| 00:00.05 | |porta| | is there some doc's I should read to help me get away from the ms mentallity? I'm still learning and am lost |
| 00:00.33 | dondelelcaro | !debian reference |
| 00:00.33 | dpkg | the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
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| 00:00.50 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: the above is probably usefull, as well as man aptitude; and some of the other manpages |
| 00:01.05 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: if there are specific things that you want to know about, asking here for a pointer to additional documentation is a good idea |
| 00:01.35 | |porta| | Thank you. I'm trying to set up a web server and trying to remote login at home to play with it. Havn't figgured out how to install ssh or something to give a full gui. |
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| 00:01.49 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: just aptitude install ssh; |
| 00:02.03 | |porta| | does ssh -X work in debian? |
| 00:02.14 | |porta| | for small graphics? |
| 00:02.16 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: if you've got xbase-clients (or xauth installed) yes |
| 00:02.29 | |porta| | ?? what are xbase? |
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| 00:02.37 | |porta| | meening they have xwindows? |
| 00:03.01 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: yes, you could install the X server if you wanted |
| 00:03.26 | |porta| | is x server different? I'm not 100% sure I understand. |
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| 00:04.39 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: X is sometimes called Xwindows, though it really isn't named that. It's the X Window System or X11 or X; xorg (the X server in Debian) is a specific implementation of the X server. |
| 00:05.28 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: you and your outmoded insistence that terminology be used correctly! |
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| 00:06.10 | |porta| | is X11 older than X server? I remember seeing X11 a few years agoe with my brothers computer |
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| 00:06.25 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: X11 has been around for a very, very long time |
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| 00:06.54 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: but it's the 11 version of the X Window System |
| 00:07.17 | dailoom | does firefox have no option to turn off sound to stop doodling websites from disturbing my nice radio stream? |
| 00:07.33 | |porta| | What do you recomend I do to learn? I can do almost anything with a ms windows computer but am limmited on a linux machine with the lack of knowledge? |
| 00:07.35 | dondelelcaro | dailoom: that's a function of whatever plugin is playing the sound |
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| 00:08.13 | dondelelcaro | (in fact, X11 is 20 years old this month) |
| 00:08.16 | dondelelcaro | well, last month |
| 00:08.30 | dondelelcaro | dailoom: probably flash if I were to guess |
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| 00:08.47 | Guerin | |porta|: just use the OS and read about anything you don't understand |
| 00:08.50 | Guerin | use it all the time |
| 00:08.53 | Guerin | for everything |
| 00:09.10 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: the best way to learn is to start by doing; just make sure to budget time to read about the background |
| 00:09.18 | dailoom | dondelelcaro: its coming from the java plugin. is there a way to tell that plugin to sh'up? |
| 00:09.24 | |porta| | the only ms winodws xp system I have is running in a linux vmware and I have it incase I need it for school. |
| 00:10.13 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: any clue as to why latex might break (fail to compile complaining of EOF) on \verb|%| in a footnote? It works fine in the main body; i just need to include a url with the proper |
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| 00:10.22 | kspath | Funny how I had a UnixWorld issue that said that the fragmentation of Unix might hurt it in competition with windows and look at Linux now |
| 00:10.32 | geo-rge | |porta|: what are three things that you don't understand now that you want to in the next week or two? |
| 00:10.33 | |porta| | Is there a link to explain how to get wifi working on a laptop? it is a wifi by dell only. |
| 00:10.34 | Guerin | ... with the proper % sign, no escapes or such malarkey |
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| 00:10.47 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: and \% doesn't work? |
| 00:10.53 | Guerin | |porta|: find out what chipset it is and go from there. lspci will tell you. |
| 00:11.02 | geo-rge | ok, one is how to get dell wifi going. two more? |
| 00:11.14 | zenwryly | how do I use ip_nat_pptp with my nat setup? |
| 00:11.14 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: it renders as \% which breaks the url |
| 00:11.25 | Guerin | in a \url{} environment |
| 00:11.26 | |porta| | wifi on my laptop. remote loging with and without a gui. |
| 00:11.31 | |porta| | ty |
| 00:12.20 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: it doesn't do that here |
| 00:12.28 | geo-rge | ok briefly explain "remote loging" (there are a coupla possibilities, and I'm pretty sure you only mean one of those) |
| 00:12.41 | |porta| | ak..... it is a 0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01) |
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| 00:12.52 | kspath | I can not believe that UnixWorld has not been published since Dec 1995. It feel like yesterday. |
| 00:12.57 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: in a footnote? |
| 00:13.12 | dondelelcaro | Oh... footnote |
| 00:13.23 | Guerin | yeah ... I think that's the source of the problem |
| 00:13.41 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, it's still fine there too |
| 00:13.52 | dondelelcaro | \footnote{\url{testing\%50}} |
| 00:13.56 | equant | I'm having trouble figuring out how to make X start so that it's listening for network connections. Can anyone help? I'm not sure where xorg is started; I'd like to remove -nolisten. |
| 00:14.25 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: renders as `testing%50' in tt? |
| 00:14.31 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: in the pdf |
| 00:15.36 | |porta| | what is a good irc program to use? |
| 00:15.36 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: my footnote renders as `5 testing\%50' |
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| 00:15.47 | geo-rge | maybe the one you're using now :) |
| 00:15.52 | Guerin | normally I wouldn't either, but this thing has been breaking it |
| 00:15.55 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: hrm... are you using texlive? |
| 00:16.00 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yes. |
| 00:16.05 | Guerin | #latex is stumped too |
| 00:16.07 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: irssi is what most of us would recommend |
| 00:16.17 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: can you reduce it to a small testcase? |
| 00:16.22 | |porta| | ty |
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| 00:16.35 | kspath | |porta|: weechat and xchat are ok if you do not like irssi enough |
| 00:16.40 | dondelelcaro | (though some X deviants may say xchat) |
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| 00:16.51 | |porta| | ty I will try all. |
| 00:16.52 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yep. There's quite a lot of bibtex stuff in there, but none of it should be touching the footnotes. |
| 00:17.23 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, was thinking just like the smallest case that still caused it; do you have a old version of hyperref laying about by chance? |
| 00:17.24 | kspath | Guerin: Do you all use scribe or lyx? |
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| 00:17.50 | geo-rge | speaking of irssi... what is "/set notify"? when I just do that, it gives some timeframes, including idle |
| 00:18.02 | geo-rge | what do each mean specifically? |
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| 00:18.45 | GhostlyDeath | OFTC Down? |
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| 00:18.56 | dondelelcaro | no, oftc is still functional |
| 00:19.00 | ringo999 | hi, anyone here running windows and debian in parallel on the same machine? how did you partition your harddisk, how do you share files between the two systems? |
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| 00:19.07 | GhostlyDeath | working now |
| 00:19.19 | GhostlyDeath | kept saying unknown host for a while |
| 00:19.23 | geo-rge | is oftc going to quit permanently? |
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| 00:19.38 | GhostlyDeath | Internet went out for a bit |
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| 00:20.09 | GhostlyDeath | could be satellite because it was pretty cloudy here |
| 00:20.10 | geo-rge | I went out with internet the other day... we had ice cream and chicken sandwiches |
| 00:20.27 | nkuttler | ringo999: define share. do you need rw on both sides? |
| 00:20.40 | GhostlyDeath | geo-rge, who would name their kid internet? |
| 00:21.00 | geo-rge | yeah! who would do such a thing?! |
| 00:21.06 | dondelelcaro | better than the intarweb |
| 00:21.12 | |porta| | another stupid question. After installing the irssi, xchat and weechat... do I need to creat an icon for them in the menu's? |
| 00:21.13 | ringo999 | nkuttler: that would be could, i thought about a separate ntfs partition |
| 00:21.20 | ringo999 | *good |
| 00:21.31 | geo-rge | no you don't have to |
| 00:21.37 | ringo999 | nkuttler: or what do you recommend? |
| 00:21.49 | gwern | 'lo all. I have a bit of a problem. I can't seem to get any of the installation cds to work with my cdrom drive/new sata hard drive (not sure which), and so I took a regular hard drive, stuck it in another computer, installed debian, and then put said hard drive into my main computer thinking I could then fdisk the new sata hard drive and do a new install or copy over the other's install. but the sata hard drive seems to always take the ... |
| 00:21.51 | geo-rge | for one, debian package will put them in menu |
| 00:21.57 | gwern | ... name '/dev/hda' which is what the debian installation on the other hard drive thinks it is at! and so when I boot up, it starts talking about "Begin: mounting root file system..." and so on and then tries to mount /dev/hda (the new sata not the old ide) as its root, which obviously didn't work since the sata drive is completely blank, hence the problem. is there any way to ask grub just what name the ide drive is at or somehow cause ... |
| 00:22.02 | gwern | ... it to have the ide drive work and do the right thing and not spit me into a useless busybox initramfs? |
| 00:22.10 | |porta| | weechat is the only one I found in the menu |
| 00:22.15 | nkuttler | ringo999: ditch windows... i'd use a fat partition because last time i checked ntfs rw was flaky. some years ago though |
| 00:22.33 | geo-rge | for another, you should be able to call them from the shell |
| 00:22.47 | ringo999 | nkuttler: i read that ntfs has stable rw support now |
| 00:23.09 | ringo999 | nkuttler: i cant ditch windows unfortunately (as much as i would love to!) |
| 00:23.14 | Esor_ | good night |
| 00:23.48 | ringo999 | also, is there any good free harddisk encryption for debian? |
| 00:24.04 | gwern | (is this something I should be looking for a #grub to ask instead of #debian?) |
| 00:25.07 | GhostlyDeath | Thank god IRC was made for 2kbps connections because my internet connection isn't doing good right now |
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| 00:27.38 | linux_jones | does anyone know what libstdc++ is for and how to intall it, it seems to be the only think keeping me from using fglrx driver |
| 00:27.40 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/38802 |
| 00:27.51 | |porta| | I'm having a problem with a usb wireless mouse and keyboard?? I put new batteries in and it's working when it wants too. Is there something in debian that dosn't like usb devices? |
| 00:27.51 | azeem | linux_jones: it's probably not |
| 00:28.06 | azeem | linux_jones: kernel drivers don't need the C++ standard library |
| 00:28.21 | linux_jones | azeem, oh |
| 00:28.31 | gwern | 'library standard C++' sounds kind of important if you use any c++ apps |
| 00:28.31 | azeem | linux_jones: so maybe report the error you're getting, and what you're trying to do |
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| 00:33.09 | linux_jones | http://pastebin.ca/726248 the x log of when i try to use fglrx, and the screen just stays black for a while and then x tells me it didnt work |
| 00:33.12 | linux_jones | any ideas? |
| 00:33.28 | geo-rge | gwern: many times yes... but there is the odd occasion where a c++ program doesn't actually use any part of the standard c++ lib |
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| 00:33.39 | azeem | linux_jones: eh, x says "it didn't work"? |
| 00:33.41 | azeem | I doubt that |
| 00:34.01 | geo-rge | nono, it said "uht dint werk" |
| 00:34.08 | Guerin | perhaps he's using the `vernacular error messages' patchset |
| 00:34.20 | linux_jones | azeem, it tells me that x failed to load, and let me view the logs |
| 00:34.29 | azeem | linux_jones: how did you install fglrx? |
| 00:34.37 | linux_jones | dpkg |
| 00:34.53 | azeem | and apt-get -f install reports nothing? |
| 00:34.58 | geo-rge | how more exactly, and in much closer detail? |
| 00:36.19 | Wyzard | Hey, nifty, I can rearrange buttons in the GNOME taskbar by dragging them around |
| 00:36.25 | Wyzard | couldn't do that before... I guess it's a 2.20 thing |
| 00:36.31 | linux_jones | no it doesnt, and i downloaded the ati installer, it made the packages, and then dpkg -i.. |
| 00:37.05 | azeem | linux_jones: it made crappy packages apparently |
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| 00:38.27 | linux_jones | azeem, the only one i didnt install were the dev packages, and thats because the page i was led by didnt tell me to, should i? |
| 00:38.57 | azeem | no, you shouldn't have read that page you were lead by in the first place |
| 00:39.00 | azeem | !fglrx |
| 00:39.00 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>. |
| 00:39.10 | _linux_jones | !ops linux_jones trolling |
| 00:39.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: _linux_jones complains about: linux_jones trolling |
| 00:39.12 | garotosopa | Hi. I'm on Lenny and just upgraded the kernel from 2.6.18 to 2.6.22 but it stops booting with Waiting for root filesystem. Could somebody advice me on what to do? |
| 00:39.24 | azeem | penos: ? |
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| 00:40.05 | azeem | penos: do you want to be silenced for bot abuse, or do you have a good explanation? |
| 00:40.10 | azeem | eh, ops abue |
| 00:40.11 | azeem | abuse* |
| 00:40.31 | dakoo | ban the sod |
| 00:40.42 | gravity | wtf |
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| 00:42.31 | dev-bin | hello #debian |
| 00:42.42 | penos | hi |
| 00:42.46 | penos | dev-bin: how are you |
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| 00:46.16 | dev-bin | great |
| 00:46.17 | dev-bin | ty |
| 00:46.27 | dev-bin | except :) |
| 00:46.34 | dev-bin | I can't get xserver to start |
| 00:46.43 | penos | that's good. i'm no good at being evil |
| 00:46.52 | cockroach | Guerin: cool, that installer seems to work (so far). thanks again. |
| 00:47.13 | Guerin | cockroach: no wuckin' furries mate. |
| 00:47.17 | dev-bin | what information from me would help get this resolved? |
| 00:47.19 | azeem | penos: please either ask Debian questions, help support people with Debian questions, or stay quiet |
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| 00:48.57 | dev-bin | its x64 |
| 00:49.08 | dev-bin | I have an amd athlon 64 3200 |
| 00:49.19 | dev-bin | pcie Ati Radeon x700 pro |
| 00:49.37 | penos | dev-bin: are you using Xorg? |
| 00:50.08 | linux_jones | ok so i tried the one liner but it says Package fglrx-control is not available, but is referred to by another package., what is that supposed to mean |
| 00:50.15 | gwern | anyone know how to edit a device.map from within the grub shell? |
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| 00:50.53 | azeem | linux_jones: do you have non-free in your sources.list |
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| 00:52.25 | geo-rge | hmm... isolated (but weird) incident that didn't go much of anywhere |
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| 00:52.33 | dev-bin | yes |
| 00:52.55 | geo-rge | harmless to a degree but challengint |
| 00:52.57 | geo-rge | g |
| 00:53.20 | dev-bin | xorg |
| 00:53.33 | cockroach | euhm, before i waste "precious" time: can grub boot off a software raid-1 partition? |
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| 00:53.55 | geo-rge | your time -is- precious |
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| 00:54.23 | dev-bin | would the log file help? |
| 00:54.56 | garotosopa | Hi. I'm on Lenny and just upgraded the kernel from 2.6.18 to 2.6.22 but it stops booting with Waiting for root filesystem. Could somebody advice me on what to do? |
| 00:55.29 | geo-rge | I'm going... but tell them exactly how you upgraded |
| 00:55.59 | geo-rge | if a one-line command, quote it exactly... if not, go into detail |
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| 00:56.38 | penos | dev-bin: check /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 00:57.20 | linux_jones | azeem, do i just add the same line as the main at the end of sources.list, but change main to non-free? |
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| 00:59.42 | dev-bin | penos: check it for what? |
| 01:00.42 | penos | dev-bin: you didn't give enough information, so i can't answer that |
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| 01:01.02 | gwern | garotosopa: ironically, I have almost the same problem being caused by an ide disk with a debian install and a blank sata disk stealing the /dev/hda name the ide is assuming itself to be under |
| 01:01.08 | gwern | stupid device.map |
| 01:01.54 | garotosopa | gwern, I think the kernel is expecting some scsi/sata device although I only have an IDE disk. is there somewhere I could check it out? |
| 01:02.33 | dev-bin | penos: sorry, what info do you want from me? |
| 01:03.25 | Guerin | dev-bin: he's a troll, ignore him. |
| 01:03.38 | dev-bin | I need help, I have to take what I can get :0 |
| 01:04.11 | Guerin | dev-bin: grep EE /var/log/xorg.log -> paster (/topic). I can't help you but that's a start. |
| 01:04.18 | penos | dev-bin: probably hardware information like your monitor, graphics card, and peripheral devices |
| 01:05.53 | dev-bin | I gave my basic hardware above... in more detail... |
| 01:06.14 | penos | penos: plus corresponding entries in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:06.14 | dev-bin | asus av8e-deluxe, 2gb mem, viewsonic e771 monitor |
| 01:06.33 | penos | dev-bin: your keyboard and mouse |
| 01:07.35 | dev-bin | microsoft keyboard, no mouse |
| 01:07.51 | penos | dev-bin: plz post /etc/X11/xorg.conf in pastebin [sidenote: people expect you to perform to their standard within their frame of mind, but i flatly reject this] |
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| 01:08.41 | dev-bin | haha, ok.. I'kll have to figure out how to get that file from pc1 to pc2 so i can paste it |
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| 01:15.41 | dev-bin | it detects my usb drive, how do I access it? |
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| 01:16.26 | tw-nym | I'm trying to install kerberos 5 on debian 4 and I'm following the installation guide on the krb5 website but I keep getting the error "Syntax error in profile relation while retreiving configuration parameters" which shows a few people with the same problem and no solution. |
| 01:16.36 | tw-nym | Where should I look next? |
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| 01:21.25 | gwern | garotosopa: you might want to look at device.map somewhere in /boot |
| 01:21.57 | garotosopa | gwern, I had to change grub's root= and fstab from hda to sda (don't ask me why) |
| 01:22.11 | garotosopa | gwern, now it's booting fine |
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| 01:26.23 | IndyGunFreak | anyone here be willing to pastebin their debian etch source list?.... i hosed mine on accident and didn't have a backup.. or know where i can create/download a good one? US repos |
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| 01:27.09 | penos | IndyGunFreak: search google for [ubuntu sources.list generator] |
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| 01:27.20 | IndyGunFreak | penos: but i need one for debian etch... |
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| 01:27.25 | IndyGunFreak | i found lots of ubuntu repo generators |
| 01:28.15 | monkeyBox | Hi all, I'm having a wierd problem w/ Apache/ModRewrite. It seems to be interpreting my images/ folder incorrectly. When I go to /site/images/something.jpg, the rewritelog shows that apache sees it initially as /site/images.cache.php/something.jpg, before any of the rewrite rules even touch the url. Why is this happening? |
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| 01:30.44 | node_6 | :) I'm having one of those "god I love linux" moments |
| 01:31.12 | penos | IndyGunFreak: search google for [debian etch official repositories] |
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| 01:31.46 | UncleD | instead its cutting and outputting f3 to stdout, i want all the other stuff to output. |
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| 01:32.41 | UncleD | What is the opposite of cut -f3 -d ' ' ---> I want to display everything EXCEPT what its display with <-- command. its cutting and outputting f3 to stdout, i want all the other stuff to output. |
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| 01:33.31 | kurohyou | exit |
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| 01:36.00 | IndyGunFreak | penos: i guess i must be missing it, cuz i'm not seeing a single offical debian etch repo list |
| 01:36.37 | penos | IndyGunFreak: search google for ["debian etch official repo"] |
| 01:36.44 | IndyGunFreak | penos: i did |
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| 01:37.39 | penos | IndyGunFreak: search google for [allinurl:etch sources list] |
| 01:37.55 | Tramp | UncleD: man cut tells me about --complement |
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| 01:39.31 | UncleD | Tramp: Golden, thank you |
| 01:39.37 | UncleD | I never knew thats what complement did :) |
| 01:39.49 | Tramp | or "-2,4-" appears to accomplish it as well |
| 01:40.32 | Tramp | and gosh, this manpage is 86 lines long ... |
| 01:40.36 | UncleD | Tramp: cut "-2,4-" --complement -d ' ' ? |
| 01:40.45 | |porta| | by default is the commands Ctrl-Alt-F1 threw F7 not enabled? |
| 01:40.59 | azeem | |porta|: they are |
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| 01:41.20 | Tramp | UncleD: either "-f3" --complement or "-f-2,4-" I'd say. I leave the testing to you |
| 01:41.41 | UncleD | thx for the explanation |
| 01:41.42 | UncleD | :) |
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| 01:42.03 | |porta| | azeem: ty |
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| 01:42.38 | tw-nym | I'm thinking there is something wrong with my dns configuration, but I'm still getting the "Syntax error in profile relation while retreiving configuration parameters" I wish it would be more verbose. |
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| 01:42.53 | tw-nym | Has anyone seen this sort of thing in kerberos 5 before? |
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| 02:05.39 | debinusa | whenever I turn on my machine I need to set up my local IP (eth0) and add the default route... why does this happen? |
| 02:05.58 | blahdeblah | Hi. I'm having trouble with the sarge version of logwatch - i don't seem to be able to override scripts by putting a new one in /etc/logwatch/scripts/services. Any ideas? |
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| 02:07.00 | abrotman | debinusa: man 5 interfaces .. set up the interface correctly |
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| 02:07.21 | debinusa | thanks abrotman |
| 02:07.34 | abrotman | !wb stew |
| 02:07.34 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! stew has returned! |
| 02:07.55 | stew | hiya |
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| 02:12.48 | devicenull` | Is there a simple way for me to reinstall grub, but this time install it to the partition rather then the MBR? |
| 02:13.29 | windyh | how do I get my dns setting in network manager to stick? If I reboot, it goes away. I think the problem started when I switched my mic from 3com to marvell with atl1 module. |
| 02:13.52 | abrotman | is it dhcp or static ? |
| 02:13.59 | windyh | grub-install /dev/hdxn |
| 02:14.15 | windyh | static |
| 02:14.36 | windyh | ifconfig shows that eth1 has the right number, and I can ping on the local network |
| 02:14.53 | abrotman | wrong person ? |
| 02:14.57 | windyh | just no dns setting, and resolv.conf says "do not edit" |
| 02:15.06 | windyh | oh, sorry |
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| 02:25.45 | HIGH | hi. i want to run eMule on my DesktopPC and access it from my Ubuntu-powered laptop. The desktop-pc is supposed to download. i just want to control them from my laptop. does anyone know how to do that? |
| 02:25.58 | abrotman | remote X |
| 02:26.11 | abrotman | though .. honestly .. you could use rtorrent in a screen |
| 02:26.20 | node_6 | can someone do apt-file search stubs-32.h and tell me if/what it finds? |
| 02:26.26 | HIGH | the desktop runs win |
| 02:27.10 | HIGH | i thought of some eMule-MOD and a client on my laptop. |
| 02:27.35 | abrotman | rdesktop |
| 02:27.45 | abrotman | node_6: packages.debian.org |
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| 02:28.40 | node_6 | abrotman: exactly. souldn't it find libc6-dev-i386? |
| 02:29.04 | abrotman | !find stubs-32.h etch |
| 02:29.42 | node_6 | add to that, doing apt-get install libc6-dev-i386 reports that the package is broken |
| 02:29.53 | abrotman | are you on amd64 |
| 02:29.54 | abrotman | ? |
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| 02:30.07 | node_6 | yes |
| 02:30.26 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 02:30.26 | dpkg | salut |
| 02:30.29 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 02:31.48 | karsten | Hrm. SW RAID, how does one go about creating partition devices for partitioned RAID devices. |
| 02:32.07 | abrotman | fdisk ? |
| 02:32.11 | karsten | Eg: /dev/md/0 has two partitions /dev/md/0p1 and /dev/md/0p2 |
| 02:32.11 | Wyzard | karsten: I'd assume they get created automatically when you start the array |
| 02:32.26 | Wyzard | karsten: but LVM over RAID is better anyway :-) |
| 02:32.27 | karsten | abrotman: No, the partition device files doen't exist. I've created the partitions themse4lves. |
| 02:32.28 | abrotman | karsten: hint .. buy a hardware controller :) |
| 02:32.32 | karsten | mounting is a PITA> |
| 02:32.35 | karsten | Wyzard: LVM is ass. |
| 02:32.42 | abrotman | karsten is ass! |
| 02:32.43 | karsten | abrotman: Not an option here. |
| 02:32.49 | abrotman | karsten: always an option |
| 02:32.58 | karsten | abrotman: I've got a HW controller on this system. Doesn't let me sub-allocate devices. |
| 02:33.14 | abrotman | it's a dell controller eh ? :) |
| 02:33.18 | node_6 | abrotman: sorry, are you satisfied that I'm crazy? why do I not see the correct package come up and why doesn't the correct package install? |
| 02:33.20 | karsten | abrotman: I'd need space for too many physical disks for the enclosure. |
| 02:33.28 | karsten | abrotman: LSI Logic, Sun v40z. |
| 02:33.45 | abrotman | node_6: what's the file ? |
| 02:33.56 | node_6 | stubs-32.h |
| 02:34.02 | abrotman | - or _ ? |
| 02:34.04 | karsten | I think what I need are magic numbers. |
| 02:34.20 | node_6 | - |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | i don't have amd64 here |
| 02:34.34 | abrotman | argh .. make me fire up abrowser! |
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| 02:34.43 | node_6 | very well then |
| 02:34.49 | node_6 | thanks for your time :) |
| 02:35.05 | node_6 | I suppose I should get some sleep anyways |
| 02:35.11 | karsten | Feck. |
| 02:35.13 | abrotman | /usr/include/i486-linux-gnu/gnu/stubs-32.h libc6-dev-i386 |
| 02:35.16 | abrotman | in lenny .. not etch |
| 02:35.34 | node_6 | yeah, but I'm on etch |
| 02:35.36 | karsten | Major 9, minor 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, ... == /dev/md/0, 1, 2, 3, 4, ... |
| 02:35.49 | abrotman | node_6: maybe it doesn't exist ? |
| 02:36.26 | node_6 | that explains why apt-file didn't find it, but not why libc6-dev-i386 did not install |
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| 02:37.31 | node_6 | http://pastebin.ca/726344 |
| 02:37.36 | node_6 | fyi |
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| 02:38.02 | EMH_Mark3 | heya.. having a problem updating/using apt: I get the message 'Dynamic MMap ran out of room'. However, I already increased the cache size to 200MB+ and still get the problem. What might I be doing wrong? |
| 02:38.23 | abrotman | node_6: you're mixing veresions |
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| 02:38.31 | abrotman | !tell EMH_Mark3 about mmap |
| 02:38.32 | node_6 | eh? |
| 02:38.45 | abrotman | !info libc6 etch |
| 02:38.47 | abrotman | !info libc6 lenny |
| 02:38.47 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 4588 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
| 02:39.00 | abrotman | bot? |
| 02:39.02 | EMH_Mark3 | right... I already did that as mentionned |
| 02:39.10 | abrotman | EMH_Mark3: make it a bigger number |
| 02:39.21 | EMH_Mark3 | bigger than 200mb? O_o |
| 02:39.29 | abrotman | EMH_Mark3: you have lots of sources ? |
| 02:39.31 | karsten | If I'm reading this right, I *can* do: partition the physical disks, assemble RAID arrays out of the partitions. What I *can't* do is RAID whole disk, partition the array, and create filesystems on the partitions of the array itself. |
| 02:39.33 | stew | EMH_Mark3: or get rid of some sources you don't really need |
| 02:40.00 | abrotman | well .. apparently libc6 isn't in lenny .. |
| 02:40.19 | Wyzard | karsten: Partitionable arrays are possible according to man mdadm... |
| 02:40.31 | EMH_Mark3 | only have 7 sources, most of them debian |
| 02:40.49 | abrotman | EMH_Mark3: what number did you set it to ? |
| 02:40.53 | karsten | Wyzard: Where are you seeing that? |
| 02:41.11 | EMH_Mark3 | APT::Cache-Limit "3013265920"; |
| 02:41.14 | karsten | Wyzard: Ah... |
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| 02:41.21 | EMH_Mark3 | that's 3gb |
| 02:41.25 | abrotman | it is |
| 02:41.27 | stew | EMH_Mark3: why do you need more than 3 sources from debian? |
| 02:41.27 | node_6 | nuff for the nite. thanks again abrotman. you'll probably see me around tomorrow begging the same thing :P |
| 02:41.29 | karsten | Wyzard: Hrm... Need to create the device files with mdadm itself... |
| 02:41.47 | Wyzard | karsten: aha |
| 02:41.58 | EMH_Mark3 | contrib/non-free for stable, testing & unstable.. that's 6 |
| 02:42.02 | Wyzard | karsten: I'd just use LVM though... I don't see why you don't like it |
| 02:42.29 | karsten | Wyzard: Another layer of indirection and complexity. |
| 02:42.46 | karsten | Wyzard: If I can get the same results with just md, so much the better. |
| 02:42.53 | abrotman | EMH_Mark3: can you paste your sources somewhere ? |
| 02:43.04 | EMH_Mark3 | sure one sec |
| 02:43.07 | Wyzard | karsten: which provides flexibility in repartitioning, and stays out of the way the rest of the time |
| 02:43.57 | EMH_Mark3 | http://pastebin.org/4155 |
| 02:44.16 | karsten | Wyzard: Hopefully this doesn't have to be repartitioned. |
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| 02:44.37 | abrotman | EMH_Mark3: you only need one of those http and ftp .. i'd recommend commenting out the ftp ones |
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| 02:44.41 | abrotman | !flw |
| 02:44.42 | dpkg | flw30 is, like, <narcmann> abrotman: I don't rely on my hard disks for storage |
| 02:44.54 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Got any of those screwdrivers you were mentioning earlier? |
| 02:45.26 | EMH_Mark3 | mkay |
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| 02:47.10 | karsten | abrotman: Less OJ, more vodka. |
| 02:47.29 | abrotman | not so much a screwdriver anymore :) |
| 02:47.36 | akio | i am attempting a floppy boot network install with a wireless card that does not have its driver on the net driver floppies provided |
| 02:48.02 | karsten | abrotman: A screwdriver should be 1 part vodka, three parts vodka. - dondelelcaro |
| 02:48.12 | akio | it needs wlan_ng, how do i get it onto the floppy? |
| 02:48.22 | abrotman | karsten: is one of those parts orange vodka ? :) |
| 02:48.34 | karsten | abrotman: Only under duress. |
| 02:48.40 | abrotman | gotcha |
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| 02:49.15 | EMH_Mark3 | abrotman: my hero! updates now :) |
| 02:49.40 | abrotman | EMH_Mark3: fyi .. mixing is bad |
| 02:50.03 | karsten | abrotman: mixing distros or drinks? |
| 02:50.12 | abrotman | distros ... |
| 02:50.46 | EMH_Mark3 | abrotman: eh well that thing is ancient.. don't really want to mess with it |
| 02:50.52 | akio | am i asking a dumb question or is it impossible? |
| 02:51.07 | akio | or am i asking the wrong way or the wrong place? |
| 02:51.23 | abrotman | EMH_Mark3: oh .. what could go wrong :) |
| 02:51.35 | abrotman | akio: you're int he right pl,ace .. but ti seems a bit far fetched |
| 02:51.46 | Wyzard | akio: It's possible in principle, but probably most people don't know the details of loading external drivers into the installer |
| 02:52.07 | abrotman | or want to try! |
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| 02:52.32 | akio | well the two network boot floppies did just fine |
| 02:52.42 | dondelelcaro | karsten: heh. still in the lab; all I have here now is reagent grade ethanol |
| 02:52.42 | Wyzard | akio: Even when booting from a CD like usual, wireless cards generally aren't recommended for netinstalls since many of them have drivers that are tricky to install (separately-distributed firmware, compiling kernel modules, etc.) |
| 02:52.56 | akio | what i mean is, the floppies that had network drivers were loaded perfectly fine |
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| 02:54.01 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: can you mix that with OJ ? :) |
| 02:54.11 | akio | there has to be a way |
| 02:54.19 | abrotman | akio: why can't you use a CD ? |
| 02:54.23 | akio | the bcm43xx drivers were loaded fine |
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| 02:54.38 | akio | its a thinkpad 240 with no ethernet, no external cd-rom |
| 02:54.49 | akio | tiny tiny laptop |
| 02:55.07 | Wyzard | akio: The bcm43xx driver doesn't work without a firmware that has to be provided separately |
| 02:55.18 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Pity ... |
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| 02:55.25 | Wyzard | akio: It may have been able to load the module, but that doesn't mean the module is functional |
| 02:55.27 | karsten | dondelelcaro: .... to waste that on chemistry experiments. |
| 02:55.30 | akio | nonetheless its in htere |
| 02:55.32 | akio | there* |
| 02:55.59 | akio | its a prism3 chipset, it should be linux friendly |
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| 03:08.26 | karsten | Hrm. I need to de-allocate partitions. |
| 03:08.31 | karsten | Erm, arrays. |
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| 03:27.37 | neoalex | hi what do I need to get acpi working |
| 03:27.43 | user01 | out of curiosity has anyone tried 3G data transfers? and what is the average download speed you obtained on it? |
| 03:27.59 | neoalex | basically I wan to be able to see cpu temp and fanspeed and such |
| 03:28.05 | neoalex | throttling would be nice too |
| 03:28.55 | neoalex | I'm running 2.6.21-1-amd64 by the way |
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| 03:38.09 | |porta| | is it possable to have Ctrl-Alt-F8 or F9 work in console? |
| 03:38.30 | amphi | work as what? |
| 03:38.45 | |porta| | the same as F1 threw F6 |
| 03:39.00 | |porta| | F7 being the X |
| 03:39.01 | amphi | you can add VTs in /etc/inittab |
| 03:39.30 | |porta| | thank you... sorry if I'm asking the wrong thing or don't make sence. I'm still lost and new :-) |
| 03:39.55 | amphi | |porta|: I was just unclear what you meant ;) |
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| 03:40.43 | |porta| | another question with F7 being the default X in that file can that be changed? and can there be more than one X running? like F7 X and F3 X running at same time? |
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| 03:42.38 | karsten | |porta|: Work to do what? |
| 03:43.18 | karsten | |porta|: Linux runs multiple virtual consoles, current default is something like 255. Only the first six run gettys (text login) and only the 7th runs X, by default. But you can change that. |
| 03:44.05 | karsten | |porta|: getty is in /etc/inittab, "2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2" and similar. |
| 03:44.30 | |porta| | not sure if I under stand |
| 03:44.59 | |porta| | can I put x on tty0 and have the rest tty1 threw tty9 as text? |
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| 03:45.26 | |porta| | would man getty give more information? |
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| 03:54.51 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: you could, but that's almost never done |
| 03:55.27 | dondelelcaro | (well, you probably mean tty1) |
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| 03:55.55 | dondelelcaro | since zero isn't on an Fn key and would have to be steped to |
| 03:56.01 | karsten | |porta|: See your X display manager's config files for how to do that. |
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| 03:57.42 | |porta| | karsten: ty |
| 03:58.24 | karsten | |porta|: Somewhere in there is a list of displays to start, which VC to put therm on, etc. I've known in the past and since forgotten. |
| 03:59.43 | simonrvn | hello strangers :P |
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| 04:00.55 | karsten | simonrvn: Yeah, yeah. |
| 04:01.29 | karsten | Hrm: http://www.miquels.cistron.nl/raid/ |
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| 04:03.07 | karsten | So ... |
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| 04:03.19 | simonrvn | not difficult really |
| 04:03.20 | karsten | ... if Twiggy was the "IT" girl of the 1960s... |
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| 04:03.26 | karsten | ... was she a sysadmin? |
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| 04:03.34 | simonrvn | groan |
| 04:03.41 | LinuxMeister | anyone know why the Debian project is sponsored by Kid Chris out in Philadelphia? |
| 04:03.44 | simonrvn | probably :P |
| 04:03.53 | simonrvn | LinuxMeister: eh? |
| 04:04.11 | LinuxMeister | simonrvn: don't dodge this |
| 04:04.29 | simonrvn | a) i'm not dodging this b) don't accuse me of doing so |
| 04:04.40 | simonrvn | c) WTF is kid chris |
| 04:04.42 | LinuxMeister | simonrvn: Yes you are stop it |
| 04:05.00 | simonrvn | LinuxMeister: how about you be quiet and stop trolling |
