| 00:00.17 | abrotman | there's also one on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:00.33 | iyurael | abrotman: thx, so I don't have to spam the mainchannel xD |
| 00:00.37 | indigo196 | one other question abrotman -- on sound |
| 00:00.57 | indigo196 | with SUSE I was able to get all four speakers working, under Debian 'etch' this is not working |
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| 00:01.40 | indigo196 | I have the Intel DP965LT main board... is there a driver I need to load after the initial install in Debian? |
| 00:02.04 | xand | indigo196: a driver for what? |
| 00:02.04 | abrotman | indigo196: i'd guess it's an alsa setting .. check the alsa-project.org website |
| 00:02.06 | wols_ | snd-hda-intel |
| 00:02.09 | xand | oh |
| 00:02.13 | xand | nevermind |
| 00:02.27 | indigo196 | yeah... that would work... wols is that just in apt-get? |
| 00:02.52 | wols_ | indigo196: it's part of your kernel package and on your hdd already |
| 00:02.57 | wols_ | !alsa |
| 00:02.57 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist> |
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| 00:04.11 | indigo196 | ok... then it should be working... the mixer does not show anything beyond the front speakerss though. |
| 00:04.29 | Ace2016 | !!!Happy New Year!!! |
| 00:04.42 | wols_ | indigo196: as abrotman told you, check alsa-project.org |
| 00:04.54 | osmosis | how do I find out what the install does differently from debootstrap? |
| 00:05.12 | indigo196 | ok wols... had done that but perhaps I missed something. |
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| 00:05.26 | wols_ | osmosis: why should it do something differently? |
| 00:05.42 | wols_ | or rather: why should the result be different? |
| 00:05.52 | osmosis | wols_: well..for one, it sets up a link for the timezone. |
| 00:06.04 | osmosis | wols_: doesnt it also install logrotate ? |
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| 00:06.07 | Wyzard | osmosis: The installer does debootstrap plus some additional steps beyond |
| 00:06.22 | abrotman | and you know .. is bootable :) |
| 00:06.26 | osmosis | Wyzard: yah..i just want to know what those additional steps are so that I can run them on my debootstrap install. |
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| 00:06.50 | wols_ | osmosis: install grub to make the system bootable |
| 00:07.17 | Wyzard | osmosis: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 00:07.59 | osmosis | Wyzard: hmm..maybe some of its in there. Maybe I can just find the script that the install runs and read the actual code. |
| 00:08.37 | osmosis | but no big deal, my system works fine with debootstrap also. I was just caught offguard by not having some things like rsync installed by default, and logrotate not running ...my drives were getting filled up. |
| 00:09.00 | oakxx | automatix ftw |
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| 00:09.31 | Wyzard | debootstrap just installs the base system, not the "standard" package selection or optional additional tasks |
| 00:09.43 | Wyzard | You can do that yourself with tasksel though |
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| 00:10.36 | osmosis | Wyzard: does the installer install the "standard" package selection from tasksel ? |
| 00:10.51 | abrotman | it's checked by default |
| 00:10.56 | osmosis | how can I see what is in "standard" ? |
| 00:11.05 | Wyzard | It's been awhile since I've run the installer, but IIRC it gives you tasksel with the standard task checked by default |
| 00:11.16 | Wyzard | You can check additional tasks, or uncheck the standard one, before continuing |
| 00:12.14 | abrotman | osmosis: tasksel --task-packages standard |
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| 00:13.08 | oakxx | if anyone relaly looked into it, and i have, they would know that the linux elitests hate automatix cos it eats into their job security. otherwise its all |
| 00:13.08 | oakxx | These issues are primarily cosmetic and in themselves are unlikely to |
| 00:13.08 | oakxx | cause any harm to the system. |
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| 00:13.18 | oakxx | cosmetic crap |
| 00:13.19 | Wyzard | !ops oakxx automatix spammer |
| 00:13.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wyzard complains about: oakxx automatix spammer |
| 00:13.28 | dlynes | is there a way to downgrade back to etch 4.0r1 from etch 4.0r2? |
| 00:13.42 | oakxx | i was spammed first by dkpg |
| 00:13.43 | osmosis | oakxx: uhh..what is so great about automatix ? |
| 00:13.44 | dlynes | 4.0r2 borks zaptel/wanpipe |
| 00:13.48 | abrotman | dlynes: you can try to force the package to downgrade .. |
| 00:13.52 | abrotman | dlynes: borks how ?> |
| 00:13.58 | oakxx | flash 32 working in 64 is whast so great |
| 00:14.04 | Wyzard | dlynes: The 'r' updates are just rolling the security updates into the out-of-the-box install |
| 00:14.05 | oakxx | find another way adn ill paypal you money |
| 00:14.06 | abrotman | !nspluginwrapper |
| 00:14.07 | dpkg | hmm... nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in <contrib> on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 00:14.12 | dlynes | abrotman: tells me that my card doesn't exist when asterisk tries to use it |
| 00:14.12 | abrotman | i'll take that money |
| 00:14.24 | abrotman | dlynes: did you rebuild the zaptel driver? |
| 00:14.27 | peterS | wait, why are we talking about automatix? is it debian? |
| 00:14.29 | Ace2016 | >>>>>>>>>>> !!!Happy New Year!!! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< |
| 00:14.38 | abrotman | peterS: no .. it's not! |
| 00:14.39 | dlynes | abrotman: yes, several times...tried multiple zaptel versions, too |
| 00:14.42 | oakxx | yes it is |
| 00:14.47 | oakxx | there is a debian only release of it |
| 00:14.48 | dvs | Ace2016: it's not New Years until Dick Clark says so. ;-) |
| 00:14.49 | oakxx | derp |
| 00:14.52 | peterS | oakxx: they should just call it debian then |
| 00:14.56 | abrotman | it's not in debian .. it's not part of debian |
| 00:14.57 | Ace2016 | who is that? |
| 00:14.58 | dlynes | abrotman: tried 1.4.5.1, 1.4.6, 1.4.7, 1.4.7.1 |
| 00:15.01 | oakxx | lol |
| 00:15.05 | abrotman | dlynes: does it fail to build |
| 00:15.06 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:15.15 | dlynes | abrotman: 1.4.5.1 works fine on 4.0r1 |
| 00:15.28 | oakxx | thats fine, keep telling yourself that, im going to go skype and watch some youtube with my flashplayer |
| 00:15.29 | abrotman | dlynes: m-a a-i zaptel ? |
| 00:15.35 | dlynes | abrotman: no...build works just fine, but I do get a complaint that I dont' think i got before |
| 00:15.41 | dlynes | abrotman: m-a a-i? |
| 00:15.46 | abrotman | at least he'll shut up |
| 00:15.50 | abrotman | dlynes: module-assistant |
| 00:15.52 | peterS | dlynes: m-a is the command you get when you install module-assistant |
| 00:16.06 | dlynes | abrotman: and what exactly is that? |
| 00:16.11 | abrotman | !m-a |
| 00:16.11 | dpkg | [module-assistant] a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
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| 00:16.25 | abrotman | !info zaptel-source etch |
| 00:16.27 | peterS | !m-a =~ s/DEB/.deb/ |
| 00:16.27 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'DEB', peterS |
| 00:16.31 | dpkg | zaptel-source: (Zapata telephony interface (source code for kernel driver)), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.11.dfsg-1 (etch), Packaged size: 902 kB, Installed size: 1064 kB |
| 00:16.38 | peterS | !module-assistant =~ s/DEB/.deb/ |
| 00:16.38 | dpkg | peterS: OK |
| 00:16.41 | peterS | kthx |
| 00:16.45 | abrotman | nhehe |
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| 00:17.03 | dlynes | abrotman: and then did you want me to do something with it? |
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| 00:17.39 | iyurael | when typing: uname -r i get: 2.6.18-5-486. There is Version 4, isnt it? Should I download and reinstall? |
| 00:18.55 | abrotman | dlynes: it should install the zaptel driver |
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| 00:19.47 | Wyzard | iyurael: The difference from -4 to -5 was security fixes... why do you want to downgrade that? |
| 00:19.50 | dlynes | abrotman: i don't want to install a super old version of zaptel, though |
| 00:20.36 | iyurael | Wyzard: I thought it was about the first number, cause my version lying here was a half year old I guess. But so...thanks :-) |
| 00:21.18 | Wyzard | iyurael: I'm talking about 2.6.18-4-486 vs. 2.6.18-5-486 |
| 00:22.21 | iyurael | on Debian.org I read about Debian 4.0. I thought I have 2.6. But I know what you mean too(I guess*G*) |
| 00:22.25 | abrotman | dlynes: i'd at least try it to see if it works |
| 00:22.38 | abrotman | dlynes: otherwise .. you have to downgrade and hold all the r2 packages |
| 00:22.58 | dlynes | abrotman: how long of a process is the downgrade and hold? |
| 00:23.02 | Wyzard | iyurael: 2.6.18 is the version of the Linux kernel, which is just one component in the collection of packages that is Debian 4.0 |
| 00:23.29 | iyurael | ah, it's just the kernel. okay. |
| 00:23.36 | abrotman | dlynes: uhm .. depends on the system .. but it's really not a great idea ... all kinds of security issues |
| 00:24.16 | dlynes | abrotman: so basically, i'm probably screwed? |
| 00:28.21 | Lewoco | How do I specify a name server for a static interface in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:28.51 | robin | you dont |
| 00:28.55 | Wyzard | Lewoco: That goes in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:28.58 | robin | well, no, you do |
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| 00:29.11 | robin | it goes in reolv.conf, but its not interface specific |
| 00:29.19 | robin | resolv.conf even |
| 00:29.22 | Wyzard | Lewoco: Unless you use the "resolvconf" package, which lets you put lines in your interfaces file to be used for dynamically generating resolv.conf |
| 00:29.30 | Lewoco | Wyzard: Yes I have resolvconf |
| 00:29.50 | Lewoco | Wyzard: But I can't find anywhere in the man page that describes what lines it allows me to add to interfaces |
| 00:29.51 | Wyzard | Lewoco: then read /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/README.gz |
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| 00:30.28 | robin | just bear in mind they are not specific to that interface, if you see what I mean |
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| 00:31.02 | wols_ | you can specify the nameserver in /etc/network/interfaces too |
| 00:31.09 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: abrotman no luck making the mini mirror any other ideas? |
| 00:31.28 | Wyzard | Lewoco: Specifically, section 3.4 in that file |
| 00:31.53 | Lewoco | Wyzard: Got it. Thanks. |
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| 00:33.09 | mfrisch | how do I reinstall my complete box? |
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| 00:37.25 | AMDFreak | mfrisch: dpkg -i --reinstall | dpkg -l and grep all package names in a pipe or some thing, i think |
| 00:37.58 | Wyzard | That's not really a full reinstall |
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| 00:38.25 | Wyzard | mfrisch: What do you need to reinstall for? |
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| 00:43.12 | Lewoco | Is it possible to add an alias for a domain name? For example let's say I want 'g' to resolve to the same IP that 'www.google.com' resolves to. |
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| 00:43.52 | dvs | Lewoco: I thought that's what the keyword is for in Firefox |
| 00:43.57 | mfrisch | Wyzard: got s |
| 00:44.24 | Lewoco | dvs: I'm not using firefox. |
| 00:44.36 | mfrisch | Wyzard: got a selections file just want the packages again...can't figure out how to get them |
| 00:44.49 | mbroeker | Lewoco, there is a change to change the resolver |
| 00:44.56 | mbroeker | a chance |
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| 00:45.10 | Wyzard | Lewoco: DNS "CNAME" records are sort of like symbolic links for domain names, but to create one you'd have to be running a customized DNS server on your network |
| 00:45.38 | osmosis | Wyzard: customized? CNAME is pretty standard. very standard. |
| 00:45.46 | Wyzard | Lewoco: A shortcut like that would be better done with a browser feature (such as Firefox's "keyword" thing, but I'm sure it can be done with other browsers too.) |
| 00:45.59 | Wyzard | osmosis: yes, but there's no "g CNAME www.google.com" in the public DNS |
| 00:46.35 | osmosis | oh, i missed the earlier part. |
| 00:46.40 | Wyzard | It'd have to be set up privately on your network's own DNS server |
| 00:46.45 | dvs | Wyzard: I think Lewoco wants to do that from, say, the terminal with ping or something |
| 00:47.01 | Lewoco | Wyzard: What firefox keyword thing? When I type 'g test' into Opera's address bar it does a google search, but AFAIK firefox has never had this feature. |
| 00:47.33 | Wyzard | Lewoco: I don't use Firefox either (I use Epiphany) but I'm pretty sure it's supported |
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| 00:48.13 | Wyzard | Lewoco: You'd create a "smart bookmark" (the kind that accepts a parameter to be inserted into the URL, like a search term) and then go to the bookmark's properties and type "g" in the Keywords box |
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| 00:50.02 | Wyzard | I know the keywords feature exists (I discovered it a few days ago in plain Mozilla) and I'm guessing about using a smart bookmark being the right way to make the keyworded bookmark accept parameters, like "g foo" to do a Google search for "foo" |
| 00:51.38 | mavhk | you right click on a search field in a web page with firefox and Add Keyword For This Search |
| 00:51.50 | Wyzard | oh, that's even more convenient |
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| 00:52.01 | mavhk | best feature noone knows about |
| 00:53.15 | AMDFreak | in Firefox go to "about:config" and search Keyword |
| 00:53.27 | Lewoco | mavhk: That's awesome. Thanks. |
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| 00:54.55 | AMDFreak | keyword.URL standard string http://google.com or someting |
| 00:55.11 | AMDFreak | keyword-enabled Stadard boolean true |
| 00:55.44 | AMDFreak | And this will open google when no url is typed in only some words |
| 00:56.10 | AMDFreak | and will put in these words in google search |
| 00:56.22 | Lewoco | Incidently is there a way to recursively sort bookmarks? |
| 00:56.50 | sandman | Can Debian-arm be installed on a Sharp Zaurus SL-5600? |
| 00:57.59 | AMDFreak | sandman: when this is a arm processor it should be |
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| 01:03.06 | sandman | Would anyone be interested in helping me install Debian-ARM on my Sharp Zaurus SL-5600? |
| 01:03.12 | sandman | It would appear that there aren't any official instructions. |
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| 01:07.25 | Lewoco | gah, Why doesn't apt-cacher cache the package list? |
| 01:08.38 | Bushmills | sandman: join #handhelds, they support familiar and intimate, which is in my understanding a full debian (based?) distribution for arm based devices |
| 01:09.37 | kgoetz | Lewoco: it probably does, just they change |
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| 01:11.00 | Bushmills | sandman: debian based. have a look here: http://intimate.handhelds.org/ |
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| 01:14.53 | anon6490 | ehlo |
| 01:15.06 | tome | hvery 1980s... |
| 01:15.25 | anon6490 | what is very 1980's? |
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| 01:16.24 | tome | ; ) what's up |
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| 01:16.55 | anon6490 | it's new years eve! |
| 01:17.01 | anon6490 | happy new years everyone |
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| 01:17.02 | billyoc | happy new years! |
| 01:17.34 | billyoc | anon6490: my apartment is 1 block from Times Square. lol |
| 01:17.55 | anon6490 | that is so ridiculously awesome! i'm so jealous |
| 01:18.12 | anon6490 | i live in queens, and i've never gone, fear of getting squished i suppose |
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| 01:19.55 | anon6490 | I would feel out of place having so much fun, this holiday has been somewhat depressing |
| 01:19.56 | jpin | Hi, i have an interesting problem: when I turn on my laptop, i run fgl_glxgears and the window doesn't show up. Then i run glxgears (runs ok), and the i try again fgl_glxgears and voila, it works! What can this be? |
| 01:20.42 | anon6490 | yay someone with a relevant question |
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| 01:26.17 | x_link | Good night and happy new year to you guys! |
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| 01:27.54 | sandman | Does anyone know which website has that web-install for installing Debian? |
| 01:28.00 | sandman | Something like ditch-microsoft.org or something |
| 01:28.07 | sandman | I forget what it was, I was just wondering if anyone knew about it |
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| 01:28.35 | Kevin` | goodbye-microsoft |
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| 01:28.47 | aFlag | I'm 4800 miles from times square |
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| 01:29.19 | JockeTF | Happy new year. ^_^ |
| 01:29.31 | Tramp | aFlag: so you won't make it, even if you hurry. |
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| 01:32.20 | aFlag | I have a delorean |
| 01:32.20 | ybeddyj | i have compiled 2.6.24-rc6 and installed it but when i try to install nvidia drivers it complained that it cant detect my linux version i'm thinking i need to install the kernel headers or the source(even though the sorce directory is still in place) how do i get the nvidia to work ? |
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| 01:33.28 | robin | !tell ybeddyj about nvidia one-liner |
| 01:33.30 | BaD-Laptop | heh, /usr/src/linux needs to be a symlink to /usr/src/linux-2.6.24-rc6 |
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| 01:34.56 | ybeddyj | ok ill try that i thought i didnt ned to create that symlink anymore |
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| 01:35.09 | obnauticus_ | hey, I installed the bluetooth package from aptitude, how do i enable it now? |
| 01:35.14 | obnauticus_ | i did modprobe bluetooth |
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| 01:36.01 | brif8 | I have just managed to install debian onto a USB stick with encrypted FS thanks to feraga.com. I'm now loading gnome, gnome-core and x-window-system. How can I get a graphical look when linux loads like Ubuntu & windows does with the sliding scroll bar looking thing? |
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| 01:38.35 | billyoc | brif8: that splash screen is an Ubuntu thang. |
| 01:39.00 | brif8 | ibillyoc: thanks is there a debian equiv ? |
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| 01:39.46 | ybeddyj | ok another newbie question... i've being wondering if i just add a new piece of hardware too my system ... say a network card or a video capture card...lets say this card already had builtin support in the kernel but it was compiled as a module...if i didnt know the name of the module how woult it /i get working? |
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| 01:42.24 | ybeddyj | corr** ok another newbie question... i've being wondering if i just add a new piece of hardware to my system ... say a network card or a video capture card...lets say this card already had builtin support in the kernel but it was compiled as a module...if i didnt know the name of the module how would i go about getting it working? would it be loaded automatically? |
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| 01:45.22 | |elppa| | What's the best way of installing a lenny package onto etch when there's no package in backports? |
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| 01:46.54 | Lewoco | Is there a way to see the popularity of a package using aptitude? |
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| 01:48.02 | grazz | |elppa|, i just switch the repositories, apt-get install package, and then switch back to etch |
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| 01:50.28 | muh2000 | a happy new apt-get update year to all :) |
| 01:50.31 | simonrvn | !popcon |
| 01:50.32 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
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| 01:51.36 | asdfa | on the first debian iso does anyone know if it includes laptop support ? |
| 01:51.51 | asdfa | the laptop option I mean |
| 01:51.53 | asdfa | to install |
| 01:52.21 | cusco | err dunno |
| 01:52.25 | asdfa | I will have no internet so I want to make sure I get the right cds |
| 01:52.33 | robin | so, what is there , Linux based, for laying out documents for print, like Adobe inDesign, but Linux based? |
| 01:52.51 | robin | or do I have to go back to 'doze for that? |
| 01:52.56 | cusco | Im sure the desktop instalation is enough |
| 01:52.58 | cusco | :p |
| 01:53.23 | asdfa | how do you check what packages are included on the cd? |
| 01:53.25 | simonrvn | |elppa|: ^^^ see what dpkg said |
| 01:53.47 | asdfa | is there a pkg list somewhere |
| 01:54.01 | simonrvn | !cd contents |
| 01:54.01 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 01:54.28 | asdfa | thanks |
| 01:55.32 | inazad | Which distro is the best for a LAN Party server ? (games) |
| 01:56.06 | simonrvn | ask in ##linux |
| 01:56.12 | Gotenks | argh, i'm trying to set up internet connection sharing... testing on my ubuntu desktop, but going to set it up on my debian server |
| 01:56.45 | Gotenks | my internet is my wireless card, and my lan is on my NIC |
| 01:57.44 | Kevin` | Gotenks there's a package you can install that will do everything for you for a standard setup, but if your doing this for a permanent setup just add the one or two firewall rules for nat and enable ip forwarding |
| 01:58.23 | Gotenks | ipforwarding is what i'm trying to do |
| 01:58.35 | Gotenks | i've done it on windows but not linux |
| 01:59.08 | Kevin` | windows using the "ICS" stuff or windows using the proper routing and remote access/dhcp server, etc? |
| 02:00.47 | Tramp | !ipmasq |
| 02:00.47 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 02:05.46 | soulrider | hello, i can only find isos for the stable release, are there any isos for the testing release? |
| 02:05.47 | Gotenks | sorry Kevin` i stepped away |
| 02:05.53 | Gotenks | ics stuff :( |
| 02:06.22 | Gotenks | thank you Tramp |
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| 02:06.49 | Tramp | Gotenks: np |
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| 02:08.40 | itchi | soulrider: Take a look on http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 02:08.57 | itchi | soulrider: The second bullet list |
| 02:11.57 | Bushmills | robin, most text processors can write pdf. in addition, printing can also "print" to pdf file. |
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| 02:12.14 | Bushmills | print system |
| 02:12.22 | itchi | Heh, htop does't start up anymore, i only get "Aborted. Please report bug at http://htop.sf.net#" |
| 02:13.19 | Bushmills | robin, check out abiword (lightwright), or openoffice (not lightweight) |
| 02:14.32 | Bushmills | robin, then there is passepartout, "Desktop Publishing Application", of which I know nothing at all |
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| 02:15.32 | Bushmills | inazad: shouldn't really make a lot of difference. |
| 02:16.27 | Bushmills | inazad: they are all linux, after all. differences between don't describe their usefulness for that application, but how comfortable you are with one |
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| 02:17.08 | inazad | ok |
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| 02:18.17 | abrotman | dlynes: no |
| 02:18.26 | abrotman | mfr? |
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| 02:19.44 | dlynes | abrotman: fwiw, it seems to be an issue with zaptel/asterisk....I haven't narrowed down the problem yet |
| 02:19.55 | dlynes | abrotman: gotta run for now, though |
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| 02:24.00 | realone | i have problem |
| 02:24.03 | realone | with xwine |
| 02:24.53 | Faithful | what's the time in tx ? |
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| 02:26.32 | robin | Bushmills, thank, i'll look, abiword is more of a word-processor really, rather thana page layout app |
| 02:26.49 | robin | same applies to openoffice ... |
| 02:27.00 | Bushmills | that's right |
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| 02:28.01 | robin | I have Ooo already, looking for something more like inDesign, a page layout tool |
| 02:29.05 | Bushmills | robin, latex maybe, but that won't resemble to what you're used to at all |
| 02:30.01 | realone | i have Problem |
| 02:30.10 | realone | with xwine |
| 02:30.29 | robin | I have Adobe Pagemaker at home, and have used inDesign at work, Pagemaker is old and poor, indesign is lovely, but expensive |
| 02:30.41 | Bushmills | realone: do you want to hear "congratulation" or "so sorry"? |
| 02:30.42 | abrotman | robin: scribus |
| 02:30.51 | robin | hoping to find something linuxy and good, bit necc. free though |
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| 02:30.54 | robin | scribus? |
| 02:30.57 | abrotman | !info scribus etch |
| 02:30.59 | Tramp | !tell realone about ask |
| 02:31.01 | dpkg | scribus: (Open Source Desktop Publishing), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2.5.dfsg-5+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 5381 kB, Installed size: 15920 kB |
| 02:31.04 | abrotman | scribus also runs on win32 |
| 02:31.35 | abrotman | robin: you might want to check the website first |
| 02:31.36 | abrotman | !scribus |
| 02:31.37 | dpkg | from memory, scribus is a DTP program for Linux. Still under construction, but quickly progressing |
| 02:31.39 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 02:32.01 | abrotman | !scribus is also http://www.scribus.net/ |
| 02:32.01 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 02:32.12 | realone | i have install xwine with apt-get and aptitude but he don't worck |
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| 02:35.45 | ThePuppetMaster_ | hello @all |
| 02:36.15 | ThePuppetMaster_ | anyone know a way to show the number of threads in use about a application? |
| 02:43.30 | billyoc | ThePuppetMaster_: ps will do it. |
| 02:43.38 | ThePuppetMaster_ | i cant see the number |
| 02:45.30 | ThePuppetMaster_ | i only see: USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND |
| 02:46.45 | billyoc | ThePuppetMaster_: what options are you passing to ps? |
| 02:46.45 | |elppa| | klfgdkj |
| 02:46.52 | ThePuppetMaster_ | ps aux |
| 02:46.52 | billyoc | lol |
| 02:47.14 | |elppa| | I don't undertsand Debian's apache2 package |
| 02:47.27 | |elppa| | The config file is renamed to apache2.conf? |
| 02:47.51 | |elppa| | And the sites have aliases in /etc/apache2/sites-available/? |
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| 02:47.57 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 02:48.35 | Azar | uh I just got in and wols fell off the wire |
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| 02:50.16 | ThePuppetMaster_ | billyoc, and? .. a idea? |
| 02:50.19 | abrotman | Azar: he does that all the time |
| 02:50.30 | Azar | abrotman! :) happy new year! |
| 02:50.33 | abrotman | ThePuppetMaster_: there's a tree mode |
| 02:50.35 | abrotman | Azar: not yet |
| 02:50.44 | Azar | yah not yet here either |
| 02:50.52 | ThePuppetMaster_ | abrotman, tree mode? |
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| 02:51.34 | abrotman | ps auxef ? |
| 02:51.50 | abrotman | i'm not sure that's quite right |
| 02:52.07 | robin | hmmm |
| 02:52.21 | robin | scribus is hmm "in the early stages" ;) |
| 02:52.37 | Azar | OSNews must sorely missing Debian news if they got publishing a regular Debian Etch update |
| 02:52.40 | simonrvn | aux or -ef |
| 02:52.50 | ThePuppetMaster_ | abrotman, ok .. will works . but not as number ... well.. its ok |
| 02:52.51 | simonrvn | i use auxw or -ef |
| 02:52.58 | ThePuppetMaster_ | thx |
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| 02:53.56 | abrotman | you're special! |
| 02:54.05 | Azar | :D |
| 02:54.16 | simonrvn | i guess apache2-mpm-event qualifies as a thread mpm ... *sigh* |
| 02:54.25 | simonrvn | threaded* |
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| 02:54.58 | simonrvn | u'r speschul |
| 02:55.16 | robin | hmmm |
| 02:55.41 | abrotman | robin: did you try it? |
| 02:55.45 | robin | abrotman, ahh, point taken re scribus website, they have a MUCH later deb in a repository for etch |
| 02:55.49 | abrotman | robin: are you robin_sz ? |
| 02:55.55 | robin | abrotman, the etch standard variant is a bit basic |
| 02:56.05 | robin | abrotman, normally, yes I am |
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| 02:56.28 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:56.32 | robin | abrotman, just upgrading to the latest variant, looks a lot better |
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| 02:59.10 | enouf | ThePuppetMaster_: f == forest, try pstree with -lunap options maybe |
| 02:59.37 | enouf | ThePuppetMaster_: htop also , toggle f5 |
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| 03:03.31 | PaulTT | Hi -- how can I see the list of drives installed on my system? |
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| 03:04.34 | ice63 | df |
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| 03:04.48 | ThePuppetMaster_ | enouf, perfect .. thx! |
| 03:05.01 | enouf | ;-) |
| 03:05.43 | PaulTT | is there something other than df? |
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| 03:07.23 | ThePuppetMaster_ | enouf, can i select a PID to show only this process as looped tree? |
| 03:07.25 | obnauticus | Does anyone here know where one can obtain the bluetooth libraries/headers ? |
| 03:08.20 | billyoc | !bluez |
| 03:08.34 | enouf | ThePuppetMaster_: in which htop? |
| 03:08.38 | obnauticus | well i have bluez and im trying to configure chan_mobile with asterisk if you are firmilliar with the asterisk-addons. |
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| 03:09.00 | obnauticus | and i got bluez and everything (i got the bluetooth pakcage from aptitude) and it's still saying i do not have all the dependencies (bluetooth) |
| 03:09.02 | ThePuppetMaster_ | enouf, htop? |
| 03:09.11 | enouf | ThePuppetMaster_: space bar will highlight it, once you move the line highlight there using Up/Down arrows |
| 03:09.14 | billyoc | !bluez-utils |
| 03:09.20 | obnauticus | I have bluez-utils. |
| 03:09.36 | obnauticus | As I said before I got the bluetooth package from aptitude :\ |
| 03:09.46 | enouf | ThePuppetMaster_: you'll have to read the docs for pstree then i guess, not sure what you're after |
| 03:09.48 | obnauticus | In my makefile I have this (looking for the bluetooth libs) |
| 03:09.49 | obnauticus | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.58 | ThePuppetMaster_ | is htop a command? ... if yes then i cant find it on my debian |
| 03:10.10 | abrotman | you have to install it |
| 03:10.12 | Tramp | !installit |
| 03:10.13 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 03:10.29 | ThePuppetMaster_ | k ... i apt it |
| 03:11.30 | ThePuppetMaster_ | WOW .. whats for a nice tool |
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| 03:14.39 | robin | abrotman, thanks for that, the urrent release of Scribus seems to be just what I need, cheers dude |
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| 03:15.01 | abrotman | robin: enjoy! |
| 03:15.14 | robin | abrotman, can I say thanks for all the help over 2007 too, much appreciated |
| 03:15.32 | robin | the same goes to the rest of the regulars too ;) |
| 03:16.06 | abrotman | robin: you better hurry up before the year is over! |
| 03:16.08 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:17.16 | Tramp | what's the last place to reach 08 - Hawaii? |
| 03:18.03 | ThePuppetMaster_ | thx for help @all |
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| 03:19.22 | PaulTT | thank you! |
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| 03:23.27 | robin | heh :) the year is 3:23 minutes over already here |
| 03:24.08 | epsilon | ha! 4:23 :-) |
| 03:24.25 | robin | Tramp, nah, there are places in the world still trying to make it as far as 1972 yet, Hawaii is miles ahead |
| 03:24.26 | ThePuppetMaster_ | epsilon, here too |
| 03:25.04 | ThePuppetMaster_ | epsilon, u are from britain? |
| 03:25.13 | epsilon | na, CET |
| 03:25.25 | ThePuppetMaster_ | ? |
| 03:25.27 | Tramp | robin: well, I get the point, but I strictly meant calendar-date 8) |
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| 03:25.47 | epsilon | ThePuppetMaster_: you are not geek enough to understand :D |
| 03:25.55 | ThePuppetMaster_ | lol |
| 03:26.15 | ThePuppetMaster_ | your na i know but not your CET to say me where you from |
| 03:26.26 | ThePuppetMaster_ | :] |
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| 03:30.37 | PaulTT | How can I repartition a live server (without formating the disk) so that /var is much larger than it currently is? |
| 03:30.49 | Gotenks | is there a way to access network resources on eth0 while accessing internet on eth1? |
| 03:31.05 | PaulTT | (I guess a resizing of partitions) |
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| 03:32.46 | Tramp | hmm, No. UTC-11 is the latest (inhabited) TZ (Samoa). Honolulu is UTC-10, UTC-12 is uninhabited. |
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| 03:34.50 | niru | happy new year |
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| 03:35.13 | Tramp | PaulTT: (g)parted is the usual answer to your question. But plan for disaster-recovery when fscking around with partitions |
| 03:36.03 | PaulTT | thanks |
| 03:36.04 | niru | Tramp, hi |
| 03:36.15 | Gotenks | Tramp, you don't have this answer for me do you? |
| 03:36.21 | ThePuppetMaster_ | well .. thx for help .. and happy new year |
| 03:36.24 | niru | Tramp, I have espeak installed whenever I open it and open a file to read it quits |
| 03:36.25 | PaulTT | also, second question--what is the recommended method to backup a dying hard disk? dd or cp? |
| 03:36.27 | niru | why is it so |
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| 03:37.16 | Tramp | niru: sorry, no idea. |
| 03:37.40 | abrotman | Gotenks: yes you can |
| 03:37.55 | Gotenks | how? |
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| 03:38.23 | abrotman | Gotenks: are eth0 and eth1 different networks ? |
| 03:38.34 | Gotenks | yes |
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| 03:38.50 | Gotenks | eth0 is wired into my router, eth1 is wireless internet |
| 03:38.59 | abrotman | add a route .. make sure it's not your default gateway .. and give it a netmask etc |
| 03:39.15 | Kevin` | where is the script in the debian startup that sets up (messes up) the kernel keymap? |
| 03:39.48 | abrotman | it's probably a config file in /etc/default/ |
| 03:40.24 | dondelelcaro | Kevin`: it's /etc/rcS/S05keymap.sh, and if it's setting it wrongly, fix /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz appropriately. |
| 03:40.41 | Gotenks | abrotman, i don't quite understand |
| 03:41.25 | Tramp | Kevin`: keymap.sh |
| 03:41.54 | Tramp | oh, late me |
| 03:42.23 | Kevin` | hmm, I dont seem to have that |
| 03:43.42 | dondelelcaro | Kevin`: uh... are you actually running Debian? Do you have console-common installed? |
| 03:44.10 | Kevin` | dondelelcaro really really. installed from debootstrap though |
| 03:44.24 | dondelelcaro | Kevin`: then you may not have installed console-common. |
| 03:44.50 | Kevin` | i'm going to reboot and see if its still messed up |
| 03:47.36 | Gotenks | abrotman, what am i looking for in /etc/default? |
| 03:47.43 | abrotman | that wasn't for you |
| 03:48.30 | Gotenks | lol ok |
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| 03:49.10 | ybeddyj | corr** ok another newbie question... i've being wondering if i just add a new piece of hardware to my system ... say a network card or a video capture card...lets say this card already had builtin support in the kernel but it was compiled as a module...if i didnt know the name of the module how would i go about getting it working? would it be loaded automatically? |
| 03:51.16 | abrotman | it should get loaded |
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| 03:53.41 | Vasistha | isn't there a way to make a .deb as an alternative to running 'make install' ? |
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| 03:54.35 | Gotenks | so abrotman how do i determine which network it's working on? |
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| 03:56.48 | Rhizome | the route command would determine that unless the application is bound to a specific interface. |
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| 04:00.45 | abrotman | what is it? |
| 04:01.06 | abrotman | Vasistha: make it a package? |
| 04:01.22 | Vasistha | abrotman: exactly |
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| 04:01.41 | abrotman | i'm telling you .. make it a package :) |
| 04:02.10 | Vasistha | abrotman: ah - how? :) |
| 04:02.10 | abrotman | !mg |
| 04:02.10 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 04:02.10 | Vasistha | thanks! |
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| 04:03.37 | Vasistha | abrotman: wow, this is not trivial :P |
| 04:03.59 | Vasistha | oh well, neither was creating my own initramfs image last week |
| 04:04.14 | Rhizome | Great way to learn ;) |
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| 04:06.46 | y | !raid1 |
| 04:06.46 | dpkg | well, raid1 is a single mirrored raid with a minimum of two drives |
| 04:06.55 | y | !raid1 documentation blows. |
| 04:07.37 | abrotman | documentation ? |
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| 04:10.16 | y | !http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman-raid |
| 04:12.33 | y | i'm sure its very well detailed but I don't have clue one how to follow it |
| 04:14.02 | duder-ugh | is there a switch or something to pass to apt-get upgrade to not update certain packages (ie; kernel stuff)? |
| 04:14.14 | abrotman | y: stop using the ! all the time |
| 04:14.24 | abrotman | !tell duder-ugh about hold |
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| 04:14.46 | duder-ugh | thank you kind sir :) |
| 04:15.54 | Vasistha | is there a way to control gz compression level with tar? |
| 04:16.09 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: yes |
| 04:16.38 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: mind sharing the trick? I don't see any such options in 'man tar' |
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| 04:18.29 | PaulTT | Okay all, I need some help wrapping my mind around this one. I had debian installed on a remote server and the installer made oddly sized partitions that are useless to me. I need to dramatically increase the size of /var and in turn, I don't need /home to be large--what would be the best way to accomplish this? |
| 04:18.46 | PaulTT | can I swap /home and /var? is it that simple? |
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| 04:19.05 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: it's in the info manual, iirc. I forget the precise option. Worst comes to worst, you can use the --use-compress-prog option |
| 04:19.41 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 04:20.20 | Rhizome | PaulTT: sure you can, just remember to copy with -p to perserve file settings, or look at 'man resize2fs' |
| 04:21.23 | PaulTT | Rhizome: So would I simply cp -rp /var to I dunno... /usr as a temporary slotholder and then cp -pr /home to /var then /usr/tempvar to /home? |
| 04:21.32 | PaulTT | ...and then update /etc/fstab? |
| 04:21.33 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: you can also do it by using something like tar -xf - foodir |gzip -dc > blah.tar.gz |
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| 04:23.52 | Rhizome | PaulTT: yup, the best way would ofcourse be to do it from a live cd or while your booted in single user mode, but i doubt it would cause any problems either way. |
| 04:24.06 | PaulTT | hmm.. how do I boot in single user mode remotely? |
| 04:24.12 | Rhizome | ah right |
| 04:24.16 | PaulTT | can I? |
| 04:24.23 | Rhizome | you dont have a network kvm switch? ;) |
| 04:24.29 | PaulTT | Yes, I do. |
| 04:24.49 | abrotman | PaulTT: does the system boot at all ? |
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| 04:25.27 | PaulTT | abrotman: Yes, the system is booted and running |
| 04:25.36 | abrotman | what do you want single user for ? |
| 04:25.50 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 04:25.58 | PaulTT | If you recall from earlier, my hard drive failed. Sys admins at the datacenter put in a new drive however partitioned oddly |
| 04:26.12 | abrotman | let's beat them up! |
| 04:26.21 | PaulTT | so.. /var is like... too small.. whatever 2885780 1-k blocks is ;) |
| 04:26.36 | PaulTT | because the web files in /var/www take up much more space than that |
| 04:26.41 | PaulTT | and I don't use /home at all |
| 04:26.44 | abrotman | df -h |
| 04:26.56 | abrotman | you could just ln -s /var/www/ to /home/www/ |
| 04:27.26 | ameyer | I'd do what abrotman says |
| 04:27.27 | abrotman | or change the DocumentRoot to /home/www/ |
| 04:27.41 | ameyer | maybe file a bug against d-i |
| 04:27.53 | PaulTT | hmm. |
| 04:28.02 | abrotman | yeah .. i'd probably change the DocumentRoot |
| 04:28.07 | PaulTT | an interesting proposition |
| 04:28.15 | PaulTT | well.. that would involve editing the configuration of way too many programs |
| 04:28.21 | PaulTT | I'd rather go through the trouble of switching the partitions |
| 04:28.22 | abrotman | why? |
| 04:28.30 | abrotman | then do the ln -s |
| 04:28.35 | abrotman | they shouldn't know the difference |
| 04:28.48 | abrotman | (unless they have some DoNotFollowSymLink thing) |
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| 04:28.53 | Rhizome | if its a production system then the ln way is definetly the safest ;) |
| 04:29.19 | PaulTT | Rhizome: well, it's a production system out of production ;) |
| 04:29.32 | abrotman | it's on vacation |
| 04:29.34 | PaulTT | Is there a reason why switching the partitions would be bad? |
| 04:29.44 | abrotman | other than you're remote ? |
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| 04:29.49 | PaulTT | yes. |
| 04:29.55 | PaulTT | but, I do have console access through KVm |
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| 04:31.31 | Rhizome | PaulTT: You should consider xen or VMware server.. if one off my harddisks would crash its simply a matter off copying a .img file and booting it on another hardware ;) |
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| 04:37.30 | Gotenks | abrotman, i take it you are not sure of the answer for me? |
| 04:38.08 | abrotman | Gotenks: you have to set up eth0 |
| 04:38.22 | abrotman | have you done that yet? |
| 04:38.22 | Gotenks | ? |
| 04:38.26 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 04:38.26 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 04:38.32 | Gotenks | it was my internet connection |
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| 04:38.57 | Gotenks | i added a wireless because my neighbor is providing my internet now (he's letting me use his) |
| 04:39.22 | abrotman | and that's eth1 |
| 04:39.27 | abrotman | right ? |
| 04:39.30 | Gotenks | yes |
| 04:39.38 | Gotenks | eth1 is a usb wireless device |
| 04:39.45 | abrotman | okay .. so setup eth0 to use your network .. |
| 04:40.07 | Gotenks | ok....... |
| 04:40.18 | Gotenks | which is what i'm trying to do.... |
| 04:40.20 | abrotman | give it an IP and a netmask |
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| 04:40.50 | abrotman | hi jt |
| 04:42.00 | Vasistha | hmph, I am having an increasingly difficult time justifying to myself why I am not just running 'make install' |
| 04:42.04 | jetscreamer | hey dude |
| 04:42.28 | abrotman | Vasistha: it's just like any other reason to use package management |
| 04:42.33 | abrotman | Vasistha: what software is this ? |
| 04:43.08 | Vasistha | abrotman: the free pascal compiler, I'd like to try the svn 2.3.1 version to see if it works better for a specific task |
| 04:43.19 | abrotman | there is a pascal compiler in debian |
| 04:43.24 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 04:43.30 | Vasistha | heh :) |
| 04:44.10 | abrotman | !info fpc sid |
| 04:44.13 | dpkg | fpc: (Free Pascal Compiler -- Meta Package), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.2.0-dfsg1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 04:44.19 | Vasistha | I already added sid main to my sources.list so I could try the 2.2.0 version :P |
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| 04:45.12 | PaulTT_ | wee |
| 04:45.33 | PaulTT_ | I apparently have been lagging and have seen 0 replies ;) |
| 04:45.46 | abrotman | disconnected ? |
| 04:46.13 | PaulTT_ | in any case, to move the partitions, SU mode is recommended? |
| 04:46.21 | Vasistha | PaulTT: 15 mins ago: [20:30] * PaulTT pets drac III -- and after that there was one reply |
