| 00:00.28 | \amethyst | cheetahj26: if you want to extract the music, you'll need a CD-ripping program |
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| 00:00.47 | cheetahj26 | can i play the music or does it have to be ripped first ? |
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| 00:02.00 | goauld | u can play it |
| 00:02.01 | \amethyst | cheetahj26: yes, you can play the music with lots of different programs |
| 00:02.29 | cheetahj26 | ok... just opened with xfmedia... its working... slow, but working |
| 00:02.41 | \amethyst | cheetahj26: slow? |
| 00:02.42 | cheetahj26 | is it like ripping each song first? |
| 00:03.03 | goauld | no |
| 00:03.06 | goauld | its direct playing |
| 00:03.10 | cheetahj26 | yeah the songs are showing up one by one in the playlist... but really slowly |
| 00:03.35 | \amethyst | that's odd... I've not used xfmedia |
| 00:03.49 | \amethyst | I use grip to play and rip audio CDs |
| 00:03.51 | cheetahj26 | ok its working now |
| 00:04.21 | cheetahj26 | all of these apps that have the prefix 'g' are they all necessarily for gnome ? |
| 00:04.29 | \amethyst | cheetahj26: ah, the cddb/freedb server might have been slow to respond |
| 00:04.50 | \amethyst | cheetahj26: not all of them... it often means "GTK+" or "GNU" |
| 00:05.08 | cheetahj26 | oh.. will grip work for xfce ? |
| 00:05.18 | \amethyst | yes |
| 00:05.27 | \amethyst | even GNOME programs will usually work in other DEs |
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| 00:08.47 | patagon | buenas |
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| 00:13.20 | patagon | buenas |
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| 00:14.05 | dbzdeath[lappy] | when upgrading distribution will apt-get automatically prompt me for every package where my config files are different asking me if i want to keep my version or install the package maintainer's version? |
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| 00:14.25 | kgoetz | dbzdeath[lappy]: it should do |
| 00:14.28 | karsten | dbzdeath[lappy]: Yes. |
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| 00:14.53 | dbzdeath[lappy] | is there any way to make it automatically choose to install the package maintainer's version? |
| 00:15.02 | karsten | dbzdeath[lappy]: Though that's configurable depending on the configuration of, IIRC, debconf or something like that. |
| 00:15.52 | karsten | dbzdeath[lappy]: In general I wouldn't go with that. |
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| 00:16.26 | karsten | dbzdeath[lappy]: You might set a preference for some packages and not others. There are instances in which the default configuration of packages simply won't work, or won't be appropriate. |
| 00:16.34 | ulrik | I need help configuring the function (fn) key on the laptop. How to set if fn+F1 or F1 alone triggers a "pure" F1 keycode? |
| 00:16.48 | dondelelcaro | ulrik: depends on the laptop |
| 00:17.03 | dbzdeath[lappy] | karsten: yeah well i'm sure there are some i would want the package maintainer's version of |
| 00:17.09 | patagon | alguien usa emesene en debian? |
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| 00:18.41 | ulrik | dondelelcaro: apple/ibook. I use mouseemu for right button emulation and pbbuttonsd just for sleep on close. It worked right before when I installed debian/lenny. now it suddenly reversed it's meaing (now "naked" F5 press raises volume and fn+F5 sends 'F5' keycode). I want to turn it back.. |
| 00:18.42 | karsten | dbzdeath[lappy]: The *safe* option is to default to the local instance. |
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| 00:19.58 | karsten | dbzdeath[lappy]: You can find maintainer's versions of config files by looking for *.dpkg-dist under /etc. |
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| 00:20.11 | dbzdeath[lappy] | karsten: oooh.. that's handy |
| 00:20.28 | \amethyst | patagon: it's not in debian, but you might contact Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@ubuntu.com>, who has filed an intent to package it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=442393 |
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| 00:21.47 | ulrik | dondelelcaro: it seems pbbuttonsd changed its behavior.. it had the default setting for this, but explicitly setting it fixed it. strange.. |
| 00:21.52 | jd_ | hello how do I host my own DNS on debian? |
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| 00:22.21 | dbzdeath[lappy] | jd_: install bind9? |
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| 00:23.28 | karsten | dbzdeath[lappy]: That said, you can configure this behavior through debconf. I'd recommend looking at chpaters 5 and 9 of Martin Krafft's "The Debian System" for more details. |
| 00:23.31 | jd_ | dbzdeath[lappy]: so I would do apt-get bind9? or what I have never used debian before and hosting my own dns is only way to over come cr@ppy winmodem I have unless I change ISP.... |
| 00:23.46 | jd_ | dbzdeath[lappy]: can you give me steps... |
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| 00:24.03 | Yanomami | how can i know if a chennle exist ? |
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| 00:24.19 | dbzdeath[lappy] | jd_: apt-get install bind9 |
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| 00:24.46 | dbzdeath[lappy] | for configuring bind.. you're on you're own.. google for a guide |
| 00:25.02 | karsten | Whomever I was just talking to: Marin Krafft's _The Debian System_ chapters 5 & 9 covers debconf and apt configuration. |
| 00:25.10 | karsten | dbzdeath[lappy]: ^^ |
| 00:25.16 | dbzdeath[lappy] | jd_: are you hosting a domain? or do you just want your own nameserver? |
| 00:25.28 | cheetahj26 | are there any graphical firewall commands, in redhat i use 'setup' or firewall packages recommended? |
| 00:25.55 | jd_ | dbzdeath[lappy]: my own |
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| 00:26.31 | dbzdeath[lappy] | jd_: install it with apt-get install bind9 and edit /etc/resolv.conf and enter nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
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| 00:26.35 | dbzdeath[lappy] | that should be it |
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| 00:27.32 | jd_ | dbzdeath[lappy]: its now part of dnsutils should I install that? |
| 00:27.35 | dbzdeath[lappy] | karsten: a book? is it online somewhere? |
| 00:27.43 | dbzdeath[lappy] | jd_: sure i guess? |
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| 00:27.59 | jd_ | dbzdeath[lappy]: thx lol ;) |
| 00:28.14 | jd_ | dbzdeath[lappy]: its already installed.... |
| 00:28.29 | karsten | dbzdeath[lappy]: Yes, a book. You can buy an electronic copy. I highly recommend it. |
| 00:28.32 | jd_ | so no one here runs there own home dns... |
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| 00:28.47 | dbzdeath[lappy] | jd_: well i actually do.. but don't use it much |
| 00:28.48 | DawnLight | jd_: dnsmasq is an easy nameserver |
| 00:28.48 | karsten | jd_: Several of us do. What's your question? |
| 00:28.56 | cheetahj26 | i run my own home dns... |
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| 00:29.27 | cheetahj26 | but its not something you can instruct in a few lines in chat |
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| 00:30.27 | jd_ | cheetahj25: I can on openBSD and Slackware I was hoping to do on Debian.... |
| 00:31.19 | cheetahj26 | actually i currently run mine on fedora, i plan on switching to debian soon, but havent done it yet |
| 00:34.38 | Saar | the warning apt/dpkg displays about installing the same version of the kernel which is currently running, should I religiously obey it and reboot asap opr can i ignore it? I have a user who i told to reboot (due to this same kernel version warning) after upgrading her debian system, but she is a bit forgetful and hasn't done so in 50+ days |
| 00:35.05 | cheetahj26 | i got everything working... thank you everyone - much appreciated |
| 00:35.09 | Saar | i reboot servers to be sure but can't force a user to do so |
| 00:35.14 | cheetahj26 | i think i will be much happier with debian |
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| 00:35.57 | DawnLight | is there a command to tell a name's ip? |
| 00:36.07 | Saar | host name |
| 00:36.19 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 00:36.31 | moshii | Saar: Ithink it only matters if you want to load more modules into the running kernel |
| 00:36.43 | Saar | oh |
| 00:37.28 | stiv2k | can someone explain how an NMOS and PMOS transistor works? |
| 00:37.48 | moshii | stiv2k: eh, this aint the place to ask |
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| 00:38.00 | stiv2k | moshii: yeah i know but i dont know where is the right place to ask |
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| 00:38.11 | stiv2k | i just need to know and anyone that knows i implore them to tell me :P |
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| 00:38.19 | Saar | #transistors ;-) |
| 00:38.34 | stiv2k | Saar: ... an empty channel |
| 00:38.34 | Saar | sorry i dont |
| 00:38.39 | moshii | stiv2k: wikipedia might contain some links to sites that contain corret info |
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| 00:38.41 | Saar | maybe wikipedia |
| 00:38.57 | moshii | stiv2k: or there are places called libraries ;) |
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| 00:39.05 | stiv2k | im creeping wikipedia now |
| 00:39.10 | stiv2k | but not much relevant info :/ |
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| 00:39.56 | moshii | stiv2k: there's an nmos logic page that should be helpful |
| 00:40.00 | Nostahl | wow dist-upgrade takes a while lol |
| 00:40.16 | simonrvn | it can, if you have a lot installed |
| 00:40.34 | Nostahl | fresh install of etch |
| 00:40.39 | Nostahl | and then straight to upgrade to lenny |
| 00:40.43 | moshii | stiv2k: or the mosfet page |
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| 00:42.48 | signuts | ANyone know how to get large file support in debian's PHP ? |
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| 00:47.52 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know if there is etch 64bit ? |
| 00:48.13 | wols_ | there is |
| 00:48.32 | wols_ | actually there are several 64bit debian platforms |
| 00:48.40 | rocketmagnet | what you mean ? |
| 00:48.59 | rocketmagnet | with "different debian platforms" |
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| 00:49.33 | cpro | wols: hi, what shoud I use for an AMD 64 |
| 00:49.42 | simonrvn | different architectures and sub-archs |
| 00:49.44 | wols_ | I mean there is amd64, ia64, sparc64, HPPA, mips64 |
| 00:49.51 | vlt | Hello. I got a load of "1.00 1.00 1.00" on a nearly idle machine for more than 60 hours now. This is a vmstat line "1 0 7776 79244 7980 82032 0 0 0 12 1793 735 0 0 100 0", this the output of `top`: http://pastebin.ca/844996 -- Any idea how to find out what causes this suspicious exact load of 1.00? |
| 00:49.54 | wols_ | cpro: amd64 obviously |
| 00:49.57 | usuario | hi some one can help me with a doubt with wine? |
| 00:50.04 | simonrvn | ppc64 |
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| 00:50.27 | simonrvn | usuario: you mean 'problem'? |
| 00:50.27 | cpro | wols/ which version and in case of ubuntu? |
| 00:50.39 | vlt | !anyone | usuario |
| 00:50.45 | wols_ | cpro: we don't know about ubuntu |
| 00:51.04 | wols_ | simonrvn: ppc is dead :P |
| 00:51.07 | cpro | wols_: wel its based on debian |
| 00:51.14 | wols_ | !based on debian |
| 00:51.14 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 00:51.22 | wols_ | now go back to ubuntu or install debian |
| 00:51.33 | simonrvn | in your mind |
| 00:51.36 | rocketmagnet | oh, sry for that question ;) |
| 00:51.58 | cpro | wols8: OK I'm sorry |
| 00:52.08 | rocketmagnet | wols_: what images do i need for an intel core 2 duo ? |
| 00:52.10 | usuario | i want to install a windows app but wine says me that i am not admin, so i try install the app with root and works but it keep in /root/.wine |
| 00:52.12 | rocketmagnet | ia64 ? |
| 00:52.22 | wols_ | rocketmagnet: amd64 |
| 00:52.28 | rocketmagnet | for intel ? |
| 00:52.29 | usuario | how i can install this app like a normal user? |
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| 00:54.00 | simonrvn | usuario: that's a wine thing, ask in #winehq |
| 00:54.30 | usuario | ok |
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| 00:58.08 | Nyle | hi |
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| 00:59.34 | Nostahl | woot dist-upgrade is done |
| 00:59.48 | cheetahj26 | for some reason i can't startx as any other user than the one i originally created during setup |
| 01:00.04 | cheetahj26 | i get a no home directory error when logging in , |
| 01:00.14 | cheetahj26 | do i have to create a user a special way ? |
| 01:00.24 | wols_ | how did you create the user? |
| 01:00.27 | Nostahl | it says some errors while processing were encountered.... hal/update-notifier//gnome-mount/gnome-power-management/gnome-volume-manager/network-manager/network-manager-gnome/sound-juicer |
| 01:00.29 | cheetahj26 | useradd name |
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| 01:00.42 | wols_ | !tell Nostahl about bat |
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| 01:00.58 | wols_ | cheetahj26: does the new user's home directory exist? |
| 01:01.09 | cheetahj26 | no |
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| 01:01.30 | cheetahj26 | do you think just simply creating it, will solve the problem ? |
| 01:01.35 | wols_ | that's should be a big fscking clue |
| 01:01.48 | Knorrie | !fsck |
| 01:01.48 | dpkg | hmm... fsck is a file system integrity checker, or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck |
| 01:02.02 | wols_ | cheetahj26: man useradd |
| 01:02.13 | wols_ | cheetahj26: read the description |
| 01:02.28 | jeroenimo | apt trouble, who can give me the hint, I'm trying to apt-get dist-upgrade but I need to get to a 2.6 kernel glib needs to be updated, but I get this error http://pastebin.ca/848859 |
| 01:02.55 | jeroenimo | I've got my source.list set to "testing" |
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| 01:03.02 | wols_ | jeroenimo: did you try a sarge->etch upgrade? |
| 01:03.09 | jeroenimo | wols_: yups |
| 01:03.10 | dontpanic0 | I am running Debian Etch and I can't get samba working. I can't connect to it from remote computers, or even smb://localhost. I verified that the config file is exactly the same as the config on my ubuntu machine on which samba is working great. "smbclient -M" works fine from the Debian computer. Help is much appreciated. |
| 01:03.30 | Maulkin | dontpanic0: did you follow the instructions? |
| 01:03.32 | wols_ | jeroenimo: you didn't read the release notes and didn't follow them |
| 01:03.37 | wols_ | !tell jeroenimo about sarge->etch |
| 01:03.44 | wols_ | jeroenimo: btw: we don't understand dutch |
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| 01:03.59 | rocketmagnet | wols_: are you sure i need the amd64 isos ?? |
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| 01:04.05 | jeroenimo | wols_: I know, but this system is set to dutch ! |
| 01:04.14 | dontpanic0 | I don't know where to find instructions, it installed with the system. |
| 01:04.15 | jeroenimo | wols_: lemme read the release notes |
| 01:04.30 | dontpanic0 | I can access smb://tsrk3/print$ though |
| 01:04.39 | wols_ | rocketmagnet: no. with the amount of what you know you should use the i386 ones but you want 64bit debian for some probably misguided reason |
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| 01:05.02 | rocketmagnet | what should i do with 4gb ram instead ?? |
| 01:05.11 | rocketmagnet | wols_: ^^^ |
| 01:05.14 | wols_ | tun a bigmem kernel |
| 01:05.23 | moshii | rocketmagnet: you can access 4gb+ without 64bit support |
| 01:05.25 | wols_ | and I really doubt you need more than 3.5GB of it |
| 01:05.33 | wols_ | moshii: no he can't |
| 01:05.34 | rocketmagnet | hehe... |
| 01:05.38 | rocketmagnet | don't think so |
| 01:05.46 | rocketmagnet | much rendering done on the machine |
| 01:05.55 | rocketmagnet | with 64bit blender |
| 01:06.01 | wols_ | then do what I said |
| 01:06.04 | rocketmagnet | amd64 |
| 01:06.08 | rocketmagnet | k |
| 01:06.15 | rocketmagnet | do you know why they name it amd ? |
| 01:06.18 | moshii | wols_: you can with pae.. |
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| 01:06.34 | wols_ | moshii: he has no PAE |
| 01:07.12 | rocketmagnet | the amd name confuses me |
| 01:07.23 | wols_ | rocketmagnet: why did they name the other "i385" when it runs fine on my athlon? |
| 01:07.35 | wols_ | *i386 |
| 01:07.42 | moshii | rocketmagnet: amd got their 64bit extension to the already shitty x86 arch first |
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| 01:09.49 | dvs | Nyle_: Hi imposter! |
| 01:09.52 | rocketmagnet | moshii: i do much graphic stuff, and buyed a new pc today and it was in my money limit, so i just buyed it... |
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| 01:10.08 | rocketmagnet | the rams are realy cheap at the moment |
| 01:10.18 | rocketmagnet | debian 4.0 is etch right ? |
| 01:10.21 | wols_ | yes |
| 01:10.24 | dvs | rocketmagnet: right |
| 01:10.31 | rocketmagnet | ty |
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| 01:10.50 | moshii | rocketmagnet: buyed should be bought btw |
| 01:11.01 | dvs | rocketmagnet: do you have a fast internet connection? |
| 01:11.06 | rocketmagnet | my english is terrible |
| 01:11.12 | rocketmagnet | thank you for the correction |
| 01:11.38 | Luria | im trying to install build-essential on etch and the install hangs. i think its gcc. apt-get just stops at: 70% [Working] |
| 01:11.45 | moshii | little things make the difference between being terrible and good. :) |
| 01:11.58 | Luria | is there something i should know/look for? |
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| 01:11.59 | dvs | moshii: badder and gooder! |
| 01:12.02 | rocketmagnet | dvs: why you want to know ? |
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| 01:12.09 | xsystemx | I need to copy something via scp, how can I add ssh key to known_hosts? |
| 01:12.15 | moshii | Luria: it's still downloading the packages |
| 01:12.16 | dvs | rocketmagnet: you only need to download the netinst if you have a fast connection |
| 01:12.28 | moshii | Luria: maybe try another mirror |
| 01:12.53 | rocketmagnet | i like to have them on a disk for later usage |
| 01:12.57 | dvs | ok |
| 01:12.59 | rocketmagnet | but ty for the tip |
| 01:13.11 | DawnLight | Luria: are you running etch? what is the command you used to install it? |
| 01:13.15 | rocketmagnet | i just need the first dvd iso ? |
| 01:13.16 | Luria | it shouldnt be that slow. i guess ill try another mirror. recommendations for north east us? |
| 01:13.22 | dvs | rocketmagnet: yup |
| 01:13.26 | Luria | yes, etch. vanilla install. |
| 01:13.32 | moshii | it's better to use the image with base just incase the install cocks up after it's installed the base system ;) |
| 01:13.40 | Luria | apt-get, and synaptic both hang |
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| 01:13.47 | DawnLight | rocketmagnet: having them three is nice |
| 01:13.54 | moshii | Luria: ftp.debian.org automagically chooses a mirror now I think |
| 01:13.58 | Luria | (working via nx) |
| 01:14.09 | DawnLight | ftp sucks. use http |
| 01:14.10 | ph6 | rocketmagnet: try netinstall, the best choice |
| 01:14.22 | dvs | DawnLight: are you kidding? ftp is more reliable |
| 01:14.30 | DawnLight | ftp must die |
| 01:14.31 | Luria | mind you, other packages seem to be fine. |
| 01:14.34 | moshii | DawnLight: ftp.debian.org supports both |
| 01:15.21 | moshii | DawnLight: http should die, then we wouldn't have to be subjected to all this web 2.0 crap |
| 01:15.47 | ph6 | Luria: forget about apt-get and use aptitude |
| 01:16.11 | Luria | why? |
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| 01:16.27 | dvs | Luria: it's the recommended way now |
| 01:16.28 | DawnLight | http is a protocol. a reasonable one. protocols don't make horrible trends. people do |
| 01:17.05 | Luria | (also color ncurses is borked in my nx session. was actually hoping to compile xrdp, hence gcc) |
| 01:17.30 | ph6 | Luria: http://www.pthree.org/2007/08/12/aptitude-vs-apt-get/ |
| 01:17.38 | DawnLight | Luria: nx isn't in debian |
| 01:17.58 | Luria | i know |
| 01:18.08 | DawnLight | i wish it were free |
| 01:18.26 | DawnLight | would've tried it |
| 01:18.30 | Luria | isnt freenx open? |
| 01:18.41 | wols_ | !freenx |
| 01:18.42 | dpkg | freenx is, like, a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 01:19.05 | Luria | i still have to use a crappy closed source windows client |
| 01:19.17 | DawnLight | omg |
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| 01:20.08 | moshii | Luria: do you need to use a desktop to do what your doing ;) |
| 01:20.31 | DawnLight | ssh loves ya |
| 01:20.34 | Luria | yes, im setting up a dev machine for maemo |
| 01:20.49 | Luria | coding and cross compiling i can do cli |
| 01:21.05 | moshii | Luria: why not use x over ssh? |
| 01:21.05 | Luria | but i need x for testing apps |
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| 01:21.39 | Luria | cause x over ssh kinda sucks and is a bandwidth hog. |
| 01:21.56 | Luria | security isnt much of an issue, its already going through openvpn |
| 01:21.57 | moshii | Luria: redirect only the add you're using |
| 01:22.02 | Supaplex | behold ssh with compression |
| 01:22.02 | DawnLight | ssh -X <x-client> |
| 01:22.03 | phogg | Luria: netcat drw |
| 01:22.06 | phogg | er, ftw |
| 01:22.09 | moshii | s/add/app |
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| 01:22.53 | Luria | windows notebook. |
| 01:23.14 | Luria | x redirects are a bid cludgy. |
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| 01:23.42 | Luria | but im more concerned that build-essential wont install |
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| 01:24.22 | moshii | Luria: It's not at the point that it's even started installing in your case.. |
| 01:24.30 | Luria | i know |
| 01:24.51 | Luria | ok, off to find a repo that works |
| 01:24.51 | moshii | Luria: make sure you haven't run out of disk and that the mirror you use isn't broked |
| 01:25.01 | Luria | plenty of disk space |
| 01:25.10 | moshii | ftp.country.debian.org |
| 01:25.20 | Luria | /dev/hda1 53G 4.8G 46G 10% / |
| 01:25.22 | Luria | :-) |
| 01:25.45 | moshii | and /var is on that fs? |
| 01:25.45 | Luria | moshii, will try that right now |
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| 01:26.03 | Luria | yes, one big partition |
| 01:26.06 | cheetahj26 | for some reason my cdrom mounts under one user and not another |
| 01:26.20 | DawnLight | compiling ocaml is boring |
| 01:26.20 | dvs | cheetahj25: part of the cdrom group? |
| 01:26.21 | moshii | cheetahj26: adduser username cdrom |
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| 01:27.21 | cheetahj26 | there is a cdrom group ? |
| 01:27.30 | DawnLight | i managed to backport mldonkey |
| 01:27.31 | dvs | yup |
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| 01:29.00 | mogra | Starting GDM Xorg throws up a (WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (no such file or directory). X hangs and this is the only error in the log. |
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| 01:29.18 | wal | anyone got an opinion on mod_throttle for apache ? |
| 01:29.25 | Luria | goddamn. i sorry. |
| 01:29.29 | Luria | im sorry. |
| 01:29.49 | Luria | sources.list still had a reference to the cd |
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| 01:29.58 | wal | or any other component to rate limit apache |
| 01:30.01 | moshii | mogra: install the acpi stuff and try again |
| 01:30.16 | Luria | hence, it never got to the repos |
| 01:30.17 | DawnLight | Luria: nice one |
| 01:30.28 | Luria | i didnt do that :-/ |
| 01:30.35 | DawnLight | right |
| 01:30.56 | Luria | but i should have checked |
| 01:31.11 | Luria | mea culpa. |
| 01:31.13 | wols_ | moshii: warnings are not errors |
| 01:31.13 | mogra | moshii: I forgot to mention, this started after an abrupt power outage. |
| 01:31.20 | wols_ | mogra: ^^ |
| 01:31.43 | mogra | wols_: I know this, hence why I'm scratching my head here... |
| 01:31.48 | wols_ | mogra: is your acpid is running? |
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| 01:32.23 | moshii | mogra: maybe you have some disk corruption then |
| 01:33.57 | mogra | That's what I'm thinking, and /etc/init.d/acpid is not there |
| 01:35.19 | mogra | bbl, cooking food for wife > fixing wife's computer |
| 01:36.07 | DawnLight | fix wife's computer to cook wife's food |
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| 01:36.29 | dvs | must have a Pentium 4. ;-) |
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| 01:37.11 | moshii | <slashdotmode>you have a wife?!?!?!<\slashdotmode> |
| 01:37.29 | kgoetz | *grin* |
| 01:38.27 | mogra | hehe, ok, I'm just making something simple that can cook on its own. |
| 01:39.56 | mogra | anywho... |
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| 01:42.28 | mogra | I'm reinstalling acpid, seeing if that'll help |
| 01:42.54 | moshii | mogra: use debsums to see if anything got mashed by the power outage too |
| 01:43.45 | mogra | moshii: i chose to re-DL the pkg files |
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| 01:48.12 | saftsack | hi, how can i reinstall a package which is still installed? (i deleted some files) |
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| 01:49.49 | Supaplex | saftsack: where they conffiles? |
| 01:50.07 | mogra | starting acpid - 6 module already loaded msgs, battery, device, to name a couple, and then /proc/acpi/event "device or resource busy" |
| 01:50.29 | trumpen | saftsack: try apt-get install --reinstall |
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| 01:50.41 | Supaplex | !tell saftsack -about confmiss |
| 01:50.52 | Supaplex | saftsack: just incase you nuked any conf files. |
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| 01:51.40 | saftsack | Supaplex, thanks but i installed libsasl by source and now i want to have the old files |
| 01:52.00 | saftsack | but libsasl has too much dependencies so i just want to reinstall it |
| 01:52.06 | saftsack | apt-get install libsasl2 --reinstall |
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| 01:52.07 | saftsack | this way? |
| 01:52.24 | Supaplex | saftsack: if you installed by source, hopefully it used /usr/local |
| 01:52.32 | mbroeker | http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed§Hdr=on&spellToler=on&search=saftsack&relink=on |
| 01:52.34 | mbroeker | lol |
| 01:52.35 | Supaplex | saftsack: apt-get install --reinstall libsasl2 |
| 01:52.52 | Supaplex | shot22: hello fellow utahn :) |
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| 01:53.32 | shot22 | supaplex: slc? |
| 01:54.06 | saftsack | Supaplex, ok it worked both ways but now i still get the new version shown by doing saslauthd -v |
| 01:54.06 | saftsack | and not the debian one |
| 01:54.53 | Supaplex | shot22: close to Hill AFB |
| 01:55.24 | Supaplex | saftsack: deinstall the old one. I bet it's hiding in /usr/local. type "which saslauthd" to see where it's finding it. |
| 01:56.44 | shot22 | Supaplex: ahh the other end of our smoggy valley.. |
| 01:57.08 | Supaplex | yup |
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| 01:58.01 | saftsack | Supaplex, both binaries are version 2.1.22 |
| 01:58.40 | saftsack | and not 2.1.19 which is delivered by apt-get |
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| 01:59.44 | saftsack | saslauthd 2.1.19 |
| 01:59.44 | saftsack | authentication mechanisms: sasldb getpwent kerberos5 pam rimap shadow lda |
| 01:59.46 | saftsack | :) |
| 01:59.51 | Supaplex | saftsack: sounds like you're better off purging sasl and any remanants, and then reinstalling. I think you have overlap from source still. |
| 02:00.27 | Supaplex | I had this problem with nvidia drivers ages ago |
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| 02:07.10 | saftsack | Supaplex, you're right but then i have to install all the dependendent packages on libsasl2 |
| 02:10.13 | Decepticon | how can i disable root login for ssh except from a certain ip |
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| 02:11.18 | Supaplex | saftsack: there is a way to force just purging libsasl2, but I don't recall atm. |
| 02:11.34 | saftsack | kk |
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| 02:12.17 | DawnLight | Decepticon: etch doesn't have that option |
| 02:12.30 | Decepticon | i keep getting random idiots trying to root me |
| 02:12.43 | Decepticon | random idiots trying to ssh to me and trying to guess my root password |
| 02:12.45 | DawnLight | Decepticon: there are several solutions |
| 02:13.03 | Decepticon | my auth.log is full of it |
| 02:13.20 | DawnLight | Decepticon: either use keys and disable PasswordAuthentication |
| 02:13.44 | vile_maxim | What are people doing to solve spam problems these days. Doesn't seem Spamassassin is enough. Any suggestions? |
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| 02:14.07 | wols_ | saftsack: use dpkg |
| 02:14.27 | wols_ | and I doubt your saslauthd comes from the libsasl2 package |
| 02:14.41 | saftsack | sasl2-bin |
| 02:14.49 | saftsack | purged it and reinstalled it |
| 02:14.55 | wols_ | Decepticon: why would you want to allow root logins in the first place |
| 02:14.57 | DawnLight | Decepticon: or use... there's a good script that blacklists ips... i'll try to remember |
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| 02:15.10 | wols_ | !fail2ban |
| 02:15.10 | dpkg | fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with <ssh> and <iptables>, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. |
| 02:15.16 | Decepticon | wols_ okay thats a good idea in itself then, how do i disable root login for ssh |
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| 02:15.34 | wols_ | it should be disabled by default. otherwise: sshd config file |
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| 02:16.53 | DawnLight | Decepticon: denyhosts. that's the name. neat little bugger |
| 02:17.01 | Decepticon | cool |
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| 02:17.31 | DawnLight | i use it when i have to use passwords instead of keys |
| 02:17.41 | goretex | hi!!!! |
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| 02:17.50 | DawnLight | or else i know i'll get brute-forced |
| 02:17.54 | Jonny_ | s |
| 02:18.05 | wols_ | DawnLight: he's have to blaclist every single ip in that file (not a script) |
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| 02:18.22 | wols_ | kinda sucks to do it that way |
| 02:18.35 | DawnLight | wols_: i don't get it |
| 02:18.36 | goretex | when i compile another kernel.... i got to instal firmware again?, or exist another form to use the same firmware??? |
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| 02:18.49 | DawnLight | what file |
| 02:19.24 | wols_ | DawnLight: misread. mean hosts.deny |
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| 02:19.38 | wols_ | goretex: what "firmware"? |
| 02:19.43 | xuser | whats the name of the X package? |
| 02:19.56 | wols_ | xuser: for an xserver, install "xorg" |
| 02:20.10 | Decepticon | im looking in sshd's manpage, i dont see anyhting about disabling root login... i dont see anything in /etc/ssh/sshd_config about disabling rootlogin either |
| 02:20.19 | Penix | Decepticon: you're not looking hard enough then |
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| 02:20.20 | Kevin` | goretex are you using a nromal pc-like computer or something that actually has "firmware" you put an OS in? |
| 02:20.22 | xuser | wols_: ok |
| 02:20.41 | DawnLight | Decepticon: it is there |
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| 02:20.47 | wols_ | Decepticon: PermitRootLogin |
| 02:20.53 | DawnLight | right |
| 02:21.15 | wols_ | DawnLight: btw, sshd_config has its own |
| 02:21.21 | Decepticon | ah |
| 02:21.24 | Decepticon | i see it |
| 02:21.26 | DawnLight | wols_: it's own what |
| 02:21.37 | wols_ | oops. was for Decepticon. manpage |
| 02:21.50 | goretex | wols Kevin: the firmware of my super usb adsl modem :S |
| 02:21.55 | Decepticon | oh, sshd_config has its own manpage too |
| 02:21.56 | DawnLight | wols_: go to sleep |
| 02:21.56 | Decepticon | i didnt know that |
| 02:22.01 | Kevin` | goretex you want debian on your adsl modem? |
| 02:22.26 | wols_ | goretex: you will need to install it again |
| 02:22.43 | wols_ | Kevin`: his adslmodem is so shitty it needs its firmware loaded from PC before it works |
| 02:23.02 | goretex | wols got rigth |
| 02:23.04 | DawnLight | omg i've never heard of such a thin |
| 02:23.36 | Penix | and you thought winmodem's sucked |
| 02:23.44 | wols_ | Penix: it IS a winmodem |
| 02:23.49 | wols_ | just for dsl instead of dialup |
| 02:23.54 | DawnLight | throw it in the bin |
| 02:24.13 | wols_ | goretex: buy a router. with an eterhnet jack |
| 02:24.16 | Decepticon | wols_ i have a pretty default sshd_config... you said that by default debian etch doesnt allow PermitRootLogin in sshd_config? it didnt seem to be that way in my computer... :( |
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| 02:24.38 | wols_ | Decepticon: I said it shouldn't allow. just change it and restart ssh |
| 02:24.45 | Decepticon | alright |
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| 02:25.36 | goretex | wols_ Kevin: but: firmware const of 2 part 1 module and the rigth called firmware (easy to instal)... i asked to some way to use the same module... |
| 02:25.52 | DustyBin | goretex: dont buy a box with everything built in, ie.firewall,router,dsl,wireless, instead buy a straight forward modem and network it to a pfsense box :D |
| 02:25.57 | wols_ | goretex: only if you use the same kernel versin. otherwise: recompile the module |
| 02:26.08 | wols_ | DustyBin: wrong |
| 02:26.13 | Kevin` | "recompile" scares most people |
| 02:26.31 | DustyBin | wols_: why? |
| 02:26.31 | wols_ | DustyBin: do you know what this pfsense box costs in electricity? especially now that there are linux based routers out there? |
| 02:26.41 | Decepticon | arent i supposed to get kicked off of ssh when i restart sshd |
| 02:26.43 | wols_ | Kevin`: he already recompiles a kernel |
| 02:26.50 | wols_ | Decepticon: no |
| 02:26.53 | goretex | im form argentia!!! shit stuff like this are over 110$$$ and im a student!!! |
| 02:27.13 | Decepticon | oh thats neat |
| 02:27.17 | Decepticon | hows sshd manage that |
| 02:27.28 | DustyBin | wols_: by looking at this mobo, not much electricity at all: http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2c3.htm |
| 02:27.34 | wols_ | Decepticon: the magic of UNIX (a well designed OS) |
| 02:27.54 | Penix | yeah, coz the motherboard's your only problem |
| 02:28.15 | wols_ | DustyBin: it costs a bit more than a cheapo taiwan routerbox |
| 02:28.21 | Azar | hahahahahahaha!!! quoted comment: "What? Somebody is forking Apt? ;-)" |
| 02:28.25 | wols_ | plus those routerboxes can do VoIP too now. your mobo can't |
| 02:28.52 | wols_ | DustyBin: there is no economic sense in using a real PC for routing |
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| 02:29.19 | wols_ | neither at buying time not at running costs |
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| 02:29.56 | Bra_Wearer_Samue | Visit your local men wearing bras message board today! |
| 02:30.03 | Penix | oh ffs. not again |
| 02:30.06 | Bra_Wearer_Samue | Any other guys here wear bras? |
| 02:30.14 | Penix | !ops Bra_Wearer_Samue is a moron again |
| 02:30.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: penix complains about: Bra_Wearer_Samue is a moron again |
| 02:30.17 | DustyBin | wols_: that mobo can do VOIP if you install this onto it: http://askozia.com/pbx |
| 02:30.28 | wols_ | DustyBin: this mobo has already 6 VLSI chips but no wlan, no flash, no case, etc.. it will use a lot more juice than some 2-3 chip AR7 based box |
| 02:30.38 | mentor | arg |
| 02:30.38 | Bra_Wearer_Samue | Every guy should try wearing a bra |
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| 02:30.57 | DustyBin | wols_: do you have a link |
| 02:30.59 | wols_ | DustyBin: no it cannot: I cannot plug in ANY normal POTS phone. I can do it with my taiwan routerbox |
| 02:31.22 | wols_ | DustyBin: for VoIP you need additional hardware |
| 02:31.28 | DustyBin | ok |
| 02:31.37 | wols_ | Azar: I don't wear pants either |
| 02:31.44 | Azar | hahahaha :) |
| 02:32.53 | Kevin` | j ##hardware |
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| 02:34.22 | xuser | what is the equivalent of 'xorgconfig' in debian? |
| 02:34.46 | Kevin` | xuser dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is a proper method |
| 02:35.07 | xuser | Kevin`: ok |
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| 02:39.04 | xuser | can it be run from ssh? all it ask me was to configure the keyboard |
| 02:39.27 | wols_ | yes it can |
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| 02:40.31 | xuser | why did it only ask me to configure the keyboard and exit? |
| 02:40.43 | wols_ | xuser: what debian version is this? |
| 02:41.04 | xuser | wols_: sid |
| 02:41.40 | wols_ | dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium xserver-xorg |
| 02:42.03 | wols_ | if it still only asks you about keyboard layout: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 02:42.57 | xuser | wols_: ii libc6 2.7-5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 02:43.27 | Azar | what a cool idea with aptoncd |
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| 02:45.11 | wols_ | xuser: dpkg-reconfigude -fdialog -plow xserver-xorg |
| 02:45.40 | DawnLight | how can i see the current traffic going through the interfaces? |
| 02:45.59 | wols_ | DawnLight: iptraf, ntop, wireshark, etc |
| 02:46.08 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 02:59.36 | colera | !libdvdcss |
| 02:59.36 | dpkg | i heard libdvdcss is NOT in Debian - USA residents who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. For filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian and ask about <marillat> or <debian-unofficial> |
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| 03:02.04 | cizzi | last time I installed debian with netinst it put kernel 2.6.18 (this was about a month ago), when i run netinst from the same cd in a new computer will it install a newer kernel automatically or do I need to download a recent copy of netinst? |
| 03:02.13 | Azar | really! a cuba-libre free trip |
| 03:02.34 | DawnLight | cizzi: the kernel in debian stable is 2.6.18 |
| 03:02.42 | cizzi | oh so it hasnt changed |
| 03:02.48 | cizzi | if it were to change netinstall will download it? |
| 03:03.06 | Azar | cizzi: the installer itself contains the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 03:03.10 | DawnLight | your netinstall iso is etch |
| 03:03.18 | cizzi | allright |
| 03:03.19 | DawnLight | etch will always remain with 2.6.18 |
| 03:03.28 | cizzi | got it |
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| 03:03.32 | cizzi | next major release things will change |
| 03:03.36 | cizzi | and a new iso will be required |
| 03:03.40 | Azar | cizzi: or you could backport a higher kernel later |
| 03:03.55 | DawnLight | debian is a slow-paced distro |
| 03:04.00 | cizzi | oh ok |
| 03:04.04 | cizzi | thats fine |
| 03:04.10 | Azar | DawnLight: so I heard that etch will get a higher kernel after half life |
| 03:04.24 | cizzi | i'm gonna order a mb soon and wanted to make sure it works with etc.. how can I check |
| 03:04.26 | DawnLight | etch and a half? |
| 03:04.26 | cizzi | the components |
| 03:04.51 | Azar | DawnLight: towards its end life as a stable release |
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| 03:04.59 | DawnLight | cizzi: if you buy something cutting edge, it might have problems |
| 03:05.11 | cizzi | is g33 express chipset considered cutting edge? |
| 03:05.14 | cizzi | i just want quad core support |
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| 03:05.33 | Azar | cizzi: newer hardware and drivers are "not" built with Debian/Linux GNU in mind |
| 03:05.46 | cizzi | yeah |
| 03:05.50 | Azar | quad core support nobody has as of today |
| 03:06.04 | Azar | they "barely" managed to support duo |
| 03:06.09 | cizzi | so debian wouldnt make use of it |
| 03:06.18 | Azar | not in the next 5 years |
| 03:06.28 | cizzi | how about core 2 |
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| 03:06.55 | DawnLight | cizzi: you can buy amd to support open source. they are less evil |
| 03:06.57 | Azar | not sure, I know it handles amd64.. |
| 03:07.13 | cizzi | amd? cool |
| 03:07.14 | Davo_Dinkum | what voip or voice chat program runs on testing and supports wengo accounts? |
| 03:07.16 | cizzi | never had an amd cpu |
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| 03:07.32 | Azar | cizzi: I am not sure if linux in general handles hyperthreading yet |
| 03:07.37 | DawnLight | my athlon64X2 rocks with debian stable |
| 03:07.45 | cizzi | i thoguht the quad core was a physical hardware feature |
| 03:07.47 | cizzi | and not software |
| 03:07.55 | Azar | cizzi: I only used amd all my computing life |
| 03:08.07 | Kevin` | cizzi Azar linux handles hyperthreading, and quad-core processors are physically 4, not virtual |
| 03:08.34 | Azar | cizzi: the software communities (free and non free) are usually behind 2 years to the new hardware promotions |
| 03:08.56 | kgoetz | depends what software your talking about |
| 03:08.56 | Azar | thank you Kevin` for the info |
| 03:08.56 | cizzi | g33 express isnt cutter edge |
| 03:08.59 | cizzi | they're up to x38 i think |
| 03:09.10 | cizzi | with p35 in between |
| 03:09.30 | rj-away | doesn't quadcore just look like smp to the system? |
| 03:09.43 | kgoetz | rj-away: yeah. |
| 03:09.49 | kgoetz | thats what it is ;) |
| 03:09.51 | cizzi | smp? paraellel? |
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| 03:10.03 | Azar | kgoetz: well, people would usually want a machine and an operating system able to run all their software, from Office to gadgets, net applications, games, music, movies.. if ONE does not work they cry |
| 03:10.05 | DawnLight | !smp |
| 03:10.05 | dpkg | hmm... smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing |
| 03:10.23 | cizzi | and linux supports smp |
| 03:10.25 | Kevin` | HT looks like smp too, if your kernel supports it, btw |
| 03:10.36 | Azar | hi mister rj-away , happy new year, been long not seen |
| 03:10.40 | Kevin` | in that case it really is "looks like" though |
| 03:10.49 | yigal_ | is there any known fix for mplayer -fs, does darcs fix it? |
| 03:10.50 | rj-away | kgoetz: I'm wondering what 'quad core support' people are talking about linux lacking... |
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| 03:11.01 | Nostahl | hi guys |
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| 03:11.09 | Azar | rj-away: hyperthreading? |
| 03:11.09 | kgoetz | rj-away: they want a super threaded text editor probably |
| 03:11.14 | rj-away | Oh, hello Azar |
| 03:11.25 | cizzi | smp-vi |
| 03:11.27 | DawnLight | yigal_: you using mplayer from d-m? |
| 03:11.31 | kgoetz | my P4's hyperthreading was handled by -smp kernels |
| 03:11.50 | cizzi | i only have a p3 |
| 03:11.52 | cizzi | i dont think it has smp |
| 03:12.05 | kgoetz | not on die |
| 03:12.05 | Kevin` | rj-away probably just misinformed or used a non-smp kernel |
| 03:12.16 | yigal | DawnLight: d-m = debian multimedia ? |
| 03:12.21 | yigal | then yes |
| 03:12.31 | Nostahl | whats the best way to get the ati drivers for my 9800 ati |
| 03:12.35 | \amethyst | Azar: what do you mean by "they barely managed to support duo"? Linux has supported 64+ processors for at least 8 or 9 years now |
| 03:12.38 | yigal | but otherwise I'm unsure ? |
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| 03:12.47 | DawnLight | yes, yigal |
| 03:12.56 | kgoetz | \amethyst: iirc Alpha was the 3rd arch supported |
| 03:13.00 | hark | Davo_Dinkum: wengophone :) |
| 03:13.06 | DawnLight | i don't know the problem you're talking about |
| 03:13.08 | Azar | \amethyst: I was not refering to amd64, I was refering to dual core |
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| 03:13.15 | cizzi | intel |
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| 03:13.22 | \amethyst | Azar: I meant machines with 64 or more CPUs |
| 03:13.38 | moshii | Azar: linux runs on some massive systems, I reckon they could handle anything intel can build for the desktop |
| 03:13.56 | yigal | DawnLight: I decided to do a brief look at the mailing list etc. before dropping in over here, it is something like http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/xmonad/2007-October/003007.html |
| 03:14.32 | yigal | DawnLight: it means that I can't start mplayer in fullscreen mode |
| 03:14.42 | Azar | \amethyst: oh, then is a Debian thing, because articles online about bleeding-edge hardware vs software tend to lead to believe that software is still behind dual core |
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| 03:15.08 | yigal | DawnLight: I have to make it fullscreen after starting a video - not a big deal except if you are playing <= 10 short clips |
| 03:15.16 | yigal | s/</> |
| 03:15.18 | \amethyst | Azar: debian didn't start enabling SMP in the default kernels until Etch |
| 03:15.24 | kgoetz | Azar: they usually mean 'openoffice wasnt faster' then 'theres nothing that wil run' |
| 03:15.32 | \amethyst | Azar: previously you needed a separate SMP kernel |
| 03:15.40 | cizzi | \amethyst - would an intel quad-core cpu be useless in debian etch? |
| 03:15.46 | DawnLight | yigal: sounds nasty |
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| 03:15.59 | \amethyst | cizzi: do you have enough CPU-intensive work to keep it busy? |
| 03:16.03 | moshii | Azar: there's nothing different between dual core and huge clusters.. applications need to be written for parallel processing |
| 03:16.13 | cizzi | \amethyst - eventually yes |
| 03:16.20 | Kevin` | does debian have a kernel somewhat-optimized for a virtual environment? at least with a lower timer interrupt frequency and NOT smp? |
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| 03:16.37 | moshii | Kevin`: vserver, hoho |
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| 03:16.49 | Kevin` | moshii vserver is userland no? |
| 03:16.49 | GhostlyDeath | how would I bridge two networkl interfaces |
| 03:17.06 | yigal | DawnLight: everything works more or less :) |
| 03:17.07 | \amethyst | cizzi: then you should be fine... is this going to be a desktop machine, server, number-cruncher, what? |
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| 03:17.10 | DawnLight | !tell GhostlyDeath about bridging |
| 03:17.23 | cizzi | \amethyst - server mainly, some compiling |
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| 03:17.33 | cizzi | \amethyst - no graphics |
| 03:17.42 | GhostlyDeath | Doesn't tell me much DawnLight |
| 03:17.47 | Azar | yeah: http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid80_gci1253467,00.html |
| 03:17.57 | DawnLight | GhostlyDeath: see <bridge setup> |
| 03:18.15 | \amethyst | cizzi: more than 4GB of RAM? |
| 03:18.23 | enouf | brctl |
| 03:18.30 | cizzi | \amethyst - i was looking at the g33 express chipset ... no exactly 4gb to avoid the whole 64-bit thing |
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| 03:18.56 | \amethyst | cizzi: if it's a server, 64-bit might be an advantage |
| 03:18.59 | enouf | g33 are causing issues for some i know |
| 03:19.14 | \amethyst | cizzi: especially if you don't have any proprietary software you need to run |
| 03:19.19 | enouf | step up the something better |
| 03:19.19 | cizzi | g33 and p35 is essentially the same except for video subsystem |
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| 03:19.24 | cizzi | i thought p35 was fine |
| 03:19.41 | cizzi | \amethyst all the commands in x32 will be available in x64? |
| 03:19.42 | moshii | cizzi: I think you have to count the pci address space into your 4gb.. |
| 03:19.51 | coondogste1 | is there something broken with compiz/beryl on sid? |
| 03:19.52 | enouf | tell that to those having issues |
| 03:19.59 | \amethyst | cizzi: you can check at packages.debian.org |
| 03:20.20 | cizzi | enouf - which chipset would u say is good for a quad core debian compatible system? |
| 03:20.33 | Kevin` | Azar any person in business (which that targets) should know whether their application would benefit from SMP without reading that article IMO |
| 03:20.37 | enouf | cizzi: i can't say offhand |
| 03:20.45 | cizzi | enouf - thats what i'm researching |
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| 03:20.59 | cizzi | intel's website only officially supports 965 chipset for linux |
| 03:21.34 | \amethyst | cizzi: most things you'd want to run on a server are in Debian amd64 |
| 03:21.43 | Kevin` | Azar oh, that article makes mention of muticore support in applications. there is NO such thing. the os handles all of that. all the application does is be a seperate process or thread |
| 03:21.49 | cizzi | \amethyst i dont know much about amd cpu's |
| 03:21.51 | Azar | Kevin`: yeah then I am asking myself (as an ordinary , regular user) would a quad core machine improve my 2D gaming experience? my Office sessions? my net surfing? -- better than a single core machine? |
| 03:22.17 | Azar | cizzi: same question for you.. |
| 03:22.21 | enouf | cizzi: just that the g33 has been a PITA with only choices in BIOS for RAID/IDE , no AHCI setting, so RAID needs to be chosen for AHCI to kick in so SATA DVD drive hets recognized - then there's teh networking and audio |
| 03:22.40 | enouf | s/hets/gets |
| 03:22.41 | Kevin` | Azar gaming, for newer games, yes. office and web browsing you can use a chip from 5 years ago and be fine |
| 03:22.42 | cizzi | networking is standard 82566dc chip |
| 03:22.44 | cizzi | which works in linux |
| 03:22.45 | \amethyst | cizzi: In Debian, "amd64" as an architecture also covers EM64T/Intel 64 |
| 03:22.52 | enouf | e1000 |
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| 03:23.11 | \amethyst | cizzi: Since Intel copied the instruction set |
| 03:23.21 | enouf | cizzi: maybe the issues only apply to OEM resalers like Dell that strips them down |
| 03:23.22 | cizzi | \amethyst - allright i'll research amd tonight |
| 03:23.37 | Azar | Kevin`: you might be right, although I do not see any 2D gaming on the horizon: all tend to go 3D and beyond |
| 03:23.59 | Kevin` | Azar OH. I saw 2d and read 3d |
| 03:24.09 | Azar | :) I imagined so |
| 03:24.13 | Kevin` | Azar give me an example of a popular 2d game |
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| 03:24.22 | Tb0n3 | hi guys |
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| 03:24.51 | Kevin` | Azar otherwise i'm thinking SNES platform games and solitare, which work on chips from 5 years ago again |
| 03:24.57 | Azar | Kevin`: one way or another I see myself forced to upgrade my Debian version too... just to be in sync, not that I really need it |
| 03:25.23 | Tb0n3 | quick question, what package would allow me to set up an internet relay point to bypass a firewall remotely through html? say if I'm using something that will not allow me to change ports or specify a proxy server. |
| 03:25.26 | enouf | Azar: only software/apps that are multi-threaded, but that's negating any offloading of multitasking the SMP part does |
| 03:25.29 | Azar | Kevin`: I am actually having a nice bunch of 2D games for Debian.. |
| 03:25.53 | Azar | enouf: ah I see... interesting |
| 03:26.19 | \amethyst | Azar: do you often have your music skip etc while you're playing games? |
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| 03:26.25 | enouf | Azar: IOW, with a Duo or Quad you could likely game and encode video ;-) |
| 03:26.28 | Azar | \amethyst: never |
| 03:26.36 | \amethyst | Azar: then you don't need more CPUs :) |
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| 03:27.05 | Azar | :) not that I could not buy a bleeding-edge software, but I am sure it will not fulfill my rather modest needs |
| 03:27.18 | \amethyst | with that big of a machine you can game, encode video, and compile the kernel --- if you had the disk bandwidth for it |
| 03:27.35 | yigal | Azar: if you have modest needs why a quad? |
| 03:27.45 | enouf | if SMP is doing it's job, compile a kernel on the 3rd core, though that's silly, since then you would use the -j options :-P |
| 03:27.48 | Azar | \amethyst: I bet you are right there |
| 03:28.01 | Azar | yigal: wasn't me, cizzi wants a quad |
| 03:28.08 | yigal | ah |
| 03:28.14 | Azar | I was just commenting around his questions |
| 03:28.22 | yigal | Azar: sorry, out of the loop |
| 03:28.28 | moshii | does intel have a memory interface that can actually feed quads? |
| 03:28.43 | enouf | prolly not |
| 03:28.47 | moshii | I noticed they ramped the l2 cache up to 12mb or something stupid |
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| 03:29.46 | rj-away | there's some split cache thing, if I remember some article I read a while ago correctly |
| 03:30.04 | rj-away | l1 being per-core, with 2xl2, each serving 2 cores |
| 03:30.06 | msn | Azar: its generally the disk bandwidth which choke you not the processor or CPU |
| 03:30.11 | msn | or not even RAM |
| 03:30.23 | rj-away | or something along those lines |
| 03:30.27 | moshii | msn: depends what you do.. |
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| 03:30.49 | \amethyst | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=606&num=1 |
| 03:30.59 | \amethyst | "Intel Quad-Core Memory Performance Review" |
| 03:31.02 | moshii | msn: if you have an application that can run totally within cache you aren't going to hitting disk ;) |
| 03:31.21 | msn | well if you start copying a 4 GB iso from one partition to another and play a song that's enuf to get song to play with breaks |
| 03:31.23 | Tb0n3 | I <3 my q6700 |
| 03:31.37 | msn | and that happens almost on all machines unless you are using SCSI |
| 03:31.48 | moshii | msn: dma has been around for a long time |
| 03:32.07 | \amethyst | msn: depends in part on your I/O scheduler |
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| 03:32.35 | jetscreamer | doesn't happen to me |
| 03:32.59 | msn | generally gets choppy music when i start copying an iso from one partiont to other while trying to load eclipse and the song playing |
| 03:33.01 | msn | :P |
| 03:33.12 | jetscreamer | must be the eclipse :) |
| 03:33.23 | \amethyst | msn: turn up the buffer size in your music player :) |
| 03:33.34 | Penix | or for your card |
| 03:33.35 | jetscreamer | yeh there is that too come to think of it |
| 03:33.37 | msn | eclipse, I figure chokes all resources |
| 03:33.43 | yigal | msn: use vim :) |
| 03:33.53 | msn | yeah i do that now |
| 03:33.54 | msn | lol |
| 03:33.57 | msn | use vim |
| 03:34.09 | msn | and play songs in mp3blaster |
| 03:34.23 | msn | and schedule copying at night when i am dead asleep |
| 03:34.25 | moshii | looking at this quad core memory performance thing.. theres like 500MB between a single channel and quad channel.. |
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| 03:36.45 | cizzi | just for fun i'll check amd.. which product is the equivalent of intel quad core in amd? |
| 03:36.49 | moshii | maybe they should keep the cores down, yield up and work on a decent memory interface in the mean time |
| 03:37.18 | yigal | moshii: more stuff just looks better its a marketing scheme - and it works |
| 03:38.08 | moshii | yigal: exactly. I think it'll be pretty hard telling people that'll splash out o quad core systems that those cores are choked.. |
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| 03:38.49 | Azar | all in all is Debian Lenny (looking at the future) ready for a quad core? |
