| 00:00.55 | unix_infidel | I got a buncha dcc sends from some moron named something like zuib? |
| 00:01.05 | unix_infidel | any reports of substantial penetration? |
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| 00:01.11 | thedonvaughn | yah that dude was doing that yesterday |
| 00:01.20 | unix_infidel | I've been hearing that these sends have originating from users in this chan? |
| 00:01.51 | streuner | look at freenode's website about (how to disable dcc sends or/and your irc-client) |
| 00:01.54 | simonrvn | unix_infidel: they join, do their crap, get banned |
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| 00:02.10 | unix_infidel | I got a bunch of errors that I've never seen before. Something about lowport errors. |
| 00:03.01 | simonrvn | yeh, they're trying to hit port 0, trying to get around 'firewalls' |
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| 00:03.42 | widrone | Got alot from someone that seemed to be hating a religion too... Cant the go drink beer or something instead ;) |
| 00:03.51 | raize | uhmm, all time when I reboot debian machine on /var/log/daemon.log I see this, what debian is tryin'g to do? |
| 00:03.54 | raize | Sep 30 01:58:23 localhost init: Switching to runlevel: 6 |
| 00:03.57 | raize | Sep 30 01:59:03 localhost ntpdate[3582]: can't find host 0.debian.pool.ntp.org |
| 00:04.15 | widrone | raize: Its trying to update your clock. |
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| 00:04.23 | raize | using ntpdate? |
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| 00:04.37 | simonrvn | raize: yes |
| 00:04.47 | raize | if I reboot the machine, it has sense? |
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| 00:04.53 | simonrvn | widrone: some people's children... |
| 00:05.04 | widrone | raize: I can ntpdate with that server, does it resolv from your end? |
| 00:05.14 | simonrvn | raize: did you mess with its runlevel symlinks? |
| 00:05.20 | widrone | simonrvn: Ah, that is why no beer for them! ;) |
| 00:05.29 | raize | simonrvn: there is no S*ntp* on rc6 |
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| 00:05.51 | simonrvn | odd |
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| 00:06.53 | raize | simonrvn: which file/script ntpdate is launched if I just run 'reboot' ? |
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| 00:07.23 | simonrvn | oh, probably from the hwclock script, maybe |
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| 00:07.49 | simonrvn | or, from the ntp script itself... check it |
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| 00:08.15 | d00dMan | streuner: ok cool, thanks |
| 00:08.15 | raize | my hwclock is K25hwclock.sh |
| 00:08.27 | simonrvn | that's just the symlink, btw |
| 00:08.35 | raize | but is K! |
| 00:08.43 | raize | it is normal then? |
| 00:08.45 | simonrvn | well yeh, of course it is |
| 00:08.55 | raize | so it is lauched then? |
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| 00:09.30 | simonrvn | it's K, no it isn't, it's stopped. |
| 00:09.48 | xand | hmm, is screen in debian not compiled with the 256-color option? |
| 00:10.23 | simonrvn | apt-get source screen; cd ./screen*/; less debian/rules |
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| 00:10.35 | raize | wd ; grep -i ntpd *; echo $? |
| 00:10.35 | raize | /etc/rc6.d |
| 00:10.35 | raize | 1 |
| 00:10.41 | raize | there is no ntp :(, strange |
| 00:10.55 | simonrvn | an error on my part |
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| 00:11.32 | xand | hmm odd |
| 00:12.33 | xand | it has the 256 color option enabled, but a script i downloaded that tests the colors shwos them wrongly when run in screen as opposed to just xterm |
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| 00:13.01 | simonrvn | Wyzard: tome has a rather unusual build system for these days. most projects use ./configure and the gnu build tools |
| 00:13.15 | simonrvn | screen is strange on serveral points |
| 00:13.21 | Wyzard | simonrvn: It's packaged... |
| 00:13.39 | simonrvn | not the snapshots ;) |
| 00:13.43 | Wyzard | ah |
| 00:13.53 | simonrvn | the package is from 2003 |
| 00:14.02 | simonrvn | well, the binary is |
| 00:14.15 | Growly|sigh | is krb5-user supposed to work? anyone? |
| 00:14.58 | Greyscale | !opera flash |
| 00:15.05 | Greyscale | !how to install flash for opera |
| 00:15.08 | Greyscale | fff. |
| 00:15.10 | Greyscale | Halp? |
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| 00:15.35 | xand | use firefox :D |
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| 00:15.40 | el_alexluna | hello all! |
| 00:15.45 | Greyscale | xand, quiet you T_T |
| 00:15.49 | xand | :'( |
| 00:15.55 | Absolute0 | i installed rtl-wifi and it works beautifully but for some reason i have to reinstall it on each reboot for it to work, any suggestions to fixing this? |
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| 00:16.32 | el_alexluna | con somebody tell me the official repositories for debian etch? |
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| 00:16.47 | xand | !mirror |
| 00:16.47 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 00:17.13 | xand | !sources.list |
| 00:17.13 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 00:17.15 | xand | that one |
| 00:17.19 | simonrvn | Growly|sigh: krb5-user? |
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| 00:17.51 | Growly|sigh | the package |
| 00:17.52 | el_alexluna | <apt-setup> |
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| 00:18.06 | Growly|sigh | el_alexluna - does that mean you can't help? |
| 00:18.12 | shark | dpkg hi |
| 00:18.12 | dpkg | hola |
| 00:18.14 | Absolute0 | i installed rtl-wifi and it works beautifully but for some reason i have to reinstall it on each reboot for it to work, any suggestions to fixing this? |
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| 00:18.41 | Growly | damn |
| 00:19.09 | blq | sry maybe that question is a little bit stupid but I've read several threads and have googled for ours.... but I can't find out how to get the source of a Xen Kernel ... I installed it from the binary package - I already downloaded the source tar ball of xen but I'm not sure where I can find the kernel source in it :/ |
| 00:19.19 | blq | *for hours |
| 00:19.42 | jeffwheeler | Am I the only one who finds GNOME's new (in 2.20) "Filesystem Properties" panel awkward? A couple of things I notice immediate: a) the background of the graph does not match the background of the window, even in the official screenshot and b) it doesn't really make sense to think of something as a "filesystem" because different sub-filesystems are mounted within the root, so it shows that I only have a few gigs because mos |
| 00:19.51 | jeffwheeler | (Eek, sorry for saying so much!) |
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| 00:20.25 | geo-rge | if you look maybe you find. |
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| 00:23.01 | dergraf_ | I'm back with another Kerberos problem: on my kdc kinit says it cannot contact any KDC. From another host I can get my tickets just fine. Any ideas what could cause this? |
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| 00:25.44 | megasquid | is there a way to get mod_proxy_balancer for apache2 using apt-get or do i need to compile from source? |
| 00:25.57 | Absolute0 | anyone knows how i can install rtl-wifi in etch? |
| 00:26.05 | haier_on_Mars | hello |
| 00:26.17 | haier_on_Mars | is there q version of photoshop in debiqn M |
| 00:26.34 | haier_on_Mars | is the gi;p better thqn photoshop M |
| 00:26.37 | haier_on_Mars | M |
| 00:26.46 | Absolute0 | ? |
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| 00:27.01 | haier_on_Mars | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.11 | haier_on_Mars | is the gimp better than photoshop ? |
| 00:27.11 | Absolute0 | haier_on_Mars: try gimp |
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| 00:27.28 | haier_on_Mars | i know gimp |
| 00:27.35 | Absolute0 | haier_on_Mars: you can try to run photoshop in linux using wine |
| 00:27.37 | haier_on_Mars | but i'm looking for photoshop clone ! |
| 00:27.39 | Absolute0 | haier_on_Mars: try and see |
| 00:27.55 | dendrite | haier_on_Mars: No Linux version of PS. Not sure about under wine. Define "better." |
| 00:27.59 | haier_on_Mars | no i have just a linux instance ! |
| 00:28.15 | xand | gimp is the best there is for linux |
| 00:28.30 | haier_on_Mars | and i'm using ltsp , so i'm sure that this will not work ! |
| 00:28.33 | gryfel | Some time ago, photoshop had advantages in printing.... but don't know nowdays |
| 00:29.22 | dendrite | PS still has the edge on production workflow and color management. |
| 00:29.29 | haier_on_Mars | is there someone who uses gimp in designing web interfaces ? |
| 00:29.39 | Absolute0 | anyone here uses dwm? |
| 00:29.44 | dendrite | haier_on_Mars: gimp is VERY well suited for web graphics. |
| 00:29.48 | Absolute0 | i want to modify the congfig.h and reinstall |
| 00:29.59 | megasquid | is there a way to get mod_proxy_balancer for apache2 using apt-get or do i need to compile from source? |
| 00:30.04 | gryfel | webintercaces or photo-reouching? |
| 00:30.08 | Absolute0 | haier_on_Mars: can you please stop asking stupid questions? |
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| 00:30.20 | dendrite | haier_on_Mars: If you're looking to script the processing of images, check out ImageMagick. |
| 00:30.20 | gryfel | (webinterfaces = prototyping the look of the website?) |
| 00:30.20 | Absolute0 | haier_on_Mars: just try gimp and see if you like it |
| 00:30.20 | shamrock | haier_on_Mars: web interfaces?? You mean graphics or actal interface components? |
| 00:30.31 | Absolute0 | if not use photoshop through wine or in windows |
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| 00:30.40 | haier_on_Mars | actal ? |
| 00:30.53 | xand | apt-get install gimp |
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| 00:31.15 | haier_on_Mars | i mean graphics |
| 00:31.26 | FuzzplugJones | is there a way to change the way debian orders IDE controllers? I have a machine with the built-in controller and an addon controller, my primary master on the onboard starts out as hd(0,0) in Grub and then becomes /dev/hde1 in Linux. is there any way to switch it? |
| 00:31.27 | freezer | hi |
| 00:31.35 | haier_on_Mars | and what about making flash animations , |
| 00:31.44 | haier_on_Mars | how can i perform that task ? |
| 00:31.44 | jetscreamer | FuzzplugJones: udev rules |
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| 00:32.05 | FuzzplugJones | there's no boot parameter? i can't install udev on it currently because i can't get it to boot |
| 00:32.13 | dendrite | haier_on_Mars: apt-cache search swf |
| 00:32.22 | jetscreamer | FuzzplugJones: see also initramfs generation rules.. i forget the exact name |
| 00:32.36 | gryfel | haier_on_Mars: now, photoretouche is fine with gimp |
| 00:32.47 | shamrock | haier_on_Mars: there is a wonderful things called google. Its new, but its good ..... |
| 00:32.49 | dergraf_ | On my KDC kinit says it cannot contact any KDC. From another host I can get my tickets just fine. Any ideas what could cause this? |
| 00:33.04 | gryfel | dendrite: now, swf is only a player ? Right? |
| 00:33.53 | maher | FuzzplugJones: can't you chroot in and install it? |
| 00:33.58 | jetscreamer | FuzzplugJones: i don't know what to tell you then, i detest udev ... try using UUID= in fstab and menu.lst maybe instead |
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| 00:34.12 | jetscreamer | should be easier w/o udev |
| 00:34.14 | jetscreamer | what is the error |
| 00:34.26 | FuzzplugJones | the error is it can't find /sbin/init |
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| 00:34.52 | FuzzplugJones | but it's also doing weird things, like, when i unplug all the drives on the addon controller, hd(0,0) shows up as hde1 AND hda1 |
| 00:35.06 | jetscreamer | ahh the addon controller |
| 00:35.13 | jetscreamer | this is the thing |
| 00:35.17 | FuzzplugJones | well yeah but i need it |
| 00:35.27 | jetscreamer | use UUID= |
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| 00:35.33 | FuzzplugJones | in the grub boot? |
| 00:35.37 | jetscreamer | and fstab |
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| 00:35.44 | jetscreamer | lemme paste |
| 00:35.47 | FuzzplugJones | ok but... ok |
| 00:35.57 | Sebboh | where do my system-wide TTF fonts live? |
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| 00:37.23 | xand | Sebboh: /usr/share/fonts/truetype |
| 00:37.28 | FuzzplugJones | why does Linux order the controllers in opposite order anyway? I can't be the first person to have this problem, and I'm not a fan of "if it doesn't work right, rewrite the entire OS" |
| 00:37.31 | Sebboh | thanks xand |
| 00:37.40 | jetscreamer | grub: kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-2-k7 root=UUID=ea04f818-555b-42f4-99dd-cc59f6e250b8 ro vga=0x318 fstab: UUID=ea04f818-555b-42f4-99dd-cc59f6e250b8/jfsdefaults,errors=remount-ro0 1 |
| 00:37.50 | FuzzplugJones | good LORD |
| 00:37.59 | jetscreamer | change the uuid to be yours |
| 00:37.59 | FuzzplugJones | and where am I supposed to get the UUIDs? |
| 00:38.38 | jetscreamer | got a livecd? |
| 00:38.45 | FuzzplugJones | no, i' |
| 00:38.47 | FuzzplugJones | oops |
| 00:38.54 | FuzzplugJones | no, i'm assuming there's a utility that tells you then... |
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| 00:39.15 | Sebboh | ..What is that GUID/UUID used for? |
| 00:39.20 | jetscreamer | well it's in /dev/disk/by-uuid sometimes. |
| 00:39.25 | jetscreamer | !uuid |
| 00:39.25 | dpkg | uuid is probably a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 00:39.32 | jetscreamer | !guid |
| 00:39.45 | FuzzplugJones | Sebboh it's seems to be an ugly hack for the fact that Linux reverses the order of multiple IDE controllers inside Linux. |
| 00:39.46 | jetscreamer | group |
| 00:40.01 | Sebboh | the g is global |
| 00:40.06 | FuzzplugJones | that's asinine. okay, thanks, i'll look into it |
| 00:40.13 | jetscreamer | you can do it with other such.. by label, by pciid or so |
| 00:40.16 | megasquid | is there a way to get mod_proxy_balancer for apache2 using apt-get or do i need to compile from source? |
| 00:40.36 | jetscreamer | FuzzplugJones: it should 'just work' if you DONT have udev |
| 00:40.50 | jetscreamer | oh well |
| 00:41.26 | jetscreamer | works fine w/o udev |
| 00:41.31 | Sebboh | Using a guid is kinda overkill for this task.. :) ..Every parition on earth could be given a unique ID and there'd still be a few left to start labeling individual grains of sand. :P |
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| 00:41.55 | jetscreamer | you can set your own uuid |
| 00:42.30 | jetscreamer | the ones windows makes are shorter, and/or don't have the -'s in them |
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| 00:43.33 | Sebboh | yes, but it's better to generate a random one--assuming that you need uniqeness. But in this case we don't, so, I'd recommend 11111111-1111-1111-1111-111111111111 .... Screw this deadbeef-cafe- junk.. |
| 00:44.04 | Sebboh | jetscreamer: the ones windows makes are exactly the same afaik. And, you can put - |
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| 00:44.35 | Sebboh | you can use - if you want or don't if you don't want to. It's like a mac address.. The : or - is meaningless. |
| 00:44.36 | jetscreamer | Sebboh: i just told you what i've seen. |
| 00:44.48 | jetscreamer | i didn't generate them explicitly |
| 00:44.54 | jetscreamer | they just got generated |
| 00:45.02 | Sebboh | ok. :) |
| 00:45.27 | jetscreamer | apparently yes, it's like anything |
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| 00:45.40 | jetscreamer | 'can be' |
| 00:45.50 | jetscreamer | but not my forte |
| 00:45.56 | Sebboh | guids are neat. The other day, I had a third of a million of them laying around, so I generated randomones and tried to grab a match and pull it out of the big pool... I couldn't find a match. Meaning, they kinda work. |
| 00:46.42 | dendrite | Sebboh: Maybe you could start *selling* 'em ... |
| 00:46.47 | Sebboh | Of course, I didn't start doing that on purpose. :P My random selection was supposed to be *from the pool*.. I just mistyped. :) |
| 00:46.50 | jetscreamer | you can probably just tack on more groupings to eh? |
| 00:46.56 | jetscreamer | make it longer? |
| 00:47.13 | Sebboh | jetscreamer: sure. "640KB is enough for anybody." |
| 00:48.19 | Sebboh | but current code that takes GUID/UUIDs as arguments might only be expecting a certain size. ..They are somewhat standardized, afaik. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globally_Unique_Identifier |
| 00:49.21 | Sebboh | oh. According to that, they are encoded. It's not a random bitpattern, at least, not all of it is. Neato. |
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| 00:52.32 | Sebboh | and fyi, there is actually a distinction betwen guid's and uuid's, I guess, that I was not aware of. My bad. |
| 00:54.02 | Absolute0 | anyone knows how i can make Times New Roman font look just like it does in windows? At the moment it looks like crap. |
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| 00:54.42 | pipeline | Absolute0: install msttcorefonts and x-ttcidfont-conf |
| 00:55.03 | Absolute0 | pipeline: thanks |
| 00:55.33 | Absolute0 | whats x-ttcidfont-conf? |
| 00:56.27 | pipeline | I have no idea. |
| 00:57.03 | pipeline | I've always just installed both packages :) |
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| 00:57.51 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 00:57.52 | Absolute0 | lol |
| 00:58.12 | Absolute0 | pipeline: do you know how i can permanantly install rtl-wifi? |
| 00:58.23 | pipeline | No. |
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| 00:59.47 | Absolute0 | does anyone know? |
| 00:59.56 | Absolute0 | i need to reinstall on each reboot |
| 01:00.02 | Mr_Bunny_ | reinstall a driver? |
| 01:00.07 | Absolute0 | yeah |
| 01:00.12 | Mr_Bunny_ | graphics card driver? |
| 01:00.15 | Absolute0 | the wireless rtl-wifi |
| 01:00.18 | Mr_Bunny_ | oh |
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| 01:01.03 | Mr_Bunny_ | let me guess, you're running something you compiled from source/the latest manufacturer package, and that's conflicting with something installed with apt |
| 01:01.17 | Mr_Bunny_ | try uninstalling whatever driver you installed from the repository |
| 01:01.31 | Mr_Bunny_ | that happened to me once with my gfx card driver |
| 01:01.41 | Absolute0 | Mr_Bunny_: probably |
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| 01:02.55 | Absolute0 | how do i check what debian installed for wireless? |
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| 01:03.48 | epsilon | if I connet to a box via ssh, there is a delay between entering username and password of ~5sec, is that supposed to be? |
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| 01:05.11 | Mr_Bunny_ | epsilon: I think it may be intentional, but I don't know how to change it. I had it for a while, then it went away. :\ |
| 01:05.23 | glguy | is there a good gnome-panel replacement for getting access to NetworkManager without running gnome? |
| 01:05.38 | glguy | (seems like NetworkManager is the way to get my wpa working in debian) |
| 01:06.42 | jeffwheeler | Is there any package that contains a pointer theme other than "Default" in Sid? I seem to remember having several more themes a few weeks ago before GNOME 2.20, and now I'm stuck with this one which has some rather ugly styles from what seems like the 80s. |
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| 01:10.49 | Absolute0 | the rtl-wifi documentation says that i need to remove (modprobe -r) ieee80211 but `dpkg -l ieee80211` returns nothing, what pkgs owns/installs ieee80211? |
| 01:11.14 | dondelelcaro | Absolute0: it's part of the kernel, and no, you don't need to remove the package. |
| 01:11.30 | dondelelcaro | Absolute0: you may need to unload the module (which is what that modprobe command does, but that's it. |
| 01:11.40 | Absolute0 | dondelelcaro: so how do i permanatly install rtl-wifi? |
| 01:11.55 | Absolute0 | i have to reinstall it on each reboot |
| 01:12.12 | Absolute0 | the install page: http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing |
| 01:12.29 | dondelelcaro | Absolute0: you mean modprobe it, I assume. Just add the module name to /etc/modules |
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| 01:15.56 | Absolute0 | dondelelcaro: no thats not enough |
| 01:16.00 | Absolute0 | i need to actually reinstall it |
| 01:16.12 | Absolute0 | i just ran modprobe rtl8150 |
| 01:16.16 | Absolute0 | and nothing changed |
| 01:16.29 | Absolute0 | ifconfig doesnt show wlan0 |
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| 01:16.47 | Absolute0 | i'll just write a script that installs it and run it at boot |
| 01:17.31 | Absolute0 | how can i add an interface to ifconfig? |
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| 01:17.49 | maher | Absolute0: its probably loading firmware or something - look at the install script and see what it does... |
| 01:17.51 | intr80 | Absolute0: a real interface, or a virtual one? |
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| 01:18.04 | Absolute0 | intr80: wlan0 to be exact |
| 01:18.11 | Absolute0 | maher: what install script? |
| 01:18.13 | Mr_Bunny_ | I would assume add it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:18.15 | intr80 | Absolute0 : get your driver to work. |
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| 01:18.32 | intr80 | Absolute0 : or 'ifconfig -a' to see if its there |
| 01:18.51 | freezer | i stela energy from McD while charging my notebook"s battery |
| 01:18.56 | intr80 | Absolute0 : use lspci, or dmesg to look for evidence that it's installed, and lsmod and modprobe to list and install the necessary kernel modules. |
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| 01:19.02 | maher | Absolute0: is this a .deb/ |
| 01:19.17 | Absolute0 | maher: i wish! |
| 01:19.18 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 01:19.24 | maher | Absolute0: what is it? |
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| 01:19.55 | Absolute0 | a source in gunzip |
| 01:19.56 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 01:20.08 | Absolute0 | let me search for a deb maybe someone made one :) |
| 01:20.32 | Absolute0 | is there a deb search engine? |
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| 01:20.40 | maher | Absolute0: do you do something like make install? |
| 01:21.02 | Absolute0 | maher: yes its source code |
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| 01:21.12 | Absolute0 | i do ./configure make and make install |
| 01:21.17 | maher | Absolute0: read the makefile and see what it does... |
| 01:21.18 | Absolute0 | the whole 9 yards |
| 01:22.18 | epsilon | is it possible to rip a realmedia/windowsmedia audio-streaming? I only know of streamripper, which can only handle mp3... |
| 01:22.45 | Absolute0 | maher here's the makefile http://rafb.net/p/JlTx6a39.html its makes no sence to me |
| 01:22.48 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 01:22.55 | pipeline | epsilon: realmedia and wmv streaming are usually just a text file that tells you where to go download the file. |
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| 01:23.11 | pipeline | epsilon: so, err, wget the uri, and then wget what the file points you to. |
| 01:23.58 | epsilon | pipeline: you can rip the streaming with wget? it's not http or ftp |
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| 01:27.21 | Absolute0 | dondelelcaro: /etc/modules doesnt exist on my system should i just create it? |
| 01:27.39 | Absolute0 | nevermind |
| 01:27.44 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 01:28.01 | pipeline | epsilon: "mms://" is just "http get a playlist; http get the shit in the playlist" |
| 01:28.18 | pipeline | epsilon: microsoft is too smart to reinvent the wheel :P |
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| 01:29.52 | Mr_Bunny_ | what's the command for making alsa find my sound card? |
| 01:30.28 | gryfie_ | alsaconf |
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| 01:30.48 | gryfie_ | you have to install alsa-utils to do that (afaik) |
| 01:30.48 | freezer | i just type |
| 01:30.56 | freezer | make install alsa-base alsa-utils |
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| 01:31.01 | freezer | and after that sounds work |
| 01:31.10 | freezer | *sound |
| 01:31.18 | wols | freezer: not in #debian |
| 01:31.36 | freezer | lol |
| 01:31.37 | freezer | i mean |
| 01:31.40 | nodesktop | wols: hahaha, I just thought that too |
| 01:31.40 | freezer | apt-get install |
| 01:32.02 | gryfie_ | and only, if it detects your soundcard ;-D |
| 01:32.29 | freezer | then i must have a great soundcard |
| 01:32.52 | freezer | Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 01:33.03 | gryfie_ | freezer: Now, i guess most soundcards will be autodetected |
| 01:33.23 | freezer | gryfie_, nah, only mine! |
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| 01:36.02 | sf7_ | does debian have a really nice file viewer/editor like notepad++? |
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| 01:37.23 | dakoo | yes, it's called vi |
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| 01:37.53 | epsilon | and emacs as replacement of vi |
| 01:37.58 | sf7_ | please tell me ur kidding |
| 01:38.00 | epsilon | (duck and run) |
| 01:38.05 | sf7_ | lol |
| 01:38.06 | dakoo | no i am not fucking kidding |
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| 01:38.12 | dakoo | use vi or fuck off |
| 01:38.19 | epsilon | you mean gui, like notepad in windows? |
| 01:38.20 | sf7_ | lulz |
| 01:38.29 | ameyer | please stop using aol speak, it sucks... |
| 01:38.43 | Coweater | lulz is post aol! |
| 01:38.53 | Coweater | get your internet eras straight |
| 01:39.18 | ameyer | ur is aol |
| 01:39.20 | gryfie_ | compile rpcemu from source, run riscos and use zap :) |
| 01:39.29 | gryfie_ | the one and only texteditor :) |
| 01:39.41 | sf7_ | notepad++ u get fileview in one pane, and singleclick shows filecontents in the other. and it auto-colors depending if its a html, c++ file/whatever |
| 01:39.48 | mustmr | sf7_: if you're in a GTK environment, use gedit |
| 01:39.58 | Coweater | anyhow, there's ones like scite that notepad++ is based on, gedit is very nice |
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| 01:41.16 | phogg | sf7_: try kate in KDE |
| 01:41.32 | sf7_ | its the filetreeview/instantly seeing the file contents that im after |
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| 01:42.39 | Absolute0 | how can i run a script in boot? |
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| 01:43.09 | mustmr | Absolute0: add it in /etc/init.d/rc.local |
| 01:43.19 | Absolute0 | thanks |
| 01:43.22 | epsilon | well (x)emacs can syntax hilight, but not sure if you want it |
| 01:43.28 | Coweater | sf7_: bluefish |
| 01:43.39 | Absolute0 | epsilon: vim can too |
| 01:43.55 | wols_ | mustmr: you're wrong |
| 01:44.05 | epsilon | wait, I read about some modification of less with hilight, where is the link... |
| 01:44.06 | wols_ | !tell Absolute0 about rc.local |
| 01:44.53 | sf7_ | so its looking like sclite or bluefish |
| 01:45.56 | Coweater | scite doesn't seem to have that feature (i couldn't find it), bluefish does |
| 01:46.12 | sf7_ | gr8 |
| 01:46.16 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:47.36 | juhoz1024 | !help |
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| 01:49.47 | sf7_ | excellent thx moomunch |
| 01:50.36 | Coweater | kate does have it too btw, if you want something a little less geared towards html |
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| 01:53.48 | AkiraYuki | si ok...ma prova a nominarmi |
| 01:56.18 | AkiraYuki | we |
| 01:56.51 | AkiraYuki | e poi come fate a chiudere il canale? |
| 01:57.17 | AkiraYuki | va be fa niente |
| 01:57.18 | amphi | !it |
| 01:57.18 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 01:57.27 | AkiraYuki | ops |
| 01:57.35 | AkiraYuki | sorry :) |
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| 02:00.48 | sf7_ | mm kate is less cluttered! |
| 02:03.31 | Schweety | exit |
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| 02:10.02 | freezer | anyone from NY around? |
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| 02:14.25 | magyar | hi, my console gets flooded with "ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: wakeup" how can i disable this? |
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| 02:19.49 | freeone3000 | How do I add a public key given the error message from apt? |
| 02:19.57 | freeone3000 | Ah. Nevemrind. It's in the topic. |
| 02:20.15 | freeone3000 | ..For etch, nevermind. Question reinstated. |
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| 02:25.34 | simonrvn | freeone3000: same answer |
| 02:25.56 | nodesktop | how can I "tune" Linux to the desktop (instead i.e. being a server)? |
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| 02:26.13 | yigal | has anyone had to work with libopensync ? |
| 02:26.19 | nodesktop | I notice that Linux i.e. allocates a lot of memory when copying large files, but that slows down desktop stuff |
| 02:26.29 | nodesktop | i.e. GUI latency increases horribly |
| 02:26.34 | yigal | The package in sid/lenny etc. is really old. |
| 02:26.34 | freeone3000 | Okay, so ignore it. |
| 02:26.41 | simonrvn | nodesktop: start at the kernel level, work your way up |
| 02:27.03 | nodesktop | simonrvn: and what would I do? |
| 02:27.04 | yigal | nodesktop: all the way up, if its really bothersome to you |
| 02:27.11 | yigal | :) |
| 02:27.13 | simonrvn | yigal: file a bug report saying there's a new upstream version |
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| 02:27.27 | yigal | simonrvn: its been new for a year + now |
| 02:27.30 | simonrvn | eating dinner |
| 02:27.46 | yigal | simonrvn: I just want to find a recent package either official or unofficial |
| 02:27.52 | nodesktop | yigal, simonrvn: now that's not really helpful "all the way up"; I need a way to find out more about this topic |
| 02:28.01 | nodesktop | i.e. links or google search keywords |
| 02:28.13 | yigal | nodesktop: you like to troll right :) |
| 02:28.21 | simonrvn | "linux system tuner desktop" |
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| 02:28.26 | simonrvn | er, tune* |
| 02:28.28 | nodesktop | yigal: I'm not trolling |
| 02:29.03 | nodesktop | yigal: also, I'm not really tuning... it's just really awful if my working place slows down this much just because I copy a big file in the background... |
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| 02:29.24 | freeone3000 | There isn't a ram increase for me, just disk access. |
| 02:29.32 | freeone3000 | And you're not really going to avoid disk access when you're copying a file.. |
| 02:29.49 | yigal | nodesktop: where do you copy it from? and to where do you copy it too? |
| 02:29.58 | yigal | s/too/to |
| 02:30.07 | nodesktop | well it seems Linux swaps out my "working data" just to allocate RAM for the disk cache |
| 02:30.15 | simonrvn | nodesktop: then your disk controller is god slow and uses too much cpu to do it |
| 02:30.25 | nodesktop | yigal: i.e. within the same ext3fs volume; DMA enabled AFAIK |
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| 02:30.47 | freeone3000 | Makes me wonder your drive controller... Mine's IDE and doesn't evne do that. |
| 02:30.56 | yigal | so no one has had to work with a modern version of opensync here? |
| 02:31.28 | nodesktop | IDE, ext3fs, DMA enabled but a very old revision (isn't that DMA 66 or so??) |
| 02:31.33 | nodesktop | or DMA 33 whatever |
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| 02:32.13 | yigal | what size of file are we talking about, and no I have never had this problem, but it doesn't mean that your not having it. |
| 02:32.39 | nodesktop | larger than say 20 MB |
| 02:32.52 | yigal | nodesktop: what kind of machine do you have? geese |
| 02:33.04 | nodesktop | 400 MHZ Pentium II |
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| 02:33.11 | nodesktop | yes it's old |
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| 02:33.18 | yigal | nodesktop: ok, but not that old |
| 02:33.44 | russe11 | Did debian woody come with a lot of ports open by default? |
| 02:33.58 | yigal | opensync anyone? |
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| 02:35.28 | simonrvn | russe11: define what *you* mean by "open ports" |
| 02:35.36 | yigal | ok well i'm going to the goofy world of Ubuntu where people care more about 3d desktops more than if they can compile code. |
| 02:35.44 | yigal | i need opensync |
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| 02:36.00 | nodesktop | lol |
| 02:36.04 | phogg | I just got this question in another channel: "<kladizkov> is there something like "yum" in debian?" I couldn't believe my eyes. |
| 02:36.14 | nodesktop | did he just say "I stop using Debian because you don't help me"? |
| 02:36.17 | simonrvn | yum is crap and unneeded |
| 02:36.18 | russe11 | simorvn: I mean when I used nmap, it showed me a bunch of open ports. |
| 02:36.28 | nodesktop | wtf is yum |
| 02:36.36 | russe11 | simonrvn: The command I used was 'nmap -sS -sR -sV -O -PI -PT 192.168.5.52' |
| 02:37.00 | simonrvn | russe11: ok, so what is your concern? BTW woody is ancient |
| 02:37.20 | simonrvn | woody was 2 releases ago |
| 02:37.24 | russe11 | simonrvn: I was just asking if that was normal. |
| 02:37.42 | russe11 | simonrvn: I'm required for a security competition to use a legacy operating system on one of my computers. |
| 02:37.49 | simonrvn | well, depends what you install, and what you let run and listen |
| 02:38.09 | russe11 | simonrvn: I'm talking just a fresh install, not installing anything extra. |
| 02:38.36 | simonrvn | how did you install it? running tasksel would change things a bit... |
| 02:39.03 | russe11 | simonrvn, Not sure what you mean by "how did you install it" |
| 02:40.01 | simonrvn | i mean more "did you run tasksel"? since you can install extra stuff with it, like file server task, desktop task, etc. |
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| 02:40.51 | russe11 | Okay, yes, we ran tasksel and installed SSH server and C++ development related stuff. |
| 02:41.56 | magyar | instead of doing manualy " rmmod ohci-hcd" to achive this automagicaly? |
| 02:42.05 | simonrvn | ok. well portmap gets installed, obviously sshd too, depending on what you selected in tasksel, that'll drag in other stuff that may/may not be listening |
| 02:42.18 | simonrvn | !rmmod |
| 02:42.18 | dpkg | somebody said rmmod was a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead |
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| 02:42.45 | simonrvn | russe11: so, it is normal, depending on what did |
| 02:42.49 | nodesktop | why shouldn't rmmod be used? |
| 02:42.58 | russe11 | simonrvn: Okay, well I guess I'll just whip up some quick iptables and not worry about it. |
| 02:43.05 | russe11 | simonrvn: Thanks. |
| 02:43.07 | simonrvn | because it doesn't handle the dependent modules |
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| 02:43.23 | magyar | simonrvn: how can i do modprobe -r automaticaly? |
| 02:43.24 | simonrvn | russe11: np, have fun |
| 02:43.41 | simonrvn | magyar: what's your real question? :) |
| 02:43.55 | simonrvn | i.e., what are you trying to do |
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| 02:44.19 | magyar | module ohci-hcd keeps loading on every boot, how can i disable it? |
| 02:44.51 | simonrvn | is it present in /etc/modules? |
| 02:44.59 | magyar | nope |
| 02:45.04 | simonrvn | then: |
| 02:45.07 | simonrvn | !blacklist |
| 02:45.07 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 02:45.25 | magyar | simonrvn: kernel module, in initramfs |
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| 02:45.33 | simonrvn | read ^^^ |
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| 02:46.04 | magyar | simonrvn: got it, thank you |
| 02:46.10 | simonrvn | ok |
| 02:46.15 | achilles | fn+f4 key doesn't work on my notebook, but other fn key works, how to make fn+f4 works? |
| 02:46.24 | popt | I just know irc user at #debian can set userpic |
| 02:46.30 | Tommy | hello, how can i install blobwars under debian. I get "error: unsatisfiable dependancy libc6". any help? |
| 02:46.30 | popt | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/userpics/big_abrotman.jpg |
| 02:46.46 | simonrvn | popt: talk to sussudio about it |
| 02:46.46 | popt | http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 02:47.15 | simonrvn | Tommy: er... that's installed... look at dpkg -l libc6 |
| 02:47.51 | simonrvn | Tommy: it *has* to be installed. go look at bts for that package, and if no bug reports match, file a bug on it |
| 02:48.07 | simonrvn | Tommy: (the blobwars package of course) |
| 02:48.23 | achilles | fn+f4 key doesn't work on my notebook, but other fn key works, how to make fn+f4 works?? |
| 02:48.43 | simonrvn | !tell achilles -about repeat |
| 02:48.47 | Tommy | simonrvn: could it be because the package is for ubuntu? |
| 02:49.02 | simonrvn | Tommy: don't install ubuntu package in debian |
| 02:49.06 | simonrvn | packages* |
| 02:49.28 | Tommy | is that what is the problem |
| 02:49.29 | simonrvn | achilles: where? console? x? |
| 02:49.36 | widrone | Tommy: Yes. |
| 02:49.48 | achilles | x |
| 02:50.05 | achilles | simonrvn: x |
| 02:50.27 | achilles | simonrvn: I use xev to test. no output from fn+f4 |
| 02:50.34 | amphi | achilles: what's it supposed to do? |
| 02:50.35 | simonrvn | achilles: install keytouch, it'll take care of that stuff. use keytouch-editor to set it up |
| 02:50.41 | popt | simonrvn, no interest to set userpic, but is it possible to read #debian log file somewhere? |
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| 02:50.55 | pestilence | what does it mean when the process "init" is using 100% CPU all the time? |
| 02:51.03 | achilles | amphi: that key is for switch monitor. |
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| 02:51.06 | simonrvn | pestilence: wtf |
| 02:51.16 | pestilence | simonrvn: sorry? |
