configuring has got 2,7 Gb of RAM |
| 16:45.32 | Blackhold | 160 Gb of HD |
| 16:45.40 | Blackhold | is an intel xeon |
| 16:45.47 | Blackhold | a dell poweredge 400SC |
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| 16:52.51 | ris | hi - i have hit a bug in etch that occasionally makes x stall for about 3 minutes after a kde login. the system is spinning in X. using sysprof i realised it was spending most of its time in the kernel (im using an r200). however, i can't really narrow it down any further without kernel debugging symbols. what is the neat way of getting kernel debug syms in debian? |
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| 16:56.31 | azeem | ris: do you use fglrx or radeon? |
| 16:56.39 | azeem | ris: does it work fine with vesa? |
| 16:56.54 | ris | azeem: radeon/dri |
| 16:57.01 | ris | azeem: thats a good point |
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| 16:57.19 | ris | azeem: but id still love to know where its spinning in the kernel |
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| 16:59.11 | ris | azeem: although i doubt dri/radeon has anything to do with it - theres no glx activity at this point - i think its all XAA stuff |
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| 16:59.47 | chops | ris: What X driver are you using? |
| 17:00.15 | ris | chops: ati |
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| 17:00.39 | julioh | esos |
| 17:00.43 | BlueBoyBlues | Hello... My friend suggested me to start concentrating on data-bases .... any Tip on what to start out with ? |
| 17:01.41 | cusco | get a o'relly book on SQL |
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| 17:01.57 | chops | ris: The binary driver? |
| 17:02.30 | ris | chops: no, as in man 4 ati |
| 17:02.38 | BlueBoyBlues | thanks ;) |
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| 17:02.47 | ris | chops: vanilla xorg |
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| 17:03.20 | chops | ris: There's xserver-xorg-video-ati-dbg |
| 17:03.35 | ris | chops: ah. |
| 17:03.36 | chops | ris: And xserver-xorg-core-dbg |
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| 17:04.34 | ris | chops: hmm sysprof tells me 97% of the time is spent _in kernel_ |
| 17:05.01 | chops | ris: Even so, breaking X and inspecting the stack trace will tell you when operations are causing your kernel load |
| 17:05.01 | ris | chops: so i really think i have to pinpoint it there and then work back to see whats calling it |
| 17:05.10 | ris | chops: hmm actually |
| 17:05.11 | chops | ris: Debugging the kernel is hard |
| 17:06.08 | ris | chops: i just wanted a vague idea, but sysprof will give me a nice call graph telling me which xorg syms are calling the kernel so that might work |
| 17:06.21 | ris | just remembered |
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| 17:10.15 | SexyKen | I have 4 drives (1TB each) - I need them all to act as one. What RAID should I use? raid 0? |
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| 17:13.45 | wols_ | SexyKen: raid 5 |
| 17:14.01 | wols_ | that will you give 3 TB space |
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| 17:16.52 | helo | so raid 5 with 4 drives... 3-way striping with the fourth being the 'sum' of the others for reconstruction? |
| 17:17.48 | CalJohn | SexyKen: cliche part: make sure you need to use RAID, because if you don't you shouldn't, etc etc blah |
| 17:18.41 | helo | hmm... what is the purpose of distributed parity with raid5? wouldn't a (usenet PAR style) dedicated parity drive be just as useful? |
| 17:19.22 | helo | ahh, "The single disk is a bottle-neck for writing since every write requires updating the parity data." |
| 17:19.43 | justin | helo: with 4 drives you can do raid 1+0 |
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| 17:19.47 | wols_ | helo: what happens if your dedicated parity disk dies? |
| 17:19.59 | justin | wols_: you get a new dedicated parity disk? |
| 17:20.01 | helo | then you rebuild it from the other 4 |
| 17:20.05 | helo | err 3 |
| 17:20.13 | helo | what i described is raid3, i guess |
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| 17:22.13 | hoxu | !tell the-Shadow about hostname |
| 17:22.31 | helo | does linux support split seeks, so that read performance in a raid1 is increased? |
| 17:22.36 | ris | chops: etch doesn't have any X -dbg packages |
| 17:22.56 | ris | chops: serverside that is |
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| 17:27.30 | Roman123 | Hi! I've the following tricky question: Which lines have to be put into "/etc/network/interfaces" to enable the interface eth1 during booting but not to assign an IP address? I mean something similar to ifconfig eth1. |
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| 17:28.49 | helo | if you have nothing in interfaces referring to eth1, it will still exist and be enabled, it just won't have any IP address or routes |
| 17:29.11 | helo | afaik, eth1 would exist as long as the kernel module for it was loaded |
| 17:29.24 | sepski | auto eth1 :: iface eth1 inet Manual |
| 17:29.25 | Roman123 | really, I guess no |
| 17:29.45 | Roman123 | sepski: ah, let me try. :-) |
| 17:29.49 | sepski | s/Manual/manual/ it's all in man interfaces |
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| 17:30.38 | helo | oh, you want an ip address and gateway, etc to bet present in interfaces, but you don't want it brought up on boot? |
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| 17:31.10 | Roman123 | I just want to the interface to be up but assign to ip address nor route |
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| 17:31.45 | Roman123 | Something similar to typing ifconfig eth1 |
| 17:32.10 | Roman123 | helo: Currently. I'm trying sepskis hint. |
| 17:32.22 | hoxu | Roman123, umm? That command does not do anything for the interface, it just shows it |
| 17:32.23 | helo | in what capacity do you want the interface to be functioning without an ip address or route? |
| 17:32.32 | helo | that's what i was thinking, hoxu |
| 17:32.45 | hoxu | !confuse me |
| 17:32.46 | dpkg | Yes, how is their gerbil tomorrow, hoxu? trousers of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra crabpaste |
| 17:32.56 | hoxu | mmm, crabpaste |
| 17:33.04 | Roman123 | sorry, I mean ifconfig eth1 up |
| 17:33.11 | Roman123 | of course :-) |
| 17:33.17 | wols_ | Roman123: that doesn't answer the question: why? |
| 17:33.24 | helo | "ifup eth1"? |
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| 17:34.06 | Roman123 | wols_: I just need the interface up to build a bridged one into a virtual machine. |
| 17:34.23 | Roman123 | s/build/access |
| 17:34.31 | wols_ | us a pre-up script |
| 17:34.32 | helo | so you want a deviceless network interface? |
| 17:34.43 | Roman123 | better, to make the accessible |
| 17:34.47 | sepski | Roman123, thats why we have the "manual" method :) |
| 17:34.54 | justin | you don't need to use a script, you can just tell it to bridge the devices |
| 17:34.55 | helo | heh |
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| 17:35.40 | hoxu | Roman123, man 5 bridge-utils-interfaces |
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| 17:36.09 | Roman123 | sepski: it does not seem to work with the "manual" option in /etc/network/interfaces. If I reboot the machine, then type ifconfig, then there is no eth1 |
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| 17:36.25 | Roman123 | hoxu: I know how the bridge, the problem is more compilcated :-) |
| 17:36.35 | justin | Roman123: http://www.google.com/search?q=bridge_ports+inurl%3Ainterfaces |
| 17:36.50 | socram | i've just installed debian on a AlphaServer 800, Xorg isn't working, my xorg.config http://pastebin.com/m62627320 & xorg.log http://pastebin.com/m16f513bf |
| 17:36.51 | justin | Roman123: no.. problem is you don't know the difference between ifconfig and ifconfig -a |
| 17:36.54 | justin | Roman123: ;) |
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| 17:37.08 | Roman123 | hoxu: I just need an enabled interface. |
| 17:37.14 | Roman123 | justin: oh |
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| 17:37.57 | rubymonk | Hello, I'm looking for a console software which gives me the bandwidth usage by pid |
| 17:38.02 | rubymonk | Please |
| 17:38.03 | rubymonk | :) |
| 17:38.16 | Roman123 | justin: ok, if I do "ifconfig eth1 up", then "ifconfig", then eth1 shows. why is that? |
| 17:38.17 | hoxu | Roman123, how about you explain what you are trying to achieve and let the old beards here tell you what means you should use? |
| 17:38.23 | Roman123 | without -a option |
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| 17:38.36 | justin | Roman123: because the interface isn't up |
| 17:38.49 | Roman123 | ok, this will take some time :) |
| 17:38.52 | Roman123 | let me try |
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| 17:39.38 | Roman123 | I have a server running debian. This server is the host machine for a vmware server. Inside this host system several virtual machines are enabled. |
| 17:39.46 | sepski | Roman123, works for me |
| 17:39.57 | Roman123 | the virtual machines are also running debian |
| 17:40.15 | justin | Roman123: ifconfig does not show interfaces that are down, ifconfig -a does |
| 17:40.22 | justin | Roman123: you don't have a problem, that is just how it works |
| 17:40.27 | sepski | Roman123, you can also use pre-up ifconfig eth0 up on the bridge stanca |
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| 17:40.56 | sepski | justin, that's the whole point, he just added a stanca that should bring it up on boot. |
| 17:41.10 | justin | sepski: he did? |
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| 17:41.38 | sepski | Roman123, try ifup and ifdown on the interface while having the manual method |
| 17:42.12 | Roman123 | sepski: right, I just need the interface up, then bridge the vmware-interfaces to this one, so I can access them from inside the virtual hosts. |
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| 17:42.42 | the_glu | hi all |
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| 17:43.12 | the_glu | I have a friend with a mac with an intel processor |
| 17:43.17 | Roman123 | The interfaces inside the virtual hosts feature all public ip addresses. |
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| 17:43.26 | hoxu | hum, for bridge, don't you just remove the configs for interfaces that are part of it, and use bridge_ports for the bridge interface? |
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| 17:43.34 | the_glu | with architecture should use = |
| 17:43.37 | the_glu | *? |
| 17:43.56 | the_glu | poverpc or i386 ? |
| 17:44.00 | socram | i386 |
| 17:44.27 | the_glu | ok, thanks |
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| 17:44.47 | screamingbytes | lol |
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| 17:44.52 | moshii | google.. |
| 17:45.14 | sepski | hoxu, exactly but i belive the interfaces must be up, hence the pre-up lines on the bridge. Or the manual method on the interface itself |
| 17:46.06 | Roman123 | sepski: That's a trick to assign a (physical) network card to a virtual host without enabling (IP address, gateway, ..) them in the host system |
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| 17:50.12 | wuseldusel | hidiho! when will kde4 most likely make it into lenny? |
| 17:50.23 | SXP | wuseldusel: 2008 |
| 17:50.36 | wuseldusel | hohoho =) |
| 17:50.45 | SlayerXP | i'm serious |
| 17:51.07 | wuseldusel | yeah i'm sure |
| 17:51.30 | Meliorator | hi all, i'm migrating to debian from gentoo and have installed the new debian base system on to a filesystem in raid1. i used a precompiled kernel from portage, which does not seem to have raid support built in. i just asked a friend and he is saying that i need to install mdadm in an initrd. can't i just simply build support in to the kernel? |
| 17:52.32 | enouf | yes, (if your kernel version is new enough) .. so either or |
| 17:52.52 | justin | Meliorator: Portage? |
| 17:53.02 | screamingbytes | portage is a gentoo thing |
| 17:53.15 | protoloco | Hello, how can i know, what is doing some processs ? there is some process of mysql.. that is almost 100% how can i see what is it doing ? |
| 17:53.22 | justin | Meliorator: if you configured the raid array in the installer it should just work |
| 17:53.29 | wuseldusel | is it known wether it is planned to put kde4 into lenny/testing within next weeks or would this be unlikely? |
| 17:53.35 | enouf | just add the modules needed to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, then update-initramfs -u, might also want to dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 17:53.36 | justin | Meliorator: otherwise all you need to do is rebuild the initrd, it will add mdadm to it for you |
| 17:53.48 | sepski | Meliorator, chroot into the filesystem, install the mdam package and recreate the initrd. |
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| 17:54.31 | Meliorator | screamingbytes: and BSD too |
| 17:54.43 | Meliorator | ah ok, i installed kernel-package, which said that it installed the kernel headers, but i don't see anything in /usr/src, i guess i'm looking in the wrong place? |
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| 17:55.06 | Meliorator | why is everyone telling me to use initrd? |
| 17:55.15 | screamingbytes | yes but in context here were talking about gentoo not BSD |
| 17:55.18 | Meliorator | surely it's simpler to add kernel support? |
