| 00:00.07 | cire | I think it was from official page |
| 00:00.09 | dudeman | amphi: el duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing |
| 00:00.16 | amphi | heh |
| 00:00.51 | cire | dudeman: I tried version 0.8, and also got it from sourceforge. |
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| 00:00.59 | cire | Which version are you using? |
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| 00:01.13 | dudeman | cire: i don't even remember, I'll have to go to the other room |
| 00:01.28 | dudeman | networking isn't setup yet. I just moved into a new apt so |
| 00:01.44 | roler | if I update my system to testing, can I later edit sources.list and change testing to stable? I know the system won't down grade, but will it eventually start getting new packages once something newer comes down the pipeline? |
| 00:01.54 | cire | okay, it's not THAT important - getting away from thge desk is hard, I also don't like it ;) |
| 00:01.56 | dudeman | roler: no |
| 00:02.00 | dudeman | !downgrade |
| 00:02.00 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 00:02.46 | roler | dudeman; I'm not technically 'downgrading' i'm just wanting to stop receiving testing and wait for the next stable that will be newer than what I currently have gotten from test |
| 00:02.48 | dudeman | Supaplex: umm? I missed it |
| 00:03.03 | dudeman | roler: so stick with testing until it goes stable |
| 00:03.13 | wols | roler: only when testing becomes the new stable. in about 18 months or so |
| 00:03.17 | abrotman | roler: if you do that .. you'll be stuck until lenny is released |
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| 00:03.42 | dudeman | instead of specifying "testing" or "stable" in sources.list, use names instead, like lenny or etch. |
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| 00:04.21 | dudeman | so when it goes stable, you'll just be you know.. ready to go |
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| 00:04.34 | gouti | <dpkg> First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. |
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| 00:04.40 | gouti | hmmmm.. how does one do that? |
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| 00:04.44 | dudeman | !bpo |
| 00:04.44 | dpkg | hmm... backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 00:04.53 | dudeman | !tell gouti -about dpkgbot |
| 00:05.24 | Ranbee | does anyone know which uk mirrors are good? |
| 00:05.33 | dudeman | Ranbee: use apt-spy |
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| 00:06.05 | Ranbee | dudeman: i'm doing an install and it's asking for a mirror |
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| 00:06.22 | Ranbee | never heard of apt-spy??? |
| 00:06.28 | sputnick | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.40 | dudeman | Ranbee: oh, that i don't know. just use ftp.XX.debian.org where XX is your country code |
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| 00:07.00 | guillaume1 | sputnick: use reload in compiz icon |
| 00:07.05 | dudeman | Ranbee: once your system is installed, install apt-spy and select europe or something |
| 00:07.17 | dudeman | !info apt-spy |
| 00:07.19 | dpkg | apt-spy: (writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.1-16+b3 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 00:07.40 | Ranbee | dudeman: ok thanks, the debian ftp looks like the default, its at the top of the list. thanks for the help |
| 00:07.45 | roler | thanks guys |
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| 00:07.49 | dudeman | yup |
| 00:08.02 | dudeman | man |
| 00:08.07 | dudeman | halfway through october almost |
| 00:08.41 | dudeman | I hope ati keeps the word. I can't wait for fglrx with aiglx support, so i can do some 3d stuff on this and shut my nephews up about vista |
| 00:09.01 | sputnick | guillaume1: I don't have any compiz icon. is there in taskbar ? |
| 00:09.09 | guillaume1 | sputnick: it's for compiz-fusion |
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| 00:09.29 | abrotman | Ranbee: use a uk mirror |
| 00:10.00 | guillaume1 | sputnick: If you're under lenny like me i advise you to change for compiz-fusion from shame repository because it's more stable |
| 00:10.08 | Ranbee | abrotman: yeap, i used the debian.org one, thanks. |
| 00:10.28 | sputnick | guillaume1: have you an how to ? |
| 00:10.28 | amphi | dudeman: you can't endure xgl? |
| 00:10.36 | dudeman | amphi: it crawls |
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| 00:10.44 | sputnick | guillaume1: or do you know the packets to install ? |
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| 00:10.54 | dudeman | amphi: half the time the entire picture is garbles and has lines running through it |
| 00:11.01 | dudeman | weird video issues under xgl |
| 00:11.04 | guillaume1 | sputnick: I'm under 2.6.22-2 with nvidia driver 100.14.11 |
| 00:11.05 | amphi | dudeman: ah - luckily my ancient radeon is supported by the xorg driver |
| 00:11.17 | sputnick | yes lenny guillaume1 but having packets from sid via apt/preferences |
| 00:11.27 | sputnick | guillaume1: nvidia too |
| 00:11.30 | dudeman | packages* |
| 00:11.32 | dudeman | not packets |
| 00:11.33 | dudeman | :) |
| 00:11.46 | sputnick | ok dudeman sorry :) |
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| 00:12.09 | guillaume1 | sputnick: http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/ |
| 00:12.15 | dudeman | packets in computer lingo usually means network packets, package means software package |
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| 00:13.25 | sputnick | guillaume1: I already have "deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/snapshot/ ./" in sid section |
| 00:13.50 | roler | in regards to my last question and converting sources.list testing to stable and waiting for the next wave of updates (although it sounds like it won't be until the next release) did I screw myself over on a production server? will I get say, critical updates ? or will those wait until the next full version as well ? |
| 00:14.07 | dudeman | amphi: at work I have a GeForce 7600GS, I'm set |
| 00:14.24 | sputnick | dudeman: yes but I'm French, my English's sucks & in French we can say package or paquets ( packets ) |
| 00:14.37 | guillaume1 | sputnick: me too :) |
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| 00:15.06 | dudeman | sputnick: its no problem, I was just trying to clear it up. I apologize for assuming that you didn't know the distinction |
| 00:15.07 | sputnick | right from Paris :) |
| 00:15.09 | dudeman | between them |
| 00:15.24 | sputnick | I assume it, yes ;) |
| 00:15.24 | dudeman | in 28 weeks later, at the end, paris looks like it will be infected |
| 00:15.31 | amphi | dudeman: that should work |
| 00:15.34 | dudeman | can't wait for a 3rd movie |
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| 00:15.49 | gouti | yup.. paris is infected |
| 00:15.51 | bush | sequels to sequels almost always suck |
| 00:15.53 | dudeman | dudeman: it does, and beautifully I might add |
| 00:16.00 | sputnick | guillaume1: apt-get install compiz-fusion ?? |
| 00:16.04 | lumpki | hey i havent seen it yet! |
| 00:16.09 | dudeman | ok ok |
| 00:16.12 | Turicas | hello. i want to install a desktop in a PC with 64MB of RAM. what window manager do you recommend and how i can install debian with it? |
| 00:16.13 | dudeman | i won't ruin it for ya then |
| 00:16.16 | gouti | lumpki, I was just kidding |
| 00:16.23 | gouti | I didn't see it either |
| 00:16.25 | dudeman | Turicas: xwinman.org |
| 00:16.27 | lumpki | ok then =) |
| 00:16.28 | dudeman | !xwinman |
| 00:16.29 | dpkg | hmm... xwinman is <URL:http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/> |
| 00:16.38 | dudeman | should be more descriptive |
| 00:16.41 | dudeman | hmm |
| 00:17.00 | abrotman | shouldn't that be xwinman.org ? |
| 00:17.23 | abrotman | bush: the third indiana jones was good! |
| 00:18.33 | dudeman | !xwinman |
| 00:18.33 | dpkg | methinks xwinman is http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
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| 00:19.30 | abrotman | especially since that's where the PLiG site redirects to |
| 00:19.42 | dudeman | Turicas: i would go with any *box wm, like fluxbox, blackbox, openbox, etc. etc. with 64mb ram, you really don't have much to work with |
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| 00:20.13 | Turicas | dudeman, i need a webbrowser and programs to office |
| 00:20.20 | dudeman | oh boy |
| 00:20.34 | abrotman | Turicas: that's pretty slim |
| 00:20.38 | dudeman | Turicas: may I suggest Damn Small Linux? |
| 00:20.43 | lumpki | Turicas, fluxbox is a good choice |
| 00:20.45 | dudeman | give that one a shot |
| 00:20.55 | abrotman | yeah .. but getting a browser and/or office apps in 64MB .. |
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| 00:21.30 | lumpki | install just the base debian system, and then "apt-get install x-window-system fluxbox" |
| 00:21.30 | Turicas | dudeman, i want to do it with debian...i need to know the names of package only :) |
| 00:21.31 | dudeman | Turicas: that is a debian based distro, not supported here of course, but it is minimalist, comes with Xwindows, Fluxbox, tons of lightweight X applications like file managers and browsers and the lot |
| 00:21.35 | lumpki | or something like that |
| 00:21.39 | gouti | I have debian installed on my NSLU2 |
| 00:21.41 | gouti | so cool |
| 00:21.43 | gouti | :D |
| 00:21.49 | Turicas | lumpki, yes...but and about the icons in desktop? :P |
| 00:21.53 | Tommy | Hello, i need to do a "poor mans install" of debian testing. But im not sure what the grub entry should look like to boot it, anyone know? |
| 00:21.55 | dudeman | gouti: heh, I play nethack on a linksys wrt |
| 00:22.00 | lumpki | then, dillo for browser, etc |
| 00:22.00 | abrotman | Turicas: icewm |
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| 00:22.12 | dudeman | actually |
| 00:22.17 | dudeman | x-window-system-core |
| 00:22.20 | lumpki | hmm, i managed to get icons on my fluxbox desktop |
| 00:22.30 | dudeman | lumpki: its a plugin |
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| 00:22.35 | lumpki | yep |
| 00:22.43 | lumpki | been a while |
| 00:22.57 | dudeman | I have 7 fucking computers! holy shit! |
| 00:23.01 | abrotman | http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/winclassic/ |
| 00:23.03 | abrotman | ick :) |
| 00:23.26 | dudeman | I can't bring myself to throw away computers if they still work |
| 00:24.52 | asg | abrotman: how classic is classic? |
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| 00:25.12 | abrotman | asg: .prg is en vogue ? |
| 00:25.30 | abrotman | was that the extension ? |
| 00:25.33 | asg | abrotman: hammertime \m/ |
| 00:25.39 | abrotman | break it down! |
| 00:26.26 | asg | abrotman: that's not classic, that's 95 |
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| 00:29.19 | EruditeHermit | hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me with gnome-power-manager. When I try to suspend with gpm running, I get an error and my computer doesn't suspend. However, when gpm isn't running, it suspends nicely. |
| 00:30.06 | abrotman | maybe stop gpm before you suspend |
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| 00:30.33 | EruditeHermit | abrotman: yeah, but I don't want to have to do that every time |
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| 00:30.59 | abrotman | you don't have to .. you can put it in the suspend script |
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| 00:32.53 | EruditeHermit | abrotman: should I just add a killall gome-power-manager to it? |
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| 00:33.38 | abrotman | maybe ? :) |
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| 00:34.49 | EruditeHermit | abrotman: seems very crude |
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| 00:35.15 | abrotman | EruditeHermit: did you check the BTS for issues ? |
| 00:35.53 | stopher | Having debian problems--- During boot, eth0 and eth1 fail to initialize with "device not found"...system has been running since first of july and hasn't ever had this issue. We lost power recently, but all systems are backed up twice on UPS and surge and power systems, so are the routers switches etc. |
| 00:36.50 | abrotman | do they show up in lspci? |
| 00:37.35 | EruditeHermit | abrotman: the issue is that gpm uses pm-suspend which is not set up in a working way on my computer. Without gpm running, my laptop uses acpi scripts in acpi packages acpi and acpi-support. The sleep script is this http://rafb.net/p/MPYSwD22.html As you can see there is an override for gpm. |
| 00:38.07 | EruditeHermit | abrotman: I'd love to have pm-suspend work, but that failing, I don't mind having the existing mechanism do the suspending. |
| 00:38.27 | abrotman | EruditeHermit: tried filing a bug ? |
| 00:38.42 | stopher | abchirk: 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Cp., |
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| 00:38.48 | EruditeHermit | abrotman: nope should I? |
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| 00:39.12 | stopher | whoops! |
| 00:39.20 | stopher | abrotman : 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Cp., |
| 00:39.22 | stopher | lol |
| 00:39.26 | abrotman | EruditeHermit: if you think it should work |
| 00:39.29 | abrotman | stopher: seems to be there |
| 00:39.41 | stopher | abrotman: try another reboot? |
| 00:43.03 | abrotman | have a liveCD to try ? |
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| 00:43.38 | stopher | abrotman: I don't, but a reboot just brought it back online properly! thanks! |
| 00:43.47 | stopher | that server seems to be fickle lately |
| 00:43.54 | abrotman | stopher: can't be good |
| 00:44.31 | stopher | abrotman: i don't suppose it is. i have a new server in route to me now, and this one is being backed up to a remote location every 5 hours. |
| 00:44.39 | stopher | just because of it's many problems lately |
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| 00:46.20 | charzero | Is there a "Debian Way" to choose which version of gcc is used (ala update-alternatives or something)? |
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| 00:47.49 | charzero | Or do I just set env variable CC? |
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| 00:48.23 | lumpki | on my system /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink to the real gcc |
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| 00:49.08 | charzero | lumpki: It is on mine too, but I don't want to start changing stuff in /usr/bin. |
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| 00:49.45 | abrotman | charzero: set the CC |
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| 00:50.55 | tomatobros | hi how can i install enlightenment dr17 for etch ? |
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| 00:51.14 | moneyman | Whats up everybody? |
| 00:51.38 | flami | Hi , Is there a way to get java6 on etch amd64 ? I tried sid and backports and nothing seems to work :/. |
| 00:51.45 | dkr | tomatobros: even in sid there is still just e16, :) |
| 00:52.05 | moneyman | Anybody in here wanna chat? |
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| 00:52.14 | moneyman | TOOL! |
| 00:52.20 | dkr | tomatobros: you have to get e17 from cvs/compile yourself |
| 00:52.43 | abrotman | moneyman: this isn't a social channel |
| 00:52.45 | tomatobros | hmm to hard for me :D |
| 00:52.46 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 00:52.46 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 00:52.48 | databuddy | right again any projects around here need mirrors? |
| 00:53.06 | dkr | oh, well there ya go. someone made some .debs :) |
| 00:53.07 | bush | you're damn right its not! |
| 00:53.20 | Lateralus | How can I purge all files related to a package, even if the prerm etc scripts return a failed status? I've been trying different arguments to dpkg, none remove everything and uninstall. |
| 00:53.32 | databuddy | aptitude --purge remove |
| 00:53.36 | dkr | abrotman: dr17 is a weird factoid, you'd think the letter e would be involved somehow, :) |
| 00:53.42 | abrotman | dkr: i didn't makeit |
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| 00:53.53 | databuddy | Lateralus what got u to that point anyway |
| 00:54.01 | dkr | abrotman: that was the generic form of "you" ;) |
| 00:54.12 | databuddy | abrotman my earlier q? know of any kewl projects that need a little space/bw ? |
| 00:54.20 | Lateralus | databuddy: I'm making the package, the prerm etc scripts are fubar |
| 00:54.24 | abrotman | databuddy: /msg dpkg wud |
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| 00:54.38 | abrotman | Lateralus: you could feed the filelist to xargs rm |
| 00:54.47 | Lateralus | databuddy: I don't have aptitude, btw, this is an embedded system. |
| 00:54.47 | databuddy | ~____~ |
| 00:54.57 | abrotman | databuddy: do you have a debian question ? |
| 00:55.26 | databuddy | Can you think of any great debian projects that could use a mirror? Perhaps some small repositories? |
| 00:55.31 | databuddy | /ew/ |
| 00:55.33 | abrotman | jesus .. no .. go away |
| 00:55.39 | databuddy | ............. |
| 00:55.43 | Lateralus | abrotman: Don't know enough about debian to feel safe doing that |
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| 00:55.47 | databuddy | no need to bring that jesus bastard into this |
| 00:55.59 | abrotman | databuddy: this is a support channel .. |
| 00:56.13 | moneyman | Does anybody in here know of some social IRC channels |
| 00:56.19 | databuddy | #spam |
| 00:56.25 | zinx | #socialites |
| 00:56.30 | databuddy | #politics |
| 00:56.33 | abrotman | moneyman: #defocus |
| 00:56.46 | abrotman | Lateralus: do you have your .file in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ? |
| 00:56.50 | rhsanborn | Can I change my version from stable to testing without a complete reinstall if I want to? (Want to upgrade when KDE 4 gets put into test) |
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| 00:57.05 | dkr | irc is the anti-social's social hangout |
| 00:57.06 | Sherlock | rlock: hi i forget the name of a program - its for the commmand line, and shows file progress, you have to pipe it through other commands like cp |
| 00:57.07 | abrotman | rhsanborn: you can run lenny ... you can't downgrade |
| 00:57.22 | Lateralus | abrotman: I have a few files in dpkg/info/, is it safe to remove the init.d script, the files in dpkh/info, and the binary? |
| 00:57.24 | rhsanborn | abrotman, a gentlement and a scholar as always....well, at least a scholar, thanks |
| 00:57.42 | abrotman | rhsanborn: hey! |
| 00:57.45 | rhsanborn | :P |
| 00:57.47 | Lateralus | abrotman: and, if I do rm them, do I have to do anything to get dpkg back in line? eg, let it know the package is gone, let it update itself, anything? |
| 00:57.58 | abrotman | Lateralus: no .. there is likely a blah.list where blah is your package name |
| 00:58.01 | dkr | Sherlock: that sounds difficult. hwo would it know what the total is going to be, data is piped through just a bit at a time |
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| 00:58.10 | guillaume1 | abrotman: I have one :) xsane make black scan under lenny with a canon lide30 scanner (all seem to be ok with the device but the pic output are corrupted) |
| 00:58.18 | Lateralus | abrotman: ah, I see. |
| 00:58.21 | abrotman | Lateralus: for example .. cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/binutils.list |
| 00:58.33 | abrotman | guillaume1: i don't own a scanner .. |
| 00:58.39 | abrotman | never tried to use one in linux |
| 00:58.42 | Sherlock | dkr: i was stumbling aroud in firefox, and found a utility for it, but just cant find it |
| 00:58.52 | Sherlock | starts with p.... something |
| 00:58.52 | guillaume1 | abrotman: ok :) |
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| 00:59.19 | guillaume1 | under console scan work well but not under xsane |
| 00:59.21 | abrotman | Sherlock: what is "file progress" ? |
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| 00:59.30 | dkr | Sherlock: pv - Shell pipeline element to meter data passing through |
| 00:59.37 | abrotman | there you go! |
| 00:59.43 | dkr | I found it by doing aptitude search \~dprogress |
| 00:59.46 | Lateralus | abrotman: excellent, is this all I need, or is there anything I have to do with dpkg after the fact? |
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| 01:00.03 | Sherlock | amazing! |
| 01:00.05 | abrotman | Lateralus: set the status to not-installed or whatever |
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| 01:00.29 | Sherlock | gotta love commandline, thanks |
| 01:00.39 | Arafangion | Hey guys, I'm having trouble compiling fakeroot, how should I find out info as to how to fix it on my (non-debian) system? (fakeroot seems to be a *debian* program) |
| 01:01.30 | Lateralus | abrotman: thanks for your help |
| 01:01.39 | abrotman | Lateralus: you could also set the rm script to exit early |
| 01:02.24 | abrotman | or fix the rm script |
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| 01:04.26 | Tommy | Hello, i need to install debian lenny via a 'poor mans install' but it keeps trying to detect my cd-rom drive (which i dont have) and it will not continue until its gets detected. How can i tell it all the files are on a partition, no a cd? |
| 01:05.00 | stew | Tommy: what do you mean by "poor mans install' ? |
| 01:06.02 | Tommy | stew: extract all the iso files to a partition the boot into that partition via grub and install it, no need for a cd drive |
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| 01:07.40 | stew | Tommy: sounds lik you should be using the hd-media installer, not an iso |
| 01:08.19 | Tommy | stew: where can i find that? |
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| 01:09.39 | abrotman | guess he found it |
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| 01:11.27 | marinosi | hello..I did a mistake and deleted all files under /var/cache/archives |
| 01:11.38 | abrotman | /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 01:11.43 | marinosi | yes |
| 01:11.49 | abrotman | nothing wrong with that |
| 01:12.02 | marinosi | the system does not work good |
| 01:12.09 | marinosi | i cannot use apt-get install |
| 01:12.09 | stew | marinosi: that's fine, you are always allowed to delete any files you want in /var/cache. you can't neccessarily delete directories but you can delete any files |
| 01:12.11 | bush | you may have other problems |
| 01:12.24 | abrotman | marinosi: we need errors |
| 01:12.24 | marinosi | like what? |
| 01:12.25 | stew | marinosi: why can't you use apt-get install? |
| 01:12.28 | bush | s/may/probably |
| 01:12.31 | guillaume1 | goodnight all :) see you |
| 01:13.11 | marinosi | I get Error: Directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing |
| 01:13.23 | stew | marinosi: mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
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| 01:15.36 | marinosi | ok it works now..You know I could change vt from inside X and I couldn't change the kbd layout, and i thought something was wrong with that |
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| 01:23.58 | dkr | is there a way to read vmdk images other than using vmware? |
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| 01:25.24 | Nyle | vmplayer? |
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| 01:26.58 | dkr | I'm having trouble migrating a gforge setup frmo the vmware fedora core image to a debian stable server. ah, gufymike pointed me in the right direction, vmware provides a tool |
| 01:27.01 | dkr | http://www.vmware.com/support/reference/linux/loopback_linux.html |
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| 01:28.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Due to multiple power cuts lately that cost me two hard drives so far, I'm considering buying a UPS. Can anyone recommend a (preferably) cheap UPS? |
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| 01:28.29 | abrotman | go to bestbuy |
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| 01:28.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Wrong continent, sorry. :) |
| 01:29.16 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: so s/bestbuy/localmegachain/ |
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| 01:29.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Will any UPS do? |
| 01:29.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I thought maybe there were some differences between them |
| 01:29.39 | abrotman | better than nothing |
| 01:29.44 | abrotman | there are .. size etc ... |
| 01:29.46 | abrotman | load .. |
| 01:29.50 | abrotman | all kinds of fun stuff |
| 01:29.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | I got a 500W PSU |
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| 01:30.16 | flami | I saw UPS in india that consisted of a car battery and a selfmade stuff , and they worked ;P i guess any does , as long as it has enough power to suply your pc |
| 01:30.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Also, how long can I expect its power to last? |
| 01:30.27 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: depends on the size |
| 01:30.52 | civillian | you can roll your own ups with a car batt and an inverter |
| 01:30.52 | civillian | no smarts tho |
| 01:30.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | lol |
| 01:30.52 | civillian | unless you're into electronics engineering |
| 01:30.57 | civillian | some have done it! |
| 01:31.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Which would you recommend for a computer with a 500W PSU? |
| 01:31.12 | flami | I was actually afraid Id die of an electrical shock on those thngs ;P |
| 01:31.14 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: apcc.com |
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| 01:32.13 | flami | Dark_Apostrophe, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply#Choosing_a_UPS |
| 01:32.17 | flami | maybe this helps |
| 01:32.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Thanks :) |
| 01:32.37 | thrashyy | Is there anyway to view the current speed your uploading/downloading in debian on the entire box? |
| 01:32.53 | abrotman | ntop or jnettop maybe |
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| 01:34.26 | dkr | iptraf |
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| 01:35.44 | Lateralus | Can anyone shed some light on what may be happening if when building a debian package (dpkg-buildpackage) the application gets built correctly in my src/ tree, but in debian/app/usr/local/bin/app the file has no symbols? |
| 01:36.31 | Lateralus | eg, src/app is a good binary, but what gets installed with the deb is not. |
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| 01:36.42 | dalias | installed binary should not have symbols! |
| 01:37.17 | civillian | Dark_Apostrophe: be aware that 500va does NOT mean you can use it on a 500w PSU |
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| 01:37.30 | civillian | there's a calc |
| 01:37.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Link? |
| 01:37.44 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: ask ##hardware |
| 01:38.12 | civillian | umm i do it in my head :P but apcc.com has a calculator. it will recommend an oversized one... |
| 01:38.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, thanks :) |
| 01:38.34 | civillian | think its about 1.3 times the wattage of the load |
| 01:38.36 | Lateralus | dalias: What do you mean? There is no main. |
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| 01:40.36 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 01:40.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 01:42.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know if the iwlwifi driver will ever be packaged for Debian? |
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| 01:42.10 | |messiah| | Hi all |
| 01:42.13 | dalias | lateralus, huh? |
| 01:42.27 | dalias | an executable program does not need symbols |
| 01:42.55 | |messiah| | I have a new laptop and I want to configure wifi in my laptop with debian 4.0, I cant configure up to now, I have a Broadcom card as wifi, how can I configure it_ |
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| 01:43.38 | dondelelcaro | |messiah|: you need the firmware for your card, and a reasonable reacent kernel (don't remember if etch's is new enough) and then it should work. |
| 01:44.38 | |messiah| | 2.6.18 is my kernel, and the firmware how can I know it? I have windows too in the machine |
| 01:45.39 | abrotman | likely you need the bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 01:45.50 | dondelelcaro | !bcm43xx |
| 01:45.51 | dpkg | from memory, bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx, or <bcm43xx-fwcutter>, or #bcm-users @ irc.freenode.net |
| 01:45.52 | abrotman | though that firmware doesn't work with all broadcom wifi nics |
| 01:45.54 | dondelelcaro | |messiah|: see above |
| 01:46.26 | |messiah| | ohh ok thanks |
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| 01:58.46 | eshear | I have servers running Debian Etch; I want to upgrade to lighttpd 1.4.18 (there's a security hole). 1.4.18 is only available in unstable and testing. I tried adding unstable to my /etc/apt/sources.list but when I try to install lighttpd off of that it also removes a bunch of programs (like daemontools and the kernel headers???) and reinstalls all my libc type stuff. |
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| 01:59.02 | eshear | is there some way to just upgrade lighttpd, or is my request fundamentally malformed? :) |
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| 02:00.37 | popt | what's need or when you will start a NFS Server for file sharing? |
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| 02:01.32 | eshear | the exploit seems to be on fcgi...which we use... |
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| 02:01.44 | Clinton__ | How is KDE4 shaping up in Debian's repositories? |
| 02:02.01 | dondelelcaro | eshear: you want to backport it or just backport the security fix |
| 02:02.08 | Guerin | eshear: security.debian.org |
| 02:02.21 | Guerin | if the security fix hasn't already been done |
| 02:02.30 | dondelelcaro | eshear: though that particular security issue (CVE-2007-4727) was fixed already in DSA-1362-2 |
| 02:02.32 | eshear | ok, so I'm a bad sysadmin - i don't actually understand how backporting works |
| 02:02.44 | Guerin | the good thing about debian is that you don't have to |
| 02:02.51 | eshear | yes, i've been relying on that :) |
| 02:03.08 | Guerin | leave it to the programmers, just keep security.debian.org in your sources.list and keep an eye on debian-security-announce |
| 02:03.09 | dondelelcaro | eshear: so just install the package from security.debian.org |
| 02:03.11 | eshear | i presumed that running 1.4.13 was still safe, since debian still let me install it |
| 02:03.26 | eshear | ok, i have security.debian.org on my packages list |
| 02:03.28 | dondelelcaro | eshear: it is, if it's 1.4.13-4etch4 |
| 02:03.37 | eshear | yes, it is, great |
| 02:03.44 | eshear | i am happy to hear i was actually safer than I thought i was :) |
| 02:03.57 | eshear | how do I subscribe to debian-security-announce? is it just a mailing list on debian.org? |
| 02:04.00 | Guerin | the laziness imperative of debian wins again! |
| 02:04.05 | Guerin | eshear: yes. |
| 02:04.17 | Guerin | lists.d.o |
| 02:04.27 | eshear | found it |
| 02:04.31 | eshear | great, that was painless |
| 02:04.36 | eshear | best way to get a security update i ever heard of |
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| 02:18.01 | neuro_damage | how do i make the fuse module uatolaod on boot? |
| 02:18.10 | abrotman | put it in /etc/modules |
| 02:18.10 | neuro_damage | /etc/modules.d? have something to do with ? |
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| 02:27.07 | databuddy | o: |
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| 02:39.14 | Ranbee | does debian have a build package? gcc etc |
| 02:39.33 | abrotman | !b-e Ranbee |
| 02:39.34 | dpkg | Ranbee: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 02:39.42 | Ranbee | great thanks |
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| 02:48.43 | luiscota | Hi, where can I find the 50 MB debian version for download? Thanks. |
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| 02:49.28 | stew | luiscota: go to debian.org, click on getting debian, click on download, its the image named "businesscard" |
| 02:49.43 | luiscota | stew, thanks. |
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| 02:53.58 | luiscota | stew, I'm sorry, but the search is not enabled on the Debian site right now. Can you give me another clue? |
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| 02:54.59 | stew | luiscota: you shouldn't have to search. go to debian.org, on the left there is a "getting debian" link, click on that, then you'll get a link to "download a bootable image" click on that, then click on one of th e"businesscard" links |
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| 02:55.43 | magyar | need help removing a host from denyhosts block |
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| 02:57.17 | luiscota | stew, I can't find exactly those options. What I get is "Download a minimal CD image" ... "Download CD/DVD images using HTTP or FTP". |
| 02:57.30 | dagbrown | luiscota: "Download a minimal CD image" |
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| 02:57.45 | luiscota | dagbrown, thanks. |
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| 02:59.32 | luiscota | dagbrown, stew, I found it. I wonder if this version has a minimal window manager or the like. |
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| 03:00.02 | dagbrown | luiscota: Absolutely not. It's nothing but an installer. |
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| 03:00.38 | luiscota | dagbrown, I should've started asking that... |
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| 03:02.12 | luiscota | dagbrown, is there, however, some compact Debian that competes (in size and integration -no flames, please) with, for example, Puppy Linux or DSL? |
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| 03:03.05 | nathan__ | how can I install java on my debian system? the web browser plug in? |
| 03:03.25 | dagbrown | luiscota: Knoppix? Damn Small Linux? Pen Drive Linux? They're all Debian, but they're not official. |
| 03:03.50 | luiscota | dagbrown, I see, thanks. |
| 03:04.30 | dagbrown | Debian itself isn't about about livecds, but there are livecds built with Debian. |
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| 03:04.57 | luiscota | dagbrown, OK, I'm on DSL now. |
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| 03:13.40 | manson | hi, anyone awake? |
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| 03:14.36 | kuchcha | hello friends....i have a computer running on debian without a monitor......i want to login it to it using my laptop by connecting it wiht the ethernet cable......is it possible? |
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| 03:14.50 | manson | kuchcha: yes, over ssh |
| 03:14.59 | nathan__ | how can I install java on my debian system? the web browser plug in? |
| 03:15.21 | manson | what browser? |
| 03:15.24 | kuchcha | manson: how to obtain the IP address of that debian CPU? |
| 03:15.40 | Guerin | a cpu doesn't have an ip address |
| 03:15.44 | kuchcha | manson: it is not connected to the internet |
| 03:15.49 | manson | Guerin: dont be mean :) |
| 03:16.06 | Guerin | manson: when people stop being stupid I'll stop being mean ;) |
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| 03:16.10 | kuchcha | Guerin: yeah :-P...but to SSH it without having an adddress |
| 03:16.12 | manson | kuchcha: you will need monitor for that |
| 03:16.16 | Guerin | kuchcha: go over to it and type `ifconfig' |
| 03:16.24 | manson | Guerin: i have one q for u |
| 03:16.43 | Guerin | manson: we don't charge by the character, you can use complete words like `question' and `you' |
| 03:17.02 | manson | Guerin: "oh my god" "thank you" |
| 03:17.07 | manson | :)) |
| 03:17.10 | Guerin | you're welcome. |
| 03:17.31 | manson | well the problem is when i format 20gb disk and then mount it i get only 9gb ? |
| 03:17.52 | manson | but in format says it's 20gb disk |
| 03:18.00 | Guerin | manson: you don't format a disk, you format a partition. I guess the partition you formatted is only 9g |
| 03:18.11 | nathan__ | iceweasel and konqueror |
| 03:18.12 | manson | hmm... no |
| 03:18.17 | kuchcha | How to do ifconfig if i have no monitor....is there a way around this? |
| 03:18.31 | manson | i delete all partition's and create one 20gb in size |
| 03:18.34 | civillian | kuchcha: how did you even get debian on with no mon? |
| 03:18.38 | Guerin | kuchcha: please don't /msg me. Go and plug a monitor in to it for the mean time. there's no other simple, reliable way |
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| 03:18.49 | Guerin | manson: apparently not. |
| 03:18.57 | manson | hmmm u have some time? |
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| 03:19.04 | Guerin | no, i'm busy |
| 03:19.06 | kuchcha | civilian: i got it from my friend who has been using it as a server with remote login for many years now |
| 03:19.08 | Guerin | just procrastinating |
| 03:19.10 | manson | Guerin: k |
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| 03:19.38 | civillian | kuchcha: ok so it was probably running ssh, try ssh'ing to it... i assume he gave you the passwords |
| 03:19.53 | kuchcha | Guerin: okay.. |
| 03:19.59 | manson | civillian: how will he ssh when he dont have ip ? :))) |
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| 03:20.31 | civillian | manson: try nmap [subnet] and see which box responds |
| 03:20.38 | kuchcha | civilian: yes ..thats wat i thought but its not connected to the internet....but i can connect it to my laptop using the ethernet cable....would that help? |
| 03:20.39 | civillian | that goes for kuchcha too |
| 03:20.46 | manson | civillian: :)) |
| 03:20.50 | civillian | yes, if its crossover |
| 03:20.58 | nathan__ | how can I install java on my debian system? the web browser plug in? in ice weasel |
| 03:21.05 | mhall | Yo guys, I am working on moving my mail service to a Xen VPS with fetchmail retrieval... it's working pretty awesomely but I need a little help buttoning up my postfix configuration. I want to know if there is some command which will tell me ahead of time if anything is wrong with the configuration so that smtpd won't bomb once copies fork off, and I want to know how to increase the throttling time after smtpd bombs so I don't fork-bomb my VPS instance. |
| 03:21.06 | aindilis | I am wondering what is the prefered method for testing packages using a COW filesystem? |
| 03:21.29 | mhall | jelly-home: fetchmail's working pretty damn nicely with dovecot imap btw |
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| 03:22.29 | manson | so, anyone, here >>> http://pastebin.com/m1ba45c31 <<< is cfdisk output, when i go mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 i have one 10gb partition |
| 03:22.43 | kuchcha | civilian: im not using linux on my laptop....its on windows....is there a way to use SSH or something similar so that i configure the internet in my debian CPU and do the normal SSH later on |
| 03:23.15 | manson | kuchcha: putty ? |
| 03:23.26 | manson | if you are talking about client |
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| 03:23.47 | kuchcha | manson: yeah...im using putty :-)....im askin how to use putty to communicate with that CPU |
| 03:24.10 | manson | u must know ip of that box first |
| 03:24.26 | mhall | kuchcha: well you have to have some kind of ssh server installed and you gotta know the ip |
| 03:24.32 | civillian | kuchcha: as said before, non that are easy. its possible to put a console on a serial port etc, but this isn't enabled by default in debian. |
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| 03:24.52 | mhall | kuchcha: if you are lucky maybe the box has serial console and you can do it that way but you'd still need to edit files to make it happen |
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| 03:25.08 | manson | can anyone Help me ? :))) here >>> http://pastebin.com/m1ba45c31 <<< is |
| 03:25.09 | manson | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.09 | manson | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.10 | databuddy | @_@ |
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| 03:25.19 | kuchcha | and all of that requires a monitor.... :-S |
| 03:25.22 | mhall | kuchcha: though if the BIOS has serial console you could use that and Debian would not need to know |
| 03:25.46 | kuchcha | oh... |
| 03:25.50 | civillian | manson: how old is the box? |
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| 03:26.08 | manson | civillian: 8+ years |
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| 03:27.14 | civillian | kuchcha: if you downlaod nmap for windows, then use a crossover cable between your laptop and the box, you may be able to sniff for port 22 on subnet xy/z... also, arp tables can be of use. try arp -a on 'doze. |
| 03:27.31 | civillian | ... box |
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| 03:27.59 | manson | so nobody knows how to solve this disk issue? |
| 03:28.02 | aindilis | For instance pbuilder seems to be used for testing whether packages build, not whether they are usable there after. |
| 03:28.05 | Rusty1 | kuchcha: google: netstumbler, only heard about it, never used it |
| 03:28.16 | dondelelcaro | aindilis: it can be, actually. |
| 03:28.23 | manson | Rusty1: omg? nestubler for what? |
| 03:28.27 | aindilis | dondelelcaro: with no modification? |
| 03:28.29 | civillian | manson: umm you may not have LBA even enabled. 8 years ago HDDs were going through some growing pains and stuff like what you're experiencing was common. sometimes a BIOS reflash can fix those issues, but risky as always. |
| 03:28.39 | dondelelcaro | aindilis: if you've got the tests, it's quite trivial to run them |
| 03:28.53 | kuchcha | thanks ppl....let me try nmap and netstumbler and get back.....thanks civilian, manson,mhall and rusty |
| 03:28.59 | manson | civillian: thx, i have one more disk on that box |
| 03:29.05 | aindilis | dondelelcaro: can I just chroot or whatever and play around to make sure they work or must they be scripted? |
| 03:29.06 | manson | kuchcha: lol, dont try netstumbler |
| 03:29.15 | Tramp | kuchcha: are you sure the IP is static? |
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| 03:29.56 | kuchcha | Tramp: I dont know if it has an IP at all |
| 03:30.02 | dondelelcaro | aindilis: you could, yes. |
| 03:30.04 | kuchcha | it is not connected to the internet |
| 03:30.10 | kuchcha | manson: why? |
| 03:30.15 | aindilis | dondelelcaro: okay then I guess that's what I'll do |
| 03:30.27 | Rusty1 | manson , just something from my (rusty) memory - sorry |
| 03:30.32 | aindilis | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 03:30.33 | Tramp | kuchcha: You could try to set up a dhcp-Server on Windows, then connect with a cross-cable |
| 03:30.38 | manson | kuchcha: netstumbler is Wireless tool |
| 03:30.38 | dondelelcaro | aindilis: Planet Don |
| 03:30.45 | manson | it want help you at all |
| 03:30.52 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that's useless |
