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| 00:00.51 | shaun_ | hello |
| 00:00.55 | DeathWolf | plus it does not have the same behaviour as grep -P |
| 00:00.59 | DeathWolf | which is quite... disturbing |
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| 00:01.25 | Peliask | Supaplex: So your saying after I run this installer, I just copy /debian, grub.cfg, g2ldr, and g2ldr.mbr to the usb key? |
| 00:01.42 | shaun_ | i just compiled and installed a new kernel, and when the system boots up into the new kernel i get this message: ide0: I/O resource 0x3F6 not free, ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe. followed by the same for ide1 |
| 00:01.45 | shaun_ | then the system hangs |
| 00:01.50 | DeathWolf | echo 1.defabc notes|grep -P -A 1 -i '^.*abc(?!.*test)'; echo 2.defabc test|grep -P -A 1 -i '^.*abc(?!.*test)'; |
| 00:01.59 | DeathWolf | is supposed to output "1.defabc notes" |
| 00:02.01 | shaun_ | is anyone familiar with this problem? |
| 00:02.10 | DeathWolf | with pcregrep it does not return anything |
| 00:02.17 | Peliask | Supaplex: hold on, I think I can edit this linux usd pen drive distro |
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| 00:02.48 | Supaplex | Peliask: I assumed your second pc was running windows to. I don't know how to leverage debian.exe to a bare metal senario, even with a usb key. |
| 00:03.09 | moshii | Peliask: if you can get a live distro booting off of a pen.. you can use debootstrap to do the install |
| 00:03.52 | Peliask | mhm, I found a 'sid-usb.img' that I can edit that I know boots |
| 00:04.11 | Peliask | I just need to overwrite it with the files from debian-40r2-i386-netinst.iso I presume |
| 00:05.01 | Peliask | no, that wont work |
| 00:05.02 | Peliask | DAMNIT |
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| 00:07.05 | Supaplex | Peliask: can the bare metal pc netboot? I think you could setup a netboot env off the windows box. |
| 00:07.33 | Supaplex | it's not fun or easy, but doable from what I've read. (using 3rd party apps/utils helps) |
| 00:07.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | Peliask, how old is the system? any >P4 should netboot |
| 00:07.42 | Tramp | DeathWolf: for me it does it exactly what it should (with pcregrep) |
| 00:07.46 | Peliask | It's an asus eee. |
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| 00:08.00 | Peliask | Supaplex: How would I do that with the bare pc not having ethernet drivers |
| 00:08.05 | shaun_ | any ideas why the system wont boot correctly? |
| 00:08.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | not sure about them |
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| 00:08.14 | shaun_ | when i try to boot with the default kernel it works fine |
| 00:08.22 | Supaplex | Peliask: it's called PXE |
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| 00:08.42 | dontpanic | Hi, is it possible to run 32bit apps on 64bit os? |
| 00:08.49 | Supaplex | and if "if" didn't qualify it, then it's "no such luck". |
| 00:08.58 | dondelelcaro | dontpanic: yes |
| 00:09.02 | Peliask | Supaplex: how do I turn pxe on? |
| 00:09.09 | Peliask | Supaplex: I dont see it in BIOS |
| 00:09.10 | Supaplex | Peliask: usually the bios |
| 00:09.14 | Peliask | =[ |
| 00:09.44 | Supaplex | Peliask: see if google can tell you how/if that machine does pxe. |
| 00:10.01 | Peliask | Supaplex: could it be OnBoard LAN Boot ROM? |
| 00:10.07 | moshii | Peliask: the aus eee runs linux anyhow doesn't it? |
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| 00:10.15 | Peliask | moshii: xandros.... |
| 00:11.16 | Supaplex | Peliask: yup. is xandros already installed and bootable? |
| 00:12.03 | xand | ;.; |
| 00:12.09 | Peliask | Supaplex: This laptop was formatted before I got my hands on it |
| 00:12.12 | Peliask | long story |
| 00:12.59 | Supaplex | ouch |
| 00:13.14 | Supaplex | ~lart previous asus eee owner |
| 00:13.14 | apt | turns previous asus eee owner into a lifesized tux doll |
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| 00:13.32 | Supaplex | I'd kick the doll, but hey, it's tux... |
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| 00:16.26 | Kevin` | how do I build a kernel the debian way |
| 00:16.40 | simonrvn | we'd have to kick *you* if you did :P |
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| 00:16.56 | simonrvn | Kevin`: /msg dpkg kp and kp mantra |
| 00:17.50 | Kevin` | thanks |
| 00:18.01 | simonrvn | np |
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| 00:21.08 | cheetahj26 | i am somewhat new to linux, and brand new to debian... i don't know exactly what i did, but i can't receive an ip address in debian anymore |
| 00:21.34 | cheetahj26 | when i type .. ifconfig -a i get eth1 with no address, lo, and sit0 ... |
| 00:21.51 | cheetahj26 | i dont know how eth1 got there... i always connected from eth0 before |
| 00:22.01 | Supaplex | cheetahj26: check /etc/network/interfaces (man 5 interfaces). sounds like /etc/init.d/networking didn't "start" |
| 00:22.21 | cheetahj26 | i read the man file for /etc/networking/interfaces and manually configured a static address... |
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| 00:22.42 | Supaplex | your eth1 smells of udev |
| 00:22.45 | cheetahj26 | no thats not it... i tried ifup eth0 and networking restart... |
| 00:22.58 | acemi | cheetahj26: check /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 00:23.29 | cheetahj26 | is there a gui application i can install to play with the network settings ? |
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| 00:24.54 | Supaplex | does xterm count? |
| 00:25.09 | cheetahj26 | is this correct syntax? iface eth0 inet static |
| 00:25.09 | cheetahj26 | address 192.168.0.34 |
| 00:25.09 | cheetahj26 | netmask x.x.x.x |
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| 00:25.34 | Maulkin | cheetahj26: no, you need an actual netmask in there. x.x.x.x doens't work. |
| 00:25.41 | Maulkin | You *probably* want 255.255.255.0 |
| 00:25.46 | cheetahj26 | well yeah i put that |
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| 00:25.58 | cheetahj26 | sorry when writing syntax i should be precise |
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| 00:26.29 | cheetahj26 | but is that it... no close at the end or ; after each line ? |
| 00:26.40 | Maulkin | Correct |
| 00:26.44 | cheetahj26 | hmm... |
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| 00:26.50 | Maulkin | man interfaces :) |
| 00:26.52 | cheetahj26 | even that won't startup eth0 |
| 00:27.06 | Maulkin | do you have an auto eth0 line? |
| 00:27.12 | cheetahj26 | did that... thats how i figured to write the above... just double checking |
| 00:27.27 | cheetahj26 | yeah auto lo eth0 |
| 00:27.44 | cheetahj26 | there must be some problem with debian connecting to the device |
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| 00:28.15 | Maulkin | cheetahj26: what happens when you do 'ifup eth0' ? |
| 00:28.26 | cheetahj26 | i had it working when i first installed... i installed kmyfirewall, but i didnt change any settings |
| 00:28.36 | Maulkin | Well, that may have broken it. |
| 00:28.42 | cheetahj26 | i get an error... i forget what it is... says device |
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| 00:28.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 00:29.01 | cheetahj26 | thats highly probable... any idea how to fix it ? or reinstall ? |
| 00:29.17 | Maulkin | cheetahj26: I could do with the error |
| 00:29.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | " i get an error... i forget what it is" ... but definitely an error, well, maybe a warning... or an informational message... but definitely an output |
| 00:29.25 | simonrvn | Maulkin: weren't you going to sleep? ;) |
| 00:29.37 | cheetahj26 | yeah sorry... ill log off get error and come back. |
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| 00:29.43 | cheetahj26 | thank you for help |
| 00:29.46 | Maulkin | No worries |
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| 00:29.57 | Maulkin | cheetahj26: I may have to put you in my quotefile though |
| 00:30.04 | Maulkin | Tough. He's going in. |
| 00:30.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dont cry for him, argentinia... |
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| 00:30.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 00:30.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | "I was reading a book... can't recall the title... but it was about a man... or a woman...." |
| 00:31.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | fun guy |
| 00:31.23 | caperucito | hi, i've bought a toshiba satellite U300-102 and I'm in trouble with xorg server, i can't it get working properly, anybody have tried it? |
| 00:31.32 | caperucito | i'm installing etch |
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| 00:31.48 | Gm4n | my server got hacked and I wiped and reinstalled with latest OS (and set new passwords) after making a backup of /etc. However, I realized I needed the old firewall configuration... is that stored in /etc anywhere? |
| 00:31.49 | simonrvn | @be reading barbie |
| 00:31.49 | ravenbird | AAAAW! reading is too HARD! let's go shopping! |
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| 00:32.24 | themill | !tell fjfalcon about root |
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| 00:32.28 | simonrvn | Gm4n: /var/lib/iptables/ if you've been using the init script... |
| 00:32.39 | Gm4n | uhoh :( |
| 00:32.44 | Gm4n | it's not saved in /etc anywhere? |
| 00:33.04 | simonrvn | only if you wrote your set up to a script or such |
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| 00:33.23 | dvs | Gm4n: I use ipmasq and that's where it's stored |
| 00:33.46 | Gm4n | well, it was done using iptables |
| 00:34.00 | bmm | I use Bastille, which creates a /etc/Bastille/firewall.d which you can use |
| 00:34.42 | dvs | Gm4n: ipmasq uses iptables |
| 00:34.49 | wald0 | i have a patch for a kernel 2.6.22 but i want to use it on a 2.6.24, of course not works... is there any graphical DIFF tool that i can put the pieces of code in a userfriendly and fast way ? |
| 00:35.18 | \amethyst | wald0: vimdiff, xxdiff |
| 00:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | xemacs? |
| 00:35.34 | \amethyst | or one of the emacsen |
| 00:35.37 | dvs | wald0: tkdiff |
| 00:36.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: :) |
| 00:36.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: btw. do you remember that extremely slow USB-stick I asked about two days ago? |
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| 00:36.35 | rocketmagnet | hi |
| 00:36.58 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: yes? |
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| 00:37.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: well, I tried it at my laptop at home, also debian, also had the "sync" option on... |
| 00:37.31 | rocketmagnet | : i have troubles with installing debian etch on a new P5K mainbord, nothing gets found of my hardware (like my sata dvd and onboard lan card) |
| 00:37.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it worked normally there... |
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| 00:37.41 | rocketmagnet | how can i solve this ? |
| 00:37.42 | Ax-Ax | how do i create a new user from cli? |
| 00:37.47 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: odd |
| 00:37.55 | dvs | rocketmagnet: install lenny? |
| 00:38.07 | rocketmagnet | does that solve my troubles ? |
| 00:38.16 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: what kernel versions? |
| 00:38.16 | rocketmagnet | is it usable ? |
| 00:38.21 | dvs | rocketmagnet: well, you definitely need a newer kernel |
| 00:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: yes :) perhaps it's a different kernel version... and that made the differenc |
| 00:38.28 | rocketmagnet | i mean => does it not destroy my hardware =) |
| 00:38.42 | qwaz | hi all...where is the appropriate channel for scripting questions? |
| 00:38.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: but as I never remember one by heart and dont have the laptop here... :) |
| 00:38.52 | \amethyst | qwaz: shell scripting? |
| 00:38.52 | rocketmagnet | join #bash ? |
| 00:39.01 | qwaz | yes |
| 00:39.03 | dvs | rocketmagnet: my hardware is still here |
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| 00:39.18 | \amethyst | qwaz: if you're using bash (it's the default on Debian), #bash |
| 00:39.20 | rocketmagnet | dvs: lenny needs 2 dvd right ? |
| 00:39.26 | qwaz | \amethyst: ok thank you |
| 00:39.29 | dvs | rocketmagnet: no, one is fine |
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| 00:39.35 | themill | don your asbestos underwear before going into #bash though.... |
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| 00:39.43 | Ax-Ax | xan i create a new user from cli? |
| 00:39.46 | dvs | rocketmagnet: you can get the rest via internet |
| 00:39.49 | Ax-Ax | can* |
| 00:39.50 | themill | night all... |
| 00:39.51 | \amethyst | Ax-Ax: adduser |
| 00:40.02 | Ax-Ax | ok.. |
| 00:40.06 | dvs | useradd!!!! |
| 00:40.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill: sounds interesting :) |
| 00:40.17 | \amethyst | no, don't use useradd unless you're writing a script |
| 00:40.19 | rocketmagnet | dvs: when he finds my onboard lan ;) |
| 00:40.23 | cheetahj26 | ok back... my error is: SIOCSIFADDR: no such device |
| 00:40.28 | rocketmagnet | or is there also a netinstall for lenny ? |
| 00:40.29 | netdaemon | hmmm hows the progress on kde4 in experimental? |
| 00:40.37 | dvs | rocketmagnet: should be |
| 00:40.39 | nolimitsoya | rocketmagnet, if we are talking debian, you dont even need a dvd. the install media is only 150mb |
| 00:40.41 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: they can be a bit flamey |
| 00:40.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill: what happens with you if you wear normal underwear, then? |
| 00:40.44 | cheetahj26 | so it appears my eth0 is gone |
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| 00:40.51 | \amethyst | cheetahj26: have you changed cards recently? |
| 00:40.56 | themill | netdaemon: => #debian-kde |
| 00:40.59 | rocketmagnet | nolimitsoya: where do i find the lenny netinstall ? |
| 00:41.03 | netdaemon | themill: ty |
| 00:41.09 | themill | !install lenny |
| 00:41.09 | dpkg | To install testing, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:41.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill: heeh... so you should start every question with "although I like tcsh better...."? |
| 00:41.20 | cheetahj26 | no not at all.. but i may have broken the original one in debian, i installed kmyfirewall... |
| 00:41.33 | \amethyst | cheetahj26: anyway, it might be that it got renamed |
| 00:41.35 | \amethyst | !z25 |
| 00:41.35 | dpkg | well, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 00:41.45 | cheetahj26 | how would i find out ... ? |
| 00:41.49 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: heh... not if you want them to even accidentally be helpful... |
| 00:42.00 | \amethyst | cheetahj26: you could try ifconfig -a and see if it lists any ethernet cards |
| 00:42.01 | cheetahj26 | if i do.. ifconfig -a it shows eth1, but that wont load either |
| 00:42.07 | \amethyst | cheetahj26: oh, hm |
| 00:42.49 | \amethyst | cheetahj26: have you tried changing the things in /etc/network/interfaces to say eth1 instead of eth0, then doing ifup eth1 ? |
| 00:43.02 | cheetahj26 | yeah... that didnt work |
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| 00:43.15 | cheetahj26 | i even created a static address, but still nothing |
| 00:43.38 | cheetahj26 | is there anyway to reinstall or delete all devices and start over |
| 00:43.50 | dvs | cheetahj25: with udev? reboot |
| 00:43.55 | nolimitsoya | rocketmagnet, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <- use the daily snapshot install cd |
| 00:44.03 | cheetahj26 | whatis udev ? |
| 00:44.04 | nolimitsoya | *weekly |
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| 00:44.08 | dvs | !udev |
| 00:44.08 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules> |
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| 00:44.52 | rocketmagnet | nolimitsoya: i want netinstall |
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| 00:45.16 | loquitus_of_borg | Hey people. I am trying to figure out a way, on the UNIX command line, to generate a JPG that would be a screen capture of a given URL. Know how to do this? |
| 00:45.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... just found that factoid |
| 00:46.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, start a kernel war |
| 00:46.04 | dpkg | Linux is better than Linux!! |
| 00:46.11 | nolimitsoya | rocketmagnet, hm... yes, thats odd. the other option is to install the minimal netinstall version of etch, and then changing repo and doing a distupgrade |
| 00:46.12 | dvs | huh? |
| 00:46.25 | dvs | nolimitsoya: he can't install etch |
| 00:46.33 | nolimitsoya | rocketmagnet, but now we are threading into #debian territory :P |
| 00:46.46 | nolimitsoya | dvs, thats a bother o.O |
| 00:47.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | loquitus_of_borg: I don't think that is possible... at least not easily |
| 00:47.29 | Gm4n | how do I statically configure a network interface? (in my case, eth1) |
| 00:47.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | loquitus_of_borg: you need something to render the html |
| 00:47.37 | dkr | Gm4n: man interfaces |
| 00:47.45 | loquitus_of_borg | cutmeownthroat: yes... could use a browser if there was a way to tell it to grab the screen somehow |
| 00:48.01 | nolimitsoya | rocketmagnet, ah, wait. the netinstall there is the testing one. se the text where it sais to go to another adress for 4.0, and that these images are built daily? :) |
| 00:48.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | loquitus_of_borg: but what you said sounded as if you wouldn't want to use X |
| 00:48.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | loquitus_of_borg: well, there is html2ps... |
| 00:48.49 | nolimitsoya | rocketmagnet, if these are the images that are breaking for you, id suggest trying out todays one, and if that fails, file a bugreport |
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| 00:48.53 | loquitus_of_borg | CutMeOwnThroat: this would be running on a machine that has X windows, per haps, but it is not running |
| 00:49.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | loquitus_of_borg: but I think I tried that and wasn't impressed |
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| 00:49.46 | simonrvn | w3m, lynx/links/links2/w3m-el/... |
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| 00:50.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | loquitus_of_borg: something like "wget URL -O file.html ; html2ps file.html ; convert file.ps file.jpg" should do what you want - but I don't think html2ps works well enough |
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| 00:51.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | loquitus_of_borg: if a firefox is running, I guess you could tell it to fetch, render and print a page with -remote commands - then again you could convert the postscript or pdf (printed to a file) to jpg |
| 00:52.21 | dondelelcaro | or you could just tell it to fetch and use import -window whateverfirefoxwindowis foo.jpg; |
| 00:52.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 00:52.59 | dondelelcaro | you need it running in an X server, but it can be a "fake" X server. |
| 00:53.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | import? |
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| 00:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | wazzat |
| 00:53.21 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, it's part of image-magick |
| 00:53.23 | loquitus_of_borg | dondelelcaro: fake? elaborate... |
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| 00:53.33 | dondelelcaro | loquitus_of_borg: like xmove, possibly xnest |
| 00:54.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: ah, you mean image-magick would make the screenshot |
| 00:54.04 | \amethyst | or Xvfb maybe |
| 00:54.24 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: right; since if you've got an X server running, you can just tell it to import a specific window |
| 00:54.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, actually html2ps fetches the html itself from an url - using css etc. doesnt soound so bad |
| 00:55.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
| 00:55.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | har har |
| 00:55.46 | dondelelcaro | someone must have a program based on libwebkit that does it |
| 00:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | html2ps http://www.swr3.de > tst.ps |
| 00:56.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't the web great? |
| 00:56.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
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| 00:56.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that demonstrates what I mean :) |
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| 00:56.28 | Enron | does debian's default users include "irc" ? |
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| 00:56.52 | Enron | irc:x:39:39:ircd:/var/run/ircd:/bin/sh |
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| 00:57.01 | dondelelcaro | Enron: yes. |
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| 00:58.30 | Bushmills | a while ago there was a discussion going on how to sanction people who apt-get update too often (i.e. more than once or twice a day) ... in that light I am a bit surprised to find a debian package, containing these lines: |
| 00:58.47 | Bushmills | # This plugin needs a cronjob that runs apt-get update every hour or so |
| 00:58.47 | Bushmills | # 53 * * * * root apt-get update > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 00:58.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | there was? |
| 00:59.11 | dondelelcaro | I don't remember any such discussion |
| 00:59.26 | dondelelcaro | but in any event, it is true that there isn't much point to running apt-get update more than twice a day |
| 00:59.33 | Bushmills | a while is, several years now |
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| 00:59.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ehe |
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| 00:59.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | you got a pretty broad definition of "a while" |
| 01:00.15 | Bushmills | this is a plugin which graphically displays the number of updatable packages, in an rrd graph |
| 01:00.19 | Bushmills | part of munin |
| 01:00.54 | Bushmills | I wondered whether that update frequency matter had been resolved by now .. |
| 01:01.33 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: it generally doesn't matter, it's just a waste of cpu time. |
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| 01:02.06 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: if things haven't changed, all that happens is a bunch of GETs which don't result in retrieving anything because nothing has changed |
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| 01:02.47 | Bushmills | ah. so I don't need to fret being firewalled when trying out that plugin :) |
| 01:02.58 | Bushmills | though I might cronjob it to one day or so |
| 01:03.12 | dondelelcaro | it just means you're putting some extra load on the mirror and otherwise wasting cycles when you could easily figure out when the mirror is updated, and run your cronjob an hour or so after that |
| 01:03.43 | Bushmills | yes, sounds reasonable |
| 01:03.44 | dondelelcaro | (though I suppose that you could argue that s.d.o changes at any time, so...) |
| 01:04.13 | Bushmills | oh well, this is not to be able to react to updates immediately, instead it is for statistics plot. |
| 01:04.23 | Bushmills | those don't really need to be on the minute. |
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| 01:12.15 | Gm4n | if I wanted to migrate an old redhat system to debian, could I copy /etc/passwd over? |
| 01:12.34 | dkr | no |
| 01:12.53 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: if you only move the non-system users, yes, otherwise, no. |
| 01:13.00 | dkr | the system accounts are different. you could get away with copying just the lines for users, e.g. ids 500+ |
| 01:13.12 | Gm4n | I only want to move the non-system users, sorry. I should have explained what I meant in more detail :P |
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| 01:13.22 | Gm4n | I was more wondering if teh same password hashing methods were used |
| 01:13.45 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: /etc/shadow specifies the hash used, so yes. |
| 01:13.49 | blindrat | how come bash is not letting me invalidly complete tar commands? like if I use -j and try tab a .gz or use -z and try tab a .bz2 it won't work |
| 01:13.49 | dkr | those aren't in passwd anyway, heh. but yeah crypt or md5 willwork |
| 01:13.51 | kaffien | so if i want a program to manage my wireless networks i use on a regular basis and to detect new ones in a nice gui what is that called in debian? |
| 01:13.58 | blindrat | I didn't know it did that |
| 01:14.08 | \amethyst | blindrat: you probably have bash_completion |
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| 01:14.23 | Gm4n | dondelelcaro, where is the hash specified in /etc/shadow? I just see users, hashes, etc |
| 01:14.40 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: it's in the hash itself. man 5 shadow; |
| 01:14.51 | dkr | Gm4n: just copy the same lines for the users from passwd and shadow both |
| 01:15.47 | Gm4n | alrighty, thanks dondelelcaro and dkr! |
| 01:15.53 | \amethyst | blindrat: it's included with debian's bash; you probably have something like . /etc/bash_completion in /etc/bash.bashrc or in your ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc |
| 01:16.20 | \amethyst | Gm4n: what groups do your users belong to? |
| 01:16.33 | Gm4n | nothing special, just unique per-user groups |
| 01:16.40 | blindrat | \amethyst: I see |
| 01:16.47 | \amethyst | Gm4n: you'll need to copy those too (/etc/group and /etc/gshadow) |
| 01:16.51 | Gm4n | I figure I can write a perl script to adduser each one of 'em, then replace hashes in /etc/shadow with old ones |
| 01:17.53 | \amethyst | that'd work, too |
| 01:18.12 | Gm4n | gotta love perl :P |
| 01:18.22 | Gm4n | (and gotta hate it a week later when I want to read what I wrote) |
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| 01:19.14 | Enron | we just noticed someone uploaded some content onto our server, it was done since last year but we just found some files. I'm not sure how it was exploited |
| 01:19.16 | Enron | -rwxr--r-- 1 500 500 55718 2007-04-27 06:01 1.jpg |
| 01:19.17 | Enron | -rwxr--r-- 1 500 500 69187 2007-04-27 06:01 2.jpg |
| 01:19.17 | Enron | -rw-r--r-- 1 500 500 4691 2007-05-10 01:36 mal.html |
| 01:19.20 | Enron | these 3 files |
| 01:19.54 | Enron | if the person had access to root account or other account it would show as root right? |
| 01:20.12 | liable | me is curious, what are the jpgs of, and the html page? |
| 01:20.33 | dkr | Enron: not necessarily, but most likely |
| 01:20.38 | \amethyst | Enron: do you have a user 500? |
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| 01:20.49 | Enron | first post http://forums.russ.ru/archive/index.php/t-224.html has 3 links all three has mal.htm |
| 01:21.25 | phogg | Enron: if the person had root he could easily change his ID or chown the files. |
| 01:21.32 | dkr | Enron: does user with uid 500 have write perms for the directory they are in? |
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| 01:21.48 | \amethyst | I imagine they just untarred something as root |
| 01:21.57 | Enron | none with uid 500 |
| 01:22.00 | \amethyst | and their archive was built as user 500 |
| 01:22.07 | dkr | ah, yeah |
| 01:22.08 | Enron | I did more /etc/passwd and looked |
| 01:22.18 | dkr | eyegrep-- |
| 01:23.19 | rocketmagnet | when i do netinstall, can i somehow set the mac of the lan card ? |
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| 01:23.47 | rocketmagnet | because i've my old one registered and have only changed my new cards lan to not have to call my isp to change it |
| 01:23.51 | tls_81 | Does the recent update in Testing from sysv-rc 2.86.ds1-38 to sysv-rc 2.86.ds1-47 fix the spind down problem the newer kernels were having with sata drives? |
| 01:23.52 | Enron | whats common between those 3 sites |
| 01:24.20 | Enron | god I hate cleaning up |
| 01:24.57 | liable | rocketmagnet: try on vt2 and see if you have access to ifconfig |
| 01:25.07 | tls_81 | The error message has disapeared from my shutdown, but am still slightly worried as it's a new hdd... |
| 01:25.13 | liable | rocketmagnet: or just install base without the net and change it on reboot |
| 01:25.23 | Enron | \amethyst lots of files are 500 by default |
| 01:25.27 | liable | rocketmagnet: your isp checks your mac address? |
| 01:25.42 | \amethyst | Enron: What kind of files, and where? |
| 01:25.44 | Enron | \amethyst in that folder the actual web content is 500 also |
| 01:25.47 | \amethyst | liable: mine does too |
| 01:25.49 | Enron | other images |
| 01:25.53 | DustyBin | is there a website out there what gives good indepth linux news regards projects, kernels etc ? |
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| 01:25.59 | rocketmagnet | every isp does this... otherwise you could just set an ip an be online... |
| 01:26.01 | liable | \amethyst: why do they do that? |
| 01:26.35 | Enron | they track your modem's mac |
| 01:26.36 | rocketmagnet | for broadband most do |
| 01:26.38 | Enron | not your PC nic |
| 01:26.49 | \amethyst | Enron: mine tracks the PC NIC |
| 01:26.55 | \amethyst | rocketmagnet: you should be able to go to a different VT (Ctrl-Alt-F2), and from there do ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:11:22:blah |
| 01:26.59 | liable | mine uses auth |
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| 01:27.02 | rocketmagnet | Enron: if i change my mac of the lan interface i get no connection at all ... |
| 01:27.07 | Enron | yea thats the shitty isp so you have to clone it with a router or software to share connection |
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| 01:28.09 | rocketmagnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.19 | Supaplex | yeah, Enron should know, he has to manage it by hand ;) |
| 01:28.20 | rocketmagnet | i've read about packages but those just find my dvd |
| 01:28.27 | \amethyst | liable: maybe so they could try selling network sharing equipment |
| 01:28.42 | rocketmagnet | the netinstall i found that was able to find my dvd does not find the lan card :P |
| 01:28.42 | liable | \amethyst: this is cable i take it? |
| 01:28.58 | \amethyst | liable: yup |
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| 01:29.18 | rocketmagnet | is there a way i can start the netinstall that finds my dvd and then just use the normal etch dvd for install ??? |
| 01:29.40 | rocketmagnet | then i have the basic system and can compile the kernel to support my new hardware |
| 01:29.46 | \amethyst | liable: they also monitor ports 25, 53, 80, 8000, and 8080 to make sure they're not open :( |
| 01:29.57 | liable | thats teh suck |
| 01:30.23 | rocketmagnet | i don't want an unstable machine |
| 01:30.29 | rocketmagnet | so i want to get etch running |
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| 01:31.23 | liable | rocketmagnet: you can start the netinstall without the net plugged in, and iirc, it asks if you have additional cd's to use |
| 01:31.26 | rocketmagnet | my problems would be solved if i can start the netinstall that finds my dvd and then just change the repo for install to my etch dvd, can i do so ? |
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| 01:31.40 | liable | why cant you just use the etch dvd? |
| 01:31.59 | rocketmagnet | because it does not support my dvd / and mainboard stuff (P5K) |
| 01:32.02 | rocketmagnet | asus |
| 01:32.17 | liable | so which installer are you using? |
| 01:32.31 | rocketmagnet | it's a compiled one from one guy on the net |
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| 01:32.43 | rocketmagnet | that has near same problem |
| 01:32.59 | liable | so install base with it, then edit your sources.list and add the dvd |
| 01:33.00 | rocketmagnet | but he does not find my onboard lan =( |
| 01:33.06 | liable | !kmuto |
| 01:33.06 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 01:33.38 | wayneward | any repos for kde 4 ppc |
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| 01:33.51 | rocketmagnet | liable: yes i'm using the amd64 one |
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| 01:34.04 | rocketmagnet | and it finds my dvd but not onboad lan =( |
| 01:34.09 | wayneward | what you add to apt sources |
| 01:34.33 | liable | rocketmagnet: try the 32bit one. I have a p5k and the 21 kernel works with the marvell lan chip |
| 01:34.49 | rocketmagnet | liable: the image is only 145mb. is there the base install included ?? |
| 01:35.08 | liable | rocketmagnet: you want the netinst, not the business card iso |
| 01:35.30 | rocketmagnet | would you give me the link for etch / amd64 ? |
| 01:35.52 | liable | that kmuto site has netinst iso's |
| 01:36.33 | rocketmagnet | liable: i've downloaded the netinstall that finds my dvd from there |
| 01:36.56 | rocketmagnet | how do i add my sata dvd to the sources.list ? |
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| 01:37.42 | liable | with a text editor, just add a line like the one already in there |
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| 01:38.23 | rocketmagnet | i'm using vim, but how to specifiy a dvd in a sources.list ? i only have done web adresses |
| 01:38.31 | rocketmagnet | i have only used web addresses before |
| 01:38.45 | garotosops | It seems that bash autocompletes filenames considering if the program can handle that extension. where do I configure what extensions each command can handle? like xine isn't autocompleting .flv files |
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| 01:39.08 | liable | rocketmagnet: go find out on the internet. A good start is the apt-howto |
| 01:39.08 | Garda | whick package is konqueror in? |
| 01:39.12 | Garda | is it kdebase? |
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| 01:39.34 | moshii | Garda: konqueror funnily enough |
| 01:39.45 | garotosops | Garda, http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=konqueror&mode=exactfilename&suite=testing&arch=any |
| 01:40.02 | rocketmagnet | liable: k |
| 01:40.05 | rocketmagnet | ty btw |
| 01:40.17 | liable | np |
| 01:40.44 | smacnay | Is there some sort of eq app for alsa? bass, mid, treble etc.? |
| 01:40.55 | smacnay | better yet, for gnome? |
| 01:41.01 | techouse | how do i compile something for windows in linux? |
| 01:41.03 | techouse | mingw? |
| 01:41.51 | Tramp | garotosops: /etc/bash_completion |
| 01:42.28 | garotosops | Tramp, thank you. |
| 01:42.33 | Tramp | np |
| 01:43.16 | blindrat | would the debian debootstrap work for making a ubuntu gutsy chroot in debian etch? |
| 01:43.43 | moshii | techqbert: there is a cross compiler set in debian iirc |
| 01:44.09 | moshii | smacnay: I think alsamixer shows controls for that if your hardware supports it |
| 01:44.38 | rocketmagnet | liable: can those netinstall installations damage my hardware in any way ? because they write "use it at your own risk" |
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| 01:44.53 | rocketmagnet | are the drivers for the sata stuff experimental ? |
| 01:45.17 | moshii | rocketmagnet: software shouldn't be able to damage hardware.. it can damage data |
| 01:45.18 | liable | rocketmagnet: they just have newer kernels. you will be fine |
| 01:45.30 | rocketmagnet | k |
| 01:45.37 | rocketmagnet | i try and come back |
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| 01:59.00 | eternalswd | I got it working, I just had to re-enable mppe. It didn't work at first, strange. |
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| 02:08.54 | rhombus | I have linux-kernel-headers installed, but I can't find them... where are they in Debian? |
| 02:09.00 | rhombus | Forgive me, I'm new to Debian. |
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| 02:10.32 | lewis | is it possible to have two DHCP servers within the same subnet, for instance, if you wanted VOIP phones to have 10.0.0.1 through 10.0.0.49 and PCs to have 10.0.0.50 to 10.0.0.99 |
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| 02:11.24 | lewis | in fact, is there any point into doing that as opposed to just letting them sort themselves out over 100 addresses? |
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| 02:13.44 | rocketmagnet | liable: the base system is now installed, but it looks like my dvd is damaged |
| 02:13.46 | iblicf | hi, once i know a name (of file ), how can i get the pkg_name which belong it , suppose the pkg have not installed yet ? |
| 02:14.01 | rocketmagnet | i get MD5 checksum errors and "end of device" strings |
| 02:14.07 | Supaplex | !tell iblicf -about apt-file |
| 02:14.16 | rocketmagnet | how can i see if my lan card is found ? |
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| 02:14.34 | rocketmagnet | and if not, how can i compile the kernel to find my lan card ? |
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| 02:14.37 | iblicf | Supaplex, yeah , thanks , i forget it |
| 02:15.15 | rocketmagnet | !tell rocketmagnet -about apt-file |
| 02:16.33 | rocketmagnet | how can i find out if my lan card is found ? or how to config new hardware with debian from console ? |
| 02:16.46 | Supaplex | !tell rocketmagnet -about selltell |
| 02:16.49 | rhombus | I've installed linux-kernel-headers but can't find them. |
| 02:17.12 | DustyBin | rhombus: /usr/src |
| 02:17.16 | Supaplex | rocketmagnet: usually it's autodetected. ifconfig -a. failing that, /msg dpkg which driver |
| 02:17.22 | rhombus | DustyBin: so, they should be there, right? |
| 02:17.26 | DustyBin | aye |
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| 02:17.35 | rhombus | DustyBin: aptitude tells me they are installed but /usr/src is empty |
| 02:17.53 | Supaplex | rhombus: dpkg -L pkgname |
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| 02:18.17 | DustyBin | rhombus: why do you need the headers? |
| 02:18.28 | rhombus | DustyBin: I'm installing VMware, it needs them |
| 02:18.35 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 02:18.51 | rhombus | DustyBin: and they're also good to have for many other reasons (frankly, I think every system should have them by default) |
| 02:19.03 | DustyBin | if your using debian etch you will need to setup the compiler environment to use gcc4.1 |
| 02:19.07 | rhombus | Supaplex: why does Debian put the kernel headers in /usr/include? |
| 02:19.18 | rocketmagnet | Supaplex: has debian an tool to configure hardware ? |
| 02:19.44 | rhombus | DustyBin: I'm using Etch, yes... where can I find out what compiler it's configured to use? |
| 02:19.45 | Supaplex | rhombus: that's where they belong? Were you thinking of kernel source instead? |
| 02:20.17 | Supaplex | rocketmagnet: sort of. there's modconf. if you know what module you need always loaded, add it to /etc/modules |
| 02:20.17 | rhombus | Supaplex: Well, i've always... |
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| 02:20.58 | rocketmagnet | i think more about a general configuration tool for the shell |
| 02:21.04 | rhombus | Supaplex: okay, on my system, they're in /usr/src/linux/include |
| 02:21.11 | Supaplex | !tell rocketmagnet -about modconf |
| 02:21.17 | rhombus | and that's where they've always been, in all the years I've used Linux |
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| 02:21.25 | xuser | What's a good cli music player that can play audio CDs? |
| 02:21.37 | linux_jones | so i just reinstalled debian on my computer, and now when i try to watch videos in firefox it seems like it has a really low FPS, this wasnt a problem the last time it was installed, does anyone have any ideas as to why this would be happening? |
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| 02:22.09 | rhombus | Supaplex: the VMware installer script complains when I give /usr/include as a path |
| 02:23.15 | DustyBin | how does one set the gcc environment variable? |
| 02:23.42 | rhombus | DustyBin: are you asking me? |
| 02:23.53 | rhombus | Supaplex, DustyBin: check it out: http://pastebin.ca/851624 |
| 02:23.59 | DustyBin | not you you silly sod :P |
| 02:24.05 | Supaplex | rhombus: dpkg -S /usr/include has no packages on my system.. |
| 02:24.39 | rhombus | Supaplex: what does that mean? |
| 02:24.43 | Supaplex | !tell rhombus -about vmware |
| 02:24.55 | Supaplex | rhombus: keep dpkg's notes in mind while I try to figure it out. |
| 02:24.59 | DustyBin | rhombus: remove all the headers, and re-install them, MAKING SURE your using the correct headers for your running kernel |
| 02:25.05 | rhombus | Supaplex: i'm not asking about vmware, I'm asking about Debian kernel headers. |
| 02:25.33 | DustyBin | rhombus: i followed this guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_etch_vmware_server_howto |
| 02:25.39 | Supaplex | rhombus: dpkg -l linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 02:25.47 | DustyBin | rhombus: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 02:26.57 | Supaplex | rhombus: ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build is a good clue to :) |
| 02:27.29 | rhombus | Supaplex, DustyBin: http://pastebin.ca/851628 |
| 02:27.34 | rhombus | What's wrong here? |
| 02:27.39 | rocketmagnet | \amethyst: what was the command line to change the mac of an interface ? |
| 02:28.08 | Supaplex | rhombus: did you install linux-headers-`uname -r` or not? |
| 02:28.26 | rhombus | Supaplex: hard to install a package that apt claims doesn't exist |
| 02:29.02 | wald0 | \amethyst: seems like xxdiff, vimdiff, and tkdiff only works with 2 files (a source code + a source code), what i want to use is the patch.diff file with the tree/files to patch, because the patch doesn't are applied correctly... i want to trace these points and add it manually |
| 02:29.07 | rhombus | Supaplex: hang on |
| 02:29.08 | Supaplex | rhombus: maybe it was never installed. try apt-get install. failing that, you have a custom kernel on your hands. |
| 02:29.20 | rhombus | i'm trying again |
| 02:29.24 | DustyBin | No packages found matching linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 02:29.39 | DustyBin | is 2.6.18-5-686 the latest kernel? |
| 02:29.50 | DustyBin | or is there now a 2.6.18-6 ? |
| 02:29.52 | rhombus | DustyBin: I don't know |
| 02:30.06 | rhombus | do you guys use aptitude, or is it just going to confuse/screw me up? Because so far, it seems to have |
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| 02:31.17 | rhombus | That's more like it -- now there's something in /usr/src |
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| 02:31.32 | Supaplex | aptitude is suggested. my apt-get is a hard habbit to break. |
| 02:32.01 | rhombus | Supaplex: is that official? aptitude is the recommended method for package management? |
| 02:32.09 | Supaplex | afaik yes |
| 02:32.17 | rhombus | Supaplex: It's ugly |
| 02:32.26 | Supaplex | it's command line driven to |
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| 02:32.46 | Supaplex | aptitude show foo ; aptitude install that ; aptitude purge bleh |
| 02:32.46 | rhombus | Okay -- here's why I am confused |
| 02:33.08 | rhombus | Supaplex: aptitude says I have 2.6.18-7 version of linux-kernel-headers installed |
| 02:34.01 | rhombus | Supaplex: when I just installed 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 02:34.04 | rhombus | using apt-get |
| 02:34.07 | Supaplex | must be for i386. I'm on amd64 |
| 02:34.18 | DustyBin | fail2ban just locked me out my server bastard |
| 02:34.20 | Sebboh | I have broken my system everytime I've tried to use aptitude. Later I heard that when I use aptitude, I shouldn't use anything else, because it remembers its own state, or something. .. Dunno about all this. I just use apt-get and co. :) |
| 02:34.24 | rhombus | Supaplex: well, it doesn't make any sense |
| 02:34.33 | Supaplex | and I'm using vserver+xen kernel atm. |
| 02:34.46 | rhombus | aren't apt-get and aptitude supposed to be singing from the same songbook? |
| 02:35.02 | Supaplex | their invocation differs |
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| 02:35.11 | rhombus | Supaplex: how do you mean? |
| 02:35.19 | rhombus | The package names are different? |
| 02:35.19 | Supaplex | try --help |
| 02:35.28 | Sebboh | rhombus: that's what I would have thought, but, I have heard otherwise. Perhaps someone will clear these muddy waters for us now. |
| 02:35.36 | Supaplex | no. invocation, as in not all commands are interchangeable |
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| 02:35.56 | Sebboh | a difference in invocation wouldn't be a substantial problem.. |
| 02:36.04 | rhombus | Supaplex: but that's not my concern -- my concern is that aptitude says I have one version of a package installed, and apt-get says I have another |
| 02:36.14 | rhombus | Sebboh: exactly |
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| 02:36.32 | Supaplex | rhombus: ok, I've never heard of that problem before. |
| 02:36.49 | rhombus | Supaplex: i'll pastebin it |
| 02:37.12 | Supaplex | rafb.net/paste is eaiser on my ncurses useragent :) |
| 02:37.23 | rhombus | okay, now I'm super confused |
| 02:37.40 | Supaplex | and I'm aloof. fill me in :) |
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| 02:38.29 | rhombus | Supaplex: what is the difference between linux-headers and linux-kernel-headers? |
| 02:38.39 | K|NgGh0sT | What's the easiest way to shrink my Debian partition? |
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| 02:39.14 | Growly | guys |
| 02:39.14 | Supaplex | rhombus: aptitude show linux-headers | grep --color not |
| 02:39.52 | Supaplex | K|NgGh0sT: resize2fs, provided online resizing is available. otherwise a live-cd should do the trick. |
| 02:40.00 | rhombus | Supaplex: very funny |
| 02:40.01 | Growly | winbind and nss problem here: wbinfo -u will list my domain users, as i'm joined to to the domain, and i can log into samba with domain credentials - but getent passwd only shows local users |
| 02:40.16 | Growly | i think last time there was a missing /usr/lib file, but there's nothing in the logs |
| 02:40.26 | Growly | anyone have any ideas? |
| 02:40.27 | K|NgGh0sT | Supaplex, alright thanks,gonna give it a go |
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| 02:40.44 | Kalamansi | hello how to share internet connection and setup firewalls and filtering the downloads and uploads and also block video streaming like youtube that can kill my bandwidth? my outpput is this modem isp -- > server pc1 debian as my router-->switch ---> pc2 and pc3 |