| 02:51.27 | amphi | achilles: ah - what video card? |
| 02:51.30 | JeremyK | pestilence: check /var/log/messages, something init is starting is not starting properly |
| 02:51.34 | Tommy | when i try to install blobwars via source and use the make install command i get "[install] error 127" |
| 02:51.34 | simonrvn | pestilence: sounds nasty, what happened? |
| 02:51.35 | achilles | amphi: ati |
| 02:51.48 | pestilence | simonrvn: i don't know. it just started happening today |
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| 02:51.49 | simonrvn | Tommy: that's not helpful |
| 02:51.55 | achilles | amphi: oh, no, Inter 945G |
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| 02:51.58 | JeremyK | Tommy: try pasting the 100 or so lines before that (not to here though, use a pastebot) |
| 02:52.00 | pestilence | JeremyK: i checked it, but didn't see anything out of the ordinary. |
| 02:52.03 | simonrvn | pestilence: see what JeremyK said |
| 02:52.05 | pestilence | (will look again) |
| 02:52.13 | amphi | achilles: oh, no idea about that |
| 02:52.14 | JeremyK | pestilence: can you post your /etc/inittab somewhere and url it to us? |
| 02:52.22 | jasperbg | yo, we have a big problem over here in New Zealand: Etch doesn't have a modern enough tzdata to contain the DST change that happened this morning |
| 02:52.24 | JeremyK | also try checking dmesg |
| 02:52.27 | achilles | simonrvn: ok, I will try. |
| 02:52.42 | jasperbg | at work I have 200 servers with the wrong time, and I don't like the idea of pinning tzdata from lenny on all of them |
| 02:52.46 | pestilence | oh....hmmm...i just realized it started using 100% cpu when i tried to restart it this afternoon |
| 02:52.54 | pestilence | i guess it never actually restarted |
| 02:52.56 | JeremyK | pestilence: that could do it :) |
| 02:53.03 | simonrvn | yeh =) |
| 02:53.04 | pestilence | i just assumed it restarted |
| 02:53.07 | JeremyK | note: strace is a handy tool |
| 02:53.14 | JeremyK | if all else fails, strace -p 1 |
| 02:53.36 | Tommy | how can i copy from xterm? |
| 02:53.46 | JeremyK | Tommy: highlight something |
| 02:53.53 | simonrvn | Tommy: select with left button |
| 02:54.18 | simonrvn | s,left,first, heh |
| 02:54.34 | JeremyK | simonrvn: hopefully he knows how to highlight ;) |
| 02:54.44 | ameyer | I'd think tzdata could/should be updated in stable between releases |
| 02:54.50 | simonrvn | never know =) |
| 02:55.07 | pestilence | JeremyK: strace gives me "Operation not permitted" |
| 02:55.30 | simonrvn | jasperbg: well, sid's got updated fairly recently... dunno what's going with etch... using backports too? |
| 02:55.35 | JeremyK | pestilence: try running it as root ;) |
| 02:55.49 | ameyer | I mean, did sarge get messed up by the US government's lame DST switch? |
| 02:55.53 | pestilence | JeremyK: yea, i tried that. |
| 02:55.58 | JeremyK | pestilence: weird. |
| 02:56.01 | jasperbg | simonrvn: some of our servers have backports there, but not all. i'd think etch should get the newer tzdata |
| 02:56.17 | ameyer | I mean, it's just data... |
| 02:56.20 | jasperbg | ameyer: 2007g is needed to have the New Zealand DST changes, they moved the start of DST back here a bit |
| 02:56.25 | simonrvn | should yes... maybe it hasn't made it to etch yet |
| 02:56.43 | simonrvn | etch has been slow getting updates lately :( |
| 02:56.50 | pestilence | another thing that is weird is that "ps aux" gives a bunch of processes with ??? in them |
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| 02:56.57 | Tommy | alright, somehow im having extreme problems copying and pasting. Help |
| 02:57.04 | jasperbg | simonrvn: bugreport material? |
| 02:57.05 | JeremyK | weird, didn't realize you couldn't attach an strace to init |
| 02:57.16 | simonrvn | jasperbg: yeh, to hurry the thing up |
| 02:57.17 | ameyer | didn't someone important quit the security team recently? |
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| 02:57.35 | pestilence | i guess my only option is to go in and hold down the power button? |
| 02:57.40 | simonrvn | Tommy: paste with middle button |
| 02:57.54 | pestilence | the machine is 2 miles from here :-/ |
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| 02:58.02 | simonrvn | only? |
| 02:58.45 | pestilence | well, my preferred option is to get the machine to reboot normally. from here. |
| 02:58.55 | jasperbg | there's already a bug for the DST thing: #433869 |
| 02:58.55 | awesomess3 | why doesn't this work :(((-- `info bash`, The man page for bash is huge, I can't scroll through that with arrow keys :((( |
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| 02:59.09 | JeremyK | pestilence: remote power / console is the way to go :) |
| 02:59.17 | simonrvn | pestilence: shutdown -r now not working? |
| 02:59.42 | simonrvn | awesomess3: install less and pinfo |
| 02:59.43 | pestilence | JeremyK: yea, wish i had that |
| 02:59.56 | JeremyK | pestilence: put it on your shortlist :) |
| 03:00.12 | pestilence | simonrvn: no, it doesn't. |
| 03:00.18 | amphi | awesomess3: search it for what you want |
| 03:00.20 | JeremyK | i do *not* recommend APC strips. |
| 03:00.29 | JeremyK | we've got a whole pile of dead APC strips |
| 03:00.32 | Tommy | i made a paste of the last lines of my make error here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/48422 |
| 03:01.03 | jasperbg | this is really shit: the guy in that thread refuses to push this update because it's not a security update, instead telling us to run 'dpkg -i' on the .deb from volatile |
| 03:01.03 | JeremyK | ameyer: hi sir! |
| 03:01.09 | jasperbg | that's hardly a solution for 200+ servers |
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| 03:01.23 | jasperbg | in the meantime, i'm betting a *lot* of machines here in NZ are broken |
| 03:01.41 | ameyer | if I had 200 servers, I'd set up a local repo |
| 03:01.43 | simonrvn | jasperbg: volatile included in sources.list? |
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| 03:01.54 | jasperbg | simonrvn: again, has to be done on all the servers |
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| 03:02.01 | simonrvn | and local repo would be a good idea |
| 03:02.13 | jasperbg | ameyer: so would i, if i wasn't leaving the job and actually cared that much :) |
| 03:02.14 | bloodandsoil | Hi I installed Debian GNU/Linux but it failed to boot up. The point at which it failed was the agpgart line. |
| 03:02.38 | simonrvn | jasperbg: yeh, but at least running aptitude is marginally automative than having to fetch a deb and dpkg -i it |
| 03:02.39 | ameyer | if only to cache packages and save a few $$$ on bandwidth |
| 03:02.57 | jasperbg | ameyer: yeah we have an apt-proxy for that |
| 03:03.12 | jasperbg | but i don't think you can serve any old .deb from it |
| 03:03.26 | JeremyK | something tells me the debian guys would kill us if we didn't have a local repo, heh |
| 03:03.33 | pestilence | *sigh*. guess i have to go in tomorrow and give it the old hard cycle |
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| 03:03.50 | simonrvn | pestilence: :/ |
| 03:03.59 | pestilence | thanks for your help, though |
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| 03:04.20 | blq | what Kernel should I chose if I have an Athlon XP 2500? i486 or i686 or K7? *confused* |
| 03:04.48 | blq | doesn't look like any of them is makin sense |
| 03:05.19 | simonrvn | innit that k7? |
| 03:06.20 | simonrvn | i686 wouldn't hurt it for sure |
| 03:06.36 | blq | just checked it at wikipedia - Mikroarchitektur: AMD K7 |
| 03:06.41 | blq | thankyou all |
| 03:06.54 | freeone3000 | I'm running a 686 on my 2200+ and it works fine. |
| 03:07.20 | blq | I was running a 686 also before.. but this time I tried to do it correctly :) |
| 03:07.21 | simonrvn | IIRC certain p2 and up can take i686 |
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| 03:10.57 | dakoo | apt-get install dopewars |
| 03:11.26 | simonrvn | wrong window ;) |
| 03:12.22 | ameyer | I think ppro might be able to use i686 |
| 03:12.31 | ameyer | and p2 would be able to |
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| 03:15.07 | ameyer | wikipedia agrees as far as i can tell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I686#i686_Processors |
| 03:15.47 | pipeline | IIRC the i686 kernels are just optimized for i686, and don't use i686-specific kernels |
| 03:15.51 | pipeline | not like it matters |
| 03:16.00 | pipeline | k7 and k8 are 100% compatible anyway |
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| 03:17.18 | blq | looks like I've to use i686 anyway... there aren't all k7 pakets available for Xen anymore |
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| 03:17.41 | blq | at least not for the actual version |
| 03:17.56 | xzero | is the freetype2 bytecode interpreter enabled on lenny by default? |
| 03:19.23 | simonrvn | good question |
| 03:19.38 | pipeline | it doesn't really matter, since the output is awful either way |
| 03:19.42 | pipeline | it's just a matter of which kind of awful :P |
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| 03:22.33 | popt | simonrvn, no log file for this channel? |
| 03:23.23 | simonrvn | probably, there's people's own logs, dunno if there's a public one. talk to sussudio |
| 03:23.30 | popt | ok |
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| 03:30.38 | Firefishe | Whilst installing debian from a businesscard install cd, I get to a point where I get an error: "Can't verify codename." What does this mean? |
| 03:30.59 | awesomess3 | Is there a program for detecting if a log file has changed, and if so to execute a program? Maybe I should just created a simple bash script in a while loop and check its modification time and then just get the last line with a tail -1...hmmm |
| 03:31.17 | ivan-kanis | I am using 4.0, I am baffled with inetutils-inetd, it starts ipop3d but I can't find any configuration |
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| 03:31.38 | ivan-kanis | find /etc -type f | xargs grep ipop3d |
| 03:31.42 | ivan-kanis | returns nothing |
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| 03:31.54 | [Nige] | chi all |
| 03:32.02 | simonrvn | /etc/inetd.conf iirc |
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| 03:32.24 | [Nige] | can anyone give me some pointers on setting up serial ports? |
| 03:32.26 | simonrvn | ivan-kanis: looking in the wrong place... dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 03:33.34 | ivan-kanis | inetutils-inetd lists /etc/inetd.d |
| 03:33.51 | ivan-kanis | that directory is empty on my server |
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| 03:35.07 | deepak | how do i resolve the following : "Error org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy." |
| 03:35.12 | simonrvn | see inetd.conf.. |
| 03:35.42 | ivan-kanis | simonrvn: there is no inetd.conf either... |
| 03:35.49 | simonrvn | wth? |
| 03:35.58 | ivan-kanis | simonrvn: black magic, i hate that |
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| 03:36.22 | simonrvn | i have one here o_O |
| 03:36.49 | simonrvn | try doing /var/lib/dpkg/info/inetutils-inetd.postinst configure |
| 03:37.05 | simonrvn | might be autogenned, sec |
| 03:37.20 | ivan-kanis | simonrvn: thanks that's a good lead |
| 03:37.51 | deepak | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.29 | simonrvn | deepak: not allowed to mount that is my guess ;) |
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| 03:38.54 | deepak | simonrvn:exactly, so how do i enforce a policy to provide permisssions |
| 03:39.01 | jetscreamer | !rwvfat |
| 03:39.01 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 03:39.14 | simonrvn | uh, edit fstab to allow user mounts... |
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| 03:39.21 | simonrvn | hey jetscreamer |
| 03:39.37 | jetscreamer | hey simonrvn how goes |
| 03:39.48 | simonrvn | pretty good, you? |
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| 03:40.01 | simonrvn | ivan-kanis: it is auto-generated |
| 03:41.20 | Rusty1 | that dpkg is one smart dude, is there a way to list all his topics? |
| 03:41.33 | ivan-kanis | simonrvn: I am looking at ipopd.postinst, it seems to go through update-inetd |
| 03:41.36 | simonrvn | !your factoids |
| 03:41.36 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 03:41.55 | jetscreamer | i refuse to answer on the grounds that it may do something, but i'm good |
| 03:42.00 | Rusty1 | simonrvn: ty |
| 03:42.04 | simonrvn | hehee |
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| 03:42.42 | simonrvn | talk about annoying part msg ... |
| 03:42.58 | deepak | simonrvn: I m trying to mount through the gui-mode and not used any console, i guess this was achieved by gnome-mount |
| 03:43.20 | simonrvn | deepak: this matters how? :) |
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| 03:44.26 | simonrvn | Nige: set-serial, the init script, conf, etc. |
| 03:44.38 | deepak | simonrvn: coz when i see the details of it, it shows : hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000 |
| 03:44.57 | simonrvn | yes, you're not allowed... see what dpkg said |
| 03:45.16 | simonrvn | !tell deepak -about rwvfat |
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| 03:46.17 | ivan-kanis | simonrvn: well i am going back to netkit-inetd, this is just too weird... |
| 03:46.20 | jetscreamer | man mount, search umask fmask dmask |
| 03:46.51 | simonrvn | been using xinetd on some machines |
| 03:47.11 | jetscreamer | or jus tdo what the factoid said |
| 03:47.29 | ivan-kanis | simonrvn: back to basics |
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| 03:48.28 | jetscreamer | afk |
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| 03:48.53 | ivan-kanis | Package netkit-inetd is a virtual package provided by: |
| 03:48.53 | ivan-kanis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.53 | ivan-kanis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.56 | ivan-kanis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:49.16 | ivan-kanis | and they said 3.1 -> 4.0 was painless |
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| 03:49.36 | deepak | simonrvn,jetscreamers: thx for the help |
| 03:49.37 | simonrvn | please don't paste here |
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| 03:49.56 | simonrvn | ivan-kanis: never said such |
| 03:50.06 | simonrvn | !release notes |
| 03:50.06 | dpkg | it has been said that release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes |
| 03:50.11 | xtor | I have a remote web server running sarge and I want to upgrade to etch...is there a foolproof way of doing this, using "grub fallback" which will guarantee that if something goes wrong with the new kernel that it can boot back(automatically) to a fallback config with ssh connectivity? |
| 03:50.16 | simonrvn | read that ^^^ |
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| 03:50.39 | ivan-kanis | simonrvn: sure |
| 03:50.56 | simonrvn | xtor: stick sshd in inittab for the time being, or something |
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| 03:51.23 | xtor | what use is sticking it in inittab? I don't get it |
| 03:51.49 | simonrvn | uh, it gets spawned on boot... |
| 03:51.52 | xtor | What happens if my machine reboots and either grub chokes...or eth0 doesnt come up properly...can it be made to reboot in a situation liek that? |
| 03:52.18 | xtor | ok it gets "spawned" on boot...and the point is? |
| 03:52.24 | simonrvn | well then you're fucked, aren't you |
| 03:52.39 | simonrvn | make sure it doesn't happen |
| 03:53.38 | xtor | what about "grub fallback"? What is that? |
| 03:54.11 | simonrvn | i don't know what you're talking about |
| 03:54.43 | xtor | doesnt grub have some sorta fallback option where if it fucks up with a new kernel...and something goes wrong, then it reverts to what was known to work before? |
| 03:55.20 | simonrvn | it's called having more than one kernel available |
| 03:55.35 | simonrvn | not having more than one avilable is just stupid |
| 03:56.11 | xtor | so you dont know what the fallback option in grub is, I take it |
| 03:56.41 | Tramp | xtor: I just checked it in the manual. From what I understand it will not help if your system becomes unaccessible |
| 03:57.07 | xtor | Tramp it cant be rigged to do a sort of a revert to what worked before? |
| 03:57.48 | Tramp | xtor: but as I understand it, only if grub itself or the kernel fails. |
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| 03:58.28 | maher | xtor: what sort of console access do you have to your remote server? |
| 03:58.32 | simonrvn | xtor: i said as much didn't i |
| 03:58.45 | xtor | well if the kernel does NOT fail then you can still run a script on startup...that sees if you have sshd running..and if not it can instruct grub to reboot, right? |
| 03:59.15 | Tramp | Your example ("problem with an interface") is not covered. But certainly you could engineer some mechanism which reboots to a different system unless you don't do something within a certain period after boot. |
| 03:59.32 | simonrvn | heh |
| 03:59.34 | xtor | Tramp thats exactly what I had in mind |
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| 04:00.00 | Tramp | xtor: yes, I see. |
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| 04:00.45 | maher | xtor: if grub fails yo are just stuck, unless you have some sort of console access / alternative boot method |
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| 04:01.05 | Arafangion | Why might Evolution mail not open websites when I click on a link? |
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| 04:01.17 | xtor | I dont have console access which is why I want to engineer a recovery method, which does not depend on the console or ssh |
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| 04:01.47 | maher | xtor: there is no way to recover from a failed grub in your situation |
| 04:02.22 | Tramp | xtor: This I consider tricky. You will want to duplicate your running system, then boot into this alternate system and upgrade it, leaving your previously running system as fallback. |
| 04:02.55 | xtor | yeah it is indeed tricky |
| 04:03.19 | Tramp | xtor: i.e. you will require two disks or partitions or whatever is necessary to replicate your running system. |
| 04:03.40 | simonrvn | what a PITA |
| 04:03.45 | xtor | oh now THATS quite tricky...I don't think I have two disks |
| 04:04.28 | simonrvn | this is why you make sure it doesn't happen... |
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| 04:05.39 | esaym | what do I need to install to get /usr/bin/php? |
| 04:05.47 | esaym | I got php5 instaled |
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| 04:07.06 | simonrvn | php5-cli |
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| 04:08.36 | esaym | simonrvn: That package comes with /usr/bin/php5? Does it make a sym link or something? |
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| 04:09.34 | simonrvn | yes it makes a symlink |
| 04:09.55 | simonrvn | uses alternatives |
| 04:10.14 | esaym | simonrvn: You are the best, thank you! |
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| 04:10.43 | m1ke_l | what's the minimal package i need to install to just send mail off a linux box? |
| 04:11.17 | m1ke_l | dont need to recieve |
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| 04:12.26 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 04:12.28 | m1ke_l | hi |
| 04:12.38 | bintut | how do you make a permanent alias of your ath0 to eth1 ? |
| 04:13.01 | ivan-kanis | simonrvn: using netbsd-inetd fixes everything |
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| 04:20.03 | dakoo | bintut: /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
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| 04:21.25 | bintut | dakoo: that's not what i want.. |
| 04:21.39 | dakoo | bintut: you want a refund now? |
| 04:21.57 | dakoo | bring your receipt |
| 04:22.08 | bintut | dakoo: currently, my ath0 is having an ip address and now, i want that eth1 will use the same ip as what ath0 is using |
| 04:22.42 | bintut | ath0 is a wifi interface |
| 04:23.04 | Wyzard | That's something I've wondered about too... a good way to tell Debian to automatically make one interface's IP always match that of another interface |
| 04:23.40 | Wyzard | even if it changes (DHCP, etc.) |
| 04:23.53 | N0S4 | i can download a file from rapidshare with from the console? some package? |
| 04:25.40 | bintut | basically, you can make an ip aliases to the same type of interface.. but what about from wifi to wired? |
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| 04:47.38 | shockdiode | m/list |
| 04:47.42 | shockdiode | doh |
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| 04:50.24 | KurtKraut | How can I make apt download a package and all its dependencies and don't install them ? I want to transfer them to a pendrive to install in a network-less machine. |
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| 04:51.49 | sword | KurtKraut: --download-only? |
| 04:51.49 | nodesktop | KurtKraut: apt-get -d only downloads packages (into /var/cache/apt/archives), I think there also was a utility to do exactly what you want |
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| 04:52.34 | aredhel | KurtKraut, take a look at apt-zip |
| 04:52.51 | nodesktop | ah, apt-zip was that utility :) |
| 04:52.54 | KurtKraut | nodesktop, thanks but I'm a bit worried if one of the dependencies is already installed in my current machine... -d will download a already installed package ? |
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| 04:53.22 | KurtKraut | let me check apt-zip |
| 04:53.55 | nodesktop | apt-get -d of course will only download packages which aren't installed yet |
| 04:53.57 | toren | what cloop do i download for a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 04:57.23 | aredhel | KurtKraut, apt-zip was a bit of a pain for me as it uses dselect no aptitude. I have script for grabbing the urls from aptitude which can then be passed to wget. |
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| 04:57.47 | toren | nvm |
| 04:57.47 | KurtKraut | aredhel, can you pass me this script ? |
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| 04:58.01 | toren | i got it |
| 04:58.04 | aredhel | KurtKraut, give me a bit |
| 04:58.22 | PiousMinion | Anyone have any tips on getting java to work with iceweasel on etch? I symlink one plugin and it crashes. I simlynk the other and it does nothing. |
| 04:59.35 | KurtKraut | aredhel, I didn't understand yet how apt-zip works |
| 05:00.20 | aredhel | KurtKraut, http://rafb.net/p/xKNuIh48.html It's python and will need some editing. |
| 05:00.59 | KurtKraut | aredhel, I think I can manage the needed changes. Thanks |
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| 05:04.04 | aredhel | KurtKraut, the basic idea was using aptitude to select packages but not to try and install them. Then run that script, grab the files at the library, then move them in to my mirror. |
| 05:04.42 | KurtKraut | aredhel, I got it... thanks |
| 05:05.43 | aredhel | welcome |
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| 05:06.12 | PiousMinion | Anyone here use java with iceweasel on etch? |
| 05:07.27 | cafuego | aredhel: 's what apt-zip is for, isn't it? |
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| 05:08.28 | aredhel | cafuego, yes, but as far as I was able to work out it only works with dselect. |
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| 05:21.50 | tsocks | how can I use "Alt Gr" to write ñ and other caracters? (an option in setxkbmap) |
| 05:21.57 | pipeline | whoa |
| 05:22.00 | pipeline | 4front OSS is free now |
| 05:22.03 | pipeline | like, really free |
| 05:22.20 | pipeline | Now when folks come in whining about audigy2 support, we have someplace to point. |
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| 05:26.59 | pingouin | alsa dont support audigy sound cards ? |
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| 05:28.09 | rokra | Hi |
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| 05:32.54 | lhadji | Hi, I was just wondering why when I install Debian with "Desktop Enviroment" in the install, the ati driver on boot has direct rendering and works fine. But, when i Install Debian just with "Standard System" then install xorg and then kdebase, the ati works fine but without direct rendering? |
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| 05:34.44 | Sponzor | what should i look for in google. i nead informations how to add user with flages,permisions. what he can access and what not.. etc |
| 05:34.45 | Sponzor | ? |
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| 05:35.17 | predder | man adduser |
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| 05:36.39 | YouBucky | Hey Guys, does Debian have a log to check if an interface has come up or down? |
| 05:36.50 | simonrvn | no |
| 05:37.13 | YouBucky | Hmmm mind if I run my problem past you simonrvn? |
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| 05:38.12 | tsocks | My alt-gr key doesn't work with my keyboard 'us' .... does anyone knows why? |
| 05:38.28 | streuner | check out 104 or 105 |
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| 05:38.46 | lhadji | What i can't work out is, why do I have to install all of KDE to get the open source direct rendering(ati driver)? Does it have something to do with debian auto configuring it in the install? and I'm missing out on something with just installing xorg and kdebase? |
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| 05:42.11 | simonrvn | YouBucky: yes, i'm busy |
| 05:42.35 | YouBucky | Not an issue |
| 05:42.35 | streuner | tsocks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keymap#US |
| 05:43.00 | tsocks | streuner: thanks :) i'll see it ... |
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| 05:43.54 | streuner | "The US keyboard layout has a second Alt key instead of the AltGr key and does not use any dead keys" |
| 05:44.05 | hoxu | YouBucky, you mean a way to check if an interface is up now or when it was in the past? |
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| 05:46.14 | YouBucky | hoxu: Yes but heres my issue as it may put it in context. I'm modifying a device which doesnt have a screen to run Debian. According to dmesg and /var/log/boot the machine appears to boot and my hardware is recognised. Unfortunetly the machine doesnt seem to be obtaining an IP from my network so my only guess is the machine boots correctly but the interface is down |
| 05:46.32 | thkoch | Hi from germany. I've a RTL-8029 network card in my Etch and added a RTL-8139. I thought it would be automatically recognized at boot, but it isn't. Isn't there any command in Debian to start automatic hardware detection and installation? |
| 05:46.53 | YouBucky | hoxu: I've had to remove the disk to get that information |
| 05:47.26 | hoxu | YouBucky, umm, can you get a packet dump of everything the device sends? Might be easiest checking that first |
| 05:47.26 | predder | thkoch, no - your hardware should be recognised unless you don't have the appropriate kernel module, there's a blacklist rule or something like that |
| 05:47.35 | streuner | thkock: 8029 is good supported, what stops you to modprobe the module? |
| 05:47.38 | predder | thkoch try ifconfig -a to list all devices |
| 05:47.51 | streuner | 8139 is wrong |
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| 05:48.32 | tsocks | streuner: thanks :) but, i don't see any "US International" ... |
| 05:49.22 | streuner | !rtl8139 |
| 05:49.22 | dpkg | from memory, rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. see also <rtl81x9.c> |
| 05:49.40 | streuner | 8029 is "ne2k-pci" |
| 05:49.44 | YouBucky | hoxu: the cable is working as I plug in another device and it get an IP. What are your thought an adding an "if config eth0 up" to init.d/ |
| 05:49.48 | thkoch | streuner: 8029 is working, but has only 1MB/s. 8139 has 10MB/s. What's wrong about 8139? |
| 05:50.25 | YouBucky | hoxu: also according to dmesg Debian detects 2 GB nics |
| 05:51.18 | thkoch | dpkg: I've found something references to use 8139too, but I don't know how to get(?) and install a kernel module... |
| 05:51.32 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 05:51.32 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 05:52.15 | rokra | someone know how to configure 2 exim server in HA |
| 05:52.25 | hoxu | YouBucky, what's in your /etc/network/interface? |
| 05:52.40 | hoxu | YouBucky, s/interface/interfaces/ |
| 05:52.55 | hoxu | !penixstrike streuner |
| 05:52.56 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking streuner to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:53.15 | streuner | dpkg, geeksmite hoxu |
| 05:53.22 | Sponzor | if somebody is using sudo command? where is the log of that? |
| 05:53.25 | Sponzor | i did |
| 05:53.31 | Sponzor | grep sudo /var/log/messages |
| 05:53.34 | Sponzor | but noting is there |
| 05:53.47 | hoxu | Sponzor, wild guess: /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 05:54.43 | Sponzor | tnx |
| 05:54.49 | YouBucky | hoxu: the only relivent entry is "iface eth1 inet dhcp" looks like a might need to add "iface eth0 inet dhcp" also |
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| 05:55.45 | thkoch | Is there a possibility to use the hardware recognition from the debian installer to install new hardware? |
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| 05:56.43 | Sponzor | how to deactivate that the user can do su? that he cant be root. only doing with sudo command |
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| 05:57.02 | \amethyst | Sponzor: don't give them the root password? |
| 05:57.25 | streuner | thkoch: well, i just forgot hardware detection in Debian ;-) |
| 05:57.31 | streuner | !info discover |
| 05:57.37 | dpkg | discover: (hardware identification system), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.1.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 301 kB, Installed size: 724 kB |
| 05:57.38 | Sponzor | hmm. so there is no way? |
| 05:57.39 | Sponzor | :P |
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| 05:57.48 | hoxu | YouBucky, worth the try, is eth1 preceded by "auto eth1" or something? Also, check the logs to see if anything interesting is happening (like DHCP requests) |
| 05:58.03 | streuner | thkoch: discover |
| 05:58.09 | hoxu | Sponzor, you mean you want to prevent users from running "su" at all? |
| 05:58.15 | Sponzor | yes |
| 05:58.20 | Sponzor | only one user can do su |
| 05:58.33 | hoxu | Sponzor, you could remove permissions to run it then :P |
| 05:58.33 | Sponzor | for rest off user they can only do sudo command |
| 05:58.40 | \amethyst | Sponzor: I'd write a pam rule |
| 05:58.53 | Sponzor | hmm |
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| 05:59.09 | YouBucky | hoxu: modified the file. the word "auto" wasnt there. the disk is back in the device, booting it now |
| 05:59.25 | \amethyst | Sponzor: look in /etc/pam.d/su for "pam_wheel" |
| 05:59.26 | Sponzor | i go google :P |
| 05:59.30 | Sponzor | ok |
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| 06:00.08 | hoxu | YouBucky, I think you need either "allow-hotplug <iface>" or "auto <iface>" for the interface to be brought automatically up, but someone else should confirm this as I don't really have a clue :P |
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| 06:02.55 | hoxu | \amethyst, Sponzor, something like "auth required pam_wheel.so group=sugroup"? |
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| 06:03.51 | \amethyst | that would work, make sure rootok comes first |
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| 06:04.11 | Jessica | hi all. does the stable netinst image come with any graphics ui? |
| 06:04.59 | YouBucky | hoxu: thanks. disk is back out. no IP was leased! |
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| 06:05.53 | aleksanteri | got a problem here. i tried to install openoffice.org, but i got into dependency hell. so i removed openoffice.org and thought to look into it later, but i can't remove ttf-opensymbol, which seems to be broken: http://pastebin.ca/720342 |
| 06:06.20 | aleksanteri | i can't install anything because of this.. |
| 06:06.48 | streuner | aleksanteri: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 06:07.09 | aleksanteri | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 06:07.26 | streuner | show us your sources.list in paster bot |
| 06:07.30 | streuner | !pste |
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| 06:07.39 | streuner | !paste |
| 06:07.39 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 06:08.20 | aleksanteri | http://rafb.net/p/gHMsPe13.html |
| 06:08.28 | \amethyst | aleksanteri: what is your system's date? |
| 06:08.32 | Sponzor | ok what about sudo su? how to deactivate that? i tried in visudo // turbo ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL, !SU |
| 06:08.39 | Sponzor | but dont work that at all :P |
| 06:08.43 | Jessica | dpkg:do you know if the stable netimage has any type of graphics UI on it? |
| 06:08.46 | aleksanteri | \amethyst: la 29.9.2007 05:58:21 +0000 |
| 06:08.56 | aleksanteri | hey wait a minute |
| 06:09.00 | aleksanteri | it's 8:58 here.. |
| 06:09.08 | Jessica | hehehe... did I just talk to a bot? |
| 06:09.23 | aleksanteri | Jessica: dpkg is a bot |
| 06:09.32 | Jessica | lmfao |
| 06:09.35 | gustavo | can anybody help? [Sun Sep 30 02:24:34 2007] [notice] Apache/2.2.6 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.6 d\xd4U PHP/5.2.4 configured -- resuming normal operations ... but i cant load php pages :/ |
| 06:09.45 | Jessica | alek, do you know? |
| 06:09.45 | \amethyst | aleksanteri: +0000 means it's the UTC time, so that |
| 06:09.51 | aleksanteri | yeah |
| 06:10.03 | aleksanteri | my timezone is GMT+2.. |
| 06:10.05 | \amethyst | aleksanteri: so that's close enough to right (10 minutes off) |
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| 06:10.16 | aleksanteri | 3 hours off.. |
| 06:11.25 | aleksanteri | and /etc/localtime doesn't exist.. |
| 06:11.31 | \amethyst | aleksanteri: anyway, I think that rules out 387928, so take a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427447 |
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| 06:11.55 | \amethyst | actually, I guess it doesn't necessarily rule the earlier bug out |
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| 06:12.17 | mandrigal | i got an error in my fresh install |
| 06:12.58 | Regnad | What should the filename be for local udev rules? The name 10-local.rules doesn't seem very Debian-like. |
| 06:13.15 | lhadji | Can anyone explain to me why 3d rendering works fine with the open source 'ati' driver when I choose "Desktop Enviroment" in the debian install, and not when i choose "Standard System" and install xorg, then kdebase. I'm pretty sure it's because it auto configures something I'm not doing now, but I have no idea what it is. |
| 06:13.24 | mandrigal | something about am improper swap config |
| 06:13.28 | Sponzor | anybody? |
| 06:13.28 | Sponzor | :P |
| 06:13.42 | streuner | Regnad: look into udev docs (kernel.org) |
| 06:13.57 | YouBucky | hoxu: append "allow-hotplug eth0" and "allow-hotplug eth1" was already there but no luck |
| 06:14.06 | aleksanteri | hmmm |
| 06:14.18 | streuner | Regnad: why do you need that anyway? |
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| 06:14.57 | Regnad | streuner - I need to make a symlink of /dev/modem to /dev/ttyS1 |
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| 06:16.10 | aleksanteri | i still don't understand what's the problem |
| 06:16.24 | hoxu | YouBucky, what about packet dump, can you get one? |
| 06:16.29 | linux_jones | how come when i go to screen saver in gnome, it wont pull up the config xscreensaver? is there a way to do that at prompt? |
| 06:16.56 | Regnad | streuner - Is there a better approach for that than making a udev rule? |
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| 06:17.15 | jngu1 | Hey all. Is there anyway to resume a suspended job given a pid? |
| 06:17.17 | hoxu | YouBucky, otoh, if another box has no problems with connection/dhcp, I guess it's the interface that's the problem as you suspected |
| 06:17.26 | YouBucky | hoxu: so create a script on the box to packet dump on eth0 and eth1? |
| 06:17.28 | hoxu | jngu1, kill -cont <pid> |
| 06:17.30 | jngu1 | eg I suspended the job at work... but I would now like to resume it... from home, without screen |
| 06:17.33 | streuner | Regnad: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
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| 06:17.44 | jngu1 | hoxu: thanks. I knew I should've learned all the signals. |
| 06:18.02 | hoxu | jngu1, you won't be seeing the output though |
| 06:18.17 | jngu1 | thats fine. Thanks a bunch. |
| 06:18.26 | hoxu | YouBucky, no, I'd take the packet dump outside the box if possible |
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| 06:19.13 | Regnad | streuner - Yes, I'm reading that now, but the suggestion there for local rules is "10-local.rules", which doesn't seem to "fit" nicely with the existing names Debian puts there. |
| 06:19.17 | hoxu | YouBucky, and the most interesting thing is what /var/log/ say about the bootup process on the box |
| 06:20.19 | YouBucky | hoxu: check for DHCP requests? I see what you're saying and pherhaps I'm missing something but how will that help? |
| 06:20.26 | Regnad | streuner - Debian is using a naming scheme like "z50_run.rules". |
| 06:20.48 | YouBucky | hoxu: /val/log/dmesg and /var/log/boot look fine |
| 06:20.56 | shockdiode | gustavo, I take it you compiled php? |
| 06:21.07 | shockdiode | rather than using the packaged version? |
| 06:21.14 | hoxu | YouBucky, just trying to pinpoint the problem, if the logs say DHCP requests are done but no reply and your dhcp server says no requests have been received... |
| 06:21.15 | gustavo | shockdiode: yes |
| 06:21.23 | YouBucky | hoxu: no errors, hardware detects, nothing looks out of the ordinary |
| 06:21.24 | gustavo | shockdiode: im using it chrooted |
| 06:21.37 | shockdiode | ok, is php in /usr/local then? |
| 06:21.58 | jngu1 | hoxu: Does -stop suspend the process? |
| 06:22.20 | hoxu | jngu1, it stops it, same as Ctrl-Z I think :) |
| 06:22.39 | jngu1 | sounds reasonable. I guess it should be different from -9 |