| 03:31.09 | dondelelcaro | aindilis: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/development/.pbuilder_hooks/ has some examples of hooks that I actually use |
| 03:31.28 | kuchcha | manson: oh...thanks |
| 03:31.34 | aindilis | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 03:31.39 | manson | civillian: nop, another disk, same issue |
| 03:32.13 | civillian | manson: another disk on the same machine, same problem? |
| 03:32.19 | manson | yup |
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| 03:32.29 | civillian | manson: same size disk? |
| 03:32.33 | manson | yup |
| 03:32.36 | kuchcha | Tramp: thanks ... let me try that |
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| 03:33.20 | keith4_ | can someone check my sanity on this one...? |
| 03:33.28 | manson | on what? |
| 03:33.42 | civillian | manson: check if there's a bios upgrade for your board. have you done a bios upgrade before? |
| 03:34.00 | keith4_ | on etch, i tried to install php-net-socket |
| 03:34.33 | manson | civillian: no bios upgrade there, but i have one other 20 gb disk that has partition for /home /temp /usr etc.etc. |
| 03:34.39 | keith4_ | but it wants to install php4-pear, so I tried to install php-pear, but it's broken |
| 03:34.55 | keith4_ | because it depends on php5-cli, which is broken, I think |
| 03:35.24 | civillian | manson: no bios upgrade where? on the site? |
| 03:36.41 | nathan__ | how can I install java on my debian system? the web browser plug in? in ice weasel |
| 03:37.30 | keith4_ | it's packaged... sun-java-plugin or something likie that |
| 03:37.40 | keith4_ | in non-free |
| 03:37.42 | manson | on that box |
| 03:38.04 | civillian | manson: do you have the motherboard model number handy? |
| 03:38.15 | civillian | manson: and bios revision number? |
| 03:38.17 | civillian | or date? |
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| 03:38.54 | manson | civillian: yeah, that could be a problem, box is about 200 miles from my place :D |
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| 03:39.35 | civillian | manson: try installing lshw |
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| 03:39.49 | civillian | that should tell you.. |
| 03:40.10 | keith4_ | can anyone confirm or deny that php5-cli is broken in etch? |
| 03:40.31 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: it should be working just fine |
| 03:40.37 | dondelelcaro | !+info php5-cli etch |
| 03:40.38 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:40.44 | dpkg | php5-cli: (command-line interpreter for the php5 scripting language), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8+etch5~pu1 (etch), Packaged size: 2340 kB, Installed size: 5128 kB |
| 03:40.47 | nathan__ | apt-get install sun-java-plugin -> not found |
| 03:40.59 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: if you're unable to install it, you'll need to give us the full output of your apt-get install run along with apt-cache policy foopkg; for the packages in question. |
| 03:41.12 | civillian | nathan__: its non-free, make sure your sources.list has a non-free entry |
| 03:41.14 | keith4_ | hold on, might be my apt cacher |
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| 03:41.42 | manson | civillian: done, what do u need? |
| 03:42.08 | civillian | manson: i think at the top somewhere it should have your mobo info |
| 03:42.15 | manson | yup |
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| 03:42.39 | manson | bad idea :) |
| 03:42.40 | civillian | lol woopsie! |
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| 03:43.18 | mhall | I need a little help buttoning up my postfix configuration. I want to know if there is some command which will tell me ahead of time if anything is wrong with the configuration so that smtpd won't die unexpectedly, and I want to know how to increase the throttling time after smtpd dies so I don't fork-bomb my server. |
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| 03:43.32 | keith4_ | mhall: try #postfix? |
| 03:43.47 | civillian | manson: think you're in luck.... sorta |
| 03:43.50 | civillian | manson: http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/d815egew/sb/cs-013157.htm |
| 03:43.57 | civillian | see the bit about LBA? |
| 03:44.28 | civillian | manson: only prob being you should be physically at the box for a bios upgrade |
| 03:45.24 | nathan__ | how can I install java on my debian system? the web browser plug in? in ice weasel |
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| 03:46.01 | keith4_ | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m3a3303b9 |
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| 03:46.17 | keith4_ | nathan__: `apt-cache search java | grep plugin` |
| 03:46.23 | keith4_ | it's in there, I swear |
| 03:46.46 | nathan__ | you don't need the ` but ok |
| 03:47.16 | nathan__ | there's this: java-gcj-compat-plugin - Web browser plugin to execute Java (tm) applets using gij |
| 03:47.37 | nathan__ | some muscle card thing |
| 03:47.41 | manson | civillian: yeah thx |
| 03:47.43 | nathan__ | and a vlc plugin |
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| 03:47.55 | nathan__ | what's the repo for non free? |
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| 03:48.26 | keith4_ | !tell nathan__ about non-free |
| 03:49.05 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: you've installed php5 from testing or similar |
| 03:49.11 | civillian | nathan__: add the words contrib non-free to the end of the deb line which you use. should read 'deb http://xyz.com/debian [dist] main contrib non-free |
| 03:49.22 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: either downgrade php5-common to the version in stable, or install the testing version of php5-cli |
| 03:49.48 | keith4_ | dondelelcaro: crap, that doesn't seem possible. time to go smack around my co-admins |
| 03:49.49 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: you can do the former by doing something like aptitude install php5-cli php5-common=5.2.0-8+etch7; |
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| 03:50.29 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: though you'll likely find other packages (probably libapache2-php5) or similar which need to be downgraded as well; using the aptitude curses interface is the easy way to resolve all of those problems in a single shot |
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| 03:51.00 | keith4_ | dondelelcaro: downgrade seems to be working. thanks! |
| 03:51.06 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: np |
| 03:51.19 | nathan__ | thanks it's working |
| 03:51.38 | nathan__ | does konqueror have one? |
| 03:52.12 | nathan__ | damn 84.9mb for that plugin |
| 03:52.40 | nathan__ | funny when a plugin is bigger than the program |
| 03:52.51 | shogunx | would anyone mind to, from personal experience, recommend a scanner for sane gimping (pun and double meaning implicitly intended)? i need to scan some boards to get base images for gootee board layout. |
| 03:52.55 | keith4_ | nathan__ if you don't have java, it has to install that too |
| 03:53.21 | keith4_ | shogunx: anything scsi ;-) |
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| 03:53.39 | dondelelcaro | lots of usb scanners work well too, surprisingly |
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| 03:54.38 | keith4_ | yah, I haven't found a scanner that doesn't work with sane yet, actually |
| 03:54.43 | keith4_ | which surprised me |
| 03:54.55 | shogunx | keith4_, methinks if i have a scsi controller around here (where is that box of scsi controllers) other than mylex raid cards, we have a winner. |
| 03:55.29 | dondelelcaro | the 1220U IIRC |
| 03:55.32 | shogunx | the garage sale must have eaten my dollar for the only non sane supported scanner out there... |
| 03:56.06 | dondelelcaro | though personally I've lately been looking for a auto-feed scanner |
| 03:56.13 | dondelelcaro | (and a book scanner, but that's another problem) |
| 03:56.38 | dalias | the only scanner i'm interested in is a negative scanner |
| 03:56.43 | dalias | professional quality |
| 03:56.55 | dalias | that's the only thing that might get me back to film photography... |
| 03:57.29 | shogunx | dondelelcaro, my wife once wanted to mod a copier to do ocr and turn pages like the device the girl in "real genius" built, and call it the copylefter |
| 03:57.31 | dondelelcaro | heh; I pretty much only do B&W in film these days... but getting OT... ;-) |
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| 03:58.09 | dondelelcaro | shogunx: well, there are quite a few auto-page turning automated book scanners around |
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| 03:58.20 | dondelelcaro | I think the library on campus here even has one |
| 03:58.34 | dondelelcaro | (the problem is they don't necessarily scan the things that I want scanned) |
| 03:58.45 | shogunx | dondelelcaro, i can imagine there are such by now. i really must move out of this cave soon. |
| 03:58.50 | keith4_ | heh |
| 03:59.33 | cire | when booting, my nfs dirs (as in fstab) are not mounted - mount -a works perfectly after boot. Is this a known problem? |
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| 04:00.29 | dondelelcaro | shogunx: http://www.atiz.com/ FE |
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| 04:02.02 | dalias | dondelelcaro, wtf do you want to scan? manga? :P |
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| 04:03.25 | dondelelcaro | dalias: no, the crapload of technical books that I refer to often |
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| 04:03.51 | dondelelcaro | dalias: I like to be able to do work from anywhere on the planet, and carying around > 300 pounds of books doesn't work |
| 04:03.59 | dalias | yeah that sucks |
| 04:04.11 | dalias | if you want to do scanning by hand, screw the scanner and use a digital camera |
| 04:04.21 | dalias | you can scan books a ton faster that way |
| 04:04.33 | keith4_ | cut the spine off and use a document feeder |
| 04:04.37 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that's pretty much what they all use |
| 04:04.46 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: some of the books I want to scan aren't mine, unfortunatly |
| 04:05.01 | dalias | actualy |
| 04:05.08 | dalias | i wish they would make modern usb scanners that way |
| 04:05.18 | dalias | throw out the lame usb-scanner protocol |
| 04:05.37 | dalias | and instead save images inside the scanner's memory and provide a usb-mass-storage device to access them |
| 04:05.43 | dalias | it would be so much more convenient |
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| 04:05.52 | dondelelcaro | dalias: yeah, the problem is that up until recently the memory required to do that was expensive |
| 04:05.52 | dalias | cut out all the crappy scanner-control software |
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| 04:06.23 | dondelelcaro | since a 24 bit tiff at 1200dpi is massive |
| 04:08.08 | shogunx | thats a pretty cool device |
| 04:08.57 | nvz | dalias: how much would you be willing to pay for such a device? |
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| 04:13.30 | shogunx | dondelelcaro i concur with digitizing the manuals... i assembled my digital book collection on a box running apache locally some years ago, for access from the remainder of the lan. then the machine became connected permanently to the internet. i could read my books from wherever without a mobile device. i was overjoyed. then, it somehow got crawled. 40 million hits later... |
| 04:15.32 | mhall | shogunx: robots.txt? |
| 04:15.41 | mhall | shogunx: DMCA? |
| 04:16.01 | shogunx | mhall jurisdiction? |
| 04:16.25 | shogunx | and i did not know about robots.txt at the time. |
| 04:16.27 | dalias | nvz, it shouldn't reasonably cost any more than a normal scanner |
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| 04:17.09 | nvz | uh well it needs to have an embedded system that does the scanning |
| 04:17.19 | dalias | btw dondelelcaro afaik there is no scanner that does 1200 dpi |
| 04:17.25 | dalias | it's all bullshit upsampling |
| 04:17.33 | dalias | the highest real dpis are 600 or so |
| 04:18.00 | dalias | and saving as tiff it rather unnecessary |
| 04:18.09 | cire | I am searching for hours now... is it possible to mount nfs shares at boottime via fstab, or do I have to use autofs, or something like that? |
| 04:18.32 | dalias | it could easily save as png, or jpeg for non-lineart content |
| 04:18.39 | keith4_ | cire: it's possible |
| 04:18.49 | dalias | cire, yes, nfs shares can be in fstab |
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| 04:19.02 | mhall | shogunx: well i figured if that many hits got to it it might have made a mess |
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| 04:19.07 | keith4_ | should mount automatically, as long as you don't have 'noauto' in the options |
| 04:19.13 | mhall | shogunx: how much bandwidth got eaten before you could fix it |
| 04:19.49 | cire | Great to hear that it sould be possible. But it doesn't work. after boot, "mount -a" works fine with it. But when booting, it isn't mounted... |
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| 04:20.16 | mhall | cire: init script ordering problem perhaps |
| 04:20.27 | mhall | cire: what errors do you get when it does not mount |
| 04:20.47 | cire | no errors. dmesg | grep -i "nfs" reports nothing |
| 04:20.48 | mhall | cire: and in principle some diskless wkstns use nfs mounts to even boot up and run so this should really best be possible and function |
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| 04:21.03 | mhall | cire: hmm gnarly |
| 04:21.12 | cire | mhall: I have a diskless solution, using kernel parameters for root-nfs - this works great. |
| 04:21.19 | mhall | cire: i can't think why it would screw up for you |
| 04:21.38 | cire | but my home directory doesn't mount. |
| 04:21.47 | cire | I also think it's a rc.? thing |
| 04:21.56 | mhall | cire: maybe some of the stuff needed to do the nfs mount is not on the fses available at the time of the mount attempt |
| 04:22.13 | mhall | cire: i'd check to see if nfs is somehow launching too soon and if so would consider BTSing it |
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| 04:22.42 | mhall | cire: or it it's starting too late, say after the mount attempt was tried |
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| 04:22.57 | pcfascist | Hello, I am unable to ping another computer on my network by hostname. I can do it by ip but I would like not to use ip as it is dynamic and I'm trying to configure synergy. can someone point me to a doc that might help me out? thanks. |
| 04:23.13 | keith4_ | pcfascist: dns problem |
| 04:23.19 | cire | which script is mounting? In rc2.d I can't find the right one... |
| 04:23.22 | cire | is it done earlier |
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| 04:24.11 | mhall | cire: i thought there was a mountall script |
| 04:24.28 | mhall | pcfascist: couple of things you can do |
| 04:24.38 | mhall | pcfascist: use /etc/hosts file [man hosts] or dns |
| 04:24.58 | cire | found such a thing in rcS.d |
| 04:25.09 | cire | !tell cire rcS.d |
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| 04:25.48 | cire | in rcS.d, mountall is done before networking. may this be the problem? |
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| 04:26.19 | shogunx | mhall luckily, no mess. i never fixed it. this was 2000 when i turned it on. the box was a potato, iirc. anyway, the urls were already in the search guys' databases. so i added several gigabytes of content to it. much of it is public domain or specifically offered by the author for such distribution or responsible party anyway. it has eaten terabytes upon terabytes of bandwidth, and it still pretty well saturates its 2 megabit c |
| 04:26.19 | shogunx | ircuit most of the time. |
| 04:26.36 | Tommy | Hello, im booting lenny via a poor mans install (using hd media vmlinuz/initrd.gz) but it cannot find the iso file. Any ideas |
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| 04:28.20 | mhall | shogunx: that's intense... what kind of 2mbit line? |
| 04:28.44 | shogunx | async 2 up 10 down. |
| 04:28.46 | mhall | shogunx: i'd think most people would get cranky if you did that to their line all the time |
| 04:28.56 | mhall | shogunx: how do you deal with it messing up t3h intarweb? |
| 04:29.03 | mhall | shogunx: QoS? |
| 04:29.10 | shogunx | its got its own line. costs me $200/mo |
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| 04:29.29 | shogunx | dedicated bw |
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| 04:30.07 | shogunx | mhall i plugged it into a ds-3 at an ietf meeting once;) |
| 04:30.19 | mhall | shogunx: how did that turn out lol |
| 04:30.31 | mhall | shogunx: and... $200 a month to give other people stuff?!? |
| 04:30.40 | shogunx | mhall i got a bunch of job offers. |
| 04:30.53 | mhall | shogunx: sweet |
| 04:30.57 | mhall | shogunx: take any of them? |
| 04:30.59 | shogunx | met a bunch of cool people. |
| 04:31.08 | shogunx | nah, but made lots of friends. |
| 04:31.11 | mhall | shogunx: any geek chicks :-P |
| 04:31.30 | mhall | shogunx: sexist question i know, but i *have* to ask :-( |
| 04:32.20 | shogunx | there was a surprisingly wide array of different types and qualities of attractive female, by a wide range of definitions of that term. |
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| 04:32.36 | mhall | shogunx: sweet |
| 04:34.06 | simonrvn | shogunx: wow |
| 04:35.30 | cire | I changed the order of some scripts in rcS.d. Will they be reordered when there's an update for such a package? |
| 04:35.33 | shogunx | i did take a job in that city though ( i had hitchhiked in for the conference ) and wound up with the founders sister. we were building clusters then. we have a 3 year old girl now. |
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| 04:36.23 | robboplus | and i have a glass of beer. |
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| 04:38.29 | XviD | hi guys |
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| 04:43.51 | simonrvn | shogunx: aaaw :) |
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| 04:44.21 | arooni | anyone here using virtualbox? i have a winxp VM with a hard drive of 3GB. is there *anyway* to expand the size of this drive *without* completely reinstalling XP? |
| 04:44.32 | robboplus | no. |
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| 04:46.43 | TecnoVM64 | Hey, does anybody know how can I start all daemons that are started by default on boot? (I had to kill them all with the magic sysrq key) |
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| 04:47.28 | TecnoVM64 | I don't want to start them manually because I think it's a lot of work, if there's an easier way like switching to another runlevel, please let me know :< |
| 04:47.31 | keith4_ | telinit 5 |
| 04:47.47 | simonrvn | and what will that do? |
| 04:48.07 | simonrvn | what i do is init 1 then go to init 2 |
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| 04:48.25 | simonrvn | 5 isn't any different than 2 in debian |
| 04:49.01 | keith4_ | true |
| 04:49.07 | keith4_ | so it won't hurt then, will it? |
| 04:49.20 | simonrvn | no that's true |
| 04:49.36 | simonrvn | i go init 1 first to clean up |
| 04:49.42 | keith4_ | not a bad idea |
| 04:49.57 | topooceannes | Hey, I'm having a problem with my soundcard.. It keeps giving me errors everytime I try and play anything with Amarok, record anything from audacity and isn't giving me any output on my firefox. I can't find any open files in /dev/dsp.. Anyone have any clue on how to fix it? |
| 04:50.07 | TecnoVM64 | thanks simonrvn, that worked perfectly :) |
| 04:50.18 | wils0n__ | 'errors' ? |
| 04:50.26 | topooceannes | Uh, hang on |
| 04:50.42 | keith4_ | run alsaconf |
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| 04:51.38 | topooceannes | command not found |
| 04:52.06 | topooceannes | amarok says "Audio output unavailable: the device is busy." |
| 04:52.13 | topooceannes | and it said something similar for audacity |
| 04:52.38 | wils0n__ | it's possible that your device is open via alsa, and so lsof /dev/dsp doesn't show anything |
| 04:52.39 | keith4_ | install alsa-utils |
| 04:52.49 | wils0n__ | in that case, you'll probably have something open in /dev/snd |
| 04:52.58 | wils0n__ | keith4_ : what is useful in alsa-utils? |
| 04:53.02 | keith4_ | alsaconf |
| 04:53.06 | keith4_ | or is it alsa-tools? |
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| 04:54.47 | topooceannes | already had alsa-utils, and it still didn't find the command when I installed alsa-tools |
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| 04:55.33 | wils0n__ | its also possible you dont have permissions, try running as root |
| 04:55.39 | topooceannes | al |
| 04:55.42 | topooceannes | ah |
| 04:55.42 | topooceannes | yes |
| 04:56.02 | topooceannes | hmm |
| 04:56.07 | topooceannes | that completely killed my sound....? |
| 04:56.13 | topooceannes | oh |
| 04:56.19 | topooceannes | alright. It's still running |
| 04:56.21 | topooceannes | no wonder |
| 04:56.22 | topooceannes | lol |
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| 04:56.50 | ameyer | where's dpkg's autokick wheen you need it |
| 04:56.50 | n3kl_ | Can someone help me with x2x. I don't understand how it works and there is little documentation that I can find. |
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| 04:58.40 | civillian | hey, on sound, it works (i can hear system logon sounds etc) but totem and flash player dont have sound...? any ideas? |
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| 05:04.11 | civillian | open question on sound: on Debian/testing on a laptop, sound was auto detected and works for annoying things like menu commands, but doesn't work in totem or, say flash on youtube.com... ? PLZ help! |
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| 05:06.34 | somian | .oO("PLZ"? "Public Lewdness Zone"? ... "Parabolically Lauched Zombies"? ...) |
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| 05:10.13 | frutax | I'm trying to install ffmpeg with mp3 support, per a howtoforge howto, and I have only one unmet dependency: libgsml-dev. Google gives me nothing, package seach gives me nothing. any ideas? |
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| 05:12.35 | Haris | Hello people |
| 05:12.41 | Haris | exim's config contains macros |
| 05:12.46 | Haris | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config doesn't remove them |
| 05:12.58 | Haris | Can I get a clean file WITHOUT macros ? |
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| 05:14.29 | barryg12 | should i install debian etch or lenny? i would like to contribute to the development of the distro |
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| 05:15.21 | robrym18 | Anyone know how to get the Nvidia legacy drivers working? I've been having a helluva time cos it can't find the package "nvidia-glx" |
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| 05:16.11 | dagbrown | Alright, if someone has a list of the packages I need to install to definitely make amarok play M4A files, that would be just lovely. |
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| 05:23.09 | dagbrown | Maybe I should take the "trolling" approach to asking that question. |
| 05:24.31 | robrym18 | Anyone? No one knows how to get these legacy drivers to work? |
| 05:24.57 | dagbrown | robrym18: I always just install 'em by hand using the regular nVidia installer. |
| 05:25.28 | robrym18 | I tried that but it failed after building the Kernel |
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| 05:26.00 | Haris | Looks like most are asleep |
| 05:26.11 | dagbrown | robrum18: *after* building the kernel module or *during* building the kernel module? |
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| 05:26.41 | robrym18 | after I believe |
| 05:26.56 | dagbrown | And how does it fail? |
| 05:27.36 | Wettoad | i need to get debian to reconfigure my custom xorg.conf, can anyone help with this? |
| 05:28.05 | dagbrown | Wettoad: dpkg-reconfigure xorg? |
| 05:28.15 | dagbrown | That'll probably rewrite you a brand new one though. |
| 05:28.18 | robrym18 | Hang on. I'll try running it again... |
| 05:28.20 | Wettoad | it won't with a custom xorg.conf |
| 05:28.28 | Wettoad | there is an md5sum somewhere maybe |
| 05:28.56 | dagbrown | Wettoad: I don't think there's anything that'll help you once you've started meddling with the file by hand. Why do you want to do this? |
| 05:29.14 | Wettoad | dagbrown: no there is I've done it before, but forgot |
| 05:29.38 | Wettoad | i ahve upgrade to 7.3 xorg and it is slow as hell at resizing/showing windows |
| 05:29.41 | Wettoad | not useable |
| 05:29.49 | Wettoad | i want to reset the configuration to a sane debian one |
| 05:30.12 | dagbrown | Wettoad: Copy your config aside and do the dpkg-reconfigure dance? |
| 05:30.19 | Wettoad | nope doesn't work |
| 05:30.39 | dagbrown | Move the config aside and do X -configure? |
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| 05:32.18 | robrym18 | dagbrown: When I tried it again it worked.. Odd. Before when I tried it it wouldn't get past building the Kernel-Module. Might have something to do with some of the steps in the "debian method" of installing it perhaps. Thanks! |
| 05:32.39 | dagbrown | It's the "do it while someone's watching" approach to solving the problem |
| 05:32.52 | cahoot | Wettoad: this is fro an original xorg.conf: cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.custom md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf >/var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:32.55 | dagbrown | "Here, I'll show you what happened when I tried it." Thing works |
| 05:33.15 | Wettoad | cahoot: tried that |
| 05:33.19 | Wettoad | didn't work |
| 05:33.28 | cahoot | ok |
| 05:33.36 | Wettoad | thanks though |
| 05:33.40 | robrym18 | Bhahaha |
| 05:33.48 | robrym18 | yeah, oh well |
| 05:33.55 | robrym18 | it works now, that's all that matters I guess |
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| 05:37.35 | SeanConnery | hi, has anyone an idea on how to install debian remotely? I have no monitors but I have a tower and want to install debian on it :-D |
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| 05:40.58 | kgoetz | SeanConnery: netboot? |
| 05:41.08 | SeanConnery | kgoetz, I'll check it out |
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| 06:01.17 | kgoetz | :o |
| 06:01.49 | cycom | from slip-ons to laces? |
| 06:02.11 | kgoetz | from 'almost no sole' to 'with sole' |
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| 06:02.33 | _n3x | ?? sex |
| 06:02.39 | cycom | I understand that you want to improve performance, but given the recent theft, I'd spend the $$ on security. |
| 06:02.46 | _n3x | !sex |
| 06:02.46 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 06:03.23 | cycom | I'm going to sleep. later! |
| 06:03.24 | kgoetz | cycom: true, but i figure the odds of it happening again are fairly small |
| 06:03.26 | kgoetz | later |
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| 06:05.20 | xlotlu | nice what asus did: http://www.splashtop.com/ |
| 06:05.30 | Haris | !sarge->etch |
| 06:05.30 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 06:07.18 | joe__ | !debian |
| 06:07.18 | dpkg | hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 06:09.52 | simonrvn | !kernel |
| 06:09.54 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.23, 2.4: 2.4.35.3, prepatch: 2.4.36-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.23-rc8-mm2 |
| 06:09.59 | simonrvn | oh |
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| 06:11.05 | thirst | hi guys |
| 06:11.07 | thirst | i am running php 4.4.4-3 on debian system. I changed the value of upload_max_filesize in /etc/php4/apache/php.ini but my apache still reflects the default value of 2M. Any way of checking/fixing this. |
| 06:11.29 | dondelelcaro | thirst: and you've restarted apache after changing it? |
| 06:11.37 | simonrvn | you need to restart the daemon |
| 06:11.39 | thirst | dondelelcaro: yes.. several times.. :) |
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| 06:11.55 | simonrvn | you sure it's for apache, and not apache2? |
| 06:12.27 | barryg12 | has anyone noticed that when thay comple the same package using a different verison of gcc the same package is larger for higher versions than for lower? |
| 06:12.29 | thirst | i am using <?php phpinfo(); ?> to display the value of the variable in my folder.. and it is shown as 2M |
| 06:12.52 | rmaj | any plans to patch the stupid 300 keys repeat of a key in xorg... it makes work quite impossible |
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| 06:13.50 | simonrvn | abacus |
| 06:14.11 | rmaj | simonrvn: why yes, thank you |
| 06:14.15 | enouf | man kbdrate |
| 06:14.23 | thirst | simonrvn: i had also changed the value in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini .. as those were the only two php.ini i found in /etc |
| 06:14.48 | rmaj | enouf: my keyboard rate is ok; the random (1 per ~1000 keystrokes) repeating (300 times!) of key is not |
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| 06:15.31 | enouf | nice |
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| 06:20.26 | ma3x | my laptop is heating up when and shutting down when i encode my camera movie. what should i do? |
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| 06:22.35 | wils0n__ | ma3x: turn on a fan |
| 06:22.47 | ma3x | all fans are working already |
| 06:22.54 | kgoetz | stop encoding |
| 06:23.14 | ma3x | well that's ridicilous - i have 2,2 athlon and i can't use it as i like |
| 06:23.16 | wils0n__ | you could hack together a kernel module to turn down the CPU frequency, but it'd slow the whole thing down and be prone to error |
| 06:23.40 | ma3x | yeah i know i can scale it down, i did to 2,0 it shutdown again |
| 06:23.47 | ma3x | i guess i should put it now on 1,2 |
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| 06:23.56 | ma3x | what a piece of crap, i never had this before with intel |
| 06:24.16 | kgoetz | i think you'll find its laptop design, not cpu |
| 06:24.37 | ma3x | i like the design |
| 06:24.42 | ma3x | it's fujitsu siemens |
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| 06:25.08 | kgoetz | i dont like the brand, thats really all i can say |
| 06:25.21 | ma3x | me neither |
| 06:25.22 | h4ngedm4n | so in the distro documentation it says minimum RAM is 48MB. I'm trying debian edgy on a 64 MB RAM VPS and running into memory exhausted errors generating locales. is there an alternate way of getting my locale set up? |
| 06:25.26 | evilgeek | why do you like the design if it can't cool the CPU adequately? |
| 06:25.42 | ma3x | and there is another thing, problems with the lcd's backlight, it keeps changing frequency sometimes |
| 06:25.56 | kgoetz | h4ngedm4n: 'etch' perhaps? |
| 06:26.12 | kgoetz | h4ngedm4n: and where does it say that? it should be more for etch iirc |
| 06:26.17 | kgoetz | ~64 |
| 06:26.18 | ma3x | evilgeek, i like the nice looks so to say, it looks like a samsung |
| 06:26.27 | h4ngedm4n | yeah etch. sorry >< http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en |
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| 06:26.38 | h4ngedm4n | i wonder where i got edgy from? maybe thats a ubuntu release |
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| 06:26.47 | kgoetz | h4ngedm4n: yes it is |
| 06:27.01 | barryg12 | h4 yes edgy is an ubuntu release! |
| 06:27.26 | kgoetz | h4ngedm4n: are you trying to install a desktop or a minimal system? |
| 06:27.51 | h4ngedm4n | its a minimal system, going to put LAMP on after following some instructions on basic setup |
| 06:28.07 | h4ngedm4n | i got through the ssh securing and iptables setup fine, but trying to do away with some locale errors |
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| 06:29.03 | h4ngedm4n | last thing i ran was "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" and picked all locales |
| 06:29.16 | RvGaTe^work | morning |
| 06:30.10 | kgoetz | h4ngedm4n: you installed all hte locales? |
| 06:30.11 | kgoetz | o_0 |
| 06:30.23 | h4ngedm4n | lol i tried en_US.UTF-8 first but it didnt work |
| 06:30.27 | h4ngedm4n | so i figured install em all |
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| 06:30.40 | h4ngedm4n | only they didnt install due to memory exhaustion |
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| 06:31.37 | h4ngedm4n | seems weird to have to set up locales. is the base image of etch provided by the vps buggy to begin with perhaps? |
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| 06:32.14 | Yabber | hey all, I am having a bit of a brain wobble, if I convert octets to k by multiplying by eight what do I multiply by to show KBps? |
| 06:32.44 | kgoetz | :q |
| 06:32.49 | dagbrown | I think you got confused at "convert octets to k by multiplying by 8" |
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| 06:35.08 | Yabber | hmm.... |
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| 06:36.27 | Yabber | dagbrown, this is the problem I am having, lets say on a 512k adsl connection, at full speed the octets x 8 = 512k, but in the graphs I want it to reflect more accurately as 51.2KBps |
| 06:37.35 | Yabber | what do I need to do to display in this format, I change the Kps and the multiplier? |
| 06:38.07 | dagbrown | Okay, first of all |
| 06:38.14 | dagbrown | 1k = 1024 octets |
| 06:38.27 | dagbrown | So you don't multiply any octets to get any kilobytes |
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| 06:39.04 | dagbrown | If you have 512 kbit/s, that works out to 64KB/s |
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| 06:40.46 | xlotlu | any idea why playing dvds might be totally garbled? |
| 06:41.33 | Yabber | my question is, if I am pulling "ifinoctets" from a cisco router, and I want it to display as correctly as KBps in the graphs, what do i set the item "unit" and "multiplier" to? |
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| 06:41.38 | Yabber | thanks for the help BTW |
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| 06:42.08 | dagbrown | Yabber: As far as you're concerned, 1 octet = 1 byte, so you're already there. |
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| 06:42.22 | AnAnt | I am an arabic user, how can I change the virtual console direction to be right-to-left and to join letters ? |
| 06:42.23 | dagbrown | To go from bytes to kilobytes, divide by 1024. |
| 06:42.33 | dagbrown | Or possibly 1000 if you want to make it look better. |
| 06:42.46 | dagbrown | AnAnt: The *console*? |
| 06:42.53 | Yabber | dagbrown, I want it be as accurately reflected as possible.... |
| 06:42.54 | AnAnt | dagbrown: yeah |
| 06:43.03 | AnAnt | dagbrown: tty[1-6] |
| 06:43.21 | xlotlu | ok, make that: any idea why playing any kind of video might be totally garbled in any application? |
| 06:43.29 | Yabber | dagbrown, so you are saying in my case, I just change the items unit=Bps and don't touch the multiplier? |
| 06:43.52 | dagbrown | Yabber: If you want it to be as accurately represented as possible, you should get your definitions straight first :) |
| 06:44.12 | dagbrown | AnAnt: Okay, for starters: you're using frame buffer consoles, I hope. |
| 06:44.50 | AnAnt | dagbrown: yup |
| 06:45.05 | AnAnt | dagbrown: I configured console-setup to display arabic letters too |
| 06:45.23 | dagbrown | AnAnt: I think the program you want to install, then, is "bicon". |
| 06:45.51 | AnAnt | dagbrown: ah, I tried that some while ago |
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| 06:45.59 | AnAnt | dagbrown: it was terrible |
| 06:46.02 | AnAnt | dagbrown: I've been using acon for years |
| 06:46.05 | alekz | How can I change the colours of aterm? |
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| 06:46.10 | AnAnt | dagbrown: but it fails with utf8 console |
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| 06:46.37 | dagbrown | AnAnt: That kind of surprises me. |
| 06:46.52 | AnAnt | dagbrown: huh ? |
| 06:46.58 | antazy | hi. where i can find config file for keybord layout? (to change layout i try ctr+shift, shift-alt etc - doesn't work) |
| 06:47.02 | dagbrown | That it fails with utf8 console |
| 06:47.19 | dagbrown | acon is about a thousand years old, though |
| 06:47.31 | AnAnt | dagbrown: I made a debian package for it |
| 06:47.47 | dagbrown | AnAnt: For acon? |
| 06:47.52 | AnAnt | dagbrown: but I'm not able to fix it anymore |
| 06:47.54 | AnAnt | dagbrown: yup |
| 06:48.03 | dagbrown | AnAnt: Is that the official package? |
| 06:48.07 | AnAnt | dagbrown: yeah |
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| 06:48.38 | enouf | !keymap |
| 06:48.38 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 06:48.56 | jbm | yay new radiohead :D |
| 06:49.03 | enouf | free too |
| 06:49.04 | dagbrown | Shame it's 3am in Ontario, I could ask an Egyptian Linux guy I know there how to do it. |
| 06:49.15 | jbm | just got it.. listening. |
| 06:49.19 | enouf | xlotlu: bad -vo option? |
| 06:49.25 | dagbrown | jbm: How bizarre is it? |
| 06:49.43 | jbm | dagbrown: er.. not that bizarre. it's rather conventional for a radiohead release actually, so far. imo |
| 06:49.53 | AnAnt | enouf: hmm, that may help in acon problem |
| 06:50.00 | jbm | dagbrown: have you heard? |
| 06:50.09 | dagbrown | jbm: "Kid A" conventional or "OK Computer" conventional? |
| 06:50.18 | enouf | hrmm .. 2 birds, one stone? ;-) |
| 06:50.31 | jbm | ehhhhh... well, it doesn't have the dynamics of ok computer, it's a lot more .. even, more conventional song structures i guess is what i mean |
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| 06:50.47 | AnAnt | dagbrown: also acon breaks some things |
| 06:50.51 | jbm | so far it reminds me most of amnesiac |
| 06:51.09 | AnAnt | dagbrown: like the frames in aptitude for example, they look different when I use acon |
| 06:51.38 | dagbrown | jbm: Verses? Choruses?! |
| 06:51.45 | jbm | yeah. exactly. |
| 06:51.52 | dagbrown | AnAnt: Hrm, what happens if you run it via luit? |
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| 06:52.02 | AnAnt | dagbrown: what's luit ? |
| 06:52.19 | dagbrown | AnAnt: It's a utf8-to-whatever-charset proxy program. |
| 06:52.31 | xlotlu | enouf: bad -vo option all of a sudden for all players? |
| 06:52.40 | enyawix | good gtk based samba gui brouser? |
| 06:53.09 | AnAnt | dagbrown: yuck, the console became yellow ! |
| 06:53.17 | h4ngedm4n | do ppl here still use sarge? just out of curiousity |
| 06:53.24 | sep | h4ngedm4n, ofcourse |
| 06:53.37 | enouf | xlotlu: wrong codec? bad video driver? shall i put on my psycich helmet? |
| 06:53.52 | AnAnt | dagbrown: how do I use it ? |
| 06:53.59 | h4ngedm4n | ah okay i didnt want to feel silly trying it out instead of etch |
| 06:54.23 | dagbrown | AnAnt: You set LANG to Arabic with your favorite Arabic character set and run "luit", and it'll convert for you. |
| 06:54.44 | RvGaTe^work | h4ngedm4n, think about people that developped custom made software on sarge... and cba to upgrade or wont do it to make sure the software keeps working... thats one scenario.. |
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| 06:54.50 | dagbrown | It's actually a legacy-application support program |
| 06:55.05 | h4ngedm4n | arabic eh? ahlan!\ |
| 06:55.14 | enouf | h4ngedm4n: just note; it's "oldstable", etch is stable |
| 06:55.15 | xlotlu | enouf: yeah, psychic would be good :) or someone who got this before... it's not bad video driver, neither bad codec since it's for any type of video. must be some library or something i did |
| 06:55.40 | enouf | xlotlu: could be, bad upgrade maybe |
| 06:57.09 | AnAnt | dagbrown: it just made the console yellow |
| 06:57.25 | AnAnt | dagbrown: besides, I can see arabic letters already, I just want them joined & RTL |
| 06:57.40 | spam1 | hi everybody,i want to do local network installation in debian ? without downloading any files from the official debian repository in any steps during installation times? |
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| 07:01.01 | dagbrown | AnAnt: Oh, hrm |
| 07:01.21 | AnAnt | dagbrown: with acon, the problem is keymap |
| 07:01.39 | dagbrown | AnAnt: A quick googling reveals a program called Akka, which I'm sure you're already aware of. |
| 07:02.05 | AnAnt | dagbrown: acon used keysequences like CTRL+ALT+TAB or CTRL+ALT+O , the keymap of those keys seem to be different under UTF8 console |
| 07:02.10 | AnAnt | dagbrown: yeah, akka doesn't compile |
| 07:02.56 | dagbrown | What do you mean, "doesn't compile"? Syntax errors in the code? Strange dependencies? |
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| 07:03.23 | dagbrown | AnAnt: Also: bicon? |
| 07:03.51 | AnAnt | dagbrown: syntax errors in code |
| 07:03.55 | AnAnt | dagbrown: bicon compiles |
| 07:03.59 | AnAnt | dagbrown: I'll try it again |
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| 07:39.30 | stiv2k | hi how can i configure the keyboard shortcuts for suspend/hibernate with Kpowersave? |
| 07:39.54 | ldrada | Debian has problems with timekeeping on PowerEdges? |
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| 07:46.23 | daos | does anyone know how to fix this Samba error running on Debian Lenny (testing): string_to_sid: Sid S-0-0 is not in a valid format |
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| 07:48.44 | aspWork | hi guys, i am having some problems with my xscreensaver integration with gnome-screensaver under lenny. I used this guide, http://philcrissman.com/2006/07/25/howto-add-your-xscreensavers-to-gnome-screensaver/ , and it worked when i was running etch, but since i updated to lenny it just doesn't. I have verified that the files are there, the binary as well as the .desktop files, and yet when i open the gnome-screensaver config all i get are the default one |
| 07:48.44 | aspWork | s. anybody know what might be wrong? |
| 07:50.09 | aspWork | or is this more of a #gnome question? |
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| 07:54.36 | daos | does anyone know how to fix this Samba error running on Debian Lenny (testing): string_to_sid: Sid S-0-0 is not in a valid format |
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| 07:56.15 | chris00_297247 | see my naked ex on www.nackte-ex.de.gg <my revange! |
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| 07:57.25 | awk | what tool can I use to make a image of my drive to be able to boot off a new box and it has the entire imge? |
| 07:57.28 | cast|lir | doh, can't /ver because i'm not registered |
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| 07:58.28 | cast|lir | awk: dd? |
| 07:58.56 | cast|lir | depends if your new box is quite like the old one |
| 07:59.06 | awk | same hardware |
| 07:59.19 | cast|lir | ahh, then dd will do fine AFAIK |
| 07:59.40 | awk | dd wont create an iso |
| 07:59.49 | awk | I need some iso of /dev/ccis/* |
| 07:59.56 | awk | so that the next drive gets partioned, etc |
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| 08:01.31 | cast|lir | of course it won't create an iso, unless you're using iso 9660 as your fs which would be rather bizzare |
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| 08:02.40 | cast|lir | this is how i understand it: you have two identical computers - one is already setup with debian etc....you want to replicate that on the new one, dd will do that fine |
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| 08:03.05 | daos | or just use ghost |
