| 00:00.32 | iPwn3d | zamuro can you help me? i've been trying all day to compile the kernel in ubuntu but i cant see how to do it, the VIsual Estudio doesnt recognize it. is there an update or something that i need? |
| 00:00.52 | slidesinger | Re; DNS server. Could be the problem lies somehwere other than the BIND config files, I'm getting a time out message. I've got both the internal and loopback ips in /etc/resolv.conf yet it can't find any servers. What am I missing? |
| 00:00.55 | zamuro | hahahahahahahahaha |
| 00:01.14 | zamuro | Gee... How can I answer to that? |
| 00:01.31 | iPwn3d | ohh so zamuro you are one of those elitist pigs ? |
| 00:01.50 | zamuro | Oh... No. I'm a Bolivarian REvolutionary from Venezuela |
| 00:01.52 | iPwn3d | so you are planing how to teachme and let me know at the same time that i should return my dell to the store? |
| 00:02.13 | iPwn3d | kk, i was specting to talk to people not to CHavistas de mierda |
| 00:02.25 | slidesinger | Sorry, that should read external and loopback ips. |
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| 00:02.36 | zamuro | Chavista ain't people... |
| 00:02.49 | dondelelcaro | slidesinger: the settings in resolv.conf don't really have much to do with whether dig @localhost foodomain.tld; works |
| 00:02.59 | iPwn3d | well the chavista de mierda of dvst just got in so im out. |
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| 00:03.12 | dondelelcaro | slidesinger: if you're lost, use a paste site to put up your bind configuration |
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| 00:03.29 | dvst | ? |
| 00:03.38 | zamuro | LOL |
| 00:03.50 | zamuro | dvst: He's just kidding. |
| 00:05.07 | thor | heh there is no many people @ debian.pl :/ i will try in english, but please dont laugh ;) |
| 00:05.49 | zamuro | Most of us ain't native english speakers... so it's ok. |
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| 00:07.04 | thor | i am trying to write a script in tcsh |
| 00:07.29 | dondelelcaro | dare we ask why? |
| 00:07.35 | zamuro | lol |
| 00:07.42 | thor | yeah |
| 00:07.55 | thor | i know it can by funny but im a beginner ;P |
| 00:08.05 | zamuro | dondelelcaro: maybe he doesn't know any better |
| 00:08.17 | zamuro | See? there is |
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| 00:08.44 | dondelelcaro | thor: oh, it's fine to be a beginner, but writing in bash or similar would probably more portable, unless you really like tcsh. |
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| 00:09.16 | thor | i am afraid it is not my choice |
| 00:09.49 | dondelelcaro | heh. it's always your choice, but continue. |
| 00:10.47 | thor | its a 'project' on my clases (?) i mean lesson or something :) |
| 00:11.23 | thor | anyway, if i made a script he will run in new shell, yes ? |
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| 00:12.41 | thor | afair script makes some kind of new copy of shell and run in it ? |
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| 00:14.28 | thor | and my question is how to make that the changes (makes by the script) takes effect on this shell in which i run this script ? |
| 00:14.42 | amphi | thor: unless you source the script, in which case it runs in the current shel |
| 00:14.44 | amphi | l |
| 00:15.52 | huhlig | hey, is there something special I have to do to boot a debian cd from a mac |
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| 00:16.00 | huhlig | besides have a ppc cd |
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| 00:18.23 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: depends on the macintosh |
| 00:18.36 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: generally just holding down c will do |
| 00:18.50 | huhlig | hmm |
| 00:18.52 | huhlig | odd |
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| 00:18.56 | huhlig | I have an imac 600 |
| 00:18.58 | huhlig | summer 2001 |
| 00:19.02 | huhlig | just tossed a new HD in |
| 00:19.13 | huhlig | downloaded and burnt a debian ppc cd and tried that |
| 00:19.34 | tuvwx | i can't get compiz to work on my amd64 machine using nvidia with two X screens. is it known to work (or not) with this particular configuration? |
| 00:20.34 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: the imacs should just boot; what did it do? |
| 00:20.38 | tuvwx | i'm using gnome. 'compiz --replace' loses window decoration and 'gtk-window-decorator --replace' just hangs there without returning or doing any thing |
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| 00:21.09 | huhlig | just flashes a folder with a ? |
| 00:21.10 | Jyzygzel- | im trying to do ./configure |
| 00:21.11 | Jyzygzel- | http://pastebin.com/d3568e1f8 |
| 00:21.14 | Jyzygzel- | thats what i get |
| 00:21.16 | huhlig | im assuming meaning no system folder found |
| 00:21.17 | Jyzygzel- | what do i need |
| 00:21.30 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: and you're holding down c? |
| 00:21.50 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: possible that the CD is bad, but it should generally "just work" |
| 00:21.57 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:22.04 | huhlig | no problems with the ISO being burnt from a pc |
| 00:22.11 | Jyzygzel- | checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no checking for readline in -lreadline... no checking for gzdopen in -lz... no |
| 00:22.14 | huhlig | I know that seems to be an issue with backup macos cds |
| 00:22.14 | Jyzygzel- | what are those |
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| 00:25.14 | huhlig | hard drives in Macs are normally master, CDs are slave right |
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| 00:26.14 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: or they're on entirely different ide controllers, yes. |
| 00:26.33 | dondelelcaro | but you shouldn't need to set either of them; cable select should do the work. |
| 00:26.33 | huhlig | hmmm |
| 00:26.39 | tuvwx | did anyone ever get compiz to work with gnome over a two X screens setup using nvidia? |
| 00:27.01 | huhlig | hey dondelelcaro anyway to verify a CD after its been burnt to the origional MD5 hash? |
| 00:27.29 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: not really |
| 00:28.12 | huhlig | hmm |
| 00:30.14 | slidesinger | dondelelcaro: posted on http://paste.debian.net/42017 |
| 00:31.11 | dondelelcaro | slidesinger: uh... you have no idealclothing.net A records |
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| 00:32.32 | dondelelcaro | slidesinger: and it should be localhost IN A ... ideal-clothing IN A ...; |
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| 00:32.44 | thrashyy | When you type "free" to display the ammount of mem in use/free what is it displayed in? bytes? |
| 00:33.20 | dondelelcaro | thrashyy: man free |
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| 00:34.51 | slidesinger | dondelelcaro: If I understand you correctly, then I should have three lines: localhost IN A, idealclothing.net IN A, and ideal-clothing IN A |
| 00:35.09 | slidesinger | In that order |
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| 00:36.27 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, stupid question |
| 00:36.34 | huhlig | how do I eject the CD without the OS |
| 00:36.49 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: press the eject button; generally in the uper right of the keyboard |
| 00:36.59 | thrashyy | ok dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 00:37.01 | dondelelcaro | slidesinger: idealclosthing.net. <-- note the period |
| 00:37.12 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, when booting? |
| 00:37.24 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: when it's on. |
| 00:37.40 | huhlig | hmm |
| 00:37.41 | dondelelcaro | thrashyy: so, k by default, but it can do b, m or g. |
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| 00:38.01 | thrashyy | is there any way I can display how much ram each process is using? i checked man but couldnt see anything |
| 00:38.24 | dondelelcaro | thrashyy: that's kind of a hard question to answer |
| 00:39.19 | huhlig | hmm |
| 00:39.23 | dondelelcaro | thrashyy: top can give you a vague idea, and the contents of /proc/<pid>/maps will give you a more exact one. |
| 00:39.24 | huhlig | still wont boot from cd |
| 00:39.38 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: try holding down cd? do any cds boot this machine? |
| 00:40.56 | thrashyy | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
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| 00:41.22 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, dunno |
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| 00:41.27 | huhlig | just got it from a client |
| 00:41.32 | thrashyy | just trying to figure out why my vps is going down every damn night :( |
| 00:41.37 | huhlig | I know it worked before cause I reimaged it not 2 months ago |
| 00:41.41 | huhlig | he wanted to keep the HDD |
| 00:41.52 | huhlig | so I picked it up a cheap 80GB maxtor |
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| 00:42.54 | slidesinger | dondelelcaro: Thanks, that little change fixed it. Now I'll go back and reread all that and see what I missed. |
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| 00:44.02 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: yeah, you could try zapping the pram or booting with cd held down; #debian-ppc may also know better. |
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| 00:46.03 | ShadowPhoenix | apt-get install life :p |
| 00:46.17 | drasko | Hi all. I am trying to compile simple "hello world" module, and I get warning "Module.symvers is missing; modules will have no dependencies and modversions". And after that error for MODPOST: "/bin/sh: scripts/mod/modpost: No such file or directory". Any ideas? |
| 00:46.44 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 00:48.27 | drasko | Hi all. I am trying to compile simple "hello world" module, and I get warning "Module.symvers is missing; modules will have no dependencies and modversions". And after that error for MODPOST: "/bin/sh: scripts/mod/modpost: No such file or directory". Any ideas? |
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| 00:51.47 | mikefoo | how would I disable apache from startup? the rc-update utility confuses me |
| 00:51.49 | mikefoo | anyone know? |
| 00:52.09 | thrashyy | If im not running any cron jobs is it ok to remove cron is does the system need it? |
| 00:52.53 | Sebboh | mikefoo: I don't know about that utility, but if you rename the S00apache (or whatever) files to K00apache (or whatever) apache will never automatically start. |
| 00:52.57 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, just so you know, #debian-ppc is empty save me |
| 00:53.12 | huhlig | ahh |
| 00:53.14 | huhlig | no - |
| 00:53.17 | jelly-home | mikefoo: what rc-update utility? |
| 00:53.20 | Manes | !find rletopnm etch |
| 00:53.39 | mikefoo | update-rc.d |
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| 00:55.06 | wols_ | mikefoo: rcconf |
| 00:55.09 | Sebboh | I think that dpkg knows a factoid about disabling ipv6 and getting rid of that sit0 interface, but, I can't find it. How do I do that? |
| 00:55.10 | wols_ | !rcconf |
| 00:55.10 | dpkg | "rcconf" is, like, a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out "sysv-rc-conf" - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
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| 00:55.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rletopnm' (1): (/usr/bin/rletopnm) in graphics/netpbm. |
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| 00:58.49 | Sebboh | wait, I guess sit0 isn't related to an ipv6 tunnel....? Nevermind about that part. I'd still like to disable ipv6, though. |
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| 01:00.25 | tzafrir_home | hi, I have to connect to a forwarded non-standard ssh port on a box I normally connect to its port 22 |
| 01:01.21 | tzafrir_home | The forwarded port is 10022 . If I connect there I naturally get a nasty warning from ssh about a "man in the middle" |
| 01:02.19 | tzafrir_home | Any way to either make ssh understand that those are two different hosts, or just ignore the key check for some connections? |
| 01:02.34 | tzafrir_home | I have separate entries in ~/.ssh/config for both connections |
| 01:02.59 | tzafrir_home | (client and server are Etch) |
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| 01:07.05 | tzafrir_home | hmmm.... UserKnownHostsFile ~/.ssh/known_host_2 |
| 01:07.12 | tzafrir_home | In the specific entry |
| 01:07.29 | tzafrir_home | Though some would just use: UserKnownHostsFile /dev/null |
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| 01:09.01 | Sebboh | What's the right way to disable a device? Stop the module for it from loading? I've got a 56k modem, a wireless network card, a hardware mpeg encoder, and a firewire card that I really don't need, I'd like to disable them. Particularly the wireless card... |
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| 01:10.09 | simonrvn | usually, yes, if you can't just unplug them ;) |
| 01:10.19 | Sebboh | how do I identify which module each device uses? |
| 01:10.38 | wols_ | !tell Sebboh about blacklist |
| 01:10.44 | live4thehour | I can access the files on my windows ntfs drive as a root user in a terminal. However, under Nautilus I receive this error: "The folder contents could not be displayed. You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "windows"." Please help me fix this. |
| 01:11.02 | wols_ | ntfsrq |
| 01:11.04 | wols_ | !ntfsrw |
| 01:11.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
| 01:11.12 | wols_ | !vfatrw |
| 01:11.13 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
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| 01:11.31 | wols_ | live4thehour: the umake, UID, GID, etc are the same for fat as for notfs |
| 01:11.53 | wols_ | Sebboh: you check what chip the device uses and from there you can see what driver usually |
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| 01:12.01 | wols_ | a quick google helps |
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| 01:12.31 | Sebboh | hmm, module ieee1394... Got that one! :) |
| 01:12.41 | Sebboh | thanks wols |
| 01:12.43 | wols_ | what WLAN chip? |
| 01:12.45 | live4thehour | wols_: thank you |
| 01:13.09 | Sebboh | wols: 03:08.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 01:13.16 | wols_ | madwifi |
| 01:13.18 | BigMc | hi! i have a question about ubuntu. my bottom panel is gone. how can i get it back? |
| 01:13.29 | wols_ | BigMc: we don't support ubuntu. see topic |
| 01:13.44 | Sebboh | BigMc: #ubuntu |
| 01:14.08 | shogunx | wols_ the newer all-free ath5k should support that too. |
| 01:14.14 | BigMc | oh |
| 01:14.24 | BigMc | but its the same isnt it? |
| 01:14.31 | wols_ | !based on debian |
| 01:14.32 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 01:14.36 | wols_ | it is totally not the same |
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| 01:14.58 | epsilon | hi, I have a strange NAT issue here. I have a etch PC playing router and one WinXP PC in NAT. It was working fine since I got new DSL connection and working on interfaces/ppp, since then the XP PC doesn't get NAT'ed anymore after ~30 min. I have to restart the NIC in XP, then all fine again for 30 min... |
| 01:15.17 | epsilon | I hav changed anything NAT related, but still can't locate the issue, any idea anyone? |
| 01:15.24 | wols_ | epsilon: how is this a debian problem? |
| 01:15.56 | wols_ | epsilon: also what do your logs say when the disconnect happens? |
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| 01:16.33 | epsilon | wols_: cause the XP box is connecting to etch router (traceroute), but erch says "destination network not available " (or similar) |
| 01:17.11 | Sebboh | BigMc: the fact of the matter is my computer isn't the same as yours, because I use Debian, and you use ubuntu. This panel on the bottom of your screen.. Uh?? How the heck should I know. I think you're probably using Gnome, if you're on Ubuntu. You might try asking them, but keep in mind that Ubuntu probably .. |
| 01:17.28 | Sebboh | ..customized the config for gnome, so Ubuntu might really be the only people that know. |
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| 01:17.47 | alessio | good eve |
| 01:18.01 | alessio | anyone could help me installing compiz-fusion on debian? |
| 01:18.15 | epsilon | well, nothing in log |
| 01:18.55 | alessio | ? |
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| 01:19.49 | wols_ | epsilon: again: how is this a debian problem if a restart of thw windows side helps while nothing at all is needed for debian? |
| 01:20.04 | wols_ | epsilon: what do you use for NAT? |
| 01:20.32 | epsilon | wols_: cause windows is actually connecting to etch and etch is not playing NAT? |
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| 01:22.00 | BigMc | ok |
| 01:22.05 | wols_ | then: how do you set up NAT? |
| 01:22.14 | Sebboh | epsilon, wols_, could be either OS to blame.. It could be that the DHCP request coming from the windows machine causes the linux machine to reset something. OR, epsilon, try upgrading the NIC drivers on windows. Perhaps they have a memory leak, or are failing to clear some buffer, or something. Things like that cause failures about every X minutes, and that might become X * 0.2 if for ex.. |
| 01:22.28 | Sebboh | ..example you download something quickly or otherwise do a lot of traffic. |
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| 01:23.00 | epsilon | NAT is done by "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_dynaddr and IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 01:23.15 | epsilon | additionally routing rules I use since years I haven't touched |
| 01:23.30 | Sebboh | you mean echo "1", right? |
| 01:23.31 | wols_ | epsilon: ick! |
| 01:23.35 | epsilon | yes |
| 01:23.37 | wols_ | !tell epsilon about ipmasq |
| 01:23.48 | drasko | Hi all. I am trying to compile simple "hello world" module, and I get warning "Module.symvers is missing; modules will have no dependencies and modversions". And after that error for MODPOST: "/bin/sh: scripts/mod/modpost: No such file or directory". Any ideas? |
| 01:24.18 | wols_ | drasko: what do you m ean "hello world module"? |
| 01:24.32 | Sebboh | kernel module? |
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| 01:25.11 | drasko | wols_, the one that printk hello world on init (when inserted) |
| 01:25.11 | wols_ | drasko: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=modpost&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 01:25.26 | drasko | Sebboh, yes |
| 01:25.53 | wols_ | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=Module.symvers&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 01:26.02 | epsilon | Sebboh: hm, the NIC on XP has static setting, DHCP isn't used... one DHCP Server is running on etch router, but it's running untouched since years without trouble |
| 01:26.33 | Sebboh | I use a very small .ko that some guy wrote.. It makes my iphone charge when otherwise it would not. Strangely, the phone will charge when 5v is applied to the proper pins.. Somehow communication via USB does something extra... |
| 01:26.51 | drasko | wols_, thanks |
| 01:26.57 | parentheses | (interesting) |
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| 01:27.39 | odla | ftp-master.debian.org is still down :( |
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| 01:27.54 | Sebboh | (indeed) |
| 01:27.56 | guillaume1 | I try to setup an sftp service and use scponly to add a user for this service, but when I try to log I have this message : Fatal: unable to initialise SFTP: could not connect |
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| 01:29.58 | Sebboh | guillaume1: woah there. You're trying to add a user account to a machine via scp? You mean that you have filesystem write access but now command shell? Better idea: buy a system of your own instead of playing with someone elses. |
| 01:30.07 | Sebboh | s/now/no/ |
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| 01:30.49 | guillaume1 | Sebboh: NOO. It's my server lol I want to open an access for my family |
| 01:30.49 | epsilon | BTW, one more thing to mention, while I can't connect to internet from the XP box, internal LAN connection is still working fine (cause connection is going through switch) - so XP's NIC isn't offline |
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| 01:31.22 | guillaume1 | Sebboh: I try the link with localhost adress for testing |
| 01:32.00 | Sebboh | guillaume1: I guess that I didn't understand your question. Please try to ask again. |
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| 01:33.25 | Sebboh | epsilon: in the very least, do a route; ifconfig -a on the linux box before it stops working and after, and check for differences. Do the same on the windows machine. route print ; ipconfig /all (of course ; doesn't work...) |
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| 01:34.10 | guillaume1 | I have setup a chroot user for open an sftp connection to my linux box on port 22. I have ssh up and running. But when I try to connect with sftp I had the fingerprint of the server and then this message : Fatal: unable to initialise SFTP: could not connect |
| 01:34.46 | Sebboh | epsilon: also, the windows event viewer/system events might reveal something. But now we're really far off topic. :) |
| 01:34.48 | Asmodee` | I've recompiled the 2.6.18-5 kernel using my config-2.6.18-5 file. I've made no modifications to the kernel configuration, yet my kernel isn't booting. It cannot find /dev/sda1. My stock 2.6.18-5 kernel of course boots properly. Any ideas as to why this may be the case? |
| 01:35.02 | tzafrir_home | guillaume1, maybe look into rssh? |
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| 01:35.18 | petemc | guillaume1: in /etc/ssh/sshd_config , is the line regarding the sftp subsystem present and not commented out? |
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| 01:36.10 | guillaume1 | petemc: I follow an howto that said to me that default ssh settings in debian should work without edit the conf, I 'll have a look |
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| 01:37.27 | epsilon | Sebboh: ok, gonna keep debugging, thx :) |
| 01:37.34 | guillaume1 | petemc: I've this uncommented line : Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 01:37.49 | petemc | looks ok |
| 01:38.44 | parentheses | (themopipester?) |
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| 01:39.49 | sdubois92 | what de-src line should i have? |
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| 01:40.44 | guillaume1 | petemc: fillezilla logs show that the connection with the chrooted user is established but just after write that the init of sftp fail. |
| 01:41.40 | parentheses | (sdubois- do you mean deb-src and is it etch?) |
| 01:41.46 | sdubois92 | yes |
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| 01:42.12 | parentheses | (couldn't tell you offhand as iam running sarge) |
| 01:42.19 | guillaume1 | does this setting is correct : -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 53040 2007-07-30 11:27 sftp-server |
| 01:44.48 | guillaume1 | it's a pb with scponly chroot script it seem, I try the sftp-server with root account and all is ok... |
| 01:44.49 | petemc | guillaume1: does sftp user@localhost work? |
| 01:45.01 | fas3r | i have problem ... when i install or restart my computer i have this : " time stamp 2007-08-24 03:17:56 is 243978527.908370297 s in the future" how to fix it .. ? |
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| 01:46.49 | tzafrir_home | fas3r, fix your system's clock |
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| 01:46.59 | tzafrir_home | what is the output of 'date'? |
| 01:47.16 | fas3r | lool |
| 01:47.20 | fas3r | sorry ... :) |
| 01:47.38 | sdubois92 | anyone know what deb-src line i should use for etch? |
| 01:47.53 | tzafrir_home | use ntpdate or whatever if your computer is permanently connected to the internet |
| 01:47.53 | guillaume1 | petemc: yes other local accounts work, but not the one I've setup using scponly script -> /usr/share/doc/scponly/setup_chroot/setup_chroot.sh |
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| 01:48.30 | tzafrir_home | sdubois92, generally the same deb lines you use with deb-src instead of deb |
| 01:48.38 | Asmodee` | Is it possible to get the kernel configuration that is used to create the official 2.6.18-5 kernel package? |
| 01:48.57 | sdubois92 | tzafrir_home: should i put "main" and "contrib"? |
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| 01:49.42 | tzafrir_home | Asmooh, you can get any specific config for any specific kernel-image package in /boot/config-<kernel-version> |
| 01:49.42 | mav | morning folks! |
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| 01:50.20 | mav | got a question: how can i view the files on a cd/dvd which i inserted into my cd/dvd drive? |
| 01:50.27 | tzafrir_home | sdubois92, depends on what you want. I normally skip "contrib" and "non-free", but that's me |
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| 01:50.45 | sdubois92 | what is contrib for? |
| 01:51.02 | tzafrir_home | packages that depend on some non-free stuff |
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| 01:51.24 | tzafrir_home | Though I must admit that sometimes Debian's definition for non-free is a pain |
| 01:51.38 | sdubois92 | should "deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian main" be fine? |
| 01:51.59 | tzafrir_home | "deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main |
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| 01:52.24 | parentheses | lastlog |
| 01:52.37 | sdubois92 | Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 01:52.37 | parentheses | (oops) |
| 01:52.53 | parentheses | (are you root?) |
| 01:53.02 | sdubois92 | me? |
| 01:53.10 | wols_ | sdubois92: apt-get update |
| 01:53.23 | parentheses | (if you are getting "Could not open file" yes) |
| 01:53.34 | sdubois92 | i am root btw |
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| 01:53.40 | tzafrir_home | sounds more like an 404 message |
| 01:53.41 | wols_ | parentheses: if he isn't root he won't get that error message |
| 01:53.42 | Asmodee` | tzafrir_home: I've used the config from /boot/config-2.6.18-5, but my custom compiled kernel will not boot. I've been working on this for days, and I'm out of ideas. |
| 01:53.43 | parentheses | (hmmm) |
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| 01:54.14 | wols_ | !tell Asmodee` about errors |
| 01:54.15 | parentheses | (thanks wols, i thought that was what non-root account got when trying to run apt-get) |
| 01:54.20 | wols_ | also pastebin your menu.lst |
| 01:54.28 | wols_ | and fdisk -l |
| 01:54.30 | da9000 | I have a CardBus USB2.0 card, which is plugged into a PCI-slotted PCMCIA adapter card, but it (the USB2.0 card) doesn't get *properly* recognized (I get the following error: "cs: warning: no high memory space available"). Can someone help me with it? |
| 01:54.42 | wols_ | parentheses: then you get the message that it can't qcquire the lock |
| 01:54.43 | tzafrir_home | Asmodee`, there is no single official debian 2.6.18-5 config . There are multiple such configs (at least on i386 . Maybe it's different on some more obsucre arches) |
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| 01:55.17 | parentheses | (as Ed McMahon said, You are right Sir!) |
| 01:55.27 | wols_ | da9000: what kernel do you run? |
| 01:55.36 | tzafrir_home | Asmodee`, lacking an initrd? |
| 01:56.07 | da9000 | wols_, 2.6.17 |
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| 01:56.24 | wols_ | da9000: use a debian kernel |
| 01:56.31 | Asmodee` | I have an initrd... I've tried using yaird and mkinitramfs, I get different errors with each. I'm getting ready to pastebin the errors I've been having. |
| 01:56.53 | wols_ | Asmodee`: unless you have special needs like a shitty RAID driver you don't need an initrd |
| 01:56.56 | da9000 | wols_, would you know if there's anything I can do to /etc/pcmcia/config.opts to force the CardServices to see a memory range that it can use? |
| 01:57.06 | wols_ | also you do not need to use either mkinitramfs or yaird, ever. on debian |
| 01:57.13 | dondelelcaro | wols_: if you're using a Debian kernel, you have to. |
| 01:57.14 | wols_ | those things are used for you |
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| 01:57.32 | dondelelcaro | (use an initrd; the yaird/mkinitramfs is of course handled for you) |
| 01:57.37 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: but then make-kpkg, dpkg and friends do the creating |
| 01:57.54 | dondelelcaro | wols_: the kernel package you install does, yes. |
| 01:58.23 | wols_ | da9000: why aren't you using a debian kernel? |
| 01:58.53 | parentheses | Q: Performance-wise how much of a difference is there between a 1 or 2 partition Etch install, and a 6 partition install? |
| 01:59.06 | da9000 | wols_: I'm not on my own machine - trying to rescue a friend's system and this is the only live CD i have |
| 01:59.10 | dondelelcaro | parentheses: none? |
| 01:59.13 | parentheses | (This is for a slightly under-powered tablet) |
| 01:59.21 | parentheses | its never none, though it could be trivial |
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| 01:59.39 | wols_ | da9000: we don't support non debian distros. ask in the channel of the live cd you use |
| 01:59.42 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason that there would be a difference between having to address one partition and having to address 6. |
| 01:59.57 | da9000 | wols_: ok, I thought it was based on debian.. |
| 01:59.58 | parentheses | (so I'll consider that it is none, and go for the 6 partition install) |
| 02:00.03 | wols_ | !based on debian |
| 02:00.03 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 02:00.17 | da9000 | ok, thanks |
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| 02:01.45 | parentheses | (dondelelcaro- thanks for the answer) |
| 02:02.21 | parentheses | How about the classic question of having both HD's on the same bus, or having them on different buses? |
| 02:02.37 | parentheses | (ie how it effects performance) |
| 02:02.55 | dondelelcaro | having them separated is generally better. |
| 02:02.59 | wols_ | parentheses: #hardware |
| 02:03.04 | dondelelcaro | but that depends on what type of bus we're talking about. |
| 02:03.09 | parentheses | (much appreciated wols) |
| 02:03.34 | parentheses | (just IDE, but only asking out of theory) |
| 02:03.52 | parentheses | practically I am installing Etch on a TransMeta PenTablet |
| 02:04.09 | parentheses | (it is not exactly a speed demon) |
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| 02:05.18 | slidesinger | parentheses: I am running on a transmeta crusoe. I used apt-build and got a big performance improvement, you may want to consider the same thing. |
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| 02:05.57 | guillaume1 | scponly setup_chroot.sh doesn't work on my testing without error and create all home user folders but sftp can't connect to them. |
| 02:06.21 | parentheses | (slide- I REALLY appreciate the suggestion) |
| 02:06.56 | parentheses | I've never used apt-build but will start with the man page(s) |
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| 02:08.20 | Sebboh | hmm, apt-build, huh? Well there goes gentoo. :) |
| 02:08.51 | Asmodee` | tzafrir_home, wols_, anyone else interested: http://pastebin.com/m406202fb |
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| 02:09.05 | guillaume1 | if I try under root to execute su user(chroot account) I have this output : WinSCP: this is end-of-file:0 |
| 02:10.29 | Asmodee` | wols_: I do not manually use yaird or mkinitramfs, they are used by way of /etc/kernel-img.conf when I use dpkg to install my custom kernel |
| 02:10.31 | Sebboh | oh, pffh, fine, I'll physically remove the extra hardware. :( |
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| 02:10.59 | Asmodee` | The SATA controller I use is onboard and there is only 1 disk present in the system (not even an optical drive) |
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| 02:11.52 | wols_ | Asmodee`: what is the line you use to compile a kernel? |
| 02:11.59 | tzafrir_home | Asmodee`, how exactly do you boot to that kernel? I don't see any 2.6.22 kernel in that menu.lst |
| 02:12.16 | Sebboh | uhoh. /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-5-xen-686 has been altered. Cannot update. ???? |
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| 02:13.05 | Sebboh | I know what happened. :/ I hit ctrl-c accidentally during a dpkg-reconfigure of linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-686 ... |
| 02:13.45 | slidesinger | parentheses: There's a good article here: http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 02:13.50 | wols_ | Asmodee`: and as I said, you don't need a initrd |
| 02:14.07 | wols_ | if the .config is set up correctly (needed stuff compiled in, not a module) |
| 02:14.16 | Asmodee` | tzafrir_home: I removed my 2.6.23.1 kernel when I went back to trying the stock 2.6.18 kernel source from debian. To compile my kernel I followed this guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch which says to do fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 02:14.22 | Sebboh | So I guess I have a partial file at /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-5-xen-686 .. crap.. |
| 02:15.10 | Asmodee` | So currently I'm not working on 2.6.23.1, but instead the debian linux-source-2.6.18 package to compile my custom kernel (which in my menu.lst is present as 2.6.18-custom) |
| 02:15.21 | trentg | Where is isapnptools? |
| 02:15.27 | wols_ | what sata controller is it? |
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| 02:15.40 | Asmodee` | 00:09.0 Mass storage controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3112 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02) |
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| 02:16.00 | wols_ | compile that one into the kernel and don't make an initrd at all |
| 02:16.11 | wols_ | not a distro kernel so no initrd needed anyways |
| 02:16.56 | tzafrir_home | initrd is now the recommended procedure in linus kernel as well, IIRC |
| 02:17.01 | Asmodee` | But if I don't modify my config from the distro kernel (except compiling the SATA module statically) would I need the initrd? |
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| 02:17.34 | punsad | are there still sarge repositories? |
| 02:17.54 | wols | yes |
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| 02:18.01 | Asmodee` | I've tried every combinatino of yaird/ramfs/not having either specified in /etc/kernel-img.conf, specifying various disks /dev/sda or sde or whatever, specifying UUID, with both kernels (2.6.23.1 from kernel.org and the 2.6.18 debian package source) |
| 02:18.16 | nicnac | can Tor be used with Iceweasel? |
| 02:18.26 | wols | nicnac: yes |
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| 02:18.40 | punsad | wols: any good suggestions on how to get a netinst? the link on debian.org is broken/bandwidth really slow |
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| 02:18.52 | parentheses | (slildesinger- can you give me a hint where to start to get the pen recognition installed?) |
| 02:18.56 | Tramp | Asmodee`: it's the "--initrd" parameter in the make-kpkg-cmdline that causes the initrd to be created |
| 02:19.08 | wols | Asmodee`: I have a SiI3112 as well and it's always sda, it being the only harddisk and only sata controller |
| 02:19.15 | nicnac | I tried but get "Iceweasel is configured to use a proxy server that is refusing connection". |
| 02:19.16 | pipeline | punsad: most debian things are round-robin DNS. Try again, you might get a host you like better. |
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| 02:19.33 | wols | nicnac: you need to use it via SOCKS iirc |
| 02:19.41 | Asmodee` | wols: on this system tehre is also an IDE controller present, just not being used. |
| 02:19.44 | wols | !tell punsad about mirror |
| 02:19.56 | nicnac | wols, SOCKS v5 is set. |
| 02:20.03 | wols | Asmodee`: same here (nforce2 board). since it's not used it doesn't get a device attached |
| 02:20.15 | wols | nicnac: netstat -anp |grep 1080 |
| 02:20.35 | Asmodee` | Tramp: should I compile without --initrd? I thought the initrd was generated at package install time based on the /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 02:20.49 | punsad | my etch install won't boot. after google searching, I think the kernel is too new |
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| 02:20.58 | pipeline | Asmodee`: dvorak? |
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| 02:21.05 | wols | Asmodee`: compile the sii3112 module in then yes a kernel without inird |
| 02:21.08 | Asmodee` | pipeline: qwerty |
| 02:21.09 | punsad | I remmeber with 3.0, you could do bf24 to get 2.4 kernel |
| 02:21.12 | wols | Asmodee`: no |
| 02:21.28 | Tramp | Asmodee`: afaik if the parameter is missing, no initrd is made |
| 02:21.29 | nicnac | wols: got this: unix 3 [ ] STREAM CONNECTED 11080 3594/X /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 |
| 02:21.32 | pipeline | Asmodee`: rare typo then |
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| 02:21.42 | wols | well, yes it will be created there but the fact that a initrd at all is needed/used is determined before |
| 02:21.48 | punsad | anyone else run into this problem on older machines? This one is circa '98 |
| 02:21.59 | wols | nicnac: how should SOCKS work when nothing is listening on port 1080? |
| 02:22.35 | Asmodee` | pipeline: I type ~140 wpm, so probably have lots of unusual typos :P |
| 02:22.40 | nicnac | wols, i thought when I use the Torbutton, it would be auto-configured. |
| 02:22.42 | techouse | anyone using linux-image-2.6.22.3-amd64 here? |
| 02:22.57 | wols | nicnac: what debian version is this? |
| 02:23.03 | wols | "torbutton"? |
| 02:23.04 | nicnac | wols: lenny |
| 02:23.20 | wols | !anyone use linux-image-2.6.22.3-amd64 |
| 02:23.20 | dpkg | No, no one uses linux-image-2.6.22.3-amd64, not even the people who use it. |
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| 02:24.05 | punsad | anyone else using debian on 10year old equiptment? |
| 02:24.10 | nicnac | wols, torbutton, once installed, one click will get you connected to the Tor proxy server. |
| 02:24.20 | wols | !tell punsad about ask |
| 02:24.25 | wols | nicnac: tor has no GUI |
| 02:24.42 | punsad | I thought I was 'just asking' |
| 02:24.44 | wols | nicnac: so tor can't have a tor button |
| 02:24.59 | guillaume1 | nicnac: i use it under lenny |
| 02:25.09 | nicnac | wols, there is, search the web. |
| 02:25.29 | nicnac | guillaume1, do you have to do any settings? |
| 02:25.34 | wols | nicnac: debian tor has no gui, period. as seen in its dependencies: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libevent1 (>= 1.1a), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), adduser, tsocks |
| 02:25.39 | dutchfish | can anyone confirm if bug in casper when user is created in the squashfs? error: user not known to the underlying auth. module |
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| 02:26.11 | nicnac | wols, i install Torbutton from its website. |
| 02:26.11 | guillaume1 | nicnac: yes there's conf files to edit if I remember |
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| 02:26.29 | wols | nicnac: then you are asking in the wrong channel. use debian software or ask the folks who gave you the software |
| 02:26.45 | guillaume1 | nicnac: look at privoxy conf file |
| 02:27.27 | nicnac | guillaume1, k. but what value to set for what parameter? |
| 02:27.52 | wols | guillaume1: he isn't using a debian tor so I doubt your advice is relevant |
| 02:27.54 | nicnac | guillaume1, you use debian's or the original? |
| 02:28.27 | live4thehour | wols_: thanks again for your help with opening my ntfs drive in Nautilus. adding the uid,gid, and umask worked. thank you |
| 02:28.36 | guillaume1 | nicnac: I've downloaded torbutton from firefox plugins download page |
| 02:29.12 | nicnac | guillaume1, exactly as i did. |
| 02:29.25 | nicnac | guillaume1, and it works for you only after you set privoxy right? |
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| 02:32.38 | guillaume1 | nicnac: when you edit torbutton setup from iceweasel ports are proxy http 8118 proxy ssl 8118 socks 9050 ? |
| 02:33.16 | dryrot | is there freenx for etch ? |
| 02:33.53 | nicnac | guillaume1, exactly. |
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| 02:34.26 | nicnac | guillaume1, and all the servers are "localhost". |
| 02:34.32 | zenwryly | what is that little utility that tells you the PID of an X window? |
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| 02:34.57 | dutchfish | can anyone confirm if bug in casper when user is created in the squashfs? error: user not known to the underlying auth. module |
| 02:35.19 | guillaume1 | nicnac: same as me so, have you check the box for privoxy ? |
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| 02:35.55 | guillaume1 | nicnac: add this line to the end of your privoxy conf file : forward-socks4a / 127.0.0.1:9050 |
| 02:36.14 | guillaume1 | and restart the service of course |
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| 02:37.21 | nicnac | guillaume1, k, let me try that. earlier on, i couldn't find the privoxy file in /usr/share/doc. is it under firefox dir? |
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| 02:38.37 | guillaume1 | nicnac: what aptitude show privoxy return ? If it's not installed you can't link tor to iceweasel |
| 02:39.17 | nicnac | guillaume1, ah, that may be it. let me check. |
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| 02:40.21 | zenwryly | xprop |
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| 02:41.30 | nicnac | guillaume1, thks, privoxy is not installed. is it alright to use the debian version with the firefox's tor? |
| 02:41.54 | guillaume1 | nicnac: that's my conf :) |
| 02:42.14 | nicnac | k, that should fix it then, hopefully. |
| 02:42.38 | guillaume1 | nicnac: don't forget to add the line I wrote to the privoxy conf file |
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| 02:46.45 | nicnac | guillaume1, it is working now, without me adding that line. probably it was done auto, |
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| 02:47.16 | guillaume1 | nicnac: maybe, you can check the install at tor site |
| 02:48.27 | nicnac | guillaume1, thks a lot for your help. |
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| 02:51.09 | nicnac | another problem i would like to fix. printing seems to have its own font, different from the screen's. how to choose the font for printout. |
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| 02:59.10 | Sebboh | hi. I had two ethernet cards in my machine, but I removed one. I expected eth1 to become eth0. However, udev seems to have some persistant naming based on the mac address.. ok, fine, I deleted (moved to ~ actually :) ) /etc/udev/rules.d/x25_persistent-net.rules and rebooted. Ok, my one and only network card is still called eth1... ???? |
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| 03:00.47 | wols | !tell Sashi about z25 |
| 03:01.08 | Sashi | o.o? |
| 03:01.11 | wols | !tell Sebboh about z25 |
| 03:01.13 | Sebboh | Sebboh |
| 03:01.15 | Sebboh | :) |
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| 03:01.32 | wols | Sashi: you just came in after sebboh asked, so s<tab> chose you |
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| 03:01.37 | Sashi | BUT that is interesting |
| 03:01.48 | guillaume1 | does anyone succed in usinf scponly under lenny here ? |
| 03:01.50 | wols | yes, it's interesting how broken udev can be :) |
| 03:02.33 | Sebboh | yeah no kidding. Who are these guys and who asked them to memorize my PC's ethernet devices? :) I'll have to remember this next time I make a liveCD or something! :) |
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| 03:03.03 | pipeline | Sebboh: you can remove the ifrename package, no? |
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| 03:04.27 | Sebboh | wols, so, actually, intuition lead me to delete the z25 file already. However, upon reboot, the name eth1 was somehow remembered. ..A quick grep of /etc/ and /var shows a few config files that mention that name.. Could udev take something like that into account when determining what the name should be? |
| 03:05.08 | Sebboh | Sure, I could instruct udev to not do this at all, it's just curiosity now how it managed to come up with eth1 on a one-nic system. *shrug* |
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| 03:07.35 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 03:08.12 | Sebboh | Greetings. |
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| 03:09.51 | wols | Sebboh: udev is magic, pure magic |
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| 03:10.24 | Sebboh | so is snow on christmas, but I don't celebrate that, either. ;) |
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| 03:11.19 | wols | nobody said you should celebrate magic. it's evil pagan, heathen non christian. that's what magic is |
| 03:11.37 | wols | now go and say your prayers |
| 03:11.41 | wols | you will need them |
| 03:11.57 | Sebboh | I had a machine named magic once. |
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| 03:12.22 | Sebboh | Hey, wow, it has auto-naming magic for my cdrom, too! |
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| 03:15.18 | Azar | tarzeau |
| 03:15.45 | Azar | is anyone at Debian dev testing nouveau ? |
| 03:16.16 | Azar | http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TestersWanted |
| 03:17.20 | Azar | my machine is a GF MX 4000 8x.... they need 6xxx and 7xxx |
| 03:18.26 | jahshua | hello |
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| 03:18.46 | jahshua | can a debian netinstall be done using a WPA protected wireless network? |
| 03:20.14 | Sebboh | jahshua: that is a very interesting question that I wish I knew the answer to. ..I finally switched to WPA recently, and I haven't done an install since. Hmm. Uh, well, I'm not sure that I don't usually just use wired connections for that. |
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| 03:20.48 | guillaume1 | jahshua: I think not as wpa require wpa_supplicant and config |
| 03:20.55 | jahshua | yeah, i usually would just plug into the cable but at the present moment that is not an opton. |
| 03:21.08 | jahshua | guillaume1: yah thats what i was thinking. |
| 03:22.30 | guillaume1 | jahshua: but maybe there's a way to create a netinstall with these packages and to fix the wpa in a expert mode intall (too hard for me :) ) |
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| 03:24.17 | jahshua | :) |
| 03:24.19 | jahshua | heh |
| 03:24.20 | jahshua | yah |
| 03:24.52 | itu | hello |
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| 03:27.50 | UhligH_ | hmm |
| 03:27.55 | UhligH_ | cd seems to be not working |
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| 03:28.46 | wols | jahshua: it is possible with caveats but not too easy |
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| 03:29.10 | jahshua | ok |
| 03:29.11 | wols | easiest would be a livecd that can use WPA and debootstrap probably |
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| 03:33.38 | frazras | im getting this error any ideas : (EE) I810(0) Given bpp (32) is not supported by i810 driver (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration |
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| 03:34.10 | shogunx | frazras, set DefaultDepth to 24 |
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| 03:43.52 | guillaume1 | what's the difference between contacting maintainer directly (-m option) or reporting bug with reportbug ? My config is recent and I have some bugs but don't know exactly the user's policy of testing. |
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| 03:48.38 | dondelelcaro | guillaume1: just report the bugs |
| 03:49.07 | dondelelcaro | contacting the maintainer directly is really only for when you want to speak directly to the maintainer with kudos or something |
| 03:50.47 | simonrvn | frazras: set 24, not 32 |
| 03:52.03 | frazras | ok thanx |
| 03:53.09 | simonrvn | frazras: example from my Xorg.0.log: (**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 |
| 03:53.21 | simonrvn | frazras: it's always been like that |
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| 03:55.05 | guillaume1 | dondelelcaro: I have submited a bug recently for gpsman package and the maintainer told me he prefer to receive bug directly. The bug was that in fact the package gpsman doesn't refer all its dependencies. |
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| 03:56.34 | dondelelcaro | guillaume1: well, the maintainer is incorrect in that case. |
| 03:56.51 | dondelelcaro | guillaume1: the reason why bugs should be filed is because it lets everyone else know what is going on with a package |
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| 03:58.20 | sikkle | is it me or a lot of debian mirror are just down ? |
| 03:58.34 | sikkle | someone can give me a working mirror for etch ? |
| 03:58.35 | dondelelcaro | sikkle: it's most likely just you. |
| 03:58.48 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 03:58.48 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 03:59.41 | Surtsey | Does anybody here have experience with testing on Sony Vaio notebooks? |
| 04:00.03 | dondelelcaro | guillaume1: though in that bug's case, it's not a bug in gpsman |
| 04:00.32 | guillaume1 | Surtsey: nope sorry I have some but under dell xps |
| 04:00.33 | huhlig | hey dondelelcaro Ive got an interesting question for you |
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| 04:00.45 | huhlig | why would a CDrom eject when the keyboard is pressed |
| 04:00.49 | Surtsey | guillaume1: Any that have Intel video hardware? |
| 04:00.52 | huhlig | but not seem to show up in OF |
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| 04:01.03 | dondelelcaro | guillaume1: plus, the person who responded to you isn't actually the Debian maintainer. |
| 04:01.17 | guillaume1 | dondelelcaro: yes I had a missing package for running gpsman |
| 04:01.41 | wols | Surtsey: ask a real question |
| 04:01.43 | dondelelcaro | guillaume1: the error that you gave was because gpsman couldn't contact the X server, not that there was a missing package |
| 04:02.04 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: it should show up in OF too, 'cause it won't eject without it |
| 04:02.49 | huhlig | thats what I would think |
| 04:03.01 | guillaume1 | dondelelcaro: yes that's because I didn't know I have to install wxwindows |
| 04:04.45 | simonrvn | huhlig: what machine is it? |
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| 04:05.33 | dondelelcaro | guillaume1: which package did you install to make it work? does removing the package break it again? |
| 04:05.40 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 04:07.32 | huhlig | simonrvn, imac 600 |
| 04:07.33 | Sebboh | huhlig, simonrvn, is it a laptop that you hit eject and it works but you don't see the key info? |
| 04:07.37 | huhlig | summer 01 |
| 04:07.52 | huhlig | allwhite CRT |
| 04:08.01 | Sebboh | ahh.. Could the eject be handled in hardware? |
| 04:08.36 | Sebboh | Or, does the eject work when your OS isn't running? |
| 04:08.49 | huhlig | eject works when it boots |
| 04:08.53 | huhlig | and only when it boots |
| 04:09.00 | huhlig | you hold the eject key and turn it on |
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| 04:09.22 | huhlig | but if the drive wasnt working |
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| 04:09.25 | huhlig | how would it eject |
| 04:09.30 | huhlig | its a standard atapi drive |
| 04:09.37 | Sebboh | I have lost track of what we're talking about, sorry. |
| 04:10.02 | fundesktop | is this the correct line for debian unstable in sources.list?: "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free " |
| 04:10.02 | Sebboh | I thought that you were attempting to learn what key-code the eject key on your special keyboard sends to the OS. |
| 04:10.09 | huhlig | no |
| 04:10.13 | huhlig | I cant put an os on it |
| 04:10.19 | huhlig | it doesnt recognise the CDROM |
| 04:10.19 | fundesktop | I'm asking because I'm not getting updates since a week or so now |
| 04:10.24 | dondelelcaro | fundesktop: that's one method, though you don't need a trailing / on the debian. |
| 04:10.27 | huhlig | except the soft eject key works |
| 04:10.39 | dondelelcaro | fundesktop: yes, that's because ries is down temporarily. |
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| 04:10.53 | Sebboh | what is reis? |
| 04:10.56 | fundesktop | dondelelcaro: ah, so it's a "global" problem |
| 04:10.56 | Sebboh | ries |
| 04:11.08 | dondelelcaro | ries is ftp-master. |
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| 04:11.33 | Sebboh | ok. Is ftp.debian.org a DNS round-robin, or a main site? |
| 04:11.46 | Azar | fundesktop: try adding a country code to it http://ftp.de.debian.org .. or .fr, or .uk |
| 04:12.03 | fundesktop | Azar: ch, fr or de didn't "work" neither (no new updates) |
| 04:12.10 | fundesktop | *either |
| 04:12.15 | Azar | dondelelcaro: oh I thought ries affected uploads only |
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| 04:12.33 | dondelelcaro | Azar: if there are no uploads... there are no updates. |
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| 04:12.39 | Sebboh | Azar, it's likely that he was successfully connecting. But, yes, fundesktop should use a more local, less popular mirror. |
| 04:13.05 | minerale | is it possible to configure pure-ftpd to use PAM + virtual logins for authentication? |
| 04:13.09 | Azar | fundesktop: well, if you are like me with only some base installed applications, and Debian Sarge, chances are you get updates "for what you have" that means, once /month if any |
| 04:13.11 | fundesktop | Sebboh: I switched to the global FTP ebcause I thought the mirrors weren't updated |
| 04:13.22 | Sebboh | fun, I see! |
| 04:13.33 | fundesktop | Azar: no, I usually get ca. 400 MB updates per week |
| 04:13.49 | Sebboh | ok bbl all. thanks for the help earlier. |
| 04:13.53 | Azar | fundesktop: well me too, try .de |
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| 04:15.20 | Azar | wait a second... fundesktop there are only security updates I get and is from security source, |
| 04:15.31 | Azar | what "updates" are you expecting, fundesktop ? |
| 04:15.48 | fundesktop | Azar: I thought there were no security updates for Debian Unstable |
| 04:16.01 | dondelelcaro | again, there aren't any updates to unstable or testing this week because ries is down. |
| 04:16.02 | Azar | fundesktop: oh yes, you are right... I forgot I seen / sid |
| 04:16.04 | fundesktop | Azar: and unstable is just updated with the newest releases all the time |
| 04:16.28 | Azar | fundesktop: so what dondelecaro said... updates "on hold" |
| 04:16.53 | fundesktop | yeah, ok... is it known when it's likely to come back? |
| 04:17.11 | Azar | fundesktop: as soon as is repaired :) |
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| 04:17.24 | fundesktop | heh |
| 04:17.47 | harold | I installed yelp and clicked help, but it says "This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below.". |
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| 04:17.57 | harold | I'm guessing I still need to install something. Anyone know what? |
| 04:18.21 | harold | This is the help for synaptic btw. |
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| 04:20.14 | Azar | never used synaptic |
| 04:20.22 | Azar | speaking for myself |
| 04:20.46 | guillaume1 | dondelelcaro: maybe python-wxgtk2.6 and python-wxversion. But there's something interesting, gpsman install from patitude isn't in my /var/log/aptitude file and aptitude show gpsman report it as installed. |
| 04:21.09 | dondelelcaro | guillaume1: uh... gpsman is written in tcl, not python |
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| 04:22.23 | nabs | hello evry one |
| 04:22.28 | nabs | this is so coool |
| 04:22.35 | nabs | greating from belize |
| 04:22.43 | guillaume1 | dondelelcaro: I can't find the install of gpsman in aptitude log, is it normal ? |
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| 04:23.44 | Natilous | hi every one ! |
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| 04:24.18 | Natilous | how can I use wget to download a large file size! |
| 04:24.32 | guillaume1 | cat /var/log/aptitude|grep gpsman |
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| 04:24.40 | guillaume1 | return nothing |
| 04:25.05 | Nyle | how long does it take to build the stock deian kernel on a fairly fast machine? |
| 04:25.19 | Nyle | 2-3 hours? |
| 04:25.26 | Nyle | 4-5? 6...more? |
| 04:26.27 | huhlig | 30 min |
| 04:26.50 | huhlig | up to 1.5 hours on a slow box |
