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| 00:00.05 | jamesnvc | dkr: Is there a debian-specific one? |
| 00:00.39 | dkr | well, yeah, having the kernel module is kind of important, heh |
| 00:00.40 | th1 | jamesnvc, just post it on some pastebin and paste the link whatever |
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| 00:00.43 | jamesnvc | Okay |
| 00:01.14 | th1 | I always use pastebin.ca because it was one of the first ;) |
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| 00:01.59 | jamesnvc | dkr: http://pastebin.com/d386e4cc1 |
| 00:02.15 | jamesnvc | th1: Go Canada, eh? |
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| 00:02.44 | themill | lun0s: wtf? You don't need to download kde for debian from the kde website. You should just run "aptitude install kde" |
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| 00:03.15 | Ronin | themill: they have no network and refust to get networking working first then kde |
| 00:03.21 | streuner | themill: his wireless NIC doesnt work and he didnt know what kind of iso he using |
| 00:03.23 | raz | btw, why is everybody mentioning aptitude instead of apt-get these days? i see it even on debian howtos. is apt-get deprecated or something? |
| 00:03.35 | themill | !tell raz about why aptitude |
| 00:03.36 | Ronin | !why aptitude |
| 00:03.36 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 00:03.38 | Ronin | doh |
| 00:03.45 | themill | !win themill |
| 00:03.45 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 00:03.50 | themill | yipee! |
| 00:03.53 | raz | hehe |
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| 00:04.10 | themill | wtfs all around then |
| 00:04.13 | raz | more advanced dependency resolution?! |
| 00:04.35 | lun0s | themill:None of that around here, we wil feed you to out vista eating trojans |
| 00:04.37 | themill | raz: apt-get sometimes says "you can't get there from here" |
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| 00:04.43 | raz | hum. the only memory i have of aptitude was the abysmal user interface |
| 00:05.06 | Ronin | raz: umm sure you dont mean taskel? |
| 00:05.14 | raz | well, lemme check :) |
| 00:05.17 | themill | raz: I never use the curses interface; it's mostly a drop-in replacement for apt-get commands (i.e. s/apt-get/aptitude/) |
| 00:05.30 | themill | Ronin: aptitudes ui is sucky too |
| 00:05.35 | cbr | when will kde4 be in testing? |
| 00:05.40 | Ronin | it has a ui? heh |
| 00:05.40 | mocker | wow, I'm supposed to stop using apt-get? |
| 00:05.42 | streuner | wir |
| 00:05.50 | mocker | the things you learn while hanging out on irc. :) |
| 00:05.50 | themill | cbr: it won't be for some months |
| 00:05.58 | Ronin | ewww so it does |
| 00:05.59 | cbr | oh damn :( |
| 00:06.08 | cbr | why not? |
| 00:06.29 | Ronin | raz: try from a term aptitude install foo one day |
| 00:06.39 | Ronin | no ui just a nice pretty cmd line |
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| 00:07.04 | themill | dpkg: kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html |
| 00:07.04 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 00:07.11 | themill | cbr ^^ |
| 00:07.22 | raz | Ronin, hmm.. yea seems to work. still i find the curses interface pretty useless |
| 00:07.37 | Ronin | raz: ya that ui is nasty |
| 00:07.52 | raz | especially i'm wondering why they built apt-get into it instead of fixing apt-get and leaving aptitude as a frontend that *uses* apt-get? |
| 00:08.04 | cbr | but lenny's release will be in years :p |
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| 00:08.17 | ianm_ | strange question... if I can connect to server A via SSH, and A can connect to B, but I can't connect to B directly, can I connect through A, but using my personal SSH key (which B does accept, because it used to be directly accessible), without putting that key on A? |
| 00:08.21 | themill | !lart cbr |
| 00:08.48 | Nyle | damog: pong |
| 00:09.01 | Nyle | rahul: ping |
| 00:09.28 | themill | ianm_: only if you tunnel the connection through A (look at the -L option to ssh) |
| 00:09.28 | moshii | ianm_: use a password on a? |
| 00:09.38 | flokuehn | recently, i updated from stable to testing. iam using xfce 4.4.2 and now i have to restart the xfce4-panel manualy everytime i reboot my system. what can i do, the panel starts automatically? |
| 00:09.46 | ianm_ | moshii: keys on both |
| 00:11.18 | Ronin | doomed that boy is doomed i say doomed |
| 00:11.44 | twiggz | DOOM |
| 00:11.56 | twiggz | DOOM DOOMDY DOOM |
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| 00:12.57 | konadr | well he's started asking lots more questions on #kde now anyway :) |
| 00:13.05 | jamesnvc | Sorry, I seem to have dropped off the earth for a moment |
| 00:13.15 | streuner | konadr: hehe |
| 00:13.35 | konadr | passing the buck and all that :) |
| 00:14.04 | xuser | who remembers that link that calculates the "modeline" for a monitor? |
| 00:14.20 | streuner | xuser: /msg dpkg listvals modeline |
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| 00:14.37 | xuser | thx |
| 00:14.58 | themill | !tell xuser about modeline |
| 00:15.20 | streuner | themill: thats too easy! :-) |
| 00:15.26 | themill | ;) |
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| 00:16.10 | jamesnvc | dkr: Would you have an idea why the kernel module wouldn't load? |
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| 00:17.04 | dkr | jamesnvc: try loading it yourself and see what the error is |
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| 00:17.33 | screamingbytes | is anyone else having speed issues with deb dl's? |
| 00:17.38 | jamesnvc | dkr: As in modprobe nvidia? |
| 00:18.06 | jamesnvc | That give "Not loading nvidia module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf", since I'm back to the nv driver... |
| 00:18.44 | twiggz | change nv to nvidia in your xorg.conf as long as you already ran the nvidia driver install from nvidia.com |
| 00:19.15 | jamesnvc | I got the nvidia driver via apt and m-a... |
| 00:19.20 | flokuehn | recently, i updated from stable to testing. iam using xfce 4.4.2 and now i have to restart the xfce4-panel manualy everytime i reboot my system. what can i do, the panel starts automatically? |
| 00:19.24 | jamesnvc | Will that still work? |
| 00:19.39 | themill | !nvidia |
| 00:19.39 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 00:20.03 | jamesnvc | Okay, I get "FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia" |
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| 00:26.04 | illbiteyou | how to change resolution ? |
| 00:26.16 | illbiteyou | for some reason after I installed nvidia drivers, my resolution went down a size |
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| 00:29.08 | illbiteyou | everything looks so big... |
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| 00:30.34 | dvs | illbiteyou: have you tried "Ctrl-Alt-NumPad +" ? |
| 00:32.31 | k31th | dont spose by any fluke chance anyone has used a Sangoma ADSL PCI card with Debian? |
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| 00:33.49 | tuv | jamesnvc, is that with m-a? |
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| 00:34.24 | jamesnvc | tuv: I built it with m-a, yes |
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| 00:34.45 | jamesnvc | That's the output after a "sudo modprob nvidia" |
| 00:35.07 | tuv | jamesnvc, which version of debian (testing, unstable, stable), and which version of nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 00:35.50 | jamesnvc | unstable, with nvidia-kernel-source 169.07-1 |
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| 00:37.27 | lufthanza | hello |
| 00:37.41 | jamesnvc | tuv: dmesg doesn't seem to say anything after modprobe.. |
| 00:37.50 | lufthanza | would someone like to help me get 3d accel working properly?? :) |
| 00:38.11 | abrotman | need more details |
| 00:38.22 | jamesnvc | lufthanza: Only if you help me do the same first :p |
| 00:39.00 | jamesnvc | abrotman: Oh, thanks by the way - a few days ago you helped me get my wireless working, but you were gone when I went to thank you |
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| 00:39.13 | abrotman | jamesnvc: that happens :) |
| 00:39.24 | tuv | jamesnvc, do you have /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-source.tar.bz2 or /usr/src/nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2? |
| 00:40.18 | raz | hm hm |
| 00:40.35 | jamesnvc | I seem to have nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 |
| 00:40.37 | raz | is there something like gentoos rc-update available for debian? |
| 00:40.48 | raz | the syntax for update-rc.d must be a bad joke |
| 00:40.51 | dkr | updaterc.d |
| 00:40.51 | jamesnvc | tuv: Do I need source as well? |
| 00:41.00 | dkr | or that |
| 00:41.14 | tuv | jamesnvc, that file is installed by the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 00:41.15 | raz | dkr, but that's obviously not for human consumption. |
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| 00:41.33 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 00:41.40 | abrotman | rcconf |
| 00:41.41 | dkr | raz: you have a peculiar definition of obvious. :) |
| 00:42.33 | tuv | jamesnvc, do you have either of them? |
| 00:42.50 | Nyle | hm |
| 00:42.59 | raz | dkr, well, my obvious: disable ssh in gentoo: "rc-update del ssh default" . disable ssh in debian: "update-rc.d sshd stop 20 2 3 4 5 ." |
| 00:43.02 | jamesnvc | tuv: I believe I have nvidia-kernel, as I did it via m-a |
| 00:43.21 | tuv | jamesnvc, that file is not affected by m-a |
| 00:43.24 | dkr | raz: more like "aptitude remove ssh" |
| 00:43.24 | raz | dkr, i know sysV init and the magic numbers but c'mon, are people actually typing that in? |
| 00:43.37 | lufthanza | testing one more thing |
| 00:43.47 | tuv | jamesnvc, just do ls /usr/src/nvidia-kernel*.tar.bz2 and type here what you get |
| 00:43.48 | raz | dkr, i'm not talkinga about removing the package, only about having it not start in certain runlevels (or just generally remove it from all runlevels) |
| 00:43.49 | jamesnvc | tuv: Oh, I do have nvidia-kernel-source installed too |
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| 00:44.07 | dkr | raz: you didn't read the man page very well,update-rc.d has default options as well |
| 00:44.13 | tuv | jamesnvc, you can't have the two tar.bz2 files. which one do you have |
| 00:44.15 | jamesnvc | tuv: Yeah, just /usr/src/nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 |
| 00:44.22 | Nyle | hm |
| 00:44.26 | Nyle | always again |
| 00:44.34 | tuv | jamesnvc, right. m-a expects to find /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-source.tar.bz2 |
| 00:44.34 | Nyle | !ping |
| 00:44.35 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:44.56 | dkr | raz: removing the package will certainly remove it from all runlevels. :) |
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| 00:45.30 | tuv | jamesnvc, so, first rm -r /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel, then ln -s /usr/src/nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-source.tar.bz2, then m-a |
| 00:45.53 | Tramp | raz: it's "ssh" not "sshd" and it would be "update-rc.d -f ssh remove" which is not that weird |
| 00:45.55 | raz | dkr, well, as said, i don't want to remove the pkg, only disable a daemon. and the only thing that "defaults" seems to do is *add* a service |
| 00:45.56 | tuv | jamesnvc, m-a a-i nvidia, that is |
| 00:46.09 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:46.10 | raz | Tramp, from the man-page: A common system administration error is to delete the links with the thought that this will "disable" the service, i.e., that this will prevent the service from being started. However, if all links have been deleted then the |
| 00:46.11 | Nyle | fixed now |
| 00:46.14 | raz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.15 | dvs | yay |
| 00:46.19 | raz | (oops sorry, irssi split that paste over two lines) |
| 00:46.22 | Nyle | my irssi was going crazy |
| 00:46.35 | dvs | then don't use irssi! |
| 00:46.37 | Nyle | I just was fixing my old theme |
| 00:46.42 | Nyle | thats all |
| 00:46.50 | Nyle | some of the format strings were screwey |
| 00:46.50 | dkr | or don't paste man pages. heh |
| 00:46.52 | jamesnvc | tuv: the m-a a-i nvidia worked before, the issue was just loading the module afterwards. Should I still do the above? |
| 00:47.14 | Nyle | I changed some colors, added some statusbar tweaks |
| 00:47.19 | Nyle | let me show you a screenshot |
| 00:47.27 | tuv | jamesnvc, i don't think you will have that problem if you do what i siad |
| 00:47.27 | Tramp | raz: hmm. Good point actually. Wasn't aware of that. |
| 00:47.30 | tuv | *said |
| 00:47.32 | jamesnvc | tuv: Okay |
| 00:47.42 | tuv | jamesnvc, usually nvidia-kernel-source used to install /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-source.tar.bz2. for some reason, recent nvidia-kernel-source packages (169+) installs nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 |
| 00:47.52 | raz | Tramp, yea it's quite amazing. update-rc.d has a shortcut for "remove" but acknowledges in its own man-page that it's the wrong thing to do. |
| 00:48.14 | raz | or rather, update-rc.d feels like something that needs a human-compatible wrapper |
| 00:48.41 | jamesnvc | tuv: Should I delete the .debs in /usr/src as well? |
| 00:48.52 | tuv | jamesnvc, not necessarily |
| 00:49.18 | jamesnvc | tuv: With them there, m-a says "Target package file /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-2.6.23-1-686_169.09+2.6.23-2_i386.deb already exists, not rebuilding!" |
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| 00:49.42 | jamesnvc | then goes "targeted version already installed, skipping." |
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| 00:49.48 | tuv | jamesnvc, then remove that particular deb, or rename it |
| 00:50.03 | Tramp | raz: for ssh there is a (deprecated) file with a wierd name you can touch in /etc/ssh, which is ckecked by the bootscript. For some other services, there is a flag in the /etc/default/-file which can be set. I personally think the latter method is preferable |
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| 00:50.44 | dkr | raz: gnome menu...desktop...administration...services = user-friendly sysv init control :) |
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| 00:51.33 | jamesnvc | tuv: Okay, building now... |
| 00:52.07 | raz | Tramp, dkr well, thanks for the pointers. as said i'm not looking specificially for ssh but for a general command line tool to use every day. i got a bit spoiled by gentoo (which is a bit more polished in some areas). right now i'm investigating the available packages. if i don't find a wrapper that satisfy me then i think i'll just sit down and write one this time. it's a small project after all :) |
| 00:52.11 | jamesnvc | tuv: Okay, done, still if I run "sudo modprobe nvidia", I get "FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia" |
| 00:53.16 | dkr | raz: nod,modifying run levels is not a common task, typically you either install software or remove it if not using it |
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| 00:54.03 | Nyle | hey was that dvs or dkr |
| 00:54.06 | dkr | well, that staement actually didn't make much sense |
| 00:54.12 | Nyle | there are too many of you 3 letter d xx people |
| 00:54.17 | Nyle | oh yes it was dvs |
| 00:54.36 | dkr | TLNs are an old school *nix geek tradition. :) |
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| 00:54.41 | Cromag | Im looking at syslog cron and other files in /var/log but where does it say when to rename and zip the files ? Where do i read something about that ? :) |
| 00:54.48 | Nyle | hey dvs, check out my new irssi theme i made, http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?2e916a0b97.jpg |
| 00:54.51 | dkr | (at least when they are your initials) |
| 00:55.12 | raz | dkr, well, sort of. admittedly i've found myself in the situation only a few times but often enough to realize that the gentoo way is indeed superior. gentoo never sets up a service for automatic startup right after installation. that's left as a manual step to me. |
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| 00:56.22 | raz | dkr, i mean, think about it. what's the first thing you do after "apt-get install" of a network daemon? well, ofcourse you stop it to change the default configuration for your needs. |
| 00:56.23 | tuv | jamesnvc, is the module loaded? (lsmod | grep nvidia) |
| 00:56.32 | Nyle | oh |
| 00:56.35 | Nyle | dvs left |
| 00:56.36 | Nyle | damnit |
| 00:56.42 | dkr | raz: sounds like a feeble compromise between on/off easy control versus explicit control of exact runlevels, heh |
| 00:56.47 | Tramp | Cromag: /etc/logrotate.d |
| 00:56.51 | Nyle | ok well whatever, dkr you're the next d something guy, check out my irssi theme |
| 00:57.02 | dkr | I use xchat. :) |
| 00:57.04 | Nyle | dkr, check out my new irssi theme i made, http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?2e916a0b97.jpg |
| 00:57.08 | Nyle | i don't care |
| 00:57.08 | magyar | hi, I am using Lenny with the latest patches, as of a week or so, I can't get qemu windows clients to connect to the internet. Does anyone having same settings? |
| 00:57.09 | Nyle | check it anyway ;) |
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| 00:57.16 | raz | dkr, feeble. hehe. quite diplomatic. i came to a slightly different conclusion; debian does crap, gentoo got it right. ;) |
| 00:57.41 | jamesnvc | tuv: Nope |
| 00:57.53 | Tramp | Cromag: as well as /etc/cron.d/sysklogd for the logfiles defined in syslog.conf |
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| 00:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenny has patches? |
| 00:58.05 | jamesnvc | raz: Is gentoo really that good? I've thought about it... |
| 00:58.12 | Cromag | Tramp: ah yes, thanks :) |
| 00:58.13 | Tramp | Cromag: aeh, /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
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| 00:58.27 | Cromag | hmm |
| 00:58.27 | Cromag | o |
| 00:58.35 | Nyle | thats right |
| 00:58.38 | Cromag | ill have a look, thanks :) |
| 00:58.42 | Nyle | im on xp pro x64 |
| 00:58.43 | Tramp | Cromag: that there are 2 mechanisms is ... aeh, the way it is. |
| 00:58.45 | Nyle | booyakasha |
| 00:59.15 | Cromag | Tramp: i wont hold it against anyone then :) |
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| 00:59.56 | Cromag | just missing the last thing for my own backup thing. |
| 01:00.16 | raz | jamesnvc, gentoo is really nice for desktops or even (if you dare) individual servers. but it's not without flaws either. the compiling gets on your nerves after a while (especially when fiddling with weighty packages) and imho it's not ready to be used in a server cluster because it's hard to keep multiple gentoo boxes in sync package-wise. you'd basically have to use rsync, there's nothing like FAI in gentoo-land. |
| 01:01.20 | Nyle | gentoo? |
| 01:01.32 | moshii | raz: surely the software is good for "the server" or the "the desktop" not the choice of packaging system? |
| 01:01.34 | Nyle | really nice for anything except endless hours of useless compiling? |
| 01:01.35 | raz | jamesnvc, but if you want the latest packages, gentoo is top choice. and surprisingly they even got an edge in terms of sanity over good'ol debian in some areas (see my rant about init-scripts above) |
| 01:01.46 | Nyle | for a desktop user who needs nothing to compile when he can get away with binaries |
| 01:01.55 | jamesnvc | raz: Cool...I think I'll try that next time I do a reinstall |
| 01:02.05 | Nyle | why in thier right mind would anyone want a source based distro, unless they had a readl reason for it |
| 01:02.08 | Nyle | I ask you |
| 01:02.11 | Nyle | why |
| 01:02.15 | raz | moshii, hmm. i don't think i understand your question :) |
| 01:02.16 | Nyle | a general desktop user, has no need for gentoo |
| 01:02.53 | moshii | raz: For a desktop you want X, and a desktop environment.. how it was packaged means shit if the end result is the same |
| 01:03.06 | Nyle | not quite moshii |
| 01:03.08 | moshii | raz: People over use this "server" thing |
| 01:03.09 | raz | Nyle, a "general desktop user" is on windows or osX. i'd say gentoo is for seasoned (and slightly bored or playful) linux-users who either just want to "try something else" or who really feel an urge to try the latest kde4 before it hits the other distros. |
| 01:03.26 | Nyle | raz: I agree |
| 01:03.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess the nice thing about gentoo is, that your binaries are optimized for your machine... so the compiling takes only 2h 57 instead of 3 h per day :-/ |
| 01:03.39 | Nyle | HGAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 01:03.40 | raz | moshii, the difference is, in gentoo you paste 3 lines from a howto, wait a day and have kde4. how's that in ubuntu? :) |
| 01:03.42 | Nyle | ohhh burn |
| 01:03.46 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: you da man |
| 01:03.53 | moshii | raz: kde4 is in experimental, you can compile stuff on debian just like your can on gentoo |
| 01:03.57 | screamingbytes | hehe |
| 01:04.03 | screamingbytes | i used to use gentoo |
| 01:04.20 | Nyle | i use gentoo almost exclusively on DSL |
| 01:04.23 | Nyle | or any live cds |
| 01:04.32 | Nyle | if a live cd don't have gentoo i aint usin it |
| 01:04.35 | raz | moshii, well. gentoo is built for experimenting like that. the tools are made for it and you get support everywhere. in debian you're on your own and break stuff very quickly. |
| 01:04.37 | Nyle | FM btw |
| 01:04.39 | Nyle | not distro |
| 01:04.46 | moshii | raz: same tools in debian |
| 01:04.56 | raz | moshii, oh, portage and overlays in debian? |
| 01:05.19 | moshii | raz: I don't see why you couldn't you can use netbsd's pkgsrc in debian |
| 01:05.32 | screamingbytes | my very first distro was rh/mandrake, (flame away) bought it boxed at costco before i learned about dl iso'd, i was using a 14.4 modem back then anyway |
| 01:05.47 | Gorbulas | you should be able to run Portage on Debian |
| 01:05.49 | Nyle | !topic |
| 01:05.49 | raz | moshii, you could and i'm sure it will be a painful expirience :) |
| 01:05.51 | screamingbytes | i wouldn't have wanted to dl an iso anyway and my burner was 1 speed or 2 speed can't recall |
| 01:05.56 | tuv | jamesnvc, are you running X (using another X driver)? are you running the same kernel version (uname -r) for which the nvidia-kernel package was built (found in the built .deb file name)? |
| 01:05.59 | moshii | raz: why? it's all the same stuff |
| 01:06.12 | moshii | raz: it's not like gentto uses a bsd libc or something major |
| 01:06.22 | dkr | because if it isn't the way *I* amused to, it is crap, of course. |
| 01:06.27 | dkr | am used to |
| 01:06.37 | Nyle | dkr: did you see my irssi theme? |
| 01:06.40 | screamingbytes | debian takes far too long to get just about anything done |
| 01:06.53 | themill | screamingbytes: then help the DDs do it faster |
| 01:06.55 | dkr | lol |
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| 01:07.16 | screamingbytes | oops, i meant gentoo |
| 01:07.29 | screamingbytes | vry sry, thats why i switched to deb, my bad |
| 01:07.50 | dkr | Nyle: nope. |
| 01:08.11 | raz | moshii, you're talking technical, i'm talking "getting stuff done in the real world". in gentoo it's "layman -a kde ; emerge kde" and, after some hours, kde4 is there. how's that on debian with whatever external aid? |
| 01:08.19 | tuv | jamesnvc, i just restarted X (on another machine) with 169.07-1, and it's working fine |
| 01:08.39 | moshii | raz: run portage on debian |
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| 01:08.47 | screamingbytes | i jumped ship on rh when the first new doc came out discussing going commercial, and went to gentoo, then jumped ship again and fell in love with deb |
| 01:08.56 | jamesnvc | tuv: Hmm... |
| 01:08.59 | raz | moshii, haha. |
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| 01:09.04 | moshii | raz: or just compile the source normally... or just use the packages that are already around |
| 01:09.07 | Agiofws | why does debiain link exim4 to sendmail ? |
| 01:09.18 | Agiofws | its not sending mu email |
| 01:09.21 | jamesnvc | tuv: A thought: I believe I installed nvidia with ENVY when I was running Etch |
| 01:09.22 | Agiofws | its not sending my email |
| 01:09.27 | Agiofws | to anyone |
| 01:09.28 | moshii | Agiofws: because it'll emulate sendmail |
| 01:09.30 | jamesnvc | tuv: Could that have messed it up? |
| 01:09.41 | raz | moshii, or just use gentoo, right? ;) |
| 01:09.44 | Agiofws | moshii, well its not doing a good job about it |
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| 01:09.58 | moshii | Agiofws: check you exim logs then |
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| 01:10.05 | tuv | jamesnvc, no idea. i always use m-a |
| 01:10.06 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.11 | wols_ | *properly |
| 01:10.22 | jamesnvc | tuv: Yeah, I'm using the 2.6.23-1-686 kernel, and the nvidia .deb is the same |
| 01:10.32 | moshii | raz: You're trying to make out that gentoo is somehow better "on the desktop" than debian.. I say you pulled that out of your arse |
| 01:10.44 | themill | Agiofws: because many utilities assume that there is a sendmail binary installed but you can only reasonably have one MTA on a machine. |
| 01:10.48 | Agiofws | can you help cause i was used to send mail |
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| 01:10.55 | raz | moshii, thanks for misquoting me. i said nothing like that. |
| 01:10.58 | o2T7 | hi |
| 01:11.09 | Agiofws | no exim4 i don;t know |
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| 01:11.24 | wols_ | Agiofws: maybe first state your problem |
| 01:11.43 | themill | raz, moshii: perhaps it's time to take this discussion elsewhere. |
| 01:11.53 | raz | themill, agree'd, i'm stopping already |
| 01:11.59 | moshii | raz: ok you said it's easier to compile applications on gentto because all the work has been do for you in protage.. begs the question though if you arent't capable of building applications what the hell are doing building applications? ;) |
| 01:12.16 | Agiofws | wols_, moshii stated http://rafb.net/p/xOw6L864.html |
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| 01:12.45 | Agiofws | though mutt can receive mail from pop gmail mutt canot send |
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| 01:13.04 | moshii | Agiofws: what about your /var/log/exim/mainlog? |
| 01:13.13 | o2T7 | Why does my usb module use so much CPU? `top` indicates an average use of about .95.8 percent |
| 01:13.20 | Agiofws | i used to 1) sendmail -bd 2) fetcmail 3) mutt -f mbox |
| 01:13.28 | Agiofws | ok checking |
| 01:13.41 | wols_ | Agiofws: dpkg-reconfigure your exim then |
| 01:14.04 | wols_ | o2T7: do you think we're psychic? |
| 01:14.09 | tuv | jamesnvc, dow many nvidia.ko are there in your /lib/modules/<current-kernel-version>? (find /lib/modules/<version> -name nvidia.ko |
| 01:14.29 | jamesnvc | tuv: Okay |
| 01:14.39 | themill | night all! |
| 01:14.45 | tuv | jamesnvc, and then dpkg -S <result> |
| 01:15.02 | o2T7 | wols_: Sorry, I am absolutely dissapointed |
| 01:15.25 | wols_ | o2T7: how about doing a propre problem description? |
| 01:15.34 | jamesnvc | tuv: okay, that yields "nvidia-kernel-2.6.23-1-686: /lib/modules/2.6.23-1-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko" |
| 01:15.48 | o2T7 | Well, it has to be with lpd, since lp is the user running the process |
| 01:16.00 | tuv | jamesnvc, looks ok! |
| 01:16.02 | wols_ | o2T7: you still talk gibberish |
| 01:16.06 | wols_ | o |
| 01:16.10 | o2T7 | My printer is an usb printer |
| 01:16.20 | o2T7 | And it is not connected |
| 01:16.30 | abrotman | !enter |
| 01:16.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 01:16.38 | tuv | jamesnvc, running out of ideas, i'd suggest a reboot (shamelessly) |
| 01:16.48 | wols_ | o2T7: stop talking until you finally know what you want to say. first think, then write |
| 01:17.02 | jamesnvc | tuv: Done that a few times :p |
| 01:17.05 | Agiofws | wols_, moshii this is what it says http://rafb.net/p/ajbaZk90.html |
| 01:17.07 | wols_ | and when you do, say it all at once in a concise understandable way |
| 01:17.15 | jamesnvc | tuv: Thanks alot for your help, in any case |
| 01:17.17 | Agiofws | wols_, you mean uninstall exim ? |
| 01:17.18 | tuv | jamesnvc, after installing the last m-a build |
| 01:17.20 | tuv | ? |
| 01:17.24 | wols_ | Agiofws: I already told you what to do |
| 01:17.40 | jamesnvc | tuv: Good point |
| 01:17.42 | wols_ | jamesnvc: depmod -a; modprobe nvidia |
| 01:17.57 | Agiofws | wols_, this is a new system whats tha t going to do ? |
| 01:18.00 | Agiofws | reninstall it ? |
| 01:18.09 | wols_ | Agiofws: no |
| 01:18.34 | jamesnvc | Hmm, now I get |
| 01:18.34 | jamesnvc | sh: /sbin/lrm-video: No such file or directory |
| 01:18.34 | jamesnvc | FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia |
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| 01:18.46 | wols_ | jamesnvc: you used automatix or shit like that. go away |
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| 01:19.28 | Nyle | haha |
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| 01:19.35 | Nyle | automatix |
| 01:19.39 | simonrvn | or it's ubuntu |
| 01:19.46 | kgoetz | wols_: well said |
| 01:19.56 | jamesnvc | wols_: no, no automatix |
| 01:20.04 | jamesnvc | and it's just debian |
| 01:20.06 | jamesnvc | :() |
| 01:20.08 | jamesnvc | :( |
| 01:20.10 | wols_ | jamesnvc: doesn't matter. it's no debian installre, ergo no debian problem |
| 01:20.24 | simonrvn | i saw stuff like that happening while this thing was ubuntu |
| 01:20.34 | Agiofws | wols_, :) thanks but which option do i choose to get my outgoing mail sent to my pop server and from there to the world ? |
| 01:20.39 | wols_ | simonrvn: it usually happens when you run ubuntu and use automatix or envy |
| 01:20.45 | jamesnvc | Yeah, I used envy before I updated |
| 01:20.48 | Agiofws | i'm like confused |
| 01:20.54 | wols_ | Agiofws: no popservre accepts mail for sending ever |
| 01:21.00 | jamesnvc | I thought I removed what it did, but I guess not |
| 01:21.17 | wols_ | that's the point of envy: it can't be removed cause it's shit |
| 01:21.27 | simonrvn | Agiofws: pop3ds don't send mail out, they're a mailstore |
| 01:21.30 | wols_ | which is one of the main reasons we don't like it |
| 01:21.47 | wols_ | Agiofws: but you probably want a smarthost |
| 01:21.48 | Nyle | \1ency |
| 01:21.50 | Nyle | !envy |
| 01:21.55 | Nyle | what is envy |
| 01:22.03 | wols_ | it's shit |
| 01:22.06 | jelly-home | Nyle: an installer for nvidia/ati |
| 01:22.07 | Agiofws | wols_, gmail does |
| 01:22.09 | Agiofws | though |
| 01:22.10 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:22.11 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 01:22.15 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.19 | wols_ | installs lots of proprietary shit in special interesting ways |
| 01:22.21 | Nyle | people are seriously fucking lazy |
| 01:22.22 | wols_ | Agiofws: no it does not |
| 01:22.29 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.30 | Agiofws | or |
| 01:22.31 | Nyle | take the time to do it properly, bu nooooo |
| 01:22.39 | Nyle | garbage in, garbage out |
| 01:22.46 | Agiofws | mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail this one ? |
| 01:23.07 | Nyle | you fucked the system with envy, and now the system is fucking with your time, and energy, and other stuff |
| 01:23.13 | wols_ | Agiofws: why can you NEVER read? |
| 01:23.14 | jamesnvc | Nyle: clealy |
| 01:23.16 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:23.22 | jamesnvc | *clearly |
| 01:23.49 | Nyle | and hold on |
| 01:23.51 | Agiofws | cause there are 2 smarthost options ? |
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| 01:24.06 | Nyle | why are you here? |
| 01:24.12 | Nyle | shouldn't you be in #ubuntu? |
| 01:24.17 | blindrat | is mencoder in debian? |
| 01:24.23 | Nyle | yes it is |
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| 01:24.37 | Nyle | !info mplayer etch |
| 01:24.42 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-12etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 4317 kB, Installed size: 9524 kB |
| 01:24.42 | Xenguy | blindrat: debian-multimedia.org IIRC |
| 01:24.43 | wols_ | Nyle: in an amazing coincidence the idiots who make those packages advertise them for ubuntu and dbeian alike |
| 01:24.46 | blindrat | I couldn't find it didn't come with mplayer and don't see an mencoder packagf |
| 01:24.50 | Saar | Agiofws: you can NOT use pop or imap to send out email |
| 01:24.52 | Nyle | wols_: for debian/ |
| 01:24.55 | wols_ | Nyle: mencoder |
| 01:24.59 | Saar | it's not an MTA |
| 01:25.00 | wols_ | Nyle: yes for debian |
| 01:25.13 | Nyle | and those ubuntu installers actually work on debian/ |
| 01:25.14 | wols_ | !tell blindrat about dmm |
| 01:25.22 | Nyle | what about dependency issues or other misisng pakcages? |
| 01:25.25 | Nyle | version differences |
| 01:25.25 | Nyle | ? |
| 01:25.26 | wols_ | yes. for low values for "work" |
| 01:25.47 | wols_ | dependencies are no issue. e.g. sid nvidia works for etch too |
| 01:26.08 | wols_ | nvidia makes them usable for a wide range of linuxes |
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| 01:26.31 | jelly-home | Nyle: do they have flash and java and stuff for that? |
| 01:26.33 | Saar | Agiofws: an MTA like exim will put email it receives in a file like /var/spool/mail/username in traiditonal unix format, then a pop3 or imap daemon willl deal with it the way they see fit |
| 01:26.41 | Nyle | jelly-home: WOW32 |
| 01:26.49 | Nyle | jelly-home: Windows On Windows, same as a 32bit chroot |
| 01:26.59 | Nyle | but on XP it is transparent for the user |
| 01:27.01 | wols_ | Nyle: and this works inside your 64bit browser? |
| 01:27.07 | Saar | Agiofws: rephrase your question |
| 01:27.07 | Nyle | no, 32bit |
| 01:27.15 | Nyle | I have a 64bit firefox but its unstable atm |
| 01:27.21 | wols_ | wonder who all this works in vista |
| 01:27.31 | jelly-home | Nyle: chroot setup is very unfriendly |
| 01:27.32 | wols_ | *how |
| 01:27.53 | Nyle | the only reason I'm here doing XP is becauase there are over 50 hours of voice acted professional oblivion mods with lots of new content |
| 01:28.03 | Nyle | soon as I'm done with oblivion, back to debian I boot |
| 01:28.19 | Nyle | jelly-home: I am aware, though if you know what you're doing its not AS bad |
| 01:28.21 | Nyle | as it could be |
| 01:28.25 | jelly-home | I use XP for work too :-) |
| 01:28.53 | Agiofws | i'm using POP |
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| 01:29.12 | dkr | Nyle: I dual boot debian/xp also just to play oblivion, heh |
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| 01:29.20 | Nyle | oh wow man you play too |
| 01:29.30 | Agiofws | but all exim or sendmail does is deliver my mail from my MUA to GMAIL and gmail send ityout to the rest of the world |
| 01:29.34 | Nyle | you know there is a mod for oblivion, multiplayer over tcp/ip |
| 01:29.48 | Nyle | dkr: you show up as an npc if you were to play with me |
| 01:29.58 | Nyle | we can trade items and all that, its beta, not worked on anymore I think |
| 01:29.59 | Agiofws | wols_, Saar http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mailsketchck6.jpg |
| 01:30.06 | Nyle | but it was a cool little project from australia i think |
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| 01:30.22 | Nyle | some students made a multiplayer mod for oblivion through some .exe hacking and other stuff |
| 01:30.24 | Saar | Agiofws: interesting :D |
| 01:30.29 | dkr | Nyle: oblivion not being an mmo is one of the big reasons I like it. heh |
| 01:30.29 | Nyle | implemented a client/server model |
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| 01:30.39 | Nyle | dkr: me too,I can't stand other people |
| 01:31.01 | dkr | introversion++ |
| 01:31.28 | Saar | Agiofws: looks like you want to send and receive email from internet |
| 01:31.32 | Nyle | I got morrowind plus mods and plugins to work on cedega |
| 01:31.35 | Saar | use that option on apt |
| 01:31.37 | Nyle | but oblivion crashes each time |
| 01:31.43 | Nyle | I have never gotten it to work |
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| 01:31.52 | Saar | set gmail to forward to your email server |
| 01:31.59 | Nyle | use imap with gmail |
| 01:32.03 | Nyle | pop == pffft |
| 01:32.05 | Agiofws | exactly |
| 01:32.17 | Nyle | now tht gmail has imap, why would you use pop? |
| 01:32.21 | Nyle | I mean... |
| 01:32.30 | Agiofws | Saar, i am gettting mail from my gmail |
| 01:32.34 | Agiofws | just can't send |
| 01:32.35 | Saar | right |
| 01:32.38 | Saar | well |
| 01:33.17 | Saar | is the MTA using a smarthost or sending email out directly? |
| 01:33.27 | Tramp | Agiofws: [02:22:48] <Agiofws> mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail this one ? <- here I thing you were pretty close. |
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| 01:33.49 | wols_ | he'd need to know what his smart host is |
| 01:33.52 | Saar | Agiofws: tell your MTA to send email directly to internet |
| 01:33.55 | wols_ | and if it's google, what port |
| 01:34.03 | Saar | no reason to use a smarthost i'd say |
| 01:34.12 | wols_ | Saar: then there will be various ISPs not accepting mail from him |
| 01:34.22 | Saar | perhaps |
| 01:34.27 | Agiofws | 2008-01-11 03:31:24 Start queue run: pid=18633 |
| 01:34.27 | Agiofws | 2008-01-11 03:31:33 1JD8k9-0004rf-TR <= agiofws@ixus.org U=agiofws P=local S=28253 |
| 01:34.31 | wols_ | not pheraps |
| 01:35.11 | Agiofws | ok reconfigure again |
| 01:35.14 | Saar | email is never guaranteed |
| 01:35.25 | Agiofws | sendmail is simpler |
| 01:35.29 | Saar | haha |
| 01:35.37 | Saar | not the configuration syntax :D |
| 01:35.54 | Saar | that's marginally less idiotic than binary code |
| 01:35.55 | Agiofws | 1) sendmail -bd 2) fetchmail 3) mutt and you are ready |
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| 01:36.35 | Agiofws | set up fetchmailrc muttrc procmailrc |
| 01:36.46 | Agiofws | no need to set up sendmail |
| 01:36.55 | Agiofws | just start it right ? |
| 01:36.56 | Saar | debian has a sendmail package i think |
| 01:37.02 | Agiofws | yes ? |
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| 01:37.10 | Agiofws | its emualted to exim4 :P |
| 01:37.19 | Saar | oh |
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| 01:37.23 | Agiofws | it points to exim4 |
| 01:37.23 | Saar | hm |
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| 01:37.25 | Agiofws | LOL |
| 01:37.28 | Laney | Try sending a mail with mutt and see if it works? |
| 01:37.48 | Saar | i dont think you can use gmail as a smarthost |
| 01:38.17 | Agiofws | i think i reconfugure again |
| 01:38.38 | Saar | http://packages.debian.org/etch/sendmail |
| 01:38.49 | blindrat | do I have to decode an mpeg and pipe it into mencoder? the manpage shows it taking the output of rar so I'm not sure if it will just read the file or if I need to pipe it decoded data |
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| 01:39.30 | dkr | blindrat: mencoder can do the decoding part,too. uhm, well decoding video not archival formats |
| 01:39.34 | wols_ | Saar: it can |
| 01:39.38 | Laney | blindrat: It just takes a filename |
| 01:39.43 | Saar | finding a smarthost may not be so easy if you have no access to a server somewhere outside |
| 01:40.08 | Saar | hm it can? |
| 01:40.28 | Saar | i think i wasn't able to find out when i researched it |
| 01:40.28 | blindrat | Laney: so take the example in the manpage mencoder -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=800 -ofps 24 - and replacce - with a file? |
| 01:40.45 | wols_ | needs smtpd auth however |
| 01:40.47 | Saar | but my isp allows sending and receiving on port 25 |
| 01:41.00 | Laney | blindrat: Should work, yes |
| 01:41.01 | dkr | with a video file.not a .rar file. yeah |
| 01:41.01 | Saar | ok |
| 01:41.45 | dkr | and -o outputfilename |
| 01:41.53 | blindrat | na I got an mpeg the example shows it piping a rar file into it |
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| 01:42.59 | pfo | hey guys - this is probably asked like a 1000 times; i need a nice/fast method to join multiple pdf files into one. any suggestions? |
| 01:43.10 | Laney | You probably *can*, but it definitely takes filenames too |
| 01:43.12 | Agiofws | Saar, neverf had that before using sendmail |
| 01:43.14 | Agiofws | http://rafb.net/p/2OFY0O10.html |
| 01:43.17 | Laney | pfo: I've used pdftk to do that |
| 01:43.49 | Laney | pfo: pdftk input1 input2 input3 cat output output.pdf |
| 01:43.50 | pfo | Laney: this is a tcl/tk wrapper around ghostscript? |
| 01:43.54 | Nyle | !ping |
| 01:43.55 | Nyle | whoah lag |
| 01:43.55 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:44.03 | Laney | pfo: I really don't know, sorry |
| 01:44.29 | pfo | Laney: thx! i'll give it a try. |
| 01:44.31 | Saar | Agiofws: means your ip is blacklisted on some dns block lists |
| 01:44.33 | abrotman | pfo: pdftk is the way to do that .. it's fairly fast |
| 01:44.34 | Laney | NP |
| 01:44.42 | Saar | happens with dynamic IPs, get a static IP :) |
| 01:44.50 | Agiofws | ? |
| 01:44.55 | Saar | i did for $6 a month extra :-| |
| 01:45.00 | Nyle | or use dyndns *dunno what is going on* |
| 01:45.09 | Nyle | its free |
| 01:45.33 | Saar | Agiofws: use sendmail and you will get the same problem |
| 01:45.47 | Saar | try to send a test email to a less anal domain |
| 01:46.03 | Saar | at least you see it was sent out, but rejected |
| 01:46.08 | pfo | hm, pdftk is a java based toolkit. |
| 01:46.16 | abrotman | !depends pdftk etch |
| 01:46.20 | dpkg | pdftk: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libgcj7-0 (>= 4.1.1-12), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12) |
| 01:46.29 | pfo | does it run with sun's jre? seems to need gcc's gjc. |
| 01:46.42 | abrotman | just libgcj .. not a big dlea |
| 01:46.43 | abrotman | deal |
| 01:46.47 | Agiofws | ok i'm going to my slackbox |
| 01:46.55 | Agiofws | i bet you it won't |
| 01:46.56 | Saar | Agiofws: in other words, hotmail DID receive your email, so your MTA IS set up correctly |
| 01:46.57 | pfo | i'm on gentoo, rebuilding my gcc takes _time_ :/ |
| 01:46.58 | Agiofws | ok ? |
| 01:47.08 | Agiofws | ok let me try it |
| 01:48.26 | dansushi | anyone here willing to help me fix midi on my computer? The main error i get with programs is that /dev/sequencer is already in use, and therefore i can't use it to play midi. |
| 01:48.31 | abrotman | pfo: so why are you asking us? |
| 01:48.48 | Agiofws | Saar, look a this one but i think sendmail gets away with that message |
| 01:48.50 | Agiofws | http://pastebin.ca/850197 |
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| 01:48.56 | Saar | dansushi: kill everything which may use the device |
| 01:49.01 | pfo | abrotman: a pdf merging tool is generic, so why not ask here? |
| 01:49.11 | abrotman | pfo: ask ##linux next time please |
| 01:49.24 | dansushi | Saar: there is nothing else possible using it |
| 01:49.29 | pfo | abrotman: it's not like pdftk runs only and exclusivley on debian :) |
| 01:49.41 | abrotman | pfo: so you're saying #gentoo is too stupid to answer your questions? |
| 01:49.42 | dansushi | it says that even when i start the application right after boot |
| 01:49.43 | cafuego | pfo: You discovered the reason we use Debian. Hurray! |
| 01:49.49 | pfo | abrotman: thx for the advice, pdftk is nice and i'll try it. |
| 01:50.04 | Saar | Agiofws: no matter which MTA you use, hoitmail will still block it, because it blocks it based on your IP not your MTA |
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| 01:50.26 | wols_ | Saar: and that's why you need a smarthost |
| 01:50.36 | Saar | dansushi: is the user you run it as allowed to use that device? |
| 01:50.37 | pfo | abrotman: theres no problem with #gentoo or whatsoever. i'm just too lazy to rebuild my toolchain :) |
| 01:50.38 | abrotman | not need .. but would be smart to use |
| 01:50.45 | abrotman | !d-i pfo |
| 01:50.45 | dpkg | pfo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:50.46 | Saar | wols_: i can send fine with a static IP |
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| 01:50.57 | winther | hi |
| 01:50.57 | dansushi | Saar: i'm not sure, how can i make sure of that |
| 01:51.00 | Saar | use a reputable provider and a staic IP |
| 01:51.06 | abrotman | dansushi: fuser or lsof |
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| 01:51.14 | wols_ | Saar: as sooner as you are listed in a dialup ip range and then a DNSRBL: no more |
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| 01:51.26 | wols_ | nothing to do with either |
| 01:51.28 | Saar | dansushi: hm chmod a+wr /dev/sequencer to test :) |
| 01:51.29 | abrotman | wouldn't be able to send to any mail server i use |
| 01:51.46 | pfo | abrotman: i don't want to switch distros. i just asked for a pdf merging tool and i got one recomended. everything's fine. k? |
| 01:51.48 | Saar | wols_: that goes for any IP |
| 01:51.52 | Agiofws | Saar, i think send mail gat away with it cause it uses gmail to take it to hotmail |
| 01:51.58 | winther | is there a way NOT to have any acess restrictions in a directory? Is it maybe possible to set a partition up in a way, that anybody can do whatever he wants on it? |
| 01:51.59 | abrotman | pfo: no freaking way! |
| 01:52.04 | Saar | any IP is in fear of being listed |
| 01:52.09 | Torbul | What is a good to use on Debian Etch as far as a media server goes? I want to stream video over my network and the internet (not web based) |
| 01:52.18 | abrotman | winther: ls -l /tmp/ |
| 01:52.20 | abrotman | erm .. -ld |
| 01:52.25 | Saar | Agiofws: well then configure exim to use gmail also |
| 01:52.28 | Saar | as smarthost |
| 01:52.48 | Saar | i.e. re run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and select the right option |
| 01:53.07 | winther | abrotman: that gives me "drwxrwxrwt 5 root root 8192 2008-01-11 03:34 /tmp/" as output. |
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| 01:53.29 | abrotman | that's what you've asked for AIUI |
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| 01:54.09 | dansushi | Saar: /dev/sequencer doesn't exist |
| 01:54.15 | Saar | ah |
| 01:54.38 | dansushi | how do i create it? |
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| 01:54.53 | wols_ | dansushi: does alsa work? |
| 01:54.58 | Saar | maybe run /dev/MAKEDEV? |
| 01:55.08 | dansushi | wols_: you mean normal sound? if so yes |
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| 01:55.23 | Saar | use a different device entry |
| 01:55.30 | Penix | modprobe snd_seq or snd_seq_midi... |
| 01:55.59 | Agiofws | Saar, lOOK it got sent |
| 01:56.01 | Agiofws | http://pastebin.ca/850204 |
| 01:56.06 | dansushi | Penix: comes up with nothing |
| 01:56.10 | Agiofws | but that was the slackbox |
| 01:56.14 | Agiofws | w |
| 01:56.17 | Agiofws | shit |
| 01:56.22 | Penix | dansushi: what? you get no output from that? your're not supposed to |
| 01:56.35 | Saar | Agiofws: YES ---> relay=smtp.gmail.com |
| 01:56.36 | Penix | dansushi: did it create a device node or mention anything in dmesg about it? |
| 01:56.43 | Saar | configure exim to do the same |
| 01:56.47 | Agiofws | ok |
| 01:56.51 | dansushi | oh, sorrry, i'll check |
| 01:57.06 | Agiofws | Saar, tell me how does sendmail know that ? |
| 01:57.07 | dansushi | ah, yes.. yes it did |
| 01:57.15 | Nyle | hey dudes |
| 01:57.23 | Agiofws | .sendmailrc ? |
| 01:57.28 | Agiofws | muttrc ? |
| 01:57.31 | Saar | dansushi: here sequencer is in /dev/.static/dev/sequencer after running MAKEDEV |
| 01:57.34 | Nyle | whats a good very very lightweight X www browser to use with the openurl script in irssi |
| 01:57.35 | Agiofws | fetchmairc ? |
| 01:57.43 | Nyle | firefox is too bloated |
| 01:57.48 | Penix | forget about makedev. it's 2008 |
| 01:57.50 | Nyle | dillo is not featureful anough |
| 01:57.58 | Nyle | something in between perhaps |
| 01:58.17 | Nyle | something that doesn't depend on tons of gnome or kde libs either |
| 01:58.19 | Saar | yeah i admit my /dev knowledge is outdated :D |
| 01:58.29 | Nyle | can't find a decent enough browser, feel free to suggest stuff :) |
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| 01:59.38 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.00 | Saar | Nyle: lynx in a terminal window ;-) |
| 02:01.14 | Saar | Agiofws: none |
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| 02:01.17 | diego_ | Hey.. Hello. Someone know how to fix one bug then i try to open the file's properties in gnome? |
| 02:01.28 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:01.29 | Penix | diego_: what? |
| 02:01.31 | Saar | Agiofws: enter smtp.gmail.com as smarthost |
| 02:01.55 | Saar | use smtp auth to authenticate at smtp.gmail.com... i guess |
| 02:01.55 | diego_ | When i try to open one file's properties it crashs |
| 02:02.01 | diego_ | I am using Lenny |
| 02:02.06 | diego_ | with gnome |
| 02:02.11 | dkr | diego_: video file? |
| 02:02.13 | Penix | diego_: is it just one certain file, or all files? |
| 02:02.22 | diego_ | All files |
| 02:02.36 | Penix | check the bts first I guess |
| 02:02.41 | dkr | diego_: using nautilus? |
| 02:02.49 | diego_ | Yeh |
| 02:02.56 | Saar | Agiofws: you dont want your MTA to relay email |
| 02:03.11 | diego_ | Only with nautilus, when i open in desktop it does not crash |
| 02:03.30 | dkr | weird, the desktop is nautilus, too :) |
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| 02:03.42 | diego_ | Well.. It crashed u.u |
| 02:03.49 | dkr | it;s good clue, though |
| 02:03.58 | diego_ | Last time it doenst, now it crashed too.. |
| 02:04.27 | abrotman | "it" being ? |
| 02:04.34 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:04.42 | diego_ | It's crashing.. :S |
| 02:04.55 | genioreal | What is the location of the directory of C header files on debian lenny? i tried searching on /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/* but i dont got an include dir on it... any idea? |
| 02:05.09 | Agiofws | ok so i use the second option ? |
| 02:05.18 | diego_ | Everytime i try to open properties :/ Do i need to reinstall it ? |
| 02:05.19 | Agiofws | cause its tsill not working |
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| 02:05.30 | dkr | genioreal: /usr/include |
| 02:05.32 | Agiofws | fscking exim! |
| 02:05.37 | genioreal | ok thxs dkr |
| 02:05.48 | Saar | Agiofws: hm, use smarthost for outgoing |
| 02:06.04 | Agiofws | Saar, 2 options |
| 02:06.06 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.06 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.12 | Agiofws | ? |
| 02:06.16 | stew | genioreal: header files for what? |
| 02:06.17 | Saar | second yes |
| 02:06.20 | Agiofws | ok |
| 02:06.21 | Saar | mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail |
| 02:06.32 | genioreal | stew: im installing vmware workstation |
| 02:06.43 | genioreal | The directory of kernel headers (version @@VMWARE@@ UTS_RELEASE) does not match |
| 02:06.43 | genioreal | your running kernel (version 2.6.22-3-686). Even if the module were to compile |
| 02:06.43 | genioreal | successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. |
| 02:06.51 | genioreal | uff sorry 4 that |
| 02:07.02 | diego_ | Someone knows how to fix it? |
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| 02:08.11 | Saar | have to run, good luck |
| 02:08.16 | Agiofws | still not F working \ |
| 02:08.39 | Agiofws | Saar, thanks for your suppot though |
| 02:08.45 | Penix | diego_: you're using lenny, right? |
| 02:08.57 | diego_ | Yes |
| 02:09.05 | Agiofws | Saar, 2nd option doesn't even connect to the net |
| 02:09.32 | diego_ | with GNOME nautilus 2.18.3 |
| 02:09.33 | Saar | it does |
| 02:09.48 | Saar | just configure the right smarthost |
| 02:09.53 | Penix | diego_: read this bugs.debian.org/457357 and this bugs.debian.org/459147 |
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| 02:10.24 | Agiofws | i did |
| 02:10.28 | diego_ | Thanks Penix |
| 02:10.32 | diego_ | I will read :) |
| 02:10.33 | Agiofws | smpt,google.com ? |
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| 02:13.17 | Agiofws | Saar, Please enter a semicolon-separated list of IP address ranges for which this system will unconditionally relay mail, │ |
| 02:13.18 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.26 | Agiofws | no |
| 02:14.04 | abrotman | smtp |
| 02:14.04 | abrotman | . |
| 02:14.30 | blindrat | how come I can't get zenity to show the progress of mplayer? what the hell format is it expecting the data to track progress? |
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| 02:14.44 | blindrat | mencoder is outputting among the data a percentage and a time remaining |
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| 02:15.02 | blindrat | erm I mean mencoder |
| 02:16.31 | blindrat | Pos: 1.5s 49f ( 0%) 14.09fps Trem: 6min 31mb A-V:0.044 [1214:181] |
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| 02:22.02 | Cromag | is it possible to run a hidden file as a cronjob ? |
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| 02:25.24 | abrotman | Cromag: why would you hide it ? |
| 02:25.41 | Cromag | the script ? |
| 02:26.56 | Cromag | no reason for it to be shown. |
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| 02:28.01 | liable | no reason to hide it either |
| 02:28.19 | wols | at least no good one |
| 02:28.48 | Cromag | it is just to be sure the user using the shell wont see it, and delete it. |
| 02:29.10 | Cromag | i could rename it DONTDELETE |
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| 02:29.14 | wols | then don't run it as the suer |
| 02:29.18 | abrotman | Cromag: why is it in their $HOME ? |
| 02:29.18 | wols | *user |
| 02:29.37 | Cromag | should i run it as root ? |
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| 02:31.11 | Cromag | but ok, i just wondered if it were possible :) |
| 02:32.09 | abrotman | try it |
| 02:32.23 | Cromag | thanks. |
| 02:33.06 | rafuch0 | vallla esta para unix tambien |
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| 02:34.26 | Onyx | I'm trying to figure out the exact URL that a file is located. (https://crl.chamb.disa.mil/getcrlzip?ALL+CRL+ZIP) I'm assuming they're parsing through a readfile -- I've tried to resolve it using wget, did a TCPDump, and at this point, I'm stuck. |
| 02:35.46 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:35.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 02:44.41 | hark | Onyx: just use --no-check-certificate with wget to get the file |
| 02:45.05 | Onyx | hark: I'm trying to resolve the URL to its exact location -- downloading the file isn't the issue. |
| 02:46.08 | Gorbulas | if I'm putting three disks into a raid array and want the data to be safe if one drive should fail, that's raid 5? |
| 02:46.43 | moshii | Gorbulas: wikipedia has a good summary |
| 02:47.05 | Gorbulas | it doesn't make clear what the differences mean |
| 02:48.14 | moshii | Gorbulas: if you have parity you can rebuild as much data as you have parity |
| 02:48.34 | abrotman | Gorbulas: that's one method |
| 02:48.48 | moshii | Gorbulas: but it can be slow.. so sometimes mirroring is choosen instead |
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| 02:49.06 | abrotman | !raid |
| 02:49.06 | dpkg | somebody said raid was Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <Software Raid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels, or a type of bug spray |
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| 02:54.28 | hark | Onyx: huh, and just how are you going to get that? |
| 02:54.35 | Gorbulas | 5 is a good choice if the disks are small and I need to be protected from a failure? |
| 02:54.54 | Onyx | hark: That's the point of me asking... |
| 02:54.55 | dondelelcaro | Gorbulas: it's a reasonable one |
| 02:55.14 | cherry232 | hey, libc6 (2.6.1-3) is installed on my system - to get libncurses5-dev working libc6 (2.3.6.ds1-13etch4) is required... i cant downgrade cause of very much other packages requiring 2.3.6.1... is there a way to get libncurses5-dev working? |
| 02:55.26 | dondelelcaro | Gorbulas: though you should also have backups; raid only protects you a bit from hardware failures, not filesystem failures or operator error |
| 02:55.58 | dondelelcaro | cherry232: install the libncurses5-dev package from testing or whatever distribution you've half upgraded to. |
| 02:56.38 | Gorbulas | I need to log off so I can put in the third drive and start reinstalling |
| 02:56.46 | Gorbulas | hopefully I'll be back :) |
| 02:56.54 | moshii | Gorbulas: re-install? |
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| 02:57.16 | Gorbulas | the server/router is running an outdated build of Gentoo |
| 02:57.16 | moshii | Gorbulas: you can move to a raid without reinstalling :) |
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| 03:06.11 | blindrat | anyone know what is the mencoder command to scale a video down? its not liking -vf scale=w:h which seems to be what the manual says |
| 03:06.41 | abrotman | blindrat: i think you want #mplayer |
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| 03:07.30 | blindrat | abrotman: I asked in there but they seem to be ignoring me, and the last question I asked in both places earlier slightly later in here and it got answered here first |
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| 03:07.52 | abrotman | blindrat: mencoder isn't even in debian |