| 02:40.52 | Supaplex | rhombus: it's a virtual package with many packages that satisfy it. this allows other packages to simply depend on linux-headers |
| 02:41.00 | wasjr | is there a nslookup tool for debian ? |
| 02:41.08 | Supaplex | wasjr: dig |
| 02:41.22 | Bushmills | Kalamansi: iptables |
| 02:41.27 | Supaplex | Kalamansi: try one question at a time. |
| 02:41.31 | Supaplex | !tell Kalamansi -about nat |
| 02:41.34 | Growly | wasjr - you can use nslookup too |
| 02:41.35 | dondelelcaro | wasjr: nslookup exists too, but it's been deprecated in favor of dig. |
| 02:41.42 | Growly | snap :p |
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| 02:41.58 | wasjr | i tried to install nslookup via, aptitude.. but it says cannot be found |
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| 02:42.11 | ibm_ | i need help i am in troubl, does anybody help me? i v'e get this message at start "Cant acess ACPI event in /var/run/"ACPID Socket! Make sur the ACPI Subsystem is working and the ACPID daemon is working |
| 02:42.30 | Supaplex | wasjr: it's part of dnsutils |
| 02:42.44 | ibm_ | bonesoir a tous ,i need help i am in troubl, does anybody help me? i v'e get this message at start "Cant acess ACPI event in /var/run/"ACPID Socket! Make sur the ACPI Subsystem is working and the ACPID daemon is working |
| 02:42.46 | wasjr | thanks... install dig didnt work either |
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| 02:43.29 | ibm_ | i need help i am in troubl, does anybody help me? i v'e get this message at start "Cant acess ACPI event in /var/run/"ACPID Socket! Make sur the ACPI Subsystem is working and the ACPID daemon is working |
| 02:43.29 | rhombus | DustyBin: thanks for that link, by the way |
| 02:43.32 | Supaplex | wasjr: it's part of dnsutils also :) apt-file is your friend. apt-file search bin/foo |
| 02:43.39 | Supaplex | !tell ibm_ -about repeat |
| 02:43.46 | ibm_ | i need help i am in troubl, does anybody help me? i v'e get this message at start "Cant acess ACPI event in /var/run/"ACPID Socket! Make sur the ACPI Subsystem is working and the ACPID daemon is working |
| 02:43.48 | rhombus | DustyBin: this one actually makes sense -- I was running off the one for Sarge because I thought that's all there was |
| 02:43.49 | dondelelcaro | !tell wasjr -about search |
| 02:44.05 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 02:44.16 | Supaplex | !tell ibm_ -about it |
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| 02:44.47 | ibm_ | how to autostart acpid daemon |
| 02:44.53 | ibm_ | i need help i am in troubl, does anybody help me? i v'e get this message at start "Cant acess ACPI event in /var/run/"ACPID Socket! Make sur the ACPI Subsystem is working and the ACPID daemon is working |
| 02:44.59 | liable | it should get run at boot |
| 02:45.05 | liable | ibm_: stop repeating |
| 02:45.17 | wasjr | ahh apt-file ... man im learning more and more everyday... thank you :) |
| 02:45.31 | ibm_ | what can i do i lost my lunguage |
| 02:45.32 | Bushmills | wasjr: dlocate is quite cool too |
| 02:45.44 | wald0 | i can split a PATCH that includes various patches in separated files ? |
| 02:46.17 | dondelelcaro | wald0: yes. |
| 02:46.51 | Kalamansi | how to share internet to pc 1 and pc2? output : modem isp ---> pc0 server debian --> switch pc1 and pc2 |
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| 02:47.10 | ChElAnO | hi there |
| 02:47.23 | liable | ibm_: is acpid even installed? |
| 02:47.33 | dondelelcaro | Kalamansi: so long as the debian server has two cards, install ipmasq, and set up the internal interface connected to the switch with a non-routable address |
| 02:48.05 | dondelelcaro | Kalamansi: configure pc1 and pc2 to use pc0's internal interface's address as their default gateway and the isp's dns servers. |
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| 02:49.06 | Kalamansi | dondelelcaro : i will put the isp's dns to pc1 and pc2? what if my cousins will flood the dns? i am afraid my downloads will lost and internet will down. im not sure if im right |
| 02:49.35 | dondelelcaro | Kalamansi: if your cousins use the network, it'll be slower, but that's normal. |
| 02:51.11 | Kalamansi | dondelelcaro how to install ipmasq? |
| 02:51.55 | dondelelcaro | Kalamansi: aptitude install ipmasq; of course. |
| 02:52.06 | dondelelcaro | (there are other things out there besides ipmasq, but whatever) |
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| 02:53.37 | mythomaniac | does debian dvd's come with all packages? |
| 02:53.59 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: the full set comes with everything in main. |
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| 02:54.11 | dondelelcaro | (for whatever architecture the full set is for) |
| 02:54.28 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 02:54.40 | dondelelcaro | *a* dvd won't have every package, though. |
| 02:56.09 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro: correct, though if d/l all dvds for an architecture and using aptoncd perhaps one can get all the files that once were installed on their system back again if things should go bad? |
| 02:56.26 | mythomaniac | Supaplex: that would be nice |
| 02:57.25 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: you can just download them again anyway |
| 02:57.38 | Kalamansi | dondelelcaro debian is also ubuntu? |
| 02:57.41 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro: yeah i am |
| 02:57.51 | mythomaniac | debian is the father of ubuntu |
| 02:58.03 | wald0 | dondelelcaro: mmh, how ? man diff ? man patch ? |
| 02:58.19 | dondelelcaro | wald0: you just edit them |
| 02:58.26 | Supaplex | !tell Kalamansi -about ubuntu |
| 02:58.28 | DustyBin | debian is a mature distro, ubuntu is a immature distro |
| 02:58.34 | mythomaniac | LOl |
| 02:58.38 | mythomaniac | that sums it up |
| 02:58.43 | dondelelcaro | wald0: rip the pieces that you want, kill the ones that you don't. |
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| 02:59.26 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: is that image a thumbnail or something? |
| 02:59.58 | wald0 | dondelelcaro: yes but i mean a automated way :/ im also searching a way to apply a patch manually (graphically, looking at the parts and see where needs to go those rejected parts |
| 03:00.25 | Kalamansi | Supaplex how to install firewalls? |
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| 03:01.41 | Supaplex | Kalamansi: The Linux firewall code is called iptables. If you need some app to manage it, ask dpkg about search |
| 03:01.48 | mythomaniac | apt-get firestarter if using gnome or guarddog, for a gui to iptables the firewall codded in the kernel Kalamansi |
| 03:01.51 | dondelelcaro | wald0: how do you expect to be able to figure out which parts of a patch to split out if you do it automatically? |
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| 03:02.04 | Supaplex | Kalamansi: there's the iptables-howto as well. (great piece of documenation) |
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| 03:02.36 | mythomaniac | though iptables is a bit much to learn off the bat |
| 03:02.42 | Supaplex | humm... it could be the netfilter howto. I've internalized a lot of it. |
| 03:02.44 | dondelelcaro | wald0: and as far as manually goes, emacs can do it, as can any editor; you just look at the .rej and search for the matching bits in the file. |
| 03:02.49 | Kalamansi | which is better? firestarter or guarddod? |
| 03:02.54 | DustyBin | C64 v Spectrum, Amiga 4 Atari ST, Apple Mac v PC, Debian v Ubuntu. flame wars FTW |
| 03:03.00 | Kalamansi | user friendly and easy to config |
| 03:03.00 | wald0 | dondelelcaro: well, i want to set the CK patches of 2.6.22 to a 2.6.24, but of course there's can be a lot of rejects.. i want to trace them and see where can be put |
| 03:03.05 | mythomaniac | you use gnome Kalamansi? |
| 03:03.13 | K|NgGh0sT | Hello, I was wondering if anyone could walk me through resizing my LVM. I don't want to screw up and lose all my data |
| 03:03.26 | Kalamansi | gnome is a gui? i guess yes. like x windows with graphical |
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| 03:03.33 | dondelelcaro | wald0: so you've got to go through the rejects and manually figure out what changes are required. You do that by opening up the .rej and the files involved, and editing them. |
| 03:03.34 | mythomaniac | ;) |
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| 03:03.45 | Kalamansi | mythomaniac : im not sure if im using gnome either |
| 03:03.45 | WellingtonIII | i like cheese |
| 03:03.52 | dondelelcaro | K|NgGh0sT: step one is backup |
| 03:04.00 | Supaplex | !nickometer K|NgGh0sT |
| 03:04.01 | dpkg | 'K|NgGh0sT' is 52.000% lame, supaplex |
| 03:04.02 | Kalamansi | mythomaniac its my fresh install tho. |
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| 03:04.13 | wald0 | ok |
| 03:04.13 | Kalamansi | mythomaniac : how to know mate? |
| 03:05.05 | K|NgGh0sT | dondelelcaro, already did |
| 03:05.11 | mythomaniac | do you have a bar at the top with a little foot and say applications places desktop, Kalamansi? |
| 03:05.15 | dondelelcaro | K|NgGh0sT: then your next step is to shrink the filesystem |
| 03:05.28 | Kalamansi | yes |
| 03:05.35 | Kalamansi | yes mythomaniac |
| 03:05.46 | Supaplex | K|NgGh0sT: the lvm2 howto covers these steps in pretty good detail. |
| 03:05.49 | K|NgGh0sT | dondelelcaro, sorry forgot to add. I'm adding a new disk to the LVM |
| 03:05.57 | mythomaniac | ok you are using gnome kalamansi - install firestarter |
| 03:06.33 | dondelelcaro | K|NgGh0sT: that doesn't matter; you can format that and vgextend at any time. |
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| 03:06.54 | dondelelcaro | K|NgGh0sT: oh, you mean you're making your filesystem bigger |
| 03:07.02 | K|NgGh0sT | Yes |
| 03:07.49 | dondelelcaro | K|NgGh0sT: so yeah, partition that device appropriately, then pvcreate to create the physical volume, then vgextend to add it to a volume group |
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| 03:08.01 | Supaplex | K|NgGh0sT: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/commontask.html |
| 03:08.19 | dondelelcaro | or follow the howto. ;-) |
| 03:09.02 | Supaplex | don't underestimate this howto by it's size. imo it's fantastic. |
| 03:11.05 | K|NgGh0sT | How do I take my vg offline so I can umount it? |
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| 03:12.26 | dondelelcaro | you shouldn't need to take a vg offline |
| 03:12.31 | Supaplex | I think you have the ends and means mixed up |
| 03:12.37 | pipeline | K|NgGh0sT: You can't take it offline until it's unmounted :P |
| 03:13.05 | K|NgGh0sT | oh I see my issue I had a / after the vg name |
| 03:13.17 | Supaplex | and depending on what you're doing, you don't have to take it offline |
| 03:14.18 | K|NgGh0sT | Supaplex, I'm actually making this computers partition smaller, and my servers bigger heh |
| 03:14.18 | DustyBin | will there one day be a ext4 ? |
| 03:14.30 | Supaplex | !ext4 |
| 03:14.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with <ext3>, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. Currently not supported by e2fsprogs (see bug #425477). |
| 03:14.38 | DustyBin | interesting |
| 03:14.44 | wald0 | !reiser4 |
| 03:14.44 | dpkg | hmm... reiser4 is If you want Reiser4, why are you using debian? |
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| 03:15.04 | wald0 | reiser4 is not sufficient stable ? |
| 03:15.23 | K|NgGh0sT | Alright, I pvcreated the device, then vgextended it, but it seems to be the same size |
| 03:15.28 | mythomaniac | !ext2 |
| 03:15.28 | dpkg | from memory, ext2 is the standard Linux filesystem, see also resize2fs, or a 2GB filesize For larger files you need a 2.4.x kernel, *and* a glibc which has been compiled against 2.4.x kernel headers. |
| 03:15.49 | Kevin` | K|NgGh0sT you need to grow the filesystem too |
| 03:15.59 | wald0 | anybody uses reiser4 ? |
| 03:16.36 | Supaplex | !start a fs war |
| 03:16.36 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
| 03:16.54 | mythomaniac | !ext3 |
| 03:16.54 | dpkg | methinks ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <xfs> and <ricerfs>. |
| 03:17.08 | Kevin` | K|NgGh0sT oh wait, you didn't extend an actual volume, did you, just the vg |
| 03:17.39 | wald0 | !ricerfs |
| 03:17.39 | dpkg | methinks ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See <reiserfs> for real info. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 03:17.52 | wald0 | lol |
| 03:18.11 | mythomaniac | wow i love dpkg's humor |
| 03:18.13 | K|NgGh0sT | Kevin`, all did was mkfs.xfs /dev/sdb pvcreate /dev/sdb vgextend vg0 /dev/sdb |
| 03:18.37 | Kevin` | K|NgGh0sT why did you do mkfs |
| 03:19.04 | K|NgGh0sT | assumed I had to |
| 03:19.18 | Kevin` | you do that on the logical volume, not the physical ones |
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| 03:19.34 | Supaplex | the only production application of reiser I've seen that made sense, was for squid's cache |
| 03:20.06 | mythomaniac | squid = proxy Supaplex? |
| 03:20.29 | Supaplex | Internet Object Cache (WWW proxy cache) |
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| 03:20.53 | Kevin` | K|NgGh0sT physical volumes provide storage that any (unless you restrict it somehow) logical volume or snapshot in a volume group can use |
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| 03:21.33 | K|NgGh0sT | Kevin`, oh, well what do I do now? xfs_growfs /dev/vg0/htpc ? |
| 03:21.34 | Supaplex | insert 'Pg' into Sipingal.dbms; |
| 03:22.02 | Supaplex | K|NgGh0sT: file systems should be on logical volumes |
| 03:22.10 | Kevin` | K|NgGh0sT extend the logical volume to whatever size you need first |
| 03:22.24 | Supaplex | K|NgGh0sT: nm, got confused with vg0 there. |
| 03:22.58 | K|NgGh0sT | Kevin`, I want to make it the whole drive |
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| 03:24.24 | Kevin` | K|NgGh0sT lvextend I believe |
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| 03:26.41 | Supaplex | there's lvresize -L... use pvscan to see how much space is available for lv's |
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| 03:27.31 | K|NgGh0sT | missed 60megs, ah well |
| 03:28.52 | K|NgGh0sT | Thanks guys |
| 03:28.54 | K|NgGh0sT | You all rock |
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| 03:29.58 | Kevin` | http://rafb.net/p/u9lpts92.html - random example for the guy who left :/ |
| 03:30.43 | Smeagol | how stable is lenny, ive got a new pc and 2.6.22 and a newer xorg works well with it |
| 03:30.43 | teekay_ | you tell me |
| 03:31.11 | Smeagol | ive got about 9 monthe experience with linux and would like to give debian a go |
| 03:32.02 | mephux | why? |
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| 03:32.14 | docta_v | how can i tell apt-mirror to mirror more than the native architecture of the system in question |
| 03:32.18 | docta_v | the system is amd64 |
| 03:32.24 | docta_v | i want to do i386 and amd64 |
| 03:32.27 | Smeagol | why what mephux |
| 03:32.48 | mephux | "would like to give debian a go" <----- why? |
| 03:33.03 | Smeagol | ah |
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| 03:34.43 | Smeagol | ive heard good things about it, the amount of packages, synaptic and deb based files, the maturity of the distro |
| 03:34.53 | Smeagol | among other things |
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| 03:35.27 | mephux | why not Ubuntu? |
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| 03:35.36 | dbmoodb | !ubuntu |
| 03:35.36 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 03:35.53 | mephux | no no no |
| 03:35.55 | Smeagol | basically im looking for a distro home now that i know enough to function in linux |
| 03:36.00 | mephux | Smeagol: why not Ubuntu |
| 03:36.27 | dbmoodb | ... |
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| 03:36.34 | Smeagol | ubuntu releases to much i feel like they rush things a bit |
| 03:36.56 | Gnurdux | ubuntu releases about as much as most distros, other than debian |
| 03:37.06 | Gnurdux | debian has a particularly long release cycle |
| 03:37.07 | mephux | hmm |
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| 03:37.27 | Smeagol | purely my opinion but isnt what makes ubuntu as good as it is being debian based |
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| 03:37.39 | bulio | is it possible to read/write to an NTFS drive on debian? |
| 03:37.43 | mephux | the fact of the matter is.. Debian was first.. We use it because its the original.. any other reason is bullshit and stupid |
| 03:37.48 | Gnurdux | Smeagol, partly; it gives it a big package repository |
| 03:37.49 | Supaplex | !tell bulio -about ntfs-3g |
| 03:38.04 | Gnurdux | ubuntu tries to play the "user friendly" game too much for my taste |
| 03:38.05 | Smeagol | plus i would like to have said ive tried debian |
| 03:38.20 | Gnurdux | especially what they do with root |
| 03:38.20 | bulio | Supaplex: doesn't work in etch? |
| 03:38.29 | Smeagol | in the process of finding my preferred distro |
| 03:38.31 | mephux | User Friendly.. ? well to a degree it should be... |
| 03:38.33 | Supaplex | bulio: you'll need backports |
| 03:38.39 | mephux | god help me if my wife is not use friendly |
| 03:38.51 | Gnurdux | Smeagol, debian only releases maybe twice every 3 years though |
| 03:38.56 | xlotlu | that didn't sound right |
| 03:39.02 | mephux | oh it did.. |
| 03:39.02 | Supaplex | bulio: it was removed from etch before release (or shortly thereafter) due to stablity/quality concerns |
| 03:39.22 | mephux | interface and everything xlotlu |
| 03:39.36 | xlotlu | haha |
| 03:39.55 | mephux | ;) |
| 03:40.33 | xlotlu | mephux: i actually use debian instead of ubuntu on my desktop & laptop because on some release upgrade ubuntu decided to ship with borked lvm, not working under raid1 |
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| 03:40.40 | Nyle | haha |
| 03:40.41 | Nyle | omg |
| 03:40.47 | xlotlu | and on the servers.. well because it's debian |
| 03:40.53 | Smeagol | and thats fine gnurdux its just that some of the hardware that was given to me is new and id need to use lenny initially |
| 03:41.01 | Nyle | cool, I was eathing a piece of chicken i cooked and watching lord of the rings, I look over, and see Smeagol in here |
| 03:41.05 | Nyle | hehehe, cool |
| 03:41.23 | xlotlu | and hell i won't put any distro that does that kind of crap testing before major realeases on the customers' servers |
| 03:41.27 | Gnurdux | ive been using testing since before sarge came out, and ive only had an issue once |
| 03:41.53 | Gnurdux | (when i say before sarge came out, i first got debian when sarge WAS testing) |
| 03:42.00 | Smeagol | ok good |
| 03:42.05 | mephux | look.. Ubuntu is Debian.. just like Mac OS is Unix.. just like transvestites are men.. no matter how hard they try.. |
| 03:42.15 | Nyle | mephux: what!? |
| 03:42.21 | moshii | mephux: no ubuntu is a fork |
| 03:42.22 | Nyle | oh |
| 03:42.28 | Nyle | I was about to say |
| 03:42.32 | Nyle | moshii: hes being sarcastic |
| 03:42.52 | moshii | mephux: and the technical term is he/she |
| 03:43.01 | mephux | shemale? |
| 03:43.23 | mephux | i like shemale personaly |
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| 03:43.33 | moshii | nah, that's the question you think to yourself when you see one "she male?" |
| 03:43.43 | mephux | oohh |
| 03:43.45 | mephux | true |
| 03:43.48 | mephux | good point |
| 03:43.49 | Nyle | I wonder |
| 03:43.52 | Nyle | I mean |
| 03:43.57 | Smeagol | at first i was just happy to be using linux period and id liked ubuntu but know that i know enough to function i wonder which distro is the best for me and from what ive seen i think i might like debian |
| 03:44.01 | Nyle | they make these she males from scratch these days |
| 03:44.02 | Nyle | right? |
| 03:44.06 | xlotlu | ugh, all my keys refuse to repeat... i wonder why |
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| 03:44.21 | mephux | Smeagol: get a mac |
| 03:44.27 | mephux | ;) |
| 03:44.30 | moshii | xlotlu: you're not pressing hard enough |
| 03:44.39 | DustyBin | debian can do everything what ubuntu can do so i do not see the logic in using it |
| 03:44.53 | moshii | mephux: I have a mac, I don't use mac os |
| 03:45.01 | mephux | moshii: umm |
| 03:45.03 | Nyle | all the shemales now have breast implants, and ass implants, and colligen, and electrolosys and hair removal and hair extensions and make up and I'm wondering... if I was to get a shemale... |
| 03:45.04 | mephux | why? |
| 03:45.04 | Supaplex | DustyBin: i'm not going to force anyone to use one over the other. caveat emptor :p~~ |
| 03:45.16 | DustyBin | Supaplex: i am |
| 03:45.16 | moshii | DustyBin: because that shutle guy has a really shiney head, that's reason enough |
| 03:45.18 | danf_1979 | I have used both, and my vote is for debian |
| 03:45.21 | Nyle | i know its got a dick, i know that, but even if it did have a vagina, i'd still try to poon it in the ass anyway |
| 03:45.24 | Nyle | how do i lose? |
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| 03:45.35 | DukeDrake | Hi . |
| 03:45.35 | Nyle | but most people never think about stupid stuff like this |
| 03:45.36 | xlotlu | and all my keys refuse to repeat despite doing setxkbmap |
| 03:45.40 | Supaplex | funny that. i'm in #debian. guess my vote is in. |
| 03:45.41 | Nyle | so anyway |
| 03:45.44 | danf_1979 | ubuntu is very nice, more than debian, but debian is more stable, even sid |
| 03:45.47 | Nyle | Supaplex: hey man whats up |
| 03:45.50 | DukeDrake | I need to manually remove a program from a debian installation |
| 03:45.56 | Nyle | i don't like ubuntu |
| 03:45.59 | Nyle | i dislike it |
| 03:45.59 | moshii | danf_1979: stable? |
| 03:46.02 | DukeDrake | how can I do that? |
| 03:46.16 | moshii | danf_1979: stability is down to kernel/hardware |
| 03:46.25 | DustyBin | danf_1979: nice in what way? the brown look of ubuntu is horrible to say the least, last time i looked at ubuntu they couldnt even get the terminal font right |
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| 03:46.47 | mephux | Ubuntu is fine.. who cares.. so dudes like men (Nyle) some like females.. (rest of us) its all up the the person using it.. |
| 03:47.11 | DustyBin | would you trust a distro what has been around since 1993 or a distro what has been around since 2003 ? |
| 03:47.18 | Populace | How do I make a particular user a part of the sudoers? |
| 03:47.22 | penp | :| |
| 03:47.28 | Smeagol | exactly and thats why id mentioned being right for me |
| 03:47.29 | moshii | mephux: indeed, all that really matters is that you join #ubuntu instead if you happen to run ubuntu |
| 03:47.31 | dondelelcaro | Populace: visudo, and add them to it. |
| 03:47.38 | penp | i wish a bot would just kick people at the mention of the word ubuntu |
| 03:47.49 | DustyBin | agreed |
| 03:47.54 | penp | its just trolls |
| 03:47.56 | Nyle | I was just saying hypothetically |
| 03:47.57 | penp | plz stop feeding them |
| 03:47.58 | mephux | penp: go join the nazi party. |
| 03:48.04 | penp | la la la |
| 03:48.12 | Nyle | but I've came to my current opinion of ubuntu by actually using it for a while |
| 03:48.14 | danf_1979 | moshii: yes, but there are configurations that _do_ affect apt system and overall stability. Besize, software do affect stability, and not just what you say. |
| 03:48.16 | Nyle | getting to knwo the community |
| 03:48.22 | Nyle | and whatever I saw, I did not like |
| 03:48.28 | Nyle | can't blame me for it :) |
| 03:48.31 | Populace | dondelelcaro: Sorry, I'm not quite clear on what you mean by that :( |
| 03:48.41 | elky | mephux, dont sink to his level |
| 03:48.42 | moshii | danf_1979: bad software shouldn't be able to crash the kernel |
| 03:48.45 | DustyBin | Nyle: what is there to know? ubuntu has already been done, its called debian? |
| 03:48.54 | mephux | Ubuntu is fine.. Debian is better (for me) others may not think so.. |
| 03:48.55 | Nyle | huh? |
| 03:48.58 | mephux | elky: word |
| 03:49.01 | danf_1979 | ando who says stability is = kernel? |
| 03:49.04 | Smeagol | i really feel like i enjoy the debian in ubuntu but i dont always need the latest and greatest and having to sacrifice stability |
| 03:49.11 | dondelelcaro | Populace: visudo opens /etc/sudoers in an editor; you just edit /etc/sudoers using visudo to add people. man sudoers; for the full syntax. |
| 03:49.13 | moshii | danf_1979: that's why we don't use co-operative multitasking and such anymore |
| 03:49.19 | elky | meanwhile, for the rest of you, put the jealousy monster to bed and get on with life already |
| 03:49.19 | Nyle | I I like stability |
| 03:49.30 | Nyle | fuck new stuff |
| 03:49.31 | dondelelcaro | Populace: there are examples there, or if you're totally lost, you can show us your best guess, and we can correct it for you. |
| 03:49.31 | DustyBin | testing lenny is more stable than ubuntu stable |
| 03:49.44 | Nyle | well you have to look at the facts |
| 03:49.44 | Populace | dondelelcaro: Ok cool. Thanks |
| 03:50.05 | mephux | Look one major fallacy in Ubuntu is it defaults to GNOME.. |
| 03:50.10 | danf_1979 | moshii: I think you're missing the point. I do think ubuntu is ok, but upgrading from one version to another is a hell on earth. Even installing kde4 from a "ubuntu server" installation was impossible. With debian, no problem. |
| 03:50.12 | moshii | DustyBin: which is probably a result of putting nasty things in the kernel |
| 03:50.25 | DukeDrake | How can I remove programs from /etc/rc?.d/ ? |
| 03:50.40 | Nyle | first they use sid, then they add patches to it god knows how they try to fix the bugs that arent' even fixed in debian, then on top of that they add so much addons and polish stuff and other extras which introduces new bugs and even more instability |
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| 03:50.44 | penp | the day i see ubuntu running successfully on enterprise level servers i will respect it |
| 03:50.48 | penp | :| |
| 03:50.52 | Nyle | I mean what is the ubuntu QA dept. doing? |
| 03:50.53 | moshii | danf_1979: what your saying now has nothing to do with stability.. |
| 03:50.55 | DustyBin | even debian experimental is more stable than ubuntu stable |
| 03:50.57 | dondelelcaro | ugh. folks, take the ubuntu discussion elsehwere, please. |
| 03:51.01 | penp | lol |
| 03:51.02 | penp | word |
| 03:51.03 | Nyle | nm |
| 03:51.11 | Supaplex | oh, I can come back now? yay. |
| 03:51.12 | danf_1979 | moshii: apt system must be stable |
| 03:51.15 | dondelelcaro | it's not on topic here at all. Discuss Ubuntu in #ubuntu if you must. |
| 03:51.25 | moshii | danf_1979: define stable.. you mean works? |
| 03:51.37 | Nyle | hm |
| 03:51.40 | Supaplex | or in #debian-dont-give-a-flying-leap :D |
| 03:51.46 | wasjr | how can i give a normal user rights to mount and umount drives ? |
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| 03:51.53 | wasjr | or is that by default ? |
| 03:51.56 | Nyle | I thin if you look at the definition of "stable" in the dictionary you will see OpenBSD |
| 03:51.59 | Nyle | heh |
| 03:52.08 | mephux | penp: were I work we run all are IDS and IPS systems on Ubuntu |
| 03:52.09 | Nyle | or should anyway ;) |
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| 03:52.14 | danf_1979 | I'm not refering to neutrons or electrons moshii. If a system does not work, for any cause, then it is not stable. |
| 03:52.16 | mephux | where* |
| 03:52.18 | xlotlu | now this is all wrong... xset r on; xset r rate 1 1; still no repeat.. and it does work in the console so x is doing something messy |
| 03:52.47 | DustyBin | where do people see the logic of using a distro what is based on another distro? |
| 03:53.13 | moshii | danf_1979: stable means it works and will continue working.. i.e. the kernel is stable because it doesn't randomly oops |
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| 03:53.22 | mephux | DustyBin: Dunno ask Lin T. .. Unix.. hhmm |
| 03:53.46 | xlotlu | or win me users |
| 03:53.56 | mateo | waht time is it? |
| 03:53.57 | DustyBin | and as for Linus Torvalds, think of the people he has made poor and out of work by making the linux world GPL |
| 03:54.07 | Gnurdux | not many |
| 03:54.12 | moshii | DustyBin: and lots of people rich |
| 03:54.14 | mephux | lol |
| 03:54.16 | DustyBin | :P |
| 03:54.16 | Gnurdux | people who know how to program can find jobs |
| 03:54.26 | mephux | DustyBin: 5 people.. |
| 03:54.28 | mephux | tops |
| 03:54.29 | xlotlu | he certainly made poor bill gates poorer than he could've been |
| 03:54.31 | moshii | Busybox has also made a bunch of people money.. |
| 03:54.49 | mephux | xlotlu: please don't insult use.. |
| 03:55.06 | danf_1979 | moshii: if you put define:stable in google, you'll see debian is on first page :P |
| 03:55.34 | danf_1979 | heh |
| 03:55.43 | mephux | danf_1979: type: i am super gay .. look at the first link |
| 03:55.56 | moshii | danf_1979: that's because of the stable keyword appearing a lot. Stable meaning "a stable set of packages" in that context |
| 03:56.03 | Supaplex | danf_1979: you mean if 'you' put. when I do that, it's third. |
| 03:56.12 | xlotlu | DustyBin: i earn all my money using gpl/bsd-licensed tools.. |
| 03:56.30 | mephux | xlotlu: same |
| 03:56.54 | mephux | xlotlu: snort, nagios, splunk so on.. |
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| 03:57.16 | mephux | splunk kind of.. |
| 03:57.26 | mephux | nevermind.. well its free.. anyways.. |
| 03:57.42 | Supaplex | mephux: it's kinda evil to? |
| 03:58.02 | mephux | btw.. if you have not used Splunk.. get it now.. splunk.com |
| 03:58.07 | xlotlu | any suggestions about resetting xkb without restarting x? |
| 03:58.25 | danf_1979 | I just would like to see any ubuntu user with a 2 year old desktop, with the most recent version. There are none. |
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| 03:58.50 | mephux | danf_1979: get a job and buy a new computer |
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| 03:58.58 | danf_1979 | Even a year would be difficult |
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| 03:59.03 | dondelelcaro | ugh. why are we still talking about ubuntu? |
| 03:59.07 | mephux | lol |
| 03:59.11 | DustyBin | jeeze yes |
| 03:59.16 | moshii | yeah, getting very old. |
| 03:59.19 | Smeagol | thanks for the info everybody ive got to run for now, will give lenny a try though |
| 03:59.25 | mephux | what else is there to talk about? |
| 03:59.39 | xlotlu | my keys not repeating! |
| 03:59.43 | mephux | LOL |
| 03:59.46 | dondelelcaro | if there's nothing else to talk about, wait expectantly. |
| 04:00.02 | mephux | should we help xlotlu ? |
| 04:00.11 | dondelelcaro | or better, help fix bugs, triage them, and/or file more bugs |
| 04:00.24 | moshii | nah, he seems to stable be able to type.. thats enough for anyone ;) |
| 04:00.29 | mephux | i dont use debian.. |
| 04:00.30 | Supaplex | pop quiz, what gpl program is in use for this listing? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=130181058842 |
| 04:00.35 | mephux | in fact i have never used it |
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| 04:02.09 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: hint: it's in the testdisk package |
| 04:02.27 | Supaplex | humm |
| 04:02.51 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: you rawk. thanks for saving me a few bucks :) |
| 04:03.30 | dondelelcaro | dunno if it's the same one, but photorec should do a similar job |
| 04:03.32 | Tramp | xlotlu: "xset r on" ? |
| 04:03.54 | xlotlu | Tramp: [05:52] <xlotlu> now this is all wrong... xset r on; xset r rate 1 1; still no repeat.. and it does work in the console so x is doing something messy |
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| 04:04.46 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: uh... a rate of 1 1 isn't much of a repeat. |
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| 04:06.11 | Tramp | one per second after 1 millisecond delay, if I read the manpage correctly ... |
| 04:06.18 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: you almost certainly want something like xset r rate 170 40; or similar. |
| 04:06.53 | xlotlu | dondelelcaro: i was just trying to make it repeat, not tune it... |
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| 04:06.57 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: and if it's not working still, give us the output of xset q; |
| 04:08.18 | Populace | Why do people keep telling me I should be using Ubuntu for my desktop instead of Etch? |
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| 04:08.46 | dondelelcaro | Populace: because people will tell you anything |
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| 04:09.01 | xlotlu | dondelelcaro: http://dpaste.com/30741/ |
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| 04:09.56 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: yeah, that's fine. So where doesn't it repeat? |
| 04:10.11 | xlotlu | dondelelcaro: nowhere :) |
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| 04:10.31 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: even in a terminal? what does xev; say when you hold down a normal key, like m? |
| 04:10.42 | xlotlu | it doesn't repeat |
| 04:10.56 | dondelelcaro | multiple questions there |
| 04:11.37 | xlotlu | it repeats nowhere, xev says nothing special, excepting making it clear it doesn't repeat |
| 04:11.47 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: what precisely does xev say? |
| 04:11.49 | xlotlu | just keypress / keyrelease |
| 04:12.21 | xlotlu | dondelelcaro: http://dpaste.com/30742/ |
| 04:13.59 | robr | I have a dual core intel cpu, when i do grep -i core /proc/cpuinfo, it looks like it has detected two cores, but when I do a 'top' it doesn't seem to list two CPU's? |
| 04:14.03 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: ok, that's fine. based on what I see, everything should be right. what type of keyboard is this? is there anything "unique" about your setup? |
| 04:14.57 | dondelelcaro | robr: top by default combines them. hit 1 or similar |
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| 04:15.21 | xlotlu | dondelelcaro: yeah.. toshiba laptop makes with crap "vista" bios makes it unique, along with me trying to setkeycodes / xmodmap the multimedia keys before this started |
| 04:15.45 | xlotlu | so it is something i did, but i can't figure out why everything looks like they should repeat, but they don't... |
| 04:15.49 | robr | dondelelcaro: thanks so much! :) |
| 04:15.50 | rubeez | i tried to run dpkg-reconfigure locales but it did not display the dialog box as usual..any idea on how i may troubleshoot this prob? thanks |
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| 04:17.31 | dondelelcaro | rubeez: do you have locales installed? what is DEBIAN_FRONTEND set to? does it work if you use dpkg-reconfigure -fdialog -plow locales; ? |
| 04:17.57 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: hrm... I'd check what the xmodmap -pk; output looks like and see if there's anythign unusual there. |
| 04:18.23 | xlotlu | now this is interesting.. all my global shortcuts using super are dead. and xmodmap says they should work |
| 04:19.03 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: have you possibly remaped what super is? check xmodmap -pm |
| 04:19.11 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: wahou! photorec found 1 video and 16 photos :) |
| 04:19.12 | xlotlu | dondelelcaro: nope, that's ok |
| 04:19.24 | rubeez | dondelelcaro: yes locales is install... |
| 04:19.29 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: cool |
| 04:19.40 | rubeez | i am not sure where to find out the DEBIAN_FRONTEND variable |
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| 04:19.40 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: good to know it works |
| 04:19.52 | dondelelcaro | rubeez: echo $DEBIAN_FRONTEND; will tell you if it's set. |
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| 04:20.04 | rubeez | it's empty |
| 04:20.10 | xlotlu | dondelelcaro: the only weird thing i did was giving my Fn key a setkeycode, wanted to use it as Meta_L / mod3.. but i didn't xmodmap it yet to anything |
| 04:20.35 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: huh... I wonder if that screwed it up |
| 04:20.38 | rubeez | i can run dpkg-reconfigure localepurge |
| 04:20.39 | Tramp | xlotlu: Shot in the dark - "kbdrate" |
| 04:20.41 | rubeez | and other things |
| 04:20.43 | LeventersoY | i can use the ping www.example.com to trying, my system cannot get resolv |
| 04:20.48 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: I think the camera that was using this, assumed it was a different version of fat than the filesystem was. |
| 04:20.57 | rubeez | ithink it has to do with locale-gen and localedef |
| 04:21.05 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: Fn keys are dark voodoo in many laptops |
| 04:21.06 | rubeez | locale-gen does nothing for me |
| 04:21.18 | Supaplex | LeventersoY: either /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/network/interfaces is setup wrong |
| 04:21.42 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: ah... yeah, those cameras tend to be really bad about that |
| 04:22.03 | LeventersoY | please are you want for me ns ip? |
| 04:22.10 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: I'm using a *much* nicer camera now. the old one is fleaBait :P |
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| 04:22.23 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: I wouldn't be surprised if some of them don't "actually" write fat |
| 04:22.24 | xlotlu | dondelelcaro: this one sends keypress events spamming my kern.log so i decided to put it to some good use |
| 04:22.38 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: heh. |
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| 04:24.59 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: too bad ebay #220188946461 isn't w/in reach of gpl. :P |
| 04:25.46 | xlotlu | ugh! |
| 04:26.09 | xlotlu | i played with kde's keyboard control, set repeat off and on, and it worked |
| 04:26.22 | xlotlu | until i did xset r again. now it won't work |
| 04:26.34 | xlotlu | something's messy in x |
| 04:27.08 | xlotlu | and i think i know when it started to happen. the first time i did xset -r on my Fn key |
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| 04:27.35 | Supaplex | !comfort xlotlu |
| 04:27.35 | dpkg | There, there, xlotlu. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:27.47 | Supaplex | :) |
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| 04:28.17 | xlotlu | comfort the guy that's gonna read my bug report once i get to the bottom of this :) |
| 04:28.45 | Supaplex | heh |
| 04:28.55 | dondelelcaro | !comfort gravity |
| 04:28.55 | dpkg | There, there, gravity. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:29.08 | LeventersoY | my network configuraiton files is this : http://www.pastebin.ca/851715 and the hosts files is here http://www.pastebin.ca/851716 . my problem has a i cant ping a another server. i have pinged a localhost only |
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| 04:29.45 | Supaplex | ahh great. this chair is starting to fall apart. :-/ |
| 04:29.45 | LeventersoY | i failed this network problem... |
| 04:29.49 | LeventersoY | please help me :} |
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| 04:32.56 | LeventersoY | i ok i found the problem |
| 04:34.00 | Populace | In Debian Etch (kernel 2.6.18-5-686) what is the directory that contains the C header files (that match my runnin kernel of course)? |
| 04:35.11 | Supaplex | Populace: should be linux-kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 04:35.29 | Populace | hrm k |
| 04:36.09 | Supaplex | humm no go here. aptitude show linux-headers will show you what it'll use. |
| 04:36.10 | daya | hi channel, |
| 04:36.16 | jetscreamer | no |
| 04:36.27 | jetscreamer | linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 04:36.39 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 04:36.48 | daya | I got the error speaker-test: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' faile d. |
| 04:36.49 | daya | Aborted |
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| 04:37.07 | daya | how to solve this issue of sound |
| 04:37.08 | Populace | sweet thx |
| 04:37.10 | jetscreamer | it's /usr/src/linux-headers-whatever-686 |
| 04:38.12 | jetscreamer | it's /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) rather |
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| 04:41.15 | chronic1 | what package do i need to install inorder to have the man pages for standard c functions (printf, strln, etc.) |
| 04:41.47 | jetscreamer | manpages-dev |
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| 04:41.54 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 04:42.48 | chronic1 | would manpages dev...be header files needed to program with man? |
| 04:43.01 | jetscreamer | !info manpages-dev |
| 04:43.06 | dpkg | manpages-dev: (Manual pages about using GNU/Linux for development), section doc, is optional. Version: 2.67-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1262 kB, Installed size: 2980 kB |
| 04:43.26 | jetscreamer | i 'think' it's what you asked for |
| 04:43.34 | chronic1 | hmm, shows that i already have it installed :/ |
| 04:43.49 | jetscreamer | i could be wrong i'm no programmer |
| 04:44.34 | chronic1 | jetscreamer: nevermind...checking it now...ssh windows are a bitch...easy to be on the wrong system |
| 04:44.51 | chronic1 | jetscreamer: you are right |
| 04:45.19 | jetscreamer | k |
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| 04:48.32 | wireddd | so, debian and kde4, where exactly am I supposed to look to see what kind of progress it is making towards getting added to debian |
| 04:48.45 | wireddd | sid more specifically |
| 04:48.51 | moshii | wireddd: it's in experimental |
| 04:48.57 | moshii | wireddd: read the devel announce |
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| 04:49.13 | moshii | wireddd: it's not worth installing because it doesn't function |
| 04:49.31 | wireddd | heh, I guess that would be why it isn't in sid yet |
| 04:49.54 | moshii | wireddd: read the devel announce mail about it and all will become klear |
| 04:52.54 | danf_1979 | wireddd: kde4 does work! I'm writing from it. :P |
| 04:53.12 | elmo10 | is there a 'mouse calibration' app? my middle button does not work, but the scroll wheel does. Wireless mouse. |
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| 04:53.21 | simonrvn | sure it works. like ass |
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| 04:53.49 | moshii | danf_1979: yeah... |
| 04:54.08 | Rusty1 | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html << wireddd FWIW |
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| 04:54.18 | Zaerath | I've never upgraded from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel, is there a way to do it without screwing over my entire system? |
| 04:54.31 | danf_1979 | at least 4.0.0 is ok to me. I don't expect the same functionality as 3.5.8 ofcourse. It has rough egdes? yes! KDE4.0.0 is for early adopters |
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| 04:54.36 | Kevin` | Zaerath it probably won't mess anything up |
| 04:54.53 | moshii | danf_1979: or people that think they need it to make up for their tiny penis? |
| 04:55.20 | danf_1979 | whatever moshii |
| 04:55.25 | Supaplex | moshii: speaking from experience? |
| 04:55.42 | elmo10 | Supaplex: :P |
| 04:55.47 | moshii | Supaplex: No, I've already come to accept my tiny penis. haha |
| 04:55.51 | simonrvn | t needs testing, and they did one huge mistake from my POV: they focussed on eye candy and not usability |
| 04:56.06 | elmo10 | simonrvn: i agree |
| 04:56.08 | Supaplex | Zaerath: review the release notes. it's not all that tricky. |
| 04:56.43 | jetscreamer | dammit how do you know i have a tiny penis? have you been spying on me??‫ |
| 04:56.44 | moshii | Zaerath: install the new kernel, keep the old one around in case you can't get the new one to boot |
| 04:56.59 | simonrvn | it's nice and dandy they had the idea of making a new "desktop paradigm", but they've left the usage factor out |
| 04:57.24 | Zaerath | moshii: Thanks! |
| 04:57.31 | simonrvn | </2 cents> |
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| 04:58.01 | Rusty1 | reminds me of , er um lemme see , ah! VISTA |
| 04:58.07 | moshii | danf_1979: Tiny penis is ofcourse a reference to people that feel the need to buy fast cars |
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| 04:58.14 | Supaplex | Rusty1: vuhhh what? |
| 04:58.24 | elmo10 | so, no way to find out why the middle mouse button is not 'registering' ? Maybe it calls a different 'click' value? |
| 04:58.27 | moshii | danf_1979: ofcourse, if kde4 was a car, at this point the wheels are very much missing |
| 04:58.38 | simonrvn | Supaplex: not the first hastalavista reference i've seen WRT kde4 |
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| 04:59.25 | simonrvn | elmo10: 3 button mouse? |
| 04:59.28 | moshii | simonrvn: at the moment it looks a bit like they took all the stuff purged from vista and osx codebases and linked it agaist qt |
| 04:59.47 | simonrvn | and is it mousewheel+middle button or just middle button? |
| 05:00.11 | simonrvn | moshii: not really. they borrows ideas from them |
| 05:00.40 | moshii | simonrvn: shame they didn't borrow many from 3.5 :/ |
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| 05:01.54 | moshii | they've added nice features to some apps while at the same time totally destroying the interfaces to the point that it's unusable |
| 05:02.56 | simonrvn | from what i understand from their various notes, they wanted to re-do a lot of what was wrong with 3.x, and start some stuff from scratch. good idea, but they need to refine it. it'll probably be a bit better by the time 4.1 or 4.2 rolls along. the thing that bothers me with it the most is that it's way too focussed on eyecandy. if you have an older machine, forget about installing it. |
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| 05:03.24 | moshii | simonrvn: qt4 is meant to be 20% faster from the get go though |
| 05:03.30 | simonrvn | i'm in obox3 also. i keep coming back to it... i also run some gnome stuff, but bits and pieces |
| 05:03.45 | simonrvn | moshii: only if you have fast h/w |
| 05:04.17 | simonrvn | moshii: qt3 and qt4 are like gtk1 and gtk2 |
| 05:05.02 | moshii | simonrvn: are qt3 applications any faster on qt4+qt3 emulation? |
| 05:05.22 | simonrvn | i dunno, i don't bother with benchmarks |
| 05:06.01 | danf_1979 | kde4 is faster than kde3 though, that's what I think till now. |
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| 05:06.12 | simonrvn | someone else can run those if they want ;) |
| 05:06.18 | moshii | danf_1979: probably because it's doing a lot less ;) |
| 05:06.53 | simonrvn | even if it is, i couldn't tell anyway because my video is so slow |
| 05:07.17 | simonrvn | (certainly slower than obox ;) |
| 05:07.45 | danf_1979 | Yes, could be that, but also you can feel it when opening programs. Loading is faster. simonrvn I have a voodoo3 here and it works fine... |