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| 03:39.21 | Gnurdux | why wouldnt it be? |
| 03:39.21 | moshii | Azar: um, quad core is standard smp |
| 03:39.22 | \amethyst | I don't see why Etch isn't ready for quad core |
| 03:39.22 | Azar | moshii: thanks |
| 03:39.54 | moshii | Azar: if you question is "is there software that'll be better with a quad core".. the answer is probably very little |
| 03:39.55 | Azar | \amethyst: because in my infinite ignorance I thought that all Debian stable releases run better on conservative hardware |
| 03:40.11 | ulrik | lenny is probably used on >=4 cores somewhere right now? |
| 03:40.19 | fas3r | i have a problem i need to find texte in texte file it's to do it with find command ? ( i have many file , 100 approximatly) |
| 03:40.23 | Supaplex | 'somewhere' ? well duh |
| 03:40.30 | \amethyst | Azar: that goes for consumer hardware more than server hardware |
| 03:40.35 | Supaplex | fas3r: grep |
| 03:40.51 | Kevin` | Azar for normal desktop apps you dont need modernn hardware. the os and some apps will benefit, but they aren't cpu bound |
| 03:40.53 | moshii | Azar: quad core is just another stack of poo on the already massive stack of poo, it's not like a brand new chipset |
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| 03:40.58 | Azar | \amethyst: yeah, was like for a consumer who projects to buy a quad right now |
| 03:41.04 | rj-away | Azar: as far as the software is concerned, the quad core arch 'looks' like old tech |
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| 03:41.13 | fas3r | Supaplex: i have test find . -iname * | grep "my texte" |
| 03:41.26 | fas3r | it's good synthax ? |
| 03:41.27 | rj-away | as in 'looks' like quad processor machines that have been around for ages |
| 03:41.30 | moshii | Azar: The biggest problem with stable is stuff like wifi chipsets that change a lot |
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| 03:41.31 | Azar | rj-away, moshii hehe thanks |
| 03:41.35 | Supaplex | fas3r: no, more like grep -r 'my texte' |
| 03:41.47 | \amethyst | Azar: Also, this is the kind of stuff where the manufacturers publish the specs and have done so for years |
| 03:41.51 | Supaplex | fas3r: no, more like grep -r 'my texte' . (path is important, my bad) |
| 03:42.02 | \amethyst | Azar: so the drivers haven't had to be reverse-engineered :) |
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| 03:42.54 | \amethyst | fas3r: you need quotes around the *, otherwise the shell will expand it before find even sees it |
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| 03:43.19 | Azar | so the idea I am getting here is that you CAN install and run a Debian system no matter whether is a single/dual/quad but "some" software can be runned at their original level |
| 03:43.26 | fas3r | ok thank a lot Supaplex & \amethyst |
| 03:44.02 | enouf | fas3r: http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind |
| 03:44.25 | rj-away | Azar: 'original level'? |
| 03:44.41 | Azar | rj-away: the 32-bit one ? |
| 03:44.47 | rj-away | stuff written threaded will take advantage of the multi-core-ness |
| 03:44.52 | moshii | Azar: some software isn't designed for parallel processing |
| 03:44.55 | \amethyst | 32-bit and SMP are orthogonal |
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| 03:45.05 | Azar | moshii: yea that kind of software I am refering to |
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| 03:45.39 | Kevin` | Azar one thing you should realize. if you run more then one single-threaded app you will see a benefit |
| 03:46.04 | moshii | Azar: software that depends on lots of serial events will never benefit |
| 03:46.11 | \amethyst | Azar: a program that's not designed to take advantage of CPU parallelism isn't going to run any faster----UNLESS there were other programs competing for the CPU |
| 03:46.35 | Azar | Kevin`: yeah, that makes sense, the only thing I was looking at was : what happens with older software that used to run on a single core: gets eliminated or not |
| 03:46.45 | enouf | \amethyst: cool, i've been meaning to follow up on the state of fb-dimms |
| 03:46.45 | rj-away | not eliminated |
| 03:47.05 | moshii | Azar: not all problems can be made parallel |
| 03:47.20 | \amethyst | Azar: it still works, it just doesn't get any faster |
| 03:47.27 | Kevin` | Azar it runs as normal. realize that multi-core support in apps is nothing special, it's just doing more then one thing at once |
| 03:47.31 | \amethyst | Azar: but you can run two copies of it at the same time :) |
| 03:47.31 | moshii | Azar: crack out some distributed computing texts and have a read |
| 03:47.38 | Kevin` | Azar via multithreading or more then one process |
| 03:47.49 | Azar | yeah , that's exactly what I needed to know: not about speed, about continous functionality of an application |
| 03:48.09 | rj-away | what's your existing processor? |
| 03:48.10 | moshii | \amethyst: that's if one application isn't hogging the whole of the memory bus ;) |
| 03:48.14 | \amethyst | Azar: moving to 64-bit is far more likely to cause problems there |
| 03:48.29 | \amethyst | moshii: hush, I'm simplifying :) |
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| 03:48.48 | Azar | rj-away: I am still on single core.. my newest box has an AMD-64 but I keep it unused still |
| 03:49.06 | rj-away | I meant speed-wise |
| 03:49.06 | moshii | Azar: x86 processors still include a 8086 compat. function,.. stuff will keep running ;) |
| 03:49.06 | Azar | \amethyst: I had that feeling |
| 03:49.08 | \amethyst | Azar: but you can do SMP in 32-bit mode so that's not necessarily an issue |
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| 03:49.46 | Azar | rj-away: this box is an amd 32bit sempron |
| 03:49.47 | \amethyst | (until you need more than 64GB) |
| 03:50.08 | rj-away | still doesn't answer my question, but nevermind |
| 03:50.16 | rj-away | my attention is wavering elsewhere |
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| 03:50.46 | Azar | \amethyst: then again there are some discussions on the net about the abrupt upgrade in cpu/ram, but the hard disks are still moving at the old speed rates.. |
| 03:51.05 | \amethyst | Azar: flash and hybrid are changing that |
| 03:51.31 | Azar | you mean the newest hybrid stuff that Nvidia wants to stick to? |
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| 03:52.08 | Azar | are we going where webtv used to be: diskless and flash rom? |
| 03:52.16 | Penix | no |
| 03:52.26 | \amethyst | Azar: the difference is that flash these days doesn't suck :) |
| 03:52.54 | Azar | the idea is very cool.. flash storage |
| 03:53.15 | Supaplex | magnetic core ram! |
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| 03:56.21 | Azar | :) I was lucky abrotman wasn't here today |
| 03:56.35 | Azar | < abrotman> Azar are you still running Sarge? |
| 03:57.01 | Penix | I hope the answer's 'no' |
| 03:57.44 | Azar | Penix: on this PC for day-to day trivial tasks, yes. I have an upgraded PC in the closed running an Etch upgrade, but needs grooming that was when Etch was in "testing" |
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| 03:57.59 | Azar | *closet |
| 03:58.05 | cizzi | any of you use lenny? |
| 03:58.10 | Azar | lots |
| 03:58.17 | cizzi | im trying to find the changelog from etch to lenny |
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| 03:58.37 | Penix | cizzi: for all > ~1000 packages? |
| 03:58.38 | Azar | you mean release notes? |
| 03:58.39 | Supaplex | cizzi: the entire changelog of all packages? |
| 03:58.40 | Penix | bah |
| 03:58.42 | cizzi | yes release notes |
| 03:58.43 | Penix | 10,000 |
| 03:58.52 | cizzi | no |
| 03:58.54 | TuChuan | #debian-cn |
| 03:58.54 | Azar | cizzi: no release notes: Lenny was not released yet |
| 03:58.58 | cizzi | just the major new hardware supported |
| 03:59.00 | cizzi | in lenny |
| 03:59.08 | Penix | cizzi: lenny hasn't been released |
| 03:59.10 | Supaplex | Azar: imagine that. :) |
| 03:59.12 | cizzi | oh ok |
| 03:59.14 | Penix | cizzi: and hardware's up to the kernel |
| 03:59.26 | Supaplex | !tell cizzi -about what driver |
| 03:59.30 | Supaplex | cizzi: that's somewhat relative... |
| 03:59.31 | Azar | yeah I guess check the 2.6.23 kernel specs |
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| 03:59.57 | liable | cizzi: if you just need to support newer hardware, there is etch installers with newer kernels |
| 04:00.09 | Azar | halleluja! |
| 04:00.11 | liable | unofficial of course |
| 04:00.22 | spq | !simple sid backport |
| 04:00.22 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 04:00.29 | cizzi | if some hardware worked fine with fc7 would it work with debian etch necessarely? |
| 04:00.41 | Penix | cizzi: again, it's up to the kernel |
| 04:00.48 | liable | cizzi: depends, what kernel does F7 have? |
| 04:00.48 | cizzi | allright |
| 04:00.51 | Penix | cizzi: compare kernel versions, patches and builds between the two |
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| 04:01.04 | cizzi | i dont remember the kernel it had |
| 04:01.12 | liable | so go google it |
| 04:01.15 | Supaplex | cizzi: isn't there a specific piece of hardware you're interested in support for? |
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| 04:01.28 | cizzi | Supaplex - yes |
| 04:01.29 | spq | experimental is sid, isnt it? |
| 04:01.33 | Penix | spq: no |
| 04:01.37 | spq | hm |
| 04:01.45 | spq | unstable is sid? |
| 04:01.48 | Penix | yes |
| 04:01.55 | spq | ok, what is experimental? |
| 04:01.59 | Penix | !experimental |
| 04:02.00 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 04:02.03 | Supaplex | cizzi: then *ask* about that. how vague can you get and expect us to help? :) |
| 04:02.04 | Azar | Supaplex: I would guess the main hardware to be verified are the ones that the installer recognizes and are most important: cpu, hd and ethernet.. |
| 04:02.09 | Penix | damn. long one |
| 04:02.35 | cizzi | Supaplex - my goal is to find an intel motherboard that supports a quad-core cpu and works with debian etch, if there is such a thing |
| 04:02.43 | spq | penix, thanks |
| 04:02.59 | Penix | cizzi: the distro you use doesn't matter |
| 04:03.26 | Supaplex | cizzi: I would expect that's already supported in etch with the amd64/x86-smp kernels. |
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| 04:04.20 | Penix | cizzi: find out if there are stable drivers in Linux 2.6.x for all the hardware involved. ie. ethernet and disk controllers, sound, video |
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| 04:04.31 | Supaplex | iirc, smp+ht are supported in the 686 kernels to (eg, there's no longer a seperate distinction for smp etc) |
| 04:04.40 | Penix | and check X drivers too I guess |
| 04:04.41 | liable | correct |
| 04:05.02 | fas3r | it's possible to restart windows services with nagios ? i don't find doc on internet .. :s |
| 04:05.11 | cizzi | penix - is there a list of drivers somewhere for 2.6.x |
| 04:05.15 | Penix | fas3r: this isn't #nagios or #windows |
| 04:05.16 | cizzi | than i can look |
| 04:05.16 | DawnLight | cizzi: why don't you go for amd |
| 04:05.26 | cizzi | DawnLight - die hard intel fan never had amd |
| 04:05.40 | fas3r | Penix: i have test but nobody response i think they sleep ^^ |
| 04:05.40 | Penix | cizzi: use google just like anyone else would |
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| 04:06.10 | Penix | cizzi: there's probably loads of hcl's floating around. I wouldn't bother with them personally |
| 04:06.11 | Supaplex | I've tried lots of hardware. I generally like my amd just fine. :) |
| 04:06.59 | cizzi | Supaplex - which amd cpu is the equivalent of inte;l's quad-core ? |
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| 04:07.22 | Penix | cizzi: amd's quad core |
| 04:07.27 | cizzi | cool |
| 04:07.37 | cizzi | opteron |
| 04:07.42 | Penix | if you want a server |
| 04:07.43 | Supaplex | I'm not sure really, but my amd64 x2 has 10000 bogomips of umph. |
| 04:07.54 | Penix | phenom or something is amd's quad stuff IIRC |
| 04:08.35 | Azar | cizzi: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/amd64/ |
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| 04:09.08 | rj-away | currently released phenoms are dodgy |
| 04:09.28 | Supaplex | I wait for all the first geners to debug the hardware. :) |
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| 04:09.40 | Penix | I said that about amd64 |
| 04:09.43 | Penix | still haven't bothered |
| 04:09.45 | Azar | cizzi: see the 2.1.5 chapter |
| 04:10.02 | Azar | you guys were right on the dime again |
| 04:10.33 | cizzi | Azar "The standard Debian 4.0 kernel image was compiled with SMP-alternatives support" |
| 04:10.42 | cizzi | bingo |
| 04:10.46 | cizzi | thats what i needed to know |
| 04:10.50 | cizzi | thanks |
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| 04:10.52 | muh2000_ | damn it, again my linux box freezed :( and all the logs (syslogs messages debug kernel.log etc dont show anything error related :( ) any suggestions ? kernel 2.6.23.11 debian lenny amd_64bitone thing i noticed: when i had vmware running it broke down more often the last 2 weeks... |
| 04:11.16 | Penix | muh2000_: gee, I wonder if that has anything to do with it then? |
| 04:11.50 | Azar | vmware poisoning |
| 04:11.59 | muh2000_ | Penix: the vmware stuff? may it tickeld some parts of the kernel more often than without the vmware |
| 04:12.04 | \amethyst | muh2000_: have you run memtest86 ? |
| 04:12.04 | muh2000_ | maybe* |
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| 04:12.33 | Penix | muh2000_: just think about the extremely basic logic involved for a second. everything worked fine once upon a time, right? then you introduced something new and everything fscked up |
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| 04:13.15 | \amethyst | Penix: I read that it got worse, but it was already crashing before vmware and is crashing now without vmware |
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| 04:13.21 | cizzi | Azar - amd64 is good for intel and amd multi-core cpus from what i understand |
| 04:13.51 | Azar | cizzi: see more detail > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ |
| 04:14.15 | Azar | not sure how "old" is that howto... but I would guess is at least leading to a general idea |
| 04:14.26 | dacs | in vi if i have 5 lines that i want to add ";" at th beginning of each line, is there is an easy way to do it? |
| 04:14.28 | muh2000_ | \amethyst: memtest no. it was worse with vmware, without it worked the last week without a freeze. |
| 04:14.37 | Penix | muh2000_: exactly |
| 04:14.43 | enouf | !dbse |
| 04:14.43 | dpkg | hmm... dbse is well; 'dbse' is Differences Between Sarge and Etch: what's New In Etch? see http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch. Etch is now Stable! (4.0r0) ; ask me about <Today> for more (be sure to check out the "errata" too). Etch errata/docs/images here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ ..also see http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for some other major diffs betwen Sarge and Etch |
| 04:15.02 | DawnLight | i run amd64 etch on an athlon64X2 and it runs both cpus |
| 04:15.09 | Penix | muh2000_: get rid of vmware then. if there's nothing doing wrong without vmware, that's probably the problem |
| 04:15.12 | muh2000_ | Penix: it could be the kernel version, it could be a new package from lenny, it could be hw |
| 04:15.13 | Penix | s/doing/going/ |
| 04:15.19 | Azar | ewww no don't read that is from the 2.4.x kernels time |
| 04:15.22 | enouf | see the last URL there Azar and cizzi |
| 04:15.25 | Penix | muh2000_: yes, it certainly could. you just answered your own question |
| 04:15.26 | muh2000_ | Penix: vmware was removed ~7 days ago |
| 04:15.33 | \amethyst | muh2000_: have you had a freeze without vmware yet? |
| 04:15.35 | Penix | muh2000_: we don't know what you've done to your system |
| 04:15.54 | Azar | \amethyst: thanks :D |
| 04:16.01 | dacs | in vi if i have 5 lines that i want to add ";" at th beginning of each line, is there is an easy way to do it? |
| 04:16.12 | muh2000_ | \amethyst: just the one today. |
| 04:16.30 | Azar | dacs: install vim and run vimtutor , is fun and easy way to learn: interactive |
| 04:16.30 | \amethyst | dacs: :.,+4s/^/;/ |
| 04:17.30 | muh2000_ | timeline: some time ago i installed vmware -> freezes. i removed it -> worked for a few days till a few minutes in the past |
| 04:18.04 | Azar | muh2000_: maybe because that vmware installer wrecked crazy some system files? |
| 04:18.10 | liable | muh2000_: try booting into another kernel without vmware module and see what happens |
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| 04:18.23 | liable | i presume vmware has kernel modules? |
| 04:18.25 | muh2000_ | liable: vmware module is long time gone |
| 04:18.32 | Penix | liable: yeah |
| 04:18.35 | liable | you sure its gone? |
| 04:18.39 | dacs | jetscreamer: why do you want to use ndiswrapper |
| 04:18.46 | Azar | yeah how did you removed/purged it? |
| 04:18.48 | muh2000_ | liable: uninstall said vmware module removed |
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| 04:18.58 | saudi-linux | hi every one |
| 04:19.04 | liable | muh2000_: modprobe -l|grep vmware |
| 04:19.05 | muh2000_ | Azar: with the uninstall script provided by vmware |
| 04:19.12 | Azar | not nice |
| 04:19.18 | jetscreamer | dacs: because no wpa with the acx, which doesn't compile anyway, iirc |
| 04:19.22 | \amethyst | dacs: in vim you can do 0<Ctrl-V>4jI;<Escape> |
| 04:19.23 | muh2000_ | liable: nothing there, seems to be gone |
| 04:19.58 | muh2000_ | i had yesterday high load on the system and it didnt freeze, so am a bit removing hw issues out of my mind ^^ |
| 04:20.07 | saudi-linux | how to install a screen saver file (screensave.scr) in gnome debian lenny ?? |
| 04:20.10 | enouf | fwiw - i saw someone in another channel with 2x quad-core xeons, and real hardware saw all cpus (0-7), but vmwarez only saw 2 of the 8 (0,1) |
| 04:20.29 | muh2000_ | i wonder how i could get more error into the log before a freeze... |
| 04:20.37 | Penix | probably because you'd need some sort of enterprise version of vmware for it to see them all |
| 04:20.42 | Penix | like esx or whatever |
| 04:20.58 | liable | muh2000_: you have another linux box around? |
| 04:21.03 | \amethyst | muh2000_: syslog can be configured to log to a remote machine... that way disk cache won't eat your logs |
| 04:21.28 | enouf | Penix: likely, i think they were running server |
| 04:21.30 | jetscreamer | hey i finally updated a lenny laptop.. what's this 'setting advanced power management lever to...' thing. it errors on my dvd. works find for the hd. |
| 04:21.48 | muh2000_ | liable: the one i am typing is linux too ^^ hmm when the system freezes network goes down as well. but would be a try worth. |
| 04:21.51 | Penix | enouf: makes sense then. I doubt they'd let you use more than a two chip smp config with a free product |
| 04:22.00 | Rusty1 | muh2000_: perhaps sar would help |
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| 04:22.05 | enouf | and we all love the gpl violations the esx does, right? |
| 04:22.07 | muh2000_ | Rusty1: sar ? |
| 04:22.08 | jetscreamer | and what's with the keyboard led's sid xorg |
| 04:22.23 | muh2000_ | enouf: freeware of vmware. not the esx. |
| 04:22.37 | enouf | yeah so what, same friggin corp |
| 04:22.43 | muh2000_ | ^^ |
| 04:23.20 | liable | muh2000_: have a go at setting up netconsole and see if catches the oops (if it is a kernel oops) before the box locks up |
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| 04:23.36 | Rusty1 | muh2000_: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/sysstat |
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| 04:23.56 | K|NgGh0sT | if I want to run a program at boot, would I have to make a cron job? |
| 04:24.03 | jetscreamer | no |
| 04:24.18 | Penix | !skel |
| 04:24.24 | Penix | bah. can never get that one right |
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| 04:24.42 | liable | try rclocal |
| 04:24.44 | muh2000_ | liable: netconsole? you mean syslog over lan? |
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| 04:25.14 | Kevin` | netconsole is a kernel module that sends kernel messages over udp |
| 04:25.16 | liable | muh2000_: nope, netconsole is different, its like having a serial console, but its over net :) |
| 04:25.21 | Kevin` | differentfrom normal syslog |
| 04:25.23 | muh2000_ | what is the difference between memtest and memtest+ ? |
| 04:25.23 | enouf | is bootmisc.sh still ok to use? |
| 04:25.35 | enouf | +86 you want |
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| 04:25.53 | enouf | muh2000_: the other is old and decrepid |
| 04:26.09 | muh2000_ | enouf: yeah memtest86 and the + version + is new ? |
| 04:26.18 | enouf | muh2000_: many livecds and even debian installer has it, iinm |
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| 04:26.26 | enouf | yeah |
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| 04:26.35 | enouf | and IIRC,, they conflict |
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| 04:27.10 | muh2000_ | enouf: yeah but i would have to move my ass and plug in an external cdrom and boot it ^^ hmmmm can i add the memtest to the grub? |
| 04:27.14 | enouf | i setup grub as a boot choice to do it on mine though, wow, a while ago |
| 04:27.51 | jetscreamer | gah... there seems to be a step i haven't done |
| 04:27.54 | coondogste1 | why does apt want to uninstall my xorg if I try to get nvidia-glx? |
| 04:27.59 | liable | if you install it from the repo, it gets added automagically |
| 04:28.18 | muh2000_ | liable: seems to be update-grub was needed as well. |
| 04:28.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | DustyBin? |
| 04:28.29 | enouf | muh2000_: ii memtest86+ 1.65-1 thorough real-mode memory tester is what i have |
| 04:28.42 | liable | muh2000_: eh, i thought it did it for you |
| 04:29.17 | jetscreamer | there's an 'include memtest in menu' setting in menu.lst, i thought the default was on though |
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| 04:29.54 | enouf | i think i recall needing to run update-grub |
| 04:30.07 | muh2000_ | liable: you could be right i only saw a uncommented memtest86=true line... "## should update-grub create memtest86 boot option" "# memtest86=true" |
| 04:30.17 | muh2000_ | well it is added now in the menu... |
| 04:30.21 | enouf | that automagic area is for the default behaviour when you run updtae-grub |
| 04:30.56 | muh2000_ | i removed the # and ran update-grub the menu entry is now there :) |
| 04:31.10 | muh2000_ | in an hour i have to go anyway i will reboot and test... |
| 04:31.17 | enouf | muh2000_: # lines in automagic area are not comments, only the ## are comments in that section |
| 04:31.27 | muh2000_ | oh i see |
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| 04:31.33 | Rusty1 | muh2000_: slabtop is out there as well |
| 04:31.48 | enouf | muh2000_: read he top of the section, do NOT remove/uncomment, edit to your needs ;-) |
| 04:32.09 | muh2000_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.19 | enouf | heh |
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| 04:36.47 | muh2000_ | thnx for the tipps guys, i will try to do the steps from time to time |
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| 04:43.01 | kab | hey does anyone have experiene with openvpn? |
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| 04:46.41 | ChElAnO | hi guys |
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| 04:49.26 | twiggz | why is epiphany suck a crashing piece of shit? |
| 04:49.31 | muh2000_ | kab use the how to on openvpn.org it is easy to setup :) |
| 04:50.04 | twiggz | 1.5ghz p4, 360something mb ram, no flash, no java plugin, perfectly up to date debian etch machine. |
| 04:50.07 | moshii | twiggz: becuase you haven't submitted patches for the bugs yet |
| 04:50.18 | twiggz | LOL |
| 04:50.47 | moshii | twiggz: you have backtraces for the crashes that you can submit right? |
| 04:50.53 | muh2000_ | related to my freeze issue...: i remember running hellanzb anyone experienced problems with that program? |
| 04:51.17 | twiggz | newer epiphany on fbsd doesnt do this on machine of exact smae hardware and age. |
| 04:51.27 | moshii | muh2000_: never had problems with it.. it can eat a shit load of ram |
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| 04:51.51 | ChElAnO | hi guys |
| 04:52.30 | twiggz | since im using such an old version of gnome and everything else on this machine i expect it to atleast be bug free by now. |
| 04:52.31 | moshii | twiggz: yes, it's a software prblem. thats why you need to submit backtraces to either the debian maintainer or the upstream one |
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| 04:52.53 | muh2000_ | moshii: ok, i have to run definitely memtest ^^ |
| 04:53.08 | moshii | twiggz: whining on irc like a cry baby solves nothing |
| 04:53.08 | twiggz | I mean, it opened once to the default homepage |
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| 04:53.24 | \amethyst | twiggz: do you have any extensions enabled? |
| 04:53.30 | twiggz | none |
| 04:53.45 | moshii | muh2000_: kernel oops or just freezing? |
| 04:53.47 | twiggz | no flash, no java plugin, no extensions. |
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| 04:53.58 | Gorbulas | hello |
| 04:54.15 | jbinder | Hi. |
| 04:54.19 | twiggz | iceweasel works great though. |
| 04:54.33 | muh2000_ | moshii: just freezing. when i switch on the monitor it only goes in standby |
| 04:54.49 | Gorbulas | I just wasted a bunch of time trying to setup nbd and nfs so I could rsync files over the network -.- |
| 04:54.57 | moshii | muh2000_: that'll be hardware then, or a bad driver |
| 04:55.00 | Gorbulas | I forgot rsync will run over ssh |
| 04:55.16 | muh2000_ | ok |
| 04:56.01 | moshii | muh2000_: have you tried pinging the box? sometime death isn't complete as it seems ;) |
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| 04:56.49 | muh2000_ | moshii: i tried pinging in the past but i forgot the result... well the network went down (open ssh session etc..) |
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| 04:58.20 | Penix | nbd *and* nfs?... |
| 04:58.27 | Penix | !lose Gorbulas |
| 04:58.28 | dpkg | Gorbulas: You Lose. |
| 04:58.55 | moshii | muh2000_: I'd check you don't have a broken fan or something |
| 04:59.03 | moshii | muh2000_: before it goes up in flames |
| 04:59.07 | Gorbulas | I was trying nbd first, but I didn't want to compile the kernel support on a 700Mhz computer |
| 04:59.21 | Gorbulas | I wasn't going to use both at the same tim |
| 04:59.25 | twiggz | is the nvidia fx 5500 a poor card to have? |
| 04:59.26 | Caelum | haha |
| 04:59.29 | twiggz | its 256mb |
| 04:59.33 | muh2000_ | moshii: already checked that. the system was under load yesterday |
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| 04:59.43 | jetscreamer | depends on what you want to do with it, twiggz |
| 04:59.49 | Penix | twiggz: what do you want to do with it? |
| 04:59.55 | jetscreamer | it's fine, until you want to game |
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| 04:59.57 | Caelum | twiggz: just don't get an ati card, those things are a fucking nightmare... |
| 05:00.05 | twiggz | i know ati is crap. |
| 05:00.17 | twiggz | my wife has an ati x300 oslt. |
| 05:00.20 | Gorbulas | ATI cards should get better eventually. maybe in a few years |
| 05:00.24 | Penix | I've had a 5500 for years. great card |
| 05:00.30 | Penix | for desktop use anyway |
| 05:00.37 | jetscreamer | i have a 5200 that owns in q3 |
| 05:00.45 | jetscreamer | i prefer the 6600 though |
| 05:00.47 | moshii | Penix: you can do things aside from desktop work on debian now? |
| 05:01.09 | jetscreamer | you've always been able to frag ppl in linux |
| 05:01.13 | jetscreamer | well mostly |
| 05:01.17 | twiggz | i dont really play games. i play bzflag once in a blue moon. |
| 05:01.19 | rj-away | Gorbulas: you saying that because of the internal docs they're releasing? |
| 05:01.25 | twiggz | those graphics are to hardcore. |
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| 05:01.29 | Penix | I can play stuff like HL2 on this crappy 5500 |
| 05:01.35 | Caelum | twiggz: as long as it works xscreensaver-gl, that's all that matters :) |
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| 05:01.38 | Gorbulas | eventually there will be drivers for ATI cards |
| 05:01.43 | rj-away | yes |
| 05:01.44 | muh2000_ | http://www.warsow.net/ is a nice game :) |
| 05:01.48 | jetscreamer | then a 5500 should do you, unless you want some other kind of video power |
| 05:01.54 | rj-away | but if the hardware doesn't have the raw performance... |
| 05:02.12 | jetscreamer | fine for compiz too |
| 05:02.13 | rj-away | does ati have anything that's competitive with the upper 8800 cards? |
| 05:02.26 | muh2000_ | rj-away: not that i know of |
| 05:02.56 | rj-away | there was some hooha about a dx10 card they released a little while ago or something |
| 05:03.12 | rj-away | but it's not that interesting |
| 05:03.21 | rj-away | competition in the market is good :( |
| 05:03.23 | Penix | reminds me why I love consoles way more these days |
| 05:04.04 | rj-away | unless you want to roll with bleeding-edge hardware, consoles are probably the way to go :/ |
| 05:04.14 | Gorbulas | consoles are lame |
| 05:04.27 | Penix | might go induce some seizures with powerstone right now actually |
| 05:04.37 | muh2000_ | fps for console = ftl |
| 05:04.42 | rj-away | oh, yeah |
| 05:04.44 | rj-away | although |
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| 05:04.52 | Gorbulas | you have to play with controllers and can't change much or do anything the manufacturer didn't intend for |
| 05:04.57 | muh2000_ | rts on a console = ftl too |
| 05:05.00 | rj-away | ps3 can take kb/mouse, iirc |
| 05:05.08 | muh2000_ | that is right |
| 05:05.09 | Nyle | well it took 4 years or so but if finally happened |
| 05:05.13 | Gorbulas | but can you play using one? |
| 05:05.20 | rj-away | not sure if fps stuff takes advantage of that.. |
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| 05:05.24 | rj-away | but... it should :( |
| 05:05.29 | Nyle | my reiserfs /home on one of my laptops is CAPUT! |
| 05:05.34 | Nyle | yay :/ |
| 05:05.47 | muh2000_ | well it is called reiser ^^ |
| 05:05.49 | Gorbulas | last time I had reiserfs die, I lost no files |
| 05:05.51 | Nyle | now i have an excuse to upgrade to etch |
| 05:05.57 | Gorbulas | only the file names and directories |
| 05:06.02 | Nyle | muh2000_: yeh, reiser killed my computer too |
| 05:06.05 | Gorbulas | that was fen |
| 05:06.06 | Nyle | ;] |
| 05:06.07 | Gorbulas | fun |
| 05:06.30 | jetscreamer | wtf does 'ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: Invalid Argument' mean, when trying to initialize my wireless card |
| 05:06.50 | jetscreamer | i didn't tell you not to use reiser? |
| 05:06.51 | jetscreamer | dang |
| 05:06.54 | jetscreamer | sorry |
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| 05:07.20 | jetscreamer | well it's really when trying to do the dhcp thing |
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| 05:07.37 | jetscreamer | i have a wlan0, i just can't get it to work :( |
| 05:07.44 | Blazer11 | need help with gnash in debian |
| 05:07.44 | jetscreamer | i had it going before |
| 05:07.45 | Gorbulas | I'd guess encryption |
| 05:08.06 | wols | jetscreamer: WPA? |
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| 05:08.25 | jetscreamer | it says the encryption is good... this msg is after wlan0 comes up. yes tkip/wpa |
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| 05:09.50 | jetscreamer | encryption support in the driver i mean |
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| 05:10.02 | Blazer11 | gnash mozilla plugin, when page loads player buttons are out of place and content does not play |
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| 05:10.52 | jetscreamer | http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html |
| 05:10.56 | jetscreamer | iceweasel fails |
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| 05:13.40 | twiggz | gnash fails. |
| 05:14.00 | twiggz | i havent gotten it to work on openbsd, freebsd, or any linux distribution. |
| 05:14.27 | Blazer11 | twiggs u have the same prob? |
| 05:14.28 | twiggz | iceweasel atleast isnt epiphany |
| 05:14.59 | twiggz | epiphany opened to its default homepage 8 days ago and crashed and never again. |
| 05:15.08 | jetscreamer | shouldn't i have a wlan0 in /dev, if i have a wlan0 ? |
| 05:15.13 | twiggz | on etch |
| 05:15.17 | Penix | jetscreamer: no.... |
| 05:15.22 | jetscreamer | o |
| 05:15.27 | Blazer11 | twiggz for me iceweasel is not displaying all text on a given page, any thoughts |
| 05:15.39 | Blazer11 | twiggz yes |
| 05:16.10 | Szeraax | As i recal, wlan0 would be in /proc |
| 05:16.13 | Szeraax | recall* |
| 05:16.15 | Blazer11 | actually i upgraded to lenny |
| 05:16.37 | Szeraax | under some other folder... perhaps network, or maybe interfaces |
| 05:16.52 | stiv2k | hey which are faster intel core 2 duo or amd turion64x2 ? |
| 05:16.59 | twiggz | Blazer11: on this etch box 1.5ghz p4, 365ram, 256mb fx 5500 nvidia, epiphany crashed right away, iceweasel works tbhough. |
| 05:17.09 | Penix | stiv2k: that's a silly question |
| 05:17.41 | Szeraax | stiv2k: faster? I believe intel has the higher clock speed, ut intel has always done the clock speed race... |
| 05:17.43 | Blazer11 | twiggz what would cause text not to appear? |
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| 05:17.53 | twiggz | i may dist-upgrade to testing to see if it will help, but...wtf..im not even using the java plugin or flash or any extensions... |
| 05:17.57 | Szeraax | Blazer11: ad fontage? |
| 05:18.00 | twiggz | it should work out of the box. |
| 05:18.00 | Szeraax | bad* |
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| 05:18.14 | twiggz | especially sense its so old. |
| 05:18.23 | twiggz | +i-e |
| 05:18.29 | twiggz | +c-s |
| 05:18.32 | twiggz | blah |
| 05:18.41 | Blazer11 | Szeraax epiphany is working, do they use the same font dir? |
| 05:18.45 | Penix | twiggz: check the bts before you start doing random dist-upgrades |
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| 05:19.08 | Szeraax | Blazer11: couldn't tell ya. I really have no idea, just trying to throw out other ideas... |
| 05:19.49 | twiggz | well, its definately not working on etch, Penix. If it doesnt work on testing Ill just move this box to fbsd 6.3 next week. |
| 05:19.55 | Szeraax | does the missing text seem to related to font at all, or is it just random missing text? |
| 05:19.57 | enouf | jetscreamer: someinfo can be had by udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/wlan0 |
| 05:20.35 | Blazer11 | Szeraax hard to say, other things missing also like borders some formating |
| 05:20.55 | Blazer11 | version si 2.0.0.11-1 |
| 05:21.32 | moshii | twiggz: or.. you could submit a bugreport and help other users? |
| 05:21.39 | \amethyst | twiggz: actually, Blazer11 might be onto something... I once had iceweasel crashing repeatedly because of a corrupt font |
| 05:21.40 | Szeraax | Blazer11: hmm, maybe css not working? |
| 05:21.52 | Penix | my browser doesn't work. I'll install a new OS...yeah...makes sense... |
| 05:22.18 | \amethyst | twiggz: you might try fc-cache -f (both as user and root) to regenerate the font caches |
| 05:22.22 | Nyle | hm |
| 05:23.39 | enouf | jetscreamer: a basic setup /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.ca/raw/849059 |
| 05:23.41 | jetscreamer | !wb nyl |
| 05:23.41 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! nyl has returned! |
| 05:24.01 | jetscreamer | err.. nyle |
| 05:24.09 | moshii | jetscreamer: and he quit ;) |
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| 05:24.34 | Hermana38B_Brawe | Hi All |
| 05:24.38 | Hermana38B_Brawe | I went around to Ms 25, my tall, curvaceous beautiful lady friend with the long blond/red hair. It was time for another driving lesson. She greeted me warmly and we sat in her kitchen and chatted over a coffee for a couple of minutes before we hit the road. |
| 05:24.43 | Hermana38B_Brawe | I was wearing a white shirt with a coarse print black cross-hatch pattern of thin lines on it, but the patterning still could not hide the fantastic projection and black outline of my favourite Bendon Body Basics bra. Also I had "forgotten" to do up enough shirt buttons, in fact I was a bit naughty because really I had "forgotten" TWO shirt buttons. I had a large triangle of chest flesh exposed and the front centre of my bra was fully exposed to |
| 05:24.47 | Hermana38B_Brawe | After the lesson, she was very pleased with her progress (rightfully so) and as I took my leave, walking down her driveway, she walked alongside me, chatting all the while. I don't think she wanted me to leave and I found that thought so flattering. I did say to her not long ago that I would have loved her to be my daughter. I said that on purpose to clarify the nature of the obvious friendship that we have and I think that was well accepted at |
| 05:24.51 | Hermana38B_Brawe | My Bendon Body Basics bra is a 38 A cup contour bra, but as I have said in other postings, this particular A cup does project more on me than a D cup in other brands of bra. I love the projection these bras give me (I have about eight of these bras, in white, black, two shades of pink, and blue). When I stand up tall and confident, my fake beauties stick way out proudly and I love the way they look |
| 05:24.52 | Penix | !ops Hermana38B_Brawe is an idiot |
| 05:24.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: penix complains about: Hermana38B_Brawe is an idiot |
| 05:24.55 | Hermana38B_Brawe | Love |
| 05:25.00 | Hermana38B_Brawe | Hermana |
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| 05:26.38 | twiggz | \amethyst: that might make sense, since i did install the artwiz fonts right before that started happening? |
| 05:27.00 | jetscreamer | hm ok i seem to really have a wlan0 |
| 05:27.21 | jetscreamer | i'm just not getting a dhcp offer anymore... |
| 05:27.23 | Szeraa1 | Blazer11: still having troubles? |
| 05:27.58 | Szeraa1 | jetscreamer: using a router? I would assume oyu have changed nothing, and its not working? |
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| 05:28.12 | Nyle | ;hm |
| 05:28.14 | Szeraa1 | *not working now* |
| 05:28.15 | Nyle | er |
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| 05:29.15 | jetscreamer | Szeraa1: what i changed was i removed my old kernel but forgot that i only had the wireless configured/working under that kernel :/ so i did my thing, but i forgot a step or something... it's not working now |
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| 05:29.40 | twiggz | but i have newer gnome+everything on fbsd 6.3rc2 that includes epiphany and i use the artwiz fonts there and it doesnt do this... |
| 05:30.04 | Universalerror | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.16 | moshii | twiggz: report a bug. |
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| 05:30.47 | moshii | twiggz: we don't care about freebsd, report a bug against the debian packages, get it fixed. |
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| 05:32.12 | techqbert | i care about freebsd |
| 05:32.19 | jetscreamer | now i have to relearn what i once learned :( i hate that |
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| 05:33.29 | jetscreamer | shame it works in windows |
| 05:33.30 | moshii | techqbert: That's a problem you'll have to over come by yourself |
| 05:33.31 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 05:33.35 | Blazer11 | twiggz u trird tp uninstall re install? |
| 05:33.49 | jetscreamer | so it's pebkac |
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| 05:35.51 | techqbert | moshii : people going through the same thing I am helps. wish I could dev for gentoo/fbsd |
| 05:36.00 | jetscreamer | hey enouf cool i like the pre-up /sbin/ifconfig stuff... i only have found the wireless-ssid et al directives |
| 05:36.33 | moshii | techqbert: what's so different about developing on those platforms? |
| 05:36.42 | cizzi | quick question, i was thinking.. is the whole purpose of a dns system like tinydns or named, to provide access to internal machines on an internal network? so for example if someone on the internet types ssh abc.domain.com, it will point to the DNS of my network and that dns will resolve to 192.168.1.x within my subnet? |
| 05:36.45 | jetscreamer | hey what does one use to scan for networks, btw |
| 05:37.08 | techqbert | moshii : it's not a matter of subtle differences, just free time. |
| 05:37.09 | jetscreamer | it won't resolve to 192.186 |
| 05:37.13 | moshii | jetscreamer: iwlist |
| 05:37.14 | Penix | cizzi: that's not up to dns |
| 05:37.15 | techqbert | at least for me |
| 05:37.23 | jetscreamer | err 168 |
| 05:37.32 | jetscreamer | that's private ip |
| 05:37.35 | moshii | jetscreamer: oops wrong one.. |
| 05:37.41 | cizzi | jetscreamer - but it will connect to that ip |
| 05:37.47 | cizzi | with the external internet ip |
| 05:37.47 | Penix | cizzi: you're probably after port forwarding or something |
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| 05:37.51 | jetscreamer | your router could do nat and you could open up the fw for it |
| 05:38.07 | cizzi | jetscreamer but dont i need a central dns on my network? |
| 05:38.17 | cizzi | for abc.domain.com, xyz.domain.com, etc? |
| 05:38.22 | cizzi | each one resolves to an ip |
| 05:38.25 | jetscreamer | you need dns servers |
| 05:38.25 | moshii | techqbert: other than packaging.. is there much difference between modern unices? |
| 05:38.35 | cizzi | jetscreamer like named,tiny |
| 05:38.37 | cizzi | tinydns |
| 05:38.37 | cizzi | ? |
| 05:38.51 | jetscreamer | which one is a matter of preference |
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| 05:39.01 | cizzi | okay so that was my orignal question |
| 05:39.18 | cizzi | one dns server on my network can map out the whole intenral subnet to the rest of the internet |
| 05:39.31 | moshii | cizzi: maradns is nice too |
| 05:39.32 | \amethyst | cizzi: no |
| 05:39.34 | Penix | no |
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| 05:39.38 | jetscreamer | but if you have one ip for your domain, you would use nat to get the packets to the proper box from there |
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| 05:39.42 | Penix | cizzi: you need more than a dns setup |
| 05:39.51 | \amethyst | cizzi: addresses in public DNSs must be public addresses |
| 05:39.52 | cizzi | jetscreamer - is nat software? |
| 05:40.01 | jetscreamer | it can be |
| 05:40.05 | Penix | cizzi: you can do what you want without dns being involved at all |
| 05:40.06 | xyx | hi all |
| 05:40.07 | \amethyst | cizzi: which 192.168.*.* is not |
| 05:40.13 | cizzi | Penix - using what? |
| 05:40.17 | cizzi | \amethyst - right |
| 05:40.18 | Penix | cizzi: forward a port on your router to an interal machine |
| 05:40.25 | cizzi | penix - iallready do that for one |
| 05:40.30 | cizzi | but if someone goes on the same port |
| 05:40.32 | cizzi | for another machine |
| 05:40.34 | cizzi | we have a problem |
| 05:40.45 | Penix | internal machines are internal for a reason |
| 05:40.48 | \amethyst | cizzi: use a different port, or get more than one IP address |
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| 05:40.58 | cizzi | \amethyst - so named wouldnt be a solution? |
| 05:41.02 | \amethyst | cizzi: nope |
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| 05:41.07 | cizzi | ok thanks \amethyst |
| 05:41.08 | twiggz | moshii: i care about freebsd since i use it. and although it may not be fair to compare its current release with the current release of debian, i do. i use both, one uses so much older applications that i expect them to atleast be ON POINT. to me..that doesnt seem to be much to ask. |
| 05:41.30 | jetscreamer | who cares |
| 05:41.33 | jetscreamer | let it die |
| 05:41.42 | cizzi | dns,named,tinydns,etc are only for public ips then? |
| 05:41.47 | jetscreamer | the discussion, i mean |
| 05:41.55 | techqbert | moshii : ya know, honestly there is not much not difference besides package managers, licenses, development organization. technically speaking I don't know much besides the init scripts differ |
| 05:42.03 | jetscreamer | you can have dns for your internal network |
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| 05:42.14 | Penix | techqbert: there's a big difference in all the things you mentioned |
| 05:42.29 | jetscreamer | but public and private are two different areas |
| 05:42.38 | Penix | and more |
| 05:42.40 | moshii | techqbert: you were talking about aving time to develop for those oses |
| 05:42.42 | cizzi | okay... so what \amethyst said then |
| 05:42.52 | techqbert | Penix: "not much difference" wasn't right phrase to use. point taken |
| 05:42.54 | jetscreamer | yes. nat. |
| 05:43.09 | jetscreamer | network address translation |
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| 05:43.14 | cizzi | if my linksys has a firewall that re-directs port requests to internal ips is that a NAT? |
| 05:43.23 | jetscreamer | yes they do nat |
| 05:43.28 | cizzi | okay |
| 05:43.28 | jetscreamer | and port forwarding |
| 05:43.30 | Penix | techqbert: and the reason why 6.3 might have newer versions of software is because etch was released before the 6.3 RCs started |
| 05:43.35 | Kevin` | cizzi it is almost surely doing nat, yes.. |
| 05:43.49 | moshii | twiggz: you're bitching that the debian package doesn't work and using the fact that the freebsd one does as some sort of baiting |
| 05:43.49 | tengulre11 | cizzi: yes,! |
| 05:43.50 | Penix | techqbert: you can't expect software that wasn't relased at the time to be included in etch |
| 05:43.54 | cizzi | allright sounds good... later |
| 05:44.01 | jetscreamer | cizzi: connect to the ... nm |
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| 05:44.09 | tengulre11 | NAT( Networking Address Translate) |
| 05:44.09 | jetscreamer | router's interface and look |
| 05:44.23 | jetscreamer | network address translation |
| 05:44.49 | tengulre11 | ;( |
| 05:44.56 | tengulre11 | same means! |
| 05:44.57 | jetscreamer | !comfort tengulre |
| 05:44.57 | dpkg | There, there, tengulre. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:45.00 | techqbert | Penix: correct. |
| 05:45.01 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 05:45.18 | tengulre11 | hehe!! |
| 05:45.32 | tengulre11 | OK! my country language is not english, sorry for that! |
| 05:47.20 | jetscreamer | your english is much better than my (insert_your_language_here) |
| 05:47.55 | jetscreamer | i'm not judging, just informing |
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| 05:48.09 | jetscreamer | oops |
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| 05:48.33 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: he reconnected as tengulre11 |
| 05:48.48 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: or something |
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| 05:50.24 | mrnotproper | hi, i've a little question .. Which kernel version are available in lenny ? |
| 05:50.44 | Penix | mrnotproper: packages.debian.org will tell you |
| 05:50.51 | Penix | mrnotproper: search for linux-image under lenny |
| 05:51.01 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 05:51.03 | mrnotproper | thanks |
| 05:51.09 | jetscreamer | i didn't forget... i'm just a moron |
| 05:51.19 | jetscreamer | well i forget, but that's not what i forgot |
| 05:51.27 | jetscreamer | s/forget/forgot/ |
| 05:51.37 | jetscreamer | i forgot i changed the wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 05:56.51 | crush_groove | .,, brb goin to windows |
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| 05:57.58 | coondogster | still haven't got compiz going |
| 05:58.16 | jetx | !lart jetscreamer |
| 05:58.48 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: ping |
| 05:58.49 | coondogster | something to do with using mesa drivers mixed with nvidia drivers possibly |
| 05:59.11 | Nyle | hey |
| 05:59.14 | Nyle | um |
| 05:59.17 | Penix | coondogster: then tell X and all the rest not to use the mesa lib |
| 05:59.20 | Nyle | [(status)] wc: /usr/share/dict/words: No such file or directory |
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| 05:59.31 | Nyle | i got this erro rin irssi, which package do i install i can't find the corect one |
| 05:59.49 | Nyle | damn pdo is ok but my net is slow with download running |
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| 06:00.16 | Penix | Nyle: eh? trying to install irssi? it's irssi-text |
| 06:00.28 | Nyle | not anymore its not |
| 06:00.43 | jetscreamer | then it's irssi |
| 06:00.45 | Nyle | Penix: you are living int he days of sarge i suppose |
| 06:00.46 | Penix | hmm. you're right |
| 06:00.47 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:00.48 | Penix | hehe |
| 06:00.49 | Nyle | and no |
| 06:00.52 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 06:01.03 | Nyle | I am trying to install a dictionary script and it complains about not finding the file |
| 06:01.23 | \amethyst | Nyle: dictionaries-common |
| 06:01.27 | Nyle | ah |
| 06:01.31 | Nyle | thank you very much |
| 06:01.44 | matadon | Here's an odd one: I'm trying to figure out the 'best-practice' way to maintain back-end software in a server farm, composed of Debian servers. It seems sensible to use the packaging system to do this, and simply to set up a repository for all of the 'home-grown' packages. Anyone have links to notes from someone who has done this, and what problems they encountered? |
| 06:01.55 | Nyle | !pin |
| 06:01.55 | dpkg | hmm... pin is a small bolt, or also see pinning |
| 06:01.56 | Nyle | !ping |
| 06:01.56 | dpkg | pong |
| 06:02.11 | simonrvn | pinning |
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| 06:03.27 | \amethyst | Nyle: you probably also need w{language} to get the actual word list |
| 06:03.36 | Nyle | yeh |
| 06:03.39 | Nyle | american |
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| 06:04.08 | jetscreamer | hey nyle how come i can't capture my line input, it just goes straight to the speakers |
| 06:04.22 | Nyle | i don't know what you're doing |
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| 06:04.28 | Nyle | why dont you tell me everything |
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| 06:04.35 | jetscreamer | tell me the proper way to hook my axe up, oh exaulted one |
| 06:04.41 | Nyle | lol |
| 06:04.49 | liable | well, it all started behind the bicycle shed.. |
| 06:04.52 | jetscreamer | exalted |
| 06:04.54 | simonrvn | exalted |
| 06:04.57 | Nyle | ok well |
| 06:05.00 | simonrvn | heh :) |
| 06:05.06 | Nyle | first you have to say uncle |
| 06:05.27 | jetscreamer | oh well... i've never been anygood at saying uncle |
| 06:05.30 | Nyle | then hope that you dont' fry your soundcard |
| 06:05.32 | jetscreamer | even when i try to |
| 06:05.42 | jdrake | My friend just installed debian stable in front of me, there was an error with tasksel running that seems to just have been a network error, but it seemed to resolve itself. When running the installed system, killall does not seem to be installed. Where might this be located in the packages? |
| 06:05.43 | Nyle | whats going into the line in? |
| 06:05.43 | jetscreamer | yeah i blew one of my altec lansings |
| 06:05.49 | simonrvn | "uncle Nyle, how i do fucking hook my axe, for fuck's sake. fuck!" |
| 06:05.52 | Nyle | don't hook it up directly |
| 06:05.55 | Nyle | simonrvn: hehehe |
| 06:05.58 | simonrvn | *G* |
| 06:06.14 | jetscreamer | headphone output of my pos fender squier amp.. no line out.. i want a marshall |
| 06:06.14 | Nyle | jetscreamer: input sinal is too hot, will blow up your 2nd sound card |
| 06:06.19 | jetscreamer | squier |
| 06:06.25 | jetscreamer | err... however |
| 06:06.31 | Nyle | headphone output |
| 06:06.39 | Nyle | im not sure if you are getting a line levle signal |
| 06:06.41 | simonrvn | squire? |
| 06:06.45 | Nyle | fender |
| 06:06.47 | jetscreamer | probably not line level |
| 06:06.49 | Nyle | cheap strats |
| 06:06.53 | jetscreamer | squier |
| 06:07.02 | Nyle | 100$ fender squire quite |
| 06:07.04 | jetscreamer | no it's a cheap bc rich |
| 06:07.11 | jetscreamer | the amp is the fender |
| 06:07.14 | Nyle | ah |
| 06:07.22 | Nyle | hm anyway |
| 06:07.32 | Nyle | what are you using to record? |
| 06:07.46 | Nyle | DI ftw |
| 06:07.52 | Penix | jetscreamer: you'll need some sort of preamp |
| 06:07.55 | jetscreamer | i'm trying to use jack to send it to various programs, like creox |
| 06:08.04 | jetscreamer | yeh direct does not work |
| 06:08.10 | Penix | jetscreamer: get a DI box and hook it up to your soundcard, or even better, a mixer |
| 06:08.13 | Nyle | let me tell you my setup |
| 06:08.52 | Nyle | guitar > boss ME 50 fx board > amp > preamp out > 4 channel mixer > line-in on soundcard |
| 06:09.20 | Penix | mine's just bass guitar > DI > mixer > soundcard |
| 06:09.22 | Nyle | I record with audacity, make drums in hydrogen, layer synth with custom midi files imported as ogg |
| 06:09.30 | Penix | bleh |
| 06:09.35 | Nyle | a fine recording for my CHEAP setup |
| 06:09.36 | Penix | Nyle: install ardour |
| 06:09.45 | Nyle | http://www.nycomputerdoctor.com/Nyle/Mortal.mp3 |
| 06:09.50 | Nyle | ardour? |
| 06:10.06 | Nyle | for my cheap and lame setup |
| 06:10.07 | Penix | Nyle: never used it? do it for sure then |
| 06:10.11 | Nyle | the sound quality isn't bad |
| 06:10.15 | Nyle | Penix: check out the mp3 |
| 06:10.22 | Nyle | what do you think of the cleanliness of the sound |
| 06:10.41 | Nyle | good, bad, ugly? |
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| 06:10.46 | jetscreamer | do you have the yngwie instructional video? |
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| 06:11.05 | Penix | I'm stopping Johnny 'Guitar' Watson's track for this. better be good ;) |
| 06:11.07 | Penix | jk |
| 06:11.12 | coondogster | someone messed up the compiz with the debian repo I guess |
| 06:11.13 | Nyle | jetscreamer: why? |
| 06:11.23 | coondogster | compiz: Depends: compiz-core (>= 0.6.3~git20071222.061ff159-1) but 0.6.3~git20071208.25941d14-1 is to be installed |
| 06:11.31 | Gnu_Raiz | dude I was trying to sleep. |
| 06:11.39 | Gnu_Raiz | no your music woke me up. |
| 06:11.49 | Gnu_Raiz | not bad rift Nyle. |
| 06:12.00 | Nyle | Penix: if you really want a listen/peek at what i can do, (which isn't much) is @ http://www.youtube.com/bungnugget > classical + metal/rock(neoclassical/speed) |
| 06:12.08 | Nyle | thanks |
| 06:12.17 | jetscreamer | coondogster: if you use the nvidia binary .run, using this directive should fix your mesa errors (until xorg gets updated again) sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.07-pkg0.run -anN --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
| 06:12.24 | Penix | Nyle: sounds pretty good considering |
| 06:12.47 | Nyle | but hey |
| 06:12.51 | Penix | Nyle: ardour+jack sounds like it might be a good idea for your setup though |
| 06:12.52 | Nyle | good and cool accomplishment |
| 06:12.57 | Nyle | make a debian recording studio |
| 06:13.15 | Nyle | Gnu_Raiz: rift? you mean riff? |
| 06:13.17 | Gnu_Raiz | I am surprised it played, in mplayer. |
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| 06:13.19 | Penix | my whole 'studio' is debian |
| 06:13.19 | coondogster | well I got compiz install but I try to run Compiz I get a segmentation fault |
| 06:13.20 | jetscreamer | oh you're bungnugget |
| 06:13.24 | Gnu_Raiz | yeah. |
| 06:13.30 | Penix | never touched a pro windows audio app in my life |
| 06:13.31 | Nyle | jetscreamer: indeed |
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| 06:13.55 | Nyle | jetscreamer: i know i suck |