| 03:08.12 | blindrat | abrotman: thanks for not knowing :-P |
| 03:08.24 | blindrat | !yinzersmite abrotman |
| 03:08.26 | abrotman | at least i know it's not in debian .. and it's OT here |
| 03:09.18 | liable | blindrat: if you just want to scale, try ffmpeg |
| 03:09.39 | blindrat | na I need to make an mp4 for a cell phone with specific settings |
| 03:09.48 | blindrat | I got all the other settings just don't know how to get it the right size |
| 03:09.50 | liable | thats what i use for my phone.. |
| 03:09.57 | liable | or avidemux |
| 03:10.18 | blindrat | I'll take a look at ffmpeg then I guess I didn't think of that |
| 03:10.26 | blindrat | mencoder is the first thing that came to mind |
| 03:10.50 | liable | ffmpeg -i path/to/.avi -f mp4 -vcodec mpeg4 -b 250000 -r 15 -s 320x176 -acodec libfaac -ar 24000 -ab 64 -ac 2 movie.mp4 |
| 03:11.17 | blindrat | I was trying to make a zenity script for it |
| 03:11.34 | blindrat | I can use --entry and drop a file in there from nautilus but I couldn't seem to get the --progress to work |
| 03:11.41 | blindrat | maybe it will work with ffmpeg |
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| 03:16.29 | blindrat | liable: your phone supports faac? |
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| 03:16.52 | liable | blindrat: thats the only one i can get movies to work with |
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| 03:17.17 | blindrat | hmm I was trying mp3lame |
| 03:17.35 | blindrat | just figured since it plays mp3 it would need the audio to be mp3 |
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| 03:18.09 | liable | thats what i though too. |
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| 03:19.04 | liable | http://blogs.s60.com/s60multimedia/2006/11/video_transcoding_using_ffmpeg.html <-- bit more info for you |
| 03:19.51 | blindrat | this is a Samsung SPH-m620 http://ars.samsung.com/customer/usa/jsp/faqs/faqs_view.jsp?SITE_ID=22&PG_ID=557&PROD_SUB_ID=559&PROD_ID=789&AT_ID=89555 is what I am looking at |
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| 03:20.02 | blindrat | doesn't say what audio codec though |
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| 03:22.57 | lavamind | hello, does anyone have any experience setting up an apache2/php5 server with multiple users ? I have one domain and would like to ensure that every user is limited to his own directory when running scripts |
| 03:23.01 | ferret_0567 | I'm not on Debian, but I've used it before and I need a /etc/apt/sources.list from Debian Etch. Would somebody please do me a favor and give me their sources.list if they are running Debian Etch? |
| 03:23.25 | ferret_0567 | I am going to use it with dpkg-shlibdeps for getting skype libs |
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| 03:23.34 | ferret_0567 | plus other 32-bit programs working :) |
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| 03:23.53 | ferret_0567 | it would be much appreciated |
| 03:23.59 | phogg | ferret_0567: may I msg? |
| 03:24.03 | ferret_0567 | phogg: yes |
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| 03:24.35 | abrotman | ferret: deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 03:24.49 | ferret_0567 | abrotman: thanks! |
| 03:24.55 | ferret_0567 | let me see if this will help me |
| 03:25.04 | ferret_0567 | ftp.us for the USA right? |
| 03:25.26 | abrotman | or pick any of a bazillion |
| 03:25.28 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 03:25.28 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <apt-setup> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 03:25.30 | LimCore | hello |
| 03:25.32 | LimCore | on a CDrom-less box, can I install debian install-cd from hard drive somehow? |
| 03:25.34 | LimCore | like, make 2 partitions, copy install cd to second, and MBR/boot to 1st |
| 03:26.05 | LimCore | hot to install CD to a non-bootable box (no cd no floppy no net boot), just directly install another debian to a hard drive (even minimal version) from a running debian (ubuntu) box |
| 03:26.53 | phogg | ferret_0567: not much to it, really. You might prefer a different mirror selection |
| 03:27.31 | ferret_0567 | working :) |
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| 03:27.44 | ferret_0567 | phogg: thank you |
| 03:27.51 | ferret_0567 | abrotman: ty as well :) |
| 03:28.31 | ferret_0567 | E: Could not open file /var/lib/dpkg/status - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 03:29.00 | ferret_0567 | (%:~/CLUTTER)- [[ -d /var/lib/dpkg ]] && echo Directory |
| 03:29.00 | ferret_0567 | Directory |
| 03:29.40 | ferret_0567 | fixed |
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| 03:29.45 | ferret_0567 | E: Could not open file /var/lib/dpkg/status - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 03:29.47 | moshii | LimCore: you could use debootstrap to do that |
| 03:29.51 | ferret_0567 | touch that and bam! |
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| 03:30.06 | danf_1979 | is there any way I can make apt show all packages from a given section (kde, for example) ? |
| 03:30.18 | ferret_0567 | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for libXext.so.6 |
| 03:30.22 | ferret_0567 | argh! |
| 03:30.32 | LimCore | moshii: is it hard? what package to get? |
| 03:30.35 | abrotman | danf_1979: i'd imagine with aptitude or grep-dctrl maybe |
| 03:30.35 | ferret_0567 | how does this dpkg thing work? |
| 03:30.38 | red1 | .msg dpkg guidelines |
| 03:30.48 | LimCore | !debootstrap |
| 03:30.48 | dpkg | i guess debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 03:30.49 | red1 | oops typo! |
| 03:31.28 | ferret_0567 | ftp.ca.debian.org seems better |
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| 03:31.49 | moshii | ferret_0567: are you building a package with dh_make or something? |
| 03:32.30 | obnauticus | I have a USB device that is showing in lsusb as: |
| 03:32.30 | obnauticus | Bus 002 Device 024: ID 6547:0232 |
| 03:32.30 | obnauticus | no description |
| 03:32.30 | LimCore | thanks |
| 03:32.30 | obnauticus | and I don't know what to do with it, it's supposed to be a Data cable for a cell phone |
| 03:32.33 | ferret_0567 | moshii: no, just trying to get the packages that depend on skype so that I can go ahead and extract all the libs out of them |
| 03:32.33 | moshii | obnauticus: update-usbids |
| 03:32.50 | moshii | obnauticus: that doesn't mean there's a driver to run it though |
| 03:32.50 | obnauticus | oh ok |
| 03:32.54 | obnauticus | ya |
| 03:32.57 | obnauticus | i just wanted a description |
| 03:33.00 | obnauticus | Arkmicro Technologies Inc. ARK3116 Serial |
| 03:33.07 | liable | its prolly a usb-serial thingo |
| 03:33.09 | obnauticus | It's a USB Serial emulator bridge thing |
| 03:33.10 | obnauticus | ya |
| 03:33.15 | obnauticus | how can I use that |
| 03:33.21 | obnauticus | I know there are winderz drivers for it... |
| 03:33.24 | liable | plug it in and see what dmesg says |
| 03:33.26 | obnauticus | but it no workie |
| 03:33.30 | moshii | ferret_0567: depend on skype? |
| 03:33.31 | ferret_0567 | open("/etc/dpkg/shlibs.default", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 03:33.32 | danf_1979 | abrotman: I didn't find anything in the aptitude manual. I wonder how does synaptic do so. |
| 03:33.42 | obnauticus | drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for ark3116 |
| 03:33.47 | moshii | ferret_0567: you mean that skype depends on? |
| 03:33.52 | ferret_0567 | moshii: yeah, all the libXXXXXX packages that are dependencies OF skype |
| 03:33.59 | ferret_0567 | moshii: yeah :) |
| 03:34.03 | liable | or you could try 'modprobe usbserial product= vendor= ' with its id's |
| 03:34.08 | abrotman | danf_1979: cat /var/lib/dpkg/Packages | grep Section: .. or something like that |
| 03:34.11 | obnauticus | k |
| 03:34.11 | moshii | ferret_0567: aptitude will show you that info |
| 03:34.19 | ferret_0567 | moshii: I don't have it |
| 03:34.33 | obnauticus | k i dod that, what now ? |
| 03:34.36 | moshii | ferret_0567: ld will tell you exactly what it's linked against too |
| 03:34.41 | ferret_0567 | I suspect my dpkg installation is incomplete; how do I verify it's integrity? |
| 03:34.52 | ferret_0567 | moshii: but I need to automagically download packages |
| 03:34.54 | obnauticus | Do you know of any cell phone EFS browsers? |
| 03:34.57 | obnauticus | Via CLI only. |
| 03:35.10 | moshii | ferret_0567: use skypes debian respository |
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| 03:35.35 | moshii | ferret_0567: If you're on amd64 you have to use the static binary |
| 03:35.52 | blindrat | liable: you know what it means that it can't find parameters with that command you gave? |
| 03:36.26 | liable | blindrat: paste what you typed and the actuall error on a pastebin |
| 03:36.37 | darsie | Hi! My caps lock LED remains dark. It blinks normally with the other LEDs when I plug in the keyboard. |
| 03:36.38 | red1 | i want to really trim my debian virtual machine just to run one basic app on postgres. Wonder what i can throw out that isnt that useful? So that i can make it really small machine for uploading |
| 03:36.46 | zinx | darsie: sid? |
| 03:36.47 | moshii | darsie: in x? |
| 03:36.52 | darsie | testing |
| 03:36.54 | darsie | xorg |
| 03:37.03 | zinx | xorg is broken in testing/sid. |
| 03:37.08 | darsie | ic |
| 03:37.12 | moshii | darsie: you don't use a keyboard locale like japanese that disables it? |
| 03:37.15 | darsie | so I wait for an update. |
| 03:37.21 | hark | danf_1979: aptitude search ~skde |
| 03:37.22 | blindrat | liable: exactly what you gave me but with a valid file /srv/samba/movies/TMP.mpg: could not find codec parameter |
| 03:37.23 | zinx | as far as LEDs are concerned.. some shift issues have been fixed in sid, not sure if that's made it to testing yet. |
| 03:37.28 | darsie | no, standard C, IIRC. |
| 03:38.07 | darsie | thx |
| 03:38.07 | zinx | moshii: LEDs got broke in X.org, there's some bugs on it. |
| 03:38.12 | moshii | darsie: capslock is the most useless key in the world anyhow |
| 03:38.34 | blindrat | hah |
| 03:38.37 | liable | blindrat: i think it might be because of .mpg |
| 03:38.44 | blindrat | ah |
| 03:38.45 | moshii | zinx: I wouldn't have noticed, as my capslock become eisu toggle |
| 03:38.56 | blindrat | liable: so I can't transcode from mpeg? |
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| 03:39.04 | darsie | well, it's of some use, when typing caps words, especially with dvorak, where you type with alternating hands a lot. |
| 03:39.23 | liable | blindrat: dunno, try ffmped -formats |
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| 03:39.32 | snogglethorpe | moshii: seriously... the keyboard "reforms" in the 80s that put capslock and control (and esc) where they commonly are today were completely idiotic |
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| 03:40.16 | obnauticus | liable how do i see what device it is identified as now? |
| 03:40.19 | PythonNinja | snogglethorpe: i don't like the old positions tbh (my 286 has them in the old place) |
| 03:40.36 | snogglethorpe | moshii: I guess it was for compatibility with typewriters, but of course typewriters don't _have_ a lot of the modifier keys that computers do... |
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| 03:41.11 | snogglethorpe | PythonNinja: I suspect that means you don't use them very much... (or don't touch type) |
| 03:41.15 | moshii | snogglethorpe: the JIS keyboard layout is pretty nasty :/ |
| 03:41.15 | blindrat | liable: know what the first col means in that output the D or E? cause its got like 250 formats listed more than I even heard of |
| 03:41.15 | liable | obnauticus: usually dmesg should say something like /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 03:41.28 | snogglethorpe | moshii: yeah I know very well... |
| 03:41.40 | snogglethorpe | moshii: I've got a laptop with that layout |
| 03:41.43 | liable | blindrat: nope, i am not all that familiar with it, I can only read the man page like you ;) |
| 03:41.44 | moshii | mac jis keyboard is even worse |
| 03:41.50 | blindrat | heh, ok |
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| 03:42.03 | blindrat | damn mencoder |
| 03:42.08 | snogglethorpe | moshii: luckily the HHK saves the day for my desktop :-) |
| 03:42.10 | blindrat | I know it'll do it somehow |
| 03:42.20 | moshii | snogglethorpe: HHK? |
| 03:42.27 | liable | blindrat: you can try avidemux too. though its not cli |
| 03:42.33 | snogglethorpe | moshii: Happy Hacking Keyboard |
| 03:42.48 | blindrat | liable: is that in debian? |
| 03:42.59 | liable | blindrat: debian-multimedia, ya |
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| 03:43.20 | danf_1979 | hark: thanks |
| 03:43.25 | PythonNinja | snogglethorpe: i do my own version of touch typing, i used to touch, now i more or less touch, but with a bit more of "whichever finger is closer", i find that i can code faster. Honestly though i use capslock once in two months |
| 03:43.26 | moshii | snogglethorpe: I've just got used to using the JIS layout, I used to use a JIS keyboard before anyhow |
| 03:44.01 | moshii | snogglethorpe: japanese keycaps are totally useless though. It's esier to type in romaji |
| 03:45.54 | blindrat | liable: avidemux wont open the mpgs |
| 03:46.02 | blindrat | that sucks |
| 03:46.05 | liable | blindrat: bummer |
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| 03:46.31 | moshii | mm is kvm broken in unstable? or is just my kernel.. |
| 03:46.38 | snogglethorpe | moshii: http://pfuca-store.stores.yahoo.net/haphackeylit1.html |
| 03:46.41 | liable | duh, i guess i should have realised, seeing as its *avi*demux |
| 03:46.48 | snogglethorpe | (the official site is osrt of screwed up in firefox) |
| 03:46.54 | Shadow_X | does the sound system get locked to only one user in Gnome at one time? |
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| 03:46.59 | blindrat | seems like a cool program |
| 03:47.05 | blindrat | just only seems to work with avi |
| 03:47.17 | Dewi | how do I tail kernel messages for more than a day? When I tail syslog it keeps losing the tail after log rotates... |
| 03:47.24 | liable | its pretty handy, yeah |
| 03:47.30 | Xenguy | Dewi: tail -f |
| 03:47.33 | Xenguy | Dewi: tail -F |
| 03:47.33 | moshii | snogglethorpe: there is an apple one very similar |
| 03:47.46 | Dewi | Xenguy: already using it |
| 03:48.00 | Xenguy | Dewi: tail -F should follow the new file <shrug> |
| 03:48.16 | Xenguy | Hi - I have a Brother Hl-1440 laserjet printer that prints very poor resolution for images when printed from Openoffice.org. I've tried googling around, verified that 'cupsys-driver-gutenprint' is installed, messed with configurations in OOo, but can't seem to get a better image print resolution. Any suggestions? |
| 03:48.19 | Dewi | Xenguy: hmm, I have 'f' in there too without a parameter, I wonder why that's there |
| 03:48.33 | Dewi | Xenguy: that might be breaking it, I'll try again. |
| 03:48.49 | Xenguy | Dewi: yeah, with a capital F it should work |
| 03:49.16 | Xenguy | s/very poor resolution/lower resolution/ |
| 03:49.16 | snogglethorpe | moshii: I guess you're talking about an official keybaord, I think there's actually a mac version of the HHK (there's a JIS version too...) |
| 03:49.52 | snogglethorpe | moshii: anyway sorry to sound like an advertisement for the HHK :-) |
| 03:50.20 | moshii | snogglethorpe: dunno, need a space saving devices.. my girlfriends place is literally a cube |
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| 03:54.27 | phogg | What is PulseAudio? Is it yet another ESD workalike? |
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| 03:57.23 | up365 | phogg, http://www.pulseaudio.org/ |
| 03:57.36 | phogg | up365: looking at it already |
| 03:58.18 | phogg | damned audio nonsense changes every five minutes. ESD, various clones of ESD, gstreamer, various other frameworks. When will it end? |
| 03:58.32 | ferret_0567 | dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: open new substvars file `debian/substvars.new': No such file or directory |
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| 03:59.17 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 03:59.22 | moshii | phogg: when people they should just support stuff instead of abstracting |
| 03:59.38 | moshii | ferret_0567: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 03:59.40 | lkthomas | can I host my PTR record in A server, and then host the domain name record in B dns server ? |
| 03:59.47 | jello | ferret_0567: out of disk space? |
| 03:59.58 | jello | lkthomas: yes |
| 04:00.05 | ferret_0567 | jello: no |
| 04:00.16 | ferret_0567 | moshii: figure out the dependencies of skype! |
| 04:00.18 | jello | technically the PTR records are part of a different TLD... |
| 04:00.30 | ferret_0567 | I'm using SourceMage GNU/Linux w/ dpkg and apt installed |
| 04:00.35 | lkthomas | jello: I see |
| 04:00.48 | moshii | phogg: s/people/people realise |
| 04:00.53 | moshii | ferret_0567: |
| 04:00.56 | ferret_0567 | memo me; I have to go to bed now (d***it mom!) |
| 04:00.57 | lkthomas | jello: because we are charging client for PTR while they got their own DNS server as well |
| 04:01.12 | moshii | ferret_0567: aptitude will tell you that |
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| 04:01.23 | ferret_0567 | moshii: I don't have that |
| 04:01.26 | jello | lkthomas: whomever provides the IP block should also provide the PTR as part of the service |
| 04:01.27 | Dewi | lkthomas: I get my ISP to host PTR for me too |
| 04:01.30 | ferret_0567 | later |
| 04:01.36 | Dewi | lkthomas: they don't charge extra |
| 04:01.42 | moshii | ferret_0567: aptitude is part of debian since etch |
| 04:01.51 | lkthomas | Dewi: well, money is money :) it worth the price haha! |
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| 04:02.13 | ferret_0567 | ugh, I'll just get a debian UML |
| 04:02.15 | Dewi | moshii: aptitude has been around for ages |
| 04:02.16 | moshii | ferret_0567: skype supply 32bit debs, you can get the dependency information from there |
| 04:02.29 | jello | lkthomas: i guess clueless client == $$$ :) |
| 04:02.37 | lkthomas | they rent a rack space from us, they have no choice but to pay 25USD per month for PTR :) |
| 04:02.43 | moshii | Dewi: only part of the debian core since etch though :) |
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| 04:03.11 | Dewi | moshii: oh... okay |
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| 04:03.32 | Dewi | lkthomas: you can delegate it to them |
| 04:03.45 | Dewi | lkthomas: but... I can't see a point other than to slow down RDNS |
| 04:03.50 | stew | moshii: its been around since potato |
| 04:04.48 | lkthomas | Dewi: as far as I know, you can't delegate to them unless they own more than /24 network |
| 04:06.00 | Dewi | lkthomas: I thought that for a while too... you might be right. It's always been easier to ask my ISP to handle it though :P |
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| 04:15.12 | nmd_1011 | hello |
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| 04:15.35 | jello | !greet nmd_1011 |
| 04:15.35 | dpkg | Hello, nmd_1011 |
| 04:15.54 | nmd_1011 | wondering if some one could help me with a debian question |
| 04:16.07 | PythonNinja | nmd_1011: just ask! |
| 04:16.11 | d0uglas | hey now. hi. every day i get several "MS-SQL Worm propagation attempt" and "MS-SQL version overflow attempt" hits on my snort report, most IPs coming through some Beijing gateway, sometimes America. Different operating systems (unless i'm strobing proxies). Are these most likely random attacks from infected computers? Are a lot of people getting these? and ... why mysql of all things |
| 04:16.13 | jello | !tell nmd_1011 about ask |
| 04:17.06 | jello | d0uglas: yes. yes. because there are known root holes in it and not everyone is zealous with upgrading |
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| 04:19.18 | nmd_1011 | I'm rather new at this. Running debian 4.0rc2. When ever I try and apt-get install now I get: The following hs unmet dependencies and Lists one package I no longer want installed. How do I get that removed so I can go on installing? |
| 04:19.45 | d0uglas | my buddy's start-up went through my-sql hell from random attacks from chinese computers, crippled everything. Good chance he didn't type apt-get update;apt-get upgrade as frequently as I have? |
| 04:20.05 | nyle | mysql evilness |
| 04:20.13 | screamingbytes | hmm metalica |
| 04:20.16 | moshii | d0uglas: to start with you said ms-sql though |
| 04:20.17 | nyle | so |
| 04:20.19 | screamingbytes | havn't heard them in a while |
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| 04:20.26 | nyle | oh |
| 04:20.28 | d0uglas | Snort said that. |
| 04:20.37 | nyle | ms sql or mysql |
| 04:20.49 | nyle | metallica? |
| 04:20.56 | moshii | d0uglas: to be honest.. you shouldn't have mysql listening on public interfaces anyhow |
| 04:20.56 | nyle | wtf does that have to do with sql |
| 04:20.57 | nyle | ;) |
| 04:21.27 | screamingbytes | nothing at all |
| 04:21.47 | d0uglas | i got postgresql baby |
| 04:21.54 | screamingbytes | mysql here |
| 04:22.04 | d0uglas | .. and postfix. |
| 04:22.13 | screamingbytes | i used an acetaline torch to the ms sql machine and cd's i had |
| 04:22.20 | screamingbytes | i was quite frustrated with it |
| 04:23.07 | jello | nmd_1011: apt-get install -f |
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| 04:23.21 | screamingbytes | used 1/4 tank of gas, wasted 1 tip, destroyed 1 pair of levi's, and burn't the concrete, but it was all worth it |
| 04:23.39 | d0uglas | you're serious |
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| 04:23.46 | moshii | d0uglas: lots of people replace exim with postfix, never unserstood that because exim is perfectly capable |
| 04:23.52 | nyle | screamingbytes: #music |
| 04:23.57 | jello | !start an mta war |
| 04:23.57 | dpkg | smail has an evil license |
| 04:23.58 | nyle | why is my nick small cap |
| 04:24.11 | nmd_1011 | apt-get install -f starts to install it with a bunch of other crap. I do want any of it. How do i just get it to go away? |
| 04:24.15 | screamingbytes | nyle: i was talking about mysql and ms-sql |
| 04:24.20 | nmd_1011 | don't* |
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| 04:24.30 | screamingbytes | i havn't mentioned music since my first comment |
| 04:24.36 | Nyle | screamingbytes: you were you not were talking about metallica |
| 04:24.39 | jello | nmd_1011: apt-get --purge remove <package> |
| 04:24.41 | Nyle | so join #music |
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| 04:24.43 | Nyle | so i can bug you |
| 04:24.47 | screamingbytes | no i wasn't |
| 04:24.48 | Nyle | or stfu kthx ;) |
| 04:24.53 | nmd_1011 | thanks I'll try it |
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| 04:25.15 | d0uglas | moshii: i couldn't figure out how to open certain ip ranges to relaying on dpkg-reconfigure of exim4 so i switched to postfix and by the time i had rtfmed on netblock/syntax i nailed it so i'm sticking with postfix. as far as i am concerned, they're both super duper fabulous |
| 04:25.22 | screamingbytes | scroll up, 1 line, mistyped in here, after that it was other ppl. i was talking about what i did to my machine that had ms-sql on it |
| 04:25.26 | pdbogen | Does anybody have experience installing Debian onto a Compact Flash card in a CF->IDE adapter? I can install fine, access the disk fine, fsck doesn't find errors when I boot in rescue mode, but my motherboard can't seem to actually boot the damn thing. It doesn't even get to GrUB. |
| 04:25.41 | screamingbytes | so no i won't |
| 04:25.41 | Nyle | screamingbytes: just do as I say, join #music |
| 04:25.48 | screamingbytes | why |
| 04:25.51 | Nyle | well im not gonna msg you |
| 04:25.54 | Nyle | and here its ot |
| 04:25.55 | screamingbytes | im not talking about music |
| 04:26.01 | Nyle | but you were |
| 04:26.06 | jello | pdbogen: does the motherboard actually support booting from CF?? |
| 04:26.13 | Nyle | how do you expect to say something about music and NOT have me talk |
| 04:26.17 | Nyle | thats just not gonna happen |
| 04:26.23 | moshii | jello: CF should be ATA, so you would hope so |
| 04:26.35 | nmd_1011 | apt-get --purge remove says package is not installed can't remove? |
| 04:26.42 | pdbogen | jello : It's in an IDE adapter, I don't see why it would matter. moshii is correct, as well; the card's documentation claims it supports ATA. |
| 04:26.49 | jello | ok |
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| 04:26.56 | moshii | nmd_1011: try dpkg --remove <pkgname> |
| 04:27.03 | jello | --purge |
| 04:27.45 | nmd_1011 | dpkg --remove also says it can't because its not installed |
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| 04:28.01 | Rusty1 | pdbo |
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| 04:28.18 | pdbogen | ? |
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| 04:28.41 | jello | nmd_1011: you've got it a state alright... |
| 04:28.42 | moshii | pdbogen: some adaptors are better than others though.. a lot of people experience trouble using CF cards to replace drives in arcade machines, amigas,.. because they adaptors aren't 100% |
| 04:28.46 | jello | nmd_1011: try dpkg --configure -a |
| 04:28.47 | Rusty1 | pdbogen: are there jumpers on the adapter? |
| 04:29.42 | pdbogen | There's jumpers for Voltage, Master/Single or Slave, and power source. It's currently set to 5V (the CF card specs say it supports both 3.3V and 5V), master, and external power (and the power cord is connected) |
| 04:29.55 | nmd_1011 | sorry! I'm stupid I was entering the wrong package |
| 04:30.03 | nmd_1011 | I got it now thanks! |
| 04:30.55 | Rusty1 | pdbogen: are there jumpers on the adapter? |
| 04:31.01 | Rusty1 | damn |
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| 04:31.44 | Rusty1 | pdbogen: any other devices on the ide bus? |
| 04:32.16 | pdbogen | No.. The adapter connects directly to the motherboard, and there's only one IDE channel. |
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| 04:32.39 | asarch | Does anybody here has the same problem of big fonts in X11? |
| 04:33.32 | nmd_1011 | Any ideas for a good light weight gui wireless connection manager? |
| 04:33.58 | asarch | dhclient? |
| 04:34.07 | nmd_1011 | gui |
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| 04:34.21 | asarch | Oh |
| 04:34.23 | moshii | nmd_1011: network-manager + one of the dock thingies for the desktop of your choice |
| 04:34.24 | PythonNinja | nmd_1011: exalt is great if you're on E |
| 04:34.30 | asarch | Ubuntu? |
| 04:34.34 | cafuego | nmd_1011: Does it need to do WPA of flavours? |
| 04:34.40 | nmd_1011 | yes |
| 04:34.50 | nmd_1011 | i'll be running it in fluxbox |
| 04:34.54 | cafuego | nmd_1011: Then I'm not sure there are any lightweight ones. |
| 04:35.05 | cafuego | The KDE one is prolly your best bet |
| 04:35.22 | nmd_1011 | was hoping to not install gnome of kde stuff |
| 04:35.50 | cafuego | Well, such is life. |
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| 04:37.37 | nmd_1011 | network-manager seems like a small install... trying it |
| 04:37.47 | pdbogen | Heh. |
| 04:37.48 | d0uglas | cafuego: i've put together, with apparent success, a server whose most important functions are mail and web. now my company wants me to cover sites for subsidiaries which means i need to learn how to get apache to direct requests to different domains to different doc roots and to get my mta to, well you get the idea.. can you point me toward something to read pls |
| 04:37.54 | pdbogen | Network-Manager needs dbus and gnome-keyring. |
| 04:38.22 | cafuego | d0uglas: apache2's mod_vhost_alias |
| 04:38.26 | pdbogen | d0uglas : Name Virtual Hosts |
| 04:38.31 | nmd_1011 | what is dbus? |
| 04:38.36 | d0uglas | apache 1 .. similar thing? |
| 04:38.41 | cafuego | d0uglas: That redirects to docroots which are based off sitename |
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| 04:38.51 | stew | nmd_1011: apt-cache show dbus |
| 04:38.56 | cafuego | dunno if apache1 has the module. if not, upgrade. |
| 04:38.57 | d0uglas | ok good good |
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| 04:39.10 | d0uglas | yeah apache2 here i come, thanks cafuego |
| 04:39.39 | cafuego | d0uglas: BIG NOTE: if you need ssl on the vhosts, that's not going to work. |
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| 04:40.20 | d0uglas | noted but don't need ssl (yet). thanks |
| 04:40.42 | d0uglas | out of curiosity, if i ever did, would i need something like vmware and different IPs? |
| 04:40.44 | Dewi | d0uglas: you are limited to 1 cert per ip:port |
| 04:40.48 | d0uglas | ... to do it on one machine |
| 04:40.50 | Dewi | d0uglas: it's a protocol limitation |
| 04:40.55 | cafuego | and if you need you have multiple names on a vhost, just make symlinks. |
| 04:41.10 | cafuego | Dewi: Not quite, you can get certs that allow for shared IP ssl vhosting. |
| 04:41.16 | cafuego | SubjectAltName ftw |
| 04:41.27 | Dewi | d0uglas: there is such a thing as a wildcard cert, so you can have multiple subdomains sharing a cert |
| 04:41.33 | Dewi | cafuego: yes but not supported by all browsers |
| 04:41.55 | darsie | Whoaa. 'apt-get dist-upgrade' wants to remove all my xorg packages, with no appearant replacements. I know there's a bug with the caps lock LED, but that's a harsh resolution ... |
| 04:41.55 | d0uglas | I'm cool, i'm cool, just a company online brochure sort of deal, nothing sensitive |
| 04:42.01 | cafuego | d0uglas: You don't need to have multiple instances of apache running, Linux can do virtualnetwork interfaces with each a different IP address, which apache then can host from. |
| 04:42.02 | d0uglas | but good to know |
| 04:42.12 | jello | darsie: apt-get upgrade |
| 04:42.13 | Dewi | darsie: sarge -> etch upgrade? |
| 04:42.23 | cafuego | Dewi: No, but IE, Firefox, Opera and Safari... sod the rest, to be honest :-) |
| 04:42.38 | nmd_1011 | so I installed network-manager now I can't figure out the command to run it, its not network-manager, how do i find out? |
| 04:42.41 | darsie | I use testing, IIRC. |
| 04:42.43 | Dewi | cafuego: really? I thought a couple of those didn't support it |
| 04:42.57 | cafuego | Dewi: They all did last I heard. |
| 04:43.04 | jello | darsie: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:43.05 | cafuego | Possibly not IE5 |
| 04:43.10 | d0uglas | What do you all do (other than take breaks) to combat eye pain and bursting blood vessels? eye drops? blinking? |
| 04:43.15 | d0uglas | refresh rates, .. |
| 04:43.16 | cafuego | Then aagin, i have have heard wrong |
| 04:43.24 | darsie | lenny/sid |
| 04:43.30 | stew | darsie: whatever is going on with your system has nothing to do with a caps lock bug. show us the actual output of apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 04:43.40 | toor_ | Anyone know anything about something when it comes to chrooting apache? |
| 04:43.45 | stew | darsie: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 04:43.53 | cafuego | d0uglas: what's a break? |
| 04:44.03 | d0uglas | true. |
| 04:44.09 | darsie | stew: I tought so. This was partly a joke :) |
| 04:44.28 | cafuego | d0uglas: *VERY GOOD* chair, decent desk height, good screen, good keyboard/mouse. |
| 04:44.29 | moshii | darsie: humour is not support in #debian |
| 04:44.34 | darsie | g |
| 04:44.55 | cafuego | d0uglas: and non-sucky ambient lighting |
| 04:44.55 | d0uglas | good screen.. i got four |
| 04:45.07 | d0uglas | </bragging> |
| 04:45.30 | cafuego | but a very large penis, so it's ok |
| 04:45.30 | stew | nmd_1011: its a daemon that runs, you'd typically communiate with it via some panel icon thingy in your desktop environment. read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian if you haven't already |
| 04:45.59 | stew | toor_: you should probably try to ask a more specific question |
| 04:46.12 | d0uglas | sometimes i telnet in from my phone and do an apt up date/grade, that's what, 2.5 inches |
| 04:46.24 | Dewi | toor_: google for a tutorial |
| 04:46.31 | jetscreamer | darsie: it's all led's, not just the capslock |
| 04:46.32 | darsie | ATM I have testing and unstable in sources.list and 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' in apt.conf. |
| 04:46.59 | darsie | well, my num lock LED works. |
| 04:46.59 | jetscreamer | testing has the bug, sid doesn't. ( i just upgraded to sid today) so just wait for it |
| 04:47.17 | jetscreamer | mine didn't, nor the scroll lock nor the caps |
| 04:47.18 | stew | darsie: you might try using aptitude instead. it has better dependency resolution, and if you use the frontend, you can have much better control over what gets upgraded/removed/installed |
| 04:47.26 | toor_ | Dewi: I did and used it.. It is a error I got after I walked the line of the tutorial |
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| 04:47.44 | jello | so, what is the error? you still haven't said... |
| 04:47.46 | jetscreamer | works now though :) |
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| 04:48.36 | toor_ | stew, Dewi: I started apache and dispite the conf I did, www-data is the user name of the apache server, it is not the name I wanted it to use... |
| 04:48.57 | toor_ | Tho it is in the chroot jail |
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| 04:49.20 | Dewi | toor_: so it's running as a non-root user but still manages to change to www-data ? |
| 04:49.26 | Dewi | toor_: how is that possible? |
| 04:49.45 | cafuego | If it listens on 80, it runs as root. |
| 04:50.26 | toor_ | Dewi: I dont think it is changing, persay, what do you think? |
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| 04:56.26 | darsie | stew: Ok, here's the output of apt-get dist-upgrade: http://paste.debian.net/46633 |
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| 04:56.52 | kgoetz | cafuego: it can drop privs after binding to the port |
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| 04:57.40 | Nyle | man |
| 04:57.41 | Nyle | I love irssi |
| 04:57.45 | jello | darsie: add Debug::pkgProblemResolver "true"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 04:57.48 | toor_ | Dewi: alright, well I ran a pidof and then ls'd the pid and it did not |
| 04:58.03 | toor_ | "->" to my chroot dir... |
| 04:58.42 | jetscreamer | just let it then reinstall |
| 04:58.43 | stew | darsie: what does "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg" say for "Installed:" and "Candidate:"? |
| 04:59.17 | jetscreamer | or try upgrade first, then dist |
| 04:59.20 | cafuego | kgoetz: Yez, that's what it does by default, but the master proc still runs as root. |
| 04:59.30 | stew | darsie: you might just try running "aptitude install xorg" first, to upgrade it, then go back to dist-upgrade. or you might try just "upgrade" first, which certainly wouldn't try to remove anything |
| 04:59.42 | jetscreamer | stew: jinx |
| 05:00.14 | darsie | jello: Ok, now with Debug::pkgProblemResolver "true"; http://paste.debian.net/46634 |
| 05:00.15 | jetscreamer | but you say it so much nicer |
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| 05:02.48 | darsie | stew: apt-cache output appended to http://paste.debian.net/46635 . I'll try the partial upgrades now. |
| 05:03.01 | TheSODOM | i like vasgina |
| 05:04.12 | jello | darsie: just do upgrade rather than dist-upgrade, it might take a week to sort out |
| 05:04.29 | jello | there's a dep loop between xserver-xorg-input-wacom and xserver-xorg-core |
| 05:04.30 | darsie | all right |
| 05:04.45 | Caelum | TheSODOM: is that a linux program? |
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| 05:05.21 | RHEL_Representat | tes |
| 05:05.25 | PythonNinja | what's with all the spammers in here lately.. |
| 05:05.33 | RHEL_Representat | Čujete li kolo kako pjeva? |
| 05:05.35 | RHEL_Representat | Ka je ona pjesna izvedena, |
| 05:05.37 | RHEL_Representat | iz glave je cijela naroda. |
| 05:05.39 | RHEL_Representat | I imaju razlog Crnogorci |
| 05:05.40 | RHEL_Representat | na nas dići prokletu gomilu. |
| 05:05.42 | RHEL_Representat | Ne smijemo ništa započeti |
| 05:05.44 | RHEL_Representat | što bi narod k viteštvu zažeglo, |
| 05:05.46 | RHEL_Representat | što bi svete kosti prađedovske |
| 05:05.47 | jello | !ru |
| 05:05.47 | dpkg | from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 05:05.48 | RHEL_Representat | ogranulo, da u grob igraju, - |
| 05:05.49 | RHEL_Representat | a ka guske sve nešto ćukamo. |
| 05:05.50 | toor_ | a$sholes |
| 05:05.51 | RHEL_Representat | Udri vraga, ne ostav mu traga, |
| 05:05.53 | RHEL_Representat | ali gubi obadva svijeta! |
| 05:06.02 | RHEL_Representat | !ser |
| 05:06.04 | moshii | you did what to my donkey? you hound! |
| 05:06.07 | jello | !ops RHEL_Representat |
| 05:06.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jello complains about: RHEL_Representat |
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| 05:06.44 | jello | !beer stew |
| 05:07.01 | moshii | Guiness is stout.. |
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| 05:07.07 | stew | save that guinness for tomorrow. its bedtime for me |
| 05:07.40 | toor_ | stew: taken care of... Sleep well, I will now ;) |
| 05:07.58 | toor_ | That happen alot; spammers? |
| 05:08.15 | jello | often enough... |
| 05:08.56 | toor_ | I have been "out-of" the "scene" for a while... |
| 05:08.56 | PythonNinja | jello: do you ever sleep? you're like me! |
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| 05:09.11 | jello | PythonNinja: soon... |
| 05:09.50 | PythonNinja | moshii: actually i just got my first spam email to my gmail account |
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| 05:10.36 | moshii | PythonNinja: two xen machines couldn't handle the amount of spam filtering I need |
| 05:10.52 | PythonNinja | wow |
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| 05:12.28 | moshii | I suppose it's good for people like barracuda.. |
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| 05:15.15 | keith4_ | can someone give me a sanity check? the newest kernel is sid is 2.6.23 right? and there's no packaged nvidia module for that kernel |
| 05:15.28 | keith4_ | and module assistant fails to build it from source |
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| 05:16.45 | jello | linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 |
| 05:17.12 | moshii | 2.6.23 is in sid I think |
| 05:17.26 | keith4_ | yah, 2.6.23-1 |
| 05:17.48 | keith4_ | regardless, the latest nvidia module that's packaged is for 2.6.18-5 or so |
| 05:17.51 | moshii | keith4_: why is it failing to build from soure? |
| 05:18.21 | keith4_ | holy on, let me pastebin |
| 05:18.26 | keith4_ | also, hold on |
| 05:18.32 | jello | hmm, 2.6.23 is in sid, but the latest is pointing still to 2.6.22... |
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| 05:19.04 | moshii | jello: I think thats because 2.6.22 isnt't available for all archs/patches yet |
| 05:19.14 | keith4_ | 23 you mean |
| 05:19.31 | moshii | yeah 23, sorry |
| 05:19.36 | blairsooley | er |
| 05:19.48 | keith4_ | maybe i can wipe this and use etch? |
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| 05:20.05 | keith4_ | i just slapped an nvidia quadro nvs 285 in it, and it didn't seem to work with the nvidia module in etch |
| 05:20.22 | moshii | keith4_: have you checked the bts? |
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| 05:22.17 | keith4_ | bts? |
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| 05:23.38 | jello | !tell keith4_ about bts |
| 05:23.51 | jello | g'night all |
| 05:23.59 | keith4_ | ohhh, bts |
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| 05:30.29 | keith4_ | this.... is what i'm experiencing,i think http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367976 |
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| 05:41.35 | keith4_ | moshii: if you're still around, http://paste.debian.net/46637 |
| 05:41.39 | keith4_ | or anyone, for that matter |
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| 05:43.08 | moshii | the magic is at line 134 I think |
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| 05:46.10 | keith4_ | the line in nv.c there is "static kmem_cache_t *nv_pte_t_cache = NULL;" |
| 05:46.35 | keith4_ | which means it doesn't know wtf "kmem_cache_t" is |
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| 05:52.14 | omry | how do I disable ssh strict host key for a specific session? |
| 05:52.21 | omry | (strict host key check) |
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| 05:53.46 | omry | hmm, found it. |
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| 06:08.29 | carsonc | So, I have reported a bug into the Debian BTS which is probably an upstream thing. Should I also file a bug upstream? |
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| 06:09.18 | moshii | carsonc: The package maintainer should do that |
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| 06:10.43 | carsonc | Okay, that's what I figured; just wanted to make sure |
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| 06:22.16 | darsie | can filenames contain most unicode characters? |
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| 06:23.12 | darsie | like, maybe all but / and non printing characters. |
| 06:23.34 | snogglethorpe | darsie: on linux, filenames can contain pretty much anything, as they are largely uninterperted by the OS; it's apps that do any intepretation of them |
| 06:23.53 | darsie | ok |
| 06:24.12 | snogglethorpe | darsie: apps that use utf-8 to encode filenames can put pretty much any character in them except for / and '\0' |
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| 06:25.37 | Ragon | Hi, a simple yes/no question. Is it possible to access and NFTS Windows filesystem on Debian without any additional packages? |
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| 06:26.04 | darsie | sure |
| 06:26.09 | Ragon | Ok |
| 06:26.13 | Ragon | Thanks |
| 06:26.15 | Ragon | :) |
| 06:26.28 | snogglethorpe | darsie: isn't it still read-only access though? |
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| 06:26.47 | darsie | hmm |
| 06:26.53 | darsie | not sure |
| 06:27.39 | darsie | i just gave him a simple yes/no answer |
| 06:28.06 | snogglethorpe | darsie: lol he probably wanted to win some sort of argument with a windows user ... |
| 06:28.22 | darsie | hmm |
| 06:28.27 | darsie | maybe :) |
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| 06:28.38 | \amethyst | I wonder what "addition packages" means? outside debian? outside standard? outside the base install? |
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| 06:28.45 | \amethyst | s/ion/ional/ |
| 06:28.55 | darsie | I meant debian to be debian. |
| 06:29.01 | darsie | so, all debian packages. |
| 06:29.17 | darsie | but not ... what's it called... non-free |
| 06:29.29 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: who knows, that kind of question is pretty much useless for someone who actually wants to use the feature |
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| 06:32.10 | darsie | and I guess he meant NTFS by NFTS |
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| 06:34.07 | darsie | There is partial, but safe, write support available. |
| 06:34.34 | darsie | says the online help of linux 2.6.22 |
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| 06:36.10 | Toad | hey all. I'm having some trouble with wireless on etch onDell D620 |
| 06:36.28 | Toad | aaaah, wait finally worked |
| 06:36.37 | Toad | dhclient took a good 60 seconds to get an IP out of it though |
| 06:36.45 | ferret_0567 | is there any way to set the install root for apt/dpkg/dselect/aptitude etc.? |
| 06:37.32 | darsie | but the write support islimited to overwriting existing files without changing file length. :( |
| 06:38.13 | Toad | a/win 2 |
| 06:38.17 | SpeedyG | Hi, i've got this problem that the audio from my stereo-output, isnt forwarded to my SPDIF output, tho this did happen before, anyone have an idea of where to look? |
| 06:38.21 | Toad | woops :) |
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| 06:39.39 | ferret_0567 | I am setting up Debian's ia32-libs on SourceMage GNU/Linux, I don't want it to overwrite my files! |
| 06:39.48 | ferret_0567 | got that? |
| 06:40.24 | simonrvn | and you expect us to support that? suuuure |
| 06:40.49 | simonrvn | you're on your own |
| 06:41.19 | ferret_0567 | simonrvn: all I need is to change the install root! |
| 06:41.33 | ferret_0567 | your just making me mad! |
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| 06:42.13 | SpeedyG | ferret_0567: get used to that here |
| 06:42.21 | ferret_0567 | ... |
| 06:42.29 | ferret_0567 | you Debian guys are crazy! |
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| 06:42.53 | SpeedyG | once you ask $question and $non-debian-distro in one line, you'll most likely get such a response in #debian |
| 06:43.12 | ferret_0567 | well, hell, how about doing this on pure debian then? |
| 06:43.16 | ferret_0567 | it must be the same! |
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| 06:43.42 | ferret_0567 | I'll run a UML with debian if i have to |
| 06:43.58 | sep | ferret_0567, whats wrong with chroot ? |
| 06:44.15 | SpeedyG | <= has no idea |
| 06:44.34 | ferret_0567 | sep: don't have dpkg or any of the required libs in there |
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| 06:44.41 | ferret_0567 | simple as that |
| 06:46.19 | simonrvn | ferret_0567: get mad all you want, you'll just drive your blood pressure up and make me feel like putting you on ignore |
| 06:46.40 | ferret_0567 | simonrvn: I'm not that mad |
| 06:46.51 | ferret_0567 | but, I would appreciate an answer :) |
| 06:47.07 | simonrvn | there's dpkg man pages online |
| 06:47.36 | ferret_0567 | I'll view it |
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| 06:50.36 | sep | ferret_0567, usualy altering the location to eg /usr/local require a recompile using --prefix=/usr/local at configure time. |
| 06:50.40 | ferret_0567 | /etc/dpkg/dpkg.conf: root=/home/travis/DEBIAN |
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| 06:50.56 | ferret_0567 | sep: I use LD_LIBRARY_PATH :) |
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| 06:51.26 | \amethyst | that doesn't help programs that look for config files in /usr |
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| 06:51.38 | sep | i think it was just a lib he wanted |
| 06:53.02 | sep | ferret, just unpack the package manually and grab the files and put them wherever |
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| 06:53.38 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: dpkg.cfg isn't it? |
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| 06:58.19 | ferret_0567 | \amethyst: yes |
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| 06:58.31 | ferret_0567 | I figured that out the hard way |
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| 06:58.41 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: ouch :( |
| 06:59.12 | ferret_0567 | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 07:00.07 | ferret_0567 | I guess I can chroot next thing if I can't get this to work |
| 07:01.00 | ferret_0567 | I'll just user mode linux the thing |
| 07:01.03 | ferret_0567 | :) |
| 07:01.05 | enouf | i just did an update in a chroot |
| 07:01.19 | simonrvn | ferret_0567: just so you know, it's nothing personal |
| 07:01.26 | ferret_0567 | simonrvn: ok :) |
| 07:01.28 | ferret_0567 | good |
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| 07:04.11 | ferret_0567 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.16 | ferret_0567 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.20 | ferret_0567 | w00t! |
| 07:04.54 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 07:05.31 | ferret_0567 | I wish I had a hard drive like a ferrari though |
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| 07:07.35 | SpeedyG | what? nice and red with a prancing stallion on its hood? :P |
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| 07:07.58 | moshii | and brake down a lot.. |
| 07:08.19 | ferret_0567 | SpeedyG: no, just with ferrari-like SPEED!!!!!!! |
| 07:08.36 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: strap it to the top of a ferrari |
| 07:08.43 | moshii | ferret_0567: raid |
| 07:09.07 | ferret_0567 | \amethyst: lol |
| 07:09.26 | SpeedyG | why strap it on top? ferraris are half computers.. why not built it in? :p |
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| 07:10.14 | enouf | hrm .. where does /home/USAGE get it's info from? |
| 07:10.17 | SpeedyG | anyone here know how to fix that my sound is sent to stereo instead of digital-out? |
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| 07:10.29 | ferret_0567 | SpeedyG: if my Ferrari ran Linux, I would have a console on the winshield :) |
| 07:10.33 | SpeedyG | I want it to go to stereo-out |
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| 07:10.44 | Bl00dFox | Hi guys. |
| 07:10.50 | SpeedyG | euh, to digital-out I mean :| |
| 07:10.51 | enouf | and is USAGE a necessary file even? |
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| 07:11.10 | LoneTech | enouf: considering I've never seen it, I doubt it. |
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| 07:11.32 | Bl00dFox | I have a question - I have the netinst ISO (the ~163MB one), will that install a desktop environment by default? |
| 07:11.46 | enouf | LoneTech: eww .. it's got a number and my username |
| 07:11.54 | SpeedyG | Bl00dFox: you'll get the option to choose desktop if you want |
| 07:12.02 | ferret_0567 | i got debootstrap working :) |
| 07:12.04 | enouf | maybe a DE thing |
| 07:12.08 | \amethyst | Bl00dFox: not by default--you have to select the "Desktop" task during the install |
| 07:12.17 | \amethyst | (or later) |
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| 07:12.36 | \amethyst | aha |
| 07:12.47 | enouf | ok, time to chmod /home in my chroot to be sticky .. then i'm all set back right in that area |
| 07:13.22 | LoneTech | you want people to be able to remove their own home directories? |
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| 07:13.51 | LoneTech | I don't quite see why users should be able to write to /home at all. |
| 07:14.24 | ferret_0567 | E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-/Packages |
| 07:14.26 | ferret_0567 | wtf? |
| 07:14.30 | marc7 | can anybody suggest a routing howto other than LARTC.org? trying to setup a pretty stock debian etch installation as a router / VPN server |
| 07:14.34 | ferret_0567 | can I just have a debian UML already? |
| 07:14.48 | moshii | marc7: use an iptables script like firehol |
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| 07:14.51 | LoneTech | ferret: sounds like it doesn't know its architecture |
| 07:15.08 | ferret_0567 | ah! |
| 07:15.09 | moshii | ferret_0567: why use uml? |
| 07:15.23 | LoneTech | ferret: might be able to fix it with dpkg-architecture |
| 07:15.24 | ferret_0567 | moshii: because I want to :) |
| 07:15.38 | ferret_0567 | no wories |
| 07:15.39 | moshii | ferret_0567: debian has good tools for vserver |
| 07:15.41 | ferret_0567 | I got it |
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| 07:16.11 | ferret_0567 | it's working :)))) |
| 07:16.17 | marc7 | moshii: thanks, that's a great first start! any other suggestions if I'm trying to create separate subnets and have 10.0.0.x space routed through a certain server? |
| 07:16.28 | marc7 | it needs to do more routing than firewalling |
| 07:16.28 | Bl00dFox | Does anyone here use x264? |
| 07:17.43 | ferret_0567 | moshii: isn't it i686 arch for normal x86 machines (32-bit)? |
| 07:17.49 | moshii | marc7: you can create dummy interfaces or interface aliases.. and than se dnat/snat rules in firehol to pumb it all up |
| 07:18.02 | moshii | ferret_0567: i686 is for i686 class machines |
| 07:18.27 | moshii | ferret_0567: that's pentium pro or newer |
| 07:18.51 | ferret_0567 | sudo ./debootstrap --arch i686 --include=ssh,udev etch $MOUNT :: E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-i686/Packages |
| 07:18.57 | LoneTech | debian's x86 arch is named i386, though it's for 486 or newer nowadays. |
| 07:19.04 | ferret_0567 | oh |
| 07:19.06 | moshii | ferret_0567: arch i386 |
| 07:19.18 | ferret_0567 | moshii: working :) |
| 07:19.19 | SpeedyG | Hi, i've got the problem that all of the sudden, my digital-out doesnt give me any sound at all? it seems to be playing but theres just no sound and it seems to be that the sound is redirected to stereo-out.. anyone know what can cause this problem? |
| 07:19.39 | SpeedyG | because its driving me friggin nuts |
| 07:19.40 | SpeedyG | :( |
| 07:20.00 | moshii | ferret_0567: if you have hardware support you could always use kvm too.. |
| 07:20.05 | LoneTech | there tend to be mixer settings affecting that sort of thing, try alsamixer. |
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| 07:20.45 | SpeedyG | LoneTech: yeah, I think i've tried nearly any alsamixer setting.. but nowt works :( |
| 07:21.43 | LoneTech | well, perhaps you should dump the full settings with amixer, put that on a pastebin, and provide some context for your question? also, I suspect there's an alsa channel somewhere. |
| 07:22.02 | LoneTech | sorry if I'm not much help, I must leave soon |
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| 07:22.07 | LoneTech | er, now |
| 07:22.12 | LoneTech | see you later |
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| 07:23.38 | enouf | LoneTech: what's your perms on /home then? i mispoke .. i meant setgid not sticky |
| 07:24.42 | enouf | buh bai now ;-) |
| 07:25.18 | SpeedyG | http://pastebin.ca/850520 <= these are all soundsettings I know of that are required for this issue, anyone see anything awkward thats causing my digital-out not to work ? |
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| 07:27.18 | Bl00dFox | guys, after a fresh install of debian, how do you install VLC media player?? |
| 07:27.33 | streuner | aptitude install vlc |
| 07:27.34 | SpeedyG | Bl00dFox: what debian? etch? aptitude install vlc |
| 07:28.08 | ferret_0567 | (%:~/CLUTTER/debootstrap/usr/sbin)- sudo chroot $MOUNT passwd |
| 07:28.09 | ferret_0567 | passwd: Permission denied |
| 07:28.13 | ferret_0567 | wtf?!?!?! |
| 07:28.51 | enouf | user passwd with sudo |
| 07:28.52 | ferret_0567 | $MOUNT/etc/passwd: root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash , $MOUNT/etc/group: root:x:0: |
| 07:29.08 | enouf | wtf with sudo then? |
| 07:29.18 | enouf | whoami :-P |
| 07:29.32 | ferret_0567 | root |
| 07:29.53 | ferret_0567 | in a chroot w/ /bin/bash, it still doesn't work :( |
| 07:30.13 | ferret_0567 | passwd root :: passwd: Permission denied |
| 07:30.21 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: are you a user or root? |
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| 07:30.31 | ferret_0567 | \amethyst: r00t |
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| 07:30.51 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: oh, sorry, missed the sudo |
| 07:30.57 | streuner | IdiOt? |
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| 07:31.28 | ferret_0567 | streuner: not me, I swear :-P |
| 07:31.49 | ferret_0567 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32 Jan 11 07:27 /etc/passwd |
| 07:32.47 | ferret_0567 | same permissions as on the host |
| 07:32.48 | enouf | i just sudo chroot /mnt/point , but that mount is just rw no funky nodev,nosuid,noexec mount options |
| 07:32.49 | ferret_0567 | wtf? |
| 07:32.50 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: what are the permissions on $MOUNT/bin/passwd ? |
| 07:33.10 | ferret_0567 | ls: cannot access /home/travis/DEBIAN/mnt/bin/passwd: No such file or directory |
| 07:33.35 | ferret_0567 | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 28480 2007-02-27 07:53 /home/travis/DEBIAN/mnt/usr/bin/passwd |
| 07:33.45 | enouf | i love ppl who do this shit somewhere deep in /home , lol |
| 07:33.56 | ferret_0567 | I did "ls -l $MOUNT/**/passwd" |
| 07:34.32 | \amethyst | hm |
| 07:34.34 | kroddn | Does anybody know how to create a simple DEB just containing a setup-script to execute? |
| 07:34.41 | ferret_0567 | I'm going to f***ing murder my d*** bleeping watch |
| 07:34.49 | ferret_0567 | it's alarm won't STFU! |
| 07:35.13 | ferret_0567 | drwxr-xr-x 17 root root 4096 2006-07-08 09:13 /home/travis/DEBIAN/mnt |
| 07:35.19 | kroddn | background: i want to install an app from cd, but debian does not allow to execute scripts on cd - so a "normal" user is not able to install my product by "clicking" |
| 07:35.53 | ferret_0567 | darsie: thank you, but it's not working :( |
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| 07:36.01 | ferret_0567 | darsie: got a teleporter? |
| 07:36.09 | darsie | sorry, nope |
| 07:36.11 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: and /home isn't noexec or nosuid? |
| 07:36.14 | ferret_0567 | :( |
| 07:36.35 | ferret_0567 | /dev/vg0/home /home ext3 rw,noatime,nodiratime,data=ordered 0 0 |
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| 07:37.19 | ferret_0567 | ahem |
| 07:37.24 | ferret_0567 | wtf is up? |
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| 07:38.10 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: maybe you could install strace in the chroot and strace passwd (as root of course) to see where the permission denied is coming from |
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| 07:38.44 | kroddn | ferret: why do you want to execute passwd in the chroot??? |