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| 05:08.03 | gigo | how can I install ALGOL? |
| 05:08.25 | simonrvn | oh it works. here it's a tnt2 |
| 05:08.27 | moshii | danf_1979: have you done benchmarks? |
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| 05:08.45 | simonrvn | yeh, agp |
| 05:09.44 | danf_1979 | Nope, I don't do benchmarks :P |
| 05:09.46 | [Sp] | Hi, Anyone out there using a Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo Laptop 6820L with Linux? |
| 05:10.23 | simonrvn | ask the real question |
| 05:10.52 | \amethyst | gigo: are you serious? |
| 05:11.32 | gigo | \amethyst: yes. why? is it not possible? |
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| 05:11.53 | moshii | [Sp]: If you have piece of hardware that doesn't work or something just say what it is and what isn't happening |
| 05:11.55 | gigo | I think ALGOL 68 is the last version of ALGOL. isn't it? |
| 05:12.02 | gigo | but I can't find it in aptitude list |
| 05:12.34 | \amethyst | gigo: ALGOL 68 and ALGOL 60 were entirely different languages |
| 05:12.39 | Rusty1 | theres a deb here http://www.nunan.fsnet.co.uk/algol68/algol68toc_1.10_i386.deb |
| 05:12.42 | \amethyst | I wouldn't call ALGOL 68 a later version |
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| 05:13.32 | [Sp] | moshii: the Installer dvd is not loading the install gui.. |
| 05:14.14 | moshii | [Sp]: the text interface or the framebuffer based one?.. if one doesnt work try the other |
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| 05:14.44 | \amethyst | gigo: I don't think there's anything in Debian, but I'm sure there are compilers that you can build in Debian |
| 05:14.49 | [Sp] | moshii: doesn't seem to work either |
| 05:14.51 | gokee2_ | Hello all, I have a Brother MFC 8440 and I went to the brother site and got the deb package for it however it failed to install right. Now I have the problem of "E: The package mfc8440lpr needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it." I tried "dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq mfc8440lpr" but that did not help. How do I reinstall something? Thanks |
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| 05:15.29 | moshii | [Sp]: you get the debian logo part at least? |
| 05:16.17 | [Sp] | moshii: yes though, I'm using Ubuntu, some user on the net says he managed to install Debian.. |
| 05:17.09 | moshii | [Sp]: you're trying to install debian though? |
| 05:17.26 | moshii | otherwise we have an ett-oor wrong answer situation |
| 05:17.26 | [Sp] | moshii: yes |
| 05:17.26 | jetscreamer | ‎goodbye-windows.com for all your installing needs |
| 05:17.39 | \amethyst | gigo: the retrocomputing museum (google it) has an algol 60 interpreter and a link to a page with algol 68 resources, including: http://www.nunan.fsnet.co.uk/algol68/algol68toc_1.10_i386.deb |
| 05:18.08 | gigo | museum? |
| 05:18.11 | \amethyst | gigo: there's source for a slightly older version of the port |
| 05:18.14 | moshii | [Sp]: are you using the etch installer or one of the debian-installer snapshots? |
| 05:18.14 | jetscreamer | cobol is your god |
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| 05:18.30 | gigo | cobol is very old. isn't it? |
| 05:18.41 | jetscreamer | the lords of cobol... i get it now |
| 05:18.46 | tazle | gigo: not as old as nuclear weapons |
| 05:18.55 | jetscreamer | well it was around 30 years ago |
| 05:19.08 | gigo | in our company people still use COBOL for mainframes |
| 05:19.16 | simonrvn | gokee2_: ask in one channel at a time please. thanks |
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| 05:20.11 | \amethyst | dpkg, museum is the Retrocomputing Museum at http://www.catb.org/retro/ , a good source for old programming languages, emulators for ancient machines, and so on. |
| 05:20.11 | dpkg | okay, \amethyst |
| 05:20.41 | \amethyst | gigo: http://tiny-cobol.sourceforge.net/index.php |
| 05:20.46 | gigo | dpkg, gigo is garbage in, garbage out |
| 05:20.46 | dpkg | ...but gigo is already something else... |
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| 05:21.27 | [Sp] | moshiiL browser problems.. |
| 05:22.15 | moshii | [Sp]: are you using the etch installer or one of the debian-installer snapshots? |
| 05:22.40 | [Sp] | moshii: etch installer |
| 05:23.32 | moshii | [Sp]: Try a snapshot from the debian installer page.. chances are you might need testing to make all your hardware work anyhow |
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| 05:23.59 | [Sp] | moshii: I'm using Sarge btw |
| 05:24.47 | moshii | [Sp]: sorry, is this a relatively new machine you're installing or an older one? |
| 05:25.12 | moshii | [Sp]: If sarge works, maybe it's a 2.6 series kernel problemo |
| 05:25.28 | [Sp] | moshii: older machine, |
| 05:25.45 | moshii | [Sp]: ah, ok.. sarge works? |
| 05:26.03 | [Sp] | moshii: I'm going to try a newer Debian ISO |
| 05:26.28 | moshii | [Sp]: you might find you have funky acpi that breaks 2.6 |
| 05:27.27 | [Sp] | moshii: how do I get around that? |
| 05:28.22 | moshii | [Sp]: where exaclty does it die? do you see the kernel messages? |
| 05:29.20 | [Sp] | moshii: it doesn't die, it just doesn't show the gui |
| 05:29.37 | [Sp] | moshii: it shows textand nothing else.. |
| 05:30.37 | muh2000_ | make-kpkg: how can i fix issues with append_to_version versioning ? "The changelog says we are creating 2.6.23.13amd64-muh10" "However, I thought the version is 2.6.23.13amd64-muh11" "exit 4" "make: *** [sanity_check] Fehler 4" |
| 05:30.39 | gokee2_ | simonrvn, Sorry I was not getting a response here so I decided to try another place |
| 05:31.41 | moshii | [Sp]: does it crash or just not load the installer? |
| 05:32.19 | [Sp] | moshii: it loads fine, no crash |
| 05:32.48 | moshii | [Sp]: ok, so the text installer comes up and you want the graphical one? |
| 05:33.11 | [Sp] | moshii: yes please |
| 05:33.49 | moshii | [Sp]: when the debian logo comes up at boot it'll tell you to press one of the f keys to get help.. and there it'll tell you how to start the graphical installer |
| 05:34.03 | moshii | [Sp]: the text one is still default as far as I can remember |
| 05:34.32 | [Sp] | moshii: I'll try that next time, thanks :) |
| 05:36.14 | moshii | it's lucky the graphical installer is there.. as the text one doesn't work on some boxes :/ |
| 05:36.54 | [Sp] | moshii: most Linuxes don't work on my laptop |
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| 05:37.54 | moshii | [Sp]: just don't boot outright or puke on something? |
| 05:38.06 | yigal | I am pretty drunk |
| 05:38.12 | muh2000_ | make clean isnt cleaning right. |
| 05:38.37 | yigal | muh2000_: that isn't good |
| 05:38.51 | [Sp] | moshii: It's a win laptop |
| 05:38.51 | muh2000_ | yigal: or i dont understand make clean right. |
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| 05:39.13 | [Sp] | moshii: managed to install DesktopBSD fine |
| 05:39.29 | yigal | muh2000_: I'm sorry I am coming in late to the question what are you making clean on? |
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| 05:39.46 | muh2000_ | yigal: kernel sources... |
| 05:39.56 | [Sp] | moshii: only that I don't get a fullscreen, it loads on 50-60% of the screen |
| 05:40.11 | moshii | [Sp]: if it's really old hardware you might have apm/acpi issues that 2.6 kernels can't handle without being told |
| 05:40.31 | moshii | [Sp]: that could be your framebuffer settings/a broken video bios |
| 05:40.41 | yigal | muh2000_: what is it doing to you |
| 05:40.48 | muh2000_ | i am building kernel with make-kpkg and append to version, where the append is my name for the kernel. but i have to delete and unpack the sources everytime i build a new kernel of the same kernel version... :/ |
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| 05:41.17 | [Sp] | moshii: it's not that old, it's a 2003/4 machine |
| 05:41.31 | moshii | [Sp]: p4? |
| 05:41.53 | yigal | muh2000_: and did you give a good old "make-kpkg clean" ? |
| 05:42.06 | yigal | moshii: what xmonad do you use? |
| 05:42.09 | [Sp] | moshii: Celeron 2 Ghz |
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| 05:43.15 | [Sp] | moshii: actually 2.4 Ghz |
| 05:43.24 | muh2000_ | yigal: hmm no ^^ i didnt knew that this command existed, thnx, it seems to work now :) |
| 05:43.24 | moshii | [Sp]: hmm that'd be a p4 celeron then i think. last machine I saw that had problems running a 2.6 kernel was a p3... you say sarge works? |
| 05:43.40 | Zaerath | Oooh added my Etch sources then running the dreaded command: aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade |
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| 05:43.56 | yigal | muh2000_: good, yah you should check out the tools debian has to compile a kernel, perhaps |
| 05:44.00 | yigal | ? |
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| 05:44.32 | moshii | yigal: I think he said he's using make-kpkg |
| 05:44.35 | [Sp] | moshii: not that I tried, I'm not too familiar with DEbian alltogether, I use CentOS more |
| 05:45.02 | yigal | oh, ok friday is when I get really drunk so sorry if I sound offensive :) |
| 05:45.11 | moshii | [Sp]: recentish centos works? |
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| 05:45.33 | muh2000_ | moshii: yigal yes using make-kpkg but i didnt knew make-kpkg clean ^^ i thought make clean was ok |
| 05:45.51 | [Sp] | moshii: not tried it on this laptop... |
| 05:45.55 | vod | hey I'm trying to install kde4 from experimental ala http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html |
| 05:46.06 | vod | but it just says package kde4 not found |
| 05:46.19 | muh2000_ | also: there is somehow a way to compile a kernel faster after a little .conf change with already built stuff from previous versions. how can i do that? |
| 05:46.20 | yigal | muh2000_: there is basically a debian command for all kernel building that will really make it easy |
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| 05:47.18 | vod | anyone have any luck installing kde4 from experimental? |
| 05:47.54 | moshii | yigal: make-kpkg is that tool I think.. |
| 05:48.08 | [Sp] | moshii: bye tnx |
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| 05:48.18 | yigal | moshii: I hope it is :) |
| 05:48.48 | moshii | vod: It's very rough, if you want to play with it boot the livecd in qemu or something |
| 05:49.03 | vod | blehthatsux |
| 05:49.13 | vod | ok i'll wait for the real packages |
| 05:49.31 | vod | i didn't want to play with it i wanted to switch desktops to it |
| 05:49.32 | vod | :) |
| 05:49.54 | moshii | muh2000_: you should be able to rebuild a kernel without purging all the object files you're already built. but make-kpkg cleans the clean tree to stop bad things(tm) happening |
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| 05:51.13 | lobak | i was wondering,why i cannot find for opera browser in synaptic package manager?can someone tell me? |
| 05:51.17 | moshii | vod: it's not that packages, more the fac that kde4.0 is pinned as a development platform oppossed to a usable desktop |
| 05:51.49 | muh2000_ | moshii: when i do "make-kpkg --append_to_version foobla01" on a deflowered kernelsource it stops complaining about the difference of "foobar01" |
| 05:52.07 | vod | moshii: but it got released |
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| 05:52.29 | vod | moshii: didn't it go through alpha, beta, RC, final? |
| 05:52.37 | muh2000_ | kde4 is not really finished. i would wait a bt |
| 05:52.43 | moshii | vod: read what the devs from kde have written |
| 05:53.15 | vod | moshii: got a link? i haven't seen it on the sites I frequent or on dot.kde or kde.org etc |
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| 05:54.23 | muh2000_ | my question would be how can i take advantage of already built stuff when i build a new kernel with the same kernel version but different "--append_to_version foo" using the make-kpkg tool ? |
| 05:54.25 | simonrvn | see their dev wiki |
| 05:54.54 | simonrvn | vod: ^^^ |
| 05:54.56 | vod | moshii: man i'm dying to see it i might burn a cd i guess |
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| 05:55.11 | muh2000_ | because compiling a kernel on a amd 3000+ is like a vacuum cleaner... takes around 16 minutes... :( |
| 05:55.20 | moshii | muh2000_: you don't really want to. I don't think the stuff to control what gets rebuilt is all that clever hence make-kpkg cleans the tree |
| 05:55.21 | vod | simonrvn: ok i'll google it |
| 05:55.38 | moshii | vod: qemu + livecd, don't even need to rebot |
| 05:55.42 | moshii | reboot |
| 05:56.15 | moshii | vod: you can use bits of kde4 in 3.5 though.. like I'm using konsole from 4.0 now, dumps on exit though :/ |
| 05:56.33 | moshii | muh2000_: s/is all/isn't all |
| 05:56.59 | vod | moshii: I mean i run enlightenment dr17, it cant be that bad |
| 05:57.55 | moshii | vod: Well, I don't think the experimental packages are 100% 4.0 at the moment either, there seems to be some issue with the phonon library being the wrong version. |
| 05:58.23 | muh2000_ | moshii: hmmm so when i want to do that i should use oldschool "make && make modules_install && make install" ? :/ |
| 05:59.13 | vod | moshii: well if debian is lagging I might just grab the source and compile it myself into /opt |
| 05:59.27 | moshii | muh2000_: as I said, make rebuild stuff if the source timestamp is new than the object file.. |
| 06:00.15 | moshii | muh2000_: so you could end up with a busted build if you're not careful.... so you should clean the tree before building, make-kpkg does that by default because it's a sensible thing to do |
| 06:00.56 | moshii | vod: yup, if you're not running kde as your main desktop you should be fine. you can easilly back out |
| 06:01.09 | blubberdiblub | muh2000_: and you don't want .ko modules with the wrong vermagic (which includes the version appendix) which would happen when not rebuilding them, do you? |
| 06:01.26 | vod | moshii: it's going to trash my config files though :> |
| 06:01.41 | muh2000_ | moshii: hmm on another machine it(oldschool way) works without a problem. well i hadnt have problems yet ^^ maybe i am just lucky? |
| 06:02.11 | muh2000_ | blubberdiblub: hmmm i see hmmm² |
| 06:02.13 | moshii | muh2000_: take a look at the vermagic comment from blubberdiblub |
| 06:03.00 | moshii | blubberdiblub: basically, the kernel is massive and a bit more complex than a couple c files and a makefile.. so rinse and rebuild each time |
| 06:03.04 | muh2000_ | oldschool way does not have an different appendix :) |
| 06:03.53 | blubberdiblub | moshii: well, i do that, yes. just to be on the safe side. my boxes used to take 1 hour or so some time ago building the kernel ... it's gotten better since i got better hardware *g* |
| 06:04.11 | moshii | blubberdiblub: ah, that wasn't for you. that was for muh2000_ ;) |
| 06:04.21 | muh2000_ | ok ^^ |
| 06:04.30 | moshii | blubberdiblub: distcc is the way to go if you want to build lots of kernels |
| 06:05.07 | moshii | I never managed to get a debian box to crossbuild netbsd/sparc with distcc though :( |
| 06:05.35 | blubberdiblub | moshii: well, i don't do it _that_ often (usually abouut 3 a month), but distributing it wouldn't really help, as i build 2 different ones at the same time on my 2 boxen |
| 06:05.37 | danf_1979 | guys, from which file does "apt-cache show package" takes its data? |
| 06:05.50 | muh2000_ | intel quadcore takes around 2 minutes, 2*2core up to date amd system 1:30, 3000+ like 15 minutes... :/ |
| 06:06.42 | moshii | muh2000_: and installing the debian linux-image binary takes no time at all on my 100mbit connection :) |
| 06:07.22 | muh2000_ | moshii: but is old as the pacemaker of my granny :D |
| 06:07.46 | moshii | danf_1979: /var/lib/apt/... |
| 06:07.48 | blubberdiblub | muh2000_: give it to me ;) |
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| 06:08.07 | danf_1979 | moshii: ok, but those files are binaries, anyway to read them? |
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| 06:08.59 | danf_1979 | oh, not my mistake |
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| 06:09.17 | muh2000_ | i wonder anyway why the kernel-image* was renamed to linux-image* ... like i dont have already enough linux* named files/folders/packages in /usr/src :( |
| 06:09.26 | danf_1979 | I thought you were talking about /var/cache/apt. Ok, I'll take a look |
| 06:09.34 | moshii | danf_1979: look like text to me |
| 06:09.53 | moshii | muh2000_: because there are ports to different kernels |
| 06:09.57 | simonrvn | i only see one binary file in there, for apt-listchanges |
| 06:10.33 | moshii | danf_1979: /var/lib/apt/lists .. |
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| 06:11.10 | muh2000_ | moshii: hmm ok it is a reason ^^ but kernel-linux-image-* would be great.... but under the line it is only cosmetics... |
| 06:11.12 | danf_1979 | thanks moshii, that will do |
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| 06:12.00 | muh2000_ | brb |
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| 06:26.04 | xlotlu | is it normal for Meta to be mapped for Shift+Alt? |
| 06:26.59 | pipeline | xlotlu: no, that's a little odd. It's usually either the windows key, alt, or esc |
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| 06:27.55 | xlotlu | xmodmap -pke | grep Alt --> keycode 64 = Alt_L Meta_L keycode 113 = Alt_R Meta_R |
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| 06:28.33 | xlotlu | pipeline: win key is just another modifier, normaly Super |
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| 06:29.54 | pipeline | xlotlu: It can be bound to anything. It's often meta. |
| 06:30.26 | SeveredCross | Question: how unstable is unstable? |
| 06:30.41 | xlotlu | pipeline: i thought it was normally super.. or hyper... or meta.. |
| 06:31.18 | xlotlu | but i don't know what to make of that meta on top of alt |
| 06:31.28 | Xenguy | SeveredCross: I used to run sid all the time, but lately I've gotten lazy and prefer stable/etch :-) |
| 06:31.43 | pipeline | SeveredCross: If you have to ask, you shouldn't be mucking about with it. |
| 06:31.49 | xlotlu | :) |
| 06:31.50 | SeveredCross | Well, I'm thinking about making the move from Ubuntu to Debian. |
| 06:31.53 | Xenguy | SeveredCross: I also get the impression that unstable has become *more* unstable ;-) |
| 06:32.19 | muh2000_ | i wonder why server preemtion model is not good for network transfer compared to low latency desktop... |
| 06:32.21 | SeveredCross | I know my way around a Debian system, but I'm wondering what the difference would be between Ubuntu 7.10 and Debian's unstable. |
| 06:32.30 | \amethyst | Xenguy: that means it's both Alt and Meta |
| 06:32.32 | \amethyst | doh |
| 06:32.35 | moshii | I had a machine with 300+ days uptime running unstable |
| 06:32.45 | \amethyst | xlotlu: that means it's both Alt and Meta |
| 06:33.06 | xlotlu | \amethyst: it means it's meta together with the shift modifier... so my question was: is that a normal setup? |
| 06:33.15 | Xenguy | SeveredCross: I think it is riskier, but it depends on why yer running the boxen too |
| 06:33.39 | SeveredCross | Why am I running it? It's my own laptop. |
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| 06:34.33 | SeveredCross | Hmm. Looks like I wouldn't be too much of a difference in versions using sid and using Ubuntu Hardy. |
| 06:34.37 | Xenguy | SeveredCross: I've re-converted to Debian, so I'm biased. My advice is d/l stable, install, and then 'upgrade' to unstable only when you really need to :-) |
| 06:34.39 | Rydekull | Xenguy: that makes me wonder, 'riskier' in what way? |
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| 06:35.10 | SeveredCross | Now if I only had a wired connection that I could netinstall through. |
| 06:35.15 | Xenguy | Rydekull: running either sid or ubu is more risky (less stable) then running debian etch/stable |
| 06:35.18 | Rydekull | Xenguy: its of course not safer then the administrator administrating it |
| 06:35.26 | Xenguy | s/then/than |
| 06:35.32 | moshii | Xenguy: stable as in crashing? |
| 06:35.38 | Xenguy | Rydekull: yes, but a different issue IMHO |
| 06:35.41 | Rydekull | Xenguy: Your talking about risk as in actually being unstable? |
| 06:35.47 | \amethyst | xlotlu: that's what I have here, but looking at xev the difference only appears in the keysyms for press and release |
| 06:35.52 | Xenguy | moshii: yes, I think so |
| 06:36.00 | Rydekull | Xenguy: You need to be more clear what risks you talk about, even if I dont agree that much with that either |
| 06:36.19 | Rydekull | Xenguy: I've had my "stable" ubuntu desktop environments crash alot more on me then my debian unstable ones |
| 06:36.25 | Xenguy | Rydekull: depends on my mood at the time :-) But OK, duly noted |
| 06:36.35 | moshii | Xenguy: that's not really the meaning of debian's unstable branch then |
| 06:36.50 | Xenguy | Rydekull: I would now run neither -- as I say, I prefer stable/etch |
| 06:37.07 | \amethyst | xlotlu: since I have mod1 Alt_L (0x40), Alt_R (0x71), Meta_L (0x9c) they both use the 0x8 state bit |
| 06:37.10 | Xenguy | moshii: mmm? |
| 06:37.11 | xlotlu | \amethyst: i get both different keysyms and Meta_L instead of Alt_L |
| 06:37.24 | moshii | stable = no package changes except security updates.. not that they assure that the kernel is 100% crash proof |
| 06:37.29 | \amethyst | xlotlu: what about the states? |
| 06:37.43 | xlotlu | \amethyst: what states? |
| 06:38.20 | SeveredCross | Quick question: which CD's are actually needed to install a basic, working, GNOME system |
| 06:38.37 | moshii | SeveredCross: gnome will be on the first cd |
| 06:38.41 | Xenguy | SeveredCross: just the 1st |
| 06:38.48 | \amethyst | xlotlu: among the output in xev when you press alt-shift-A should be something like state 0x9, keycode 38 (keysym 0x41, A), same_screen YES, |
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| 06:38.56 | SeveredCross | Well heck, maybe I don't need that wired connection after all. |
| 06:39.04 | SeveredCross | ^__^ |
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| 06:39.34 | \amethyst | xlotlu: I get state 0x1 for shift, 0x8 for alt, 0x9 for shift-meta... so alt and meta are both 0x8 |
| 06:39.40 | xlotlu | \amethyst: mine are 0x8 simple, and 0x9 with shift |
| 06:40.38 | \amethyst | xlotlu: as I understand it, this means programs looking for Alt-key or for Meta-key will both work |
| 06:41.02 | \amethyst | xlotlu: likewise alt-shift-key and meta-shift-key |
| 06:41.04 | xlotlu | \amethyst: uhm, then i probably shouldn't change it |
| 06:42.08 | xlotlu | guess i'll use my new modifier as ISO_Level3_Shift |
| 06:46.00 | cizzi | \amethyst - built a new system today... etch wouldnt install lenny either, but fc8 worked perfectly |
| 06:46.16 | cizzi | \amethyst hardware too new? |
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| 06:51.14 | moshii | cizzi: why wouldn't it install? |
| 06:51.47 | cizzi | moshii - would hang on kernel loading |
| 06:51.53 | cizzi | different stages in lenny and etch |
| 06:51.58 | cizzi | pretty early though |
| 06:52.18 | moshii | strange :/ newer kernel in fc8? |
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| 06:52.26 | cizzi | let me check |
| 06:52.31 | dserban | Question: in X, how does one change the default font size? Other than the -dpi switch? |
| 06:52.33 | cizzi | 2.6.23.9-85.fc8 |
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| 06:55.00 | moshii | cizzi: d-i images are probably not using 2.6.23 yet |
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| 06:55.26 | kab | hello, has anyone succesfully installed debian remotely? |
| 06:55.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | no. no one ever |
| 06:55.46 | cizzi | d-i i thought lenny was .23 |
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| 06:56.14 | kab | im looking for someone to possibly answer some questions in reguards to installing debian remotely using debootstrap |
| 06:56.50 | moshii | cizzi: not sure, .23 didn't come in that long ago |
| 06:56.53 | s | can some one tell about how to communicate smbd_vscan_clamd to clamav antivirus |
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| 06:57.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | kab, whats your *actual* question |
| 06:57.29 | moshii | kab: It's easy if you know how to use debootstrap and then configure a bootloader... |
| 06:57.39 | s | smbd_vscan-clamav[6418]: ERROR: can not connect to clamd (socket: '/var/run/calmav/clamd.ctl')! |
| 06:57.46 | kab | moshii to be honest ive never done anything like it. |
| 06:57.57 | s | smbd_vscan-clamav[6418]: ERROR: can not communicate to daemon - access denied |
| 06:58.01 | moshii | kab: do it inside a vm first then |
| 06:58.05 | kab | Kamping_Kaiser i just need some help walking through this. |
| 06:58.30 | kab | moshii ive thought about that, but im worried about system specific stuff that might be difference. |
| 06:58.33 | kab | different. |
| 06:59.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | eg? |
| 06:59.19 | s | help! help! smbd_vscan-clamav[6418]: ERROR: can not communicate to daemon - access denied |
| 06:59.23 | moshii | kab: what sort of box are you installing on? |
| 06:59.37 | moshii | s: stop repeating. |
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| 06:59.54 | kab | well, actually im attempting to deploy a server (emergency sort of) so i purchased a server at theplanet unfortunately debian is not an option and centos was |
| 07:00.17 | kab | but ive been using debian for a very long time and cent os is just painful so i want to attempt to switch the os remotely since they wont do it for me. |
| 07:00.43 | s | can some one tell about how to communicate smbd_vscan_clamd to clamav antivirus |
| 07:00.48 | moshii | kab: ok.. do they have some sort of rescue environment you can exploit? or does it have to be done inside centos? |
| 07:01.01 | kab | unfortunately it has to be done inside centos. |
| 07:01.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | s ask #clamav |
| 07:01.17 | moshii | kab: mm which means if you break it you're toast |
| 07:01.28 | s | ok |
| 07:01.42 | kab | exactly. |
| 07:02.00 | moshii | kab: if the centos install is using grub you can use grub's save default magic to do it safely |
| 07:02.31 | kab | any idea on how to check if its using grub or lilo? |
| 07:02.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | ls /boot/ |
| 07:02.56 | kab | yeah its grub. |
| 07:03.05 | moshii | kab: the idea is this .. install debian + kernel somewhere, add a grub line to boot it, and use the save default thing to give it one chance to boot, if it doesn't work it'll boot the default kernel next time around |
| 07:03.24 | kab | yeah theoretically that works. |
| 07:03.47 | kab | moshii have you personally attempted this? |
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| 07:04.46 | moshii | kab: not exactly, the provider I have has a rescue system you can make the machine fall into so I've never had have a fall back |
| 07:05.38 | moshii | kab: I've done a conversion to software raid1 remotely though using that sort of scheme |
| 07:05.46 | kab | moshii is there any way i could talk you into perhaps attempting it if i offer you a permanent shell on that box? |
| 07:07.43 | moshii | kab: mmm actually I don't think it'd be to hard.. but it's for you to do ;~ |
| 07:07.50 | kab | the only part i actually need help with is the grub part of it. |
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| 07:08.22 | s | please help me |
| 07:08.41 | s | how to communicate samba_vscan and clamav |
| 07:08.43 | kab | do you think maybe you could loan me a hand with that? |
| 07:08.54 | moshii | kab: http://togami.com/~warren/guides/remoteraidcrazies/ this has some info on using grub's safe default function |
| 07:09.21 | kab | ah |
| 07:09.25 | kab | alrighty |
| 07:09.49 | moshii | kab: it's about online raid1 conversion, but the save default bit is what you want |
| 07:09.56 | kab | yeah |
| 07:10.11 | moshii | kab: do you have a spare disk to put debian in? |
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| 07:10.28 | kab | on the box? |
| 07:10.28 | kab | nope |
| 07:10.30 | obnauticus | k, i have this POS laptop that has shit processing power, what do you guys suggest i do to make it look the best |
| 07:10.34 | kab | i have to use the swap partition. |
| 07:10.40 | obnauticus | it does not support beryl, i got gnome on it and im looking for themes :\ |
| 07:11.08 | moshii | kab: yup, that works :) |
| 07:11.18 | kab | alrightw well.. |
| 07:11.21 | kab | i guess here i go. |
| 07:11.31 | kab | mind if i pick your brain occassionally to make sure everything im doing is ok? |
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| 07:12.24 | moshii | kab: yeah, for starters get debian onto the swap and try to configure it as much as possible |
| 07:12.39 | kab | yeah |
| 07:12.42 | kab | i can handle that. |
| 07:12.53 | kab | i hate centos. its worth a shot |
| 07:13.06 | kab | i havent touched rpms in .. 5 years at least |
| 07:13.47 | moshii | kab: you host can do reboots if it doesn't work first time? |
| 07:14.42 | kab | yeah i have an interface for that |
| 07:15.25 | s | how to communicate samba_vscan and clamav |
| 07:15.49 | s | please tell |
| 07:16.55 | moshii | s: stop repeating |
| 07:18.05 | s | shut up <moshii> |
| 07:18.07 | SpeedyG | Hi, if I want to make some definite software library using .deb files, would I also need the depending packages for that software? |
| 07:18.20 | s | i will keep on begging help |
| 07:18.26 | s | please tell |
| 07:18.30 | s | please tell |
| 07:18.30 | kab | oh man this is scary |
| 07:18.30 | kab | lol |
| 07:18.31 | s | please tell |
| 07:18.31 | hoxu | !ops s spamming |
| 07:18.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: s spamming |
| 07:18.42 | s | lul |
| 07:19.33 | s | ok i am leaving "you bunch of crooks" |
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| 07:20.04 | s | this is not a helpdesk |
| 07:20.12 | SpeedyG | s: true, this is an irc channel |
| 07:20.27 | s | but personal conversational medium |
| 07:20.32 | SpeedyG | and no matter if you call a helpdesk or ask in an irc-channel, be nice.. that would help you more than spamming llike this . |
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| 07:20.56 | PingFloyd | s: a personal conversation medium, oh no! |
| 07:21.22 | moshii | kab: should be fine, if it doesn't work do a reboot and everything is back to centos |
| 07:21.23 | SpeedyG | PingFloyd: i'd rather substitute personal with public ;) |
| 07:21.36 | moshii | kab: your host should have a re-image service too |
| 07:22.13 | kab | yeah they do unfortunately they charge for that |
| 07:22.31 | kab | carap |
| 07:22.34 | kab | crap |
| 07:22.35 | hoxu | hmm, I wonder if stabbing a rusty fork in someone's face constitutes a personal communication medium |
| 07:22.37 | kab | first problem.. : Failed getting release file http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/Release |
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| 07:23.14 | moshii | kab: tell it to grab etch instead |
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| 07:23.37 | kab | E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch |
| 07:23.50 | moshii | kab: old version of debootstrap? |
| 07:23.58 | kab | mm perhaps |
| 07:24.04 | kab | let me try grabbing something newer |
| 07:26.29 | kab | any idea where i can grab a newever rpm? |
| 07:26.35 | kab | i cant find anything newer |
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| 07:27.41 | simonrvn | "personal conversational medium"? WTF? |
| 07:27.52 | moshii | grab a tar of it, not worth installing properly if you're going to trash that centos install |
| 07:28.14 | minerale | how do I set the hostname? it seems to reset when i do `sudo hostname foo` |
| 07:28.27 | moshii | minerale: /etc/hostname |
| 07:28.40 | simonrvn | *read scrollback* good way to hit the ignore pile |
| 07:29.46 | kab | alright |
| 07:29.46 | simonrvn | another way is via sysctl.conf; kernel.hostname and kernel.domainname |
| 07:30.28 | kab | moshii thanks for your help. hopefully this will turn out well. |
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| 07:32.40 | moshii | kab: should be fine, biggest stage is going to be booting debian off of the real root because you won't have centos to fall back on |
| 07:32.48 | kab | mm |
| 07:32.51 | kab | how does that work |
| 07:33.28 | moshii | kab: once you've got it running from the old swap you want to move it to the real root partition.. |
| 07:34.13 | kab | thats the scary part. |
| 07:34.52 | kab | ok |
| 07:34.55 | kab | so debootstrap done. |
| 07:35.31 | moshii | chroot into the new system and configure it |
| 07:35.52 | kab | im working on it |
| 07:35.56 | kab | im gonna copy over resolv.conf |
| 07:35.58 | kab | and stuff |
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| 07:40.29 | moshii | kab: looking at theplanets pages you have a serial cosole you can use |
| 07:40.45 | kab | i wasnt aware of that |
| 07:40.49 | moshii | it may be worth setting that up and making sure it works |
| 07:41.11 | moshii | you'll be able to fix grub remotely if it breaks |
| 07:41.31 | kab | ah |
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| 07:42.35 | roshan | Hi All, is there any equivalent of 'piky' basket of windows for linux? |
| 07:42.59 | kab | unfortunately my server doesnt come with serial access. |
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| 07:43.56 | moshii | kab: eek, how are you meant to fix it if it dies ;) |
| 07:44.08 | kab | mm |
| 07:44.18 | kab | thats hopefully something we wont have to figure out |
| 07:45.46 | kab | epsilon:/# /usr/sbin/base-config |
| 07:45.46 | kab | bash: /usr/sbin/base-config: No such file or directory |
| 07:45.46 | kab | epsilon:/# |
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| 07:45.49 | kab | oh man.. |
| 07:46.41 | moshii | kab: that's not a problem.. I don't think base-config is still around/installed in etch |
| 07:46.49 | simonrvn | base-config isn't in etch |
| 07:46.50 | kab | oh. |
| 07:46.56 | kab | alright i was about to freak out over here. |
| 07:47.06 | kab | m m what should i install. |
| 07:47.12 | kab | im just trying to make sure im not missing anything |
| 07:47.26 | simonrvn | roshan: names are useless .... what does it do? |
| 07:47.49 | moshii | kab: you'll need a kernel, ssh, etc |
| 07:48.20 | kab | moshii what sources should i add for etch |
| 07:48.47 | roshan | simonrvn, it implements copyin of multiple files from different locations and paste it into a single folder. Something like that in linux? |
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| 07:49.16 | moshii | kab: standard ones |
| 07:49.17 | propriet1rysucks | how can I connect to a pptp vpn ? |
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| 07:49.41 | simonrvn | roshan: rsync comes to mind. if by pasting you mean cpoying or moving, and folder, a directory |
| 07:49.55 | propriet1rysucks | that name from dota? |
| 07:50.29 | simonrvn | copying* |
| 07:51.24 | roshan | simonrvn, what is rsync?? |
| 07:51.36 | simonrvn | roshan: apt-cache show rsync |
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| 07:55.57 | kab | this is going alright so far. |
| 07:56.27 | roshan | simonrvn, checked it. But, my intention was different. Not across network, in the same file system, offering multiple copy baskets?? |
| 07:57.07 | simonrvn | you still can, and you can do it with cp yoo... |
| 07:57.12 | simonrvn | too* |
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| 07:57.23 | simonrvn | WTF is a copy basket? |
| 07:57.56 | kab | weird |
| 07:57.58 | kab | errors already |
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| 07:58.38 | simonrvn | sounds like marketroid speak... |
| 07:59.02 | kab | setting up kernel |
| 08:00.15 | kab | wow |
| 08:00.17 | kab | this discover stuff |
| 08:00.25 | kab | is confusing |
| 08:00.44 | simonrvn | it's very verbose... basically telling you what it's doing |
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| 08:02.00 | simonrvn | roshan: it's not you, it's just the windows-centric jargon you're using is confusing this poor *nix dude |
| 08:03.25 | liable | !confuse simonrvn |
| 08:03.25 | dpkg | No, how are my snake tomorrow, simonrvn? shirts of the monarchy of swaziland with extra cream |
| 08:03.54 | liable | did someone change that, or is just not that funny anymore? |
| 08:03.56 | roshan | simonrvn, its DIRECTORY. any such software exists? |
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| 08:04.29 | liable | i get the feeling its missing a bit in the middle |
| 08:04.50 | simonrvn | roshan: yes. cp for example. cp /some/path/somefile /some/other/path/anotherfile /some/other/place/ |
| 08:04.56 | propriet1rysucks | I am connected to a vpn I think because I can ping another internal machien but I can't ssh or scp, it just hangs |
| 08:05.13 | liable | ssh out from the network? |
| 08:05.20 | liable | or inside the lan? |
| 08:05.31 | roshan | simonrvn, not in command. something more generic, automated script software? GUI? |
| 08:05.41 | propriet1rysucks | liable: through the vpn |
| 08:05.56 | kab | moshii time for grub. |
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| 08:06.03 | simonrvn | roshan: you can't get more generic than cp ;) |
| 08:06.14 | liable | propriet1rysucks: that doesnt answer my question, is the box you are ssh'ing to inside or outside the lan? |
| 08:06.30 | kab | moshii i seem to have lost that link you gave me for the grub part, do you have it handy? |
| 08:07.00 | propriet1rysucks | the lan.... |
| 08:07.01 | kab | ah nvm |
| 08:07.06 | propriet1rysucks | well it's in a lan |
| 08:07.17 | propriet1rysucks | there's my computers at home right |
| 08:07.18 | liable | the same lan as the openvpn server? |
| 08:07.26 | propriet1rysucks | yes at work yeah |
| 08:07.43 | propriet1rysucks | I can ping it by specifying the device |
| 08:07.47 | roshan | simonrvn, ok.. thanks |
| 08:07.54 | propriet1rysucks | so ping 192.168.7.221 doesn't work |
| 08:07.57 | liable | you dont make much sense. where are you, who has the server and where are you connecting to |
| 08:08.03 | propriet1rysucks | but ping -I ppp0 192.168.7.221 works |
| 08:08.10 | simonrvn | roshan: there's many GUI apps you can use, but the best tools are commandline (IMO) |
| 08:08.16 | liable | nevermind, i gotta go |
| 08:08.20 | simonrvn | fuck |
| 08:08.23 | propriet1rysucks | crap =/ |
| 08:08.48 | propriet1rysucks | I am at home; O |
| 08:08.49 | kab | oh wow im so lost. |
| 08:08.56 | hoxu | !fuckstats simonrvn |
| 08:08.56 | dpkg | ($1): $1 is totally fucked |
| 08:09.00 | hoxu | O_o |
| 08:09.05 | propriet1rysucks | I've connected to a vpn at work |
| 08:09.24 | propriet1rysucks | so my ppp0 has ip address of an internal work computer |
| 08:09.34 | propriet1rysucks | I can ping other computers at work |
| 08:09.36 | propriet1rysucks | from here |
| 08:09.43 | propriet1rysucks | but I can't ssh or scp them |
| 08:09.47 | tralala | propriet1rysucks, using openvpn? |
| 08:09.51 | kab | god damnn it. |
| 08:09.52 | propriet1rysucks | no |
| 08:09.59 | kab | moshii ? |
| 08:10.00 | propriet1rysucks | it's a pptp |
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| 08:10.07 | propriet1rysucks | I just set it up manually |
| 08:10.32 | tralala | propriet1rysucks, do you have iproute installed? |
| 08:10.33 | propriet1rysucks | using these steps mostly: http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian.phtml#configure_by_hand |
| 08:10.52 | propriet1rysucks | no |
| 08:11.30 | propriet1rysucks | let me check what's the apt equivelent of rpm -q again sorry |
| 08:11.41 | tralala | dpkg -l iproute |
| 08:11.41 | dpkg | No packages found matching iproute |
| 08:11.49 | tralala | dpkg, shut up |
| 08:11.49 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
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| 08:12.40 | propriet1rysucks | http://nopaste.com/p/a3stqn0d6 |
| 08:12.48 | propriet1rysucks | not sure what that means |
| 08:13.31 | propriet1rysucks | should I install that package? |
| 08:13.39 | tralala | yes |
| 08:13.54 | tralala | and then I want to see ip r |
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| 08:14.24 | simonrvn | i wonder how an irc bot gets a shiny metal ass... wouldn't it be electric by nature? or a PCB ? |
| 08:14.31 | simonrvn | *g* |
| 08:14.35 | propriet1rysucks | 192.168.7.5 dev ppp0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.7.237 |
| 08:14.35 | propriet1rysucks | 192.168.15.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.15.101 |
| 08:14.35 | propriet1rysucks | default via 192.168.15.1 dev eth0 |
| 08:14.57 | propriet1rysucks | that .7. is my work subnet |
| 08:15.10 | propriet1rysucks | .15. is my home router subnet |
| 08:15.27 | tralala | propriet1rysucks, you don't have a route to your work network |
| 08:15.59 | tralala | ip r add 192.168.7.0/24 dev ppp0 |
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| 08:16.26 | propriet1rysucks | what about this? http://nopaste.com/p/afsTdbo8m |
| 08:16.56 | tralala | propriet1rysucks, what about this ping 192.168.7.221? |
| 08:17.03 | propriet1rysucks | no it doesn't work |
| 08:17.08 | tralala | exactly |
| 08:17.11 | tralala | now add the route |
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| 08:17.32 | propriet1rysucks | wow it works thanks |
| 08:17.45 | kab | moshii ? |
| 08:17.52 | tralala | propriet1rysucks, you're welcome |
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| 08:19.48 | tralala | propriet1rysucks, you can add a post-up line in /etc/network/interfaces for this route to be added every time on connect |
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| 08:20.13 | tralala | s/post-up/up/ |
| 08:20.29 | propriet1rysucks | hmm looks like nfs mounts don't work |
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| 08:21.09 | propriet1rysucks | what would that look like? ifcconfig ppp0 up ? |
| 08:21.24 | tralala | man interfaces |
| 08:21.52 | tralala | to make nfs work over a setup like this will be a pain |
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| 08:22.39 | propriet1rysucks | not a big deal |
| 08:22.43 | propriet1rysucks | scp should be fine |
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| 08:26.28 | obnauticus | Anyone here know of a good NNTP client for linux? |
| 08:26.53 | tralala | mutt? |
| 08:26.58 | obnauticus | mutt eh |
| 08:27.02 | xingu | trn |
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| 08:27.22 | simonrvn | mxstlplk |
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| 08:28.06 | tralala | simonrvn, is that your root password? ;) |
| 08:28.31 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 08:34.06 | obnauticus | tralala not mutt |
| 08:34.15 | obnauticus | one with GTK 2 support |
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| 08:34.58 | xingu | "good" "nntp" and "gtk" - there's three words you don't often see together ;) |
| 08:35.40 | obnauticus | ya i know |
| 08:35.40 | obnauticus | lol |
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| 08:36.39 | xingu | perhaps icedove or evolution support nntp? |
| 08:36.49 | obnauticus | i dunno i found hellznzb |
| 08:36.54 | obnauticus | hellanzb* |
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| 08:40.05 | tralala | obnauticus, check if sylpheed supports nntp. It appears to be popular for some reasons beyond my understanding. |
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| 08:41.49 | obnauticus | k |
| 08:45.00 | simonrvn | in emacs, how do you convert a buffer from tabs to spaces? |
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| 08:46.10 | simonrvn | nm |
| 08:48.26 | tralala | simonrvn, you save, the buffer as a file, you open it with vim and you do :%retab ;) |
| 08:48.42 | lymeca | I'm trying to run Icecast 2.3.1 on etch and it's complaining of "Could not create listener socket on port 8000" and crashing as soon as I load it.... |
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| 09:14.34 | LeventersoY | i find a apt package repository of debian sarge 3.1 |
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| 09:33.39 | redax | hi, |
| 09:33.47 | martian67 | greetings |
| 09:34.02 | redax | please help, where can I find debianized newer kernels? |
| 09:35.06 | redax | actually what I have the 2.6.18-5-486 |
| 09:36.25 | acemi | you can compile your own kernel or look at www.backports.org |
| 09:36.33 | hoxu | !tell redax about make-kpkg |
| 09:38.01 | redax | I know how to build my own kernel using make-kpkg |
| 09:38.26 | redax | just looking for binary ones |
| 09:38.48 | redax | earlier there was several kernel-images which was compiled for 586 or 686 ... etc. |
| 09:38.56 | redax | now I find just this -486 |
| 09:38.59 | Cromag | kernel.org ? |
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| 09:39.16 | o2T7 | hi |
| 09:39.29 | hoxu | lo |
| 09:39.49 | o2T7 | Is there any way of scp'ing files which diff? |
| 09:39.53 | acemi | aptitude search linux-image not kernel-image |
| 09:40.11 | hoxu | o2T7, you mean transferring only changes? Had a look at rsync? |
| 09:40.35 | redax | ehh |
| 09:40.49 | o2T7 | I didn't. It's what i want, transfer files which differ |
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| 09:41.01 | redax | I know the name is changed to linux-image.. but no other kernel just the 486 |
| 09:41.07 | redax | ok forget. |
| 09:41.08 | redax | thanks |
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| 09:41.43 | hoxu | o2T7, please elaborate - do you want to transfer only files that have changed since last upload (as full files), or changes in files? |
| 09:42.00 | hoxu | o2T7, the first you could perhaps script around using scp, but for the latter you definitely need rsync |
| 09:42.02 | o2T7 | Sorry for my bad english |
| 09:42.09 | o2T7 | The first option. |
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| 09:42.58 | hoxu | o2T7, so rsync is not an option / you are limited to only sftp/scp? |
| 09:43.22 | o2T7 | I could use ftp also, but ideally ssh |
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| 09:43.43 | hoxu | o2T7, rsync it is then, it works over SSH |
| 09:44.00 | et | (as does scp/sftp ;)) |
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| 09:44.35 | o2T7 | I'm reading rsync doc :) |
| 09:44.56 | hoxu | et, those don't support what o2T7 needs without some script trickery, and even then you have to upload complete files if they change (afaics) |
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| 09:51.04 | hultiz | I'm trying to make scandinavian letters work in irssi (over PuTTy and in a screen) and I've managed to do it several times, but it seems to fall back to not working whenever i detach/attach... Is there any final solution for this? |
| 09:51.40 | hoxu | hultiz, #irssi |
| 09:51.52 | hultiz | true, sry |
| 09:52.07 | hoxu | !tell hultiz about irssi+utf8 |
| 09:52.45 | hultiz | btw ive tried that, doesnt work this time and keeps falling back |
| 09:52.52 | hoxu | hultiz, that page contains example commands to make it so that some channels use scandinavian charset |
| 09:53.12 | hoxu | did you set :utf8 on in screen? |