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| 08:03.11 | cast|lir | fuck ghost. |
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| 08:03.26 | aspWork | ok, so the saverfiles moved, found the right dir |
| 08:03.42 | daos | whatever, its simple and it works |
| 08:03.45 | popt | who have upgraded postgresql to 8.3 on debian? |
| 08:03.50 | cast|lir | !ghost |
| 08:04.02 | popt | is there a package available for etch 4 stable? |
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| 08:04.45 | popt | no |
| 08:04.52 | popt | seems |
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| 08:08.59 | awk | cast|lir I dont want to have to install the base |
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| 08:09.05 | awk | i want the iso to copy the entire mirror |
| 08:09.50 | cast|lir | i've told you how, i don't much care now |
| 08:09.58 | kgoetz | mirror? |
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| 08:19.00 | coldsteal | hello |
| 08:19.36 | coldsteal | hello |
| 08:19.40 | coldsteal | oops |
| 08:19.41 | coldsteal | lol |
| 08:19.54 | coldsteal | anyways |
| 08:20.04 | coldsteal | i added a line to my /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 08:20.13 | coldsteal | how do i restart inetd |
| 08:20.26 | cast|lir | /etc/init.d/service restart |
| 08:20.30 | coldsteal | i dont have /etc/init.d/inetd |
| 08:20.32 | coldsteal | o okay |
| 08:20.36 | cast|lir | where service is inetd, possibly called openbsd-inetd |
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| 08:21.51 | wsdo_okadr | if a job is put in cron when is the first time that the job is run ? |
| 08:22.00 | sadmin | ho i enable a script to run on init 3 on sstartup |
| 08:22.03 | sadmin | in debian |
| 08:23.32 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:23.40 | cast|lir | wsdo_okadr: depends what you defined in crontab |
| 08:24.06 | wsdo_okadr | cast|lir: it doesn't depend,and my question was clear enoug,now I'm going to read docs |
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| 08:24.18 | daos | does anyone know how to fix this Samba error running on Debian Lenny (testing): string_to_sid: Sid S-0-0 is not in a valid format |
| 08:25.32 | cast|lir | wsdo_okadr: if you're telling me what time a cron job runs is not defined by a crontab then, ok, read docs :) |
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| 08:33.05 | daos | can anyone suggest where I might get an answer to samba questions, and I am already in #samba |
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| 08:33.58 | alex__ | daos, #samba |
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| 08:34.13 | cast|lir | could try asking on irc.debian.org |
| 08:34.32 | wsdo_okadr | cast|lir: re-read my initial questions,you are in total error |
| 08:34.37 | daos | ain't I already there???? |
| 08:35.11 | wsdo_okadr | cast|lir: I asked specifically of "the *FIRST* time" it is run. |
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| 08:35.17 | cast|lir | wsdo_okadr: you define a job to run at midnight, it will run next time midnight occurs. simple eh? |
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| 08:37.45 | jelly-home | wsdo_okadr: if you define a job to be run the following minute, it won't happen, debian's cron only rereads the file(s) first time. so if it's eg. 10:37:15 now, and you create a job to run at '38 10 * * *', it won't run today |
| 08:38.08 | ErZo | How come debian somehow is able to screw up running Swing programs? It's just unpacking stuff from a .zip from Sun T _T |
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| 08:39.17 | jelly-home | wsdo_okadr: restart cron if you want to be sure of its running. I don't know the exact details why is this so. |
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| 08:42.37 | jelly-home | ErZo: it would be nicer if you provided hard data on your problem |
| 08:42.39 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 08:42.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 08:43.35 | jelly-home | sadmin: using update-rc.d. Note that Debian's default runlevel is 2 |
| 08:44.00 | cast|lir | so debians cron is buggy then? manpage states simply enough 'cron then wakes up every minute, examining all stored crontabs, checking each command to see if it should be run in the current minute.' |
| 08:45.08 | wsdo_okadr | jelly-home , cast|lir NO ,i defined a job as to how long between runs it takes. so when is the first time it runs ? |
| 08:45.43 | jelly-home | wsdo_okadr: what? paste your cron line |
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| 08:46.42 | jelly-home | cast|lir: afaict, a new entry is only examined the first time it's found and not run that very same minute |
| 08:46.43 | sadmin | jelly-home |
| 08:47.08 | zimnyx | What is the URL of repo that holds all version of packages? I was using it while ago and can't recall the domain. |
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| 08:47.13 | smhar | hello, |
| 08:47.15 | sadmin | i have a file zabbix in /etc/init.d i want it in runlevel 3 n 5 |
| 08:47.16 | cast|lir | jelly-home: editing my users crontab at 16:14:30 to run at 15 * * * * ran fine at the right time, so it seems to work as documented - least it seems |
| 08:47.39 | smhar | how can I make headphone work in my notebook in lenny? |
| 08:48.02 | tomacco | plug them in? |
| 08:48.03 | smhar | I was expecting that plugging it in the port is enough |
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| 08:48.14 | smhar | but it did not work |
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| 08:48.21 | zimnyx | smhar: try adjusting sound |
| 08:48.25 | jelly-home | sadmin: Read the docs to update-rc.d. |
| 08:48.55 | cast|lir | jelly-home: but yeah, clearly writing in an entry to run at 14 * * * * at 16:14:30 wouldn't work as the time 16:14:00 has just been missed |
| 08:49.24 | jelly-home | cast|lir: No, I meant what you did first. Dunno, it might be only the case with * * * * * or it might have been fixed since |
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| 08:49.26 | smhar | zimnyx, there is no setting for the headphone! |
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| 08:51.03 | zimnyx | smhar: so maybe it's the driver issue |
| 08:51.15 | cast|lir | jelly-home: ahh, will keep in mind to watch out for weirdness next time i'm setting up cron anyway :) |
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| 08:51.51 | smhar | zimnyx, sound is ok through the builtin speakers, but alsaconf gives several errors |
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| 08:53.00 | smhar | zimnyx, so this means I have a new notebook with problems in vga, wifi and now sound... great! |
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| 08:55.20 | sadmin | update-rc.d zabbix_agentd start 35 |
| 08:55.23 | sadmin | it gives error |
| 08:55.25 | sadmin | why |
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| 08:57.09 | cast|lir | you know what really helps, is when people tell you the error |
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| 08:59.32 | smhar | cast|lir, I know, I was just furious |
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| 09:00.47 | smhar | this is the error from alsaconf: Loading driver... |
| 09:00.47 | smhar | WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist line 63: ignoring bad line starting with 'ath_pci' |
| 09:01.41 | smhar | actually the error is repeated several time for line 63, 64 and 65 |
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| 09:03.24 | ErZo | jelly-home: Well, I've installed java5-sun-jdk or whatever you people name stuff, sure, it works. since it's Sun's .zip.. just that dpkg or apt or whatever doesn't set everything up.. It's pretty weird that I can't start GUI applications... Dontcha think? It's the same stuff.. |
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| 09:04.55 | jelly-home | ErZo: java -jar /home/jelly/.xnap/jars/xnap.jar works for me. |
| 09:05.02 | stew | ErZo: why can't you start gui applications? |
| 09:05.07 | stew | ErZo: what isn't set up? |
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| 09:06.29 | jelly-home | ErZo: is your app a .jar? webstart? Webstart was broken a while ago, dunno if they fixed it |
| 09:07.13 | ErZo | It's just swing. I'm coding an app.. It's not webstart, it's not in a jar |
| 09:07.46 | ErZo | stew: I do not know. Usually everything works fine everywhere else. It's just at debian theese nice things have occoured, ever for me. |
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| 09:08.40 | alex__ | hi there im wondering if theres any good guides on the intarweb for jailing ssh users into their home direcotories only so they cant go snooping around other directories, and also not able to run any programs that would potentially comprimise the system etc...... clues? |
| 09:09.51 | petemc | dont give them an account, is one very effective method |
| 09:10.03 | stew | ErZo: we can't help you unless you are more specific about what problems you are having |
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| 09:10.12 | simmerz|work | how would I go about setting up proftpd to only allow a specific user to log in? |
| 09:10.18 | ErZo | stew: That IS the problem. I can't be more specific, I'm *really* trying here. |
| 09:10.19 | stew | ErZo: do you get an error when you try to start an application? how are you trying to start it? |
| 09:10.47 | ErZo | stew: "java Application" & No, no errors, no nothing. It works sometimes, draws my gui.. then it just hangs |
| 09:10.57 | ErZo | but most often, it doesn't even draw the gui |
| 09:10.57 | alex__ | petemc, not and option... obivously, thanks tho |
| 09:11.13 | stew | ErZo: what does "readlink -f $(which java)" return? |
| 09:12.04 | ErZo | stew: I'm not sure, since I can't develop under debian, I'm on Windos right now. |
| 09:12.31 | petemc | alex__: you might look at rbash |
| 09:12.46 | stew | ErZo: so reboot into debian |
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| 09:13.18 | ErZo | stew: Well, It'll most likely say 1.5.0 or something, since I pulled in java5-jdk |
| 09:13.51 | stew | ErZo: which does it actually say? also check "readlink -f $(which javac)" |
| 09:14.20 | stew | ErZo: if you currently have the gij/gcj alternative selected (which is the default), it would explain your problems |
| 09:14.27 | ErZo | Well, as in I can compile anything, and console output works |
| 09:14.27 | ErZo | oh |
| 09:14.34 | ErZo | well F me, that's most likely it |
| 09:15.06 | ErZo | How do I change jdk then? Since all documentation I can find is dated 2001... and discusses java 1.2.. |
| 09:15.29 | stew | ErZo: update-alternatives --config java ; update-alternatives --config javac |
| 09:15.29 | jelly-home | stew: hm, that's a PITA, if I had sun-java5-jdk installed I'd most certainly want it to become default by default. ;-) |
| 09:16.44 | ErZo | stew: thanks mate. noted, I'll try that as soon as I reboot. |
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| 09:17.10 | ErZo | No wonder Swing apps wouldn't work, if it'd tried to use silly gjc |
| 09:17.13 | alex__ | petemc, thanks, exaclty what i was looking foir |
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| 09:18.26 | stew | jelly-home: actually it looks like, for me sun goes in at 53 and gij at 42 |
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| 09:20.11 | jelly-home | stew: ah: /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java - priority 1042 |
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| 09:20.53 | jelly-home | I'd swear I didn't manually choose gcj, but... |
| 09:22.58 | jelly-home | looks like some weird leftover |
| 09:24.00 | jelly-home | /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java is basically a symlink to /usr/bin/gij-4.2, and it's also in the game (with number 42) |
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| 09:25.57 | supplyanddemand | Okay this might be a strange question. I've read (somehwhere...) that general wirelss encryption might not be necessary and instead you could tunnel your traffic. Does anyone have an idea what I am talking about and is it possible? |
| 09:26.25 | stew | supplyanddemand: yes, that is what I do at home, using openvpn |
| 09:26.27 | cast|lir | personally i'd use openvpn instead of WEPX |
| 09:26.33 | boss | hi all, i am tring to install debian on some machines using netinstall methodology.but i want to download all of the installation files from my local repository what i am keeing in my local server.Well, at the choose-mirror stage it fails when i'm giving the path to my local repo.It is shows Valid Release file missing error.I am keeping my repo. exactly the same way what debian keeps.And i can install pkgs from there using apt-get or anything else.But i have |
| 09:26.34 | boss | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.53 | ErZo | stew: there's no "javac" to configure. |
| 09:28.13 | ErZo | stew: I changed 'java' ie. the jre to *real* java. instead of gcj |
| 09:28.31 | supplyanddemand | stew: 1: I'll have a look 2: How is it possible for you to be here 24/7? No work or is this your work? ;) |
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| 09:29.04 | stew | ErZo: what is the output you get when running "update-alternatives --config javac" ? put the output into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 09:29.50 | stew | supplyanddemand: i'm on here 24/7 becuase screen keeps me on. i work from home, so i'm almost always at work, and I have insomnia |
| 09:30.09 | cast|lir | what do you work as stew? |
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| 09:30.29 | stew | cast|lir: i do contract programming and system administration |
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| 09:31.04 | cast|lir | cool :) |
| 09:31.04 | supplyanddemand | Well thanks for your help Stew. As always. |
| 09:31.22 | ErZo | stew: oh, it tells me there's only one jdk around :) so that should work |
| 09:31.30 | ErZo | stew: I'm gonna try starting the guiapp now. |
| 09:33.02 | ErZo | stew: It works \o/ |
| 09:34.39 | stew | complaints about free software get redirected to the "how can i help improve this" department |
| 09:36.13 | stew | ErZo: which in your case is: please run 'reportbug gcj-4.1' and report the trouble you were having running swing applications |
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| 09:38.17 | [1]rati | Hey I have solved that problem of certificate. but When I try to verify certificate than I got error error 20 at 0 depth lookup:unable to get local issuer certificate |
| 09:39.10 | ErZo | stew: Not really, I'm comfortable running Sun products. I did not wish to run the terrible substitute in the first place :-) |
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| 09:40.17 | ErZo | I even had to add the I'm-not-a-hippy repo to get it in the first place |
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| 09:42.29 | ErZo | Well, thanks stew, for helping me out. I appreciate it. Cheers |
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| 09:45.27 | ringo999 | im wondering what would be a good uml diagramm to show file/information flow within a system taking into account aspects of the hardware (like servertype etc) |
| 09:45.46 | ringo999 | does anyone know a good channel about UML? |
| 09:46.20 | petemc | morbo:/home/pete# w |
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| 09:48.46 | [1]rati | stew, for pkcs12 format certificate which extension is valid. because in one command it shows .pfx and other shows .p12 |
| 09:48.59 | stew | [1]rati: any extension is valid |
| 09:49.10 | [1]rati | both will be fine? |
| 09:49.14 | stew | [1]rati: in general, unix doesn't care about extensions |
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| 09:50.02 | [1]rati | ok but for windows any idea? |
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| 10:07.09 | follia | Hi, why does Debian say it sees 3370588 only while I have 4GB of memory |
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| 10:11.01 | dc2447 | I'm root - I have an nfs share mounted - however df -k or mount or cat /etc/mtab don't show it mounted - however if I cd into it an run lsof it shows it as a mounted nfs filesystem - I can also write and read the correct remote contents? |
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| 10:16.58 | hatter | I am on a server that uses qmail, however a recent updadte is having an error with exim, how do i stop apt from trying to process exim ? |
| 10:17.25 | Guerin | hatter: uninstall qmail and use exim |
| 10:17.32 | Guerin | it's the only just and righteous thing to do |
| 10:17.43 | CaT[tm] | for the love of god, uninstall qmail |
| 10:18.01 | CaT[tm] | whilst you still exhibit at least the tiniest semblance of sanity. |
| 10:18.29 | hatter | Guerin, i'm with you, but i have not spent any time yet with exim and would rather fix this simply right now :) |
| 10:18.39 | stew | hatter: you need to have a package which provides the virtual package 'mail-transport-agent' installed, /msg dpkg equivs |
| 10:18.43 | Guerin | hatter: /msg dpkg equivs. |
| 10:18.57 | hatter | stew, guerin thx |
| 10:19.09 | Guerin | good luck with what remains of your brain |
| 10:19.23 | hatter | hehe, qmail hasnt given me any trouble |
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| 10:20.16 | hatter | is equivs on sarge ? |
| 10:20.31 | dc2447 | qmail is a head fuck |
| 10:20.32 | CaT[tm] | hatter: I've spent the past 2 years purging 30 servers of it. the amount of frustration and outright annoyance it has given me surpasses even windows. |
| 10:20.53 | hatter | CaT[tm], wow. thats a big statement. :) |
| 10:21.14 | hatter | CaT[tm], and replacing with exim or postfix ? |
| 10:21.26 | stew | hatter: yes, equivs is on sarge |
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| 10:21.33 | hatter | stew, thx |
| 10:21.38 | CaT[tm] | hatter: exim. good security record, excellent logging and ultrapopwerful config file. |
| 10:21.38 | hatter | now apt is having an issie |
| 10:21.45 | Guerin | qmail is fine until you have to change anything. Presuming you spent the week or so banging your head against a wall trying to get it set up in a half-way sane manner. |
| 10:22.06 | hatter | www.qmailrocks.org is fairly simply and does everything |
| 10:22.21 | stew | except leave you with a working apt, aprantly |
| 10:22.25 | Guerin | hatter: i disagree. That was the one I used. Hellish. |
| 10:22.26 | hatter | until now |
| 10:22.54 | CaT[tm] | hmm. ultrapowerful even. |
| 10:23.07 | follia | why does Debian say it sees 3370588 memory only while I have 4GB of memory, anyone? |
| 10:23.37 | CaT[tm] | 32bit system? |
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| 10:23.48 | themill | follia: where are these numbers from? |
| 10:23.58 | hatter | well, apt is saying 'package equivs is not available, but is referred to by another package. this may mean that the package is missing.... |
| 10:24.07 | stew | !info equivs sarge |
| 10:24.11 | dpkg | equivs: (Circumvent Debian package dependencies), section admin, is extra. Version: 2.0.6-0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 10:24.12 | hatter | though it is now saying this with every package |
| 10:24.21 | tarzeau | is there a way to view http://debian.ethz.ch/d-i/acroread/sslpluginok.pdf ? |
| 10:24.32 | stew | hatter: show us the output of 'apt-cache policy' ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 10:24.34 | follia | themill, i got them from the free command and also the cat /proc/meminfo |
| 10:24.41 | CaT[tm] | hatter: the fun thing about exim is that once you figure out its config file you can make it a drop-in replacement for qmail. ;) not sure if you'd want to. if you're going to change MTAs I say do it right but it's a possibility :) |
| 10:25.31 | dc2447 | Love exim but have found it slow |
| 10:25.44 | Guerin | follia: what kernel? |
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| 10:25.55 | follia | 2.6.21-2-686 SMP |
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| 10:26.29 | Guerin | follia: hm, definitely includes the bigmem then |
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| 10:26.52 | CaT[tm] | dc2447: how so? |
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| 10:27.08 | follia | Guerin, yes i suppose |
| 10:27.18 | stew | it includes support for < 4gb, but not 4-64gb. i don't know if the one the supports <4gb really only supports 3.3gb |
| 10:27.19 | themill | Guerin: there are also -21 -bigmem versions, aren't there? |
| 10:27.31 | Guerin | themill: -686 should include it by default up to 4G |
| 10:27.32 | stew | (just like the <1gb kernel only supports up to ~900mb) |
| 10:27.41 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 10:27.46 | stew | i don't know |
| 10:27.54 | Guerin | might be worth a try though |
| 10:28.26 | hatter | stew, http://pastebin.com/m128628ff |
| 10:28.38 | themill | btw how does shared video memory get reported in all of this? (700MB would be too much for that, but I'm curious) |
| 10:28.58 | Guerin | themill: just plain not counted |
| 10:29.30 | stew | themill: the os doesn't see the shared memory |
| 10:29.35 | valdyn | stew: the value 3.3 is something like 4G - what's used for pci or somesuch, depends on hardware |
| 10:29.53 | themill | Guerin, stew: thanks |
| 10:30.00 | Guerin | themill: MemTotal: 760188 kB = 768 - *MB shared |
| 10:30.07 | Guerin | /*8/ |
| 10:30.48 | stew | hatter: the priority of your main mirror is -10, you must have done something strange in /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/apt.conf* |
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| 10:31.54 | h4ngedm4n | is there a package for imagemagick without dependency on x11? just for command line image manipulation |
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| 10:32.10 | valdyn | h4ngedm4n: it doesnt depend on x11 |
| 10:32.17 | hatter | stew, http://pastebin.com/m2f1f1db9 |
| 10:32.22 | valdyn | h4ngedm4n: it only depends on some x libraries |
| 10:32.36 | valdyn | h4ngedm4n: why does it bother you though? |
| 10:32.48 | h4ngedm4n | sure it does, it wants x11-common and some other x related libraries |
| 10:33.02 | hatter | i remember, this server had sata before it was available in the sarge kernel, so a kernel from backports was used |
| 10:33.03 | valdyn | h4ngedm4n: that's by far not X11 |
| 10:33.16 | h4ngedm4n | oh my mistake |
| 10:33.30 | valdyn | h4ngedm4n: x11-common is tiny |
| 10:33.38 | stew | hatter: yeah well you told it to under no circumstances install software from debian (man apt_preferences) |
| 10:33.48 | hatter | stew, i see |
| 10:33.49 | hatter | thx |
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| 10:36.22 | thedonvaughn | tu |
| 10:36.50 | hatter | whats the general consensus about the web admin tool ispconfig ? |
| 10:37.22 | alexbodn | hi all. i'm installing etch on a qemu "machine", and it seems to wait too much on Configuring apt, Scanning the mirror. may i skip this stage? |
| 10:38.03 | Guerin | alexbodn: no. |
| 10:38.15 | Guerin | alexbodn: well ... if you do, you won't be able to do much of anything. |
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| 10:38.44 | onyma | Guerin: why won't he be able to do anything? |
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| 10:39.06 | alexbodn | Guerin, i don't want to choose a task etc |
| 10:39.13 | Guerin | onyma: because a debian without apt is like a car without any wheels |
| 10:39.54 | onyma | Guerin: isn't that just during the installation though? he should be able to still use apt once it's installed. |
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| 10:40.12 | cast | but did you have to make a car analogy about it :P |
| 10:40.16 | dc2447 | CaT[tm]: Exim just seems a little slower when sending *lots* of email compared to qmail |
| 10:40.35 | onyma | alexbodn: are you using one of the net-install discs or a more complete install disc? |
| 10:41.15 | follia | I have installed the 2.6.22-2-686-bigmem, and now it can see 4150740 |
| 10:41.17 | alexbodn | netinstall, but i still want a minimal system. well, i would only add ssh :) |
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| 10:42.08 | Guerin | alexbodn: to add ssh you would need to configure apt |
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| 10:42.44 | Guerin | dc2447: qmail *has* to be fast, otherwise it would grind to a halt when tripling spam (as it does in default configuration) |
| 10:42.50 | alexbodn | onyma, Guerin: i'd like to configure apt even later, just it takes ages, probably networking is not been best set |
| 10:43.17 | Guerin | dc2447: i'll take a large bump in quality over a small bump in speed any day, thanks |
| 10:43.29 | onyma | alexbodn: what happens when you disable networking in qemu? |
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| 10:44.17 | Guerin | alexbodn: you'd need to run the installer in expert mode for that. I think you can drop into it by hitting esc several times or by cancelling some step or other |
| 10:44.27 | Guerin | alexbodn: my advice would be to just leave it, though |
| 10:44.30 | alexbodn | onyma: i can simply not configure apt. but i'm in it and ctrl-c doesn't work |
| 10:45.03 | alexbodn | it's there for an hour |
| 10:45.07 | onyma | alexbodn: if you launched qemu from the terminal, select the terminal and ctrl+c from there |
| 10:45.22 | alexbodn | retrying :) |
| 10:45.37 | onyma | or try a killall or a kill -9 from another terminal |
| 10:46.09 | onyma | if those don't work, then something's blocked (and you may need to reboot, unless someone here knows how to fix a blocked process) |
| 10:46.47 | alexbodn | onyma: alt-f2 saved the situation |
| 10:47.15 | alexbodn | but there are a few processes on this issue :( |
| 10:47.35 | onyma | alexbodn: few processes on this issue? |
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| 10:48.37 | alexbodn | udpkg --configure --force-configure apt-setup-udeb |
| 10:49.28 | alexbodn | /bin/sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/apt-setup-udeb.postinst co |
| 10:49.45 | onyma | aren't you installing in qemu? |
| 10:49.58 | alexbodn | /bin/sh /usr/bin/apt-setup --log-output /target |
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| 10:50.35 | alexbodn | onyma: i was just sending the apt related processes |
| 10:51.29 | alexbodn | onyma: qemu provides a fairly complete machine, so alt-f2 is working :) |
| 10:51.29 | onyma | alexbodn: i don't understand why. |
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| 10:52.42 | alexbodn | onyma: why what? |
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| 10:53.15 | dc2447 | Guerin: I agree kinda - however if you have to send one million mails an hour you need your mta to be able to perform |
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| 10:54.33 | onyma | I don't understand why you were sending the apt related information. I think apt configuration is early enough in the installation process that I'd just start over with the qemu network disabled. |
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| 10:55.32 | alexbodn | no, it's close to the end of the process, just before grub/lilo |
| 10:56.45 | onyma | alexbodn: o... hmm. have you already added users and set up the passwords and such? |
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| 10:56.59 | onyma | is grub the very last part of the install? |
| 10:57.14 | tarzeau | onyma: pretty much so, yes |
| 10:57.23 | alexbodn | onyma: did. i'd kill the last line. the others seem to wait for it to end |
| 10:58.10 | onyma | can you sendkey control+alt+f1 in qemu? does that give you a terminal in qemu? |
| 10:58.24 | tarzeau | onyma: you can run chvt 1 as root in a terminal? |
| 10:58.52 | alexbodn | i can just press alt+fn |
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| 10:59.47 | alexbodn | tarzeau: chvt is not present, but it would have run |
| 10:59.57 | onyma | you didn't try killing the apt processes? |
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| 11:00.10 | alexbodn | doing |
| 11:00.28 | tarzeau | alexbodn: are you root? |
| 11:02.16 | onyma | alexbodn: if whatever else you try doesn't work, you can killing qemu, mounting the image and run fsck, then rerunning the installer in recovery mode to install grub |
| 11:02.25 | alexbodn | killed the innermost process and all waiting processes ended, but the installation vt is still frozen :( |
| 11:03.17 | onyma | sorry for the bad grammar. that sentence started one way and didn't get completely edited to the way i intended it. |
| 11:03.29 | alexbodn | i'll restart the installation, without apt setup this time |
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| 11:04.21 | alexbodn | onyma, my sons are writing even worse english yet :) |
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| 11:05.39 | alexbodn | i wonder what is the command to setup grub? it's the only missing thing, and i can run it in vt2 |
| 11:05.45 | assasukasse | hi all, could someone help me wiht cups? |
| 11:05.53 | alexbodn | i'm root, after all ;) |
| 11:06.23 | onyma | alexbodn: to install grub, you can try "grub-install" if that works. it's the easiest. if not, then try just "grub". you'll get a command line, where you'll need to type more commands |
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| 11:06.45 | assasukasse | i am in a windows envirorment, and there is a network printer, that use a printstation, i am using foomatic, but seems i am unable to print, it doesntodiscover the neetwork printer.. |
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| 11:08.14 | alexbodn | onyma: everything stuck and missing. i'm retrying |
| 11:09.30 | alexbodn | assasukasse: i have also failed to print remotely. maybe firewall stands in your way |
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| 11:11.11 | assasukasse | alexbodn: its strange, because i was able to see the printers yesterday, after removing them from cups web interface now they aaare not self discovered anymore |
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| 11:12.09 | alexbodn | assasukasse: sorry, last time i've touched that was years ago, and i was unsuccessful :( |
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| 11:12.53 | erpo | assasukasse: I've never been able to get cups to work without feeling like there was at least a little luck involved. |
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| 11:13.41 | assasukasse | awww, i dont want to say, but with ubuntu it just worked..i dunno why they are so fucking lucky. |
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| 11:14.29 | kantor | hi, I'm using a pppoe connection in Debian etch, when the connection is active the network manager applet (in the bottom right corner of the taskbar) thinks that no network connection is available |
| 11:14.54 | abrotman | kantor: it might be monitoring a different interface |
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| 11:15.25 | themill | kantor: we've only just answered your question on oftc |
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| 11:16.52 | abrotman | ooohh .. a cross poster! |
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| 11:17.53 | themill | it's not even just cross posting, it's asking, getting the answers saying "thanks" and then immediately changing channels and asking again without enough time in between to have done anything that was suggested the first time. |
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| 11:19.47 | sharika` | hi how to know what kind of internal modem is in ma laptop?there is no device like /dev/modem in ma laptop so i should have some driver for the internal modem no? |
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| 11:21.10 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 11:21.10 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
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| 11:22.00 | themill | sharika`: on a laptop, the modem is often rolled into the sound card in some way... you could start by looking there. |
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| 11:28.31 | sharika` | hi just now i heard abt scanmodem and i have tried it in ma laptop and i have the modemdata.txt in pastebin here http://www.pastebin.ca/731764 can anyone pls look into that?i am not an expert in these things.. |
| 11:28.48 | mooper | hullo, Im trying to get users to work with samba but its not:( |
| 11:29.16 | mooper | I copied over the exact smae config from my laptop to my PC but for some reason its borked :( |
| 11:29.52 | abrotman | !slmodem |
| 11:29.52 | dpkg | well, slmodem is http://www.smlink.com/content.aspx?id=132, or http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/smartlink/, or now in sarge+ |
| 11:29.56 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 11:29.58 | abrotman | useless |
| 11:30.33 | abrotman | sharika`: m-a prepare && m-a a-i sl-modem |
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| 11:36.47 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 11:36.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd146 is <penguin> If I run a command int the background like $command & <penguin> What happens if I turn the computer off |
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| 11:39.38 | mooper | http://rafb.net/p/WVYWAg56.html can some kindly chappy cast an eye my samba config and tell me why the [users] thing is borked. If I try to connect to it from a windows box It brings up the user name and password thing but will allow me no further. |
| 11:40.21 | petemc | check the logs |
| 11:40.49 | abrotman | there's also #samba |
| 11:40.56 | RvGaTe^work | mooper, have you added the user using smbpasswd? could be possible that the account you're trying to access doesn't exists... |
| 11:42.31 | mooper | RvGaTe^work: maybe |
| 11:43.13 | th0ger_ifa | Is it possible to move a process from one "parent" to another? (I want to move a running job into a screen session) |
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| 11:43.33 | simplechat | hey |
| 11:43.47 | RvGaTe^work | th0ger_ifa, no |
| 11:44.48 | mooper | RvGaTe^work: thanks, that was very stoopid of me |
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| 11:47.54 | RvGaTe^work | mooper, did that fix it / |
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| 11:50.18 | mooper | RvGaTe^work: yeah, I was being dumb |
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| 11:51.06 | RvGaTe^work | mooper, i wanna hear ou say it again :P hehe |
| 11:52.22 | mooper | RvGaTe^work: I bet you do 5 stoopid things today |
| 11:52.55 | RvGaTe^work | mooper, yup |
| 11:53.13 | RvGaTe^work | mooper, for instance... trying to get this windows server to work... |
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| 11:53.36 | mooper | RvGaTe^work: Lets just hope you dont spill coffee over your computer |
| 11:54.15 | mooper | RvGaTe^work: Ill agree, that is a really stoopid thing to try and dp |
| 11:54.19 | RvGaTe^work | i dont drink coffee.. :P so that wont happen |
| 11:54.43 | mooper | You should be aiming to make it not work and to eat resources whilst doing so. |
| 11:54.54 | mooper | You might get some job satisfaction then |
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| 12:02.21 | Shifty | !nvidia |
| 12:02.21 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 12:02.32 | Shifty | hi all |
| 12:03.14 | antum | Hi everyone! I'm doing a netinst and it's stuck at 5% for "Select and Install software" Is there anything I can do at all? |
| 12:04.04 | asg | antum: F3 and F4 should show you a log of what's going on and what might be wrong. F2 will get you to a shell |
| 12:04.57 | abrotman | Shifty: you could msg the bot |
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| 12:05.20 | antum | asg thanks for the help... but it doesn't seem to respond :( |
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| 12:05.47 | RvGaTe^work | antum, alt+<key> |
| 12:05.48 | asg | antum: hmmm, the whole machine is locked up? |
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| 12:06.18 | shyam | sharikaassharika |
| 12:06.20 | asg | antum: sorry, my mistake, see RvGaTe^work's comment |
| 12:06.58 | antum | Ok, I've got into a shell... not to sure where to go now? |
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| 12:07.48 | shyam | abrotman: hi i am sharika thanks a lottt i got slmodem ok..it worked correctly and said to use /dev/ttySL0 as the device which is pointing to /dev/p../4 but there is no device as /dev/ttySL0 |
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| 12:08.14 | abrotman | shyam: i think you have to install another program ... apt-cache search sl-modem |
| 12:08.30 | shyam | ok |
| 12:08.31 | abrotman | shyam: i have an sl-modem .. but not here .. and i don't use it anymoer |
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| 12:09.11 | shyam | hmm have to use that as far as the country provides enough broadband connections |
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| 12:09.49 | shyam | abrotman: now i have broadband but not ma friends..so working for them:) |
| 12:09.53 | antum | The log says To continue, enter yes or no... I tried typing yes but nothing has happened? Why would this show in the log and not install screen? |
| 12:10.15 | asc | Hi. I did an encrypted LVM install (guided partitioning) and it gives me an error when I try to boot: 'volume group not found', followed by 'cryptsetup: source device /dev/sda5 not found'. When it drops to a console, /dev/sda5 does exist. Does anybody know what the cause of this is? |
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| 12:12.25 | antum | I might try a restart... is this likely to corrupt progress so far? |
| 12:12.56 | RvGaTe^work | antum, if so, starting over shouldn't be a big deal for the netinstall |
| 12:14.18 | antum | yeah,, might just give it a go... cheers for your help... |
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| 12:14.39 | asc | hm |
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| 12:15.07 | asc | Once it drops me to the console when boot fails, how can I tell it to resume the boot? |
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| 12:23.01 | rubymonk | Hello everyone... May anyone help me with this ? I don't get it... http://pastie.caboo.se/105725 |
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| 12:24.29 | streuner | rubymonk: y+ |
| 12:24.31 | streuner | rubymonk: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 12:24.40 | nicholas | any tips for decoding a "self-extracting pgp.exe" under debian? |
| 12:25.13 | rubymonk | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.6-15 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:25.52 | rubymonk | streuner, /usr/sbin/useradd <--- this works.... /bin/sh /usr/sbin/useradd <----- this does not |
| 12:26.07 | rubymonk | nicholas, wine? |
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| 12:26.39 | nicholas | it fails "error decoding file". can't see any obvious fixes |
| 12:26.49 | stew | nicholas: what exactly is a "self-extracting pgp.exe"? |
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| 12:27.24 | rubymonk | certainly is a self-extracting zip file or something |
| 12:27.52 | nicholas | stew: its a .exe file, which when you execute it under wine comes up with a pgp dialogue. it's supposed to contain the data as well. unzip didn't cut it either |
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| 12:28.41 | stew | nicholas: pgp dialogue that says what? asks for a passphrase to decode it? |
| 12:29.05 | nicholas | stew: yep. |
| 12:29.21 | stew | nicholas: and you are putting in the passphrase? |
| 12:29.31 | nicholas | for sure |
| 12:29.39 | rubymonk | cd /usr/sbin && /bin/sh ./useradd fails aswell... ./useradd: ./useradd: cannot execute binary file |
| 12:30.08 | streuner | rubymonk: its bash... |
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| 12:30.33 | rubymonk | bash... sh... whatever, they both report the same error |
| 12:30.49 | themill | rubymonk: useradd isn't a shell script |
| 12:30.49 | stew | rubymonk: its not a shell script, its a binary, so forget /bin/sh ./useradd |
| 12:30.55 | nicholas | stew, rubymonk - looks like it was the output direcory failing. wine works :-) |
| 12:31.03 | stew | rubymonk: /usr/sbin on a partition which is mounted noexec? |
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| 12:31.22 | rubymonk | stew, No, it's not |
| 12:31.25 | stew | rubymonk: what does "ls -l /usr/sbin/useradd" return? |
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| 12:31.43 | rubymonk | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 60288 2006-06-10 09:39 /usr/sbin/useradd |
| 12:32.05 | themill | rubymonk: your error is not an error... sh cannot execute a binary file like that |
| 12:32.17 | abrotman | rubymonk: and IIRC .. use adduser |
| 12:32.20 | rubymonk | ok... |
| 12:32.33 | streuner | themill: we already told him :-) |
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| 12:33.12 | themill | streuner: I know... but neurons work on a sort of voting system... the more times a neuron receives a message the more like it is to believe it ;) |
| 12:33.22 | themill | likely* |
| 12:33.32 | streuner | hehe, sounds rather like "Freud" :-) |
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| 12:33.59 | stew | i totally misread the situation, i thought both "sh ./useradd" and "./useradd" were failing |
| 12:34.03 | Nyle | Good morning |
| 12:34.09 | streuner | "Tell somebody always the same BS, some day they believe it"... |
| 12:34.24 | Nyle | streuner: if you keep saying bullshit you start to believe it yourself |
| 12:34.31 | Nyle | the general 'you' |
| 12:34.36 | rubymonk | Well, Ok, my issue is the following. I try to run ntfsresize from ruby using system() or ``. When I run ntfsresize manually, it works perfectly, now, using ruby, it seems ntfsresize doesn't see /dev/hdc1... which exists. It has been suggested in #ruby-lang that maybe environnement variables could be a cause (Not sure why but trying...) so I tried to run it this way: /bin/sh /usr/sbin/ntfsresize.... Any other idea ? |
| 12:34.42 | themill | rubymonk: if you want to use sh there... (and I don't know why you would), then you'd use sh -c. Just using sh on it's own like that is only for shell scripts that start with #!/bin/sh |
| 12:35.30 | stew | the subshell is just going to inherit all of the environment from the parent anyway |
| 12:35.47 | rubymonk | "Funny" thing is, it works in a very simple ruby script... |
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| 12:35.55 | rubymonk | stew, hum, you're right |
| 12:36.13 | rubymonk | I guess this signs my return to #ruby-lang to ask again |
| 12:36.33 | rubymonk | Right, thanks a lot everyone :) |
| 12:36.47 | stew | rubymonk: how exactly are you running ntfsresize, and what exactly is the error? |
| 12:37.12 | rubymonk | ntfsresize -ifn /dev/hdc1 |
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| 12:37.55 | rubymonk | ERROR(2): Failed to check '/dev/hdc1' mount state: No such file or directory |
| 12:37.55 | rubymonk | Probably /etc/mtab is missing. It's too risky to continue. You might try |
| 12:37.55 | rubymonk | an another Linux distro. |
| 12:37.58 | rubymonk | That's it |
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| 12:38.17 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 12:38.23 | rubymonk | and /dev/hdc1 really exists in /dev and in /proc/partitions |
| 12:38.30 | Haris1 | How do I turn on nat for iptables in etch? |
| 12:38.33 | stew | rubymonk: does /etc/mtab exist? |
| 12:38.48 | rubymonk | stew, yes |
| 12:38.54 | stew | Haris1: if you try to add a rule to the nat table, the kernel module will automatically get loaded |