| 17:55.54 | wols_ | Meliorator: dpkg -L |
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| 17:56.13 | Roman123 | sepski, justin, hoxu: Thanks for the help. It seems I have to write a small startup script which runs "ifconfig eth1 up" and "ifconfig eth2 up". Then everything seems to work fine. Perhaps, pre_up as suggested before may also work. |
| 17:56.14 | sepski | Meliorator, initramfs then , |
| 17:56.34 | sepski | Roman123, both manual method and pre-up works for me. |
| 17:56.44 | wols_ | Meliorator: last I checked mdadm was not a kernel module |
| 17:57.06 | Meliorator | oh, i see, it is in gentoo... |
| 17:57.17 | wols_ | how can it be? |
| 17:57.29 | sepski | Meliorator, does not matter what kind of init ram fs you use, |
| 17:57.30 | wols_ | which sourcefile of your linux kernel is mdadm? |
| 17:57.48 | Meliorator | i didn't write the patch or wever, i just know that the option is there in the gentoo kernel config |
| 17:58.24 | screamingbytes | Meliorator: even though it is possible in debian, there is a lot less compiling to install software and make things work. |
| 17:58.27 | sepski | wols_, mdadm contains initramfs-tools hooks that makes sure that the needed raid modules are in the initrd |
| 17:58.47 | sepski | hence adding the package and recreating the initramfs makes the raid modules into the init ram fs |
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| 17:59.04 | Meliorator | wols_: 2.6.22-gentoo-r6 is what i was using |
| 17:59.20 | sepski | update-initramfs is the tool to recreate initramfs |
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| 18:00.30 | Meliorator | screamingbytes: i've noticed that debian doesn't like to compile anything =( |
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| 18:00.56 | Meliorator | everything is a precompiled binary or wever =( |
| 18:00.58 | hoxu | sepski, hmm, bridge-utils-interfaces(5) says "You should not put any lines to configure the interfaces that will be used by the bridge, as this will be setup automatically by the scripts when bringing the bridge up." |
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| 18:05.02 | screamingbytes | Meliorator: the dev's work very hard to make that possible, and in some respects its more stable because the systems are more standardized |
| 18:05.21 | chops | ris: You're right about the etch debug packages, sorry. You can recompile them locally with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug nostrip" to get debuggable packages. |
| 18:05.55 | screamingbytes | that being said, it is just as capable for compiling everything in deb, its just not the focused method for building and maintaining systems |
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| 18:06.21 | moshii | Meliorator: If you want to build stuff you are free to do so |
| 18:06.38 | Meliorator | is there package management if i do? |
| 18:06.44 | chops | Meliorator: You can compile whatever you like in Debian if you'd prefer to recompile things, just as it's possible to install precompiled binaries in Gentoo. It's just a matter of what the default and standard expectation is. |
| 18:07.10 | chops | Meliorator: apt-get source foo; cd foo-blah; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b; dpkg -i ../foo-blah.deb |
| 18:07.13 | moshii | Meliorator: learn how to use debhelper, dh_make, and you're away |
| 18:07.19 | chops | Meliorator: Yes, there is package management |
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| 18:08.28 | smacnay | Hi, I am running a "testing" install that uses lvm. I am trying to install a linux image.deb but get an error about there being no room on the device ./lib/modules/2.6.22-3-k7/kernel/net/x25/... |
| 18:08.43 | smacnay | When I run df, I see no partition or volume that is "full". |
| 18:08.48 | smacnay | I am a little confused. |
| 18:09.06 | chops | smacnay: Can you pastebin the exact error and a 'df -h'? |
| 18:09.32 | justin | smacnay: sounds like it is running out of space when generating the initrd in /tmp |
| 18:09.36 | wuseldusel | if i would want to use kde4 from experimental on my lenny: 1.) would it "harm" kde3 in any way 2.) what would happen when kde4 officially makes it into lenny? |
| 18:09.41 | smacnay | chops: I will try - I am in console right now. |
| 18:09.57 | smacnay | justin: I appear to have 350 Meg in /tmp right now |
| 18:10.14 | chops | wuseldusel: kde4 is not supposed to interfere with kde3, and it's supposed to upgrade smoothly into the future non-experimental versions. |
| 18:10.39 | Meliorator | ok thanks guys, gotta go out now, but will be back! |
| 18:10.46 | chops | wuseldusel: That said, anything from experiemental can do anything at all, up to and including making your computer explode and killing your cat. Be careful. |
| 18:10.49 | protoloco | Hello, how can i know, what is doing some processs ? there is some process of mysql.. that is almost 100% how can i see what is it doing ? |
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| 18:11.10 | protoloco | Hello, how can i know, what is doing some processs ? there is some process of mysql.. that is almost 100% how can i see what is it doing ? ( the process id in mysql is not the same of the pid of TOP) |
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| 18:12.14 | justin | protoloco: mysql has a show status; command or something |
| 18:12.17 | wuseldusel | chops: ok since i have no cat i think i'll give it a try ;) you know when it is supposed to make its way into lenny? |
| 18:12.31 | chops | wuseldusel: I believe the current plan is to ship lenny with kde3 |
| 18:13.07 | wuseldusel | chops: isn't lenny the testing branch? |
| 18:13.11 | wuseldusel | at least currently |
| 18:13.13 | chops | wuseldusel: Right now it is |
| 18:13.31 | chops | wuseldusel: But (under the current plan) kde4 will not make it into it until after lenny becomes the stable branch |
| 18:13.35 | screamingbytes | protoloco: well u can enter mysql, and type \s for sys info, it will give you some info on queries, threads etc... |
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| 18:14.51 | chops | wuseldusel: *will not make it into testing |
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| 18:15.27 | screamingbytes | protoloco: you can also type "ps -aux | grep mysql" to see more info on sql running processes |
| 18:15.33 | wuseldusel | chops: ups, it will take a long time until lenny gets stable wight? (a least when looking at the previous release cycles) has there been any change so its suggested come earlier? |
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| 18:16.31 | sigma_1234 | how do i edit the options in the shutdown choices menu. i need to delete standby and hibernate |
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| 18:16.45 | socram | what is the most generic driver for Xorg? |
| 18:17.05 | ampex2 | anyone have any thoughts on nfs-user-server vs unfs3? |
| 18:17.33 | moshii | socram: vesa |
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| 18:18.27 | chops | wuseldusel: The announcement is here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html |
| 18:18.33 | chops | wuseldusel: I'm not sure about the release schedule for lenny |
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| 18:19.18 | sigma_1234 | is debian alot better than ubuntu and kubuntu? |
| 18:19.20 | chops | sigma_1234: Why do you need to delete them? |
| 18:19.24 | chops | !start a distro war |
| 18:19.24 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 18:19.38 | sco50000 | lol |
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| 18:19.54 | david-work | lol |
| 18:19.59 | sigma_1234 | chops: they dont work on my pc so i dont want to click them by mistake |
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| 18:20.22 | wuseldusel | chops: thanks! |
| 18:20.27 | protoloco | http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=htopmysqldbte2.png <-- somebody can help me with this graph? mysql has alot of threads.. and one iss always 100% how can i know what is it doing ? dunno if i could kill it.. |
| 18:20.39 | chops | protoloco: Don't kill it |
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| 18:21.08 | protoloco | chops, why :S |
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| 18:21.34 | chops | protoloco: Because it's possible that that will corrupt your database, and pretty much certain that it will disrupt your active mysql processes if any. |
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| 18:21.57 | protoloco | chops, oh oks.. so what can i do?? my load average is hugee... sometimes goes to 7.0 |
| 18:22.03 | protoloco | now is like 2.0 or 3.0 |
| 18:22.08 | chops | protoloco: Have you followed the previous suggestion to investigate mysql's activity from within mysql? |
| 18:22.13 | smacnay | how does one redirect all output of a commandto a file (including error)? command &2> file.txt |
| 18:22.17 | protoloco | chops, yes.. |
| 18:22.23 | chops | smacnay: >& file.txt |
| 18:22.29 | smacnay | chops: thanks |
| 18:23.07 | chops | protoloco: And? |
| 18:24.19 | chops | protoloco: You could also turn on detailed query debugging; it's likely that something is making queries that place heavy load on the server (although whether it's something that can be solved easily by changing the queries or adding indexes or something is not certain). |
| 18:24.26 | protoloco | chops, it says about queries that are taking too long.. and with an ID, but that id doenst says much of the PID.. of top or htop |
| 18:24.47 | protoloco | slow queries do u mean ? |
| 18:24.53 | chops | protoloco: So find what's running those queries. How many possible mysql-using processes do you have? |
| 18:24.57 | protoloco | i have turn mysql slow queries on. |
| 18:25.58 | hoxu | protoloco, did "show processlist" say anything interesting? |
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| 18:30.04 | smacnay_ | chops, http://pastebin.ca/871103 |
| 18:30.20 | smacnay_ | chops, error when trying to install a .deb kernel and headers |
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| 18:30.36 | chops | smacnay_: And the 'df -h'? |
| 18:30.42 | smacnay_ | sorry |
| 18:30.43 | socram | xorg dies with this error using my s3 video card http://pastebin.com/m16f513bf ,changing it to vesa gives this error http://pastebin.com/m59a6af8e, help wanted :/ |
| 18:31.16 | justin | ah, that isn't the initrd, that is failing during the initial unpack |
| 18:31.43 | smacnay_ | chops, http://pastebin.ca/871105 |
| 18:31.55 | hoxu | !annoy bob2 |
| 18:31.56 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:31.58 | smacnay_ | justin, yes |
| 18:32.06 | smacnay_ | nnot sure why |
| 18:32.17 | chops | smacnay_: 29M free on / is not enough to unpack a kernel image |
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| 18:32.41 | smacnay_ | chops, hmm, why is that so full |
| 18:32.49 | smacnay_ | chops, I must look at that |
| 18:32.55 | chops | smacnay_: Because it's only 268M large? :-) |
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| 18:33.13 | chops | smacnay_: I generally prefer to use one large partition for /, and only occasionally a separate partition for /home |
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| 18:33.26 | chops | smacnay_: But making a ton of them for different top-level directories seems to lead to... problems. |
| 18:33.38 | chops | smacnay_: Problems similar to the one you're having :-) |
| 18:33.40 | smacnay_ | chops, I am the poster boy for that right now |
| 18:33.47 | chops | smacnay_: Indeed |
| 18:33.57 | vinc456 | is there a limit to the number of keys you can type over a remote terminal session? |
| 18:34.02 | chops | smacnay_: I used to do it that way, because (IIRC) that was the way the Mandrake installer did it |
| 18:34.08 | smacnay_ | chops, I just did the default deb install... oh well, I wonder if I can move this stuf around with lvm |
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| 18:34.27 | vinc456 | i'm trying to type the chord "C-M V" which works fine on a local session of emacs |
| 18:34.48 | chops | smacnay_: I'd advise combining as many as possible of your partitions into a single one instead of just reshuffling and resizing the existing ones. |
| 18:35.08 | smacnay_ | chops, I would like to combine all together except /home |
| 18:35.42 | chops | smacnay_: You should be able to do that (preferably from single-user mode) with cp -a |
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| 18:36.25 | hoxu | socram, googling suggests you can ignore that "No V_BIOS found" message, "Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration." sounds like a problem with your config maybe? |
| 18:37.26 | hoxu | socram, post your xorg.conf and maybe someone can point out if there are any problems in it |
| 18:38.16 | socram | Xorg.conf here http://pastebin.com/m26dfe55e |
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| 18:39.53 | moshii | socram: you're running on an alpha? |
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| 18:42.20 | socram | moshii, yeap AlphaServer 800, the integrated s3 video card seems to be problematic http://pastebin.com/m16f513bf |
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| 18:57.24 | abrotman | socram: those cards were barely supported in xfree863.x .. and 4.x made it even worse .. i can't imagine xorg is any better |
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| 18:58.08 | rrrggghhh | i had mount -t ntfs blah blah working fine the other day |