| 06:14.00 | jetscreamer | i suck too |
| 06:14.06 | jetscreamer | what? |
| 06:14.10 | Invert314 | Redhat argues that the FOSS movement is about Choice in this brilliant artistic video: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=1rSLQAqV2Lw& how is FOSS about choice? I need to know because I am writing a blog on it. |
| 06:14.12 | jetscreamer | where did that come from |
| 06:14.15 | Nyle | what? |
| 06:14.25 | jetscreamer | <Nyle> jetscreamer: i know i suck |
| 06:14.36 | Nyle | 01:12 < jetscreamer> oh you're bungnugget |
| 06:14.38 | Gorbulas | that's not really a blog topic |
| 06:14.57 | simonrvn | more like a (few) blog post(s) |
| 06:14.59 | jetscreamer | no, Penix is bungnugget |
| 06:15.01 | Nyle | jetscreamer: don't talk to me until you watch the vids |
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| 06:15.06 | Penix | jetscreamer: eh? why? |
| 06:15.19 | Penix | and, what? |
| 06:15.23 | Nyle | who? |
| 06:15.27 | jetscreamer | http://www.youtube.com/bungnugget |
| 06:15.34 | Nyle | thas me man |
| 06:15.45 | jetscreamer | o |
| 06:15.52 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:15.54 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 06:15.59 | Penix | !lose jetscreamer |
| 06:15.59 | dpkg | jetscreamer: You Lose. |
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| 06:17.02 | Nyle | feast on the shred! |
| 06:17.39 | Nyle | me eats before smoking |
| 06:17.51 | Penix | pfft. lightweight |
| 06:17.54 | Penix | ;) |
| 06:17.56 | jetscreamer | yeh being full seems to make you not get the munchies |
| 06:17.57 | Nyle | heh |
| 06:18.05 | jetscreamer | or was it hungry |
| 06:18.12 | jetscreamer | whatever the opposite is |
| 06:18.16 | Nyle | i got food before smoke |
| 06:18.20 | Nyle | but i also got munchie food |
| 06:18.22 | Gnu_Raiz | now for some fergie. |
| 06:18.27 | Nyle | like peanuts, chips, dried fruite ice cream |
| 06:18.28 | Nyle | etc. |
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| 06:18.50 | Gnu_Raiz | clumsy, |
| 06:18.51 | Nyle | what did you think of the quality |
| 06:18.53 | Nyle | btw |
| 06:19.03 | Gnu_Raiz | you mean the sound, or the video. |
| 06:19.04 | Nyle | my sound quality is ok for not having more than 20$ worth equipment |
| 06:19.12 | Gnu_Raiz | the sound was good, video was a little grainy. |
| 06:19.19 | Gnu_Raiz | but it's flash. |
| 06:19.21 | Nyle | and the music? |
| 06:19.23 | jetscreamer | the vid SUCKED! :) |
| 06:19.31 | Nyle | course it did |
| 06:19.33 | jetscreamer | where were the hot naked babes??? |
| 06:19.42 | Nyle | they are sittin on my bed watchin me play |
| 06:19.45 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:19.56 | Nyle | two big butt spanish chics |
| 06:20.03 | Nyle | goth wannabes |
| 06:20.06 | Nyle | heh |
| 06:20.21 | Nyle | i told em i played metal and had a big bag |
| 06:20.34 | Nyle | then i woke up |
| 06:20.41 | Nyle | it happens a lot |
| 06:21.12 | Nyle | man |
| 06:21.17 | Nyle | i should write a tribute to debian |
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| 06:21.24 | Nyle | death metal |
| 06:21.38 | Penix | openbsd's usually after release songs |
| 06:21.49 | Nyle | no seriously |
| 06:22.03 | mhall | Guys, I am getting a weird build failure on the nvidia-kernel-source in module-assistant. I think it thinks it unpacked the source but it actually didn't. Any suggestion how to make it forget and redo it? |
| 06:22.07 | Nyle | i've always had a dream of a math based technical death band that talks about hacking and programing and evil stuff like that |
| 06:22.14 | Nyle | mhall: hi |
| 06:22.18 | Nyle | long time no see man |
| 06:22.33 | Nyle | where have you BEEN! |
| 06:22.39 | mhall | Nyle: long story |
| 06:22.40 | jetscreamer | there is an overwrite directive |
| 06:22.46 | Nyle | -f |
| 06:22.50 | Nyle | force it |
| 06:23.16 | jetscreamer | yeah if it's there it won't unpack it again |
| 06:23.17 | Nyle | m-a a-i nvidia -f |
| 06:23.22 | Nyle | i think |
| 06:23.23 | jetscreamer | -f was it |
| 06:23.25 | jetscreamer | iirc |
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| 06:25.00 | mhall | not working guys... and i can't find where it unpacked onto the FS anywhere |
| 06:25.15 | Nyle | also you said build failiure\? |
| 06:25.16 | Nyle | d |
| 06:25.19 | mhall | i searched the whole fs from / for \*nvidia\* and no dice |
| 06:25.24 | mhall | Nyle: yeah with blank buildlog too |
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| 06:25.32 | Nyle | what did you do |
| 06:25.32 | mhall | Nyle: last time it happened was cause source did not unpack |
| 06:25.49 | jetscreamer | :o sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.07-pkg0.run -anN --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
| 06:25.51 | mhall | Nyle: and last time i was able to remove cache files from /var/cache/modass and get it fixed |
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| 06:25.57 | mhall | Nyle: but did not work this time |
| 06:25.58 | Nyle | is there a post/pre inst problem with nvidia kernel soruce pacakge? |
| 06:26.05 | Nyle | hm |
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| 06:26.17 | jetscreamer | it's still not in lenny, or so i heard |
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| 06:26.50 | Nyle | because actually if its an error before unpacking or if its not unpacking then its a preinst script |
| 06:26.53 | Nyle | somewhere |
| 06:26.59 | Nyle | or whatever man |
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| 06:27.56 | mhall | fucking hell |
| 06:28.15 | Nyle | hey |
| 06:28.28 | Nyle | what are some useful irssi scripts you guys frequently or always use? |
| 06:29.12 | jetscreamer | i still don't see the point of using the frequently flaky and cranky debian nvidia package over the always works flawlessly nvidia.run |
| 06:29.25 | mhall | jetscreamer: never failed this bad before |
| 06:29.26 | jetscreamer | oh, and old |
| 06:29.51 | Nyle | jetscreamer: yeh, I use the ati installer too |
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| 06:29.57 | jetscreamer | i mean, it's the same binary just a different installer |
| 06:29.59 | jetscreamer | right? |
| 06:30.03 | Nyle | i just generate the new source packages for debian and use m-a with em |
| 06:30.10 | Nyle | ehmmm |
| 06:30.21 | Nyle | no |
| 06:30.23 | Nyle | not really |
| 06:30.35 | Nyle | if its the same driver version then yeh |
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| 06:30.52 | jetscreamer | well yeah given same versions |
| 06:30.58 | matadon | Is there a Debian/Japanese IRC channel? |
| 06:31.02 | Nyle | !jp |
| 06:31.02 | dpkg | it has been said that jp is Japan |
| 06:31.03 | jetscreamer | !jp[ |
| 06:31.06 | jetscreamer | dammit |
| 06:31.20 | matadon | Hahaha. |
| 06:31.22 | jetscreamer | i think #debian-jp maybe |
| 06:31.25 | matadon | Thanks. |
| 06:31.30 | jetscreamer | !japanese |
| 06:31.30 | dpkg | hmm... japanese is #debian-japanese Turning japanese i think i'm turning japanese i really think so! |
| 06:31.31 | matadon | Or not. |
| 06:31.34 | jetscreamer | there it is |
| 06:31.34 | Nyle | how do you type over 50k kanji on irc? |
| 06:31.45 | Nyle | or even 1500 kanji |
| 06:31.47 | matadon | Nyle: It's Japanese; you don't need that many. |
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| 06:31.55 | Nyle | or even 1000 |
| 06:32.06 | jetscreamer | with a very large keyboard? |
| 06:32.10 | Nyle | need at least 1k to read most jap lit |
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| 06:32.22 | matadon | Nyle: Need more like 3k to read most literature. |
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| 06:32.29 | Nyle | I mean you can even get away with 600-700 |
| 06:32.33 | morphir | I'm trying to set up a pxe boot over tftp.. have anyone here done that before? |
| 06:32.40 | Nyle | but how on a friggin regular ol pc keybard can you do that |
| 06:32.41 | jetscreamer | !pxe |
| 06:32.41 | dpkg | it has been said that pxe is a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 06:32.43 | Nyle | im just curious |
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| 06:32.59 | jetscreamer | hth |
| 06:33.00 | Nyle | morphir: i have an ubutnu server wich serves the debian installer over pxe |
| 06:33.01 | morphir | jetscreamer, thanks ;) |
| 06:33.01 | Davo_Dinkum | 1 kuyo? |
| 06:33.02 | matadon | Nyle: ã“ã†ã«ç°¡å˜ã§ãã¾ã™ã‚ˆã€‚ |
| 06:33.18 | Nyle | yeh see i just see boxes |
| 06:33.24 | matadon | You just use a proper input method. |
| 06:33.24 | Nyle | even though i have utf |
| 06:33.26 | jetscreamer | i have the fonts ! |
| 06:33.29 | Gorbulas | I see hirigana |
| 06:33.31 | Davo_Dinkum | utf8 ftw |
| 06:33.43 | simonrvn | i saw it, didn't understand one bit |
| 06:33.43 | Nyle | oh nm |
| 06:33.45 | Nyle | im on putty |
| 06:33.48 | jetscreamer | i don't like seeing the boxes |
| 06:33.49 | Nyle | goddamn putty |
| 06:33.53 | morphir | Nyle, are you ok with me asking some questions if necessery over pm? |
| 06:33.56 | Davo_Dinkum | Nyle: you type in kana and convert it to kanji |
| 06:34.25 | Davo_Dinkum | or romaji |
| 06:34.42 | Gorbulas | if you set it up correctly you type romanji and it converts to hirigana and then you can convert again |
| 06:35.02 | matadon | I'm using Colloquy, which seems to handle UTF on IRC just fine. |
| 06:35.14 | Gorbulas | me too |
| 06:35.31 | morphir | Nyle, it seems that I got good documentation here;) no worries :) |
| 06:35.37 | Nyle | ahh |
| 06:35.39 | Nyle | now i see some |
| 06:35.42 | Nyle | cool |
| 06:36.48 | jetscreamer | so what is the picture, nyle |
| 06:36.58 | Nyle | لأخوة العرب الرجاء الإنتباه إلى أن هذه النسخة من الملÙات مرمزة بصيغة |
| 06:37.07 | Nyle | Chalba Chalba |
| 06:37.18 | Davo_Dinkum | pretty |
| 06:37.22 | Nyle | utf kicks buttocks |
| 06:37.27 | Nyle | jetscreamer: picture? |
| 06:37.33 | jetscreamer | painting, not picture |
| 06:37.38 | Nyle | morphir: no ask here |
| 06:38.02 | jetscreamer | did you make that painting? hehebungnugget (2 weeks ago) Show Hide Marked as spamReplyYou should know what painting that is :) |
| 06:38.17 | Nyle | oh no man |
| 06:38.24 | Nyle | thats a famous piece |
| 06:38.33 | Nyle | i can't belive you are asking me abou tit |
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| 06:38.40 | Nyle | YOU should know what that painting in the guitar video is |
| 06:38.56 | Nyle | seriously im not gonna tell you |
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| 06:40.39 | jetscreamer | i have no idea |
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| 06:41.23 | Nyle | not into art eh |
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| 06:42.45 | jetscreamer | i know when i like something |
| 06:42.53 | jetscreamer | ah so you have bcrich too |
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| 06:43.28 | jetscreamer | i miss my gibson |
| 06:43.59 | Nostahl | is there something i can do with apt or something to check if i got a nice clean install |
| 06:44.12 | Penix | Nostahl: what's that supposed to mean? |
| 06:44.20 | cizzi | \amethyst from what I've been reading it seems dns can do what I was asking earlier.. if I have my registrars DNS for my domain point to my server which has a DNS server isntalled it can then point to hosts that I defined on my local subnet.. no? |
| 06:44.20 | jetscreamer | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:44.24 | simonrvn | dpkg --audit |
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| 06:44.58 | simonrvn | cizzi: /etc/hosts doesn't enter dns ever |
| 06:45.06 | cizzi | i know |
| 06:45.12 | jetscreamer | dist-upgrade wil get lots of stuff if a fresh install |
| 06:45.12 | cizzi | i was refering to add-host |
| 06:45.13 | Nostahl | dpkg --audit doesnt return anything |
| 06:45.20 | cizzi | or some other command script from tinydns |
| 06:45.30 | cizzi | creates a file called 'data' |
| 06:45.34 | cizzi | which has the hosts in it |
| 06:45.38 | cizzi | and the dns server external ip |
| 06:45.46 | jetscreamer | Nyle: i like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkSDNLjZz9Y best |
| 06:45.49 | \amethyst | cizzi: DNS reports the IP address back to the requester |
| 06:45.53 | Nostahl | i did dist-upgrade to get to lenny from etch |
| 06:45.57 | \amethyst | cizzi: suppose it reported back 192.168.0.1 |
| 06:45.58 | Nostahl | i just want to make sure i have everything |
| 06:46.01 | Nyle | jetscreamer: i have a 1971 custom made 2 piece Les Paul made @ gibson by my uncle, witout any logos, serial # or anything |
| 06:46.07 | simonrvn | Nostahl: that's your answer |
| 06:46.10 | cizzi | \amethyst then im screwed lol |
| 06:46.12 | \amethyst | cizzi: now the requester tries connecting to 192.168.0.1 |
| 06:46.25 | jetscreamer | gimme |
| 06:46.30 | jetscreamer | give it to me now |
| 06:46.31 | Nostahl | whats my answer |
| 06:46.32 | \amethyst | cizzi: your public DNS should report public IP addresses |
| 06:46.35 | Nyle | jetscreamer: its priceless |
| 06:46.37 | cizzi | \amethyst but you see my point though? wwould be cool if something did that |
| 06:46.41 | Nyle | #music |
| 06:46.41 | \amethyst | cizzi: is it web serving you're looking to do? |
| 06:46.45 | jetscreamer | that's why you will GIVE it to me |
| 06:46.48 | simonrvn | Nostahl: nothing's broken |
| 06:46.51 | Nyle | they are talking about debian again |
| 06:46.52 | Nyle | dammit |
| 06:46.54 | Nyle | #music |
| 06:46.58 | cizzi | \amethyst - just being able to access any machine without a static ip for each one |
| 06:47.11 | jetscreamer | nat on your linksys |
| 06:47.15 | \amethyst | cizzi: "access" how? |
| 06:47.19 | jetscreamer | go into the routers web interface |
| 06:47.22 | \amethyst | cizzi: ssh, http, ftp, what? |
| 06:47.27 | jetscreamer | 192.168.1.1 |
| 06:47.27 | cizzi | ssh for example.. is a different port the onyl solution? |
| 06:47.28 | Nyle | jetscreamer: what do you like about it? |
| 06:47.28 | Nostahl | simonrvn i've been having a problem. i try and open a program and it appears to start but it dosnt open anything up |
| 06:47.33 | cizzi | yeah |
| 06:47.39 | jetscreamer | Nyle: i just know what i like |
| 06:47.44 | Nyle | ok |
| 06:47.45 | jetscreamer | like art :)( |
| 06:47.46 | \amethyst | cizzi: another solution is to ssh into your router and then ssh from there into the local address |
| 06:47.48 | Nyle | heh |
| 06:47.49 | Nyle | ok |
| 06:47.50 | Nyle | thanks |
| 06:47.54 | simonrvn | Nostahl: has nothing to do with the package management |
| 06:48.06 | cizzi | \amethyst yeah thats good too |
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| 06:48.14 | jetscreamer | Nyle: it's probably more you and not yngwie-ish is probably why |
| 06:48.22 | cizzi | \amethyst - i was just reading a book on linux networking admin... so i thought the dns thing did this |
| 06:48.40 | Nyle | jetscreamer: hey i dont' deliberately try to play yngwish stuff |
| 06:48.43 | \amethyst | cizzi: all DNS does is takes a name, and gives you an IP address |
| 06:48.46 | Nyle | thats just what i like so thats what usually comes out |
| 06:48.52 | Nyle | my original work is what you hear now yes |
| 06:48.54 | cizzi | so if the ip is internal its a no go |
| 06:48.57 | cizzi | i understand now |
| 06:49.08 | cizzi | if i had 10 static ips it would work? |
| 06:49.14 | \amethyst | cizzi: yes |
| 06:49.19 | cizzi | allright |
| 06:49.39 | \amethyst | or if you have some kind of program to multiplex connections on the router |
| 06:49.49 | \amethyst | for example, a reverse proxy |
| 06:49.57 | cizzi | i don't know what that is yet |
| 06:50.08 | \amethyst | cizzi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_proxy |
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| 06:50.13 | darky | hi pplz |
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| 06:54.39 | appelza | Hi guys, I have this block of text, how can I print each line seperately (i tried for i in `cat...`) but it ends up print each word on a new line |
| 06:54.45 | appelza | http://pastie.caboo.se/137612 |
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| 06:56.13 | kgoetz | appelza: perhaps try #bash |
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| 06:57.02 | appelza | nm, got it with a while loop |
| 06:57.03 | appelza | :] |
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| 06:57.22 | kgoetz | :) |
| 06:57.26 | santu | kapcid is accupiying 50% of my cpu my system is intel(R) core(Tm) 2 Duo core so how to solve this? |
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| 06:58.27 | simonrvn | look at syslog, probably something odd going on |
| 06:59.15 | \amethyst | santu: maybe http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/kacpid-eating-cpu-99-cpu-time-213429/ |
| 06:59.29 | simonrvn | even better |
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| 07:00.07 | santu | yeah i have followed whats there i that link by adding the line acpi=off in the /etc/grub/menu.lst |
| 07:00.21 | santu | but after doing that its howing only one processor |
| 07:03.15 | \amethyst | santu: try acpi=ht |
| 07:03.47 | santu | may i know what is ht |
| 07:04.22 | santu | amethyst: Should I add in the same kernel line??? |
| 07:04.37 | \amethyst | santu: it enables just enough acpi to work with hyperthreading, but not full acpi support |
| 07:04.48 | \amethyst | santu: yes, where you had acpi=off before |
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| 07:05.09 | santu | amethyst:yeah i will try it out and come to u again |
| 07:05.15 | \amethyst | santu: also, a number of the web hits are suggesting to check your temperatures |
| 07:05.40 | santu | yeah i have done that also everything seems to be fine |
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| 07:06.27 | \amethyst | santu: gtg now, good luck |
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| 07:07.43 | siimo | monodevelop is not in Lenny? o_O |
| 07:07.49 | santu | amethyst:yeah thanks a lot |
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| 07:10.02 | simonrvn | !why is monodevelop not in testing |
| 07:10.02 | dpkg | monodevelop is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=monodevelop |
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| 07:10.43 | santu | amethyst:it really worked man |
| 07:10.50 | santu | amethyst:thanks a lot |
| 07:11.04 | santu | amethyst:now its not using cpu at all |
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| 07:11.18 | rmrfchik | hi |
| 07:11.34 | rmrfchik | in 2.6.23 firmware for yamaha sound card was removed |
| 07:11.47 | rmrfchik | can I download it from somewhere? |
| 07:13.20 | siimo | cheers simon |
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| 07:18.00 | test1-ba-pdgin | I have a big problem with apt-get system as follows: |
| 07:18.51 | test1-ba-pdgin | I downlowded all of repository of ubuntu from archive.ubuntu.com and made a local repository for my own but |
| 07:19.22 | test1-ba-pdgin | afterrunning the "apt-get update" command it tells me: |
| 07:19.37 | test1-ba-pdgin | E: Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of. |
| 07:20.01 | moshii | test1-ba-pdgin: we don't support ubuntu |
| 07:20.06 | simonrvn | wrong channel |
| 07:20.36 | test1-ba-pdgin | it seems from that message is that the size of my repository , isn't it ? |
| 07:20.52 | simonrvn | wrong channel |
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| 07:22.29 | bullgard4 | In /usr/share/doc/uswsusp there are two changelogs: changelog.Debian.gz und changelog.gz. Why have been made two changelogs? (This happens in other DEB program packages also.) |
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| 07:25.56 | sep | bullgard4, the changelog.gz is the changelog for the application, the changelog.Debian.gz is the changelog for the Debian packaging of the application. |
| 07:26.07 | sep | iirc |
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| 07:26.19 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:26.43 | bullgard4 | sep: Thank you for commenting. |
| 07:27.00 | liable | hrm, if i edited my nvram data, and it was wrong, would pulling the cmos battery fix it? |
| 07:27.16 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 07:27.21 | sep | liable, usualy yes. but it would have to be out some secs |
| 07:27.35 | liable | cool |
| 07:27.40 | simonrvn | 20-30 s should do |
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| 07:27.41 | sep | liable, and there is often a motherboard jumper to disconnect the battery too. |
| 07:27.58 | liable | sep: tis a laptop, dunno if it would have it |
| 07:28.11 | sep | liable, usualy have 2 small pads that you short. |
| 07:28.20 | sep | liable, but the battery shouold do the trick |
| 07:28.26 | liable | sweet |
| 07:28.27 | sep | and it's not so darn small :) |
| 07:28.50 | sep | i belive the pads are often easily accessible (eg under the mamory module) or something |
| 07:29.04 | sep | also it should be in the laptop manual :) |
| 07:29.10 | liable | i think i remember seeing it just under the palm rest |
| 07:29.26 | Gorbulas | mamory module ô.o? |
| 07:29.42 | liable | heh, wonder what he has on the brain ;) |
| 07:29.47 | sep | Gorbulas, s/mamory/memory/ |
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| 07:31.15 | test1-ba-pdgin | E: Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of. |
| 07:31.32 | moshii | test1-ba-pdgin: we don't support ubuntu |
| 07:32.36 | simonrvn | test1-ba-pdgin: /join #ubuntu |
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| 07:34.48 | SpeedyG | hm, is that some sort of ubuntu-specific error msg or somth? o_0 |
| 07:35.16 | SpeedyG | oh wait |
| 07:35.19 | simonrvn | i've never seen it anywhere. i suspect s/he has too many sources in sources.list |
| 07:35.39 | SpeedyG | heh, I just noticed he said 'running ubuntu' which has just left my window ;) |
| 07:36.16 | SpeedyG | I was wondering how you guys knew from that specific message it was ubuntu ;) |
| 07:36.42 | braindump03 | any ideas, how to use ~/bin in dmenu? |
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| 07:37.23 | simonrvn | braindump03: what does that mean? |
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| 07:38.43 | braindump03 | simonrvn, dmenu is not looking for commands in ~/bin |
| 07:38.57 | simonrvn | wth is dmenu? |
| 07:39.12 | braindump03 | a "programm starter" for wmii |
| 07:39.35 | moshii | braindump03: $PATH? |
| 07:39.50 | braindump03 | moshii, its in there. |
| 07:40.10 | simonrvn | add ~/bin to your $PATH, maybe it's follwoing your $PATH, like moshii implied |
| 07:40.25 | moshii | braindump03: and if you do a which <insert something here> it's searching that PATH? |
| 07:40.43 | braindump03 | yep |
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| 07:41.10 | moshii | braindump03: maybe dmenu, whatever the shit that is, is retarded |
| 07:41.58 | moshii | braindump03: you have logged out logged in to make sure the path is getting set? |
| 07:42.18 | braindump03 | moshii, path is all fine! |
| 07:42.29 | simonrvn | hardcoding PATH in the binary would be stupid |
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| 07:43.41 | braindump03 | mhm. i'll link it from /usr/sbin -> ~/bin |
| 07:43.58 | moshii | braindump03: maybe it has it's own PATH-like setting |
| 07:44.57 | braindump03 | looks like. |
| 07:45.03 | braindump03 | but, with the link, it works. |
| 07:45.35 | moshii | braindump03: would be nicer if you could put it in /usr/local |
| 07:46.03 | braindump03 | mhm, k :) |
| 07:46.28 | zinx | GAHHH |
| 07:46.39 | zinx | where did my locales go?! :( |
| 07:46.48 | braindump03 | thx =) |
| 07:46.51 | zinx | what package does locale-gen/update-locale live in now? |
| 07:47.11 | moshii | zinx: locales, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 07:47.45 | moshii | zinx: or install the locales-all package if you have space/need a lot of locales |
| 07:48.00 | zinx | blergh, dpkg isn't listing anything but two files in it, but it occurs to me it may be uninstalled but not purged |
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| 07:48.23 | zinx | yes, that's it :x |
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| 07:52.51 | gawgadawgs | a girl died in 1933 by a homicidal murderer. He buried her in the ground when she was still alive. The murdered chanted, "Toma sota balcu" as he buried her. Now that you have read the chant, you will meet this little girl.In the middle of the night she will be on your ceiling.She will suffocate you like she was suffocated. If you post this, she will not bother you. Your kindness will be rewarded. |
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| 07:53.43 | Penix | gawgadawgs: we don't care |
| 07:53.55 | gawgadawgs | what this isnt myspace? |
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| 07:54.06 | gawgadawgs | I AM NOT GOOD WITH COMPUTERS HOW DID I GET HERE |
| 07:54.18 | Penix | go away |
| 07:54.23 | _ke | does anyone of you has a favourite when it comes to incremental ftp backups? |
| 07:54.29 | gawgadawgs | i have raped people for less Penix |
| 07:54.31 | gawgadawgs | dont fuck with me |
| 07:54.35 | Penix | !ops gawgadawgs is a moron |
| 07:54.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: penix complains about: gawgadawgs is a moron |
| 07:54.45 | gawgadawgs | !ops Penix spamming |
| 07:54.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: gawgadawgs complains about: Penix spamming |
| 07:54.52 | yang | Is there any software used for "video surveilance" ? |
| 07:54.54 | jelly-home | Penix: you're faster again! |
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| 07:59.21 | deadcat | i dont know why internet connection dont work after running iptables, output: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/iptables_status |
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| 08:03.12 | Gorbulas | deadcat: you're blocking all 10.10.32.0/24 traffic from entering or leaving wlan0 |
| 08:03.26 | Gorbulas | in the FORWARD chaint |
| 08:03.29 | Gorbulas | chain |
| 08:03.40 | deadcat | Gorbulas: in iptables.filter? |
| 08:04.34 | deadcat | Gorbulas: its suppose to drop everything from outside world. and open 22 80 and so on only. and allow local machine to go through. |
| 08:04.37 | Gorbulas | in the file you linked |
| 08:04.53 | deadcat | Gorbulas: what line in that file? |
| 08:05.07 | Gorbulas | look at the forward chain |
| 08:05.11 | deadcat | k |
| 08:06.05 | deadcat | i see. interesting. |
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| 08:07.58 | deadcat | Gorbulas: i have these 2 lines on my other machine but its not on the server: 1 0 0 ACCEPT all -- * wlan0 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED |
| 08:08.18 | Gorbulas | in the forward chain? |
| 08:08.19 | deadcat | Gorbulas: the desktop running the iptables script gives me 4 forward lines. only 2 on server... |
| 08:08.22 | deadcat | Gorbulas: ya |
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| 08:10.52 | Gorbulas | check the pkts fields in the tables |
| 08:11.14 | deadcat | k |
| 08:11.22 | Gorbulas | that's how many packets have matched the rule |
| 08:11.32 | blujay | Is it possible to install the Debian KDE4 packages alongside the KDE3 ones, without removing things like kicker from KDE3? |
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| 08:12.23 | Penix | blujay: most likely. 4.x is in experimental though and probably isn't really ready for general use |
| 08:12.44 | blujay | Penix: well, I ask because when I try to install kdebase-workspace, it wants to do things like remove kicker |
| 08:12.54 | yang | Is there any software for video surveilance ? |
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| 08:13.31 | Penix | yang: there are applications for viewing video from a camera and such |
| 08:13.40 | deadcat | yang: motion |
| 08:14.04 | deadcat | yang: theres another one webbase but i forgot the name. |
| 08:14.16 | Penix | blujay: sounds about right. being experimental unreleased stuff. bound to be something wrong a times |
| 08:14.24 | Penix | unless its meant to remove that |
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| 08:14.33 | Penix | s/a/at/ |
| 08:14.53 | Guerin | blujay: all of kde4 will likely be incompatible with all of kde3 |
| 08:14.54 | Penix | blujay: check the bts |
| 08:14.59 | blujay | Penix: I'm thinking about the future though. If the Debian KDE team is working towards replacing KDE3, then their packages may never be suitable for installing alongside KDE3. |
| 08:15.06 | blujay | Guerin: Do you mean in Debian, or in general? |
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| 08:15.29 | Penix | from what I can remember, 3.x was able to coexist with 2.x... |
| 08:15.35 | deadcat | Gorbulas: what does this usually mean? iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 08:15.38 | yang | nothing as powerfull as netavis observer...?* |
| 08:15.43 | Guerin | blujay: in debian, at least until the qt infrastructure is properly tuned to coexist (which it may never) |
| 08:15.47 | Penix | blujay: but, yeah, it's up to the packaging team I guess |
| 08:15.49 | deadcat | yang: dont know |
| 08:15.55 | blujay | Guerin: Qt4 installs and works fine already |
| 08:15.56 | Guerin | Penix: but gtk doesn't really play nice with multiple versions |
| 08:16.02 | Gorbulas | deadcat: what was the command? |
| 08:16.07 | Guerin | blujay: that's not the issue. |
| 08:16.13 | blujay | Guerin: I know... |
| 08:16.15 | _ke | what if im trying to generate a gpg key for a company? i mean, doesnt gpg require a real name? |
| 08:16.21 | blujay | Guerin: so what do you mean about the Qt infrastructure? |
| 08:16.32 | deadcat | Gorbulas: iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -i $WAN -m state --state NEW -m recent --set |
| 08:16.52 | Gorbulas | gpg data is not verified when you create a key |
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| 08:17.03 | Penix | _ke: how do you expect it to know if it's 'real' or not anyway? |
| 08:17.28 | _ke | Penix, capital letters, dots and that stuff. gpg checks that |
| 08:17.28 | jetscreamer | what is real? |
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| 08:17.55 | Penix | I just pictured bongos and a beret |
| 08:18.21 | deadcat | Gorbulas: i might be missing 1 iptables module in the kernel. |
| 08:18.25 | Gorbulas | deadcat: I think it's the -m recent |
| 08:18.55 | jetscreamer | xtables |
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| 08:19.07 | deadcat | jetscreamer: ya. i think so. |
| 08:19.10 | deadcat | thanks |
| 08:19.17 | jetscreamer | it's newish |
| 08:19.35 | jetscreamer | but i missed something else also, iirc |
| 08:20.07 | jetscreamer | cuz i enabled it, and i was still missing something... |
| 08:20.34 | jetscreamer | and apparently by the same name? |
| 08:20.39 | jetscreamer | (iirc) |
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| 08:21.44 | deadcat | jetscreamer: i think i have to enable alot of stuff in the x_tables section |
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| 08:23.11 | Blackhold | hello |
| 08:23.14 | jetscreamer | i've had some success in that section of menuconfig, but i now stay away from it and leave it at the debian default :) |
| 08:23.25 | jetscreamer | due to lack of success... :) |
| 08:23.37 | Blackhold | I would like to make a test of velocity between two computers, one is a windows an other a debian, how I can do that? |
| 08:23.47 | jetscreamer | velocity? |
| 08:23.50 | Blackhold | yes |
| 08:23.58 | Blackhold | I updated a server to gigabit network |
| 08:24.01 | jetscreamer | is that a program? |
| 08:24.09 | Blackhold | speed |
| 08:24.10 | Blackhold | sorry |
| 08:24.20 | jetscreamer | you want to compare upload/download speed |
| 08:24.25 | Blackhold | yes |
| 08:24.26 | jetscreamer | between the two |
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| 08:24.40 | jetscreamer | to a third point in the ethernet |
| 08:24.55 | Blackhold | if two were linux could use a sftp or scp |
| 08:25.02 | Blackhold | between the two |
| 08:25.27 | Blackhold | they have both gigabit network cads, and a gigabit switch between they |
| 08:27.32 | Blackhold | I think i'm gonna install a sftp client and download something |
| 08:27.39 | kaxi | does anybody have an idea on how i can insert a message into pages as they pass through my squid proxy? |
| 08:28.03 | kaxi | sort of how google displays cached pages |
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| 08:29.23 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:29.38 | deadcat | Gorbulas: i am missing recent and state, thats why those lines failed |
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| 08:30.21 | ab3l | hi i ve burned a dvd with debian 4r2 ia64 but it refuses to boot on a pc with t2310 |
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| 08:31.13 | tralala | ab3l, I'm not sure what t2310 is but if it's intel core2 you need amd64, not ia64 |
| 08:32.03 | jetscreamer | ia64 is totally different from cor2duo |
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| 08:32.18 | deadcat | Gorbulas: jetscreamer: thanks for helping me out on this. one fucker in #iptables wanted me to pay $50/hour. so i just left that shit. |
| 08:32.30 | ab3l | it first generation core duo |
| 08:32.34 | ab3l | not core 2 duo |
| 08:32.43 | jetscreamer | you want the amd64 image |
| 08:32.49 | jetscreamer | the name is decieving |
| 08:32.51 | tralala | ab3l, still it isn't ia64 |
| 08:32.53 | jetscreamer | ei |
| 08:33.00 | jetscreamer | whichever |
| 08:33.04 | tralala | !ia64 |
| 08:33.04 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 08:34.05 | ab3l | ok thx |
| 08:34.13 | ab3l | (wasted æ dvd) |
| 08:34.17 | sep | !amd64 |
| 08:34.17 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
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| 08:35.46 | ab3l | sep mean i don't also need amd64 ? |
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| 08:38.59 | sep | ab3l, depends on your needs. |
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| 08:40.17 | sep | ab3l, if you are going to use many 3rd party applications they may have issues with 64bit. so i386 would make your life easier. but if you want to run 64bit applications then amd64 is the way to go. also if you have more then 4GB ram 64bit is a big advantage. |
| 08:40.22 | tralala | ab3l, amd64 only delivers more performance for heavy computations or big data. If you don't do that you don't need amd64. |
| 08:40.56 | ab3l | i just wanna load the fastest since the pc itself isn't too good |
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| 08:41.46 | sep | ab3l, amd64 will be faster. for programa that support 64 bit, but you you sacrifice ease of use, and some programs that just dont work in 64 bit |
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| 08:42.15 | ManoLan | hi all |
| 08:42.41 | tralala | ab3l, what kind of use? |
| 08:43.18 | ab3l | tralala, just to fuel a laptop and don't take hours to load or gigs of ram to start |
| 08:43.50 | ab3l | justa a question i've an "old" 4.0r0 i386 dvd is that a big change from that to r2? |
| 08:44.36 | tralala | not as big as downloading it again. Install that and upgrade to 42 |
| 08:44.38 | tralala | r2 |
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| 08:45.01 | ab3l | with distuègrade ot what ? |
| 08:45.09 | tralala | yes |
| 08:45.16 | ab3l | ok |
| 08:45.40 | ab3l | (it would take me more 5 hours to download debian again) :P |
| 08:46.35 | zealo | deadcat: $50/hour? I had thought people on irc were all volunteers |
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| 08:47.55 | zealo | deadcat: anyway, that's his choice, you need not call him 'fxxker',hehe |
| 08:48.44 | zealo | deadcat: just let him be, many more others can help you :) |
| 08:49.02 | deadcat | zealo: i know. that shithead |
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| 08:49.13 | deadcat | oh. |
| 08:49.14 | deadcat | (= |
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| 08:49.33 | zealo | deadcat: calm down, buddy :) |
| 08:49.49 | deadcat | zealo: i just said "thats fine" to him and left that channel |
| 08:50.07 | zealo | deadcat: :) |
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| 08:57.30 | ManoLan | excuse me, what's the name of the package I must intall along with gcc to have all needed .h? I remember something about essentials, but forgot the name :( |
| 08:58.05 | ManoLan | is it build-essential? |
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| 09:01.46 | tralala | ManoLan, no single package has all the needed headers |
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| 09:02.11 | Gorbulas | but there is one for the standard set of headers |
| 09:02.21 | ManoLan | Gorbulas: I think it is built-essentials |
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| 09:02.50 | JohnnyST | hi how do I enable perl in apach2 in Ethc? |
| 09:03.15 | JohnnyST | it currently donwloads the .pl file instead of executing it. |
| 09:03.30 | tralala | ManoLan, the package is called build-essential and I don't think it has any headers. Maybe you're looking for libc6-dev |
| 09:03.34 | zealo | ManoLan: I think libc6-dev is more basic than other libXXX-dev |
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| 09:03.49 | zealo | tralala: Great minds think alike :D |
| 09:03.51 | zealo | :P |
| 09:04.41 | zealo | ManoLan: and further, if you want to build some app from source, ./configure will tell you what it needs |
| 09:05.13 | tralala | JohnnyST, /msg dpkg mod_perl |
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| 09:06.00 | ManoLan | zealo: I´m installing vmware-tools and it asks just for what it needs, no configure. Just one more question, what package should I install to get the headers of my kernel? vmware needs it to build some modules to install :/ |
| 09:06.29 | tralala | ManoLan, linux-headers-<your version here> |
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| 09:06.44 | ManoLan | tralala: lota thanks mate. |
| 09:06.47 | zealo | tralala: :) |
| 09:06.55 | zealo | tralala: you are fast |
| 09:06.59 | tralala | ManoLan, you're welcome |
| 09:07.06 | tralala | zealo, I'm practicing ;) |
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| 09:09.20 | zealo | ManoLan: and you may google vmware-any-any-updates if you need newer vmware updates |
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| 09:09.42 | moldy | hi |
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| 09:19.37 | ab3l | hi there a way to chenge the way ram is allocated/swap used? |
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| 09:20.36 | sep | ab3l, there is a way to do anything, but is it worth it ? |
| 09:20.38 | moldy | can i downgrade a system from unstable to stable? |
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| 09:21.08 | sep | !downgrade |
| 09:21.08 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 09:21.37 | sep | moldy, iow, backup userdata, reinstall restore user data. |
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| 09:22.04 | moldy | sep: ugh :( thx... |
| 09:22.30 | msn | moldy: you can move to testing from unstable |
| 09:22.40 | msn | moldy: that's risky but not impossible |
| 09:22.41 | sep | moldy, keep in mind that userdata that are in a binary format, may not work with the older version of the application. eg mysql databases, |
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| 09:23.07 | sep | then you must do some magic to convert it back to the older format. and that's dependant on the applicatins you use |
| 09:23.30 | SpeedyG | for mysql, you could just make an sql-dump and insert it in the older version right / |
| 09:23.34 | SpeedyG | ? |
| 09:23.40 | moldy | some genius installed unstable on a production samba server and i happen to be the one having to fix it now :-/ |
| 09:23.45 | msn | for DBs you can take sql backups and reinsert |
| 09:24.10 | moldy | samba-spawned processes coredump sometimes, according to the logs |
| 09:24.11 | msn | moldy: change the repos in sources from unstable to testing |
| 09:24.26 | msn | remove samba and get it again |
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| 09:24.47 | moldy | msn: thx, will try that |
| 09:25.11 | msn | and its actually quiet possible you will end up wit testing host in case you havent run dist-upgrade for a while |
| 09:25.11 | SpeedyG | hm, testing on a productionmachine isnt really desirable either is it? :) |
| 09:25.15 | msn | for a while=2 months |
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| 09:25.28 | msn | well its better than unstable |
| 09:25.51 | moldy | we`ll reinstall eventually |
| 09:26.01 | msn | but atleast it wont coredump |
| 09:26.06 | msn | or there is another way |
| 09:26.18 | msn | i think for specific packages you can do a downgrade |
| 09:26.22 | dada | eventually |
| 09:26.24 | msn | for that you have to study apt.conf |
| 09:26.33 | SpeedyG | speaking of samba, I should start doing something usefull and setup my sambabox to connect to the ADS |
| 09:26.57 | msn | i need to setup a box to integrate samba ldap and kerberso |
| 09:26.59 | msn | :P |
| 09:27.08 | msn | somedya |
| 09:27.10 | SpeedyG | i'm thinking of winbind |
| 09:27.13 | msn | someday :P |
| 09:27.22 | dada | winbind |
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| 09:33.19 | dada | my current gcc version is not the same with the version my kernel compiled with.then how can i install the vmware player |
| 09:33.47 | zenwryly | I want to transfer my installation from one laptop to another over the network. Both are using LUKS/LVM setups for encrypted root and swap. I want to access the encrypted volumes when the laptops are booted from live CDs so I can copy over the files using rsync. But I have no idea how to mount my root partitions when not booted by my installed OS. How do I do that? |
| 09:36.03 | koeien | cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/hda2 cryptroot |
| 09:36.06 | koeien | for example |
| 09:36.19 | koeien | then mount /dev/mapper/cryptroot |
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| 09:39.31 | zenwryly | koeien: what about the LVM bits? The crypt volume is the LVM physical volume that contains swap and root |
| 09:40.09 | koeien | zenwryly: not sure |
| 09:40.20 | mosno | i have a regular lan-to-internet home setup with a linux-based router/gatway and a linux desktop machine. i was planning to do regular portforwarding to a static IP for the desktop, but what i want to do is AUTHENTICATE the desktop machine's identity and then pipe (proxy?) the bittorent traffic to it. what software exists if any to implement this? |
| 09:40.26 | koeien | zenwryly: my LWM knowledge is limited |
| 09:40.55 | zenwryly | koeien: ok, thanks! |
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| 09:42.41 | koeien | mosno: ssh tunnels? you'll get encryption for free |
| 09:43.09 | koeien | mosno: if you don't encrypt it it can be sniffed |
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| 09:43.10 | mosno | koeien: but how to handle the dynamic nature of bittorent connections? |
| 09:45.06 | koeien | mosno: not sure, you'll get incoming connections only on certain ports? |
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| 09:45.46 | koeien | mosno: can't you just tunnel ports 6881..6889 for example? |
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| 09:46.43 | koeien | hmm the tunnels may be killed once the connection closes... i would just test it to see if it works |
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| 09:47.00 | joltcan | mosno: You could also run a command-line bittorrent client (like rtorrent) in a screen on the server. That is how I do it. Just download the .torrent files to your regular computer and copy them to a dir on the server where rtorrent automatically starts them |
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| 09:47.44 | koeien | joltcan: yes that's what I do as well |
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| 09:48.04 | koeien | in that case your desktop can be swithced off as well |
| 09:48.13 | koeien | (if unused) |
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| 09:49.47 | Gorbulas | if you want to do that, Azureus can be run with a web interface instead of the SWT interface |
| 09:49.49 | moldy | how do i install the kernel source and headers for a specific kernel version? |
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| 09:50.28 | mosno | koeien: i sort of want to make sure that those ports are only forwarding actual bittorrent traffic, so i guess i need a content inspector |
| 09:50.41 | tralala | moldy, aptitude install linux-{source,headers}-<specific version> |
| 09:50.48 | joltcan | mosno: Running something like openvpn between the server and the desktop and then assigning the default route to the vpn would mean that all you desktop traffic would go via your home computers connection. That is another option |
| 09:51.27 | mosno | joltcan: the server can't store the bittorent files, there's only embedded-level storage |
| 09:51.35 | creative | hy |
| 09:51.37 | creative | Extracting the package tarball, /usr/src/fglrx.tar.bz2, please wait... |
| 09:51.37 | creative | "/usr/share/modass/packages/fglrx-kernel-src" build KVERS=2.6.23-1-amd64 KSRC=/lib/modules/2.6.23-1-amd64/build KDREV=2.6.23-2 kdist_image |
| 09:52.02 | creative | i always get this err message when module-assistant working |
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| 09:52.12 | creative | sid/7.12 fglrx |
| 09:52.14 | moldy | tralala: hm, no package found with that name |
| 09:52.15 | Gorbulas | that's not an error message |
| 09:52.16 | creative | could any1 help |
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| 09:53.18 | tralala | creative, run m-a -t build and don't paste in the channel |
| 09:53.55 | tralala | ma -t build fglrx that is |
| 09:54.06 | tralala | !typosmite me |
| 09:54.44 | Supaplex | dpkg: make me some food |
| 09:54.47 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 09:54.59 | mosno | i guess what i'm trying to do is a) prevent IP spoofing, b) ensure the forwarded traffic is actually speaking bittorrent and isn't say a hack attempt. invalid protocol messages should drop the conneciton |
| 09:55.14 | tralala | moldy, paste the command and the output on rafb.net/paste |
| 09:55.22 | mosno | joltcan: the openvpn might be an option, thanks |
| 09:55.23 | joltcan | mosno: Ah, thats a bug |
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| 09:55.36 | mosno | joltcan: eh? how so? |
| 09:55.54 | creative | tralala, http://pastebin.com/m208cf615 |
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| 09:56.06 | tralala | mosno, so you want to set up a torrent server on a lan machine and forward the connection requests to it? |
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| 09:57.16 | tralala | creative, are you running i386 with amd64 kernel? |
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| 09:57.47 | creative | ?? |
| 09:58.01 | dbe | I cant apt-get remove mldonkey-server, can anyone help please?: http://rafb.net/p/ENNESX41.html |
| 09:58.07 | creative | i have an amd64fx 3500+ |
| 09:58.14 | creative | with amd64 kernel |
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| 09:58.45 | joltcan | mosno: Nevermind, I just to download files directly to my storage :) |
| 09:58.48 | creative | ive installed it from synaptic |
| 09:59.00 | tralala | creative, give me the output of 'ldd /lib/libc.so.6' |
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| 09:59.07 | mosno | joltcan: ok |
| 09:59.28 | mosno | tralala: more or less. i don't know WHAT the solution is, i just know my goals |
| 09:59.35 | mosno | sort of :) |
| 09:59.40 | creative | tralala, http://pastebin.com/d18814b46 |
| 10:00.46 | tralala | creative, you are running a 64bit kernel with 32bit userspace. If you want to compile your kernel module with this userspace you either need a cross-compiler or maybe a special option for the 32bit compiler |
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| 10:01.28 | tralala | I'd suggest however to install a 32bit kernel |
| 10:01.29 | creative | what do you recommend ? install a 32bit kernel ? |
| 10:02.10 | tralala | mosno, I'm trying to understand your goals, but I can't |
| 10:02.17 | creative | okay |
| 10:02.19 | creative | thanks |
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| 10:04.07 | basanta | I upgraded my system to lenny -gnome and I have nothing under "Applications" main menu |
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| 10:05.37 | creative | which kernel do i have to instal tralala ? |
| 10:05.45 | tralala | -686 |
| 10:06.54 | creative | but it says it fit to pentium processors, or thats irrelevant ? |
| 10:07.20 | tralala | it fits everything after pentium |
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| 10:11.03 | SpeedyG | hey, all of the sudden my spdif doesnt work anymore.. it gave sound, I was fiddling a bit with vlc, and now it does nothing anymore... any hints where to look for this issue ? |
| 10:11.20 | appelza | vlc :p |
| 10:11.50 | tralala | SpeedyG, processes that might hold the device, like sound servers, hung players, etc |
| 10:11.52 | SpeedyG | well, problem is its not working in any other app too |
| 10:12.17 | SpeedyG | and both vlc and audacious (only apps I use with sound) arent running |
| 10:12.42 | tralala | aren't running as in |
| 10:13.00 | tralala | "aren't displayed" or "aren't in the process list"? |
| 10:13.09 | SpeedyG | processlist |
| 10:13.24 | moldy | tralala: one second..sorry |
| 10:13.37 | themill | SpeedyG: do non-spdif outputs work? |
| 10:13.52 | SpeedyG | themill: no idea, I dont have a non-spdif connection running to that box |
| 10:13.57 | moldy | aptitude install linux-source-2.6.18-4-486 |
| 10:14.17 | moldy | tralala: that's the command, output is "no package found with that name" |
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| 10:14.21 | Gorbulas | spdif is digital, isn't it? try restarting whatever you have connected to it |
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| 10:14.29 | tralala | moldy, /msg dpkg search |
| 10:15.02 | themill | SpeedyG: does "invoke-rc.d alsa reload" show a list of processes using sound devices? |
| 10:15.04 | moldy | tralala: ah thx |
| 10:15.13 | tralala | moldy, wc |
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| 10:15.29 | SpeedyG | themill: all I got is alsa-utils, no alsa that can be reloaded .. |
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| 10:16.32 | themill | SpeedyG: hmm... you should do.. that's in the alsa-base packge |
| 10:16.47 | tralala | SpeedyG, any sound servers running? artsd, esd, others? |
| 10:17.20 | SpeedyG | nope |
| 10:17.35 | Gorbulas | ugh I'm running an rsync backup and just now discovering that the server is full of garbage data and duplicates |
| 10:17.48 | tralala | and you're checking the full process list aka 'ps ax', right? |
| 10:18.47 | themill | SpeedyG: run this as root to look for processes using the sound card: http://pastebin.ca/849254 |
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| 10:22.05 | SpeedyG | themill: no processes remaining |
| 10:22.15 | SpeedyG | and still no sound either |
| 10:22.19 | themill | :( |
| 10:22.47 | SpeedyG | amsn seemed to be using it, and xfce mixer-plugin |
| 10:22.53 | SpeedyG | but I quited both.. |
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| 10:23.17 | tralala | SpeedyG, cable and power remain to be checked |
| 10:23.22 | SpeedyG | tralala: both connected |
| 10:23.47 | SpeedyG | and I know its a crappy comment... but in windows it works :p |
| 10:24.03 | SpeedyG | so its a settings/software-issue |
| 10:24.18 | tralala | SpeedyG, maybe the mixer is muted? |
| 10:24.24 | Gorbulas | you've restarted since it stopped working? |
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| 10:24.45 | leno29 | gi to all |
| 10:24.47 | leno29 | hi to all |
| 10:24.52 | SpeedyG | tralala: nope, i've checked it through alsamixer |
| 10:24.56 | SpeedyG | Gorbulas: nope |
| 10:25.21 | tralala | SpeedyG, paste a screenshot of all the alsamixer channels |
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| 10:25.44 | SpeedyG | hm, wait a sec |
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| 10:26.11 | SpeedyG | i've got audio through the regular jack now (plugged in some earphones to them |
| 10:26.23 | themill | !tell goblin about root |
| 10:26.37 | SpeedyG | now i've got to get this spdif fixed |
| 10:26.52 | tralala | SpeedyG, what's the sound card? |
| 10:27.15 | SpeedyG | intel8x0 chip on my asus mainboard |
| 10:27.20 | themill | SpeedyG: are you running etch? How did you install alsa? (I'm still disturbed by your lack of an alsa init script) |
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| 10:29.10 | SpeedyG | themill: its lenny, I needed support for my gfx-card which wasnt in etch |
| 10:29.23 | SpeedyG | and there's only the alsa-utils script |
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| 10:29.57 | moldy | tralala: my situation is this: i am on an unstable system and i need to install a working kernel along with the appropriate source/headers so i can compile the vmware kernel module. is there a convenient way to do this, or do i have to manually configure/compile a kernel? |
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| 10:30.33 | themill | SpeedyG: ok... that init script has been removed in lenny (don't ask me why) |
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| 10:31.40 | moldy | tralala: ahh, i think got it... |
| 10:31.45 | fengor | hmmi installed gcc-4.1 but there arent any manpages for it and there doesnt seem to be a gcc-4.1-docs package. anyne knows in which package is the documentation for gcc4.1? |
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| 10:32.07 | themill | SpeedyG: I've found in the past that i8x0 sound cards sometimes require modprobe -r/modprobe on their modules to kick them back into life |
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| 10:32.39 | themill | !tell fengor about gcc-doc |
| 10:32.48 | aizen | how come my swap memory is unused according to 'free' but 'top' says that some apps have megabytes of memory in the swap field? |
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| 10:33.30 | tralala | moldy, I've never compiled vmware, but normally you need only the kernel headers |
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| 10:34.22 | SpeedyG | themill: hm, no luck either :( |
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| 10:34.34 | themill | SpeedyG: hmmph. |
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| 10:34.57 | creative | tralala, re, ive installed 2.6.23 kernel but i get this when running sudo m-a a-i fglrx I: Direct installation failed, trying to post-install the dependencies |
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| 10:35.33 | SpeedyG | themill: and i've been trying this stuff: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Intel8x0#nForce_4_digital_output |
| 10:35.33 | tralala | creative, paste the whole output of -t |
| 10:35.40 | SpeedyG | which made it work the previous time |
| 10:35.42 | creative | but its hungarian :\ |
| 10:35.45 | SpeedyG | but doesnt make it work this time :( |
| 10:35.55 | tralala | creative, LANG=C m-a ... |
| 10:36.27 | moldy | tralala: i think i have it all together now, thx |
| 10:36.37 | tralala | moldy, wc |
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| 10:41.00 | creative | tralala, http://pastebin.com/d5fd15e9d |
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| 10:43.39 | creative | maybe, should i try with 2.6.22 kernel tralala ? or what is the prob ? |
| 10:43.40 | tralala | creative, use LANG=C before the command, e.g. LANG=C m-a a-i fglrx |
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| 10:44.30 | creative | oh sry |
| 10:44.48 | creative | http://pastebin.com/d63f30df2 |
| 10:45.58 | tralala | creative, why do you have a different version of fglrx-driver? |
| 10:46.10 | creative | i dont know... |
| 10:46.43 | tralala | creative, export LANG=C; apt-cache policy fglrx-driver |
| 10:47.25 | creative | http://pastebin.com/d24f16f6b |