| 04:05.01 | karsten | LinuxMeister: If you've got a Debian-related question, ask it. If you're here to troll, don't. |
| 04:05.22 | LinuxMeister | karsten: first off i use gentoo... debian blows ass so there |
| 04:05.28 | LinuxMeister | FUCK APT |
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| 04:05.35 | lontra | is Kid Chris related to Kid rock |
| 04:05.46 | simonrvn | oh, i won't bother |
| 04:05.47 | blahdeblah | karsten: Why would anyone need partitionable RAID arrays? Just whack LVM or EVMS on top and be done with it. |
| 04:05.48 | karsten | Saved us the !ops call.... |
| 04:06.21 | karsten | blahdeblah: I like making my life complicated. |
| 04:06.24 | evilgeek | wow, a linux distro turf war. |
| 04:06.26 | evilgeek | that was...amusing. |
| 04:06.36 | blahdeblah | evilgeek: Trolls are not amusing |
| 04:06.37 | simonrvn | 19.0/25.117.248.72.in-addr.arpa. 28800 IN PTR student-nat19.endicott.edu. |
| 04:06.38 | lontra | now he's bragging in #gentoo |
| 04:06.42 | dev-bin | IM getting EE No devices detected,,,,, no screens found. this occurs when I run startx |
| 04:06.47 | evilgeek | blahdeblah: some of them are. |
| 04:06.52 | lontra | [23:05] <LinuxMeister> i just pissed off those guys in #debian |
| 04:06.53 | lontra | ha ha ha |
| 04:06.54 | blahdeblah | karsten: You must have too much time on your hands... ;-) |
| 04:07.06 | karsten | blahdeblah: Billable hours, my man, billable hours. |
| 04:07.17 | squisher | lontra: damn, what immaturity! :-) |
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| 04:07.34 | lontra | squisher: c'est le vie |
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| 04:07.40 | simonrvn | la |
| 04:07.46 | squisher | true enough |
| 04:07.48 | blahdeblah | karsten: I make it a habit to try to make my billable hours *less* complicated, not more... ;-) |
| 04:08.05 | karsten | blahdeblah: Believe it or not, that's the goal here. |
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| 04:09.38 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 04:10.00 | squisher | what's the best way to bump up the version number if you want to make a local build with a patch of a .deb, but still get an update if there is one? |
| 04:10.05 | karsten | WTF did I flood? |
| 04:10.15 | karsten | sudo mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0p --level=raid5 --raid-devices=3 --spare-devices=0 --auto=part /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc |
| 04:10.16 | simonrvn | i don't see anything |
| 04:10.19 | dondelelcaro | karsten: nah, the box just got lagged out |
| 04:10.36 | simonrvn | afk, daily show |
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| 04:10.43 | karsten | That does it. Creates /dev/md0p /dev/md0p[1234] |
| 04:10.44 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Ah. |
| 04:10.51 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Occasionally I *do* miss-mouse. |
| 04:11.08 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yeah, I don't quite know which process ate 1.3G suddenly, but one of them did |
| 04:11.19 | karsten | ? |
| 04:11.23 | dondelelcaro | karsten: and it lagged everything out until the OOM killed it off |
| 04:11.49 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Oh, your box. That's where debhelper runs? |
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| 04:12.20 | blahdeblah | Anyone know if there's a good resource on setting up an autobuilder for a small selection of packages into a private repository/ |
| 04:12.21 | blahdeblah | ? |
| 04:12.39 | devicenull` | how do I set up grub inside a partition, rather then in the MBR? |
| 04:12.41 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yeah |
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| 04:12.52 | dondelelcaro | karsten: I think it was dpkg |
| 04:15.34 | karsten | devicenull`: Install it on a partition. |
| 04:15.38 | karsten | devicenull`: man grub-install |
| 04:16.00 | karsten | dondelelcaro: OK. |
| 04:16.50 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Last time that'd happened to me I was on dialup and a few lines got backlogged, all escaped at once. It's been a few years, figure one failure like that every few years ain't too bad a record. |
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| 04:29.08 | |porta| | what command is used to reconfigure Xserver? |
| 04:29.23 | niru | Hi have a sony vaio |
| 04:29.31 | niru | all function keys work well now |
| 04:29.38 | niru | except fn+F7 for projector |
| 04:29.42 | niru | does not respond |
| 04:29.53 | niru | how to make the projetcor to work with this laptop |
| 04:30.09 | niru | is there any thing left to do with xorg |
| 04:30.37 | squisher | niru: I only have a very old laptop, but with that one those fn keys were often managed by the OS, thus linux might not know about them |
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| 04:30.59 | niru | squisher, no linux has to do with that |
| 04:31.07 | squisher | niru: check what video driver you are using and google for the name + tv out |
| 04:31.14 | niru | squisher, vista in the same laptop works with the projedtcor |
| 04:31.36 | niru | squisher, will lspci give me the video driver info |
| 04:31.51 | quickpot | can someone recommend a good http benchmarking utility besides "ab" ? |
| 04:31.54 | niru | squisher, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
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| 04:33.48 | niru | squisher, ? |
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| 04:36.00 | |porta| | what is the correct context? *-config xserver |
| 04:36.20 | |porta| | dpkg-reconfig |
| 04:36.29 | windyh | xserver-xorg |
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| 04:37.22 | windyh | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 04:38.24 | |porta| | windyh: ty |
| 04:38.33 | windyh | yw |
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| 04:41.44 | |porta| | yay now I only need wifi and my laptop is good to go. |
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| 04:44.51 | squisher | niru: google for "debian intel 945g tv out", and take it from there... I can't help you more than that |
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| 04:47.07 | niru | squisher, thank you |
| 04:47.23 | squisher | niru: np |
| 04:47.59 | tw-nym | Sooo, online documentation solved my krb5 crisis... rather, the documentation for RHEL did. Thanks anyways. |
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| 04:54.16 | kgoetz | anyone know where to get E17 debs for Etch? |
| 04:54.30 | kgoetz | i cant find any, but i'm sure there were some around |
| 04:55.45 | niru | how to know the default depth of both the screeb |
| 04:55.52 | niru | how to know the default depth of the monitor |
| 04:56.04 | niru | I got |
| 04:56.06 | niru | sorry |
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| 05:00.41 | mbuf | any suggestions on how I can capture video of the desktop, (using Debian Etch)? |
| 05:01.28 | lontra | recordmydesktop? |
| 05:01.59 | Guerin | while true; do scrot; done |
| 05:02.53 | lontra | kgoetz: wouldn't be anything official ... i know that shadow has some for sid |
| 05:02.54 | lontra | !e17 |
| 05:02.55 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 05:03.03 | lontra | er ... |
| 05:03.06 | lontra | !DR17 |
| 05:03.06 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 05:04.13 | mbuf | lontra, thanks |
| 05:04.20 | kgoetz | lontra: thanks, i'll have a look |
| 05:04.21 | lontra | mbuf: np |
| 05:04.27 | lontra | kgoetz: np |
| 05:04.41 | lontra | mbuf: there's a gtk version too |
| 05:04.51 | lontra | called recordmydesktop-gtk ... i think |
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| 05:04.58 | aljaber | ChanServ, hi, my other two nicks "raqamy" & "unixwheel" were banned, why? |
| 05:05.43 | aljaber | debhelper, , hi, my other two nicks "raqamy" & "unixwheel" were banned, why? |
| 05:06.24 | lontra | aljaber: ask an op like dondelelcaro |
| 05:06.31 | mbuf | lontra, some online searches also yielded "istanbul" |
| 05:06.40 | kgoetz | lontra: first link has nothin to do with E17 i can find :| |
| 05:06.47 | aljaber | lontra, thanks |
| 05:06.48 | lontra | kgoetz: hrm ... |
| 05:06.54 | kgoetz | *double checks his got the right page* |
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| 05:07.02 | |porta| | what can I use for a full gui remote login? |
| 05:07.16 | aljaber | dondelelcaro , hi, my other two nicks "raqamy" & "unixwheel" were banned, why? |
| 05:07.42 | trip | whats a better job a network technican at local network company. or a network administrator at a company? |
| 05:07.49 | lontra | kgoetz: try this ...http://timony.com/mickzblog/2007/02/18/enlightement-e17-on-debian-ubuntu/ |
| 05:07.55 | kgoetz | aljaber: ddi you connect from the same IP 3/4 tims? |
| 05:09.02 | aljaber | kgoetz, i was having problem whith my dsl connection, you can say it was 30-40 :D |
| 05:09.37 | kgoetz | aljaber: probably spamming |
| 05:09.43 | mbuf | using Debian Etch on HP nx7400 (x86), and date displayed on panel and on console are not in sync; tried using NTP but has no effect, what should i check? |
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| 05:10.44 | kgoetz | lontra: thankns for teh link, seems theres only packages for unstable |
| 05:11.08 | lontra | kgoetz: yeah that sounds about right ... e17 isn't stable yet so ... |
| 05:11.19 | lontra | kgoetz: you could always run a mixed system if you really want it |
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| 05:13.04 | kgoetz | lontra: hey, its a personal machine :) brb, breaking my debian :) |
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| 05:13.40 | lontra | kgoetz: read this too |
| 05:13.44 | lontra | !mixed system |
| 05:13.44 | dpkg | i heard mixed system is Read section 3.8 "How to keep a mixed system" of the APT HOWTO at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html (better yet, read the whole thing! :) |
| 05:14.51 | Guerin | dpkg, you have high expectations |
| 05:15.20 | kgoetz | lontra: cheers |
| 05:15.33 | lontra | kgoetz: have fun |
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| 05:25.31 | kgoetz | might have to move to unstable, the E debs want a different libc |
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| 05:25.47 | ThoMe | good morning. |
| 05:25.52 | ThoMe | have a problem with courier / maildrop |
| 05:25.53 | ThoMe | maildrop Timeout quota exceeded |
| 05:26.02 | ThoMe | why timeout? i have two mails... |
| 05:26.06 | ThoMe | 10 kb |
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| 05:27.45 | svecias | Does someone have backup of original debian 4 official sources.list file? I messed my one... |
| 05:28.13 | kgoetz | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official Multi-architecture i386/amd64/powerpc NETINST #1 20070407-13:10]/ etch contrib main |
| 05:28.19 | kgoetz | done ;) |
| 05:29.02 | kgoetz | format is: |
| 05:29.04 | kgoetz | cdrom line |
| 05:29.07 | kgoetz | default mirror |
| 05:29.10 | kgoetz | security mirror |
| 05:29.12 | geo-rge | multi-arch? |
| 05:29.18 | kgoetz | its 6 lines~ |
| 05:29.22 | svecias | I need default and security mirrors |
| 05:29.37 | kgoetz | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 05:29.41 | kgoetz | # deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 05:29.49 | kgoetz | theres security, default is a mirror close to you |
| 05:29.52 | kgoetz | geo-rge: yeah |
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| 05:43.41 | hexstar | debhelper hi |
| 05:43.46 | hexstar | oops |
| 05:43.49 | kgoetz | lol |
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| 05:44.28 | hexstar | where's the bot? |
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| 05:44.50 | simonrvn | you probably want dpkg |
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| 05:46.16 | ameyer | although I think debhelper's a bot too |
| 05:46.47 | simonrvn | yeh, but it's just an eggdrop |
| 05:48.52 | stiv2k | hi, i think theres a problem here w/ nvidia, after suspending and resuming i can't access my consoles anymore all i see is a black screen what can i do to fix that? |
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| 05:49.47 | Meglo | Is it a bad idea to have no access time updates on root filesystem? |
| 05:49.49 | simonrvn | try switching back to x then to console again |
| 05:50.50 | stiv2k | simonrvn: i tried |
| 05:50.53 | stiv2k | still just black |
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| 05:51.27 | simonrvn | i used to get that a fair amount, recently i haven't had any problems at all |
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| 05:51.54 | simonrvn | maybe tweak something in xorg.conf for it (see their readme) |
| 05:52.18 | stiv2k | simonrvn: whose readme |
| 05:52.29 | simonrvn | nvidia's |
| 05:52.37 | stiv2k | man nvidia ? |
| 05:53.06 | simonrvn | no, /usr/share/doc/, the kernel module source |
| 05:53.22 | ameyer | I'd suggest that you either not use suspend, or use nv instead |
| 05:53.22 | simonrvn | manual page isn't a readme ;) |
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| 05:53.39 | ameyer | there's not much debian can do if nvidia's broken |
| 05:54.04 | ameyer | (although investigating other possible solutions would probably be a better idea) |
| 05:54.07 | simonrvn | well i don't use suspend, so, heh. yeh, it's not even in debian per se, it's non-free |
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| 05:55.56 | ameyer | if I had to guess, I'd say the problem is in the binary blob part of the driver, and you're SOL |
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| 05:56.10 | arooni-mobile | hey folks! |
| 05:56.14 | ameyer | unless a workaround is possible |
| 05:56.20 | simonrvn | that would be my guess too |
| 05:56.34 | arooni-mobile | anyone know the syntax to add to xorg.conf to allow my mouse to emulate 3d buttons |
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| 05:56.45 | simonrvn | man xorg.conf |
| 05:56.50 | arooni-mobile | simonrvn, i have done that |
| 05:56.53 | arooni-mobile | and i searched for 3d |
| 05:56.57 | arooni-mobile | and emulate |
| 05:56.59 | arooni-mobile | nothing came up |
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| 05:57.12 | simonrvn | man xorg.conf | grep -i mouse |
| 05:57.24 | wood_pecker | How do we create a unix socket from shell? |
| 05:57.45 | simonrvn | just the fifo file itself you mean? |
| 05:58.09 | wood_pecker | My mysql socket was deleted |
| 05:58.15 | wood_pecker | I want to create one again |
| 05:58.30 | simonrvn | don't. let it make it |
| 05:58.49 | wood_pecker | But, restarting the server did not create the socket |
| 05:58.52 | arooni-mobile | i will makeit for you wood_pecker dont worry |
| 05:59.02 | arooni-mobile | i have lots of sql socks sitting around |
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| 06:01.48 | GarryFre | Hmm, winehq's app db entry for Serious Sam Second encounter, the game seems to run now with the latest Wine. |
| 06:02.03 | GarryFre | it didn't say it ran. |
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| 06:02.37 | GarryFre | It hasn't helped my grammar though. |
| 06:02.42 | simonrvn | wood_pecker: mkfifo; be careful that's all |
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| 06:03.15 | wood_pecker | ok, thanks |
| 06:04.24 | svecias | Does someone think that Ubuntu sucks? |
| 06:04.55 | dakoo | it's ok for women |
| 06:05.02 | dakoo | and sissy men |
| 06:05.06 | simonrvn | !lart dakoo |
| 06:05.12 | svecias | :D |
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| 06:05.22 | simonrvn | sexist moron |
| 06:07.03 | Jordan_U | dpkg --clear-selections shouldn't set apt to deinstall, should it? |
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| 06:14.43 | RvGaTe^work | morning |
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| 06:16.18 | simonrvn | Jordan_U: er, why wouldn't it? |
| 06:16.28 | simonrvn | Jordan_U: man dpkg |
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| 06:16.45 | Mordbrann | is there a replacement for update-modules? |
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| 06:18.07 | Mordbrann | I have some options in /etc/modutils that aren't working and update-modules tells me it is deprecated |
| 06:18.41 | simonrvn | using 2.4 still? |
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| 06:19.14 | Mordbrann | Nei, I'm on 2.6 |
| 06:19.24 | simonrvn | useless then |
| 06:19.36 | simonrvn | gotta move that stuff to /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 06:19.38 | geo-rge | I've heard of drivers nvidia and nv, what is the difference between the two? |
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| 06:19.51 | Mordbrann | yeah, that's what I thought but I went to purge it and it seems the kernel package depends on it :-/ |
| 06:20.03 | Mordbrann | geo-rge: one is open one is not |
| 06:20.04 | RvGaTe^work | geo-rge, nvidia = nvidia drivers... nv = open source stuff |
| 06:20.09 | simonrvn | nvidia is the non-free one, supports 3d accel, nv is the free one supports 2d |
| 06:20.12 | RvGaTe^work | geo-rge, nv != nvidia |
| 06:20.44 | Mordbrann | simonrvn: so does that in turn mean /etc/modutils/* files are deprecated as well? |
| 06:20.45 | geo-rge | RvGaTe^work: I see, so you're saying "there is a difference" |
| 06:20.54 | simonrvn | Mordbrann: do you have module-init-tools installed? (my guess is probably) |
| 06:21.09 | ameyer | geo-rge: nvidia = rootkit, nv != rootkit |
| 06:21.09 | RvGaTe^work | geo-rge, yes, becouse its completely not the same driver, hehe |
| 06:21.21 | Mordbrann | simonrvn: that is affirmative |
| 06:21.32 | geo-rge | ameyer: rootkit? howso? |
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| 06:21.53 | ameyer | geo-rge: my thinking is that non-free driver = something nasty they're trying to hide |
| 06:21.58 | geo-rge | RvGaTe^work: hence me asking what the difference is :) |
| 06:22.01 | Mordbrann | geo-rge: I think he means since it's closed there is no telling what it's doing |
| 06:22.12 | ameyer | Mordbrann: pretty much |
| 06:22.46 | ameyer | in Windows, it doesn't really matter since who knows how many backdoors already exist in the kernel... |
| 06:22.47 | geo-rge | oh, so you're not saying "this is a rootkit" so much as you're saying "it's untrustworthy because it's closed" |
| 06:22.49 | RvGaTe^work | omg... at the time you need dpkg.. it leaves... what an ass |
| 06:22.52 | simonrvn | Mordbrann: completely useless for 2.6 |
| 06:23.05 | geo-rge | apt: dpkg is an ass |
| 06:23.05 | apt | ...but dpkg is already something else... |
| 06:23.10 | simonrvn | RvGaTe^work: the host has been having some network issues |
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| 06:23.20 | Mordbrann | simonrvn: hmm. So what has taken it's place? I need some specific options for a module every time I boot |
| 06:23.22 | RvGaTe^work | simonrvn, you running it ? |
| 06:23.37 | simonrvn | no, but i've been around the block |
| 06:23.44 | RvGaTe^work | ok |
| 06:23.56 | geo-rge | !nv |
| 06:23.59 | simonrvn | Mordbrann: see my Q: regarding module-init-tools |
| 06:24.03 | geo-rge | !nv one-liner |
| 06:24.11 | dpkg | from memory, nv is the X4's free video-driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or gForce), the cursed (non-free) one is nvidia, or nv does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX, or however nvidia's drivers do that |
| 06:24.15 | simonrvn | nvidia one-liner |
| 06:24.44 | geo-rge | that one I did, it was not so helpful... |
| 06:25.00 | simonrvn | RvGaTe^work: the issues are uncommon but i've seen it before =) |
| 06:25.02 | Mordbrann | simonrvn: I'm lost :( I'm going to blame my evening hangover |
| 06:25.19 | simonrvn | .:02:20:54:. <simonrvn> Mordbrann: do you have module-init-tools installed? (my guess is probably) |
| 06:25.28 | Mordbrann | simonrvn: I do |
| 06:25.44 | simonrvn | nm, i'll blame your hangover :P |
| 06:25.52 | Mordbrann | lol |
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| 06:26.36 | mbuf | what should i include in sources.list to install gtk-recordmydesktop? |
| 06:27.18 | Mordbrann | simonrvn: do you mean I should have something other than module-init-tools installed? |
| 06:27.20 | geo-rge | hmm, given there is nv open source, can I assume to be able to apt-get install nv for 2.6.18-5-xen-amd64? |
| 06:27.30 | simonrvn | Mordbrann: no, you're ok |
| 06:27.34 | mnguyen | so I wanted to setup a debian server as a router and QoS, are there instructions on how to do so? |
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| 06:28.11 | simonrvn | geo-rge: no need for a kernel module, except maybe you might want to use nvidiafb or such |
| 06:28.27 | geo-rge | well I just want to get my x server going |
| 06:28.28 | cafuego | Hmm. sed oneliner for converting a sentence to titlecase? anyone? bueller? |
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| 06:28.43 | Mordbrann | simonrvn: but still confused; module-init-tools contains update-modules which is deprecated. Isn't there a replacement for it? |
| 06:28.45 | geo-rge | I have amd64 machine with builtin chipset |
| 06:28.56 | simonrvn | Mordbrann: none needed |
| 06:29.45 | simonrvn | cafuego: sec, i think i have an awk one-liner for that |
| 06:29.47 | Mordbrann | simonrvn: :S but as I said I have an option to pass to bttv each time it's loaded... how can I do that if the system for doing it has been deprecated? |
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| 06:29.57 | cafuego | neat-o |
| 06:30.14 | hark | Mordbrann: man modprobe.conf |
| 06:30.19 | Mordbrann | hark: ty |
| 06:30.27 | simonrvn | simonraven.kisikew.org/docs/nix/awk1line.html |
| 06:30.29 | geo-rge | this is what lspci has to say about my nvidia: "00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] (rev a2)" |
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| 06:31.16 | hark | geo-rge: you probably have it already.. xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 06:32.12 | simonrvn | can't remember what the new url is, i stuck it in my new setup... somewhere under /kb/ |
| 06:32.17 | simonrvn | cafuego: ^^^ |
| 06:32.50 | Mordbrann | hark: and no update command after adding new options to the file? |
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| 06:33.51 | geo-rge | we have an x!! |
| 06:33.57 | cafuego | http://simonraven.kisikew.org/kb/HandyAwkOne-Liners.html |
| 06:34.01 | naught101 | is it possible to upgrade to a new kernel, and switch to that kernel without rebooting? |
| 06:34.04 | geo-rge | hark: and no, didn't have that :) |
| 06:34.25 | geo-rge | naught101: no |
| 06:34.42 | hark | Mordbrann: nope, update-modules is deprecated |
| 06:34.50 | geo-rge | but I can tell you something convoluted... |
| 06:35.06 | Mordbrann | hark: nice, thanks |
| 06:35.17 | geo-rge | which is, you can run xen which is a virtualization technology |
| 06:35.22 | Mordbrann | now if my machines stop freezing I'll be content as far as computing goes |
| 06:35.25 | cafuego | .. but it appears to have no titlecase conversion |
| 06:35.33 | geo-rge | and you can boot whatever |
| 06:35.46 | geo-rge | by booting a virtual server |
| 06:36.23 | geo-rge | but that's convoluted, and takes a problem solver to set up |
| 06:36.28 | simonrvn | cafuego: ah yes, that's it |
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| 06:36.50 | Mordbrann | Hilsen Norsk |
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| 06:36.55 | hark | Mordbrann: make sure you don't have an /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 06:37.16 | Mordbrann | hark: I don't, just an i386 file in /etc/modprobe.d/arch/ |
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| 06:38.31 | geo-rge | naught101: I mean, I might as well have said nothing after "no"... but that would have taken choice from you |
| 06:38.58 | naught101 | fair 'nough |
| 06:38.59 | simonrvn | Mordbrann: rima-tde.net is a spanish isp |
| 06:39.11 | naught101 | I just thought I'd read about someone doing such a thing before. |
| 06:39.25 | geo-rge | also there is a ##xen here, and #debian-xen on oftc |
| 06:39.44 | Mordbrann | simonrvn: ja, but that doesn't mean there aren't Norwegians there ;) |
| 06:40.20 | simonrvn | Mordbrann: hehe no that's true |
| 06:40.22 | naught101 | no, I don't need to, I was just interested. |
| 06:40.50 | geo-rge | it could be that you read that they rebooted a virtual server which doesn't require the physical machine to be rebooted |
| 06:41.12 | simonrvn | cafuego: oh i thought it did. sorry to get your hopes up |
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| 06:42.32 | naught101 | nah, I think it might have been a joke |
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| 06:49.47 | dimgr | hi |
| 06:49.53 | dimgr | i get this error can u help? |
| 06:49.56 | dimgr | http://rafb.net/p/A8K7KX47.html |
| 06:50.54 | Raging_Hog | my aptitude broke, why me? http://pastebin.com/m49645804 |
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| 06:55.28 | mbuf | what should i include in /etc/apt/sources.list to install gtk-recordmydesktop? |
| 06:56.02 | spradnyesh | hello |
| 06:56.08 | spradnyesh | i have debian testing installed on my laptop |
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| 06:56.13 | spradnyesh | i have a wireless interface on the system |
| 06:56.25 | spradnyesh | but debian is not discovering it :( |
| 06:56.31 | spradnyesh | can anyone help me out about how to do it? |
| 06:57.50 | RvGaTe^work | spradnyesh, it might help if you could pastebin your lspci |
| 06:58.01 | spradnyesh | k |
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| 06:58.08 | dimgr | http://rafb.net/p/A8K7KX47.html can someone take a look? |
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| 06:59.32 | oppi | Hi - I'm trying to use ytalk but I getting 'No talk daemon on ...' - talkd is installed, its listed in my inetd.conf -- what's wrong here ? |
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| 07:00.32 | spradnyesh | rvgate, did that help? |
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| 07:01.11 | RvGaTe^work | spradnyesh, ehmm? i dont see you put the url in the channel |
| 07:01.40 | spradnyesh | what url??? |
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| 07:01.57 | RvGaTe^work | spradnyesh, of the pastebin ofc... how else are we going to see it ? |
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| 07:01.59 | spradnyesh | i pasted the whole ouptut of lspci |
| 07:02.08 | RvGaTe^work | !paste |
| 07:02.08 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 07:02.10 | spradnyesh | above |
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| 07:02.17 | RvGaTe^work | nope, you didn |
| 07:02.18 | RvGaTe^work | t |
| 07:02.18 | spradnyesh | ohh, i didn't know that |
| 07:03.10 | RvGaTe^work | spradnyesh, i clearly said "pastebin your lspci" and not "paste your lspci" :P but it doesn't matter.. |
| 07:03.31 | spradnyesh | sorry, i'm kinda new to irc :( |
| 07:03.43 | RvGaTe^work | dont worry... you're doing fine |
| 07:03.48 | spradnyesh | anyways, i went to http://channels.debian.net/paste/, and pasted my output there |
| 07:03.53 | spradnyesh | but it did not give me any link? |
| 07:03.56 | spradnyesh | what do i do? |
| 07:04.00 | spradnyesh | pastebin it again? |
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| 07:04.33 | mbuf | RvGaTe^work, same here, lspci shows PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (rev 02), ipw3945, ieee80211, firmware_class loaded, ipw3945d is running, but, no wireless interface |
| 07:04.54 | mbuf | RvGaTe^work, using Debian Etch on Compaq nx7400 on x86 |
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| 07:05.26 | xingu | mbuf: make sure your rfkill switch isn't set to the kill position. |
| 07:05.30 | spradnyesh | link: http://paste.debian.net/38813 |
| 07:05.38 | RvGaTe^work | mbuf, spradnyesh, http://paste.debian.net/ <- got here, put in ur name, ur output, click send... and paste the url in this channel |
| 07:06.06 | spradnyesh | pasted the url above |
| 07:06.06 | niru | unable to toggle between laptop and Projector screen |
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| 07:06.15 | mbuf | xingu, how do i check that? the wireless switch onclick toggles bluetooth! |
| 07:06.22 | RvGaTe^work | mbuf, spradnyesh, tho i cant help you guys with the problem, im just telling you guys what to do so that other people can help you better... |
| 07:06.31 | niru | It gets displayed in both places permanently even though I press fn+F7 |
| 07:06.37 | hark | mbuf: did you install the daemon as well? |
| 07:06.39 | xingu | mbuf: perhaps it toggles both.. |
| 07:06.51 | mbuf | hark, yes |
| 07:07.01 | hark | spradnyesh: /msg dpkg ipw3945 |
| 07:07.19 | mbuf | xingu, ahh you are right! |
| 07:07.22 | mbuf | xingu, thanks! |
| 07:07.24 | lhadji | Why does my aptitude keep saying "The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-686" when i install a random package |
| 07:07.39 | spradnyesh | hark, what did you tell me to do? i didn't get it |
| 07:07.51 | hark | !ipw3945 |
| 07:07.52 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 07:07.52 | spradnyesh | i tried running 'dpkg ipw3945' as root, but it gave me some error |
| 07:08.23 | hark | spradnyesh: that's an irc command |
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| 07:08.50 | spradnyesh | hark: ohh, i misunderstood coz of dpkg name :) |
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| 07:09.37 | spradnyesh | rvgate: did you look at the output url i pasted above (http://paste.debian.net/38813) |
| 07:09.56 | spradnyesh | can someone help me with getting my wireless interface detected on debian testing? |
| 07:10.06 | RvGaTe^work | spradnyesh, did you read what i last said? go do that first :P |
| 07:10.40 | spradnyesh | rvgate, i've already posted the ouptut of lspci |
| 07:10.53 | spradnyesh | rvgate: did you tell me to do anything else too? |
| 07:11.02 | RvGaTe^work | --> spradnyesh, http://paste.debian.net/ <- got here, put in ur name, ur output, click send... and paste the url in this channel |
| 07:11.05 | RvGaTe^work | oops |
| 07:11.07 | RvGaTe^work | wrong one |
| 07:11.14 | RvGaTe^work | --> spradnyesh, tho i cant help you guys with the problem, im just telling you guys what to do so that other people can help you better... |
| 07:11.43 | spradnyesh | rvgate: k, thanks for your help with the pastebin though :) |
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| 07:13.32 | sep | aptitude search ipw3945 and install the modules that matches your kernel |
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| 07:13.44 | sep | BAH ! the rudeness !!! |
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| 07:14.06 | sep | leaving just before i write a reply! |
| 07:14.13 | sep | ;) |
| 07:14.40 | RvGaTe^work | sep, kinda funny, asking first 3 times... then leave |
| 07:14.57 | dimgr | http://rafb.net/p/A8K7KX47.html can someone take a look? |
| 07:15.01 | sep | he probably got his fix from hark :P |
| 07:15.20 | RvGaTe^work | sep, guessing he pm'ed him ? |
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| 07:16.46 | sep | RvGaTe^work, you must be more tiered then me, scroll up |
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| 07:17.04 | lhadji | heya, just wondering why my aptitude keeps saying "The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-686". Why doesn't it upgrade even after doing aptitude update/aptitude upgrade? |
| 07:17.07 | sep | dimgr, load the capifs kernel module |
| 07:17.16 | RvGaTe^work | sep, trust me, i am tired... haha... |
| 07:17.50 | sep | lhadji, perhaps it need additional packages just aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686, |
| 07:18.23 | rvalles | if I wanted some script to run at the end of the boot process |
| 07:18.26 | dimgr | capifs not found sep |
| 07:18.28 | rvalles | where would I put it? |
| 07:18.44 | RvGaTe^work | rvalles, as in, when the system has booted and waiting for a user login ? |
| 07:18.55 | rvalles | I mean, after everything else in the default runlevel finished |
| 07:18.58 | lhadji | sep, ok coo. Just puzzled but after looking at the debian packages, it seems it points to 2.6.18-5 when I'm at 2.6.18-4. A security update or something |
| 07:19.05 | sep | dimgr, works for me, where did you get your kernel ? |
| 07:19.12 | sep | if you compiled your own, do it again. |
| 07:19.23 | rvalles | RvGaTe^work: just want to add a ugly script that sets up a SLIP link. |
| 07:19.27 | RvGaTe^work | rvalles, go check out your rc<runlevel>.d/S<sequencenumber><scriptname> :) |
| 07:19.32 | rvalles | RvGaTe^work: (it's an A1200) |
| 07:19.38 | dimgr | sep: is capifs under isdn/capi in kernel? |
| 07:19.54 | rvalles | RvGaTe^work: so you'd just add it to rc? yikes |
| 07:20.01 | sep | dimgr, i have it in /lib/modules/2.6.22-2-686/kernel/drivers/isdn/capi/capifs.ko on my system |
| 07:20.01 | RvGaTe^work | rvalles, in /etc/ that is.. |
| 07:20.02 | rvalles | well, is an option |
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| 07:20.16 | RvGaTe^work | rvalles, thats how i do it... it doesn't require a user to be logged in.. |
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| 07:20.34 | RvGaTe^work | rvalles, could be the wrong way tho... but hey, it works :P |
| 07:21.20 | dimgr | sep: trying to find capifs in menuconfig |
| 07:21.53 | sep | dimgr,i assume you have a vaild reason for building your own kernel ? otherways it's just a waste of time, :) |
| 07:23.23 | dimgr | yes |
| 07:23.28 | dimgr | i found it , recompiling now |
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| 07:26.10 | dto | hello folks |
| 07:26.10 | Supaplex | sep: gentoo displacement ;) |
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| 07:26.48 | Supaplex | dto: greets. |
| 07:27.57 | sep | Supaplex, :) |
| 07:28.10 | dto | ok. i am building a LAN with at least 3 debian boxes. one very large box with lots of I/O and RAID (http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html ), another is a P4 2.1ghz tower that i'm planning to use as a general-purpose server (for all tasks that shouldn't go on the audio machine) |
| 07:28.11 | RvGaTe^work | rvalles, found an alternative yet ? |
| 07:28.13 | dto | another is a laptop |
| 07:28.39 | dto | what are the good options for managing the configuration of all 3 (or more) debian boxes |
| 07:28.41 | Supaplex | dto: congrats |
| 07:28.45 | dto | anyone have experience in this area? |
| 07:28.49 | dto | Supaplex: thanks :-) |
| 07:28.54 | RvGaTe^work | dto, ssh... |
| 07:29.15 | dto | isn't there some sort of newfangled configuratorthing? |
| 07:29.24 | Supaplex | yea, it's called a shell |
| 07:29.35 | RvGaTe^work | dto, and you can remotely access a shell using ssh |
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| 07:29.54 | dto | hmm. cfengine |
| 07:29.56 | dto | :) |
| 07:30.49 | rvalles | RvGaTe^work: nah |
| 07:30.55 | rvalles | RvGaTe^work: the amiga has enough work for many hours. |
| 07:31.06 | rvalles | RvGaTe^work: dist upgrade on 38400 slip on amiga is slow. |
| 07:31.21 | RvGaTe^work | rvalles, at least yuo got time to find an alternative then :P |
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| 07:31.59 | Alik | hello |
| 07:32.15 | RvGaTe^work | Alik, hello |
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| 07:36.57 | rvalles | it's a pita. |
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| 07:48.50 | simonrvn | Zeynep-[23f] is a spam bot |
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| 07:49.19 | RvGaTe^work | simonrvn, didn't realize that with xXxGirl :P |
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| 07:49.31 | RvGaTe^work | !ops Zeynep-[23f] is a spambot |
| 07:49.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: rvgate^work complains about: Zeynep-[23f] is a spambot |
| 07:49.40 | simonrvn | kinda obvious ;) |
| 07:50.09 | RvGaTe^work | everytime you put its name in the channel it changes name ? |
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| 07:50.39 | simonrvn | RvGaTe^work: these bots have been coming to this net for a while... they always have the same behaviour. join, wait about a minute or 2, then change nick |
| 07:50.58 | RvGaTe^work | simonrvn, and then what they do? pm everyone ? |
| 07:51.08 | streuner | [B]ebek17: who owns you? |
| 07:51.11 | simonrvn | on join pm spam crap |
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| 07:53.04 | dto | hmm. the software RAID array is running, but it won't mount... I get: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/md0, |
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| 07:55.39 | RvGaTe^work | first we had peer resetting all the connections... now there is Remote that closes them all |
| 07:55.49 | geo-rge | what would make x server with nv driver have cursor invisible? |
| 07:56.16 | RvGaTe^work | geo-rge, hmm... 3d mouse? dunno |
| 07:56.31 | RvGaTe^work | geo-rge, is the mouse working ? |
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| 07:56.45 | geo-rge | gpm is working |
| 07:57.30 | geo-rge | and while the cursor isn't visible under x, it's there |
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| 07:57.57 | dto | sometimes when i install something with dselect, my new debian etch system asks for the original netinst cd. how can i stop it doing this and just go to the network for everything? |
| 07:58.10 | geo-rge | (moving the mouse over windows showed focus/unfocus of those windows) |
| 07:58.40 | geo-rge | dto: dselect?? but that's not your problem, edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 07:59.21 | dto | geo-rge: oh. thanks! |
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| 08:00.11 | geo-rge | so after you edit that file, what's next step? |
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| 08:00.39 | userfriendly | hello there. quick newbie question: i seem to remember that there is a way to make all newly created files in a directory inherit the group from that directory. how do i do that, preferrably recursively? |
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| 08:01.13 | geo-rge | you could try setgid bit on the dir |
| 08:01.28 | geo-rge | no idea if that would apply recursively |
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| 08:01.42 | userfriendly | thanks :) i'll try that |
| 08:01.50 | geo-rge | especially if there were dirs already in that dir |
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| 08:04.36 | Obligatory | Anybody awake? |
| 08:04.52 | geo-rge | maybe you are |
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| 08:05.40 | dto | hi |
| 08:06.11 | Obligatory | Somewhat awake. Maxemumtvguide, I want to sort the channel list, but can't find the config file; it's buried in some KDE folder. |
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| 08:15.22 | userfriendly | geo-rge: that worked fine. one more thing... how do i let newly created files inherit the write permission for the group in that directory? |
| 08:16.18 | userfriendly | umask ? |
| 08:16.22 | \amethyst | userfriendly: you can set the umask for the user, but that affects all files that user creates |
| 08:16.33 | userfriendly | hmm |
| 08:16.59 | \amethyst | userfriendly: if your FS supports ACLs, you can use them |
| 08:17.14 | userfriendly | it's ext3, i believe. |
| 08:17.58 | userfriendly | setting umask for the user... not just it would affect all files the user creates, but i'd also have to set it for each user that works on that project. |
| 08:18.03 | RvGaTe^work | my server at home is blocked from here... anyone can lend me some ssh account so that i can connect to my server at home? :/ |
| 08:19.11 | \amethyst | userfriendly: setfacl -m d:g::rwx dirname |
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| 08:25.55 | userfriendly | still waiting on that find to return <_< |
| 08:26.23 | userfriendly | for a recursive change, that would be setfacl -R -m d:g::rwx . right? |
| 08:27.12 | \amethyst | userfriendly: yes, and since it's a default ACL entry (d:), it will only affect directories |