| 06:22.42 | \amethyst | -tstp is the same as ctrl-z |
| 06:22.46 | \amethyst | -stop is similar |
| 06:22.59 | shockdiode | gustavo: where did you intall php, /usr/local? |
| 06:23.00 | hoxu | \amethyst, what's the difference? |
| 06:23.04 | jngu1 | yeah |
| 06:23.11 | \amethyst | TSTP can be caught |
| 06:23.34 | shockdiode | install even |
| 06:23.42 | thkoch | The problem was: The card has been installed, it only hasn't been added to /etc/network/interfaces automatically... |
| 06:23.45 | linux_jones | whats an illegal instruction? |
| 06:24.02 | YouBucky | hoxu: Yeah I see your point and its definetly valid. I'll load up ethereal quickly and check it out |
| 06:24.22 | shockdiode | gustavo: copy php.ini-dist from the source directory for php to php.ini in whatever the prefix is where you installed php |
| 06:24.26 | hoxu | YouBucky, also, are you certain the physical connection itself is ok (nic leds on etc)? |
| 06:24.28 | shockdiode | it's in the docs for compiling php |
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| 06:24.48 | gustavo | shockdiode: right... i did it too ;/ |
| 06:24.57 | shockdiode | gustavo: so if you installed php in /usr/local, copy that file to /usr/local/etc/php.ini |
| 06:25.02 | aleksanteri | this is getting annoying.. |
| 06:25.06 | shockdiode | ah, you already did that? |
| 06:25.12 | hoxu | \amethyst, you just shattered my dream, I thought ctrl-z would always work... *sniff* |
| 06:25.19 | streuner | Regnad: what stops you to just create that file? |
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| 06:25.32 | aleksanteri | \amethyst: so what should i do then? the permissions are all correct. |
| 06:26.04 | streuner | Regnad: touch /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules |
| 06:26.10 | Regnad | streuner - Nothing at all, and (when its contents are correct), all works fine. |
| 06:26.12 | shockdiode | gustavo: gah, i'm sorry i believe it's supposed to be /usr/local/lib not /etc |
| 06:26.23 | YouBucky | hoxu: I'm modifying a Thecus N5200 NAS, the Thecus works with the factory disk. I've installed my own 2GB disk with Debian. Logn story short teh factory linux distro they provide is junk which is why I'm turning to Debian. |
| 06:26.26 | \amethyst | aleksanteri: try going into each of those failing font directories and running mkfontdir ; mkfontscale |
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| 06:26.36 | aleksanteri | ok |
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| 06:26.52 | streuner | !congratulate Regnad |
| 06:26.52 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies Regnad, you did it! |
| 06:26.54 | sine | woo just got back from a nightshift... |
| 06:26.58 | Regnad | streuner - Again, I'm just trying to choose a filename that is "Debian-ish", thinking there must be a "Debian way" of naming it. |
| 06:27.14 | \amethyst | Regnad: from what I can tell, not really |
| 06:27.16 | hoxu | YouBucky, not familiar with the system, but I suppose the shipped linux distro managed to get DHCP? |
| 06:27.21 | streuner | there isnt a Debian way for udev :-) |
| 06:27.31 | sine | how can i check if a package has err certain dependancies like for instance what other programs are required for it to be used |
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| 06:27.47 | \amethyst | Regnad: debian seems to use 0NN_ for early rules, and zNN_ for late ones |
| 06:27.50 | YouBucky | Yes, thats correct. That being said I guess there is no hard in setting a static IP |
| 06:27.50 | sine | i apt-get everything but for when i reinstall im trying to get sme driver downloaded |
| 06:28.01 | hoxu | sine, apt-cache show <package>? :P |
| 06:28.17 | sine | ill try |
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| 06:28.52 | \amethyst | Regnad: but I have a few rules files that have other names, without any leading numbers at all |
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| 06:29.06 | hoxu | sine, you shouldn't need to be aware of dependencies though... |
| 06:29.16 | Regnad | \amethyst - Then I'll lean that-a-way, with the the leading 0 or z. |
| 06:29.32 | aleksanteri | \amethyst: thanks, it works :) |
| 06:29.33 | sine | hmmm is madwifi part of the debian etch package tree |
| 06:29.52 | hoxu | YouBucky, worth trying I guess, but if DHCP requests don't get out it's unlikely it'd help I think |
| 06:29.53 | YouBucky | hoxu: Actually static IP could be an issue. I had to install Debian using a laptop in order to plug in the disk. The Thecus has no vga port soldered on so its a bit of a mission to get this up and running. I know it has been done though |
| 06:29.58 | aleksanteri | now i can install OOo :) |
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| 06:30.19 | Regnad | Thanks the for comments folks. 'ciao |
| 06:30.21 | aadil | Oo |
| 06:30.26 | aadil | ;) |
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| 06:30.48 | YouBucky | hoxu: different number of NIC in each device too |
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| 06:31.26 | streuner | \amethyst: are you away? |
| 06:31.52 | \amethyst | streuner: I haven't decided yet :) |
| 06:31.57 | YouBucky | hoxu: pherhaps I'm looking in the wrong direction. Anything else you cn think of I should check to ensure the device is to the OS? dmesg and /var/log/boot look fine |
| 06:32.24 | streuner | \amethyst: * [\amethyst] ist abwesend (sleep) |
| 06:32.38 | hoxu | YouBucky, you mean to check if it's supported or what? |
| 06:32.40 | streuner | its NO lie :-) |
| 06:33.03 | \amethyst | yeah, every time I try to get out, they pull me back in |
| 06:33.14 | YouBucky | hoxu: silly question, I guess I'm just looking for comfirmation the device is booting all the way to Debian |
| 06:33.27 | sine | ok when installing from source on some package that i untarred to the desktop it says please set kernel path how do i do this |
| 06:34.07 | sine | i know i have to show it where to find hte kernel do i do some sort of uname pipe command |
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| 06:35.07 | sine | /bin/sh: line 0: cd: /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build: No such file or directory |
| 06:35.07 | sine | Makefile.inc:66: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build is missing, please set KERNELPATH. Stop. |
| 06:35.35 | streuner | whats wrong with the official kernel? |
| 06:35.55 | sine | are you talking to me |
| 06:35.55 | YouBucky | hoxu: boot.log finishes at "starting periodic command schedular: crond." as does the boot logs from succesful boots on other devices so I believe thats fine |
| 06:36.04 | hoxu | YouBucky, hrmh, well, when a network cable is unplugged my laptop prints "eth1: link down/up" in syslog, you could try that after it has booted and see if it turns up in logs, but there reeeally ought to be better ideas :P |
| 06:36.05 | streuner | sure |
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| 06:36.35 | sine | what do you mean whats wrong with the official kernel, im not sure what its actually doing. is it trying to rebuild the kernel |
| 06:36.36 | hoxu | YouBucky, cron starts after interface stuff has been configured afaics |
| 06:36.45 | sine | as part of its installation |
| 06:37.05 | hoxu | anyway, I got to run now, someone please help YouBucky debug his headless debian box to find out why it does not get a DHCP IP |
| 06:37.16 | YouBucky | hoxu: so you're saying I should have obtained a lease by that stage? |
| 06:37.37 | YouBucky | hoxu: thanks for your help |
| 06:37.43 | streuner | sine: fresh install? |
| 06:37.45 | hoxu | YouBucky, most likely, or the DHCP client should be sleeping in the background if it didn't get one immediately |
| 06:37.52 | hoxu | YouBucky, good luck :) |
| 06:37.57 | YouBucky | hoxu: thanks! |
| 06:37.59 | Sponzor | when i try to mod the visudo http://rafb.net/p/FdJwvN40.html |
| 06:38.03 | Sponzor | any clue? |
| 06:38.26 | sine | yes |
| 06:38.35 | sine | fresh install of debian etch |
| 06:38.43 | sine | what have i forgot to do |
| 06:38.44 | streuner | sine: where did you download the iso? |
| 06:38.56 | sine | net install from debian mirror |
| 06:39.03 | sine | it was fine the other day |
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| 06:39.27 | sine | 2.6.18-5 |
| 06:39.32 | streuner | sine: why fine the other day? Did that work before and now you try to re-install again? |
| 06:39.46 | linux_jones | is there a way to remover all the stuff that apt-get install ked installed? |
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| 06:40.17 | mike1o | how do I select a certain module parameter at boot time in /etc/modules ? |
| 06:40.44 | sine | streuner: no im just practising ive setup a dual boot this time. last time i isntalled madwifis no problem. this time it wants me to set kernel path which i will do. what should i do with my install after a freshish install any update procedures. ill write them down |
| 06:40.52 | sine | i have cake |
| 06:40.52 | streuner | mike1o: man modprobe |
| 06:40.56 | mike1o | is it module_name option parameter=xx ? |
| 06:41.15 | streuner | mike1o: man modprobe |
| 06:41.23 | mike1o | tnx |
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| 06:43.21 | streuner | sine: show us the whole thingie (command and error) in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste), please. |
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| 06:44.55 | sine | its ok ill work it out |
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| 06:46.06 | stiv2k | hi. how can i replace all instances of "foo" in a file with "bar" ? |
| 06:46.23 | rokra | stiv2k: sed 's/foo/bar/g |
| 06:46.34 | rokra | stiv2k: sed 's/foo/bar/g' file |
| 06:46.40 | aleksanteri | sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' file |
| 06:46.48 | streuner | sine: Do what we suggested earlier |
| 06:46.55 | rokra | stiv2k: perl -i -pe 's/foo/bar/g' file is better |
| 06:47.03 | streuner | sine: (command and the whole error) |
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| 06:49.35 | sine | http://pastebin.com/m7a6087b6 |
| 06:50.23 | streuner | hm |
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| 06:50.27 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 06:50.27 | dpkg | i guess unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 06:50.30 | tweakism | can't figure out what to apt-get to get a desktop environment after installing debian etch via debootstrap |
| 06:50.35 | streuner | #9 |
| 06:50.45 | tweakism | prefer xfce4 ONLY w/ xorg. |
| 06:50.45 | streuner | sine: does that folder exist? |
| 06:51.11 | sine | the folder exists but not the file called build (if its meant to be a file) |
| 06:52.02 | streuner | sine: headers |
| 06:52.07 | stiv2k | hey where is gnome-settings-daemon? |
| 06:52.14 | streuner | sine: are the headers installed? |
| 06:52.18 | stiv2k | did it disappear in 2.20 |
| 06:52.29 | sine | no |
| 06:52.32 | sine | i dont think so |
| 06:52.39 | streuner | sine: ok |
| 06:52.44 | sine | im sorry but its a fresh minimum net install |
| 06:52.44 | dbmoodb | hi just a quick q - should i be using the 2.6.18-5k7 or just the normal one for debian etch ? (is there any advantage of using the k7 ?) |
| 06:52.53 | sine | what are the commands i should do after every install |
| 06:52.57 | streuner | !b-e sine |
| 06:52.57 | dpkg | sine: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 06:53.02 | sine | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 06:53.04 | sine | thats the one ! |
| 06:53.18 | streuner | sine: no, thats for compiling basic apps. |
| 06:53.25 | tweakism | no one.. knows the desktop-environment package? |
| 06:53.36 | streuner | sine: but you will need the "headers" for your kernel as well |
| 06:53.45 | dbmoodb | eh |
| 06:53.48 | dbmoodb | i have both atm |
| 06:54.03 | tweakism | I have desktop-base and xfce4 but presumably there will be one that includes xorg and other normal tools on normal systems.. debootstrap installs a very stripped down system |
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| 06:54.40 | tweakism | on Ubuntu it's, for example, ubuntu-standard for normal cli system and ubuntu-desktop for gnome desktop, xubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, etc etc |
| 06:54.48 | streuner | sine: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 06:55.32 | sine | that exact syntax streuner |
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| 06:56.48 | stiv2k | so then how do i load my gnome-settings without gnome-settings-daemon |
| 06:57.00 | stiv2k | :S |
| 06:57.00 | dbmoodb | ...gnome-session ? |
| 06:57.38 | stiv2k | dbmoodb: but that loads nautilus and gnome-session and all of that i just want to load the theme settings for my gtk windows and w/e cause im trying out openbox |
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| 06:59.34 | Nige | hi all |
| 06:59.55 | Nige | does anyone have some time to spare me regarding "chatting" over minicom? |
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| 07:00.16 | streuner | dpkg, no udev is <reply> udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25> |
| 07:00.16 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 07:01.11 | streuner | why not just use telnet to IRC, i think its even more painful ;-) |
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| 07:01.38 | xingu | streuner: I dunno, ncsa telnet was ok back in the day. |
| 07:01.57 | streuner | tz |
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| 07:02.38 | shockdiode | exit |
| 07:03.00 | streuner | it should have WAP and JAVA |
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| 07:04.50 | xingu | one way to find out I guess. |
| 07:05.01 | streuner | and for this old z61 thinkpad HDs are pretty expensive... |
| 07:05.07 | xingu | my ultra10 blew up :( |
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| 07:06.22 | sine | ok how do i update apt-get im sure its not finding things that should be there. isnt there a package called wifi-tools or somthing. |
| 07:06.42 | streuner | sine: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:07.07 | sine | i did apt-cache serach |
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| 07:07.43 | streuner | !wireless |
| 07:07.43 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <rtl-wifi> for Linksys WPC11 or Netgear WG111v2. /usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan |
| 07:07.50 | sine | its ok i got them |
| 07:09.08 | streuner | sine: so you want use madwifi, right? |
| 07:10.26 | sine | yes |
| 07:10.36 | streuner | !madwifi |
| 07:10.36 | dpkg | i guess madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
| 07:10.48 | stiv2k | hey how can i have a terminal in the background clear and w/ no window border so it appears to be part of the background |
| 07:11.41 | streuner | sine: did you try "/msg dpkg madwifi-install"? |
| 07:11.46 | streuner | hm |
| 07:11.50 | roxy_ | stiv2k: don't install X |
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| 07:16.05 | kenboo | how to take a screen shot? |
| 07:16.12 | kenboo | not entire screen but just a window |
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| 07:16.57 | kenboo | nvm, i found i |
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| 07:17.49 | bolly | morning everyone |
| 07:18.02 | bolly | i have just installed etch and have a few niggles i was wondering if anyone could help me out with |
| 07:18.22 | roxy_ | in /usr/share/doc/udev/README.gz it says doc is in the docs directory, but there isn't a docs directory, where can I find it ? (testing) |
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| 07:20.49 | roxy_ | !ask |
| 07:20.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:21.16 | bolly | first thing i was wondering was about my intel pro wireless 3945abg |
| 07:21.17 | stiv2k | roxy_: lol i mean like in this screenshot: http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17956&d=1161470797 |
| 07:21.24 | bolly | how can i get this working in etch? |
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| 07:22.16 | Sponzor | what flags i have to add to user that he cant do su? |
| 07:22.29 | nvz | bolly: that makes no sense |
| 07:22.36 | xingu | bolly: ipw3945d, ipw3945-source; m-a a-i ipw3945 |
| 07:22.50 | nvz | the whole niggles thing that is |
| 07:23.06 | bolly | nvz: what don't you understand? |
| 07:23.31 | nvz | the use of the intr v. niggles |
| 07:23.46 | nvz | its got me baffled |
| 07:23.59 | bolly | i can't see anything on apt for ipw3945 |
| 07:24.06 | roxy_ | stiv2k: good idea to show screen shot from ubuntu on #debian, you need to be looged in to see it :-) |
| 07:24.10 | bolly | do i need to make changes to my kernel? |
| 07:24.15 | stiv2k | roxy_: oh damn |
| 07:24.27 | stiv2k | roxy_: forget it, im too drunk to properly find it in google |
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| 07:24.45 | stiv2k | :{ |
| 07:24.45 | roxy_ | stiv2k: but I think the best help would come from either #kde or #gnome |
| 07:24.47 | stiv2k | :P |
| 07:24.52 | nvz | as I goonulate it I'm trying to finagle it in my mind |
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| 07:25.21 | stiv2k | roxy_: im using openbox...... i want to have a terminal that just blends in w/ the wallpaper without a window manager ya know |
| 07:25.25 | stiv2k | not KDE or gnome |
| 07:26.16 | nvz | bolly: mostly I'm just wondering where you learned to talk like that.. I'm not familiar to that region |
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| 07:26.22 | bolly | yorkshire |
| 07:26.28 | nvz | ah |
| 07:26.31 | nvz | noted |
| 07:26.33 | mike__ | true true |
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| 07:27.15 | nvz | bolly: thats england? |
| 07:27.18 | bolly | yes |
| 07:27.29 | nvz | just making sure I got the right place |
| 07:27.49 | nvz | so I could call that english then.. |
| 07:28.05 | nvz | hmm.. we don't speak much of that in the US |
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| 07:28.24 | nvz | though there is a common misconception that we do |
| 07:28.24 | bolly | i'm not that strict with my typing in irc |
| 07:28.53 | nvz | don't mind me I'm just fascinated with the way people talk in different areas |
| 07:28.57 | bolly | i don't think i've ever finished a line with a period |
| 07:29.08 | nvz | I've never heard that word come up in speach |
| 07:29.15 | bolly | which word is that? |
| 07:29.19 | nvz | niggles |
| 07:29.26 | xingu | bolly: apt-cache search ipw3945; should turn up ipw3945d, firmware-ipw3945, ipw3945-source, and if you're really lucky, prebuilt modules. |
| 07:29.27 | bolly | oh |
| 07:29.48 | bolly | xingu: not getting anything with that |
| 07:29.52 | bolly | *checks his apt.conf* |
| 07:30.01 | bolly | sources.list rather |
| 07:30.02 | xingu | bolly: firmware is non-free |
| 07:30.11 | bolly | ah that explains it then :-) |
| 07:30.30 | xingu | bolly: -source is contrib |
| 07:30.50 | bolly | so it'd be deb address etch contrib ? |
| 07:30.54 | bolly | in my sources.list |
| 07:30.59 | xingu | and non-free... |
| 07:31.05 | bolly | ok |
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| 07:33.15 | mooper | hello, I have a problem setting up dovecot with exim. anyone know what I should set the default_mail_env to in postfix.conf? |
| 07:35.16 | mooper | I mean dovecot.conf :-) |
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| 07:38.23 | bolly | is there a tool for modifying the sources.list file? |
| 07:38.27 | bolly | like the one you use during etch installation |
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| 07:38.55 | xingu | man, you know you're getting old when the easiest way to burn an iso image to metal is the context menu in nautilus. |
| 07:39.29 | xingu | apt-spy? |
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| 07:40.09 | streuner | bolly: no, not really |
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| 07:40.27 | streuner | bolly: just use $editor |
| 07:40.47 | streuner | !apt-setup |
| 07:40.47 | dpkg | apt-setup is, like, a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. apt-setup is no longer available as a .deb (usable on an installed system) in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or 'netselect-apt' can be used instead. |
| 07:40.48 | bolly | i added contrib and non-free but it can't find them |
| 07:41.11 | streuner | syntax error? |
| 07:41.39 | bolly | i put dedb http://url etch contrib |
| 07:41.41 | bolly | i put dedb http://url etch non-free |
| 07:41.45 | bolly | and the src equivelents |
| 07:41.50 | xingu | rc8? what's that damn torvalds fooling with |
| 07:41.50 | bolly | deb/debd* |
| 07:41.53 | xingu | shit, or get off the pot |
| 07:42.02 | streuner | nah, you just add them in the existing line |
| 07:42.05 | rokra | what is the more practice and secure network share?? (AFS, NFS, Samba..??) |
| 07:42.07 | bolly | oh :) |
| 07:42.11 | streuner | !non-free |
| 07:42.11 | dpkg | methinks non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the DFSG. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 07:42.30 | bolly | ah great that worked |
| 07:42.31 | bolly | thanks |
| 07:42.58 | bolly | yipeee it finds ipw |
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| 07:43.16 | bolly | and modules |
| 07:44.19 | xingu | bolly: nb, ipw3945 designs are notorious for having rfkill switches; the device won't physically power its radio if it's in the kill position and the linux driver will fail accordingly. |
| 07:44.44 | bolly | that is the wireless button on my F keys? |
| 07:44.47 | Wyzard | xingu: The driver doesn't exactly "fail"... it's aware of the rfkill switch |
| 07:44.58 | xingu | Wyzard: not sure the etch one is; that's recent-fu |
| 07:45.06 | Wyzard | hmm, maybe |
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| 07:45.27 | bolly | so i add the module only or do i need this ipw3945d |
| 07:45.55 | xingu | you need ipw3945d, firmware-ipw3945, and either a precompiled modules or make one from -source and m-a a-i ipw3945 |
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| 07:46.27 | bolly | will the interface add itself? |
| 07:46.33 | xingu | righty; time to sid-ify a picturebook |
| 07:46.34 | bolly | like eth3? |
| 07:46.43 | xingu | bolly: yup, if rfkill isn't. |
| 07:46.52 | bolly | will it need a reboot? |
| 07:47.02 | xingu | bolly: shouldn't do |
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| 07:47.54 | bolly | ok that's worked :-) |
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| 07:49.00 | bolly | good god uk sunday morning tv is depressing |
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| 07:49.27 | thedonvaughn | so is US. |
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| 07:52.40 | nvz | bolly: I know they all talk funny.. heh |
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| 07:52.46 | ilyak_ | Hi everyone! |
| 07:52.54 | ilyak_ | How would I trigger slocate db update? |
| 07:53.02 | ilyak_ | It doesn't update automatically :( |
| 07:53.38 | FordCortina | when I add a script to initramfs does the script file need to be made executable? or will update-initramfs do that for me? |
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| 07:56.21 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:56.21 | dpkg | [qotd136] < Szeraax> oh how i love having multiple people |
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| 07:58.41 | ma3x | hello, under both windows and linux when I leave my laptop encoding for some time, it automatically shuts down after a few hours. I know it's overheating, but I also have the laptop running on power only (I took out the battery). Is it possible that this could be the reason? |
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| 08:00.52 | valdyn | ma3x: what? are you asking if a power outage can shut down your laptop or if operating without battery will increase heat> |
| 08:01.47 | ma3x | valdyn: if operating without battery will increase the heat or somehow contribute to the shutdown? |
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| 08:02.07 | valdyn | ma3x: ever touch a battery in use? |
| 08:02.13 | ma3x | it's hot |
| 08:02.18 | valdyn | ma3x: if anything a battery will increase heat |
| 08:02.57 | ma3x | i've had intel p4 laptop before and it didn't do shutdowns like this. I guess it's because of the amd processor |
| 08:03.27 | valdyn | ma3x: that's probably a silly conclusion |
| 08:03.35 | liable | of course it couldnt be dust, the fan, heatsink paste or anything else.. |
| 08:03.39 | ma3x | it's true amd heats more than intel |
| 08:03.49 | valdyn | ma3x: that's nonsense |
| 08:03.55 | valdyn | ma3x: some cpus heat more than others |
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| 08:04.13 | ma3x | liable: why would it be? I've cleaned it recently, and the processor/heatsink can't just move itself |
| 08:04.41 | Arafangion | ma3x: Can you touch it and keep your finger on it? |
| 08:04.41 | valdyn | ma3x: some p4 are exceptionally hot, certain athlonxp get exceptionally hot, some do not. The brand means nothing in that regard |
| 08:04.57 | Arafangion | ma3x: For a second or two, anyway. |
| 08:04.57 | Eulex | ma3x, p4s are famous for much heat for little performance |
| 08:05.00 | ma3x | Arafangion: on the battery? |
| 08:05.05 | Arafangion | ma3x: The CPU. |
| 08:05.16 | Arafangion | ma3x: If you can, it's definetly not too hot. |
| 08:05.16 | ma3x | Arafangion: hell no |
| 08:05.42 | Arafangion | ma3x: "Hell no" - ok, that sounds pretty hot, then. |
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| 08:06.01 | ma3x | I think it's pretty hot, that's why I'm not touching it |
| 08:06.05 | ma3x | if I do, I should open it first |
| 08:06.07 | Arafangion | ma3x: If it's above 80 degrees C, then you have a problem. |
| 08:06.35 | Arafangion | ma3x: Not a big problem (above 85 or so is a big problem), but a problem never-the-less. |
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| 08:07.26 | ma3x | I can't know the temperature under linux, I've tried yacpi it always shows 75 |
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| 08:07.46 | Eulex | ma3x, as does acpi -V, I presume? |
| 08:07.49 | mandrigal | somehow i ended up on gnome |
| 08:07.53 | valdyn | ma3x: check your bios temperature settings |
| 08:07.54 | Arafangion | ma3x: That's a fine temperature. Not cool, but not terribly hot either. |
| 08:08.10 | valdyn | ma3x: it's what can shut your computer down and set temperature thresholds |
| 08:08.45 | ma3x | valdyn: what's the setting called? bioses on laptops have too little features, just boot options, boot virus protection, user pass for the bios and that's almost everything |
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| 08:09.18 | valdyn | ma3x: I don't see or know your bios. Mine has plenty features |
| 08:09.39 | YouBucky | Hey Guys, if I dont know the name Debian will assign my NIC (ie: eth{0,1,2,3,4,5,6} whats the best way to ensure its brought up and configured for DHCP? |
| 08:09.41 | simonrvn | mandrigal: that's nice |
| 08:10.02 | valdyn | YouBucky: the name should be static accross reboots |
| 08:10.20 | valdyn | YouBucky: if its not, then you have a problem. |
| 08:10.27 | ma3x | valdyn: this laptop and the one before have so little features. what's your laptop brand |
| 08:10.31 | simonrvn | YouBucky: first one detected in eth0, second one eth1, etc. |
| 08:10.39 | simonrvn | s,in,is, |
| 08:10.50 | YouBucky | valdyn: Thanks, I've installed debian into a HDD which is going into a PC without the ability to plug in a monitor |
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| 08:11.27 | mandrigal | is there some way i can check to see if my swap is configured properly? |
| 08:11.38 | valdyn | YouBucky: with multiple network interfaces? |
| 08:11.47 | valdyn | ma3x: cat /proc/swaps |
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| 08:11.52 | valdyn | mandrigal: cat /proc/swaps |
| 08:11.54 | liable | YouBucky: if you have only an eth0 now, when you plug it into a new box, you can pretty much say it will be eth0 |
| 08:12.06 | valdyn | liable: uh , no |
| 08:12.11 | liable | err, eth1 |
| 08:12.16 | YouBucky | valdyn: I get an IP in the laptop where I installed Debian but once it go's into the device there is no DHCP lease being assigned. According to dmesg and /var/log/boot the device boots succesfully |
| 08:12.16 | liable | typo |
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| 08:12.47 | PietroGiovanni | hi. in my notification area, i see the network icon and it sais "no network connection", but im online (lan, behind router) can anyone advice me to remove the icon? |
| 08:12.55 | valdyn | YouBucky: delete /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules before you move the disk, then it should reassign eth0 to the first nic found |
| 08:13.09 | stiv2k | what happened to gnome-settings-daemon? |
| 08:13.17 | valdyn | !z25 |
| 08:13.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 08:13.44 | YouBucky | valdyn/simonrvn - thanks |
| 08:14.52 | simonrvn | PietroGiovanni: uh, right click remove or quit ? ;) |
| 08:15.12 | PietroGiovanni | simonrvn: theres no such option... |
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| 08:16.01 | valdyn | PietroGiovanni: network-manager only manages interfaces that are not in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:16.38 | PietroGiovanni | valdyn: like eth0? |
| 08:16.50 | valdyn | PietroGiovanni: that's an interface name |
| 08:17.34 | PietroGiovanni | valdyn: how i make it manageable? |
| 08:17.46 | valdyn | PietroGiovanni: your remove it from /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 08:19.12 | blood_soil | Hi I am having troubles installing Debian would anyone help? |
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| 08:20.13 | liable | if you ask a question, we can try |
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| 08:21.35 | blood_soil | First I installed debian-40r1-amd64-netinst and after reboot, the computer locked up at the "agpgart: Detected an Intel 965G Chipset". Then I installed debian-testing-amd64-netinst and after reboot, the computer locked up at the "agpgart: Detected an Intel 965G Chipset". Then, I installed debian-40r1-i386-netinst and during the install process I received an error regarding "uswsup" and something about not having an active swap. The install fai |
| 08:21.35 | blood_soil | led at that point. |
| 08:21.42 | neighbors | hmmmm, I'm moving this machine that runs lilo over to grub, and on machines where I install grub from the start it has it's own grub.conf and automatically inserts new kernels into the menu.lst (this one didn't create a menu.list) |
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| 08:21.52 | lukas___ | Hi, I have USB problems such that time to time kernel unmounts my disk and returns Buffer I/O error to dmesg. From that time kernel seems not to accept any usb (after plugging dmesg says nothing). Has anyone encoutered similar peoblem (2.6.22.7) |
| 08:21.59 | neighbors | is there a package specifically for setting up grub automatically or something? |
| 08:22.20 | valdyn | neighbors: read /etc/kernel-img.conf on a machine where its working |
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| 08:22.47 | Eulex | blood_soil, well, did you have a swap? |
| 08:22.50 | simonrvn | vickybot: go away |
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| 08:23.12 | neighbors | ah, thanks valdyn |
| 08:23.14 | simonrvn | vickybot: test |
| 08:23.14 | blood_soil | Eulex: Yes, I did have a swap. It was partition #3 with 8.0 GB. |
| 08:23.24 | liable | neighbors: grub-install /dev/foo and update-grub are prolly what you want |
| 08:23.34 | simonrvn | damn you got space to burn, 8gb swap... |
| 08:23.37 | Eulex | blood_soil, ok, 8gb swap o.O |
| 08:24.04 | blood_soil | simonrvn: Eulex: I have always specified 2x physical memory for swap space....is that wrong? |
| 08:24.24 | Azrael_- | good morning |
| 08:24.39 | lukas___ | neighbors: next things you can set in /boot/grub/menu.lst in the AUTOMATIC... part (comments) |
| 08:24.44 | simonrvn | uh, a little useless to do that with that much ram |
| 08:25.10 | blood_soil | simonrvn: well ok, but I receive that error about uswsup and no "active" swap on all 3 tries that I made. |
| 08:25.11 | Eulex | blood_soil, well, for 4gb ram, you would prolly only ever need 2gb swap |
| 08:25.49 | lukas___ | so no advice on usb problems? |
| 08:25.52 | simonrvn | now that he mentions it, he should probably have at least 4 gb swap |
| 08:25.53 | |HellTiger| | how can i integrate this at system boot? "rmmod usbhid && modprobe usbhid mousepoll=2" |
| 08:25.59 | simonrvn | sw suspend |
| 08:26.04 | Azrael_- | i want to disable the message of the last login+ip that appears when you login. best would be to disable the whole storage of it. how is this possible? |
| 08:26.27 | Eulex | blood_soil, is this after selecting to install a desktop system, mail server etc? |
| 08:26.32 | simonrvn | lukas___: i haven't encountered that no |
| 08:26.42 | blood_soil | Eulex: yes. it's after the "select and install" phase is over. |
| 08:26.49 | lukas___ | |HellTiger|: I think there is something like /etc/modules but for not including modules |
| 08:26.59 | simonrvn | !blacklist |
| 08:27.00 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 08:27.12 | |HellTiger| | i have found this file |
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| 08:27.17 | simonrvn | or, just use /etc/modules |
| 08:27.17 | lukas___ | simonrvn: Don't you or anyonene have some way how to trace usb problems? |
| 08:27.18 | Eulex | blood_soil, errors after that point won't make the install not succeed. you're just seeing one specific package fail to install. |
| 08:27.28 | simonrvn | you *can* put arguments in that file... |
| 08:27.30 | |HellTiger| | simonrvn: how can i add my command |
| 08:27.46 | mooper | How do I tell where my user mail is stored |
| 08:27.48 | blood_soil | Eulex: Oh. I said "No" when it asked me "Yes or No" and then my install failed. |
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| 08:28.07 | simonrvn | lukas___: see your system logs |
| 08:28.11 | Eulex | blood_soil, so... it asked you whether you wanted to continue the installation? |
| 08:28.12 | blood_soil | Eulex: I'm downloading Lenny x86 at the moment. Should I install from that, or should I try again with Etch x86? |
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| 08:28.22 | lukas___ | simonrvn: That is problem from that time dmesg says nothing |
| 08:28.35 | blood_soil | Eulex: Yes it did. It said no "active swap" could be found and "Yes or No" to continue. |
| 08:28.46 | simonrvn | /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages etc. |
| 08:28.50 | Eulex | blood_soil, probably wouldn't make a diff, use the etch x86 one. |
| 08:28.54 | blood_soil | I was like wtf. No Active Swap? So I said No. |
| 08:29.01 | lukas___ | mooper: /var/spool/mail/<id> |
| 08:29.06 | blood_soil | what kind of esoteric message is that anyway... |
| 08:29.08 | blood_soil | sheesh@! |
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| 08:29.24 | simonrvn | swapon -a |
| 08:29.36 | blood_soil | so what do I do, format and reinstall from Etch x86 from scratch? |
| 08:29.52 | blood_soil | and say "No" when it asks me about uswsup active swap? |
| 08:30.08 | blood_soil | I mean, say "yes" to continue.... |
| 08:30.17 | Eulex | blood_soil, you answer 'yes' so the install continues. then you fix that problem after the installation. |
| 08:30.23 | simonrvn | |HellTiger|: ask in one place first... |
| 08:30.34 | blood_soil | Eulex: Ok but what is the nature of the problem? |
| 08:31.13 | Eulex | blood_soil, I don't know. I'd ignore it and try to install the package again after the installation, see if that solves it. |
| 08:31.29 | blood_soil | Eulex: It does not tell me what package it is |
| 08:31.34 | blood_soil | Eulex: what package is it? |
| 08:32.09 | Eulex | blood_soil, at least it's far from a fatal error. uswsusp is for software suspend. |
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| 08:32.57 | Eulex | blood_soil, and as simonrvn told you, you prolly want at least 4gb swap if you want to use it |
| 08:33.25 | blood_soil | yea I just put 8.0 GB swap |
| 08:34.02 | gryfel | 4 GB swap? |
| 08:34.29 | gryfel | .oO( ok, don't know your system..... but....;) ) |
| 08:34.30 | Eulex | gryfel, at least as much swap as you do have ram. |
| 08:34.46 | blood_soil | ok |
| 08:34.55 | blood_soil | I am going to try reinstalling debian-40r1-i386-netinst |
| 08:34.59 | blood_soil | I hope it works this time |
| 08:35.19 | lukas___ | blood_soil: if that does not work, you can try to build it more by hand |
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| 08:35.32 | lukas___ | blood_soil: if you feel to be experienced .. |
| 08:35.52 | blood_soil | No I just want to install Debian stable |
| 08:35.56 | blood_soil | so I can start working |
| 08:36.13 | blood_soil | and I don't know why it's asking me about uswsup and active swap |
| 08:36.16 | blood_soil | :/ |
| 08:36.53 | blood_soil | and the amd64 version is freezing my computer at the "agpgart: Detected an Intel 965G Chipset" line in the boot up process |
| 08:37.07 | blood_soil | maybe I should install Ubuntu it might work |
| 08:37.11 | blood_soil | ? |
| 08:37.24 | ppalmes | !ping |
| 08:37.25 | dpkg | pong |
| 08:37.29 | lukas___ | blood_soil: well.. |
| 08:37.36 | Eulex | blood_soil, on a desktop, you'd prolly want i386 and not amd64. |
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| 08:38.00 | schemelab | how do you purge a package? |
| 08:38.00 | mandrigal | did anyone here do a fresh install from the latest etch r1 dvd i386 dvd iso? |
| 08:38.01 | lukas___ | blood_soil: I think you could start some live distro first, if it boots ok, you can use debootstrap script to install base debian |
| 08:38.02 | blood_soil | Eulex: Even if I have an Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 with 4.0 GB of physical memory? |
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| 08:38.47 | lukas___ | blood_soil: look, some times system uses swap even on system with 4 or 8GB |
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| 08:39.11 | blood_soil | lukas___: yes but why is it complaining about uswsup and "active swap"? |
| 08:39.12 | Eulex | blood_soil, well, in that case, if you want to be able to use all your ram, you'd have to run amd64, yes |