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| 10:49.51 | tralala | creative, apt-cache policy fglrx-kernel-src |
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| 10:50.40 | creative | http://pastebin.com/d1cc8270e |
| 10:51.31 | tralala | creative, upgrade it, remove the compiled deb from /usr/src and recompile |
| 10:52.00 | creative | what do i have to upgrade ? |
| 10:52.13 | tralala | fglrx-kernel-src |
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| 10:52.46 | creative | but its the newest :\ |
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| 10:53.51 | tralala | creative, ah, right, fglrx-driver isn't |
| 10:54.07 | tralala | or whatever, sid is broken as usual |
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| 10:54.29 | tralala | install the same version of -src as the -driver and recompile |
| 10:55.10 | tralala | as a short term solution. A long term solution is to run stable + backports instead of sid |
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| 10:57.19 | creative | hey its working |
| 10:57.26 | creative | Setting up fglrx-driver-dev (8.443.1-1) ... |
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| 10:59.15 | tralala | creative, surprise! |
| 10:59.33 | creative | now, sudo aticonfig --initial and ready ? |
| 10:59.45 | tralala | don't open the champaine just yet though - it won't be working for long |
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| 11:04.34 | SpeedyG | themill: using vlc, I now get this error: VLC media player 0.8.6c Janus |
| 11:04.34 | SpeedyG | [00000338] alsa audio output error: unable to commit hardware configuration (Invalid argument) |
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| 11:12.06 | themill | SpeedyG: I've never used vlc and I'm afraid the error doesn't really mean anything to me :( But it sounds like vlc is trying to use a channel or device that doesn't exist. |
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| 11:12.50 | SpeedyG | themill: yeah, that was my guess too, since not only vlc gives the error |
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| 11:15.22 | creative | tralala, thx 4 your help, ive got 3d now ! |
| 11:15.36 | tralala | creative, wc |
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| 11:18.13 | erpo | How do I get a list of all of the files install by a particular package? |
| 11:18.22 | erpo | s/install/installed/ |
| 11:18.30 | tralala | erpo, dpkg -L packagename |
| 11:18.43 | tralala | this + much more in man dpkg |
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| 11:19.06 | erpo | tralala: Thanks. I've been combing the apt-cache man page. This explains why I haven't found that option there. :) |
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| 11:20.03 | tralala | erpo, low level package management is done by dpkg, apt takes care of intra-package deps |
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| 11:21.02 | tralala | in other words: dpkg - package management, apt - package relationship management |
| 11:21.38 | tralala | relationship+delivery |
| 11:22.31 | riganta | Hi Guys, anyone could tell me if there is a way to connect bitlbee automatically when I load xchat? |
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| 11:23.28 | tralala | riganta, to connect _to_ bitlbee? |
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| 11:24.31 | riganta | I use bitlbee to connect to msn via xchat. But everytime i open xchat i need to type /server 127.0.01 to connect to it and then identify to log into msn |
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| 11:24.54 | suppaman | hi |
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| 11:25.28 | suppaman | I'm on lenny, is there a way I can downgrade a package ? I should test if there's an incompatibility between my samba client and lenny's server |
| 11:25.48 | riganta | I was wondering if there was a way customize it so I dont have to type in anymore the line /server 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:25.50 | tralala | riganta, see the xchat manual on how to connect to irc networks upon startup. For auto identifying see if xchat support initial commands upon network connect. |
| 11:25.55 | [n00b]Shadow | any commandline torrent programs? |
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| 11:26.23 | tralala | suppaman, downgrade to etch? |
| 11:26.31 | lobak | hello |
| 11:26.34 | suppaman | tralala: is it possible at all ? |
| 11:26.40 | tralala | [n00b]Shadow, bittornado |
| 11:26.45 | suppaman | !downgrade |
| 11:26.45 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 11:27.00 | suppaman | ah how nice |
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| 11:27.28 | lobak | what is the command to see how many line is the output?for example like dmesg,how can i see how many line of output it produced? |
| 11:27.28 | suppaman | is there an apt history ? I'd like to know what samba release I upgraded lately |
| 11:27.29 | [n00b]Shadow | tralala: thx, noob question, how to run it? xD |
| 11:27.31 | tralala | suppaman, not in the general case but I don't see why not for samba. |
| 11:27.52 | suppaman | [n00b]Shadow: bittornado |
| 11:27.52 | tralala | suppaman, you can always compile the etch sources if the binaries' deps fail |
| 11:28.09 | suppaman | tralala: like a "towardport" ? |
| 11:28.13 | tralala | [n00b]Shadow, man btdownloadcurses |
| 11:28.18 | suppaman | tralala: sort of backport opposite |
| 11:28.23 | tralala | suppaman, yes |
| 11:28.26 | riganta | tralala, i have followed all to connect upon start up |
| 11:28.30 | [n00b]Shadow | -bash: bittornado: command not found |
| 11:28.39 | suppaman | [n00b]Shadow: it's the debian package name |
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| 11:28.48 | riganta | only the normal type of irc channel could be connected upon start up |
| 11:28.52 | suppaman | [n00b]Shadow: it's a suite of commands |
| 11:29.07 | jelly | !kde4 |
| 11:29.17 | jelly | dpkg, you suck |
| 11:29.17 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 11:29.37 | jelly | that's what she said! |
| 11:29.40 | [n00b]Shadow | suppaman: thx |
| 11:29.45 | tralala | riganta, I'm not talking about autojoin commands |
| 11:30.17 | suppaman | riganta: it depends on client, I think |
| 11:30.23 | suppaman | riganta: there a rc for sure |
| 11:30.27 | suppaman | are* |
| 11:30.52 | riganta | i would think so |
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| 11:31.59 | tralala | riganta, you need auto command support if you want to identify yourself to bitlbee on connect. Xchat might support auto commands or not. See the manuals |
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| 11:32.57 | nullvoid | hello all |
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| 11:33.42 | nullvoid | how can I install grub on my thumbdrive where my boot partition is on the second instead of the first? |
| 11:33.43 | tralala | riganta, your auto commands (in case xchat supports it) would be "join &bitlbee" and "say identify mypass" |
| 11:34.31 | tralala | nullvoid, install it on the mbr, and configure it to use the second partition |
| 11:34.34 | riganta | let me have a look on that. But I thought that could be done via the preferences tab |
| 11:34.37 | nullvoid | I had set the boot flag on the second partition |
| 11:34.55 | nullvoid | I am following http://feraga.com/library/howto_install_a_debian_gnu_linux_system_onto_a_usb_flash_thumb_drive |
| 11:34.58 | tralala | riganta, I doubt it |
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| 11:36.25 | tralala | nullvoid, the boot flag used to matter for dos. A bootloader needs to live in the mbr |
| 11:36.25 | nullvoid | tralala: ok |
| 11:36.28 | nullvoid | so |
| 11:36.48 | nullvoid | tralala: what shall I do at the grub> |
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| 11:37.28 | nullvoid | tralala: I have grub> root (hd1,0) |
| 11:37.34 | nullvoid | but it won't work |
| 11:37.40 | tralala | install /dev/<usbstick> and then set it up to use /dev/<usbstick>2 |
| 11:37.42 | creative | 0,0 |
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| 11:38.24 | nullvoid | tralala: install /dev/sdc2 ? |
| 11:38.39 | nullvoid | my boot is at sdc2 |
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| 11:39.00 | tralala | I said the mbr - it is located on /dev/sdc, not sdc2 |
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| 11:39.11 | nullvoid | ok |
| 11:39.26 | nullvoid | so install /dev/sdc ? |
| 11:39.39 | tralala | yes |
| 11:40.07 | nullvoid | when I have grub> install /dev/sdc2 |
| 11:40.15 | nullvoid | I got Error 12: Invalid device requested |
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| 11:40.29 | nullvoid | hit |
| 11:40.32 | zealo | nullvoid: grub> root (hd<tab>,<tab>) will show your disk view in grub, choose the one you wanted |
| 11:40.32 | nullvoid | sec |
| 11:40.39 | tralala | (hd3,0) then |
| 11:40.55 | tralala | err 2,0 |
| 11:40.55 | zealo | nullvoid: grub> setup(hdXXX) where XXX is the dest disk |
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| 11:41.33 | nullvoid | could anyone give me the exact line |
| 11:41.44 | tralala | setup (hd2,0) |
| 11:41.47 | nullvoid | my thumbdrive is at sdc and it is on second partition |
| 11:42.05 | tralala | or install (hd2,0) and setup (hd2,2) |
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| 11:42.27 | nullvoid | setup (hd2,2) result Error 12: Invalid device requested |
| 11:42.43 | tralala | I don't know the syntax, but the concept is - install on mbr, configure to use second parition |
| 11:42.46 | tralala | sorry 2,1 |
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| 11:43.51 | nullvoid | 2,1 resulted Error 21: Selected disk does not exist |
| 11:45.13 | tralala | nullvoid, try hd<tab><tab> as zealo said |
| 11:45.26 | mbroeker | sounds like grub... o_O |
| 11:45.26 | war | How do I use update-alternatives to change the /etc/default/editor to use vim? I know I can manually change the symlink but how do you do it the debian way? |
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| 11:46.18 | tralala | war, update-alternatives --config editor (man update-alternatives for this+much more) |
| 11:46.34 | war | yeah but its not part of the selection, checking |
| 11:46.46 | tralala | is it installed? |
| 11:46.58 | war | yupii vim 1:7.1-138+1 Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor |
| 11:46.58 | war | yup |
| 11:48.14 | tralala | maybe it's a bug |
| 11:48.24 | war | k |
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| 11:51.04 | ribasushi | hi |
| 11:52.00 | ribasushi | is there a central place to find information about a package removal from sid? Like for instance wmcliphist vanished over the last week it seems, and I do not see anything filed in the BTS - where does one look then? |
| 11:52.22 | tralala | !removals |
| 11:52.22 | dpkg | it has been said that removals is at http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt |
| 11:52.41 | tralala | warning: it's a biggie |
| 11:53.02 | ribasushi | tralala: not listed there |
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| 11:53.14 | nmarks | hello |
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| 11:53.18 | tralala | which package? |
| 11:53.24 | ribasushi | wmcliphist |
| 11:53.29 | nmarks | what could be the reason that on my debian system (unstable) no core files get dropped if a program segfaults |
| 11:53.30 | ribasushi | ops maybe it is last year |
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| 11:54.16 | ribasushi | tralala: dec 11th |
| 11:54.20 | ribasushi | tralala: thanks |
| 11:54.22 | tralala | ribasushi, http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wmcliphist.html |
| 11:54.30 | lek_ | script load nickcolor.pl |
| 11:54.32 | nmarks | even if i set ulimit -c unlimited no core file gets dropped. i also checked limits.conf, everything commented out |
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| 11:56.49 | mbroeker | nmarks, try the following: set ulimit -c unlimited, run top in that shell and kill -SEGV `pidof top` ! Do you get a core dump ? |
| 11:58.09 | mikes_ | is kde 4 arriving in debian sid today??? i see some packages in incoming.. |
| 11:58.23 | ribasushi | so basically once a package is orphaned it will eventually drop out even if there are no bugs/build issues with it? |
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| 11:58.34 | ribasushi | that's weird |
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| 12:00.51 | nmarks | mbroeker: yes in this case i get a core file |
| 12:01.06 | mbroeker | nmarks, everything is fine! have fun! |
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| 12:01.29 | nmarks | mbroeker: no cause i don't get on in other cases :) |
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| 12:02.58 | nmarks | the only difference is the thing i want a core file for is started as root but this should not make a difference? |
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| 12:04.36 | mbroeker | i dont know wheter selinux handles such circumstances or not, because i disabled it, but i think that some kind of security policy still exists for preventing root-core-dumps... |
| 12:04.47 | nmarks | i disabled it too |
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| 12:07.10 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 12:07.24 | dbmoodb | ah wtf - is with the latest mplayer update and the cannot install software thing - SUDO apt-get install... |
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| 12:07.50 | dbmoodb | anyone else seen it ? |
| 12:08.29 | SamuraiDio | dbmoodb, where are you from? |
| 12:08.35 | dbmoodb | oh wait it might just be me |
| 12:08.43 | dbmoodb | :) - yeah i think so |
| 12:08.48 | dbmoodb | will testnow |
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| 12:09.02 | SamuraiDio | youre wellcome |
| 12:09.05 | dbmoodb | australia why ? |
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| 12:09.30 | dbmoodb | - yeah was just me - had added mediadebian thing |
| 12:09.35 | dbmoodb | removing it now |
| 12:09.37 | SamuraiDio | dbmoodb, nothing, i just couldn'd read your message |
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| 12:09.42 | dbmoodb | oh? |
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| 12:09.54 | dbmoodb | i couldn't be that descriptive |
| 12:10.09 | ab3l | hi i'm trying to install debian on my lap but it doesn't see my sata hdd |
| 12:10.14 | SamuraiDio | wehn kde 4 will be added to debian unstable? do someone knows? |
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| 12:10.34 | SamuraiDio | ab3l, even the installer sees it? |
| 12:10.35 | dbmoodb | is kde 4 out ? |
| 12:10.42 | tralala | ab3l, chipset? |
| 12:10.54 | SamuraiDio | dbmoodb, i think it is |
| 12:11.22 | ab3l | it pops a list of modules to load i gave hime sata_sis sd scsi_mod etc |
| 12:11.29 | ab3l | but it still doesn't see hd |
| 12:11.41 | SamuraiDio | ab3l, try ahci, or ata_piix |
| 12:11.52 | SamuraiDio | ab3l, one or other, not the two |
| 12:12.11 | gordonjcp | anyone know how to stop the screen blanking in xfce4 in edgy? |
| 12:12.15 | ab3l | ifaceis: IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SATA Controller / IDE mode (rev 03) (prog-if 85 [Master SecO PriO]) |
| 12:12.15 | dbmoodb | if it is i might give it a whirl on another comp |
| 12:12.26 | tralala | gordonjcp, #ubuntu |
| 12:12.32 | SamuraiDio | ab3l, and if you have the option on bios, set your sata to be used as a standard ide |
| 12:12.41 | gordonjcp | tralala: why? |
| 12:12.50 | gordonjcp | tralala: ah, typo, not edgy, etch |
| 12:12.59 | SamuraiDio | gordonjcp, hmm |
| 12:13.05 | SamuraiDio | ¬¬ |
| 12:13.11 | tralala | gordonjcp, dpkg -l libc6 | grep [i]i |
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| 12:14.09 | dbmoodb | rofl |
| 12:14.20 | tralala | !rofl |
| 12:14.27 | gordonjcp | tralala: that would show me a list of installed packages |
| 12:14.30 | dbmoodb | damn right - dpkg is being slow no ? |
| 12:14.39 | SamuraiDio | ab3l, what is yout notebook vendor? |
| 12:14.42 | ab3l | asus |
| 12:14.47 | ab3l | model f5vl |
| 12:14.51 | dbmoodb | -should work |
| 12:14.55 | tralala | gordonjcp, show us the output |
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| 12:15.14 | DragoraN | hi, what debian based distro would you recommend for server? |
| 12:15.14 | gordonjcp | hang on, I'll have to set up networking on that machine then |
| 12:15.19 | dbmoodb | etch |
| 12:15.23 | SamuraiDio | DragoraN, Debian |
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| 12:15.28 | DragoraN | ok |
| 12:15.32 | LoneTech | lol |
| 12:15.33 | DragoraN | so plain debian etch? |
| 12:15.37 | dbmoodb | :) |
| 12:15.42 | tralala | yes |
| 12:15.45 | DragoraN | what about lenny? |
| 12:15.49 | dbmoodb | no |
| 12:15.50 | tralala | no |
| 12:15.54 | dbmoodb | !stable |
| 12:15.54 | dpkg | methinks stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0), or ask me about <releases>. |
| 12:16.03 | SamuraiDio | DragoraN, i would suggest a stable version on servers, etch would be the better option |
| 12:16.04 | DragoraN | or sid |
| 12:16.10 | tralala | no no no |
| 12:16.22 | DragoraN | its not production server |
| 12:16.28 | DragoraN | its for me, ssh, files you know |
| 12:16.33 | DragoraN | some web |
| 12:16.35 | DragoraN | linuxing |
| 12:16.35 | dbmoodb | .... oh etch still |
| 12:16.40 | DragoraN | okej |
| 12:16.41 | ab3l | SamuraiDio, if i don't call installer with expertgui i can still choose not to install grub? man i can let it do is job ^_^ |
| 12:16.44 | gordonjcp | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:16.52 | gordonjcp | tralala: ^ |
| 12:16.56 | SamuraiDio | DragoraN, you will, propabaly, nedd sid only for some new desktop apps |
| 12:17.01 | DragoraN | how painfull is upgrade from for example etch to new release which will come? |
| 12:17.02 | DragoraN | !lenny |
| 12:17.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 12:17.05 | dbmoodb | look dragora - depends what you really want. |
| 12:17.12 | dbmoodb | rofl dragon |
| 12:17.15 | dbmoodb | !dist-upgrade |
| 12:17.16 | dpkg | dist-upgrade is a command to apt-get which will attempt to do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> <woody->sarge> or <sarge->etch>, or <etch->lenny> |
| 12:17.23 | tralala | gordonjcp, man xset (look for dpms) |
| 12:17.30 | joeyjones | hhmm... |
| 12:17.38 | dbmoodb | -should be a simple apt-get update then a apt-get dist-upgrade (should) |
| 12:18.00 | gordonjcp | tralala: ah, oh, ok, so it's just doing dpms blanking |
| 12:18.05 | gordonjcp | oldskool |
| 12:18.10 | joeyjones | any idea why my debian install would boot to ro with no errors in the syslog and fsck showing no errors? |
| 12:18.16 | SamuraiDio | ab3l, is that for me |
| 12:18.28 | gordonjcp | tralala: thanks |
| 12:18.30 | dbmoodb | boot to ro ? |
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| 12:18.36 | joeyjones | readonly |
| 12:18.36 | DragoraN | is there any benefit when i use 64bit version which will be virtualized by vmware server ? |
| 12:18.39 | gordonjcp | tralala: I'll tell you if it worked in ten minutes time ;-) |
| 12:18.41 | dbmoodb | you set it taht way |
| 12:18.48 | dbmoodb | that* |
| 12:19.10 | joeyjones | dbmoodb: it's set to boot to defaults or ro if there's an error |
| 12:19.14 | dbmoodb | eh what are you running the debian one in |
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| 12:19.25 | dbmoodb | - well check fstab before you ask |
| 12:19.48 | joeyjones | or to be eact: "defaults, error=remount-ro" |
| 12:20.04 | dbmoodb | oh and this has been working previously ? |
| 12:20.07 | joeyjones | without that space |
| 12:20.10 | joeyjones | yes |
| 12:20.13 | DragoraN | people, is there any benefit when i use 64bit version which will be virtualized by vmware server ? |
| 12:20.15 | dbmoodb | mmm |
| 12:20.23 | dbmoodb | dragon - what are you virtualising ? |
| 12:20.36 | dbmoodb | the 64bit cpu, the debian server ? |
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| 12:20.46 | dbmoodb | !vmware |
| 12:20.46 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 12:21.26 | dbmoodb | you can still use it and debian in it - just don't blame debian if it falls over (shouldn't) |
| 12:21.33 | joeyjones | dbmoodb: no ideas? |
| 12:21.41 | SamuraiDio | i'm having (still) problems wioth my sata hd on my laptop. if i blacklist ahci module i need to load init manually on busybox, if i let it enables i need to rmmod it and run udevtrigger (also in busybox) in other ways the root filesystem is not mounted. can someone help me? |
| 12:21.46 | dbmoodb | no - i would try to reboot and see what happens |
| 12:21.46 | DragoraN | dbmoodb: i have HP server (dualcore xeon) with 1GB ram running windows2003 32bit, iam going to install vmware server on it and have this debian with it, so iam asking if 64bit debian is a benefit in vmware instead of 32bit |
| 12:21.56 | joeyjones | dbmoodb: i have many times |
| 12:22.05 | dbmoodb | oh single user mode ? |
| 12:22.14 | dbmoodb | dragonora - i don't know why you would do it that way around |
| 12:22.19 | joeyjones | i;ve already given u and remove the error option so it can only boot to defaults |
| 12:22.21 | tralala | DragoraN, most likely a 64bit guest won't run on 32bit host |
| 12:22.29 | dbmoodb | i trust debian a lot more than windows anyday |
| 12:22.33 | dbmoodb | - it might tra |
| 12:22.51 | DragoraN | windows has to be installed |
| 12:23.00 | dbmoodb | ...yeah but you can use virtualbox |
| 12:23.01 | DragoraN | iam just picking OS for my guest os |
| 12:23.02 | dbmoodb | !virtualbox |
| 12:23.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, virtualbox is a virtual machine solution. Check out the website http://www.virtualbox.org/, or #vbox on irc.freenode.net |
| 12:23.24 | joeyjones | DragoraN: i've had the windows installer crash before |
| 12:23.26 | dbmoodb | mmm - as i said i don't trust the stability of windows + a 64bit os can provide benefits |
| 12:24.24 | DragoraN | ok, so 32bit |
| 12:24.31 | dbmoodb | yes so you would be using 32bit |
| 12:24.56 | dbmoodb | i encourage you to try debian and if you like it switch the order of guest / master os |
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| 12:25.23 | DragoraN | yeah :) |
| 12:25.40 | dbmoodb | btw why only 32bit windows ? |
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| 12:27.26 | DragoraN | dbmoodb: customer request |
| 12:27.30 | DragoraN | i dont care |
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| 12:27.44 | dbmoodb | oh |
| 12:27.48 | dbmoodb | sorry ? |
| 12:27.55 | DragoraN | ? |
| 12:28.02 | DragoraN | customer wanted 32bit os |
| 12:28.06 | dbmoodb | - no wait the customer is asking for what - windows 32bit |
| 12:28.12 | dbmoodb | oh so that is why it is windows eh ? |
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| 12:28.18 | DragoraN | yes |
| 12:28.25 | DragoraN | asp.net sites run on that |
| 12:28.27 | tralala | customers... |
| 12:28.35 | dbmoodb | -well are you the admin ? |
| 12:28.39 | DragoraN | yes |
| 12:28.44 | joeyjones | i beleive you can run asp.net on apache... |
| 12:28.46 | dbmoodb | AH .net go .. |
| 12:28.59 | dbmoodb | well do you think they would notice if windows was the guest ? |
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| 12:28.59 | DragoraN | joepa: also MSSQL ? |
| 12:29.12 | dbmoodb | MSSQL.. |
| 12:29.15 | dbmoodb | !mssql |
| 12:29.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, mssql is are you sure you don't mean mysql? |
| 12:29.16 | DragoraN | dbmoodb: iam not the only one who has access |
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| 12:29.22 | dbmoodb | yeah |
| 12:29.30 | dbmoodb | but they will be looking at windows |
| 12:29.37 | joeyjones | DragoraN: anuy reason why mysql couldn;t work instead? |
| 12:29.41 | ab3l | ahci and ata_piix none works either :( |
| 12:29.47 | DragoraN | iam not the developer oh my god |
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| 12:29.56 | DragoraN | silly questions :) |
| 12:29.57 | dbmoodb | mmm? |
| 12:30.02 | dbmoodb | rofl |
| 12:30.03 | tralala | DragoraN's custormers are slightly off-topic, don't you agree? |
| 12:30.07 | dbmoodb | yes |
| 12:30.09 | DragoraN | i agree |
| 12:30.18 | dbmoodb | debian is what we talk about here |
| 12:30.21 | DragoraN | i am asp.net developer, but i havent developer that site |
| 12:30.32 | dbmoodb | !.net |
| 12:30.32 | dpkg | when .NET system goes online, human decisions are removed from the office environment. It contains Application Center 2000, SQL server 2000, Exchange 2000, Host Integration Server 2000, BizTalk 2000, Commerce Server 2000. They seperate every single bit of simple operation into many buzzword-servers. Don't you hate your money? |
| 12:30.39 | DragoraN | but i'd rather use windows IIS for my asp.net apps |
| 12:30.48 | SamuraiDio | ab3l, do you have then on the modules list? |
| 12:30.55 | SQLDb | Heh. I need to stop stalking "SQL" |
| 12:31.07 | joeyjones | !fsck |
| 12:31.07 | dpkg | from memory, fsck is a file system integrity checker, or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck |
| 12:31.13 | SamuraiDio | ab3l, and even loading (just one, not both) ut dont recognizes the hd? |
| 12:31.16 | joeyjones | !mount |
| 12:31.16 | dpkg | from memory, mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem |
| 12:31.18 | dbmoodb | sure but why not run debian 64bit then virtualise window |
| 12:31.19 | dbmoodb | s |
| 12:31.20 | ab3l | exactly |
| 12:31.23 | joeyjones | !boot |
| 12:31.30 | tralala | joeyjones, stop spamming |
| 12:31.41 | SamuraiDio | ab3l, do you have a sata configuration on bios? |
| 12:31.46 | dbmoodb | if windows crashes you can ssh in and reboot it, try doing that will the windows server |
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| 12:32.01 | ab3l | nope |
| 12:32.22 | joeyjones | tralala: i'm trying to find hints towards mmy weird/random boot/mount error |
| 12:32.25 | joeyjones | *my |
| 12:32.32 | tralala | joeyjones, /msg dpkg msg |
| 12:32.42 | dbmoodb | joey ok let me check my fstab |
| 12:32.45 | SamuraiDio | ab3l, this is a problem with notebooks, i have the same |
| 12:32.50 | DragoraN | dbmoodb: i for rebooting i have HP iLo |
| 12:32.51 | DragoraN | :) |
| 12:32.59 | dbmoodb | hp ilo ? |
| 12:33.06 | DragoraN | hp lights-out |
| 12:33.08 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 12:33.12 | DragoraN | !lights-out |
| 12:33.17 | dbmoodb | not going to happen |
| 12:33.22 | DragoraN | !ilo |
| 12:33.22 | dpkg | i guess ilo is short for an Internet Linked Object. The current ILO registry can be found at http://www.openstandards.org/ilo/ |
| 12:33.23 | dbmoodb | !propriety |
| 12:33.29 | DragoraN | !ilo2 |
| 12:33.37 | tralala | !offtopic |
| 12:33.37 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 12:33.41 | dbmoodb | !proprietary |
| 12:33.42 | SamuraiDio | ab3l, what debian version are you using (please, direct your message, prefix it with my name) |
| 12:33.48 | SamuraiDio | nick |
| 12:33.49 | pngwn | !botspew |
| 12:33.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, botspew is what I do when you don't /msg me |
| 12:33.58 | dbmoodb | oh good |
| 12:34.06 | ab3l | SamuraiDio, i'm tryig to install 4.0r2 etch |
| 12:34.25 | tralala | ab3l, /msg dpkg laptops |
| 12:34.47 | dbmoodb | oh and ab3l you will probably need to get smartulties and watch the load / unload cycles |
| 12:34.50 | SamuraiDio | tralala, the problem is with the sata, not the laptop |
| 12:35.09 | DragoraN | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Lights-Out |
| 12:35.29 | dbmoodb | !hp |
| 12:35.29 | dpkg | [hp] at http://www.hp.com/pressrel/jun99/21jun99g.htm, or *the* original brown sauce from 1889. See: http://www.higherdesign.com/brownsauce/hpsauce.htm. Hewlett Packard, maker of calculators and printers and computers and other silicon goodness |
| 12:35.33 | tralala | SamuraiDio, /msg dpkg laptops |
| 12:35.36 | dbmoodb | mmm sauce |
| 12:36.26 | dbmoodb | mmm dragora - piece of trash |
| 12:36.33 | ab3l | SamuraiDio, could eb something with the kernel-' |
| 12:36.59 | SamuraiDio | ab3l, i think the etch kernels should work |
| 12:37.13 | SamuraiDio | mines lenny |
| 12:37.35 | dbmoodb | - i guess you need it for windows tho |
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| 12:38.03 | Fiskah | How do I update the APT cache? |
| 12:38.17 | dbmoodb | - but i work go for an x10 and bios - turn on on power option personally :) |
| 12:38.34 | DragoraN | how to debine keyword on dpkg? |
| 12:38.39 | DragoraN | here on irc |
| 12:38.51 | dbmoodb | .... i don't think you can |
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| 12:39.04 | dbmoodb | the ops sure ... but us not sure |
| 12:39.20 | dbmoodb | wow - debian-ops requires invitation |
| 12:39.58 | DragoraN | ? |
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| 12:40.54 | Ronin | dbmoodb: why is that a surprise? |
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| 12:41.41 | dbmoodb | well want to try ubuntu-ops |
| 12:41.49 | dbmoodb | + i thought it would be slightly more open |
| 12:42.18 | dbmoodb | not that it is not - you can ask for an invitation |
| 12:42.29 | Ronin | dbmoodb: im sure it is if you're a debian op :) |
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| 12:42.45 | DragoraN | why would someone want debian op? |
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| 12:42.55 | dbmoodb | eh |
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| 12:43.21 | tralala | DragoraN, /msg dpkg key is definition |
| 12:43.24 | dbmoodb | i would like to see what debian has instead of motu - sort of a upper stage where you can help out |
| 12:43.33 | DragoraN | oh, thx |
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| 12:44.13 | themill | DragoraN: but you'd be well advised to talk to people first about what you're planning to do. The bot's owner might not take kindly to you filling it with crap or things that are already in there. |
| 12:44.49 | DragoraN | dont worry |
| 12:44.52 | DragoraN | i want to define iLo |
| 12:44.58 | DragoraN | can i use multiline? |
| 12:45.00 | dbmoodb | so now you want to talk to the ops mm? |
| 12:45.01 | DragoraN | somehow? |
| 12:45.10 | DragoraN | never mind |
| 12:45.26 | DragoraN | someone wants to contribute and he gets a no-no |
| 12:45.28 | themill | DragoraN: so what do you want to define? no, the bots can't do multiline and you have the irc line length limit too |
| 12:45.35 | dbmoodb | well so is there a place above this were users can contribute like in ubuntu - at a higher level mm? |
| 12:45.43 | dbmoodb | (ubuntu is weird tho) |
| 12:45.49 | themill | DragoraN: tell us what you want to contribute so we can help you do so :) |
| 12:46.42 | DragoraN | i would like to define HP iLo |
| 12:46.49 | DragoraN | HP Integrated Lights-out |
| 12:46.54 | DragoraN | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Lights-Out |
| 12:46.58 | dbmoodb | why bother it is a waste of time - there are other things |
| 12:47.11 | dbmoodb | !iom |
| 12:47.20 | Ronin | dbmoodb: not really as far as i know, irc wise theres this and the other language channels for support, debian-ops is for them, then theres the mentor channel |
| 12:47.21 | dbmoodb | oh apparently not ... i am mistaken |
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| 12:47.30 | tralala | I don't see any policies that govern factoid edits/removals/creations |
| 12:47.37 | dbmoodb | !ofm |
| 12:47.44 | dbmoodb | ...oh well |
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| 12:48.58 | liable | you can add anything you want to the bots database, if its not offensive, it will likely stay. we just dont advertise how to do it, which keeps tards from having a field day ;) |
| 12:49.02 | stylesen | when I try "$ man gcc" in my debian etch box I get "No manual entry for gcc" |
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| 12:49.17 | themill | !tell stylesen about gcc-doc |
| 12:49.17 | dbmoodb | rofl |
| 12:49.23 | stylesen | I have gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) |
| 12:49.26 | SamuraiDio | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=455923 , if someone could help me... :( |
| 12:49.38 | dbmoodb | really - gcc-doc is separate now ? |
| 12:49.39 | mike1o | !mac |
| 12:49.39 | dpkg | Apple Macintoshes are prime candidates for Debian installs, at least the m68k-based ones. or acceptable in many powerpc forms... Ask Peidran about that... or Most Applications Crash; If Not, The Operating System Hangs, or the hardware address of a network card, or the name of Apple computers. MAC, Media Access Control |
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| 12:50.01 | themill | dbmoodb: it's non-free |
| 12:50.16 | dbmoodb | !how ? |
| 12:50.29 | themill | !tell dbmoodb about gcc-doc |
| 12:50.33 | dbmoodb | i saw it |
| 12:50.41 | dbmoodb | i got it up on my own screen but it is GFDL ? |
| 12:50.53 | themill | yes |
| 12:50.57 | dbmoodb | invariant sections ? |
| 12:51.00 | dbmoodb | meaning ... |
| 12:51.14 | tralala | liable, security through obscurity? |
| 12:51.19 | mike1o | I am about to deflower an ibook... any are there any magic tricks? |
| 12:51.39 | tralala | mike1o, use a smaller hammer |
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| 12:51.46 | mike1o | eheh |
| 12:51.51 | Ronin | tralala: i thought it was if in doubt use a bigger hammer? |
| 12:51.54 | themill | DragoraN: is there a debian-related aspect to what you can add about ilo? such as the driver to use or something? |
| 12:51.57 | liable | tralala: no, bot database saneness through tards lameness ;) |
| 12:52.07 | tralala | Ronin, that's the catch with ibooks ;) |
| 12:52.24 | tralala | liable, hehe |
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| 12:53.01 | themill | tralala: plus people going through and doing janitorial work on its database... |
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| 12:53.33 | dbmoodb | wait so GFDL is not considered to be dfsg compliant ? |
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| 12:54.03 | themill | dbmoodb: gfdl with invariant sections is not dfsg compliant. gfdl without invariant sections is dfsg compliant. |
| 12:54.05 | tralala | themill, it seems to me that dpkg is intended to be used as an irc wiki |
| 12:54.23 | dbmoodb | and invariant sections ? |
| 12:54.42 | themill | dbmoodb: sections you are not allowed to change |
| 12:54.45 | dbmoodb | still how is it non-free |
| 12:54.47 | dbmoodb | ok fine |
| 12:55.06 | tralala | as in "you're not free to change certain sections" |
| 12:55.08 | dbmoodb | so why don't we have any documentation from gcc isn't there an old version not under the fdl |
| 12:55.44 | tralala | because it's out of date perhaps |
| 12:55.45 | dbmoodb | or ask the writers of gcc-doc to provide under and another license |
| 12:55.50 | dbmoodb | !cc |
| 12:55.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, cc is Cocos (Keeling) Islands |
| 12:55.53 | dbmoodb | drat |
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| 12:56.06 | dbmoodb | is the creative commons ok ? |
| 12:56.11 | themill | !gfdl |
| 12:56.11 | dpkg | gfdl is probably the GNU "free" documentation license, see discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html. See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html |
| 12:56.16 | themill | dbmoodb: ^^ |
| 12:56.18 | creative | ok :D |
| 12:56.44 | dbmoodb | got that already themill reading it |
| 12:57.05 | themill | dbmoodb: old docs are useless and gcc is an FSF project so they do what they are told to do by the FSF for licences. The FSF thinks that the invariant sections are quite reasonable; debian does not. |
| 12:57.07 | dbmoodb | but is the creative commons - (a share and sharealike) licence acceptable bt dfsg ? |
| 12:57.09 | tralala | dbmoodb, if they wanted to they would've done so |
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| 12:57.43 | dbmoodb | have gcc-doc writers been asked - i take it they have mm/ |
| 12:57.53 | themill | tralala: up to a point, yes. But you need to know what's in there to be able to call them up. And a wiki needs cleaning up frequently too to keep the trolls under control. It's easier and better all around if the knowledge of how to manipulate the bot is not advertised widely but learned by people who actually care and want to help properly. |
| 12:58.10 | themill | tralala: ^^ w.r.t. your wiki comment |
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| 12:59.01 | tralala | themill, this assumes that non regulars have nothing useful to contribute which doesn't have to be the case. </offtopic> |
| 12:59.03 | dbmoodb | wait so wikipedia is not free by ... |
| 12:59.21 | dbmoodb | ok i'm getting confused - the fdl is ok if it is modified to allow for freedom |
| 12:59.52 | tralala | dbmoodb, #debian-legal |
| 13:00.11 | dbmoodb | ? |
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| 13:00.34 | jacob007 | Hello all. I setup a pbuilder environment and I'm currently inside it as we speak. I installed ssh-server, however, I'm not able to connecct from my own account (that's outside of pbuilder) to the pbuilder environment. I modified sshd_config, so I twould listen to Port 23, did a force-reload ( so that it would forcefully reload the sshd_config, I even restarted sshd). I'm running lenny inside of the pbuilder environment. |
| 13:00.34 | dbmoodb | ok only one person in there tho |
| 13:00.43 | tralala | dbmoodb, a mild suggestion to stay on topic. Too mild apparently |
| 13:00.46 | themill | tralala: true -- which is why I (at least) encourage people to offer suggestions and we'll show them how to incorporate them. It's a pity that DragoraN seems to have disappeared. |
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| 13:01.16 | dbmoodb | sure |
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| 13:06.43 | dbmoodb | there we now have ##debian-legal |
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| 13:12.57 | mythomaniac | does anyone know what intel cpu's are supported by hw_random? |
| 13:13.42 | JohnnyST | hi how do I enable perl in apache2 in Debin Etch? |
| 13:13.46 | JohnnyST | it currently donwloads the .pl file instead of executing it. |
| 13:14.30 | Blapto | If it's installed, you're going to need to set the type and load the extension |
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| 13:14.38 | Blapto | Which should be well documented if you google for it |
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| 13:15.03 | tralala | JohnnyST, /msg dpkg mod_perl |
| 13:15.19 | Blapto | Does anybody know how to use hplip? When I print a file, it prints, but the font is about 12px high, and each character is monospaced about 144px wide |
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| 13:15.57 | LoneTech | Blapto: hplip does the stream splitting to support scanner as well as printer. Printing graphics is a separate issue. |
| 13:16.10 | Blapto | I'm trying to print text |
| 13:16.14 | Blapto | Just plain text |
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| 13:17.16 | tralala | Blapto, using cups? |
| 13:17.23 | Blapto | Well, using hp-print |
| 13:17.37 | Blapto | but by proxy, using CUPS |
| 13:17.58 | LoneTech | px is a rather odd unit to measure printers by. |
| 13:18.21 | Blapto | Well, it's me estimating |
| 13:18.33 | Blapto | 72px = 1 inch, normally |
| 13:18.39 | LoneTech | no, that is pt. |
| 13:18.44 | Blapto | OK |
| 13:18.48 | Blapto | Well, at 72dpi... |
| 13:19.02 | Blapto | Anyway, that's academic. How, using CUPS, do I make my text print reasonably? |
| 13:19.09 | LoneTech | no, the pt unit (postscript unit, point) is defined as 1/72 of an inch. |
| 13:19.14 | tralala | Blapto, try to set it up using cups. /msg dpkg cups setup |
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| 13:19.43 | Blapto | Right, well, the printer is present when I hit up localhost:631 |
| 13:20.00 | Blapto | So the printer is set up in cups, I'm assuming hp-setup from hplip did it for me, which was nice of it. |
| 13:20.16 | Blapto | I can even print a test page from localhost:631, and it prints. Just the font is horrendously wangy. |
| 13:20.18 | LoneTech | normally it would filter text through a2ps or something.. I'm not too familiar with how cups behaves |
| 13:20.54 | JohnnyST | tralala I installed mod_perl for apache 2 and it still dose not work. |
| 13:21.17 | LoneTech | so the renderer is messed up. I used ordinary gs back when I set up a hplip thingy. can't compare now, though. |
| 13:21.19 | tralala | JohnnyST, I suppose you have to enable it now |
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| 13:22.11 | tralala | Blapto, play around with the settings, try removing and adding the printer again through the cups interface |
| 13:22.21 | Blapto | I've done that ;) |
| 13:22.26 | tralala | google around for htlib |
| 13:22.27 | Blapto | Where are the cups fonts chosen/installed? |
| 13:24.58 | Blapto | So close, yet so far... Printer works, prints, just the font chosen somewhere is wrong |
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| 13:26.39 | wnopa | hi, I have installed xsane to use with my HP F380 all-in-1. But I can't locate it in kdemenu. can anyone help? |
| 13:26.48 | JohnnyST | tralala, perl.load is enabled |
| 13:26.57 | wnopa | I can't start it from the commandline either. |
| 13:27.00 | JohnnyST | tralala, I think it must be someting else. |
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| 13:29.15 | tralala | JohnnyST, I think apache is not interpreting the code due to mod_perl misconfig |
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| 13:36.36 | jochien1 | hi how do i reset my ip -- i m running etch |
| 13:37.22 | ronr | jochien1: define reset my ip? static of dhcp? |
| 13:37.56 | tralala | JohnnyST, why do you want to "reset" your ip? |
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| 13:38.00 | jochien1 | ronr: i hv edited the /etc/network/interfaces file and /etc/init.d/networking start for static ip. but see no progress when i ifconfig |
| 13:38.06 | tralala | jochien1, ^^ |
| 13:38.31 | tralala | jochien1, ifdown ethX; ifup ethX |
| 13:38.36 | jochien1 | tralala: subnets have changed for security reasons |
| 13:38.42 | tralala | if you're locally connected |
| 13:38.52 | tralala | don't do that over ssh |
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| 13:40.20 | jochien1 | tralala: ifup eth0 |
| 13:40.21 | jochien1 | ifup: interface etho already configured |
| 13:40.56 | tralala | right, now try what I said |
| 13:42.40 | riganta | Hi Guys, I am trying to get direct rendering with the mesa drivers on my nvidia graphic card without any success. I have got "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect" |
| 13:43.20 | riganta | would it be fair to say that using nvidia propriatory drivers would be best to get 3D acceleration?? |
| 13:43.23 | Dantix | hi all, I'm working my first time with nbd, I've read the few documentation I've found. Seems to me very simple, just network port and block device to share on server and on client: server ip and server port besides the local device will use. But doesn't work, I see the connection try on netstat at server, but the client don't create the /dev/nbd0 and follows in a infinite loop, are there anything I doing wrong? |
| 13:43.26 | tralala | riganta, do you have dri loaded? |
| 13:43.31 | riganta | yes I do |
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| 13:43.46 | riganta | that is why this is causing me trouble |
| 13:43.56 | justin | riganta: not "best" way, only way |
| 13:44.02 | tralala | riganta, ah you're not using the propriarity driver? |
| 13:44.02 | wols | riganta: the only way to get "proper" 3D is nvidia drivers with your card |
| 13:44.04 | wols | !nvidia |
| 13:44.04 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 13:44.16 | wols | tralala: mesa glx!= nvidia glx |
| 13:44.18 | jochien1 | tralala: no luck even the route -n hsnt changed and netstat -nat has no interfaces but 127.0.0.1 |
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| 13:44.38 | jochien1 | !ifconfig |
| 13:44.39 | dpkg | ifconfig is used to configure or view your machine's network interfaces. use the -a option to view all of them, or man ifconfig for more. see also <ifup>, <ifdown>, <man interfaces>, or <interfaces> |
| 13:44.51 | wols | jochien1: what is in your interfaces file? |
| 13:45.04 | riganta | should i remove the mesa drivers before loading the nvidia ones?? |
| 13:45.12 | wols | jochien1: and where to is eth0 connected? |
| 13:45.16 | wols | riganta: no |
| 13:45.31 | _finch | out of interest |
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| 13:47.22 | wnopa | no one can help me on xsane? |
| 13:47.28 | jochien1 | wols: interfaces file shows 192.168.100.xxx but when i ifconfig -a i see eth0 is 192.168.1.xxx |
| 13:48.24 | wols | jochien1: I asked you something specificially |
| 13:49.08 | wols | jochien1: pastebin both |
| 13:49.41 | zealo | tralala: seems you've been chatting whole day :) |
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| 13:52.19 | vor | Hi, I have an all-in-one, iptables-FW web mail, server with one nic. what is the risk, or why must FW have 2 nic's? |
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| 13:53.21 | shamrock` | Are there any utilities to access a machine's bios settings on debian? I have a headless mailserver running and I want to modify a BIOS setting using an ssh connection without having to install a video card, keyboard etc. |
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| 13:53.30 | wols | both IPs are bound to the same inteface. it makes no sense not to spend the 10$ for the 2nd NIC |
| 13:53.41 | jochien1 | wols: i had to restart the machine and the changed took effect, then i tried to ssh but wldnt so i re enabled the eth0 --- this is a vmaware machine but shldnt be getting problems i think |
| 13:53.43 | wols | shamrock`: no |
| 13:53.48 | jochien1 | thsanks every one |
| 13:53.52 | jochien1 | thanks* |
| 13:53.54 | shamrock` | rats. Thanks. |
| 13:54.04 | Dantix | hi all, I'm working my first time with nbd, I've read the few documentation I've found. Seems to me very simple, just network port and block device to share on server and on client: server ip and server port besides the local device will use. But doesn't work, I see the connection try on netstat at server, but the client don't create the /dev/nbd0 and follows in a infinite loop, are there anything I doing wrong |
| 13:54.23 | wols | shamrock`: well you probably could write the NVRA;M directly but good luck know which bytes to chnage |
| 13:54.27 | wols | and in what way |
| 13:54.52 | shamrock` | wols: I did similar with my thinkpad a while back. But I *knew* which byte to scrub. Worked well too. |
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| 14:01.32 | liable | wow, i just found a page that tells you how to see your bios password from linux |
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| 14:02.33 | riganta | Guys, the nvidia driver is asking for a kernel source tree. I have installed kernel-headers, linux-source, kernel package, and linux headers, but that is not enough. What am i missing? |
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| 14:05.25 | muh2000 | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm² made ram test for about 8 hours, no errors... probably a bad driver, kernel, software or hw failure elsewhere |
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| 14:05.51 | liable | muh2000: for shits and giggles, install a different kernel and try that |
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| 14:06.42 | tralala | riganta, what we are missing is the description of the procedure you're following and the actual output |
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| 14:07.01 | muh2000 | liable: yeah, it is about time for a new one anyway |
| 14:07.29 | zicho | Have anyone installed debian on a zepto 3215W? Im having some troubles I would like to sort out. |
| 14:08.00 | muh2000 | but vmware will not be on that computer ever in future ^^ always had problems with that besides my current problem |
| 14:09.07 | riganta | well, I have downloaded the drivers from the nvidia site. I have installed as well all the prerequired libs. Then I kill gdm. do a run on the nvidia drivers. evrything goes well until the stage where it tells me that it cannot find the kernel source tree |
| 14:09.33 | muh2000 | riganta: well install kernel sources |
| 14:09.40 | riganta | So i did install linux-source but that didnt solve the pb |
| 14:09.44 | muh2000 | oh you covered that |
| 14:09.45 | muh2000 | hmmm |
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| 14:09.54 | tralala | riganta, that's plain wrong. /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 14:09.55 | riganta | i installed the headers as well |
| 14:10.05 | betel | riganta: you also need gcc and libc6-dev |
| 14:10.22 | riganta | I have the libs installed already |
| 14:10.36 | liable | riganta: installing the source just installs a bz2 package, you need to untar it |
| 14:10.47 | riganta | that was done as well |
| 14:10.59 | riganta | let me try again |
| 14:11.00 | tralala | which results in a useless unconfigured linux source |
| 14:11.01 | liable | and point to it from /lib/modules |
| 14:11.17 | tralala | that's why we have linux-headers |
| 14:11.31 | betel | shouldn't just the linux-headers be enough? |
| 14:11.34 | liable | headers dont cover all situations |
| 14:11.36 | tralala | and that's what's needed for out-of-tree modules |
| 14:11.55 | tralala | liable, it covers nvidia |
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| 14:12.15 | moldy | hi |
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| 14:12.38 | liable | tralala: I have no idea about nvidia, but my comment still stands :P |
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| 14:12.51 | tralala | so does mine |
| 14:13.58 | betel | I belive that you are both right |
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| 14:14.55 | liable | we know we are both right ;) |
| 14:15.02 | liable | we just like to argue :) |
| 14:15.19 | tralala | we also know that I'm more right than liable |
| 14:15.41 | liable | *cough* bullshit *cough* |
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| 14:16.07 | tralala | as well as smarter and more handsome |
| 14:16.19 | liable | now we know you are lying! |
| 14:16.37 | tralala | !lose liable |
| 14:16.37 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 14:16.59 | liable | !ignore tralala |
| 14:17.10 | tralala | !irritate liable |
| 14:17.10 | dpkg | liable: hi every1 who uses sound kk |
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| 14:17.16 | liable | sound to the tune of banana splits |
| 14:17.25 | liable | s/sound/sung/ |
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| 14:18.55 | tralala | okay, now that we've all agreed I'm smarter and more handsome let's move on topic |
| 14:19.01 | liable | if your so smart, help me hack my bios |
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| 14:19.15 | zicho | Have anyone installed debian on a zepto 3215W? |
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| 14:19.58 | tralala | the ultimate bios hacking tool |
| 14:20.07 | liable | zicho: what arch is it? maybe theres a more apropriate channel |
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| 14:20.21 | zicho | laible: arch? |
| 14:20.25 | zicho | *liable |
| 14:20.26 | liable | cpu |
| 14:20.31 | tralala | it can divide a bios in pieces smaller than bits |
| 14:21.16 | liable | tralala: meh, i can brick it with less than a hammer. a few simple commands should do it |
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| 14:22.09 | tralala | liable, yes, but after a prolonged applying of the hammer your bios won't have a single secret kept from you |
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| 14:22.31 | moshii | Is there a way of turning entropy collection from the nics back on? |
| 14:23.31 | tralala | liable, not to mention how much more fun it is |
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| 14:24.15 | liable | tralala: the hammer comes out when I have broken it in other ways |
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| 14:25.21 | aizen | how come my swap memory is unused according to 'free' but 'top' says that some apps have megabytes of memory in the swap field? |
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| 14:27.44 | brif8 | nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.07 but it is not installable any Ideas ? |
| 14:28.24 | deb_user | hi group, I need to upgrade a single package that is in sid (unstable), e.g. tinc 1.0.8, anybody have any tips on how to do this without breaking my system? |
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| 14:28.41 | Maulkin | deb_user: what are you running at the moment? |
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| 14:28.44 | liable | daft punk live cd is getting thrashed on the local radio station, but its got some thumping mixes on it |
| 14:28.50 | deb_user | Maulkin: etch |
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| 14:29.08 | Maulkin | deb_user: is there a backport? |
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| 14:29.21 | deb_user | Maulkin: for tinc 1.0.8? |
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| 14:29.30 | Maulkin | deb_user: yes. /msg dpkg backports |
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| 14:30.04 | tralala | deb_user, either download a backport if there is any or backport it yourself (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 14:30.20 | PythonNinja | is there a way to force apt-get to download packages? i'm using etch sources on a lenny machine, but using the -d flag because i only want the debs for another machine |
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| 14:31.12 | Maulkin | Use wget, it's easier. or see man apt-get (look for -t) |
| 14:31.18 | mdales | I'm trying to setup an embedded system based on debian. although the main software doesn't run as root, it needs to use apt to do updates. I tried setting apt-get to be setuid root to let the software user invoke it without the need to use a passowrd, but it still fails. I'm a bit confused as to why - I'd have assumed any child processes of a setuid root process would have sufficient permissions |
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| 14:31.49 | deb_user | how do I ask dpkg about the specific package i am looking for? |
| 14:31.52 | PythonNinja | Maulkin: how do i tell wget how to find the pacakges? and i'm trying to download xorg-dev and all it's dependencies ... (lots!) |
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| 14:31.55 | deb_user | just backports tinc? |
| 14:32.00 | moldy | mdales: sudo |
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| 14:32.41 | tralala | PythonNinja, apt-get has an option to only download. Look it up the man page |
| 14:32.42 | Maulkin | PythonNinja: erm... ok... that's quite a few... |
| 14:32.49 | mdales | moldy: but then I need to enter a password, don't I ? |
| 14:32.50 | Maulkin | PythonNinja: see the apt man page. |
| 14:33.01 | Maulkin | deb_user: www.backports.org |
| 14:33.09 | moldy | mdales: not if you configure it appropriately |
| 14:33.21 | mdales | moldy: okay, I didn't realise that |
| 14:33.30 | tralala | deb_user, /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:33.39 | tralala | deb_user, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:33.42 | mdales | moldy: I'll investigate that way, thanks |
| 14:33.54 | PythonNinja | tralala: i know, it's -d, but apt is realising (correctly) that downloading it is silly since i already have a newer version installed.. can i just say "download it you clot!" |
| 14:33.55 | Maulkin | mdales: also look at emdebian |
| 14:33.58 | deb_user | ok...thanks guys |
| 14:34.07 | moldy | mdales: see sudo's documentation or google for it. the "NOPASSWORD" directive is what you want. admittedly, sudo's config syntax can be a little cryptic |
| 14:34.10 | Maulkin | PythonNinja: look for -t. |