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| 07:39.08 | kroddn | sudo chroot $MOUNT /bin/bash |
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| 07:39.23 | enouf | not even |
| 07:39.26 | ferret_0567 | kroddn: because the guide said so |
| 07:39.31 | kroddn | does it? |
| 07:39.32 | ferret_0567 | kroddn: not even that works |
| 07:39.37 | kroddn | i never read the guide ^^ |
| 07:39.43 | ferret_0567 | http://www.punknix.com/?q=virtualization_uml |
| 07:39.51 | kroddn | but i am using chroots dayly |
| 07:39.52 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: wait, what error do you get from sudo chroot $MOUNT /bin/bash ? |
| 07:40.10 | ferret_0567 | \amethyst: nothing :( |
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| 07:40.16 | \amethyst | but it doesn't work? |
| 07:40.29 | ferret_0567 | \amethyst: passwd doesn't |
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| 07:40.56 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: try stracing it so you at least know what doesn't work about passwd |
| 07:41.15 | \amethyst | (you'll need to install or copy strace into the chroot) |
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| 07:42.13 | enouf | why do you need passwd? i chroot, no pass required ;-) i need to though if i then want to become user O.o |
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| 07:45.28 | ferret_0567 | enouf: going to make a UML |
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| 07:46.03 | enouf | that's nice |
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| 07:50.43 | ferret_0567 | I need more packages! |
| 07:50.44 | ferret_0567 | that's it |
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| 07:51.36 | harpal | I have deleted my files using rm now I want back so what should I do? |
| 07:53.09 | kroddn | i think this is impossible :-( |
| 07:53.13 | liable | restore from backup :P |
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| 07:53.27 | liable | if its ext2 you can, otherwise not really possible |
| 07:53.32 | streuner | harparl: restore from backup! |
| 07:53.51 | harpal | ohh I dont have backup |
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| 07:53.57 | streuner | well |
| 07:53.58 | harpal | I have ext3 partition |
| 07:54.02 | Penix | !undelete |
| 07:54.02 | dpkg | undeleting is probably Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 07:54.03 | darsie | grep keyword /dev/hda |
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| 07:55.15 | ezc | you can't recover deleted/damaged files from reiser or ext3? |
| 07:55.19 | ezc | :o |
| 07:55.36 | cafuego | certainly not from reiser <ha> |
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| 07:55.48 | ezc | Is it a security feature i suppose? |
| 07:55.51 | kroddn | how's reiser doing anyway? |
| 07:56.01 | Penix | how should we know? |
| 07:56.05 | kroddn | :-) |
| 07:56.06 | streuner | !filesystems |
| 07:56.06 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 07:56.12 | cafuego | ezc: No, just a feature. if you don't want to delete a file, don't delete it <heh> |
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| 07:56.32 | ezc | I wouldn't besides i have backups of any critical data |
| 07:56.54 | Bl00dFox | will debian autodetect my 1920x1080 resolution??? |
| 07:57.10 | ezc | auto detect? |
| 07:57.12 | liable | maybe |
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| 07:57.18 | ezc | debian? |
| 07:57.26 | kroddn | maybe i should develop a keyboard which beeps if yoz press r-m<space><minus>f |
| 07:57.27 | Penix | my? |
| 07:57.31 | kroddn | Bl00dFox: mine does |
| 07:57.55 | Bl00dFox | do you need to install graphic card drivers for that?? |
| 07:58.04 | kroddn | not x1080, but 1280 |
| 07:58.05 | ferret_0567 | dpkg-divert: cannot open diversions: No such file or directory |
| 07:58.06 | ferret_0567 | ??? |
| 07:58.10 | Bl00dFox | okay |
| 07:58.12 | ferret_0567 | wtf? |
| 07:58.41 | Penix | ferret_0567: can't find /var/lib/dpkg/diversions or something obviously |
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| 07:58.51 | Penix | hard to tell from that cryptic error message |
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| 07:59.05 | ferret_0567 | better now |
| 07:59.20 | enouf | i love not typing |
| 07:59.31 | enouf | we have a self-healing ferret |
| 07:59.38 | rj-away | ferret_0567: what was it? |
| 08:00.15 | SpeedyG | http://pastebin.ca/850520 <= these are all soundsettings I know of that are required for this issue, anyone see anything awkward thats causing my digital-out not to produce any sound ? |
| 08:00.28 | ferret_0567 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.28 | ferret_0567 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:00.42 | ferret_0567 | enouf: touch fixed it :) |
| 08:00.50 | ferret_0567 | enouf: I have the magic touch :) |
| 08:01.05 | enouf | you need better eyeglasses though :-P |
| 08:01.09 | ferret_0567 | oh s*** |
| 08:01.17 | ferret_0567 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.18 | ferret_0567 | rofl |
| 08:01.22 | enouf | !heal ferret_0567 |
| 08:01.41 | enouf | thanks dpkg |
| 08:01.41 | dpkg | enouf: no worries |
| 08:01.41 | ferret_0567 | root@smgl64:/# rm /DEBS/libstdc++6_4.2.1-5ubuntu4_i386.deb |
| 08:01.50 | ferret_0567 | dpkg: jinx |
| 08:02.07 | kroddn | ferret_0567 |
| 08:02.17 | kroddn | why don't you use debootstrap? |
| 08:02.19 | ferret_0567 | kroddn: what? |
| 08:02.20 | ferret_0567 | kroddn: I am |
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| 08:02.52 | enouf | ubuntu? whoa </neo> |
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| 08:03.13 | ferret_0567 | enouf: rofl |
| 08:04.40 | ferret_0567 | Unpacking debianutils (from .../DEBS/debianutils_2.17_i386.deb) ... |
| 08:04.40 | ferret_0567 | dpkg not recorded as installed, cannot check for epoch support ! |
| 08:04.40 | ferret_0567 | \nPlease upgrade to a newer version of dpkg\n |
| 08:04.49 | AM|R | i got problem to install and remove this package |
| 08:05.00 | AM|R | please help the errors poste here http://paste.debian.net/46641 |
| 08:05.31 | ferret_0567 | fixed :) |
| 08:05.37 | ferret_0567 | ferret_0567++ |
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| 08:05.50 | AM|R | please help the errors paste here http://paste.debian.net/46641 |
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| 08:06.41 | Penix | AM|R: read the error |
| 08:07.07 | ferret_0567 | root@smgl64:/# passwd |
| 08:07.08 | ferret_0567 | Enter new UNIX password: |
| 08:07.14 | ferret_0567 | ferret_0567+++++ |
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| 08:07.32 | AM|R | ok done |
| 08:07.43 | SpeedyG | hm, dpkg should have some karma-function that decreases by 5 when upping your own karma :p |
| 08:07.47 | cafuego | playsms edits sudoers? classy. |
| 08:07.52 | AM|R | already touch /etc/sudoers |
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| 08:08.21 | cafuego | SpeedyG: it does |
| 08:08.22 | \amethyst | AM|R: what does apt-cache policy playsms say? |
| 08:08.35 | SpeedyG | cafuego: it does? :D nice! |
| 08:08.40 | simonrvn | SpeedyG: you can't up your own karma anyway |
| 08:08.52 | simonrvn | and he hasn't either, he needed to prefix it |
| 08:08.58 | SpeedyG | ah, too bad ;) |
| 08:09.08 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 08:09.27 | Penix | SpeedyG: does your digital output show up as another card/device? ie. hw:0,1 or something |
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| 08:09.37 | SpeedyG | Penix: yes, hw0.2 |
| 08:09.39 | simonrvn | deadcat: connection issues? :) :/ |
| 08:10.01 | cafuego | my karma is shit, what happened to it? I haven't made newbies go to "that channel" for ages. |
| 08:10.02 | SpeedyG | but nothing other |
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| 08:10.07 | Penix | SpeedyG: tried specifying that device in an app? does the digital work at all, or are you trying to default to it? |
| 08:10.17 | simonrvn | !karma cafuego |
| 08:10.18 | dpkg | cafuego has karma of 1 |
| 08:10.30 | simonrvn | you were saying? |
| 08:10.32 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 08:10.37 | cafuego | 1 is not 20 |
| 08:10.43 | SpeedyG | Penix: it works in windows, and has worked in *nix until yesterday.. I was messing a bit with vlc.. suddenly all sound was gone and I can't find any reason/cause for that |
| 08:11.33 | simonrvn | cafuego: boohoo :P |
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| 08:11.50 | SpeedyG | !karma SpeedyG |
| 08:11.51 | dpkg | speedyg has neutral karma |
| 08:11.53 | SpeedyG | ha :) |
| 08:11.53 | cafuego | damn right ;-) |
| 08:12.06 | ferret_0567 | !karma ferret_0567 |
| 08:12.07 | dpkg | ferret_0567 has neutral karma |
| 08:12.10 | ferret_0567 | :( |
| 08:12.23 | ferret_0567 | don't I get karma for fixing my passwd problem? |
| 08:12.36 | SpeedyG | ferret_0567: you're on smgl, what do you think ? :P |
| 08:12.42 | ferret_0567 | so? |
| 08:12.45 | simonrvn | no. only for doing it creatively ;p |
| 08:12.46 | ferret_0567 | I'm working on Debian |
| 08:12.48 | cafuego | No, but you might lose karma for asking |
| 08:12.52 | Obligatory | apt-get says "linux-image-2.6-k7 set to manual installed." -- what does "manual installed" mean? |
| 08:12.53 | ferret_0567 | rofl |
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| 08:14.21 | ferret_0567 | d***it, where is a nuke?!?!?! |
| 08:14.28 | ferret_0567 | I need one for my arm! |
| 08:14.37 | ferret_0567 | it has a evil watch attached to it! |
| 08:14.47 | ferret_0567 | SpeedyG: thanks! |
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| 08:14.56 | SpeedyG | ferret_0567: evil watch? o_0 |
| 08:15.07 | cafuego | tick tock ... |
| 08:15.26 | ferret_0567 | SpeedyG: yeah, it's alarm won't STFU! |
| 08:15.30 | SpeedyG | haha |
| 08:15.39 | cafuego | take it off, give it a drink |
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| 08:17.13 | ferret_0567 | cefuego: got it |
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| 08:17.21 | ferret_0567 | g2g |
| 08:17.31 | ferret_0567 | my eye needs me to leave |
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| 08:17.59 | Obligatory | Hmm... more about that "manual installed" wording at Ubuntu bug #118728 (but I'm running Debian sid) |
| 08:18.53 | aron_ | Hi. Does anyone know what I'd need to add to my sources.list to get libboost to show up in apt-get? |
| 08:19.24 | \amethyst | aron_: boost is more than just one package |
| 08:20.04 | \amethyst | aron_: you shouldn't need any extra sources to install libboost-dev (the metapackage for the development libraries) |
| 08:20.22 | aron_ | I know i at least need libboost-iostream and probably libboost-iostream-dev |
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| 08:21.03 | aron_ | because i first tried installing the boost package from source (boost_1_33_1.tar.gz) |
| 08:21.16 | aron_ | and that didn't help me with my problem. |
| 08:21.24 | Superbartt | the libboost packages are just in the normal packages mirrors |
| 08:21.25 | \amethyst | aron_: libboost-dev will pull in both of those |
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| 08:23.51 | aron_ | So I shouldn't need some separate boost-iostreams package? |
| 08:24.06 | aron_ | I'm having a really hard time getting this configure script to see that i have it installed |
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| 08:30.27 | Obligatory | Anybody know how to install the headers for sid's "linux-image-2.6-k7"? module-assistant can't find it either. |
| 08:30.49 | streuner | what kernel? |
| 08:31.01 | streuner | meta-packages is broken actually |
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| 08:31.44 | Obligatory | streuner, "Linux version 2.6.22-3-k7 (Debian 2.6.22-6)" says '/proc/version'... |
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| 08:32.31 | CAiRO_ | how can i achieve that my usb devices get persistent names in /dev? |
| 08:33.03 | Obligatory | streuner, "meta-packages"? Is that a package or what? |
| 08:33.20 | streuner | !meta-package |
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| 08:33.43 | streuner | !metapackage |
| 08:33.43 | dpkg | well, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers |
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| 08:34.20 | Obligatory | dpkg, thanks, I thought he meant a package name. |
| 08:34.20 | dpkg | Obligatory: no worries |
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| 08:35.39 | Obligatory | streuner, OK so you're saying the metapackage for my kernel headers is broken... |
| 08:35.56 | streuner | Obligatory: ever used pdo? |
| 08:36.10 | streuner | you should know that, if you running unstable |
| 08:36.32 | Obligatory | streuner, no what is 'pdo'? |
| 08:36.41 | streuner | !pdo |
| 08:36.41 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 08:37.18 | mosty | i have a bootable usb stick with debian etch on it, how can i get it to cope with it's own /dev entry being different on different machines? i don't want to have to add root=/dev/something for each machine i use it on |
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| 08:38.32 | Obligatory | dpkg, oh another TLA. Yeah, I tried "pdo", but what I get are dependency conflicts. Guess I should check the BTS... |
| 08:38.33 | dpkg | Obligatory: I think you lost me on that one |
| 08:38.54 | streuner | Obligatory: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:39.02 | streuner | Obligatory: ignore that, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-headers-2.6.22&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=all |
| 08:39.12 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 08:39.12 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 08:39.25 | mosty | the kernel will boot, but then the initramfs image can't mount the root fs because the device has changed. is there a trick to figure out what device you have booted from? |
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| 08:39.40 | Obligatory | dpkg, TLA="Three Letter Acronym". >:') |
| 08:40.10 | tralala | Obligatory, you're talking to a bot |
| 08:40.20 | tralala | !tla |
| 08:40.20 | dpkg | methinks tla is Three Letter Acronym. or the archetypal TLA. <see arch> |
| 08:40.44 | tralala | and apparently she knows what tla means |
| 08:40.55 | Obligatory | tralala, what a good bot! |
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| 08:41.09 | tralala | !botsnack |
| 08:41.09 | dpkg | thanks, tralala |
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| 08:41.45 | streuner | Obligatory: k7 is dead |
| 08:41.56 | Obligatory | tralala, not to digress to much, but where might one learn more about this bot? |
| 08:41.56 | streuner | Obligatory: just use in furture -686 |
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| 08:42.20 | SpeedyG | streuner: what do you mean by 'is dead' dev is discontinued? o_0 |
| 08:42.42 | streuner | dead is dead, like deadcat :-) |
| 08:42.44 | woalo | After installing xsane, I lost gimp. In the kdemenu, there is no logo, only the word "GIMP" and it cannot be started from the menu. |
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| 08:42.59 | SpeedyG | hm, streuner looking at deadcat's connection.. it might come back again ;) :p |
| 08:43.00 | streuner | SpeedyG: no, there are no k7 kernels in future |
| 08:43.02 | Obligatory | streuner, so you'd advise 686 migration, or recompiling to get the K7 goodness? |
| 08:43.08 | tralala | streuner, out of linux, out of debian, merged with 686?! |
| 08:43.15 | SpeedyG | streuner: ah :) |
| 08:43.27 | streuner | tralala: no |
| 08:43.42 | streuner | tralala: 686 is a kernel optimized for intel |
| 08:43.48 | woalo | I can start it from the commandline. |
| 08:44.02 | streuner | !686 |
| 08:44.02 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
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| 08:44.15 | tralala | streuner, and k7 is a kernel optimized for amd athlons pre-64 |
| 08:44.30 | tralala | the question is why is it dead |
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| 08:45.12 | streuner | no idea why, just use pdo, there isnt a 2.6.23-k7 actually in unstable... |
| 08:45.14 | beardy | k7 is out? |
| 08:45.19 | streuner | yeah |
| 08:45.22 | perfector | where can i find sun's jre6 package and unrar non-free packages for etch |
| 08:45.23 | perfector | ?? |
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| 08:45.40 | beardy | !non-free |
| 08:45.40 | dpkg | hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 08:46.10 | beardy | perfector: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
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| 08:47.43 | Obligatory | streuner, but I'm running a stock unstable with a '.linux-image-2.6.22-3-k7' kernel. The kernel's out there, but the headers are AWOL. |
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| 08:49.22 | streuner | !awol |
| 08:49.22 | dpkg | somebody said awol was Absent WithOut Leave; a military term. |
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| 08:49.40 | ronr | !usbdrive install |
| 08:49.54 | ronr | hmm... no bot :( |
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| 08:50.06 | SpeedyG | ronr: bot, but no entry |
| 08:50.22 | \amethyst | Obligatory: they're gone from sid but that header package is still in lenny |
| 08:50.35 | tralala | streuner, -k7 doesn't seem to be out |
| 08:50.55 | streuner | tralala: scroll up |
| 08:51.03 | wols | tralala: there is no k7 anymore |
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| 08:51.31 | SpeedyG | the 2.6.22 is the last k7-kernel ? :) |
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| 08:51.37 | wols | yes |
| 08:51.42 | ronr | SpeedyG: ok, I'll google |
| 08:52.04 | \amethyst | just use the 686 version |
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| 08:53.02 | tralala | and one of the reasons .23 is not in testing appears to be the lack of -k7 |
| 08:53.03 | beardy | Ah.. but it's not removed from the kernel sources? |
| 08:53.16 | \amethyst | nothing's removed |
| 08:53.16 | wols | tralala: no. there will be no more -k7 |
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| 08:53.48 | tralala | wols, discontinued from upstream or dropped by debian? Do you have any links? |
| 08:54.07 | wols | not provided by debian anymore. was some mailinglist post |
| 08:54.17 | streuner | dpkg, k7 is also Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. |
| 08:54.17 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 08:54.18 | \amethyst | !bug 454777 |
| 08:54.23 | tralala | -devel, -announce? |
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| 08:54.52 | streuner | tralala: no idea, we need to find that out, true |
| 08:55.05 | |XO| | if i have an alias interface( ifconfig eth0:1 123.4.5.6) how can i remove only that alias |
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| 08:55.49 | SpeedyG | |XO|: ifconfig eth0:1 down |
| 08:56.27 | beardy | I'd like to see the reason for that too.. |
| 08:56.35 | |XO| | SpeedyG thanks |
| 08:57.07 | SlayerXP | that will down all of eth0 |
| 08:57.12 | SlayerXP | not just that vif |
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| 08:58.20 | Obligatory | \amethyst, thanks for the BTS cite, guess I'll settle for 686 then... |
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| 08:58.38 | |XO| | SlayerXP no it just kills the vif |
| 08:58.43 | |XO| | just tried it |
| 08:58.45 | perfector | i was curious if there is anything like deltarpms for deb packages? |
| 08:59.19 | tralala | hmm, found out just a single a "drop" line in a devel announcement. |
| 08:59.29 | beardy | perfector: What is that? No, 99.9% of what you need is packaged and in the repos. |
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| 09:00.17 | streuner | deadcat: fix your connection! |
| 09:00.32 | perfector | beardy: huh? no i didnt understand that. |
| 09:01.01 | beardy | perfector: Ok, I didn't understand you, so we're even. |
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| 09:02.05 | wols | beardy: deltarpm probably mean: "only download the part of a deb that's changed instead of the whole deb again when a new verison comes out" |
| 09:02.11 | wols | perfector: there isn't |
| 09:03.14 | tralala | dpkg, k7 is also see <no more k7> |
| 09:03.14 | dpkg | tralala: okay |
| 09:03.25 | streuner | !no more k7 |
| 09:04.03 | tralala | ha! |
| 09:04.08 | beardy | wols: Oh. |
| 09:04.12 | tralala | dpkg, you bitch you said ok! |
| 09:04.12 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 09:04.24 | streuner | dpkg, factinfo no more k7 |
| 09:04.24 | dpkg | streuner: there's no such factoid as no more k7 |
| 09:04.37 | SpeedyG | !k7 |
| 09:04.37 | dpkg | well, k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. see <no more k7> |
| 09:04.41 | CAiRO_ | why would the udev rule KERNEL=="sd*", ATTRS{serial}=="1E2C120302C4", SYMLINK="CardReader" not create my CardReader symlink? |
| 09:04.42 | wols | dpkg: forget no more k7 |
| 09:04.42 | dpkg | wols: i didn't have anything called 'no more k7' to forget |
| 09:04.44 | SpeedyG | ah :) |
| 09:04.53 | CAiRO_ | i don't get it.. udev doesn't complain anymore but it neither creates the symlink |
| 09:05.22 | tralala | dpkg, no more k7 is <reply> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 09:05.22 | dpkg | tralala: okay |
| 09:05.37 | tralala | !factinfo no more k7 |
| 09:05.37 | dpkg | tralala: there's no such factoid as no more k7 |
| 09:05.42 | tralala | bitch |
| 09:05.57 | beardy | !factinfo no more k7 |
| 09:05.57 | dpkg | beardy: there's no such factoid as no more k7 |
| 09:06.15 | harpal | Where can i find lex.yy.c file? |
| 09:06.18 | beardy | Ahem.. database rot. |
| 09:06.24 | harpal | means which package? |
| 09:06.27 | hark | !more k7 |
| 09:06.27 | dpkg | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 09:06.37 | beardy | Ah.. heh |
| 09:06.42 | tralala | ops |
| 09:06.50 | beardy | !beer hark |
| 09:07.02 | PythonNinja | !beer me |
| 09:07.37 | perfector | thanks wols |
| 09:08.15 | tralala | I should read the bloot bot's docs some day |
| 09:08.49 | streuner | tralala: "no" is in syntax of the bot like is... |
| 09:08.49 | tralala | in the mean time I'll let someone smarter (looking at hark) fix it |
| 09:09.02 | perfector | wols: do u think it will be possible that sucha thing can come into existence? |
| 09:09.05 | streuner | just choose another term, the bot cannot handle that |
| 09:09.06 | hark | ha, nice try :) |
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| 09:10.03 | streuner | tralala: k7 is out, for example |
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| 09:10.35 | streuner | argh, "is" <-- dont use that too :-) |
| 09:10.57 | beardy | k7 dropped |
| 09:10.59 | tralala | my original plan was k7 is no more |
| 09:11.08 | PythonNinja | hahaha |
| 09:11.10 | PythonNinja | ownt |
| 09:11.15 | streuner | yeah, beardy, thats a good idea |
| 09:11.16 | tralala | but I figured is won't do |
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| 09:12.00 | beardy | I think it dropped much too soon though, are there good benchmarks between -486 and -686 then? |
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| 09:12.17 | tralala | dpkg, forget more k7 |
| 09:12.30 | tralala | 11:12 <dpkg> cannot remove factoid 'more k7', too old. (13889.3835300926>12096) use 'no,' instead |
| 09:12.35 | SpeedyG | how about make it k7-discontinued ? :) |
| 09:12.41 | beardy | Just leave it then. |
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| 09:13.36 | Obligatory | Tnx peeps & bot, off to 686land... |
| 09:14.09 | tralala | dpkg, k7 =~ s/<no more k7>/<k7 dropped>/ |
| 09:14.09 | dpkg | OK, tralala |
| 09:14.22 | tralala | !fix dpkg |
| 09:14.49 | liable | !kill IBM |
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| 09:14.56 | liable | fishy |
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| 09:16.34 | liable | i thought i was onto a similar fix like no1802, but it seems i'm going to need to disassemble my bios and learn a bit of assembly |
| 09:17.24 | frego | Can someone point me to the doc on how to change set ethernet card to be eth0 and firewire eth1? I can't find it again |
| 09:17.34 | Stinger_ | how stable is sid? Is it likely to have a lot of stuff broken a lot of the time? |
| 09:17.42 | streuner | unstable |
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| 09:17.50 | streuner | sid=unstable |
| 09:17.55 | streuner | Stinger_: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 09:18.29 | liable | frego: edit your /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 09:18.58 | streuner | frego: and google for udev rules :-) (how to edit) |
| 09:18.59 | frego | liable: ah thx that was it |
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| 09:19.25 | frego | streuner: I remembered it was there but I was editing the wrong file :) |
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| 09:20.05 | lobak | hello |
| 09:20.25 | lobak | can someone help me identify this apps? |
| 09:20.26 | lobak | http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/72603-2.jpg <--- can someone tell me, what is the apps on the top of that screen?that status apps |
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| 09:21.18 | frego | lobak: maybe dzen2? |
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| 09:23.05 | sep | is there a proc entry that keeps track of how many connections there are in the current contrack table |
| 09:23.32 | sep | or a way to disable contrack (it's built in, and not as a module unfortunatly) |
| 09:23.46 | tralala | liable, or you simply give up and buy a "supported" card |
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| 09:25.15 | tralala | in either case you waste something - your money or your time (and potentially your laptop) |
| 09:26.09 | liable | tralala: nope, they dont even have it as supported, so i cant buy it if I wanted. So I have a laptop with a three year warranty that cant be upgraded to the latest technology |
| 09:26.29 | liable | i dont mind wasting my time. I get to learn along the way |
| 09:26.33 | tralala | oh... |
| 09:28.09 | sep | time spent learning is invested not wasted |
| 09:28.11 | tralala | I hate to learn a lot of stuff for a one-time job. Unless I consider it fun in which case I might learn a lot of stuff without any purpose at all. |
| 09:28.20 | sep | (arguably depends on what you learn but...) |
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| 09:32.04 | sep | nobody knows anything for my contrack question above ? |
| 09:32.59 | wols | sep: why doy ou want it disabled? |
| 09:33.08 | sep | wols, saving cpu/ram |
| 09:33.30 | wols | considering netstat works without conntrack it should be possible. check its source |
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| 09:33.58 | gtrig | Hello everybody... |
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| 09:34.50 | sep | wols, netstat only considers conenctions to and from the machine afaik, it's not that tied to contrack that keep track of connections thru the machine as well. |
| 09:34.50 | PythonNinja | hi.. |
| 09:35.07 | sep | wols, afaik atlest |
| 09:35.07 | wols | true |
| 09:35.26 | wols | at least not since 2.2 or 2.4 anymore (then it could check NAT too) |
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| 09:37.07 | sep | i think nat depends on conntrack ? but i just want it off, or perhaps learn how many lines there are in the table atm |
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| 09:37.20 | sep | s/or/and/ |
| 09:37.30 | wols | conntrack has a /proc file |
| 09:37.36 | wols | read it in, do a wc -l on it |
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| 09:38.25 | sep | wols, i can't it takes 20 minutes, and does a denial of service on the router while it's running |
| 09:39.16 | simonrvn | cat the thing to a file, then do the wc -l |
| 09:39.18 | wols | first get the full file, then do a wc -l on the copy? |
| 09:39.26 | simonrvn | wols, mindreader ;p |
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| 09:40.09 | sep | hmm perhaps that might work better. |
| 09:40.15 | simonrvn | surely |
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| 09:49.18 | sep | wols, simonrvn takes ages to transfer, but atlest i can do it whitout killing the network |
| 09:49.26 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 09:54.27 | sep | wols, simonrvn oh well it only uses 23MB of ram so it's not _that_ much to save by disabeling it. ofcourse it may use some cpu maintaining it. and that's worse. there was only 146299 connections tracked |
| 09:55.21 | wols | only? |
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| 09:55.43 | sep | its still 2 houers till peek time |
| 09:55.52 | ronr | I seem to recall there is an option in partitioning that would allow me to add new drives later on that'll act as if it is one big drive, is that right (and if yes, what is that option)? |
| 09:55.57 | simonrvn | "peak" |
| 09:56.00 | sep | lvm |
| 09:56.05 | sep | simonrvn, thanks |
| 09:56.13 | tralala | "hours" ;p |
| 09:56.26 | simonrvn | heh |
| 09:56.32 | sep | i guess peek time is a criminal offense |
| 09:56.38 | sep | tralala, thanks |
| 09:56.44 | simonrvn | depends on what you're peekign at ;) |
| 09:56.49 | simonrvn | peeking* |
| 09:57.11 | sep | tralala, ill probably still mistype it next time. but if you keep reminding me it might go in sometime |
| 09:57.13 | themill | sep.peek().poke().jail() ... |
| 09:57.18 | sep | haha |
| 09:57.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:57.41 | sep | so any way to disable conntrack when it's compiled into the kernel ? |
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| 09:58.58 | ronr | sep: thx |
| 09:59.29 | sep | ronr, what did i do now ? |
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| 10:10.00 | rarj | hi. how can i make debian automount my usbflash under my user account ? |
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| 10:11.47 | themill | !automount |
| 10:11.47 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 10:11.53 | themill | rarj: ^^ |
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| 10:12.10 | rarj | themill: thanks |
| 10:12.26 | liable | kde finally appear to have sorted out their automount |
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| 10:12.35 | delire_t61p | liable: in KDE4? |
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| 10:12.42 | themill | liable: it's been pretty good for a while |
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| 10:13.10 | liable | themill: last time I used it, it didnt work, now it seems to work in etch and sid |
| 10:13.33 | themill | liable: it worked ok under sarge too. if you said the right incantations. |
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| 10:14.23 | liable | themill: i must have had them wrong |
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| 10:14.45 | delire_t61p | it's been a couple of years since i've looked at KDE. perhaps i'll download a live distro of some description to see where it's at currently. |
| 10:15.12 | tralala | liable, since etch it has been working flawlessly for me |
| 10:15.32 | delire_t61p | but yes, i remember automounting being a PITA on KDE for a while |
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| 10:16.26 | suppaman | hi |
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| 10:19.44 | rarj | themill, i just followed the dpkgbots instruction, but my usb flashdrive still gets mounted as root |
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| 10:21.17 | themill | rarj: do you have a line in fstab for the drive? (and which instructions did you follow) |
| 10:22.01 | rarj | themill, aptitude install kdebase-kio-plugins; adduser your_username plugdev |
| 10:22.02 | delire_t61p | rarj: the options should be something like defaults,user |
| 10:22.33 | delire_t61p | see /etc/fstab line for that device |
| 10:22.37 | tralala | delire_t61p, there shouldn't be fstab entries for removable disks |
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| 10:23.13 | delire_t61p | tralala: i've done this for years, then again i've never used an automounting feature |
| 10:23.29 | themill | rarj: you need to remove any fstab line that you have for that device and need to log out and log back in again for the group change to work |
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| 10:24.11 | rarj | themill, no my account was already added to plugdevs, and kdebase-kio-plugins already installed |
| 10:24.21 | rarj | themill, do i still need to logout ? |
| 10:24.23 | themill | delire_t61p: as tralala said, if you want automounting with the kde/gnome/etc to work, you need to not have an entry in fstab |
| 10:24.45 | themill | rarj: do you have an entry for this device in fstab? |
| 10:24.45 | delire_t61p | themill: i see. i've never used automounting. |
| 10:25.20 | rarj | themill, no |
| 10:25.28 | themill | hmmm |
| 10:25.30 | rarj | what do i put in under fstype ? |
| 10:25.35 | rarj | its a flash drive |
| 10:25.47 | themill | you shouldn't have anything in fstab for the device |
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| 10:26.00 | rarj | themill, ahh ok |
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| 10:39.53 | PeanutHorst | hey, what's the cron scheduler used in Debian Sarge (trying to kill vixie-cron as root failed), and how can one kill it? |
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| 10:40.22 | CharonX | How can I tell which processes have open ports and which port it is ? |
| 10:40.43 | delire_t61p | netstat -tupa |
| 10:40.47 | CharonX | Thanks |
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| 10:41.18 | delire_t61p | have a look at 'ntop' also. |
| 10:42.07 | CharonX | Thanks for the pointers. No pid shown in netstat, ill keep poking around |
| 10:42.26 | delire_t61p | well it's there in mine, in the right-most column. |
| 10:42.41 | CharonX | All my pi's are just a "-" (dash) |
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| 10:42.52 | delire_t61p | odd. |
| 10:43.00 | CharonX | delire_t61p, DOH. |
| 10:43.06 | CharonX | Did not run it as sudo |
| 10:43.11 | delire_t61p | ; ) |
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| 10:43.31 | delire_t61p | yeah it needs root privs to look that low |
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| 10:44.29 | vlt | Hello. How can I convert .docx documents (seems to be MS's new "open" format) to something readable? |
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| 10:45.43 | suppaman | I see a |
| 10:45.43 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.51 | suppaman | option in dpkg man page, how does it works ? |
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| 10:46.20 | suppaman | I mean I built a lower version of a package and I'd like to install it but when I try dpkg -i --force-downgrade I get a dependency problem |
| 10:46.44 | themill | !downgrade |
| 10:46.44 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 10:47.04 | themill | and whether it works or not is up to luck... |
| 10:47.09 | dante_1core | suppaman: you may need to downgrade some other programs too, but that can become a lot of a hassle |
| 10:47.20 | suppaman | themill: damn I build the package using sdn, was it unnecessary ? |
| 10:47.25 | suppaman | built* |
| 10:47.37 | delire_t61p | probably |
| 10:47.39 | dante_1core | why do you want to downgrade anyway? maybe we can solve that problem |
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| 10:48.07 | suppaman | I'm trying to figure if my samba problems are due to a server/client version mismatch |
| 10:48.17 | suppaman | as I recently safe-upgraded lenny |
| 10:48.20 | PythonNinja | downgrading has been a case of apt-get remove [newpackage] && dpkg -i old.deb |
| 10:48.32 | PythonNinja | but it was only for one thing that got wrecked in a dist-upgrade |
| 10:48.41 | JymmmEMC | Anyone running snmpd on etch, I cna walk locally, but not remotely - been fighting this for a month now. any help would be appreciated. |
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| 10:48.46 | suppaman | PythonNinja: it's the case I think |
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| 10:49.12 | PythonNinja | well, then... go with what i said :D |
| 10:49.19 | suppaman | PythonNinja: do I have to get old.deb manually or can apt download it for me ? |
| 10:49.23 | Lk2 | hi guys |
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| 10:49.43 | suppaman | the point is I just built samba from etch (just to be sure) and that's 3.0.24 while I lenny has 3.0.27 |
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| 10:50.13 | suppaman | now I've got samba 3.0.24 .deb but dpkg fails on dependency on samba common as I've still got 3.0.27 version |
| 10:50.52 | themill | suppaman: then dpkg -i all of the binary packages that come from the samba source package |
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| 10:51.05 | PythonNinja | suppaman: you can maybe get it with apt, but you'll have to modify your sources.list, it'll be easier to just get it via ftp |
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| 10:51.24 | suppaman | themill: they are like 13 .deb, is there a single command ? |
| 10:51.40 | suppaman | like dpkg -i samba.old.deb --and-all-its-dependencies ? |
| 10:51.55 | themill | suppaman: dpkg -i samba*deb |
| 10:52.06 | suppaman | themill: libpam-smbpass_3.0.24-6etch9_i386.deb |
| 10:52.15 | suppaman | i'd rather go with *.deb then |
| 10:52.20 | delire_t61p | tminos: that won't grab the depends. |
| 10:52.27 | suppaman | I tought about some deps option rather than shell wildcards |
| 10:52.33 | delire_t61p | themill: that won't grab the depends. |
| 10:53.07 | themill | delire_t61p: of course not, but they should already be installed, and the forward-ported package shouldn't have (hopefully) different dependencies ;) |
| 10:53.14 | delire_t61p | true.. |
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| 10:54.43 | suppaman | themill: so now I have to apt remove all dependencies by hand as I've just removed samba |
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| 10:55.23 | delire_t61p | suppaman: you could try doing something clever with dpkg --get/set-selections |
| 10:55.35 | suppaman | I mean I removed samba 3.0.27 but I still have samba-common 3.0.27 and all others deps, in order to install 3.0.24 deps I have to remove newer version by hand |
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| 10:55.48 | suppaman | delire_t61p: I'll have a look |
| 10:55.51 | delire_t61p | suppaman: yes, that is a bit boring. |
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| 10:56.14 | suppaman | I gave an apt-get autoremove |
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| 10:57.44 | suppaman | no wait |
| 10:57.50 | suppaman | I'll try the simplest |
| 10:57.53 | suppaman | dpkg --force-all |
| 10:58.05 | delire_t61p | hehe |
| 10:58.14 | delire_t61p | "boom" |
| 10:58.29 | suppaman | cross (my) fingers |
| 10:58.29 | delire_t61p | dpkg --intestine-removal |
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| 10:59.10 | suppaman | wow pretty populated #deb |
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| 10:59.38 | delire_t61p | suppaman: reading around it seems Debian is becoming a little popular again. |
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| 11:00.35 | Maulkin | Dammit, it is? We'll have to scare everyone away again now. |
| 11:01.03 | PythonNinja | Maulkin: don't you remember how much of a pain it is to do anything on debian? |
| 11:01.04 | delire_t61p | Maulkin: yes, it is cause for concern. next there'll be t-shirts and social events and everything. |
| 11:01.06 | SlayerXP | delire_t61p: don't worry, I can help sort that out |
| 11:01.11 | JymmmEMC | anyone running snmpd? |
| 11:01.17 | SlayerXP | JymmmEMC: NO. |
| 11:01.21 | SlayerXP | see? |
| 11:01.24 | delire_t61p | SlayerXP: glad someone's on the case. |
| 11:01.49 | tralala | JymmmEMC, /msg dpkg ask |
| 11:01.49 | JymmmEMC | anyone able to run snmpd via init? |
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| 11:02.14 | Maulkin | delire_t61p: Someone will demand more kilts! |
| 11:02.32 | tralala | JymmmEMC, isn't there an init script that runs it? |
| 11:02.33 | delire_t61p | Maulkin: i think what we need is another major libstdc ABI transition. that'll scare them off. |
| 11:02.56 | Maulkin | PythonNinja: no. LAst time I installed etch, eveythign just worked. I miss spending hours with a X config. |
| 11:03.11 | JymmmEMC | tralala: Yes, the problem is that it doens't respond remotely to snmpwalk, only locally when started from init. If I start from cli, no problem at all. |
| 11:03.16 | Maulkin | NO. BAD delire_t61p. ENOTRANSITIONS |
| 11:04.06 | JymmmEMC | tralala: I'm just trying to find someone else who has a got it going sucesfully on etch. |
| 11:04.06 | tralala | JymmmEMC, check the config files and possibly /etc/default/snmp or such |
| 11:04.11 | Maulkin | delire_t61p: It makes http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/status/dtsa-candidates go mad. And that means problems for me |
| 11:04.12 | delire_t61p | Maulkin: i really miss spending 5hours recovering my system after an ABI fallout. |
| 11:04.15 | suppaman | I appreciate debian |
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| 11:04.36 | JymmmEMC | tralala: I have, multiple times actually. Even did a clean install of etch as well |
| 11:04.37 | Maulkin | delire_t61p: Plus, it means problems for the release team, which is problems for me :) |
| 11:04.54 | tralala | JymmmEMC, what does netstat say? |
| 11:04.59 | PythonNinja | Maulkin: i was being sarcastic, after you said we should scare people off. and i only discovered xconf like 2 weeks ago... i spent weeks with vi /etc/X11/XFree86.conf on redhat 7 when i was 8 |
| 11:05.32 | Maulkin | PythonNinja: I know. I still miss it though. It's no accomplishment to install Debian these days :P |
| 11:05.55 | delire_t61p | Maulkin: hehe i'm joking of course. i've been using Debian for 10 years. two ABI transitions in particular were the only times i've really felt like trying another distribution. |
| 11:05.58 | PythonNinja | true, though it is if you proudly proclaim that you built the install CD yourself |
| 11:06.01 | tralala | Maulkin, at least it's still an accomplishment to get support here |
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| 11:06.29 | PythonNinja | tralala: true, /me ignores all messages with the word help in them |
| 11:06.35 | JymmmEMC | tralala: nada - i dont see it coming in. do I need to add any switches? |
| 11:06.39 | deadeyez | hi all |
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| 11:07.13 | JymmmEMC | tralala: Hell, I dont see the two ssh session I have running for that matter. |
| 11:07.20 | deadeyez | I am building a java application (with Eclipse on debian) but when I run it I get a JFrame with only a dark-grey background |
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| 11:07.25 | kunsi | quotaon: Cannot stat() mounted device /dev/sda1 <- why am i getting this error? /dev/sda1 is mounted at / |
| 11:07.30 | deadeyez | but previously this worked correct |
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| 11:07.50 | deadeyez | I did not change anything to the coe |
| 11:07.54 | JymmmEMC | tralala: woops, I lied, just delayed. |
| 11:07.57 | deadeyez | s/coe/code |
| 11:08.32 | tralala | JymmmEMC, I bet your default configuration listens for local connections only |
| 11:08.49 | deadeyez | anyone an idea? |
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| 11:09.06 | JymmmEMC | tralala: I think so, I have multiple ip's aliased on this box |
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| 11:09.31 | delire_t61p | deadeyez: #java? it could be many things. |
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| 11:10.03 | tralala | JymmmEMC, well, figure out how to change it. man + /usr/share/doc/<packagename> are almost certainly going to tell you what to do |
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| 11:11.11 | JymmmEMC | tralala: no, no, not just localhost. snmpd doens't know which ip to listen on. |
| 11:11.19 | JymmmEMC | tralala: memory is returning |
| 11:11.24 | mbroeker | A friend of mine has a motorola mobile phone and wants to connect it to my pc via a serial cable. Do i need ppp or isdn support in the kernel ? (Maybe a strange question, but i am not sure, what i need) |
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| 11:12.00 | tralala | JymmmEMC, in this case it is disabled by default and you have to change a setting to enable it. Most likely this setting is in /etc/default/ |
| 11:12.17 | JymmmEMC | tralala: for snmpd? |
| 11:12.34 | deadeyez | delire_t61p: hey... I just remembered what solved this problem the other day... I use emerald and by replacing it with kwin I can see the components in the JFrame again:) |
| 11:12.41 | tralala | JymmmEMC, for many debian services |
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| 11:13.09 | delire_t61p | i'm not a big Java guy but.. great! |
| 11:13.26 | kunsi | i asked google for "Cannot stat() mounted device", i didnt find an explaination |
| 11:13.43 | JymmmEMC | tralala: Ok, I see this: # snmpd options (use syslog, close stdin/out/err). |
| 11:13.43 | JymmmEMC | SNMPDOPTS='-Lsd -Lf /dev/null -u snmp -I -smux -p /var/run/snmpd.pid 127.0.0.1' |
| 11:14.08 | tralala | JymmmEMC, there you go. It listens only locally by default |
| 11:14.11 | JymmmEMC | tralala: would I just add on the realip to the end of 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:14.20 | vince36 | Hi to all, debian gnome user here, i have a permanent nautilus ftp icon link on my desktop, and watching the connections (watch lsof -i), i see that if i connect one time and close it, the connection still remain, persistant, any ideas to fix this ? |
| 11:14.20 | JymmmEMC | space? comma? |
| 11:14.31 | delire_t61p | kunsi: i don't know why you have this issue. what are you trying to do? |
| 11:14.33 | tralala | you would replace 127.0.0.1 with the real IP |
| 11:14.48 | JymmmEMC | tralala: I'd like it to listen to both |
| 11:15.09 | kunsi | delire_t61p: im trying to install and use quota, the error is shown after installing the package with apt-get |
| 11:15.11 | PythonNinja | vince36: this sounds like a gnome/nautilus problem to me, perhaps ask in those channels? |
| 11:15.15 | tralala | JymmmEMC, in this case check the snmpd manual |
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| 11:15.21 | kunsi | s/after/during/ |
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| 11:15.27 | vince36 | PyroMithrandir, true....(o: |
| 11:15.41 | vince36 | i tried... |
| 11:15.42 | delire_t61p | vince36: kill the PID? sounds like a bug to me |
| 11:15.51 | JymmmEMC | tralala: I have, I really really have, but there in no mention of this default file at all that I have seen. Is it debian specific? |
| 11:15.57 | vince36 | mmmnot sound like a bug to me |
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| 11:16.14 | mbroeker | brb |
| 11:16.15 | vince36 | delire_, but thx |
| 11:16.18 | delire_t61p | kunsi: odd. |
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| 11:16.37 | kunsi | odd? |
| 11:16.39 | tralala | JymmmEMC, it is debian specific and you don't care about the file, what you see there are the command line options that the init script passes to snmpd. Tweak them to your liking according to the manual. |
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| 11:16.59 | delire_t61p | kunsi: this is an error with Quota, not apt or a related Debian utility. |
| 11:17.20 | delire_t61p | kunsi: quota is trying to query the device mounted at '/' and cannot, for some reason. |
| 11:17.26 | kunsi | so you think i have to ask the developers of quota? |
| 11:17.32 | JymmmEMC | tralala: Ok, I gotcha now. Not to hunt thru some obfusicated wiki pages |
| 11:17.39 | JymmmEMC | s/not/now/ |
| 11:17.41 | delire_t61p | kunsi: this will likely be output from a post-install script. |
| 11:18.02 | delire_t61p | kunsi: yes, i would look at quota mailing lists etc |
| 11:18.29 | delire_t61p | kunsi: you could also grep for the function 'stat()' in the post install scripts of quota |
| 11:18.47 | tralala | JymmmEMC, no need. man snmpd |
| 11:19.51 | JymmmEMC | tralala: OH FUCK ME!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:20.06 | JymmmEMC | tralala: I have been working on this for 6 weeks! |
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| 11:20.21 | tralala | JymmmEMC, well, thanks for the offer, but no thanks |
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| 11:20.58 | JymmmEMC | tralala: Well, not really an offer as much as a statement of relief and joy =) |
| 11:21.11 | tralala | JymmmEMC, enjoy your debian |
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| 11:22.43 | JymmmEMC | tralala: I originally had ubuntu-server installed. Heard it had issues with sshd, so deracked the server, installed etch, still had the same sshd issues, anyhow...it's been a long bumpy road. |
| 11:23.17 | tralala | I've never had any sshd issues with etch |
| 11:23.56 | JymmmEMC | tralala: I suspect my router here more than anythign else now. Though I heard it was the way the kernel was pkgd in ubuntu |
| 11:24.26 | kunsi | delire_t61p: any idea where i could find this script? |
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| 11:24.30 | Sajes | Why is it whenever I launch a graphical application from a terminal it gives me "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" "Xlib: No protocol specified"? |
| 11:24.56 | tralala | JymmmEMC, sounds unlikely but then I don't know much of ubuntu |
| 11:25.13 | Sajes | I installed KDE3.5 after installing Debian that came with gnome, but surely, that shouldn't make it do that? |
| 11:25.25 | marc7 | tralala: man, I should get you to help me with my OpenVPN problem... if JymmmEMC's reaction is any hint as to how helpful you might be ;-) |
| 11:25.34 | delire_t61p | kunsi: if it is in a post-install script, it will be in the debian package. extract the package into /tmp and inspect it. |
| 11:25.41 | marc7 | it's actually more of an IP Forwarding problem... |
| 11:25.41 | kunsi | ok |
| 11:25.47 | tralala | marc7, as long as I don't have to fuck you afterwards we'll both be fine |
| 11:25.58 | JymmmEMC | tralala: before, not after |
| 11:26.02 | delire_t61p | keep it clean lads. |
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| 11:26.14 | marc7 | ah, missed that first part. |
| 11:26.20 | JymmmEMC | who you calling lad?! |
| 11:26.21 | marc7 | *changes the contract slightly* |
| 11:26.28 | Sajes | I'll try restarting my computer. I'll be back in a few minutes. |
| 11:26.30 | tralala | hehe |
| 11:26.39 | delire_t61p | JymmmEMC: oops. |
| 11:26.44 | JymmmEMC | =) |
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| 11:27.48 | tralala | marc7, openvpn is fairly easy to setup. In only gets hairy if you do certificate authentication with your own certificate authority |
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| 11:28.20 | JymmmEMC | tralala: unless he's running NAT too |
| 11:28.38 | tralala | openvpn is the easiest thing to NAT |
| 11:28.52 | JymmmEMC | tralala: AH ? |
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| 11:29.08 | marc7 | yeah, so let's say openvpn isn't the problem... my problem is IP forwarding 101 |
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| 11:29.20 | JymmmEMC | as in Authenticated Header, |
| 11:30.01 | JymmmEMC | or is OpenVPN different from IPSec? |
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| 11:30.11 | tralala | completely different |
| 11:30.16 | JymmmEMC | ah, ok |
| 11:30.16 | pdani__ | i have an array. how can i create a dict from it indexed by the values, like from array("1", "2", "3") -> array("1"=>"1", "2"=>"2", "3"=>"3")? |
| 11:30.29 | marc7 | SSL-based VPN |
| 11:30.31 | martian67 | is there any command I can use to slow down the printing of lines? |
| 11:30.39 | azeem | pdani__: please ask in a channel dedicated to programming |
| 11:30.49 | pdani__ | oh |
| 11:30.51 | pdani__ | sorry :) |
| 11:30.51 | JymmmEMC | marc7: sounds..... icky |
| 11:30.51 | delire_t61p | pdani__: why are you asking that in here? |
| 11:30.54 | pdani__ | wrong channel |
| 11:31.01 | pdani__ | sorry :-D |
| 11:31.02 | delire_t61p | ;) |
| 11:31.19 | tralala | marc7, what's your networks setup |
| 11:31.31 | tralala | (best if you post a drawing) |
| 11:31.36 | marc7 | so in our setup, vpn client -> vpn server, where the server has a public IP and an RFC1918 addres 10.0.0.1... after the VPN is established I can ping the OpenVPN address (10.99.99.1), and after adding an appropriate route on the client I can ping the 10.0.0.1 address.. the problem is when I'm trying to ping anything else in the 10.0.0.0 space |
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| 11:32.01 | JymmmEMC | tralala: "Multi-hosted across 17 subnets and 14 nics, natted to 300 subnets" ;) |
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| 11:32.30 | marc7 | so my current thought is that I need to configure the rest of the servers in the 10.0.0.0 space with routes to forward packets back to 10.0.0.1... because none of the hosts on the 10.0.0.0/24 space have a default GW |
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| 11:32.42 | marc7 | not true, don't have a route for 10.* space traffic |
| 11:32.46 | Sajes | okay, yeah, that didn't help. |
| 11:33.00 | marc7 | oh, and I just saw the drawing request |
| 11:33.11 | marc7 | will try and put something together quickly |
| 11:33.26 | JymmmEMC | marc7: no GW ??? |
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| 11:33.50 | tralala | marc7, put the networks/routes too |
| 11:34.33 | JymmmEMC | marc7: why dont they have a gateway? |
| 11:34.35 | marc7 | JymmmEMC: most of the servers have external and internal IP addresses... and there's no route for the internal addresses because they're all on the same switch/VLAN... they can get to each other just by the ARP tables |
| 11:34.51 | marc7 | there's a default GW for the external traffic |
| 11:34.59 | JymmmEMC | marc7: but why shit all over the arp tables like that? |
| 11:35.30 | marc7 | it's a small network? |
| 11:35.53 | marc7 | it's a very small amount of poo |
| 11:36.05 | JymmmEMC | marc7: Ok, but why overwork the switch and all that excess BC if it's not needed. |
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| 11:36.43 | JymmmEMC | marc7: Not being condensending, just trying to understand why |
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| 11:37.32 | JymmmEMC | is it laziness? didn't think about it originally? something else? |
| 11:38.37 | marc7 | the switch is poorly underutilized, we're talking 10 servers talking amongst each other using a different addressing scheme... the game is changing because we need to work around NAT and assign 10.* space addresses at a client's site that are reachable from the datacenter |
| 11:38.40 | marc7 | there's no reason a route is needed if two servers on the same switch are talking to each other |
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| 11:38.58 | JymmmEMC | marc7: if it's only 10 boxes, add the gateway and be done with that headache |
| 11:39.17 | marc7 | what headache? you make it sound as if I've got motrin(tm) pain! |
| 11:39.18 | JymmmEMC | marc7: or invest in a ipkvm |
| 11:39.37 | marc7 | i have an ipkvm, that's entirely irrelevant to the problem at hand. |
| 11:39.44 | jelly | a properly configured network iface will set up a route for the segment... what's the problem? |
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| 11:40.00 | niru | failed to initialize portaudio sound |
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| 11:40.10 | tralala | marc7, what about that picture |
| 11:40.28 | niru | what does that mean |
| 11:40.34 | marc7 | tralala: got distracted, apologies. |
| 11:40.45 | JymmmEMC | marc7: LOOK! A shiny thing! |
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| 11:40.56 | JymmmEMC | ;) |
| 11:40.56 | Slap_stick | does anybody know what would happen to the data that is in swap if you run swapoff, would it move the data from swap into the free memory that is available or would it just not let you run it? |
| 11:41.01 | delire_t61p | niru: that the portaudio sound server wasn't able to be initialised? it's fairly self explanatory no? |
| 11:41.32 | delire_t61p | Slap_stick: it shouldn't let you access that data, no. |
| 11:41.35 | delire_t61p | AFAIK |
| 11:41.41 | suppaman | isn't dpkg -r to remove a dpkg -i installed package ? |
| 11:41.47 | Slap_stick | ok cool |
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| 11:41.57 | suppaman | oh wait, I typed --r |
| 11:42.00 | delire_t61p | suppaman: use -P for purge |
| 11:42.02 | niru | delire_t61p, how can I solve that |
| 11:42.10 | suppaman | delire_t61p: is Purge better ? |
| 11:42.16 | delire_t61p | suppaman: but yes, to answer your question '-r' is remove ;) |
| 11:42.37 | jelly | Slap_stick: the swapped off data gets paged in, and if there's not enough free memory swapoff fails |
| 11:42.40 | delire_t61p | suppaman: yes, i think so. |
| 11:43.18 | delire_t61p | suppaman: i've never used apt-get remove or dpkg -r. i like to clean all the installed components out with -p |
| 11:43.55 | suppaman | I need config files |
| 11:44.01 | JymmmEMC | delire_t61p: what does -p do that -r doesn't? |
| 11:44.17 | JymmmEMC | (basically) |
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| 11:44.21 | delire_t61p | JymmmEMC: suppaman it's actually -P not -p |
| 11:44.45 | tralala | JymmmEMC, cleans up the configs (this + much more in man dpkg) |
| 11:44.45 | JymmmEMC | ok, -P that -r dont |
| 11:44.50 | delire_t61p | JymmmEMC: it removes all the config files also. |