| 04:46.46 | Gotenks | ok, it won't let me configure the NIC |
| 04:46.54 | PaulTT_ | apparently it was not happy with the drac III java applet ;) |
| 04:46.56 | Vasistha | PaulTT_: you'll want to drop to runlevel 1 to do an operation like that |
| 04:47.08 | PaulTT_ | how does one enter runlevel 1? |
| 04:47.10 | itchi | How does spammers get other ip's? |
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| 04:47.31 | PaulTT | home is a 57G partition and var is 3G |
| 04:47.33 | PaulTT | I don't need any space for home |
| 04:47.34 | PaulTT | and this is a web server |
| 04:47.36 | PaulTT | where logs and such are hefty |
| 04:47.37 | PaulTT | and all live in var |
| 04:47.39 | PaulTT | I'd have to link /var/log |
| 04:47.41 | itchi | I have there are bastard that has already used 308 diff ip's |
| 04:47.41 | PaulTT | etc. |
| 04:47.43 | PaulTT | I think I'd just rather switch the two |
| 04:47.44 | PaulTT | unless you all think that would be a Really Bad Thing (tm) |
| 04:47.46 | PaulTT | hmmm |
| 04:47.47 | PaulTT | so... |
| 04:47.50 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 04:47.50 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 04:47.50 | PaulTT | !single user mode |
| 04:47.51 | dpkg | # telinit 1, or reboot and choose "single-user mode" from the GRUB menu, or add '1' to the lilo boot prompt 'LILO: linux 1' enter. |
| 04:47.52 | PaulTT | ? |
| 04:47.53 | PaulTT | grr. |
| 04:48.12 | PaulTT_ | ... what in the world was that? |
| 04:48.21 | veda | Debian can be installed without an active network? |
| 04:48.36 | Vasistha | veda: sure, even with the netinst cd you can install a base system |
| 04:48.39 | itchi | veda: If you have the first (or two) cd's, yes |
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| 04:49.04 | PaulTT_ | so.. I'd simply type telinit 1 and I'll be in single user mode? |
| 04:49.14 | Vasistha | PaulTT_: yeah |
| 04:49.28 | itchi | veda: Without net and with the netinstall, you should install the standard system later with tasksel standard, once you get the network |
| 04:50.01 | veda | itchi: Is a WM included on the cd iso? |
| 04:50.08 | PaulTT | Vasistha: When I'm finished, how do I exit single user mode and go back? |
| 04:50.16 | itchi | veda: On which cd? |
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| 04:50.24 | Vasistha | PaulTT: init 2 |
| 04:50.26 | itchi | veda: There are different type's of install cd's |
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| 04:50.27 | n-iCe | hi |
| 04:50.33 | n-iCe | how can I uninstall postgsql ? |
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| 04:50.41 | veda | itchi: The first installation cd. |
| 04:50.41 | Vasistha | n-iCe: with aptitude |
| 04:50.42 | n-iCe | postgresql |
| 04:50.54 | n-iCe | Vasistha how? is there a command? |
| 04:50.56 | itchi | veda: There should. See /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 04:51.07 | Vasistha | veda: there are several "first" installation cd's; the "default" one has gnome |
| 04:51.16 | PaulTT | Vasistha: That seems rather simple. |
| 04:51.16 | n-iCe | aptitude-remove postgresql ? |
| 04:51.20 | PaulTT | I suppose I should do this from console? |
| 04:51.25 | jetscreamer | init 1 |
| 04:51.33 | itchi | n-iCe: Take the debian reference ;-) |
| 04:51.46 | jetscreamer | tyype init 1 in console |
| 04:51.58 | Vasistha | PaulTT: well, you'll probably want to end your X session first, then ctrl-alt-f2 or whatever, login as root, and init 1 |
| 04:52.23 | n-iCe | pls |
| 04:52.27 | Vasistha | n-iCe: or perhaps: aptitude purge postgresql |
| 04:52.34 | itchi | n-iCe: It's for you're own good that i said it ;-) |
| 04:52.47 | veda | Vasistha: The CD iso, on get.debian.org |
| 04:53.11 | itchi | n-iCe: Do you know that aptitude has a text user interface? |
| 04:53.12 | veda | Vasistha: I'm looking for a minimalistic approach to running linux, simply for testing and development purposes. |
| 04:53.26 | Vasistha | veda: as we have said -- there are several. Have you already downloaded one of them or are you trying to decide which to download? |
| 04:53.33 | itchi | veda: Setup a apt-cacher |
| 04:53.44 | veda | Vasistha: I'm trying to make a decision. |
| 04:54.17 | Vasistha | veda: ah, well if you want minimalistic, perhaps you want the xfce one |
| 04:55.26 | veda | Vasistha: Gnome works; but which iso to install? |
| 04:55.27 | PaulTT | hmm.. it has a hard time with me typing a "-" |
| 04:55.28 | itchi | veda: You can install apt-cacher on one box who has 5-10 GB to much free space. So that you modify the /etc/apt/sources.list of your clients where this point to the apt-cacher server. You will download once the needed .deb's and these will be leaved on the apt-cacher server. The second machine you setup will fetch the package of that server; that said, it will "download" the packages much more faster |
| 04:55.48 | veda | itchi: Sounds like a plan =) |
| 04:55.50 | itchi | Vasistha: Minimal is fluxbox for me :-p |
| 04:56.09 | PaulTT | "Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0x0 on isa0060/serio0)." |
| 04:56.26 | itchi | veda: apt-cacher is very easy to setup. I use that for all my boxes at home. And especially when i setup a virtual machine with vmware. To avoid bandwidth wasting |
| 04:56.50 | veda | Hmm, alright. |
| 04:57.15 | veda | I'll be running it on a VM (until I get a new cd/dvd drive) |
| 04:57.35 | Vasistha | veda: gnome is on the cd-1.iso |
| 04:57.52 | veda | Vasistha: alrighty. |
| 04:57.59 | Vasistha | veda: ...kde is on kde-cd-1, and xfce on xfce-cd-1, as you might quess ;) |
| 04:58.00 | itchi | veda: 8.7G /var/cache/apt-cacher But i use stable, testing, and bit of unstable. |
| 04:58.25 | veda | Vasistha: I don't like kde/xfce. |
| 04:58.28 | veda | Gnome works fine. |
| 04:58.38 | veda | itchi: ;p |
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| 04:59.02 | itchi | I don't know what people don't like on fluxbox. Appart that it is a bit pain to get it "configured" the first time |
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| 04:59.38 | itchi | Well, the bastard use 350 diff ip's |
| 04:59.51 | itchi | Does tor allow that much of different ip's? |
| 05:00.09 | itchi | allow or provide |
| 05:00.10 | Rhizome | I like fluxbox, i dont need anything else, well except idesktop for a few icons :P |
| 05:00.44 | veda | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/ia64/bt-cd/ (No Gnome CD-1..) |
| 05:00.55 | abrotman | you don't have ia64 |
| 05:01.02 | abrotman | and it's on the first regular CD |
| 05:01.04 | Rhizome | But sometimes i think i should be using Kde or Gnome only so i can get used to them since i always recommend it to people. |
| 05:01.16 | Gotenks | abrotman, ok it has an IP, but i cannot connect to the net |
| 05:01.21 | Gotenks | network |
| 05:01.22 | veda | abrotman: There isn't an IA64 build, with gnome? |
| 05:01.28 | veda | abrotman: I have IA64. |
| 05:01.29 | abrotman | veda: do you have itanium ? |
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| 05:01.38 | veda | abrotman: Intel core 2 duo. |
| 05:01.42 | cizzi | happy new years |
| 05:01.45 | abrotman | yeah .. that's not ia64 |
| 05:01.46 | itchi | Rhizome: I have some desktop icons here too, but i never use it :-) I just press mod4+e and get grun |
| 05:02.13 | abrotman | !tell veda about amd64 |
| 05:02.32 | abrotman | veda: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/amd64/bt-cd/debian-40r1-amd64-CD-1.iso.torrent .. is the one you want .. |
| 05:02.36 | itchi | Rhizome: Gnome and KDE is that easy to use heh |
| 05:02.42 | abrotman | that has the main parts of gnome on it |
| 05:03.00 | itchi | abrotman: How would you do to steal ip's? |
| 05:03.10 | veda | abrotman: Thanks for the tip. |
| 05:03.23 | abrotman | itchi: whowhat? |
| 05:03.37 | jetscreamer | spoof? |
| 05:03.44 | itchi | abrotman: I have a f* spammer that spam my stuff. He is already on 350 diff ip's :-( |
| 05:03.51 | abrotman | spam what stuff? |
| 05:04.14 | jetscreamer | ddos |
| 05:04.16 | Vasistha | veda: although you may actually want the 32-bit i386 |
| 05:04.28 | itchi | abrotman: My web stuff. At least he try, and he should get a spammer error on the page. It's just that my apache log grow to much |
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| 05:04.36 | veda | Vasistha: Yeah, contemplating on that. I really wanted to try out the 64 bit branch. |
| 05:04.45 | veda | Blah. |
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| 05:05.40 | jariep1_ | hi |
| 05:05.45 | itchi | jetscreamer: Well the thing has never yet crashed at all. He want to spam on articles on my website. There is a captcha + custom system to avoid spammers. But these stupid guys still continue to try |
| 05:05.57 | veda | Well, thanks a lot. |
| 05:05.59 | veda | :) |
| 05:06.00 | Vasistha | veda: just yesterday a couple guys were talking about that ... |
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| 05:06.49 | n-iCe | Vasistha aptitude purge postgresql didn't remove all |
| 05:07.01 | itchi | Well 354 diff ip's right now. f* b* stupid guys heh |
| 05:07.23 | jetscreamer | aptitude purge postgresql* |
| 05:07.33 | abrotman | itchi: is your website really that important ? |
| 05:07.38 | JordiGH | fucking bitch stupid guys? |
| 05:07.42 | JordiGH | fucking bastard? |
| 05:07.45 | itchi | Bah, i don't realy care, i have wrote a script that auto DROP it with iptables. But i'm gona drop the world if these continue |
| 05:08.12 | abrotman | Gotenks: did you give it a route? |
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| 05:08.29 | Gotenks | it found the dhcp |
| 05:08.37 | abrotman | can't use dhcp |
| 05:08.42 | abrotman | it will change your default route |
| 05:08.47 | Gotenks | ok |
| 05:08.49 | abrotman | or you have to change your default route after it comes up |
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| 05:09.09 | Gotenks | the wireless is still connected as internet connection |
| 05:09.10 | itchi | abrotman: No, just my own stuff. http://dvm.zapto.org:8080/r00t/ (my Home Page). My new project http://dvm.zapto.org:8080/pyguicms/ where my articles are and that the old model http://dvm.zapto.org:8080/guicms/ |
| 05:09.13 | abrotman | or see if there's an option in the dhcp client config to not change the default route |
| 05:09.20 | n-iCe | how to install the last postgrqsl version |
| 05:09.25 | abrotman | itchi: so just shut it down for the night |
| 05:09.29 | Gotenks | but the other nic has my old ip again (192.168.1.4 |
| 05:09.30 | n-iCe | postgresql |
| 05:09.31 | abrotman | n-iCe: aptitude install postgresql |
| 05:09.35 | Vasistha | n-iCe: huh? you just asked us how to remove it... |
| 05:09.40 | itchi | abrotman: Bah, i don't like that :-p |
| 05:09.48 | abrotman | itchi: okay |
| 05:10.00 | itchi | abrotman: Some external sites like tuxmobile, linux on laptop come to here |
| 05:10.06 | jetscreamer | think he wants svn maybe |
| 05:10.32 | n-iCe | Vasistha yeah because it install an old version |
| 05:10.37 | itchi | n-iCe: Well, i may say you again: take the debian reference for you own good sake |
| 05:10.41 | abrotman | n-iCe: are you using etch ? |
| 05:10.45 | Vasistha | n-iCe: what version of debian are you using? |
| 05:11.36 | n-iCe | no idea, does uname -a must say me? |
| 05:11.51 | abrotman | you tell us |
| 05:12.05 | minerale | Happy n ew year everyone!, to another year of free and open source software |
| 05:12.14 | n-iCe | Linux Xplorer 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 00:12:50 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:12.18 | itchi | n-iCe: Take the debian documentation ;-) |
| 05:12.19 | jetscreamer | cat /etc/debian_version i think |
| 05:12.23 | Rhizome | Cheers! and happy new year ;) |
| 05:12.39 | abrotman | n-iCe: so it will install pgsql 8.l |
| 05:12.41 | Gotenks | happy new year those of you in eastern time zone |
| 05:12.45 | n-iCe | 4.0 |
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| 05:12.55 | n-iCe | abrotman no, look |
| 05:13.16 | n-iCe | Unpacking postgresql (from .../postgresql_7.5.22_all.deb) ... |
| 05:13.16 | n-iCe | Setting up postgresql (7.5.22) |
| 05:13.20 | abrotman | okay ... |
| 05:13.26 | abrotman | aptitude install postgresql-8.1 |
| 05:13.49 | n-iCe | Done sir |
| 05:13.57 | abrotman | you'll probably want to remove the other |
| 05:14.13 | Vasistha | CRAP! |
| 05:14.23 | n-iCe | how? :p i did the Vasistha command did it work? |
| 05:14.24 | abrotman | it's just pascal |
| 05:14.44 | Vasistha | abrotman: yeah, probably :) |
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| 05:16.05 | Vasistha | n-iCe: we're having a separate conversation here ;) |
| 05:17.22 | abrotman | in a public channel! |
| 05:17.35 | jetscreamer | get a room |
| 05:17.44 | Vasistha | scandal! |
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| 05:18.18 | itchi | jetscreamer: A room?? :-p |
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| 05:18.54 | jariep1_ | can somebody help me find creative commons documentary listings |
| 05:19.32 | JordiGH | jariep1_: That's a tall order. What are you looking for specifically? |
| 05:19.43 | jariep1_ | geography related |
| 05:19.44 | JordiGH | jariep1_: Also, what does this have to do with Debian or the new year? |
| 05:19.57 | jariep1_ | cause i dont know whom to ask for assistance |
| 05:20.55 | jariep1_ | i used to us legaltorrents but they are down for twoweeks |
| 05:20.59 | Vasistha | when in doubt, ask #debian, and be prepared for a verbal lashing |
| 05:21.03 | msshams | hi, i compiled APC in Debian etch and use it successfully. and now i will compile new version of APC (3.0.16). but i don't know that this needs that i remove current APC then compile new version or not? |
| 05:21.37 | abrotman | neither do we .. ask the authors |
| 05:21.51 | jariep1_ | alright thanks for letting me ask |
| 05:21.55 | jariep1_ | :) |
| 05:22.16 | jetscreamer | anti personnel carrier? |
| 05:22.39 | abrotman | i can't figure out if he means acpi or the APC UPS stuff |
| 05:22.39 | jetscreamer | or just armored |
| 05:23.04 | obnauticus | Has anyone here gotten bluetooth working in debian? |
| 05:23.16 | abrotman | !anyone |
| 05:23.16 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:23.25 | jetscreamer | my dog likes peanut butter |
| 05:23.29 | itchi | msshams: It should just compile it over the old. Or use a source package manager like paco for example |
| 05:23.32 | obnauticus | Do you want me to highlight a specific user (eg you)? |
| 05:23.44 | abrotman | no .. i want you to ask a real question |
| 05:23.47 | jetscreamer | no ask the real question |
| 05:24.01 | obnauticus | Okay, how do you pair a bluetooth device (ie phone) with debian using the bluez stack |
| 05:24.20 | msshams | itchi: thanks. so i don't need to remove old version? just compile new version? |
| 05:24.47 | jetscreamer | msshams: that was a 'probably, check the docs though' |
| 05:24.53 | obnauticus | Also, how do I enable dbus? |
| 05:25.06 | jetscreamer | install it it's enabled afaik |
| 05:25.13 | msshams | itchi: thank you, |
| 05:25.35 | itchi | msshams: In most cases, yes, but i suggest to use a 'program' that track down the stuff you install from sources |
| 05:25.39 | up365 | obnauticus,start here http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/FAQ |
| 05:25.50 | obnauticus | up365 i AM rtfm'ing right now |
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| 05:25.52 | obnauticus | all with epic failures. |
| 05:26.40 | up365 | obnauticus, what about http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/ |
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| 05:27.12 | up365 | obnauticus, is this a laptop you're trying to configure ? |
| 05:27.36 | obnauticus | No |
| 05:27.40 | obnauticus | Asterisk Boxen. |
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| 05:29.51 | up365 | obnauticus, ok got a couple more links, hope they help http://blog.mypapit.net/2007/10/howto-send-and-recieve-files-over-bluetooth-with-ubuntu-linux.html |
| 05:30.08 | obnauticus | No GUI. |
| 05:30.16 | obnauticus | and I've found some good tutorials |
| 05:30.22 | obnauticus | but like none seem to work really :| |
| 05:30.54 | obnauticus | Like /var/log/syslog says |
| 05:30.55 | obnauticus | Dec 31 21:19:48 asterisk hcid[30794]: Device hci0 has been activated |
| 05:31.33 | obnauticus | But that's just saying the dongle is there |
| 05:31.35 | up365 | obnauticus, i have nokia and etch can't help beyond that but http://debaira.blogspot.com/search/label/Debian%20Etch%20Bluetooth |
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| 05:31.47 | obnauticus | I got that one |
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| 05:34.22 | up365 | obnauticus, so your preferences say "other devices can connect" or "visible & connectable for other devices" ? using gnome bluetooth |
| 05:34.35 | obnauticus | I'm going all CLI dude. |
| 05:34.36 | obnauticus | It |
| 05:34.43 | obnauticus | It's an asterisk server running chan_mobile |
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| 05:34.55 | obnauticus | to setup an IAX trunk over bluetooth, if i get it working it'll be kinda cool... |
| 05:35.20 | abrotman | you're sick! |
| 05:35.23 | up365 | obnauticus, yikes sorry I'm no help other than the links I gave you |
| 05:35.26 | obnauticus | (/usr/src/asterisk/asterisk-addons/asterisk-addons)-(root@asterisk)--> hidd --connect 00:17:E3:18:67:A2 |
| 05:35.26 | obnauticus | Can't get device information: Success |
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| 05:35.39 | obnauticus | Well all I really need to do is get it connected to an hci device |
| 05:35.43 | obnauticus | then i can do the rest |
| 05:36.14 | obnauticus | Unable to get on D-Bus there may be a problem there |
| 05:36.54 | up365 | obnauticus, it did take quite a few times back and forth just to get phone and pc connected |
| 05:37.02 | obnauticus | I don't know if it's even connected |
| 05:37.28 | obnauticus | It would be registerd as an hciX assending assuming my BT USB dongle is 0, it goes up 1 so is hci0 |
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| 05:37.53 | up365 | well your phone should show your home/host name as an account |
| 05:38.11 | obnauticus | I cannot find my dongle via the phone, i don't know why. |
| 05:38.21 | obnauticus | Is there a way i can set it as discoverable via hcid.conf ? |
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| 05:38.59 | obnauticus | Couldn't allocate D-Bus message |
| 05:39.03 | obnauticus | ya I think there may be something up with d-bus |
| 05:39.07 | up365 | I don't know, I used "bluetooth preferences" |
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| 05:42.43 | up365 | obnauticus, on your phone-bluetooth-paired devices- should be your PCs home name |
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| 05:42.55 | soulrider | hello |
| 05:43.04 | obnauticus | up365 it's not in there :| |
| 05:43.20 | obnauticus | because i can either wait for a request via bt with a pin code, or search for hosts. |
| 05:43.22 | soulrider | is there a way to install xserver-xorg but not install all those useless drivers packages like wacom input etc? |
| 05:43.30 | obnauticus | and when i search nobody comes up |
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| 05:43.42 | obnauticus | So I'm wonderig if i can put my bt dongle in discoverable mode |
| 05:43.44 | up365 | obnauticus, it is a dongle that you're trying to access right ? |
| 05:43.48 | obnauticus | ya |
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| 05:45.40 | up365 | yeah there is a command for that , looking gimme a sec |
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| 05:45.46 | obnauticus | I got it |
| 05:46.00 | obnauticus | it's iscan enable |
| 05:46.03 | obnauticus | in hcid.conf |
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| 05:47.51 | obnauticus | k i got it |
| 05:47.54 | obnauticus | hciconfig hci0 piscan |
| 05:47.58 | up365 | alright, once it's discoverable, you're almost there |
| 05:48.21 | obnauticus | k it found it |
| 05:48.47 | soulrider | is there a way to install xserver-xorg but not install all those useless drivers packages like wacom input etc? |
| 05:49.18 | soulrider | also, what files in debian specify what daemons are loaded when debian starts? |
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| 05:50.41 | up365 | obnauticus, that'll work to send from phone to PC this is for PC to phone install obexftp and obexpushd, this link http://blog.mypapit.net/2007/10/howto-send-and-recieve-files-over-bluetooth-with-ubuntu-linux.html |
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| 05:52.07 | obnauticus | k |
| 05:52.29 | obnauticus | Why are the pailing epic failing? |
| 05:52.30 | obnauticus | lol |
| 05:55.33 | obnauticus | Thank god |
| 05:55.40 | obnauticus | the bluetooth gods have smiled upon me |
| 05:57.01 | up365 | it's a bluetootufil thing ;) |
| 05:57.27 | obnauticus | I hate bluetoothing |
| 05:57.29 | obnauticus | confuses me |
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| 05:58.30 | up365 | what are you ultimately trying to do, link a bunch of PCs with BT ? |
| 05:58.35 | obnauticus | no |
| 05:58.39 | obnauticus | you know what Asterisk is right? |
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| 05:58.52 | up365 | enlighten me |
| 05:58.56 | obnauticus | An Opensource PBX |
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| 05:59.03 | obnauticus | like... a phone switch |
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| 05:59.26 | obnauticus | You can use it to host like phone conferences, voicemail, basically anything you want with the phone system |
| 05:59.30 | obnauticus | if you have the money and knowledge |
| 05:59.43 | obnauticus | so what im doing is using my cell phone as an outbound trunk over bluetooth |
| 05:59.57 | obnauticus | so i can call and receive calls over my cell phone through my PBX, which are later then routed wherever i want |
| 06:00.03 | obnauticus | like my Cisco IP phone right here |
| 06:00.07 | obnauticus | a software SIP phone on my computer |
| 06:00.10 | obnauticus | it's pretty cool stuff |
| 06:01.15 | Rhizome | its pretty cool, i have something like that set up aswell, basically a call back system that calls me back when i dial a number, and then lets me dial out ;) |
| 06:01.20 | up365 | ok I've got some reading to do , sounds interesting |
| 06:01.28 | obnauticus | You're interested now? |
| 06:01.29 | obnauticus | lol |
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| 06:01.48 | obnauticus | It's easy to setup, a suggestion DO NOT isntall from aptitude |
| 06:01.53 | obnauticus | build from source and keep it locally. |
| 06:02.00 | obnauticus | You need it :) |
| 06:02.11 | obnauticus | and that doesn't mean source from aptitude that means source from asterisk's site. |
| 06:02.30 | Rhizome | ah your using your cellphone as a trunk very neat ;) |
| 06:02.38 | obnauticus | it's called chan_mobile |
| 06:03.09 | Rhizome | hm, never thought about that.. i recently bought a box from china with gsm and ethernet to do the same thing. |
| 06:03.23 | obnauticus | You can get a GSM modem |
| 06:03.29 | obnauticus | and plug it into an asterisk box and do that. |
| 06:03.42 | obnauticus | use sim cards and etc. |
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| 06:15.47 | JoeyAdams | I downloaded a source tarball/patch, and I think I applied the patch correctly, so how do I properly build it into a dpkg? The package is xserver-xorg-video-cirrus |
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| 06:17.35 | bhundven | http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html |
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| 06:18.37 | JoeyAdams | Thanks |
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| 06:19.04 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: quick build is <reply> To build a package, apt-get source <packagename>; apt-get build-dep <packagename>; apt-get install fakeroot build-essential; cd packagename-*; fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; cd ..; ls -l *.deb; |
| 06:19.04 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 06:19.52 | bhundven | well... I'm no dpkg ninja, but that works too. |
| 06:20.07 | bhundven | :-D |
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| 06:27.40 | JoeyAdams | Well, I don't have a network connection (yet :) ), but I think I'm getting somewhere with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 06:27.44 | JoeyAdams | I just had to install fakeroot |
| 06:27.46 | JoeyAdams | have* |
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| 06:28.48 | obnauticus | up365 do you know the differece between a bluetooth slave and a bluetooth master? |
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| 06:29.12 | JoeyAdams | By the way, what's that program that lets one use a mouse in a terminal (not under X)? |
| 06:30.36 | simonrvn | gpm |
| 06:31.08 | magyar | Happy New Year!!! Thanks for all the help and wish for you a double dose of health and happiness topped with loads of good fortune. Cheers |
| 06:33.02 | Rhizome | ce |
| 06:33.05 | Rhizome | cheers ;) |
| 06:34.04 | JoeyAdams | How come when I run fakeroot debian/rules binary or fakeroot debian/rules clean, I get Permission denied? (even under root) |
| 06:34.40 | Rhizome | even root has to abide by permissions ;) |
| 06:34.49 | JoeyAdams | oh, gotta chmod it, I guess |
| 06:34.53 | JoeyAdams | why wasn't it chmodded to begin with? |
| 06:36.28 | dondelelcaro | JoeyAdams: because you didn't use dpkg-source to apply the diff.gz to the tar.gz? |
| 06:36.34 | JoeyAdams | I applied it |
| 06:36.41 | JoeyAdams | Though I'm not sure I did that correctly, either |
| 06:36.54 | dondelelcaro | JoeyAdams: if you use dpkg-source, it chmod's it properly. If you don't, it isn't |
| 06:37.13 | JoeyAdams | How would I use it in this situation? |
| 06:37.17 | dondelelcaro | (you'd go dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; |
| 06:37.29 | JoeyAdams | Oh, that sound easy :) |
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| 06:37.36 | JoeyAdams | sounds* |
| 06:37.53 | dondelelcaro | basically it does what you did with some extra checking and it also chmod +x debian/rules; |
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| 06:45.32 | danf_1979 | I have a sort of video problem, maybe. I have a voodoo 3 in here, sid, gnome. X11 has no problems, but iceweasel and epiphany show random "lines" and artifacts when browsing and scrolling. This does not happen if, for example, I open a big document in openoffice and scroll it down, or use nautilus to scroll down. Why does this only happen with iceweasel and epiphany? Iceweasel shows artifacts even in the user interface, menus and such. Epiph |
| 06:45.32 | danf_1979 | any only on web pages. Help please...... |
| 06:46.21 | danf_1979 | There are no problems at all with other programs. |
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| 06:50.08 | danf_1979 | this is my default xorg.conf, fresh install |
| 06:50.09 | danf_1979 | http://pastebin.ca/raw/840718 |
| 06:50.52 | obnauticus | What's teh device class for a bluetooth headset? |
| 06:51.02 | AMDFreak | danf_1979: what says glxinfo | grep renderer |
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| 06:52.37 | danf_1979 | This other xorg.conf version, that *did* work for me in this same pc until days ago, it doesn't work (I reinstalled today) |
| 06:52.38 | danf_1979 | http://pastebin.ca/raw/840720 |
| 06:52.52 | danf_1979 | AMDFreak, |
| 06:52.54 | danf_1979 | dan:/home/dan# glxinfo | grep renderer |
| 06:52.54 | danf_1979 | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 06:53.33 | danf_1979 | So I guess it has nothing to do with xorg.conf |
| 06:53.37 | danf_1979 | it must be something else |
| 06:53.38 | jetscreamer | danf_1979: ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/tdfx.4.html |
| 06:53.45 | AMDFreak | danf_1979: then the driver isn't installed correct |
| 06:53.46 | jetscreamer | !tell danf_1979 -about paste |
| 06:54.02 | jetscreamer | voodoo would probably use mesa |
| 06:54.07 | jetscreamer | but i dunno |
| 06:54.53 | AMDFreak | jetscreamer: a 3D hardware accelerator would use indirect mesa rendering? |
| 06:55.10 | jetscreamer | AMDFreak: iirc an opensource/old one would/does |
| 06:55.22 | AMDFreak | jetscreamer: mhhh |
| 06:56.04 | AMDFreak | danf_1979: glxinfo | grep direct ?? |
| 06:56.04 | danf_1979 | AMDFreak, but I've already tried to reinstall it with aptitude, or do you mean something else? |
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| 06:56.27 | danf_1979 | direct rendering: No |
| 06:56.27 | jetscreamer | but maybe make sure the dri kernel modules are loaded, play with the driver options (not many to play with though eh) |
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| 06:56.52 | danf_1979 | okay, I'll try that |
| 06:57.08 | xsdg | danf_1979: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:57.08 | jetscreamer | i use modconf to brose the module tree |
| 06:57.24 | jetscreamer | but yeah what xsdg said |
| 06:57.24 | xsdg | danf_1979: it'll often tell you why DRI isn't enabled |
| 06:57.29 | jetscreamer | browse |
| 06:57.30 | Hoxzer | is htere any way to tell ntpd not to synchronize time if latency with ntp-server is more than 30ms ? |
| 06:57.32 | jetscreamer | !modconf |
| 06:57.33 | dpkg | modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with http://bugs.debian.org/358855 |
| 06:58.07 | Nyle | oh man dude homie bro man |
| 06:58.16 | jetscreamer | Hoxzer: you can with other ntp software, so i would imagine so |
| 06:58.16 | pengwyn | does at1700t get recognized as at1700? |
| 06:58.17 | Nyle | Good Freaking New Year of 2008 |
| 06:58.18 | danf_1979 | I must say I dont care about 3d acceleration, I think direct rendering refers to that? |
| 06:58.19 | jetscreamer | hey nyle |
| 06:58.26 | xsdg | Hoxzer: 30ms? wow |
| 06:58.39 | Nyle | I am wasted man jetscreamer man dude |
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| 06:59.10 | xsdg | Hoxzer: I know ntpd has a limit; I'm not sure if it's configurable |
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| 06:59.26 | pengwyn | (before I slave the card in and reboot) |
| 06:59.49 | AMDFreak | danf_1979: libgl-mesa-glx installed ? |
| 06:59.59 | sauvin | Happy New Year! |
| 07:00.35 | Hoxzer | xsdg: oh ok :/ I sometimes have high network load and eventhough I have somekind of traffic shaping I'm not sure will I get bad times. I noticed that my computer clock was +8s today. |
| 07:00.39 | AMDFreak | danf_1979: ups.. libgl1-mesa.glx and libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 07:00.56 | Nyle | jetscreamer: whats going on with in the world of gifts? |
| 07:01.19 | danf_1979 | AMDFreak, yep, both of them |
| 07:01.21 | Nyle | 8 seconds off |
| 07:01.23 | Nyle | damn |
| 07:01.26 | xsdg | Hoxzer: 30ms is considerably smaller than 8 secs |
| 07:01.43 | xsdg | Hoxzer: what server are you using? |
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| 07:02.10 | Hoxzer | tick.keso.fi time1.mikes.fi time2.mikes.fi |
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| 07:02.53 | xsdg | Hoxzer: ok; haven't used them. look for messages in /var/log/daemon.log from ntpd |
| 07:02.54 | Nyle | argh |
| 07:02.59 | jetscreamer | Nyle: that would be 'the world of high fashion' |
| 07:03.11 | Nyle | jetscreamer: hot chics? |
| 07:03.24 | AMDFreak | danf_1979: please give the xorg.log |
| 07:03.51 | jetscreamer | Nyle: if you like really skinny fashion models |
| 07:03.55 | jetscreamer | toothpicks |
| 07:04.01 | xsdg | Hoxzer: but 8 seconds off after how long? |
| 07:04.02 | jetscreamer | nice girls though |
| 07:04.02 | Nyle | jetscreamer: sometimes |
| 07:05.26 | pengwyn | ;o) |
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| 07:06.47 | jetscreamer | ok so how far behind does this make me: i finally saw tenacious d |
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| 07:10.03 | Nyle | hm |
| 07:10.10 | Nyle | I don't like fat chix |
| 07:10.22 | Nyle | i mean yeh, they need tha lovin' too, but damn man |
| 07:10.28 | pengwyn | "penguin chix" |
| 07:10.28 | Nyle | just can't do it |
| 07:10.42 | Nyle | you kinky bastard ;) |
| 07:10.59 | Nyle | pengwyn: you've seen the pick of destiny no doubt? |
| 07:11.11 | Nyle | jetscreamer: the movie or the band/songs? |
| 07:11.18 | pengwyn | what's that 3d video with the penguins? |
| 07:11.30 | Nyle | many |
| 07:11.35 | Nyle | march of the penguins |
| 07:11.40 | pengwyn | yeah but it involves a xmas tree |
| 07:11.41 | Nyle | iceage/ |
| 07:11.44 | Nyle | ice age 2? |
| 07:11.46 | pengwyn | and a little dog |
| 07:11.52 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 07:12.25 | Nyle | isn't there a little dog in every kids movie |
| 07:12.27 | pengwyn | it was on the iceage dvd | extras |
| 07:12.32 | Nyle | little kids love little dogs |
| 07:12.51 | pengwyn | the funniest 3d animation with penguins I ever seen |
| 07:12.53 | Nyle | i like little dogs, but i hate big dogs, I like cas more than dogs |
| 07:13.06 | Nyle | yeh those movies are cute |
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| 07:13.56 | kuhwallskee | anyone know where I can find an example smb.conf that has just share level security and one share? |
| 07:15.33 | Nyle | google! |
| 07:15.35 | pengwyn | madagascar |
| 07:15.40 | Nyle | really? |
| 07:15.50 | Nyle | I like to move it move it |
| 07:15.54 | Nyle | you like to move it move it |
| 07:16.06 | pengwyn | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/85248/penguins_christmas_caper/ |
| 07:16.16 | jetscreamer | depends on the chick |
| 07:16.24 | jetscreamer | as to whether she's too fat or not |
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| 07:17.01 | jetscreamer | the movie... course i'd never heard of them before, either |
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| 07:17.22 | debianforlife | kuhwallskee: use swat to configure samba, then you can get it just how you want |
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| 07:18.01 | kuhwallskee | good stuff |
| 07:18.15 | Nyle | hahahaha |
| 07:18.17 | Nyle | the little dog |
| 07:18.18 | Nyle | haha |
| 07:18.27 | jetscreamer | seems to me man smb.conf was fairly understandable |
| 07:18.38 | Nyle | its heavily well comented |
| 07:18.47 | Nyle | security=share |
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| 07:18.53 | Nyle | in [global] |
| 07:19.04 | Nyle | and define a single share |
| 07:19.07 | kuhwallskee | i'm having issues seeing the share with xp |
| 07:19.09 | Nyle | whats so hard about it? |
| 07:19.25 | Nyle | pastebin your smb.conf |
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| 07:19.39 | debianforlife | set 'available = yes' in the share |
| 07:20.30 | Nyle | don't need to really, if not specified to be no, it defaults to yes |
| 07:20.52 | Nyle | browseable=yes maybe |
| 07:21.10 | Nyle | and make sure to restart the service |
| 07:21.11 | debianforlife | thats what i meant, thanks for reading my mind... :P |
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| 07:23.14 | Nyle | yo nigg' that straight up dro |
| 07:23.22 | Nyle | and it aint even rolled yet |
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| 07:24.25 | kuhwallskee | both of those are enabled |
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| 07:24.53 | Nyle | ok |
| 07:25.03 | Nyle | install smbclient and type smbclient -L localhost |
| 07:25.08 | Nyle | see whts the problem is |
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| 07:25.21 | jetscreamer | i usually find with nfs or smb turning off the firewalls then getting it going is the method for me |
| 07:25.36 | jetscreamer | course unplugging the intarweb is part of that |
| 07:25.39 | Guerin | nfs + firewall = madness |
| 07:25.50 | Guerin | i suspect samba is much the same |
| 07:25.51 | Nyle | yo G |
| 07:25.58 | Nyle | whats kickin' |
| 07:26.00 | Guerin | sup N |
| 07:26.10 | Nyle | what man |
| 07:26.13 | Nyle | what doesn't sound right |
| 07:26.18 | Guerin | just about to watch the footer |
| 07:26.22 | Nyle | G is legit like sup G |
| 07:26.23 | Nyle | N |
| 07:26.24 | Guerin | and make some ricey stuff |
| 07:26.26 | Nyle | man thats makes no sense |
| 07:26.29 | Nyle | word man |
| 07:27.20 | jetscreamer | even with windows to windows the fw can fuckup xp to 2k |
| 07:27.32 | jetscreamer | xp to xp is usually good |
| 07:27.34 | Nyle | yup |
| 07:27.39 | Nyle | eh |
| 07:27.45 | Nyle | home vs pro |
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| 07:29.29 | kuhwallskee | ok now I"ve added those and smbclient gives me a login. |
| 07:29.36 | kuhwallskee | but none of the passwords I have set works |
| 07:29.47 | Nyle | how did you set them |
| 07:29.54 | jetscreamer | i had better luck with nfs than smb |
| 07:29.55 | Nyle | smbpasswd -a username |
| 07:29.55 | Nyle | ? |
| 07:30.53 | kuhwallskee | still no good |
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| 07:32.55 | pengwyn | I wonder why the USDA Office of Operations is on my server. lol |
| 07:33.09 | Nyle | hm |
| 07:33.11 | Nyle | tokens? |
| 07:33.12 | pengwyn | happy new year. I produce no food |
| 07:33.16 | Nyle | wow |
| 07:33.20 | Nyle | wrong channel |
| 07:33.25 | Nyle | where am I |
| 07:33.27 | pengwyn | I hear ya. |
| 07:33.35 | Nyle | who me? |
| 07:33.51 | pengwyn | nm |
| 07:33.58 | Nyle | !nm |
| 07:33.58 | dpkg | hmm... nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 07:34.04 | pengwyn | I indeed was on wrong channel |
| 07:34.06 | kuhwallskee | Nyle, that didn't help |
| 07:34.17 | Nyle | kuhwallskee: I don't know anything about computers |
| 07:34.34 | jetscreamer | what is a computer |
| 07:34.41 | Nyle | something that computes |
| 07:34.42 | Nyle | I think |
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| 07:35.06 | Nyle | no but seriously |
| 07:35.10 | Nyle | you have any firewalls? |
| 07:35.12 | Nyle | oh wait |
| 07:35.13 | pengwyn | com = communications puter = sends golf balls into holes? |
| 07:35.29 | Mephux | wow |
| 07:35.29 | Nyle | communications sends golf balls into holes? |
| 07:35.41 | Nyle | huh |
| 07:35.44 | Mephux | Nyle: how did you get on IRC |
| 07:36.01 | Nyle | I dunno |
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| 07:36.14 | kuhwallskee | Nyle, no firewall |
| 07:36.15 | pengwyn | I got on IRC with a zombie script |
| 07:36.23 | Nyle | Mephux: what is IRC? |
| 07:36.24 | pengwyn | j/k |
| 07:36.41 | Nyle | kuhwallskee: may I see your smb.conf please, pastebin it |
| 07:36.44 | Nyle | !paster kuhwallskee |
| 07:36.44 | dpkg | kuhwallskee: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 07:36.55 | pengwyn | Nyle, pass the green |
| 07:36.58 | Nyle | kuhwallskee: also, you need to add the user to samba with smbpasswd |
| 07:37.21 | Nyle | you gonna get me yelled at |
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| 07:37.27 | proqesi` | I have a borked hard drive I am trying to erase. e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/sdb doesn't work and fdisk doesn't work. the bios won't recognize this drive on startup. is there a way to erase it? |
| 07:37.29 | lkthomas2 | guys, anyone using cacti with snmpd ? |
| 07:38.20 | Nyle | !anyonw |
| 07:38.22 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 07:38.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 07:38.36 | kuhwallskee | Nyle, it's up |
| 07:38.46 | Nyle | kuhwallskee: please liknk me |
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| 07:39.10 | kuhwallskee | http://paste.debian.net/45890 |
| 07:39.18 | debianforlife | -:- [Users(#debian:56)] |
| 07:39.18 | debianforlife | [ waltz_ ] [ CutMeOwnTh] [ Toad ] [ blackbart ] [ m80 ] |
| 07:39.18 | debianforlife | [ joepa ] [ david-work] [ pipeline ] [ DustyBin ] [ folken ] |
| 07:39.18 | debianforlife | [ entropic ] [ mrak ] [ badcfe ] [ bernard ] [ skule ] |
| 07:39.18 | debianforlife | [ jm|laptop ] [ tazle ] [ tw-nym ] [ pingouin ] [ ead ] |
| 07:39.26 | Mephux | www.google.com RJ11 or RJ45.. the world will never know |
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| 07:39.39 | Nyle | kuhwallskee: you are in the correct workgroup? |
| 07:40.01 | kuhwallskee | It's workgroup right? |
| 07:40.15 | pengwyn | maybe not, maybe MYXXX |
| 07:40.21 | Nyle | kuhwallskee: why do you want share level security? |
| 07:40.35 | kuhwallskee | cause I only have one share. |
| 07:40.48 | pengwyn | traditionally I always used "WORKGROUP" |
| 07:41.04 | pengwyn | but I long since have a need for that |
| 07:41.07 | Nyle | There have been recent reports that Microsoft Windows clients have compatibility issues with share-level security servers. Samba developers strongly discourage use of share-level security. |
| 07:41.12 | jetscreamer | dd it maybe |
| 07:41.25 | Nyle | use user level security then |
| 07:41.34 | kuhwallskee | ok |
| 07:41.39 | Nyle | unless you have a real reason why you need something else |
| 07:41.45 | jetscreamer | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb |
| 07:42.02 | jetscreamer | if linux can't see the hd it won't work |
| 07:42.23 | jetscreamer | proqesi`: ^^ |
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| 07:42.38 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.48 | kuhwallskee | Nyle: If I could see it in xp I'd be gravy |
| 07:43.18 | Nyle | setup your share, use user level security |
| 07:43.23 | Nyle | security=user |
| 07:43.33 | kuhwallskee | got it |
| 07:43.33 | Nyle | do smbpasswd -a yourusernamehere |
| 07:43.53 | Nyle | then restart samba /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 07:44.00 | jetscreamer | proqesi`: if that doesn't work, run it through an mri machine, drop it in a bucket of acid then throw the bucket in a vat of molten steel |
| 07:44.21 | Nyle | then go to cli, do smbclient -L localhost, AS user and not as root btw, and type in user/pass you made with smbpasswd |
| 07:44.28 | Nyle | if you get it connected, you're good to do |
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| 07:44.36 | Nyle | use the correct workgroup and you can see it in network neighbourhood |
| 07:44.37 | proqesi` | jetscreamer: I was going to erase it with my neodymium magnet, but I can't find it :( |
| 07:44.46 | Nyle | don't use a workgroup and you can connect to it with ip |
| 07:44.55 | jetscreamer | try the dd command |
| 07:45.04 | kuhwallskee | hmmm ok |
| 07:45.06 | proqesi` | jetscreamer: dd seems to get it a bit closer to sanity but not quite |
| 07:45.11 | kuhwallskee | so just take out workgroup |
| 07:45.27 | Nyle | you can easily modify :\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts and type in entry for host and its ip, and just do \\host\share |
| 07:45.28 | proqesi` | [ 895.471757] Buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 0 |
| 07:45.35 | Nyle | no don't take it out |
| 07:45.39 | Nyle | read the samba docs |
| 07:45.45 | Nyle | don't blindsly ask obvious questions |
| 07:46.17 | Nyle | I meant even if you speciy the wrong workgroup |
| 07:46.34 | jetscreamer | proqesi`: take a hammer/screwdriver to it then |
| 07:46.41 | pengwyn | \\host\C$ or \\host\$C ? j/k |
| 07:46.47 | jetscreamer | c$ |
| 07:46.52 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 07:46.57 | Nyle | if ipc have not been disable |
| 07:47.07 | kuhwallskee | Nyle, I do but i can't connect |
| 07:47.07 | pengwyn | well my first thought C$ |
| 07:47.08 | Nyle | hidden admin shares are diabled now |
| 07:48.33 | Nyle | kuhwallskee: @$$ |
| 07:48.38 | Nyle | :) |
| 07:48.43 | Nyle | take a chill pill |
| 07:48.50 | pengwyn | \\PIG.TROUGH.BOX\JOHNSONBABYSHAMPO$ user: wash pass: mehair |
| 07:48.53 | Nyle | few deep breaths |
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| 07:49.05 | Nyle | you'll get it |
| 07:49.21 | pengwyn | :) |
| 07:49.49 | Nyle | =) |
| 07:49.54 | pengwyn | trying to subliminally help |
| 07:49.57 | Nyle | >=) |
| 07:50.07 | Nyle | >=] |
| 07:50.16 | Nyle | lol |
| 07:50.21 | Nyle | \o/ |
| 07:50.24 | Nyle | lol |
| 07:50.26 | Nyle | im bord |
| 07:50.28 | Nyle | im going |
| 07:50.46 | Mephux | Nyle: where are you? |
| 07:50.47 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 07:50.52 | pengwyn | nn |
| 07:51.04 | Nyle | oh man i was just about to roll a new one |
| 07:51.13 | Nyle | i'll be fine guys, i got my green back |
| 07:51.19 | Nyle | not bored no more |
| 07:51.32 | Nyle | jetscreamer: so are you done with work now for a day or two ort hree? |
| 07:52.31 | Nyle | !time |
| 07:52.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, time is found on http://www.time.com/, or 2008.01.01 7:52:31, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!! |
| 07:52.48 | kuhwallskee | i used that little app that is in gnome.. |
| 07:52.57 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 07:53.14 | jetscreamer | well the big flood |
| 07:53.17 | kuhwallskee | and now the shit don't work |
| 07:53.19 | Nyle | !flood |
| 07:53.19 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 07:53.23 | Nyle | oh |
| 07:53.25 | Gnu_Raiz | anyone seen this type of message! |
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| 07:53.33 | Gnu_Raiz | usb 2-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9 |
| 07:53.34 | Nyle | which type of message? |
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| 07:53.46 | jetscreamer | yeah i see it all the time |
| 07:53.49 | Gnu_Raiz | I am getting this spammed from my kenrel. |
| 07:53.54 | jetscreamer | !printk |