| 14:34.13 | deb_user | I have used backports before, its just been awhile and I forget |
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| 14:34.18 | mdales | moldy: ta |
| 14:34.20 | mdales | Maulkin: ta also |
| 14:34.23 | tralala | PythonNinja, yes you can |
| 14:34.28 | deb_user | so I appreciate the refresher course |
| 14:34.53 | tralala | we appreciate your appreciation :) |
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| 14:37.13 | treKrem | Hi. I would like to capture some Video over Firewire (with kino/dvgrab). But the latest kernels in sid only have the new firewire stack. Is there a faster way to get libraw working other than configuring my own kernel? (i.e. has the libraw-package in sid the patches mentioned in http://wiki.linux1394.org/JujuMigration ?) |
| 14:38.06 | PythonNinja | dammit... i think i'll just freaking build X |
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| 14:38.31 | zealo | !eat tralala |
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| 14:39.55 | liable | i bet dpkg gets sick |
| 14:41.07 | tralala | PythonNinja, yeah, that sounds easier... (not!) |
| 14:42.21 | tralala | liable, bwaaaahahahahahah, hohoho, ahahahah.... maaan! |
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| 14:42.54 | liable | thankyou, i will be here all night |
| 14:42.56 | drwxr-xr-x | I'm having a problem compiling a proPRIVMSG #svn :I would flood the channel if I showed all the errors |
| 14:43.00 | PythonNinja | tralala: all my options kinda suck, -t etch didn't work |
| 14:43.18 | zealo | drwxr-xr-x: |
| 14:43.32 | zealo | !tell drwxr-xr-x about paste |
| 14:43.56 | themill | !nickometer drwxr-xr-x |
| 14:43.57 | dpkg | 'drwxr-xr-x' is 26.000% lame, themill |
| 14:44.04 | tralala | PythonNinja, didn't work isn't very descriptive |
| 14:44.10 | themill | drwxr-xr-x: but it is a kind of cute nick, I must say |
| 14:44.14 | tralala | themill, I was tempted to do the same but I resisted it |
| 14:45.00 | dimir | themill: ye, never saw something like that. |
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| 14:45.18 | drwxr-xr-x | I'm having a problem compiling something in debian, when I try to compile a static binary with libsvn_client-1, using -lsvn_client-1 it says a lot of errors like "undefined reference to `svn_pool_create_ex'" |
| 14:45.20 | zealo | themill: agree |
| 14:45.22 | smooki | hi |
| 14:45.38 | smooki | how to install vi please ? apt-get install vi ? |
| 14:45.45 | PythonNinja | tralala: through exactly the same error |
| 14:45.51 | themill | smooki: vim-full |
| 14:45.54 | zealo | smooki: apt-get install vim-full |
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| 14:46.02 | PythonNinja | tralala: told me i had a whole bunch of unmet dependencies |
| 14:46.03 | smooki | so apt-get vim-full ? |
| 14:46.06 | drwxr-xr-x | The same thing happens sometimes with other programs and other libraries, but only with static libs. I also later tried |
| 14:46.12 | dimir | drwxr-xr-x: compiling stuff statically requires certain knowledge. For example, the order of the libs you specify matters. |
| 14:46.14 | drwxr-xr-x | -lsvn_client-1 -lsvn_wc-1 -lsvn_fs-1 -lsvn_repos-1 -lsvn_delta-1 -lsvn_diff-1 -lsvn_subr-1 |
| 14:46.18 | zealo | drwxr-xr-x: you may need the libXXXX-dev |
| 14:46.22 | drwxr-xr-x | Really? |
| 14:46.26 | dimir | ye |
| 14:46.32 | drwxr-xr-x | So if I put one before another, it matters? |
| 14:46.35 | dimir | ye |
| 14:46.35 | smooki | zealo: ? |
| 14:46.35 | zealo | drwxr-xr-x: ./configure tells what ? |
| 14:47.03 | themill | smooki: "aptitude install vim" or "aptitude install vim-full" depending on how much you want |
| 14:47.12 | tralala | drwxr-xr-x, undefined reference means you're missing a lib |
| 14:47.12 | zealo | smooki: yeah, the behavior of vim-tiny is not so cute |
| 14:47.15 | drwxr-xr-x | configure says "libsvn_client-1 found libapr-1 found libaprutil-1 found |
| 14:47.22 | drwxr-xr-x | When searching for svn |
| 14:47.34 | smooki | i wrote apt-get install vim-full, that's add 60Mo ! |
| 14:47.47 | smooki | it's downloading now |
| 14:47.51 | tralala | drwxr-xr-x, or you have a wrong version of it |
| 14:48.01 | themill | smooki: that includes an X version too; if you want just the cli version then vim is enough |
| 14:48.20 | drwxr-xr-x | I typed grep somefunction /usr/lib/*svn* and included ALL of the libs that grep returned, by adding this to my gcc string: -lsvn_client-1 -lsvn_wc-1 -lsvn_fs-1 -lsvn_repos-1 -lsvn_delta-1 -lsvn_diff-1 -lapr-1 -laprutil-1 |
| 14:48.24 | smooki | only need to cli version but that's too late :) |
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| 14:48.45 | drwxr-xr-x | It compiled a non-static binary, but when I added -static it gave me almost 100 errors |
| 14:48.57 | mdales | moldy: got it - NOPASSWD, seems to work. I'll see how I get on with that, thanks |
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| 14:49.23 | tralala | drwxr-xr-x, perhaps you don't need all the libs that define the function but only one |
| 14:49.24 | drwxr-xr-x | Ignore that main refernce, |
| 14:49.28 | zealo | drwxr-xr-x: maybe some of the libs are not static linkable |
| 14:49.38 | drwxr-xr-x | That was from another program, sorry about the `main` one, ignore it |
| 14:49.41 | zealo | drwxr-xr-x: maybe they are all .so not .a |
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| 14:49.51 | themill | drwxr-xr-x: you're going to need to pastebin some errors here... |
| 14:49.54 | drwxr-xr-x | They all have both .so and .a version |
| 14:50.03 | drwxr-xr-x | How do I use pastebin? |
| 14:50.08 | themill | drwxr-xr-x: our mind-reading abilities aren't up to scratch today. |
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| 14:50.10 | themill | !paste |
| 14:50.10 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 14:50.10 | dust_t | anyone using sqlite3 with php on debian4? i am getting a "could not find driver" message. |
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| 14:50.21 | themill | drwxr-xr-x: copy-paste the message into one of those sites |
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| 14:50.32 | __sawyer | hey everyone |
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| 14:50.48 | tralala | drwxr-xr-x, did you compile with the -static flag from clean source? |
| 14:51.16 | drwxr-xr-x | Yes |
| 14:51.17 | __sawyer | i used debootstrap (nice piece of work) and i'm trying to compile mysql there |
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| 14:51.36 | __sawyer | but ps (from procps) doesn't give a version |
| 14:51.36 | drwxr-xr-x | Here's something though, I did not add -static to the making of the .o files, just the executable. Is that bad? |
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| 14:51.40 | __sawyer | so mysql can't go through |
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| 14:52.06 | smooki | hehe, thanks, good to got vi on that server :] |
| 14:52.19 | brif8 | Install debian (as etch) upgraded to sid and then apt-get dist-upgrade, rebuilt everything. rebooted now uses 2.6.22-3-686 (was 2.6.18-5-686) and it just hangs at Begin: Waiting for root file system... ... What is going on :( |
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| 14:52.24 | drwxr-xr-x | After I made the .o files with the makefile, for the final gcc command to make the executable I used -static, but it also made me use -ldl |
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| 14:52.28 | abrotman | __sawyer: aptitude install mysql-server ? |
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| 14:52.41 | __sawyer | abrotman, thanks but i need to compile it |
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| 14:53.07 | aiss | Is it possible to install Debian 4.0 on one big partition? 500gb?? |
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| 14:53.17 | petemc | yes |
| 14:53.18 | zealo | !tell brif8 about etch->lenny |
| 14:53.30 | aiss | petemc, there will be no problem? |
| 14:53.34 | smooki | aiss: you should use several |
| 14:53.34 | liable | brif8: we generally leave sid problems as an execise for the user |
| 14:53.49 | petemc | aiss: no real problems, no |
| 14:53.52 | themill | __sawyer: you could at least use the debian package as a start to pull in the build-deps. (why do you need to compile it?) |
| 14:54.06 | SerajewelKS | i'm having a weird issue with Xvnc. my X keymap is set to dvorak. i'm using realvnc to connect from a 'doze box where i am also running dvorak. when i type anything in the vnc window i get seemingly random characters. this *includes* the number keys, which i would expect would not be borked by, say, a triple-application of dvorak. when i type "1234" i see "90-=". |
| 14:54.12 | aiss | smooki, why? |
| 14:54.19 | smooki | is there kernel compiled for core duos ? |
| 14:54.23 | SerajewelKS | so it's like somewhere 8 is getting added to the keyboard scancode |
| 14:54.27 | SerajewelKS | but i'm not sure where or how to fix it |
| 14:54.28 | smooki | aiss: for becnhmark mainly |
| 14:54.32 | __sawyer | themill, i'm using debootstrap as a compiling environment to try out things |
| 14:54.36 | petemc | for benchmark? |
| 14:54.39 | petemc | wtf does that mean |
| 14:54.41 | zealo | brif8: apparently, you boot process stop at initrd |
| 14:54.43 | smooki | performance |
| 14:54.50 | __sawyer | i'm sorry, i think i made a mistake |
| 14:54.50 | tralala | PythonNinja, try to use a different dpkg --root and apt soruces.list for etch only for the download |
| 14:54.51 | drwxr-xr-x | I PASTED |
| 14:54.51 | themill | smooki: either -686 or -amd64 depending on what blows your trumpet |
| 14:54.54 | __sawyer | and wasted a bit of your time |
| 14:54.57 | aiss | smooki, my server should only run RT is it really nessary? |
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| 14:55.09 | smooki | RT ? |
| 14:55.13 | brif8 | zealo: yes and now what? won't boot new or old kernel :( |
| 14:55.13 | karrotx_ | what's the apt command to find the version number of a package? |
| 14:55.16 | abrotman | __sawyer: ? |
| 14:55.22 | tralala | PythonNinja, i.e. create a custom package database for etch to use for downloads |
| 14:55.24 | __sawyer | yeah i think i umounted proc |
| 14:55.27 | __sawyer | and forgot to remount it |
| 14:55.28 | abrotman | whoops |
| 14:55.30 | __sawyer | heh :/ |
| 14:55.30 | themill | karrotx_: apt-cache policy or dpkg -l |
| 14:55.38 | zealo | brif8: that means it either fails at load some core kernel module or fails at config some kernel stuff properly |
| 14:55.40 | aiss | RT = request tracker |
| 14:55.50 | __sawyer | yep |
| 14:55.51 | karrotx_ | themill: ah, thanks |
| 14:55.58 | __sawyer | sorry guys |
| 14:55.59 | tralala | drwxr-xr-x, would you like to share the url of the paste? |
| 14:56.03 | __sawyer | thanks though :) |
| 14:56.06 | smooki | aiss: not necessary, but unix phylososphie says use one partiontion for swap, one for datas, one for bins etc |
| 14:56.08 | abrotman | aiss: you can use one .. it's your call |
| 14:56.14 | brif8 | zealo: if I get it back to prompt can I cange sid to lenny and redo ? |
| 14:56.46 | zealo | brif8: sid==lenny |
| 14:56.56 | aiss | okay, its stock under creating ext3 file system :-) will it take long time? |
| 14:57.04 | zealo | brif8: try to figure out what blocks your kernel |
| 14:57.06 | aiss | 500gb |
| 14:57.09 | petemc | aiss: it might take a while, yes |
| 14:57.10 | themill | zealo: ? |
| 14:57.25 | zealo | themill: joke:) |
| 14:57.26 | aiss | okay, thanks |
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| 14:57.36 | brif8 | zealo: how it doesn't give any warning nothing just stops at waiting for root file system. |
| 14:57.51 | deb_user | how do I get the command dpkg-source to work in etch? |
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| 14:58.00 | themill | !waiting for the root file system |
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| 14:58.08 | themill | !waiting for the root filesystem |
| 14:58.08 | dpkg | If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root> |
| 14:58.16 | themill | brif8: ^^ |
| 14:58.24 | liable | brif8: i quick pointer might be that your drive has turned from hda to sda with the kernel upgrade |
| 14:58.30 | drwxr-xr-x | I pasted my message |
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| 14:58.35 | zealo | themill: yeah, that maybe a problem |
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| 14:59.01 | liable | !lose me |
| 14:59.01 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 14:59.08 | dust_t | I am running apt-cache search php5-sqlite and i get two results. now when i do apt-get install php5-sqlite i am getting package missing. |
| 14:59.11 | zealo | I am leaving, CU all |
| 14:59.14 | dust_t | what can i do in this case ? |
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| 14:59.34 | drwxr-xr-x | I pasted, sorry, got disconnected |
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| 14:59.46 | drwxr-xr-x | I |
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| 14:59.58 | aiss | petemc, do you know how long time it will take? |
| 15:00.06 | deb_user | anybody know how to you dpkg-source in etch? |
| 15:00.16 | deb_user | use dpkg-source, that is |
| 15:00.28 | azeem | deb_user: man dpkg-source |
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| 15:01.04 | deb_user | azeem: no manual entry for dpkg-source |
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| 15:01.16 | suppaman | where can I found an "old" .deb package ? |
| 15:01.25 | themill | !sdo |
| 15:01.31 | Maulkin | !sdn |
| 15:01.32 | dpkg | methinks sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 15:01.37 | themill | bollox |
| 15:01.43 | suppaman | thanks |
| 15:01.44 | Maulkin | !lose themill |
| 15:01.44 | dpkg | themill: You Lose. |
| 15:01.48 | azeem | deb_user: then either your installation is corrupt, or you don't have dpkg-source installed |
| 15:01.51 | themill | hmmph |
| 15:01.51 | suppaman | !win me |
| 15:01.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, me! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 15:02.08 | suppaman | wow |
| 15:02.30 | deb_user | azeem: i think dpkg-source is included in the dpkg-dev package |
| 15:02.34 | deb_user | installing it now |
| 15:02.37 | brif8 | Changing root=/dev/hdb1 to root=/dev/sda1 appears to do something also had to change swap address |
| 15:04.08 | brif8 | my nvidia fails again :( :( |
| 15:04.24 | suppaman | can I say aptitude to install from a specific repo ? |
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| 15:04.48 | suppaman | I've got both lenny and etch in sources.list and my box is upgraded atm, I'd like to get an older samba version |
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| 15:05.39 | Greek-Boy | My apache2 installation by apt-get stopped parsing php files all of a sudden after a restart of apache2 but I did not make any changes to the conf files. any ideas? |
| 15:05.44 | Maulkin | !downgrade |
| 15:05.44 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 15:05.48 | blairsooley | hey guys |
| 15:05.53 | blairsooley | just a quick question |
| 15:05.58 | blairsooley | can i dual boot debian and freebsd? |
| 15:06.05 | Maulkin | blairsooley: yes |
| 15:06.05 | PythonNinja | no |
| 15:06.10 | blairsooley | ?? |
| 15:06.11 | PythonNinja | computers just aren't that advanced |
| 15:06.17 | blairsooley | ... |
| 15:06.19 | Maulkin | PythonNinja: stop it. |
| 15:06.21 | simonrvn | yes you can |
| 15:06.22 | Maulkin | blairsooley: yes you can. |
| 15:06.22 | msan | suppaman: you'd have to do some sort of pinning in the /etc/apt/preferences file |
| 15:06.25 | blairsooley | kk |
| 15:06.29 | simonrvn | PythonNinja: be quiet |
| 15:06.34 | msan | !pinning |
| 15:06.34 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 15:06.37 | blairsooley | thanks simonrvn and Maulkin. :) |
| 15:06.48 | liable | i thought it was funny |
| 15:07.02 | simonrvn | needs work ;p |
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| 15:07.14 | suppaman | msan: pinning is attaching to something , isn't it ? |
| 15:07.18 | blairsooley | is there a guide on how to dual boot them? |
| 15:07.20 | aiss | How long time will it take to format & make partition for 500gb??? |
| 15:07.24 | simonrvn | ok, i was funny |
| 15:07.27 | simonrvn | it* |
| 15:07.30 | rhalff | hi any of you know a simple mysql based ftp client ? |
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| 15:07.37 | wols | aiss: depends if it verifiies or not |
| 15:07.39 | SerajewelKS | well maybe the mailing list can help me |
| 15:07.42 | Maulkin | rhalff: a what? |
| 15:07.48 | wols | rhalff: mysql based ftp _client_??? |
| 15:07.56 | rhalff | Maulkin: authentication from mysql I mean |
| 15:07.57 | themill | !tell blairsooley about dual boot guide |
| 15:07.58 | Maulkin | blairsooley: install one, then the other :) |
| 15:08.04 | joltcan | rhalff: pure-ftp is nice |
| 15:08.05 | perfector | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.10 | Maulkin | rhalff: proftpd works. Try asking google |
| 15:08.11 | wols | rhalff: such a thing is stupid to do and doesn't exist |
| 15:08.16 | msan | suppaman: yes, pinning allows you to keep to a particular version of a package, or a particular release. If you are running testing and want to get samba from stable, you can do that sort of thing. |
| 15:08.27 | liable | blairsooley: really, you need to learn to google |
| 15:08.30 | blairsooley | Maulkin, i thought it was different then that |
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| 15:08.38 | rhalff | yeah but I need a custom query with proftpd, and the documentation is about zero for proftpd |
| 15:08.38 | aiss | wols, right now its stock on 33% creating ext3 file system for /in partition 1# of SCSI1 (1,0,0)(sda)... how long will it take? |
| 15:08.44 | suppaman | !pinning |
| 15:08.44 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 15:08.45 | blairsooley | i use google though i find irc much faster |
| 15:08.51 | wols | aiss: I told you |
| 15:08.58 | suppaman | thanks |
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| 15:09.13 | msan | suppaman: understand that you will have to pin all the samba related packages, as well as any needed library packages. |
| 15:09.22 | aiss | wols, okay so it is normal .. |
| 15:09.32 | liable | blairsooley: yes but irc finds answering easily googled answers tiring |
| 15:09.40 | blairsooley | :p |
| 15:09.43 | suppaman | msan: omg.. |
| 15:09.58 | suppaman | msan: a simple forwardport is easier imho |
| 15:10.05 | Maulkin | Plus about 60% of the time, the people on IRC will be using google to find your answer anyway. |
| 15:10.06 | wols | suppaman: in short, you will break your dbeian stable |
| 15:10.16 | suppaman | wols: but I'm not on stable |
| 15:10.19 | Maulkin | Cut out the middle man, do it yourself. |
| 15:10.23 | deb_user | any insights on this error: E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
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| 15:10.26 | wols | suppaman: on what are you? |
| 15:10.27 | drwxr-xr-x | In debian gcc, are .os supposed to be compiled static for a static executable |
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| 15:10.31 | rhalff | Maulkin: thanks pure-ftp seems to be a lot easier |
| 15:10.31 | suppaman | wols: lenny |
| 15:10.38 | PythonNi1ja | blairsooley: yes it's a simple matter of configuring your bootloader (lilo or grub most likely) to recognise both partitions. then most likely inserting the kernel modules to read the other OS's filesystem so that your files are accessible in both instances |
| 15:10.40 | simonrvn | Maulkin: what? |
| 15:10.42 | wols | suppaman: still, do a backport |
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| 15:10.53 | PythonNinja | being an arse is fun! |
| 15:10.54 | PythonNinja | blairsooley: yes it's a simple matter of configuring your bootloader (lilo or grub most likely) to recognise both partitions. then most likely inserting the kernel modules to read the other OS's filesystem so that your files are accessible in both instances |
| 15:10.57 | aiss | but it shouldt take so long time for creating ext3 ?? |
| 15:10.59 | Dantix | hi all, what should be the reason by when I've loaded the nbd module it don't create the nbdx devices? this is happens on xen's domu, at dom0 works as expected |
| 15:11.01 | suppaman | wols: isn't a backport the porting from a newer release to an older one ? |
| 15:11.07 | simonrvn | you mean people just don't pop it off the top of their head? |
| 15:11.09 | msan | wols: he is running lenny and wants something from stable. |
| 15:11.15 | wols | suppaman: yes |
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| 15:11.27 | simonrvn | Maulkin: ^^^ |
| 15:11.31 | msan | which is the other way from what you're thinking, I think. |
| 15:11.33 | suppaman | wols: I'm on lenny and want an older version of samba as I think upgrade broke something |
| 15:11.34 | wols | oh. misunedrstood. then you should be able to do it just fine. usually |
| 15:11.39 | liable | Maulkin: intersting point. i guess we are too nice for our own good. or maybe its a handy learning process |
| 15:11.51 | suppaman | wols: sure the point is: which way ? |
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| 15:12.13 | msan | suppaman: it sounds daunting, but pinning is not that bad, you just need to be careful that is all. |
| 15:12.14 | PythonNi1ja | ok so just to check, no one has any ideas for how to download the .deb's for xorg-dev and all it's dependencies for etch from this lenny machine? unless apt-get -d -t etch install xorg-dev wasn't right? |
| 15:12.16 | wols | suppaman: either pinning or simply downloading the few packages installing via dpkg |
| 15:12.25 | Maulkin | simonrvn: Eh? |
| 15:12.36 | tralala | PythonNi1ja, I suppose my ideas count for nothing |
| 15:12.40 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:13.26 | malifal | hello, i just tried to install debian on dell inspiron 530 desktop and it failed :( The mouse wasn't right, every time I pressed enter it took it as 2 enter events, and it claims it cannot find the cdrom-drive even though it's booted from it (DVD). any help appreciated |
| 15:13.32 | PythonNi1ja | tralala: how so? i tried your -t idea, and unless i misinterpreted you, it didn't work |
| 15:13.33 | liable | i have gone out of my way to search for peoples problems in the past, doesnt happen much any more. helping on irc is still a good way to learn stuff yourself though |
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| 15:13.55 | simonrvn | Maulkin: i was replying to that |
| 15:13.58 | xand | malifal: if that's a new PC you probably need to use a newer kernel |
| 15:14.00 | Dantix | refrasing .... what should be the reason because when I've loaded the nbd module it don't create the nbdx devices? this is happens on xen's domu, at dom0 works as expected... |
| 15:14.29 | tralala | PythonNi1ja, try to set up a different dpkg database for etch only, using separate --root and sources.list. Point apt there to download |
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| 15:14.52 | PythonNi1ja | tralala: ok that sounds like it should work.. google time |
| 15:14.54 | tralala | you would need to pass dpkg options to apt using -o |
| 15:14.57 | malifal | xand: how can i get a newer kernel, all i have is what's on the dvd |
| 15:15.08 | xand | !kmuto |
| 15:15.08 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 15:15.10 | xand | use that |
| 15:15.11 | mark_s | hi all, I want to sent mail like ... mail -s"info" me@outside.com. It works as a user, but it doesn't work as root. Can I change that. Is save to change that. It is our fileserver and I want to mail system information. |
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| 15:16.27 | tralala | PythonNi1ja, it's not going to be especially straing-forward process but it should work |
| 15:17.57 | drwxr-xr-x | Where is a good place for compiling help on this network? |
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| 15:18.30 | wols | !tell drwxr-xr-x about ask |
| 15:18.32 | Greek-Boy | seems like my apache2 is not aware that php5 is installed. Maybe I broke something by installing php4 and php5 at the same time? i removed both installed php5 again. all with apt-get |
| 15:18.44 | themill | drwxr-xr-x: here's good, but you've got to ask questions and provide answers to what we've asked you |
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| 15:19.26 | themill | Greek-Boy: do you want php5 or php4? aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 15:19.40 | wols | Greek-Boy: dpkg -l |grep pgp |
| 15:19.43 | wols | Greek-Boy: dpkg -l |grep php |
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| 15:19.59 | drwxr-xr-x | I have a problem with compiling a program needing svn libraries. when I try to compile using the -static flag for many programs, I get "undefined reference to `somefunction'" errors, and it's not just svn. I get the following output (pasted on debian.de paste page), I expected it to compile fine |
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| 15:20.29 | wols | drwxr-xr-x: then maybe you should tell us the url of the paste? |
| 15:20.42 | Greek-Boy | ok |
| 15:20.48 | Greek-Boy | seems like php5 is indeed installed |
| 15:20.49 | Greek-Boy | but |
| 15:20.57 | Greek-Boy | apache2 is not parsing my php files |
| 15:21.02 | wols | !enter |
| 15:21.02 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 15:21.04 | suppaman | Greek-Boy: apache config ? |
| 15:21.11 | wols | Greek-Boy: and give us the output of that dpkg command |
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| 15:22.01 | suppaman | msan: I'd have liked more a one-command answer |
| 15:22.07 | suppaman | whatever, I'm reading pinning now |
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| 15:22.50 | drwxr-xr-x | I don't remember the URL |
| 15:23.01 | drwxr-xr-x | It was something like http://paste.debian.de |
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| 15:23.10 | drwxr-xr-x | #debian.de paste page |
| 15:24.01 | azeem | drwxr-xr-x: then you're screwed |
| 15:24.03 | drwxr-xr-x | /usr/lib/libsvn_subr-1.a(xml.o): In function `svn_xml_make_parser': |
| 15:24.03 | drwxr-xr-x | (.text+0x744): undefined reference to `XML_SetUserData' |
| 15:24.03 | drwxr-xr-x | /usr/lib/libaprutil-1.a(apr_md5.o): In function `apr_password_validate': |
| 15:24.03 | drwxr-xr-x | (.text+0x164c): undefined reference to `crypt' |
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| 15:24.08 | wols | drwxr-xr-x:it gave you a unique URL.either you tell us the url or we cannot look there. easy as that |
| 15:24.09 | junix|work | how do i hold back a package? |
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| 15:24.14 | azeem | drwxr-xr-x: as there are 1000+ pastes on paste.debian.de |
| 15:24.19 | azeem | drwxr-xr-x: repaste it |
| 15:24.22 | azeem | on that pastebin |
| 15:24.24 | wols | drwxr-xr-x:it gave you a unique URL.either you tell us the url or we cannot look there. easy as that |
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| 15:24.38 | drwxr-xr-x | I just put it there. Also, what is the URL? I DON'T REMEMBER IT! |
| 15:24.52 | grub | drwxr-xr-x, paste again, and give the URL |
| 15:24.53 | Greek-Boy | wols sorry |
| 15:24.56 | Greek-Boy | wols: http://paste.debian.net/46567 |
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| 15:25.29 | themill | drwxr-xr-x: it's a bit hard for us to know what your paste was if you don't know what it was... there are thousands of pastes on any pastebin. |
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| 15:25.40 | themill | drwxr-xr-x: it gives you the url of the paste for a reason... |
| 15:25.50 | drwxr-xr-x | It's at http://paste.debian.net/46565 |
| 15:25.59 | drwxr-xr-x | Those are my error messages |
| 15:26.11 | azeem | drwxr-xr-x: don't compile from source then |
| 15:26.20 | Bogus8_ | I'm having problems sending a file via zmodem on the serial port |
| 15:26.28 | azeem | drwxr-xr-x: or if you do, read the INSTALL instructions |
| 15:26.32 | Bogus8_ | anyone still mess with that stuff these days? |
| 15:26.37 | wols | Greek-Boy: ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load |
| 15:26.37 | Bogus8_ | I'm using minicom |
| 15:26.39 | drwxr-xr-x | Ok |
| 15:27.13 | brif8 | OK resume now stops Could not stat the resume device file '/dev/hdb5' from local-premount where is this stored ? |
| 15:27.20 | Greek-Boy | wols: its not theere |
| 15:27.45 | Greek-Boy | *there |
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| 15:28.15 | wols | Greek-Boy: a2enmod php5 then |
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| 15:29.19 | wols | brif8: do you have a prompt? |
| 15:29.39 | brif8 | yes at last I has to mannuall type for resume hdb5 => sda5 |
| 15:29.50 | wols | what kind of "resume"? |
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| 15:29.58 | Greek-Boy | thanks wols |
| 15:30.05 | brif8 | local-premount |
| 15:30.12 | wols | brif8: that a BS answer |
| 15:30.18 | wols | what kind of "resume"? |
| 15:30.44 | drwxr-xr-x | I did, it said nothing about making it static, so I decided to try on my own. It didn't work |
| 15:31.20 | junix|work | how do i hold back a package? |
| 15:31.29 | wols | !hold |
| 15:31.29 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 15:31.37 | raz | hm.. how can i forcefully remove/purge a package that has errors in its post-removal script? the "munin-node" pkg in stable seems to be broken, yet it somehow managed to install and now i cannot dpkg -P it... |
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| 15:31.58 | wols | !tell raz about bat |
| 15:32.01 | brif8 | I reboot it pauses at " Running /scripts/pre-mount" resume: Could not stat the resume device file '/dev/hdb5' Please type in the full path......... so I typed /dev/sda5 |
| 15:32.27 | brif8 | it boots a stops at prompt due to nvidia failure to load X |
| 15:32.36 | wols | boot fully and dpkg-reconfigure your kernel image package |
| 15:32.48 | wols | as for the nvidia thing: |
| 15:32.54 | wols | !tell brif8 about nvidia_post_etch |
| 15:33.34 | wols | brif8: but you really should run stable |
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| 15:34.29 | raz | wols, http://rafb.net/p/z8PiX577.html |
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| 15:34.55 | raz | wols, the first install attempt listed in that paste was the first i tried (which failed). everything below is just my attempts to re-install or purge the package. |
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| 15:34.57 | brif8 | perhaps another distro but I want to push through and get this to work with debian . for "kernel image package" =>> dpkg-reconfigure kernel-2.6.22-3-686 ? |
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| 15:35.51 | wols | raz: add the group munin with GID 606 |
| 15:35.53 | ciazzz | hi |
| 15:35.54 | ciazzz | does anyone know a channel where one speaks about ns2 or systemC |
| 15:35.55 | ciazzz | ? |
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| 15:36.15 | raz | wols, the group exists, the first install attempt apparently created it. |
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| 15:37.04 | wols | raz: you can put "exit 0" as the 2nd lin in your postrm script for the package then |
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| 15:37.35 | brif8 | wols: I found the /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-premount/resume which has /dev/disk/by-label/${resume#LABEL=} where is ${resume#LABEL=} set ? |
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| 15:38.22 | mike1o | how do set a maximum apt cache size? |
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| 15:38.35 | wols | !mmap |
| 15:38.35 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 15:38.47 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
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| 15:39.06 | simonrvn | or have wols trigger the mmap factoid :P |
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| 15:41.09 | jelly | that's the _memory_ limit |
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| 15:41.39 | jelly | not, say, du /var/cache/apt/archive |
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| 15:41.55 | raz | wols, where would i put that? |
| 15:41.58 | wols | jelly: then tell us why there would be a limit for /var/cache |
| 15:42.00 | simonrvn | yeh, that's true. |
| 15:42.24 | wols | unless your disk is full of course. in that case: buy a bigger disk |
| 15:42.28 | jelly | wols: wwwoffle has one! |
| 15:42.38 | simonrvn | disk/partition size ;). one could set a quote for /var or split out /var/cache and quote that |
| 15:42.38 | wols | wwwoffle != apt |
| 15:42.42 | raz | wols, where can i find the postrm script for that package? |
| 15:42.52 | wols | raz: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 15:42.54 | simonrvn | quota* |
| 15:42.55 | jelly | wols: you !~ analogies? |
| 15:43.05 | wols | jelly: you != facts ? |
| 15:43.17 | raz | wols, thank you |
| 15:43.20 | simonrvn | you !sense |
| 15:43.22 | jelly | wols: usually not |
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| 15:44.25 | kaarlo` | hello |
| 15:44.28 | kaarlo` | what do this mean? |
| 15:44.28 | kaarlo` | http://paste.debian.net/46571 |
| 15:44.58 | mike1o | is it possibile to set a maximum cache size for aptitude? :) |
| 15:44.59 | jelly | limiting /var usage is almost always a sensible feature. "Do my upgrades in 500MB chunks" |
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| 15:45.18 | wols | kaarlo`: it means NETBIOS has no network named "192.168.1.3" and you used the wrong smbclient option |
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| 15:45.36 | wols | mike1o: what do you mean with cache size? |
| 15:46.00 | themill | kaarlo`: you should either specify the entire resource, i.e //192.168.1.3/sharename or you should specify -l on the command line to list the available shares |
| 15:46.04 | mike1o | wols, I mean cached packages |
| 15:46.09 | kaarlo` | ok |
| 15:46.25 | wols | mike1o: as simonrvn said: quotas |
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| 15:46.42 | wols | and you can auto-clean or clean the cache |
| 15:46.44 | simonrvn | mike1o: if you're running out of room, clean up the package download dir. i do f10 c calls the menu then "presses" the cache clean up menu item |
| 15:47.15 | themill | kaarlo`: erm... that should be -L not -l |
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| 15:47.42 | kaarlo` | it works now |
| 15:47.43 | kaarlo` | :D |
| 15:47.44 | kaarlo` | thx |
| 15:47.49 | mike1o | wols, is auto-cleaning difficult to implement? |
| 15:48.07 | wols | mike1o: man apt-get, man aptitude |
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| 15:48.16 | wols | mike1o: I think autoclean is not what you think it is |
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| 15:48.27 | mike1o | wols, me too |
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| 15:48.59 | brif8 | wols: any ideas on apt-get install nvidia-glx "nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.07 but is not installable" |
| 15:49.12 | liable | lenny? |
| 15:49.14 | wols | brif8: yes. dpkg gave you a factoid what to do |
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| 15:49.27 | wols | liable: sid of course. only sid is good enough for brif8 |
| 15:49.30 | simonrvn | mike1o: autoclean is to clean up *old* .debs, not do it automatically |
| 15:49.32 | IlIllI^|IlI7 | pitted poons, pitted poon poons, pitted p00ns, pitted p00n p00ns |
| 15:49.34 | IlIllI^|IlI7 | hanging out for the bal an freigh, for the hanging out for the balling freight |
| 15:49.35 | IlIllI^|IlI7 | suck suck suck a r0ck, sh00t an 0ffended p00 |
| 15:49.35 | IlIllI^|IlI7 | gobble de gook |
| 15:49.36 | IlIllI^|IlI7 | Roog roog rotty! ROOG ROOG ROUGHTY! Roog roog rotty! ROOG ROOG ROUGHTY! Roog roog rotty! ROOG ROOG ROUGHTY! Roog roog rotty! ROOG ROOG ROUGHTY! Roog roog rotty! ROOG ROOG ROUGHTY! |
| 15:49.36 | IlIllI^|IlI7 | Ruggity digger... Rug ruggity digger. Bah hah big barn brother |
| 15:49.37 | IlIllI^|IlI7 | Rudalee oonk doonk doonk doo doo deink. |
| 15:49.37 | *** kick/#debian [IlIllI^|IlI7!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 15:49.44 | themill | ffs |
| 15:49.48 | liable | hrm, will it rejoin? |
| 15:49.59 | simonrvn | what a moron |
| 15:50.05 | brif8 | wols: I was following the factoid and got as far as apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 15:50.14 | wols | brif8: you didn't follow it |
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| 15:50.25 | simonrvn | !ops IlIllI^|IlI7 |
| 15:50.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: IlIllI^|IlI7 |
| 15:50.28 | P00N | come flood #debian, flooding #debian is fun, come flood #debian, come help... flood! Diddeley oonk doonk doonk doo doo deink! |
| 15:50.28 | P00N | jev jeva, jev jev jevavi, jevevev jeva, jev jev |
| 15:50.28 | P00N | Hejah jaj, hejajat jah |
| 15:50.28 | P00N | Boobtoob, hakhtoob, habib, jel-roo |
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| 15:50.29 | mike1o | wols, is there an auto-clean service? |
| 15:50.33 | RichiH | hmm |
| 15:50.38 | wols | mike1o:no |
| 15:50.38 | simonrvn | woops |
| 15:50.50 | simonrvn | sorry people... |
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| 15:51.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o Maulkin] by Maulkin |
| 15:51.08 | simonrvn | i think you get who ;) |
| 15:51.12 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 15:51.14 | LoRez | Maulkin: they've been klined |
| 15:51.36 | themill | LoRez, Maulkin: thanks :) |
| 15:51.37 | liable | we cant see that though |
| 15:51.44 | Maulkin | LoRez: meh. I'd needto reop myself to do that then. DOUBLE BAN! |
| 15:51.47 | azeem | trust the cabal |
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| 15:52.00 | RichiH | hehe |
| 15:52.15 | jelly | !tinc |
| 15:52.15 | dpkg | http://www.tinc-vpn.org/ or There Is No Cabal, or http://tinc.debian.net/ |
| 15:52.17 | PythonNinja | DOUBLE ban?! oh the horror! |
| 15:52.17 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@80.90.83.5] by RichiH |
| 15:52.24 | suppaman | how does apt manage repositories' priority ? |
| 15:52.26 | RichiH | Maulkin: here, let me take that workload off your shoulders |
| 15:52.27 | wols | azeem: only as far as we can see it |
| 15:52.35 | suppaman | I mean which comes first in sources.list |
| 15:52.42 | simonrvn | RichiH: heh |
| 15:52.54 | wols | suppaman: nothing to do with what comes first in sources.list |
| 15:53.04 | suppaman | wols: that's what I meant |
| 15:53.04 | wols | suppaman: either "newest version" or pinning |
| 15:53.16 | Maulkin | RichiH: ta :) |
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| 15:53.32 | suppaman | I'm reading the samba pages in snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:53.43 | jelly | suppaman: pinning aside, versions aside, packages with same version gets downloaded from the first repo mentioned in sources.list |
| 15:54.47 | liable | what do they mean when talking of adresses or offsets like 20h ? |
| 15:55.01 | simonrvn | 20 hours ;p |
| 15:55.06 | jelly | suppaman: probably man apt_preferences |
| 15:55.43 | liable | its like a hex offset but i dont get the h bit |
| 15:56.00 | rj-away | it just signifies hex |
| 15:56.07 | rj-away | alternative syntax to 0x20 |
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| 15:56.44 | jelly | or $20, a long time ago and in a NMOS 6502 galaxy |
| 15:56.47 | liable | what about 360h doesnt make sense, its a byte and a half |
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| 15:57.43 | simonrvn | jelly: hehe |
| 15:57.45 | jelly | 1.8h would be byte and a half ;-) 360h is just 0x360 |
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| 15:57.54 | suppaman | sdn provides me a few deb lines, I've added them on top of my sources.list |
| 15:57.57 | mario69 | I need to do some changes to legacy text files with ISO-8859-.. encoding, but my default keyboard under X is Unicode. Is there a tool to change the kb encoding on the fly? |
| 15:58.07 | misreckoning | is there a way to remove KDE and all kde applications? |
| 15:58.21 | simonrvn | !remove kde |
| 15:58.21 | dpkg | hmm... remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 15:59.04 | dimsuz | while we're at it: how to remove e.g. gnome-games w/o removing whole gnome desktop? |
| 15:59.26 | raz | dimsuz, have you tried dpkg -P gnome-games ? |
| 15:59.32 | delire | what, out of interest, is the rationale for shipping stable with Exim as the default MTA over something a little more modern, like postfix? |
| 15:59.33 | azeem | dimsuz: the gnome package is just an empty meta-package |
| 15:59.40 | azeem | dimsuz: it doesn't hurt to remove it |
| 15:59.41 | azeem | mostly |
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| 15:59.48 | jelly | mario69: run an xterm with your 8859-x locale and edit inside that... like env LANG=hr_HR xterm ... it should just work |
| 15:59.48 | petemc | delire: how is postfix more modern? |
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| 15:59.52 | Pl1ck-a-pl33k-a- | Reebity beebity beeb. Reebity beeb. Reeby deeby deeb. |
| 15:59.52 | Pl1ck-a-pl33k-a- | Bibbity bobbity toob |
| 15:59.52 | Pl1ck-a-pl33k-a- | Hogalida rugalee roo |
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| 15:59.54 | Maulkin | delire: See debian-devel archives. (ps: exim is modern) |
| 16:00.04 | dimsuz | azeem: I know. But it triggers removing of all the gnome packages because they depend on it |
| 16:00.11 | simonrvn | here we go again |
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| 16:00.24 | themill | LoRez: fail |
| 16:00.26 | mario69 | jelly, will emacs run from such xterm inherit the encoding? |
| 16:00.28 | azeem | dimsuz: eh? |
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| 16:00.34 | simonrvn | LoRez: thanks |
| 16:00.39 | rmaj | how to reinstall mbr/grub, into sata (sda) drive? |
| 16:00.39 | bluuuuuuu | http://thisbitch.info/?id=e7506fd85b3ebc13f85fba85dceb2841 ... |
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| 16:00.40 | azeem | dimsuz: please show the apt-get output on a pastebin |
| 16:00.51 | stew | laggy laggy |
| 16:00.51 | RichiH | stew: too late, i hit that |
| 16:00.53 | delire | Maulkin: alright i will. |
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| 16:01.00 | LoRez | themill: uh, no. different address. |
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| 16:01.15 | themill | LoRez: yeah... same idiot though :( |
| 16:01.22 | jelly | mario69: that's the point, but I haven't tried emacs. |
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| 16:01.37 | epsas | win 2 |
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| 16:01.47 | LoRez | themill: well, the day you craft a patch so we can kline by idiot instead by address, we'll all be free to do a lot more IRL |
| 16:01.48 | azeem | whoa epsas |
| 16:01.54 | Maulkin | (opers... pr0n link there) |
| 16:01.58 | liable | jelly: isnt 3 hex a byte and a half? |
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| 16:02.11 | themill | LoRez: heh... working on it :) |
| 16:02.12 | dimsuz | azeem: aptitude in my case :). It fails at start with a conflict. when I select the resolution to remove gnome-desktop-environment along with gnome-games it produces an output I'll paste in a moment :) |
| 16:02.24 | mario69 | jelly, thanks for the idea, will go and see if it works. |
| 16:02.26 | azeem | dimsuz: sounds like a deeper issue then |
| 16:02.27 | grub | rmaj, grub-install /dev/sda |
| 16:02.29 | jelly | liable: only if you're counting nibbles |
| 16:02.47 | simonrvn | meanwhile, i'm having to deal with spammers on my wiki... |
| 16:03.39 | misreckoning | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 16:03.41 | dimsuz | azeem: ah, I'll just show you my whole aptitude session: http://pastebin.ca/849521 |
| 16:04.13 | themill | dpkg: confuse liable |
| 16:04.13 | dpkg | No, what was your weasel today, liable? trousers of the monarchy of swaziland with extra herring |
| 16:04.26 | liable | mmmm, herring |
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| 16:05.20 | enouf | dimsuz: have you tried tasksel? (if you;re trying to remove everything gnome (even just teh g-d-e)) |
| 16:05.54 | azeem | enouf: dimsuz is not |
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| 16:06.14 | azeem | dimsuz: maybe try aptitude remove gnome-desktop-environment gnome-games then |
| 16:06.15 | enouf | ok |
| 16:06.48 | Hideme | When using Aptitude, it keeps saying "Removing kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp" which is same as my running kernel. It then dies with error "subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" and now I can't update anything. Any suggestions? |
| 16:07.25 | azeem | Hideme: what else does it say? Post the entire output on paste.debian.net |
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| 16:08.31 | Bitobor | Can someone pls help me to fix the problem w/Debian package manager? http://pastebin.ca/849523 |
| 16:08.51 | Hideme | azeem http://paste.debian.net/46575 |
| 16:09.12 | shamrock` | guys which would be the best channel to discuss dovecot on debain? |
| 16:09.27 | SlayerXP | shamrock`: what's debain? |
| 16:09.28 | azeem | Hideme: did you answer yes or no? |
| 16:09.37 | azeem | SlayerXP: typo for debian |
| 16:09.37 | Hideme | answered no |
| 16:09.38 | shamrock` | but just in case - anyone know the config option to stop dovecot tls session timing out? |
| 16:09.46 | Hideme | azeem answered no |
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| 16:10.07 | azeem | Hideme: what does "dpkg -l kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp | tail -n 1" say? |
| 16:10.24 | dimsuz | enouf: what's tasksel? |
| 16:10.35 | liable | jelly: mind if i pick your brain? |
| 16:10.38 | dimsuz | azeem: thanks. i'll try |
| 16:10.48 | Hideme | azeem tail: option requires an argument -- n |
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| 16:11.02 | azeem | Hideme: the argument is "1" |
| 16:11.04 | enouf | dimsuz: man tasksel .. but follow up on other's advices |
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| 16:11.13 | azeem | maybe you wrote an l - el, not the digit 1 |
| 16:11.16 | karrotx_ | does anyone know how to change the title for webalizer stats? I've tried changing ReportTitle but that doesn't seem to make any changes |
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| 16:11.30 | Hideme | azeem ri kernel-image-2 2.6.8-16sarge6 Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro |
| 16:11.37 | Gnu_Raiz | anyone use lcd4linux |
| 16:11.42 | enouf | dimsuz: i came late . so i don't know your entire situation, others helping you may |
| 16:11.47 | azeem | Hideme: ok, so what does apt-get -f install say? |
| 16:11.49 | Bogus8_ | I'm having problems sending a file via zmodem on the serial port |
| 16:11.56 | Bogus8_ | anyone still mess with that stuff these days? |
| 16:12.05 | Bogus8_ | I'm using minicom |
| 16:12.09 | Gnu_Raiz | I mess with serial lcd screens. |
| 16:12.29 | dimsuz | enouf: I'm trying to remove *only* gnome-games, but it triggers removing of g-d-e which triggers removing of all of the gnome :) |
| 16:12.40 | rmaj_ | should I use debian net install or what to reinstall mbr/grub on sda? must I use 64bit distro if the system is 64bit or it doesnt matter? |
| 16:12.42 | enouf | dimsuz: i see |
| 16:12.46 | Bogus8_ | Gnu_Raiz: well, this has a hand shake happen before sending the files... minicom sees the hand shake and starts sending but my devices doesn't listen to it |
| 16:13.00 | dimsuz | azeem: didn't help. aptitude remove g-d-e wants to remove everything |
| 16:13.16 | Gnu_Raiz | can you set the delay so it sends when your device is ready. |
| 16:13.17 | Bogus8_ | rmaj_: you don't have to use 64bit |
| 16:13.38 | Bogus8_ | Gnu_Raiz: from what I've read it SHOULD work... I was thinking about a delay also |
| 16:13.43 | Hideme | azeem apt-get -f install installed a few left over dependency's, but still the same error when using aptitude. |
| 16:14.13 | azeem | Hideme: it's not quite clear to me what aptitude is doing |
| 16:14.19 | Bogus8_ | thing is, my device either turns on, or goes into "recieve" mode when detecting an xfer when turned on... right now it just keeps turning on and not going into recieve mode |
| 16:14.21 | azeem | Hideme: are you trying to upgrade to etch or something? |
| 16:14.43 | rmaj_ | which small livecd is good to setup grub in mbr of sata hd? |
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| 16:15.01 | grub | rmaj_, even the netinst cd, use the rescue option |
| 16:15.08 | liable | rmaj_: any one that has a kernel that sees your sata controller |
| 16:15.21 | liable | rmaj_: the installer you used is a the bet |
| 16:15.24 | Hideme | azeem it's trying to upgrade the kernel, to the same kernel or something. |
| 16:15.25 | Bogus8_ | always good to have a "full featured" live cd though |
| 16:15.35 | Gnu_Raiz | ouch most of the serial stuff is out dated. I was looking for some answers and all the howto's were from 2003. |
| 16:15.43 | azeem | Hideme: pastebin the output of "aptitude upgrade" |
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| 16:15.56 | Bogus8_ | Gnu_Raiz: yeah, it seems to be a dying mechanism :( |
| 16:16.02 | Hideme | azeem I'm running sarge... just looked at the apt source file, looks like "stable" is listed... should be sarge, right? |
| 16:16.04 | liable | full featured? three commands in a debian install and you have a chroot to your install and access to everything on it |
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| 16:16.20 | azeem | Hideme: no |
| 16:16.23 | azeem | Hideme: stable is etch now |
| 16:16.27 | Gnu_Raiz | people use it, but USB is more universal now. you might find some gems on google, but it might take some time. |
| 16:16.30 | azeem | so you're trying to upgrade to etch |
| 16:16.31 | Bogus8_ | liable: but there are other things that are helpful for other problems SAMBA, gparted |
| 16:16.40 | azeem | Hideme: if you want to stay with sarge, but sarge in there, not etch |
| 16:16.49 | azeem | Hideme: also, what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1" say? |
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| 16:16.58 | liable | Bogus8_: sure, but in this case, not needed |
| 16:17.02 | Hideme | azeem right! but I don't want to upgrade. So that might be the issue... it's trying to go up to stable. |
| 16:17.10 | Bogus8_ | Gnu_Raiz: yeah, I've done a few specific searches but mostly just how-to success stories of exactly what I'm doing ;) |
| 16:17.25 | Bogus8_ | liable: right, I was just saying "it's always good to have one around" |
| 16:17.44 | Gnu_Raiz | dang that doesn't solve your problem though, sounds like my problem, |
| 16:17.49 | Bogus8_ | lol |
| 16:17.51 | liable | Bogus8_: agreed, i have a sysrescue and ubuntu disk for such things :) |
| 16:17.58 | Gnu_Raiz | everything looks like it works, but no screen lit. |
| 16:18.20 | Gnu_Raiz | even the debug options show its working, but it could be a hal thing, or udev. |
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| 16:18.27 | liable | i wish debian would include parted on the installer |
| 16:18.36 | azeem | 17:16 < azeem> Hideme: also, what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1" say? |
| 16:18.41 | Bogus8_ | Gnu_Raiz: I read about lrzsz and installed it but still no good... was hoping something was updated in the handshaking |
| 16:19.03 | liable | jelly: ding dong |
| 16:19.13 | Gnu_Raiz | you might want to email the maintainer if their is one. |
| 16:19.18 | jelly | the witch is dead! |
| 16:19.29 | jm|laptop | hey ho! |
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| 16:19.39 | liable | jelly: mind if i pick your brain about this h thing? |
| 16:19.44 | Bogus8_ | Gnu_Raiz: yeah, this is for a Free To Air reciever so it ends up skating on the fringe |
| 16:20.11 | Bogus8_ | Gnu_Raiz: any other suggestions for an app like minicom (though it should work) |
| 16:20.14 | jelly | liable: wasn't looking ... which eitch thing? |
| 16:20.20 | rocketmagnet | hi, can someone help me with installing debian from a dvd ? when i boot from the dvd and come into the install menu he is not able to find my dvd device =( |
| 16:20.34 | liable | jelly: the hex h thing i was on about before |
| 16:20.37 | Gnu_Raiz | ouch, some guru should know this stuff just a matter of finding one willing to part with their knowledge. |
| 16:20.38 | rocketmagnet | what device file do i need ? |
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| 16:20.59 | jelly | liable: oh, that one |
| 16:21.00 | Bogus8_ | Gnu_Raiz: funny thing is I've read about a user that wined the windows app to upload and after loading minicom used it (basically minicom worked as a tunnel I guess, since the win app can't controll linux's serial ports) |
| 16:21.34 | Gnu_Raiz | wow sounds like a less then optimal solution. |
| 16:21.39 | Hideme | azeem ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13et GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 16:21.53 | azeem | Hideme: so you've partly upgraded to etch already |
| 16:21.54 | jelly | liable: I have to warn you, my brain was done by the lowest bidder |
| 16:21.58 | Bogus8_ | Gnu_Raiz: especially since I don't really run X on that machine ;) |
| 16:22.15 | enouf | rocketmagnet: enable AHCI in the BIOS if a recent Intel board |
| 16:22.17 | Gnu_Raiz | kind of like finding out that my serial lcd screen was not supported in the *bsd's, or more accurately lcdproc. |
| 16:22.36 | Hideme | azeem darn.. can I just edit my "stable" lines and be ok? |
| 16:22.38 | Gnu_Raiz | could never get it working in that OS, |
| 16:22.38 | liable | jelly: see http://packetstorm.linuxsecurity.com/papers/password/Bios.Information.Leakage.txt and 0x37 and explain. i dont get it at all |
| 16:22.39 | rocketmagnet | enouf: yes, i have a asus board with a dualcore intel |
| 16:22.42 | Bogus8_ | that sucks |
| 16:22.51 | azeem | Hideme: no |
| 16:23.05 | Hideme | azeem well what are my options now? |
| 16:23.18 | azeem | Hideme: why do you want to keep on using sarge? |
| 16:23.21 | enouf | rocketmagnet: look for [raid] , [ahci] , [ide] mode - if only raid and ide exist, choose raid, otherwise choose ahci |
| 16:23.24 | \amethyst | kokoko1: |
| 16:23.30 | Gnu_Raiz | kind of like your problem, if I could hack good could probably make it work, |
| 16:23.31 | \amethyst | doh |
| 16:23.36 | Bogus8_ | serial communications is so outdated and being phased out not many people have the skills to get by now |
| 16:23.41 | Gnu_Raiz | but my knowledge of such things is pretty low. |
| 16:23.42 | Hideme | azeem scared the upgrade will hose my system. |
| 16:23.44 | Maulkin | ... |
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| 16:23.53 | rocketmagnet | enouf: k, other things i have to care about ? |
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| 16:24.00 | azeem | Hideme: well, backup your important data |
| 16:24.03 | rocketmagnet | not that i start the install and get lost ;) |
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| 16:24.10 | enouf | rocketmagnet: not for the issue you presented ;-) |
| 16:24.10 | Maulkin | Serial really isn't being phased out. |
| 16:24.12 | Bogus8_ | Gnu_Raiz: yep, same here... especially when the part that isn't working is a closed up set top box |
| 16:24.17 | Hideme | azeem what is the best way to continue forward now? |
| 16:24.18 | azeem | Hideme: if you don't screw it up yourself (well, you mostly did already), it should be relatively safe |
| 16:24.19 | Bogus8_ | but it works in other situations |
| 16:24.28 | enouf | rocketmagnet: well, "/msg dpkg ig" (for installer guide) |
| 16:24.30 | streuner | What's a simple gtk-based wav-player? |
| 16:24.30 | azeem | Hideme: I recommend an upgrade to etch |
| 16:24.41 | rocketmagnet | ty |
| 16:24.47 | azeem | Hideme: or just don't touch the system with apt-get/aptitude again until you want to upgrade |