| 08:27.22 | userfriendly | thanks =) |
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| 08:29.00 | \amethyst | userfriendly: be warned, most backup utilities know nothing about ACLs |
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| 08:29.22 | userfriendly | never mind, i know nothing about backup utilities, so... |
| 08:29.25 | userfriendly | heh. |
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| 08:36.12 | yalu | I seem to remember there was a tool that showed the dependencies between installed packages graphically (it creates a postscript file or something). I forgot the name though... does anytbody know |
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| 08:37.19 | cab_ | synaptic |
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| 08:37.55 | AVRS | hi |
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| 08:38.51 | \amethyst | yalu: apt-cache dotty or apt-rdepends --dotty |
| 08:39.19 | \amethyst | yalu: plus graphviz to actually do the rendering |
| 08:41.06 | AVRS | http://paste.debian.net/38824 |
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| 08:41.21 | AVRS | gnome-keyboard-properties crashes here :( |
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| 08:42.22 | Natilous | any one can say me what DOWNLOAD MANAGER is better for use ... !!! like IDM in window$ ! |
| 08:43.08 | yalu | \amethyst: thanks |
| 08:43.19 | AVRS | Natilous: "the fastest download accelerator", eh? |
| 08:43.20 | tuv | Natilous, d4x is nice, but there is nothing like wget |
| 08:43.23 | tuv | lftp too |
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| 08:44.19 | AVRS | Does anyone have any idea on why gnome-keyboard-properties crashes on start here? |
| 08:44.26 | Natilous | AVARS , in WGET can set the SYSTEM turn off after DOWNLOAD COMPLETE ?? |
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| 08:44.47 | AVRS | Natilous: well, it is possible to make a script for that. |
| 08:44.48 | Natilous | sorry AVRS ...:-[ |
| 08:44.56 | tuv | Natilous, wget www.xyz.com/file; halt |
| 08:45.19 | AVRS | Maybe && or || |
| 08:45.26 | tuv | with proper privileges |
| 08:45.32 | AVRS | So it doesn't halt if it fails... though what's the point then |
| 08:45.45 | ian_ | hey #debian, what usenet client to download bins with do you recommend |
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| 08:45.57 | Natilous | ok .. thank for your help ... |
| 08:47.12 | Alik | Hi, i have a problem with unrar with GLIBC 2.4, how can i fix it ? |
| 08:47.46 | AVRS | If you can't live without unrar, try p7zip-rar |
| 08:48.02 | AVRS | No idea if it would help, though. |
| 08:48.07 | Alik | ok i'll try it |
| 08:48.40 | Alik | Couldn't find package p7zip-rar |
| 08:48.45 | Alik | where can i find it |
| 08:48.50 | AVRS | non-free, like unrar |
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| 08:49.43 | xerophyte | good image viewer for linux ? |
| 08:49.55 | geo-rge | those things are good! |
| 08:50.12 | AVRS | xerophyte: for Debian, I'm using gqview |
| 08:50.21 | Alik | AVRS : nop nothing |
| 08:50.29 | xerophyte | AVRS thx |
| 08:50.31 | \amethyst | xerophyte: feh |
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| 08:50.37 | dpy | hi guys |
| 08:50.45 | yalu | \amethyst: the name of the rendering package is springgraph, apparently, I'm rendering a graph now :) |
| 08:50.45 | AVRS | Alik: maybe there is no p7zip-rar in Etch or whatever you are using. |
| 08:50.52 | yalu | takes a long time |
| 08:50.52 | AVRS | Alik: then unrar is there |
| 08:50.54 | Alik | i'm using Etch |
| 08:50.59 | dpy | say, I want to build a debian source package, where I patch a file containing a space |
| 08:51.00 | AVRS | Alik: well, in non-free, of course. |
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| 08:51.13 | Freddie` | helo guys |
| 08:51.18 | Alik | AVRS: i found p7zip |
| 08:51.20 | dpy | but this fails. Apparently, patch cannot handle spaces in filenames? |
| 08:51.38 | Freddie` | does anyone know the "testdisk" app ? |
| 08:51.44 | Freddie` | i need a little help |
| 08:52.33 | AVRS | Alik: p7zip, unless in non-free, does not contain the unrar plug-in. But it can pack+compress into 7z, which is as good as RAR, though does not support storing group/owner of files. |
| 08:52.37 | dpy | I have found the option --quoting-style, however, while it puts nice quotes around the filename, this filename is still wrongly extracted from the diff |
| 08:53.06 | Alik | AVRS : thats not got for me, i need unrar option |
| 08:53.36 | AVRS | Alik: http://packages.debian.org/etch/unrar |
| 08:53.39 | naught101 | how does one find out which packages are in the apt cache? |
| 08:54.04 | AVRS | naught101: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 08:54.17 | naught101 | cheers AVRS |
| 08:54.21 | AVRS | np |
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| 08:54.52 | Alik | AVRS : this is my problem -> unrar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by unrar) |
| 08:55.10 | naught101 | AVRS: do you know if there's a way to automatically upgrade using only the files in the cache? |
| 08:56.02 | AVRS | naught101: --no-download is probably for that. |
| 08:56.08 | AVRS | (apt-get) |
| 08:56.16 | \amethyst | Alik: what version of unrar is this? |
| 08:57.09 | Alik | 1:3.5.4-1 |
| 08:57.59 | geo-rge | Alik: are you using etch? |
| 08:58.09 | Alik | yes |
| 08:58.10 | naught101 | doesn't seem to work (still wants to download 200Mb of data) |
| 08:58.15 | geo-rge | and glibc and unrar from etch |
| 08:58.17 | geo-rge | ? |
| 08:58.22 | Alik | yes geo-rge |
| 08:58.32 | geo-rge | ok, that would be a bug |
| 08:58.45 | Alik | How i fix that ? |
| 08:58.50 | AVRS | naught101: read the man apt-get |
| 08:58.51 | geo-rge | well check the bts |
| 08:59.03 | Alik | bts? |
| 08:59.04 | AVRS | naught101: it suggests using --ignore-missing with it |
| 08:59.10 | geo-rge | !bts |
| 08:59.10 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 09:00.02 | \amethyst | Alik: what version of libc6 do you have? |
| 09:00.30 | AVRS | ah, bts! |
| 09:00.34 | dpy | damn |
| 09:00.40 | Alik | 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 |
| 09:00.40 | AVRS | So there's my bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443458 |
| 09:00.51 | dpy | if this is true, then I have found a severe bug in the debian packaging system |
| 09:01.10 | Gaidin | hey all i am having a problem with my dvd drive, i can't get it to mount i have tried using this site http://www.linuxconfig.org/HowTo_mount_cdrom_in_linux to no avail(it apparantly works for dvd's too), i am a new user so i am out of my depth here. |
| 09:01.11 | Alik | \amethyst -> 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 |
| 09:01.23 | naught101 | strange.. it asks to download, then doesn't... |
| 09:01.32 | \amethyst | Alik: and what architecture? |
| 09:01.42 | dpy | what if you cannot create valid source packages from packages containing spaces in the file names |
| 09:01.52 | Alik | \amethyst : i386 |
| 09:01.56 | dpy | then the debian packaging system is ineffective |
| 09:02.31 | \amethyst | Alik: strange... I am able to run the same version of unrar with the same version of libc6 |
| 09:02.49 | Crypticfortune | Gaidin: what are you trying to mount? and in what? (eg. for example gnome makes this very simple) |
| 09:03.16 | Alik | \amethyst : no idea, i always get an error on GLIBC 2.4 |
| 09:03.21 | Gaidin | i am trying to mount a burned dvd+r in a dvd burner |
| 09:03.30 | Gaidin | i am in gnome |
| 09:03.39 | geo-rge | AVRS: what does that have to do with unrar? |
| 09:03.40 | Gaidin | but it won't mound says no media found or some such |
| 09:03.45 | Gaidin | *mount |
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| 09:04.04 | Gaidin | hasn't stopped reading the drive since i tried to mount |
| 09:04.15 | geo-rge | wait, I must have gotten nicks mixed up |
| 09:04.21 | Alik | \amethyst any ideass ? |
| 09:04.24 | \amethyst | dpy: I don't have any problems applying patches with spaces in the filenames |
| 09:04.52 | Crypticfortune | Gaidin: sounds suspiciously like a broken dvd-r... what says "no media found?" |
| 09:04.56 | geo-rge | Alik: check the bts |
| 09:05.11 | Alik | nothing there about it |
| 09:05.18 | Alik | sec i'll try something else to find |
| 09:05.19 | \amethyst | Alik: just to make sure we're on the same page, does md5sum /usr/bin/unrar start with 7eef72eb ? |
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| 09:05.21 | Gaidin | a dialogue box when i try to mount and commandline when i try there |
| 09:05.30 | Gaidin | the drd worked in another machine |
| 09:05.36 | Gaidin | which was a windows machine |
| 09:05.38 | geo-rge | try bugs.debian.org/unrar |
| 09:05.40 | Gaidin | *dvd |
| 09:06.03 | Alik | \amethyst : where should i check it |
| 09:06.29 | \amethyst | Alik: run the command md5sum /usr/bin/unrar |
| 09:06.29 | Crypticfortune | Gaidin: incidentally if your goal is to play a dvd movie, you might not even need to mount it (vlc can play straight from the /dev/cdrom if your user has access) |
| 09:06.39 | Gaidin | well that is my goal that failed |
| 09:06.46 | Gaidin | using that |
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| 09:07.14 | Alik | 7eef72eb7fa686d27e252477aa0cb61f /usr/bin/unrar |
| 09:07.15 | Gaidin | ie using play disc and /dev/cdrom |
| 09:07.29 | geo-rge | yep sure does |
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| 09:08.16 | Alik | \amethyst yes |
| 09:08.27 | Alik | geo-rge : there is no bug about this |
| 09:08.44 | Crypticfortune | Gaidin: im guessing your user doesnt have access to /dev/cdrom by default. you can check the perms on /dev/cdrom (ls -l /dev/cdrom (which probably is a symlink pointing to something like /dev/scd0, which is probably in group "cdrom", so adding yourself to group cdrom should be sufficient) |
| 09:09.00 | yalu | raah graphing this takes such a friggin long time |
| 09:09.09 | geo-rge | Alik: then maybe you should email unrar@packages.debian.org |
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| 09:09.30 | Gaidin | ok gimme i sec :) |
| 09:09.32 | Gaidin | *a |
| 09:09.37 | Alik | geo-rge you sure it's a bug ? |
| 09:09.46 | Gaidin | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-10-06 04:00 /dev/cdrom -> hdd |
| 09:10.03 | Crypticfortune | Gaidin: and to add yourself to group cdrom, probably "sudo adduser gaidin cdrom" |
| 09:10.11 | \amethyst | dpy: aha, do your filenames contain trailing spaces? |
| 09:10.12 | geo-rge | I'm not claiming anything like that |
| 09:10.27 | Alik | i see. |
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| 09:10.34 | Gaidin | already a member |
| 09:10.40 | jcjoey3652 | Question: i am looking for "/usr/bin/unrar", i mean the program "unrar". i have tried to get it by typing "apt-get install unrar" and "yum install unrar" aswell as "unrar-free" on both yum and apt-get. i am using "debian sarge (netinst)" |
| 09:10.54 | geo-rge | it's you who is making the statement that it doesn't work |
| 09:11.15 | Crypticfortune | Gaidin: check the permissions on /dev/hdd just to be sure (ls -l /dev/hdd) |
| 09:11.26 | Gaidin | k |
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| 09:11.53 | geo-rge | if you email to that address, write a short polite note describing your situation, include the version of glibc and unrar and see if he replies to you |
| 09:11.58 | geo-rge | remember keep it polite] |
| 09:12.02 | Gaidin | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 64 2007-10-06 04:00 /dev/hdd |
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| 09:12.34 | Alik | ok geo-rge |
| 09:12.37 | Alik | will do |
| 09:12.38 | dpy | \amethyst: I have tried to reproduce the problem in an isolated case.. now it works... so investigating why it won't work for this package |
| 09:12.51 | Gaidin | Crypticfortune: did you get that? |
| 09:12.52 | geo-rge | Alik: that email should reach the maintainer |
| 09:12.57 | jcjoey3652 | hmm did i stumble onto a conversation about unrar allready? |
| 09:13.05 | \amethyst | dpy: One issue could be context vs old-style diffs |
| 09:13.16 | geo-rge | jcjoey3652: yes why? |
| 09:13.18 | Crypticfortune | Gaidin: yup...in that case you should be able to use /dev/cdrom directly from vlc and from the gnome vmount tool thing. if those aren't working, i'd say maybe your drive is maybe the issue? but id dunno, im out of ideas... |
| 09:13.21 | jcjoey3652 | Question: i am looking for "/usr/bin/unrar", i mean the program "unrar". i have tried to get it by typing "apt-get install unrar" and "yum install unrar" aswell as "unrar-free" on both yum and apt-get. i am using "debian sarge (netinst)" |
| 09:13.40 | Gaidin | Crypticfortune: ok thanks for your help then |
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| 09:13.58 | geo-rge | yum on sarge? |
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| 09:14.17 | jcjoey3652 | well i am accually using sarge and centos |
| 09:14.26 | jcjoey3652 | two diff machines same problem |
| 09:14.43 | geo-rge | you have not yet stated the problme |
| 09:14.56 | jcjoey3652 | i cant install unrar |
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| 09:15.01 | geo-rge | all you've said so far is you're looking for it :) |
| 09:15.04 | Sypher | hey guys, i was wondering ... whats the quickest way to recognize the total system memory in debian ? |
| 09:15.11 | \amethyst | jcjoey3652: do you have non-free in your sources.list? |
| 09:15.13 | geo-rge | ok, you can't install it why? |
| 09:15.16 | cab_ | for centos you need to enable the atrpms repository |
| 09:15.30 | cab_ | and after yum install unrar |
| 09:15.40 | widrone | Sypher: free |
| 09:15.49 | geo-rge | if I had 100 centoses would that be a buckos? |
| 09:15.50 | Sypher | widrone, wonderful, thansk :P |
| 09:16.11 | jcjoey3652 | # apt-get install unrar |
| 09:16.11 | jcjoey3652 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 09:16.11 | jcjoey3652 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 09:16.11 | jcjoey3652 | E: Couldn't find package unrar |
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| 09:16.22 | \amethyst | !non-free |
| 09:16.23 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 09:16.50 | jcjoey3652 | sorry for paste |
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| 09:17.18 | jcjoey3652 | .join #flood |
| 09:17.24 | geo-rge | nobody reads the topic when they join anymore :) |
| 09:17.49 | xand | jcjoey3652: no point using #flood, use pastebin |
| 09:18.11 | jcjoey3652 | what is paste bin |
| 09:18.13 | dpy | \amethyst: I notice that the timestamp is missing on the "debian created diff" |
| 09:18.17 | Crush` | is there a way to return the output of only one processor when doing cat /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 09:18.18 | geo-rge | !paste bin |
| 09:18.18 | dpkg | bin: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 09:18.22 | dpy | don't know why this is |
| 09:19.23 | geo-rge | Crush`: use some form of grep maybe? |
| 09:19.25 | jcjoey3652 | http://paste.debian.net/38826 |
| 09:19.28 | jcjoey3652 | like that |
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| 09:20.19 | \amethyst | dpy: what kind of diff is it? |
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| 09:21.07 | jcjoey3652 | ok so i need to add this non free source to the sources.list right |
| 09:22.32 | Cratos | I have an issue with "random" group memberships, example a user becomes member of group 1106320163, this group itself does not exist |
| 09:22.38 | \amethyst | jcjoey3652: instead of ending in "main", the existing source should end in "main non-free contrib" |
| 09:22.45 | userfriendly | geo-rge & \amethyst: thanks to you two =) everything works as ordered now. |
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| 09:23.38 | \amethyst | Cratos: becomes how? |
| 09:24.22 | \amethyst | Cratos: I mean, is that listed as the group in /etc/passwd, or just according to `id`? Is it always the same group for the same user? |
| 09:24.27 | jcjoey3652 | \amethyst: thanks im doing that right now |
| 09:24.29 | Cratos | \amethyst: I have no idea, it even happens to users who have no rights |
| 09:24.35 | \amethyst | no rights? |
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| 09:25.09 | Cratos | id -a shows it, it does not exist in /etc/passwd /etc/group or ldap |
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| 09:25.35 | \amethyst | Cratos: does it appear in getent group ? (probably not) |
| 09:26.06 | Cratos | The getent group does not list it |
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| 09:26.22 | \amethyst | Cratos: What do you mean by "users who have no rights"? |
| 09:27.11 | Cratos | Well, only root can edit /etc/* and you must have a Kerberos ticket with /admin to alter my openLDAP installation |
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| 09:27.28 | jcjoey3652 | \amethyst: for some reason on the centos box i have a sources.list.d but no sources.list |
| 09:27.58 | dpy | \amethyst: the diff is created with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 09:28.16 | aspWork | hi, i have a hp proliant dl320 with sata raid that i cant get to play with debian, from what i gather its a achi raid (ie, fake), are there any guides/howtos on how to get this to work in debian? |
| 09:28.41 | dpy | \amethyst: but when I try to use the source package it cannot patch correctly... it corrupts filenames with spaces |
| 09:28.46 | dpy | or at least this one file |
| 09:28.58 | cab_ | jcjoey3652 in centos you need to enable the atrpms or livna repo |
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| 09:29.54 | \amethyst | Cratos: is this weird group the primary or a supplemental group for the user? |
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| 09:31.10 | Cratos | No |
| 09:31.29 | Cratos | sorry, supplemental |
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| 09:37.42 | Terminus | aspWork: AFAIK, better to go software raid than try to get fake raid to work. |
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| 09:39.08 | valdyn | aspWork: debian software raid is better unless you need to share that raid with windows |
| 09:40.17 | wols_ | valdyn: can't one use sdaX/sdbX etc and use swraid for both, windows and linux? |
| 09:41.09 | valdyn | wols_: that's what dmraid does, limiting linux softraid to physical layouts that match that of the windows driver |
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| 09:41.43 | valdyn | wols_: i dont know about a softraid driver for windows that gives choice in layout |
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| 09:43.57 | valdyn | wols_: or a softraid firmware that does, to boot the system.. |
| 09:45.03 | PerfDave | Hmm, any body know where I can find Doom3 benchmark specs (or something comparable) for the free Intel xorg drivers? I'm thinking about getting an Intel mobo but am curious about what framerate I might expect ;) |
| 09:46.08 | valdyn | wols_: this article sais that windows supports generic software raids, i know nothing about that one |
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| 09:46.58 | Cratos | \amathyst: any idea? |
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| 09:49.52 | shufla | hello. I'd like to change package name from glpk to shufla-glpk. if I do apt-get source glpk ; cd glpk* ; vim debian/control s/glpk/shufla-glpk ; then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot gives me dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - shufla-glpk and glpk |
| 09:50.12 | valdyn | obviously Paragon sells an LDM driver for linux |
| 09:50.17 | valdyn | shite |
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| 09:50.24 | shufla | where is info about renaming packages? non found on debian-related package instructions... |
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| 09:51.33 | sleon_ | hi all |
| 09:51.37 | sleon_ | is there any trick how to disable ps2 keyboard on boot ? |
| 09:51.40 | sleon_ | is there sort of bootoption |
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| 09:51.43 | sleon_ | or can i unload the driver or something ? |
| 09:51.49 | sleon_ | is am using debian etch |
| 09:51.55 | streuner | shufla: why? |
| 09:52.15 | streuner | sleon_: BIOS? |
| 09:52.35 | shufla | streuner: why I need to rename it? it will be upported into sid, because in sid there is to new version of glpk, I needed older one, those from etch is quite fine. |
| 09:52.40 | sleon_ | streuner: i would like to be able to do it on boot. it should be password dependand |
| 09:52.52 | sleon_ | and bios does not allow it |
| 09:53.28 | streuner | shufla: why not just simply put them on hold? |
| 09:53.50 | PerfDave | sleon_: How will you enter the password if the keyboard is disabled? :) |
| 09:53.51 | shufla | streuner: not so simple :) those packages will be publicised. |
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| 09:55.28 | shufla | if it is not so easy I'll create fresh package from upstream glpk... |
| 09:55.43 | sleon_ | PerfDave: it is disabled on boot after i start linux |
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| 09:55.52 | sleon_ | PerfDave: and i enter password in the bootloader before linux is started |
| 09:56.04 | sleon_ | PerfDave: i f i have password the system is loaded with keyboard |
| 09:56.11 | sleon_ | when i have no password, then it is loaded without keyboard |
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| 09:58.13 | PerfDave | sleon_: Sounds like you want to talk to #grub about taht kind of password option in the BIOS. |
| 09:58.24 | PerfDave | sleon_: Why don't you tell us what you're trying to achieve? |
| 09:58.44 | sleon_ | PerfDave: i told you what i want |
| 09:58.56 | sleon_ | PerfDave: i want to disable keyboard on init processo f linux |
| 09:59.11 | sleon_ | PerfDave: thats all |
| 09:59.15 | sleon_ | not before it |
| 09:59.25 | streuner | shufla: you should talk to a DD, they have more experiences about, just /j #debian-devel (OFTC) and ask there |
| 10:00.01 | shufla | streuner: thank you :) |
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| 10:07.14 | sleon_ | PerfDave: lool, you know what the option is ? |
| 10:07.45 | xand | why do you want to do that, sleon_? |
| 10:08.13 | dpy | \amethyst: problem located |
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| 10:08.36 | PerfDave | sleon_: Since you haven't answered my question, I can't help you I'm afraid. |
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| 10:08.55 | dpy | \amethyst: spaces in filenames in a diff are only recognised by patch if the filename ends with a tab character in the diff file |
| 10:09.04 | dpy | \amethyst: this is undocumented, afaik |
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| 10:09.45 | dpy | \amethyst: the diff that is generated by dpkg-buildpackage does *not* have this tab character at the end of the filenames (and the timestamp is also missing) |
| 10:09.49 | ruben | Hello, a good way to monitor my bandwith one week, any idea/tool to do it? I want grhapics if possible :) |
| 10:09.58 | dpy | \amethyst: I'm sensing someone hase been creative with sed |
| 10:10.02 | dpy | hase=has |
| 10:10.04 | xand | sleon_: what would disabling the keyboard achieve that a login password can't prevent? |
| 10:11.44 | geo-rge | ruben: there's an old thing called mrtg. |
| 10:12.44 | \amethyst | dpy: ah... so these are context or unified diffs, but the filename lines have been mangled? |
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| 10:14.14 | ruben | geo-rge: thanks |
| 10:14.17 | dpy | \amethyst: do you know what dpkgbuildpackage uses? |
| 10:15.08 | dpy | \amethyst: I create diffs with -ruN |
| 10:15.15 | geo-rge | ruben: there is probably a lot to figure out... especially if you have to do the snmp thing |
| 10:15.30 | geo-rge | but it is what it is |
| 10:15.54 | dpy | \amethyst: they look like what dpkg-buildpackage produces, but not quite (missing tab characters and timestamp and the diff commandline rule) |
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| 10:17.36 | ruben | geo-rge: do you know a 'webbased' or something more easily? ;) |
| 10:17.54 | geo-rge | this is web |
| 10:18.04 | geo-rge | but you will have to set it up |
| 10:18.10 | \amethyst | dpy: hmm... in dpkg-source, it calls diff -u -L "$basedirname.orig/$fn" -L "$basedirname/$fn" -- old new |
| 10:18.31 | ruben | geo-rge: ok thanks |
| 10:18.42 | geo-rge | it's the setting up where you're going to have to learn stuff probably |
| 10:18.51 | \amethyst | dpy: -L sets the label, so that would probably be the source of the problem |
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| 10:19.51 | bkw | Hi, ms truetype fonts seem to be missing when I read pdf:s so pages are blank. What's package do I need to install to get all the fonts? |
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| 10:20.51 | wols_ | !msttcorefonts |
| 10:20.51 | dpkg | from memory, msttcorefonts is add contrib (ask me about it) to sources and install the package. Or go to http://corefonts.sourceforge.net |
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| 10:21.57 | \amethyst | dpy: Perhaps submit a patch to make it use -L "$basedirname.orig/$fn\t" instead (explaining the problem, of course) |
| 10:22.31 | infernix | is it possible that Etch tools lose their mind on 2.4 kernels? |
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| 10:23.06 | valdyn | infernix: yea |
| 10:23.10 | infernix | i've upgraded an old box to Etch which still runs 2.4.26 and if I run snmpd, after querying it, it will go in an infiite loop eating all CPU and RAM. strace prints ENOMEM |
| 10:23.11 | \amethyst | dpy: of course, that means filenames with tabs would cause problems, but you can't win them all |
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| 10:23.31 | valdyn | infernix: maybe you should have read the release notes to etch or the install guide |
| 10:23.54 | valdyn | infernix: use a 2.6 kernel |
| 10:24.49 | infernix | ill upgrade later |
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| 10:26.17 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to remove just the Base- and Math part of OpenOffice ? I only need the Writer, ImPress, Draw and Calc |
| 10:27.07 | dpy | \amethyst: dpkg-source has a bug |
| 10:27.19 | dpy | solution: |
| 10:27.22 | dpy | diff -uN -L $'bla-1.0.orig/With Space.txt\t' -L $'bla-1.0/With Space.txt\t' -- "bla-1.0.orig/With Space.txt" "bla-1.0/With Space.txt" |
| 10:27.48 | xand | Jemt: no, for one thing they all use the same binary |
| 10:28.02 | \amethyst | dpy: It's Perl, not shell, but yeah |
| 10:28.16 | dpy | \amethyst: similar things apply to perl |
| 10:28.18 | ruben | geo-rge: is mandatory to use smntp to use mrgt? |
| 10:28.23 | dpy | I think you can use \t directly in perl |
| 10:28.24 | Jemt | xand: Ok, bugger. I'm low on disk space (USB key install) |
| 10:28.35 | Jemt | xand: Thanks though |
| 10:28.55 | xand | are you using gnome or kde or something lighter? |
| 10:29.05 | Jemt | xand: Using Gnome-Core :) |
| 10:29.10 | geo-rge | ruben: I don't remember... it might be |
| 10:29.11 | \amethyst | dpy: you're looking for line 555 (in dpkg-dev 1.14.6, anyway) |
| 10:29.13 | xand | o>o |
| 10:29.25 | ruben | geo-rge: uhmm, it is possible using iptraf? |
| 10:29.26 | dpy | tnx |
| 10:29.33 | Jemt | xand: Acutally I don't think I can do without anything else but oobase and oomath :) |
| 10:29.53 | dpy | I'll also post a patch with bugreport on bugs.debian.org |
| 10:30.17 | geo-rge | I remember installing an snmp thing that watched a particular eth port |
| 10:30.20 | xand | I ran debian on a 1GB USB stick for a while... sucked |
| 10:30.22 | \amethyst | Jemt: you can install the individual components... it will save a little space |
| 10:30.34 | geo-rge | and then using mrtg to watch that snmp thing (over snmp) |
| 10:30.39 | Jemt | \amethyst: Oh, that sounds good. I'll look into that. Thanks :) |
| 10:30.46 | Jemt | xand: Runs great here :) |
| 10:30.55 | geo-rge | xand: why sucked? |
| 10:31.00 | \amethyst | Jemt: don't install the package openoffice.org, as that will pull in all the components |
| 10:31.07 | xand | geo-rge: couldn't install things I wanted |
| 10:31.15 | Jemt | \amethyst: Okay :) |
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| 10:31.43 | cab_ | every time i boot up my box i need to run alsaconf to load my audio device , how i can save this setting in the kernel ? |
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| 10:32.17 | Jemt | \amethyst: Ah, yes. You can just install ie openoffice.org-writer :) |
| 10:32.19 | Jemt | Excellent :D |
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| 10:33.25 | riz | Hello. Is there a way to tells to grep "tell me the results of a particoular line, (for example 5th line) |
| 10:33.47 | cab_ | probabily modprobe? |
| 10:34.10 | riz | now I'm using grep with tail and head but maybe there is a quick way with grep only |
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| 10:37.17 | geo-rge | riz: it's possible, but the thing is, now you're using -unix- |
| 10:37.22 | sleon_ | oh god |
| 10:37.44 | sleon_ | i do not need your help motherfucker, because you can not help me. the answer was i8042.nokb idiot |
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| 10:38.19 | riz | geo-rge is it possibile with grep only ? |
| 10:38.42 | GuHHH | riz: cat file | head -n line | tail -n line |
| 10:38.43 | geo-rge | no, grep does not select lines by position |
| 10:38.56 | GuHHH | it doesnt do that? |
| 10:39.21 | geo-rge | GuHHH: your way does the thing he wants |
| 10:39.41 | riz | GuHHH okok this is actually what I use, but maybe there is a solution only with grep |
| 10:39.55 | riz | GuHHH seem doesn't :) |
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| 10:39.58 | geo-rge | look into ed and sed |
| 10:40.05 | geo-rge | look into awk |
| 10:40.27 | geo-rge | but you have in front of you now, the easiest to understand way |
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| 10:41.06 | cab_ | how i can save the snd module in the kernel ? |
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| 10:41.31 | riz | Thank |
| 10:41.41 | wols_ | cab_: "save" it? |
| 10:41.53 | wols_ | you can compile it in or load it as a module, which it already is |
| 10:42.25 | geo-rge | maybe what he wants to save is the loading of the module in order to have that happen at boot |
| 10:42.30 | cab_ | beacsuse very time i boot up my machine i need to run alsaconf |
| 10:42.38 | cab_ | to load my sound |
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| 10:42.53 | cab_ | yes geo-rge |
| 10:43.11 | cab_ | how i can do that ? |
| 10:43.16 | geo-rge | I thought alsaconf did save that stuff |
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| 10:45.24 | cahoot | isn't alsaconf broken/obsoleted? |
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| 10:46.21 | cab_ | i have alsa-base 1.0.13-5 |
| 10:46.27 | niru | how to make motioneye to work in linux in sony laptop |
| 10:46.34 | cab_ | and alsa-utils 1.0.13-5 |
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| 10:46.49 | cab_ | on a debian etch |
| 10:47.08 | YouBucky | Hey Guys, how do I check how many ethernet interfaces I have installed on Debian? |
| 10:47.09 | cahoot | cab_: run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base and invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
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| 10:47.47 | cab_ | ok i try now |
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| 10:49.46 | Cr3iKon | Buenas |
| 10:49.51 | Cr3iKon | i have a problem |
| 10:49.53 | geo-rge | look in the back of the computer you have |
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| 10:50.31 | geo-rge | and when you see the first ethernet port, say "ONE!" |
| 10:50.32 | Cr3iKon | |
| 10:50.32 | Cr3iKon | as I can eliminate a program completely, and eliminate its process completely? |
| 10:50.45 | YouBucky | geo-rge: Haha thanks, bit of a leading question. Say you dont want to bring it up but want to list the interfaces available |
| 10:50.54 | xand | YouBucky: ifconfig -a |
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| 10:50.56 | geo-rge | try ifconfig -a |
| 10:51.13 | xand | YouBucky: unless the module isn't loaded for it |
| 10:51.23 | dimir | Moin! |
| 10:51.35 | geo-rge | leading doesn't work that well because there are just too many possibilities to try guessing |
| 10:51.53 | bkw_ | Hi, when I view pdf:s they are completely blank, but they're working on other systems. It seems like there are msfonts missing. What package do I need to install to get that working? |
| 10:52.31 | YouBucky | geo-rge/xand: Thanks, its kind of a leading question so I'll check one thinf before I continue |
| 10:52.33 | themill | msttcorefonts, but I doubt that's the problem. |
| 10:52.43 | themill | bkw_: ^^ |
| 10:52.44 | geo-rge | leading works better when you go into a coffee house, and say "Hey, I want some of that black liquid that makes you excited..." |
| 10:53.16 | Cr3iKon | Hi, i have a problem with my apache2, how I can unstall this program completely, and eliminate also its process? |
| 10:53.59 | geo-rge | did you install it from a debian apt-get command? |
| 10:54.11 | bkw_ | themill: E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate :/ |
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| 10:54.46 | themill | bkw_: it's in non-free |
| 10:54.56 | vaq | Cr3iKon: apt-get --purge remove apache2* |
| 10:55.14 | Cr3iKon | vaq: this command remove the process? |
| 10:55.38 | vaq | Cr3iKon: it stops apache2 and remove all it's files and packages linking to apache2 |
| 10:56.02 | bkw_ | themill: I've non-free in my sources.list, but I get Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 10:56.13 | bkw_ | themill: so that cannot be the problem.. |
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| 10:56.33 | themill | bkw_: sorry... it's actually in contrib |
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| 10:56.54 | geo-rge | Cr3iKon: did you install it from an apt-get command? |
| 10:57.17 | Cr3iKon | excuseme, i am a noob, and if i write apac and press key "TAB", the terminal show apache, it is the program install !! |
| 10:57.32 | vaq | then deinstall it? |
| 10:57.55 | geo-rge | Cr3iKon: ok, how did you come to have debian? |
| 10:58.20 | geo-rge | (just asking, just curious)_ |
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| 10:58.33 | Cr3iKon | geo-rge: this channel ? |
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| 10:58.48 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 10:58.56 | geo-rge | let me ask another way |
| 10:59.12 | geo-rge | are you running linux now? |
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| 11:05.36 | bkw_ | themill: right, thanks. |
| 11:06.24 | Gryflhase | is there an (X)-application, that tranlates a word marked with the cursor from english to german? |
| 11:06.33 | YouBucky | Guys, I've got a switch card in my Debian box, do you think it possible to use NIC teaming? |
| 11:06.40 | Gryflhase | (a kkind of dictrionary) |
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| 11:10.23 | GuHHH | Gryflhase: startdict |
| 11:10.32 | GuHHH | ops |
| 11:10.40 | GuHHH | i mean |
| 11:10.44 | GuHHH | StarDict |
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| 11:13.21 | Gryflhase | thx@ GuHHH |
| 11:13.32 | GuHHH | ok :) |
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| 11:14.22 | GuHHH | Gryflhase: http://stardict.sourceforge.net/ to download the dictionaries |
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| 11:20.02 | vlt | Hello. I'm checking a hard drive for bad blocks using `badblocks -svw /dev/hda` and get "Checking for bad blocks in read-write mode \n From block 0 to 6297480 \n Testing with pattern 0xaa: done 480 \n Reading and comparing: done 480" This is repeated for several patterns. What does "480" mean here? |
| 11:20.04 | Gryflhase | Ok.... thx, for pasting the link, I was to lazy to start the webbrowser to download it now ;) |
| 11:20.39 | \amethyst | vlt: the number of the bad block? |
| 11:21.11 | vlt | \amethyst: ahh, ok, that was too easy ... |
| 11:21.16 | \amethyst | vlt: ... or it's the last three digits of 6297480 |
| 11:21.31 | vlt | \amethyst: hmmm |
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| 11:22.49 | helmut | Hi. Can someone tell me what an mdadm raid1 does when two mirrored discs return different data for a block (i.e. not a failure, but corruption)? |
| 11:23.11 | \amethyst | vlt: does the '480' appear in the same place as the block numbers counting up? |
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| 11:27.35 | GuHHH | how do i add a text to the end of a file? cant remember... |
| 11:28.01 | xand | >> |
| 11:28.57 | GuHHH | ok, i will try, thanks |
| 11:30.03 | buu | Somebody utilize their vast knowledge of linux and save me. I'm running cygwin on a windows box and sshing in to a debian box. When I'm inside this ssh console and hit 'f1' and so on, it's not sending the "correct" keycode, that is, a program that is expecting F1 isn't responding to the keystroke. |
| 11:30.34 | xand | use putty |
| 11:30.38 | buu | =[ |
| 11:30.42 | RvGaTe^work | =] |
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| 11:31.24 | buu | Haha, it doesn't work either. |
| 11:31.35 | buu | Excellent. |
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| 11:33.47 | vlt | \amethyst: I ran `badblocks` again. Yes, it's exaclty the same place where the counter is. So it seems not to be cleared correctly (running in `screen`). The last line "Pass completed, 0 bad blocks found" verifies this. Thanks for the hint. |
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| 11:35.56 | EbilPhish | Greetings, my mythtv install is segment faulting when i try to start it under the latest testing, how do I got about finding the problem? |
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| 11:36.41 | garotasapo | Hi. Why does kernel 2.6.22 use /dev/sda instead of /dev/hda for my IDE disk? |
| 11:36.53 | EbilPhish | I believe its a library at fault rather then mythtv, I tried to build from source and got the same seg fault |
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| 11:37.47 | _prsr_ | garotasapo, because kernel devs are messing with block device code :/ |
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| 11:38.04 | _prsr_ | i think they want to move it all inside the scsi layer or something |
| 11:38.19 | EbilPhish | garotasapo: Its meant to do that, I don't remember the reason however |
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| 11:38.38 | cab_ | cahoot are you still here? |
| 11:38.47 | garotasapo | EbilPhish, _prsr_ ohh ok. I thought it was something I should configure to have /dev/hda back. |
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| 11:39.25 | garotasapo | btw the apt-get install should configure fstab and grub properly, because it hangs on booting with the message Waiting for root filesystem |
| 11:39.42 | cab_ | i have try run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base and invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 11:39.43 | EbilPhish | garotasapo: I think in thoery your supposed to use UUID's for devices now rather than their block names although Its a bit of a pain |
| 11:39.56 | cab_ | but is the same , after the reboot |
| 11:40.18 | cab_ | the sound module is not load |
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| 11:44.33 | cab_ | anyone know how i can save the sound module in the kernel ? |
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| 11:46.03 | cast | what are you trying to do cab_ |
| 11:46.20 | xand | read up ;) |
| 11:46.21 | EbilPhish | cab_: If you mean you want the module loaded at boot, put it in /etc/modules |
| 11:46.53 | cab_ | when i boot the box is whitout sound |
| 11:47.04 | cab_ | after i run alsaconf it work |