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| 09:53.32 | hultiz | screen -U irssi |
| 09:53.42 | hultiz | but personally it never worked for me |
| 09:54.01 | o2T7 | hoxu: rsync is exactly what I was looking for. It's great. It did the job fast and cleanly. Thank you very much. |
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| 09:54.09 | hoxu | hultiz, try "^A:utf8 on" or "defutf8 on" in ~/.screenrc |
| 09:54.23 | hoxu | o2T7, welcome to the happy world of rsync users :) |
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| 09:56.20 | o2T7 | `scp -r file/` was used by me in excess. No doubt that i will use the rsync command heavily :) |
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| 10:23.30 | entaro | hey ppl. i'm trying to find where $SHELL val is defined, can someone help me? |
| 10:24.15 | valdyn | entaro: why? most things just use /bin/sh |
| 10:24.16 | DustyBin | entaro: /etc/passwd |
| 10:24.21 | valdyn | entaro: ops |
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| 10:24.41 | valdyn | entaro: what DustyBin sais, guess I misunderstood what you want |
| 10:25.08 | entaro | valdyn: never mind sh, i got used to bash that's all =) |
| 10:25.24 | entaro | DustyBin: tnx man |
| 10:25.29 | DustyBin | entaro: man chsh |
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| 10:26.20 | tribalero | http://kde.org/announcements/4.0/ |
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| 10:26.29 | valdyn | !kde4 |
| 10:26.30 | dpkg | hmm... kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. |
| 10:26.54 | ajitam | hi I got windows partition and when I try to mount I get 'Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use. Choose one action:' |
| 10:27.14 | DustyBin | IMO kde 4 needs to mature a bit before its ready to use |
| 10:27.22 | valdyn | ajitam: it was not cleanly unmounted from windows? |
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| 10:28.35 | acemi | ajitam: open and close windows. then try to mount it again |
| 10:28.43 | ajitam | valdyn: This is secound disk in my pc. I just shoutdown win for the last time |
| 10:28.56 | ajitam | acemi: I don't have win any more |
| 10:29.13 | Coke | Hello. I'm looking for a command line utility that can convert HTML (with CSS) to PostScript. It's important it can handle modern CSS, in particular the page-break-* styles. Oh, and I don't want it to require TeX. Any suggestions? |
| 10:29.31 | acemi | there is a tool which fix the ntfs partition but I don't remember the name |
| 10:29.53 | ajitam | hmm ok acemi I'll take I look |
| 10:29.57 | valdyn | acemi: "ntfsfix" ? |
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| 10:30.35 | acemi | valdyn: yes |
| 10:30.37 | entaro | DustyBin: ok, it's not about changing shells, by account has bash defined as def shell. it's that $SHELL is "/bin/sh" and when i launch screen, it uses that var to get a shell to use. so i'm trying to find where $SHELL is defined by default, so i could change that and not bother with screen -s bash anymore =)) |
| 10:30.58 | entaro | "by default my account has..." |
| 10:31.16 | valdyn | entaro: i suppose you have a reason why /bin/sh is not pointing to bash ? |
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| 10:31.44 | entaro | nope. it's clean install, haven't changed anything yet |
| 10:31.51 | valdyn | entaro: ls -l /bin/sh |
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| 10:32.23 | entaro | oh wow. it's symlink... /bin/sh -> bash |
| 10:32.52 | entaro | i'm a newbie =_= tnx for helping out |
| 10:33.11 | moshii | entaro: the shell is set in /etc/passwd too |
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| 10:34.33 | entaro | moshii: yep. i'm trying to figure out why screen lauches sh... ugh |
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| 10:35.33 | entaro | well anyways. screen -s bash will do for now |
| 10:35.42 | moshii | entaro: when you do echo $SHELL is should say /bin/bash.. that's the default |
| 10:36.00 | entaro | says /bin/sh |
| 10:36.58 | entaro | is there like account specific config file for my account somewhere in the system? |
| 10:37.04 | moshii | entaro: yup, dunno why it's doing that.. maybe the tool you use for adding users did that... but it doesn't matter because /bin/sh is a link to bash anyhow |
| 10:37.18 | entaro | right... |
| 10:37.35 | moshii | entaro: /etc/passwd contains home directory path, shell etc |
| 10:37.41 | entaro | yep |
| 10:37.46 | moshii | entaro: you're meant to use tools to interface with it though |
| 10:37.54 | entaro | but vars are defined somplece else |
| 10:38.41 | entaro | let's say i want to define some vars for my account, where should i do that? .bashrc? |
| 10:38.52 | valdyn | entaro: no |
| 10:39.25 | moshii | there is /etc/profile that runs for everyone on login.. |
| 10:39.47 | valdyn | entaro: bashrc is run for every bash, bash_profile for every bash login etc |
| 10:40.43 | valdyn | !dotfiles |
| 10:40.44 | dpkg | dotfiles is probably http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 10:41.03 | entaro | ok. i better go read mans instead of bohering you ppl. thanks for all ur help! =) |
| 10:41.04 | valdyn | entaro: it gets weird once gdm or xdm are involved, see what dpkg linked |
| 10:42.39 | moshii | the xsession stuff is a nightmare :( |
| 10:45.26 | DustyBin | what tools could i use to convert a .ogg to a .mp3 ? |
| 10:45.40 | xand | DustyBin: why would you want to do that? :O |
| 10:45.52 | DustyBin | xand: i run a shoutcast radio station what is mp3 based |
| 10:46.22 | valdyn | DustyBin: oggdec | lame , basically |
| 10:46.26 | DustyBin | in the future i will change to icecast + ogg but not yet |
| 10:46.49 | DustyBin | aye thanks :D |
| 10:46.54 | DustyBin | vorbis-tools - several Ogg Vorbis tools |
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| 10:49.53 | Rev_Slid3r | anyone happen to know why after allowing the system to do the updadtes it recommended .. my gnome now looks like raw gtk blah square grey? |
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| 10:50.29 | Rev_Slid3r | I liked te default gnome the install set up |
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| 10:52.01 | bert | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:53.44 | streuner | bert: "Does gparted support ufs"? |
| 10:54.12 | streuner | bert: whats the real question? |
| 10:54.21 | bert | only detection, move and copy |
| 10:54.45 | streuner | so in d-i? |
| 10:54.50 | bert | I want to make a hfs+ or ufs partition, to move some stuff from my old mac to my new one |
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| 10:55.00 | bert | d-i ??? |
| 10:55.07 | streuner | !d-i |
| 10:55.07 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
| 10:55.22 | streuner | Debian-Installer |
| 10:55.57 | streuner | if you talking about partman, someone think you want to use d-i ... |
| 10:56.11 | bert | no I'm on ubuntu |
| 10:56.22 | bert | but I know the debian guys just know more then the ubuntu ones :p |
| 10:56.37 | streuner | not about ubuntu ;-) |
| 10:56.39 | hoxu | !ubuntusmite bert |
| 10:56.57 | bert | lolz :P |
| 10:57.18 | streuner | !ubuntu |
| 10:57.18 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 10:57.44 | compDo | Hi, I can't add my parallel port printer (hp 6l) in CUPS since I have no option (in CUPS->Administration->Add Printer) to choose the parallel port device. In dmesg, parport0 and lp0 are listed as successfully found |
| 10:57.59 | bert | yeah, I know ubuntu and debian are not the same |
| 10:58.07 | bert | but partitions apply to all operating systems |
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| 10:59.18 | streuner | that would be ##linux then :-) |
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| 11:00.33 | streuner | compDo: and that is etch? |
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| 11:00.58 | compDo | streuner, yes |
| 11:01.23 | streuner | compDo: did you configure it first? |
| 11:01.33 | streuner | in http://localhost:631 ? |
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| 11:03.00 | compDo | streuner, do I also have to configure the parallel port in the CUPS server configuration before it will be available as device with "Add Printer"? |
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| 11:03.32 | streuner | parse error, just configure CUPS first |
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| 11:08.30 | teclo- | Hi there. Ouch, when I do "grub-install hd0" I get "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" and grub won't update the MBR because of that... any idea ? |
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| 11:08.53 | azeem | teclo-: try to reinstall grub |
| 11:09.09 | teclo- | aptitude install --reinstall grub ? |
| 11:10.19 | compDo | streuner, is there an option to enable the parallel port? I don't see anything and am also little bit surprised before CUPS worked before I've done some update in the last days |
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| 11:12.13 | INternat | whats a good bug/job tracking software for development of stuff? |
| 11:12.45 | harpal | INternat, try mantis |
| 11:13.11 | hoxu | INternat, also have a look at flyspray depending on how "heavy" your needs are |
| 11:13.31 | |zeal| | tralala: hi ,are you there? |
| 11:13.44 | LeventersoY | how can i upgrade my debian sarge 3.1 to etch |
| 11:13.45 | LeventersoY | ? |
| 11:13.58 | LeventersoY | i find a packages repostroy |
| 11:14.20 | Eulex | !sarge->etch |
| 11:14.20 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> |
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| 11:15.49 | LeventersoY | how can i seen a update a sarge? |
| 11:16.01 | teclo- | goddamnit |
| 11:16.04 | LeventersoY | what can i use the comman? |
| 11:16.05 | LeventersoY | hehe |
| 11:16.07 | LeventersoY | :)) |
| 11:16.25 | streuner | compDo: as i told you before, just configure CUPS, it should be accessable then |
| 11:17.02 | Rev_Slid3r | ok to bump my last question? |
| 11:17.18 | Rev_Slid3r | anyone happen to know why after allowing the system to do the updadtes it recommended .. my gnome now looks like raw gtk blah square grey? |
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| 11:17.50 | azeem | Rev_Slid3r: maybe show us a screenshot, rather |
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| 11:17.57 | azeem | that description isn't very precise |
| 11:17.59 | LeventersoY | r http://distro.ibiblio.org etch/main tzdata 2007j-1etch1 |
| 11:17.59 | LeventersoY | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.07 | LeventersoY | goddamnit :P |
| 11:19.03 | AnyFile | Sorry to bother you, I need to resize an NTFS partition (own by MS Vista). I know I should read http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html , but I can not still connect to that site. is there anywhere else where I can find information? |
| 11:19.35 | valdyn | AnyFile: the manpage |
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| 11:21.12 | AnyFile | What I would like to know if I run the debian installation without having done the resize, will the debain installer ask me to lunch ntfsresize or I need to have it done before installing debian? |
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| 11:21.35 | tweakism | why does this print a blank line |
| 11:21.39 | tweakism | dpkg-query -W -f "${Package}\t${Version}\n" dpkg |
| 11:21.41 | azeem | AnyFile: the installer can resize, yes |
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| 11:23.48 | AnyFile | but I have a bigger problem the installer says it can not find any hard driver and if I try to use "fdsik -l /dev/hda" it report that the partion table is corrupt. My computer should have an "hidden" partion to hold recovery data of the pre-installed (bad) software |
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| 11:24.11 | Rev_Slid3r | and things are missing from my menus as well |
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| 11:24.21 | jelly-home | tweakism: your ${} in double qoutes will be expanded by the shell instead of being passed to dpkg-query, use single quotes |
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| 11:24.26 | Rev_Slid3r | I am not pleased with this udate at all |
| 11:24.34 | tweakism | jelly-home: ah, danke. |
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| 11:26.47 | harpal | When I do ping www.google.com than it says me ping: bad address 'www.google.com' |
| 11:27.07 | harpal | I have nameserver entry in my /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:27.49 | Eulex | Rev_Slid3r, is the gtk2 engine that you're using installed? is a 'non-blocky' theme used? |
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| 11:27.50 | AnyFile | harpal: what "host www.google.com" gives you? |
| 11:28.25 | tralala | zealo, yep |
| 11:28.27 | Rev_Slid3r | Eulex: well tbh I am not sure why it changed from the default installed with 4.0 (etch) |
| 11:28.28 | LeventersoY | where is downloaded file at lynx |
| 11:28.30 | Rev_Slid3r | also |
| 11:28.43 | Rev_Slid3r | it screwed up network-manager and uninstalled gdm |
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| 11:29.31 | harpal | AnyFile, I dont have host command |
| 11:29.48 | Eulex | Rev_Slid3r, it's your responsibility to check that it doesn't remove any packages that you need |
| 11:29.57 | AnyFile | do you have dig or nslookup, harpal? |
| 11:30.03 | Eulex | Rev_Slid3r, and also, this doesn't sound like a pure update of etch. did you upgrade to lenny? |
| 11:30.47 | Rev_Slid3r | tbh, when the aptitude deal in the menu bar said there are updates ready to be installed , I allowed it to |
| 11:30.50 | harpal | AnyFile, I have nslook up |
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| 11:31.56 | AnyFile | what you get with "nslookup www.google.com"? |
| 11:32.34 | harpal | nslookup: can't resolve 'www.google.com' |
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| 11:32.58 | netgear | is there any gui thing to help me share internet connection to other pc in debian? |
| 11:33.10 | valdyn | Rev_Slid3r: so you are running ubuntu? |
| 11:33.15 | AnyFile | try nslookup www.google.com <ip_of_your_dns> |
| 11:33.15 | zealo | tralala: I come to tell you that today I found that for ssh v1, the speed is only about 8MB/s, compared to 25MB/s in v2 |
| 11:33.16 | wald0 | netgear: iptables |
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| 11:33.30 | zealo | tralala: surprise,ha ? |
| 11:33.34 | netgear | wald0: is that gui? |
| 11:33.36 | Rev_Slid3r | valdyn: negative deb 4.0 |
| 11:33.46 | harpal | AnyFile, still not |
| 11:33.47 | wald0 | netgear: no, commandline... just made a script with what you need |
| 11:33.58 | tralala | zealo, indeed. I haven't tested it yet but I will |
| 11:33.59 | valdyn | zealo: watch cpu usage on both |
| 11:34.05 | wald0 | netgear: what interface is connected to internet and what one can be used to connect at the 2º pc ? |
| 11:34.17 | harpal | AnyFile, Thanks I found it |
| 11:34.27 | netgear | wald0: the thing is i need to do it on a headless machine, so if i mess up and my network is down im screwed |
| 11:34.33 | harpal | I havent set gateway so its not sending any request |
| 11:34.39 | harpal | AnyFile, thanks |
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| 11:34.54 | netgear | wald0: ppp0 is my internet and i want to share via ethernet to bridge br0 |
| 11:34.56 | AnyFile | happy you solved, harpal |
| 11:35.08 | zealo | valdyn: both are very high, when transfering a big file, though I didn't measure it very precisely |
| 11:35.31 | wald0 | netgear: well, i can give you a example of my configuration (laptop has internet via wifi (ath0), and give internet to my other PC via LAN (eth1)) |
| 11:35.37 | valdyn | zealo: i would have thought that the differences only comes from v1 using a cipher that caps your cpu |
| 11:35.46 | netgear | wald0: that would be nice |
| 11:36.08 | valdyn | zealo: rather, using a cipher that already caps your cpu at 8mb/s |
| 11:36.13 | valdyn | zealo: ciphers can be switched |
| 11:36.23 | zealo | valdyn: seems making some sense :) |
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| 11:36.36 | wald0 | netgear: http://debian.pastebin.com/me8a5040 |
| 11:36.38 | valdyn | zealo: its certainly not protocol overhead anywwy.. |
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| 11:36.49 | netgear | wald0: thanks |
| 11:37.00 | zealo | valdyn: I will test it some other day |
| 11:37.13 | zealo | valdyn: thanks for pointing out that |
| 11:37.40 | jelly-home | 3des bad, blowfish good |
| 11:37.40 | wald0 | netgear: only the first 3 commands is what you need: line 5: set up a new ip for the connection laptop<-->pc, note that in the next line there is a '0' 192.168.65.0 |
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| 11:38.35 | wald0 | netgear: then, on the PC that i want to have internet, i need just to set up my interface to use 65.2 for the ip, and 65.1 for the gateway |
| 11:38.53 | wald0 | netgear: you need to apt-get install iptables on machine-1 |
| 11:39.04 | netgear | wald0: ok |
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| 11:40.44 | ccfggh | Hi |
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| 11:42.11 | xand | bye. |
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| 11:44.15 | netgear | wald0: can you have a look at that and see if i made some errors, my dialup is ppp0 and the computers ip 192.168.0.1 and the pc i want to share to is 192.168.0.2 and its a bridge br0 http://debian.pastebin.com/d61ba8f38 |
| 11:45.12 | xand | I thought netgear were experts at networking. |
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| 11:46.03 | netgear | xand: you know how to configure it? |
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| 11:46.19 | xand | I wouldn't use bridging, I'd use NAT |
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| 11:46.53 | netgear | i have 3 ethernet cards in the machine i want to share internet to, i bridged them |
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| 11:48.09 | Luria | anyone here have an eeepc? particularly one running debian or *ubuntu ? |
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| 11:57.51 | zealo | valdyn: I have tried blowfish and its result is 16MB /s, but still not as fast as v2 |
| 11:58.21 | zealo | valdyn: seems no other choice in ssh manual |
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| 12:02.36 | zealo | valdyn: ssh v2 with blowfish is constantly 26MB/s just now. |
| 12:03.39 | mikey- | hey, how can I prevent autoloading certain modules on boot, I have a tv card which is recognized wrong. I'd like to use /etc/modules to load modules with proper params, but earlier autoloading of those modules messes this up |
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| 12:05.52 | alterego | What package contains the php executable? |
| 12:06.14 | alterego | I've installed php5 but I can't find php :/ |
| 12:06.58 | alterego | Ah, php-cli .. |
| 12:06.59 | alterego | :) |
| 12:07.32 | beardy | TAB is your friend. |
| 12:07.45 | beardy | apropos aswell |
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| 12:14.47 | vlt | mikey-: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 12:15.01 | cahoot | mikey-: try /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 12:16.08 | tim__b | is there an "alternative" to cp which shows some more information like percentage (and speed) ? |
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| 12:19.05 | vlt | tim__b: There's a cp version that is more verbose but I don't know if it's part of Debian. You could use scp or rsync, even locally ;) |
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| 12:19.31 | tim__b | vlt, thanks, i will give that a try |
| 12:19.36 | SpeedyG | Hi, i've got a problem with samba on debian joining a PDC, wbinfo -t keeps giving me a 'checking the trust secret via RPC calls failed' error. anyone know what I can do about this ? |
| 12:19.50 | martian67 | scp locally would be throughly overkill |
| 12:20.11 | martian67 | the encryption/decryption overhead would slow things down alot |
| 12:20.17 | tim__b | hmm |
| 12:20.55 | hoxu | martian67, not if the source and destination are local paths :P |
| 12:21.03 | mikey- | vlt,cahoot: that's it, thanks! |
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| 12:21.10 | martian67 | hoxu, it still goes through ssh |
| 12:21.16 | martian67 | hence encrypted :/ |
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| 12:21.41 | hoxu | hmm, nevermind, it seems to just call cp for local copying |
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| 12:22.29 | SpeedyG | anyone? |
| 12:22.33 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 12:24.17 | cloud_ | is there some way to tell the installer that I want another desktop than Gnome? |
| 12:24.44 | SpeedyG | cloud_: not install any desktop env. and afterwards install your prefered desktop |
| 12:24.45 | Penix | cloud_: you can specify something like 'tasks=kde-desktop' at the installer prompt |
| 12:25.03 | Penix | boot prompt. whatever |
| 12:25.32 | cloud_ | Penix |
| 12:25.38 | cloud_ | thanks |
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| 12:26.01 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 12:26.13 | SamuraiDio | can i limit the band width aptitude uses? |
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| 12:26.43 | hoxu | SamuraiDio, try trickle |
| 12:27.03 | valdyn | !wondershaper |
| 12:27.03 | dpkg | hmm... wondershaper is a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy |
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| 12:29.34 | GeorgeGibson78 | !live |
| 12:29.34 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and #debian-live, or http://live.debian.net/live-webhelper/ |
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| 12:35.19 | gigo | hi |
| 12:35.35 | gigo | what is the difference between dosbox and dosemu? |
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| 12:38.11 | valdyn | gigo: dosbox is a full software virtualisation, dosemu uses tricks that only work on 386 cpus |
| 12:39.17 | valdyn | gigo: so dosemu should be faster |
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| 12:43.33 | DimmuR | I've 2 network cards on motherboad: eth0 and wlan0 (wifi) and when I'm downloading something in 99% cases it uses only wifi - is it possible (without turning it off) to set "default" to eth0 under debian? |
| 12:43.34 | SamuraiDio | hoxu, thanks |
| 12:43.49 | gigo | one friend gave me a movie of 300 MB broken into 100 MB each. the first file pays. but the other two doesn't play. |
| 12:44.09 | gigo | he said it is just a binary split and not proper video split and I must combine the three files into one to play all of them |
| 12:44.10 | valdyn | gigo: cat file1 file2 fil3 > bigfile.avi |
| 12:44.16 | gigo | oh! that simple? |
| 12:44.18 | gigo | let me try |
| 12:44.34 | petemc | that will wotk for raw mpeg, but avi? |
| 12:44.39 | petemc | work |
| 12:44.45 | valdyn | it will work for his split |
| 12:45.04 | petemc | dont avi files have headers and such? |
| 12:45.16 | valdyn | petemc: read what gigo said |
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| 12:45.27 | wald0 | new debian kernels change "hda" names to "sda" ? |
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| 12:45.50 | valdyn | gigo: use whatever suffix you have, not "avi" if it wasnt "avi" |
| 12:46.09 | valdyn | wald0: yes, occasionally |
| 12:46.23 | gigo | valdyn: yes avi is working. :-) thank you very much |
| 12:46.44 | wald0 | valdyn: is better now to use sdX instead of hdX ? |
| 12:46.45 | gigo | valdyn: how did you understand from your home that my file is avi? are you hacking? |
| 12:46.51 | valdyn | gigo: that doesnt mean its correct, mplayer would play anything with any wrong suffix, for instance |
| 12:47.04 | gigo | valdyn: oh |
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| 12:47.45 | valdyn | gigo: in movies, the suffix is mostly for the user, players tend to read the header to find out what it is |
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| 12:48.58 | valdyn | wald0: its just a name. |
| 12:49.03 | gigo | valdyn: ok |
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| 12:50.01 | Rapp | where do i get a debian package for transKode? |
| 12:50.11 | valdyn | !debian-multimedia |
| 12:50.11 | dpkg | i guess debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
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| 12:50.24 | valdyn | Rapp: or did you really mean transKode ? |
| 12:50.28 | valdyn | Rapp: i only know transcode |
| 12:50.46 | Rapp | valdyn: i meant transKode. |
| 12:51.10 | Rapp | it is a kde frontend to several encoders, mainly used by amarok to re-encode files on the fly, while copying to your mp3 player |
| 12:51.33 | Symmetria | YAY! my ls-lR finally finished |
| 12:51.34 | Symmetria | root@jhb-mirror:/public-ftp# wc -l ls-lR |
| 12:51.38 | Symmetria | 6079164 ls-lR |
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| 12:54.39 | xand | Symmetria: I don't see how that worked unless ls-lR is an alias :P |
| 12:54.53 | Eulex | I assume it's a file |
| 12:54.54 | Symmetria | xand, ls-lR is a file |
| 12:54.56 | xand | oh |
| 12:55.00 | Symmetria | a big file :) |
| 12:55.08 | Eulex | that he dumped the output of ls -lR into |
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| 12:55.27 | Symmetria | root@jhb-mirror:/public-ftp# ls --color=never -lR > ls-lR |
| 12:55.28 | Symmetria | :) |
| 12:55.36 | jetscreamer | yeh i was gonna mention the lack of a space in the command also |
| 12:55.59 | Symmetria | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 451883951 2008-01-12 14:53 ls-lR.backup |
| 12:55.59 | Symmetria | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 59179502 2008-01-12 14:50 ls-lR.gz |
| 12:55.59 | Symmetria | heh |
| 12:56.01 | Symmetria | there we go :) |
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| 12:56.19 | Symmetria | :) |
| 12:56.21 | Eulex | 440 mb of.... file listings???? |
| 12:56.24 | Symmetria | mirror server now fully functional :) |
| 12:56.39 | Symmetria | heh eulex thats ftp.mirror.ac.za |
| 12:56.42 | Symmetria | its big :p |
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| 12:57.07 | Eulex | well, I'm wondering why you're saving the file listings at all |
| 12:57.29 | Symmetria | eulex *shrug* request from some users that want to be able to download a full listing to grep through it etc for certain files |
| 12:57.37 | Eulex | heh, ok |
| 12:57.40 | Symmetria | will now cron a job that does it :) just wanted to see how long it took |
| 12:57.56 | Symmetria | heh, I think they probably use the listing to search for specific files inside things like the bioinformatics mirrors |
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| 12:59.16 | kLinGo | hello: is this a problem ? |
| 12:59.16 | kLinGo | eth0: Flow control is off for TX and off for RX |
| 12:59.21 | Bad_Girl- | My City here!! =====>> http://kolopetinitsa.myminicity.com/ |
| 12:59.27 | Bad_Girl- | My City here!! =====>> http://kolopetinitsa.myminicity.com/ |
| 12:59.29 | kLinGo | sometimes i experience slow connecting to server |
| 12:59.37 | jetscreamer | !ops Bad_Girl- |
| 12:59.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jetscreamer complains about: Bad_Girl- |
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| 13:00.20 | jetscreamer | i've never seen that one, kLinGo .... not sure |
| 13:00.31 | jetscreamer | sounds ungood though |
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| 13:01.47 | mavhk | yet another lame website that implictly encourages spamming no doubt |
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| 13:01.58 | mavhk | or YALWTIES |
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| 13:03.11 | kLinGo | jetscreamer: im not sure too |
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| 13:12.18 | Kano | hi,is there a way to create "old style" xorg.conf files on sid? |
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| 13:12.27 | Kano | the new one is too short |
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| 13:15.12 | GeorgeGibson78 | Kano, what do you mean ? |
| 13:15.44 | sam__ | I am stuck with ndiswrapper. ndiswrapper -e bcmwl5 |
| 13:15.45 | sam__ | couldn't delete /etc/ndiswrapper/bcmwl5: No such file or directory |
| 13:15.45 | sam__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:17.07 | Kano | GeorgeGibson78: now no screen section is written |
| 13:17.15 | Kano | and no default color depth |
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| 13:20.36 | jetscreamer | have you done the drxx, Kano ? |
| 13:20.40 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 13:20.40 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 13:21.00 | jetscreamer | you can hand edit it also |
| 13:21.11 | Kano | i know that |
| 13:21.21 | Kano | but that is way shorter than it was before |
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| 13:21.44 | Kano | not even color depth and res is asked, thats not good |
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| 13:22.10 | wols_ | Kano: -plow |
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| 13:24.26 | jetscreamer | i can't remember the last time i saw drxx ask me about rez's |
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| 13:27.36 | Kano | wols_: does not change anything |
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| 13:28.11 | SamuraiDio | kde4 is on debian experimental, right? |
| 13:28.11 | guhuawei | hi |
| 13:28.20 | cahoot | Kano: the end result isn't correct? |
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| 13:28.38 | dpringat | hi, is there no bitchx in lenny? |
| 13:28.49 | Ronin | !why is bitchx not in testing |
| 13:28.49 | dpkg | bitchx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=bitchx |
| 13:28.56 | Kano | cahoot: not for my purpose |
| 13:29.09 | Kano | it only asks for keyboard |
| 13:29.12 | dpringat | Ronin, thx |
| 13:29.19 | FunctorSalad | oh hai, trying to install kde4. I have the experimental branch in my sources.list. but "kdeartwork-theme-icon conflicts with kdelibs-data (< 4:3.90.0)", and there is no newer version of kdelibs-data available. |
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| 13:29.36 | Luria | hey, in general terms, how far apart are xandros and debian? [asking because of a potential eeepc purchase] |
| 13:29.49 | jetscreamer | FunctorSalad: that's what happens |
| 13:29.49 | Ronin | dpringat: install irssi, you'll never go back |
| 13:29.51 | DustyBin | how do you copy files from a backup and keep the same sub-dirs as the destination, so everything gets copied in the same locations? |
| 13:29.59 | jetscreamer | !experimental |
| 13:30.00 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 13:30.39 | DustyBin | ie. im trying to copy from /mnt/backup/netlabels to /mnt/audiostore/netlabels both netlabels contain lots of sub-dirs, but id like to copy all the .ogg instants from the backup to the destination |
| 13:30.56 | DustyBin | keeping the same path locations |
| 13:30.58 | jetscreamer | you mean like cp -R or cp -a ? |
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| 13:31.14 | jetscreamer | you could rename the original directory and just cp the backup over |
| 13:31.17 | DustyBin | jetscreamer: yes, that part would work: cp -R /mnt/backup/netlabels *.ogg |
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| 13:31.24 | cisco | hi poeple |
| 13:31.27 | polarbear | hi to all |
| 13:31.29 | polarbear | i want to install vlc 0.8.6c on a debian sarge. what i have to do? the apt-get build-dep vlc say to me that can't find dependency for vlc why? |
| 13:31.30 | jetscreamer | no idea though |
| 13:31.32 | jetscreamer | i suck |
| 13:31.35 | dpringat | Ronin, ok I'll try irssi |
| 13:31.38 | DustyBin | but how would i get those .oggs into the correct destination path on /mnt/audiostore/netlabels? |
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| 13:32.10 | jetscreamer | probably some regex thing |
| 13:32.15 | DustyBin | eeeek |
| 13:32.18 | FunctorSalad | jetscreamer: well, is the kde4 release really that experimental? |
| 13:32.20 | jetscreamer | i have no regex-fu |
| 13:32.34 | FunctorSalad | I thought they did a lot of testing already... |
| 13:32.37 | cisco | someone knows if there are people developing broadcom wireless drivers? |
| 13:32.59 | jetscreamer | FunctorSalad: so i've heard, it's just making it's way into debian.. i think it's more the debian package than actually kde4 that is your problem atm |
| 13:33.28 | cahoot | cisco: like b43? |
| 13:33.42 | cisco | or if there is a way to install a broadcom 4328 without ndiswrapper? |
| 13:34.03 | cisco | cahoot, yes bcm 4328 |
| 13:34.07 | cahoot | tried bcm43xx already? |
| 13:34.16 | cisco | no |
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| 13:35.20 | guhuawei | you should try it |
| 13:35.38 | guhuawei | maybe it will work |
| 13:35.44 | cisco | cahoot, debian have a package of that or the kernel have one module? |
| 13:36.09 | polarbear | vlc 0.8.6c on debian sarge everybody can help |
| 13:36.19 | guhuawei | one module |
| 13:36.20 | cisco | guhuawei, i will try |
| 13:36.25 | guhuawei | ok |
| 13:36.28 | guhuawei | hehe |
| 13:36.32 | Kano | polarbear: you might be able to compile mplayer, but forget vlc |
| 13:36.33 | sam__ | i tried bcm43xx and it does not work with my card. (it may with yours) could anone help with ndiswrapper please? http://pastebin.ca/852002 |
| 13:36.53 | cahoot | cisco: bcm 4328 seems not supported even by the latest driver (b43) |
| 13:37.03 | dpringat | Ronin, the URL you (well, dpkg) gave makes me think that I don't understand the freezing process and the creation of a new testing. I thought that at the beginning the testing was a copy of the new stable, so I expected that if bitchx was in sarge it would be directly in lenny... any clue? |
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| 13:37.36 | cisco | cahoot, thats a real bad thing |
| 13:37.38 | dpringat | cahoot how do you get b43 in debian? |
| 13:37.55 | polarbear | everybody can help |
| 13:38.00 | polarbear | other have do this |
| 13:38.05 | cahoot | dpringat: I use a 2.6.24 kernel |
| 13:38.20 | dpringat | cahoot, from sid? |
| 13:38.40 | cahoot | dpringat: homemade |
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| 13:39.11 | cisco | cahoot, do you think bcm4328 will be supported in the future? |
| 13:39.25 | cahoot | cisco: no clue |
| 13:39.36 | DustyBin | how would one copy only the missing files from a dir+subdirs into another dir+subdirs keeping the same paths ? |
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| 13:40.11 | dpringat | cahoot: uff sorry, i forgot that 2.6.24 is not in sid yet... |
| 13:40.50 | Kano | dpringat: debian kernel build server |
| 13:41.05 | cahoot | dpringat: http://www.itp.tuwien.ac.at/~mattems/blog/ |
| 13:41.17 | cisco | cahoot, i think that i will write the driver |
| 13:41.30 | cisco | hehehe |
| 13:41.35 | cahoot | that's the spirit |
| 13:42.44 | jetscreamer | DustyBin: the really smart ones are probably still asleep... :) (it's an easy answer, i 'almost' remember it) |
| 13:43.10 | jetscreamer | DustyBin: you might ask in #bash also... regex-fu |
| 13:43.12 | dpringat | Kano & cahoot, ;) |
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| 13:43.36 | cisco | cahoot, wireless its the only thing that don't work with linux in my macbook |
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| 13:44.18 | cahoot | cisco: I'm a lucky user of a T61 and intel |
| 13:44.44 | jetscreamer | i like my t20 even though it's old |
| 13:44.46 | LeventersoY | þiþko |
| 13:44.46 | cahoot | cisco: the braodcom is on a HP system that barely boots |
| 13:45.04 | LeventersoY | turkish meaning is fat |
| 13:45.08 | LeventersoY | cisco |
| 13:45.21 | jetscreamer | cisco means fat in turkish? |
| 13:45.29 | LeventersoY | yep :) |
| 13:45.33 | jetscreamer | heh' |
| 13:45.41 | cahoot | turkey means bird in english? |
| 13:45.47 | LeventersoY | kush |
| 13:45.52 | jetscreamer | fat bird :) |
| 13:45.59 | LeventersoY | yes |
| 13:46.01 | LeventersoY | ehe |
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| 13:46.34 | LeventersoY | fat turkey |
| 13:46.36 | LeventersoY | cisco turkey |
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| 13:47.11 | cisco | cahoot, nice i want to buy an IBM X61 |
| 13:47.50 | cisco | LeventersoY, what? |
| 13:48.00 | badcfe | i have a question about the patch utility, may i ask in this group? |
| 13:48.24 | dpringat | any tool to admin (install not required) several debian machines at the same time (I knew about a project based on client-server structure to do that but I can't remember its name)? |
| 13:48.41 | cahoot | fai? |
| 13:49.00 | cahoot | meh - disregard |
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| 13:49.15 | dpringat | cahoot, I knew fai, but is not that one... |
| 13:49.17 | dpringat | hmm... |
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| 13:50.19 | badcfe | what patch command is perfectly symetrical to diff -u on a couple of file? i get a problem just doing patch <unified_diff_file |
| 13:50.26 | badcfe | heres the output : http://pastebin.ca/852009 |
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| 13:52.55 | DustyBin | how does one copy ONLY the missing files with rsync? |
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| 13:53.19 | DustyBin | both locations have the same dirtree |
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| 13:54.20 | Kano | cahoot: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
| 13:54.25 | Kano | use trunk for 2.6.24 |
| 13:54.34 | GeorgeGibson78 | hello! I have Debian Etch Stable . Can i install this package : live-helper (package available in Debian sid and lenny) without troubles ? |
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| 13:54.58 | jetscreamer | !tell GeorgeGibson78 -about backports |
| 13:55.06 | jetscreamer | !tell GeorgeGibson78 -about simple sid backport |
| 13:55.40 | GeorgeGibson78 | jetscreamer, Thanx ;) |
| 13:55.50 | Kano | GeorgeGibson78: that package alone is not enough |
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| 13:56.15 | jetscreamer | you're not the kano i know though eh |
| 13:56.24 | jetscreamer | as in kanotix |
| 13:56.44 | GeorgeGibson78 | I bet he is :D |
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| 13:57.12 | zealo | valdyn: hi , are you there ? |
| 13:57.18 | GeorgeGibson78 | I´ll get the hang of it ;) see yall later :(k) |
| 13:57.19 | gg | George Bush could be in this channel |
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| 13:57.29 | dpringat | Kano: better your URL than cahoot's? |
| 13:57.41 | dpringat | Kano: regarding kernel .24 |
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| 13:57.57 | zealo | valdyn: seen my words ? |
| 13:58.09 | jetscreamer | !seen valdyn |
| 13:58.09 | dpkg | valdyn is currently on #debian (5m 17s), last said: 'Rapp: i only know transcode'. |
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| 13:58.52 | jetscreamer | he's obviously in another country |
| 13:58.53 | zealo | valdyn: what means he is here or not ? |
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| 13:59.00 | zealo | s/what/that |
| 13:59.28 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 13:59.29 | zealo | jetscreamer: another country ? |
| 13:59.37 | jetscreamer | yes he caught a jet |
| 13:59.49 | jetscreamer | (nm) |
| 13:59.51 | zealo | jetscreamer: :O |
| 14:00.04 | jetscreamer | it means he typed something 5m 17s ago |
| 14:00.05 | sam__ | i know it's boring but does this look like the wireless card should be working? http://www.pastebin.ca/852014 It will still not get a lease. (there is dhcp wireless here I tested it moments ago on another system) |
| 14:00.29 | zealo | jetscreamer: oh,maybe he's left |
| 14:00.48 | jetscreamer | zealo: maybe he got hungry |
| 14:01.04 | jetscreamer | or had to ... (fill_in_blank) |
| 14:01.18 | Kano | dpringat: i compile modified ubuntu kernels, my current one has even CONFIG_IDE not set at all, but the debian kernel use a completely different config, extra legacy mode i would call that |
| 14:01.23 | zealo | jetscreamer: oh, oooh |
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| 14:01.51 | jetscreamer | maybe he fell asleep at his desk |
| 14:02.12 | zealo | jetscreamer: maybe he is in arm of his wife :) |
| 14:02.20 | zealo | s/arm/arms |
| 14:02.20 | jetscreamer | maybe bill gates and linus came over... |
| 14:02.36 | zealo | jetscreamer: maybe you are a nut :P |
| 14:02.40 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 14:02.51 | jetscreamer | that's been established previously |
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| 14:03.14 | jetscreamer | that would be one hell of a party though |
| 14:03.18 | jetscreamer | i'd like to see it |
| 14:03.22 | zealo | !love jetscreamer |
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| 14:03.30 | jetscreamer | rms et al |
| 14:03.41 | jetscreamer | h? |
| 14:03.45 | jetscreamer | !rms |
| 14:03.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, rms is Richard M. Stallman |
| 14:03.49 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 14:03.51 | jetscreamer | m |
| 14:04.12 | DustyBin | Bill Gates is in this channel already, he likes to keep on eye on whats happening with linux |
| 14:04.19 | zealo | jetscreamer: :) will we be kicked out because of abusing the bot ? |
| 14:04.47 | rubymonk | Heh, rms |
| 14:04.52 | rubymonk | this guy is an idiot |
| 14:04.59 | jetscreamer | not usually, a, it's slow atm, b, it's not abuse yet, c,nobody has complained yet |
| 14:05.03 | zealo | DustyBin: Bill gave up his company recently, terrified by Linux |
| 14:05.14 | martian67 | rubymonk, he is more or less responsible for the entire free software movement |
| 14:05.17 | rubymonk | Got real fed with him lately in his thread at misc@openbsd.org |
| 14:05.19 | martian67 | show some respect |
| 14:05.40 | rubymonk | martian67, Sorry, he killed my respect for him |
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| 14:06.09 | zealo | rubymonk: martian67: ,WoW, calm down, no wars, |
| 14:06.20 | FabioBR | Hi, im having a problem with nvidia driver. I installed debian lenny and when i run nvidia installer X starts perfectly. But when I reboot the X doesnt start. |
| 14:06.22 | martian67 | who is warring |
| 14:06.25 | FabioBR | If i run again the nvidia installer, the X starts! |
| 14:06.27 | DustyBin | what has Ian Murdock done at Sun ? does he work on Solaris ? |
| 14:06.28 | jetscreamer | i think they are joking |
| 14:06.32 | FabioBR | In dmesg I have the line above when X fails: |
| 14:06.34 | jetscreamer | FabioBR: run it with this |
| 14:06.40 | FabioBR | Xorg[3309]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 00002ae7ff875755 rsp 00007fffab2436a8 error 4 |
| 14:06.43 | rubymonk | zealo, No war to be done, I don't like that rms guy, it's my opinion, martian67 recalled me the good he did and I answered... |
| 14:06.46 | rubymonk | no war here |
| 14:06.50 | jetscreamer | hang on |
| 14:06.50 | martian67 | FabioBR, nvidia driver bug |
| 14:07.00 | zealo | rubymonk: hmm, that's good :) |
| 14:07.01 | FabioBR | martian67, What can i do then? |
| 14:07.02 | martian67 | its not open source, nothing we can do to help you |
| 14:07.08 | martian67 | try asking nvidia |
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| 14:07.20 | jetscreamer | take the debian packages out first eh |
| 14:07.34 | jetscreamer | sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.07-pkg0.run -anN --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
| 14:07.35 | FabioBR | martian67, But its strange, i dont think the problem is at nvidia! |
| 14:07.43 | martian67 | FabioBR, why? |
| 14:07.48 | FabioBR | jetscreamer, Ill try! |
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| 14:08.00 | jetscreamer | apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev |
| 14:08.01 | FabioBR | martian67, Because the Xorg gets a segmentation fault |
| 14:08.02 | jetscreamer | first |
| 14:08.12 | FabioBR | jetscreamer, Ok...!!! |
| 14:08.32 | jetscreamer | if you compiled your kernel yourself take the --kernel-include-path directive out |
| 14:08.52 | zealo | FabioBR: try the driver of "nv" first, if it does not crash, then ..... |
| 14:09.08 | FabioBR | zealo, the only driver that works is nvidia... |
| 14:09.15 | jetscreamer | same binary blob in the .run and the debian packages isn't it? (no idea) |
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| 14:09.39 | kLinGo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.44 | roci | does somebody know where is source code for commnad date? |
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| 14:09.48 | wols_ | jetscreamer: yes |
| 14:10.08 | zealo | FabioBR: "nv" will give you X, no real 3D though |
| 14:10.11 | acc_ | #Debian: I'm building a kernel module from source, and it wants to install into /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/extra. depmod is run, but modprobe says it's not found. What should my next move be? |
| 14:10.20 | FabioBR | zealo, with nv the X doesnt start too |
| 14:10.36 | wols_ | FabioBR: what nvidia card? |
| 14:10.43 | FabioBR | geforce 8600 |
| 14:10.55 | wols_ | then use the sid drivers |
| 14:11.06 | jetscreamer | FabioBR: note that if you use the nvidia-installer, you must reinstall after xorg gets updated |
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| 14:11.08 | glontu | hello |
| 14:11.09 | FabioBR | wols_, ok... ill try |
| 14:11.10 | jetscreamer | or what wols_ said |
| 14:11.20 | jetscreamer | both should work |
| 14:11.21 | FabioBR | jetscreamer, ok ;-) |
| 14:11.24 | glontu | what do i need to install in order to get the ghostscript binary ? |
| 14:11.34 | zealo | FabioBR: paste the whole logs including the dmesg and X's error log |
| 14:11.38 | wols_ | !tell glontu about search |
| 14:11.42 | FabioBR | well guys, ill try, later ill come back! |
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| 14:11.54 | wols_ | acc_: how do you compile and what? |
| 14:11.58 | FabioBR | zealo, this is the only line in dmesg: |
| 14:11.58 | FabioBR | Xorg[3309]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 00002ae7ff875755 rsp 00007fffab2436a8 error 4 |
| 14:12.06 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search ghostscript |
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| 14:12.20 | zealo | FabioBR: kernel bug ? |
| 14:12.21 | jetscreamer | a segfault is like not what i would expect |
| 14:12.27 | jetscreamer | from a bad driver |
| 14:12.34 | zealo | jetscreamer: yep |
| 14:12.37 | jetscreamer | s/bad/incorrect/ |
| 14:12.40 | acc_ | wols_: sudo aptitude install omnibook-source; cd /usr/src/modules/omnibook; sudo make all install |
| 14:12.42 | zealo | jetscreamer: bug in kernel space |
| 14:12.58 | wols_ | acc_: that's bad. use module-assistant |
| 14:13.08 | wols_ | !tell acc_ about m-a |
| 14:13.11 | acc_ | wols_: Okay, how to clean up? |
| 14:13.16 | wols_ | it's what the -source packages made for |
| 14:13.38 | wols_ | purge the omnibook-source package |
| 14:13.57 | wols_ | !tell acc_ about m-a |
| 14:14.31 | acc_ | wols_: Thanks |
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| 14:15.43 | acc_ | wols_: Should I purge the source package before running m-a prepare? |