| 07:53.54 | dpkg | from memory, printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 07:54.10 | jetscreamer | flashdrive or usb drive or camera perhaps |
| 07:54.41 | Nyle | ok |
| 07:54.43 | Gnu_Raiz | I have a front panel that might be doing it. |
| 07:54.51 | jetscreamer | but if you see it over and over it's maybe not connecting properly |
| 07:54.52 | Gnu_Raiz | but I think its a chipset problem. |
| 07:55.03 | Nyle | did you try all usb ports? |
| 07:55.04 | jetscreamer | could be a hub |
| 07:55.17 | jetscreamer | you get that when you plug in a usb2.0 |
| 07:55.21 | jetscreamer | device |
| 07:55.28 | Nyle | hm |
| 07:55.39 | Gnu_Raiz | I have this on both nvidia systems I set up recently, but did not get it on a old asrock 939 system. |
| 07:56.00 | Nyle | man champagne kicks butt |
| 07:56.10 | Gnu_Raiz | I also have a bunch of unknow devices in lspci. |
| 07:56.10 | jetscreamer | unplug everything, but it might be internal to the board.... missing driver module perhaps |
| 07:57.03 | Gnu_Raiz | yeah I was thinking the same thing, but I think it might be my front panel. |
| 07:57.42 | Gnu_Raiz | as the other day I tried to transfer files to a ssd card and it would not see the device under at all. |
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| 07:58.11 | Gnu_Raiz | but it works great under windows and is nice in general. |
| 07:58.40 | Gnu_Raiz | takes up a front 5 1/4 slot, would not want to disable it. |
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| 07:59.24 | Gnu_Raiz | the usb ports does work, but the mini ssd, and other ports don't. |
| 07:59.37 | kuhwallskee | could it be a problem with the permissions on the shared folder |
| 08:00.01 | Gnu_Raiz | HNY to those who are in the proper time zone's. |
| 08:00.03 | jetscreamer | if it's hooked up to a usb port, then yes that panel is it |
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| 08:00.14 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 08:00.31 | jetscreamer | whatever it is is a usb2.0 device |
| 08:00.34 | jetscreamer | ehci |
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| 08:01.00 | jetscreamer | you might just need to load a kernel module |
| 08:01.04 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 08:01.04 | Gnu_Raiz | I might do some checking, as the panel uses a cord that is routed to the back motherboard usb ports. |
| 08:01.27 | jetscreamer | use modconf, look around, maybe a name will be familiar |
| 08:01.30 | jetscreamer | or google |
| 08:02.00 | Gnu_Raiz | I think they are doing some sort of emulation of usb under windows for the ssd slots and other memory types. |
| 08:03.00 | jetscreamer | sounds like it just uses usb as an interface, but i'm just guessing wildly now. however, linux can read such devices... unless maybe if it's like a winmodem |
| 08:03.07 | Gnu_Raiz | ok will try. |
| 08:03.11 | jetscreamer | s/like/similar\ to/ |
| 08:03.27 | jetscreamer | with the proper modules loaded |
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| 08:03.58 | Tidus | jetscreamer: linux can even read some winmodems |
| 08:04.04 | jetscreamer | course sometimes the proper modules just don't exist/haven't been written |
| 08:04.04 | Gnu_Raiz | I thought it might be something with the drivers nvidia supplies. |
| 08:04.07 | Tidus | the one in my dell inspiron 5100 laptop was detected without a problem |
| 08:04.19 | jetscreamer | you 'might' ask in #nvidia |
| 08:04.23 | Gnu_Raiz | I don't have them installed. |
| 08:04.36 | jetscreamer | the forceware thing eh |
| 08:04.41 | jetscreamer | no idea never had one |
| 08:04.52 | Gnu_Raiz | this was a pvr build meant for windows. |
| 08:05.17 | jetscreamer | Tidus: it was just an example |
| 08:05.40 | jetscreamer | but yes, you're right |
| 08:06.24 | Tidus | the broadcom wireless card however... |
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| 08:06.57 | pengwyn | Tidus. broadband, don't look back |
| 08:07.05 | Gnu_Raiz | I must say that I am not impressed by nvidia based chipset boards too many unknow devices. |
| 08:07.06 | Tidus | pengwyn: i'm on broadband |
| 08:07.14 | Tidus | just sayin that my winmodem in this thing was detected |
| 08:07.25 | pengwyn | I see that now. cox |
| 08:07.34 | pengwyn | doing a modem for bbs? |
| 08:07.50 | pengwyn | or accessability |
| 08:07.52 | Tidus | no, i haven't needed a modem in almost 3 years |
| 08:08.02 | Tidus | and how'd you figure out i'm on cox? |
| 08:08.11 | pengwyn | me neither, I have a pile layin in a box |
| 08:08.11 | Gnu_Raiz | This will be my news year day project to fix my usb spamming project. |
| 08:08.25 | pengwyn | tidus do a /whois nick |
| 08:08.31 | Tidus | pengwyn: try again |
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| 08:09.39 | Tidus | lol |
| 08:10.32 | DawnLight | this is crazy. no one is playing nexuiz right now |
| 08:10.36 | pengwyn | tidus, does cox have ipv6 experimental? |
| 08:10.43 | Tidus | i'm not entirely sure |
| 08:10.57 | Tidus | my net right now is borrowed wireless so i just take what i can get |
| 08:11.04 | pengwyn | yeah, sonic does, it's something I will try this year |
| 08:12.20 | Gnu_Raiz | I installed nexuiz and after a system updated it stopped working. |
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| 08:23.00 | kuhwallskee | I have the simplest smb.conf and it still don't work |
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| 08:27.54 | hgraey | hi everyone |
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| 08:28.54 | hgraey | i'm in the process of setting up my first debian - is it safe to use the 64studio backports repo for new gnome stuff? |
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| 08:30.01 | richd | hey, is it one port per interface for each iface on a comp, or one port on a comp that all ifaces can see? |
| 08:30.26 | jetscreamer | never heard of them |
| 08:30.33 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 08:30.33 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 08:31.06 | hgraey | it's mentioned here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia |
| 08:31.21 | richd | anyone see my last message? |
| 08:31.51 | jetscreamer | i saw it |
| 08:31.56 | hgraey | yes |
| 08:32.06 | richd | ok, wasnt sure if it went... |
| 08:32.21 | richd | this connec i have is crap... |
| 08:32.39 | jetscreamer | probably safe but i've no idea hgraey |
| 08:33.07 | hgraey | i'll find out. backup time anyway :) |
| 08:34.00 | richd | anyone know the answer to my question? |
| 08:34.19 | hgraey | richd, try to be more specific on what you are doing or trying to do |
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| 08:35.16 | richd | I just want to know if a port that is open, has to be opened on the comp, or on each interface... |
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| 08:36.02 | richd | i think i just answered my own question... |
| 08:36.36 | hgraey | if it is open on the machine and there are no interface specific rules in your iptables, it's open to all of them |
| 08:36.39 | jetscreamer | the computer |
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| 08:37.22 | checkers | can anyone suggest a php or similar script to view my system's status over the web? |
| 08:37.23 | abrocadabro | I am using tuxonice and suspend to disk is painfully slow, usually takes up to two minutes, does anyone have any ideas? |
| 08:37.24 | jetscreamer | of course if you had a fw sitting inside a nic |
| 08:37.26 | jetscreamer | ... |
| 08:37.46 | Tidus | abrocadabro: how much ram? |
| 08:37.51 | abrocadabro | 2G |
| 08:37.59 | Tidus | and at 30-ish mb/sec ... |
| 08:38.05 | Tidus | 2048/30 and you have your reason why |
| 08:38.24 | Tidus | it can only suspend to disk as fast as it can write |
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| 08:39.05 | abrocadabro | why is so much faster in windows? also it is a lot faster with suspend1, the one came with default kernel |
| 08:39.19 | Tidus | windows only writes what is actually in use |
| 08:39.31 | Tidus | tuxonice writes the ENTIRE memory |
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| 08:40.09 | abrocadabro | how come? what benefits does it have? |
| 08:40.24 | checkers | easier to code? |
| 08:40.25 | mudge | when I try to install postifix with aptitude, at the bottom aptitude has a score: -648 what is an aptitude score? |
| 08:40.37 | mudge | anyone know what score is for aptitude? |
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| 08:41.35 | richd | ok, thanks guys |
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| 08:42.59 | mudge | anyone know what score is with aptitude? |
| 08:43.22 | simonrvn | no. i'd go read the man page or READMEs |
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| 08:47.17 | proqesi` | mudge: negative score usually means you are going to lose something by installing that package |
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| 08:48.03 | nascentmind | hi |
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| 08:49.14 | nascentmind | After installation of debian my cdrom does not get detected. can somebody help me with this? |
| 08:49.46 | pengwyn | nascentmind: check your /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab and your df -ha |
| 08:50.32 | pengwyn | I am sure someone knows the unmounted commands herer, but you know it's prolly bunged up |
| 08:51.23 | pengwyn | sda1, sda2, sdb1, sdb2, hda1, hda2, hdb1, hdb2 bla bla |
| 08:51.58 | pengwyn | someone told me the unmounted command yesterday and I already forgot |
| 08:52.22 | pengwyn | I always used df -ha to show partitions |
| 08:52.24 | mudge | proqesi: thanks |
| 08:52.29 | pengwyn | fdisk maybe |
| 08:52.34 | mudge | a -648 sounds like I'd lose a lot |
| 08:52.38 | richd | unmounted command for what? |
| 08:52.43 | mudge | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.53 | mudge | i guess I shouldn't remove sendmail |
| 08:52.57 | nascentmind | it just shows sda |
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| 08:53.05 | mudge | does anybody know of any good tutorials on sendmail with debian? |
| 08:53.06 | nascentmind | and others |
| 08:53.08 | pengwyn | that's it just sda? |
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| 08:53.14 | nascentmind | but does not show the cdrom |
| 08:53.14 | nascentmind | yes |
| 08:53.20 | pengwyn | exactly |
| 08:53.25 | richd | pengwyn: what are you trying to do? |
| 08:53.25 | nascentmind | but the whole of debian i could install with the cdrom |
| 08:53.46 | pengwyn | you probably need a ln -s /dev/xxx to /mnt/device |
| 08:54.25 | abrocadabro | nascentmind: how did you install debian? maybe can use 'lspci' just to make sure your system seems it first |
| 08:54.35 | pengwyn | richd, I am looking for a log analysis proggie that does iptables fine tuning adjustment |
| 08:54.37 | nascentmind | using the dvd's |
| 08:54.47 | pengwyn | ;o) |
| 08:54.52 | richd | aye |
| 08:55.08 | richd | well, good luck with that... |
| 08:55.19 | nascentmind | abrocadabro, it could detect the dvdrom while installing. |
| 08:56.41 | proqesi` | nascentmind: do you have a /dev/dvd*? |
| 08:56.48 | pengwyn | prolly a usb something shifted your devices |
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| 08:58.13 | richd | nascentmind: is it apt that can't see your dvd or linux at all? not something apt-cdrom would fix is it? |
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| 08:59.18 | nascentmind | no i can not see a /dev/dvd* |
| 08:59.22 | abrocadabro | nascentmind: I would 'lspci' or 'lsusb' and making sure you system seems it now. what kind of a dvdrom is it by the way? |
| 08:59.26 | nascentmind | i mean not /devd0 |
| 09:00.01 | nascentmind | apt can't see later i.e. when i do a apt-get install |
| 09:00.11 | pengwyn | mtab fstab I bet |
| 09:00.23 | nascentmind | abrocadabro, how do you know what type it is? |
| 09:00.24 | pengwyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:00.47 | abrocadabro | <nascentmind>: I meant if it was a USB dvdrom or a pci one |
| 09:01.07 | nascentmind | abrocadabro: its a pci dvdrom |
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| 09:01.46 | abrocadabro | <nascentmind>: in a console, type 'lspci' and you can see your dvdrom there? |
| 09:01.49 | richd | w |
| 09:01.49 | richd | whoops... |
| 09:01.50 | nascentmind | when i do a lspci it shows something called "Ricoh Co Ltd unknown device" |
| 09:01.56 | nascentmind | abrocadabro, no |
| 09:02.12 | abrocadabro | <nascentmind>: do you have a Ricoh DVDrom? |
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| 09:02.47 | nascentmind | abrocadabro, how do i come to know abt that? |
| 09:02.54 | nascentmind | abrocadabro,most probably |
| 09:03.10 | richd | look at thhe front or top if it... |
| 09:03.16 | richd | of8 |
| 09:03.19 | richd | * |
| 09:03.28 | abrocadabro | <nascentmind>: do you also have a SD card slot? what computer is it? thinkpad? |
| 09:03.54 | pengwyn | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg29779.html |
| 09:04.09 | richd | wanna pastebin your lspci ooutput? |
| 09:04.10 | pengwyn | mount dvd problem ^ |
| 09:04.48 | nascentmind | abrocadabro, its a compaq 6608 |
| 09:04.53 | pengwyn | df- ha don't modify existing partitions and hack the hdx sdx's and ln -s them and you'll be lit |
| 09:04.57 | nascentmind | yes it has a card slot |
| 09:05.48 | pengwyn | ;o) what does a card register as |
| 09:05.58 | abrocadabro | nascentmind: my SD card is manufactured by Richo, maybe it is that |
| 09:06.15 | pengwyn | your drive is just shifted |
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| 09:06.26 | pengwyn | hack the devices |
| 09:06.28 | nascentmind | abrocadabro,whats the device id |
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| 09:07.14 | abrocadabro | nascentmind: how do I find that about? |
| 09:07.31 | nascentmind | lspci |
| 09:07.47 | pengwyn | lspci and df -ha tells you what is mounted |
| 09:08.18 | abrocadabro | nascentmind: 15.00.1 |
| 09:08.36 | nascentmind | pengwyn, its not shwoing any dvd or cd mount |
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| 09:09.00 | pengwyn | what's prolly happen is. your sd card, is a device /sda1, and your drive is /sda2 or sdc1 or ? |
| 09:09.06 | pengwyn | right |
| 09:09.12 | pengwyn | the dvd ain't mounted |
| 09:09.24 | pengwyn | you need to symbolically link it |
| 09:09.29 | pengwyn | ln -s |
| 09:09.53 | pengwyn | But you also need to CAREFULLY modify /etc/fstab|mtab |
| 09:10.16 | pengwyn | you should be able to type a command line to hack out mounting it |
| 09:10.43 | abrocadabro | nascentmind: in a console, type 'mount /dev/sd' and then press Tab key, see what have you got |
| 09:10.57 | pengwyn | mount -t iso9660 /dev/something /mnt/dvd.something |
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| 09:11.09 | pengwyn | or vice versa |
| 09:11.32 | pengwyn | I had old boxes do that to me all the time on suse |
| 09:11.44 | pengwyn | install and then no DVD after install |
| 09:11.56 | pengwyn | shifted the devices it did |
| 09:12.22 | pengwyn | plugin a damn thing and mount it I bet it's there |
| 09:12.27 | pengwyn | so.. |
| 09:12.56 | pengwyn | IDENTIFY, your hardware and it's links to /dev/something |
| 09:13.09 | nascentmind | pengwyn,did that just cannot find it. |
| 09:13.23 | pengwyn | got midnight commander? |
| 09:13.25 | pengwyn | mc? |
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| 09:13.49 | pengwyn | mc can hella help ya |
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| 09:14.00 | pengwyn | you can uninstall it after |
| 09:14.43 | pengwyn | nascentmind: just asking, what do you think the device name is? |
| 09:14.55 | pengwyn | nascentmind: or was |
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| 09:15.42 | pengwyn | try that name+b1 +c1 +d1 or +b1 +b2 +b3 etc... hack it |
| 09:15.56 | pengwyn | prolly figure it out in 9 trys |
| 09:16.09 | pengwyn | or 12 with 4 drives |
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| 09:16.34 | pengwyn | ill pm ya |
| 09:17.10 | pengwyn | sorryu channel trying to help folks |
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| 09:23.59 | screamingbytes | pengwyn / nascentmind check your fstab, theoretically you will have an entry there. |
| 09:24.23 | pengwyn | yep I'm on it |
| 09:25.14 | screamingbytes | saving that check the proc dir, look in diskstats and partitions, the disk not in partitions will likely be the cdrom, then enter ide or scsi dir for model etc... to get the driver going i suppose |
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| 09:25.59 | screamingbytes | oh kewl, nvm then |
| 09:26.05 | pengwyn | what's the command to see all partitions and devices without or with being mounted? |
| 09:26.17 | pengwyn | someone told me yesterday |
| 09:26.18 | screamingbytes | df or du |
| 09:26.27 | pengwyn | I swear to god i already forgot |
| 09:26.28 | liable | am i missing something or are you gys talking to yourselves? |
| 09:26.33 | screamingbytes | df is partitions |
| 09:26.37 | pengwyn | no it wasn't df |
| 09:26.41 | screamingbytes | or cat /proc/partitions |
| 09:26.48 | hoxu | pengwyn, fdisk -l |
| 09:26.49 | pengwyn | df was mounted only partitions |
| 09:26.49 | liable | or fdisk -l |
| 09:26.57 | pengwyn | there ya go! yeah |
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| 09:27.10 | pengwyn | liable likely the one that told me |
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| 09:27.19 | screamingbytes | liable: im kinda talkin to pengwyn, he is msg'ing someone in a priv window |
| 09:27.34 | liable | ok |
| 09:27.47 | pengwyn | I can stop |
| 09:28.03 | pengwyn | I am only trying to help folks without losing data |
| 09:28.11 | pengwyn | that's my #1 mission |
| 09:28.18 | pengwyn | don't lose data |
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| 09:28.30 | liable | i dont really give a shit, just wondering whether i was going bonkers ;) |
| 09:28.36 | screamingbytes | nah |
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| 09:28.48 | jpin | Hi, how can i use "apt-get install package=version" to install the dependencies? I'm trying to install an older version of a package |
| 09:28.55 | pengwyn | if he has existing fstab / mtab entries I don't want them broken |
| 09:29.06 | liable | jpin: you cant get it to auto install old depends |
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| 09:29.27 | liable | and why isnt he asking here anyway? |
| 09:29.34 | jpin | liable: how? |
| 09:30.08 | liable | jpin: you have to do it all with dpkg (and that can cause madness depending what the depends are) |
| 09:30.29 | jpin | liable: does dpkg fetch from apt repos? |
| 09:30.35 | liable | nope |
| 09:30.46 | jpin | liable: is there a easy way? |
| 09:31.04 | liable | but if you are lucky they are all in /var/cache/apt/ |
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| 09:31.22 | jpin | liable: they are not |
| 09:31.22 | mudge | does anybody recommend a mail transfer agent? |
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| 09:31.33 | liable | jpin: you can try aptitude, it *may* be able to do it |
| 09:31.35 | mudge | is postfix better than sendmail? |
| 09:31.41 | jpin | liable: hm.. thanks |
| 09:31.59 | liable | mudge: debian recommends exim4, i personally prefer postfix |
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| 09:32.39 | liable | only because exim's config's seem to be made for insane people or perl coders.. |
| 09:32.59 | mbroeker | Happy New Year: http://www.abload.de/img/crashw6d.png |
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| 09:33.16 | n-iCe | how can I know my Bandwidth on site and Bandwidth to LAN |
| 09:33.58 | liable | elaborate |
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| 09:41.41 | BaD-Laptop | i use 'iptraf' and 'iftop' |
| 09:43.03 | simonrvn | happy new year, if you believe in that stuff (j/k) |
| 09:43.06 | jpin | liable: it worked, thanks (aptitude is quite nice) |
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| 09:43.32 | liable | cool |
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| 09:44.43 | Airbottle | hmz |
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| 09:45.04 | simonrvn | yeh, it is nice. sometimes i feel nostalgic about dselect, so i don't uninstall it, but i've grown to prefer aptitude |
| 09:45.21 | [gnubie] | anyone here familiar of customizing the debian stock kernel source before building a binary .deb package? i have a confusion on how can i do a 'make menuconfig' the 'debian way' having all the debian patches already on my selection list? |
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| 09:47.18 | simonrvn | you run make menuconfig, then you run make-kpkg with various options (see man page) |
| 09:47.23 | simonrvn | !k-p |
| 09:47.32 | simonrvn | dpkg: test |
| 09:47.32 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 09:47.38 | simonrvn | !k-p |
| 09:47.48 | simonrvn | the hell |
| 09:48.29 | simonrvn | !kp |
| 09:48.29 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 09:48.45 | simonrvn | [gnubie]: ^^^ |
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| 09:50.41 | vorpal | Happy New Year! |
| 09:50.53 | [gnubie] | simonrvn: that's it? i mean, inside the linux-version directory, i will just do a 'make menuconfig' and it will already load the debian patches on the selection list? |
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| 09:51.38 | simonrvn | well you'll need to tell it to apply the patches, or you can do that manually; there's also a kernel building thingy at newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 09:52.27 | simonrvn | just gotta be sure that the patches are for the right kernel, else you're in for some headaches ;) |
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| 09:53.12 | [gnubie] | simonrvn: how will i tell it or that manually? i found out that ~/linux-version/debian/config/i386/ directory have different config files |
| 09:53.14 | jariep1_ | hello all |
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| 09:53.39 | simonrvn | read the documentation ;) |
| 09:53.44 | jariep1_ | does anybody know if debain and how i can utilise 640x350 resolution EGA adapter card |
| 09:54.09 | pengwyn | crap I couldn't help him FYI for those watching me with sharp eye. <nascentmind> just switched to fedora ;-) |
| 09:54.26 | pengwyn | i tried |
| 09:55.14 | simonrvn | bah, who cares. his choice |
| 09:55.27 | liable | [gnubie]: if you have debian kernel-source, all patches are/will be applied and you can just go about building your kernel |
| 09:55.46 | n-iCe | how do I get tracerout and pings |
| 09:55.59 | simonrvn | oh it does it now? last time i did this it failed to do so |
| 09:56.06 | simonrvn | n-iCe: you use them |
| 09:56.24 | n-iCe | how |
| 09:56.32 | [gnubie] | liable: yeah, i just apt-get'ed the linux-2.6 and there are indeed the debian patches.. but from there, i want to customize first the kernel before building it |
| 09:56.35 | pengwyn | actually i cared. but like I said I care most about not making folks loose data, and if they change to fedora core they have no data |
| 09:56.45 | liable | [gnubie]: customize how? |
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| 09:57.22 | msshams | i upgrade my Debian, and qmail doesn't send via smtp after upgrade |
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| 09:57.29 | msshams | i upgrade these packages: apache2-utils base-config kernel-image-2.6.8-4-686 libapr0 tar vim vim-common |
| 09:57.47 | msshams | do everyone any solution? |
| 09:57.53 | simonrvn | and what do those have to do with qmail? |
| 09:58.03 | [gnubie] | liable: basically, the debian kernel source comes with its own config file(s) and ready for a general purpose use.. but, i want that from that config file(s), i want to do a 'make menuconfig' so that i can customize it |
| 09:58.15 | simonrvn | #qmail for qmail questions, we don't support it here |
| 09:58.48 | pengwyn | thank god i finally don't have a mail server |
| 09:58.54 | liable | [gnubie]: erm, you sure it comes with a .config? |
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| 09:59.49 | [gnubie] | liable: no, it doesn't have a .config inside the linux-version directory but i found a 'split' config files inside the ~/linux-version/debian/config/i386/ directory |
| 10:00.54 | [gnubie] | liable: and if i'm not mistaken, those split config files are being called when you do a 'debuild -us -uc' from that kernel source |
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| 10:01.21 | [gnubie] | liable: to build a generic debian kernel package |
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| 10:02.13 | mbroeker | [gnubie], make menuconfig to get default values to adjust |
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| 10:03.03 | [gnubie] | mbroeker: yeah, but i'm worried if the debian patches will already be in the 'choices' if i just do a 'make menuconfig' |
| 10:03.05 | mbroeker | there is also a noconfig target, but i forgot the proper target name |
| 10:03.10 | liable | [gnubie]: nfi, i havent ever bothered to even look at that stuff. |
| 10:03.16 | liable | just build the damn kernel |
| 10:03.22 | pengwyn | what was that again liable? |
| 10:03.31 | liable | what? |
| 10:03.33 | pengwyn | fsck -i fsck -l? |
| 10:03.36 | liable | -l |
| 10:03.37 | pengwyn | fdisk |
| 10:03.40 | pengwyn | nevermind |
| 10:03.49 | pengwyn | short ass memory |
| 10:03.54 | pengwyn | I am writing that shit down |
| 10:04.11 | liable | lastlog is your friend :P |
| 10:04.25 | pengwyn | fdisk -l && df -ha compare |
| 10:04.35 | pengwyn | then you can figure out what AIN'T mounted |
| 10:04.48 | pengwyn | or df -h even |
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| 10:05.20 | pengwyn | fdisk -l && df -h && cat /etc/fstab && cat /etc/mtab |
| 10:05.24 | pengwyn | yes? |
| 10:05.47 | pengwyn | then they can play mount -t /x /y |
| 10:06.01 | pengwyn | and ln -s /x /y |
| 10:06.02 | liable | yes, that will give lots of output about your mount points |
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| 10:06.43 | pengwyn | But how to protect them from themselves. e.g ln -s hda to some nonworking nonboot crap |
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| 10:06.57 | pengwyn | ;o_ no way I guess |
| 10:07.06 | liable | eh? |
| 10:07.08 | pengwyn | make sure they compare everything |
| 10:07.41 | mbroeker | [gnubie], try make allnoconfig then. That is the most difficult approach... |
| 10:07.50 | pengwyn | I dunno, liable, the guy had installed debian (i dunno what distro) and then his dvd went missing on reboot |
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| 10:08.25 | [gnubie] | mbroeker: oh.. |
| 10:08.27 | pengwyn | it's unimportant but i actually cared. |
| 10:08.38 | liable | pengwyn: ah, thats an old and frustrating issue. I once got someones to work when they used acpi=off on reboot |
| 10:08.40 | BadRobot | hi there,Happy New Year Linuxes |
| 10:09.00 | liable | pengwyn: there is very little info on why the fuck that happens, and you see it here quite often |
| 10:09.05 | pengwyn | i also had it happen in suse many times and fixed it by hacking the above mentioned crap |
| 10:09.07 | mbroeker | Heho BadRobot !! Lets get ready to rumble! |
| 10:10.00 | BadRobot | I need some help regarding Debian Etch install,i have 40 GB free space in my HDD,i am currently using Linux Mint,so i would to install Debian on the rest,so how should i install it? |
| 10:10.13 | pengwyn | that's why I knew what the problem was. WHY it happened that I don't know, but the fix was a simple ln -ls /x /y |
| 10:10.25 | liable | BadRobot: just selsct the free space during install.. |
| 10:10.27 | liable | !ig |
| 10:10.27 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 10:10.31 | liable | read that ^^ |
| 10:10.43 | pengwyn | me? |
| 10:10.47 | liable | no BadRobot |
| 10:10.53 | BadRobot | I have tried to install before,but then i could not boot my mint partition |
| 10:11.13 | BadRobot | should i install it w/o grub? |
| 10:11.24 | pengwyn | liable I hung out with "the suse experts" till they finally banned me |
| 10:11.24 | liable | the installer *should* see your mint install and add it to menu.list |
| 10:11.38 | pengwyn | helping always |
| 10:11.43 | liable | pengwyn: oh well. |
| 10:11.51 | BadRobot | i guess it didn't |
| 10:11.52 | pengwyn | I still have friends there |
| 10:12.04 | hgraey | arf, just noticed etch snuck a sarge repo in there by default and checkinstall failed because of the outdated sarge version with none for etch -.- |
| 10:12.04 | pengwyn | it's just I get drunk |
| 10:12.09 | pengwyn | ya know? |
| 10:12.13 | liable | BadRobot: in any case, you should be able to do it manually after |
| 10:12.26 | BadRobot | Liable,i did select the free space |
| 10:12.33 | simonrvn | hgraey: old cd/iso, that problem was fixed with 4.0r1 |
| 10:12.38 | BadRobot | how could i do it manually? |
| 10:12.43 | pengwyn | just being honest. alright enough of my crap tonight, or this morning now. I fucking love debian. |
| 10:12.52 | hgraey | i downloaded that iso today ;9 |
| 10:12.59 | pengwyn | I am gonna officially shut the fuck up now |
| 10:13.03 | SpeedyG | goodmorning #debian, and a happy newyear |
| 10:13.12 | simonrvn | you too SpeedyG |
| 10:13.14 | liable | BadRobot: you just need to edit menu.list to point to where its kernel and root file system is |
| 10:14.59 | pengwyn | liable, what about killing apci? |
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| 10:15.07 | pengwyn | if you installed with that crap |
| 10:15.18 | pengwyn | can you remove it? |
| 10:15.32 | liable | its a kernel option that sometimes helps |
| 10:15.35 | hgraey | simonrvn, are there more surprises that could hit me coming from the old iso? |
| 10:15.56 | fredl | argh. After the latest lenny updates all my fonts seem to be screwed up once more. |
| 10:15.59 | fredl | oh... |
| 10:16.02 | pengwyn | understood, temperature, fan, disks and slew of garbage |
| 10:16.05 | fredl | Happy Newyear and crap. |
| 10:16.13 | hgraey | apart from that in synaptic etch is still listed as testing ;o |
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| 10:16.25 | pengwyn | and processor... |
| 10:16.28 | pengwyn | lol |
| 10:16.31 | simonrvn | that was a major one, pretty much all there is IIRC. fix came out a day or two after etch released |
| 10:17.21 | pengwyn | liable, what if it's not helping? ;o) |
| 10:17.31 | pengwyn | just askin |
| 10:17.46 | maddash | didn't you "officially shut the fuck up" over 10 entries ago? |
| 10:17.52 | liable | then i have no further ideas |
| 10:18.02 | pengwyn | k mad |
| 10:18.10 | maddash | pengwyn: j/k. |
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| 10:19.45 | pengwyn | i ain't like normal people. i actually ask what's up. i try to help. i try to learn. |
| 10:20.09 | hgraey | simonrvn, the iso i got is debian-40r1-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 10:20.31 | hgraey | don't have the url i got it from anymore, but it's obviously a mislabel then |
| 10:20.37 | pengwyn | normal people watch folks get tazored and maced and then wonder why their eyes burn with pepper spray |
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| 10:20.51 | BadRobot | ha ha |
| 10:21.14 | kraemate | lolz |
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| 10:21.39 | hgraey | it was from an official mirror though |
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| 10:23.06 | pengwyn | I am gonna part real soon, but i hope to god (whatever your choice or nonchoice) that 2008 ain't screwed up by electronic tabulation and that the USA (my country i swore an oath to protect the POTUS and the Constutution) starts actually holding oath breakers to carry the fucking can. |
| 10:23.50 | liable | god bless ya, now go to bed. |
| 10:24.38 | hgraey | heh |
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| 10:25.18 | hgraey | i was just gonna suggest collective civil disobedience to him :/ |
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| 10:26.28 | BadRobot | I just hope USA is not heading to the wrong side |
| 10:26.34 | BadRobot | as it seems |
| 10:26.40 | BadRobot | ;) |
| 10:26.58 | BadRobot | ...let the other countries to be how they want |
| 10:27.44 | hgraey | meh, all western nations are following suit in a more or less open way. happy new year 1984. |
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| 10:31.11 | mbroeker | The Future is wide-open: Enter the crossroad, make your decision. Don't look back! |
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| 10:32.18 | vorpal | hopefully you have a final destination in mind. otherwise, you are just driving around! |
| 10:32.34 | rhs | A choice ! |
| 10:32.42 | liable | and with oil prices as they are, i hope you have a prius.. |
| 10:33.09 | vorpal | they aren't cheap enough |
| 10:34.17 | vorpal | small, economy, gas-only cars are still better for the average consumer |
| 10:34.28 | rhs | open-source oil ? |
| 10:34.49 | rhs | how would that sound like ? |
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| 10:35.33 | telexicon | is there no way to fully replace python 2.4 with python 2.5? |
| 10:35.39 | hgraey | you would have an open oil source (i.e. well) so you can refine your own ;9 |
| 10:35.43 | telexicon | it seems like there are dependency issues |
| 10:36.05 | telexicon | in debian testing |
| 10:36.24 | rhs | install both |
| 10:36.27 | mbroeker | they just discovered a big oil field in the argentinian sea. Cars wont get out of fuel ... |
| 10:36.33 | vorpal | the point is not gas or electric or foo power source. the problem is that private interests still drive national policy. |
| 10:36.33 | liable | that happens in testing |
| 10:36.44 | rhs | bloody capitalists |
| 10:37.21 | rhs | prepare for the communist revolution |
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| 10:37.31 | vorpal | hah. not likely |
| 10:37.36 | hgraey | they're not private if they're listed on nyse :P |
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| 10:38.51 | mbroeker | rhs, communism leads into controlled regimes. That's not what you want in any way. |
| 10:39.03 | streuner_ | !politics |
| 10:39.03 | dpkg | i guess politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 10:39.20 | rhs | mbroeker: communism failed this time but it can work |
| 10:39.28 | BadRobot | which version of gnome debian etch uses? |
| 10:39.40 | Airbottle | what is a good terminal based cpu-workload displayer? |
| 10:39.50 | Airbottle | 2.14 i think Bad |
| 10:40.03 | BadRobot | damm,it's old |
| 10:40.11 | nullvoid | guys speaking about oil, I was in Riyadh couple of months back and it cost 0.30 riyal a liter |
| 10:40.12 | Airbottle | 2.14.3 BadRobot |
| 10:40.24 | BadRobot | some distros are already on 2.21 |
| 10:40.29 | Airbottle | yeah, its damn old |
| 10:40.34 | mbroeker | rhs, i lived in one. I found my way out. My World changed. It took a long time to get familiar with the new system. |
| 10:40.40 | nullvoid | it's less than 0.10 USD a liter |
| 10:40.54 | Airbottle | ubuntu is debian based and has a newer gnome if you want that |
| 10:41.12 | BadRobot | In Brazil they don't use even much oil any more,mostly bio or biodiesel |
| 10:41.15 | rhs | mbroeker: the systems are all ok, the people in it are the problem |
| 10:41.29 | Airbottle | what is a good terminal based cpu-workload displayer? |
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| 10:41.29 | BadRobot | apart they don't need to buy oil from anywhare |
| 10:41.31 | mbroeker | thank you rhs! you are a dumb ass |
| 10:41.39 | BadRobot | they have their own reserves |
| 10:42.12 | Airbottle | communism is in essence the same as capitalism |
| 10:42.32 | Airbottle | our capitalistic system is robbing us from all our freedom |
| 10:42.56 | BadRobot | i think there is nothing wrong with Communism |
| 10:43.04 | Airbottle | the people are happy to give up their freedom for safety |
| 10:43.24 | BadRobot | people chooses the system what is most suitable to them |
| 10:43.29 | hgraey | BadRobot, have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia - the backport repo there has a newer gnome version. i'm gonna try upgrading from there in a few after i'm done with all the base setup and have my backup |
| 10:43.47 | BadRobot | thx hgraey |
| 10:43.54 | Airbottle | i think that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolute, it has always been like that and it will always be like that, i think local communities will do a much better job in controling power and money |
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| 10:44.14 | BadRobot | i think so too |
| 10:44.24 | BadRobot | airbottle |
| 10:44.26 | rhs | Airbottle: we should elect someone who doesn't want to be elected |
| 10:44.42 | BadRobot | Al Gore for president |
| 10:44.47 | Airbottle | any good political system prevents that power becomes concentrated in a few persons |
| 10:45.10 | Airbottle | and i would not be suprised if ron paul is a fraud |
| 10:45.11 | BadRobot | well,i like the Finnish system |
| 10:45.18 | Airbottle | he wants the gold standard |
| 10:45.25 | Airbottle | but who owns all the gold? |
| 10:45.29 | Airbottle | that's the banks |
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| 10:45.32 | Airbottle | private owners |
| 10:45.40 | mbroeker | Operation Grand Slam reloaded, Airbottle ? |
| 10:45.47 | BadRobot | you pay too much taxes,but you get it back with good welfare,education and health care |
| 10:47.39 | Airbottle | ah well, i dont know much about politics, but i have a strong aversion from people with power they become easily corrupted |
| 10:47.55 | Airbottle | what is a good terminal based cpu-workload displayer? |
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| 10:48.27 | rhs | Airbottle: top |
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| 10:49.38 | Airbottle | ok, htop is in rep |
| 10:50.40 | Airbottle | but it looks damn ugly :) |
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| 10:50.56 | rhs | you get what you need |
| 10:51.49 | BadRobot | Airbottle i don't like Ubuntu |
| 10:52.18 | rhs | BadRobot: why ? |
| 10:52.21 | Airbottle | i dont understand why amarok is eating 46% cpu even when its pauzed |
| 10:52.30 | Airbottle | i would go for lenny BadRobot |
| 10:52.50 | rhs | is there a release date for lenny ? |
| 10:52.55 | BadRobot | Because it's too popular |
| 10:53.01 | Airbottle | i thought end 2008 |
| 10:53.11 | BadRobot | I rather keep my Linux MInt |
| 10:53.16 | rhs | aargh, one year to wait |
| 10:53.17 | Airbottle | but there is never a release date |
| 10:53.29 | hgraey | i've tried ubuntu yesterday. i like the desktop part a lot, but it has ugly bugs in xen. so i'm gonna try pimping debian's desktop part a bit and hope i'll finally have something that works :) |
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| 10:54.33 | rhs | what ubuntu is good at is dealing with non-free stuff |
| 10:54.45 | rhs | such as proprietary drivers |
| 10:54.55 | rhs | flash on amd64 |
| 10:55.08 | BadRobot | try Linux Mint or the new PcLinux OS Gnome |
| 10:55.35 | BadRobot | i also use PC-BSD on other box,and it's great |
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| 10:56.24 | hgraey | i've tried pclos, but i think they've overdone the easymode a bit |
| 10:56.45 | Airbottle | i tried pc-bsd some time ago |
| 10:56.48 | Airbottle | its pretty nice! |
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| 10:57.02 | Airbottle | except i don't really like kde |
| 10:57.16 | rhs | what about hurd ? ;) |
| 10:57.19 | fignew | Airbottle: weirdo ;) |
| 10:57.42 | cartouche | happy new year all |
| 10:59.00 | BadRobot | Happy New year |
| 10:59.13 | Airbottle | but i cannot play games on hurd :p |
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| 10:59.42 | BadRobot | I have bought myself a psp,so then i can play games |
| 10:59.58 | BadRobot | and my box some important stuff |
| 11:00.16 | BadRobot | apart my wife gets upset if i play games |
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| 11:03.17 | hgraey | buy her a DS with nintendogs or something. she'll never see it coming, but soon be playing sims, then rts, and in a year or so you can doubleteam the counterstrike servers ;) |
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| 11:04.22 | BadRobot | well,she doesn't have time for that,we have got a baby,well a child |
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| 11:07.13 | tuntun | how can i do a clean install whilst having the latest packages from the update servers? |
| 11:08.02 | epsilon | sounds like normal netinstall? |
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| 11:09.29 | hgraey | debuild is surprisingly easy. just built my first package :) |
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| 11:10.16 | melbrinaes | hi |
| 11:10.26 | magaly | hi |
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| 11:11.06 | hgraey | hi to both your personalities |
| 11:12.06 | magaly | again |
| 11:12.51 | magaly | i have a ati radeon 7000/VE and debian sid , i upgrade and now i have not X, somebody can help me? |
| 11:13.40 | hgraey | you'll probably need a new kernel module for the proprietary driver |
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| 11:14.29 | magaly | hgraey: dont work xserver-xorg-video-ati are free |
| 11:14.34 | magaly | ? |
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| 11:14.48 | hgraey | yeah, that's the free one |
| 11:14.53 | logd | hi is it possible to install debian on a 600mhz notebook with 64mb of ram thus using kde or gnome as environment ? |
| 11:15.10 | mbroeker | logd, i would not recommend it |
| 11:15.14 | logd | and to have decent performances |
| 11:15.19 | Penix | logd: are you serious? |
| 11:15.23 | moshii | logd: yes, I don't know if kde or gnome would be the best choice though |
| 11:15.29 | magaly | hgraey: but donr work :-( |
| 11:15.31 | logd | i know but i'm fighting to find a distro that runs smoothly |
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| 11:15.40 | Penix | logd: it's got nothing to do with the distro |
| 11:15.43 | logd | on such machine |
| 11:15.50 | Penix | logd: you're trying to use kde or gnome with 64mb of ram. that's your problem |
| 11:16.05 | moshii | logd: That won't be a distro problem.. thats running too much or too little |
| 11:16.18 | logd | there are much lightweight oprins ? |
| 11:16.23 | logd | options* |
| 11:16.24 | Penix | logd: loads |
| 11:16.36 | logd | sopls help me find out |
| 11:16.39 | mbroeker | logd, kde needs at least 256 mb of ram to run smoothly. |
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| 11:16.57 | moshii | logd: you'll probably find xfce or something is better with that amount of ram |
| 11:17.02 | hgraey | magaly, i'm not familiar at all with the upgrading procedure in debian and its pitfalls. did you try reinstalling the ati driver? |
| 11:17.15 | Penix | logd: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Guide_to_X11/Window_Managers |
| 11:17.25 | logd | i just need this notebook to be able to play midi files and some divx movies - to have a desktop and to mount usb devices and network automatically |
| 11:17.32 | magaly | hgraey: i tried it but dont work |
| 11:17.45 | moshii | logd: xfce will do then |
| 11:17.46 | mbroeker | logd, my kde system consumes with running xchat, amarok and kopete 220 MB of persistent ram. |
| 11:17.58 | Penix | logd: then you're gonna need a lot more ram |
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| 11:18.28 | moshii | mbroeker: how much memory an app uses depends on how much the kernel can alloc to it though.. so what it uses on your machine might not be the same as another machine |
| 11:18.54 | hgraey | magaly, did you try setting something safe in xorg.conf for testing? like 800x600 16bit, no dri? |
| 11:19.39 | magaly | no |
| 11:19.46 | magaly | i can try it |
| 11:20.12 | magaly | but in this machine have ubuntu and work perfectly |
| 11:20.16 | mbroeker | moshii, well, i have many servers running in the background, thats right. But fluxbox consumes less than 64 mb of ram up and running |
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| 11:20.50 | hgraey | magaly, grep your xorg log for EE and see what's failing |
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| 11:21.29 | moshii | mbroeker: yup, but does fluxbox do things like pixmaps caching.. qt probably grows a bunch of caches if it thinks it has the memory to do so |
| 11:21.38 | magaly | hgraey: yes i do that and said me No valid modes |
| 11:22.04 | moshii | mbroeker: kde also starts sleeping konq instances that eat memory,.. but improve interactivity |
| 11:22.11 | magaly | hgraey: can you see my log? i can put it in pastebien |
| 11:22.41 | hgraey | pase your xorg.conf as well please |
| 11:22.48 | hgraey | paste* |
| 11:23.06 | mbroeker | moshii, so would you agree that a usable kde desktop environment needs at least 128 MB of physical ram? |
| 11:23.20 | magaly | hgraey: wait a min please |
| 11:23.52 | moshii | mbroeker: I used to use kde on a machine with 32meg.. but kde was running on another machine ;) |
| 11:24.30 | moshii | mbroeker: you could probaby run the core of kde on 64meg, if all you did was browsing with konq |
| 11:24.45 | mbroeker | moshii, i configured a diskless workstation for my neighbours: i486 with 16MB Ram and an vesa local graphics board. |
| 11:25.20 | mbroeker | moshii, they booted with a floppy disc and got their operating system via nfs. |