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| 18:58.13 | fat-lobyte | Hi, I have got a usb sound device and a normal pci card. I want to set the default card to the usb card. How do I do that? |
| 18:58.17 | rrrggghhh | i tried to install libntfs9 + libntfs-gnomevfs |
| 18:58.24 | rrrggghhh | now i can't mount it at all |
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| 18:58.37 | rrrggghhh | anybody have any ideas |
| 18:59.30 | fat-lobyte | rrrggghhh: it's not really a solution to your problem but I use ntfs-3g without any problems. You could try that if you dont succeed. |
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| 19:01.31 | rrrggghhh | i have a .deb for ntfs-3g |
| 19:01.37 | rrrggghhh | when i use Gdebi to try to install it |
| 19:01.43 | rrrggghhh | it tells me libc6 is an unmet dependency |
| 19:01.45 | abrotman | what is gdebi ? |
| 19:01.46 | rrrggghhh | but i have libc6 |
| 19:01.47 | aswp | don't know |
| 19:01.51 | rrrggghhh | a .deb package installed for gnome |
| 19:01.57 | rrrggghhh | installer* |
| 19:02.13 | fat-lobyte | rrrggghhh: I suppose you have etch? |
| 19:02.15 | smacnay_ | Hi, what are the permission supposed to be on the directories: /etc and /usr ? |
| 19:02.22 | rrrggghhh | i believe so yes |
| 19:02.27 | abrotman | rrrggghhh: and where did you get your ntfs-3g ? |
| 19:02.36 | rrrggghhh | i think the one i have now is the backdoor one |
| 19:02.58 | rrrggghhh | i have two, actually |
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| 19:03.03 | abrotman | backdoor? |
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| 19:03.07 | rrrggghhh | one of them tells me i need libc6, the backdoor one tells me i need libfuse2 |
| 19:03.08 | rrrggghhh | i have both |
| 19:03.13 | fat-lobyte | rrrggghhh: well that's a bit of a problem, I have lenny. But before, i had etch and compiled fuse and ntfs-3g myself and it worked too |
| 19:03.20 | krime | Hello, I am trying to install "nmap, lastest stable version" on a Debian 3.1 box and it's giving me this error while "make'ing": http://rafb.net/p/Gm9JEF48.html |
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| 19:04.29 | abrotman | rrrggghhh: FROM WHERE? |
| 19:04.44 | rrrggghhh | WHAT?? |
| 19:04.58 | azeem | rrrggghhh: where did you download your ntfs-3g packages from |
| 19:05.10 | rrrggghhh | one of them from the main site |
| 19:05.15 | rrrggghhh | one from the backdoor repos |
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| 19:05.20 | abrotman | backports.org ? |
| 19:05.23 | azeem | rrrggghhh: what are backdoor repos? |
| 19:05.23 | rrrggghhh | yeah, sorry |
| 19:05.28 | azeem | d'oh |
| 19:05.34 | krime | Could anybody help me? |
| 19:05.37 | cbr | what should i do if my laptop screen doesnt turn off when i close the lid? |
| 19:05.37 | abrotman | rrrggghhh: so try to install the ones from backports.org |
| 19:05.39 | krime | Hello, I am trying to install "nmap, lastest stable version" on a Debian 3.1 box and it's giving me this error while "make'ing": http://rafb.net/p/Gm9JEF48.html |
| 19:05.43 | rrrggghhh | i did |
| 19:05.47 | rrrggghhh | unmet dependency that i have |
| 19:05.49 | abrotman | rrrggghhh: and show us the error |
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| 19:05.55 | rrrggghhh | should i just compile it from scratch |
| 19:05.57 | rrrggghhh | aka source |
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| 19:06.02 | azeem | rrrggghhh: 20:05 < abrotman> rrrggghhh: and show us the error |
| 19:06.16 | fat-lobyte | rrrggghhh: that would be the easiest way. Unmet dependencies can be hell. |
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| 19:06.23 | abrotman | krime: i'd ask the nmap people .. you're compiling that on sarge .. which IIRC is gcc3.x which might not be able to compile the source |
| 19:06.27 | rrrggghhh | "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: lifuse2" |
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| 19:06.40 | azeem | rrrggghhh: lifuse2? |
| 19:06.45 | torr | what's the best way to run a java app as service? is it that wrapper? |
| 19:06.45 | azeem | maybe you mean libfuse2 |
| 19:06.46 | rrrggghhh | libfuse2* |
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| 19:07.05 | smacnay_ | seems that /etc and /usr are ownership me:me and under /etc it is the sane.d dir that is ownership me:me. |
| 19:07.16 | krime | abrotman, I have two questions.. 1) Any ideas how could I compile it? 2) Where's the nmap people? |
| 19:07.28 | azeem | rrrggghhh: is that the WHOLE output? |
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| 19:07.45 | rrrggghhh | it's all that gdebi gives me |
| 19:07.53 | rrrggghhh | apt-cache search doesn't even think ntfs-3g exists |
| 19:08.17 | fat-lobyte | rrrggghhh: that's because its not in the repos because its not in the etch distribution. |
| 19:08.18 | azeem | rrrggghhh: probably you need libfuse2 from backports.org as well |
| 19:08.26 | rrrggghhh | gotcha |
| 19:08.27 | fat-lobyte | rrrggghhh: either get lenny or compile it yourself |
| 19:08.40 | abrotman | krime: 1) not really on a sarge box (though you should consider upgrading to etch anyways) 2) nope, i've never looked for their IRC channel though i assume they have mailing lists |
| 19:08.41 | rrrggghhh | is getting lenny |
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| 19:08.45 | rrrggghhh | obscenely complicated |
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| 19:09.02 | azeem | rrrggghhh: what does getting lenny have to do with this? |
| 19:09.11 | rrrggghhh | i don't know fat-lobyte told me to |
| 19:09.20 | azeem | eh |
| 19:09.23 | smacnay_ | Under /usr it is /lib, and under that it is /cups, /sane, and libmfp. |
| 19:09.26 | azeem | 20:07 < azeem> rrrggghhh: probably you need libfuse2 from backports.org as well |
| 19:09.27 | arussel | is it up to date ? http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 19:09.34 | sco50000 | what is the best ircd? |
| 19:09.34 | rrrggghhh | getting it |
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| 19:09.55 | mint | hey |
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| 19:14.36 | rrrggghhh | now it says all the dependencies are satisfied but fails to install anyway |
| 19:14.59 | azeem | rrrggghhh: try with dpkg -i and pastebin the full output |
| 19:15.00 | azeem | !paste |
| 19:15.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 19:15.36 | ris | chops: sorry had to go and nap. might do that. |
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| 19:16.06 | chops | ris: k |
| 19:16.35 | rrrggghhh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.35 | rrrggghhh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.45 | rrrggghhh | apt-get gave me version 2.5.3, so |
| 19:16.50 | jetscreamer | must be testing |
| 19:16.52 | rrrggghhh | i guess i have to install libfuse2 from backports too |
| 19:16.55 | jetscreamer | sid jus tdid that |
| 19:16.59 | azeem | rrrggghhh: eh, didn't I tell you that? |
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| 19:17.09 | rrrggghhh | i was pretty sure i did that |
| 19:17.09 | azeem | 20:08 < azeem> 20:07 < azeem> rrrggghhh: probably you need libfuse2 from backports.org as well |
| 19:17.18 | rrrggghhh | i'm losing my mind |
| 19:17.23 | azeem | well, apparently you weren't sure enough |
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| 19:18.30 | abrotman | there are instructions at backports.org that talk about pinning and tell you how to do this |
| 19:18.32 | administrator | hi |
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| 19:19.12 | administrator | i can't try to run the promise ex4350 under debian etch |
| 19:19.36 | administrator | i have load the stex modul |
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| 19:20.42 | arussel | I have debian testing. In source.list, mirror for testing and unstable. If I aptitude dist-upgrade, will it upgrade all to unstable ? |
| 19:20.51 | rrrggghhh | i might have gotten it to work |
| 19:20.59 | azeem | arussel: unless you use pinning, yes you will |
| 19:21.08 | rrrggghhh | nope |
| 19:21.10 | rrrggghhh | still can't mount it |
| 19:21.21 | arussel | azeem: thanks. |
| 19:21.24 | rrrggghhh | even with libfuse2, fuse-utils and ntfs-3g all from backports |
| 19:21.40 | azeem | !doesn't work |
| 19:21.40 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:22.01 | rrrggghhh | ok, i run mount- t ntfs volume dir |
| 19:22.05 | rrrggghhh | it gives me no output |
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| 19:22.13 | rrrggghhh | and then there's nothing in that directory |
| 19:22.17 | rrrggghhh | where there previously was |
| 19:22.19 | biz | dmesg? |
| 19:22.22 | abrotman | pcc1: there is a #alioth on irc.oftc.net .. or ask the -devel channel over there |
| 19:22.24 | azeem | what does "mount" say? |
| 19:22.45 | rrrggghhh | mount doesn't acknowledge the partition i'm trying to mount |
| 19:23.06 | rrrggghhh | i'm trying to mount /dev/sdb1 and it skips to /dev/sdb3 |
| 19:23.28 | pcc1 | abrotman: thanks. I asked my question to devel though :) |
| 19:23.32 | azeem | rrrggghhh: eh? |
| 19:23.44 | rrrggghhh | if i open up gparted and look for that partition |
| 19:23.45 | azeem | rrrggghhh: what do you mean with "it skips to /dev/sdb3"? |
| 19:23.47 | rrrggghhh | it says |
| 19:23.50 | abrotman | pcc1: you're not on OFTC .. you're on freenode .. the -devel channel on OFTC is much larger |
| 19:24.06 | rrrggghhh | Unable to read the contents of this filesystem! Because of this some operations may be unavailable. Did you install the correct plugin for this file system? |
| 19:24.16 | biz | rrrggghhh: pastebin 'fdisk -l /dev/sdb', 'mount' and the error out of 'dmesg' |
| 19:24.37 | pcc1 | abrotman: ah yes I missed that part |
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| 19:26.14 | rrrggghhh | err should i be grepping dmesg |
| 19:26.21 | rrrggghhh | there's pages upon pages of output |
| 19:26.31 | azeem | rrrggghhh: paste the last 30 lines or so |
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| 19:27.32 | sco50000 | what is the best ircd? |
| 19:27.53 | zinx | !best |
| 19:27.53 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 19:28.14 | rrrggghhh | http://pastebin.com/d211c3c74 |
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| 19:29.10 | oobe | hello i require technical support for my debian operating system |
| 19:29.15 | sco50000 | zinx: i'm just asking your opinions |
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| 19:29.24 | rrrggghhh | oobe: unplug it and burn it |
| 19:29.24 | biz | rrrggghhh: why don't you use ntfs-3g? |
| 19:29.26 | zinx | sco50000: that's an excellent way to start a war :) |
| 19:29.33 | rrrggghhh | i've been trying to do that, biz |
| 19:29.41 | oobe | rrrggghhh, im sure that will not work |
| 19:30.05 | azeem | rrrggghhh: if you give people misleading advise, you'll be removed from this channel |
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| 19:31.22 | biz | rrrggghhh: ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/bla |
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| 19:31.34 | sco50000 | well, what do you think is the best ircd to use on my home computer, that will work well with debian and be easy to configure and administrate? |
| 19:31.36 | fat-lobyte | rrrggghhh: try that: "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/bla" |
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| 19:31.51 | rrrggghhh | Volume is scheduled for check. Please boot into Windows TWICE, or |
| 19:31.51 | rrrggghhh | use the 'force' mount option. For example type on the command line: |
| 19:32.05 | rrrggghhh | should i be worried about this |
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| 19:32.44 | fat-lobyte | rrrggghhh: that means your filesystem is "incosistent", speaking in windows terms. Just boot into windows and everything will be fine. |
| 19:32.51 | rrrggghhh | gotcha |
| 19:32.56 | rrrggghhh | thanks for the help debian people |
| 19:32.59 | biz | rrrggghhh: do what it says if possible. boot windows, it will check the fs, boot again to be sure its fine and umounted properly, boot debian, run 'ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/bla' |
| 19:33.05 | zinx | sco50000: i'd go with hybrid personally, but i don't know that it's particularly easy to configure/administrate |
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| 19:33.46 | sco50000 | zinx: okay, i'll try hybrid |
| 19:33.50 | zinx | sco50000: you can get a list of ircds in your particular release by doing 'apt-cache search ircd' |
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| 19:34.12 | zinx | sco50000: i'm sure there are various sites describing their features / ease of use / reliability / etc |
| 19:35.05 | fat-lobyte | My sound card can only be accessed by one process at the time. What's the problem? how can i change that? |
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| 19:37.36 | torr | what's the best way to run a java app as service? is it that wrapper? |
| 19:37.58 | Miesco | Is there any channels that support midi and sound questions? |
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| 19:43.10 | aoupi | hi, who made screen? |
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| 19:43.37 | biz | minus198_: this is related to your setup. ask #nvidia - its all about xinerama OR nvidia twinview OR 2 parallel x screens. If you're using one of the first two, be sure your window manager can handle the viewspace infos. In many cases (openbox for example), you can edit the source to force fullscreen on one screen to remain only on this one |