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| 14:15.59 | wols_ | I just told you |
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| 14:17.11 | acc_ | wols_: Ah, okay, thanks again. |
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| 14:24.35 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 14:24.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 14:25.21 | acc_ | wols_: modprobe loaded it! Thanks a bunch! |
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| 14:29.03 | S4nD3r | hi there !! |
| 14:29.17 | gigo | is this channel logged somewhere so that I can check? |
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| 14:29.57 | azeem | gigo: check what? |
| 14:29.59 | S4nD3r | Im using lenny, autologin, and, autorun amsn and amule, but... they dont go to trayicon? How to setup it? |
| 14:30.18 | S4nD3r | If I close them, and run again, they go to trayicon normally! |
| 14:30.26 | gigo | azeem: yesterday's messages. |
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| 14:31.05 | S4nD3r | I think this is in gconf-editor |
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| 14:33.07 | wols_ | gigo: not logged |
| 14:33.23 | gigo | ok |
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| 14:35.01 | jetscreamer | some ppl have logs, but no official logging |
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| 14:37.22 | ben_goodger | hello |
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| 14:37.54 | ben_goodger | can someone give some help with ALSA? I got a sound blaster for christmas, and have not succeeded in getting any sound out of it (lenny, amd64) |
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| 14:39.03 | mythomaniac | ben_goodger: have you tried running alsaconf as root? |
| 14:39.09 | S4nD3r | How to do my pendrive autopen when connected? |
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| 14:39.16 | sobersabre | hi |
| 14:39.23 | S4nD3r | Its setup in gnome-volume-manager |
| 14:39.23 | sobersabre | I have a flac stream with errors. |
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| 14:39.35 | sobersabre | VLC plays it, but I want to convert it into mp3 |
| 14:40.11 | sobersabre | is there a way to fix CRC errors? |
| 14:40.17 | ben_goodger | S4nD3r: are you on lenny? |
| 14:40.26 | S4nD3r | Sure ! |
| 14:40.31 | S4nD3r | I discovered now |
| 14:40.38 | S4nD3r | theres no gnome-volume-manager anymore |
| 14:40.44 | S4nD3r | just gnome-volume-properties |
| 14:40.44 | jetscreamer | holy shit |
| 14:40.46 | jetscreamer | http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=437458 |
| 14:40.56 | ben_goodger | it doesn't work for some reason. the device is created, but not mounted or presented to anything in GNOME |
| 14:41.25 | S4nD3r | when I run gnome-volume-properties, automatically is mounted and autoopen |
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| 14:41.31 | S4nD3r | I right come back |
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| 14:42.53 | mythomaniac | jetscreamer: that dude is under 18, as by the picture provided of him, who ever is doing that is going to get massively fucked by the police if caught |
| 14:43.02 | Micha_Btz | hi, knows anyone how to figure out which version my usb port is? because the dvb-t driver means that my port only 1.1 support and will therfore not work. |
| 14:43.46 | thepretender84 | for some reason, my laptop's keyboard will stop working after a couple of hours of use |
| 14:44.12 | thepretender84 | if I have a shell open, it acts like a key it stick...repeating the same letter over and over |
| 14:44.20 | thepretender84 | my touchpad mouse will continue to work, however... |
| 14:44.26 | ben_goodger | mythomaniac: "sound configuration with this script is not needed if you are running lenny/sid with an up to date kernel and your sound device is a supported PCI one. in that case udev is predestinated to load your driver" - continuing anyway |
| 14:44.29 | thepretender84 | anyone have an idea what is heppening? |
| 14:45.21 | ben_goodger | gnome's audio preferences applet is aware of the card, as are VLC, rhythmbox and gnome volume control |
| 14:45.26 | ben_goodger | it just doesn't output anything... |
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| 14:45.41 | ben_goodger | brb |
| 14:46.10 | biz | using GNU screen i often encounter the problem of a missing terminal after an 'su'. this sounds logical, so the temp. fix is to +rw the /dev/pts/* of the user before doing 'su'. is there a nice way around this? ssh can create a terminal with -t, but can 'su' in any way? |
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| 14:46.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: works for you in firefox? http://io.debian.net/bsp |
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| 14:46.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: no FF here |
| 14:47.16 | biz | tarzeau: how often is it updated? |
| 14:47.36 | tarzeau | biz: reload, like 18 times/second? |
| 14:47.48 | tarzeau | for some reason i'm not sure if it's a bug in motion or firefox |
| 14:47.52 | biz | at least it keeps loading... but no reload |
| 14:47.54 | tarzeau | you have to reload a few time until it streams it |
| 14:48.17 | ben_goodger | mythomaniac: no change by running alsaconf and logging out/in |
| 14:48.28 | biz | tarzeau: indeed. after a reload it streems it |
| 14:48.37 | tarzeau | biz: can you figure where the bug is? |
| 14:49.14 | mythomaniac | ben_goodger: you should restart the system, for it should have rebuilt the modules - other then that man i cannot help ya ;( |
| 14:49.23 | ben_goodger | ok then |
| 14:49.24 | ben_goodger | thanks |
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| 14:49.47 | Acxty | hi, does someone know of an application that allow me to modify a pdf file? |
| 14:50.36 | biz | tarzeau: no, not really. sorry |
| 14:50.53 | tarzeau | biz: i'll keep trying out latest versions of motion i guess |
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| 14:52.02 | elmo10 | simonrvn: it is your typical 2-button mouse with scroll wheel that is the third-button. |
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| 14:58.20 | jetscreamer | after i hit refresh the time on the pic started incrementing on it's own tarzeau |
| 14:58.31 | jetscreamer | what he said nm |
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| 14:59.50 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: ok thanks |
| 15:00.01 | valdyn | Acxty: pdf is not meant to be edited, what and why are you trying to do? |
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| 15:00.34 | Kano | valdyn: form fields |
| 15:00.45 | Kano | work with acroread |
| 15:01.01 | valdyn | Kano: that is what he asked? |
| 15:01.39 | elmo10 | valdyn: yes they are meant to be edited... Portable Document Format. Meaning they can be read/writen on any machine. |
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| 15:02.18 | Acxty | I have a document that was exported to a pdf, the document got lost and I want to make some changes to the file |
| 15:02.32 | RedNode | how do i breing up the xorg configuration menu? |
| 15:02.42 | valdyn | elmo10: nonsense |
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| 15:03.00 | valdyn | elmo10: you understand that totally wrong |
| 15:03.02 | elmo10 | !pdfedit |
| 15:03.13 | elmo10 | dpkg: pdfedit |
| 15:03.15 | valdyn | elmo10: but it _can_ be edited, jsut not nicely |
| 15:03.29 | elmo10 | hrmm... why doesnt dpkg respond to me? |
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| 15:03.32 | RedNode | how do i breing up the xorg configuration menu? |
| 15:03.36 | valdyn | !test |
| 15:03.36 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 15:03.43 | valdyn | elmo10: there's no such factoid? |
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| 15:04.07 | elmo10 | pdfedit - Editor for manipulating PDF documents |
| 15:04.19 | abrotman | !drxx RedNode |
| 15:04.19 | dpkg | RedNode: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 15:04.20 | valdyn | !info pdfedit |
| 15:04.27 | Kano | Acxty: adobe destiller |
| 15:05.12 | valdyn | dpkg is slow obviously, it will bring an answer |
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| 15:05.46 | abrotman | valdyn: i thought it was just me :) |
| 15:06.22 | dpkg | pdfedit: (Editor for manipulating PDF documents), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.3.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 2714 kB, Installed size: 7596 kB |
| 15:06.31 | Acxty | Kano, does it works in linux? |
| 15:06.39 | Kano | dont know, try wine |
| 15:07.03 | elmo10 | you could always try Adobe Acrobat Pro! That will edit PDF documents. |
| 15:07.18 | elmo10 | but a win32 emulator is required |
| 15:07.20 | abrotman | !pdftk |
| 15:07.21 | dpkg | pdftk is a nifty package which you can use to edit, merge, split, and otherwise munge pdf files. Ask me about <fill pdf forms> to learn how to fill out a pdf form. |
| 15:07.35 | limpio | hi, i tried: $ modprobe xxxxx - it gave this error: modprobe: command not found, i tried installing modprobe, no dice, what do i have to install? |
| 15:07.48 | valdyn | limpio: run as root, its in /sbin/ |
| 15:08.14 | limpio | valdyn: brb |
| 15:08.21 | valdyn | !brb |
| 15:08.21 | dpkg | valdyn: brb, too. Be Right Back |
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| 15:09.08 | limpio | valdyn: thx |
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| 15:11.43 | jetscreamer | or supply the path |
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| 15:13.51 | jetscreamer | watching the movie i'm encoding adds 100 minutes to the estimated encoding time |
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| 15:14.06 | jetscreamer | only 340minutes to go |
| 15:14.25 | valdyn | hd movies take me days |
| 15:14.35 | valdyn | ( or this box ) |
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| 15:23.45 | S4nD3r | How to know which are the failed services in my lenny box?? When boots, some services fails... |
| 15:23.59 | jetscreamer | dmesg perhaps |
| 15:24.03 | jetscreamer | !dmesg |
| 15:24.03 | dpkg | hmm... dmesg is print or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents. |
| 15:24.35 | elmo10 | any way to add the time to dmesg? |
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| 15:24.58 | S4nD3r | dmesg do not shows about services |
| 15:25.15 | Nyle | you're up early |
| 15:25.25 | Nyle | Good morning people of the debian |
| 15:25.26 | jetscreamer | i fell asleep early |
| 15:25.39 | jetscreamer | woke up hours ago |
| 15:25.46 | Nyle | ahh word |
| 15:25.48 | wols_ | S4nD3r: syslog |
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| 15:26.15 | Nyle | i got my new irssi theme and it looks crisp |
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| 15:26.56 | S4nD3r | I dont think so |
| 15:27.03 | jetscreamer | dpkg, nyeet is <reply> Nyle, did you eat lately? did you drink some water? did you take your vitamins? |
| 15:27.04 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 15:27.14 | jetscreamer | !lock nyeet |
| 15:27.14 | Nyle | oh |
| 15:27.21 | Nyle | jetscreamer: dude! thank you so much |
| 15:27.26 | Nyle | for reminding me |
| 15:28.02 | jetscreamer | grate |
| 15:28.07 | Nyle | no |
| 15:28.10 | Nyle | greatful |
| 15:28.19 | jetscreamer | no, i am full of greatness |
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| 15:28.23 | Nyle | I'm full of greatness, has nothing to dow ith you |
| 15:28.24 | Nyle | lol |
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| 15:29.01 | jetscreamer | oh btw don't get me wrong i've loved yngwie ever since his first album or so |
| 15:29.31 | cisko | how do i see if my LPT port works? |
| 15:30.55 | Nyle | hook something up to it? |
| 15:30.55 | Nyle | jetscreamer: word |
| 15:30.55 | cisko | i hooked |
| 15:30.55 | cisko | can i now change the datapin values? |
| 15:30.55 | cisko | that are they on on off |
| 15:30.55 | cisko | their state |
| 15:30.55 | Nyle | you hooked? I don't know. |
| 15:31.15 | Nyle | cisko: also try asking in ##hardware, not sure if your question belongs there... |
| 15:31.32 | cisko | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.40 | Nyle | or here |
| 15:31.44 | Nyle | i dunno man |
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| 15:33.32 | jetscreamer | it's parport_pc i think |
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| 15:34.13 | jetscreamer | /sys/module/parport_pc might tell you something |
| 15:34.18 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 15:35.45 | naya | What make the sound quite discontinuous, while palying music etc. |
| 15:36.12 | naya | I ran speaker-test but, it stops and then makes the sound |
| 15:36.12 | Nyle | hehe |
| 15:36.14 | Nyle | great movie |
| 15:36.25 | elmo10 | Nyle: what does your theme look like? |
| 15:36.33 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 15:36.35 | Nyle | I could show you |
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| 15:36.54 | jetscreamer | Nyle: kinda reminds me of me |
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| 15:39.38 | Nyle | comin soon |
| 15:39.42 | elmo10 | i use this theme http://irssi.org/themefiles/n.png |
| 15:40.35 | elmo10 | no, wait... i use this one ;) http://irssi.org/themefiles/furry.png |
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| 15:41.20 | jetscreamer | i didn't know irssi had themes |
| 15:41.38 | timonator | irssi has everything |
| 15:41.46 | timonator | it's not called "worlds best irc client" for nothing |
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| 15:42.42 | neotic | who calles it that? |
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| 15:42.59 | jetscreamer | don't get on irc much eh |
| 15:43.06 | timonator | i do, lol. |
| 15:43.10 | liable | hmm, i have a furry link thats possibly not nice, but i might have to post it anyway |
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| 15:43.57 | liable | is there ops about? |
| 15:44.12 | stew | liable: hi |
| 15:44.12 | jetscreamer | i thought you were in the ops list |
| 15:44.13 | liable | http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7686/patheticvg9.jpg |
| 15:44.16 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 15:44.37 | liable | stew: damn you should have said hi 2 seconds earlier! |
| 15:44.44 | stew | hi |
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| 15:44.59 | timonator | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200801/error'd/NoFall.jpg |
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| 15:45.31 | Sirgado | does anybody know how can I install KDE 4.0 from unstable+experimental and wich packages I must install? |
| 15:45.44 | stew | Sirgado: we don't support experimental |
| 15:45.54 | jetscreamer | i know someone earlier was complaining that it wouldn't install due to missing package |
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| 15:46.11 | jetscreamer | so probably your option is to compile it yourself |
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| 15:46.25 | jetscreamer | !wb Nyle |
| 15:46.26 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Nyle has returned! |
| 15:46.33 | preston | ive just installed debian and to finish setting up repos the only thing i can do is add contrib and non-free if i decide to correct |
| 15:46.38 | Nyle | man |
| 15:46.43 | Nyle | my fucking moronic stupid roommate pulled the router out |
| 15:46.43 | Sirgado | someone told me he installed it witrhout problem using unstable+experimental |
| 15:46.53 | Nyle | fucking pisses me off man |
| 15:46.56 | Sirgado | he may be wrong |
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| 15:47.02 | Sirgado | he may be wrong |
| 15:47.08 | liable | Nyle: beat him up |
| 15:47.12 | Nyle | eh |
| 15:47.12 | xand | Sirgado: that's nice... but we don't want to help you fuck things up ;) |
| 15:47.13 | Nyle | anyway |
| 15:47.30 | jetscreamer | he may be right ... you could ask 'him' :) |
| 15:47.32 | Nyle | http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?7dee4cb24d.jpg <-- my irssi theme |
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| 15:47.43 | liable | Nyle: dont just bitch. do something |
| 15:47.54 | Sirgado | don't worry, I know how to avoid fucking up things, thanks |
| 15:47.54 | xand | Nyle: you appear to be using... Windows! |
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| 15:47.59 | Nyle | that is correct |
| 15:48.00 | teekay_ | hello |
| 15:48.06 | Nyle | Windows XP Pro X64 |
| 15:48.09 | Nyle | its amazing |
| 15:48.22 | xand | debian amd64 is much better |
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| 15:49.06 | Nyle | xand: when you figure out how to run oblivion with exe/hacks mods, script extensions in linux, let me know. Till then, have fun shaking that head. |
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| 15:49.08 | xand | Nyle: and as for that putty font... |
| 15:49.09 | preston | to add non-free and contrib to your repos you just sdd that to your sections list correct? |
| 15:49.31 | jetscreamer | jsut add the words contrib non-free after the word main |
| 15:49.31 | Baikonur | that's one ugly-ass irssi theme |
| 15:49.41 | xand | preston: add them after "main" |
| 15:49.42 | liable | Nyle: thats cool, but dont talk to us while you are using windows |
| 15:49.43 | jetscreamer | at the end of the line |
| 15:49.57 | Nyle | why do you people pretend that I only have one computer? |
| 15:50.11 | preston | and thats it for possible debian official repos correct |
| 15:50.15 | Nyle | I have 4 other etch boxes, and a sid laptop sitting here. |
| 15:50.22 | xand | Nyle: fun :) |
| 15:50.27 | Nyle | don't be so closeminded |
| 15:50.30 | jetscreamer | preston: marillat's is close enough to official |
| 15:50.35 | xand | preston: yes |
| 15:50.38 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 15:50.38 | dpkg | from memory, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 15:50.45 | liable | Nyle: because you dont really ever seem to do debian stuff, but just talk about music or shit |
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| 15:50.58 | Nyle | yes I do |
| 15:51.06 | liable | or smoking weed or music |
| 15:51.28 | preston | thanks xand and jetscreamer |
| 15:51.30 | Nyle | I talk a lot, about various things, debian support is usually half the time |
| 15:52.01 | hoxu | Nyle, you should consider #debian-offtopic |
| 15:52.02 | jetscreamer | windows makes me money... linux doesn't break |
| 15:52.09 | xand | haha |
| 15:52.12 | xand | that's true. |
| 15:52.21 | Nyle | hoxu: no I shouldn't. |
| 15:52.56 | jelly-home | linux makes me money, but windows fills in the shared xls file ;-) |
| 15:53.46 | Nyle | 10:48 < liable> Nyle: thats cool, but dont talk to us while you are using windows |
| 15:53.53 | Nyle | I can't get over this |
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| 15:54.03 | Nyle | whtever respect I had for you dude, its just gone |
| 15:54.11 | liable | i am sure you'll get over it |
| 15:54.29 | eth01 | respect is the exact reason why ##defocus was created |
| 15:54.40 | eth01 | or should i say, 'formed'. |
| 15:54.44 | elmo10 | Nyle: eww, red in a chat room. |
| 15:54.49 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 15:54.54 | Nyle | elmo10: I thought i'd try it for a change |
| 15:54.57 | Ace2016 | anyone here program in pascal? |
| 15:55.04 | liable | Nyle: if you think i are about whether you respect me, then you lose twice |
| 15:55.07 | Nyle | elmo10: easily changeable, its just the backgrond for the sb, %1 red |
| 15:55.08 | jetscreamer | take a valium |
| 15:55.14 | liable | s/are/care/ |
| 15:55.26 | Nyle | liable: its not about that. apparantly you compeltely missed the point. |
| 15:55.43 | liable | Nyle: it seems so |
| 15:55.45 | Ace2016 | can you integrate pascal and qt? |
| 15:55.51 | Nyle | pascal? |
| 15:55.51 | jetscreamer | /mute them |
| 15:57.05 | preston | are the nvidia drivers not in the repos |
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| 15:57.12 | jetscreamer | oh you didn't see this: http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=437458 |
| 15:57.18 | Nyle | testing? |
| 15:57.31 | Ace2016 | yea pascal |
| 15:57.31 | jetscreamer | preston: not in lenny |
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| 15:57.40 | Nyle | jetscreamer: maybe you should consider #debian-offtopic? all you ever do is talk about houston imports. |
| 15:57.53 | jetscreamer | Nyle: foad :P |
| 15:57.56 | Nyle | hehehe |
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| 15:58.30 | Ace2016 | never knew there was such a thing, someone please put that in the channel topic |
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| 15:58.42 | hoxu | Ace2016, it's offtopic |
| 15:58.44 | Nyle | !wayttd Ace2016 |
| 15:58.44 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Ace2016? |
| 15:58.48 | acc_ | #Debian: I'm trying to get my Lenny box to suspend to RAM, but when it does, it instantly resumes. How can I debug this? |
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| 15:59.38 | Ace2016 | i'll go to offtopic |
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| 16:00.29 | Nyle | cool |
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| 16:00.49 | Ace2016 | argh they told me to come here :( |
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| 16:01.21 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 16:01.25 | Nyle | hi |
| 16:01.28 | Ronin | Ace2016: wrong kind of offtopic there, and ot here |
| 16:01.32 | Acxty | why I cannot reproduce any mp3 files on debian, I try with totem and xmms |
| 16:01.42 | jetscreamer | reproduce? |
| 16:01.42 | Nyle | reproduce? |
| 16:01.46 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 16:01.47 | Nyle | you mean you want to play them? |
| 16:01.52 | jetscreamer | copy? |
| 16:02.02 | Acxty | yes, play |
| 16:02.10 | Nyle | if youw ant to play them using totem you need ffmpeg |
| 16:02.17 | Runderbin | hi |
| 16:02.18 | jetscreamer | don't you need a codec cuz mp3 is non-free? |
| 16:02.22 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 16:02.26 | Nyle | ffmpeg! |
| 16:02.27 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 16:02.30 | Nyle | listen to the Nyle |
| 16:02.34 | jetscreamer | it's been set up so long i dunno anymore |
| 16:03.23 | Nyle | apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg |
| 16:03.26 | Nyle | Acxty: ^^ |
| 16:03.39 | jelly-home | Acxty: xmms comes with mp3 reproduction by default... what's the _exact_ errr you get? |
| 16:03.56 | Acxty | nothing, it simply doesn't play the file |
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| 16:04.15 | Nyle | it plays but you get no sound? |
| 16:04.18 | jelly-home | Acxty: does it play anything else? |
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| 16:04.31 | jetscreamer | in an xterm try mplayer file.mp3 and read the output |
| 16:04.38 | jelly-home | Acxty: if you run it from a terminal, ds |
| 16:04.38 | Acxty | everything except mp3 |
| 16:04.43 | jelly-home | !win jetscreamer |
| 16:04.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, jetscreamer! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 16:05.03 | jetscreamer | you probably just need the non-free codec |
| 16:05.03 | Nyle | o god no |
| 16:05.09 | jelly-home | Acxty: dpkg -l libc6 xmms | tail -2 |
| 16:05.13 | jetscreamer | not sure though |
| 16:05.13 | liable | for mp3? |
| 16:05.29 | jetscreamer | i remember something about it... dimly |
| 16:05.39 | daniele_982 | hello all i'm try to install vmware in my debian sid but i've problem with vmmon i've apply also the patch vmware-any-any-update but nothing!!!!! |
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| 16:05.54 | jetscreamer | install evberything in marillatt's repo and it will work... |
| 16:05.56 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: debian's xmms did mp3 since like forever |
| 16:06.05 | daniele_982 | make[1]: *** [_module_/tmp/vmware-config10/vmmon-only] Error 2 |
| 16:06.05 | daniele_982 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.23-1-686' |
| 16:06.05 | daniele_982 | make: *** [vmmon.ko] Error 2 |
| 16:06.05 | daniele_982 | make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config10/vmmon-only' |
| 16:06.05 | daniele_982 | Unable to build the vmmon module. |
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| 16:06.16 | liable | mp3 works without anything in from non-free repos |
| 16:06.25 | jelly-home | caztly |
| 16:06.30 | jetscreamer | maybe they're drm'd? |
| 16:06.44 | jelly-home | maybe someone is not really using d |
| 16:07.00 | Nyle | hm |
| 16:07.03 | Nyle | just a thought |
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| 16:07.10 | Nyle | you DO have libmikmod installed alongside xmms |
| 16:07.15 | daniele_982 | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51663/ |
| 16:07.27 | Nyle | it does not play mp3 files without it, but its not int he package dependency last i looked |
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| 16:07.33 | Nyle | *2 years ago* or so |
| 16:07.47 | jelly-home | Nyle: wtf does mikmod have to do with mpeg 1 audio layer 3?? |
| 16:07.52 | Nyle | jelly-home: nothing |
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| 16:07.53 | liable | linmad0 is the shizzle |
| 16:08.06 | liable | libmad0 i should say |
| 16:08.09 | Nyle | jelly-home: just that until I install libmikmod xmms does not output sound AT ALL |
| 16:08.13 | Nyle | any codec |
| 16:08.28 | Nyle | well, that was the behavious when i used in on sarge |
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| 16:09.24 | glontu | has anyone got any ideea how to make ghostscript not show the GS> prompt after it runs a command ? |
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| 16:09.57 | glontu | i have this bash script that runs a command with gs and after everything is done i get the GS> command prompt witch stops my script |
| 16:10.15 | daniele_982 | no solve no vmware users here????? |
| 16:10.25 | jetscreamer | add a & ? (no idea) |
| 16:10.29 | beardy | !punctuation |
| 16:10.29 | Nyle | yes but sid iusn't reall su[ported |
| 16:10.46 | Nyle | really supported* |
| 16:10.49 | liable | !typosmite Nyle |
| 16:11.03 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:11.30 | Nyle | daniele_982: try #vmware? |
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| 16:12.02 | daniele_982 | Nyle: is a problem for debian architecture in rpm it's ok |
| 16:12.07 | jelly-home | glontu: close its stdin? |
| 16:12.22 | Nyle | daniele_982: you are trying to install it using an rpm? |
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| 16:12.33 | glontu | jelly-home : how do i do that ? |
| 16:12.38 | Nyle | a rpm* |
| 16:12.55 | daniele_982 | Nyle: yes in other distro |
| 16:13.10 | glontu | it has some options in the man page but i wasn't able to make it not request input anymore |
| 16:13.11 | jelly-home | glontu: gs [options < /dev/null (not exaclty closing the fd, but it usually works) |
| 16:13.17 | Nyle | man my vowels are all screwed up. I use an before anything that starts with AEIOU. like even stuff thats starts with f (eff) r (are) i dunno |
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| 16:13.40 | Nyle | daniele_982: what are you doing? |
| 16:13.45 | Nyle | daniele_982: you're using debian? |
| 16:13.52 | daniele_982 | Nyle: now yes |
| 16:13.55 | jelly-home | Nyle: you need a unit of grammar. |
| 16:14.10 | Nyle | jelly-home: I used to get straight As man, then I started smoking pot |
| 16:14.16 | Nyle | i forgot al grammar |
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| 16:14.36 | Nyle | daniele_982: and you want to install vmware on your debian box using RPM? |
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| 16:15.02 | Nyle | doesn't vmware have any .deb files? or maybe you can just install it using the binary installer they provide? |
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| 16:15.20 | Nyle | I think it would be much easier to do that then to mess with RPM |
| 16:16.06 | Nyle | daniele_982: have you tried virtual box? does that fit your needs or you do really need vmware? |
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| 16:16.24 | daniele_982 | Nyle: yes but i want try it |
| 16:17.15 | Nyle | well my man you'll have to figure something out cuz vmware is not familiar to me |
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| 16:19.21 | mne | hi guys. i want to try out compiz-fusion. some parts of it already seem to be in unstable ? (it seems like a lot is still missing.) has anyone successfully running compiz-fusion ? |
| 16:19.30 | Nyle | yes |
| 16:19.38 | Nyle | I love it on sid |
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| 16:19.55 | Nyle | you will find much better help regarding compiz-fusion in #compiz-fusion |
| 16:20.20 | mne | Nyle, how did you install it ? There is a debian repository at tuxfamily.org. However, i cannot install from it since i get unmet dependencies |
| 16:20.33 | Nyle | I built it |
| 16:20.38 | Nyle | git |
| 16:20.45 | Nyle | they have instructions in the website |
| 16:21.02 | mne | ah, ok, i guess that's not the way i want to go ;) |
| 16:21.08 | mne | thanks anyway. |
| 16:21.08 | Nyle | its the best way |
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| 16:21.28 | Nyle | but ask there, they may have 3rd party repos |
| 16:21.45 | Nyle | I know there is someone called "Shame" who has a debian repo for cf |
| 16:22.29 | mne | right, that's the repository i tried. (i get unmet dependencies). I'll have a look at #compiz-fusion then |
| 16:23.17 | hark | mne: what's the missing dependency it's complaining about? |
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| 16:25.09 | mne | hark, http://rafb.net/p/0Bz9gh28.html |
| 16:25.24 | preston | can i use the driver from unstable in lenny? |
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| 16:25.38 | preston | for my nvidia card that is |
| 16:25.50 | Nyle | yes |
| 16:26.02 | preston | how risky is that |
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| 16:26.11 | StarServ-712100 | ciao |
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| 16:26.21 | Nyle | its ok |
| 16:26.42 | bahadunn | anyone know why there is no linux-image-2.6.23-1-k7 package in sid? |
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| 16:26.48 | hark | mne: compiz-fusion-all is not a debian package |
| 16:26.54 | hark | bahadunn: k7 is no more |
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| 16:27.16 | Nyle | bahadunn: 3rdparty |
| 16:27.21 | mne | hark, that's from the debian-sid shame repository at tuxfamily.org i talked about |
| 16:27.22 | preston | ok gonna give it a shot then |
| 16:27.23 | jetscreamer | #apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.07-pkg0.run -anN --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
| 16:27.27 | SnYDer | hello |
| 16:27.39 | bahadunn | hark: what do you mean k7 is no more? |
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| 16:27.42 | Nyle | actually yes do what jelly-home sais |
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| 16:28.01 | jetscreamer | hey hark what is is now then |
| 16:28.05 | Nyle | !why is blah not in sid |
| 16:28.05 | dpkg | Nyle: what are you talking about? |
| 16:28.10 | hark | mne: compiz-fusion is already in sid, if you're asking about shame's repository, try #compiz-fusion or something |
| 16:28.11 | Nyle | argh |
| 16:28.15 | hark | !k7 |
| 16:28.15 | dpkg | well, k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. see <k7 dropped> |
| 16:28.17 | Nyle | whatever |
| 16:28.23 | hark | !k7 dropped |
| 16:28.23 | dpkg | k7 dropped is probably http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 16:28.28 | SnYDer | just after I joined this # I've got a priv msg "<CoNaN> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos" |
| 16:28.33 | jelly-home | bahadunn: right, k7 is no more.... didn't we have this conversation a few days ago |
| 16:28.38 | bahadunn | ah |
| 16:28.42 | SnYDer | could somebody ban that guy? |
| 16:28.45 | bahadunn | jelly-home: I dont think so |
| 16:28.49 | jetscreamer | !ops [10.28.47] <SnYDer> just after I joined this # I've got a priv msg "<CoNaN> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos" |
| 16:28.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jetscreamer complains about: [10.28.47] <SnYDer> just after I joined this # I've got a priv msg "<CoNaN> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos" |
| 16:28.51 | bahadunn | jelly-home: this is the first I have asked about it |
| 16:28.54 | mne | hark, if compiz fusion is already in sid i will use it. however, i just found compiz, but not compiz fusion there. also emerald is not included |
| 16:29.03 | jelly-home | bahadunn: could be some other b guy, thanks for the info |
| 16:29.15 | bahadunn | jelly-home: no problem |
| 16:29.19 | badcfe | is goto inside a macro alright, or is it a sin and somethign special should be used instead? |
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| 16:29.42 | badcfe | im noe longjmp'ing, its inside the scope of the macro .... |
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| 16:29.57 | hark | mne: that's compiz-fusion itself, but emerald is not there afaik |
| 16:30.30 | mne | hark. ok, i'll try it. maybe i can install emerald from some other repos then. thanks. |
| 16:30.43 | jetscreamer | !azeem++ |
| 16:31.13 | hark | !info compiz-fusion-gnome |
| 16:31.17 | jetscreamer | mne: iirc yeah there is such an unofficial repo |
| 16:31.23 | jetscreamer | !emerald |
| 16:31.36 | jetscreamer | oh well |
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| 16:31.47 | jetscreamer | oh yeah |
| 16:31.49 | jetscreamer | !beryl |
| 16:31.50 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of <Compiz>. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager) |
| 16:31.53 | hark | mne: maybe not |
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| 16:31.56 | mne | jetscreamer, i guess it's either in the beryl repos or in shames repos. tight ... |
| 16:32.12 | mne | beryl is what i'm using now |
| 16:32.37 | mne | however, it has some slight drawbacks which is the reason why i want to try out compiz-fusion ;) |
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| 16:34.00 | SnYDer | I have a problem with my xorg & compiz-fusion; I did a dist-upgrade and after that when I start compiz-fusion my xserver crashes (Caught signal 11. Server aborting); my versions: compiz - 1:0.6.99+git20071222-shame-2, xserver-xorg - 1:7.3+10; any ideas anybody? is this a known problem? |
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| 16:39.49 | hark | SnYDer: fglrx or nvidia? |
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| 16:40.50 | tuv | how can i white-list outgoing traffic by program? prefferably with a visual monitor such as firestarter |
| 16:40.56 | SnYDer | hark: nvidia |
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| 16:41.27 | SnYDer | hark: driver version: 169.07 |
| 16:41.32 | hark | SnYDer: if you upgraded your kernel as well, you'll have to recompile the kernel module |
| 16:42.36 | SnYDer | hark: but the driver itself works, window manager crashes only when I try to run compiz |
| 16:43.17 | SnYDer | and I'm not sure if my kernel was updated... |
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| 16:44.19 | SnYDer | but all the non-standard modules that I have work and they wouldn't if kernel would change |
| 16:44.33 | SnYDer | but I can try to recompile |
| 16:44.45 | SnYDer | be rigth back... |
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| 16:52.25 | hoxu | !turday |
| 16:52.26 | dpkg | You are in a room crowded with gleeful lunatics and frustrated long-bearded fellows. You can see the <saturday> factoid hanging on the wall and <sunday> is lurking right around the corner. There is no way out. |
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| 16:53.54 | cheetahj25 | how can i mount with cifs in debian ? |
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| 16:58.27 | SnYDer | hark: thanks, recompiling the nvidia driver helped :) |
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| 17:00.37 | hark | cheetahj25: man 8 mount.cifs |
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| 17:03.57 | mk|mobile | can anyone tell me how I stop assembling RAIDs on startup? |
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| 17:04.42 | mk|mobile | my machine is trying to assemble one which I stopped and removed before, now on startup it wants to assemble that drive and kinda gets trapped there |
| 17:04.45 | tuv | how can i restrict outgoing traffic by program? can linux do that? |
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| 17:05.02 | xand | tuv: not aware of anything that can do that |
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| 17:05.30 | xand | unless there's some kernel module or something, no idea |
| 17:06.04 | mk|mobile | tuv, theres only iptables, which allows you to block traffic by ports |
| 17:06.06 | elmo10 | turday, lol... |
| 17:07.08 | tuv | well torrent clients for example don't have specific ports. so i can't figure out how to white-list them and block other stuff |
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| 17:08.28 | elmo10 | they dont? last time i used one they did. |
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| 17:08.39 | elmo10 | rtorrent can use a specific port |
| 17:08.43 | elmo10 | utorrent too... |
| 17:09.02 | gtrig | has anyone setted up vmplayer? |
| 17:09.04 | tuv | elmo10, for outgoing traffic i meant |
| 17:09.14 | hoxu | tuv, describe the actual problem / what you are trying to achieve and someone may be able to help |
| 17:09.52 | pif1 | hi, I have a dell laptop with sid , and the external DVI port clones the screen by default, but Xv video output appears only on the internal panel. How do I transfer it to the external screen? |
| 17:10.15 | pif1 | video output in the external screen appear as a blue screen |
| 17:10.29 | pif1 | the chipset is ati (R300) |
| 17:10.31 | tuv | i want to restrict outgoing traffic and allow only what i know i need, e.g. web browsing, irc, imaps...etc. my problem is that port-based rules won't work with torrent clients as they connect to arbitrary ports |
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| 17:11.19 | tuv | unless i can spcify rules that allow connections based on the originating program rather than the destination port |
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| 17:13.12 | blubberdiblub | tuv: you could try the owner match module of iptables ... but afairc, the command name matching support is about to be phased out or has already been ... man iptables, anyways |
| 17:13.44 | tuv | blubberdiblub, phased out? isn't that a desired feature? |
| 17:14.32 | blubberdiblub | tuv: well, i don't know the background. probably there are good reasons for phasing that out. you might be able to set up a dedicated group or user id and use that to match, maybe |
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| 17:15.47 | tuv | blubberdiblub, that isn't reliable enough. a desktop program will be running as my user and connect without me explicitly allowing it to |
| 17:16.12 | blubberdiblub | tuv: have it run as a different user then |
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| 17:16.44 | tuv | blubberdiblub, if i can identify it i'd disable and wouldn't need a firewall in the first place |
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| 17:20.21 | tuv | how do isp's throttle torrent traffic then? |
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| 17:20.50 | blubberdiblub | by looking into the packet contents, i would guess |
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| 17:20.57 | abrotman | !info wondershaper etch |
| 17:21.03 | dpkg | wondershaper: (Easy to use traffic shaping script), section net, is extra. Version: 1.1a-4 (etch), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 17:21.08 | blubberdiblub | that's why encryption is so desired |
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| 17:21.35 | cmdKeen | Hi. I can change resolution with xrandr but I can't find a way to change the size of the desktop... is that possible? |
| 17:21.44 | tuv | blubberdiblub, it doesn't help though. encrypted connections are throttled as well |
| 17:21.48 | abrotman | depends on the desktop .. |
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| 17:22.38 | cmdKeen | I mean... how can I change the size of X virtual desktop without GUI crap? |
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| 17:22.51 | cmdKeen | on the fly of course |
| 17:23.15 | jelly-home | virtual or real? |
| 17:23.35 | blubberdiblub | tuv: well, then they also look for the standard ports, i guess. you know, i'm only guessing here. i'm not into how isps match torrent connections |
| 17:24.10 | Acxty | how can I access a network folder from the terminal |
| 17:24.11 | jelly-home | cmdKeen: xrandr does some resolution changing, and with the version of xorg in unstable it also does root window size changing I think |
| 17:24.12 | cmdKeen | jelly, virtual I guess... I simply want the resolution and the size of X desktop match:) |
| 17:25.18 | abrotman | Acxty: smbclient likely |
| 17:25.20 | cmdKeen | jelly-home, oh... thanks. |
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| 17:26.10 | jelly-home | cmdKeen: or edit the Modes lines in Section "Screen" in xorg.conf |
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| 17:28.08 | Luke1704 | Hello everybody |
| 17:28.10 | Acxty | seems it works like ftp |
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| 17:28.24 | Acxty | what I want to do is to browse and run commands from the bash |
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| 17:28.55 | oush | Hi |
| 17:28.57 | Luke1704 | I use Etch an an Asus F3JP notebook. Unfortunatly the microphone does not work. Does anyone know what to do? |
| 17:29.00 | oush | whats the cmd to restart the server? |
| 17:29.23 | dvs | oush: what server? |
| 17:29.31 | blubberdiblub | tuv: and you're only trying to match programs originating on the box you set up your filter i guess? (otherwise uid/gid/command matching couldn't work anyways). where's the problem in setting up a wrapper script that starts the torrent client via sudo as the dedicated user you set up? |
| 17:29.54 | Luke1704 | dvs: are you speaking to me? |
| 17:30.01 | Luke1704 | no |
| 17:30.02 | Luke1704 | sorry |
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| 17:31.25 | tuv | blubberdiblub, that could work i guess. creating a new user allowed to originate connections and sudo all allowed programs to run with that user, but i'm looking for a more natural way, at first at least |
| 17:31.48 | tuv | can't iptables identify connections by protocol: http, imaps, torrent, ftp, etc? |
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| 17:32.15 | jelly-home | tuv: in general, no. |
| 17:32.19 | blubberdiblub | tuv: protocol == port. if you mean looking into the packet contents, that's another story ... |
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| 17:32.51 | tuv | blubberdiblub, protocols can be run on non-standard ports, so yes i'm looking into contents |
| 17:33.27 | tuv | is there any other tool that does and can be used as a firewall? |
| 17:33.37 | blubberdiblub | tuv: iptables is not really designed to do that. at least not on its own. you might try looking for some user space programs. iptables can queue packets to user space |
| 17:33.38 | Luke1704 | I got disconnected for some seconds |
| 17:34.10 | Luke1704 | Does anyone have an idea? |
| 17:34.19 | tuv | i guess intrusion detection software might |
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| 17:35.21 | blubberdiblub | tuv: or maybe third party netfilter helper modules designed to handle torrent connections |
| 17:36.13 | jelly-home | "L7" |
| 17:36.27 | wols_ | tuv: check l7-fitler |
| 17:36.30 | wols_ | tuv: check l7-filter |
| 17:36.49 | jelly-home | l7-filter.sf.net, right |
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| 17:37.08 | Bushmills | can anyone recommend a decent lightweight editor, console or x, with reasonable version control integrated (subversion and/or rcs), other than vi/vim/derivates ? |
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| 17:37.32 | Bushmills | (lightweight would exclude emacs, for that matter) |
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| 17:37.40 | dvs | Bushmills: boo! |
| 17:38.03 | Bushmills | dvs: that's an editor, or your reaction to "no vi"? |
| 17:38.14 | dvs | my reaction to emacs! |
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| 17:38.24 | jelly-home | you overreact |
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| 17:38.30 | dvs | not! |
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| 17:38.43 | Bushmills | doesn't help me to hear of editor of which I know that they integrate version control |
| 17:38.52 | Bushmills | doesn't mean I am opposed to those |
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| 17:39.15 | Bushmills | jelly-home: me too. |
| 17:39.38 | Bushmills | that's why I look for what editors integrate support |
| 17:39.55 | jelly-home | Bushmills: lightweightness definitely excludes Eclipse ;-) |
| 17:40.02 | Bushmills | yes |
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| 17:40.17 | dvs | NetBeans? ;-) |
| 17:40.21 | DustyBin | anybody know how to install packages like 'ssh' in cygwin ? |
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| 17:40.47 | jelly-home | DustyBin: #cygwin does. start http://cygwin.com/setup.exe |
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| 17:40.55 | DustyBin | aye i got it installed |
| 17:40.58 | DustyBin | ok thanks |
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| 17:41.05 | ComradeP | DustyBin: package is called openssh-* |
| 17:41.47 | ComradeP | Bushmills: eclipse does this better than anything else I've seen... obviously emacs is a possibility too. ;) |
| 17:42.10 | Bushmills | hmm |
| 17:42.23 | Oins | can anyone help me with postfix, courier-imap and mysql? I have it configured like this: http://paste.debian.net/46731 if i send a mail to test@xzdomain.ath.cx the mail received but it's not stored in an imap folder formatation, maildrop saves all mails in the file 'Maildir'. What could be the problem? |
| 17:42.46 | Bushmills | maybe I should look at eclipse again. did so last time in ... 2001 ... since then I was a bit biased... was relatively unstable then, lol |
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| 17:43.13 | Peliask | Guys, Im having troubel removing the package wifi-radar |
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| 17:43.46 | Peliask | when I try to in synaptic, it sayd E: wifi-radar: subbprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 225 |
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| 17:44.05 | Julia24 | kd4 is already in debian? |
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| 17:44.19 | Peliask | anyone know how I can remove it?? |
| 17:44.34 | Bushmills | pellets_: it says more than that |
| 17:44.39 | Bushmills | error cause |
| 17:44.49 | Bushmills | above |
| 17:44.55 | Peliask | ...anyone? =/ |
| 17:44.57 | jelly-home | !info kde4 |
| 17:45.26 | Julia24 | !info kde4 |
| 17:45.37 | dvs | @info kde4 |