| 11:47.14 | cab_ | but when i reboot i lost my setting |
| 11:47.54 | EbilPhish | cab_: 'lsmod' befoure and after running alsaconf and see what modules are loaded maybe, then put em into /etc/modules |
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| 11:48.29 | EbilPhish | cab_: Actually 'lsmod | grep snd" should show you the sound releated ones |
| 11:48.30 | r4ndr4d4s | halo |
| 11:48.33 | cab_ | ok ebilphish i try now |
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| 11:52.23 | DeathGauge | I did 'aptitude install kde' and after a while of installing packages I rebooted to find that KDE wasn't one of the choices o_O |
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| 11:53.04 | abrotman | choices where? |
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| 11:53.47 | DeathGauge | for picking sessions at the login screen |
| 11:53.48 | GuHHH | DeathGauge: kdm |
| 11:53.52 | garotasapo | DeathGauge, try to dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
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| 11:57.39 | aptspa | hi |
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| 11:57.59 | Vint | hi all |
| 11:58.13 | thyko | im looking for backup hardware that 1) Is on the network, 2) is very reliable, 3 stores atleast 700GB in one media, preferable a tape |
| 11:58.27 | thyko | whats the best of that type? |
| 11:58.32 | aptspa | I know that vmware is not supported, but I'm wondering if any of you could give me a simple direction: |
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| 11:58.48 | aptspa | About headers I get: kernel headers (version @@VMWARE@@ UTS_RELEASE) does not match |
| 11:58.49 | aptspa | your running kernel |
| 11:59.18 | aptspa | I installed linux-headers-`uname -r` but still gives me the same error |
| 11:59.26 | aptspa | Do you know how to solve it? |
| 11:59.31 | GuHHH | DeathGauge: you can try: apt-get install rcconf;rcconf |
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| 12:00.14 | abrotman | thyko: is it giong to run debian ? |
| 12:00.17 | aptspa | It says that when trying to compile vmmon |
| 12:00.24 | abrotman | aptspa: ask #vmware |
| 12:00.29 | aptspa | thank you |
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| 12:00.32 | cab_ | thanks ebilphish it's work !!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:00.42 | EbilPhish | cab_: nps |
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| 12:01.18 | thyko | if it needs an OS, probably |
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| 12:01.45 | abrotman | thyko: maybe ask #hardware ? |
| 12:02.08 | GuHHH | i have a module for a sound card... (that there isnt on the kernel), so i have to recompile the kernel with support for this module... how can i do this? |
| 12:02.08 | abrotman | admittedly .. that's usually something you call a company about .. not IRC |
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| 12:04.33 | fredl | hi guys. I tried to rename /dev/video0 <-> /dev/video1 in /etc/udev/udev.rules but it doesn't seem to work |
| 12:04.39 | Haris | Are there any vulnerabilities known in php 4.3.10-22? |
| 12:04.54 | abrotman | Haris: probably |
| 12:04.58 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 12:04.58 | dpkg | i guess tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 12:05.35 | abrotman | what would PHP be without vulns ... |
| 12:06.29 | fredl | shouldn't this work: |
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| 12:06.39 | fredl | KERNEL=="video0", NAME="video1" |
| 12:06.39 | fredl | KERNEL="video1", NAME="video0" |
| 12:06.44 | Haris | http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2007-2519 |
| 12:06.45 | utopia_ | does anybody here know how to list the fonts available to figlet? |
| 12:07.06 | abrotman | Haris: why are you using sarge again ? |
| 12:07.36 | Haris | abrotman: again? |
| 12:07.45 | abrotman | tell us again, why are you using sarge instead of etch ? |
| 12:07.55 | xand | I use potato |
| 12:07.56 | Haris | This is a client's box, built on sarge, old box |
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| 12:08.07 | dimir | I eat potato! |
| 12:08.07 | Haris | I'm using etch at home on vmware, that's my test box |
| 12:08.09 | abrotman | xand: for a webserver ? |
| 12:08.36 | abrotman | Haris: just so you know, sarge will only have security support until april or so |
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| 12:09.02 | GuHHH | i have a module for a sound card... (that there isnt on the kernel), so i have to recompile the kernel with support for this module... how can i do this? |
| 12:09.09 | Haris | abrotman: I hope plesk people announce etch as a supported platform before that, so my client can upgrade |
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| 12:09.25 | abrotman | use a real mailserver ? |
| 12:09.51 | Haris | it says pear is vulnerable in php4 |
| 12:10.00 | themill | hmmmm... plesk... so it's an x-y problem, really. |
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| 12:10.12 | suppaman | hi |
| 12:10.35 | Haris | arge (security)4:4.3.10-22vulnerable |
| 12:10.44 | Haris | damned I had 10-16 before installing curl |
| 12:10.59 | abrotman | you think 10-16 is less vulnerable ? |
| 12:11.01 | Haris | themill: The problem is security. What's x-y? |
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| 12:11.21 | Haris | abrotman: Well, no files were modified before today |
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| 12:11.31 | themill | !xy problem |
| 12:11.31 | dpkg | xy problem is probably they ask for X thinking it will get them to Y, but they're usually wrong! |
| 12:11.34 | abrotman | Haris: it's PHP .. it's got more holes than a block of swiss cheese .. get over it .. get used to it |
| 12:11.44 | Haris | The security issu eonly lists 10-22 as vulnerable, not 10-16 |
| 12:11.49 | Haris | abrotman: Agreed |
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| 12:12.04 | abrotman | Haris: and -16 is vulnerable to something else .. probably something more severe |
| 12:12.06 | themill | streuner_: your ident is root... |
| 12:12.06 | suppaman | I'm trying to run a crontab command but it's not working, where can I find log ? |
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| 12:12.18 | suppaman | I'm not getting anything in /var/log |
| 12:12.25 | Haris | abrotman: No known incidents with 10-16 to date |
| 12:12.32 | abrotman | Haris: how the fuck do oyu know? |
| 12:12.34 | stew | Holborn: it wouldn't list 10-16 since 10-16 isn't in debian |
| 12:12.39 | stew | Haris: ^^^ |
| 12:12.45 | Haris | abrotman: Cause the clients never complained before |
| 12:12.52 | Haris | stew: Yes, I know |
| 12:12.52 | abrotman | Haris: the client is giong to know? |
| 12:13.03 | Haris | yes, when files are changed |
| 12:13.10 | Speckal | is it just me, or is the gnome in etch a little buggy sometimes |
| 12:13.21 | abrotman | Haris: http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1331 |
| 12:13.26 | abrotman | tha'ts what -22 fixed |
| 12:13.50 | abrotman | and this is -21 http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1296 |
| 12:13.54 | Haris | I haven't gotton my eyes off'of the first CVE article yet |
| 12:13.57 | streuner | themill: thanks |
| 12:13.58 | abrotman | so .. you can keep going back to -16 if youwant |
| 12:14.03 | abrotman | oh jesus .. |
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| 12:14.29 | superchik | Hello to all....... |
| 12:14.33 | themill | !cluebat Haris |
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| 12:15.17 | Haris | as if my health wasn't bad before :p |
| 12:15.20 | stew | !cmd: cluebat (.*) =~ s#sarge#etch# |
| 12:15.21 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'cmd: cluebat (.*)' to modify, stew |
| 12:15.25 | stew | yes you did |
| 12:15.34 | stew | !cmd: cluebat (.*?) =~ s#sarge#etch# |
| 12:15.34 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 12:15.52 | superchik | as they are? |
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| 12:16.39 | Haris | stew: lol |
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| 12:16.43 | Haris | runtime changes, good |
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| 12:18.37 | niru | is xawtv for motioneye |
| 12:19.00 | RvGaTe^work | Hey, i manged to get a working pxe server using this link: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 this all works fine, and the client boots perfect... but how would i set up the pxe config, so that it could be possible to load an .iso file (or any other image), instead of a linux kernel... ? |
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| 12:21.23 | niru | !debian /xawtv |
| 12:21.28 | niru | debian /xawtv |
| 12:21.33 | niru | debian !awtv |
| 12:21.39 | RvGaTe^work | !awtv |
| 12:21.39 | niru | debian !xawtv |
| 12:21.39 | Haris | debian doesn't install pear with php? |
| 12:21.46 | niru | !xawtv |
| 12:21.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, xawtv is used to watch tv in X. You need bttv or video4linux. or at http://www.in-berlin.de/User/kraxel/xawtv.html, or xawtv sucks and you should use tvtime |
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| 12:21.54 | Haris | php4, that is |
| 12:22.19 | niru | RvGaTe^work, actually i have motioneye in my sony laptop |
| 12:22.22 | abrotman | Haris: are you getting paid to do this? |
| 12:22.24 | niru | is xawtv for that |
| 12:22.39 | Borbus | Hi guys, when I SSH into my box using PuTTY, screen doesn't seem to be able to change the title bar of the terminal, it just stays at whatever title bash used before I started screen... Is there anything that might be overriding screen's title? |
| 12:22.57 | themill | Haris: please learn to fish. apt-cache search php4 pear |
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| 12:26.56 | Borbus | Ok.. I have to go.. I'll ask the question again later... |
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| 12:27.34 | geo-rge | from nosa to nose? |
| 12:28.15 | suppaman | Georgy32: s/a/e/ |
| 12:28.23 | suppaman | geo-rge: |
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| 12:29.24 | suppaman | bye |
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| 12:32.34 | RvGaTe^work | anyone? :( |
| 12:32.48 | abrotman | AIUI .. you can only pass it a kernel |
| 12:34.31 | RvGaTe^work | abrotman, so that means i need to load a kernel that loads the image ? |
| 12:34.44 | abrotman | you could try that .. maybve |
| 12:34.51 | RvGaTe^work | no idea where to start :S |
| 12:36.36 | xand | why wouldn't gedit be able to save a file that vim can? it tells me i don't have permission to which is bollocks |
| 12:36.56 | abrotman | errors? |
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| 12:38.12 | xand | save as a different name... I then can't save that new file anymore :S |
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| 12:38.58 | xand | stupid program |
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| 12:40.35 | geo-rge | xand: perhaps one of these editors switched dirs accidently |
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| 12:40.37 | geo-rge | ? |
| 12:40.46 | xand | eh |
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| 12:40.55 | abrotman | or you renamed the directory you started in ? |
| 12:40.59 | xand | no |
| 12:41.12 | dererk | @ |
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| 12:41.20 | geo-rge | do the file perms look weird? |
| 12:41.24 | xand | I create a file in gedit, close it, reopen, then can no longer open it |
| 12:41.29 | xand | permissions are fine |
| 12:41.36 | xand | erm, sorry, can no longer save |
| 12:41.41 | geo-rge | is there CVS in there? |
| 12:41.52 | xand | no, it's a fuse sshfs mount |
| 12:42.13 | geo-rge | hmmm |
| 12:42.41 | geo-rge | so in sshfs it mounts a dir that's available on a different machine? |
| 12:42.48 | xand | yes |
| 12:42.52 | geo-rge | so there |
| 12:42.57 | geo-rge | is a wrinkle here ;) |
| 12:43.14 | geo-rge | do you have user id numbers synced? |
| 12:43.16 | xand | odd that it works fine in vim but not gedit |
| 12:43.20 | xand | no, that's not necessary |
| 12:43.36 | DustyBin | do you guys think sshfs is a ugly hack? |
| 12:43.37 | geo-rge | that would be od yes |
| 12:44.39 | geo-rge | could it be that each editor is opening the file in a different way? |
| 12:44.53 | geo-rge | and one works :) |
| 12:45.33 | geo-rge | DustyBin: I never tried it |
| 12:45.37 | xand | I'm trying to strace it but apparently it doesn't want to open if I pipe 2 to a file |
| 12:45.42 | xand | DustyBin: maybe. |
| 12:45.53 | themill | xand: does vim work with :w or do you need :w! ? |
| 12:45.56 | geo-rge | you might want to look at the source |
| 12:46.05 | dpy | \amethyst: I have submitted the bugreport+patch for dpkg-source/dpkg-dev |
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| 12:46.20 | xand | themill: :w works |
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| 12:46.39 | xand | actually... it *was* working in gedit... then it stopped |
| 12:46.57 | geo-rge | what were you doing around the time it stopped |
| 12:47.11 | xand | typing ;) |
| 12:47.19 | xand | then press ctrl-s to save and it didn't work |
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| 12:47.55 | geo-rge | alright, so you had pressed ctrl-s before in this same session? |
| 12:48.01 | geo-rge | and that worked? |
| 12:48.02 | xand | yes |
| 12:48.23 | xand | several times. |
| 12:48.35 | xand | I might just have to use smbmount instead |
| 12:48.41 | geo-rge | ok, so the problem happened between the last success and the failure |
| 12:49.14 | geo-rge | what are the dir perms right now |
| 12:49.32 | niru | geo-rge, is it so that motion eye works with xawtv |
| 12:49.47 | niru | or is it like motioneye command should run automatically |
| 12:49.59 | niru | I am connecting webcam then only it is worjking |
| 12:50.00 | geo-rge | no idea, never ran either |
| 12:50.14 | xand | rwx--x--x.... but it can't be a permissions error if it works in other programs and works for new files in gedit |
| 12:50.39 | geo-rge | no r for group or other? |
| 12:50.48 | geo-rge | strange. |
| 12:51.10 | xand | it's that way as there's stuff in public_html |
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| 12:51.51 | geo-rge | so you want it to be able to read the dir but not (what goes here) |
| 12:52.15 | xand | x doesn't allow them to read |
| 12:52.35 | stew | geo-rge: 711 on directories means you can cd to the directory but not ls, but if you know a file that is in the directory you can get that file (but you need to know the name of the file beforehand) |
| 12:52.37 | geo-rge | x lets them list the dir contents |
| 12:52.44 | xand | no it doesn't, r does |
| 12:52.48 | stew | geo-rge: no r lets them list dir contents |
| 12:52.49 | xand | x lets you cd |
| 12:53.00 | geo-rge | ok |
| 12:53.06 | xand | anyway, doesn't matter as I'm the owner |
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| 12:54.02 | geo-rge | xand: I'm guessing gedit might do a precheck on permissions before trying to open |
| 12:54.03 | simon23 | hi - is there a chance to find out how long mkdosfs will need to run to format and check my 1GB sd memory card ? |
| 12:54.21 | simon23 | last night it ran from 12 to5 but it wasnt finished. |
| 12:54.22 | xand | geo-rge: but permissions are fine and it can open |
| 12:54.40 | geo-rge | that's the simplest of many possibilities that explain this behavior |
| 12:55.05 | themill | xand: gedit wouldn't have some dickhead permission check in there that's wrong, would it? |
| 12:55.22 | geo-rge | what I'm saying is the perm check that might be there is inaccurate |
| 12:55.24 | xand | I guess it might look at the uid manually, and see that it doesn't match |
| 12:55.37 | geo-rge | that's a big part of what I' |
| 12:55.41 | geo-rge | m thinking :) |
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| 12:58.10 | zefab | Is there a way to enable it ? |
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| 13:01.12 | Speckal | I've noticed that on every etch installation I've done, the network icon in the top right of gnome says "No network connection" even though there is one and it's working perfectly |
| 13:01.21 | Speckal | am I doing something wrong? |
| 13:02.06 | stew | Speckal: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 13:02.12 | Speckal | willl do |
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| 13:03.52 | gustavo | hey |
| 13:04.20 | gustavo | why my /etc/network/interfaces config doesnt loads on system start? |
| 13:04.55 | Speckal | stew: so the icon I'm seeing is part of Network Manager, and, because all of my network setups use static IPs, NM will not manage them. And then, because NM isn't managing any connections, it feels the need to report that it sees "No network connection" Do I have that right? |
| 13:05.15 | abrotman | gustavo: is it set to auto ? |
| 13:05.21 | RvGaTe^work | gustavo, pastebin your "interfaces -a" and the interfaces file... |
| 13:05.33 | abrotman | you mean ifconfig -a ? |
| 13:05.39 | RvGaTe^work | oh shit.. yeah |
| 13:05.46 | gustavo | abrotman: yes, it yes |
| 13:06.04 | stew | Speckal: correct |
| 13:06.07 | _evo_ | gustavo, on every startup |
| 13:06.11 | gustavo | abrotman: i'd edit the file |
| 13:06.25 | stew | gustavo: does it work when you "/etc/init.d/networking restart"? |
| 13:06.42 | gustavo | yes, when i do ifdown -a and ifup -a |
| 13:07.01 | Speckal | stew: in that case, should I disable NM completely and get rid of the icon. (if i'm not using it, it doesn't need to be running) |
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| 13:07.37 | Kartoffelsalat | is there an app which shows the ressouce consumption of a website (running on apache with php5 + mysql(i))? |
| 13:07.43 | pike_ | awk is kicking my ass |
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| 13:08.17 | Noborusan | hi guys |
| 13:08.17 | gustavo | any idea why does this happens? |
| 13:08.30 | Noborusan | can anyone tell me in 'top' what does this string mean |
| 13:08.33 | abrotman | gustavo: and when you /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 13:08.53 | _evo_ | gustavo, on every startup ?! |
| 13:08.55 | Noborusan | Cpu(s): 1.3%us, 0.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 98.3%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, |
| 13:09.18 | Noborusan | us == used ? ...and what the others stand for ? |
| 13:09.19 | gustavo | _evo_: yes |
| 13:09.57 | stew | Noborusan: man top and to to the "2c. CPU States" section |
| 13:10.12 | Noborusan | stew, thanks |
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| 13:10.32 | grirgz | hi |
| 13:11.02 | abrotman | gustavo: and when you /etc/init.d/networking restart .. does it work ? |
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| 13:11.06 | nkuttler | gustavo: maybe missing some drivers when networking is started. external firmware, hotplug etc |
| 13:11.20 | stew | abrotman: he said yes to that, and using ifup -a works |
| 13:11.27 | abrotman | he did ? |
| 13:11.38 | abrotman | all i saw was ifup/down |
| 13:11.50 | abrotman | anyways... |
| 13:11.58 | gustavo | abrotman: not, its not ;/ |
| 13:11.59 | Noborusan | stew, so the first 3 string is 0.1x 0.1x and 0.1x,do those mean the system is highloaded at the time ? |
| 13:12.03 | stew | hmm, well networking restart simply does ifdown/ifup anyway |
| 13:12.05 | grirgz | Does someone know what mean the error "unknown date format" when i do "sudo apt-get update" ? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39634/ (sorry, french version) (and sorry, it's on ubuntu, but nobody know on #ubuntu, and it dont seem to be a server issue because 2 others computers with the same source.list does not have this error) |
| 13:12.12 | abrotman | gustavo: it doesn't work when you do that? |
| 13:12.20 | gustavo | abrotman: restart |
| 13:12.23 | abrotman | gustavo: can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces file somewhere ? |
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| 13:12.50 | stew | Noborusan: no, that is less than 1% utilized |
| 13:13.24 | gustavo | abrotman: sure |
| 13:13.38 | stew | grirgz: try a ubuntu mailing list if you aren't getting help from #ubuntu |
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| 13:14.14 | stew | gustavo: perhaps the module for the network card isn't loaded at the time networking starts? is your network card driver listed in /etc/modules ? |
| 13:14.22 | Speckal | stew: in that case, should I disable NM completely and get rid of the icon? (if i'm not using it, it doesn't need to be running) |
| 13:14.36 | stew | Speckal: sure. |
| 13:14.45 | abrotman | gustavo: is this a laptop ? |
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| 13:15.09 | themill | grirgz: not much we can help you with there. But try LANG=C apt-get update to get the error messages in english for people. |
| 13:15.14 | Noborusan | stew, Thanks. |
| 13:15.38 | gustavo | stew: well... it just doesnt loads the one i manullay edited |
| 13:16.00 | mmc | i want to pin my repository, I have a Release file with "Label: Maruska" and I have Pin: release l="Maruska" Pin-Priority: 1001 Still my packages are being upgraded from other sources |
| 13:16.06 | stew | gustavo: is the driver for the card you manually edited listed in /etc/modules? |
| 13:16.10 | gustavo | abrotman: no... its desktop... im using a realtek 8169 |
| 13:16.48 | gustavo | stew: nothing there, its empty hehe |
| 13:17.21 | themill | mmc: try leaving out the quotes.... i seem to remember something about that once before... |
| 13:17.45 | gustavo | stew: i guess itsnt modular |
| 13:18.02 | stew | gustavo: what isn't modular? |
| 13:18.04 | grirgz | themill: ok thanks, this is a very strange error, it seem that nobody has ever had it, when i search google, i only get patch files |
| 13:18.21 | stew | grirgz: ask #ubuntu |
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| 13:18.58 | themill | grirgz: We can't really help you any more than that: ubuntu != debian. |
| 13:19.03 | grirgz | sorry to bother you with ubuntu issues :/ |
| 13:19.11 | gustavo | stew: i guess my ethernet card was compiled built-in |
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| 13:19.16 | sipher | Hello, I'm having an issue with a MegaRAID IDE controller. |
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| 13:19.19 | stew | gustavo: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 13:19.25 | sipher | I have it configured as a raid1 |
| 13:19.35 | gustavo | 2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 13:19.47 | sipher | but when I go through the installation it detects each drive individually. |
| 13:19.54 | Nyle | good morning |
| 13:19.59 | gustavo | !paste |
| 13:19.59 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 13:20.47 | stew | gustavo: then i doubt it was compiled in |
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| 13:22.38 | grirgz | bye |
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| 13:23.21 | stew | gustavo: try putting r8169 into /etc/modules |
| 13:23.55 | gustavo | but doesnt even network restart worked ;/ |
| 13:24.13 | stew | gustavo: huh? |
| 13:24.38 | Nyle | stew: re arrange the words |
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| 13:25.39 | stew | Nyle: how? |
| 13:25.39 | gustavo | Nyle: mine? |
| 13:25.58 | Nyle | stew: "network restart doesn't even work(ed)" |
| 13:26.00 | gustavo | but even network restart didnt work, is it right? |
| 13:26.03 | gustavo | lol |
| 13:26.05 | gustavo | :) |
| 13:26.06 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:26.33 | stew | gustavo: is r8169 kernel module loaded? |
| 13:27.04 | gustavo | well, im connect through it now |
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| 13:27.39 | Nyle | stew: isn't it called rtl8169 or 8169too or something. r8169 is the new name? or driver? or whatsup |
| 13:27.50 | gustavo | yes, it yes |
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| 13:27.56 | gustavo | *is |
| 13:28.09 | stew | gustavo: was the kernel module loaded the last time /etc/init.d/networking restart DIDN'T work? |
| 13:28.28 | gustavo | stew: sure... i just tried |
| 13:28.33 | stew | Nyle: no, its called r8169 |
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| 13:28.41 | sipher | ugh. =/ It won't boot now. |
| 13:28.46 | stew | gustavo: oh, please pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces then |
| 13:28.47 | gustavo | yes, r8169 |
| 13:28.51 | abrotman | stew: see!~ |
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| 13:29.09 | slump | does anyone have an adaptec 1220sa running? |
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| 13:29.30 | themill | Nyle: you're thinking of 8139too and 8139cp which are 10/100 cards; r8169 is a gigabit card |
| 13:29.44 | slump | i've set raid-1 for two drives, and the kernel recognizes the board fine, thought, it shows up both harddisks and not the logical drive. |
| 13:29.48 | mmc | themill: you remembered (almost)correctly ! Pin origin does not work with "" as noted in http://www.debianhelp.org/node/7985 man page says with "" |
| 13:30.02 | Nyle | themill: ahhh |
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| 13:30.09 | abrotman | slump: likely fakeraid |
| 13:30.15 | Nyle | themill: I have a board on which I run sid at work, integrated gb eth |
| 13:30.18 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 13:30.19 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 13:30.28 | Nyle | themill: I usually get confused sometimes, nm |
| 13:30.35 | abrotman | slump: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#adaptec-fakeraid |
| 13:30.39 | zea_ | hello. what's the debian policy on versions in the stable releases? are updates only security-wise or are there actually version upgrades? |
| 13:30.52 | abrotman | zea_: mostly security .. some RC bugs |
| 13:31.22 | slump | abrotman: what you mean as fake raid? |
| 13:31.28 | slump | the board doesn't do raid? |
| 13:31.32 | abrotman | not really |
| 13:31.40 | stew | zea_: no version upgrades. security patches, and patches to fix things that security patches break, generally |
| 13:31.50 | Eulex | zea_, if the updates had been version upgrades, it wouldn't have been stable anymore. |
| 13:32.30 | themill | mmc: yes, and I believe that's been noted as a bug and is even fixed in a newer version of the package. Please check in the bts to see if that's the case and file a bug if not. |
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| 13:33.06 | slump | abrotman: but why it shows up my raid on adaptec bios and on linux it shows both harddisks instead of the logical one? |
| 13:33.09 | themill | mmc: but did the quotes thing fix it for you? (or can you use origin instead?) |
| 13:33.20 | abrotman | zea_: sample http://times.debian.net/1161-etch-r1 |
| 13:33.33 | stew | slump: becuase it isn't really a raid card. its just a sata card that lets you configure a software raid layout in the bios |
| 13:33.35 | abrotman | slump: because it's not real raid |
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| 13:34.15 | stew | slump: you can possibly make use of this software configuration by using linux software raid and dmraid (/msg dpkg dmraid) |
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| 13:36.32 | zea_ | Eulex: that's arguable. :) but true, in scope of the debian policy |
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| 13:37.31 | GuHHH | abrotman, stew: http://paste.debian.net/38846 |
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| 13:37.47 | Eulex | zea_, that's not arguable, if you just bring in new versions of software those will not be as tested as the versions already in stable. |
| 13:37.53 | abrotman | eth0:1 has no gateway |
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| 13:38.12 | stew | GuHHH: which isn't coming up? eth0:1? |
| 13:38.34 | stew | eth0:1 should probably not have a gateway |
| 13:40.13 | GuHHH | stew: yes |
| 13:40.13 | stew | GuHHH: i would instead not use eth0:1 but add a second ip to eth0 AFTER it is configured by dhcp, i'd do this by making sure iproute was installed, then adding "up ip addr add 192.168.100.150/24" as the last line of eth0 and get rid of eth0:1 completely |
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| 13:40.33 | ezguy | hi, i got this error message "FUCK: idt-table-read-failed" when attend to run any commands. any ideas? |
| 13:40.37 | maxamillion | any recomendations for a cli email client that i can use with a smtp mail server? |
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| 13:41.34 | GuHHH | stew: i guess gw isnt the problem... since it works... it just doesnt works when i start up my system ;/ |
| 13:41.36 | abrotman | mutt ? |
| 13:41.44 | petemc | mutt needs to use local sendmail |
| 13:41.58 | abrotman | really? that seems .. stupid |
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| 13:42.14 | petemc | pine talks smtp, but seems to not support doing so to anything other than localhost |
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| 13:42.31 | azeem | *that* seems stupid |
| 13:42.34 | petemc | yes |
| 13:42.59 | azeem | anyway, if you know mutt, you probably also know how to setup exim4+smarthost |
| 13:43.00 | abrotman | alpine any better ? |
| 13:43.09 | azeem | otherwise, use gmail or thunderbird |
| 13:43.14 | azeem | eh, icedove? |
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| 13:43.25 | Cr3iKon | gmail |
| 13:43.25 | stew | ezguy: your machine has a rootkit, i'd recommend reinstalling it |
| 13:43.52 | stew | GuHHH: no, gateway isn't the problem. the problem is that eth0:1 can't be brought up until after eth0 is brought up |
| 13:44.26 | ezguy | stew: how can tell for sure if it has been rootkit? and can it be removed? |
| 13:44.49 | stew | ezguy: google for 'suckit rootkit' |
| 13:45.00 | ezguy | stew: i did |
| 13:45.13 | GuHHH | stew: yes, sure...but its set after, isnt it? :P |
| 13:45.56 | Dave2 | Once you've been rootkitted, you can't really trust the system. |
| 13:46.04 | stew | GuHHH: i don't think so, since brining up an interface via dhcp takes time. i don't know that it waits for that to complete before trying to bring up eth0:1 |
| 13:46.18 | ezguy | stew: it that why i have been getting "unable allocate memory" and "open /dev/kmem" when evern i run a cmd becuase of the rootkit? |
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| 13:46.39 | stew | ezguy: probably |
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| 13:47.32 | GuHHH | stew: maybe its because my auto eth0:1 was before the interface config? |
| 13:48.00 | stew | GuHHH: i dont' think so |
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| 13:48.46 | stew | GuHHH: i dunno, maybe. the method i proposed will work as long as dhcp works |
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| 13:49.14 | asmarin | i migrate my w2k server to etch |
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| 13:49.45 | asmarin | I need to redirect from apache to old IIS because i need some .asp files |
| 13:49.56 | asmarin | how i can redirect all .asp links from apache to IIS? |
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| 13:50.50 | themill | asmarin: look at the docs on mod_rewrite on httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2 |
| 13:50.51 | NelsonFx | asmarin, use mod rewrite with mod proxy |
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| 13:51.06 | asmarin | why modproxy? |
| 13:51.07 | lrp | hello im having a big trouble installing debian in a server dell pro, rack server , when he boots the bios sayd no operative system found |
| 13:51.12 | lrp | any dieas why is that ? |
| 13:51.15 | asmarin | i have some problems with proxy on past |
| 13:51.18 | NelsonFx | asmarin, yes |
| 13:51.18 | lrp | i have there 2 hard drives |
| 13:51.34 | NelsonFx | asmarin, modproxy it's for transparent redirection |
| 13:51.39 | NelsonFx | asmarin, i mean |
| 13:51.45 | asmarin | uhmm |
| 13:51.47 | lrp | sci and one sata , i installed debian amd64 in the server but the bios said nbo operative sistem found |
| 13:51.50 | asmarin | well |
| 13:52.17 | lrp | any ideas why is that ? |
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| 13:57.39 | NelsonFx | asmarin, when someone(or something) access to a asp page, you can redirect them to the right server |
| 13:57.47 | asmarin | yeah |
| 13:57.52 | NelsonFx | asmarin, and with mod_proxy |
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| 13:58.38 | xand | asmarin: redirect how? are both machines publicly visable? |
| 13:58.44 | NelsonFx | asmarin, you can proxy the page through apache to the real server, without modify the url |
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| 13:59.01 | NelsonFx | xand, that's important too |
| 13:59.09 | asmarin | i dont need to use same url |
| 13:59.21 | asmarin | i only wants to redirect .asp from apache to IIS server |
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| 13:59.30 | xand | you can get apache to redirect based on url |
| 14:00.02 | NelsonFx | asmarin, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_rewrite.html |
| 14:00.32 | asmarin | ok |
| 14:00.37 | asmarin | something like this? |
| 14:00.49 | asmarin | RedirectMatch 301 (.*)\.asp$ http://www.newdomain.com/$ |
| 14:01.27 | asmarin | uhmm now redirect but incorrect url |
| 14:01.32 | asmarin | usign redirectmatch |
| 14:02.08 | themill | asmarin: add a $1.asp to the end of that |
| 14:02.21 | asmarin | ok |
| 14:03.04 | ezguy | stew: does knoppix livecd comes with chkrootkit? |
| 14:03.18 | asmarin | themill: thanks a lot! :-D |
| 14:03.19 | asmarin | runs! |
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| 14:04.06 | themill | asmarin: :) |
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| 14:04.31 | asmarin | well...i dont remember last time irc chat help me to solve a problem ;-) |
| 14:04.50 | asmarin | thanks to all! a good Friday yeah :-D |
| 14:05.40 | asmarin | :-DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
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| 14:08.47 | wumans | Hi all, I found a book about debian on amazon, but I dunno if i need to be a student to buy a computer related book |
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| 14:09.58 | petemc | wumans: is that a question? |
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| 14:11.28 | wumans | petemc, I dunno if computer book are reserved for student and professional like cops books |
| 14:11.54 | petemc | thats preposterous |
| 14:12.00 | _prsr_ | they aren't unless you live in a rather weird country :P |
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| 14:12.26 | wumans | In canada there is a law about it |
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| 14:12.46 | petemc | i find that hard to believe |
| 14:13.06 | Noborusan | apt is very slow from downloading linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch3 [16.3MB] |
| 14:13.25 | asmarin | noborusan; change mirror |
| 14:13.27 | Noborusan | if i would do it by using http then transfer it to my server,shalli dl this one |
| 14:13.38 | Noborusan | linux-image-2.6.18-5-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch3_i386.deb ? |
| 14:14.27 | Noborusan | the correct one ? |
| 14:14.30 | _prsr_ | if a book isn't supposed to be read by everyone i doubt those books would be available in bookstores at all, but i don't live in canada |
| 14:15.55 | wumans | _prsr_ well, the book can be in a bookstore but we need to present a student card ( i suppose ) |
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| 14:18.58 | rgsteele | Hm... does the latest Etch installer support RAID10 right off the bat? Or am I kind of stuck doing RAID1 during the install, and then using mdadm to apply RAID0 on top of the RAID1? |
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| 14:20.51 | mjung | An easy question: is network-manager included in stable and if yes, is it enabled by default like in Fedora core or Ubuntu? |
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| 14:21.11 | Kartoffelsalat | does a cron or many cronjobs consumpt much ressouces? |
| 14:21.26 | themill | mjung: gnome and kde will drag it in by default |
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| 14:23.15 | mjung | themill: thanks. I just have debian stable on my servers, so I did not know. |
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| 14:24.56 | agent | I am trying to decide between 3 eBook formats: Adobe Reader, MobiPocket and Microsoft Reader. Which is best for GNU/Linux? I take it MS is out, never heard of MobiPocket, and is Adobe Ebook just a regular PDF? Can such pdfs have restricted DRM? |
| 14:25.14 | vlt | Hello. What's the name of the tool I can shrink a file system (ext3)? |
| 14:25.21 | vlt | ... with |
| 14:26.39 | Kartoffelsalat | vlt: parted? |
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| 14:27.18 | vlt | vlt: found it: resize2fs |
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| 14:27.26 | Kartoffelsalat | agent: MobiPocket reader? funny, but i thought they are for mobiles (moby files are only limited html) |
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| 14:29.25 | agent | Kartoffelsalat: So I take it that MobiPocket cannot have any restrictive DRM and can be converted to other formats, such as ps, pdf, etc. since HTML documents can do that? Or am I wrong? |
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| 14:30.15 | Silvia | hi all... |
| 14:30.17 | Kartoffelsalat | agent: converting should work from Mobi, but mobys html is too limited. i would use something with fdf/pdf, cause you can convert it |
| 14:30.41 | Silvia | i am trying to start a image qemu, and i have an strange error: http://paste.debian.net/38849 . |
| 14:30.42 | Silvia | i do not why it is asking me for '/dev/fb0' and '/dev/fb/0' failed |
| 14:30.49 | Silvia | there is no floppy |
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| 14:31.33 | agent | Kartoffelsalat: Actually, I want to buy an eBook - I will not be making one. |
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| 14:33.06 | Kartoffelsalat | agent: i would buy the pdf one, because pdf is the widespreadest format... but i have no idea about rdm in ebooks. sry |
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| 14:34.14 | agent | Silvia: break that apart, start the image by itself without all that fancy network, etc. stuff... see what is causing it... did you compile qemu or use the official deb packages? |
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| 14:34.16 | Kartoffelsalat | agent: this moby thing is... i do not know, but it is only good when you want to read onyour mobile device. it would be possible to convert the pdf file into html and rename this html file into .moby (i think moby was the extension) |
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| 14:34.48 | Silvia | agent, i compile just kqemu. |
| 14:34.54 | Silvia | *compiled |
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| 14:35.16 | Silvia | form qemu i used debian package |
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| 14:35.59 | abrotman | Silvia: this is on a remote system ? |
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| 14:36.12 | Silvia | agent, root@servidor:/home/qemu/# qemu -hda debian.img -boot c -m 300 it shows me the same error |
| 14:36.19 | Silvia | abrotman, yes it is. |
| 14:36.37 | abrotman | Silvia: yeah .. it's trying to display that over your ssh session .. SDL doesn't work that way .. pass it the vnc option |
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| 14:37.04 | Silvia | abrotman, ssh -X ?? |
| 14:37.14 | abrotman | i've always used the vnc option |
| 14:37.22 | Silvia | i never |
| 14:37.23 | abrotman | though i did install a win2k via the ncurses interface |
| 14:37.26 | Silvia | how is it? |
| 14:37.40 | abrotman | Silvia: you just need a vnc client .. you then attach to the port it's listening on |