| 19:43.51 | aoupi | n/m, figured it out :) |
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| 19:44.02 | minus198_ | biz, ok |
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| 19:47.48 | jelly-home | !test |
| 19:47.49 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 19:51.37 | minus198_ | !test |
| 19:51.37 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 19:53.12 | the-Shadow | tell the-Shadow about cons |
| 19:53.20 | the-Shadow | tell about cons |
| 19:53.28 | karsten | Can someone confirm a crash in Konqueror on this site: http://optionarmageddon.blogspot.com/2008/01/where-is-government.html?ref=patrick.net Konqueror 3.5.8, Sid, x86. |
| 19:53.30 | the-Shadow | !tell the-Shadow about cons |
| 19:53.33 | the-Shadow | !tell about cons |
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| 19:53.57 | my007ms | how i can do something like "yum search" |
| 19:54.16 | mage | apt-cache search whatever I think |
| 19:54.20 | karsten | !tell my007ms about search |
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| 19:55.57 | pumpkin0 | hi there. I have > 800 offline html-pages and need a search-engine for them. I want fuzzy searching, ie. searching exact and near hits. What package should i use ? |
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| 19:56.15 | my007ms | what is the packed that install erlc and erl |
| 19:56.42 | jelly-home | !tell my007ms about search |
| 19:56.59 | jelly-home | oh scheisse |
| 19:56.59 | my007ms | jelly-home, i search |
| 19:57.20 | jelly-home | yeah, sorry for that; apparently I can't read |
| 19:57.30 | my007ms | i find only erlang-doc-html - Erlang HTML page and erlang-manpages - Erlang man pages |
| 19:58.01 | jelly-home | !find /bin/erl |
| 19:58.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/bin/erl' (2): (/usr/bin/erlang-depends) in interpreters/erlang-dev ;; (/usr/bin/{erl|erl_call|erlc}, /usr/lib/erlang/bin/{erl|erlc}, /usr/lib/erlang/lib/erl_interface-3.5.5.3/bin/erl_call) in interpreters/erlang-base,interpreters/erlang-base-hipe. |
| 19:58.33 | jelly-home | so, "erlang-base" |
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| 19:59.28 | oobe | hello i require technical support for my debian operating system |
| 19:59.41 | azeem | !ask |
| 19:59.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:59.43 | jelly-home | my007ms: apt-file would have told you that, btw |
| 20:00.06 | my007ms | thanks jelly-home |
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| 20:03.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's "technical support"...? Seems he's wrong here for that... we just chat along, don't we? ... answering all kinds of questions as we go along, though |
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| 20:04.11 | IronManMario | hello |
| 20:04.22 | jelly-home | um, AFAIK we don't really "chat along". People ask questions, and other answer if they can. |
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| 20:04.48 | IronManMario | I'm trying to download the debian image on ftp, but if I try opening cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/ in ftp it just says 'unknown host' |
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| 20:05.11 | Squee | Does anyone know of a good open source torrent tracker? |
| 20:06.35 | IronManMario | It opens in my broswer though. wtf |
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| 20:06.54 | azeem | IronManMario: usually, you need to connect to the ftp server first (cdimage.debian.org), then cd to the directory |
| 20:07.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | IronManMario: or your DNS is not set up correctly... cdimage.debian.org exists |
| 20:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, ok |
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| 20:07.56 | biz | IronManMario: or write ftp:// in front so your browser knows its an ftp host |
| 20:08.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | will read faster next time :) |
| 20:08.04 | spq | i have problems with php, the /tmp dir is mounted via nfs and php hangs when i start a session with session_start |
| 20:08.08 | IronManMario | ok |
| 20:08.18 | wols | Squee: http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/opentracker/ |
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| 20:09.15 | seven-e | i got a question regarding split files.. I got a big .nrg file but its split up in this way: .nrg.001 .nrg.002 how can I merge these files to one .nrg file ? |
| 20:09.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | who on earth would mount /tmp by nfs |
| 20:09.41 | buu | seven-e: Sounds like a rar split. |
| 20:09.49 | wols | seven-e: most probably a rar file or such |
| 20:09.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | seven-e: if it's just split... cat *.nrg.* > file |
| 20:10.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... sounds like.. wossname hjsplit or what they call it |
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| 20:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | rar would do myfile.part1.rar myfile.part2.rar or myfile.rar myfile.r00 myfile.r01 |
| 20:11.04 | seven-e | im not quite sure.. I just think its a split .nrg file, not a rar cause I had to downloaded in parts |
| 20:11.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | what the heck is nrg, though |
| 20:11.46 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: nero |
| 20:11.51 | wols | seven-e: man file |
| 20:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ag |
| 20:11.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
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| 20:12.30 | wols | proprietary shitsoftware needs proprietary file formats so you keep using their shitty software |
| 20:12.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | seven-e: well, try concatenating it with cat and see if you can open it... you have got multiple tries... so no harm done :) |
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| 20:12.50 | seven-e | the files dont have a .rar extension. So I should use the cat command CutMeOwnThroat ? |
| 20:13.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if it's nero... what will you do with that file anyways? |
| 20:13.19 | wols | extensions are meaningless |
| 20:13.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's probably no other way to open it but nero, then |
| 20:13.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that might take care of the split itself... |
| 20:14.23 | f00bar80 | I'm using debian sarge, Is there a specified log where can i check for ipmasq status, i greped log/messages for iptables or ipmasq didn't find something that match, also enouf mentioned yesterday that it could be in /var/cache/*/dhcp.leases, always i didn't find anything, and that's also with ipmasq man nothing more than verbose and rules .., any comment ? |
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| 20:15.36 | seven-e | CutMeOwnThroat: you can strip the iso from an nrg file |
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| 20:15.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm blissfully free of any imasq knowledge :) |
| 20:16.24 | filipe_ | What would you suggest for software to setup a VPN? |
| 20:16.26 | TurboBeee | does anyone here have experience with clonezilla/drbl? I'm trying to get it to read from /home/partimag (I mounted /dev/sda4 to that directory) and it keeps reading from the directory that root is mounted to instead. |
| 20:16.37 | sco50000 | is there a thing like WINE to run mac programs on linux? |
| 20:16.44 | filipe_ | I want to be able to access it using the native MacOSX VPN client |
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| 20:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | sco50000: not as such... there are more vmware like approaches like bochs |
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| 20:17.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | sco50000: ops, sorry, bochs is x86 emulator... got that mixed up in my memory |
| 20:18.04 | sco50000 | CutMeOwnThroat: woudn't it be loical that mac would be easier to do something like WINE fore, cuz it's based on linux or bsd or something? |
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| 20:18.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | sco50000: depends... if you want to run it on a pc, it should be a lot harder, because macs use a different processor (and other hardware) |
| 20:19.07 | f00bar80 | ppl any comment ? |
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| 20:19.28 | sco50000 | CutMeOwnThroat: but is it possible with VMware? |
| 20:19.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh |
| 20:20.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm taking everything back I said... I'm too tired and should shut up :) |
| 20:20.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | vmware is also simulating x86 hardware |
| 20:20.24 | IronManMario | 220-Unfortunately your IP-address and the name in the DNS doesn't match, |
| 20:20.24 | IronManMario | 220-which causes our security-measures to prevent your login. |
| 20:20.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | but there was something emulating a mac, I though |
| 20:20.29 | IronManMario | What does that mean |
| 20:20.45 | beware | forward and reverse dns mismatch, probably |
| 20:20.54 | beware | which program is this in |
| 20:20.59 | IronManMario | ftp |
| 20:21.17 | beware | what kind of host are you running your client from |
| 20:21.27 | \amethyst | IronManMario: because your IP address reverses to pool-70-110-109-165.pghk.east.verizon.net |
| 20:21.35 | \amethyst | IronManMario: but that hostname does not resolve |
| 20:21.44 | \amethyst | IronManMario: complain to your ISP |
| 20:21.46 | beware | it resolves for me |
| 20:21.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | sco50000: well, mac != mac also.. look at the basilisk2 package... a "68k Macintosh emulator" |
| 20:22.11 | minus198 | I cant eject a CD. A popup says: "An application is preventing the volume 'WoWDisc1' from being unmounted". And I guess its the "World of Warcraft" installer or wine that prevents it from being unmounted. How do I forceeject it? |
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| 20:22.30 | f00bar80 | ppl any comment ? |
| 20:22.34 | f00bar80 | I'm using debian sarge, Is there a specified log where can i check for ipmasq status, i greped log/messages for iptables or ipmasq didn't find something that match, also enouf mentioned yesterday that it could be in /var/cache/*/dhcp.leases, always i didn't find anything, and that's also with ipmasq man nothing more than verbose and rules .., any comment ? |
| 20:22.36 | azeem | minus198: end the installer |
| 20:22.37 | \amethyst | beware: hm... |
| 20:22.39 | filipe_ | Doesn't resolve here also |
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| 20:23.04 | \amethyst | beware: yeah, if I use ns2.verizon.net as the DNS it works |
| 20:23.07 | beware | then it probably only resolved for some people |
| 20:23.07 | minus198 | azeem, Well.. that will leave me with an incomplete installation of WoW |
| 20:23.13 | IronManMario | Darnit, I can't see what's in /root |
| 20:23.18 | minus198 | azeem, and I don't want that |
| 20:23.28 | beware | pool-70-110-109-165.pghk.east.verizon.net. 86400 IN A 70.110.109.165 |
| 20:23.35 | beware | for me it resolves normally. |
| 20:23.37 | sco50000 | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm, i don't have a basilisk package in my repos |
| 20:23.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | sco50000: also perhaps ... gxemul? but hardware emulators always mean yuo have to install the complete operating system... |
| 20:23.45 | IronManMario | ya it worked now |
| 20:23.45 | beware | im not saying youre wrong, but this means theres some sort of a desync |
| 20:23.47 | \amethyst | beware: but if I look it up through ns1.bellatlantic.net it doesn't work |
| 20:23.48 | azeem | minus198: then don't remove the CD |
| 20:23.50 | azeem | minus198: d'oh |
| 20:24.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | sco50000: basilisk2 (!) |
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| 20:24.17 | sco50000 | CutMeOwnThroat: i did apt-cache search basilisk |
| 20:24.25 | martian67 | can i assign two mac addresses to the same ethernet interface? |
| 20:24.29 | sco50000 | CutMeOwnThroat: but gxemul is there |
| 20:24.47 | minus198 | azeem, How am I supposed to be able to finish the installation if I cant insert CD 2,3 and 4 ? |
| 20:24.49 | beware | whine at the ISP |
| 20:25.27 | azeem | minus198: dunno |
| 20:25.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | sco50000: and qemu |
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| 20:26.08 | minus198 | solved it |
| 20:26.11 | sco50000 | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for telling me about all these emus |
| 20:26.17 | minus198 | "umount -l" is your savior |
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| 20:27.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | sco50000: it's a lot of hassle, though, afaik... not comparable to wine in any way... mostly you really simulate a complete computer |
| 20:27.50 | sco50000 | CutMeOwnThroat: i know |
| 20:28.11 | sco50000 | how do i chack my kernel version? |