| 04:26.50 | Nyle | is your last name uhlig? |
| 04:26.51 | huhlig | yes |
| 04:26.58 | ameyer | vanilla kernel on my almost 4 year old desktop takes 40 minutes or so for a stripped-down kernel |
| 04:26.58 | Nyle | thats cool, the only peron I knew with that was my 8th grade sience teacher |
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| 04:27.20 | Nyle | not stipped, just wondering how long on average the stock debian kernel with whatever config it has takes |
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| 04:27.36 | Nyle | maybe you are related to him hehe |
| 04:27.44 | ameyer | or did when I was using a distro whose name rhymes with "poobuntu" |
| 04:27.51 | Nyle | heh |
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| 04:30.01 | Natilous | is wget can slice a large size in download .. ? |
| 04:30.11 | Natilous | how can I do that ? |
| 04:30.19 | dondelelcaro | Natilous: your question doesn't make much sense |
| 04:30.57 | huhlig | nope |
| 04:31.00 | Natilous | i can't speak eng ! |
| 04:31.24 | Natilous | :-D |
| 04:31.30 | minerale | I just enabled a ftp server to user PAM for authentication, how can I list the "PAM" users? |
| 04:31.35 | wols | Natilous: explain a bit more what you want to do |
| 04:31.56 | Natilous | i want use wget like Internet Download Manager in windows ... |
| 04:31.58 | guillaume1 | dondelelcaro: I send strace to the person who answer me. I think it may be more clear as I'm not an expert |
| 04:32.52 | wols | Natilous: we have no clue what this Internet Dwonload Manager is |
| 04:32.56 | Natilous | in IDM download from multiSites or a file slice to smaller files and downlowd ... ok? |
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| 04:33.34 | shigarame | Natilous: wget downloads from one server |
| 04:33.57 | wols | Natilous: not possible in wget |
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| 04:34.01 | Natilous | in D4X , like this ? |
| 04:34.04 | wols | it can't do more than one connection |
| 04:34.14 | huhlig | per instance |
| 04:34.21 | Natilous | what downloader cant do it ? |
| 04:34.29 | Nyle | hehe |
| 04:34.39 | Nyle | apparantly wget can't do it |
| 04:34.46 | wols | Natilous: any bittorrent client |
| 04:34.48 | huhlig | Natilous, what do you want |
| 04:34.50 | netdaemon | aria2c can =D |
| 04:34.53 | huhlig | not what can it do |
| 04:34.57 | shigarame | Natilous: are you using FlashGot? |
| 04:35.15 | Natilous | flashgot ??? or Flashget ? |
| 04:35.19 | Nyle | got |
| 04:35.23 | Nyle | firefox extention I beleive |
| 04:35.23 | Natilous | no ... |
| 04:35.32 | Ryan52 | I just reinstalled my system with KDE instead of GNOME and now sound doesn't work. Even if I do "/etc/init.d/kdm stop" and then "date > /dev/dsp" I hear no noise. I know I have it plugged in to the right plug and everything is turned up in alsamixer. What should I try now? |
| 04:35.48 | Nyle | Ryan52: why? |
| 04:35.55 | Natilous | Nyle: flashgot is a downloader in linux ? |
| 04:36.13 | Ryan52 | My sound doesn't work all of the sudden... |
| 04:36.30 | pipeline | Ryan52: the problem is that you reinstalled, not the kde versus gnome thing. Have you tried installing alsa-base and alsamixer ? |
| 04:36.45 | Ryan52 | Yes, they are both installed |
| 04:37.03 | Nyle | install alsa-tools and run alsaconf |
| 04:37.04 | Nyle | ? |
| 04:37.18 | Nyle | maybe it needs to be refoncigured |
| 04:37.21 | Ryan52 | I'll try that |
| 04:39.05 | Natilous | shigarame: thanx for your help . |
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| 04:39.10 | Natilous | Nyle: thanx too ... |
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| 04:39.33 | Ryan52 | Nyle: thanks, the alsaconf fixed it |
| 04:39.58 | Nyle | power to the people |
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| 04:41.28 | Nyle | there is this wicked mp3 downloading script for irc, but it only works in mirc :( a very old version of it... I wonder if you can use mirc mdx.dll scripts within wine |
| 04:42.14 | Zippy2 | old mirc is hackable |
| 04:42.23 | Zippy2 | also it's shareware and i doubt you own it |
| 04:42.32 | Nyle | its good for 30 days |
| 04:42.43 | Zippy2 | im not going there |
| 04:43.06 | Nyle | thats _what_ shareware is... dude |
| 04:43.06 | ameyer | actually, it just nags after 30 days, it still works |
| 04:43.32 | Nyle | if you don't want to pay for it to begin with, you can still use it freely for 30 days, if you want to get righteous and anal abou tit |
| 04:43.36 | Nyle | about it* |
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| 04:43.44 | guillaume1 | dondelelcaro: that's strange the bug came back.... |
| 04:43.51 | ameyer | as I understand it, mIRC works fine in wine |
| 04:43.53 | Nyle | anyway, it does work, wow |
| 04:43.57 | ameyer | (ugh) |
| 04:44.00 | Nyle | ameyer: no its the scripts |
| 04:44.05 | Zippy2 | whoever wants to use mirc in linux does not want to use linux |
| 04:44.11 | ameyer | Nyle: it should work\ |
| 04:44.28 | Nyle | ameyer: yes I wondered if the mdx.dll scripts would work, and yes they do |
| 04:44.35 | Nyle | great success |
| 04:44.37 | ameyer | and if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces |
| 04:45.08 | epsilon | mirc is working, but kinda unstable, I won't use it for chatting actually |
| 04:45.15 | Nyle | its really cool man, you go to a channel, and type @find something, and results show up in a window, and you just double click what you want and it gets it... its automated all of the downloading |
| 04:45.15 | ameyer | technically, mIRC doesn't do anything to make you pay after 30 days other than be really fucking annoying |
| 04:45.19 | Nyle | its nice |
| 04:45.39 | Nyle | but its not that I don't want to use linux |
| 04:46.02 | Zippy2 | is aac mp4? |
| 04:46.19 | ameyer | Zippy2: sort of |
| 04:46.28 | Kobaz | zippy, isn't it past your bedtime |
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| 04:46.34 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:46.36 | Zippy2 | if i have an mp4 player will it play aac (lexar 256MB) |
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| 04:46.38 | Zippy2 | it plays m4a |
| 04:46.38 | guillaume1 | dondelelcaro: I find somthing interesting, when I launch gpsman from a normal user account terminal, the app is starting normaly, but when I launch it by the root terminal after using su I had this output : connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 04:46.40 | ameyer | (mp4 is basically a massive clusterfudge of codecs) |
| 04:46.43 | Zippy2 | Kobaz: yes my gf is already in bed waiting for me |
| 04:46.47 | Zippy2 | im finishing my coffee |
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| 04:47.05 | Kobaz | coffee? |
| 04:47.07 | Kobaz | before sleeping? |
| 04:47.08 | Nyle | stop the violence, can't we all just get along |
| 04:47.08 | Zippy2 | i got this yemen mocha coffee. cant wait to try it tomorrow morning |
| 04:47.09 | Zippy2 | yeah |
| 04:47.12 | Kobaz | isn't that not going to help? |
| 04:47.15 | Zippy2 | i told u i was hardcore !! |
| 04:47.16 | ameyer | although there's a mpeg2 version of aac |
| 04:47.36 | Zippy2 | ameyer: hm. what does itunes use? mpeg2 or 4? |
| 04:47.39 | Nyle | man, this thing is a taking a while to compile |
| 04:47.41 | Zippy2 | is mpeg 2 patented? |
| 04:47.48 | ameyer | (although, to be technical, I guess mp4 is just a container format) |
| 04:47.48 | Zippy2 | mpeg 1 layer 2 |
| 04:47.52 | Nyle | I wonder how those gentoo guys deal with installing everything from source |
| 04:48.01 | Zippy2 | Nyle: they sleep a lot |
| 04:48.01 | Nyle | that sounds like such a waste of time |
| 04:48.07 | ameyer | mpeg1 layer 2 is basically crippled mp3 |
| 04:48.17 | Nyle | yeh some stuff needs to be made from source sometimes but everything? |
| 04:48.22 | Nyle | I mean, sheesh |
| 04:48.22 | Zippy2 | ameyer: crippled? |
| 04:48.27 | ameyer | Zippy2: I think it's the mpeg4 version |
| 04:48.33 | Nyle | I have no patience |
| 04:48.33 | ameyer | Zippy2: not the right word |
| 04:48.34 | Zippy2 | Nyle: thats how it used to be. i used to us eslackware back in the day |
| 04:48.35 | Kobaz | Nyle: i thought the same way about freebsd |
| 04:48.40 | ameyer | "less complicated" |
| 04:48.47 | s[exe] | Can someone help me with using WINE? I've got it properly installed, and there's an EXE that I have on a local partition that I want to try running. I should have all the dlls, but they're on my windows partition (which is mounted in debian). I'm using etch. |
| 04:48.50 | Zippy2 | Nyle: think of how compiling was on my p75 :/ |
| 04:48.52 | epsilon | Zippy2: mp4 is a container with defined codecs for video, audio, picture |
| 04:48.53 | Kobaz | Nyle: i'm like, why, in a "modern" system, am i compiling everything in my system |
| 04:49.05 | Zippy2 | epsilon: i know |
| 04:49.06 | epsilon | Zippy2: aac is part of it |
| 04:49.11 | Zippy2 | epis: ok thanks |
| 04:49.15 | Nyle | Kobaz: why were you? |
| 04:49.23 | Kobaz | Nyle: well, i didn't use freebsd for long |
| 04:49.26 | Zippy2 | i tried ripping cds in linux for my gf but apparently faac is broken |
| 04:49.37 | Zippy2 | (lenny) |
| 04:49.48 | Zippy2 | i used abcde |
| 04:49.50 | Kobaz | i don't even know what i run |
| 04:49.50 | Nyle | how much coffee do you have left? |
| 04:49.57 | Zippy2 | Nyle: half a cup |
| 04:49.58 | Kobaz | i'm just on debian/unstable |
| 04:49.58 | epsilon | strange format to rip CDs... |
| 04:50.01 | Nyle | hehe |
| 04:50.05 | Zippy2 | Nyle: they dont call me zippy for nothing |
| 04:50.07 | ameyer | Zippy2: LAME? |
| 04:50.14 | Zippy2 | epsilon: its only 256MB and m4a is smaller than vbr mp3 |
| 04:50.28 | Zippy2 | ameyer: i have mp3 and mp4. but mp4 is smaller (lame worked but aac didnt. but i wanted m4a) |
| 04:50.34 | Nyle | is there a cell phone channel here on freenode? |
| 04:50.36 | Zippy2 | oops aac=m4a (i didnt use aac) |
| 04:50.49 | Zippy2 | disgusting |
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| 04:51.22 | FastPutty | hi guys, i wanna know ifthere a program in debian unix command shell to take a picture trought a webcam every like 10 seconds or somehing? |
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| 04:51.34 | FastPutty | well just take a picture, i can do the 10 sec with a crontab |
| 04:51.36 | Zippy2 | FastPutty: depends on the webcam. it has to be supported |
| 04:51.43 | FastPutty | i have a logitech quickcam |
| 04:51.47 | Zippy2 | google it |
| 04:51.51 | Zippy2 | see if theres an app |
| 04:51.52 | ameyer | aac tends to be smaller for the same quality, but any modern codec with proper settings targeting at about 128 kbps is going to be about the same |
| 04:51.56 | FastPutty | =) i guess it would be, just wondering is there any program for it |
| 04:51.58 | Zippy2 | check freshmeat.net and sourceforge.net too |
| 04:52.23 | ameyer | and of acceptable quality |
| 04:52.29 | huhlig | arrrgh |
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| 04:53.33 | Zippy2 | ameyer: whats m4a then? |
| 04:54.04 | huhlig | anyone here familier with macs |
| 04:54.25 | ameyer | Zippy2: basically the same thing as aac, I think |
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| 04:54.38 | Zippy2 | thanks |
| 04:55.02 | ameyer | I'm not 100% sure, I've never ripped to anything other than WMA (ugh), FLAC, MP3 or Ogg Vorbis |
| 04:55.24 | ameyer | 64 kbps wma != CD quality, just for the record |
| 04:55.35 | Zippy2 | ameyer: so 128kbps vbr is the lowest i should go? |
| 04:55.40 | Zippy2 | aac or mp3 |
| 04:55.55 | guillaume1 | how can you explain this output : http://pastebin.com/d4eb4eef |
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| 04:56.19 | Zippy2 | <hideaway> bananas in pajamas |
| 04:56.19 | Zippy2 | <Zippy2> hot |
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| 04:56.19 | Zippy2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.19 | Zippy2 | <Zippy2> and its hardspace! |
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| 04:56.42 | ameyer | I'd say go with mp3 if you care about compatibility |
| 04:56.47 | Zippy2 | oops. right click wasnt supposed to paste. sorry. |
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| 04:56.55 | Zippy2 | i was trying to open link for that pastebin thing guilla said |
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| 04:57.10 | ameyer | lame -v 4 |
| 04:57.16 | ameyer | or is it -v 5 |
| 04:57.22 | Zippy2 | ameyer: well i know the player supports mp4... so you think mp3 or better or mp4 for size/quality? |
| 04:57.25 | Zippy2 | whats -v? |
| 04:57.28 | Zippy2 | i do --vbr-new |
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| 04:57.46 | ameyer | -v lts you specify the quality setting |
| 04:57.57 | Zippy2 | whats the default? 3? |
| 04:57.59 | ameyer | actually, I think it's -V |
| 04:58.02 | ameyer | Zippy2: 2 |
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| 04:58.07 | Zippy2 | how bad is that? |
| 04:58.31 | Rusty1 | FastPutty: http://linux.bytesex.org/xawtv/ FWIW |
| 04:58.35 | Zippy2 | the headphones for the mp3 players are crap anyway... |
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| 04:58.52 | Zippy2 | mp3 player not players, just this one |
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| 04:59.45 | Casey-^ | hello, just looking around for someone to chat with... I have a few pictures up at www.myspace.com/caseytinsley if you wanted to see. feel free to message me :) |
| 05:00.02 | Zippy2 | lol i wonder if casey is a spammer |
| 05:00.09 | Zippy2 | excess flooding 20 times before a message with a url |
| 05:00.16 | ameyer | -2 targets "192 kbps", it should be indistiguishable from the original |
| 05:00.36 | Zippy2 | ameyer: but i want size over quality |
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| 05:00.47 | Zippy2 | 192 is way too much. i need at least 5 albums on 256MB |
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| 05:01.13 | ameyer | what is that in minutes? |
| 05:01.41 | Zippy2 | i dont know, 5*70 let's say = 350 |
| 05:02.37 | ameyer | I doubt the albums are 70 minutes ;) |
| 05:02.55 | Zippy2 | its mostly classical |
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| 05:03.39 | ameyer | you could try 96 kbps abr... |
| 05:03.58 | ameyer | which'd be about 45 MB/hour or so |
| 05:04.13 | ameyer | probably wouldn't sound very good though |
| 05:04.16 | Zippy2 | abr=vbr? |
| 05:04.33 | Zippy2 | mp4 would be better than mp3 right? |
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| 05:05.17 | Kobaz | Zippy2: abr is average bitrate |
| 05:05.18 | huhlig | anyone around who migh give a bit of help with a mac? |
| 05:05.25 | guillaume1 | and ogg ? |
| 05:05.36 | ameyer | Zippy2: define "better" |
| 05:06.12 | ameyer | I doubt your mp3 player does aac |
| 05:06.12 | Zippy2 | ameyer: more quality for size |
| 05:06.22 | Zippy2 | it does m 4a |
| 05:06.23 | Zippy2 | m4a |
| 05:07.00 | huhlig | arrrgh |
| 05:07.08 | huhlig | I give up on this mac hardware |
| 05:07.19 | ameyer | Zippy2: does your mp3 player do ogg vorbis? (I highly doubt it does) |
| 05:07.26 | Zippy2 | ameyer: doubt it |
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| 05:07.39 | ameyer | what mp3 player? |
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| 05:07.51 | Zippy2 | lexar 256MB. i dont know the model. i didnt buy it i got it for free |
| 05:07.56 | Zippy2 | the guy who owned it bought an ipod (some rich guy) |
| 05:08.07 | guillaume1 | i heard that it was the best format for quality |
| 05:08.10 | parentheses | (ipod = rich?) |
| 05:08.15 | pipeline | guillaume1: what format? |
| 05:08.16 | Zippy2 | parentheses: no hes just rich |
| 05:08.19 | pipeline | parentheses: ipods are down to $40 now :P |
| 05:08.22 | parentheses | lol |
| 05:08.32 | Zippy2 | hes my brothers friend |
| 05:08.34 | guillaume1 | pipeline: ogg |
| 05:08.39 | parentheses | rich people tend to buy ipods by the case |
| 05:08.44 | Zippy2 | and my brother gave it to me. it uses 1 AAA battery and lasts 5 hours or so |
| 05:08.51 | parentheses | put them all in different colour cases |
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| 05:09.04 | parentheses | just pick whichever colour suits your mood |
| 05:09.11 | parentheses | red for hi energy music |
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| 05:09.17 | pipeline | guillaume1: you were told wrong. Vorbis does very well at low bitrates, but kinda sucks at high ones. |
| 05:09.18 | parentheses | blue for chill and downtempo |
| 05:09.26 | guillaume1 | rich people wwon't buy ipod but iphone :) |
| 05:09.27 | parentheses | etc |
| 05:09.41 | parentheses | well iphones you only need one |
| 05:09.49 | parentheses | unless youre unlocking them and selling them |
| 05:10.07 | ameyer | Zippy2: is it this? http://www.amazon.com/Lexar-Media-LDP-800-Digital-Player/dp/B0007M60XM |
| 05:10.13 | Guerin | s/rich/stupid/ |
| 05:10.35 | Zippy2 | no. its way cheaper than that |
| 05:11.29 | minerale | how do I add a user to a group? namele me to group fuse? i'm getting confused by useradd groupadd addgroup adduser groupmod |
| 05:12.17 | Zippy2 | http://www.amazon.com/Lexar-MDA256-100-256MB-Player-Slot/dp/B000WEJVIQ/ref=sr_1_3/102-8675794-6805737?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1194757919&sr=1-3 |
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| 05:12.23 | guillaume1 | pipeline: the discussion was on wich format keep best quality with little kbps rate |
| 05:12.32 | Zippy2 | minus: usermod -a -G fuse yourusername |
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| 05:13.10 | pipeline | guillaume1: well, yes, at low bitrates, it's pretty great :) |
| 05:13.22 | pipeline | guillaume1: when you have >128 kbps to play with, vorbis is less of a good deal. |
| 05:13.51 | pipeline | guillaume1: mp3 (MPEG1 layer 3) and mp2 (MPEG1 layer 2) become better choices at higher bitrates. |
| 05:13.57 | minerale | zippy2: how can I verify i'm part of the group? |
| 05:14.16 | wols | minerale: id |
| 05:14.21 | Zippy2 | yep. id |
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| 05:15.16 | wols | minerale: after adding yourself you need to log out and back in |
| 05:15.45 | minerale | ok, I did sudo usermod -a -G fuse minerale -> i'm still not part of group minerale |
| 05:15.49 | minerale | err |
| 05:15.51 | minerale | group fuse* |
| 05:16.06 | Zippy2 | minerale: log in and out |
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| 05:16.09 | Zippy2 | out and in |
| 05:16.22 | Zippy2 | ok sleep time afk |
| 05:16.23 | Zippy2 | thanks guys |
| 05:16.27 | Zippy2 | afk |
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| 05:16.36 | ameyer | well, above 128 kbps, it doesn't matter much ;) |
| 05:16.44 | pipeline | ameyer: on the contrary, it matters a whole lot. |
| 05:16.58 | pipeline | ameyer: even on samples that compress well, transparency isn't typically acheived until 192 kbps mp3 |
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| 05:17.13 | pipeline | ameyer: on samples that compress poorly, mp3 and vorbis just fail, period. |
| 05:17.30 | parentheses | only if you dont circulate the vid on irc |
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| 05:18.19 | guillaume1 | nobody as the answer to my last question ? :) |
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| 05:21.11 | s[exe] | what's the command to unmount a partition? |
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| 05:21.19 | s[exe] | oh umount |
| 05:21.26 | s[exe] | thanks anyways :) |
| 05:22.21 | ameyer | pipeline: actually, the last 128 kbps listening test I saw, everything they tested did extremely well |
| 05:22.26 | guillaume1 | again : how can this output can be explained : http://pastebin.com/d4eb4eef |
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| 05:23.25 | ameyer | and whatever the hell archive.org uses to create their 112 kbps ogg files may not be transparent, but it's not screaming "OMG LOSSY COMPRESSION" |
| 05:23.45 | parentheses | the etch installer changes the size of swap based on how many partitions you choose |
| 05:23.51 | parentheses | (seems odd) |
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| 05:25.18 | parentheses | with 6 partitions it gives me 1.5G, with 2 partitions it gives me 74M |
| 05:25.23 | parentheses | 674M |
| 05:25.31 | ameyer | to be honest, I have a large amount of FLAC (200 GB or so), but I'd be ok loading a bunch of 128 kbps ogg files on my laptop for a trip... |
| 05:25.48 | parentheses | I was pretty sure I have a G of ram in there, not a half |
| 05:25.54 | ameyer | mostly due to space constraints |
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| 05:26.21 | parentheses | thats funny, bc the drive is the same size either way |
| 05:26.43 | parentheses | i have to admit i've never known the exact formula for swap |
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| 05:26.53 | parentheses | ive heard 1:1, 2:1 and even 3:1 |
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| 05:27.24 | parentheses | but I would still think it should be the same regardless whether home usr and var are on same or diff partitions |
| 05:28.22 | Nyle | it doesn't matter |
| 05:28.27 | Nyle | swap is ram you wish you had |
| 05:28.31 | Nyle | so just make it as big as you want |
| 05:28.51 | ameyer | in most cases, you can get away with not having much swap |
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| 05:29.02 | thatgu1 | i need the password for the root user on the 64studio live disk, its not root, toor, or password... and i cant install mixxx without it |
| 05:29.19 | Nyle | thatgu1: why ask here? |
| 05:29.23 | Nyle | this is #debian |
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| 05:29.31 | thatgu1 | nobody in that channel knows it |
| 05:29.40 | Kobaz | i thought this was #freebeer? |
| 05:29.41 | Nyle | try sudo su |
| 05:29.42 | Kobaz | damn |
| 05:29.52 | thatgu1 | and studio 64 is a debian port |
| 05:29.54 | Nyle | thatgu1: doies sudo work? |
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| 05:30.02 | thatgu1 | did it ..then it ask for the pass |
| 05:30.04 | ameyer | somehow, debian's installer deided my laptop with 128 MB of RAM only needed something like 300 MB of swap o_O |
| 05:30.09 | JordiGH | thatgu1: Uh, but we didn't port it. |
| 05:30.16 | ameyer | !ubuntu |
| 05:30.16 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 05:30.18 | Nyle | thatgu1: you are supposed to give sudo your user password |
| 05:30.37 | ameyer | s/ubuntu/Studio\ 64/ |
| 05:30.39 | Nyle | thatgu1: also, you can try to set the root password by sudo su passwd |
| 05:30.47 | Nyle | try ##linux or #ubuntu |
| 05:31.34 | Nyle | whatever |
| 05:31.35 | thatgu1 | oks havent tryed sudo passwd..i tryed passwd....but as soon as i leave the first one blank it moves on.. |
| 05:31.45 | Nyle | !nothere |
| 05:31.46 | ameyer | I only did !ubuntu because I don't think !studio64 would work |
| 05:31.46 | JordiGH | Nyle: Btw, probably better to do "sudo -i" instead of "sudo su". |
| 05:32.02 | Nyle | JordiGH: why so? |
| 05:32.09 | JordiGH | ameyer: There's also... |
| 05:32.28 | ameyer | isn't there a !debianbased or something |
| 05:32.32 | ameyer | !debianbased |
| 05:32.35 | ameyer | !debian-based |
| 05:32.36 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 05:32.38 | Nyle | !based on debian |
| 05:32.39 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 05:32.40 | JordiGH | ameyer: "based on debian" and a funny factoid about ozone being based on oxygen. |
| 05:32.42 | Nyle | blah |
| 05:32.57 | ameyer | !based on oxygen |
| 05:33.00 | Nyle | ozone isn't based on oxygen |
| 05:33.11 | JordiGH | Nyle: Sure it is. It's O_3. |
| 05:33.16 | thatgu1 | *off to ubuntu channel* |
| 05:33.17 | Nyle | yeh, but isn't based on it |
| 05:33.25 | parentheses | I just started a great book today called Oxygen |
| 05:33.37 | guillaume1 | it's snowing into my screen and late so goodbye all |
| 05:33.40 | Nyle | no one took oxygen added another oxygen molecule to it and said hey we go ozone |
| 05:33.45 | JordiGH | Nyle: One of those obscure reasons about "sudo -i". I'm sure someone at OpenBSD has a good explanation for it. Or that someone who coded the -i option to sudo had a good reason to put it there instead of letting everyone do "sudo su" |
| 05:33.52 | parentheses | its by Nick Lane |
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| 05:34.24 | ameyer | I think you expose oxygen to UV and ozone forms or somethinh |
| 05:34.31 | Nyle | I rolled such a tight blunt im having trouble hittin git |
| 05:34.31 | Nyle | heh |
| 05:34.35 | Nyle | damnit |
| 05:34.42 | ameyer | those ionic air purifiers do it too |
| 05:34.44 | parentheses | ameyer is correct |
| 05:35.01 | Nyle | we really need to get off this planet |
| 05:35.02 | parentheses | O3 is formed in the upper atmosphere through the effect of UV on O2 |
| 05:35.02 | Nyle | soon |
| 05:35.13 | Nyle | find something else and stuff |
| 05:35.17 | parentheses | good luck with that Nyle and take me with you! |
| 05:35.35 | Nyle | start to colonize nearby star systems |
| 05:35.40 | ameyer | and in the lower atmosphere through other processes |
| 05:35.58 | parentheses | such as rolling blunts? |
| 05:36.05 | Nyle | what? |
| 05:36.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | all of which are off topic, just like studio64.... |
| 05:36.16 | parentheses | I was kidding on ameyer |
| 05:36.17 | Nyle | quite right |
| 05:36.29 | parentheses | he said O3 is formed other ways |
| 05:36.31 | parentheses | heh |
| 05:36.32 | ameyer | lightning and other similar processes mostly |
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| 05:36.47 | ameyer | anyway, off to bed |
| 05:36.56 | Nyle | dream of good things |
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| 05:38.53 | black_13 | how would i make use of this package repostitory (http://webconverger.com/debian/stable/) in my sources list |
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| 05:41.07 | thatgu1 | sudo passwd worked...thanks very much for the help |
| 05:43.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell black_13 about sources |
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| 05:44.25 | black_13 | Kamping_Kaiser, i get sources.list |
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| 05:44.42 | black_13 | what is the syntax for using this |
| 05:46.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | black_13, as per the message, 'look at man sources.list for the files format' |
| 05:46.32 | Nyle | deb http://webconverger.com/debian/stable/ ./ |
| 05:46.35 | Nyle | there you go |
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| 05:48.54 | Nyle | debian sid, 1.8ghz 512mb, kernel compile stock debian more than 1.5 hours and still going |
| 05:49.00 | zenwryly | how can I get a count of files on a filesystem? |
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| 05:53.50 | Tramp | zenwryly: man find, hint: type f, xdev |
| 05:54.18 | black_13 | Kamping_Kaiser, its what comes url that kills me |
| 05:54.28 | zenwryly | Tramp: ah, ok, I was imagining that some sort of toll could just look at the filesystem metadata and tell me |
| 05:56.02 | Tramp | zenwryly: I very much doubt that any FS does that. Would still have to walk along its Trees or whatever. |
| 05:56.53 | Tramp | zenwryly: probably could tell you, how many inodes are allocated, but that doesn't translate to files |
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| 06:02.29 | zenwryly | Tramp: ah, ok, my misunderstanding then, sorry |
| 06:02.40 | zenwryly | Tramp: thanks for the education :) |
| 06:02.51 | Tramp | zenwryly: np 8) |
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| 06:05.22 | frazras | what is the device file name/path for USB |
| 06:05.39 | frazras | eg: serial is /dev/ttyS# |
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| 06:06.09 | black_13 | deb http://webconverger.com/debian/stable/stable/ ./ the correct syntax |
| 06:06.17 | wols | frazras: depends on the device |
| 06:06.22 | wols | frazras: use dmesg to find out |
| 06:07.05 | sauvin | frazras, what kind of usb device do you have? |
| 06:08.31 | frazras | what I want to do is to use a usb to serial convertor, but the program I use writed to the serial device which I dont have on my laptop |
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| 06:09.07 | frazras | so I want to redirect the data sent to the Serial port to my usb |
| 06:09.32 | liable | kde dependancies can be insane at times |
| 06:10.29 | frazras | I was thinking of creating a simlink from /dev/ttyS0 -> /dev/USB??? |
| 06:10.29 | parentheses | (like gnome dependencies can't??) |
| 06:10.49 | frazras | but I dont know whats the usb device file |
| 06:11.45 | liable | parentheses: no, gnome is just as stupid |
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| 06:14.01 | sf7 | this is odd.. i cant get alsamixwer v 1.0.15 by doing apt-get -s upgrase alsamixer |
| 06:14.32 | sf7 | my source is singapore uni.. should be up to date?? |
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| 06:20.34 | Wyzard | sf7: alsamixer is in the "alsa-utils" package, which is at version 1.0.13-2 in stable |
| 06:21.34 | sf7 | thx |
| 06:22.09 | sf7 | wait so why do i have 1.0.14? i just have a standard debian |
| 06:22.30 | sf7 | alsamixer 1.0.14 |
| 06:22.47 | Wyzard | Are you running stable? Or testing? |
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| 06:23.28 | Wyzard | 1.0.14-2 is the version in testing |
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| 06:24.02 | sf7 | dunno so id guess stable |
| 06:24.20 | sf7 | i used a net-inst cd |
| 06:24.44 | Wyzard | Well, if you have 1.0.14, you didn't get that from stable |
| 06:26.09 | Wyzard | Did you add a testing line to sources.list at some point? |
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| 06:29.21 | frazras | anybody knows how I utilise a library in /usr/lib/ in a program I want to write? |
| 06:29.44 | sauvin | I expect everybody who's ever used a lib knows. |
| 06:29.48 | sauvin | What lib? |
| 06:29.53 | Wyzard | frazras: Install the corresponding -dev package, which contains the headers (in /usr/include) that you need to compile programs using the library |
| 06:29.54 | black_13 | Kamping_Kaiser, is the following line correct "deb http://webconverger.com/debian/stable/ ./" |
| 06:30.08 | Wyzard | frazras: and when linking, use the "-l" option, i.e. "-lfoo" to link libfoo |
| 06:30.28 | harold | How do I make synaptic automatically remove all of a packages dependencies when I remove the package itself? |
| 06:30.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | black_13, its the correct format. wether that repository expects it is something i dont know - it might want ""deb http://webconverger.com/debian/ stable main" for example |
| 06:30.55 | Pavel | I have a rather strange problem: I want to load a particular module ("visor") at startup. I've added it to /etc/modules . However, after booting, it's not loaded. Using "modprobe visor" works, and does load the module. Any ideas? |
| 06:30.59 | Wyzard | harold: aptitude can do that based on flags that it set when the dependencies were installed, but I don't think synaptic can (yet) |
| 06:31.20 | Wyzard | harold: (This is why I use aptitude rather than synaptic) |
| 06:32.16 | Pavel | harold: I believe you need to create a filter that searches for "orphaned" packages. It's been a while since I used Synapitic --- I just use Aptitude, and it does it automatically. |
| 06:32.23 | frazras | sauvin, Wyzard: its libgsmme its a library to access a gsm modem, how do I know the functions it uses and so forth? |
| 06:32.48 | Wyzard | frazras: Find its website, and/or read the header files |
| 06:32.49 | sauvin | By first doing what Wyzard said: install the -dev package. |
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| 06:33.02 | punsad | how do I find out what rev of debian I'm using? |
| 06:33.26 | Pavel | punsad: /etc/debian_version, I think. |
| 06:33.40 | Wyzard | frazras: Also check whether the -dev package puts any useful info in its directory under /usr/share/doc |
| 06:33.42 | sauvin | I did a cat /etc/issue |
| 06:33.53 | Wyzard | frazras: or there might be a separate documentation package, -doc |
| 06:33.59 | black_13 | Kamping_Kaiser, nope that didnt work |
| 06:34.30 | frazras | Wyzard: the only thing in docs was the changelog |
| 06:34.34 | punsad | hmmm /etc/debian_version didn't match what's in my sources.list. I set sources.list to oldstable |
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| 06:34.43 | punsad | I guess it depends on the mirror I'm using (?) |
| 06:34.55 | Wyzard | frazras: That's fairly normal, and it looks like there's no libgsmme-doc package |
| 06:35.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | black_13, if you look here http://webconverger.com/debian/ the instructions are fairly clear on usage... |
| 06:35.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 06:35.19 | Wyzard | frazras: so you'll have to look on the project's website for its documentation |
| 06:35.34 | black_13 | Kamping_Kaiser, dense i am |
| 06:35.37 | sauvin | I'm running debian 4.0, and understand the latest version is 4.1. What's the best|fastest way to upgrade? |
| 06:35.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | sauvin, no, 4 is it |
| 06:35.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | 4.0r1 |
| 06:36.01 | punsad | sauvin: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade (?) |
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| 06:36.16 | black_13 | Kamping_Kaiser, thanks for the extra set of eyes mate |
| 06:36.21 | sauvin | Heh... what would "upgrade" upgrade to? |
| 06:36.55 | punsad | sauvin: that would initiate the install of the packages. the update just refreshes the package list |
| 06:37.07 | Wyzard | sauvin: It'd install any available updated packages, such as security fixes |
| 06:37.18 | punsad | sauvin: since you are already set to stable, it'll catch you right up |
| 06:37.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | black_13, <insert shameing remarks here> :) |
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| 06:38.10 | sauvin | last time I visited Synaptic, I told it "mark all updates"... it spent a WHILE installing crap, including a new kernel. |
| 06:38.26 | punsad | Synaptic sucks... stick with apt-get |
| 06:38.43 | sauvin | My needs atm aren't so sophisticated, but I understand what you're saying. |
| 06:38.48 | Wyzard | sauvin: There have been a few updates to the kernel since etch was initially released, for security fixes |
| 06:38.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | sauvin, boho. if you had updates, it applied them |
| 06:39.18 | sauvin | Linux minuit 2.6.18-5-486 #1 Tue Oct 2 23:38:54 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:39.35 | sauvin | That look about right for 4.0 stable? |
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| 06:39.49 | Wyzard | sauvin: yep... 2.6.18-4 is what was initially released, and now you have 2.6.18-5 |
| 06:40.04 | sauvin | Kewelie beanies. |
| 06:40.05 | Wyzard | sauvin: That's the current kernel in stable |
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| 06:40.41 | Wyzard | sauvin: and 4.0r1 is just an update of the installer to incorporate some of these updated packages (sort of like a service pack, so if you did a full reinstall there'd be less updates to download after the install finished) |
| 06:41.12 | sauvin | Oh. |
| 06:41.36 | Wyzard | It makes no difference to an already-installed system |
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| 06:41.56 | sauvin | the '486' part of the kernel ID, that's for maximum x86 distribution? |
| 06:42.24 | Wyzard | It's the oldest type of processor supported by that kernel |
| 06:42.25 | Pavel | sauvin: I think the maximum is "686". |
| 06:42.37 | Pavel | Nevermind. Misunderstood the question. |
| 06:42.42 | sauvin | :D |
| 06:42.55 | Wyzard | It'd be a good idea to install the -686 kernel instead of the -486 one |
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| 06:43.03 | sauvin | I perhaps should have said "for largest audience inclusion" or some such. My English sucks sometimes. |
| 06:43.18 | Wyzard | since it may perform a bit better due to taking advantage of newer processor features |
| 06:43.24 | harold | Wyzard, Pavel: How do you create custom views in aptitude? |
| 06:43.48 | sauvin | dunno. Debian so far is (to my experience) blindingly fast. |
| 06:43.48 | Pavel | Wyzard: Only if you have a "686" CPU, which I think is P3 and later... |
| 06:43.57 | Wyzard | PPro and later |
| 06:44.01 | sauvin | AMD Turion here. |
| 06:44.09 | Wyzard | That's definitely 686 |
| 06:44.13 | Pavel | sauvin: Then get the K7 kernel. |
| 06:44.45 | sauvin | I just bop over to Synaptic and tell it "grab the k7 kernel" and it installs all the mods and suchlike needed? |
| 06:44.48 | Pavel | (Assuming Turion is 32-bit --- I don't remember.) |
| 06:44.49 | Wyzard | (Incidentally, VIA's C3 processor is not quite 686 despite being not all that old, but the newer C7 processor is 686-compatible) |
| 06:45.02 | sauvin | 64 bit, but I'm avoiding 64-bit linux for a while. |
| 06:45.27 | Pavel | harold: Not sure. What do you mean? |
| 06:45.29 | Wyzard | sauvin: install linux-image-2.6-k7 and it'll ensure that you always have the latest -k7 kernel (currently 2.6.18-5-k7) |
| 06:45.32 | Gokee2 | How do I set a new resalution for my running xserver using a VT? Some crappy game set my res so low I can`t use my xserver to do it with a gui |
| 06:45.39 | Wyzard | sauvin: FWIW, I've been running 64-bit Debian since January and it's fine |
| 06:45.51 | sauvin | Flash player and all? |
| 06:45.59 | sauvin | Instant messenger clients? |
| 06:46.08 | Wyzard | No Flash, and no browser plugin for Sun Java |
| 06:46.13 | Wyzard | Gaim is fine |
| 06:46.31 | sauvin | If I remove flash from this computer, my girlfriend would remove my joystick. |
| 06:46.44 | Wyzard | Flash, the Java plugin, and Google Earth are the only things I've encountered that aren't supported on 64-bit systems |
| 06:47.04 | sauvin | Oh, I'm sure the odd driver here and there would give you fits. |
| 06:47.11 | Pavel | sauvin: You should use "modprobe joydev". |
| 06:47.14 | Wyzard | not that I've run into |
| 06:47.23 | Wyzard | No problems with nVidia |
| 06:47.26 | harold | Pavel, For example I want a flat (not categorised) list of all the installed packages? |
| 06:47.29 | Wyzard | nor VMware's kernel modules |
| 06:47.31 | sauvin | Pavel: what I said was an elliptical way of saying something else. |
| 06:47.41 | Pavel | sauvin: I know. :P |
| 06:47.41 | harold | Pavel, Or I want a list of all the packages with 'torrent' in the name or description. |
| 06:48.02 | harold | Pavel, Or I want a list of all the packages that have unsatisified recommends. |
| 06:48.08 | sauvin | Pavel, I meant no offence, but as I've said, my English sucks sometimes. |
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| 06:50.28 | parentheses | ridic question but installing Etch, shouldn't you choose 2.6.18-5, or is there a reason 2.6-86 is highlited/default ? |
| 06:50.58 | Wyzard | parentheses: linux-image-2.6-686 is an empty package which currently depends on 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 06:51.05 | parentheses | weird |
| 06:51.06 | Pavel | harold: Fair enough... I can see where those would be useful. Anyway, like I said, I think the custom filter dialog box has an "orphaned" packages checkbox. |
| 06:51.21 | Wyzard | parentheses: It's there to facilitate upgrades, like causing linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 to be installed if such a package is introduced in the future |
| 06:51.31 | parentheses | Ah! |
| 06:51.57 | parentheses | you live up to ur name Wyzard ;-/ |
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| 06:52.14 | Wyzard | since apt only installs new packages if something depends on them, the linux-image-2.6-686 package gets updated with a new dependency |
| 06:52.35 | parentheses | right thats quite sensible |
| 06:53.09 | Wyzard | There's also a linux-image-686, which I guess is for the day when kernel 2.8 is released :-) |
| 06:53.14 | parentheses | oops it did not like 6-686 at all |
| 06:53.28 | Wyzard | No, there's no -6 kernel currently |
| 06:53.31 | Wyzard | just -5 |
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| 06:53.57 | harold | Pavel, Uhm, how in aptitude do I get to this 'custom filter dialog box'? |
| 06:54.05 | aadhi_ | I was wonder if there is a nicer looking initd script for debian (something similar to gentoo/fedora) |
| 06:54.15 | Pavel | harold: I was talking about how to do what you want to do in Synaptic. |
| 06:54.24 | Pavel | harold: I used it briefly when I experimented with Ubuntu. |
| 06:54.58 | harold | Pavel, Those are easy to do in Synaptic (at least the first two). I was asking how to do them in aptitude. |
| 06:55.12 | Wyzard | aadhi_: Ubuntu's "upstart" init replacement is packaged in unstable, though I don't know how usable it'd be since Debian hasn't (yet) made a project-wide effort to support it |
| 06:55.50 | aadhi_ | Wyzard: will check that out...thanks |
| 06:56.02 | Wyzard | sauvin: If you have any kernel modules that you've compiled from source, either manually or with module-assistant, you'll need to rebuild those for the new kernel |
| 06:56.35 | sauvin | Oh, yea, that much is a given. |
| 06:56.35 | Wyzard | sauvin: But the actual loading and using of the modules is the same as always |
| 06:57.01 | sauvin | but everything on this system so far has come directly from Debian repos. |
| 06:57.06 | parentheses | Wyzard- what are the main things Ubu's init does differnt? |
| 06:57.20 | Pavel | harold: I don't think there is a way, unfortunately. You can search for packages by regular expression, but that's about it. |
| 06:58.51 | Wyzard | parentheses: It runs initscripts concurrently so the system starts up faster... aside from that I don't know the details |
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| 06:59.25 | parentheses | concurrently? so you never have any race conditions? |
| 06:59.50 | parentheses | i guess not since it always seems to work |
| 06:59.55 | Wyzard | parentheses: Each service declares which other services it depends on, I believe |
| 07:00.01 | parentheses | ah |
| 07:00.12 | parentheses | one thing that is not working is my Etch install |
| 07:00.23 | parentheses | it is choking on the kernel retrieval |
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| 07:00.37 | Wyzard | Try a different mirror maybe |
| 07:00.44 | parentheses | thats the problem |
| 07:00.55 | parentheses | its not seeing the mirro |
| 07:01.05 | sauvin | Hrm. running the k7 kernel seems a bit slower than running the 486 one... |
| 07:01.11 | parentheses | it cant see the network |
| 07:01.30 | Wyzard | parentheses: That'd prevent it from downloading *anything*, not just the kernel package |
| 07:01.48 | parentheses | right so its only installing from the cd |
| 07:01.56 | parentheses | i think i misentered the subnet? |
| 07:01.56 | Wyzard | sauvin: by what measurement? |
| 07:02.07 | sauvin | Completely subjective. |
| 07:02.11 | parentheses | no that looks fine.... although broadcast looks wrong |
| 07:02.16 | Wyzard | parentheses: oh, if you're installing from CD then you don't need network access to install the kernel anyway |
| 07:02.20 | sauvin | On the bright side, everything seems to work still. |
| 07:02.37 | parentheses | right it is unpacking it from the cd |
| 07:03.05 | Wyzard | parentheses: Assuming you entered your IP and subnet mask correctly, the default broadcast address is almost certainly correct, unless you're on a very weird network |
| 07:03.08 | parentheses | error processing the kernel.deb (--unpack): |
| 07:03.22 | parentheses | err exit status 1 |
| 07:03.31 | Wyzard | Any other messages before that? |
| 07:03.39 | sauvin | Did installing the k7 kernel also cause its corresponding #include files to be installed? |
| 07:03.54 | parentheses | no it looks like it got all the other packages |
| 07:04.02 | Wyzard | sauvin: No, those are packaged separately (install linux-headers-2.6-k7) |
| 07:04.18 | parentheses | then dpkg is adding the kernel |
| 07:04.21 | sauvin | wonderful feedback, wyzard :) |
| 07:04.27 | Wyzard | parentheses: That "error processing the kernel.deb" message is a summary message at the end saying that something went wrong earlier |
| 07:04.35 | Wyzard | parentheses: There'd be another message earlier describing the actual problem |
| 07:04.42 | parentheses | and chokes when unpaccking |
| 07:05.08 | Wyzard | parentheses: but dpkg would print a message when it encountered a problem while unpacking |
| 07:05.08 | parentheses | need to get 0B/1.3MB of archives. |
| 07:05.22 | parentheses | After unpacking... |
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| 07:05.30 | parentheses | Selecting previously deslected... |
| 07:05.41 | parentheses | 8719 files currently installed |
| 07:05.52 | Wyzard | You don't need to type the whole output |
| 07:05.57 | parentheses | Unpacking linux image ... |
| 07:06.04 | parentheses | apt-install: Ok aborting |
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| 07:06.09 | parentheses | oh ok |
| 07:06.18 | rking | do you guys ever see disappearing Gnome panels with xfce4-session? my son's login always loses them. now mine lost the taskbar. nothing mentioned in ~/.xsession-errors, either |
| 07:06.25 | parentheses | I just was saying, I am not seeing an actual error |
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| 07:06.51 | rking | Wyzard: aren't the two used in conjunction? |
| 07:07.02 | Wyzard | parentheses: Check the other virtual consoles -- the installer redirects various types of messages to different places |
| 07:07.10 | Wyzard | rking: No, XFCE has its own panel |
| 07:07.11 | rking | Wyzard: my bad... then xfce4-panel |
| 07:07.23 | Wyzard | XFCE doesn't depend on GNOME (that's the whole point of it) |
| 07:07.27 | rking | maybe that's the answer, then... these panels just vanish unexplained |
| 07:08.03 | parentheses | Wyzard- dpkg is returning error code (1) you wouldn't happen to know what that is...? |
| 07:08.09 | rking | last time i sat there and removed ~/.* files one by one... got rid of almost all of them before the panel came back. then when it did, i moved almost everything back in... and it never went away again |
| 07:08.13 | Wyzard | rking: no idea about that... I haven't used XFCE much, but I've never seen that happen |
| 07:08.15 | rking | very mysterious |
| 07:08.19 | rking | Wyzard: what do you prefer? |
| 07:08.28 | Wyzard | rking: I use GNOME |
| 07:09.04 | Wyzard | parentheses: An exit status of 1 is generally a catch-all -- it means something went wrong, but the number doesn't indicate exactly what it was |
| 07:09.34 | parentheses | thats what i was thinking/saying |
| 07:09.46 | rking | parentheses: if you can't tell from the output, you might want to dive in with "strace". |
| 07:09.58 | Wyzard | parentheses: but there should be another message somewhere printed by dpkg itself |
| 07:09.59 | parentheses | i dont think there is strace in ash |
| 07:10.20 | Wyzard | parentheses: I can't think of any reason why a kernel package would fail to unpack during a clean installation, though, unless it's something like a disk I/O error or a full filesystem |
| 07:10.22 | rking | yeah, i'd not think that it would be builtin to ash. =) |
| 07:10.30 | parentheses | Wyz- thats why i was typing all the leading lines, it doesn't seen to be in there |
| 07:10.59 | Wyzard | parentheses: That's why I said to check the other VTs though -- there might be something on one of them |
| 07:11.34 | parentheses | tty4 is the log that im reading , the others are just ash |
| 07:11.55 | parentheses | is there a way in ash to call up the error? |
| 07:11.56 | Wyzard | In the normal Debian installer? |
| 07:12.01 | Wyzard | Only tty2 is a shell there |
| 07:12.19 | Wyzard | tty3 and up are output from things; one is dmesg, for example |
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| 07:12.47 | Wyzard | Check the dmesg one to make sure there aren't any I/O errors reported |
| 07:13.00 | parentheses | just did |
| 07:13.08 | parentheses | they are in syslog |
| 07:13.08 | Wyzard | and run "df" to make sure you're not out of space (maybe you made a partition too small or something) |
| 07:13.55 | Wyzard | "they are in syslog" -- you see I/O errors in syslog? Or kernel messages in general? |
| 07:14.24 | parentheses | just the errors in unpacking the kernel |
| 07:15.09 | parentheses | and hella DEBUG messages |
| 07:15.11 | Wyzard | You could chroot to the system being installed (it's mounted on /target IIRC) and try to install the kernel .deb manually, to see what dpkg says |
| 07:15.55 | parentheses | looks like there is a dependency problem |
| 07:16.20 | parentheses | but syslog is kinda hard to read with more instead of less |
| 07:16.43 | Wyzard | What's the broken dependency? |
| 07:16.51 | parentheses | tons of them |
| 07:17.08 | parentheses | libpam0g is unpacked but never confirugred |
| 07:17.17 | parentheses | login depends on libpam0g |
| 07:17.31 | Wyzard | ok, so libpam0g failed somehow |
| 07:17.41 | parentheses | pre-depends on libpam-runtime |
| 07:17.54 | parentheses | like i said very hard to read this using more instead of less |
| 07:18.12 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 07:18.17 | parentheses | e2fslibs is unpacked but never configured |
| 07:18.31 | parentheses | predepends on libblkid1 |
| 07:18.51 | parentheses | this is definitely a do over |
| 07:19.15 | Wyzard | You shouldn't be getting bunches of packages randomly failing to install |
| 07:19.20 | parentheses | right |
| 07:19.35 | parentheses | and it should see the network as it seemed to the 1st time |
| 07:19.42 | Wyzard | They might all have some shared root cause (maybe libblkid1 and libpam-runtime both depend on something else that failed) |
| 07:20.08 | parentheses | those were both very late in the list, although i couldnt tell which direction the dependencies were going |
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| 07:20.21 | Wyzard | though libpam0g-runtime doesn't seem to have any dependencies at all |
| 07:20.36 | Wyzard | oops, libpam-runtime, that is |
| 07:20.50 | Wyzard | All it contains is manpages and some config files |
| 07:20.51 | parentheses | oh good, so there is somewhere to start! |
| 07:21.24 | black_13 | how do i list all the currently packages |
| 07:21.25 | parentheses | whatever all the ummet dependencies were, it just wasn't unpacking the kernel |
| 07:21.59 | Wyzard | Well, dependencies aside, if libpam-runtime failed to install, something else is wrong |
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| 07:22.27 | Wyzard | Have you checked whether the partition is full? |
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| 07:23.33 | parentheses | shouldnt be but I did start over |
| 07:23.41 | parentheses | that time I was using the whole 20G |
| 07:23.52 | parentheses | this time maybe we'll go for a separate home |
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| 07:23.56 | Wyzard | hmm, 20GB wouldn't be filled by a fresh installation |
| 07:24.12 | Wyzard | Lack of a separate /home wouldn't cause this |
| 07:24.27 | parentheses | here is the part where it wont accept the dhcp offer and says the network isnt' using dhcp |
| 07:24.31 | sauvin | Debian, base install, I think, barely sucked up three or four gigs. |
| 07:24.38 | Wyzard | If it happens again, chroot in and try to install libpam-runtime manually |
| 07:24.43 | parentheses | even though the dhcp server hears its discover and makes an offer |
| 07:24.49 | Wyzard | The error message you get from that should point to what's wrong |
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| 07:24.59 | parentheses | yes I hope I don't have to chroot to finish an etch install! |
| 07:25.28 | Wyzard | Well, it wouldn't be to finish the install, it'd be to figure out what's wrong so you can fix it before starting over |
| 07:25.37 | sauvin | My debian currently takes up 13 gigs, and that includes getting absolutely NUTS with clicking around in Synaptic AND a newsreader spending too much time in binaries newsgroups. |
| 07:25.37 | Wyzard | (full filesystem, bad disk, etc.) |
| 07:26.19 | Wyzard | I've seen a DHCP client fail to notice offers before, but I don't remember if it was with Debian or Ubuntu |
| 07:26.33 | Wyzard | (It was one of the two, and switching to the other was the workaround) |
| 07:26.39 | parentheses | lol |
| 07:27.01 | parentheses | there is no way i am putting ubuntu on my transmeta tablet |
| 07:27.12 | parentheses | i can just imagine how slow that would be |
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| 07:27.17 | Wyzard | could also be a bad Ethernet cable |
| 07:27.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
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| 07:27.41 | parentheses | oh duh i was entering the gateway for the name server |
| 07:27.53 | parentheses | no wonder it couldnt see anything |
| 07:27.56 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 07:28.34 | parentheses | as you might guess, they are the same on some of my networks |
| 07:28.44 | parentheses | just not this one! |
| 07:28.54 | Wyzard | as they often are on home networks |
| 07:29.21 | parentheses | yes, but on this one I am using an alternate TLD name-server |
| 07:29.36 | parentheses | to serve up alternate TLD spaces such as .blog etc |
| 07:29.48 | Wyzard | OpenDNS? |
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| 07:29.56 | parentheses | yes |
| 07:30.10 | parentheses | Is that what the ORSP uses? |
| 07:30.28 | Wyzard | I've thought about switching to that, but haven't bothered yet |
| 07:30.28 | parentheses | (Open Root Server Project) |
| 07:30.48 | parentheses | so since you are da wyzard should I go for the 6 partition setup? |
| 07:30.58 | parentheses | it is the best right? |
| 07:31.10 | wols | why so many? |
| 07:31.19 | Wyzard | Well, I use a single big partition (aside from a small /boot) with LVM |
| 07:31.30 | Wyzard | but I just use two filesystems, / and /home |
| 07:31.35 | parentheses | everything on a separate partition its the 3rd choice in the etch installer |
| 07:31.47 | Wyzard | I don't really see any need for that |
| 07:31.48 | wols | with 6 partitions you will get a lot of wasted space |
| 07:31.52 | rking | wols: just failure/overfill containment. personally, i go with 3: /, /home, /everythingelse (and then i might symlink something from /home or /everythingelse or vice-versa) |
| 07:31.58 | parentheses | bc you want to be able to deal with / independently |
| 07:32.09 | parentheses | and you don't want home affecting usr or var |
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| 07:32.19 | parentheses | or var affecting usr for that matter |
| 07:32.34 | wols | you said it's a low spec system |
| 07:32.40 | parentheses | actully its suprising you dont see var/log given its own more |
| 07:32.48 | wols | on those systems it's stupid since you already have a small hdd |
| 07:32.55 | wols | so dividing it further is not good |
| 07:33.00 | parentheses | tru dat wols |
| 07:33.09 | wols | to ward against failure there is something called backup. not making different partitions |
| 07:33.12 | parentheses | I am just using / and home on this 20G |
| 07:33.16 | rking | wols: you can always move & symlink |
| 07:33.21 | parentheses | lol wols |
| 07:33.30 | Wyzard | parentheses: yeah, /var/log on my router used to fill up the root filesystem with iptables logs of TCP reset packets due to Comcast's stupid BitTorrent filtering |
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| 07:33.38 | wols | in datacenter it's needed cause then you can minimize downtime |
| 07:33.44 | wols | but not on a personal mobile system |
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| 07:33.56 | parentheses | that was before *everyone* knew about what they were doing |
| 07:34.09 | parentheses | also to call it filtering is a bit mild |
| 07:34.46 | Wyzard | Well, it's a bit different now -- I'm able to seed around 50kB/sec (which is not my full upload capacity), but I still gets lot of RST packets |
| 07:34.48 | rking | Verizon is doing this new, infuriating thing where they answer all failed DNS queries with, "Oh, yes.. that's 1.2.3.4", where 1.2.3.4 is their own server. |
| 07:34.49 | parentheses | faking resets goes a little beyond filtering |
| 07:34.52 | Wyzard | so they may have toned it down a bit |
| 07:34.53 | bzed | the d-i should create LVM volumes instead of partitions... but 6 partitions or so just doesn't make sense |
| 07:35.06 | Wyzard | rking: I heard about that... on FiOS too? |
| 07:35.09 | rking | (so if you try to browse to a non-existent site you get their gay search page) |
| 07:35.14 | parentheses | I imagine they would have toned it down a lot since they got busted |
| 07:35.22 | parentheses | not punished of course but busted |
| 07:35.45 | parentheses | 1.2.3.4 ? |
| 07:35.49 | Wyzard | rking: I'm looking forward to switching from Comcast to FiOS as soon as it's available, so I'm hoping Verizon stops doing that, the way Verisign did with .com a few years ago when the whole Internet got mad at them for it |
| 07:35.50 | parentheses | (arrogant bastards) |