| 11:44.52 | suppaman | JymmmEMC: purge config files |
| 11:44.59 | JymmmEMC | tralala: ah, gotcha |
| 11:45.11 | JymmmEMC | suppaman delire_t61p TY |
| 11:45.12 | tralala | JymmmEMC, I hope se |
| 11:45.16 | tralala | so |
| 11:45.17 | delire_t61p | de nada |
| 11:45.35 | marc7 | tralala: I really don't need a network diagram. two computers with public interfaces. one of them has a second interface with the IP address 10.0.0.1 and it can reach other computers on its local switch without needing a route. I'm trying to reach those other 10.0.0.x servers from the client that's successfully connected to openvpn |
| 11:45.58 | marc7 | something tells me I need to reconfigure all those servers to use 10.0.0.1 as a router for traffic along that space |
| 11:46.14 | delire_t61p | while we're onto purging. time to get rid of exim muarharhar |
| 11:46.24 | marc7 | instead of their current ad-hoc communication |
| 11:46.26 | jelly | delire_t61p: apt-get --purge remove does the deed too (while taking down the dependencies as well), no need to invoke dpkg manually |
| 11:46.46 | marc7 | my next step is to verify that with tcpdump... but it's 4AM and this needs to be working in the morning |
| 11:46.51 | delire_t61p | jelly: yes this is true, albeit a heap more characters ;) |
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| 11:47.02 | tralala | marc7, what's the client virtual IP? |
| 11:47.06 | jelly | delire_t61p: have fun removing eg. gnome with dpkg |
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| 11:47.14 | delire_t61p | jelly: hehe |
| 11:47.49 | marc7 | tralala: OpenVPN is setup now so that the OpenVPN server is 10.99.99.1 and the client is 10.99.99.2 |
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| 11:48.22 | marc7 | it doesn't (possibly can't) reside in the 10.0.0.0/24 space |
| 11:48.24 | tralala | marc7, and the servers have a subnet of /24 or /8? |
| 11:48.28 | jelly | marc7: what is the netmask on the 10.0.0.x interface? |
| 11:48.33 | marc7 | subnet of /24 |
| 11:48.45 | marc7 | 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:49.12 | tralala | marc7, you have two options: add routes for 10.99.99.0/24 to each server or do NAT on 10.0.0.1 |
| 11:49.17 | marc7 | the server and client (when successfully connected) have a tun0 interface with 10.99.* |
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| 11:50.18 | jelly | marc7: connections to other 10.0.0.0/24 machines ought to work. Pastebin your "ip a" and "ip r" with and without the openvpn connection |
| 11:50.32 | jelly | marc7: (on the vpn client) |
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| 11:50.49 | tralala | jelly, the other machines cannot send back the replies |
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| 11:51.31 | jelly | tralala: hm, aren't they still on the same local 10.0.0.0/24 segment? |
| 11:51.34 | tralala | i.e. they attempt to send them through the default gw, which apparently isn't 10.0.0.1 |
| 11:51.43 | marc7 | tralala: that's correct |
| 11:51.45 | tralala | jelly, not the vpn, no |
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| 11:52.18 | tralala | marc7, oh, yes you have a third option - use 10.0.0.0/24 for the vpn too |
| 11:52.24 | jelly | k, I don't have the compleat picture then |
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| 11:53.03 | marc7 | tralala: NAT is precisely what I'm trying to avoid, so I don't enjoy option #2... and OpenVPN tends to be weird about choosing IP addresses it feels like, so let's say that isn't an option either |
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| 11:53.29 | tralala | marc7, openvpn addresses are completely configurable |
| 11:53.43 | jochien1 | hi -- how does someone upgrade asterisk |
| 11:53.58 | marc7 | okay, they are, but I'd like to keep that subnet isolated. |
| 11:54.22 | marc7 | I guess what I'm trying to figure out is if I can have the OpenVPN server act as a router for the 10.0.0.0/24 space |
| 11:54.36 | tralala | marc7, you can |
| 11:55.00 | marc7 | that wasn't option A, was it? |
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| 11:55.29 | tralala | enable ip_forward, put some FORWARD rules and set the routes of the whole network to use 10.0.0.1 as a gateway for 10.99.0.0/16 (for example) |
| 11:55.53 | Radhad | how can I write on an external harddisk with filesystem ntfs? I can browse it (driver installed) |
| 11:56.01 | jelly | right. no nat-ing involved, just simple routing |
| 11:56.04 | tralala | marc7, I'm affraid it is |
| 11:56.27 | delire_t61p | Radhad: i don't work with NTFS very often, but as a guess.. have you remounted the device? |
| 11:56.35 | delire_t61p | (after installing the driver) |
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| 11:57.04 | sep | tralala, huh ? how the heck do you expect to use 10.0.0.1 as a gw for 10.99.0.0/16 ? |
| 11:57.04 | tralala | Radhad, etch? |
| 11:57.05 | jelly | Radhad: you can, with ntfs-3g. /msg dpkg ntfsrw |
| 11:57.09 | Radhad | yes, etch |
| 11:57.19 | tralala | sep, magic |
| 11:57.40 | delire_t61p | jelly: i assumed that ntfs-3g was the 'driver' he was referring to. |
| 11:57.42 | tralala | Radhad, your best option is ntfs-3g, but it's outdated in etch |
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| 11:58.19 | jelly | delire_t61p: I assume as little as possible, and there is a >1 number of ntfs drivers :-) |
| 11:58.36 | delire_t61p | i see .. |
| 11:58.42 | tralala | I've backported it and pmount (for automounting in kde), but I haven't put the packages online |
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| 11:58.55 | cbr_ | do the kde4 binaries mostly work in experimental? |
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| 11:59.12 | Radhad | the only thing I need is to create folders and files |
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| 11:59.25 | strav | eh. I just went to debian kde which stated I should install gabba meta package for kde4... is this a joke or? (added the repositories and updated, apt can't find any gabba meta package) |
| 11:59.32 | tralala | Radhad, ntfs-3g |
| 11:59.33 | marc7 | tralala: thanks for your help. I'm sure this'll become easier with time. I hate needing to make changes to production environments under a deadline. |
| 12:00.02 | Radhad | I have mountet the hdd at /home/radhad/External, but I cannot write on it |
| 12:00.34 | tralala | marc7, me too. Usually I'm not forcing myself too much though. Either the deadline will be missed or production will be messed up, and hopefully the management will draw some conclusions out of it |
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| 12:00.46 | Radhad | hmm.. I will try a bit around, if I get it to work :) thx 4 help so far |
| 12:00.51 | strav | (besides, search gets me only 2 packages under kde4) |
| 12:01.13 | JymmmEMC | tralala: as long as the conclusion doens't contain "scpae goat" you'll be fine |
| 12:01.33 | tralala | JymmmEMC, maybe it will be for the better even if it does |
| 12:01.54 | tralala | stupid management is a nightmare to work with anyhow |
| 12:02.02 | JymmmEMC | tralala: I understand that one way too much... I really hate that IT == CYA |
| 12:02.23 | zealo | tralala: hi |
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| 12:02.33 | tralala | zealo, hey |
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| 12:03.09 | JymmmEMC | damn, I thought I had the sshd timeout fixed =( |
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| 12:03.14 | zealo | tralala: I think this channel should give you a medal for answering sooo many questions ,ha |
| 12:03.19 | tralala | JymmmEMC, sadly that's the case not only with IT. I work in a company like that and I really hate it that the money is too good to leave. |
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| 12:04.01 | tralala | zealo, or my employer should fire me for stalking |
| 12:04.08 | strav | shortly: what is the meta-package for installing kde4? |
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| 12:04.14 | JymmmEMC | tralala: company issued kevlar vests |
| 12:04.23 | marvxx1 | how can i set a FQDN under debian? |
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| 12:04.39 | marvxx1 | i guess /etc/hostname is not enough cause apache still gives me the FQDN warning |
| 12:04.49 | zealo | tralala: :D, No, you are doing good to so many people ! |
| 12:05.12 | jelly | dpkg, where are you?? |
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| 12:05.17 | jelly | oh |
| 12:05.23 | themill | dpkg: wb |
| 12:05.29 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
| 12:05.45 | sep | marvxx1, ServerName in your apache config |
| 12:05.53 | themill | jelly: 12:05 GMT every day ;) |
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| 12:06.04 | netgear | how does one configure the network in debian to be permanent - the settings |
| 12:06.10 | sep | marvxx1, ignore me i was thinking of something else |
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| 12:06.13 | petemc | netgear: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:06.15 | sep | netgear, /net/network/interfaces |
| 12:06.19 | petemc | i win! |
| 12:06.22 | jelly | themill: ah; that's usually lunchtime so I miss it |
| 12:06.26 | netgear | ok |
| 12:06.29 | zealo | petemc: you are fast |
| 12:06.33 | tralala | themill, everybody's got their dark little secrets |
| 12:06.34 | sep | !win petemc |
| 12:06.34 | dpkg | Congratulations, petemc! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 12:06.34 | themill | !win petemc |
| 12:06.36 | petemc | :) |
| 12:06.47 | marvxx1 | Seb: i think when i set it proper in the system i dont need that anymore right? |
| 12:06.50 | jelly | !win sep |
| 12:06.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, sep! You have won the US presidency! |
| 12:06.57 | jelly | heh heh heh |
| 12:07.06 | JymmmEMC | !meaning of life |
| 12:07.06 | dpkg | THE ANSWER LIES IN THE PUDDING, jymmmemc, or 42 |
| 12:07.18 | sep | hmm i am not at all sure it's better then second price in a beauty contest... |
| 12:07.19 | tralala | clearly 42 |
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| 12:07.30 | zealo | tralala: what is 42 ? |
| 12:07.34 | sep | !42 |
| 12:07.35 | dpkg | 42 is probably the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 12:07.41 | jelly | dpkg, how many roads must the man walk down? |
| 12:07.43 | marvxx1 | oh i meant sep |
| 12:07.44 | tralala | zealo, the ultimate answer |
| 12:08.15 | JymmmEMC | !love |
| 12:08.15 | dpkg | Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. |
| 12:08.15 | zealo | WoW |
| 12:08.22 | sep | marvxx1, if you dont use namebased virtual host you might be correct. but i allways have it |
| 12:08.24 | JymmmEMC | lol |
| 12:08.35 | sep | !tell JymmmEMC about msg |
| 12:08.36 | Sajes | Is there a way to replace iceweasel with firefox? |
| 12:09.04 | tralala | Sajes, iceweasel is firefox |
| 12:09.05 | zealo | Sajes: go and install firefox, nobody will stop you |
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| 12:09.21 | jelly | Sajes: Yes. Uninstall iceweasel, install firefox tarball from upstream. Why? |
| 12:09.30 | mbroeker | Sajes, iceweasel has better icons than firefox and acts like the red-headed brother... |
| 12:09.44 | netgear | my debian "router" or want to be router freezes up all the time,how can i see what is doing that? |
| 12:09.52 | zealo | my iceweasel crashes all the time |
| 12:09.55 | themill | Sajes: there is, of course, no point in doing so |
| 12:09.56 | zealo | I use swiftfox |
| 12:10.01 | Sajes | I like firefox's icon better. jelly, what's upstream? |
| 12:10.04 | petemc | netgear: the logs , syslog, messages, dmesg |
| 12:10.23 | netgear | will that still be there after reboot? |
| 12:10.33 | zealo | deb http://getswiftfox.com/builds/debian unstable non-free |
| 12:10.35 | tralala | the logs will |
| 12:10.36 | delire_t61p | zealo: i use bravegoose |
| 12:10.51 | tralala | the question is will they have anything useful recorded from the crash |
| 12:10.58 | JymmmEMC | netgear: on dsl? |
| 12:11.06 | netgear | i have got 400 pentuim 3 to donate, but getting debian working with this old is a problem |
| 12:11.09 | themill | !tell Sajes about upstream |
| 12:11.16 | netgear | no almost like a hub |
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| 12:11.37 | Sajes | themill, thanks. |
| 12:11.40 | netgear | actually want to make a mythtv box out of it, but it crashes so bad |
| 12:11.40 | JymmmEMC | netgear: huh? |
| 12:11.42 | zealo | delire_t61p: another branch of firefox ? |
| 12:11.45 | tralala | netgear, I've used P1@166/32MB RAM as a router running debian etch |
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| 12:12.06 | themill | Sajes: if you like their icon so much, then you should try to convince them to release their icon under a free licence so that it can be used in debian. |
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| 12:12.38 | JymmmEMC | netgear: how are you connected to the internet? |
| 12:12.40 | netgear | tralala: i know i can run with less hardware, how do i remove file server from install? |
| 12:12.44 | delire_t61p | zealo: yes, a fork of the ambitious project, WarmQuail |
| 12:12.54 | tralala | Sajes, to put it shortly if you use firefox on debian you'll be on your own - no support whatsoever. |
| 12:12.58 | netgear | JymmmEMC: i use 3G pcmcia from my notebook |
| 12:13.14 | JymmmEMC | netgear: any pwr mgnt enabled? |
| 12:13.24 | netgear | in bios? |
| 12:13.26 | tralala | netgear, with aptitude |
| 12:13.31 | JymmmEMC | netgear: anywhere |
| 12:13.46 | netgear | not that i know of i will see in bios quickly |
| 12:13.50 | zealo | tralala: my iceweasel crashes all the time, I am lazy to find out y, so just go to swiftfox |
| 12:13.56 | netgear | is there any hdd check for linux? |
| 12:14.03 | joltcan | smart |
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| 12:14.14 | JymmmEMC | fsck ? |
| 12:14.16 | tralala | zealo, mine doesn't so I use it all the time |
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| 12:14.23 | sep | netgear, badblocks |
| 12:14.48 | delire_t61p | iceweasel, like it's trademarked cousin firefox, are both memory leaking shitty browsers sadly. |
| 12:14.56 | netgear | ok,how will debian do with 128mb ram as computer for a school? |
| 12:15.04 | PythonNinja | delire_t61p: what do you use? |
| 12:15.05 | JymmmEMC | delire_t61p++ |
| 12:15.17 | PythonNinja | netgear: i'm running debian on a 16 meg ram machine now |
| 12:15.21 | delire_t61p | PythonNinja: firefox when i have to, epiphany the rest |
| 12:15.23 | tralala | netgear, depends on the alternatives |
| 12:15.26 | netgear | with X? |
| 12:15.33 | PythonNinja | sometimes, when i need it |
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| 12:15.37 | zealo | netgear: depends on what apps you want to use at the same time |
| 12:16.00 | netgear | well the company wants to throw it away all 400 pcs so i said give me a while to test debian to give it to a school to learn typing etc. im from africa btw |
| 12:16.07 | PythonNinja | i use screen and lots of console based stuff, because even on my powerful machines i still just have 1000's of shells oopen |
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| 12:16.19 | delire_t61p | netgear: you'll find that firefox will eat up most of that memory, as would openoffice. look at alternatives like swiftfox and abiword, light email clients etc, and you'll be fine. |
| 12:16.24 | netgear | zealo: im thinking of a plain trimmed down version of debian |
| 12:16.34 | zealo | netgear: typing ! That's quite enough |
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| 12:16.43 | tralala | netgear, what other machines does the school have? PII/128 should be fine for many tasks. |
| 12:16.52 | netgear | they have none |
| 12:16.53 | delire_t61p | netgear: one of my laptops has 128M ram and runs Debian very nicely |
| 12:16.57 | netgear | zealo: what typing? |
| 12:17.04 | zealo | netgear: install the basic system at the beginning and apt-get whatever you need |
| 12:17.17 | delire_t61p | netgear: i use a light wm: http://dwm.suckless.org |
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| 12:17.24 | tralala | netgear, in this case it will do lovely |
| 12:17.25 | zealo | to learn typing etc |
| 12:18.16 | netgear | 400 pcs to installl is alot |
| 12:18.35 | delire_t61p | debian sans gnome/kde makes a great OS for a low-spec laptop. |
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| 12:18.50 | zealo | netgear: install on one machine and cp the installation to all the others |
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| 12:19.10 | jochien1 | !asterisk |
| 12:19.10 | dpkg | asterisk is probably a VoIP phone system for linux. Very powerful very cool, or #asterisk-stable, or http://www.asterisk.org/ |
| 12:19.30 | mooper | hullo. Can anyone remind me about disk partitions? 4 primary .... |
| 12:19.34 | mooper | !partition |
| 12:19.34 | dpkg | You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions". Partition manipulators include fdisk, <cfdisk>, sfdisk, <parted> and <gparted>. Also ask about <list partitions>. Linux Partition HOWTO: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/ |
| 12:20.51 | zealo | netgear: if you have LAN, tar cf - | ssh other "cd / ; tar xf -" will do the job |
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| 12:21.26 | delire_t61p | or netinstall from that one laptop over the lan to the others. |
| 12:21.53 | zealo | mooper: 4 pri, any one of them can be extended, and ext can be furthur divided to other ext |
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| 12:22.51 | zealo | delire_t61p: mine is the fastes approach, :), this transfer is much faster than ftp or http download |
| 12:23.03 | delire_t61p | true ;) |
| 12:23.16 | tralala | netgear, /msg dpkg fai |
| 12:23.29 | zealo | delire_t61p: :) |
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| 12:23.38 | tralala | zealo, delire_t61p relax, you're both wrong |
| 12:23.44 | delire_t61p | haha |
| 12:23.51 | delire_t61p | tralala: let us have it |
| 12:23.56 | zealo | tralala: you have better one ? |
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| 12:24.07 | zealo | WoW |
| 12:24.25 | jelly | Debian should have an image-based installer for speed! |
| 12:24.48 | delire_t61p | hehe |
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| 12:25.03 | netgear | i have 3 network interfaces on my headless machine, i want it to have ip's 192.168.0.2 and 192.168.0.3 and 192.168.0.4 on various interfaces and all to use 192.168.0.1 as gw |
| 12:25.07 | zealo | jelly: no installer is more good than debootstrap |
| 12:25.22 | zealo | :D |
| 12:25.26 | jelly | zealo: I agree, only s/no/any/ |
| 12:25.57 | netgear | but when i use ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.2 its there and then a reboot and its gone, but also i want 192.168.0.1 to be my internet gw |
| 12:26.04 | delire_t61p | agreed, debootstrap is pretty hairy. |
| 12:26.07 | netgear | anyone able to make sense of what i want to do |
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| 12:26.40 | tralala | netgear, man interfaces |
| 12:26.51 | netgear | ok |
| 12:27.02 | zealo | oooh |
| 12:27.21 | netgear | is ssh server hard to install? |
| 12:27.26 | tralala | no |
| 12:27.28 | delire_t61p | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 12:27.35 | delire_t61p | that's it |
| 12:27.36 | PythonNinja | or dropbear |
| 12:27.37 | netgear | i mean to setup |
| 12:27.39 | delire_t61p | nope |
| 12:27.43 | PythonNinja | that IS how you set it up.. |
| 12:27.46 | tralala | it comes all set up |
| 12:27.53 | netgear | oh ok |
| 12:28.01 | zealo | tralala: hey, you have't tell us you genius method, yet |
| 12:28.02 | delire_t61p | then /usr/sbin/sshd to start it |
| 12:28.09 | zealo | s/tell/told |
| 12:28.13 | delire_t61p | (though dpkg starts it for you as a post-install script_ |
| 12:28.19 | JymmmEMC | delire_t61p: sbin? |
| 12:28.23 | tralala | zealo, you haven't been paying attention |
| 12:28.27 | delire_t61p | JymmmEMC: man hier |
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| 12:28.43 | zealo | tralala: someone flush the screen, sorry |
| 12:28.50 | tralala | 14:23 < tralala> netgear, /msg dpkg fai |
| 12:28.54 | JymmmEMC | delire_t61p: not /etc/init.d/sshd start? |
| 12:29.01 | delire_t61p | JymmmEMC: yes, you can do that too |
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| 12:30.24 | zealo | tralala: hmm, seems better |
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| 12:30.31 | tralala | indeed |
| 12:30.33 | debian-is-me | HHello |
| 12:30.39 | debian-is-me | My freind is a noob |
| 12:30.48 | debian-is-me | Can he use debian? |
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| 12:30.53 | tralala | JymmmEMC, the installation starts it too (iinm) |
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| 12:31.04 | JymmmEMC | Anyone use port knocking ? |
| 12:31.04 | tralala | debian-is-me, no |
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| 12:31.20 | marc7 | JymmmEMC: neat idea, but no |
| 12:31.29 | debian-is-me | So I should give him a MAC? |
| 12:31.32 | tralala | JymmmEMC, shorewall supports port knocking + much more. It rulez |
| 12:31.34 | JymmmEMC | tralala: I thought delire_t61p's suggestion was one time only, and wouldn't restart upon reboot |
| 12:31.39 | zealo | tralala: will fai keeps all my personal configs ? |
| 12:31.52 | delire_t61p | debian-is-me: is your friend you? |
| 12:31.55 | JymmmEMC | tralala: I havne't found a client to do the knocking yet, any thoughts ? |
| 12:31.56 | zealo | including the .bashrc in my home dirr ? |
| 12:32.08 | delire_t61p | debian-is-me: it's ok to be a noob if so. |
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| 12:32.22 | debian-is-me | No, my friend is not me |
| 12:32.24 | tralala | JymmmEMC, the knocking can be easily hacked up in a scripting language |
| 12:32.38 | marc7 | tralala: would you suggest shorewall over using something like FireHOL to build your iptables ruleset? |
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| 12:32.51 | JymmmEMC | tralala: I figured that, but havne't seen any exmaples given yet in anything I've read. |
| 12:33.04 | tralala | marc7, yes |
| 12:33.23 | delire_t61p | debian-is-me: it's an unpopular thing to say around here, but i would reccommend Ubuntu to a noob that isn't interested in learning about his/her OS. |
| 12:33.23 | darkstego | when I try to install debian testing I get an error (kernel mismatch between installer and kernel available in archive) How can I resolve this? |
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| 12:33.47 | tralala | JymmmEMC, I would expect the port knocking howtos to focus on the server setup which is the more difficult one. |
| 12:33.48 | delire_t61p | debian-is-me: OS/X is a terrible trap, and a poor performing OS. i wouldn't reccommend that either. |
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| 12:34.15 | delire_t61p | debian-is-me: but anyway, this is a little Off Topic |
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| 12:34.34 | BWGames | j #gandi-hosting |
| 12:34.43 | JymmmEMC | marc7 tralala: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9565 |
| 12:34.52 | john_scrotum | how is everyone this morning? |
| 12:35.01 | JymmmEMC | marc7 tralala: port knocking without the replay attack potential |
| 12:35.42 | tralala | if you're _that_ paranoid you should be using *only* vpn |
| 12:35.53 | debian-is-me | Ok, he has managed to make kubuntu go six feet under twice |
| 12:35.56 | JymmmEMC | tralala: I've read a lot, but still you need examples for both client and server, and I've only seen server. |
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| 12:36.18 | JymmmEMC | tralala: secure token baby =) |
| 12:36.45 | JymmmEMC | tunneled under attack pigeon protocol! |
| 12:36.49 | john_scrotum | just want to let everyone know that this is not about a girl... that i do not want a girl... and that this is about bringing the perpetrators to justice... I've lived my last day in silence... i want justice and i want it now... don't me be misunderstood! Girls can kiss my ass! |
| 12:36.56 | john_scrotum | have a nice day! |
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| 12:37.26 | tralala | JymmmEMC, client example; (telnet remotehost port1)&; sleep 1s; (telnet remotehost port2)&; sleep 1s; ...; connect remotehost serviceport |
| 12:37.44 | zealo | tralala: I've looked the fai approach, Sorry, buddy, I had to say its much slower than tar && ssh approach when cloning machines |
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| 12:38.16 | alinux-lb22 | I am using tar to backup some files over network to a ntfs server when it reach 2 gigs I get file size limits exceeded although in ulimit-a I dont have a file size limit |
| 12:38.27 | zealo | download indivial packages & extract & install & setup, is much slower than cloning |
| 12:38.45 | JymmmEMC | shit, two stack of hdd's.... table full of machines.... clone one hdd off ide, toss it in another machien clone two hdd's, then four, repeat |
| 12:38.56 | tralala | zealo, tar and ssh cloning sould like it will never work |
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| 12:39.18 | zealo | tralala: I cloning every machine in my group, trust me |
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| 12:39.56 | zealo | cloning with livecd and run grub that's all |
| 12:41.01 | JymmmEMC | tralala: ok, that makes sense on a basic level. I think udp would be kinda cool in there too |
| 12:41.11 | JymmmEMC | mix it up a little |
| 12:41.12 | tralala | 500 times... I cannot imagine a situation where I'll be doing this 500 times in a row |
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| 12:42.09 | JymmmEMC | Oh, anyone want to see my latest score? |
| 12:42.11 | tralala | actually even in a lifetime |
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| 12:42.34 | tralala | JymmmEMC, now you see why nobody bothers to give an example |
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| 12:43.16 | JymmmEMC | tralala: Well, I guess. But I'm bash clueless =) |
| 12:43.27 | zealo | tralala: and the best part is when cloning, there could be no central server, when one machine is done, it can serve as source for other machines |
| 12:44.17 | JymmmEMC | Scored two of these for $16 (RMA shipping) couple of days ago... http://www.kvm-switches-online.com/0su51068.html |
| 12:44.40 | tralala | JymmmEMC, here's another http://www.soloport.com/iptables.html |
| 12:44.40 | debian-is-me | Can I tell you how stupid my IT guy is? |
| 12:44.48 | debian-is-me | Or is that offtopic? |
| 12:44.57 | marc7 | i wouldn't mind hearing the story if it's brief |
| 12:45.03 | JymmmEMC | it's almost 5am, why not =) |
| 12:45.10 | zealo | if you have a 1000M bps LAN, the speed is comparable to disk copy, haha |
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| 12:45.17 | Mark20 | i get the following error when i do /etc/init.d/networking restart: SIOCSIFADDR: no such device eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device Failed to bring up eth0. done. |
| 12:45.23 | Mark20 | how can i fix that? |
| 12:45.30 | zealo | Mark20: ifconfig eth1 |
| 12:45.32 | zealo | ? |
| 12:45.43 | zealo | !tell Mark20 about udev |
| 12:45.44 | sep | debian-is-me, it's ontopic in #debian-offtopic :) |
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| 12:45.51 | zealo | !tell Mark20 about z25 |
| 12:45.52 | debian-is-me | OK, The batery of a Dell LAtitude failed, therfore he decided to reinstall windows. |
| 12:46.16 | debian-is-me | After a while he came to the conclusion that the harddrive was broken. |
| 12:46.27 | sep | JymmmEMC, heard about timezones :) |
| 12:46.32 | tralala | zealo, I can see how the lack of a central server can benefit the cloning - when you have 500 people to clone 500 servers, distributed cloning certainly will boost the performance |
| 12:46.36 | debian-is-me | While the problen accured before boot. |
| 12:46.58 | psycodad | hi, there has been a package in sarge to build debs from official java, but i can't remember the name, can somebody help me ? |
| 12:47.22 | tralala | debian-is-me, do you want me to tell you how stupid your boss is to think he can cut costs from IT salaries? |
| 12:47.25 | JymmmEMC | sep: I'm still orbiting the planet, at least mentally. No TZ's up here =) |
| 12:47.34 | Crypticfortune | long question: so our client nodes (running debian) suddenly started failing to get file locks files hosted on our NFS server (which runs solaris). Any ideas on either what might have suddenly changed to make that happen? or how to explore in more detail why the fcntl syscall is returning ENOLOCK? |
| 12:47.58 | sep | psycodad, java-package ? |
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| 12:48.27 | zealo | tralala: yeah, ssh is one of the greatest invention ,ha :) |
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| 12:48.52 | psycodad | sep...exactly, thanks a lot! |
| 12:48.55 | debian-is-me | tralala: He could fire the hole IT crew, then hire me. Then they wouldn't have to replace computers, because the it people changes the wrong hardware |
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| 12:49.34 | tralala | debian-is-me, this surely sounds like a brilliant solution |
| 12:49.55 | SpeedyG | guess changes are more likely to happen when you complain to the right people, instead on irc ... |
| 12:50.02 | zealo | tralala: you know, I use ssh to VPN my home machine to the company, and nmap the local network |
| 12:50.09 | tralala | zealo, have you actually measured the speed of ssh transfers on 1GBs network? |
| 12:50.28 | sep | zealo, you are aware you can also do image installs using fai ofcourse ? |
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| 12:51.14 | delire_t61p | SpeedyG: is that a tested theory? and here i was thinking #debian was a multidimensional interface to the psyches of all living things? |
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| 12:51.57 | debian-is-me | Is portmap a usefull package? |
| 12:52.22 | sep | debian-is-me, if you need it, a very useful package, if you dont need it it's useless |
| 12:52.29 | debian-is-me | If the computer is used for Paint and FF and desktop games? |
| 12:52.37 | tralala | Crypticfortune, sounds like a server side problem |
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| 12:52.41 | JymmmEMC | sep: I like your insiteful anser to that =) |
| 12:52.54 | delire_t61p | debian-is-me: that is a very strange question. why don't you apt-cache show portmap and decide for yourself? |
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| 12:53.14 | sep | JymmmEMC, what the heck should one answer on it then ? if it's in debian _someone_ somewhere foundi t useful :) |
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| 12:53.24 | tralala | debian-is-me, it is very useful for the cases that require its use |
| 12:53.47 | vince36 | guys....i laugh a lot reading you...thx !! (o; |
| 12:53.49 | Esaj | how can I resolve these warning messages, which I get when using svn: "locale: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale" |
| 12:53.55 | debian-is-me | Does FF, KPaint or the kde and gnome desktop games need it? |
| 12:54.02 | JymmmEMC | sep: =) |
| 12:54.03 | tralala | debian-is-me, no |
| 12:54.03 | sep | tralala, one might say it's even required... |
| 12:54.19 | tralala | sep, I wouldn't go that far, but what do I know |
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| 12:54.40 | JymmmEMC | heh, DARPA porotocol |
| 12:54.45 | tralala | debian-is-me, but even if they do they'll make sure to install it |
| 12:54.46 | sep | Esaj, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:54.49 | sep | perhaps |
| 12:55.27 | Esaj | sep, is it worth generating all locales if I'm running a server? |
| 12:55.43 | sep | Esaj, i only make those i nede |
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| 12:55.53 | delire_t61p | Esaj: not unless you're hosting content that may require those locales |
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| 12:56.07 | zealo | tralala: from my laptop to server using tar & ssh is about 25MBps |
| 12:56.17 | Esaj | delire_, sep, ok thanks |
| 12:56.23 | zealo | 1Gb connection |
| 12:56.36 | SpeedyG | hm, now this channel is a lot more alive, i've got this problem with my audio...the digital-out should give some sound, but instead all sound is put through the regular stereo-jack, how can I change this? http://pastebin.ca/850520 shows my aplay -l, -L and alsamixer settings .. |
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| 12:56.41 | delire_t61p | zealo: nice. |
| 12:56.44 | debian-is-me | Does anny one have ann ssh ting I can conecct to? |
| 12:56.44 | Esaj | ah, excellent, that's been annoying me for ages |
| 12:56.48 | Crypticfortune | tralala: good guess. i just tried a bsd node and it's broken too =( |
| 12:56.48 | stew | debian-is-me: gnome and kde depend on portmap via fam |
| 12:56.55 | delire_t61p | debian-is-me: eh? |
| 12:57.02 | sep | zealo, so how long did the tar copy take compared to the fai install ? (i assume you had a local mirror?) |
| 12:57.07 | debian-is-me | I want an IRC terminal server |
| 12:57.31 | marc7 | enough with the tar/ssh vs ghost/clone argument, already! |
| 12:57.54 | sep | marc7, sorry but i am interested in the numbers |
| 12:58.18 | stew | SpeedyG: try rasing: Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA',0 |
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| 12:58.30 | debian-is-me | Does anyone have ine I can borrow? |
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| 12:58.34 | SpeedyG | stew: doesnt work, the IEC958 must be on 0 for this chip |
| 12:58.35 | zealo | sep: I have no experience of fai install, I do not need to take time to make any images, boot with livecd tar & ssh the wholee roott |
| 12:58.41 | debian-is-me | For IRC behiind firewalls |
| 12:59.01 | stew | SpeedyG: you have to have IEC958 at 0 to get IEC958 output? |
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| 12:59.10 | SpeedyG | stew: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Intel8x0#nForce_4_digital_output <= it's stated there |
| 12:59.21 | SpeedyG | and it did work before ... thats the weird thing |
| 12:59.22 | debian-is-me | What does portmap do? |
| 12:59.32 | SpeedyG | i've been messing a bit with vlc, and now it doesnt anymore :( |
| 12:59.33 | delire_t61p | debian-is-me: jeez man. apt-cache show portmap |
| 12:59.48 | debian-is-me | I'm on windows |
| 12:59.53 | sep | zealo, i use fai to install, but i might use fai to install a image instead of packages if the speed gain was worth it. i am never out to a machine, i just reinstall the schools using fai from my cellphone with ssh on it |
| 12:59.56 | debian-is-me | apt-cache show portmap |
| 13:00.04 | debian-is-me | #apt-cache show portmap |
| 13:00.27 | vince36 | ... |
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| 13:00.35 | delire_t61p | debian-is-me: packages.debian.org |
| 13:00.55 | themill | debian-is-me: try running that at a command prompt |
| 13:01.01 | SpeedyG | stew: I must say, at first it did feel very counterintuitive (as stated in the doc) but it was working |
| 13:01.11 | delire_t61p | themill: he's on Windows apparently |
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| 13:01.36 | stew | debian-is-me: portmap is a daemon that will accept incoming RPC calls and map them to a local port |
| 13:01.50 | debian-is-me | Ok |
| 13:02.03 | zealo | sep: well, if I use cellphone ssh and netboot, it's so easy to write a script to achieve that using tar & ssh |
| 13:02.04 | stew | SpeedyG: try adding a fresh user and see if you get sound |
| 13:02.05 | debian-is-me | RPC calls? |
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| 13:02.17 | stew | debian-is-me: yes, RPC calls |
| 13:02.21 | SpeedyG | hm, thats actually an idea I havent tried yet |
| 13:02.25 | debian-is-me | ok |
| 13:02.31 | zealo | sep: your cell is cooler than mine |
| 13:02.35 | debian-is-me | I doobt I need this |
| 13:02.46 | zealo | :D |
| 13:03.01 | stew | debian-is-me: you will lose the fam capability, since fam uses it even for local calls |
| 13:03.20 | debian-is-me | Fam? |
| 13:03.25 | stew | debian-is-me: yes, fam |
| 13:03.28 | debian-is-me | FireFox? |
| 13:03.39 | stew | debian-is-me: i don't understand your question |
| 13:03.47 | tralala | zealo, uncompressed? |
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| 13:03.49 | zealo | !tell debian-is-me about fam |
| 13:03.55 | zealo | tralala: uncompressed |
| 13:03.58 | tralala | MB as megabytes or megabits? |
| 13:04.07 | zealo | bytes |
| 13:04.19 | zealo | tralala: try it yourself |
| 13:04.31 | tralala | I've never seen it go over 500KiB/s |
| 13:04.35 | debian-is-me | Seams like I deont need it |
| 13:04.57 | zealo | tralala: ............. |
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| 13:05.15 | debian-is-me | Still dont understand what it should do |
| 13:05.22 | tralala | although I use scp most of the time. I'll try ssh + tar tonight |
| 13:05.46 | zealo | tralala: sure you will do it ,especailly when lots of tiny files |
| 13:06.21 | sep | tralala, compare it to nc + tar to see it no crypto makes it faster. or less cpu bound on the server. |
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| 13:06.29 | tralala | zealo, I've copied all kinds of files with no difference |
| 13:06.34 | stew | debian-is-me: it would be used, for instnce, to be able to know when to put a new icon on your desktop when a new file has shown up in your desktop folder. or if you are browsing a folder, to know to add something to your view when a new file has shown up |
| 13:06.40 | zealo | tralala: you know on ftp/http files are session based |
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| 13:06.50 | tralala | sep, both source and destination machines have plenty of cpu to spare |
| 13:06.51 | debian-is-me | Ok |
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| 13:07.32 | zealo | tralala: I mean the client & server will initiate a transfer for every indivial file |
| 13:07.47 | zealo | while tar & ssh it is a whole |
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| 13:09.22 | tralala | zealo, that's irrelevant I don't copy files over ftp/http |
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| 13:10.38 | debian-is-me | How can I know where a email comes from? |
| 13:10.42 | zealo | tralala: well, I never look into sftp or scp, but, look at the logs of your sftp client ? |
| 13:10.50 | psycodad | debian-is-me: read the header |
| 13:11.17 | debian-is-me | But, I can send mail from: linus.torval@linux.com |
| 13:11.21 | debian-is-me | Or any adress |
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| 13:11.53 | SpeedyG | stew: seems like that user has no sound either :( |
| 13:11.54 | stew | debian-is-me: you can look at the Received: headers that your server added |
| 13:11.59 | delire_t61p | debian-is-me: that's just the From: see the Received |
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| 13:12.46 | debian-is-me | It is also that, and tthe reply too |
| 13:12.52 | zealo | debian-is-me: yeah, the From: header may be composed |
| 13:13.26 | tralala | zealo, which protocol are you using sshv1 or v2? |
| 13:13.28 | zealo | stew: but I think good email server will correct that, like gmail |
| 13:13.30 | themill | debian-is-me: You've just worked out the biggest weakness of email and how spam works. |
| 13:13.32 | zealo | v2 |
| 13:13.34 | zealo | tralala: v2 |
| 13:13.40 | stew | zealo: correct what? |
| 13:13.56 | zealo | stew: correct the false From header |
| 13:14.01 | debian-is-me | themill: Woha, the greatest discoveror of our time! |
| 13:14.11 | stew | zealo: absolutely not |
| 13:14.23 | delire_t61p | i find it useful to be able to set my From |
| 13:14.37 | debian-is-me | You can send mail from anyone |
| 13:14.41 | themill | zealo: it's not necessarily false. No MTA should mess with headers except to add extra Received lines. |
| 13:14.50 | tralala | zealo, that's peculiar. According to this document (http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/app_sec.pdf) the throughput of sshv2 is awful. My experience only confirms it. I'll test again tonight. |
| 13:15.03 | delire_t61p | though, Reply-To might be a little more specific to my ends much of the time. |
| 13:15.09 | debian-is-me | How can I know if someone sends a mail were they say I'm fired? |
| 13:15.11 | themill | debian-is-me: that's why cryptographically signed email is preferred. |
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| 13:15.28 | themill | !tell debian-is-me about gpg |
| 13:15.29 | vince36 | debian-is-me, are you stupid or what ? |
| 13:15.31 | stew | and its why we're going to see more domains implementing things like DKIM |
| 13:15.32 | zealo | stew: not ? you know I can compose a mail with From ANYWHERE, but when I received, gmail always changed thatt |
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| 13:15.46 | zealo | stew: using kmail |
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| 13:15.55 | delire_t61p | zealo: gmail shouldn't do that. |
| 13:16.01 | tralala | zealo, do you get the same speeds for big, already compressed files? Like video? |
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| 13:16.25 | stew | zealo: becuase the receiving server has no business changing From: and how on earth could the receiving MTA know what the from address should be? |
| 13:16.28 | debian-is-me | gpg is like the md5 sums? |
| 13:16.40 | zealo | tralala: never tried that , you can have a try and tell me result :) |
| 13:16.42 | stew | zealo: under what circumstances is a From: address actually incorrect? |
| 13:17.08 | tralala | zealo, the result is awful |
| 13:17.10 | stew | debian-is-me: gpg can be used to sign an email in a way which is much more robust than an md5 digest |
| 13:17.18 | delire_t61p | debian-is-me: it's a system for digitally signing data such that the sender can be confirmed. |
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| 13:17.35 | delire_t61p | debian-is-me: it also can be used in many other situations too |
| 13:17.36 | zealo | stew: I send you a mail with zeal@gmail.com and in kmail, I can change the From address as stew@gmail.com |
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| 13:17.51 | stew | zealo: yes, of course |
| 13:18.03 | debian-is-me | So if you send me an email. Then I have the signature, I can send email from u? |
| 13:18.12 | delire_t61p | zealo: people should be able to do this, not mailservers |
| 13:18.26 | zealo | stew: yes, then I sent it to zeal@yahoo.com, I received the From header is zeal@gmail.com |
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| 13:18.39 | zealo | stew: gmail.com correct it |
| 13:18.43 | zealo | tralala: :D |
| 13:18.43 | tralala | debian-is-me, no, you can't. That's not how signatures work. Read the gpg's docs for details |
| 13:18.45 | stew | zealo: no, gmail.com broke it |
| 13:18.54 | delire_t61p | yes, agreed. |
| 13:18.57 | debian-is-me | zealo: Can I send you an email? |
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| 13:18.59 | vince36 | debian-is-me, have you ever heard about yahoo search , or google search |
| 13:19.03 | debian-is-me | To the gmail? |
| 13:19.07 | debian-is-me | Yeah |
| 13:19.07 | delire_t61p | that is very heavy handed of gmail. i'm glad i don't use it. |
| 13:19.16 | stew | debian-is-me: you could only sign mail as me if you somehow got my private key, and knew the password that was protecting my private key |
| 13:19.29 | sander_m | Hello. Does anyone here have experience with 3ware RAID cards? I have a 3ware 9550SX-4 card using two 500 Gb WD drives in RAID 1. It should be able to do 300 MB/s. It's plugged into a 64-bit, 66 Mhz PCI-X slot which should do up to 533 MB/s. I get the shockingly low performance of 5.3 MB/s write... |
| 13:19.30 | delire_t61p | (as if the creepy contextual advertising wasn't bad enough) |
| 13:19.41 | zealo | stew: but it does do this job |
| 13:19.43 | debian-is-me | But if not I can send mail from anyone! |
| 13:19.57 | tralala | zealo, gmail has settings for allowed From: headers. If you register your other email address with gmail it won't override it |
| 13:19.58 | stew | zealo: it was correct when you sent it with "From: stew@gmail.com" if any mail server changed that during delivery, then that mail server is broken |
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| 13:20.08 | zealo | stew: and seems yahoo.com are doing the similar |
| 13:20.21 | stew | zealo: then yahoo.com is broken too |
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| 13:20.35 | delire_t61p | spam is a problem that needs to be dealt with in other ways. |
| 13:20.36 | debian-is-me | http://fakesend.com/index.php They let you choose who to send from? |
| 13:20.40 | debian-is-me | !* |
| 13:20.43 | tralala | stew, I'd take broken mail servers (in spam unfriendly fashion) any day |
| 13:20.49 | zealo | stew: well, maybe :) |
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| 13:21.34 | tralala | debian-is-me, you can say this when your free mail services becomes more popular than gmail |
| 13:21.42 | SDwarfs | hi there... I need to install debian via ssh-shell (rescue system of a server)... is there any HOWTO available for this? |
| 13:21.47 | zealo | stew: I make use of that breakage as auth from gmail,ha, well not very secure though :D |
| 13:21.50 | debian-is-me | Isnt gmail free? |
| 13:21.59 | debian-is-me | I havent payd anything |
| 13:22.04 | vince36 | debian-is-me, fakesend.com will never forget what you did with it |
| 13:22.09 | delire_t61p | debian-is-me: not really, you pay by being exposed to advertisting. |
| 13:22.22 | debian-is-me | So? |
| 13:22.27 | delire_t61p | debian-is-me: you're also giving google data about you and your interests |
| 13:22.35 | debian-is-me | oO |
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| 13:22.41 | delire_t61p | debian-is-me: if you don't care about those things, then no problem. |
| 13:22.47 | tralala | debian-is-me, not really, you can use encrypted smtp/pop3 without being exposed to any adds |
| 13:22.52 | tralala | delire_t61p, ^^ |
| 13:22.52 | JosefAssad | l |
| 13:22.53 | vince36 | gmail ....will never forget all of yur mails, even those you delete |
| 13:22.59 | debian-is-me | I dont mind if a german dud reads my email |
| 13:23.01 | delire_t61p | tralala: i wasn't aware of this |
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| 13:23.21 | sep | debian-is-me, free in here means without schacles, not about price |
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| 13:23.56 | tralala | vince36, I know, I never look up when I'm walking in the open, because these sattelites never forget any of the pictures they've taken |
| 13:24.07 | mythomaniac | i always use encrypted smtp/pop3 on gmail |
| 13:24.24 | tralala | And I always wear a cowboy hat |
| 13:24.36 | vince36 | tralala, sorry my english is too bad to understand you corretcly.... |
| 13:24.41 | mythomaniac | and when accessing it via those i use opgp |
| 13:24.42 | debian-is-me | I want to download wikipedia |
| 13:24.42 | Rhoruns | dang it. i just got a weird error while installing KDE |
| 13:24.49 | debian-is-me | And insert into mysql |
| 13:24.49 | delire_t61p | anyone that thinks Google are giving people 3G of storage, for mail or otherwise, out of the warmth of their heart is entirely deluded. it's a mining and targetted advertising project. when you use GMail you are directly generating data for marketeers. |
| 13:24.52 | mythomaniac | so let them read - that is if they can |
| 13:24.58 | tralala | vince36, maybe that's for the best |
| 13:25.00 | sep | debian-is-me, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratis_versus_Libre |
| 13:25.06 | psycodad | debian-is-me: try the whole internet, it's available in nice dvd iso files |
| 13:25.08 | delire_t61p | if you don't care about that, then so be it. |
| 13:25.16 | stew | with gmail, the product isn't an email service, YOU are the product |
| 13:25.19 | debian-is-me | delire: You are right, they arent, they are giviing away 6gb |
| 13:25.35 | delire_t61p | the same applies to MySpace, FaceBook and all that other social networking silliness. |
| 13:25.41 | debian-is-me | sep: It is possibole |
| 13:25.51 | zealo | delire_t61p: well everybody takes what they want, google want data sources, I want my free mails, fair deal |
| 13:25.55 | debian-is-me | sep: The database is only a few gigs |
| 13:26.07 | tralala | delire_t61p, of course, it's mathematically proven that your average ISP is much more conserned with your privacy than Google is |
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| 13:26.22 | Rhoruns | hdb: command errorwhat the hell is a segmentaion fault?? |
| 13:26.23 | delire_t61p | zealo: as i say, if you're fine with that, then no problem. |
| 13:26.26 | zealo | stew: WoW, I have no choice |
| 13:26.41 | zealo | stew: no better free emails |
| 13:26.49 | mythomaniac | zealo hit the nail on the head and like i said when using the smtp/pop3 services of gmail one should also be using opgp - let them read it |
| 13:26.59 | stew | "I have no choice" <- this is an indication of non-freeness |
| 13:27.09 | delire_t61p | agreed |
| 13:27.12 | debian-is-me | tralala: The ISP's in europe is forced. But: How the HELL did they know my windows computer was sending spam? |
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| 13:28.09 | zealo | stew: absolutely, If I have money, I setup my mail server of my own |
| 13:28.11 | SDwarfs | again: hi there... I need to install debian via ssh-shell (rescue system of a server)... is there any HOWTO available for this?? |
| 13:28.34 | zealo | stew: every company's email gets audited |
| 13:28.38 | SDwarfs | Is there realy anyone with suggestions to this? |
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| 13:28.53 | stew | zealo: my company's email doesn't get audited |
| 13:28.55 | abuyazan | hello |
| 13:28.58 | psycodad | SDwarfs: search for debootstrap and rescue, might give you links for info, sorry can't say anything more specific |
| 13:29.05 | SDwarfs | thanx |
| 13:29.06 | zealo | stew: must be your company :) |
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| 13:29.13 | SDwarfs | pycocad: thx :) |
| 13:29.16 | stew | zealo: yes, my company is my company |
| 13:29.22 | abuyazan | how to change time from CST to EET |
| 13:29.31 | abuyazan | timezone |
| 13:29.31 | tralala | SDwarfs, /msg dpkg sshinstall |
| 13:29.34 | zealo | stew: lucky man :) |
| 13:29.43 | delire_t61p | zealo: it's wise to not be too absolutist about this. auditing company email is very different than using information from those emails to generate statistics to sell on to third-party marketing interests. |
| 13:29.50 | delire_t61p | s/than/from |
| 13:30.06 | Rhoruns | what does 'dpkg --configure -a' do? |
| 13:30.15 | delire_t61p | Rhoruns: man dpkg |
| 13:30.16 | stew | abuyazan: what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:30.18 | mythomaniac | man dpkg |
| 13:30.18 | tralala | stew, at least not by your company |
| 13:30.23 | macondo | SDwarfs: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+installation+%2B+via+ssh&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
| 13:30.27 | mythomaniac | blah delire |
| 13:30.37 | stew | tralala: or any other company |
| 13:30.38 | abuyazan | stew, debian etch |
| 13:30.47 | zealo | delire_t61p: statistics......can the time I fuck my wife last night get statisted as condom usage information ? :P |
| 13:30.47 | stew | abuyazan: tzconfig |
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| 13:31.01 | abuyazan | stew, let me check |
| 13:31.07 | delire_t61p | zealo: no, that's a case of "too much information". |
| 13:31.19 | mythomaniac | zelao in this day age age yes |
| 13:31.26 | tralala | stew, you can be sure about that only for your local/vpn trafic |
| 13:31.45 | Gnu_Raiz | yeah anyone getting any weird dbus errors lately. |
| 13:32.08 | Rhoruns | how do i scroll up through shell output?? |
| 13:32.12 | stew | tralala: yes, i am aware that some of my email can be read by one of the 4 possible ISPs that it could have arrived on |
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| 13:32.25 | Gnu_Raiz | I did a normal update and now my xterms are showing dbus spam. |
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| 13:32.47 | zealo | delire_t61p: haha |
| 13:32.54 | abuyazan | stew, thanks |
| 13:33.33 | Rhoruns | after i install KDE, do i just do startx ? |
| 13:33.34 | Gnu_Raiz | it all have the declare = in front of them. |
| 13:33.54 | Gnu_Raiz | Rhoruns: do you have login manager installed? |
| 13:34.00 | Rhoruns | i have no idea. |
| 13:34.04 | zealo | Rhoruns: install xorg |
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| 13:34.06 | Rhoruns | i just did a base-install of debian |
| 13:34.11 | Rhoruns | and then installed xord/kde. |
| 13:34.17 | delire_t61p | Rhoruns: perhaps try startkde ? not sure |
| 13:34.24 | Gnu_Raiz | might want to have one of those. |
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| 13:34.31 | delire_t61p | i don't use a desktop environment. |
| 13:34.42 | Rhoruns | oh. |
| 13:34.46 | Gnu_Raiz | that way you can choose which window manager to use. |
| 13:34.55 | delire_t61p | but i believe KDE has it's own binary for starting that stuff, or session manager. |
| 13:35.05 | Rhoruns | i just wanted to install x so i can manage my server easier :P |
| 13:35.19 | zealo | Rhoruns: run xdm, gdm, kdm |
| 13:35.23 | Gnu_Raiz | yeah its called kdm. but it all depends on how you installed your system. |
| 13:35.24 | delire_t61p | Rhoruns: and fair enough. |
| 13:35.30 | zealo | and you get a welcome screen |
| 13:35.33 | delire_t61p | zealo: kdm, that's it |
| 13:35.41 | zealo | login screen |
| 13:35.45 | zealo | delire_t61p: :) |
| 13:35.51 | Gnu_Raiz | if you choose it from the pack manager then it will work. |
| 13:36.00 | Rhoruns | lol, i tried starkde, and it said it cant connect to x server. |
| 13:36.02 | Gnu_Raiz | just init 1 at root to verify, then startx |
| 13:36.18 | Rhoruns | startkde* |
| 13:36.22 | Penix | X on a server? yuck |
| 13:36.26 | mythomaniac | delire_t61p: you don't use a DE, what you going flux or icewm or no gui at all? |
| 13:36.45 | delire_t61p | mythomaniac: i use dwm http://dwm.suckless.org |
| 13:36.47 | Rhoruns | Penix, i'm sorry. but i'm still a little n00bie. |
| 13:36.51 | Gnu_Raiz | you still might want a login manager. |
| 13:37.00 | Gnu_Raiz | makes it eaiser to choose your window manager. |
| 13:37.03 | delire_t61p | Rhoruns: don't apologise for doing what you want to do. |
| 13:37.03 | Rhoruns | when i get more comfortable, i will remove X, Penix :) |
| 13:37.05 | mythomaniac | delire_t61p: ah dwm yes good choice |
| 13:37.12 | Gnu_Raiz | unless you only have one window manager that is. |
| 13:37.14 | sep | Penix, could be a terminal server :) |
| 13:37.22 | delire_t61p | mythomaniac: i like the recent version alot. |
| 13:37.34 | Penix | sep: I hope so |
| 13:37.43 | Gnu_Raiz | Rhoruns: you might want to try compiz. |
| 13:37.52 | stew | compiz on a server? |
| 13:37.57 | delire_t61p | Gnu_Raiz: on a server? are you bonkers? |
| 13:38.05 | Penix | the only thing X could possibly offer is a bunch of xterms |
| 13:38.06 | sep | hahaha |
| 13:38.14 | mythomaniac | delire_t61p: so you compiled it then? |
| 13:38.16 | Rhoruns | wooow, kde has this install thingy :D |
| 13:38.17 | Penix | it's not like debian's got some yast crap or anything |
| 13:38.19 | Gnu_Raiz | yeah a print server :) |
| 13:38.22 | pdani__ | hm. i use xfce, but i have some qt apps. is there a qtrc somewhere which customize qt lookandfeel similar to xfce lookandfeels? |
| 13:38.30 | Gnu_Raiz | that runs samba. |
| 13:38.40 | Gnu_Raiz | for all the windows users out their. |
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| 13:38.50 | mbroeker | pdani__, ~/.config/trolltech or so |
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| 13:39.10 | Penix | pdani__: gtk's providing xfce's theming |
| 13:39.12 | zwerg | Hi there. |
| 13:39.13 | delire_t61p | mythomaniac: yes, it takes about 2s to compile. i use a customised config.h (equivalient of an rc file) |
| 13:39.23 | zwerg | Is it possible to list all the packages that have been installed from experimental? |
| 13:39.28 | Penix | pdani__: there's an engine that makes gtk look like qt, or the other way around...pretty dodgy the last time I used it |
| 13:39.38 | stew | zwerg: try apt-show-versions |
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| 13:40.00 | mythomaniac | delire_t61p: nice! lol i failed in doing that, compiling it that is - but hay im a noob. it is a sweet wm though. |
| 13:40.00 | delire_t61p | mythomaniac: if you are using dwm, or intend to try, check out 'dmenu', found on the same download page as dwm. it's very nice. |
| 13:40.04 | zwerg | Penix, QtCurve is a nice theme available for both Qt and Gtk. |
| 13:40.28 | Rhoruns | what is this "preferred system behavior" crap..? what is the difference? i've never installed KDE separately before. |
| 13:40.28 | Penix | if you like cutting edge themes from five years ago or something |
| 13:40.33 | delire_t61p | mythomaniac: i think it depends on a couple of external X libraries. in fact perhaps just one: libx11-dev |
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| 13:40.45 | Penix | assuming bluecurve |
| 13:41.01 | Penix | bed time... |
| 13:41.13 | Rhoruns | bye Penix. :) take care. |
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| 13:41.19 | mbroeker | pdani__, there is also a qt4-qtconfig tool. |