| 20:28.36 | beware | uname -r |
| 20:28.37 | f00bar80 | sco50000: uname -a |
| 20:28.52 | sco50000 | f00bar80: thanks |
| 20:29.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | martian67: no, but to the same card |
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| 20:30.18 | deejoe | squashfs vs zisofs--anyone have a pointer to a recent compare-and-contrast article, or have other pointers as to comparative strengths and weaknesses? |
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| 20:36.21 | FinnTux | how do I tell open-iscsi to login to targets in certain order (using etch on both ends) |
| 20:36.43 | justin | FinnTux: why? |
| 20:37.08 | FinnTux | I want certain target to become /dev/sdb etc |
| 20:37.16 | justin | FinnTux: you probably don't |
| 20:37.33 | justin | FinnTux: instead you can mount things by label or id |
| 20:37.35 | fifafrazer | Hey.. If I download the debian-xfce-cd1 and choose to install the desktop environment using the debian installer, will xfce then be installed on the computer? |
| 20:38.05 | FinnTux | actually I'm not mounting them. I using them for wmware |
| 20:38.08 | FinnTux | I'm* |
| 20:38.21 | fifafrazer | and what does Desktop Environment mean? Is it also a word processer, graphics editor, or just the base? |
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| 20:38.29 | FinnTux | ie. sdb for virtual machine, sdc -> another virtual machine etc |
| 20:38.32 | justin | FinnTux: you should be able to also tell vmware to use them by id or label :) |
| 20:38.39 | justin | FinnTux: see /dev/disk/ |
| 20:38.54 | FinnTux | yep. just crossed my mind that I should be able to do that :) |
| 20:39.07 | mnvl | can anyone recommend a gui based package for converting/burning video files to dvd? |
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| 20:41.30 | FinnTux | mnvl, projectx, avidemux, qdvdauthor |
| 20:41.45 | FinnTux | mnvl, dvdwizard is nice but it is command line tool |
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| 20:42.40 | ward__ | mnvl, mencoder is also good to convert |
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| 20:43.00 | ward__ | ffmpeg can do it too i think |
| 20:43.05 | ward__ | long time since i needed to convert |
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| 20:43.42 | FinnTux | ward__, those are not the best examples of gui based tools though :) |
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| 20:44.37 | ward__ | FinnTux, i know but they are definitely worth looking at |
| 20:44.46 | thechef | Why is Emulate3Buttons the default? |
| 20:45.12 | Max_- | A little question... can I easily boot a linux system on /dev/sdb1 from the debian CD boot: prompt? If so, how can I do? |
| 20:45.25 | FinnTux | ward__, yes, thats true but they can be a shock for a non-experienced user at first |
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| 20:46.10 | ward__ | FinnTux, he can choose, choice is good, avidemux was allready mentioned (which i also like) |
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| 20:46.48 | pumpkin0 | i need/want a rcp that does not encrypt stuff. It's running over a local, trusted network and the "server" does not have enough CPU-power to push more then 1 MB/s over rcp. |
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| 20:49.35 | minus198 | why does the font, in qt application that are running under gnome, look alised? |
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| 20:49.42 | minus198 | is there a way to get it antialised |
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| 20:50.14 | minus198 | aliased* |
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| 20:54.06 | FinnTux | justin, apparenty vmware won't accept by-id or by-path disks |
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| 20:54.18 | FinnTux | "unable to determine the bus type of device ..." |
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| 20:54.48 | bwlang_ | i'd like to back up to amazon's s3... there are lots of clients (jungledisk, brackup, etc.) anybody tried this? |
| 20:55.26 | FinnTux | this is vmware 1.0.4 server |
| 20:56.02 | themill | FinnTux: Sounds like a question for #vmware |
| 20:56.25 | FinnTux | yup |
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| 21:03.04 | beni- | hello. i'm trying to install debian (net-install), using a USB-keyboard. i can access the bios with F2, so the computer seems to recognize the USB-keyboard. but as soon as the debian installation starts (and is waiting for ENTER), the keyboard doesn't work anymore. what could be wrong? |
| 21:03.34 | abrotman | does the usb have a legacy mode? |
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| 21:05.34 | seven-e | what would you recommence for burning ISO's ? |
| 21:05.44 | amphi | wodim |
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| 21:06.19 | seven-e | cool |
| 21:06.40 | themill | seven-e: or k3b. |
| 21:06.56 | themill | seven-e: (which uses wodim, but who can be bothered with the syntax for that thing) |
| 21:07.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... was just about to say... which probably uses wodim :) |
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| 21:09.02 | martian67 | themill, k3b uses cdrecord or cdrdao |
| 21:09.07 | seven-e | I used wodim -isosize FILE to burn the iso.. correct ? |
| 21:09.41 | beni- | abrotman, legacy was disabled. i enabled it. now it seems to work. thanks :-) |
| 21:09.49 | abrotman | beni-: enjoy! |
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| 21:11.09 | seven-e | themill: I used wodim -isosize to burn the iso image. is this correct ? |
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| 21:12.58 | themill | martian67: it uses wodim for burning normal cds. It also depends on cdrdao but I don't know what it uses it for these days. It does not depend on cdrecord so presumably doesn't use it despite what the package description says. |
| 21:13.08 | seven-e | in what mode should I burn a bootable iso file ? tao, dao, sao, raw ? |
| 21:13.20 | martian67 | themill, it can probly use multiple tools |
| 21:13.21 | Overshard | Hey, I'm trying to get python-clutter to work with libclutter-0.5-0 which i have installed but when i try to install python-clutter it wants to install and download libclutter-0.4-0 with it and won't use 0.5-0 |
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| 21:15.26 | themill | martian67: on debian, it uses /usr/bin/wodim as the cdrecord binary. You can configure it to do otherwise, but you'll still need wodim installed due to the package deps. |
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| 21:15.59 | martian67 | i was speaking of a vanillia compile, but yes that makes snese |
| 21:16.01 | martian67 | *sense |
| 21:16.40 | themill | esp after the cdrecord => wodim fun and games ;) |
| 21:17.17 | seven-e | ok cool... Im burning a cd with wodim and my driver just stuck now |
| 21:17.59 | skillii | hi, has anyone of you installed a pptp-server? I have really problems to get it working(I can't connect to the connect to the server, and when I make a portscan on my server there is no pptp-port open!) |
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| 21:24.41 | jbt | what would be the name of perl modules on debian, e.g iptables::IPV4 |
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| 21:24.52 | gino | hi |
| 21:25.21 | gino | some one knows whwre is loop in menuconfig... to compile kernel with loop support? |
| 21:25.43 | jelly-home | gino use / to search |
| 21:25.54 | jelly-home | ... at least in recent kernels |
| 21:26.03 | gino | thanx |
| 21:26.35 | gino | im compiled my kernet 3 o 4 day a go .. and rentenly can mount iso file and :D loop not compile |
| 21:26.57 | jelly-home | modprobe loop? |
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| 21:27.07 | jetscreamer | i want to say it's in the fs section but i can't remember |
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| 21:27.23 | jetscreamer | grep the .config |
| 21:27.24 | jelly-home | if you used Debian's .config as a starting point, it would be modularized |
| 21:27.34 | Gambaroni | Someone that have installed trac on debian? How do I do? |
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| 21:28.20 | themill | Gambaroni: "aptitude install trac" would be one place to start... |
| 21:29.01 | Tramp | gino: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP - so somewhere under block devices |
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| 21:29.25 | gino | devices drivers block... there is |
| 21:29.27 | gino | very thanx |
| 21:29.35 | gino | i dont know about / :D |
| 21:30.07 | Gambaroni | ok |
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| 21:31.06 | asusu | !sources.list |
| 21:31.06 | dpkg | it has been said that sources.list is the list of repositories for installing packages. /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and ... |
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| 21:33.18 | helo | anyone know how to open up a CPU to look at the actual processor inside? |
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| 21:34.42 | Eulex_ | I advice asking in #hardware |
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| 21:43.06 | wols | hellnet: razo blades usually. check overclocking circles |
| 21:43.16 | wols | they do it to get rid of the IHS |
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| 21:43.37 | wols | was sorta popular with P4s. not anymore |
| 21:43.37 | Annirak | Anyone have a suggestion on how to find the IP of a box, given it's MAC? It's physically connected to the local network. It's online, it should have an open SSH port. I have no idea what its IP is, it may not even be on my subnet. How do I go about finding it? |
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| 21:44.05 | heiner | !ds |
| 21:44.05 | dpkg | ds was a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds or just use this "dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} t${Package} t${Status} n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less" |
| 21:44.43 | dkr | Annirak: look at your arp cache: arp -a |
| 21:45.01 | dkr | or use arping |
| 21:45.08 | Annirak | dkr: I don't know if it's on the same subnet |
| 21:45.18 | dkr | then you can't find it |
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| 21:45.52 | Annirak | Well, there is a way, it's just incredibly slow |
| 21:46.21 | dkr | you can't find it based on MAC if not on same network, that information is not rebroadcast |
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| 21:46.41 | hughw | hi all |
| 21:47.06 | Annirak | I could do it by reconfiguring my interface with a script and using nmap to scan for it. |
| 21:47.30 | Annirak | I'm reasonably certain that its netmask is either /24 or /16 |
| 21:47.50 | dkr | oh, you mean it is on the same physical network, but might have an ip address for the wrong subnet? |
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| 21:47.58 | hughw | I want to archive old files on my file server by moving them to a different location, but with the same file structure, based on the date they were last accessed. Is there a ready-made tool available for that, or would I have to write a BASH script? |
| 21:48.14 | filipe_ | What's the best software to use if I want users to be able to connect to my VPN using only a username and a password? |
| 21:48.29 | Tramp | dkr: [22:43:38] <Annirak> Anyone have a suggestion on how to find the IP of a box, given it's MAC? It's physically connected to the local network. |
| 21:48.30 | Annirak | dkr yes. It's physically on my LAN, but I don't know what subnet it's on or which netmask it's using |
| 21:48.35 | dkr | filipe_: openvpn |
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| 21:48.46 | filipe_ | dkr: how is that? |
| 21:48.48 | hughw | filipe, OpenVPN |
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| 21:48.56 | dkr | filipe_: by configuring it that way |
| 21:48.57 | filipe_ | dkr: it seemed to me it only works with certificates, not with passwords |
| 21:50.12 | dkr | Annirak: arping |
| 21:50.13 | hughw | filipe_, but OpenVPN uses SSH to achieve security. So whatever SSH can do, OpenVPN can do. |
| 21:50.23 | justin | openvpn uses SSL, not SSH |
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| 21:50.31 | hughw | Oh yes, sorry. SSL |
| 21:50.34 | hughw | oops |
| 21:50.36 | squidly | hello |
| 21:50.49 | filipe_ | Is there any server that can be used with the VPN clients that exist in windows and macosx natively? |
| 21:50.53 | squidly | does anyone konw if there is a package for the pads-archiver? |
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| 21:51.19 | squidly | filipe_: pptp can be used by both IIRC |
| 21:51.36 | squidly | though i'm not sure about OSX (i'm not using it) |
| 21:51.41 | dkr | doesn't openvpn have win32 and mac clients? |
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| 21:51.56 | petemc | it sure does |
| 21:51.58 | squidly | dkr: yes it does. I think he was looking for something that does not require an install |
| 21:52.00 | filipe_ | dkr: yes but they don't come with the OS |
| 21:52.17 | dkr | oh, that kind of "native", heh |
| 21:52.57 | filipe_ | besides with openvpn there are serious DNS issues |
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| 21:53.20 | filipe_ | (as in you have to set it up by hand) |
| 21:53.45 | squidly | filipe_: what kind of vpn server are you connecting to? |