| 17:45.44 | Bushmills | s/pellets_/Peliask/ |
| 17:45.49 | Julia24 | @info kde4 |
| 17:45.52 | bkw- | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html |
| 17:45.55 | Peliask | Bushmills: what? |
| 17:45.55 | hark | in experimental |
| 17:46.21 | Bushmills | Peliask, it says more than that |
| 17:46.26 | Bushmills | error cause |
| 17:46.27 | Peliask | Bushmills: No, ti doesn't |
| 17:46.33 | Peliask | Bushmills: Just the one line. |
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| 17:46.44 | jelly-home | Julia24: suffice to say, it's not yet there. |
| 17:46.45 | Bushmills | try to remove it with dpkg, see more there |
| 17:47.03 | Julia24 | jelly, thks |
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| 17:47.27 | Peliask | Bushmills: how do I remove it with dpkg? |
| 17:47.34 | Bushmills | purge? -P |
| 17:47.39 | hark | Peliask: sid? |
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| 17:48.09 | Peliask | ok |
| 17:48.12 | Peliask | ill type it out |
| 17:48.52 | ComradeP | Peliask: http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
| 17:49.06 | Peliask | HOLD ON, it's on a seperate comp -.- |
| 17:49.30 | Bushmills | peliask: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1200160151.png |
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| 17:49.52 | hark | !btssmite Peliask |
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| 17:50.09 | Peliask | http://paste.debian.net/46733 |
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| 17:50.24 | Bushmills | oh that was question. I thought a failed paste/ |
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| 17:50.54 | Bushmills | Peliask: just read it, and it should say what is wrong |
| 17:51.12 | Peliask | Bushmills: That's ALL IT SAYS. |
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| 17:51.57 | Bushmills | Peliask: running sid entitles you to fix it, and submit a bug fix |
| 17:51.59 | picard_pwns_kirk | will Debian provide Intel wifi drivers OOTB? |
| 17:52.04 | tuv | wols_, thanks. l7-filter seems to be what i'm looking for. not sure though how practical it is |
| 17:52.27 | Peliask | Bushmills: Except it's stable |
| 17:52.32 | ComradeP | Peliask: can you start wifi-radar (/etc/init.d/wifi-radar start) |
| 17:53.02 | Peliask | ComradeP: yea |
| 17:53.07 | ComradeP | try now. |
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| 17:53.42 | Peliask | ComradeP: same error =[ |
| 17:54.05 | Peliask | ComradeP: But it went a bit further (to the 'this will also be removed) thing heh |
| 17:54.16 | ComradeP | paste again? |
| 17:54.22 | Peliask | http://paste.debian.net/46733 |
| 17:54.25 | Bushmills | Peliask, action "stop" failed |
| 17:54.44 | Peliask | Bushmills: Yea |
| 17:54.48 | Bushmills | kill it, remove pid and/or lock file if any |
| 17:54.57 | ComradeP | Bushmills: if stop fails, it's not running usually.. |
| 17:55.28 | Bushmills | then /etc/init.d/wiki-radar stop, for good measure |
| 17:55.35 | Bushmills | and try to deinstall again |
| 17:55.51 | ComradeP | Peliask, Bushmills -- recently I had a similar problem with another package.. I got around it by modifying the init.d script, adding "|| true" to the line attempting the stop -- the package was so broken it wasn't starting *or* stopping |
| 17:55.53 | pdani | what's the maximum number of processes linux can run at the same? (size of pid_t) |
| 17:55.55 | Peliask | Didn't work. |
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| 17:56.14 | Peliask | Ill try comprade |
| 17:56.38 | Bushmills | ComradeP: a way to fix it is to fix it, sure. but as pelias just want to remove it, not sure he wants to fix it first |
| 17:57.09 | hark | Peliask: pastebin the init script |
| 17:57.18 | Peliask | ComradeP: There's no entry in /etc/init.d/wifi-radar.conf =/ |
| 17:57.30 | ComradeP | Bushmills: hacking the init script is hardly fixing it :) It was just saying "don't fail if the stop operation fails" |
| 17:57.43 | ComradeP | which made dpkg continue |
| 17:57.50 | ComradeP | Peliask: post that file if you can |
| 17:57.53 | Bushmills | ComradeP: true. exit 0 on line 2 could do too |
| 17:58.01 | ComradeP | Bushmills: true :) |
| 17:58.06 | Peliask | ComradeP: post WHAT |
| 17:58.13 | ComradeP | Peliask: do what Bushmills just said |
| 17:58.32 | jelly-home | pdani: size of pid_t probably does not correspond to the real kernel limit |
| 17:58.52 | Peliask | ComradeP: There's no file in /etc/init.d/wifi-radar... |
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| 17:59.09 | Peliask | ComradeP: found it |
| 17:59.10 | Bushmills | Peliask: install it, then deinstall it again |
| 17:59.22 | Bushmills | ah. ignore what I said last |
| 17:59.51 | jelly-home | pdani: man proc; reading about /proc/sys/kernel/pid_max might be useful |
| 18:00.39 | Peliask | hold on im trying http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=458892 |
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| 18:01.08 | hark | which is what you should have done in the first place |
| 18:01.13 | ab3l | how do i allow remote control of my pc though lan ? |
| 18:02.19 | pdani | jelly, thx |
| 18:02.29 | Peliask | I got it, sorry for not looking there first, still new-ISH to linux |
| 18:02.29 | abrotman | ab3l: for X or CLI ? |
| 18:02.56 | Peliask | Hark: I'll bookmark it >_> |
| 18:03.07 | ab3l | abrotman: ? |
| 18:03.15 | ab3l | X |
| 18:03.19 | ab3l | i guess |
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| 18:03.24 | abrotman | vnc or /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 18:03.39 | Peliask | Hark: What's the uname extention to tell if I'm on stable/testing? |
| 18:03.58 | jelly-home | pdani: it lies though, you can easily set it to >32768 even on i386 |
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| 18:04.01 | ComradeP | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 18:04.19 | Peliask | ComradeP: ty :P |
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| 18:04.53 | jelly-home | pdani: hmm, or not. I'd swear I had a lot more pids on some older kernels. |
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| 18:05.42 | ab3l | abrotman: and i will let me see the desktop and call apps? |
| 18:05.47 | abrotman | !vnc |
| 18:05.47 | dpkg | vnc is probably Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about <x-not-vnc> |
| 18:05.54 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 18:05.57 | abrotman | not useful |
| 18:06.21 | abrotman | ab3l: yes |
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| 18:06.44 | Bushmills | ab3l: is the machine where you sit behind unixoid? |
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| 18:07.30 | myki | Hello. I have evolution already installed as a package but I want to compile new unstable version, since it's not in repositories (unstable too). What's the best way to do, configure and make leaving two different versions of evolution or there's a simple way to make a package from source that would meet all dependencies? |
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| 18:08.29 | ab3l | Bushmills: unixoid? |
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| 18:08.53 | Bushmills | llinux, for example |
| 18:09.05 | Bushmills | does it run X? |
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| 18:09.24 | ab3l | yeah xorg 7 |
| 18:09.30 | Bushmills | or is it a <insert dirty word here> machine? |
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| 18:09.47 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo everyone |
| 18:09.53 | Bushmills | ab3l: then you could do without vnc |
| 18:10.30 | Bushmills | does the machine where you want to connect to have a display manager, like xdm, gdm, kdm? |
| 18:10.30 | ab3l | yeah but i need to know what to enable or dset on debian4 and what to do on client ;) |
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| 18:10.55 | ab3l | kdm |
| 18:11.07 | Bushmills | and the machine you are connecting from too? |
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| 18:11.15 | appelza | could anyone please look at my xorg.conf and tell me why I cant choose 1152x864@85hz (or even 75 for that matter): http://pastebin.com/m680d16b3 |
| 18:11.21 | ab3l | yeah but client is suse 10.3 |
| 18:11.40 | Bushmills | tried the "remote login" in your display manager? |
| 18:11.58 | Bushmills | that will run your whole desktop over the net |
| 18:12.11 | Bushmills | "run" means "send its output" |
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| 18:12.59 | abrotman | appelza: probably need your log too |
| 18:13.06 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:13.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:13.21 | Bushmills | you'll get a login screen as if you'd sit behind the remote machine |
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| 18:13.54 | wols_ | appelza: why such a complicated xorg.conf? |
| 18:13.57 | abrotman | appelza: you're also using the binary nvidia driver |
| 18:14.10 | Bushmills | but it is considered a bit unsafe, you'd want to use it on a trusted LAN only |
| 18:14.19 | appelza | wols_: what would be less complicated? :D |
| 18:14.28 | wols_ | !tell appelza about drxx |
| 18:14.33 | darkstego__ | can anyone help with something.... netinstall isn't detecting my CD after the install initially starts |
| 18:14.43 | darkstego__ | what is the best way to troubleshoot? |
| 18:14.44 | wols_ | darkstego__: what mainboard/chipset? |
| 18:15.10 | appelza | thanks guys, will try |
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| 18:15.58 | darkstego__ | wols_: Asus P5E WS Pro |
| 18:16.16 | wols_ | and it uses what chipset for the cdrom? |
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| 18:16.41 | darkstego__ | wols_: the pata cable goes through the raid controller |
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| 18:17.14 | darkstego__ | lemme see which model raid controller it has |
| 18:17.19 | debian_usr | hello can anyone help me a bit with setting an X server? i have an no screens found error, no devices foun in the log, i already did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg with no results.. |
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| 18:17.50 | darkstego__ | wols_: marvel 88SE6145 I think |
| 18:17.55 | abrotman | debian_usr: paste your log somewhere |
| 18:17.57 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:17.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 18:18.29 | spaceinvader | hi, i seem to be having some problems with X |
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| 18:19.01 | spaceinvader | first it didnt work, so i set an explicit mode for "1024x768" |
| 18:19.06 | spaceinvader | but the screen flickers to black quite often |
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| 18:19.39 | debian_usr | abrotman: everything's fine with all except the last lines which tell me there are no devices detected, i used the bus i di found by doing a lspci in my reconfigure but it still didnt work |
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| 18:20.03 | abrotman | debian_usr: very likely there are other errors further up the log file |
| 18:20.13 | bulio | will debian auto-detect my 120GB ext3 storage drive? |
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| 18:20.39 | debian_usr | abrotman: how do i paste the log from the console to those locations?.... |
| 18:20.46 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 18:20.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
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| 18:22.01 | Strogg | does anyone know where to find docs on configuring exim4 as a smarthost for other clients? |
| 18:22.18 | debian_usr | abrotman: went through it again and that is the only error i have, the rest are just warning about fonts missing |
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| 18:22.35 | abrotman | debian_usr: aptitude install xorg ? |
| 18:22.59 | debian_usr | abrotman: already the newest version |
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| 18:23.17 | abrotman | debian_usr: very likely will need that log then |
| 18:23.55 | debian_usr | abrotman: can you tell me how to paste it somewhere from the console? |
| 18:24.03 | abrotman | debian_usr: see above |
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| 18:25.36 | Luke1704 | Hello |
| 18:26.00 | Luke1704 | Does anyone know what to do if the microphone does not work? |
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| 18:28.19 | ComradeP | unmute it? |
| 18:28.57 | debian_usr | abrotman: i'm not too familiar with the commands so i don't know exactly how do i paste that file over there :( |
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| 18:31.23 | lolwhut | how would I do a recursive find for all dot files in a tree? |
| 18:31.31 | lolwhut | i cant seem to find a combo of ls and grep that works |
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| 18:33.01 | valdyn | lolwhut: why would you use ls at all? |
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| 18:33.18 | Bushmills | lolwhut: try stat |
| 18:33.21 | lolwhut | valdyn: i need the filesizes as well |
| 18:33.23 | valdyn | lolwhut: grep -R foo * |
| 18:33.25 | Bushmills | stat -c%... |
| 18:33.28 | valdyn | lolwhut: use find |
| 18:33.44 | Bushmills | oh. recursive. sorry |
| 18:33.44 | cizzi | is there a utlity that shows you how much ram your video card has? i tried lshw and lspci |
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| 18:34.19 | valdyn | cizzi: why do you need to know that? |
| 18:34.27 | garotosops | Anyone having problems to render http://wordpress.com with Iceweasel 2.0.0.11 on Debian Testing? |
| 18:34.31 | Bushmills | was on auto-mode "ls and grep" |
| 18:34.34 | valdyn | cizzi: "dmidecode" will probably show |
| 18:34.43 | abrotman | !whatsmyhardware |
| 18:34.55 | abrotman | hrm |
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| 18:34.59 | `miki` | hello |
| 18:35.11 | debian_usr | so does anyone have any other idea why my Xserver won't start and gives me no devices found? |
| 18:35.21 | abrotman | dpkg: <tap tap> is this thing on? |
| 18:35.23 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 18:35.25 | `miki` | which source code editor for C/C++ would you recommend for console and for X? |
| 18:35.28 | valdyn | cizzi: but graphic card ram does only have to be seen by the appropriate driver, there cant be a unified way |
| 18:35.30 | Bushmills | debian_usr: xorg.conf not ok |
| 18:35.43 | abrotman | oh .. i'm just stupid :) |
| 18:35.58 | Gnurdux | `miki`, kate's not bad |
| 18:36.16 | Gnurdux | for console, some swear by vi :) |
| 18:36.17 | debian_usr | Bushmills: i suspected that from what i've read but what exactly must i check to be ok? the drivers for the videocard? |
| 18:36.18 | abrotman | `miki`: do you want a GUI one? or a CLI one? |
| 18:36.44 | `miki` | both |
| 18:36.48 | lolwhut | stat doesnt seem to do what i want |
| 18:36.54 | Bushmills | debian_usr: that's a good one. make sure the driver in xorg matches your videocard |
| 18:37.00 | lolwhut | as close as i got was ls -ARlh | grep -e [:space:]\. |
| 18:37.03 | valdyn | lolwhut: use "find" |
| 18:37.08 | valdyn | lolwhut: using ls for this is stupid |
| 18:37.14 | lolwhut | does find have file sizes? |
| 18:37.14 | `miki` | oh, and not vim and not emacs ;> |
| 18:37.21 | jelly-home | vim! |
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| 18:37.29 | Bushmills | debian_usr: also, look at the first errors in your X log |
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| 18:37.47 | Bushmills | the "no devices found" is probably the last one |
| 18:37.58 | debian_usr | Bushmills: the only one stated with (EE) is the no devices detected, the rest is ok, except warning about missing fonts |
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| 18:38.23 | valdyn | lolwhut: it has all you need, see the manpage |
| 18:38.26 | Bushmills | debian_usr: what video card? |
| 18:38.30 | garotosops | denken, what device is it? |
| 18:38.33 | debian_usr | Bushmills: the videocard is and nvidia and i chose nv driver |
| 18:38.53 | Bushmills | should be safe |
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| 18:39.12 | garotosops | debian_usr, did you install xserver-xorg-video-nv ? |
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| 18:39.21 | debian_usr | Bushmills: its an assus en8500gt to be more specific |
| 18:39.47 | debian_usr | garotosops: no i installed nvidia-xconfig only, let me try that one too |
| 18:40.16 | abrotman | `miki`: anjuta is decent for X .. vi/emacs for console |
| 18:40.24 | debian_usr | garotosops: ah it was already the newest version |
| 18:40.41 | cizzi | okay i found something on google for the amount of ram |
| 18:40.44 | cizzi | its a bit tricky |
| 18:40.50 | cizzi | but its one command if anyone wants it let me know |
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| 18:42.03 | debian_usr | it should work with nv but it doesnt, any other setting i might have skipped in xorg.conf? |
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| 18:45.51 | Bushmills | debian_usr: how did you configure xorg.conf in first place? |
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| 18:47.47 | debian_usr | Bushmills: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .... should i try a X -configure? |
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| 18:48.36 | Bushmills | debian_usr: I'd first check if and how well your 8500GT is supported |
| 18:49.04 | debian_usr | Bushmills: i just did a X -configure and for a moment i thought it worked but now it gives me a different error hmm |
| 18:49.05 | Bushmills | hardware compatibility list ... google .. other people problems with same card, things like that |
| 18:49.20 | Bushmills | that's a relatively recent card, isn't it |
| 18:49.21 | Bushmills | ? |
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| 18:49.46 | cinderella | sera a tutti |
| 18:49.50 | cinderella | !list |
| 18:49.50 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to cinderella |
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| 18:50.00 | cinderella | !addon |
| 18:50.47 | xingu | heh |
| 18:51.00 | xingu | "with enough thrust, anything will fly" |
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| 18:52.20 | DustyBin | is it possible to copy a mp3 id3 tag from one mp3 to another ? |
| 18:53.03 | debian_usr | Bushmills: i tried a knoppix and it works perfectly so i'm assuming my 8500gt is supported... |
| 18:53.15 | DustyBin | ive basically re-encoded all my mp3s using lame but it wiped the id3 tag in the process, so now id like to copy the id3 tags from the original mp3 files to the re-encoded mp3 files |
| 18:53.27 | Bushmills | debian_usr: ok good sign. go fetch the knoppix config. |
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| 18:56.41 | cor123 | Blarg!! |
| 18:57.06 | cor123 | I need some help running 32-bit debian on a dg33tl intel board |
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| 18:57.23 | cor123 | with a dual core duo |
| 18:57.24 | debian_usr | Bushmills: before that, i just got a new error after running X -config /bla bla ..it says failed to initialize core devices |
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| 18:58.11 | cor123 | I have 8 GB RAM in the machine and everything seems to run fine until I jump the high mem limit up |
| 18:58.24 | Bushmills | mmm ... mouse? |
| 18:58.28 | cor123 | when I boot with the highmem kernel its SLOOOOWWWW |
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| 18:59.15 | vanksi | what's the mem limit on x86? |
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| 18:59.20 | cor123 | 4gb |
| 18:59.25 | Bushmills | debian_usr: there is a switch to allow starting X also without mouse, rather than fail. but I forgot how it was called |
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| 18:59.44 | cor123 | but with the 686 bigmem kernel it should work |
| 18:59.55 | vanksi | cor123, no way to increase that except movint to 64bit? |
| 19:00.10 | Bushmills | Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true" |
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| 19:00.26 | cor123 | can't this is replacing an ltsp server that needs some of the 32-bit only plugins |
| 19:00.26 | Bushmills | This allows the server to start up even if the mouse device can't be opened/initialised. Default: false. |
| 19:00.43 | cor123 | flash etc |
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| 19:01.47 | netdaemon | last.fm scrobbling not working in sid version of rhythmbox? |
| 19:02.06 | abrotman | !bts |
| 19:02.06 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 19:02.36 | y | I have a box that stopped receiving DHCP offers on startup. What can I check |
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| 19:03.55 | xingu | ooh err, 240/4 -= reserved status? |
| 19:03.57 | netdaemon | suppose i should see if its even trying to post it first, could be my network |
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| 19:04.22 | rektide | arg burning pain. this business cd is telling me none of the archives have a valid Release file |
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| 19:04.55 | ben_goodger | rektide: it cannot connect, check proxy/drivers/networking config |
| 19:05.03 | netdaemon | anyone know what port last.fm scrobbles through? |
| 19:05.05 | rektide | it downloaded libc and the kernel just fine |
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| 19:05.32 | rektide | also, why is ping not on the netinst cd? |
| 19:05.42 | rektide | being able to test networking would be really useful for a network cd |
| 19:06.07 | sepski | are there anything like delux paint for debian ? (no not gimp!) so simple a 5 year old can use it |
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| 19:06.25 | sepski | that is a FAQ entry and you have wget, and |
| 19:06.45 | Bushmills | sepski: tuxpaint is quite nice for youngsters |
| 19:06.56 | Bushmills | sepski: but not resizable afaik |
| 19:07.14 | Bushmills | though fullscreen possible |
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| 19:07.49 | Bushmills | is favourite computer toy of a 3 years old |
| 19:08.20 | sepski | Bushmills, will test it |
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| 19:09.14 | RandomDude18 | how do i get apache2 working with virtual hosts? |
| 19:09.33 | RandomDude18 | i only want to allow certain domains to point to my server, not any |
| 19:09.51 | hoxu | RandomDude18, there's plenty of material and examples in the apache documentation about virtual hosts |
| 19:10.18 | hoxu | RandomDude18, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ - look at the virtual hosts section |
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| 19:12.43 | emergo | The icons on the gnome desktop dissapeared, can I restart this somehow |
| 19:12.44 | Zylone | anyone know of a GUI frontend for samba? |
| 19:12.55 | Gnurdux | sepski, if you want something m$paint like, theres a kde paint, not sure what its called, but its pretty similar |
| 19:13.20 | hoxu | emergo, restart or restore? |
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| 19:14.20 | sepski | Gnurdux, no i want something delux paint like. mspain is not very good |
| 19:14.24 | sepski | mspaint |
| 19:14.46 | emergo | hoxu: dont restart gdm but nautilus |
| 19:14.59 | Bushmills | emergo, nautilus |
| 19:15.02 | hoxu | sepski, the kde app is krita |
| 19:15.11 | sepski | hoxu, thanks ill test |
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| 19:15.19 | abrotman | Zylone: to configure or connect? |
| 19:15.50 | emergo | Bushmills: think thats what I did way back,. kill nautilus somehow but noe sure. I can always restart gmd but not unless I have to |
| 19:16.06 | emergo | its just the icons on the desktop im missing |
| 19:16.19 | Zylone | abro: to config |
| 19:16.20 | Bushmills | emergo: nautlus manages the desktop |
| 19:16.21 | Bushmills | icons |
| 19:16.42 | Bushmills | or use with one ... |
| 19:17.15 | Bushmills | http://forthfreak.net/desktop |
| 19:17.25 | Bushmills | run to toggle desktop on/off |
| 19:17.25 | abrotman | Zylone: there might be something in gnome admin tools |
| 19:17.34 | Zylone | kewl |
| 19:17.37 | Zylone | I will take a look |
| 19:17.47 | Bushmills | (I hope it still works - is legacy stuff) |
| 19:18.52 | Bushmills | yes, it does |
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| 19:19.28 | logd | hi how do i enable remote login to kdm ? |
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| 19:20.39 | bulio | I have a machine running windows server 2003, with a 120GB storage drive |
| 19:20.47 | emergo | Bushmills: thanks I just had to start it again. must have killed it somehow the first time before killal |
| 19:20.48 | bulio | and an 80GB drive in which server 2k3 is running on |
| 19:21.02 | bulio | how can I convert the 120GB drive to ext3? from NTFS |
| 19:21.19 | abrotman | backup your data .. format .. put data back |
| 19:21.38 | bulio | arrg |
| 19:21.54 | bulio | this is gonna be tricky, heh |
| 19:22.00 | flami | bulio, http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php .... oh yeah it will reformat . |
| 19:22.08 | Bushmills | bulio: purchasing a new drive may be cheaper than invested time :) |
| 19:22.30 | flami | yeah konsidering that 1 TB is cheap as rubble now :P |
| 19:22.43 | flami | c ---^ |
| 19:22.57 | hoxu | 80 GiB costs around 16 EUR nowadays :p |
| 19:23.00 | bulio | Bushmills: I have a 120GB drive, and 80GB drive, 2 10GB drives, and a 40GB drive |
| 19:23.00 | Bushmills | but, if there's data on ntfs, I suppose that data is not needed anymore (if that drive is meant to become ext3) |
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| 19:23.15 | bulio | and a 120GB laptop drive |
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| 19:23.33 | y_ | Can someone please help me troubleshoot why my box doesn't get DHCP offers? It is not a hardware issue. |
| 19:23.36 | flami | so you just want to reformat ? |
| 19:23.41 | bulio | I cant find an alternative to gnump3d for windows |
| 19:23.51 | bulio | so I'd like to move back to debian |
| 19:23.56 | hoxu | y_, did you run another OS on the box to confirm that? |
| 19:24.22 | Bushmills | bulio: dump the 2 10 gig drives |
| 19:24.24 | flami | bulio, debian will format the drive during install |
| 19:24.28 | y_ | It connected fine two nights ago |
| 19:24.39 | y_ | Also, ifup eth1 shows the box being connected when I plug it in. |
| 19:24.49 | bulio | flami: but I have 30GB of music which I don't wanna lose in the process |
| 19:25.00 | flami | then make backups |
| 19:25.08 | flami | OR |
| 19:25.13 | flami | use http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php |
| 19:25.20 | Bushmills | bulio: if it isn't on backup anyway, consider it lost already |
| 19:25.35 | Bushmills | just to be prepared for when the drive breaks |
| 19:25.39 | hoxu | y_, "shows the box being connected"? |
| 19:25.48 | y_ | When I plug in the line, I get a media link message. |
| 19:26.07 | ComradeP | y_: "dhclient eth1" times out? |
| 19:26.12 | flami | bulio, only repartition a part of it , copy the music , resize . BUT ITS RISKY ! |
| 19:26.12 | y_ | yes. |
| 19:26.13 | hoxu | so the physical connection is okay to your modem box or whatever |
| 19:26.17 | y_ | ComradeP <-- yep. |
| 19:26.57 | RandomDude18 | ok i got the virtual hosts working |
| 19:26.57 | y_ | DHCPDISCOVER for a minute or so then sleeps. |
| 19:26.57 | RandomDude18 | but i dont want every domain to work on it |
| 19:26.57 | ComradeP | y_: other machines successfully use the dhcp server? |
| 19:26.57 | RandomDude18 | only the ones i tell it to you |
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| 19:26.58 | y_ | Yes. I turned off my airport and connected my laptop to the line and it connected, ComradeP |
| 19:26.58 | RandomDude18 | for example, booneXFL.com is pointing to my ip, but i dont have it listed in my virtualhosts. |
| 19:26.59 | hoxu | y_, have you changed your firewall settings or installed something recently? |
| 19:27.07 | ComradeP | y_: do you see packets on the line? |
| 19:27.08 | y_ | hoxu -- no sir. |
| 19:27.12 | Bushmills | RandomDude18: does the request appear in daemon.log on machine with dhcpd? |
| 19:27.24 | y_ | ComradeP I am not sure where I would check that. |
| 19:27.25 | hoxu | y_, what does tcpdump say when you run it and then invoke dhclient on eth1? |
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| 19:27.40 | proprietarysucks | I got pptp connection to work last night then I went to sleep and it got disconnected. Now I am unable to get it up again =/ |
| 19:27.44 | proprietarysucks | this is what I get when trying to connect: http://nopaste.com/p/actOiu0b1 |
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| 19:27.46 | ComradeP | y_: ifconfig eth1 lists RX and TX packets |
| 19:27.49 | hoxu | y_, ifconfig eth1 up, "tcpdump -ni eth1" in one terminal and "dhclient -d eth1" in another |
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| 19:28.06 | y_ | i don't have tcpdump i will have to install it with apt? |
| 19:28.07 | bulio | what if I convert the drive to FAT32, copy the data over, then reformat the drive? |
| 19:28.21 | hoxu | y_, yes, and you need connectivity for that probably :P |
| 19:28.21 | logd | installed vncserver on my sys but when i log from client i just see a black and white grid and X mouse |
| 19:28.31 | kb3llm | can someone help me get my linksys card working? I tried this and its not working (its a rt2500 driver) http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto |
| 19:28.33 | y_ | oh duh. how stupid. I actually typed apt-get. |
| 19:28.36 | RandomDude18 | i dont know |
| 19:28.47 | y_ | ComradeP I see nothing about RX or TX when I type that |
| 19:28.56 | y_ | I LIED! |
| 19:29.03 | ComradeP | y_: lines 5 and 6 for me |
| 19:29.06 | hoxu | !truth about y_ |
| 19:29.06 | dpkg | y_ is a liar! |
| 19:29.10 | y_ | RX packets 0, errors 0 0 00 .... |
| 19:29.16 | hoxu | TX? |
| 19:29.17 | y_ | TX packets 35, the rest 0 |
| 19:29.36 | ComradeP | logd: just vncserver will not allow you to connect to a running session, look into x11vnc or kde's desktop sharing mechanisms |
| 19:30.01 | ComradeP | y_: are leds lit on the device the cable goes into (the dhcp server)? |
| 19:30.08 | bulio | debian can read FAT32 fine, right? |
| 19:30.11 | y_ | yes. |
| 19:30.24 | y_ | ComradeP I checked that too. As I said, I connected to it with my laptop and it was fine. |
| 19:30.24 | Bushmills | bulio: can also read ntfs |
| 19:30.31 | hoxu | y_, nothing in your software config has changed? |
| 19:30.36 | y_ | I swear, nothing. |
| 19:30.56 | hoxu | broken NIC? |
| 19:31.10 | y_ | But the NIC reports the connection when I plug it in |
| 19:31.16 | hoxu | if lights are on I guess it's not a problem with cable either |
| 19:31.26 | y_ | Cable connects to another machine fine. |
| 19:31.43 | y_ | I don't see a light on the NIC on my computer. But the media link msg makes me think its fine.... |
| 19:31.46 | y_ | maybe that's not true. |
| 19:31.57 | y_ | Hmpf. |
| 19:32.04 | blubberdiblub | y_: those messages do not neccessarily mean it's working |
| 19:32.08 | y_ | ok. cool. |
| 19:32.15 | y_ | I will say one thing, I found the machine turned off. |
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| 19:32.26 | y_ | this morning. |
| 19:33.01 | ComradeP | is the dhcp server a linux box or a router or what? |
| 19:33.10 | y_ | dhcp server is a wifi router. |
| 19:33.37 | bulio | Bushmills: can debian read NTFS right out of the box? |
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| 19:33.49 | Bushmills | bulio, very likely |
| 19:33.50 | ComradeP | y_: (sorry for repeating myself) Do other machines currently successfully get dhcp replies from the router over a cable? |
| 19:33.56 | ComradeP | bulio: yes |
| 19:34.06 | bulio | I don't need write support, I only need to copy files over from the NTFS drive, wipe the drive to ext3, then put my files back |
| 19:34.08 | y_ | yes sir. I removed the line from the comptuer in question to my laptop and it worked fine |
| 19:34.14 | y_ | ComradeP ^ |
| 19:34.19 | bulio | and debian will allow me to do that? |
| 19:34.21 | valdyn | bulio: yes |
| 19:34.24 | y_ | (and yes, I disabled the wifi) =) |
| 19:34.29 | Bushmills | bulio: mount -t ntfs ... |
| 19:34.33 | bulio | ok |
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| 19:35.26 | cizzi | i wish i could get debian to work on this new pc i built... fc8 works.. should i try amd64 install? |
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| 19:35.31 | HNT | Hello everybody, do you know how to list installed package and to class them by category (free/contrib/non-free) ? |
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| 19:35.49 | valdyn | cizzi: that does not really have better chances |
| 19:35.56 | hoxu | y_, I'd say, try to get a NIC from another comp and test with that |
| 19:36.00 | cizzi | valdyn - what do you recommend |
| 19:36.10 | y_ | ok. i think i have one |
| 19:36.19 | valdyn | cizzi: nothing, i know nothing about your new pc you built |
| 19:36.53 | cizzi | valdyn - it has an intel motherboard and an intel cpu |
| 19:36.56 | valdyn | !8-ball |
| 19:37.00 | valdyn | !8ball |
| 19:37.00 | dpkg | most likely |
| 19:37.01 | hoxu | y_, if you found the computer turned off from a power outage or something, I think those can break hardware, especially if multiple occur in succession |
| 19:37.10 | ComradeP | y_: the only other thing I can think of is router configuration -- is dhcp restricted to a particular set of MAC addresses? |
| 19:37.30 | hoxu | ComradeP, apparently this exact setup has worked two days ago |
| 19:37.46 | ComradeP | hm, that is weird |
| 19:37.54 | y_ | yeah. |
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| 19:37.57 | y_ | hmmmm. |
| 19:38.36 | zzz | Is there anybody who as compiled (bootstrapped) IcedTea on Debian (sid) ? |
| 19:38.43 | zzz | s/as/has/ |
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| 19:39.05 | y_ | ComradeP, hoxu, if I unplug the router for a few minutes will it return to stock settings? |
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| 19:39.16 | y_ | Just to rule out some config oddness there. |
| 19:39.17 | kb3llm | can anyone help me with wireless on Debain? i have a card that uses rt2500 and (http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto) did not work :( |
| 19:39.20 | hoxu | y_, router reboot is worth trying indeed |
| 19:39.42 | valdyn | kb3llm: not if you dont tell us error messages |
| 19:39.45 | y_ | Ok, going to unplug it. be back in a few. |
| 19:39.47 | valdyn | !tell kb3llm -about ask |
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| 19:40.09 | hoxu | !ask-to-ask |
| 19:40.09 | dpkg | ask-to-ask is probably Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol |
| 19:40.40 | Bushmills | is "is this question a question?" a meta-question? |
| 19:40.48 | kb3llm | ok, well....... |
| 19:41.19 | kb3llm | I am running debian etch (4.0), and i followed those instructions, but it doesnt come up in ifconfig.. |
| 19:41.21 | kb3llm | or ANYWHERE |
| 19:41.37 | Bushmills | actually, should be .. 'is "is this question a meta question?" a meta-question?' |
| 19:41.41 | valdyn | kb3llm: run "ifconfig -a" |
| 19:41.46 | hoxu | !lart Bushmills |
| 19:41.59 | valdyn | kb3llm: are we supposed to read the howto for you? |
| 19:42.05 | Bushmills | chattr +I |
| 19:42.05 | kb3llm | valdyn: i just get eth0, lo, and sit0 |
| 19:42.15 | valdyn | kb3llm: thank god you got some real info in there by mentioning ifconfig ;) |
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| 19:42.36 | valdyn | kb3llm: what kind of hardware is this? usb? pci? pcmcia? |
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| 19:42.48 | valdyn | kb3llm: how exactly is the driver ( module ) name? |
| 19:42.49 | jelly-home | !penixstrike Bushmills |
| 19:42.50 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Bushmills to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:42.57 | kb3llm | valdyn: its a USB Linksys adapter |
| 19:43.15 | valdyn | kb3llm: firmware installed? |
| 19:43.21 | Bushmills | yes. where the mind fails, only brute force works :P |
| 19:43.32 | kb3llm | valdyn: umm? |
| 19:43.44 | valdyn | kb3llm: do you understand that you need firmware for that usb device? |
| 19:44.05 | kb3llm | valdyn: driver != firmware?? gah! |
| 19:44.24 | valdyn | kb3llm: tha's right, you still need the firmware i think |
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| 19:45.00 | valdyn | kb3llm: check http://packages.debian.org/ for the firmware-ralink package from lenny or sid, and dpkg -i that package |
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| 19:45.32 | zzz | valdyn: I don't think that rt2500 needs a firmware. |
| 19:45.44 | valdyn | kb3llm: plug in your device and paste the output of running "dmesg" |
| 19:45.51 | valdyn | zzz: its not rt2500 if its usb |
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| 19:45.54 | bulio | does anyone know of a bittorrent client, with a web interface that most private trackers allow? |
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| 19:46.05 | valdyn | zzz: more like rt73 |
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| 19:46.21 | hoxu | bulio, you lost me at the "private trackers" part, rephrase |
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| 19:46.47 | Bushmills | bulio: torrentflux |
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| 19:46.54 | valdyn | !paste |
| 19:46.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 19:47.04 | valdyn | kb3llm: and please dont paste here, use a paste site |
| 19:47.10 | kb3llm | valdyn: i will. |
| 19:47.12 | bulio | Bushmills: doesn't that one depend on a client backend? |
| 19:47.18 | bulio | when I used it, a tracker rejected it |
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| 19:47.44 | Bushmills | bulio: has web interface |
| 19:47.55 | kb3llm | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/46743 |
| 19:48.02 | cloud_ | is there some setting I can change so that my debian system will always look at the time in bios when booting? I think I set things right but yet there is some 2 hrs delay, maybe it thinks the bios is set to GMT or something |
| 19:48.34 | hoxu | bulio, what are you looking for, again? |
| 19:48.43 | Bushmills | bulio: mldonkey is also supposed to handle torrent, has web interface among other, but I haven't looked at how to use torrents with mldonkey |
| 19:49.08 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 19:49.08 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 19:49.13 | JordiGH | What's proper etiquette as far as seeding Debian CDs? I usually seed until my share ratio hits 1 and then I disconnect. |
| 19:49.25 | JordiGH | Re: bittorrent. |
| 19:49.42 | cloud_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:49.51 | valdyn | kb3llm: that dmesg output does not show any usb device connected except a storage device, is it complete? |
| 19:49.52 | rektide | 1:1 is good, do more if you'd like |
| 19:50.01 | kb3llm | valdyn: should be.. yes. |
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| 19:50.24 | JordiGH | rektide: Kay, just don't want anyone to think I'm stingy with my bandwidth. :-) |
| 19:50.39 | hoxu | JordiGH, I don't know, I have a seeding ratio of 91 for one distro CD... |
| 19:51.02 | JordiGH | hoxu: For Debian? I probably grabbed some bytes from you, then. |
| 19:51.11 | hoxu | not debian :P |
| 19:51.14 | rektide | sweet, no need to seed at all then, hoxu' got us all covered |
| 19:51.15 | valdyn | kb3llm: run "lsusb", paste output of that command |
| 19:51.40 | kb3llm | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/46745 |
| 19:51.48 | hoxu | rektide, healthy thinking |
| 19:51.59 | valdyn | kb3llm: ok |
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| 19:52.07 | hoxu | rektide, haha, comcast, you can't seed, can you? ;) |
| 19:52.09 | proprietarysucks | I got pptp connection to work last night then I went to sleep and it got disconnected. Now I am unable to get it up again =/ |
| 19:52.12 | proprietarysucks | this is what I get when trying to connect: http://nopaste.com/p/actOiu0b1 |
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| 19:52.18 | kb3llm | valdyn: should i just give up and use ndiswrapper? |
| 19:52.19 | teekay_ | sup? |
| 19:52.32 | rektide | hoxu: not on my home ISP no. |
| 19:52.55 | valdyn | kb3llm: nah |
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| 19:53.14 | valdyn | kb3llm: try running "modprobe rt73" |
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| 19:53.27 | lobak | hello |
| 19:53.36 | kb3llm | valdyn: FATAL: Module rt73 not found. |
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| 19:53.49 | valdyn | kb3llm: where's the modules you think you installed? |
| 19:53.55 | teekay_ | ? |
| 19:54.05 | valdyn | kb3llm: did you get the new one, that would be rt73usb |
| 19:54.27 | kb3llm | i dont know.. it did it automatically somehow or something..... http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto |
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| 19:54.36 | kb3llm | @valdyn ---^ |
| 19:54.42 | ScrwLoose | hi i got an issue running kde apps in gnome |
| 19:54.47 | ScrwLoose | they dont run ;) |
| 19:54.50 | ScrwLoose | eg. kiax |
| 19:54.56 | valdyn | kb3llm: but you do not have an rt2500 chip |
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| 19:55.18 | valdyn | !info rt73-source etch |
| 19:55.41 | valdyn | !find rt73 etch |
| 19:55.49 | dpkg | Debian Desc Search of 'rt73' (12 of 17): rt73-modules-2.6-k7 ;; rt73-common ;; rt73-modules-2.6.22-3-vserver-k7 ;; firmware-ralink ;; rt73-modules-2.6.22-3-k7 ;; rt73-modules-2.6.22-3-486 ;; rt73-modules-2.6-amd64 ;; rt73-modules-2.6.22-3-686 ;; rt73-modules-2.6-686-bigmem ;; rt73-modules-2.6.22-3-686-bigmem ;; rt73-modules-2.6.22-3-amd64 ;; rt73-modules-2.6-vserver-686. |
| 19:56.07 | valdyn | kb3llm: what is the output of "uname -r" ? |
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| 19:56.19 | b0ha | how do i install kde 4 |
| 19:56.20 | kb3llm | valdyn: 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 19:56.41 | dbusr | some here can help me with the tv tuner pctvstereo ? |
| 19:56.51 | dbusr | i cant make this work in linux |
| 19:56.57 | valdyn | kb3llm: try "aptitude install rt73-modules-$(uname -r)" |
| 19:57.09 | JordiGH | b0ha: I don't think it's packaged yet? |
| 19:57.27 | cisko | how did you add someone to some group? |
| 19:57.30 | kb3llm | valdyn: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "rt73-modules-2.6.18-5-686" |
| 19:57.32 | JordiGH | b0ha: Or it might be in experimental... let me check. |
| 19:57.45 | valdyn | kb3llm: ok, hold on, i need to check packages.debian.org since dpkg is broken |
| 19:58.09 | cisko | how did you add someone to some group? |
| 19:58.28 | b0ha | JordiGH, i think that it is avalible for ubuntu, that is why i asked |
| 19:58.50 | JordiGH | b0ha: I think the KDE devs provided dotdebs for Ubuntu, but I'm not sure they were packaged by Ubuntu devs. |
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| 19:59.18 | Smirnov | does debian use /boot/grub/menu.lst as equivalent to /boot/grub/grub.conf ? |
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| 19:59.46 | cisko | how do you add user to group? |
| 20:00.01 | JordiGH | b0ha: As far as I can tell, sid still has 3.5 |
| 20:00.09 | JordiGH | cisko: man usermod |
| 20:00.10 | valdyn | mm, the legacy rt73 driver is not even in etch |
| 20:00.18 | cisko | its not usermod |
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| 20:00.23 | b0ha | thank you JordiGH |
| 20:00.25 | cisko | how do you put someone into groyp |
| 20:00.28 | zzz | cisko: adduser <user> <group> |
| 20:00.33 | Bushmills | cisko: man adduser |
| 20:00.37 | valdyn | kb3llm: "aptitude install module-assistant; m-a a-i rt2x00" gets you the experimental driver |
| 20:00.50 | JordiGH | cisko: If you prefer to do it graphically, Gnome and KDE have obvious. And yes, it's usermod. |
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| 20:01.01 | JordiGH | obvious frontends |
| 20:01.23 | JordiGH | cisko: You can also manually edit /etc/group. It's not hard to see how it works. |
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| 20:02.40 | kb3llm | valdyn: did that.. now what? lol |
| 20:02.55 | valdyn | kb3llm: replug the device and watch dmesg |
| 20:03.12 | lobak | can someone tell me how can i get the latest version of conky when i install it?because the latest version of conky now is 1.4.9, however when i apt-get install conky,i get the 1.4.4 |
| 20:03.38 | valdyn | kb3llm: did the abovementioned commands finish without error btw? |
| 20:04.58 | kb3llm | valdyn: yes.. no errors |
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| 20:05.26 | Hal9000 | damn! i accidentally deleted some files... is there a way to recover them? |
| 20:05.35 | valdyn | kb3llm: replug the device, paste new information showing in dmesg |
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| 20:05.49 | kb3llm | at the bottom of dmesg http://paste.debian.net/46746 |
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| 20:06.09 | kb3llm | valdyn: need whole thing? |
| 20:06.20 | valdyn | kb3llm: no, the device is ok |
| 20:06.23 | vincent | hello |
| 20:06.28 | kb3llm | valdyn: k. |
| 20:06.34 | valdyn | kb3llm: i was wrong in thinking that it couldnt be rt2500 i guess |
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| 20:07.01 | valdyn | kb3llm: go ahead use that interface |
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| 20:07.07 | kb3llm | valdyn: so now just configure it in iwconfig? |
| 20:07.16 | valdyn | kb3llm: good if it works, otherwise you need to remove the device again and use the legacy driver |
| 20:07.18 | Luke1704 | I am searching a video-chat tool for debian. Has anyone experience and can recommend one? |
| 20:07.30 | kunsi | Luke1704: skype? |
| 20:07.38 | valdyn | kb3llm: yea |
| 20:07.53 | Luke1704 | does skype provide video-chat? |
| 20:07.57 | Luke1704 | I didn't know |
| 20:07.59 | kunsi | yes |
| 20:08.02 | kunsi | it does |
| 20:08.04 | Luke1704 | ok thank! |
| 20:08.12 | valdyn | kb3llm: but not the wmaster0, the other one |
| 20:08.18 | valdyn | kb3llm: it will show 2 new devices iirc |
| 20:08.26 | kb3llm | valdyn: yes... wlan0 |
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| 20:15.29 | aleks | hi everyone |
| 20:15.48 | kb3llm | valdyn: this is going to sound stupid: how do i set wpa with iwconfig? |
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| 20:15.54 | aleks | is here someone who can help newbe w/ wireless on debian ?? |
| 20:16.06 | valdyn | kb3llm: no idea, i dont use wpa |
| 20:16.12 | abrotman | aleks: we need more details |
| 20:16.20 | valdyn | kb3llm: and i use network-manager-gnome for wireless anyway |
| 20:16.38 | aleks | i've never use wireless on any linux so probobly i could ask stupid questions |
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| 20:16.48 | aleks | but ok let me start |
| 20:16.51 | kb3llm | valdyn: meh, its downstairs. I'm using ssh.. lol |
| 20:17.04 | aleks | i have wifi card zonet or something |
| 20:17.19 | aleks | and i needed to use ndiswrapper to instal drivers to that device |