| 13:41.24 | mythomaniac | delire_t61p: this is news ill have to try it again than |
| 13:41.39 | delire_t61p | just a mo, i'll find out for sure |
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| 13:43.02 | delire_t61p | mythomaniac: yes, libx11-dev is enough to build it |
| 13:43.14 | zealo | tralala: I transfered a video, it's fast |
| 13:43.14 | delire_t61p | (assuming you have gcc etc) |
| 13:43.37 | delire_t61p | zealo: using gzip compressed video over ssh? |
| 13:43.42 | mythomaniac | delire_t61p: sweet thanks, yeah never have a system without gcc ;) |
| 13:43.59 | delire_t61p | mythomaniac: ;) |
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| 13:45.53 | AnyFile | How can I resize an NTFS partition so that I have space to install linux. I read somewhere to boot with a live-cd knoppix and run a program from there. Is it an easier way? |
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| 13:46.12 | zwerg | stew, Nice, thanks. |
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| 13:46.53 | zealo | tralala: sorry it's not a video, :( |
| 13:47.20 | zealo | tralala: I have no video in my machine |
| 13:47.35 | zealo | zealo: :( |
| 13:47.53 | zealo | tralala: :( |
| 13:47.56 | themill | !tell AnyFile about ntfs resize |
| 13:48.50 | AnyFile | this link is not working ... I will retry later |
| 13:49.06 | Rhoruns | what's the difference between the system behaviors when installing KDE?? |
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| 13:50.24 | Rhoruns | Micrsoft Windows = it does stuff that you don't ask it to? |
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| 13:50.56 | psycodad | what packages are needed on a host with sarge without X installed to connect with ssh -X |
| 13:51.02 | Gnu_Raiz | Rhoruns: I like the ability for single click, and I really like Konqueror man page ability. |
| 13:51.26 | Gnu_Raiz | In fact I have been know to install most of kde just for Konqueror. |
| 13:51.27 | Rhoruns | single click? |
| 13:51.46 | Rhoruns | i'm totally confused lol |
| 13:51.48 | Gnu_Raiz | yeah you can single click icons to activate them. |
| 13:51.52 | AnyFile | psycodad: on the clinet side? |
| 13:51.55 | Rhoruns | oh. |
| 13:52.12 | psycodad | AnyFile: server side, but i think i found it: xbase-clients is needed |
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| 13:52.50 | Gnu_Raiz | sometimes I spend so much time in linux, that when I go to windows I single click an icon and look at the screen and wonder when the app will launch. |
| 13:53.02 | ampex_ | Can I just delete a partition, create a larger new one that begins at the same cylinder, reboot and resize2fs ? |
| 13:53.11 | ampex_ | for the root filesystem? |
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| 13:53.40 | Rhoruns | lol Gnu_Raiz |
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| 13:53.55 | henkpoley | Someone here knows if the database format of APT/dpgk changed from 1.14.7 -> 1.14.9 ? |
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| 13:53.57 | Gnu_Raiz | you can make gnome do the same but, for example when using the file manager you won't be able use single click in gnome even if you set it up. |
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| 13:54.04 | alarmo | Gnu_Raiz, I can't tell for sure, but I think windows has that option too, so you would be more comfortable turning that on there too :P |
| 13:54.27 | zealo | tralala: hey, are u still here ? |
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| 13:54.47 | zealo | I transfered a .avi file |
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| 13:55.19 | zealo | using tar cf - a.avi | ssh server 'tar xf -' |
| 13:55.51 | zealo | 701M bytes in 33.519s |
| 13:56.05 | delire_t61p | zealo: does tar on it's own really improve the ssh throughput that much? |
| 13:56.06 | Gnu_Raiz | I think they call it a feature, but for instance say your looking at your home tree, you have to double click to enter another directory. |
| 13:56.15 | alarmo | and, I don't know about Nautilus, but Thunar (The File Manager for Xfce, or stand alone, if you like it) has the single click option. But it is far less featureful than Konqueror OR nautilus |
| 13:56.25 | delire_t61p | zealo: what's the time for a normal scp? |
| 13:56.35 | zealo | delire_t61p: wait |
| 13:56.41 | tralala | zealo, yes |
| 13:56.46 | alarmo | Gnu_Raiz, it is really a matter of personal taste. I, personally, *hate* the single clicking behaviour :) |
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| 13:57.12 | Gnu_Raiz | yeah it takes some getting use to, kde has the option to turn it off. |
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| 13:57.35 | delire_t61p | Gnu_Raiz: personally i think the file-dialog and file-management in Gnome is very bad. they mix single and double click for no naturally discernable reason. but that's a little OT i suppose. |
| 13:57.54 | Gnu_Raiz | I was reading somewhere that someone actually calculated how much time a double click consumes over a year. |
| 13:58.00 | tralala | zealo, hmm... does scp perform the same? |
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| 13:58.43 | Gnu_Raiz | delire_t61p: I don't consider it off topic unless we start talking about functions and how to implement it gnome. |
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| 13:59.11 | Gnu_Raiz | delire_t61p: I totally agree, gnome file management needs more work. |
| 13:59.13 | tralala | Gnu_Raiz, it's better to calculate how much calories it burns - enough with the gym! |
| 13:59.29 | Gnu_Raiz | tralala: :) finger work out. |
| 13:59.31 | Rhoruns | when i used Backtrack 2 and 3, i had this strange mouse problem where a window would scroll up or down and i simply tried moving my mouse from a standstill, in KDE. is this normal, or was it because i was using a laptop?? |
| 13:59.34 | alarmo | tralala, now that's a positive view of things! |
| 13:59.46 | Rhoruns | wehn i simply** |
| 13:59.55 | alarmo | <joke>That's why people are always getting fatter and fatter, they want to minimize work for everything!</joke> |
| 13:59.56 | tralala | alarmo, I'm infamous for my positive thinking ;) |
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| 14:00.40 | alarmo | if you had to move your mouse using a telegraph to encode ones and zeros, now you would lose weight... or time... whatever :) |
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| 14:02.39 | delire_t61p | lose the mouse altogether i say: use a non-WIMP interface. |
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| 14:03.14 | zealo | tralala: scp -2 .avi result in 20MB/s |
| 14:03.17 | delire_t61p | with the exception of browsing, 3D modeling, gaming, gimp and one or two hundred other applications of course.. |
| 14:03.30 | tralala | delire_t61p, the main reason I don't use gnome - it's too much mouse bound |
| 14:04.11 | tralala | zealo, thanks a lot. I'll try to figure out what's going wrong at home |
| 14:04.14 | delire_t61p | tralala: i see. i find OS/X, which i sadly have to use reasonably often, very heavy on the mouse. no sloppy focus.. sheesh. |
| 14:04.18 | alarmo | well... one day I'll learn how to use that file manager thing... I always tried... when I look again, I'm back at the terminal, with no explanation. |
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| 14:05.03 | tralala | konqueror is okay as a fm |
| 14:05.06 | alarmo | The nearer I got from using one was with Thunar... but even then, I rarely really use it... |
| 14:05.16 | delire_t61p | tralala: i think you still have to click on window titles to drag a window too. ie no KB and mouse combination for 'grab anywhere'. |
| 14:05.18 | zealo | tralala: I think it does have overhead, but just not that much or it's a total crap :) |
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| 14:05.38 | alarmo | tralala, I can't understand. I work with Windows, and use Linux at home. With Windows I can't live without explorer. |
| 14:05.40 | liable | zealo: i had a scp issue once, turned out to be the routers fault |
| 14:05.43 | delire_t61p | tralala: it probably depends on the kind of file you're transferring. |
| 14:05.46 | alarmo | With Linux I can't USE an "explorer" |
| 14:05.48 | tralala | delire_t61p, in OS/X? |
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| 14:05.55 | liable | zealo: try rebooting your router, see if it gets faster |
| 14:06.00 | delire_t61p | alarmo: that's because DOS is such a POS |
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| 14:06.10 | zealo | liable: not me , to tralala |
| 14:06.14 | zealo | :) |
| 14:06.16 | liable | oh |
| 14:06.20 | tralala | liable, what he gets is insanely fast compared to what I get |
| 14:06.37 | Rhoruns | apt-get install tightvncserver is the correct command to install vnc, yes? |
| 14:06.49 | zealo | tralala: :) |
| 14:06.55 | tralala | Rhoruns, depends how you plan to use it |
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| 14:07.12 | delire_t61p | zealo: i'd be interested to see a comparison using a 500M text file |
| 14:07.29 | tralala | I think ssh will compress it |
| 14:07.34 | Rhoruns | lol. ok, well i want to install it, and then connect to the machinew using my other PC through the VNC viewer. |
| 14:07.39 | delire_t61p | yes it probably will. |
| 14:08.07 | tralala | Rhoruns, connect to the currently open desktop or a separate one? |
| 14:08.10 | STEVIE_ | hello, got some wierd thing , i created a symlink to a maildirectoryln -s /var/spool/qscan/archives/new new in /var/spool/qscan/Maildir/ , Now /var/spool/qscan/archives/new is empty. WTF? |
| 14:08.19 | Rhoruns | it doesn't matter actually. |
| 14:08.25 | Rhoruns | just so long as i have access to it. |
| 14:09.11 | zealo | delire_t61p: oh,man, 500M text file is much more a chanllenge than pulling a porn .avi from my boss's box :P |
| 14:09.18 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 14:09.26 | tralala | delire_t61p, I've seen OS/X from a close distnace but I've never been tempted to use it. |
| 14:09.30 | delire_t61p | zealo: i see ;/ |
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| 14:09.51 | tralala | Rhoruns, in this case thightvnc is fine. *No* lol |
| 14:10.16 | Rhoruns | no what, tralala? |
| 14:10.18 | zealo | Rhoruns: try nxserver |
| 14:10.30 | tralala | Rhoruns, stop lolling around |
| 14:10.34 | zealo | delire_t61p: haha |
| 14:10.36 | Rhoruns | zealo, why nxserver? i've never heard of it. |
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| 14:10.43 | Rhoruns | i'm sorry tralala. |
| 14:10.45 | alarmo | tralala, really ? I like the document centric approach on most applications on the Mac world... |
| 14:10.58 | delire_t61p | tralala: i find OS\X frustrating to use, not to mention slow on the hardware. |
| 14:11.28 | delire_t61p | but anyway, that's not important |
| 14:11.36 | zealo | Rhoruns: google it, and download, free for personal usage |
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| 14:11.43 | Rhoruns | ok. |
| 14:11.43 | alarmo | I really wish I could have more of that with Gimp and Dia, or other applications in the Unix world. |
| 14:11.53 | tralala | alarmo, I'm sure I'll like a thing or two if I use it. I'm even more sure I'd hate much more. |
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| 14:12.33 | tralala | zealo, freeware promoter! Traitor!!! |
| 14:12.41 | tralala | !rms zealo |
| 14:12.54 | tralala | eh, dpkg... what do you know |
| 14:13.15 | alinux-lb22 | how can I change the domain of my outgoing emails in postfix |
| 14:13.24 | alinux-lb22 | I change myorigin = mydomain.com |
| 14:13.30 | alinux-lb22 | but hte email are leaving without a domian |
| 14:13.32 | alinux-lb22 | why ? |
| 14:13.33 | zealo | tralala: hahah |
| 14:13.36 | delire_t61p | alarmo: myhostname |
| 14:13.43 | delire_t61p | oops |
| 14:13.47 | delire_t61p | alarmo: myhostname |
| 14:13.48 | Rhoruns | ooo nice.. nxserver is secure and fast. i can even use it as a tunnel to VNC :D |
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| 14:13.53 | delire_t61p | ugh.. |
| 14:13.53 | tralala | zealo, it was only half-a-joke |
| 14:13.55 | Rhoruns | thanks zealo. |
| 14:13.58 | delire_t61p | alinux-lb22: see #postfix |
| 14:14.11 | alinux-lb22 | delire_t61p, no action right now there |
| 14:14.12 | zealo | tralala: seems dpkg has no idea of who rms is |
| 14:14.21 | delire_t61p | alinux-lb22: see the myhostname variable |
| 14:14.22 | alarmo | delire_t61p, using more than 2 letters help :P |
| 14:14.37 | tralala | zealo, the opposite appears to be true as well |
| 14:14.43 | delire_t61p | alarmo: hehe yes. i'm getting used to the location of TAB on this new keyboard. |
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| 14:15.06 | Agiofws | hello |
| 14:15.12 | Agiofws | something urgent |
| 14:15.20 | Agiofws | i need to install a spell checker in ooo |
| 14:15.23 | delire_t61p | alinux-lb22: AFAIK myorigin should just be your /etc/mailname |
| 14:15.26 | alarmo | don't tell me about keyboards... I'll soon be forced to buy a notebook to work.... and I truly hate most notebooks keyboard layout for programming... :( |
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| 14:15.34 | Agiofws | can someone tell me wjat to apt-get ? |
| 14:15.53 | tralala | alarmo, adjust it, or an plug external keyboard |
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| 14:16.01 | delire_t61p | alarmo: i'm typing this on a Thinkpad and really, i have never experienced a better keyboard for programming. |
| 14:16.02 | Rhoruns | Agiofws, what do you want? |
| 14:16.08 | zealo | tralala: yeah, rms's got ducked in his GPL3 for now I think....... |
| 14:16.17 | Rhoruns | oh sorry, Agiofws, i didnt read above. |
| 14:16.19 | delire_t61p | alarmo: it is an amazing jump from my previous notebooks. |
| 14:16.29 | zealo | Rhoruns: NP :) |
| 14:16.29 | henkpoley | Agiofws: `aptitude search spell | grep office` |
| 14:16.47 | tralala | zealo, he's been carried away by his religion far before gpl3 |
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| 14:17.02 | Agiofws | hen for my local ? |
| 14:17.12 | zealo | ! religion |
| 14:17.12 | dpkg | from memory, religion is the opiate of the masses |
| 14:17.13 | alarmo | delire_t61p, the thing is, it took years for me to get used to my country's localized keyboard... I used to type on an "US International" one for almost ten years before I tried to shift to Brazil ABNT2 |
| 14:17.19 | alarmo | now that I finally got the hang of it |
| 14:17.22 | henkpoley | Agiofws: don't see any greek no.. |
| 14:17.26 | alinux-lb22 | delire_t61p, did that and added the domain to /etc/mailname but the emails are still with no domian name |
| 14:17.35 | delire_t61p | alinux-lb22: did you restart postfix? |
| 14:17.40 | alarmo | I'll have to move to yet another crappy model... and I hate the way the ABNT2 maps on a notebook-sized keyboard. |
| 14:17.43 | delire_t61p | alinux-lb22: postfix reload |
| 14:17.46 | alinux-lb22 | delire_t61p, of course |
| 14:17.50 | alinux-lb22 | did the restart |
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| 14:18.01 | alinux-lb22 | and no errrors in postfix check |
| 14:18.02 | zealo | home time, babies, bye all, love you ~~~ |
| 14:18.13 | henkpoley | Agiofws: looked here: http://ispell.source.gr/ ? |
| 14:18.14 | delire_t61p | alinux-lb22: well then i'm not sure. i've only just moved to postfix from Exim myself. still familiarising myself with it. |
| 14:18.14 | zealo | !love everyybody |
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| 14:18.21 | tralala | zealo, fine, just don't get naked |
| 14:18.36 | stew | alinux-lb22: show us the output of "postconf -n" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 14:19.07 | zealo | tralala: If am naked, I must be protecting animals ;) |
| 14:19.14 | zealo | bye~~ |
| 14:19.20 | tralala | see ya |
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| 14:20.24 | delire_t61p | tralala: wouldn't ABNT2 be similar to the Spanish keymapping? |
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| 14:21.04 | Rhoruns | zealo, do i want "NX Server for Linux Evaluation", "NX Server Manager for Linux", or "NX Free Edition for Linux" ?? |
| 14:21.08 | alarmo | delire_t61p, probably something like that... |
| 14:21.12 | tralala | delire_t61p, I wouldn't know |
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| 14:21.25 | alarmo | although I have no ñ, and I don't believe Spanish has anything like ç |
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| 14:21.36 | delire_t61p | tralala: oh, sorry. "alarmo" and "tralala" merged for a moment. |
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| 14:21.57 | alarmo | wow! I'm not merging with some unknown IRC nickname ! No Way! ... lol. |
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| 14:22.12 | hoodlum | hey, anyone having troubles with latest flash plugin and latest opera relase? |
| 14:22.19 | hoodlum | cant seem to get anything under flash to load through opera |
| 14:22.22 | ugenk | hi, does anybody has already built vserver-bigmem kernel image for etch? |
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| 14:22.31 | Dazgard | hi here |
| 14:22.33 | tralala | Rhoruns, just use vnc if you expect any community support for the future |
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| 14:22.59 | Dazgard | how can i import a certificated authority (my own) into the systeme please ? |
| 14:23.00 | delire_t61p | alarmo: well my wife writes in Spanish on a Thinkpad with a Deutsch keyboard. she has only good things to say. |
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| 14:23.05 | abrotman | hoodlum: might want to ask on irc.opera.com |
| 14:23.06 | Rhoruns | eh.. ok. :P |
| 14:23.45 | tralala | Rhoruns, and right as we speak you can notice the typical non-free support you can expect |
| 14:23.48 | hoodlum | oh yep |
| 14:23.48 | hoodlum | thanks |
| 14:23.53 | iateadonut | anyone have any idea how to install hangul wp (for .hwp files) on debian? i saw some ubuntu installation instructions, but the program doesn't work well after following those instructions. |
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| 14:23.58 | hoodlum | cause like, loaded appropiate modules n what ever |
| 14:24.07 | hoodlum | and put them in correct place, still no go |
| 14:24.08 | hoodlum | tah anyway |
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| 14:24.48 | tralala | Dazgard, import it where? |
| 14:25.15 | alinux-lb22 | stew, thanks for the command I saw the problem when I was pasting it, this is a secured relay smtp gateway with mailscanner append__origin is set to no so that the email addresses wont get re-written this was preventing me from adding the hostnamae to emails writting in my scripts on the localhost I fixed this using a rule for only the address I am using thanks |
| 14:25.19 | Rhoruns | ohh, i have to subscribe to get support for NX? LO... i mean.. haha |
| 14:25.20 | shamrock` | I need to get a newer version of dovecot of a etch installation. Am i right in thinking I need the etch backport? But where are the deb files? http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/dovecot-imapd ? |
| 14:26.03 | chops | shamrock`: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/i386/dovecot-imapd/download |
| 14:26.21 | stew | shamrock`: read the instructions on http://backports.org |
| 14:26.27 | chops | shamrock`: Probably you want to add the line listed there to /etc/apt/sources.list instead of downloading the .deb directly |
| 14:26.38 | Dazgard | tralala: /etc/ssl/certs/ i suppose |
| 14:26.53 | shamrock` | thanks guys. |
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| 14:27.08 | tralala | Dazgard, you want to prevent your browsers from complaining about certificates signed by you? |
| 14:27.18 | Dazgard | nope |
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| 14:28.12 | Dazgard | i created my own CA and created a cert for my imap server but courier imap complains about |
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| 14:28.18 | Dazgard | here is the error : |
| 14:28.20 | Dazgard | Verify return code: 21 (unable to verify the first certificate) |
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| 14:28.48 | Dazgard | so a assume this is because the system does not know about my own CA |
| 14:28.48 | mogra | is there a method in apt to reinstall the entire list of packages? Kind of like in Arch you can rebuild the entire OS... |
| 14:28.57 | alarmo | hmm... nice. Lots of Blender tutorials on Youtube... I'm away guys, trying to learn a bit about this Blender thing |
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| 14:29.39 | tralala | Dazgard, you assume correctly. You have to check where the imapd is looking for the CA keys, and put yours there. |
| 14:30.03 | Dazgard | ok, i'll debug teh beast :) |
| 14:30.12 | delire_t61p | alarmo: i wrote a Blender manual you might want to check out. |
| 14:30.26 | alarmo | delire_t61p, is it available anywhere ? |
| 14:30.31 | delire_t61p | yes, one moment |
| 14:30.33 | tralala | Dazgard, alternatively you might check the docs |
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| 14:30.52 | Dazgard | i did already |
| 14:31.04 | ezguy | hi, what package do i need to setup printer? |
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| 14:31.12 | ezguy | cup? |
| 14:31.24 | Dazgard | tralala: thanks ;) |
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| 14:31.33 | tralala | Dazgard, you're welcome |
| 14:31.41 | alarmo | I'm more with an amateur interest on this one... I'd like to make a simple character, though. extremely low poly like those seen in late 1990's 3D Games... but don't know if I can make the rigging... or the modeling... or texturing, lol.. anything. |
| 14:31.50 | tralala | Dazgard, there might be extra docs in a dedicated -doc package |
| 14:31.54 | delire_t61p | alarmo: http://flossmanuals.net/blender |
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| 14:32.13 | delire_t61p | alarmo: i'm going to write a section the Game Engine soon. |
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| 14:32.19 | Dazgard | cool, looking for them |
| 14:32.25 | alarmo | Well, thanks! I'll take a good look at it |
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| 14:33.10 | karmatronic | hi |
| 14:33.10 | liable | ezguy: cupsys and friends |
| 14:33.11 | alarmo | delire_t61p, I've seen some amazing stuff made with it on Youtube... at first I didn't think it was that powerful |
| 14:33.20 | delire_t61p | alarmo: this manual is written in avery structured fashion, taking you from the basics to rapid mesh modeling, texturing and then rendering. it's best to start at the very beginning and go through in a step by step fashion. |
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| 14:33.47 | alarmo | I see. |
| 14:34.02 | alarmo | I've had my previous experiences with Blender... but never got past the basics... I better start it all over again. |
| 14:34.11 | ezguy | got it. |
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| 14:34.25 | delire_t61p | alarmo: Blender is very powerful. many don't realise it has a game engine, video editor/sequencer or full NLA character animation studio. |
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| 14:34.49 | alarmo | hmmm, and what would a NLA character animation studio be ? |
| 14:34.55 | karmatronic | delire_t61p: what significant projects have been made using blender ? |
| 14:35.03 | delire_t61p | Non Linear Animation character animation |
| 14:35.12 | alarmo | oh, ok. |
| 14:35.14 | tralala | It would be lovely if some blender/3d/game hacker adds some extra torcs cars |
| 14:35.20 | delire_t61p | karmatronic: google for them. there are many. |
| 14:35.29 | Dazgard | #/join #courier |
| 14:35.36 | Dazgard | oops |
| 14:36.08 | tralala | didn't they use blender in final fantasy? |
| 14:36.12 | delire_t61p | karmatronic: it is being used here and there in the feature film industry now, though not for character animation. |
| 14:36.20 | delire_t61p | tralala: yes, i think so, in some places. |
| 14:36.32 | alarmo | if I can learn to make S.C.O.U.R.G.E. like models (no texture, I'm not good with texturing) I'll be happy enough... it is more than what I'm aiming at, actually. |
| 14:36.38 | delire_t61p | NASA uses it in their jet propulsion labs also i hear. |
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| 14:37.11 | delire_t61p | Blender is very flexible, largely due to the Python interface |
| 14:37.12 | martianlobster | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.32 | mogra | Dreamworks used Blender on Shrek, for one. |
| 14:37.32 | martianlobster | I am running ubuntu, rather than the pure debian |
| 14:37.41 | delire_t61p | mogra: yes, apparently they did. |
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| 14:37.47 | karmatronic | martianlobster: yes it does |
| 14:37.52 | martianlobster | karmatronic: thanks |
| 14:37.54 | tralala | martianlobster, in this case you need to ask #ubuntu |
| 14:38.10 | karmatronic | martianlobster: but it requires a default.conf file in /etc/openvpn i think |
| 14:38.10 | tralala | in debian openvpn comes without config files by default so it doesn't start |
| 14:39.03 | martianlobster | karmatronic: thanks I will get to work on that now. The first thing I need to do however, is remove it from the automatic startup, because I am running it on a laptop, and i have to configure the wireless connection, before I start openvpn |
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| 14:39.45 | liable | but it has sample ones in the docs |
| 14:40.16 | karmatronic | delire_t61p: the thing about blender is that it looks so complicated to do simple things.... |
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| 14:40.57 | mogra | it's kinda like that in GIMP, compared to PS, for instance. |
| 14:40.58 | tralala | but they are not installed, so the daemon doesn't start |
| 14:41.24 | tralala | s,installed,placed in /etc/openvpn/ |
| 14:41.29 | delire_t61p | karmatronic: it's not at all once you have mastered the interface. i worked with Maya for a long time and now find Maya complex due to its nested submenus and mouse-intensive interface |
| 14:41.42 | alarmo | gee... now that was odd... my eth0 was disabled by no apparent reason. |
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| 14:42.08 | delire_t61p | karmatronic: Blender places as much functionality as possible onto the keyboard, reducing RSI. it also distributes button events across all three buttons. |
| 14:42.23 | nofundesktop | I guess the testing distribution will switch to KDE 4... how will the transition happen and when? |
| 14:42.41 | karmatronic | nofundesktop: i think you ll have to wait a little |
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| 14:42.59 | karmatronic | delire_t61p: i d really like to give it a try |
| 14:43.04 | tralala | nofundesktop, it will happen either graduately or all together and it will be ready when it's ready |
| 14:43.12 | delire_t61p | karmatronic: for instance, to scale a form in Blender by two times along the X axis i can simply S-key, X-key, 2-key and hit <ENTER>. this is not possible with many other 3d modeling environments. |
| 14:43.19 | nofundesktop | karmatronic: it's not so that I want to try it out or so, I'm just afraid that the update will mesh up my system |
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| 14:43.25 | alarmo | karmatronic, mogra : while I agree with the gimp stuff (something are odd, to my taste) I have to disagree with Blender. Blender interface is really good, once you get the hang of it. |
| 14:43.33 | Niphyr | Does anyone have or know of a step-by-step on how to check the fd (file descriptor) limit of a process and how to change it? |
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| 14:43.47 | sooli | Hi all ! |
| 14:43.49 | delire_t61p | karmatronic: feel free to check out my manual. start here: http://flossmanuals.net/Blender/Configuring |
| 14:43.53 | karmatronic | nofundesktop: gnome2.20 for instance took 6 months to appear in lenny |
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| 14:44.15 | sooli | I have a problem with rssh ... with the latest upgrade, nothing work fine... |
| 14:44.17 | mogra | alarmo: I agree with you, and I prefer GIMP's interface to PS myself, but they are still more complicated than their commercial competitors to a lot of people. |
| 14:44.23 | chops | nofundesktop: At present, the plan is for testing to have KDE 3 until lenny releases |
| 14:44.26 | sooli | am i alone with this problem ? |
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| 14:44.38 | tralala | sooli, /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:44.43 | karmatronic | sooli: mmm...maybe pb on the server side |
| 14:44.55 | karmatronic | sooli: ssh client works fine here.. |
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| 14:45.01 | nofundesktop | ok, until then the KDE 4 in unstable will be pretty stable, I guess |
| 14:45.03 | alarmo | mogra, the thing with blender, in that aspect, is that, while it can me less *intuitive*, once you learn, I find it easier to make things in it than with other packages... |
| 14:45.04 | nofundesktop | nothing to worry |
| 14:45.11 | Niphyr | If anyone could help me out that would be great.. |
| 14:45.23 | alarmo | it is somewhat like vim |
| 14:45.27 | sooli | karmatronic: i have the same problem with 2 servers |
| 14:45.29 | chops | nofundesktop: http://www.nabble.com/Bits-from-the-Qt-KDE-team-to14732311.html |
| 14:45.48 | delire_t61p | mogra: i think Gimp needs some work on the interface. i'm still not convinced that every tool panel should be a separate X client. |
| 14:45.50 | tralala | nofundesktop, yes, pretty much. "unstable" is just a pet name for "pretty stable" |
| 14:45.52 | alarmo | while I wouldn't recommend vim for someone starting programming right now, I have to say I can't get away from it for long :P |
| 14:46.00 | delire_t61p | mogra: but anyway, some love it. |
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| 14:46.16 | delire_t61p | alarmo: vim is a fantastic IDE. |
| 14:46.20 | nofundesktop | tralala: ? |
| 14:46.23 | alarmo | delire_t61p, I, myself, would like to see Gimp with a more Inkscape-like interface. |
| 14:46.30 | shamrock` | which command line torrent client would you recommend to run on a server ? |
| 14:46.30 | chops | nofundesktop: "unstable" and "stable" refer to the frequency of updates, not the reliability of the software. YMMV with all Debian versions (although stable is generally quite reliable in practice). |
| 14:46.37 | alarmo | delire_t61p, I love Vim, oh, ok, I hate it, but I'm addicted to it :P |
| 14:46.39 | delire_t61p | alarmo: Inkscape, now those guys are doing it /right/ |
| 14:47.01 | delire_t61p | Inkscape is an incredibly well design application IMO. |
| 14:47.07 | tralala | nofundesktop, they call that "sarcasm". Don't fool around with unstable - it will break your system horrbily sooner or later. |
| 14:47.12 | twiggz | unstable is a petname for your applications might disappear if you do your updates and |
| 14:47.14 | alarmo | my relationship with Vim is troublesome :P I don't really like it, but I can't find anything better than it, so I keep using. |
| 14:47.16 | Niphyr | Does anyone have or know of a step-by-step on how to check the fd (file descriptor) limit of a process and how to change it? |
| 14:47.20 | nofundesktop | tralala: I used unstable for years |
| 14:47.20 | twiggz | things may quit working |
| 14:47.23 | sooli | if i try to connect trought sftp://myuser@myserverip ... the server freeze ... I have to wait for 5 minutes before to create a new connection on it |
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| 14:47.47 | delire_t61p | alarmo: that's the philosophy of Vim. to suck the least rather than be the 'best'. |
| 14:47.49 | sooli | ssh freeze only (ftp, http, etc... work) |
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| 14:47.53 | karmatronic | sooli: and with simple sftp ? |
| 14:48.17 | sooli | with a basic sftp account (no rssh) all is ok |
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| 14:48.22 | justin | sooli: fix your dns? |
| 14:48.26 | delire_t61p | mogra: as i said earlier, i'd also heard of Blender being used on Shrek, but everytime i've asked for - or looked for - a reference to this, i can't find it. |
| 14:48.30 | alarmo | if only I had a proper IPC mechanism useable in Vim, then I could write all the tools I want outside it, and communicate with it easily |
| 14:48.37 | delire_t61p | mogra: do you have a concrete reference? |
| 14:48.41 | tralala | nofundesktop, in that case strike over "sooner" |
| 14:48.47 | sooli | it did work before this upgrade |
| 14:48.49 | delire_t61p | alarmo: interesting.. |
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| 14:49.23 | alarmo | I mean, I like the Vim editor... the extra stuff for an IDE being made in text-based splits is what drives me off. |
| 14:49.38 | alarmo | if I could have the extra stuff as floating windows around my editor, I would be all set :P |
| 14:49.40 | tralala | alarmo, vim has a pretty heavy multilanguage ipc support |
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| 14:49.51 | delire_t61p | alarmo: why not use tabs in Vim? i don't use splits since Vim7.0 |
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| 14:50.01 | biz | i want to stream all my sound transparently for apps over the network and play it at the sound server through the hifi. should i use JACK or pulseaudio here? why? |
| 14:50.06 | Niphyr | Does anyone have or know of a step-by-step on how to check the fd (file descriptor) limit of a process and how to change it? |
| 14:50.15 | alarmo | tralala, am I able to wait on events without hanging the whole application ? like, select on a socket, or whatever, while the user is still typing ? |
| 14:50.22 | delire_t61p | alarmo: :tabnew foo, then 'gt' to Go to Tab. |
| 14:50.42 | tralala | I prefer hidden buffers to tabs |
| 14:50.50 | delire_t61p | tralala: this is something i've never looked into |
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| 14:50.54 | duns_s | there is a type here: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/metapackages-kde4.html |
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| 14:51.03 | duns_s | typo |
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| 14:51.21 | alarmo | delire_t61p, I use tabs, but I'm talking to "extra stuff"... things you would most easily find in Eclipse, Netbeans or even Emacs, that with Vim they have to be made by text splits |
| 14:51.24 | duns_s | kde4-development will include kde4libs not kde4lins ;-) |
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| 14:51.32 | Woet | I have 'ServerAlias *.domain.nl' in my httpd.conf of a domain, but only 'www.domain.nl' resolves, nothing else. |
| 14:51.32 | amaldo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.34 | delire_t61p | taglist in conjunction with Vim7.0's tabs are indispensable for me now. |
| 14:51.47 | alarmo | if only I could program them as separate windows... I don't mind floating transient windows... if I could write them I'd be all set. |
| 14:51.52 | delire_t61p | alarmo: right, i see |
| 14:51.57 | sooli | does someone use rssh here ? |
| 14:52.02 | chops | !anyone |
| 14:52.02 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:52.21 | alarmo | text based stuff like taglist , with the same font as the code, just wastest a LOT of space, in my opinion |
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| 14:52.47 | chops | Woet: Which domains resolve has more to do with your DNS than your httpd.conf |
| 14:52.56 | Mark20 | i get the following error when i do /etc/init.d/networking restart: SIOCSIFADDR: no such device eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device Failed to bring up eth0. done. how can i fix that? also udev and/or z25 information from dpkg isnt helping |
| 14:53.07 | Woet | Well, i would like all subdomains to go to the domain itself. |
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| 14:53.20 | Woet | using *.domain.nl should work according to the DirectAdmin Knowledge center. |
| 14:53.30 | alarmo | and, delire_t61p : splits are AWESOME when you want to work with two files at once... the first thing that comes in my head is the .c/.h ... why bother "toggling" between them when they're only a ^WW appart ? |
| 14:53.31 | chops | Woet: You'll need to set up DNS, not your httpd.conf, for that to work. |
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| 14:53.47 | Woet | DNS which i can find in the DirectAdmin panel? |
| 14:53.48 | Mark20 | Woet: are you dutch? |
| 14:53.53 | Woet | Yes i am. |
| 14:54.03 | Mark20 | can i pm you to help you? |
| 14:54.10 | chops | Woet: (You'll _also_ need your httpd.conf set up as you've done once your DNS is set up, but they're two separate operations.) |
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| 14:54.21 | Woet | Sure Mark20, please do. |
| 14:54.21 | alarmo | well, I'm away from keyboard now. Have to make me some lunch |
| 14:54.26 | Woet | Im testing the DNS right now. |
| 14:54.26 | chops | Woet: I don't know about DirectAdmin, sorry. |
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| 14:55.07 | Woet | chops, which type of DNS do i need? |
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| 14:55.20 | Woet | A? CName> |
| 14:55.21 | Woet | ? |
| 14:55.25 | screamingbytes | mornin |
| 14:55.26 | abrotman | Mark17: your card isn't there |
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| 14:55.29 | screamingbytes | i hate insomnia |
| 14:55.33 | gh0zt | Hi |
| 14:55.49 | chops | Woet: A is probably best. I don't know how to set up a wildcard DNS entry like that, unfortunately. |
| 14:55.57 | Woet | Ok, thanks for the help anyway. |
| 14:56.10 | abrotman | he could ask #dns |
| 14:56.19 | Mark17 | abrotman: strange, because other vps guests are running? |
| 14:56.31 | abrotman | Mark17: ifconfig -a .. which NICs do you see? |
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| 14:57.00 | Ward1983 | is there a place to suggest packaging of software? |
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| 14:57.17 | \amethyst | !RFP |
| 14:57.17 | dpkg | it has been said that rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
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| 14:57.59 | tralala | alarmo, the whole point of vim is "do it without a mouse". You can define functions, procedures, commands, abbreviations, shortcuts... everything you can imagine. Trying to emulate traditional IDEs with vim is a misplaced goal, imho |
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| 14:58.15 | keith4 | has anyone been able to get module assistant to build the nvidia kernel module in sid recently? http://pastebin.ca/850859 |
| 14:58.17 | Mark17 | abrotman: eth4/lo/sit0 |
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| 14:58.26 | delire_t61p | tralala: agreed, though it's amazing how far you can get with :set mouse=a ;) |
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| 14:58.51 | Rhoruns | uh oh.. lol |
| 14:59.00 | Mark17 | but no ips except 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:59.10 | alarmo | tralala, I think it is a matter of taste. I love the keyboard for everything related to editing... vim is extremely powerful in that area |
| 14:59.11 | Rhoruns | in my VNC session, i accidentally minimized my shell window.. how do i bring it back up? |
| 14:59.26 | screamingbytes | Mark17 can u ping 127.0.0.1? |
| 14:59.28 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, its a prog that only would be interesting for ARM based systems (PDa, a PDA version of puredata) |
| 14:59.30 | alarmo | to other things, though, I would like to have a more mouse oriented approach |
| 14:59.43 | delire_t61p | Ward1983: yes, PD on ARM would be nice. |
| 14:59.44 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, does that have any chance? |
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| 14:59.51 | sooli | I confirm, rssh freeze ssh for a moment :/ |
| 14:59.52 | alarmo | basically stuff that includes selecting one specific item amongst many others |
| 14:59.53 | delire_t61p | Ward1983: probably not. |
| 15:00.04 | alarmo | I think that's why they invented mouse, in the first place :) |
| 15:00.07 | Ward1983 | delire_t61p, you can compile it (i did its fairly easy) |
| 15:00.08 | delire_t61p | Ward1983: would you consider maintaining it yourself? |
| 15:00.14 | tralala | alarmo, well programming is editing. I've never felt the nead to use a bloated IDE for programming. |
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| 15:00.26 | Ward1983 | delire_t61p, i can't, i dunno how to package even |
| 15:00.28 | Mark17 | screamingbytes: yes |
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| 15:00.30 | Niphyr | Does anyone have or know of a step-by-step on how to check the fd (file descriptor) limit of a process and how to change it? |
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| 15:00.42 | delire_t61p | Ward1983: if you follow a few rules closely, it's really not that hard. |
| 15:01.22 | Ward1983 | delire_t61p, you can compile PDa btw |
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| 15:01.24 | screamingbytes | and i assume u tried ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0, or /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:01.35 | tralala | those "few" rules happen to be described in a thick book, that judging by packages.qa.debian.org is not well known even among the DDs |
| 15:01.42 | delire_t61p | Ward1983: i've compiled PD many times, just not on ARM |
| 15:01.44 | screamingbytes | then checking the ip again and it failed :( |
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| 15:01.52 | Ward1983 | delire_t61p, http://gige.xdv.org/pda/ |
| 15:01.57 | Mark17 | yes, /etc/init.d/networking restart isnt working |
| 15:02.01 | andresrcanas9 | debian in spanish please. |
| 15:02.04 | delire_t61p | ahah nice. Guenter's done it |
| 15:02.10 | Ward1983 | delire_t61p, take that one for ARM :-) it has tons less floating point |
| 15:02.18 | \amethyst | !es |
| 15:02.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:02.20 | delire_t61p | Ward1983: cheers, nice link. |
| 15:02.30 | screamingbytes | ifdown eth4, eth4 is your main nic right? |
| 15:02.46 | Ward1983 | delire_t61p, no prob, i use it on my pda, so i can use it as a wireless touchscreen midicontroller :-D |
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| 15:03.00 | screamingbytes | trail that with && ifup eth4 if its remote |
| 15:03.02 | Ward1983 | (trough netsend) |
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| 15:03.14 | delire_t61p | Ward1983: nice. |
| 15:03.16 | delire_t61p | Ward1983: i'm about to start an ARM related project, with PD as a sound server. this is good timing. |
| 15:03.25 | abrotman | Mark17: dmesg | grep eth .. do you see any ? |
| 15:03.43 | abrotman | !tell screamingbytes about u |
| 15:03.57 | screamingbytes | abrotman plz stop msg'ing me about u |
| 15:03.59 | Ward1983 | delire_t61p, i'll look into those packaging guides sometime, if you say its not too hard maybe i could try and do it |
| 15:04.04 | abrotman | please stop talking like an idiot |
| 15:04.09 | screamingbytes | i am not |
| 15:04.13 | abrotman | you are |
| 15:04.20 | alarmo | now I'm curious... |
| 15:04.22 | abrotman | let's take a poll :) |
| 15:04.24 | alarmo | !tell alarmo about u |
| 15:04.30 | Hohlraum | anyone know if debian has a non-profit entity in the US that is able give tax deductions for hardware contributions? |
| 15:04.41 | abrotman | !spi |
| 15:04.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, spi is Software in the Public Interest, the umbrella organization for Debian and other Free Software projects, and the home page is http://www.spi-inc.org/ |
| 15:04.47 | Ward1983 | !tell Ward1983 about u |
| 15:04.49 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 15:04.50 | Mark17 | netfront: initialising virtual ethernet driver. netfront: device eth0 has flipping receive path. |
| 15:05.07 | Dewi | flipping heck! |
| 15:05.08 | abrotman | Hohlraum: unsure about hardware though, but they do handle the cash donations and tax items i believe |
| 15:05.25 | alarmo | Pretty good one, huh ? :P |
| 15:05.36 | Ward1983 | delire_t61p, do you have a page yet for your project? |
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| 15:06.32 | delire_t61p | Ward1983: Ward1983 no, not yet, but i will soon. i work with Augmented Reality currently. it is a continuation of some recent work i've been doing. |
| 15:07.02 | thinkgeek | hi guys |
| 15:07.25 | abrotman | Hohlraum: did you find your information? |
| 15:07.34 | Ward1983 | delire_t61p, ok i'll ask you again about it sometime then :-) |
| 15:07.42 | delire_t61p | Ward1983: if you like, i can message you my development blog so you can keep in touch with developments. |
| 15:07.52 | Mark17 | how can i solve the problem with eth0? |
| 15:08.01 | Ward1983 | delire_t61p, sure |
| 15:08.14 | abrotman | Mark17: dmesg | grep eth .. do you get any devices? |
| 15:08.26 | Mark17 | only what i just mentioned |
| 15:08.39 | Mark17 | it is in a debian guest on a vps server |
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| 15:09.11 | delire_t61p | Ward1983: here's a good HOWTO for learning about packaging: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
| 15:09.12 | abrotman | Mark17: i'd think there should be more |
| 15:09.33 | Ward1983 | delire_t61p, thanx (no msg received yet) |
| 15:10.24 | delire | Ward1983: try that |
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| 15:10.32 | Mark17 | abrotman: well on the guest there isnt more |
| 15:11.15 | Ward1983 | delire, got it now :-) |
| 15:11.26 | delire | great.. |
| 15:12.20 | delire | Ward1983: i think an debian package of PD for the ARM arch would be excellent. ARM isn't going away, it's a very popular architecture these days. |
| 15:13.26 | Ward1983 | delire, if i can find the time and skills |
| 15:13.26 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 15:13.48 | delire | .. and Debian, i read, is the most popular distribution used by embedded device developers. |
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| 15:14.54 | Niphyr | Does anyone have or know of a step-by-step on how to check the fd (file descriptor) limit of a process and how to change it? |
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| 15:15.30 | Ward1983 | delire, is there any other software you can recommend on ARM? i own my pda only about 2 months |
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| 15:15.49 | chops | Niphyr: ulimit |
| 15:15.51 | Ward1983 | delire, (running OABI btw) |
| 15:16.01 | chops | Niphyr: http://www.xenoclast.org/doc/benchmark/HTTP-benchmarking-HOWTO/node7.html |
| 15:16.02 | delire | Ward1983: hmm.. my tastes are a bit specific as i'm primarily concerned with computer vision and graphics programming.. |
| 15:16.06 | Niphyr | Ok, thanks. |
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| 15:16.20 | delire | Ward1983: if you're interested in those areas then yes, sure, i can reccommend a lot ;) |
| 15:16.28 | alarmo | delire, now look how things are... found a series of lots of video tutorials on Blender on Youtube.. the thing is... I can't stand the voice of the guy :P |
| 15:16.40 | delire | hehe. |
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| 15:16.48 | kaxi | is xvesa available for debian? |
| 15:16.50 | delire | alarmo: i really struggle with video tutes for the same reason. |
| 15:17.13 | abrotman | kaxi: the vesa driver for x ? |
| 15:17.38 | Ward1983 | delire, computer vision on PDA? :-O |
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| 15:17.47 | kaxi | abrotman it is a mini x server from what i read |
| 15:18.00 | delire | Ward1983: yes, for Augmented Reality related projects. |
| 15:18.04 | Ward1983 | delire, i'm interested allright, but i'm not much of a coder, i VJ sometimes with gephex |
| 15:18.17 | delire | Ward1983: nice.. been meaning to check out gephex. |
| 15:18.30 | Ward1983 | delire, but its so slow with grpahics, a pda? |
| 15:18.49 | Ward1983 | delire, be sure to do so, its amazing, but i prefer the GUI from gephex 0.4.3 and the rest of 0.4.4 |
| 15:18.50 | delire | Ward1983: some, but some not. look at the Sharp Zaurus for instance. |
| 15:18.59 | Mark17 | if i typ route i get no ips, where are the config files to fix it? |
| 15:19.10 | chops | Mark17: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:19.12 | acemi | \quit |
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| 15:19.28 | delire | Ward1983: some of the Zaurus range have capable GPU's for basic CV and OpenGL related work. |
| 15:19.42 | delire | that said, this is all heading toward UMPC's these days. |
| 15:19.43 | Ward1983 | delire, i'm owning a pocket loox 720 (520Mhz XScale, 128MB RAM, USB Host, Wifi, BLuetooth, ...) |
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| 15:19.50 | kaxi | does anybody know what -0 does for parted? |
| 15:20.03 | Ward1983 | delire, Personally i think UMPC's suck, too large, they're just tiny laptops |
| 15:20.05 | delire | Ward1983: yes, not enough for graphics intensive work. |
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| 15:20.12 | Mark17 | chops: are there also other locations? because that part is ok for as far as i can see |
| 15:20.15 | sylvantis | Hello I installed kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 from the experimental branch, how can i start it? |
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| 15:20.26 | delire | Ward1983: many do yes. some are quite attractive though, the Sony UX for instance. |
| 15:20.36 | keith4 | has anyone been able to get module assistant to build the nvidia kernel module in sid recently? http://pastebin.ca/850859 |
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| 15:20.51 | chops | Mark17: Did you call 'ifup' on your interface? Did it succeed? |
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| 15:21.17 | Ward1983 | delire, that indeed looks very nice, but very expensive at the same time :p |
| 15:21.23 | delire | very |
| 15:21.32 | Mark17 | chops: ifup didnt succeed |
| 15:21.38 | kaxi | maybe someone could tell me what is wrong with this parted /dev/sda "mklabel msdos mkpart primary 0 -0 boot" |
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| 15:21.43 | chops | Mark17: What was the error message? Pastebin is fine. |
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| 15:22.53 | Mark17 | http://pastebin.ca/850880 |
| 15:23.15 | Mark17 | first a part off the /etc/network/interfaces and after that the error |
| 15:24.12 | justin | Mark17: you don't have an eth0 |
| 15:24.52 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 15:25.01 | Mark17 | :S |
| 15:25.16 | chops | Mark17: What kind of network card do you have? |
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| 15:25.27 | Mark17 | and how can i create it? because it is just a vps and an other vps on the same master is working |
| 15:25.42 | chops | Mark17: What software are you using to create the VPS? |
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| 15:25.55 | Mark17 | xen |
| 15:26.27 | justin | Mark17: you are likely missing the vif = line in your config file for the domU |
| 15:27.00 | Mark17 | justin: and an other vps will work without that line? |
| 15:27.37 | justin | Mark17: *shrug* |
| 15:28.16 | Mark17 | there is a line with: vif = [ 'ip=89.248.170.42' ] |
| 15:28.17 | Mark17 | ;) |
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| 15:28.31 | Mark17 | the other vps only has a different ip on that line |
| 15:28.42 | Mark17 | (41 instead off 42 at the end) |
| 15:28.49 | justin | Mark17: does xm dmesg say anything useful? |
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| 15:29.56 | minerale | how do I set the hostname? it seems to reset when i do `sudo hostname foo` |
| 15:30.28 | justin | minerale: grep oldhostname /etc/* |
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| 15:31.44 | Mark17 | justin: nothing that is really strange, however it gives an error on the trying to set up timer as virtual wire irq |
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| 15:32.19 | justin | Mark17: did it perhaps just get called something other than eth0? what does ifconfig -a say? |
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| 15:32.46 | dazjorz | Hi |
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| 15:34.06 | dazjorz | I've got a little problem here |
| 15:34.12 | dazjorz | I can ping 127.0.0.1, but I can't ping localhost |
| 15:34.13 | dazjorz | http://paster.dazjorz.com/?p=1999 |
| 15:34.16 | dazjorz | there's /etc/hosts |
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| 15:34.32 | dazjorz | I have no idea where to go from here |
| 15:34.38 | Mark17 | on the host: eth0/lo/peth0/sit0/veth1/veth2/veth3/vif0.0/vif0.1/vif0.2/vif0.3/vif1.0/vif2.0/vif4.0/vif5.0/vif6.0/vif8.0/xenbr0 |
| 15:34.39 | justin | dazjorz: why can't you? |
| 15:34.48 | justin | ah, nm, I see :) |
| 15:34.56 | justin | dazjorz: /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
| 15:37.05 | dazjorz | justin: doesn't exist |
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| 15:38.53 | justin | dazjorz: well, that is your problem |
| 15:39.17 | dazjorz | justin: what's the default content ? |
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| 15:39.33 | justin | dazjorz: /usr/share/base-files/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 15:39.49 | dazjorz | ah |
| 15:39.50 | dazjorz | there we go |
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| 15:40.31 | Mark17 | on the guest: eth4/lo/sit0 |
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| 15:40.41 | Mark17 | but not the ip i need |
| 15:40.45 | dazjorz | justin: thanks a lot :) |
| 15:41.13 | justin | Mark17: eth4? that is odd |
| 15:43.01 | jetscreamer | blame udev |
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| 15:43.27 | justin | yeah .. I don't have udev installed in my domU's... |
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| 15:44.15 | justin | dazjorz: check /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 15:44.29 | Mark17 | justin: that is what it shows |
| 15:44.31 | justin | dazjorz: you probably want to hardcode a mac= on the vif = line in the config file |
| 15:44.35 | justin | ooh, oops |
| 15:44.48 | Mark17 | and yes i know it is strange (i cannot find why it is eth4) |
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| 15:44.55 | justin | Mark17: check /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 15:45.03 | justin | Mark17: you probably want to hardcode a mac= on the vif = line in the config file |
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| 15:45.20 | justin | Mark17: i bet you rebooted that domU 3 times, and the one that works you either don't have udev installed or you haven't rebooted it yet |
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| 15:45.58 | Mark17 | justin: i rebooted the host and they all have udev installed |
| 15:46.11 | Mark17 | also all guests did get a reboot |
| 15:46.23 | screamingbytes | Mark17: whats after iface in your /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 15:48.31 | Mark17 | screamingbytes: on the guest: eth0 inet static |
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| 15:48.36 | Mark17 | after iface on the same line |
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| 15:48.51 | Mark17 | justin: yes you are right, the others dont have udev |
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| 15:49.46 | screamingbytes | Mark17: cat your /etc/network/run/ifstate file is eth0=eth4? |
| 15:49.59 | Symmetria | anyone awake in here from mirrors@debian.org? |
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| 15:50.51 | abrotman | Symmetria: the mailing list? |
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| 15:51.14 | Mark17 | no, only lo=lo |
| 15:51.18 | Mark17 | no eth0 line |
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| 15:51.42 | Symmetria | abrotman heh, whoever does the mirror maintenance, wanna check if they got an email I sent earlier regarding moving www.za.debian.org and setting up ftp.za.debian.org etc |
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| 15:52.05 | abrotman | Symmetria: try #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net (i think it exists) |
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| 15:53.07 | chops | Symmetria: How long ago did you send it? The great thing about email is that you don't have to bother someone in real time for them to get your message. |
| 15:53.13 | chops | Symmetria: Of course, I can see that you're excited :-) |
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| 15:54.27 | Symmetria | heh chops, prefer to check to make sure someone actually got it when its something fairly important, dont get how long it takes to get replied to, but email does occasionally not arrive (broken greylists, miss configurations, spam filters that pick up false positives, I can keep listing ;p) |
| 15:54.30 | Mark17 | justin: do i have to remove udev to fix it? |
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| 15:56.43 | Mark17 | or is there an other option? |
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| 15:57.29 | justin | Mark17: specify a single mac in the domU config file |
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| 15:58.49 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 15:59.04 | SamuraiDio | is there a way to install the old artwiz cursors on Lenny? |
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| 16:00.22 | Mark17 | justin: in what file can i do that? |
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| 16:01.35 | justin | Mark17: the vif = line |