| 14:37.46 | agent | Silvia: It is not a good idea to run it as root. |
| 14:37.47 | abrotman | starts at 5900 IIRC |
| 14:38.05 | Silvia | agent, it is only just for tests |
| 14:38.15 | Silvia | abrotman, server is a debian without X |
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| 14:38.30 | abrotman | Silvia: doesn't matter .. pass it the vnc option .. then connect to it with a vnc client |
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| 14:38.54 | Silvia | abrotman, i do not undrestand you sorry |
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| 14:39.08 | abrotman | qemu --help .. look for the vnc option |
| 14:39.21 | Silvia | ops |
| 14:39.35 | abrotman | -vnc 0:0 |
| 14:39.36 | abrotman | like that |
| 14:39.51 | abrotman | then use your vnc client to connect to host::5900 |
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| 14:40.40 | Silvia | abrotman, no ssh ?? |
| 14:40.48 | abrotman | tightvnc and ultravnc work from windows |
| 14:40.55 | Silvia | i have never seent that |
| 14:40.57 | abrotman | Silvia: from your ssh prompt .. type this |
| 14:41.12 | abrotman | qemu -hda debian.img -boot c -cdrom /dev/cdrom -net nic,vlan=0 -net tap,vlan=0,ifname=tap0 -m 300 -localtime -vnc 0:0 |
| 14:41.17 | abrotman | then connect to the vnc session |
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| 14:41.24 | Silvia | abrotman, my pc is a debian. My server is a debian too |
| 14:41.36 | abrotman | Silvia: okay .. then use a vnc client in debian to connect to it |
| 14:41.49 | abrotman | you can try with ssh -X too .. but i've not done that |
| 14:42.02 | Greyscale | How do I enable Apache2's modrewrite? |
| 14:42.03 | abrotman | anyways .. you have enough to get you going |
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| 14:43.48 | Silvia | abrotman, but, what ip i use for vnc connection?? |
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| 14:44.01 | Silvia | abrotman, sorry, but i am a bit confused |
| 14:44.18 | abrotman | use the server IP |
| 14:44.51 | Greyscale | !mod_rewrite |
| 14:45.14 | nkuttler | Greyscale: a2enmod? |
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| 14:45.44 | Greyscale | ding ding, thanks |
| 14:45.47 | Risjh | hi |
| 14:45.53 | tatoo | hi all |
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| 14:47.32 | tabularasa | is there a way to list all users's UIDs at the same time ? |
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| 14:47.49 | Risjh | can someone help me? i just tried installing debian using the netinst cd, the instalation went fine, and it asked me where to install grub onto, i just chose the defaults, and then when i restarted the system i get the error, "error loading operating system" its a dell laptop, i had/have Windows installed on one partition on the hard disk. |
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| 14:47.56 | Silvia | abrotman, i do not unserestand how i can connect throught vnc to a server without X |
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| 14:50.45 | vnWrK | tabularasa: well...cat /etc/passwd ? if you rly want just the user and his uid, use a pipe to cut |
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| 14:51.19 | Risjh | anyone? |
| 14:51.32 | Risjh | i think its the bootloader error |
| 14:51.34 | tabularasa | vnWrK: well, they are ldap users |
| 14:51.42 | Risjh | it might not have installed where it should be |
| 14:51.43 | tabularasa | i can do an id -u username and it will show it |
| 14:51.45 | Risjh | but i am not sure |
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| 14:53.47 | fasta | Why are plugins in browsers always so slow? E.g. starting complete totem goes faster than starting it in a plugin. |
| 14:54.21 | lrp | hey any ideas abotu fix my boot loader (RAID disks) |
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| 14:55.51 | themill | lrp: don't ask over here while people are helping you over in oftc. |
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| 14:56.15 | RvGaTe^work | themill, hehe, owned.. |
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| 14:56.27 | mooper | !pdf |
| 14:56.27 | dpkg | hmm... pdf is Pretty Dumb Format, or the Portable Document Format created by Adobe to replace PS for use with Acrobat or viewable with xpdf/kpdf/gpdf/evince, adobe reader (free download, but closed source) or gv/gnome-gv. use ps.gz instead! |
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| 14:58.30 | Risjh | !mbr |
| 14:58.30 | dpkg | hmm... mbr is the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda" |
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| 14:59.15 | xand | I have a debian machine (my router) with several network interfaces, one of which I have set to be the route to a external network. If I try to connect to the machine from the external via the other interface, it doesn't work, presumably because it's not the route for the external network (and the machine is trying to communication using the other interface)... is it possible to make this work without removing that default route? |
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| 15:01.42 | fasta | dondelelcaro: why would anyone use ps instead of pdf? ps files are not searchable for example(and if they are applications don't support it) |
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| 15:04.08 | thejk | Hallo. Könnt ihr mir helfen? |
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| 15:04.16 | themill | !de |
| 15:04.16 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, freenode or irc.belwue.de) |
| 15:04.32 | thejk | danke thank you |
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| 15:05.13 | tabularasa | guess i could use ldapsearch |
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| 15:06.26 | abrotman | Silvia: just try it |
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| 15:08.15 | Silvia | abrotman, i have no display |
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| 15:08.30 | Silvia | abrotman, root@servidor:~/# echo $DISPLAY |
| 15:08.30 | Silvia | root@servidor:~/# |
| 15:08.40 | abrotman | Silvia: on your workstation you ahve no display ? |
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| 15:08.54 | Silvia | abrotman, on my server |
| 15:09.05 | abrotman | Silvia: i already told you it doesn't matter |
| 15:09.06 | Silvia | i do ssh -X user@host |
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| 15:09.43 | Silvia | abrotman, i used gnome remotedesktop to connect, but itfails |
| 15:09.51 | abrotman | remotedesktop is not vnc |
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| 15:10.37 | Silvia | aps |
| 15:10.42 | Sashi | question |
| 15:10.52 | Sashi | does debian read NTFS hdds by default? |
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| 15:11.19 | Sashi | or will you have to edit the fstab? |
| 15:11.30 | vnWrK | indeed |
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| 15:11.49 | vnWrK | Sashi: well just mount... |
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| 15:13.01 | infernix | i'm trying to increase the open files limit from 1024 to 10000 by editing /etc/security/limits.conf and adding "* soft nofiles 10000" but this isn't being applied after i re-login. what do i need to restart or run to parse the new limit? |
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| 15:13.39 | infernix | err |
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| 15:14.13 | Silvia | abrotman, i did it. i can see it |
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| 15:14.22 | abrotman | okay .. good |
| 15:15.01 | Silvia | abrotman, now, problem are wellcome |
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| 15:15.13 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 15:16.03 | Silvia | abrotman, i am trying to get my host qemu with inet acces. |
| 15:16.19 | abrotman | Silvia: that's a totally different problem |
| 15:16.28 | abrotman | have you read any of the qemu docs ? |
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| 15:16.54 | infernix | grr |
| 15:16.56 | Silvia | abrotman, in my dsktop, i have a qemu working perfect. But, playing with virtual ethernet, bridge.... i have risk to loose connection |
| 15:16.59 | Silvia | abrotman, i do |
| 15:17.02 | infernix | why is limits.conf being ignored |
| 15:17.26 | abrotman | Silvia: you're going to have to read more about bridging and qemu |
| 15:17.35 | abrotman | google "bridge qemu debian" |
| 15:17.42 | Silvia | jeje |
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| 15:19.15 | Risjh | hi |
| 15:19.22 | Noborusan | night guys. |
| 15:19.28 | Risjh | how do i reinstall grub from the netinst cd, please help |
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| 15:19.51 | Noborusan | Debian Rocks,my server runs debian very smoothly. all customers are satisfied. |
| 15:20.06 | Noborusan | good night and thanks for helping. |
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| 15:21.24 | vasuvi | The stable and testing boot CD's won't boot on my new motherboard; are there any unstable CD's or floppies (with the very latest in kernels) out there? |
| 15:21.40 | Risjh | !reinstall grub |
| 15:21.44 | Risjh | !grub |
| 15:21.44 | dpkg | methinks grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with XFS, or ask me about <grub dvorak>. |
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| 15:23.57 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 15:25.57 | chinasky | hello, this message: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000... |
| 15:26.22 | chinasky | is a system error or a problem o kde 3.5.7? |
| 15:26.27 | chinasky | thanks!! |
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| 15:28.39 | sam_uk | Hi I am trying to load a rt61pci wireless card, the module is installed but appears inactive. can anyone help? |
| 15:29.11 | irule | how can I upgrade samba to the latest? |
| 15:29.31 | wols_ | sam_uk: firmware is needed |
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| 15:29.46 | sam_uk | from? |
| 15:29.59 | wols_ | from ralink |
| 15:30.15 | wols_ | maybe you should read the docs from the driver package you installed |
| 15:30.36 | wols_ | !tell vasuvi about kmuto |
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| 15:31.43 | sam_uk | i have just started helping someone with this- which driver package do you mean plese? |
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| 15:32.03 | vega| | I downloaded vmware image of Debian Server 4.0 |
| 15:32.08 | vega| | It has no GUI interface |
| 15:32.09 | vega| | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:32.19 | wols_ | sam_uk: apt-cache search ralink |
| 15:32.24 | vega| | Anybody configured GUI interface in VMWare image of Debian ? |
| 15:32.37 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 15:32.37 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask the vendor for support, or ask here: #vmware on irc.freenode.net |
| 15:32.41 | wols_ | vega|: just install xorg |
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| 15:32.48 | vega| | Yep |
| 15:32.56 | vega| | Oh |
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| 15:35.27 | vega| | Thanx |
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| 15:37.32 | vasuvi | Thanks wols_! That could work (I'm also looking into a chroot install) |
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| 15:40.40 | pansen11 | hi, how can i manually enter the screen blanking/powersaving mode for my monitor when i'm in console only? |
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| 15:41.20 | themill | !screen blanking |
| 15:41.21 | dpkg | i heard screen blanking is you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. |
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| 15:45.33 | DeathGauge | had to leave suddenly.....what was the command in order to be able to use my newly installed KDE (aptitude install kde)..have it installed but can't pick it from the sessions(prefer it as my default) |
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| 15:46.38 | sam_uk | sorry I still do not understand which manpage should i read? |
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| 15:47.54 | themill | !tell RB2 about chat as root |
| 15:48.22 | DeathGauge | ....quiet....too quiet |
| 15:48.37 | themill | DeathGauge: come back on sunday... |
| 15:48.49 | Risjh | i tried the rescue mode, and reached to the stage where i got the prompt, but then typing "grub" i get the error, Error openining terminal: bterm |
| 15:49.02 | Risjh | what should i do? |
| 15:49.06 | DeathGauge | heh was starting to wonder if there was a mandatory nap going on or something |
| 15:49.10 | Risjh | i want to reinstall grub, i have the netinst cd with me |
| 15:49.13 | Risjh | please help |
| 15:49.47 | nkuttler | sam_uk: if you need to load firmware that's probably documented on the driver website or in the source. |
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| 15:51.16 | vasuvi | Risjh: The easiest way I know of to do it is to burn a Knoppix live CD (or Gentoo install CD if you want just want the CLI), chroot and reinstall grub from there |
| 15:51.27 | themill | Risjh: http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
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| 15:51.31 | DeathGauge | back to what I was saying....I did aptitude install kde and rebooted but it didn't add it to my sessions to pick from (only have Gnome, Metacity, and TWM)...had to leave so I didn't get the commands to configure it to make KDE register with the sessions so I can make it my default desktop |
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| 15:51.46 | Risjh | vasuvi, i have a ubuntu live cd with me, will it help? |
| 15:51.53 | Risjh | thanks themill checking |
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| 15:52.08 | vasuvi | Risjh: Yup, that should do it. Anything that allows you to go into a root terminal |
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| 15:52.29 | themill | Risjh: also http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html |
| 15:52.37 | vasuvi | Risjh: Are you familiar with how to chroot? |
| 15:52.59 | Risjh | vasuvi, yes i think |
| 15:53.09 | Risjh | thanks themill |
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| 15:53.39 | vasuvi | Risjh: ok, then chroot to your Debian partition, and I usually just do root (hdx) install (hdx) from grub, but you could also use grub-install, whatever you want once you're there |
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| 15:55.24 | Risjh | vasuvi, ok thanks, trying |
| 15:55.48 | vasuvi | Risjh: You might have to copy over mtab and mount proc first (not sure); if so, Gentoo has excellent documentation as to how to do so: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html |
| 15:55.58 | vasuvi | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10 I mean |
| 15:56.45 | vasuvi | ( http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=6 for how to mount proc and dev in the chroot) |
| 15:57.12 | Risjh | ok thanks looking into that too |
| 15:57.27 | vasuvi | np; sometimes it helps being familiar with lots of distros ;) |
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| 15:58.15 | penguin | What is the command to pull an iso file from a cd? |
| 15:58.32 | xand | dd |
| 15:58.42 | xand | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/blah/file.iso |
| 15:58.45 | Risjh | vasuvi, i think i reinstalled grub from the rescue mode, but now when the pc boots up i reach to the grub prompt what next? |
| 15:58.54 | xand | penguin: dont mount it first |
| 15:59.03 | penguin | Thank you |
| 15:59.11 | vasuvi | Risjh: What else is the problem? I thought that the problem was simply that you had to reinstall GRUB |
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| 15:59.31 | vasuvi | Risjh: Was your grub.conf wiped? |
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| 16:00.18 | Risjh | vasuvi, actually the problem was that i had windows on the disk, and was installing debian. But when i rebooted i got the error, Cannot open operating system or somehting similar, It was due to grub not being install and win acting crazy |
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| 16:00.38 | Risjh | so i reinstalled grub, and i think that might be the problem, the conf file mustve been wiped :( |
| 16:00.52 | penguin | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/storage/office07.iso |
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| 16:02.24 | Risjh | vasuvi, what should i be doing now? |
| 16:02.25 | penguin | You have to run that command as root? |
| 16:02.25 | vasuvi | Risjh: Hmm; here's where somebody with more specifically Debian expertise might be able to help. I'd guess a debian-reconfigure on grub in the chroot might work, but at this point, if it were me, I might just manually create a GRUB |
| 16:02.38 | vasuvi | configuration file |
| 16:02.57 | Risjh | hmm |
| 16:03.08 | penguin | :/home/penguin$ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/storage/office07.iso |
| 16:03.08 | penguin | dd: opening `/dev/cdrom': Permission denied |
| 16:03.09 | vasuvi | Anyone else in here know a way to make Debian regenerate a grub.conf file? |
| 16:03.56 | zoredache | penguin: do a 'adduser username cdrom' replace username, with your username |
| 16:04.13 | vasuvi | (If you go the manual route, you don't have to be fancy; just a root (hdx,y), kernel /path/to/kernel root=/dev/hdx ro, initrd=/path/to/initrd (if applicable)) |
| 16:04.16 | zoredache | then try again |
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| 16:05.11 | Risjh | hmm |
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| 16:07.42 | penguin | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/storage/office07.iso |
| 16:07.43 | penguin | dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error |
| 16:07.48 | penguin | Doesnt work as root. |
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| 16:10.34 | vasuvi | Risjh: If you want something to work from, here's menu.lst (the old name for grub.conf) from my old Debian partition: http://pastebin.ca/726898 |
| 16:10.42 | penguin | No one knows how to pull an iso off a cdrom? |
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| 16:11.12 | Risjh | thanks vasuvi :) |
| 16:11.18 | vasuvi | penguin: Do you have k3b installed? |
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| 16:11.23 | vasuvi | Risjh: np :) |
| 16:11.34 | infinity0 | uh i got a question |
| 16:11.38 | infinity0 | i've just upgraded to lenny |
| 16:11.40 | penguin | There is a simple bash command |
| 16:12.07 | vasuvi | penguin: Sorry, I don't know how to do it from the command-line |
| 16:12.16 | infinity0 | lock screen no longer works... it puts me on screensaver but when i move the mouse, the screensaver exits and i can see my pointer but there is no "password" box, it's just a black screen apart frmo that |
| 16:12.20 | vasuvi | penguin: (Though I do not doubt it is possible) |
| 16:12.21 | Buganini | has anyone used chntpw on amd64 machine? there is -m32 in the CFLAGS in the source, causing linker error on amd64 machine. I saw there is amd64 package for debian, is it safe to remove -m32? |
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| 16:12.48 | penguin | I have Gnome |
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| 16:13.15 | vasuvi | penguin: Perhaps Nautilus or Brasero could do it |
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| 16:14.09 | NetLSD | anyone know what the deal is when I try to compile torsmo and get a bunch of error lines from its x11.c |
| 16:14.13 | Tallu | penguin: tried pointing it to actual /dev/hdb or something? I dont see why it wouldnt work |
| 16:14.20 | NetLSD | I'm certain I have most of the -dev packages installed |
| 16:14.32 | user__ | is there anything in this how-to that is incorrect for etch? http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-install-and-configure-dlink-dwl-g-520-wireless-lan-pci-card.html I have followed it to the letter but the module does not load |
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| 16:15.06 | sipher | Hi, I have a MegaRADI IDE controller in an IBM blade server. I create the RAID1 everything goes fine....but during the installation ...it appears as 2 seperate drives regardless of the RAID1 configuration. |
| 16:15.08 | sipher | any ideaS? |
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| 16:17.41 | infinity0 | lock screen no longer works... it puts me on screensaver but when i move the mouse, the screensaver exits and i can see my pointer but there is no "password" box, it's just a black screen apart frmo that |
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| 16:18.03 | penguin | dd if=/dev/hdc of=/storage/office07.iso |
| 16:18.03 | penguin | dd: reading `/dev/hdc': Input/output error |
| 16:18.03 | penguin | 1248+0 records in |
| 16:18.03 | penguin | 1248+0 records out |
| 16:18.03 | penguin | 638976 bytes (639 kB) copied, 6.31332 seconds, 101 kB/s |
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| 16:18.37 | penguin | dd if=/dev/hdc of=/storage/office07.iso |
| 16:18.37 | penguin | dd: reading `/dev/hdc': Input/output error |
| 16:18.49 | EbilPhish | Is initrd needed in Debian or can i roll my own kernel without bothering with it? |
| 16:19.24 | ix | EbilPhish: the latter. |
| 16:19.35 | EbilPhish | ta |
| 16:19.53 | ix | as long as you compile all the modules you need to boot the system into the kernel, that is. |
| 16:20.19 | EbilPhish | yeh |
| 16:20.34 | ix | err... s/modules/drivers/ |
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| 16:21.28 | Risjh | vasuvi, done ! thanks a lot :) |
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| 16:24.25 | kronk2002de | hi |
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| 16:25.14 | kronk2002de | i have a little problem with my php installation |
| 16:25.38 | kronk2002de | it is quite slow, an php -i needs 1min and 5 seconds to run |
| 16:25.43 | kronk2002de | dows anybody know this problem? |
| 16:26.25 | kronk2002de | ahh, i run an debian 4.0 64bit |
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| 16:28.22 | pocukrani | hello, i have installed bind9 and now i get this error: http://paste.debian.net/38871 ; can somebody help me? |
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| 16:31.10 | penguin | mkisofs is the command |
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| 16:32.26 | vasuvi | Risjh: Glad you got it working! :) |
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| 16:35.36 | spradnyesh | hello |
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| 16:35.49 | spradnyesh | i've got debian testing installed on my compaq nc6400 laptop |
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| 16:35.57 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 16:36.07 | Ace2016 | i install debian etch :D |
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| 16:36.15 | Ace2016 | but i'm having problems with my network :( |
| 16:36.21 | spradnyesh | it has a ipw3945 wireless card |
| 16:36.24 | Ace2016 | (in vista at the mo) |
| 16:36.29 | spradnyesh | i installed the driver |
| 16:36.30 | Scurz | Ace2016: explain |
| 16:36.50 | spradnyesh | but i still can't see the wireless interface in ifconfig :( |
| 16:36.55 | Ace2016 | it can't detect the mac code of the hardware so it comes up with a ramdom one on reboot, but the network detects a mac to authenticate a pc on a netwrok |
| 16:36.59 | Ace2016 | so i'm kind of stuck |
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| 16:37.04 | spradnyesh | i see the module loaded in lsmod |
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| 16:37.07 | spradnyesh | can anyone help? |
| 16:37.19 | NetLSD | it's not wireless by any chance is it |
| 16:37.20 | Ace2016 | i managed to set the mac code but then the dns servers are wrong |
| 16:37.52 | hark | spradnyesh: did you follow the instructions given earlier? |
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| 16:38.51 | Ace2016 | either the dns stops working or the mac code stops changes or something |
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| 16:38.59 | Ace2016 | so can anyone help me troubleshoot |
| 16:38.59 | dotCOMmie | how do I go about chaning the system-wide PATH? /etc/profile seems to only affect user. |
| 16:40.07 | Ace2016 | modify bashrc? |
| 16:40.54 | spradnyesh | hi hark |
| 16:41.11 | dotCOMmie | Ace2016: I want it to be system-wide |
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| 16:41.23 | spradnyesh | the instructions given earlier to me were to pastebin ouput of lspci |
| 16:41.26 | spradnyesh | and i had done that |
| 16:41.31 | hark | spradnyesh: the "/msg dpkg ipw3945" thing |
| 16:41.50 | spradnyesh | although, now i have also installed the driver (ipw3945) |
| 16:41.58 | spradnyesh | and i do see it in lsmod |
| 16:42.13 | hark | spradnyesh: did you install the firmware as well? |
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| 16:42.44 | spradnyesh | hark: i'll check |
| 16:43.07 | spradnyesh | hark: no i had not, i'll do that |
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| 16:45.04 | Ace2016 | How do i stop network-manager updating my dns? |
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| 16:45.43 | Ace2016 | uninstalling network-manager is not an option, i tried it and the network stopped working, so it is not an option |
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| 16:46.23 | valdyn | Ace2016: sure it's an option |
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| 16:46.58 | spradnyesh | hark: i installed firmware and ipw3945d |
| 16:47.12 | valdyn | Ace2016: if you do not use network-manager then you need to configure your interface in /etc/network/interfaces or if its already there, run something like 'ifup eth0' |
| 16:47.15 | spradnyesh | when i tried to run ipw3945d as root, it gave me the following error: |
| 16:47.24 | spradnyesh | ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection |
| 16:47.32 | DawnLight[ | a konsole terminal has been closed while a process was running in it. the process is still running. can i get to that process? |
| 16:47.36 | Ace2016 | i tried for hours to get the netwrok to even get me to the network registration page and nothing worked |
| 16:48.07 | Ace2016 | i know there is some script that is creating a new /etc/resolv.conf every few minutes, i need to comment parts out of that |
| 16:48.25 | valdyn | Ace2016: if you need hours to configure /etc/network/interfaces then you should probably stick to n-m |
| 16:48.48 | Ace2016 | where can i find a default config |
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| 16:49.01 | hark | spradnyesh: modprobe -r ipw3945 && modprobe ipw3945 |
| 16:49.20 | valdyn | Ace2016: isn't one in it? |
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| 16:49.36 | valdyn | !interfaces |
| 16:49.36 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 16:49.37 | Ace2016 | i wasn't configuring /etc/network/interfaces, it was already there and the netwrok was wroking so why change it? |
| 16:50.16 | valdyn | Ace2016: you used n-m |
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| 16:50.53 | Ace2016 | so n-m configured it for me when it was working? i looked at it and it just said eth0 auto and nothing much else was there |
| 16:51.31 | spradnyesh | hark: i've done modprobe, now what? |
| 16:51.40 | spradnyesh | ifconfig still does not show me the interface :( |
| 16:51.58 | hark | spradnyesh: check with iwconfig |
| 16:51.59 | Ace2016 | ifconfig -a |
| 16:52.05 | valdyn | Ace2016: I'm a little confused as n-m only configures interfaces that are not in /etc/network/interfaces iirc |
| 16:52.14 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 16:52.21 | hark | spradnyesh: otherwise see dmesg |
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| 16:52.24 | Ace2016 | so thats why eth11 was not in the file |
| 16:52.38 | valdyn | Ace2016: you have a serious issue with your MAC too |
| 16:52.40 | Ace2016 | i thought it was just updating /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:52.46 | Ace2016 | yea its not detected |
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| 16:53.07 | valdyn | Ace2016: fix that or see.. |
| 16:53.10 | Ace2016 | the eth number also keeps going up, it started at eth1 and now its eth11 after the 11 restarts |
| 16:53.15 | valdyn | !z25 |
| 16:53.15 | dpkg | z25 is, like, as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
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| 16:53.24 | valdyn | Ace2016: read ^^^ |
| 16:53.39 | spradnyesh | hark: http://paste.debian.net/38876 |
| 16:53.41 | valdyn | Ace2016: that's why you are getting a new ethX on each reboot |
| 16:53.48 | spradnyesh | that's output of iwconfig |
| 16:53.49 | spradnyesh | now what? |
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| 16:54.49 | valdyn | !mac |
| 16:54.49 | dpkg | Apple Macintoshes are prime candidates for Debian installs, at least the m68k-based ones. or acceptable in many powerpc forms... Ask Peidran about that... or Most Applications Crash; If Not, The Operating System Hangs, or the hardware address of a network card, or the name of Apple computers. MAC, Media Access Control |
| 16:54.52 | Ace2016 | so its udev thats calling making it eth(n+1) on restart? |
| 16:54.54 | valdyn | !set the mac |
| 16:54.59 | Ace2016 | lol |
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| 16:55.07 | hark | spradnyesh: what does basename `readlink /sys/class/net/eth1/device/driver/module` say? |
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| 16:55.17 | Ace2016 | !mac code |
| 16:55.19 | Ace2016 | !maccode |
| 16:55.20 | valdyn | Ace2016: yea, udev is actually trying to make device names static, but your mac is broken so that's breaking too |
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| 16:55.31 | valdyn | Ace2016: see man ifconfig to set the mac |
| 16:55.33 | michael222 | hi to all |
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| 16:55.37 | spradnyesh | hark: it says ipw3945 :) |
| 16:55.42 | StephenConn | boo |
| 16:55.52 | StephenConn | my all time favorite channel. |
| 16:56.04 | Ace2016 | valdyn: yea i can set the mac fine, just the dns thats busted, and the eth numbers going up is stopping me from running a script that would reset the mac code to what it should be |
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| 16:56.07 | michael222 | when i try to compile gtk engine i get : configure: error: cannot run /bin/bash ./config.sub |
| 16:56.54 | hark | spradnyesh: ok, so it's done. now configure it according to your network :) |
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| 16:57.40 | dev-bin | hello |
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| 16:58.08 | spradnyesh | hark: thanks a million! |
| 16:58.29 | dev-bin | Im having some difficulty with screen resolutions. It defaults too a very high res... and when I lower it it locks up the desktop |
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| 16:58.33 | shigarame | michael222: try a 'make distclean' |
| 16:58.40 | Ace2016 | so if i just remove the two files then how will the network cards get named? will they show up if i get rid of the two files? |
| 16:58.52 | michael222 | this not works |
| 16:58.57 | michael222 | shigarame: |
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| 16:59.14 | michael222 | i get this when i try ./configure |
| 16:59.15 | Ace2016 | dev-bin: tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 16:59.25 | dev-bin | it defaults to 1280x1024 |
| 16:59.29 | dev-bin | I can do that |
| 16:59.36 | dev-bin | but I'll first mention |
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| 16:59.40 | penguin | I can read the cdrom but the command cat /dev/cdrom > file.iso will not work |
| 16:59.49 | penguin | Something is broken here with the system. |
| 16:59.54 | dev-bin | that I had to change the driver from "ati" to "vesa" so I could even get x to start |
| 17:00.44 | Ace2016 | is that how you make an iso file? to cat something? wow i never knew that woot! |
| 17:01.27 | shigarame | penguin: use dd |
| 17:01.38 | michael222 | shigarame can you help me? |
| 17:01.46 | penguin | that will not work either |
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| 17:02.59 | shigarame | michael222: /msg dpkg paster. point me to the output. |
| 17:03.12 | abrotman | penguin: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=blah.iso |
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| 17:03.38 | michael222 | configure: error: cannot run /bin/bash ./config.sub |
| 17:03.41 | michael222 | ok |
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| 17:05.48 | michael222 | http://pastebin.ca/726956 |
| 17:05.55 | penguin | Suddenly it worked for some reason |
| 17:06.06 | NetLSD | jeez what the crap, my wireless hub is right below me and I'm getting 28-35% quality lol |
| 17:06.16 | abrotman | antenna pointing the wrong way ? |
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| 17:06.25 | shigarame | penguin: it's magic |
| 17:06.26 | NetLSD | it has that wierd round antana on the hub |
| 17:06.31 | penguin | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/dir/office97.iso |
| 17:06.34 | Ace2016 | So anyone know the file that causes /etc/resolv.conf to be updated? i need to make it use the open dns servers |
| 17:06.37 | NetLSD | it's normally above 55% |
| 17:06.37 | penguin | THe above command didnt work |
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| 17:06.41 | penguin | d if=/dev/cdrom of=office97.iso |
| 17:06.44 | penguin | this die |
| 17:06.45 | penguin | did |
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| 17:07.40 | NetLSD | oh how I remember using dd for floppies |
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| 17:08.32 | shigarame | michael222: how are you invoking configure? is your build directory "clean" ? |
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| 17:09.52 | jbm | it's all ball bearings these days! |
| 17:09.55 | michael222 | shigarame: ./configure |
| 17:09.57 | michael222 | it's clean |
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| 17:12.57 | xlotlu | looks like dhclient takes the interface down and brings it up again when the dhcp server is unresponsive (thus clearing my routing table).. any way to prevent that? |
| 17:13.41 | shigarame | michael222: what version is this you are trying to build? |
| 17:13.51 | michael222 | version? |
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| 17:13.59 | michael222 | it's a gtk2 engine of rezlook |
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| 17:14.19 | shigarame | michael222: where did you download? gtk.org/download ? |
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| 17:14.35 | abrotman | why does an engine require you to rebuild gtk ? |
| 17:14.44 | michael222 | not |
| 17:15.03 | zoredache | xlotlu: instead of trying to prevent it, I believe you could set dhclient to recreate the routes |
| 17:15.12 | StephenConn | GWB says my birthday is August 26, 1988 |
| 17:15.19 | StephenConn | isnt the nuts? yestday I was only 22 |
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| 17:16.05 | xlotlu | zoredache: using dhclient hooks, or any simpler way? |
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| 17:21.10 | bonez39 | I run ps ax | grep <app> to find apps that shouldn't be running. then I kill them...but if i run ps ax again, those same apps show in the list, albeit now 'defunct' or otherwise..how do I clear apps that are in the lsit? |
| 17:21.11 | bonez39 | lsit |
| 17:21.11 | bonez39 | list |
| 17:21.11 | solemnwarning | Can I configure iptables to have an x% chance of dropping a packet from a certain IP? |
| 17:21.35 | shigarame | solemnwarning: QoS might be able to do it |
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| 17:21.56 | solemnwarning | eep |
| 17:22.02 | jeward | I am upgrading a server from sarge to etch and it won't boot on the 2.6 kernel. It hangs after: Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 |
| 17:22.10 | dev-bin | how do I shutdown the desktop so I just have the command line screen running |
| 17:22.22 | jeward | I just tried booting it acpi=off, but no change. Any ideas? |
| 17:22.50 | nkuttler | dev-bin: /etc/init.d/?dm stop for doing it once |
| 17:22.58 | shigarame | dev-bin: switch to a virtual console |
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| 17:24.14 | dev-bin | very good. res problem mostly fixed. thanks a lot |
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| 17:25.48 | jeward | It's an IBM 330 server if that helps? |
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| 17:26.50 | keith4 | that made more sense in my head. for making network diagrams, is there a better tool than dia? |
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| 17:28.22 | jeward | Can anyone assist in getting an IBM 330 up on the etch kernel please? |
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| 17:30.12 | abrotman | jeward: did you turn of apic too ? |
| 17:30.29 | jeward | abrotman: I'll try that next. |
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| 17:31.29 | jeward | abrotman: It boots off the sarge 2.4 kernel, but niether 2.6 kernel I have. |
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| 17:31.49 | abrotman | you're going to have to try some options .. or give us an error |
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| 17:32.03 | jeward | abrotman: I have at least half a dozen of these things, so I hope we can make 2.6 work. |
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| 17:32.53 | dondelelcaro | aljaber: your ip was banned actually, and it was done mainly because of the connection problems you were having on 9/21; if they're resolved, and the ban is still there, /msg me or another op to remove it |
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| 17:33.40 | Juul | hi, I was wondering, how do I select the default alsa sound card that programs should use in etch? |
| 17:33.52 | Juul | is there a way of doing this through the GUI? (running gnome) |
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| 17:34.18 | keith4 | Juul: alsaconf might do it |
| 17:34.23 | jeward | Abrotman: This isn't the issue, is it: FATAL: Error inserting fan (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/fan.ko): No such device |
| 17:34.38 | jeward | abrotman: Since acpi=off? |
| 17:34.44 | abrotman | jeward: i thought you said it doesn't boot ? |
| 17:34.55 | jeward | It hangs. |
| 17:35.02 | jeward | Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 |
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| 17:35.24 | vasuvi | Juul: If you have more than one sound card, it is possible to use both and have the second used by default, but it is not trivial; you will have to edit text files (I did that on my old computer to use both my mobo sound and Sound Blaster) |
| 17:35.32 | jeward | abrotman: That's the last line. |
| 17:35.53 | jeward | abrotman: Though I do see two acpi errors like the one I pasted. |
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| 17:36.00 | zefab | Hi. Is there a way to re-enable the mpeg2video encoder with unstable ffmpeg debian package ? |
| 17:36.03 | abrotman | i thought you turned acpi off ? |
| 17:36.11 | jeward | abrotman: I did... |
| 17:36.12 | abrotman | acpi=off apic=noapic |
| 17:36.19 | vasuvi | Juul: Here's the same wiki page I used to do it way back when: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/MultipleCards |
| 17:36.21 | jeward | Oh, let me use those. |
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| 17:36.48 | _kaiser_ | hello, I am trying to install debian, and I booted from a USB flash drive, and the installer runs, but it cannot find the ISO image on the flash drive.. I can execute a shell and mount the flash drive, but when I leave the shell the flash drive gets unmounted...? |
| 17:36.50 | misreckoning | I can't suspend ... please help :) |