| 08:39.30 | lukas___ | blood_soil: so it is allways good idea to have it. On the other hand, once it is istalled, you can use file swap (swapd package) not partition |
| 08:39.43 | Eulex | blood_soil, I have no idea. but that function is _not_ essential to your system. if you want to use that feature, fix it after the installation. |
| 08:39.51 | blood_soil | and why is it freezing my computer at the "agpgart: Detected an Intel 965G Chipset" line in the boot up process |
| 08:40.23 | Eulex | blood_soil, that's a kernel issue. might be that you'd need a little newer kernel for that chipset. |
| 08:40.41 | blood_soil | Eulex: I tried the Lenny kernel. Same problem. |
| 08:41.15 | blood_soil | Eulex: Btw I don't have a 965G chipset I don't think. I have a P965 chipset (Asus P5B-Deluxe motherboard) |
| 08:41.21 | lukas___ | blood_soil: well, this is perhaps for 2.6.22 kernel, could you try text mode instal< |
| 08:41.25 | lukas___ | ? |
| 08:41.49 | blood_soil | lukas___: Well I can get past the installer just fine. It's after the reboot that it locks up at the agpgart line. |
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| 08:44.28 | blood_soil | whatever |
| 08:44.50 | lukas___ | blood_soil: ah, ok then what kernel version? |
| 08:45.09 | lukas___ | blood_soil: could you boot at least somehow (livecd ..)? |
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| 08:45.29 | blood_soil | lukas___: I tried the amd65 kernel in etch and the amd64kernel in lenny. both failed at the agpgart line when booting up. |
| 08:45.44 | lukas___ | blood_soil: yes, so 2.6.18 ? |
| 08:45.52 | blood_soil | yea etch is .18 i believe |
| 08:46.00 | blood_soil | lenny is what....21 ? |
| 08:46.01 | lukas___ | can you boot? |
| 08:46.04 | lukas___ | somehow |
| 08:46.04 | blood_soil | no |
| 08:46.09 | lukas___ | from live cd? |
| 08:46.13 | blood_soil | don't have a live cd |
| 08:46.25 | blood_soil | i'd have to go to the store and buy more cds and download it and burn it |
| 08:46.29 | lukas___ | ok, then boot from debian install cd |
| 08:46.52 | lukas___ | but, do not install, get new console (Alt-F2) |
| 08:46.59 | CoolCold | i've strange problem |
| 08:47.30 | CoolCold | my /sbin/update-grub adds /dev/hda records into menu.lst instead of /dev/sda |
| 08:47.53 | valdyn | CoolCold: edit the line that contains kopt in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 08:47.55 | CoolCold | and there are not /dev/hda records in /etc/fstab |
| 08:48.15 | blood_soil | lukas___: and what do I do at the console? |
| 08:48.24 | lukas___ | then mount your root partition to some directory (/mnt/disk) |
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| 08:49.13 | lukas___ | blood_soil: have it? |
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| 08:50.07 | CoolCold | valdyn: 10x |
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| 08:52.57 | lukas___ | blood_soil: it would be something like mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/disk |
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| 08:56.17 | Dewi | I was copying some files into my home directory earlier and the system completely froze. When it came back up, applying the journal to my home partition failed, so it mounted read-only. |
| 08:56.22 | Dewi | What do I do next? |
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| 08:56.40 | Dewi | I'd like to just delete the destination directory from the copy and go back to my normal life |
| 08:56.56 | Dewi | how do I make fsck happy again? |
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| 08:57.48 | simonrvn | Dewi: umount; fsck; mount |
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| 08:58.00 | Dewi | simonrvn: won't that just do the same thing as last time? |
| 08:58.06 | simonrvn | Dewi: fsck a few times |
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| 08:58.31 | Dewi | simonrvn: or does it... avoid doing some stuff to give me a chance to examine the situation first? |
| 08:58.38 | simonrvn | no because all it did was replay the journal |
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| 09:09.24 | DawnLight | wow. i find it alarming that the current chairperson of the IETF is funded by VeriSign and the U.S. government's National Security Agency |
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| 09:11.05 | dimir | Moin! |
| 09:12.11 | lukas___ | blood_soil: ok, I do not know if you pay attention to this, try to mount your root, then download the las source from ftp.kernel.org, chroot to your root (eg. chroot /mnt/my_nice_root), install kernelpackage, unpack linux-sources from ftp.kernel.org, cd into it, copy /boot/config(your kernel version) to .config into sources, do make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image modules_image, and after compilation dpkg ../linux-(perhaps 2.6.22.7.deb), then exit, u |
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| 09:12.49 | lukas___ | btw, it would be good idea to have somewhere the list of your hardware (eg. lshw) |
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| 09:18.39 | bolly | hey i'm back |
| 09:18.47 | bolly | the wireless card is detected and i can see available wireless networks |
| 09:18.58 | bolly | but for some reason when i try to connect it's not allocating me an IP almost like i am using the incorrect key |
| 09:19.00 | bolly | but i am |
| 09:19.14 | bolly | and dhcp is working fine as i have another laptop to my left and it is being allocated an ip with the same wep key |
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| 09:21.18 | hybridstorm | I am having really slow upload speeds to a server... anyone know where to start to fix it? |
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| 09:23.21 | gryfel | hyprid: Do you download at the same time? |
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| 09:24.58 | gryfel | hybridstorm: Or are you talking, you are running a server and someone can upload only slowly? |
| 09:25.24 | hybridstorm | I have a server in colo in a data center and the uploads to it are really slow |
| 09:25.28 | hybridstorm | downloads are fine |
| 09:26.56 | gryfel | the uploads from you computer at home to the server or from anyone to the server? |
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| 09:27.22 | hybridstorm | anyone, it does not look like a local issue |
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| 09:29.29 | gryfel | but you know, that adsl-lines have much slower uploads then downloads? |
| 09:29.50 | hybridstorm | yes, but even from server to server the speeds are slower |
| 09:30.24 | hybridstorm | I have 3.0mbps upload speed and I am doing like 20kbps up with nothing else major running |
| 09:30.29 | hybridstorm | I can get at least 400 down |
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| 09:30.49 | gryfel | hm..... |
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| 09:30.55 | troubled | could you imagine the chaos that would be the internet if everyone had equal up/down? |
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| 09:31.12 | troubled | instead of 100+ bots to DDoS you, you would only need 2 |
| 09:31.17 | yogamausimaus | hi |
| 09:31.23 | hybridstorm | it would be magic for sure |
| 09:31.38 | elenril | my network interfaces aren't in /dev. is it normal? |
| 09:31.42 | yogamausimaus | how are you |
| 09:31.43 | dpkg | peachy, yogamausimaus |
| 09:31.44 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:31.47 | wols_ | jelly-home: yes |
| 09:31.50 | wols_ | elenril: yes |
| 09:32.27 | bolly | my desktop background looks a bit low quality |
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| 09:32.31 | bolly | how can i get 32-bit? |
| 09:32.34 | suwro | hello |
| 09:32.35 | wols_ | hybridstorm: how fast can you upload to other servers? |
| 09:32.49 | wols_ | !tell bolly about drxx |
| 09:32.52 | elenril | where are they then? |
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| 09:33.06 | hybridstorm | wols_: atleast 100kbps |
| 09:33.06 | wols_ | elenril: nowhere. use ifconfig -a |
| 09:33.31 | bolly | wols_: it says no X server known for my video hardware |
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| 09:33.47 | wols_ | bolly: what hardware do you have? |
| 09:33.56 | bolly | nvidia geforce 7950 gtx |
| 09:34.01 | bolly | but the mobile version |
| 09:34.07 | wols_ | and what driver do you use? |
| 09:34.14 | bolly | nv i think? |
| 09:34.19 | suwro | any news about kde 4 on debian? |
| 09:34.19 | bolly | i think that is what i picked lasts time |
| 09:34.20 | bolly | last* |
| 09:34.30 | wols_ | so it should work just fine. maybe tell us the real error message |
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| 09:34.58 | wols_ | suwro: there is now kde4 yet |
| 09:35.13 | timbobsteve | hey everyon |
| 09:35.15 | timbobsteve | e |
| 09:35.19 | timbobsteve | :P |
| 09:35.23 | wols_ | bolly: better yet, pastebin your X log |
| 09:35.32 | bolly | ok |
| 09:36.22 | suwro | wols_: It's in beta stage - i've read somewhere that until stable goes out - no chance to get kde4 in sid!- still true??? |
| 09:36.25 | bolly | is it pastebin.org |
| 09:36.55 | wols_ | !paste |
| 09:36.55 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 09:37.42 | suwro | from KDE page: ' KDE Project Ships Second Beta Release for Leading Free Software Desktop, Codename "Cartoffel" ' |
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| 09:38.38 | bolly | wols_: http://pastebin.com/d70292669 |
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| 09:39.11 | gryfel | !tell gryfie about drxx |
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| 09:40.13 | mike1o | !it |
| 09:40.13 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 09:40.33 | wols_ | bolly: and what error do you get? |
| 09:40.38 | mooper | How would I set up a proxy? |
| 09:40.56 | bolly | x just starts up ok but the background quality seems low |
| 09:40.58 | mooper | I cant talk to my server from my gf's house :-( |
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| 09:41.42 | mandrigal | do ihave to do something special to get metacity to work |
| 09:41.48 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:42.47 | mooper | wols_: uhm, the network its on is very badly set up. Ive been having this problem for ages |
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| 09:43.06 | mooper | It works for some, not for others. |
| 09:43.11 | wols_ | bolly: but you already use 24bit color |
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| 09:43.23 | bolly | that's what i thought |
| 09:43.28 | wols_ | !tell mooper about errors |
| 09:43.35 | bolly | maybe it's the background image that comes with debian |
| 09:43.38 | wols_ | mooper: also how would a proxy hellp? a proxy where? |
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| 09:44.04 | thedonvaughn | mooper: you an access your box from some sites but not others? either a) it's a routing problem on your g/f's ISP end. Or you have a NAT/firewall setup and need to allow entrance for that paticular site |
| 09:44.05 | bolly | hmm no that can't be right |
| 09:44.05 | mike1o | !v4l |
| 09:44.06 | wols_ | bolly: I doubt it that it isn't 32bit |
| 09:44.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, v4l is video for linux. http://www.exploits.org/v4l/ |
| 09:44.11 | wols_ | tho mine is simply uniform blue |
| 09:44.22 | bolly | can i paste screenshots |
| 09:44.31 | wols_ | !tell bolly about paste |
| 09:44.33 | xand | !pastepic |
| 09:44.37 | xingu | hoorah for bios bugs! |
| 09:44.56 | xingu | why would you want to allocate resource regions for a pcmcia controller if you didn't have a card attached at boot |
| 09:45.05 | xingu | it's not like it's hotplug or anything |
| 09:45.18 | wols_ | xingu: it isn't? |
| 09:45.28 | xingu | sliiiiiightly sarcastic |
| 09:45.28 | xand | umm... yes it is |
| 09:45.28 | mooper | wols_: I have, point a, b and c. a is me, at my gf house. b is work box in holland and c is me server in london. I cant connect a to c, but I can connect a to b and b to c. If fact Im sshing via holland to try and set up mailserver. |
| 09:45.32 | wols_ | if I plug in a card, it's recognized... |
| 09:45.44 | bolly | http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_2.png |
| 09:45.44 | mooper | I need http access |
| 09:45.50 | bolly | see how the colours aren't blending right |
| 09:46.11 | thedonvaughn | mooper: um obviously you have some sort of firewall setup. You have to know your setup before we can help you |
| 09:46.14 | wols_ | mooper: use something like squid or even privoxy |
| 09:46.18 | mooper | thedonvaughn: yeah, I think its ISP. Its talk talk in the UK. not the best reputaion |
| 09:46.25 | thedonvaughn | oh |
| 09:46.25 | wols_ | just make sure it's not an open proxy |
| 09:46.47 | thedonvaughn | i guess proxy could help if it's indeed a routing issue |
| 09:46.51 | wols_ | mooper: maybe set up a VPN |
| 09:46.53 | xand | bolly: looks fine to me... maybe it's your card/monitor |
| 09:46.54 | troubled | xingu: heya. good timing, just seen two 1918 ping zing by me :) |
| 09:47.16 | mooper | I have an openvpn connection to holland, can I get http access to my server thru that? |
| 09:47.31 | bolly | monitor incorrectly set? |
| 09:47.38 | wols_ | mooper: yes |
| 09:47.47 | mooper | wols_: how might I do that? |
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| 09:48.46 | wols_ | what are is the IP of the OPenVPN endpoint at your server you can't reach? |
| 09:49.04 | wols_ | provided your gf runs openvpn too (there are windows versions and osx versions) |
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| 09:49.25 | wols_ | bolly: could be. is it a TFT? and what res do you run? |
| 09:49.49 | wols_ | bolly: TFTs have only one res where they look good. in all others they have to scale and look like shit |
| 09:49.53 | bolly | i have a dell xps m1710 |
| 09:50.10 | bolly | default is normally 1900x1200 |
| 09:50.11 | wols_ | that'S groovy but useless for us to know. what native res does the screen have? |
| 09:50.13 | mooper | wols_: I have a openvpn connection to holland from my ubuntu laptop. sorry, I didnt quite understand you |
| 09:50.22 | wols_ | bolly: and is your X running 1900x1200? |
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| 09:50.55 | xand | the screenshot is 1920x1200 |
| 09:51.02 | bolly | yeah that's right |
| 09:51.07 | wols_ | mooper: insttall openvpn on your gf's PC and connect it to your openvpn server |
| 09:51.16 | mooper | wols_: done |
| 09:51.30 | bolly | i couldn't see the option for 1900 in the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:51.54 | mooper | wols_ I have openvps to holland, now what? |
| 09:52.21 | wols_ | your server in london has openvpn connection too? just ping it |
| 09:52.31 | wols_ | with the openvpn IP of course |
| 09:52.56 | bolly | gonna try changing it in xorg.conf |
| 09:52.57 | bolly | brb |
| 09:53.18 | mooper | wols_: I can ping and connect to my server in london on the holland box via ssh over the vpn. |
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| 09:54.08 | mooper | I want to be able to browse the internet over the vpn |
| 09:54.22 | wols_ | I long ago told you what to use |
| 09:55.13 | mooper | wols_ so I need to set up squid on the holland box? |
| 09:55.33 | wols_ | use privoxy and make it only listen on the VPN interface |
| 09:56.12 | wols_ | mooper: your gf has openvpn installed? you always talk about ssh... |
| 09:57.00 | mooper | wols_: yes, I can only connect via ssh over vpn to the box in holland. there is no external ssh. |
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| 09:57.47 | wols_ | k, then do as I told you and set up a proxy wherever you want inside the VPN and point the browser at your gf to the proxy |
| 09:58.03 | wols_ | and only let the proxy listen on the tunX interface/IP so it's not public |
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| 09:58.14 | wols_ | privoxy would be easiest for such a small usage imho |
| 09:58.26 | mooper | wols_: okay, then it is not possible today. I dont have admin access to the box in hollnad |
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| 09:58.39 | wols_ | amphi: you can do it in london too |
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| 10:00.53 | bloodandsoil | I just installed Debian Etch, how do I upgrade to Lenny? |
| 10:01.53 | jeffrin | bloodandsoil : apt-get |
| 10:02.37 | Arafangion | bloodandsoil: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && vim /etc/sources.list && aptitutde update && aptitude upgrade |
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| 10:05.19 | cur4tor | Does an CPU-Usage of 10% but and load average of 2.15 mean, that theres somewhere an bottleneck? |
| 10:05.53 | cur4tor | shouldn't it be in perfect case an load average of 1.0 ? |
| 10:05.55 | Arafangion | cur4tor: Yeah, an IO bottleneck. |
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| 10:06.41 | cur4tor | Arafangion so what ud suggest? Right now im using Anticipatory scheduler. Shall i change it? to what? is this suggestion dumb? :D |
| 10:07.31 | wols_ | cur4tor: buy a faster disk subsystem or reduce your I/O load |
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| 10:07.46 | wols_ | but: is it any problem if your box is actually working for its electricity? |
| 10:09.28 | ma3x | are 4,7 GB DVDs 4700 megabytes? |
| 10:09.43 | Arafangion | ma3x: No, it's an approximate number. |
| 10:09.54 | Arafangion | ma3x: Not sure if it's metric GB, or GiB. |
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| 10:10.24 | ma3x | well how many megabytes is the dvd disc that advertises 4,7 gb? |
| 10:10.25 | cdleonard | I installed libboost-filesystem-dev and there's no /usr/include/boost/filesystem.hpp |
| 10:10.28 | cdleonard | in debian testing |
| 10:10.46 | Arafangion | ma3x: More than 4700 MB. :) |
| 10:10.51 | xingu | cur4tor: what does top say in "%wa" position? |
| 10:11.01 | cur4tor | 0.0% |
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| 10:11.02 | Arafangion | ma3x: Possibly less. ;) |
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| 10:11.14 | xingu | cur4tor: it's not an io bottleneck then. |
| 10:11.32 | xingu | cur4tor: how about %hi/%si and %sy ? |
| 10:12.21 | cur4tor | all at 0.0 . but few minutes ago i realized an very very short jump of %si |
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| 10:13.31 | xingu | cur4tor: probably just looking at a measuring artifact then; at the point where top collects its metrics there are 2.15 runnable tasks and each is using less than a full scheduling quantum |
| 10:13.55 | xingu | cur4tor: ie, you probably have a workload that is blocking waiting on real-world events. |
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| 10:18.37 | cur4tor | xingu ideas of how to find out wheres the.... 'problem'? |
| 10:18.51 | xingu | cur4tor: I doubt there is one with those metrics |
| 10:18.55 | jetscreamer | 4.3 |
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| 10:20.12 | Sponzor | i m running love disk space on /. and on /home i have 3gb left |
| 10:20.23 | Sponzor | and i dont nead it on /home. what to do to add that disk space to / |
| 10:20.24 | Sponzor | ? |
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| 10:21.00 | cur4tor | xingu so there is no -real- problem..? |
| 10:21.09 | capiira | lol anyone noticed that the songbird bird is constantly farting :D http://www.songbirdnest.com/ |
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| 10:21.20 | Arafangion | Sponzor: Not simple, you can use symbolic link tricks, unless you use LVM, but it still might not be simple. |
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| 10:21.51 | xingu | cur4tor: if there's no iowait, insignificant interrupt load, and no system time - then your box is basically twiddling its thumbs. |
| 10:22.00 | Sponzor | hmm |
| 10:22.11 | xingu | cur4tor: in my world, *that* is a problem; you've turned a lot of dollars into a paperweight. |
| 10:22.14 | Sponzor | sux |
| 10:22.22 | Sponzor | any easy way wont be an option :P |
| 10:23.26 | cur4tor | xingu will this load average ever harm other processes of working fastest way possible? |
| 10:23.50 | xingu | cur4tor: again, not with those loading metrics |
| 10:24.10 | cur4tor | xingu so im happy. thanks for explaining me :) |
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| 10:25.06 | cur4tor | xingu aah, there is again this jumping of %si to 2.4 and back to 0.0 . its uninteresting i bet? |
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| 10:26.37 | Sponzor | arafangion do you have mybe a link of howto or anyting of that? |
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| 10:26.44 | Sponzor | that i can read and try :P |
| 10:26.51 | xingu | cur4tor: yes; at 10-15% sustained I'd be a bit more interested. |
| 10:27.04 | cur4tor | xingu fine. |
| 10:28.43 | Arafangion | Sponzor: It consists of mkdir /home/opt, cp -rp /opt /home/opt, rm -rf /opt, ln -s /opt /home/opt |
| 10:28.50 | Arafangion | Sponzor: Such hacks like that. |
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| 10:29.30 | Arafangion | Sponzor: Double-check with the man pages, and ensure that every file is moved in a consistent state (ie, stop any databases that might be using such files, etc) |
| 10:29.44 | Sponzor | hmm |
| 10:29.47 | Sponzor | ok |
| 10:29.48 | Arafangion | Sponzor: Must also ensure that file permissions are kept consistent, and watch out for sparse files. |
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| 10:31.43 | war | hm |
| 10:31.50 | war | ? |
| 10:32.02 | bloodandsoil | Arafangion: Why aptitude and not apt-get? And why do I update and dist-upgrade before editing sources.list? |
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| 10:32.46 | jetscreamer | !why aptitude |
| 10:32.46 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 10:34.01 | wols_ | bloodandsoil: you do it to make sure you are up-to-date in etch |
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| 10:34.51 | bloodandsoil | wols_: Why should I be up-to-date in Etch, if I will be switching to Lenny? |
| 10:35.04 | rummeldibummel | hi does anybody know a package with blender 2.45? |
| 10:35.10 | rummeldibummel | i really need it |
| 10:35.23 | wols_ | rummeldibummel: I really need a pony |
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| 10:35.44 | jetscreamer | !archives |
| 10:35.44 | dpkg | archive is probably a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
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| 10:36.07 | capiira | rummeldibummel, its in unstable |
| 10:36.11 | jeffrin | i think blender is available for free download |
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| 10:36.19 | jetscreamer | blender is in sources |
| 10:36.37 | jetscreamer | !info blender etch |
| 10:36.38 | roxy_ | wols_: do you have place for it ? |
| 10:36.40 | dpkg | blender: (Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.42a-7 (etch), Packaged size: 6182 kB, Installed size: 16116 kB |
| 10:36.40 | jetscreamer | !info blender |
| 10:36.44 | dpkg | blender: (Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.45-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7035 kB, Installed size: 18500 kB |
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| 10:37.03 | capiira | he did part |
| 10:37.05 | capiira | :D |
| 10:37.13 | jetscreamer | o |
| 10:37.20 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 10:37.20 | wols_ | roxy_: yes. my bed is big enough |
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| 10:37.37 | frold | I have a debian 4.0 webserver and Im installing a script that need GD support, howto install: "GD graphics support" |
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| 10:41.34 | jeffrin | what is GD |
| 10:41.36 | tweakism | custom kernel 2.6.22.9, m-a auto-install nvidia fails, but doesn't put anything in the log file. just these two lines: |
| 10:41.42 | tweakism | Build log starting, file: /var/cache/modass/nvidia-kernel-source.buildlog.2.6.22.9.1191148620 |
| 10:41.45 | tweakism | Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:37:00 +0000 |
| 10:41.56 | tweakism | jeffrin: a library for raster image manipulation? |
| 10:42.16 | jeffrin | ok |
| 10:42.31 | wols_ | frold: apt-cache search libgd |
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| 10:42.50 | yang | wols_: after i replaced "default 0" with "default 1" grub's menu.lst value do i need to execute update-grub ? becouse it doesn't boot to desired kernel ? |
| 10:43.13 | tweakism | yang: no, grub reads the config file at boot time |
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| 10:43.26 | jeffrin | apt-cache search libgd |
| 10:43.33 | wols_ | yang: no. edits in menu.lst are immediate |
| 10:43.38 | jeffrin | shows you GD stuff |
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| 10:46.03 | tweakism | hrm, wonder how I can debug this. |
| 10:46.12 | tweakism | since there's nothing in the log file |
| 10:47.35 | yang | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/38423 And I would like Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.21-2-686 to get booted... |
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| 10:49.22 | jetscreamer | tweakism: well you weren't root, for one... |
| 10:49.35 | tweakism | jetscreamer: yes, I am |
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| 10:49.55 | jetscreamer | not with the modass thing, iirc |
| 10:50.11 | tweakism | jetscreamer: eh? |
| 10:50.17 | frold | where is: imagick located after apt-get install php5-imagick ? |
| 10:50.33 | jetscreamer | : /var/cache/modass/nvidia-kernel-source.build |
| 10:50.35 | tweakism | frold: dpkg -L php5-imageick |
| 10:50.51 | tweakism | spelled right though |
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| 10:51.18 | tweakism | jetscreamer: I don't understand how that means I wasn't root. |
| 10:51.28 | tweakism | jetscreamer: that log file contains what I posted above. |
| 10:51.32 | tweakism | ie, those two lines |
| 10:51.49 | tweakism | google isn't helping. grr. |
| 10:52.01 | tweakism | at least X autoconfigured w/ nv |
| 10:52.09 | jetscreamer | tweakism: i'm not really an m-a expert, but everytime i run it as non-root is when it uses the modass (instead of modules) directory |
| 10:52.28 | tweakism | jetscreamer: hrm. I'm def root, let me try a couple things. |
| 10:52.32 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt works ... |
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| 10:53.44 | tweakism | jetscreamer: yeah, there is that. I'm trying to avoid it, but meh |
| 10:53.48 | tweakism | jetscreamer: might as well I guess |
| 10:54.05 | frold | tweakism: it list a lot of dirs : like: /usr/share/doc/php5-imagick/examples |
| 10:54.21 | tweakism | frold: yes, those are all the things php5-imagick added to your system. |
| 10:54.25 | tweakism | ie, the contents of that package |
| 10:54.38 | tweakism | remember that command for future reference |
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| 10:55.20 | bolly | still no luck |
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| 10:56.14 | Internat | anyone happent o know off the top of the head, what the website is that has all the supported tvcards for linux? |
| 10:56.16 | Quibus | hi, my USB mouse stopped working, but it does appear in 'dmesg'... What could be wrong? I'm following testing. |
| 10:56.26 | bolly | why is my ip not being picked up over wireless from dhcp - does gnomes network manager not let you set the key size? |
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| 10:56.57 | frold | tweakism: I have saved the command to my debian ssh libary :D |
| 10:57.16 | frold | thanks :D |
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| 11:00.22 | alykde | guys webcam drivers need modprobe ? |
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| 11:01.29 | b1z | someone got an up-to-date filesystem benchmark? (including reiser4, jfs, xfs...) |
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| 11:01.49 | alykde | :? |
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| 11:02.12 | cahoot | alykde, seems to me udev handles that (sid) |
| 11:02.15 | wols_ | alykde: yes, some need kernel modules |
| 11:02.38 | kakaroto_ | Hello to all |
| 11:02.52 | yang | wols_: could you tell me which "default" value should i give there in menu.lst? |
| 11:02.53 | alykde | ok thx |
| 11:02.55 | mohkohn | I am just in the process of downloading the new netinstall and using a usb to install debian |
| 11:03.22 | wols_ | yang: 1 "should" work. perosnally, I use "save" (it's a dualboot machine) |
| 11:03.34 | mohkohn | Does the new tasksel that sets up the xfce-desktop set your sound up or do you need to do that manually? |
| 11:03.58 | wols_ | mohkohn: often manually |
| 11:04.02 | wols_ | use alsaconf |
| 11:04.05 | wols_ | !install alsa |
| 11:04.09 | yang | wols_: I have 1 - but i wonder why it still botts the older kernel |
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| 11:04.28 | roxy_ | b1z: is that new enough: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 |
| 11:04.32 | mohkohn | wols_ apt-get install alsa-utils? |
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| 11:04.51 | cahoot | mohkohn, what version of debian? |
| 11:04.56 | wols_ | !alsa install |
| 11:04.56 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa install is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 11:04.59 | mohkohn | etch |
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| 11:05.07 | kakaroto_ | guys i would like to know if i can make debian dvds from cds? |
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| 11:05.26 | haier_on_Mars | hello |
| 11:05.33 | wols_ | kakaroto_: why not just download the DVDs? you can probably do it with jigdo but not worth the effort |
| 11:05.38 | mohkohn | I am sitting in an internet cafe in Cambodia and don't have a cd |
| 11:05.43 | haier_on_Mars | how can i make flash animations under debian ? |
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| 11:06.09 | mohkohn | so I am following these destructions http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/446 |
| 11:06.11 | cahoot | mohkohn, you want alsa-util yes |
| 11:06.20 | cahoot | alsa-utils |
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| 11:06.54 | mohkohn | 14.36 min till the moment of truth |
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| 11:07.27 | kakaroto_ | wols_: I dont have a fast internet connection, but a friend of mine gave me few debian cds and I woul like make dvds from it. |
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| 11:07.36 | mohkohn | I have been playing around with gentoo but I find I miss apt!! |
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| 11:08.28 | leberkaes | I cant understand, why someone would invest so many compile time |
| 11:08.44 | xand | !greenhouse |
| 11:08.45 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 11:08.59 | leberkaes | And then you can make your keyboard wet, because KDE boots 1 second earlier thant at a binary distro |
| 11:09.14 | mohkohn | lol |
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| 11:09.32 | roxy_ | leberkaes: go LFS, go! |
| 11:09.34 | Carry | 10:33:57 [freenode] Warning: Port sent with DCC request is a lowport (0, unknown) - this isn't normal. It is possible the address/port is faked (or maybe someone is just trying to bypass firewall) |
| 11:09.47 | Carry | how many idiots are there :/ ? |
| 11:10.08 | kakaroto_ | please some one knows how to make dvds from few debian cds? |
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| 11:10.33 | Carry | 10:22:05 [freenode] DCC SEND from JEWSARESHIT [0.0.0.0 port 0]: I_SMELL_NIGGER [0B bytes] requested in channel #debian |
| 11:10.37 | Carry | 10:25:36 [freenode] Warning: Port sent with DCC request is a lowport (0, unknown) - this isn't normal. It is possible the address/port is faked (or maybe someone is just trying to bypass firewall) |
| 11:10.55 | Carry | are there more people getting this? |
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| 11:11.08 | Blackgoth | nope Carry |
| 11:11.14 | Dave_is_sexy | Hi guys, is there anything for Debian which compares to MS Photosynth, or did MS actually do something original? |
| 11:11.19 | Dave_is_sexy | http://www.crazyleafdesign.com/blog/photosynth-prototype/ |
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| 11:11.43 | wols_ | Carry: that idiot did the same yesterday. tell #freenode about it |
| 11:11.44 | xand | Carry: not today |
| 11:11.44 | Carry | Blackgoth: i get a lot of these dcc's.. |
| 11:12.05 | Carry | xand: not yet ;) .. crazy... |
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| 11:12.27 | Carry | wols_: was yesterday.. |
| 11:12.38 | xand | and the day before |
| 11:12.46 | Quibus | Can someone help me with my USB mouse problem, please? |
| 11:12.53 | Carry | xand: check it... |
| 11:12.56 | xand | is it just me or does the wine in lenny not support sound |
| 11:13.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Quibus: Maybe, if you tell us what the problem is |
| 11:13.14 | wols_ | xand: I always use winehq packages. better results for me |
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| 11:13.26 | Quibus | Dark_Apostrophe: my USB mouse stopped working, but it does appear in 'dmesg'... What could be wrong? I'm following testing. |
| 11:13.31 | dergraf_ | Hi |
| 11:13.35 | xand | wols_: they don't have debian packages last I checked, but I've compiled from their sources before |
| 11:13.45 | Dave_is_sexy | lol. i'll take the silence as a collective refusal to admit MS did something good then ;) |
| 11:13.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Quibus: Does it respond to clicks? Have you tried a different USB port? |
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| 11:14.09 | wols_ | xand: must have checked a long time ago. they have etch packages that work fine in sid |
| 11:14.17 | Quibus | Dark_Apostrophe: it doesn't work at all anymore, but the cradle's LED is ON, so the USB port is OK |
| 11:14.17 | wols_ | http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb |
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| 11:14.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Quibus: Did you connect it to the cradle? |
| 11:14.51 | Quibus | sure, that always worked by just clicking a button |
| 11:15.27 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: that's a nice blank video |
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| 11:15.27 | dergraf_ | I have a Kerberos problem: When I try kinit on my KDC I get "Cannot contact any KDC for requested realm...". On another computer I can get my ticket just fine |
| 11:15.27 | Quibus | it stopped working after I turned off and on my monitor on which the USB hub is, where it is plugged in |
| 11:15.27 | dergraf_ | Any ideas what could cause this? |
| 11:15.27 | kakaroto_ | please some one knows how to make dvds from few debian cds? |
| 11:15.27 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: oh... an acquisition... like everything else, they didn't actually write it themselves then :P |
| 11:15.41 | xand | kakaroto_: is there any point? |
| 11:15.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Quibus: Does it have enough power? |
| 11:15.45 | Quibus | I guess some package got installed yesterday that may cause this, and the turn off/on caused a reload |
| 11:15.48 | Quibus | Dark_Apostrophe: definately |
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| 11:16.18 | Dave_is_sexy | xand: perhaps you're missing the latest flash? the link is fine |
| 11:16.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Quibus: Read /var/log/dpkg.log and find out which package it is |
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| 11:16.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | Quibus: Maybe you accidentally removed xserver-xorg-input-mouse |
| 11:16.47 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: ew |
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| 11:17.24 | Quibus | Dark_Apostrophe: no, nothing got removed. Yesterday was only KDE packages and some stuff from Marillat |
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| 11:17.48 | Quibus | so, probably not a package from yesterday after all |
| 11:17.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Quibus: Try running apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-mouse to be sure |
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| 11:18.04 | Quibus | Dark_Apostrophe: my PS/2 mouse works fine |
| 11:18.12 | Quibus | just teh wireless USB one stopped |
| 11:18.16 | Dave_is_sexy | xand: hahaha. i love the resentment! |
| 11:18.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | Batteries? |
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| 11:18.35 | Quibus | Dark_Apostrophe: the light works fine, and the 'empty' LED is not lit... so should be OK |
| 11:18.45 | Quibus | also, it does show up fine in dmesg |
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| 11:19.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Quibus: Did you try reconnecting/synchronizing it with the cradle? |
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| 11:20.22 | Quibus | Dark_Apostrophe: hmm, I thought I did, but I just did it again and it works now :-) |
| 11:20.32 | Quibus | Dark_Apostrophe: thanks for coaching :-) |
| 11:20.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Great, problem solved. :) |
| 11:20.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | no problem |
| 11:22.12 | gonzaloaf | !3gp |
| 11:22.12 | dpkg | methinks 3gp is a simplified version of the MPEG-4 Part 14 (MP4) container format, designed to decrease storage and bandwidth requirements in order to accommodate mobile phones. It stores video streams as MPEG-4 or H.263 or H.264, and audio streams as AMR-NB or AAC-LC. A 3GP file is always big-endian, storing and transferring the most significant bytes first. It also contains descriptions of image sizes and bitrate. |
| 11:22.18 | Quibus | see you later |
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| 11:24.19 | dob1 | hi, i have a testing/unstable after a long time i decide to do a dist-upgrade, then it wants to remove some package http://pastebin.com/m5a6d357e i see modutils on that list, it is safe this dist-upgrade? |