| 11:25.26 | moshii | mbroeker: its nice recycling computers, shame those old machine use so much power |
| 11:25.33 | mbroeker | and thats with kde-3.2 |
| 11:26.44 | hgraey | much power? how so? |
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| 11:27.32 | Airbottle | if you want to save energy: linutop, zonbu |
| 11:27.37 | Airbottle | very little pc's |
| 11:27.58 | moshii | hgraey: The performance/watt of old hardware probably isn't that great.. 5v logic etc |
| 11:28.39 | Airbottle | linutop: 5w energy consuption :p |
| 11:29.35 | hgraey | moshii: that's true, but they don't each much in total |
| 11:29.48 | magaly | hgraey: http://pastebin.com/m58bc5ebe |
| 11:30.52 | moshii | hgraey: processors of that age don't have low power modes, need fans,.. you can get 400mhz PPC system thats smaller than a cd cash for $99 these days |
| 11:31.03 | hgraey | magaly, and your xorg.conf please? |
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| 11:31.27 | moshii | s/cash/case |
| 11:31.28 | magaly | hgraey: okis wait |
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| 11:32.07 | hgraey | oh, 486s or p1 don't need fans :) |
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| 11:32.39 | Airbottle | i have an amd x2 3.8 with geforce 7600 all passive |
| 11:32.41 | mbroeker | hgraey, wont forget theese days... |
| 11:32.45 | Airbottle | only the psu has a fan |
| 11:32.47 | Airbottle | :p |
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| 11:33.07 | Airbottle | even my cpu and gpu are passive cooled |
| 11:33.21 | magaly | hgraey: http://pastebin.com/d5defc6f3 |
| 11:33.45 | Hoxzer | Airbottle: How warm are they under the load ? |
| 11:34.19 | Airbottle | gpu 37° |
| 11:34.25 | Airbottle | under load its around 45° |
| 11:34.31 | Airbottle | cpu i dont know |
| 11:34.37 | Hoxzer | :/ grrr |
| 11:34.38 | Airbottle | but i have a thermaltake tower, and it feels cool |
| 11:34.41 | Airbottle | even under load |
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| 11:35.44 | Airbottle | i tried to install sensor package, but it doesnt work for one reason or another |
| 11:35.45 | Hoxzer | :\ I'm thinking of buying zalman's passive water cooling system to cool 2.4Ghz Pentium 4 on my HTPC/server |
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| 11:36.15 | Hoxzer | atm, I have a zalman 7000 and one fan pulling air in. 62c |
| 11:36.28 | hgraey | magaly, CRT monitor? |
| 11:36.28 | Airbottle | i have a zalman in my other pc |
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| 11:36.38 | Airbottle | i'm not impressed by zalman |
| 11:36.42 | Hoxzer | The load stays somewhere at 30 all th etime |
| 11:36.52 | Hoxzer | Airbottle: zalman's are said to be quiet |
| 11:36.57 | magaly | hgraey: TFT 19" |
| 11:37.02 | xingu | well, given the amount of booze consumed, that's been a remarkably hangover free new year |
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| 11:37.45 | liable | never be fooled when you initially wake up feeling ok. |
| 11:37.51 | Airbottle | oh, i looked it up, i dont have a thermaltake, ihave thermalright HR-01 heatsink |
| 11:37.56 | Airbottle | its a very good one |
| 11:38.04 | Airbottle | i use it passive |
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| 11:38.38 | hgraey | magaly, ok. check your monitor's specs for max horizontal refresh rate. it should safe to just set HorizSync to 30-110 (section "monitor") |
| 11:38.53 | Airbottle | my brother has a scythe ninja scnj-1000 cpu cooler, and he uses it also passive |
| 11:39.08 | Airbottle | he's also pleased with it |
| 11:39.20 | magaly | hgraey: ummmm wel i try it |
| 11:39.24 | liable | the fucking things are huge though |
| 11:39.49 | magaly | thanks |
| 11:40.03 | Airbottle | idd, but a vacuum cleaner in your pc is also a pain in the ass :) |
| 11:40.05 | hgraey | i'm done with air cooling. dual cpu and several disks and you still have a leaf blower |
| 11:41.00 | hgraey | with manufactured water cooling out there it's really easy to set up these days, and not horribly expensive either |
| 11:41.35 | liable | i broke my original fan, went to the local shop and they gave me one that the heatsink didnt fit. the fan kinda sits on top of my old heatsink ok though. hasnt shutdown from overheating yet |
| 11:42.25 | Airbottle | a normal desktop doesn't need water cooling i think |
| 11:42.55 | hgraey | depends on how much noise you can bear :) |
| 11:42.58 | Airbottle | if the disks are put automatically on standby with hdparm, you can save a lot of heat |
| 11:43.19 | Airbottle | i have only 1 fan in my pc, thats from the psu hgraey |
| 11:43.31 | Airbottle | and my pc is on 24/7 |
| 11:43.41 | hgraey | is it a minicube? |
| 11:43.56 | Airbottle | no, amd x2 3.8 with gforce7600gs |
| 11:44.34 | Airbottle | (but i modded the northbridge cooler a bit, and i extended the gforce passive cooler :)) |
| 11:44.45 | hgraey | what's the case temp on that? |
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| 11:45.16 | Airbottle | no idea, but its not much, the cpu heatsink doesn't feel warm so i guess everything is under control |
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| 11:46.10 | Airbottle | how can i check cpu temperature? |
| 11:46.13 | hgraey | yeah, you can get local hotspots at the vrm or disks though with so little air going through |
| 11:46.40 | Airbottle | thats right, but i have only 2 disks, with one is on standby most of the time |
| 11:46.45 | hgraey | should probably have a sensor on the board for general environment temperature |
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| 11:51.17 | Airbottle | /dev/sda: SAMSUNG HD400LJ: 30°C |
| 11:51.55 | simonrvn | that's fine |
| 11:52.02 | hgraey | good enough :) |
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| 11:52.27 | simonrvn | good operatng temp. |
| 11:52.43 | |Virtus| | Happy 2008 everyone :D |
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| 11:55.55 | Airbottle | Sys Temp: +29°C (high = -118°C, hyst = +58°C) |
| 11:55.55 | Airbottle | CPU Temp: +35.5°C (high = +15.0°C, hyst = +13.0°C) ALARM |
| 11:55.55 | Airbottle | AUX Temp: +35.0°C (high = +80.0°C, hyst = +75.0°C) |
| 11:56.34 | Airbottle | and all fans on ALARM :) |
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| 11:57.17 | hgraey | that's pretty impressive for all-passive |
| 11:57.43 | |Virtus| | thats really nice |
| 11:57.45 | hgraey | did you try running a stress-test for an hour or so? |
| 11:57.54 | |Virtus| | my cpu is around 60c |
| 11:57.56 | Airbottle | gpu is 37°C |
| 11:58.07 | mbroeker | my cpu is always above 50°C |
| 11:58.33 | |Virtus| | got the 2.4ghz core 2 @ 3ghz |
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| 11:59.07 | |Virtus| | runs those seti@home packages every 1œ hours |
| 11:59.13 | liable | your probably helping the nsa crack your pgp :P |
| 11:59.20 | |Virtus| | lol |
| 11:59.22 | |Virtus| | hardly :D |
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| 12:00.29 | |Virtus| | afk.. gotta wait for the seti screensaver now ;;o) |
| 12:01.07 | Airbottle | hehe hgraey that will be exciting :) |
| 12:01.11 | hgraey | i have around 40°C on the cpus with closed circuit water cooling and low water throughput |
| 12:01.19 | mbroeker | i tried boinc and wanted to partizipate on medical projects. but the servers were down for a week, no projects available. So i gave up changing the world. |
| 12:01.20 | Airbottle | http://www.hardware.info/images/news/hr01x2.gif here is a pic of the cooler :) |
| 12:01.24 | moshii | s/that/the |
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| 12:02.16 | Airbottle | i'll do a stress test for 10 minutes and check again |
| 12:02.34 | liable | i cant remember what my boinc runs, i think its the africa aids one |
| 12:02.50 | |Virtus| | Geez, my site had 807 yesterday.. or.. last day of last year :D |
| 12:02.56 | |Virtus| | 807 hits |
| 12:03.17 | |Virtus| | and there was 19 online in the realms @ midnight |
| 12:03.26 | Airbottle | what stress test should i use? |
| 12:03.33 | |Virtus| | gotta love wow gamers! dedicated to the bone |
| 12:03.46 | liable | Airbottle: compile oo.org |
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| 12:04.44 | hgraey | Airbottle, i haven't found something that really stresses the gpu and the cpu on linux at the same time yet |
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| 12:05.09 | Airbottle | stress: FAIL: [11260] (155) missing argument to option '--cpu' |
| 12:05.09 | hgraey | a 3d physics simulation with shader effects would do the trick |
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| 12:05.38 | mbroeker | i found one, hgraey: Try the quake-wars-demo for linux |
| 12:06.08 | jamesd_ | hgraey, i don't think "the sims" is availible in linux ;-) |
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| 12:06.55 | mbroeker | jamesd_, but second-life with his buggy linux client stresses too |
| 12:07.18 | hgraey | note to self: get "the sims - summer of tsunamis 2030 edition" |
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| 12:08.55 | xingu | hgraey: spec viewperf ;) |
| 12:09.00 | mbroeker | happy new year, dpkg |
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| 12:09.53 | kgoetz | dpkg: *hug* |
| 12:09.53 | dpkg | /me returns the hug |
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| 12:10.19 | Airbottle | Sys Temp: +29°C (high = -118°C, hyst = +58°C) |
| 12:10.20 | Airbottle | CPU Temp: +37.5°C (high = +15.0°C, hyst = +13.0°C) ALARM |
| 12:10.20 | Airbottle | AUX Temp: +37.0°C (high = +80.0°C, hyst = +75.0°C) |
| 12:10.29 | Airbottle | after 70 s of stress |
| 12:11.12 | Airbottle | i go to eat now |
| 12:11.27 | hgraey | xingu, does specview do sm2/3? i was under the impression it uses some OGL engines from DCC programs |
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| 12:17.06 | xingu | hgraey: sm2/3 ? |
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| 12:18.44 | xingu | hgraey: viewperf uses whatever glx provider it can link its grubby hands on; most of them will be forced during the run to execute at least part of the benchmark on the host side |
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| 12:20.27 | OXIj | i have a raw image of hdd vith mbr and DOS partitions table. how can i make it accesseble as /dev/vhdd /dev/vhdd1 /dev/vhdd2 /dev/vhdd3 etc? (map dev to virtual patrtitions) |
| 12:21.51 | hgraey | xingu, shader model (referring to their directx naming). honestly i don't know how far OGL got with pixel/vertex shaders because none of my linux boxes have graphics cards worth mentioning ;( |
| 12:23.41 | xingu | hgraey: I'm not au-fait enough with the concepts to comment; I can however assure you that viewperf will stretch your cpu+gpu's legs. |
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| 12:24.16 | xingu | hgraey: besides, pixel/vertex shaders are yesterday's hoopla, it's all stream processors now ;) |
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| 12:26.33 | mavhk | my quantum graphics card is awesome, 300 fps, if you don't look at the screen |
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| 12:27.28 | hgraey | i wonder when that's all gonna be on a multicore cpu like cell |
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| 12:28.23 | xingu | hgraey: at a guess - never; they're vectorized/threaded, instead. |
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| 12:29.21 | nascentmind | hi |
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| 12:29.53 | nascentmind | i installed debian and after that my dvd rom doesn't get recognized. |
| 12:30.02 | nascentmind | how can i solve the problem? |
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| 12:31.11 | acc_ | Hi, all. I just set up a lenny box and *some* of my X fonts (in particular, the one inside the GDM username/password textbox) are very oversized. Any ideas what could be causing this? |
| 12:31.12 | xingu | hgraey: multicore solves a different problem - parallelising above and beyond superscalar |
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| 12:35.44 | hgraey | xingu, i'm not really deep into the matter, but the difference between gpu and cpu has never been smaller. and it would be kinda neat to have the system able to distribute resources among graphics and physics processing as needed |
| 12:36.00 | hgraey | just found something interesting on that: http://mainroach.blogspot.com/2007/11/gpgpu-vs-multi-core-cpu.html |
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| 12:36.38 | rewtah | yes |
| 12:37.02 | nascentmind | can anybody help me? |
| 12:37.12 | xingu | hgraey: the difference is huge; modern gpu's are _vector_ designs, massively so (hence, the shift to stream processors); they also have insanely hungry memory busses and little in the way of classic cache |
| 12:37.49 | xand | nascentmind: what is the error/what are you doing exactly? |
| 12:38.12 | xingu | hgraey: modern cpu's are packages of multiple smt/superscalar cores |
| 12:38.14 | nascentmind | xand: i am not able to find my dvd rom device. |
| 12:38.28 | xand | nascentmind: how are you looking? |
| 12:38.48 | nascentmind | xand: i could install debian.. but after that i am not able to mount the rom because the device is not present. |
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| 12:39.25 | xand | nascentmind: if you run "dmesg | grep -i dvd" does it list anything? |
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| 12:39.41 | hgraey | xingu, but modern cpus already have some extensions making them more efficient at vector operations or not? |
| 12:40.02 | xingu | hgraey: nowhere near the silicon budget spent on it |
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| 12:40.57 | xingu | hgraey: some of these newer _consumer_ designs have have 128 or 256-way concurrency |
| 12:41.09 | nascentmind | xand: nothing. |
| 12:41.31 | hultiz | I just installed PAM from a tarball, and all of a sudden I can't use su and I can't logon to my accouts (Access denied). How did this happen? |
| 12:41.36 | xand | nascentmind: what kernel have you got, and is it a SATA drive? |
| 12:41.39 | kira | can somebdy tell me what should i do do got the function to use TABULATOR example: apt-get install lin (hiting Tabulator) and then he shows me a list of options? |
| 12:42.16 | xingu | hgraey: yes, they have vector operations - but no, they are not (in the gpu sense) highly vectorised cores |
| 12:43.20 | xingu | hgraey: typically, there's only one vector core per core, and it can only deal with a single pipeline (which might be an Nx way add/multiply/whatever matrix op) |
| 12:43.21 | nascentmind | xand: its 2.6.18 and the hard disks are sata. |
| 12:43.40 | xingu | vector core per cpu core |
| 12:44.08 | xand | nascentmind: I mean the dvd |
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| 12:44.22 | xand | nascentmind: it could be the kernel is too old |
| 12:44.54 | nascentmind | xand:how can i say its sata? |
| 12:45.54 | hultiz | I just installed PAM from a tarball, and all of a sudden I can't logon to my accouts (Access denied). What the heck has happened? Can I fix it? |
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| 12:46.15 | xand | nascentmind: if it has a sata cable... |
| 12:46.25 | xingu | hgraey: don't underrate those memory bus designs either; keeping x-many vector pipelines fed is why you see those memory clocks and things like ddr3; but part of the point is that it's _possible_ to keep them fed - because you're dealing with a vectorised workload |
| 12:47.46 | nascentmind | xand:its a laptop |
| 12:48.02 | hgraey | xingu, i see. i've just discovered papers to read for the new year's rainy sundays - all of them :) |
| 12:48.37 | xingu | hgraey: on a non-vectorised workload, you have to get tricky with tiered cache designs, speculative execution, register files, etc - to extract any kind of parallelism from a sequential execution stream |
| 12:48.52 | xand | nascentmind: how old? |
| 12:49.23 | xingu | hgraey: hence the (silicon) budget spent on precisely that - fast icache/dcache, register file, smt, branch target prediction, etc. |
| 12:49.54 | liable | wow, that was hard to understand |
| 12:50.06 | nascentmind | xand:its brand new. |
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| 12:50.23 | nascentmind | xand:its compaq persario v6000 series |
| 12:50.59 | hgraey | yeah, i'm still wondering if that's just residual alcohol that's making my head spin ;) |
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| 12:52.19 | xingu | hgraey: I'm guessing that article's author will eventually realise that a "gpu" is a general purpose _vector_ processor, not just a rasteriser; for instance, crypto is vectorisable. :) |
| 12:53.00 | hgraey | xingu, IDS as well :D http://www.acsac.org/2006/abstracts/74.html |
| 12:53.57 | xingu | hgraey: so are many kinds of data analysis - signal processing, voice/video recognition and synthesis, quantitative trading, ... :) |
| 12:54.56 | xingu | hgraey: if a problem can be expressed as a foo-to-bar sausage factory and it can operate on adjacent data cells concurrently, you're looking at a potential win |
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| 12:55.15 | hgraey | wha? |
| 12:55.22 | liable | mmmm, sausages |
| 12:55.22 | hgraey | sausage factory? |
| 12:55.43 | xingu | hgraey: same operation repeated without resetting the computational parameters |
| 12:56.15 | xingu | hgraey: the _setup_ time dominates for many vector workloads; the amount of time it takes to tool the factory verses the amount of time it takes to operate the machine once set. |
| 12:56.37 | xand | nascentmind: if it's new, it's probably a SATA issue, hard to say for sure |
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| 12:58.04 | hgraey | xingu, SIMD? |
| 12:58.36 | xingu | hgraey: that's one technique for keeping vector cores fed; you can scale your memory bus sideways at a given clock rate |
| 12:59.21 | hgraey | sausage factory... gotta remember that one :D |
| 12:59.30 | dutchfish | xingu, you where talking about HPC? http://www.nvidia.com/object/promotion_tesla_dec07.html |
| 12:59.38 | xingu | hgraey: the threads in a vector processor typically abstract the SI away from the MD though; the code is loaded in a discrete setup phase, and then the thread is pointed at some data to go work on. |
| 12:59.40 | nascentmind | xand: any other way to get it working? |
| 12:59.52 | xingu | dutchfish: ;) yes. :) |
| 13:00.01 | xand | nascentmind: it's odd that the installer worked though :| |
| 13:00.07 | nascentmind | xand: yes |
| 13:00.13 | dutchfish | xingu, i was thinking to build a box myself for some days now |
| 13:00.18 | nascentmind | xand:thats what is surprising |
| 13:00.25 | nascentmind | xand:and everything worked well. |
| 13:00.38 | nascentmind | xand:until first time boot |
| 13:00.52 | dutchfish | xingu, to implement my fats breeder algo on it |
| 13:00.59 | dutchfish | xingu, fast* |
| 13:01.01 | nitrile | I really suspect your cd/dvd is just on hda |
| 13:01.12 | xingu | hgraey: SIMD tends to feature more on superscalar designs that have vector core; and also, superscalar designs with no real speculative execution/ branch prediction like the i860 |
| 13:01.21 | xand | nitrile: why wouldn't it show up in dmesg? |
| 13:01.26 | xand | hmm |
| 13:01.48 | xingu | hgraey: ... a vector core in addition to their floating point, integer, etc parts. |
| 13:01.54 | xand | is installing debian to jffs2 a bad idea? (not that the installer supports it...) |
| 13:01.58 | nascentmind | nitrile: i did a ls /dev/hd* and nothingshows up |
| 13:02.10 | nascentmind | nitrile:in fstab it shows as /dev/hda |
| 13:03.13 | hgraey | xingu, but re dsp/multimedia: that's why i do think the cpu manufacturers might look into that direction. there's not much more going in terms of raw clock speed and the applications for future home computers need the stuff. so integrating that with vector cores would kinda make sense from my naive point of view, leading to cpus that could compete with low-end graphics chipsö |
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| 13:03.33 | xingu | hgraey: vector cores tend to operate more like multiple, discrete signal processors - a short-ish list of operations held in sram within the stream processor itself, and a giant hosepipe worth of memory coupling for fetch/store |
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| 13:05.00 | xingu | hgraey: I'd be surprised as I said, they're two quite distinct problems; putting both in packages on the same die will give you a worse yield for a given process than either alone, and, also slow your rate of innovation to new process and to new technology |
| 13:05.35 | xingu | hgraey: having said that, you've just described amd's roadmap; it's one way to make more margin out of old product, I guess. |
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| 13:07.10 | xingu | hgraey: what it does give you as a benefit is a faster bus (shorter and more traces) between your vector and general purpose cores; so faster setup times for the vector core, and lower penalty for executing some of the vector workload in software on the host side. |
| 13:07.56 | xingu | hgraey: I can't ever really see cutting edge vector or general processing designs being issued that way though |
| 13:08.12 | xingu | hgraey: history is littered with examples of what happens to those that tried |
| 13:09.42 | hgraey | ah, the puzzle comes together now :p buying ati and non-disclosed specs... they're working on the "ahypercube 720" with "c-block" processors ;p |
| 13:10.07 | dutchfish | xingu, i am wondering if this technology also will bring powersavings to increased cpu/gpu proc power .... |
| 13:10.37 | liable | i am wondering wtf you guys are on about |
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| 13:14.10 | H4ZE | how can i see how much RAM has my computer? and how much of ram is used/free? |
| 13:14.48 | xingu | dutchfish: I don't think cutting edge gpu designs are ever going to be bothered about power budget - _old_ designs, yes; usual tricks, die-shrink, variable clocks, and being able to power up/ power down the vector units depending on workload (hey, you just described nvidia's "go" line, and powermizer) |
| 13:15.09 | dutchfish | H4ZE, cat /proc/meminfo |
| 13:15.14 | xingu | dutchfish: but a low power application is not _leading_ the performance race, it's trailing it. |
| 13:15.31 | H4ZE | thanks dutch |
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| 13:15.32 | hgraey | xingu, about the bus, wouldn't just the shorter physical lines (less resistance/crosstalk potential) make it potentially several times faster? if so that could make up for some of the disadvantages i guess |
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| 13:15.55 | dutchfish | xingu, ok, gotcha |
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| 13:16.30 | raz | creating a mirror with debmirror right now |
| 13:16.36 | xingu | hgraey: yes; a package-to-package hypertransport interface is going to run rings around one running over physical traces; roughly the same effect as running a packed rollercoaster into a wall of jell-o at full tilt |
| 13:16.40 | raz | just curious, why isn't it using rsync? |
| 13:16.43 | dutchfish | xingu, tho i am still dreaming of my own mini with moderate power demands |
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| 13:17.36 | xingu | hgraey: but the _disadvantages_ of doing so (defect rate, interlock between general purpose and graphics core design for a given process) are going to hand your arse to your competitors on a plate |
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| 13:18.15 | xand | dagnammit |
| 13:18.24 | xingu | dutchfish: just pick a performance level that's adequate, wait, and hop off the merry-go-round; I bet a fanless 7950gtx will do everything you need |
| 13:19.00 | xand | if I were to replace the kernel on a netinstall cd with one that had jffs2 support, would hte installer offer that as a filesystem option for / ? |
| 13:19.22 | xingu | dutchfish: if it doesn't need a fan, comes on a half-height card, and can unpick h.264, then that's about the end of it; hell, even one of these new-ish x3100's or whatever they're called would probably do. |
| 13:19.31 | hgraey | not to mention 1 or 2 generations behind is much nicer on the wallet :D |
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| 13:19.59 | dutchfish | xingu, i meant something of about the mips of 400 cores |
| 13:20.11 | xingu | oic :) |
| 13:20.12 | hgraey | prices for cutting edge graphics cards are insane already, and then you better buy 4 |
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| 13:20.27 | moshii | just buy a console.. |
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| 13:21.54 | xingu | dutchfish: sun's leading that race at the moment; ultrasparc t2; 8core, 8-way smt per core. |
| 13:22.01 | xingu | dutchfish: low power too. |
| 13:22.06 | random | What's the average compression rate for FLAC when going from WAV? (I don't need smartass answers, since I already know what that smartass answer is...) |
| 13:22.15 | dutchfish | xingu, yes i know |
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| 13:22.44 | dutchfish | random, 800 => 150 - 200mb |
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| 13:22.56 | random | dutchfish: hmm, that's quite a lot. Thanks |
| 13:23.07 | hgraey | dutchfish, i think it's a bit worse |
| 13:23.11 | hgraey | like 3:1 or so |
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| 13:23.56 | nascentmind | when i do a apt-get update it fails to get packges.gz and subprocess gzip returns with an error code. what is the problem? |
| 13:24.03 | moshii | Is it the same as gzip, ratio-wise? |
| 13:24.15 | xingu | dutchfish: you gotta respect a vendor that ships 10GE interface in 2U systems :) |
| 13:24.17 | moshii | *isn't |
| 13:24.31 | dutchfish | xingu, :) |
| 13:24.40 | hgraey | moshii, should be |
| 13:24.46 | liable | nascentmind: try another mirror |
| 13:24.52 | hgraey | wiki says even 2:1 |
| 13:25.05 | random | hgraey: I couldn't find it in the FAQ, URL please |
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| 13:25.17 | hgraey | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Lossless_Audio_Codec |
| 13:25.25 | xingu | dutchfish: we've been trialling t5220's for a bit of system consolidation next year |
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| 13:25.37 | dutchfish | nascentmind, http://www.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ |
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| 13:25.47 | rdorsch | what is a good java runtime environment in Debian? I saw icedtea in Ubuntu, but that seems to be not there in Debian. |
| 13:25.55 | xand | rdorsch: the sun one |
| 13:26.15 | spee | ^ |
| 13:26.22 | moshii | xand: netbeans? |
| 13:26.26 | xand | what? |
| 13:26.30 | xand | no, Sun Java |
| 13:26.40 | xand | JRE, not an IDE |
| 13:26.45 | random | moshii: you are mixing up concepts. |
| 13:26.50 | moshii | yeah, noticed my mistake haha |
| 13:27.16 | brif8 | I have just installed debian and gnome ;) I want to use iceDove and not evolution. If I go to Synaptic and try to remove evolution it wants to delete gnome-desktop-environment, will this break what I have now ? and If so, how can I safely remove evolution ? |
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| 13:27.31 | random | brif8: it won't break anything. |
| 13:27.44 | random | brif8: Just Do It. |
| 13:27.44 | xand | rdorsch: if you add non-free to your sources you can install sun-java5-jre |
| 13:27.49 | liable | brif8: thats fine, the package it wants to remove is a meta package |
| 13:27.53 | moshii | brif8: gnome-desktop-environment is a meta package,.. it doesn't contain anything |
| 13:27.53 | brif8 | random: what then in gnome-desktop-environment ? |
| 13:27.53 | xand | (or sun-java6-jre in testing) |
| 13:27.54 | rdorsch | xand: thanks. I had non-free disabled until nod (default installation setup) |
| 13:28.02 | random | brif8: There is a slightly longer explanation. |
| 13:28.17 | brif8 | besides a meta-package? |
| 13:28.35 | random | brif8: if you know what a meta-package is, then you don't need to ask. |
| 13:28.41 | brif8 | no I don't |
| 13:28.53 | rdorsch | xand: I am running lenny. Do you anyways recommend java5 not java6? |
| 13:28.59 | liable | brif8: a meta package is just a package that pulls in other packages |
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| 13:29.09 | moshii | brif8: gnome-desktop-environment just depends on a set of packages that make up a "gnome desktop environment" |
| 13:29.30 | xand | rdorsch: if it was the jdk then maybe 5 to write compatible code... but otherwise 6 |
| 13:29.37 | Trinchen | Hi I need help with my etch-system: When my system is booting, the message occurs: boot fsck.ext2: Device or resource busy while trying to open <DISK THAT IS BEEING MOUNTET AS BOOT PARTITION>. Then the kernel offers me a rescue shell. How to fix? |
| 13:29.59 | brif8 | aaah!! so deleting evolution and gnome-desktop-environment, just says the whole proposed environment is not available, right ? |
| 13:30.09 | random | brif8: the only case where you might find unwanted behaviour is when gnome gets upgraded to say version 2.40 (20 years from now ;) ) and you don't see "default applications" being included. |
| 13:30.22 | random | brif8: but then you can just install them when you need them. |
| 13:30.33 | brif8 | right, thank you all |
| 13:30.33 | random | brif8: that's the only disadvantage. |
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| 13:31.05 | random | 10 years* |
| 13:31.26 | brif8 | random: 10 years in IT terms a lifetime, right ? |
| 13:31.38 | Trinchen | Hi I need help with my etch-system: When my system is booting, the message occurs: fsck.ext2: Device or resource busy while trying to open <DISK THAT IS BEEING MOUNTET AS BOOT PARTITION>. Then the kernel offers me a rescue shell. How to fix? |
| 13:31.41 | random | Or 5 even. |
| 13:31.42 | moshii | random: hopefully they won't totally cock it up like kde.. |
| 13:31.58 | random | Gnome skips uneven numbers, right? |
| 13:32.02 | liable | Trinchen: i guess run fsck from that rescue shell. I cant think why it cant do it itself. What have you got thats unusual with your install? |
| 13:32.04 | moshii | Trinchen: you need to learn to wait |
| 13:32.30 | liable | Trinchen: dont repeat like that otherwise we will just ignore you |
| 13:32.38 | Trinchen | Ok |
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| 13:32.48 | Trinchen | Sorry. :) |
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| 13:35.43 | hgraey | moshii, i've been using kde for a while but i'm a newly converted gnome disciple now :) just missing some apps like amarok and konqueror (minus the bugs) |
| 13:36.03 | random | hgraey: why not run them both? |
| 13:36.23 | random | hgraey: i.e. gnome + amarok |
| 13:36.32 | hgraey | amarok, sure |
| 13:36.46 | Trinchen | liable: manual fsck just outputs the dame message. |
| 13:36.57 | Trinchen | liable: same |
| 13:36.57 | hgraey | but konq for me is about the integration as a file browser |
| 13:37.05 | liable | Trinchen: which is? |
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| 13:37.20 | liable | nevermind |
| 13:37.45 | moshii | hgraey: I installed the kde4 packages from experimental, downgraded very quickly, looking for an escape route before its released |
| 13:37.47 | liable | i dont understand why thats happening |
| 13:37.50 | Trinchen | liable: fsck.ext2: Device or resource busy while trying to open <DISK THAT IS BEEING MOUNTET AS BOOT PARTITION>. |
| 13:38.12 | liable | Trinchen: in the rescue shell, remount it ro |
| 13:38.18 | liable | then fsck it |
| 13:38.55 | Trinchen | liable: It is not mountet at all. |
| 13:39.05 | Trinchen | liable: Shall I? |
| 13:39.27 | liable | Trinchen: yes you shall |
| 13:39.40 | liable | whatever that was in relation to.. |
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| 13:39.49 | Trinchen | liable: Mounting ro |
| 13:39.52 | hgraey | moshii, i couldn't even see menus in kde4. guess you need a midrange 3d graphics card with dri or something ;) |
| 13:41.14 | moshii | hgraey: that's a feature. They copied it directly from <insert desktop with lots of really bad concepts here> |
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| 13:44.19 | hgraey | yeah, i totally need translucent buttons and windows so i can read the text below the segfault message ;) |
| 13:44.40 | brif8 | surely gnome is also not a meta-package? I selected epiphany for deletion and it wants to delete (epiphany-extensions (OK) , epiphany-gecko (OK) , gnome (WHAT!!!) and gnome-desktop-environment ) ??? |
| 13:45.05 | liable | brif8: apt-cache show gnome |
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| 13:46.55 | random | Tag: role::metapackage |
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| 13:49.13 | Dewi | does anyone know why a simple grep is 5-10 times slower than the equivalent perl script? |
| 13:49.43 | jelly-home | Dewi: what is your locale? |
| 13:49.49 | Dewi | jelly-home: en.AU-UTF8 |
| 13:50.00 | hgraey | hm, the gmenu-simple-editor in a default etch install won't let me do anything but check/uncheck displayed menu items. is that just because it's so old? |
| 13:50.05 | jelly-home | Dewi: how about LANG=C grep foo bar ? |
| 13:50.10 | Dewi | jelly-home: I'll try |
| 13:50.20 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: did you test the perl script after testing grep? |
| 13:50.29 | jelly-home | Dewi: (or any 8-bit locale I guess) |
| 13:50.33 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: this is all repeated with caching |
| 13:50.36 | Dewi | jelly-home: aha! |
| 13:50.39 | Dewi | jelly-home: now grep wins |
| 13:50.48 | Dewi | jelly-home: LANG=C just increased speed by like 20 *times* |
| 13:51.00 | Trinchen | liable: Ok, I know now, what's wrong. I distinguished my 2 drives in fstab, so the kernel was ordered to mount a partition to /boot that didn't contain the real boot partition... :/ |
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| 13:51.28 | liable | Trinchen: ok. |
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| 13:51.51 | Dewi | jelly-home: on the bright side, that's easier than changing all my grep scripts to perl |
| 13:52.06 | jelly-home | Dewi: yeah, the UTF-8 enable regexp library GNU grep uses is slow |
| 13:52.08 | Dewi | jelly-home: however you've also made me extremely depressed about internationalisation. As if I wasn't already. |
| 13:52.09 | liable | *shudder* |
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| 13:52.19 | Trinchen | liable: Thank you for help me think. :) |
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| 13:52.55 | liable | Trinchen: i didnt do anything, but make you think i guess. :) |
| 13:53.00 | jelly-home | Dewi: try case-insensitive grepping for characters that can take 1-4 bytes, see how fast you do it ;-) |
| 13:53.17 | chris_abyi | hey! I tried to mount my ntfs-partition which is situated on the same hd as my linux ext3-sys. This is what I wrote in my etc/fstab : /dev/sda2 /media/windows_share vfat user,auto,vmask=000,utf8 0 0, unfortunately. "mount /media/windows_share" returns: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2, .. , do you have any hint for me? |
| 13:53.41 | moshii | chris_abyi: ntfs isnt fat |
| 13:54.04 | Dewi | jelly-home: yeah, I've noticed quite often that -i caused my scripts to just drop through the floor |
| 13:54.16 | Dewi | jelly-home: I never could explain it, but with unicode it makes a depressing kind of sense |
| 13:54.21 | chris_abyi | moshii: I just read this command in an how-to, which was specified for ntfs AND fat32 .. , is there any method to get access to ntfs-partitions? |
| 13:54.24 | jelly-home | Dewi: I'd accept it being 2 times slower, but this is poor |
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| 13:54.25 | moshii | chris_abyi: The output from mount actually said that.. weird that tools output useful info.. |
| 13:54.51 | moshii | chris_abyi: yes, mount it with ntfs as the fs type I think |
| 13:54.54 | Dewi | jelly-home: I had actually come to the conclusion that all my disks sucked and/or linux caching was absolutely shit |
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| 13:55.09 | jelly-home | Dewi: I bet a UTF-16 enabled grep (fixed two-bytes, I think) would be much faster than this one |
| 13:55.23 | Dewi | jelly-home: it wasn't until I was diffing the same files just now that I went "hey wait a moment, how come diffing is painless and grep takes forever?" |
| 13:56.05 | chris_abyi | moshii: with ntfs as filesys type, I get the same error message |
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| 13:56.23 | moshii | chris_abyi: modprobe ntfs |
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| 13:56.45 | abrotman | he shouldn't have to |
| 13:56.51 | abrotman | jelly-home: file a bug :) |
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| 13:57.21 | moshii | abrotman: mount probes the module? |
| 13:57.22 | spee | how well does debian do in optimizing use of a dual core processor? |
| 13:57.31 | abrotman | moshii: i think so |
| 13:57.34 | moshii | spee: It doesn't |
| 13:57.41 | abrotman | spee: optimising what? |
| 13:57.42 | chris_abyi | moshii: oh, modprobe ntfs returns nothing =/ |
| 13:57.42 | spee | oh |
| 13:57.58 | moshii | chris_abyi: cat /proc/filesystems.. ntfs should be in there |
| 13:58.08 | liable | chris_abyi: nothing is good in linux |
| 13:58.09 | spee | moshii do you want to explain or elaborate on this? does it just not use one of the cores? |
| 13:58.13 | abrotman | spee: if the application is written to take care of two CPUs .. then sure .. the kernels are SMP .. not sure whatelse you need |
| 13:58.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: have to upgrade first... the oldish testing package I have doesn't even contain its info page... but it has /usr/share/info dir. |
| 13:58.26 | abrotman | spee: it works like all other linux distors |
| 13:58.27 | moshii | chris_abyi: then mount -t ntfs /dev/myshineydisk /mountpoint |
| 13:58.32 | chris_abyi | moshii: it is there |
| 13:58.33 | abrotman | jelly-home: oh |
| 13:58.37 | spee | oh i figured one application would take use oif one processor and the next cpu-intensive application would take the other |
| 13:58.44 | abrotman | jelly-home: i think i was kidding .. didn't we already see the bug ? |
| 13:58.53 | abrotman | spee: that's up to the kernel |
| 13:59.07 | spee | will the debian kernel typically do that? |
| 13:59.14 | chris_abyi | moshii, :ok, Ill try. Could it be that the actual ntfs with windows vistas (I know, just for games) is a newer one and yet unsupported probably? |
| 13:59.17 | spee | instead of using the crap out of one of the cores with multiple applications |
| 13:59.22 | spee | that could be spread out between the two |
| 13:59.26 | abrotman | spee: of course |
| 13:59.30 | jelly-home | abrotman: for grep? I don't remember. |
| 13:59.38 | moshii | spee: The scheduler in the kernel will be doing that |
| 13:59.43 | spee | aye |
| 13:59.44 | abrotman | jelly-home: maybe it was peanutbutter-home .. don't recall |
| 13:59.46 | spee | the scheduler |
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| 14:00.00 | abrotman | spee: there's also cpu-affinity which you could manually set |
| 14:00.11 | spee | cool |
| 14:00.13 | abrotman | GFDL ? |
| 14:00.18 | jelly-home | abrotman: they just removed it, and this time there is no "grep-doc" package in non-free |
| 14:00.18 | Dewi | spee: most software isn't multithreaded of course |
| 14:00.27 | abrotman | jelly-home: yeah .. there's a bug filed |
| 14:00.29 | spee | yea, i knew that |
| 14:00.30 | Dewi | spee: so it's very dependant on what you're running (and how many things you're doing) |
| 14:00.32 | moshii | spee: But it's not just a cases of a single application sitting on the cpu.. you have stuff like servicing interrupts etc to contend with also |
| 14:00.35 | abrotman | !affinity |
| 14:00.39 | abrotman | !cpuaffinity |
| 14:00.44 | abrotman | bah .. i thought it was there |
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| 14:01.08 | jelly-home | abrotman: I don't think Debian deserves the "GNU/" bit any more, what with lots of GNU bits removed |
| 14:01.18 | liable | eh? |
| 14:01.19 | moshii | chris_abyi: you'd have to google for that.. I think ntfs is well support if you want to *read* the disk, writting is another matter |
| 14:01.25 | Dewi | jelly-home: like what? |
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| 14:01.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: you could uh .. file a bug? :) |
| 14:01.32 | liable | jelly-home: explain |
| 14:01.33 | jelly-home | Dewi: half the docs |
| 14:01.37 | chris_abyi | moshii: looks better, but he doesnt list the directory contents and says that there arent enough permissions. any clue why? |
| 14:01.51 | hajihong | chris_abyi: install ntfs-3g package |
| 14:02.01 | jelly-home | liable: ffs, no manuals for tar, grep, glibc ... |
| 14:02.07 | chris_abyi | hajihong: does this also support writing on ntfs? |
| 14:02.14 | Trinchen | My sound is too loud when I start KDE. How to fix permanently? Is there a config-file existing? |
| 14:02.18 | Dewi | jelly-home: heh. well, anything to piss off RMS |
| 14:02.29 | moshii | Trinchen: alsa? |
| 14:02.40 | hajihong | chris_abyi: yes |
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| 14:02.59 | chris_abyi | hmm..doesnt seem to be available for etch yet |
| 14:03.07 | moshii | hajihong: writing it slow as hell with ntfs-3g isnt't it? to the point of being useless? |
| 14:03.08 | abrotman | jelly-home: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405754 |
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| 14:03.25 | Trinchen | moshii: How to examine? In control center sound system choose ist set to 'auto' |
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| 14:03.45 | liable | jelly-home: so three packages with non-free docs means its not gnu/linux? |
| 14:04.01 | jelly-home | liable: not any three packages. |
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| 14:04.13 | moshii | Trinchen: If you're running etch you should be using alsa.. which will save the mixer values when you reboot |
| 14:04.15 | jelly-home | abrotman: Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:43:11 +0000 ... no answer from DD |
| 14:04.26 | enouf | spee: man taskset |
| 14:04.27 | Dewi | abrotman: that conflicts with the bug I'm about to submit, description "remove all info pages from debian, they are an abomination" |
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| 14:04.28 | jelly-home | abrotman: thank for the reference |
| 14:04.29 | abrotman | jelly-home: i think there are multiple bugs .. that's just the first i found |
| 14:05.00 | abrotman | Dewi: that's okay .. non-free "isn't part" of debian :) |
| 14:05.05 | Dewi | abrotman: hehe |
| 14:05.27 | abrotman | most info pages are useless .. but whatever |
| 14:05.31 | moshii | Trinchen: note that anything in kde that looks like its useful for configuring hardware or the system in general should be avoided.. heh |
| 14:05.33 | spal | I installed php5 which has installed libapache2-mod-php5, but when I try to open the PHP pages, they download as PHTML files without the source code processed into HTML |
| 14:05.39 | liable | it is odd with the docs being non-free tjhough |
| 14:05.51 | abrotman | spal: clear your browser cache .. restart the browser |
| 14:05.58 | liable | !php wants to download still |
| 14:06.02 | liable | meh |
| 14:06.06 | jelly-home | abrotman: GNU uses it as the main online docs format |
| 14:06.08 | Trinchen | moshii: Can't count on it? |
| 14:06.09 | abrotman | i'm faster than the bot! |
| 14:06.11 | liable | Dewi: stupid bot |
| 14:06.15 | abrotman | jelly-home: i know |
| 14:06.18 | spal | liable: it is "php wants me to download still" |
| 14:06.23 | liable | fuckit |
| 14:06.27 | abrotman | jelly-home: i just meant they don't offer much over the man pages |
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| 14:06.34 | abrotman | spal: i just told you |
| 14:06.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: ah, all right then ;-) |
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| 14:06.50 | spal | abrotman: yeah checking. |
| 14:07.06 | moshii | Trinchen: nah, the tools are just nasty. I think they cause more headache that they solve.. |
| 14:07.16 | Dewi | jelly-home: also that they suck ;) |
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| 14:08.02 | enouf | not info coreutils |
| 14:08.39 | Dewi | I don't know why I bother being so negative about info; man pages are a bit over-simple too |
| 14:08.44 | spal | abrotman: thanks! it worked. |
| 14:08.45 | Trinchen | moshii: ok. But I say you: I use arts-control in my kicker-bar. I can set the volume after startup. But when I restart, the old (too loud) volume is set. So where to adjust it then? |
| 14:08.54 | jelly-home | it seems funny to have a Linux distro without the f*$ GNU libc reference... "here's the free devel platform, but we won't tell you how to program it" |
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| 14:09.12 | jelly-home | s/the/a/ |
| 14:09.26 | abrotman | jelly-home: use php! |
| 14:09.29 | moshii | Trinchen: do you have alsa-base installed? |
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| 14:09.41 | jelly-home | abrotman: not into BDSM |
| 14:09.47 | Trinchen | moshii: checking... |