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| 16:02.33 | Mark17 | in the config for the guest (so /etc/xen/xen05.cfg on the host)? |
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| 16:04.28 | Polleke | I'm trying to make a chroot ssh login using pam_chroot. The chroot dir has been created using the example script provided. When trying to login it reports it can't find /bin/bash. It is in the chroot directory though. |
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| 16:06.26 | mike1o | !xml |
| 16:06.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, xml is eXtensible Markup Language, and more info can be found at Homepage: http://www.jclark.com/xml/expat.html or There are generally two types of xml parsers: validating and those checking well-formedness. A valid xml document is one that is well-formed, and also complies with SGML conventions. getting bastardised by linux, call the XML-Men ~.linux bleh, or , or s-expressions in drag |
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| 16:07.17 | Polleke | pam_chroot.so has debug option set. In auth.log I can see "pam_chroot[2378]: session: preparing to chroot()". But nothing after that, should I see more? |
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| 16:13.48 | screamingbytes | Mark17: are u using XenVM? |
| 16:14.34 | karmatronic | Polleke: another option is to compile ssh for chroot |
| 16:15.12 | abrotman | screamingbytes: try again |
| 16:16.16 | Mark17 | screamingbytes: i am using xen (if i am correct xenvm) |
| 16:16.20 | Polleke | karmatronic, I rather not. It's a box without compiler, prefer to keep it that way |
| 16:16.33 | mogra | So, any method of rebuilding the entire system in Debian? Not recompiling, perse, just reinstalling all installed packages from aptitude? |
| 16:16.45 | chops | mogra: What problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 16:17.07 | cahoot | !reinstall |
| 16:17.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. |
| 16:17.09 | mogra | chops: power outage caused some data corruption in various packages. |
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| 16:17.30 | Polleke | karmatronic, I think I found the issue though. Doing chroot chrootdir/ yields the same error. With strace is shows it's searching for locals within the chroot dir |
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| 16:17.39 | chops | mogra: You could use debsums to find which packages are corrupted and only reinstall those packages |
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| 16:18.01 | chops | Polleke: So the example is wrong, then? |
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| 16:18.38 | Polleke | chops, I think the .bashrc in the chroot /home dir is doing it |
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| 16:19.21 | dusty-sts | Hey guys I Keep getting this error when using apt-get:http://pastebin.com/m6e1c626 how do i fix it |
| 16:19.55 | screamingbytes | Mark17: see if this makes sense... http://forums.xensource.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4989 |
| 16:20.04 | screamingbytes | read the last post |
| 16:20.05 | SamuraiDio | is there some app or tutorial to help create X11 cursor themes |
| 16:20.10 | chops | dusty-sts: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:20.23 | chops | dusty-sts: And then enable the en_GB.UTF-8 locale |
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| 16:21.19 | Polleke | chops, no it's not. This is the strace: chroot("chroot/"); chdir("/"); execve("/bin/bash", ["/bin/bash", "-i"], [/* 19 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 16:21.36 | Polleke | chops, and after that a whole search for locales it can't find |
| 16:21.53 | chops | Polleke: That's odd. And you have a /the/chroot/dir/bin/bash file? |
| 16:22.12 | Polleke | chops, yes |
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| 16:23.26 | chops | Polleke: Can you pastebin the entire session of "ls -l chroot/bin/bash; sudo strace chroot chroot/"? |
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| 16:24.04 | Polleke | sure |
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| 16:24.33 | Mark17 | screamingbytes: that works, thank you |
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| 16:24.57 | ezguy | i got a sblive card and modules load but it not working. any ideas? |
| 16:25.20 | stew | ezguy: be more specific than "not working" |
| 16:25.39 | darkstego | in the debian installer shell, how can I trouble shoot my network connection (there is no ping command) |
| 16:25.42 | Polleke | chops, http://pastebin.org/15003 |
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| 16:26.04 | Polleke | chops, hmm, thats not a ls -l |
| 16:26.19 | ezguy | (no sound) i ran aumix and got this message " error opening mixer" |
| 16:26.19 | Vote | I am installing Debian on a very old system (200Mhz, 30MB RAM). Have created a 256MB swap and the installer gets all the way through in low memory mode to the point where it wants to install a bootloader, but it fails installing grub and lilo. kicks out an error saying cannot install on target. any ideas? |
| 16:26.28 | Polleke | chops, -rwxrwxrwx 2 root root 677184 2006-12-11 22:20 /home/chrootest/chroot/bin/bash |
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| 16:26.35 | stew | ezguy: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 16:27.02 | ^root^ | i have a video thats shot inverted, which player should i user and how do i rotated it by 180Deg? |
| 16:27.03 | karmatronic | Vote: would be grub OR lilo |
| 16:27.25 | Vote | karmatronic: do they have minimum requirements then? |
| 16:27.39 | karmatronic | Vote: i dont think so |
| 16:27.53 | karmatronic | Vote: you re telling him to install on MBR? |
| 16:27.57 | Vote | it happens with the common.iso and the syslinux iso |
| 16:27.59 | ezguy | that was the problem, now aumix is working |
| 16:28.00 | screamingbytes | Mark17: that fixed it? or your gonna give it a go |
| 16:28.08 | chops | Polleke: That's odd. |
| 16:28.17 | stew | ezguy: you might want to list snd-pcm-oss in /etc/modules so that it gets automatically loaded at boot |
| 16:28.24 | karmatronic | ^root^: mplayer or vlc can rotate videos |
| 16:28.24 | chops | Polleke: Does putting sash into the chroot and then "chroot chroot /bin/sash" work? |
| 16:28.38 | ezguy | just add snd-pcm-oss line in /etc/modules? |
| 16:28.44 | ^root^ | karmatronic, yes i opened it in them, now :( |
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| 16:28.46 | Polleke | chops, sash? |
| 16:28.53 | Vote | karmatronic: yes, i made a 50mb boot partition |
| 16:28.57 | Mark17 | screamingbytes: it fixed it |
| 16:28.58 | ^root^ | is there a way to even permanently rotated it? |
| 16:29.00 | chops | Polleke: apt-cache show sash |
| 16:29.10 | screamingbytes | Mark17: fantastic, gratz |
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| 16:29.22 | karmatronic | ^root^: do you have an error message? |
| 16:29.30 | ezguy | stew: thanks alot. |
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| 16:29.40 | stew | ezguy: you're welcome |
| 16:29.42 | daniele_982 | hello all |
| 16:29.52 | Polleke | chops, my theory right now is that the the file not found is not from not finding bash, but from not finding those locales. It just repeats the error, think I've seen that before |
| 16:30.10 | _AleX_ | hi all. I need to add virus scanner capability to a samba server running on Debian Etch. I've found a program called "samba-vscan", but I don't find a debian package for Etch. Someone knows an unofficial repository where i can find a package of this program ? |
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| 16:30.31 | ^root^ | nope, its playing 180 Deg rotated |
| 16:30.38 | chops | Polleke: Well, the execve() does return -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
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| 16:31.01 | Vote | karmatronic: could it be because this machine is i586 arch? |
| 16:31.09 | diepes | how do i download a flash video to disk ? e.g http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=6454521153918323669&autoPlay=true&playerMode=embedded |
| 16:31.12 | chops | Polleke: I'm wondering if that might be from failure to open one of the dependent libraries, though |
| 16:31.44 | stew | Polleke: you might try strace |
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| 16:31.56 | Polleke | stew, I've been doing that |
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| 16:32.08 | Polleke | stew, http://pastebin.org/15003 |
| 16:32.14 | daniele_982 | i've a little problem my password is stored for the session ...so if i insert the root password in synaptic the first time or in a terminal root it don't ask me the password |
| 16:32.16 | mogra | chops: got an example of using debsums to do that? |
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| 16:32.30 | piroko | Is there an easier way to modify a runlevel's scripts (S**, K**) without manually renaming them? |
| 16:32.42 | frank_ | Do i have to do something more to upgrade to KDE4 in etch than just hitting apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 16:32.47 | Polleke | chops, sash works, excellent idea, thanks |
| 16:32.53 | _AleX_ | piroko: man update-rc.d |
| 16:32.59 | piroko | _AleX_: Thanks! |
| 16:32.59 | karmatronic | frank_: yes you can dream too :) |
| 16:33.07 | frank_ | karmatronic: what? |
| 16:33.16 | Polleke | chops, confirms that bash is missing libs/whatever |
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| 16:33.22 | karmatronic | frank_: dont thonk kde4 is already in debian |
| 16:33.27 | frank_ | ok |
| 16:33.30 | frank_ | 2bad :\ |
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| 16:34.08 | hark | karmatronic: it's in experimental |
| 16:34.12 | themill | !tell frank_ about kde4 |
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| 16:34.30 | enveezee | is there a channel for openoffice.org? |
| 16:34.31 | frank_ | blargh |
| 16:34.31 | karmatronic | hark: using it ? |
| 16:35.15 | unbekannt | How come when I build a kernel with make-kpkg, my .ko files are 5x larger than the stock kernel modules? I don't see a 'strip' option in the man page. Is there something I'm missing? |
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| 16:35.25 | Agiofws | hi |
| 16:35.28 | Agiofws | some new version of mutt has this annoying autocollapse feature does anyone know how to disable this stupid new feature ? |
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| 16:35.43 | frankS_ | sorry, so many used nicks on freenode |
| 16:35.44 | frankS_ | :P |
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| 16:37.33 | stew | Polleke: you should be running strace with -f |
| 16:38.11 | enveezee | !info openoffice.org sid |
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| 16:38.16 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (OpenOffice.org Office suite), section editors, is optional. Version: 1:2.3.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 194 kB, Installed size: 312 kB |
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| 16:38.29 | stew | enveezee: there is #debian-oo on irc.freenode.net |
| 16:38.33 | stew | enveezee: err, irc.debian.org |
| 16:38.36 | Authority | is there a debian way to clean /var/cache/apt/archives or do I just rm *? |
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| 16:38.46 | azeem | Authority: apt-get clean |
| 16:38.47 | stew | Authority: apt-get clean or apt-get autoclean |
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| 16:39.13 | Authority | thanks azeem and stew |
| 16:39.17 | enveezee | stew: ah, ok. The new oo.o calc has an annoying dialog when you try delete a cell that makes for an extra keystroke I'd like it to just assume a default behavior and not do that |
| 16:39.36 | Polleke | stew, didnt make a difference for the trace |
| 16:39.46 | piroko | Hmm... The command for runlevel script enabling/disabling seems to befor creating new scripts or deleting old ones... Is there a command that will just toggle the state of the existing ones? |
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| 16:40.07 | stew | Polleke: then /bin/bash is probably really the thing that is missing |
| 16:40.40 | themill | enveezee: you can remap the DEL keystroke (backspace will do what you are used to) |
| 16:40.42 | enveezee | I'll look in to #debian-oo later.. don't feel like connecting to another network right now since I am on pidgin not irssi atm |
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| 16:41.02 | enveezee | themill: ah. well I could just hit backspace instead then I guess |
| 16:41.02 | Polleke | stew, it's really there, no question. Doing the same thing with sash worked, sash is same place as bash, command changed just one letter |
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| 16:41.40 | frankS_ | why should i choosedebian insteadof ubuntu? |
| 16:41.50 | stew | Polleke: so you think it is a kernel bug? |
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| 16:42.00 | stew | frankS_: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 16:42.02 | enveezee | themill: I just want cell data to dissapear in a single keystroke like I'm used to.. its not a matter of changing habbit, its a matter of not adding steps to an uncomplicated process of removing cell data |
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| 16:42.11 | mogra | nm, chops, I found... http://ch.tudelft.nl/~arthur/recovery.html |
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| 16:42.32 | enveezee | sounds like a microsoft kinda thing to me.. adding more steps to something to make it seem more complicated than it is |
| 16:43.04 | Polleke | stew, no I think it's doing exactly what it is supposed to do. The error comes out kinda strange, because it looks like bash is missing when infact a lib bash needs is missing |
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| 16:43.29 | piroko | frankS_: Well for one, our IRC channel is much less polluted! |
| 16:43.41 | N0S3 | 0.0 my iceweasel crash when i go at!!: http://158.197.33.91/~kuscsikp/overflow/ie.html |
| 16:43.45 | stew | Polleke: in that caes, i'd think that running "strace -f /bin/bash" would tell you what is missing |
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| 16:43.59 | themill | enveezee: Tools -> Customise -> Keyboard -> Category = Edit -> Function = Delete Contents => Shortcut key = Delete -> Modify |
| 16:44.08 | themill | (damn that dialogue box is a pain) |
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| 16:44.28 | enveezee | N0S3: are you trolling? |
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| 16:44.58 | Polleke | stew, well I cant run that directly, dont have strace within the chroot. But "strace -f chroot chroot/ /bin/bash" is I think telling the same |
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| 16:45.15 | frankS_ | piroko: hehe, really? :p |
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| 16:45.19 | stew | Polleke: so why not install strace into the chhroot? |
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| 16:45.53 | stew | N0S3: try moving ~/.mozilla out of the way and disabling all plugins/extensions |
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| 16:46.55 | stew | N0S3: what version of iceweasel are you using? |
| 16:47.17 | N0S3 | stew, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; es-AR; rv:1.8.1.8) Gecko/20071004 Iceweasel/2.0.0.8 (Debian-2.0.0.8-1) |
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| 16:47.32 | Nethox | iceweasel -safe-mode for disabling extensions |
| 16:47.46 | stew | N0S3: can you try it with iceweasel --safe-mode ? |
| 16:47.58 | N0S3 | ok |
| 16:48.03 | N0S3 | stew, i try |
| 16:48.05 | N0S3 | wait |
| 16:48.06 | piroko | frankS_: Have you been to #ubuntu? ;) But on a serious note, it just depends on what you prefer. Debian assumes a little more knowledge from the user than Ubuntu does. |
| 16:48.24 | ServerSide | we must wait kde4 debian's packages for get it? |
| 16:48.36 | abrotman | ServerSide: get it where? |
| 16:48.46 | azeem | !kde3 |
| 16:48.46 | dpkg | methinks kde3 is see http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianKDE and its links before asking questions. And then you probably want to ask them in #debian-kde |
| 16:48.48 | frankS_ | piroko: okay, ive been using linux/unix in... hmmm... to long time... about 10 years |
| 16:48.48 | azeem | !kde4 |
| 16:48.49 | dpkg | from memory, kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html |
| 16:48.50 | azeem | oops |
| 16:48.53 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 16:49.03 | piroko | frankS_: You'd be happier with Debian then, more than likely |
| 16:49.11 | frankS_ | piroko: i just dont seem to know what i prefer yet |
| 16:49.29 | N0S3 | stew, its close with --safe-mode |
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| 16:49.42 | stew | N0S3: what do you mean? |
| 16:49.57 | ServerSide | azeem: this information isn't a little bit.. old? |
| 16:50.10 | stew | yeah, its out of date by a few hours |
| 16:50.14 | stew | since kde4 was released today |
| 16:50.23 | abrotman | i hate it when that happens .. intarweb is so slow |
| 16:50.28 | ServerSide | mh, no |
| 16:50.30 | ServerSide | "As you may know, KDE 4.0.0 is being released on the 11th of January |
| 16:50.30 | ServerSide | (tomorrow!). " |
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| 16:51.15 | stew | !date |
| 16:51.15 | dpkg | The current date is 2008.01.11 16:51:15 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 16:51.23 | themill | ServerSide: It's Jan 11 or Jab 12 everywhere in the world now.... |
| 16:51.24 | N0S3 | steve, The bug affects iceweasel even if I use the safe mode option |
| 16:51.27 | stew | ServerSide: it is january 11th today. it was released a few hours ago |
| 16:51.38 | Cyis | anyone know of a way to track the CPU utilization other than UCD-SNMP-MIB::systemStats ? |
| 16:51.40 | Nethox | N0S3: that's the error: The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. |
| 16:51.41 | hark | karmatronic: no, and i don't think it's still going to be in a usable state anyway :) |
| 16:51.48 | ServerSide | mh, yes lol |
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| 16:51.56 | ServerSide | i was away from computer since 2 weeks |
| 16:52.14 | Nethox | N0S3: i am going to try it with firefox 3 beta 3 pre |
| 16:52.16 | abrotman | HI CEN U INSTAL KDE4 UN SARGE 4.6214 ? |
| 16:52.17 | themill | azeem, stew, ServerSide: the kde devs still consider kde4 to be incomplete as do the debian qt/kde team, so that's probably a fair factoid still. |
| 16:52.33 | ServerSide | ohk. |
| 16:52.35 | abrotman | themill: what about kde3? :) |
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| 16:53.16 | themill | !lart abrotman |
| 16:53.17 | stew | N0S3: /msg dpkg bts |
| 16:53.26 | abrotman | themill: that was kind of weak |
| 16:53.36 | themill | !kill abrotman |
| 16:53.38 | N0S3 | don't worry, just wanted it to be known that the bug affects any way to iceweasel |
| 16:53.43 | abrotman | crush .. with a whip ? |
| 16:53.48 | themill | hmmm |
| 16:53.49 | stew | N0S3: then /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 16:53.58 | Vote | can anyone give me any guidance on the problem i asked about earlier? |
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| 16:54.16 | DragoraN | hi |
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| 16:54.29 | DragoraN | is it possible to connect from ejabberd to any irc server that user specifies? |
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| 16:54.36 | DragoraN | is there a transport for that? |
| 16:54.37 | abrotman | Vote: you could use a rescue disc .. boot the system .. then finish the install? and reinstall grub/lilo ? |
| 16:54.40 | N0S3 | stew, ok i report it |
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| 16:55.50 | azeem | themill: I didn't critize the factoid at all |
| 16:55.55 | DragoraN | please any one |
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| 16:56.36 | themill | azeem: didn't think so.... but since the comment had been made to you I thought I'd chip in ;) |
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| 16:57.28 | ericrw | hello |
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| 16:57.36 | stew | it should come up plenty often in the coming days |
| 16:58.05 | ericrw | how do I specify a debconf frontend for apt-get (on a runtime basis, not as a saved preference) |
| 16:58.22 | azeem | ericrw: set DEBIAN_FRONTEND |
| 16:58.27 | ericrw | thanks :) |
| 16:58.59 | ericrw | does that work for dpkg-reconfigure too, or do I still need to use '-f' ? |
| 16:59.23 | karmatronic | DragoraN: good question |
| 16:59.52 | DragoraN | karmatronic: thanks |
| 16:59.55 | karmatronic | DragoraN: i m gonna check it right now , actually |
| 16:59.57 | stew | ericrw: it works for dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:00.03 | ericrw | stew, awesome, thanks! |
| 17:00.08 | karmatronic | drfont: cos it might be helpful for me |
| 17:00.32 | Nethox | N0S3: that web doesn't crash firefox 3 beta3 pre, though it can crash the whole system if you don't kill firefox-bin before consuming all your ram and swap... |
| 17:01.04 | N0S3 | Nethox, ahh ok ok |
| 17:01.16 | Nethox | So I don't think you should report a bug |
| 17:01.47 | stew | it didn't crash my 2.0.0.6-0etch1+lenny1 |
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| 17:02.03 | N0S3 | Nethox, i go to try update iceweasel at 2.0.0.11-1 |
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| 17:05.28 | Nethox | This http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/ffoxdie_orig.html crashes firefox3 beta3pre |
| 17:05.39 | Nethox | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 17:06.20 | N0S3 | 0.0 |
| 17:06.54 | Nethox | http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/ffoxdie2.html and http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/ffoxdie3.html don't |
| 17:07.28 | jelly | Nethox: how is that ontopic here? |
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| 17:08.50 | N0S3 | Nethox, 0.0 , you have right |
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| 17:10.11 | Gorbulas | hello again |
| 17:10.34 | mic_p | Hi all. There is a method for set an higher value for the aptitude "timeout" for found a solution? (message are: no solution found within the allotted time) |
| 17:11.04 | Gorbulas | took forever to install Debian because I had some RAM issues and the kernel would panic as soon as more than 256MB was touched, but I got it now |
| 17:11.42 | Gorbulas | how do I configure Debian to run a script every time the DHCP address assigned to eth0 changes? |
| 17:12.22 | sepski | hook a script into the dhcp client ? |
| 17:12.40 | Gorbulas | I'm looking on Google but only finding guides on updating a locally run DNS server when another computer gets a dhcp address from the local computer |
| 17:12.50 | stew | Gorbulas: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/ |
| 17:13.07 | Gorbulas | what I'm trying to do is configure 6to4 but my ISP uses DHCP |
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| 17:13.52 | papilucio | hi, anyone knows in which package is dbus-viewer or a similar program ? |
| 17:14.03 | hoxu | Gorbulas, stew: exit hook rather, that has $old_ip_address/$new_ip_address (?) |
| 17:14.20 | sepski | papilucio, http://packages.debian.org/ knows |
| 17:14.45 | hoxu | Gorbulas, man 8 dhclient-script and section "HOOKS" |
| 17:14.59 | mic_p | Gorbulas: this is not a debian question, but a dhcpd one! Try to do something like arpwatch and do what you want one one address change! |
| 17:15.23 | \amethyst | papilucio: is dbus-monitor in package dbus what you're looking for? |
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| 17:16.49 | papilucio | sepski: I can not find dbus-viewer, ty anyway |
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| 17:17.11 | papilucio | \amethyst : I don't know, I am checking |
| 17:17.45 | john_scrotum | To the asshole's invading my privacy: Bring it on, motherfucker! My bullets are bearing your name! |
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| 17:18.14 | papilucio | \amethyst: I don't think so :( |
| 17:18.28 | Tonker2 | Is there an Add/Remove Programs utility in Debian Etch (Gnome) like there is in Ubuntu (Gnome)? |
| 17:18.40 | cahoot | cybercourage? |
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| 17:19.34 | jelly | s/(c)ou(ra)ge/\1\2p/ |
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| 17:20.58 | SamuraiDio | what whould be better on /etc/aopt/preferences? |
| 17:21.02 | SamuraiDio | this: APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
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| 17:21.06 | SamuraiDio | or this: |
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| 17:21.31 | SamuraiDio | ops.. |
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| 17:21.42 | SamuraiDio | or use pinning? |
| 17:22.17 | enouf | that is an entry to use when pinning |
| 17:22.24 | enouf | depending |
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| 17:22.52 | Tonker2 | Can someone point me in the direction of some info (or just tell me) what are the key differences between Debian and RedHat? |
| 17:23.18 | hoxu | eek |
| 17:23.29 | stew | Tonker2: debian's goal is to be 100% free software. redhat's goal is to make money |
| 17:23.30 | petemc | Tonker2: redhat costs money |
| 17:23.32 | SamuraiDio | enouf, i use pinning this way at home: Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 800 Package: * Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 700 |
| 17:23.44 | SamuraiDio | !bin |
| 17:23.44 | dpkg | hmm... bin is where you put rubbish, or your little brother/sister, or your copy of Windows 98 |
| 17:23.52 | Maulkin | Tonker2: Debian uses .deb based distributions. RedHat uses RPMs. |
| 17:24.04 | hoxu | Tonker2, debian has package management that works? :P |
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| 17:24.09 | enouf | mine's now in /etc/apt/apt.conf SamuraiDio - i forget though what the proper thing to do is though - haven't bothered with pinning in a whi;e |
| 17:24.12 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 17:24.16 | Tonker2 | Alright cool. Thanks people |
| 17:24.16 | Ace2016 | is it possible to run a bsd kernel with linux? |
| 17:24.22 | Sutor | !kde4 |
| 17:24.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html |
| 17:24.26 | Ace2016 | i see kfreebsdsource in my repo so i'm guessing i can |
| 17:24.27 | hoxu | Ace2016, your question does not make sense |
| 17:24.30 | stew | Ace2016: that doesn't make sense |
| 17:24.39 | Ace2016 | kfreebsd-source-7.0 |
| 17:24.46 | hoxu | Ace2016, unless you are speaking of virtualization, then probably yes :P |
| 17:24.49 | Ace2016 | so can i compile and use that as my kernel? |
| 17:24.51 | Maulkin | Tonker2: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions |
| 17:24.52 | psycodad | if your running a freebsd kernel, you run freebsd |
| 17:25.04 | stew | Ace2016: yes, but if you use that as your kernel instead of a linux kernel, then you aren't using linux |
| 17:25.07 | Ace2016 | no just running that instead of linux-2.6.xx just owndering what freebsd is like |
| 17:25.09 | SamuraiDio | enouf, http://pastebin.com/d66ef65c2 |
| 17:25.22 | Tonker2 | Maulkin: Sweet, thanks |
| 17:25.24 | Ace2016 | stew: so i'd be using debian bsd? |
| 17:25.32 | chops | Ace2016: It is possible to run a Debian/GNU system with a FreeBSD kernel; see http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 17:25.36 | jelly | Ace2016: no. You can't run a windows kernel instead of Linux either. |
| 17:25.44 | SamuraiDio | enouf, i learned to use pinning here, and i'he just seen that other option on a forum |
| 17:25.53 | enouf | Ace2016: see http://www.us.debian.org/ports/ bottom of page |
| 17:26.03 | Ace2016 | but the windows kernel source isn't in the repos ;), thats why i started wondering if i can |
| 17:26.06 | enouf | SamuraiDio: i see |
| 17:26.09 | chops | Ace2016: "Linux" is the kernel, so speaking of combining FreeBSD's kernel with "Linux" strictly speaking doesn't make any sense. Better to say "with Debian". |
| 17:26.36 | enouf | SamuraiDio: as i say, i don't recall the specifics, and don't want to steer you worng |
| 17:26.52 | SamuraiDio | chops, or with gnu? |
| 17:26.59 | SamuraiDio | hmm] |
| 17:27.01 | chops | SamuraiDio: Yeah, that makes sense too |
| 17:27.10 | Ace2016 | oh ok, so these kernels are compatible with eachother? so that they can run the linux kernel one second, and then just reboot and pick bsd one when you restart? |
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| 17:27.19 | chops | Ace2016: Not really |
| 17:27.58 | Ace2016 | ah ok, thats what i was trying to find out, since the kernel was in debian i thought i could just try it out and see how its drivers and stuff are |
| 17:28.00 | chops | Ace2016: It's called "Debian GNU/kFreeBSD" when people speak of it, which is not often :-) |
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| 17:28.46 | psycodad | gnu and bsd in the same word...interesting ;) |
| 17:28.51 | grendal_prime | im tryin to build a pkg from source with fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us but i keep getting this error |
| 17:28.59 | grendal_prime | dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
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| 17:29.21 | Ace2016 | make one? |
| 17:29.22 | enouf | grendal_prime: you're likely not in the build dir |
| 17:29.27 | stew | grendal_prime: is there a debian directory at all? |
| 17:29.28 | chops | grendal_prime: What directory are you in? Are you in a directory that was extracted using 'apt-get source'? |
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| 17:30.04 | grendal_prime | i was in the dir of the source i downloaded |
| 17:30.05 | Tonker2 | So Debian Lenny is pretty close to being released? |
| 17:30.11 | grendal_prime | i thought thats where i was supposed to run that |
| 17:30.24 | Ace2016 | lenny is going to be released so fast after etch? |
| 17:30.31 | Maulkin | Tonker2: No |
| 17:30.38 | grendal_prime | i didnt use apt-get source . |
| 17:30.41 | darkstego_ | having trouble with net-install, keep getting a "Bad Archive Mirror" error, anyone know how to resolve this? |
| 17:30.42 | egospun_ | i'm on x86_64 does that mean i should use i386 or ia64 arch. is the latter itanium? |
| 17:30.54 | chops | egospun_: Either use i386 or amd64 |
| 17:30.57 | grendal_prime | i downloaded the source from rh its a bug fix for vmware stuff |
| 17:30.58 | SamuraiDio | Ace2016, some apps depends on the kernel, others depends only pf some libs... all depends on your system. but i would not suggest you to use a freBSD kernel on a Debian Gnu/Linux |
| 17:31.01 | egospun_ | chops: ok |
| 17:31.03 | Nethox | SamuraiDio: if you just use testing and unstable, the first option is enough; i use pinning only when I need more than 2 repositories |
| 17:31.06 | SamuraiDio | of* |
| 17:31.11 | chops | grendal_prime: dpkg-buildpackage will not work on something you downloaded from Redhat |
| 17:31.16 | enouf | egospun_: yes, ia64 is itanium only |
| 17:31.20 | grendal_prime | bummer |
| 17:31.21 | nn64 | hi debian is ausom I didn't know a laptop with no cd rom, 22M ram 1.1G total hard disk space and 266 bogomips in speed could do so much :)!!!!!!!!!! It playing music right now |
| 17:31.28 | egospun_ | also, there's a pkg available for sid but not etch ... how can i rectify that? |
| 17:31.34 | egospun_ | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/libapache2-mod-wsgi |
| 17:31.44 | nn64 | from a web streem |
| 17:31.45 | SamuraiDio | Nethox, my doubt is that, will make diference between the two files? |
| 17:31.48 | chops | !why is libapache2-mod-wsgi not in testing |
| 17:31.48 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-wsgi is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libapache2-mod-wsgi |
| 17:31.49 | Ace2016 | 226bogomips? |
| 17:31.52 | grendal_prime | soo i need to create a control file first right |
| 17:32.09 | chops | grendal_prime: You might have better luck installing it by hand using GNU stow |
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| 17:32.26 | egospun_ | chops: etch == testing ? |
| 17:32.41 | Ace2016 | nn64: what kernel are you using? guessing you didn't compile it |
| 17:32.52 | chops | egospun_: etch == stable, lenny == testing. Sorry, I wasn't looking closely. |
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| 17:33.17 | egospun_ | so what's sid? |
| 17:33.19 | Ace2016 | etch = stable, lenny = testing sid = unstable, latest pacakges why doesn't experimental have a name too :( |
| 17:33.26 | egospun_ | ah. ok |
| 17:33.37 | egospun_ | so is this where i can "backport" or something? |
| 17:33.38 | nn64 | 2.6.18-5-486 |
| 17:33.41 | \amethyst | Ace2016: because experimental isn't really a distribution |
| 17:33.43 | Maulkin | Ace2016: BEcause experimental should never ever be used. Ever. |
| 17:34.04 | Ace2016 | i know, but sometimes i need a few debs, so i get it from tehre |
| 17:34.05 | \amethyst | egospun_: the simple sid backport instructions should work for this package (the source package is called just "mod-wsgi") |
| 17:34.06 | enouf | nn64: use the lowmem option at boot? |
| 17:34.06 | Ace2016 | there* |
| 17:34.07 | Nethox | SamuraiDio: apt will use both files, but you just need the first while using 2 releases |
| 17:34.11 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 17:34.11 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 17:34.15 | stew | Ace2016: names are given to releases. experimental isn't a release, its a partial collection of broken packages |
| 17:34.17 | Maulkin | And it's not a distribution. :) |
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| 17:34.24 | ben1597 | Ace2016, I would say that sid was an unstable character |
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| 17:34.51 | egospun_ | ok thanks |
| 17:34.53 | Ace2016 | sid is fine, but i have to check the removed and uninstalled packages very carefully when i upgrade every few days |
| 17:34.56 | enouf | though sid will never be released |
| 17:35.21 | Ace2016 | but sid has snapshot netinstall disks, which means its almost like a release |
| 17:35.22 | chops | Ace2016: Do you use aptitude or apt-get? |
| 17:35.24 | SamuraiDio | Nethox, i mean, if i use one or another, will it make diference? the pinning priority level makes diference? or just the higher one is preferred use? |
| 17:35.34 | Ace2016 | chops: synaptic |
| 17:35.46 | chops | Ace2016: Also, sid isn't "fine" -- it's fine 364 days a year, and every so often it breaks horribly needing manual intervention to fix. |
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| 17:36.10 | \amethyst | if you only break sid one day a year you aren't upgrading often enough :) |
| 17:36.16 | _KAMI_ | hello! |
| 17:36.27 | enouf | !break \amethyst |
| 17:36.53 | \amethyst | far too late for that :) |
| 17:36.56 | _KAMI_ | Please promote free softwares in Hungary: http://ooop.wiki.sourceforge.net/promote |
| 17:37.10 | \amethyst | why? |
| 17:37.15 | enouf | SamuraiDio: yeah, a higher number means higher priority ala; 500 beats 10 hands down ;-) |
| 17:37.24 | egospun_ | is adding a deb-src line for sid going to affect installing etch packages in any way? |
| 17:37.35 | \amethyst | egospun_: no, it only affects apt-get source |
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| 17:37.44 | egospun_ | ok cool |
| 17:37.45 | Ace2016 | nope, but you can get the sources to recompile with patches |
| 17:37.53 | egospun_ | sweet |
| 17:37.54 | \amethyst | egospun_: just don't add a deb line :) |
| 17:37.57 | Ace2016 | \amethyst: does it slow down the normal apt-get in any way? |
| 17:38.19 | grendal_prime | nevermind its a kernel patch anyway..im fairly certain that i cant apply a RH kernel patch to a precompiled debian kernel. |
| 17:38.30 | \amethyst | Ace2016: I suppose it takes a microsecond longer to read and parse the config file |
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| 17:38.49 | hoxu | \amethyst, and update? |
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| 17:39.02 | Ace2016 | if you are in sid can you add etch and lenny to your repos? |
| 17:39.08 | \amethyst | that's true |
| 17:39.09 | enouf | grendal_prime: curious, what's this patch do? |
| 17:39.14 | SamuraiDio | enouf, but will 500(testing)x4009unstable) be diferent from 900(testing)x10(unstable)? |
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| 17:39.22 | SamuraiDio | ops.. |
| 17:39.26 | enouf | heh |
| 17:39.28 | SamuraiDio | enouf, but will 500(testing)x400unstable) be diferent from 900(testing)x10(unstable)? |
| 17:39.31 | enouf | yes |
| 17:39.40 | Eulex | Ace2016, yes, but there's no guarantee that the packages from stable or testing will actually _work_ |
| 17:39.40 | enouf | very much so |
| 17:39.44 | \amethyst | Ace2016: you can, but there's usually no reason to |
| 17:39.50 | SamuraiDio | hmm |
| 17:39.50 | \amethyst | Ace2016: and what Eulex said |
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| 17:40.20 | enouf | man apt_preferences SamuraiDio |
| 17:40.30 | Ace2016 | oh ok, guess i'll leave it off |
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| 17:42.41 | SamuraiDio | ok |
| 17:42.53 | sooli | Hey it"s me again, infact in think sshd freeze with rssh or scponly |
| 17:43.00 | \amethyst | SamuraiDio: in particular the "How APT Interprets Priorities" section |
| 17:43.03 | sooli | anyone can confirm me ? |
| 17:43.27 | hoxu | sooli, "freeze"? |
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| 17:44.48 | SamuraiDio | chops, would a freebsd kernel and a freebsd chroot work (sharing /etc and /home)? |
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| 17:45.35 | stew | SamuraiDio: yes |
| 17:45.35 | egospun__ | here's a dumb one, but aptitude install -h didn't help. how do i install a .deb file? |
| 17:45.45 | stew | egospun__: dpkg -i |
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| 17:45.57 | egospun__ | stew: ah.. makes sense. |
| 17:46.01 | egospun__ | thanks |
| 17:46.30 | stew | egospun__: if there are dependencies that need to be fetched. run dpkg -i, which will exit with an error, and then "aptitude -f install" will fix the dependencies and finish the install |
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| 17:47.16 | egospun__ | stew: ok. i just did my first backport with libapache2-mod-wsgi. |
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| 17:47.49 | egospun__ | stew: no errors |
| 17:48.07 | GrahamA | Hey lovelly people, I'm using SSH to access my newly installed Debian Etch server, how can I run a program in the background that I can check on and will still run when I log out? |
| 17:48.15 | stew | egospun__: consider contributing your backport so other can benefit: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=contribute |
| 17:48.26 | stew | GrahamA: use screen |
| 17:48.31 | egospun__ | stew: contrib the .deb file? |
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| 17:48.44 | egospun__ | stew: or just document? |
| 17:48.46 | GrahamA | stew: That's the one! Thanks good sir. |
| 17:48.57 | chops | SamuraiDio: I would just use a separate /home filesystem in that case. I would not try to share /etc between GNU/Linux and GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 17:49.08 | stew | egospun__: the .deb .dsc and .diff.gz |
| 17:49.31 | egospun__ | stew: ok |
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| 17:50.38 | egospun__ | stew: how do i find out if someone already contributed a etch-backport for libapache2-mod-wsgi? |
| 17:50.56 | bonez44 | is there any simple way to "print to email" ? I print statements out of a program....normally sending them to my printer, occasionally to a fax driver......to fax directly..but sometimes I'd like to print directly to an email address....can this be done? |
| 17:51.14 | hoxu | bonez44, pipe to "mail"? |
| 17:51.32 | hoxu | bonez44, echo foo |mail -s subject user@domain |
| 17:52.00 | sooli | hoxu: yes i can't connect to my ssh server during 5 minutes ... my open session are freeze too ... after a while all go back |
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| 17:52.38 | bonez44 | hoxu: ok..here's the rub though..I want to send this....a report or a statement on accouint...from a program named Lytec Medical...it's a windows app...and it generally send s ps file to my printer, or works witha fax driver too.... |
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| 17:53.01 | bonez44 | hoxu: I guess I am trying to figure out how to route the print job from this particular application |
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| 17:53.22 | linkslice | i'm troubleshooting a possible intrusion, is there anything that would clear a bash history file? possibly on reboot? |
| 17:53.25 | hoxu | bonez44, does this look like ##windows? :P |
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| 17:54.14 | stew | egospun__: http://packages.debian.org/libapache2-mod-wsgi would list "etch-backports" |
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| 17:54.16 | bonez44 | hoxu: sorry, I have uttered the unspeakable.......please ... please forgive me.....I come here cause you and others here know far more than those folks in ##windows |
| 17:54.31 | chops | bonez44: Do you want to set up a printer accessible from Windows, which goes to a Debian machine and sends the email from there? |
| 17:54.42 | hoxu | linkslice, if you are speaking of ~/.bash_history, don't even dream of trusting it unless it has some special filesystem attributes set or something |
| 17:54.48 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 17:54.59 | chops | bonez44: If you want to print to email from Windows, and have Windows send the email... I'm afraid you're in the wrong place for support :-) |
| 17:55.11 | Mazingaro | how can I install Debian on Performa 6400/200 (ppc g3)? thanks |
| 17:55.23 | bonez44 | chops: yeah......but so it sounds more palatable.....it's windows running in a virtual machine..... |
| 17:55.47 | \amethyst | Mazingaro: is that old world? |
| 17:56.01 | stew | Mazingaro: download a ppc install cd and boot from it? |
| 17:56.16 | Mazingaro | stew: I got debian netinst cd |
| 17:56.16 | stew | Mazingaro: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 17:56.23 | egospun__ | stew: hrm, why is it then when i search package names my results are empty. |
| 17:56.26 | SamuraiDio | is there a way to install this: http://pastebin.com/d7ef4b3c1? or how can i make a X11 icon theme? |
| 17:56.42 | stew | egospun__: where are you searching? |
| 17:56.52 | linkslice | hoxu, yeah i kno, i'm trying to figure out if i'm troubleshooting an intrusion or not, because a users, and root's history file have been cleared |
| 17:57.13 | egospun__ | stew: oh, nevermind. |
| 17:57.14 | Mazingaro | stew: thanks |
| 17:57.33 | hoxu | linkslice, not sure, but I'd guess they have been cleared explicitly by the user |
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| 17:58.03 | egospun__ | stew: so is backports.org officially part of debian? I know that's kind of a loaded question. |
| 17:58.19 | egospun__ | stew: i just get worried adding deb lines to my sources.list. |
| 17:58.20 | hoxu | linkslice, also, if you are suspecting an intrusion, always assume the worst, that is, consider the system completely compromised and in need of a prompt shutdown, offline forensics and clean reinstall |
| 17:58.40 | stew | egospun__: backports.org is not officially part of debian |
| 17:59.06 | hoxu | linkslice, "forensics" as in don't inspect a running system, do it from a livecd or whatever you have at hand |
| 17:59.21 | chops | egospun__: backports.org is trustworthy, if that's what you mean. It's not officially part of Debian. It may cause some difficulties when you upgrade to the next stable release if you have many (or low-level) backports installed. |
| 17:59.41 | egospun__ | chops: ok |
| 18:00.03 | stew | chops: what kind of difficulties? |
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| 18:00.17 | grendal_prime | pin it to..dont update your entire os with it |
| 18:00.18 | chops | egospun__: That said, if you need a backport, backports.org is going to be a lot less problematic than installing by hand, or upgrading to testing, or compiling by hand, or whatever other easy alternative you might come up with :-) |
| 18:00.44 | egospun__ | i see |
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| 18:01.22 | chops | stew: Problems during upgrade if something low-level is upgraded to a backport, lack of stable security updates for the backported package, less testing given (so more chance of breakage than with a stable package) |
| 18:01.36 | chops | egospun__: All that said, I've run several backports on stable systems and never had a problem |
| 18:01.36 | egospun__ | just might doing a port right now might be out of my league. |
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| 18:01.59 | chops | egospun__: backports.org will be less problematic than doing one for yourself by hand, almost guaranteed |
| 18:02.20 | \amethyst | in this case it wasn't in bpo |
| 18:02.27 | chops | \amethyst: Oh |
| 18:02.30 | \amethyst | and all the build-dependencies were satisfied in etch |
| 18:02.43 | stew | chops: what kind of problems might he have upgrading if something low-level is upgraded to a backport? |
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| 18:05.05 | chops | stew: Something that happens somewhere during the etch->lenny upgrade might depend on behavior that changes in a newer, backported version of (e.g.) perl or dpkg, without an explicit dependency because no one noticed the requirement. It's certainly possible. |
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| 18:05.54 | Gorbulas | my interfaces aren't grabbing link local ipv6 addresses. I always thought that was the default behavior to grab one… |
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| 18:06.47 | linkslice | hoxu, i actually suspect user issue, but the client suspects hackery |
| 18:06.50 | linkslice | ;) |
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| 18:07.11 | chops | linkslice: Is the machine up-to-date on security updates (and has it been kept up-to-date consistently)? |
| 18:07.15 | stew | seems like upgrades from one testing version to another are likely to be well tested |
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| 18:08.32 | hoxu | linkslice, well, bash history is cleared by calling "history -c", afaics, it does not clear by itself |
| 18:08.35 | stew | linkslice: some things to check are last, debsums, /var/spool/cron/crontabs/, look for unknown entries in /etc/passwd |
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| 18:09.26 | hoxu | linkslice, just my previous advice in mind if you value the server (if the client pays well) |
| 18:09.31 | hoxu | *keep |
| 18:10.12 | chops | stew: Yes, but stable->stable upgrades are different. Sometimes there are really bizarre problems (e.g. the woody->sarge perl problem, http://osdir.com/ml/linux.debian.devel.perl/2004-11/msg00028.html I think); I could easily see one of those bizarre problems being present if you have a backport but absent if you are going straight from oldstable->stable. Of course, it is a bit unlikely. |
| 18:12.40 | linkslice | hoxu, ah yes thanks for the tips, I will check those right away (and yes they do pay well) ;) |
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| 18:13.47 | linkslice | er and stew |
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| 18:15.37 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 18:16.07 | Gorbulas | why wouldn't an interface get a link local IPv6 address? /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/autoconf is set to 1 |
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| 18:18.15 | Szeraax | what are some really good wireless managers? I hate kwifimanager. |
| 18:18.29 | Szeraax | (yes, i currently use console for everything) |
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| 18:19.15 | cahoot | wpa_supplicant? |
| 18:19.15 | Eulex | iwconfig and iwlist |
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| 18:19.30 | Szeraax | Eulex: yes, those are what i use |
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| 18:19.39 | Szeraax | cahoot: no, i am not using wpa wirelesses |
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| 18:20.01 | kaffien | so i recently installed a base install of debian, im from gentoo. I have no emerge anymore. What should i be using? apt-get? |
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| 18:20.18 | Szeraax | or aptitude |
| 18:20.32 | stew | kaffien: aptitude |
| 18:20.33 | kaffien | aptitude install package ? |
| 18:20.38 | stew | kaffien: yes |
| 18:20.42 | kaffien | oky doke |
| 18:20.49 | Szeraax | or sudo aptitudre |
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| 18:20.54 | Szeraax | aptitude. it is interactive |
| 18:21.00 | Zaerath | Does anyone here know of a text-based torrenting program? |
| 18:21.00 | kaffien | this is pretty interesting, im installing debian off a usb key onto a eeepc |
| 18:21.10 | Szeraax | kaffien: nice |
| 18:21.24 | Szeraax | Zaerath: i'm sure there are them... |
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| 18:22.18 | kaffien | I cant believe how easy it was to image a usb drive lol, much much faster than a cdrom |
| 18:22.26 | Zaerath | Szeraax: But do you know of any? |
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| 18:22.50 | Szeraax | Zaerath: looking around in aptitude atm... |
| 18:23.14 | hoxu | Zaerath, btdownloadcurses |
| 18:23.15 | Szeraax | perhaps bittorrent |
| 18:23.26 | Szeraax | or what hoxu said |
| 18:23.54 | Zaerath | hoxu: Ty. |
| 18:24.08 | Szeraax | both should work |
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| 18:24.45 | RodolfoRG | hello... |
| 18:24.46 | RodolfoRG | is there any cofiguration file that is called everytime an user logs on (by an session manager like gdm) ? I need to set some environments vars for me. |
| 18:25.21 | stew | RodolfoRG: http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
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| 18:25.32 | RodolfoRG | stew: thanks |
| 18:25.49 | Ax-Ax | how do i use find to search for all images? |
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| 18:26.20 | Szeraax | in the file type, do (.bmp|.png|...) |
| 18:26.25 | Szeraax | i believe |
| 18:26.47 | stew | "in the file type"? |
| 18:26.54 | stew | Ax-Ax: what do you mean by 'images'? |
| 18:27.05 | Ax-Ax | jpgs |
| 18:27.08 | Szeraax | doing find, you fcan choose file type |
| 18:27.12 | hoxu | Ax-Ax, find -name '*.jpg' |
| 18:27.17 | Ax-Ax | ok |
| 18:27.29 | Szeraax | hoxu: but i think he wants more than just one kind of file type |
| 18:27.33 | Szeraax | well, i dunno |
| 18:27.40 | Szeraax | Ax-Ax: you want more than just jpgs? |
| 18:27.43 | stew | Szeraax: you can? how do you specify file type? |
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| 18:28.17 | Szeraax | (*.jpg|*.bmp|*...) |
| 18:28.36 | Szeraax | er, 'find -name (*...)' |
| 18:28.45 | Szeraax | yes? |
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| 18:29.21 | stew | Szeraax: that is a file name not a file type. and no, that doesn't work |
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| 18:29.36 | Szeraax | did you put ' around the ()? |
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| 18:29.45 | Szeraax | '(*.bmp)' |
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| 18:29.57 | stew | Szeraax: no i didn't, it wouldn't make a difference |
| 18:30.08 | Szeraax | it just did for me |
| 18:30.24 | Szeraax | i think... |
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| 18:31.33 | Szeraax | hmm, i am way off... |
| 18:31.46 | Szeraax | time to go do some actual testing... |
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| 18:34.00 | maher | i can see a printer from another machine in lpstat -t, but it doesn't show up in http://localhost:631 - how can i find out whether browsing is working or not? |
| 18:34.09 | hoxu | I know what stew does on his spare time - roams around in debian boxes of novices renaming random file types into .jpg's :P |
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| 18:38.25 | hoxu | !qotd0 |
| 18:38.25 | dpkg | [qotd78] <BiZARRE> why cant I type my password when I try to login? <Phated> BiZARRE: Your password isn't echoed to the console. <BiZARRE> what? <BiZARRE> well, how do I type in the password? <Seb> BiZARRE: you hit the keys one by one <BiZARRE> nothing happens when I hit the keys <paulswm> UNtil you hit 'enter' <BiZARRE> the only key working is enter <BiZARRE> ok |
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| 18:40.00 | Szeraax | anyone know how to change the form color in iceweasel using kde4? |
| 18:40.52 | abrotman | is this an HTML/kde/iceweasel question ? |
| 18:41.09 | Szeraax | yeah... i guess so... |
| 18:41.13 | Szeraax | more kde4 though |
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| 18:44.25 | wald0 | how i can access to my web server (local machine) from a chroot environment ? |
| 18:45.12 | chops | wald0: Are you in the chroot and want to access the outside environment, or vice versa? |
| 18:45.13 | Eulex | just access it? |
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| 18:45.25 | stew | wald0: with a web browser? |
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| 18:46.04 | screamingbytes | anyone here use savanah |
| 18:46.12 | RodolfoRG | stew: well, it doesn't work... on graphical logons |
| 18:46.21 | stew | RodolfoRG: what is 'it'? |
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| 18:46.25 | wald0 | chops: im in the chroot and want to access the outside |
| 18:46.35 | stew | wald0: access how? |
| 18:46.37 | chops | wald0: That's not supposed to be possible :-) |
| 18:46.41 | wald0 | stew: in reality i want to use my local repository from the chroot |
| 18:46.54 | RodolfoRG | stew: .profile, nor .bashrc (as I supposed)... to setup environment variables |
| 18:47.02 | stew | wald0: you mean you want the chroot to be able to edit files that are outside the chroot? |
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| 18:47.26 | wald0 | stew: no, just access to the repository, like here "deb file://..." |
| 18:47.29 | chops | wald0: You can use mount --bind to remount a section of the outside-the-chroot system inside the chroot |
| 18:47.32 | stew | wald0: --bind mount a directory from outside the chroot to a directory inside the chroot |
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| 18:48.10 | wald0 | ok |
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| 18:48.57 | theroue | I have partially installed,unconfigured packages that I'm trying to fix with APT/aptitude |
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| 18:49.10 | wald0 | mount --bind -o ro is accepted ? (ro) |
| 18:49.27 | theroue | libpango1.0-0 is apparently causing a bunch of other packages to be not fully configured |
| 18:49.37 | stew | theroue: dpkg --configure -a && aptitude -f install |
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| 18:50.22 | theroue | stew that gave me a lot of errors |
| 18:50.31 | theroue | And I don't think it did anything right. |
| 18:50.58 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:50.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:51.01 | stew | theroue: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:51.09 | theroue | I'm pasting |
| 18:51.25 | theroue | http://pastebin.ca/851123 |
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| 18:54.00 | RodolfoRG | ok, then... only root can setup environment vars at my logon domain :P |
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| 18:54.35 | stew | RodolfoRG: what makes you say that they aren't working? |
| 18:54.49 | RodolfoRG | cause I've tested it |
| 18:54.50 | theroue | stew, abrotman: Any idea about my paste? |
| 18:55.30 | RodolfoRG | stew: only on /etc/environment takes effect |
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| 18:55.45 | stew | theroue: E: Please run defoma-reconfigure -f to fix its broken status. |
| 18:55.45 | abrotman | theroue: are you currently in X ? |
| 18:55.49 | stew | theroue: did you try running that? |
| 18:56.10 | stew | RodolfoRG: do you need to set something for all users or just one user? |
| 18:56.16 | abrotman | aw .. stew has such elegant suggestions .. i was just going to beat it into submission :) |
| 18:56.21 | theroue | abrotman: Yes I am |
| 18:56.50 | RodolfoRG | stew: just for me... for all users i'd use /etc/environment ;) |
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| 18:57.36 | stew | RodolfoRG: you should be able to use .xsession or .xinitrc |
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| 18:58.45 | RodolfoRG | stew: those files would be called if i login through GDM or just if I do startx or both? |
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| 18:59.09 | stew | RodolfoRG: .xinitrc for startx, .xsession for both |
| 18:59.38 | RodolfoRG | stew: ok, i'll try it now. thanks again |
| 18:59.39 | stew | RodolfoRG: though i don't know specifically about gdm, you might need to then be choosing "default session" or something when you login, i don't remember |
| 19:00.06 | RodolfoRG | stew: ok |
| 19:00.53 | stew | RodolfoRG: Xsession(5) also mentions a .gnomerc |
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| 19:03.40 | theroue | stew: Oh wow that got rid of almost every error! Only acpi errors remian |
| 19:03.47 | theroue | stew: http://pastebin.ca/851140 |