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| 11:24.40 | othernick | I can't see my fonts in most applications. I finally got nvidia-glx to play ball. and nw all my fonts in kde are invisible. |
| 11:24.45 | othernick | what could cause that? |
| 11:24.52 | othernick | nw=now |
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| 11:28.07 | othernick | I can see the text in an xterm, but konsole fonts are invisible. I'm stuck please help. |
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| 11:28.40 | dob1 | maybe look in xorg.conf |
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| 11:33.36 | Kifah | hi guys....how do i pack a folder with its subfolders, while keeping file rights the same? |
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| 11:36.28 | haier_on_Mars | have someone already used blender with ltsp ? |
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| 11:37.37 | enyc | Kifah: you mean create a compressed archive? |
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| 11:37.43 | rmaj | omg debian's packet manager is so annoyinh |
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| 11:38.00 | Kifah | yes enyc compressed archive while keeping rights of files, and keeping subfolders |
| 11:38.06 | rmaj | how to tell aptitude to f*off from my kernel which I installed by hand (and I have unmounted /boot) |
| 11:38.11 | enyc | Kifah: I think you can do that with tar |
| 11:38.25 | rmaj | to just forget about kernel-image*, never worry about (un)(re)installing them? |
| 11:38.28 | enyc | Kifah: you may need 'p' (preserve) or 'a' (archive) flag in there |
| 11:38.41 | Kifah | hmmmm |
| 11:38.44 | enyc | Kifah: you way need to be root to preserve the username/groupname of files |
| 11:38.47 | Kifah | aight p sounds relevant |
| 11:38.53 | Kifah | i am root |
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| 11:39.28 | xushi | hi all |
| 11:39.37 | Kifah | well the thing is, i want to move a joomla installation to another computer |
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| 11:39.48 | Kifah | so i do not wanna mess with folder and file rights again |
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| 11:40.32 | enyc | Kifah: err... it seems that tar as root these days preserves uid + permissions |
| 11:40.54 | enyc | Kifah: NOTE -- I think tar saves the UID+GID _names_ and _numbers_ in the archive |
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| 11:41.14 | enyc | Kifah: and I think it will use the _names_ on remote-system _if_ they exist in passwd/group files already |
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| 11:41.47 | Kifah | enyc what if they do not exist ;) i need to make them? |
| 11:41.49 | enyc | Kifah: else will extract with the uid/gid number that was used on archiving system |
| 11:41.54 | enyc | Kifah: yes, you do |
| 11:42.20 | xushi | I need to install a minimal debian (4.0r1) on vmware 6, however when i click on New Virtual Machine, under teh Guest OS, it doesn't have debian on the list. Which should i choose? Other Linux ? |
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| 11:42.47 | enyc | xushi: toher linux... or select ubuntu should work |
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| 11:43.44 | xushi | thanks |
| 11:44.03 | Kifah | thanks enyc |
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| 11:47.04 | xand | if I want to compile something obtained using "apt-get source package", is the debian/rules file automatically used or what? |
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| 11:47.37 | lol | que pasa aqui |
| 11:47.45 | LasT_SuRvivoR | hi , what is the "service kdebase start" equavalence in debian ? |
| 11:47.45 | xand | !es |
| 11:47.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:47.56 | xand | LasT_SuRvivoR: /etc/init.d/blah start |
| 11:48.13 | LasT_SuRvivoR | xand Gracias |
| 11:48.14 | wols_ | xand: dpkg-buildpackage in the directory apt-gte unpacked for you |
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| 11:48.54 | xand | wols_: there is no such file |
| 11:49.00 | LasT_SuRvivoR | i installed 180mb debian , i typed "ifconfig eth0 up" "ifconfig eth1 up" , it says "100mbs duplex link is up" |
| 11:49.00 | lol | joder |
| 11:49.15 | xand | lol: english please. |
| 11:49.25 | LasT_SuRvivoR | but i am still not connected to internet , do i need to enter my username/pass for connection or , it is embedded on my ethernet modem? |
| 11:49.33 | xand | !interfaces |
| 11:49.33 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 11:49.36 | xand | LasT_SuRvivoR: see above |
| 11:49.49 | LasT_SuRvivoR | ok thanks |
| 11:51.37 | xand | wols_: I did apt-get source screen, there's nothing with dpkg in the name in the directory it created |
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| 11:52.51 | wols_ | xand: of course not, but there is a directory starting with "screen" there |
| 11:53.00 | xand | yes |
| 11:53.00 | wols_ | go in there and run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 11:53.05 | xand | oh right :) |
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| 11:55.44 | andriijas | how do i setup a ramdisk of 64 megabytes which could be mounted on the filesystem? |
| 11:56.21 | jetscreamer | !ramdisk |
| 11:56.21 | dpkg | hmm... ramdisk is a method of using a portion of your ram as if it were another hard drive partition. See http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Ramdisk/ramdisk.html |
| 11:56.40 | jetscreamer | you might look at tmpfs though |
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| 11:56.48 | jetscreamer | !tmpfs |
| 11:56.48 | dpkg | cd /usr/src/linux/Documentation; grep -r tmpfs *, or under Sid at least tmpfs is automatically mounted at boot time by /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs (no need to add it to fstab). you can change the default size of it by editing /etc/default/tmpfs. For performance reasons you can also mount temporary filesystems there such as /tmp with a line like "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0" in fstab |
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| 11:57.05 | awesomess3 | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ amazing! |
| 11:57.21 | jetscreamer | yes it's my preferred installer when i can |
| 11:57.40 | jetscreamer | latest updates, no burning |
| 11:58.26 | awesomess3 | But I don't understand...what happens to the Windows XP files? do they get wiped out? So one would probably need to backup all of the important files? |
| 11:58.30 | andriijas | jetscreamer: so tmpfs is just a new way of making ramdisks? |
| 11:58.41 | jetscreamer | only if you tell it to delete windows, in the installer |
| 11:58.52 | jetscreamer | otherwise it will just install somewhere |
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| 11:59.09 | jetscreamer | andriijas: i 'think' so.. |
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| 11:59.38 | jetscreamer | s/somewhere/where\ you\ tell\ it\ to/ |
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| 12:04.52 | jetscreamer | the installer will resize the ntfs partition, iirc.. but i shy away from resizing. best to have a diff hd or free space for another partition, imo. |
| 12:05.08 | awesomess3 | jetscreamer: but what if Windows NTFS/FAT32 filesystem has already filled the hard disk? aahhh..ok |
| 12:05.41 | jetscreamer | i had a bad experience once (a year or more ago) resizing.. so i haven't tried it again |
| 12:06.10 | jetscreamer | and never tried what is in the installer |
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| 12:06.27 | jetscreamer | the resizing tool |
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| 12:06.53 | awesomess3 | yeah resizing sounds dangerous |
| 12:07.01 | wfq | Hi guys |
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| 12:07.32 | adappc | hi all |
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| 12:07.58 | jetscreamer | well i 'think' it's improved now... but i can't swear. |
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| 12:08.20 | adappc | is it possible to add a magic repository into apt sources.list to have enlightenment e17? (powerpc) |
| 12:08.33 | jetscreamer | !e17 |
| 12:08.33 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 12:08.49 | wfq | I compiled the kernel my network card's driver and loaded. I have checked this is up by using lsmod but I am still getting the typical error: etho: no such device |
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| 12:09.02 | jetscreamer | i think i saw something about somesuch, adappc but i'm not sure |
| 12:09.09 | wfq | eth1 is matched my gigabit ethernet |
| 12:09.26 | wfq | the firmware is also up |
| 12:09.34 | adappc | !DR17 |
| 12:09.35 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 12:09.44 | jetscreamer | http://www.enlightenment.org/ ? |
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| 12:10.35 | wfq | here they are: iwl4965 181892 0 firmware_class 9728 1 iwl49 |
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| 12:12.04 | jetscreamer | etho i can understand why it doesn't work... |
| 12:12.17 | jetscreamer | "p |
| 12:12.20 | jetscreamer | : |
| 12:12.36 | wfq | i have got ntel Wireless WiFi Link 4965 |
| 12:12.43 | adappc | jetscreamer: found it thanks... |
| 12:12.58 | wfq | jetscreamer, it has been a spelling error, I meant eth0 |
| 12:13.12 | jetscreamer | i knew that hence my attempt at a :p |
| 12:14.18 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
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| 12:14.35 | wfq | does anyone compiled this wireless network card succcessfully_ |
| 12:14.36 | wfq | ? |
| 12:14.48 | HardDisk_WP | i run a debian lenny system with Exim/Courier-IMAP mail system |
| 12:15.16 | HardDisk_WP | wfq, do you wanna run kernel module or the official Intel driver |
| 12:15.28 | HardDisk_WP | and at login always appears "you have mail" |
| 12:15.41 | jetscreamer | probably the system mail |
| 12:15.50 | HardDisk_WP | but if i want to read with mutt, "/var/mail/marco" doesnt exist it says |
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| 12:16.12 | HardDisk_WP | how do I remove this message and reconfigure Mutt to my IMAP Maildir? |
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| 12:17.22 | bolly | how can i get my back button working on my mouse |
| 12:18.04 | jetscreamer | try the explorer protocol bolly |
| 12:18.08 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 12:18.17 | bolly | explorer? |
| 12:18.36 | jetscreamer | one sec |
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| 12:18.37 | solemnwarning | If syslog-ng looses a TCP connection will it queue messages to be sent until it can re-establish the connection? |
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| 12:18.45 | wfq | HardDisk_WP, I downloaded this driver from http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=mac80211 and compiled into my kernel 2.6.22 |
| 12:19.00 | HardDisk_WP | ok then no idea |
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| 12:19.09 | HardDisk_WP | if my notebook arrives i will have same problem then |
| 12:19.16 | HardDisk_WP | maybe in a week i find a answer |
| 12:19.17 | groton | hello, anyone could suggest me a good movie video recorder to record my desktop actions? |
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| 12:20.01 | roxy_ | without comparing to proprietory system, and apart from training and support cost, where can the cost of an open source software come from ? |
| 12:20.12 | jetscreamer | bolly: ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/mouse.html |
| 12:20.18 | jetscreamer | for use in drxx |
| 12:20.20 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 12:20.21 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 12:20.50 | bolly | oh okies |
| 12:21.09 | dalias | roxy_, well this is not fair because you _cannot_ get this with a proprietary system, but one possible cost is hiring someone to customize it or add new features you need |
| 12:21.26 | bolly | hmm |
| 12:21.28 | bolly | i'm on that already |
| 12:22.00 | dalias | so it's actually a benefit but you have to pay someone (or do it yourself) if you want to use that extre freedom |
| 12:22.20 | roxy_ | dalias: "without comparing to proprietory system" |
| 12:22.33 | dalias | :) |
| 12:22.48 | dalias | "well this is not fair" :) |
| 12:22.57 | roxy_ | dalias: I am just trying to estimate the cost of the software, not comparing to know what is the best. |
| 12:23.24 | dalias | ok |
| 12:23.31 | dalias | well how about obtaining it? |
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| 12:23.50 | dalias | a few dollars for cds, or setting up a system for network download and install from trusted sources |
| 12:24.35 | dalias | so, administrative cost i suppose you'd call it |
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| 12:25.06 | roxy_ | dalias: obtaining is mainly free. What about staff ? Does a linux admin is the same price than a windows admin ? |
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| 12:25.58 | dalias | you said not comparing! |
| 12:25.59 | dalias | haha |
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| 12:26.31 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 12:26.41 | dalias | my answer is that a _competent_ admin for either is very rare and you'll probably have to pay about the same to find a competent one |
| 12:27.11 | dalias | but there are tons more incompetent windows admins around than incompetent linux admins (tho the latter do exist too) due to high demand and bullshit certs |
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| 12:28.05 | dalias | and if you want an incompetent admin you'll pay a lot less for a windows one |
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| 12:28.34 | bolly | it's cheap to train an incompetent windows admin |
| 12:28.53 | dalias | only if you already have a competent one on staff.. and even then often not possible |
| 12:29.02 | dalias | most incompetent admins think they are competent |
| 12:29.06 | dalias | and ignore training |
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| 12:29.17 | bolly | na just send them on a course |
| 12:29.20 | dalias | lmao |
| 12:29.51 | dalias | i take it you've never been in a place with incompetent windows admins? :P |
| 12:29.52 | roxy_ | so the main cost is training and maintenance. |
| 12:29.58 | jetscreamer | pick the guy who knows when to call in help |
| 12:29.58 | bolly | sure have |
| 12:30.06 | d00dMan | any suggestions as to why one would keep getting a changing MAC on reboots? |
| 12:30.11 | bolly | everywhere i've worked has had one |
| 12:30.18 | dalias | :) |
| 12:31.11 | wfq | anyone installed iwl4945 network driver? |
| 12:31.17 | bolly | it's why we have proceedures |
| 12:31.23 | bolly | go go robots |
| 12:31.43 | bolly | takes all the fun away imo |
| 12:31.45 | jetscreamer | !britsmite bolly |
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| 12:32.04 | shamrock | I have just reinstalled i386 debiab lenny. I can run picasa. Unlike the amd64 kernel, I can now see the opening "blog this" pahe, but I can not type anything into the "log into google" dialogs - any suggestions? |
| 12:32.12 | bolly | :< |
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| 12:32.33 | jetscreamer | your tea&crumpets are next! |
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| 12:32.38 | bolly | noooooooo |
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| 12:33.12 | roxy_ | shamrock: can you watch RWC on your computer ? |
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| 12:33.43 | adappc | ...X11 isn't a dependency of wmaker ??? it looks that i've installed wmaker but without Xstuff... |
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| 12:34.26 | bolly | jetscreamer: still no luck with the back button |
| 12:34.35 | bolly | jetscreamer: my scroll wheel is lovely though |
| 12:35.18 | jetscreamer | did you look at this page? ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/mouse7.html |
| 12:35.28 | shamrock | roxy_: sorry? |
| 12:35.34 | gonzaloaf | how , do you know a tool to join an AVI video with subtitles? |
| 12:36.17 | jetscreamer | For the MS IntelliMouse Explorer which as a wheel and 5 buttons.. |
| 12:36.18 | roxy_ | shamrock: with such a name, I was hoping you know if it is possible to watch http://www.rugbyworldcupvideo.com/offers.aspx?refcd=sporover_txtadv5_rwc_90507 |
| 12:36.36 | shamrock | aha. No sorry. I go to my local pub and watch it on Setanta :) |
| 12:36.48 | jetscreamer | avidemux is easy to use, gonzaloaf |
| 12:36.50 | bolly | sure did |
| 12:37.01 | jetscreamer | beyond me then bolly |
| 12:37.03 | bolly | i have a logitech mx510 though |
| 12:37.04 | gonzaloaf | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 12:37.08 | jetscreamer | oh |
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| 12:37.26 | gonzaloaf | jetscreamer, is in the debian repos? |
| 12:37.43 | jetscreamer | there might be a #logitech but i doubt it.. maybe #xorg |
| 12:37.55 | jetscreamer | gonzaloaf: on marillat's debian-multimedia |
| 12:38.00 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 12:38.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 12:38.21 | bolly | okies |
| 12:38.25 | bolly | i will go ask |
| 12:38.39 | jetscreamer | there are other tool in sources, gonzaloaf , but avidemux is like one of the easiest i've seen to get up& running and doing |
| 12:38.57 | dalias | adappc, there's no reason you need a _local_ X server to use wmaker |
| 12:39.06 | jetscreamer | i've even heard you can just cat 2 avi's together |
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| 12:39.20 | dalias | adappc, you might very well be installing a multiuser system with only remote displays |
| 12:39.42 | jetscreamer | !logitech |
| 12:39.43 | dpkg | from memory, logitech is a company that makes hardware. They make good usb mice. |
| 12:39.49 | jetscreamer | !razor |
| 12:39.53 | jetscreamer | oh well |
| 12:39.56 | adappc | dalias: ....heyhey...that's true.... |
| 12:40.04 | d00dMan | isnt the MAC address a unique number for the network card? I thought it was hardcoded into the NIC. not sure what would cause it to keep changing? |
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| 12:40.26 | adappc | dalias: so, so simplest/shortest way to install an x server is apt-get install xorg ? |
| 12:40.35 | roxy_ | d00dMan: it is hardcoded but you can change it. |
| 12:40.41 | dalias | adappc, i think so, yes |
| 12:40.46 | adappc | dalias: tx |
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| 12:40.59 | jetscreamer | some nics have multiple macs available |
| 12:41.30 | jetscreamer | nicmacs |
| 12:41.43 | d00dMan | i suspect this wireless keyboard might be causing problems. any reason keyboard conflicts might cause the mac to keep changing on reboot? |
| 12:41.56 | jetscreamer | way beyond me |
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| 12:42.17 | jetscreamer | see if it does it with a wired kb? |
| 12:42.22 | bolly | brb going to try my mouse |
| 12:42.43 | shamrock | can anyone tell me under which gnome menu wordpress icon should be installed? |
| 12:42.59 | d00dMan | jetscreamer: i think that is what i may have to do next. i also have a supported sound chip, that is not recognized or has alsa modules installed :/ |
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| 12:43.45 | dalias | d00dman, keyboard should have nothing to do with mac |
| 12:44.06 | jetscreamer | it could be that it is loading an oss module instead of the alsa module, d00dMan ... lsmod|grep snd is your friend |
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| 12:44.37 | d00dMan | jetscreamer: that command returns nothing :O |
| 12:44.50 | jetscreamer | shamrock: maybe try update-menus in an xterm |
| 12:44.59 | jetscreamer | d00dMan: alsa modules start with snd_ |
| 12:45.12 | jetscreamer | or was it snd- |
| 12:45.14 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 12:45.22 | jetscreamer | d00dMan: make that grep -i |
| 12:45.27 | jetscreamer | snd |
| 12:45.40 | Fony_Vaio | anyone here just upgraded mdadm in sid? My boot/root fs' are md0/md1 and neither are being brought up on reboot. All I'm seeing is a segfault in mdadm and then the kernel waiting for the root fs. Any ideas? |
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| 12:46.58 | d00dMan | jetscream: nada, zip, zilch. i'm fairly certain i dont have any sound modules installed. alsaconf doesnt unload any. :-/ |
| 12:47.20 | jetscreamer | usually i'd say 'use UUID in fstab and menu.lst' Fony_Vaio but i know nothing about raid |
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| 12:48.18 | jetscreamer | d00dMan: so now lsmod and look for the oss sound modules being loaded |
| 12:48.35 | Fony_Vaio | jetscreamer, it doesn't appear to be a problem with it finding the fs. ie. It knows where to look. The problem is that the actual raid array (md) is not being brought up by mdadm (probably due to the segfault?) |
| 12:48.36 | jetscreamer | (if the are being loaded, rather) |
| 12:49.09 | jetscreamer | did i mention that i'm ab-so-lute-ly clueless about raid/mdadm? |
| 12:49.15 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 12:49.17 | d00dMan | jetscreamer: doesnt appear to be there either. |
| 12:49.20 | Fony_Vaio | I've just completed a full pass of memtest86+ so the ram looks ok... |
| 12:49.43 | Fony_Vaio | must be a bug or something in the new version of mdadm just installed |
| 12:49.57 | jetscreamer | d00dMan: apt-get install modconf and look around in the audio/sound section, or whatever(it's messy) and load the correct ones |
| 12:50.09 | d00dMan | thanks! |
| 12:50.17 | jetscreamer | d00dMan: but |
| 12:50.43 | xushi | I can't seem to find apache in apt-cache after updating apt-get |
| 12:50.43 | jetscreamer | it theoretically should already autoload the correct modules .. |
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| 12:50.53 | jetscreamer | apache2? |
| 12:50.56 | xushi | apache1 |
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| 12:51.17 | peterrus | can anyone tell me how to install the nvidia drivers on debian lenny? |
| 12:51.26 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search apache doesn't work? |
| 12:51.42 | xushi | jetscreamer: it finds many libapache modules, and php, but not apache itself |
| 12:51.54 | jetscreamer | upgrade from .20 or .21 kernel to .22 for one, peterrus |
| 12:52.11 | peterrus | okay |
| 12:52.14 | jetscreamer | or downgrade, or recompile .21 w/o the paravirt options |
| 12:52.14 | gonzaloaf | is it possible to convert wma files to mp3? |
| 12:52.18 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 12:52.31 | d00dMan | peterrus: www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/152/212/ |
| 12:52.36 | peterrus | jetscreamer, does this involve manual compilation? |
| 12:52.55 | jetscreamer | the recompile one does |
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| 12:53.20 | jetscreamer | !nvidia |
| 12:53.21 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 12:53.56 | jetscreamer | a stock .20 or .21 kernel doesn't work with nvidia. |
| 12:54.01 | xushi | also, saying apt-get install apache says the package is not available |
| 12:54.07 | jetscreamer | unless they fixed it |
| 12:54.10 | peterrus | d00dMan, that tutorial does not apply to debian lenny |
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| 12:55.16 | peterrus | jetscreamer, that is kinda worthless, in my opinion debian unstable works even better than debian testing, no? |
| 12:55.23 | peterrus | because that one does have all the newest fixes |
| 12:56.16 | peterrus | I think i will start using unstable then |
| 12:56.26 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 12:56.28 | jetscreamer | no |
| 12:56.32 | peterrus | why not |
| 12:56.33 | jetscreamer | that's not how it works |
| 12:56.43 | peterrus | unstable currently always has working nvidia drivers |
| 12:56.45 | jetscreamer | sid is the rough stuff, lenny is a more refined sid |
| 12:56.46 | peterrus | so does stable |
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| 12:56.51 | nico__ | hi |
| 12:56.52 | jetscreamer | just install .22 |
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| 12:57.05 | jetscreamer | no biggie, and no need to go sid.. but you can |
| 12:57.17 | FordCortina | i've got annoying escape sequences in my man pages. anybody know how to fix that. my man viewer seems to be less |
| 12:57.17 | jetscreamer | just remember it breaks more often |
| 12:57.20 | FordCortina | ? |
| 12:57.24 | peterrus | jetscreamer, yes but then I have to recompile the kernel, then make a debian package of it, and when there is a update i have to remove it al |
| 12:57.25 | jetscreamer | mostly during upgrades |
| 12:57.27 | jetscreamer | no |
| 12:57.35 | jetscreamer | just install the kernel |
| 12:57.39 | peterrus | how? |
| 12:57.44 | peterrus | is it in the repo? |
| 12:58.03 | xushi | can anyone please advise me to what my mistake is? I cannot find apache =/ |
| 12:58.13 | xushi | i commented out the cdrom in sources.list, and ran an update |
| 12:58.13 | peterrus | why not? |
| 12:58.20 | jetscreamer | you can backport it, but just d/l it from pdo and dpkg -i it.. you'll need the linux-headers and the linux-kbuild also |
| 12:58.27 | peterrus | do you have the right repo's? xushi |
| 12:58.36 | peterrus | okay |
| 12:58.37 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 12:58.38 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat> |
| 12:58.42 | peterrus | thanks, that makes it quite clear |
| 12:58.44 | xushi | peterrus: not sure. This is a fresh install from the minimal cd |
| 12:58.46 | jetscreamer | !simple sid backport |
| 12:58.46 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 12:58.48 | jetscreamer | that one |
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| 12:58.58 | ben_h | hi folks |
| 12:59.14 | ben_h | i just upgraded postgres from 8.1 to 8.2 and unless I'm mistaken it's trashed my databases. is this expected? |
| 12:59.15 | jetscreamer | apache1 seems to not be in sid.. not sure about testing |
| 12:59.36 | xushi | what about apache2? I should at least be able to see that |
| 13:00.03 | jetscreamer | did you add a source or already have another when you commented out the cd one? |
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| 13:00.31 | xushi | i can't find mysql either.. something is definately wrong. Let me check my source list again |
| 13:00.41 | jetscreamer | paste your sources.list |
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| 13:00.43 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 13:00.43 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 13:00.51 | DawnLight | wow... tetex-doc is 44.8MB. is there a bigger one? |
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| 13:01.04 | xushi | I have `deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib` |
| 13:01.22 | jetscreamer | tetex is large |
| 13:01.22 | jetscreamer | you need another |
| 13:01.24 | xushi | jetscreamer: not even paste 1 liners? :) |
| 13:01.32 | jetscreamer | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/ etch main contrib |
| 13:01.35 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 13:01.53 | jetscreamer | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib |
| 13:02.06 | jetscreamer | the second one is correct |
| 13:02.33 | nico__ | i just plugged my mp3 player to the USB port and, while it's been found and mounted ("mount" says so, and the drive icon appeared on the desktop with an "unmount" item in its contextual menu), Nautilus seems to be unaware it is mounted (though i can access it via the "Places" tab, but the drive icon in Nautilus' "Computer" location has a "Mount" item in its context. menu and says "unable to mount" if I doubleclick it... any idea why? |
| 13:02.33 | xushi | without the trailing slash after debian ? |
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| 13:03.04 | jetscreamer | with or w/o seems to work... there used to be a thing about that, but now it seems to be either |
| 13:04.11 | dutchfish | hi, i get alot of audio output is starving (41667), playing silence with vlc playing see: http://paste.debian.net/38432 how can i solve it? |
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| 13:05.03 | bloodandsoil | Why do I need to make sure I am up-to-date in Etch before upgrading to Lenny? |
| 13:05.14 | jetscreamer | because we said so |
| 13:05.23 | jetscreamer | s/we/they/ |
| 13:05.53 | jetscreamer | i don't know, i try not to install stable |
| 13:06.11 | jetscreamer | just dd the hd and start from there |
| 13:06.20 | bloodandsoil | I was advised to upgrade to Testing instead of installing Testing. |
| 13:07.05 | jetscreamer | i have no idea why. i didn't have much luck using the stable installer to install testing, but i never use the stable installer either |
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| 13:08.03 | bloodandsoil | jetscreamer: How is it possible to use the stable installer to install testing? Is that a joke? |
| 13:08.12 | jetscreamer | no |
| 13:08.31 | jetscreamer | you just run it in expert and change the sources |
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| 13:08.43 | sussudio | hm seems like it was yesterday. a lot. |
| 13:08.48 | jetscreamer | but that doesn't work with the netinst just the businesscard, iirc |
| 13:09.06 | d00dMan | any ideas why "lspci" will list the sound chip, but ls mod has no sound modules installed from installation? |
| 13:09.09 | ilyak_ | á ËÁË ÐÏÐÒÏÓÉÔØ apt-get ÎÅ ÐÙÔÁÔØÓÑ ÒÅÓÏÌ×ÉÔØ × ipv6? |
| 13:09.15 | jetscreamer | you can install any flavor easily with the goodbye-windows.com |
| 13:09.17 | ilyak_ | orry |
| 13:09.25 | ilyak_ | How do I ask apt-get not to resolve ipv6? |
| 13:09.27 | sussudio | %confuse ilyak_ |
| 13:09.33 | jetscreamer | it wasn't autodetected... try update-pciids |
| 13:09.34 | bloodandsoil | So do I need to "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" in Etch before I change my sources to Lenny? |
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| 13:09.42 | ilyak_ | I mean, it tries to fetch packages from ipv6 ftp's |
| 13:09.50 | ilyak_ | and fails, surely |
| 13:09.52 | sussudio | hm. |
| 13:09.53 | jetscreamer | bloodandsoil: i'm not sure. i personally wouldn't, but that's me. |
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| 13:10.16 | sussudio | %test |
| 13:10.16 | badgers | Test Failed. |
| 13:10.21 | sussudio | stupid mysql |
| 13:10.23 | bloodandsoil | jetscreamer: Then you would do what? Just immediately switch sources to Lenny and upgrade? |
| 13:10.42 | jetscreamer | that is what i would do, yes. but that's just me. |
| 13:11.07 | war | Really annoying problem-- using KDE (Debian/Lenny)- beeps are not working (echo -e '\a') - it works when I logout of KDE but not when I am logged into KDE, some KDE setting is monopolizing/taking over the speaker, does anyone know what is doing it? |
| 13:11.21 | bloodandsoil | <wols_> bloodandsoil: you do it to make sure you are up-to-date in etch |
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| 13:11.23 | dutchfish | hi, i get alot of audio output is starving (41667), playing silence with vlc playing see: http://paste.debian.net/38432 how can i solve it? |
| 13:11.39 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 13:11.47 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 13:12.02 | jetscreamer | bloodandsoil: wols usually knows more than me. |
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| 13:13.13 | jetscreamer | dutchfish: got w32codecs ? |
| 13:13.21 | jetscreamer | or whatever codec it wants? |
| 13:13.27 | jetscreamer | i'm guessing here. |
| 13:13.30 | dutchfish | jetscreamer, how can i check? |
| 13:13.52 | jetscreamer | apt-get install w32codecs got debian-multimedia? |
| 13:13.56 | jetscreamer | !w32codecs |
| 13:13.56 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 13:14.04 | war | anyone have pc speaker issues with KDE? |
| 13:14.23 | dalias | not just non-free, it's a warez package |
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| 13:14.31 | dalias | it's also probably not useful |
| 13:14.31 | jetscreamer | you would probably know since you would have had to do stuff to get it installed |
| 13:14.33 | dutchfish | jetscreamer, no not installed |
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| 13:14.49 | dutchfish | jetscreamer, it run perfectly for over 1 year until now |
| 13:14.55 | dalias | unless you know a specific reason you need the w32codecs pack, pretend it doesn't exist and you'll probably never miss it |
| 13:15.13 | YouBucky | Hey Guys, I've got a RAID5 array from an old box inmy new box and the device shows as /dev/md0. How do I remove the array so I can format the disks and recreate my own array? |
| 13:15.15 | jetscreamer | dutchfish: do other files work? |
| 13:15.20 | jetscreamer | or is this all files |
| 13:15.27 | war | YouBucky: zero superblock |
| 13:15.38 | dutchfish | jetscreamer, if i play with other players alsa doesnt choke up |
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| 13:15.52 | sussudio | Dave2: go away |
| 13:15.55 | jetscreamer | so it's a vlc thing |
| 13:15.59 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 13:16.04 | YouBucky | war: thanks, execute "zero /md0" ? |
| 13:16.25 | jetscreamer | dd if=dev/zero of= something |
| 13:16.26 | YouBucky | * /dev/md0 |
| 13:16.42 | jetscreamer | add to taste |
| 13:16.43 | bloodandsoil | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
| 13:16.46 | bloodandsoil | >:) |
| 13:16.53 | war | no |
| 13:16.54 | war | man mdadm |
| 13:16.54 | sussudio | Dave2: why are you msging me? |
| 13:16.56 | war | there is an option |
| 13:17.19 | dalias | dutchfish, the problem is something else. ac3 audio definitely does not need w32 crap to play |
| 13:17.32 | dutchfish | jetscreamer, it looks like when i play out of large iso the problem is there, from avi's no problem, i first suspected hard disk so i testrun form a nfs share, same problem |
| 13:17.39 | YouBucky | War: will do, cheers |
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| 13:17.58 | dutchfish | dalias, i totally agree |
| 13:18.21 | xushi | how can i tell my new linux machine to register with a windows local DNS server? |
| 13:18.23 | jetscreamer | vlc is my next to last choice for video playback... totem is my last |
| 13:18.44 | dutchfish | jetscreamer, yes but totem cannot play directly from an ISO |
| 13:18.54 | jetscreamer | nono... my last |
| 13:18.57 | bloodandsoil | what is wrong with totem |
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| 13:19.05 | valdyn | xushi: you're confused, there's no way to register with DNS servers |
| 13:19.08 | jetscreamer | it sucks? or did. |
| 13:19.14 | valdyn | xushi: maybe you mean domain controller |
| 13:19.18 | jetscreamer | valdyn: he means that rddns or whatever |
| 13:19.27 | jetscreamer | dynamic dns |
| 13:19.32 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 13:19.41 | bloodandsoil | seems okay in gnome 2.20 |
| 13:19.43 | jetscreamer | it updates the ip of the box |
| 13:19.46 | dutchfish | it looks like the pipe brakes up i saw that message a few times before |
| 13:19.48 | xushi | domain controller, no (that's another topic). I'm trying to make my linux machine visible via the DNS name or it's host name to other windows machine |
| 13:19.58 | jetscreamer | the host name hides |
| 13:20.17 | jetscreamer | there is an option, and somebody just said it like 2 days ago to show the hostname but i don't remember it |
| 13:20.28 | xushi | for example, the new debian machine is called dsrv.xushi.local, but when i try to ping from another windows machine (anothermachine.xushi.local), it can't see it |
| 13:21.09 | dutchfish | dalias, could you look into : http://paste.debian.net/38432 for me please and give your opinion? |
| 13:21.21 | valdyn | xushi: netbios did that, i dont know what rddns is |
| 13:21.25 | xushi | was i referring to rddns ? |
| 13:21.27 | jetscreamer | ddns |
| 13:21.34 | jetscreamer | not r |
| 13:21.59 | jetscreamer | but the hidden hostname is something else |
| 13:22.02 | valdyn | is that a samba thing? |
| 13:22.10 | dutchfish | dalias, i suspect indeed vlc or a lib used by vlc |
| 13:22.13 | jetscreamer | dynamic dns ... an ms thing, afaik |
| 13:22.23 | jetscreamer | but it might not be 'just' an ms thing |
| 13:22.31 | bloodandsoil | that's probably a WINS thing |
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| 13:22.34 | xushi | hmm, i'll check apt as soona s it finishes updating |
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| 13:23.00 | jetscreamer | !ddns |
| 13:23.09 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 13:23.10 | dalias | dutchfish, i looked but didn't find a reason among all the spam |
| 13:23.17 | valdyn | xushi: ddns3-client is a package |
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| 13:23.49 | jetscreamer | but that is for when your ip changes and you want to update it in the dns server |
| 13:23.54 | xushi | thanks valdyn. I'm installing it now |
| 13:23.57 | dutchfish | dalias, i gone check the lib that responsable for mounting the iso in the background |
| 13:24.05 | valdyn | xushi: i dont know if that is what windows uses |
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| 13:24.19 | adappc | what's the tools to config xorg ? |
| 13:24.25 | valdyn | xushi: ddns seems to be more a description of what something does, not a specific protocol |
| 13:24.28 | jetscreamer | the hostname not showing up is somehting else |
| 13:24.34 | xushi | hang on, it's asking me for my ddns site account. Am i supposed to register with a website or something ? |
| 13:24.41 | dutchfish | adappc, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:24.43 | jetscreamer | !tell adappc -about drxx |
| 13:24.48 | valdyn | xushi: yea, probably |
| 13:24.53 | valdyn | xushi: wrong track maybe |
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| 13:25.04 | jetscreamer | that's probably like dyndns |
| 13:25.07 | xushi | hmm, yea.. This is a local dns server with local machines in a local network |
| 13:25.43 | jetscreamer | i turned logging on again, but a little late to help |
| 13:25.51 | adappc | dutchfish: thanks |
| 13:26.00 | valdyn | xushi: there's alot of ways this is done, i dont yet know what windows does |
| 13:26.02 | bloodandsoil | What's wrong with my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/38433 |