| 14:09.57 | Dewi | jelly-home: and yet you use info. I think you're both very ill. |
| 14:10.10 | abrotman | jelly-home: does the gnewsense distro include gfdl stuff? |
| 14:10.34 | jelly-home | abrotman: that is a good question! |
| 14:10.52 | abrotman | jelly-home: do i look like a sunday? |
| 14:11.23 | Dewi | eep, it's tomorrow, and tomorrow's a work day. This can't be happening. :( Goodnight, fellows. |
| 14:11.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: yes. Now shush, Riders on the Storm on radio. |
| 14:11.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: is LA Woman next? |
| 14:11.54 | abrotman | Dewi: you should move to a new timezone! |
| 14:12.09 | jelly-home | abrotman: probably not, but it is the album version. |
| 14:12.28 | Dewi | abrotman: are there any that can still get me 2007? I felt safer there |
| 14:12.30 | jelly-home | abrotman: the metadata says so! |
| 14:12.34 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's because you can't understand morrison in the live versions :) |
| 14:12.44 | jelly-home | that too |
| 14:12.44 | abrotman | Dewi: nerp |
| 14:12.46 | Dewi | abrotman: things were so much simpler then. Sniff. |
| 14:13.04 | enouf | Trinchen: if you're using artsd, it's likely a kmix setting you want |
| 14:13.05 | Trinchen | moshii: alsa-base and alsa-utils are installed. |
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| 14:13.14 | jelly-home | Dewi: I prefer years divisible by powers of two. |
| 14:13.49 | Trinchen | enouf: Kmix seems somehow to be "disconnected". Changes there have no effect. |
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| 14:13.54 | jelly-home | Dewi: planning to gloriously die in 2048! |
| 14:13.59 | Dewi | jelly-home: hmm, 2008 does only 4 of those |
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| 14:14.05 | moshii | Trinchen: alsa-base has a script that stores and reloads the mixer values on reboot/boot I think... maybe something else is munging them |
| 14:14.09 | enouf | Trinchen: i disabled all that crap though - and yes, where it says Auto in kde control center click the next tab ffs, and select ALSA |
| 14:14.19 | Dewi | jelly-home: oh, that will be a year! But you'll have to live through the end of the 16-bit unix epoch |
| 14:14.24 | chris_abyi | hm.. I want to add the user "worldwindow" to the group "fuse" and used this command: useradd -G fuse worldwindow, but he just tells me: useradd: user worldwindow alredy existing. "id" also doesn't return the new group |
| 14:14.31 | jelly-home | 64bit time_t ftw |
| 14:14.40 | moshii | Trinchen: but to be honest, the sounds/kde sound system in kde are f'ing awful,I just turn it all off |
| 14:15.21 | jelly-home | Dewi: they'll all convert to tai64, and DJB will, somewhere, laugh manically |
| 14:15.23 | enouf | Trinchen: then whatever mixer you were using - there's a "Load settings upon startup" or somecrap |
| 14:15.45 | Trinchen | moshii: I can't see any reason to disable it. Sounds work. Only the start-up volume is too loud. |
| 14:15.50 | abrotman | jelly-home: swatch internet time! |
| 14:15.55 | jelly-home | lol |
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| 14:16.10 | enouf | i concur with moshii Trinchen , i use alsamixer |
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| 14:16.33 | enouf | but that's just opinion |
| 14:16.34 | abrotman | amixer ? |
| 14:16.38 | Joelito | hi all:) |
| 14:16.46 | Joelito | first happy new year |
| 14:16.55 | abrotman | i think i used amixer to set volume from CLI |
| 14:16.57 | moshii | Trinchen: the sound system is one of those things that just shouldn't be in a desktop environment |
| 14:17.17 | Trinchen | moshii: Where else??? |
| 14:17.18 | enouf | alsactl store |
| 14:17.20 | Joelito | how secure is to use ubuntu's packages sources list in debian to get more software |
| 14:17.29 | abrotman | Joelito: it's not |
| 14:17.33 | mbroeker | Trinchen, try alsactl store as root after setting the volume to the proper values. |
| 14:17.37 | abrotman | no one will support you .. and your system will break |
| 14:17.43 | jelly-home | Joelito: it's a good way to hose your system |
| 14:17.50 | moshii | Trinchen: the os has a decent enough sounds system already, there's no point having that arts crap on top |
| 14:18.06 | abrotman | moshii: software mixer! |
| 14:18.29 | jelly-home | miftware soxer! |
| 14:18.46 | abrotman | That's wordwang! |
| 14:18.51 | Joelito | jelly-home: Meaning that after all I can have actually firefox? |
| 14:19.10 | abrotman | use iceweasel |
| 14:19.13 | Trinchen | moshii: I agree to you in this point. But KDE doesn't connect to alsa directly... |
| 14:19.17 | moshii | I think I read somewhere the kde developers didn't like the way arts turned out, a useless piece of crap, so they want and built another one.. oh god |
| 14:19.31 | abrotman | moshii: no one likes the way arts turned out :) |
| 14:19.32 | moshii | s/want/went |
| 14:19.36 | enouf | Trinchen: i told you how to change that |
| 14:19.48 | abrotman | moshii: last i heard .. gnome and kde were going to collaborate on a replacement for esd and artsd |
| 14:19.52 | Joelito | jelly-home: oops, I didn't read correctly..you meant is not secure :p |
| 14:20.00 | enouf | Trinchen: also dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 14:20.21 | moshii | abrotman: photon isn't it.. which is an attempt to replace gstreamer and everyone else just for the sake of it |
| 14:20.21 | Trinchen | Trying recent tip... |
| 14:20.39 | abrotman | moshii: i don't remember what it was called .. just that it was planned |
| 14:20.52 | jelly-home | Joelito: iceweasel and let it lie about:config, general.useragent.extra.firefox |
| 14:21.03 | enouf | moshii: something with a C iirc |
| 14:21.35 | enouf | like curvacious renamed to start with a K, rofl |
| 14:21.44 | abrotman | moshii: phonon |
| 14:21.52 | enouf | see? C .. |
| 14:22.03 | abrotman | there's also PulseAudio |
| 14:22.09 | jelly-home | abrotman: pharts! |
| 14:22.16 | enouf | kromagnon |
| 14:22.24 | moshii | enouf: The good bits of kde like amarok are undone by some really stupid crap that they bloat on elsewhere |
| 14:22.50 | enouf | moshii: that reminds me ;-) |
| 14:22.58 | Trinchen | enouf: 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base' just gave me the option to select between 'alsa', 'oss' and 'standard'. No volume application. |
| 14:22.58 | abrotman | hahah .. good bits of kde .. that's funny! :) |
| 14:22.58 | enouf | bloat bloat bloat your bloat ... gently down bloat stream .. (everyone sing-along now!!) |
| 14:23.07 | jelly-home | moshii: that's why I use xfce and amarok on it |
| 14:23.09 | enouf | merrily merril merrily merrily .. life is but bloat dreams |
| 14:23.23 | enouf | Trinchen: yes, alsa |
| 14:23.32 | moshii | abrotman: There's good things in everything, like the exit button.. that sort of thing |
| 14:23.46 | abrotman | if it were that good .. why would you want to exit?! |
| 14:23.47 | enouf | Trinchen: also, go where i said and change it also |
| 14:23.48 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:24.12 | Joelito | jelly-home: ok :) |
| 14:24.33 | moshii | jelly-home: I don't really want to move away from my clunky but functional minimal kde3 :/ |
| 14:24.50 | Trinchen | enouf: Of course, I selected alsa. But where to set the volume? Please repeat. The screen scrolled to fast. |
| 14:24.54 | enouf | click Start to shutdown, yes .. some good in everything ;-P |
| 14:25.17 | jelly-home | !why is iceweasel not in testing |
| 14:25.17 | dpkg | iceweasel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 14:25.29 | enouf | [09:13:33] <enouf> Trinchen: i disabled all that crap though - and yes, where it says Auto in kde control center click the next tab ffs, and select ALSA |
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| 14:25.51 | Trinchen | enouf: Thanks! Trying... |
| 14:25.59 | enouf | "Advanced Linux Sound Arch...." it says though |
| 14:26.21 | enouf | thanks for the Abbreiviations kde |
| 14:26.46 | enouf | Trinchen: there's a drop down menu or something |
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| 14:27.06 | abrotman | jelly-home: damn arm! |
| 14:27.12 | Trinchen | enouf: Yes, I selected alsa there. |
| 14:27.13 | abrotman | !info iceweasel lenny |
| 14:27.16 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.8-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 7915 kB, Installed size: 24400 kB |
| 14:27.28 | abrotman | should be installable though |
| 14:27.35 | jelly-home | abrotman: even stable has a newer version! |
| 14:27.41 | abrotman | it does? |
| 14:27.50 | abrotman | !info iceweasel etch |
| 14:27.51 | enouf | Trinchen: set your volumes, then "alsactl store" as root, and someone else mentioned |
| 14:27.53 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.10-0etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 8878 kB, Installed size: 26284 kB |
| 14:27.58 | abrotman | cute |
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| 14:28.12 | enouf | Trinchen: fire up alsamixer, restart your kde session |
| 14:28.14 | abrotman | jelly-home: this is why i use opera+epiphany! :) |
| 14:28.25 | jelly-home | Debian testing: we fuck you hard. |
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| 14:28.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: I use opera + konqueror. Plus iceweasel sometimes :-| |
| 14:29.15 | abrotman | but you use xfce .. why not epiphany? or galeon ? |
| 14:29.18 | Trinchen | enouf: Trying... |
| 14:29.23 | Joelito | another question: What version of kde is the one that opensuse 10.3 has? |
| 14:29.29 | abrotman | ask #suse |
| 14:29.38 | abrotman | probably 3.x |
| 14:29.38 | Joelito | I like to have it on my debian-netinstall? |
| 14:29.43 | moshii | abrotman: konq is on of the good bits in kde |
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| 14:30.06 | abrotman | moshii: it's okay .. but requires too many bits of KDE to get it going |
| 14:30.07 | enouf | (i hope i didn't break this guys sound, ffs) |
| 14:30.11 | jelly-home | abrotman: my system is already infected with bits of kde, so it's no big deal |
| 14:30.34 | abrotman | moshii: i'd have to install 110MB of crap to get konq |
| 14:30.54 | Trinchen | enouf: I've read that! :) |
| 14:31.07 | moshii | abrotman: I use kmail, konq, kopete.. so I just use kde :/ |
| 14:31.09 | enouf | hey look ma!, it's also a File Manager |
| 14:31.13 | enouf | Trinchen: :-) |
| 14:31.23 | abrotman | moshii: right .. i don't .. and epiphany is pretty good so i don't mind |
| 14:31.31 | abrotman | i really use opera for most stuff |
| 14:31.37 | abrotman | the static build |
| 14:31.43 | jelly-home | i can has amarok, kbluetooth and konqueror... the rest is GTK+ (well, Opera is Qt as well) |
| 14:32.10 | jelly-home | OOo has some widget from hell |
| 14:32.23 | jelly-home | judging by the looks of it |
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| 14:32.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: java ? i think |
| 14:32.33 | enouf | if i touch anything in the kmenu, the HDD starts thrashing, then like 5-10 seconds later, the util opens |
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| 14:32.44 | jelly-home | enouf: buy more memory! |
| 14:32.47 | enouf | sometimes longer ;-) |
| 14:32.59 | enouf | jelly-home: not an issue - links2 ftw ;-) |
| 14:33.19 | jelly-home | enouf: xfce works really well with 2GB ;-) |
| 14:33.22 | enouf | it's not swapping, it's just; ... bloat bloat bloat your bloat |
| 14:33.32 | enouf | heh |
| 14:34.02 | abrotman | anything should work well with 2GB |
| 14:34.11 | abrotman | two of anythings :) |
| 14:34.26 | enouf | i've heard stories of Firepoop bringing 2GB ram systems to their knees, O.o |
| 14:34.53 | abrotman | enouf: lastlog don .. and grep for iceweasel or firefox .. his was like 1.5GB or some crap |
| 14:34.58 | DustyBin | xfce ftw, i been using it for quite a while now on sid |
| 14:35.02 | abrotman | enouf: if you have two weeks of logs :) |
| 14:35.09 | enouf | and tha's not even that nice Suite called mozilla at one time ;-) |
| 14:35.19 | jelly-home | abrotman: Indeed. I'd been running Debian under XP host last week. Couldn't get bluetoothed network to work. |
| 14:35.27 | enouf | heh |
| 14:35.29 | DustyBin | fluxbox = too thin, gnome+kde = too bloated, xfce = perfik :D |
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| 14:35.43 | abrotman | who would use gnome+kde .. that's just silly! |
| 14:35.49 | DustyBin | indeed |
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| 14:37.00 | moshii | mmm just logged in with xfce.. this terminal font is frickin huge |
| 14:37.12 | DustyBin | moshii: install xfce4-terminal |
| 14:37.18 | DustyBin | and change the font in the menu |
| 14:37.38 | nascentmind | i have a wireless broadband modem and i am connecting to it using an ethernet cable |
| 14:37.53 | moshii | where's the shineyness button???!?! |
| 14:38.09 | abrotman | sand that's a kde user in a nutshell |
| 14:38.34 | enouf | moshii: light on the blingbling? |
| 14:38.54 | moshii | enouf: If it's not a gold colour, I won't buy it |
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| 14:39.06 | jelly-home | moshii: konsole has a beautiful VGA font that has a good subset of UTF-8, but for some reason they don't install it for everyone else to use it |
| 14:39.30 | robin | top o the morning to yer |
| 14:39.32 | xingu | jelly-home: it's a localised font for localised people |
| 14:39.52 | jelly-home | however one can just copy /usr/share/apps/konsole/fonts/console8x16.pcf.gz to some directory in FontPath, mkfontdir, xset fp rehash and there it is |
| 14:40.32 | moshii | is there some sort of compiz plugin for this? I don't like my windows moving around so fast |
| 14:40.35 | enouf | but i like the font i'm using (whatever it is, heh) |
| 14:40.45 | aleksanteri | monospace ftw |
| 14:40.49 | jelly-home | good for reading Russian spam in mutt |
| 14:41.21 | enouf | smut in m'am? |
| 14:41.42 | enouf | (oops, i wordwanged) |
| 14:43.27 | jelly-home | that's some serious distance... or very low ceiling |
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| 14:45.25 | bahadunn | anyone know how logcheck determines the sender address in its notification emails? |
| 14:45.29 | PaulTT_ | hi all... is it possible to mount a drive as read only? |
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| 14:46.01 | wols | PaulTT_: sure. don't heve "user" or "defaults" in the fstab entry |
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| 14:46.17 | wols | oops. read only, I read root only |
| 14:46.23 | wols | yes, the ro option mounts stuff read only |
| 14:47.20 | PaulTT_ | ah, thanks I just found that :) |
| 14:47.23 | wols | bahadunn: "sender address"? |
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| 14:48.29 | rewtah | you think i can make a sausage mcmuffin w/eggs? (i think nOt!) |
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| 14:49.37 | fritsy4 | sorry for this very basic question, but how do i find out if i have a package installed already? |
| 14:49.51 | abrotman | fritsy4: dpkg -l <pkg> |
| 14:49.58 | abrotman | or apt-cache policy <pkg> |
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| 14:50.37 | fritsy4 | abrotman, thank you very much...googled for hours...... |
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| 14:50.44 | bahadunn | wols: yeah the address that logcheck uses to send the mail from |
| 14:50.54 | abrotman | !tell fritsy4 about refcard |
| 14:50.58 | cinex | just to be super annoying and lazy: what kernel version is in the testing release? and also does it have the b43 module? |
| 14:51.08 | bahadunn | wols: recently my logcheck was upgraded and now amavis thinks the mails it sends are spam |
| 14:51.17 | xand | cinex: 2.6.22... and erm |
| 14:51.35 | bahadunn | wols: I believe this is caused by the address logcheck is using to send mail from |
| 14:51.44 | cinex | i think 24 is for b43 |
| 14:51.53 | fritsy4 | abrotman, refcard? |
| 14:51.57 | bahadunn | however there is no configuration setting to set the from address |
| 14:52.01 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 14:52.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 14:52.02 | bahadunn | only the address to send to |
| 14:52.18 | cinex | no .22 will have it. thanks xand |
| 14:52.20 | xand | cinex: 2.6.24 isn't even released, so certainly not in testing :p |
| 14:52.23 | bahadunn | I have been unable so far to determine how logcheck generates the from address |
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| 14:53.32 | fritsy4 | abrotman, THANX very useful ! |
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| 14:54.00 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 14:54.00 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 14:54.43 | fritsy4 | abrotman, ok i will...thanks |
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| 14:55.19 | bahadunn | looks like it may just send it from the logcheck system user |
| 14:55.26 | abrotman | fritsy4: /msg dpkg refcard .. for example |
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| 14:56.03 | abrotman | fritsy4: those references have tons of information .. but you can ask here before reading all of them .. we just prefer that you do a bit of work on your own before oyu just ask us :) |
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| 14:56.54 | fritsy4 | abrotman, i understand , i actually tried googling this for hours but i guess i didnt know the right words to put in google |
| 14:57.09 | abrotman | fritsy4: okay :) |
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| 14:57.46 | bahadunn | abrotman: happy new year! |
| 14:57.56 | abrotman | it's over! |
| 14:58.04 | bahadunn | abrotman: fine |
| 14:58.08 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:58.10 | bahadunn | abrotman: disregard then |
| 14:58.11 | abrotman | hi :) |
| 14:58.20 | abrotman | bahadunn: did you have a good party? |
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| 14:58.49 | Joelito | I want to use "lenny" and "sid" in my sources.list, is this correct type: |
| 14:58.51 | Joelito | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian lenny sid main contrib non-free |
| 14:59.07 | Ronin | Joelito: bad idea to do that |
| 14:59.11 | abrotman | Joelito: no you don't |
| 14:59.11 | bahadunn | abrotman: I was sleeping |
| 14:59.18 | abrotman | bahadunn: sounds like a plan :) |
| 14:59.22 | wols | Joelito: it is not and Ronin is right |
| 14:59.26 | bahadunn | abrotman: sleep is good |
| 14:59.52 | abrotman | Joelito: you'll break your system quickly and viciously! |
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| 15:00.17 | cinex | woohoo |
| 15:00.44 | Joelito | abrotman, wols, Ronin: So I must do each one by a line: |
| 15:00.47 | Joelito | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian lenny sid main contrib non-free |
| 15:00.52 | Joelito | is bad, ok. |
| 15:00.56 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 15:01.20 | TrueDD | good year |
| 15:01.24 | Ronin | Joelito: no mixing and matching is bad |
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| 15:02.22 | Joelito | Ronin: Because the software that I need are in those mirrors :( |
| 15:02.29 | bahadunn | I like my etch/lenny/sid box |
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| 15:04.46 | Ronin | Joelito: all you'll be doing is breaking your system if you do it that way |
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| 15:05.38 | moshii | Ronin: mixing testing and unstable shouldn't be that bad.. |
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| 15:06.07 | wols | moshii: people who ask about testing and unstable like him shouldn't run either in the first place |
| 15:06.18 | wols | both WILL break and he will have a broken system then |
| 15:06.28 | bahadunn | and he wont know what to do to fix it |
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| 15:06.35 | moshii | wols: that's true ;) |
| 15:06.36 | bahadunn | and then he will come back here and call us all bad people |
| 15:06.39 | tdn | Is there any apt-getable application for Etch that allows me to extract ace archives? |
| 15:07.00 | bahadunn | after a horrible re-install I might add |
| 15:07.19 | wols | tdn: unace |
| 15:07.20 | moshii | tdn: unace |
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| 15:07.49 | moshii | tdn: there is also unace-nonfree for some reason.. probaly if you can't get the first to work the later will |
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| 15:09.27 | tdn | moshii, hmmm... Ok. I have unace installed, but for some reason Ark will not extract ace archives. I'll try unace manually. Thanks. |
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| 15:10.14 | moshii | tdn: Ark might not know how to handle ace files,.. it's not magic ;) |
| 15:10.17 | jussx | tdn: maybe you should configure it |
| 15:10.34 | tdn | moshii, ok. |
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| 15:11.35 | moshii | Why people use rar, ace etc is beyond me.. |
| 15:12.33 | tdn | Hmm... unace says: *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/unace terminated |
| 15:12.33 | tdn | zsh: abort (core dumped) unace l |
| 15:13.00 | Gnu_Raiz | if you want to know why people use rar you have to look at the development of Usenet. |
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| 15:13.28 | Gnu_Raiz | back in the day people did not have a way to evenly break up big files, so rar was created. |
| 15:14.05 | tdn | moshii, I think that a lot of people use rar because WinRAR is *the* best archiver for Windows (not counting cygwin and other measures to get access to gnu utilities) |
| 15:14.19 | Gnu_Raiz | In fact it still is one of the best programs for that reason say you want a 15 Mb even file size of your 3 gig file well rar allows it. |
| 15:14.40 | moshii | Gnu_Raiz: We had join/split back in the day too |
| 15:14.43 | Gnu_Raiz | If you use windows at all that is one program that is a must buy. |
| 15:15.04 | tdn | moshii, still... WinRAR lets Joe Average do it, graphically. |
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| 15:15.27 | moshii | tdn: Those people shouldn't be on myspace, I mean internet |
| 15:16.15 | tdn | moshii, heh. True, but they're here. Not much to do about it. |
| 15:16.41 | Gnu_Raiz | still try sending a joe average a rar file bet they don't know what it is. |
| 15:17.07 | Gnu_Raiz | mostly came out for the alt.binaries boys. |
| 15:17.32 | Gnu_Raiz | in fact I meet people all the time who have no idea of alt.binaries or its use. |
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| 15:18.18 | moshii | Gnu_Raiz: That's what nzb was invented for |
| 15:18.23 | Gnu_Raiz | I was upset that the mpaa started to sue usenet providers. |
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| 15:18.35 | Gnu_Raiz | nzb is a good tool. |
| 15:18.43 | moshii | Probably not wise to talk about warez here though, I would think |
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| 15:19.38 | Gnu_Raiz | all of alt.binaries != warez |
| 15:19.59 | Gnu_Raiz | also Usenet != copyright infringement. |
| 15:20.00 | wols | Gnu_Raiz: all of alt.binaries != debian |
| 15:20.27 | Gnu_Raiz | debian includes rar and unrar thus the conversation. |
| 15:20.41 | moshii | Here's an on topic question.. how do you import archive keys into apt/dpkg/whatever cares |
| 15:21.12 | jelly-home | moshii: on topic and in the topic! |
| 15:21.22 | wols | !topicsmite moshii |
| 15:21.22 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon moshii. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 15:21.25 | moshii | jelly-home: yay! |
| 15:21.33 | epsilon | install the keyring package |
| 15:21.45 | epsilon | pr manually import the keys |
| 15:22.04 | moshii | this is the key for the kernel-archive server.. |
| 15:22.19 | wols | moshii: why would it need a key? what for? |
| 15:22.44 | moshii | wols: to stop aptitude spitting out errors about the key missing |
| 15:23.00 | wols | what .debs are you getting from there? |
| 15:23.29 | moshii | wols: kernel 2.6.24-rc images.. I have to run it to have working keys on my Japanese macbook |
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| 15:24.01 | wols | moshii: either the archive provides piblic keys or you are SOL |
| 15:24.03 | jelly-home | there are prebuilt packages of -rc kernels? |
| 15:24.25 | moshii | jelly-home: http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/, from the debian wiki |
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| 15:24.39 | moshii | wols: there is a key.. I need to know how to import it |
| 15:24.59 | jelly-home | moshii: pipe it to apt-key add - |
| 15:25.39 | moshii | apt-key says OK.. :D |
| 15:26.01 | moshii | ah, another annoyance off the list |
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| 15:27.24 | moshii | next, I can never get my display to sleep with a KVM machine running.. does a KVM have to put its sleep to bed before the host will? |
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| 15:28.50 | danilom | hi, what system can i use to share files, on every user, via web |
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| 15:29.20 | moshii | danilom: a web server |
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| 15:29.39 | danilom | moshii, ok but with webdav? or something? |
| 15:29.53 | wols | yes you can use webdav if you want |
| 15:30.05 | danilom | moshii, i need something like a file manager, so users can backup |
| 15:30.25 | wols | then you need a backup program |
| 15:30.30 | wols | not a webserver |
| 15:30.31 | moshii | danilom: You need an application that can do that then |
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| 15:30.41 | danilom | im using rsync |
| 15:30.41 | wols | backuppc or something |
| 15:31.08 | danilom | it can do the backup. but i want to show the files.. |
| 15:31.31 | moshii | danilom: web server for that then |
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| 15:32.02 | danilom | moshii, so is possible to authenticate each users, so only can view their own files |
| 15:32.17 | moshii | danilom: maybe you want something like ftp then? |
| 15:32.31 | wols | yes. you could use basic auth for example |
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| 15:32.52 | danilom | moshii, i think ftp, and a cms with web ftp navigation |
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| 15:33.20 | moshii | danilom: there's probably some php application that does what you OK |
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| 15:33.24 | moshii | want |
| 15:33.28 | danilom | is possible to configure a ftp server to show certain directory for user |
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| 15:33.54 | moshii | sorry, the ok came from a random touchpad middle mouse bottom |
| 15:34.01 | danilom | moshii, yes im looking e107 cms it haves a ftp browser pluhin |
| 15:34.09 | moshii | *button |
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| 15:34.52 | moshii | danilom: you problaby need to decide exactly what you want first.. |
| 15:35.20 | danilom | moshii, i need i backup system, to use over internet |
| 15:35.47 | danilom | moshii, i recently installed rsync, and using a rsync client is possible to backup |
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| 15:36.03 | danilom | but i want to show, the files, to the clients |
| 15:36.04 | moshii | danilom: so you already have what you want |
| 15:36.23 | danilom | moshii, well i need the "show part" |
| 15:36.34 | moshii | danilom: so you need to export those files via a webserver or something |
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| 15:37.50 | danilom | thanks |
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| 15:38.36 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
| 15:40.23 | zipper | !mount |
| 15:40.23 | dpkg | somebody said mount was a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem |
| 15:40.33 | zipper | !fstab |
| 15:40.33 | dpkg | fstab is, like, a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. |
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| 15:41.32 | Gnu_Raiz | sorry had leave for a minute to test some hardware problems. |
| 15:41.41 | zipper | I need to mount /dev/hdb1 to /mnt/hdb. It's an ext3 partition. I want all users to have read/write access, but i cannot seem to get my fstab right : http://pastebin.com/d3f22e1a1 - Any hints? |
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| 15:42.24 | moshii | zipper: you need to use chmod/chown |
| 15:42.42 | moshii | zipper: ext3 supports permissions |
| 15:42.58 | zipper | ahh |
| 15:42.59 | zipper | thanks |
| 15:43.02 | zipper | i'll try |
| 15:43.33 | moshii | zipper: umask is for fat/similar filesystems that don't have permissions |
| 15:45.13 | zipper | moshii, makes sense... What group should i chown the mount to, to enable all users read/write? |
| 15:45.16 | Gnu_Raiz | Yep solved that hardware problem, my front panel was spamming my log files with usb detected problems. |
| 15:45.40 | Gnu_Raiz | Now all I need to do is find out how to fix the problem. |
| 15:46.26 | moshii | zipper: all users would fall under the last section.. of others |
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| 15:46.49 | zipper | moshii, chown root:others ? |
| 15:46.54 | moshii | zipper: there's no point assigning r/w to a group if that group is everyone.. |
| 15:47.04 | zipper | true |
| 15:47.07 | moshii | zipper: no, chmod |
| 15:49.01 | screamingbytes | !windows |
| 15:49.01 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 15:49.05 | screamingbytes | :) |
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| 15:50.09 | y | I see there is instructions for raid1 in preconfiguration file for debian |
| 15:50.20 | y | But I am finding them somewhat mysterious. |
| 15:50.31 | y | I wonder if I should just follow a more generic faq? |
| 15:50.53 | y | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/238 |
| 15:50.57 | y | I like that one. I think I could do that. |
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| 15:51.04 | y | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman-raid |
| 15:51.08 | y | is what I find scary. |
| 15:51.27 | moshii | y: software raid1 is easily done in the installer |
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| 15:51.56 | y | really? I looked thru installer table of contents and didn't see RAID. Is it around the time of partitioning? |
| 15:52.06 | y | Becuase I thought RAID1 partitions had to be a special non-83 type. |
| 15:52.30 | y | my beef is i can't RAID1 the devices right away. I'm going to have to do some shuffling because they've got data on them. |
| 15:52.42 | moshii | y: Yes, you can create raid and lvm volumes in the partioning section of the installer, tell debian what it should put there (/, /home etc) and press go |
| 15:53.15 | moshii | y: oh, moving to raid after install is another problem |
| 15:53.16 | y | hmm.... but it will probably want to wipe both off at that point. right? |
| 15:53.24 | y | yeah. hmm |
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| 15:53.55 | y | the first article i posted seems to achieve that. |
| 15:54.25 | moshii | y: there are few tutorials on how to move to raid1 after installing, but it's probably better for your sanity to do it during install |
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| 15:55.10 | zipper | moshii, thanks, its working now |
| 15:55.59 | y | moshii, what if I just don't have the storage? |
| 15:56.20 | y | I've got 3 300GBs and about 500GB disk space. |
| 15:56.28 | y | I don't think it will compress to |
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| 15:56.46 | cinex | whore# |
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| 15:58.22 | moshii | y: If you use raid1 you'll half the total available storage anyhow |
| 15:58.59 | y | i've got a spare disk which won't be on RAID1 |
| 15:59.05 | y | for backing up iPods, etc. |
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| 16:00.43 | moshii | y: if you have a free disk, you could create a raid volume on that disk, move you system there, boot from the raid volume and convert the original disk |
| 16:01.40 | y | using LVM? |
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| 16:02.12 | y | I do have a spare 320GB drive which I am about to install debian on. |
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| 16:03.15 | extor | How do I stop the nfs stuff from starting? My box locks up trying to launche statd and I traced it to the /etc/init.d/nfs-common file |
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| 16:03.33 | wols | !sysvinit |
| 16:03.33 | dpkg | well, sysvinit is zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz. In Debian Lenny and beyond it's /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
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| 16:04.31 | extor | zless? |
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| 16:05.42 | extor | And I thought linux was POSIX not SYSV/BSD? |
| 16:05.42 | Wizards_Castle | hey i am stuck with sound problem |
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| 16:06.25 | Nyle | hi |
| 16:06.25 | Wizards_Castle | alsa works fine but Noatun has no sound |
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| 16:06.44 | Nyle | noatun sucks anyway |
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| 16:06.47 | Wizards_Castle | can anyone help me out |
| 16:06.57 | Wizards_Castle | it plays videos good |
| 16:07.02 | Nyle | mplayer > * |
| 16:07.10 | Wizards_Castle | mplayer has no sound output either |
| 16:07.14 | Wizards_Castle | :( |
| 16:07.23 | Nyle | audio output is correctly selected? |
| 16:07.34 | Nyle | for noatun dunno if it makes a diff, but is arts running? |
| 16:07.46 | Nyle | i udnno if all kde apps depend on arts for sound or alsa |
| 16:07.47 | Wizards_Castle | yea i think so |
| 16:07.49 | Wizards_Castle | hmmm |
| 16:07.52 | Wizards_Castle | let me check |
| 16:08.08 | Nyle | try #kde as well |
| 16:08.13 | Nyle | its probably a config issue |
| 16:08.19 | Nyle | play a file with alsaplayer |
| 16:08.21 | Nyle | see if you get sound |
| 16:08.25 | Wizards_Castle | yes |
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| 16:08.37 | Nyle | you have alsa-oss package? |
| 16:08.38 | Wizards_Castle | alsa works very good |
| 16:08.46 | Nyle | dunno if that matters but whatever |
| 16:08.56 | Wizards_Castle | command line stuf works |
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| 16:09.16 | Nyle | play a file in mplayer with command line |
| 16:09.28 | Nyle | it should tell you where it fails ifyou read the output |
| 16:09.35 | Wizards_Castle | ok |
| 16:09.36 | Nyle | find out why exactly is audio not coming |
| 16:09.45 | Wizards_Castle | movie or mp3 |
| 16:09.46 | Nyle | make sure you select the correct auto output plugin |
| 16:09.50 | Nyle | doesn't matter |
| 16:09.55 | Nyle | mp3 |
| 16:10.04 | Wizards_Castle | ok |
| 16:10.08 | Nyle | maybe you don't have all the codecs to just play a mp3 |
| 16:10.18 | Nyle | so |
| 16:11.20 | Wizards_Castle | hmmm |
| 16:11.23 | Wizards_Castle | wierd |
| 16:11.25 | Wizards_Castle | 2 min |
| 16:12.31 | Nyle | a/auto/audio |
| 16:12.35 | Nyle | oh i know what it is |
| 16:12.42 | Nyle | my wireless reciever is too far away |
| 16:12.43 | jelly-home | !test |
| 16:12.43 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 16:13.25 | jelly-home | !dbugs 385561 |
| 16:13.28 | dpkg | #385561:N[konsole] konsole crashed after my cat jumped on the mouse; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 08:03:17 UTC |
| 16:13.59 | Nyle | is that a real bug |
| 16:14.07 | Nyle | you gotta be shititng me, someone actually file a bug like that |
| 16:14.11 | Nyle | its not even a bug |
| 16:14.14 | Nyle | hhaha |
| 16:14.23 | jelly-home | sure it is, there's a backtrace attached |
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| 16:20.54 | mfrisch | abrotman: I still can't figure out how to do a mini mirror! any more suggestions? |
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| 16:21.56 | itchi | Where can i find more info to setup software raid? I have found this http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman-raid but there's missing informations and is not that clear at all |
| 16:22.34 | itchi | I want to setup software raid from the installer. From the begin. |
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| 16:24.05 | Wizards_Castle | hmmm the guys in kde saaaid its a debian issue |
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| 16:24.41 | Wizards_Castle | when i am in the sound system and system notifications it fails to load drivers |
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| 16:25.06 | mike1o | Ive got one of those peculiar mp3 usb players with a hidden partition for voice recording... is there a way I can format it in linux? (original SW only works with XP) |
| 16:25.32 | dondelelcaro | mike1o: if you can actually see the partition, yes. Otherwise, no. |
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| 16:26.18 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: still trying to redownload packages any more suggestions? |
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| 16:26.59 | dante_1core | mike1o: try and just play it back on the player, recording it from new in your computer via line-in or microphone |
| 16:27.00 | y | itchi, I'm in the same boat. |
| 16:27.10 | dante_1core | to record, you can use, for example, audacity |
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| 16:28.34 | itchi | y: Well, i switched to another console and tried that d-i, but that seems to be an unknow command |
| 16:28.42 | grub | can i hotplug batteries on dell laptops? anyone know? |
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| 16:28.58 | dante_1core | grub: how do you mean hotplug? |
| 16:29.00 | wols | grub: ask dell |
| 16:29.02 | dante_1core | install acpid |
| 16:29.18 | grub | dante_1core, putting it in while on ac supply |
| 16:29.28 | dante_1core | grub: should work, why not? |
| 16:29.32 | grub | wols, well, can we hotplug battery in laptops, generally? |
| 16:29.32 | dante_1core | do you have acpid installed? |
| 16:29.37 | dante_1core | yes |
| 16:29.37 | grub | dante_1core, yes |
| 16:29.38 | dante_1core | well |
| 16:29.39 | dante_1core | i can |
| 16:29.44 | dante_1core | then what does acpi say |
| 16:29.45 | Gnu_Raiz | grub: that depends on if you already have another battery installed. |
| 16:29.47 | dante_1core | or acpi --verbose |
| 16:30.18 | itchi | y: Do you setup raid 0 or 1 ? |
| 16:30.41 | grub | dante_1core, what should acpi --verbose say? |
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| 16:30.55 | dante_1core | something like AC Adapter 1: off-line |
| 16:31.07 | dante_1core | or Thermal 1: ok, 56.0 degrees C |
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| 16:31.11 | grub | dante_1core, shows on-line |
| 16:31.15 | dante_1core | ok good |
| 16:31.18 | Gnu_Raiz | The nice folks on the nvidia pointed me to a pcids file where does debian keep it? |
| 16:31.19 | dante_1core | now plug the battery |
| 16:31.23 | dante_1core | and look what id says then |
| 16:31.32 | dante_1core | Gnu_Raiz: try lspci -v |
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| 16:31.44 | dante_1core | (if you need tons of info, try lspci -vvv |
| 16:32.04 | grub | dante_1core, yep works, thanks :) |
| 16:32.09 | dante_1core | grub: no problem |
| 16:32.16 | dante_1core | Gnu_Raiz: /proc/bus/pci/devices |
| 16:32.45 | dante_1core | Gnu_Raiz: what's the problem then? |
| 16:33.13 | Gnu_Raiz | I want to install the file to get rid of all the unknown devices when doing lspci. |
| 16:33.22 | dante_1core | hmn |
| 16:33.23 | itchi | y: If you want, i have some notes how to setup raid1. But i first install debian on one hdd, then setup the second hdd for raid1, copy over the files and reboot. http://dvm.zapto.org:8080/pyguicms-dev/articles/view/software_raid1 |
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| 16:33.41 | dante_1core | Gnu_Raiz: what devices are unknown? what kind of box is it, anyway? |
| 16:33.43 | dante_1core | notebook? |
| 16:33.48 | dante_1core | what kind of graphics card? |
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| 16:35.18 | toroking | your os sux ass |
| 16:35.24 | toroking | windows xp is #1 |
| 16:35.27 | Gnu_Raiz | It's a desktop mcp 51 based matx board. |
| 16:35.31 | toroking | go microsoft! |
| 16:35.36 | toroking | lol |
| 16:35.46 | xingu | Gnu_Raiz: update-pciids |
| 16:36.10 | xand | toroking: /part |
| 16:36.12 | Gnu_Raiz | I tried that on another board, but it was not listed. |
| 16:36.17 | Gnu_Raiz | will try that now. |
| 16:36.46 | toroking | you cant even get it to work with a mcp 51 based matx board |
| 16:36.49 | toroking | jesus |
| 16:36.56 | toroking | xp would work fine |
| 16:37.02 | dante_1core | toroking: there's no place for ignorant and intolerant people in this channel. we are a sucial support channel. accept that and acknowledge the rules, or leave. |
| 16:37.08 | dante_1core | social* |
| 16:37.27 | toroking | why are you calling me ignorant |
| 16:37.34 | toroking | xp is the way to go |
| 16:37.41 | toroking | its proven in its sales |
| 16:37.45 | Gnu_Raiz | still get a bunch of unknown devices do I have to reboot, or init 1? |
| 16:37.52 | dante_1core | because you start with a rating of something without argumenting for it |
| 16:37.54 | toroking | and works with the mcp based matx board |
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| 16:38.13 | dante_1core | ^^ |
| 16:38.18 | dante_1core | good, done that. |
| 16:38.30 | xand | dondelelcaro: nm, he left |
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| 16:39.22 | mike1o | dante_1core, the player says empty disk :( |
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| 16:40.37 | error0327 | antegral(x^(2x)) ====???? |
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| 16:42.08 | xand | error0327: pardon? |
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| 16:44.11 | xand | abrotman: halp, sunday again |
| 16:44.35 | itchi | xand: Well, it's an official holiday, that's in one way or another: considered as sunday |
| 16:44.48 | norton- | I'm having some problems with my mouse and X. The mousepointer respoonds perfectly fine to movements, but when I attempt to drag something, like a window, it often takes a while for the mousedown event (or something) to register. So if I try to drag a window across the screen it often does not grab the window because the mouse click happens after the mouse has moved away from the window. Any ideas? |
| 16:44.49 | xand | hmm yes. |
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| 16:45.31 | itchi | norton-: Do you have tweaked the xorg.conf? What DE do you use? |
| 16:45.32 | dante_1c1re | g2g |
| 16:45.34 | dante_1c1re | bye guys! |
| 16:45.47 | xand | dante_1c1re: but you only just arrived |
| 16:45.49 | norton- | Sometimes when moving the mouse with the button down, X also seems to lose the down state for a while, and then it comes back a moment after that. Hope you understand what I mean. |
| 16:46.12 | itchi | norton-: Do you have that same problem with another mouse? |
| 16:46.17 | Gnu_Raiz | what mouse are you using. |
| 16:46.21 | norton- | itchi: what is DE? |
| 16:46.29 | itchi | norton-: Desktop environment |
| 16:46.37 | itchi | norton-: Gnome, KDE, ... |
| 16:46.39 | norton- | ok, fvwm2 |
| 16:47.08 | norton- | pretty old computer, PIII 500MHz. Yes I have tried other mice, same problem. |
| 16:47.23 | norton- | It is a PS/2 mouse, using ImPS/2 driver |
| 16:47.27 | mike1o | how do I check for encrypted partions? |
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| 16:49.00 | norton- | and with gpm in console it works fine |
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| 16:49.14 | itchi | norton-: Did you tweak the xorg.conf ? |
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| 16:49.44 | mike1o | Ive got one of those peculiar mp3 usb players with a hidden/encrypted partition for voice recording... how do I detect it? |
| 16:49.59 | telenieko | Hi ppl. Since few days ago when I insert blank media on the cd/dvd drive GNOME does not notice it, and it won't allow me to record anything; It says that there's no media on the drive. dvd+rw-mediainfo says that there is a blank DVD on the drive so it doesn't seem a hardware problem. Any clues? (Debian/Lenny) |
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| 16:50.30 | norton- | itchi: no I haven't. I think I tried when I had slackware on this box, without success. But haven't touched it here on Debian. Any idea on what I should try? |
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| 16:50.55 | itchi | norton-: Not really |
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| 16:51.17 | itchi | norton-: Try maybe the psaux |
| 16:51.51 | norton- | ok, I'll try a little |
| 16:51.53 | itchi | norton-: /dev/input/mice also. Did you try other drivers? |
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| 16:54.42 | Gnu_Raiz | ok found the default location of the pciids file |
| 16:55.09 | norton- | /dev/input/mice was the default, tried /dev/psaux now, same problem. There is no other drivers are there? |
| 16:55.17 | norton- | I'll try some different protocols too |
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| 16:55.24 | Gnu_Raiz | its listed in the man page /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