| 16:24.50 | Bogus8_ | Maulkin: any idea why my FTA box doesn't want to recognize that it has a file being sent to it from minicom? |
| 16:24.57 | simonrvn | Maulkin: exactly. just because someone else doesn't use it, doesn't mean it's dead |
| 16:24.59 | jelly | liable: yeah, it makes no sense |
| 16:25.04 | Hideme | azeem the best way to do that upgrade now? |
| 16:25.13 | azeem | I don't understand the question |
| 16:25.17 | enouf | rocketmagnet: just let me know about if the dvd drive then get's seen/recognized, thanks |
| 16:25.24 | Maulkin | Bogus8_: no. That the hell is your FTA box? |
| 16:25.24 | Hideme | azeem what is the best way to do that upgrade now? |
| 16:25.36 | liable | jelly: thats not the answer i wanted! |
| 16:25.36 | azeem | Hideme: read the etch release notes |
| 16:25.43 | Bogus8_ | Maulkin: Free To Air (it's a satellite reciever) |
| 16:25.53 | Bogus8_ | Maulkin: you program it's eeprom via the serial port |
| 16:25.54 | rocketmagnet | enouf: k, if not you'll see me in a few minutes =) |
| 16:25.55 | Maulkin | Bogus8_: ask whoever you got it off. |
| 16:26.02 | rocketmagnet | if it works i come back after the install |
| 16:26.10 | Bogus8_ | Maulkin: but it works if I hook it up to a serial app on windows |
| 16:26.18 | Maulkin | Bogus8_: are you sure you do that? As in really, really sure? |
| 16:26.43 | Bogus8_ | Maulkin: it flashes files to some eeprom in it somewhere |
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| 16:27.04 | Maulkin | Bogus8_: That doesn't mean it's a serial console. |
| 16:27.10 | Bogus8_ | Maulkin: I never said it was |
| 16:27.24 | Maulkin | 16:24 < Bogus8_> Maulkin: any idea why my FTA box doesn't want to recognize that it has a file being sent to it from minicom? |
| 16:27.33 | Bogus8_ | right |
| 16:28.06 | Maulkin | ROMS aren't programmed by serial comms. |
| 16:28.15 | Maulkin | (Typically. I supposed they could be...) |
| 16:28.17 | Bogus8_ | when you use a zmodem connection to upload a file to the device... set the upload going then power on the device it recongizes that it has an incoming file and switches to "program mode" and lets the file upload. |
| 16:28.18 | enouf | FTA == a new gov't admin? |
| 16:28.21 | liable | jelly: right, so go here, http://www.electrocution.com/biosc.htm and head down to base i/o address and tell me about that bit if you will :) |
| 16:28.25 | enouf | rofl |
| 16:28.34 | simonrvn | that'd be more FTAA |
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| 16:28.41 | enouf | :-p |
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| 16:28.43 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 16:30.14 | themill | liable: I think the take-home message is that the x86 arch is a mess... |
| 16:30.33 | tls_81 | hi good evening, if I have a process /sbin/gettyS0 9600 vt100 running does that mean there is something connected to my serial port? or just that the serial port exists? |
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| 16:30.50 | liable | themill: no, thats not the answer, i need to understand this h stuff :) |
| 16:30.52 | rocketmagnet | enouf: does not work =( |
| 16:30.56 | rocketmagnet | i've enabled AHCI |
| 16:31.03 | rocketmagnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.13 | liable | themill: it doesnt make sense to me with three hex numbers and a h |
| 16:31.15 | rocketmagnet | but the debian install does not find my dvd and mit SATA drives =( |
| 16:31.34 | \amethyst | liable: why not? |
| 16:31.52 | liable | \amethyst: why not what? |
| 16:31.54 | \amethyst | liable: 220h = 0x0220 is a 16-bit address |
| 16:31.55 | themill | liable: what's wrong with it? 0x360 sounds like a fine address to me |
| 16:31.58 | enouf | rocketmagnet: eww |
| 16:32.06 | \amethyst | liable: leading zeros are often omitted |
| 16:32.12 | rocketmagnet | what device files have SATA drives ? |
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| 16:32.27 | rocketmagnet | enouf: bad ??? |
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| 16:32.29 | enouf | rocketmagnet: what board and chipset is it exactly? and which release are you using? |
| 16:32.44 | enouf | rocketmagnet: usually /dev/sdX |
| 16:32.49 | liable | \amethyst: ok |
| 16:32.51 | \amethyst | liable: the "Password Seed and Color Option" thing does seem to be wrong, though |
| 16:32.54 | rocketmagnet | it's the P5K |
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| 16:33.01 | rocketmagnet | mainboard |
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| 16:33.19 | \amethyst | liable: because it says bits 7-4 are "password seed", but then the examples imply that bits 4-7 are the background color |
| 16:33.20 | rocketmagnet | from asus |
| 16:33.27 | \amethyst | s/4-7/7-4/ |
| 16:33.48 | liable | themill: but 0x360 is a byte and a half which (not that i really know anything) is a byte and a hlf, which just seems wrong |
| 16:33.52 | tls_81 | I have a process /sbin/gettyS0 9600 vt100 running does that mean there is something connected to my serial port? or just that the serial port exists? |
| 16:34.02 | liable | \amethyst: thats what was confusing me |
| 16:34.09 | enouf | rocketmagnet: the libata and ata_piix shows ata: and sdX messages in dmesg for them though - cat /proc/scsi/scsi would shw info about the drives - you might need a newer kernel then .. which installer/release are you using? |
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| 16:34.39 | rocketmagnet | etch r2 |
| 16:34.53 | rocketmagnet | dvd install |
| 16:34.54 | enouf | rocketmagnet: see if a recent livecd (say knoppix, or something similar, small grml.org, whatever) sees all devices |
| 16:35.12 | enouf | rocketmagnet: i'd have to look up your mainboard specs |
| 16:36.06 | rocketmagnet | what do you need to know ? |
| 16:36.18 | jelly | liable: non-compliant (ISA?) cards don't have all the address lines, so there's aliasing... if the card only cares aboout first 10 address lines (because back in the day there wasn't that many ioports), it might be seen on all the addresses that match those 10 address lines |
| 16:36.39 | enouf | rocketmagnet: i asked already, the Chipset |
| 16:36.46 | liable | jelly: whoah, i am just trying to understand the syntax :P |
| 16:36.54 | themill | liable: think numbers of bytes not bits |
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| 16:37.22 | enouf | rocketmagnet: and are you sure the DVD drive is NOT on a 3rd party controller? |
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| 16:38.12 | antixogh | you mean like the police? |
| 16:38.32 | enouf | rocketmagnet: you need support for the controller, and if the controller is the ICH8/9, enabling AHCI should take care of seeing it - you might have a Marvell, Sil, JMicron 3rd party chip that the drive is hooked up to |
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| 16:39.03 | rocketmagnet | enouf: i've plugged the dvd like the hdd on the onboard sata (sata1 and sata2) |
| 16:39.28 | rocketmagnet | enouf: Intel P35, ICH9 with Intel Faste Memory Access Technology |
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| 16:39.49 | liable | themill: eh? hex is bits represented. i was just wondering about the 320h which didnt make sense, though \amethyst suggests it misses the leading 0 |
| 16:40.30 | enouf | rocketmagnet: this? http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=542&l4=0&model=1652&modelmenu=2 |
| 16:41.14 | enouf | rocketmagnet: i'd need to see lspci output |
| 16:41.25 | rocketmagnet | k |
| 16:41.32 | rocketmagnet | np |
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| 16:42.11 | Seven_Six_Two | unable to WRITE@LBA=0h |
| 16:42.24 | rocketmagnet | i'll reboot and tell you |
| 16:42.27 | Seven_Six_Two | I don't understand why I can't burn dvds anymore |
| 16:42.30 | rocketmagnet | enouf: just lspci ? |
| 16:42.32 | rocketmagnet | on arguments |
| 16:42.34 | rocketmagnet | no |
| 16:42.36 | enouf | rocketmagnet: when you enabled ahci in BIOS was it set to that already? |
| 16:42.44 | jelly | liable: 0x220 and 0x320 don't have the same lower 10 bits. but 0x220 and, say, 0x620 do |
| 16:42.46 | enouf | rocketmagnet: lspci -nn would help |
| 16:42.53 | rocketmagnet | k |
| 16:43.05 | jelly | liable: in short, don't use ISA cards :-D |
| 16:43.14 | Seven_Six_Two | it keeps failing with this error: unable to WRITE@LBA=0h |
| 16:43.19 | enouf | Rockj: and is acpi, apic also enabled in the BIOS? |
| 16:43.21 | enouf | e |
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| 16:43.34 | enouf | he left |
| 16:43.40 | enouf | sorry Rockj |
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| 16:44.35 | Seven_Six_Two | I've googled it, and I can't seem to find a reason for it. the only solution, which only worked for 1 person that I've found, is to switch media. I've been using this media for a while though, and it used to work fine. |
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| 16:45.34 | liable | !kill IBM |
| 16:45.47 | grendal_prime | im running rsync on a huge database backup. i keep getting this warning. delta-transmission disabled for local transfer or --whole-file |
| 16:46.04 | liable | stupid fucking bios whitelists is what is making me need to try and understand this shit |
| 16:46.12 | grendal_prime | im assuming that it means it is not only transfering the changes, but the entire file?? |
| 16:46.48 | hoxu | grendal_prime, dunno, perhaps... did you try using the newest version of rsync? |
| 16:47.01 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: right |
| 16:47.07 | grendal_prime | im using the stable version.. |
| 16:47.24 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: is this a local rsync, or over ssh? |
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| 16:48.04 | grendal_prime | \amethyst: local..well they are considerd local i believe because i mount the two locations that im working with. |
| 16:48.17 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: oh, are you using sshfs or something like that? |
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| 16:48.56 | grendal_prime | no, they are located on nas's that only support cifs. So i mount them via smb and to local folders..in the mnt dir.. |
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| 16:49.28 | grendal_prime | problem is they are like..well 1.7 gigs and ..one half that size. |
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| 16:49.45 | grendal_prime | i want to just transfer the differences in the two files. not the entire file |
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| 16:50.30 | hoxu | I guess there ought to be an option in rsync to treat the files as non-local (eg. use remote-delta algo) |
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| 16:51.43 | rocketmagnet | enouf: re, i get a big list, and many "Intel Corporation Unkown Device" things |
| 16:51.47 | grendal_prime | like a force delta option |
| 16:51.52 | rocketmagnet | and dmesg shows me an ACPI Exception |
| 16:52.11 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: it's a bit of a kludge, but what if you rsync to localhost: ? |
| 16:52.19 | rocketmagnet | the Ethernet / ISA Bridge / Usb Controller / Host Bridge has "Unkown Device" with Intel |
| 16:52.29 | hoxu | \amethyst, do you have any ideas how to force the opposite of --whole-file? |
| 16:52.49 | rocketmagnet | the IDE/SATA controller seems to be found with AHCI |
| 16:52.51 | \amethyst | hoxu: I was looking through the man and didn't see anything.... hence my suggestion to rsync to localhost: |
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| 16:53.28 | hoxu | \amethyst, right, missed that line :} |
| 16:54.50 | grendal_prime | \amethyst: what do you mean..the boxes its comming from cannot run rsync. we have no control over the os on those machiens..they are appliances |
| 16:55.04 | rocketmagnet | enouf: ? |
| 16:55.07 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: I mean, on the machine that has the two FSs mounted |
| 16:55.32 | Seven_Six_Two | maybe I should try another distro? Maybe debian just can't get it right |
| 16:55.46 | enouf | rocketmagnet: yes? |
| 16:56.03 | enouf | rocketmagnet: hrm |
| 16:56.04 | rocketmagnet | it seems like it's a common problem: http://lists-archives.org/debian-user/3481799-asus-p5k-se-debian-etch.html |
| 16:56.25 | DustyDingo | hi, when i run X with fglrx drivers i only get an resolution of 1280 tho my screen needs 1400 |
| 16:56.26 | hoxu | grendal_prime, you need to trick rsync into believing that either source or destination is not localhost, thus the suggestion by \amethyst :) |
| 16:56.53 | rocketmagnet | enouf: they mean i should install it from hand (compile it with additional settings) |
| 16:56.54 | DustyDingo | the configuration file hasn't changed and it worked before an update |
| 16:57.07 | enouf | rocketmagnet: i can maybe suggest try this installer then, once you're sure, your are NOT plugged into anything other than the Intel ICH9 - also go through your mobo manual and it's settings |
| 16:57.08 | hoxu | Seven_Six_Two, how about describing your problem in a concise manner? |
| 16:57.11 | enouf | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 16:57.14 | enouf | rocketmagnet: ^^^^ |
| 16:57.16 | grendal_prime | here is the schema. machine a mounts dir from machine b to machine_a:/mnt/folder_b then it mounts dir from machine c to machine_a:/mnt/folder_c I want to sync the folder_b and folder_c |
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| 16:57.58 | Seven_Six_Two | hoxu, I thought I had. When I try to burn a dvd, from any program or from the command line, it gives me this error: unable to WRITE@LBA=0h |
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| 16:58.02 | rocketmagnet | enouf: which one should i try ? |
| 16:58.11 | enouf | rocketmagnet: the many Unknown Devices, can be easily fixed with an update-pciids |
| 16:58.14 | Seven_Six_Two | it doesn't matter if it's an iso, data dvd, video dvd |
| 16:58.16 | enouf | and update-usbids |
| 16:58.16 | grendal_prime | hoxu: how would i trick it into thinking its not on the local host? alias maybe? |
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| 16:58.27 | DustyDingo | and when i try to run vesa drivers i get the right resolution but X crashes (tho one terminal is shown and when that one is closed,..) i get a display doens't support DRI error |
| 16:58.28 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
| 16:58.30 | DustyDingo | any hints? |
| 16:58.33 | themill | liable: hex can represent anything, doesn't have to be bits. They're just numbers. In C, it's usually used for bitmasks so it is bits, but here, I'm pretty sure it's talking about the number of bytes. (It says that the IO window is normally 20h which is 32 bytes which is right for most peripherals). And yes, leading 0s are stripped in the same way they are in decimal representation. |
| 16:58.36 | rocketmagnet | so first update-pciids and then just update-usbids ? |
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| 16:58.49 | grendal_prime | or the ip address? |
| 16:58.57 | enouf | rocketmagnet: well, sure, i guess your Livecd isn't updated enough, so .. |
| 16:59.24 | liable | themill: hrm, this is bios stuffs, so I am pretty sure its bits (its assembly, not c) |
| 16:59.25 | hoxu | \amethyst, grendal_prime: is there any trick for rsync & localhost that does not mean you have to connect through ssh or something? |
| 16:59.26 | rocketmagnet | enouf: i've downloaded it from the debian server yesterday (etch rc2) |
| 16:59.39 | enouf | rocketmagnet: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2623-etch.htm |
| 16:59.39 | amphibian | do the nameserver entries in /etc/resolv.conf get tried with TCP or only with UDP? is there any way to override this? I have no UDP but I have working TCP, because of ISP problems... is there any way to tunnel DNS over ssh? |
| 16:59.42 | Seven_Six_Two | I've tried different speeds, no change. and I've burned dvds with this drive in debian in the past with the dame media |
| 16:59.58 | themill | liable: doesn't matter... they're just numbers. And address windows are normally measured in bytes not bits. |
| 17:00.01 | enouf | rocketmagnet: yes, but Etch is "frozen" so to speak |
| 17:00.11 | rocketmagnet | oh |
| 17:00.15 | screamingbytes | DustyDingo: have you removed DRI from your xorg.conf? |
| 17:00.22 | Seven_Six_Two | same media. The only thing that's changed on this computer is the software (I've done updates) |
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| 17:00.52 | hoxu | grendal_prime, well, if nothing better is figured out, assuming you have ssh, you could create a new passwordless ssh key and add it to authorized keys of the same user, that way you'll rsync through ssh to localhost without needing to enter password |
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| 17:01.13 | liable | themill: cool, got a link that explains this for me? |
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| 17:01.22 | rocketmagnet | enouf: the file is only ~150mb, that's normal ? |
| 17:01.24 | DustyDingo | screamingbytes: i don't import anything like that |
| 17:01.35 | karrotx_ | could anyone tell me how to change the webalizer title? I've used ReportTitle, and -t neither of these changes the title |
| 17:01.41 | enouf | rocketmagnet: netinstall, yes |
| 17:01.54 | rocketmagnet | ok |
| 17:02.01 | hoxu | grendal_prime, disregard that, use --no-whole-file |
| 17:02.03 | rocketmagnet | also just burn onto cd and boot ? |
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| 17:02.06 | DustyDingo | screamingbytes: do i have to exclude it explicity |
| 17:02.09 | Seven_Six_Two | I've googled the error, and can't find a solution, except that one person got it working by switching media. Why would I have to use different media than I've used in the past with the same drive and os? |
| 17:02.15 | enouf | rocketmagnet: you might want to read that page - your Mobo is mentioned often |
| 17:02.26 | rocketmagnet | Mobo ? |
| 17:02.27 | hoxu | grendal_prime, \amethyst: the manual page of rsync mentions generic --no-OPTION switch |
| 17:02.28 | enouf | rocketmagnet: yes |
| 17:02.30 | Seven_Six_Two | the drive burns cd's without a problem |
| 17:02.38 | enouf | rocketmagnet: mobo == motherboard |
| 17:02.45 | rocketmagnet | oh |
| 17:02.47 | enouf | rocketmagnet: mobo == MOtherBOard |
| 17:02.53 | \amethyst | hoxu: aha |
| 17:03.03 | enouf | get with the gojo, mr mojo :-P |
| 17:03.25 | rocketmagnet | do i also get updates then ? or should i just try it with sarge ? maybe sarge has what i need ? |
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| 17:03.52 | enouf | Seven_Six_Two: Cake boxes of blanks can contain certain bad individuai media blanks |
| 17:04.04 | screamingbytes | DustyDingo: DustyDingo: no, u shouldn't need to explicitly exclude it, but just make sure its not in the modules section in xorg.conf |
| 17:04.06 | Seven_Six_Two | enouf, I |
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| 17:04.24 | enouf | rocketmagnet: no, Sarge is even older |
| 17:04.31 | Seven_Six_Two | enouf, I know. I've tried multiple discs. should I assume that all 100 are bad? |
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| 17:04.46 | enouf | Seven_Six_Two: it's possible, though unlikely |
| 17:04.51 | rocketmagnet | enouf: what's the newest debian build ? |
| 17:04.53 | hoxu | !tell rocketmagnet about release history |
| 17:05.04 | Seven_Six_Two | and the failure doesn't write anything to the disc at all. it's still recognized as a blank |
| 17:05.07 | abrotman | DustyDingo: comment out the DRI section at the bottom of the xorg.conf |
| 17:05.25 | rocketmagnet | hoxu: ty ! |
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| 17:05.34 | DustyDingo | screamingbytes: its a bit strange, i only get this one error, which is displayed while X is running stable (one terminal with ssh-add). after proceeding with starting fluxbox it crashes at some point |
| 17:05.43 | DustyDingo | abrotman: i haven't a dri section |
| 17:05.50 | enouf | Seven_Six_Two: your OPC settings - might have gotten borked at some point |
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| 17:05.52 | hoxu | rocketmagnet, feel free to hug dpkg :) |
| 17:05.56 | enouf | Seven_Six_Two: http://club.cdfreaks.com/f33/running-optimum-power-control-beta-70862/ |
| 17:05.56 | screamingbytes | DustyDingo: hmm |
| 17:06.08 | abrotman | DustyDingo: paste your xorg.conf and your Xorg.0.log somewhere |
| 17:06.17 | grendal_prime | ya i try that, and it still gives me the same warning |
| 17:06.30 | Seven_Six_Two | enouf, reading.... |
| 17:06.33 | enouf | inspect blanks with -atip, -prcap, dvd-+rw-mediainfo etc |
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| 17:07.02 | ManuP | which package contains mkfs.vfat? |
| 17:07.05 | enouf | Seven_Six_Two: 1st two are wodim options, wodim -help, or --help |
| 17:07.27 | enouf | the latter is part of the dvd+rw-tools pkg |
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| 17:07.43 | enouf | ManuP: mtools? oh , dosfstools |
| 17:07.44 | DustyDingo | tho my real problem is as i said before that, i don't get the right resolution with fglrx drivers, tho vesa is just a workaround, which doesn't work either |
| 17:07.47 | themill | liable: horrible ppt... but has some details: http://calab.kaist.ac.kr/~hyoon/courses/cs310_2001fall/micro16.ppt |
| 17:07.56 | enouf | ManuP: yeah, dosfstools IIRC |
| 17:08.18 | enouf | $ dlocate mkfs.vfat |
| 17:08.18 | enouf | dosfstools: /sbin/mkfs.vfat |
| 17:08.24 | liable | themill: horrible is ok, as long as it makes sense :) |
| 17:08.27 | ManuP | enouf, thanks. |
| 17:08.32 | enouf | w00h00 for dlocate ;-) |
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| 17:09.01 | liable | holy shit, 10MB ppt! |
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| 17:09.39 | Seven_Six_Two | sorry, my x server just restarted on it's own...dammitalltohell |
| 17:09.41 | themill | liable: and ugly as sin |
| 17:10.00 | enouf | Seven_Six_Two: more info (general) http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=1396277 |
| 17:10.04 | hoxu | liable, you should commend them for their file format obfuscation efforts :p |
| 17:10.26 | liable | yay, oo crased on it :( |
| 17:10.49 | themill | liable: http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:unxXrKxPGpQJ:calab.kaist.ac.kr/~hyoon/courses/cs310_2001fall/micro16.ppt+base+i/o+address+byte&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=17&client=iceweasel-a |
| 17:11.00 | themill | liable: google ppt to html ^^ |
| 17:12.17 | themill | liable: http://webpages.charter.net/dperr/irq_io.htm |
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| 17:12.40 | abrotman | screamingbytes: do NOT msg me |
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| 17:12.45 | themill | liable: ^^ is probably a better reference for you |
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| 17:13.26 | liable | themill: ya, got that, ta. |
| 17:13.34 | themill | }MatriX{: please don't msg me |
| 17:13.42 | screamingbytes | sry abrotman :( just laughing at your msg to me |
| 17:14.13 | hoxu | !msg |
| 17:14.13 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
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| 17:14.24 | enouf | abrotman: man, over the holidays, and into the new year with a bang, eh? (no less than 5 people i never heard of started PM'ing me like yesterday alone O.o) |
| 17:14.33 | themill | liable: no worries. Now if you'll just step this way and quickly do this fourier transform for me... |
| 17:14.34 | blackmagic | hi I installed debian before with etch ....... and it detected my hd (sata) |
| 17:14.43 | blackmagic | all of a sudden its not detecting the hd |
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| 17:14.56 | hoxu | enouf, no one msgs me, ever :( |
| 17:14.57 | blackmagic | do I need to take the cmos battery out of mobo and reset it or something ? |
| 17:15.00 | blackmagic | really strange |
| 17:15.03 | screamingbytes | abrotman: yes i know the rules, i only msg'd u after your msg to me, it wasn't a q, it was a response. I apologize. |
| 17:15.06 | enouf | abrotman: hence; the need for my b0z0 box ;-) |
| 17:15.09 | liable | enouf: must be nice to be popular |
| 17:15.14 | blackmagic | I am doing a new install |
| 17:15.18 | enouf | hoxu: be thankful |
| 17:15.21 | Seven_Six_Two | enouf, sorry. I wanted to read all the info you left for me, but my x server caught sig 11 |
| 17:15.27 | liable | themill: wtf is fourier |
| 17:15.42 | Seven_Six_Two | can you please repost the first link on iopc? |
| 17:15.47 | hoxu | blackmagic, exactly same installer? |
| 17:15.48 | tralala | I've solved the msg problem globally - /ignore * MSGS |
| 17:15.50 | enouf | liable: yeah, like a barnacle on the underside of a ship is popular O.o |
| 17:15.51 | themill | liable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_transform |
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| 17:16.52 | tralala | hoxu, ouch... |
| 17:17.27 | hoxu | tralala :} |
| 17:17.35 | liable | themill: sure x=mybottom(x)^2 your face :) |
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| 17:17.51 | screamingbytes | DustyDingo: have u tried loading DRI and adding the DRI section at the bottom of your xorg? or you've never had DRI in your xorg? |
| 17:17.52 | liable | is that a fourier transformation? |
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| 17:18.03 | themill | liable: not the one I was hoping for ;( |
| 17:18.12 | hoxu | tralala, I'm not a god, I only read the RFCs... :\ |
| 17:18.13 | liable | themill: jokes aside, that looks nasty |
| 17:18.37 | DustyDingo | screamingbytes: i have never had |
| 17:18.41 | tralala | hoxu, I didn't realize there was a difference... |
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| 17:19.04 | liable | themill: are you a mathematician ? |
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| 17:19.16 | themill | liable: physical/theoretical chemist |
| 17:19.36 | screamingbytes | DustyDingo: i missed your vid card, what card are u using? |
| 17:19.46 | hoxu | tralala, well, ignoring all MSGS seems a bit evil tbh, you could use user mode +E, that weeds out most garbage :P |
| 17:19.48 | liable | themill: you win many geek points! |
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| 17:20.34 | yesi | hi |
| 17:21.03 | deepak | can anyone help me how i could use windows application in debian |
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| 17:21.17 | liable | themill: i hope you get payed lots to try and understand that shit ;) |
| 17:21.17 | tralala | hoxu, I do have a few exceptions (mainly for bots). +e wasn't enough for me. I like my peace |
| 17:21.29 | themill | liable: usually, but not always |
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| 17:22.00 | enouf | tralala: i do occassionally receive PMs from those i do know - that's the issue - i have to create a whitelist and blacklist all others :-( |
| 17:22.20 | tralala | enouf, that's exactly what I'm doing |
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| 17:22.33 | liable | aww |
| 17:22.37 | yesi | i have a quad-core xeon, i download "ia64" CD to install by networking but i can't boot from the CDrom. which would be the problem? |
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| 17:22.49 | enouf | no no no |
| 17:22.51 | liable | i dont get any annoying private messages anymore |
| 17:22.55 | tralala | my whitelist is pretty short |
| 17:22.58 | enouf | !tell yesi about ia64 |
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| 17:23.05 | hoxu | tralala, "tralala"? |
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| 17:23.34 | enouf | yesi: you want Either i386 (32bit) or amd64 (64bit) arch |
| 17:23.38 | liable | maths is crazy |
| 17:23.42 | kolcori | If I use webdav will the passwort be transferred in cleartext as with ftp? Or is webdav more secure? |
| 17:24.04 | tralala | hoxu, indeed - intelligent coversation is always appreciated ;) |
| 17:24.10 | themill | kolcori: if you use webdav over ssl then it's fine. Otherwise it's just like ftp or telnet. |
| 17:24.37 | Seven_Six_Two | i can't even find what the correct letters are...oipc? opic? iopc? pico? |
| 17:24.44 | yesi | enouf: thank you a lot |
| 17:24.56 | tralala | liable, science is mad, though occasionaly useful |
| 17:25.03 | enouf | yesi: sure - also do "/msg dpkg amd64" |
| 17:25.04 | yesi | i was not sur about amd64 and ia64 |
| 17:25.10 | \amethyst | Seven_Six_Two: correct letters for what? |
| 17:25.14 | kolcori | themill: damn :) |
| 17:25.24 | liable | tralala: i like reading about it, certainly not smart enough to do it :) |
| 17:25.26 | kolcori | themill: so whats the advantage of it? =) |
| 17:25.29 | themill | kolcori: wedavs is fine ;) |
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| 17:25.42 | \amethyst | yesi: are you planning on using Flash or Java browser plugins? |
| 17:25.59 | Seven_Six_Two | info that I was given to try to figure out why I can't burn dvds. info was posted by enouf, but my xserver sig11'd |
| 17:26.04 | kolcori | themill: would you prefer it over ftp? why? |
| 17:26.14 | Seven_Six_Two | something about laser strength |
| 17:26.23 | enouf | Seven_Six_Two: my thoughts about OPC are a hunch only - there could very well be other issues, semi-related, or non-related - liike Drive Speed settings and such |
| 17:26.25 | themill | kolcori: it's designed for more interactive uses not just transfer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV |
| 17:26.28 | tralala | liable, I like watching mythbusters and braniac :) |
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| 17:26.39 | liable | hah |
| 17:26.56 | tralala | applicable science :D |
| 17:27.08 | enouf | Seven_Six_Two: oh, here; http://club.cdfreaks.com/f33/running-optimum-power-control-beta-70862/ and http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=1396277 |
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| 17:27.16 | \amethyst | kolcori: HTTP is much easier to get through proxies and firewall than FTP is---that's one major advantage |
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| 17:27.30 | liable | blowing shit up is my kind of science;) |
| 17:27.32 | \amethyst | kolcori: I suspect most of us use scp or sftp for our file transfer |
| 17:27.34 | enouf | Seven_Six_Two: i missed your message about missing mine ;-) |
| 17:27.42 | Seven_Six_Two | oh it was opc..well it's worth looking into. I've tried every speed setting. I can't even get it to start burning. my hd light and my dvd light flash in sync for a while, then it fails with unable to WRITE@LBA=0h |
| 17:28.13 | tralala | liable, nah, you can't fool me - you're scared to even apply a hammer to a bios |
| 17:28.16 | Seven_Six_Two | thanks enouf I bookmarked it this time... |
| 17:28.20 | yesi | \amethyst: no, it will be a server... |
| 17:28.26 | enouf | !win Seven_Six_Two |
| 17:28.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, Seven_Six_Two! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 17:28.35 | enouf | ;-) |
| 17:28.38 | Seven_Six_Two | lol |
| 17:28.44 | liable | tralala: i like to blow shit up, just not my expensive laptop :P |
| 17:28.49 | \amethyst | yesi: then you probably want to go with amd64... for server workloads it is often faster than i386 |
| 17:29.07 | tralala | liable, do you really need to hack your bios? |
| 17:29.19 | screamingbytes | DustyDingo: i may have found something |
| 17:29.22 | liable | though i have a feeling i am going to brick it in the not to distant future |
| 17:29.45 | liable | tralala: really? no. but i am going to anyway :) |
| 17:29.53 | tralala | hehe |
| 17:29.56 | yesi | \amethyst: oki. thank you |
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| 17:30.14 | tralala | to do what? pump up your cpu to quad-core 128bit? |
| 17:30.25 | yesi | \amethyst: i was plan to use Xen with the server... |
| 17:30.33 | liable | tralala: bios whitelist for a hsdpa card |
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| 17:30.42 | screamingbytes | DustyDingo: this is gonna suck :) but ... http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&questionID=28261 |
| 17:31.00 | enouf | Seven_Six_Two: does wodim -prcap dev=/dev/hdX produce funky info? |
| 17:31.16 | screamingbytes | DustyDingo: specific to ati cards and using VESA drivers |
| 17:31.18 | tralala | liable, eh? does your bios blacklist hardware?! |
| 17:31.21 | liable | tralala: theres hacks for old stinkpads and wireless cards, no one has hacked it for the newer ones |
| 17:31.30 | liable | tralala: indeed :( |
| 17:31.34 | tralala | ouch |
| 17:32.00 | enouf | Seven_Six_Two: also, try -atip with a blank inserted, and dvd+rw-mediainfo ... i wonder what'll happen if you try to blank it - is that a DVD-RAM capable drive? did you flash the firmware? |
| 17:32.05 | tralala | liable, which brand, just in case I decide to buy another laptop? |
| 17:32.09 | \amethyst | yesi: I haven't used Xen myself, but I seem to recall that the guest kernel must run at the same 'bitness' as the host |
| 17:32.18 | liable | tralala: stinkpad or HP |
| 17:32.26 | tralala | same bios? |
| 17:32.41 | \amethyst | yesi: that is, 64-bit guest and host, or 32-bit guest and host, but not 32-bit guest and 64-bit host or vice versa |
| 17:32.47 | liable | well, both phoenix, but its the oem that fucks the bios |
| 17:32.50 | SamuraiDio | do i need an oss device? |
| 17:33.01 | enouf | Seven_Six_Two: IINM, -RAM tries to use packet-writing in 512bytes as opposed to the standard 2048byte blocks that ISOs use |
| 17:33.15 | \amethyst | yesi: though I would guess that applies to the kernel and not userspace |
| 17:33.43 | tralala | liable, any links? |
| 17:33.52 | enouf | liable: which laptop? |
| 17:33.59 | liable | tralala: been doing it for years.. http://www.paul.sladen.org/thinkpad-r31/wifi-card-pci-ids.html |
| 17:35.06 | cahoot | SamuraiDio: as in sound - probably - never hurts |
| 17:35.07 | \amethyst | yesi: actually, doing some reading that seems to apply to paravirtualization---with full hardware virtualization you can apparently do 32-bit guest in 64-bit host (but not vice versa): http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2007-04/msg00125.html |
| 17:35.14 | liable | sucks cause stinkpads are such nice laptops, but fucked if i will give them money for another one |
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| 17:36.04 | wald0 | what's the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap ? |
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| 17:36.10 | liable | tralala: they have extended this check to WWAN cards |
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| 17:36.31 | tralala | liable, stinky... |
| 17:36.39 | liable | indeed |
| 17:36.53 | Seven_Six_Two | enouf, thanks for the info. My computer just froze... no alt-ctrl-bksp, no alt-sysrq |
| 17:37.02 | tralala | they have the best linux support indeed, but that is crossing the fine line |
| 17:37.07 | liable | but, where there's a will, theres a way :) |
| 17:37.10 | PiousMinion | when building a debian kernel from source from apt.. do I even need to go into make menuconfig or are the options for debian already set? |
| 17:37.20 | wald0 | debootstrap VS cdebootstrap |
| 17:37.22 | tralala | anyhow they've been doomed the moment lenovo took over |
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| 17:37.30 | yesi | \amethyst: ok. thank you for your precisions |
| 17:37.30 | Seven_Six_Two | I'm going to try a pinned downgrade to stable, and if it fails, I'm going to install ubuntu |
| 17:38.15 | Seven_Six_Two | it's too bad. I've used debian for years... |
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| 17:38.30 | SamuraiDio | cahoot, on my laptop i have a intel hda sound card, i have successfull installed the alsa driver, but on my system i have also an oss realtek device, with share the master channel with the alsa one. also, i'm using a java app (TuxGuitar) that seens to use the oss mixer, so icant run it and play sonds from other apps at same time. and my multimedia keys cant change the alsa device master channel. weird... |
| 17:38.34 | yesi | \amethyst: i already tried Xen on i386 but never on amd64 |
| 17:38.44 | SamuraiDio | think i typed to much |
| 17:38.47 | wald0 | Seven_Six_Two: whats your problem with debian ? |
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| 17:39.03 | liable | Seven_Six_Two: so just install ubunt, cause downgrades dont generally work |
| 17:39.05 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: if you use make-kpkg to build it will use a Debian .config |
| 17:39.10 | cahoot | SamuraiDio: using aoss doesn't help? |
| 17:39.16 | PiousMinion | \amethyst: thanks |
| 17:39.27 | enouf | Seven_Six_Two: your computer freezing could be many issues, sort that out, make sure it's not heat or psu related |
| 17:39.44 | wald0 | Seven_Six_Two: RAM ! |
| 17:39.47 | enouf | Seven_Six_Two: and it might be what's affecting your non-abilty to burn |
| 17:39.50 | Seven_Six_Two | well for starters, I can't burn dvd's, and now after an update today, x crashed, and then after restarting it froze |
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| 17:39.57 | wald0 | liable: how is suposed that we can downgrade ? |
| 17:40.01 | liable | Seven_Six_Two: dont blame debian because you cant downgrade. you sure as hell couldnt do it with ubuntu either |
| 17:40.04 | enouf | check RAM too obviously |
| 17:40.04 | SamuraiDio | cahoot, dont know what this is... |
| 17:40.15 | liable | wald0: you dont |
| 17:40.20 | wald0 | heh |
| 17:40.23 | enouf | update ? Seven_Six_Two |
| 17:40.24 | wald0 | liable: do you know debootstrap ? |
| 17:40.27 | enouf | or upgrade? |
| 17:40.28 | SamuraiDio | cahoot, i'll google |
| 17:40.30 | Seven_Six_Two | liable, I didn't say I can't downgrade. I've done it before successfully |
| 17:40.35 | wald0 | Seven_Six_Two: i point 5 $ for your RAM :P |
| 17:40.39 | tralala | Seven_Six_Two, now you know why only the stable branch is called... um, "stable" |
| 17:40.53 | \amethyst | SamuraiDio: aoss programname |
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| 17:41.05 | Seven_Six_Two | tralala, I know. that's why I'm going to try a downgrade first |
| 17:41.07 | liable | Seven_Six_Two: thats highly dependant on how different your current install is to the one your downgrading to |
| 17:41.28 | wald0 | debootstrap VS cdebootstrap |
| 17:41.28 | enouf | i guess he upGRADED |
| 17:41.34 | liable | Seven_Six_Two: blame libc6, thats the usual killer |
| 17:41.38 | Seven_Six_Two | and it only crashed and froze after this update. it hasn't in years |
| 17:41.45 | \amethyst | SamuraiDio: it's in the "alsa-oss" package---it runs a program, but intercepts OSS system calls etc and turns them into the ALSA equivalents |
| 17:41.55 | wald0 | the problem of Seven_Six_Two is the mixed repos lol |
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| 17:42.06 | liable | Seven_Six_Two: anyway, dont think threatining to use ubuntu in this channel will get you more help than you deserve |
| 17:42.07 | enouf | SamuraiDio: alsautils is also something to install |
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| 17:42.39 | jones_mccoy | i'm trying to add a startup script using start-stop-daemon but this line keeps telling me "Guestd is already running, exiting" |
| 17:42.40 | Seven_Six_Two | liable, did you take that as a threat? lol. I want to stay with debian... |
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| 17:42.41 | cahoot | alsa-utils |
| 17:42.52 | enouf | !cahoot++ |
| 17:42.55 | SamuraiDio | tnx people, i'll try to use when i get back home |
| 17:43.00 | Seven_Six_Two | wald0, that's true. I do have mixed repos... |
| 17:43.17 | enouf | i'd need to check .. so SamuraiDio it's "alsa-utils" |
| 17:43.20 | jones_mccoy | start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile $PIDFILE --name $NAME --startas /usr/sbin/vmware-guestd -- --background $PIDFILE |
| 17:43.27 | tralala | When I hear a sid user telling that sid was working find for years I get this picture in my head of a guy who says "I've been playing russian roulette for years, and it was only yesterday I blew my head away" |
| 17:43.28 | grendal_prime | ok the --no-whole-file seems to be working |
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| 17:43.30 | grendal_prime | thanks guys |
| 17:43.35 | grendal_prime | i dont know how i missed that |
| 17:43.39 | tralala | s/find/fine/ |
| 17:43.45 | themill | tralala: good call |
| 17:43.48 | Seven_Six_Two | and I'm on lenny |
| 17:43.53 | jones_mccoy | there's no vmware-guestd already running and no pid file there, why would start-stop-daemon fail? and further it says "Guestd" is already running, when i'm trying to run vmware-guestd |
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| 17:44.16 | hoxu | tralala, it has worked fine for me for years. I'm very good at forgetting the bad times and redefining fine :) |
| 17:44.24 | liable | tralala: and that user will tell everyone in the channel to use sid cuase 'it hasnt broken for me in years' |
| 17:44.45 | suppaman | hello again |
| 17:44.50 | jones_mccoy | the problem looks related to the fact that the init script is called vmware-guestd too, but since i specify PID file, why is start-stop-daemon looking for a process with the same name when it should be checking pidfiles? |
| 17:45.00 | liable | and then we get told off for larting him.. :( |
| 17:45.03 | enouf | Seven_Six_Two: thanks for being upfront and forthcoming and telling us "but it worked fine prior to my Upgrade .." rofl |
| 17:45.04 | tralala | hoxu, hehe :) |
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| 17:45.27 | tralala | Seven_Six_Two, you realize testing is nothing but a little outdated unstable, right? |
| 17:45.42 | Seven_Six_Two | tralala, yes, I know that. |
| 17:45.49 | enouf | but it's all good info about various things nonetheless - so soak it up i suppose |
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| 17:46.08 | enouf | !break Seven_Six_Two |
| 17:46.11 | enouf | :-p |
| 17:46.11 | suppaman | msan: still there ? |
| 17:46.25 | wald0 | Seven_Six_Two: then that's teh reason of your unstability :P install a new debian system with only the default debian repository line, maybe also debian-multimedia one, but no more... no unnoficial debian repositories, and of course don't mix debian branches in teh repositories, and remember that is NOT possible to downgrade |
| 17:46.29 | Seven_Six_Two | and I've been lucky enough to not have any major issues until this update |
| 17:46.39 | suppaman | msan: I decided to add sdn repo and use apt-get source to get and build the package |
| 17:46.39 | enouf | upGRADE!!! .. ugh |
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| 17:46.45 | tralala | Seven_Six_Two, your luck just slipped |
| 17:46.50 | enouf | !!! |
| 17:46.50 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 17:46.52 | wald0 | if you think that downgrade is just rename your sources.list thats wrong... you can't downgrade the version of your installed packages |
| 17:46.58 | tralala | !!!! |
| 17:46.59 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 17:47.06 | enouf | heh |
| 17:47.10 | DustyDingo | any idears, why i won't get full resolution (only 1280) http://pastebin.com/d25c68221 ? |
| 17:47.13 | liable | i actually wish sid had some serious breakage more often |
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| 17:47.20 | enouf | tralala: i'm borderline O.o |
| 17:47.21 | hoxu | !rack liable |
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| 17:47.30 | wald0 | debootstrap VS cdebootstrap ? |
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| 17:47.32 | Seven_Six_Two | wald0, how do you explain my success in doing a pinned downgrade previously? I know it might not work, but that doesn't mean it can't, unless something has changed that I'm not aware of |
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| 17:48.10 | tralala | Seven_Six_Two, it might work. Just as sid might work. |
| 17:48.14 | liable | Seven_Six_Two: as i mentioned, its highly dependant on how different things were at the time |
| 17:48.17 | DustyDingo | Seven_Six_Two: i also downgraded, but maybe problems happen later,... |
| 17:48.17 | wald0 | Seven_Six_Two: "its not possible", just this... maybe if you remove ALL your packages, and install these again from the downgraded repositories, but that's absolutely impossible |
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| 17:48.29 | wald0 | DustyDingo: ^^ |
| 17:48.46 | liable | Seven_Six_Two: its so much easier to back up your /etc and just reinstall |
| 17:49.07 | DustyDingo | liable: but we can! |
| 17:49.19 | liable | can what? |
| 17:49.20 | Seven_Six_Two | liable, that's true...but where's the pain in that? lol |
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| 17:49.29 | tralala | and /var, and /usr/local and... well whatever else is needed |
| 17:49.35 | TheInfinity | anyone has experience with zimbra on debian 64bit? |
| 17:49.40 | wald0 | DustyDingo: how ? tell me the steps |
| 17:49.57 | liable | tralala: debian people dont have a /usr/local |
| 17:50.02 | liable | !beat tralala |
| 17:50.24 | simonrvn | we don't? |
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| 17:50.28 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 17:50.49 | \amethyst | wald0: apt-get install package=version then hope nothing breaks |
| 17:50.49 | tralala | liable, I have custom scripts in /usr/local/bin. They could just as well be in ~/bin but I'm forward thinking :) |
| 17:50.50 | wald0 | Seven_Six_Two: what's your steps to downgrade ? |
| 17:50.53 | hoxu | liable, one day you'll be held liable for your obnoxious statements ! |
| 17:51.04 | jelly | liable: sure they do! |
| 17:51.33 | DustyDingo | wald0: i won't recomend it at all, you have to remove lots of packages and have to force some installation and deinstallation of packages |
| 17:51.35 | liable | bah, all you zealots that preach debian now come out with /usr/loca! |
| 17:51.38 | wald0 | \amethyst: for i in `dpkg -l | egrep ^ii... ? |
| 17:51.43 | liable | i am discusted! |
| 17:51.44 | Seven_Six_Two | wald0, at the moment, I don't remember. but not knowing doesn't make something impossible. I found the info on how to do it on the debian site before |
| 17:51.45 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.46 | jelly | base-files: /usr/local :-D |
| 17:51.58 | enouf | no /usr/local, eh? |
| 17:52.12 | jelly | (ok, I'm lying a bit there, dpkg -S is rather slow here) |
| 17:52.12 | \amethyst | wald0: oh, downgrading everything is certain to break lots of things :) |
| 17:52.34 | \amethyst | right, it's highly unrecommended |
| 17:52.35 | Maulkin | !downgrade |
| 17:52.35 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 17:52.56 | wald0 | \amethyst: if somebody wants to go from "unstable" to a "stable" debian... seems like he wants to downgrade ALL |
| 17:53.06 | wald0 | but aparently he switch to experimental, instead of stable LOL |
| 17:53.07 | jelly | hmm.... I actually have a package from non-free that has /usr/local |
| 17:53.16 | \amethyst | jelly: what package? |
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| 17:53.22 | jelly | \amethyst: inform |
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| 17:53.23 | Seven_Six_Two | \amethyst, that I'll agree with. I think I remember it saying it's not recommended |
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| 17:53.35 | hoxu | !unstable->stable |
| 17:53.35 | dpkg | unstable->stable are you smoking crack? |
| 17:53.35 | Maulkin | It *may* be possible if you very carefully do it, and libc6 hasn't been upgraded... but as soon as you get the new libc6, you're not going back |
| 17:53.38 | wald0 | jelly: is not a debian official package |
| 17:53.44 | wald0 | LAMO dpkg |
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| 17:53.50 | DustyDingo | i also downgraded from unstable to testing,... i assume that downgrading to stable is much more likely to fail |
| 17:53.56 | jelly | wald0: nss, I just said it's from non-free |
| 17:54.16 | wald0 | dpkg: you king |
| 17:54.16 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 17:54.22 | onur | Hi. My debian doesn't see any blank discs. I am using testing. Do you have any idea? |
| 17:54.28 | Maulkin | wald0: non-free still shoudn't put stuff in /usr/local/ |
| 17:54.48 | Seven_Six_Two | I don't know about the libc6...I suppose I should just reinstall etch... |
| 17:54.50 | wald0 | Maulkin: not refer that to me |
| 17:54.53 | tralala | jelly, it is not |
| 17:54.58 | wald0 | Seven_Six_Two: dpkg --get-selections |
| 17:55.03 | wald0 | r00lz |
| 17:55.17 | Maulkin | er... yeah. |
| 17:55.58 | \amethyst | jelly: hm, it's directories not files, but that's still unfortunate |
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| 17:56.10 | Seven_Six_Two | I think when I did it I was going from etch to sarge. not everything worked perfectly, but I could fix everything that I needed |
| 17:56.23 | liable | you will have dirs in /usr/local, not files |
| 17:56.35 | liable | unless you are a heathen |
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| 17:56.38 | enouf | all mybuild stuff that incorporate into system goes into /usr/local |
| 17:56.42 | jelly | \amethyst: it looks rather unmaintained, is orphaned and everything |
| 17:57.06 | jelly | !dbugs 446664 <--- pretty number! |
| 17:57.08 | dpkg | error: could not parse 446664 <--- pretty number! |
| 17:57.08 | enouf | echo $PATH ;-) |
| 17:57.13 | Seven_Six_Two | oh well. I'll figure it out. Thanks for the info and all... |
| 17:57.14 | tralala | enouf, build from debian sources |
| 17:57.36 | chops | jelly: http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/inform/filelist seems to indicate that inform does not place anything in /usr/local; does it do it from a script or something? |
| 17:57.40 | enouf | build from whatever |
| 17:58.01 | Seven_Six_Two | I know I'll have to backup etc, but the only partition that will HAVE to be formatted is the /, correct? |
| 17:58.03 | enouf | i've built mplayer from svn, grub2, etc etc |
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| 17:58.10 | enouf | lame even |
| 17:58.22 | Seven_Six_Two | even though I'll redo /etc too? |
| 17:58.23 | tralala | if you build from debian soruces you don't need to place it in /usr/local/ |
| 17:58.42 | tralala | I used to build mplayer and lame too - they build just fine to .debs |
| 17:58.46 | jelly | chops: a script that would mkdir and edit /v/l/d/i/inform.list o.O ? |
| 17:58.54 | enouf | tralala: i know, that wasn't my point, but i guess i'm missing all your guys' points ;-) |
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| 17:59.20 | chops | jelly: What's 'apt-cache policy inform' say? |
| 17:59.20 | enouf | tralala: i don;t need to make .debs, but i do when i want to now |
| 17:59.29 | quackjack | Hi I installed Debian etch on my computer before with same mobo and hd |
| 17:59.40 | quackjack | now it doesnt find the hd, it doesnt find any hds |
| 17:59.42 | quackjack | anyone know ? |
| 17:59.43 | jelly | chops: installed and sid/non-free versions are the same |
| 17:59.47 | enouf | tralala: aka; prior to me knowing HOW to actually make a .deb ;-) |
| 17:59.50 | quackjack | its using a 2.6.17 kernel fairly new |
| 18:00.00 | quackjack | or should I use that kmuto backport ? |
| 18:00.02 | chops | jelly: Can you pastebin 'apt-cache policy inform'? |
| 18:00.05 | DustyDingo | hm, any idears why i can't get a 1400 resolution? http://pastebin.com/d25c68221 http://pastebin.com/d725f5fa8 |
| 18:00.07 | jelly | chops: I can. |
| 18:00.12 | quackjack | is that cd bootable ? |
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| 18:00.48 | enouf | quackjack: 2.6.17? from where? |
| 18:00.49 | \amethyst | jelly, chops: the p.d.o package file lists don't include directories |
| 18:01.09 | \amethyst | that's why inform doesn't show anything in /usr/local there---there are no regular files |
| 18:01.10 | enouf | quackjack: etch is using 2.6.18-x |
| 18:01.26 | quackjack | enouf: the official etch cd |
| 18:01.39 | quackjack | this is happening on two computer neither wants to work |
| 18:01.40 | enouf | quackjack: older one? |
| 18:01.47 | jelly | chops: http://paste.debian.net/46587 |
| 18:02.14 | quackjack | no etch!! I dont know this is really weird |
| 18:02.18 | enouf | quackjack: get a recent one, 4.0r2 is out, see /topic |
| 18:02.53 | enouf | 2.6.17 was in the rc, prior to etch being released as Stable |
| 18:02.53 | jelly | btw, whatever happened to etch + 0.5 having a newer kernel? |
| 18:02.56 | cahoot | DustyDingo: fglrx(0): Virtual size is 1280x1024 (pitch 0) ? |
| 18:03.20 | enouf | i know, i installed Etch from DVD in November 2006 and it has .17 |
| 18:03.35 | chops | \amethyst: Oh, you're right. |
| 18:03.54 | quackjack | enouf: hmmm maybe I have more than one etch CDS!! mislabeled ????? maybe |
| 18:03.54 | chops | jelly: I assumed you had a non-Debian inform... but I see that it does indeed create directories under /usr/local. That's sad, yes. |
| 18:04.13 | chops | quackjack: That is more likely than everyone on Debian being mistaken as to which kernel etch uses :-) |
| 18:04.19 | chops | *everyone on #debian |
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| 18:04.51 | enouf | quackjack: possible - you can browse to ./cdrom/.info file for info maybe |
| 18:04.57 | quackjack | enouf: uname -r show 2.6.17 on the installation cd |
| 18:05.00 | themill | jelly: that inform package doesn't contain anything in /usr/local ... odd |
| 18:05.01 | enouf | somewherer in there |
| 18:05.06 | enouf | yep, old |
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| 18:05.12 | enouf | quackjack: get newer |
| 18:05.45 | enouf | (unless the installation kernel is a smaller, older version, i forget, lol) |
| 18:05.45 | tralala | quackjack, this must be a pre-release cd |
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| 18:06.34 | jelly | themill: nothing but dirs. Oh well, I guess lintian exists for a reason |
| 18:06.40 | netgear | anyone know how i can install from debian dvd's if i dont have a dvd rom drive? |
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| 18:06.46 | enouf | i recall , iinitrd-gtk, or somecrap in the install-386 dir or something.. don't make me dig please |
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| 18:06.53 | Ronin | netgear: heh good luck with taht |
| 18:06.59 | Ronin | netgear: why did you get the dvds then? |
| 18:07.15 | DustyDingo | cahoot: hm, do you know how to fix this? |
| 18:07.23 | netgear | i want to install debian on headless machine to run my pvr |
| 18:07.37 | netgear | i got dvd;s for my notebook |
| 18:07.43 | tralala | netgear, use a dvd-rw drive |
| 18:08.00 | themill | jelly: ahh... i see now.. I had just browsed through the contents not actually extracted it with dpkg-deb. It's a mess. |
| 18:08.09 | cahoot | DustyDingo: not really - but I'd try to disable DDC/EDID - as a test |
| 18:08.11 | SamuraiDio | ahh, but how do i remove my oss device? |
| 18:08.28 | cahoot | SamuraiDio: why? |
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| 18:08.45 | tralala | netgear, do a debootstrap install, and copy it to the headless machine |
| 18:08.55 | enouf | !rube goldberg install |
| 18:08.55 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 18:09.32 | tralala | fiy, the etch installer has: 2.6.18-5-486 (unknown@Debian) #1 Fri Jun 1 00:07:22 UTC 2007 |
| 18:09.38 | enouf | SamuraiDio: perhaps running dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base and selecting alsa will help |
| 18:09.38 | themill | jelly: that's a package just begging to be removed. |
| 18:09.38 | jones_mccoy | i'm having issues with a start-stop-daemon script, which is at http://eldergods.com/vmware-guestd . if i change the name it works but with this name it says the daemon is already running and refuses to start, whcih i wouldnt expect give nthat start-stop-daemon is invoked with --pidfile |
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| 18:09.44 | netgear | tralala: i have a ubuntu disc, what i want to do is install ubuntu then copy the dvd isos via network, but then still how do i install debian from those isos? |