| 07:35.50 | rking | Wyzard: i'm not sure---but it is interesting, they just added FiOS support to my area, and this stupid thing just showed up this week |
| 07:36.02 | Wyzard | If not, that might be my motivation to switch to OpenDNS :-) |
| 07:36.04 | rking | parentheses: no, it's not that. |
| 07:36.10 | parentheses | heard that Wyz |
| 07:36.18 | parentheses | oh ok |
| 07:36.22 | rking | zulu% host asdfsafdsadfdsafsadsadfsadsafdsa |
| 07:36.24 | rking | asdfsafdsadfdsafsadsadfsadsafdsa has address 66.150.2.134 |
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| 07:36.40 | parentheses | 1.2.3.4 is actually very amusing |
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| 07:37.21 | rking | my first thought was, "Oh, that's crafty... i wonder how they managed to not break the rest of DNS, and only hijack web traffic." The answer? They didn't. They broke everything. Now there is no hostname on the entire Internet that has no IP address. |
| 07:37.48 | Wyzard | yeah, that's why the entire Internet got mad at Verisign a few years ago when they did that for all of .com :-) |
| 07:37.54 | rking | parentheses: it might as well be. In fact, they should just take over all non-registered IPs, and use those, too. it's the same thing. |
| 07:38.09 | parentheses | you got that right rk |
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| 07:38.11 | rking | Wyzard: i sent an email to their tech support with no reply. |
| 07:38.38 | parentheses | speaking of, are there actually non registered IPs left? |
| 07:38.39 | parentheses | ;) |
| 07:39.03 | rking | oh, that reminds me... i replaced /etc/resolv.conf with an OpenDNS IP, but now it's back to the one "provided" by DHCP... how do i stop that? |
| 07:39.04 | parentheses | 4.5B doesn't go very far on a planet of 6.5B people |
| 07:39.21 | parentheses | just prepend it right? |
| 07:39.37 | Wyzard | parentheses: http://xkcd.com/195/ :-) |
| 07:39.37 | parentheses | if you prepend it they can't blow it out i think |
| 07:39.53 | Wyzard | parentheses: You can use the "resolvconf" package to add some flexibility to your DNS configuration |
| 07:40.10 | rking | xkcd is so rad. |
| 07:40.14 | Wyzard | You can use that to cause your OpenDNS server to be prepended to resolv.conf, even when resolv.conf changes due to DHCP or whatever |
| 07:40.58 | parentheses | hahaha |
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| 07:41.06 | parentheses | holy krap how did i miss that one |
| 07:41.41 | punsad | long live debian! |
| 07:41.57 | nascentmind | hi. is the ubuntu hard disk issue also in debian? |
| 07:42.17 | punsad | nascentmind: what hard disk issue? |
| 07:42.20 | sauvin | What ubuntu hard disk issue? |
| 07:42.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | nascentmind, no, because debian isnt shipping that kernel |
| 07:42.35 | Wyzard | parentheses: On my (Debian) router I use resolvconf to configure pdnsd (a DNS cache) with the address of the upstream DNS server as configured by DHCP... quite useful |
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| 07:42.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | the power saving mode in ubuntu spins down drives a lot |
| 07:42.49 | punsad | oh.. not this 'ubuntu uses up your hard drive' nonsense |
| 07:42.50 | nascentmind | i am having debian 4.0r0 amd64. |
| 07:42.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | people are having a cry about ubuntu killing lappy drives |
| 07:42.57 | parentheses | thats one way to do it |
| 07:43.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | saw a good explaination of why it was happening too. |
| 07:43.15 | Wyzard | parentheses: and then my real internal DNS server handles internal names, and forwards all other requests to the (static) internal IP of the router, to be handled by pdnsd |
| 07:43.22 | sauvin | I remember reading about that; what I remember of it suggested that premature hard drive demise was theoretical. |
| 07:43.57 | Wyzard | nascentmind: IIRC, many people have pointed out that that only happens if you enable the power-saving option; it doesn't automatically happen to all hard drives |
| 07:44.00 | sauvin | I also remember reading that it was specific to a kernel. |
| 07:44.19 | punsad | I can say that linux inherently gives you very many things you can do with your system and yes you can trash your hard drive quite easily if you don't know what your doing |
| 07:44.20 | sauvin | It also seemed to be specific to a particular brand of hard drive. Google for it. |
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| 07:44.32 | nunyerb | sup all |
| 07:45.02 | sauvin | (this is actually one of the beautiful things about linux. Don't like the kernel? Find or build another!) |
| 07:45.08 | nunyerb | does linux (any distro) have something similar to "uniflash" for windows....it lets you use a network card with an empty eeprom socket to flash firmware into flashroms |
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| 07:48.00 | wols | en1gma: uniflash doesn't work in windows |
| 07:48.02 | wols | it cannot |
| 07:48.23 | wols | and neither can it work in linux |
| 07:48.27 | en1gma | well i mean in dos |
| 07:48.32 | wols | no it cannot |
| 07:48.49 | en1gma | what do you mean it cant work in that enviroment |
| 07:49.07 | wols | it cannot work in any protected mode that linux or windows use ever |
| 07:49.20 | en1gma | i wa just using it |
| 07:49.21 | wols | it must be real mode |
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| 07:49.26 | en1gma | i mean dos |
| 07:49.33 | en1gma | not dos emu |
| 07:49.43 | Wyzard | en1gma: DOS isn't a protected-mode OS |
| 07:49.46 | Wyzard | Windows and Linux both are |
| 07:49.48 | wols | I know. and this is why it cannot ever work in windows or linux, ever |
| 07:49.51 | en1gma | i said dos |
| 07:50.06 | parentheses | btw Wyz, install kernel ok, chalking it up to nw misconfig |
| 07:50.09 | en1gma | "[01:47] <en1gma> well i mean in dos" |
| 07:50.11 | Wyzard | so you have your answer |
| 07:50.12 | wols | you said windows and I told you such a util can only work in DOS so never ever in linux |
| 07:50.17 | wols | but then, it's sunday monring |
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| 07:50.21 | en1gma | :) |
| 07:50.26 | en1gma | well it does seam like you know alot |
| 07:50.36 | en1gma | so linux runs in protected mode too? |
| 07:50.42 | Wyzard | All modern OSes do |
| 07:50.45 | wols | someone must balance for you. a tall task I assure you |
| 07:51.05 | Wyzard | Linux, BSD, Windows, OSX, etc. |
| 07:51.09 | en1gma | wols have you used uniflash before? |
| 07:51.14 | parentheses | as long as you remember to pay Vinnie, Linux will be "protected" |
| 07:51.19 | en1gma | :) |
| 07:51.23 | en1gma | the mob |
| 07:51.33 | parentheses | Or haven't you heard of the LinuxMafia/ |
| 07:51.33 | en1gma | tax time? |
| 07:51.34 | parentheses | ? |
| 07:51.40 | en1gma | oh yea |
| 07:51.53 | wols | Wyzard: http://elks.sourceforge.net/ :) |
| 07:52.21 | en1gma | well i been playing with uniflash and its not working right or maybe im just not waiting long enough for it to read the info off the chip |
| 07:52.26 | en1gma | i waited like 20mins |
| 07:52.37 | en1gma | i think the flashrom chip is only 128KB |
| 07:53.06 | en1gma | it most likely is hanging when trying to read chip |
| 07:53.17 | en1gma | man i want to do this shit so bad |
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| 07:53.50 | en1gma | wols then how does freebios/linuxbios work |
| 07:53.56 | en1gma | it programs the flashrom |
| 07:54.16 | en1gma | done in dos prob |
| 07:54.40 | Wyzard | en1gma: I haven't used those, but I'd assume they're installed using the motherboard manufacturer's normal BIOS flash tool |
| 07:54.47 | Wyzard | (which runs in DOS, yes) |
| 07:55.03 | en1gma | ok i get ya...i always wondered what that "real world dos mode was" |
| 07:55.04 | Wyzard | (or in some cases is built into the BIOS itself) |
| 07:55.13 | utopia | im trying to install the latest version of wine from the respo but the version listed is ancient is there a way to install a more up to date version fo wine from aptitude? |
| 07:55.26 | utopia | im using etch |
| 07:55.33 | en1gma | basically real world dos mode = unprotected os |
| 07:55.45 | Wyzard | utopia: There's no newer Debian-supported version in etch |
| 07:56.09 | Wyzard | utopia: I've heard that winehq has unofficial packages, which you could try your luck with, but they're not supported by Debian |
| 07:56.25 | utopia | Wyzard, so i cant download the latest wine from the respo's? |
| 07:56.45 | valdyn | utopia: winehq.com offers debian packages. I don't like that one though. You can backport sids wine package aswell |
| 07:57.01 | Wyzard | utopia: Check backports.org |
| 07:57.23 | Wyzard | utopia: If it's not there, testing/unstable probably have a newer version, but you should know what you're doing before installing stuff from testing/unstable |
| 07:57.53 | utopia | i have, deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list but it isnt doing anything for me |
| 07:57.59 | utopia | ah |
| 07:58.00 | utopia | etch |
| 07:58.04 | utopia | it should be sid? |
| 07:58.11 | valdyn | hell no |
| 07:58.16 | Wyzard | no, etch-backports is right |
| 07:58.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | utopia, read their instructions |
| 07:58.34 | Wyzard | btw, "repo" is short for "repository"... it's not "respo" |
| 07:58.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | you need to specifiy -t etch-backports |
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| 07:59.53 | Wyzard | looks like etch has wine 0.9.25, etch-backports has 0.9.34, and testing/unstable have 0.9.44 |
| 07:59.54 | utopia | eire:/etc/apt# aptitude -t etch-backports show wine |
| 07:59.54 | utopia | Unable to find an archive "etch-backports" for the package "wine" |
| 07:59.55 | utopia | =( |
| 08:00.05 | klhrevolutionist | ok, i did an upgrade.. |
| 08:00.18 | valdyn | utopia: that's ok, guess wine is not on backports.org |
| 08:00.22 | Wyzard | utopia: Have you done "apt-get update" after adding that line to sources.list? |
| 08:00.24 | klhrevolutionist | and upon reboot grub is still looking for the old kernel |
| 08:00.31 | utopia | Wyzard, i have 0.9.46 listed and yah |
| 08:00.35 | klhrevolutionist | I updated my menu.lst |
| 08:00.46 | Wyzard | utopia: Where do you see 0.9.46 listed? |
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| 08:00.54 | utopia | Wyzard, on aptitude show |
| 08:00.58 | utopia | 0.9.46~ |
| 08:01.09 | Wyzard | valdyn: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/wine -- that refers to the package from backports.org, right? |
| 08:01.10 | valdyn | that's newer than lenny |
| 08:01.10 | utopia | but .46 is pretty old |
| 08:01.28 | valdyn | utopia: you think that software that is very few months old is "old" ? |
| 08:01.42 | Wyzard | utopia: 0.9.46 is not a version that's packaged by Debian... what source is that from? |
| 08:01.46 | valdyn | utopia: windows xp is from the stoneage then? |
| 08:01.50 | klhrevolutionist | any thought regarding my issue ? |
| 08:02.02 | valdyn | klhrevolutionist: not without seeing details |
| 08:02.09 | utopia | valdyn, considering the latest release is 0.9.49 yah i do think its old |
| 08:02.17 | klhrevolutionist | error 15: file not found |
| 08:02.27 | utopia | its three releases behind |
| 08:02.28 | valdyn | utopia: they do a release weekly or biweekly |
| 08:02.37 | klhrevolutionist | grub is still looking for the old kernel even though I have updated my menu.list |
| 08:02.42 | utopia | not really |
| 08:02.52 | utopia | every two/three weeks |
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| 08:03.15 | valdyn | utopia: you are free to remove debians wine stuf and use the packages from winehq.com |
| 08:03.15 | Wyzard | utopia: Looks to me like it's three minor revisions behind |
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| 08:03.30 | valdyn | utopia: but wine releases aren't really high quality, obviously at that release cycle |
| 08:04.15 | utopia | Wyzard, "minor" revisions can be the difference between a program working or not |
| 08:04.28 | utopia | so thats why i want the latest release |
| 08:05.09 | Wyzard | utopia: Well, your choice is between using the unsupported latest version with the latest bugs, and the Debian-supported version which has been tested and found to not have any major flaws |
| 08:05.25 | wols | Wyzard: winehq debs use 0.9.44... |
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| 08:05.56 | Wyzard | Well, 0.9.49 can't be that important if even the wine developers haven't bothered updating their own package :-) |
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| 08:06.37 | valdyn | winehq debs are 0.9.49 |
| 08:07.10 | valdyn | http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/pool/main/w/wine/wine_0.9.49~winehq0~debian~4.0-1_amd64.deb |
| 08:07.12 | rvalles | :P |
| 08:07.30 | rvalles | wine releases every 15 days anyways |
| 08:08.02 | wols | valdyn: Version: 0.9.44~winehq0~debian~4.0-1 for i386 here |
| 08:08.15 | valdyn | http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/pool/main/w/wine/wine_0.9.49~winehq0~debian~4.0-1_i386.deb |
| 08:08.21 | sauvin | wine updates that frequently? |
| 08:08.28 | wols | wtf is my apt-get then doing? |
| 08:08.40 | rvalles | sauvin: yup |
| 08:08.49 | rvalles | and it really doesn't make sense to have an older version |
| 08:08.58 | valdyn | oh, it does |
| 08:08.59 | rvalles | they've sort of adopted some XP methologies |
| 08:09.04 | sauvin | I would expect not, but I don't like going outside the repos. |
| 08:09.10 | valdyn | last timoe i used winehq packages it broke the only program i use |
| 08:09.20 | rvalles | short release cycles and unit tests |
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| 08:09.35 | wols | valdyn: so far, D2 still works. but I doubt it would change :) |
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| 08:09.46 | rvalles | (which IMHO are really good and key methologies) |
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| 08:10.01 | sauvin | Methodologies? |
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| 08:10.13 | valdyn | rvalles: you're comparing apples to oranges either way |
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| 08:10.34 | valdyn | rvalles: as XP is basically in bugfix only mode. |
| 08:10.57 | valdyn | rvalles: oh, eXtreme Programming? |
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| 08:12.46 | sauvin | More like eXtended Pig$h17. |
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| 08:13.33 | rvalles | valdyn: yep |
| 08:13.38 | rvalles | valdyn: you got it. |
| 08:14.39 | sauvin | Oh, I thought you were talking about the M$ OS. |
| 08:15.07 | rvalles | obviously not |
| 08:15.32 | rvalles | if anything, m$ stuff is usually good as example of what not to do |
| 08:16.20 | rvalles | so far I'm really happy with wine |
| 08:16.54 | rvalles | specially since it now runs most of the 東方 games |
| 08:17.17 | wols | rvalles: what is the newest one it runs? |
| 08:17.32 | wols | and: what about the copy protections all have? |
| 08:17.37 | rvalles | th08 |
| 08:17.43 | rvalles | and they have no copy protection AFAIK |
| 08:18.13 | wols | a game without copyprotection? since when? |
| 08:18.19 | rvalles | well, th09.5 (or whatever it's called, "shoot the bullet") sorta runs but it's pointless |
| 08:18.24 | rvalles | wols: since comiket |
| 08:18.37 | rvalles | basically, it's a series of doujin games |
| 08:18.41 | wols | pretty much all games have copyprotection |
| 08:18.42 | rvalles | they're sold in comic markets @ tokyo |
| 08:18.44 | wols | only very few don't |
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| 08:19.05 | wols | at least a list games. last without was probably oblivion or so (bethesda never had protection) |
| 08:19.08 | rvalles | it's made by a doujin group, Shangai Alice |
| 08:19.30 | rvalles | which is basically a single person (ZUN), writing the code, graphics, music, everything |
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| 08:19.50 | rvalles | see http://www.pooshlmer.com/touhouwiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
| 08:19.51 | klhrevolutionist | fixed by chroot & grub-install |
| 08:20.10 | rvalles | and maybe http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=9594 |
| 08:21.12 | Nyle | cd /lib/ |
| 08:21.12 | Nyle | ls |
| 08:21.14 | wols | sorry to say but I don't think this game counts. the amount of users wanting to play it is just a tad small |
| 08:21.15 | Nyle | oops |
| 08:21.24 | rvalles | wols: you'd think so? |
| 08:21.27 | rvalles | wols: how hopeless. |
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| 08:21.46 | rvalles | wols: On it's genre, it's simply a must. |
| 08:21.50 | wols | LCD taste always is |
| 08:22.00 | rvalles | wols: it's just the genre which is a bit niche. |
| 08:22.14 | wols | go to a site like gamerankings and you see what is in demand by the market |
| 08:22.32 | rvalles | wols: boring FPSs. |
| 08:22.44 | wols | your forgot RTS |
| 08:22.52 | rvalles | and maybe MMORPGs lol |
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| 08:23.25 | rvalles | touhou are fun games, fun as in the Good Old Days. |
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| 08:23.46 | rvalles | and hard, unlike most stuff from nowadays. |
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| 08:24.16 | wols | rvalles: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=9432 not tpp ba for wine |
| 08:24.40 | rvalles | wols: ttp ba? |
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| 08:25.23 | wols | but then: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=9320 |
| 08:25.25 | wols | *too bad |
| 08:25.44 | rvalles | yeah, portal |
| 08:25.57 | rvalles | I'll play that one eventually |
| 08:26.34 | rvalles | atm I'm mantaining th06 @appdb |
| 08:26.42 | rvalles | just tried it... no changes in .49 |
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| 08:27.01 | rvalles | hopefully the black background on some text instead of transparent problem will dissapear eventually |
| 08:27.09 | rvalles | not that it affects gameplay at all |
| 08:28.15 | Nemoder | my problem with wine is that when it goes fullscreen my XFCE panel is still drawn on top, makes it hard to do anything |
| 08:28.18 | rvalles | th09 used to work looooong ago, but it's been broken for ages. |
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| 08:28.41 | rvalles | and th10 has never worked, but it was released in august or so. |
| 08:28.55 | Pavel | Hypothetically, if a package installed a file into the /etc directory, and then, some future version of the package never had that file, the file would remain in /etc, right? |
| 08:28.57 | rvalles | Nemoder: I use xfce too and doesn't happen to me |
| 08:29.05 | Nemoder | hmm |
| 08:29.09 | rvalles | Nemoder: latest xfce, latest wine. |
| 08:29.19 | rvalles | Nemoder: I'm using "managed" as WM policy in winecfg. |
| 08:29.23 | valdyn | Pavel: yes |
| 08:29.26 | Nemoder | same here |
| 08:29.42 | Nemoder | it's only certain games that do it like half-life2 |
| 08:29.50 | rvalles | weird |
| 08:30.01 | rvalles | well, I'm gonna play some th08 now :) |
| 08:30.02 | rvalles | later. |
| 08:30.09 | wols | have fun |
| 08:30.19 | wols | and check your enter key. fires way too often :P |
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| 08:34.19 | xingu | is it just me or has sid been on ice for a while now? |
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| 08:34.32 | xingu | not seeing my usual raft of daily updates |
| 08:35.00 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 08:36.55 | xingu | hmm, maybe it's just ftp.uk.d.o that's busted, nov3-4 timestamps a-go-go |
| 08:38.52 | bzed | xingu: read /topic |
| 08:40.20 | xingu | !topicsmite xingu |
| 08:40.21 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon xingu. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 08:41.06 | xingu | thanks, and on behalf of everyone's bandwidth I've just wasted, "duh". |
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| 08:43.33 | linomix | hi |
| 08:43.40 | black_13_ | hello |
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| 08:44.31 | black_13_ | i have just install usplash and i get the following usplash: no usable theme found for 640x480 |
| 08:45.14 | Nyle | when I do 'ifconfig' it tells me that my wireless eth1's MAC is HWaddr 00-90-4B-B1-9F-51-6C-6F-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00. This is too many numbers for MAC. How can I find out the MAC id of my wireless card. ifconfig however, lists the eth0 (wired nic) just fine |
| 08:45.28 | Nyle | whats going on with this long number |
| 08:46.26 | xingu | Nyle: at a guess, eth1 is an eth1394 (ip-over-ieee1394) interface for you. |
| 08:46.44 | Nyle | it is? |
| 08:46.49 | Nyle | its a broadcom bcm43xx pos |
| 08:47.09 | Nyle | 02:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
| 08:47.13 | bzed | Nyle: dmesg | grep eth1 |
| 08:47.34 | bzed | !tell Nyle about bcm43xx |
| 08:47.58 | Nyle | bzed: it is installed correctly and works fine |
| 08:48.02 | linomix | how to connect ssh to a ssh server through an http_proxy |
| 08:48.05 | linomix | ? |
| 08:48.12 | Nyle | I have not yet found out why the mac is so weird |
| 08:48.14 | bzed | Nyle: what's the output of dmesg | grep eth1 then |
| 08:48.26 | Nyle | bzed: a few lines, but what should I look for? |
| 08:48.43 | bzed | Nyle: I jsut wanted to make sure it is the broadcom |
| 08:48.57 | Nyle | it is |
| 08:49.01 | bzed | Nyle: the mac looks like a firewireconnection indeed |
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| 08:49.23 | Nyle | hmm |
| 08:49.25 | bzed | Nyle: I'd just take the first 8 paris of the number then |
| 08:49.29 | bzed | *pairs |
| 08:49.36 | Nyle | 8 or 6? |
| 08:49.41 | Nyle | isn't the mac 12 hex? |
| 08:49.49 | Nyle | or was it 16? |
| 08:50.10 | bzed | 6, you're right |
| 08:50.19 | bzed | hmm |
| 08:50.41 | bzed | I just realized my wlan card has the same weird mac address |
| 08:50.46 | bzed | didn;t have that before |
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| 08:51.05 | Nyle | heh |
| 08:51.13 | Nyle | maybe I could consult #wireless |
| 08:51.18 | bzed | Nyle: but the first 6 pairs are right |
| 08:51.19 | xingu | bzed: even in ip link show? |
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| 08:51.37 | Nyle | bzed: so you figure I should try that? |
| 08:51.39 | bzed | xingu: aah no, there's a real mac address |
| 08:51.50 | bzed | Nyle: use what xingu said. ip link show :) |
| 08:51.56 | Nyle | ok |
| 08:51.58 | xingu | I'm guessing both of you are running foul of udev device renaming eth1394 devices right over the top of the wlan controller. |
| 08:52.05 | xingu | check persistent net rules |
| 08:52.08 | xingu | !pnr |
| 08:52.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pnr is sticky network interface names are set in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules keyed by MAC address (for etherlike interfaces) and various other attributes |
| 08:52.22 | xingu | and make sure it's not doing something unclever, to you. |
| 08:52.58 | bzed | xingu: renaming a device does not change the address |
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| 08:53.00 | bzed | *mac |
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| 08:53.31 | xingu | bzed: it does if you rename an eth1394 device over the top of a 802-like device or vice-versa |
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| 08:54.44 | xingu | bzed: ie, if you start with (bus probe order) eth1=wlan then discover eth2=eth1394 - but udev has been told to rename eth2 as eth1, the result can be pretty. |
| 08:54.46 | bzed | xingu: ah ok. but well, as I'm not having the eth1394 loaded at all, I doubt that had happened |
| 08:55.12 | Nyle | so you guys decide whats going on yet? :) |
| 08:55.21 | xingu | Nyle: check ip link show |
| 08:55.31 | Nyle | hmm, comand not found, what pacakge has it |
| 08:55.32 | xingu | ifconfig should be taken out, beat up, and shot. |
| 08:55.35 | xingu | iproute2 |
| 08:55.37 | Nyle | ok |
| 08:55.38 | Nyle | thanks |
| 08:55.44 | bzed | I think it's just the result of the new wlan stack |
| 08:55.59 | Nyle | I am using opendns servers |
| 08:56.02 | Nyle | anyone use em? |
| 08:56.06 | xingu | I do too, I bet it's not handling device renames properly |
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| 08:56.25 | Nyle | bzed: what wifi nic you have? |
| 08:56.26 | xingu | Nyle: package is actually iproute |
| 08:56.31 | bzed | Nyle: atheros |
| 08:56.34 | Nyle | xingu: i know |
| 08:56.36 | Nyle | xingu: i figured |
| 08:56.45 | Nyle | bzed: chipset? |
| 08:57.05 | Nyle | 3: eth1: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,ALLMULTI,PROMISC,NOTRAILERS,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 link/ieee802.11 00:90:4b:b1:9f:51 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff |
| 08:57.26 | bzed | AR5211 |
| 08:57.27 | xingu | the sooner the old firewire stack and its POS eth1394 device disappear up their own fundament the better |
| 08:57.30 | Nyle | xingu: so it is 00:90:4b:b1:9f:51 |
| 08:57.41 | Nyle | hmm |
| 08:58.08 | xingu | Nyle: so there you go, ifconfig is confused... pope outed as closet catholic, more news inside |
| 08:58.19 | Nyle | you are the fucking man dude |
| 08:58.34 | Nyle | and so is bzed |
| 08:58.39 | Nyle | thanks fellas |
| 09:01.12 | rahul | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....d? |
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| 09:03.18 | xingu | I mean that's a bee's dick over 1ms worth of jitter, depending on whether or not the csma/ca media gods happen to be dancing in your favour at any given instant |
| 09:04.16 | xingu | worse, if you're using sensible sized frames |
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| 09:17.11 | Nyle | rahul: hey long time no see |
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| 09:20.03 | rahul | yeah |
| 09:20.16 | rahul | decapitated.... you hear... ? |
| 09:21.01 | Nyle | yo |
| 09:21.05 | Nyle | its 4:20 |
| 09:21.12 | rahul | yeah |
| 09:21.18 | Nyle | 04:20 < Nyle> its 4:20 |
| 09:21.18 | Nyle | 04:21 < rahul> yeah |
| 09:21.20 | Nyle | nope :) |
| 09:21.25 | Nyle | you lost! muaha |
| 09:21.25 | rahul | heh |
| 09:21.29 | Nyle | so where you been man |
| 09:21.33 | rahul | 04:21 < Nyle> its 4:20 |
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| 09:21.36 | rahul | so there |
| 09:21.47 | rahul | mine is within ms of utc |
| 09:21.54 | rahul | been everywhere |
| 09:22.01 | rahul | went to atlanta for progpower usa |
| 09:22.17 | rahul | after forever fucking kicked ass there |
| 09:22.32 | rahul | the keyboardist they hired two albums ago really made a difference |
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| 09:23.09 | silvius | can i go to a runlevel 5 with a netinstall cd of debian ? |
| 09:23.26 | rahul | silvius: do you think that will do anything useful? |
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| 09:23.38 | rahul | wow |
| 09:23.40 | Nyle | !runlevel |
| 09:23.40 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 09:23.47 | silvius | playing movies :) |
| 09:23.49 | rahul | it really was 4:20 for me |
| 09:23.58 | rahul | silvius: that has nothing to do with runlevels... |
| 09:24.05 | Nyle | yes it does |
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| 09:24.11 | PumpkinPie | Hello |
| 09:24.12 | Nyle | you can't play movies in runlevel 6 |
| 09:24.16 | rahul | heh |
| 09:24.17 | PumpkinPie | how do I disable rtnetlink ? |
| 09:24.20 | rahul | !penixstrike Nyle |
| 09:24.20 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Nyle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:24.23 | Nyle | omg! |
| 09:24.30 | rahul | gmo! |
| 09:24.32 | silvius | okay i change my question |
| 09:24.48 | silvius | is there an xserver include in the netinstall cd ? |
| 09:24.57 | Nyle | no |
| 09:25.02 | rahul | silvius: if you install it |
| 09:25.11 | rahul | silvius: but on the cd is basically nothing |
| 09:25.11 | silvius | yes but than i have to download it |
| 09:25.13 | Nyle | 'if you build it, nerds will come' |
| 09:25.31 | rahul | if you smoke it, you'll forget what to do next |
| 09:25.33 | silvius | in belgium the maximum of an expencive internet connection is 12GB down and up |
| 09:25.58 | Nyle | here its 20 i think |
| 09:26.08 | Eulex | I have no restrictions |
| 09:26.18 | Nyle | why not |
| 09:26.19 | silvius | i go to someone in the netherlands to download the 3 dvds |
| 09:26.40 | Nyle | I download a dvd or two a day |
| 09:26.46 | Nyle | or* |
| 09:26.46 | Eulex | Nyle, I'm in sweden. |
| 09:26.51 | Nyle | so? |
| 09:27.09 | Nyle | something special about sweden and internet speed? |
| 09:27.28 | rahul | how boring |
| 09:27.33 | Nyle | im hungry |
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| 09:27.41 | rahul | Nyle: so you know decapitated is no more? |
| 09:27.46 | rahul | well, for now |
| 09:27.53 | Nyle | doesnt' matter |
| 09:27.55 | Nyle | metal sucks |
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| 09:27.58 | rahul | heh |
| 09:28.05 | rahul | you're fucking schizo |
| 09:28.15 | silvius | can debian 4.0 automaticly configure the same hardware as ubu... ? |
| 09:28.25 | rahul | silvius: you tell us |
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| 09:28.35 | silvius | in a few days :) |
| 09:28.36 | Nyle | I am actually really very hungry |
| 09:28.39 | Nyle | I got paratha and chana |
| 09:28.42 | Nyle | and dahi |
| 09:28.45 | rahul | nice |
| 09:28.52 | rahul | so do I |
| 09:28.54 | rahul | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:29.28 | Sebboh | I thought you said that being hungry was boring, rahul. You seem excited now. |
| 09:29.29 | Sebboh | :) |
| 09:29.33 | Yarou | dahi? |
| 09:29.44 | Yarou | i haven't had that in years |
| 09:30.08 | rahul | Sebboh: you thought wrong, then |
| 09:30.09 | Diafic | I'm off back to bed. Night. |
| 09:30.28 | Sebboh | :( It happens. |
| 09:30.29 | rahul | Sebboh: oh, you got those two reversed? |
| 09:30.45 | Sebboh | so, sweden is boring. Check. |
| 09:30.58 | rahul | no, whatever is special about internet speed is |
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| 09:31.27 | Nyle | dahi is the shizboo |
| 09:31.35 | Sebboh | Yes, yes. Nothing amusing about that interpretation of the statement, though. |
| 09:31.37 | Nyle | and lassi mmm |
| 09:31.41 | Nyle | namak lassi |
| 09:31.46 | Sebboh | Ok guys, ttyl. |
| 09:31.54 | Sebboh | + gals. |
| 09:32.13 | rahul | mother |
| 09:32.14 | rahul | fucker |
| 09:32.24 | rahul | actually, I don't have any dahi |
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| 09:32.40 | ^alien | hello, are there some unofficial .deb repos where i can get newest server soft for example php 5.2.5 ? |
| 09:32.40 | rahul | and my chole is frozen |
| 09:32.54 | rahul | dpkg: backports |
| 09:32.55 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 09:33.04 | Yarou | i haven't eaten indian food since my cousin's wedding |
| 09:33.17 | Nyle | but see right now I have chicken karahi and pulao |
| 09:33.22 | Nyle | yumm yumm |
| 09:33.38 | rahul | hmm |
| 09:33.40 | Nyle | yeh, thats right, I went to my sisters house and got a lot of food |
| 09:33.40 | Nyle | hehe |
| 09:33.44 | Nyle | i can't cook worth a damn |
| 09:33.47 | Yarou | neither can i ma |
| 09:33.48 | Yarou | n |
| 09:33.52 | rahul | yeah, I figured |
| 09:34.16 | rahul | and that way you can get the munchies in peace! |
| 09:34.16 | Yarou | my parents make it, but i only visit them on holidays |
| 09:34.55 | Nyle | o yea |
| 09:35.08 | Nyle | if i go to my sisters house stoned its not very respectful or something |
| 09:35.12 | Yarou | the indian restaurants around here are subpar tho |
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| 09:35.39 | Nyle | rahul: i went to jackson heights on Eid and had some pakistani food, and later I got sick |
| 09:35.42 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 09:38.58 | rahul | heh |
| 09:39.07 | rahul | some of those places are dirty as fuck |
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| 09:39.35 | Nyle | it was supposed to be on of the best ones there |
| 09:39.49 | rahul | yeah, you never know |
| 09:39.58 | rahul | unless you actually look at the kitchen |
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| 09:41.00 | CAiRO- | is there a way to find out the model/type of my ram modules? |
| 09:41.13 | xingu | rahul: authentic bombay spice |
| 09:41.20 | xingu | CAiRO-: dmidecode |
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| 09:41.31 | xingu | CAiRO-: assuming pc arch and new-ish. |
| 09:41.51 | CAiRO- | aha, ok, thanks a lot |
| 09:42.23 | Qantourisc | "kernel headers don't match the linux version you are running" ... running 2.22 and i have both header and kernel installed of ... am i missing something ? |
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| 09:42.53 | liable | the best kitchens i used to see (when i was a gas dude) were filthy as fuck with cockroaches the size of kittens |
| 09:43.06 | liable | Qantourisc: custom kernel? |
| 09:43.11 | Qantourisc | liable: no |
| 09:43.25 | Qantourisc | liable: "stock" from (2-22-k7) |
| 09:43.38 | Qantourisc | sorry: 2.6.22-2-k7 |
| 09:43.46 | liable | Qantourisc: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 09:44.41 | Qantourisc | liable: 'already intalled' |
| 09:45.10 | Qantourisc | "linux-headers-2.6.22-2-k7 is already up to date" |
| 09:45.39 | liable | Qantourisc: odd, paste the make output of whatever you are building to pastebin |
| 09:45.58 | Qantourisc | might be a bug in gspa aswel ... |
| 09:46.05 | Qantourisc | cause m-a does fine ... |
| 09:46.59 | Qantourisc | !webcam |
| 09:46.59 | dpkg | webcam is probably a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
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| 09:48.09 | Qantourisc | ooo |
| 09:48.25 | Qantourisc | can webcamdrivers "take a device in use" even if it doesn't work ? |
| 09:48.50 | Qantourisc | (as in: "is it an issue to have bad usb-modules not suitable for your webcam") |
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| 09:55.46 | Kartoffelsalat | i search an overlay-terminal (it appears when i press a shortcut - it fades in from the upper border of the display) - i think it was a gnome app - but it would be greater if there is something like this as non-kdex/xfce/gnome |
| 09:56.04 | janis | hey there!! I try to install ntfs-3g on etch. So I searched for a guide and the one I found guides me to download 2 files from debian's snapshot archives. The thing is, when I try to install, I receive a complaint about an older version of libc/libfuse that I have installed.. Would unstable solve the problem? |
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| 09:59.31 | valdyn | !ntfs-3g |
| 09:59.31 | dpkg | [ntfs-3g] a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
| 09:59.55 | valdyn | janis: maybe it would, but that's the totally wrong way to solve anything |
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| 10:00.27 | janis | valdyn, so I was downloading a newer package that needed? |
| 10:00.37 | valdyn | janis: how would i know? |
| 10:01.20 | janis | well, of course.. Just that backport thing that confuses me.. |
| 10:01.46 | valdyn | janis: what is confusing about backports? |
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| 10:03.23 | sander_ | Can anyone recommend any filesharing program for debian? |
| 10:03.28 | janis | valdyn, can I add the backports to my sources? |
| 10:03.35 | valdyn | janis: yes |
| 10:04.01 | janis | and it is considered stable, right? |
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| 10:14.37 | massctrl | hi I need the latest apache2 2.2.6 while etch's official is 2.2.3-4, .. in which repository can I find this or how can I get this latest version (without downloading source, compiling, ...) |
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| 10:15.28 | Hoxzer | Maan... backports might be the possibility |
| 10:15.31 | Eulex | massctrl, perhaps backports.org, but are you sure that you really need 2.2.6? |
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| 10:15.58 | n00bular | is there a channel for the wt C/C++ web toolkit? |
| 10:16.17 | massctrl | well, ... good question it appears to be like that. because debian's mod_cache doesn't seems to include the "CacheIgnoreQueryString" directive |
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| 10:19.48 | DawnLight | janis: add the backports only for when you need it and after you install the required packages, remove it from your sources |
| 10:20.11 | janis | I read about this before in a forum. How come? |
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| 10:21.21 | jelly-home | DawnLight: uh, there should be no need to do that. backports repository is set up not to allow automatic upgrade to packages from it |
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| 10:22.04 | DawnLight | janis: backports contains not only some packages that don't exist in stable, but also newer/other versions of packages that are currently in stable. you could find yourself upgrading. i didn't know that, jelly-home, how is that done? |
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| 10:24.00 | jelly-home | DawnLight: a line in the Release file tells apt whether or not the repo is safe to use for upgrades. |
| 10:25.06 | jelly-home | DawnLight: http://backports.org/debian/dists/etch-backports/Release --> "NotAutomatic: yes" |
| 10:25.14 | janis | pitty... I found in backports the packages I beeded, ie ntfs-3g, but it depends on libc 2.6.1 . I only have 2.3.6 and there seems to be no newer in my repositories (which contain the stable officials) |
| 10:25.24 | DawnLight | the whole repo yo say. ok. so i guess its safe now. i'd still leave it commented out when i don't need anything |
| 10:25.28 | janis | So, where do I look next? |
| 10:25.41 | jelly-home | if it depends on newer libc6, it could mean the backport was badly done |
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| 10:26.05 | janis | so the best thing is to compile it myself.. |
| 10:26.09 | janis | right? |
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| 10:26.15 | jelly-home | janis: probably |
| 10:26.21 | DawnLight | but that's strange, because i've used ntfs-3g from backports |
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| 10:26.30 | DawnLight | janis: you have etch? |
| 10:26.34 | janis | yes |
| 10:26.39 | jelly-home | janis: care to pastebin apt-cache show ntfs-3g ? |
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| 10:27.21 | DawnLight | had no problems with ntfs-3g. in fact, i have it installed right now |
| 10:27.41 | janis | !pastebin |
| 10:27.41 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 10:28.53 | DawnLight | janis: my ntfs-3g is 1:0.0.0+20061031-4~bpo.1 and it depends on libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 |
| 10:28.59 | janis | http://rafb.net/p/9nzwS110.html |
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| 10:29.10 | sf7 | is there some tiny util that'll blink an icon in my taskbar when im connected to the net, or something? |
| 10:29.29 | DawnLight | sf7: check out gkrellm |
| 10:30.36 | janis | DawnLight, in which repo does your version lie? |
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| 10:32.04 | janis | of cource, when I mount, I get a l'ibntfs-3g.so.13' not found error.. |
| 10:32.10 | DawnLight | janis: well the ntfs-3g package is from backports but backports isn't in me sources.list currently |
| 10:32.38 | DawnLight | janis: you're not using aptitude, are you |
| 10:32.47 | janis | DawnLight, mostly |
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| 10:33.51 | DawnLight | janis: ntfs-3g depends on libntfs-3g or something like that. aptitude should show you that by marking it as broken |
| 10:34.07 | janis | yes, that's what It does. |
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| 10:34.48 | DawnLight | janis: how did you install ntfs-3g, download it and dpkg -i it? |
| 10:35.33 | janis | DawnLight, yes, that was my first effort. Oh.. So maybe it was left there before I .. before I installed the backports repository you say.. |
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| 10:36.39 | gyges | so here I am in debian with kde, a place I haven't been in quite some time. What should I do with it? what's cool in K besides Kstars |
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| 10:36.49 | DawnLight | open up aptitude and use it to purge whatever ntfs-3g stuff you have installed. then add backports to your sources.list and use aptitude to install ntfs-3g. that should do it right |
| 10:36.53 | jkitchen | kmail |
| 10:36.57 | jkitchen | konsole |
| 10:37.16 | DawnLight | konqueror! |
| 10:37.25 | jkitchen | eh |
| 10:37.28 | jkitchen | konqueror is ok :\ |
| 10:37.34 | DawnLight | kIO |
| 10:38.00 | gyges | i like some konq functions, but historically Ive witnessed it crash way more than ff, so I've used that for years. I |
| 10:38.06 | gyges | whats kIO? |
| 10:38.09 | DawnLight | kde is super if you got the power to run it properly |
| 10:38.22 | jkitchen | kio is the filesystem abstraction layer |
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| 10:38.55 | jkitchen | so you can open sftp:// links and ftp:// links and other stuff in any application with kio support |
| 10:39.00 | jkitchen | as if it were local |
| 10:39.07 | DawnLight | kI/O lets konqueror for example open up an ftp location as if it were local |
| 10:39.12 | DawnLight | !! |
| 10:39.12 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 10:39.29 | Eulex | the problem being 'in any application with kio support' |
| 10:39.44 | gyges | ah |
| 10:40.18 | jkitchen | Eulex: right |
| 10:40.24 | DawnLight | yeah |
| 10:40.31 | gyges | hmm, maybe I will try something else, since these aren't compelling reasons to me. Interesting, definitely, but not compelling |
| 10:40.50 | DawnLight | patronizing kde developer bastards :) |
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| 10:41.13 | DawnLight | gyges: it is super uber. is that compelling enough? |
| 10:41.14 | gyges | ? |
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| 10:41.26 | Eulex | therefore this should be implemented with fuse. and something like libfusi. |
| 10:41.33 | gyges | well... |
| 10:41.53 | DawnLight | the window manager is powerful :D |
| 10:42.04 | gyges | I don't like icons, I'm not big on taskbar thingies, I tend to like a fluxbox/waimea type interface |
| 10:42.11 | janis | thnks DawnLight !! works fine, appart from a warning about my old kernel driver.. |
| 10:42.24 | DawnLight | janis: your what? |
| 10:42.42 | gyges | I have made kde act like that, in the desktop, before, but I don't get yet why i should not jsut run those :) |
| 10:42.44 | jkitchen | Eulex: well, the kio stuff was created prior to FUSE |
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| 10:43.14 | jkitchen | gyges: run whatever you're most comfortable with |
| 10:43.37 | jkitchen | I personally use kde when i'm in linux, but I'm not some kde zealot who's like "OMG UR STUPID IF U DON'T USE KDE LOL" |
| 10:43.54 | janis | DawnLight, I don't think this is convcerning, really, but iwhen mounting, I get a warning that redirects me to http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html#fuse26 . It actually says I have an old kernel driver as I understand it |
| 10:43.55 | DawnLight | yes you are. admit it |
| 10:44.00 | jkitchen | DawnLight: ok, I am :( |
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| 10:44.14 | gyges | yeah I hear ya, thats why I ran fluxbox forever, but I dont want to be missing out on kde developments :) |
| 10:44.56 | Eulex | jkitchen, I know |
| 10:45.15 | jkitchen | fluxbox is definitely my favorite WM, but konsole transparency doesn't work overly well in fluxbox |
| 10:45.16 | DawnLight | gyges: you can set individual window settings. like making a certain application's window always fullscreen or without border or on top |
| 10:45.44 | jkitchen | yea i always removed konsole's window decorations |
| 10:45.53 | jkitchen | all i had was a frame and the tab bar |
| 10:46.17 | gyges | I like making totally transparent terminals, like etern/aterm, nothing but mouse over action |
| 10:46.30 | DawnLight | i have kmail running fullscreen in one desktop |
| 10:47.05 | jkitchen | i also like kde's modularity |
| 10:47.17 | DawnLight | did you try yakuake? |
| 10:47.29 | Qantourisc | is there Xaptitude ? |
| 10:47.31 | jkitchen | for instance, if you're in kate you can open a konsole terminal right there in the window |
| 10:47.54 | gyges | oh that's cool |
| 10:48.10 | DawnLight | Qantourisc: no need. aptitude is fine |
| 10:48.13 | jkitchen | or how kmail is a standalone app, but it's all embedded right into kontact |
| 10:48.19 | Qantourisc | DawnLight: for me yes ... |
| 10:48.39 | gyges | jkitchen: fluxbox: http://www.titanomachy.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=261&g2_imageViewsIndex=2 |
| 10:48.45 | DawnLight | Qantourisc: i didn't find any GUI that levels with aptitude |
| 10:48.55 | gyges | and usually I hide the bottom bar |
| 10:49.22 | jkitchen | DawnLight: nope, i've never tried that. unfortunately I'm not running any linux desktops atm (laptop doesn't like linux for some reason and i'm too lazy to be bothered) |
| 10:49.23 | Sebboh | is there some way to do all the cool things that the kioslaves provide without KDE? Let me rephrase that. KDE rocks for me because of the KIO slaves, and the fact that k* apps (like kate, for example) all work with them.. so I can edit an ftp site in kate no problem. ..Does any other system provide this? |
| 10:49.54 | jkitchen | Sebboh: FUSE |
| 10:50.11 | Sebboh | Ok. Anything else? :) |
| 10:50.41 | gyges | .NET ? |
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| 10:51.19 | DawnLight | i'll get you gyges! |
| 10:51.22 | Qantourisc | jikes the ammount of possible solutions :) |
| 10:51.27 | Qantourisc | 600 ... |
| 10:51.34 | Qantourisc | 9000 |
| 10:51.35 | Sebboh | gyges: no ssh access. |
| 10:51.47 | Qantourisc | after 9000 tries ... i dobut you wil get a solution right ? |
| 10:51.54 | DawnLight | gyges: say, where is that gkrellm theme from? |
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| 10:52.51 | Sebboh | Somebody invented a driver for windows that lets you mount a ssh as a drive in windows.. Performs really well, too. Closed source, though. :( Can't wait until I can take samba off my *nix boxen. |
| 10:52.53 | gyges | DawnLight: unsure, I can check |
| 10:52.59 | Qantourisc | if aptitude isn't able to find a satisfyable answer |
| 10:53.03 | Qantourisc | is there a solution ? |
| 10:53.18 | DawnLight | nah i'll just look, thanks gyges |
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| 10:53.38 | briareus | DawnLight: it's called WireFrame, and it came from that master .tar with all the gkrellm styles |
| 10:53.43 | briareus | :) |
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| 10:54.05 | Sebboh | gyges: that earth view, what is that called; does it have a home page? |
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| 10:54.08 | Idefix | is it possible to print out with which parameters the kernel booted? |
| 10:54.19 | gyges | Sebboh: the commandline is right there in green: explanet |
| 10:54.21 | Sebboh | Idefix: does dmesg help you? |
| 10:54.22 | gyges | xplanet |
| 10:54.29 | Idefix | Sebboh, no is empty |
| 10:54.30 | gyges | that planet rotates under the desktop, Sebboh |
| 10:54.34 | wols | Idefix: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 10:54.50 | DawnLight | gyges: is lovely picture of our planet easy to put up? |
| 10:54.59 | gyges | DawnLight: relatively |
| 10:55.01 | Idefix | wols, thx |
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| 10:55.15 | Sebboh | gyes, is it generated, or, live sat view? |
| 10:55.29 | DawnLight | yeah, thats my next question |
| 10:55.31 | Sebboh | sorry for getting your name wrong, gyges. :) |
| 10:55.34 | gyges | DawnLight: the tricky part was learning how to download the latest cloud imagery every 3 hours |
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| 10:55.52 | gyges | its generated, but the clouds are from real GOES satellite imagery |
| 10:55.57 | gyges | every three hours |
| 10:56.01 | Sebboh | gyges: I used to work with GEOS sats. :) |
| 10:56.07 | gyges | :) |
| 10:56.15 | Sebboh | AFWA.. |
| 10:56.53 | gyges | my new favorite view is putting the moon and the earth in the picture at the same time |
| 10:57.16 | gyges | though you ahve to ignroe reality and decrease the real lunar orbit radius to make it look good |
| 10:57.39 | gyges | otherwise its two small balls on opposite ends of your desktop |
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| 10:57.59 | ImporT | how do i list every package installed on my system? |
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| 10:58.11 | gyges | but its cool, sometimes I can tell its time to go to sleep just by seeing the sunrise is approaching :) |
| 10:58.26 | dutchfish | hey, spacecowbiys, is there a good alternative for garageband in debian? |
| 10:58.49 | ImporT | oh with apt-get |
| 10:58.56 | ImporT | is it apt-cache list? |
| 10:59.20 | dutchfish | ImporT, dpkg -l |
| 10:59.24 | ImporT | aww |
| 10:59.30 | gyges | I thought it was a dpkg comand |
| 10:59.36 | Falle | Hey folks! I would like to know the correct way to disable services that i dont need(for security). Portmapper is one i dont thingk i need. |
| 10:59.44 | pngwn | dpkg --get-selections >file |
| 10:59.51 | Internat | yeah what pngwn says |
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| 10:59.59 | Internat | and dpkg --set-selections; |
| 11:00.01 | dutchfish | Falle, you could uninstall it |
| 11:00.18 | Sebboh | question: what's the name of that satellite that was put very far from the earth, for the express purpose of providing images of the earth in the visible spectrum? It's sitting in the la grange point between the earth and the sun.. |
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| 11:00.24 | DawnLight | apt-cache pkgnames seems to do it |
| 11:00.44 | Falle | dutchfish: yeah, but i would like to know if there is someway to disable it first so i can see if anything breaks. |
| 11:00.47 | ImporT | oh yea another thing what is the diffrence between reiserfs and ext3? is reiserfs faster? |
| 11:01.15 | Falle | dutchfish: is the only way to remove the SXX.portmap link? |
| 11:01.19 | gyges | reiserfs has imploded on me, twice, on important machines. Just my opinion of it, others love it. |
| 11:01.43 | gyges | Falle: I want to know how in debian also, I know how in other distros |
| 11:02.47 | dutchfish | Falle, i believe it was update-rc.d -f {SERVICE-NAME} remove .. something like that |
| 11:02.49 | Falle | I'm new to sysvinit. I'm a slackwarenerd that has turned to the dark side :) |
| 11:02.53 | gyges | some /etc/init.d/something --something |
| 11:03.17 | gyges | maybe a --disable |
| 11:03.31 | gyges | oh, well I guess remove would work:) |
| 11:04.03 | dutchfish | Falle, or just stop it /etc/init.d/foo stop |
| 11:04.11 | dutchfish | Falle, depending on what it is |
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| 11:05.22 | gyges | hmmm, update-rc.d --list would be a cool option |
| 11:05.25 | dutchfish | Falle, if you dont use nfs you can remove nfs-common too before portmap |
| 11:05.34 | gyges | so you could list all the available services and their status |
| 11:05.58 | Falle | ok. i dont use nfs so i'll do that. |
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| 11:07.44 | dutchfish | Falle, just cycle cerfully through dpkg -l |
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| 11:07.53 | dutchfish | Falle, carefully* |
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| 11:09.16 | recover | I want to format a hdd on a system which can only receive floppys. I have successfully booted with the debian floppy boot.img and used root.img to get some programs. Can I format without getting net-drivers and downloading tools? |
| 11:10.10 | gyges | cool question |
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| 11:10.38 | dutchfish | recover, you need the modules for the related filesystem (fs) but if not you get a warning in front |
| 11:10.48 | ImporT | gyges what is reiserfs any how i see it in the list but im unsure if i should check it i always choose ext3 but i would like a little more speed in performance but i dont know if it makes a diffrence. |
| 11:11.29 | dutchfish | !reiserfs |
| 11:11.29 | dpkg | hmm... reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 11:11.40 | gyges | reading about reiserfs made me realy interested, but it was long enough ago I cant remember the technical details, I just know I dont trust it |
| 11:11.54 | recover | do I really need those since I don't want to read anything on the hdd, only format it (wipe it clean), I don't need to create a new filesystem |
| 11:11.56 | ImporT | aww ok |
| 11:12.03 | dutchfish | but i rather would use ext3 as a general purpose fs |
| 11:12.12 | gyges | LOL exactly my experience as dpkg stated |
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| 11:12.50 | gyges | recover: then all you need is dd |
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| 11:13.20 | gyges | if you have dd you are good to go if you are not neading new formatting just a zero or gibberish overwrite |
| 11:13.40 | recover | I tried 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda' but it complained "No space left on device" after three seconds (it can't have been able to complete in that time) |
| 11:14.00 | gyges | sure its /dev/hda ? |
| 11:14.15 | gyges | you can also tell it to be verbose |
| 11:14.22 | dutchfish | recover, yes, but that fine |
| 11:14.35 | dutchfish | recover it does the job |
| 11:14.46 | recover | how can I check which hdd's are on the system? /dev/hda was the only thing I found... |
| 11:15.04 | sauvin | recover, do an ls /dev/hd* |
| 11:15.19 | sauvin | recover, you can find scsi and usb devices by typing ls /dev/sd* |
| 11:15.41 | recover | Ok, I only found hda... but the "No space left on device" error still persist |
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| 11:16.17 | embrik | do you know if I can connect a microsoft terminalserver on debian? |
| 11:16.19 | dutchfish | fdisk -p ? |
| 11:16.29 | dutchfish | fdisk /dev/hda -p ? |
| 11:16.39 | gyges | -p ? |
| 11:16.47 | recover | fdisk isn't available as I have only booted from floppy with boot.img/root.img :( |
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| 11:17.10 | Falle | dutchfish: would'n chmod -x /etc/init.d/portmap stop init from starting the portmapper? |
| 11:17.28 | gyges | sorry, but you are sure its isnt scsi/usb ? |
| 11:17.30 | embrik | do you know about any client programmes I can use to connect to a microsoft 2003 terminaslerver? |
| 11:17.33 | gyges | no /dev/sd* ? |
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| 11:17.53 | dutchfish | Falle, i would not do that, if you stop it as test, and its ok for uninstall |
| 11:18.04 | recover | yea, I'm sure it's hda |
| 11:18.10 | xingu | !tell recover -about dban |
| 11:18.14 | gyges | hmmm, odd |
| 11:18.38 | recover | I'll give dban a try. sounds cool |
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| 11:21.31 | dutchfish | or shred /dev/hda (but not from boot flop) ;) |
| 11:21.57 | `nstuff | embrik: rdclient ? |
| 11:23.08 | embrik | yes |
| 11:24.20 | embrik | but I've been told that we (our school) can not log on to the terminalserver 2003 because we are on linux |
| 11:25.17 | Sebboh | fyi, the satellite I asked about earlier was called Triana, but it was never built or launched because Congress did not approve funding for it, in 2000.. The vote went along party lines (guess). :( |
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| 11:26.34 | xingu | embrik: try rdesktop |
| 11:26.44 | dutchfish | is there any way to boot from usb stick and use squahfs without using casper and rely on stable (etch) only? |
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| 11:28.06 | dutchfish | xingu, hi xingu |
| 11:28.46 | xingu | hola |
| 11:29.19 | recover | dban seems to be working great, thanks for the tip xingu :) |
| 11:29.38 | xingu | de nada |
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| 11:31.11 | runa_ | hi why would somebody chose qingy instead of gdm? |
| 11:31.32 | runa_ | is it lighter only or has some extra features? |
| 11:31.32 | Sebboh | I drew a skull and crossbones and computer with a circle w/ slash around it on my DBAN cd so that my gf wouldn't accidently murder any machines around the house... |
| 11:32.01 | dutchfish | Sebboh, just gone say that, i already trashed one myself with it |
| 11:32.03 | xingu | Sebboh: I just shred them after use |
| 11:32.17 | xingu | Sebboh: ever used a cd/dvd shredder? they're fun... |
| 11:33.40 | Sebboh | xingu: many paper shreaders will take a CD, too, these days. Better, I used a shreader before that would chew up 40 sheets at a time, cross shread. :) There was a protective cover over the on switch... |
| 11:34.15 | Sebboh | s/cross\ shread/cross\ cut/ |