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| 12:39.02 | stew | rubymonk: perhaps you should strace it |
| 12:39.05 | rubymonk | running the command manually or in a very basic ruby script works perfectly |
| 12:39.32 | rubymonk | stew, Yeah, I guess should |
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| 12:39.38 | rubymonk | I* |
| 12:40.01 | themill | Haris1: the ipmasq package does all the dirty work for you |
| 12:40.07 | rubymonk | Right, thanks everyone :) |
| 12:40.36 | Haris1 | stew: I have one for -t nat postrouting |
| 12:40.41 | Haris1 | but its not working |
| 12:40.53 | stew | Haris1: you have to be more specific than 'not working' |
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| 12:41.14 | Haris1 | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth2 -j MASQUERADE |
| 12:41.22 | Haris1 | oops checking, for interfaces |
| 12:41.24 | abrotman | simple method. . use ipmasq |
| 12:41.44 | stew | Haris1: what does "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" return? |
| 12:41.50 | ringo9991 | hi, i want to change my ip settings from dhcp to static. where to start with, what to look for? |
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| 12:42.01 | stew | ringo9991: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 12:42.03 | asg | ringo9991: man 5 interfaces |
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| 12:42.23 | ringo9991 | i want to make switching between dhcp/static as easy as possible |
| 12:42.28 | Haris1 | Ok, that was it |
| 12:42.31 | Haris1 | wrong interfaces |
| 12:42.53 | Haris1 | Its working now |
| 12:42.56 | stew | ringo9991: "man 5 interfaces" and look at the "mapping" examples |
| 12:43.06 | Shifty | !kde |
| 12:43.06 | stew | ringo9991: or /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 12:43.06 | dpkg | somebody said kde was a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble> |
| 12:43.24 | themill | ringo9991: if you're changing often, the look at mapping/aliases in the interfaces. If you're using a laptop and moving from place to place, then look at ifplugd and guessnet |
| 12:44.20 | ringo9991 | themill: do these tools require kde/gnome? im using xfce and rather use something independent... |
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| 12:44.52 | themill | ringo9991: ifplugd and guessnet just work within the ifupdown framework. There are no GUIs for them at all. |
| 12:45.11 | ringo9991 | themill: thx |
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| 12:46.36 | themill | ringo9991: but get things working nicely with just the mapping first, and then get more complicated by adding in things like guessnet or ifplugd. Walk first, then run. |
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| 12:48.36 | ringo9991 | themill: yep. will do. |
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| 12:54.06 | sjordal | hey i'm trying to make a customised install cd set. i'd like it to prompt for a second cd with extra packages |
| 12:54.14 | sjordal | how do i configure this? in the preseed file? |
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| 13:00.46 | asmeran | hi2all |
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| 13:03.25 | themill | !tell Beshamo about root |
| 13:03.33 | Capkirk | need good advise for building debian packages for company servers. My problem is that after install of all the packages we need on our servers we need the configfiles for applications installed to be overwritten but ive tried to make a debian packages that will install company specific configfile but thats not possible due to package conflict? How does other people solve this problem? |
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| 13:04.44 | themill | Capkirk: you could use diversions to solve that, I guess. |
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| 13:04.59 | themill | Beshamo: that's better ;) third time lucky. |
| 13:05.27 | Beshamo | themill, yeah, I just realised:) |
| 13:05.46 | Beshamo | does anyone know about troubleshooting silo? |
| 13:05.54 | Capkirk | themill: diversions? sorry for my english? |
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| 13:06.45 | Capkirk | themill: no worry am reading about it now |
| 13:06.48 | themill | Capkirk: man dpkg-divert |
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| 13:07.27 | themill | Capkirk: but there are probably other more elegant ways of going it. Others may have ideas.... |
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| 13:08.10 | themill | Capkirk: For things like apt, php and apache, you can configure them using a conf.d directory which are designed to cope with these situations. |
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| 13:09.57 | alexbodn | Capkirk: it's a problematic issue. i'd suggest you back all confiuration up, when a package is been upgraded, it gives a choice to upgrade the config too. you should most of times refuse, but compare allways the old and new configs (option D). there might be situations when a new software version would need different configuration files format. but that's usually the purpose of using stable software ;) |
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| 13:11.56 | Capkirk | alexbodn: we use stable and we do make backup every day |
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| 13:12.55 | alexbodn | so why are you afraid of changes in the configuration files. you may be the only one to change them ;) |
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| 13:14.28 | Capkirk | alexbodn: im not affraid i just want a automatic way of overwriting the configfiles when we install servers so we dont have to edit the manually every time :) |
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| 13:14.47 | lindylex | hello all |
| 13:15.00 | alexbodn | are you cloning the entire packages list? |
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| 13:15.27 | sjordal | Capkirk, this is a pretty common problem. problem is that you have to then track the packages you modify and every time they are updated you have to reapply your diffs |
| 13:15.35 | sjordal | you might be better off using a different system to modify them |
| 13:15.58 | alexbodn | Capkirk: are you cloning the entire packages list? |
| 13:17.21 | Capkirk | sjordal: hmm it should be possible not to overwrite if marking the configfiles through diversions right? |
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| 13:17.43 | Ahmadinejad | Any youtube like site where i dont need to download flash? |
| 13:17.46 | antum | Does anyone know of a good place to learn how to setup mod_ssl correctly and get a better understanding of how ssl works in general? |
| 13:18.17 | sjordal | Capkirk, yeah that's true |
| 13:18.36 | sjordal | decision comes down to whether you want to just prevent apt from overwriting what you got |
| 13:18.46 | sjordal | or whether you want to actually manage your configuration files |
| 13:18.52 | sjordal | for the latter something like cfengine is useful |
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| 13:21.11 | abrotman | antum: what don't you understand ? |
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| 13:23.05 | stew | antum: "aptitude install apache2; a2enmod ssl". for "how it works in general" is a pretty large topic, do you have a more specific question? |
| 13:23.08 | antum | I'd like to be able to setup a test site on my local server that emulates an https section... |
| 13:23.30 | ringo999 | hi i have problems with my network: i.e. i have to click on links multiple times for the webpages to load or make any transfer. what could that be? how would you diagnose it? (debian tools?) |
| 13:23.31 | abrotman | emulates ... |
| 13:23.54 | antum | I seem to get confused when it comes to generating keys, certificates and signing them... I haven't quite got my head around how it all fits together... |
| 13:24.34 | antum | abrotman I guess emulates isn't the right word... i just mean it wont have a verisign certificate... just one that i create locally for testing only... |
| 13:24.50 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 13:25.01 | abrotman | make-ssl-cert can generate a cert for you to test with |
| 13:25.37 | antum | well that will certainly help :) |
| 13:25.58 | ringo999 | hi abrotman, remember me? it's been a long time... |
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| 13:27.03 | stew | antum: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ssl/ |
| 13:28.08 | antum | thanks stew! |
| 13:28.25 | L0cKn | Hello all! |
| 13:28.25 | L0cKn | :-) |
| 13:28.47 | stew | antum: you'll have to add three things to a vitual host to make it ssl enabled. one to turn on ssl, one to point to the cert and one to point ot the cert key file |
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| 13:28.59 | stew | antum: and you'll want that virtualhost to listen on 443 and not 80 |
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| 13:29.20 | abrotman | and set ports.conf iirc |
| 13:29.40 | antum | stew, ok I must have been so close to getting it working... thanks for your help, |
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| 13:31.16 | antum | once I've done ./configure make make install... what say I want to reconfigure with another option... do I go back to the start and do a ./configure again? |
| 13:31.29 | stew | antum: what are you compiling? |
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| 13:31.50 | antum | apache... I want to add --enable-so |
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| 13:34.21 | abrotman | antum: why are you compiling apache at all ? |
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| 13:35.15 | themill | antum: the apache2 packages in debian are capable of doing ssl without any further effort. It's not like apache1.3 where you had to curse, compile and stand on your head to get it working. |
| 13:35.22 | antum | I wanted a system that mirrors a server I'm using, it has apache 2, php4 and mysql 3.23 (yuk!) |
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| 13:35.40 | RvGaTe^work | themill, good old days... :P |
| 13:36.24 | themill | RvGaTe^work: yeah... something like that. Would you believe that I was even doing that under some redhat bollox at the time too... |
| 13:36.32 | themill | abrotman: yes, but you're a machine. |
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| 13:37.22 | antum | How do you get output from a command one page at a time Eg: ./configure --help |
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| 13:37.51 | asg | antum: | to a pager (more, less, most) (i.e., foo | less) |
| 13:38.05 | antum | asg awesome! thanks for that, |
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| 13:40.52 | angusmarkus | hello folks |
| 13:40.55 | angusmarkus | how do i find out what my video card is |
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| 13:42.11 | asg | angusmarkus: lspci |
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| 13:44.12 | deconvolution | hi is there any performance differences between a kernel module dynamically loaded in run-time or just being compiled in to kernel? |
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| 13:45.39 | maxamillion | deconvolution: well, there is the load time hit initially ... after that it depends if it is close enough to the cpu to cause a cache hit ... |
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| 13:51.35 | deconvolution | maxamillion: ok, thanks for the infor |
| 13:51.44 | maxamillion | np |
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| 13:52.10 | maxamillion | deconvolution: to be honest, you as the user probably wouldn't notice the difference if you just have one module dynamically loaded |
| 13:52.47 | maxamillion | might be true for many modules |
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| 13:54.10 | deconvolution | maxamillion: the story is that , at the moment, i use my custom kernel which compile all the modules into the kernel. However, i am considering the debian made standard kernel package. |
| 13:54.36 | maxamillion | deconvolution: oh, i haven't compiled a kernel for myself in years because i haven't felt the need to |
| 13:54.47 | deconvolution | maxamillion, if there is not such differences, i just simply use debian's updated one |
| 13:55.07 | maxamillion | deconvolution: using debian's updated one has my vote but the final decision is yours :) |
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| 13:55.16 | deconvolution | maxamillion, i see, many thanks |
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| 13:56.31 | ampex | is there a way to mount a filesystem without using the linux filesystem cache? |
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| 13:59.43 | ezguy | hi, ethtool -S eth0 shows rx_errors_total: 2, rx_frame_error: 1, rx_frame_align_error: 1 and rx_drop_frame: 8307343 |
| 14:00.13 | ezguy | any thougths? does this indicate a problem with the nic or what |
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| 14:03.06 | ampex | is there a way to mount a filesystem so that every change gets written out to disk immediately and is not cached to memory? |
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| 14:04.58 | sjordal | ampex, think you can tweak that in /proc |
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| 14:07.38 | supplyanddemand | I'm looking for a debian installer that lets you do alot more configuration then the basic netinstall. Any ideas where to look? |
| 14:08.19 | abrotman | spoopin: ping! |
| 14:08.29 | Noven | what kinds of more changes? |
| 14:08.49 | Noven | I always thought the expert install was pretty thurough |
| 14:09.14 | supplyanddemand | Yeah it might be. I'll take another look at it. |
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| 14:09.32 | Noven | get the latest net install cd and check out the expert install |
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| 14:10.38 | Shifty | how can i fx the fault of xserver (no falid font could be found) ??? |
| 14:10.39 | supplyanddemand | I'll check it out. Thanks. |
| 14:11.15 | smhar | hello all |
| 14:11.19 | smhar | regarding my ati problem, I took the easy route and booting in 686 kernel instead of the amd64 one, and the one-liner installtion completed without error. thank you all |
| 14:12.20 | abrotman | Shifty: aptitude install xorg |
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| 14:13.05 | smhar | now the /etc/X11/xorg.conf says I have fglrx driver, how to confirm that in X, specially that glxgears is very slow |
| 14:14.37 | themill | smhar: run fgl_glxgears |
| 14:15.09 | themill | smhar: also, glxinfo |grep -i direct |
| 14:15.25 | maxamillion | smhar: if X starts and you have 'Driver "fglrx"' in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... i'm pretty sure you have the module |
| 14:15.27 | supplyanddemand | Just wondering. In the etch install when you are selecting packages (Laptop,standard,mail,file etc). What does the "standard" and "laptop" packages actually contain. |
| 14:15.32 | supplyanddemand | (?) |
| 14:15.48 | Bracki | whats a good web based group calendar available as a debian package? |
| 14:15.52 | Shifty | ok thx abrotman |
| 14:15.59 | smhar | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
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| 14:16.38 | smhar | direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) |
| 14:16.48 | smhar | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 14:16.52 | maxamillion | supplyanddemand: there is a "standard" selection? ... |
| 14:17.05 | supplyanddemand | maxamillion: Yes, I belvive so. |
| 14:17.51 | maxamillion | supplyanddemand: anyways ... to my knowledge, the "laptop" selection just installs common laptop apps and modules such as battery monitor, power management, modules to suspend the machine to ram, etc. |
| 14:18.38 | Shifty | abrotman: now i only get a black screen :( |
| 14:18.42 | maxamillion | supplyanddemand: i assume standard would be just debian-base ... the kernel, dpkg, apt, bash, other basic gnu tools, and the rest of the "standard" debian userspace |
| 14:18.46 | abrotman | Shifty: check the logs again |
| 14:18.55 | Shifty | ok |
| 14:19.06 | Shifty | but i cant switch to console |
| 14:19.19 | supplyanddemand | maxamillion: Thats what I was thinking. Thanks. If I ever reinstall Ill take a closer look. |
| 14:19.53 | aindilis | What is best VM for doing COW testing of packages: Xen Qemu Vmware UML or other? |
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| 14:22.40 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 14:22.57 | Ace2016 | how do you control the lcd backlight brightness on a laptop? the function keys do not work |
| 14:22.57 | tls_81 | hello, quick question, when i `apt-get remove` a package does it delete it from the /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 14:22.58 | smhar | themill, abrotman, fgl_glxgears error is here: http://paste.debian.net/39315 |
| 14:23.08 | jakub_ | how to add 32 bit library to 64 bit system ? |
| 14:23.20 | tls_81 | or does the package stay in the archive in case i want to reeinstall later on? |
| 14:23.33 | tls_81 | *without downloading again... |
| 14:23.37 | Ace2016 | tls_81: sudo updatedb, then use locate to find the package using its name |
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| 14:24.15 | sinizzl | hi |
| 14:24.40 | Ace2016 | yea it seems to stay in archives, but it may depend on the removal method/app used |
| 14:24.40 | Ace2016 | hi |
| 14:24.45 | sinizzl | i accidentally deleted /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf . how can i get debian's default config file again? apt-get remove dovecot-pop3d && apt-get install dovecot-pop3d doesn't do the job ;-( |
| 14:24.51 | themill | smhar: if fgl_glxgears doesn't work, then you've got some work to do :) "lsmod | grep fglrx" and "grep fglrx /etc/X11/xorg.conf" should both produce output. |
| 14:25.01 | themill | !tell sinizzl about confmiss |
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| 14:25.16 | sinizzl | !tell sinizzl sexy hot storieS!!1 |
| 14:25.27 | themill | sinizzl: or pull it out of the deb file itself using ar or mc |
| 14:25.38 | themill | sinizzl: quit messing with the bot |
| 14:25.50 | sinizzl | lol themill |
| 14:25.52 | tls_81 | ace2016: thank you the reason why am asking is because I would like to migrate all the installed packages from one server to the other... and not install removed packages on the new server... would updatedb clear the /var/cache/apt/archive of all uninstalled packages? |
| 14:25.58 | sinizzl | u don't have no sense of humour, u poor man. |
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| 14:26.02 | thelostbutler | hello folks what a precision timer? is it an chip on a motherboard that acts a timer/clock device or is it a software implementation ? |
| 14:26.06 | themill | !u |
| 14:26.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:26.08 | smhar | themill, lsmod | grep fglrx is empty. grep fglrx /etc/X11/xorg.conf is Driver "fglrx" |
| 14:26.39 | themill | smhar: try modprobe fglrx and then restarting X. |
| 14:27.42 | Ace2016 | tls_81: updatedb just updates the database of all the files on the computer, so that locate knows about what files are present on the system |
| 14:27.48 | smhar | themill, oh... the modprobe gave errors: WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist line 63: ignoring bad line starting with 'ath_pci' |
| 14:28.06 | tls_81 | ace2016: ok thx... |
| 14:28.07 | smhar | themill, and line 64 and 65 |
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| 14:28.18 | cy_` | hi |
| 14:28.30 | cy_` | what's a good cpu/memory stress/performance test-tool? |
| 14:28.50 | asg | cy_`: compiling a kernel |
| 14:28.56 | themill | cy_`: helping on #debian |
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| 14:29.10 | tls_81 | ace2016 I think what i need is apt-get clean.... |
| 14:30.03 | themill | smhar: one thing at a time. are they all warnings or errors too? |
| 14:30.12 | themill | smhar: and is fglrx now in lsmod |
| 14:31.04 | smhar | themill, no it is still not in lsmode, and no, it only shows those 3 lines for 63, 64, and 65 |
| 14:31.15 | Ace2016 | apt-get autoclean is better, read here http://www.debianuniverse.com/readonline/chapter/05 |
| 14:31.38 | themill | smhar: can you pastebin /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist for us? |
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| 14:32.31 | smhar | themill, http://paste.debian.net/39317 |
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| 14:33.34 | themill | smhar: change those three lines to "blacklist ath_pci" (just the same as the other lines in that file). And you only need it once not 3 times. |
| 14:34.08 | smhar | themill, I swear I didn't do it :-) |
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| 14:34.37 | ericP | dondelelcaro, yesterday you suggested that udev should be creating serial devices when i sync my palm. i was missing an entry in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
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| 14:35.04 | themill | smhar: heh... probably some helpful installer... atheros wifi card or something. |
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| 14:35.21 | themill | smhar: did you use a debian installer for that? (I don't know if there is one) |
| 14:35.32 | ericP | karsten, i never worked out the timing on jpilot, but if i press the sync button on my treo cable and they start kpilot, i can hotsync |
| 14:35.53 | smhar | themill, modprobe fglrx: FATAL: Module fglrx not found. |
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| 14:36.21 | themill | smhar: that will slow you down... are you back running under the amd64 kernel again? |
| 14:36.28 | ericP | karsten, (though replicating todo's causes kpilot to crash. i'll probably grab the source to fix that) |
| 14:36.31 | smhar | themill, I used several installers, but the one that worked is the "fglrx one-liner" |
| 14:37.03 | smhar | themill, uname -a: Linux aristotle 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:37.32 | smhar | themill, the amd64 is still there but not booted |
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| 14:40.28 | themill | smhar: ok... so that's the same kernel under which you compiled the module? |
| 14:41.18 | themill | smhar: check that the module is installed: ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/misc |
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| 14:45.18 | smhar | themill, ls: /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/misc: No such file or directory |
| 14:46.06 | smhar | themill, but I did run the one-liner under this kernel, but.. probably it was already compiled under amd64 |
| 14:46.36 | themill | smhar: do you have and did you install the /usr/src/fglrx-kernel-2.6.18-5-686*deb ? |
| 14:46.46 | themill | err -4- |
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| 14:47.11 | themill | smhar: by the way, that's an old kernel... you should upgrade |
| 14:47.26 | themill | smhar: and when you upgrade, you'll need to recompile the fglrx module ;) |
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| 14:57.21 | Xenius | HI, got a problem with grep and Debian 4.0: |
| 14:57.47 | Xenius | grep -P won't work with: Error message is "unsuported Option"... |
| 14:58.11 | Xenius | I mentioned that this worked in different other Verions... |
| 14:58.20 | Xenius | Grep version I use is 2.5.1 |
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| 14:59.50 | asg | Xenius: I think you need to use egrep or grep -e to get that option |
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| 15:00.24 | themill | Xenius: there's also the package pcregrep |
| 15:00.30 | asmarin | hi im using squid 2.6 from etch |
| 15:00.56 | asmarin | and its so strange because if i make /etc/init.d/squid start, stop, reload etc show differents results |
| 15:01.02 | asmarin | mostly errors |
| 15:01.07 | Xenius | I found the package pcregrep and it does what grep -P is supposed to do... |
| 15:01.11 | asmarin | has squid for etch any problem? |
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| 15:01.21 | asg | asmarin: none here |
| 15:01.37 | Xenius | but I'm wondering why the man-page tells that there is a grep -P and it does not work... |
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| 15:01.44 | asmarin | perhaps a syntax error of squid.conf? |
| 15:02.13 | Xenius | I also compiled grep from scratch but it also don't want to use the -P option... |
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| 15:02.39 | Xenius | the thing is just it worked in older versions and I wondered if there is anywhere a config option to solve the prob |
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| 15:04.38 | asg | Xenius: it might be mentioned in the bts (/msg dpkg bts) for an archived bug. It's worth a shot giving it a look. |
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| 15:04.56 | russo | hey guys |
| 15:04.59 | russo | i had an error |
| 15:05.03 | russo | during an install |
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| 15:05.19 | russo | so now i can't apt-get remove --purge the package |
| 15:05.23 | russo | what can i do? |
| 15:05.28 | abrotman | fix the install |
| 15:05.33 | russo | right... |
| 15:05.38 | russo | and how should i do that |
| 15:05.43 | abrotman | tell us the error |
| 15:05.44 | russo | i tried apt-get install -f |
| 15:05.46 | russo | it didn't work |
| 15:05.49 | wols | !tell russo about bat |
| 15:05.54 | Xenius | asg: "/msg dpkg bts" ? |
| 15:06.04 | asg | Xenius: our bot will give you information |
| 15:06.08 | asg | !tell Xenius about bts |
| 15:06.09 | wols | russo: chanenl your enter key to apt. certainly your enter key does work |
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| 15:06.29 | russo | ? |
| 15:06.46 | themill | !tell russo about enter |
| 15:06.59 | russo | oh sorry :P |
| 15:07.01 | russo | bad habit |
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| 15:07.09 | russo | damn it i did it again :P i'll stop now i promiss |
| 15:07.38 | themill | !btssmite Xenius |
| 15:07.55 | themill | Xenius: did you look at the bugs page for grep at all? |
| 15:08.00 | russo | anyway, what should i do is there a force reinstall flag for dpkg... something that will just reinstall the package on top of whats already there |
| 15:08.01 | surviver | hello , i totally screwed up apache2 and now i try to "reconfigure" it , anyone know how i can replace all config files back (didnt take backup) i tried to reinstall but kept the same conf files |
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| 15:08.16 | themill | !tell surviver about confmiss |
| 15:08.24 | themill | !tell russo about reinstall |
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| 15:09.06 | Xenius | themill, no, but looking at this moment... |
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| 15:09.39 | russo | i'm still getting E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) :S |
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| 15:09.52 | tweakism | Is debain-multimedia stable? I'm tracking stable, w/ testing and unstable pinned so I can install from them if desired. where should I pin debian-multimedia in relation to these, for my desktop? Should I prefer debian-multimedia above stable? |
| 15:10.20 | russo | the rpoblem start earlier actually... can i force a reinstall so that it writes overtop of whats there? |
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| 15:10.55 | Xenius | just found out that there are already 2 bugreports outstanding about it... |
| 15:11.05 | amirf | hi, how can i delete a non empty directory |
| 15:11.05 | Hilikus | hi guys |
| 15:11.13 | Hilikus | amirf rm -r |
| 15:11.14 | russo | rm -r? |
| 15:11.21 | Hilikus | how do i make anacron take care of my user crontabs?? they are stored in /var/spool/cron but anacron only executed /etc/cron.* |
| 15:11.43 | russo | amirf: its if telling you the directory isn't empty then you're probably not the owner |
| 15:11.49 | russo | so thats why its not going away |
| 15:11.50 | FastPutty | is java is runing good on debian? fast or not |
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| 15:11.52 | russo | try sudo rm-r |
| 15:12.45 | themill | wtf |
| 15:13.18 | Hilikus | anyone? |
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| 15:14.20 | russo | so is till don't understand i tried this... but it still didn't install over top -> apt-get -y --reinstall -f install asterisk |
| 15:14.21 | FastPutty | is java is runing good on debian? fast or not |
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| 15:14.41 | russo | what kind of question is that |
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| 15:14.52 | russo | FastPutty: where does java run slow or why would it |
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| 15:15.05 | amirf | hi, how can i delete a non empty directory !!! |
| 15:15.20 | lindylex | amirf |
| 15:15.22 | russo | amirf: rm -r directory |
| 15:15.23 | asg | amirf: you've been told |
| 15:15.42 | themill | amirf: rm -rf /path/to/dir #and if that doesn't work, then you don't have the permissions to do so. |
| 15:15.45 | russo | amirf: and if you're not the owner thats when it usually says you can't delte it |
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| 15:16.30 | Hilikus | how do i make anacron take care of my user crontabs?? they are stored in /var/spool/cron but anacron only executed /etc/cron.* |
| 15:16.38 | russo | amirf: just sudo if you know what you're doing... just don't rm -r / :D |
| 15:16.46 | amirf | russo: don't work |
| 15:16.57 | russo | amirf: try sudo rm -r directory |
| 15:17.07 | lindylex | amirf : rm -R /path/to/your/directory |
| 15:17.32 | russo | its def. permissions for amirf |
| 15:17.53 | lindylex | amirf in the terminal go to the direct |
| 15:17.56 | russo | amirf: if your not the owner/ don't have the permissions... you can't delte that folder |
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| 15:18.16 | russo | erm dir* |
| 15:18.35 | lindylex | then check the permission of the folder |
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| 15:18.59 | russo | so i want to cry now... the hints you guys give me via dpkg didn't help... whats the flag to make debian install a package overtop of an existing one replacing all files existing or not |
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| 15:19.01 | slump | hi. where i configure my FQDN in debian? |
| 15:19.29 | FastPutty | russo: i am runing an aplicatin on unix with java, i heard java eprformence on windows is beter, someone can make sure of it for me? |
| 15:19.48 | cpilka | hi folks. i'm not able to open mms streams using rhythmbox. does rhythmbox support mms or must i install any additional packages? |
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| 15:20.26 | wols | russo: unless you answer our questions we can't help you |
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| 15:20.29 | russo | FastPutty: ? how are we supposed to do that... java runs fine on linux... just install the right arch and you'll be fine. All our school's math servers run math apps on java |
| 15:20.47 | russo | wols: so you really want me to paste... np i just think its awaste |
| 15:21.11 | asg | slump: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 15:21.17 | wols | if you know your problem better: feel free to solve it on your own. HAND |
| 15:21.30 | zicho | how do i enable *.rar-support for file-roller? |
| 15:22.15 | syzygyBSD | how can I create a device on reboot with udev? in other distro's I know I could just create the device in /etc/udev/devices/mydevice, what does etch need? |
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| 15:23.18 | slump | asg: i have put my fqdn on /etc/hosts, but when i type hostname -f it doesn't show |
| 15:23.29 | lindylex | zicho: aptitude install ark unrar |
| 15:23.41 | russo | wols ok ok :P here http://pastebin.ca/731960 |
| 15:23.44 | themill | zicho: install the rar and unrar packages. |
| 15:24.04 | themill | lindylex: I'm not sure that ark is really required to get fileroller working ;) |
| 15:24.21 | lindylex | zicho: if you want me to send you the entire string that will enable you to open uncompress just about every file format let me know |
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| 15:24.44 | lindylex | themill: you are correct. just thought hel wanted a gui to go with it |
| 15:24.58 | themill | lindylex: file-roller is a gui :) |
| 15:25.20 | lindylex | file-roller is it like ark? |
| 15:25.43 | themill | lindylex: yeah, it's the gnome thing |
| 15:25.54 | russo | wols: what do you think? |
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| 15:26.17 | lindylex | I use KDE. Do you like it better? What do you think is the best software that does this? |
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| 15:26.46 | slump | asg: so i put my domain on /etc/domainname and it appears in uname -n, but with hostname -f no :/ |
| 15:26.49 | zicho | linylex: i have the unrar-free package, but it fails when i try to extract a *.rar. Is unrar better? |
| 15:26.50 | slump | asg: any idea? |
| 15:26.51 | themill | lindylex: I use KDE. I sometimes use ark for things, but I normally just use the commandline tools. |
| 15:27.12 | russo | lindylex: cli ftw |
| 15:27.15 | lindylex | zicho i think so |
| 15:27.43 | themill | zicho: vastly |
| 15:27.55 | lindylex | themill: ok I like ark because I don't really nee to be in the terminal all the time |
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| 15:28.19 | lindylex | <russo> lindylex: cli ftw ????? |
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| 15:28.50 | themill | lindylex: since the next thing I'm likely to do is configure or compile etc, I'm going to be in the cli soon enough anyway. |
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| 15:29.20 | russo | my point exactly... |
| 15:29.24 | slump | any idea why hostname -f doesn't return my fqdn? |
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| 15:29.28 | Hilikus | i scheduled some jobs using gnome-schedule but those jobs are not executed if the computers off. how do i fix that |
| 15:29.34 | asg | slump: did you read the factoid I pointed you to? |
| 15:29.44 | lindylex | themill: I have no idea what cli is, please explain more. |
| 15:29.59 | __r4z3r | Hello, why do you have the vulnerable and deprecated version of PHP - PHP 5.2.x in your repository as latest stable? I'm sure you should have there PHP 5.2.4 as latest stable, so tell me the reason, because I don't understand |
| 15:30.16 | asg | __r4z3r: security fixes are backported |
| 15:30.19 | slump | asg: yeap i read. |
| 15:30.29 | themill | !tell lindylex about cli |
| 15:30.33 | slump | asg: i set /etc/domainname with my domain. i set /etc/hosts with my domain too. |
| 15:30.36 | asg | slump: no you didn't, it said nothing about /etc/domainname |
| 15:30.38 | slump | asg: uname -n returns the full fqdn |
| 15:30.59 | slump | asg: my /etc/hosts have 127.0.0.1 fw fw.domain.com |
| 15:31.10 | __r4z3r | asg, good news for me, thanks. What about the bugfixes? In PHP 5.2.4 there was about 120 bug fixes and in PHP 5.2.3 were some as well. |
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| 15:31.17 | asg | slump: that's wrong, it should be <ip> <canonical> <alias> |
| 15:31.27 | AbsintheSyringe | how can I upgrade my video driver from unstable resp (using testing) |
| 15:31.36 | slump | asg: hmm i noted now ;) |
| 15:31.41 | slump | asg: sorry for my mistake |
| 15:31.53 | russo | is there a way to make dpkg ignore all errors |
| 15:32.14 | asg | __r4z3r: bugfixes may have been backported before etch went stable but once stable, they are not applied unless they are critical / grave and updated packages generally will only appear when an r+1 etch release occurs. |
| 15:32.18 | themill | __r4z3r: since people spend their time working around the bugs, suddenly fixing them would actually make their machine unstable. |
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| 15:33.56 | __r4z3r | My modern PHP scripts uses PDO and as you can guess the only distribution where they doesn't work is Debian, it is major problem for me, because I have to use another webhosting or change my sources to use only direct database access, there are huge disadvantages of this principle |
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| 15:34.48 | tarrybone | i hope this isnt a dumb question: sometimes packages leave config files when you remove them - a good feature - but if you dont actually want them, is there a dpkg/apt way to remove them? or just rm? is there a problem using rm for that? |
| 15:34.50 | themill | __r4z3r: there are also huge advantages.... it saves you from having to rewrite slabs of code or reconfigure servers every few days when newer versions are uploaded. |
| 15:34.58 | nny | so I am using ubuntu-server right now as an asterisk base, and it's turning into a PIA... we are going to start trying to use Debian for our server base.. any advice on install methods or versions |
| 15:34.58 | nny | ? |
| 15:34.59 | asg | tarrybone: dpkg -P <pkg> |
| 15:35.14 | asg | tarrybone: or use apt-get remove --purge <pkg> |
| 15:35.55 | tarrybone | asg: tyty, somehow i missed that :-/ |
| 15:35.56 | themill | __r4z3r: In the bad old days, distros actually worked like that. If you wanted the security fix, you had to accept the newer version and reconfigure everything too to cope with the new options, different config file or whatever. One of the best things about Debian is that it taught the world that that was both silly and unnecessary. |
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| 15:36.25 | nny | so i guess the main question is there a debian server install??? |
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| 15:36.38 | __r4z3r | themill, I don't think it saves you, nobody is enforcing the users to update, but when It's really needed, the administrator writes me an email "I cannot update until the packages in my Debian will be marked STABLE" |
| 15:36.40 | asg | nny: of course, the regular debian install |
| 15:37.02 | nny | asg: k so I assume it asks what kind of install packages i want |
| 15:37.10 | asg | __r4z3r: it is possible to use backported packages (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 15:37.16 | asg | nny: yes |
| 15:37.20 | nny | asg: is the net install a good one for smaller installs? |
| 15:37.41 | asg | nny: as long as you have a supported net connection and some non-trivial bandwidth, it's the best. |
| 15:37.50 | nny | asg: k thanks for the advice |
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| 15:37.55 | asg | nny: you're welcome |
| 15:37.56 | themill | __r4z3r: it does save you... it used to be that you *were* forced to change versions just to get a security fix. You cannot just choose to ignore security fixes because they are inconvenient for your setup. |
| 15:38.20 | sid | I want to take some data from sqlite database, and make graphs.. with gnuplot or something else maybe. I've never used sqlite or gnuplot for that matter. Anyone know how to do this? My db file is 162kb |
| 15:39.13 | russo | still any ideas guys? http://paste.debian.net/39322 <- i'm going nuts |
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| 15:39.41 | russo | oh hell |
| 15:39.45 | lindylex | why does localhost not work for my local dictionary? I am using kdict |
| 15:39.47 | russo | i just delted the init.d script |
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| 15:40.01 | russo | now it worked :D thanks all... specially you wols ;) |
| 15:40.06 | Xenguy | Hi - I'm reading the lftp man page because it has been awhile since I used it. I'm wondering what the best method is to use lftp to get a directory and all files under it recursively. mget? mirror? Any pointers? |
| 15:40.21 | lindylex | under settings I typed in "localhost" the serve is running |
| 15:40.27 | themill | __r4z3r: are you really telling me that you're relying on features that were only introduced between 5.2.0 and 5.2.4? |
| 15:40.32 | __r4z3r | themill, In my case (I use Gentoo GNU/Linux for desktop and Slackware and FreeBSD for server) the bug fixes are as important as security fixes, but that's not really what I'd like to ask you, because I'd like to ask you why the package with PHP 5.2.4 is marked UNSTABLE, while it's STABLE because the official developers claimed that |
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| 15:40.56 | themill | __r4z3r: stability is also about integration. |
| 15:40.57 | lindylex | "dictd" << this is my server it work I test threw terminal but I get an erro when i fire up the dictionary |
| 15:41.21 | asg | __r4z3r: unstable to Debian means something totally different to what it means to PHP. |
| 15:41.42 | asg | __r4z3r: unstable just means that it hasn't entered stable yet (and won't until lenny is stable) |
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| 15:41.47 | __r4z3r | themill, the PDO in PHP is unusable on Debian with PHP < 5.2.3 and it works with the other distributions (in Vanilla version compiled on my own), that's the major issue |
| 15:42.06 | valdyn | !backports |
| 15:42.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat> |
| 15:43.03 | __r4z3r | asg, uhm, I understand. Directory means file in Debian, Enter means Escape in Debian, ... no logic so far, right? |
| 15:43.36 | valdyn | __r4z3r: i think you haven't thought about what stable means, even for php, sure not for debian, or generally in software business |
| 15:43.38 | themill | __r4z3r: wtf? |
| 15:43.41 | nathan__ | where did you read that |
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| 15:43.55 | asg | __r4z3r: it's the way things are done I'm afraid. |
| 15:44.01 | __r4z3r | valdyn, stable means the software was properly tested and is working |
| 15:44.12 | valdyn | __r4z3r: yea, right |
| 15:44.27 | beardy | +that it is stable. |
| 15:44.30 | themill | __r4z3r: yep, stable, tested and no bugfixes required... |
| 15:44.30 | __r4z3r | valdyn, PHP 5.2.3/5.2.4 *was* |
| 15:44.36 | beardy | Now, what are you on about.. |
| 15:45.17 | supplyanddemand | Is it possible to go "forward" in w3m? What key? |
| 15:45.30 | themill | __r4z3r: php is stable" it means that *php* was tested by the php developers. It doesn't mean that php worked well with every extension that is also packaged, with the databases it is supposed to support, with all the other libraries it is supposed to use in debian etc. |
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| 15:45.53 | themill | __r4z3r: Now, either go and use backports, compile your own (you can make a .deb too if you like) or use another distro. |
| 15:46.02 | beardy | supplyanddemand: By forward you mean, scroll down, or follow a link, or? |
| 15:46.06 | valdyn | __r4z3r: really the only commonality all software released as 'stable' has that its going to get support of some kind |
| 15:46.12 | themill | __r4z3r: There is nothing else we can usefully say here as you are uninterested in learning. |
| 15:46.20 | valdyn | __r4z3r: it sure doesnt make it rock solid or working for everyone |
| 15:46.56 | __r4z3r | themill, If I have a chance to compile it myself on that webhosting server, I would not be here, right? Finally, may I ask *when* it will be marked as stable in Debian Etch repository? Thank you |
| 15:46.57 | supplyanddemand | beardy:oh sorry, I mean like "forward" in firefox -> to a previously visited link. |
| 15:47.09 | valdyn | __r4z3r: never |
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| 15:47.12 | themill | !tell __r4z3r about wir |