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| 16:55.38 | abrotman | xand: ? |
| 16:55.47 | abrotman | mfr |
| 16:55.48 | abrotman | damn him |
| 16:56.02 | Gnu_Raiz | my question still stands, do I need to init 1 for the new list to be read or is it automatic the man page does not specify. |
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| 16:56.34 | y | from the tar command can i maximize gzip compression? |
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| 16:56.59 | jamesd_ | y man tar |
| 16:57.50 | Gnu_Raiz | abrotman: have any idea if I need to init 1 to read the new pci.ids file? |
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| 16:58.28 | Gnu_Raiz | still getting unknown devices :( |
| 16:58.44 | jamesd_ | --use-compress-program PROG |
| 16:58.45 | jamesd_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:59.30 | Gnu_Raiz | why do you need better compression, running out of room or something? |
| 17:00.12 | y | yeah. |
| 17:00.17 | abrotman | Gnu_Raiz: if what needs to read it ? |
| 17:00.33 | y | I'm not running out of room I am just shuffling files around the system |
| 17:00.35 | abrotman | y: don told you last night how? or was that jamesd_ ? |
| 17:00.42 | abrotman | you were told last night |
| 17:00.52 | y | nein. I was told other things last night. |
| 17:00.57 | abrotman | no you weren't |
| 17:00.58 | rewtah | must've been ##linux |
| 17:01.10 | y | yes, abrotman, I was. And I'm not going to have this stupid discussion, either. |
| 17:01.16 | y | The things I was told to do last night, I did last night. |
| 17:01.16 | abrotman | no .. you weren't ... |
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| 17:01.27 | abrotman | and he also told you that you could pipe it to gzip if you couldn't figure out tar |
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| 17:02.17 | mike1o | As soon as I log into gmail in iceweasel and it automatically restarts X... |
| 17:02.18 | shamrock | how do I provide an alias for a long name like abcdefghijkl.xxxxxxxx.net to "zzz"? I dont have a known ip address so /etc/hosts sin't the place. |
| 17:02.35 | abrotman | mike1o: tried another browser? for all users? |
| 17:02.50 | mike1o | abrotman, with epiphany all goes well |
| 17:03.01 | abrotman | same browser plgins etc? |
| 17:03.14 | mike1o | abrotman, gotta check on that one |
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| 17:04.22 | norton- | nope, xorg.conf settings seems to be fine :( |
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| 17:04.30 | shamrock | no one? |
| 17:05.05 | screamingbytes | shamrock: do u have a dns server running? |
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| 17:05.11 | abrotman | shamrock: your browser might accept that as a bookmark ? |
| 17:05.23 | abrotman | i know epiphany does |
| 17:05.56 | y | I am getting errors with tar -cvvfz desktop.tar.gz Desktop/ |
| 17:05.56 | shamrock | its for ssh and vncviewer in teh command line |
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| 17:06.51 | abrotman | y: are you going to share the errors with us? |
| 17:07.23 | y | I was hoping there was something obviously wrong with it. Just said 'failed due to previous errors' maybe i should remove verbose mode to see errors. |
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| 17:09.07 | y | gives me 'Cannot stat, no such file or directory, abrotman. |
| 17:09.14 | y | for the name i give it |
| 17:09.25 | abrotman | it can't find ~/Desktop/ ? |
| 17:09.36 | y | no,i t can't find desktop.tar.gz |
| 17:10.07 | abrotman | you're trying to create it? |
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| 17:10.26 | y | ys sir. |
| 17:10.29 | y | thus the -c switch |
| 17:10.40 | abrotman | so why is it trying to find it? |
| 17:10.43 | abrotman | is your PWD gone ? |
| 17:10.58 | y | I have no idea my friend. I'm just running that command. |
| 17:11.00 | y | my PWD? |
| 17:11.09 | abrotman | CWD? |
| 17:11.19 | y | WTF? |
| 17:11.27 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:11.30 | y | =) |
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| 17:11.43 | abrotman | echo $PWD |
| 17:12.02 | y | gives me cur directory |
| 17:12.07 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:12.21 | abrotman | can you tar anything? |
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| 17:13.29 | mike1o | I have a mp3 usb player containing a weird hidden/encrypted partition... is there a way I can detect it and not have to install XP in order to use the SW that came with it? |
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| 17:13.57 | y | abrotman, seriously. |
| 17:14.13 | y | yeah maybe my kernel is messed up. occum would cry. |
| 17:14.15 | abrotman | yes .. i'm serious |
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| 17:14.43 | abrotman | you know .. like tar -cvvfz /tmp/blah.tar.gz ~/.bash_profile |
| 17:15.13 | abrotman | hrm .. maybe 'f' needs to be last ? |
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| 17:15.23 | abrotman | i bet it does |
| 17:15.49 | abrotman | y: put the 'f' last |
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| 17:16.03 | y | hmmm maybe c needs to be last, or something? |
| 17:16.06 | abrotman | y: put the 'f' last |
| 17:16.07 | y | yeah. weird switch ordering i bet that's it. |
| 17:16.15 | y | good call. =) |
| 17:16.21 | y | let see... |
| 17:16.48 | y | running.... |
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| 17:17.45 | Azar | happy new year honorables |
| 17:17.59 | y | perfect |
| 17:19.43 | Azar | woot? it was Sarge, not Etch updated :) |
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| 17:20.29 | itchi | Well, the preseed automating seems to be cooool :-) |
| 17:20.34 | mike1o | I don't know how I got it working!! |
| 17:20.39 | itchi | I got it working :-p |
| 17:20.52 | mike1o | you too? |
| 17:20.56 | mike1o | great! |
| 17:21.09 | itchi | Azar: wishe you a great health! |
| 17:22.39 | itchi | mike1o: Well, it's kinda easy. Put a preseed.cfg somewhere. Boot up a install and on the first install screen, enter: install vga=791 auto url=http://192.168.1.2/path/to/mypreseed.file and that's done. Once you have manually enter the network info, all goes automated. |
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| 17:23.47 | itchi | A nice example you get there http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/example-preseed.txt More info on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en |
| 17:24.14 | Azar | itchi: thank you I needed it :) best wishes to you for this new year |
| 17:24.16 | itchi | wtf 5 mins and my Debian install is done. That's crazy! |
| 17:24.43 | bjwebb | how do i update the opengl glx server version? |
| 17:24.58 | itchi | Azar: Thanks! |
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| 17:27.24 | tripoo | Hello, what is the way to 'remove score' if something is 'good', I use this, but does not work, only work using 1.0 or +1.0 |
| 17:27.28 | tripoo | score DKIM_SIGNED -1.0 |
| 17:27.30 | tripoo | why not -1.0 ? I want to 'remove' just one point if DKIM is signed, any idea? |
| 17:28.07 | itchi | Well, just my password did not work with the automated install :-) |
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| 17:29.46 | jelly-home | tripoo: note: this is #debian, not #spamassassin ... we might not know what you're talking about |
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| 17:30.07 | tripoo | no one uses spamassassin? |
| 17:30.16 | abrotman | i read my spam |
| 17:30.17 | Azar | jelly-home: yeah I was looking at his stuff and thought: wtf? |
| 17:30.22 | Ronin | tripoo: many do but #spamassassin knows it best |
| 17:30.38 | tripoo | nothing repspons me, I am on #spamassassin too |
| 17:30.45 | Ronin | tripoo: patience |
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| 17:30.58 | Ronin | they too may be hung over heh |
| 17:31.03 | Azar | it's the first day of the year... people still sleeping |
| 17:31.08 | tripoo | Ronin: you use spamassassin? |
| 17:31.23 | tripoo | Azar: are you sleep? are you a people? := |
| 17:31.55 | abrotman | tripoo: you don't really want to know |
| 17:32.04 | Azar | I just woke up, andif I am not people, maybe I am goat |
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| 17:36.46 | Ronin | figures it would be you |
| 17:36.59 | zipper | !dma |
| 17:36.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, dma is (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process. to turn on dma, hdparm -d1 /dev/hda. to make it permanent, edit /etc/hdparm.conf |
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| 17:38.37 | chuck | hi, in exim4, is it possible to make an alias in /etc/aliases that gets sent to more than one account? |
| 17:38.54 | abrotman | comma separated |
| 17:39.11 | abrotman | at least that works in postfix .. don't see why exim would be different there |
| 17:39.14 | Alam_Debian | hmm, how do I check if DMA is on for my hard drives? |
| 17:39.21 | chuck | so like: |
| 17:39.24 | abrotman | hdparm probably |
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| 17:39.30 | chuck | coolalias: oneperson, anotherperson, athirdperson |
| 17:39.33 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:40.01 | chuck | also is there a way to search through installed packages for a certain package? |
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| 17:40.10 | chuck | like apt-cache search but only for installed ones? |
| 17:40.32 | abrotman | chuck: dpkg -l | grep <foo> ? |
| 17:41.00 | abrotman | maybe with aptitude |
| 17:41.04 | chuck | ah, thanks |
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| 17:47.16 | Slaughter | hola |
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| 17:48.18 | karrotx | is there a way to turn off umask for a user? |
| 17:48.24 | Azar | wow! Debian was tagged as "Almost Non-Free Software" |
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| 17:49.00 | jelly-home | "almost free", you mean |
| 17:49.17 | Azar | oh yes, sorry, Almost Free |
| 17:49.22 | finek | to much alkohol |
| 17:49.44 | Azar | dutchfish: reading LWN... from Dec 12 |
| 17:50.39 | Azar | hmm bsd wasn't classified yet |
| 17:51.11 | jelly-home | who cares about how FSF classifies distros |
| 17:51.31 | Azar | I do, I would go HURD but can't manage to install.. |
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| 17:53.57 | Azar | hey what happens with the woody's repo archives? get toasted or still available around? |
| 17:53.58 | SPF | happy newyear everyone! |
| 17:54.37 | jelly-home | Azar: http://archive.debian.org |
| 17:54.42 | Azar | if one say wants to install and use woody , will that still be possible? |
| 17:54.56 | dutchfish | sure |
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| 17:56.09 | Azar | thanks jelly-home :) |
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| 17:59.09 | solomon | is ext3 the best choice for a file system on a file server that will serve some music and movies, including large HD movies, to a small handful of clients over a local gigabit network? |
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| 18:05.41 | abrotman | solomon: if you don't know better .. yes :) |
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| 18:06.20 | solomon | abrotman: ironically, i just went ahead and chose that on that very logic :P |
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| 18:11.59 | chuck | what's the latest kernel that one would want to use on a production server? |
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| 18:12.14 | dotCOMmie | 2.6.23 |
| 18:12.24 | chuck | whoa |
| 18:12.26 | chuck | i'm out of date |
| 18:12.34 | chuck | what's the package name to install it? |
| 18:12.53 | simonrvn | !tell chuck -about search |
| 18:12.53 | dotCOMmie | chuck: oh you mean debian based package? I don't know |
| 18:13.29 | chuck | i don't know what to search for :-( |
| 18:13.35 | abrotman | chuck: 2.6.18 is in etch |
| 18:13.53 | chuck | oh, i've got 2.6.18-4-686 is that up to date? |
| 18:13.57 | abrotman | no |
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| 18:14.07 | abrotman | chuck: do you have security.debian.org sources? |
| 18:14.15 | dotCOMmie | Testing has 22 I think |
| 18:14.17 | chuck | yes |
| 18:14.21 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: you're not helping |
| 18:14.28 | abrotman | chuck: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
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| 18:14.35 | abrotman | chuck: is anything held back ? |
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| 18:15.20 | chuck | abrotman: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 18:15.29 | abrotman | chuck: explicitly install that package |
| 18:15.39 | chuck | so i should say n? |
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| 18:15.41 | abrotman | so aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 18:16.11 | mudge | anyone familiar with exim? |
| 18:16.27 | mudge | I just aptitude install exim, but i have no idea what to do next |
| 18:16.46 | mudge | how do I test that exim is working? |
| 18:16.53 | chuck | abrotman: can i install it now and restart later? |
| 18:16.53 | abrotman | try to send yourself an email ? |
| 18:17.01 | abrotman | define "later" |
| 18:17.26 | chuck | abrotman: like 30 minutes or so? |
| 18:17.28 | dutchfish | whe i do a \time ls -la ; what does (in the last line) 0inputs+0outputs (0major+400minor)pagefaults 0swaps ; 400 minor exactly mean? |
| 18:17.32 | mudge | abrotman: how do I send myself and email and where do I look for it? |
| 18:17.33 | abrotman | chuck: that should be fine ... |
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| 18:17.39 | chuck | okay |
| 18:17.40 | abrotman | mudge: echo "hi" | mail mudge |
| 18:17.41 | y | does "df" need to be updated periodically, or update itself, or something? |
| 18:17.47 | y | I just removed a rather large file and no change in space. |
| 18:17.48 | abrotman | y: updates itself |
| 18:17.51 | abrotman | y: sync |
| 18:17.57 | y | i need to call sync command? |
| 18:18.08 | abrotman | or wait for it to happen on its own |
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| 18:18.33 | ecolou74 | hello everybody ans happy new year 2008 |
| 18:18.36 | y | df --sync gives me same resullt. i suppose maybe that tar was 0 kb |
| 18:18.53 | dcordero | actually i get the extension of a file in a shellscript using ls file | cut -f2 -d"." But i need to know the special case of when a file havent extension, someone know how can i get it? |
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| 18:20.16 | mudge | abrotman: I sent myself an email, i know i'm using the mbox format |
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| 18:20.33 | abrotman | did you get it ? |
| 18:20.41 | mudge | abrotman: i don't know, how do I check? |
| 18:20.45 | abrotman | mail |
| 18:20.52 | abrotman | what kind of mailhost did you pick? |
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| 18:21.31 | mudge | I typed in mail, and it says: "No mail for nick" |
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| 18:21.37 | abrotman | so no mail |
| 18:21.49 | abrotman | what kind of mailhost did you pick? |
| 18:21.50 | mudge | abrotman: i'm sorry i don't know what a mailhost is |
| 18:22.04 | abrotman | it asked you questions when you installed ? |
| 18:22.09 | mudge | yes |
| 18:22.14 | abrotman | do you know what you picked ? |
| 18:22.39 | mudge | like smarthost or static ip? |
| 18:22.43 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:22.43 | mudge | I chose static ip |
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| 18:22.57 | mudge | i'm running a virtual private server that has a static ip |
| 18:22.58 | abrotman | so you chose "Internet Mail Server' or something like that ? |
| 18:23.02 | mudge | yea |
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| 18:23.15 | abrotman | maybe look in your mail logs |
| 18:23.24 | abrotman | or check the mailq |
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| 18:27.30 | mudge | when an email is sent, what file does the email get sent to? |
| 18:27.50 | mudge | when I type "mail" what files does "mail" check to see if there is mail |
| 18:28.26 | chuck | mudge: /var/mail/youruser iirc |
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| 18:29.20 | chuck | at least that's how i have it configured, not sure if that's default or not |
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| 18:32.36 | shamrock | I can view and control an existing remote dekstop using vncviewer, but what do I need to actually loginto a new desktop session on a remote machine with full X desktop? |
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| 18:33.51 | neumayr_ | hello |
| 18:34.07 | wols | shamrock: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-X-Apps-9.html |
| 18:35.32 | mudge | i checked the mail box of www-data and it says "Mailing to remote domains not supported" |
| 18:35.43 | neumayr_ | can i change the default cpufreq governor without recomiling the kernel? |
| 18:35.52 | chuck | mudge: did you configure exim yet? |
| 18:35.53 | Insolit | guys i have one 2wire DSL router that connects to the internet, i wanted to connect my Asus with openwrt router to 2wire DSL, so that Asus router gets to be the main router of the house. First thing i tried was to set the asus router in DMZ, in the 2wire router. This works, but connection is unstable. I'm disconnected in applications like IRC and online games, almost every 5 minutes. So I'd like to know the best approach to link these to rou |
| 18:35.53 | Insolit | ter, to get a stable connection. |
| 18:36.00 | Insolit | Can anyone help me with this? |
| 18:36.12 | mudge | chuck: yes, you think i did something wrong? |
| 18:36.34 | abrotman | Insolit: this is #debian ... |
| 18:36.36 | chuck | possibly, i don't remember the configuration exactly |
| 18:36.39 | wols | Insolit: how is this a debian problem? |
| 18:36.46 | chuck | Insolit: #openwrt ? |
| 18:36.50 | abrotman | #networking ? |
| 18:36.58 | Insolit | is there such a channel? :D |
| 18:36.59 | Insolit | thanks |
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| 18:37.10 | Insolit | well here it focused a lot of experienced people |
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| 18:37.30 | Insolit | I was just trying my luck, thank you for pointing me to #networking, ill try my luck there |
| 18:37.35 | wols | Insolit: we know about debian. if you have other problems not related to debian: other channels |
| 18:38.00 | Insolit | usually debian users in here, know a lot more than debian |
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| 18:38.07 | Insolit | but i understand |
| 18:38.12 | Insolit | thanks a lot anyway |
| 18:38.15 | abrotman | Insolit: and the people in #networking might know about cooking ... |
| 18:38.22 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 18:38.30 | wols | abrotman: say, I have this nasty pony problem... |
| 18:38.36 | chuck | lol |
| 18:38.36 | neumayr_ | hm, mine isn't really a debian problem either.. guess i check #linux or something. bye |
| 18:38.47 | abrotman | wols: pull your pants up |
| 18:38.58 | Ace2016 | is there a user group that cannot write any file to the system??? i want to run an app but i'm scared it might leave something on my system, its from an untrusted source |
| 18:38.59 | neumayr_ | wols: it's pink? |
| 18:39.00 | wols | abrotman: THAT pony's fine, it's the OTHER one |
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| 18:39.18 | abrotman | Ace2016: then don't run it ? |
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| 18:39.28 | Ace2016 | no but i want to run it |
| 18:39.34 | chuck | Ace2016: nobody:nogroup and yeah, you shouldn't run it if you don't trust it? |
| 18:39.54 | wols | chuck: there are world writable places. like /tmp |
| 18:40.00 | Ace2016 | like you know how i;m user 1000 is there a group so low it cannot write a thing? |
| 18:40.07 | chuck | oh yeah |
| 18:40.11 | wols | Ace2016: no |
| 18:40.17 | abrotman | chuck: can still write to /tmp/ for example |
| 18:40.19 | Ace2016 | oh |
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| 18:40.29 | Ace2016 | i was hoping for something that cannot read or write a thing |
| 18:40.32 | chuck | Ace2016: maybe try a chroot jail? or is that something different? |
| 18:40.38 | Ace2016 | yea how do i do that? |
| 18:40.41 | wols | Ace2016: and lower UIDs are usually more priviledge with UID 0 having ALL the priviledges |
| 18:40.55 | wols | chuck: not really a security measure |
| 18:41.18 | wols | the only thing "secure" is a full OS image (not oirtualized) you immediately delete after use |
| 18:41.26 | wols | and pray it doesn't infect your network |
| 18:41.27 | Ace2016 | ah |
| 18:41.39 | Ace2016 | damn forgot about the network |
| 18:41.48 | Ace2016 | ok i'll not run it |
| 18:42.04 | chuck | Ace2016: what are you considering running, anyways? |
| 18:42.50 | Ace2016 | something a friend (someone i know) made and said it would make my computer super fast and efficient, and its a binary linux file |
| 18:43.28 | chuck | err yeah i wouldn't run that |
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| 18:43.34 | cizzi | hwo come when i do apt-get install apache2 it doesnt create /etc/apache2 anymore? |
| 18:43.54 | cusco | perhaps it is created |
| 18:43.54 | Ace2016 | look at the installed files by that package |
| 18:43.55 | wols | !confmiss |
| 18:43.55 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 18:44.00 | wols | that's why |
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| 18:44.15 | naudiz | What version of python does Debian Lenny have ? |
| 18:44.17 | abrotman | cizzi: wrong package |
| 18:44.30 | abrotman | 2.4.4 apparently is the default |
| 18:44.40 | abrotman | though i also have 2.6 |
| 18:44.43 | abrotman | erm .. 2.5 |
| 18:44.47 | Ace2016 | naudiz: go check at packages.debian.org |
| 18:45.01 | cizzi | still didnt work |
| 18:45.07 | cizzi | didnt re-created /etc/apache2 |
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| 18:45.18 | abrotman | cizzi: apache2.2-common |
| 18:45.21 | cizzi | ok |
| 18:45.25 | naudiz | Ace2016 allright |
| 18:45.41 | cizzi | says its installed |
| 18:45.46 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 18:45.46 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 18:46.03 | cizzi | got it |
| 18:46.04 | cizzi | thanks guys |
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| 18:47.02 | JoeyAdams | What argument would I append to the kernel to enable using the fbdev terminal instead of the hardware terminal? |
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| 18:48.41 | gikid | ugh |
| 18:48.50 | gikid | i always seem to stuff up apt-get |
| 18:48.52 | Ace2016 | whats the difference between the fbdev terminal and the hardware terminal? how can you have a hardware terminal? |
| 18:49.11 | Ace2016 | gikid: tried using a gui, its hard to mess that up |
| 18:49.13 | gikid | this time i tried installing proftpd using webmin |
| 18:49.22 | Ronin | gikid: how on earth can you mess up apt-get install |
| 18:49.23 | abrotman | webmin isn't in debian |
| 18:49.34 | gikid | Ronin i tried using webmin |
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| 18:49.39 | Ronin | gikid: mistake #1 |
| 18:49.42 | gikid | it asked me a question and i couldnt awnser it |
| 18:49.54 | gikid | so i hade to kill it in the middle |
| 18:50.00 | gikid | i tried unstuffing it up |
| 18:50.06 | gikid | lemee pastebin the error |
| 18:50.20 | naudiz | abrotman Damn I thought python 2.5.1 would be the default in testing but it's not -- damn debian is slow on the uptake man |
| 18:50.28 | abrotman | gikid: aptitude install vsftpd .. done .. stop fucking around with webmin .. it will only screw up your system |
| 18:50.45 | abrotman | naudiz: it might still be when it's released .. but currently i think they're still doing the libc transition for some stuff |
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| 18:51.22 | Ace2016 | debian sid has 2.5.1 |
| 18:51.28 | gikid | abrotman the problem is that io cant |
| 18:51.34 | abrotman | you can |
| 18:51.36 | Ace2016 | 2.5.1-5 |
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| 18:51.41 | gikid | i cant* |
| 18:51.43 | abrotman | Ace2016: but what's the default? |
| 18:51.49 | naudiz | Ace2016 Yeah, but I'm afraid to run Sid it might hose my system |
| 18:51.56 | TbbW | omg no! sid breakes the toys! noo! dont hand em to him! |
| 18:51.57 | abrotman | gikid: you can too .. even Azar can do it |
| 18:51.59 | Ace2016 | abrotman: default? |
| 18:52.10 | abrotman | Ace2016: type "python" .. which version loads? |
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| 18:52.19 | gikid | lol |
| 18:52.21 | gikid | let me try |
| 18:52.22 | nitro4ce | how do i specify to an executable where to search for a library? because i get "No such file or directory" and the library is there |
| 18:53.03 | gikid | this is a network server btw |
| 18:53.07 | Ace2016 | 2.4.4 |
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| 18:54.31 | gikid | http://rafb.net/p/X3oOMY41.html |
| 18:55.03 | abrotman | gikid: if you wouldn't fuck around with webmin .. you would know what you're doing |
| 18:55.18 | jello | naudiz: lenny has python2.5, it's just not the default |
| 18:55.22 | gikid | abrotman i was being a lazy bastard |
| 18:55.31 | y | df --sync tellls me hdc1 has Used 7261384 yet a directory listing in a folder on /hdc shows a fille of 6 Gigs. WTF? |
| 18:55.31 | gikid | i know what i'm doing... but |
| 18:55.35 | abrotman | lazy wasn't the word i was going to use |
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| 18:55.41 | gikid | i didnt feel like ssh'ing in |
| 18:55.43 | y | oh duh |
| 18:55.47 | abrotman | your fault .. you fix it |
| 18:55.56 | y | df gives me things not in bytes but in kilobytes |
| 18:55.59 | y | so all is well |
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| 18:56.22 | gikid | how can i tell what has /var/cache/debconf/config.dat locked? |
| 18:56.34 | jello | gikid: lsof |
| 18:56.38 | gikid | mmk |
| 18:56.45 | abrotman | y: df -h |
| 18:56.56 | cizzi | ok things are messed up |
| 18:57.03 | cizzi | how can I reinstall completely apache2 |
| 18:57.09 | cizzi | and no apache at all |
| 18:57.12 | cizzi | --purge? |
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| 18:57.25 | jello | cizzi: back up /etc/apache*, then purge apache2-common |
| 18:57.27 | y | can i tar and gzip an 80GB iso without fear of problems? |
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| 18:57.35 | chuck | damn, i installed the new kernel and i restarted the server, but now i'm getting ssh: connect to host unixpod.com port 22: Network is unreachable when i ssh to it |
| 18:57.40 | gikid | rack8189:~# lsof | grep /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 18:57.40 | gikid | frontend 25006 root 4rW REG 8,1 75903 3524492 /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 18:57.40 | gikid | rack8189:~# killall frontend |
| 18:57.42 | gikid | :D |
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| 18:58.24 | gikid | worked |
| 18:58.25 | JymmmEMC | chuck: which kernel? |
| 18:58.27 | gikid | <3 you guys |
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| 18:58.40 | chuck | JymmmEMC: uhh i installed linux-image-2.6-686 iirc |
| 18:58.57 | JymmmEMC | chuck: and which kernel is that? |
| 18:59.06 | gikid | <3333 |
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| 19:00.46 | cizzi | as soon as i install apache 2 and restart it i get this |
| 19:00.46 | cizzi | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...apache2: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: No such file or directory |
| 19:00.46 | pleed | Is there a way to tell dpkg (apt-get espacially) to install/update a package giving it a chroot as / ? |
| 19:00.50 | cizzi | on a default install |
| 19:00.51 | cizzi | not normal |
| 19:01.02 | cizzi | why doesnt it have a conf file |
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| 19:01.34 | wols | a crhoot of / is kinda useless |
| 19:01.39 | wols | already is your root |
| 19:01.41 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.49 | abrotman | chuck: anything special about your NIC? |
| 19:02.10 | JymmmEMC | I'm having some strange, random behavior with sshd under ubuntu, and I'm wondering if anyone is having anything like this under debian as well. sshd may not let more than one sesssion, sessions lock up at random, not responding at all. etc. I'm just wondering if anyone has seen anything like this elsewhere; I've heard romors, but that's about it. |
| 19:02.15 | pleed | wols: i know. i wanted to say i would like to give a chroot path to dpkg/apt-get ... |
| 19:02.19 | abrotman | JymmmEMC: #ubuntu |
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| 19:02.20 | wols | abrotman: he installed a new kernel remotely and now the box isn't coming back up? |
| 19:02.22 | chuck | abrotman: ahh not really i dont' think |
| 19:02.27 | abrotman | wols: sure |
| 19:02.37 | wols | pleed: I meant cizzi |
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| 19:02.45 | JymmmEMC | abrotman: reread what I asked please. |
| 19:02.45 | wols | oops. it was you |
| 19:02.56 | wols | pleed: do a chroot and run dpkg inside that |
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| 19:03.11 | abrotman | JymmmEMC: bugs.debian.org/openssh-server ... enjoy! |
| 19:03.18 | pleed | wols: so i have to install dpkg into the chroot? |
| 19:04.04 | wols | pleed: running dpkg only makes sense if dpkg is already instaleld ie you want to put something in an existing debian install you didn't actually boot |
| 19:04.10 | wols | !wayttd pleed |
| 19:04.10 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, pleed? |
| 19:04.30 | abrotman | isn't it easier to do a debootstrap in the chroot ? |
| 19:04.54 | pleed | ok thanks |
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| 19:06.11 | cizzi | quick question, can i use http.conf and for apache2? |
| 19:06.24 | rwp | yes but why? |
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| 19:06.34 | cizzi | cause i get this |
| 19:06.35 | cizzi | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 19:06.44 | cizzi | i dont have a httpd.conf |
| 19:06.56 | simonrvn | !tell cizzi -about confmiss |
| 19:07.11 | rwp | You should have /etc/apache2/httpd.conf if you installed apache2. It is created automatically in the postinst. |
| 19:07.23 | wols | cizzi: just purge ALL of apache2 stuff and reinstall it since you're unable to do it otherwise |
| 19:07.36 | cizzi | i did that |
| 19:07.37 | rwp | However it is created as a zero sized file by default simply so that people know where to look for it. |
| 19:07.49 | wols | cizzi: I don't believe you |
| 19:08.04 | rwp | I am skeptical as well. |
| 19:08.19 | rwp | dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 19:08.19 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep apache |
| 19:08.24 | cizzi | which package do i need to reinstall completely to regenerate httpd.conf ? |
| 19:08.52 | wols | AciD: please uninstall them all as you see fit and then show us dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 19:08.59 | wols | -Acid |
| 19:09.01 | wols | cizzi: ^^ |
| 19:09.03 | rwp | apache2.2-common |
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| 19:09.07 | cizzi | allright i'll do it again |
| 19:09.27 | wols | cizzi: before reinstalling apache, show us the dpkg -l | grep apache output |
| 19:09.33 | cizzi | ok |
| 19:09.49 | rwp | Also remember that --remove leaves /etc conffiles untouched. --purge removes /etc conffiles. |
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| 19:10.12 | simonrvn | s,/etc,, |
| 19:10.29 | cizzi | pastebin is not working |
| 19:10.32 | cizzi | an i paste in channel |
| 19:10.38 | telexicon | no |
| 19:10.41 | JymmmEMC | abrotman: Thanks. Man, aweful lot of really old bugs in there. |
| 19:10.48 | mudge | i'm trying to setup the dns for my exim4 mail server |
| 19:10.49 | telexicon | cizzi, debian.pastebin.com |
| 19:10.51 | chuck | dang, i installed linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 kernel on my server and restarted it, but i can't ssh to it |
| 19:10.52 | abrotman | JymmmEMC: anything remotely related? |
| 19:10.54 | simonrvn | /join #flood |
| 19:10.57 | mudge | i don't know how the MX record should look like |
| 19:10.58 | chuck | it says; ssh: connect to host unixpod.com port 22: Network is unreachable |
| 19:10.59 | rwp | cizzi, hopefully dpkg -l |grep apache would be empty anyway. :-) |
| 19:11.01 | abrotman | JymmmEMC: have you tried another NIC or kernel? |
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| 19:12.13 | cizzi | ok i pasted it |
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| 19:12.24 | jello | mudge: MX 10 foo.example.net. ; Primary Mail Exchanger |
| 19:12.25 | rwp | pasted it where? URL please? |
| 19:12.36 | cizzi | didnt give me a url |
| 19:12.37 | jello | mudge: where foo.example.net. is the A record of the mail server |
| 19:12.38 | Ryan52 | when you run "xm list" nad it shows one of your instances with b, does it mean its not working or that it has nothing to do? |
| 19:12.42 | cizzi | never used debian.pastebin.com before |
| 19:12.44 | JymmmEMC | abrotman: Nothing that I can see. NIC is onboard. Upgraded kernel, Still getting session timeouts, but that may be isolated to one of my (older) remote routers. |
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| 19:13.00 | rwp | cizzi, Got it from "Recent Posts" link. |
| 19:13.01 | abrotman | JymmmEMC: it might be .. sadly .. this is #debian :) |
| 19:13.16 | cizzi | ok good |
| 19:13.36 | rwp | cizzi, You did good with the pastebin. It shows that you still have both apache version 1 and apache version 2 installed at the same time. I recommend not doing that. |
| 19:13.53 | cizzi | ok so i'll remove all of those right? |
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| 19:14.08 | rwp | cizzi, Yes. Have you made manual modification to the apache files in /etc? |
| 19:14.09 | mudge | jello: my dns looks like this currently, first there is the MX record: newsconomy.com MX 1 newsconomy.com |
| 19:14.12 | cizzi | yes i did |
| 19:14.12 | Orion_X11 | When lenny is becoming stable? Which will be the next testing version? |
| 19:14.15 | JymmmEMC | abrotman: Well, remor had it was related to ubuntu build, so I was wondering if debian had it as well. I might just fdisk and install debian instead, jsut didn't want hte same behavior if issues was in debain core as well. |
| 19:14.16 | cizzi | lets start from 0 |
| 19:14.16 | mfrisch | abrotman: hey ooooooo |
| 19:14.26 | jello | mudge: you need the trailing dot |
| 19:14.28 | rwp | cizzi, If so then you should copy them off before --purge. --purge will delete the conffiles. |
| 19:14.36 | cizzi | thats fine |
| 19:14.37 | abrotman | JymmmEMC: i haven't seen it |
| 19:14.37 | cizzi | i have backups |
| 19:14.39 | mudge | then newsconomy's dns looks like this: newsconomy.com A 72.249.127.144 |
| 19:14.44 | abrotman | mfrisch: you keep running away! |
| 19:14.48 | rwp | cizzi, If you have made no changes then simply purge all of the apache packages. |
| 19:14.53 | cizzi | ok |
| 19:14.55 | jello | Orion_X11: iirc, current plan is for end of 2008 |
| 19:14.58 | mudge | jello, besides the trailing dot, does that look okay? |
| 19:15.02 | cizzi | with dpkg --purge <package> |
| 19:15.03 | cizzi | right? |
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| 19:15.14 | jello | mudge: dunno, can you post to pastebin your dns file? |
| 19:15.17 | rwp | I would use dpkg to get a list and then purge that. |
| 19:15.23 | jello | mudge: also try running nslist |
| 19:15.29 | rwp | cizzi, dpkg -l | awk '/apache/{print$2}' |
| 19:15.37 | mfrisch | who's running...did you answer me earlier? I am just doing it the hard way and saving the debs this time. |
| 19:15.39 | jello | mudge: nslint |
| 19:15.39 | rwp | If that looks okay then 'apt-get remove --purge' that list. |
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| 19:16.08 | JymmmEMC | abrotman: Good to hear. It's a 1U server in a DC, so ssh needs to be reliable. and I is too po to afford a IPkvm =) |
| 19:16.11 | mudge | jello: I'm using everydns |
| 19:16.19 | Orion_X11 | jello: iirc > is it the new codename for the new testing? |
| 19:16.21 | rwp | cizzi, The 'dpkg --purge' on a list of packages is fine too. But then all of them must be done at the same time on the same command line. |
| 19:16.37 | abrotman | mfrisch: i'm not even sure what you're doing |
| 19:16.39 | jello | mudge: don't know what that is, i use bind9 |
| 19:16.44 | rwp | Since dpkg will want to see all of the dependencies nice and tidy. |
| 19:16.56 | jello | Orion_X11: no, the new codename is decided on by the RMs when release time get closer |
| 19:17.25 | mudge | jello, everydns is a free dsn hosting service: http://www.everydns.net/ |
| 19:17.52 | mfrisch | abrotman: uhm trying to have the packages so I can reinstall easier in the future. might just do a full mirror haven't decided, it is 18Gib fo testing |
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| 19:18.06 | abrotman | mfrisch: i thought you were burning them to CD |
| 19:18.12 | cizzi | allright guys |
| 19:18.16 | cizzi | everything is removed |
| 19:18.29 | cizzi | but i sitll have a /etc/apache2 dir |
| 19:18.30 | jello | mudge: ok, can you get a complete dns file out of it somehow and pastebin that? |
| 19:18.37 | cizzi | do i manually remove that? |
| 19:18.39 | rwp | cizzi, Great. Then /etc/apache2 is not there anymore right? |
| 19:18.40 | mfrisch | abrotman: would be nice. I put a ten Gib ide in for now |
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| 19:18.54 | cizzi | dpkg -l | grep apache shows nothing |
| 19:18.54 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep apache shows nothing |
| 19:19.01 | rwp | cizzi, What other files are in /etc/apache2? (Wondering if another package is involved.) |
| 19:19.10 | cizzi | ports.conf |
| 19:19.12 | cizzi | only file in there |
| 19:19.19 | jello | mudge: check their FAQ - http://faq.everybox.com/primary-domain/MX-format |
| 19:19.20 | abrotman | mfrisch: okay .. so use it ? |
| 19:19.32 | rwp | cizzi, Okay to remove that then. Remove it and the /etc/apache and /etc/apache2 dirs. |
| 19:19.48 | cizzi | done |
| 19:19.53 | cizzi | now i install what exactly |
| 19:19.55 | cizzi | for apache2 |
| 19:20.03 | mfrisch | abrotman: have you used aptoncd? can you add them to the package list without aptoncd? |
| 19:20.17 | abrotman | apt-cdrom ? |
| 19:20.19 | rwp | cizzi, What type of web server are you wanting? (Asking about the PHP modules.) |
| 19:20.37 | abrotman | mfrisch: just copy them to CD .. then copy them back? i'm really not sure why you won't use the http sources |
| 19:20.38 | mfrisch | abrotman: don't know. |
| 19:20.47 | cizzi | just normal web server that runs php code.. my whole point was to add php this morning, now i dont even have a webserver lol |
| 19:20.50 | cizzi | i had apache |
| 19:20.55 | cizzi | so not i want apache2 + php |
| 19:20.56 | cizzi | thats itt |
| 19:21.11 | cizzi | not=now |
| 19:21.22 | rwp | cizzi, Okay. Install 'apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5' at a start. |
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| 19:21.28 | mfrisch | abrotman: wastes time downloading. only going to have wifi soon and I want to get something more production before I connect. |
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| 19:21.44 | cizzi | rwp - all done |
| 19:21.58 | cizzi | hey apache2 is running |
| 19:21.59 | rwp | cizzi, Good. So now you have /etc/apache2/httpd.conf right? |
| 19:21.59 | cizzi | geez |
| 19:22.01 | cizzi | you guys are good |
| 19:22.02 | abrotman | mfrisch: so why not just get the debian CD set? |
| 19:22.07 | cizzi | let me check |
| 19:22.17 | cizzi | yes I do |
| 19:22.27 | rwp | The /etc/apache2/httpd.conf file should be a zero length placeholder file. |
| 19:22.32 | mudge | jello, abrotman: i got my email server receiving email, thanks for your help |
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| 19:22.35 | cizzi | sure is |
| 19:22.36 | cizzi | 0 bytes |
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| 19:22.42 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:22.47 | jello | mudge: you're welcome |
| 19:22.48 | rwp | All of the real configuration is done in /etc/apache2/conf.d/* individual files added by subsequent modules. |
| 19:22.53 | mfrisch | abrotman: if I can I would like to use testing. |
| 19:23.02 | cizzi | hang on taking notes |
| 19:23.27 | cizzi | ok done |
| 19:23.28 | rwp | So the httpd.conf file can be empty in the typical case. But classic old apache always documented throwing stuff in there. Today you should mostly ignore it and use the conf.d/* files. |
| 19:23.39 | cizzi | cool |
| 19:23.44 | cizzi | i think im good from here |
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| 19:24.02 | cizzi | conf.d is empty? |
| 19:24.05 | abrotman | mfrisch: testing changes |
| 19:24.20 | cizzi | where do i change my default /var/www dir |
| 19:24.35 | cizzi | apache2.conf? |
| 19:24.46 | rwp | you may also want to install mysql-client mysql-server php5-mysql libdbd-mysql-perl too. |
| 19:25.00 | mudge | anyone know of a good mail reader? is pine or mutt good? |
| 19:25.02 | rwp | Oops on including the perl module there. cut and pasted |
| 19:25.09 | jello | mudge: i use mutt |
| 19:25.13 | rwp | mudge, mutt is highly favored |
| 19:25.26 | jello | !start a mua war |
| 19:25.27 | dpkg | mutt rules |
| 19:25.29 | rwp | mudge, pine is not quite free software and means you always have to go get it yourself |
| 19:25.36 | jello | !start a mua war |
| 19:25.36 | dpkg | pine owns |
| 19:25.41 | cizzi | rwp - is it safe to modify apache2.conf ? |
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| 19:25.55 | mudge | thanks |
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| 19:25.58 | cizzi | and add loadmodule php etc at the end? |
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| 19:26.21 | rwp | cizzi, yes it is "safe" to modify apache2.conf but normally you won't need to do that. What are you wanting to do? |
| 19:26.33 | cizzi | just change the default www dir |
| 19:26.36 | TML | when you uninstall a package with aptitude, does it 'purge' by default? |
| 19:26.38 | cizzi | rootdocument |
| 19:26.41 | rwp | Normally modify the /etc/apache2/sites-available/default file. |
| 19:27.11 | jello | TML: there's an option to do that, don't know if it's the default |
| 19:27.29 | mudge | does mutt read from mbox or only Mailbox? |
| 19:27.30 | rwp | cizzi, you mean DocumentRoot? Modify /etc/apache2/sites-available/default for that. |
| 19:27.36 | jello | mudge: both |
| 19:27.36 | dvs | TML: It usually does NOT purge the config files |
| 19:27.37 | cizzi | cool thanks |
| 19:28.01 | cizzi | and finally whats the correct way to restart apache2? |
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| 19:28.18 | dvs | cizzi: update-rc.d restart apache2 |
| 19:28.20 | rwp | cizzi, The default Debian install sets things up so that you can have multiple virtual servers easily and so the sites-available/* files are modular. |
| 19:28.22 | dvs | oops |
| 19:28.28 | dvs | cizzi: invoke-rc.d restart apache2 |
| 19:28.35 | rwp | cizzi, /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 19:28.38 | cizzi | and it enabled php5 by default? |
| 19:28.43 | cizzi | i can run .php files? |
| 19:28.52 | dvs | cizzi: you need a separate module to do that. |
| 19:28.56 | jello | cizzi: just install php5 |
| 19:29.08 | rwp | invoke-rc.d is really more designed for use in package postinstall scripts and not so much from the command line. It respects the policy-rc.d settings. |
| 19:29.21 | jello | cizzi: libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 19:29.44 | rwp | cizzi, libapache2-mod-php5 installed the apache php modules. |
| 19:29.55 | cizzi | #/etc/init.d/apache2 restart ? |
| 19:30.02 | dvs | cizzi: yup |
| 19:30.32 | cizzi | ok not working in browser |
| 19:30.39 | cizzi | maybe i need to speciify my ip |
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| 19:30.58 | jello | cizzi: try `telnet localhost http` |
| 19:31.10 | cizzi | connected |
| 19:31.32 | jello | cizzi: type GET / HTTP/1.0 |
| 19:31.33 | joyfulgirl | Hello again! One last thing to configure in my mad quest to get this computer working: Printing. The printer is an HP PSC 1610 All-in-One, and I'm pretty sure I'm using the right driver (googled around a bit), configured using CUPS. When I try to print to it, however, it just wants to spew out an endless stream of blank pages (even if only trying to print one page). Any ideas? |
| 19:31.38 | dvs | cizzi: what's not working? Do you see a web page |
| 19:31.39 | jello | cizzi: and then press enter twice |
| 19:31.53 | cizzi | i dont see a web page |
| 19:32.00 | cizzi | and i get output from jello's instructions |
| 19:32.22 | rwp | cizzi, When you say browser not working, you did not see the default install page for http://localhost/ ? |
| 19:32.22 | jello | cizzi: then browse to http://localhost/ |
| 19:32.39 | cizzi | nothing |
| 19:32.42 | jello | apache's probably only listening on lo0 |
| 19:32.54 | jello | er, lo |
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| 19:32.54 | rwp | It should say "It works!" |
| 19:32.55 | cizzi | exactly |
| 19:33.03 | cizzi | only listenning on loopback |