| 13:26.17 | YouBucky | war: By zero over the superblock will that remove the /dev/md0 device? |
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| 13:27.01 | jetscreamer | looks good to me bloodandsoil .. maybe it's the .kr. try a different country? |
| 13:27.02 | YouBucky | war: By zero over the superblock will that remove the /dev/md0 device? |
| 13:27.16 | war | YouBucky: on each disk |
| 13:27.18 | bloodandsoil | jetscreamer: the security lines aren't working |
| 13:27.20 | war | YouBucky: yep |
| 13:27.32 | Lunar_Lamp | I'm trying to install php5-mysqli - but when I do an "aptitude show" it just says "not a real package". How do I install it? |
| 13:27.59 | d00dMan | looks like for nVidia MCP61 chip, have to have kernel 2.6.17+ . If i do a netinstall, does it install the inital system with the latest kernel? |
| 13:28.01 | jetscreamer | bloodandsoil: try changing testing to lenny, in the security lines. it has been like that before. ( i thought it got fixed) |
| 13:28.06 | YouBucky | war: thanks, ill of a little more reading, I'm new to Linux RAID |
| 13:28.18 | YouBucky | well to mdadm anyway |
| 13:28.24 | valdyn | xushi: maybe ask in a windows channel what exactly windows expects to update the dns entry |
| 13:28.34 | xushi | thanks |
| 13:28.40 | war | YouBucky: i have 0.5 gigabyte/sec raid5 |
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| 13:28.42 | bloodandsoil | W: Couldn't stat source package list |
| 13:28.44 | war | YouBucky: raid5 |
| 13:28.47 | war | YouBucky: sw,xfs |
| 13:28.52 | war | YouBucky: i love mdadm ;) |
| 13:29.03 | hark | Lunar_Lamp: it's php5-mysql |
| 13:29.17 | valdyn | xushi: there's many custom ways by each service like dyndns.org and also the secure protocol used by bind9 that ships its own update client |
| 13:29.19 | jetscreamer | xushi: what you want is the command to use to register the hostname... and it's about this '..........................................' long... |
| 13:29.30 | Lunar_Lamp | hark: does that include mysqli then? |
| 13:29.35 | jetscreamer | 2 swithces.... |
| 13:29.36 | xushi | hehe |
| 13:29.43 | YouBucky | war: Nice, I bought a Thecus N5200. Just managed to install Debian on it today so its time to kill and rebuild the array |
| 13:29.45 | valdyn | xushi: goes windows does its own custom thing as usual |
| 13:29.46 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 13:30.00 | war | YouBucky: ah |
| 13:30.10 | jetscreamer | it's debian is not sending the hostname to the dns server |
| 13:30.17 | jetscreamer | or dhcp or whatever |
| 13:30.19 | hark | Lunar_Lamp: yes |
| 13:30.19 | xushi | yea but what can i do.. it's the company's dns server |
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| 13:30.28 | eallik | I need to install a package (ruby-yarv) from experimental... do I have to add a new line to sources.list for that? |
| 13:30.30 | jetscreamer | it's not the dns server it's the debian box |
| 13:30.34 | jetscreamer | it's a feature |
| 13:30.48 | hark | Lunar_Lamp: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:30.48 | YouBucky | war: yeah, the Thecus factory distro kept on hanging etc so, I'm excited. its almost minight here and I want to kick off the rebuild before bed! |
| 13:30.53 | valdyn | xushi: or maybe its done via dhcp.. that works too |
| 13:31.10 | war | YouBucky: how many drives in it 4,5? |
| 13:31.12 | Lunar_Lamp | hark: php5-mysql also shows as "not a real package" though. |
| 13:31.20 | YouBucky | war:5 X 500GB |
| 13:31.27 | war | gotcha |
| 13:31.32 | xushi | it should be done via dhcp.. that's the confusing thing |
| 13:31.35 | xushi | but it isn't |
| 13:32.02 | valdyn | xushi: how do you know? did you set up dhclient to request a name? |
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| 13:32.43 | xushi | valdyn: no :) but i'm willing to try now that i know.. hehe |
| 13:32.55 | hark | Lunar_Lamp: what do you mean by "not a real package" ? |
| 13:33.08 | gonzaloaf | hi. azureus tells me that it cannot update the swt java llibrary, how can I do it ? |
| 13:33.10 | valdyn | send host-name "andare.fugue.com"; |
| 13:33.17 | jetscreamer | do it manually.... |
| 13:33.31 | valdyn | gonzaloaf: are you using the azureus debian package? |
| 13:33.34 | Lunar_Lamp | hark: "aptitude show php-mysql" says: "State: not a real package" |
| 13:33.39 | jetscreamer | gonzaloaf: you probably want to install a local copy of the latest azureus |
| 13:33.59 | xushi | valdyn: excellent! though this looks to me like a host+domain name, not just a hostname |
| 13:34.00 | jetscreamer | probably a metapackage |
| 13:34.11 | jetscreamer | -_- |
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| 13:34.24 | valdyn | gonzaloaf: you can either use the debian package, and not use those updates or install a local azureus at ~/ and use it |
| 13:34.37 | YouBucky | war: if there is a /dev/md0 device listed does that mean mdadm will recognise it, I have no idea what the previous distro used to manage the array. Whatever is was was very limited and clicnky |
| 13:34.40 | gonzaloaf | valdyn, yes |
| 13:34.42 | YouBucky | *clunky |
| 13:35.09 | hark | Lunar_Lamp: and that's with php5-mysql ? (not php-mysql) |
| 13:35.28 | valdyn | but the enlightened will just not use azureus but rtorrent |
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| 13:35.46 | gonzaloaf | valdyn, do I have to remove the debian pkg before? |
| 13:35.47 | Lunar_Lamp | hark - yes |
| 13:35.53 | valdyn | gonzaloaf: no |
| 13:36.10 | gonzaloaf | valdyn, really? |
| 13:36.11 | adappc | do you know a "graphical" way to configure xorg ? |
| 13:36.22 | valdyn | gonzaloaf: just mind that you will start the local copy with /path/to/azureus, not just 'azureus' or from the menu |
| 13:36.27 | gonzaloaf | adappc, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 13:36.32 | war | YouBucky: hm |
| 13:36.32 | Lunar_Lamp | valdyn: indeed - rtorrent is a fantastic program! |
| 13:36.34 | war | YouBucky: after u clear it out |
| 13:36.38 | war | YouBucky: it should not come back |
| 13:36.57 | valdyn | heck even utorrent in wine is neater than azureus |
| 13:37.11 | gonzaloaf | Lunar_Lamp, is it lightweight? |
| 13:37.21 | Lunar_Lamp | gonzaloaf: very - it's a CLI program :-) |
| 13:37.43 | xushi | hmm, still not working.. I have it set to `send host-name "dsrv"; supersede domain-name "company.local";` |
| 13:37.50 | Lunar_Lamp | gonzaloaf: http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/05/02/howto-use-rtorrent-like-a-pro/ <== useful URL :-) |
| 13:38.53 | hark | Lunar_Lamp: can you pastebin apt-cache policy php5-mysql? |
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| 13:39.29 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 13:39.39 | YouBucky | war: execcuting "mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda" recieves "mdadm: Couldnt open /dev/sda for write - not zeroing" |
| 13:40.15 | war | YouBucky: then /dev/md0 is still active or you are not root |
| 13:40.26 | war | is /dev/md0 stil active? |
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| 13:40.38 | fas3r | if a windows machin connect on smb server (samba ) .. what the protocole in use ? smb or netbios ? |
| 13:41.12 | hark | Lunar_Lamp: apt-cache policy php5-mysql libc6 and apt-cache policy |
| 13:41.54 | valdyn | fas3r: smb/cifs over tcp/ip |
| 13:42.04 | war | YouBucky: is it active? |
| 13:42.11 | gonzaloaf | valdyn, how can I tell the system to load the local azureus intall instead the debian pkg? |
| 13:42.18 | valdyn | fas3r: netbios is something else as far as i know |
| 13:42.32 | YouBucky | war: just ran mdadm --query md0 and it tells me about the array so it looks like it |
| 13:42.39 | war | YouBucky: so stop it |
| 13:42.41 | Lunar_Lamp | hark http://pastebin.ca/720573 |
| 13:42.42 | valdyn | gonzaloaf: by running it /path/to/azureus |
| 13:42.42 | YouBucky | */dev/md0 |
| 13:42.43 | war | YouBucky: mdadm -S /dev/md0 |
| 13:42.45 | YouBucky | Will do |
| 13:42.59 | d00dMan | Does a netinstall put latest kernel on system for hardware discovery? |
| 13:43.12 | valdyn | d00dMan: no |
| 13:43.17 | fas3r | valdyn: if i want to bloc this with iptables just i bloc smb protocol ? |
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| 13:43.45 | gonzaloaf | valdyn, I mean when iceweasel download a .torrent file it calls azureus automatically, now I want it to call the new azureus |
| 13:43.45 | valdyn | fas3r: on the samba server? |
| 13:43.50 | d00dMan | eeek. then i think i know why my sound is not being discovered :( |
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| 13:44.02 | YouBucky | war: stopped /dev/md0 |
| 13:44.09 | fas3r | if you prefer on the gateway where samba is install |
| 13:44.21 | war | YouBucky: ok |
| 13:44.27 | war | YouBucky: now u can blow it away i think |
| 13:44.36 | war | (--zero) |
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| 13:44.45 | valdyn | fas3r: read 'netstat -plunt', checkout the lines with nmbd or smbd |
| 13:45.10 | fas3r | valdyn: ok thank i go to look |
| 13:45.18 | hark | Lunar_Lamp: you're running sarge; you'll need php4-mysql, unless you got php5 from someplace else |
| 13:45.21 | d00dMan | valdyn: then if I get a kernel that supports my nvidia chip, and reboot, should it then discover the hardware? |
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| 13:45.40 | YouBucky | war: "mdadm --zero-superblock" returns unrecognised md component device |
| 13:45.46 | valdyn | d00dMan: nvidia chip means what? |
| 13:45.47 | YouBucky | war: Im' readng the man page too |
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| 13:45.59 | LasT_SuRvivoR | Hello , i installed debiannetwork edition with its grub , but it seems boot.ini of windows xp is corrupted? |
| 13:46.03 | war | YouBucky: i'd be curious how fast of speeds u get on that |
| 13:46.03 | d00dMan | the nvidia MCP61? :/ |
| 13:46.07 | war | YouBucky: most people get < 5mb/s |
| 13:46.11 | valdyn | d00dMan: sound? |
| 13:46.28 | d00dMan | valdyn: yes |
| 13:46.30 | valdyn | d00dMan: what exactly is not found by the netinstall kernel? |
| 13:46.33 | YouBucky | I'll be happy to let you know |
| 13:46.42 | war | YouBucky: u can tell me the rbuild speed |
| 13:46.43 | valdyn | d00dMan: probably a newer kernel will fix that |
| 13:46.50 | war | YouBucky: mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda |
| 13:46.51 | war | YouBucky: mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda1 |
| 13:46.53 | war | YouBucky: try bot |
| 13:46.54 | war | YouBucky: try both |
| 13:47.08 | war | YouBucky: btw why do u want to blow it away anyway? |
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| 13:48.25 | YouBucky | war: the previous distro created /dev/sda{1,2} looks like one was some weird swap space. executing "mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda2" appeared to work. I'll do the remaining disks |
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| 13:49.11 | war | YouBucky: ok |
| 13:49.35 | YouBucky | The data's backed up and that 100mb of space doing nothing annoys me. May aswell do it right if I'm doing it |
| 13:49.54 | YouBucky | war: 100mb X 5 to be clear |
| 13:50.36 | YouBucky | war: md0 device still exists.... |
| 13:51.20 | YouBucky | war: fdisk doesnt see it anymore. good sign |
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| 13:51.41 | mooper | how do I add an IP address to an interface? |
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| 13:52.01 | sussudio | man interfaces |
| 13:52.04 | wols_ | !tell mooper about interfaces |
| 13:52.29 | YouBucky | mooper: /etc/network/interfaces. Man page will tell you the details to enter |
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| 13:53.00 | war | YouBucky: look in /etc/mdadm |
| 13:53.14 | war | YouBucky: the device itself will probably still be there until reboot |
| 13:53.51 | YouBucky | war: ahuh looks like the array is configured in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
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| 13:54.19 | war | YouBucky: yep |
| 13:54.46 | YouBucky | war: seeing as I want that configuration anyway should I quickly blow away the partition tables with fdisk and create the array using mdadm --create |
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| 13:55.29 | cur4tor | is there an 'simple' way to adjust jiffies with NTP ? |
| 13:55.46 | war | YouBucky: that should work |
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| 13:56.33 | war | YouBucky: and then edit the mdadm.conf with the new UUID |
| 13:56.43 | YouBucky | war: thanks by the way. Delete the entry from madm.conf first. From what I've read I believe this is reentered in the create process? |
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| 13:58.14 | war | nope |
| 14:00.23 | war | YouBucky: u got to fix it manually |
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| 14:01.05 | YouBucky | war: cool, just fdisked the disks proceeding with the create |
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| 14:02.08 | war | YouBucky: ok |
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| 14:07.21 | majmun | i'd like to create 2 directories with one mkdir-command, mkdir --parents --mode=660 /foo/1 --mode=000 /foo/2 doesn't work as i want to, because it sets chmod 000 for both directories, instead of 660 for the first and 000 for the second one |
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| 14:08.36 | YouBucky | war: message was "array /dev/md0 started". I was kinda expecting the RAID to build? |
| 14:08.45 | hoxu | majmun, so execute two commands? |
| 14:08.58 | YouBucky | war: that was all a little bit to immediate |
| 14:09.21 | majmun | yes, i meant with one mkdir-command, but it seems, that this is not possible, i'll have to use 2 |
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| 14:10.19 | jetscreamer | script it |
| 14:10.23 | taime1 | how do i know what sound module is being used? |
| 14:10.28 | jetscreamer | lsmod |
| 14:10.39 | war | YouBucky: it activates it immediately |
| 14:10.43 | war | YouBucky: cat /proc/mdstat for array status |
| 14:10.44 | jetscreamer | lsmod|grep -i snd if alsa |
| 14:10.44 | taime1 | no, i mean how do i know which ons being used? |
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| 14:10.50 | taime1 | okay |
| 14:10.56 | jetscreamer | by looking at the list |
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| 14:11.05 | jetscreamer | if it's not alsa it won't say snd |
| 14:11.06 | indro | hi all |
| 14:11.19 | taime1 | jetscreamer: i cant tell by looking at the list.. there are like 7 listed |
| 14:11.21 | YouBucky | war: OK recovery is churning ist way up |
| 14:11.36 | taime1 | thats why i asked the original question |
| 14:11.38 | war | YouBucky: what speed? |
| 14:11.42 | war | YouBucky: now u need the UUID |
| 14:11.44 | jetscreamer | lspci |grep -i audio and match them up? |
| 14:11.45 | YouBucky | war: reasonably quickly, 64k block size hmmmmmmm |
| 14:11.53 | taime1 | ill try that |
| 14:11.54 | war | YouBucky: how quickly? |
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| 14:12.17 | YouBucky | war: whats the best way to determine teh speed? |
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| 14:12.23 | war | YouBucky: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 14:12.27 | war | YouBucky: it tells you ... KB/s |
| 14:13.08 | YouBucky | war: it does indeed 18424K/sec |
| 14:13.22 | war | YouBucky: mdadm --example --scan |
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| 14:13.30 | war | YouBucky: u dont need the spare line, just the UUID |
| 14:13.35 | war | YouBucky: put that into the mdadm.conf |
| 14:13.39 | war | YouBucky: wiat until it done rebuild, reboot |
| 14:13.43 | war | YouBucky: then u should br all set |
| 14:13.54 | taime1 | jetscreamer: its either snd_intel18x0 or snd_intel18x0m ... |
| 14:14.06 | taime1 | they are both listed |
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| 14:14.26 | YouBucky | war: thank you. What was the mdadm --example --scan |
| 14:14.29 | metafor | My box is currently set up to use a random dhcp server, how do I check which is currently being used? |
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| 14:14.38 | war | YouBucky: uh you need the UUID |
| 14:14.42 | war | YouBucky: to put into mdadm.conf |
| 14:14.55 | mooper | ta wols_ |
| 14:14.56 | asg | metafor: look in /var/log/syslog (see which machine gave you the offer you accepted) |
| 14:15.49 | indro | I installed qt4-designer-kde4-plugins but I see the plugin not in qt4-designer? any idea whats wrong? |
| 14:15.54 | YouBucky | war: get it from mdadm --detail /dev/md0 right? |
| 14:16.04 | war | YouBucky: the command i gave u |
| 14:16.06 | war | YouBucky: mdadm --example --scan |
| 14:16.10 | war | YouBucky: will give u the exact line |
| 14:16.14 | war | to put into mdadm.conf |
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| 14:16.31 | YouBucky | war: doesnt accept the command |
| 14:16.43 | war | YouBucky: huh? |
| 14:16.46 | war | YouBucky: what is the error? |
| 14:16.50 | YouBucky | doenst know the option "example" |
| 14:16.56 | war | sorry |
| 14:16.58 | war | mdadm --examine --scan |
| 14:16.59 | war | typo |
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| 14:17.47 | YouBucky | war: thats hot - sorted |
| 14:17.59 | war | ignore the spare line |
| 14:18.03 | war | u only need the UUID line |
| 14:18.06 | war | and put it int mdadm.conf |
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| 14:18.13 | YouBucky | war: thanks for your help. Can I get you any further info on the Thecus? |
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| 14:18.24 | war | YouBucky: just some performnce benchmarks when you are done |
| 14:18.28 | war | YouBucky: i'd be curious :) |
| 14:18.37 | eallik | is it OK just to have configuration partials in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ and no /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
| 14:18.38 | war | done meaning raid rebuild complete |
| 14:18.48 | war | there are a few commands (bonnie++ u coudl run on it to test performance) |
| 14:18.58 | YouBucky | war: hehe no sorry. The command work is all I meant |
| 14:19.03 | war | k |
| 14:19.07 | war | u should be done with it |
| 14:19.12 | war | wait until rebuild is done and reboot |
| 14:19.19 | eallik | it's weird that nobody almost ever answers... |
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| 14:19.49 | YouBucky | war: Cheers mate, I'll get to bed, let the build go overnight and run some tests in the morning |
| 14:19.57 | war | YouBucky: k |
| 14:21.56 | shamrock | can any one please tell me where their wordpress icon is on gnome desktop |
| 14:22.33 | xand | I don't have one. |
| 14:23.03 | indro | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.23 | Azio | hey... is there any way to get screen to record (max_filesize) log from the tty |
| 14:23.49 | Azio | sometimes when dealing with hackers, with daemons that dont support logfiles it would make some sense to get screen to pipe data itself rather than the app as the app runs in screen |
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| 14:24.05 | Arafangion | Azio: Crackers, you mean. |
| 14:24.07 | Azio | ohh and is closed source. |
| 14:24.17 | Azio | i would describe spamming a port as hacking |
| 14:24.24 | xand | you mean crackers |
| 14:24.25 | Azio | but.. this is not the first time i've had this debate.. |
| 14:24.33 | Azio | ;p |
| 14:24.51 | Arafangion | Azio: Then why do you persist? |
| 14:24.58 | Azio | if you insist.. I still fail to see how cracking has anything to do with something that parallels with DOS |
| 14:25.12 | xand | !hacker |
| 14:25.12 | dpkg | hacker is, like, someone that hacks. see hacking. or an interesting essay can be found at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiosity. |
| 14:25.16 | xand | read that |
| 14:25.21 | Azio | I suppose DDOS is also cracking |
| 14:25.31 | Azio | which is utter crap |
| 14:25.32 | Azio | but mmkay |
| 14:25.32 | xand | not really |
| 14:25.33 | Azio | ;p |
| 14:25.38 | xand | it's not hacking either |
| 14:25.50 | Azio | i deal with networking systems.. If i cant fucking call it cracking or hacking what the hell do i call it! |
| 14:25.52 | Azio | damn you guys ;[ |
| 14:25.59 | Azio | always with the "its not hacking" |
| 14:25.59 | Azio | ;p |
| 14:26.05 | xand | denial of service |
| 14:26.24 | Azio | yes which is a hack ;p |
| 14:26.36 | Arafangion | Azio: What do you call us programmers who figure something out and get software that refuses to do something to do it anyway, via contortious logic, while somehow managing to redesign the project so that it still has a reasonable design, without documentation of any kind? |
| 14:26.37 | xand | no |
| 14:26.40 | Azio | a very clumsy networking hack. but its certainly not a f***ing crack! |
| 14:26.44 | Azio | its an exploit ;p |
| 14:26.46 | Azio | its a hack. |
| 14:26.48 | xand | it's not a hack |
| 14:26.54 | Azio | its more of a hack than a crack |
| 14:26.56 | widrone | Azio: How about vandalism, or "blody annoying" ;) |
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| 14:26.58 | Azio | so fu ;[ |
| 14:27.06 | Azio | haha |
| 14:27.16 | Azio | ok widrone fair enough ;p |
| 14:27.29 | Azio | i wouldnt mind but the customer is getting a bit rampant about it ;p |
| 14:27.37 | Azio | It's not my fault they insist on running buggy closed source, outdated software |
| 14:27.43 | Arafangion | Azio: You hack up a block of wood to make a nice sculpture, you crack open a safe to steal cash out of it. That's all it boils down to it. |
| 14:27.56 | Azio | but it is frustrating when i ask a question about screen and it comes down to "cracking" you mean.. no i dont mean cracking or i would bloody well say it! |
| 14:28.14 | Azio | Arafangion .. fair enough |
| 14:28.26 | Azio | Clearly a ddos is a hackers exploit |
| 14:28.30 | Azio | as is port spamming/knocking |
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| 14:28.40 | Azio | an exploit used to hack code usually.. |
| 14:28.42 | Arafangion | Azio: Then call it spamming. |
| 14:28.45 | Azio | but sometimes network infrastructure |
| 14:28.50 | Azio | but its not spamming.. it is hacking |
| 14:28.54 | Azio | I argue that it is hacking fs |
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| 14:28.54 | Azio | ;p |
| 14:28.59 | Arafangion | Azio: Consult your damn dictionary. |
| 14:29.02 | Azio | ;[ |
| 14:29.42 | Arafangion | Azio: It was only through the media that "hacking" got it's incorrect description. |
| 14:29.48 | Azio | and I thought I was pedantic |
| 14:29.53 | Azio | ;p |
| 14:29.57 | Arafangion | Azio: And the media gets many terms wrong. |
| 14:30.04 | Azio | yes |
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| 14:30.13 | Azio | I do know one or two things about security i've had this conversation manyyyy times |
| 14:30.25 | xand | only one or two? :) |
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| 14:30.26 | Azio | and I accept the point.. but in this case cracking & hacking may not be a fair description of either ;p |
| 14:30.31 | gryfel | justanother silly question: is it possible to reserve a specific usb-port a minimum bitrate? |
| 14:30.31 | Azio | yes |
| 14:30.34 | Azio | only one or two ;p |
| 14:30.49 | widrone | Azio: You were trying to get screen to log something you were saying? |
| 14:30.54 | Azio | heh.. |
| 14:30.55 | Azio | aye ;] |
| 14:31.10 | Azio | im looking for ip's so it makes sense to log |
| 14:31.12 | Azio | find the bastards ip |
| 14:31.14 | Azio | and table him |
| 14:31.17 | Arafangion | Azio: How about this, instead of saying "hacking", say "strawberry" instead. |
| 14:31.22 | Azio | lol |
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| 14:31.35 | Azio | i think im going to call it a goat attack |
| 14:31.45 | Arafangion | Azio: That's fine, too. |
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| 14:31.57 | Azio | because only a moron would spam ports like this |
| 14:32.05 | widrone | Ill go strawberry my slug? No sorry, that wont work. Makes me feel all perverted inside for some reason. |
| 14:32.09 | Azio | its not even affecting the network its just winding up one of our customers heh |
| 14:32.12 | Arafangion | Azio: Most script kiddies are morons. |
| 14:32.20 | Azio | aye |
| 14:32.26 | Arafangion | Azio: I had someone try to crack into my openssh port for a year. |
| 14:32.31 | Azio | lmfao |
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| 14:32.47 | Azio | i have picked up about a million brute force attempts or something |
| 14:32.50 | Azio | i cba to iptable |
| 14:33.00 | Arafangion | Azio: Sad thing was... he failed, despite me never changing my password nor my account name. |
| 14:33.04 | Azio | loll |
| 14:33.07 | widrone | Azio: First thing that comes to mind is the "console on/off) to grab the console, but Im guessing its not what you want? |
| 14:33.20 | Azio | yeah because your smart and chosen a proper password with a strong hash |
| 14:33.31 | Azio | well widrone .. |
| 14:33.34 | Azio | I have a closed source app |
| 14:33.36 | Azio | running in screen |
| 14:33.43 | Arafangion | Azio: That, and I only allowed a very particular account to get in, and the dude was running a stupid dictionary attack on all common names. |
| 14:33.45 | Azio | screen obviously recives the cout pipe |
| 14:33.54 | Arafangion | Azio: Never once even trying "admin". |
| 14:34.02 | Azio | and im thinking maybe screen can help me better than > |
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| 14:34.07 | Azio | lol Arafangion |
| 14:34.08 | Azio | ;[ |
| 14:34.10 | Azio | thats poor |
| 14:34.13 | Arafangion | Azio: "admin", btw, being the only name that can get in. ;) |
| 14:34.28 | Azio | aye |
| 14:34.35 | Arafangion | Azio: It was damn annoying, because this was a 64kbps line. |
| 14:34.42 | Azio | ouch |
| 14:34.47 | Azio | isdn or something? |
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| 14:35.07 | Azio | you would think they would try ad* first |
| 14:35.08 | Arafangion | Azio: 64kbps uplink, anyway. 256/64 ADSL line. |
| 14:35.09 | Azio | ;p |
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| 14:35.25 | Azio | ahh right.. yes i could imagine that to be farking with you pipe a bit |
| 14:35.34 | Azio | what did you do in the end? |
| 14:35.41 | Azio | change the ip? |
| 14:36.00 | Azio | my favourite game |
| 14:36.02 | Azio | change the ip! |
| 14:36.04 | Arafangion | Azio: I was busy with uni, so I just ignored the idiot, put in a few firewall rules after a while. |
| 14:36.09 | xand | Arafangion: hyst furewakk ut |
| 14:36.09 | Azio | ;] |
| 14:36.11 | xand | argh |
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| 14:36.21 | Azio | lol |
| 14:36.22 | Arafangion | xand: Indeed. :) |
| 14:36.34 | Azio | soo yes... |
| 14:36.39 | Azio | the goat exploit |
| 14:36.44 | Arafangion | xand: Firewalling doesn't really help too much with such a small pipe, though. |
| 14:36.53 | Azio | Arafangion very true |
| 14:36.57 | Azio | id change ip and null route the other |
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| 14:37.19 | Azio | bit annoying if its a global box or something |
| 14:37.33 | Azio | well it is if you value your time away from helpdesk |
| 14:38.17 | Azio | mhh |
| 14:38.25 | Azio | you know i might even come back later and re ask my question about screen |
| 14:38.28 | Azio | all this talk of goats has put me off |
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| 14:40.29 | widrone | Azio: Other then that I can give you my favorite part of the screen manpage "A weird imagination is most useful to gain full advantage of all the features". |
| 14:40.37 | Azio | lol |
| 14:40.55 | Arafangion | Azio: It's a box on a static IP, and changing the IP means changing the IP of a few other systems as well. |
| 14:41.10 | Arafangion | Azio: I ended up just outsourcing some services, and ignoring whatever's already happening. |
| 14:41.19 | Azio | heh |
| 14:41.24 | Azio | makes sense |
| 14:41.45 | Azio | global ip usage is as bad as central ip usage or masq |
| 14:42.00 | Azio | i suppose you could make "your own style" pix |
| 14:42.00 | rmaj | I run kmail... crash, I run kopete... crash... wow. |
| 14:42.16 | Azio | that dynamically updates the ip's on all your boxxen |
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| 14:42.22 | Azio | i wouldnt fancy it going wrong though ;p |
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| 14:42.48 | Azio | makes sense though i think - if all your customers are using hostnames |
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| 14:43.00 | Azio | almost doable with dns and internal ip usage |
| 14:43.09 | Azio | mhh not a solution for my problem though unfortunately ;[ |
| 14:43.10 | fairway | LALALALALA |
| 14:43.38 | Azio | yes |
| 14:43.43 | Azio | that too |
| 14:43.54 | Azio | bbl chaps, lunch |
| 14:43.55 | Arafangion | Azio: Indeed, but remember, I am studing at uni, and studying WAY too much. :( |
| 14:43.59 | Azio | I will return to this screen problem shortly |
| 14:44.06 | Azio | Arafangion: ahhh |
| 14:44.10 | Arafangion | Azio: Last semester, for every subject that had a mark, I got teh top mark possible. |
| 14:44.12 | Azio | I failed uni, many times |
| 14:44.33 | Azio | yeah. me too in the first year |
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| 14:44.42 | Azio | but then again the first year was so easy i could have taught the lecturers ;[ |
| 14:44.46 | Arafangion | Azio: I'm deaf, I don't have much choice. |
| 14:44.49 | Azio | ahh |
| 14:44.57 | Azio | well I didn't notice funnily enough ;] |
| 14:45.01 | Azio | the internet has no limitations for us |
| 14:45.02 | Arafangion | Azio: :) |
| 14:45.03 | Azio | I am dyslexic |
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| 14:45.16 | Arafangion | Azio: My group member is (slightly) dyslexic. |
| 14:45.20 | Azio | mmm... |
| 14:45.22 | Azio | feel sorry for him |
| 14:45.28 | Azio | he could be a very smart person.. just slow.. |
| 14:46.06 | Arafangion | Azio: He is, actually, he's a very good website programmer too. |
| 14:46.08 | jeffwheeler | What is the progress bar that can be displayed instead of all the kernel loading things called? I was impressed to see Fedora hide all these messages. |
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| 14:46.18 | Azio | I've noticed dyslexic people that i've worked for/with / have working for me that they are useless learners in some cases.. maybe not with practical stuff.. but for both practical and theory they are killers at remembering and making creative use of the theory and practical experience they have |
| 14:46.23 | Arafangion | Azio: sg-universe.net <-- One of his sites. |
| 14:46.32 | pax | hello, where can I find python2.5 gdchart debian package ?? |
| 14:46.35 | asg | jeffwheeler: splashy (google for bootsplash) |
| 14:46.41 | Azio | cool |
| 14:46.46 | Azio | i know it |
| 14:46.52 | Azio | been on it many times |
| 14:46.56 | Azio | I am a dedicated SG-1 Fan |
| 14:46.57 | Azio | ;] |
| 14:47.10 | jeffwheeler | asg: sweet, thanks |
| 14:47.15 | Azio | small world the internet.. |
| 14:47.19 | Azio | Arafangion.. no limitations , none ;] |
| 14:47.26 | Azio | good luck with your uni stuff man i am sure you will do great |
| 14:47.29 | adappc | can we mix debian and ubuntu repository in sources.list ?? i mean i want to keep a main from etch, but if i want a gnome2.20 or pidgin..looks to be necessary to look elsewhere |
| 14:47.34 | Azio | bbl lunch ;] |
| 14:47.40 | Wyzard | adappc: no, don't do that |
| 14:47.45 | Arafangion | Azio: Come to think of it, I'm not sure if he actually hosts it... I'll have to check. :) |
| 14:48.01 | adappc | Wyzard: ah... even if i remove "main" of ubuntu repository? |
| 14:48.12 | Arafangion | Azio: But his main personal site is valorin.net |
| 14:48.31 | jeffwheeler | adappc: Pidgin and much of GNOME 2.20 are available in Sid, and I suspect some in Lenny now too; try backports. |
| 14:48.32 | fengor | adappc: just dont do it |
| 14:48.37 | fengor | ubuntu is not debian |
| 14:48.54 | adappc | i imagined all .deb are compatible |
| 14:48.55 | Arafangion | adappc: The package dependency system is quite simply incompatible. |
| 14:48.57 | fengor | there aer several differences even though both use apt-get |
| 14:49.00 | adappc | okok |
| 14:49.25 | Arafangion | adappc: In a sense they are, but the issue comes with respect to dependencies. |
| 14:49.33 | adappc | okok... |
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| 14:54.51 | SoulChild | Hi All! Is there a free MMORPG for Linux ???? |
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| 14:55.19 | asg | SoulChild: google for MUDs |
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| 14:55.28 | Aim_Here | Ummm, there is Second Life. |
| 14:56.13 | Aim_Here | Which is awful, despite the hype. Last I heard, they were GPLing the client, but that was a while back. |
| 14:56.40 | Dave2 | SL isn't an MMORPG, since it's not a game. |
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| 14:57.19 | tom-w | hi |
| 14:57.24 | widrone | SL may be, Massive and multi. Its even online and you see loads of roleplaying, but it aint a game. |
| 14:58.16 | Aim_Here | Well most MMORPGs don't require much skill either. 'Progress Quest' seems to be the ultimate MMO experience |
| 14:58.51 | Dave2 | #idlerpg ! |
| 14:58.54 | tom-w | is there a way to use KVM with edge? |
| 14:59.23 | adappc | hum..i've got a gpg error when apt-get update backports ? do you know how to fix that? |
| 15:00.18 | adappc | erf...i should read all the doc before asking here...sorry for noise :( |
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| 15:03.01 | simonrvn | Aim_Here: they've open sourced it yes |
| 15:03.16 | Christoph_vW | I just updated the kernel with aptitude - but the installer changed the my menu.lst again to hda1 :/ |
| 15:03.31 | Christoph_vW | this means boot failure at next boot |
| 15:03.45 | xand | how is SL not a game? |
| 15:04.00 | Wyzard | tom-w: If by "edge" you mean Edgy Eft, ask #ubuntu, not here |
| 15:04.22 | anunah | Does anybody use gprs connection via phone here? |
| 15:04.29 | tom-w | sorry, no |
| 15:04.35 | Aim_Here | Depends on your definition of game, of course, xand |
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| 15:04.54 | Aim_Here | SL is about as much a game as, ummm, origami |
| 15:05.05 | Dave2 | and IRC. |
| 15:05.14 | tom-w | my bad. i mean debian 4.0r1 |
| 15:05.22 | xand | etch |
| 15:05.30 | Wyzard | tom-w: If you mean etch, there are no KVM packages, but there might be a backport, or you could pull them from testing/unstable |
| 15:05.30 | SoulChild | Hi All! Is there a free MMORPG for Linux ???? |
| 15:05.43 | BUH_ | hi all, is there ifenslave-2.6 package in debian 4.0r1 DVD binary-1? can't find it |
| 15:05.43 | tom-w | english is not my language |
| 15:05.45 | xand | KVMs are software independent |
| 15:05.49 | Wyzard | SoulChild: I don't think there's a free MMORPG for any platform |
| 15:05.58 | Wyzard | xand: the Kernel Virtual Machine, not a KVM switch |
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| 15:06.17 | xand | Wyzard: how do you know he means that? c.c |
| 15:06.59 | Wyzard | tom-w: etch's kernel doesn't have KVM support built-in, but there's a "kvm-source" package that was meant for earlier kernels... it's not in etch, though, and it's probably not the latest version of KVM (since it's developed as part of the kernel now) |
| 15:07.01 | SoulChild | Wyzard: what about rappels |
| 15:07.03 | xand | !tell SoulChild about repeat |
| 15:07.12 | SoulChild | Wyzard: *rappelz check youtube |
| 15:07.14 | Wyzard | xand: because the question makes sense that way, and doesn't make sense otherwise |
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| 15:07.25 | Xitium | SoulChild: Most MUDS are free, also there are some web based mmorpgs that should be crossplatform |
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| 15:07.38 | SoulChild | xand: why not repeat ???? this time i got an answer :P |
| 15:07.38 | xand | Wyzard: it kinda makes sense from someone with non-fluent english |
| 15:07.51 | xand | you got an answer the first time |
| 15:07.52 | Xitium | You got an answer last time too |
| 15:07.57 | tom-w | k, thanks |
| 15:08.02 | SoulChild | Wyzard: also check "perfect World" ,... absoulut free |
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| 15:08.27 | Wyzard | SoulChild: hmm, hadn't heard of that one before... how do they afford to run the game's servers if players don't have to pay anything? |
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| 15:10.24 | Orion_X11 | how do I say that my machine is overheated? It is beeping very loudly without stopping |
| 15:10.37 | wfq | hi, Could anyone help me with my wifi's driver please? I compiled, added the firmware and loaded the module but the system still throws up eth0: no such a device |
| 15:10.38 | Christoph_vW | can I prevent apititude from changing my boot harddisk in menu.lst to hda1? |
| 15:11.04 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: aptitude doesn't touch your menu.lst |
| 15:11.20 | Christoph_vW | update-grub does |
| 15:11.35 | Christoph_vW | which is called when I update the kernel with aptitude |
| 15:11.54 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: That's not really aptitude making the change though |
| 15:12.11 | hark | wfq: it might not be eth0, check with iwconfig. |
| 15:12.22 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: Anyway, update-grub uses the special comments in the menu.lst file to generate the stanzas |
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| 15:12.23 | Christoph_vW | I don't care which app is fucking up my system - I only want to know how to prevent it |
| 15:12.25 | Orion_X11 | :-) |
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| 15:13.03 | wols_ | Christoph_vW: then edit your menu.lst |
| 15:13.09 | Christoph_vW | ok |
| 15:13.10 | wols_ | should be obvious what to change |
| 15:13.18 | Christoph_vW | yeah - just found it |
| 15:13.19 | acadia | order dedicated server |
| 15:13.20 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: If you want it to put a different drive or whatever into the kernel stanzas, edit those special comments in menu.lst ("# groot=", "# kopt=", etc.) and run update-grub again |
| 15:13.34 | acadia | asked them to install debian 64bit instead of RHEL5 x64 |