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| 17:36.55 | Juul | vasuvi, ok, i'm just thinking of people who use debian for their laptop and sometimes connect up a usb headset for voice-chat. isn't there a way of easily switching between sound-cards? i don't want to use more than one at a time |
| 17:37.18 | jonah1980 | hey is there anyone that can help me install a wifi driver. it's the legacy rt61 as one shipped doesnt work, it won't make for some reason |
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| 17:37.35 | Juul | i usually use "asoundconf set-default-card foo" |
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| 17:37.43 | Juul | but 1. that seems to be broken in etch |
| 17:37.57 | Juul | and 2. it'd be nice with a gui way of doing it |
| 17:37.58 | zefab | no one to talk about vlc and ffmpeg encoding ? |
| 17:38.00 | vasuvi | Juul: Ah, sorry. Not sure about that one. |
| 17:38.07 | jonah1980 | http://www.pastebin.ca/726994 |
| 17:38.33 | misreckoning | ah ok nevermind, but can somebody tell me how to get rid of the "brown" screen after Locking the screen or after waking from the blank screen - it is because of fglrx drivers - but is there a solution? |
| 17:38.34 | abrotman | jonah1980: ask #elive .. not us |
| 17:38.37 | keith4 | jonah1980: try module-assistant? |
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| 17:39.06 | keith4 | ah, elive. didn't catch that |
| 17:40.55 | jeward | abrotman: Okay, it got past the CDROM driver line, but is hanging on/after SCSI disk initialization. |
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| 17:41.11 | jeward | Last line: sd 0:0:1:0: Attached scsi disk sdb |
| 17:41.12 | jonah1980 | i know i got elive but someone once helped in here before, and i've been asking for 3 days in elive channel and no help at all. just thought if someone got how all this headers/source/symlinks stuff worked they might be kind enough to help me out anyway |
| 17:41.17 | h3sp4wn | Juul: That can work or you can add the one you don't want to grab index 0 to the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
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| 17:41.34 | abrotman | jonah1980: your kernel isn't provided by debian .. how could we possibly know what's wrong with it |
| 17:41.37 | h3sp4wn | (You will see the idea there is a few that are already there) |
| 17:42.25 | jonah1980 | abrotman, i'm sorry i didnt mean to offend anyone in here and i don't like being off topic, i'm just a desperate man who hasn't had his wifi for a while |
| 17:43.17 | jeward | abrotman: getting further: sd 0:0:1:0: Attached scsi disk sdb |
| 17:43.17 | abrotman | jonah1980: last hint .. try to use apt-file to find the file you need |
| 17:43.18 | Juul | h3sp4wn, interesting, so then if the built-in sound card doesn't get index 0, and i plug in an usb-audio device, then the usb-audio will get index 0 and become default until i unplug it? |
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| 17:44.03 | h3sp4wn | Juul: Not sure for that use case (only ever used it in a desktop with multiple soundcards) |
| 17:44.13 | Juul | hm |
| 17:44.37 | Juul | i think it's a very common use-case and i think it's a huge oversight that there isn't a "switch default card" option anywhere to be found |
| 17:44.39 | jonah1980 | abrotman, no but the driver in etch is no good, i've had to download the legacy one to make file with from source |
| 17:44.40 | theron|home | I understand that the loop is compiled into the debian xen kernel that you get for the repos. Where do I add the max_loop=128 kernel option to get it recognized in the menu.lst file for grub? |
| 17:44.50 | Juul | maybe i'll write a gnome panel applet to switch default card |
| 17:45.01 | Ronin | driver in etch is likely fine, if you ran debian that is |
| 17:45.04 | jonah1980 | abrotman, i know from using other distros this is the driver i need, but it would make in fedora and a few others |
| 17:45.05 | abrotman | jonah1980: okay .. i just gave you a hint .. try to find that file .. and if that file doesn't exist .. ask #elive how to get around it maybe |
| 17:45.07 | h3sp4wn | Juul: So you want usb audio if its in or else the other |
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| 17:45.39 | Juul | h3sp4wn, well, optimally i'd just like to be able to switch manually through some kind of gui thingy |
| 17:45.49 | cahoot | Juul: seems a bit doubtful to make a removable device deafult, why not config the apps to use correct device? |
| 17:46.25 | jeward | abrotman: What would my next step be to get the IBM 300 to boot the etch kernel? |
| 17:46.38 | jeward | abrotman: 330, I meant. |
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| 17:46.47 | Juul | cahoot, well true, but just having a manual switch for default card is important, not all apps can be configured to use a specific card, at least not easily |
| 17:47.10 | cahoot | all alsa-aware apps should |
| 17:47.23 | abrotman | jeward: can you boot the sarge 2.6 kernel on it ? |
| 17:47.29 | h3sp4wn | And changing every app each time you want to use it would be a pita |
| 17:47.44 | jeward | abrotman: Is that the 2.6.2 kernel? |
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| 17:48.07 | h3sp4wn | (presuming you use a few) - alsa sucks on cards with decent sound quality |
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| 17:50.31 | abrotman | 2.6.8 |
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| 17:51.41 | tonyb2007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.12 | Max_- | If I want to start and stop things at startup/shutdown (like ZM : zmpkg.pl start/stop), can I just create a K99 and S01 files, put there somewhere, and create a link to these files in every rc?.d directories??? |
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| 17:52.39 | Max_- | put *them* somewhere |
| 17:53.08 | dkr | Max_-: you create the file in /etc/init.d and use update-rc.d to make those symlinks with the appropriate numbers in rc dirs |
| 17:53.22 | abrotman | tonyb2007: man apt.conf |
| 17:53.41 | \amethyst | Max_-: the script should go in /etc/init.d *without* the K99/S01 prefix |
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| 17:53.56 | tonyb2007 | dangit im on a nokia 770 its hard to work :/ |
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| 17:54.17 | \amethyst | Max_-: The script will be run with the 'start' or 'stop' argument, depending on which is happening (once you use update-rc.d, that is) |
| 17:54.21 | tonyb2007 | and lacks man |
| 17:54.42 | Max_- | o.0 oh, really?! it will add it itself?!? |
| 17:54.55 | jeward | abrotman: I don't have that kernel on the machine. I expect we stopped trying at the 2.6.2 kernel and had been running the 2.4 kernel until now. |
| 17:55.23 | \amethyst | Max_-: you use update-rc.d to add it |
| 17:55.33 | Max_- | oh.. gotta try this |
| 17:55.33 | jeward | abrotman: 2.6.2 kernel panics. |
| 17:55.39 | abrotman | saying what? |
| 17:55.51 | jeward | abrotman: Let me boot it next. |
| 17:56.07 | abrotman | i'll take any actual error |
| 17:56.11 | \amethyst | Max_-: take a look at /etc/rc.d/README , which has a link to the debian policy manual |
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| 17:56.29 | jeward | 2.6.2-1-686-smp |
| 17:56.40 | jeward | Code: Bad EIP value. <0>Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
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| 17:56.57 | Meaw | hi |
| 17:57.00 | abrotman | but the 2.6.18 in etch doesn't do that ? |
| 17:57.03 | jeward | abrotman: There's a whole stack trace if that would help. |
| 17:57.12 | abrotman | it's not going to help me .. ti's a kernel crash |
| 17:57.13 | Max_- | \amethyst : okay! |
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| 17:57.20 | jeward | abrotman: The etch kernel doesn't error, just hangs. |
| 17:57.27 | Meaw | hi |
| 17:57.30 | abrotman | last line being ? |
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| 17:57.46 | abrotman | jeward: you might get some bonus advice in #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:57.50 | jeward | abrotman: Attaching the sdb SCSI disk. |
| 17:58.09 | jeward | abrotman: That's a different irc network? |
| 17:58.12 | abrotman | yep |
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| 17:58.24 | jeward | Let me see if I can get to it. |
| 17:58.36 | seto1 | hi,what I need to install on debian etch to use xcompmgr or equivalent to get a window transparent under X11 ? |
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| 17:58.45 | Meaw | hello |
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| 17:59.01 | Meaw | guys, im having problem in running the startx, as user it works fine |
| 17:59.02 | jeward | abrotman: Thanks for trying! |
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| 17:59.41 | abrotman | jeward: did google turn up anything ? |
| 17:59.47 | Meaw | so what is the problem could be if startx works as root not as user |
| 18:00.02 | jeward | abrotman: Not really. |
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| 18:00.20 | keith4 | Meaw: pastebin your log |
| 18:00.20 | jeward | Pretty old hardware, dual Pentium IIIs. |
| 18:00.39 | Meaw | keith4: which log? |
| 18:00.47 | abrotman | jeward: did you try the acpi and apic at the same time ? |
| 18:00.51 | jeward | abrotman: Can you name a server on that network? My browser doesn't understand irc:: syntax. |
| 18:00.56 | keith4 | Meaw: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:00.59 | zea_ | seto1: enable the composite extention in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:01.07 | jeward | abrotman: Yes, on the 2.6.18 kernel. |
| 18:01.16 | Meaw | keith4:cant paste it really, im in console., can i dcc send it to you?. |
| 18:01.19 | jeward | That got it past the CDROM line. |
| 18:01.22 | seto1 | zea_: yes but in which paquet is the xcompmgr command ? |
| 18:01.25 | keith4 | Meaw: no |
| 18:01.49 | zea_ | seto1: you're probably talking about compiz? |
| 18:01.51 | keith4 | Meaw: does xorg die with an error? if so, what is it? |
| 18:02.03 | zea_ | seto1: do apt-cache search compiz |
| 18:02.14 | abrotman | jeward: those usually take care of a lot of issues .. |
| 18:02.17 | jeward | abrotman: I got on oftc, so nevermind the server question. |
| 18:02.26 | abrotman | fine .. just leave me hanging! |
| 18:02.27 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:02.37 | seto1 | zea_: ah .. I need to install all compiz to get only transparency ? I remmember that I have done that with only transset and xcommgr and a bind in hotkeys .. |
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| 18:03.32 | jeward | abrotman: I'm on both here and there. ;) |
| 18:03.32 | Max_- | Wow... It's SO complicated! |
| 18:03.48 | Meaw | keith4: (EE) no device detected. Fatal server error , Fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer ) on X server "0:0" |
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| 18:04.10 | keith4 | Meaw: is your user in the video group? |
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| 18:04.41 | Meaw | keith4:actually X was working fine, restarted it and then i get this problem |
| 18:04.44 | jeward | abrotman: Unfortunately, it seems everyone's alseep there! |
| 18:04.58 | abrotman | jeward: they're slow to respond sometimes .. remember .. it's also friday |
| 18:04.59 | zea_ | seto1: there are other window managers that take advantage of composite extention. compiz is one of them |
| 18:05.04 | keith4 | Meaw: what video card? sounds like the module isn't loading maybe |
| 18:05.17 | vasuvi | I'm trying to bootstrap Debian from Gentoo with this command: "debootstrap sid /mnt/deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian", and am getting this error: "E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-/Packages" Any idea what the problem could be? |
| 18:05.23 | Meaw | keith4: this is laptop, i think it's vga Intel |
| 18:05.23 | jeward | abrotman: Okay, maybe I'll just bring the box up on the 2.4 kernel until I get a response. |
| 18:05.28 | zea_ | seto1: or i'm not really sure what you're talking about. ;) |
| 18:05.49 | keith4 | Meaw: you need to figure out a way to pastebin the error log |
| 18:05.50 | abrotman | jeward: also there's a debian-kernel mailing list |
| 18:05.55 | keith4 | ssh from another computer and paste it? |
| 18:06.14 | Meaw | keith4:dont have another computer :( |
| 18:06.26 | jeward | abrotman: I may have to join that. |
| 18:06.37 | wols_ | !tell Meaw about pastewithoutx |
| 18:06.38 | abrotman | i'm not sure you have to be subscribed to post .. |
| 18:06.47 | tt | I have configured cron to use fetch mail every minute (fetchmail) but I have a small problem. The cron daemon seemes to work but I often ge a message (in my mail... Thats why its very disturbing) that there was some error. How do I make cron daemon shut up or atleast not send a report every minute? |
| 18:06.48 | Meaw | keith4:nothing much in the error log i can tell you here |
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| 18:07.34 | jeward | abrotman: I'm on. |
| 18:07.43 | abrotman | i meant to the mailing list |
| 18:07.57 | jeward | Me too. ;-) |
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| 18:08.22 | \amethyst | tt: you could use MAILTO="" at the top of the crontab |
| 18:08.31 | jeward | abrotman: Any bad gotchas running the 2.4 kernel with etch? |
| 18:08.44 | abrotman | yes .. it's not supported :) |
| 18:08.59 | jeward | Great! :) |
| 18:09.07 | tt | \amethyst: Do you know where I can find out more about this? Don't really know what you are talking about ;) |
| 18:09.17 | \amethyst | tt: man 5 crontab |
| 18:09.18 | jeward | Looks like it works okay so far though. |
| 18:09.24 | tt | roger |
| 18:09.25 | abrotman | jeward: it might .. but it's not supported |
| 18:09.34 | jeward | abrotman: Gotcha. |
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| 18:10.56 | tt | \amethyst: How would I implement MAILTO="" in my crontab? |
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| 18:11.55 | \amethyst | tt: put that line at the top of your crontab |
| 18:11.55 | stew | tt: just put it at the top of the file |
| 18:12.07 | stew | tt: "man 5 crontab" has examples |
| 18:12.14 | Meaw | keith4:the last line says Freefontpath FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1 fixing . |
| 18:12.28 | keith4 | Meaw: that's not a problem |
| 18:12.31 | Meaw | keith4: this is the only error in Xorg.0.log |
| 18:12.35 | tt | stew and \anethyst: THANK YOU! I will check it out. |
| 18:12.39 | keith4 | Meaw: I don't believe you ;-) |
| 18:12.52 | Meaw | :/ |
| 18:13.07 | Meaw | then.. I have no errors in the Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:13.35 | Silvia | abrotman, i was reading about bridges ethernet, but i do not how to do it, without loosing my ssh conection. |
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| 18:14.58 | jeward | abrotman: Oh dear, looks like the ethernet cards didn't laod... |
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| 18:15.09 | |Assid| | hi |
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| 18:15.17 | thekooki3guy | hey I gotz the black screen of death! need help instaling baryl! pate bin here!! http://tinyurl.com/8ty |
| 18:15.37 | Assid | if i have a AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ .. which kernel is suggested? |
| 18:15.42 | NetLSD | don't go to that link |
| 18:16.10 | Assid | kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 ? |
| 18:16.14 | Meaw | keith4: there's lookupdeviceIntRec id0x0 not found |
| 18:16.19 | simonrvn | !ops thekooki3guy tubgirl link via tinyurl |
| 18:16.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: thekooki3guy tubgirl link via tinyurl |
| 18:16.32 | jeward | abrotman: Okay, this machine is officially hosed until the new kernel will work. |
| 18:16.47 | simonrvn | Preview of TinyURL.com/8ty This TinyURL redirects to: http://www.tubgirl.com |
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| 18:17.12 | simonrvn | woot |
| 18:17.17 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 18:18.07 | Assid | linux-image-2.6-amd64 ? should i use that? |
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| 18:19.02 | simonrvn | if you have a 64b machine yeh. userspace can be either 32 or 64 |
| 18:19.17 | valdyn | Assid: on which debian arch? |
| 18:19.26 | john_priest | without being kicked in the head.... anyone by chance have a fx5200 card and got nvidia drivers running ? |
| 18:19.29 | Assid | valdyn: i386 |
| 18:19.38 | zenwryly | Anyon know of an apt source for network-manager-pptp? |
| 18:19.44 | valdyn | Assid: using a k7 kernel could be better circumstantially |
| 18:19.48 | simonrvn | Assid: then no |
| 18:19.54 | Assid | no? |
| 18:20.21 | valdyn | Assid: not much to gain except you have >1G ram, frew things break with that kernel |
| 18:20.32 | Assid | oh |
| 18:20.33 | valdyn | s/frew/a few/ |
| 18:20.43 | Assid | crap.. i just installed it |
| 18:20.49 | Assid | okay what do i install instead |
| 18:21.03 | valdyn | Assid: probably the -k7 kernel |
| 18:21.06 | simonrvn | not the end of the world |
| 18:21.32 | vasuvi | Found the problem; had to specify --arch for debootstrap to run successfully (as it couldn't divine it from Gentoo) |
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| 18:22.10 | Assid | valdyn: this isnt an smp by any chance is it? |
| 18:22.30 | valdyn | Assid: all debian kernels except the -486 are smp |
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| 18:25.46 | mooper | where can I get the iceweasal package? |
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| 18:26.27 | valdyn | mooper: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 18:26.39 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to remove all documentation from a Debian installation (ie. man pages) ? |
| 18:27.07 | Assid | okay how do i know if i am using the k7 or what |
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| 18:27.28 | valdyn | Assid: uname -r |
| 18:27.38 | mooper | valdyn: nah, Im ubuntu. That wont work :) |
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| 18:28.22 | nkuttler | Jemt: man rm... they will come back with the next package upgrade though. |
| 18:28.39 | Jemt | nkuttler: That's acceptable :) |
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| 18:28.52 | Jemt | nkuttler: Thanks. Do you know where the man pages are located ? |
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| 18:29.18 | valdyn | mooper: does #debian look like a ubuntu support channel? |
| 18:29.26 | Assid | valdyn: i removed amd64 from the list and also removed and --purged it.. but update-grub is still finding it |
| 18:29.29 | valdyn | !topicsmite mooper |
| 18:29.29 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mooper. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:29.31 | nkuttler | Jemt: yes. but i think it's a bad idea to remove them |
| 18:29.36 | misnix | Jemt, man find , ;-p |
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| 18:29.51 | Jemt | nkuttler: Sure it is - but it's necessary in this case ;) |
| 18:29.51 | valdyn | Assid: that package is a metapackage, it pulls a kernel but does not provide one |
| 18:29.57 | Jemt | nkuttler: I know what I'm doing :) |
| 18:30.06 | valdyn | Assid: read the package description |
| 18:30.09 | faemir | anyone know how I can fix this: './n_v14: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:30.10 | nkuttler | Jemt: then you'd know where they are |
| 18:30.21 | Jemt | nkuttler: No, I don't |
| 18:30.22 | Assid | valdyn: okay but how do iget rid of this.. so its only k7 |
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| 18:31.02 | Jemt | /usr/share/man seems like the right place |
| 18:31.32 | Jemt | What? Only 26 MB? Hm, not worth removing then |
| 18:31.39 | nkuttler | Jemt: see... |
| 18:31.40 | Assid | okay .. this is gonna be my first deb box.. where i dont plan to play with vanilla kernels |
| 18:31.46 | nkuttler | Jemt: remove kde or something |
| 18:31.51 | Jemt | nkuttler: Not an option |
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| 18:32.02 | Jemt | nkuttler: Thanks though :) |
| 18:32.24 | kumaran | hi, I download a .deb file. How do I install it? I am using Debian 7.04 |
| 18:32.32 | nkuttler | Jemt: apt-get clean, remove logs, caches etc. |
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| 18:32.53 | Jemt | nkuttler: Logs, Cache etc. are all mounted in RAM ;) |
| 18:32.55 | Assid | err.. how do i speed up the login process.. i think it tries to lookup my reversedns .. and its slowing down |
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| 18:33.11 | nkuttler | kumaran: 7.04? debian? however... man dpkg |
| 18:33.11 | Silvia | abrotman, are you here? |
| 18:33.15 | Jemt | nkuttler: But other suggestions on how to free up some space are welcome :) |
| 18:33.27 | misnix | Jemt, look in /usr/share/doc |
| 18:33.29 | kumaran | nkuttler: etch |
| 18:33.36 | Jemt | misnix: Thanks :) |
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| 18:35.00 | Jemt | misnix: /usr/share/doc has nothing to do with 'man', right ? |
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| 18:35.18 | Jemt | misnix: It's just alternative (extended) documentation ? |
| 18:35.20 | fiddles | hey guys |
| 18:35.34 | fiddles | how do i edit PKG_CONFIG_PATH? |
| 18:35.45 | kumaran | nkuttler: please give the command straighly |
| 18:35.57 | misnix | Jemt, you said all documentation, not all manpages ;p |
| 18:36.02 | mooper | valdyn: now now, do you think anyone in #ubuntu is going to know where to find a debian only package? |
| 18:36.03 | mooper | !beer valdyn |
| 18:36.03 | mooper | :( tee total now then |
| 18:36.12 | nkuttler | kumaran: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:36.26 | kumaran | I download lame software which is in lame*.deb |
| 18:36.37 | kumaran | I want to install it in my etch system. |
| 18:36.47 | nkuttler | kumaran: did you /msg dpkg lame ? |
| 18:36.51 | Jemt | misnix: Well, I would like to keep the MAN pages if it only takes up 26 MB. But /usr/share/doc contains ~120 MB which would be nice to free up |
| 18:36.52 | laser_tk | kumaran: dpkg -i *.deb |
| 18:37.32 | kumaran | laser_tk: thanks |
| 18:38.22 | misnix | jemt, you can check in advance by renaming the doc dir and trying your man pages ;p |
| 18:38.49 | Jemt | misnix: Ah, good idea :) |
| 18:38.52 | Jemt | misnix: Thanks, mate :) |
| 18:38.59 | misnix | np |
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| 18:39.29 | Jemt | misnix: Still works. You just gave me 120 MB more. Great! :D |
| 18:39.31 | misnix | Jemt, np, everybody has the right to mess up his/her system ;) |
| 18:39.40 | Jemt | misnix: Exactly! ;) |
| 18:39.48 | Jemt | Hey, a reinstall takes like 10 minutes! :) |
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| 18:42.16 | vasuvi | I'm doing a bootstrap install, and chrooted into my new Debian partition. When I use Aptitude, it complains about untrusted sources; how do I import the digital signitures for the main Debian repositories? |
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| 18:42.40 | fas3r | hello every body |
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| 18:43.20 | abrotman | Silvia: ? |
| 18:43.46 | fas3r | someone use accounting table with freeradius ? it just i don't find the schema of this table ... :( |
| 18:44.15 | abrotman | Silvia: yes .. you'll lose your network when the bridge comes up |
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| 18:44.41 | Silvia | abrotman, i have 2 ips which i can play |
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| 18:45.35 | abrotman | i'm not sure that matters |
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| 18:46.39 | aphexer | I'm making a .deb for a script that can log you in automatically to some server at the university which requires authentication before you can access the internet. Will that .deb ever be considered for inclusion in the main archive, or should I host it myself? (because there's a limited target audience, only students/personel of that one university) |
| 18:47.11 | abrotman | aphexer: seems silly to put it in debian |
| 18:47.57 | aphexer | abrotman: ok, thanks. Still many people use it though :) Needed it to integrate into my system nicely, so that further apps requiring internet connectivity don't hang on startup. |
| 18:48.02 | h3sp4wn | aphexer: depends how it works |
| 18:48.15 | aphexer | h3sp4wn: it's a python script, sending login data over https to some server |
| 18:48.24 | abrotman | aphexer: ask the uni to host it ? |
| 18:48.25 | aphexer | I made init script etc for it |
| 18:48.33 | aphexer | abrotman: they don't like we do it automatically |
| 18:48.53 | aphexer | abrotman: actually they took measures to prevent automation, like randomizing the name of the fields your data has to be in |
| 18:48.57 | Silvia | abrotman, i can create a dummy interface with a public ip, binding ssh to that ip, and play with real eth0 |
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| 18:49.00 | h3sp4wn | aphexer: I wouldn't think that would be useful integrating it into what debian already has might |
| 18:49.23 | aphexer | ok |
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| 18:49.29 | Silvia | abrotman, i can connect ssh trought this dummy interface |
| 18:49.41 | h3sp4wn | i.e the stuff in /etc/network/blah.d |
| 18:49.43 | fiddles | hey anyone know where i can find or get the xfce4-panel-1.0.pc file? |
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| 18:49.52 | abrotman | fiddles: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:49.59 | OhMyGods | hello,who know about ttylinux? |
| 18:50.05 | h3sp4wn | aphexer: the stuff in the bridge package is a simple example (dunno the best place for it to be) |
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| 18:50.32 | abrotman | OhMyGods: you're in #debian |
| 18:50.44 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: did you mean Silvia ? |
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| 18:50.58 | OhMyGods | abrotman: yes,but I don't know where to ask my problem. |
| 18:51.06 | abrotman | OhMyGods: ##linux |
| 18:51.07 | OhMyGods | abrotman: sorry. |
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| 18:51.38 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: nah I don't think so |
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| 18:51.46 | OhMyGods | abrotman: thank you very much |
| 18:51.54 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: one was asking about packages .. the other about bridges |
| 18:52.01 | abrotman | hibizcuz: please don't msg me |
| 18:52.36 | abrotman | hibizcuz: stew banned you .. talk to him |
| 18:52.38 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: I was saying if he wants it in debian he would have to integrate it into /etc/network/interfaces (and the bridge package is the simplest example I know) |
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| 18:52.50 | abrotman | hibizcuz: or some other op |
| 18:52.52 | S-t-a-F-F | hello. |
| 18:53.08 | S-t-a-F-F | !paster |
| 18:53.08 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:53.11 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: oh .. for his auth stuff ? |
| 18:53.15 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: yep |
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| 18:57.03 | aphexer | h3sp4wn: you talked about "stuff in the bridge package". But I don't seem to find a 'bridge' package... |
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| 18:57.59 | SangueVivo | hi |
| 18:58.02 | SangueVivo | !list |
| 18:58.02 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to sanguevivo |
| 18:58.13 | Ronin | colby: please don't msg me, ask in channel there are people in here who know far more then i do |
| 18:58.29 | SangueVivo | !list |
| 18:58.29 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to sanguevivo |
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| 18:59.13 | Ronin | umm SangueVivo what makes you think we're a warez channel? |
| 18:59.55 | SangueVivo | sory |
| 19:00.01 | SangueVivo | sorry* |
| 19:00.06 | sepski | cant we redo !list to msg them the output of apt-cache search ^ |
| 19:00.10 | sepski | or something :) |
| 19:00.11 | Ronin | doh, sorry colby forgot where i was |
| 19:00.15 | Ronin | sepski: heh |
| 19:00.17 | fiddles | hmm still cant find the panel.pc file |
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| 19:01.06 | S-t-a-F-F | hello here on trying to do apt-get install gcc g++ openssl ... this is the error i am getting .. please check on "http://paste.debian.net/38887" how can i solve this problem please? thanks.. |
| 19:01.32 | sepski | why does my .rhosts ignore netgroups ? stating the hostname works, using the netgroup with the same host in it, does not. |
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| 19:02.27 | OhMyGods | who knows Can I recompile a old kernel? |
| 19:02.37 | aphexer | OhMyGods: sure you can |
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| 19:03.14 | OhMyGods | aphexer: ok.then if I need care some thing? |
| 19:03.40 | S-t-a-F-F | stew can you help me please? |
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| 19:04.29 | nkuttler | S-t-a-F-F: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 19:04.36 | aphexer | OhMyGods: there is no reason an old kernel wouldn't work anymore, just do as if it's the newest |
| 19:04.55 | aphexer | OhMyGods: unless you go tooo old, and the scripts in debian expect something to be there that's quite new, like udev |
| 19:05.08 | aphexer | but some minor versions will sure work |
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| 19:06.12 | nkuttler | S-t-a-F-F: btw that's not an error. apt is just asking for your cd... |
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| 19:08.54 | penguin | I was able to copy the iso image from original office97 CDrom but not from copies of it. How did they do that? |
| 19:09.35 | vasuvi | penguin: A bad rip perhaps? |
| 19:09.53 | penguin | But the copy works |
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| 19:10.05 | moqq | howdy |
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| 19:10.52 | vasuvi | penguin: I think there's a no-copy (or one-generation-only copy) flag that can be set. Perhaps that was set on the copy, and the ripper is respecting that.. |
| 19:11.22 | moqq | i need a little help with java on debian... i got the .bin from sun, made the package and it installed okay. now i try to install the GCJ but it want to install the java from the sources.list which is 1.4 but i just installed j2re1.5 |
| 19:11.43 | amphi | vasuvi: dd wouldn't care ;) |
| 19:11.43 | moqq | e.g. the java-common package |
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| 19:11.54 | syzygyBSD | I am trying to grow a software raid 1 after upgrading both drives to 500GB. After `mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --size=max` i get the error `mdadm: Cannot set device size/shape for /dev/md0: File exists` Searching google didn't help, anyone here have ideas? |
| 19:12.33 | irule | may I please get some help in dhcpd? I put my configuration, it works on an opensuse 10.2 but this debian 4 is whining :s http://pastebin.ca/727087 |
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| 19:12.37 | penguin | YOu could be right, I might have used MS stuff to record the copy. |
| 19:13.09 | amphi | penguin: duh |
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| 19:13.36 | penguin | I better burn one on Debian, so I have a good copy. |
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| 19:15.27 | penguin | I assume Linux will make an exact copy? |
| 19:17.19 | tt | is there a way to "refresh" the mail list in mutt without selecting a new mailbox and then go back? |
| 19:18.01 | dondelelcaro | tt: you can sync the mailbox, but otherwise it'll load new messages itself |
| 19:18.08 | dondelelcaro | (once it notices) |
| 19:18.37 | simonrvn | i use 'I', but i'm using IMAP |
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| 19:18.47 | tt | dondelelcaro: Im more thinking of when I have deleted a mail I have to reload the mailbox before it disapperas (purge deleted mails...). |
| 19:18.55 | dondelelcaro | tt: that's syncing |
| 19:19.03 | tt | oh |
| 19:19.06 | simonrvn | what he said =) |
| 19:19.24 | simonrvn | default is $ |
| 19:19.44 | tt | Holy sh*t. It worked. |
| 19:19.45 | simonrvn | (i haven't touched it) |
| 19:19.50 | tt | Yey! |
| 19:19.54 | tt | Thanks you. |
| 19:19.58 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 19:21.03 | tt | Now I just need to get some new mail. It seems so empty. |
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| 19:24.02 | rapiecer | hello is there a unison user ? |
| 19:26.06 | abrotman | nytol will help you get your Zs |
| 19:28.24 | vasuvi | After I debootstrap and tasksel, how much is left for a complete Debian install? I assume I'll have to fetch a kernel and install grub, but beyond that? |
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| 19:29.08 | moqq | how do i install a sid package on etch |
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| 19:29.32 | jelly-home | moqq: you don't. |
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| 19:29.46 | sepski | !simple sid backport |
| 19:29.46 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 19:29.49 | chal | HELLO |
| 19:30.13 | jelly-home | moqq: more seriously, that would destabilize your etch system very much. which package are you looking for? |
| 19:30.19 | moqq | ant 1.7 |
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| 19:31.24 | moqq | !simple backports |
| 19:31.33 | DawnLight[ | a konsole terminal has been closed while a process was running in it. the process is still running. can i get to that process? |
| 19:31.46 | chal | have some xorg problems which i need help with |
| 19:32.03 | jelly-home | moqq: what sepski points to, or try if it's available on backports.org |
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| 19:33.01 | moqq | ok |
| 19:33.05 | SerajewelKS | why would my connection be regular speed with eth0 by itself, but have 20sec lag connecting anywhere when eth0 is in a bridge by itself? |
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| 19:34.43 | SerajewelKS | it makes no sense to me |
| 19:34.49 | nkuttler | DawnLight[: what kind of process? why do you think it's still running? |
| 19:34.52 | sepski | SerajewelKS, that makes not sense |
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| 19:35.55 | chal | dexconf: error cannot generate configuration file: /shared/default-x server not set aborting reconfigure the x server with "dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 19:35.59 | jelly-home | DawnLight[: basically no |
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| 19:36.23 | raggi | what's the best practice for grabbing more recent packages, is it ok to use the unstable builds? (say for something that's 1.2 in main, 1.2 in testing, and 1.4 in unstable, and I want 1.4) - or am I better installing the package manually? |
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| 19:36.30 | SerajewelKS | sepski: no it doesn't |
| 19:36.45 | DawnLight[ | nkuttler/jelly-home: aptitude. i can see it in the kde system guard process table. it is in the middle of an upgrade. |
| 19:36.51 | moqq | hrmph |
| 19:36.52 | sepski | SerajewelKS, you let the bridge settle before or is that a 20000 rtt on ping |
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| 19:36.58 | jelly-home | DawnLight[: kill it and start again |
| 19:37.05 | jelly-home | DawnLight[: if this happens to you often, run your process inside dtach or screen |
| 19:37.10 | SerajewelKS | sepski: ping works fine... things like dns and ssh take forever to get a response |
| 19:37.30 | DawnLight[ | why isn't there a way to reattach it? grr! thanks! |
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| 19:37.36 | sepski | SerajewelKS, sounds like a dns issue then, try each server in your resolv.conf manually |
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| 19:37.48 | sepski | DawnLight, if you'd started it in screen you could have |
| 19:37.49 | SerajewelKS | sepski: ssh'ing to an IP address... the router in fact |
| 19:37.55 | SerajewelKS | sepski: i'd expect that to be immediate |
| 19:37.56 | chal | xserver-org postinst warning error while preparing new Xorg X server configuration file in /etc/x11/xorg-conf. dpkg-new: not attempting to update existing configuration |
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| 19:37.59 | jelly-home | DawnLight[: there is a way, but only if you take preemptive action like suggested ;-) |
| 19:38.07 | DawnLight[ | yea, i know screen. thanks |
| 19:38.30 | SerajewelKS | sepski: i mean... it's on the same switch |
| 19:38.39 | SerajewelKS | sepski: and now it seems it's doing it with eth0 isn't in a bridge |
| 19:38.43 | SerajewelKS | so i dunno wtf is going on |
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| 19:39.25 | penguin | Why should DD choke even if there is something wrong with the cdrom? |
| 19:39.28 | Nyle | [Fonts] |
| 19:39.28 | Nyle | SFontFile_1=Data\Fonts\Kingthings_Regular.fnt |
| 19:39.28 | Nyle | SFontFile_2=Data\Fonts\Kingthings_Shadowed.fnt |
| 19:39.28 | Nyle | SFontFile_3=Data\Fonts\Theo_Kingthings_Petrock_22_DarNified.fnt |
| 19:39.28 | Nyle | SFontFile_4=Data\Fonts\Daedric_Font.fnt |
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| 19:39.31 | sepski | SerajewelKS, check all your dns server manuaally one by one |
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| 19:39.44 | Nyle | ah fsck |
| 19:39.52 | SerajewelKS | !lose Nyle |
| 19:39.52 | dpkg | Nyle: You Lose. |
| 19:39.56 | Nyle | godamn mouse paste clicky buffer thingy |
| 19:40.06 | SerajewelKS | sepski: the only one that's laggy is the router (running dnsmasq) |
| 19:40.07 | sepski | SerajewelKS, sounds like a typical 1 of your dns servers is ok other is not issue |
| 19:40.09 | penguin | I do not understand why cat and dd /dev/cdrom should ever choke? |
| 19:40.27 | SerajewelKS | sepski: it seems like local servers on the router are slow to respond.. but traffic routed through it fine |
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| 19:40.33 | sepski | penguin, scratches, marks other issues |
| 19:40.36 | Silvia | abrotman, are you... |
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| 19:40.49 | Silvia | i needed your help.... |
| 19:40.51 | sepski | penguin, rereads in general |
| 19:40.53 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: like forever = 5 seconds? |
| 19:40.55 | sepski | SerajewelKS, dont use thatone then |
| 19:40.56 | chal | need some help with xorg |
| 19:41.07 | DawnLight[ | nkuttler/jelly-home: i've killed aptitude and now the new aptitude tells me that about could not lock, opening in read only and such |
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| 19:41.19 | Scurz | Which command using to reload a bind zone? |
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| 19:41.24 | sepski | or restart the services on the router and see if it help |
| 19:41.32 | sepski | rndc reload zone.com |
| 19:41.36 | SerajewelKS | sepski: uhm, don't use my router? wtf? |
| 19:41.42 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: more like 15ish |
| 19:41.46 | sepski | dont use your router as a dns server :) |
| 19:42.04 | SerajewelKS | sepski: yeah that's a plan... i'm not hardcoding upstream dns on every box |
| 19:42.04 | Scurz | sepski: rndc: 'reload' failed: not found |
| 19:42.41 | chal | i understand english a little i know that btw means bye the way what is wtf? |
| 19:42.57 | sepski | Scurz, works for me, you use the bindf9 package ? |
| 19:42.59 | SerajewelKS | once ssh doesn't take so long i'll be satisfied that the issue is resolved |
| 19:43.18 | SerajewelKS | i can ssh from the router to my box in no time |