| 19:33.08 | cizzi | i need to put my ip |
| 19:33.11 | cizzi | where do i do that |
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| 19:33.16 | cizzi | apache2.conf? |
| 19:33.25 | cizzi | listen ip:port ? |
| 19:33.37 | rwp | The Debian default for apache2 install is to listen on all interfaces. |
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| 19:33.52 | rwp | What does this say? 'netstat -na | grep :80' |
| 19:34.06 | cizzi | tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN |
| 19:34.14 | rwp | It is listening on all interfaces. |
| 19:34.22 | jello | that's tcp6 |
| 19:34.26 | rwp | It would say 127.0.0.1:80 if it were locked to the local interface only. |
| 19:34.28 | dvs | IPv6 |
| 19:34.29 | jello | ie IPv6 |
| 19:34.32 | jello | not IPv4 |
| 19:34.59 | rwp | Actually I believe it is both. At least it matches my IPv4 machine. |
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| 19:35.47 | rwp | Without my understanding why I always see tcp6 when a process is listening on all interfaces including IPv4. |
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| 19:36.13 | rwp | cizzi, What is in the tail end of your /var/log/apache/error.log file? |
| 19:36.18 | rwp | Any errors there? |
| 19:36.30 | cizzi | [Tue Jan 01 14:29:56 2008] [error] [client 69.70.124.166] File does not exist: /home/cizzi/www/apache2-default |
| 19:36.30 | cizzi | [Tue Jan 01 14:29:59 2008] [error] [client 69.70.124.166] File does not exist: /home/cizzi/www/apache2-default |
| 19:36.30 | cizzi | [Tue Jan 01 14:30:05 2008] [error] [client 192.168.1.102] File does not exist: /home/cizzi/www/apache2-default |
| 19:36.39 | rwp | Sorry, /var/log/apache2/error.log file. |
| 19:36.40 | cizzi | haha |
| 19:36.48 | cizzi | who told it to look for apache2-default |
| 19:36.53 | cizzi | i need index.html in there |
| 19:37.03 | rwp | Uhm, why does it say /home/cizzi there? Shouldn't it say /var/www? |
| 19:37.07 | cizzi | no |
| 19:37.10 | cizzi | thats where i want it |
| 19:37.12 | cizzi | thats good |
| 19:37.18 | rwp | Did you hack the default file DocumentRoot before looking to see if it worked? |
| 19:37.23 | cizzi | yes |
| 19:37.29 | rwp | Then remove the Redirect command. |
| 19:37.44 | cizzi | why i just need to tell it to poitn to index.html |
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| 19:38.18 | rwp | The default RedirectMatch is a helper. But after you have moved the location you wan't want that helper there anymore. It will only confuse things. |
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| 19:39.11 | cizzi | where do i change that |
| 19:39.15 | cizzi | the apache2-default |
| 19:39.17 | rwp | cizzi, Don't forget that when you changed DocumentRoot you also needed to change the matching Directory statements to match too. |
| 19:39.27 | cizzi | yeah i did |
| 19:39.32 | rwp | cizzi, In /etc/apache2/sites-available/default file. |
| 19:40.04 | rwp | Then /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload (or /etc/init.d/apache2 restart) |
| 19:40.26 | joyfulgirl | Hi; I'm working on printing. The printer is an HP PSC 1610 All-in-One, and I'm pretty sure I'm using the right driver (googled around a bit), configured using CUPS. When I try to print to it, however, it just wants to spew out an endless stream of blank pages (even if only trying to print one page). Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks in advance. |
| 19:40.37 | rwp | Also remember that apache runs as the www-data user. Your files in /home/ need to be readable by it. |
| 19:41.49 | cizzi | still not working |
| 19:41.50 | cizzi | i put |
| 19:41.50 | cizzi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.53 | cizzi | is that right? |
| 19:42.03 | rwp | No. Remove it entirely. |
| 19:42.12 | cizzi | that line? |
| 19:42.24 | rwp | Yes. The entire line. (Plus the two comments talking about it above it.) |
| 19:42.34 | rwp | You may comment it out if you like. |
| 19:43.01 | rwp | I wish that was not the package default. I think it confuses things more than it helps things. |
| 19:43.10 | dvs | rwp: agreed |
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| 19:43.22 | abrotman | !info printconf etch |
| 19:43.26 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.7 (etch), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 19:43.30 | rwp | The idea is that a default installation wiill get something going for the user immediately. But they did it indirectly. |
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| 19:43.36 | cizzi | can you guys tell me if it works outside my subnet? |
| 19:43.39 | cizzi | www.learningshells.com |
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| 19:44.00 | rwp | I see a full page with Welcome to LearningShells.com |
| 19:44.03 | cizzi | i always used apache... first time with apache2 |
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| 19:44.08 | cizzi | quite different |
| 19:44.13 | cizzi | thanks |
| 19:44.15 | rwp | If you look in /var/log/apache2/access.log you should see an entry for my browser. |
| 19:44.19 | cizzi | ok |
| 19:44.50 | cizzi | yeah i see a bunch |
| 19:45.00 | cizzi | now back to my orignal goal |
| 19:45.02 | cizzi | get php to work |
| 19:45.06 | cizzi | i was trying to get phpinfo to work |
| 19:45.07 | cizzi | lol |
| 19:45.09 | rwp | apache2 is incrementally more capable than apache1. |
| 19:45.11 | cizzi | lets see if it works |
| 19:45.25 | rwp | you probably want to install phpmyadmin then |
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| 19:45.48 | cizzi | it works!!! |
| 19:45.56 | talexb | Happy New Year all .. now, back to trying to set up a pair of mirrored drives .. |
| 19:45.57 | rwp | Great! What works? |
| 19:46.03 | cizzi | Yes! |
| 19:46.07 | cizzi | thanks so much |
| 19:46.22 | cizzi | i get nervous when things dont work |
| 19:46.26 | talexb | Using mdadm, is the --zero-superblock really necessary? |
| 19:46.41 | cizzi | rwp - oh i meant phpo |
| 19:46.47 | cizzi | www.learningshells.com/test.php |
| 19:47.02 | talexb | i did fdisk on the two drives, setting the partition type fo fd, but get 'mdadm: /dev/hdc does not appear to have an MD superblock.' |
| 19:47.08 | rwp | Looks good. |
| 19:47.13 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 19:47.14 | cizzi | yup |
| 19:47.31 | itchi | talexb: Do you setup raid1 from the debian intaller? |
| 19:48.19 | talexb | itchi, No -- I'm installing it after the fact, and I'm using DSL, which is based on Debian. |
| 19:48.21 | rwp | Be sure to read the /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.Debian file about setting passwords. |
| 19:48.59 | rwp | TTFN! |
| 19:49.03 | itchi | talexb: Bah, i don't support DSL :-p But if you want, i create a note about some test setups http://dvm.zapto.org:8080/pyguicms-dev/articles/view/software_raid1 |
| 19:49.14 | cizzi | i love this pentium 3 computer |
| 19:49.19 | cizzi | debian runs well on it |
| 19:49.36 | itchi | cizzi: Even on my P1 it runs nice :-p |
| 19:50.02 | talexb | itchi, I understand you don't support DSL :) this is a technology experiment raelly. |
| 19:50.16 | talexb | But thanks for the link -- I will read it and enjoy. |
| 19:50.22 | cizzi | i found a utility last night called hddtemp it gives the hdd core temperatur if your hdd has a sensor and ihad thte idea of putting it on my web site.. to run hddtemp /dev/hde and display it dynamically on html thats the whole point of this lol |
| 19:50.40 | cizzi | i can do that with php right |
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| 19:50.55 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 19:51.03 | dvs | cizzi: sure |
| 19:51.03 | itchi | talexb: I did the test setups in vmware-server. I have one production RAID1 setup too |
| 19:51.07 | Ace2016 | Anyone know how to see what the mouse dpi is? |
| 19:51.22 | talexb | I am running a Celeron 400 w/192M so I chose to go smaller with DSL than install FC8 which I figure would overwhelm this ancient box. |
| 19:51.41 | talexb | Kinda funny to put two 320G drives into such a small box. :) |
| 19:51.43 | Azar | Ace2016: I would guess you could look at the X configuration file |
| 19:52.07 | Ace2016 | Azar: i haven't set that option, i just want to see what is currently in use |
| 19:52.08 | itchi | talexb: My file/nis/nfs server is only a 1000MHz |
| 19:52.13 | dvs | talexb: FC8? Blasphemy! |
| 19:52.35 | Azar | Ace2016: it is listed in /etc/X/xorg or xfree file you just need to "look" at it, not configure it |
| 19:53.29 | talexb | dvs, I know, I know. ;) At work we're a RH/FC setup everywhere. I had some bad experiences with Debian earlier on, but I'm getting the hang of it now. |
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| 19:53.59 | dvs | talexb: Probably because you never talked to us before. ;-) |
| 19:54.14 | Ace2016 | Azar: nothing special in there |
| 19:55.07 | talexb | dvs, Probably. :) But now I'm wondering if I should be partitioning these 320G monsters into more than just a single partition. |
| 19:55.27 | edistar | talexb: why not use LVM? |
| 19:55.35 | dvs | talexb: Most likely. It depends what you're using them for. |
| 19:55.36 | edistar | talexb: then you can change it later on |
| 19:55.55 | talexb | edistar, Thought about that .. I guess I wanted to do One COmplicated THing at once .. get RAID figured out, then if necessary add LVM. |
| 19:56.29 | cizzi | itchi - i bought a linksys nas nlsu2 device a few weeks ago and replaced the rom with debian hehe |
| 19:56.31 | cizzi | its great |
| 19:56.33 | dvs | talexb: how many 320GB drives are you using? |
| 19:56.41 | cizzi | i back up to it and have debian on it too |
| 19:56.48 | talexb | dvs, Two. |
| 19:56.56 | itchi | cizzi: Well, i remplace my crapy router with a debian box :-) |
| 19:57.00 | itchi | replaced* |
| 19:57.06 | cizzi | linksys? |
| 19:57.13 | cizzi | o a computer |
| 19:57.15 | dvs | talexb: well, if you REALLY want to keep what's on those drives, I'd set up RAID. |
| 19:57.23 | cizzi | just set up a ftp server right? |
| 19:57.32 | cizzi | i use rsync |
| 19:57.35 | itchi | cizzi: It's already that long time ago, A D-Link if i remember right |
| 19:57.46 | Azar | Ace2016: "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" < input device mouse .... this is what you are looking for? |
| 19:57.57 | Ace2016 | nope |
| 19:58.12 | itchi | talexb: Play first with raid in a virtual computer. |
| 19:58.13 | Ace2016 | i am looking for the DPI, like 1600, 2000 or 800 |
| 19:58.32 | cizzi | any of you guys know if its hard to track bytes in and out for a user in debian? to track their bandwidth |
| 19:58.42 | cizzi | with iptables maybe? |
| 19:58.49 | Azar | Ace2016: I am sorry I never heard of a mouse DPI |
| 19:58.50 | petemc_ | cizzi: i use ipac-ng to do that |
| 19:58.54 | petemc_ | which uses iptables.. |
| 19:58.54 | Ace2016 | oh |
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| 19:59.01 | cizzi | petemc - does it give it to you at the user level |
| 19:59.04 | cizzi | from ssh sessions |
| 19:59.07 | cizzi | or just internal 192.x? |
| 19:59.21 | petemc_ | it logs what you tell it to |
| 19:59.29 | cizzi | pete - even external internet ips? |
| 19:59.30 | petemc_ | per host, per service, whatever |
| 19:59.45 | petemc_ | yes, i get a list of which internal ips used what bandwidth |
| 19:59.54 | cizzi | that works |
| 19:59.54 | talexb | itchi, I have this spare machine with nothing importatnt on it -- I'm using that instead of doing anything 'virtual'. |
| 19:59.54 | cizzi | but |
| 19:59.59 | cizzi | i need for external ips |
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| 20:00.05 | cizzi | usersc conencting from the outside |
| 20:00.10 | itchi | cizzi: There are tools like ifstat, iptraf and ntop ... But i don't know if the may track per user |
| 20:00.17 | cizzi | they dont |
| 20:00.17 | Azar | Ace2016: if you "less /etc/X11/xorgconfig < or something of that name file, you could find what you look for |
| 20:00.24 | cizzi | i did a fair amount of reasearch |
| 20:00.33 | cizzi | one i found useripacct |
| 20:00.33 | abrotman | xorg.conf |
| 20:00.33 | talexb | Eventually it's going to be an NFS file server for doing a vinyl -> MP3 operation. |
| 20:00.33 | cizzi | but |
| 20:00.38 | cizzi | its no longer maintaine |
| 20:00.40 | cizzi | maintained |
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| 20:00.41 | Azar | thank you abrotman :) |
| 20:00.41 | edistar | cizzi: you /could/ make a virtual network interface for every user ;) |
| 20:00.52 | cizzi | how |
| 20:00.54 | itchi | talexb: Just don't put important stuff on the RAID system before you are sure and able to manage the stuff |
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| 20:00.58 | edistar | talexb: cool, exactly what I am planing ;) |
| 20:01.21 | talexb | itchi, Of course -- this is the first tiem I've set on of these things up. It's going to be very experimental to begin with. Thanks for your cmments. |
| 20:01.25 | cizzi | edistar which program would be good for my need? |
| 20:01.49 | itchi | talexb: Break first the toy several times. Experiment and do some hdd failures simulations |
| 20:02.46 | mudge | hey, does anyone know how to make exim forward email to a different email address? |
| 20:02.48 | edistar | cizzi: I only know programs like iptraf that show traf for each interface, so if it really important I would make a virtual interface for each user and map that to the standard interface |
| 20:03.15 | cizzi | edistar - how is a virtual interface created? |
| 20:03.21 | mudge | i want exim to forward all emails to nick@newsconomy.com to mudgen@gmail.com |
| 20:03.24 | jello | mudge: $HOME/.forward |
| 20:03.26 | petemc_ | why would you use a virtual interface for each user? |
| 20:03.31 | mudge | jello: thanks |
| 20:03.32 | petemc_ | thats absurd |
| 20:03.45 | edistar | petemc_: because I can't think of a diffent way |
| 20:03.48 | itchi | mudge: Edit /etc/email-addresses |
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| 20:04.02 | petemc_ | InsolitWork: thats for rewriting outgoing mail |
| 20:04.06 | petemc_ | gah, itchi ^^ |
| 20:04.08 | itchi | mudge: Sorry, i missed a line |
| 20:04.54 | mudge | itchi: what? |
| 20:04.59 | mudge | itchi: what do you mean? |
| 20:05.00 | itchi | mudge: Ignore me ;-) |
| 20:05.12 | cizzi | i dont know if that would work |
| 20:05.21 | cizzi | users can login from various ip's or locations |
| 20:05.29 | mudge | itchi: should I edit /etc/email-addresses or $HOME/.forward ? |
| 20:05.29 | cizzi | so i need by user ip accounting |
| 20:05.41 | itchi | mudge: The ~/.forward |
| 20:05.50 | petemc_ | cizzi: im not sure thats viable for your needs |
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| 20:06.06 | edistar | petemc_: any other suggestions? I'd be interested too |
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| 20:06.24 | itchi | mudge: I replied to you first message, without seeing your second message with the details |
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| 20:06.34 | petemc_ | edistar: as i said, i use ipac-ng, which is ok, not great - im not sure how cizzi would achieve what he needs |
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| 20:06.48 | cizzi | i'll show you an ouput of what i'd need |
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| 20:07.29 | edistar | petemc_: thx |
| 20:07.29 | mudge | itchi: okay, thanks |
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| 20:07.29 | jello | cizzi: you'd have to track the net traffic by process and then match the processes to the users then total them up |
| 20:07.38 | edistar | petemc_: it's not in the lenny repos? |
| 20:07.39 | Ryan52 | Is xfce4 considered linux newbie friendly? (To be used for word processing, web browsing, etc) |
| 20:07.47 | cizzi | by process ? |
| 20:07.54 | edistar | Ryan52: depends, if you are simplistic, yes |
| 20:08.02 | edistar | Ryan52: if you have no windows experience, definitely |
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| 20:08.04 | cizzi | http://debian.pastebin.com/m3abe41fd |
| 20:08.15 | cizzi | thats what i'd need |
| 20:08.18 | Ryan52 | edistar: thanks |
| 20:08.19 | fysffa | hello, does someone know how can i activate the boot logger daemon ? /var/log/boot file says : "(Nothing has been logged yet.) |
| 20:08.24 | jello | Ryan52: if you have windows experience, i'd suggest KDE... |
| 20:08.32 | petemc_ | fysffa: /etc/default/ |
| 20:08.33 | cizzi | but ipacct doesnt work |
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| 20:08.40 | cizzi | last released in 2000 |
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| 20:08.43 | cizzi | by old patches |
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| 20:09.21 | Ryan52 | jello: thanks |
| 20:09.33 | fysffa | petemc_ : thanks |
| 20:09.48 | itchi | All DE are really easy to use. Even if you come from another OS. When you switch from XP to Vista, it take also some time to figure out where what is |
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| 20:10.03 | jello | cizzi: net-acct maybe? |
| 20:10.08 | cizzi | tried most of them |
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| 20:10.10 | cizzi | sounds familiar |
| 20:10.20 | jello | i imagine they all sound similar... |
| 20:10.41 | cizzi | yeah |
| 20:10.44 | edistar | Ryan52: XFCE is much faster than KDE, so if you have an old pc or don't want to wait for 10 seconds or so when logging in then use XFCE |
| 20:10.53 | cizzi | well i just checked, its a site i've been on allready |
| 20:10.57 | cizzi | so probably doesnt work for me |
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| 20:11.11 | cizzi | i ordered a book on iptables |
| 20:11.15 | cizzi | gonna writ something myself |
| 20:11.23 | cizzi | cause poeople are doing this allready obviously |
| 20:11.28 | branstrom | My libc6 is too old for w32codecs from medibuntu |
| 20:11.29 | cizzi | they just dont wanna tell yuo how |
| 20:11.40 | branstrom | Does anyone know if there's a nice backport or something? |
| 20:11.53 | petemc_ | cizzi: ip accounting should be fairly well documented |
| 20:12.04 | cizzi | sure is |
| 20:12.06 | cizzi | at the ip level |
| 20:12.06 | branstrom | Otherwise I'll have to upgrade to testing, like an irresponsible brat? |
| 20:12.08 | cizzi | not at the user level |
| 20:12.26 | itchi | branstrom: Well, install Debian first |
| 20:12.35 | edistar | cizzi: iptables are not made for user level, are they? |
| 20:12.45 | branstrom | itchi: ? |
| 20:12.53 | cizzi | I don't know but one guy told me he's doing it with iptables+perl |
| 20:12.54 | branstrom | I run Debian. |
| 20:12.58 | itchi | branstrom: Why do you use stuff from medibuntu? |
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| 20:13.01 | cizzi | he runs a debian server shell service too |
| 20:13.07 | branstrom | itchi: I wanted w32codecs. |
| 20:13.13 | branstrom | for mplayer |
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| 20:13.32 | itchi | branstrom: Well, checkout the debian-multimedia repo |
| 20:13.33 | cizzi | i know in iptables you can set rules |
| 20:13.39 | edistar | cizzi: I think iptables can handle user level stuff but it isn't very handy to do |
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| 20:13.44 | cizzi | so maybe log the current user AND his ip(s) |
| 20:13.45 | cizzi | and log that |
| 20:13.47 | zepard | happy new year |
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| 20:13.54 | itchi | branstrom: See /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 20:13.56 | cizzi | edistar - you have another suggestion? |
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| 20:14.05 | edistar | cizzi: no :( |
| 20:14.07 | zepard | is their a ndiswrapper master on sid |
| 20:14.09 | cizzi | hehe |
| 20:14.25 | cizzi | i emailed some of these guys that work on ip accounthing stuff |
| 20:14.27 | edistar | cizzi: I just read that once when I tried to dive into iptables |
| 20:14.28 | cizzi | maybe they will help |
| 20:14.59 | cizzi | if i write something i will make it public for sure |
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| 20:15.28 | cprofitt | anyone know how to remove applet from the KDE system tray -- I have five instances of nm-applet |
| 20:15.45 | edistar | cizzi: could you email me if you achieve something? |
| 20:15.50 | zepard | I want to build ndiswrapper but need linux-headers. problem on sid no way to get linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686 |
| 20:15.52 | jello | cizzi: http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_network/x-087-2-accounting.ipfwadm.html |
| 20:16.00 | cizzi | edistar - sure |
| 20:16.07 | cizzi | email me your email |
| 20:16.09 | zepard | any idea or workarround? |
| 20:16.12 | cizzi | cizzi@learningshells.com |
| 20:16.13 | branstrom | itchi: thanks... gah, already started the upgrade process though... got lots of upgrades, don't know if they came from medibuntu or not... hmm |
| 20:16.34 | itchi | branstrom: You should avoid to use other repo's |
| 20:16.40 | edistar | cizzi: I sent it by query, did you get it? |
| 20:16.44 | cizzi | let me check |
| 20:16.45 | branstrom | rebooting now, then I'll get rid of medibuntu and get debian-multimedia in there |
| 20:16.47 | itchi | branstrom: Take only debian-multimedia and the backports |
| 20:16.52 | cizzi | no |
| 20:16.56 | cizzi | whats sent by query |
| 20:17.00 | itchi | branstrom: See /msg dpkg backports |
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| 20:17.02 | branstrom | itchi: yeah... |
| 20:17.06 | edistar | cizzi: my address |
| 20:17.07 | cizzi | my mta is /bin/mail hehe |
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| 20:18.41 | fysffa | petemc_ : unfortunately it doesn't seem to work :( ; http://paste.debian.net/45914 |
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| 20:19.28 | petemc_ | fysffa: you edited that file to enable it? |
| 20:19.33 | edistar | cizzi: you should have a new mail ;) |
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| 20:19.49 | itchi | fysffa: Did you set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No ? |
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| 20:20.16 | cizzi | got it |
| 20:20.22 | jello | cizzi: seems like you want iptables with --uid-owner |
| 20:20.44 | cizzi | jello - from that url u gave me? |
| 20:21.05 | jello | cizzi: the url is a general intro to iptables... |
| 20:21.17 | jello | cizzi: --uid-owner is from the iptables manpage |
| 20:21.24 | cizzi | nice |
| 20:21.29 | cizzi | gonna write this down |
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| 20:21.55 | cizzi | so maybe it can match ip's to uid's and log that |
| 20:22.00 | cizzi | then i can parse the logfiles |
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| 20:22.47 | fysffa | petemc_ : ouch, didn't edited it, just made it executable and rebooted. i'll check it right away |
| 20:23.09 | jello | cizzi: why do you need IPs? just create a chain for each user and get your stats from that |
| 20:23.30 | cizzi | each user's in and out? |
| 20:23.37 | jello | yeah |
| 20:23.45 | cizzi | hmmm |
| 20:23.50 | cizzi | gonna read the iptables link |
| 20:23.53 | cizzi | to see how it works |
| 20:24.04 | jello | just my rambling, but sounds like it should work that way... |
| 20:24.15 | cizzi | i'll give it a shot at this point |
| 20:24.22 | Azar | holy cow! it looks like the entire republic of china invaded my mailbox... dam spammers |
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| 20:24.36 | eth01 | do what i did. |
| 20:24.43 | eth01 | ban the whole country. |
| 20:24.50 | Azar | yah good idea |
| 20:24.52 | eth01 | prohibit access. |
| 20:24.53 | dvs | o_O |
| 20:24.53 | cizzi | lol |
| 20:25.11 | cizzi | sendmail has a hosts.deny ? |
| 20:25.12 | eth01 | since doing that, my life has been a lot better. |
| 20:25.24 | cizzi | or just add sendmail: ip |
| 20:25.27 | cizzi | in hosts.deny |
| 20:25.32 | eth01 | use hosts.deny yea |
| 20:25.38 | cizzi | cool |
| 20:25.43 | dvs | one IP for China? ;-) |
| 20:25.45 | eth01 | no |
| 20:25.50 | eth01 | the ranges |
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| 20:25.59 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 20:26.41 | itchi | Azar: I have some f* bastards that are trying to spam comments on my articles :-p |
| 20:26.51 | Ace2016 | whats the equivalent of /etc/modules.d/ in debian? |
| 20:26.53 | abrotman | itchi: quit whining .. shut it off |
| 20:26.56 | itchi | Azar: The spammer are super active the last 4 weeks |
| 20:27.02 | Ace2016 | i'm trying to follow a gentoo howto for my mouse's pooling rate |
| 20:27.07 | abrotman | Ace2016: /etc/modutils/ ? |
| 20:27.09 | eth01 | ic3.gov ? |
| 20:27.11 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 20:27.13 | Contessa | what is the "done" method for installing a cluster under debian ? |
| 20:27.16 | itchi | abrotman: Realy not, because these are not able to spam :-) But it just blow up my logs :-( |
| 20:27.24 | Ace2016 | why does debian use a different name? |
| 20:27.31 | eth01 | for? |
| 20:27.36 | thedonvaughn | Ace2016: why does * use a different name? and wtf are you asking? |
| 20:27.36 | abrotman | itchi: then stop logging .. apache has flexible logging |
| 20:27.37 | Ace2016 | there is no /etc/modules |
| 20:27.40 | dvs | Ace2016: I thought Debian uses the same name |
| 20:27.42 | thedonvaughn | Ace2016: create it |
| 20:27.48 | Ace2016 | create it? |
| 20:27.49 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 20:27.52 | itchi | abrotman: I already have banned +- 420 bastards |
| 20:28.01 | itchi | That on 4 weeks |
| 20:28.17 | Ace2016 | maybe you banned too many |
| 20:28.28 | abrotman | itchi: that's useless .. whatever .. |
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| 20:28.59 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah i know, it just reduce it a bit, till they get a new ip. But honesty, banning slow down his motivation |
| 20:29.11 | abrotman | only another 4 billion or so to go |
| 20:29.26 | cizzi | if i start messing with iptables could i screw up my system? |
| 20:29.26 | itchi | abrotman: I don't care, it's automated :-p |
| 20:29.31 | cizzi | since i'm new to iptables |
| 20:29.35 | dvs | yeah, just wait until IPv6 |
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| 20:29.41 | jello | cizzi: yes |
| 20:29.48 | cizzi | jello - damn |
| 20:29.52 | jello | cizzi: mostly just the networking... |
| 20:29.55 | cizzi | i cant experiment |
| 20:30.03 | jello | cizzi: experiment locally |
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| 20:30.31 | dvs | jello: Locally? I thought that's how you run into trouble. Ban yourself from the network. |
| 20:30.36 | cizzi | i ordered iptables book from oreily |
| 20:30.41 | cizzi | hopefully i can understand it |
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| 20:31.01 | jello | dvs: you at least have console access so you can reset it... |
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| 20:31.35 | dvs | jello: Ok. That's what you mean. If you have physical access to the machine then a screw up isn't as bad. |
| 20:31.41 | jello | dvs: screw with it on a remote machine and you could end up putting yourself in a black hole |
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| 20:32.43 | itchi | I have some troubles with the preseed.cfg. I use a apt-cacher server and the preseed process is not able to make use of my http://ip:port/debian of my apt-cacher. |
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| 20:33.45 | itchi | abrotman: It's now near a day i don't have get a spammer back. It seems these have used all these stolen ip's |
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| 20:34.42 | zepard | question: the latest linux kernel on sid is 2.26.22? |
| 20:34.54 | jello | zepard: ask p.d.o |
| 20:34.55 | abrotman | .23 |
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| 20:35.55 | zepard | but it's kept back on my sid |
| 20:36.02 | zepard | abrotman |
| 20:36.12 | abrotman | so isntall it explicitly |
| 20:36.37 | zepard | no conflicts in sight after that? |
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| 20:38.29 | abrotman | zepard: i have no idea . you're the sid user .. you should know how to solve these problems |
| 20:38.43 | dvs | abrotman: true |
| 20:38.47 | zepard | you're right |
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| 20:38.59 | zepard | abrotman: you're right |
| 20:39.08 | abrotman | you should also have known how to find out which kernel was in sid |
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| 20:39.20 | WildPikachu | hi guys .... any idea when cdimage.debian.org will be updated with r2? |
| 20:39.24 | abrotman | no |
| 20:39.24 | zepard | i had a doubt |
| 20:39.41 | abrotman | WildPikachu: i think the last few times it's been about a week |
| 20:39.55 | WildPikachu | excellent |
| 20:39.58 | WildPikachu | thanks abrotman |
| 20:40.32 | chuck__ | any ideas why i'm getting errors like this when i compile? ./configure: line 526: `AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(libcppircclient, 0.1.1)' |
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| 20:41.04 | theLichKing | excelente |
| 20:41.24 | jello | chuck__: install libcppircclient ? |
| 20:41.52 | chuck__ | no, that's not a package, it's an alpha irc framework thing that i'm trying to get compiled |
| 20:42.19 | abrotman | chuck__: ask the authors |
| 20:42.43 | pleed | how can i look to what package a specific file belongs? |
| 20:42.45 | chuck__ | isn't there a package or something to get that working though? something for automake? |
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| 20:43.06 | abrotman | chuck__: build-essential ? |
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| 20:44.34 | jello | pleed: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 20:45.17 | pleed | jello: thanks |
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| 20:46.40 | ski__ | hello all, happy new year, was wondering if any one could give me some info on using 'vm' for mail |
| 20:47.40 | ski__ | basically are there limits to the mailbox size it can hold |
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| 20:48.37 | ski__ | i've just loaded my mail (~2.G) and its telling me 'Maximum buffer size exceeded' |
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| 20:49.16 | jello | ski__: change from mbox to maildir ? |
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| 20:49.45 | mike1o | what's the best dj program available for linux/debian? |
| 20:49.50 | dvs | o_O |
| 20:50.07 | jello | amarok? |
| 20:50.11 | tralala | mike1o, /msg dpkg search |
| 20:50.38 | abrotman | ski |
| 20:50.39 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 20:50.54 | abrotman | jello: if you have a 2GB mbox .. you should be shot! :) |
| 20:51.55 | jello | abrotman: i think that;s what that msg means... :) |
| 20:52.08 | jelly-home | !icedtea |
| 20:52.17 | abrotman | still not working! |
| 20:52.20 | jelly-home | !test |
| 20:52.21 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 20:52.28 | abrotman | !iced tea |
| 20:52.31 | abrotman | nope .. |
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| 20:52.49 | jelly-home | nah, it's just not there |
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| 20:56.11 | abrotman | !icedtea is <reply>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea |
| 20:56.11 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 20:56.16 | abrotman | jelly-home: feel better? :) |
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| 20:59.11 | chuck__ | !icedtea | abrotman |
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| 21:00.09 | Azar | sergio |
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| 21:00.49 | jello | !icedtea is also http://icedtea.classpath.org |
| 21:00.49 | dpkg | okay, jello |
| 21:00.51 | hgraey | hi #debian |
| 21:00.54 | chuck__ | !icedtea | chuck__ |
| 21:02.00 | Azar | hmm some distro (forgot its name) labels all non-free packages as bugs |
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| 21:02.40 | Azar | should Debian do the same? |
| 21:02.56 | tralala | no |
| 21:03.01 | wols | bib.free is not part of debian |
| 21:03.02 | hgraey | question about services in debian: why is there no feedback on the CLI when i e.g. issue "/etc/init.d/foo status"? and is there a shortcut for /etc/init.d/ like "service" on RH? |
| 21:03.23 | Azar | wols! :) happy new year! what is bib.free? |
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| 21:03.34 | wols | *non-free |
| 21:03.41 | Azar | ah |
| 21:03.52 | tralala | hgraey, because there isn't and no there isn't |
| 21:03.55 | wols | Azar: "non" with keyboard encryption |
| 21:04.03 | Azar | haha |
| 21:04.09 | wols | tralala: invoke-rc.d? |
| 21:04.19 | tralala | wols, deprecated |
| 21:04.45 | hgraey | tralala, so i have to grep ps for every process an init script might start? :O |
| 21:04.55 | Azar | wols: so Debian is "almost" free only due to kernel's blobs? |
| 21:05.12 | simonrvn | hgraey: yeh there is, may be in etch, dunno |
| 21:05.19 | wols | Azar: basically. supposedly lenny will be fully free |
| 21:05.36 | Azar | really! oh wow, that sounds nice! |
| 21:05.58 | tralala | hgraey, I've never had to do this. So I suppose the answer is: depends |
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| 21:06.42 | jello | hgraey: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:06.54 | hgraey | either i'm doing something wrong, or some default setting in debian is preventing me from getting output :o |
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| 21:07.18 | tralala | hgraey, getting what output out of what? |
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| 21:07.32 | hgraey | jello, calling /etc/init.d/foo status i expect feedback |
| 21:07.49 | jello | hgraey: that's very non-standard |
| 21:07.51 | simonrvn | not all of them support that |
| 21:08.00 | jello | i would have on such expectation |
| 21:08.04 | simonrvn | it's a redhatism |
| 21:08.04 | jello | this is not red hat |
| 21:08.15 | hgraey | heh, they don't even say OK when i start or stop them |
| 21:08.20 | Azar | hgraey: maybe you need to config some daemon's file in order to get announcements.. |
| 21:08.24 | hgraey | i'm kinda used to it because it's sensible |
| 21:08.26 | simonrvn | ohnoes! |
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| 21:08.44 | simonrvn | useless extra junk to bloat init scripts |
| 21:08.47 | |elppa| | What's the best way of installing a lenny package onto etch? It's not in backports and when I try and install it it wants to upgrade all sorts of stuff to the lenny vesion like libc6 and build-essential which I'm scared to do. |
| 21:08.50 | jello | hgraey: install lsb-init |
| 21:09.09 | tralala | |elppa|, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:09.17 | Azar | I used to get boring mail announcements from the daemons... don't remember what I did to stop them |
| 21:09.24 | hgraey | jello, gonna have a look thanks |
| 21:09.26 | simonrvn | |elppa|: backport it yourself |
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| 21:10.02 | erpo | In debian, how are log files normally rotated? Is it a cron job, or is it the responsibility of the individual daemons? |
| 21:10.12 | wols | !tell |elppa| about simple sid backport |
| 21:10.18 | jello | hgraey: er, lsb-base is what i meant |
| 21:10.18 | wols | |elppa|: works for lenny too instead of sid |
| 21:10.21 | Azar | cron jobs I guess |
| 21:10.23 | simonrvn | logrotate is the preferred tool |
| 21:10.41 | hgraey | i should have probably checked the scripts themselves first, but between no sleep, new years eve and juggling 5 distros 3 of which are new to me i'm a bit confused. sorry ^_^ |
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| 21:11.06 | simonrvn | your problem :P |
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| 21:11.27 | hgraey | oh, and i already have lsb-base |
| 21:11.38 | hgraey | nn |
| 21:11.40 | Azar | mister simonrvn how did you end your 2007 ? |
| 21:12.06 | erpo | simonrvn: Thanks. |
| 21:12.12 | Azar | nothing better when it snows than a soup of belly and tequilla |
| 21:12.14 | simonrvn | like any other evening, except i watched sporanos and a james bond movie on teevee |
| 21:12.24 | simonrvn | sopr* |
| 21:12.28 | Azar | hey sounds nice enough |
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| 21:13.21 | jello | soup of belly??? |
| 21:13.29 | Azar | jello: the belly of the cow |
| 21:13.38 | Azar | the skin from the belly |
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| 21:13.53 | jello | never heard of such a thing... |
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| 21:14.13 | Azar | yea is a sour and spicey soup goes excellent with whiskey or tequilla |
| 21:14.16 | tralala | it's horrbile until you get the hang of it |
| 21:14.19 | Azar | makes you dance in the snow |
| 21:14.33 | Orion_X11 | Which is the fedora channel in this server? |
| 21:14.41 | magaly | hi |
| 21:14.46 | tralala | Orion_X11, #slackware? |
| 21:15.14 | magaly | i upgrade sid and now i have not X :-( with ati radeon somebody know about it? |
| 21:15.29 | hgraey | hi magaly, we talked earlier |
| 21:15.36 | wols | Bhaal: did you upgrade your kernel? |
| 21:15.43 | Orion_X11 | tralala: No. Fedora man. Please ;-) I have a friend here who want some help from people there :-) |
| 21:15.46 | hgraey | fixing your horizontal refresh didn't do it? |
| 21:16.26 | tralala | Orion_X11, if you had to make a wild guess what would it be? |
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| 21:17.07 | erpo | Orion_X11: Open up a channel list and search through it. |
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| 21:17.47 | magaly | hgraey: hi :-) |
| 21:17.55 | Airbottle | /J #cmus |
| 21:18.02 | magaly | hgraey: yes i does it |
| 21:18.17 | Airbottle | damn, doesn't exist :s |
| 21:19.44 | hgraey | FYI #debian: the 64studio etch backport repo has some 404s i.e. incomplete gnome stuff, but some other gems that complement multimedia setup nicely |
| 21:19.58 | abrotman | hgraey: it's not Debian .. doesn't matter to us |
| 21:20.10 | hgraey | it's on the debian wiki ;) |
| 21:20.15 | abrotman | it's not Debian |
| 21:20.19 | abrotman | lots of things are in the wiki |
| 21:20.21 | wols | !tell hgraey about dmm |
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| 21:21.16 | hgraey | hm, so we don't talk about experience with debian related repos in #debian? |
| 21:21.35 | wols | debian related != debian |
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| 21:22.05 | hgraey | fair enough ;o |
| 21:22.54 | hgraey | magaly, you were gone for a while. what happened then? didn't work? |
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| 21:24.18 | hgraey | wols, is there a debian-related channel of some sort? |
| 21:24.22 | magaly | hgraey: didn't work |
| 21:24.41 | hgraey | magaly, did you get another error or the same? |
| 21:24.59 | wols | hgraey: not that I know |
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| 21:25.31 | hgraey | try renaming your xorg.conf to xorg.conf.bak, then restart X and see what happens |
| 21:25.32 | magaly | the same :-( |
| 21:26.02 | magaly | hgraey: i did it , but don't work |
| 21:26.22 | magaly | i tried some things |
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| 21:28.02 | hgraey | magaly, it's a videomode problem though. you might have success if you generate a modeline going from your monitor's specs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86_Modeline |
| 21:28.17 | hgraey | did you try the vesa driver at 800x600? |
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| 21:29.12 | milligan | I've added a printer, that seems to be working fine. I'm sharing the printer through samba, to a windows vmware machine. When I print stuff from the windows machine, the last 5 mm or the print (approx) are cut off. Any ideas to why ? |
| 21:30.16 | magaly | hgraey: i think that is a bug in a package |
| 21:30.39 | hgraey | magaly, try another monitor if you have one |
| 21:30.41 | Blackgoth | morning |
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| 21:30.54 | Blackgoth | and a happy new year |
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| 21:31.31 | Blackgoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.34 | Blackgoth | err |
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| 21:31.52 | magaly | well |
| 21:31.56 | hgraey | milligan, long ago since i used linux as my print server. i think back then i got better results using a postscript driver on the win box |
| 21:32.28 | shamrock | what is the best way to determine if a certain process is talking to a certain port? e.g I have palantir running (a web streamer) and I want to know if its talking to port 9192. |
| 21:32.31 | magaly | hgraey: this monitor run perfectly with ubuntu in another disc |
| 21:32.43 | hgraey | now i have a printer with it's own nic, much less hassle :3 |
| 21:32.51 | milligan | hgraey, the print is actually even better quality than it was when I was using just windows :P Only prob is those last few mm |
| 21:34.26 | hgraey | magaly, did you try copying over the relevant parts of your xorg.conf from ubuntu? |
| 21:34.43 | hgraey | especially modelines and monitor definition... |
| 21:35.05 | magaly | hgraey: yes |
| 21:35.12 | magaly | i does it |
| 21:35.36 | magaly | i think that xserver-xorg-video-ati is bad |
| 21:35.59 | wols | magaly: what card? |
| 21:36.41 | magaly | ati radeon 7000/VE |
| 21:37.51 | milligan | magaly, I got my ati card in this laptop up and running in 5 minutes yesterday. |
| 21:38.13 | milligan | apt-get the fglrx driver .. then download the driverinstaller from ATIs website. |
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| 21:38.22 | milligan | Once that's installed, run: aticonfig --initial |
| 21:38.25 | milligan | and you're good to go. |
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| 21:38.39 | wols | milligan: it would be nice if the fglrx would even work on that card.... |
| 21:38.46 | |elppa| | Hey wols that totally worked... compiling the package from sid sources and installing the deb onto Etch. Thanks! |
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| 21:39.00 | magaly | milligan: well i try but look this log please http://pastebin.com/d2419718f |
| 21:39.04 | |elppa| | wols: What about simple upgrading an etch package to the version in sid? |
| 21:39.11 | wols | magaly: that drivre will not work for you |
| 21:39.20 | |elppa| | I have an etch package for something already installed and would like the sid version |
| 21:39.22 | wols | elenril: what about it? |
| 21:39.27 | magaly | i have debian sid |
| 21:39.41 | wols | elenril: you can do it like you did this package if you want the newer |
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| 21:40.28 | wols | |elppa|: ^^ |
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| 21:44.59 | magaly | wols: driver? |
| 21:45.18 | magaly | wols: what can i do? |
| 21:45.38 | wols | set the monitor manuially incl. display frequencies |
| 21:45.59 | magaly | wols: is TFT 19" |
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| 21:46.07 | magaly | in ubuntu work perfectly |
| 21:46.25 | wols | magaly: thatn it's not understandable |
| 21:46.39 | wols | TFTs should be fine. but: just set your display data in xorg.conf manually |
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| 21:46.43 | wols | it seems there are DDC problems |
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| 21:46.52 | AuroraMSX | hello |
| 21:46.57 | magaly | how can i do? |
| 21:47.48 | wols | !drxx |
| 21:47.48 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 21:47.58 | wols | but doing the monitor selection manually |
| 21:48.41 | magaly | i did it |
| 21:49.01 | magaly | i change several xorg.conf |
| 21:50.08 | gravity | magaly: What exactly is wrong for you? |
| 21:50.23 | gravity | The ati driver is ungoing some transition right now |
| 21:50.48 | magaly | screen found but none have a usable configuration |
| 21:51.05 | magaly | > fatal error 104 |
| 21:51.49 | magaly | gravity: is a ati radeon 7000/VE in debian sid with xserver-xorg-video-ato |
| 21:51.58 | magaly | ati |
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| 21:52.32 | eagle-101 | I'm working with someone to install a package on debian that I wrote. The package is libcppircclient-0.1.3r4 an alpha version of a C++ IRC framework I'm writing. It compiles correctly on both gentoo linux and ubuntu, but for some reason his attempt to compile it on debian fails with the following error. |
| 21:52.32 | eagle-101 | make[2]: AR@: Command not found |
| 21:52.32 | eagle-101 | This indicates it cannot find the ar package, but asking him to run whereis ar tells me he has the package in /usr/bin/ar |
| 21:52.32 | eagle-101 | If anyone wants to try it on their system the package is at http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/bin/1199223946-libcppircclient-0.1.3r4.tar.bz2 Please run ./configure && make CXXFLAGS="-O0". It requires boost to run. (boost threads and boost serialization). |
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| 21:52.38 | gravity | Wow, that's different |
| 21:52.44 | gravity | It's not detecting the monitors at all |
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| 21:52.52 | eagle-101 | gah |
| 21:53.03 | magaly | gravity: how can i do? |