| 11:34.53 | dutchfish | xingu, can you help me out with a setup of usb key (actually its a card) fro booting diskless stations with ssh, i used casper, its working now but casper seams to have a bug when i add user the kernel states user not known to the underlying auth. system |
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| 11:35.30 | dutchfish | xingu, so is there a way without casper? |
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| 11:37.57 | DeathWolf | how do I tell debian to ignore an entry's dependencies altogether? |
| 11:38.03 | DeathWolf | (and forever) |
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| 11:43.51 | JonkoPa | How do I callibrate my monitor for long time working hours? |
| 11:43.55 | ribnitz | heyas all |
| 11:44.00 | JonkoPa | and relax vieuwing ofcourse |
| 11:44.03 | ribnitz | JonkoPa: ??? |
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| 11:44.26 | ribnitz | JonkoPa: LCD or CRT? |
| 11:44.38 | JonkoPa | ribnitz, LCD |
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| 11:46.24 | ribnitz | JonkoPa: LCDs have basically one resolution. Anything else they interpolate/scale to that resolution. So set that resolution. Other than that, since a pixel does not need refreshing as with CRTs, set refresh rate to 60 Hz. |
| 11:46.30 | tarzeau | anyone play sauerbraten? looks rly nice: http://gnu.ethz.ch/garden.jpg |
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| 11:47.31 | ribnitz | JonkoPa: Other than that, all I can say: 15 min break at least every 2 hours. |
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| 11:48.50 | ribnitz | JonkoPa: My LCD is set to 1280x1024x60 |
| 11:49.28 | ribnitz | Other question: do I need to transcode a DVD to remove its region code? |
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| 11:53.37 | dokma | Hi guys and girls if any. I'm trying to setup telnetd on my machine so I can mess with sshd without locking myself out of my dedicated server. So I installed telnetd and it allows me to connect from the dedicated server itself with 'telnet 127.0.0.1' but when I try it from my home box it won't give the login prompt. What gives? |
| 11:53.55 | DeathWolf | alternatively a way to force change the status of a package from rc to ii would be fine... |
| 11:54.16 | chri | is Guillem (Jover) in here somewhere? I don't know his nick. He's the maintainer of dpkg. |
| 11:55.17 | Eulex | why do you need to contact him? |
| 11:55.35 | ribnitz | dokma: looked at /etc/host.allow, /etc/host.deny; besides, restarting sshd does not kill your ssh sessio |
| 11:56.11 | dokma | onto it ribnitz |
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| 11:56.41 | ribnitz | dokma: and telnetd is a really bad idea (password in clear text). |
| 11:57.04 | dokma | just want to make sure I'm not locked out of my machine |
| 11:57.08 | dokma | if I mess up ssh |
| 11:57.15 | dokma | cause I'll be setting it up via inetd |
| 11:57.24 | liable | !maint dpkg |
| 11:58.29 | Jyzygzel- | im trying to do ./configure |
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| 11:58.32 | Jyzygzel- | http://pastebin.com/d3568e1f8 |
| 11:59.22 | chri | Eulex: concerning a conference |
| 11:59.53 | chri | Eulex: I have his email, but irc is faster, and I can't find his nick back in my logs |
| 12:00.02 | jduggan | yo |
| 12:00.07 | Eulex | chri, no idea; I'd mail him. |
| 12:00.08 | jduggan | oops |
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| 12:00.27 | chri | Eulex: thnx for the help |
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| 12:02.20 | Xsss4hell | hi |
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| 12:04.15 | mirak | hello, does anyone manage to make boot on usb stick a Asus A8N motherboard ? |
| 12:04.30 | dpkg | dpkg: Dpkg Developers <team@dpkg.org> |
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| 12:05.47 | Xsss4hell | I have a refresh rate problem! I open system --> preferences --> screen resolution. Set on 1280x1024, ok I set it to 1024X768, 85 Hz (nicely autodetected!), OK. And then the system freezes... The screen resolution is indeed changed to 1024X768, but the refresh rate is 60 Hz. Mouse and keyboard don't work anymore. This happens on any distro, PLEASE HELP |
| 12:06.12 | Marcus_ | hi all. is there a way to populate /dev with static nodes instead of letting udev do this job? |
| 12:06.23 | Xsss4hell | Currently I run: 1280x1024@60HZ my eyes hurt |
| 12:06.25 | ribnitz | Xsss4hell: do you have a CRT monitor, or a LCD? |
| 12:06.29 | Xsss4hell | CRT |
| 12:07.08 | ribnitz | Xsss4hell: is there any setting with 75 hz? |
| 12:07.40 | Xsss4hell | at 1280x1024? no |
| 12:07.44 | ribnitz | Xsss4hell: there is a program called read-edid, that can determine refresh rates. |
| 12:08.35 | Xsss4hell | command not found |
| 12:09.06 | Xsss4hell | and sudo -l says I'm not in the sudoers file.. |
| 12:09.09 | Eulex | !installit |
| 12:09.09 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 12:09.25 | Eulex | Xsss4hell, then setup sudo as you want it. |
| 12:09.42 | ribnitz | Xsss4hell: the package is called read-edid (apt-cache search read-edid |
| 12:09.45 | ribnitz | ) |
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| 12:10.11 | ribnitz | Xsss4hell: use su then... |
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| 12:11.22 | Xsss4hell | apt get read-edid ? |
| 12:11.23 | apt | ACTION fetches read-edid |
| 12:11.47 | tarzeau | ribnitz: not for amd64 |
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| 12:12.08 | Xsss4hell | sorry I'm new to *nix |
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| 12:12.29 | Eulex | !apt-get install |
| 12:12.29 | dpkg | hmm... apt-get install is the command line tool used to install debian packages, run apt-get install PACKAGE to install a debian PACKAGE as root |
| 12:12.34 | ribnitz | Xsss4hell: nothing to be sorry about. Everyone starts at some point. |
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| 12:13.53 | ribnitz | Xsss4hell: There are also "graphical package managers", like aptitude, or synaptic, but they ultimately do nothing else that apt-get install. Just a different frontend |
| 12:14.01 | spx2 | I've just succesfully installed my ati drivers |
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| 12:14.04 | spx2 | and I still can't run fgl_gears |
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| 12:14.24 | Eulex | spx2, define 'can't' |
| 12:14.51 | vzduch | mornin' |
| 12:14.58 | Xsss4hell | ok installed read-edid, but read-edid doesn't start it.. |
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| 12:16.25 | vzduch | I'm considering installing etch.. I found in the Debian installation manual that it's possible to do a netinstall over PPPoE using either the 1st CD or the 1st DVD of the respective set.. so would the KDE 1st CD of the CD set suffice for that if I wanted to install w/ KDE? |
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| 12:16.42 | DawnLight | spx2: how did install ati drivers? |
| 12:16.45 | Xsss4hell | this guy has the same problem as i have but I run debian not ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=338938 |
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| 12:17.05 | Xsss4hell | however howto start read-edid |
| 12:17.14 | phollowme | hi everyone. could anyone help me choose kernel with acpi support for my hp nx6125 notebook? is there any repository with kernel >= 2.6.18? if not what version would be best for debian etch? i dont want to upgrade to lenny. please help. |
| 12:17.46 | Eulex | phollowme, install debian with a 2.6.18 kernel, get a 2.6.22 kernel from backports.org. |
| 12:17.47 | DawnLight | vzduch: i assume it would. do you know how to install with pppoe? |
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| 12:18.07 | vzduch | DawnLight: the instruction is pretty straightforward, I guess I can do that |
| 12:18.47 | DawnLight | if this is a one-time install you can use netinst iso instead of kde |
| 12:18.47 | vzduch | for the record, I'm on Fedora 7 right now and a bit weary about upgrading to F8 due to some strange problems I've heard of |
| 12:18.53 | ribnitz | Xsss4hell: "get-edid|parse-edid"... |
| 12:19.09 | DawnLight | vzduch: welcome to debian |
| 12:19.31 | phollowme | Eulex thanx :) i will google about backports and i'm sure i will find good solution. |
| 12:19.34 | phollowme | bye |
| 12:19.39 | vzduch | thx DawnLight :) |
| 12:19.45 | spx2 | DawnLight: I followed all instructions,got driver exactly for my card from ati site,ran aticonfig wich made a modified xorg.conf and replaced it and rebooted and now I can run the ati catalyst control center,but I can't actually feel my 3D acceleration ... |
| 12:19.52 | hkcat2006 | helli,every one |
| 12:20.02 | hkcat2006 | hello,everyone |
| 12:20.05 | DawnLight | spx2: what instructions? |
| 12:20.08 | Eulex | phollowme, no need to google, I just gave you an url. |
| 12:20.10 | biz | is there a good way to create random filesystems in files? I want to create some 1G containers and format then with different filesystems to find the best fs for my workload, any ideas? currently i'm trying to use dd if=/dev/zero of=CONTAINER bs=1M count=1000 to create them, howto format them now? |
| 12:20.25 | Eulex | spx2, glxinfo. |
| 12:20.55 | vzduch | are there any known repos w/ current kernels from kernel.org prebuilt for etch? if so, it'd save me some work :) |
| 12:20.58 | Eulex | biz, create a loopback device for the image. format the loopback device with mkfs.*. |
| 12:21.16 | dokma | ALL: ALL in /etc/hosts.allow didn't help, I still can't telnet into the machine other than from the machine itself |
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| 12:21.24 | ribnitz | Xsss4hell: http://pastebin.com/defbabf3 for demo output |
| 12:21.24 | dokma | any other ideas what could be blocking it? |
| 12:21.32 | Xsss4hell | this is what it says: http://rafb.net/p/SK9eBw11.html |
| 12:21.35 | phollowme | Eulex i can see it now :) thx |
| 12:21.35 | DawnLight | vzduch: in backports. do you need a newer kernel then 2.6.18? |
| 12:21.52 | vzduch | DawnLight: I'd need at least 2.6.20, for ntfs-3g |
| 12:21.53 | biz | Eulex: I only know of mount -o loop, but how can i create the loop for a regular file? using losetup? |
| 12:21.55 | Eulex | vzduch, backports has a 2.6.22 kernel. is that enough? |
| 12:22.01 | Eulex | biz, yes. |
| 12:22.04 | vzduch | Eulex: I guess that'd do |
| 12:22.10 | DawnLight | vzduch: ntfs-3g works for me with 18 |
| 12:22.16 | phogg | dokma: could be an iptables rule. Could be telnetd is not listening on an external interface |
| 12:22.35 | dokma | phogg: how do I check where is telnetd listening on? |
| 12:22.42 | vzduch | Eulex: do you happen to know if they also have a realtime kernel? |
| 12:22.46 | dokma | I didn't touch iptables |
| 12:22.54 | dokma | so I guess that would be the last to check |
| 12:22.56 | Sebboh | hm. how do I sent ctrl+alt+f2 via krdc? |
| 12:22.59 | Eulex | vzduch, they don't. |
| 12:23.12 | Sebboh | s/sent/send/ |
| 12:23.14 | vzduch | ok, 1 argument for self-building |
| 12:23.18 | phogg | dokma: if it's run via inetd check the netd configuration. If it's running as a daemon use netstat -nlp or lsof |
| 12:23.19 | ribnitz | Xsss4hell: now you can copy lines 38-61 to your Xorg.conf file; comment out the other monitor section, with # at the beginning of the line |
| 12:23.39 | dokma | phogg: it's inetd |
| 12:24.26 | DawnLight | Sebboh: there's a button, i think |
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| 12:24.53 | dokma | telnet 23/tcp |
| 12:24.56 | Sebboh | Dawn, there is! But it expects me to press the exact keys that I want to send.. ;) |
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| 12:25.01 | dokma | that's in /etc/services |
| 12:25.50 | vzduch | and another question.. any known problems w/ installing to a partition on a hdd on a RAID controller (IDE)? I have 3 hdds, 2 on the regular IDE buses, one on the RAID controller |
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| 12:26.20 | phollowme | Another little question. Why Network manager always says that there's no network connection while i'm connectet via ethernet. I don't use wifi. |
| 12:26.28 | Xsss4hell | do you think that my screen will freeze if I change the refresh rate next time? I think I need to reboot after changing the xorg.conf, right? |
| 12:27.06 | phogg | dokma: do not /msg without asking first. |
| 12:27.07 | DawnLight | Sebboh: i don't get it |
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| 12:27.24 | dokma | that's a bit silly don't you think |
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| 12:27.38 | dokma | you can msg saying you don't have time or such |
| 12:27.40 | Sebboh | Dawn, if I press ctrl+alt+f2, I get switched to my console. |
| 12:27.52 | phogg | dokma: iptables -L to be sure no rules could be blocking, even if you did not configure any yourself. |
| 12:28.02 | dokma | ok |
| 12:28.08 | Sebboh | dokma: it's not silly. It's ettiquite. Only spelled correctly. |
| 12:28.23 | DawnLight | Sebboh: ah you are right. beats me |
| 12:28.23 | dokma | really? |
| 12:28.25 | Sebboh | etiquette |
| 12:28.34 | dokma | well he who wrote it is silly then |
| 12:28.35 | phogg | dokma: I have time, in public. Private msgs are antisocial. |
| 12:28.45 | DawnLight | yes, dokma. thats how things go round freenode |
| 12:28.45 | dokma | it's like saying you can't approach a person on the street |
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| 12:28.51 | dokma | you need to ask them first |
| 12:29.04 | phogg | dokma: #debian is a street, a private message is my house. |
| 12:29.15 | Maulkin | See the topic |
| 12:29.21 | Sebboh | Especially in help channels, it's prefered to speak in the channel, so that we can all learn from phogg's wisdom, just by watching. |
| 12:29.23 | gcosmin | hi, how to set my localhost/~user/ work :-??? |
| 12:29.27 | dokma | well I just won't use it then |
| 12:29.38 | dokma | I will not accept those rules |
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| 12:29.58 | gcosmin | where shoud I modify someting on apache.conf or..? |
| 12:30.06 | phogg | dokma: now... are you sure the box you're telneting from cannot be blocking? |
| 12:30.34 | Eulex | gcosmin, mod_userdir |
| 12:30.38 | dokma | well when I do telnet ip 22 I get response from sshd |
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| 12:30.47 | Sebboh | :( There's no more I can contribute dokma.. I believe that you now understand our culture, it's in your hands. |
| 12:30.51 | dokma | or telnet ip 25 same thing |
| 12:30.57 | Xsss4hell | do you think that my screen will freeze if I change the refresh rate next time? I think I need to reboot after changing the xorg.conf, right? |
| 12:31.05 | gcosmin | Eulex: ...can you help me more please? |
| 12:31.05 | dokma | so my home box does try |
| 12:31.05 | phogg | dokma: didn't you say telnet was lsitening on 23? |
| 12:31.13 | dokma | yeah |
| 12:31.18 | dokma | this is just an example that |
| 12:31.20 | phogg | dokma: so telnet to port 23, not 22 |
| 12:31.23 | dokma | something does happen |
| 12:31.27 | dokma | when I do telnet ip 22 |
| 12:31.31 | dokma | or telnet ip 25 |
| 12:31.34 | ribnitz | Xsss4hell: you need to restart X. No rebooting necessary |
| 12:31.40 | phogg | dokma: Ah, I see |
| 12:31.49 | dokma | they do talk |
| 12:31.55 | Eulex | gcosmin, no offence, but the first hit on google for mod_userdir will give you more than enough info. |
| 12:32.02 | dokma | so It should be related to telnet on the receiving part |
| 12:32.08 | dokma | which is the dedicated box |
| 12:32.08 | gcosmin | Eulex: thanx |
| 12:32.14 | dokma | thats my reasoning |
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| 12:33.34 | phogg | dokma: and I believe you said you configured hosts.allow and hosts.deny already? |
| 12:33.48 | dokma | I've only put ALL: ALL in hosts.allow |
| 12:33.55 | dokma | on the receiving machine |
| 12:34.05 | dokma | does something need a restart after that? |
| 12:34.18 | dokma | hosts.deny is empty |
| 12:34.28 | ribnitz | dokma: telnetd/inetd |
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| 12:34.40 | dokma | ribnitz: I'm listening |
| 12:34.47 | dokma | what about it |
| 12:35.01 | ribnitz | dokma: /etc/init.d/telnetd restart |
| 12:35.21 | dokma | no such thing ribnitz |
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| 12:35.27 | ribnitz | if telnet is tarted through inetd, then probably no. |
| 12:35.33 | dokma | it is |
| 12:35.44 | dokma | can't remember in which file is that setup now |
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| 12:35.52 | dokma | but I was looking at it few minuts ago |
| 12:36.03 | dokma | it does start via inetd |
| 12:36.09 | Sebboh | /etc/inetd.conf |
| 12:36.30 | dokma | telnet stream tcp nowait telnetd /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd |
| 12:36.44 | dokma | btw |
| 12:36.52 | dokma | it was installed by apt-get install telnetd |
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| 12:37.09 | dokma | there was no configure procedure |
| 12:37.09 | ribnitz | I am really disappointed; I got a dvd burner that could do 16x dvd burns, but I have not yet found media that supports much more than 8x-10x speed |
| 12:37.25 | gcosmin | Eulex: I cant make it work |
| 12:37.37 | dokma | hmmm |
| 12:37.44 | Eulex | gcosmin, what directives did you add? |
| 12:37.44 | dokma | this starts to look a bit strange |
| 12:37.44 | Sebboh | have you reloaded inetd ? |
| 12:37.51 | dokma | no |
| 12:37.55 | dokma | will do now |
| 12:38.09 | Sebboh | /etc/init.d/*inetd reload |
| 12:38.19 | Xsss4hell | thank you!! |
| 12:38.30 | dokma | it reloaded |
| 12:38.32 | dokma | let me check |
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| 12:38.35 | phollowme | karma +10 for everyone |
| 12:38.36 | phollowme | bye |
| 12:38.46 | dokma | still nothing |
| 12:38.55 | dokma | it stops at Trying 89.149.209.209... |
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| 12:39.25 | Sebboh | grep telnet /etc/services |
| 12:39.27 | hkcat2006 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.28 | gcosmin | Eulex: /home/user/public_html |
| 12:39.53 | dokma | telnet 23/tcp |
| 12:39.54 | dokma | rtelnet 107/tcp # Remote Telnet |
| 12:39.56 | dokma | rtelnet 107/udp |
| 12:39.57 | dokma | telnets 992/tcp # Telnet over SSL |
| 12:39.59 | dokma | telnets 992/udp |
| 12:40.00 | dokma | tfido 60177/tcp # fidonet EMSI over telnet |
| 12:40.03 | Sebboh | hey hey |
| 12:40.05 | Eulex | gcosmin, no, what exactly did you add to your apache config? |
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| 12:40.17 | dokma | yes? |
| 12:40.20 | Sebboh | woah there, use pastebin for large pastes. |
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| 12:40.26 | xand | why are you trying to use telnet? |
| 12:40.27 | dokma | it's not large |
| 12:40.31 | dokma | that's a few lines |
| 12:40.32 | phogg | dokma: tried telneting to port 107? |
| 12:40.35 | xand | it is large |
| 12:40.38 | xand | dokma: no pasting more than one line |
| 12:40.39 | dokma | let me check |
| 12:40.40 | phogg | dokma: >3 is large |
| 12:40.44 | dokma | hehe |
| 12:40.44 | Sebboh | dokma when in rome dude/lady. :/ |
| 12:40.47 | dokma | guys consolidate that |
| 12:40.55 | xand | why are you using telnet anyway? |
| 12:41.31 | dokma | xand: I'll be messing on ssh |
| 12:41.32 | gcosmin | Eulex: I have noting on my apache.config about public_html |
| 12:41.37 | Eulex | I've found use for a telnet server once, and that was when I was emulating amd64 debian on i386 debian, and ssh was too slow. |
| 12:41.40 | dokma | so I don't want to lock myself out of the box |
| 12:41.42 | Eulex | gcosmin, then add it? |
| 12:41.52 | gcosmin | I modify on /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/userdir.conf |
| 12:42.02 | dokma | won't let me in on port 107 either |
| 12:42.13 | Eulex | dokma, why do you think you might look yourself out? |
| 12:42.19 | Sebboh | dokma: this is a remote box????? a shell server? port 23 is blocked, duh. |
| 12:42.36 | dokma | Eulex: if I mess sshd and loose the connection how will I get back in? |
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| 12:42.39 | Sebboh | turn off inetd, try netcat on 23, and see if you can hit it |
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| 12:42.49 | xand | if it times out, it's firewalled |
| 12:42.50 | dokma | it's my dedicated server |
| 12:42.53 | Eulex | dokma, true, |
| 12:43.03 | xand | you'd get connection refused if telnet wasn't running and it wasn't firewalled |
| 12:43.05 | Sebboh | I bet that they still blocked 23. |
| 12:43.17 | dokma | Sebboh: you talking to me? |
| 12:43.21 | dokma | this is my server |
| 12:43.23 | dokma | I'm they |
| 12:43.29 | Sebboh | dokma, ISP. |
| 12:43.44 | dokma | you meen my ISP? |
| 12:43.47 | Sebboh | dokma: xand had a good point. You get timeouts, not connection refused, eh? |
| 12:44.03 | dokma | Sebboh: I didn't wait long enough to time out |
| 12:44.05 | dokma | but yes |
| 12:44.12 | xand | that's a firewall issue |
| 12:44.13 | dokma | it just stands still at Trying ... |
| 12:44.24 | dokma | hmmm might |
| 12:44.26 | dokma | be so |
| 12:44.28 | xand | telnet localhost |
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| 12:44.35 | xand | or telnet the server from itself |
| 12:44.38 | dokma | telnet localhost on the machine works |
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| 12:44.52 | dokma | the port seems to be blocked from the outside |
| 12:44.57 | xand | firewall |
| 12:45.00 | dokma | which normally I want it to be |
| 12:45.03 | dokma | yeah |
| 12:45.03 | Sebboh | dokma, switch telnet to run on 2323 and see if it works |
| 12:45.07 | dokma | seems reasonable |
| 12:45.19 | Sebboh | you can do this via /etc/inetd.conf |
| 12:45.20 | dokma | Sebboh: can you just tell me the file? |
| 12:45.23 | dokma | ahhh |
| 12:45.25 | dokma | tx |
| 12:45.41 | Sebboh | then reload inetd via the /etc/init.d/*inetd reload |
| 12:45.46 | dokma | telnet stream tcp nowait telnetd /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd |
| 12:45.48 | dokma | that the line? |
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| 12:45.54 | dokma | where do I insert the port |
| 12:46.05 | Sebboh | 'telnet' change it to 2323 |
| 12:46.11 | Sebboh | first word |
| 12:46.14 | dokma | ok |
| 12:46.40 | Sebboh | words right there instead of numeric ports are looked up in the services file.. that's why I had you look in it earlier, incase it was altered.. |
| 12:47.17 | dokma | telnet localhost 2323 works |
| 12:47.30 | dokma | telnet 89.149.209.209 2323 does not |
| 12:47.37 | Sebboh | yep, somebody somewhere firewalled 23 so that you wouldn't send your root pass over the wire. |
| 12:47.42 | Sebboh | what? |
| 12:47.43 | Noboru | hi guys |
| 12:47.43 | Sebboh | oh |
| 12:47.44 | Sebboh | ok |
| 12:47.49 | Sebboh | forget what I just said. |
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| 12:48.07 | dokma | this seems very interesting man |
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| 12:48.27 | dokma | I tried to telnet from another box also |
| 12:48.34 | dokma | no go |
| 12:48.36 | dokma | same thing |
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| 12:49.00 | Sebboh | it's gotta be man tcpd .. |
| 12:49.15 | dokma | ? |
| 12:49.32 | Sebboh | but I gotta run. :( check netstat make sure that it's listening on 0.0.0.0, not just localhost (127.0.0.1) |
| 12:49.48 | dokma | how's that done? |
| 12:49.54 | Sebboh | tcpd is the wrapper program that does stuff like allow/deny based on those config files... |
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| 12:50.02 | dokma | I see |
| 12:50.14 | dokma | I can see telnetd is running via tcpd |
| 12:50.15 | Sebboh | netstat -an |
| 12:50.17 | dokma | ok |
| 12:50.45 | dokma | hmmm |
| 12:50.46 | Sebboh | I don't think just altering it to run tcpd directly works. ;) I dunno. |
| 12:50.55 | dokma | I'll have to paste that stuff on pastebin |
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| 12:51.08 | dokma | sec |
| 12:51.40 | dokma | http://pastebin.com/m67792f4f |
| 12:51.51 | dokma | seems like telnet is not listening on 0.0.0.0 |
| 12:52.48 | dutchfish | does debian has special ipv6 packages to implement voip over IPv6, and where can i find more info on this subject? |
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| 12:53.08 | Row_ | Where can I find the etch installer with software raid support in the installer? |
| 12:53.15 | Sebboh | dokma: ls /etc/init.d/*inet* |
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| 12:53.27 | Row_ | I downloaded netinst etch installer and only had lvm support. |
| 12:53.32 | ribnitz | dutchfish: What do you mean VOIP over IPv6? |
| 12:53.46 | dokma | -- /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd |
| 12:53.48 | Eulex | Row_, the installer has software raid support. |
| 12:54.05 | Sebboh | dokma: /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart |
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| 12:54.15 | Row_ | Eulex: hmm, I looked but could not see how to set it up or any mention of it. I wil do a bit of googling :) |
| 12:54.18 | Sebboh | netstat -an|grep 23 |
| 12:54.27 | ribnitz | Row_: What RAID level are you considering? |
| 12:54.34 | Row_ | I jus want to mirror drives |
| 12:54.41 | Row_ | just* |
| 12:54.59 | dokma | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2323 0.0.0.0:* LISTE |
| 12:55.18 | Sebboh | and telnet 89345945.42542whatever 2323 doesn't work? |
| 12:55.23 | ribnitz | Row_: thats fine. I personally had bad experiences with RAID5 in software, though. But that was mainly hardware/user issues |
| 12:55.29 | dokma | ? |
| 12:55.31 | dutchfish | ribnitz, VOIP implemented in an IPv6 net |
| 12:55.36 | dokma | how can I put just any address? |
| 12:55.39 | Row_ | ribnitz: just want basic mirroring |
| 12:55.40 | dokma | from which machine |
| 12:55.45 | xand | how can I get a user to logon to the console automatically? |
| 12:55.48 | Sebboh | dokma: no, your address. I don't know your address. :) |
| 12:55.54 | dokma | yeah |
| 12:56.03 | dokma | thats what I tried |
| 12:56.07 | dokma | telnet dedicatedserverip 2323 |
| 12:56.10 | dokma | from my home box |
| 12:56.15 | Sebboh | that--> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2323 0.0.0.0:* LISTE .. shows that you're listening on all interfaces/IPs. |
| 12:56.16 | Eulex | Row_, http://andreas.scherbaum.la/blog/archives/54-Install-Debian-Etch-on-a-Software-Raid-1-with-S-ATA-disks.html |
| 12:56.19 | ribnitz | Row_: thats fine. Works great; while you do that, LVM (logical volumes) is a great idea too.. |
| 12:56.27 | dokma | it looks like that to me also |
| 12:56.43 | dokma | but still when I try to telnet from my home box it just sits |
| 12:56.50 | dokma | after the trying ip... |
| 12:56.52 | dokma | line |
| 12:56.57 | xand | firewall :o |
| 12:57.03 | dokma | hehe :) |
| 12:57.08 | Sebboh | dokma, ... what is another port that you know works? 25, 22.. what about 80 or something that you're not using but you know works? |
| 12:57.12 | ribnitz | dokma: does ssh from home work? |
| 12:57.18 | dokma | ssh works no probs |
| 12:57.33 | dokma | telnet ip 22 gives response |
| 12:57.35 | dokma | 25 also |
| 12:57.46 | dokma | 80 works too |
| 12:57.52 | Sebboh | xand, firewall nixed 2323? :/ unless it's content aware and hates telnet.. (not bloodly likely, it would also hate IRC and SMTP) |
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| 12:58.16 | ribnitz | Sebboh: why would it hate SMTP? |
| 12:58.16 | xand | try it on a port you know isn't blocked (disable that service temporarily) |
| 12:58.16 | jelly-home | Sebboh: maybe it only allows known good |
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| 12:58.40 | Sebboh | jelly-home: right. dokma, kill some service and put telnet it it's place. |
| 12:58.45 | Sebboh | like 80 |
| 12:58.53 | ribnitz | Sebboh: there is no widely-deployed alternative. |
| 12:58.58 | xingu | jelly-home: rfc3514-compliant |
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| 12:59.06 | jelly-home | ribnitz: you're missing the context |
| 12:59.08 | dokma | hehehe :) |
| 12:59.11 | dokma | crazy idea |
| 12:59.13 | dokma | will do that |
| 12:59.14 | Sebboh | ribnitz: Hi. Welcome to the conversation. :) |
| 12:59.15 | dokma | with apache |
| 12:59.42 | ribnitz | I fell context freee... |
| 12:59.49 | Sebboh | heh |
| 12:59.59 | Sebboh | sometimes a good thing! ;) |
| 13:00.05 | dokma | ok telnet localhost 80 |
| 13:00.11 | dokma | works from the dedicated box |
| 13:00.14 | dokma | now from home |
| 13:00.25 | dokma | works!!! |
| 13:00.27 | dokma | !!!! |
| 13:00.27 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 13:00.39 | dokma | but how? |
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| 13:00.47 | dokma | where do I check which ports are blocked? |
| 13:00.48 | Sebboh | yep, you only have some open ports. portscan yourself to find more, or better: ask your ISP/hosting provider. |
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| 13:01.11 | dokma | dude |
| 13:01.14 | dokma | what a pain |
| 13:01.20 | dokma | will do that for sure |
| 13:01.25 | Sebboh | you're telling me! ;) |
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| 13:01.28 | dokma | amazing grace from you guys |
| 13:01.33 | dokma | tx for all the help |
| 13:01.36 | dokma | I learned a ton |
| 13:01.46 | Sebboh | we all did since we did it in the channel ahem. ;) |
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| 13:02.17 | dokma | yeah |
| 13:02.29 | dokma | nailing what blocks the port will be another pain though |
| 13:02.35 | dokma | how could I tell the difference |
| 13:02.50 | dokma | and since it is a dedicated box I guess that the box provider did not limit me |
| 13:02.59 | jelly-home | dokma: listen on all ports and then scan. |
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| 13:03.18 | dokma | jelly-home: don't know how to do thos things |
| 13:03.24 | dokma | any tutors on that? |
| 13:03.30 | jelly-home | dokma: you'd guess wrong. ISPs have all sorts of dumb default configuration |
| 13:03.33 | dutchfish | netstat -nlp ? |
| 13:03.40 | phollowme | is there any repository with fglrx? |
| 13:03.44 | dokma | netstat -nlp on the dedicated box? |
| 13:03.46 | jelly-home | no, to listen on all ports :-) |
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| 13:04.22 | dokma | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3001 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 31320/inetd |
| 13:04.29 | dutchfish | !pastebin |
| 13:04.29 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 13:04.37 | dokma | this does seem like it is listening on 3001 |
| 13:04.44 | jelly-home | dokma: or just use tcpdump to see which syn packets get through when you do a portscan |
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| 13:05.20 | dokma | darn jelly-home I'm not that good |
| 13:05.20 | dokma | tcpdump is a mystery to me |
| 13:05.22 | jelly-home | dokma: then ask your isp to open a specific port that you need. |
| 13:05.39 | xingu | !info corkscrew |
| 13:05.41 | dpkg | corkscrew: (tunnel TCP connections through HTTP proxies), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0-5 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 13:05.55 | Noboru | does anyone know if i wanna use connlimit ,shall i recompile kernel ? |
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| 13:06.04 | dokma | yeah tunneling might be a shorter solution |
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| 13:07.05 | dutchfish | xingu, got casper fixed, need it to recompile so, its working now |
| 13:07.34 | Noboru | hmmm |
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| 13:07.55 | debian | Hello |
| 13:08.07 | dokma | is there a way to monitor if traffic is comming to a port? |
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| 13:08.21 | Fuwex | hey guys |
| 13:08.26 | debian | Does grub dissapear if I delete the linux partitions? |
| 13:08.30 | dutchfish | dokma, iftop ? |
| 13:08.35 | Fuwex | We had a power outage earlier today, and now I'm having some issues with my Debian server |
| 13:08.37 | dokma | let me check |
| 13:08.57 | ribnitz | debian: depends where you put it.. |
| 13:09.10 | Noboru | does anyone know, the default kernel in etch contains connlimit already or no ? |
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| 13:09.17 | Harley^ | Howdy |
| 13:09.20 | debian | I have windows and werent supposed to instal linux, but i did it anyway, then i messed it up. And now I need windows to work to install debian again. |
| 13:09.28 | ribnitz | Fuwex: what kind of issues? |
| 13:09.49 | Fuwex | first, it wouldn't boot due to a file system error, but I forced it to boot anyway - which worked. I should probably repair it though - how do I check/repair? |
| 13:09.50 | vzduch | debian: seems you need a slap on the fingers.. *gg* |
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| 13:10.06 | Fuwex | Also, there might be a second issue, but I need to check something first |
| 13:10.08 | debian | Can it get fixed? |
| 13:10.21 | debian | It would suck to ask the it nastzi to fix it. |
| 13:10.26 | vzduch | debian: what version of Win? |
| 13:10.42 | Eulex | debian, if you identify the problem and fix it; yes. |
| 13:10.44 | mhall | 'lo I am experiencing some exceptionally strange behavior in Azureus... it comes up in the wrong language but every other program is OK. Any idea why this could be? |
| 13:10.50 | ribnitz | debian: grub probably added win to the list; if it was installed properly. |
| 13:10.56 | debian | winxp |
| 13:11.09 | Fuwex | ok, there's no second issue - just the file system error that needs fixing |
| 13:11.21 | debian | Yes, but hten I messed up debian, and deleted grub so it only displayed error and a number. |
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| 13:11.25 | ribnitz | debian: that shouldnt be too much of a prob. |
| 13:11.32 | vzduch | debian: fetch Windows CD, boot to rescue console, log in as local administrator & execute 'fixmbr' |
| 13:11.58 | Qantourisc | vzduch: the login part it default |
| 13:11.59 | vzduch | debian: and as it looks as if you messed w/ your box in the office or so, you supposedly don't have the admin pwd.. |
| 13:12.04 | mhall | Hmm... that was really weird... for a while it decided to come up in Armenian... *too* strange. |
| 13:12.08 | ribnitz | Fuwex: you can run fsck (-y) on all filesystems. |
| 13:12.12 | dutchfish | debian, boot from xp cd in rescue mode (command prompt) and use fixboot option |
| 13:12.12 | Harley^ | I have debian etch amd64 installed. I am trying to get jpilot to connect to my Palm TX I have the Palm TX plugged into its own USB port but all I seem to get when I try to hotsync is two beeps and nothing more happens. I've read just about everything having to do with USB. Would someone please help me ? |
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| 13:12.17 | Qantourisc | vzduch: you don't really need the admin password |
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| 13:12.24 | Qantourisc | (well not on the setups i have used) |
| 13:12.26 | ribnitz | Fuwex: note that JFS refuses to mount if dirty. |
| 13:12.28 | debian | I acidentaly ran ophcrack and found out what the admin password was. |
| 13:12.28 | vzduch | Qantourisc: to my knowledge you do |
| 13:12.42 | Qantourisc | vzduch: well he asks it, but i never had it reject it before :) |
| 13:12.47 | jelly-home | debian: heh, "accidentally" |
| 13:12.54 | Sano | hi |
| 13:13.00 | Fuwex | ribnitz: I don't seem to be having any actual problems though, once I'm up - the computer just refused to start properly (I had to press Control-D to skip maintenance shell) |
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| 13:13.12 | Fuwex | ribnitz: thanks, I'll run fsck :) |
| 13:13.26 | mhall | debian: riiiiight |
| 13:13.38 | debian | yes, the hd just fell out an into an exsternal hd cabinet that happend to be plugged in to a computer ho was runing ophcrack liv3 cd. |
| 13:13.55 | mhall | debian: what a fortuitous occurrence |
| 13:14.00 | Fuwex | ribnitz: oh, by the way, there's no high probability of losing data when fsck attemps to fix the filesystem, is there? |
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| 13:14.09 | ribnitz | Fuwex: for next time: UPSes get cheaper; use decent file systems (XFS,JFS, ext3 on boot partition).. |
| 13:14.23 | Eulex | Fuwex, depends on how broken the fs is. |
| 13:14.26 | Fuwex | Yeah, I've got ext3 and a UPS |
| 13:14.33 | Fuwex | or, I think I have ext3 |
| 13:14.35 | Fuwex | I'm not quite sure |
| 13:14.48 | Fuwex | Eulex: well, I don't notice any problems though, so I'm hoping it's just a minor issue |
| 13:14.56 | ribnitz | Fuwex: That depends on the filesystem, and what really happened, but generally no. If you are concerned run without -y switch. |
| 13:15.28 | ribnitz | Fuwex: ext3 is pretty solid. (but slow) |
| 13:15.44 | Fuwex | Well, I don't have really have any important data on the partition in question, so I'll run it and see what it comes up with :) |
| 13:16.03 | ribnitz | Fuwex: -y saves a few enters. |
| 13:16.15 | blinx | hey |
| 13:16.20 | blinx | !nvidia |
| 13:16.20 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 13:16.48 | jelly-home | !tell blinx -about selftell |
| 13:16.48 | Fuwex | ribnitz: can I unmount all partitions and still be able to run fsck (or do I need a bootdisk or something? |
| 13:16.49 | Noboru | server:/home/zoe# iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 2 -j REJECT |
| 13:16.49 | Noboru | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
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| 13:17.01 | Noboru | any idea? |
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| 13:17.11 | Sano | talking about hard drives, does anyone have a workaround about bug #426224 ? I don't want to break my HD, and there's still no update available :/ |
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| 13:17.27 | blinx | jelly-home: thx :) |
| 13:17.28 | debian | How can I copy a complete partition from one computer to another? |
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| 13:18.05 | masus | debian: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb1 .. something like that |
| 13:18.22 | debian | What about a complete harddrive? |
| 13:18.34 | Qantourisc | masus: that is a hardisk to a partition ... |
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| 13:18.45 | ribnitz | Fuwex: you can't unmount /boot; and fsck is in /sbin; so you can't unmount / either. |
| 13:19.09 | masus | debian: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb this is complete i think |
| 13:19.16 | Fuwex | ribnitz: if I remember correctly, the error was in /dev/sda4 - which is my /home partition. Now, it says it's busy - I assume it's possible to unmount the home partition while the system is running - how? |
| 13:19.18 | ribnitz | Fuwex: you can adapt /etc/fstab though to run fsck if the fs is dirty. |
| 13:19.18 | blinx | NVIDIA: left KBUILD. nvidia.ko failed to build! |
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| 13:19.40 | blinx | m-a auto-install nvidia <- doesn't work (on debian etch 64bit) |
| 13:19.43 | ribnitz | Fuwex: logout. login as "root". |
| 13:20.00 | masus | debian: i have do it for 1 month ago. complete hd's |
| 13:20.01 | Fuwex | I can't >.< I've made it so I need to login to a normal user before logging in as a superuser |
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| 13:20.17 | Harley^ | uh... I guess not... |
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| 13:20.28 | Fuwex | guess I can disable that temporarily - but it's a long time ago and I can't remember how I did it |
| 13:20.40 | ribnitz | ask the channel.. |
| 13:20.45 | Sano | Fuwex: boot up in single user mode, then |
| 13:20.49 | xored | my aptitude is "hangin" on "wating for headers"..i cant make a update or even install packages..what could be wrong ? |
| 13:20.54 | blinx | how can I fix my problem with m-a? |
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| 13:21.14 | blinx | xored: maybe delete the cache in /var/cache/apt |
| 13:21.27 | Fuwex | Sano: ok, how do I go about doing that again? I rarely touch my linux server (I just set it up and let it run), so my experience is very limited |
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| 13:21.49 | Fuwex | ah, google is my friend |
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| 13:22.22 | xored | blinx: did not help |
| 13:22.44 | blinx | xored: hm |
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| 13:22.54 | blinx | xored: did you delete the pkgcache... file? |
| 13:23.06 | Sano | does anyone has an idea about the bug i mentioned above ? |
| 13:23.20 | masus | !dpkg gnome-core |
| 13:23.33 | masus | !msg gnome-core |
| 13:23.36 | debian | Can I install debian from debian? |
| 13:23.44 | masus | !ask gnome-core |
| 13:23.46 | masus | :) |
| 13:23.49 | debian | On an exsternal hardrive. |
| 13:23.50 | xored | blinx: i deleted the hole /var/cache/apt folder |
| 13:23.55 | abrotman | masus: /msg dpkg foo |
| 13:23.59 | xored | blinx: and recreated archives/partial |
| 13:24.02 | masus | thanks :) |
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| 13:24.09 | xand | debian: install yourself on yourself?! |
| 13:24.16 | Sano | :] |
| 13:24.19 | xand | s/on/from/ |
| 13:24.29 | Fuwex | is the domain name service (bind) supposed to take a long time to shut down when I'm shutting down my computer ? |
| 13:24.31 | debian | No on another hd |
| 13:24.36 | phogg | debian: Yes. It would be difficult. Just install from Debian install media. |
| 13:24.45 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 13:24.45 | dpkg | [debootstrap] <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 13:24.48 | arash | I'm setting up NFS and getting 'fake hostname' errors, where can I set up these dns entries? (my router is currently doing the dns -- no dedicated dns servers here) |
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| 13:25.06 | masus | !gnome-core |
| 13:25.14 | abrotman | masus: stop it .. jesus .. what do you want? |
| 13:25.27 | masus | i cant get the answer :S |
| 13:25.31 | abrotman | to what question? |
| 13:25.37 | masus | gnome-core |
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| 13:25.41 | abrotman | what about it? |
| 13:25.49 | jelly-home | masus: 1. msg the bot 2. that's not a question |
| 13:25.52 | phogg | masus: that isn't a question, it doesn't even have a question mark |
| 13:26.00 | masus | hmmm |
| 13:26.05 | blinx | no one an idea with the problem of m-a and nvidia? |
| 13:26.06 | masus | installation ? |
| 13:26.12 | abrotman | !tell masus about install gnome |
| 13:26.13 | jelly-home | !wayttd masus |
| 13:26.14 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, masus? |
| 13:26.20 | abrotman | masus: is that what you want? |
| 13:26.20 | masus | yeah . thanks :) |
| 13:26.27 | masus | yep |
| 13:26.39 | Jyzygzel- | i need easy mail daemon |
| 13:26.45 | blinx | exim |
| 13:26.58 | Jyzygzel- | ill try it |
| 13:27.09 | h3sp4wn | Jyzygzel-: depends what you need it to do which is the best to use |
| 13:27.19 | xored | there seem to be some problems with debian etch and trac..anybody has an idea or fix ? |
| 13:27.22 | Jyzygzel- | i need to make one account to myself |
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| 13:28.37 | Fuwex | Sano: well, I booted up in single-user mode but I can still only login as a normal user though, before logging into root |
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| 13:29.31 | Fuwex | now, if I could only remember how I enabled this security precaution - anyone happens to know how I might have enabled the following security feature: I need to login to a normal user before I'm able to login to a superuser - in other words, I can't login to the superuser directly |
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| 13:29.42 | Sano | Fuwex: actually, when you choose the 2nd entry in grub menu at boot, you should be in maintenance mode, and only able to login as root (the system only ask for root password) |
| 13:29.52 | Fuwex | Sano, ah, right |
| 13:29.55 | Fuwex | I'll reboot again then |
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| 13:32.41 | Qantourisc | why is it if you run more then stable package conflicts jump out like hell ? |
| 13:32.42 | Sano | guys please, about bug #426224... I don't really want to make my own sysvinit package :( |
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| 13:33.50 | phogg | Qantourisc: Oh, I think I know this one. Is it becaue you are inadequate? |
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| 13:34.07 | phogg | Qantourisc: wait... did you need that in the form of a question? |
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| 13:34.13 | karthik_home | can somebody help me to find where alien is |
| 13:34.21 | phogg | karthik_home: which alien |
| 13:34.28 | Qantourisc | phogg: or is it because i try yo run sid ? |
| 13:34.28 | Maulkin | Lets keep it civil please. |
| 13:34.38 | phogg | karthik_home: or apt-get install alien |
| 13:34.51 | karthik_home | i am using redhat |
| 13:34.55 | phogg | Qantourisc: Congratulations! Youa re a winner. |
| 13:34.56 | Sano | Oo |
| 13:35.04 | Qantourisc | phogg: i see ... |
| 13:35.10 | phogg | karthik_home: so why are you asking in #debian? |
| 13:35.12 | Maulkin | karthik_home: then no, we can't. Contact redhat support |
| 13:35.26 | Qantourisc | phogg: aldo i hope your ironic / sarcastic aswer was still true ... |
| 13:35.33 | phogg | Qantourisc: The answer is that package depends problems exist in non-stable, that is the way it works. |
| 13:35.41 | Qantourisc | i see, thanks :) |
| 13:35.51 | abrotman | Qantourisc: mixing versions of debian is a good way to get a broken system |
| 13:35.52 | phogg | Qantourisc: when there are no more conflicts it becomes stable and we go again (more or less) |
| 13:35.59 | Qantourisc | abrotman: i know :( |
| 13:36.13 | Qantourisc | aha |
| 13:36.29 | Qantourisc | insering a few subversions here and there might do a lot though :) |
| 13:36.29 | karthik_home | Maulkin: i am using redhat... can u help me to find rpm package for alien |
| 13:36.39 | abrotman | karthik_home: ask #redhat |
| 13:36.48 | Maulkin | karthik_home: no. Ask #redhat |
| 13:36.49 | Qantourisc | but that's more work :/ |
| 13:37.00 | jelly-home | karthik_home: for packages unavailable in the distro, try dag's repository: http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/ |
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| 13:37.50 | karthik_home | thanks jelly-home |
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| 13:38.44 | xored | anybody running into problems using trac with debian etch here ( or solved this ) |
| 13:38.49 | Fuwex | Sano / ribnitz: /dev/sda4 is clean now :) Thanks for helping me out guys |
| 13:39.15 | dokma | hey guys, how do I find out the current runlevel? |
| 13:39.32 | flami | !tell xored about anybody |
| 13:39.34 | dokma | heh :) |
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| 13:39.44 | dokma | found a command called runlevel :) |
| 13:39.45 | dokma | hehe |
| 13:39.47 | xored | dokma: runlevel |
| 13:39.51 | dokma | yeah |
| 13:39.52 | phogg | dokma: runlevel |
| 13:39.54 | dokma | just found it |
| 13:40.00 | dokma | was looking around telinit |
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| 13:40.28 | Fuwex | dokma, linux commands are scaringly logical :) |
| 13:40.39 | dokma | true |
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| 13:40.42 | dokma | another question |
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| 13:41.06 | dokma | how do I turn off ssh from starting at boot |
| 13:41.16 | dokma | I've set it up to start via inetd |
| 13:41.22 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 13:41.28 | dokma | tx |
| 13:41.59 | jelly-home | Fuwex: you mean scarcingly? |
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| 13:42.45 | Fuwex | jelly-home: not really - it was a joke, sort of |
| 13:42.53 | Qantourisc | hmm strange |
| 13:43.06 | debian | How do I make windows apper at the begining of grub? |
| 13:43.12 | abrotman | jelly-home: like frighteningly or something |
| 13:43.13 | debian | At the top! |
| 13:43.25 | Qantourisc | conflict ooffice <2.2.1-8 => installed version 2.0.4 ..; i think they mean "conflicts with anything lower then this version ?" |
| 13:43.32 | abrotman | debian: why does it matter? |
| 13:44.02 | debian | Because I have a dubass using the computer, and he can apparetly not use the keyboard. |
| 13:44.22 | dokma | abrotman: update-rc.d -f ssh remove |
| 13:44.23 | dokma | that it? |
| 13:44.47 | abrotman | might be openssh-server .. but something like that |
| 13:44.49 | Qantourisc | is there a way to tell apptitude to find only solution that keep the package i desired to install ? |
| 13:44.53 | dokma | ok |
| 13:45.04 | abrotman | debian: reorder the options in the conf file |
| 13:45.08 | dokma | it worked |
| 13:45.11 | dokma | they're all gone |
| 13:45.37 | debian | Ok |
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| 13:48.30 | abrotman | debian: wouldn't it be easier to change the default option ? |
| 13:48.39 | debian | Yes |
| 13:48.44 | abrotman | so do that |
| 13:49.01 | biz | what can I do if 'sync' hangs with 100% cpu? is it safe to kill it or will there be data loss? |
| 13:49.11 | runa_ | hi on boot i get the connection to internet i mean the boot script does dhclient i suppose. What should i do to remove it? |
| 13:49.14 | debian | That was what I was askingh how to do! |
| 13:49.16 | Jyzygzel- | hey wtf is this exim shit |
| 13:49.32 | abrotman | debian: no .. you asked how to put windows at the top .. say what you mean |
| 13:49.36 | Jyzygzel- | i just needed a little mail daemon |
| 13:49.43 | abrotman | it is little |
| 13:49.48 | Jyzygzel- | its huge |
| 13:49.53 | Jyzygzel- | i just need to receive one mail |
| 13:50.00 | Jyzygzel- | i almost could use tcpdump for that |
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| 13:50.15 | Jyzygzel- | actually im just gonna use nc -p 25 -l |
| 13:50.16 | xand | Jyzygzel-: you need an mta for more than that |
| 13:50.32 | Jyzygzel- | i can reveice the mail with netcat |
| 13:50.38 | Jyzygzel- | then maybe base64_decode it |
| 13:50.38 | abrotman | Jyzygzel-: and what is going to be listening on port 25? |
| 13:50.43 | Jyzygzel- | nc |
| 13:50.44 | abrotman | oh .. duh .. ignore me :) |
| 13:51.19 | Jyzygzel- | i don't need any fancy mail daemons to reveice one mail |
| 13:52.17 | Noboru | hi abrotman :( |
| 13:52.23 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:52.48 | Noboru | abrotman, i need to use this feature named connlimit in iptables to limite connections numbers from the same ip |
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| 13:53.21 | Noboru | but i googled, i need to recompile kernel to apply a patche ? even this patch maybe would not work for kernel 2.6.18 |
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| 13:53.52 | Noboru | abrotman, my goal is only allow 2 connections to the port 80 per IP. |
| 13:53.55 | abrotman | Noboru: i'm sure there's another way to do it |
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| 13:54.02 | Noboru | or any other way to work around ? |
| 13:54.06 | abrotman | Noboru: did you try asking #iptables ? |
| 13:54.10 | Noboru | yeah :) im glad to hear that |
| 13:54.21 | debian | How many ipv6 ips are there? |
| 13:54.24 | Noboru | yes,but there ppls are zzZZzzz |
| 13:54.31 | abrotman | debian: ask google |
| 13:54.41 | xand | debian: more than enough. |
| 13:54.49 | Jyzygzel- | hey wtf |
| 13:54.54 | Jyzygzel- | why cant i bind to port 25 |
| 13:54.56 | abrotman | Noboru: sure .. but they're better qualified .. |
| 13:54.56 | Noboru | abrotman, cuz my kernel came from debian-way of installation ,i would not want to recompile it manually |
| 13:55.02 | abrotman | Jyzygzel-: you're not root |
| 13:55.11 | Jyzygzel- | Can't grav 0.0.0.0:25 with bind |
| 13:55.14 | Jyzygzel- | oh yes i am |
| 13:55.16 | xand | debian: 2^128 |
| 13:55.17 | abrotman | Noboru: i meant that there might be a way other than conntrack |
| 13:55.21 | Jyzygzel- | wtf is this |
| 13:55.29 | Jyzygzel- | "Can't bind" WELL WHY NOT |
| 13:55.33 | Maulkin | Something else is listening? |
| 13:55.35 | abrotman | Jyzygzel-: you have a hyperactive enter key |
| 13:55.40 | Maulkin | What's the exact error message? |
| 13:55.41 | Jyzygzel- | well yes i do |
| 13:55.45 | Maulkin | Oh, and please don't shout. |
| 13:56.01 | Jyzygzel- | "Can't grab 0.0.0.0:25 with bind" |
| 13:56.04 | Jyzygzel- | thats the error |
| 13:56.09 | Jyzygzel- | doesn't really tell anything |
| 13:56.17 | xand | are you root? anyway install a proper MTA |
| 13:56.21 | Maulkin | What else is listening to :25? |
| 13:56.24 | Jyzygzel- | im root |
| 13:56.29 | Jyzygzel- | nothing? |
| 13:56.33 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: it tells something still lingers on the port |
| 13:56.34 | xand | why don't you want to use a proper MTA? |
| 13:56.37 | Jyzygzel- | how can i figure out what is listening |
| 13:56.43 | Maulkin | man netstat |
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| 13:57.01 | beardy | !wiui Jyzygzel- |
| 13:57.01 | dpkg | Jyzygzel-: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
| 13:57.04 | lbt | Hi all :) I'd like to create a mini-distro based on Debian packages - are there any packages to assist me? |
| 13:57.21 | Noboru | abrotman, i see |
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| 13:57.37 | Jyzygzel- | you mean netstat -l |
| 13:57.40 | Qantourisc | ndiswrapper |
| 13:57.43 | Maulkin | lbt: http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
| 13:57.48 | Qantourisc | whoops wrong channel |
| 13:57.50 | beardy | lbt: Why? Just install what you need, bye. |
| 13:58.14 | Jyzygzel- | lsof 25 :-D |
| 13:58.25 | Jyzygzel- | file != port |
| 13:58.28 | lbt | beardy: 'cos I want to allow others to use it for an embedded type system |
| 13:58.36 | lbt | Maulkin: ta :) looking |
| 13:58.41 | Maulkin | lbt: Have a look at emdebian too |
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| 13:58.53 | Jyzygzel- | there is a localhost:smtp |
| 13:58.56 | Maulkin | http://www.emdebian.org/ |
| 13:59.03 | Maulkin | Jyzygzel-: That's it |
| 13:59.03 | Jyzygzel- | i need to shut him down |
| 13:59.23 | Jyzygzel- | yea |
| 13:59.44 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: man lsof and fuser. There's, for example, fuser -n tcp 25 |
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| 14:00.01 | Jyzygzel- | soo lets see: netstat --numeric-ports -l -p |
| 14:00.16 | Jyzygzel- | oh yea there we go! |
| 14:00.27 | biz | and howto umount a device which is busy by an uninterruptible (wtf?) process? i'm unable to kill a sync which is hanging on a loopback device mounted fs.. any ideas? umount -f doesn't work, fuser -k /mnt/point neither, and kill -9 `pidof sync` doesnt do anything |
| 14:00.31 | Jyzygzel- | exim4 is running and taking my ports! |
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| 14:00.41 | Jyzygzel- | i bet its handling local mail |
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| 14:00.59 | Jyzygzel- | i bet its handling local mail |
| 14:01.02 | Jyzygzel- | oops |
| 14:01.13 | Maulkin | It'll do that |
| 14:01.17 | lbt | Maulkin: thanks - both look good. |
| 14:01.19 | Jyzygzel- | yea well not anymore |
| 14:01.21 | Jyzygzel- | it works |
| 14:01.34 | Maulkin | biz: you'll need to wait for the sync to finish |
| 14:01.52 | biz | Maulkin: well it doesnt.. it hangs with 100% cpu |
| 14:01.54 | Sebboh | how do I --purge some config files after I already apt-get remove'd the package? I meant to do apt-get remove --purge package, but I forgot. |
| 14:02.04 | Maulkin | biz: and you're sure it's not doing anything? |
| 14:02.22 | beardy | Sebboh: Just do that, again then. Consider using aptitude from now on instead. |
| 14:02.25 | jelly-home | biz: you can't. you could try lazy umounting to free the mount point, but the device itself will still be in use |
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| 14:02.35 | biz | Maulkin: there's no guarantee i think |
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| 14:02.46 | DawnLight | may i complain here about bootsplash not being in the stock kernel? |
| 14:02.49 | Maulkin | biz: It's probably busy suyncing. |
| 14:02.53 | Maulkin | DawnLight: no. |
| 14:02.56 | biz | it hangs since about 30min |
| 14:03.10 | DawnLight | never mind then |
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| 14:03.14 | Maulkin | biz: If you're making a lot of changes to a slow device, that could happen |
| 14:03.17 | beardy | DawnLight: If you want to be told why it isn't, yes. |
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| 14:03.27 | DawnLight | oh i would like, yes beardy |
| 14:03.33 | Sebboh | beardy, it's a dhcp server.. if I reinstall it, it will start it... We've already put the replacement in place. |
| 14:03.58 | biz | Maulkin: I'll try killing everything to the bare minimum and see if it finishes.. if not, I'll reboot the machine |
| 14:04.03 | beardy | DawnLight: Because it is something that not everyone wants. If you want it, fix it yourself. Defaults are meant to be sane and useful, sane people want to see bootup messages. |