| 19:43.28 | SerajewelKS | my box to the router takes ~15sec |
| 19:43.28 | Scurz | sepski: the bind9 package, yes |
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| 19:43.32 | sepski | SerajewelKS, that's just the revers dns |
| 19:43.39 | sepski | perhaps you dont have that local |
| 19:43.41 | SerajewelKS | sepski: i disabled that on both boxen |
| 19:43.42 | twobitsprite | anyone know how to check the label on an iso image? thanks |
| 19:43.49 | chal | dpkg!xork |
| 19:43.58 | chal | dpkg!xorg |
| 19:44.08 | sepski | Scurz, check your install then, since rndc is in the bind9 package, its in /usr/sbin/rndc |
| 19:44.16 | Scurz | chal: try !xorg ;) |
| 19:44.29 | Scurz | sepski: okay, thanks |
| 19:44.30 | chal | !xorg |
| 19:44.30 | dpkg | xorg is probably X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. |
| 19:44.55 | chal | Scurz: thanks |
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| 19:46.36 | Scurz | sepski: Does it exist other commands to reload? |
| 19:46.42 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: mdns enabled by default in recent debian (etch+) exposes dns slowness in a nasty way, adding 5 seconds because the resolver tries avahi-daemon as a fallback |
| 19:46.58 | fiddles | hey |
| 19:47.11 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: you have mdns in nsswitch.conf hosts: line? |
| 19:47.17 | sepski | i guess you could just restart the whole bind server, but that seams a unnessecary waste |
| 19:47.19 | fiddles | im missing my xfce4-panel-1.pc file, where can i get it for pkg config |
| 19:47.29 | sepski | besides rndc is there. are you on etch ? |
| 19:47.49 | Scurz | yes |
| 19:47.59 | sepski | and you run rndc as root ? |
| 19:48.03 | Scurz | yes |
| 19:48.34 | sepski | dpkg -L bind9 | grep rndc gives you anything |
| 19:48.35 | dpkg | ii bind9 | grep rndc gives you anything 1.8-2.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 19:48.56 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: yes, but again this is for an IP connection. does it use mdns for reverse dns too? |
| 19:49.35 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: not sure. I got "only" 5 second slowdowns. :-) |
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| 19:50.23 | |Jeff| | Hi! |
| 19:50.27 | Scurz | sepski: the rndc command exists but 'reload' affords an error. |
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| 19:50.52 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: ... which were coming from avahi-daemon. removing mdns4 from nsswitch.conf sped programs triggering failing ns lookups quite a bit |
| 19:51.01 | sam__ | I have a SB400 soundcard which works under etch but does not work under sid. I have done this in both cases http://www.puchalla-online.de/nx6325.html is there anthing else I can try please? |
| 19:51.01 | mo1991 | can someone tell me where the old sarge repositories are? |
| 19:51.16 | sepski | Scurz, arg, just run rndc and check the usage then |
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| 19:51.53 | mo1991 | are ISO directories all that are still available for sarge? |
| 19:52.05 | |Jeff| | Hi san... Here I have a problem with alsa and lenny... And sl-daemon and lenny (sid) |
| 19:52.29 | |Jeff| | Ohh. San__ :-) |
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| 19:53.01 | Scurz | ok |
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| 19:53.17 | |Jeff| | Anybody has a workaround about alsa problems in lenny? |
| 19:53.19 | dkr | hejsan? |
| 19:53.56 | jelly-home | sam__: mhm, SB400 is the (ATI/AMD) chipset, not the soundcard afair. can you paste lspci | grep Audio? |
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| 19:54.38 | sam__ | clientname:/home/sam# lspci |grep audio |
| 19:54.39 | sam__ | clientname:/home/sam# |
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| 19:54.51 | sam__ | nothing! |
| 19:54.51 | |Jeff| | Specially SiS an AC'97 |
| 19:55.03 | jelly-home | sam__: Case Matters. |
| 19:55.23 | ponyofdeath | hi, i am getting "*** glibc detected *** realloc(): invalid size: 0x00002aabb703d9a0 ***" while trying to check an XFS 9 TB filesystem does anyone have any ideas? |
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| 19:55.29 | sam__ | sorry.. 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio (rev 01) |
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| 19:55.33 | AvengerX | er |
| 19:55.39 | AvengerX | now I can talk (I guess) |
| 19:56.07 | jelly-home | sam__: so it ought to use snd-hda-intel driver. is the driver loaded? which kernel version? |
| 19:56.34 | AvengerX | So, anyone knows why I can't just boot from a debian IA64 cdrom iso image (burned on an actual media) -- ver 4.0r1 |
| 19:56.48 | jelly-home | AvengerX: you have an Itanium machine? |
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| 19:57.02 | sam__ | 2.6.22-2-k7 How would i check the driver please? |
| 19:57.03 | AvengerX | No... its not HP also |
| 19:57.09 | AvengerX | it is a Gigabyte mobo |
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| 19:57.13 | AvengerX | with sata2 disks |
| 19:57.26 | jelly-home | AvengerX: for consumer Intel or AMD 64bit cpus, use amd64. |
| 19:57.40 | jelly-home | AvengerX: ia64 is a whole different beast. |
| 19:57.58 | AvengerX | hmm |
| 19:58.01 | sam__ | like this? clientname:/home/sam# modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 19:58.01 | sam__ | clientname:/home/sam# |
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| 19:58.25 | jelly-home | sam__: it ought to appear in lsmod output |
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| 19:58.37 | AvengerX | jelly-home: ahh that must be that then... lol :) |
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| 19:59.10 | AvengerX | jelly-home: I have already installed etch x86 version... can I just change a setting on apt-get to upgrade the whole thing to amd64? |
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| 19:59.23 | jelly-home | AvengerX: no |
| 19:59.28 | spikeb | you can use x86 if you want to you know |
| 19:59.34 | AvengerX | yeah |
| 19:59.51 | AvengerX | but I think I can get more from the box if I use the 64bit optimized arch |
| 19:59.56 | spikeb | ahh |
| 20:00.06 | spikeb | well that will pretty much require a reinstall. |
| 20:00.10 | spikeb | afaik |
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| 20:00.14 | Nihill | Knoppix is based on Debian isnt it? |
| 20:00.15 | jelly-home | AvengerX: are you running any specialized apps that are known to profit from amd64? |
| 20:00.26 | AvengerX | not really |
| 20:00.37 | AvengerX | but I am going to recompile squid by hand |
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| 20:00.49 | AvengerX | Im not sure if squid itself have some gain with 64-bit yet |
| 20:01.04 | sepski | AvengerX, do you have more then 4gb ram ? |
| 20:01.05 | sam__ | snd-hda-intel soes not appear: http://pastebin.ca/727134 |
| 20:01.07 | jelly-home | AvengerX: I have an installation of amd64 on the second disk on a deskop machine, and it's not worth the trouble |
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| 20:01.13 | mick_work | Nihill: yup - but all knoppix questions still go to #knoppix (just to clarify) |
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| 20:01.25 | AvengerX | sepski: planning to have just 2Gb |
| 20:01.32 | sepski | AvengerX, then it's not worth the troubble |
| 20:01.40 | AvengerX | hmmm |
| 20:01.47 | Nihill | Thanks mick_work, I was just intrested that was all I havent tried it yet |
| 20:02.05 | sam__ | Ohh beg your pardon - line 48 |
| 20:02.16 | mick_work | nice to see if your box "just works" under linux |
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| 20:02.20 | jelly-home | AvengerX: there's no java plugin, flash plugin is a pain to work out, and there's no apparent speed up. |
| 20:02.27 | ribasushi | hi |
| 20:02.39 | AvengerX | So, if I ever try to compile a kernel (or install it) for amd64, programs compiled for x86 will just stop working? e.g. If I upgrade the kernel, I have to upgrade the whole thing? |
| 20:02.40 | ribasushi | is it possible to select certain packages as download-only from within aptitude? |
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| 20:02.45 | ribasushi | or only command line for that? |
| 20:02.47 | Nihill | So if knoppix or ubuntu are based off Debian then arent releases based of *buntu and knoppix really just Debian at heart? |
| 20:02.56 | AvengerX | jelly-home: actually Im not concerned with the graphical, but server-side applications |
| 20:03.02 | spikeb | Nihill: sort of but not really. |
| 20:03.05 | Nihill | ahh |
| 20:03.09 | AvengerX | I'm setting and application server |
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| 20:03.17 | AvengerX | web, proxy, and so on. no X. |
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| 20:03.58 | sepski | Nihill, it's like a father doughter relationship they are relatives but they should NOT SHARE CLOTHES (packages) |
| 20:03.59 | assasukasse | hi everyone |
| 20:04.07 | sam__ | jelly-home, so it looks like it is loaded? line 48 of that post? any ideas? |
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| 20:04.24 | AvengerX | that's why I want most of most performance and scalability -- it will be a pain if I have to make a fresh install in the future, i plan just to upgrade the most so, if the tendency is to programs work on 64bit it would be a good idea to start on 64bit-aware already |
| 20:04.26 | ribasushi | sepski: if it is a father-daughter - can they have sex with each other? |
| 20:04.44 | sepski | ribasushi, they can but it's not supported |
| 20:04.49 | Nihill | so a package designed for Debian (father) might not work correctly on say Ubuntu (daughter) |
| 20:04.49 | assasukasse | could someone tell me the correct sintax to make sftp download a whole dir? |
| 20:04.54 | jakub_ | hi |
| 20:05.00 | sepski | Nihill, exactly |
| 20:05.11 | jakub_ | I have problem with microphone, it doesnt work in skype and etc. but if i unmute it, i can hear me |
| 20:05.20 | AvengerX | I'm looking at squid options, and it really have some options for optimistic 64-bit architecture |
| 20:05.25 | Nihill | Thanks sepski you made that clear for me |
| 20:05.25 | jakub_ | if i try alsaconf, it do some fucking msgs |
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| 20:06.23 | philippe_ | hi |
| 20:06.27 | jakub_ | pls help me |
| 20:06.50 | ribasushi | jakub_: latest skypes are funny in this regard |
| 20:07.02 | AvengerX | but, jelly-home, if I ever try to compile a kernel (or install it) for amd64, programs compiled for x86 will just stop working? i.e. if I run kernel on 64bit, ld, ls, ps (core applications), and so on must be recompiled for the 64bit architecture? |
| 20:07.09 | ribasushi | jakub_: install audacity and see if you setup works (try to record yourself |
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| 20:07.23 | philippe_ | does someone know why bittorrent don't work on http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 20:07.25 | ribasushi | jakub_: this out of the way - come back and someone might be able to help you |
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| 20:07.37 | jakub_ | no |
| 20:07.39 | jakub_ | it doesnt work |
| 20:07.50 | jelly-home | sam__: did you check alsamixer for muted volume settings? what happens when you try to play a sound file? |
| 20:07.51 | jakub_ | last time i used alsaconf |
| 20:07.54 | jakub_ | and then it works |
| 20:07.58 | jakub_ | but now alsaconf is in ... |
| 20:08.01 | Aleksej__ | good night |
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| 20:08.43 | AvengerX | :) |
| 20:08.50 | ribasushi | jakub_: paste specific error messages somewhere, no one can help you out of thin air |
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| 20:09.17 | jelly-home | AvengerX: not if you keep the 32bit compatibility option (IA32_EMULATION) |
| 20:09.30 | jakub_ | Architecture-specific modutils configuration for x86_64 not found, using defaults |
| 20:09.42 | jakub_ | Loading driver... |
| 20:09.42 | jakub_ | Usage: /etc/init.d/alsa {unload|reload|force-unload|force-reload|suspend|resume} |
| 20:09.50 | jakub_ | Setting default volumes... |
| 20:09.50 | jakub_ | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device |
| 20:09.56 | |Jeff| | pls, someone, help-me!!! The sound in my lenny is died! |
| 20:09.56 | sam__ | "no volume control Gstreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 20:10.16 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 20:10.29 | jelly-home | !info linux-image-2.6-686 lenny |
| 20:10.31 | |Jeff| | my modem is died too! |
| 20:10.36 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.22+10 (lenny), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 20:10.42 | jakub_ | ribasushi: pls help |
| 20:10.58 | |Jeff| | !info linux-image-2.6-686 lenny |
| 20:11.01 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.22+10 (lenny), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 20:11.09 | |Jeff| | ?? |
| 20:11.12 | ribasushi | jakub_: you are running a mixed 64/32 - this is a mess |
| 20:11.13 | jelly-home | |Jeff|: that was not meant for you |
| 20:11.21 | jakub_ | mhmm |
| 20:11.28 | jakub_ | it`s not problem ehm |
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| 20:11.44 | jakub_ | what i can do with it |
| 20:11.46 | |Jeff| | ok, jelly-home, sorry :-) |
| 20:11.59 | AvengerX | thanks jelly-home :) |
| 20:12.01 | ribasushi | jakub_: can't help you dude, I ditched a similar setup about a year ago (went back to 32), never looked back |
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| 20:12.16 | ribasushi | jakub_: someone who currently rus a 64/32 might be able to help you better |
| 20:12.25 | jakub_ | i`m using only 64 |
| 20:12.43 | ribasushi | jakub_: there is no skype for 64bit, so you are definitely not :) |
| 20:12.57 | jakub_ | this is not skype problem |
| 20:12.57 | jakub_ | :) |
| 20:13.08 | jakub_ | it`s global system problem |
| 20:13.14 | jakub_ | skype only using /dev/dsp |
| 20:13.16 | jelly-home | AvengerX: i have an account on a multiuser shell server running on amd64, the machine has no visible problems |
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| 20:13.40 | testergg | Hi, we want to install ultra monkey and we are running amd64 etch, there are only debs for i386, any suggestions we are open, any other load balancers would be fine also |
| 20:14.20 | jelly-home | testergg: what is ultra monkey? are those debs from Debian, or from somewhere else? |
| 20:14.47 | bolt | When I hold Alt Gr and press 2, I get @ (like I should) in aterm, but in all other applications, it seems, including pidgin, xchat and icedove, doing that actually spells out "AT" in the input box. What gives? |
| 20:15.14 | testergg | jelly-home: http://www.ultramonkey.org/ it has debs for sarge |
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| 20:16.13 | jelly-home | testergg: eh, Debian cannot support packages that are not in the distro |
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| 20:16.40 | testergg | jelly-home: they provide entries for the sources.list |
| 20:17.08 | jelly-home | testergg: well, ask "them" then |
| 20:17.21 | keith4 | testergg: you'll probably have to build it from source |
| 20:17.31 | jelly-home | testergg: note that page is date 2005 |
| 20:17.39 | testergg | jelly-home: thanks, I was just wondering if i386 debs could be installed in a amd64 etch environment |
| 20:18.08 | testergg | jelly-home: do you have any other suggestions for load balancers under debian amd64 what about balance? |
| 20:18.11 | AvengerX | jelly-home: you mean: an x86 version on a amd64 arch, and no visible problems, or matched ver/arch? |
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| 20:18.47 | ma3x | how do I view cpu's temp. ? |
| 20:18.47 | jelly-home | AvengerX: amd64 on a core2duo. |
| 20:18.51 | sam__ | alsaconf tells me to - have fun! |
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| 20:19.10 | jelly-home | AvengerX: i386 of course works too (on a lot more machines) |
| 20:19.17 | AvengerX | jelly-home: yeah :) |
| 20:19.34 | jelly-home | testergg: no experience with any here, sorry |
| 20:19.40 | AvengerX | I am thinking in trying to d/l and manual install the kernel for amd64 and try a reboot |
| 20:19.54 | AvengerX | (downloading the package separatedly) |
| 20:19.54 | testergg | jelly-home: ok thanks any suggestions where I can go to ask |
| 20:20.17 | sam__ | jelly-home, does this seem to be a bug then? should i submit a report? |
| 20:20.46 | jelly-home | sam__: have you tried alsamixer? |
| 20:21.18 | sam__ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 20:23.01 | jelly-home | sam__: ah. well then, yes, I think you should report it if it's not reported already, as a bug for that kernel package. They'll probably want output of "lspci -nv". |
| 20:23.16 | jelly-home | sam__: in the meantime you can try booting the old kernel |
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| 20:25.16 | sam__ | sorry what do you mean 'kernel package' alsa? |
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| 20:26.06 | jelly-home | sam__: no, the package for your current kernel. |
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| 20:26.24 | sam__ | ok |
| 20:26.25 | jelly-home | sam__: linux-image-`uname -r` |
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| 20:29.09 | bolt | When I hold Alt Gr and press 2, I get @ (like I should) in aterm, but in all other applications, it seems, including pidgin, xchat and icedove, doing that actually spells out "AT" in the input box. What gives? |
| 20:29.24 | AvengerX | sam__: did you check if snd-hda-intel appeared on lsmod after modprobing it? |
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| 20:30.29 | jmichaelx | is it possible with the net install to choose a desktop other than knome? such as xfce or fluxbox? |
| 20:30.43 | dondelelcaro | jmichaelx: yes |
| 20:30.47 | jmichaelx | ty |
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| 20:30.57 | jmichaelx | gnome* |
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| 20:32.27 | pike_ | egads i just noticed sshd_config allows root login by default.. |
| 20:32.33 | DawnLight[ | i'm having a little trouble with the packaging system after killing aptitude in the middle of an upgrade. http://paste.debian.net/38896 |
| 20:33.18 | \amethyst | pike_: this is mentioned in README.Debian |
| 20:34.06 | xand | pike_: yes, it's a bit silly |
| 20:34.16 | pike_ | well.. still i mean something like that you dont enable by default then put in readme. you disable and put in readme howto enable |
| 20:34.20 | DustyBin | i run a website and was wondering if there is a simple, light weight tool i could install to give me some stats on how many people have logged into it |
| 20:34.23 | \amethyst | pike_: it can be the only way to fix a broken pam config when you don't have physical access |
| 20:34.43 | dondelelcaro | pike_: assuming you've picked a good root password, it's not like it gains you any additional security |
| 20:34.44 | keith4 | pike_: ssh isn't installed by default... and if you have a weak root password, you're already asking for trouble |
| 20:34.49 | sepski | DustyBin, at a given time ? or you mean webstatistics |
| 20:34.55 | pike_ | i guess its something i should be checking anyway. shouldnt rely on default config files |
| 20:35.04 | dkr | DustyBin: awstats |
| 20:35.07 | keith4 | is awstats still icky? |
| 20:35.23 | sepski | awstats works nice 4 me |
| 20:35.46 | DustyBin | yes web stats |
| 20:35.48 | \amethyst | pike_: Also, su doesn't (by default) require membership in group wheel to become root |
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| 20:36.00 | DustyBin | aye ill take a look at awstats, thanks :D |
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| 20:36.12 | dondelelcaro | (you'd probably find something like fail2ban more useful at blocking the sorts of attacks that would matter for root login, anyway) |
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| 20:36.58 | lgc | How can I send stdout and stderr to a pipe? Thanks. |
| 20:37.09 | dondelelcaro | foo 2>&1 | bar |
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| 20:37.56 | Piet | apt-listbugs reports: Error retrieving bug reports from the server with the following error message: W: unsupported proxy `false' |
| 20:37.57 | kantor | somebody is using the sid development version here ? |
| 20:38.07 | Piet | where can i remove this 'false'? |
| 20:38.08 | kantor | kantor> somebody is using the sid development version here ? |
| 20:38.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell kantor -about ask |
| 20:38.43 | dondelelcaro | Piet: do you have HTTP_PROXY or similar set? |
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| 20:39.23 | Piet | $ set |grep HTTP_PROXY |
| 20:39.23 | Piet | HTTP_PROXY= |
| 20:39.39 | masus | !dpkg tell masus kernel |
| 20:39.43 | masus | :) |
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| 20:39.49 | Juul_ | does anyone know of something that gives me remote video+keyboard+mouse (like TightVNC) and also audio? |
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| 20:40.18 | lgc | dondelelcaro, thanks, I thought I did that before, but I must've done something wrong. It works now. :) |
| 20:40.30 | kantor | !tell sid |
| 20:40.33 | nootoyahora | Juul_, ltsp (linux terminal server project) and I think X (but don't know if audio) |
| 20:40.59 | masus | !tell masus about kernel |
| 20:40.59 | Piet | dondelelcaro: ^^ so i guess not. am i missing a different way to find out? |
| 20:41.00 | xand | it doesn't but there's a thing that does |
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| 20:41.57 | Juul_ | k |
| 20:42.00 | masus | nootoyahora: probem with sounds on ltsp ? |
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| 20:42.49 | kantor | !tell windows |
| 20:43.13 | kantor | !debian |
| 20:43.13 | dpkg | i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 20:43.15 | nootoyahora | masus: I don't know, I think no problem, but ltsp is onlya x-terminals ;D |
| 20:43.34 | kantor | ! debian |
| 20:43.34 | dpkg | it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 20:43.48 | kantor | ! dpkg |
| 20:43.48 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 20:44.00 | kantor | ! windows |
| 20:44.00 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 20:44.11 | kantor | ! zynaddsubfx |
| 20:44.20 | Piet | kantor: you can also query dpkg directly (PM) |
| 20:44.40 | AvengerX | Well, gotta close this wnd |
| 20:44.45 | AvengerX | thanks for all help, and cya |
| 20:45.24 | kantor | I just want to ask what are the installed (auto removable) programs, what that means ? |
| 20:45.49 | kantor | because I have upgraded from etch to sid and now I have some packets in that filed |
| 20:45.54 | kantor | in synaptic |
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| 20:46.31 | DawnLight[ | i'm having a little trouble with the packaging system after killing aptitude in the middle of an upgrade. http://paste.debian.net/38896 |
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| 20:48.18 | masus | Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use. |
| 20:48.27 | masus | how to fix this ? |
| 20:48.40 | protoloco | im making a Virtual machine with a mail server, +spamsassain + mysql +courier +amavis how much ram should i take ?? |
| 20:48.51 | masus | i have compiled a new kernel "/usr/src/linux" |
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| 20:49.52 | |Jeff| | ok... thx for help!!!... |
| 20:49.55 | |Jeff| | Bye... |
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| 20:51.27 | Piet | DawnLight[: there's still some sub process of your previous aptitude run running |
| 20:51.39 | Piet | that's why the file is locked |
| 20:51.53 | DawnLight[ | Piet: no way. i've restarted the system |
| 20:52.23 | masus | Bad kernel version specification at /usr/bin/m-a line 566, <$apt> line 7. |
| 20:52.27 | masus | ? anyone an idea |
| 20:52.52 | masus | m-a auto-install --kernel-dir /usr/src/linux/ netfilter-extensions-source |
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| 20:53.46 | stew | masus: are you trying to compile it for the currently running kernel? or for some other kernel? |
| 20:54.03 | masus | for currently running |
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| 20:54.08 | stew | masus: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:54.19 | masus | 2.6.18-ipset |
| 20:54.31 | stew | masus: did you build that kernel with make-kpkg? |
| 20:54.41 | masus | i don't remember |
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| 20:55.01 | stew | masus: do you have the source tree where you compiled that kernel on this machine? |
| 20:55.02 | masus | i have to do make-kpkg ? |
| 20:55.07 | stew | no, but you should |
| 20:55.17 | masus | "/usr/src/linux" |
| 20:55.19 | stew | masus: i mean you should have when you compiled it, now it doesn't matter |
| 20:55.28 | dakoo | why is it that when i use etch in sources.list it works but when i use stable it doe snot |
| 20:55.36 | masus | here is it "/usr/src/linux" |
| 20:55.44 | stew | masus: ln -s /usr/src/linux /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build ; m-a a-i netfilter-extensions |
| 20:56.05 | stew | masus: btw, it is recommended that you NOT use /usr/src/linux, but something like /usr/src/linux-$version |
| 20:56.10 | goat|work | anyone know of issues with iptables v 1.3.6 and kernel 2.6.22_arm ? |
| 20:56.17 | masus | stew:Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use. |
| 20:56.26 | Piet | DawnLight[: lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 20:56.49 | stew | masus: you need the source directory that was used to build the kernel, or you need a -headers debian package |
| 20:57.28 | Piet | DawnLight: or use: fuser -v /var/cahce/debconf/config.dat |
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| 20:57.52 | Mr_Bunny_ | How do I install full kernel sources? |
| 20:57.54 | masus | i have install a -headers debian package |
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| 20:57.56 | masus | If the running kernel has been shipped with the Debian distribution, please install the package linux-headers-2.6.18-ipset. If your kernel source tree (or headers) is located in some non-usual location, please set the KERNELDIRS environment variable to the path of this directory, or (alternatively) specify the source directory we build for withthe --kernel-dir option in module-assistant calls. |
| 20:58.07 | masus | apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-5 |
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| 20:58.35 | stew | masus: no, linux-headers-2.6.18-5 would be correct if you were running 2.6.8-5 but you are running 2.6.18-ipset |
| 20:59.04 | pike_ | im thinking of going the whole sudo route on my debian box and passwd -l root as it seems easier than implementing wheel which i really like on freebsd. any thoughts? |
| 20:59.05 | masus | hot to install 2.6.18-ipset it's only an alias name |
| 20:59.11 | stew | masus: so you either need the source tree where you compiled yoru kernel, or you need the linux-headers-2.6.18-ipset package which was possibly created when you comiled it |
| 20:59.22 | masus | hmm |
| 20:59.26 | masus | i'll see |
| 20:59.45 | stew | masus: what does 'cat /usr/src/linux/include/linux/utsrelease.h' return? |
| 21:00.06 | masus | no file or directory |
| 21:00.15 | stew | masus: then /usr/src/linux is not the correct directory |
| 21:00.15 | Mr_Bunny_ | I'm trying to compile alsa stuff from source, and ./configure tells me I need full kernel sources. What do I install/download? |
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| 21:00.39 | nkuttler | dakoo: no useful error messages? |
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| 21:00.59 | masus | stew : u are right |
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| 21:01.25 | masus | stew : after m-a he destroy the linux link |
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| 21:01.41 | dakoo | nkuttler: the normal ones when your lists are broken you know in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial and you have to delete pkgcache.bin srcpkgcache.bin |
| 21:01.48 | dakoo | nkuttler: let me get the error |
| 21:01.55 | masus | stew:#define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.18" |
| 21:02.13 | stew | masus: that's not the right one either, you are looking for one that says 2.6.18-ipset |
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| 21:03.12 | masus | ok i'll try, Thank U. |
| 21:03.30 | stew | masus: or you need compile another kernel, or use a debian kernel |
| 21:03.52 | stew | masus: and if you compile another kernel, you should do it with make-kpkg, (which can create a -headers pacakge) |
| 21:05.04 | protoloco | libmysqlclient10-dev <-- what could be the new package ?? |
| 21:05.07 | masus | oki |
| 21:05.07 | dakoo | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/m54f09dd5 |
| 21:05.25 | protoloco | cuz i need it.. and in the tutorial says that package.. but there is no such pacakge.. |
| 21:05.37 | abrotman | 12 or 15 |
| 21:05.44 | abrotman | apt-cache search libmysqlclient |
| 21:05.51 | dakoo | nkuttler: i would get those when i do update or dist-upgrade, or just plain apt-cache search, it would also get seg faults |
| 21:05.59 | dakoo | nkuttler: changed it to etch and it worked fine |
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| 21:06.10 | masus | stew:what is the easyest way to build a kernel |
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| 21:06.54 | stew | masus: the easiest way is to not build one, and use one that debian built for you |
| 21:06.59 | sepski | !make-kpkg |
| 21:06.59 | dpkg | i guess make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 21:07.13 | stew | masus: though if you insist on building one read that ^^^ and /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 21:07.13 | Mr_Bunny_ | I'm compiling alsa stuff from source, and ./configure tells me I need full kernel sources. What do I install or download? |
| 21:07.22 | stew | maggito: happy friday |
| 21:07.32 | masus | stew: thank u |
| 21:07.51 | muszek | hi... how do I change default editor? for some reason crontab opens up mcedit and it drives me nuts. it appears to be system-wide setting (new users also play with mcedit). |
| 21:07.57 | dakoo | masus: make menuconfig; make; make modules_install; make install; mkinitramfs mkinit_img <ker number>; vim /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:08.21 | damog | stew: we _needed_ the weekend, yes, thanks. |
| 21:08.28 | damog | long weekend, isn't it? |
| 21:08.36 | abrotman | for some people |
| 21:08.38 | stew | damog: for many |
| 21:08.43 | stew | for vireo, it is |
| 21:08.50 | damog | yay, enjoy it :) |
| 21:08.52 | nkuttler | dakoo: no idea. i guess you checked all the possibilities the error gave you? |
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| 21:09.36 | dakoo | nkuttler: yeag, just googling it now to see, many people have seg faults, they fix it by rm'ing those bin files or deleteing the lists |
| 21:09.48 | dakoo | nkuttler: i'm keep testing and see what happened |
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| 21:10.43 | synak | muszek; export VISUAL=nano |
| 21:10.44 | muszek | synak: thanks |
| 21:11.27 | Mr_Bunny_ | how do I install full kernel sources? |
| 21:11.38 | Mr_Bunny_ | alsa is says I don't have them and that I need them to compile the alsa-drivers |
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| 21:11.43 | nico__ | hi |
| 21:11.50 | LightKnight | apt-get install linux-sources-xxx |
| 21:12.06 | LightKnight | Mr_Bunny_: linux-headers are enough to compile |
| 21:12.11 | Mr_Bunny_ | I've tried that, it's still complaining. :\ |
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| 21:12.19 | Mr_Bunny_ | should I reboot? |
| 21:12.25 | LightKnight | did you unzip them too? |
| 21:12.33 | nkuttler | muszek: what is launched when you run editor? |
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| 21:12.51 | DawnLight[ | Piet: frontend 13624 root 4rW REG 3,1 78560 1590089 /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 21:13.08 | Mr_Bunny_ | as in "linux-headers-2.6.18-4-486 is already the newest version." kinda thing |
| 21:13.17 | Mr_Bunny_ | unzip them? |
| 21:13.26 | LightKnight | nkuttler: /etc/alternatives/editor has a link pointing to the editor |
| 21:13.29 | LightKnight | Mr_Bunny_: yes |
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| 21:13.36 | Mr_Bunny_ | how would I do that? |
| 21:13.38 | nkuttler | Mr_Bunny_: it said yources |
| 21:13.38 | Mr_Bunny_ | and where? |
| 21:13.45 | nkuttler | LightKnight: so? |
| 21:13.48 | LightKnight | Mr_Bunny_: /usr/src |
| 21:13.53 | LightKnight | nkuttler: check what you have |
| 21:14.03 | LightKnight | nkuttler: ls -l /etc/alternatives/editor |
| 21:14.14 | nkuttler | LightKnight: you're confused. i know about alternatives |
| 21:14.34 | nico__ | if i want to use pinning to set a higher priority to stable in regard to testing, and a higher to the security updates from stable in regard to the ones from testing, do i need to use two entries in the preferences file to differenciate the "normal" stable/testing repositories from the "security" ones, or do just one "Pin: release a=stable" and one "Pin: release a=testing" suffice? |
| 21:14.39 | Mr_Bunny_ | LightKnight: thanks |
| 21:14.42 | LightKnight | nkuttler: OK. /usr/bin/editor points to /etc/alternatives/editor which itself points to... |
| 21:14.50 | muszek | nkuttler: muszek's account (I ran export VISUAL=vim on it) I have no idea what runs... it just skips to the next line. On any other account, mcedit runs. |
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| 21:15.11 | LightKnight | nkuttler: ehm. OK, I misinterpreted :) |
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| 21:15.44 | nkuttler | muszek: man update-alternatives |
| 21:16.09 | muszek | nkuttler: thanks, but after synak's advice I'm fine |
| 21:16.27 | Nihill | someone has offered me an old pentium pro motherboard should I take it or not bother? |
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| 21:17.01 | nkuttler | Nihill: well, do you need it? |
| 21:17.14 | Nihill | not really |
| 21:17.17 | ChrisW | hey all, what does a cron line look like that runs a cron job once every 2 hours? |
| 21:17.21 | Mr_Bunny_ | Nihill: why turn down hardware? if it works you could at least do something with it. |
| 21:17.39 | Mr_Bunny_ | ChrisW: 2/* in the hour line I think |
| 21:17.43 | nkuttler | ChrisW: man 5 crontab |
| 21:18.09 | Nihill | Mr_Bunny_, I know but I got given a pentium 2 about a month ago and I havent decided what to use it for |
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| 21:18.34 | ChrisW | cool, thanks :-) |
| 21:18.36 | Mr_Bunny_ | Nihill: if all else fails you could crunch boinc units on it for folding@home or something |
| 21:18.48 | Nihill | yea |
| 21:18.51 | Mr_Bunny_ | ChrisW: might be the other way around not sure |
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| 21:19.00 | DustyBin | do you guys run your terminal in full screen |
| 21:19.05 | Nihill | It breaks my heart to see good stuff being thrown away |
| 21:19.08 | DustyBin | and use tabs |
| 21:19.12 | stew | Nihill: donate it to a charity that will send it to an underdeveloped country |
| 21:19.12 | DustyBin | and screen |
| 21:19.34 | Nihill | what can they use such an old setup for? |
| 21:20.28 | Mr_Bunny_ | Nihill: something's better than nothing at all |
| 21:20.51 | stew | Nihill: sending email |
| 21:23.12 | DawnLight[ | i'm having a little trouble with the packaging system after killing aptitude in the middle of an upgrade. http://paste.debian.net/38896. this is after a restart |
| 21:24.30 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight[: something is running which has locked /var/cache/debconf/config.dat; use ps to see what it could be |
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| 21:24.58 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight[: then run dpkg --configure -a; to resume once you've killed whichever debconf process has a lock open |
| 21:25.42 | stew | dondelelcaro: he claims to have rebooted since the problem started, and it persisted across reboots |
| 21:25.46 | aphexer | anyone has a pointer on how to boot from a debian installation on an extern usb harddrive? |
| 21:26.23 | dondelelcaro | well, if it's persisting, then there's a .lock file or similar in that directory |
| 21:26.51 | dondelelcaro | (I haven't bothered to check how debconf does locking, but it's either using a .lock file or a flock |
| 21:27.08 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 21:27.13 | HardDisk_WP | could http://pastebin.ca/727240 mean I got haxxored |
| 21:27.16 | HardDisk_WP | ? |
| 21:27.17 | DawnLight[ | there isn't any lock file, dondelelcaro |
| 21:27.28 | HardDisk_WP | these kind of log gets daily at same time into auth.log |
| 21:27.52 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: that's probably logrotate running |
| 21:28.07 | Grueber | good heavens, almost 800 in here today |
| 21:28.20 | HardDisk_WP | does logrotate have a logfile? |
| 21:28.28 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight[: use lsof or fuser to see what else has that file open; if nothing does, move the config.dat away |
| 21:28.36 | Nihill | why does it keep coming up with updates of the same linux-image? |
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| 21:30.46 | DawnLight[ | dondelelcaro: frontend 13624 root 4rW REG 3,1 78560 1590089 /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
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| 21:31.57 | Asmodee` | Is it possible to add an LVM to a RAID5 array? I've tried setting the lvm /dev/vg/lv's partition type to linux raid auto detect, but when I try mdadm --add /dev/md1 /dev/vg/lv I get error 3 invalid argument |
| 21:32.35 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight[: so whatever that process is is the problem |
| 21:32.46 | zoredache | Asmodee`: that seems backwards... shouldn't you be putting the lvm on the raid5? |
| 21:32.53 | xand | HardDisk_WP: that's normal |
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| 21:33.25 | tempboy | i have a serial gprs modem that stores connection info and connects upon power on. how can i connect it to my linux box to browse the web? |
| 21:33.40 | zoredache | I have had lvm setup on several software raids... but I have never setup raid with alvm device a member |
| 21:33.42 | tempboy | i can verify that the box has an ip address by using minicom /dev/ttyS0 |
| 21:33.56 | HardDisk_WP | xand, ok...but how can I verfiy to be sure? |
| 21:33.57 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight[: as the debconf frontend should not be running unless you're running debconf or somethign similar. |
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| 21:34.53 | Asmodee` | zoredache: normally people put LVM on RAID5, but I have a very specific reason for wanting to do this.. My RAID5 array consists of 500GB disks. I have an LVM created of 2x250GB disks and I want to add it as a virtual disk to my RAID5 array. |
| 21:35.04 | DawnLight[ | dondelelcaro: this is after a restart. i don't know how debconf works, and what the frontend process is. man frontend doesn't give me anything. |
| 21:35.32 | Asmodee` | I'm thinking it's probably possible by creating a loopback device from the LVM and then adding the loopback device to the RAID5, but I'm thinking there may be a better way. |
| 21:35.34 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight[: the frontend is the process that asks questions using debconf; it shouldn't be running. |
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| 21:35.47 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight[: kill it off, and then rerun dpkg --configure -a. |