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| 21:53.15 | AuroraMSX | I have a problem with my soundcard: it is recognized as a intel-hda - which is correct. All relevant snd_* modules are loaded, but still no card shows up in /proc/asound :-( |
| 21:53.26 | eagle-101 | how many lines will it let me put in the question? |
| 21:53.27 | talexb | I've installed Damn Small Linux, which has the 2.4.31 kernel. It doesn't appear to have support for RAID built-in. |
| 21:53.41 | jelly-home | eagle-101: 4 lines in the row -> kick |
| 21:53.45 | talexb | Does the latest one have it, and should I upgrade to that if so? |
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| 21:54.05 | eagle-101 | jelly-home, alright, I just typed out all the details to the question... must have been a bit much. |
| 21:54.06 | talexb | (DSL uses Debian -- which is why I'm asking here.) |
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| 21:54.13 | eagle-101 | I'm working with someone to install a package on debian that I wrote. The package is libcppircclient-0.1.3r4 an alpha version of a C++ IRC framework I'm writing. It compiles correctly on both gentoo linux and ubuntu, but for some reason his attempt to compile it on debian fails with the following error. "make[2]: AR@: Command not found" |
| 21:54.13 | eagle-101 | This indicates it cannot find the ar package, but asking him to run whereis ar tells me he has the package in /usr/bin/ar |
| 21:54.13 | eagle-101 | If anyone wants to try it on their system the package is at http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/bin/1199223946-libcppircclient-0.1.3r4.tar.bz2 Please run ./configure && make CXXFLAGS="-O0". It requires boost to run. (boost threads and boost serialization). |
| 21:54.14 | jelly-home | talexb: we don't know |
| 21:54.26 | jelly-home | eagle-101: we got your four lines kthx? |
| 21:54.34 | eagle-101 | oh... sorry |
| 21:54.36 | jelly-home | no need to repeat |
| 21:54.49 | gravity | magaly: What happens when you comment out all those modelines? |
| 21:55.02 | magaly | dont work |
| 21:55.05 | gravity | magaly: As well as your horizsync and vertrefresh |
| 21:55.11 | gravity | You tried this? |
| 21:55.13 | magaly | i tried reconfigure package |
| 21:55.18 | magaly | yes |
| 21:55.23 | gravity | ok |
| 21:55.25 | magaly | i tried many forms |
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| 21:55.35 | jelly-home | eagle-101: can you pastebin the complete output of make? |
| 21:55.53 | gravity | magaly: Could you submit a bug against xserver-xorg-video-ati? |
| 21:55.54 | blatch | is there a straightforward way of installing kde4? |
| 21:56.03 | magaly | gravity: no |
| 21:56.04 | gravity | magaly: For now, I'd go to snapshot.debian.net and grab the old driver that worked for you |
| 21:56.15 | gravity | magaly: You can't submit a bug report? |
| 21:56.21 | Airbottle | does sombody know if its possible to set shortcut keys for the terminal based audioplayer "cmus"? |
| 21:56.21 | hgraey | magaly, could you try copying the whole working xorg.conf from ubuntu? |
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| 21:56.29 | magaly | i does it |
| 21:56.41 | gravity | The xorg.conf from ubuntu won't help |
| 21:56.51 | hgraey | why not? he says it works |
| 21:56.58 | magaly | hgraey: yes is that http://pastebin.com/d2419718f |
| 21:57.00 | eagle-101 | pastebin of the error is at http://pastebin.com/m8f46f89 |
| 21:57.09 | gravity | magaly: The xorg.conf from ubuntu works on your debian sid system? |
| 21:57.18 | magaly | gravity: no :-( |
| 21:57.20 | gravity | ok |
| 21:57.23 | gravity | hgraey: ^ |
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| 21:57.34 | gravity | The driver has changed substantially between gutsy's release and what's in sid |
| 21:57.46 | gravity | magaly: So why can't you submit a bug report? |
| 21:57.56 | magaly | i think that is a bug xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 21:57.59 | magaly | i think |
| 21:58.00 | gravity | magaly: It is |
| 21:58.04 | gravity | That's why we need the bug report |
| 21:58.06 | hgraey | gravity, but videomodes shouldn't change unless i'm mistaken? |
| 21:58.14 | magaly | gravity: yes i do it |
| 21:58.16 | gravity | hgraey: The driver doesn't handle the modes the same way now |
| 21:58.19 | jim__ | hello world |
| 21:58.42 | magaly | gravity: my english is very bad :-( |
| 21:58.46 | gravity | magaly: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
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| 21:59.06 | jelly-home | eagle-101: your paste indicates issues with the system clock, which may or may not mess with make. Set your clock correctly and try to reproduce? |
| 21:59.08 | gravity | magaly: The above webpage should help you configure it, although given that the driver is failing to get any information from the monitor, I don't know what's going on |
| 21:59.11 | gravity | It's very strange |
| 21:59.12 | hgraey | eww, good all the xorg devs still use crts on cirrus logic cards ;) |
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| 21:59.28 | jim__ | i am having a problem installing debian etch amd64 bit on my new custom built system... doesnt detect a common cd rom |
| 21:59.36 | magaly | well thanks i try it |
| 21:59.40 | gravity | um |
| 21:59.48 | gravity | hgraey: Most of us use intel |
| 21:59.56 | gravity | And radeon |
| 22:00.00 | jim__ | was wondering if there was a way to do the install from ubuntu to an already exsisting hard drive |
| 22:00.04 | magaly | i use intel and radeon |
| 22:00.48 | gravity | magaly: You may want to try with the IgnoreEDID option enabled too |
| 22:01.06 | magaly | okis |
| 22:01.17 | jelly-home | jim__: you could try the debootstrap installation method, or you could try using netinst images from "/msg dpkg kmuto" that use newer kernels |
| 22:01.37 | AuroraMSX | I have a problem with my soundcard: it is recognized as a intel-hda - which is correct. All relevant snd_* modules are loaded, but still no card shows up in /proc/asound :-( |
| 22:02.21 | magaly | well everybody thanks :-) |
| 22:02.26 | magaly | i try again |
| 22:02.40 | hgraey | gravity, was just kidding. i'm aware development for ati is not fun with just a handful of nda-signees, but exact timings from chip/monitor db is not one of xorg's strong points |
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| 22:02.53 | eagle-101 | jelly-home, he will try to reproduce. It might be a while however :S |
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| 22:03.20 | hgraey | i'm glad i use crts, always off by a little bit. sensitive tft might bite the dust there |
| 22:03.20 | jim__ | jelly-home_: hmmmm.... i am still kinda green with linux... deboot strap sounds like it could be a project... |
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| 22:04.05 | gravity | hgraey: I'd say with randr1.2 xorg is doing a lot better at getting things right |
| 22:04.33 | jim__ | jelly-home_: i know nothing about the latter suggestion you are making... is it a apt-get |
| 22:04.35 | gravity | hgraey: In magaly's case I don't know what's going on. The driver is failing to detect the monitor being connected at all, which is very weird |
| 22:04.42 | gravity | Maybe his connection table is off, I don't know |
| 22:04.52 | gravity | upstream will reply to the bug if all goes well though |
| 22:04.53 | cinex | hi. I was hoping for some advise/solutions. I have tried to isntall the debian testing release but the 'known issue' of the partitioner failing is affecting me (it can load it up, unbale to access files). Is there an older realse I can get with it working or any idea how long such things take to fix? |
| 22:05.15 | cinex | I need the new kernel |
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| 22:05.42 | gravity | cinex: Just install the stable release. kmusho has builds of the installer with new kernels. |
| 22:05.49 | jim__ | jelly-home : I'm kinda hoping of getting my system running sometime here in the very near future |
| 22:05.59 | cinex | gravity: kmusho ? |
| 22:06.01 | gravity | cinex: You can move that installation to testing once it's done. I usually do a stable base install, then move it to unstable |
| 22:06.05 | gravity | !kmusho |
| 22:06.15 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 22:06.16 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 22:06.20 | gravity | Ah, thanks |
| 22:06.22 | cinex | nice. Thankyou |
| 22:06.27 | gravity | I need to meet Kenshi one day |
| 22:06.32 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 22:09.37 | hgraey | gravity, looks like the monitor is detected to me, maybe ddc info conflicts with his modelines |
| 22:10.05 | father_marc1978 | I'm new to debian and I was wondering if it is possible to put all the proprietary multimedia stuff on it? |
| 22:10.20 | father_marc1978 | *Don't need to know how...* |
| 22:10.23 | gravity | hgraey: Possibly, but he said that commenting those out had no effect |
| 22:10.27 | gravity | hgraey: That was my first thought too |
| 22:10.55 | cinex | father_marc1978: there is a repository for media stuff |
| 22:10.56 | gravity | # |
| 22:10.57 | gravity | (II) RADEON(0): Output VGA-0 disconnected |
| 22:11.01 | gravity | ^ that line was weird |
| 22:11.05 | gravity | Assuming he had a connection |
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| 22:12.13 | father_marc1978 | gotcha... thanks |
| 22:12.21 | father_marc1978 | I wasn't sure it was possible at all... |
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| 22:13.02 | cinex | father_marc1978: they jsut can't add it into the isntall disks because of legal issues |
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| 22:13.58 | father_marc1978 | I thought it might be ideological. |
| 22:14.07 | father_marc1978 | I call Debian "Commie-Linux." ;) |
| 22:14.26 | father_marc1978 | Or alternatively, "Hippie-Linux." I like it. |
| 22:14.27 | cinex | why? |
| 22:14.30 | bp0 | anyone know where to get a pidgin debian package? |
| 22:14.43 | father_marc1978 | It seems to be the most FREE oriented of the distros. |
| 22:14.52 | hgraey | gravity, yeah, that's weird indeed. didn't even notice that line before, is that feature one of the latest additions? |
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| 22:16.23 | Airbottle | you an get it via bakports bp0 |
| 22:16.43 | Airbottle | damn, there is a letter not working on my keyboard |
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| 22:16.45 | hgraey | shh Airbottle, that's not debian ;) |
| 22:16.54 | gravity | hgraey: I don't honestly know. |
| 22:17.06 | Airbottle | why hgraey? |
| 22:17.07 | gravity | hgraey: I don't know if that line comes from the ati driver or the xserver even |
| 22:17.09 | bp0 | meh i cant build it |
| 22:17.20 | gravity | I don't track changes to -ati as well as I'd like |
| 22:17.20 | bp0 | this is frustrating |
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| 22:17.35 | hgraey | Airbottle, i was giving feedback about a backport repo i asked about earlier and got told off *shrug* |
| 22:17.49 | Orion_X11 | How do I install broadcom wireless card on debian? |
| 22:17.57 | abrotman | !bcm43xx |
| 22:17.58 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. |
| 22:18.24 | cinex | Orion_X11: the same way you do for ubunto. ubunto have lots of tutorials |
| 22:18.31 | cinex | ubuntu**# |
| 22:18.41 | chuck__ | !bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 22:18.42 | dpkg | bcm43xx-fwcutter is, like, a tool to extract firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers for the <bcm43xx> driver. Installing the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' <contrib> package will optionally download, extract and install driver firmware to /lib/firmware (this won't work on Etch, see bug #437488 and ask about <bcm43xx-fwcutter etch> for the manual procedure). |
| 22:18.44 | abrotman | cinex: are you 100% sure about that? |
| 22:19.05 | cinex | abrotman: not really. I wouldn't bet on it. |
| 22:19.13 | abrotman | cinex: then why even say it? |
| 22:19.27 | cinex | because I have one. and its true |
| 22:19.27 | chuck__ | on ubuntu, it comes default (or at least it did when i tried it) |
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| 22:20.21 | bp0 | "computer" in gnome thinks all my disks are removable, and wont mount any |
| 22:20.26 | bp0 | anyone got a fix for that? |
| 22:20.28 | cinex | bcm43xx-fwcutter and and the bcm43xx module or the ndiswrapper and windows driver |
| 22:20.29 | gravity | Yeah, just use the fwcutter and the bcm43xx module |
| 22:20.31 | cinex | its the same |
| 22:20.46 | gravity | non-ndis is way easier in the long run |
| 22:20.54 | gravity | No periodic maintenance |
| 22:21.03 | gravity | God, I hated ndiswrapper |
| 22:21.26 | cinex | gravity: this is why |I need a new kernel: so I can try out the b43 module |
| 22:21.33 | cinex | ndiswrapper has no monitor mode support |
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| 22:23.03 | jelly-home | eagle-101: Um. To build this thing, one also needs: build-essential, automake, autoconf, g++, binutils, libtool, libstdc++-dev, in addition to libboost-thread-dev and libboost-serialization-dev |
| 22:23.23 | jelly-home | eagle-101: ... and I still can't get it to build. ;-) |
| 22:23.38 | eagle-101 | jelly-home, ow... |
| 22:23.49 | chuck__ | jelly-home, i was able to get it to build (finally) lol |
| 22:23.52 | chuck__ | what errors are you getting? |
| 22:24.12 | gravity | boost is terrifying |
| 22:24.32 | jelly-home | chuck__: missing RANLIB was one thing |
| 22:25.18 | jelly-home | chuck__: ok, it builds now after redoing aclocal && automake && autoconf (I'm not sure what's the correct way to do this ;-) |
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| 22:25.28 | chuck__ | lol |
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| 22:26.27 | eagle-101 | heh :) well enjoy it if you care about the subject, my ideal is to write a decent C++ client library. :) |
| 22:26.34 | eagle-101 | and thanks for trying |
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| 22:26.58 | jelly-home | if you're the author, I suggest adding those to docs |
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| 22:28.12 | pumpkin0 | what is the minimum recommanded RAM for etch ? (XFCE) ? |
| 22:28.41 | jamesd_ | i don't think they make dimms that small any more ;-) |
| 22:28.48 | jelly-home | eagle-101: someone is going to make a package out of it eventually, and those seem to be the build dependencies (though, it shouldn't be necessary to have to remake configure once you have a release tarball) |
| 22:28.55 | rdorsch | I replaced a etch cups server by a lenny cups server. Now my client cannot access the server anymore (access denied). |
| 22:29.23 | rdorsch | I though I find the reason in /var/log/cups/*, but there is not a single entry for this request. |
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| 22:29.35 | rdorsch | I have no firewall on the cups server. |
| 22:29.43 | hgraey | pumpkin0, it's in the install docs. |
| 22:29.49 | rdorsch | Has anybody an idea what else I could check? |
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| 22:30.22 | pumpkin0 | hgraey: OK, i'm running etch on this PC. somewhere in /usr/share/doc ? |
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| 22:30.46 | pumpkin0 | jamesd_: but they did sell 32MB "High-End" Laptops ... |
| 22:30.48 | jelly-home | pumpkin0: I'd recommend 256-512MB. Been running xfce on 128MB and more, but if you need something really lightweight I'd suggest against xfce. Just use a window manager (like fluxbox or something) |
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| 22:30.51 | rewtah | any way to add new mouse exagerrations to KDE? |
| 22:30.58 | hgraey | probably, i read it on the web docu today |
| 22:31.07 | pumpkin0 | jelly-home: OK, so ... sarge ? |
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| 22:31.23 | Guerin | pumpkin0: no, run etch. |
| 22:31.32 | Guerin | there's no good reason to run sarge in 2007 |
| 22:31.39 | jelly-home | '08 |
| 22:31.44 | cinex | hahaha |
| 22:31.46 | hgraey | ;) |
| 22:31.58 | cinex | Guerin: I bet you feel silly now! |
| 22:31.58 | Guerin | eh |
| 22:32.08 | pumpkin0 | Oh, well. let's just try it. |
| 22:32.09 | Guerin | no more silly than I did before |
| 22:32.24 | hgraey | maybe he's got the time is running backwards bug from ubuntu-xen... |
| 22:32.31 | Guerin | hah |
| 22:32.32 | jelly-home | meh, I make the same mistake in February too |
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| 22:33.10 | jamesd_ | pumpkin0, i have owned 8MB desktops... but currently i can't find a reason to poweron a box with less than 256MB and even that is nearly 5 years old and a laptop... my 4 main current home boxes have a total of 14GB of ram. |
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| 22:35.09 | pumpkin0 | jamesd_: it's not my laptop. the person cannot afford a newer model (he knows about the asus EEE). Maybe if it dies during the install ... |
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| 22:35.48 | jelly-home | pumpkin0: how much RAM do you actually have? |
| 22:36.00 | pumpkin0 | 32MB, 233MHz PII. |
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| 22:36.11 | abrotman | i'd probably use icewm |
| 22:36.13 | pumpkin0 | i'm running 2GB PM 1.6Hz... |
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| 22:36.35 | jelly-home | pumpkin0: sarge with 2.4 kernel might be advisable indeed |
| 22:36.42 | abrotman | etch with 2.6! |
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| 22:36.48 | pumpkin0 | icewm sounds good. |
| 22:36.51 | jelly-home | abrotman: there goes 5MB or so |
| 22:37.02 | jelly-home | just for the kernel |
| 22:37.05 | abrotman | jelly-home: X takes the other 27 :) |
| 22:37.22 | jelly-home | xfree86 3 ftw ;-) |
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| 22:37.30 | abrotman | oh .. that's a good point |
| 22:37.34 | abrotman | pumpkin0: which video card? |
| 22:37.44 | jelly-home | but that would have to be woody or earlier, I guess |
| 22:37.49 | itchi | How do i create a floppy image file? It should be not bootable |
| 22:37.53 | eagle-101 | jelly-home, mmm alright, I'm new to this whole releasing stuff.. at this point I'm working on the code and letting folks who ask get the source and try to compile :) |
| 22:38.12 | abrotman | jelly-home: sarge has XF4 .. |
| 22:38.21 | pumpkin0 | something from intel. But i'm not sure, the netinstall-iso does not boot... |
| 22:38.32 | abrotman | does it boot in another machine ? |
| 22:38.34 | itchi | I need to create a floppy image so that i can mount it and put some stuff on it |
| 22:38.35 | abrotman | check the bios |
| 22:38.44 | pumpkin0 | what about svncviewer ? More or less RAM then xorg ? |
| 22:39.20 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: broken CD, burning a new one. |
| 22:40.07 | jelly-home | pumpkin0: oh, one thing: whatever you install, if it's debian install it by putting the disk into a different machine, one with more memory. Running dpkg with 32MB is possible, but a DOG. |
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| 22:41.05 | abrotman | jelly-home: three legged dog :) |
| 22:41.08 | pumpkin0 | jelly-home: well, i need my box and have time. |
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| 22:41.15 | Tramp | itchi: use dd to make an empty file with 1440k, mount on loop, make a fs on it an copy stuff |
| 22:41.24 | hgraey | jelly-home: snob :P |
| 22:41.25 | itchi | Tramp: Thanks gona try that |
| 22:41.34 | hgraey | 64 was a lot those days |
| 22:41.45 | jelly-home | hgraey: this was in 2004 |
| 22:41.53 | hgraey | oh ;) |
| 22:42.09 | strav | there's been an update on the sysVinit system and since then, usplash has to be removed. anyone knows why? |
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| 22:44.17 | pumpkin0 | thanks a lot everyone. I'm back in 6-12 hours, depending on how long this thing installs... |
| 22:44.44 | hgraey | hahaha |
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| 22:45.19 | hgraey | maybe you can mount a usb stick as swap |
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| 22:46.18 | pumpkin0 | well, it is uncompressing the kernel right now. Since 15 sec... and counting. oh f**k. |
| 22:46.19 | jamesd_ | jelly, how did you get 64MB in a 486... i thought they maxed out at 32MB. |
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| 22:46.37 | itchi | Tramp: I have create the floppy image file with: dd if=/dev/null of="floppy_disk.img" bs=1440k and i now try to mount it with mount -t vfat /tmp/floppy_disk.img /mnt/floppy_img/ -o loop But he still complain that it's not a valid fs |
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| 22:46.58 | abrotman | jamesd_: not at all .. some went to 128MB that i've seen |
| 22:47.00 | hgraey | jamesd_, dx4 could go up to 128 i think |
| 22:47.03 | jelly-home | jamesd_: it was a very nice motherboard with PCI and stuff |
| 22:47.26 | hgraey | but by then pentium was out |
| 22:47.41 | Guerin | itchi: you did put a filesystem on it, right? |
| 22:47.52 | itchi | Guerin: Well, not yet. Should i not first mount that? |
| 22:48.02 | itchi | Guerin: I planned to do it right now, after the mount |
| 22:48.03 | Tramp | itchi: losetup -f <your file>, then mkfs on the loop device |
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| 22:48.13 | Guerin | itchi: read the error. |
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| 22:50.16 | Tramp | itchi: sorry, "mount on loop" in my first instruction was a bit tight/misleading. |
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| 22:51.11 | Tramp | itchi: dd, losetup, mkfs, mount, use |
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| 22:52.20 | CalJohn | I have a custom kernel installed (via make-kpkg), and I want to install a couple of new modules. I've altered the /usr/src/.config, now do I just run 'make-kpkg modules'? |
| 22:52.23 | itchi | Tramp: I did that losetup, but still not able to mount that image. A bit logic as there is not yet an image |
| 22:52.31 | itchi | s/image/fs/ |
| 22:52.43 | Tramp | itchi: mkfs on the /dev/loop? |
| 22:52.50 | wols | CalJohn: run the full one again and reinstall imho |
| 22:53.11 | CalJohn | wols: I have to reinstall the whole kernel...:/ |
| 22:53.35 | itchi | Tramp: I need to install that dosfstools |
| 22:53.36 | CalJohn | wols: is it not possible just to add a couple of modules, as if I was doing this the typical linux way? |
| 22:54.12 | Tramp | itchi: just make an ext2fs - or does it have to be FAT? |
| 22:54.15 | wols | CalJohn: possible is a lot, but desireable? |
| 22:54.18 | hgraey | network manager applet question: is that supposed to show an active wired connection? i've had some trouble swapping eth0/1 by udev rules (new eth0 for some reason kept defaulting to a dhcp ip - from xen i think) and getting "no network connection" on the applet now |
| 22:54.27 | CalJohn | wols: why is it not desirable? |
| 22:55.06 | itchi | Tramp: It's just to put the preceed.cfg file on it. Just to test the automated debian install, now trying to take the preceed.cfg of a floppy |
| 22:56.04 | Tramp | itchi: although I don't know what all this is, it sounds as if you don't need a FAT-fs on the floppy - but do whatever pleases you 8) |
| 22:57.04 | itchi | Tramp: I always used fat on floppy's :-s |
| 22:57.46 | Tramp | itchi: well. ext2 works fine - just not with certain OSs. |
| 22:57.58 | itchi | Tramp: Ok, gona make it ext2 then |
| 22:58.44 | hgraey | fat is ok on floppies, about every os can read that even booted from floppy itself |
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| 23:00.46 | y | how to tell size of directory? |
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| 23:00.58 | DustyBin | du |
| 23:01.30 | Orion_X11 | How do I install a broadcom wireless card on debian? |
| 23:01.58 | abrotman | !bcm43xx |
| 23:01.59 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. |
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| 23:02.11 | abrotman | Orion_X11: as long as you keep asking .. i'm going to keep doing that |
| 23:02.17 | itchi | y: You want to summaries the directory or use "." ie. du -sh /tmp or even du -sh . See also ncdu if you're on testing |
| 23:02.30 | itchi | s/or// |
| 23:02.33 | hhhs | hey, i want to run debian 64bit i have a Xeon IA64 what arch should i use? |
| 23:02.40 | y | itchi - awesome. |
| 23:02.45 | wols | hhhs: you are mistaken |
| 23:02.56 | wols | there is no Xeon IA64. does not exist |
| 23:02.57 | hhhs | wols, nope just stupid |
| 23:02.59 | hgraey | hey, and here i thought it was a deja-vu. gotta flush cache with a drink |
| 23:03.05 | hhhs | wols, how so? |
| 23:03.10 | wols | hhhs: do you have a Xeon or Itanium? |
| 23:03.17 | hhhs | xeon |
| 23:03.26 | wols | then you want the AMD64 one |
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| 23:03.49 | hhhs | wols, what is IA64bit then? |
| 23:03.53 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 23:03.53 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 23:03.55 | wols | Itanium |
| 23:04.10 | DustyBin | intel copied AMDs 64-bit architecture, thats why its called AMD64 |
| 23:04.42 | Orion_X11 | How do I find with is my wireless card? |
| 23:04.48 | Orion_X11 | ifconfig? |
| 23:04.55 | DustyBin | iwconfig? |
| 23:05.01 | wols | Orion_X11: lspci usually |
| 23:05.13 | wols | if I can decipher your broken question correctly |
| 23:05.21 | hgraey | or read the label :) |
| 23:05.27 | jelly-home | !whats my hardware |
| 23:05.27 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 23:05.50 | DustyBin | oooh, shiny! o_0 |
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| 23:06.04 | y | wow. Can a tar of a directory be of lesser size than the original directory? |
| 23:06.17 | y | I tar'd a 207G directory and its 206GB according to DU |
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| 23:06.52 | abrotman | y: yes |
| 23:06.56 | DustyBin | tar doesnt compress but it puts everything together so that might use less space? |
| 23:07.06 | hgraey | you get a monolithic file instead of wasting space on small files |
| 23:07.19 | y | so I need not fear? I got no errors besides socket missing errors on some files. |
| 23:07.26 | y | what were those, do you suppose?? |
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| 23:07.40 | wols | DustyBin: smallest allocation unit is usually 1kB. what happens if a file is <1024bytes in size? |
| 23:07.51 | DustyBin | aye ok |
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| 23:08.38 | DustyBin | wols: if the file is <1024bytes it will be registered as 1kb |
| 23:08.59 | y | if Gzip fails, will I lose data? It seems like it because it replaces the file. |
| 23:09.39 | DustyBin | y: im sure you can run some -vtests before you do the actual compress? |
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| 23:10.36 | y | maybe I can just gzip -c > new.gzip? |
| 23:10.41 | y | so the original is unaffected? |
| 23:10.46 | hgraey | maybe ;) |
| 23:10.48 | cizzi | is it possible to change the default www-data user than php code uses to another user ? |
| 23:10.50 | y | haha. |
| 23:10.59 | y | cizzi -- bad idea. apache won't be able to do anything if you do that. |
| 23:11.01 | DustyBin | y: i think you need to use the maximum compression level to get the best results? |
| 23:11.03 | y | unless permissions are 777 |
| 23:11.05 | cizzi | oh ok |
| 23:11.09 | abrotman | cizzi: yes you can |
| 23:11.10 | y | DustyBin huh? |
| 23:11.12 | cizzi | cause i found the problem of a command not running |
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| 23:11.17 | y | hgraey ? maybe ? =) |
| 23:11.25 | cizzi | i did su www-data and ran it and it says cannot.... |
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| 23:11.28 | abrotman | cizzi: you mean the user that apache runs as |
| 23:11.29 | cizzi | but it runs fine under my user |
| 23:11.38 | cizzi | oh |
| 23:11.38 | DustyBin | y: -9, --best compress better |
| 23:11.48 | cizzi | so i can change apache's user to mine? |
| 23:11.50 | y | DustyBin what does that have to do with what I'm asking? |
| 23:11.57 | abrotman | cizzi: don't do that .. what doesn't run ? |
| 23:11.59 | y | cizzi - why? why not just add yourself to the apache user group? |
| 23:12.01 | DustyBin | o_0 |
| 23:12.02 | cizzi | a simple command |
| 23:12.04 | cizzi | hddtemp |
| 23:12.09 | cizzi | displays hdd temperature on console |
| 23:12.12 | cizzi | i want it on html |
| 23:12.16 | abrotman | cizzi: how are you calling it in PHP ? |
| 23:12.21 | cizzi | i'll show you |
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| 23:12.25 | abrotman | please do! |
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| 23:12.57 | hgraey | that's a decent pickup line. original. |
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| 23:13.03 | wols | abrotman: proc_open? |
| 23:13.12 | abrotman | wols: system() ? |
| 23:13.19 | cizzi | http://debian.pastebin.com/m7e0d2468 |
| 23:13.38 | wols | abrotman: can you get the output of the system() command? |
| 23:13.41 | abrotman | cizzi: and the output is ? |
| 23:13.45 | abrotman | wols: i think so |
| 23:13.46 | y | How long does anyone suppose the md5sum command on a 200GB file will take? |
| 23:13.50 | Ryan52 | If I wanted to start rtorrent in a screen when the computer boots what would I want to put in the /etc/rc2.d/S99rtorrent? I tried "su ryan52 screen -md rtorrent" but then when I run "screen -r" theres a shell/ |
| 23:13.56 | abrotman | y: about 28 hours |
| 23:14.03 | y | abrotman =( oh no. |
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| 23:14.07 | y | there must be a better way. |
| 23:14.10 | abrotman | Ryan52: su - |
| 23:14.13 | DustyBin | y: run a test on a 1 gig file then x200 |
| 23:14.15 | cizzi | blank web page |
| 23:14.16 | abrotman | y: depends on the speed of the machine |
| 23:14.23 | y | My machine is the Cray supercomputer. =) |
| 23:14.29 | Ryan52 | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:14.32 | y | Ok, its done. |
| 23:14.34 | wols | abrotman: php.net advocates passthru() and me thinking more about python was thinking of its popen() version :) |
| 23:14.50 | cizzi | if i do ls it works though |
| 23:14.56 | Ryan52 | abrotman: that would not work at all... |
| 23:15.02 | abrotman | cizzi: passthru() says php ? |
| 23:15.09 | abrotman | Ryan52: it wouldn't? |
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| 23:15.10 | cizzi | dont know |
| 23:15.13 | cizzi | whats passthru |
| 23:15.14 | wols | cizzi: where is the php code you wanted to show us? |
| 23:15.18 | cizzi | i pasted it |
| 23:15.19 | Ryan52 | abrotman: that makes a login shell?!?! |
| 23:15.20 | cizzi | http://debian.pastebin.com/m7e0d2468 |
| 23:15.22 | abrotman | Ryan52: you su - <username> -c "command" |
| 23:15.33 | wols | cizzi: nd what about phps error reporting? or your checking? |
| 23:15.37 | abrotman | Ryan52: in this case .. i'd run your command inside screen |
| 23:15.39 | Ryan52 | abrotman: ohhh....I understand. Thanks |
| 23:15.46 | cizzi | well nothing on the screen its blank |
| 23:15.51 | cizzi | and if su www-data |
| 23:15.51 | cizzi | and run it |
| 23:15.53 | cizzi | it fails |
| 23:15.57 | cizzi | cant run under that user |
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| 23:16.04 | cizzi | but runs under mine |
| 23:16.25 | wols | cizzi: "Note: This function is disabled in safe mode. " |
| 23:16.31 | wols | cizzi: read more docs |
| 23:16.31 | cizzi | in the man? |
| 23:16.32 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:16.53 | wols | cizzi: php.net/manual |
| 23:17.09 | wols | cizzi: and for gosh's sake turn on error reporting |
| 23:17.33 | Ryan52 | abrotman: "screen -r" still gives me a shell. I want rtorrent to be there enstead of the shell. |
| 23:17.38 | wols | cizzi: use system, passthru or proc_open |
| 23:17.48 | itchi | Tramp: How do i create a file image with a certain file size? I got a message when creating the fs that the size is wrong |
| 23:18.01 | cizzi | ok thanks wols |
| 23:18.05 | abrotman | Ryan52: keep reading the man page for screen .. it tells you how to name it .. and run a certain application |
| 23:18.14 | hgraey | talking about php errors: is anyone here running selinux targeted/strict enforcing? |
| 23:18.18 | abrotman | cizzi: or ask ##php :) |
| 23:18.31 | cizzi | i did |
| 23:18.33 | cizzi | they didnt answer |
| 23:18.35 | cizzi | so i came here |
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| 23:19.02 | hgraey | i've had a bit of fun with SEL on centos and fedora, and i'm pondering whether it's worth it for service-less xen0 |
| 23:19.18 | wols | cizzi: what error did you get running hddtemp as user www-data? |
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| 23:20.42 | cizzi | wols - couldnt open something |
| 23:20.44 | cizzi | forgot |
| 23:20.47 | abrotman | that's important! |
| 23:21.32 | cizzi | still dont work |
| 23:21.35 | cizzi | let me give you the error |
| 23:21.38 | cizzi | i tried with system() |
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| 23:21.57 | cizzi | sh-3.1$ /usr/sbin/hddtemp /dev/hde |
| 23:22.12 | cizzi | er |
| 23:22.15 | cizzi | doesnt paste the error |
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| 23:22.27 | cizzi | .../dev/hde: open: Permission denied |
| 23:22.30 | cizzi | there we go |
| 23:22.36 | cizzi | can't open a device? |
| 23:22.51 | wols | cizzi: ls -al /usr/sbin/hddtemp |
| 23:23.08 | cizzi | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26672 2007-01-18 19:08 /usr/sbin/hddtemp |
| 23:23.21 | abrotman | ls -l /dev/hde |
| 23:23.23 | jelly-home | that doesn't look good |
| 23:23.35 | wols | what did you do with your debian cizzi ? |
| 23:23.37 | cizzi | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 33, 0 2008-01-01 13:40 /dev/hde |
| 23:23.37 | wols | you broke it |
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| 23:23.46 | cizzi | i need |
| 23:23.51 | abrotman | you changed it |
| 23:23.52 | wols | you broke it |
| 23:23.52 | cizzi | +r on dev? |
| 23:23.54 | abrotman | you've done it now |
| 23:23.57 | abrotman | you broked it |
| 23:24.02 | abrotman | you'll be sorry! |
| 23:24.07 | abrotman | i'll get you and your little dog |
| 23:24.10 | abrotman | cry |
| 23:24.21 | hgraey | no, +x |
| 23:24.26 | cizzi | i made hddtemp +rwx on purpose for o |
| 23:24.28 | wols | cizzi: dpkg-reconfigure hddtemp and read carefully |
| 23:24.32 | cizzi | allright |
| 23:24.34 | hgraey | err, nvm that |
| 23:24.49 | hgraey | i thought you were talking about your hddtemp |
| 23:25.03 | simonrvn | 777 doesn't fixe anything... |
| 23:25.06 | jelly-home | cizzi: having executables writable by others isn't advisable |
| 23:25.11 | simonrvn | s,fixe,fix, |
| 23:25.21 | cizzi | its for testing purposes |
| 23:25.23 | cizzi | i'm debugging |
| 23:25.24 | jelly-home | you fixe your fix |
| 23:25.32 | wols | as for what you dd with the hddtemp thing: it's simply evil. don't do it or abrotman will handle you like he handles cheesesteaks |
| 23:25.45 | simonrvn | that's just plain stupid move |
| 23:25.46 | simonrvn | to test for what |
| 23:25.47 | cizzi | excuse me? |
| 23:25.49 | jelly-home | cizzstakes? |
| 23:25.50 | wols | cizzi: that's not debugging that's having no clue and brekaing the OS |
| 23:26.04 | simonrvn | ? how fast you get rooted? |
| 23:26.05 | abrotman | !unix lessons |
| 23:26.05 | dpkg | i guess unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 23:26.11 | abrotman | see #1 ? |
| 23:26.16 | abrotman | that's NUMBER ONE! |
| 23:26.21 | abrotman | NUMERO UNO! |
| 23:26.24 | itchi | Tramp: If i'm correct dd if=/dev/zero of="floppy_disk.img" count=1024 bs=1440 did the trick and creating a fs on it don't complain now |
| 23:26.28 | Tramp | itchi: huh? recreate the file with dd. Use /dev/zero as input. Check the zize |
| 23:26.30 | Tramp | ah |
| 23:26.43 | wols | itchi: that makes a 1,44GB sized file |
| 23:26.49 | itchi | Tramp: Well, no |
| 23:26.55 | wols | erm, 1,44MB of course |
| 23:26.56 | simonrvn | fucking lagging like hell |
| 23:27.05 | itchi | Yup 1,44MB |
| 23:27.25 | Tramp | itchi: It was, because you used /dev/null in the first place - and didn't check what actually happened |
| 23:27.45 | itchi | Tramp: The size was leaved 0 |
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| 23:28.01 | simonrvn | 'left' |
| 23:28.02 | itchi | Tramp: Yeah, i used /dev/null at first place too |
| 23:28.27 | Tramp | itchi: yeah. That's what I sait. I thought it was obvious to use /dev/zero. |
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| 23:28.47 | jacekowski | is there nopaste like script in debian repository? |
| 23:29.35 | edistar | jacekowski: yes, something like wgetpaste or so |
| 23:30.05 | nvz | ok I half setup a bridge and its not working and wont let me take it down now says interface not configured doing ifdown on br0 eth0 or eth3, and brctl delbr br0 says that the bridge is still up and it can't delete it.. advice? |
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| 23:30.19 | nvz | eth0 is getting an ip from dhclient but its not getting online |
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| 23:30.33 | abrotman | br0 ? |
| 23:30.52 | itchi | Tramp: Cooool, all done now :-) Thanks |
| 23:30.55 | nvz | the bridge interface |
| 23:30.56 | itchi | Thanks all! |
| 23:31.10 | hgraey | ifconfig down |
| 23:31.15 | cizzi | i got it |
| 23:31.17 | cizzi | steak this!!!! |
| 23:31.30 | cizzi | thanks guys |
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| 23:31.39 | cizzi | i made it run as a deamon |
| 23:31.46 | cizzi | then i telnet to cat its value |
| 23:31.46 | nvz | hgraey: sorry thats invalid I mentioned no interface named down |
| 23:32.07 | hgraey | can you guess the right syntax? ;) |
| 23:32.15 | itchi | Now i need to figure out how i can feed my preceed.cfg of my floppy to the installer :-s |
| 23:32.24 | wols | nvz: ifconfig <if> down ? |
| 23:32.27 | nvz | hgraey: you didn't read what I said I did that already on all 3 interfaces |
| 23:32.32 | nvz | wols: you didn't either |
| 23:32.42 | hgraey | nvz, you did ifdown |
| 23:32.46 | jelly-home | nvz: you have to delif all the devices in the bridge before delbr-ing it |
| 23:32.58 | wols | nvz: you didn't use your brain either. I guess we're even |
| 23:32.59 | nvz | jelly-home: thanks, I'll try that |
| 23:33.03 | nvz | wols: hah |
| 23:33.07 | nvz | wols: touche |
| 23:33.50 | Nippoo | FUCK! Kernel panic... |
| 23:33.59 | Nippoo | ... while I'm 2000 miles away from the server. |
| 23:34.01 | Nippoo | *sniffle* |
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| 23:34.36 | jelly-home | nvz: you do know bridge-utils provide funkeh /e/n/interfaces helpers? |
| 23:34.39 | hgraey | that will teach you to hardwire a cell phone buzzer to the reset switch ^^ |
| 23:35.03 | dvs | it's a kernel db! ;-) |
| 23:35.05 | nvz | ok well the bridge still refuses to delete but I don't care removing eth0 from the bridge allowed me to dhclient and get on the network for now |
| 23:35.05 | jelly-home | or to use hardware with light-out management |
| 23:35.12 | Nippoo | hgraey: nice idea ;-) |
| 23:35.17 | nvz | I'll fix the bridge as soon as I get a crossover |
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| 23:35.48 | cromag | dpkg: DK |
| 23:35.48 | dpkg | somebody said dk was Hvis du vil tale dansk og få hjælp til debian, skriv /join #linux.dk in your irc client, also the country Denmark |
| 23:35.48 | Nippoo | hgraey: but what happens if someone dials the wrong number? =) |
| 23:35.53 | gan|y|med | hi and happy new year |
| 23:36.02 | jelly-home | nvz: can I sell you my br0? |
| 23:36.15 | gan|y|med | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.38 | wols | gan|y|med: #ubuntu |
| 23:36.41 | simonrvn | so go to #ubuntu like the other ubuntu-using people |
| 23:36.46 | hgraey | Nippoo, you could use a smarphone or an asterisk. of course if either of those crash... :p |
| 23:36.47 | nvz | jelly-home: hah, no the only problem with my bridge is I didn't have the shit to set it up and it broke my existing network config |
| 23:36.57 | hgraey | smartphone rather |
| 23:37.21 | gan|y|med | you don't even know which machine this question is meant for. but yes, i welcome you, too |
| 23:37.39 | simonrvn | so go to #ubuntu like the other ubuntu-using people |
| 23:37.43 | abrotman | you only mentioned gutsy .. wtf |
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| 23:38.30 | nvz | I got another unrelated question though. I was here the other night and ssh'ing from this debian box to mine at home and at some point I detached this screen session that had been running for 24 days then tried to reattach it and it kept refusing siting some invalid terminal or something of the sort "screen.linux" what would I do if that happens? I tried resetting the term type |
| 23:39.07 | gan|y|med | sorry about the gutsy, it happens on both, my gutsy and my etch (both ati cards) |
| 23:39.16 | edistar | gan|y|med: sure |
| 23:39.43 | gan|y|med | whatever |
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| 23:39.54 | edistar | gan|y|med: what does your uname -a say? |
| 23:40.12 | Joelito | Seems that debian repos have filezilla 3.0.0-beta...How can I updated to the current 3.0.4? |
| 23:40.24 | hgraey | gan|y|med, don't use compiz without dri/fglrx running? |
| 23:41.00 | gan|y|med | no compiz. too slow even with fglrx. just the x.org ati driver. |
| 23:41.04 | wols | Joelito: you wait until it's packaged or compile it yourself |
| 23:41.36 | gan|y|med | edistar: what do u wanna know of my uname -a? it is a custom kernle though (compiled the debian way) |
| 23:42.59 | Joelito | wols: Ok. |
| 23:43.27 | Joelito | thanks, laters. |
| 23:43.27 | abrotman | gan|y|med: which card? |
| 23:43.32 | hgraey | my guess: if something graphical eats cpu, it's trying to use direct rendering of some sort. x hasn't eaten my cpu by itself even on the crappiest of crap cards so far |
| 23:43.42 | abrotman | Joelito: are you sure debian is the distro for you ? |
| 23:43.52 | gan|y|med | abrotman: x700 |
| 23:45.11 | streuner_ | abrotman: he just left... :-P |
| 23:45.27 | abrotman | who did ? |
| 23:45.30 | abrotman | oh oh well |
| 23:46.02 | Nippoo | gan|y|med: I find it funny that you posted the exact same question in #ubuntu before coming here ;-)... at least have the decency to change the distro name to try and pretend that you're not running 'buntu ;D |
| 23:46.29 | streuner_ | abrotman: btw, he just ask(ed) in OFTC... |
| 23:46.50 | abrotman | asshat |
| 23:46.59 | dvs | abrotman: bless you |
| 23:47.02 | dvs | ;-) |
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| 23:48.06 | gan|y|med | ok, watch. i got two pcs and i am sitting in front of one of them. i have encountered the same problem (probably because i have ati cards with radeon chips in both of them (and i regret that choice)) when i wanted to revert back to the x.org ati driver. i always end up wasting 30 % cpu usage |
| 23:49.00 | hgraey | you probably still have options that the ati-config program (whatever it's called) wrote to your xorg.conf |
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| 23:51.16 | gan|y|med | hgraey: i did dpkg-reconfigure. i looked at it, it is as fresh as it was right after the install. and i did not edit so far |
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| 23:51.44 | hgraey | since problem solving seems to be a distributed task for you, maybe the guys in #ubuntu are willing to tell what to strip ;o |
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| 23:53.44 | itchi | I have put the preseed.cfg file on a floppy and try to start the automated install with install vga=791 auto file=/dev/fd0/preseed.cfg But it dont find the preseed file. I can't figure out what i do wrong |
| 23:53.51 | Superbartt | ok... i give up :x |
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| 23:54.08 | Superbartt | why does my server KEEPS neogiating to 10 Mb half duplex :\ |
| 23:54.21 | Superbartt | even with mii-tool -F 100baseT4 it still keeps going to 10Mb HD |
| 23:54.25 | hhhs | i have a P4 dualcore box is there advantage using 64bit on it? |
| 23:54.36 | edistar | Superbartt: cabling? |
| 23:54.39 | abrotman | hhhs: depends on the purpose of the box |
| 23:54.49 | Superbartt | no did fine before edistar, it's a dedicated box |
| 23:54.56 | hgraey | or the other box |
| 23:54.57 | hhhs | abrotman, webserver with php |
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| 23:55.00 | Superbartt | so i haven't changed anything on the cabling or switches |
| 23:55.10 | abrotman | hhhs: it won't hurt .. most likely |
| 23:55.20 | gan|y|med | hgraey: oh man, i am just trying to solve something that cannot just be resolved by entered a specific sequence of characters in google's marvelous search engine. if you don't want to help me, it's fine. |
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| 23:56.20 | edistar | hhhs: not on the desktop really |
| 23:56.22 | kgoetz | gan|y|med: why cant it be solved that way? |
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| 23:57.38 | Superbartt | Jan 2 00:50:07 ipx14294 kernel: e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 10 Mbps Half Duplex |
| 23:57.39 | Superbartt | Jan 2 00:50:07 ipx14294 kernel: e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: 10/100 speed: disabling TSO |
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| 23:58.03 | hgraey | gan|y|med, if you don't know what to look for... may the brute force be with you |
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