| 14:04.05 | Maulkin | DawnLight: next time, prehaps phrase your question less inflamatory. |
| 14:04.26 | DawnLight | i was joking |
| 14:04.45 | beardy | Sebboh: I didn't mean to reinstall it, I meant to run remove --purge on it again. |
| 14:04.58 | beardy | I wasn't. |
| 14:04.59 | Sebboh | oh. not installed, so not removed. |
| 14:05.05 | jelly-home | Sebboh: dpkg --purge |
| 14:05.22 | Sebboh | jelly-home: k. |
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| 14:05.30 | DawnLight | but beardy a bootsplash doesn't mean you don't get to see the bootup messages |
| 14:05.44 | jelly-home | beardy: oh, purging an already removed package with apt doesn't work here (lenny) |
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| 14:05.59 | Sebboh | lenny here, too. |
| 14:06.05 | beardy | jelly-home: I see. Ok, well what you said then, to use dpkg should be fine. |
| 14:06.12 | XoX | how do i keep changes in /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel.cfg to survive after upgrade? |
| 14:06.22 | beardy | XoX: Copy, backup. |
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| 14:06.36 | XoX | that's the solution? |
| 14:06.39 | Sebboh | xox, the install script, if it's worth anything, should detect your changes and prompt you. |
| 14:06.51 | XoX | it didn't |
| 14:06.52 | Sebboh | but I'd back it up incase it doesn't. |
| 14:06.53 | beardy | If it doesn't, see previous statement. |
| 14:07.00 | Sebboh | aww. :( |
| 14:07.00 | jelly-home | Sebboh: install scripts don't expect users to mess with stuff in /usr |
| 14:07.04 | lbt | DawnLight: look at splashy |
| 14:07.15 | Maulkin | DawnLight: or usplash |
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| 14:07.17 | Sebboh | jelly-home: ah. My mistake. |
| 14:07.21 | XoX | /etc/iceweasel/pref has a file there but not all options in iceweasel.cfg work in this iceweasel.js file |
| 14:07.21 | jelly-home | diverting could be a longer term solution |
| 14:07.31 | XoX | they say /etc/iceweasel/pref overrides |
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| 14:07.59 | jelly-home | XoX: consider filing a bog report if you need to mess with a file in /usr to get the config you want |
| 14:08.00 | lbt | I think splashy is replacing usplash too :) Can't be sure. |
| 14:08.02 | beardy | XoX: If that's some out of the package system crap, install in /usr/local in the first place.. |
| 14:08.04 | jelly-home | bug* |
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| 14:08.13 | null | Hello, I have a problem, I have apache chrooted and it works fine, but logs tells that apache has an one hour offset, my date of server is okey, but is not for apache, any idea how to fix it? |
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| 14:08.30 | DawnLight | lbt, Maulkin, i wish splashy was in etch. usplash doesn't seem to be documented |
| 14:08.30 | XoX | beardy, it's about:config settings that i want globally for everyone |
| 14:08.36 | XoX | and iceweasel.cfg is the place to put them |
| 14:08.48 | XoX | as far as i know.. |
| 14:09.06 | beardy | XoX: Will still be for all users, but in it's proper place in your filesystem. |
| 14:09.08 | lbt | DawnLight: it's new :) http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/start |
| 14:09.30 | Sebboh | *nod* iceweasel/firefox isn't very multi-user aware. Try running as a limited user on XP... or on non-debian linux. (deb seems to patch the problems I complain about..) |
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| 14:10.06 | jelly-home | XoX: I'd file a bug report, report the issue and maybe the maintainers will put it in /etc for the next release |
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| 14:11.24 | Sebboh | it does kinda make sense that a file named .cfg would live in /etc... :) Oh, they say that the other file can override it, but s/he says that this isn't completely true.. That's the real bug, and something for the iceweasel (firefox?) people to fix. |
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| 14:12.28 | Gge | Hi . I cannot install "sendmail" with Synaptics ( sendmail-base , sendmail-cf , sensible-msa) . Error message is " Sendmail package has unresolvable dependencies " . Any suggestion ? |
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| 14:13.05 | Steven_elvisda | aboutdebian.com |
| 14:13.11 | Steven_elvisda | check it out Gge |
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| 14:13.33 | DawnLight | Gge: aptitude is better then synaptics |
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| 14:13.37 | Steven_elvisda | i think if before install package you need to use apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 14:14.10 | Gge | You can update with Synaptics also , btw using Debian testing |
| 14:14.32 | Gge | what it did before |
| 14:15.15 | nkuttler | Gge: you have to live with broken dependencies in testing... /msg dpkg pdo and get whatever you need there |
| 14:15.18 | abrotman | Gge: make sure you do an update first .. if it still doesn't work .. paste the whole error somewhere |
| 14:15.46 | Gge | Ok , I 'll switch to aptitude |
| 14:16.17 | jelly-home | Gge: is there a special reason you need sendmail, btw? |
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| 14:16.58 | I-hate-irc-and-c | hello |
| 14:17.00 | Gge | jelly-home , a web appiclaction on top of Appache to send alert message by mail |
| 14:17.13 | abrotman | Gge: why not use exim or postfix ? |
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| 14:17.24 | jelly-home | Gge: any MTA will suffice for that |
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| 14:17.34 | I-hate-irc-and-c | I have f*ed up grub. Would debian i386 run on amd64 cpus? |
| 14:17.36 | jelly-home | Gge: even the default exim |
| 14:17.38 | dijz | Hi, how I can read file .pub? |
| 14:17.44 | bony | hi all is there a way to send files from a text terminal? not with scp or ssh but in any other way? i found talk and ytalk as good messaging commands in lines to them i would like to discover a command through which i can send files |
| 14:17.49 | jelly-home | I-hate-irc-and-c: it works |
| 14:17.50 | abrotman | I-hate-irc-and-c: yes |
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| 14:18.04 | abrotman | dijz: a publisher file? |
| 14:18.12 | Gge | I have already exim4 installed but sendmail is in the list of dependenies required for this app |
| 14:18.14 | I-hate-irc-and-c | But it works badly? |
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| 14:18.20 | abrotman | I-hate-irc-and-c: it works fine |
| 14:18.23 | dijz | abrotman: yes! |
| 14:18.40 | abrotman | dijz: openoffice or something in koffice |
| 14:18.49 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Can I use the amd 64 netins on regular amd? |
| 14:18.55 | abrotman | no |
| 14:19.15 | Gge | Jelly-home and Abrotman , I have to look for the use of exim4 |
| 14:19.15 | dijz | abrotman: many thanks |
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| 14:19.23 | I-hate-irc-and-c | but I can use regular net inst and it would still work on amd64? |
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| 14:19.31 | abrotman | I-hate-irc-and-c: yes |
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| 14:19.50 | jelly-home | Gge: your application probably only needs _something_ in /usr/sbin/sendmail, and every MTA in Debian provides that |
| 14:20.02 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Why is it that way? |
| 14:20.33 | abrotman | I-hate-irc-and-c: because a 64bit cpu can run 32bit code .. not vice versa |
| 14:21.06 | I-hate-irc-and-c | ok, this is because grub on my intel/amd64 and need to reinstal debian on an regular cpu computer. |
| 14:21.26 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Because the amd64 wont boot anything else than hd |
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| 14:22.10 | Gge | Jelly-home , I have /usr/sbin/sendmail file wich is a link to usr/sbin/exim4 |
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| 14:22.26 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 14:23.34 | jelly-home | Gge: yes. Applications usually don't care which MTA is used |
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| 14:25.05 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Would debian+kde cd be able to install on an usb disk? |
| 14:25.26 | abrotman | don't you think that depends on the size of the usb disk? |
| 14:25.26 | I-hate-irc-and-c | And discover windows on that partition? |
| 14:25.34 | I-hate-irc-and-c | It is 80gb |
| 14:25.42 | I-hate-irc-and-c | and has windows on it |
| 14:25.54 | Gge | Jelly-home , in fact a cron-daily job will activate the mail via exim4 |
| 14:25.58 | I-hate-irc-and-c | an a like 10-20 gb partition less area |
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| 14:26.33 | jelly-home | I-hate-irc-and-c: it ought to work if your machine can boot off usb |
| 14:26.38 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Just wondered if it could detect it- |
| 14:26.48 | I-hate-irc-and-c | I don't want to boot it, just install. |
| 14:27.15 | jelly-home | I-hate-irc-and-c: and what would you do with it when it's installed? |
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| 14:27.45 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Rip the 2.5" SATA DISK out of the usb box/thing and shove it into my laptop! |
| 14:28.18 | abrotman | why not just install it on the laptop ? |
| 14:28.32 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Cannot boot from anything else than pxe and hd! |
| 14:28.43 | mavhk | edit the bios |
| 14:29.25 | jelly-home | no, editing with a hammer is not advised |
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| 14:29.42 | masus | does anyone know the minimal system requirements of "debian-40r1-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso". Thanks :/ |
| 14:30.43 | abrotman | the regular installer is a 486, 48MB and about 500MB HDD |
| 14:30.59 | Sebboh | what's the syntax to get dpkg to tell me what package provides file foo? |
| 14:31.15 | jelly-home | masus: no idea, but I'd give xfce at least 256MB RAM and 4GB disk |
| 14:31.16 | Eulex | masus, I'd say ~64mb ram (but at least 128mb for a better experience), and 800mb hdd. |
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| 14:31.25 | abrotman | Sebboh: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search <file> |
| 14:31.29 | Eulex | abrotman, I assume he means with the desktop environment. |
| 14:31.31 | abrotman | Sebboh: or dpkg -S |
| 14:31.44 | abrotman | Eulex: just a bigger HDD ? :) |
| 14:31.54 | jelly-home | Eulex: xfce was a pig with 128MB here (on a P3/500) |
| 14:31.59 | masus | 3.2 GB with 256 mb RAM |
| 14:32.06 | jelly-home | masus: 's ok |
| 14:32.11 | Eulex | masus, will work very well. |
| 14:32.20 | Eulex | abrotman, 48mb ram and X? *shudder* |
| 14:32.24 | masus | Ok Thanks All ... |
| 14:32.25 | Eulex | jelly-home, pig? |
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| 14:32.49 | abrotman | Eulex: it'll work .. slowly :) |
| 14:32.51 | jelly-home | Eulex: yes. Bloated, slow moving and smelly. |
| 14:33.01 | Eulex | abrotman, :) |
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| 14:33.10 | masus | "debian-40r1-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso" is this a autoinstaller with xfce4 or i have to install it after the standart installation ... |
| 14:33.21 | Sebboh | abrotman: hmm. uh, doesn't apt-file download quite a bit of data? uh.. well. nevermind, I have another lenny machine with more space. |
| 14:33.28 | Eulex | masus, it's an installer with xfce4. |
| 14:33.35 | masus | ok |
| 14:33.38 | abrotman | Sebboh: dpkg -S <file> if it's installed |
| 14:33.42 | Sebboh | yes |
| 14:33.51 | Sebboh | btw, good morning, abrotman. |
| 14:33.52 | abrotman | Sebboh: or you can use packages.debian.org |
| 14:33.58 | abrotman | hi! |
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| 14:34.06 | jelly-home | Sebboh: you can also just abuse the bot. /msg dpkg find bin/azureus |
| 14:34.25 | Sebboh | find! ok, I tried search. :) |
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| 14:39.15 | jelly-home | !ping |
| 14:39.15 | dpkg | pong |
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| 14:41.01 | Qantourisc | backport to the resque ! :) |
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| 14:41.56 | Fabio_Como | hello how can i execute a "tar cfz ..." command having the .tar.gz filename with a "timestamp"? thanks |
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| 14:43.36 | Rug | If I am not using gdm kdm or xdm, how do I change my default WM from IceWM to Fluxbox? |
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| 14:45.28 | dijz_ | abrotman: openoffice can't read .pub :( |
| 14:46.14 | mbroeker | Rug, edit or create a file ~/.xsession and write the startup commands into it |
| 14:46.29 | abrotman | dijz_: guess you'll have to try part of kopffice |
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| 14:46.32 | abrotman | koffice |
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| 14:47.02 | abrotman | dijz_: at least .. i thought something on linux could open those darn things |
| 14:47.21 | Rug | mbroeker: thanks |
| 14:47.26 | masus | Why the fonts in FFox are look not so clearly. Does anybody know ? |
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| 14:48.13 | mbroeker | Rug, that will work for startx. it wont work for another session manager |
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| 14:48.54 | black_13_ | i have just installed debian splash and it almost works |
| 14:48.58 | dijz_ | abrotman: I'm getting 90 M for koffice, thanks :) |
| 14:49.07 | dijz_ | bye |
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| 14:50.18 | black_13_ | while loading i get this black screen with a bunch of red dots then the debian slash starts loading |
| 14:51.26 | mbroeker | masus, firefox and the xserver are highly customizable. Believe it or not, don't touch it. Most users have one hour config fun with it and want the old and ugly fonts back because they are nicer than the new configured ones... |
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| 14:53.33 | masus | :) |
| 14:54.04 | mbroeker | masus: easiest changes are the dpi stuff in the xserver... |
| 14:54.11 | masus | everything looks very nice , but ffox not :/ |
| 14:54.24 | masus | hmm i'll try it |
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| 14:55.25 | mbroeker | masus, assuming you are using a 17" crt or higher !!crt!!and not a tft, you can try to add the DisplaySize Option into your xorg.conf |
| 14:55.58 | masus | mbroeker: i use 15" tft |
| 14:56.08 | mbroeker | well, forget it |
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| 14:56.13 | masus | :) |
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| 14:56.44 | Javaman | I kill Sheogorath each time I try to connect. x) |
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| 14:57.13 | mbroeker | masus, kde or which desktop enviroment do you use? |
| 14:58.10 | masus | xfce4 |
| 14:58.29 | masus | debian etch +xfce4 |
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| 14:59.13 | rmaj | how to install pear modules? |
| 14:59.15 | rmaj | like mdb2 |
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| 15:00.03 | mbroeker | masus, ok, install some font packages and make some changes in the firefox properties... |
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| 15:02.56 | Phil | guys, I have a directory which is chowned to nobody:smbers and chmod to 075 |
| 15:03.05 | Phil | my user is in the group smbers however it cannot rename the dir |
| 15:03.07 | Phil | why is this? |
| 15:03.42 | rmaj | Phil: doesnt he need to have access to the parent directory of that directory which you want to rename |
| 15:03.46 | rmaj | write access |
| 15:04.00 | Phil | rmaj, yes |
| 15:04.44 | Qantourisc | "Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>" <= is an idiot ... he doesn't know dyslexia ... |
| 15:05.05 | masus | mbroeker: Thanks ... i'll try it. |
| 15:05.19 | \amethyst | Phil: is this user nobody that's trying to access it? |
| 15:05.24 | Qantourisc | ok idiot is a bid harsh sorry |
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| 15:05.29 | Phil | \amethyst, no |
| 15:05.33 | \amethyst | Phil: and what are the permissions/ownership of the containing directory? |
| 15:05.34 | Phil | it's called 'phil' |
| 15:05.44 | Phil | \amethyst, same as the one I'm trying to renmae |
| 15:05.45 | Phil | *rename |
| 15:05.57 | \amethyst | Phil: does id actually list the smbers group? |
| 15:06.14 | Phil | hrmmm, no |
| 15:06.18 | Phil | groups does though |
| 15:06.38 | \amethyst | Phil: you just added the user to the group? |
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| 15:06.55 | Phil | did it yesterday |
| 15:06.59 | Phil | do I need to log out and in? |
| 15:07.03 | Eulex | yes |
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| 15:07.09 | Phil | ok, thanks |
| 15:07.11 | \amethyst | Phil: hmm... actually, groups should be listing the same groups as id |
| 15:07.22 | \amethyst | Phil: it's kind of strange that they're different |
| 15:07.28 | mbroeker | masus, take a look at my (german) iceweasel: http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=propertiesh2d.png |
| 15:07.29 | Phil | \amethyst, groups is listing 2 groups, "phil" and "smbers" |
| 15:07.42 | Phil | id is listing dialout, floppy, audio, video, plugdev and phil |
| 15:07.42 | \amethyst | Phil: and what's the output of id ? |
| 15:08.19 | \amethyst | Phil: and id -Gn lists the same things as groups? |
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| 15:08.36 | Phil | no |
| 15:08.40 | Phil | same as I listed above for id |
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| 15:08.47 | masus | mbroeker: hmmm it's loook much better than my |
| 15:09.17 | Phil | ok, just sshed into it and id lists the correct groups |
| 15:09.23 | Phil | need to log out and into gnome I think |
| 15:09.25 | Phil | lemme do that now |
| 15:09.27 | \amethyst | Phil: I guess that's it |
| 15:09.49 | \amethyst | Phil: the groups command is *supposed* to be identical to id -Gn |
| 15:10.08 | Phil | I assume id is set on session start, \amethyst |
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| 15:10.52 | \amethyst | Phil: id works by getgroups() (as you said, set on session start)... I would think groups would do the same thing |
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| 15:11.15 | Phil | id lists the right thing now |
| 15:11.20 | Phil | let me try the mv |
| 15:11.39 | Phil | yup, that did it |
| 15:11.40 | Phil | thanks :) |
| 15:11.48 | masus | mbroeker : are u german ? or turk ? |
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| 15:13.10 | mbroeker | masus, well i had some turkish friends during my education, but i am not a turk. |
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| 15:14.00 | mbroeker | masus, but in fact, what causes that question? |
| 15:15.01 | masus | mbroeker: i saw turkish language on your screen :) |
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| 15:18.06 | hardcampa | Anyone got a quick guide to how to get vim to recognise gz in debian |
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| 15:20.09 | ap0c0lyps3 | my takbar and shutdoen button all dissappeared any1 no hoe to get it back |
| 15:20.36 | \amethyst | hardcampa: which vim package do you have installed? |
| 15:21.08 | hardcampa | checking |
| 15:21.25 | hardcampa | ahh vim-tiny =) |
| 15:21.32 | hardcampa | so I guess the solution is vim not vim-tiny |
| 15:21.33 | \amethyst | hardcampa: That's your problem :) |
| 15:21.40 | hardcampa | =) hehe good thank you man |
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| 15:22.39 | \amethyst | hardcampa: gzip support is in a standard plugin, but vim-tiny doesn't come with any of the plugins or other scripts |
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| 15:23.13 | debian-is-me | Is PhatLinux based on debian? |
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| 15:23.17 | darrh00 | I hear that debian ftp-master is down.where can I find this official message? |
| 15:23.52 | darrh00 | I subscribed to many mailinglist of debian,but none has mentioned that. |
| 15:24.04 | DawnLight_ | my kde window manager freezes |
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| 15:24.39 | debian-is-me | If i have an ext3 partition on a harddrive with 4 partitons (fat32,ntfs,linuxswap,ext3) then what should I tell grub to load? hd0,1 is windows. SHould i use hd0,2 or hd0,3 |
| 15:24.42 | Maulkin | DawnLight_: look at the topic |
| 15:25.01 | Maulkin | sorry, darrh00 : look at the topic |
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| 15:25.12 | DawnLight_ | yea, i know. i'm just expressing my... |
| 15:25.24 | mbroeker | debian-is-me, correct that sentence ... |
| 15:25.51 | Maulkin | debian-is-me: hd(0,3) |
| 15:25.56 | debian-is-me | ok |
| 15:26.11 | Maulkin | debian-is-me: ahdn hd0,1 is ntfs. |
| 15:26.13 | Maulkin | *and |
| 15:26.48 | rmaj | how to install entire php Pear on debian? |
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| 15:27.08 | Maulkin | rmaj: What do you want to install? |
| 15:27.54 | rmaj | Maulkin: MDB2 for example (so, pear auth) |
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| 15:28.08 | Maulkin | rmaj: sight, so not the entire of pear? |
| 15:28.29 | rmaj | well, wither |
| 15:28.33 | rmaj | either |
| 15:28.42 | Maulkin | The entire of pear is likely to be larger than your hard drive |
| 15:29.37 | Maulkin | rmaj: however, for mdb, install php-auth |
| 15:29.42 | Maulkin | !tell rmaj abotu search |
| 15:29.47 | Maulkin | !tell rmaj about search |
| 15:29.54 | debian-is-me | Can I donwload all the desktopgames for linux with one command?? |
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| 15:30.13 | \amethyst | what's a desktopgame? |
| 15:30.18 | Maulkin | debian-is-me: how big is your hard drive? |
| 15:30.28 | debian-is-me | 80 |
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| 15:30.30 | rmaj | debian-is-me: not a command, but you might want to go to synaptics file manager to games sexction |
| 15:30.35 | rmaj | section even |
| 15:30.42 | debian-is-me | 17gb linux partition |
| 15:30.57 | ap0c0lyps3 | my bar with the xfce menu and shutdown button disappeared how do i put ir back on |
| 15:30.58 | \amethyst | debian-is-me: aptitude search ~sgames to list all the games |
| 15:31.21 | debian-is-me | and the apt-get install and copy the list? |
| 15:31.31 | Maulkin | debian-is-me: then you have no chance of installing them all |
| 15:31.47 | \amethyst | they won't all install together, and they're probably bigger than 17GB |
| 15:32.04 | debian-is-me | ok |
| 15:32.05 | mirak | with wich software could I do phone call through my RTC PCI Modem and a micro ? |
| 15:32.09 | rmaj | \amethyst: I thought entire debian firs to like 10 CDs |
| 15:32.11 | Maulkin | ap0c0lyps3: right click on a panel and select 'customise panel' |
| 15:32.29 | Maulkin | rmaj: it's about 3 DVDs, compressed |
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| 15:32.32 | debian-is-me | rmaj: they are comprimated. |
| 15:33.02 | ap0c0lyps3 | there aren't any panels to click on |
| 15:33.04 | debian-is-me | What would I find on an dell rescue partition? |
| 15:33.28 | rmaj | Maulkin: even with php-auth I still get: Warning: include(MDB2.php) [function.include]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory |
| 15:33.54 | ap0c0lyps3 | maybe MDB2.php isn't in your include path |
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| 15:33.58 | Maulkin | rmaj: well, where did that file come from? |
| 15:34.11 | Maulkin | ap0c0lyps3: right click on the desktop, then go to settings, then Panel manager |
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| 15:34.31 | \amethyst | rmaj: the php-auth package should contain /usr/share/php/Auth/Container/MDB2.php |
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| 15:35.16 | ap0c0lyps3 | maulkin: when i click on panel nothing happens |
| 15:35.28 | rmaj | \amethyst: yes i have this file... so why it isnt used? btw I have php4-pear apparently but I use php5... |
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| 15:37.00 | Maulkin | rmaj: it's not used because you're not including it. Try #php for more information as to how php works |
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| 15:38.11 | aztun | hi |
| 15:38.21 | rmaj | I am including it but it doesnt seem to be in include patch for php... shouldnt that work by default? |
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| 15:39.02 | aztun | anyone knows if there is package similar to rpmlevel on debian??? rpmlevel is used to monitor installed packages |
| 15:39.06 | aztun | http://www.vromans.org/johan/software/sw_rpmlvl.html |
| 15:39.12 | Urigeller | someone got a clever advice why I can't mount a nfs device as user although the entry in fstab states "user" as mountoption? |
| 15:39.23 | ap0c0lyps3 | ok I launched the xfce4-panel app and everything just came back |
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| 15:39.47 | solar_sea | Urigeller, add uid/gid [user id/group id] files there in the options |
| 15:39.56 | solar_sea | ops, fields* :) |
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| 15:40.28 | [1]DawnLight | i can't believe this. i'm running from windows because my debian has a bug that freezes it. the shame... |
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| 15:41.54 | debian-is-me | Is there a debian distro that has a livecd that can crack bios passwords from new laptops? |
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| 15:42.27 | [1]DawnLight | bios passwords? man, just pull out the battery for a few seconds |
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| 15:42.59 | ap0c0lyps3 | ok i got the panels to run. It seems xfce4-panel wasn't on |
| 15:43.02 | Jyzygzel- | how did you read .gz files |
| 15:43.05 | Jyzygzel- | zcat or what? |
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| 15:43.17 | Jyzygzel- | thtas it |
| 15:43.26 | \amethyst | Jyzygzel-: gzip -dc, or zcat, or zless, or vim |
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| 15:45.02 | Jyzygzel- | how do you set up the Sendmail in debian? |
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| 15:45.13 | Jyzygzel- | it does not have config files neither logs |
| 15:45.25 | Jyzygzel- | only the daemon executable at /etc/init.d |
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| 15:45.49 | [1]DawnLight | Jyzygzel-, aptitude install exim4 |
| 15:45.57 | [1]DawnLight | or exim4-base? |
| 15:46.02 | Jyzygzel- | and? |
| 15:46.11 | [1]DawnLight | and there will be questions |
| 15:46.12 | Urigeller | solar_sea: didn't work.. "mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting (null)" |
| 15:46.15 | Jyzygzel- | that solver eveerything? |
| 15:46.22 | [1]DawnLight | should |
| 15:46.26 | Jyzygzel- | well ok |
| 15:47.10 | debian-is-me | [1]DarwinLight: not on an laptop!! |
| 15:47.23 | Jyzygzel- | this better work :-D |
| 15:47.52 | [1]DawnLight | debian-is-me, i mean the cmos battery |
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| 15:48.16 | Jyzygzel- | well i have the exim4 |
| 15:48.20 | debian-is-me | Doesn't work |
| 15:48.45 | Jyzygzel- | wtf |
| 15:48.58 | [1]DawnLight | Jyzygzel-, if it didn't ask you the questions, do dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 15:49.52 | Jyzygzel- | well how do you actuallly send the mail with it |
| 15:50.15 | Jyzygzel- | do you just: exim4 lol@mail.com |
| 15:50.33 | [1]DawnLight | Jyzygzel-, ahm... it is not meant to be used by users, but by mail clients |
| 15:50.48 | Jyzygzel- | well where do i get a mail client |
| 15:51.05 | [1]DawnLight | there are lots of them |
| 15:51.10 | debian-is-me | And i need to know what it is! |
| 15:51.13 | Jyzygzel- | i want the smalles |
| 15:51.42 | [1]DawnLight | Jyzygzel-, a text-mode one? |
| 15:51.46 | Jyzygzel- | yea |
| 15:51.53 | [1]DawnLight | then i don't know any |
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| 15:52.00 | Jyzygzel- | there aren't any? |
| 15:52.04 | [1]DawnLight | there sure are |
| 15:52.18 | [1]DawnLight | i never used a text-mode email client |
| 15:52.21 | Jyzygzel- | apt-cache search mail | grep client |grep console |
| 15:52.24 | Jyzygzel- | no matches |
| 15:52.27 | Jyzygzel- | no console mailers |
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| 15:52.37 | cahoot | isn't email mostly text? |
| 15:52.43 | Jyzygzel- | well yes |
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| 15:52.50 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: mailx |
| 15:52.51 | Jyzygzel- | why isn't there a console mail sender |
| 15:52.56 | Jyzygzel- | yay |
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| 15:53.20 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: you don't need one, btw. you can send with /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 15:54.03 | Jyzygzel- | yea if i can get an example command how to do that |
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| 15:54.16 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: google it? |
| 15:55.54 | Jyzygzel- | hmm |
| 15:56.11 | Jyzygzel- | mailx lol@192.168.0.194 |
| 15:56.16 | Jyzygzel- | it asks Subject and freezes |
| 15:56.23 | Jyzygzel- | well i can write |
| 15:56.30 | Jyzygzel- | but it does not ask anything else |
| 15:56.31 | lbt | Jyzygzel-: echo test | mail -s subject_here fred@gmail.com |
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| 15:56.37 | rmaj | Maulkin: thanks that worked (include path was wrong) |
| 15:56.41 | Jyzygzel- | yea |
| 15:56.43 | Jyzygzel- | thats what i needed |
| 15:56.47 | rmaj | any idea how to install /usr/share/php/MDB2.php itself? apt-file didnt found it |
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| 15:56.49 | mnmlito | hello, if i want to use cron to open an url, does /usr/bin/open 'myurl' the trick ? |
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| 15:57.10 | rmaj | mnmlito: use wget |
| 15:57.13 | lbt | mnmlito: look at wget |
| 15:57.13 | Jyzygzel- | lbt it runs |
| 15:57.20 | Jyzygzel- | nothing was sent |
| 15:57.23 | mnmlito | thx |
| 15:57.29 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: how do you know? |
| 15:57.36 | Jyzygzel- | cause im looking the port |
| 15:57.41 | Jyzygzel- | on the target computer |
| 15:57.47 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know if there are unicode fonts for the console available to output 'Tagalog' characters ? most of the unicode stuff is working, but i can't get the 'Tagalog' characters set to work =( |
| 15:57.51 | Jyzygzel- | no activity on port 25 |
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| 15:57.55 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: check your MTA logs. |
| 15:57.56 | Jyzygzel- | nc -p 25 -l |
| 15:58.25 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: /var/log/mail.* or /var/log/mail/*, not sure |
| 15:58.34 | Jyzygzel- | mailing to remote domains not supported |
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| 15:59.16 | lbt | hmm, can you use fred@ip_address? I'd expect MX records etc to be involved... |
| 15:59.57 | Konky | Are there nice ways to mix distributions ? |
| 16:00.02 | Jyzygzel- | jesus christ |
| 16:00.03 | Konky | I'm running a etch system and want to take packages from lenny |
| 16:00.07 | Konky | without haiving to edit and update apt sources all the time |
| 16:00.14 | Ronin | Konky: simple sid backports |
| 16:00.14 | Jyzygzel- | the dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 16:00.15 | mnmlito | lbt: just to make sure, i dont want to d/l. i just want to open |
| 16:00.18 | Jyzygzel- | it asks me questions |
| 16:00.20 | Jyzygzel- | i have no idea |
| 16:00.25 | Jyzygzel- | like i just hit enter 1000 times |
| 16:00.26 | xand | !bobbitt |
| 16:00.27 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 16:00.32 | Jyzygzel- | i have no fukken idea what to choose |
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| 16:00.44 | lbt | mnmlito: a url is a bit of text, not a file |
| 16:00.47 | jelly-home | Konky: don't do it, use backports (from backports.org) instead, or use clean testing. Or see /msg dpkg pinning |
| 16:00.50 | xand | !tell Konky about backports |
| 16:00.55 | Jyzygzel- | after configuring i just get lots of errors |
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| 16:00.56 | Jyzygzel- | i mena LTOS |
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| 16:01.01 | Jyzygzel- | and it says mail system broken |
| 16:01.16 | lbt | if you mean an html file that you downloaded... |
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| 16:01.36 | mnmlito | its php |
| 16:01.40 | dogwater | Does anyone know if there is any reason why the amd-64 version of netboot has like no drivers in it while the i386 version has a ton of drivers? |
| 16:01.44 | Jyzygzel- | what do i set as my "Mail Name" |
| 16:01.46 | Konky | well i just want the latest XEN kernel source, i failed to find the update patches |
| 16:01.54 | lbt | mnmlito: ah - can't help with php |
| 16:01.59 | Konky | in etch it is 6.18 |
| 16:02.06 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: answers to the questions are important. Don't just press enter. |
| 16:02.11 | mnmlito | lbt: cheers anyways |
| 16:02.16 | Jyzygzel- | the questions are WTF |
| 16:02.19 | rmaj | I installed php-pear but I do not have mdb2; also apt-cache search for it do not show anything |
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| 16:02.41 | s | i have a quick general question about renaming files |
| 16:02.54 | s | hopefully someone could help me out, i would be grateful |
| 16:02.58 | Konky | rmaj: mdb2 is not part of APT |
| 16:02.59 | xand | !ask |
| 16:03.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:03.01 | Konky | it is part of pear |
| 16:03.04 | mnmlito | s: shoot |
| 16:03.05 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: that would be the name of the current machine, which it will use as the right-hand side of email addresses, and also when introducing itself to other SMTP servers. |
| 16:03.06 | Konky | try "pear help" |
| 16:03.30 | rmaj | Konky: I ment to install php pear mdb2 |
| 16:03.36 | ap0c0lyps3 | /mng |
| 16:03.38 | Konky | i guessed so |
| 16:03.40 | s | i have a directory of files called fr_001.png, fr_002.png, etc, i need to rename them all so they have 4 digits, as in fr_0001.png, fr_0002.png etc |
| 16:03.41 | Konky | pear install mdb2 |
| 16:03.44 | s | any ideas? |
| 16:04.09 | cyzie | hi, i have a video device using v4l2 and how can i record the video using ffmpeg? |
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| 16:04.25 | Jyzygzel- | why do i get "lol@192.168.0.194: Unroutable host" |
| 16:04.28 | Jyzygzel- | iT ROUTES |
| 16:04.40 | Jyzygzel- | there is a 192.168.0.194 |
| 16:04.42 | QWEZx | whoa names are taken there |
| 16:04.44 | cusco | if it did you would not get that message |
| 16:04.47 | Jyzygzel- | im sure as hell there is |
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| 16:04.58 | cusco | can you ping it? |
| 16:05.00 | Jyzygzel- | yes |
| 16:05.09 | Jyzygzel- | ping 192.168.0.194 works |
| 16:05.09 | cusco | I mean... froom the same machine |
| 16:05.12 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: does that machine have a dns name? Use it. |
| 16:05.22 | Jyzygzel- | well i have name for it in /etc/hosts |
| 16:05.35 | cusco | what is the program returning unroutable host? |
| 16:05.46 | Jyzygzel- | exim4 |
| 16:05.50 | cusco | perhaps you need to tell it to use eth1 our eth3 |
| 16:06.03 | cusco | exim? |
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| 16:06.15 | Jyzygzel- | i don't know |
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| 16:06.18 | Jyzygzel- | its in its error log |
| 16:06.18 | xand | that's not a valid email address |
| 16:06.28 | Jyzygzel- | why not |
| 16:06.31 | cusco | lol |
| 16:06.32 | Jyzygzel- | it routes |
| 16:06.35 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: also, your ip-based email address is incorrect. It should be "foo@[ip]", not "foo@ip". |
| 16:06.51 | xand | email addresses are user@domain, not user@IP |
| 16:07.12 | Jyzygzel- | well how can i have a domain in local area network |
| 16:07.17 | Jyzygzel- | in /etc/hosts? |
| 16:07.20 | xand | put the hostname |
| 16:07.20 | cusco | yes |
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| 16:07.54 | ap0c0lyps3 | t |
| 16:08.01 | Jyzygzel- | unroutable still |
| 16:08.17 | xand | that address won't become routable |
| 16:08.40 | Jyzygzel- | it routes very well on ping |
| 16:08.44 | Jyzygzel- | and on other tools also |
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| 16:09.01 | xand | email addresses have host/domain names in, not IP addresses |
| 16:09.25 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: routing has a different meaning in SMTP context |
| 16:09.38 | xand | gr |
| 16:09.39 | Jyzygzel- | well im not using the IPa anuymore |
| 16:09.46 | Jyzygzel- | im using the /etc/hosts name |
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| 16:09.54 | xand | and you changed the address? |
| 16:10.14 | Jyzygzel- | 192.168.0.194 laptop |
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| 16:10.27 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: set up a local dns server, create forward and reverse records for both machines, make sure it works, then try it. |
| 16:10.28 | xand | and you sent to lol@laptop? |
| 16:10.28 | Jyzygzel- | echo test | mail -s TEST lol@laptop |
| 16:10.31 | Jyzygzel- | yes |
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| 16:11.14 | xand | not sure how exim works, maybe it's trying to find an MX record for "laptop" |
| 16:11.29 | Jyzygzel- | well it works shitty apparrently |
| 16:11.32 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: or else be prepared to custom-configure exim to ignore the dns problems |
| 16:11.40 | xand | no, it works properly |
| 16:11.45 | Jyzygzel- | no its limited |
| 16:11.51 | xand | your setup is limited |
| 16:11.53 | Jyzygzel- | it should see that its LAN address |
| 16:12.05 | Jyzygzel- | and find the routing correctly |
| 16:12.07 | xand | you can't expect things to work if you don't set them up properly |
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| 16:12.18 | xand | go read about SMTP |
| 16:12.24 | Jyzygzel- | why would anyone setup a DNS to home network |
| 16:12.35 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: to make mail routing to work |
| 16:12.38 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 16:12.41 | xand | so their network works properly etc |
| 16:12.41 | xingu | because things need names |
| 16:12.47 | Jyzygzel- | jesus :-D |
| 16:12.55 | Jyzygzel- | well maybe i install bind to my linux router box? |
| 16:13.06 | xand | use dnsmasq |
| 16:13.08 | parentheses | "because things need names" (good answer) |
| 16:13.09 | mavhc | how else are you going to reference your local machines? |
| 16:13.33 | Jyzygzel- | well ok |
| 16:13.36 | niwt | mac address? |
| 16:14.53 | Jyzygzel- | i have some DHCP server in my linux router |
| 16:15.04 | xingu | the de-facto state of any mailer is to completely rely on dns for mail routing; this is good, and how it should be; configurations which tell your mailer to use non-DNS labels are widely available |
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| 16:15.21 | Jyzygzel- | it might be the one calles dnsmasq |
| 16:15.24 | xingu | and now you understand the problem space, you can either configure for this, or configure your local dns |
| 16:16.16 | Jyzygzel- | i have some DHCP in the router |
| 16:16.19 | Jyzygzel- | maybe DHCPD |
| 16:16.27 | xingu | personally, I configure local delivery to survive outright dns (and, nsswitch) failure; but I'm grumpy, and cautious. |
| 16:16.31 | Jyzygzel- | also there seems to be DHCPCD |
| 16:16.35 | Jyzygzel- | can they DNS? |
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| 16:22.56 | stalker_ | anyone have idea why metacity can't load themes in /usr/share/themes (only 'crux', 'atlanta' and other that come wtih metacity svn) |
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| 16:23.11 | stalker_ | and it can load theme if i move it to /home/user/.themes |
| 16:23.48 | stalker_ | it just says: Window manager warning: Failed to load theme "IndustrialTango": Failed to find a valid file for theme IndustrialTango |
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| 16:24.22 | stalker_ | does theme needs some 'registering', e.g. not only to exist in /usr/share/theme |
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| 16:26.06 | cyzie | hi, i have a video device using v4l2 and how can i record the video using ffmpeg? |
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| 16:30.26 | Huck | hi, I run sid but haven't seen updates for almost a week; do I have a problem with my Debian? |
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| 16:30.56 | varek | is there an alternative to ssh that doesn't require such a persistent connection? |
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| 16:31.12 | xand | what do you mean? |
| 16:31.17 | h3sp4wn | varek: In what context ? |
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| 16:31.25 | h3sp4wn | varek: Openvpn possibly |
| 16:31.28 | varek | well i can't access ssh, but http still works with no delays |
| 16:31.36 | Daveman | :o |
| 16:31.49 | Ronin | why cant you access ssh? |
| 16:32.11 | varek | server under attack i'm guessing |
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| 16:32.19 | Daveman | ;p |
| 16:32.55 | Borbus | I can't seem to get mod_rewrite for apache to work.. don't know if it's a problem with Debian's default config.. |
| 16:33.15 | h3sp4wn | varek: Using tarpit on the ssh port is quite good |
| 16:33.31 | varek | what's that |
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| 16:34.22 | varek | ah i see |
| 16:34.44 | \amethyst | Daveman: apache2? |
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| 16:34.55 | h3sp4wn | varek: http://www.iptables.org/projects/patch-o-matic/pom-extra.html#pom-extra-TARPIT |
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| 16:35.17 | jelly-home | Borbus: have you enabled the module (with a2enmod)? have you tried enabling the RewriteLog and upping the RewriteLogLevel? |
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| 16:36.40 | Borbus | I have enabled it, yes, I haven't enabled the rewritelog.. I'll try that |
| 16:36.53 | varek | so a tarpit does what? delay the opening of connections ? |
| 16:37.11 | rmaj | wouldnt it be nice to provide php-pear-foo packages? |
| 16:37.32 | h3sp4wn | varek: no if you get say more than X connection attempts in X seconds then you start to tarpit them |
| 16:37.32 | rmaj | which would simply depend on php-pear and then execute pear install foo on install; for convince |
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| 16:38.38 | h3sp4wn | varek: the tarpit means basically they try to initialise the connection you say ok and then don't do anything else (no resources wasted for you) but they end up with loads of stuff in their connection table |
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| 16:38.57 | Urigeller | "mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting (null)" <- anyone familiar with this? I'm trying to mount a nfs share as user, as root it works without problems.. |
| 16:39.13 | varek | doesn't that mean that legitimate users will get confused, h3sp4wn ? |
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| 16:39.47 | h3sp4wn | varek: nope they wouldn't be sending e.g 7 connection attempts in a minute or whatever you choose as being reasonable |
| 16:40.02 | varek | i see |
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| 16:40.18 | Borbus | jelly-home, there was nothing written to rewritelog |
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| 16:40.41 | h3sp4wn | varek: or you can just use fail2ban or something |
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| 16:42.31 | jelly-home | Borbus: Ar you using vhosts? Enabling the engine in the relevant vhost? |
| 16:42.36 | sparr_ | recently every time I try to burn a CD or DVD I get an error some random length into the process. debugging output in k3b says this: ":-[ WRITE@LBA=1a210h failed with SK=3h/ASC=0Ch/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error". what might cause that? I have updated my kernel and software multiple times since the last time I successfully burned anything. |
| 16:42.55 | Borbus | jelly-home, I'm using the default debian config, so I don't think so |
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| 16:43.46 | jelly-home | Borbus: you need to put "RewriteEngine on" in the vhost where you want to use it. |
| 16:44.09 | Borbus | In a .htaccess? |
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| 16:44.29 | dogwater | Hi, has anyone ever had the installer hang forever at 33% formatting in debian etch? |
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| 16:44.39 | Borbus | Does the default Debian config use vhosts anyway? |
| 16:44.53 | jelly-home | Borbus: yes, one default vhost. |
| 16:45.20 | jelly-home | Borbus: look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 16:45.59 | Borbus | Ahh... |
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| 16:46.35 | varek | oh this is terribly irritating, still can't get into ssh :( |
| 16:46.41 | Borbus | Do I just put it in <VirtualHost>? |
| 16:46.49 | varek | but the web server using php + mysql has no problems at all! |
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| 16:48.23 | jelly-home | Borbus: yes. |
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| 16:48.46 | jelly-home | Borbus: where were you using RewriteRules then, in .htaccess? |
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| 16:49.08 | Borbus | I tried in apache2.conf and .htaccess |
| 16:49.23 | Borbus | It still doesn't work.. |
| 16:49.33 | Borbus | RewriteEngine on |
| 16:49.33 | Borbus | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.39 | Jyzygzel- | a program that can send IP packets recorded with Ethereal |
| 16:49.40 | Borbus | But rss.xml is not found |
| 16:49.44 | tosh| | can anyone tell me why I can't "up" a tun0 device, I have the 'tun' module running and configured the necessary info in /etc/network/interfaces but I get SIOCSIFADDR: No such device, any idea what I'm missing? |
| 16:49.45 | Borbus | Even though rss.php exists |
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| 16:49.55 | jelly-home | Borbus: what about rewrite.log? |
| 16:50.26 | Borbus | Nothing.. or did I need to set that for the vhost too? |
| 16:50.52 | jelly-home | Borbus: probably |
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| 16:52.43 | Borbus | Still nothing in log.. |
| 16:53.15 | Nyle | hey something weird is happening after I woke up. I ssh to my laptop, which is connected to my router by wire, and I can get on irc, and I can ping the router from the laptop. I can't get a reply from the desktop though, which is wired to the same router. if i try to ping it from desktop i get host not found. cables are all plugged in, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to log into my laptop |
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| 16:53.25 | Nyle | any ideas where I can start troubleshooting this |
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| 16:54.19 | xand | host not found = dns failure |
| 16:54.28 | Nyle | destination host not found |
| 16:54.32 | Nyle | its not a dns problem |
| 16:54.44 | Wyzard | Destination host unreachable, you mean? |
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| 16:55.01 | Nyle | From 192.168.1.150 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 16:55.07 | Nyle | yes sorry |
| 16:55.14 | Wyzard | It's not quite clear what's unable to ping what |
| 16:55.24 | jelly-home | Borbus: stupid question, restarted apache after making the changes? |
| 16:55.27 | Wyzard | You can't ping your router from your desktop? You can't ping your desktop from your laptop? |
| 16:55.38 | Borbus | Yeah, I've restarted apache every time |
| 16:56.15 | jelly-home | Borbus: you should be getting something in the log. which RewriteLogLevel have you set? |
| 16:56.25 | Borbus | I haven't |
| 16:56.48 | Borbus | I'll set 9.. |
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| 16:58.01 | Nyle | desktop/laptop (192.168.1.150/200 --> my router(192.168.1.100) in bridge mode to another AP (192.168.1.1). I can use ssh from 192.168.1.150(desktop) to 192.168.1.200(laptop). laptop can get on irc, and use the net, and ping 192.168.1.1 and .100 (both routers). desktop can only ping .100(my router) and not the AP (192.168.1.1) |
| 16:58.07 | Borbus | Ahh right.. got loads in the log now.. |
| 16:58.40 | Nyle | desktop has no internet connectivity. Signal is good, because the router is in the next room |
| 16:58.40 | Borbus | Erm.. it's forwarding to really random urls |
| 16:59.02 | Borbus | applying pattern '^rss.xml$' to uri '/README.html' |
| 16:59.08 | Borbus | And loads of others.. |
| 16:59.13 | Borbus | But why is it doing that? |
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| 17:00.15 | jelly-home | Borbus: every request is passed thru mod_rewrite. |
| 17:00.17 | Borbus | RewriteRule ^rss.xml$ rss.php |
| 17:00.20 | Borbus | That's all I have |
| 17:00.37 | Nyle | Wyzard: hi |
| 17:00.39 | Borbus | But why would it forward rss.xml to anything else? |
| 17:00.45 | Borbus | But not what I want it o |
| 17:00.53 | jelly-home | Borbus: it's not forwarding anything. |
| 17:01.11 | jelly-home | Borbus: it tries to see if the pattern matches the current request |
| 17:02.02 | Borbus | So it doesn't match anything? |
| 17:02.12 | jelly-home | Borbus: correct |
| 17:02.25 | Borbus | Do I need to use absolute urls? |
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| 17:03.01 | jelly-home | Borbus: if you want it to match http://host/rss.xml you need to add / after ^ |
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| 17:04.35 | Jyzygzel- | a program that can send IP packets recorded with Ethereal |
| 17:04.40 | Nyle | anyone/ |
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| 17:04.47 | Borbus | Hmm.. now I get a new one.. Bad Request |
| 17:05.26 | Borbus | Oh.. I got it.. |
| 17:05.27 | jelly-home | Borbus: now mod_rewrite seems to work, you just need to work on your rules. |
| 17:05.53 | Borbus | Can you put the rules in .htaccess files and just use relative urls? |
| 17:06.45 | \amethyst | Borbus: yes; you also need RewriteBase |
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| 17:06.56 | Nyle | Wyzard: did you want to help? |
| 17:07.08 | Borbus | Well it's ok how it is now on my testing server |
| 17:07.24 | Borbus | Do most webservers have ability to add rewrite rules to .htaccess? |
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| 17:07.29 | Wyzard | Nyle: As I mentioned a few minutes ago, it's not clear what's unable to ping what |
| 17:07.30 | sparr_ | i had an unencrypted dvd. i ripped the contents using dvdbackup. my hardware dvd player says 'cannot play this disc' if i just burn that VIDEO_TS directory back to a DVD using k3b's video dvd project. help? |
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| 17:07.46 | Nyle | Wyzard: I explained it as clearly as I possibly could |
| 17:07.52 | \amethyst | Borbus: have you read http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_rewrite.html ? |
| 17:07.53 | Nyle | I apologize I forgot to address you |
| 17:08.03 | Nyle | Wyzard: desktop/laptop (192.168.1.150/200 --> my router(192.168.1.100) in bridge mode to another AP (192.168.1.1). I can use ssh from 192.168.1.150(desktop) to 192.168.1.200(laptop). laptop can get on irc, and use the net, and ping 192.168.1.1 and .100 (both routers). desktop can only ping .100(my router) and not the AP (192.168.1.1) |
| 17:08.23 | Borbus | Yeah I have that open at the moment |
| 17:08.27 | Wyzard | Nyle: oops, sorry, I missed that :-) |
| 17:08.43 | Nyle | no problem, it was my fault |
| 17:09.07 | Nyle | this only happened after I woke up |
| 17:09.11 | tosh| | can anyone tell me why I can't "up" a tun0 device, I have the 'tun' module running and configured the necessary info in /etc/network/interfaces but I get SIOCSIFADDR: No such device, any idea what I'm missing, im running 2.6.18-4-686? |
| 17:09.19 | \amethyst | Nyle: what was the host unreachable message you got when you tried to ping the AP from the desktop? |
| 17:09.20 | Nyle | my rommmate doesn't know jack about routers or networking, he doesn't mess with any of it |
| 17:09.21 | blinx | hey |
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| 17:09.27 | Nyle | \amethyst: yessir |
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| 17:09.57 | Nyle | \amethyst: From 192.168.1.150 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable |
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| 17:10.03 | \amethyst | Nyle: hmm |
| 17:10.11 | \amethyst | Nyle: "from 192.168.1.150" |
| 17:10.15 | Wyzard | Nyle: You say "router", but you also say it's bridging... how exactly is that thing configured? |
| 17:10.18 | blinx | I installed the nvidia-kernel-source with m-a auto-install nvidia but now X has no module "nvidia". What I have to do to give X the nvidia module? Yes, I already read the docs in the wiki. |
| 17:10.20 | ap0c0lyps4 | i get that error all the time |
| 17:10.23 | \amethyst | Nyle: are there outgoing firewall rules on the .150 machine? |
| 17:10.29 | Wyzard | Nyle: Is the AP on the "inside" side of the router, or the "outside"? |
| 17:10.32 | jelly-home | tosh|: pastebin the interfaces file? I don't remember there was infrastructure to create tun devices there... |
| 17:10.40 | Nyle | Wyzard: what do you mean? |
| 17:10.52 | parentheses | (hello) |
| 17:10.56 | Nyle | \amethyst: I just want to go on record saying it was fine when i went to bed |
| 17:11.07 | Nyle | i woke and these issues |
| 17:11.11 | parentheses | (then it should be fine now) |
| 17:11.23 | Nyle | \amethyst: I have not set any firewall rules manually |
| 17:11.26 | parentheses | (sounds like Freddy Krueger was messin wit your router) |
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| 17:11.40 | Wyzard | Nyle: Ordinarily a router has internal IPs (like 192.168.x.x) on the inside, and a public IP on the outside |
| 17:11.46 | \amethyst | Nyle: iptables -L OUTPUT |
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| 17:12.10 | jelly-home | Nyle: is .1.1 under your control? |
| 17:12.11 | Wyzard | Nyle: but you said your router is bridged to an AP |
| 17:12.13 | Nyle | Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 17:12.14 | Nyle | target prot opt source destination |
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| 17:12.26 | \amethyst | Nyle: so that's not it... ignore me |
| 17:12.30 | Nyle | Wyzard: yes it is, and laptop can ping both rotuers, mine ANd the ap |
| 17:12.41 | Nyle | \amethyst: what? |
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| 17:12.49 | sparr_ | !dvd |
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| 17:13.00 | blinx | ok, nvidia-glx :) |
| 17:13.01 | \amethyst | Nyle: no outgoing firewall rules, so it's not what I thought it was |
| 17:13.21 | Nyle | Wyzard: my router, is in client bridge mode, and AP has a WAN ip which is what you see if you whois me |
| 17:13.41 | Nyle | for some wried reason my debian desktop can't see the ap only laptop and router |
| 17:13.46 | Nyle | router can see everything |
| 17:13.52 | Nyle | i mean, laptop can |
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| 17:14.08 | jelly-home | Nyle: tried changing the desktop's ip? |
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| 17:14.15 | Nyle | I have not tried that |
| 17:14.17 | Nyle | hang on |
| 17:14.22 | Wyzard | Nyle: OK, so "the router" is a wireless router, and its "external" connection is a wireless one to another wireless router ("the AP") which is connected to the Internet? |
| 17:14.33 | Nyle | Wyzard: correct |
| 17:14.56 | ap0c0lyps4 | but mostly because of the bad signal in my room |
| 17:15.02 | parentheses | (for the love of Pete they're not both on class c are they?) |
| 17:15.14 | Nyle | umm.. they have to be |
| 17:15.17 | dogwater | class c is a misnomer |
| 17:15.18 | Nyle | oh the same subnet |
| 17:15.19 | jelly-home | Nyle: if 192.168.1.1 is some poor neighbour's machine, it's possible he blacklisted your desktop's MAC or IP |
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| 17:15.27 | Nyle | jelly-home: its my roommmates |
| 17:15.37 | parentheses | (thanks dogwater, can you ellucidate?) |
| 17:15.37 | Nyle | its an actiontek verizon dsl router |
| 17:15.44 | Sivik | ok, i install apache2 and i want it to just point to /var/www not /var/www/apache2-default |
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| 17:15.54 | Nyle | jelly-home: I pay for it every month :/ |
| 17:16.01 | Nyle | I would like to be able to use it :) |
| 17:16.17 | parentheses | you are in #verizon_support |
| 17:16.23 | jelly-home | Nyle: reset it and see what happens? |
| 17:16.29 | Nyle | his room is locked |
| 17:16.33 | Nyle | he is at work |