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| 15:48.00 | beardy | supplyanddemand: Ah.. not sure it keeps a history like that. But I'd guess typing a "?" will give you the default keys? |
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| 15:48.25 | beardy | __r4z3r: When it's ready. |
| 15:48.49 | __r4z3r | valdyn, that's directly why I don't like Deb, but your opinion differs so much... Do you know Slackware? It's rock stable and it contains PHP 5.2.4, and Gentoo/BSD unix also |
| 15:48.51 | themill | __r4z3r: sorry... the newer version of php with *never* be in etch; it will be in lenny and lenny will release when it's ready. |
| 15:48.57 | supplyanddemand | beardy: Nope, no default keys while typing that. I've looked in several manuals but none mentions this feture. |
| 15:49.10 | themill | __r4z3r: then go and use them and stop trolling here |
| 15:49.13 | beardy | __r4z3r: Then what should you run instaed? |
| 15:49.35 | valdyn | __r4z3r: so don't use debian, its easy |
| 15:49.50 | valdyn | __r4z3r: and the only way surely if you're refusing to learn |
| 15:50.01 | beardy | supplyanddemand: Ok. I can have a look too, though, maybe check if lynx or a version of links does what you want? |
| 15:50.07 | themill | or don't write crufty code that relies on dodgy features that upstream can't get right |
| 15:50.19 | __r4z3r | themill, note that I don't use debian, but the administrator of the webhosting where my client has the site I've programmed does and of course the site doesn't work, because the PDO is not finished yet in PHP 5.2.x |
| 15:50.37 | valdyn | !whine |
| 15:50.37 | dpkg | hmm... whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
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| 15:50.52 | supplyanddemand | beardy: it's not that important, thanks anyway. |
| 15:51.39 | themill | __r4z3r: So you wrote a pile of stuff on a different development environment, didn't check the production environment specs and wondered why it didn't work .... cute. And that's debian's fault too, is it? |
| 15:52.00 | beardy | supplyanddemand: Type "s" and you'll get the history of pages youäve visited. |
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| 15:53.36 | supplyanddemand | beardy: Yes it does display history but not all. If i go from a.com to b.com and then go "backward" to a.com, b.com is gone. |
| 15:54.40 | __r4z3r | themill, not really, I've programmer good application standing on the most modern technologies (DOM, XML, PDO, Templates, etc.) and I'am really disapointed that Debian even in the latest available version cannot be used like a server for it. |
| 15:54.51 | __r4z3r | * programmed * |
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| 15:55.38 | __r4z3r | Debian is so deprecated I wonder the dummies like you lost their mind and use it on daily-basis... |
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| 15:55.41 | valdyn | __r4z3r: would you please stop bitching and either ask for a solution _and_ listen or shut up |
| 15:55.59 | beardy | supplyanddemand: ^h (Ctrl-h) any better? |
| 15:56.11 | themill | yay... some peace and quiet again. |
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| 15:56.57 | supplyanddemand | beardy: That worked pretty well, thanks. Not exactly what I was looking for but it works. |
| 15:56.59 | roler | i'm having a bit of trouble making my power button shut down this linux box of mine nicely. i have acpid installed with kernel 2.6.18... acpi_listen detects the press but it doesn't shut down |
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| 15:58.22 | valdyn | roler: is there an event in /var/log/acpid.log when you hit that button? |
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| 15:58.29 | pygi | hello |
| 15:58.40 | pygi | debian sid, intel pentium M 1.6, laptop is overheating |
| 15:58.43 | valdyn | roler: /var/log/acpid even |
| 15:59.03 | roler | valdyn: yes. It says receved event "button/power blah blah" notifying client 3779 |
| 15:59.16 | pygi | additional info: http://pastebin.com/m54818c03 |
| 15:59.33 | valdyn | roler: /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh exists ? |
| 16:00.25 | valdyn | roler: is the powersaved package installed? |
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| 16:01.48 | roler | valdyn i have no /etc/acpi directory. let me install that package |
| 16:02.27 | valdyn | roler: weird, that is from the acpid daemon |
| 16:02.30 | pygi | anyone have any idea? |
| 16:02.30 | beardy | supplyanddemand: Seems like the lynx keybinding of w3m has a Previous page, like what you want, but can't find it in the default keymapping. |
| 16:02.32 | valdyn | roler: not the acpi package |
| 16:02.39 | valdyn | acpid: /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh |
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| 16:02.49 | beardy | supplyanddemand: Well previous, and forward again. |
| 16:03.08 | supplyanddemand | beardy: Ill have a look at that. Thanks" |
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| 16:03.09 | valdyn | !find powerbtn.sh etch |
| 16:03.10 | roler | valdyn; herm. acpid is installed but that directory is not there lets see |
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| 16:03.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'powerbtn.sh' (1): (/etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh) in admin/acpid. |
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| 16:03.28 | valdyn | roler: someone must have removed it |
| 16:03.42 | Ramonskie | hello iám experience some slow ftp with proftpd the listings takes ages and alsot transfers are real slow. note: i just reinstalled my whole machine and i only use ftp in my network.. does anyone here maby have a idea what it could be? |
| 16:03.46 | valdyn | roler: which would naturally disable the powerbtn doing anything useful.. |
| 16:03.55 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 16:03.55 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 16:04.07 | valdyn | roler: follow that ^^ to restore /etc/acpi |
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| 16:04.40 | roler | wow |
| 16:04.59 | valdyn | roler: you DO know who deleted that, do you? |
| 16:05.04 | valdyn | roler: files don't just poof |
| 16:05.23 | anunah | Can't send a file from phone to PC via bluetooth, what's wrong. Can anybody help me? |
| 16:05.52 | roler | valdyn; well i installed this box two days ago. I upgraded from stable to testing. then upgraded the kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 and then installed acpid by hand. I'm the only one with access and don't recall touching anything in /etc besides apache and php stuff |
| 16:05.55 | valdyn | !tell anunah -about ask |
| 16:06.31 | valdyn | roler: lets see if its there after you follow dpkg's advice.. |
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| 16:06.51 | beardy | supplyanddemand: You're welcome. |
| 16:06.54 | roler | valdyn; it's not... I just did that, it downloaded the file from the net and then re-installed |
| 16:07.05 | valdyn | roler: that's not useful |
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| 16:07.13 | valdyn | roler: READ what dpkg said and follow its advice |
| 16:07.23 | valdyn | roler: just 'dpkg -i file.deb' doesn't do it |
| 16:07.43 | valdyn | roler: oh, i misread.. |
| 16:07.46 | roler | valdyn; i did do that.. Cut and paste |
| 16:07.49 | valdyn | roler: ok |
| 16:07.53 | roler | valdyn; i'm installing acpi-support, maybe thats it |
| 16:08.09 | valdyn | roler: maybe its my system that's fucked there |
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| 16:08.17 | valdyn | roler: acpi-support has a ton of acpi scripts yea |
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| 16:08.17 | anunah | I see. So file sending via luetooth works if i send from PC to phone, but when I try to send it from the phone it writes that sending failed? That my problem |
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| 16:09.24 | valdyn | roler: umm, are you really on debian? |
| 16:09.31 | roler | valdyn; lol. Yes. Okay I have the scripts now |
| 16:10.01 | Xenguy | .oO(Looks like 'mirror -pv dirname' is the best lftp command for recursive directory transfer...) |
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| 16:10.47 | roler | valdyn; "acpi-support - scripts for handling many ACPI events" |
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| 16:11.22 | alex_^_ | would anyone have any guides / packages / infomation - on how to setup a media streaming server over the internet in multiple formats? ie = mpg , quicktime , realvideo, vodcats , pod casts .... etc etc etc |
| 16:11.39 | valdyn | roler: ok, you're right, powerbutton handling moved from acpid to acpi-support too, after etch |
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| 16:14.17 | roler | valdyn; okay back to the drawing board ;) |
| 16:14.22 | itchi | Hi, how do i mount an fs in read only? |
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| 16:14.35 | valdyn | roler: button works? |
| 16:15.19 | itchi | I guess i missunderstand the place where i should specify that 'r' option. I tried mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt/temp -o r |
| 16:15.24 | roler | valdyn; no.. :(. I've got two "notifying client" messages now |
| 16:15.43 | Azar | -r ? |
| 16:15.52 | valdyn | roler: you have the powernowd package installed? |
| 16:16.13 | roler | valdyn; I do yes. I'm seeing if there is a config for it |
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| 16:16.34 | itchi | Azar: I'm trying, moment cause the HDD is dieing :-( |
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| 16:16.42 | valdyn | roler: hmm, i really meant 'powersaved' |
| 16:16.44 | AbsintheSyringe | did you any of you have compiz-fusion and were not able to view video |
| 16:16.54 | valdyn | roler: looking at the new power.sh script |
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| 16:17.24 | the_hammer | hello i have sidux debian unstable i think and looking for help getting alsa upgrades to add to sources.list |
| 16:17.27 | the_hammer | anyone help me? |
| 16:17.39 | itchi | the_hammer: You're on the wrong place :-s |
| 16:17.44 | Azar | itchi: I guess it is -ro |
| 16:17.57 | the_hammer | i need this alsa verion 1.0.15rc1 |
| 16:18.16 | itchi | Azar: I get hard resets right now, i may shut the HDD once :-( |
| 16:19.04 | itchi | bah, stupid hdd |
| 16:19.22 | Azar | itchi: in the fstab the setting for hd (on mine) is |
| 16:19.25 | Azar | /dev/hda2 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 16:19.55 | roler | valdyn; i'll worry about it later, I have to deploy this server now. At least i'm closer! Thanks a lot |
| 16:20.12 | valdyn | roler: alright, i cant see how the new script work right now anyway |
| 16:20.20 | itchi | Azar: I have took an HDD of my other comp that is dieing and have put it into another PC. I just mount it and desesperately hope i may copy some data back |
| 16:20.39 | nny | what do "standard system" packages consist of on a netinstall? |
| 16:20.40 | wols | good luck itchi |
| 16:20.53 | itchi | Bah, i gona setup an daily backup system i feel |
| 16:21.22 | wols | nny: there is no such thing as a "debian standard system" |
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| 16:21.28 | itchi | wols: At this stage, it's sad luck :-( :-( |
| 16:21.30 | Azar | I use a strange small app for backups |
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| 16:21.39 | itchi | Azar: rsnapshot? |
| 16:21.54 | Azar | itchi: no, proshield |
| 16:22.02 | itchi | At least, that's what i use and are happy of it |
| 16:22.25 | nny | wols: it's a checkbox under whattype of packages to install |
| 16:22.36 | nny | wols: as opposed to mail server, web server, laptop etc, |
| 16:22.37 | itchi | Azar: That's not packaged it seems |
| 16:23.04 | Azar | itchi: no I found it three years ago on sourceforge somewhere |
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| 16:23.51 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 16:24.00 | Ace2016 | i installed the nvidia driver the debian way |
| 16:24.03 | valdyn | roler: ok, just fyi, the 2 powerbutton scripts are in /usr/share/doc/acpid/examples/ |
| 16:24.06 | wols | nny: you are mistaken. there is no such thing as a "standard system" there |
| 16:24.07 | Ace2016 | and i don't have an nvidia-settings |
| 16:24.08 | Azar | itchi http://proshield.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:24.10 | Ace2016 | where can i get that? |
| 16:24.16 | roler | valdyn; thanks ! |
| 16:24.17 | wols | !tell Ace2016 about search |
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| 16:24.49 | valdyn | roler: one is supposed to be in /etc/acpi/events/, the .sh just in /etc/acpi/ |
| 16:24.52 | wols | nny: as for what packages are installed by what selection there: man tasksel |
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| 16:24.55 | [1]rati | I want to create RSA key. how to create that? |
| 16:25.00 | nny | wols: nm |
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| 16:25.45 | itchi | Azar: Thanks, i gona put it on my to_test todo ;-) |
| 16:26.08 | helo | i just installed a raid1 system with 2 drives, and i want it to be able to boot off of either... how do i get grub to install to the 2nd drive so that it will boot properly in the absense of the other? |
| 16:26.15 | helo | absence too |
| 16:26.40 | Ace2016 | wols: but the version of nvidia-settings is 1.0+20070502-1 which is a than the latest nvidia driver 100.14.16 |
| 16:26.48 | Ace2016 | wols: but the version of nvidia-settings is 1.0+20070502-1 which is a than the latest nvidia driver 100.14.19 which came later |
| 16:27.06 | wols | Ace2016: are you running sid? |
| 16:27.09 | Ace2016 | yup |
| 16:27.16 | wols | !unstable |
| 16:27.16 | dpkg | hmm... unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>. |
| 16:27.39 | Ace2016 | ok cool, i'm compiling 2.6.23 so i'll install it the nvidia way for that one |
| 16:27.47 | roler | valdyn; thats it!!! Copied those bad boys over and now it works -- without powersaved or powernowd fyi |
| 16:28.24 | wols | Ace2016: have you checked bts yet? |
| 16:28.26 | nny | is there a way to see what version of a package is available without installing in apt? |
| 16:28.33 | Ace2016 | bts? |
| 16:28.42 | Ace2016 | bittorents? |
| 16:28.42 | wols | nny: yes |
| 16:28.46 | wols | !btssmite Ace2016 |
| 16:28.52 | wols | note the chainsaw |
| 16:29.11 | wols | !tell nny about search |
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| 16:29.56 | nny | wols: lol i know about search, but apt-cache search asterisk doesn't say which version |
| 16:30.11 | wols | but apt-cache show does |
| 16:30.15 | irule | apt-get install caching-nameserver says there is not such a thing, what is tis name here?¡ |
| 16:30.25 | wols | itchi: use dnsmasq |
| 16:30.31 | irule | http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_bind9_and_caching_nameserver |
| 16:30.33 | itchi | wols: Why? |
| 16:30.41 | wols | to have a chacing nameserver |
| 16:30.46 | petemc | because it exists! |
| 16:30.48 | itchi | wols: I already use it |
| 16:30.49 | wols | *caching |
| 16:30.50 | itchi | :-p |
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| 16:31.00 | itchi | oh, irule you mean |
| 16:31.09 | [1]rati | I want to create RSA key. how to create that? |
| 16:31.09 | wols | irule: use dnsmasq |
| 16:31.11 | irule | thanks |
| 16:31.23 | wols | [1]rati: key for what? |
| 16:32.04 | nny | btw apt-cache -f is the answer you wanted, trebeck |
| 16:32.09 | [1]rati | wols, I want to use RSA kay for VPN connection |
| 16:32.18 | petemc | irule: that guide is for fedora or something |
| 16:32.21 | wols | rage: which kind of vpn? |
| 16:32.36 | wols | [1]rati: what VPN software? |
| 16:32.37 | [1]rati | openswan can generate that RSA key but its very slow |
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| 16:32.41 | irule | is there a guide for etch/dnsmask?¡ |
| 16:32.49 | wols | irule: there is no guide needed |
| 16:32.54 | wols | install it, use it. done |
| 16:32.55 | [1]rati | so I want different way to do that |
| 16:32.55 | amphi | 'fany'? |
| 16:33.01 | irule | huh? |
| 16:33.02 | petemc | irule: /use/share/doc/dnsmasq/ |
| 16:33.06 | [1]rati | Wols, openswan |
| 16:33.13 | petemc | saucy |
| 16:33.31 | wols | generating rsa keys is ALWAYS slow since it needs real random numbers. generate more entropy |
| 16:33.42 | petemc | real random? |
| 16:33.50 | petemc | itym pseudo random |
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| 16:34.14 | wols | petemc: /dev/random is not really random? |
| 16:34.19 | petemc | no |
| 16:34.40 | nathan__ | computers can't make random numbers without analog input silly |
| 16:34.43 | [1]rati | Is there any other method to do that? or I can generate RSA key from other machine and put there? |
| 16:34.53 | wols | nathan__: there is analog input in /dev/random |
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| 16:35.07 | nathan__ | then it would be really random |
| 16:35.08 | wols | [1]rati: you can |
| 16:35.25 | wols | helo: harddisk accesstimes are analog for example |
| 16:35.35 | wols | mouse and keyboard input are analog (the timing) |
| 16:35.40 | asg | helo: the grunts the microphone picks up when you are on usenet |
| 16:35.45 | helo | hehe |
| 16:35.52 | [1]rati | wols, ok |
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| 16:36.25 | wols | petemc: why isn't the milliseconds between typing on my keyboard not random? |
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| 16:38.08 | asg | wols: there are a few biometric two-factor auth products that use keyboard timings to verify users :) |
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| 16:38.32 | wols | asg: I doubt if you use LSBs that this mehtod would work :) |
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| 16:39.06 | asg | wols: I'm not sure it would work with 90% of our users anyway |
| 16:40.22 | wols | for pretty much any of them, the LSB is not guaranteed and flips "randomly" |
| 16:40.31 | wols | at least that's what the datasheets say |
| 16:40.34 | irule | #dhcp-host=11:22:33:44:55:66,fred ...guys, does this mean that dnsmask is dns AND dhcpd? :s |
| 16:40.53 | wols | irule: it can be if you configure it. by defualt it only does DNS |
| 16:41.03 | irule | kewl |
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| 16:41.08 | wols | and yes, it's a very good dhcpd for a small network |
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| 16:41.38 | irule | I still hate the larning curve :s |
| 16:42.13 | wols | compared to the alternatives, dnsmasq is child's play |
| 16:42.17 | asg | wols: hehe, I misread what you said as ESB (must have beer on the brain) |
| 16:42.22 | enyawix | what about wols dhcp + PXE? |
| 16:42.43 | wols | enyawix: verbs are a wonderful thing. use them sometime |
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| 16:43.04 | enyawix | lol ok |
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| 16:43.33 | enyawix | wols what apps would you pick to setup network booting |
| 16:43.48 | wols | no clue since I don't do it |
| 16:43.54 | enyawix | :( |
| 16:43.58 | wols | but usually it's bootp, tftp, etc |
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| 16:45.11 | enyawix | i know but what combonation works best for debain |
| 16:45.27 | wols | !best |
| 16:45.27 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 16:46.05 | enyawix | dpkg apps that the debian tools will configure |
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| 16:46.54 | enyawix | Women at Play! :) |
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| 16:47.20 | asg | anyone for tennis? |
| 16:47.50 | bitprophet_ | Is there some quick way to determine the highest/last UID assigned on a system (short of manually parsing /etc/passwd)? trying to set up a file for use with 'newusers' and would rather not hardcode UIDs into it if possible |
| 16:47.55 | enyawix | Women's tennis |
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| 16:48.29 | bitprophet_ | I tried, it kept giving me replies in Japanese and Norwegian |
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| 16:48.36 | bitprophet_ | or blabbing about LDAP |
| 16:48.37 | bitprophet_ | :( |
| 16:49.01 | nvz | womens tennis is great |
| 16:49.09 | asg | bitprophet_: do a numeric sort(1) on the first field in /etc/passwd and pipe it to tail -n1 |
| 16:49.40 | bitprophet_ | asg: yea, that's what I'm trying to avoid, mostly for the principle of the thing, not because it's hard :) |
| 16:49.45 | nvz | better than watching cheerleaders.. they still wear short little skirts but when they make those groaning noises as they hit the ball thats golden :P |
| 16:50.05 | bitprophet_ | there's no last_uid() method or anything? |
| 16:50.57 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 16:51.06 | Ace2016 | how do i get xgl? (sid) |
| 16:51.09 | asg | bitprophet_: I'm not aware of one off the top of my head. |
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| 16:51.20 | bitprophet_ | Thanks :) |
| 16:51.29 | Ace2016 | there seems to be no xserver-xgl, also where is x11-xcb? compiz wants it |
| 16:51.48 | themill | bitprophet_: you could look through /usr/sbin/adduser; it's just a perl script. |
| 16:52.04 | bitprophet_ | huh, didn't realize it was, thanks |
| 16:52.17 | wols | Ace2016: there is no XGL in debian anywhere |
| 16:52.31 | wols | Ace2016: you don't need it either using a nvidia card |
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| 16:52.49 | Azar | precious: http://img.worsethanfailure.com/images/200710/error'd/pic00041.jpg |
| 16:53.01 | Azar | I guess that was ment for newbies |
| 16:54.26 | HardDisk_WP | can I find out what files a TFTP server provides without the need of hacking the server? |
| 16:54.45 | ^Timo^ | !dpkg non-fre |
| 16:54.55 | wols | tim__b: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 16:54.58 | Ace2016 | wols: i always got smoother performance even on my nvidia card when xgl was running, it doesn't show on average use, but when lots of apps are running and the cpu is going nuts then xgl keeps everything going nicely but on plain xorg it parts of the screen goes black and stuff, although it has been a while since i've not used xgl |
| 16:54.59 | wols | ^Timo^: |
| 16:55.00 | Ace2016 | brb |
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| 16:56.30 | is-lu-is | hi |
| 16:57.03 | irule | what is a propper lease time for dhcp in a small network? +50 users |
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| 16:57.30 | nvz | irule: more than 250 users? |
| 16:57.40 | abrotman | irule: whatever you want it to be .. there is no hard/fast rule |
| 16:57.43 | irule | less than 60' |
| 16:57.52 | irule | recvommendded? :s |
| 16:57.54 | valdyn | irule: how many available ip addresses? |
| 16:57.58 | nvz | irule: then what difference does it make, you've got enough IPs to go around |
| 16:58.00 | irule | 254 |
| 16:58.02 | valdyn | irule: which policy to assign ip addresses? |
| 16:58.21 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: remember telling me how to do vnc on a *nix box yesterday? All I get is a connection refused due to invalid passwords, tho I'm sure that I'm using the correct password :( |
| 16:58.22 | irule | Im just stating to configure dnsmask :) |
| 16:58.38 | irule | I used to do caching-nameserver with dhcpd |
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| 16:59.06 | valdyn | irule: you can do huge lease times with static MAC <-> ip assignment |
| 16:59.27 | irule | 24 hours perhaps? |
| 16:59.33 | alekz | Hi I want to install smssend from Debian SID, but it depends of libssl0.9.7, but the lastest version of that lib is 0.9.8 what can I do? |
| 16:59.46 | nvz | irule: you could do 24 years with that setup |
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| 16:59.57 | nvz | it doesn't make any difference |
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| 17:00.33 | valdyn | he'll get more than 250 new nics in that timeframe but else, sure.. |
| 17:00.33 | nvz | heh |
| 17:00.58 | nvz | I've never really had to replace a nic..maybe once in my lifetime |
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| 17:01.08 | valdyn | irule: i dont think 1+ hour would overload your network significantly, so that's probably a good lease time |
| 17:01.13 | nvz | was an LNE100tx I think that died on me |
| 17:01.29 | valdyn | irule: i.e. as low as makes sense w/o causing to much traffic |
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| 17:04.14 | valdyn | !info smssend |
| 17:04.21 | dpkg | smssend: (Utility to send SMS messages to GSM mobile phones), section comm, is optional. Version: 3.4-2+b2 (sid), Packaged size: 87 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
| 17:04.21 | nvz | alekz: don't install smssend from sid |
| 17:04.28 | nvz | alekz: sounds like a solution to me |
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| 17:04.42 | valdyn | alekz: i think you got those numbers reversed |
| 17:04.52 | is-lu-is | i have installed an elive distribution but now i want to change the enlightenment to KDE, How can i add more desktops to the gdm or kdm or whatever that elive uses? |
| 17:05.03 | valdyn | alekz: try rebuilding it as in '/msg dpkg simple sid backport' |
| 17:05.05 | Ronin | is-lu-is: you ask #elive actually |
| 17:05.13 | nvz | valdyn: I think you looked up the wrong info |
| 17:05.20 | nvz | !depends smssend |
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| 17:05.24 | dpkg | smssend: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.5-5), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8e-1), skyutils2, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-1), skyutils2 (>= 2.7), libssl0.9.7, zlib1g, libpcre3 |
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| 17:05.28 | is-lu-is | Ronin:yeah, but i have no response |
| 17:05.33 | valdyn | nvz: nah |
| 17:05.34 | rhys | whoot. not banned anymore |
| 17:05.47 | is-lu-is | i will try again in this channel, thanks ;) |
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| 17:05.52 | alekz | let me try valdyn 10x |
| 17:05.52 | rhys | anyone happen to have a nokia n800? |
| 17:05.54 | valdyn | nvz: dpkg is outdated |
| 17:06.00 | Ronin | is-lu-is: well seeing we're debian not elive |
| 17:06.29 | is-lu-is | Ronin: You are right (but debian users know everything :P) |
| 17:06.33 | nvz | why does that say it depends on both libssl0.9.8 and libssl0.9.7 ? |
| 17:06.57 | valdyn | nvz: fucked up package |
| 17:07.05 | valdyn | nvz: autogenerated deps i guess |
| 17:07.07 | abrotman | or different architectures |
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| 17:07.17 | abrotman | rhys: ask a better question |
| 17:07.27 | nvz | valdyn: appears so, as thats not a condition you can really satisfy since the packages conflict |
| 17:07.30 | valdyn | depends on both on amd64 on my actual system too |
| 17:07.47 | nvz | abrotman: thats a possibility I guess |
| 17:07.58 | nny | once i have a stable server up, is there a good program to recreate an installer disk with my software compiled on? |
| 17:07.59 | linkslice | I'm kind of new to Debian -- apologies if this is a dumb question. What would be the difference between these 2 systems? |
| 17:08.03 | linkslice | Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 |
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| 17:08.21 | linkslice | Linux version 2.6.8-4-686-smp (root@lart) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Mon Apr 30 08:15:22 UTC 2007 |
| 17:08.28 | abrotman | one is sarge .. the other etch |
| 17:08.30 | joes2 | is there an irc channel that debian sysadmins use? |
| 17:08.33 | rhys | abrotman! long time no see. So, sage of all that is, im just trying to find someone who owns a n800 that would have a copy of the newest firmware. nokias server is giving me 7kb/s...and its an 80mb file. so i thought in #debian, this enclave of all that is FOSS, the n800 would be popular. |
| 17:08.36 | wols | linkslice: one is a sarge kernel, the other is a etch kernel |
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| 17:08.48 | abrotman | joes2: some of us admin systems running debian |
| 17:08.56 | abrotman | rhys: ah .. not me |
| 17:08.57 | nvz | linkslice: one seems to be running Debian 4.0 686 and the other seems to be running debian 3.1 686-smp |
| 17:09.04 | abrotman | rhys: #maemo perhaps |
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| 17:09.22 | rhys | im there. tried. noone will give me a link for their international mirrors or a direct connect. |
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| 17:09.28 | abrotman | oh |
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| 17:09.37 | rhys | :) im just searching |
| 17:09.42 | joes2 | abrotman: i'm looking to contact whomever is responsible for maintaining debian's wiki |
| 17:09.50 | Jabberwock | Hello. Does anyone know of an issues with upgrading the kernel from kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 to kernel-image-2.6-386 ? |
| 17:09.56 | valdyn | joes2: users maintain it? |
| 17:09.57 | joes2 | i'd like to help them with their spam problem |
| 17:10.03 | valdyn | oh |
| 17:10.10 | Jabberwock | s/an/any |
| 17:10.12 | wols | Jabberwock: not enough info |
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| 17:10.24 | nvz | it also appears the person who compiled that second kernel was slacking.. (root@lart) ? wtf |
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| 17:10.30 | Jabberwock | What info do you need? This is a dedicated machine I'm leasing at a colo |
| 17:10.42 | Jabberwock | Not sure why it's using 2.4.27 since the Debian version is 4.0 |
| 17:10.47 | Jabberwock | (which is supposed to have 2.6.18) |
| 17:10.53 | wols | Jabberwock: who installed it? |
| 17:10.57 | Jabberwock | The NOC |
| 17:11.05 | abrotman | joes2: should be contact info on the wiki |
| 17:11.06 | wols | hit them with a rubber mallet then |
| 17:11.09 | wols | they installed sarge |
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| 17:11.26 | Jabberwock | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
| 17:11.28 | Jabberwock | That's /etc/issue |
| 17:11.40 | themill | Jabberwock: can you see the output of apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 17:11.51 | joes2 | abrotman: i've read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWikiAdministrators |
| 17:11.59 | nvz | !info kernel-image-2.4.27 |
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| 17:12.14 | Jabberwock | themill: http://pastie.caboo.se/105834 |
| 17:12.26 | valdyn | joes2: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWikiAdministrators |
| 17:12.45 | joes2 | seems to point to DSA, which is who i'm trying to reach |
| 17:12.49 | Jabberwock | I recently added http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile to sources.list to upgrade amavis |
| 17:13.00 | abrotman | joes2: they have an email address listed |
| 17:13.04 | themill | Jabberwock: that's etch all right... did they do a upgrade from sarge but not upgrade the kernel> |
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| 17:13.25 | Jabberwock | http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates |
| 17:13.27 | Jabberwock | Is etch stable |
| 17:13.28 | Jabberwock | ? |
| 17:13.31 | joes2 | abrotman: thx. looking for an irc channel first tho |
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| 17:13.37 | nvz | Jabberwock: yes |
| 17:13.40 | Jabberwock | Because I just added that link above and did an apt-get upgrade |
| 17:13.42 | abrotman | joes2: i don't think there is one |
| 17:13.43 | Jabberwock | Which I believe updated libc |
| 17:13.44 | Jabberwock | Hmmm |
| 17:13.55 | themill | Jabberwock: Ahh... |
| 17:13.56 | nvz | Jabberwock: thats only for security updates though |
| 17:13.59 | Jabberwock | I don't want to upgrade the kernel if they did somethign special to it |
| 17:14.03 | Jabberwock | nvz: ah |
| 17:14.05 | nvz | Jabberwock: you cannot upgrade fom etch with that |
| 17:14.12 | Jabberwock | Gotcha |
| 17:14.13 | nvz | Jabberwock: er from sarge |
| 17:14.18 | Jabberwock | right |
| 17:14.22 | themill | nvz: you could accidentally pick up libc though# |
| 17:14.30 | nvz | themill: this is true |
| 17:14.36 | Jabberwock | Is there a way to tell if they tampered with the kernel? |
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| 17:15.17 | joes2 | abrotman: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DSA says there's a private irc channel somewhere |
| 17:15.18 | valdyn | Jabberwock: i think what you need is a proof that they did not, which is impossible |
| 17:15.33 | nvz | Jabberwock: do you know if you are using an actual machine or a VM such as xen? |
| 17:15.41 | Jabberwock | It's a dedicated machine |
| 17:15.46 | nvz | valdyn: don't say impossible |
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| 17:16.17 | nvz | valdyn: we have debsums you know |
| 17:16.30 | Jabberwock | How do I find those and compare them? |
| 17:16.40 | nvz | find what? |
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| 17:16.46 | Jabberwock | The checksums |
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| 17:16.48 | nvz | !info debsums etch |
| 17:16.51 | dpkg | debsums: (Verify installed package files against MD5 checksums.), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.30 (etch), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 17:16.53 | valdyn | nvz: debsums on a compromised system are quite useless |
| 17:16.59 | Jabberwock | Wouldn't that tell me if the kernel package has been modified? |
| 17:17.03 | Jabberwock | Or, the files that it installs? |
| 17:17.05 | themill | !debsums |
| 17:17.05 | dpkg | methinks debsums is a package that will check a packages files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files. |
| 17:17.20 | abrotman | joes2: and private means private .. you wouldn't be able to get into it anyways |
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| 17:17.37 | Jabberwock | ./archives/linux-kernel-headers_2.6.18-7_i386.deb |
| 17:17.40 | Jabberwock | that's all I find in the cache |
| 17:17.50 | nvz | valdyn: I don't think this is a question of if the system has been compromised |
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| 17:17.52 | Jabberwock | No kernel image |
| 17:17.54 | enyawix | debian gps app? |
| 17:18.00 | joes2 | abrotman: oh. its not on freenode i take it |
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| 17:18.09 | nvz | valdyn: just wants to know if it is a standard debian kernel that can be upgraded without breaking a remote system |
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| 17:18.22 | valdyn | nvz: yea, sorry |
| 17:18.22 | merc` | anyone care to recommend an IRCD, or, have a link comparing features of various IRCDs? |
| 17:18.36 | nvz | Jabberwock: it doesn't need to be in your archive to be installed, someone ran apt-get clean |
| 17:18.56 | nvz | Jabberwock: there is no need to waste 150% of the space to install packages by keeping the compressed versions |
| 17:18.57 | merc` | ah, cool, found a wiki entry on comparing ircds :) |
| 17:18.58 | Jabberwock | In that case would debsums help? |
| 17:19.04 | jae | Number 1 reason Debian is not for non-tech-savvy desktop users: gaim needing libhesiod (not even I know if the config is correct, and I have heard of kerberos :P |
| 17:19.07 | themill | Jabberwock: the release notes talk about what you've got to do for sarge->etch and for 2.4->2.6 |
| 17:19.09 | Jabberwock | nvz: Eh.. they should leave that to my discretion |
| 17:19.12 | valdyn | Jabberwock: they wouldnt just install a different kernel with the same name, would they? |
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| 17:19.31 | nico__ | hi |
| 17:19.33 | Jabberwock | valdyn: Well etch is packaged with 2.6.18 right? |
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| 17:19.43 | valdyn | Jabberwock: yes |
| 17:19.49 | Jabberwock | So they either intentionally replaced it with 2.4.27 or they upgraded from sarge but not the kernel |
| 17:20.01 | Jabberwock | If it's the first scenario I need to know why. I'll ask the NOC |
| 17:20.10 | nvz | Jabberwock: you could always md5sum the vmlinuz in /boot/ yourself then wget the same version from a sarge mirror and unpack it without installing and compare |
| 17:20.18 | valdyn | Jabberwock: etch does not even support 2.4.27 |
| 17:20.18 | nvz | Jabberwock: which afaik is what debsums does anyhow |
| 17:20.23 | streuner | nah, there arent ANY 2.4.x kernels in etch/stable anymore |
| 17:20.24 | Jabberwock | hmmm |
| 17:20.35 | valdyn | Jabberwock: that sounds like they did a broken sarge->etch upgrade? or someone did |
| 17:20.36 | Jabberwock | 93af1862ce24381f78c7fa2a6f90fc74 |
| 17:20.49 | Jabberwock | gonna get the package |
| 17:20.50 | Azar | if they were running sarge with a 2.4.x kernel and upgraded to etch.... for sure they never bothered upgrading the kernel before or after |
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| 17:21.20 | nico__ | i tried to install xfce but i guess i forgot to do something, since X won't start anymore at boot (removed gnome)... do i have to do something to tell X that it shouldn't try starting gnome anymore but xfce instead ? |
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| 17:21.24 | streuner | well, did you read release notes about? |
| 17:21.38 | valdyn | nico__: how do you start X ? |
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| 17:22.01 | valdyn | nico__: maybe you just removed 'gdm' |
| 17:22.01 | nico__ | valdyn, well it's supposed to start at boot, normal debian install |
| 17:22.15 | valdyn | nico__: is the 'gdm' package still installed? |
| 17:22.26 | nico__ | nope, but what is it needed to use xfce? |
| 17:22.35 | Azar | Jabberwock: most often people never bothered to edit the /sources.list to change the "stable" stanza, and if they were running Sarge, when Etch came out as stable, all update/upgrade were taken from the new stable: Etch |
| 17:22.49 | valdyn | nico__: nothing else is needed to use xfce, but I still recommend you reinstall gdm |
| 17:22.59 | valdyn | nico__: to get your old login screen |
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| 17:23.26 | Ace2016 | install kdm :) |
| 17:23.29 | Ace2016 | and kde |
| 17:23.35 | Jabberwock | Azar: It all points to stable... |
| 17:23.37 | nico__ | okay... do i need to do something after apt-getting xfce to make X (or gdm or whatever) use it? |
| 17:23.37 | Ace2016 | because everyone loves kde |
| 17:23.37 | nvz | Ace2016: go kill yourself :p |
| 17:23.42 | Ace2016 | :D |
| 17:23.46 | valdyn | nico__: just install gdm |
| 17:24.03 | Azar | Jabberwock: which is wrong now. it should point to "sarge" if sarge was the intended version |
| 17:24.11 | valdyn | nico__: gdm has a 'Session' button to pick xfce or whatever or the default X session, which might be Xfce now |
| 17:24.15 | nvz | that new menu system they are working on.. raptor I think its called is fugly |
| 17:24.26 | lindylex | nico__: do this "aptitude install kdm" |
| 17:24.31 | valdyn | hell no |
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| 17:24.35 | Ace2016 | nico__: install kdm, then its automaticly set to run on startup |
| 17:24.36 | nico__ | lindylex, no thanx :) |
| 17:24.37 | valdyn | dont give him fucked up advice |
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| 17:24.59 | Ace2016 | no kde and kdm are better |
| 17:25.00 | valdyn | nothing against kdm, but pulling qt and depends is probably not what he wants |
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| 17:25.17 | nvz | its like the new windows vista menu that has a scroll bar and tree style menus.. they thought that shit looked neater.. but actually it just makes it more work to find what you are looking for.. the old menus dating back to win95 only took one click on the start button and all the rest was hovering over stuff |
| 17:25.19 | lindylex | nico__: do this "aptitude install gdm" I meant gdm! |
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| 17:25.29 | joes2 | abrotman: i'll try sending them an email. thx for your time |
| 17:25.31 | nvz | now you gotta click to open categories, to scroll..etc its a pita |
| 17:25.34 | abrotman | no problem |
| 17:25.34 | debianewbie | Hi I've installed gpgp but it says the daemon is not running.... wich daemon should I install? I already have gnupg |
| 17:25.42 | Jabberwock | Azar: apt-get dist-upgrade does nothing |
| 17:25.43 | nico__ | i installed it... reboot in progress... |
| 17:25.44 | Jabberwock | If that matters |
| 17:26.02 | Azar | Jabberwock: first find out exactly what Debian Version |
| 17:26.02 | valdyn | nico__: '/etc/init.d/gdm start' would have been sufficient |
| 17:26.03 | lindylex | <Ace2016> no kde and kdm are better I agree more like kdm-core and kde-core is better. |
| 17:26.06 | nvz | the new KDE menu looks like you gotta run a damn search engine to find categories.. which means you really go to work |
| 17:26.14 | Jabberwock | Azar: /etc/issue* says 4.0 |
| 17:26.28 | nico__ | valdyn, just wanted to make sure it was well integrated into the distro :) |
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| 17:26.44 | Azar | Jabberwock: oh so it is Etch. Then try installing the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 17:26.50 | nico__ | valdyn, well reboot is over, it booted straight into gnome |
| 17:27.00 | valdyn | nico__: that's not gnome |
| 17:27.06 | valdyn | nico__: that's your gdm login screen |
| 17:27.06 | nvz | who the hell wants to click into a search box then use the keyboard to type names of shit.. might as well just replace the menu with a run dialog and make users specify absolute paths to binaries |
| 17:27.08 | nico__ | valdyn, maybe that's because i used automatic login when i was using gnome? |
| 17:27.17 | valdyn | nico__: yes |
| 17:27.19 | Jabberwock | Azar: Alright. Gotta cross my fingers and hope they didn't do something to bastardize the 2.4.27 one that's installed |
| 17:27.27 | valdyn | nico__: that and you didn't actually ever remove gnome |
| 17:27.34 | Azar | Jabberwock: knowing the cpu specs, do a apt-cache search linux-image and find from the list the exact kernel line you will install |
| 17:27.39 | valdyn | nico__: run gdmsetup |
| 17:27.42 | nvz | leave the old drop-down pull-out menus alone people.. they are fine.. |
| 17:27.59 | Azar | Jabberwock: and try using "aptitude install .. " hopefully all wrongs will be repaired |
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| 17:28.05 | Jabberwock | It's gonna remove hotplug |
| 17:28.10 | Jabberwock | Azar: Is aptitude GUI? |
| 17:28.13 | valdyn | nico__: needs to be run as root, use 'sux' or 'sudo' to run an X app as root |
| 17:28.17 | Azar | Jabberwock: no, command line as root |
| 17:28.20 | Jabberwock | ah cool |
| 17:28.41 | nvz | Jabberwock: it has a Curses UI, (CUI) if run without arguments |
| 17:28.52 | Azar | after new kernel install run a aptitude update / aptitude upgrade, hopefully all wrong packages will be removed and the right ones installed |
| 17:28.58 | nvz | Jabberwock: other wise its Command-Line (CLI) like apt-get |
| 17:29.06 | Jabberwock | I see that. Very cool |
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| 17:29.17 | valdyn | nico__: actually you can just logout and do this from the gdm login screen too, whatever you like |
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| 17:29.41 | tuv | any comments/openions on asciidoc vs. docutils? |
| 17:29.53 | nico__ | okay it worked... thanks all |
| 17:30.16 | nico__ | doesn't xfce have its own DM though? or is there a desktop-independant DM? |
| 17:30.16 | nvz | !opinions |