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| 19:04.21 | stew | theroue: run "bash -x /etc/init.d/acpid start" and show us the output. that should tell us why the init script is failing |
| 19:04.38 | stew | theroue: or, just try "/etc/init.d/acpid stop" first and see if that makes start work (as a guess) |
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| 19:05.35 | pablo | hi, why are gnuzilla icecat and iceweasel are separate projects? |
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| 19:07.19 | Qwell | Is there still a sparc specific debian channel? I guess I could read the channel FAQ.. |
| 19:07.44 | stew | Qwell: #debian-sparc on irc.debian.org |
| 19:08.01 | theroue | stew: http://pastebin.ca/851145 |
| 19:08.07 | Qwell | ahh...thanks |
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| 19:10.46 | GhostlyDeath | How can I raise my mouse sensitivity even higher? |
| 19:10.56 | GhostlyDeath | High is too slow for me |
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| 19:11.21 | stew | looks like i guessed right |
| 19:11.27 | stew | theroue: look at #447339 |
| 19:11.51 | stew | GhostlyDeath: with xset |
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| 19:13.06 | pablo | hi, why gnuzilla icecat and iceweasel are separate projects? |
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| 19:14.32 | Zeier | Hi there. I just wanted to ask when you expect kde4 to be in debian sid. This is not "you have to know when exactly" or "I MUSt have this" this is just "I'd like to know what time it takes between official release and integration into sid". |
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| 19:14.50 | GhostlyDeath | What's the highest allowed? 10000 threshhold is too slow |
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| 19:15.06 | Eulex | Zeier, it's already in experimental, but it won't be in lenny |
| 19:15.30 | abrotman | well .. not planned to be in lenny |
| 19:15.41 | GhostlyDeath | stew: after using xset, the mouse speed does not change |
| 19:15.54 | abrotman | give it more cheese! |
| 19:16.11 | Zeier | Eulex: using sid on my all-day work-laptop (student) makes me hesitating using experimental... sid is unstable enough - sometimes. |
| 19:16.13 | stew | pablo: when the debian iceweasel effort was started, the gnu iceweasel project was only using a 1.5 version of firefox. also, the gnu project is more than just a thin name change like debian's iceweasel, they are changing more fundamental things about the browser |
| 19:16.28 | abrotman | and the gnu project changed names |
| 19:16.35 | Eulex | Zeier, right, I didn't tell you to use unstable |
| 19:16.47 | Zeier | this was my choice ;) |
| 19:16.48 | GhostlyDeath | "steven@stevendesktop:~$ xset m 0 10000" has no effect |
| 19:16.51 | Eulex | emh |
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| 19:16.56 | Eulex | *use experimental |
| 19:17.00 | Zeier | hehe |
| 19:17.06 | theroue | stew: Thank you so much!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:17.29 | pablo | stew: why dont they put effort together? |
| 19:18.17 | Zeier | Eulex (still, just because I'm curious, not requesting anything): Is there a fixed period of time for a apcket changing from exp. to sid? Or is it "when it's done"? |
| 19:18.24 | pablo | i mean why icecat burningdog and iceweasel doesnt join |
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| 19:18.39 | stew | pablo: probably because they have different goals. its desirable to for debian to provide a browser as close to firefox as possible. |
| 19:18.46 | stew | pablo: but you should ask the developers, not us |
| 19:19.08 | Eulex | Zeier, it's when the devs decide so. they never automatically go from experimental to sid |
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| 19:20.03 | grendal_prime | im trying to rsync a hug-o fkn-o file-o (spanish version) it keeps timing out though. im running it very verbose but it literally just stops outputting infomation to the screen. Does rsync typically have a problem doing incremental syncs of large files? (1.8 gigs) |
| 19:20.28 | pablo | stew: ok |
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| 19:21.06 | Zeier | Hmm, this is a reask, but seriously, when do you expect KDE4 to be in sid? If you don't know this doesn't matter, but since I'm not that familiar with the debian release system I just would like to have a glue. 1 month, 3 month, 1 year... |
| 19:21.19 | Zeier | s/glue/clue |
| 19:21.56 | Zeier | I am asking this because I don't have any experience with big changes. the last was KDE3.5 |
| 19:22.03 | Zeier | (for me) |
| 19:22.06 | Zeier | and the first... |
| 19:22.48 | theroue | I'm trying to install KDE4 from experimental currently...but it appears to be bogged down by dependency hell. I can't even select one single KDE4 package for installation due to complaints that other packages won't be installed. |
| 19:23.01 | theroue | The other packages are clearly available,too. |
| 19:23.16 | theroue | I don't understand why APT doesn't just mark them for installation instead of simply failing. |
| 19:23.17 | stew | Zeier: months or year(s) |
| 19:23.23 | stew | Zeier: the plan is to release lenny with 3.5 |
| 19:23.50 | Zeier | okay, I think next Christmas I'm gonna use it ;) |
| 19:24.07 | enouf | "I'm trying to install KDE4 from experimental currently." </me uploads to bash.org> |
| 19:24.57 | theroue | Why is that bash.org worthy? |
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| 19:25.16 | karsten | If I'm seeing disk errors and have sectors reported by smartctl, is there any way to see what data are affected (directories, files)? |
| 19:25.22 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.29 | karsten | .. is the relevant smartctl output. |
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| 19:26.09 | Zeier | I know, nobody really needs those 3D Desktop enhancements like compiz-fusion and so on, but half a year ago everyone could read that kwin in kde4 would get those things. Now I cannot find anything about this topic. I do not need this, just wondering... |
| 19:26.27 | wald0 | stew: is not possible to mount --bind in read-only mode ? |
| 19:26.36 | stew | wald0: i don't know |
| 19:27.10 | stew | wald0: should be easy to test |
| 19:27.34 | maher | wald0: you can't have ro in one place and rw in another - kernel misfeature |
| 19:27.39 | wald0 | stew: i have test it, this is why i say that, and in the man don't says anything about that point |
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| 19:28.04 | chops | wald0: You've tested for yourself, but you're asking on IRC because you trust that over your own experience? :-) |
| 19:28.04 | wald0 | maher: and there's no way to bind a directory to a chroot without permission to write on it ? |
| 19:28.17 | wald0 | chops: no, i search a solution for this |
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| 19:28.53 | chops | wald0: That's a slightly different question, then. You might be able to do it with standard filesystem permissions (maybe with UID games in /etc/passwd) if no one in the chroot is going to have root |
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| 19:29.23 | chops | wald0: If someone in the chroot is going to have root, you're stuffed anyway as far as security goes (chroot is not really designed for security, although it can be used effectively as one component of a more-secure setup). |
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| 19:30.08 | chops | wald0: By "UID games in /etc/passwd" I mean having the UIDs not match up between /etc/passwd in the chroot and /etc/passwd in the main system. Careful; here there be dragons. |
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| 19:30.52 | theroue | Zeier: You might be interested in this link regarding KDE4: http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3861 |
| 19:30.56 | RodolfoRG | stew: hello again... i tried, and tried.... |
| 19:31.11 | wald0 | mmh |
| 19:31.22 | RodolfoRG | stew: and I found out the .xsessions is actually called. |
| 19:31.44 | RodolfoRG | stew: but export MYVAR=something doesn't work |
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| 19:33.17 | snowbird | if i take old hd out of amd pc |
| 19:33.32 | snowbird | putit into bought ibm would i have troubles |
| 19:34.15 | Zeier | theroue: thank you |
| 19:34.41 | snowbird | stew |
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| 19:36.49 | snowbird | any done a swap from amd to intell? |
| 19:36.54 | LimCore | if I have only plain xorg and icewm, how to make it so that monitor will go standbay after 10 minutes? |
| 19:37.12 | chops | snowbird: With the possible exception of changing kernels, it should just work |
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| 19:37.39 | snowbird | ok chops u can change kernal on panic right |
| 19:37.49 | chops | snowbird: ? |
| 19:38.08 | snowbird | on new hardware u get a kernal panaic and then u would change there? |
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| 19:38.39 | chops | snowbird: Or before. Your choice :-) |
| 19:38.42 | telexicon | I have a system with a partially failed RAID5 array, is there a way I can have dd make a raw image of the device but skip the blocks when it has an I/O error? |
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| 19:39.11 | snowbird | have to aveter cause amd is no boot |
| 19:39.15 | chops | snowbird: You may have to boot from a rescue disk in order to switch kernels, since it sounds like you can't boot into the system to change kernels at this point (or move back to the old hardware to install the new kernel) |
| 19:39.24 | chops | snowbird: nod |
| 19:39.42 | snowbird | chops after i get a new intell ib il let u know |
| 19:39.46 | RodolfoRG | it's not a debian question, I know. |
| 19:39.51 | stew | RodolfoRG: i don't know. it works for me |
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| 19:40.08 | snowbird | what happens on rescue u insert debian one cd and go from promts |
| 19:40.21 | deepak | can anyone help me how to configure XDSL connection in debian |
| 19:40.27 | RodolfoRG | but what's the difference between "sh myscript" and ". myscript" |
| 19:40.29 | RodolfoRG | ? |
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| 19:40.58 | chops | RodolfoRG: . runs the commands one by one in the current bash process, sh starts a new bash process which runs them all and then exits |
| 19:41.22 | RodolfoRG | chops: many thanks |
| 19:41.56 | snowbird | thanks chops |
| 19:41.58 | AnkeSchwarzer | Hi. Is it possible to make a Debian USBstick Install like DamnSmallLinux ? |
| 19:42.03 | psycodad | how can i check as user what limits pam resp. /etc/security/limits.conf impose on this user ? |
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| 19:44.08 | Gm4n | I think my debian server got hacked, but chkrootkit won't install. what should I do? |
| 19:44.21 | chops | Gm4n: Why do you think your server got hacked? |
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| 19:44.44 | DustyDingo | Gm4n: what is the reason, why you can't install chkrootkit? |
| 19:44.58 | AnkeSchwarzer | Well I have a 40GB USB HDD and would like to make a Debian Install to it, with which i can boot on any machine that has BOOT from FDD option... is it possible ? |
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| 19:45.04 | Gm4n | ssh daemon stopped running, and I see logins from romania (I live in USA) |
| 19:45.21 | chops | Gm4n: That's a good reason to think your server got hacked :-) |
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| 19:45.24 | Gm4n | it won't install because of unmet dependencies: |
| 19:45.27 | chops | Gm4n: Unless you have users in Romania |
| 19:45.37 | Kevin` | AnkeSchwarzer if the bios supports usb yes. |
| 19:45.43 | chops | Gm4n: I would recommend reinstalling a fresh system and migrating the data over |
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| 19:45.47 | DustyDingo | Gm4n: tho that sounds a bit clumsy, i wouldn't trust that system at all |
| 19:45.57 | Kevin` | AnkeSchwarzer google has a complete howto for debian on a usb hard drive |
| 19:45.59 | DustyDingo | so the only solution is a complete new setup |
| 19:46.05 | monra | Hello, What program should I install in order to open .rar files? |
| 19:46.12 | Gm4n | the thing is, I have a pretty fancy vpn setup on this server |
| 19:46.12 | chops | monra: unrar is a good one |
| 19:46.17 | RodolfoRG | stew: well, I write the .xsession script, loged off and, at gdm, logged in... and nothing =/ |
| 19:46.18 | Gm4n | that I'm not sure I could replicate in the time I have |
| 19:46.19 | AnkeSchwarzer | Kevin`: Merci ;) |
| 19:46.23 | Gm4n | so I need to clean out the system |
| 19:46.25 | chops | Gm4n: You can grab all the config files and migrate them over |
| 19:46.38 | Gm4n | I suppose |
| 19:46.39 | monra | chops: what is the package name. |
| 19:46.49 | chops | Gm4n: It's not possible in general to "clean out" a system once it's been hacked; there are just too many ways the system can be hacked once it's broken into |
| 19:46.51 | chops | monra: unrar |
| 19:47.07 | DustyDingo | Gm4n: you simply can't clean it out |
| 19:47.09 | Gm4n | chops, with that logic, windows would be reinstalled daily :P |
| 19:47.24 | DustyDingo | i mean you can try, but you never know if it worked ;) |
| 19:47.36 | chops | Gm4n: Somewhere in the world... it is :-) |
| 19:47.39 | monra | chops: i see unrar has no installation candidate |
| 19:47.46 | chops | monra: Do you have non-free sources? |
| 19:47.55 | monra | chops: nope |
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| 19:48.02 | Gm4n | anyway, when I try and apt-get install chkrootkit, I get "libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 is to be installed" |
| 19:48.06 | chops | monra: There's your problem, then :-). You can also try unrar-free, but I've never used it. |
| 19:48.19 | chops | Gm4n: You haven't been keeping up with your security updates then |
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| 19:48.27 | Gm4n | guess not |
| 19:48.32 | chops | Gm4n: You could do aptitude update; aptitude upgrade... but it's a little late for that |
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| 19:48.40 | monra | chops: will try the fre |
| 19:48.41 | monra | free* |
| 19:48.50 | chops | Gm4n: After you do that you can install chkrootkit, but you really should reinstall |
| 19:48.54 | |HellTiger| | hallo |
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| 19:49.05 | Gm4n | oh, I'm also gettting lots of "eth0: Promiscues mode enabled" |
| 19:49.13 | Gm4n | how do I put eth0 back the way it should be? :P |
| 19:49.13 | chops | Gm4n: Welcome to getting hacked :-) |
| 19:49.17 | chops | Gm4n: You reinstall |
| 19:49.20 | Gm4n | :P |
| 19:49.26 | Gm4n | isn't there an ifconfig way to do it? |
| 19:49.30 | Gm4n | (just for now) |
| 19:49.33 | chops | Gm4n: Sorry. There really isn't a better answer. |
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| 19:49.53 | maher | Gm4n: resinstall - your machine is just going to be used to harass other people on the net |
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| 19:50.08 | chops | Gm4n: The ifconfig way to do it is ifconfig eth0 -promisc |
| 19:50.13 | Gm4n | ahh, ok |
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| 19:50.20 | Gm4n | well, I'll reinstall asap :P |
| 19:50.22 | DustyDingo | Gm4n: if you find a well known rootkit, that doesn't mean that its the only malicious alternation of your system |
| 19:50.25 | chops | Gm4n: Your interface will _not_ stay non-promiscuous. |
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| 19:50.36 | Gm4n | I think they hacked incorrectly, though |
| 19:50.37 | Kevin` | even without promisc the user watching your data will still see all data |
| 19:50.44 | Gm4n | (I think I was rebooting the system halfway through) |
| 19:50.50 | Kevin` | *traffic |
| 19:50.57 | chops | Gm4n: They certainly don't seem to be having any trouble |
| 19:51.00 | LimCore | how to execute "dpms 10 20 30" on each Xorg start for given display? |
| 19:51.14 | chops | Gm4n: Given that they're logging in and watching your network traffic. Reinstall. |
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| 19:51.55 | Kevin` | Gm4n shut down the system hard, make a copy of it for forensic purposes to find what was compromised, reinstall and learn from mistakes |
| 19:51.56 | chops | LimCore: Edit .xinitrc or .xsession (depending on whether you start using startx or xdm/gdm/kdm) |
| 19:52.34 | Gm4n | alrighty |
| 19:52.39 | Gm4n | but I don't know the first thing about forensics |
| 19:52.59 | Gm4n | (you guys were right, promisc won't turn off for more than a few seconds) |
| 19:52.59 | chops | Gm4n: You don't have to do the forensics if you don't want to -- just set up the new system and move on. |
| 19:53.08 | Gm4n | I also get segfaults on startup and poweroff |
| 19:53.09 | DustyDingo | Gm4n: running tools like chkrootkit from an trusted system would be a first step |
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| 19:53.17 | Gm4n | fair enough |
| 19:53.21 | chops | Gm4n: All it will tell you if you analyze the old system is, "Crap, I should have kept up with security updates" :-) |
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| 19:53.31 | Gm4n | yeah, hard to do sometimes |
| 19:53.38 | chops | Gm4n: nod |
| 19:53.40 | Gm4n | I need to write a cron script to do 'em automatically |
| 19:53.47 | Gm4n | otherwise I have too many servers to keep up with |
| 19:53.55 | stew | Gm4n: that is not recommended |
| 19:54.01 | chops | Gm4n: How many servers? |
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| 19:54.11 | LimCore | chops: just startx, so which? |
| 19:54.13 | chops | Gm4n: Do you have time to reinstall them when they get hacked, then? :-) |
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| 19:54.16 | snowbird | stew is hp dell or intell good for debian |
| 19:54.17 | chops | LimCore: .xinitrc |
| 19:54.20 | Gm4n | 5+, but they're sorta scattered around, and I'm a student :P |
| 19:54.23 | LimCore | thx |
| 19:54.51 | stew | snowbird: what do you mean? |
| 19:54.52 | Gm4n | fair point, chops :P |
| 19:55.06 | snowbird | stew i think to go hp or ibm tower used rather than build |
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| 19:55.21 | chops | Gm4n: I have 5 in 3 physical locations on 2 coasts, and a full-time job... it's not hard if you just accept that you need to spend a few minutes every week doing it. Subscribe to debian-security-announce; that helps a lot. |
| 19:55.26 | abrotman | for a server or workstation? |
| 19:55.56 | DustyDingo | *updates server* |
| 19:55.57 | Kevin` | remember the problem with his server could be an app he installed from outside the debian repositories, or misconfiguration |
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| 19:56.02 | Kevin` | best to find it :) |
| 19:56.18 | LimCore | did anyone set up a server (like, apache) in QEMU? the host os should forward port 8888 to qemu. How to do it? qemu network user or tap? |
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| 19:56.29 | Gm4n | thanks, chops :) |
| 19:56.36 | chops | Gm4n: np. Good luck. |
| 19:56.46 | snowbird | stew are you folowing? |
| 19:56.52 | Kevin` | LimCore for user mode qemu itself does the forwarding, look at the documentation. for tap, use iptables |
| 19:56.59 | Gm4n | thanks :) |
| 19:57.09 | Gm4n | what config files should I keep for my vpn setup? |
| 19:57.24 | LimCore | Kevin`: but in user mode, can quemu act like a server (have server in it)? I read several docs but still its not fully clean |
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| 19:57.59 | Kevin` | LimCore yes it can. there's a port forwarding option that has the qemu process listen on a port and forward to the vm |
| 19:58.21 | LimCore | port forwarding option in qemu? /me re-reads man |
| 19:58.22 | chops | Gm4n: Is it openvpn? |
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| 19:58.40 | stew | snowbird: not really |
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| 19:58.52 | stew | snowbird: are you asking me to make a recommendataion of a hp tower or a ibm tower? |
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| 19:59.10 | stew | snowbird: are you asking which of the three companies (hp,ibm,intel) does better things for ibm? |
| 19:59.23 | Kevin` | LimCore -redir |
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| 20:00.27 | LimCore | Kevin`: yeah just found it. this option was clevery hidden below -smb below other net options :P |
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| 20:02.00 | kingsley | A problematic video tutorial is available in several formats. My mplayer doesn't work with the .ogg format. Should I try xvid, 770 or mp4? |
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| 20:03.26 | snowbird | stew asking if what one is easiet to set up |
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| 20:03.27 | dutchfish | !tell kingsly about ogg |
| 20:04.06 | stew | snowbird: "hp" or "ibm" is nowhere near enough information |
| 20:05.00 | snowbird | stew u want exact model number eh ok |
| 20:05.13 | theroue | kingsley: Ogg is not a format,it's a container. The Xiph.org project provides freely licensed patent-free audio and video formats which utilise the Ogg container,but said formats aren't necessarily what is inside the Ogg file you have. |
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| 20:05.40 | snowbird | stew il get u a dell model hold on |
| 20:06.03 | Seven_Six_Two | kingsley, vorbis and theora are commonly put into ogg |
| 20:06.29 | stew | snowbird: what is important to know is what the actual hardware is |
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| 20:07.46 | snowbird | ok |
| 20:07.56 | snowbird | stew i should look for ? |
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| 20:08.01 | kingsley | theroue & Seven_Six_Two : The "file" command says the .ogg file contains Theora. |
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| 20:08.20 | dutchfish | snowbird, are you looking for a server or desktop setup? |
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| 20:08.31 | snowbird | desktop set up |
| 20:08.54 | snowbird | dutchfish, had old amd power spike killed |
| 20:08.55 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:09.07 | snowbird | need new box looking at used dells |
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| 20:09.28 | theroue | kingsley: Theora is a video format that is freely licensed and patent-free,and it is part of the Xiph.org project much like the Ogg container and the Vorbis audio format. |
| 20:10.03 | theroue | kingsley: There are numerous applications which can play back both Vorbis formatted audio and Theora formatted video on any major desktop operating system. |
| 20:10.26 | theroue | kingsley: My personal favorite is VLC which is a GPLed media player available on GNU+Linux,Mac OS X, and Windows. |
| 20:10.44 | dutchfish | snowbird, atm, noone fully supports debian, that doesnt mean it cant, so far dell is ubuntefying allot of there desktops, that means debian should run fine on them, you should consult the hardware list with details, i have not to bad findings myself with both compagnies if support is needed .... |
| 20:11.33 | snowbird | il do some resurch have to do a kernal panic patch repair |
| 20:11.54 | snowbird | i think il go dell there towers vrs desk tops |
| 20:12.02 | snowbird | towers easy to work on. |
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| 20:12.39 | dutchfish | snowbird, most of the time its not the kernel that barks, but drivers like video and new busses |
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| 20:13.33 | dutchfish | snowbird, if you dont walk on the "very new" edge, you wil be fine |
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| 20:14.01 | snowbird | looking at old 1.8 -2 gig old thing |
| 20:14.17 | Seven_Six_Two | if you're confident enough, you could easily build a system with parts that are known to be compatible |
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| 20:14.37 | stew | snowbird: perhaps you would get better help if you found a channel in your native language. what is your native language? |
| 20:14.45 | snowbird | yes steven i could do that have done that |
| 20:14.57 | kingsley | theroue: Thanks for suggesting vlc. I'm happy to report that it pays the Theora content that mplayer would not. |
| 20:15.02 | snowbird | stew can eng |
| 20:15.12 | stew | oh god. now i remember who snowbird is |
| 20:15.22 | stew | snowbird: i'm unable to help you. please stop hilighting me |
| 20:15.23 | LimCore | I can has var |
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| 20:15.30 | theroue | kingsley: No problem ;-] You can use VLC on any platform as well,so you can recommend it to others who might not necessarilly use Debian. |
| 20:15.36 | LimCore | kingsley: mpalyer fails to play theora? |
| 20:15.37 | kingsley | e |
| 20:15.50 | theroue | Although MPlayer should also play it. |
| 20:15.51 | kingsley | Oops, wrong window. |
| 20:15.51 | snowbird | ok stew |
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| 20:16.02 | resiak | stew: |
| 20:16.09 | LimCore | I thought mplayer plays everything ;) |
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| 20:17.30 | kingsley | LimCore: At least in one case, yes. Try http://www.archive.org/download/AaronNewcombEpisode1-_TheFilesystemMenace_-December23_2006_theora_/episode001_lg.ogg |
| 20:18.00 | kingsley | I'll file a bug report. |
| 20:18.19 | LimCore | length 280 mb, lol? |
| 20:18.21 | snowbird | dutchfish, yeah i know even dell sells some with that os |
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| 20:18.25 | Lord-carlozZz | Hi all, I just tried to make a live usbstick with KDE-core on it. But the binary.img is only 9 mb big and i dunne what i am doing wrong. |
| 20:18.39 | Lord-carlozZz | i used live helper |
| 20:19.04 | dutchfish | snowbird, as far as i know they are working on high-end desktops too, released in .... soon they said |
| 20:19.11 | LimCore | kingsley: it plays here (even after getting just the first few mb) |
| 20:19.27 | snowbird | dutchfish, if i can id gt socket 478 |
| 20:19.38 | kingsley | LimCore: That's interesting. Thanks. What version of mplayer are you using? |
| 20:19.44 | LimCore | kingsley: although it s ubuntu actually, but u might want to use it in bug report. 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13.1 |
| 20:19.51 | dutchfish | snowbird, that is ... mmm.. dead for new systems |
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| 20:20.35 | snowbird | dutchfish, you can stil bye the bord new here |
| 20:20.40 | snowbird | just not cpu |
| 20:20.42 | dutchfish | snowbird, yup |
| 20:21.14 | LimCore | kingsley: ok this is 64bit ubuntu, so not identical to your system... well at least we know that other upstream versions, do play that file |
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| 20:21.55 | valdyn | debian-multimedia.org's etch mplayer has np with it |
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| 20:22.20 | snowbird | dutchfish, thats first choice but if i can get used thats bettter deal |
| 20:22.59 | dutchfish | snowbird, i dont know the 530 comes pretty cheap (core 2 d) |
| 20:23.13 | abrotman | #hardware? |
| 20:23.34 | snowbird | id like single core easier i think for compatibility |
| 20:23.56 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes the q is what hardware (desktop) supports debian |
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| 20:24.19 | abrotman | dutchfish: so should he be asking "This computer has this wifi, is it supported?" |
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| 20:24.40 | dutchfish | abrotman, maybe, but he hasnt bought yet |
| 20:24.50 | abrotman | dutchfish: then how would we know what's in it? |
| 20:25.03 | dutchfish | abrotman, that was not his q |
| 20:25.20 | abrotman | so we don't know the hardware .. but we're supposed to answer if it's supported? |
| 20:25.33 | stew | abrotman: his question is "what is easier to install hp or dell or intel" |
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| 20:25.46 | abrotman | which still depends on what is inside .. regardless of who makes it |
| 20:25.59 | dutchfish | abrotman, no, thats not the q, the question is what hardware (complete desktop) supports debian fully |
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| 20:26.14 | azeem | dutchfish: that's generally off-topic here I think |
| 20:26.24 | dutchfish | azeem, yup |
| 20:26.26 | karrotx_ | for how widely used webalizer is used you'd think there'd be a newer version |
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| 20:26.30 | Kevin` | a lot of them are supported. look at the hardware list and look up the specific components, it is not hard |
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| 20:26.55 | valdyn | those lists are at best a starting point |
| 20:27.03 | valdyn | they incomplete and unreliable |
| 20:27.13 | stew | !info webalizer |
| 20:27.14 | valdyn | you _really_ want to ask for the vendor to support debian |
| 20:27.15 | sysadmin-lb22 | hey all has anyone had any success stories in setting up redundant email servers using linux ? |
| 20:27.21 | dpkg | webalizer: (web server log analysis program), section web, is optional. Version: 2.01.10-32.1 (sid), Packaged size: 334 kB, Installed size: 1520 kB |
| 20:27.29 | dutchfish | valdyn, exactly, my point |
| 20:27.32 | stew | WOW -32.1 that is a LOT of uploads without a sourceful upload |
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| 20:28.02 | stew | hehe, 2.01.10-32.1+b1 even :) |
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| 20:28.11 | valdyn | you can even buy hardware with a vista logo that does not work properly on windows so duh |
| 20:28.51 | snowbird | lol |
| 20:29.15 | Gorbulas | I can't get radvd to work correctly. It's sending advertisements and my computer is not picking them up |
| 20:29.16 | snowbird | vista u pay extra for 64 bit dvd too who wants that |
| 20:29.32 | dutchfish | valdyn, or it dies at a increasing slow grind :) |
| 20:30.06 | Seven_Six_Two | lol. I just read that vista home basic limits usable ram to 1 gb. isn't vista's minimum higher than that? |
| 20:30.24 | Seven_Six_Two | even if you have 2 gb, you won't be able to use it all |
| 20:30.25 | Kevin` | Gorbulas is the computer that's not picking them up configued for ipv6? are you using broadcast or multicast? |
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| 20:30.52 | Gorbulas | I'm using the same configuration now that worked before on Gentoo as far as I can tell |
| 20:30.52 | stew | Seven_Six_Two: this is the wrong channel for vista questions |
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| 20:31.14 | Seven_Six_Two | sorry stew. that wasn't a question. |
| 20:31.16 | Kevin` | Seven_Six_Two minimum is 512 but it's not very usable with that. yes wrong channel |
| 20:31.32 | abrotman | sysadmin-lb22: you mean with multiple MX records? |
| 20:31.41 | stew | it was a question, but question or comment or whatever, its off-topic |
| 20:31.45 | stew | Seven_Six_Two: ^ |
| 20:32.28 | Seven_Six_Two | stew, oh yes. you're right. I didn't realize that I had asked... |
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| 20:33.44 | Seven_Six_Two | so I have an on topic question. Is there a way to tell between a dvd drive failure and an ide channel failure? |
| 20:34.00 | valdyn | Seven_Six_Two: no? |
| 20:34.10 | Seven_Six_Two | besides lots of swapping of hardware that I don't currently have... |
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| 20:35.27 | valdyn | Seven_Six_Two: you really want to ask what the problem really is |
| 20:35.41 | valdyn | Seven_Six_Two: hardware failure is just your interpretation of what you are seeing |
| 20:35.45 | Seven_Six_Two | darn...I was hoping to find out before replacing my dvd burners. Do you think it's possible for a failed ide channel to break drives? |
| 20:36.07 | valdyn | geez |
| 20:36.11 | valdyn | !tell Seven_Six_Two -about ask |
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| 20:36.19 | Seven_Six_Two | well, my bios no longer recognizes one of my drives as atapi compatible |
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| 20:36.50 | valdyn | Seven_Six_Two: wrongly setup bios or broken hardware. |
| 20:37.03 | aedion | i use lenny - i want to export diagramms in »dia« antialiased. yesterday the exports were AA, but today there are only ugly pixels without antiaaliasing. where can i change if the export is antialiased? |
| 20:37.03 | valdyn | Seven_Six_Two: broken hardware includes cabling |
| 20:37.05 | stew | Seven_Six_Two: try a different ide channel? |
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| 20:37.29 | dutchfish | Seven_Six_Two, if it did before try with other ide channel if that fails while your ide-harddisk works its de cd/dvd |
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| 20:37.41 | valdyn | aedion: you're exporting vector graphics |
| 20:37.47 | Seven_Six_Two | I |
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| 20:38.02 | valdyn | aedion: that is just vectors, antialiasing should depend on the displaying software |
| 20:38.02 | \amethyst | aedion: what format did you export to? |
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| 20:38.27 | Seven_Six_Two | I've never tried switching channels...does the boot drive have to be on the primary channel |
| 20:38.36 | aedion | valdyn: i want to export to png, if i export to svg inkscape doesn't support the standard-font correct (formattings are false and text to width) |
| 20:38.53 | aedion | hm, i could try gimp, wait a second |
| 20:40.04 | aedion | no, same in gimp |
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| 20:40.39 | aedion | \amethyst: png |
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| 20:43.24 | aedion | and i thougt that i can set the widht and height of the exports - but there is no question about the size when i want to export |
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| 20:43.53 | Seven_Six_Two | thanks for the help dutchfish, and valdyn I'm sorry to have upset you. I know how stressful it must be having to deal with peons. Maybe if you meditate once in a while you won't come off as an arrogant prick. |
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| 20:45.25 | Gorbulas | why does my bind9 come with a root server list from 2004? |
| 20:45.35 | Gorbulas | it needs updating |
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| 20:45.53 | azeem | Gorbulas: which version of bind0 |
| 20:45.56 | azeem | bind9* |
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| 20:46.59 | Gorbulas | 9.3.4-2etch1 I think |
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| 20:47.55 | Gorbulas | yes |
| 20:48.06 | sayers | !nvidia |
| 20:48.06 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 20:50.18 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: it's the same in sid |
| 20:51.02 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: ah, the address for L has changed |
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| 20:51.13 | Gorbulas | and there should be AAAA records |
| 20:51.54 | SamuraiDio | the debian licence is gpl, right? |
| 20:52.03 | stew | SamuraiDio: there is not a debian license |
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| 20:52.14 | aedion | !ati |
| 20:52.14 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd> |
| 20:52.55 | stew | SamuraiDio: debian provides guidelines which a licnse must meet to be inclued in debian: "/msg dpkg dfsg" the GPL is one of many licesne that meet these guidelines |
| 20:52.57 | aedion | i thought the hacker driver for ati are better? anyway, i own a radeon 9000 mobility - is the proprietary driver better today? |
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| 20:53.17 | valdyn | aedion: not for your chip |
| 20:53.46 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: which root server has AAAA records? |
| 20:53.48 | SamuraiDio | ahh, ok |
| 20:53.55 | aedion | valdyn: damn, thanks for the info ;) |
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| 20:54.07 | Gorbulas | B F H K and M |
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| 20:54.15 | kaffien | how do i clear out apt cache? |
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| 20:54.29 | aedion | apt clean? |
| 20:54.30 | apt | clean is probably a programming language and is at http://www.cs.kun.nl/~clean |
| 20:54.36 | aedion | ... |
| 20:54.40 | stew | kaffien: you mean the package cache? "apt-get clean" or "apt-get autoclean" |
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| 20:55.15 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: oh, weird... |
| 20:55.20 | SamuraiDio | someone here said me before to use an existing X11 theme as base to create a new one (an i dont remember the nick) is this person still here? |
| 20:55.24 | tmccrary | What driver should I be using with the Realtek 8211BL ethernet card? |
| 20:55.24 | kaffien | thanks |
| 20:55.26 | stew | $ host -t aaaa B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. -> .ROOT-SERVERS.NET has no AAAA record |
| 20:55.35 | kaffien | i was using like 1gb on a 4gb drive |
| 20:56.15 | \amethyst | stew: try it with b.gtld-servers.net |
| 20:56.34 | stew | ah |
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| 20:57.00 | aedion | no idea with this anti aliasing story with dia? |
| 20:57.41 | Gm4n | since my server got hacked, I need to save the config files before restoring |
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| 20:57.55 | Gm4n | what config files do I need to save to keep the VPN setup? (it's a VPN server and nothing else at this point) |
| 20:57.57 | cicon | /join debian-de |
| 20:58.03 | cicon | ups |
| 20:58.04 | cicon | ^^ |
| 20:58.08 | cicon | HI @ all |
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| 20:58.50 | SamuraiDio | well, anyway... thanks. |
| 20:59.12 | Vote | Sorry, I am new to Debian and a touch confused. How do I get sshd to run automatically on boot? |
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| 20:59.46 | Gm4n | is debian 40r2 lenny? |
| 20:59.56 | karrotx_ | Gm4n: nope |
| 21:00.05 | valdyn | aedion: is the diagram antialiased on your screen when you export it? |
| 21:00.10 | karrotx_ | 4.0r2 = the new stable release of etch |
| 21:00.11 | Gm4n | but lenny is stable now, isn't it? |
| 21:00.15 | karrotx_ | no |
| 21:00.15 | tmccrary | So debian probably doesn't support the Realtek 8211BL eh? |
| 21:00.19 | karrotx_ | wait |
| 21:00.21 | karrotx_ | maybe i'm wrong? |
| 21:00.27 | Polleke | Vote, man rc.update should get you started |
| 21:00.36 | aedion | valdyn: no, but i can make it antialiased via VIEW->ANTIALIASED |
| 21:00.37 | Vote | Polleke: thanks |
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| 21:00.55 | Vote | hmmm no manual entry lol |
| 21:00.59 | Vote | i find it online |
| 21:01.11 | Aciid | okey how can I change settings of bastille |
| 21:01.12 | valdyn | aedion: i cant save to png without AA |
| 21:01.15 | Aciid | after ive runned it? |
| 21:01.21 | Polleke | Vote, sorry, update-rc.d |
| 21:01.27 | Aciid | I want don't want to restrict GCC |
| 21:01.29 | Vote | ah ok |
| 21:01.33 | Aciid | or any other compilers |
| 21:02.38 | aedion | valdyn: weird: the exports arent without AA |
| 21:02.44 | aedion | they are without AA |
| 21:02.55 | aedion | but yesterday there were with AA |
| 21:03.03 | valdyn | aedion: aye, always with AA for me |
| 21:03.04 | aedion | and i didn't up/downgraded any libs |
| 21:03.10 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: ah, the entry for L has been updated in lenny |
| 21:03.15 | valdyn | aedion: there does not seem to be any swithc to change this manually |
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| 21:03.27 | aedion | weird :( |
| 21:03.44 | waltz | I just followed Sun's installation instructions for installing the JRE and it failed; why? |
| 21:03.50 | waltz | should I install via apt? |
| 21:03.58 | Eulex | yes |
| 21:03.59 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: also, the root nameserver AAAAs don't go online until 4 February |
| 21:04.12 | waltz | !java |
| 21:04.12 | dpkg | well, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
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| 21:04.26 | Gorbulas | I'll put them in my root server list anyways |
| 21:04.48 | tmccrary | that java info is way wrong now, lol |
| 21:05.02 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: um, what are you going to put there? |
| 21:05.26 | \amethyst | they don't *have* AAAA records yet |
| 21:05.39 | Gorbulas | http://www.root-servers.org/ |
| 21:06.24 | abrazzo | Question about tar ... I have this directory I want to archive. But there are heaps of files with strange filenames like "-name-" or "First Last" or other special characters. |
| 21:07.02 | abrazzo | tar sees "-aaa-" and gives me an "illegal option" if I just "tar -cvzf bla.tar.gz *" in there. |
| 21:07.20 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: things might break between now and 4 Feb... also, you'll be talking to a server that doesn't know its own name |
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| 21:07.35 | Eulex | abrazzo, tar -cvzf bla.tar.gz directory |
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| 21:07.47 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: it might be okay, just keep an eye open |
| 21:07.48 | valdyn | abrazzo: dont use *, but ./ |
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| 21:08.10 | abrazzo | Eulex: Well, that will give me an extra branch in the tree when I untar |
| 21:08.21 | abrazzo | valdyn: Good idea, I'll try that. |
| 21:08.29 | Eulex | abrazzo, sure, that's how tarballs usually are structured. |
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| 21:09.04 | abrazzo | Eulex: well, in this particular case, I do not want the usual structure :) |
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| 21:09.12 | Eulex | abrazzo, ok |
| 21:09.16 | abrazzo | Eulex: I'll try valdyn's idea first. |
| 21:09.21 | Gm4n | what files are used in the configuration of a vpn server? |
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| 21:09.41 | abrazzo | Thanks you two! |
| 21:10.23 | sepski | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:55091 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - off (0.00/0/0) :: Why is there a - instead of a pid number? all other lines show the pid. |
| 21:10.38 | sepski | output from netstat -plont |
| 21:11.00 | justin | sepski: I think you mean -plunt :) |
| 21:11.18 | justin | sepski: are you root? |
| 21:11.36 | sepski | true, and yes |
| 21:11.47 | mbroeker | wow: how many words are possible? atulpen, tulip, plont, ... |
| 21:12.13 | \amethyst | -punta |
| 21:12.16 | sepski | mbroeker, eatch letter is a flag, so plont = tnolp |
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| 21:12.59 | mbroeker | sepski, not all variations are so handy to remember... |
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| 21:13.53 | sepski | but nobody knows why it does not show the pid ? |
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| 21:14.20 | stew | sepski: does "lsof -i -n" show the pid? |
| 21:14.55 | valdyn | sounds like kill -9, though i dont really know if it could achieve that |
| 21:15.04 | netgear | how can i make a whatever picks up the vncviewer to pick it up automatically |
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| 21:16.28 | oramirez | Hi, does anyone know why in debian I can't detect my hostname ? |
| 21:16.38 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 21:16.38 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 21:16.48 | dserban | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000] (rev c1) <--- Everytime I try to use the nvidia drivers on this computer it fails... gdm starts and then hangs... it only works with the nv module... can anyone tell me what I can do to find out wth it isn't working? |
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| 21:17.11 | valdyn | dserban: use the legacy driver? |
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| 21:17.25 | dserban | valdyn, I do the 96xx version. |
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| 21:17.52 | dserban | or should I roll back to the even earlier one? the nvidia site suggests the second legacy driver for this card. |
| 21:17.55 | valdyn | dserban: paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log on a paste site |
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| 21:18.23 | dserban | valdyn, k meh... i have to log out completely... let me see if I have an old one. |
| 21:18.41 | sepski | steve, no, it does not show a line at all. |
| 21:19.03 | netgear | why is google constantly asking me to enter characters to verify my search that im not a virus or such? |
| 21:19.08 | keith4 | has anyone been able to get module assistant to build the nvidia kernel module in sid recently? http://pastebin.ca/850859 |
| 21:19.29 | chops | keith4: bts? |
| 21:19.44 | sepski | stew i mean |
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| 21:21.09 | stew | sepski: and netstat still does? what happens when you telnet to it? |
| 21:23.35 | abrotman | stew: do you know ift he buildd builds for bpo ? |
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| 21:24.44 | stew | abrotman: you mean, does the debian buildd network builds for bpo? |
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| 21:24.48 | abrotman | yes |
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| 21:25.01 | stew | abrotman: no, but i believe some or all of the experimental buildd bulds for bpo |
| 21:25.08 | abrotman | okay ... |
| 21:25.08 | sepski | stew, connects. if i type anything it disconnects |
| 21:25.13 | infinity0 | why was package flashplugin-nonfree removed from lenny? |
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| 21:25.25 | chops | !why is flashplugin-nonfree not in testing |
| 21:25.25 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 21:26.18 | valdyn | dserban: you probably do, as /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 21:26.41 | stew | infinity0: http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/flashplugin-nonfree/news/20071229T233910Z.html no reason was given |
| 21:26.58 | infinity0 | it says there are unfixable bugs, apparently, hmms |
| 21:27.03 | chops | infinity0: There's an explanation of why in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457291 |
| 21:27.05 | infinity0 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=flashplugin-nonfree&sev-inc=critical&sev-inc=grave&sev-inc=serious#_0_1_0 |
| 21:27.09 | infinity0 | oh ok |
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| 21:27.15 | valdyn | seriosu security issues |
| 21:27.37 | chops | infinity0: Basically, it's okay for Debian, but not for stable (since it's not patchable and upstream's security fix model is to release new versions) |
| 21:27.46 | infinity0 | oh ok |
| 21:27.50 | infinity0 | can i use the sid version? |
| 21:27.54 | infinity0 | or the experimental? |
| 21:28.06 | chops | infinity0: The intention is that users of testing use the unstable version |
| 21:28.13 | infinity0 | ahh ok |
| 21:28.17 | infinity0 | cheers :) |
| 21:28.17 | dserban | valdyn, ahh I do, but /var/log/Xorg.20.log.old and it's too old. From April 2006. Had the 71xx nvidia driver in there ... I tried it back like 3 months ago... I'll experiment and come back here when all else fails again ;) |
| 21:29.06 | dutchfish | how can i detect if nx/xd bit is set in debians kernel? |
| 21:29.50 | sepski | stew, rpcinfo shows it's nlockmgr, but why not a pid for it ? |
| 21:30.24 | stew | sepski: becuase the kernel doesn't have a pid |
| 21:30.46 | sepski | stew, right thanks |
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| 21:31.45 | infinity0 | chops: cheers, that worked :) |
| 21:33.07 | chops | infinity0: Nice |
| 21:33.43 | waltz | $ fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_14-linux-i586.bin # fails to create the .deb ; help |
| 21:33.54 | dutchfish | how can i detect if nx/xd bit is set in debians kernel? i want to know because AppArmor can't detect it, or do i need a special kernel? |
| 21:33.57 | waltz | I can't run it as uid 0, unfortunately |
| 21:34.02 | waltz | because it won't let me |
| 21:34.04 | waltz | fucking thing |
| 21:34.16 | keith4 | chops: i found a similar bug from 2006, but nothing current |
| 21:34.25 | chops | keith4: Hm |
| 21:34.33 | abrotman | waltz: what's the error it returns? |
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| 21:34.42 | chops | keith4: If you're doing everything right :-), it may be worth filing a bug |
| 21:34.46 | keith4 | chops: i'm looking for bugs filed with the "nvidia-kernel-source" package. is that correct? |
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| 21:35.20 | waltz | abrotman: it can't touch/mkdir (create) files/dirs |
| 21:35.24 | chops | keith4: That sounds right, though I've never used the nvidia drivers |
| 21:35.36 | waltz | "Permission denied" etc |
| 21:35.46 | valdyn | waltz: so? |
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| 21:35.52 | waltz | valdyn: 'so'? |
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| 21:36.08 | valdyn | waltz: files are owned by root? |
| 21:36.14 | keith4 | chops: oh wait, someone filed a bug on wednesday.... |
| 21:36.18 | grandpapadot | Is there some magic to getting vsftpd to work on deb 4? Here's my (very simple) config: http://pastebin.com/m2b316190 |
| 21:36.19 | waltz | valdyn: yeah |
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| 21:36.30 | valdyn | waltz: so obviously you have to get that bug |
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| 21:36.40 | valdyn | waltz: so obviously you have to get that message ( its not a bug = |
| 21:36.50 | telexicon | I made a raw disk image, it contains a partition table.. whats the tool that lets you mount partitions from a file? |
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| 21:37.05 | waltz | valdyn: what? |
| 21:37.17 | valdyn | waltz: do you understand how permissions work at all ? |
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| 21:37.28 | waltz | I have an idea, sure |
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| 21:37.45 | abrotman | waltz: FWIW .. i build the java-package stuff in /tmp/ |
| 21:37.59 | waltz | err, oh. |
| 21:37.59 | valdyn | waltz: a) untar the source tarball elsewhere, where your user account has access, or change the permissions on that current destination |
| 21:38.24 | valdyn | waltz: or whatever it is where your .bin is located, being extracted, wish i knew |
| 21:38.52 | valdyn | waltz: at ~/ works too |
| 21:39.19 | waltz | it still has to create files in /etc/ |
| 21:39.25 | waltz | and it can't, this way |
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| 21:39.40 | valdyn | waltz: make-jpkg catches those "creates" |
| 21:40.10 | stew | waltz: so you are trying to install a jre onto a machine where you don't have root acess? |
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| 21:40.26 | grandpapadot | Is there some magic to getting vsftpd to work on deb 4? Here's my (very simple) config: http://pastebin.com/m2b316190 |
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| 21:40.42 | valdyn | stew: hes trying to run make-jpkg which refuses to run as root |
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| 21:42.36 | waltz | stew: I have perfectly fine root access |
| 21:42.40 | abrotman | build it in /tmp/! |
| 21:42.50 | waltz | it needs write access to /etc!!! |
| 21:43.00 | abrotman | when you install it |
| 21:43.05 | abrotman | not to build it |
| 21:43.19 | waltz | (hint: I am installing it) |
| 21:43.26 | waltz | it's a fkn binary |
| 21:43.30 | abrotman | install it as root .. create the package as another user |
| 21:43.33 | justin | grandpapadot: apt-get install vsftpd ? |
| 21:43.51 | valdyn | waltz: you used make-jpkg, that'S not installing it |
| 21:43.53 | abrotman | waltz: so "fakeroot make-jpkg ./blah.bin" .. then su and dpkg -i the .deb |
| 21:44.00 | waltz | abrotman: precisely |
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| 21:44.37 | abrotman | waltz: okay .. copy the .tar.gz to /tmp/javastuff/ .. then use the "script" command in conjunction with all the commands you do .. then paste us the output somewhere |
| 21:44.46 | hultiz | I seem to have fucked something up royally with my server... I now can't connect to it and it says I don't have permission when I try to watch the website it's hosting (with Apache). The only thing I've made is a group with access to /var/www/ Does anyone have a clue what I have fucked up? |
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| 21:45.04 | stew | waltz: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:45.26 | Gm4n | how do I mount a usb drive? |
| 21:45.35 | justin | hultiz: what user does your webserver run as ?www-data? su - www-data, then try cd /var;ls;cd www;ls, see where it fails |
| 21:45.41 | stew | Gm4n: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 21:45.51 | shamrock` | hultiz: can't connect to it in what way? nfs? pinging it? Or just the web site it hosts? |
| 21:46.08 | hultiz | sry, connect to it using SSH with PuTTy |
| 21:46.10 | waltz | hang on, it's going |
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| 21:46.26 | shamrock` | and whats the error? Can you ping it? |
| 21:46.37 | hultiz | justin: I do honestly not know, but my main problem now is logging in to it at all... |
| 21:46.48 | Gm4n | how do I load the correct modules? |
| 21:46.53 | justin | hultiz: and why can't you log into it? |
| 21:47.11 | hultiz | shamrock`: no, i cant ping it and it rejects me right away with ssh and http |
| 21:47.25 | hultiz | justin: that what i want to know too :/ |
| 21:47.30 | shamrock` | hultiz: then it's not on the net I would guess .... |
| 21:47.34 | shamrock` | is it local to you? |
| 21:47.35 | hultiz | this irssi is on my server |
| 21:47.40 | donaldo | my known_hosts entries are hashed -- how may i erase one of the entries by hostname? |
| 21:47.47 | justin | hultiz: what does "reject" mean? |
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| 21:47.54 | Gorbulas | -.- the problem with my radvd setup was that I was trying to use a /48 prefix. everything works now that it's a /64 |
| 21:48.19 | shamrock` | hultiz: you need to provide the errors here. No one can secod guess. What is it sayng when it "rejects" you? |
| 21:48.23 | hultiz | "Server unexpectedly closed network connection" without even waiting for it to try |
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| 21:48.40 | hultiz | sry, i dont know where to start |
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| 21:48.57 | shamrock` | hultiz: can you log in to the server from a keyboard? |
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| 21:49.06 | dutchfish | ok, i understand i need the the NX enabler patch for apparmor or pax, is it in a form of a debian package? |
| 21:49.24 | hultiz | shamrock`: yes i can if i connect it |
| 21:49.27 | Agiofws | anyone know what service starts rpc.statd what do i have to do to disable this ? in debian/lenny ? |
| 21:49.35 | abrotman | likely nfsd |
| 21:49.46 | abrotman | just try to remove portmap and see what it wants to take |
| 21:49.49 | shamrock` | is a router in the way? Did you reset a router which was giving port 22/80 access? |
| 21:49.49 | stew | hultiz: if you are getting connection refused from sshd, then either sshd is not running or you are being firewalled. if sshd isn't running and you have no other way to remotely login to the box, then someone must login to the box locally and start sshd |
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| 21:49.58 | pingouin | someone can lead me to 'wifi' help, i got an usb wifi adapter, i wish to make it work, the chipset is Ralink RT73, is there in kernel ? what tool running to config it ? please, thank you |
| 21:50.20 | abrotman | !info source rt2500-source |
| 21:50.24 | abrotman | nice |
| 21:50.25 | Agiofws | abrotman, if i don;t use nfs do i need portmap ? |
| 21:50.30 | abrotman | !info rt2500-source etch |
| 21:50.36 | hultiz | stew: why would it reject all connections all of a sudden? |
| 21:50.38 | dpkg | rt2500-source: (RT2500 wireless network drivers source), section net, is extra. Version: 1.1.0+cvs20060620-3 (etch), Packaged size: 241 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 21:50.41 | abrotman | Agiofws: not unless it's a desktop .. usually it's nfs or famd that use it |
| 21:50.49 | valdyn | pingouin: apt-cache search rt73 |
| 21:50.52 | Agiofws | ok |
| 21:50.55 | shamrock` | btw folks, anyone that remembers my daily process - I finally added nfs today to my mailserver. So easy. So reliable. And "just works". Linux really is the business. |
| 21:50.59 | Agiofws | i'm killing it |
| 21:51.02 | Agiofws | for ever |
| 21:51.07 | stew | hultiz: becuase sshd stopped for some reason or someone put a new firewall between you and the box, most likely sshd stopped |
| 21:51.07 | abrotman | Agiofws: so if you try to remove it .. and you see a package you use being removed .. time to stop |
| 21:51.11 | pingouin | valdyn: no answer |
| 21:51.19 | valdyn | pingouin: on plain etch? |
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| 21:51.20 | shamrock` | one question though : can I use nfs over the net or should I use sshfs for that? |
| 21:51.26 | abrotman | pingouin: google "debian driver rt73" |
| 21:51.36 | pingouin | valdyn: yes i running etch |