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| 21:36.24 | maddash | can anyone recommend a super simple and lightweight httpd? |
| 21:36.26 | DawnLight[ | dondelelcaro: why is it running after a restart? |
| 21:36.55 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight[: I've no idea; it's your machine. Look at the output of ps axfu; or similar to get an idea of what started it |
| 21:36.57 | stew | second-stage? |
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| 21:37.35 | jelly-home | maddash: lighter than lighttpd? |
| 21:37.40 | dondelelcaro | stew: possible; didn't know this was a new install |
| 21:37.43 | jeffwheeler | In Synaptic, is there any way to see the changes for upgrades like are displayed in Update Manager? |
| 21:38.14 | maddash | jelly-home: good question. I'll get back to you after I try it. |
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| 21:38.31 | stew | dondelelcaro: i don't either, it's just the only thing that comes to mind as a debconf process that starts at boot |
| 21:38.40 | dkr | jeffwheeler: status button, then choose 'installed (upgradeable)' I think |
| 21:39.11 | jelly-home | maddash: it has "light" in the name! :-) I guess that's precedence for calling something a "Completely Fair Scheduler"... |
| 21:39.14 | dkr | jeffwheeler: oh, you mean the changelog for a particular upgradeable package? |
| 21:39.18 | tempboy | any takers? |
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| 21:39.39 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah |
| 21:39.59 | ma3x | how do I view cpu's temp. ? |
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| 21:40.51 | jelly-home | ma3x: if you're lucky, check that module "thermal" is loaded, then use "acpi" command |
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| 21:42.20 | ma3x | jelly-home, acpi is loaded but it always shows 75 degree which is not correct |
| 21:43.06 | maddash | wtf? only root can listen on port <1024, so how can one expect to run a normal webserver w/o root? |
| 21:43.08 | chinasky | hello, i cannot start ftp server: /etc/init.d/proftpd start---->ProFTPd is started from inetd/xinetd..Thanks |
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| 21:44.32 | DawnLight[ | dondelelcaro: killed frontend. configured -a. fixed. thanks! |
| 21:44.46 | jelly-home | ma3x: means you're not that lucky, then |
| 21:44.53 | nkuttler | maddash: why would a user want to do that? |
| 21:44.59 | jelly-home | ma3x: next easiest thing to try is mbmon |
| 21:45.11 | dkr | chinasky: so make sure xineted is running. :) |
| 21:45.39 | jelly-home | !temp |
| 21:45.45 | jelly-home | !temperature |
| 21:45.45 | dpkg | from memory, temperature is somewhere above 0 Kelvin |
| 21:45.56 | jelly-home | dpkg: you're SO useful sometimes |
| 21:46.01 | xand | dkr: debian has inetd |
| 21:46.01 | Grueber | hehe |
| 21:46.12 | jelly-home | dpkg, forget temperature |
| 21:46.12 | dpkg | jelly-home: i forgot temperature |
| 21:46.21 | jeffwheeler | dkr: yeah, the changes |
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| 21:46.36 | ma3x | jelly-home, o Hardware Monitor found!! |
| 21:46.36 | ma3x | InitMBInfo: Success |
| 21:46.38 | chinasky | dkr: thanks!! |
| 21:46.44 | dkr | jeffwheeler: dunno. I use C key in aptitude for that. :) |
| 21:46.51 | nkuttler | jelly-home: /msg dpkg listvals temperature ? |
| 21:47.15 | jelly-home | nkuttler: doing it as we speak :-) |
| 21:47.32 | jeffwheeler | dkr: mmmk, I'll keep Googling, but I suspect it just hasn't been built in |
| 21:48.15 | ma3x | I already tried the sensors, won't work! |
| 21:48.24 | ma3x | they always show 75 too |
| 21:48.38 | geo-rge | mine always show 42 |
| 21:48.40 | jelly-home | ma3x: setting up lm_sensors is PITA |
| 21:48.48 | dkr | jeffwheeler: uhm, it took me 3 seconds of looking to find the option afetr I opened synaptic |
| 21:48.56 | ma3x | jelly, what's pita |
| 21:48.59 | dkr | jeffwheeler: in package menue, "download changelog" |
| 21:48.59 | jelly-home | !pita |
| 21:49.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 21:49.03 | geo-rge | a sandwich |
| 21:49.30 | ma3x | jelly-home, that's what im talking about, i dont like those lmsensors |
| 21:49.34 | ma3x | now is there another thing to try |
| 21:49.43 | jelly-home | it's also "pie" in my language but I obviously didn't mean that |
| 21:50.40 | geo-rge | oh, a pita pie! |
| 21:50.46 | jelly-home | ma3x: googling for sensors, linux and your mobo model didn't return anything useful? |
| 21:51.01 | jelly-home | geo-rge: no, pita == pie |
| 21:52.00 | ma3x | jelly, how do you run that mbmon thing? with what switch? |
| 21:52.14 | jeffwheeler | dkr: doh, thank you |
| 21:52.15 | jelly-home | ma3x: try every one :-) |
| 21:52.17 | chemist | is this the food channel? I must be in the wrong place! |
| 21:52.59 | nico__ | any apt-pinning pro that can explain something to me? |
| 21:53.22 | jelly-home | nico__: ask and see if someone answers |
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| 21:55.09 | jelly-home | ma3x: is it a laptop? |
| 21:55.10 | nico__ | let's say that i want to tweak /etc/apt/preferences in such a way that stable>testing, and that the security updates from stable > sec-updates testing... do i need seperate entries for [branch] and [branch]/updates? |
| 21:55.25 | ma3x | jelly-home, yes |
| 21:55.33 | vasuvi | How do you get grub.conf to be auto-generated? I already used aptitude to install the kernel and grub, but the stage files weren't even put into /boot/grub |
| 21:55.57 | nico__ | or will "Pin: release a=stable" apply to both the "normal" stable repos and the "security updates" stable repos ? |
| 21:56.00 | jelly-home | ma3x: there are additional acpi modules for some brands (ibm/lenovo, sony, toshiba, maybe others) |
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| 21:56.17 | vasuvi | (in a debootstrap install btw, if you're wondering why it wasn't there in the first place) |
| 21:56.53 | ma3x | jelly-home, where do i find them out? |
| 21:57.31 | jelly-home | nico__: I'm _guessing_ to all the repos that have Suite: stable in the Releases file (and that includes security.d.o) |
| 21:58.21 | nico__ | "Suite"? |
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| 22:00.43 | maddash | wtf wtf wtf vsftpd postrm script requires update-inetd, but update-inetd isn't even a dependency |
| 22:00.56 | jelly-home | nico__: take a look at /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release |
| 22:00.57 | farhan | ? |
| 22:01.25 | maddash | just great. |
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| 22:01.47 | jelly-home | maddash: sounds like someone cares not for rc bugs |
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| 22:03.28 | maddash | wtf? you can't reinstall a package from aptitude's graphical frontend? |
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| 22:04.09 | dondelelcaro | maddash: you can, it's L |
| 22:04.14 | dondelelcaro | maddash: hit ? if you forget |
| 22:04.57 | maddash | dondelelcaro: that's not in any of the menus |
| 22:05.11 | dondelelcaro | maddash: it's in the online help |
| 22:05.21 | maddash | argh |
| 22:05.30 | maddash | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 22:05.32 | dondelelcaro | maddash: and that's a bug in vsftpd's postrm, because Dependencies aren't required to be present during purge |
| 22:05.40 | dondelelcaro | (or removal) |
| 22:06.03 | dondelelcaro | expecting anything but Essential: yes packages to be there is buggy |
| 22:06.16 | fas3r | hello every body |
| 22:06.18 | maddash | dondelelcaro: yes, I know. I never had update-inetd, and BOTH vsftpd's preinst and postrm scripts required update-inetd -- how stupid is that? |
| 22:06.23 | fas3r | someone use accounting table with freeradius ? it just i don't find the schema of this table ... :( ? |
| 22:06.42 | dondelelcaro | maddash: huh; well, hopefully someone filed a bug about it |
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| 22:12.37 | nico__ | hmm... let's say i want to use stable (because i like to have security updates and don't need the new fancy features of program X) but need an app that doesn't exist for stable... would you recommend to apt-pin it from testing, or use a backport? |
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| 22:13.39 | nico__ | ("X" meaning "insert program name here", not "X Window System") |
| 22:13.51 | dkr | backport is preferable if it exists, obviously |
| 22:14.14 | nico__ | security updates are not applied to backports are they? |
| 22:14.55 | dkr | not by the stable security team, btu they would get any updates that testing version of the app would get, including security updates |
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| 22:16.26 | nico__ | hm ok |
| 22:18.15 | themill | nico__: you can either use backports from backports.org or make your own. /msg dpkg backports.org /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 22:18.50 | themill | nico__: in the latter case, you would be responsible for doing your own security support by upgrading to a newer release from sid if needed. |
| 22:20.06 | Supaplex | nico__: testing has security updates to |
| 22:20.17 | nico__ | why do they use "etch-backports" as the branch name instead of "stable-backports"? if i understood correctly, the latter is better to keep the system up to date with "stable" even after it doesn't mean "etch" anymore, isn't it? |
| 22:20.33 | Supaplex | but there's no guarantee testing and stable will comingle nicely, even with pinning. you're better off using backports |
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| 22:21.03 | Supaplex | yes, stable+testing names change when a new release is of age. |
| 22:21.05 | nico__ | Supaplex, yup i've read that (though i've read they are kinda lagging behind stable) but i didn't know that the backports got the same security updates than testing |
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| 22:21.42 | themill | nico__: when lenny becomes stable, packages in etch-backports will be incompatible with lenny (just as they are now) so the packages have to be etch-backports not stable-backports. |
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| 22:22.06 | Supaplex | I'm not sure how backports competes with security updates. |
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| 22:23.10 | nico__ | themill, oh i see... but it doesn't cause any problem that i mix "etch" backports with "stable" debian repos does it? (i replaced all "etch" by "stable" in my sources.list) |
| 22:23.44 | karsten | ... as opposed to the canned, frozen, and dry varieties. |
| 22:23.52 | nico__ | (except for the backports line which is not in the sources.list yet, it'll keep "etch" for that one) |
| 22:23.53 | themill | nico__: you should stick with "etch" not "stable" in sources.list to save yourself nasty surprises when lenny becomes stable. |
| 22:24.06 | Supaplex | karsten: I spun it today, vs using one I've had around hehe |
| 22:24.27 | themill | nico__: there are lot of people who had "stable" not "sarge" in their sources.list who got a very nasty surprise when etch was released. |
| 22:24.27 | nico__ | ah :-/ |
| 22:24.38 | Sebboh | I normally use samba to give my windows boxen direct application-level access to files on my debian boxen. By application-level, I mean, I can open \\box\user\somefile.txt in notepad, and save it, etc, and it JustWorks. Well... Is there another way to do this? I read about a non-free windows app called sftpdrive.. But, is there a free alternative? |
| 22:24.41 | nico__ | themill, what's the point of having both? |
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| 22:25.03 | nico__ | (i mean a "stable" and a "whatever is the name of the current stable") |
| 22:25.10 | Supaplex | Sebboh: you could map a samba share to a drive letter |
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| 22:26.05 | themill | nico__: the temporal names are important for indicating what the state of play is while the release names are important for indicating an actual release. The temporal names used to be more useful as it used to be as simple as apt-get dist-upgrade; it's just not any more. |
| 22:26.07 | nico__ | themill, can i use "testing" or do i have to replace it by the current codename too? |
| 22:26.08 | Sebboh | Supaplex, sorry, that's not really what I'm looking for at all. I want to not use samba at all. |
| 22:26.12 | DocPlatypus | Sebboh: you can't usually use Notepad to edit files with Unix line endings |
| 22:26.18 | DocPlatypus | you'd need to use Vim |
| 22:26.22 | Supaplex | karsten: because you didn't use debian live? :) |
| 22:26.24 | antler | which kernel does etch come with? |
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| 22:26.36 | karsten | Supaplex: Hrm. There's a thought. |
| 22:26.43 | karsten | antler: Linux ;-) |
| 22:26.45 | Sebboh | DocPlatypus, thanks for the tip. My question is about file sharing technology, not dos/unix linefeeds. |
| 22:26.56 | karsten | s |
| 22:27.01 | nico__ | themill, uh wait i don't need testing in the sources.list anymore... if i don't do pinning |
| 22:27.02 | themill | nico__: you could stay with "testing" always, but you'd probably want to stick with lenny when it first releases anyway, as testing can be pretty turbulent just after a release. |
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| 22:27.02 | Supaplex | Sebboh: ok. but why sftp vs samba for a windows client? |
| 22:27.09 | antler | karsten: how about a numeric answer? |
| 22:27.09 | penguin | What command do you use to make sure an image is copied correctly? |
| 22:27.13 | DocPlatypus | and yeah you're looking at running Samba on the GNU/Linux box |
| 22:27.18 | Supaplex | antler: 42 |
| 22:27.21 | karsten | antler: 42 |
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| 22:27.37 | antler | ok. thanks |
| 22:27.39 | themill | antler: 2.6.18 |
| 22:27.57 | antler | themill: thanks |
| 22:28.08 | DocPlatypus | antler: 3.14159 ? |
| 22:28.09 | themill | penguin: an iso image? |
| 22:28.14 | rance | hey guys, I just downloaded and installed debian 4.0r1 amd64 via netinst cd image, that went well, and now im kind of stuck, I know what I need to so to fix this problem in other linux distros, but debian seems to be enough different, im confused -- the problem is that scanimage -L run as root can detect the scanner, but scanimage -L non-root can not. I cant find the debian equal to the devfs.conf file so that my scanner devic |
| 22:28.14 | rance | e is created at boot with the right user perms, what Im ai missing? |
| 22:28.22 | DocPlatypus | okay, I'm off the wall this afternoon. |
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| 22:28.39 | Sebboh | Supaplex, DocPlatypus, I don't want to run samba. It is problematic. I can use fish:// between *nix boxen, hell, I use fish:// for my iphone. But windows doesn't have fuse? Is there any way I can have filesharing from linux-->windows without samab? |
| 22:28.39 | penguin | an iso image |
| 22:28.41 | moqq | !simple sid backports |
| 22:28.41 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 22:28.48 | penguin | cksum or md5sum? |
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| 22:29.03 | themill | penguin: md5sum yourfile.iso |
| 22:29.08 | DocPlatypus | Sebboh: maybe an NFS client on the Windows box, can't say I like much though |
| 22:29.21 | themill | penguin: and compare that to the md5 listed on the page that you downloaded it from. |
| 22:29.26 | karsten | antler: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#s-kernel-changes |
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| 22:29.37 | karsten | antler: Or RTFIM. |
| 22:29.42 | vlt | Hello. How can I read the UUID of a file system from shell (if I don't have /usr/bin/vol_id)? Is there a program in e2tools? |
| 22:29.48 | DocPlatypus | that's fraught with problems, Unix is inherently case-sensitive and Windows is completely case-insensitive |
| 22:29.55 | Sebboh | DocPlatypus, .. yes, nfs. might be worse than samba though. :) |
| 22:30.01 | themill | rance: are you in the group "scanner"? |
| 22:30.03 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Not strictly true. |
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| 22:30.21 | amphi | vlt: vol_id(8) ? |
| 22:30.23 | DocPlatypus | maybe in Vista that's *finally* fixed, I haven't kept score with what each version of Windows has |
| 22:30.35 | AvengerX | gee, i've just downloaded debian CD1 for amd64, and still can't boot from it |
| 22:30.37 | rance | probably not, but thats what I was trying to check on, I couldnt even find the device file to see how it was created |
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| 22:30.46 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Widnows *is* case sensitive in creating directory entries, but is insensitive in accessing them, and only allows a single instance of a given case-squashed name of existing. |
| 22:30.53 | karsten | DocPlatypus: </pedantic> |
| 22:30.56 | themill | Sebboh: there are nfs clients for windoze |
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| 22:31.03 | rance | themill: if all i need to do is add myself to the scanner group, then consider it done |
| 22:31.42 | DocPlatypus | karsten: right, as a practical matter, that's case-insensitive |
| 22:31.44 | themill | rance: it's a long time since I played with a scanner, but that should be all you need.... no frigging with devfs stuff should be necessary, particularly as etch doesn't use devfs ;) |
| 22:31.53 | karsten | DocPlatypus: And my most recent experience is largely Win2K/XP/S2K. |
| 22:32.07 | rance | themill; now thats what I needed to know |
| 22:32.13 | moqq | what should i use for a sid deb-src line in sources.list ? |
| 22:32.15 | DocPlatypus | karsten: can you repeat that in English? |
| 22:32.16 | antler | karsten: you present a great first impression of the debian community for me. |
| 22:32.17 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Well, the details matter, as you can find yourself in some interesting situations if you don't understand the actual behavior. |
| 22:32.26 | DocPlatypus | because I have no idea what the hell that is |
| 22:32.26 | nvz | moqq: do you actually download sources? |
| 22:32.35 | karsten | antler: Cool, we'll see you back then? |
| 22:32.59 | moqq | nvz: i'm following what dpkg responded with for backports |
| 22:33.04 | karsten | antler: What I meant to say in a slightly more verbose form was "the information you requested is in the Debian installation manual, which you should read, or at least check, before asking in channel". |
| 22:33.05 | antler | karsten: perhaps, but i think you're a little arrogant kid. ;-) |
| 22:33.13 | moqq | nvz: there's no ant 1.7 backport, but ant 1.7 is in sid |
| 22:33.15 | Tramp | vlt: tune2fs -l |
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| 22:33.16 | antler | looking for a quick answer |
| 22:33.18 | karsten | antler: Big arrogant adult, but close enough. |
| 22:33.19 | moqq | nvz: and i have etch |
| 22:33.19 | nvz | moqq: all debian package mirrors contain source packages. you just use the same uri with deb-source |
| 22:33.28 | nvz | er deb-src |
| 22:33.44 | nico__ | what if backports.org doesn't have the package i need but i found it on people.debian.org? is it safe to install?? |
| 22:33.50 | nico__ | -? |
| 22:33.54 | abrotman | nico__: depends |
| 22:33.59 | themill | antler: we like to help people, that's why we're here, but we also like people to help themselves. Some people are more forceful than others in expressing that opinion. |
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| 22:34.20 | nvz | nico__: depends on what the dependencies are |
| 22:34.33 | moqq | nvz: where can i find that URI? |
| 22:34.33 | nico__ | no idea :-/ |
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| 22:34.40 | nvz | moqq: in your sources.list |
| 22:34.49 | moqq | i have etch though |
| 22:34.58 | nvz | moqq: what's your point? |
| 22:34.59 | antler | themill: really no big deal. i was just looking for a quick answer. it wasn't as if i was asking how to install software |
| 22:35.03 | penguin | What is difference between cksum and md5sum? |
| 22:35.08 | karsten | antler: One of the nice features of Debian, particularly once it's installed, is that it's pretty easy to either query your local packaging system for what's installed (dpkg, apt-cache, aptitude) or the project's archives for what's available ("/msg dpkg ask" in IRC for more info). |
| 22:35.17 | nvz | moqq: all debian package mirros have all three dists with source and binary |
| 22:35.19 | karsten | DocPlatypus: I could but it's obscene. |
| 22:35.27 | moqq | ah |
| 22:35.29 | moqq | okay |
| 22:35.36 | moqq | so where it says etch i change it to sid |
| 22:35.37 | moqq | that's it? |
| 22:35.38 | nvz | moqq: just copy your etch line, put sid in place of etch and put -src after the deb |
| 22:35.43 | moqq | yup |
| 22:35.45 | moqq | okay, neato |
| 22:35.52 | nvz | moqq: then apt-get update |
| 22:36.00 | karsten | antler: Some of us old-timers tend to get pretty terse on responses, and/or flip. I do try not to needlessly piss folks off, so no offense meant. |
| 22:36.04 | AvengerX | is there something to assist creating boot diskettes for debian 4.0r1 |
| 22:36.06 | vlt | Tramp: Aah, thank you. |
| 22:36.07 | nvz | moqq: don't change your binary mirrors |
| 22:36.15 | Tramp | vlt: np |
| 22:36.16 | nico__ | abrotman, nvz : the packages are pommed and gpomme... not sure how to check the deps without attempting to install them :-/ |
| 22:36.19 | nvz | moqq: or you will end up irreverably running sid |
| 22:36.23 | abrotman | AvengerX: in windows or linux ? |
| 22:36.30 | abrotman | nico__: man dpkg |
| 22:36.34 | moqq | okay |
| 22:36.47 | themill | antler: Of course google could have provided you with the answer faster than logging onto irc... first hit in googling debian etch kernel version. It's even in the google summary, you don't even need to go to the page :) |
| 22:36.47 | AvengerX | abrotman: linux |
| 22:37.00 | abrotman | AvengerX: dd works |
| 22:37.09 | AvengerX | where can I find images? |
| 22:37.14 | abrotman | !bf |
| 22:37.14 | dpkg | [etch floppies] http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
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| 22:37.50 | karsten | antler: However your asking the question did give me reason to determine that the IM has the information requested. |
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| 22:37.53 | AvengerX | abrotman: Ive burned the cd1 for amd64 version and it won't boot... it even has the isolinux directory and such |
| 22:38.04 | karsten | AvengerX: Won't boot how? |
| 22:38.09 | karsten | !tell AvengerX about doesn't work. |
| 22:38.25 | AvengerX | the bios just dont boot from the CD |
| 22:38.39 | AvengerX | ive recorded a cd for 4.0r1 i386, and it booted well |
| 22:38.51 | karsten | AvengerX: Then you'll need to boot from something else, possibly a boot floppy (or SUB image) boostrapping to CD. |
| 22:38.59 | karsten | AvengerX: s/SUB/USB/ |
| 22:39.10 | AvengerX | but ive downloaded several times the 4.0r1 for amd64 |
| 22:39.26 | themill | AvengerX: I presume you've got amd64 compatible hardware....? :) |
| 22:39.27 | AvengerX | karsten: where can I find the usb images |
| 22:39.37 | AvengerX | it boots from ordinary pen drives? |
| 22:39.42 | karsten | AvengerX: If your BIOS won't boot a CD, then it won't boot a different CD, unless I'm missing something. |
| 22:39.48 | themill | AvengerX: and that you've checked the md5sum of the iso you downloaded. |
| 22:39.48 | antler | holy smokes! hahaha. if anyone of you came to suse and asked 'what does suse use for a package manager?' i'd simply say 'yast'. end of story. if, however, you asked 'is yast good', then people would probably say 'you might have to do some research for that'. sheesh. sorry i asked in here. |
| 22:39.57 | karsten | AvengerX: IIUC the floppy image tranferred to a USB stick should work. |
| 22:40.10 | abrotman | yast isn't a package manager |
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| 22:40.21 | themill | antler: don't be.... we'd have left it where it was if you'd not asked! |
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| 22:40.34 | themill | antler: we're all rather friendly, really :) |
| 22:40.35 | karsten | antler: Is there a point to that? |
| 22:40.46 | karsten | antler: ... and in general, understanding Debian pays off greatly. |
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| 22:41.07 | AvengerX | yeah, the bios just boot the i386 version but not the amd64 |
| 22:41.17 | AvengerX | what if I swap the CDs on boot time? :P |
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| 22:41.23 | karsten | AvengerX: ARre you sure that it's a 64-bit system? |
| 22:41.31 | abrotman | why would anyone think yast is a package manager .. yeesh |
| 22:41.53 | AvengerX | its a intel dual core |
| 22:42.07 | AvengerX | E2160 processor |
| 22:42.09 | abrotman | i'm not sure that guarantees 64bit |
| 22:42.16 | abrotman | the dual core bit |
| 22:42.16 | dkr | yet another superfluous title |
| 22:42.28 | AvengerX | abrotman: yeah, thats why I looked for the cpu model |
| 22:42.49 | AvengerX | abrotman: anyway shouldnt it boot from the CD just by not being a 64bit os? |
| 22:43.01 | abrotman | huh? |
| 22:43.50 | karsten | AvengerX: 64-bittedness should come into play with the Linux kernel, not the bootloader, IIUC. |
| 22:43.58 | AvengerX | abrotman: even though the system could be only 32bit, the CD should have booted up |
| 22:44.06 | AvengerX | karsten: my toughts... |
| 22:44.15 | abrotman | no |
| 22:44.38 | abrotman | AIUI .. those amd64 netinst won't start on a 32bit box |
| 22:44.52 | abrotman | but what do i know .. |
| 22:44.57 | themill | Intel EM64T <== http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLA3H |
| 22:45.00 | AvengerX | and the diskette images, I cant seem to find them on the CD root or the main site |
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| 22:46.31 | karsten | abrotman: What, they got you back in the monkey house? |
| 22:47.01 | AvengerX | hmm |
| 22:47.03 | academy | I'm having a wierd issue with iptables. If I download directly onto my gw, I get 2.2MB/s from my cable connection. If I connect to a proxy on the gw and download the file to my desktop, I also get around 2.2MB/s. For some reason, if I try to download the file directly through SNAT I only get 500kb/s. Does anyone know why this might be? The gw is well spec'd. |
| 22:47.20 | abrotman | karsten: never left .. they just put a terminal in my cage |
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| 22:47.45 | karsten | abrotman: That explains both the sticky bits ... |
| 22:47.50 | karsten | abrotman: ... and the stinky bits. |
| 22:47.57 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 22:50.01 | nn | is there anything that will create a diff of last apt-get lists and most current? |
| 22:50.47 | karsten | nn: 'man diff' ;-) |
| 22:51.14 | themill | nn: what do you want to find out? |
| 22:51.25 | karsten | nn: If you're looking for a list of what *packages* were installed on your system (rather than getting deltas of /etc/apt/sources.list over time), see /var/log/aptitude and /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 22:52.11 | Silvia | abrotman, you are here.... |
| 22:52.17 | abrotman | no |
| 22:52.22 | nn | i'm maintaining a deb repo which uses differently compiled versions of some packages and am building scripts which will maintain the locally changed packages whenever changes occur upstream |
| 22:52.24 | Silvia | jej |
| 22:52.29 | karsten | nn: If you're looking for changes in the package lists themselves under /var/lib/apt/lists/, you'll have to manage that on your own. |
| 22:52.34 | gros | Hi. After having recently updated xserver-xorg-input-evdev to version 1.1.5-3 on amd64, my mouse settings, who previously worked well, now make evdev fail to properly detect it. Mouse config and error messages: http://pastebin.com/m2b53da0a . Any idea on what could be the cause of this and how to solve it ? |
| 22:52.57 | karsten | nn: There are ways of numbering things and/or setting pinning priorities such that your packages take precedence over stock Debian. |
| 22:53.01 | karsten | !tell nn about pinning. |
| 22:53.18 | Silvia | abrotman: i wanna ask you a network-qemu qestion....no so much |
| 22:53.23 | themill | nn: dpkg -l might be useful to you if you're wanting to see what the versions are. But use pinning as karsten said to avoid problems. |
| 22:53.32 | nn | karsten: Right, but I want to whenever a new release occurs upstream, I grab it, apply a diff that should apply to any version, and rebuild |
| 22:53.32 | abrotman | Silvia: you can try |
| 22:53.38 | Silvia | :) |
| 22:54.18 | Silvia | at least i have server with a bridge and qemu interface |
| 22:54.32 | Silvia | both with their public ips |
| 22:54.47 | Silvia | server pings qemu, and qemu pings server |
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| 22:55.20 | Silvia | but qemu does not ping inet, neither from inet ping qemu |
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| 22:55.37 | yassine | good evening everyone |
| 22:56.00 | Silvia | in route table, qemu has dafult gateway ip bridge server |
| 22:56.13 | Silvia | abrotman, that is all |
| 22:56.21 | nn | then if a package fails regression tests, it's manually dealt with, otherwise it ends up pushed to the repository dir and when next daily update runs, it ends up on all our machines, rather than trying to build yet-another poorly maintained fork of debian for our network |
| 22:56.45 | abrotman | Silvia: i'd have to see your interfaces file |
| 22:57.02 | Silvia | abrotman, which one? |
| 22:57.06 | Silvia | server or qemu? |
| 22:57.34 | abrotman | your server shold be bridged ... make sure hte bridge works first |
| 22:58.36 | Silvia | abrotman, root@servidor:~/# brctl show |
| 22:58.36 | Silvia | bridge name bridge id STP enabled interfaces |
| 22:58.36 | Silvia | br0 8000.76f185083b19 no dummy0 |
| 22:58.36 | Silvia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:59.12 | Silvia | sorry all....... |
| 22:59.29 | Silvia | 3 lines? |
| 22:59.54 | abrotman | !paste |
| 22:59.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 23:00.11 | abrotman | and i want to see your interfaces file .. not the brctl crap |
| 23:00.46 | Silvia | abrotman, server one |
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| 23:02.35 | Silvia | abrotman, here you have http://paste.debian.net/38905 |
| 23:05.47 | abrotman | Silvia: your INTERFACES file |
| 23:05.53 | abrotman | if you don't know what it is .. ask me |
| 23:06.01 | Silvia | abrotman, sorry |
| 23:06.07 | Silvia | i underestood bad |
| 23:06.27 | abrotman | http://wiki.freaks-unidos.net/qemu-debian |
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| 23:08.33 | Silvia | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/38906 |
| 23:09.00 | abrotman | where's your bridge setup ? |
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| 23:09.13 | abrotman | that URL above is how i did qemu with a bridge |
| 23:09.25 | abrotman | or at least got me started |
| 23:09.33 | Silvia | ah..ok |
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| 23:11.46 | Silvia | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/38907 |
| 23:12.08 | Silvia | abrotman, i create a dummy with ippublic2 |
| 23:12.21 | Silvia | and then..the url |
| 23:13.06 | abrotman | it has a public IP and a private broadcast ? |
| 23:13.22 | Silvia | abrotman, it is ok |
| 23:13.27 | abrotman | read the URL above .. |
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| 23:13.34 | Silvia | its mine |
| 23:13.40 | abrotman | the one i pasted |
| 23:13.51 | goat|work | anyone know which package is the route binary apart of? |
| 23:14.04 | Silvia | abrotman, this is what i do for my desktop qemu setup |
| 23:14.19 | abrotman | goat|work: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:14.27 | goat|work | thanks abrotman |
| 23:14.51 | Silvia | abrotman, forget that broadcast. The one i enter was right |
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| 23:16.29 | Silvia | abrotman, any suggestion? |
| 23:16.40 | abrotman | you're not making sense :) |
| 23:16.53 | Silvia | why you said that! |
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| 23:17.16 | tonsofpcs | -- |
| 23:17.24 | tonsofpcs | Any ideas why my server is failing? (what logs to check, etc) [Debian Sarge] It kills ssh after a day of being up, kills my screen sessions, but the machine is still physically on; physical access fails as well. fsck doesn't report any er |
| 23:17.28 | tonsofpcs | rors, full forced fsck fix on reboot didn't fix anything. |
| 23:17.43 | Silvia | abrotman, something about routing i missed? |
| 23:17.53 | abrotman | i told you to read the url i pasted |
| 23:18.09 | Silvia | abrotman, i have read it and it workd |
| 23:18.16 | Silvia | in my desktop debian |
| 23:18.26 | Silvia | not in that server |
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| 23:18.39 | Silvia | with a remote ssh procedure |
| 23:19.03 | Silvia | i had to startup a dummy0 interface and works with it as it was eth0 |
| 23:19.17 | Silvia | with its own public ip, abrotman |
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| 23:19.28 | Silvia | it is all. |
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| 23:22.03 | Silvia | abrotman, .............. |
| 23:22.13 | Silvia | be good with me, friend.... |
| 23:22.32 | abrotman | Silvia: you can ping from the server, yes ? |
| 23:22.37 | abrotman | jsut not from the qemu vm ? |
| 23:22.44 | Silvia | to inet |
| 23:22.46 | Silvia | yes |
| 23:23.26 | Silvia | both machines can ping eachothers |
| 23:24.02 | abrotman | Silvia: get the vm get to the internet :) |
| 23:24.08 | abrotman | erm ? |
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| 23:24.30 | Silvia | abrotman, from qemu vm i can not ping ip google |
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| 23:24.56 | wols_ | Silvia: do yozu want bridged networking or NAT? |
| 23:24.57 | abrotman | can you ping your router IP ? |
| 23:25.09 | abrotman | wols_: he's been working towards bridged qemu |
| 23:25.11 | sqwob | i'm new to using linux as a desktop environment and am looking for what you think are must-have php/html dev tools for inside the graphical environment |
| 23:25.31 | abrotman | sqwob: bluefish is okay |
| 23:25.34 | sqwob | if anyone here would care to recommend me anything, it could save me a day or two sifting through what's out there |
| 23:25.44 | abrotman | anjuta can do them i think |
| 23:25.47 | abrotman | kdevelop maybe |
| 23:25.48 | themill | sqwob: kdevelop or quanta |
| 23:26.00 | abrotman | but bluefish is a web editor |
| 23:26.07 | abrotman | !info bluefish etch |
| 23:26.10 | dpkg | bluefish: (advanced Gtk+ HTML editor), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1578 kB, Installed size: 6724 kB |
| 23:26.15 | abrotman | bah .. it does PHP too :) |
| 23:26.19 | Silvia | abrotman, from qemu vm i can not ping ip router |
| 23:26.25 | Silvia | abrotman, from qemu vm i can not ping ISP router |
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| 23:27.21 | themill | sqwob: it depends if you treat php as a programming language or parsed html. If you program php classes etc, then a full ide like kdevelop has more merit. If you just throw in a few php tags amongst mainly html, then a good html editor is what you need. |
| 23:27.35 | abrotman | i still think your bridge is misconfigured |
| 23:28.10 | sqwob | thanks a lot :) |
| 23:28.13 | Silvia | abrotman, any way to chek it? |
| 23:28.49 | abrotman | yeah .. go back and double check everything you've done .. |
| 23:28.49 | sqwob | running kde inside debian/colinux on xp is an interesting concept :) maybe i'll convert after all ;) |
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| 23:29.27 | themill | night all! |
| 23:29.30 | Silvia | abrotman, :/ |
| 23:29.40 | abrotman | i think you might even be using the wrong interfaces |
| 23:29.42 | Silvia | abrotman, are you drugged? |
| 23:30.11 | wols_ | Silvia: are you? |
| 23:30.18 | Silvia | i bit.... |
| 23:30.19 | Silvia | :) |
| 23:30.33 | Silvia | it is a joke |
| 23:30.50 | Silvia | *_* |
| 23:31.16 | Silvia | this bridging is driving me mad.... |
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| 23:32.07 | Silvia | i have no idea why from vm can not ping inet |
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| 23:32.45 | Silvia | enither router IS |
| 23:32.48 | Silvia | ISP |
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| 23:41.00 | vader-- | any of you guys ever seen when you try and run a perl script using ./script.pl you get this error |
| 23:41.11 | vader-- | ": No such file or directory |
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| 23:41.27 | vader-- | if i run it perl script.pl it doesn't show anything |
| 23:42.07 | wols_ | is the .pl file set executable? what is the first line of that script? |
| 23:42.09 | Tramp | vader--: what is the very first line of your file? |
| 23:42.39 | vader-- | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 23:42.45 | vader-- | i did chmod +x script.pl |
| 23:42.49 | Tramp | vader--: what says "which perl" |
| 23:42.59 | vader-- | it matched which perl's response |
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| 23:43.24 | Tramp | vader--: hae? |
| 23:43.32 | vader-- | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8849 2007-10-05 19:38 reboot.pl |
| 23:43.35 | vader-- | hae? |
| 23:43.45 | Tramp | <Tramp> vader--: what says "which perl" |
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| 23:43.54 | vader-- | which perl |
| 23:44.07 | vader-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.19 | nodesktop | so... what should I do to prevent "apt-get dist-upgrade" from upgrading a specific package? |
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| 23:44.33 | Tramp | vader--: ok. |
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| 23:44.59 | Tramp | vader--: misunderstood you previously. |
| 23:45.53 | nodesktop | I thought about "holding" the package in aptitude, but this doesn't work (package is showed as "hold", but apt-get still wants to upgrade it) |
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| 23:48.07 | Tramp | vader--: no idea then. Sorry. |
| 23:48.25 | dto | how can I turn on opengl acceleration in debian etch? i have a new nvidia card that is working in X just fine, just not 3d |
| 23:48.41 | grilled-cheese | dto, that is a loaded question |
| 23:48.50 | dto | oh. |
| 23:49.13 | grilled-cheese | look up how to get DRI working |
| 23:49.19 | dto | ah, DRI |
| 23:49.29 | dto | btw i have got the BEST new monitor |
| 23:49.29 | grilled-cheese | and test with glxinfo |
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| 23:52.27 | abrotman | dto: which nvidia card ? |
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| 23:52.50 | sine | clear |
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| 23:53.18 | dto | geforce 7600 gs |
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| 23:53.36 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 23:53.36 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 23:56.40 | dto | abrotman: i am using a patched lowlatency kernel that i compiled myself. |
| 23:56.51 | sine | what is low latenc |
| 23:56.52 | dto | abrotman: i don't think the m-a way is going to work |
| 23:57.07 | dto | sine: realtime response and low-latency processing |
| 23:57.09 | abrotman | sounds like your problem then .. ask #nvidia how they screw up their systems |
| 23:57.12 | dto | heh |
| 23:57.13 | dto | ok |
| 23:58.22 | sine | whats the best dos emulator |
| 23:58.26 | sine | for linux |
| 23:58.45 | nodesktop | dosbox |
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