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| 21:54.21 | filipe_ | squidly: i have openvpn setup using certificates |
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| 21:54.44 | squidly | filipe_: ok. well with windows you can do pptp or IPsec |
| 21:55.52 | squidly | i'm not 100% sure how you can do that setup with OSX, but with OSX being BSD based you can use the ppp packages to get a pptp client, IIRC it has it avaliable in the default install, but fair warning I'm not OSX expert. I also believe that you can do IPSec as well |
| 21:55.55 | filipe_ | squidly: so that linux server can do IPsec with username/password? |
| 21:55.56 | Annirak | dkr: what's the format requirement for "destintation" the arping man page isn't clear on that |
| 21:56.05 | squidly | yes |
| 21:56.15 | filipe_ | squidly: which server? |
| 21:56.18 | squidly | but with Certs you dont have to use the usename/password |
| 21:56.29 | filipe_ | squidly: certs was what i had but i want user/pass |
| 21:56.48 | squidly | ahh ok. Then yes you can switch to username/password |
| 21:56.50 | filipe_ | squidly: which IPsec server supports user/pass? |
| 21:57.01 | squidly | iirc all of them should be able to. |
| 21:57.13 | filipe_ | squidly: I haven't found any et |
| 21:57.16 | justin | that is called XAUTH, which has it's own issues |
| 21:57.36 | filipe_ | Hybrid XAUTH it seems |
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| 21:57.38 | squidly | justin: depends on how its setup |
| 21:57.46 | justin | squidly: almost always wrong :) |
| 21:58.01 | squidly | justin: correct |
| 21:58.21 | filipe_ | the issues seem that it's vulnerable after you know the PSK that can be sniffed if it's not strong |
| 21:58.22 | squidly | that I blame on the documentation of the system ;) |
| 21:58.23 | filipe_ | or so i heard |
| 21:58.27 | justin | openSSH 4 can actually be used to setup a real vpn |
| 21:58.40 | dkr | Annirak: same format as arp -an outputs |
| 21:58.56 | filipe_ | so what linux server supports XAUTH? |
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| 21:59.15 | stiv2k | hey why does netbeans require JDK? |
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| 22:00.43 | TurboBeee | in webmin, can someone tell me the difference between mail aliases and mail users? I mean I know what a mail alias is supposed to do, but it appears that all the email accounts on my server are using mail aliases. |
| 22:00.58 | squidly | TurboBeee: an alias is just a pointer to another account |
| 22:01.14 | squidly | a user is an actualy login for that email account |
| 22:01.31 | TurboBeee | so is it pointing to the local linux account login then? |
| 22:01.53 | squidly | TurboBeee: that depends on the servers setup.. but that is one way |
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| 22:01.58 | dkr | and an alias can point to more than one other alias or account |
| 22:02.04 | TurboBeee | i see |
| 22:02.10 | petemc | with exim, you can have an alias file in the form of user: /path/to/mailbox/ |
| 22:02.24 | squidly | with postfix you have /etc/aliases |
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| 22:02.32 | TurboBeee | so if all my users are added as aliases, how do i add a new email? |
| 22:02.36 | keseldude | hey quick question: I'm using the business card installation and it's taking a very long time to load initrd.gz... is this normal or should i force a reboot? |
| 22:02.49 | squidly | keseldude: how long? |
| 22:02.58 | keseldude | around 15 minutes |
| 22:03.05 | azeem | TurboBeee: webmin isn't supported here, it's not in Debian |
| 22:03.05 | hughw | bye |
| 22:03.14 | squidly | TurboBeee: make a new user and set their login to /bin/false so they ssh to the box. |
| 22:03.20 | azeem | TurboBeee: I suggest you consult its documentation, if any, or contact the authors |
| 22:03.24 | TurboBeee | squidly, thanks |
| 22:03.33 | TurboBeee | azeem, I've been helped already thank you for your concern |
| 22:04.04 | squidly | TurboBeee: np |
| 22:04.21 | squidly | but fyi.. I hate webmin. its a piece of junk about as good as M$ |
| 22:04.24 | filipe_ | Anyone knows any IPsec server with XAUTH support for linux? |
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| 22:04.36 | squidly | filipe_: iirc openvpn can do it |
| 22:04.42 | squidly | now the freeswan is dead |
| 22:04.57 | TurboBeee | squidly, I don't like it either, if it were up to me I wouldn't allow it to be on any server that I admin. |
| 22:05.00 | keseldude | squidly: any idea? |
| 22:05.39 | filipe_ | squidly: i don't think openvpn can do IPsec |
| 22:05.44 | squidly | keseldude: force the reboot it should not take that long |
| 22:05.51 | keseldude | ok |
| 22:05.54 | keseldude | the dots are moving |
| 22:05.56 | squidly | filipe_: let me double check. I've not done openvpn in a while |
| 22:06.03 | keseldude | they've started on a new line |
| 22:06.12 | squidly | keseldude: ok.. how much ram and cpu on the box? |
| 22:06.21 | keseldude | 2gb and dual core 2.13ghz |
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| 22:06.48 | squidly | filipe_: check out strongswan (and google :D) |
| 22:07.08 | squidly | keseldude: well if its moveing it may just be slow.. but if the lines are going then It could be fine |
| 22:07.45 | filipe_ | squidly: i'm doing it |
| 22:07.48 | squidly | keseldude: the cd could be dirty, or the cdrom could be bad. I've seen that |
| 22:07.54 | filipe_ | squidly: but it seems like a messy world |
| 22:08.00 | keseldude | oh really |
| 22:08.04 | keseldude | it is an old cd-rw |
| 22:08.24 | squidly | filipe_: lol yep it is |
| 22:08.42 | squidly | keseldude: it could be. I've seen that.. also you may have a bad burn. |
| 22:08.57 | keseldude | should I just put it on a new cd? |
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| 22:09.01 | keseldude | -_- |
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| 22:10.10 | akuwamari | what i have to install to see 3D desktop |
| 22:10.12 | akuwamari | veril? |
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| 22:10.32 | muhkuh | hey there |
| 22:10.41 | muhkuh | i messed up mz GUI |
| 22:10.55 | muhkuh | with plazin on the Xserver |
| 22:11.01 | linux2 | anyone know how I can get compiz to work on a dual screen setup. It appears to load ok but it only makes window outlines (buttons and all) on screen 0 and not screen 1. Any ideas? I am using compiz-fusion |
| 22:11.07 | muhkuh | runnin a kubuntu live cd right now |
| 22:12.31 | muhkuh | i was trzin to get mz preconfiguring back but then it was over |
| 22:12.43 | Annirak | I found my box by getting the network admin to send me the dhcp table |
| 22:12.45 | Annirak | win! |
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| 22:14.22 | orveldv | I know that is recommended to use aptitude instead of apt-get but why is mixing them a problem, and how badly can I expect things to break if I do mix them? |
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| 22:15.33 | \amethyst | orveldv: because, until lenny, apt-get doesn't distinguish between manually- and automatically-installed packages, but aptitude does |
| 22:16.01 | \amethyst | orveldv: so when you install something with apt-get, aptitude might decide it was automatically installed and that you don't need it anymore |
| 22:17.09 | orveldv | \amethyst: ah ok I see then ; it's just a automation problem ; not bad. Thank you |
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| 22:18.32 | `Abo | Hi, I've just finished a fresh install of debian 4 using a netinstall cd, I'v configured my network card in the menu but internet is not working, how do I manyallt configure my network card |
| 22:18.35 | `Abo | I'm new to debian |
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| 22:21.19 | pfo | hey guys - does anybody know of a app which is kinda a replacement for fineprint 2000? (need 2/4/8 pages on one page printing) |
| 22:21.44 | beni- | hm my router has DHCP (and that is working with my notebook), but the debian netinst can't get a IP from DHCP. can anyone help me fixing this? |
| 22:22.01 | themill | pfo: psnup can do that for you from the command line; kprinter can do it from a nice gui |
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| 22:23.44 | muh2000 | hmmm syncookies on or off? |
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| 22:25.09 | beni- | syncookies? |
| 22:25.34 | pfo | themill: thx! kprinter is really nice; i overlooked the option for multiple pages per sheet in the first place. |
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| 22:25.55 | themill | :) |
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| 22:27.04 | tobo | since http://home-tj.org/wiki/index.php/Libata-tj-stable is "down", does anyone know an alternative place where I can download the libata tj patch for 2.6.23?? |
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| 22:27.34 | `Abo | how do I configure my network card? |
| 22:27.48 | Reedy_Boy | ifconfig.. |
| 22:27.57 | themill | !tell `Abo about interfaces |
| 22:28.16 | Reedy_Boy | Hi, wonder if someone can help me. The drive space minus the used space doesnt equal the avaliable space on my debian NSLU2 |
| 22:28.22 | Reedy_Boy | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 22:28.23 | Reedy_Boy | /dev/sdb1 459G 199M 435G 1% /mnt/mybook |
| 22:28.23 | Reedy_Boy | 459G - 199M != 435G |
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| 22:28.47 | Reedy_Boy | Anyone any ideas why? As that cant be right |
| 22:29.03 | dkr | Reedy_Boy: paet is reserved space, by default usually 5% |
| 22:29.07 | dkr | part |
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| 22:29.13 | muh2000 | beni http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syn_cookies |
| 22:29.25 | muh2000 | beni-: ^^ |
| 22:29.30 | tdrusk | Hey all. I have used Debian before, but only etch. I am thinking about trying out lenny since it's been out for a while and hopefully will work good with my computer. The best version of Linux yet on my computer was Ubuntu Feisty and Fedora 8. My main complaint with Gutsy's new kernel is it doesn't hibernate for me. Does Lenny compare more to Feisty or gutsy? |
| 22:29.30 | dkr | another part is filesystem overhead |
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| 22:29.43 | real0ne | hello |
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| 22:29.57 | jetscreamer | how much of kde4 has made it's way into sid? i see 5 new packages atm |
| 22:30.00 | Reedy_Boy | dkr, ah ok.. That makes sense - The 500gb to 459 i knew would happen, normal overheads and such |
| 22:30.07 | real0ne | i want to know the adress of my usb |
| 22:30.07 | Reedy_Boy | just not the other 25GB |
| 22:30.09 | real0ne | plz |
| 22:30.22 | tobo | does anyone have the liabata tj patch for 2.6.23 and can send it to me or put it on a website for a short while? |
| 22:30.37 | dkr | Reedy_Boy: no, that 500 to 459 is due to binary vs decimal numbering. |
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| 22:30.42 | tobo | I need the PMP functionality in that patch |
| 22:30.56 | tdrusk | Does the lenny kernel compare to Ubuntu Gutsy or Feisty? |
| 22:30.57 | jetscreamer | lsusb maybe real0nemediaplayer |
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| 22:31.26 | jetscreamer | tdrusk: ubuntu is mostly like sid, so probably more like gutsy but i'm guessing |
| 22:31.59 | jetscreamer | tdrusk: just look at the version numbers, it's the same damn kernel... same damn packages.. same damn packaging system.. same damn.... |
| 22:32.21 | Reedy_Boy | dkr, ok, i was expecting that loss anyway |
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| 22:33.46 | `Abo | do I need to run something else I have configured my network but I still don't see the others comp on my lan, tryed to ping and the host is unreachable |
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| 22:34.06 | Ch0Hag | What's the difference between mbox, status mbox and maintainer mbox on bugs.d.o? |
| 22:34.11 | movedx_ | ah 4.0 is the latest release... hmm. would I still be OK installing Debian from this old 3.1 boot-only CD I have |
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| 22:34.35 | Ch0Hag | movedx_: Install a bare-bones system and dist-upgrade. |
| 22:34.46 | jetscreamer | movedx_: got windows ? goodbye-windows.com |
| 22:34.52 | tobo | abo, you might need a default route |
| 22:35.02 | movedx_ | no, on the gentoo livecd at present waiting for the kernel to finish building |
| 22:35.03 | tobo | netstat -rn should show you a default gw |
| 22:35.15 | movedx_ | if this fails for the 9th time, i'm trying debian |
| 22:35.16 | jetscreamer | movedx_: you should get a businesscard or netinstall cd... old sarge wil lgive you problems probably |
| 22:35.18 | Ch0Hag | Or just download the 15-odd MB netinst image. |
| 22:35.22 | tobo | or maybe they're on the same net? |
| 22:35.26 | jetscreamer | !sarge->etch |
| 22:35.26 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> |
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| 22:35.34 | jetscreamer | see above |
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| 22:35.40 | dkr | Reedy_Boy: 500*10**9/2**30=465.66 well close to that, at least. oh yeah, the 466 to 459 is filesystem overhead. the 459 to 436 is the 5% |
| 22:36.13 | `Abo | tobo, I should get internet through the gw 192.168.0.111 and debian's ip is 192.168.0.1 |
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| 22:36.59 | `Abo | tobo and the command you've told me sats: Destination 192.168.0.0 gateway 0.0.0.0, genmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 22:37.20 | themill | !tell ooosanteooo about root |