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| 20:17.39 | wols_ | aleks: what chip does the card use? |
| 20:17.49 | aleks | iwlist scan found my access point which is call NaszKabel |
| 20:17.51 | wols_ | kb3llm: wpasupplicant |
| 20:18.03 | Smirnov | wth, i edited my /boot/grub/menu.lst and the changes didnt get reflected |
| 20:18.06 | cizzi | trying to install lenny , got further but now it says it cant find the ethernet card and i have a big list.. i have an intel dg33fb motherboard so i tried e100 and e1000 but still doesnt work |
| 20:18.20 | aleks | there is wpa2 encryption on thtat router and my MAC was added as well in AP conf |
| 20:18.23 | wols_ | !tell cizzi about kmuto |
| 20:19.02 | aleks | i trying to use NetworkManager on GNOME it found the network via wlan0 but when i try to connect |
| 20:19.12 | aleks | and enter password |
| 20:19.26 | aleks | its working for a while and then nothing happens |
| 20:19.36 | aleks | its still disconnected |
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| 20:19.55 | aleks | I have no idea where start fixing it |
| 20:19.56 | kb3llm | wols_ and valdyn: theres no spot, even in the gnome network thing (i went down and looked) for WPA.. only WEP |
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| 20:20.26 | wols_ | kb3llm: wpasupplicant |
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| 20:20.48 | wols_ | aleks: for you too |
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| 20:21.28 | aleks | wols_ i installed wpasupplicant and when im trying to follow some tutorials on net where it says about wpasupplicant.conf in etc directory |
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| 20:21.34 | aleks | i dont have this file |
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| 20:21.48 | Ioan | k |
| 20:21.51 | y | hoxu -- new network card did the trick. |
| 20:22.01 | y | Now, I am wondering how to decide the variables for static networking. |
| 20:22.13 | cisko | shit.c:17:20: error: asm/io.h: No such file or directory |
| 20:22.19 | wols_ | aleks: then create it |
| 20:22.20 | cisko | wtf no io.h |
| 20:22.22 | cisko | what is that |
| 20:22.23 | y | I know the address I want the computer to be accessible to, but none of the others (netmask, network, etc) |
| 20:22.29 | wols_ | y: man interfaces |
| 20:22.30 | cisko | how can that be |
| 20:22.39 | wols_ | y: the others pretty much follow from that |
| 20:22.42 | cisko | why don't i have io.h |
| 20:22.51 | y | thanks wols_ |
| 20:23.20 | wols_ | cisko: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=io.h&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 20:23.24 | Smirnov | i dont think my GRUB is using /boot/grub/menu.lst ... i changed the entry but it just boots into my prvious configuration |
| 20:23.27 | acu | how do I start and stop apache server (enalled website etc) I forgot |
| 20:23.31 | wols_ | cisko: cause you haven't installed it |
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| 20:23.39 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/apache{2} restart |
| 20:23.40 | kb3llm | wols_: how do i use wpasupplicant? Its installed...... dont know what to do. |
| 20:23.43 | wols_ | acu: if you use a debian grub: it does |
| 20:23.48 | cisko | wols_: how do i install it |
| 20:23.53 | wols_ | kb3llm: you read the docs |
| 20:23.55 | azeem | !installit |
| 20:23.55 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 20:24.01 | kb3llm | wols_: where? |
| 20:24.15 | wols_ | kb3llm: /usr/share/doc for example |
| 20:24.16 | valdyn | cisko: what are you trying to compile? a kernel module or an app? |
| 20:24.22 | cisko | app |
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| 20:25.10 | valdyn | cisko: "apt-file search asm/io.h" |
| 20:25.18 | valdyn | cisko: might list wrong packages though |
| 20:25.35 | valdyn | cisko: uh or not, ask the kernel source tree is tarred.. just go ahead |
| 20:25.41 | valdyn | s/ask/as/ |
| 20:26.01 | cisko | there is no apt-file |
| 20:26.09 | cisko | apt-cache there is |
| 20:26.14 | valdyn | !tell cisko -about search |
| 20:26.21 | valdyn | cisko: that is something different |
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| 20:27.37 | kb3llm | valdyn & wols_ : what do i put for DRIVER (in the config)? |
| 20:27.41 | kb3llm | rt73? |
| 20:27.46 | kb3llm | or rt2500? |
| 20:27.50 | kb3llm | or rt2500usb? |
| 20:27.51 | valdyn | kb3llm: which config? |
| 20:27.56 | cisko | noe return |
| 20:27.59 | kb3llm | valdyn: for wpasupplicant |
| 20:28.00 | cisko | from apt-file search |
| 20:28.05 | cisko | Routines for accessing I/O ports are in /usr/include/asm/io.h (or linux/include/asm-i386/io.h in the kernel source distribution). The routines there are inline macros, so it is enough to #include ; you do not need any additional libraries. |
| 20:28.06 | kb3llm | it wants to know what driver i'm using |
| 20:28.10 | valdyn | kb3llm: i dont know wpasupplicant |
| 20:28.12 | cisko | where the hell are mine |
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| 20:28.41 | valdyn | kb3llm: your driver module is rt2500usb i think, check "lsmod" |
| 20:28.51 | kb3llm | valdyn: k |
| 20:28.52 | cisko | so where do i get this io.h |
| 20:29.11 | valdyn | cisko: you need to run "apt-file update" as root first |
| 20:29.55 | rektide | i'm trying to netinstall |
| 20:30.00 | lymeca | So will Debian execute any script in /etc/init.d/ every time it boots up? |
| 20:30.02 | rektide | files keep stalling on the download though |
| 20:30.09 | rektide | there doesnt seem to be any timeout or retry |
| 20:30.16 | wols_ | lymeca: it doesn't execute any script from /etc/init.d/ |
| 20:30.16 | cisko | wtf |
| 20:30.17 | valdyn | cisko: "kernel source distribution" is misleading at best. |
| 20:30.24 | jelly-home | or search using packages.debian.org, or !find asm/io.h |
| 20:30.57 | lymeca | wols_: Then howdo those scripts get executed manually... or at least then what is the /etc/init.d/ directory specifically FOR? |
| 20:31.09 | keith4_ | when I try to start X, the screen just goes black and xorg takes 100% of the CPU...? |
| 20:31.18 | valdyn | lymeca: why dont you read the README in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 20:31.23 | lymeca | wols_: I messed up the first part of my question. I means "How do those scripts get executed if not manually?" |
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| 20:31.29 | wols_ | lymeca: it's a repository of available bootup scripts |
| 20:31.35 | wols_ | lymeca: /etc/rc?.d |
| 20:31.42 | wols_ | !tell lymeca about sysvinit |
| 20:32.01 | lymeca | Thank you |
| 20:32.13 | rektide | stupid worthless installer |
| 20:32.19 | rektide | who tries to netinstall and doesnt include timeouts |
| 20:32.26 | wols_ | keith4_: xorg log please, also what driver do you use? |
| 20:32.28 | rektide | thanks for nothing jerks |
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| 20:32.41 | keith4_ | wols_: nvidia |
| 20:32.55 | wols_ | rektide: great way for asking for help. have a nice day. don't let the door hit you on your way out |
| 20:32.57 | keith4_ | i think i have to reboot, can't fix the screen |
| 20:33.06 | wols_ | keith4_: ctrl+alt+f1? |
| 20:33.13 | Smirnov | is debian grub smart enough to boot into itself even when its entry in menu.lst is missing ?? |
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| 20:33.23 | cisko | so the io.g |
| 20:33.25 | cisko | io.h |
| 20:33.27 | cisko | how do i get it now? |
| 20:33.31 | wols_ | Smirnov: if there is no menu.lst you get a grub> prompt |
| 20:33.32 | keith4_ | wols: nothing |
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| 20:33.45 | wols_ | !tell cisko about search |
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| 20:33.53 | wols_ | how about searching for yourself for a change? |
| 20:33.57 | Smirnov | wols_: i didnt have a menu.lst until i ran update-grub and it still booted? |
| 20:34.03 | proprietarysucks | I got pptp connection to work last night then I went to sleep and it got disconnected. Now I am unable to get it up again =/ |
| 20:34.06 | proprietarysucks | this is what I get when trying to connect: http://nopaste.com/p/actOiu0b1 |
| 20:34.07 | Radhad8549 | how can I access my mysql server from another pc? |
| 20:34.09 | wols_ | Smirnov: WHAT booted? HOW? |
| 20:34.12 | rektide | i know better than to ask for development help in #debian. i also know this is the worst @#$@#$ design concievable for a netinstaller. |
| 20:34.13 | illbiteyou | why does my beta nvidia 8800gt driver for my 64 bit debian distro keep killing my x-server stuff every time i restart? |
| 20:34.19 | Smirnov | wols_: i have no fucking clue, my computer just managed to magically boot |
| 20:34.28 | illbiteyou | it's f ucking annoying having to re-install the nvidia driver every time i restart |
| 20:34.35 | wols_ | Smirnov: it won't boot "magically" |
| 20:34.39 | Radhad8549 | I tried "GRANT ALL *.* TO 'root'@'%'" but i can not connect to it with MySQL Administrator |
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| 20:34.49 | valdyn | illbiteyou: i suppose you are on your own useing beta software |
| 20:34.58 | valdyn | illbiteyou: but you already knew that. |
| 20:35.07 | wols_ | illbiteyou: what videocard? |
| 20:35.15 | illbiteyou | 8800 |
| 20:35.21 | illbiteyou | gt |
| 20:35.26 | Smirnov | wols_: how did it boot then? i only have menu.lst in /boot/grub/menu.lst and its not using that |
| 20:35.28 | wols_ | illbiteyou: what nvidia driver version? |
| 20:35.30 | keith4_ | wols_: http://pastebin.ca/852401 xorg log |
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| 20:35.49 | wols_ | Smirnov: it could use another menu.lst depending how you installed it |
| 20:35.56 | argnel | anyone having problems with mouse button order in sid's kde 3.5.8? |
| 20:35.58 | illbiteyou | the file's name is NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64_169.04-pkg2.run |
| 20:36.05 | Smirnov | wols_: i did a disk-wide search for a menu.lst and cant find anything |
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| 20:36.34 | keith4_ | Smirnov: look for *.lst in /boot/grub |
| 20:36.42 | illbiteyou | whenever it's shutting down i see a 000000000400b57 seg fault error or something |
| 20:36.42 | wols_ | illbiteyou: we don't support nvidia.com drivers. use debian ones |
| 20:36.54 | Smirnov | keith4_: menu.lst is the only thing in ther |
| 20:36.55 | illbiteyou | wols_ i tried the debian way |
| 20:37.00 | wols_ | Smirnov: what is the timeout specified in your menu.lst |
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| 20:37.12 | Smirnov | wols_: 5 |
| 20:37.16 | wols_ | illbiteyou: debian sid drivers will work |
| 20:37.26 | wols_ | Smirnov: then the menu should display for 5 seconds |
| 20:37.32 | illbiteyou | should i spend a nother 2 weeks trying to install them futilly? |
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| 20:37.46 | cusco | illbiteyou: perhapsh you should be using a stable driver package from nvidia instead of a beta one |
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| 20:38.10 | keith4_ | is futilly a word? |
| 20:38.20 | cusco | I have a 8800 as well, works fine (on a 32bit tho) |
| 20:38.20 | wols_ | illbiteyou: you whine at the wrong tree. debian cannot do a thing about your problem |
| 20:38.34 | wols_ | cusco: and which driver version? |
| 20:38.38 | illbiteyou | i guess so then cuz debian is the sucks :( |
| 20:38.39 | cusco | hold on |
| 20:38.47 | illbiteyou | i should witch to u buntu huh? |
| 20:38.52 | wols_ | illbiteyou: please do |
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| 20:38.55 | keith4_ | illbiteyou: great way to get people to help you |
| 20:38.57 | keith4_ | idiot |
| 20:39.08 | jelly-home | whoa, keep it decent |
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| 20:39.16 | cusco | Im now using: x86-169.04 wols_ illbiteyou |
| 20:39.34 | Smirnov | how do i check which file my grub is using to boot from ? |
| 20:39.52 | abrotman | maybe ask #grub .. or check the docs |
| 20:39.52 | illbiteyou | cusco, does it work on 64 bit ? |
| 20:40.04 | jelly-home | Smirnov: you can use "e" at grub menu to take a closer look at the lines used |
| 20:40.10 | cusco | illbiteyou: I don't know Im using a x86 |
| 20:40.13 | keith4_ | Smirnov, you could try re-isntalling grub |
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| 20:40.30 | illbiteyou | o well i'm not gonna be a lab rat anymore.. i tried that last time trying to install even a 7100gs card.. |
| 20:40.33 | wols_ | keith4_: the problem is it might do the same again |
| 20:40.45 | illbiteyou | everyone in this channel kept saying "try this" i reply "it fails" they reply "i dont' know try this" |
| 20:40.52 | keith4_ | wols_: no big deal... i can netboot and re-install etch in about 6 minutes |
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| 20:41.23 | abrotman | illbiteyou: and what happens when you do it hte debian way ? |
| 20:41.25 | simonrvn | illbiteyou: kthxbye |
| 20:41.29 | jelly-home | illbiteyou: yeah, sometimes people try to be helpful even if they don't have direct experience with your problem |
| 20:41.39 | cusco | illbiteyou: Im not saying try anithing... that is not debian's fault... and I recal now that I had a 64bit kernel for a while and that driver worked fine... |
| 20:42.12 | illbiteyou | abrotman, the debian way doesn't work |
| 20:42.17 | abrotman | WHY? |
| 20:42.22 | abrotman | i asked you what happens .. |
| 20:42.22 | keith4_ | how the hell does the installer detect the onboard video card if it's disabled in the bios? |
| 20:42.29 | abrotman | "doesn't work" doesn't help |
| 20:42.31 | illbiteyou | i read that freaking 15 page wiki on the "debian way" |
| 20:42.37 | illbiteyou | and compiling kernels and what not |
| 20:42.37 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:42.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 20:42.42 | cizzi | when installing debian is it better to put /home on a seperate paritition? i plan to add a 2nd drive eventually for the /home |
| 20:42.46 | wols_ | keith4_: just cause you disable it in BIOS doesn't mean it's removed physically from the chip :) |
| 20:42.58 | wols_ | illbiteyou: what vesion of debian are you on? |
| 20:43.01 | cusco | illbiteyou: debian way doens't tell you to compile kernels, tells you to use module assistant |
| 20:43.24 | illbiteyou | uname -r says: |
| 20:43.31 | illbiteyou | 2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 20:43.49 | abrotman | that's not a debian verion |
| 20:43.51 | abrotman | version |
| 20:43.59 | illbiteyou | etch |
| 20:43.59 | cusco | that would be the kernel version... tho it sounds like etch |
| 20:44.00 | wols_ | this is etch. and using the etch nvidia drivers of course doesn't work since back then 8800gt didn't exist |
| 20:44.21 | wols_ | illbiteyou: I already told you to use debian sid nvidia graphics drivers. since you don#t want to: stop whining like a brat |
| 20:44.44 | abrotman | not at bpo ? |
| 20:44.55 | cusco | and by the way, there is no 8800gt - there is gts and gtx |
| 20:44.58 | cusco | :p |
| 20:45.02 | wols_ | abrotman: not last I checked. one has to backport it manually |
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| 20:45.15 | wols_ | cusco: you are very mistaken |
| 20:45.19 | keith4_ | wols_: oddly enough, it sets BusID to the nvidia card, and then tries to use the i810 driver with it |
| 20:45.34 | illbiteyou | wols_ specifically which driver are you referring to? |
| 20:45.35 | wols_ | keith4_: check the xorg.conf so only nvidia is in there |
| 20:45.37 | misafir_ | I m turkish |
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| 20:45.46 | cusco | wols_: am I? |
| 20:45.46 | wols_ | the 10x one in sid |
| 20:45.55 | simonrvn | cusco: first hit off google: "New Nvidia GeForce 8800GT Surprises | Tom's Hardware" |
| 20:45.59 | wols_ | cusco: since around last november there is a nvidia 8800gt card |
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| 20:46.07 | illbiteyou | what is the name of it. |
| 20:46.16 | Dragon67 | hi i have download 3dvd from debian ftp |
| 20:46.19 | wols_ | illbiteyou: it's a source package. nvidia-graphics-driver |
| 20:46.20 | illbiteyou | google of "debian 10x driver" doesn't give me relevant results |
| 20:46.25 | keith4_ | is there a list somewhere of what's in "Standard System"? |
| 20:46.28 | cusco | ok sorry about that.. |
| 20:46.35 | simonrvn | !tell illbiteyou -about search |
| 20:46.36 | Dragon67 | which is about 12 gb how do install debian then? |
| 20:46.44 | wols_ | keith4_: "standard" in what way? |
| 20:46.49 | simonrvn | illbiteyou: try searching on debian sites first... |
| 20:46.56 | wols_ | Dragon67: you pop in the first DVD and boot from it |
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| 20:47.20 | keith4_ | wols_: in the netinst, at the tasksel step, there are a bunch of package groups, like "Desktop Environment" and "Standard System" |
| 20:47.21 | Dragon67 | wols_: when ever i install debian do i need 3 dvds ? |
| 20:47.26 | wols_ | Dragon67: tho all you'd needed was a 150MB (ca) ISO file |
| 20:47.30 | wols_ | not 3 full DVDs |
| 20:47.42 | wols_ | Dragon67: no you don't. all you need is a netinst CD |
| 20:47.43 | illbiteyou | Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 20:47.49 | illbiteyou | yep i guess i'm turning into labrat again |
| 20:47.53 | illbiteyou | 10x driver returns no results |
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| 20:47.57 | Dragon67 | wols_:WHERE do i download that ? |
| 20:48.01 | wols_ | keith4_: man tasksel. there is a way to get what each selection means |
| 20:48.06 | wols_ | !d-i |
| 20:48.06 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
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| 20:48.08 | wols_ | there |
| 20:48.11 | simonrvn | no, try knowing how to do a search first |
| 20:48.17 | illbiteyou | and i've searched ALL under the debian packages search |
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| 20:48.38 | wols_ | illbiteyou: you are mistaken. as usual |
| 20:48.44 | illbiteyou | seems everyone wants to blame the user for inadequecies in the OS. fuck.. the 9 series is coming out next f uc king month |
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| 20:48.47 | Dragon67 | wols_: because i download first dvd and try to install and it say i cannnot contiue... and it gave me error and i thought it need 3 dvd to be downloaded that is why i download that |
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| 20:48.56 | illbiteyou | youd' think the 8 series would be working already |
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| 20:49.09 | TrickFinlay2 | is anyone here running a cluster using debian? |
| 20:49.11 | Dragon67 | wols_: ok now i will delet this 12 gb what is the file i can download to install debian 4 |
| 20:49.24 | wols_ | illbiteyou: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/nvidia-graphics-drivers |
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| 20:49.32 | wols_ | wonders of miracles. sid now has 169 |
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| 20:49.40 | keith4_ | Dragon67: what arch? |
| 20:49.42 | wols_ | Dragon67: don't! |
| 20:50.03 | jelly-home | !confuse me |
| 20:50.03 | dpkg | No, those was my gerbil today, jelly-home? wellies of the democracy of mongolia with extra anchovies |
| 20:50.07 | wols_ | Dragon67: WHAT error did it give you? |
| 20:50.18 | Dragon67 | wols_: because i dont have enough space and yousaid i can install debian with 150 mb that is best way |
| 20:50.35 | Dragon67 | wols_: can not copy file from cd to .... in vmware |
| 20:50.44 | wols_ | Dragon67: since you already downlaoded all this, why download more yet again? |
| 20:51.01 | wols_ | keep the first DVD and install from that |
| 20:51.04 | Dragon67 | wols_: because i havent got enough space my hard is full |
| 20:51.17 | keith4_ | Dragon67: are you trying to install debian in vmware? |
| 20:51.20 | wols_ | you have 12GB. delete last 2 DVDs |
| 20:51.31 | Dragon67 | and also want to install it on my labtop |
| 20:51.40 | Dragon67 | Keith4 :yes |
| 20:52.08 | argnel | any lefties around? or someone willing to be a guinea pig? |
| 20:52.08 | xingu | wols_: unfortunately the 169 it has is buggier than a particularly buggy thing on a wildly buggy day. |
| 20:52.11 | keith4_ | which vmware? |
| 20:52.25 | Dragon67 | wols_: i want to copy that 150 mb to cd and then istall it to my old labtop which only have 10gb hard |
| 20:52.55 | xingu | wols_: 169.04 is basically the last usable one, 169.07 trashes textures under fairly mild provocation (say, ut2004 for eg) |
| 20:52.58 | Dragon67 | Keith4:vmware workstation 6.0.2 |
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| 20:53.17 | wols_ | xingu: eek :(. snapshot.debian.net then? |
| 20:53.29 | Enverex | Is there a script file that is executed on startup where I can just enter commands to be run at startup? |
| 20:53.33 | wols_ | does sdn cache non-free stuff? |
| 20:53.34 | xingu | wols_: nfi, I homebaked a 169.04 package :) |
| 20:53.39 | Dragon67 | wols_: how do i get this 150 mb? |
| 20:53.44 | wols_ | !tell Enverex about rc.local |
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| 20:53.53 | wols_ | Dragon67: by downloading it? |
| 20:53.55 | keith4_ | Dragon67: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 20:54.09 | keith4_ | netinst CD image |
| 20:54.12 | aleks | wols_ ok i created wpa_supplicant.conf added in section network ssid, key_mgmt, password and scan_ssid and i tried to connect using natworkManager and it connected but singal was only about 15% and then it disconnected since then i cant do this again... ;/ should i do something else ? |
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| 20:54.43 | Dragon67 | i use 64bit cpu then i have to download amd 64? |
| 20:54.46 | xingu | wols_: so the _good_ news is that when 169.07 works, it _flies_ for composited gtk apps; one step forward, two back. |
| 20:55.15 | Domini1 | Hi... I have very low english... I have problem with opengl on debian lenny (testing). |
| 20:55.17 | ben_goodger | Dragon67: i386 will work just as well, though not as fast (possibly) |
| 20:55.26 | wols_ | Domini1: what videocard? |
| 20:55.31 | xingu | wols_: oh yeah, 169.07 sets 8xxx fans to stun; upstream nvclock can deal, but they are (apparently) impressively loud. |
| 20:55.39 | cizzi | this is crazy.. etch is actually installing on my new hardware now.. i download a custom patched version that supports sata dvd drives and my nic |
| 20:55.39 | Domini1 | nvidia 6610 integre |
| 20:55.46 | cizzi | im gonna post a message to let others know |
| 20:55.50 | Enverex | wols_, Hrm, neither of the files referenced there work |
| 20:56.09 | wols_ | !tell Enverex about doesn't work |
| 20:56.12 | Dragon67 | ben_goodger: what is diffrent between netinst cd and whole dvd ?netinst can install full debian? |
| 20:56.13 | Domini1 | when I runnig aplications use opengl -- restarting gdm |
| 20:56.24 | wols_ | Domini1: what driver do you use? nv or nvidia? |
| 20:56.35 | wols_ | !pl |
| 20:56.35 | dpkg | [pl] perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 20:56.38 | Enverex | wols_, I wasn't "Vague" at all. That "help" thing you sent me references two files, neither of them exist |
| 20:56.45 | Domini1 | Xorg using driver nvidia |
| 20:56.53 | wols_ | Domini1: what nvidia version? |
| 20:57.01 | wols_ | Enverex: you on etch? |
| 20:57.02 | Domini1 | 6100 |
| 20:57.03 | ben_goodger | Dragon67: yes, the netinst can install fully. it only downloads what you need |
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| 20:57.22 | wols_ | Domini1: nvidia driver version I meant |
| 20:57.25 | illbiteyou | is tehre anything wrong with my sources.list ?http://pastebin.com/m5ae8bea5 |
| 20:57.30 | Domini1 | yyyyy. wait... |
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| 20:57.48 | Dragon67 | ben_goodger: can u give me source to find out more about netinst cd because i just wonder to know ,it is only 150 mb and do the job of 4gb |
| 20:57.57 | wols_ | illbiteyou: perfectly normal stable sources.list |
| 20:58.00 | Enverex | wols_, Nevermind, I just realised why it doesn't exist |
| 20:58.02 | Enverex | heh |
| 20:58.05 | Domini1 | NVIDIA DRIVER 169.09 |
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| 20:58.23 | wols_ | Domini1: why didn't you use the debian way(tm)? |
| 20:58.23 | ben_goodger | Dragon67: the 150mb is the installer. the _needed_ parts of the 4gb are downloaded when installing |
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| 20:58.50 | Domini1 | I use debian lenny (testing) |
| 20:59.07 | valdyn | cizzi: like this one: |
| 20:59.10 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 20:59.10 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 20:59.10 | Dragon67 | ben_goodger: download from internet ?if i dont have internet connection when i installed what would happen then? |
| 20:59.24 | Domini1 | sorry I very very low speak english |
| 20:59.37 | ben_goodger | Dragon67: it won't work if you don't have an internet connection |
| 20:59.40 | ben_goodger | you should use the DVD in that case |
| 21:00.00 | wols_ | Domini1: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 21:00.05 | wols_ | Domini1: in a pastebin |
| 21:00.44 | Dragon67 | ben_goodger: ok i mean for install debian on pc with out needing internet and anything else just a cd which file i should download ?i mean like just insert cd and installed |
| 21:00.48 | Domini1 | nothing (??) |
| 21:01.04 | Domini1 | I installed driver with binary file |
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| 21:01.32 | wols_ | Domini1: then best ask #nvidia |
| 21:01.33 | ben_goodger | Dragon67: lenny or etch? |
| 21:01.59 | ben_goodger | actually, ignore that |
| 21:02.00 | ben_goodger | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:02.07 | Ioan | what is a2ensite or something like this in apache ? |
| 21:02.07 | wols_ | !d-i |
| 21:02.07 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
| 21:02.12 | Dragon67 | ben_goodger: i dont know the diffrent just new to linux |
| 21:02.20 | wols_ | !ig |
| 21:02.20 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 21:02.26 | wols_ | Dragon67: read that installation guide |
| 21:02.40 | ben_goodger | those five DVDs cover the whole of debian without needing an internet connection |
| 21:02.44 | illbiteyou | what is with all these errors when trying to install those debian side packages.. |
| 21:02.45 | illbiteyou | http://pastebin.com/m7bce54fe |
| 21:02.46 | wols_ | Ioan: apache1 doesn't have those |
| 21:02.56 | keith4_ | Ioan: a2ensite/a2dissite and a2enmod/a2dismod enable and disable sites or modules.... see /etc/apache2/sites-available /etc/apach2/sites-enabled, and similar for modules |
| 21:03.17 | Dragon67 | wols_: thanks |
| 21:03.19 | Ioan | that is what I was looking for keith4 thanks |
| 21:03.21 | wols_ | !tell illbiteyou about bat |
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| 21:03.52 | Dragon67 | ben_goodger: but for installing with out internet the first cd is enough ? |
| 21:03.56 | Dragon67 | first dvd |
| 21:04.01 | Domini1 | wols_: This is my xorg.conf http://wklej.org/id/0a65e581ac |
| 21:04.08 | illbiteyou | apt-cache policy? |
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| 21:05.40 | Domini1 | reconfiguring xorg notging give |
| 21:05.41 | Dragon67 | ? |
| 21:06.12 | proprietarysucks | I got pptp connection to work last night then I went to sleep and it got disconnected. Now I am unable to get it up again =/ |
| 21:06.15 | proprietarysucks | this is what I get when trying to connect: http://nopaste.com/p/actOiu0b1 |
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| 21:06.28 | Domini1 | when I have running SuperTux, and other, have login screen |
| 21:07.02 | uwe | hi all. How on earth do I make Nautilus not open a new window every time I select a driectory? |
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| 21:07.16 | uwe | !nautilus |
| 21:07.16 | dpkg | somebody said nautilus was a file manager for GNOME, if you get 'paper' icons for everything, install gnome-icon-theme |
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| 21:07.31 | keith4_ | so, I did a fresh install of etch, and literally only installed ssh, xserver-xorg, and did the nvidia one-liner.... startx hangs with a black screen. xorg log: http://pastebin.ca/852450 |
| 21:07.38 | illbiteyou | when you mean apt-cach policy, do you mean this: http://pastebin.com/m5e24bca5 |
| 21:07.44 | illbiteyou | wols |
| 21:08.29 | Dragon67 | ben_goodger: for normal installition without internet which one is enough ?first dvd?or i can download cd? |
| 21:08.44 | aleks | hey should I do something else besides configure wpa_supplicant.conf to make my wireless work with wpa2 encryption ?? |
| 21:08.50 | keith4_ | the log was written very slow at the end, around the "WAIT" lines, and xorg was using 100% CPU during that time |
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| 21:09.35 | Domini1 | before form ok... I installed first supertux SDL-IMAGExxx and other... after restart computer have this. |
| 21:09.40 | illbiteyou | o well i guess i give up on installing my tech on my computer in debian. |
| 21:09.46 | illbiteyou | since it's obviously not supported |
| 21:10.02 | aleks | anyone ? |
| 21:10.08 | keith4_ | aleks: http://www.fmepnet.org/debian_wpa.html |
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| 21:11.12 | Domini1 | on ubuntu is ok... I wanna Debian :( |
| 21:11.30 | aleks | keith4_ : what should i write as wpa-driver in interfaces file if i use ndiswrapper ?? |
| 21:11.40 | valdyn | uwe: nautilus-file-management-properties |
| 21:11.51 | uwe | valdyn, thanks |
| 21:11.51 | wols_ | illbiteyou: the factoid said a lot more |
| 21:12.04 | illbiteyou | what factoid? |
| 21:12.06 | keith4_ | aleks: no idea... i don't use wpa |
| 21:12.08 | Gnurdux | uwe, in particular, Always open in browser windows |
| 21:12.10 | Gnurdux | second tab |
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| 21:12.16 | valdyn | uwe: 2nd tab, Always open in browser window |
| 21:12.23 | uwe | thanks! |
| 21:12.33 | aleks | me neither thats why im asking here |
| 21:12.42 | uwe | cool |
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| 21:13.10 | Domini1 | oki... bye bye. Good Night. |
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| 21:13.25 | uwe | bye all |
| 21:13.34 | Domini1 | bye. |
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| 21:14.00 | keith4_ | aleks: i would suggest reading /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz |
| 21:14.09 | illbiteyou | i wonder if the people in here have something personally against people with nvidia cards.. |
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| 21:14.21 | keith4_ | illbiteyou: not at all |
| 21:14.30 | keith4_ | lots of people use nvidia cards |
| 21:15.10 | sepski | illbiteyou, all my machines have nvidia cards. about 5 of them |
| 21:15.22 | dimir | NVidia r0x! |
| 21:15.26 | illbiteyou | wut kinds? |
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| 21:16.02 | dimir | I have GeForce2 MX/MX 400 on 2 desktop boxes! \o/ |
| 21:16.15 | sepski | my machines are not new anylonger. geforce2 and 4 iirc |
| 21:16.23 | dimir | I can Quack 3 with 100 FPS! |
| 21:16.31 | cusco | illbiteyou: I can tell you this for sure, I used the same driver Im using now witha 64bit kernel (tho all the packages were 32 bit) |
| 21:16.42 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 21:16.59 | cusco | illbiteyou: if you have a coredump perhaps you should try and contact nvidia driver developers instead of blaming debian |
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| 21:17.10 | cusco | illbiteyou: also you should try use a stable drivers instead of a beta one |
| 21:17.32 | cusco | and perhaps you should also stop pretending that everybody here hates you, that is not the case |
| 21:17.49 | illbiteyou | it seems so.. i come in with a genuine problem and all i get are insults |
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| 21:17.59 | valdyn | !whine |
| 21:17.59 | dpkg | well, whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 21:18.07 | illbiteyou | with words such as "idiot" |
| 21:18.14 | keith4_ | that was all me, buddy |
| 21:18.15 | valdyn | !lastlog idiot |
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| 21:18.21 | valdyn | ops! |
| 21:18.53 | illbiteyou | valdyn, i've read the fu ckign docs |
| 21:18.59 | illbiteyou | reading only gets you so far. |
| 21:19.13 | illbiteyou | why don't you read yourself into bed with a f ucking woman see how far that gets you |
| 21:19.39 | valdyn | illbiteyou: that's a safe way not to get help here |
| 21:19.41 | riganta | Hi Guys, I am runnung Debian etch on an AMD64 and I am trying to find a viable solution in order to have the flash plugin |
| 21:19.51 | illbiteyou | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers i've read this thing like 10 times |
| 21:19.53 | keith4_ | illbiteyou: you've been told at least 3 times that i've seen that you're not using a debian-packaged nvidia driver, and that you're on your own if you're using the nvidia installer, and you're still here for some reason? |
| 21:20.08 | valdyn | illbiteyou: you should try to give us information and use a release driver instead of a beta driver |
| 21:20.12 | riganta | I have tried gnash (mozilla plugin) but that screwed up my PC very badely |
| 21:20.22 | illbiteyou | i posted my errors |
| 21:20.41 | riganta | I need to be running etch only |
| 21:20.49 | riganta | anyone has any suggestion? |
| 21:20.59 | keith4_ | riganta: if gnash doesn't work, you're pretty much SOL |
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| 21:21.13 | nightwish86 | riganta: i think the only solution is to install iceweasel in chrooted environment |
| 21:21.21 | illbiteyou | apparently no one knows how to solve it.. yet taunt me endlessly with "read the thing, stop whining" |
| 21:21.32 | illbiteyou | i'm gonna do some real work now. bye |
| 21:21.40 | cusco | illbiteyou: don't come back |
| 21:21.45 | keith4_ | finally |
| 21:21.53 | keith4_ | riganta: a quick google search yields this: http://www.fsckin.com/2007/09/20/how-to-install-adobe-flash-player-for-amd64-64-bit-on-debian-etch/ |
| 21:21.58 | riganta | what about nspluginwrapper? chrooted environment wouldnt suit me at all |
| 21:22.03 | valdyn | keith4_: obsolete |
| 21:22.11 | valdyn | riganta: dont |
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| 21:22.45 | riganta | lord, I am really stuck then |
| 21:23.00 | riganta | none has come up with any solution yet? |
| 21:23.03 | wols_ | riganta: there are 3 ways: nspluginwrapper, a 32bit browser plus plugin (chroot) or gnash |
| 21:23.24 | valdyn | riganta: native packages are in sid, im not sure if those work in etch |
| 21:23.24 | wols_ | different people have various degrees of success with each |
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| 21:23.35 | wols_ | valdyn: native what? |
| 21:23.36 | valdyn | riganta: the link keith gave you should work too |
| 21:23.58 | valdyn | wols_: a working amd64.deb package containing and installing 32-bit flash properly |
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| 21:24.10 | valdyn | wols_: with dependency on nspluginwrapper etc |
| 21:24.16 | wols_ | valdyn: how would that work? bundles nspluginwrapper? |
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| 21:24.20 | wols_ | ah |
| 21:24.23 | riganta | that is for the nspluginwrapper sint it? |
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| 21:25.19 | valdyn | ok, i think using the sid package is the quickeset way |
| 21:25.24 | keith4_ | can anyone offer insight as to why my Xorg is stuck? http://pastebin.ca/852450 |
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| 21:26.52 | valdyn | riganta: grab the amd64 package from packages.debian.org, dpkg -i it, then see |
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| 21:27.06 | nightwish86 | @keith4 - there's no error in Xorg log. What you mean " stuck"? Is it gets frozen after some time ? |
| 21:27.09 | ravenbird | that's too long, nightwish86 |
| 21:27.09 | cizzi | is there a utility to configure x in debian commnand line? im trying to get a video card to work with startx |
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| 21:27.34 | valdyn | !drxx cizzi |
| 21:27.35 | dpkg | cizzi: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 21:27.46 | cizzi | thanks valdyn |
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| 21:29.24 | keith4_ | nightwish86: well, it takes about 30 seconds for that log to be written |
| 21:29.29 | keith4_ | and i get no output |
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| 21:30.22 | valdyn | keith4_: which part is written that slowly? |
| 21:31.12 | nightwish86 | keith4: maybe try to disable 'nvidia' module. vesa should run it well. It could be wrong version of driver (or smth ;)) |
| 21:31.50 | wols_ | keith4_: what nvidia card is it? |
| 21:32.02 | valdyn | NVIDIA GPU Quadro NVS 285 at PCI:2:0:0 |
| 21:32.20 | wols_ | hmm... what chip is that? quadros are outta my price range |
| 21:32.23 | nightwish86 | in log there's NVIDIA GPU Quadro NVS 285, so card is detected well, are you using beta drivers? |
| 21:32.52 | keith4_ | wols_ quadro nvs 285 |
| 21:33.01 | valdyn | keith4_: use the other display connector |
| 21:33.07 | keith4_ | valdyn: the WAIT lines take a very, verry long time to be written |
| 21:33.08 | valdyn | keith4_: you have 2, dont you? |
| 21:33.15 | wols_ | 6600gt or such? |
| 21:33.31 | keith4_ | valdyn: it's a low-profile card, so it's a high-density connector with a Y cable |
| 21:33.50 | valdyn | keith4_: whatever it is physically, use the other part of the Y then.. |
| 21:33.57 | keith4_ | ok, hold |
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| 21:34.26 | randomshadowbmg | how do i install unrar on debian64? |
| 21:34.27 | cizzi | still cant get startx to come up.. is there a generic driver or something? |
| 21:34.36 | randomshadowbmg | apt-get install unrar isnt working for me |
| 21:34.37 | cizzi | its an nvidia card with 256mb i took out of an HP computer |
| 21:34.37 | keith4_ | cizzi: vesa |
| 21:34.41 | ab3l | hi x11vnc can be set to listen only on an interface? |
| 21:34.44 | cizzi | thanks i'll try vesa |
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| 21:35.32 | ravenbird | Leaving. (courtesy of simonrvn). |
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| 21:35.44 | keith4_ | valdyn: same thing |
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| 21:36.08 | cizzi | keith4 - crap it worked |
| 21:36.10 | nightwish86 | ab3l: try "x11vnc host:0", if you specify 'host" as 'localhost" it should listen od 127.0.0.1 only |
| 21:36.18 | cizzi | i also changed the default resolutions though for my lcd to my optimal |
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| 21:36.28 | cizzi | not sure which one made it work |
| 21:36.28 | keith4_ | vesa driver isn't great, of course |
| 21:36.32 | keith4_ | try "nv" |
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| 21:36.36 | keith4_ | if you can live without 3D |
| 21:36.38 | cizzi | should i try again with nv and only my optimal res? |
| 21:36.44 | keith4_ | yah |
| 21:36.46 | cizzi | yeah i dont even use the gui much |
| 21:36.48 | cizzi | ok hang on brb |
| 21:37.31 | valdyn | keith4_: the driver thinks its working fine |
| 21:37.42 | valdyn | keith4_: is your card explicitely listed as supported? |
| 21:37.44 | cizzi | i forgot how to kill x |
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| 21:38.00 | cizzi | i want to retype startx but its still running obviously |
| 21:38.10 | cizzi | just like any other pid? |
| 21:38.14 | cizzi | kill pid |
| 21:38.14 | cizzi | ? |
| 21:38.30 | valdyn | cizzi: yes |
| 21:38.35 | cizzi | cool |
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| 21:38.58 | keith4_ | valdyn: listed where? |
| 21:39.09 | SixT6 | I'm installing lenny 32-bit on my new core2duo system. I've downloaded 3 different iso, live, full install, and the disk1 dvd. I've burned out the 2 cd-isos on 4 different computers on aprox 4 cds each, and burned out the dvd on 2 computers. All of the disks fail while loading modules after the "detect and mount cd-rom" step. I also tried 1 64-bit cd, and that one works. Does anyone have any clue what could be wrong? |
| 21:39.18 | valdyn | keith4_: /usr/share/doc maybe or www.nvidia.com |
| 21:39.20 | keith4_ | cizzi: also ctrl-alt-backspace will kill X if you're in X |
| 21:39.27 | ab3l | nightwish86: ;) i'd wanna be sure it can't be accessed from internet ;) |
| 21:40.01 | cizzi | didnt work so it wants VESA |
| 21:40.07 | cizzi | can I try vga? for better quality? |
| 21:40.09 | cizzi | or is vesa better? |
| 21:40.14 | valdyn | cizzi: vesa is better |
| 21:40.17 | cizzi | allright |
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| 21:41.27 | keith4_ | valdyn: the log seems to indicate that it supports it, though |
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| 21:42.46 | eth01 | is their a version of debian hardened btw? |
| 21:42.54 | wols_ | !harden |
| 21:42.54 | dpkg | i heard harden is D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
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| 21:43.33 | wols_ | SixT6: install etch |
| 21:43.45 | wols_ | SixT6: what is wrong is you using the wrong installer |
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| 21:43.55 | SixT6 | wols_: Tried etch too, that didn't work either, forgot to mention that |
| 21:44.09 | wols_ | !tell SixT6 about doesn't work |
| 21:44.21 | wols_ | !tell SixT6 about kmuto |
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| 21:46.03 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 21:46.03 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 21:46.08 | valdyn | SixT6: ^^^ |
| 21:46.57 | SixT6 | Ok, I'll repeat. When i insert the etch disk it shows the boot screen, I load the default kernel, and everything is fine and working properly (as far as I know) until I reach the step after 'detecting and mounting cd-rom' step. When it starts to load files from the disk it gets a read error, just like on the lenny disks |
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| 21:47.31 | wols_ | SixT6: shitty ATAPI controller :( |
| 21:47.37 | wols_ | typical for intel based boards |
| 21:47.38 | dvs | wols_: more like too new |
| 21:47.50 | wols_ | dvs: no |
| 21:47.54 | dvs | really? |
| 21:47.59 | wols_ | really |
| 21:48.12 | wols_ | intel chipsets have no atapi support anymore. and the replacement is utter shit |
| 21:48.21 | keith4_ | netboot! |
| 21:48.22 | wols_ | !stab JMicron |
| 21:48.28 | dvs | now why would... oh... this is Intel |
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| 21:49.11 | streuner | damog: how is life today? ;-) |
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| 21:49.36 | damog | streuner: good on the real life; bad on the virtual one. |
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| 21:49.53 | damog | they can take our channels off, but they won't take off their barbies! |
| 21:50.11 | wols_ | !be a whining barbie |
| 21:50.11 | dpkg | Aww, whining is HARD! Let's go shopping, wols_ |
| 21:50.13 | dvs | barbies? |
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| 21:51.25 | damog | wols_: i can give you #debian-offtopic logs for the 3/4 years i've been there. |
| 21:51.34 | damog | so you can grep and send them :) |
| 21:51.57 | wols_ | damog: I don't have the full logs of debian for any period of time, but I can let see... |
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| 21:52.17 | cizzi | im really thankfull for people who write custom .iso images for debian |
| 21:52.34 | eth01 | custom iso images? |
| 21:52.46 | wols_ | only 236MB |
| 21:52.48 | cizzi | well they add code (backport i think they call them) to support different new hardware |
| 21:52.59 | extor | I repeat: you have to reboot in order for the modules file to be created correctly. Until you reboot, it may be impossible to load some modules. Reboot as soon as this install is finished (Do not reboot right now, since you may not be able to boot back up until installation is over, but boot immediately after). I can not stress that too much. You need to reboot soon. <-- that is nothing to get scared about, right? |
| 21:53.04 | wols_ | I guess it'd be enough :) |
| 21:53.17 | eth01 | who does do these custom iso images btw? |
| 21:53.31 | dondelelcaro | extor: not really |
| 21:53.34 | dondelelcaro | eth01: anyone can |
| 21:53.35 | cizzi | i just know of one guy, the guy that wrote mine |
| 21:53.36 | dvs | extor: sounds scary but do what it says |
| 21:53.54 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 21:53.54 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 21:53.57 | valdyn | eth01: ^^ |
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| 21:55.05 | valdyn | eth01: stripping the debian part of that picture gives a picture |
| 21:55.13 | valdyn | eth01: stripping the debian part of that url gives a picture |
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| 21:56.14 | f0g | Anyone around to answer some of my questions about Debian in general? |
| 21:56.22 | keith4_ | about 832 people |
| 21:56.28 | eth01 | valdyn, i was looking for that link actually :p |
| 21:56.33 | keith4_ | (if you count the bot) |
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| 21:57.07 | Ronin | f0g: have to ask if first |
| 21:57.38 | f0g | Basically I'm jumping ship from Gentoo, and and looking around to try and find a new one. |
| 21:57.51 | f0g | Ive worked with Debian a lot, but the Stable/Unstable/Testing thing makes me a little... concerned. |
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| 21:58.02 | dvs | f0g: why? |
| 21:58.14 | f0g | Since Stable is the only one to get security releases, and it's, uh... old. |
| 21:58.30 | valdyn | f0g: no. |
| 21:58.30 | keith4_ | doesn't testing get security patches now? |
| 21:58.30 | dvs | f0g: they all get security fixes |
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| 21:58.50 | f0g | They do? |
| 21:58.54 | dvs | yup |
| 21:58.59 | f0g | Hrn. |
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| 21:59.04 | dvs | well, unstable is updated quickly anyways |
| 21:59.05 | valdyn | f0g: stable gets basically _only_ security releases, sid gets security fixes automagically |
| 21:59.29 | f0g | How is Debian at handling weird hardware? |
| 21:59.37 | valdyn | f0g: and lenny gets security fixes too afaik, i dont know the quality of those |
| 21:59.40 | dvs | define weird |
| 21:59.54 | valdyn | f0g: like any other linux kernel |
| 22:01.00 | f0g | True, but from distro to distro, supporting nasty hardware is easier or harder. |
| 22:01.10 | valdyn | f0g: I disagree |
| 22:01.11 | wols_ | f0g: not really |
| 22:01.14 | keith4_ | valdyn: i have an update... the Xorg PID keeps changing |
| 22:01.24 | rem_ | Hey ... Anyone knows squid conf here .. ? trying to stream mp3 from 1 squid through another squid (browsing works..but streaming doesnt ..) |
| 22:01.24 | DustyBin | f0g: you mean like a usb controlled penis? |
| 22:01.25 | valdyn | f0g: supported hardware depends on the kernel. Today distros stick close to mainline kernels |
| 22:01.44 | f0g | DustyBin: Basically. |