| 17:16.37 | ap0c0lyps4 | then put off the power |
| 17:16.46 | ap0c0lyps4 | at the switchboard |
| 17:16.51 | parentheses | heh p0c0 |
| 17:16.54 | Nyle | don't got one in the apt |
| 17:16.59 | jelly-home | ah yes, the _smart_ move. |
| 17:17.00 | Wyzard | Nyle: and the device that you're referring to as "the router"... is that actually acting as a bridge only (no routing), or is it doing its own layer of NAT? |
| 17:17.08 | Nyle | no NAT |
| 17:17.25 | Nyle | client bridge, hence my 'router' the ddwrt linksys is 192.168.1.100 |
| 17:17.27 | Nyle | no nat |
| 17:17.28 | \amethyst | Nyle: did your debian box get its IP via DHCP? |
| 17:17.33 | Nyle | if there was nat, my router would be ona diff subnet |
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| 17:17.43 | Nyle | no its all static |
| 17:17.52 | \amethyst | Nyle: laptop is static too? |
| 17:17.54 | Nyle | everything I specified manually, this is how its been for years |
| 17:17.55 | Nyle | yes |
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| 17:17.58 | Nyle | everything |
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| 17:18.10 | Nyle | no mac filtering or firewalls |
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| 17:19.08 | parentheses | (sounding more and more like a Freddy Krueger scenario) |
| 17:19.17 | Nyle | im trying to install a browser on my laptop now, sshx, see if i can use it to get into the router |
| 17:19.21 | amirf | how do i set a Label for LV (logical volume)? |
| 17:19.22 | Wyzard | Nyle: If it's just bridging (so that Ethernet frames from your desktop and your laptop are repeated unmodified to the Actiontek router) then it's not acting as a router |
| 17:19.27 | Nyle | all I did was wake up man, nothing else |
| 17:19.29 | Wyzard | Nyle: You're confusing the issue by calling it one |
| 17:19.40 | Nyle | Wyzard: i am only call....oh ok. lets call it a hub then |
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| 17:19.46 | Nyle | its basically only being used as a hub |
| 17:19.50 | Wyzard | amirf: lvrename |
| 17:19.52 | Nyle | or whatever you wanna call it |
| 17:20.02 | Wyzard | Nyle: wireless bridge |
| 17:20.03 | parentheses | (you could also just call it a bridge) |
| 17:20.05 | Nyle | ok |
| 17:20.12 | Wyzard | Nyle: and "the AP" (the Actiontek one) is the router |
| 17:20.12 | Nyle | sorry noob here |
| 17:20.18 | Nyle | i see |
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| 17:20.57 | Wyzard | Nyle: Anyway, if you don't have firewall rules involved, I don't see any obvious cause of the problem, but I'd run tcpdump and look at the pings |
| 17:21.29 | Nyle | maybe its just as stupid as restarting my machine? |
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| 17:21.45 | jelly-home | I'd swap laptop and desktop ips just to get the router confused. :-) |
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| 17:21.51 | Nyle | heh |
| 17:22.01 | Nyle | but hold on jelly let me do what you said and change the ip |
| 17:22.14 | Nyle | I put dhcp to limit from .50 to 100 |
| 17:22.20 | Nyle | so it shouldn't conflict with my settings |
| 17:22.44 | jelly-home | wait, you have access to router's settings? |
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| 17:24.13 | ribnitz | hello again.. |
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| 17:24.32 | Nyle | you are not going to believe this |
| 17:24.41 | Airbottle | no |
| 17:24.52 | ap0c0lyps4 | it works? |
| 17:24.58 | Nyle | I change the desktop to addr:192.168.1.15 and it works now |
| 17:25.02 | Nyle | I wonder wtf was up |
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| 17:25.08 | Nyle | I have WEP enabled |
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| 17:25.16 | ap0c0lyps4 | maybe your friend blocked your IP or something |
| 17:25.18 | Nyle | and no ssid broadcast, unless I got a hacker in my building |
| 17:25.29 | Nyle | he couldn't have, he knows jack about comptuers |
| 17:25.30 | Wyzard | Nyle: You should be using WPA |
| 17:25.32 | Nyle | he is a real estate guy |
| 17:25.39 | Nyle | Wyzard: ok |
| 17:25.39 | jelly-home | Nyle: WEP is cracked in minutes |
| 17:25.49 | ap0c0lyps4 | wpa in a little longer |
| 17:25.57 | Wyzard | Nyle: And turning off SSID broadcast gains you basically zero secutity |
| 17:26.00 | Wyzard | *security |
| 17:26.30 | Nyle | Wyzard: its some level of security, because if you don't broadcast, morons won't be able to get on you network. People who know how to look for that, can |
| 17:26.31 | ajs | It isn't minutes for WEP |
| 17:26.39 | ajs | It's highly dependent on data rate and it still takes hours |
| 17:26.40 | Nyle | so there is a level of security, its just not acceptable by most |
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| 17:27.37 | Wyzard | Nyle: Anyone who would be stopped by a hidden SSID will also be stopped by WPA |
| 17:27.43 | Nyle | I have 18 networks detected in my building alone, 14 of which are open, many of the router with default passwords of admin:password or <blank>:admin |
| 17:27.46 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 17:27.50 | Wyzard | Nyle: Hiding your SSID is just an inconvenience to yourself, and offers no additional security |
| 17:28.02 | Nyle | i guess you're right too |
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| 17:28.35 | Nyle | and many of them have a 10mbit internet subscription, unlike my cheap roommate, who opted for 700kbps |
| 17:28.38 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 17:29.48 | Nyle | btw, I recently patched my 22-3 kernel on sid for bcm43xx packet injection and I tried to crack my 64bit WEP key |
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| 17:30.13 | Nyle | Wyzard: I was unsuccessful, apparantly, even without mac filtering, you can't generate fake auth traffic to capture IVs |
| 17:30.34 | Nyle | I enabled mac filtering and tried to spoof my laptop to my desktop, but it knew somehow where it was coming from, maybe by ip I dunno |
| 17:30.50 | Nyle | so afaik, my/roomates AP is fairly secure |
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| 17:31.47 | Nyle | this router is good |
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| 17:31.53 | sebas891 | a question, if I backport packages from sid to etch, shoud I sign them? |
| 17:32.05 | Wyzard | Nyle: You're talking about the Actiontek one |
| 17:32.08 | Nyle | yes |
| 17:32.18 | Wyzard | Nyle: That's actually running Linux internally |
| 17:32.27 | Nyle | it is? |
| 17:32.36 | Nyle | didn't know that, I'll see what 3rd party firmware i can use on it |
| 17:32.39 | grahal_ | my system was compromised, how can I check binaries integrity? can dpkg help with that? |
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| 17:32.45 | Nyle | my linksys v6 runs ddwrt micro |
| 17:32.50 | Nyle | and my v2 runs ddwrt full |
| 17:32.59 | Wyzard | Nyle: Well, I know that the Actiontek routers that Verizon gives to FiOS customers are Linux-based |
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| 17:33.02 | Nyle | grahal_: format and reinstall |
| 17:33.10 | hoxu | grahal_, if your system was compromised, the standard way of recovering is reinstalling |
| 17:33.13 | Wyzard | Nyle: but it's owned by Verizon, so you probably shouldn't go installing third-party firmware on it |
| 17:33.20 | Nyle | grahal_: if you were rooted, you don't know what is done to it or not |
| 17:33.41 | Nyle | hmm, yeh, its not just a router, its a dsl modem too |
| 17:33.46 | grahal_ | hmm, didn't really want to do that |
| 17:33.50 | Wyzard | Nyle: There's a setting somewhere in the config pages that you can turn on to enable local telnet access... gives you a sort of diagnostic shell that they have |
| 17:33.56 | Wyzard | Nyle: and from there you can run busybox |
| 17:33.59 | hoxu | grahal_, you mean reinstall? |
| 17:34.01 | grahal_ | not really important computer |
| 17:34.03 | grahal_ | yep |
| 17:34.12 | \amethyst | grahal_: the problem is a root compromise could patch the kernel to hide itself |
| 17:34.19 | abrotman | grahal_: debsums |
| 17:34.22 | Nyle | Wyzard: i see |
| 17:34.30 | tosh| | jelly-home, here's my interfaces file for my tunnel, sorry bout the delay http://pastebin.com/m2b31a883 |
| 17:34.31 | hoxu | I'd advice you to, you could get the old installed packages list, any hand-pick any files you need to keep, then reinstall... |
| 17:34.37 | \amethyst | grahal_: and if it's convincing enough, it can keep user space from ever finding out |
| 17:35.00 | grahal_ | hmm, I see |
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| 17:35.05 | \amethyst | grahal_: maybe mount the hard drive on another machine |
| 17:35.06 | Nyle | I once compromised a root |
| 17:35.10 | \amethyst | grahal_: or from a liveCD |
| 17:35.17 | hoxu | grahal_, if you insist on not reinstalling, at least inspect the system externally, from liveCD or whatever |
| 17:35.23 | \amethyst | grahal_: then you could try verifying md5sums, etc |
| 17:35.24 | Nyle | then my uncle yelled at me cuz he bought the root for health drink |
| 17:35.26 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 17:36.20 | grahal_ | cool, thanks, i'll start with debsums |
| 17:36.38 | sebas891 | anyone, can give me a clue about signing backported packages? |
| 17:36.39 | grahal_ | I know that they used the guest account which had a lame password |
| 17:36.51 | grahal_ | and installed the ssh-scan |
| 17:36.56 | Nyle | this is my real question. does anyone use opendns? do you like it? what are your thoughts? |
| 17:36.57 | \amethyst | grahal_: don't trust any output you get while that system is still running |
| 17:36.58 | grahal_ | that I removed |
| 17:37.51 | abrotman | grahal_: you can run all the checks you want .. the system can never be trusted again |
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| 17:38.23 | hoxu | hear, hear |
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| 17:39.51 | Nyle | there was this other pothead around in my building, I can see his network, get into it using aircrack, but still have yet found nothing useful about him. If i can find out where he lives i could probably see if he has a connection for the budds |
| 17:39.55 | abrotman | sebas891: signing htem for what? |
| 17:39.55 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.06 | Nyle | i know cuz his ssid is <psylocin> |
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| 17:40.18 | Nyle | anyway, nevermind me, carryo n |
| 17:40.25 | jelly-home | tosh|: You'll need to actually create the device before configuring it, for example like this: pre-up tunctl -u jelly -t tun0 ... and delete it after it unused: post-down tunctl -d tun0 |
| 17:40.45 | jelly-home | tosh|: man tunctl |
| 17:41.08 | Wyzard | sebas891: Unless you plan on distributing the packages, there's no need |
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| 17:41.23 | sebas891 | abrotman Wyzard : well, I would like to share my backports with others. |
| 17:41.36 | sebas891 | the best way possible. |
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| 17:42.25 | Wyzard | sebas891: I believe the signature is used when uploading packages to the Debian archive |
| 17:42.51 | Wyzard | sebas891: The signatures that are validated by apt are something different, I believe -- those signatures are on the package lists that are downloaded by "apt-get update" |
| 17:43.04 | Wyzard | sebas891: If you want to run your own repository, you need the latter, not (necessarily) the former |
| 17:43.18 | Nyle | oh btw |
| 17:43.27 | XiXaQ | hello everyone. A friend of mine had an accident with tasksel. He managed to uninstall a task called "nett-tjener", which is norwegian for "web-server", I guess. He reinstalled it, but now php doesn't seem to be working. |
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| 17:43.34 | Nyle | Wyzard: thanks for helping, and you too \amethyst, and jelly-home is always the man |
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| 17:44.02 | ap0c0lyps4 | the php module probably isn't in the new server |
| 17:44.02 | Wyzard | XiXaQ: Task packages don't contain any software; they just pull in other things as dependencies |
| 17:44.09 | Wyzard | XiXaQ: so installing a task package is harmless |
| 17:44.14 | LucidFox | Is ftp-master.debian.org still down? |
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| 17:44.19 | Wyzard | XiXaQ: oops, that is, uninstalling a task package is harmless |
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| 17:44.24 | sebas891 | Wyzard: we're a small group that have a public repository, I would like to upload my backports there. |
| 17:44.47 | XiXaQ | Wyzard, you mean it shouldn't have caused any problems? |
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| 17:45.01 | \amethyst | sebas891: signing it does no good unless users of your repository have some way to get your public key |
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| 17:45.07 | Wyzard | sebas891: then your group should have a system for signing the package lists in its repository, so users can verify the packages they download |
| 17:45.08 | tosh| | jelly-home ill try that, thanks |
| 17:45.10 | \amethyst | sebas891: and know that it's really yours |
| 17:45.19 | Wyzard | sebas891: and you'll want to set up a system for verifying the packages that are uploaded to the repository |
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| 17:45.32 | sebas891 | Wyzard: ok. |
| 17:45.55 | Wyzard | sebas891: Signing the packages you build would help with the latter, but you still have to make the repository actually check the signatures |
| 17:46.07 | ap0c0lyps4 | why does pythong come default with debian etch? |
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| 17:46.18 | Wyzard | sebas891: It's probably possible to get a copy of the tools Debian uses for running its repository, but I wouldn't know where to look |
| 17:46.30 | parentheses | whatis pyuthong |
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| 17:46.35 | Wyzard | \amethyst: Debian itself has that problem too |
| 17:46.41 | PiousMinion | Anyone having trouble uploading images to eBay via iceweasel in etch? I've googled and googled and I can't figure out why it's failing. |
| 17:46.43 | Nyle | puythong? |
| 17:46.45 | parentheses | pythong: nothing appropriate |
| 17:46.47 | alnr | I have no file /etc/init.d/inetd. yet inetd comes up just fine (top shows /usr/sbin/inetd). on another similar machine i do have this file. why might the file be missing yet inetd is coming up fine? |
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| 17:47.02 | Wyzard | \amethyst: (Are you *sure* the CD image you downloaded hasn't been tampered with to replace the debian-archive-keyring package with a modified one?) |
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| 17:47.09 | sebas891 | Wyzard: I should get a pgp key to be able to sign package, I will see with the others about the check of signature of the packages uploaded. |
| 17:47.15 | ap0c0lyps4 | python is an interpreted language |
| 17:47.22 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 17:47.22 | dpkg | i heard mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 17:47.32 | Nyle | aren't all languages interpreted, really :) |
| 17:47.53 | hardcampa | not runtime interpreted |
| 17:47.54 | hardcampa | =) |
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| 17:47.57 | sebas891 | thank you mentors |
| 17:47.58 | Nyle | sure they are |
| 17:48.03 | Nyle | they are 'interpreted' by the compiler |
| 17:48.11 | Sivik | if i have root access to a server, is there a way i can view what the password is without having to reset it |
| 17:48.11 | hardcampa | yeah but that's not runtime |
| 17:48.17 | hardcampa | for c and c++ for example |
| 17:48.18 | Nyle | oh |
| 17:48.18 | ap0c0lyps4 | not really |
| 17:48.19 | ap0c0lyps4 | ok sort of if you look at it really deeply |
| 17:48.19 | ap0c0lyps4 | they are compiled by the compuler |
| 17:48.31 | hardcampa | hehe |
| 17:48.34 | sebas891 | Wyzard: thanks for the pointers. |
| 17:48.34 | Nyle | compiler has to interpret the language |
| 17:48.35 | Nyle | :) |
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| 17:48.52 | Nyle | its technically goofy |
| 17:49.01 | Wyzard | Sivik: No, passwords are stored in hashed form specifically to prevent that |
| 17:49.03 | ap0c0lyps4 | but a proper interpreted language is interpreted at run time |
| 17:49.05 | hardcampa | everything is goofy technically |
| 17:49.09 | Sivik | Wyzard, ok |
| 17:49.13 | Nyle | well yeh |
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| 17:49.47 | alnr | machines interpret machine language. anyone have an answer on my inetd question? |
| 17:49.49 | Nyle | like in a funny way |
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| 17:50.44 | Nyle | alnr: inetd is doing what now |
| 17:51.43 | Nyle | alnr: that file you speak of is a mere script that starts/stops/restarts and other options etc. for inetd |
| 17:51.44 | alnr | inetd is up and running, the only thing i think have in there is qpopper. but i expects to find /etc/init.d/inetd so I could restart inetd, but its not there. So i'm scratching my head wondering how does inetd get started |
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| 17:52.20 | Wyzard | alnr: Maybe it's actually xinetd, and the script is /etc/init.d/xinetd |
| 17:52.28 | alnr | (which i use on other boxes to restart inetd) |
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| 17:52.48 | alnr | Wyzard: i thought so too, but no xinetd either |
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| 17:52.57 | Nyle | i don't know but i don't think everything is run through /etc/init.d |
| 17:52.59 | Nyle | is it? |
| 17:53.08 | Urigeller | where can I put a single command that is executed at boot without writing a init-script? |
| 17:53.31 | ap0c0lyps4 | in your ~bash_profile |
| 17:53.54 | ap0c0lyps4 | ok that isn't at boot |
| 17:53.59 | Urigeller | it needs to be executed as root.. |
| 17:54.16 | alnr | Nyle: maybe not, maybe not. but its strange. both machines are similar (well one reports as 4.0 the other as testing/unstable) |
| 17:54.48 | Nyle | are you sure it isn't ubuntu |
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| 17:55.19 | Nyle | if you go to ubuntu and type cat debina_version file you get lenny/sid |
| 17:55.32 | Nyle | that shows you how much work the ubuntu people are putting in |
| 17:55.52 | Wyzard | interesting |
| 17:56.01 | alnr | Nyle: hehe. gave me a scare. /etc/sources.list says debian in it though |
| 17:56.19 | Nyle | I once used ubuntu, and tried to compile the fglrx module, and it said i needed to add the contrib-nonfree |
| 17:56.20 | alnr | s /sources/\/apt\/sources/ |
| 17:56.42 | Nyle | Wyzard: please verify, I have a kubuntu gutsy box telling me this |
| 17:56.47 | mbroeker | if a is the father of b and the lastname of a is sid, then b has this name too... |
| 17:56.56 | Nyle | Wyzard: and fiesty said debian 4.0 |
| 17:57.13 | alnr | so maybe i have to kill hup inetd or some other way to make it restart? |
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| 17:57.46 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 17:57.47 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
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| 18:00.35 | Wyzard | Nyle: yep, gutsy says "lenny/sid" in /etc/debian_version |
| 18:00.58 | Wyzard | which makes sense, I guess, but there's no corresponding /etc/ubuntu_version saying "gutsy" :-) |
| 18:00.58 | cmanns | So uh, I accidentally ran some command that makes iptables block all traffic, theres no way to gain access to the server without physical right? |
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| 18:01.19 | Wyzard | cmanns: sounds correct to me |
| 18:01.23 | cmanns | thx |
| 18:01.37 | cmanns | I need to learn to not touch iptables :( |
| 18:01.44 | abrotman | or learn to do it correctly :) |
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| 18:02.01 | cmanns | Bad memory + bad googling = :( |
| 18:02.01 | Wyzard | cmanns: If it's in a datacenter or something, you could ask someone to reboot it, since a rule you added manually with the iptables command won't automatically be restored at startup |
| 18:02.21 | cmanns | Wyzard, my friend has physical access I'll have him shutdown the box |
| 18:02.22 | black_13 | can the /etc/init.d/rc script be modified to send all the output from the runscripts to a file (or /dev/null) |
| 18:02.34 | PiousMinion | cmanns: could have a script run every 10 minutes that reinstates your working iptables config. That way while experimenting if you screw things up you only have to wait 10 mins to get back in. |
| 18:02.43 | cmanns | Thats a good idea |
| 18:02.54 | cmanns | I was just trying to clear the firewall cause I banned alot of good ips. |
| 18:03.07 | cmanns | The command I ran (at the time) looked right. |
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| 18:04.38 | Wyzard | cmanns: Rather than writing iptables rules manually, use a firewall package that generates them for you based on a policy that you specify in config files |
| 18:04.44 | Wyzard | cmanns: such as firehol or shorewall |
| 18:04.50 | Wyzard | much easier to maintain that way |
| 18:05.04 | cmanns | hmm |
| 18:05.10 | cmanns | I'll look into those |
| 18:05.31 | alnr | i just edit /var/lib/iptables/active |
| 18:05.51 | alnr | and /etc/init.d/iptables restart |
| 18:06.21 | alnr | very wysiwyg |
| 18:06.32 | cmanns | Any firewalls that can use a webui? |
| 18:06.50 | PiousMinion | heh |
| 18:07.13 | jelly-home | alnr: but there is no init script any more :-) |
| 18:07.20 | cmanns | lol |
| 18:07.49 | alnr | jelly: well i still have that one :) |
| 18:07.49 | cmanns | My friend is in console, how'd he clear the list iptables --flush right? |
| 18:07.54 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's not that hard to make one |
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| 18:08.02 | Wyzard | cmanns: Probably, but I wouldn't want my firewall configuration to depend on having network access |
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| 18:08.14 | jelly-home | alnr: me too, but it's not in the distro any more |
| 18:08.29 | alnr | jelly: oops, bad news |
| 18:08.44 | alnr | i wonder why |
| 18:09.10 | alnr | maybe its with my inetd |
| 18:09.28 | jelly-home | alnr: it's a long and sad story of people nagging the maintainer with conflicting requests and bug reports |
| 18:09.41 | pocukrani | hi, i have problem with usb disk, i cannot read or write on it :hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000 -> this is error |
| 18:09.55 | alnr | jelly: ah i do seem to recall some ranting somewhere by him in the comments |
| 18:10.18 | jelly-home | alnr: yeah, that was the fun bits, now it's all gone. :-) |
| 18:10.48 | alnr | jelly: is there any sort of replacement? |
| 18:12.04 | jelly-home | alnr: I guess you can put something like "pre-up iptables-restore < /var/lib/iptables/active" in /e/n/interfaces |
| 18:12.05 | alnr | at some point i played with all the firewall tools. i disliked that compared to just editing that file |
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| 18:13.18 | jelly-home | at home I installed one of those "easy firewall" script packages, let it generate the config once, and then removed it. |
| 18:13.34 | jelly-home | "lokkit" I think it was called |
| 18:13.46 | alnr | i also vaguely recall that that script loads them in the kernel in one fell swoop where as when using iptables command, each command copmletely reloads the table |
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| 18:15.27 | jelly-home | alnr: it does $iptables_restore < "$ruleset", just like the interfaces line above |
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| 18:18.35 | vovo | how can I install git? I want to download the kernel source code? |
| 18:18.50 | vovo | I did apt-get install git. but after doing that, 'git' command does not work |
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| 18:21.25 | abrotman | vovo: dpkg -L git | grep bin |
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| 18:22.01 | abrotman | bah .. git is a metapacakge isn't it? |
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| 18:23.19 | vovo | abrotman: there is a 16 line output, I am posting as a single line:- /usr/bin /usr/bin/gitfm /usr/bin/gitaction /usr/bin/gitmkdirs /usr/bin/gitxgrep /usr/bin/gitdpkgname /usr/bin/gitwipe /usr/bin/gitwhich /usr/bin/gitview /usr/bin/gitmount /usr/bin/gitrgrep /usr/bin/gitunpack /usr/bin/gitkeys /usr/bin/gitps /usr/bin/gitrfgrep /usr/bin/gitregrep |
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| 18:23.32 | abrotman | so try some ... |
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| 18:24.14 | qrck | what network is channel #irssi or ##kernel on ? not freenode ? |
| 18:24.43 | abrotman | #irssi is on freenode |
| 18:25.04 | abrotman | so is ##kernel |
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| 18:25.52 | end-schranz | hi, whats the fastest why to show all installed debian packages? |
| 18:26.04 | h3sp4wn | vovo: I think you want git-core |
| 18:26.09 | vovo | abrotman: I am unable to try the instructions given here:- http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html#how-to-get-a-git-repository |
| 18:26.21 | qrck | i just don't get any connection there through irssi, i added them to autojoin channel list and get a window created but no connection just Act:2,8,9 lags... |
| 18:26.31 | vovo | h3sp4wn: ok let me try |
| 18:26.32 | qrck | hrmmm |
| 18:26.37 | abrotman | !installed |
| 18:26.37 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 18:26.41 | h3sp4wn | !info git-core |
| 18:27.04 | end-schranz | dpkg: thx i will tray |
| 18:27.10 | end-schranz | try |
| 18:27.39 | spal | end-schranz: dpkg is a bot. it wouldn't mind if you forget to say thanks. :-) |
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| 18:28.05 | end-schranz | spal: lol |
| 18:28.15 | vovo | !lol |
| 18:28.15 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 18:28.52 | dpkg | git-core: (fast, scalable, distributed revision control system), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:1.5.3.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3833 kB, Installed size: 7856 kB |
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| 18:42.20 | blinx | now I have some problems with iceweasel, after it starts (or icedove, doesn't matter) the system hangs, only the virtual consoles are available |
| 18:42.29 | blinx | I have etch 32bit |
| 18:42.46 | alnr | any rec on a pop server that isnt a nosebleed for tls/ssl? tried qpopper, thinking of dovecot |
| 18:43.16 | Galaxor_ | Hello. I'm wondering if it's possible to set soundjuicer to use gracenote cddb. I'm not sure I understand the issues around it. |
| 18:43.34 | Maliuta | alnr: dovecot is good |
| 18:44.03 | Galaxor_ | dovecot |
| 18:44.22 | Galaxor_ | Though I've only used it for imap. |
| 18:44.24 | alnr | Maliuta: it does look good. i'd get imap thrown in , maildir, it looks like |
| 18:44.35 | Maliuta | and unless you're and ISP pop3 is bad |
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| 18:45.00 | Maliuta | alnr: I do all my setups as postfix+dovecot+ldap+tls |
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| 18:45.50 | yos87 | Hi |
| 18:45.59 | alnr | Maliuta: thanks. i've got exim4, i think exim4+dovecot will be good too |
| 18:46.09 | Maliuta | ewww |
| 18:46.21 | alnr | no good? |
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| 18:46.25 | Maliuta | I can never get exim off of an install fast enough |
| 18:46.42 | Maliuta | I was reluctant to move away from sendmail |
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| 18:46.47 | yos87 | I have one folder, I want only root to delete from it, and all ther can excute it, copy to/from it, how can I do that? |
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| 18:46.55 | alnr | heh, i went from qmail to exim4 and was happy about that one |
| 18:47.26 | Freakingme | yos87 chmod 711 folder |
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| 18:47.28 | Maliuta | alnr: don't swear at me :P qmail was a piece of crap ... and it's still in use |
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| 18:47.45 | alnr | Maliuta: lol |
| 18:47.49 | Maliuta | alnr: I can name at least 2 things that use it under the hood for smtp |
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| 18:48.01 | Maliuta | I hate having to admin those services |
| 18:48.02 | yos87 | Freakingme: as root? or normal user |
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| 18:48.20 | Freakingme | uhm, as the owner of that file, or as root |
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| 18:48.29 | alnr | Maliuta: exim is way more than i really want to know about transports and routers |
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| 18:48.49 | yos87 | Freakingme: I did, still can delete |
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| 18:49.15 | Freakingme | yos87 strange |
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| 18:50.22 | yos87 | Freakingme: I do chmod 711 folder as root? |
| 18:50.28 | Freakingme | try that |
| 18:50.28 | Nyle | hehe, 711 |
| 18:50.28 | Freakingme | Nyle something wrong with 711? |
| 18:50.37 | yos87 | Nyle: what? |
| 18:50.43 | Nyle | no, nothing |
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| 18:50.43 | Freakingme | ...right :P |
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| 18:50.56 | Nyle | 711 is a convenient store here |
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| 18:51.01 | Nyle | nationwide |
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| 18:51.16 | Maliuta | Nyle: it's also a hex mode |
| 18:51.19 | yos87 | Freakingme: I still able to delete |
| 18:51.21 | Nyle | i am aware |
| 18:51.35 | Freakingme | yos87 you shouldn't. (only root should be able to do so now) |
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| 18:51.38 | Nyle | I'm not upto my permission calculation, but what does 711 do? |
| 18:51.41 | Maliuta | yos87: you also have to set permissions on the files properly |
| 18:51.44 | Nyle | !permissions |
| 18:51.45 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 18:51.47 | Nyle | nm |
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| 18:52.26 | Maliuta | yos87: you may also want to look at POSIX ACL's and the directory defaults |
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| 18:53.42 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 18:53.42 | dpkg | methinks qotd148 is <Laney> alright lads. i set my root shell to /sbin/nolgin, but apparently that means i can't use "su -c" and sudo isn't installed. how can i change it back? :( |
| 18:54.05 | yos87 | Freakingme: I can delete ! |
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| 18:55.02 | Freakingme | yos87 I can't with exactly the same commands. Is it possible you're doing something wrong? |
| 18:55.03 | Maliuta | yos87: read the information on permissioning |
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| 18:55.24 | Werew0lf | :D |
| 18:55.34 | Maliuta | yos87: if a user has write access to a file then they can probably delete it |
| 18:55.40 | Werew0lf | eh am a n00b so excuse me for silly questions :-) |
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| 18:55.59 | Freakingme | yos87 http://rafb.net/p/xz4soP75.html |
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| 18:56.04 | Werew0lf | Do I need to download all 19 cds for normal desktop installation? |
| 18:56.07 | Werew0lf | :-) |
| 18:56.20 | Eulex | no |
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| 18:56.23 | Freakingme | Werew0lf you could do that of course. Though, one is enough most of the time ;) |
| 18:56.24 | Maliuta | Werew0lf: get netinst and only use what you need :) |
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| 18:56.34 | Eulex | Werew0lf, has the box access to a wired internet connection? |
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| 18:56.45 | Werew0lf | yah but not standard |
| 18:56.49 | Werew0lf | :D |
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| 18:57.01 | abrotman | !d-i Werew0lf |
| 18:57.01 | dpkg | Werew0lf, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:57.26 | Werew0lf | I mean its capable of maximum 6.5kb/s |
| 18:57.27 | Werew0lf | :D |
| 18:57.32 | Freakingme | yos87 did you do what I just posted @ rafb.net/paste ? |
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| 18:58.02 | Eulex | Werew0lf, then you should at least download cd1 |
| 18:58.08 | Werew0lf | ah |
| 18:58.11 | Werew0lf | CD 1 |
| 18:58.12 | Werew0lf | and |
| 18:58.20 | abrotman | Eulex: why? |
| 18:58.30 | Werew0lf | I can almost download 2 to 3 cds |
| 18:58.36 | Werew0lf | but wondering |
| 18:58.37 | Werew0lf | :D |
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| 18:58.46 | Eulex | that way he doesn't need to download the most common software in debian every time he installs it |
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| 18:58.58 | doogers | Hi! |
| 18:59.24 | Werew0lf | So you mean for desktop use I'll only need CD1 |
| 18:59.25 | Werew0lf | :D |
| 18:59.42 | abrotman | Werew0lf: which desktop do you want? |
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| 18:59.45 | Eulex | Werew0lf, you could very well use the netinst, but every time you install debian, you'll have to download a lot |
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| 19:00.01 | Werew0lf | Gnome my most fav |
| 19:00.02 | Werew0lf | :D |
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| 19:00.18 | Eulex | Werew0lf, well, you'll have to download a lot _less_, but perhaps not everything you need will be on cd1. the rest will be downloaded. |
| 19:00.32 | tuv | what command shows the memory usage of a particular process? |
| 19:00.52 | doogers | How can I modify the initrd image of Debian installer gui? So, I want mount the initrd image (in install.386/gtk), modify it and recreate the initrd image.... How can I do? |
| 19:00.59 | suppaman | tuv top ? |
| 19:01.01 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 19:01.01 | dpkg | [custom netinst] http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 19:01.26 | Eulex | the standard cd1 has gnome, right? |
| 19:01.29 | tuv | suppaman, what if it's not one of the top processes? i want to see one particular process only |
| 19:01.37 | doogers | abrotman thx |
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| 19:01.48 | Eulex | tuv, top -p pid |
| 19:02.03 | suppaman | tuv: use the man, Luke |
| 19:02.08 | Ace2016 | How do i schedule a disk defragment on restart? |
| 19:02.09 | Eulex | tuv, or use < and > to adjust the view inside top to show your process |
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| 19:02.33 | abrotman | Ace2016: you mean a disk check ? |
| 19:02.39 | Eulex | Ace2016, no modern file systems need defragmenting. |
| 19:02.41 | abrotman | or a filesystem check i mean |
| 19:02.41 | Ace2016 | no defragment, i use xfs |
| 19:03.03 | suppaman | Ace2016: put it in appropriate rc init |
| 19:03.13 | suppaman | btw does xfs need defrag ? |
| 19:03.16 | abrotman | can't you do that live? |
| 19:03.17 | suppaman | didn't knew |
| 19:03.29 | tuv | Eulex, thanks.. so there isn't any non-interactive tool suitable for scripts |
| 19:03.37 | Ace2016 | people say modern file systems don't need to be defragged but you should've seem my old downloading partition, a massive amount of fragmentation, its a serious issue that needs to be sorted out |
| 19:03.51 | Eulex | tuv, pmap? |
| 19:04.09 | Werew0lf | !gnome |
| 19:04.09 | dpkg | methinks gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 19:04.20 | Eulex | Ace2016, if you fill them up, they will be fragmented. make sure that you do not. keep them under 90% full. |
| 19:04.29 | abrotman | Ace2016: what command do you use to defrag ? |
| 19:04.34 | Ace2016 | yes now i want to unfragment them, thus the defrag |
| 19:04.34 | yos87 | Freakingme: I did, But I cannot access the folder even |
| 19:04.38 | alnr | any trick to getting dovecot to start up? /etc/init.dovecot start i tried |
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| 19:05.06 | nkuttler | alnr: reading the logs is always a good idea |
| 19:05.10 | Ace2016 | its 47GB with 40 used up |
| 19:05.22 | abrotman | what's the command? |
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| 19:05.36 | alnr | nkuttler: yes. i didnt see any dovecot log, nothing in syslog.... |
| 19:05.36 | Freakingme | yos87 you didn't say you wanted to actually access the folder |
| 19:05.38 | Ace2016 | but i was coppying this 5gb file and it took forever, it slowed down lots at some points |
| 19:05.40 | tuv | Eulex, thanks |
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| 19:05.49 | Freakingme | man chmod should open a whole new world t you |
| 19:05.55 | Tramp | Ace2016: did you run xfs_db to check the fragmentation? |
| 19:06.15 | suppaman | tuv: you could use top -n for interactive parsing |
| 19:06.18 | tuv | Eulex, pmap seems to show virtual memory usage only |
| 19:06.21 | suppaman | _non_ interactive |
| 19:06.40 | Eulex | tuv, pmap -d, look at the last line. |
| 19:06.47 | yos87 | Freakingme: no, I want every body access, write and read , But no body delete except root. That what I want, sorry if I didn't explain very well |
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| 19:06.55 | Eulex | tuv, writable/private |
| 19:07.04 | Freakingme | yos87 just read hte man pages of chmod |
| 19:07.15 | Freakingme | I'm not going to tell you everything |
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| 19:07.27 | yos87 | Freakingme: why? |
| 19:07.29 | Ace2016 | xfs_db: /dev/sdb1 contains a mounted filesystem so i cannot check the status of / |
| 19:07.36 | blinx | anyone has similar problems like gnome hangs when iceweasel starts? |
| 19:07.39 | yos87 | Freakingme: you upset? |
| 19:07.44 | blinx | with the .19 nvidia driver on 32bit |
| 19:07.48 | Freakingme | no, it's just that I've got more to do;) |
| 19:07.50 | abrotman | yos87: you're expected to be able to read |
| 19:07.55 | blinx | how can I solve that? |
| 19:08.06 | Tramp | Ace2016: option -r. Check the manpage. |
| 19:08.27 | Tramp | Ace2016: commands you may want to run is -c frag or -c freesp |
| 19:08.34 | tuv | Eulex, that is not consistent with top's RES! |
| 19:08.36 | DeathWolf | is there any reason make-kpkg wants to update-grub when I'm using lilo? |
| 19:08.58 | DeathWolf | it's erroring the postinst because of that |
| 19:09.02 | DeathWolf | which is extremely frustrating:/ |
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| 19:09.20 | Eulex | tuv, right, res does not include swapped out memory. |
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| 19:09.30 | Eulex | tuv, whichever is more correct is up to you. |
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| 19:09.58 | Ace2016 | xfs_db -c frag /dev/sdb1 xfs_db: /dev/sdb1 contains a mounted filesystem |
| 19:10.06 | abrotman | DeathWolf: anything suspicious in /etc/kernel-img.conf ? |
| 19:10.10 | Ace2016 | so i think it has to be unmounted |
| 19:10.13 | Tramp | Ace2016: I SAID -r!! |
| 19:10.18 | abrotman | wow |
| 19:10.41 | abrotman | blinx: did it happen with other versions? did you ask #nvidia? |
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| 19:11.16 | blinx | abrotman: I only tested the latest version and guessed that it works |
| 19:11.33 | abrotman | the latest version is broken? |
| 19:11.39 | blinx | abrotman: no idea |
| 19:11.49 | Ace2016 | i think xfs_db -c frag /dev/sdb1 -c freesp -r just defragged my hard disk |
| 19:11.50 | Ace2016 | cool |
| 19:11.52 | abrotman | you just said you tested it |
| 19:11.58 | blinx | yes |
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| 19:12.19 | Ace2016 | actual 523289, ideal 516905, fragmentation factor 1.22% |
| 19:12.21 | Ace2016 | yay |
| 19:12.28 | Tramp | Ace2016: no, it didnt. It tells you, fragmentation is low. |
| 19:12.36 | Ace2016 | thats a lot better than 62% on my download drive |
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| 19:13.23 | Ace2016 | multiple torrents downloading slowly really messes up the way these file systems work, i mean really messes them up |
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| 19:14.26 | DeathWolf | abrotman: nope, change to update-lilo there though |
| 19:14.28 | Maliuta | Ace2016: have you tried changing the disk allocation method your torrent client uses? |
| 19:14.34 | DeathWolf | now seems to work |
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| 19:15.20 | Ace2016 | but it takes forever when you start a torrent and your system is laggy for a bit, easier just to defrag after every 30gb downloaded |
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| 19:15.41 | doogers | Hi! |
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| 19:16.18 | doogers | I'm reading this guide http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ch-d-i.html#s-copy-initrd and I have a problem.... |
| 19:16.29 | fireba11_grr | Ace2016 : downloading to a small temp partition and moving after its done profed quite usefull :-D |
| 19:16.31 | mikes | hello all! i have a problem installing xorg in sid. i get an dpkg: error prossecing xserver-xorg |
| 19:16.32 | doogers | root@francesco-desktop:/home/francesco# mount -o loop initrd initmnt/ |
| 19:16.32 | doogers | mount: si deve specificare il tipo di filesystem |
| 19:16.34 | mikes | any idea? |
| 19:16.59 | doogers | |
| 19:16.59 | doogers | You must specify the type of filestystem |
| 19:17.19 | abrotman | i don't think you can mount initrd images |
| 19:17.41 | Ace2016 | good idea but some torrents download faster than others, some are large, some are tiny, therefore the partition will be a waste of space, or for torrents there will be a lack of it since slow torrents only run at peek times and fast torrents run at offpeek time (isp rules) |
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| 19:17.47 | Wyzard | An initrd is a gzipped cramfs; you can unzip it and mount it |
| 19:17.54 | Wyzard | but current Debian systems actually use initramfs, not initrd |
| 19:18.09 | Wyzard | and (despite the name) that's actually a compressed cpio archive, not a filesystem |
| 19:18.15 | xsdg | :o) |
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| 19:18.30 | doogers | Wyzard, yes yes... |
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| 19:18.57 | doogers | Wyzard, And now?? What do I do to modify the initrd image? |
| 19:19.29 | Wyzard | Assuming it's an initramfs, you'd extract it into a directory with gzip and cpio, modify the files there, and then repack it with cpio and gzip |
| 19:19.43 | Wyzard | but why do you want to hand-edit a generated initramfs? |
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| 19:20.32 | theDaveTheRave | Ah that seems better.... I was in as Davem earlier... |
| 19:20.50 | Jyzygzel- | a program that can send IP packets recorded with Ethereal |
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| 19:21.16 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: tcpreplay |
| 19:21.44 | Jyzygzel- | Wyzard which of the formats of Ethereal does it support? |
| 19:21.45 | Wyzard | (I haven't used it, but the package description says it can replay arbitrary tcpdump captures, and ethereal/wireshark uses tcpdump format) |
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| 19:21.52 | Jyzygzel- | ic |
| 19:21.58 | Wyzard | libpcap format |
| 19:22.01 | Jyzygzel- | we shall then apt-get install it |
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| 19:22.07 | Wyzard | which is the native format used by both tcpdump and ethereal |
| 19:22.17 | Wyzard | (ethereal is now called wireshark, btw) |
| 19:22.23 | doogers | Wyzard, I want modify the debian installer :D I know mount with gzip and cpio... but I have any problem when I must repack it... excuse me for my orrible english... I'm italian :D |
| 19:22.25 | Jyzygzel- | O.O |
| 19:22.31 | Jyzygzel- | a Wireshark |
| 19:22.57 | Wyzard | doogers: The initrd doesn't contain the entire installer |
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| 19:24.00 | blinx | first I do an upgrade to sid |
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| 19:24.28 | Wyzard | doogers: The initrd is just used to get the root filesystem mounted so the real installer can be started |
| 19:24.38 | doogers | Wyzard, yes, I know... now I want modify the theme of debian installer |
| 19:24.42 | Jyzygzel- | holy cow |
| 19:24.45 | Jyzygzel- | tcpreplay WORKS |
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| 19:25.03 | Wyzard | doogers: You mean the GTK theme used by the graphical installer? |
| 19:25.08 | Wyzard | doogers: That wouldn't be in the initrd |
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| 19:27.11 | Jyzygzel- | is there a libcap editor? |
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| 19:27.21 | doogers | Wyzard, the theme is in /usr/share/theme |
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| 19:27.42 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: tcpslice might be interesting, though that's not really an editor |
| 19:28.02 | Jyzygzel- | i would like to be able to edit the capture |
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| 19:28.37 | Wyzard | doogers: The files in /usr/share/themes are almost certainly not in the initrd, because the initrd needs to be small so it only contains essential files |
| 19:28.44 | Wyzard | doogers: The theme is probably provided by a udeb |
| 19:29.45 | doogers | Wyzard, once I modifyed a theme and it is in /usr/share/themes... but I don't remeber now how I do |
| 19:29.49 | doogers | *did |
| 19:30.23 | Wyzard | doogers: Yes, themes are in /usr/share/themes |
| 19:30.31 | Wyzard | doogers: but the installer's /usr/share/themes does not come from its initrd |
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| 19:31.04 | adelec | Hello guys, can somebody point me to a C programming IRC channel? |
| 19:31.12 | Wyzard | adelec: ##c |
| 19:31.19 | adelec | OK will try |
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| 19:31.23 | doogers | Okok... but can you help me to repack the initrd image?? |
| 19:31.26 | doogers | please |
| 19:31.28 | doogers | Wyzard, |
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| 19:31.36 | Wyzard | hmm, a lot of people seem to be quitting because of "SendQ exceeded" |
| 19:31.46 | Wyzard | Is someone attacking freenode? |
| 19:31.55 | Wyzard | doogers: What I'm telling you is that you don't need to modify the initrd |
| 19:32.11 | az | hello, i am on testing, need backport for nvidia, do you have line i could add to sources.list ? |
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| 19:32.59 | gyges | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.20 | Jyzygzel- | jesus christ the linux printer support was wrong in so many levels |
| 19:33.20 | Wyzard | gyges: ntpdate is in a separate package, called "ntpdate" |
| 19:33.28 | gyges | oh ok |
| 19:33.31 | Wyzard | gyges: the "ntp" package is the ntpd daemon |
| 19:33.34 | Jyzygzel- | its just FUCKED |
| 19:33.36 | gyges | thanks |
| 19:33.40 | Wyzard | gyges: which is a good idea to run, btw |
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| 19:33.49 | gyges | Wyzard: in general then, what about my larger question |
| 19:33.57 | Wyzard | gyges: Not that I know of |
| 19:34.07 | Wyzard | gyges: The assumption is that if you install a system service, you want it running |
| 19:34.17 | gyges | so I have to install them, then disable/remove services |
| 19:34.33 | gyges | ok. not a great assumption, in my opinion, but I understand. |
| 19:34.35 | Wyzard | gyges: Well, if you don't want ntpd running, you'd just not install that package |
| 19:34.47 | Wyzard | gyges: Why would you install a daemon that you don't want? |
| 19:34.49 | gyges | I get it, I just don't agree with it :) |
| 19:34.52 | az | i am bit lost in releases. what shall i do to get nvidia on testing ? |
| 19:35.01 | Wyzard | It seems like a reasonable assumption to me |
| 19:35.05 | petemc | aol |
| 19:35.09 | Wyzard | az: nvidia packages currently aren't in testing for some reason, afaik |
| 19:35.11 | doogers | Wyzard, ok... but I modifyed, about 4 months ago, the initrd image, modifing the themes... I created the iso image and it worked |
| 19:35.15 | gyges | Wyzard: well like cpufreqd, I might want to install it for testing but not wanting it running RIGHT NOW |
| 19:35.27 | Wyzard | az: You can use the ones from unstable |
| 19:35.36 | az | Wyzard: i hear it is possible to get them from backport |
| 19:35.49 | petemc | gyges: so you disable it - whats the problem? |
| 19:35.52 | Wyzard | az: maybe; if so, check backports.org |
| 19:36.10 | az | but i think if i just dist-upgrade on unstable, i will break other things |
| 19:36.35 | Wyzard | az: Right, you don't want to upgrade your whole system |
| 19:36.44 | gyges | petemc: I guess the bottom line is that I am used to a system prompting me during install if I want to enable/disable or run the service in either init or xinetd, etc. all before starting anything, and I don't really like the loss of perceived control. |
| 19:37.05 | doogers | Wyzard, please... can yoy help me?? please |
| 19:37.09 | doogers | *you |
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| 19:37.22 | chuck | hi, how do i get javac? |
| 19:37.27 | petemc | gyges: theres no loss of control, you're free to disable it |
| 19:37.31 | adelec | the JDK |
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| 19:37.39 | gyges | yes, but *not* during the installation, is my point |
| 19:37.39 | Nemoder | chuck: sun-java6-jdk |
| 19:37.57 | gyges | you have to stop it after it started, and I don't fully understand why |
| 19:38.03 | gyges | why not just let me start it when I want to |
| 19:38.06 | sandman | Say, eh... if I were to find that my system was having hundreds of SSH connection attempts from, say, 81.115.238.250 |
| 19:38.07 | chuck | package not found |
| 19:38.14 | chuck | do i need to add non-free repos? |
| 19:38.17 | Nemoder | yes |
| 19:38.28 | Wyzard | gyges: because *typically* when someone installs a daemon, it's because they want to run it |
| 19:38.30 | gyges | sandman: ssh-bombing, change your ssh port from 22 if you feel like it |
| 19:38.31 | sandman | Which apparently resolves to mail.ntetgroup.com, and is located in italy |
| 19:38.42 | sandman | Yeah, but it's a legitimate business, it appears. |
| 19:38.48 | sandman | Why would OPTOTEC SSH-bomb me |
| 19:38.53 | chuck | hmm, i have the non-free repos but it still says not found |
| 19:38.58 | sandman | I have no idea what "OPTOTEC" is |
| 19:38.59 | gyges | you can email the admin there and ask him not to |
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| 19:39.09 | Nemoder | sandman: perhaps they are not in control of their machines |
| 19:39.10 | gyges | then how do you know its official business? |
| 19:39.12 | sandman | gyges: Do you suppose their systems have been hijacked? |
| 19:39.24 | gyges | sandman: I have no idea, I cannot guess |
| 19:39.27 | Wyzard | doogers: I just unpacked the initrd from the etch installer and there is no /usr/share/themes in it |
| 19:39.33 | sandman | Well, I'm going to nmap them and such, then. |
| 19:39.46 | sandman | See what ports they have open. If _they_ have SSH, too, then I'll know that perhaps they've been comprimised. |
| 19:39.49 | gyges | why not just email the admin there and ask? sandman |
| 19:39.59 | doogers | Wyzard, the initrd image in install.386/gtk |
| 19:40.02 | gyges | you might give him a heads up |
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| 19:40.09 | doogers | install.386/gtk/initrd.gz |
| 19:40.10 | sandman | gyges: I don't see any contact information on their site |
| 19:40.18 | sandman | I'd like to note that you cannot ping that address |
| 19:40.19 | doogers | Wyzard, there is it |
| 19:40.28 | sandman | Pings are blocked. I have to assume a firewall, then. |
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| 19:40.44 | Ramattack | Hi |
| 19:40.49 | gyges | sandman: its usually abuse@whatever |
| 19:41.03 | Ramattack | does anyone know how could I record a cd with k3b without space between songs... |
| 19:41.07 | sandman | Anyone here speak Italian? |
| 19:41.12 | Wyzard | doogers: hmm, it does contain a theme... weird; that really ought to be in a udeb |
| 19:41.21 | Ramattack | if I set to strip withespace handling I got the same spaces |
| 19:41.22 | sandman | Because that is apparently the language they use. |
| 19:41.22 | Jyzygzel- | record cd live :-D |
| 19:41.28 | Jyzygzel- | that would be funny |
| 19:41.40 | gyges | sandman: then use less language, and more logs |
| 19:41.46 | gyges | he can read numbers |
| 19:42.00 | Wyzard | doogers: Well, you'd repack it with the inverse of the way you unpacked it: make the initrd file with "cpio -o", and then compress it with gzip |
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| 19:42.36 | Wyzard | Ramattack: Are you talking about the 2-second gaps of silence between audio tracks? |
| 19:42.40 | Ramattack | yep |
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| 19:42.49 | Ramattack | I'm trying to copy techno sessions |
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| 19:42.57 | Ramattack | and that space is bad there... |
| 19:42.58 | gyges | sandman: it could be he has a problem and doesn't know. If he does know, then you are telling him you are onto him ;) |
| 19:42.59 | Wyzard | Ramattack: That has nothing to do with whitespace stripping (that's for spaces in filenames or whatever) |
| 19:43.09 | doogers | Wyzard, umh... :D ok thx... See this: http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6412/schermata1pf8.png |
| 19:43.19 | Wyzard | Ramattack: To burn a disc without gaps you need to burn in disc-at-once mode |
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| 19:43.23 | Ramattack | oh... |
| 19:43.31 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mate :) lets check |
| 19:43.39 | gyges | the cdrecord commandline would be -dao right Wyzard ? |
| 19:43.43 | Ramattack | and that remove space between songs? |
| 19:43.46 | Wyzard | Ramattack: DAO mode gives the burning software control over the track gaps... in TAO (track-at-once) mode the burner automatically adds the gaps |
| 19:44.12 | Wyzard | doogers: You might need to do something else to tell the burning software to use no gaps, though |
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| 19:44.43 | Ramattack | but I can only record in auto |
| 19:44.48 | Ramattack | have no more options... |
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| 19:45.11 | Octopus | Does anyone know if it's possible to run .wmv9 properly on amd64/debian? |
| 19:45.19 | Wyzard | Ramattack: I don't know what you mean by "record in auto" |
| 19:45.29 | doogers | Wyzard, ok... So, I must use only "cpio -o initrd" to repack? And after gzip? |
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| 19:45.33 | Ramattack | where you select |
| 19:45.35 | Ramattack | tao dao... |
| 19:45.38 | Ramattack | only have auto... |
| 19:45.47 | Octopssy | In which file do you set the sources for all your apt-get stuff again? |
| 19:45.51 | Wyzard | Ramattack: dunno about that, sorry... I don't use k3b |
| 19:45.58 | dvs | Octopssy: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:46.12 | Ramattack | and... after saying that |
| 19:46.13 | Wyzard | Ramattack: DAO is basically always preferable, btw, even when you don't want custom track gaps |
| 19:46.18 | Ramattack | using dao |
| 19:46.32 | Ramattack | I should set in k3b anyware to strip whitespaces? |
| 19:46.42 | Ramattack | I got them now... |
| 19:46.44 | Wyzard | Octopssy: I'm running amd64 and I've been able to play most of the WMV files I've encountered (which is admittedly not many), but I haven't checked what version they were |
| 19:46.49 | Ramattack | I wasn't entered.. a cd... |
| 19:47.16 | Wyzard | Ramattack: "whitespace" refers to space and tab characters in text |
| 19:47.27 | Wyzard | Ramattack: That setting probably refers to cleaning up filenames on a data CD |
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| 19:47.34 | Ramattack | oh ... |
| 19:47.39 | Ramattack | and then selecting dao |
| 19:47.40 | Wyzard | Ramattack: It has nothing to do with silent intervals in your audio |
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| 19:47.48 | Ramattack | should I select something more in k3b? |
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| 19:47.56 | Ramattack | or do something for removing that gaps? |
| 19:48.03 | Octopssy | Wyzard: Well, me too but in fact I have just encounted one in some mms plugin which wouldn't play, but nm, will find out myself |
| 19:48.05 | Wyzard | Ramattack: I don't know, because I don't use k3b |
| 19:48.12 | Wyzard | Ramattack: It might default to using no gaps in DAO mode, or it might not |
| 19:48.21 | Ramattack | ok will check :) |
| 19:48.28 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mate truthly :) |
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| 19:51.54 | massctrl | anyone knows if libapache2-mod-cband is being actively developed upstream? Since the latest version is 1 year ago and there are some bugs reported,.... |