| 18:10.33 | enouf | SamuraiDio: more than likely, esd (gnome) or artsd (kde) are also interfering, if anything is |
| 18:10.38 | tralala | netgear, you can't. Make a debootstrap install on a machine with a dvd drive. Copy the install over to the other machine |
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| 18:10.57 | enouf | !debootstrap |
| 18:10.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 18:10.58 | Ronin | guess you weren't fast enough tralala |
| 18:11.07 | jelly | themill: literally, #446664 |
| 18:11.16 | tralala | Ronin, another happy customer hits the road |
| 18:11.20 | themill | jelly: yes, I saw that. |
| 18:11.22 | SamuraiDio | enouf, sure |
| 18:11.22 | Ronin | tralala: indeed |
| 18:11.39 | SamuraiDio | enouf, as i know ihave no esd running (gnome) |
| 18:12.18 | enouf | SamuraiDio: as root/sudo do; lsof | egrep 'esd|arts' ;-) |
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| 18:12.59 | enouf | SamuraiDio: i persoanlly still have no idea what your specific issue is ... |
| 18:13.04 | jelly | there are other (and more free) inform file interpreters, so no harm done |
| 18:13.18 | xand | !kmuto |
| 18:13.18 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 18:13.25 | SamuraiDio | enouf, i'll make some tests later, tnx |
| 18:13.34 | enouf | ok |
| 18:13.42 | enouf | that's informative O.o |
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| 18:13.58 | SamuraiDio | enouf, i'll ask for your help again later (i know that youre always here :P) |
| 18:14.15 | enouf | SamuraiDio: ahh .. but many times, just squatting :-P |
| 18:14.20 | SamuraiDio | hehe |
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| 18:17.58 | suppaman | !key |
| 18:17.59 | dpkg | from memory, key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
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| 18:18.20 | suppaman | I need a key for sdn is that advice for me too ? |
| 18:18.25 | SamuraiDio | !no public key |
| 18:18.25 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
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| 18:18.33 | enouf | !sdn |
| 18:18.33 | dpkg | from memory, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 18:19.11 | suppaman | that's it, but I can't understand what the answer is |
| 18:19.32 | suppaman | I mean does debian-archive-keyring refer to sdn too ? |
| 18:19.35 | tralala | suppaman, likely yes |
| 18:19.45 | suppaman | why is sdn .net rather than .org ? |
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| 18:19.55 | suppaman | m$ competition ? |
| 18:19.57 | tralala | because it's unofficial |
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| 18:23.51 | abrotman | screamingbytes: i didn't msg you |
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| 18:24.07 | vlt | Hello. I have a machine with a self compiled kernel module. aptitude says "linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 could be upgraded to version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17, but it is being held at version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch5". What does happen when I upgrade? Will the kernel module still work? |
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| 18:25.57 | tralala | vlt, so far security fixes haven't broken my custom modules. That said your millage my vary. |
| 18:26.02 | tralala | may |
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| 18:31.14 | ajitam | if I want to run ddclient on startup is it ok if I just put "sudo ddclient start" in rc.local |
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| 18:31.40 | hoxu | ajitam, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:31.45 | hoxu | ehh |
| 18:31.47 | hoxu | sorry, misread |
| 18:31.49 | vlt | tralala: How can I return to the current version if the module fails? It's an update for the very same kernel version, so there'll be no additional grub entry in menu.lst, right? |
| 18:32.09 | hoxu | ajitam, I'm assuming you use the ddclient package? |
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| 18:32.18 | ajitam | jp |
| 18:32.22 | ajitam | yes |
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| 18:32.47 | tralala | interfaces is quite appropriate actually |
| 18:32.50 | MrKeuner | hi, is it possible to disable gnome password dialog to appear when I try to connect to a password protected wireless access point? |
| 18:32.50 | hoxu | ajitam, I'm pretty sure it comes with a cron script or something, you probably only need to configure the account details |
| 18:32.52 | chops | ajitam: You can even skip the 'sudo' :-) |
| 18:33.15 | hoxu | tralala, post-up? :) |
| 18:33.17 | tralala | but afair the package asks how it should run and configures it |
| 18:33.33 | ajitam | chops: if I skip sudo I get "you don't have permission" |
| 18:33.40 | chops | ajitam: ? |
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| 18:33.45 | chops | ajitam: rc.local is certainly run as root |
| 18:34.07 | tralala | ajitam, try dpkg-reconfigure ddclient |
| 18:34.19 | hoxu | hrmph |
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| 18:34.25 | ajitam | chops: ok thx I didn't know that |
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| 18:35.53 | hoxu | ajitam, see what tralala said above, iirc, it asks you everything you need to set it up, I suggest you don't set up any custom scripts unless you have a good reason |
| 18:36.06 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:36.39 | MrKeuner | how can I disable keyring manager to ask for a password for a pass protected wireless access point? |
| 18:36.48 | stiv2k | so does anyone have a personal preference when it comes to Intel Core2 Duo vs AMD Turion64x2 ? |
| 18:36.49 | ajitam | hoxu: in conf you only set up username password domain |
| 18:36.50 | chops | ajitam: Also, if you want ddclient always running, you probably want to use update-rc.d instead of stuff in rc.local. It also runs automatically when a PPP interface comes up (AFAICT); read the docs. IOW, I agree with the others here that say that you shouldn't need custom scripts unless you have a good reason. |
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| 18:37.32 | hoxu | ajitam, what's the problem then? Not updating properly? |
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| 18:40.15 | ajitam | hoxu: no no everything ok I'll try to reboot |
| 18:40.24 | hoxu | -_- |
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| 18:40.52 | cahoot | MrKeuner: I couldn't find a way - switched to plain wpa_supplicant to get rid of it |
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| 18:40.59 | mhiku | ive logged as root, then when i use vncserver, everything works fine, now i created an account, now when i logged in a vncserver, only a console is up, how can i fix to have kde gui menus again? |
| 18:41.04 | Coke | Hello. I have installed python2.5 and python-pygame (which is supposed to be for 2.4 and 2.5), but when I execute "import pygame" from python2.5 shell I get "ImportError: No module named pygame". How do I install pygame for 2.5 on Debian testing? |
| 18:41.23 | tralala | these windows users... |
| 18:42.18 | tralala | Coke, what does dpkg -L python-pygame say? |
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| 18:42.54 | tralala | and is there python2.5-pygame? |
| 18:43.07 | MrKeuner | cahoot: I have installed a fresh box for my dad and his does not ask for any password for that. My box does. What may I be missing? |
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| 18:43.14 | stew | no, python-pygame Replaces: python2.5-pygame |
| 18:43.15 | msan | mhiku: this user you created, did you modify the ~/.vnc/xstartup file so that is starts up the KDE stuff you want ? |
| 18:43.18 | hoxu | python-pygame in sid claims to provide python2.[45]-pygame |
| 18:43.20 | Coke | tralala: there's only a python-pygame, it says it's for both 2.5 and 2.4 and the files listed all seem OK |
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| 18:43.41 | cahoot | MrKeuner: both using gnome and networkmanager? |
| 18:43.47 | Coke | tralala: the files are where they are supposed to be, but the actual Python package is placed under /usr/share/pycentral, 2.5 doesn't have it in it's path |
| 18:44.00 | tralala | Coke, I suppose you've starte a new interpreter after installing |
| 18:44.00 | MrKeuner | cahoot: yes as far as to my knowledge |
| 18:44.03 | tralala | started |
| 18:44.34 | MrKeuner | cahoot: I had my keyrings long time ago before the installation. I always keep my /home partition apart |
| 18:44.43 | stew | Coke: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy python-pygame python-all python-central"? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:44.57 | Coke | tralala: duh |
| 18:45.29 | cahoot | MrKeuner: ok - as I said I failed to solve the issue |
| 18:45.36 | tralala | Coke, as in "no"? |
| 18:46.22 | Coke | tralala: as in "it obviously needs to be restarted" |
| 18:46.33 | Coke | stew: hang on. |
| 18:46.58 | stew | it doesn't need to be restarted |
| 18:47.11 | tralala | Coke, indeed. If the path is not added it is a bug |
| 18:47.16 | tralala | stew, it surely does |
| 18:47.29 | stew | tralala: no |
| 18:47.33 | tralala | yes |
| 18:48.07 | Coke | tralala: it doesn't need restart for new modules, but it needs restart for the path to change |
| 18:48.15 | tralala | given that "it" is "the python interpreter" |
| 18:48.28 | tralala | Coke, which is the case at hand |
| 18:48.32 | Coke | stew: here's the problem, the python-pygame does not install a proper python package for 2.5 |
| 18:48.33 | stew | tralala: if it does then please file a bug |
| 18:48.37 | Coke | tralala: indeed. |
| 18:48.43 | stew | tralala: it doesn't here |
| 18:49.04 | Coke | stew: apt-get install python-pygame fails to install the proper files for python2.5 |
| 18:49.06 | stew | tralala: not with either python2.4 or python2.5, and it never did with python2.2 or python2.3 for me |
| 18:49.19 | stew | Coke: what files would it need to install for python2.5? i wouldn't think any |
| 18:49.25 | suppaman | I gave an "apt-get build-dep samba=myversion" and apt wanted to get 20Mb of stuff, now I've checked just the dependencies and I gave an "apt-get install <list of deps>" and it's just 10Mb of stuff, why is that? |
| 18:49.27 | tralala | stew, I think you're confusing something |
| 18:49.42 | stew | tralala: at what point are you claiming that an interpreter would need ot be restarted? |
| 18:49.46 | Coke | stew: it installs one version for 2.4 and one for 2.5 |
| 18:49.54 | Coke | stew: they are found in python2.n/site-packages |
| 18:50.08 | Coke | stew: the 2.4 version has a pygame/__init__.pyc while 2.5 has not. |
| 18:50.31 | Coke | stew: it looks as if the 2.5 version has the Python glue stuffed in /usr/share/pycentral for reasons beyond my comprehension. |
| 18:50.33 | stew | Coke: right, because python-central isn't putting it there |
| 18:50.48 | Coke | stew: but the pycentral directory is not in the path. |
| 18:50.50 | suppaman | no wait, it was the disk usage after install |
| 18:50.56 | tralala | stew, if you have an interpreter running before installing the new package you need to restart it after the install so the new path will be added to sys.path, unless the package happens to install in an already existing path (which doesn't seem to be the case) |
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| 18:51.09 | stew | tralala: after installing what? |
| 18:51.14 | tralala | the package |
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| 18:51.27 | stew | tralala: exactly what in this case? a new version of python? a new version of python-central? modules for python-pygame? |
| 18:51.38 | brif8 | okay I reverted back to installing and then upgrade to lenny. Now apt-cache search does not show nvidia-kernel-source nor can I apt-get it ? |
| 18:51.42 | tralala | new python modules |
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| 18:51.53 | stew | tralala: no, you don't |
| 18:52.16 | Coke | stew: the python-pygame package and consequently the pygame python package. |
| 18:52.31 | stew | yeah, you wouldn't need to restart python if you installed those |
| 18:52.33 | fas3r | someone have example for restart windows services with nagios . ? i don't find on google ... :s |
| 18:53.02 | Coke | stew: if the package would have been put in the usual site-packages path that is somewhat of a standard, yes. |
| 18:53.03 | hark | brif8: it's not in lenny |
| 18:53.11 | Coke | stew: unfortunately it put them in /usr/share/pycentral |
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| 18:53.19 | stew | Coke: what does "apt-cache show python-pygame | grep Python-version" say? |
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| 18:53.32 | brif8 | hark: how can I get which mirror or site should I put into sources.list |
| 18:53.39 | Coke | stew: like I've already said, it is for both 2.4 and 2.5 |
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| 18:53.52 | Coke | Python-Version: 2.4, 2.5 |
| 18:53.54 | stew | Coke: what about apt-cache policy python-all? |
| 18:53.56 | tralala | stew, you right, me wrong |
| 18:54.23 | Coke | stew: 2.4.4-6, but I start the 2.5 interpreter. |
| 18:54.31 | tralala | Coke, aparently it adds symlinks to /usr/lib/python<version>/site-packages |
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| 18:55.02 | Coke | tralala: from pycentral? |
| 18:55.15 | stew | Coke: what does "pyversions -s" return? |
| 18:55.21 | Coke | tralala: something must have gone wrong then I have an actual pygame directory with all the .so's, but no Python glue |
| 18:55.36 | Coke | stew: 2.4, it's the default for Testing. |
| 18:55.36 | stew | Coke: its not likely to be a pygame problem, but a python-central problem |
| 18:55.43 | Coke | stew: indeed. |
| 18:55.53 | stew | Coke: if "pyversions -s" only says python2.4, that is your problem |
| 18:56.26 | Coke | stew: ok. but I have installed python2.5, shouldn't be added to the list? |
| 18:56.43 | stew | Coke: afaik it determines that based on python-all |
| 18:56.52 | Coke | stew: also, python-pygame installs all the files for python2.5-pygame |
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| 18:57.45 | tralala | so python 2.4 and 2.5 have the same bytecode? |
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| 18:57.54 | stew | tralala: no |
| 18:58.00 | Coke | stew: why join 2.4 and 2.5 support into one package, install all the files but configure it wrong? |
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| 18:58.34 | tralala | Coke, because of a bug I guess |
| 18:58.39 | stew | Coke: what is the output of "/usr/bin/apt-cache --no-all-versions show python-all | grep Depends" |
| 18:58.40 | hid3 | Evening everyone. My shaping/nat machine is overloaded. (0% idle cpu, 'ksoftirqd' seems to use most of cpu power). What might be a solution for this problem? Maybe changing the default IO scheduler help a little bit on performance? |
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| 18:59.05 | Coke | stew: Depends: python (= 2.4.4-6), python2.4 (>= 2.4.4-4), python2.5 (>= 2.5.1-1) |
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| 18:59.19 | stew | huh? |
| 18:59.24 | tralala | stew, what if python-all is not installed? |
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| 18:59.36 | Coke | I didn't have it installed until now. |
| 18:59.58 | Coke | Basically, this is taking too long, I'm just going to copy the files manually. |
| 19:00.06 | stew | it doens't need to be, the above "apt-cache..." command is what "pyversions -s" is calling |
| 19:00.19 | stew | Coke: are you SURE that "pyversions -s" doesn't list python2.5? |
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| 19:01.10 | Coke | stew: no, it lists them now. |
| 19:01.33 | Coke | stew: and now a reinstall fixed the problem. |
| 19:01.40 | Coke | stew: thanks. |
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| 19:01.54 | Coke | python2.5 should depend on python-all |
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| 19:02.57 | tralala | hmm, python-all on etch doesn't depend on 2.5 |
| 19:03.07 | abrotman | i thought he was on testing |
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| 19:03.33 | MrKeuner | cahoot: OK thanks anyways |
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| 19:03.59 | tralala | he is, but I got curious about this mechanism so I'm investigating it on my machine |
| 19:03.59 | MrKeuner | hi, how can I disable keyring manager to ask for a password for a pass protected wireless access point? |
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| 19:06.18 | tralala | MrKeuner, getting in and out for clean history? |
| 19:06.39 | MrKeuner | tralala: :) no wrong channel |
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| 19:08.43 | Symmetria | question, does anyone know who I speak to about becoming an official debian mirror with official access to their top tier rsync mirror if they have such a thing with debian |
| 19:09.08 | tralala | MrKeuner, my experience with network manager is that it is best when uninstalled. I suspect keyring manger would be similar. |
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| 19:09.53 | MrKeuner | tralala: :) My problem's that I'd like to keep both |
| 19:10.10 | tralala | Symmetria, http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/official |
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| 19:11.05 | tralala | MrKeuner, then I have to agree that this is your problem |
| 19:11.18 | tralala | sigh |
| 19:11.24 | simonrvn | i left for a little while, and all at once over 700 people have jioned the channel |
| 19:11.29 | simonrvn | joined* |
| 19:11.32 | Symmetria | ok, will follow those instructions, because I see there is no .za mirror |
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| 19:11.42 | Symmetria | and *shrug* I run the .za mirrors for bsd and ubuntu may as well add debian to the list :) |
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| 19:12.03 | tralala | Symmetria, good luck |
| 19:12.05 | simonrvn | (closer to over 850) |
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| 19:16.34 | MrKeuner | cahoot: hey, are you using auto log in? |
| 19:16.47 | screamingbytes | abrotman: u there? |
| 19:17.10 | simonrvn | n m nt thr |
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| 19:18.04 | jelly | 2bd |
| 19:18.23 | tralala | wata? |
| 19:18.28 | tralala | wayta? |
| 19:18.31 | jelly | too bad! |
| 19:18.41 | enouf | simonrvn: /me hugs his 'hide /join/part messages' setting ;-) |
| 19:18.47 | simonrvn | htfsik? |
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| 19:19.00 | simonrvn | enouf: wai? |
| 19:19.05 | enouf | wai |
| 19:19.07 | methods[laptop] | how do i install an entire category of apps ? |
| 19:19.16 | tralala | !win simonrvn |
| 19:19.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 19:19.26 | simonrvn | enouf: ipboj/pit |
| 19:19.26 | enouf | [14:09:55] <simonrvn> i left for a little while, and all at once over 700 people have jioned the channel |
| 19:19.29 | jelly | enouf: was there a netsplit or what? I didn't notice, have disabled join/pater messages |
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| 19:19.44 | simonrvn | enouf: oh hehe |
| 19:19.49 | screamingbytes | methods[laptop]: synaptic may make that easier for u |
| 19:19.51 | enouf | jelly: seems simonrvn 's message says so O.o |
| 19:19.55 | jelly | !u |
| 19:19.55 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:20.02 | pobega | My battery has been stuck on "100%" charged for a while now (Using the `acpi` command), but I haven't been plugged into an outlet for about an hour now...Any way to debug this, because now I can't see how much battery life I have left? |
| 19:20.04 | methods[laptop] | screamingbytes: yes how so ? |
| 19:20.10 | simonrvn | enouf: i was kidding |
| 19:20.23 | enouf | !penixstrike simonrvn |
| 19:20.23 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking simonrvn to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:20.28 | enouf | :-p |
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| 19:21.38 | screamingbytes | methods[laptop]: when u select a category on the left side of synaptic window, the packages list only shows the packages in the category. u can then select all and apply |
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| 19:22.20 | tralala | !+tell screamingbytes -about u |
| 19:22.21 | dpkg | told screamingbytes about u. |
| 19:22.51 | enouf | 10q for that tralala O.o |
| 19:23.00 | tralala | enouf, wc |
| 19:23.03 | jelly | !10q |
| 19:23.03 | dpkg | Unless you mean 10 quarts, please spell it out: "thank you". IRC doesn't charge you by the character. |
| 19:23.09 | jelly | ^^ |
| 19:23.10 | tralala | (personal favourite) |
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| 19:23.33 | Symmetria | whoa, I just saw where the official south african debian mirror is sitting.... that has *GOT* to change |
| 19:23.42 | Symmetria | because thats the height of insanity |
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| 19:23.54 | dkr | in the desert? |
| 19:23.59 | tralala | Symmetria, may the force be with you, Luke! |
| 19:24.02 | Symmetria | heh its sitting on a client of mine |
| 19:24.12 | Symmetria | who has 25meg of bandwidth serving 25 thousand students |
| 19:24.24 | screamingbytes | lol, ok ok ok, you you you you |
| 19:24.25 | Symmetria | you cant do more than 3k/second across that line during the day :p |
| 19:24.26 | jelly | Symmetria: it's on a person?! |
| 19:24.47 | Symmetria | thats kinda funny |
| 19:24.48 | Symmetria | :) |
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| 19:25.38 | xsdg | heh, wow... |
| 19:25.47 | tralala | screamingbytes, good boy |
| 19:25.53 | xsdg | drwxr-xr-x 3 xsdg xsdg 4173824 2008-01-10 14:16 ../ |
| 19:26.05 | xsdg | I think that is the largest directory I've ever encountered |
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| 19:26.26 | jelly | xsdg: you had a lot of file entries in it at one time |
| 19:26.31 | abrotman | xsdg: would you like us to guess what's in there? :) |
| 19:26.53 | simonrvn | images and videos |
| 19:27.03 | abrotman | no music? |
| 19:27.04 | xsdg | abrotman: 56,000 .csv files |
| 19:27.06 | jelly | abrotman: pron collections are usually well sorted. My guess: mail spool |
| 19:27.24 | xsdg | (it's output from an experiment I'm running) |
| 19:27.30 | abrotman | xsdg: does everyone from MIT refuse to delete stuff? |
| 19:27.54 | jelly | looks too big a dir for mere 56k files... which fs? |
| 19:27.58 | xsdg | abrotman: I generated this (and ~150,000 more in another directory) in about a week (on a 16-way machine :o) |
| 19:28.00 | tralala | abrotman, does everybody keep junk in their back yards? |
| 19:28.02 | xsdg | jelly: ext3 |
| 19:28.21 | Symmetria | heh MIT's open courseware script that refuses to accept --delete in my rsync script drives me nuts |
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| 19:28.37 | xsdg | jelly: unfortunately, directory lookups take a noticeable amount of time in the 150k one, which sucks for processing |
| 19:28.42 | jelly | xsdg: it probably had 6-7 figure number of files at one time. |
| 19:28.50 | xsdg | jelly: "it"? |
| 19:29.00 | jelly | xsdg: that large dir |
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| 19:29.24 | jelly | xsdg: I suppose you already have dir_index enabled? |
| 19:29.28 | xsdg | jelly: oh, yeah. the 150,000 used to be in ".." until I moved them away because lookups were so slow |
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| 19:29.46 | simonrvn | btw, you can shrink those... mkdir foo1; mv the stuff in foo/ to foo1/ ; rmdir foo; mv foo1 foo |
| 19:29.48 | jelly | xsdg: yup. the directory won't shrink |
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| 19:29.56 | xsdg | jelly: don't know; how would I check? (I don't recall seeing anything about dir_index in tune2fs, but I might not have been looking hard enough) |
| 19:30.10 | xsdg | simonrvn: thanks |
| 19:30.38 | jelly | xsdg: dumpe2fs -h /dev/whatever | grep features |
| 19:30.45 | simonrvn | saves space, etc. i do it when i feel like it |
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| 19:31.01 | asdzxc | hi |
| 19:31.08 | simonrvn | lo |
| 19:31.09 | asdzxc | how can i add rules for eth0:1 to iptables ? |
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| 19:31.20 | simonrvn | you can't |
| 19:31.22 | zwerg | Hi there, |
| 19:31.27 | asdzxc | simonrvn really ? |
| 19:31.35 | asdzxc | simonrvn so i had to use IP addresses or eth+ ? |
| 19:31.37 | simonrvn | yes really |
| 19:31.41 | asdzxc | * i have.. |
| 19:31.41 | zwerg | How do I find out, how much video memory I have? |
| 19:31.46 | simonrvn | you can only do eth0+ for instance |
| 19:31.51 | xsdg | jelly: it is indeed enabled; thanks |
| 19:31.54 | asdzxc | simonrvn ok, thnx |
| 19:32.14 | simonrvn | zwerg: dmesg or less /var/log/dmesg |
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| 19:32.32 | jelly | xsdg: yeah, that would be that case if it's a fresh etch installation. If you enabled it with tune2fs, you'd need to umount and fsck -Df the filesystem. |
| 19:33.00 | jelly | ... and fsck -D takes ~ double the time of a normal fsck |
| 19:33.26 | helo | anyone happen to know which of the 38 exim config files contains the relay domains? |
| 19:33.34 | xsdg | jelly: hmm? |
| 19:33.54 | xsdg | oh, I see |
| 19:34.33 | xsdg | ok |
| 19:34.33 | tralala | helo, no, but I suspect dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config is what you're really after |
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| 19:34.54 | screamingbytes | bbiab |
| 19:35.23 | helo | thanks tralala |
| 19:35.26 | xsdg | man... I love gigabit... "Fetched 29.0 MB in 1s (17.4MB/s)" |
| 19:35.34 | tralala | helo, you're welcome |
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| 19:37.48 | deego | How do I list all the installed "contrib" packages on my machine? |
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| 19:38.08 | zwerg | agpgart: Detected an Intel 830M Chipset. |
| 19:38.08 | zwerg | agpgart: Detected 8060K stolen memory. |
| 19:38.18 | zwerg | simonrvn, This entry? |
| 19:39.17 | simonrvn | zwerg: not sure, seems that's just for agpgart |
| 19:39.28 | simonrvn | for mine, it'll show: |
| 19:40.19 | zwerg | The specs say that the video card may have 8 to 32 MiB out of the main memory. Would that be configurable? Or does that mean, different models use different sizes? |
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| 19:41.15 | simonrvn | one would assume that's the latter, but i don't know that video set |
| 19:41.16 | tralala | zwerg, it's configurable from xorg.conf |
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| 19:41.59 | zwerg | tralala, You know the directives? Or what to google? :) |
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| 19:42.30 | tralala | zwerg, I'm trying to remember, but I can't be sure - VideoRAM maybe |
| 19:42.41 | tralala | should be in the man page |
| 19:42.45 | tralala | man i810 |
| 19:42.50 | zwerg | Problem is, when I switch desktops, windows show up very slowly. |
| 19:42.51 | vin` | stew: gave up on oftc? |
| 19:42.52 | zwerg | Thanks a lot. |
| 19:43.16 | vin` | zwerg: which chip? |
| 19:43.16 | gouki | Any @'s around? |
| 19:43.28 | Ronin | gouki: always, why? |
| 19:43.39 | zwerg | vin`, Intel i830 |
| 19:43.51 | gouki | Ronin: Can I /q you? |
| 19:43.51 | pobega | My battery has been stuck on "100%" charged for a while now (Using the `acpi` command), but I haven't been plugged into an outlet for about an hour now...Any way to debug this, because now I can't see how much battery life I have left? |
| 19:44.20 | stew | vin`: for now, yes |
| 19:44.21 | jelly | pobega: tried rebooting yet? |
| 19:44.31 | vin` | jelly: monkey with a coconut? |
| 19:44.31 | Ronin | gouki: sure |
| 19:44.33 | pobega | jelly: Yes, it still says 100% |
| 19:44.36 | tralala | jelly, human at least, monkey at best? I think you've got the evolution theory backwards |
| 19:44.56 | xsdg | pobega: try installing acpitool |
| 19:44.57 | simonrvn | tralala: no, he's right |
| 19:45.05 | xsdg | pobega: then do `acpitool -e` |
| 19:45.09 | zwerg | For my problem that windows show up slowly on desktop changes, would it help to increase video memory? Would it help to increase aperture size? |
| 19:45.13 | jelly | tralala: I'm quite sure I haven't, monkeys are better suited to the environment. |
| 19:45.38 | simonrvn | they don't go messing it up |
| 19:45.47 | pobega | It still says 100% |
| 19:45.48 | xsdg | pobega: err... looks like `acpitool -B` will work |
| 19:45.58 | xsdg | pobega: yes, but does it give you useful extra information? |
| 19:46.02 | vin` | stew: greycat's fable was a prophecy. ;) |
| 19:46.33 | simonrvn | clearsightedness sometimes seems like prophecy |
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| 19:46.43 | xsdg | zwerg: what window manager, and are you using compositing? |
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| 19:47.01 | pobega | -B doesn't work either -- Hm, I'm not sure, although to me nothing stands out. |
| 19:47.22 | stew | vin`: not as i recall it |
| 19:47.23 | xsdg | pobega: can you paste what it says somewhere? |
| 19:47.33 | stew | vin`: maybe, i'd have to re-read it |
| 19:47.35 | pobega | http://pastebin.ca/849765 One step ahead of you |
| 19:47.46 | Dantix | hi, trying to compile and config procedure says Missing glib, what package bring me glib? |
| 19:48.16 | wols_ | Dantix: you need the glib dev package |
| 19:48.48 | Dantix | wols_: its name is glib-dev? |
| 19:48.53 | xsdg | pobega: err... what sort of hardware is that? |
| 19:48.58 | wols_ | zwerg: it would help to have more main memory most likely |
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| 19:49.07 | xsdg | 4 amp-hours is tiny by most laptop standards |
| 19:49.09 | tralala | Dantix, /msg dpkg search |
| 19:49.11 | zwerg | wols_, I have a gig of main memory. |
| 19:49.11 | pobega | xsdg: I'm not 100% sure, although it usually works, but for some reason it isn't working today. |
| 19:49.24 | simonrvn | Dantix: no, search for it... really. freebie: libglib*-dev |
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| 19:49.40 | Dantix | ok, thanks |
| 19:49.42 | simonrvn | (there's more than one available version) |
| 19:49.43 | xsdg | pobega: for instance, mine is: http://rafb.net/p/rappqp66.html |
| 19:49.48 | zwerg | xsdg, ion3, and Xorg says compositing is on, but ion3 makes no use of it. |
| 19:49.51 | xsdg | pobega: is this a laptop? a PDA? |
| 19:49.59 | simonrvn | you probably need the stuff for gtk2 |
| 19:50.05 | enouf | simonrvn: doing that mv thing with my /usr/share/doc/ == wow ;-) |
| 19:50.07 | xsdg | zwerg: that might be part of it. maybe try turning compositing off? |
| 19:50.15 | zwerg | Though I didn't turn it on in the conf. |
| 19:50.30 | pobega | xsdg: It's a laptop. |
| 19:50.39 | xsdg | zwerg: it's enabled by default in recent X releases |
| 19:50.53 | simonrvn | enouf: hehe |
| 19:50.59 | xsdg | zwerg: Section "Extensions"\n Option "Composite" "Disable"\n EndSection |
| 19:51.05 | zwerg | Option "Composite" "disable"? |
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| 19:51.15 | zwerg | Alright, thanks. |
| 19:51.44 | enouf | simonrvn: hehe, i got a little hung up at 1st , inadvertantly creating subs of subs and so on, but all's well now ;-) |
| 19:51.51 | xsdg | pobega: yeah, it seems like your battery/BIOS is reporting invalid ACPI info (though it could be some other point between your battery and the OS as well |
| 19:51.53 | simonrvn | ee |
| 19:51.56 | simonrvn | k |
| 19:52.10 | xsdg | pobega: can you plug your laptop in, then remove and reinsert the battery? |
| 19:53.14 | pobega | xsdg: I plugged it in and now it is telling me I have 1% battery life left (This didn't work last time I tried mind you) |
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| 19:53.26 | pobega | Let's see if it charges beyond 1%, I'll give it a minute. |
| 19:53.44 | xsdg | pobega: the important things are the numbers, not the percentage |
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| 19:54.59 | xsdg | pobega: a reasonable number for the battery capacity is >= 40,000 mA-hours |
| 19:55.00 | pobega | Well, it seems to be working fine now -- What a weird problem. |
| 19:55.27 | pobega | xsdg: You mean it should say something like that when I do acpitool -B? |
| 19:55.42 | xsdg | pobega: yes |
| 19:55.46 | xsdg | pobega: look at mine |
| 19:56.02 | pobega | It's still telling me 4,800 mAH |
| 19:56.12 | pobega | As the design capacity, that is. |
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| 19:56.32 | zwerg | xsdg, What about AIGLX, also disable? |
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| 19:56.43 | abrotman | pobega: you run your laptop on a 9V battery? :) |
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| 19:57.02 | jelly | abrotman: it's more like 4 AA-sizes rechargables |
| 19:57.06 | xsdg | zwerg: I'd leave that on unless it conflicts with things |
| 19:57.20 | zwerg | Alright. Lemme test... |
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| 19:57.23 | pobega | abrotman: ;P |
| 19:57.25 | jelly | pobega: do... you... have... an... XO? :-) |
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| 19:57.55 | pobega | jelly: Nah, it's a System76 actually. |
| 19:58.08 | tralala | I'm writing you slowly because I know that you read slowly... |
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| 19:58.22 | pobega | Although, I was actually thinking of purchasing an XO, but I suppose that's OT for this channel. |
| 19:58.34 | Enron | I apt-get install monit, and then I accidently rm'd the config file so I apt-get remove and apt-get install agian however it didn't recreate all the files |
| 19:58.40 | dkr | you can read debian on an xo :) |
| 19:58.47 | jelly | s/read/run/ |
| 19:58.58 | dkr | er, install debian |
| 19:59.16 | abrotman | !tell Enron about confmiss |
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| 19:59.27 | pobega | dkr: Mmhmm, that would've been my plan. Full-console Debian Lenny, I'd treat it as my 'on-the-go' laptop. |
| 19:59.32 | xsdg | pobega: yeah, so it looks like it's scaled incorrectly |
| 19:59.39 | jelly | pobega: uh, sounds like a cheapish noname brand. |
| 19:59.44 | antixogh | Enron: remove it again and then purge, then try to install it again. it might work |
| 19:59.52 | jelly | meaning "acpi problems galore" |
| 19:59.52 | xsdg | pobega: but the rate is scaled incorrectly as well, so your percentage and remaining time should be correct |
| 20:00.03 | pobega | jelly: What, System76? |
| 20:00.09 | jelly | yes |
| 20:00.09 | abrotman | antixogh: you could do the smart thing and just purge it to start with .. or /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 20:00.31 | pobega | xsdg: Thanks for the help. |
| 20:00.46 | xsdg | pobega: np |
| 20:00.53 | zwerg | Xorg also tells: (==) intel(0): VideoRam: 131072 KB. Can I trust this? |
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| 20:01.18 | vin` | zwerg: why are you worried about it? |
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| 20:01.32 | deepak | how can we permanently mount windows partition in debian |
| 20:01.33 | pobega | jelly: This laptop's actually pretty good, I've had little to no problems with the company itself and the majority of hardware in the model I purchased was Intel so I find compatability is excellent with Debian, and I barely have to do any tinkering to get it to work. |
| 20:01.45 | zwerg | The specs of the chip say that it takes only 8 to 32 MiB. |
| 20:01.48 | beardy | !fstab |
| 20:01.48 | dpkg | fstab is probably a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. |
| 20:01.56 | pobega | The only problems I ever have are with ACPI, everything else works fine -- Even down to the SD Card reader. |
| 20:01.58 | antixogh | abrotman: I'll keep that in mind |
| 20:02.02 | beardy | deepak: ^^^ |
| 20:02.19 | jelly | zwerg: afaict, video-intel driver takes as much memory as it needs... try doing 3D and see what happens with free RAM. |
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| 20:02.28 | tralala | deepak, ntfs? |
| 20:02.35 | vin` | zwerg: you sure? my crappy old 815 used to take 128 iirc |
| 20:02.37 | deepak | yah |
| 20:02.47 | tralala | deepak, best consumed with ntfs-3g |
| 20:02.59 | vin` | zwerg: and beryl used to fly on it. |
| 20:03.01 | tralala | do you run etch? |
| 20:03.03 | antixogh | afc again |
| 20:03.14 | Enron | antixogh it's removed now how do I purge it |
| 20:03.21 | zwerg | Nice :) |
| 20:03.21 | zwerg | Thanks a lot. |
| 20:03.29 | jelly | vin`: funny, beryl used to be barely usable on my 915... ditched it. |
| 20:03.32 | deepak | tralala:its mounting but after rebooting the system i need to mount it again |
| 20:04.03 | vin` | jelly: eeps, it was'nt 815, it is 915! |
| 20:04.09 | tralala | deepak, /msg dpkg fstab |
| 20:04.12 | helo | is there an easy way to get the previous day's date? |
| 20:04.17 | antixogh | apt-get purge packagename |
| 20:04.37 | deepak | tralala:i have even put changes in file system table but even then i need to mount it again |
| 20:04.39 | tralala | helo, date -d yesterday |
| 20:04.55 | helo | awesome |
| 20:04.57 | vin` | jelly: copiz fusion runs fine here on 945 |
| 20:05.09 | jetscreamer | no |
| 20:05.10 | jelly | sure... it's better by 30 |
| 20:05.15 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge |
| 20:05.18 | valdyn | intel drivers suck compared to nvidias |
| 20:05.21 | jetscreamer | dpkg --purge |
| 20:05.23 | valdyn | however they are free |
| 20:05.34 | tralala | deepak, which "file system table"? /etc/fstab? |
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| 20:05.43 | jelly | valdyn: I thought it was the hardware that sucked! |
| 20:05.45 | vin` | valdyn: it's painless if you ask me. |
| 20:05.52 | deepak | tralala:yah |
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| 20:06.06 | jetscreamer | (sounds like it's mounting ro) |
| 20:06.17 | valdyn | jelly: the hardware is fast enough for me easily |
| 20:06.36 | tralala | valdyn, intel? |
| 20:06.38 | jelly | valdyn: driven with what, if not intel's drivers? |
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| 20:06.43 | jelly | XiG? |
| 20:06.49 | valdyn | jelly: intel drivers, not like i have a choice |
| 20:06.53 | jetscreamer | the onboard intel is like not good for me |
| 20:07.06 | valdyn | x3100 |
| 20:07.21 | tralala | shared memory = juice sucker |
| 20:07.23 | abrotman | jetscreamer: don't you have an AARP card? |
| 20:07.26 | Enron | ty |
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| 20:07.33 | jelly | tralala: hm, really? |
| 20:07.47 | jetscreamer | abrotman: what's aarp... oh. no not yet, 9 years to go or so |
| 20:07.57 | tralala | jelly, yes |
| 20:08.13 | jetscreamer | i stil look bertter than you :p |
| 20:08.20 | tralala | deepak, which ntfs driver do you use? |
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| 20:08.27 | jelly | tralala: I'd guess it would be the other way round... discrete card -> more wattage |
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| 20:08.55 | abrotman | jetscreamer: because i'm wearing an umbrella hat you insensitive clod |
| 20:08.59 | deepak | tralala:how can i know it |
| 20:09.05 | jetscreamer | why does ntfs-3g put so much cpu load |
| 20:09.08 | tralala | jelly, erm... I mean performance juice, not power juice |
| 20:09.08 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 20:09.45 | tralala | jetscreamer, outdated version? |
| 20:09.45 | jelly | tralala: got any numbers? |
| 20:10.02 | jetscreamer | tralala: the sid version |
| 20:10.29 | tralala | jetscreamer, hmm... will test when I get an ntfs disk |
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| 20:10.53 | jetscreamer | tralala: it got updated recently though, not sure that it def. does still... |
| 20:11.34 | dserban | how does one reset the usb bus? (rather than disconnecting / reconnecting a device) |
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| 20:12.11 | jetscreamer | 45% cpu usage on this xp2400 |
| 20:12.16 | jetscreamer | 2 g file |
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| 20:12.27 | tralala | woow |
| 20:12.39 | tralala | jelly, no |
| 20:12.41 | jetscreamer | it works fine, jsut that |
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| 20:13.55 | jetscreamer | oh wait this is testing |
| 20:13.57 | jetscreamer | not sid |
| 20:14.01 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 20:14.24 | tralala | jelly, but with memory bandwidth being a major performance handbreak it is not difficult to imagine the impact of shared memory |
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| 20:15.51 | jelly | yeah, but "major performance handbreak" doesn't quite cut it as a "27% slowdown in reads from main memory" would |
| 20:15.56 | tralala | I think it won't be difficult to get numbers too, but I don't have the needed hardware for fair comparison |
| 20:16.34 | jelly | yeah, I only have a shared mem machine and don't plan on buying the same one with a discrete gpu. ;-) |
| 20:17.32 | jelly | Anyone here have a Z60m Thinkpad with ATI card? ^^ /me hides |
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| 20:18.32 | abrotman | send me yours! |
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| 20:22.03 | suppaman | dserban: try removing the usb driver and putting it back |
| 20:22.26 | fas3r | how to know the uptime of machine ? |
| 20:22.32 | suppaman | uptime |
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| 20:24.31 | suppaman | bye |
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| 20:26.55 | antixogh | "14:28:27 up 10 days, 9:01, 2 users, load average: 0.17, 0.27, 0.25" =\ |
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| 20:28.05 | tralala | jelly, not exactly numbers but interesting read http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/01/05/2151216 |
| 20:31.37 | enouf | i think i broke dpkg :-( .. i asked her to find /usr/share/doc-base .. she's been updating for oh 2 minutes now |
| 20:31.50 | enouf | er 6 O.o |
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| 20:32.02 | xsdg | enouf: what command? |
| 20:32.10 | jelly | enouf: punk! |
| 20:32.12 | enouf | i mean the bot |
| 20:32.20 | jelly | !test |
| 20:32.20 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 20:32.26 | enouf | hrm |
| 20:32.46 | enouf | jelly: what's ls -l /usr/share/doc-base say on yours? |
| 20:32.47 | xsdg | enouf: oh, yeah, that happens a lot |
| 20:32.48 | mike_faraci | does mozilla vlc plugin handle flash content? |
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| 20:32.57 | xsdg | enouf: packages.debian.org should do what you want |
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| 20:33.24 | enouf | xsdg: i don't think so, but i'll try anyway |
| 20:33.29 | jelly | enouf: |wc -l says 235 |
| 20:33.31 | tralala | mike_faraci, unlinkely |
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| 20:33.37 | enouf | jelly: thank you |
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| 20:34.34 | enouf | jelly: and ls -l /usr/share/doc-base/doc-base | wc -l ? |
| 20:34.37 | mike_faraci | tralala im using gnash plugin, its working though volume control is ontop of full screen toggle and neither function, have you seen this problem |
| 20:34.49 | xsdg | enouf: aah, I see. nm :o) |
| 20:34.55 | jelly | enouf: one |
| 20:35.42 | tralala | mike_faraci, I haven't used gnash |
| 20:35.45 | enouf | jelly: hrm, ok thank again .. one last one please ? $ ls -l /usr/share/doc/doc-base | wc -l |
| 20:35.46 | ElDiabolo | How do I log the boot messages? Is there a log file that holds the messages from the rc.d scripts? |
| 20:36.17 | jelly | !wayttd enouf |
| 20:36.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, enouf? |
| 20:36.24 | jelly | enouf: 8 |
| 20:36.30 | enouf | jelly: fixing simonrvn !! :-P |
| 20:36.31 | mike_faraci | tralala wht u use? libflashplugin.so? |
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| 20:36.41 | tralala | mike_faraci, yes |
| 20:36.45 | cusco | enouf: doc-base/doc-base? |
| 20:36.48 | enouf | hah ! 8 here as well - ok, gracias |
| 20:37.00 | jelly | enouf: you don't need dpkg for that, just a pair of rusty pliers |
| 20:37.10 | enouf | cusco: something like that - all done now - got it back pretty good, thanks |
| 20:37.28 | enouf | jelly: and a hammer |
| 20:37.32 | mike_faraci | does it work without hitch? i did not find it in apt cache, thought i just read where you need multiverse in sources.list is this correct? |
| 20:37.56 | cusco | mike_faraci: is that ubuntu? |
| 20:38.03 | jelly | mike_faraci: there is no multivers. |
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| 20:39.50 | jelly | (well, existence of multiverse really depends on one's interpretation of quantum mechanics) |
| 20:40.04 | tralala | mike_faraci, "without hitch" is a little bit too optimistic, but it generally works |
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| 20:40.32 | tralala | also if you run ubuntu you're better off asking #ubuntu |
| 20:40.35 | cusco | multiverse is in ubuntu what non-free is in debian... |
| 20:40.45 | mike_faraci | i guess it is, any reason why flashplugin-nonfree does not show up in apt cache? |
| 20:40.59 | mike_faraci | this is debian lenny sparc |
| 20:41.06 | asBook | lol |
| 20:41.15 | asBook | is it for sparc then? |
| 20:41.22 | jelly | simple, there is no adobe flash plugin for sparc |
| 20:41.23 | cusco | ui |
| 20:41.30 | cusco | ! |
| 20:41.45 | tralala | mike_faraci, flash is i386 only afaik |
| 20:42.20 | tralala | there are some verbal effords to port it to amd64 |
| 20:42.35 | enouf | cusco: bingo - now you can see why i was confuzzled O.o |
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| 20:42.51 | mike_faraci | well there is one for sparc because i downloaded it, i just cant seem to put it in the right plugins dir for epiphany to pick it up |
| 20:42.53 | cusco | enouf: took you long! |
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| 20:43.04 | enouf | still :-P |
| 20:43.12 | cusco | 32 on me (lines) |
| 20:43.19 | Eulex | mike_faraci, there is none, did you download any of the free flash plugins? |
| 20:43.23 | enouf | thanks |
| 20:43.40 | cusco | for nothing :p |
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| 20:45.05 | jelly | mike_faraci: what's the exact url for the file you downloaded? |
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| 20:45.25 | theroue | I edited my /etc/passwd to change the home dir of a user |
| 20:45.30 | mike_faraci | jelly http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Solaris |
| 20:45.36 | helo | is there a per-user equivalent of /etc/hosts? |
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| 20:45.44 | xsdg | helo: what would that mean? |
| 20:45.45 | theroue | But now when said user runs programs the username doesn't show up in ps aux, but just a number |
| 20:45.46 | jelly | mike_faraci: Debian lenny isn't Solaris |
| 20:45.48 | helo | i guess i should say 'user editable' |
| 20:45.52 | mike_faraci | i no its solaris, so probly wont work right? |
| 20:45.56 | tralala | mike_faraci, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ should work for epiphany |
| 20:46.01 | theroue | The number is 1005,which is the user's UID |
| 20:46.03 | xsdg | helo: you can add the user to a group that can write to it |
| 20:46.06 | jelly | right. Wrong kernel, wrong ABI |
| 20:46.07 | theroue | Why is this happening? |
| 20:46.20 | helo | xsdg: i don't want users to be able to overwrite each other's changes |
| 20:46.29 | mike_faraci | tralala i put it there, but doesnt see it |
| 20:46.39 | chops | theroue: Probably you botched the formatting of the user's line somehow |
| 20:46.40 | helo | it would just be a per-user /etc/hosts that would have entries specific to individual users |
| 20:46.43 | tralala | well, if the arch is wrong... |
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| 20:46.54 | chops | theroue: Recheck the user's line in /etc/passwd, and use usermod to change user settings when possible in the future |
| 20:46.56 | jelly | tralala: the arch is right ;-) |
| 20:47.12 | xsdg | helo: what would happen if the users had conflicting entries? |
| 20:47.13 | Eulex | mike_faraci, well yeah, a binary for solaris wouldn't work on linux |
| 20:47.14 | D-Two | Hi! I have a problem using virtual users in vsftpd. I've managed to isolate the problem to something between vsftpd and the PAM-service. Turning on debug-info in the PAM-modules shows this in /var/log/auth.log |
| 20:47.17 | D-Two | password in database is [(nil)]`(null)', len is 0 |
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| 20:47.22 | mike_faraci | Eulex ive got gnash working but on the embeded player the volume control is ontop off full screen toggle and neither function |
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| 20:47.30 | tralala | jelly, and everything else isn't? :) |
| 20:47.31 | jelly | tralala: but the OS/libc/arch combo isn't :-) |
| 20:47.39 | D-Two | Any hints? |
| 20:47.50 | xsdg | helo: (assuming you want to use this for virtual hosts, you might consider writing a framework that reads files that each user can write to, munches on them, and then spits something out into /etc/hosts) |
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| 20:48.48 | mike_faraci | Eulex correct me if im wrong but a plugin file is not a binary file right? |
| 20:48.54 | jelly | interestingly, the solaris people have (or had?) an ABI translator that makes Linux binaries work on solaris, but the opposite is not true |
| 20:49.11 | theroue | tremulous:x:500:1006:,,,:/usr/games/trem:/bin/bash |
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| 20:49.13 | helo | xsdg: i don't want it to affect the system's resolution of hostnames |
| 20:49.15 | theroue | chops that's the line |
| 20:49.23 | xsdg | helo: uhh |
| 20:49.31 | theroue | I don't see any problems. |
| 20:49.32 | xsdg | helo: what do you want it to do, then |
| 20:49.34 | jelly | mike_faraci: it is a binary. It's a shared library made for one operating system. |
| 20:49.36 | helo | only that user's resolution of hostnames |
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| 20:49.49 | xsdg | helo: oh, I see |
| 20:49.53 | Eulex | mike_faraci, it's a kind of a binary. some can even be run normally. try /lib/libc.so.6 from a terminal |
| 20:50.18 | mike_faraci | K, sorry |
| 20:50.19 | xsdg | helo: I think you'd have to do something fancy with libnss. I don't think that functionality exists (at least, in a default install), though |
| 20:50.20 | Tramp | theroue: just a minute ago you said the uid is 1005. The line you pasted shows 1006. Somthing is wrong here |
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| 20:50.31 | helo | thanks |
| 20:50.42 | xsdg | helo: yup; good luck |
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| 20:51.25 | mike_faraci | anyone here use gnash plugin? |
| 20:51.34 | iormz_ | mike_faraci, I do. |
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| 20:52.11 | mike_faraci | iormz 4 instance on youtube are your vol and full screen toggle functional |
| 20:52.24 | theroue | Tramp: I deleted and recreated the user entirely |
| 20:52.31 | theroue | Tramp: now it's 1005 |
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| 20:52.45 | theroue | tremulous:x:1005:1006:,,,:/usr/games/trem:/bin/bash |
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| 20:52.55 | theroue | All processes run by this user show up as 1005 |
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| 20:53.10 | theroue | ie: 1005 3377 0.0 0.0 9648 1060 ttyp4 R+ 15:53 0:00 ps aux |
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| 20:53.17 | sepski | are there a tool in debian to marge 6 images into one ? like a panorama ? (a schematic but that's details) |
| 20:54.11 | enouf | i d/l youtube crap directly now with wget :-) |
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| 20:54.22 | themill | sepski: hugin |
| 20:54.25 | ribnitz | hello there |
| 20:54.30 | tralala | mike_faraci, the gnash plugin wasn't very good last time I checked |
| 20:54.48 | jetscreamer | that box will be another 25 min just d/l'ing the upgrades |
| 20:54.51 | mike_faraci | tralala any alternative? |
| 20:55.08 | enouf | the mill: is there something related to imagemagick like collage? mosaic? |
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| 20:55.24 | ribnitz | Openoffice.org in sid looks broken.. |
| 20:55.29 | tralala | mike_faraci, sadly no. gnash is supposed to be the alternative but seems to fall short |
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| 20:55.46 | enouf | just use mplayer |
| 20:55.46 | jelly | I'm surprised it can even play the videos |
| 20:56.01 | crumblenaut | hi, ive just dist=upgrade'd a debian box and now authentication to courier-imap doesn't work, but courier-pop3 works fine. curiously, one user account works fine via imap but the rest dont |
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| 20:56.31 | mike_faraci | tralala im also using vlc plugin for other formats, but the media plays without any controls to stop start ect.. |
| 20:56.34 | Tramp | theroue: that's because the username is longer than 8 characters |
| 20:56.40 | zoink | i'm having trouble getting a custom-compiled kernel to boot, every time i try to boot it hangs on Boot; waiting for root filesystem, then eventually times out and starts a shell |
| 20:56.40 | theroue | Tramp: oh. |
| 20:56.53 | theroue | So it's not a problem? |
| 20:57.06 | enouf | mike_faraci: i watch youtubular flv videos in mplayer, no browser , no plugins |
| 20:57.09 | ribnitz | zoink: are you nfs mounting anything? |
| 20:57.17 | zoink | ribnitz: no |
| 20:57.24 | zoink | not yet at least |
| 20:57.32 | ribnitz | zoink: what fses are involved? |
| 20:57.32 | Eulex | zoink, did you compile in drivers for (1) your ide/sata device (2) your file system |
| 20:57.35 | Tramp | theroue: is it for you? |
| 20:57.35 | sepski | themill, thank you |
| 20:57.41 | tralala | there's mplayer plugin for mozilla (at least used to be) |
| 20:57.45 | mike_faraci | enouf 4 real, howd u setit up? |
| 20:57.46 | zoink | Eulex: 1: yes, 2: as modules |
| 20:57.50 | Eulex | zoink, and if you don't have an initrd, did you compile them as modules or not? |
| 20:57.50 | zoink | ribnitz: xfs and ext3 |
| 20:57.56 | enouf | though i suppose many youtubulars don't use just flv? |
| 20:57.58 | zoink | Eulex: i have an initrd |
| 20:58.08 | Eulex | zoink, containing the right modules? |
| 20:58.10 | ribnitz | zoink: using modules, or static? |
| 20:58.23 | enouf | mike_faraci: give me a test url, if it works i will tell you, it's easy though |
| 20:58.30 | zoink | ribnitz: i've tried both modueles and static, same problem |
| 20:58.43 | mike_faraci | r u cp the link into mplayer? |
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| 20:58.46 | ribnitz | zoink: any easoteric hardware? |
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| 20:58.57 | enouf | mike_faraci: i almost never bother though - so my test sample/field isn't that large |
| 20:59.08 | enouf | mike_faraci: r who what? |
| 20:59.17 | enouf | speaka de englese! |
| 20:59.30 | zoink | ribnitz: easoteric? -_- |
| 20:59.42 | abrotman | esoteric .. odd .. weird .. bizarre |
| 20:59.52 | mike_faraci | are you copying the link into mplayer? |
| 20:59.55 | ribnitz | zoink: like controller card that is less than 6 month old? |
| 21:00.07 | enouf | mike_faraci: basically, but it needs modifying |
| 21:00.19 | zoink | ribnitz: just a promise sata controller, but it's supported and has been working fine |
| 21:00.35 | enouf | mike_faraci: got a sample? |
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| 21:01.10 | ribnitz | zoink: Normal "forgot fs module" used to be "Unable to mount root fs on ...." |
| 21:01.19 | mike_faraci | enouf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csBGk_D1YHA |