| 21:51.43 | \amethyst | Agiofws: if it's installed because of fam, you might try switching to gamin. Most apps that use fam can use gamin instead |
| 21:52.01 | hultiz | stew: im still connected with two remote sshs, this is one of them |
| 21:52.14 | pingouin | abrotman: the RT2500 driver is the same as rt73 ? |
| 21:52.16 | valdyn | pingouin: it will be included in 2.6.24, lenny and sid should have the seperate source packages. I'm not sure about the minimal kernel version for those drivers |
| 21:52.25 | \amethyst | hultiz: on the shell you have open on the remote machine, can it ssh to its own address? |
| 21:52.33 | pingouin | valdyn: ok, thank |
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| 21:53.35 | hultiz | \amethyst: ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.108 port 22: No route to host |
| 21:53.44 | pingouin | i'll wait the next kernel version to run wifi |
| 21:53.56 | \amethyst | hultiz: did the IP address change? |
| 21:54.00 | valdyn | pingouin: ah, no, it should be fine with your kernel aswell, rt73-source is the old driver, the new one that will be in 2.6.24 is rt2x00-source, and only that one requires a rather new kernel |
| 21:54.02 | dutchfish | !tell pingouin about backports |
| 21:54.13 | stew | hultiz: what about "ssh localhost" |
| 21:54.21 | hultiz | ip is the same |
| 21:54.41 | hultiz | stew: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 21:54.57 | hultiz | here's a list of all the commands ive used since it worked: http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bashwz8.jpg |
| 21:55.07 | stew | hultiz: is the machine running out of memory? |
| 21:55.09 | valdyn | pingouin: and grab "firmware-ralink" too |
| 21:55.22 | \amethyst | hultiz: are there local iptables entries? ( iptables -L ) |
| 21:55.40 | jbt | doing apt-cache search package will only show the installed packages? |
| 21:55.54 | shamrock` | userdel sshd?? |
| 21:56.04 | pingouin | valdyn: i'm not sure i get it, i build my own kernel, browsing the usb network device....did not see rt73....surely miss it (2.6.23.13) |
| 21:56.12 | stew | hultiz: why did you run "userdel sshd"? |
| 21:56.12 | hultiz | shamrock`: hmmmm |
| 21:56.21 | hultiz | well, because... stupid :( |
| 21:56.27 | shamrock` | you're screwed :-; |
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| 21:56.33 | Agiofws | stew abrotman if i disable something in rc2.d will it start up in rc3.d ? |
| 21:56.36 | valdyn | pingouin: the old one ( rt73 ) never was in mainline, it was always only an external driver |
| 21:56.44 | abrotman | rc3 isn't normally used |
| 21:56.51 | abrotman | in debian |
| 21:57.00 | valdyn | pingouin: get the one from sid/lenny and use m-a to build it |
| 21:57.02 | hultiz | \amethyst: yes, but they dont answer |
| 21:57.04 | waltz | http://walterbrunswick.com/mine/wtf |
| 21:57.10 | pingouin | valdyn: ok !! thanks, so i can build it as module i guess |
| 21:57.10 | hultiz | so... i cant just readd the user? |
| 21:57.13 | stew | Agiofws: how exactly did you disable it? |
| 21:57.16 | hultiz | or reinstall sshd |
| 21:57.22 | stew | hultiz: yes |
| 21:57.26 | Agiofws | abrotman, ? rc3 is not dektop level ? |
| 21:57.27 | jbt | ? |
| 21:57.33 | pingouin | damn wifi |
| 21:57.44 | waltz | valdyn, stew: ^^ |
| 21:57.48 | shamrock` | I had something similar today but from a bug in Debian I think. I did an "apt-get autoremove" which removed dnsutils and gdm! Took me ages to figure out what was up and get net access back. God knows what the autoremove thought it was doing. |
| 21:57.48 | Agiofws | stew, i rename Sfoo to Kfoo right ? |
| 21:57.51 | stew | Agiofws: debian treats all runlevels 2-5 as the same, and defaults to using 2 |
| 21:58.13 | hultiz | stew: yay, it works! thanks |
| 21:58.15 | Agiofws | ok |
| 21:58.24 | stew | Agiofws: yes, and that shouldn't affect anything in rc3.d yes, it would probably still start in runlevel 3, which, it seems, you should know how to check for |
| 21:58.30 | valdyn | waltz: that means that make-jpkg does not support that particular java release |
| 21:58.33 | hultiz | ill try to be more careful, cause that was incredibly stupid :P |
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| 21:58.43 | abrotman | !runlevels |
| 21:58.43 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf', 'sysv-rc-conf' or 'file-rc' instead - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 : or ask me about <startup> |
| 21:58.45 | nios | all lp,lpstat (printer stuff) what to apt-get install ? |
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| 21:58.57 | Agiofws | but desktop level has passed the rc3.d level or not i suspect so or stupid gnome is using rc3 ? |
| 21:59.06 | hultiz | stew: will i need to do something with the account to get everything back to normal? |
| 21:59.18 | valdyn | Agiofws: read what dpkg said, debian isnt redhat |
| 21:59.34 | stew | waltz: that name of the .bin should match one of the patterns in /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED |
| 22:00.01 | Agiofws | ok just one more thing |
| 22:00.08 | waltz | I see |
| 22:00.19 | stew | Agiofws: "desktop level"? unless you change /etc/inittab or explicitly request to switch to a particular runlevel, you are using runlevel 2 |
| 22:00.43 | waltz | Sun disagrees |
| 22:00.43 | Agiofws | if i stop someting in rc2.d will it start up in rc3.d ? |
| 22:00.45 | waltz | Verifying Java Version |
| 22:00.46 | waltz | Oops! You don't have the recommended Java installed. |
| 22:00.49 | waltz | :( |
| 22:01.24 | Agiofws | well all those start files are not in rc3.d for nothing |
| 22:02.26 | \amethyst | Agiofws: how are you stopping it in rc2.d? |
| 22:02.31 | stew | Agiofws: if you stop something in rc2.d but it still has a start link in rc3.d it would start when you switch to runlevel 3. but until you specifically request runelvel 3, that of course wouldn't happen. a typical debian user only uses runlevels 0,1,2,6 |
| 22:02.41 | \amethyst | Agiofws: renaming the Sfoo to Kfoo ? |
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| 22:03.19 | cdemwel1 | Hi |
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| 22:03.52 | cdemwel1 | How can I abort installing a deb with apt after it has progressed to the step just before configuration? |
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| 22:04.22 | valdyn | cdemwel1: that wont revert what was already done |
| 22:04.39 | valdyn | cdemwel1: ctrl-c aborts |
| 22:04.40 | cdemwel1 | Nothing has happened, but it's unpacked to the temp dir and about to set up libc6 |
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| 22:04.56 | cdemwel1 | yes, that's done, but now I want to put a hold on the package and proceed doing something else |
| 22:05.11 | cdemwel1 | as it stands I can't do anything with apt or dpkg as it wants to configure the package first |
| 22:05.19 | cdemwel1 | and I can't remove the package, because it's libc6 |
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| 22:05.34 | valdyn | cdemwel1: you could try dpkg -i olderlibc6.deb |
| 22:05.48 | pleed | Is it possible that linux 2.6.9 doesnt support ipv4 stateful filtering? |
| 22:05.49 | valdyn | cdemwel1: however you might just want to complete that libc6 upgrade |
| 22:05.53 | cdemwel1 | I really don't |
| 22:05.58 | cdemwel1 | I'm on a virtuozzo virtual server |
| 22:06.05 | cdemwel1 | I can't upgrade libc6 and keep the system running :( |
| 22:06.14 | stew | cdemwel1: use the aptitude frontend |
| 22:06.26 | cdemwel1 | stew: How can I use aptitude to do what I want? |
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| 22:06.49 | valdyn | i dont know how to precisely revert a halfdone in install, its likely not possible |
| 22:07.05 | cdemwel1 | valdyn, I don't need to revert the half-done in install |
| 22:07.16 | cdemwel1 | I just need to stop it from proceeding; then I can force an install of the correct version |
| 22:07.30 | dutchfish | ok, with readelf -l /bin/cat | grep STACK i know my kernel supports NX and uses it, how come pax or apparmor does not see it? |
| 22:07.34 | Rohsputina | hi. I just made an Etch install to USB HDD... i didnt install GRUB ... How can i get the USBinstall to run ? |
| 22:07.38 | valdyn | cdemwel1: dpkg -i older_libc6.deb, as i said |
| 22:07.52 | cdemwel1 | ok |
| 22:08.00 | cdemwel1 | let me see if that works |
| 22:08.35 | Agiofws | stew, i know but i am sure that stupid gnome or something is using runlevel 3 |
| 22:08.47 | Agiofws | \amethyst, yes thats how |
| 22:08.57 | Agiofws | stew, what does S89atd do ? |
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| 22:09.11 | Agiofws | i'm trying to speed up my boot time |
| 22:09.15 | valdyn | Agiofws: why are you messsing with this? |
| 22:09.21 | Agiofws | i'm trying to speed up my boot time |
| 22:09.23 | valdyn | oh my |
| 22:09.34 | valdyn | !atd |
| 22:09.54 | dutchfish | oh oh nvm for pax i need ONFIG_HIGHMEM64G in the kernel, debians doesnt have that at default |
| 22:10.08 | valdyn | Agiofws: atd is a daemon that runs scripts at a specified time |
| 22:10.10 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: the bigmem kernels do. |
| 22:10.20 | valdyn | Agiofws: you probably dont need it at all, apt-get remove atd |
| 22:10.32 | Agiofws | 35 secs is not acceptable from a T7500 : anyway i just need loaded what i use and if i choose to start up something i'll start it up manually |
| 22:10.46 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, yes, but then suspend isnt working anymore |
| 22:10.47 | Agiofws | i'll just stop it |
| 22:10.56 | Agiofws | i must say lenny is quite bloated |
| 22:11.01 | valdyn | Agiofws: you want to use suspend to disk i suppose, not mess with init scripts |
| 22:11.04 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: wait, you're using suspend on a machine with > 4G of ram? |
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| 22:11.06 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, it seams mutually exclusive |
| 22:11.09 | stew | Agiofws: what do you mean by "gnome or something is using runlevel 3" ? |
| 22:11.12 | Agiofws | valdyn, no |
| 22:11.22 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, at least i am trying |
| 22:11.26 | valdyn | Agiofws: lenny is as "bloated" as you made it, pretty much |
| 22:11.29 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.33 | valdyn | Agiofws: atd is not necessary |
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| 22:11.48 | Agiofws | stew, i don;t know just a stupid assumption |
| 22:11.52 | Jack2 | How much free ram do I have http://pastesite.com/beta/1093 ? thanks |
| 22:11.56 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, so far i got the best results with 2.6.24-rc7-git3 |
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| 22:12.09 | Agiofws | well i did a netinstall |
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| 22:12.29 | valdyn | Jack2: 3365 |
| 22:12.29 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, using debians .config for pae |
| 22:12.30 | stew | Jack2: 3.3gb |
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| 22:12.58 | Agiofws | ok here goes |
| 22:13.02 | stew | Agiofws: you are not using runlevel 3 unless you have gone out of your way to do so, which it doesn't sound like you have |
| 22:13.03 | Agiofws | ixus:/etc/rc3.d# mv S19spamassassin K19spamassassin ; mv S20exim4 K20exim4 ; mv S20nfs-common K20nfs-common ; mv S20openbsd-inetd K20openbsd-inetd ; mv S21fam K21fam ; mv S24avahi-daemon K24avahi-daemon ; mv S24dhcdbd K24dhcdbd ; mv S25bluetooth K25bluetooth ; mv S26network-manager K26network-manager ; mv S26network-manager-dispatcher K26network-manager ; mv S89atd K89atd |
| 22:13.03 | valdyn | Jack2: if you mean "available for programs", its not "free" as in "unused" |
| 22:13.09 | maddash | why the fuck is aptitude so fucking keen on installing gnome-related accessories to my packages? |
| 22:13.24 | stew | maddash: try "aptitude why packagename" |
| 22:13.25 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, the machine is a desktop with 8G mem |
| 22:13.31 | Agiofws | stew, i am not but i feel that someting is using it |
| 22:13.42 | Jack2 | I see, but that indicates I'm no way near needing 4gb? |
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| 22:13.51 | Agiofws | madclicker, cause gnome is crappy ? |
| 22:13.59 | valdyn | Agiofws: you're on a good way to fuck up your debian install |
| 22:14.05 | streuner | dutschfi: why do you need 8 GB anyway? |
| 22:14.11 | valdyn | Agiofws: you could just aswell remove unused software |
| 22:14.25 | stew | Agiofws: what do you mean by "using it" do you understand that your machine is only in 1 runlevel at a time? and unless you have done something special, your machine is in runlevel 2 unless it is either booting up or shutting down or rebooting ? |
| 22:14.31 | dutchfish | streuner, large compiles in eclipse |
| 22:14.45 | ward_ | does anyone know software to jsut take a screenshot? I can't use printscreen, on-screen keyboard |
| 22:14.56 | stew | !screenshot |
| 22:14.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 22:14.57 | Agiofws | nope i checked i am in 2 |
| 22:15.20 | Agiofws | but i think that disabling those will effect boot time |
| 22:15.26 | valdyn | Jack2: modern operating systems use near all ram that is not claimed by something else for caching i/o |
| 22:15.33 | Agiofws | you saying it won't right ? |
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| 22:15.55 | stew | Agiofws: doing things in rc3.d will not affect your system at all unless you plan on doing something specific to enter runlevel 3, which normally is never used on a debian system |
| 22:16.01 | valdyn | Jack2: that tends to speed up things. If you really "need" that much cache or if it gives a significant benefit is not as easy to figure out |
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| 22:16.41 | Jack2 | ok thanks |
| 22:16.44 | valdyn | Jack2: no doubt though, your current setup would run with 3G less ram |
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| 22:17.07 | Jack2 | I have 8 total cpu cores, my average (using "uptime") is load average: 2.57, 2.80, 4.78 - do I divide those numbers by 8? |
| 22:17.23 | valdyn | Jack2: no |
| 22:17.30 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, thx for the hints! :) |
| 22:17.33 | Jack2 | ok |
| 22:17.59 | valdyn | Jack2: load means: "number of processes waiting for disk or cpu or network" |
| 22:18.11 | ward_ | steve, thanx |
| 22:18.24 | ward_ | steve, oops wrong highlight, stew thanx |
| 22:18.28 | stew | :) |
| 22:18.31 | ameyer | although, on non-linux systems it means "number of processes waiting for cpu", apparently |
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| 22:18.40 | valdyn | Jack2: we dont know at all, which of those is the case on your system |
| 22:18.45 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, i now grasp why it wont work, seams that suspend cant coop with > 2GB dumps |
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| 22:19.04 | ameyer | but having 4.87 processes running on a 8 core system is fine |
| 22:19.18 | valdyn | no one said he had that many processes running |
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| 22:19.27 | ameyer | I've gotten load over 25 before my system started lagging |
| 22:19.31 | _Sam-- | Jan 11 17:18:22 fresco spamc[29526]: connection attempt to spamd aborted after 3 retries |
| 22:19.31 | _Sam-- | Jan 11 17:18:22 fresco spamass-milter[12111]: Could not extract score from <> |
| 22:19.34 | _Sam-- | er, sorry. |
| 22:19.42 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, if i disable suspend for now, apparmor / pax can work nicely with the nx bit |
| 22:20.00 | ameyer | probably had more with the cpu overhead of "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null", though |
| 22:20.02 | silverphoenix | hello, I need a debian based distribution with the lowest hardware requeriments, does anybody know a thing like this? |
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| 22:20.18 | Ronin | silverphoenix: wrong channel then |
| 22:20.20 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, didt know that, thx again :) |
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| 22:20.27 | Ronin | oops sorry my mistake |
| 22:20.34 | Ronin | silverphoenix: whats wrong with debian? |
| 22:20.36 | valdyn | Jack2: to illustrate this, you could let 1000 programs access one very slow i/o device concurrently, that would probably give a load of 1000, and the rest of your system wouldnt slow down noticably at all |
| 22:20.42 | ameyer | or, I should say the CPU overhead of 25 of those |
| 22:20.45 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: ah; yeah, that wouldn't surprise me much. |
| 22:20.52 | enveezee | I don't suppose there is any way through software to control a LCD backlight is there? |
| 22:21.02 | streuner | silverphoenix: working as a router? |
| 22:21.03 | stew | enveezee: xbacklight |
| 22:21.17 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, gone delve into that later, i suspect a ext3 <> suspend limit |
| 22:21.19 | enveezee | stew: I'll have a look.. this is not a laptop btw |
| 22:21.34 | silverphoenix | streuner: not, it is simple a bit old laptop computer |
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| 22:21.56 | Ronin | silverphoenix: why not debian? how old is that door stop your thinking of? :) |
| 22:21.58 | streuner | silverphoenix: what CPU, how much RAM? |
| 22:22.20 | stew | enveezee: i belive it works as long as your have a recent and working xrandr |
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| 22:22.31 | enveezee | This LCD's OSD brightness control seems to make no changes at all |
| 22:22.32 | stew | enveezee: (that said, i haven't tried it except on a laptop) |
| 22:23.03 | enveezee | stew: I don't really even know what an xrandr is.. if I have the nvidia drivers installed would I likely have that? |
| 22:23.12 | silverphoenix | streuner: intel celeron m, 30 gb avalaibles |
| 22:23.23 | Agiofws | stew, yes i understand that my pc goes from oone runlevel to another sequentally |
| 22:23.29 | streuner | silverphoenix: RAM? |
| 22:23.34 | stew | enveezee: i don't know. it definatly would not work in etch |
| 22:23.36 | Agiofws | i'm just rying to cut down boot time |
| 22:23.43 | Agiofws | just trying to |
| 22:23.55 | silverphoenix | streuner: I dont know |
| 22:24.04 | stew | Agiofws: what do you mean by 'sequentially'? do you mean 0->1->2->3...etc? |
| 22:24.16 | enveezee | stew: ah.. I may have to look into wiring a damn variable resistor to the power wires on the backlight :P |
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| 22:24.45 | Agiofws | stew, yes |
| 22:24.50 | stew | enveezee: its likely to require xorg 7.3, i'm not sure if 7.2 has randr 1.2 or 1.1 |
| 22:24.54 | Agiofws | or does it jump ? |
| 22:24.55 | stew | Agiofws: that is incorrect |
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| 22:25.04 | Agiofws | i know 6 is for reboot ? |
| 22:25.11 | streuner | silverphoenix: well, my new laptop has Vista installed (Celeron 1.6 Ghz, 512 MB), answer Ronin's questions then ;-) |
| 22:25.24 | Agiofws | 0 is read only ? |
| 22:25.28 | riganta | hi guys, does epiphany have a problem with GNASH? |
| 22:25.35 | enveezee | my brothers pc died in a recent storm and he got a new one so I got dibs on his old LCD but the damn thing doesnt seem to dim at all.. and on the one hand I don't want to continue using this 14" LCD at like 640x480 but on the other hand I like to be able to dim my screen at night |
| 22:25.36 | Enron | root is the root of all evil |
| 22:25.36 | stew | Agiofws: 0 is 'halt' |
| 22:25.46 | riganta | is there any known bugs between the two?? |
| 22:25.48 | Rohsputina | hi. i wish to to install linux(using grub) to hdb.on hda i have windows and wish to boot back and forth once in a while ( hda or hdb ) will the grub used on hdb have any effect when i boot my hda (windows only) |
| 22:25.51 | streuner | silverphoenix: and it works like a charm with Debian ;-) |
| 22:25.56 | stew | riganta: /msg dpkg bts |
| 22:26.05 | themill | stew: xorg 7.2 appears to have xrandr 1.2 (in lenny) |
| 22:26.09 | enveezee | erm 14" CRT I mean :P |
| 22:26.22 | Agiofws | oh ok |
| 22:26.27 | silverphoenix | streuner: ops, i forget the cd version i have is 64 bit and the computer is 32 bits |
| 22:26.42 | enveezee | damn I wonder if that dude I just sold that other LCD to wants to trade.. haha |
| 22:26.48 | Ronin | silverphoenix: so get a 32 bit cd |
| 22:26.52 | stew | enveezee: so according to themill it is possible in xorg 7.2 but it will depend on your driver supporting RANDR extensions, no idea about nvidia supporting that |
| 22:27.14 | enveezee | stew: it all sounds like a long shot |
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| 22:27.46 | silverphoenix | Ronin: mmm..... i was looking for a debian based distro bu no needed additional download for internet and a smaller iso download |
| 22:28.06 | astra-x | what do you need for kdebase as "kdebase-workspace" is not found? |
| 22:28.08 | riganta | let me ask the question another way. I can check out youtube with iceweasel but not with epiphany |
| 22:28.14 | astra-x | for install kde4 on debian lenny? |
| 22:28.25 | riganta | is there anything I should be doing that I am not |
| 22:28.29 | Ronin | silverphoenix: debian disk 1? |
| 22:28.31 | Ronin | maybe |
| 22:28.38 | astra-x | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html those packages do not seem to update to kde4 |
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| 22:28.41 | enveezee | the brightness/contrast controls on the LCd seem to onlly effect the LCD not the backlight and even with them all the way down its an almost negligable difference if any difference at all from being at 100% |
| 22:29.22 | silverphoenix | Ronin: but i need addtional download from internet once downloaded ,not? |
| 22:29.30 | Sebboh | How can I extract a multipart zip? /usr/bin/unzip says that support for multipart zips is 'incomplete'. |
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| 22:29.36 | Ronin | silverphoenix: just one cd but yes |
| 22:29.52 | Ronin | silverphoenix: but your question means you'd have to dl a disk of some sort anyhow |
| 22:29.54 | stew | astra-x: we do not support experimental. |
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| 22:30.00 | \amethyst | astra-x: #debian-kde might be of more help than #debian |
| 22:30.01 | themill | !tell astra-x about kde4 |
| 22:30.06 | valdyn | Sebboh: you can try p7zip-full |
| 22:30.11 | Ronin | damn it, i need to proof read tonight before responding apparently |
| 22:30.22 | Sebboh | valdyn: I installed that. What does it provide me? |
| 22:30.34 | valdyn | Sebboh: 7z x file.zip |
| 22:30.44 | Sebboh | ah, thanks. |
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| 22:31.27 | astra-x | yeah, i just want to fetch the packages and install, i want to test it. stability i don't care about |
| 22:31.27 | Ronin | silverphoenix: no disk one should give you net, X etc, |
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| 22:31.51 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, setting msgid to 8G seams to solve it (suspend limit is not "hard") but somehow it barks >2GB if not set |
| 22:32.34 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: huh. Yeah, I've never tried to use suspend on i386 with that much memory. |
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| 22:33.41 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, apropos not i386, cpu= qx6700 |
| 22:34.35 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, but its working, at last :) |
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| 22:35.34 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: oh... but you're using an i386 kernel? |
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| 22:35.43 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, amd64 |
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| 22:36.08 | Yggdrasil | hi can somone help me configure an smb server so that i dont need a username and password to connect ? |
| 22:36.14 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: but amd64 doesn't do pae |
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| 22:36.43 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, nope, i tested pax with 32 bit too and pae |
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| 22:37.21 | streuner | Yggdrasil: #samba |
| 22:37.27 | Yggdrasil | thanks |
| 22:37.27 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, pax can do 32 bit on 64bit machines |
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| 22:38.04 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, but i prefer amd64 os |
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| 22:38.27 | themill | dpkg: kde4 is also see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. |
| 22:38.27 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 22:38.43 | dacs | good day to all |
| 22:38.43 | netgear | how do i make gnome login automatically since i need to be able to do that to do a remote desktop to a headless machine? any ideas? |
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| 22:39.04 | Dragon67 | hi |
| 22:39.10 | Agiofws | stew, maybe its rcS.d that i'm looking for when does rcS.d get executed ? |
| 22:39.21 | Dragon67 | i just want to run tftp can some one please help |
| 22:39.31 | Ronin | Dragon67: tftp? |
| 22:39.35 | dutchfish | !tftp-hpa |
| 22:40.00 | stew | Agiofws: when you first boot. i'd recommend not touching anything in there |
| 22:40.00 | Dragon67 | Ronin: yes |
| 22:40.21 | Agiofws | ahh thats what i'm looking for |
| 22:40.23 | Agiofws | lol |
| 22:40.29 | dutchfish | Dragon67, tftpd-hpa - HPA's tftp server |
| 22:40.30 | Agiofws | wait take a lok |
| 22:40.31 | Ronin | Dragon67: we're going to need a log more information then that |
| 22:40.32 | Agiofws | look |
| 22:40.47 | themill | !tell netgear about autologin |
| 22:40.50 | stew | Agiofws: you might want to read the documents in /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc for an intro about how the sysv init works |
| 22:41.11 | Agiofws | stew, ixus:/etc/rcS.d# ls | paste |
| 22:41.12 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/qfapG026.html |
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| 22:41.21 | Agiofws | can you take a look ? |
| 22:41.32 | netgear | themill: its a offline machine |
| 22:41.33 | stew | Agiofws: ok, i'm looking |
| 22:41.42 | Agiofws | thankyou |
| 22:41.54 | Dragon67 | Ronin: is there any source that i can learn how to run it |
| 22:42.09 | dutchfish | Dragon67, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
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| 22:42.18 | themill | netgear: it's also completely unnecessary -- you can use either ssh tunnelling or vnc to achieve the same thing |
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| 22:42.50 | netgear | i am using vncviewer |
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| 22:43.12 | {Nathan} | I'm trying to install the nvidia kernel module. I can't because my GCC version and the GCC version that built my kernel are different (2.1 vs 2.2 I think). How can I work around this. |
| 22:43.25 | Dragon67 | dutchfish: thanks a lot |
| 22:43.30 | dacs | can someone please take a look at this http://pastebin.ca/851402, this is the output of my dmesg |
| 22:43.30 | netgear | themill: i stiill need to have a user logged on from headless machine to x-session to be able to vnc to that x |
| 22:43.36 | Dragon67 | Ronin: thanks |
| 22:43.43 | \amethyst | {Nathan}: what version was the kernel built with? |
| 22:43.53 | {Nathan} | ameyer: 2.1 I'm pretty sure. |
| 22:43.58 | \amethyst | no |
| 22:44.01 | \amethyst | 4.1 maybe? |
| 22:44.07 | {Nathan} | ameyer: err... yeah. |
| 22:44.12 | {Nathan} | 4. |
| 22:44.17 | {Nathan} | My bad. |
| 22:44.27 | dacs | looks like its pretty fucked up |
| 22:44.52 | themill | netgear: you can run a vncserver on that machine. Or you can use ssh -X and then run the gui apps on the remote machine but forwarded back to your local machine. Autologin is never required. |
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| 22:45.15 | \amethyst | {Nathan}: you're using m-a a-i to build the package? |
| 22:45.43 | {Nathan} | ameyer: No... I'm using the nvidia official drivers. It's the only one that will let me use TV-out |
| 22:45.55 | {Nathan} | ameyer: it's just a binary that you download from their website |
| 22:45.58 | ameyer | bloody hell |
| 22:46.03 | dutchfish | dacs, did you check your network setup, what does route -n tells you? |
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| 22:46.29 | themill | !tell {Nathan} about nvidia |
| 22:46.44 | stew | dacs: i dont' see anything fucked up. i see your firewall logging multicast packets |
| 22:46.49 | themill | !tell {Nathan} about why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 22:47.33 | \amethyst | {Nathan}: you want the gcc-4.1 package installed, then use MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-4.1" when building the kernel module |
| 22:47.33 | {Nathan} | themill: It's the only thing I can use. |
| 22:47.35 | dutchfish | stew, dacs looks like macs talking |
| 22:47.47 | themill | {Nathan}: why? |
| 22:47.49 | Agiofws | stew, you see anything i can stop ? |
| 22:47.50 | stew | dacs: yeah, looks like something looking for a daap to talk to |
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| 22:48.04 | {Nathan} | themill: tvout. I have a weird card and no other app will work with it |
| 22:48.10 | dacs | dutchfish: i comment on the post with the route -n output |
| 22:48.14 | stew | Agiofws: i don't think you should mess with rcS.d |
| 22:48.16 | Agiofws | file:///etc/rcS.d/S35mountall.sh ? stew ? |
| 22:48.24 | dacs | stew: what is daap? |
| 22:48.27 | dacs | !daap |
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| 22:48.31 | stew | Agiofws: absolutely not |
| 22:48.40 | acemi | netgear: gdm supports autologin |
| 22:48.54 | stew | dacs: itunes protocol |
| 22:48.59 | valdyn | dacs: google? |
| 22:48.59 | Agiofws | maybe thats mounting anything in fstab ? aprt form the fact that i have noauto optiion \\ |
| 22:49.10 | themill | {Nathan}: please read what dpkg told you. You can still use the non-free driver made by nvidia but use it within the debian package system and not using the stupid installer from nvidia. |
| 22:49.13 | dutchfish | dacs, route seams fine, follow stew |
| 22:49.20 | {Nathan} | themill: I did. |
| 22:49.23 | \amethyst | Agiofws: it mounts everything that is not noauto |
| 22:49.32 | {Nathan} | themill: and I am. |
| 22:50.28 | dacs | stew: how can i remove that |
| 22:50.42 | netgear | acemi: i used different types of settings and still it doesnt auto login |
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| 22:51.04 | stew | dacs: do you mean, how can you stop that host from looking for daap, or how can you stop those messages becuase you don't care that something is looking for dapp? |
| 22:51.07 | stew | err daap... |
| 22:51.47 | Agiofws | \amethyst, no it mounts stuff thats has the noauto option |
| 22:52.06 | Agiofws | i still don;t know what fsking gome does that does it |
| 22:52.07 | \amethyst | Agiofws: Are you sure it's that script that's doing it? |
| 22:52.07 | dacs | stew: both |
| 22:52.15 | Agiofws | i don't know |
| 22:52.19 | Agiofws | if i killX |
| 22:52.24 | Agiofws | it remounts |
| 22:52.36 | Aciid | how can I drop a port that is allready in use |
| 22:52.39 | \amethyst | Agiofws: oh, gnome-mount maybe? |
| 22:52.50 | valdyn | Aciid: what is "dropping a port" ? |
| 22:52.51 | Aciid | I cannot start a daemon because port is allready in use and the program is dead |
| 22:53.00 | acemi | netgear: I don't understand while gdm doesn't autologin for you |
| 22:53.06 | valdyn | Aciid: which program is using that port? which port? |
| 22:53.07 | \amethyst | Aciid: if it's in use then the program isn't dead |
| 22:53.10 | Agiofws | so runlevel2 \amethyst on in what fsking runlevel is gnome mount ? |
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| 22:53.21 | Aciid | it's an ircd |
| 22:53.24 | \amethyst | Agiofws: it's not started from an init script |
| 22:53.36 | valdyn | Aciid: how was that ircd started? |
| 22:53.51 | valdyn | Aciid: "/etc/init.d/*ircd stop" might stop it |
| 22:53.51 | \amethyst | Aciid: what does netstat -plnt say about it? |
| 22:53.51 | Aciid | from a binary, but really the program is dead |
| 22:54.10 | Eulex | Agiofws, gnome-volume-manager? |
| 22:54.13 | valdyn | Aciid: show the "ps aux" output for that program that is "dead" |
| 22:54.21 | Aciid | oh its not in use , netstat says |
| 22:54.23 | valdyn | Aciid: "ps aux | grep program" works |
| 22:54.31 | dacs | stew: how can i tell what is looking for daap |
| 22:54.40 | \amethyst | Aciid: so what error does the program give you exactly? |
| 22:54.48 | stew | dacs: you are getting those messages logged becuase you have a firewall rule in your firewall script which is -j LOG. you'll have to either remove that rule, edit that rule, or do one of ACCEPT,DROP,REJECT for those packets before ti is logged |
| 22:55.00 | stew | dacs: SRC=192.168.1.101 |
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| 22:55.31 | Aciid | wait it's a other user on my system that just gave me that message, I have to wait till he replys |
| 22:55.34 | kaffien | two questions, how do i get a module to 'autoload' and how do i get a service to autoload in debian |
| 22:55.48 | simonrvn | or just configure kernel.printk as 3 4 1 7 (if it's the console logging that's an issue) |
| 22:55.56 | \amethyst | kaffien: 1. put the module's name in /etc/modules |
| 22:56.07 | \amethyst | kaffien: 2. depends on the service |
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| 22:56.22 | kaffien | ssh and dhclient \amethyst |
| 22:56.42 | Symmetria | anyone here awake who is responsible for debian mirrors? |
| 22:56.52 | stew | Symmetria: not here. why do you ask? |
| 22:57.09 | Symmetria | stew trying to sort out something with the south african mirrors |
| 22:57.13 | valdyn | kaffien: services are started automagically usually or need to be enabled in /etc/default/<service> |
| 22:57.18 | dacs | stew: i really don't know how that got in there? |
| 22:57.20 | Symmetria | emailed mirrors@ but no response |
| 22:57.28 | dutchfish | Symmetria, http://www.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ |
| 22:57.33 | valdyn | kaffien: both dhclient and ssh arent services ( unless you meant sshd ) |
| 22:57.34 | dacs | am pretty new to iptables |
| 22:57.50 | stew | kaffien: ssh would be starting automatically via /etc/rc2.d if you installed openssh-server (you can edit what things start via sysv init using update-rc.d or rcconf). |
| 22:57.50 | Symmetria | we need to move the .za mirror to a new location |
| 22:57.50 | kaffien | sorry i meant sshd |
| 22:57.52 | Symmetria | the primary |
| 22:58.09 | valdyn | kaffien: sshd is started automagicall as soon as it is installed iirc |
| 22:58.11 | stew | kaffien: for dhclient, "man interfaces" and /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 22:58.15 | valdyn | kaffien: aptitude install openssh-server |
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| 22:58.48 | stew | Symmetria: by mirrors@ do you mean http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors? that is the right place. |
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| 22:59.10 | Symmetria | stew mirrors@debig.org was the address I emailed :) |
| 22:59.18 | Symmetria | debian.org I mean |
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| 23:00.06 | kaffien | oops i almost used apt-get |
| 23:00.10 | kaffien | old habbits die hard |
| 23:00.16 | dacs | how can i check if a package is installed on my box |
| 23:00.27 | peppe | dpkg -l package |
| 23:00.27 | dpkg | No packages found matching package |
| 23:00.27 | dacs | apt-cache search |
| 23:01.00 | simonrvn | "habit" |
| 23:01.09 | peppe | dacs: nope, dpkg -l |
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| 23:01.50 | dacs | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 23:01.50 | dacs | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 23:01.51 | dacs | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 23:01.57 | themill | !paste |
| 23:01.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 23:02.13 | simonrvn | stop pasting here please |
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| 23:02.32 | nios | where can i change the login text when i log in to my server over ssh? |
| 23:02.46 | simonrvn | /etc/issue.net |
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| 23:03.02 | nios | thats ssh banner |
| 23:03.05 | themill | or motd |
| 23:03.16 | nios | ah |
| 23:03.17 | stew | nios: perhaps /var/run/motd then? |
| 23:03.17 | nios | that one |
| 23:03.20 | nios | motd |
| 23:03.22 | nios | thx |
| 23:03.28 | stew | nios: note, that one is replaced by bootmisc.sh at boot |
| 23:03.36 | simonrvn | you didn't specify |
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| 23:03.52 | stew | i should specify that it is beer o'clock |
| 23:03.55 | Tramp | I'd suggest motd.tail |
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| 23:03.58 | stew | happy friday |
| 23:04.01 | simonrvn | stew: have fun |
| 23:04.03 | themill | ;) |
| 23:04.05 | dutchfish | !beer stew |
| 23:04.27 | stew | a litre will be a good start |
| 23:04.32 | Aciid | yo, I bind programs to ports |
| 23:04.33 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 23:04.37 | Aciid | because of bastille |
| 23:04.41 | Aciid | so how can I change that? |
| 23:04.49 | dsl3054 | q |
| 23:05.22 | Aciid | how can I remove programs bind to port restriction after that its been made with bastille |
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| 23:07.59 | Agiofws | stew, what that app that fixes rcscripts ? |
| 23:08.13 | Agiofws | stops and atsrat them or enables and disables them ? |
| 23:08.23 | justin | Aciid: depends on the program, most likely edit its config file and comment out a line that says something like 'listen: localhost' |
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| 23:08.44 | myrick | hi ,, ;) what for a standart language uses debian ? en_EN |
| 23:08.47 | Aciid | justin: the limitation is in the kernel or somewhere else :S |
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| 23:09.01 | myrick | i have choosed a german installation but'l now change this with dkpg-reconfigure locale |
| 23:09.09 | netgear | got the auto login sorted out thanks |
| 23:09.29 | netgear | i have one question before i can remove my machines head |
| 23:09.41 | myrick | nobody know the lang locale ? |
| 23:09.46 | netgear | i need to give internet from my notebook to the headless machine |
| 23:09.53 | dutchfish | !locales |
| 23:09.53 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 23:10.10 | \amethyst | myrick: plural :) |
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| 23:10.14 | myrick | but'l now change this with dkpg-reconfigure locale |
| 23:10.17 | myrick | dutchfish !!!! |
| 23:10.34 | myrick | i'll only want to know what is the "standart" =)) |
| 23:10.38 | \amethyst | myrick: "locales" not "locale" |
| 23:10.41 | myrick | i know how :) |
| 23:10.46 | dutchfish | myrick, en_US? not sure |
| 23:10.53 | \amethyst | oh |
| 23:11.04 | \amethyst | myrick: en_US.UTF-8 probably |
| 23:11.09 | justin | Aciid: generally it is not the kernel |
| 23:11.12 | \amethyst | myrick: there isn't really a "standard" |
| 23:11.31 | myrick | kk but when i choose english at the installation |
| 23:11.32 | \amethyst | I guess C or POSIX locale is the standard |
| 23:11.33 | Aciid | justin: well however how can I get rid of it |
| 23:11.39 | myrick | it'll use en_US or ? |
| 23:11.46 | \amethyst | myrick: en_US.UTF-8 I believe |
| 23:11.53 | \amethyst | at least for recent versions of debian |
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| 23:11.58 | \amethyst | it used to be en_US |
| 23:12.01 | myrick | UTF 8 not iso8859 ? |
| 23:12.12 | themill | for etch, yes |
| 23:12.30 | myrick | so, standart: en_US UTF8 ;) ? |
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| 23:12.41 | myrick | for etch |
| 23:12.44 | myrick | Thank you =) |
| 23:12.58 | justin | Aciid: like I said before, it depends on the application |
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| 23:13.19 | Aciid | justin: the application is a IRCd |
| 23:13.28 | Aciid | and it doesn't want to be started as root |
| 23:13.45 | \amethyst | Aciid: what port is it trying to use? something below 1024? |
| 23:14.26 | Aciid | 4400 |
| 23:14.31 | Aciid | and 6668 |
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| 23:14.50 | Agiofws | hey there is an APP that makes easy the enabling / disabling of rc.scripts anyone know |
| 23:14.53 | justin | Aciid: an irc server shouldn't be running as root in the first place |
| 23:14.57 | Agiofws | its name ? |
| 23:15.04 | Aciid | justin: i just tryed it |
| 23:15.07 | Aciid | its not in the root |
| 23:15.10 | \amethyst | Agiofws: rcconf |
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| 23:15.13 | themill | update-rc.d |
| 23:15.19 | Agiofws | kk |
| 23:15.24 | \amethyst | update-rc.d isn't easy |
| 23:15.31 | DeathWolf | Mem: 1022164k total, 958024k used, 64140k free, 2888k buffers => How can I fin d where my memory is gone? top does not show anyone eating that much at all, and there isnt much running |
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| 23:15.41 | \amethyst | DeathWolf: look at the next line |
| 23:15.45 | \amethyst | DeathWolf: what does it say? |
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| 23:16.01 | dutchfish | DeathWolf, cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 23:16.45 | ward_ | how i can make a hotkey start a program of my choice? |
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| 23:17.00 | DeathWolf | dutchfish, \amethyst: http://pastebin.ca/851443 |
| 23:17.00 | \amethyst | DeathWolf: in particular, the "cached" value |
| 23:17.16 | DeathWolf | guess it's mostly cached then |
| 23:17.23 | \amethyst | !buffers |
| 23:17.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, buffers is Your kernel will use otherwise unused RAM as disk cache. This means your 'Free' measure in 'top' or 'free' will be WRONG. If you start programs, then the kernel will flush this data to disk, freeing the memory. Look at the '-/+ buffers/cache:' in the output of 'free -m' for a more useful value. |
| 23:17.24 | DeathWolf | Somehow in my memory buffers was swapped. |
| 23:17.28 | dutchfish | DeathWolf, thats normal linux like to cache |
| 23:17.41 | DeathWolf | So when I saw 3MB of Buffers, and 950MB used, I kind of freaked:) |
| 23:17.41 | \amethyst | ward_: using GNOME with metacity (the default GNOME window manager) |
| 23:17.46 | DeathWolf | But yeah, it's normal, I remember now:) |
| 23:18.17 | \amethyst | ward_: you'll need something like xbindkeys |
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| 23:22.13 | ward_ | \amethyst, and using matchbox? |
| 23:22.21 | ward_ | and just X11 |
| 23:22.37 | dacs | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.49 | Agiofws | \amethyst, this is driving me CRAZY agiofws@ixus:~$ shack Screenshot-6.png >>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot6fx0.png look at that rcconf APP what the FUCK is starting UP rtsp.statd or portmap ? what fsking runlevel ? |
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| 23:23.26 | acemi | dacs: --purge |
| 23:23.31 | simonrvn | Agiofws: S |
| 23:23.51 | dacs | acemi: thanks man |
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| 23:24.05 | SDr | hi |
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| 23:24.36 | SDr | erm, using time --format="real %e" somecommand returns -bash: --format=real %e: command not found |
| 23:24.38 | ward_ | \xbindkeys is probably gonna work i can apt-get it thanx :-) |
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| 23:24.40 | SDr | what gives? |
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| 23:24.48 | SDr | (debian 4) |
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| 23:25.55 | simonrvn | time could very well be a built-in; use full path |
| 23:26.18 | kevind23 | Uh. |
| 23:26.19 | Agiofws | i disabled S45mountnfs.sh S44nfs-common S46mountnfs-bootclean.shc in rc.S and the system would'nt even boot is this normal ? |
| 23:26.20 | kevind23 | Some retarded package I installed deleted fsck. |
| 23:26.22 | kevind23 | I need it back. Nao. |
| 23:26.23 | Agiofws | any help ? |
| 23:26.39 | kevind23 | My problem is more important. My system won't boot without fsck |
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| 23:27.31 | simonrvn | so install it... |
| 23:27.49 | maybeway36 | :P |
| 23:27.51 | Agiofws | kevind23, buy it iwth apt-get |
| 23:27.53 | simonrvn | Agiofws: yes. don't fuck with things you don;t understand |
| 23:28.01 | simonrvn | s,;,', |
| 23:28.10 | maybeway36 | you can't install fsck |
| 23:28.12 | maybeway36 | its included |
| 23:28.23 | Agiofws | i prefer to F with things that i don't know so i can learn or acheive my goal |
| 23:28.25 | kevind23 | Agiofws: There is no fsck package. |
| 23:28.30 | Agiofws | oh |
| 23:28.36 | maybeway36 | what error msg do you get on boot? |
| 23:28.40 | simonrvn | uh, yes you can |
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| 23:28.48 | Agiofws | kevind23, download it and compile it |
| 23:28.50 | SDr | erm, how can I fork a process in bash? |
| 23:28.54 | simonrvn | !tell maybeway36 -about search |
| 23:28.59 | maybeway36 | i thought debain came with fsck |
| 23:29.02 | maybeway36 | in e2fstools |
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| 23:29.16 | kevind23 | It did come with it, and it went missing SOMEHOW |
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| 23:29.36 | maybeway36 | :( |
| 23:29.37 | kevind23 | Maybe it just went out of my path or something.. what dir is it in (not /usr/bin or /usr/sbin I know that much) |
| 23:29.43 | Lokii- | i was wondering if anyone here has had any experience with installing the realtek alsa HD audio drivers |
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| 23:29.52 | maybeway36 | kdevind23: try /sbin; if that doesn't work reinstall e2fstools |
| 23:29.58 | Lokii- | i spent about 3hours on it last night |
| 23:30.07 | Lokii- | and i couldn't get the damn thing to even configure |
| 23:30.12 | Lokii- | brb phone |
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| 23:30.39 | GIRL_-_- | My Profile!! =====>> http://kolopetinitsa.myminicity.com/ |
| 23:30.45 | Lokii- | back |
| 23:31.03 | Maulkin | GIRL_-_-: Don't spam here please |
| 23:31.10 | GIRL_-_- | ok |
| 23:31.14 | GIRL_-_- | My Profile!! =====>> http://kolopetinitsa.myminicity.com/ |
| 23:31.14 | Lokii- | lol |
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| 23:31.26 | moshii | You know it's bad when you're in #debian looking for love |
| 23:31.40 | Lokii- | hahaha |
| 23:31.46 | kevind23 | er.. okay, it IS in /sbin, how do I get init to realize that? |
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| 23:31.49 | Kevin` | ^ mirc of course, and with a 1337 script |
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| 23:31.57 | mavhk | will you be my stable release? |
| 23:32.05 | Gorbulas | what is minicity? |
| 23:32.20 | Lokii- | kevin i have no idea what your tryuing todo but it sounds like you might wanna make a symbolic link to /usr/bin |
| 23:32.33 | kevind23 | sounds good to me, Lokii- |
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| 23:32.43 | {Nathan} | Damn, Debian is really pissing me off. |
| 23:32.48 | Lokii- | lol |
| 23:32.58 | GhostlyDeath | what does sync in fstab do? |
| 23:33.01 | moshii | kevind23: fsck should be in /sbin as its an administration util |
| 23:33.13 | Maulkin | Plus, haven;t they heared of while true; do wget foo; done; ? |
| 23:33.14 | Lokii- | u wanna be pised off install nix and then go back to win cuz of audio drivers in the middle of the night |
| 23:33.37 | Maulkin | {Nathan}: That's nice. Now, would you actually like to be specific so we can help? |
| 23:33.46 | Lokii- | maulkin |
| 23:33.51 | Lokii- | i was wondering if anyone here has had any experience with installing the realtek alsa HD audio drivers |
| 23:34.02 | moshii | Lokii-: what dist are you running? |
| 23:34.50 | Lokii- | ubuntu latest desktop |
| 23:34.50 | Lokii- | 1.70 |
| 23:34.50 | Lokii- | i beleive |
| 23:34.50 | Lokii- | gutsy |
| 23:34.50 | moshii | Lokii-: ett-ooor wrong answer |
| 23:34.50 | moshii | Lokii-: #ubuntu |
| 23:34.50 | Maulkin | Lokii-: you want to go to #ubuntu then |
| 23:35.03 | {Nathan} | Maulkin: Just a lot of different things. |
| 23:35.07 | Lokii- | its a linux prob not a ubuntu prob and its quite hecktik in there |
| 23:35.28 | Maulkin | Lokii-: No, it's an ubuntu problem, they distribute the kernel. |
| 23:35.41 | Maulkin | {Nathan}: So nothing in particular then. Fine. |
| 23:35.48 | Lokii- | the drivers are a third party software |
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| 23:36.03 | moshii | Lokii-: you probably need to install new alsa stuff using module-assistant.. but I dunno if ubuntu got round to downloading it off of ftp.debian.org yet |
| 23:36.37 | {Nathan} | Maulkin: yeah, basically. It's mostly just the repos. |
| 23:36.47 | Maulkin | Lokii-: I'm still failing to see how any of this is to do with Debian. |
| 23:36.59 | moshii | {Nathan}: you need to state your question |
| 23:37.08 | Maulkin | !ask |
| 23:37.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:37.11 | Maulkin | !not debian |
| 23:37.11 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 23:37.19 | moshii | {Nathan}: Start with what your trying to do and then what happens when you do it |
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| 23:39.02 | Lokii- | thanks moshii for the lil bit of help you offered up |
| 23:39.09 | Lokii- | later |
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| 23:42.35 | Peliask | Can someone help me please...I ahve the netinstall .iso, and I want to put it on my usb so I can boot off it and install debian off it |
| 23:42.49 | Peliask | What could I use for this? just copying the contants of the iso doesnt work |
| 23:43.01 | Agiofws | does someone know what package contains rpc.statd and portmap ? |
| 23:43.01 | Maulkin | Peliask: see the installation manual |
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| 23:43.10 | moshii | Peliask: there are images for installing from usb |
| 23:43.10 | Maulkin | !tell Agiofws about search |
| 23:43.21 | acemi | Agiofws: portmap |
| 23:43.23 | Peliask | moshii: etch r2 images? |
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| 23:43.37 | \amethyst | Agiofws: rpc.statd is nfs-common |
| 23:43.38 | themill | Agiofws: please learn to fish. /msg dpkg fish |
| 23:43.55 | \amethyst | Agiofws: are you using NFS? |
| 23:44.40 | moshii | Peliask: there is a section in the install manual for etch.. preparing files for usb.. |
| 23:44.54 | Maulkin | themill: Teach a man to fish, and he'll get a boat, go out into the middle of the lake, get drunk, do nothing, then come back and waah that their nvidia driver still isn't working. |
| 23:45.09 | themill | heh |
| 23:45.40 | kaffien | what is the package name for unrar? |
| 23:45.42 | Peliask | moshii: I need to do it through windows -.- |
| 23:45.49 | Peliask | kaffien: unrar |
| 23:45.51 | themill | !tell kaffien about search |
| 23:45.51 | moshii | kaffien: unrar |
| 23:45.53 | mavhk | give a man a website, solve a problem for a day, teach a man to search, he'll be watching youtube videos until the end of time, well, if he can get flash to work |
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| 23:46.41 | Peliask | moshii: is that possible? |
| 23:46.44 | \amethyst | Agiofws: portmap and nfs-common are both started from rcS.d usually |
| 23:46.57 | \amethyst | Agiofws: and they appear in your previous rcS.d paste, so there you go |
| 23:47.09 | moshii | Peliask: Never tried. Never been a windows user |
| 23:47.36 | acemi | kaffien: unrar is not in main. you need to add contrib or non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:47.51 | Peliask | ok..Does anyone know how to make a bootable usb key to install debian through w-w-w-windows? |
| 23:47.54 | dacs | iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.1.10 -d 10.1.15.1 -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT ... what if my -d is dynamic and my -s also changes |
| 23:48.00 | Agiofws | ok |
| 23:48.04 | Supaplex | !tell Peliask -about goodbye-windows.com |
| 23:48.26 | Agiofws | \amethyst, no i'm not using nfs |
| 23:48.52 | \amethyst | Agiofws: then uninstall nfs-common and portmap |
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| 23:49.10 | mavhk | Peliask: 386? |
| 23:49.14 | Peliask | yes |
| 23:49.22 | Peliask | I can't do that think Supaplex suggested |
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| 23:49.28 | Peliask | I'm putting debian on ANOTHER machine using USB |
| 23:49.37 | \amethyst | dacs: you want to allow SSH from anywhere to anywhere? |
| 23:49.45 | \amethyst | dacs: or is it a range? |
| 23:50.05 | Peliask | And I need to make a bootable usb to install debian (and I need to make this bootable usb on windows) |
| 23:50.13 | dacs | \amethyst: anywhere to anywhere |
| 23:50.13 | Peliask | for...another computer |
| 23:50.26 | Supaplex | Peliask: copy the boot.ini for comparison, and \debian onto the usb, copy \debian back onto c:, and modify boot.ini with care. that's all I can think of, from windows atm. |
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| 23:51.04 | Supaplex | Patina: but you'll need to run that mini-di installer loader first. it'll fetch the kernel, grub, initrd and any odds+ends etc. |
| 23:51.15 | \amethyst | dacs: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
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| 23:51.32 | Peliask | I can't use disks...asus eee doesnt have optican drive |
| 23:51.39 | Supaplex | moshii: I <3 u3 :) |
| 23:51.40 | Peliask | Supaplex: there is not /debian. |
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| 23:51.51 | Supaplex | Peliask: it is *after* you run it |
| 23:52.05 | Supaplex | Peliask: and it's c:\debian ... |
| 23:52.31 | Peliask | Will this .exe not mess up THIS computer? |
| 23:52.55 | Peliask | I'm pretty sure that it writes it's data in THIS bootloader |
| 23:53.05 | Supaplex | Peliask: it's non-intrusive. after you copy the files to the usb key, run the uninstaller and it'll clean itself up. |
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| 23:53.22 | Agiofws | i'll just disable them \amethyst |
| 23:53.25 | Peliask | ok |
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| 23:53.31 | Supaplex | Peliask: it modifies boot.ini, but the uninstaller will revert that (and the debian installer is the last choice) |
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| 23:54.33 | Vir4030 | http://blog.sillica.com/2008/01/11/koopa-died-in-a-haberdashery-accident/ |
| 23:54.53 | Patina | Supaplex: It seems my nick confuses your nick completion, so I will part. |
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| 23:55.14 | DeathWolf | hum |
| 23:55.25 | Supaplex | oops :P |
| 23:55.32 | DeathWolf | is there any reason grep -P is disabled?(ie no perl regexps) |
| 23:55.36 | DeathWolf | which is extremely useful |
| 23:55.44 | DeathWolf | (?!) patterns in particular |
| 23:56.07 | Peliask | Supaplex: There's three files in C:/Debian... |
| 23:56.16 | Peliask | initrd.gz, linux, uninstall.exe.. |
| 23:56.31 | DeathWolf | and pcregrep is very different |
| 23:56.35 | Supaplex | Peliask: yup. looks ok to me |
| 23:56.52 | Peliask | Supaplex: So..how am I supposed to edit boot.ini? |
| 23:57.03 | Peliask | Supaplex: if it doesnt exist |
| 23:57.15 | Supaplex | Peliask: oh, there should be grub in c:\ - maybe I should document this. are you sure that second pc has no internet access? |
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| 23:57.36 | Peliask | Supaplex: Second pc has internet, but has no os on it |
| 23:58.09 | \amethyst | DeathWolf: because then grep (which is in /bin) would be linked against libpcre (which is in /usr/lib) |
| 23:58.13 | Tramp | DeathWolf: iirc it is disabled, because it would require libpcre, which is in /usr which grep is in /bin |
| 23:58.28 | Tramp | s/which/while/ |
| 23:58.42 | \amethyst | DeathWolf: which means, for people with /usr on a separate FS, grep wouldn't work early in the boot process |
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| 23:58.54 | \amethyst | but it has to work early in the boot process (that's why it's in /bin) |
| 23:58.55 | DeathWolf | then it should have a pgrep version that's just grep with perl RE |
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| 23:59.03 | DeathWolf | and installed in /usr/bin |
| 23:59.33 | DeathWolf | The lack of -P is excruciating. |
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| 23:59.37 | Supaplex | Peliask: oh *grin*. I tested all of this stuff a few weeks ago, but it's not fresh in my memory. I don't recall how to modify boot.ini safely. I just know the installer takes care of it correctly in all the places I've tested it so far (windows me+2k3 is one exception thus far) |
| 23:59.37 | Tramp | DeathWolf: but that's the pcregrep you mentioned - or what am I missing here? |
| 23:59.41 | DeathWolf | no |
| 23:59.42 | DeathWolf | it's not |
| 23:59.46 | DeathWolf | pcregrep is some soup |
| 23:59.48 | Meztli-Xictli | hi !!!! |
| 23:59.51 | DeathWolf | the arguments are not the same |
| 23:59.57 | DeathWolf | and it does not have the same options |