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| 22:37.52 | Reedy_Boy | dkr, i can see the difference between df -H (Decimal) and -h (binary) - 493 vs 459 GB |
| 22:38.09 | tobo | abo, and you cant ping 192.168.0.111? |
| 22:38.10 | real0ne | i want to prepare usb stick to install debian |
| 22:38.28 | `Abo | cany |
| 22:38.32 | Reedy_Boy | dkr, so that makes sense... Whats the reserved space for? |
| 22:38.33 | `Abo | cant, host unreachable |
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| 22:38.46 | nomad_cz | Hi. I am going to install debian server tomorrow and I wonder whether to stick with stable or pick up testing instead. Which one would you suggest ? I am asking because I do not want to do a big upgrade in a few months or so ;) |
| 22:38.48 | muhkuh | help me me please ......i need to get my GUI back... |
| 22:38.57 | tobo | what do you see when typing ifconfig? |
| 22:39.21 | `Abo | eth0 and lo |
| 22:39.22 | Reedy_Boy | real0ne, you can use a CD image on the memory stick.. |
| 22:39.25 | themill | nomad_cz: for a server? definitely stick with stable |
| 22:39.35 | tobo | and what does it say for eth0 |
| 22:39.40 | nomad_cz | themill: I see ;) |
| 22:39.43 | dkr | Reedy_Boy: it is spacd that can only be written to by root. that way there is always space for recovered corrupt files with fsck and the like. the default % reserves way too much space on big drives nowadays though. it's a good idea to lower it when creating filesystems |
| 22:39.54 | muhkuh | tried to put the old xorg.conf back with vim but had no chance |
| 22:40.04 | `Abo | and eth0 is inet addr 192.168.0.1, bcast: 192.168.0.255 mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 22:40.15 | real0ne | Reedy_Boy how can i do it??? |
| 22:40.17 | tobo | you can ping 192.168.0.1? |
| 22:40.22 | `Abo | UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 |
| 22:40.24 | real0ne | Reedy_Boy with wich utility |
| 22:40.31 | Reedy_Boy | real0ne, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 22:40.46 | `Abo | yup, 3 packets transmited 3 received |
| 22:40.46 | tobo | abo, do you have ethtool installed? |
| 22:41.02 | `Abo | tobo did a fresh install of debian using netinstall cd |
| 22:41.13 | tobo | hm |
| 22:41.20 | Reedy_Boy | dkr, fair enough. To claim some of that back, i'll have to reformat/remake the partiton/file system? |
| 22:41.22 | `Abo | couldn't use install from sites cause internet wasnt working |
| 22:41.31 | tobo | have you gotten link on the interface? |
| 22:41.34 | tobo | i mean eth0 up |
| 22:41.37 | real0ne | Reedy_Boy yes i have read that but /dev/sda don't worck and how can i know where is my usb stick |
| 22:41.43 | tobo | in dmesg or something similar |
| 22:41.45 | `Abo | yea |
| 22:41.49 | dkr | Reedy_Boy: yeah, reserved % is an option of mkfs |
| 22:41.55 | Reedy_Boy | real0ne, fdisk -l |
| 22:42.04 | Reedy_Boy | real0ne, that will tell you all currently detected drives and such |
| 22:42.23 | tobo | abo, don't know then man, sounds strange, firewall or something on the .111? |
| 22:42.23 | Reedy_Boy | look for the one the size of your memory stick |
| 22:42.32 | `Abo | keep on getting: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: trabsmit timed out |
| 22:42.46 | `Abo | and: eth0 link up, 100mbps, full-duplex .. |
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| 22:42.55 | `Abo | tobo no |
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| 22:43.15 | `Abo | tobo how do I reset eth0 interface |
| 22:43.26 | `Abo | shutdown/start again afterwards |
| 22:43.45 | Reedy_Boy | dkr, would a different FS be better? |
| 22:43.45 | tobo | ifconfig eth0 down |
| 22:43.52 | tobo | and then up again |
| 22:44.15 | tobo | for a "complete" restart you could remove the module as well and then insert it again |
| 22:44.39 | `Abo | how do I do that |
| 22:44.49 | tobo | if you dont figure it out my bet would be to google "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: trabsmit timed out" |
| 22:44.59 | tobo | abo, modprobe -r and then modprobe |
| 22:45.06 | tobo | ie modprobe -r <module name> |
| 22:45.12 | tobo | and then modprobe <module name> |
| 22:45.24 | tobo | lsmod to see modules currently loaded |
| 22:45.34 | tobo | you have to find the module for your network card |
| 22:45.39 | tobo | lspci might help you there |
| 22:45.45 | tobo | if you dont know which it is |
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| 22:46.28 | jetscreamer | or ifdown eth0 ? |
| 22:46.37 | guk | I don't see linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 with a SMP on it ... will this kernel support dual CPU's ? |
| 22:46.43 | jetscreamer | watchdog timer |
| 22:46.45 | tobo | jetscreamer: said that higher up :) |
| 22:46.47 | jetscreamer | yes guk |
| 22:46.51 | wols | guk: yes |
| 22:46.58 | jetscreamer | ] <tobo> ifconfig eth0 down |
| 22:47.01 | guk | oh ? so they removed the SMP on the end of the kernel I assume ? |
| 22:47.03 | tobo | ok then |
| 22:47.04 | wols | all debian kernels except -486 support SMP |
| 22:47.07 | jetscreamer | yes guk |
| 22:47.07 | tobo | stand corrected ;) |
| 22:47.22 | tobo | i mean that i stand corrected |
| 22:47.29 | tobo | if it was unclear :) |
| 22:47.33 | jetscreamer | guk: they just made em all smp capable |
| 22:47.40 | Agiofws | hello |
| 22:47.42 | Agiofws | Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' |
| 22:47.42 | Agiofws | to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable |
| 22:47.42 | Agiofws | No package 'gtk+-2.0' found |
| 22:47.51 | Agiofws | what package do i need ? |
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| 22:48.09 | Agiofws | gtk2-engines is already the newest version. |
| 22:48.10 | Agiofws | gtk2-engines set to manual installed. |
| 22:48.10 | guk | okay ... cool cool ... another quick thing if I have a SCSI drive ... what should my grub look like ... now it has root (hd0,0) |
| 22:48.10 | wols | the dev packave for gtk |
| 22:48.15 | `Abo | when I do ifdown it says interface eth0 is not configured |
| 22:48.16 | jetscreamer | apt-file search gtk+-2.0.pc maybe |
| 22:48.22 | jetscreamer | ifup eth0 |
| 22:48.22 | guk | does that mean SCSI drive 1 ? or HDD drive1 ... ie will it boot off the SCSI |
| 22:48.30 | wols | guk: depends what your BIOS thinks |
| 22:48.50 | jetscreamer | guk: they're all hd to grub |
| 22:48.51 | guk | wols: uh oh ... okay ... is there any way to find out without rebooting (I don't want to risk it now0 |
| 22:48.55 | wols | it means first partition of the the first harddisk as recognized by BIOS |
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| 22:49.08 | jetscreamer | hd0 hd1... scsi, ide,pata,sata... |
| 22:49.12 | wols | guk: how many harddisks do you have? |
| 22:49.18 | guk | yeah ... my onboard SCSI has a little booty thing so im assuming removing the IDE drive makes it hd0 becuase it's the only drive ? |
| 22:49.25 | jetscreamer | guk: yes |
| 22:49.37 | Agiofws | jetscreamer, ixus:/home/agiofws# apt-file search gtk+-2.0.pc |
| 22:49.38 | Agiofws | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 22:49.40 | jetscreamer | grub just counts from wherever your bios boots from |
| 22:49.56 | jetscreamer | apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update Agiofws |
| 22:49.59 | jetscreamer | !apt-file |
| 22:49.59 | dpkg | methinks apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
| 22:50.06 | jetscreamer | aptitude |
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| 22:50.27 | guk | wols: I have 2 right now ... an IDE drive which used to be a /boot drive and a SCSI drive which is my / drive ... I recently migrated my /boot (IDE) to my /boot (SCSI) so in theroy if I unplug my IDE ... when it reboots it should see it as 0,0 right ? |
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| 22:50.44 | jetscreamer | i'm not wols, but yes |
| 22:50.55 | guk | oh sorry heh |
| 22:51.17 | guk | jetscreamer: thanks just double checking now for fun if it doesn't come up knoppix has the tools to rebuild my grub and change numbers right (just incase it don't come back up) |
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| 22:52.50 | henryunbongo | hello |
| 22:52.57 | jetscreamer | guk: just hit esc at the grub prompt if it's grubgfx or c if it's grub menu |
| 22:53.14 | henryunbongo | I have a question about libpcap and network settings on linux |
| 22:53.20 | guk | (hd0) /dev/sda |
| 22:53.30 | jetscreamer | esc then c if it's gfx.. then just use grubshell to boot |
| 22:53.37 | guk | perfect ... I made debian think that /dev/sda is hd0 (it thought it was hd1) |
| 22:53.48 | guk | because when I pull this machine down i'll remove the IDE drive |
| 22:53.53 | guk | it's pretty useless and isn't required anymore |
| 22:54.01 | jetscreamer | check your /boot/grub/device.map |
| 22:54.13 | guk | yup ... I edited that to reflect future values |
| 22:54.19 | jetscreamer | what i do is delete it then run grub-install when i change up hd order |
| 22:54.22 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 22:54.25 | real0ne | Reedy_Boy thanks a lot:) |
| 22:54.32 | Reedy_Boy | :) |
| 22:55.20 | real0ne | Reedy_Boy but |
| 22:55.52 | real0ne | Reedy_Boy but i musst copy image.iso into usb stick? |
| 22:56.02 | real0ne | wich image?? |
| 22:56.03 | guk | jetscreamer: thanks ... just that this booting stuff is scary ... I just want it to come back up when I boot ... but if it doesn't it's not hard to rebuild my /boot in knoppix and make it happen hopefully |
| 22:56.26 | real0ne | Reedy_Boy what is businesscard, netinst or even a full CD image |
| 22:56.27 | henryunbongo | I am writing a cross platform application to sniff IP packets (not tcp). I am noticing a big difference in responsivenes between debian and windows. is because libpcap can only process and capture about at about 2% of the networks capacity. I suspect that this could have somethign to with the way the Linux kernel works. Supposedly On BSD systems libpcap can capture 34% of a network packets from the live wire and on Windows 64%. H |
| 22:56.27 | henryunbongo | owever the traffic I am trying to capture is quite small (<1 meg a sec). |
| 22:56.29 | Agiofws | jetscreamer, what is Setting up apt-file (2.0.8.2) ... doing its just sitting there |
| 22:56.39 | Reedy_Boy | real0ne, different ISO's |
| 22:56.39 | Agiofws | wtf is it downloading ? |
| 22:56.45 | jetscreamer | guk: you don't really want to actually boot the knoppix, just use the grub on the cd and boot your debian |
| 22:56.49 | jetscreamer | if needed |
| 22:56.56 | Reedy_Boy | real0ne, netinst or even businesscard would be fine |
| 22:56.58 | themill | Agiofws: man apt-file |
| 22:57.09 | henryunbongo | anyone have any ideas ? |
| 22:57.11 | real0ne | Reedy_Boy but i don't know what is it |
| 22:57.14 | jetscreamer | Agiofws: not sure. you did do that as root eh |
| 22:57.16 | real0ne | Reedy_Boy :) |
| 22:57.17 | Agiofws | its not even installed yet |
| 22:57.21 | jetscreamer | themill: he's installing it |
| 22:57.25 | Agiofws | ok it just stopped |
| 22:57.33 | Reedy_Boy | real0ne, http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 22:57.37 | guk | yeah ... perfect ... assuming that my SCSI boots fine ... ive never booted directly off the SCSI drive :/ always had my 6gb IDE to take that shift ... but this machine supports booting off the SCSI so why keep a 5600RPM IDE drive when I got a 15k SCSI that owrks and hopefully boots properly |
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| 22:57.57 | jetscreamer | Agiofws: did you paste what i typed? if so it did both commands and the apt-file update is the one that took a long time |
| 22:58.02 | real0ne | Reedy_Boy aha iknow it now |
| 22:58.05 | jetscreamer | otherwise do apt-file update |
| 22:58.07 | real0ne | Reedy_Boy thanks a lot |
| 22:58.11 | themill | jetscreamer: ok... I think a lesson in fishing there is due :) |
| 22:58.15 | Reedy_Boy | :) |
| 22:58.33 | Agiofws | jetscreamer, exactly |
| 22:58.37 | Agiofws | its ok now |
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| 22:59.24 | guk | jetscreamer: thanks for the help tho ... it's not that I didn't know I just wanted some reassurance that what I did was proper to debian ... thanks alot have a good one eh |
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| 22:59.34 | jetscreamer | guk: you should be ok imo |
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| 23:02.00 | guk | jetscreamer: well when my computer catches fire and doesn't boot I know who to come yell at ... j/k I think it should be fine too grub is setup on the mbr of the SCSI and told that it's the only drive on the system (because it will be) ... assuming my P3's onboard SCSI supports booting (and that im almost completely positive because who has a built in SCSI without a boot option) |
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| 23:03.23 | beware | let's start a units war |
| 23:03.26 | guk | perfect ... well atleast I can sleep now |
| 23:03.29 | guk | I forget what rebooting is |
| 23:03.54 | Bushmill1 | can a script, executed on a remote system by ssh session, determine which host name it was connected to? (system has several names, for virtual hosts). I'd like to have that script look into apache vhost files for directory names where to act upon, and don't want to pass vhost name as extra argument to script. |
| 23:04.31 | guk | haha |