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| 19:53.52 | abrotman | massctrl: i can't load the upstream website |
| 19:54.30 | massctrl | abrotman: me neither, ... on their website there's a later (stable) version than the sourceforge page |
| 19:55.06 | abrotman | maybe it's just temporary |
| 19:55.07 | massctrl | abrotman: so their sourceforge page doesn't look up to date, ... there are some annoying bugs open though,.. |
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| 19:57.15 | jelly-home | massctrl: you can always peek into their cvs/svn, if they're on sf.net it should be available via a web interface |
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| 19:58.32 | abrotman | jelly-home: sure .. if there were any files there |
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| 19:58.53 | jelly-home | I didn't take a look. |
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| 20:02.33 | doogers | Wyzard, excuse me... can you see this error?? I used "find -print | cpio -o > ../initrd" and after "gzip initrd initrd.gz" http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6063/schermata2qw8.png |
| 20:02.48 | sikkle | when you use apt-get to install apache2 or whatever, is there any way to make the installation put the file in /usr/local and not /etc/.. |
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| 20:03.41 | abrotman | sikkle: why would you? |
| 20:03.41 | Eulex | sikkle, eh, you want config files in /usr/local? |
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| 20:04.49 | sikkle | eulex ; yea. |
| 20:04.54 | Eulex | why? |
| 20:04.58 | sikkle | why not ? |
| 20:05.16 | Octopus | Hi, I'm running debian x86 for amd64, does anyone know some proper page where to get the new upd /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 20:05.18 | abrotman | because many things expect it in /etc/ |
| 20:05.25 | Eulex | because /etc is a standard location for global config files and /usr/local is not? |
| 20:05.39 | Eulex | also, I doubt apache would find it. |
| 20:05.51 | gyges | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.01 | gyges | looks like it, I am just looking for confirmation |
| 20:06.02 | abrotman | 2.6.18-5 .. yes |
| 20:06.02 | sikkle | Eulex; so the apache config go in /etc/, where do you put the software (bin) himself ? |
| 20:06.03 | Eulex | Octopus, x86 for amd64? |
| 20:06.03 | nkuttler | sikkle: just put them wherever you want and man apache2 |
| 20:06.11 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 20:06.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 20:06.12 | gyges | thanks abrotman |
| 20:06.13 | abrotman | Octopus: ^^ |
| 20:06.14 | Octopus | Eulex: eh confused |
| 20:06.15 | Octopus | lol |
| 20:06.16 | Octopus | sorry |
| 20:06.18 | Eulex | sikkle, /usr/bin |
| 20:06.30 | abrotman | or sbin or whereever |
| 20:06.40 | Eulex | Octopus, i386 or amd64? or perhaps i386 with an amd64 kernel? |
| 20:06.49 | Octopus | amd64! |
| 20:06.58 | spq | hmm, i have a problem with lm sensors - i ran sensors-detect, it gave me some lines for modules.conf (but i run a monolythic kernel, so this isnt needed) but sensors says No sensors found! |
| 20:07.19 | sikkle | Eulex; thanks for your time. |
| 20:07.21 | Eulex | Octopus, what do you mean by new updated sources.list? you want to upgrade from what to what? |
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| 20:07.39 | Octopus | Eulex: mine is fucked somehow currently |
| 20:07.48 | abrotman | !tell Octopus about sources.list |
| 20:08.07 | Eulex | Octopus, define 'fucked' |
| 20:08.28 | Octopus | 'fucked' as in accidently altered |
| 20:08.34 | Eulex | ok |
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| 20:09.06 | abrotman | how did you accidentally alter it? |
| 20:09.10 | Eulex | Octopus, running etch? |
| 20:09.16 | Octopus | Eulex: yes |
| 20:09.16 | spq | noone with knowledge about lm sensors? |
| 20:09.21 | Octopus | Eulex: can you pastebin.ca pls |
| 20:09.22 | tarzeau | spq: yes |
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| 20:09.46 | Eulex | Octopus, dpkg gave you nice instructions. |
| 20:09.52 | tarzeau | spq: i prefer to use mbmon, as it doesn't need the lm-sensors |
| 20:09.55 | Octopus | Eulex: it only pasted me 2 lines |
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| 20:10.28 | Eulex | Octopus, so? |
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| 20:11.06 | mpcovcd | Hey guys, I am trying to install debain from a floppy but all that happens is that the debain credit shows up (whomade it ) then it goes to a black screen and gets stuck there. |
| 20:11.22 | spq | hmm |
| 20:11.25 | spq | tarzeau, do i need other modules in the kernel |
| 20:11.27 | spq | ? |
| 20:11.32 | tarzeau | spq: no, it just works |
| 20:11.39 | abrotman | mpcovcd: anything special about the hardware? |
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| 20:12.03 | phogg | mpcovcd: which version of Debian? |
| 20:12.04 | Octopus | brb |
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| 20:12.24 | spanther | !ipw3945 |
| 20:12.24 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d |
| 20:12.39 | mpcovcd | debian-40r1-i386-netinst |
| 20:12.43 | mpcovcd | is the version |
| 20:13.17 | mpcovcd | Abrotman: I dont think so, its just a intel p4 |
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| 20:13.39 | abrotman | mpcovcd: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:13.53 | mpcovcd | hmm ok |
| 20:13.58 | mpcovcd | any one else have imput |
| 20:13.59 | mpcovcd | before I leave |
| 20:15.23 | qrck | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.41 | poncha | is there a possability of running two OSes simultaneousely? (ala Parallels on mac) ? |
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| 20:16.09 | xstation1 | i want to clear a pont about creating aliases, its done in /etc/aliases then update aliases.db is this correct ? |
| 20:16.24 | abrotman | which MTA ? |
| 20:16.40 | poncha | xstation1: "updating aliases.db" is )in most MTAs done by running "newaliases" |
| 20:16.55 | xstation1 | abrotman: postfix |
| 20:17.21 | abrotman | just run newaliases after editing the file .. and then it should update the db for you |
| 20:17.41 | poncha | and no daemon restart is needed btw |
| 20:17.47 | poncha | (just in case :) ) |
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| 20:22.21 | xstation1 | ok thanks for the aliases info, its just that i was confused by reading a article that said :after creating aliases in then it gies a few lines on how to do it then it says "And the launch command postalias /etc/postfix/ aliases to update the database alias. but the way i have just been informed here is much more simple |
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| 20:23.55 | xstation1 | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:24.03 | xstation1 | poncha: thanks |
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| 20:27.14 | xstation1 | i know what i am about to ask is a simple question but i just need to know the meaning of what i am doing in my procmailrc file i am going to place three lines like this |
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| 20:27.21 | xstation1 | :0 |
| 20:27.26 | xstation1 | * |
| 20:28.05 | xstation1 | "|/usr/bin/packagename -RM" |
| 20:28.25 | ma3x | ls |
| 20:28.32 | ma3x | wtf happened to my box? |
| 20:28.38 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.48 | ma3x | I have only xchat open and everything else is gone |
| 20:28.52 | ma3x | pwned? |
| 20:28.59 | ma3x | can't even do ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 20:29.02 | abrotman | ma3x: /var/log/syslog or messages ? |
| 20:29.15 | ma3x | abrot i can only use commands like /exec from xchat |
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| 20:29.25 | ma3x | sh: /bin/cat: Input/output error |
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| 20:29.47 | ma3x | suddenly all applications exited |
| 20:29.51 | ma3x | and I have only xchat now |
| 20:29.54 | ma3x | what should i do? |
| 20:30.18 | ma3x | when i hold my backspace key, it doesnt repeat it self |
| 20:30.27 | ma3x | im afraid somebody rooted my box |
| 20:30.43 | Eulex | what toolkit are all the other apps? |
| 20:30.45 | solar_sea | use a rescue cdrom to backup anything important, then proceed with the problem |
| 20:30.45 | abrotman | or your drive is dying |
| 20:30.56 | Eulex | ... using |
| 20:30.56 | ma3x | Eulex ?? |
| 20:30.59 | abrotman | or you did something like delete libc |
| 20:31.09 | ma3x | i didnt touch anything |
| 20:31.13 | ma3x | i heard this noise |
| 20:31.18 | ma3x | and i thought what is it |
| 20:31.21 | Eulex | ma3x, is any of the other apps a gtk2 apps too? |
| 20:31.23 | ma3x | and i got a towel wet it |
| 20:31.32 | ma3x | to clean the dust - therewas a little bit |
| 20:31.45 | ma3x | i thought the fan got stuck or something |
| 20:32.08 | ma3x | Eulex, i have a lot of gtk2 apps |
| 20:32.20 | ma3x | very weird |
| 20:32.27 | ma3x | what do you suggest? reboot? |
| 20:32.30 | ma3x | or do something with /exec ? |
| 20:32.40 | ma3x | sh: dmesg: command not found |
| 20:32.46 | solar_sea | reboot with a rescue cd and backup your files :) |
| 20:32.46 | Eulex | I'd suggest reading your logs |
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| 20:32.56 | ma3x | how can i read the logs? |
| 20:33.12 | Eulex | even less or cat doesn't work? |
| 20:33.17 | ma3x | let me check less |
| 20:33.23 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.38 | abrotman | Eulex: he's not likely to be able to read them as a normal user |
| 20:33.39 | ma3x | but it's only 2 years - my hd |
| 20:33.49 | Eulex | abrotman, true |
| 20:34.02 | abrotman | ma3x: that doesn't mean anything |
| 20:34.11 | ma3x | so what now? reboot rescue cd? |
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| 20:34.26 | abrotman | you could just try to reboot the machine and see if it lives .. though it might never boot again |
| 20:34.33 | abrotman | ma3x: does the same HDD have windows on it? |
| 20:34.34 | ma3x | lol |
| 20:34.43 | ma3x | abrotman, yes installed inside vmware |
| 20:34.52 | abrotman | that wasn't what i meant .. |
| 20:34.53 | ma3x | not on a separate partition |
| 20:35.03 | ma3x | i got only /dev/hda1+ /dev/hda2 swap |
| 20:35.08 | xstation1 | i just ran newaliases and i got the message postalias: warning: /etc/aliases.db: duplicate entry: "postmaster" |
| 20:35.28 | ma3x | abrotman, what do you mean? if i can boot windows? |
| 20:35.32 | ma3x | no |
| 20:35.51 | ma3x | ok so i go for a reboot |
| 20:35.52 | ma3x | ok? |
| 20:35.55 | abrotman | xstation1: so fix it |
| 20:36.06 | abrotman | ma3x: sure .. what's the worst that happens |
| 20:36.18 | ma3x | abrotman, I dunno you tell me? |
| 20:36.24 | Eulex | abrotman, not able to boot anymore? |
| 20:36.24 | ma3x | does hdd start dying slowly or at once? |
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| 20:36.42 | ma3x | i mean sh: /usr/bin/whois: Input/output error |
| 20:36.46 | ma3x | but whois works |
| 20:36.46 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.47 | xstation1 | ok it means that an entry for postmaster in aliases.db has been entered twice? |
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| 20:36.52 | ma3x | i mean 'who' |
| 20:36.54 | abrotman | ma3x: it depends .. some just die immediately .. some don't |
| 20:37.11 | ma3x | abrotman, so since it wont read files now |
| 20:37.18 | ma3x | does that mean its dead? |
| 20:37.21 | ma3x | or partly dead? |
| 20:37.24 | ma3x | or just a crash? |
| 20:37.28 | abrotman | ma3x: well .. sitting here chatting with us isn't helping you figure it out |
| 20:37.28 | Tramp | ma3x: what exactly did you do with the /wet/ towel? |
| 20:37.48 | ma3x | Tramp, just passed over where the fan shafts are |
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| 20:37.55 | ma3x | but the crash happened before i got to it |
| 20:38.04 | ma3x | i was listening some 'fan stucking' noise |
| 20:38.08 | ma3x | for about 10 minutes |
| 20:38.23 | ma3x | and i thought some dust or something is inside those little holes |
| 20:38.41 | ma3x | so i closed the lid and then it happened |
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| 20:38.46 | adelec | guys, I have a licensed displayed after synaptic finished installing a package, it's like a manual, I read till end, it display (END) what do I press to continue? |
| 20:38.48 | ma3x | let me reboot |
| 20:39.03 | abrotman | adelec: q |
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| 20:39.14 | adelec | great! |
| 20:39.33 | Eulex | adelec, that's how to exit less and more. |
| 20:39.46 | adelec | yeah on the terminal I use to do CTRL+Z lol |
| 20:39.54 | adelec | I dont know if it's right |
| 20:40.00 | Eulex | it's not |
| 20:40.11 | adelec | is CTRL+Z like a forced exit? |
| 20:40.14 | Eulex | you're not exiting the apps. you're suspending the processes. |
| 20:40.17 | Eulex | no. |
| 20:40.21 | Eulex | ctrl-c is. |
| 20:40.34 | pettern | is there any other logs then those in /var/log and /home/user/ that might explain why my X session freezes? |
| 20:40.41 | adelec | ctrl + c is forced quit, ctrl + z is suspend, what else shoudl I nkow |
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| 20:42.04 | adelec | has anyone tried real time linux on debian? |
| 20:42.09 | AndroidData | How do I set the nice level of a program which is already running? I of course have the PID but "nice -n <level> <pid>" doesn't work |
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| 20:42.19 | ma3x | it booted |
| 20:42.21 | ma3x | but i can't start kde |
| 20:42.23 | ma3x | some files are missing |
| 20:42.26 | Eulex | AndroidData, man renice |
| 20:42.27 | ma3x | it's a bad situation |
| 20:42.29 | ma3x | and i did ps aux i shows this root 3180 0.1 0.1 2660 1148 tty1 Ss 21:40 0:00 /bin/login -- |
| 20:42.36 | ma3x | why the hell? i didn't login as root |
| 20:42.41 | AndroidData | Eulex: ok. thanks. |
| 20:42.44 | ma3x | or is that normal? |
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| 20:43.00 | parentheses | try ps && |
| 20:43.12 | ma3x | what |
| 20:43.14 | adelec | real time linux? anybody? |
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| 20:43.21 | abrotman | ma3x: can you check logs in /var/log/ or not? |
| 20:43.31 | parentheses | it will tell you whether youre in a login |
| 20:43.33 | Arelis | Hi all. Can anyone help me with a Wii video output issue? http://www.wiigamer.nl/forum/thread.php?threadid=19796&sid= <-- look at the photo. is this normal on a monitor/tv combination? |
| 20:43.51 | abrotman | Arelis: wrong channel |
| 20:43.52 | parentheses | You are running Debian on your Wii ??! |
| 20:43.55 | parentheses | Coooool. |
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| 20:44.15 | Arelis | parentheses: no |
| 20:44.18 | Arelis | abrotman: where to ask? |
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| 20:44.29 | abrotman | Arelis: not here .. look for a video game channel |
| 20:44.35 | CyberGabber | .wc |
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| 20:44.37 | nkuttler | Arelis: probably even the wrong irc network |
| 20:44.40 | Arelis | abrotman: where? |
| 20:44.51 | abrotman | NFC .. find one |
| 20:44.54 | ma3x | abrotman nothing odd in syslog |
| 20:44.56 | abrotman | try /list |
| 20:45.02 | parentheses | heh |
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| 20:45.35 | ma3x | abrotman who? |
| 20:45.39 | parentheses | too bad /list isn't searchable |
| 20:45.51 | abrotman | parentheses: /lastlog wii |
| 20:45.56 | parentheses | ah |
| 20:46.05 | DawnLight | what package gives me the svn command? |
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| 20:46.21 | ma3x | abrotman what do i do? |
| 20:46.24 | abrotman | Arelis: there's a ##wii |
| 20:46.37 | abrotman | ma3x: try to figure out what's wrong |
| 20:46.59 | parentheses | hey abrotman, whats the diff bw # & ## channels/ |
| 20:47.00 | parentheses | ? |
| 20:47.15 | abrotman | see the freenode.net faq |
| 20:47.16 | ma3x | abrotman now everything seems normal X opened |
| 20:47.21 | ma3x | what the heck is really going on |
| 20:47.26 | ma3x | first files are missing |
| 20:47.27 | ma3x | then again |
| 20:47.29 | ma3x | now fine |
| 20:47.36 | ma3x | how the fock is that possible? |
| 20:47.40 | pettern | is there any other logs then those in /var/log and /home/user/ that might explain why my X session freezes? |
| 20:47.47 | DawnLight | yo what package gives me the svn command? |
| 20:47.58 | oraut | Arelis, /cs list *wii* |
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| 20:48.59 | keith4_ | DawnLight: subversion |
| 20:49.00 | parentheses | svn: nothing appropriate |
| 20:49.02 | parentheses | (sarge) |
| 20:49.05 | abrotman | DawnLight: yo .. /msg dpkg search |
| 20:49.20 | DawnLight | yo thanks |
| 20:49.26 | mhall | Has anybody discovered how to get mutt to use an HTML text browser to decode mail bodies sent in HTML by the @#$%ing broken MUAs out there? This really blows. |
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| 20:50.16 | parentheses | (hello) |
| 20:50.24 | abrotman | can you stop that? |
| 20:50.34 | parentheses | mhall- so the MUA is stripping off the non-html mime part? |
| 20:50.53 | abrotman | mhall: doesn't it attach them ? |
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| 20:51.57 | parentheses | hey, where is format in GParted ?? |
| 20:51.58 | mhall | abrotman: parentheses : i tried using mailcap but it didn't seem to work so my guess is that it's in the body instead of attachment, plus that appears to be what it looks like in mutt compared to when i've seen proper mime mails before |
| 20:52.19 | simonrvn | parentheses: 'format'? |
| 20:52.23 | mhall | abrotman: parentheses : if you can tell me how to get mutt to say what maildir file it read in a mail from i'll go check the maildir copy of the mail to be sure |
| 20:52.30 | parentheses | haha |
| 20:52.41 | parentheses | I am trying to install Debian on a drive that had Lindows on it |
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| 20:52.48 | abrotman | mhall: i can't .. but it should be easy to grep the dir and get the file name |
| 20:52.53 | parentheses | for some reason the Lindows loader won't go away |
| 20:53.04 | parentheses | even though Gparted sees the drive as totally unallocated |
| 20:53.25 | xstation1 | just installed procmail which is in /usr/bin but cannot seem to find procmailrc? |
| 20:53.28 | simonrvn | oh, you wanna write zeos to it or something? use dd |
| 20:53.33 | simonrvn | zeroes* |
| 20:53.33 | mhall | abrotman: yeah i found it |
| 20:53.42 | mhall | abrotman: these @#%heads put the HTML right in the body |
| 20:53.44 | mhall | abrotman: no MIME |
| 20:53.45 | parentheses | oh that could work, but really I only want to zero out the MBR |
| 20:53.50 | abrotman | mhall: so delete it .. :) |
| 20:54.01 | parentheses | dont really want to spend all day zeroing the whole thing |
| 20:54.07 | abrotman | parentheses: bs=512 count=1 |
| 20:54.10 | simonrvn | so zero out that part of the drive :) |
| 20:54.22 | parentheses | that will just write a 512 block once |
| 20:54.26 | mhall | abrotman: yeah the trouble is these mails come from an online store |
| 20:54.32 | simonrvn | like abrotman just said, use those options to do that |
| 20:54.34 | mhall | abrotman: so it's not an end-user i can just bitch at |
| 20:54.38 | abrotman | mhall: did you buy something from them? |
| 20:54.45 | DawnLight | does "make install" do something to my system? |
| 20:54.52 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:55.00 | parentheses | mhall several/many mailers do that |
| 20:55.15 | parentheses | there is a declarative to separate the mime parts |
| 20:55.19 | wAndyw78 | DawnLight: Just have a look at the Makefile... |
| 20:55.30 | DawnLight | wAndyw78: yo thanks |
| 20:55.31 | mhall | abrotman: yeah... unfortunately |
| 20:55.40 | mhall | parentheses: right but is there a workaround |
| 20:55.57 | abrotman | parentheses: yeah .. which this mail doesn't have |
| 20:56.07 | parentheses | mutt should just read the text section up the the html mime declaration |
| 20:56.09 | abrotman | mhall: lynx <mail> :) |
| 20:56.14 | parentheses | oh so its mal formated |
| 20:56.18 | parentheses | bounce it |
| 20:56.20 | parentheses | ;-) |
| 20:56.24 | wols_ | parentheses: install grub |
| 20:56.32 | parentheses | thanks wols_ |
| 20:56.41 | wols_ | having partitions has nothing to do with bootloaders |
| 20:57.04 | parentheses | oh i thought the bootloader was the first part of the first partition |
| 20:57.11 | parentheses | *on* |
| 20:57.37 | DawnLight | wAndyw78: i see in the makefile it does some stuff to my system. is there an automagic way to undo these things also? |
| 20:57.40 | parentheses | wols- can you tell me the syntax to put a fresh grub on there |
| 20:57.57 | parentheses | the drive is unallocated and booting from a live cd |
| 20:58.19 | mhall | parentheses: come on man... don't you have any ideas? |
| 20:58.24 | abrotman | grub-install |
| 20:58.37 | wAndyw78 | DawnLight: No, there could also exist a "uninstall" target, but you can't be sure that this restore all changes |
| 20:58.39 | abrotman | mhall: it's a malformed mail to begin with |
| 20:58.56 | parentheses | right grub-install, just didn't know if there should be any arguments |
| 20:59.07 | parentheses | ("is this the right place for an argument?") |
| 20:59.10 | simonrvn | man it then you'll know |
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| 20:59.18 | parentheses | just did simon |
| 20:59.24 | simonrvn | cool |
| 20:59.25 | DawnLight | wAndyw78: well there isn't. i've never done this. i'm used to apt doing it all neatly |
| 20:59.44 | parentheses | i told you once |
| 20:59.51 | parentheses | "no you didn't" |
| 20:59.55 | parentheses | etc... |
| 21:00.00 | mhall | abrotman: yeah i know it's broken... believe me i wish i could fix it |
| 21:00.02 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 21:00.10 | abrotman | mhall: you could |
| 21:00.10 | qrck | can someone tell me why my tty7 is totally ignored ? though the entry in inittab exists ? and there is no Xorg running ? |
| 21:00.11 | parentheses | (argument clinic) |
| 21:00.17 | mhall | abrotman: and i do try to get rid of broken mails as often as i can |
| 21:00.25 | wAndyw78 | DawnLight: you can edit the existing Makfile... create an uninstall target |
| 21:00.27 | simonrvn | heh |
| 21:00.29 | mhall | abrotman: not really... it's a huge world with a lot more morons |
| 21:00.34 | parentheses | yes and can someone tell me how to set up more ttys than I have F keys? |
| 21:00.35 | abrotman | mhall: just edit the mail and make it a mime compliant mail :) |
| 21:00.38 | parentheses | I seem to have run out |
| 21:00.46 | abrotman | parentheses: /etc/inittab |
| 21:01.25 | simonrvn | parentheses: add them in inittab |
| 21:01.25 | DawnLight | yo thanks wAndyw78 |
| 21:01.26 | abrotman | or use screen |
| 21:01.26 | mhall | abrotman: :-/ |
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| 21:01.26 | simonrvn | !screen++ |
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| 21:01.42 | simonrvn | @wb themill |
| 21:01.43 | ravenbird | Welcome back themill, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of cheese. |
| 21:01.47 | wAndyw78 | apropos screen |
| 21:01.56 | themill | Hi simonrvn! |
| 21:02.04 | simonrvn | hey there |
| 21:02.15 | themill | simonrvn: I've been around a bit.... but not as much as usual. Too much w*rk. |
| 21:02.23 | simonrvn | mm |
| 21:02.24 | parentheses | ooops brb , gf is here for surprise inspection |
| 21:02.27 | wAndyw78 | what happens if a remote host producess output to a ssh connected console |
| 21:02.42 | wAndyw78 | if the network connection gets lost? |
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| 21:02.53 | simonrvn | parentheses: i won't 'inspection of what' since that's likely to be TMI |
| 21:03.03 | simonrvn | won't ask* |
| 21:03.21 | themill | heh |
| 21:03.28 | wAndyw78 | I saw the remote host "freezing" after some minutes |
| 21:03.36 | themill | for a change, I actually have a question not just on the other end of things..... |
| 21:03.55 | abrotman | themill: you cannot ask |
| 21:04.02 | themill | How do I change what app icedove is using to open attachments? Specifically, PDF and jpg attachments.... |
| 21:04.05 | themill | abrotman: thanks.... |
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| 21:04.43 | abrotman | themill: did you try changing the gnome preferred application? |
| 21:05.02 | Curley_Sue | I will appreciate it if anyone could take a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44176/ . I have no idea how to solve and would greatly appreciate any help! |
| 21:05.40 | abrotman | themill: if that fails .. check your prefs.js |
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| 21:05.57 | abrotman | Curley_Sue: you'd ask #ubuntu |
| 21:05.59 | themill | abrotman: under gnome preferred apps (in gnome control centre), I only have www browser, mailto handler and terminal app. |
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| 21:06.06 | themill | abrotman: prefs.js eep! |
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| 21:06.42 | Curley_Sue | abrotman: no one knows... anyway - it's a linux thing not ubuntu's..! |
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| 21:06.57 | abrotman | Curley_Sue: then ask ##linux |
| 21:07.54 | wAndyw78 | Curley_Sue: try to track down the problem: what does dmesg tell you, when you modprobe saa7146 |
| 21:08.31 | mhall | !tell Curley_Sue about based on debian |
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| 21:09.24 | ma3x | i wanna find out how to disfigure my laptop. is that included in the user manual? |
| 21:09.25 | wAndyw78 | Curley_Sue: Does the module found the hardware? AnyErrors reportet in der logs? |
| 21:09.25 | wAndyw78 | "It doesn't work" is not enough info. So try to collect more infos |
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| 21:09.38 | ManuP | how do i install a pci controller for usb 2.0_ |
| 21:09.41 | ManuP | ? |
| 21:09.47 | mhall | abrotman: you know, answering ubuntu kernel questions is a waste of time... they successfully engineered their distro in such a way it's not possible to compile a working kernel using the debian kernel-package method from kernel.org sources |
| 21:09.53 | streuner | wAndyw78: what kind of problem do you have? |
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| 21:10.12 | abrotman | wAndyw78: if you want to help Curley_Sue .. go to #ubuntu please |
| 21:10.18 | mhall | abrotman: their update-grub has been hacked to use UUID device instead of real device like /dev/sda, and that panics on boot unless you have some weird kind of patch in your source |
| 21:10.23 | wAndyw78 | ManuP: Plug in the device |
| 21:10.24 | Curley_Sue | abrotman: it is about using an analog camera on a Debian based machine. what is the proble> |
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| 21:10.31 | Curley_Sue | abrotman: problem* |
| 21:10.32 | mhall | abrotman: nor is there any configuration variable to disable this brain-damaged behavior |
| 21:10.34 | abrotman | Curley_Sue: we do NOT support debian based distros here |
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| 21:10.40 | mhall | abrotman: so i give up helping with kernels in ubuntu |
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| 21:10.51 | mhall | abrotman: if they fucked that up who knows what else they might do |
| 21:10.52 | themill | Curley_Sue: unfortunately, there's little we can do, but do try /msg dpkg hcl |
| 21:11.03 | wAndyw78 | abrotman: I don't want to go to ubuntu... |
| 21:11.21 | abrotman | wAndyw78: ubuntu is OT here |
| 21:11.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | wAndyw78, lol |
| 21:11.34 | ManuP | wAndyw78, i did, but it dont work. plugging an usbstick does nothing. even dmesg dont tell about an usb-device which is plugged... |
| 21:11.49 | simonrvn | turn off the computer, unplug it, open the case, discharge any static before you touch any electronics, insert the card the right direction, close case, plug it in, turn it on, insert module for it once booted. |
| 21:11.52 | wAndyw78 | abrotman: And the really helpful hint, (that you could also give) is, to colelct more informations from the logfiles |
| 21:11.55 | ManuP | wAndyw78, in lspci i have: 01:09.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. Unknown device 2038 (rev 61) |
| 21:12.02 | ManuP | which is the new device |
| 21:12.03 | abrotman | update-pciids |
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| 21:13.01 | ManuP | abrotman, then reboot_ |
| 21:13.06 | ManuP | ? |
| 21:13.11 | wAndyw78 | abrotman: And the problem is not ubuntu specific... |
| 21:13.12 | abrotman | ManuP: you shoulnd't have to |
| 21:13.18 | ajksdflkj | anyone have a etch compiz fusion kde howto? |
| 21:13.22 | abrotman | wAndyw78: the distro is .. please don't argue |
| 21:13.30 | Curley_Sue | wAndyw78: themill thanx a lot! the problem is - the machine is in university and so can't irc from there... what should I look for in dmesg? |
| 21:13.38 | wAndyw78 | abrotman: ...for windows users? |
| 21:13.45 | abrotman | wAndyw78: ##windows |
| 21:14.08 | mhall | Curley_Sue: not even on different port? |
| 21:14.13 | ManuP | abrotman, still no event in dmesg... |
| 21:14.26 | abrotman | go to #ubuntu .. why is this hard? |
| 21:14.36 | streuner | !ubuntu |
| 21:14.36 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 21:14.36 | abrotman | ManuP: no . i mean after update-pciids it will be updated |
| 21:14.45 | themill | Curley_Sue: there are irc clients that are plugins for firefox/iceweasel, or cgi gateways to irc that you can probably use |
| 21:15.13 | ma3x | does smartmontools notify you if your disk is dying |
| 21:15.15 | ManuP | why should i go to ubuntu, if i want help from debian users? |
| 21:15.19 | abrotman | ManuP: not you |
| 21:15.23 | Curley_Sue | themill: i'll look for that! thank you again, that is very kind! |
| 21:15.24 | streuner | ma3x: sure |
| 21:15.26 | ManuP | k |
| 21:15.28 | wAndyw78 | themill: STOP, abrotman didn't allow us to help ubuntu users.... |
| 21:15.35 | ma3x | streuner, where in dmesg? |
| 21:15.36 | streuner | ma3x: if you can read its logs |
| 21:15.45 | abrotman | wAndyw78: it's not just me .. you can get banned from this channel if you persist |
| 21:15.45 | Curley_Sue | mhall: as far as I was told it is blocked. |
| 21:15.53 | simonrvn | wAndyw78: wth |
| 21:16.08 | Curley_Sue | mhall: only port 8080 is open (proxy) any idea how to use it? |
| 21:16.12 | wAndyw78 | abrotman: Come on, I suggested to collect more infos and have a look at the logfiles |
| 21:16.12 | mbroeker | Curley_Sue, lspci -x -d 1131:7146 |
| 21:16.20 | mbroeker | Curley_Sue, do you get output? |
| 21:16.30 | ManuP | abrotman, still, after unplugging and replugging the usb-device, it dont works. |
| 21:16.31 | streuner | ma3x: /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages, NOT dmesg |
| 21:16.39 | abrotman | ManuP: i thought it was pci ? |
| 21:16.49 | ma3x | streuner, what goes to syslog and messages goes to dmesg too |
| 21:16.54 | streuner | ma3x: read linux-user.de (search for smartmontools) |
| 21:17.00 | ManuP | abrotman, it is a pci-card which offers me 3 usb 2.0 ports. |
| 21:17.11 | abrotman | ManuP: lspci .. is it recognized now ? |
| 21:17.16 | ManuP | abrotman, i only have usb 1.0 on the mainboard... |
| 21:17.25 | simonrvn | "only" |
| 21:17.34 | ManuP | abrotman, of course, it was before too |
| 21:17.34 | abrotman | simonrvn: just because you have firewire! |
| 21:17.44 | abrotman | ManuP: no it wasn't |
| 21:17.46 | streuner | wAndyw78: care to read /topic? |
| 21:17.47 | simonrvn | heheh i don't have f/w |
| 21:17.50 | abrotman | <ManuP> wAndyw78, in lspci i have: 01:09.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. Unknown device 2038 (rev 61) |
| 21:17.52 | ma3x | streuner, my laptop is fujitsu-siemens.de (they don't provide manual how to open my laptop) where do i get one? i cant remove the plastic where the power button is |
| 21:18.08 | ManuP | abrotman, yeah, the same now... |
| 21:18.37 | streuner | ma3x: well, buy an IBM, they have manuals for everything :-) |
| 21:18.40 | ManuP | abrotman, i thougt, USB Controller: VIA Technologies is enough... |
| 21:18.47 | streuner | ma3x: online :-) |
| 21:18.49 | abrotman | ManuP: lspci -n .. get the pciid for that device .. then grep /lib/modules/uname -r/modules.pcimap for that number |
| 21:19.02 | abrotman | ManuP: if it doesn't return anything .. your kernel may not support it |
| 21:19.23 | ManuP | abrotman, 0c03: or 1106:2038_ |
| 21:19.36 | ManuP | abrotman, oh, sorryu |
| 21:19.37 | abrotman | 1106:2038 |
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| 21:19.59 | ManuP | abrotman, full line: 01:09.0 0c03: 1106:2038 (rev 61) |
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| 21:20.14 | abrotman | ManuP: FYI .. i'm using lenny and i don't get a match for that device in 2.6.22 |
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| 21:21.18 | et | ban TOMA4ATO_MONSTAH before he does stupid things ;) |
| 21:21.39 | ManuP | abrotman, okay, i dont get a match as well. |
| 21:21.52 | ManuP | abrotman, will check the homepage for drivers... |
| 21:21.53 | abrotman | ManuP: you might need a newer kernel for support for that |
| 21:21.56 | simonrvn | ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? |
| 21:22.06 | ManuP | abrotman, the card is over 1 year old... |
| 21:22.07 | abrotman | simonrvn: this is america! .. get with the times! |
| 21:22.11 | jelly-home | et: That's so discriminating against tomato monsters. |
| 21:22.13 | abrotman | wait .. this is irc |
| 21:22.20 | et | simonrvn: well, 221749 < TOMA4ATO_MONSTAH> WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 21:22.28 | et | (##php) |
| 21:22.33 | et | and repeated |
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| 21:22.39 | abrotman | he's been doing it for a few days |
| 21:22.40 | simonrvn | i'm not in ##php |
| 21:22.50 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's happened here too |
| 21:23.03 | simonrvn | didn't see it. thanks for update |
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| 21:23.47 | Curley_Sue | thanx for whoever wanted to help. my apologies to whoever was badly affected by my presence. byebye |
| 21:24.16 | simonrvn | Curley_Sue: good luck |
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| 21:25.19 | ManuP | abrotman, http://www.delock.de/produkte/gruppen/IO+Karten/USB20_PCI_Karte_2+1_Port_89040.html?action=showdriver& this is the card. any chance to get it work? |
| 21:25.55 | wAndyw78 | ManuP: Which chipset? the big black one... |
| 21:26.23 | wAndyw78 | ManuP: VIA.... |
| 21:26.33 | ManuP | wAndyw78, ? i dont understand that question... yeah, VIA |
| 21:27.32 | ma3x | what is the word or expression in english for "opening my laptop" ? |
| 21:27.35 | ma3x | disfigure or what? |
| 21:27.52 | abrotman | opening the lid? |
| 21:28.01 | Wyzard | ma3x: or disassembling it? |
| 21:28.03 | ma3x | abrotman, the laptop |
| 21:28.05 | ma3x | yeah thats it |
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| 21:28.13 | abrotman | might end up being disfigured :) |
| 21:28.18 | wAndyw78 | ManuP: "delock" doesn't help here. On the PCI Card is a controller from VIA, you should use this chipnumber to search for a linux module |
| 21:28.27 | simonrvn | .:16:11:49:. <simonrvn> turn off the computer, unplug it, open the case, discharge any static before you touch any electronics, insert the card the right direction, close case, plug it in, turn it on, insert module for it once booted. |
| 21:28.32 | ma3x | abrotman, ha |
| 21:28.34 | Wyzard | ma3x: "open" could mean to lift the lid (so you can see the screen and keyboard) or to disassemble it, depending on the context |
| 21:28.36 | ma3x | thanks Wyzard |
| 21:28.55 | ma3x | Wyzard, i wanna see the keyboard |
| 21:29.19 | Wyzard | ma3x: then you'd just say "lift the lid" or "open the lid" |
| 21:29.23 | ManuP | wAndyw78, do i check the number physically on the card or can i view it with a command? |
| 21:29.49 | ma3x | Wyzard, I mean I wanna see what's under the keyboard |
| 21:29.53 | simonrvn | that's what lspci is for... |
| 21:30.00 | Wyzard | ma3x: ah |
| 21:30.23 | Wyzard | ma3x: Well, you could say "disassemble", but that implies taking it apart completely |
| 21:30.28 | Wyzard | ma3x: I'd just say "take out the keyboard" |
| 21:30.29 | wAndyw78 | simonrvn: the reported PID isn't in modules.pcimap |
| 21:30.45 | simonrvn | and? |
| 21:30.47 | Wyzard | ma3x: (or "remove the keyboard", etc.) |
| 21:30.59 | ma3x | Wyzard, yeah but google returns better results with disassemble |
| 21:31.43 | Wyzard | ma3x: If you're looking for instructions on how to disassemble it correctly, the manufacturer might have a "service manual" that you can download |
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| 21:31.56 | Wyzard | ma3x: I know IBM/Lenovo have them for all ThinkPads |
| 21:32.17 | abrotman | they even have movies :) |
| 21:32.41 | ma3x | scary movies |
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| 21:32.45 | streuner | Wyzard: thats what i told him 5 minutes before |
| 21:33.02 | ma3x | Wyzard, this one fujitsu-siemens they dont have |
| 21:33.07 | Wyzard | ok |
| 21:33.08 | Wyzard | oh well |
| 21:33.17 | ma3x | ive sent them an email for support they didnt reply me yet (its been 3 months) |
| 21:33.20 | ma3x | what a bs company |
| 21:33.25 | ManuP | abrotman, wAndyw87 thanks for help, will work tomorrow on that again, gn8 |
| 21:33.36 | themill | abrotman: got the icedove attachments problem -- if you double click on the attachment then it asks you what to ask for (an option that you don't have on the context menu for the attachment). |
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| 21:33.38 | streuner | ma3x: why? |
| 21:33.46 | sauvin | "gn8"? |
| 21:33.47 | Wyzard | I've taken apart (disassembled) a few laptops without directions... it's not too difficult as long as you're careful and you keep track of which screw goes where |
| 21:33.50 | themill | abrotman: wife now happy.... /me now happy... all good :) |
| 21:33.55 | streuner | the want make money and dont make free support like # |
| 21:33.56 | sauvin | "gnacht"? |
| 21:33.58 | streuner | debian ;-) |
| 21:34.06 | abrotman | themill: bah .. tell her she'll get what she gets and like it ? |
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| 21:34.27 | streuner | ma3x: if they dont have them online, its more work... |
| 21:34.30 | ma3x | streuner, bad support, not good computers ( my screen blinks sometimes and the cpu shuts down when it overheats - I have to cpufreq-set 1.8 instead of running normaly at 2,2) |
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| 21:34.48 | ma3x | streuner, i cant find it online |
| 21:35.13 | Wyzard | ma3x: Overheating can be caused by the fan's vents being clogged with dust |
| 21:35.46 | themill | abrotman: yeah well... when the gimp couldn't/didn't open the second attachment (I don't think icedove uses gimp-remote properly) that was causing problems... it wasn't doing anything. |
| 21:35.46 | ma3x | Wyzard, yeah thats why im trying to open it |
| 21:36.02 | themill | abrotman: I've got a total newbie on my hands here so I'm trying to be good ;) |
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| 21:36.15 | abrotman | themill: hehe |
| 21:37.14 | themill | abrotman: well... she's been using t'bird and firefox for a few years and cygwin a lot... but she turned around the other day and said "can you install linux on my new laptop not windows" ?! |
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| 21:37.38 | themill | abrotman: another small step for (a) man, another giant leap for mankind... |
| 21:37.59 | sauvin | Womankind, at least :D |
| 21:38.05 | abrotman | themill: and it mostly works huh ? |
| 21:38.41 | themill | abrotman: yep... a little cxoffice magic to smooth over some of the bumps and we have a mostly quite happy debian user. |
| 21:39.05 | abrotman | can't use OO ? |
| 21:39.11 | jelly-home | if that's the only commercial software, that's reasonably cheap |
| 21:39.14 | themill | abrotman: Albeit lenny not etch as etch's X couldn't cope at all with the intel 965 chipset :( |
| 21:39.35 | abrotman | vesa! |
| 21:39.35 | themill | abrotman: no... Oo doesn't cut it for scientific writing. |
| 21:39.41 | abrotman | latex! |
| 21:39.46 | themill | abrotman: couldn't even do vesa that under etch |
| 21:39.47 | jelly-home | abrotman: kinky |
| 21:39.56 | Wyzard | themill: MSOffice cuts it for scientific writing? |
| 21:40.01 | Wyzard | themill: Teach her to use LaTeX :-) |
| 21:40.09 | abrotman | i thought latex was the defacto standard for scientific writing ? |
| 21:40.16 | themill | abrotman: I'm happy with latex... she's happy to try, but she's got to get the boss to do it too |
| 21:40.22 | Wyzard | ah |
| 21:40.35 | abrotman | themill: raw XML ? :) |
| 21:40.46 | themill | abrotman: latex only for compsci and maths..... chemistry, bio, medico etc is all very wordy. Even wordperfect in some places |
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| 21:41.12 | jelly-home | Good ole WP51? |
| 21:41.23 | themill | abrotman: it's things like reference management that are the showstopper for OOo. Endnote is just so good and there's no equivalent for OOo. |
| 21:41.29 | themill | :( |
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| 21:41.44 | abrotman | i've never seen endnote |
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| 21:42.01 | ma3x | wtf? sites charge $7 for a damn service manual |
| 21:42.22 | Wyzard | ma3x: That's not unreasonable if it's for a physical printed copy |
| 21:42.28 | el_isma | Hello. Do you know of any debian livecd which would let me persist the changes made to a file on a USB stick? (and automatically recover them at boot) |
| 21:42.33 | ma3x | Wyzard, for download |
| 21:42.39 | Wyzard | ma3x: oh, that's stupid |
| 21:42.49 | ma3x | laptopmanualsnow.com and www.9manuals.com |
| 21:42.55 | jelly-home | ma3x: for some obsolete hardware? tanstaafl |
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| 21:43.31 | ma3x | jelly-home, for disassembling my laptop |
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| 21:43.58 | themill | abrotman: it's a reference management program. Think author/date/journal/issue/pagenum/abstract database that integrates into word so that your footnoted or endnoted references are take care of automagically in whatever the journal-de-jour's format is. Think bibtex+jabref (or bibtex+pybliographer) |
| 21:44.05 | jelly-home | ma3x: the manufacturer site doesn't carry it? |
| 21:44.23 | themill | abrotman: it's so good, it's almost a deal-breaker not to have it. |
| 21:44.28 | abrotman | themill: sounds complicated! |
| 21:44.44 | ma3x | jelly-home, nope (fujitsu siemens) |
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| 21:44.53 | Marco | what font does 'monospace' point to? |
| 21:44.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know of a text-to-speech program that outputs .mp3/.ogg files for each job, rather than for each sentence (as festival does) |
| 21:44.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | ? |
| 21:44.59 | ma3x | btw jelly-home you learned some cool shortcuts (abbrs) |
| 21:45.00 | themill | abrotman: it beats sitting down and working out which is ref 1, which is ref 2 etc... throughout a 400 page document. |
| 21:45.12 | ma3x | jelly-home, decode this: qgepin |
| 21:45.25 | jelly-home | ma3x: no. |
| 21:45.58 | ma3x | jelly-home, yes. |
| 21:45.59 | abrotman | themill: that's for sure |
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| 21:46.09 | qrck | aren't there any security.debian.org/debian sid/updates ? |
| 21:46.10 | abrotman | themill: but if you did it while writing .. probably take less time |
| 21:46.14 | abrotman | qrck: no |
| 21:46.20 | qrck | ok |
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| 21:46.57 | blinx | now gdm ran 5mins => then it hangs again |
| 21:47.01 | CyberGabber | el_isma: not quite debian, but the principe is written in http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/02/12/usb-ubuntu-tutorial-for-linux-users/ |
| 21:47.02 | Wyzard | qrck: Only stable releases get support from the security team |
| 21:47.16 | Wyzard | qrck: (and testing in the final days when it's close to being released) |
| 21:47.18 | sebas891 | hi folks, I want to backport icedove (sid version) to etch but the sid version depends on gcc4.2... which is not availble in etch. any clues? |
| 21:47.35 | blinx | what can I do to fix the hanging caused by the nvidia driver? (m-a auto-install nvidia, debian 32bit, sid)? |
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| 21:47.56 | Wyzard | sebas891: if it really depends on that GCC version to compile, you'll have to backport gcc4.2 too |
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| 21:48.26 | Wyzard | blinx: Under what circumstances does it hang? |
| 21:48.38 | el_isma | CyberGabber: thanks, but I'm not keen on partitioning my usb stick. It plays mp3 too, and I'm afraid it might break. |
| 21:48.53 | sebas891 | Wyzard: I thought about this, but that is not a small task I think. or I worry too much... |
| 21:48.55 | blinx | Wyzard: iceweasel/icedove and only one terminal |
| 21:49.08 | qrck | and what about this i18n-Translation-de package from german servers ? if i put them in sources list i get that and an apt-get error... |
| 21:49.19 | blinx | Wyzard: you have expierence with that? |
| 21:49.22 | Wyzard | blinx: Always? Or randomly and unpredictably? |
| 21:49.43 | blinx | Wyzard: each time I started gdm after my fresh installation today |
| 21:49.49 | Wyzard | blinx: I've seen occasional random X lockups (roughly one per day) with nVidia on an old box |
| 21:50.11 | Wyzard | blinx: I believe that one's a known driver bug that nVidia hasn't fixed, but it seems to be hardware-dependent since it only happened on that system |
| 21:50.13 | blinx | Wyzard: but the time when it hangs is from each gdm start different |
| 21:50.26 | blinx | Wyzard: Geforce 6600GT |
| 21:50.35 | Jyzygzel- | EXIM SUX |
| 21:50.40 | Wyzard | blinx: When it hangs, see if you can ssh in from another box (it might take a long time to connect) and run "top" to see if X is using 100% CPU |
| 21:50.41 | Jyzygzel- | i need a new SMTP server |
| 21:50.43 | Jyzygzel- | tell names |
| 21:50.48 | qrck | i also have problems starting gdm parser error ServAuthDir or ServAuthLib/var/lib/gdm cannot be parsed or so.... |
| 21:50.51 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: postfix seems nice |
| 21:50.51 | qrck | gah |
| 21:50.53 | el_isma | blinx: which nvidia package are you using? |
| 21:50.58 | Jyzygzel- | ill try that thjen |
| 21:50.59 | qrck | wth |
| 21:51.01 | blinx | Wyzard: I can switch to the virtual consoles... |
| 21:51.13 | blinx | Wyzard: and htop has nothing with X = 100% |
| 21:51.14 | blinx | really |
| 21:51.15 | Wyzard | blinx: hmm, that's a different problem than the one I encountered, then |
| 21:51.26 | blinx | el_isma: from sid repo |
| 21:51.43 | blinx | el_isma: compiled and installed with m-a auto-install |
| 21:51.46 | Wyzard | blinx: I've never seen that one before, and I'm using nVidia on both i386 and amd64 |
| 21:51.51 | el_isma | blinx: I had to use nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx for my 5200. |
| 21:52.07 | qrck | and there are no ati drivers left in Xorg....???? |
| 21:52.12 | qrck | bah |
| 21:52.14 | blinx | I also tried the official nvidia binary |
| 21:52.19 | blinx | the same effect... |
| 21:52.21 | Wyzard | A 6800 doesn't use the legacy driver |
| 21:52.47 | Wyzard | blinx: Long shot, but any messages in /var/log/sys/log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log when it happens? |
| 21:52.51 | blinx | Wyzard: it ran with the latest driver 100.....23? yesterday on 64bit |
| 21:52.51 | qrck | some parts are totally messed really |
| 21:53.25 | Wyzard | blinx: What changed on your system between yesterday and today? |
| 21:53.35 | el_isma | sorry, I meant the 96xx packages. I wonder why I've got the 71xx installed... |
| 21:53.45 | blinx | Nov 11 22:43:05 debian kernel: agpgart: Found an AGP 3.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0. |
| 21:53.48 | blinx | Nov 11 22:43:05 debian kernel: agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 8x mode |
| 21:53.52 | blinx | Nov 11 22:43:05 debian kernel: agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 8x mode |
| 21:53.55 | blinx | Wyzard: only the arch |
| 21:53.58 | peterS | don't paste kthx |
| 21:53.59 | el_isma | Wyzard: the latest nvidia-glx (100) didn't work with my card |
| 21:54.05 | blinx | and my partition layout |
| 21:54.18 | Wyzard | blinx: You reinstalled with i386 instead of amd64, you mean |
| 21:54.19 | blinx | el_isma: how can I build a glx for my own? |
| 21:54.25 | blinx | yes |
| 21:54.49 | Wyzard | el_isma: 5xxx cards might need the legacy driver, I dunno, but blinx has a 6800, and 6xxx-series cards don't need the legacy driver |
| 21:54.53 | el_isma | blinx: I don't know, I just installed the legacy 96xx packages |
| 21:55.22 | Wyzard | blinx: Well, I don't currently have an i386 Debian box with an nVidia card, but I have one running Ubuntu gutsy with a 6200 card, and no problems there |
| 21:56.19 | Wyzard | blinx: and my main desktop (amd64, nVidia 7200GS with version 100.14.19-1 of the nVidia packages) has no problems either |
| 21:56.23 | blinx | http://files.builtin.de/Xorg.0.log |
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| 21:56.53 | blinx | and m-a can install and build the legacy thing? |
| 21:56.54 | Wyzard | blinx: Nothing there at the end that looks like an error message when the lockup occurred |
| 21:57.01 | el_isma | blinx: yes |
| 21:57.01 | Wyzard | blinx: You don't need the legacy driver |
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| 21:57.11 | Wyzard | blinx: That's for older cards that are no longer supported by the regular one |
| 21:57.19 | Jyzygzel- | Wyzard how do you send mail with postfix? |
| 21:57.19 | blinx | what can I do to fix my problem? |
| 21:57.24 | Jyzygzel- | what is the mail client |
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| 21:57.48 | blinx | Wyzard: I wonder because it worked with the same driver yesterday only on another arch |
| 21:57.48 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: You can use any mail client you want, just like you did with exim |
| 21:57.56 | Jyzygzel- | like? |
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| 21:58.10 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: mutt, Evolution, Thunderbird, etc. |
| 21:58.19 | Jyzygzel- | no i want something very small |
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| 21:58.20 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: postfix is just an SMTP server, like exim |
| 21:58.21 | Jyzygzel- | console |
| 21:58.27 | blinx | Jyzygzel-: mutt |
| 21:58.32 | Jyzygzel- | ok |
| 21:58.35 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just made a Debian installation on an external disk using chroot but even though I selected da_DK as my locale, all programs are still in english - except most of the Gnome menu which is actually in the correct language. How can this be ? |
| 21:58.38 | blinx | Wyzard: what can I do? |
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| 21:59.40 | Wyzard | blinx: I'd reinstall amd64 Debian and stress-test it to see if the problem occurs there, to see if the problem is really only on i386 or if it's some other difference related to your reinstall |
| 21:59.58 | blinx | Wyzard: hrm |
| 21:59.59 | Wyzard | blinx: and then I'd install i386 etch and see if it happens with that version of the driver, before upgrading to the sid one |
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| 22:00.16 | blinx | Wyzard: it didn't worked with etch either |
| 22:00.17 | Jyzygzel- | where is postfix logs? |
| 22:00.22 | Jyzygzel- | the mail is not sending |
| 22:00.28 | blinx | because of that I upgraded to sid |
| 22:00.51 | blinx | Wyzard: is there no newer nvidia binary? |
| 22:01.12 | blinx | I remember something with 23 than 19? |
| 22:01.15 | drasko | hi all. I am trying: dpkg-cross --arch arm --install libc6-dev_2.6.1-6_arm.deb libc6_2.6.1-6_arm.deb, but I am getting dependency problems for these packages. How to resolve these depandencies? |
| 22:01.24 | blinx | maybe a beta driver |
| 22:01.31 | blinx | but if it works... |
| 22:01.31 | Wyzard | blinx: There might be, but it's not likely to help |
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| 22:01.59 | blinx | Wyzard: can you give me the link, please? the Search doesn't work with links because of js... |
| 22:02.00 | Wyzard | blinx: If it happens with both the etch driver and the sid driver, it's not a quirk of a particular driver version that'd be fixed by a slightly newer version |
| 22:02.32 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: /var/log/mail.* |
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| 22:02.39 | Wyzard | blinx: Link to what? |
| 22:02.46 | blinx | to the newest beta |
| 22:02.52 | blinx | for 32bit :) |
| 22:02.52 | reiser2 | Hi |
| 22:02.53 | Wyzard | blinx: I don't know the link to the newest beta |
| 22:03.05 | reiser2 | i configure my sound card using alsaconf |
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| 22:03.13 | Wyzard | blinx: I wouldn't want to use it anyway |
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| 22:03.19 | blinx | Wyzard: nvidia.com -> drivers -> beta drivers |
| 22:03.25 | reiser2 | but everytime i restart or shutdown my computer i have to run alsaconf again |
| 22:03.26 | blinx | Wyzard: but I would try :) |
| 22:03.31 | Jyzygzel- | jesus christ |
| 22:03.35 | Jyzygzel- | worst log file ever |
| 22:03.51 | fasta | How can I let a MD-335 mouse work under Debian? Specifically the left-mouse button appears to hang when I click it. The other buttons do work. |
| 22:03.55 | Wyzard | blinx: It's highly unlikely to make a difference when you're already running the current released driver, and I avoid installing non-packaged drivers |
| 22:03.57 | reiser2 | this is the sound file content |
| 22:03.58 | reiser2 | alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 |
| 22:03.58 | reiser2 | options snd-intel8x0 index=0 |
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| 22:04.53 | sebas891 | Wyzard: I've remove the dependency on gcc4.2 in the debian/control maybe it will work. crossing fingers. |
| 22:04.58 | Wyzard | reiser2: I don't really know what the point of alsaconf and those snd-card aliases is... all that's needed for ALSA to work is to load the driver module for your sound hardware, and on a current Debian system that should happen automatically at startup due to hardware detection |
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| 22:05.32 | blinx | anyway cu tomorrow |
| 22:05.39 | blinx | thx for your help until here |
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| 22:06.17 | reiser2 | to hear sounds i have to configure with alsa conf, generally i can't hear sound after install Debian, so in run alsaconf |
| 22:06.33 | Wyzard | blinx: Keep in mind that you can use the 2D-only "nv" driver to at least get X working while you troubleshoot the nvidia problem |
| 22:06.46 | Wyzard | reiser2: You don't hear anything because the volume levels are all muted by default |
| 22:06.47 | blinx | sure :) |
| 22:06.51 | Wyzard | reiser2: Run alsamixer and turn up the volume |
| 22:06.54 | reiser2 | hummm |
| 22:06.56 | reiser2 | no |
| 22:07.00 | reiser2 | i check all |
| 22:07.11 | reiser2 | and XMMS get an error |
| 22:07.24 | Wyzard | reisener: If you run alsamixer, what do you see on the "Card:" line at the top? |
| 22:08.57 | reiser2 | Card: NVidia CK804 ││ Chip: Realtek ALC850 rev 0 ││ View: [Playback] Capture All ││ Item: Master |
| 22:09.07 | drasko | hi all. I am trying: dpkg-cross --arch arm --install libc6-dev_2.6.1-6_arm.deb libc6_2.6.1-6_arm.deb, but I am getting dependency problems for these packages. How to resolve these depandencies? |
| 22:10.12 | Wyzard | reiser2: The fact that it can see the volume controls for your soundcard means the driver module is already loaded |
| 22:10.26 | Wyzard | reiser2: What's the error that you get with XMMS? |
| 22:10.58 | reiser2 | damm |
| 22:11.07 | reiser2 | to see it i have to restart |
| 22:11.23 | Wyzard | reiser2: Restart what, your whole computer? |
| 22:11.39 | Wyzard | reiser2: That shouldn't be necessary to get an error message from xmms... just run xmms and try to play some audio with it |
| 22:11.41 | reiser2 | yeah |
| 22:11.49 | reiser2 | once i run alsaconf |
| 22:11.56 | reiser2 | there error disappear |
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| 22:12.26 | reiser2 | and i shutdown my computer all nights , you know, energy |
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| 22:12.59 | Wyzard | reiser2: Reboot and run alsamixer again, and see if it still sees your soundcard (NVidia CK804, Realtek 8LC850) |
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| 22:13.23 | tingle | hi, where can i find the log of my boot up? i got the feeling something went wrong whit my system clock. |