| 17:30.16 | dpkg | opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public, or be prepared to defend yours if you do show it in #debian. Your opinion, not your asshole. Well, maybe both. |
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| 17:30.26 | Jabberwock | downloading now |
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| 17:30.45 | Azar | nvz: change "arseholes" with "farts" |
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| 17:30.48 | nvz | nico__: none of the dms are desktop dependant |
| 17:31.32 | Jabberwock | I take it hotplug has been superceded |
| 17:31.38 | nvz | nico__: GDM uses GTK (like xcfe) KDM uses QT (like kde) and XDM is straight up xlibs afaik.. then there is WDM which I never used and sounds nasty |
| 17:31.47 | Azar | Jabberwock: new is "udev" |
| 17:31.47 | tuv | nvz, i'm not showing my opinion nor defending it. i'm looking for people's |
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| 17:32.00 | nvz | tuv: right |
| 17:32.11 | nico__ | nvz, well maybe not "dependant" but gdm stands for "gnome dm" and kdm for "kde dm" don't they? |
| 17:32.13 | Jabberwock | Ah I see that now. Thanks. |
| 17:32.17 | Jabberwock | And this autoconfigures grub, right? |
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| 17:32.29 | nico__ | any xfce fan here btw? |
| 17:32.29 | tuv | nvz, how generous |
| 17:32.31 | Jabberwock | auto-updates I should say |
| 17:32.44 | Azar | Jabberwock: un never used such |
| 17:32.56 | tuv | nvz, unfortunately, that wasn't on the menu |
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| 17:33.03 | valdyn | nico__: xfce and gnome and gdm share using the gtk toolkit, they don't share using the gnome libraries |
| 17:33.11 | nvz | nico__: so, gnome has been unofficially associated with GTK for a long time |
| 17:33.35 | valdyn | nico__: if xfce isnt in the menu, you probably haven't installed it |
| 17:33.41 | nvz | nico__: if you want xfce to have its glory, tell its devs to invent their own toolkit |
| 17:33.43 | Jabberwock | Looks like it does |
| 17:33.46 | nico__ | valdyn, nope it's working thanks |
| 17:33.47 | Jabberwock | Here goes nothing. Thanks guys |
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| 17:34.15 | nico__ | nvz, you a fan of reinventing the wheel? :) |
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| 17:34.34 | nvz | nico__: are you a fan of not using the wheel? |
| 17:34.48 | nico__ | nvz, truth is: there is no wheel |
| 17:35.00 | nvz | nico__: I'd have to hear this one sometime.. |
| 17:35.10 | Seb | so, what's the simplest way to know if a package is installed or not ? |
| 17:35.16 | Seb | i'd rather not use grep ;) |
| 17:35.17 | Ace2016 | lets reinvent the wheel? what do you say? we could start with a perfect circle and work from there |
| 17:35.24 | nvz | the "there is no ass" rant from Rob Reiner in the movie "Story Of Us" was interesting |
| 17:35.36 | Seb | i suspect there is a simpler way, some command whose return code would directly tell me whther or not it's installed |
| 17:35.47 | nvz | but I can't say I heard the "there is no wheel" one |
| 17:36.23 | Seb | no one ? :) |
| 17:37.19 | asg | Seb: just write your own command, you could have done it in the time you spend here. |
| 17:37.27 | dondelelcaro | Seb: grep actually is one of the simplist ways |
| 17:37.28 | matusz | what soft can I use on 2.6.22 kernel to grab video through ieee1394 port until kino and dvgrab catch up to the new API? |
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| 17:37.54 | Seb | dondelelcaro: ok, I thought there might have been something more direct |
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| 17:37.58 | dondelelcaro | Seb: but you really shouldn't be testing for a package to be installed; you should be testing for whatever binaries that the package provides to be installed. Use dependencies if you care whether a package is installed |
| 17:38.17 | Seb | asg: as I said, I have a command that does that. I'm looking at not reinventing the wheel here. |
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| 17:38.45 | Seb | dondelelcaro: well, my package depends on foo|bar, and its postinst has to do different things depending on whether it's foo or bar that's installed |
| 17:38.49 | tuv | how can i test for a binary that can be anywhere in the path and not necessarily /usr/bin? |
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| 17:38.58 | asg | Seb: it is likely a wheel that didn't need to be invented in the first place since the solution is rather trivial |
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| 17:39.08 | Jabberwock | 2.6.18-5-486.. seems to be working |
| 17:39.20 | nvz | asg: what is that, hire a mexican? |
| 17:39.42 | Haris | Hello people |
| 17:39.52 | Haris | Do we have to 'activate' /etc/rc.local on etch? |
| 17:39.53 | dondelelcaro | Seb: don't check whether foo or bar is installed; check the behavoir that foo or bar provides |
| 17:39.56 | dondelelcaro | Haris: no |
| 17:39.58 | asg | Haris: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 17:40.11 | nvz | Haris: what rc.local? |
| 17:40.13 | Seb | dondelelcaro: i see, you got a point there |
| 17:40.17 | Seb | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot ! |
| 17:40.20 | Haris | # In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution |
| 17:40.20 | Haris | # bits. |
| 17:40.20 | asg | nvz: bsd hackery |
| 17:40.24 | Haris | -> /etc/rc.local |
| 17:40.34 | nvz | ah |
| 17:41.04 | dondelelcaro | Seb: np |
| 17:41.24 | Haris | lol @ initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
| 17:41.24 | dondelelcaro | Seb: I'm assuming of course that it's possible to actually do that; there are cases where it's not |
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| 17:41.49 | Seb | dondelelcaro: in this one case, it will be possible to do so, and I do agree it's better to handle it like that |
| 17:41.50 | nvz | I need two BSDs one to poop on and one to cover it up with |
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| 17:42.25 | Haris | nvz: I'd say the same for debian |
| 17:42.31 | twobitsprite | hmm... it seems as though iceweasel doesn't know how to display tiff files... is there a plugin package in debian for this? |
| 17:42.34 | Haris | Just to cheer you up |
| 17:42.35 | Haris | lol |
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| 17:42.46 | nvz | Haris: blasphemer! leave before we burn you at the stake |
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| 17:42.56 | Jabberwock | Hmm. Is there a debian package for the netfilter pack-o-matic patches? |
| 17:43.03 | Jabberwock | I don't see any in /lib/modules/kernel/net/netfilter |
| 17:43.11 | fuzzy_logic | hi people |
| 17:43.15 | Jabberwock | At least not connlimit |
| 17:43.19 | Haris | oops |
| 17:43.29 | Haris | That was //me |
| 17:43.33 | fuzzy_logic | i was wondering.. how can you see in the terminal what version of debian is installed on the current system? |
| 17:43.36 | Jabberwock | mirc.. wow. |
| 17:43.44 | Jabberwock | fuzzy_logic: cat /etc/issue |
| 17:43.50 | abrotman | !version |
| 17:43.50 | Jabberwock | Unless it's been tampered with |
| 17:43.51 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 17:43.54 | Haris | How do I disable the default |
| 17:43.55 | Jabberwock | and those :D |
| 17:43.57 | Haris | banner on login? |
| 17:44.04 | fuzzy_logic | Jabberwock: thanks |
| 17:44.05 | Haris | its not in /etc/issue* |
| 17:44.11 | Haris | its not in .bashrc |
| 17:44.18 | Jabberwock | Haris: I was talking to fuzzy_logic |
| 17:44.23 | Jabberwock | I don't know what you're asking |
| 17:44.31 | Ace2016 | is there ever a version of debian? why not just cat /etc/apt/sources.list and see where the repos are from |
| 17:44.34 | Haris | When one log's in, a banner or msg is shown |
| 17:44.34 | twobitsprite | !motd |
| 17:44.34 | dpkg | motd is, like, the Message Of The Day |
| 17:44.41 | twobitsprite | /etc/motd? |
| 17:44.47 | Haris | right! |
| 17:44.50 | Jabberwock | Haris: /etc/issue.net |
| 17:44.52 | Haris | forgot the word altogether |
| 17:44.53 | Jabberwock | And /etc/otd |
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| 17:44.54 | Jabberwock | motd |
| 17:45.00 | Haris | its motd |
| 17:45.07 | Haris | issue* are empty |
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| 17:45.29 | Jabberwock | I think issue.net might've been for telnet or something |
| 17:45.29 | Hilikus | is it dangerous if i create a symlink from /etc/cron.daily to the user's crontables (/var/spool/cron/crontabs) since root will run cron and therefore the user crontabs? |
| 17:45.32 | twobitsprite | dpkg: motd is also /etc/motd |
| 17:45.32 | dpkg | okay, twobitsprite |
| 17:45.36 | Haris | finally! |
| 17:45.39 | Haris | got rid of that |
| 17:45.40 | nvz | issue is shown before login, motd is after |
| 17:45.44 | robboplus | can someone please tell me how to detect attacker's mac address? does it go over tcp/ip so i can sniff it from packets he sends my way? |
| 17:45.47 | fuzzy_logic | another question.. is it possible to upgrade debian to etch on a openvz kernel? |
| 17:45.49 | Jabberwock | nvz: Not with ssh |
| 17:45.52 | Jabberwock | At least not that I can see |
| 17:46.05 | nvz | Jabberwock: motd is def shown with ssh |
| 17:46.19 | Jabberwock | Right |
| 17:46.20 | nvz | Jabberwock: issue is local only |
| 17:46.21 | Jabberwock | Talking about issue |
| 17:46.26 | Jabberwock | ah |
| 17:46.29 | Jabberwock | What about issue.net? |
| 17:46.40 | nvz | Jabberwock: I have no idea. |
| 17:46.42 | Jabberwock | I know it used to show for telnet connections |
| 17:46.45 | Jabberwock | I think it's bunk now. |
| 17:46.54 | twobitsprite | !bunk |
| 17:46.54 | dpkg | methinks bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
| 17:46.55 | nvz | not if you use telnet I guess |
| 17:47.09 | Jabberwock | I should. |
| 17:47.10 | Jabberwock | Screw ssh |
| 17:47.15 | nvz | heh |
| 17:47.30 | nvz | screw irc clients too.. use telnet |
| 17:47.35 | nvz | real men speak IRC protocol |
| 17:47.37 | Jabberwock | Indeed |
| 17:47.43 | Haris | naw |
| 17:47.44 | Haris | lol |
| 17:47.51 | Haris | real people use assembly to communicate |
| 17:47.54 | twobitsprite | privmsg #debian nvz: that's right! |
| 17:47.59 | Haris | *rofl* |
| 17:48.01 | Jabberwock | Assembly doesn't assemble on the fly :P |
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| 17:48.14 | DustyDingo | any idear which debian package includes the latex package pstree? |
| 17:48.18 | DustyDingo | pstricks doesn't |
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| 17:48.35 | nvz | Haris: too bad asm and machine code are platform specific |
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| 17:48.56 | Haris | aww |
| 17:49.04 | twobitsprite | nvz: that's like complaining the engines are car specific... :P |
| 17:49.13 | Haris | what was that pic pasting site? |
| 17:49.14 | Haris | !paste |
| 17:49.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 17:49.25 | nvz | thats like an african, a jew and a white supremisit trying to come to an agreement |
| 17:49.29 | Haris | I had it the other way around |
| 17:49.48 | Haris | The webpage you requested has not been configured on this server! |
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| 17:50.51 | nvz | twobitsprite: not really.. you can't communicate if you don't speak the same language or have a pidgin or a translator |
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| 17:51.21 | Haris | The image “http://www.domain.net/squid-error.PNG” cannot be displayed, because it contains errors. |
| 17:51.44 | twobitsprite | nvz: different platforms don't need to communicate in machine code |
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| 17:51.52 | nvz | my example sucked though cause if I wanted to be all stereotypically racist I could tell you how a black man, a jewish man, and a white supremisist could agree |
| 17:52.03 | nvz | however I shall refrain |
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| 17:52.28 | Haris | fixed |
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| 17:53.44 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
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| 17:53.51 | nvz | a simple hello works |
| 17:53.55 | nvz | we speak english |
| 17:53.58 | wandaa | I need help with apt-get! |
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| 17:54.03 | twobitsprite | !fr |
| 17:54.04 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:54.06 | wandaa | I JUST got it installed today.... |
| 17:54.16 | wandaa | and it keeps on asking for cds... and I dont want to use cds... |
| 17:54.18 | wandaa | I want to use the internet |
| 17:54.21 | wandaa | (which I have) |
| 17:54.34 | Ace2016 | wandaa: have you used synaptic? |
| 17:54.46 | wandaa | haven't used anything really :F |
| 17:54.56 | Jabberwock | Haris: http://pastie.caboo.se/105851 |
| 17:54.57 | nvz | french is a language I may never understand.. I certainly can't speak it.. I got the rolling Rs and stuff down for spanish.. but I can't make a lot of the french sounds |
| 17:54.59 | wandaa | I have ubuntu on my main computer, in dual boot with vista... |
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| 17:55.01 | twobitsprite | wandaa: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove (or comment out) the line for the cdrom |
| 17:55.05 | wandaa | and its been here for like a month |
| 17:55.15 | twobitsprite | nvz: hold your nose |
| 17:55.16 | wandaa | thanks =) |
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| 17:55.42 | Haris | Jabberwock: doesn't make a wee bit sense to me |
| 17:55.44 | Haris | hehe |
| 17:55.44 | nvz | twobitsprite: german is hard too.. sounds like they are hawking up flem to spit at you sometimes |
| 17:55.48 | Jabberwock | er http://pastie.caboo.se/105852 |
| 17:55.51 | Jabberwock | Compile and run it :P |
| 17:56.16 | twobitsprite | nvz: depends on what part of germany, from my understanding... and most people in modern germany soften those sounds |
| 17:56.17 | Jabberwock | ./blah |
| 17:56.18 | Jabberwock | You are my hero, Haris! |
| 17:56.19 | Jabberwock | :P |
| 17:56.32 | nvz | there was a name I was trying to say.. can't remember it now.. but it was french.. it was bugging me for like two weeks.. I kept trying to say it the right way and couldn't get it |
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| 17:57.05 | Jabberwock | nvz: Retreat? |
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| 17:57.23 | nvz | twobitsprite: apparently they realized giving other nations the impression you were about to spit in their faces wasn't the message you want to send |
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| 17:58.14 | nvz | though I've seen videos online of people spitting in performers faces from the crowd.. apparently thats acceptable some places.. and the performers aren't suppose to wipe it off.. shows disrespect |
| 17:58.18 | wandaa | oh yes... I have one more question (I installed debian for the first time today, and probably the hardest possible way to install.... don't get frustrated) |
| 17:58.33 | wandaa | how do I CLOSE gnome? So I can drop down to init 3 instead of init 5? |
| 17:58.43 | wandaa | my computer has some 850mHz and 128mb ram |
| 17:58.47 | wandaa | that is why I would like it |
| 17:58.51 | xingu | nvz: kinky |
| 17:58.51 | twobitsprite | wandaa: init 3 should work |
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| 17:59.00 | twobitsprite | er |
| 17:59.02 | Haris | wandaa: haha! |
| 17:59.04 | Ace2016 | ctrl+alt+f1 and su, then root password, then /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 17:59.11 | twobitsprite | wait... debian defaultsd to init 2 |
| 17:59.14 | Haris | j/k |
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| 17:59.24 | Ace2016 | i mean gdm |
| 17:59.25 | Haris | !noX |
| 17:59.25 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 17:59.28 | Haris | hmm |
| 17:59.39 | fuzzy_logic | how can i change the language of my system in the terminal? |
| 17:59.49 | Ace2016 | omg, no runlevels? |
| 17:59.50 | wols | !tell fuzzy_logic about locales |
| 18:00.01 | wandaa | I've done that already twobitsprite and Ace2016... but gnome just keeps on popping up @ ctrl + alt + f7 always =( |
| 18:00.04 | wandaa | Im a nub, I know |
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| 18:00.05 | wols | Ace2016: there are runlevels as you can plainly see |
| 18:00.06 | wandaa | help me pls =) |
| 18:00.06 | fuzzy_logic | thanks wols |
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| 18:00.26 | wols | !tell wandaa about nodm |
| 18:00.42 | wandaa | ohhhh |
| 18:00.50 | wandaa | thats bad for me... :( |
| 18:00.52 | wandaa | oh wells |
| 18:01.01 | wols | wandaa: what is bad fo your? |
| 18:01.10 | nvz | xingu: eh not in my book.. spitting isn't cool no matter what the circumstance. I've seen this in porn too.. girls who are constantly spitting on the guy during fellatio.. thats not cool |
| 18:01.13 | wols | also, use xfce or another more lightweight desktop than gnome |
| 18:01.22 | Haris | wandaa: I didn't laugh on you. and certainly not for not knowing how to not go into X |
| 18:01.35 | Haris | I laughed because how we have to control -> not having X |
| 18:01.49 | Haris | There's no specific rnulevel already setup for it |
| 18:01.52 | Haris | It has to be setup |
| 18:01.59 | Haris | or just remove the X packages |
| 18:02.02 | Haris | like dpkg tells |
| 18:02.13 | wandaa | its bad for me, since I'm hoping to get this computer to run as a server, at least for a while now |
| 18:02.22 | wandaa | and its got very low specs, and I got it for free =) |
| 18:02.26 | twobitsprite | Haris: or, you can, "like dpkg tells" put "false" in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 18:02.26 | wols | wandaa: I already told you via dpkg what to do |
| 18:02.47 | Haris | its always ready to blow up in people's faces |
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| 18:03.01 | wandaa | I know =) |
| 18:03.04 | Haris | twobitsprite: =) |
| 18:03.04 | wandaa | thank you for that |
| 18:03.11 | wandaa | bu was just answering someone who asked |
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| 18:14.59 | Haris | my keyboard acts all funny in etch in vmware. the arrow keys don't move the cursor in vi but rather insert characters, like A and D |
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| 18:16.26 | Haris | Forgot to remove vim-tiny and install vim |
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| 18:18.16 | ciel | lut |
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| 18:18.53 | edwin_quijada | where can I find the kernel headers for 2.4.27 kernel |
| 18:19.11 | wols | edwin_quijada: same place you got your kernel from |
| 18:19.31 | asg | or run m-a prepare (if you are running the 2.4.27 kernel in question) |
| 18:20.15 | edwin_quijada | I dont appear in repositorio |
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| 18:21.28 | wols | edwin_quijada: it does. in sarge |
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| 18:22.49 | edwin_quijada | wols |
| 18:23.22 | edwin_quijada | i try with apt-get but it doesnt appear |
| 18:23.32 | wols | I told you: sarge |
| 18:23.56 | edwin_quijada | but how sarge , sorry I dont understand |
| 18:24.24 | twobitsprite | Haris: install vmware tools |
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| 18:24.57 | wols | ask your hsoter where they got their kernel |
| 18:25.09 | wols | that's where you can get the ehaders |
| 18:25.16 | wandaa | uhm... |
| 18:25.20 | wandaa | can someone help me... |
| 18:25.23 | twobitsprite | no |
| 18:25.27 | wandaa | I want to set up an ssh server? |
| 18:25.30 | wandaa | using openssh |
| 18:25.38 | wandaa | but its just giving me an error |
| 18:25.40 | wols | wandaa: install it then |
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| 18:25.50 | wandaa | I have installed it |
| 18:25.53 | wandaa | but.... |
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| 18:26.02 | wols | !tell wandaa about error |
| 18:26.05 | wols | !tell wandaa about enter |
| 18:26.17 | wandaa | sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path? |
| 18:26.26 | wandaa | and when I put in /etc/init.d/sshd start |
| 18:26.27 | wols | wandaa: how did you install it? |
| 18:26.34 | wandaa | apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 18:27.15 | wols | !tell wandaa about errors |
| 18:27.35 | wandaa | the error is.... |
| 18:27.43 | wandaa | "no such file or folder" |
| 18:28.00 | wandaa | (I got debian in finnish, not sure about the EXACT translation... sorry) |
| 18:28.21 | wols | wandaa: /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 18:29.07 | wandaa | its up, I think |
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| 18:29.26 | wols | don't "think". check! |
| 18:29.51 | wandaa | Starting OpenBSD secure Shell Server |
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| 18:29.56 | Haris | where's the c compiler on etch? |
| 18:30.00 | wandaa | sshddebian:/etc/initd# |
| 18:30.10 | simonrvn | !b-e Haris |
| 18:30.10 | dpkg | Haris: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 18:30.11 | wols | haris, b-e |
| 18:30.12 | wandaa | that is after the the starting thing |
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| 18:31.22 | Haris | Do I need to install those for a small 4 line c code? |
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| 18:31.26 | wandaa | its working |
| 18:31.30 | wandaa | I connected to it with this computer =) |
| 18:31.38 | wandaa | now.... I gotta make irssi work |
| 18:31.41 | wols | Haris: yes |
| 18:31.45 | wols | !irssi |
| 18:31.45 | dpkg | i heard irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 18:32.28 | twobitsprite | !mirc |
| 18:32.28 | dpkg | methinks mirc is http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/mirc/exploit.html, or sucks festering dog balls |
| 18:32.34 | twobitsprite | :P |
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| 18:34.46 | dailoom | would could be a useful application to access somebody's webcam via this MSN service? |
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| 18:37.09 | twobitsprite | dailoom: eh? |
| 18:37.15 | dailoom | eh what? |
| 18:37.23 | twobitsprite | what are you talking about? |
| 18:37.40 | dailoom | msn service. webcam. watching. |
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| 18:38.01 | simonrvn | careful, he might accuse you of trolling him for asking him a question of him |
| 18:38.20 | twobitsprite | dailoom: obviously. I. didn't. understand. Please explain. |
| 18:38.22 | Ronin | simonrvn: pardon? sundays in ful swing i take it? |
| 18:38.25 | dailoom | simonrvn: what you did right now is breaking the channel rules, moron. |
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| 18:38.39 | Ronin | well that didnt take long |
| 18:38.41 | simonrvn | dailoom: cry me a river |
| 18:38.53 | simonrvn | plonk |
| 18:39.00 | dailoom | simonrvn: why should i? its pretty obvious what kind of loser you are when you dont have channel access |
| 18:39.01 | wols | dailoom: you said "morong" to someone else *gasp* |
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| 18:39.34 | dailoom | and of course, the wols troll joins the flame fest |
| 18:39.45 | dailoom | how could he miss on such a chance |
| 18:39.46 | streuner | hehe |
| 18:39.46 | wols | dailoom: please stop the ad hominems |
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| 18:39.54 | streuner | ignore this troll :-) |
| 18:40.03 | wols | streuner: he gives us german a bad name |
| 18:40.14 | macsim | hi, I uncomment th mysql.log form my.cnt, but /var/log/mysql.log still empty problem from debian or from mysql ? |
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| 18:40.30 | macsim | hi, I uncomment the mysql.log from my.cnt, but /var/log/mysql.log still empty problem from debian or from mysql ? |
| 18:40.30 | dailoom | wols: als ob wichser wie du jemals einen guten namen gehabt hätten |
| 18:40.39 | wand | This is my debian laptop with irssi? is this working? =) |
| 18:40.39 | simonrvn | macsim: can the daemon write to it? |
| 18:40.48 | Ronin | wand: apparently :) |
| 18:40.48 | wandaa | wow, it actually works... |
| 18:40.51 | streuner | !ops dailoom insulting people |
| 18:40.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner complains about: dailoom insulting people |
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| 18:40.56 | wols | !ops please shut up dailoom from trolling. for you english speaking ops: "wixer" = "fucker" |
| 18:40.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: please shut up dailoom from trolling. for you english speaking ops: "wixer" = "fucker" |
| 18:40.59 | simonrvn | wand: hi |
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| 18:41.06 | wandaa | now, all I need to do... is be able to open a connection to both... qnet and this in the same irssi |
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| 18:41.10 | macsim | simmerz, seams the right is rw for mysql |
| 18:41.15 | wandaa | right now, I am using 2 different consoles for that |
| 18:41.29 | Ronin | wand: piece of cake, nice tutorial on irssi.org regardign taht |
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| 18:41.34 | Ronin | even if i cant spell it |
| 18:41.39 | wols | wandaa: /connect <server> |
| 18:41.40 | wandaa | oh, k |
| 18:41.43 | wandaa | I will read that |
| 18:41.47 | macsim | simonrvn, it seams rights is rw for mysql |
| 18:41.53 | wandaa | doesnt /connect or /server just change the server? |
| 18:41.59 | wols | wandaa: no. |
| 18:42.04 | wand | well, I shall try |
| 18:42.05 | wand | brb |
| 18:42.06 | wols | irssi is multiserver capable |
| 18:42.13 | wols | why did he leave? |
| 18:42.28 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 18:43.25 | dailoom | !ops check timestamp. begin of the flame fest: [20:38 CEST] <simonrvn> careful, he might accuse you of trolling him for asking him a question of him |
| 18:43.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dailoom complains about: check timestamp. begin of the flame fest: [20:38 CEST] <simonrvn> careful, he might accuse you of trolling him for asking him a question of him |
| 18:44.12 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 18:44.26 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 18:44.26 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@HSI-KBW-082-212-019-147.hsi.kabelbw.de] by dondelelcaro |
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| 18:44.43 | streuner | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 18:44.46 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: calling people a troll, even if they are being trollish isn't particularly useful either |
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| 18:44.52 | dondelelcaro | streuner: likewise |
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| 18:44.55 | wols | thx |
| 18:45.22 | streuner | dondelelcaro: we call people what they are |
| 18:45.29 | olspookishmagus | anyone knows why the libgoppler-glib1 got BROKEN and what do I need to do to fix it? |
| 18:45.29 | mentor | oh hi don |
| 18:45.33 | streuner | a troll is a troll |
| 18:45.35 | dondelelcaro | streuner: even if they are it's not appropriate. |
| 18:45.37 | mentor | yeah, what he said |
| 18:45.49 | mentor | streuner: Yes, and being bausive is being abusive |
| 18:45.54 | olspookishmagus | trolling about trolls is also trolling |
| 18:46.02 | shot22 | is it safe to share /var/cache/apt/archives via NFS? or is it better to use something like apt-cacher? |
| 18:46.04 | CharminTehM00se_ | mooooooose! |
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| 18:46.16 | dondelelcaro | shot22: not a good idea, no. |
| 18:46.42 | mentor | shot22: /var is per machine variable data, so sharing it is in general bad |
| 18:46.58 | shot22 | ok.. thanks |
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| 18:52.21 | beardy | !mentor-- |
| 18:52.59 | doub_ | hi there |
| 18:53.59 | mentor | beardy: They both did wrong. Just because something provokes doesn't automatically make your response right... |
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| 18:54.11 | mentor | one's |
| 18:54.20 | mentor | you |
| 18:54.26 | mentor | I give up on that sentence |
| 18:54.29 | abrotman | . |
| 18:55.35 | Haris | That code jab... gave me gives no output |
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| 18:57.27 | streuner | dondelelcaro: you should lern some german... |
| 18:57.33 | streuner | s/lern/learn/ |
| 18:57.41 | abrotman | s/.../!/ |
| 18:58.21 | streuner | dondelelcaro: he said in german "wols didnt have/had any time any respect" |
| 18:58.31 | neuro_damage | wow I'm having to make a custom NO SMP kernel for ndisdrivers |
| 18:58.39 | neuro_damage | this is craziness :( |
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| 18:59.23 | kenjy | when are going tu run the /etc/cron.daily/ scripts? at 8? or 12? or when? |
| 18:59.49 | dondelelcaro | streuner: oh, he was definetly being insulting; the problem is that when you respond in kind, you'll be banned as well. |
| 18:59.50 | wols | kenjy: shortly after 6 by default |
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| 19:00.16 | streuner | dondelelcaro: well, he insultet not only one of us... |
| 19:00.17 | wols | neuro_damage: ndiswrapper is crazy too. par for the course |
| 19:00.41 | streuner | dondelelcaro: s/insultet/insulted/ |
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| 19:00.57 | dondelelcaro | streuner: that still doesn't justify returning the favor in kind |
| 19:01.05 | valdyn | kenjy: see /etc/crontab |
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| 19:01.10 | ryx | what |
| 19:01.23 | ryx | what's the recommended size for APT::Cache-Limit |
| 19:01.36 | Haris | This reminds me the long chats I used to have with ops on dalnet a loOong long time ago |
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| 19:02.03 | dondelelcaro | ryx: big enough to handle the number of sources you have; generally you shouldn't have to muck with it |
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| 19:03.00 | ryx | dondelelcaro: well, a friend of mine just got the dynamic mmap error. He's on lenny, with pinning from sid and etch |
| 19:03.13 | wols | !mmap |
| 19:03.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need |
| 19:03.37 | abrotman | ryx: depends how many sources you have ... keep going up til it stops |
| 19:03.48 | ryx | I'm basically on the same setup without trouble |
| 19:04.12 | ryx | heh, go dpkg! |
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| 19:08.41 | Hilikus | why does anacron take care of daily cron tasks?? |
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| 19:09.48 | dondelelcaro | Hilikus: because daily cron jobs should be run daily, and the machine may not be on when the daily cronjob would normally run |
| 19:09.58 | Haris | 1) Can I have squid's cache.log go to cache.log rather than daemon.log? |
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| 19:10.19 | Hilikus | dondelelcaro but anacron wont honour the time i decided in the crontabs |
| 19:10.27 | dondelelcaro | Hilikus: indeed |
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| 19:10.45 | dondelelcaro | Hilikus: if your machine will always be on at that time, you don't need anacron |
| 19:10.51 | Haris | 2) I installed squid 3.0PRE5-5. configured http_port to default port, some basic acls' to allow LAN clients access and cache_dir |
| 19:10.55 | MauL^ | what should I apt-get to compile programs from source? |
| 19:11.09 | Hilikus | dondelelcaro how do i schedule something at a given time but if the machine is off will be run next time you start? |
| 19:11.18 | MauL^ | is there a package containing all these make&gcc stuff together? |
| 19:11.19 | dondelelcaro | MauL^: build-essential and whatever other dependencies you need |
| 19:11.21 | Haris | Its giving me this error -> http://www.harisweb.net/squid-error.PNG |
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| 19:11.32 | MauL^ | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 19:11.43 | Haris | setting debug_options ALL,9 doesn't give me ANY debug output in any log file |
| 19:11.54 | dannys_ | how to see hard disk spase its free on my debian for /home? |
| 19:12.04 | dondelelcaro | Hilikus: so adjust /etc/anacrontab |
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| 19:12.33 | cahoot | dannys_: is /home on it's own partition? |
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| 19:12.45 | dannys_ | cahoot:yes |
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| 19:12.50 | Haris | damnit |
| 19:12.55 | Haris | next time throw chocolate cookies |
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| 19:12.56 | Haris | hehe |
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| 19:13.09 | cahoot | dannys_: df then (man df) |
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| 19:13.15 | mentor | What do you do when life gives you eggs? Make eggonade. |
| 19:13.21 | Hilikus | dondelelcaro if i do it with anacron the script will be run twice if the cron job did get executed because the server was on at the time of the cron job |
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| 19:13.29 | dannys_ | cahoo:df? |
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| 19:13.38 | dannys_ | cahoot:df? |
| 19:13.44 | Haris | THat reminds me, is T4 every going to come out? |
| 19:13.50 | abrotman | mentor: egg nog ? :) |
| 19:14.01 | Haris | no one interested in squids? |
| 19:14.09 | mentor | abrotman: that's the one |
| 19:14.09 | abrotman | can't drink squid |
| 19:14.22 | Haris | eww |
| 19:14.22 | abrotman | eww . pureed squid ... |
| 19:14.36 | Hilikus | dondelelcaro wouldnt it? |
| 19:14.51 | Haris | Any ideas what's going on? |
| 19:14.52 | beh | hi when inserting my pcmcia gsm card which should be a serial modem i get: "pcmcia: the driver needs updating to supported shared IRQ lines." .. Normally I should have it under ttyS1, ... but it's not working, anyone an idea ? |
| 19:15.15 | dondelelcaro | Hilikus: no, the >= daily cronjobs are not executed when anacron is installed |
| 19:15.15 | Haris | I have squid3 and squid3-common installed |
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| 19:17.04 | Hilikus | dondelelcaro but if the cron job is executed once every day, at 3pm. lets say i turn on the computer at 1pm, anacron will run it and then at 3 cron will run it, am i wrong? |
| 19:17.21 | dondelelcaro | Hilikus: read carefully the daily crontab lines |
| 19:17.39 | Hilikus | ooh true, cron wont run daily jobs |
| 19:17.46 | Hilikus | cool |
| 19:17.48 | Hilikus | thanks |
| 19:17.52 | Haris | rc squid3 3.0.PRE5-5 A full featured Web Proxy cache (HTTP proxy) |
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| 19:17.58 | pygi | hello |
| 19:18.02 | Haris | What can I do to make it go from 'rc' to 'un' |
| 19:18.08 | pygi | running debian sid, intel pentium M, laptop is overheating |
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| 19:18.53 | streuner | arent laptops always overheated :-) |
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| 19:19.18 | pygi | streuner, well, this one is getting shutdowned :P |
| 19:19.31 | streuner | hm, did you look at "top" or such? |
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| 19:20.05 | simonrvn | Haris: --purge |
| 19:20.30 | pygi | streuner, what am I supposed to look there? It's overheating even when it's idle |
| 19:20.36 | olspookishmagus | did libgoppler-glib1 got BROKEN on anyone else with lenny too? |
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| 19:20.55 | streuner | pygi: and the fan works? |
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| 19:21.47 | streuner | pygi: did you look at lm-sensors too? |
| 19:21.56 | pygi | streuner, there doesnt seem to be anything in /proc/acpi/fan/ |
| 19:22.00 | pygi | streuner, I could try |
| 19:22.12 | Haris | hmm.. |
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| 19:22.27 | Haris | apt-get remove --purge squid3-common doesn't work |
| 19:22.32 | Haris | apt-get --purge squid3-common doesn't work |
| 19:22.48 | Haris | man page doesn't clarify where it should go |
| 19:22.55 | streuner | show us the whole error and command in paster bot |
| 19:22.58 | streuner | !paste |
| 19:22.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 19:23.11 | pygi | streuner, no idea why there is no fan in /proc/acpi/fan :P |
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| 19:23.24 | streuner | pygi: apt-get install lm-sensors |
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| 19:23.42 | streuner | /usr/bin/sensors |
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| 19:24.02 | streuner | fan1: 1917 RPM (min = 0 RPM, div = 8) |
| 19:24.10 | Haris | Are squid3 and squid3-* stable releases in etch? |
| 19:24.27 | supaman | hey .. I have made my sound completely foobar ... I think the asoundconf set-default-card command did the deed .. how do I fix that one? |
| 19:24.46 | simonrvn | Haris: same version you have |
| 19:24.46 | streuner | supaman: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 19:25.03 | pygi | streuner, ok, gimme a second |
| 19:25.08 | aarkerio | Hi! how can Install xgl on Debian sid? |
| 19:25.15 | Haris | that's strange |
| 19:25.18 | Haris | its not working for me |
| 19:25.26 | supaman | streuner: 2.6.1-1+b1, shared libraries |
| 19:25.26 | Haris | it can't understand the URL sent to it |
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| 19:25.39 | streuner | supaman: cat /proc/version |
| 19:25.59 | supaman | streuner: Linux version 2.6.22-2-686 (Debian 2.6.22-4) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20070812 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-15)) #1 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:24:01 UTC 2007 |
| 19:26.09 | supaman | streuner: its Lenny |
| 19:26.29 | streuner | ok, did you run "alsaconf"? |
| 19:26.35 | wAndyw78 | Hi at all. I have some .h and some .c files in different charsets, "file -i" shows us-ascii, iso-8859-1 ... How can i convert files to a other charset and what is prefered? iso-8859-1 ? Tried already "recode us-ascii..UTF-8 *" but this doesn't work |
| 19:26.36 | supaman | streuner: jup |
| 19:26.42 | streuner | supaman: and? |
| 19:26.46 | supaman | streuner: nothing |
| 19:27.02 | streuner | supaman: the soundcard is supported? |
| 19:27.04 | supaman | streuner: I can use cat file.wav > /dev/dsp1 (I have two cards) |
| 19:27.05 | Haris | What is a failover solution for a webhosting box? |
| 19:27.09 | supaman | streuner: jup |
| 19:27.11 | streuner | o_O |
| 19:27.27 | protoloco | Hello, if i have a server called... vpn.local.9oi.org and has some services running, could i put a Mail server called mail.local.9oi.org ?. i wont have conflicts ? or just i have to tell to the /etc/hosts that i have more hosts.. ? |
| 19:27.34 | streuner | supaman: its possible to configure both, but why not simply use one? |
| 19:27.51 | supaman | streuner: was trying to get my SB Live card to be the default card instead of this onboards thing |
| 19:28.06 | supaman | streuner: yeh ... just using one would be nice .. how do I do that? |
| 19:28.10 | streuner | supaman: just disable it in BIOS? |
| 19:28.15 | streuner | no idea |
| 19:28.16 | dkr | supaman: just di, yeah, what he said |
| 19:28.18 | Haris | cpanel webhosting box |
| 19:28.26 | Hilikus | dondelelcaro one more question. if i do it with anacron, wouldnt it run only once in 2 days if my system is up for 2 straight days?? i understand anacron runs at boot time and not as a daemon |
| 19:28.43 | supaman | streuner, dkr: wont udev still detect it? (well, guess that depends on the bios right?) |
| 19:29.05 | streuner | supaman: simply disable the onboard chip in BIOS |
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| 19:29.11 | dondelelcaro | Hilikus: it runs from cron too |
| 19:29.18 | supaman | streuner: ok .. will try that one |
| 19:29.20 | streuner | supaman: easy way, without headaches |
| 19:29.41 | supaman | streuner: yeh ... was getting a headache ;) |
| 19:29.52 | supaman | ok, thanks .. |
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| 19:30.25 | rdz | hi all. i am running a debian server with separate partitions for / and /home. suddenly i realized, that / is full, whereas /home has lots of space..... is it doable to change partition sizes, while the system is installed? is it even doable, while the system is running? |
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| 19:31.20 | pygi | streuner, Sorry, no sensors were detected. o.O |
| 19:31.25 | pygi | with sensors-detect |
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| 19:31.39 | Haris | simonrvn: does squid3 work for you? |
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| 19:31.43 | streuner | pygi: hm, some chip arent supported |
| 19:31.51 | streuner | pygi: s/chip/chips/ |
| 19:32.00 | pygi | Intel i815 here |
| 19:32.11 | cahoot | don't laptops genreally use /proc/acpi for such as temp? |
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| 19:32.28 | streuner | pygi: try "mbmon" |
| 19:32.35 | valdyn | acpi doesnt disable the sensors, both should work |
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| 19:32.44 | kenjy | is there a way to use a usbpendrive or a sd card like ram memory? |
| 19:32.55 | dkr | rdz: boot a cd distro like knoppix and run gparted to resize while the disk is not in use |
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| 19:33.17 | valdyn | kenjy: that would be stupid, both are magnitudes to slow |
| 19:33.20 | dkr | or maybe you can do it from debian rescue mode from install cd |
| 19:33.23 | xand | why does wget in debian identify itself as IE? |
| 19:33.32 | zenwryly | I'd like a VNC setup where on boot, my server starts an X session for my user account automatically and without interaction and then makes it available to VNC clients over encrypted connections and protected by some sort of authentication. How might I accomplish this? |
| 19:33.38 | pygi | streuner, ok, gimme a second |
| 19:33.39 | rdz | dkr, ok.thank you |
| 19:33.40 | kenjy | valdyn: the usb2 speed its a stupid speed? |
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| 19:33.50 | valdyn | kenjy: slow, way to slow |
| 19:33.54 | streuner | pygi: oh, mbmon doesnt seem to support fans... |
| 19:34.04 | pygi | streuner, oh, ok ... any other idea? |
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| 19:34.08 | kenjy | what about firewire storage devices |
| 19:34.12 | Haris | how do I use --purge with apt-get? |
| 19:34.14 | olspookishmagus | can someone tell me how to capture the output of a aptitude session, like an aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 19:34.21 | pygi | Haris, apt-get remove bla --purge |
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| 19:34.39 | streuner | pygi: what kind of laptop is that? |
| 19:34.39 | olspookishmagus | which stream to capture? |
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| 19:34.49 | dkr | olspookishmagus: dunno, but there is a log of package manipulation done |
| 19:34.52 | pygi | streuner, you mean model? Dont think you'd know it |
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| 19:35.07 | streuner | pygi: yes, manufactor and such |
| 19:35.07 | nny | i have a program that drops udev rules into the udev folder, but they are not getting read.. is there a specific format for debian? |
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| 19:35.11 | olspookishmagus | dkr: which is? |
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| 19:35.15 | nny | right now the rules are called zaptel.rules |
| 19:35.16 | valdyn | kenjy: maybe you could just look at the specification yourself and notice that firewire is way to slow |