| 21:01.24 | enouf | mike_faraci: i don't know - others say they tried it, but ithink their browser plugins get in the way .. but b/c i don't have any of that crap installed, it works for me |
| 21:01.28 | enouf | ok, one sec |
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| 21:01.43 | zoink | ribnitz: I don't understand... |
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| 21:03.00 | enouf | mike_faraci: this works here; $ mplayer "http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=csBGk_D1YHA&l=32&t=OEgsToPDskIpyfJ5gflPqcTdBoS6MIDy&sk=rGyRcLT8QvI1wyJuOo9VAAC&fs=1&title=Girl Skater Abby "Zace" Zsarnay airs over DJ" |
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| 21:03.16 | zoink | ribnitz: also it's only the new kernel that doesn't boot, if that helps, the default kernel boots fine |
| 21:03.18 | Rhoruns_ | hmm.. i just did a basic install of debian. are there any important packages i should get? i only plan to use the pc as a game server. |
| 21:03.33 | enouf | mike_faraci: take it all .. and enclose the from "http .... Abby" in quotes |
| 21:04.51 | mike_faraci | K i cant try right now @work, how did u come up with the link? |
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| 21:05.22 | mike_faraci | enouf brb |
| 21:05.32 | enouf | mike_faraci: one sec |
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| 21:06.35 | enouf | er .. i meant all the way to "http .... Dj" (not Abby) here's proof http://pastebin.ca/849879 |
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| 21:09.06 | D-Two | OK, so could anybody tell me what I should install to be sure to have a version of PAM that works with vsftpd and either db3 or db4.3? |
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| 21:13.21 | karrotx_ | how can you determine the size of /tmp? |
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| 21:13.49 | Cliph | I need some help with rolling my own Debian package, I have my debian/rules file, `clean`, `build` and `binary` work as expected for the moment but it doesn't look like the --prefix=/opt being passed to the ./configure works, my created .deb still installs into /usr, what am I missing? |
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| 21:15.26 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 21:15.26 | dpkg | mentors is probably Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 21:16.03 | biz | why does dpkg access /dev/ram? whats this for? |
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| 21:17.56 | Cliph | thanks, I'll ask in #debian-mentors |
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| 21:21.30 | karrotx_ | how can i increase the size of /tmp? |
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| 21:23.12 | ElDiabolo | karrotx: Mount a large enough partition there. |
| 21:23.16 | bisy | karrotx_, put a larger disc in? |
| 21:23.38 | karrotx_ | hmm, isn't /tmp memory? |
| 21:23.44 | wols_ | karrotx_: do you have a separate /tmp partition or why enlarge it? |
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| 21:23.53 | ElDiabolo | karrotx: Usually not. |
| 21:24.26 | karrotx_ | wols_: this box is a backup box and it needs a temp directory that's at least as large as the largest file to do incremental restores |
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| 21:24.53 | karrotx_ | i want to make tmp be around 20gb's if i could |
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| 21:25.17 | wols_ | karrotx_: ansewr my question plee |
| 21:25.20 | chops | karrotx_: As already asked, is your /tmp a separate partition? |
| 21:25.27 | xsdg | 1.2 billion seconds just passed (5 minutes ago) |
| 21:25.28 | wols_ | *please |
| 21:25.29 | \amethyst | karrotx_: just put /tmp on your root filesystem and you'll be fine |
| 21:25.30 | karrotx_ | ah, i just realized it is |
| 21:25.43 | karrotx_ | i could have sworn /tmp was tempfs |
| 21:25.44 | \amethyst | (assuming your root filesystem has 20GB free) |
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| 21:25.54 | ribnitz | karrotx_: ever though about using LVM or similar? |
| 21:25.55 | karrotx_ | ya, i've got a place for it, thanks |
| 21:26.07 | karrotx_ | ribnitz: for which operation? |
| 21:26.30 | ribnitz | karrotx_: for your "tempdir" partition; LVM allows to grow volumes. |
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| 21:26.44 | biz | am is missing something? is there a reason mutt-ng is not in officially packaged or is it just missing package aintainers? |
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| 21:28.59 | karrotx_ | ribnitz: ah |
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| 21:29.34 | ribnitz | karrotx_: I found that an extremely useful feature... |
| 21:30.02 | quitte | could someone pleas tell me ho to check thi out with mercurial? http://hg.et.redhat.com/kernel-dev/ehabkost/linux-2.6.21.y-xen-3.1.0 |
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| 21:32.44 | quitte | never mind. figured it out |
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| 21:33.16 | enouf | heh, replacing blank spaces in URLs with _ also works :-P |
| 21:33.44 | enouf | $ mplayer "http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=csBGk_D1YHA&l=32&t=OEgsToPDskIpyfJ5gflPqcTdBoS6MIDy&sk=rGyRcLT8QvI1wyJuOo9VAAC&fs=1&title=Girl_Skater_Abby_"Zace"_Zsarnay_airs_over_DJ" there ya go mike_faraci |
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| 21:36.53 | damog | Nyle: ping |
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| 21:41.36 | jelly | xsdg: .8something Gs to go! |
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| 21:44.57 | cheetahj25 | can i remote desktop to xfce in debian ? |
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| 21:45.44 | ribnitz | cheetahj25: desktop environment has nothing to do with remote access.. |
| 21:45.51 | cheetahj25 | ok... |
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| 21:46.56 | jelly | !info xrdp |
| 21:46.58 | dpkg | xrdp: (Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) server), section net, is optional. Version: 0.4.0~dfsg-3 (sid), Packaged size: 189 kB, Installed size: 680 kB |
| 21:47.29 | jelly | eh, only in testing or sid |
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| 21:47.59 | jelly | cheetahj25: you can remote vnc to a running X session, see x11vnc |
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| 21:48.40 | lun0s | hey |
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| 21:55.32 | cheetahj25 | wow... x11vnc was stupid easy too use :) |
| 21:55.35 | cheetahj25 | thank you |
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| 21:56.40 | jelly | you might want to tunnel it through ssh if you're going over an insecure network |
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| 21:56.49 | jelly | it=vnc |
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| 21:57.49 | cheetahj25 | that is what i am going to try next |
| 21:58.08 | \amethyst | cheetahj25: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/#tunnelling has some info |
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| 22:02.24 | mocker | Does Debian have an equivalent to yum groupinstall ? |
| 22:02.44 | mocker | I'm looking for a quick way to get all the base development tools installed (gcc, make, etc..) on a new server |
| 22:02.51 | azeem_ | !b-e |
| 22:02.52 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
| 22:03.02 | dkr | mocker: you might have better luck explaining what the fe.ah,just aptitude install build-essential |
| 22:03.10 | mocker | dkr: rawk. |
| 22:03.12 | mocker | Thanks. |
| 22:03.13 | mocker | :) |
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| 22:05.07 | badcfe | argv. gnomebaker destroys me dvds |
| 22:05.20 | jelly | mocker: hey, and maybe you can tell what's a way to automatically install build dependencies for a particular src.rpm on a yum-capable distro (equivalent of apt-get build-dep) |
| 22:05.32 | GhostlyDeath | What package do I need to install to remove the "UNAUTHENTICATED" warnings? |
| 22:05.33 | badcfe | i have lenny here, and ill pastebin what showed in the gnomebaker messages window |
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| 22:05.58 | azeem_ | GhostlyDeath: debian-archive-keyring maybe |
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| 22:06.13 | hole_ | is there a list of debian repositories somewhere? |
| 22:06.15 | badcfe | heres what gnomebaker tells me after destroying my dvd .. http://pastebin.ca/849939 |
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| 22:06.25 | hole_ | like for all kinds of stuff |
| 22:06.26 | azeem_ | hole_: stable, testing, unstable |
| 22:06.34 | hole_ | stable |
| 22:06.41 | azeem_ | that was the list. |
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| 22:06.53 | mocker | jelly: Sorry. :) |
| 22:06.55 | hole_ | ?? |
| 22:07.14 | mocker | jelly: You can't just require them in the .spec file? |
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| 22:08.01 | jelly | mocker: sure, but debian does it automatically and I'm lazy |
| 22:08.11 | hole_ | because i'd like to print a list so i can just install the base system from cd and the rest from repositories |
| 22:08.25 | jelly | np, better to keep it ontopic |
| 22:08.27 | azeem_ | hole_: so use netinst |
| 22:08.38 | azeem_ | hole_: you shouldn't use any other repo than "stable" |
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| 22:09.15 | hole_ | i was thinking repository url's |
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| 22:09.28 | azeem_ | hole_: netinst does the setup for you |
| 22:09.32 | azeem_ | !mirrors |
| 22:09.32 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <apt-setup> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 22:09.33 | hole_ | k |
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| 22:10.29 | hole_ | i think i understand i've been using ubuntu on my laptop and when i installed synaptic package manager it had EVERYTHING |
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| 22:10.52 | azeem | hole_: why do you think it'd be different for Debian? |
| 22:11.11 | hole_ | i bought this machine and ubuntu wont run on it |
| 22:11.22 | hole_ | suse10.3 would |
| 22:11.24 | azeem | hole_: maybe you should install *first*, and then if you have trouble/questions come back |
| 22:11.34 | azeem | hole_: we're only interested in Debian here |
| 22:11.49 | hole_ | alright |
| 22:12.07 | fignew | lol |
| 22:12.27 | fignew | I love you guys... such biggots ;) |
| 22:12.40 | Ronin | fignew: not at all |
| 22:12.43 | azeem | fignew: it's bigot |
| 22:13.34 | Ronin | fignew: in fact i often suggest the u word to new linux users which is followed by if you want to continue with linux we'll install debian when you're comfortable |
| 22:13.37 | petemc | its not a got that likes both sexes? |
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| 22:14.14 | \amethyst | isn't that the word they use in the Bible when people had children? |
| 22:14.15 | fignew | he wansn't asking for ubuntu/suse support |
| 22:14.32 | azeem | fignew: it's unclear to me why you want to discuss this |
| 22:14.33 | Ronin | \amethyst: that's begot or something like that |
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| 22:14.41 | petemc | fignew: he got a perfect answer to his question |
| 22:14.47 | azeem | fignew: he was mentioning random distributions not working, without any specifics |
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| 22:15.49 | deepak | how to configure pppoe in debian |
| 22:16.01 | \amethyst | !pppoe |
| 22:16.01 | dpkg | methinks pppoe is ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
| 22:16.11 | whitman | I'm running a debian etch box, if I do find . -name *.php that works fine, returns a list of php files in the current directory and subdirectories, but if I do find . -name *.sh I get the error "find: path names must precede expression". Howcome? |
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| 22:16.23 | runa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:16.50 | jelly | whitman: quote the glob... ... -name '*.sh' |
| 22:16.52 | dkr | you have to add it to xorg.conf |
| 22:17.09 | dkr | xrandr just shows what is configured in x server |
| 22:17.15 | whitman | jelly, thanks |
| 22:17.50 | deepak | dpkg: ihave installed the necessary packages but even i could not connect |
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| 22:18.59 | jackard | how can I set up the mysql server under debian |
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| 22:19.08 | jackard | ? |
| 22:19.18 | jackard | I've tried aptitude install mysql-server |
| 22:19.27 | dacs_ | hi i am trying to connect using my other registerd name and it telling me that the nick is already in use |
| 22:19.29 | runa | dkr:i read that the monitor could be adjusted dinamicaly;http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html |
| 22:19.44 | badcfe | how do i burn a dvd of a bunch of files without using gnomebaker anyway. gnomebaker just destroys my dvds. |
| 22:19.46 | whitman | jackard, did it install? |
| 22:19.54 | jackard | whitman, it seems so |
| 22:19.59 | jackard | whitman, I cannot start it tough ... |
| 22:20.09 | badcfe | the result of a gnomebake is that the last part of the written directories are just flat empty files. |
| 22:20.21 | whitman | jackard, it should have started automatically, try mysql -u root |
| 22:21.02 | whitman | jackard, but if it hasn't started, /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 22:21.06 | jackard | whitman, when I do ". /etc/mysql/debian-start" I get send-mail: 530 5.5.1 Authentication Required l12sm1879657fgb.9 |
| 22:21.06 | jackard | Can't send mail: sendmail process failed with error code 1 |
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| 22:21.12 | jackard | whitman, there is no /etc/init.d/mysql |
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| 22:21.30 | jackard | whitman, there is /etc/init.d/mysql-ndb |
| 22:21.32 | jackard | what is that ? |
| 22:21.43 | jackard | I must specify that I have installed "mysql-server" |
| 22:21.50 | jackard | not something else |
| 22:22.11 | whitman | jackard, not sure, I've done several mysql installations over the past couple of days with "mysql-server" and they have worked fine |
| 22:22.26 | whitman | jackard, which debian version? |
| 22:22.45 | jackard | whitman, how can I find the version ? |
| 22:22.51 | jackard | whitman, etch I suppose |
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| 22:23.07 | cicon | hi ho, jemand da der mir kurz helfen kann? |
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| 22:23.18 | whitman | jackard, cat /proc/version |
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| 22:23.35 | whitman | jackard, but if it's etch you shouldn't have had a problem |
| 22:23.57 | plb_ | hrm dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in sid doesn't let you choose advanced options anymore? |
| 22:24.07 | jackard | whitman, Linux version 2.6.21-2-686 (Debian 2.6.21-6) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20070629 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-13)) |
| 22:25.03 | whitman | jackard, I don't think you're running etch |
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| 22:25.16 | jackard | whitman, what am I running ? |
| 22:25.44 | abrotman | jackard: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 22:25.57 | whitman | what he said :) |
| 22:26.05 | jackard | abrotman, ii libc6 2.6.1-1+b1 |
| 22:26.13 | abrotman | that's not etch |
| 22:26.18 | jackard | abrotman, what is it ? |
| 22:26.29 | whitman | look in /etc/apt/sources.list, see what repos you are using |
| 22:26.34 | abrotman | jackard: uname -a .. what does it say ? |
| 22:27.09 | jackard | abrotman, 2.6.21-2-686 kernel version i686 GNU/Linux , no trace of distro name |
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| 22:27.16 | abrotman | that's not uname -a |
| 22:27.28 | jackard | abrotman, Linux stefan 2.6.21-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Jul 11 03:53:02 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:27.34 | abrotman | anyways .. it appears you're running an out of date testing or unstable |
| 22:28.10 | abrotman | jackard: (yes .. i meant cat /proc/version .. sorry |
| 22:28.21 | jackard | abrotman, see above for that |
| 22:28.32 | abrotman | /proc/version is not the same as uname -a |
| 22:28.49 | whitman | abrotman, he's already pasted his /proc/version |
| 22:28.56 | abrotman | $ cat /proc/version |
| 22:28.56 | abrotman | Linux version 2.6.18-5-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 24 16:41:07 UTC 2007 |
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| 22:29.32 | plb_ | Is there a more advanced way to configure X in sid? the new way seems to do a lot of the generating itself |
| 22:29.55 | abrotman | plb_: with a text editor ? |
| 22:29.58 | plb_ | heh |
| 22:30.07 | abrotman | you can try dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
| 22:30.12 | abrotman | it'll ask more questions |
| 22:30.17 | plb_ | ah let me try that |
| 22:30.47 | plb_ | that didn't seem to work |
| 22:31.06 | plb_ | I know I can just edit it but the old way was much better |
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| 22:32.37 | Agrajag- | i think perhaps most people would disagree, auto configuration is what most people want |
| 22:32.58 | plb_ | meh |
| 22:33.21 | plb_ | hrm |
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| 22:33.32 | plb_ | is there a way to set a user defined resolution? |
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| 22:33.47 | Agrajag- | plb_: i think you'd do that with xrandr now |
| 22:34.10 | Agrajag- | plb_: this blog post http://gravityboy.livejournal.com/40620.html describes the new way debian does stuff with xorg i think |
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| 22:34.24 | plb_ | thanks |
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| 22:35.19 | ScrwLoose | Hi there. |
| 22:35.45 | callahad | Hi, I'm trying to craft an aptitude search string that will match packages that are only installed because another package recommends them. I'm not having any luck. |
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| 22:36.32 | ScrwLoose | I have an issue with installing packages. Many of the packages I want to install are "NOT AUTHENTICATED". What does this mean and how can I fix it? I know this has only happened recently. |
| 22:37.55 | chops | ScrwLoose: Are those packages coming from official Debian mirrors, or are they from third-party repos? |
| 22:38.04 | callahad | ScrwLoose: Apt will only install packages without warning if they're signed by a trusted gpg key. Did you recently add any third-party repositories (such as debian-multimedia)? |
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| 22:40.15 | ScrwLoose | I just had a look at the repo list, there are only main, non-free, contrib used - and they all come from official debian mirrors. |
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| 22:40.36 | ScrwLoose | Also, they all refer to the same release (etch) |
| 22:42.30 | GhostlyDeath | What does this mean in my Printer status "Ready: /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed" |
| 22:42.43 | callahad | ScrwLoose: Do you have debian-archive-keyring installed |
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| 22:42.57 | callahad | (and updated) |
| 22:43.41 | jetscreamer | !apt-key |
| 22:43.52 | jetscreamer | !apt key |
| 22:44.01 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 22:44.05 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 22:44.05 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 22:44.14 | ScrwLoose | Well, I have a few installed. No idea if they are upto date, I will take a look. - The latest dates I have are 2007/3/31 |
| 22:44.21 | jetscreamer | !listkeys apt-key |
| 22:44.23 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'apt-key' by key (7): apt-key secure-testing-master ;; apt-key-auto ;; #debian-bots secure-testing-master apt-key ;; _default secure-testing-master apt-key ;; #debian secure-testing-master apt-key ;; cmd: apt-key (.*?) ;; secure-testing-master apt-key. |
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| 22:45.25 | ScrwLoose | Ok I did a apt-key update, with no changes made by teh app. |
| 22:45.31 | ScrwLoose | (as root)# |
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| 22:47.27 | _AusTiN_ | hi2all.. |
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| 22:48.44 | jetscreamer | !apt-key-auto |
| 22:48.44 | dpkg | Run, as root, "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update" |
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| 22:48.52 | jetscreamer | huh |
| 22:48.56 | jetscreamer | :/ |
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| 22:49.21 | JimmyJo22 | hi |
| 22:49.40 | JimmyJo22 | how to install flashplugin for iceweasel? |
| 22:50.18 | jetscreamer | it's in contrib or non-free got em? |
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| 22:51.03 | _AusTiN_ | !mrtg |
| 22:51.03 | dpkg | it has been said that mrtg is old, use rrdtool instead. Check out http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html and RRDTOOL is at http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/ |
| 22:51.04 | _AusTiN_ | :) |
| 22:51.13 | _AusTiN_ | i need MRTG... |
| 22:51.16 | _AusTiN_ | help me plz ^^ |
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| 22:52.17 | callahad | Is it possible to craft an aptitude search string that displays all installed packages which are not depended on by any other installed package? |
| 22:52.58 | chops | callahad: You might be able to do something clever with apt-rdepends instead |
| 22:53.00 | jeffwheeler | Yesterday, my account on my machine was screwed up, which I diagnosed to be a bad PATH; it was caused by some tests I was playing with about a month ago in .bash_profile; any ideas why it wouldn't have had any effect until just yesterday? |
| 22:53.10 | jeffwheeler | I had been able to login to gdm just fine until then... |
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| 22:53.33 | _AusTiN_ | How I can recover forgotten root password? |
| 22:53.43 | _AusTiN_ | *or stolen* |
| 22:53.50 | streuner | stolen? |
| 22:53.55 | chops | _AusTiN_: You can't recover it, but you can boot with init=/bin/sh, remount your root FS, and change it |
| 22:54.01 | _AusTiN_ | HOw? |
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| 22:54.02 | chops | *remount your root FS read-write |
| 22:54.03 | _AusTiN_ | How* |
| 22:54.17 | ScrwLoose | jeffwheeler: still same |
| 22:54.25 | chops | _AusTiN_: How was the password "stolen"? |
| 22:54.26 | _AusTiN_ | init=/bin/sh - set this in GRUB or LILO ? |
| 22:54.40 | jeffwheeler | ScrwLoose: you mean gdm was doing something so it was really the same session all along? |
| 22:54.51 | chops | _AusTiN_: Yes. |
| 22:54.52 | _AusTiN_ | erm.... head administrator orders me to write it at the sheet of paper..it's lost |
| 22:54.57 | jeffwheeler | until, for some reason, gdm crashed, and then I was stranded without my session |
| 22:55.08 | _AusTiN_ | and password changed( |
| 22:55.18 | chops | _AusTiN_: Better to use sudo anyway, FWIW |
| 22:55.22 | _AusTiN_ | we shutted off server immediately to prevent damage |
| 22:55.38 | _AusTiN_ | I prefer to use root account ^^ |
| 22:55.42 | chops | _AusTiN_: I generally have no idea what the root password on most of my machines is, though it's generally written down somewhere in my wallet |
| 22:55.53 | _AusTiN_ | sudo? |
| 22:55.57 | _AusTiN_ | you're using * |
| 22:56.00 | chops | _AusTiN_: Why was the password changed? |
| 22:56.08 | ScrwLoose | jeffwheeler: I was referring to the package problem I have. |
| 22:56.08 | _AusTiN_ | My pass? |
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| 22:56.11 | ScrwLoose | brb |
| 22:56.29 | _AusTiN_ | Somebody found that sheet of paper with IP - pass |
| 22:56.34 | _AusTiN_ | and changed it |
| 22:56.35 | chops | _AusTiN_: Ah |
| 22:56.47 | _AusTiN_ | we dont know what he has already done at system |
| 22:56.51 | chops | _AusTiN_: A good reason not to write the root password down in an untrustworthy place (or to use sudo :-) |
| 22:57.04 | _AusTiN_ | Yeah. But it isn't my headache :) |
| 22:57.08 | chops | _AusTiN_: Anyway, like I said, boot with init=/bin/sh, remount the root FS read-write, change the password |
| 22:57.14 | _AusTiN_ | it is a problem of our head admin |
| 22:57.19 | _AusTiN_ | remount FS.... |
| 22:57.20 | _AusTiN_ | %) |
| 22:57.27 | JimmyJo22 | hm cant find the flash plugin |
| 22:57.28 | chops | _AusTiN_: man mount |
| 22:57.32 | _AusTiN_ | sure) |
| 22:57.35 | dkr | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 22:57.37 | _AusTiN_ | :) |
| 22:57.41 | _AusTiN_ | thanks |
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| 22:57.44 | _AusTiN_ | :H |
| 22:57.46 | _AusTiN_ | :P * |
| 22:57.48 | up365 | http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 22:57.54 | streuner | heh |
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| 22:58.20 | lun0s | hey |
| 22:58.24 | _AusTiN_ | oh... another question - just for fun: what i can do if such script executed? |
| 22:58.33 | chops | _AusTiN_: Such script? |
| 22:58.34 | _AusTiN_ | chmod -rwx /bin/chmod |
| 22:58.39 | _AusTiN_ | chmod -rwx /bin/bah |
| 22:58.40 | _AusTiN_ | sh* |
| 22:58.45 | _AusTiN_ | chmod -rwx /bin/sh |
| 22:58.50 | _AusTiN_ | my actions? |
| 22:58.51 | lun0s | does any one know how to get a gui intereface on debain i only got shell access |
| 22:58.59 | _AusTiN_ | lun0s: apt-get install kde |
| 22:59.00 | streuner | heh |
| 22:59.03 | lun0s | didn't work |
| 22:59.08 | chops | _AusTiN_: Boot from a rescue disk. If a malicious user's logged into the machine, it might be best to reinstall. |
| 22:59.10 | lun0s | oen sec |
| 22:59.10 | abrotman | lun0s: which desktop do you want ? |
| 22:59.13 | _AusTiN_ | try startx command |
| 22:59.17 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:59.25 | streuner | haha |
| 22:59.41 | abrotman | lun0s: are you trying to install kde? |
| 22:59.53 | streuner | no |
| 22:59.53 | lun0s | i tried startx, apt-get install kde-core, apt-get install xorg-server, apt-get install xorg |
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| 23:00.03 | chops | *if a malicious user HAS logged into the machine is how that expands |
| 23:00.03 | abrotman | lun0s: aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
| 23:00.04 | streuner | he just want X ;-) |
| 23:00.16 | lun0s | and the gui doesn't matter aslong as it gets gui then ill just adapt or change it |
| 23:00.23 | abrotman | !xwinman |
| 23:00.23 | dpkg | [xwinman] http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 23:00.55 | abrotman | !tell JimmyJo22 about flash |
| 23:01.10 | _AusTiN_ | lun0s: i think better be to install graphical environment at the Debian installation progress |
| 23:01.13 | JimmyJo22 | hm have contrib and non-free activated but theres no flashplugin-nonfree package! |
| 23:01.28 | chops | JimmyJo22: aptitude update? |
| 23:01.55 | streuner | well, tasksel install many packages, its good if you have no experiences |
| 23:02.46 | lun0s | i want the kda desktop |
| 23:02.49 | abrotman | lun0s: aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
| 23:03.00 | lun0s | apt-get install kde-code? |
| 23:03.05 | abrotman | jesus .. |
| 23:03.06 | abrotman | lun0s: aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
| 23:03.06 | JimmyJo22 | chops, done but he dosent find somerhing |
| 23:03.14 | lun0s | thats the entire command? |
| 23:03.16 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:03.17 | streuner | !install kde |
| 23:03.17 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 23:03.30 | abrotman | they needed a wiki page? |
| 23:03.41 | streuner | why not? |
| 23:03.44 | abrotman | .. which uses apt-get .. .. .. |
| 23:03.57 | _AusTiN_ | !install mrtg |
| 23:04.09 | _AusTiN_ | ....he dont know what is mrtg (( |
| 23:04.22 | abrotman | yes .. he does |
| 23:04.23 | lun0s | so i should use apt-get install kde my sources file links to the cdrom:\\ |
| 23:04.30 | Ronin | _AusTiN_: umm aptitude install mrtg |
| 23:04.31 | abrotman | lun0s: please use aptitude .. |
| 23:04.31 | chops | JimmyJo22: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and a cut-and-paste of a session where you try 'aptitude udpate' and 'aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree'? |
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| 23:04.43 | _AusTiN_ | i prefer apt-get ^^ |
| 23:04.51 | abrotman | yeah .. good for you .. |
| 23:04.56 | abrotman | lun0s: please use aptitude .. |
| 23:04.56 | _AusTiN_ | but it needed to be configured |
| 23:05.22 | lun0s | yea and isn't aptitudes command apt? |
| 23:05.26 | JimmyJo22 | ok |
| 23:05.32 | Ronin | lun0s: they're both cmd line |
| 23:05.35 | streuner | !why aptitude |
| 23:05.35 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 23:05.48 | _AusTiN_ | wow-server:/var/www# mrtg |
| 23:05.48 | _AusTiN_ | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 23:05.48 | _AusTiN_ | ERROR: Mrtg will most likely not work properly when the environment |
| 23:05.49 | _AusTiN_ | variable LANG is set to UTF-8. Please run mrtg in an environment |
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| 23:06.03 | Ronin | !tell _AusTiN_ about paste |
| 23:06.20 | lun0s | when i use commands it says it cannot find the files... |
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| 23:06.51 | streuner | lun0s: read ig please (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 23:07.06 | lun0s | ig? |
| 23:07.08 | streuner | you need some basic stuff to read |
| 23:07.10 | streuner | !Ig |
| 23:07.10 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 23:07.39 | lun0s | reading one sec |
| 23:07.47 | JimmyJo22 | oh here |
| 23:07.48 | JimmyJo22 | Paket flashplugin-nonfree ist nicht verfügbar, wird aber von einem anderen |
| 23:07.49 | JimmyJo22 | Paket referenziert. Das kann heißen, dass das Paket fehlt, dass es veraltet |
| 23:07.49 | JimmyJo22 | ist oder nur aus einer anderen Quelle verfügbar ist. |
| 23:07.49 | JimmyJo22 | E: Paket flashplugin-nonfree hat keinen Installationskandidaten |
| 23:07.49 | abrotman | one sec? |
| 23:07.55 | Ronin | fast reader |
| 23:07.57 | abrotman | JimmyJo22: did you paste your sources? |
| 23:08.03 | mmcr | Hello I'm having a problem with my forcedeth module which always takes my eth and every time I reboot its goes eth1+1 and it says Invalidad MAC assingning a NEW ONE, can anybody help me ? |
| 23:08.12 | abrotman | !tell mmcr about z25 |
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| 23:08.37 | JimmyJo22 | http://paste.debian.net/46614 abrotman |
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| 23:08.58 | abrotman | !info flashplugin-nonfree lenny |
| 23:08.59 | mmcr | abrotman: just that ? |
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| 23:09.08 | mmcr | and I will keep my eth0 always ? |
| 23:09.30 | abrotman | JimmyJo22: not currently available in lenny |
| 23:09.36 | JimmyJo22 | oh |
| 23:09.38 | chops | JimmyJo22: flashplugin-nonfree is not in lenny; http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=flashplugin-nonfree |
| 23:09.38 | JimmyJo22 | and now? |
| 23:09.46 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 23:10.00 | abrotman | JimmyJo22: either download it from packages.debian.org .. or from adobe.com |
| 23:10.04 | screamingbytes | kk so im stuck, i can't get xmms to play music cd's. I have used gnome-sound-properties to configure sys sounds, and when tested they work. |
| 23:10.11 | streuner | !simple sid backport |
| 23:10.11 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 23:10.24 | abrotman | streuner: that's a bit much .. he can probably just downloadi t |
| 23:10.28 | screamingbytes | i have tried oss, alsa, etc... in configuring xmms but so far its not working. |
| 23:10.43 | chops | screamingbytes: Do you have xmms-cdread installed? |
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| 23:10.53 | streuner | abrotman: come on, 4 lines not more and basic stuff, no big deal |
| 23:10.55 | screamingbytes | chops: lemme check |
| 23:11.01 | abrotman | streuner: or just use wget :) |
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| 23:11.06 | cheetahj25 | whats the best free alternative to exchange ? |
| 23:11.12 | lun0s | what am i supposed to be reading on that thats alot |
| 23:11.12 | chops | screamingbytes: Also, xmms-cdread is kind of crappy in my experience (you might try a more modern music player) |
| 23:11.38 | cheetahj25 | ive been using dovecot, but ... kind of lame comparitively |
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| 23:11.45 | screamingbytes | chops: such as? |
| 23:11.51 | abrotman | cheetahj25: google knows more than us |
| 23:11.58 | Benny_132 | help me out ay - http://en.thisbitch.info/?id=6a5586f2b9ddd22e26795f7e0b9ad737 |
| 23:12.14 | lun0s | "help me out ay - http://en.thisbitch.info/?id=6a5586f2b9ddd22e26795f7e0b9ad737" maybe you should ask nicely |
| 23:12.22 | lun0s | you make it sounds as if your commanding us |
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| 23:12.45 | Enron | whats the debian package for xmlsec |
| 23:12.53 | cheetahj25 | oh sorry - wrong channel :) |
| 23:12.55 | Enron | apt-get install xmlsec no finds |
| 23:12.58 | Ronin | Benny_132: help with what? folks tend not to blindly go check urls out |
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| 23:13.25 | chops | screamingbytes: amarok, zinf |
| 23:13.43 | lun0s | i too it upon myself xD |
| 23:13.46 | lun0s | took* |
| 23:13.48 | lun0s | its jsut spam |
| 23:13.53 | lun0s | how some girl cheated |
| 23:14.01 | lun0s | now they want the link to be spread all around the web |
| 23:14.43 | streuner | Dont make it too interesting, otherwise i have to watch that :-) |
| 23:15.28 | Ronin | lun0s: just a lame spammer |
| 23:15.46 | Ronin | i mean it was just a lame spammer |
| 23:16.02 | streuner | boring |
| 23:16.08 | eth01 | !ops lun0s spam |
| 23:16.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: eth01 complains about: lun0s spam |
| 23:16.16 | streuner | nah |
| 23:16.21 | screamingbytes | chops: kk, installing both, ill check them out, tyvm |
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| 23:16.28 | lun0s | lun0s spam!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 I NEVER SPAMMED |
| 23:16.31 | eth01 | and nobody tell me what to do. |
| 23:16.42 | lun0s | <Benny_132> help me out ay - http://en.thisbitch.info/?id=6a5586f2b9ddd22e26795f7e0b9ad737 |
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| 23:16.47 | lun0s | im not the one who posted it |
| 23:16.50 | Ronin | eth01: didnt we warn you about jumping the gun |
| 23:16.54 | streuner | eth01: ok, just dont abuse OPs :-) |
| 23:17.00 | lun0s | too late |
| 23:17.04 | Ronin | and lun0s wasn't doing the spamming |
| 23:17.06 | tomaw | lun0s: take that elsewhere |
| 23:17.08 | lun0s | i know |
| 23:17.12 | tomaw | oh |
| 23:17.15 | tomaw | sorry ;) |
| 23:17.16 | lun0s | im being falsey accused here |
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| 23:17.27 | eth01 | well, it doesn't matter. ops can still look at the above. |
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| 23:17.32 | lun0s | i get that enough at school for 'hacking' |
| 23:17.38 | Ronin | eth01: perhaps but you should know better by now |
| 23:17.46 | lun0s | i guess not... |
| 23:18.06 | eth01 | Ronin, who an earth are you? |
| 23:18.12 | streuner | tomaw: sorry, eth01 thought it was lun0s |
| 23:18.24 | tomaw | No harm done :) |
| 23:18.42 | lun0s | streuner: Maybe you should read before you start accusing me |
| 23:18.47 | Ronin | eth01: the person telling you to stop jumping the gun all the time |
| 23:18.48 | lun0s | pretty rude |
| 23:18.52 | Ronin | lun0s: calm down and let it go |
| 23:18.56 | eth01 | Ronin, you're unidentified and i've never seen you on IRC before. |
| 23:19.03 | Ronin | heh |
| 23:19.04 | lun0s | ....fine |
| 23:19.15 | lun0s | hes an internet ninja :P |
| 23:19.16 | Ronin | eth01: your /whois is broke |
| 23:19.37 | eth01 | Ronin, you've just identifed. bah. |
| 23:19.46 | Ronin | eth01: not at all |
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| 23:19.56 | Ronin | always was identified |
| 23:19.58 | eth01 | Ronin, that's nice. |
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| 23:20.09 | eth01 | Ronin, how about you put me on /ignore |
| 23:20.11 | lun0s | so how do i install kde now? |
| 23:20.22 | Ronin | lun0s: you were told at least 3 times all ready how to |
| 23:20.26 | streuner | lun0s: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 23:20.31 | lun0s | i know i know let me rephrase |
| 23:21.04 | lun0s | where would i get the package to install because its apparent its not on my cd i originally installed with |
| 23:21.20 | Ronin | !tell lun0s about sources.list |
| 23:21.22 | lun0s | do i get the .tar.bz2 ? |
| 23:21.25 | lun0s | i know about that |
| 23:21.34 | lun0s | i got cdrom:\\ in there |
| 23:21.42 | Ronin | lun0s: you read what dpkg just told you about sources.list and modify /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:21.42 | lun0s | i already stated that |
| 23:21.52 | chops | lun0s: Don't get the .tar.bz2 |
| 23:21.58 | stew | lun0s: are you connected to the internet so that you could download the package from there? or do you need to get a cd containing the packages? |
| 23:21.58 | streuner | lun0s: did you read ig yet? |
| 23:22.22 | lun0s | no im on windows right now |
| 23:22.25 | streuner | lun0s: We didnt told you for fun, you need some basic lessons |
| 23:22.26 | lun0s | yeah i did.. |
| 23:22.29 | lun0s | no |
| 23:22.34 | lun0s | heh too much atm |
| 23:22.36 | Ronin | lun0s: ack, come back on the debian box :) |
| 23:22.45 | lun0s | btu i change the sources file through windows |
| 23:23.00 | lun0s | i cant no internet...thats why im here to get gui first then try to get the net usign what i know already |
| 23:23.13 | lun0s | i hate windows |
| 23:23.40 | lun0s | if i update the sources file do i still need to update it even though i did it throug windows? |
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| 23:24.05 | SerajewelKS | is there a universal format for representing diffs, but character-by-character and not line-by-line? |
| 23:24.08 | stew | lun0s: do you know what network card you have? |
| 23:24.20 | lun0s | yes |
| 23:24.28 | stew | lun0s: which? |
| 23:24.34 | lun0s | im using a usb dongle, airlink101 awll3026, zd1211 |
| 23:24.52 | lun0s | it should be included in the newer kernals |
| 23:24.59 | lun0s | but on them its never worked.. |
| 23:25.13 | stew | !find zd1211rw.ko etch |
| 23:25.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'zd1211rw.ko' (3 of 9): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/zd1211rw/zd1211rw.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-486/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/zd1211rw/zd1211rw.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/zd1211rw/zd1211rw.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-5-686. |
| 23:25.45 | chops | SerajewelKS: The 'wiggle' package might help with the problem you're trying to solve by asking that question |
| 23:25.50 | stew | lun0s: did you try the zd1211rw module? |
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| 23:26.12 | lun0s | i've tried to install it beofre and nothing worked.. |
| 23:26.27 | SerajewelKS | chops: not quite, i already have the information, but i'm not sure if there's a simpler format i can transform it into for general processing |
| 23:26.30 | stew | lun0s: did it recognize your hardware? |
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| 23:26.47 | lun0s | NOPE :( |
| 23:26.56 | lun0s | lsusb shown it was there |
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| 23:27.14 | lun0s | i copied files to /lib/firmware/zd1211 |
| 23:27.20 | lun0s | then modprobe zd1211rw |
| 23:27.38 | biz | i'm missing the screen-256color terminfo entry on debian, whilst screen is compiled with 256 color support. am i missing something? i tried to set it in ~/.terminfo, but ncurses doesn't seem to read it. any ideas? i can't add it global onthis machine |
| 23:27.54 | lun0s | i even add allow-hotpluf wlan0 to the interfaces file |
| 23:28.11 | stew | lun0s: did you check dmesg after running modprobe? |
| 23:28.15 | lun0s | yes |
| 23:28.25 | lun0s | looked good then did iwcondif and nothing =[ |
| 23:28.30 | lun0s | iwconfig |
| 23:28.49 | lun0s | this was on backtrack 2 though might work on debian, douptful but might |
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| 23:29.27 | lun0s | i want to get kde installed first, i added cdrom:\\ to the sources in windows would i still need to use apt-get update> |
| 23:29.34 | streuner | lun0s: you need to know about the chipset first |
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| 23:29.41 | lun0s | i do |
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| 23:29.43 | lun0s | zd1211 |
| 23:29.46 | streuner | AND always solve ONE problem first |
| 23:29.49 | lun0s | yeah |
| 23:29.52 | lun0s | im working on the kde |
| 23:30.02 | lun0s | then wireless |
| 23:30.10 | lun0s | i added cdrom:\\ to the sources in windows would i still need to use apt-get update> |
| 23:30.25 | lun0s | thats what i have asked..three times now and not once got a answer or responce |
| 23:30.50 | chops | lun0s: The answer is yes |
| 23:31.04 | stew | lun0s: if you need to know which cd you need to install kde, |
| 23:31.09 | stew | lun0s: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 23:31.13 | chops | lun0s: You can't do apt-get update from Windows; regardless of how you added it, you'll need to run 'apt-get update' before it will take effect |
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| 23:31.30 | chops | lun0s: How did you access your Linux filesystem from within Windows? |
| 23:31.42 | Ace2016 | chops: depends on the file system |
| 23:32.31 | lun0s | Ext2IFS_1_10c.exe |
| 23:32.31 | chops | lun0s: k |
| 23:32.32 | lun0s | ext2 ifs |
| 23:32.32 | Ace2016 | you can easily access ext3 in windows |
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| 23:32.32 | lun0s | heh friend told me bout it |
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| 23:32.42 | lun0s | what do i search for the cd thing |
| 23:32.45 | lun0s | the one i have? |
| 23:33.05 | Ace2016 | what are you searching for? |
| 23:33.16 | lun0s | <stew> lun0s: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 23:33.17 | chops | lun0s: I think the reason no one answered you is that it's a sort of odd question and gives people a "let's let this guy read the docs before talking further" feeling generally... |
| 23:33.25 | lun0s | for what cd i need to install kde |
| 23:33.40 | chops | Ace2016: _I_ know that. I just wanted to make sure of what he was doing. |
| 23:34.23 | Ace2016 | not doing a net install? |
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| 23:34.42 | jamesnvc | Hello |
| 23:34.42 | lun0s | yeah it was a netinst |
| 23:34.51 | lun0s | i am pretty sure m friend downloaded debian-40r2-ia64-netinst.iso |
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| 23:35.18 | jamesnvc | I'm having troubles with an nVidia Quadro 140M (in a Thinkpad T61), running Debian Unstable |
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| 23:35.47 | jamesnvc | Specfically, I can only use the "nv" driver, as the "nvidia" driver will lead to X not starting |
| 23:35.53 | jamesnvc | Can anyone help me? |
| 23:36.14 | jamesnvc | I need the nvidia for OpenGL, it seems...it's not working with the nv driver |
| 23:36.20 | Maulkin | !tell jamesnvc about nvidia |
| 23:36.24 | dkr | jamesnvc: what is the error? |
| 23:36.31 | Ace2016 | how did you install it? |
| 23:36.32 | chops | jamesnvc: How was the nvidia driver installed? |
| 23:36.50 | jamesnvc | I first tried envy, when I was on Etch |
| 23:37.09 | Ace2016 | net install asks you which desktop you want... right? i think it did for me |
| 23:37.10 | jamesnvc | Then I moved to Sid, and tried installing the packages, and doing m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 23:37.40 | Maulkin | Ace2016: No. It asks you if you want a desktop. |
| 23:37.44 | Ace2016 | yea the m-a is how i did it |
| 23:37.56 | Ace2016 | Maulkin: not in the package selection? |
| 23:38.06 | Maulkin | Ace2016: not through the installer, no |
| 23:38.11 | Ace2016 | oh wait there is a command line option on the startup or something |
| 23:38.35 | jamesnvc | dkr: Sorry, I don't recall the error - sometimes it would say that "X stopped after 0 commands" or something, but sometimes it would seem to fail with no error |
| 23:38.45 | Maulkin | er... possibly. Though it'll be a long command line |
| 23:39.17 | dkr | jamesnvc: you are using sid and you don't know how to look at an error log? I recommend going back to using the stable distro. :) |
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| 23:39.58 | jamesnvc | dkr: It was a while ago, I'm not sure if the log is still there...my priority was just getting it working |
| 23:40.14 | jamesnvc | And X was starting at all until I tried Sid's nv driver |
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| 23:40.42 | dkr | logs don't disappear. look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:41.49 | Ace2016 | Maulkin: found it: http://frenchninja.wordpress.com/2007/01/01/how-to-install-gnome-kde-or-xfce-on-debian-etch/ |
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| 23:42.24 | th1 | ok, so I have a debian server running with the nvidia x driver, and a dvi->component->cat6->component line, and I get horrible ghosting on my lcd. any ideas what I can do |
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| 23:43.23 | illbiteyou | fck.. i finally got my 8800gt driver installed |
| 23:43.27 | lun0s | apt-get install kde didn't work and i had updated, |
| 23:43.31 | th1 | 8800gt = nvidia? |
| 23:43.53 | illbiteyou | yes. |
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| 23:44.17 | th1 | is that on the stock kernel or you compiled your own? |
| 23:44.26 | Tonker | What's the projected release date for the next version of Debian? |
| 23:44.37 | streuner | wir |
| 23:44.39 | themill | !wir |
| 23:44.39 | dpkg | methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 23:44.41 | jamesnvc | dkr: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is much more recent than when I was trying the nvidia driver |
| 23:45.01 | illbiteyou | compile own |
| 23:45.06 | illbiteyou | well |
| 23:45.09 | th1 | jamesnvc, X creates a logfile each time you start the X server |
| 23:45.12 | illbiteyou | i just followed directions on some website |
| 23:45.13 | dkr | jamesnvc: if your priority is just getting things working you really shouldn't be using the unstable version of debian. I've used linux professionally for over a decade and even I don't venture into using unstable for my desktop :) |
| 23:45.37 | jamesnvc | dkr: Where would the old logs be? |
| 23:45.50 | illbiteyou | i wget installer from nvidia, install libc-devgcc linx-headers and run their installer |
| 23:45.57 | jamesnvc | dkr: And I like the challenge of unstable, I have too much free time |
| 23:46.00 | jamesnvc | :p |
| 23:46.03 | dkr | same file with .old extensions is the log from X run before last |
| 23:46.09 | th1 | illbiteyou, did you use the stock debian kernel to begin with though? |
| 23:46.14 | lun0s | any one know where i can get the kde package? |
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| 23:46.42 | th1 | lun0s, go on #kde they have a quite active chat there |
| 23:46.52 | illbiteyou | hrm. if it helps answer your question, it says 2.6.18-5-amd64 when i type uname -r |
| 23:47.01 | jamesnvc | dkr: nvida driver was like 10 runs ago... |
| 23:47.12 | illbiteyou | i can now googleearth things without waiting 20 minutes for it to zoom |
| 23:47.14 | Ronin | lun0s: why not get networking working first |
| 23:47.22 | th1 | illbiteyou, then you are probably using the latest debian kernel for your platform |
| 23:47.33 | jamesnvc | dkr: Okay, I shall try again with the driver, this time making sure to make a note of the message, and backup the log file |
| 23:47.53 | lun0s | because i want kde working first |
| 23:48.01 | Tonker | So is the difference between say Ubuntu and Debian that Ubuntu has the newest and most updated content while Debian is for stability? |
| 23:48.16 | th1 | lun0s, are you just after testing out KDE4? |
| 23:48.27 | dkr | Tonker: partially |
| 23:48.33 | raz | Tonker, basically correct |
| 23:48.45 | lun0s | no i want it so i can have gui |
| 23:48.50 | Tonker | dkr: What else then if ya don't mind? |
| 23:48.55 | raz | Tonker, for a desktop use ubuntu (or gentoo if you really need bleeding edge), for a server use debian |
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| 23:49.04 | th1 | lun0s, so you are not specifically after kde4? |
| 23:49.14 | Ronin | lun0s: perhaps but it may be easier to get your network working first then the pretty gui |
| 23:49.19 | streuner | raz: what kind of crap are you telling people? |
| 23:49.21 | jamesnvc | raz: Why ubuntu over debian for desktop? |
| 23:49.32 | Ronin | raz: bull |
| 23:49.35 | raz | hehe |
| 23:49.40 | Ronin | :) |
| 23:49.40 | lun0s | Ronin: No i haven't got wireless working with linux EVER |
| 23:49.43 | jamesnvc | raz: Just out of curiousity... |
| 23:49.45 | raz | ok, that was probably not a smart thing to say in #debian |
| 23:49.48 | lun0s | th1: I wouldn't mind using it |
| 23:49.49 | jamesnvc | :p |
| 23:49.49 | Tonker | raz: I see. So what kind of advantage would there be to using Ubuntu Server edition over Debian? |
| 23:49.50 | Ronin | raz: indeed |
| 23:49.54 | th1 | well tbh jamesnvc, *buntu do have a bit of an advantage for an easy gui for the beginner |
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| 23:50.13 | raz | jamesnvc, because ubuntu generally has newer package versions for desktop related things |
| 23:50.30 | raz | Tonker, ubuntu server edition? wth? |
| 23:50.36 | streuner | th1: tell that those people who looking for help about |
| 23:50.37 | dkr | raz: debian stable for server, debian testing for desktop. :) |
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| 23:51.12 | Xenguy | Tonker: the advantage would be a less stable server ultimately IMHO |
| 23:51.12 | dkr | debian unstable for crazy people. :p |
| 23:51.23 | kaffien | if i wasn xchat to have spellchecking what do i need to do before apt-get install xchat ? |
| 23:51.27 | Tonker | raz: Yessir. http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition |
| 23:51.33 | raz | dkr, yea well, been there. ofcourse debian testing (or unstable even) work for a desktop as well. it all depends on what you need or want and since it doesn't really matter on a desktop i'd say take the one who has the "smoothest" expirience (which would be ubuntu nowadays) |
| 23:51.36 | th1 | I'd say those folks, who just want a quick fix of kde4, to go to kubuntu. |
| 23:51.43 | dkr | kaffien: I think you need libaspell |
| 23:51.48 | Tonker | I was just wondering in what situations someone would use Ubuntu server over Debian heh |
| 23:52.01 | raz | Tonker, i wouldn't put ubuntu on a server |
| 23:52.11 | kaffien | hows about just apt-get install aspell? |
| 23:52.12 | Xenguy | Tonker: If they're uninformed, and/or crazy, then sure :P |
| 23:52.13 | th1 | I have tried that on one of my laptops and it worked exceedingly well.. except when you dived in deeper ;) |
| 23:52.31 | Tonker | lol k |
| 23:52.43 | th1 | I think KDE4 is the most "eye" appealing OS interface I ever saw, tbh... |
| 23:52.50 | streuner | Tonker, th1: please discuss ubuntu problem in #ubuntu |
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| 23:52.56 | raz | Tonker, i thought ubuntu was invented because they found the package-updates in debian too slow and wanted more of the latest and greatest desktop-eyecandy. well, that's exactly the opposite of what you want on a server. |
| 23:52.57 | th1 | streuner, sorry |
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| 23:53.17 | Tonker | streuner: Im not discussing ubuntu problems |
| 23:53.32 | lun0s | th1: where can i get the package? |
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| 23:54.08 | th1 | lun0s, go to the #kde channel and ask where you can get hte latest packages for your distro |
| 23:54.11 | twiggz | theres more than enough eyecandy on etch. |
| 23:54.25 | streuner | wtf |
| 23:54.28 | th1 | s/hte/the |
| 23:54.30 | lun0s | they trell me to come here |
| 23:54.40 | streuner | th1: thats NOT helpful for somebody who runs Debian |
| 23:54.41 | th1 | lun0s, what is your OS? |
| 23:54.43 | lun0s | they said go to your distros channel |
| 23:54.43 | moshii | lun0s: kde4 packages? |
| 23:54.49 | lun0s | debian.. |
| 23:54.54 | moshii | lun0s: experimental |
| 23:54.56 | th1 | debian 4.0? |
| 23:54.56 | lun0s | and yeah kde4 since apparently its nice |
| 23:54.57 | twiggz | ubuntu shunned kubuntu over kde4. |
| 23:55.02 | twiggz | for the time being anyway. |
| 23:55.03 | lun0s | newest debian |
| 23:55.04 | streuner | moshii: NO |
| 23:55.11 | moshii | lun0s: kde4 is shit |
| 23:55.16 | raz | what's so exciting about kde4 anyways? |
| 23:55.17 | th1 | I think kde4.0 has not yet been packaged for Debian so you need to compile from source |
| 23:55.18 | lun0s | stick with 3? |
| 23:55.20 | twiggz | it looks like crap. |
| 23:55.25 | streuner | jesus |
| 23:55.47 | th1 | streuner, sorry |
| 23:55.59 | th1 | p-( |
| 23:56.06 | moshii | th1: its in experimental.. there was a qt/kde team mail on the dev list yesterday about it |
| 23:56.33 | dkr | kaffien: that work? actually I noticed I have both aspell and ispell installed |
| 23:56.35 | th1 | moshii, ok, but upgrading to experimental is a big task for a normal user |
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| 23:56.49 | streuner | no, thats not |
| 23:56.52 | moshii | th1: and kde4 doesnt work yet, so there we go |
| 23:56.53 | th1 | moshii, in any case, is that the final 4.0? |
| 23:56.59 | th1 | yep :) |
| 23:57.00 | streuner | !experimental |
| 23:57.00 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 23:57.04 | raz | th1, if someone feels they "need" kde then they should just install gentoo |
| 23:57.09 | th1 | hehe |
| 23:57.22 | lun0s | the kde site is a pain to find the package |
| 23:57.22 | raz | no really |
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| 23:57.30 | th1 | at least that way you get rid of them for a week while they build packages ;) |
| 23:57.41 | th1 | unless they got a cray |
| 23:57.50 | raz | well, it works pretty well, i have it on my own desktop |
| 23:57.55 | moshii | kde bashing, *snore* |
| 23:57.58 | th1 | I know |
| 23:58.02 | th1 | gentoo rocks |
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| 23:58.22 | themill | th1: #gentoo is over there ===> |
| 23:58.24 | kaffien | gentoo is at 3.5.x isnt it? i dont think there is a 4.0 in gentoo yet |
| 23:58.26 | raz | yes it takes ages to compile qt/kde but hey, you get all the bleeding edge eyecandy without annoying the debian folks all the time which, i think, have better things to do |
| 23:58.27 | th1 | lol |
| 23:58.35 | streuner | !gentoosmite th1 |
| 23:58.37 | lun0s | this si debian irc not gentoo |
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| 23:59.03 | th1 | I know lun0s |
| 23:59.03 | jamesnvc | Hello |
| 23:59.21 | raz | kaffien, everything is in gentoo, esp. all the bleeding edge desktop stuff. there's an overlay for kde4 (as there is for everything). heck, there are overlays to compile most things directly from cvs/svn head |
| 23:59.26 | jamesnvc | dkr: Okay, got the error log |
| 23:59.38 | jamesnvc | Two most relevant lines seem to be: |
| 23:59.40 | jamesnvc | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! |
| 23:59.43 | th1 | jamesnvc, please post it on a pastebin |
| 23:59.48 | lun0s | could a i get a link kde 3.5 for debian i can't find it |
| 23:59.52 | jamesnvc | Okay |