| 22:01.55 | keith4_ | almost like its crashing and starting again |
| 22:02.18 | rem_ | any clues .. ? |
| 22:02.30 | valdyn | keith4_: did you mess around installing nvidia any other way than the official debian way? |
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| 22:02.50 | keith4_ | valdyn: nope. i think i'm mistaken, though... hold on. getting my logs confused |
| 22:02.55 | f0g | Most people recommend installing sarge over sid or woody, correct? |
| 22:03.02 | asg | f0g: etch |
| 22:03.08 | yigal | lenny |
| 22:03.10 | dvs | f0g: yes |
| 22:03.10 | yigal | :) |
| 22:03.18 | dvs | oh etch, right |
| 22:03.22 | valdyn | f0g: woody is ancient, sarge is old, etch is the latest stable release |
| 22:03.23 | yigal | I like lenny |
| 22:03.31 | yigal | for desktop use |
| 22:03.36 | dvs | yigal: why do you like binoculars? |
| 22:03.38 | asg | yigal: no, lenny is not recommended unless you actually plan to contribute bug reports / fixes |
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| 22:04.15 | yigal | asg: what ever your desires, I just want a somewhat modern desktop |
| 22:04.18 | valdyn | f0g: you need to know that debian has an extreme policy regarding what deserves being called "stable" compared to gentoo |
| 22:04.32 | valdyn | f0g: thus, if you are used to gentoo you might find even sid not any less solid |
| 22:04.36 | asg | yigal: then run vista |
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| 22:04.59 | yigal | asg: how does your argument follow? |
| 22:05.04 | nuno_nunes | !pt |
| 22:05.04 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:05.05 | dvs | !lart asg |
| 22:05.09 | f0g | The naming scheme makes my brain hurt. Alright, so... |
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| 22:05.23 | ramiro | just a question: is the a command to show just the 1st line of a file ? |
| 22:05.26 | f0g | Stable is etch. |
| 22:05.31 | Ronin | f0g: yes |
| 22:05.31 | dvs | ramiro: head |
| 22:05.32 | valdyn | f0g: you are free to use stable / testing / unstable instead if that is more comfortable |
| 22:05.40 | abrotman | head -1 |
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| 22:05.48 | f0g | Can you change on a perpackage basis? |
| 22:05.59 | valdyn | f0g: no, unless you backport |
| 22:06.08 | valdyn | f0g: which is similar to an emerge actually |
| 22:06.11 | asg | yigal: define 'relatively modern desktop' |
| 22:06.14 | valdyn | f0g: it involves compiling |
| 22:06.19 | Dragon67 | i have just installed debian but in text mode how can i install gui like gnome intext mode |
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| 22:06.21 | f0g | valdyn: Well, you can always add a package ~arch. |
| 22:06.27 | Dragon67 | i have connection to internet |
| 22:06.29 | asg | Dragon67: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 22:06.37 | dvs | !tell Dragon67 about install gnome |
| 22:06.38 | wols_ | Dragon67: aptitude install gnome gdm xorg |
| 22:06.40 | f0g | valdyn: And then if there are dependencies that also need to be made ~arch, it'll yell. |
| 22:06.45 | yigal | asg: how does it follow that if I want a "relatively modern" desktop that I should use Vista? |
| 22:06.50 | valdyn | f0g: you can always backport an unstable package |
| 22:06.56 | signius | Hi guys |
| 22:07.12 | valdyn | f0g: its not really a supportable setup though if you mix untested combinations |
| 22:07.19 | asg | yigal: it's called a *joke*. |
| 22:07.20 | valdyn | f0g: but that is not really that different in gentoo |
| 22:07.36 | ramiro | dvs: ok, thanks... just one more.. now I want just the 2nd line |
| 22:07.38 | asg | yigal: I've had a 'relatively modern desktop' since potato |
| 22:07.56 | ramiro | head and tail |
| 22:07.57 | dvs | ramiro: head -2 | tail - 1 |
| 22:08.05 | ramiro | exactly |
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| 22:08.47 | signius | I am having a frigging nightmare trying to get Debian 4.0r2 onto an IBM306 using the onboard SATA configured as RAID1 i have mirrored the drives and initialised. But when i do the debian install it gets as far as starting the partioner and hangs at38% every time. |
| 22:08.56 | f0g | valdyn: Hrm. I guess so. |
| 22:09.06 | yigal | asg: using a laptop on etch is usually not easy one has to backport all sorts of things and in general it is easier imo to use testing. I use a laptop so perhaps I should have said that to begin with. |
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| 22:09.38 | dvs | signius: Try "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" (thanks Tarcas!) |
| 22:09.41 | signius | I am unsure as to what exact and also how to set the kernel parameters i did an lspci on a live CD and the actual STA raid controller is an Intel 6300ESB |
| 22:10.09 | valdyn | signius: why would you set a "kernel paramter" ? |
| 22:10.10 | signius | or even if i should have to with the kernel used in 4.0R2 |
| 22:10.28 | keith4_ | signius: how about using a live cd and bootstrap it? |
| 22:10.34 | valdyn | signius: if its a core2duo you probably want to use |
| 22:10.40 | dvs | signius: the kernel in 4.0r2 is the same version as 4.0r0 |
| 22:10.41 | signius | i thought it needed the driver for the controller thats why i thought it was hanging |
| 22:10.41 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 22:10.42 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 22:10.46 | valdyn | signius: ^^ |
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| 22:11.24 | signius | I have not installed Linux on a RAID array before and i been messing with the for over a day now and google is not being my friend |
| 22:11.44 | valdyn | signius: ask the vendor? |
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| 22:12.04 | valdyn | signius: use lspci output with |
| 22:12.07 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 22:12.07 | dpkg | somebody said driver locator was To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 22:12.10 | signius | no its pentium4 processor |
| 22:12.31 | valdyn | signius: ok, i wasnt actually meaning the cpu per se but new hardware |
| 22:12.39 | signius | the server is about 2yrs out of warranty |
| 22:12.48 | asg | yigal: etch runs just fine on my latitude d420 just as it did on my d610 and my R40. |
| 22:12.52 | signius | the server is about 3yrs old |
| 22:13.32 | Dragon67 | none of the command installgnome i mean asg> Dragon67: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 22:13.32 | Dragon67 | <dvs> !tell Dragon67 about install gnome |
| 22:13.32 | Dragon67 | <wols_> Dragon67: aptitude install gnome gdm xorg |
| 22:13.37 | signius | i will try the generic option nothing to lose |
| 22:13.41 | Dragon67 | whar |
| 22:13.47 | Dragon67 | what is the command |
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| 22:14.17 | dvs | Dragon67: wols said the command |
| 22:14.34 | Dragon67 | ok what is the right command |
| 22:14.35 | Dragon67 | ? |
| 22:14.47 | dvs | Dragon67: wols_ said the actual command |
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| 22:15.16 | Dragon67 | dvs: you mean aptitude install gnome gdm xorg? |
| 22:15.21 | dvs | plonk |
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| 22:15.33 | signius | Dragon the command dvs suggested above |
| 22:15.53 | Dragon67 | it doent work |
| 22:16.05 | valdyn | Dragon67: it works fine |
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| 22:17.14 | cizzi | im trying to get lm-sensors to work, i did everything but it doesnt detect my cpu, strange cause in fc8 it did |
| 22:17.19 | cizzi | i just installed debian on this sytem |
| 22:17.29 | cizzi | it just finds eepromss |
| 22:17.32 | Dragon67 | it give me some error such as couldnt find any package whose name or description match gdm and 3 more error |
| 22:17.33 | valdyn | cizzi: did you run "sensors-detect" ? |
| 22:17.34 | keith4_ | valdyn: the pid isn't changing, but Xorg is using 100% CPU |
| 22:17.38 | cizzi | valdyn - yes |
| 22:17.52 | valdyn | cizzi: uname -r |
| 22:17.53 | signius | Damn hang at exactly the same point "Starting up the partitioner" it starts at 38% and just hangs there every single frigging time |
| 22:17.57 | signius | this is driving me nuts |
| 22:18.02 | valdyn | cizzi: its a core2duo, isnt it? |
| 22:18.03 | cizzi | valdyn - 2.6.23-1-686 |
| 22:18.08 | cizzi | valdyn - no, quad core |
| 22:18.14 | valdyn | cizzi: ok |
| 22:18.21 | keith4_ | signius: you didn't download a daily build of the installer, did you |
| 22:18.21 | keith4_ | ? |
| 22:18.23 | valdyn | cizzi: your kernel supports this i think |
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| 22:18.37 | valdyn | cizzi: but your lm-sensors tools might not |
| 22:18.46 | signius | Hmmm that is a possibilty i guess but i dont think so |
| 22:18.48 | cizzi | valdyn - oh ok.. is there another tool? |
| 22:18.48 | signius | let me check |
| 22:19.22 | valdyn | cizzi: hold on |
| 22:19.26 | cizzi | valdyn - allright |
| 22:19.51 | valdyn | cizzi: try "modprobe it87" |
| 22:19.55 | cizzi | okay |
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| 22:20.23 | cizzi | FATAL: Error inserting it87 (/lib/modules/2.6.23-1-686/kernel/drivers/hwmon/it87.ko): No such device |
| 22:20.27 | signius | Keith4 no it was official stable |
| 22:20.40 | valdyn | cizzi: ok, wrong guess |
| 22:20.47 | cizzi | valdyn - np |
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| 22:21.02 | valdyn | cizzi: "modprobe coretemp" |
| 22:21.14 | signius | The netinsall iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 22:21.23 | cizzi | now sensors runs but doesnt give temps |
| 22:21.26 | cizzi | just 4 lines |
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| 22:21.37 | cizzi | this is one of them |
| 22:21.37 | cizzi | coretemp-isa-0000 |
| 22:21.38 | cizzi | Adapter: ISA adapter |
| 22:21.43 | valdyn | Core 0: +16.0°C (crit = +85.0°C) |
| 22:22.49 | cizzi | If I could only remember the modprobe command from fc |
| 22:22.49 | dvs | valdyn: man, that looks wrong! |
| 22:22.51 | cizzi | it worked |
| 22:22.59 | valdyn | dvs: nah |
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| 22:23.27 | valdyn | cizzi: i have 3 modules loaded, eeprom, coretemp, it87 |
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| 22:24.02 | cizzi | oh well |
| 22:24.10 | cizzi | doesnt work what can I say |
| 22:24.18 | cizzi | i'll keep looking |
| 22:24.34 | valdyn | cizzi: you can backport sid lm-sensors packages |
| 22:24.38 | wols_ | it's coretemp for the c2d. |
| 22:24.44 | wols_ | it87 is chipset stuff |
| 22:24.51 | valdyn | wols_: thanks |
| 22:24.56 | cizzi | valdyn - whats that mean? |
| 22:25.07 | valdyn | wols_: he's got 4 cores |
| 22:25.11 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 22:25.11 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 22:25.47 | signius | I wonder if its to do with the experimental warning thing that comes up just before it scans the disks |
| 22:25.56 | wols_ | valdyn: but they're 2 C2Ds |
| 22:26.02 | wols_ | just happen to be on a single die |
| 22:26.08 | keith4_ | signius: experimental support for your raid controller? |
| 22:26.14 | wols_ | or rather inside a single CPU packge |
| 22:26.17 | valdyn | wols_: so its his coretemp that doesnt support that yet, probably |
| 22:26.21 | signius | no to do with the partitioner |
| 22:26.29 | wols_ | that could be of course |
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| 22:26.47 | signius | i wonder if i do an expert install i will get more options and maybe get past this |
| 22:26.51 | signius | guess its worth a try |
| 22:27.50 | signius | If i do an expert install will i get the option to install any additonal kernel modules i might need suring the initial install ? |
| 22:28.17 | wols_ | yes |
| 22:28.29 | wols_ | but you can do it even without expert install |
| 22:28.33 | wols_ | what modules would you need? |
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| 22:28.46 | wols_ | signius: what installer do you use? |
| 22:28.58 | wols_ | and what raid controller/driver is it? |
| 22:29.18 | signius | i really dont know if a need a module for the sata raid controller so the installer can see the RAID1 array to do the install onto |
| 22:29.37 | wols_ | what controller is it? |
| 22:29.43 | signius | at the moment as soon as gets to scanning disks it hang on 38% |
| 22:29.54 | signius | lspci says it is a Intel 6300ESB |
| 22:30.06 | dvs | isn't that a CPU? |
| 22:30.44 | dvs | signius: it's ususally "ICH" something for intel |
| 22:30.47 | signius | no a few things show up as Intel 6300ESB in lspci but thats the specific listing expaling its the SATA RAID controller |
| 22:31.05 | wols_ | signius: is this a server? using Xeons? |
| 22:31.06 | signius | yeah it was an AHCI i think |
| 22:31.16 | signius | no just a normal Pentium 4 |
| 22:31.22 | wols_ | signius: that means no RAID controller. it's fakeraid |
| 22:31.44 | signius | yes it is a fake raid from i could find out on goodle |
| 22:31.48 | signius | google* |
| 22:31.57 | keith4_ | that would have been good to know |
| 22:32.13 | valdyn | 3 year old ahci? |
| 22:32.15 | signius | its an IBM ServRAID but its actaully an Intel |
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| 22:33.06 | valdyn | its ich5 i guess, not ahci |
| 22:33.30 | signius | Sorry if i didnt give enough info i am tired and got a headache from this but the help is very much needed and appreciated |
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| 22:33.57 | valdyn | signius: you were suggested to use |
| 22:34.00 | valdyn | !which hardware |
| 22:34.05 | valdyn | gah |
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| 22:34.09 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 22:34.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 22:34.13 | valdyn | signius: ^^^ |
| 22:34.40 | signius | oh sorry i didnt realise that link was for me i will check it out now |
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| 22:35.02 | valdyn | 00:1f.2 RAID bus controller: Intel Corporation 6300ESB SATA RAID .... ICH5: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:1f.1 |
| 22:35.03 | moo_cow | is kde4 available for debian other than compiling it? |
| 22:35.05 | valdyn | ^^ is from google |
| 22:35.23 | wols_ | !kde4 |
| 22:35.23 | dpkg | i guess kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. |
| 22:35.36 | dvs | heh |
| 22:35.37 | moo_cow | its complete |
| 22:35.43 | dvs | lenny will get kde4 |
| 22:35.45 | moo_cow | update your bot information |
| 22:35.55 | valdyn | signius: bios should provide to configurations for that thing, you dont want raid activated |
| 22:35.59 | valdyn | s/to/two/ |
| 22:36.31 | signius | Thanks valdyn why do not not want to configure the RAID in the adaptec BIOS tho |
| 22:36.49 | valdyn | signius: because that's a bullshit tech |
| 22:37.01 | signius | So i need to break the RAID1 mirroed raid |
| 22:37.04 | valdyn | signius: linux software raid is better in ever aspect |
| 22:37.08 | dvs | signius: the kernel RAID does a better job |
| 22:37.10 | valdyn | signius: linux software raid is better in every aspect |
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| 22:37.36 | kfb | moo_cow: KDE 4.0 is the first release of "KDE 4", but take note that the developers have clearly stated that KDE 4.0 is not KDE 4, but more of a base release with all the underlying systems ready to go, but with still a lot of work to be done on the user-visible side |
| 22:37.43 | wols_ | wth, lenny has a release schedule already? |
| 22:37.44 | kfb | moo_cow: I wouldn't say the kde 4.0 is complete |
| 22:37.49 | valdyn | signius: raid bios is slapped on everything with more than 1 port, that's pure marketing nonsense |
| 22:37.57 | cizzi | tried to download version 3 of lmsensors but it wont compile |
| 22:38.05 | cizzi | there's no apt-get for it |
| 22:38.28 | moo_cow | kde4.0 is the first release of kde4 but its not kde4 |
| 22:38.29 | wols_ | !info lm-sensors sid |
| 22:38.36 | dpkg | lm-sensors: (utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors), section utils, is extra. Version: 1:3.0.0-5 (sid), Packaged size: 186 kB, Installed size: 608 kB |
| 22:38.40 | wols_ | cizzi: look again |
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| 22:38.59 | cizzi | oh |
| 22:38.59 | kfb | moo_cow: right bugt kde 4.0 was just released they haven't released 'kde 4' yet because it's not ready to be released |
| 22:39.15 | moo_cow | its not called beta or alpha |
| 22:39.23 | jsubl2 | anyone know how to get lightning to work with icedove. I want to use google calendar plugin |
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| 22:39.30 | signius | it might help if i explain whats been happening with this server its known problem that the CMOS go quick on these servers its had 3 batteries in 3 years. This particular server ussualy runs a 2003sbs install for various reason. but when the battery goes the server reboots and microshite in its wisdon sees the raid it broke and tries to fix and runs a chkdsk and totaly fuckes the machine and the OS install so it wont boot and you cant recov |
| 22:39.41 | valdyn | cizzi: why does the simple sid backport not work for you? |
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| 22:39.47 | xsdg | jsubl2: what have you tried so far? |
| 22:40.00 | cizzi | valdyn - i dont know how to get it |
| 22:40.01 | signius | so i plan to install debian and run vmware server and run the winblowz os in the vmware on debian |
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| 22:40.17 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 22:40.17 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 22:40.21 | jsubl2 | googling.. building thunderbird from source |
| 22:40.21 | Dragon67 | i found the problem why gnome doent install the reason it that when i look at the /etc/apt/sources.list the source is cd it is not debian website |
| 22:40.30 | jsubl2 | neither are working |
| 22:40.34 | valdyn | cizzi: those instructiosn seem easy enough, where are you stuck? |
| 22:40.43 | xsdg | jsubl2: what architecture are you on? |
| 22:40.50 | jsubl2 | on amd64.. so downloading the x86 version did not work |
| 22:40.57 | Dragon67 | what is the source for debian website in order that my debain can download gnome from it? |
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| 22:41.07 | cizzi | add deb-src line? what do I add? just the text "deb src" ? |
| 22:41.10 | xsdg | jsubl2: aah, ::nod:: |
| 22:41.11 | kfb | moo_cow: beta or alpha are very different things -- if it's alpha I say it's not ready yet |
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| 22:41.19 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 22:41.19 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 22:41.27 | valdyn | Dragon67: ^^ read |
| 22:41.35 | moo_cow | kfb, its neither alpha or beta. its kde4. |
| 22:41.40 | chuck | i installed a gidentd, how do i make it start on bootup? |
| 22:41.49 | wols_ | !tell Dragon67 about sources.list |
| 22:41.53 | xsdg | jsubl2: what happens when you try to build thunderbird from source? (keep in mind that you can download the thunderbird source package to see the standard debian configure options |
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| 22:42.05 | dvs | chuck: /msg dpkg skeleton |
| 22:42.20 | wols_ | chuck: isn't it started by inetd? |
| 22:42.28 | Dragon67 | thanks |
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| 22:42.33 | valdyn | cizzi: you copy the stock line that starts with "deb http://"..... and paste it in another line and change "deb" to "deb-src" |
| 22:42.42 | valdyn | cizzi: and the "etch" to "sid" |
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| 22:42.56 | jsubl2 | error /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output |
| 22:43.00 | chuck | wols_: right now i'm starting it with /etc/init.d/gidentd start |
| 22:43.03 | valdyn | !deb-src |
| 22:43.03 | dpkg | well, deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free' |
| 22:43.03 | kfb | moo_cow: I don't think you know what you are talking about |
| 22:43.08 | jsubl2 | in xpcom/obsolete/component |
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| 22:43.20 | chuck | !skeleton |
| 22:43.21 | dvs | chuck: oh, so you want update-rc.d |
| 22:43.26 | chuck | sure |
| 22:43.30 | wols_ | chuck: update-rc.d |
| 22:43.35 | wols_ | chuck: or rcconf |
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| 22:43.57 | chuck | what should i do with update-rc.d |
| 22:44.02 | xsdg | jsubl2: weird; I've never seen that error before |
| 22:44.08 | signius | Before i get stuck into this again now i deleted the raid1 is it possible to configure the software raid during the install ? |
| 22:44.10 | wols_ | chuck: read its documentation |
| 22:44.11 | dvs | chuck: run it? well, man it first |
| 22:44.17 | valdyn | signius: yes |
| 22:44.17 | xsdg | jsubl2: regardless, you might try asking in irc.mozilla.org/#thunderbird |
| 22:44.19 | chuck | well what runlevel |
| 22:44.28 | wols_ | !runlevel |
| 22:44.28 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. |
| 22:44.28 | moo_cow | kfb, sure you know what you are talking about. you were saying that kde4.0 is the first release of kde4 but its not kde4. it is neither alpha nor beta, but its not a final release neither. |
| 22:44.29 | jsubl2 | xsdg: thanks. i will |
| 22:44.29 | xsdg | jsubl2: (and/or #lightning if it exists) |
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| 22:44.39 | xsdg | jsubl2: good luck |
| 22:44.41 | signius | ok i will have a google for a tutorial before i start |
| 22:44.52 | signius | valdyn thanks for help so far |
| 22:44.59 | valdyn | signius: there's an install guide ) |
| 22:45.14 | xsdg | rob: wow... it's sort of weird to see another freenode staffer named "rob" |
| 22:45.50 | valdyn | signius: mind, you can build several raids using partitions or just one using the whole disks |
| 22:45.57 | rob | xsdg, yeah, I've been using this nick for some time, well before lilo passed away |
| 22:46.33 | valdyn | signius: having several is preferable if you would split the system into partitions anyway |
| 22:46.34 | signius | valdyn i just need to create a RAID 1 |
| 22:46.50 | cizzi | valdyn - ok last step.. how do i install the resulting deb... ? |
| 22:47.07 | Dragon67 | it doesnt accept space between debian and etch :http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch .what shall i do |
| 22:47.10 | valdyn | cizzi: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 22:47.18 | cizzi | but i notice these files are still version 2.x |
| 22:47.43 | cizzi | oh no |
| 22:47.44 | valdyn | Dragon67: show the whole line or even better the whole file, on a paste site |
| 22:47.46 | wols_ | cizzi: cause you didn't get the source from sid but lenny or etch |
| 22:47.47 | cizzi | sensors3_ |
| 22:47.53 | cizzi | is that right? |
| 22:47.58 | cizzi | libsensors3_2.10.5-5_i386.deb |
| 22:48.06 | xsdg | Dragon67: you should replace <cc> with your country code |
| 22:48.07 | wols_ | it's 2.x |
| 22:48.09 | dvs | lenny has 3.0.0 of lmsensors so it's from etch |
| 22:48.10 | valdyn | Dragon67: if you literally used <cc> you should seriously learn to read ;) |
| 22:48.17 | kfb | moo_cow: right since it's not the final release I don't think it's ready to go into Debian Lenny |
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| 22:48.20 | cizzi | so its ok? |
| 22:48.22 | cizzi | the one i have |
| 22:48.23 | wols_ | cizzi: you were told to use sid repos |
| 22:48.26 | wols_ | cizzi: no it's not |
| 22:48.39 | valdyn | cizzi: thats only one, there should be another |
| 22:48.46 | cizzi | libsensors-dev_2.10.5-5_i386.deb |
| 22:48.51 | wols_ | valdyn: it's still the wrong version |
| 22:48.52 | valdyn | cizzi: oh geez |
| 22:48.52 | cizzi | yeah let me back track |
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| 22:48.54 | valdyn | wols_: yea.. |
| 22:48.55 | Dragon67 | i have done that |
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| 22:49.04 | Dragon67 | no i used uk |
| 22:49.07 | valdyn | cizzi: you might want to show us your deb-src line |
| 22:49.12 | Dragon67 | i am not that much stupid |
| 22:49.36 | cizzi | deb-src http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ sid main |
| 22:49.46 | Dragon67 | i think i didnt put deb in front of it |
| 22:49.51 | valdyn | cizzi: that is ok |
| 22:50.06 | jsubl2 | guess i will try my luck with unstable |
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| 22:50.14 | wols_ | cizzi: you ran aptitude update? and the repo there is up to date sid? |
| 22:50.22 | cizzi | yeah but i'll run it again to make sure |
| 22:50.23 | valdyn | cizzi: "aptitude update && apt-get -t sid -b source lm-sensors" |
| 22:50.45 | valdyn | cizzi: though the -t sid shouldnt be required |
| 22:50.51 | cizzi | doing it now |
| 22:50.53 | cizzi | waiting.. |
| 22:51.03 | cizzi | same files |
| 22:51.04 | cizzi | it put |
| 22:51.08 | cizzi | libsensors3_2.10.5-5_i386.deb |
| 22:51.18 | valdyn | cizzi: that doesnt PUT anything |
| 22:51.31 | valdyn | cizzi: is the compile THAT fast? |
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| 22:51.34 | dvs | I don't think yorku has the sources (at least I didn't put it in my source) |
| 22:51.37 | cizzi | valdyn - yeah |
| 22:51.48 | moo_cow | kfb, kde is never a final release. it will stay in development |
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| 22:52.13 | Dragon67 | is that error or it mean i have done it ok :malformed line 1 insource list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) |
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| 22:52.19 | cizzi | dvs - whats yoru source i'll try that |
| 22:52.24 | wols_ | Dragon67: error |
| 22:52.28 | Dragon67 | that show when i typed apt-get update |
| 22:52.38 | wols_ | Dragon67: pastebin your EXACT source.list file please |
| 22:52.40 | dvs | cizzi: deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 22:52.46 | wols_ | no paraphrasing, no typing in. EXACT paste |
| 22:52.49 | Dragon67 | wols_: could u please give me the full line of address i need to type |
| 22:52.51 | oush | can i ask why debian does not support commericail software that well? |
| 22:52.51 | dvs | cizzi: but use unstable instead of testing |
| 22:52.54 | wols_ | Dragon67: no |
| 22:53.07 | wols_ | Dragon67: you give US the full output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 22:53.09 | wols_ | Dragon67: you give US the full output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:53.21 | wols_ | !tell oush about dfsg |
| 22:53.24 | Dragon67 | wols_: ok because i am using vmware and can not copy it and paste it to paste bin |
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| 22:53.36 | CoolCubix | is it possible to superpose two directories when mouting ? ie. I mount two partitions on /media/place and the children directories appear to be mixed, whereas they do not actually belong the same partitions ? is it possible ? |
| 22:53.48 | dondelelcaro | CoolCubix: with a unionfs, yes. |
| 22:53.57 | CoolCubix | hmm thanks |
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| 22:54.06 | valdyn | cizzi: you are doing everthing right, but we gave you wrong instructions |
| 22:54.08 | CoolCubix | i'm gonna look it |
| 22:54.14 | CoolCubix | thanks for the tip |
| 22:54.21 | patrick-- | Hey, can someone tell me why my vsftpd "hangs"? when i logon i wait for ages for a dir listing, or it times out |
| 22:54.26 | stiv2k | hey anyone here use one of those Western Digital Passport hard drives ...? |
| 22:54.27 | cizzi | :) |
| 22:54.43 | valdyn | cizzi: the new package would be lm-sensors-3 |
| 22:54.46 | wols_ | stiv2k: the client behind a router and the ftp server too? |
| 22:54.47 | cizzi | lol |
| 22:54.53 | CoolCubix | just one more question, is it writeable ? because the system can't really know on which partition the new files should be written |
| 22:54.53 | dvs | !lart valdyn |
| 22:54.54 | cizzi | np |
| 22:54.57 | valdyn | !info lm-sensors sid |
| 22:54.57 | stiv2k | wols_: what? |
| 22:54.59 | dvs | exactly! |
| 22:55.01 | dpkg | lm-sensors: (utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors), section utils, is extra. Version: 1:3.0.0-5 (sid), Packaged size: 186 kB, Installed size: 608 kB |
| 22:55.01 | valdyn | !info lm-sensors etch |
| 22:55.03 | Dragon67 | wols_: where can i get sample of http address i mean how to type it in my sources |
| 22:55.09 | wols_ | stiv2k: wrong nick. sorry. |
| 22:55.10 | dpkg | lm-sensors: (utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors), section utils, is extra. Version: 1:2.10.1-3 (etch), Packaged size: 490 kB, Installed size: 1520 kB |
| 22:55.15 | wols_ | patrick--: the client behind a router and the ftp server too? |
| 22:55.20 | cizzi | so i do dpkg -i package.deb ? |
| 22:55.38 | patrick-- | sure |
| 22:55.50 | oush | but are you still able to install commericail software in debian? |
| 22:55.51 | valdyn | cizzi: "apt-get -b source libsensors3" |
| 22:55.52 | cizzi | there's 2 .deb packages |
| 22:55.59 | patrick-- | wols_: yupp |
| 22:56.01 | dondelelcaro | oush: nothing is stoping you. |
| 22:56.03 | wols_ | oush: yes |
| 22:56.10 | oush | and whats the main difference between Gnome and KDE? Why doesnt debian support KDE? |
| 22:56.11 | oush | ahh ok |
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| 22:56.22 | valdyn | cizzi: which ones? |
| 22:56.26 | oush | i was told debian was very hard to install commercial software and was told to stay well clear |
| 22:56.28 | wols_ | patrick--: that's why. no proper passive support by giving the vsftpd a high port range to use |
| 22:56.33 | cizzi | libsensors3_2.10.5-5_i386.deb and libsensors-dev_2.10.5-5_i386.deb |
| 22:56.35 | cizzi | do i install both? |
| 22:56.47 | patrick-- | wols_: how do i solve that? |
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| 22:57.01 | wols_ | patrick--: by portforwarding a high port range. |
| 22:57.11 | valdyn | oush: commerical software like linux? or commercial software like non-free software? |
| 22:57.15 | jelly-home | oush: a lot of commercial software only has support for a small number of distros |
| 22:57.17 | patrick-- | wols_: wat the client router side? |
| 22:57.25 | wols_ | patrick--: no. on the server side |
| 22:57.45 | Dragon67 | wols_: i ve done it |
| 22:57.49 | cizzi | valdyn just the first i think right |
| 22:57.50 | valdyn | cizzi: try those |
| 22:58.01 | jelly-home | oush: eg. you can install oracle on debian, but they won't give any support wrt OS issues |
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| 22:58.09 | patrick-- | mhh |
| 22:58.12 | valdyn | cizzi: thats not the new lm-sensors stuff ( version 3 .. ) but its newer than etch anyway |
| 22:58.13 | patrick-- | wols_: like what range? |
| 22:58.15 | wols_ | Dragon67: done what? |
| 22:58.26 | wols_ | patrick--: whatever you specify with the server. no fixed one |
| 22:58.26 | Dragon67 | what is the benefit of installing x windows server |
| 22:58.39 | wols_ | Dragon67: you get a local GUI |
| 22:58.49 | Dragon67 | wols_: sources.list |
| 22:58.58 | wols_ | Dragon67: I don't see a url where you pasted anything |
| 22:59.03 | Dragon67 | wols_: what would be the diffrent |
| 22:59.15 | cizzi | doesnt install any binaries |
| 22:59.26 | Dragon67 | wols_: no i mean i have correct my mistake ,because i didnt type main at the end |
| 22:59.28 | wols_ | do you know what text mode is and what a GUI is? do you know the difference between those? |
| 22:59.32 | valdyn | cizzi: umm? |
| 22:59.35 | Dragon67 | when i type then it work |
| 22:59.43 | wols_ | Dragon67: and? |
| 22:59.49 | cizzi | valdyn after i dpkg -i both .deb packages i type sensors it doesnt find anything |
| 22:59.53 | cizzi | and i did locate sensors |
| 22:59.54 | cizzi | nothing |
| 23:00.00 | wols_ | valdyn: lm-sensors... libs are no user runnable programs |
| 23:00.15 | wols_ | cizzi: locate only updates once per day. at 6:25 am |
| 23:00.17 | Dragon67 | wols_: and what is the different between when i install x windows and when i dont what is the affect |
| 23:00.29 | cizzi | i gotta go.. i'll continue later |
| 23:00.30 | cizzi | thanks |
| 23:00.31 | valdyn | cizzi: i see you had just 2 lib* packages |
| 23:00.34 | wols_ | Dragon67: without X you have no GUI |
| 23:00.42 | Dragon67 | ok |
| 23:01.01 | Dragon67 | how do i install x by apt-get install x-window-system ? |
| 23:01.13 | SixT6 | aptitude install xserver-xorg |
| 23:01.25 | valdyn | geez |
| 23:01.31 | valdyn | Dragon67: aptitude install xorg |
| 23:01.34 | stiv2k | Are there any open source backup utilities that are flexible that i can use with a portable hard drive ...? |
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| 23:01.41 | stiv2k | or if not open source at least free |
| 23:01.42 | valdyn | stiv2k: tons |
| 23:01.47 | stiv2k | cross platform? |
| 23:01.53 | valdyn | stiv2k: tons |
| 23:02.01 | stiv2k | valdyn: urls/names? |
| 23:02.10 | valdyn | stiv2k: apt-cache search backup |
| 23:02.27 | valdyn | stiv2k: or rsync alone is already flexible and can be used with a portable hard drive |
| 23:02.30 | stiv2k | im specifically looking for something that can work in windows and linux |
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| 23:02.41 | stiv2k | and that can perform encryption |
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| 23:04.46 | CoolCubix | stiv2k> is it just data (images, sounds, documents...) , or a whole OS ? |
| 23:04.49 | valdyn | rsyncrypto - rsync friendly encryption |
| 23:04.56 | valdyn | no idea if that compile on windows |
| 23:05.01 | valdyn | no idea if that compiles on windows |
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| 23:05.41 | stiv2k | CoolCubix: data |
| 23:05.52 | stiv2k | valdyn: i found something called Areca Backup |
| 23:05.58 | CoolCubix | take a look at Truecrypt |
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| 23:06.08 | y | Ok so I am unsuccessful in finding out how to set up static networking. I am not sure how to determine what my broadcast and gateway addresses are. |
| 23:06.08 | CoolCubix | it's about encrypted partitions |
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| 23:06.29 | valdyn | stiv2k: that's not free is it? |
| 23:06.41 | CoolCubix | it's free |
| 23:07.11 | CoolCubix | it's in the faq if you don't believe me :) i know the web page looks a bit like a commercial software |
| 23:07.34 | valdyn | CoolCubix: i can see its on sf |
| 23:07.35 | CoolCubix | oops i though the message was for me, sorry |
| 23:08.16 | valdyn | i wouldnt use java based stuff if i can avoid it |
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| 23:08.21 | valdyn | but that's just me |
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| 23:09.14 | moo_cow | this website doesnt say whether the downloads are stable, testing, or unstable. id like to get testing, and i think im getting stable from here. http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 23:09.29 | patrick-- | wols_:i dont think my vsftpd problem is about the ports |
| 23:09.35 | patrick-- | once im connected everything works okax |
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| 23:09.43 | patrick-- | okay |
| 23:09.45 | patrick-- | when "browsing" around the ftp server |
| 23:09.51 | valdyn | moo_cow: its stable, only stable is made for users, rest is for development |
| 23:10.00 | valdyn | moo_cow: hence if nothing else is mentioned its stable |
| 23:10.31 | wols_ | moo_cow: you don't want to install from lenny installers anyways |
| 23:10.34 | Dragon67 | i have install both of it x and gnome what is the command to go to gui mode? |
| 23:10.49 | wols_ | Dragon67: install gdm. as I told you hours ago |
| 23:10.51 | valdyn | Dragon67: "/etc/init.d/gdm start" |
| 23:11.03 | danf_1979 | startx Dragon67 |
| 23:11.04 | valdyn | or does that start automagically on install? |
| 23:11.12 | kingsley | Is it possible to diagnose where a kernel hangs at boot time with more specificity than the overview logged to virtual terminal 1? If so, how? |
| 23:11.16 | wols_ | valdyn: it usually sets itself as S99gdm |
| 23:11.21 | Dragon67 | wols_: not install run it i know u told me 1 hour (10 min ago) |
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| 23:11.30 | valdyn | kingsley: add printks in the code and recompile |
| 23:11.56 | Bauldrick | anyone help me with gphoto2 ? |
| 23:12.08 | valdyn | wols_: right, but is it started automigcally without reboot or runlevel switching? |
| 23:12.28 | moo_cow | is downloading debian stable and doing apt-get dist-upgrade the recommended way to get debian testing? |
| 23:12.30 | wols_ | hmmm.. not sure actually |
| 23:12.36 | valdyn | moo_cow: yes |
| 23:12.53 | \amethyst | moo_cow: unless you want to try out updates to the installer, yes |
| 23:13.23 | CoolCubix | moo_cow> each time i wanted to install testing, i want to the installer and got a fresh testing system as soon as installed |
| 23:13.33 | CoolCubix | moo_cow> but i can't say it's the perfect way |
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| 23:14.42 | CoolCubix | moo_cow> anyway I didn't got any problem with that (however, I did got some troubles when I installed stable and went to unstable... but I think I haven't taken care of what to do with unstable. testing is really more usable, i think) |
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| 23:19.28 | Dinorscio | good evening |
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| 23:23.57 | S4nD3r | Hi there!!! Is there any application that shows messages random to gnome envirornment? |
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| 23:25.05 | Dinorscio | I just installed debian with ppp-udeb (I just selected desktop environment) the installation went quite well and the system is good and working, my problem is that i dont have pppoe configured and I cant install pppoeconf because i dont have any acess to internet, is there anyway of doing this(configurate my pppoe connection)? |
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| 23:27.03 | S4nD3r | ?? |
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| 23:27.43 | CoolCubix | S4nD3r> you mean something like fortune ? |
| 23:27.44 | cizzi | whats the dpkg-configure command again to confifgure X? i want to take note if it |
| 23:27.50 | S4nD3r | Sure ! |
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| 23:28.08 | CoolCubix | so couple it with the "fish" applet for gnome |
| 23:28.47 | S4nD3r | I will try it ! Thanks |
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| 23:29.21 | acemi | cizzi: xserver-xorg |
| 23:29.22 | Tramp | !tell cizzi about drx |
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| 23:29.35 | cizzi | ty |
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| 23:30.59 | DustyBin | when using screen, does it make any difference if you activate different tasks within the same screen? or should you use screen individually for each task instead ? |
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| 23:31.14 | DustyBin | ie. control + a + c to create a new session |
| 23:31.22 | DustyBin | then control + a + n to flick though |
| 23:31.32 | DustyBin | or should you use screen blabla for each task you run |
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| 23:32.12 | Luke1704 | hello all |
| 23:32.15 | Tramp | DustyBin: I don't know what you mean by "task", but I'm pretty sure you can do whatever suits you |
| 23:32.21 | DustyBin | ok |
| 23:32.48 | Luke1704 | I am searching an svn client for etch |
| 23:32.57 | Luke1704 | Does anyone know what to do? |
| 23:34.16 | Tramp | Luke1704: apt-cache show subversion ? |
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| 23:34.55 | cizzi | whats the proper way to shutdown x? |
| 23:35.22 | Luke1704 | Tramp: yes, thank you! |
| 23:35.35 | Tramp | np |
| 23:36.49 | keith4_ | cizzi: stop gdm |
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| 23:37.08 | cizzi | ty |
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| 23:37.48 | Bauldrick | I want to rip photos from my camera to my NAS running debian - trying with gphoto2, failing - is there any other software? |
| 23:37.59 | keith4_ | picasa? |
| 23:38.09 | Bauldrick | no gui |
| 23:38.26 | keith4_ | does the camera use usb mass storage? |
| 23:38.35 | Bauldrick | can do |
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| 23:39.27 | Bauldrick | want to rip photos to directory then delete from camera, putting photos in folder by date time tetc |
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| 23:40.27 | oush | Hi whats the diffrenece between gnome and KDE? and why doesnt debian support KDE? |
| 23:40.54 | keith4_ | !kde4 |
| 23:40.54 | dpkg | [kde4] a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. |
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| 23:41.26 | Bauldrick | all automagically ofcourse? |
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| 23:41.55 | keith4_ | Bauldrick: dunno |
| 23:42.15 | jelly-home | Bauldrick: if your camera is usb-storage compliant, it's scripting time! |
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| 23:42.40 | Bauldrick | oh the joys |
| 23:42.43 | Bauldrick | !! |
| 23:42.43 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 23:43.20 | jetscreamer | then why not hold up the release |
| 23:43.32 | jetscreamer | since everybody will be going 'why don't you have kde4???' |
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| 23:44.12 | jetscreamer | better product or ontime release... |
| 23:44.14 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 23:44.20 | jetscreamer | i remember when it was the former |
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| 23:45.05 | mavhk | or both |
| 23:45.13 | jetscreamer | both is good |
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| 23:45.22 | oush | Hi whats the diffrenece between gnome and KDE? and why doesnt debian support KDE? |
| 23:45.44 | jetscreamer | debian supports debian kde packages |
| 23:46.07 | jetscreamer | the difference is like up left and up right |
| 23:46.14 | mavhk | or why doesn't kde support debian? |
| 23:46.25 | jetscreamer | or up a little tiny bit lft rt |
| 23:46.40 | jetscreamer | two different desktop packages |
| 23:46.55 | jetscreamer | it's like one editor vs another |
| 23:46.57 | jelly-home | oush: what do you mean by "why doesnt debian support KDE"? |
| 23:47.00 | jetscreamer | your choice |
| 23:47.03 | cizzi | is there an alternative to lm-sensors? |
| 23:47.14 | jetscreamer | there are front ends |
| 23:47.26 | cizzi | i mean to replace |
| 23:47.27 | docsnuggles | <cizzi>: mbmon |
| 23:47.30 | cizzi | thanks |
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| 23:47.52 | Bauldrick | jelly-home: I've already got it to rip from usb, but how to rm from camera |
| 23:47.53 | jetscreamer | oush: but gnome is gtk based and kde is qt |
| 23:48.09 | jetscreamer | is the major difference.. you can run apps from either in either |
| 23:48.13 | brif8 | trying to run dpkg-buildpackage and the final gcc -o is missing a library (1) where is this added I'm getting /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lafs for the afs library ? |
| 23:48.20 | jetscreamer | so doesn't matter cept the eyecandy really, imo |
| 23:48.39 | jelly-home | Bauldrick: if it's not usb-storage, I don't know. If it is, mount it and do whatever you want with the files |
| 23:49.37 | jetscreamer | usually ou just mount em as vfat |
| 23:49.41 | jetscreamer | you |
| 23:50.12 | jetscreamer | you put the camera on 'act like a hard drive' |
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| 23:50.15 | keith4_ | so, i upgraded to sid, went to kernel 2.6.23-1, built the nvidia module using m-a, and now X is worse than it was in etch |
| 23:50.32 | argnel | is there any way to find out what the previously installed package version was *after* the upgrade is complete? |
| 23:50.58 | keith4_ | http://pastebin.ca/852639 |
| 23:51.11 | keith4_ | argnel: look at the dpkg log |
| 23:51.18 | Bauldrick | what if it's not mounted in the same place each time?(noob me) currently use something . for USBS in /media/usb?* ; do..bla |
| 23:51.25 | jelly-home | argnel: if you're lucky, dpkg and aptitude logs for the previous installation |
| 23:51.43 | oush | what is gtk and gt? |
| 23:51.48 | oush | *qt |
| 23:52.16 | argnel | jelly-home: oh, maybe i'm lucky.. i have logs going back to dpkg.log.12.gz |
| 23:52.20 | jetscreamer | keith4: #apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev linux-headers-$(uname -r) && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.07-pkg0.run -anN --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
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| 23:52.35 | jetscreamer | problem solved |
| 23:52.39 | keith4_ | i think not |
| 23:52.43 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 23:53.02 | jetscreamer | oush: gtk.org |
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| 23:53.07 | jetscreamer | not sure about the qt site |
| 23:53.15 | jetscreamer | qt.org maybe who knows |
| 23:53.28 | keith4_ | nope |
| 23:53.31 | jelly-home | oush: those are libraries that provide consistent graphical interface elements (buttons, menus, etc) for the apps that use them. for details, google |
| 23:53.41 | keith4_ | http://trolltech.com/products/qt |
| 23:53.50 | jelly-home | !jfgi |
| 23:53.50 | dpkg | it has been said that jfgi is just fucking google it |
| 23:53.54 | oush | so why do some distros go with one and some go with other? |
| 23:54.02 | jetscreamer | choice |
| 23:54.03 | timonator | justfuckinggoogleit.com yes |
| 23:54.11 | oush | ahhh ok |
| 23:54.16 | oush | so no advantage over each one then ok |
| 23:54.21 | oush | i prefer gnome |
| 23:54.27 | oush | kde feels weirrd |
| 23:54.33 | jetscreamer | yeah but you get used to it |
| 23:54.36 | jelly-home | oush: why do some people use windows, some linux, and some macos? |
| 23:54.36 | jetscreamer | it's pretty tight |
| 23:54.43 | oush | debian support KDE? |
| 23:54.51 | timonator | of course |
| 23:54.55 | jetscreamer | there is no kde |
| 23:55.01 | oush | 0_o |
| 23:55.03 | jelly-home | there is only zuul |
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| 23:55.11 | oush | zuul? |
| 23:55.15 | jetscreamer | xul is god |
| 23:55.23 | methods | is there a simple way to create a deb just like using checkinstall use to be ? |
| 23:55.27 | jetscreamer | or lux, i forget |
| 23:55.38 | jelly-home | oush: nevermind, it's a joke to counter jetscreamer's dumb line |
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| 23:56.15 | oush | oh right ok |
| 23:56.19 | jetscreamer | the matrix has you, jelly-home |
| 23:56.26 | jelly-home | gosh darn, has noone watched Ghostbusters? |
| 23:56.30 | damog | methods: build the ar yourself |
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| 23:56.44 | methods | what ? |
| 23:57.02 | methods | whats that package that you can use to build local pkgs and it installs it in a seperate location ? |
| 23:57.53 | \amethyst | cd "$(dirname "$(locate "$1")")" |
| 23:57.54 | \amethyst | doh |
| 23:58.14 | jelly-home | ?too many quotes error |
| 23:59.36 | diafic | Anyone know what to do with mencoder so I can turn a .mkv into a .avi? |
| 23:59.52 | jetscreamer | yeah but ask in #mplayer |
| 23:59.53 | jelly-home | diafic: #mplayer might |
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