| 15:13.40 | acadia | under uname -a |
| 15:13.52 | acadia | what should I see to ensure it's 64bit debian? |
| 15:14.05 | asg | acadia: what does it currently say? |
| 15:14.06 | xand | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:14.18 | xand | look for /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:14.30 | Wyzard | acadia: "x86_64" rather than "i686" or whatever in the second-to-last field |
| 15:14.34 | Wyzard | acadia: uname -m |
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| 15:15.14 | acadia | Thanks, it states i686 |
| 15:15.15 | d00dMan | if one upgraded to sid, is there a way to go back to etch besides reinstalling? :O |
| 15:15.24 | Wyzard | d00dMan: no |
| 15:15.25 | asg | d00dMan: not easily |
| 15:15.46 | Wyzard | d00dMan: It'd be possible, though extremely tedious, to manually downgrade all the packages |
| 15:15.50 | xand | !downgrade |
| 15:15.51 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 15:15.56 | Wyzard | d00dMan: but that can still leave sid-related changes behind |
| 15:15.59 | asg | d00dMan: additionally, the further away in time sid and stable are separated, the harder it becomes |
| 15:16.11 | Christoph_vW | thanks - it is working now |
| 15:16.41 | d00dMan | apparently when i do a netinstall, it uses the genericAMD64 kernel? and doesnt pick up sound. additionally the NIC seems goofed up as it grabs a new MAC every reboot. |
| 15:17.01 | wols_ | d00dMan: it won't grab a new mac on reboot |
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| 15:17.04 | d00dMan | then i get recent kernel 2.6.18, but no alsa sound modules installed. :/ |
| 15:17.24 | d00dMan | wols_ : mine does? it keeps creating new ethX devices |
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| 15:17.38 | Wyzard | wols_: Apparently there exist NICs which don't have a hard-coded MAC, and generate a random one or something |
| 15:17.47 | Wyzard | wols_: I've seen someone else in here talking about having one |
| 15:17.57 | wols_ | Wyzard: ultimate of cheap suck as hardware? |
| 15:18.03 | wols_ | !tell d00dMan about z25 |
| 15:18.04 | acadia | ok, if I need to compile applications as 64-bit, what should be the cflags that are passed? |
| 15:18.07 | asg | Wyzard: if that's the case, he could set the mac in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:18.16 | wols_ | acadia: if you run a 32bit debian, you can't |
| 15:18.18 | Wyzard | No, ultimate of cheap is Realtek cards, and those have ordinary fixed MACs |
| 15:18.23 | wols_ | and 64bitness doesn't need special flags |
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| 15:18.40 | acadia | wols_: I'm going to have them reinstall with 64bit version debian |
| 15:18.48 | Wyzard | acadia: then you won't need any special options |
| 15:18.49 | wols_ | Wyzard: wrong. I once had a natsemi that was cheaper. and a lot suckier too |
| 15:18.57 | d00dMan | it may have to do with improper modules for this nVidia chipset. from what i read i need 2.6.17+ for it to get the nvidia chipsets? |
| 15:19.10 | Wyzard | d00dMan: etch has 2.6.18 |
| 15:19.21 | wols_ | d00dMan: there is no sucht thing as "for nvidia chipsets" |
| 15:19.27 | xand | grrr, I need to get my remote server reinstalled due to disk failure... they'll put redhat/fedora back on it then i have the fun of installing debian remotely again :S |
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| 15:19.33 | wols_ | there a world of difference between an nforce and a nvidia 680 |
| 15:19.36 | Xitium | What do ya'll think of fluxbox? |
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| 15:19.44 | wols_ | !polls |
| 15:19.44 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 15:19.47 | acadia | From my understanding there are fewer packages, that are built for x8664 on debian? |
| 15:19.48 | d00dMan | wyzard: but is that the kernel used to do initial hardware identification? |
| 15:20.01 | wols_ | acadia: you understand wrong a lot of things |
| 15:20.06 | Wyzard | d00dMan: yes, it's what the installer runs |
| 15:20.07 | wfq | I hark, if I try with eth1 I get the same error, however the eth1 for the gigabit card is working |
| 15:20.24 | d00dMan | wyzard: shoot, then i'm even more lost than before |
| 15:20.31 | Wyzard | acadia: I'm running amd64 Debian, and the only things I've noticed being unavailable are a few non-free apps: Flash plugin, Java plugin, and Google Earth |
| 15:20.37 | wols_ | d00dMan: what soundcard do you have? |
| 15:20.46 | Wyzard | acadia: Everything else works fine |
| 15:20.48 | d00dMan | cause 2.6.18 etch should be fine with this nvidia |
| 15:20.58 | acadia | Wyzard: nope don't need any of that stuff |
| 15:21.22 | d00dMan | wols_: i have onboard Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 15:21.25 | acadia | it's simply apache2,mysql,php, ruby rails, ffmpeg and several codecs only thing going on themachine? |
| 15:21.33 | wols_ | d00dMan: snd-hda-intel |
| 15:21.36 | acadia | but I know the codecs I'll need to compile |
| 15:21.39 | Wyzard | acadia: btw, GCC can be told to build 32-bit or 64-bit binaries with "-m32", or "-m64" -- but you don't need to use that because 64-bit GCC defaults to producing 64-bit binaries |
| 15:22.01 | d00dMan | plus this changing MAC on reboot is killing me :S. need a static ip, and it keeps generating a new ethX with DHCP |
| 15:22.02 | wols_ | acadia: w32codes are not available and for the others ffmpeg already exists |
| 15:22.03 | gustavo | does anyone knows a app like 'getright' that uses proxy? |
| 15:22.20 | wols_ | d00dMan: I told you the solution to the problem with the ethernet. or rather dpkg did |
| 15:22.22 | acadia | Wyzard: perfect thanks |
| 15:22.23 | d00dMan | wols_ so i can use modconf to install that snd-hda-intel? |
| 15:22.30 | acadia | wols_: thanks |
| 15:22.36 | acadia | alright I'll have them reinstall os |
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| 15:22.43 | wols_ | !tell d00dMan about install alsa |
| 15:22.47 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I couldn't get gcc to produce a 32bit kernel, ended up building in a 32bit chroot. |
| 15:23.19 | d00dMan | wols_: i did that and wiped that file out. it is still regenerating those new eth's |
| 15:23.23 | wols_ | d00dMan: /msg dpkg alsa install |
| 15:23.34 | wols_ | d00dMan: read the FULL factoid. not half of it |
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| 15:27.13 | hark | wfq: no, not eth1. does iwconfig any other interface? |
| 15:27.33 | hark | oh |
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| 15:29.16 | d00dMan | wols_ - thanks, i didnt delete that other file. and will give the alsa install a try. i have all the alsa packages installed, but no module |
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| 15:29.47 | wols_ | if it's installed, run alsaconf |
| 15:29.49 | Hub441 | hi! |
| 15:30.02 | Hub441 | can i get the shutdown-menue from kubuntu in debian with kde? |
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| 15:30.31 | DustyBin | wols_ what desktop do you use? |
| 15:30.31 | wols_ | maybe ask #debian-kde |
| 15:30.40 | d00dMan | wols_ alsaconf says nohthing detected |
| 15:30.42 | wols_ | DustyBin: screen |
| 15:30.51 | DustyBin | lol i should of guessed |
| 15:31.09 | wols_ | d00dMan: with snd-hda-intel it pays to have the latest and greatest kernel and alsa-utils btw |
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| 15:31.28 | DustyBin | wols_ what happens if you need to view a website? |
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| 15:31.34 | wols_ | DustyBin: usually some *box variant. lightweight and a popup menu for starting stuff, just like I have on windows |
| 15:31.46 | xand | fluxbox++ |
| 15:31.59 | wols_ | DustyBin: my main desktop is windows |
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| 15:32.20 | DustyBin | im not sure what that is, is this a default x windows ? |
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| 15:34.20 | creature | Hello. How unstable is lenny at the moment? If I moved my desktop machine over to it, am I entering a world of pain? |
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| 15:35.00 | wols_ | you use a computer. you already are ina w |
| 15:35.04 | TrueDD | re |
| 15:35.05 | wols_ | in a world of pain |
| 15:35.18 | Sponzor | how to change name of file that has space betwen name? test test |
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| 15:35.34 | Wyzard | Sponzor: Put it in quotes, or escape the space with a backslash |
| 15:35.34 | DustyBin | Sponzor: regex? |
| 15:35.49 | Ahmadinejad | Why this error: http://pastebin.ca/720320 WHY? |
| 15:36.00 | DustyBin | i misread |
| 15:36.01 | zamuro | lol |
| 15:36.09 | Sponzor | regex? |
| 15:36.24 | Wyzard | Ahmadinejad: bug in the program? |
| 15:36.25 | Sponzor | the file is "test test" and i want it to be test2 |
| 15:36.25 | wols_ | Sponzor: test\ test |
| 15:36.25 | Christoph_vW | I have a problem with a NIC in my server dmesg displays |
| 15:36.26 | Christoph_vW | eth2: setting half-duplex. |
| 15:36.26 | Christoph_vW | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth2: link is not ready |
| 15:36.28 | predder | creature, running it on several boxes with zero issues |
| 15:36.37 | Christoph_vW | how can I figure out what's wrong? |
| 15:36.42 | Ahmadinejad | maybe |
| 15:36.53 | Sponzor | ok works |
| 15:36.53 | Sponzor | tnx |
| 15:37.08 | creature | predder: Thanks for the input. |
| 15:37.19 | Ahmadinejad | when dos lenny get stable? |
| 15:37.40 | creature | Ahmadinejad: When it's ready. |
| 15:37.47 | creature | If you want my guess, check back in 18 months. |
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| 15:37.58 | zamuro | creature: I run Lenny... No sweat at it. |
| 15:38.08 | DustyBin | ""There are basically two exabytes of traffic that flow over the internet." |
| 15:38.10 | Arafangion | creature: 18 months? Debian's development has sped up considerably since they dropped the m68k. |
| 15:38.13 | DustyBin | wtf is a exabyte |
| 15:38.16 | Ahmadinejad | ok |
| 15:38.38 | Eulex | !exabyte |
| 15:38.40 | Ahmadinejad | i run sid, but it is too unstable:P |
| 15:38.52 | creature | Arafangion: Well, I'll believe it when I see it. |
| 15:38.55 | Wyzard | DustyBin: 1024 petabytes, aka 1048576 terabytes |
| 15:38.56 | predder | I think exa is above peta? |
| 15:38.56 | hark | !dict exabyte |
| 15:38.59 | dpkg | Dictionary 'exabyte' (1 of 7): . 151 "exabyte" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" exabyte. |
| 15:39.04 | Arafangion | creature: Personally, I think it will be 14 months. ;) |
| 15:39.10 | Eulex | DustyBin, 1024 terabytes, afaik |
| 15:39.24 | predder | kb < mb < gb < tb < pb < eb |
| 15:39.24 | Eulex | oh, no, that's petabyte |
| 15:39.26 | hark | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.42 | lunk | i have a petabyte of storage in my calculator watch |
| 15:39.47 | Wyzard | Ahmadinejad: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=444579 |
| 15:40.00 | predder | wow, that was answered way too many times |
| 15:40.32 | creature | Arafangion: The more exactly you try to find out, the less certain you'll be. |
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| 15:40.56 | Arafangion | creature: Haha, Close. :) |
| 15:41.08 | acadia | lol |
| 15:41.42 | Arafangion | I reckon they should be able to make 9 cubit models soon. |
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| 15:42.07 | Arafangion | Makes you wonder if a classic concept of an 'Operating System' even makes sense. |
| 15:42.31 | Wyzard | Arafangion: I think you mean "qubit"... a cubit is an ancient unit of length :-) |
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| 15:42.39 | acadia | don't see why it would make a difference |
| 15:42.41 | Arafangion | Wyzard: Oops, indeed. :) |
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| 15:43.00 | Arafangion | acadia: How so? |
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| 15:43.28 | Arafangion | acadia: classic OS's require thousands, or millions of transitors, and are binary in nature, not probabilitic. |
| 15:43.29 | acadia | how information is represented is the only thing that's changing in quantum computing |
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| 15:43.59 | acadia | what does that have to do with an OS? |
| 15:44.18 | Arafangion | acadia: Hmm, even such a statement reveals my ignorance, it seems. |
| 15:44.38 | Arafangion | G'night all. |
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| 15:45.15 | gustavo | any good reason why theres no more apt-setup? |
| 15:46.30 | hoxu | !tell gustavo about apt-setup |
| 15:46.44 | gustavo | ;O |
| 15:47.18 | Nihill | is there any way to see why a program keeps crashing? |
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| 15:47.31 | xand | strace? |
| 15:47.33 | Nihill | ktorrent keeps dying for some reason |
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| 15:47.59 | gustavo | log? strace? |
| 15:48.03 | hoxu | Nihill, ~/.xsession-errors, strace, gdb, try upgrading to newer version, check bug tracker, etc :p |
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| 15:49.00 | Nihill | where will I find that directory? |
| 15:49.05 | hoxu | Nihill, if nothing helps it may be a good idea to move the config directories away and see if it starts fine with defaults, then move some old files over the new config and see when it starts crashing |
| 15:50.15 | Christoph_vW | damn - Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown device 4364 |
| 15:50.24 | gustavo | ~/ mean urs /home |
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| 15:51.51 | Greyscale | I've asked every day for about 4 days running and noone has responded |
| 15:51.54 | Greyscale | how do I fix this: http://pastebin.com/m4bdc6e5c |
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| 15:52.24 | hoxu | Greyscale, asked program author?:P |
| 15:52.32 | hark | are you in the netdev group? |
| 15:52.32 | corey | stew hello sir! |
| 15:52.41 | Greyscale | I dunno who the heck that'd be |
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| 15:52.53 | Nihill | arent directorys with a . before them hidden? |
| 15:52.55 | Greyscale | I'm just trying to use nm-applet damnit without being root |
| 15:53.07 | Greyscale | Nihill, until you unhide them :P |
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| 15:53.16 | corey | Greyscale add user to netdev group? |
| 15:53.18 | Greyscale | which is CTRL+H in gnome |
| 15:53.23 | Greyscale | corey, how? |
| 15:53.36 | corey | Greyscale adduser user netdev as root |
| 15:53.36 | Greyscale | hark, how? |
| 15:53.38 | hoxu | Greyscale, adduser <user> <group> |
| 15:53.42 | Nihill | how do I do it in the terminal? |
| 15:53.48 | Greyscale | o,o# |
| 15:53.49 | Greyscale | OK |
| 15:53.51 | hoxu | Nihill, do what? |
| 15:54.03 | Nihill | view hidden directorys |
| 15:54.11 | hoxu | ls -la |
| 15:54.16 | hoxu | or ls -a |
| 15:54.18 | hoxu | no wait |
| 15:54.20 | Greyscale | god damn... worked! |
| 15:54.21 | hoxu | actually you type this |
| 15:54.23 | hoxu | $ man ls |
| 15:54.35 | Greyscale | WHY WAS IT SO SIMPLE AND YET IT TOOK 4 DAYS TO WORK IT OUT? :-; |
| 15:54.36 | Nihill | danke hoxu |
| 15:54.45 | corey | Greyscale read the manuals ;-) should have told you to/ |
| 15:54.48 | Greyscale | hanks hoxu/corey |
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| 15:54.56 | hoxu | Greyscale, we are sorry for helping you out, please forgive us for not making you give up :-\ |
| 15:55.04 | Greyscale | hoxu, :P |
| 15:55.10 | xand | hehe |
| 15:55.18 | corey | kids ;-) |
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| 15:55.27 | Greyscale | I was about to reinstall just to get the default gnome setup |
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| 15:56.16 | hoxu | !reinstalling |
| 15:56.16 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstalling is what Windows users do to try to fix problems. Unix users read the errors and try to correct whatever's wrong |
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| 15:56.47 | corey | hoxu I thought that is how windows admins make money. ;-) |
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| 15:57.02 | hoxu | corey, feel free to add to the factoid... |
| 15:57.06 | Christoph_vW | dpkg: maybe most windows users - but not all |
| 15:57.31 | xand | the others just reboot |
| 15:57.54 | plushfrog | i just cannot get sound on this laptop no matter what i do... in the past, i had a laptop that had the same problem. a guy had me recompile my kernel and it worked. is there anyone here who can help me do this? as i believe this is the only solution. |
| 15:58.03 | Christoph_vW | any timeframe for the next stable debian version? |
| 15:58.13 | wols_ | !wir |
| 15:58.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 15:58.44 | wols_ | plushfrog: what soundchip? |
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| 15:59.03 | Christoph_vW | damn - I waited ages for Debian 4 to get support for my hardware - now I upgraded the server again and now I need a newer kernel again :( |
| 15:59.29 | wols_ | !tell Christoph_vW about backports |
| 15:59.31 | plushfrog | wols_ i dont know, but i can tell you this: freespire is the only distro that can recognize my sound card, prolly using a non-free module... that module is snd_intel18x0 |
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| 15:59.47 | hark | ha |
| 15:59.48 | corey | wols_ you might is there a new kernel mod for media cards the new sid kernel does not support mine. |
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| 16:00.07 | corey | wols_ you moght know... |
| 16:00.07 | wols_ | plushfrog: you have the most common soundcard ever, the module is not clsoed source and freespire certainly isn't the only distro that can use it |
| 16:00.20 | plushfrog | ok |
| 16:00.30 | wols_ | but: what is a "media card"? |
| 16:00.34 | hoxu | plushfrog, are you sure alsa volume is not adjusted to 0 or something? :P |
| 16:00.54 | plushfrog | that isnt the problem... i have been working on this for over a year |
| 16:01.14 | wols_ | !tell plushfrog about alsa checklist |
| 16:01.22 | plushfrog | the sound card isnt even recognized by linux in general |
| 16:01.30 | corey | wols_ oh a camera flash phone flash a micro sd |
| 16:01.31 | wols_ | plushfrog: lspci |
| 16:01.32 | plushfrog | ive been through the checklist |
| 16:01.50 | hoxu | wols_, that sixth point is... interesting :P |
| 16:01.53 | wols_ | plushfrog: and when alsaconf is over, what modules are laoded? |
| 16:01.59 | plushfrog | i did have a laptop with the same problem once and a guy had me recompile the kernel and that worked |
| 16:02.06 | plushfrog | i wonder if thats what i need to do with this one |
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| 16:03.05 | cahoot | plushfrog: run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a term - silence,noise, error? |
| 16:03.15 | plushfrog | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.19 | plushfrog | none detected |
| 16:03.36 | plushfrog | i dont mean to sound rude at all guys but i have been through all this |
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| 16:03.41 | cahoot | what if you first modprobe snd-intel8x0? |
| 16:03.43 | hark | why would just recompiling help? if it's snd-intel8x0, it's already in the kernel. modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 16:03.51 | plushfrog | i just need help recompiling the kernel |
| 16:03.59 | wols_ | plushfrog: just recompiling a kernel will not help you unless you actaully know what this myterious guy did |
| 16:04.07 | plushfrog | true |
| 16:04.07 | hoxu | plushfrog, you need to either tell everything what you've tried in order for us to help you, or bear with the suggestions :) |
| 16:04.11 | plushfrog | im lost then, arent i? |
| 16:04.30 | wols_ | plushfrog: I call BS. as I said, this card is the most common ever. what does lspci say? |
| 16:04.36 | plushfrog | okay.. well, lemme reinstall since im sure i have goofed all things up. ill be back in awhile |
| 16:04.43 | hoxu | !tell plushfrog about reinstalling |
| 16:05.06 | corey | plushfrog uhm ok newbie reinstall and it will fix it automagically ;-( |
| 16:05.19 | plushfrog | corey: thats not what i said |
| 16:05.29 | plushfrog | i said i want to reinstll so i can start fresh... |
| 16:05.30 | wols_ | plushfrog: that is what you said even if you don't mean it |
| 16:05.44 | plushfrog | i know the problem will still be there |
| 16:05.57 | DanE | cmooon,be nice ;) |
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| 16:06.06 | wols_ | plushfrog: but since you know evreything better than the people who you ask for suggestions: why the heck do you ask? |
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| 16:06.20 | plushfrog | i didnt say that |
| 16:06.26 | plushfrog | why am i being attacked? |
| 16:06.38 | hoxu | plushfrog, I suggest you try and see if you can fix the problem before reinstalling, you can reinstall later if you want to :) |
| 16:06.39 | plushfrog | i said id like to go reinstall, then i will do whatever you all ask of me |
| 16:06.41 | wols_ | !comfort plushfrog |
| 16:06.41 | dpkg | There, there, plushfrog. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 16:06.51 | wols_ | better? did that solve your problems? |
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| 16:07.04 | hoxu | !penixstrike wols_ |
| 16:07.04 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking wols_ to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:07.23 | corey | wols_ man I alsmost miss dpkg ;-) |
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| 16:07.49 | plushfrog | so, because i want to go reinstall, you find it neccesary to be mean? |
| 16:07.53 | wols_ | hoxu: good. you help him. good luck |
| 16:08.01 | plushfrog | my god, i said id follow all suggestions, ill be back, geez |
| 16:08.03 | hoxu | Aieee ! |
| 16:08.03 | corey | plushfrog no no we are mean anyways |
| 16:08.11 | plushfrog | corey: oh |
| 16:08.14 | plushfrog | ;) |
| 16:08.21 | DanE | it gives great PR! |
| 16:08.37 | hoxu | plushfrog, suggesting reinstallation here is like telling your mom that you are gay |
| 16:08.49 | plushfrog | i see |
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| 16:09.03 | plushfrog | anyways, its just cuz im compulsive |
| 16:09.08 | corey | plushfrog fix it then reinstall would make more sense to me...if you do want a clean system...mess around on the borked one instead |
| 16:09.10 | plushfrog | ill be back, ready to listen |
| 16:10.04 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html <- that explains why sometimes people may seem rude, among many other things |
| 16:11.36 | corey | hoxu your gay?!?! |
| 16:11.49 | hoxu | !your |
| 16:11.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
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| 16:11.59 | Ramattack | Hi mates... |
| 16:12.09 | Ramattack | I have been doing some tests with lvm... and snapshots |
| 16:12.23 | corey | hoxu no no abrotman is the reincarnated inglish teaker |
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| 16:12.56 | Ramattack | and have learned thanks to some master in this irc... that what it does is to freeze some blocks for later to be able to mount... that snapshot... |
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| 16:13.20 | Ramattack | but then what about snapshots storing changes during snapshot?... what's exactly is this? |
| 16:13.21 | corey | Ramattack cool...spent a month once to get evms to work, big waste of time |
| 16:13.31 | sdubois92 | im trying to install on a laptop, but when i get ot "install base system" i get tons of error messages that files on the disk are corrupted |
| 16:13.41 | Ramattack | sorry corey ? |
| 16:13.47 | sdubois92 | i used this same disk a week ago to install on my desktop |
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| 16:13.51 | hoxu | Ramattack, I don't understand your question, but if you are wondering how LVM works, I think it's roughly covered in the tldp howto |
| 16:14.00 | Ramattack | yes |
| 16:14.03 | corey | Ramattack evms is a userspace lvm on crack.. |
| 16:14.12 | Ramattack | but there are some issues that it doesn't talk clearly about |
| 16:14.24 | h3sp4wn | Can anyone recommend an mta that I can set up easily to forward all my local mail to gmail |
| 16:14.46 | corey | Ramattack you don't think it is writting to disks while you make a snapshot ?? |
| 16:14.46 | Ramattack | for example nobody sais how it takes the snapshot... |
| 16:14.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hands up anyone who is surprised: http://www.theonion.com/content/news/bush_announces_iraq_exit_strategy |
| 16:14.53 | DanE | there isnt an easy MTA! :) |
| 16:14.53 | wols_ | dunno about the "easy" part |
| 16:15.04 | blubberdiblub | the lvm tools are completely userspace as well. it just uses the dm backend of the kernel |
| 16:15.21 | Ramattack | yes and that's my main purpose... backing up live production servers without stoping any service |
| 16:15.30 | hoxu | sdubois92, maybe it's true? |
| 16:15.34 | Ramattack | so my question is |
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| 16:15.55 | corey | blubberdiblub not as much as evms and there is not the same metadata on the volumes and you don't need to break the kernel to get it to work ;-) |
| 16:15.55 | h3sp4wn | DanE: I was using nullmailer to a local mailserver (that is configured properly) but now I cannot because I am not on that network an my universities one needs ssl |
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| 16:16.26 | Ramattack | when I do a snapshot I freezing some blocks to become only readable by the operating system (for not to be modified and to be able to mount the snapshot) this blocks when need to be modified another new blocks are used then? |
| 16:16.34 | Ramattack | and second question |
| 16:16.52 | hoxu | Ramattack, I may be mistaken in this, but when you make a snapshot of LV the snapshot volume will carry the original blocks on the LV that where changed after the snapshot was made |
| 16:16.56 | DanE | h3sp4wn: i would suggest starting to read up on the differences between MTA's and thinking about which one you'd want to setup ;) |
| 16:17.02 | hoxu | s/where/were/ |
| 16:17.11 | DanE | h3sp4wn: but again,personally,i've never found an 'easy' one |
| 16:17.24 | blubberdiblub | corey: well, you can't always expect two different systems using the same metadata ;) not sure what you are referring to with "break the kernel", tho :) |
| 16:17.27 | h3sp4wn | DanE: I have used exim and sendmail but it seems an overkill for what I need to do |
| 16:17.37 | ricardo | Hi I have lost all the menus/ panels on my gnome desktop. i have been told that i can restore them like this http://paste.debian.net/38442 : is this correct : |
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| 16:17.43 | DanE | h3sp4wn: okay,well,it's a good beginning ;) |
| 16:17.44 | Ramattack | yes hoxu that's it... so have one frozen blocks... |
| 16:17.45 | sine | hi all |
| 16:17.49 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: MTAs are small |
| 16:17.49 | Ramattack | but the second question... |
| 16:18.32 | corey | blubberdiblub uhm when I did it you needed the evms kernel mod for it to work |
| 16:18.49 | jngu1 | Anyone here use katapult? |
| 16:18.55 | corey | blubberdiblub changed how disks were seen. |
| 16:19.01 | hoxu | !tell jngu1 about anyone |
| 16:19.04 | Ramattack | when you allocate a space in a snapshot... it's not the space can have as size the snapshot is the size of the buffer where changes are stored during snapshot or during those freeze proccess ??? and later this buffer changes stored will be written in new different blocks?? |
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| 16:19.22 | dendrite | ricardo: I don't see how those actions will affect your menus and panels. |
| 16:19.28 | jngu1 | sorry. |
| 16:19.37 | corey | blubberdiblub just found this http://wiki.debian.org/EVMS maybe different now. |
| 16:19.38 | jngu1 | Anyone know how to change the default browser in katapult? |
| 16:19.38 | blubberdiblub | corey: oh ... well, maybe then i'm not long enough into lvm. right now it uses dm, which seems like a clean interface to me. no evm stuff |
| 16:19.50 | dendrite | ricardo: If you create a new user, and login as that user, into gnome, does that user have a sane gnome environment? |
| 16:20.22 | hoxu | Ramattack, I don't understand that sentence, sorry, but the snapshot can be smaller than the actual partition, it will work as long as the changes don't grow too large, after which all operations on it will fail (if that's what you asked) |
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| 16:20.36 | ricardo | can someone help with my gnome display problem |
| 16:20.39 | wols_ | Ramattack: it will bring back the two bars on top and bottom if gnome-panel isn't running anymore |
| 16:20.46 | Ramattack | h3sp4wn, you could use postfix with local users as the most simple installation I assume... any others will be more difficult, qmail, exim, sendmail... don't advise you... |
| 16:20.54 | dendrite | ricardo: If you create a new user, and login as that user, into gnome, does that user have a sane gnome environment? |
| 16:20.57 | blubberdiblub | corey: or maybe i got your point confused ... |
| 16:21.13 | ricardo | dendrite i can log into root and get the panels back |
| 16:21.16 | Ramattack | sorry wols_ ??? |
| 16:21.20 | hoxu | !tell ricardo about can anyone help |
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| 16:21.33 | dendrite | ricardo: Try creating a new, non-root user, and test with that account. |
| 16:21.44 | corey | blubberdiblub it needed to lock the devices to work...both use dm |
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| 16:22.10 | ricardo | dendrite how do i do that |
| 16:22.33 | corey | blubberdiblub well really evms can use more than dm that is the point of using it. |
| 16:22.34 | dendrite | ricardo: Can you get a terminal shell? |
| 16:23.00 | Ramattack | h3sp4wn, and the most difficult although the most secure and IMHO opinion the best qmail.. but too difficult... and more if you're looking for some easy solution |
| 16:23.05 | ricardo | yeah when i log in in a failsafe or crt alt f2 |
| 16:23.14 | sine | ricardo: did you try to change the window manager or theme from the login prompt |
| 16:23.17 | xingu | what a colossal waste of time |
| 16:23.18 | blubberdiblub | corey: well, lvm works like a charm for me. i probably don't need any extra functionality beyond that :) |
| 16:23.23 | dendrite | ricardo: OK, ctrl+alt+f2, login as root, run |
| 16:23.34 | Ramattack | hoxu, that snapshot will be little than the original partition?? |
| 16:23.34 | dendrite | ricardo: adduser test |
| 16:23.53 | dendrite | ricardo: set a non-obvious password for that 'test' account. |
| 16:24.03 | Ramattack | I have created lvm snapshots but am not able to understand how they work... |
| 16:24.03 | ricardo | i type adduser test |
| 16:24.05 | hoxu | Ramattack, it can be smaller than the partition that the snapshot is being taken of, the size is given when you create the snapshot |
| 16:24.15 | sine | whats the name of the sudo group |
| 16:24.19 | dendrite | ricardo: Yes, that's the command to add a user in debian. |
| 16:24.28 | Ramattack | mmm that size if the buffer of changes... isn't it? |
| 16:24.46 | corey | blubberdiblub I got into it because you can migrate dom's live...which I never got to work. |
| 16:24.52 | hoxu | Ramattack, size of what changes? |
| 16:24.56 | Ramattack | yes |
| 16:24.57 | dendrite | ricardo: If in doubt, (and you should be, if you're taking the word of someone on IRC and typing it in at a root prompt), then read the man page for the command, e.g., "man adduser" |
| 16:25.01 | hoxu | argh ! |
| 16:25.05 | Ramattack | during snapshot taking! |
| 16:25.12 | Ramattack | I think unless :( |
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| 16:25.55 | blubberdiblub | corey: dom's? |
| 16:25.56 | ricardo | ok its acking me to press enter for the default |
| 16:26.07 | corey | blubberdiblub xen virtual servers |
| 16:26.23 | dendrite | ricardo: Yeah, seems reasonable, you just want to create a test user, to help isolate where the breakage is. |
| 16:26.25 | Ramattack | lol |
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| 16:26.34 | Ramattack | could anyone help us with this topic please |
| 16:26.36 | Ramattack | ? |
| 16:26.37 | Christoph_vW | wols_: thanks for the hint - now one of the NICs is working at least with gigabit speed |
| 16:26.41 | ricardo | dendrite ok ive created the test user |
| 16:26.49 | Christoph_vW | but the other one is still unsupported :/ |
| 16:26.54 | dendrite | ricardo: Now, login as 'test' into gnome. |
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| 16:27.32 | ricardo | dendrite ok |
| 16:27.39 | corey | blubberdiblub http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenStorage |
| 16:27.52 | wols_ | Christoph_vW: what kinda nic is it? |
| 16:28.03 | Christoph_vW | Marvell Yukon PCIe |
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| 16:28.32 | corey | blubberdiblub or even this hristoph_vW> wols_: thanks for the hint - now one of the NICs is working at |
| 16:28.32 | corey | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.39 | hoxu | Ramattack, I'll try to answer your question, but only if I can parse it |
| 16:28.47 | corey | hristoph_vW> wols_: thanks for the hint - now one of the NICs is working at |
| 16:28.57 | corey | blubberdiblub http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/19571.html |
| 16:29.00 | wols_ | I thought yukons have worked for ages? |
| 16:29.02 | sdubois92 | im trying to install on a laptop, but when i get ot "install base system" i get tons of error messages that files on the disk are corrupted |
| 16:29.15 | Christoph_vW | the Marvell Yukon PCI is working |
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| 16:29.20 | Christoph_vW | the PCIe is not |
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| 16:29.24 | hoxu | sdubois92, well, maybe the CD is broken? |
| 16:29.25 | corey | sdubois92 do a cd test from the installer. |
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| 16:29.41 | ricardo | dendrite i have the menus back |
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| 16:29.47 | Nyle_ | hey |
| 16:30.02 | dendrite | ricardo: OK, that means that something in your regular account has broken them. |
| 16:30.06 | amadeux | What are the advantages and disadvantages of using a low-latency kernel? Are there any advantages for normal non-realtime usage? Like better responsivity in X? |
| 16:30.06 | Ramattack | lol hoxu.... |
| 16:30.08 | Nyle_ | guys |
| 16:30.11 | Ramattack | let's tray this way... |
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| 16:30.19 | Ramattack | when you create a lvm snapshot you say lvm to freeze the actual used blocks (for being able to mount later the snapshot as it was) and to use a buffer of -L____ MB or GB as buffer of changes while it's taking the snapshot?? so for storing info that later will be written in new blocks because they are modifications of actual frozen blocks??? |
| 16:30.21 | dendrite | ricardo: BTW, have you tried to logout and log back in as your normal user, to see if that has any affect? |
| 16:30.35 | Nyle_ | i have a question and i don't know where to ask this, I have searched google and have not found anything out. here goes... is there a way to dualboot debian + mac os 9? |
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| 16:30.38 | ricardo | dendrite yeah |
| 16:31.07 | dendrite | ricardo: OK, let's see.. can you run any programs from within gnome, as your regular user? |
| 16:31.27 | dendrite | ricardo: Maybe by right-clicking on the desktop...? |
| 16:31.34 | ricardo | no i dont have any menus |
| 16:31.46 | amadeux | What are the advantages and disadvantages of using a low-latency kernel? Are there any advantages for normal non-realtime usage? Like better responsivity in X? |
| 16:31.47 | blubberdiblub | well, i can't seem to establish how that relates to additional features of evms over lvm. is it because of special cluster support? |
| 16:31.56 | xand | is "which" meant to return the path of the program that'll actually run? |
| 16:32.02 | dendrite | ricardo: OK, next question is, is your normal gnome setup very heavily customized, or would you be willing to just wipe it? |
| 16:32.18 | xand | "which wine" returns "/usr/local/bin/wine", but if I run "wine", it doesn't use that one |
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| 16:32.25 | dendrite | ricardo: I don't mean your files, just the gnome config stuff. |
| 16:32.25 | hoxu | Ramattack, not quite, the snapshot is created instantly, and the "size of the snapshot" / buffer is actually for holding original blocks of the target LV, when they change _after the snapshot has been taken_ |
| 16:32.38 | corey | blubberdiblub it is more than that..evms supports alot of features uhm raid for example that are better than lvm |
| 16:32.49 | xingu | xand: try "hash -r" first, see if that makes a difference |
| 16:32.52 | hoxu | Ramattack, the target LV is not frozen, it can be used normally and changes can be done on it |
| 16:33.07 | ricardo | dendrite yeah i could do that |
| 16:33.08 | Ramattack | but in new blocks... isn't it? |
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| 16:33.20 | hoxu | umm? |
| 16:33.31 | revil | hi guys!! remind me please how to identify the package of an installed file.. |
| 16:33.31 | dendrite | ricardo: I'm not certain where the gnome config is, probably in your home directory under .gnome. |
| 16:33.32 | ricardo | but isnt this the way to resolve the problem without having to do that http://paste.debian.net/38442 |
| 16:33.39 | hoxu | revil, apt-file search ? |
| 16:33.45 | blubberdiblub | corey: well, i guess it's overkill for my purposes |
| 16:33.48 | dendrite | ricardo: login as your usual user, into a console, e.g., CTRL+ALT+F3 |
| 16:33.49 | sdubois92 | how do i do a disk check when i boot the CD? |
| 16:33.55 | hoxu | revil, from package apt-file |
| 16:33.59 | Ramattack | hoxu, because actual ones are froozen? for preserving the snapshot state at one moment... |
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| 16:34.36 | corey | blubberdiblub it is a bitch to integrate and well didn't work correctly when I tried...hopefuly it is better these days. but it is a good idea. |