| 23:04.31 | guk | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.31 | guk | thanks for the help tho ... I really appreciate it |
| 23:04.38 | jetscreamer | np |
| 23:04.53 | dkr | Bushmill1: no |
| 23:04.56 | beware | when a tcp connection is made to an IP, the other end can only know this hostname if it's passed on in the application protocol |
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| 23:05.11 | dkr | e.g. http Host: header |
| 23:05.33 | Bushmill1 | oh well |
| 23:05.41 | beware | lets start a units war |
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| 23:05.54 | beware | its not working -_- |
| 23:06.13 | dkr | beware: using the babylonian base 60 system for time is absurd! |
| 23:06.21 | beware | lol |
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| 23:06.37 | Bushmill1 | hoped there was something like that in the ssh auth protocol. after all, client informs when connecting to same site, with different name. |
| 23:06.51 | jetscreamer | (it's really not called a unit btw) |
| 23:06.55 | jetscreamer | but who cares |
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| 23:07.51 | Bushmill1 | I like my tea brewing for about 50 nanocenturies |
| 23:08.19 | beware | lol |
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| 23:09.33 | beware | a nanocentury is 3.1536 seconds |
| 23:09.53 | Bushmill1 | and I might try to familiarize myself with picoparsecs |
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| 23:11.39 | kr0n1x | hi, i'm on debian lenny, but i've only 4 repository (2 main, deb and deb-src, and 2 for updates, deb and src too). where i can find the official list of all debian lenny repositories? |
| 23:11.54 | azeem | kr0n1x: there's no other |
| 23:12.05 | azeem | officially at least |
| 23:12.48 | themill | kr0n1x: there is also contrib and non-free and you might be interested in debian-multimedia.org |
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| 23:13.10 | karsten | kr0n1x: There are *regional* mirrors and such. There are also some special-purpose repos, *outside* the official Debian project. Most notably the Marillat / Debian-Multimedia archive (video codecs, mostly). |
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| 23:13.19 | karsten | kr0n1x: Otherwise, look up merrors. |
| 23:13.29 | karsten | !tell kr0n1x about mirrors |
| 23:13.34 | karsten | !tell kr0n1x about marillat |
| 23:13.45 | Bushmills | kr0n1x: there are more inofficial repositories for packages which are not included in debian |
| 23:13.56 | kr0n1x | i need to add "testing, contrib, and non-fre" maybe... |
| 23:13.59 | Bushmills | kr0n1x: for those you may want to look here: http://www.apt-get.org/ |
| 23:14.06 | kr0n1x | because i've only main updates |
| 23:14.07 | karsten | kr0n1x: No. |
| 23:14.26 | muhkuh | can't someone help me with gettin my GUI back (adjusting the xorg.conf + mounting the filesystem which is not in /etc.....)?? |
| 23:14.26 | karsten | kr0n1x: Those are different releases of Debian. Don't mix-and-match packages. |
| 23:14.37 | karsten | muhkuh: ask your question. |
| 23:14.38 | azeem | Bushmills: it's not clear why we should advocate apt-get.org? |
| 23:15.02 | kr0n1x | to have all packages (non-free, like nvidia...) what i have to add? |
| 23:15.04 | Bushmills | azeem, because it helps finding packages which are not in debian? |
| 23:15.11 | karsten | !tell muhkuh about set up x |
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| 23:15.35 | azeem | Bushmills: there's usually a good reason for that |
| 23:15.38 | muhkuh | that's what i did and because of it i got no GUI now |
| 23:15.39 | karsten | muhkuh: First off, tell us what's broken. Does X start? If not, set it up. If it does, what are or aren't you seeing that you don't / do want? |
| 23:15.42 | azeem | the first repo on apt-get.org is "Unofficial cr.yp.to packages for Debian potato" |
| 23:15.50 | karsten | kr0n1x: You can't install everything. |
| 23:15.53 | hobophobe | My computer thinks local time is UTC (on boot it complains about failing to set the hardware clock, I assume this is the cause) any plausible solutions other than ntpdate? |
| 23:15.59 | muhkuh | has to do with the graphic card |
| 23:16.11 | karsten | hobophobe: *DO* set your hwclock to UTC. |
| 23:16.19 | hobophobe | ah, just do it myself? |
| 23:16.19 | kr0n1x | ... what means "you can't install" :< i can't find nvidia-kernel-common... |
| 23:16.19 | muhkuh | now i run a kubuntu live cd |
| 23:16.22 | kr0n1x | what can i do' |
| 23:16.39 | karsten | hobophobe: use tzconfig to set your system default timezone. Use ntpd or chrony (for laptops/disconnectable systems) to maintain system time. |
| 23:16.39 | streuner | hobophobe: Dual Boot? |
| 23:16.53 | muhkuh | at first i'd have to mount the file system but if i try it tells me it'S not in /etc...... |
| 23:17.01 | karsten | muhkuh: What's your graphics card? |
| 23:17.06 | hobophobe | karsten, good thinking... any possibility of solving it so linux can set the hw clock? |
| 23:17.10 | karsten | muhkuh: /etc/fstab. |
| 23:17.18 | karsten | hobophobe: 'systohc' |
| 23:17.21 | streuner | !set time |
| 23:17.21 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 23:17.35 | muhkuh | ATI raedon9250 |
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| 23:17.57 | karsten | hobophobe: ... I cron that nightly. Keeps the HW clock synched. We've got a slew of RH servers at the office which are set to localtime, and which go an hour off twice a year due to DST switching. |
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| 23:18.09 | karsten | !tell muhkuh about fglrx |
| 23:18.14 | themill | !tell kr0n1x about nvidia |
| 23:18.25 | karsten | themill: Not nvidia. |
| 23:18.46 | themill | karsten: ? |
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| 23:18.59 | Bushmills | azeem, ok, there may be reasons why a package is not in debian. but not all reasons have to be equally valid for everybody. |
| 23:19.04 | muhkuh | i'm not in debian now |
| 23:19.05 | kr0n1x | themill: i'm reading that howto, but my apt doesn't find any "nvidia*" package. i've only nvidia-xconfig |
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| 23:19.21 | zinx | kr0n1x: are you running testing? |
| 23:19.26 | themill | kr0n1x: please read the section on "lenny" or "testing" on that wiki page carefully. |
| 23:19.30 | azeem | Bushmills: that's true, but I think it's better we let users ask about specific packages before handing out a list with broken repos |
| 23:19.43 | kr0n1x | oh ok themill anyway yes i'm on lenny |
| 23:20.38 | kr0n1x | ehm themill where i can find information about "testing" in the wiki?O_o |
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| 23:21.10 | kr0n1x | Trouble with Linux 2.6 this?? |
| 23:21.18 | themill | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-816174f32ba98061bdd68615838ee453646721f1 |
| 23:21.18 | zinx | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 23:21.18 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 23:21.40 | mutante | on this freshly installed system, cat /proc/cpuinfo says i have a "Intel Pentium D" ,two cores with 2.66GHz each, and after i installed etch i end up having a ‰2.6.1-4-amd64 kernel. -amd kernel on Intel CPU appears not right to me, or is that normal |
| 23:21.47 | Bushmills | azeem. matter of policy. I learned somehow that information should be free. including information about potentially risky or damaging things. and not have somebody judge what may or may not be good for somebody else. |
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| 23:22.09 | mutante | 2.6.18-4-amd64 that is |
| 23:22.30 | at0m|c | mutante, 64bit intels use -amd64 too |
| 23:22.41 | mutante | i see,thanks |
| 23:22.45 | azeem | Bushmills: this is a support channel. So when we tell people about apt-get.org, we will also have to deal with the breakage that ensues |
| 23:22.53 | azeem | maybe not you personally, but the other regulars in here |
| 23:23.00 | kr0n1x | thanks themill, maybe is better for me to keep nv driver |
| 23:23.03 | zinx | mutante: it is usually the correct choice for a 64-bit kernel, even if it's an intel processor. and definitely for that processor. |
| 23:23.03 | themill | Bushmills: that's true to an extent, but you didn't tell the user "these packages may eat your children". |
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| 23:23.19 | muhkuh | what should i add? started with: /dev/sda2 / |
| 23:23.21 | themill | kr0n1x: probably... |
| 23:23.45 | azeem | muhkuh: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:24.01 | muhkuh | adding a HD to fstab |
| 23:24.15 | muhkuh | cause i messe up the GUI |
| 23:24.33 | muhkuh | if u remember i was just away suddenly =) |
| 23:24.43 | azeem | muhkuh: why don't you ask in #kubuntu? |
| 23:24.56 | kr0n1x | where you mount your other partitions? in /media or /mnt? |
| 23:25.00 | muhkuh | then i tried to get the old xorg.conf back |
| 23:25.30 | muhkuh | because i just use this live cd for gettin bavk my debian GUI |
| 23:25.52 | azeem | muhkuh: but why should WE know how you mount stuff in kubuntu? |
| 23:26.09 | mutante | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.30 | muhkuh | isnt it a debian os |
| 23:26.44 | themill | !tell muhkuh about based on debian |
| 23:27.08 | muhkuh | just did what u told me and now nothing works at all thanks a lot |
| 23:27.15 | azeem | muhkuh: why don't you boot into single-user mode, reconfigure xorg to vesa and reboot |
| 23:27.23 | azeem | and then fix whatever you think needs fixing further |
| 23:27.32 | muhkuh | cause i dont know how |
| 23:27.37 | azeem | !ask |
| 23:27.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 23:27.50 | azeem | anyway, I'm going to bed, good lukc |
| 23:27.53 | muhkuh | but i guess i gott install everything nu |
| 23:28.21 | themill | muhkuh: you don't need to. Ask in #ubuntu |
| 23:28.36 | muhkuh | i did |
| 23:28.45 | streuner | !ubuntu |
| 23:28.45 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 23:31.25 | streuner | Is it true, that in .au internet is pretty expensive and slow? |
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| 23:31.54 | rrrggghhh | i want to puke a pitch black rainbow to the sun |
| 23:31.56 | rrrggghhh | to put it out |
| 23:31.59 | rrrggghhh | can i do that with fstab |
| 23:32.33 | biz | no. :-) |
| 23:32.50 | rrrggghhh | so i have to do a kernel recompile |
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| 23:33.45 | biz | not for ntfs-3g, if you have fuse compiled in / as module |
| 23:33.56 | themill | streuner: yeah. I pay the same for an 8Mbps and 2GB limit connection here in the uk as my mum pays for a 256kbps 250MB limit connection in .au. Although if you go for more volume the price per MB (or Mbps) comes down quickly. |
| 23:34.04 | rrrggghhh | i already got that partition to mount |
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| 23:34.40 | biz | whats the problem then? |
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| 23:36.52 | streuner | themill: 2GB per month? |
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| 23:37.05 | streuner | themill: or day? |
| 23:37.10 | hobophobe | thanks karsten |
| 23:37.13 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone know how to force a core of a process? |
| 23:37.18 | NinjaELF | !stats |
| 23:37.18 | dpkg | Since Thu Jan 24 12:05:02 2008, there have been 0 modifications, 131 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 47 commands. I have been awake for 11h 32m 16s this session, and currently reference 37882 factoids. I'm using about 15716 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 42.39/2.73 child 0/0.03 |
| 23:37.21 | themill | streuner: per month. I'm unlimited at work so I don't need more than that at gome. |
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| 23:37.36 | thechef | I'm trying to play an audio cd, but I can't hear anything. I checked the mixer settings. Any ideas? And how does it know that the analog cable isn't connected to the sound card and that it should play it digitally instead? |
| 23:38.20 | nuclear_eclipse | the Debian is all knowing :P |
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| 23:38.48 | muhkuh | the mill? got a clue?? |
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| 23:40.33 | streuner | !+tell muhkuh -about ask |
| 23:40.34 | dpkg | told muhkuh about ask. |
| 23:41.06 | muhkuh | jajaj |
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| 23:43.57 | man_in_shack | anyone tried evdev driver for mice in xorg? |
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| 23:53.05 | nick108 | Hi there, I'm trying to get some log output from the mailx command when sending mails |
| 23:53.33 | nick108 | I only have exim and mailx installed (very basic debian etch) |
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| 23:54.09 | nick108 | there's nothing in /var/log/syslog or mail.info |
| 23:54.52 | nick108 | any ideas what i might be missing here? |
| 23:55.02 | mortal1 | hey, what logfile can I look at to see who has logged in, or attempted to log into my box? |
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| 23:56.53 | nick108 | auth.log ? |
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| 23:59.11 | man_in_shack | hmmm |
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| 23:59.20 | mortal1 | any others? |
| 23:59.36 | mortal1 | I'm looking at syslog right now |
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| 23:59.56 | petemc | exim4 -bP log_file_path |