| 19:35.26 | pygi | streuner, Forcebook, Intel i815, intel Pentium M 1.6 |
| 19:35.28 | kenjy | ok |
| 19:35.30 | nny | but all others in udev start with a z## |
| 19:35.33 | smhar | greetings to all |
| 19:35.33 | dkr | olspookishmagus: /var/log/dpkg.log shows stuff you installed/removed etc |
| 19:35.35 | kenjy | valdyn: what if I use a scsi raid? |
| 19:35.36 | Haris | pygi: Doens't work for removed packages |
| 19:35.40 | pygi | ipw2200, but that's not usable info for this :) |
| 19:35.55 | dkr | olspookishmagus: there is also a /var/log/aptitude, you mgiht be able to bump up logging level for it |
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| 19:36.11 | valdyn | kenjy: i think youy are maybe talking about swap , not ram |
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| 19:36.24 | Xitium | I have a question but I don't know what it is :) Basicly I'm a total newb and I'm ssh'ing into my box but if I don't do anything for a while it seems to auto close the connection, is there a way to prevent this or change the time? |
| 19:36.30 | olspookishmagus | dkr: neither the one nor the other is what I am looking for |
| 19:37.17 | nny | anyone?? |
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| 19:37.25 | olspookishmagus | I want to come up to something like this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=1345 |
| 19:37.26 | nny | is there an actual debian dev channel or similar? |
| 19:37.44 | olspookishmagus | nny: try the mailing lists |
| 19:37.49 | supaman | streuner: well, did that, the onboard doesnt show up in lspci any more ... but still alsa is foobar |
| 19:37.58 | cahoot | Xitium: try the KeepAlive option |
| 19:38.10 | cahoot | Xitium: in sshd_config |
| 19:38.15 | smhar | I am currently using kernel 2.6.18-686 -I tried .21 but got several ACPI errors- I am trying to install the graphics driver for ati. I followed the fglrx one-liner, but it seems I still do not have it working. lsmod |grep fglrx is empty |
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| 19:38.31 | Xitium | thanks cahoot I'll check that |
| 19:38.43 | streuner | pygi: i815 is supported according to http://www.lm-sensors.org/browser/lm-sensors/tags/V2-10-1/README |
| 19:38.45 | valdyn | smhar: so run 'modprobe fglrx' |
| 19:38.50 | kenjy | debian installer need more than 216mb of ram |
| 19:38.58 | valdyn | no |
| 19:39.03 | xand | kenjy: denied |
| 19:39.05 | pygi | streuner, ergh :-/ |
| 19:39.07 | streuner | supaman: ok, what does BTS say about ALSA? |
| 19:39.12 | xand | ignore me |
| 19:39.20 | smhar | valdyn, modprobe fglrx: FATAL: Module fglrx not found. |
| 19:39.21 | |porta| | with changing the host name of a system after it is up and running will it cause problems? |
| 19:39.41 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 19:39.41 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 19:39.48 | kenjy | xand and valdyn: a p1 at 90mhz, 16mb of ram and 1gb of HD with a swap partition with 200mb kill himself |
| 19:39.53 | supaman | streuner: here is what xmms gives out when started from the console: http://pastebin.ca/732221 |
| 19:40.01 | valdyn | kenjy: swap is not ram |
| 19:40.02 | kenjy | the debian installer kill himself in that machine |
| 19:40.09 | valdyn | kenjy: 16mb ram is not enough |
| 19:40.15 | olspookishmagus | this is what I wanted to come up to -> http://www.pastebin.ca/732223 |
| 19:40.15 | wols | kenjy: 16MB is not enough for debian |
| 19:40.17 | |porta| | dpkg cool! ty |
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| 19:40.29 | Xitium | cahoot, it says TCPKeepAlive is set to yes |
| 19:40.29 | kenjy | wols, valdyn: 216 its enough? |
| 19:40.31 | supaman | streuner: take notice ... the sound worked before I started fiddling around with it and trying to get the SBLive to be the default one ;) |
| 19:40.31 | wols | kenjy: chec sys requirements first |
| 19:40.40 | wols | kenjy: swap is not ram. |
| 19:40.41 | pygi | streuner, also shouldnt a sensor be detected on CPU: Intel Core family thermal sensor... No |
| 19:40.47 | kenjy | wols: why not? |
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| 19:40.56 | valdyn | kenjy: why don't you read on google? |
| 19:40.56 | kenjy | its a slow piece of ram |
| 19:40.57 | valdyn | !swap |
| 19:40.59 | supaman | streuner: silly of me yes ... but this is the mess I have created for myself and am in to deep at the moment |
| 19:40.59 | valdyn | !ram |
| 19:40.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ram is (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running. or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_ ram! Ask about <free ram> |
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| 19:41.22 | kenjy | valdyn: read what? how debian need more than 216mb to install? |
| 19:41.22 | fuzzy_logic | hi.. i have a question.. how can i forward one domain to the www folder of the user fuzzy and the other domain to the www folder of user nr. 2 on my debian server? |
| 19:41.39 | kenjy | fuzzy_logic: mod_rewrite |
| 19:41.40 | valdyn | kenjy: shut up, read up on how ram works and come back after you have a clue |
| 19:41.49 | valdyn | kenjy: claiming that ram is swap is totally silly |
| 19:41.55 | fuzzy_logic | kenjy: what do you mean? |
| 19:41.56 | guillaume | Hello :) |
| 19:41.59 | Sebboh | When I browse to http://localhost/doc/ and try to view a .gz file, like say changelog.Debian.gz, by browser tries to download the gz file instead of displaying the text. ..Do I need to reconfigure my browser, or my httpd? Ie, where does the blame lie? |
| 19:42.17 | wols | kenjy: go and install windows 2000 on those 16MB machine and have fun |
| 19:42.24 | abrotman | fuzzy_logic: go to #apache and ask about mod_rewrite |
| 19:42.38 | smhar | valdyn, do I need to do an extra step? |
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| 19:42.51 | kenjy | fuzzy_logic: set a mod_rewrite rule on your first server redirecting to the second server, each request to the first server its going to be processed by the second server |
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| 19:43.05 | kenjy | wols: I can install NT, 98 or 95 there |
| 19:43.10 | valdyn | smhar: no idea, sorry |
| 19:43.11 | supaman | ahh .. flog it ... I will just reinstall alsa |
| 19:43.13 | maxdoubt | debian is primarily supported by SPI foundation right? |
| 19:43.18 | kenjy | wols: office 97 work fine there |
| 19:43.19 | wols | kenjy: why not? you have 216MB of RAM! |
| 19:43.28 | abrotman | wols: he has 16 |
| 19:43.29 | kenjy | wols: windows don't have a swap partitino |
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| 19:43.34 | abrotman | kenjy: yes it does |
| 19:43.39 | kenjy | wols: go google.com and learn about swap |
| 19:43.40 | wols | abrotman: he has 216, he said so. surely he wouldn't lie |
| 19:43.41 | abrotman | c:\pagefile.sys |
| 19:43.43 | kenjy | wols: then come back |
| 19:43.52 | kenjy | abrotman: don't be stupid, a file its not a partition |
| 19:43.52 | valdyn | !troll kenjy |
| 19:43.56 | |porta| | there is a temp directory in windows... not swap |
| 19:43.58 | abrotman | kenjy: it's still swap |
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| 19:44.14 | abrotman | and you could have a swap partition in windows .. and a swap file in linux |
| 19:44.15 | kenjy | abrotman: yes and a hotweels car its a car like a formula 1 |
| 19:44.27 | streuner | pygi: well, there are other ways then, just listen or use your hand in order to find out the fan is working or not :-) |
| 19:44.28 | abrotman | right .. thought so .. not a clue |
| 19:44.35 | kenjy | windows don't have a swap partition |
| 19:44.36 | valdyn | kenjy: linux does not really carfe if the swap is a file or a partition, both works |
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| 19:44.42 | abrotman | IT CAN |
| 19:44.52 | kenjy | valdyn: a file its slow, a partition its faster |
| 19:44.59 | abrotman | ohffs .. this is useless |
| 19:45.05 | simonrvn | cluebie |
| 19:45.06 | smhar | I have followed the fglrx oneliner to install the ati driver, but I still do not have the module installed: modprobe fglrx: FATAL: Module fglrx not found. Do I have to do another step? |
| 19:45.12 | valdyn | kenjy: insignificantly |
| 19:45.27 | kenjy | valdyn: nop |
| 19:45.33 | valdyn | my my |
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| 19:45.43 | abrotman | this is going nowhere .. just let him do what he wants |
| 19:45.51 | kenjy | valdyn: a file its too much slow than a dedicated partition with a file system designed for that work |
| 19:45.58 | protoloco | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.00 | protoloco | from apt.. |
| 19:46.08 | kenjy | abrotman: Im going to reformat yourself ^.^ |
| 19:46.14 | protoloco | well that what the tutorial of mail server *postfix) says.. |
| 19:46.15 | wols | protoloco: it's called postfix. what is your deb-src line? |
| 19:46.16 | supaman | is aptitude purge alsa-base enough to remove alsa from the system |
| 19:46.18 | simonrvn | smhar: you installed it? depmod -aA then try modprobe again |
| 19:46.32 | supaman | or are there more packages? |
| 19:46.38 | simonrvn | kenjy: it's not a filesystem |
| 19:46.42 | wols | protoloco: what howto needs the source of the MTA? |
| 19:46.53 | abrotman | kenjy: are you threatening me ? |
| 19:47.05 | protoloco | wols http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_postfix_mysql_quota_courier |
| 19:47.10 | |porta| | !startx |
| 19:47.10 | dpkg | it has been said that startx is a script that starts the X Window System , configure X before starting it. If the rest of X seems present, try getting xbase-clients. see starting gnome, or the way god intended X to be started. Issue 'startx <command> <xclient-options> -- <server> <xserver-options>' to specify specific client to start. Session will exit when that client exits. |
| 19:47.27 | protoloco | wols deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 19:47.37 | abrotman | not deb-src .. just deb |
| 19:47.40 | kenjy | simonrvn ask to cfdisk if its or its not a filesystem |
| 19:47.45 | supaman | |porta|: please msg the bot, thanks :) |
| 19:47.47 | wols | protoloco: so what deb-src line do you have? |
| 19:47.57 | kenjy | abrotman yes Im going to reformat you: # mkfs.ext3 /dev/abrotman |
| 19:47.58 | kenjy | xd |
| 19:48.00 | simonrvn | kenjy: it's not a filesystem. grow a clue please and thank you |
| 19:48.03 | wols | protoloco: that is for seucurity updates only. not for etch |
| 19:48.10 | abrotman | kenjy: why are you threatening me? |
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| 19:48.16 | wols | protoloco: /msg protoloco sources.list |
| 19:48.21 | protoloco | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free,,deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 19:48.23 | protoloco | thoses.. |
| 19:48.29 | protoloco | oh |
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| 19:48.42 | |porta| | is there a script to not let gnome start on boot? |
| 19:48.45 | e\ectro_ | is anyone using debian as an LDAP client? |
| 19:48.46 | kenjy | because I wanna give you a new life :D now you have format |
| 19:48.53 | abrotman | kenjy: go away |
| 19:48.54 | kenjy | you can live now abrotman xd |
| 19:48.57 | dondelelcaro | !nodm |
| 19:48.58 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 19:49.03 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: see above |
| 19:49.08 | kenjy | abrotman: come with me xd |
| 19:49.17 | supaman | dondelelcaro: please msg the bot, thanks :) |
| 19:49.18 | simonrvn | kenjy: shut up please |
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| 19:49.30 | |porta| | ty... so with new improvements I cant have gnome installed but manually start it? |
| 19:49.37 | guillaume | I've lost nmbd service since samba problem, how can I fix that ? |
| 19:49.38 | simonrvn | even better... /ignore |
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| 19:49.43 | kenjy | simonrvn: as you wish my slave |
| 19:49.46 | wols | |porta|: you can. read more carefully |
| 19:49.52 | dondelelcaro | supaman: uh... considering that it's my bot, you'd think I'd know what I was doing |
| 19:50.01 | valdyn | |porta|: why would your gnome start automagicvally on boot? |
| 19:50.19 | wols | guillaume: restart samba? |
| 19:50.19 | supaman | dondelelcaro: yup, I would think so :) (but didnt know it was your bot) |
| 19:50.20 | valdyn | |porta|: are you mixing gdm up with gnome? did you set gdm to autologin? |
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| 19:50.54 | |porta| | might be asking in a bad question. I want a gui.. gnome on this computer but I want it startup at console. and have the option to type startx if it is needed.. like the old systems. |
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| 19:51.00 | guillaume | wols: I've this problem since many boot, one time after upgrade samba refuse to run correctlu |
| 19:51.09 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: yeah, so remove gdm or kdm or whatever, just like the bot told you |
| 19:51.20 | wols | |porta|: yes it's a bad question since it was already answered long ago by dondelelcaro via dpkg |
| 19:51.32 | wols | !tell guillaume about errors |
| 19:51.35 | rockets | I'm trying to rsync from /SNAP to /EXTERNAL. /SNAP is a smb share mounted with SMB mount. every time I do rsync -v --progress /SNAP /EXTERNAL it just says skipping directory /SNAP |
| 19:51.42 | supaman | |porta|: then deinstall gdm (or kdm or whatever) or stop making it start at runup |
| 19:51.43 | |porta| | ok. then I need to type startx and it will startup then... I'm not wanting to remove it from system. just not start at boot. |
| 19:51.58 | dondelelcaro | rockets: you need one of the -a or r options (or similar) |
| 19:52.13 | dondelelcaro | rockets: what you're telling it to do now is copy a directory to a directory, without contents, which is kind of useless |
| 19:52.36 | rockets | dondelelcaro, it was -r thanks |
| 19:52.38 | protoloco | Wolfete, is my deb sources wrong _ |
| 19:52.40 | protoloco | ? |
| 19:52.42 | protoloco | wols |
| 19:52.51 | wols | protoloco: you are missing a deb-src line yes |
| 19:52.55 | protoloco | oh.. |
| 19:53.04 | protoloco | wols could u give me yours ? |
| 19:53.09 | wols | no |
| 19:53.15 | wols | just add the deb-src line you need |
| 19:53.28 | simonrvn | protoloco: make one for yourself. copy the deb ones and make them deb-src instead |
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| 19:55.30 | smhar | simonrvn, did the -aA the the modprobe and got the same error. what do you mean installed 'it'? I just did the flgrx one liner as suggested by dpkg |
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| 19:55.52 | hollenjf | i need to find a very small LCD or TFT monitor for an svga hookup |
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| 19:56.12 | simonrvn | smhar: as in installed the resulting .deb |
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| 19:56.58 | supaman | hollenjf: try the next garbage bin ... its offtopic here at least ;) |
| 19:57.23 | hollenjf | supaman: yes and no.. its for my debian box ;) |
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| 19:58.37 | supaman | try restart again, then reinstall alsa .. see how that goes |
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| 20:00.40 | Assid | hi |
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| 20:00.56 | Assid | can someone help me with ncftpget ? |
| 20:00.59 | Gadfly | Hello all. I accidentally deleted the debian-sys-maint user from my mysql db. I've added it back, with the password listed in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf and did a GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'debian-sys-maint'; and I can use the init script to start mysql, but it doesn't stop it. Any ideas on what I'm missing? |
| 20:01.03 | Assid | i cant seem to get this to synch right |
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| 20:01.12 | Shifty | how can i fix the problem of gdm: screens found, but none hava a usable configuration? |
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| 20:02.51 | zoredache | Gadfly: I don't think debian-sys-maint needs all privilges... I think it really only wants some specific privileges... But ignoring that. Are you able to login to the mysql server with the debian-sys-maint account? |
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| 20:05.10 | Shifty | failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module <-- how can i fix that? |
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| 20:06.31 | wAndyw78 | Shifty: you tried to install the driver from the nvidia site? You can create a xorg.conf with nvidia-config or something else |
| 20:06.33 | Assid | ncftpget -C -u username -p password -v -F -T -R ftp://192.168.1.2/ "/mnt/backup/backups/20071010/" |
| 20:06.41 | Assid | can someone help me.. i cant get that to work for me.. |
| 20:07.19 | wAndyw78 | Shifty: Or have a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and find the problem, good look |
| 20:07.24 | Assid | it just tries to do somethiung.. nothing happens |
| 20:07.50 | Assid | but if i get rid of -C it works.. but then my local directory doesnt work |
| 20:07.57 | Gadfly | zoredache: dunno. lemme try |
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| 20:08.10 | Shifty | ok wAndyw78 but what should i do? |
| 20:08.24 | Shifty | i followed the howto from wiki.debian.org |
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| 20:08.44 | wAndyw78 | Shifty: whats your goal? |
| 20:08.50 | syzygyBSD | how can I create a device on reboot with udev? in other distro's I know I could just create the device in /etc/udev/devices/mydevice, what does etch need? |
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| 20:09.11 | Shifty | that xserver starts ^^ |
| 20:09.12 | |porta| | with a new install how do I put grub on a usb hd? The option of /dev/sdd7 and sdc5 gives fatal error |
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| 20:10.00 | click170 | Could somebody give me some insight into an error message I'm having on boot of a freshly rebuilt kernel configured with arpd? http://pastebin.ca/732251 |
| 20:10.01 | wAndyw78 | Shifty: the restore your orginal xorg.conf |
| 20:10.50 | wAndyw78 | Shifty: a backup should be located in /etc/X11 |
| 20:11.03 | Shifty | yeah ok but i want it with glx |
| 20:11.35 | |porta| | !grub usb install |
| 20:11.41 | |porta| | !grub |
| 20:11.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with XFS, or ask me about <grub dvorak>. |
| 20:11.47 | wAndyw78 | Shifty: Aha, other goal.. |
| 20:12.19 | Shifty | ^^ |
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| 20:12.36 | Shifty | now i followed the howto but it doesnt work :( |
| 20:13.33 | wAndyw78 | Shifty: there are logfiles which tell you, wahts going wrong |
| 20:13.49 | Olgem | NOT recommendend with XFS <---- why not? |
| 20:13.53 | Shifty | yeah first line i wrote was out of the log |
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| 20:13.58 | Shifty | failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module <-- how can i fix that? |
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| 20:15.38 | wAndyw78 | Shifty: okay, i give up... |
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| 20:16.10 | Shifty | wow great... thx 4 your help |
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| 20:18.20 | dondelelcaro | syzygyBSD: in general you shouldn't have to; what device are you trying to create? |
| 20:18.24 | guillaume | wols: I don't find any clear error, but nmbd service isn't working, I've check samba.log, but didn't find something usefull |
| 20:18.51 | syzygyBSD | dondelelcaro: afa0, for poweredge raid monitoring |
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| 20:19.09 | Haris | guys, does squid3.0PRE5 work? |
| 20:19.13 | Haris | on etch? |
| 20:19.13 | MauL^ | I've edited /etc/profile ; How can I run it? |
| 20:19.30 | syzygyBSD | I have the MAKEDEV.afa file so I can create it whatever the name... |
| 20:19.43 | valdyn | Olgem: grub probably just cant boot from xfs |
| 20:19.49 | dondelelcaro | syzygyBSD: you can create rules in /etc/udev/rules.d to create it, or you can just create the device; there's a tutorial on rule creation in /usr/share/doc/udev/ |
| 20:20.00 | valdyn | Olgem: so /boot shouldnt be on it, rest can be whatever |
| 20:20.08 | wols | valdyn: no. I booted sarge on xfs via grub |
| 20:20.14 | syzygyBSD | I tried rules once, didn't work so well |
| 20:20.28 | wols | valdyn: see /boot/grub/xfs_stage1_5 |
| 20:20.36 | valdyn | wols: i see |
| 20:21.01 | Haris | I'm getting this from both squid3 and squid -> 1192064486.472 2 192.168.0.242 TCP_DENIED/400 1841 GET error:invalid-request - NONE/- text/html |
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| 20:22.06 | Tramp | SGI's xfs-faq says it's fine since grub v0.97 |
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| 20:22.58 | helo | i have this incredibly old redhat install that is the only machine capable of running kylix... if i take an image of its hard drive, what are my chances of being able to boot it up inside qemu or xen? |
| 20:23.07 | Shifty | wols can you help me with nvida error? |
| 20:23.14 | helo | err... a little offtopic... could apply to any old linux distro i guess |
| 20:23.27 | guillaume | see that i my syslog battery-stats-collector[7997]: apm_read failed with error code 1 what does it mean ? my battery status seem to work perfectly well... |
| 20:23.35 | wols | Shifty: sure: "don't ask specific people, ask the channel" |
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| 20:26.29 | Shifty | wols... already did... the guy who helped left |
| 20:26.44 | MauL^ | I've added the line: PATH=/usr/local/pgsql/bin:"${PATH}" to the end of /etc/profile, I run /etc/profile but my PATH did not add pgsql dir. Why could it be? |
| 20:26.47 | wols | Shifty: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
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| 20:27.11 | guillaume | Shifty: waht's your error ? |
| 20:27.13 | wols | MauL^: cause it only changed for the child shell that run /etc/profile |
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| 20:27.51 | wols | MauL^: you need to logout and login again |
| 20:28.05 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.08 | MauL^ | isnt there any way to check it without doing this |
| 20:28.37 | Tramp | MauL^: source it |
| 20:28.39 | wols | you have several virtuasl terminals. use tehem! |
| 20:28.48 | MauL^ | Tramp, yep thanks |
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| 20:31.11 | mumbles | back |
| 20:31.16 | Shifty | failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module <-- how can i fix that? (thats my error guillaume ) |
| 20:31.28 | Haris | man |
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| 20:31.44 | Haris | This 400 Bad Request from squid is making me go nuts |
| 20:31.53 | Haris | was etch packed with bad builds of squid? |
| 20:32.23 | Ronin | Haris: not likely |
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| 20:33.20 | Haris | Ronin: I installed squid3 at first. Only changed 3 directives, http_port, http_access and cache_dir, started it, got this error. removed it, installed squid and am getting the same error |
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| 20:34.03 | cmanns | hay |
| 20:34.17 | MauL^ | I want to set PATH=something for all users in my linux box. I see that /etc/profile is not for it, what is for it? |
| 20:34.29 | cmanns | I setup debian minimal (first time using minimal) and it says failed: Temporary failure in name resolution. |
| 20:34.29 | cmanns | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.38 | MauL^ | I dont wanna edit .bashrc of each user |
| 20:35.07 | fm | MauL^, /etc/bashrc ? |
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| 20:35.18 | MauL^ | fm, god.. thanks |
| 20:35.27 | cbus | hello! |
| 20:35.30 | MauL^ | so what is the difference between /etc/profile and bashrc |
| 20:35.51 | cbus | what packages are needed to get xorg and fluxbox to work in a minimal deb installation? |
| 20:35.58 | fm | login shell and non login shell... something like that... |
| 20:36.01 | fm | google it |
| 20:36.21 | smhar | simmerz, no, it didn't produce a deb package |
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| 20:36.45 | Haris | I set debug_options ALL,5, didn't get any debug output, then I set it to debug_options ALL,9, still didn't get any debug output from squid |
| 20:36.49 | wols | cmanns: you haven't set up your DNS properly. Do you use DHCP? |
| 20:37.04 | MauL^ | fm, I think I have no bashrc in /etc . should I create it? |
| 20:37.04 | Haris | Where should I look? |
| 20:37.31 | fm | MauL^, try it |
| 20:37.34 | cmanns | uh I dont know if dhcp is in use, I added dns servers to /etc/resolv.conf and dhcp file |
| 20:37.50 | cmanns | My friend set up the debian minimal on a server for me hes never used debian |
| 20:38.00 | wols | cmanns: then you added thw wrong ones. try to ping an IP |
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| 20:38.11 | cmanns | ip pings work fine |
| 20:38.19 | wols | then it's DNS. QED |
| 20:38.21 | cmanns | I added opendns btw |
| 20:38.23 | wols | check your /etc/resolvconf/ |
| 20:38.28 | wols | check your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:38.55 | cmanns | Has opendns's ip's |
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| 20:39.29 | wols | then they are wrong/not responding/whatever |
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| 20:39.40 | guillaume | nmbd problem : http://pastebin.com/d76e9d72c please help |
| 20:40.08 | cmanns | it can ping them :/ |
| 20:40.18 | cmanns | I also brought eth0 down and up after editing it |
| 20:40.49 | wols | cmanns: use another dns server |
| 20:41.04 | cmanns | I did I added one of his dns servers and they ping too -_- |
| 20:41.20 | cmanns | thats why im totally confused never had a problem like this |
| 20:41.38 | cmanns | I'm connected to it over ssh on public internet too so its connection is fine |
| 20:41.43 | wols | what has a ping echo you recieve to do with a DNS server? |
| 20:42.13 | cmanns | uh what do you mean? |
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| 20:42.28 | wols | just because you can ping a host doesn't mean the host has a working DNS server... |
| 20:42.34 | wols | different things. very different |
| 20:42.55 | cmanns | dhcp isnt in use btw |
| 20:43.27 | cmanns | I'm using opendns at home and their dns works fine, he uses the other dns server on his servers so it should work and if the server can ping them then I dont see how the dns servers could eb a problem |
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| 20:45.39 | guillaume | Shifty: unresolved symbol at nvidia kernel module load ? |
| 20:46.10 | Shifty | guillaume: what? |
| 20:46.26 | guillaume | Shifty: do you get this error message ? |
| 20:46.35 | wols | Shifty: why can't you do what I asked you about? |
| 20:46.47 | guillaume | Shifty: for 100.14.19 nvidia driver |
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| 20:47.57 | guillaume | Shifty: you may check that your gcc version is the same that the one used for kernel compilation |
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| 20:48.27 | Shifty | the client has the version 1.0-7184, but this kernel module has the version 1.0-8776. please make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version |
| 20:48.39 | wols | there ou have it |
| 20:48.45 | Shifty | so thats now the problem :D sry wols ... but i cant copy all that text |
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| 20:49.45 | wols | Shifty: what nvidia chip? |
| 20:49.57 | Shifty | 8600gt |
| 20:50.05 | wols | none of those will work |
| 20:50.11 | minerale | I have a program that is broken -- imagine if TOP didn't refresh the screen and simply had multiple copies scrolling by -- how can I 'paginate' this huge output into meaningful pages that I step through |
| 20:50.12 | Shifty | worked already 2weeks ago but now after reinstall not :( |
| 20:50.13 | wols | neither 71.x nor 87.x |
| 20:50.39 | DustyBin | wols: do you ever suffer from 'computer burn out' ? |
| 20:50.47 | wols | Shifty: I don't believe you. those drivers don't have support for that chip |
| 20:51.04 | Shifty | but it worked (also with compiz) |
| 20:51.05 | wols | Shifty: you need to backport from sid or look for a backport of it for etch |
| 20:51.17 | Sebboh | Hmm.. My root partition has been full for a few days. ... Nothing seems to have broken in that time. That doesn't even make sense. ?? |
| 20:51.18 | wols | Shifty: not 87.76 |
| 20:51.32 | Shifty | what is 87.76? |
| 20:51.40 | wols | the driver version in etch |
| 20:51.48 | Shifty | ok... |
| 20:51.58 | Shifty | then i use the vesa driver ^^ |
| 20:52.02 | Shifty | but thx 4 help |
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| 20:52.55 | cmanns | ah I finished |
| 20:53.01 | cmanns | I forgot to add nameserver infront of the ip |
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| 20:54.50 | Haris | How does one execute a purge? |
| 20:54.59 | guillaume | :( nobody know how to manage samba nmbd servie ??? |
| 20:54.59 | Haris | I have packages with status: pn |
| 20:55.08 | Haris | guillaume: What's the issue? |
| 20:55.15 | Haris | guillaume: secondly, have you tried #samba? |
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| 20:55.39 | guillaume | Haris: http://pastebin.com/d76e9d72c |
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| 20:56.20 | Haris | what's the list of interfaces you configured? |
| 20:56.23 | guillaume | Haris: googgle speak about ifconfig setup for this output but I check mine and all seem to be ok |
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| 20:57.41 | Haris | guillaume: I mean in smb.conf |
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| 20:58.01 | EvilGuru | If I do not have network access on a debian system, but need to install some packages what should I do? As I can download the .debs on another system but how do I find out what ones I need |
| 20:58.24 | guillaume | Haris: 127.0.0.1/8 192.168.0.0/24 |
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| 20:58.50 | Haris | guillaume: Is any of those interfaces down? |
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| 20:59.37 | guillaume | Haris: no |
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| 21:00.35 | supaman | hey... still no sound, have reloaded the modules, ran alsaconf, reinstalled alsa-base, alsa-utils and nothing works, when I try to play something with xmms it just gives me "** WARNING **: alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (hw:0,0): No such file or directory" |
| 21:00.53 | supaman | even root cant play sound |
| 21:00.56 | guillaume | Haris: eth2 :192.168.1.4 up lo:127.0.0.1 up |
| 21:01.09 | supaman | but I can play sound by doing cat file.wav > /dev/dsp :) |
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| 21:02.53 | valdyn | supaman: paste the output of lsmod somewhere.. |
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| 21:03.33 | valdyn | !paste |
| 21:03.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 21:03.36 | cmanns | Should I use kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp or kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
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| 21:04.28 | Haris | guillaume: There's your problem |
| 21:04.41 | Haris | guillaume: in smb.con you have put 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 21:04.49 | Haris | which should be 192.168.1.0/24 |
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| 21:05.22 | rdz | hi all. my server seems to be hacked. are there any recommendable guides about how to handle such situations? |
| 21:05.45 | valdyn | rdz: reinstall |
| 21:05.55 | rdz | valdyn, this is no option... |
| 21:06.01 | rdz | valdyn, seriously |
| 21:06.12 | Haris | smb.conf+ |
| 21:06.14 | valdyn | rdz: its the only option |
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| 21:06.21 | supaman | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/YX8Vua58.html |
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| 21:06.45 | smhar | I tried passing pci=noacpi to the kernel line in grub booting but I still get the same acpi error and booting halts, how to bypass this? |
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| 21:07.43 | supaman | valdyn: its a sb live card |
| 21:08.15 | valdyn | supaman: dont see what i was looking for, does /proc/asound/devices contain your card? |
| 21:09.00 | supaman | valdyn: I think so yes ... doesnt say the name of it specifically though |
| 21:09.31 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:09.47 | supaman | valdyn: and it does |
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| 21:10.00 | valdyn | supaman: is the package linux-sound-base installed? |
| 21:10.15 | supaman | valdyn: yup |
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| 21:10.45 | valdyn | supaman: 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base', set to alsa, if you haven't |
| 21:11.19 | supaman | valdyn: doesnt matter |
| 21:11.26 | supaman | valdyn: still the same problem |
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| 21:11.30 | valdyn | supaman: does matter |
| 21:11.48 | valdyn | supaman: i dont know what it was set to, but what it does is blacklist oss modules, which can be a problem |
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| 21:12.06 | valdyn | ... if they weren't blacklisted |
| 21:12.06 | supaman | valdyn: ok, but it didnt fix the problem :) |
| 21:12.24 | valdyn | supaman: right, i didn't think so, you'd have to reboot, but i dont actually see an oss modules loaded |
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| 21:12.39 | supaman | valdyn: nope ... they arent |
| 21:12.47 | valdyn | supaman: you have udev installed right? |
| 21:12.52 | supaman | valdyn: yup |
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| 21:13.13 | olspookishmagus | Q: hello there how can I see which packages I've to HOLD status? |
| 21:13.21 | valdyn | supaman: /dev/snd/ is about empty? /dev/dsp exists? |
| 21:13.51 | Haris | rdz: How do you know its hacked? |
| 21:13.56 | supaman | valdyn: there are 14 files in /dev/snd and /dev/dsp exists yes |
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| 21:14.26 | epsilon | olspookishmagus: if dpkg/apt, dpkg --get-selections '*', then grep the output |
| 21:14.47 | valdyn | supaman: 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav' gives which error ? |
| 21:14.48 | olspookishmagus | epsilon: I am using aptitude |
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| 21:15.11 | epsilon | there should be similar stuff in aptitude, read the man |
| 21:15.43 | rdz | Haris, there is a new directory, that belongs to an apache module, that i didn't installed myself, and this directory is full of cracked movies. /var/lib/apache/mod-bandwidth/link/up |
| 21:15.45 | Nyle_ | !hold |
| 21:15.45 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 21:16.03 | supaman | valdyn: this error http://rafb.net/p/Lhs7Ri95.html |
| 21:16.16 | Haris | rdz: 1) do you have the mod_security installed for apache? |
| 21:16.29 | olspookishmagus | what I mean are these options on some kind of file where I can see/edit them? |
| 21:16.32 | Haris | 2) do you have suexec totally removed/disabled on this box? |
| 21:16.37 | rdz | Haris, but i am not quite sure, what this means, and how it/what was hacked |
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| 21:16.49 | valdyn | supaman: either your libasound is just broken, or you have some kind of mismatch of to new alsa drivers and to old libraries |
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| 21:17.01 | valdyn | supaman: kernel version? debian release? |
| 21:17.05 | Haris | rdz: 3) also look at the version of php you use |
| 21:17.13 | Haris | rdz: Upgrade to the latest versions |
| 21:17.26 | supaman | valdyn: Lenny, 2.6.22-2-686 #1 SMP |
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| 21:17.29 | Haris | check bugs/security bulletins on security.debian.org |
| 21:17.30 | rdz | Haris, no, no mod_security |
| 21:17.59 | rdz | Haris, i am just using the default packages of debian etch |
| 21:17.59 | Haris | rdz: Is this a cpanel/plesk box? |
| 21:18.01 | valdyn | supaman: paste /proc/asound/devices please so i can pick a suitable device for you to try |
| 21:18.11 | rdz | Haris, thanks you for your hints |
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| 21:18.22 | Nyle_ | olspookishmagus, aptitude search '~h' |
| 21:18.24 | weld | hi, does anyone know about this soundcard Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller ? |
| 21:18.24 | rdz | Haris, i don't know what these are |
| 21:18.33 | Nyle_ | I think 'h' is the flag for held pacakges in the aptitude search output |
| 21:18.38 | wols | weld: snd_hda_intel |
| 21:18.46 | supaman | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/1GLvBJ92.html |
| 21:18.46 | weld | seems i'ts not supported yet |
| 21:18.48 | Nyle_ | aptitude search '~i' display all installed pacakges |
| 21:19.04 | wols | weld: sorta is. what kernel version? |
| 21:19.06 | supaman | valdyn: and xmms gives ** WARNING **: alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (hw:0,0): No such file or directory |
| 21:19.25 | supaman | if I havent mentioned that earlyer ;) |
| 21:19.28 | weld | Linux version 2.6.22-2-686 (Debian 2.6.22-4) |
| 21:19.45 | wols | weld: then it is supported |
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| 21:19.47 | valdyn | supaman: i saw it, but aplay's message is nicer anyway |
| 21:19.55 | supaman | valdyn: ahh .. ok |
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| 21:20.06 | weld | wols: snd_hda_intel i loaded |
| 21:20.14 | weld | wols: snd_hda_intel iS loaded |
| 21:20.52 | rdz | Haris, what are cpanel/plesk boxes? |
| 21:21.01 | valdyn | supaman: all those drivers loaded, did you do that manually? what did it? |
| 21:21.12 | weld | wols: alsamixer shows volume and pcm, but no sound anyway |
| 21:21.22 | valdyn | supaman: its a mess, there's so much stuff you don't need.. |
| 21:21.23 | supaman | valdyn: I guess udev did that, havnt dont anything manually |
| 21:21.33 | valdyn | supaman: alsaconf? |
| 21:21.41 | valdyn | supaman: or is this how it looks after a reboot? |
| 21:21.44 | supaman | valdyn: ran that yes |
| 21:21.58 | weld | wols: what can be wrong? |
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| 21:22.18 | epsilon | rdz: plesk is a webinterface for everything for people can't configure debian by shell |
| 21:22.23 | Haris | rdz: http://www.cpanel.net www.plesk.com |
| 21:22.26 | supaman | valdyn: I just rebooted .. but ran alsaconf after the reboot (dont think that added any modules though) |
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| 21:22.36 | Haris | rdz: tools to automate webhosting |
| 21:23.02 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. i'm trying to install proftpd, but i get the following error: error processing configuration file '/etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf'.. what am i doing wrong? |
| 21:23.10 | Haris | cpanel forums are informative on hacked boxes, such as your own |
| 21:23.17 | valdyn | supaman: try 'aplay -D hw:0,3 /usr/share/sounds/*.wav' |
| 21:23.26 | Haris | haven't read plesk's forum for this topic in a long time |
| 21:23.45 | supaman | valdyn: the same error |
| 21:23.54 | rdz | Haris, ah.. thanks for explanation.. no i am not useing such tools... i am managing my server over ssh only |
| 21:24.00 | kspath_ | gee, I wonder why plesk and cpanel have much to say about that |
| 21:24.13 | valdyn | supaman: do you have an asoundrc files somewhere? |
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| 21:24.21 | valdyn | supaman: i.e. did you mess with that? |
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| 21:24.25 | rdz | Haris, if the root password is still the old, does that mean, it wasn't hacked? or is that assumption wrong? |
| 21:24.36 | supaman | valdyn: yup |
| 21:24.37 | kspath_ | rdz: wrong |
| 21:24.44 | epsilon | fuzzy_logic: installation is complete and this message is coming while starting the daemon? |
| 21:24.45 | valdyn | supaman: where? |
| 21:24.50 | valdyn | supaman: that file is broken... |
| 21:24.58 | supaman | valdyn: in my home dir ... .asoundrc |
| 21:25.00 | Haris | Is there a version of imageMagik on debian that works? I know from experience that it doesn't biuld on fedora |
| 21:25.10 | epsilon | fuzzy_logic: in this case, there is an error in the conf and the demon is complaining about it |
| 21:25.21 | supaman | valdyn: it only contains one line </home/ojs/.asoundrc.asoundconf> |
| 21:25.25 | Haris | rdz: go through your logs |
| 21:25.30 | rdz | kspath_, thanks |
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| 21:25.43 | supaman | valdyn: and that file has 4 lines |
| 21:25.47 | kspath_ | rdz: If they did it right your logs will likely appear to be clearn. |
| 21:25.52 | rdz | Haris, which is a good starting point? |
| 21:26.00 | rdz | kspath_, i see |
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| 21:26.21 | valdyn | supaman: move that away, its not useful for debugging |
| 21:26.21 | supaman | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/mPVG0x13.html |
| 21:26.22 | rdz | rkhunter didn't find any thing suspicious either... |
| 21:26.31 | kspath_ | rdz: sometimes they will leave little tell-tale signs in their cleansing of logs |
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| 21:26.52 | supaman | valdyn: they are both owned by root .. but Ill remove them anyways |
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| 21:27.47 | kspath_ | rdz: remotely loggging can help a bit but after a box is owned the logging after that point can be considered wrong/compromised else the systems are not "seeing" anything to log |
| 21:28.14 | supaman | valdyn: wohooo ... aplay works now |
| 21:28.26 | supaman | hmmm |
| 21:28.35 | valdyn | supaman: which aplay command works? |
| 21:28.55 | supaman | valdyn: just normal aplay (no -d or anything like that) |
| 21:29.03 | supaman | valdyn: and xmms works also |
| 21:29.03 | Enverex | Does Debian have a low latency kernel available? |
| 21:29.17 | supaman | valdyn: seems to be ok now |
| 21:29.20 | valdyn | Enverex: for which purpose? |
| 21:29.29 | valdyn | supaman: great, so it was just that ~/.asoundrc |
| 21:29.32 | rdz | kspath_, is there any way to tell how my system has been invaded? or: to make sure, that it has been invaded at all? |
| 21:29.38 | kspath_ | Haris: have you done an apt-cache search graphicsmagick ? |
| 21:29.48 | supaman | valdyn: strange because these .asound* files were there sometimes and sometimes not |
| 21:29.51 | rdz | kspath_, i am not quite sure how i sam supposed to interpret what i found... |
| 21:29.53 | kspath_ | rdz: no, perfect way |
| 21:29.54 | supaman | valdyn: yup .. seems like it |
| 21:29.55 | valdyn | supaman: which redefined !default to something unusable |
| 21:29.59 | fantomas | I'm looking for a fast and effective http proxy which supports users authentication. Any recommendations? |
| 21:29.59 | kspath_ | rdz: learn/study |
| 21:30.00 | Enverex | valdyn, The X-Fi driver repeats every sound over and over forever, I was told I may need a low latency kernel |
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| 21:30.21 | supaman | valdyn: thanks a lot |
| 21:30.25 | valdyn | fantomas: there's squid, and squid |
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| 21:30.33 | kspath_ | rdz: network traffic on your network that you can not identify can be a clue |