| 22:13.26 | Wyzard | reiser2: if it doesn't, the problem is that the driver isn't being loaded automatically, but alsaconf isn't necessarily the best way to fix that |
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| 22:14.45 | lobak | hello |
| 22:14.59 | reiser2 | hummm |
| 22:15.00 | reiser2 | ok |
| 22:15.11 | reiser2 | how can i load the driver automatically? |
| 22:16.09 | Wyzard | reiser2: In most cases you shouldn't need to do anything, which is why I want you to check whether that's the problem in the first place, before trying to troubleshoot it |
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| 22:16.30 | tingle | anyone? |
| 22:16.45 | abrotman | !bootlog |
| 22:16.45 | dpkg | i guess bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
| 22:16.46 | reiser2 | hummm |
| 22:16.54 | reiser2 | let me test in my notebook |
| 22:16.57 | reiser2 | wait please |
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| 22:17.47 | tingle | abrotman: thanks |
| 22:17.55 | reiser2 | can you wait ? |
| 22:18.03 | Wyzard | reiser2: sure |
| 22:18.14 | Wyzard | reiser2: Actually, before you reboot, run "lsmod" and paste the output somewhere |
| 22:18.29 | reiser2 | no, i am using my laptop |
| 22:18.41 | reiser2 | this computer no will be restart |
| 22:18.45 | Wyzard | oh, ok |
| 22:18.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know of a text-to-speech program that outputs .mp3/.ogg files for each job, rather than for each sentence (as festival does)? |
| 22:18.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Doesn't even have to output ogg/mp3, just one file per job, I can convert afterwards... |
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| 22:19.32 | Wyzard | Dark_Apostrophe: I haven't used festival much, but I'm sure there's a way to feed it more than a single sentence per output file |
| 22:19.34 | bjoernb | hej |
| 22:19.47 | bjoernb | where do i get debug symbols for inkscape? |
| 22:20.03 | Wyzard | bjoernb: If they're packaged, they'd be in a package called "inkscape-dbg" |
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| 22:20.21 | Wyzard | bjoernb: but I don't think such a package exists |
| 22:20.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Wyzard: If there is, I haven't figured it out |
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| 22:21.16 | bjoernb | Wyzard: thanks. i have to build my own... |
| 22:21.17 | reiser2 | ok, in my laptop the configuraton of sound is no lost |
| 22:21.17 | bjoernb | bye |
| 22:21.18 | Wyzard | Dark_Apostrophe: You could also just have it output .wav or whatever and concatenate the files before converting to MP3 |
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| 22:21.54 | Wyzard | reiser2: If you've rebooted the laptop, run xmms to see what the error message is, and run alsamixer to check whether it recognizes your volume controls |
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| 22:22.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Wyzard: Yes, but it's too much hassle |
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| 22:23.38 | dm | Hello Any idea why mounting an NFS share from another Debian box takes (reproducable) 105 seconds? |
| 22:24.23 | Wyzard | dm: Not offhand, but I'd use wireshark to look at the network traffic and see what response packets are taking so long |
| 22:25.03 | tingle | Setting the system clock.. select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out | does anyone know how i can fix this error? |
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| 22:25.51 | Wyzard | tingle: Google turns up http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-devel@lists.debian.org/msg236472.html |
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| 22:27.11 | reiser2 | ok |
| 22:27.16 | Wyzard | hmm... I was going to add that I don't even have the rtc module loaded, but it seems that on amd64 there's actually no such module |
| 22:27.35 | reiser2 | when i try to run XMMS i get this: Can't open audio |
| 22:28.01 | reiser2 | check : Your card is configured properly |
| 22:28.12 | reiser2 | Have the plug-in |
| 22:28.19 | Wyzard | reiser2: And how about alsamixer? |
| 22:28.22 | reiser2 | There is another programs blocking your card |
| 22:28.32 | mbroeker | reisener, are you using a sound-manager which blocks it? |
| 22:28.50 | reiser2 | ok, Card: Intel 80821CA-ICH3 |
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| 22:29.06 | Wyzard | reiser2: That's a different soundcard than before... |
| 22:29.07 | reiser2 | Chip: Analog Device AD1881A |
| 22:29.10 | lobak | hello..what is the usual mirror to put into the source.list? |
| 22:29.12 | reiser2 | yes |
| 22:29.16 | Wyzard | reiser2: This is alsamixer on your laptop? |
| 22:29.17 | reiser2 | is another machine |
| 22:29.33 | Wyzard | reiser2: ...the point was to run alsamixer on the machine that's having the problem, to see whether it works |
| 22:29.34 | reiser2 | in both computer is the same problem |
| 22:30.00 | Wyzard | reiser2: Run it on the laptop, which you've just rebooted and haven't run alsaconf on yet |
| 22:30.03 | tingle | Wyzard: i cant find the HWCLOCK part in /etc/init.d/halt :/ |
| 22:30.09 | reiser2 | i can hear system sound (wav) but problems to hear xmms or youtube |
| 22:30.28 | reiser2 | i did |
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| 22:31.10 | Wyzard | reiser2: So you *can* hear some sounds even before you've run alsaconf? |
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| 22:31.55 | Kartoffelsalat | i search libCgGL.so, in which pakage is this lib? |
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| 22:32.14 | dimir | nice :-D |
| 22:32.17 | Wyzard | Kartoffelsalat: I believe that's installed by the nvidia-cg-toolkit package |
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| 22:32.40 | Kartoffelsalat | Wyzard: hm... wtf. i need nvida stuff for running a linux game? |
| 22:32.55 | Wyzard | Kartoffelsalat: Yes, Cg is an nVidia-specific shader language |
| 22:32.59 | Kartoffelsalat | i own a sh*ce ati/amd card |
| 22:33.20 | Wyzard | Kartoffelsalat: If your game uses Cg, it depends on nVidia |
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| 22:33.43 | Kartoffelsalat | Wyzard: thanks for the information... :( |
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| 22:33.56 | Wyzard | Kartoffelsalat: The game might have the option of using either Cg or another shader language (like GLSL) though |
| 22:34.10 | Wyzard | Kartoffelsalat: in which case it could potentially run on an ATI card by using the other shader language |
| 22:34.29 | Kartoffelsalat | Wyzard: the game is ecksdee, maybe you know it |
| 22:34.30 | Kartoffelsalat | ? |
| 22:34.38 | Wyzard | Kartoffelsalat: but if it's linked to libCgGL.so, that library needs to be installed, even though the program wouldn't be using its functions in your case |
| 22:34.39 | tingle | Wyzard: hm the website was incorrect i should have configged /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh instead of /etc/init.d/halt but thanks for pointing me at the direction :) |
| 22:34.41 | Wyzard | nope, never heard of it |
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| 22:35.01 | reiser2 | i can hear sound without run alsaconf (system wav sounds) |
| 22:35.17 | reiser2 | but when i try to run XMMS i get the error |
| 22:35.23 | Wyzard | reiser2: then your sound driver is loaded and working |
| 22:35.30 | reiser2 | then, if i run alsaconf, all will be ok |
| 22:35.35 | reiser2 | yeah |
| 22:35.50 | reiser2 | could be problems with plugins |
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| 22:35.59 | Wyzard | reiser2: Your problem is probably that something is running in the background that's using the soundcard even when it isn't actually playing any sounds |
| 22:36.14 | Wyzard | reiser2: such as ESD (if you use GNOME) or aRTS (if you use KDE) |
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| 22:36.46 | Wyzard | reiser2: most sound drivers only support one thing playing sound at a time, so having a program in the background that's holding the soundcard open means nothing else can play sound |
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| 22:37.16 | reiser2 | but |
| 22:37.25 | Wyzard | reiser2: IIRC, alsaconf checks what processes are using the soundcard and kills them before it reloads the driver |
| 22:37.38 | reiser2 | by default instalation Debian load some problem that use sound? |
| 22:38.13 | Wyzard | Yes, ESD and aRTS are both "sound servers" which run in the background (in GNOME and KDE respectively) and use the soundcard |
| 22:38.14 | reiser2 | hummm |
| 22:38.33 | Wyzard | They were actually meant to work around that limitation, by taking input from multiple programs and mixing it in software before sending it to the soundcard to be played |
| 22:38.52 | Wyzard | but that doesn't help with programs that expect to play sound directly, rather than through the sound server program |
| 22:39.00 | reiser2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.11 | reiser2 | i will pastebin the ps output |
| 22:39.31 | Wyzard | Also, ALSA has its own mixing plugin now, called dmix, that provides the illusion of multiple programs being able to directly play sound |
| 22:39.53 | Wyzard | but it only works with programs that use the ALSA API, not the OSS emulation |
| 22:40.02 | Wyzard | so make sure your xmms is configured to use ALSA rather than OSS |
| 22:40.07 | Shadur | But it does work pretty well. |
| 22:40.14 | reiser2 | http://www.pastebin.ca/770131 |
| 22:40.14 | obnauticus | How do I run elf files on debian? |
| 22:40.17 | obnauticus | Like what packages do I need? |
| 22:40.18 | reiser2 | check please |
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| 22:40.25 | Wyzard | obnauticus: chmod +x them and run them |
| 22:40.29 | obnauticus | k |
| 22:40.42 | Wyzard | obnauticus: ELF is the native executable format used by Linux |
| 22:40.52 | Wyzard | obnauticus: Asking how to run one is like asking how to run an .EXE file in Windows :-) |
| 22:40.55 | obnauticus | lol. |
| 22:41.01 | obnauticus | it was a joke dude |
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| 22:41.11 | ma3x | great |
| 22:41.17 | ma3x | you can say i disfigured my laptop now |
| 22:41.22 | Wyzard | reisener: Line 9 is ESD |
| 22:41.32 | ma3x | I mean this fujitsu-siemens shit was not made to be opened by users |
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| 22:41.39 | ma3x | such a complicate design |
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| 22:41.50 | ma3x | that it's impossible to open it without breaking a few little plastic things |
| 22:41.51 | Wyzard | ma3x: Buy a ThinkPad next time :-) |
| 22:42.05 | ma3x | Wyzard, thinkpads are too small |
| 22:42.09 | jelly-home | ma3x: #hardware is that way --> |
| 22:42.13 | ma3x | if i wanna watch a movie or smth, cant |
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| 22:42.43 | ma3x | jelly-home, come on professor to change a few words about hardware ain't a crime |
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| 22:43.02 | Wyzard | ma3x: What do you consider to be a not-small size for a laptop? |
| 22:43.11 | Wyzard | reiser2: oops, ^^^ |
| 22:43.13 | ma3x | Wyzard, 16 inch is fine |
| 22:43.17 | omry | I accidentally removed my crontab (did crontab -r instead of -e), which file should I restore to get it back? |
| 22:43.19 | ma3x | there are thinkpads like that? |
| 22:43.20 | Wyzard | reiser2: line 9 in your output is ESD |
| 22:43.23 | abrotman | thinkpads are small ? |
| 22:43.25 | Wyzard | ma3x: My Z60m is 15.4" |
| 22:43.33 | reiser2 | what is ESD ? |
| 22:43.33 | Wyzard | ma3x: widescreen too |
| 22:43.39 | ma3x | really? i saw once 9 inch and i thought thats the biggest |
| 22:43.45 | ma3x | Wyzard, what did it cost you? |
| 22:43.56 | abrotman | ma3x: lenovo.com |
| 22:43.57 | Wyzard | reiser2: it's one of the two sound servers I mentioned, which holds the soundcard open and does mixing in software |
| 22:44.06 | Wyzard | ma3x: It was about $1300 USD two years ago |
| 22:44.09 | ma3x | and i gotta say i broke my escape key |
| 22:44.11 | venti | hi |
| 22:44.11 | jelly-home | a 16" screen is hardly a "laptop" |
| 22:44.20 | ma3x | lol |
| 22:44.21 | ma3x | what is it then |
| 22:44.24 | ma3x | a desktop? |
| 22:44.32 | reiser2 | humm, then, what is the solution ? |
| 22:44.35 | jelly-home | fuckin huge |
| 22:44.51 | Wyzard | ma3x: (It would've been around $1100 but I upgraded to the DVD burner and 1GB RAM instead of 512, which weren't standard at the time) |
| 22:44.57 | jelly-home | is what it is. A notebook if you must. |
| 22:45.00 | abrotman | jelly-home: 15.4" is pretty standard now |
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| 22:45.17 | Wyzard | reiser2: Are you using GNOME? |
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| 22:45.41 | jelly-home | abrotman: I know, I have one. |
| 22:45.43 | reiser2 | yes |
| 22:45.52 | Wyzard | reiser2: Open the "Sound Preferences" window,, and somewhere in there, there's a checkbox that says "Enable software sound mixing (ESD)" |
| 22:45.52 | abrotman | jelly-home: well .. it's a laptop :) |
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| 22:45.55 | Wyzard | reiser2: Turn that off |
| 22:46.04 | ma3x | i thought thinkpads are only laptops (not desk..) |
| 22:47.01 | drasko | hi all. I am trying: dpkg-cross --arch arm --install libc6-dev_2.6.1-6_arm.deb libc6_2.6.1-6_arm.deb, but I am getting dependency problems for these packages. How to resolve these depandencies? |
| 22:47.01 | reiser2 | how? |
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| 22:47.02 | jelly-home | abrotman: it's a notebook in my book ;-) |
| 22:47.02 | Wyzard | reiser2: It's a checkbox... click on it |
| 22:47.02 | abrotman | jelly-home: picky picky :) |
| 22:47.03 | ma3x | Wyzard, whats the advantage of the thinkpad? (vs lap) ? |
| 22:47.07 | abrotman | a thinkpad is a laptop |
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| 22:47.14 | abrotman | ma3x: lenovo.com .. read the website |
| 22:47.23 | ma3x | i am reading it |
| 22:47.31 | ma3x | thye seem all the same to me |
| 22:47.33 | ma3x | like laptops |
| 22:47.40 | reiser2 | checkbox? where? |
| 22:47.42 | Wyzard | ma3x: It is a laptop |
| 22:47.54 | abrotman | jelly-home: see .. you confused ma3x |
| 22:48.06 | Wyzard | ma3x: jelly-home just thinks it's too big to fit nicely on one's lap |
| 22:48.08 | jelly-home | oh noes |
| 22:48.14 | Wyzard | ma3x: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:Z60m |
| 22:48.15 | ma3x | well what then? why not buy hp or sony but thinkpad? |
| 22:48.17 | abrotman | jelly-home: do you know how hard that is? |
| 22:48.22 | Kobaz | ma3x: thinkpads are built like a tank, they are one of the more expensive brands, other than that. they are all the same |
| 22:48.26 | jelly-home | abrotman: trivial? |
| 22:48.27 | simonrvn | not very ;p |
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| 22:48.33 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:48.35 | Wyzard | ma3x: That model has been discontinued in favor of http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:Z61m though |
| 22:48.55 | jelly-home | Wyzard: Z series are not made at all any more |
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| 22:49.27 | jelly-home | Wyzard: There's a widescreen R61 or a T6[01] |
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| 22:49.30 | Wyzard | ma3x: Good Linux compatibility (Intel wireless and 3D chips), solid construction (won't break easily), and service manuals available for free as downloadable PDF files |
| 22:49.34 | obnauticus | Hey guys, how would I install a completally seperate envrionment in Debian, but is running a different OS, but under debian, like a FreeBSD Jail but running a different OS. |
| 22:49.36 | venti | Hi, i need some programs with additional patches. Is there an easier way than installing the program from source and applying the patches manually (maybe with source packages)? |
| 22:49.36 | ma3x | whats widescreen good for? |
| 22:49.42 | ma3x | watching widescreen movies? |
| 22:49.53 | tarzeau | yes |
| 22:49.54 | obnauticus | Porn. |
| 22:49.55 | abrotman | ma3x: do you have a debian question? |
| 22:50.01 | simonrvn | uh, that's how you do it |
| 22:50.10 | Wyzard | ma3x: and the all-black color scheme of a ThinkPad looks nicer than most other laptops IMO :-) |
| 22:50.25 | abrotman | obnauticus: vm host/guest stuff ? |
| 22:50.26 | Kobaz | Wyzard: dell has good linux compatability and downloadable service manuals |
| 22:50.37 | ma3x | i always liked metalic silver more than black |
| 22:50.40 | venti | obnauticus: there are lot's of virtualization programs |
| 22:50.41 | abrotman | Kobaz: no they don't |
| 22:50.45 | Kobaz | just don't get a dell wireless card |
| 22:50.46 | ma3x | ok we're getting ot here |
| 22:50.48 | Kobaz | abrotman: they do |
| 22:50.48 | obnauticus | abrotman, like a vserver running a different OS. |
| 22:50.52 | ma3x | let's interrupt it :p |
| 22:50.59 | abrotman | Kobaz: dell should be shot ... |
| 22:51.04 | Kobaz | abrotman: everything on my dell inspiron 6000 works perfectly in linux |
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| 22:51.12 | abrotman | obnauticus: you could use xen .. or something like qemu |
| 22:51.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: but they have Ubuntu preinstalled |
| 22:51.15 | venti | obnauticus: virtualbox, vmware and so on |
| 22:51.19 | CompWizrd | parts are cheap for thinkpads on ebay too |
| 22:51.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: and? |
| 22:51.22 | obnauticus | abrotman what do those do? |
| 22:51.28 | CompWizrd | since ibm/lenovo uses the same parts for many laptops for many years |
| 22:51.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: is like debian. almost |
| 22:51.29 | abrotman | Kobaz: so you don't use any firmware or blobs ? |
| 22:51.32 | ma3x | Wyzard, anyway if it says Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 2.0 Ghz CPU <- that's 2 x 2.0 Ghz cpus right? |
| 22:51.33 | CompWizrd | so people upgrade, and part out their old unit |
| 22:51.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. it's not |
| 22:51.34 | jelly-home | obnauticus: the point with vservers is that they're running the same OS. Use Xen, vmware, virtualbox, qemu, kvm... |
| 22:51.38 | streuner_ | CompWizrd: not for old parts |
| 22:51.54 | Kobaz | abrotman: only need firmware for the wireless card, which is provided by ipw2200 |
| 22:51.58 | CompWizrd | streuner: i have a t23, parts are bloody _cheap_ |
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| 22:52.02 | CompWizrd | i'm talking more like accessories though |
| 22:52.03 | jelly-home | obnauticus: actually, not the same OS. But same kernel. |
| 22:52.09 | obnauticus | ya... |
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| 22:52.20 | streuner_ | CompWizrd: i need basically an old HD (IBM Thinkpad), its pretty expensive |
| 22:52.21 | ma3x | Wyzard, anyway you say good compatibility - but ati are not so compatible with linux ,right? |
| 22:52.22 | Wyzard | streuner_: I bought a replacement display cable for a ThinkPad T20 (700MHz Pentium III) last year for $30 USD |
| 22:52.23 | obnauticus | does qemu require a GUI |
| 22:52.27 | abrotman | obnauticus: depending on what you want to use it for .. qemu is easy enough .. it's not super fast .. but it does work |
| 22:52.27 | CompWizrd | put anything you want in then :) |
| 22:52.30 | ma3x | I mean they are but not better than nvidia |
| 22:52.30 | abrotman | obnauticus: no it does not |
| 22:52.33 | Wyzard | ma3x: Right, but I got the one with the Intel GPU |
| 22:52.35 | obnauticus | is it good? |
| 22:52.39 | CompWizrd | i upgrade my stock 30 gig 4200rpm drive with a 60 gig 7200rpm drive |
| 22:52.41 | abrotman | obnauticus: qemu? |
| 22:52.52 | Wyzard | ma3x: which isn't high-performance, but it's fine for screensavers and it has a good free driver |
| 22:52.54 | obnauticus | ya |
| 22:53.01 | abrotman | obnauticus: like i said .. depends what you're doing with it |
| 22:53.03 | streuner_ | Wyzard: one HD for an old Thinkpad about 100 bucks, about 5 Gigs... |
| 22:53.10 | ma3x | Wyzard, are the z series best atm? |
| 22:53.17 | obnauticus | Well, abrotman I'm trying to install Cisco CallManager on an existing box that is on debian that runs Asterisk. |
| 22:53.20 | obnauticus | and I lack an other box to install it on. |
| 22:53.25 | obnauticus | So virtualizing would be good? |
| 22:53.30 | Kobaz | streuner_: never get harddrives/ram from the original laptop manufacturer |
| 22:53.35 | abrotman | i don't know what callmanager is |
| 22:53.41 | Wyzard | ma3x: Someone mentioned earlier that the whole Z series has been discontinued |
| 22:53.45 | streuner_ | Kobaz: they dont care much |
| 22:53.47 | obnauticus | It's like Cisco's PBX system./ |
| 22:53.51 | Wyzard | ma3x: I haven't paid attention to newer models since I bought my Z60m two years ago |
| 22:54.03 | CompWizrd | i've heard the T43 has some weirdness with using non-IBM drives though. |
| 22:54.09 | CompWizrd | due to its pata/sata bridge internally |
| 22:54.13 | Kobaz | wiggity |
| 22:54.13 | ma3x | Wyzard, z61 are still on |
| 22:54.19 | Wyzard | ma3x: though I saw a Z61m running Vista on display in a store just a few months ago, so I'm not sure whether that's true |
| 22:54.25 | abrotman | Wyzard: it has .. but now they have the Reserve model .. for only 5k |
| 22:54.37 | abrotman | Wyzard: at leaston the website |
| 22:54.46 | ma3x | Wyzard, what about dell laptops offering linux? that a good deal? |
| 22:54.56 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I've been eyeing replacements for my Z60m, but have decided on more memory instead |
| 22:54.58 | abrotman | they offer ubuntu |
| 22:55.02 | Wyzard | ma3x: I haven't looked at those at all, so I have no idea whether they're a good deal |
| 22:55.21 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I don't plan to replace mine for another year or two |
| 22:55.38 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I don't use it heavily though |
| 22:55.48 | tarzeau | can someone extract the fireworks from http://www.keygenmusic.net/?page=pack/packlist&lang=en ? |
| 22:56.07 | tarzeau | i think if www.debian.org had those javascript fireworks, all people would change to debian |
| 22:56.11 | ma3x | jelly-home, what do you need more memory for? |
| 22:56.25 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Music from keygens? |
| 22:56.33 | Wyzard | tarzeau: What do they do, generate serials and interpret them as notes? |
| 22:56.34 | jelly-home | ma3x: gtk and qt apps. |
| 22:56.41 | tarzeau | Wyzard: chipsongs, great when played with opencubicplayer |
| 22:56.45 | ma3x | abrotman, are lenovo french vendors? |
| 22:56.52 | Wyzard | ma3x: no, Chinese |
| 22:56.53 | abrotman | ma3x: check the freaking website |
| 22:56.56 | tarzeau | Wyzard: nah, people who make serials, use chipsongs from demoscene |
| 22:57.01 | abrotman | Wyzard: i think he wants to know if they sell in france |
| 22:57.04 | Wyzard | tarzeau: ah, ok |
| 22:57.06 | ma3x | abrotman, it sounds french |
| 22:57.16 | tarzeau | Wyzard: but the webpage only has the music (no serials) |
| 22:57.17 | abrotman | no . it's a chinese company |
| 22:57.27 | Wyzard | I'm sure they sell their products in France, but Lenovo is a multinational company based in China |
| 22:57.29 | libervisco | Could anyone give me an approximate guess on how many people use testing on their desktop instead of stable? |
| 22:57.32 | libervisco | And is it most? |
| 22:57.42 | simonrvn | !popcon |
| 22:57.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:57.43 | abrotman | libervisco: popcon.debian.org |
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| 22:58.00 | libervisco | oh thanks abrotman :) |
| 22:58.16 | ma3x | Wyzard, it seems to me really like a tank configuration |
| 22:58.27 | zobf | Hey, why am I still here? |
| 22:58.38 | zobf | I haven't used Ubuntu for over a year. |
| 22:58.44 | abrotman | zobf: you're in #debian |
| 22:58.47 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 22:58.49 | zobf | Oh. |
| 22:59.00 | zobf | That makes more sense. |
| 22:59.20 | maxamillion | lol |
| 22:59.43 | zo | Hahah |
| 22:59.47 | Wyzard | ma3x: The "tank" reputation comes from being built very sturdily |
| 22:59.47 | zo | Channel dementia |
| 23:00.39 | Wyzard | ma3x: For example, the lid of my Z60m has some sort of very strong protective layer in it -- even if I press against it quite hard, the LCD on the other side doesn't "ripple" at all |
| 23:00.50 | libervisco | hm I don't understand this stuff.. |
| 23:01.01 | Wyzard | ma3x: so dropping something on top of the laptop while it's closed would be unlikely to damage the screen |
| 23:01.02 | abrotman | the only thing i've seen as sturdy are compaq laptops circa 99 or 2000 |
| 23:01.10 | ma3x | Wyzard, you mean that blurring effect? |
| 23:01.28 | ma3x | Wyzard, try harder! |
| 23:01.33 | Wyzard | ma3x: I mean the way LCD screens ripple visibly when you flex them |
| 23:01.42 | libervisco | it says nothing about etch, lenny or stable and testing.. |
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| 23:01.48 | ma3x | Wyzard, mine doesnt either, but if you push harder it does a little bit |
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| 23:02.24 | abrotman | libervisco: it depends on your needs .. if you really truly need a stable system .. use etch .. |
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| 23:02.49 | ma3x | Wyzard, i haven't seen one thinkpad with amd cpu |
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| 23:02.54 | libervisco | abrotman, I need a desktop system, which immediately disqualifies etch :) |
| 23:03.02 | libervisco | it's too old |
| 23:03.05 | abrotman | libervisco: my desktop at work has etch |
| 23:03.07 | libervisco | so it's either testing or no debian |
| 23:03.47 | ma3x | libervisco, sid? |
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| 23:03.52 | abrotman | ma3x: don't do that |
| 23:03.55 | abrotman | libervisco: then try lenny |
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| 23:03.56 | artillerodeluxe | hi every one, where i can get a @ domain to a server email that i am trying to set up in my computer |
| 23:03.58 | ma3x | abrotman, what? |
| 23:04.08 | abrotman | suggest that |
| 23:04.19 | ma3x | why not? isn't unstable called sid anymore? |
| 23:04.21 | libervisco | I've launched from Ubuntu last week, to Fedora 8, then Frugalware, then again Fedora 8, then tried a few in qemu and now Zenwalk and considering finally Debian Testing instead of Fedora 8 |
| 23:04.24 | ma3x | sid/lenny |
| 23:04.29 | abrotman | ma3x: stop already |
| 23:04.34 | Wyzard | artillerodeluxe: if you want to buy your won domain, there are lots of DNS registrars on the web where you can do that |
| 23:04.45 | ma3x | heh, you're mad abrotman |
| 23:04.48 | Wyzard | artillerodeluxe: godaddy.com is one that I know of offhand which is fairly popular, but there are many others |
| 23:04.56 | abrotman | libervisco: give it a whirl .. the only thing i know is currently broken badly in lenny is the binary nvidia driver |
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| 23:04.58 | DawnLight | libervisco: debian is a good choice |
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| 23:05.07 | gyges | ,\ |
| 23:05.16 | abrotman | it's a pirate! |
| 23:05.16 | libervisco | abrotman, I use a free radeon driver anyway :) |
| 23:05.20 | abrotman | libervisco: ah ok |
| 23:05.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: and ardour? oh wait that's not in lenny yet |
| 23:05.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't use ardour |
| 23:05.32 | Sivik | how do i edit my umask for my shell, i'm trying to specify what permissions a file has when its uploaded form an ftp account to a symlink folder |
| 23:05.40 | artillerodeluxe | Wyzard, thanks, but is for some homework in my college, so , there any free way to do that? |
| 23:05.42 | jelly-home | ma3x: you've been around for a while, you should really know better than to suggest sid to any random user |
| 23:05.43 | mnmlito_ | artillerodeluxe: go for e-noise |
| 23:05.50 | mnmlito_ | they are cheap n good |
| 23:05.58 | Wyzard | artillerodeluxe: No, domains aren't free |
| 23:05.59 | tarzeau | Sivik: you just say umask then what you want? |
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| 23:06.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: dyndns ? |
| 23:06.09 | libervisco | I'm not such a newbie, so no worries about someone suggesting sid, I know what it is ;) |
| 23:06.23 | libervisco | and I know I'm vary of it, testing could be the right balance |
| 23:06.25 | jelly-home | libervisco: someone else might not :-) |
| 23:06.30 | Sivik | tarzeau, thats what the vsftpd people said i needed to edit to fix that problem, something about the umask for the my shell and i was saying what i was trying to do |
| 23:06.34 | abrotman | libervisco: it's not you per se .. it's something ma3x should know not to do |
| 23:06.40 | libervisco | oh well |
| 23:06.52 | tarzeau | Sivik: what is the your $SHELL ? |
| 23:06.52 | Wyzard | artillerodeluxe: hmm, abrotman is right, you could get a dyndns domain and run a mailserver on your computer at home |
| 23:07.01 | abrotman | there's a first! :) |
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| 23:07.16 | Sivik | tarzeau: its blank |
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| 23:07.38 | tarzeau | Sivik: did you say echo $SHELL ? |
| 23:08.02 | Sivik | bin/bash |
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| 23:08.12 | tarzeau | Sivik: so it's not blank |
| 23:08.27 | artillerodeluxe | Wyzard, thanks again. actually i have a dyndns already. but can i use a email adrres there? like user@dynddns.com or something |
| 23:08.35 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:08.40 | abrotman | if your ISP allows it |
| 23:08.41 | tarzeau | Sivik: try man bash, then / umask n |
| 23:08.50 | Sivik | ok |
| 23:08.53 | Wyzard | artillerodeluxe: sure, just set up a mailserver (such as exim or postfix) on the machine that the dyndns name points to |
| 23:09.09 | tarzeau | Sivik: also look for profile, to figure where to write the right umask command |
| 23:09.14 | Wyzard | artillerodeluxe: and as abrotman points out, make sure the ISP isn't blocking incoming port 25 |
| 23:09.24 | tarzeau | Sivik: i'm not sure you can set the file permissions on a remote ftp server.. |
| 23:09.45 | cmanns | Video card is dead any time now, I'll be online sometime in the future :(. Bye |
| 23:09.58 | Sivik | its not a remote server, i'm talking on the server that is running the ftp server |
| 23:11.51 | Sivik | tarzeau: /home/user/www -> /var/www and when i upload files, it sets the permission to 600 and i need it be like 755 |
| 23:12.14 | artillerodeluxe | i am trying to set up postfix right now, but is asking me for my domian, the example says server1.example.com, how i have to put my domain, my domain in dyndns is art.homelinux.org |
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| 23:12.15 | tarzeau | Sivik: 755 usually is for binaries and directories |
| 23:12.26 | tarzeau | Sivik: you sure don't mean 644? |
| 23:12.29 | Sivik | tarzeau, ok, yeah, that works |
| 23:12.30 | abrotman | artillerodeluxe: then that's what you enter |
| 23:12.46 | Sivik | tarzeau, but how do i get it to set that automately rather than me having to edit it |
| 23:13.05 | tarzeau | Sivik: what says umask ? |
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| 23:13.37 | plooper | !vista |
| 23:13.37 | dpkg | i heard vista is an operating system from microsoft. it's not on topic. |
| 23:13.43 | Sivik | vista is crap |
| 23:13.50 | Sivik | tarzeau, a bunch of stuff i don't understand |
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| 23:14.18 | plooper | :) I know I was hoping dpkg would provide me with some much needed humor to make me feel better. |
| 23:14.33 | tarzeau | Sivik: what? |
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| 23:14.51 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 23:14.51 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd72 is <try_catch_this> for the record I dont care what you use, to me I get things done faster with guis. |
| 23:14.57 | Sivik | tarzeau, i don't understand how that works or how its sets what i'm trying to do |
| 23:15.00 | opteron | debian |
| 23:15.09 | tarzeau | Sivik: what does umask fucking say? |
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| 23:15.17 | opteron | fuck |
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| 23:15.25 | Sivik | it says a bunch of mess that i don't understand or see how it does what i want it to do |
| 23:15.36 | tarzeau | Sivik: can you just fucking type it into this fucking window? |
| 23:15.38 | plooper | opteron: your namesake is having a hard time |
| 23:15.50 | Sivik | tarzeau: http://pastebin.com/m5fcef112 |
| 23:15.53 | w32 | how do u remap a key in debian? |
| 23:15.58 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 23:15.58 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
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| 23:16.04 | tarzeau | Sivik: did you type umask in a terminal? |
| 23:16.19 | Sivik | 0022 |
| 23:16.35 | Sivik | tarzeau, 0022 |
| 23:16.41 | artillerodeluxe | abrotman, the examples says server1.domain. i have to put server1.homelinux.org or just art.homelinux.org? |
| 23:16.49 | abrotman | art.homelinux.org |
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| 23:16.59 | abrotman | i'd imagine your ISP blocks it though |
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| 23:17.29 | Wyzard | artillerodeluxe: There's nothing special about the name "server1"... it's just an example |
| 23:17.29 | artillerodeluxe | abrotman, i think that too, i put another port for that in the postfix config |
| 23:17.37 | abrotman | that won't work |
| 23:17.37 | DawnLight | why doesn't "qemu" start qemu? what is it missing, a bios? doesn't it have a default one? |
| 23:17.41 | Wyzard | artillerodeluxe: You need to use port 25 |
| 23:17.58 | Wyzard | artillerodeluxe: because anyone trying to send mail to you will be trying to connect on port 25 |
| 23:18.04 | abrotman | DawnLight: qemu --help |
| 23:18.04 | tarzeau | Sivik: what does lsb_release -c say? |
| 23:18.21 | Sivik | bash: command not found |
| 23:18.29 | theacolyte | can anyone take a look at this and tell me why this is happening? http://pastebin.com/m1a3aed83 |
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| 23:18.38 | tarzeau | Sivik: apt-get install lsb-release |
| 23:18.48 | theacolyte | uname -a shows Linux xxxx.org 2.6.20.1 #12 SMP Fri May 18 19:03:50 EDT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:19.04 | artillerodeluxe | so, theres nothing i can do about it |
| 23:19.06 | Wyzard | theacolyte: ls -l /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:19.10 | theacolyte | Can't seem to make that go away -- it's almost like it's a custom kernel (this is a dedicated server) |
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| 23:19.13 | Sivik | tarzeau, etch |
| 23:19.15 | tarzeau | theacolyte: what says ls -la /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 23:19.36 | theacolyte | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3843 2007-11-09 13:32 /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:19.40 | dieg | hi, I've a newbie question: how can I execute a command on session login? thanks |
| 23:19.45 | Wyzard | theacolyte: update-grub is trying to edit your menu.lst to add a stanza for that kernel, but it's unable to open the file for writing |
| 23:19.50 | tarzeau | theacolyte: is your boot or / mounted read-only? |
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| 23:19.54 | theacolyte | I'm already running 2.6.20 though, and it wants to do .18 |
| 23:20.18 | Laser | hi everybody |
| 23:20.20 | Laser | in the boot directory there is no kernel config file |
| 23:20.23 | jelly-home | theacolyte: is your machine a real physical one, or a virtual server? |
| 23:20.27 | Laser | for 2.6.21.3 |
| 23:20.27 | theacolyte | it's a real server |
| 23:20.29 | Wyzard | theacolyte: That's because you have linux-image-2.6-686 installed, which is a metapackage that depends on the latest supported packaged kernel |
| 23:20.36 | theacolyte | ahhhhh |
| 23:20.47 | Sivik | tarzeau, the output is etch |
| 23:20.48 | Wyzard | theacolyte: and you have the etch version of linux-image-2.6-686 installed, so it's trying to install the latest etch kernel |
| 23:20.55 | Laser | it is the default kernel. shoult the filename be "config"? |
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| 23:21.02 | theacolyte | Wyzard: makes sense, how do I fix it though? |
| 23:21.02 | Wyzard | theacolyte: (2.6.18-4-686 was replaced with 2.6.18-5-686, due to a security fix) |
| 23:21.07 | davi | ,doxygen |
| 23:21.09 | theacolyte | got it |
| 23:21.21 | artillerodeluxe | Wyzard, abrotman. anyway i really appreciate it all of your help. thanks very much :) |
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| 23:21.47 | Wyzard | theacolyte: There's no harm in having the 2.6.18 kernel installed, and it's good to have as a fallback, so getting it installed properly would be preferable to removing it |
| 23:22.02 | Wyzard | theacolyte: You just need to figure out why update-grub is unable to edit your menu.lst file |
| 23:22.05 | theacolyte | And I'm fine with that (although I have no physical access to the box) |
| 23:22.10 | Laser | also when i copy config into config-2.6.21.3 and use yaird to create initrd image: |
| 23:22.21 | Laser | # yaird --output initrd-2.6.21.3 2.6.21.3 |
| 23:22.22 | Laser | yaird error: can't open kernel config file /boot/config-2.6.21.3 (fatal) |
| 23:22.31 | DawnLight | abrotman: "usage: qemu [options] [disk_image]". [] means it is supposed to be optional |
| 23:22.53 | theacolyte | Wyzard: permissions seem to be fine though, -rw-r--r-- |
| 23:22.59 | Wyzard | theacolyte: As tarzeau asked a minute ago, is the filesystem containing /boot mounted read-only? |
| 23:23.06 | abrotman | DawnLight: then it lies |
| 23:23.13 | DawnLight | aha! |
| 23:23.14 | Wyzard | (though if it were, I'd expect the error message to be "read-only filesystem", not "permission denied" |
| 23:23.32 | theacolyte | Wyzard: doesn't look like it: /dev/hda1 /boot ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 23:23.49 | theacolyte | What's the <pass> column? |
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| 23:23.49 | Wyzard | theacolyte: Does "touch /boot/grub/menu.lst" work? |
| 23:24.00 | abrotman | DawnLight: for example .. you might do something like this to install etch on a qemu image .. `qemu -boot d -cdrom installer.iso -hdc etch.img` |
| 23:24.07 | theacolyte | Wyzard: oh, no it doesn't actually |
| 23:24.12 | themill | DawnLight: qemu-launcher makes a lot of things easier |
| 23:24.16 | theacolyte | That's really odd |
| 23:24.26 | Wyzard | theacolyte: <pass> is used for specifying in which order filesystems should be fsck'ed at bootup |
| 23:24.33 | abrotman | DawnLight: that implies you've created etch.img earlier with qemu-img |
| 23:24.34 | DawnLight | yo thanks |
| 23:24.38 | theacolyte | interesting |
| 23:24.52 | Wyzard | theacolyte: Zero means don't fsck; nonzero numbers mean to fsck in that order |
| 23:25.09 | Wyzard | theacolyte: <dump> does something similar for backups |
| 23:25.26 | theacolyte | Wyzard: what's odd is I can reboot just fine |
| 23:25.29 | theacolyte | So it can read it on boot.. |
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| 23:25.48 | Wyzard | theacolyte: reading is one thing... you're trying to write it now |
| 23:26.05 | theacolyte | could SELinux prevent it? |
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| 23:26.14 | Wyzard | theacolyte: yes |
| 23:26.19 | theacolyte | selinux owns me again |
| 23:26.25 | theacolyte | how do you turn it off in debian? |
| 23:26.35 | Wyzard | theacolyte: but a sane SELinux policy shouldn't prevent update-grub from modifying that file |
| 23:26.51 | theacolyte | I've always managed to get into PAM problems with SELinux so I'm not opposed to turning it off, to be honest |
| 23:26.58 | Wyzard | theacolyte: It's some "selinux=" boot option, I think, but I'm not sure and I don't have much experience with it |
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| 23:27.05 | Wyzard | I'd try "selinux=off" |
| 23:27.17 | tarzeau | wow there's a selinux user |
| 23:27.42 | theacolyte | I didn't install the OS on this one |
| 23:27.44 | Wyzard | I'd be interested in using SELinux, but I'm hesitant because it doesn't seem like Debian has made a project-wide effort to support it well |
| 23:27.54 | Wyzard | as evidenced by this case of it (apparently) preventing update-grub from modifying menu.lst |
| 23:28.07 | Sivik | this is pissing me off |
| 23:28.21 | theacolyte | wait |
| 23:28.25 | theacolyte | It turns out I'm an idiot |
| 23:28.32 | theacolyte | Of course that's not entirely unheard of |
| 23:28.44 | theacolyte | checking something |
| 23:29.05 | theacolyte | nope, that wasn't it... |
| 23:29.17 | theacolyte | let me try to turn it off in grub.conf |
| 23:30.12 | Wyzard | theacolyte: Debian has no grub.conf |
| 23:30.17 | theacolyte | Actually this is pretty weird |
| 23:30.19 | theacolyte | I do... |
| 23:30.24 | Wyzard | theacolyte: The only place I've seen a grub.conf is Gentoo, where it's just a symlink to menu.lst |
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| 23:30.29 | theacolyte | I can't even edit /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 23:30.35 | Wyzard | or menu.lst is a symlink to grub.conf, same difference |
| 23:30.46 | Wyzard | At any rate, you can't edit it because it's the same file |
| 23:30.51 | Sivik | tarzeau: so how do i change it to make it work the way i need it to |
| 23:30.55 | theacolyte | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-11-09 13:32 grub.conf -> ./menu.lst |
| 23:30.56 | theacolyte | ah |
| 23:31.11 | tarzeau | Sivik: i don't know what you need. i can't read your mind |
| 23:31.15 | theacolyte | still can't figure out why the heck I can't edit this stuff |
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| 23:31.36 | Wyzard | theacolyte: SELinux seems like a pretty good theory to me |
| 23:32.04 | Sivik | tarzeau, ok, when i upload a file to /home/user/www (symlink to /var/www) the file premissions are 600, i need them to be 644 so all can view it without having to log into the machine to change permissions |
| 23:32.05 | theacolyte | I wonder what will happen if I do an apt-get remove selinux |
| 23:32.32 | tarzeau | Sivik: and this is vsftpd ? |
| 23:32.38 | Sivik | tarzeau, yes |
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| 23:33.12 | tarzeau | Sivik: is there no configuration of file permissions in vsftpd ? |
| 23:33.29 | Sivik | tarzeau, not that i can find, the only one i see if the vsftpd.conf file |
| 23:33.34 | tarzeau | Sivik: when i used ftpd, like last century, it had options for that (i was using proftpd) |
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| 23:33.49 | tarzeau | Sivik: have you read man 5 vsftpd.conf |
| 23:34.13 | Sivik | didn't know i could do that |
| 23:34.17 | themill | Sivik: most ftp clients have a umask setting that will override anything you set in the server; have you checked that? |
| 23:34.44 | Sivik | themill, i'm trying to find it, i think its currently set as 0022, i have no clue what that means |
| 23:34.59 | Wyzard | Sivik: That's 744 |
| 23:35.06 | themill | ish ;) |
| 23:35.08 | Wyzard | Sivik: oops, 755 |
| 23:35.09 | tarzeau | Wyzard: 755 |
| 23:35.17 | theacolyte | It's definately rw... |
| 23:35.41 | avtobiff | why can't i change the size of the lv's when installing etch partitioning with lvm and encryption? |
| 23:35.58 | Sivik | there we go |
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| 23:38.01 | Ryan52 | I just installed Debian on one of my systems and when I run aptitude update I get "W: GPG error: ...(mirror URL)... Unknown error executing gpgv". It's also happening with security.debian.org. How do I fix this? It says to run apt-get update but that doesn't help... |
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| 23:38.34 | pingouin | is there a command line tool to get informations about a image file ? (size, gamma, etc..) ? |
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| 23:39.27 | theacolyte | I think this is a PAM problem |
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| 23:39.36 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 23:39.40 | nkuttler | pingouin: identify, imagemagick |
| 23:39.46 | Wyzard | theacolyte: PAM doesn't control access to individual files in the filesystem |
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| 23:40.11 | theacolyte | then I'm really, truly at a loss here |
| 23:40.11 | pingouin | nkuttler: ok, good thanks you very much |
| 23:40.13 | themill | Ryan52: can you pastebin the entire output for us? |
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| 23:40.41 | Wyzard | theacolyte: Access to files in the filesystem is controlled by the kernel, ordinarily by checking the file's permission bits |
| 23:40.50 | Ryan52 | 1 minute |
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| 23:40.59 | fas3r | in table route what correspond the symbol * ? |
| 23:41.01 | Wyzard | theacolyte: Since the permissions are OK in this case, the problem has to be something else in the kernel... SELinux is the leading candidate |
| 23:41.02 | nkuttler | pingouin: there is a tool to extract exif info as well, not sure what it is called (exifinfo?) |
| 23:41.03 | themill | Ryan52: and do you have the gpgv package installed? |
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| 23:41.15 | avtobiff | pingouin, check out imagemagick |
| 23:41.21 | Wyzard | fas3r: default route... it matches anything that's not matched by one of the other rules |
| 23:41.21 | theacolyte | Wyzard: selinux=off doesn't seem to be doing the trick |
| 23:41.28 | Ryan52 | yes, I have gpgv |
| 23:41.33 | themill | fas3r: * = everything (think wildcard) |
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| 23:41.38 | fas3r | Wyzard: it's possible to remove it ? |
| 23:41.49 | Wyzard | though Debian's /sbin/route doesn't say "*" for the default route, it says 0.0.0.0 |
| 23:41.56 | Wyzard | fas3r: Where are you seeing that? |
| 23:42.08 | Wyzard | fas3r: and yes, you can remove your default route, but you'll lose the ability to talk to the Internet |
| 23:42.10 | fas3r | with command route |
| 23:42.32 | themill | fas3r: hang on.... it means direct in route... |
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| 23:42.48 | Wyzard | oh, nm, I see what you're seeing |
| 23:42.58 | Wyzard | The "*" is in the gateway column, not the destination column |
| 23:43.01 | theacolyte | Wyzard: sestatus says SELinux is disabled... |
| 23:43.04 | themill | fas3r: can you pastebin the output that you are worried about and tell us why you want it changed? |
| 23:43.09 | pingouin | avtobiff: i do. identify -verbose give me what i wanted for now ;) thanks you both nkuttler , avtobiff |
| 23:43.11 | DawnLight | i've used qemu-launcher to start a qemu session and i've ticked the "Start in stopped state" checkbox. now the qemu window only printed "serial0 console". pressing c doesn't make anything happen. what am i doing wrong? |
| 23:43.40 | Wyzard | As themill said, it means the host is directly-reachable -- it's on the same Ethernet segment, so it can be talked to without going through a router |
| 23:44.23 | themill | qemu-launcher doesn't always play nicely with the console controls |
| 23:44.30 | themill | DawnLight: ^^ |
| 23:44.32 | Ryan52 | Okay, this is the ouput of apt-get update: http://pastebin.ca/770193 |
| 23:44.45 | DawnLight | themill: so what can i do??/ |
| 23:45.05 | reiser2 | Wyzard: how can i configure the apps that loads when linux start |
| 23:45.07 | DawnLight | how do i at least shut down the session? |
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| 23:45.46 | themill | DawnLight: read man qemu and run it without qemu-launcher :) qemu-launcher solves a lot of things for you, but it can't do everything... |
| 23:45.49 | fas3r | it's just i don't understand .. i have my first server with two interface ( 192.168.2.1 and internet ) and a second server with two card ( 192.168.2.5 and 192.168.4.10) .. i have acces point with ip 192.168.4.2 connect on the second server. From the second server i ping the acces point, it'x normal. My problem from the first server i don't ping the acces point |
| 23:46.01 | fas3r | themill: ok i pastebin it 2 sec |
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| 23:46.03 | DawnLight | themill: should i just kill it? |
| 23:46.14 | jorgenpt | Hey. Any way to e.g. reinstall missing files from installed packages? |
| 23:46.25 | themill | jorgenpt: what sort of files? |
| 23:46.33 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 23:46.39 | jorgenpt | themill: Configuration and such, almost anything in /etc |
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| 23:46.55 | themill | jorgenpt: follow simonrvn's advice then |
| 23:46.57 | jorgenpt | I .. ran "rm -R foo/ bar /" but stopped it quickly. It only had time to eat from /etc |
| 23:47.03 | jorgenpt | But that includes /etc/init.d/* |
| 23:47.06 | themill | ouch |
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| 23:47.12 | themill | !reinstall |
| 23:47.12 | dpkg | reinstall is probably COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 23:47.14 | jorgenpt | Is /etc/init.d/* a config file? |
| 23:47.16 | Phil|Away | fas3r, because it's not in the same subnet |
| 23:47.28 | jorgenpt | themill: What files will that overwrite? |
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| 23:47.44 | Wyzard | fas3r: Your AP and your first server are on separate address ranges (192.168.2.x and 192.168.4.x) and separate physical networks that are not connected to each other |
| 23:47.48 | fas3r | Phil|Away: i have active forwarding i the second server |
| 23:48.00 | themill | DawnLight: umm... that depends on what you have inside the vm and how much you're going to miss by killing it. |
| 23:48.09 | Wyzard | fas3r: For them to talk to each other, your second server (the one with two NICs, connected to both physical networks) would have to be configured as a router |
| 23:48.10 | Phil|Away | fas3r, it will also need to be set as the gateway on server 1 |
| 23:48.12 | fas3r | and add route on the first server to 192.168.4.0 |
| 23:48.19 | Wyzard | fas3r: and you need a route entry on the first server |
| 23:48.48 | Wyzard | fas3r: saying that 192.168.4.x is reachable through the 192.168.2.5 gateway |
| 23:48.57 | fas3r | the route table on two server :http://pastebin.com/m510f7b6b |
| 23:49.13 | Wyzard | fas3r: otherwise the traffic for 192.168.4.x is handled by the default route, which sends it out to the Internet |
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| 23:49.26 | jorgenpt | Hm. Does anyone read me? My client claims I have >3minutes of lag. |
| 23:49.27 | themill | Ryan52: is the date and time on your machine correct? |
| 23:49.30 | jorgenpt | !ping |
| 23:49.31 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:49.35 | Wyzard | jorgenpt: I see you |
| 23:49.36 | jorgenpt | Okay, my client is on crack. |
| 23:49.48 | themill | jorgenpt: then get it to share some around... |
| 23:49.50 | jorgenpt | s/proxxy/proxy/ |
| 23:50.03 | jorgenpt | themill: That 'reinstall'-command, what will that overwrite? No configs? |
| 23:50.04 | hatter | a couple of my ssh putty terminals keep disconnecting, anyone got any lcues why an ssh connection would drop out ? |
| 23:50.08 | Ryan52 | no |
| 23:50.10 | jorgenpt | (like mysql dbs, etc) |
| 23:50.16 | Ryan52 | is that a problem? |
| 23:50.21 | Wyzard | fas3r: Looks like your routing table on the first server is correct... line 6 is the important one here |
| 23:50.48 | themill | jorgenpt: that will reinstall files that aren't conffiles; if you want conffiles, then you need the instructions from the confmiss factoid |
| 23:50.55 | Phil|Away | hatter, they all do that here after a period of inactivity |
| 23:50.57 | fas3r | Wyzard: yes i have add it |
| 23:51.01 | Phil|Away | I belive it's something to do with the router |
| 23:51.05 | Phil|Away | at home they're fine |
| 23:51.08 | Ryan52 | How do you change the date and time? (Without rebooting into the BIOS screen) |
| 23:51.27 | hatter | Phil|Away, hmmm, other putty connections i can come back to after hours |
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| 23:51.28 | themill | Ryan52: if the date is really really wrong, then the certificates will be invalid and that can cause the message you describe. |
| 23:51.39 | Ryan52 | okay, thanks |
| 23:51.44 | Wyzard | fas3r: The second server's route for 192.168.4.0 looks a little weird -- it should be a direct route ("*") rather than a gateway route (192.168.4.10) |
| 23:51.49 | Phil4 | are they port 22, hatter? |
| 23:51.59 | jorgenpt | themill: Thanks. |
| 23:52.01 | Wyzard | fas3r: but if the second server can ping the AP through that network, then the route apparently does work |
| 23:52.09 | hatter | Ryan52, you can use ntp-date to keep your server time correct |
| 23:52.15 | hatter | Phil4, yes, they are 22 |
| 23:52.18 | themill | Ryan52: you can set the date and time using ntpdate from the ntpdate package or by running the date command with appropriate args |
| 23:52.26 | fas3r | Wyzard: from the first server i ping 192.168.4.10 |
| 23:52.26 | Ryan52 | okay thanks |
| 23:52.40 | Phil4 | hatter, may be to do with the timeout setting in sshd_config of the affected servers |
| 23:52.44 | Wyzard | fas3r: You can use tcpdump on the second server to see whether the pings from the first server are arriving |
| 23:52.56 | Wyzard | fas3r: and if they are, make sure IP Forwarding is enabled on the second server |
| 23:52.59 | fas3r | yes it's the problem i don't see them |
| 23:52.59 | hatter | Phil4, great, i will check, wasnt aware of the timeout setting |
| 23:53.16 | Wyzard | fas3r: You've used tcpdump on the second server and the pings don't arrive? |
| 23:53.21 | fas3r | i have active forward with echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ip_forward |
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| 23:53.59 | Ryan52 | Changing the date and time fixed it |
| 23:54.08 | Ryan52 | Thanks |
| 23:54.16 | Phil4 | fas3r, from my rather try-it-and-see experience, I had to do a Masquerade with iptables |
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| 23:54.34 | Wyzard | Phil4: Masquerading is neither necessary nor appropriate in this situation |
| 23:54.58 | fas3r | i see the icmp request on the second server |
| 23:55.10 | fas3r | 23:54:25.683543 IP 192.168.2.1 > 192.168.4.2: ICMP echo request, id 43562, seq 6, length 64 |
| 23:55.13 | Wyzard | fas3r: OK... and that's when running tcpdump on eth0, right? |
| 23:55.28 | Wyzard | fas3r: how about running tcpdump on eth1? |
| 23:55.31 | fas3r | on eth0 and 1 |
| 23:55.42 | fas3r | 192.168.2.1 > 192.168.4.2: ICMP echo request, id 43562, seq 6, length 64 |
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| 23:56.07 | fas3r | first line on eth0 and the second on eth1 |
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| 23:56.20 | Wyzard | fas3r: OK, so the second server is correctly forwarding the packet |
| 23:56.26 | fas3r | i don't need forward eth1 and eth0 with iptables ? |
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| 23:56.33 | Wyzard | fas3r: but no response is coming back from the AP |
| 23:56.34 | fas3r | ok |
| 23:56.44 | Phil4 | Wyzard, my thinking was that because the access point is in a different subnet, the source header of the datagram must be rewritten |
| 23:56.45 | fas3r | but i ping it from the second server |
| 23:57.05 | hatter | what are some simple programs to show network utilisation out of a port ? |
| 23:57.11 | Wyzard | fas3r: It could be that the AP doesn't know how to send a packet to 192.168.2.x, so it can't send the response to the ping |
| 23:57.17 | Wyzard | fas3r: That'd be a routing-table issue on the AP |
| 23:57.19 | fas3r | http://pastebin.com/m4acf2303 |
| 23:57.24 | Wyzard | hatter: bwm |
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| 23:57.49 | hatter | Wyzard, thx |
| 23:58.09 | Wyzard | fas3r: The AP is in the 192.168.4.x network, so it knows how to send a response packet to 192.168.4.10 |
| 23:58.10 | jorgenpt | Sigh, I broke logon too. |
| 23:58.26 | Wyzard | fas3r: but it might not know how to send a response packet to 192.168.2.x |
| 23:58.42 | fas3r | i need to add the inverse route ? |
| 23:58.57 | obnauticus | hey on qemu |
| 23:59.08 | Wyzard | fas3r: You'd need to add a route on the AP telling it that 192.168.2.x is reachable via 192.168.4.10 |
| 23:59.09 | obnauticus | how do i specify the networking device. |
| 23:59.17 | fas3r | ok |
| 23:59.18 | obnauticus | because it keeps saying vr0 isn't a networking device which confuses me |
| 23:59.18 | obnauticus | :/ |
| 23:59.22 | fas3r | i come back |
| 23:59.36 | hatter | have you seen op-locks making a bit big difference with samba and database related apps ? |