| 21:30.38 | schoppenhauer | hello. has anyone expieriences with didiwiki - and can tell me, where to configure the port it listens to, and how to set some kind of vhost to it? |
| 21:30.44 | valdyn | fantomas: i don't think there's anything else that compares, i dunno though |
| 21:31.10 | valdyn | Enverex: i dont know what that is |
| 21:31.16 | Kobaz | rdz: check out tripwire |
| 21:31.20 | valdyn | Enverex: i.e. i dont know which kind of realtime you might need |
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| 21:31.23 | fantomas | valdyn: yeah I know squid and even used it in past |
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| 21:31.24 | rdz | kspath_, i found files, that i didn't upload myself, but don't know how they came there... probably through a broken wiki? |
| 21:31.33 | valdyn | Enverex: rt is not a 'hard' thing, there's degrees |
| 21:31.35 | kspath_ | Haris: apt-cache search graphicsmagick Have you looked at that as an alternative? |
| 21:31.50 | fantomas | valdyn: but is it low res consuming, thats the question ) |
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| 21:32.13 | Enverex | valdyn, True, but I remember in the past that Ubuntu had a "-lowlatency" kernel I think, or something named similar |
| 21:32.21 | valdyn | fantomas: guess it depends on what you need |
| 21:32.31 | valdyn | fantomas: its built for huge systems too, i just use it locally for me |
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| 21:32.52 | Kobaz | rdz: any number of things, but i would start examining your system for other things that dont't belong, especially running programs, and things like your password file |
| 21:32.56 | kspath_ | rdz: I have no idea. anything as complicated as wiki/blogs can have numerous wholes for months/years before they are widely known and patched/fixed |
| 21:32.58 | valdyn | fantomas: its not to big.. |
| 21:33.08 | Haris | kspath_: Does it have the exact same functions that php depends on? |
| 21:33.13 | to_ | hi, which kernel should I install on the VIA C7 processor machine? |
| 21:33.20 | fantomas | valdyn: I hope if I disable caching and pools (or what are those things which limits bandwidth) it will run fast enough w/o eating all the resources ) |
| 21:33.27 | kspath_ | Haris: check, I am NOT a php fiend |
| 21:34.03 | valdyn | Enverex: something like that isn't in debian. |
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| 21:34.16 | kspath_ | rdz: lsof can be of help, but note anything on that system can be compromised so use statically linked tools you get from other machine |
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| 21:34.31 | valdyn | Enverex: there's low latency kernels that you can build from debians kernels sources by just changing few kernel options |
| 21:34.49 | silent__ | does anyone here know how to configure X to run at 1920x 1080 on my hdtv? |
| 21:35.03 | guillaume | Haris: the status seem to be ok now but I still can't see my computer in network window (t only show a group for windows network but it is empty, I had these output in the syslog http://pastebin.com/d42d6f358 |
| 21:35.05 | valdyn | silent__: run 'xrandr' |
| 21:35.38 | silent__ | valdyn: what should I do? |
| 21:36.05 | supaman | to_: it seems the via uses the x86 instruction set so just the default i386 ought to be ok |
| 21:36.13 | silent__ | valdyn: it's at the max resolution that the output shows, but I have a good 6" diagonally left blank on my tv |
| 21:36.26 | to_ | supaman: okay, thx ;) |
| 21:36.27 | silent__ | on either diagonal (image centered) |
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| 21:37.06 | valdyn | !ddc |
| 21:37.06 | dpkg | i heard ddc is the Display Data Channel. it provides a way for programs to ask DDC-compliant ("Plug and Play") monitors for information about themselves. |
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| 21:38.05 | valdyn | silent__: Option "DDC" "On" in your Device Section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
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| 21:39.53 | protoloco | hello im tryint to re install a postfix package.. that is in dpkg.. ii postfix 2.3.8-2+b1 A high-performance mail transport agent |
| 21:40.00 | protoloco | when i do dpkg -i postfix |
| 21:40.04 | protoloco | says that there is no such file |
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| 21:40.13 | azeem | protoloco: use apt-get or aptitude, not dpkg |
| 21:40.23 | azeem | also, "ii" means it's already installed |
| 21:40.33 | Haris | guillaume: #samba should be able to help you wiht those |
| 21:40.55 | supaman | protoloco: also when you try to install a .deb file you have to give the full name |
| 21:41.05 | |porta| | I've read man grub and still not sure what command to use for installing grub on a usb hd |
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| 21:41.22 | basis | i'm trying to install a gnome app that wants GTK+ 2.10 |
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| 21:41.41 | basis | is there a repository where i can get that? the default install says 2.8.x is the latest |
| 21:43.03 | supaman | |porta|: I think grub --boot-drive=/dev/sd* should work, but search google for it |
| 21:43.58 | |porta| | supaman: ty! and could the same command be used with a usb stick? |
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| 21:44.45 | supaman | |porta|: well, not quite sure about that, could be that you have to do some extra hacking on that |
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| 21:45.55 | click170 | Can someone give me some help with errors I'm getting trying to boot a kernel recompiled with arpd? http://pastebin.ca/732251 |
| 21:46.00 | |porta| | supaman: ty... I will try this on the usb hd and do more googleing.. any particular phrase? I did grub boot usb hd, grub boot usb drive, and grub bootable usb hd |
| 21:46.24 | supaman | |porta|: grub usb pen drive |
| 21:46.36 | |porta| | supaman: Thank you!! |
| 21:47.04 | guillaume | Haris: thank you for all :) |
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| 21:48.20 | supaman | click170: are you using lilo or grub? are the config files for those set up right? |
| 21:48.52 | click170 | grub |
| 21:49.15 | click170 | I believe it's set up properly, I can post the config I have? |
| 21:49.42 | supaman | click170: do the kernel and initrd versions match for this entry? |
| 21:50.40 | to_ | do you know any hoster that doesn't modify kernel, or packages(so that respect the debian distro without altering it)? |
| 21:51.44 | wols | to_: any hoster that gives you a real server and not a virtual one |
| 21:51.48 | rdz | Kobaz, kspath_ thank you both for your hints |
| 21:52.13 | click170 | Its a 2.6.18 kernel... When I install the kernel package it puts everything except an initrd image in the /boot directory, so I modify the menu.lst to just use the same initrd.img as the 2.6.18-4-686 kernel |
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| 21:52.30 | to_ | wols: what do you call a virtual server? |
| 21:52.50 | supaman | click170: hmm ... dont know if that will work |
| 21:52.53 | wols | to_: when you don't have a full server for your own but a virtualized one |
| 21:53.16 | wols | click170: when you install a kernel-image, you don't need to edit menu.lst |
| 21:53.52 | Sebboh | to_ when you see a hosting provider advertise a "dedicated" server, that's generally a real, physical piece of hardware that you are root on. Compare to colo. (Gonna have to wikipedia that one.) |
| 21:53.59 | to_ | wols: ohw, but I've got a "real" server and kernel is modified, and I don't know how they pre-installed my debian, I haven't install it on my own with the debian installer |
| 21:54.36 | wols | to_: do you have a rescue system at your hoster? |
| 21:54.41 | to_ | yes |
| 21:54.51 | wols | then install your own debian kernel and be happy |
| 21:55.17 | supaman | to_: but first of all, dont worry and be happy |
| 21:55.25 | supaman | ;) |
| 21:55.30 | to_ | I try I try |
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| 21:56.17 | to_ | :° |
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| 21:57.03 | supaman | yeh ... thats the way |
| 21:57.38 | Odd_Bloke | Hey guys, I'm currently trying to install Debian from a CD. However, the network I'm using requires me to log in on a specific webpage. This is possible using wget, but not the wget that comes with busybox. Any ideas as to how I can get around this? |
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| 21:58.21 | wols | what do you need busybox for when installing? |
| 21:58.25 | Odd_Bloke | In addition, logging into the network and then rebooting doesn't work (which was a long shot anyways). |
| 21:58.38 | supaman | Odd_Bloke: had the same problems here ... never got around it |
| 21:58.40 | jeffwheeler | Odd_Bloke: I had to do a similar thing -- I think the first CD full CD worked because it doesn't need the internet, then you can do the rest from that. |
| 21:58.48 | jeffwheeler | * first CD |
| 21:58.58 | wols | debian netinst doesn't need the internet either |
| 21:58.58 | supaman | yeh, took the same way as jeffwheeler |
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| 21:59.20 | tremby | i'm not sure if i'm doing something very very wrong, but i can't add my user to a group. i'm doing usermod -a -G tremby tremby and that exits with no error, but then when tremby runs groups, the group tremby doesn't appear |
| 21:59.31 | Odd_Bloke | wols: I get asked which mirror I want to use. Can I safely skip this step? |
| 21:59.42 | wols | tremby: you need to log out |
| 21:59.43 | jeffwheeler | Odd_Bloke: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 21:59.55 | tremby | wols, ok, thanks |
| 21:59.56 | wols | Odd_Bloke: yes. provided you create your own sources.list later (not hard) |
| 22:00.10 | Odd_Bloke | wols: OK, thanks, I'll try that. :) |
| 22:00.47 | wols | Odd_Bloke: /msg dpkg sources.list /msg dpkg security |
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| 22:03.49 | Odd_Bloke | wols: I'm now getting a failure in the "Install the base system" step. |
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| 22:05.35 | wols | Odd_Bloke: what installer? how big was the installer ISO you got? |
| 22:05.49 | Odd_Bloke | wols: I dunno, this is a CD someone lent me. :p |
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| 22:08.17 | supaman | Odd_Bloke: any specific error you get? |
| 22:08.45 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. i can't telnet to localhost.. is says unable to connect to remote host: connection refused.. anyone help me plz? |
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| 22:09.08 | Odd_Bloke | supaman: "Failed to determine the codename of the release." |
| 22:09.11 | Odd_Bloke | s/of/for/ |
| 22:09.20 | fantomas | Is there a tool which allows to send an IP packet with specified protocol number? I want to test if IPSEC is blocked by my ISP |
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| 22:09.36 | supaman | Odd_Bloke: that seems harmless ... just continue if you can |
| 22:09.37 | fantomas | But don't want to configure ISPEC to get it banned after that |
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| 22:10.00 | Odd_Bloke | supaman: I can't, I get told that the step has failed and returned to the main menu. |
| 22:10.00 | deeon | hallo, i've a problem with an intelchip graphic adapter |
| 22:10.18 | supaman | fuzzy_logic: I think the telnet port is closed by default on debian ... no one can connect to it |
| 22:10.33 | fuzzy_logic | supaman: how can i open it? |
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| 22:10.40 | Odd_Bloke | Having just looked at the download page and had the meaning of the scribble on the CD become clear. |
| 22:10.42 | sputnick | hi there |
| 22:10.44 | deeon | the problem is, it uses the i810 driver but doesn't have direct rendering |
| 22:11.02 | supaman | Odd_Bloke: cant you pick the next step in the main menu ? |
| 22:11.21 | deeon | does anybody know which options i have to set in the xorg.conf? |
| 22:11.35 | Odd_Bloke | supaman: I'd have thought "Installing the base system" was fairly important? |
| 22:11.50 | Odd_Bloke | And, in fact, the next step also gives me the same error. |
| 22:11.55 | supaman | Odd_Bloke: ahh .. yes, that is important :) |
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| 22:12.17 | Odd_Bloke | If this is going to be an insurmountable problem (as it seems it will be), I'll go and buy a writable CD. :p |
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| 22:12.22 | supaman | Odd_Bloke: seems like an unusable installation image you got there, I would make another |
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| 22:12.30 | sputnick | who can test this : http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp?detect=jre&try=1 successfully ? I'm on lenny & I have apt-get sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin & downloaded the required jre on the web page but test is not successfull |
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| 22:12.42 | Odd_Bloke | supaman: OK, thanks for the help. |
| 22:12.45 | Odd_Bloke | wols: You too. :) |
| 22:12.51 | supaman | Odd_Bloke: np, good luck |
| 22:13.08 | sputnick | or this one : http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml |
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| 22:15.55 | click170 | wols: Every time I have ever installed a kernel-image I have always had to manually edit the grub menu.lst file to give it an initrd entry, otherwise when I boot I get a kernel panic. It never made sense to me why, am I doing something horribly wrong? |
| 22:15.55 | supaman | sputnick: have you enabled java in the browser? |
| 22:16.28 | Lindenle | Does this channel have a documentation bot? |
| 22:16.31 | sputnick | where ? |
| 22:16.33 | MauL^ | I've put some startup script for postgresql in /etc/init.d/postgresql and created symbolic links in /etc/rc0,1,2,3,5/K02postgresql but somehow my postgresql server does not start on start up. Where can I find the error log file? |
| 22:16.33 | Nyle_ | !dpkgbot |
| 22:16.33 | dpkg | dpkgbot is, like, Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 22:16.53 | supaman | sputnick: usually under Edit->Preferences and somewhere there |
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| 22:17.41 | supaman | click170: so this is a debian kernel, you fetch it with aptitude or apt-get? |
| 22:18.23 | click170 | I fetched the linux-source-2.6.18, and am only trying to compile it with arpd support. I'm having neighboor table overflow issues in my kernel log you see. |
| 22:18.58 | Tramp | MauL^: "K..." are links for stopping a service, not for starting. |
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| 22:20.14 | supaman | click170: well ... dont know much about this but I think that debian kernels need the initrd thing and roll your owns don't |
| 22:20.47 | rafuch0 | i am trying to help a friend whit his debian machine but his behind a router and his ip addr is an 192.168.0.1 type is anyway to get to him ? |
| 22:21.16 | click170 | supaman: Well the thing is, if I don't modify the grub menu.lst as I have been doing previously to give my new kernel an initrd entry, then I get a kernel panic. I remember its something to do with VFS, I can get the exact error if need be. |
| 22:21.52 | supaman | click170: thats ok .. like I said .. don't know much about this :) |
| 22:22.19 | Tramp | rafuch0: Your friend has to modify his router to forward a port |
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| 22:22.45 | \amethyst | rafuch0: either what Tramp said, or ssh to the router and then to 192.168.0.1 from there |
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| 22:24.11 | cec | Hi, Upon booting lenny I get a slow down at the point that says "DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255 port 67 inerval 8", it trys vraious intravals which takes quite a bit of time. IT then says "NO DHCPOFFICERS RECEIVED" This started after an update. |
| 22:24.30 | \amethyst | cec: are you supposed to have a DHCP server on your network? |
| 22:24.42 | cec | no |
| 22:25.10 | click170 | cec: then configure your interface with a static address so it doesn't broadcast for DHCP |
| 22:25.38 | cec | Ic ok thanks |
| 22:25.41 | supaman | fuzzy_logic: install telnetd |
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| 22:26.18 | \amethyst | cec: /etc/network/interfaces is the file in question, and man interfaces its man page |
| 22:26.28 | mumbles | has anyone got virtualization working on debian ? |
| 22:27.08 | cec | Thanks!! \amethyst |
| 22:27.09 | supaman | mumbles: what kind of virtualization are you talking about? |
| 22:27.31 | supaman | mumbles: I ran haikuos once on qemu |
| 22:27.37 | supaman | worked perfectly |
| 22:27.41 | mumbles | i wanted to know if it was possable to get xp started |
| 22:28.09 | wols | mumbles: it is |
| 22:28.11 | mumbles | erm. i have a install of xp on a hdd on this machene , can i boot that up using something ? |
| 22:28.34 | wols | mumbles: no |
| 22:28.53 | supaman | wols: not even with vmware? |
| 22:29.00 | wols | supaman: no |
| 22:29.17 | \amethyst | if you do get it to book it will complain a *lot* about changed hardware |
| 22:29.21 | \amethyst | s/ook/oot/ |
| 22:29.21 | wols | I doubt the vmware emulated hardware is the same one that you run |
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| 22:29.33 | mumbles | could i do a fresh install ? |
| 22:29.40 | wols | mumbles: yes |
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| 22:29.55 | mumbles | goes to google for some howtoos |
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| 22:30.05 | supaman | thats a good boy |
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| 22:30.14 | supaman | ;) |
| 22:30.21 | gaurish | where does wget save its download by default?? |
| 22:30.29 | mumbles | ill be back in a few hours after ive messed things up |
| 22:30.39 | mumbles | gaurish: the folder you where in when you did wget i think |
| 22:30.42 | supaman | gaurish: in the dir where you started it |
| 22:30.45 | simonrvn | . |
| 22:30.49 | rhsanborn | Quick couple of questions. First, does anyone have any experience with how difficult getting debian to work dual boot with vista is, and then, if there exists and HCL and/or a program that will scan a computer for compatible hardware? |
| 22:31.07 | mumbles | rhsanborn: -a live boot cd ? |
| 22:31.18 | \amethyst | !hardware |
| 22:31.18 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
| 22:31.49 | \amethyst | The biggest things to worry about compatibility-wise these days is wifi |
| 22:31.50 | gaurish | mumbles, supaman i am downloading Debian dvd now in middle there no space left in my /home can i move to other place? |
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| 22:32.13 | acadia | ok, folks |
| 22:32.15 | rhsanborn | mumbles, \amethyst, thanks. And thats exactly what I'm worried about. I have a new laptop with a broadcom card |
| 22:32.17 | \amethyst | gaurish: you can stop, move it somewhere else, and continue the download |
| 22:32.18 | acadia | this was really odd |
| 22:32.25 | acadia | i accidently set |
| 22:32.37 | acadia | set stty erase |
| 22:32.38 | gaurish | \amethyst, how? |
| 22:32.43 | acadia | in the /etc/profile |
| 22:32.48 | \amethyst | gaurish: what are you downloading with |
| 22:32.49 | rhsanborn | I want to make sure that mobo and other things are in good shape too though |
| 22:32.53 | acadia | so that erase was ^M |
| 22:32.57 | acadia | which meant |
| 22:33.05 | acadia | if I went to the shell |
| 22:33.11 | acadia | and tried to type in a command |
| 22:33.13 | acadia | and hit enter |
| 22:33.14 | gaurish | \amethyst, wget |
| 22:33.16 | \amethyst | acadia: use ctrl-j for <enter> until you fix it |
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| 22:33.25 | acadia | i got it fixed |
| 22:33.36 | acadia | the question is , randomly nano |
| 22:33.47 | acadia | came up while I was at the shell |
| 22:33.56 | acadia | \amethyst: thanks though |
| 22:34.05 | acadia | how did nano come up? |
| 22:34.20 | acadia | i just used it to edit /etc/profile |
| 22:34.25 | \amethyst | gaurish: ctrl-c to stop it, move the partial file somewhere else, change to that directory, and wget --continue the original URL |
| 22:34.30 | acadia | but how did that happen |
| 22:34.35 | acadia | LOL |
| 22:34.41 | gaurish | \amethyst, ok will try it |
| 22:34.46 | \amethyst | acadia: ctrl-x ctrl-e maybe ? |
| 22:34.53 | acadia | ah ... ok |
| 22:34.54 | acadia | was curious |
| 22:35.06 | acadia | ctrl-e |
| 22:35.08 | acadia | perfect |
| 22:35.15 | \amethyst | ctrl-x ctrl-e |
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| 22:35.18 | acadia | didn't know what the h*ll I typed |
| 22:35.28 | \amethyst | it's a two-key sequence |
| 22:35.38 | acadia | \amythyst: thanks |
| 22:36.04 | \amethyst | if you prefer a different editor for things like that, you can update-alternatives --config editor |
| 22:36.52 | cec | \amethyst, thanks worked great |
| 22:36.53 | acadia | i'll just try to avoid in the future |
| 22:37.14 | acadia | doing stupid things like that in the future |
| 22:37.17 | \amethyst | cec: cool |
| 22:38.33 | click170 | Can anyone give me advice on a good, up to date, kernel building how-to? |
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| 22:39.45 | \amethyst | click170: maybe /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (and other files in the same directory) |
| 22:40.03 | supaman | click170: had a look through this one: http://wiki.debian.org/BuildYourOwnKernel?highlight=%28kernel%29 ??? |
| 22:40.06 | \amethyst | click170: in debian, you usually use the program make-kpkg from the package kernel-package to compile your own kernels |
| 22:40.48 | to_ | When I install a kernel on my server and I restart it just after, it doesn't boot on the new one, why? |
| 22:41.09 | wols | to_: check your menu.lst |
| 22:41.11 | \amethyst | to_: grub or lilo is still configured to boot the old one? |
| 22:41.54 | to_ | \amethyst: I thought the debian install took care about that |
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| 22:43.13 | wols | to_: yes, unless you set a config not to |
| 22:43.18 | supaman | click170: this module you need .. its not loadable with the kernel you have? |
| 22:43.49 | mumbles | has anyone got a copye of vmware tools about? |
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| 22:44.07 | click170 | supaman: Its the same kernel. I don't even care what kernel its is, I just need support for the arp daemon in userspace so I can ditch these neighboor table overflow issues. |
| 22:44.10 | cirdan | hey all, having ldap issues |
| 22:44.12 | cirdan | can anyone help?> |
| 22:44.16 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: for the vnc session, you have to use the passwd created with vncpasswd (and stored in .vnc/passwd) |
| 22:44.27 | cirdan | Oct 10 18:40:29 lorien slapd[18331]: bdb(o=ispman): Invalid log file: log.0000000001: No such file or directory |
| 22:44.29 | \amethyst | cirdan: provide more info, then we'll see who can help |
| 22:44.30 | cirdan | but the log is there |
| 22:44.33 | cirdan | Oct 10 18:40:29 lorien slapd[18331]: bdb(o=ispman): PANIC: No such file or directory |
| 22:44.37 | cirdan | Oct 10 18:40:29 lorien slapd[18331]: bdb(o=ispman): PANIC: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery |
| 22:44.38 | supaman | click170: and what do you need in the kernel for it to work? |
| 22:44.40 | cirdan | just did an upgrade |
| 22:44.42 | cirdan | and it broke |
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| 22:45.10 | \amethyst | cirdan: upgraded from what version of slapd to what version? |
| 22:45.19 | supaman | click170: maby you dont need a new kernel .. just load the right modules |
| 22:45.26 | click170 | supaman: When configuring the kernel before compilation, I have to set CONFIG_ARPD to y |
| 22:45.29 | \amethyst | cirdan: it could be a change in the bdb (Berkeley database) version |
| 22:45.44 | jelly-home | cirdan: sounds like a db4.2-recover (or whatever the version of BDB is today) is needed |
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| 22:46.02 | cirdan | tried that |
| 22:46.05 | cirdan | no errrors but it wont work |
| 22:46.12 | \amethyst | cirdan: in the appropriate directory? |
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| 22:46.41 | cirdan | yes |
| 22:46.50 | deserve | Hello. Can anyone tell me a good programme for creating initrd.gz (if this is the name), which has to include: my linux kernel + coreutils (/bin/* things) + a compiler (gcc)? I'd like to set up the whole on my flash disk. |
| 22:47.16 | \amethyst | a compiler on the initrd? |
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| 22:47.44 | \amethyst | why would you need a compiler before mounting a root filesystem? |
| 22:47.56 | \amethyst | s/a r/the r/ |
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| 22:48.35 | supaman | click170: ok, looks like you need to make a new kernel .. at least the ARP option is not set on in my kernel version (you can see it in /boot/config-$KERNEL-VERSION |
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| 22:49.23 | weld | does nVidia Quadro NVS 140M work with "nv" driver? |
| 22:50.28 | weld | with the default settings after installing testing, it doesn't work, im running vesa now |
| 22:50.29 | Odd_Bloke | wols, supaman: I'm now installing the base system off of CD1. \o/ |
| 22:50.43 | supaman | Odd_Bloke: yayyy |
| 22:51.15 | wols | weld: on what chip is that quadro based? |
| 22:51.20 | wols | weld: DX10 capable? |
| 22:51.22 | deserve | \amethyst, I mean after that. |
| 22:51.43 | \amethyst | deserve: so you want something like a live CD, but on a USB disk? |
| 22:51.44 | weld | i think it's dx10 compatible |
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| 22:52.06 | wols | deserve: initramfs-tools |
| 22:52.23 | deserve | Yes. |
| 22:52.33 | deserve | This is what I want to. :) |
| 22:52.33 | wols | that's what's used to create initrd |
| 22:52.40 | \amethyst | deserve: take a look at http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 22:53.02 | \amethyst | deserve: you can use their disk image or ISO, or roll your own |
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| 22:54.06 | mumbles | damm. not booting |
| 22:54.12 | deserve | Thanks. |
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| 22:55.06 | acadia | hey guys |
| 22:55.18 | acadia | I set up mail server exim |
| 22:55.22 | acadia | everything seems to work |
| 22:55.24 | acadia | locally |
| 22:55.35 | acadia | i can't send mail from remote account to my mail server |
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| 22:55.52 | wols | !tell acadia about enter |
| 22:56.04 | wols | what happens when you try to connect to your mailserver via telnet from outside? |
| 22:56.08 | acadia | anyone who tries to send mail to my server gets |
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| 22:56.24 | acadia | 553, sorry, relaying denied from your location |
| 22:56.37 | acadia | wols: Exim4 smtp comes up |
| 22:56.38 | wols | misconfigure |
| 22:56.48 | wols | your exim doesn't know for what domain it has to accept mail |
| 22:57.24 | acadia | wols: checked /var/log/exim4/mainlog doesn't say anything about the message |
| 22:57.26 | mumbles | ok vmware wont start up |
| 22:57.28 | mumbles | poo |
| 22:57.59 | acadia | wols: I ran test, by grabbing the location in the bounced back e-mail |
| 22:58.05 | acadia | wols: and running |
| 22:58.11 | acadia | wols: exim4 -bh ip address |
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| 22:58.26 | acadia | wols: to simulate like mail was being sent, from that mail server |
| 22:58.29 | acadia | wols: to mine |
| 22:58.40 | acadia | wols: HELO .... etc ... |
| 22:58.53 | acadia | wols: and it said everything excepted ok? |
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| 22:59.17 | acadia | wols: that's not very nice |
| 22:59.18 | wols | abuse your enter key with someone else |
| 22:59.30 | acadia | wols: ok thanks |
| 22:59.37 | acadia | anyone else run into this problem? |
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| 23:00.05 | McPetro | hello |
| 23:00.22 | McPetro | hola |
| 23:00.32 | supaman | mumbles: might try XEN or Qemu |
| 23:00.34 | acadia | coma es ta |
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| 23:00.51 | McPetro | acadia bien |
| 23:00.54 | wols | !es |
| 23:00.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:01.16 | mumbles | supaman: Qemu dosent work havent tried xen |
| 23:01.18 | McPetro | thnks dpkg |
| 23:01.27 | wols | mumbles: what do you want to do? why run windows? |
| 23:01.42 | cirdan | how to i recover my laptop from o=ispman.ldif |
| 23:01.46 | cirdan | lol |
| 23:01.48 | cirdan | ldap i mean |
| 23:01.50 | mumbles | was just a mission i set myself |
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| 23:02.07 | acadia | cirdan:? |
| 23:02.16 | cirdan | nm |
| 23:02.17 | McPetro | any one know the hurd? |
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| 23:02.27 | wols | !polls |
| 23:02.27 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 23:03.27 | acadia | any exim users out there? |
| 23:03.46 | acadia | can not send mail from remote user to my mail server |
| 23:04.00 | acadia | but sending mail locally between users on my mail server works fine |
| 23:04.25 | supaman | mumbles: the qemu wiki says windows work .. http://calamari.reverse-dns.net:980/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/QuickStartGuide |
| 23:04.37 | acadia | remote sender gets 553, sorry, relaying denied from your location message |
| 23:06.22 | abrotman | !drec acadia |
| 23:06.22 | dpkg | acadia: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 23:06.29 | abrotman | pick internet site |
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| 23:06.52 | \amethyst | acadia: it sounds like it doesn't think the mail is to your mail server |
| 23:07.42 | mumbles | supaman: thanks hadent seen that |
| 23:07.48 | acadia | dpkg: thanks reconfigured several times |
| 23:07.49 | dpkg | acadia: my pleasure |
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| 23:07.56 | \amethyst | acadia: if this is exim, you might want to look for dc_other_hostnames in the config, make sure that includes the To: domain |
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| 23:08.24 | acadia | \amethyst: the odd thing is i don't ever see any information about an attempted elivery in /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 23:08.59 | acadia | \amethyst: could it be dns, issue??? |
| 23:09.29 | \amethyst | acadia: possibly... is the remote machine actually sending mail to your server? maybe it's going elsewhere |
| 23:10.06 | acadia | \amethyst: ? I can't even tell, only message is the bounce back the sender gets |
| 23:10.30 | acadia | \amethyst: nothing about message at all on my server |
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| 23:10.36 | \amethyst | acadia: what about in the bounce? |
| 23:10.49 | \amethyst | acadia: is your machine the MX for the domain? |
| 23:11.29 | acadia | \amethyst: yes, I set it up so in exim |
| 23:11.30 | wols | telnet localhost 25 will give you all the answers |
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| 23:11.43 | \amethyst | acadia: you don't make yourself the MX in exim, you do that in DNS |
| 23:12.20 | acadia | \amethyst: ah ... that could be the problem |
| 23:12.21 | rootard | When I sign a .changes file is there a way to verify the changes file and all files it references easily? |
| 23:12.30 | acadia | \amethyst: how would i set that? |
| 23:12.47 | \amethyst | acadia: you control DNS for the domain in question? |
| 23:12.49 | cmanns | What should I apt-get for smp support on a k8 cpu |
| 23:13.02 | wols | \amethyst: do you really thing he needs an MX? |
| 23:13.10 | cmanns | kernel-image-2.6-686-smp ? |
| 23:13.18 | wols | cmanns: all debian kernels except the -486 are SMP capable |
| 23:13.24 | acadia | \amethyst: don't know, gave godaddy.com and ip, to point the domain to |
| 23:13.24 | abrotman | cmanns: linux-image-2.6-k7 .. at least |
| 23:13.26 | wols | cmanns: no. K7 or K8 |
| 23:13.40 | abrotman | cmanns: you are on etch .. right ? |
| 23:13.45 | cmanns | The k8 is 64bit which the vm doesnt support, abrotman yes |
| 23:13.55 | abrotman | then use the linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 23:14.01 | acadia | \amethyst: hosting company used different domain when setting me up |
| 23:14.01 | cmanns | alrite |
| 23:14.06 | cmanns | They should say for k8 too -_- |
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| 23:14.29 | moope1 | !message |
| 23:14.39 | abrotman | moope1: need something? |
| 23:14.47 | wols | abrotman: a cluebat |
| 23:14.48 | Odd_Bloke | Hmm, Debian has booted. However, when I log in, my spacebar key stops working (it works in TTYs and the login prompt). What could be causing this? |
| 23:15.02 | abrotman | bad keymap perhaps |
| 23:15.19 | Odd_Bloke | abrotman: Whereabouts should I be looking for that? |
| 23:15.29 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 23:15.29 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 23:15.35 | moope1 | wols: :/ |
| 23:15.43 | moope1 | how do I change the login message? |
| 23:15.59 | wols | !motd |
| 23:15.59 | dpkg | it has been said that motd is the Message Of The Day, or /etc/motd |
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| 23:16.04 | wols | doh |
| 23:16.06 | moope1 | ta |
| 23:16.08 | abrotman | or /etc/issue.net |
| 23:16.23 | wols | moope1: chaning /etc/motd will only work until the next reboot or so |
| 23:16.32 | moope1 | :( |
| 23:16.42 | moope1 | I cant make it now |
| 23:16.53 | moope1 | ah sod it, It needs a bounce anyhoo |
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| 23:17.06 | wols | I didn't say you should reboot |
| 23:18.10 | acadia | \amethyst: think I got what you were saying, about MX |
| 23:18.33 | acadia | \amethyst: I'm using virtual domain setup with exim, mysql |
| 23:18.52 | acadia | \amethyst: would you still need a MX record? |
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| 23:19.01 | \amethyst | acadia: I have no idea |
| 23:19.12 | \amethyst | acadia: you should talk to your host's support |
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| 23:19.27 | moope1 | Whys it called motd when you have to reboot for the users to see it? |
| 23:19.29 | acadia | \amethyst: yeah, doing that at same time, waiting for them to get back to me, been working on this for 4 days |
| 23:19.40 | wols | moope1: you misunderstood me. I didn't say that |
| 23:19.45 | acadia | \amethyst: Thanks very much, though, you've been very helpful |
| 23:19.45 | abrotman | moope1: you don't |
| 23:20.17 | kspath_ | !spank abrotman |
| 23:20.18 | Nyle | Azar: hi |
| 23:20.23 | valdyn | moope1: motd is generated each startup. If you want to change content permanently, that's the wrong file to edit |
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| 23:20.47 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:20.55 | kspath_ | Hello there |
| 23:21.01 | moope1 | Ah I see, sorry. Im not very with it at the moment |
| 23:21.06 | Azar | Nyle: :) |
| 23:21.25 | Tramp | moope1: apparently you can write permanent stuff into motd.tail |
| 23:21.33 | wols | \amethyst: it's not his host's fault that his configuration is wrong |
| 23:21.35 | acadia | \amethyst: ha and the answer is YES!!!!!!!!! Just read!, thanks dude, wouldn't have thought about it had you not mentioned MX Record |
| 23:21.45 | moope1 | ta everyone |
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| 23:30.47 | cmanns | I removed linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 and another 486 image, this fine to do? |
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| 23:31.19 | abrotman | bad stew bad! |
| 23:31.27 | simon | as long as there's a bootable image, cmanns. :) |
| 23:31.30 | abrotman | cmanns: did you leave a kernel to boot ? |
| 23:31.37 | wols | if it's not your last linux-image: no problem |
| 23:31.38 | stew | abrotman: ¿que? |
| 23:31.43 | cmanns | I got hte k7 kernel running atm :D |
| 23:31.55 | abrotman | stew: you'll get the flu times two! |
| 23:31.56 | cmanns | it gave me symbolic errors for vmzlinux.old or something |
| 23:31.58 | simon | cmanns, it is generally wise always to have a backup kernel you are sure works. |
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| 23:32.04 | cmanns | oh |
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| 23:32.18 | simon | cmanns, especially when you are experimenting with your current kernel. |
| 23:32.18 | cmanns | thanks for letting me know simon |
| 23:32.32 | cmanns | Should I reinstall them or just leave as is? |
| 23:32.40 | Azar | Nyle: say something, say hi to papa abrotman |
| 23:32.51 | abrotman | Azar: nyle and i have each other on ignore |
| 23:33.02 | jelly-home | cmanns: leave at least the one you're using right now |
| 23:33.06 | cmanns | alrighty |
| 23:33.19 | Azar | abrotman: ah, I see.. to sad |
| 23:33.24 | cmanns | I've never compiled a kernel though I've told its usefull, should I bother? |
| 23:33.38 | wols | cmanns: no |
| 23:33.38 | abrotman | Azar: i'm doing my part to keep the channel from degrading into total chaos :) |
| 23:33.47 | simon | cmanns, not if you don't actually have a reason to. the reason could be getting familiar with the system. :) |
| 23:33.50 | Azar | oh wait, he is fasting, that means he can't indulge a conversation with you: you are feeding him |
| 23:34.06 | simon | cmanns, if you need a specific feature in your kernel, there are other advantages in using a precompiled kernel image. |
| 23:34.11 | cmanns | I only use lighttpd/mysql/php-cgi/memcached, would it be worth it for me? |
| 23:34.25 | simon | cmanns, if you don't know, it's probably not. |
| 23:34.38 | wols | cmanns: no |
| 23:35.04 | guillaume | what I have to do if I wanna delete all samba and network sharing configuration in order to reset it ? |
| 23:35.11 | abrotman | cmanns: more than likely .. you don't want or need to |
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| 23:35.46 | cmanns | alrighty |
| 23:35.50 | guillaume | I see only this solution as I can't get answer on #samba channel |
| 23:36.01 | cmanns | Anything else I should look into while I got a bare server? |
| 23:36.10 | simon | I wonder - is there a loadable kernel module available for temporary encrypted memory partitions? |
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| 23:41.28 | PF | alaQ: What is your Quest? |
| 23:41.38 | alaQ | hrm? |
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| 23:42.43 | acadia | \amethyst: your a got tam genious, added mx record via godaddy site, and voila all is swell!!! |
| 23:42.44 | alaQ | PF: what do you mean? |
| 23:42.56 | guillaume | Nautilus can't display « smb:/// » |
| 23:43.01 | acadia | \amethyst: thanks again dude |
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| 23:44.19 | abrotman | guillaume: known issue iirc |
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| 23:44.54 | guillaume | abrotman: where I find info to fix that ? |
| 23:44.56 | fasta | When I su -l foo, then foo has $HOME=/home/bar. AFAIK, foo has no initialization files. |
| 23:45.16 | abrotman | guillaume: i dont' think you can |
| 23:45.22 | jelly-home | simon: create a file on tmpfs, losetup with encryption, format and use? :-) |
| 23:45.27 | abrotman | guillaume: ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 23:45.31 | PF | alaQ: Do I need to explain? |
| 23:45.49 | jelly-home | simon: er, make that ramfs probably |
| 23:45.50 | fasta | How can I make sure that after su -l foo, foo has $HOME=/home/foo? |
| 23:45.55 | abrotman | guillaume: though i can't remember if the SMB issue was sarge or etch |
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| 23:46.10 | alaQ | PF: I seek the Holy Grail? |
| 23:46.14 | guillaume | abrotman: my network no more work :( I'm under testing |
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| 23:47.20 | abrotman | guillaume: maybe that's why smb:// doesn't work ? |
| 23:47.50 | fasta | When I login as foo from the console, the environment is sane. |
| 23:48.12 | guillaume | abrotman: When I speak of my network I mean shared folders and printers |
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| 23:49.44 | civillian | guillaume: there's an example smb.conf.default.gz in samba-doc which you can copy if you have samba-doc (which you should) |
| 23:50.02 | civillian | guillaume: just make sure you backup your current just in case |
| 23:51.15 | guillaume | abrotman: I'll as it make a lots of days I try to fix this problem (my smbd and nmbd deamon run properly but I had no access to network shared ressources) |
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| 23:53.20 | simon | jelly-home, I've already got a tmpfs partition mounted. is that shared memory? |
| 23:53.22 | abrotman | guillaume: can other machines map to it ? |
| 23:53.38 | abrotman | fasta: no optoins in man su ? |
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| 23:53.53 | simon | jelly-home, I see that it is. thanks. |
| 23:53.56 | fasta | abrotman: -l is supposed to work |
| 23:54.01 | fasta | abrotman: but it doesn't. |
| 23:54.06 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:54.24 | fasta | Provide an environment similar to what the user would expect had the user logged in directly. |
| 23:54.26 | \amethyst | fasta: have you modified your /etc/pam.d/su ? |
| 23:54.27 | jelly-home | simon: if you mean /dev/shm then yes that space is used to provide shm |
| 23:54.38 | abrotman | fasta: that's not what it means by environment |
| 23:54.40 | fasta | \amethyst: no |
| 23:55.10 | jelly-home | simon: don't use it for your crap, mount another tmpfs (or ramfs, tmpfs can be swapped out afair) |
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| 23:55.26 | fasta | abrotman: environment implies environmental variables to me |
| 23:55.27 | abrotman | fasta: AIUI .. -l checks your . files etc |
| 23:55.41 | abrotman | fasta: yes .. su -l user .. then echo $HOME .. what does it say ? |
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| 23:55.55 | fasta | abrotman: I already said: /home/bar |
| 23:56.00 | fasta | abrotman: not /home/foo |
| 23:56.25 | abrotman | and if you su - foo ? |
| 23:56.30 | simon | jelly-home, I'll go with ramfs then. |
| 23:56.38 | abrotman | though that should be the same as -l |
| 23:56.58 | fasta | abrotman: same problem |
| 23:57.01 | \amethyst | fasta: is something causing su to get called with -m or -p (an alias etc)? |
| 23:57.05 | fasta | abrotman: (and I had tried that already) |
| 23:57.17 | \amethyst | fasta: even without -l, su is supposed to be setting $HOME |
| 23:57.34 | abrotman | is $HOME set in /etc/passwd ? |
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| 23:57.44 | fasta | \amethyst: I run the su - foo command as root and the .bashrc file is almost empty(and doesn't show anything relevant) |
| 23:58.13 | cmanns | Anyone here setup icc sucussfully? |
| 23:58.47 | cmanns | I got it installed on another debian etch box but I kept getting the error compiler cannot create executables |
| 23:59.03 | wols | !b-e cmanns |
| 23:59.03 | dpkg | cmanns: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 23:59.06 | abrotman | !b-e |
| 23:59.06 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
| 23:59.13 | abrotman | oh .. |
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| 23:59.16 | abrotman | !qotd49 |
| 23:59.16 | dpkg | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 23:59.20 | abrotman | hehe |