| 16:34.38 | hoxu | Ramattack, the snapshot "looks" like it is a frozen copy of the actual LV at the time when the snapshot was created |
| 16:34.38 | ricardo | dendrite ok ive done that |
| 16:34.57 | dendrite | ricardo: run 'ls -lart | grep g' |
| 16:35.06 | Ramattack | hoxu, but it isn't? |
| 16:35.14 | Ramattack | so wait a moment... |
| 16:35.16 | dendrite | ricardo: We're looking for directories that probably start with .g, as in .gnome. |
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| 16:35.37 | dendrite | Or, maybe someone on this channel just knows what directory gnome stores it's runtime config in?? |
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| 16:36.04 | corey | blubberdiblub now when there is a debian installer for it...it would be worth it look at the first link I gave you. |
| 16:36.10 | ricardo | dendrite i have a gnome2 |
| 16:36.10 | Ramattack | the size of the snapshot lv -L____ size... is the size allocated if those "frozen blocks" that are not frozen only marked to be copied in another please if they change from the snapshot moment? |
| 16:36.19 | dendrite | ricardo: .gnome2 ? |
| 16:36.27 | ricardo | dendrite yeah |
| 16:36.45 | dendrite | ricardo: OK. Are you currently logged in as your usual user, into gnome? |
| 16:36.46 | hoxu | Ramattack, as far as I know or can guess, it goes like this: after you have taken a snapshot of a LV, any change on the LV will result in the original block of the LV being copied to the snapshot LV, after which the actual change is done on the actual LV |
| 16:36.54 | blubberdiblub | well, i guess you can't talk me out of using lvm as long as it's working for me :) |
| 16:36.55 | ricardo | dendrite yes |
| 16:36.56 | dendrite | ricardo: Terminal login is OK, gnome session not OK. |
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| 16:37.09 | corey | blubberdiblub I use lvm... |
| 16:37.12 | hoxu | Ramattack, so the actual LV is changed normally, but the snapshot volume will contain the original blocks that have been changed after the snapshot was taken |
| 16:37.16 | revil | hoxu, doesn't seem to work.. I do eg.. dpkg -L nvidia-glx to get a list containing /foo/bar/.../nvidia-glx but apt-file search /foo/bar/.../vidia-glx yields EOF |
| 16:37.18 | dendrite | ricardo: OK, stay logged in as your regular user in the CTRL+ALT+F3 shell, but logout of gnome. |
| 16:37.25 | hoxu | revil, wrong target? |
| 16:37.31 | Nyle_ | i have a question and i don't know where to ask this, I have searched google and have not found anything out. here goes... is there a way to dualboot debian + mac os 9? |
| 16:37.36 | corey | ok bye all!! |
| 16:37.37 | ricardo | dendrite how do i do that |
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| 16:37.52 | dendrite | ricardo: ... |
| 16:37.55 | hoxu | does anyone know any good illustrations of LVM snapshots, I feel like I'm talking without proper knowledge here *and* not being understood either :P |
| 16:38.04 | dendrite | Is this IRC session from within your regular user's gnome session? |
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| 16:38.23 | revil | hoxu, target? |
| 16:38.29 | ricardo | no im in a internet cafe with the problem laptop nxt to me |
| 16:38.37 | hoxu | revil, as in, are you sure you meant to address that line to me? |
| 16:38.43 | dendrite | ricardo: Cool. OK, so logout of gnome. |
| 16:38.45 | Ramattack | hoxu, SO then what happens is lvcreate is run for taken a snapshot that does nothing than to record wich actual blocks are used... and later if one of those blocks is changed is copied in to lv snapshot for preserving state of the snapshot? |
| 16:38.57 | ricardo | dendrite i dont know how to |
| 16:38.57 | hoxu | revil, nevermind, I was confused for a bit there :P |
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| 16:39.04 | revil | hoxu, regarding apt-file search that was.. |
| 16:39.05 | dendrite | ricardo: CTRL+ALT+backspace will do it. |
| 16:39.22 | dendrite | ricardo: That's called "zap" by the way. |
| 16:39.24 | hoxu | revil, well, apt-file search has worked for me, I can't remember an alternative right now |
| 16:39.33 | revil | hoxu, sorry.. forget it, i'll search some more |
| 16:39.41 | Ramattack | hoxu, could be this correct? :) |
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| 16:39.49 | hoxu | perhaps someone with a clue can tell us how to find the owning package of a file |
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| 16:40.00 | dendrite | hoxu: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 16:40.10 | hoxu | Ramattack, I think it is, but I could be wrong :) |
| 16:40.23 | Ramattack | so really nothing happens |
| 16:40.31 | ricardo | dendrite that shut me down . Should i try starting in failsafe when i log in again |
| 16:40.32 | Ramattack | only a record of blocks |
| 16:40.33 | hoxu | revil, see dendrite's line ^ |
| 16:40.43 | Ramattack | sequence of number of blocks is copied |
| 16:40.49 | dendrite | ricardo: No, just go to CTRL+ALT+F3, and login there. |
| 16:40.58 | revil | dendrite, tanks!! worked like a charm! btw, what is the diff. between dpkg and apt-file? do I have to somehow initialise the latter> |
| 16:40.59 | dendrite | ricardo: That is, login on a console, not into gnome. |
| 16:41.21 | dendrite | revil: Good question, I don't know how they differ. |
| 16:41.22 | hoxu | Ramattack, well, basically all that needs to happen is for LVM to keep in mind that "when changes are made to the actual LV, copy the original blocks to this snapshot volume" |
| 16:41.37 | revil | thanks guys! :) |
| 16:41.41 | Ramattack | I see... |
| 16:41.46 | dendrite | revil: Maybe see what sort of beast apt-file is, maybe it's just a script wrapper... |
| 16:42.16 | ricardo | dendrite ok ive logged into ,my regulñar account which has brough up a desktop. ill do the ctrl alt f3 |
| 16:42.19 | Ramattack | so then of course if nothing changes... nothing (only has number sequence) is passed to snapshot and there it's size is smaller than the original volume... |
| 16:42.20 | Nyle_ | !ppc |
| 16:42.20 | dpkg | ppc is probably is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 16:42.27 | dendrite | ricardo: No, logout of X. |
| 16:42.33 | hoxu | (and if anyone knowledgeable about LVM noticed twisted facts, please correct) |
| 16:42.37 | dendrite | ricardo: You don't want gnome running. At all. |
| 16:42.47 | dendrite | ricardo: So, logout of gnome, and stay logged out. |
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| 16:43.04 | ricardo | ctrl alt delete does nothing |
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| 16:43.14 | dendrite | ricardo: The CTRL+ALT+F1/2/3/4/5/6 terms are available even when you're logged out. |
| 16:43.25 | dendrite | ricardo: ctrl+alt+backspace, not delete. |
| 16:43.48 | ricardo | dendrite i cant get out of gnome with ctrl alt backspace |
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| 16:44.16 | Ramattack | the is that hoxu ? (the last I wrote) |
| 16:44.23 | dendrite | ricardo: And can you right-click on the desktop and get a logout option? |
| 16:44.35 | zicho | How can I be be certain that a CD is empty? Is there any way to check? |
| 16:44.54 | ricardo | im at the terminal how do i get back to the desptop |
| 16:44.57 | dendrite | ricardo: Or, try CTRL+ALT+<backspace> again, in case gnome was busy. |
| 16:45.05 | hoxu | Ramattack, yes, afaik making a snapshot is really fast as it really does not do much :P |
| 16:45.08 | dendrite | ricardo: CTRL+ALT+F7 gets you to X desktop. |
| 16:45.21 | Ramattack | hoxu, :) thanks mate |
| 16:45.25 | Ramattack | now I understand all |
| 16:45.32 | Ramattack | I want to use this for making live backups |
| 16:45.35 | dendrite | ricardo: 1-6 are virtual terminals, 7 and up are X sessions. |
| 16:45.36 | Ramattack | :) |
| 16:45.38 | hoxu | Ramattack, I just hope I didn't give you any misinformation there... |
| 16:45.40 | blubberdiblub | Ramattack: that's right. if you don't expect vast changes to the original lv, you can have a pretty small snapshot volume |
| 16:45.45 | ricardo | no ctrl alt backspace still dont work . im back at the desktop |
| 16:46.02 | dendrite | ricardo: Do you have your gnome set to autologin? |
| 16:46.06 | Ramattack | thanks mates :) truthly |
| 16:46.08 | hoxu | Ramattack, anyway, you don't really need to understand how the underlying system works to use snapshots - it's enough to make a large enough snapshot LV to contain all the changes that happen _during the backup_ |
| 16:46.57 | blubberdiblub | Ramattack: and if the snapshot turns out being too small, you can always online extend it, just as you can with normal LVs |
| 16:47.06 | dendrite | ricardo: That is, when you zap, is it destroying and then re-creating your desktop, or is it just ignoring zap? |
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| 16:47.23 | ricardo | dendrite ignoring zap |
| 16:47.31 | dendrite | ricardo: Ugh. That's annoying. |
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| 16:47.49 | dendrite | ricardo: Well, OK, go back to the F3 or whatever terminal. |
| 16:48.12 | ricardo | ok when i jsy done ctrl alt backspace from the desktop it brought me back to the gnome login screen |
| 16:48.16 | damian | hello! |
| 16:48.20 | dendrite | ricardo: That's what you want. |
| 16:48.22 | hoxu | !greet damian |
| 16:48.23 | dpkg | Tag, damian |
| 16:48.29 | blubberdiblub | Ramattack: but anyways, you should take into account any possible peak usage (that is, in respect to changes), of course ;) |
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| 16:48.39 | dendrite | ricardo: The zap only works when you're looking at your X desktop, it won't work from the terminal. |
| 16:48.45 | dendrite | ricardo: So, you're logged out of gnome? |
| 16:48.57 | Ramattack | Oh the snapshot will be momentaneous... and will last on my disk the time rsync lasts in my incremental backup :) |
| 16:49.13 | ricardo | dandrite i have a draphical log in screen |
| 16:49.24 | ricardo | so i guess not |
| 16:49.29 | dendrite | ricardo: OK. Now, CTRL+ALT+F3 to get to a text login. |
| 16:49.42 | ricardo | ok done that |
| 16:49.44 | dendrite | ricardo: Do not log in at that graphical screen. |
| 16:49.46 | damian | i'm alone here ?? |
| 16:49.48 | Ramattack | but you know I'm quite meticulous and need to understand things quite nice... for working with them... :) this way I am |
| 16:49.56 | dendrite | ricardo: OK, are you logged in as your regular user, in the text console? |
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| 16:50.00 | hoxu | blubberdiblub, or if you want to be a geek you could somehow figure out how long the backup operation takes, how many MiB/s changes can be done at maximum, and figure out the snapshot size from that ;) |
| 16:50.13 | ricardo | dendrite i have a text login |
| 16:50.13 | damian | how upgrade debian to 4.0 ? |
| 16:50.21 | xand | damian: from what? |
| 16:50.34 | hoxu | !tell damian about sarge->etch |
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| 16:50.43 | dendrite | ricardo: OK, now, we want to just move the .gnome2 directory out of the way. So run "mv .gnome2 _.gnome2" |
| 16:51.01 | blubberdiblub | hoxu: yeah, probably :) but then one might want to make sure one doesn't forget to clip the calculated size to the size of the original volume *g* |
| 16:51.05 | damian | xand: from 3 |
| 16:51.12 | dendrite | ricardo: We don't want to delete that directory, because maybe it has clues for later, if you care to investigate. |
| 16:51.22 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mates |
| 16:51.27 | hoxu | blubberdiblub, :) |
| 16:51.28 | Ramattack | :) truthly |
| 16:51.36 | Ramattack | time to go!! |
| 16:51.42 | Ramattack | see you mates!! bye!! |
| 16:51.59 | ricardo | dendrite done |
| 16:52.12 | xand | damian: you mean woody? |
| 16:52.35 | dendrite | ricardo: OK, so hopefully this means you've just cleared the old gnome config. Are there any other files you noticed when you found .gnome2, that look like they might contain gnome config info? |
| 16:52.35 | damian | xand: yeah |
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| 16:53.00 | xand | !woody->etch |
| 16:53.00 | dpkg | somebody said woody->etch was first ask me about woody->sarge, then sarge->etch ; you must not try to skip sarge. skipping releases is not supported by debian. |
| 16:53.07 | BUH | hi all, need help with bonding two NICs into one bond0... |
| 16:53.08 | ricardo | no that the only gnome named file |
| 16:53.11 | xand | damian: as in two versions old? you're sure it's not sarge? |
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| 16:53.28 | dendrite | ricardo: OK, then the thing to try is to CTRL+ALT+F7, and login as your regular user. |
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| 16:54.04 | ricardo | dendrite holy shi· i have my menus back |
| 16:54.12 | damian | xand: yes, i'm sure, it isn't sarge |
| 16:54.24 | dendrite | ricardo: OK, now go back to the screen with the root login, CTRL+ALT+F2, I think. |
| 16:54.36 | xand | damian: in that case, see dpkg's advice... you'll have to upgrade to sarge first |
| 16:54.42 | ricardo | ok |
| 16:54.43 | dendrite | ricardo: And run "userdel -r test" to get rid of that test account, if you want to. |
| 16:54.45 | xand | damian: sounds painful |
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| 16:54.56 | damian | xand: OK |
| 16:55.03 | dendrite | ricardo: Or, if you want to keep that account around, just be sure it has a very good password. |
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| 16:55.19 | BUH | i've installed package ifenslave, setup /etc/network/interfaces, and /etc/modprobe.d/arch/i386 - no result |
| 16:55.20 | damian | i'm must go out |
| 16:55.26 | damian | bye |
| 16:55.26 | damian | thanks |
| 16:55.27 | ricardo | dendrite ok ive had to log in as root again |
| 16:55.45 | dendrite | ricardo: OK. Remember to be very careful when logged in as root. |
| 16:56.17 | dendrite | ricardo: Careful to the point of not being willing to run any command without having read the man page for it first. |
| 16:56.35 | blubberdiblub | BUH: can you use the two NICs normally without bonding? |
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| 16:56.44 | ricardo | dendrite ok |
| 16:57.16 | ricardo | so am i all set . is my menus back for good |
| 16:57.21 | dendrite | ricardo: So, after you're sure that userdel will do what you want, then run "userdel -r test" |
| 16:57.40 | dendrite | ricardo: Well, we don't know what ate your menus, so that's hard to say. |
| 16:57.49 | hoxu | a grue |
| 16:57.55 | BUH | blubberdiblub, yep. |
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| 16:58.01 | dendrite | ricardo: Maybe you did something, or installed something that ate them. |
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| 16:58.16 | dendrite | ricardo: Perhaps hoxu is right, a grue could have eaten your menus. |
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| 16:58.47 | ricardo | dendrite ok ive deleted my test account |
| 16:58.49 | dendrite | ricardo: Did you remove the test account? |
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| 16:59.01 | dendrite | ricardo: OK, logout of the root account. |
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| 16:59.07 | blubberdiblub | BUH: and the bonding module can be modprobe'd normally, too? is it in "lsmod | grep bonding" ? |
| 16:59.19 | dendrite | ricardo: and CTRL+ALT+F3, and logout of that other text login, for your regular account. |
| 16:59.25 | ricardo | dendrite im not sure how to do that |
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| 16:59.33 | dendrite | ricardo: CTRL+ALT+F3 |
| 16:59.45 | dendrite | ricardo: Oh, to logout, type "logout" |
| 17:00.00 | BUH | blubberdiblub, no, after rebooting bonding module is not loaded. but it loaded well by hands |
| 17:00.02 | dendrite | ricardo: "logout" for both the root and the regular user terminal logins, on F2 and F3. |
| 17:00.36 | blubberdiblub | BUH: that's fine for the moment. what module parameters are you using the bonding module? |
| 17:00.42 | ricardo | ok im in the regular account terminal |
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| 17:00.57 | dendrite | ricardo: Terminal as in the text mode, at F3? |
| 17:01.03 | blubberdiblub | BUH: +for |
| 17:01.14 | ricardo | dendrite yes |
| 17:01.22 | BUH | blubberdiblub, options bonding mode=1 (or something else) miimon=100 downdelay=200 updelay=200 |
| 17:01.30 | dendrite | ricardo: At this point all we're doing is cleaning up unsecured logins. |
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| 17:01.36 | dendrite | ricardo: "logout" |
| 17:01.50 | dendrite | ricardo: Then do the same for the root account at F2. |
| 17:02.26 | dendrite | ricardo: This is all optional, I'm just trying to leave you where you started, and not with dangerous root prompts laying around. |
| 17:02.32 | ricardo | dendrite ok ive dont that at f2 and f3 |
| 17:02.33 | helo | where do i get the intel 3945abg wireless driver? |
| 17:02.48 | ricardo | denfrite i have a login screen at both |
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| 17:02.49 | dendrite | ricardo: OK, ALT+F7 to get back to gnome, and you're done. |
| 17:02.56 | blubberdiblub | BUH: i suggest trying with arp_interval and arp_ip_target instead of miimon, but if you don't like arp requests, try use_carrier=0 in addition when using miimon |
| 17:03.51 | ricardo | ok im in my reg account and have the menus back although im missing the icons that i had there before |
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| 17:04.08 | ricardo | but that can be easly fixed i guess |
| 17:04.22 | dendrite | ricardo: Odds are the icons you had there before are things you customized. |
| 17:04.28 | blubberdiblub | BUH: as many NIC modules don't support the netif_carrier_ok interface ... and make sure you have a way to see all kernel messages (if in doubt, "dmesg") to see what bonding says when modprobe'd and when the cables are connected, etc. |
| 17:04.36 | BUH | blubberdiblub, on the other side, switch, it used LinkSys srw2024 with 2 aggregated ports |
| 17:04.42 | dendrite | ricardo: That is, at the very beginning, I asked you if you were willing to lose all your customization, and this is why. |
| 17:04.49 | ricardo | dendrite yeah its not too painfull |
| 17:04.55 | zicho | How can I be be certain that a CD is empty? Is there any way to check? |
| 17:05.11 | dendrite | ricardo: The real question, which we may never know, is what caused the issue. |
| 17:06.03 | ricardo | it was ok last night . i havent installed anything since then |
| 17:06.07 | BUH | blubberdiblub, ok, going to try |
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| 17:06.39 | ricardo | dendrite id love to be able to tell too |
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| 17:07.08 | fairway | debian runs on mac powerbook? |
| 17:07.14 | dendrite | ricardo: Well, you have the old config, at ~/_.gnome2 -- So you can copy that and do forensics. :-) |
| 17:07.21 | dendrite | fairway: yes. |
| 17:07.32 | ricardo | dendrite but its working again :) thanks that went very smoothly |
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| 17:07.40 | dendrite | ricardo: You're welcome. |
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| 17:11.21 | |DuReX| | hii, i'm trying to compile a new kernel, but it keeps stopping with weird errors i've never seen |
| 17:11.21 | |DuReX| | {standard input}: Assembler messages: |
| 17:11.22 | |DuReX| | {standard input}:1356: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `call' |
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| 17:12.51 | dendrite | |DuReX|: Does it stop at the same place each time you try? |
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| 17:13.07 | dendrite | |DuReX|: And, have you previously built kernels, such that you know it should work? |
| 17:13.12 | dergraf_ | Hi |
| 17:13.41 | |DuReX| | yes i have previously built kernels ... :s |
| 17:13.48 | |DuReX| | and it stops at different file every tie |
| 17:13.50 | |DuReX| | time* |
| 17:13.51 | |DuReX| | :s |
| 17:14.05 | dendrite | |DuReX|: OK, that's a classic symptom of heat issues, or hardware issues, at least. |
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| 17:14.40 | dergraf_ | I have my saslauthd configured to use the rimap mechanism. It works fine, but I wonder what mechanisms are supported with that. Can I use any mechanisms my IMAP server supports? |
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| 17:15.07 | dendrite | |DuReX|: Though SIGSEGV is more common for cpu heat issues... |
| 17:15.11 | zicho | How can I be be certain that a CD is empty? Is there any way to check? |
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| 17:15.18 | D4N` | that's a secret |
| 17:15.20 | dendrite | zicho: Microwave it. |
| 17:15.28 | dendrite | zicho: Then sand off all the flakes. |
| 17:15.36 | dendrite | zicho: Then burn the remains. |
| 17:15.40 | Wyzard | zicho: You mean checking whether you can burn on it? |
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| 17:15.43 | zicho | seriously. |
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| 17:15.47 | Wyzard | zicho: or destroying it for security/privacy reasons? |
| 17:16.00 | |DuReX| | dendrite: oh ok :) prolly heat then, crap cooled box |
| 17:16.01 | |DuReX| | :P |
| 17:16.14 | dendrite | zicho: I am being serious. Only way to be sure a media is empty is to destroy it. |
| 17:16.20 | Wyzard | zicho: The "cdir" program will report no_disc for a blank CD |
| 17:16.33 | Wyzard | zicho: though it'll also report no_disc for a DVD, even one with data |
| 17:16.46 | zicho | okay, thank you |
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| 17:17.06 | Wyzard | zicho: wodim probably has some sort of "get disc info" option, too |
| 17:17.13 | zicho | where can i get the "cdir"-program? |
| 17:17.32 | dendrite | zicho: apt-cache search cdir |
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| 17:18.30 | dannys | how to conect me pocket pc on debian ? |
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| 17:18.35 | Wyzard | zicho: cdtool package |
| 17:19.16 | dannys | i install the SynCE but i can't see my pocket pc |
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| 17:19.48 | null1 | Hello, I use spamassassin with postfix with virtual users, but if I run spamassassin as main 'virtual user' usually vmail, then only works for that user as global, how can I put custom 'users' rules for spamassassin? I was fixed the maildrop situation using include $path/virtualuser on main config, it is possible to use somthing similar with spamassassin? yes, it is not a debian question, but maybe someone can help me :) |
| 17:20.06 | rafuch0 | what is the name of c# compiler in debian, the pakage name? |
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| 17:21.01 | stew | rafuch0: "apt-cache search c\# compiler" |
| 17:21.37 | Wyzard | rafuch0: mono-mcs |
| 17:21.55 | zicho | Wyzard: Ty. |
| 17:21.57 | Wyzard | rafuch0: but you probably want to install mono-devel |
| 17:22.05 | rafuch0 | i did |
| 17:22.11 | zicho | Is there anyway to be certain if it is DVD or a CD by looking at the disc? |
| 17:22.23 | Wyzard | zicho: Physically looking at it? |
| 17:22.29 | rafuch0 | but when i run the configure its says that i dont have the c# compiler |
| 17:22.42 | rafuch0 | mono-mcs - Mono C# compiler |
| 17:22.46 | Greyscale_ | !java oneliner |
| 17:22.57 | Greyscale_ | ff, does anyone have a java oneliner? |
| 17:22.58 | rafuch0 | configure: error: No C# compiler found |
| 17:22.59 | Greyscale_ | !java one liner |
| 17:23.04 | Greyscale_ | !java one-liner |
| 17:23.06 | Greyscale_ | !java |
| 17:23.06 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 17:23.07 | zicho | Wyzard: yes. There are no labels on the disc. |
| 17:23.14 | Greyscale_ | !install java |
| 17:23.15 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre from non-free if you're using etch/etch-backports/lenny/sid or ask me about <java-package>. |
| 17:23.18 | stew | Greyscale_: please /msg the bot |
| 17:23.29 | Greyscale_ | !tell stew about feh |
| 17:23.36 | stew | Greyscale_: stop |
| 17:23.39 | Greyscale_ | :P |
| 17:23.41 | Wyzard | zicho: Not that I know of, if it isn't printed somewhere on it |
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| 17:24.10 | zicho | is there anyway to check it from debian then? Info about the disc in the CD Drive? |
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| 17:24.54 | stew | wtf |
| 17:25.23 | Wyzard | zicho: The dvd+rw-mediainfo program (dvd+rw-tools package) provides info about a recordable DVD in the drive |
| 17:25.37 | Wyzard | zicho: and for a recordable CD it gives a message about "non-DVD media" instead |
| 17:25.50 | xand | dvds are usually purple, cds green |
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| 17:26.11 | Wyzard | xand: but rewritable CDs and DVDs are all gray |
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| 17:26.57 | Wyzard | Color is a good point, though, for non-rewritable media |
| 17:27.02 | zicho | When i try to create Audio CDs it says that I need to put in an empty CD. |
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| 17:27.54 | Wyzard | zicho: and you have a disc but you're not sure whether it's a CD or DVD, nor whether it's burned already? |
| 17:28.48 | zicho | I have tried with different discs... same error. |
| 17:28.54 | Wyzard | zicho: You can often tell whether a disc is burned or not by looking at it... you can see the boundary between the recorded and non-recorded areas |
| 17:29.08 | zicho | And when i look at them It doesnt look like that there is anything burned on them |
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| 17:29.17 | Sponzor | how to add disk to www |
| 17:29.18 | Sponzor | ? |
| 17:29.37 | Sponzor | that you can go localhost/scsi-hd |
| 17:29.37 | zicho | Perahps its DVDs. Or perhaps there is something wrong with my computers audio CD creation. |
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| 17:30.00 | xand | hmm, how can I stop the contents of ~/.forward from appearing in finger's output? |
| 17:30.05 | Wyzard | Sponzor: sounds like you're talking about iSCSI |
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| 17:30.46 | Sponzor | i have a skazi disk. i want to add it to /www that ppl can google it :P |
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| 17:31.32 | Wyzard | Sponzor: iSCSI isn't for publishing files on the Internet, it's for creating SANs |
| 17:31.46 | xand | Sponzor: mount it in a subdirectory of /www |
| 17:31.53 | xand | or do you mean /var/www? |
| 17:32.02 | Sponzor | nono yust /www |
| 17:32.05 | Sponzor | mount is a good idea |
| 17:32.07 | Sponzor | tnx:) |
| 17:32.10 | Wyzard | Sponzor: Why /www ? |
| 17:32.20 | Wyzard | Sponzor: /var/www is the default place where Apache looks |
| 17:32.29 | Sponzor | i have in /www |
| 17:32.34 | Sponzor | i reinstalled apache |
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| 17:37.33 | sine_ | exit |
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| 17:40.48 | Sponzor | ok how to add only one folder in /www ? |
| 17:40.59 | Sponzor | the hole disk works. how about only one file? |
| 17:41.05 | Sponzor | folder i mean |
| 17:41.41 | blubberdiblub | mount it somewhere else and then use mount --bind to mount only a part of it under /www |
| 17:42.14 | blubberdiblub | or forget about the mount --bind and use symlinks |
| 17:42.21 | Sponzor | i did mount --bind |
| 17:42.22 | Sponzor | :P |
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| 17:43.06 | blubberdiblub | well, then you already have the functionality. no need to ask |
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| 17:49.40 | reiser2 | hi |
| 17:49.59 | reiser2 | what command in IRC can i use to know if a channel exist? |
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| 17:52.14 | L0cKn | reiser2: or you join that channel, or /msg chanserv info #nameofthechannel |
| 17:54.11 | helo | T2300 Core? |
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| 17:56.39 | Christoph_vW | one problem left... I always have to enable one NIC manually |
| 17:56.52 | Christoph_vW | with ifconfig eth3 up |
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| 17:57.43 | helo | i'm compiling something (ieee80211) that requires /lib/modules/2.6.18-4/build to exist... how can i create it? |
| 17:57.56 | Christoph_vW | I already added eth3 to network/interfaces but it doesn't seem to work |
| 17:58.27 | wols_ | Christoph_vW: ifup eth3 |
| 17:58.30 | wols_ | what does that say? |
| 17:58.31 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: Did you include an "auto eth3" line? |
| 17:58.39 | gustavo | could anyone give me a invitation to demonoid? XD |
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| 17:59.11 | stew | helo: you need "linux-headers-$(uname -r)" however i'm not sure if it is still available for -4 |
| 17:59.15 | hark | helo: why would you want to compile ieee80211? it's already there is the kernel. |
| 17:59.26 | Christoph_vW | http://rafb.net/p/ztG03X60.html - but I already set it to up with ifconfig before |
| 17:59.56 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: "ifconfig eth3 up" doesn't configure it with an IP address |
| 18:00.02 | Christoph_vW | I know |
| 18:00.08 | Christoph_vW | but dhclient eth3 does |
| 18:00.09 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: "ifup eth3" does the ifconfig thing, and also runs the DHCP client |
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| 18:00.20 | helo | hark: im trying to get my intel wireless 3945abg on this laptop to work |
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| 18:00.49 | hark | helo: /msg dpkg ipw3945 |
| 18:00.51 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: You don't need to do either of those things manually |
| 18:00.55 | helo | woot! :D |
| 18:01.24 | Christoph_vW | ah - the auto eth3 is missing |
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| 18:01.56 | Christoph_vW | missed it because I set eth2 to static |
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| 18:06.56 | hark | helo: oh, you're running 2.6.18-4. The prebuilt modules are for 2.6.18-5. I'd recommend upgrading your kernel |
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| 18:09.47 | Christoph_vW | now I have two default gateways :/ |
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| 18:12.34 | Zeug | Whenever i try to apt-get install something, it hangs on an install i did a while ago which did not complete, because it could never find the file to download. |
| 18:12.44 | Zeug | is there any way to clear the apt-get install quee? |
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| 18:13.10 | Wyzard | Zeug: apt-get doesn't keep old installation requests in any sort of queue |
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| 18:13.44 | Zeug | Wyzard, well i can't install or uninstall the package it keeps trying to install |
| 18:14.01 | Wyzard | Zeug: Error message? |
| 18:15.04 | Zeug | Wyzard, how do i temporarily set the locale to english? it's on german right now |
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| 18:15.23 | Zeug | something with LC=C? |
| 18:15.28 | Wyzard | Zeug: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, I believe |
| 18:15.32 | Wyzard | or C |
| 18:15.42 | Zeug | yep, that worked |
| 18:15.57 | Zeug | Err http://mirrors.kernel.org etch/main linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12 |
| 18:15.57 | Zeug | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.57 | Zeug | Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.39 80] |
| 18:15.57 | Zeug | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
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| 18:16.00 | Wyzard | (C really just means "untranslated", but most programs have their messages in English natively) |
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| 18:16.10 | Zeug | how much of that did you get? |
| 18:16.25 | phogg | Zeug: you must complete the old installation, one wat or another |
| 18:16.39 | phogg | Zeug: oh, apt-get update for that |
| 18:16.47 | Wyzard | phogg: apt should be trying to install that if he didn't request it |
| 18:16.58 | Zeug | phogg, i did apt-get update with --fix-missing, and it still doesn't work |
| 18:16.59 | phogg | Wyzard: it's still marked as pending install |
| 18:17.07 | Zeug | i requested this install a few days ago |
| 18:17.11 | Wyzard | phogg: apt actually does pending installs now? |
| 18:17.15 | Zeug | but it would never go because it couldnt find the file on the mirror |
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| 18:17.21 | phogg | dpkg -l linux-image-* |
| 18:17.21 | dpkg | No packages found matching linux-image-* |
| 18:17.26 | Wyzard | phogg: I use aptitude these days, but last I checked apt-get didn't do anything like that |
| 18:17.48 | phogg | dpkg: not you! |
| 18:17.48 | Wyzard | Zeug: 2.6.18-4 is unavailable because it's been replaced by 2.6.18-5, btw |
| 18:17.48 | dpkg | not me! |
| 18:18.17 | phogg | Wyzard: it |
| 18:18.24 | phogg | Wyzard: 's all dpkg in the end |
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| 18:19.05 | Zeug | that's weird, apt says linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 is being installed |
| 18:19.18 | Zeug | but tries to fetch the linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 package |
| 18:19.27 | Wyzard | phogg: and dpkg has nothing to do with downloading .deb files from the Internet, so I don't see why it'd have a flag for "need to download this at the next opportunity" |
| 18:19.40 | phogg | Wyzard: no, it doesn't flag that |
| 18:19.54 | Zeug | how can i tell apt to stop trying to install it? |
| 18:20.03 | blubberdiblub | Zeug: have you tried "apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.18-4-686" ? |
| 18:20.09 | phogg | Zeug: telling it to remove the package should work. |
| 18:20.34 | Wyzard | though uninstalling one's kernel before installing the replacement is a bit risky -- if the power goes out, you have no kernel and can't boot |
| 18:20.48 | Zeug | it says "linux-image-2.6-686: Depends: linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 but it is not going to be installed", and then tells me to do apt-get -f install |
| 18:20.52 | Zeug | when i try to remove it |
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| 18:21.09 | Zeug | it's a laptop, so no worry of that |
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| 18:21.23 | Wyzard | Zeug: Tell it to install -5 and remove -4 in the same operation -- that way you don't break that dependency even temporarily |
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| 18:21.57 | phogg | Zeug: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 linux-image-2.6.18-4-686- |
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| 18:22.11 | Wyzard | Zeug: or you could remove the -4 kernel with "dpkg --purge --force-depends" to temporarily break that dependency, and then "apt-get install -f" to install the -5 one to satisfy the dependency again |
| 18:22.17 | DustyDingo | in top where cpuusage is displayed, what does %id means? |
| 18:22.25 | Wyzard | DustyBin: Idle |
| 18:22.29 | DustyDingo | its the only one, which isn't documented on the manpage |
| 18:22.30 | DustyDingo | ah |
| 18:22.34 | DustyDingo | i guessed that |
| 18:22.38 | Wyzard | DustyBin: btw, you might be interested in htop, rather than top |
| 18:22.47 | phogg | htop ftw |
| 18:22.50 | stew | Zeug: don't remove the running kernel |
| 18:22.54 | Wyzard | oops, DustyDingo ^^^ |
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| 18:23.14 | stew | Zeug: just remove linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 18:23.41 | Wyzard | hmm... hang on, it shouldn't be necessary to remove that -4 kernel anyway |
| 18:23.46 | Wyzard | nor linux-image-2.6-686 which depends on it |
| 18:23.51 | Wyzard | Just install the new -5 one |
| 18:24.03 | Wyzard | There's nothing wrong with having -4 still installed |
| 18:24.13 | stew | whatever he is doing, one should never remove the running kernel |
| 18:24.22 | DustyDingo | the governor is ondemand, and its stuck at 1.8GHz |
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| 18:24.52 | phogg | stew: what's the harm if no reboot occurs before it is reinstalled? |
| 18:24.56 | Wyzard | stew: It's a risk, but it can be an acceptable risk if the system isn't a vital one and you know how to fix it if something goes wrong |
| 18:25.17 | Wyzard | phogg: well, removing the package also removes the modules, so you can't modprobe anything until you reboot with the new kernel |
| 18:25.30 | stew | phogg: what's the point? why remove it? |
| 18:25.38 | nico__ | any idea why GParted doesn't let me create a FAT32 on my usb key? (non-linux filesystem types are greyed in the list) |
| 18:25.50 | phogg | Wyzard: how tragic |
| 18:25.52 | DustyDingo | could the problem has todo with suspend to ram? |
| 18:26.04 | phogg | stew: if it helps break out of broken depends it is useful |
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| 18:26.29 | Zeug | i ran apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 and it's doing something right now |
| 18:26.32 | nvz | well that was thrilling.. series of brownouts there |
| 18:26.32 | Zeug | so maybe that fixed it |
| 18:26.36 | Wyzard | Removing the -4 kernel shouldn't be necessary to fix this dependency problem |
| 18:26.45 | phogg | Wyzard: agreed |
| 18:26.46 | AVRS2 | Could someone please try to confirm this bug? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397860 |
| 18:26.51 | stew | phogg: what Wyzard said |
| 18:26.52 | Wyzard | The new linux-image-2.6-686 depends on the -5 kernel so that must be installed, but nothing conflicts with the -4 one |
| 18:26.54 | phogg | my question was theoretical |
| 18:26.57 | nvz | apparently my pc runs on electricity as well as magic smoke |
| 18:26.59 | Zeug | phogg, looks like that fixed my problem, thanks |
| 18:27.23 | hoxu | nvz, all electric devices run on blue smoke - once it comes out they won't work anymore |
| 18:27.41 | nvz | hoxu: I've noticed |
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| 18:27.47 | Wyzard | Zeug: You should reboot now so that you're running your new kernel, and *then* you can remove the -4 one as you don't need it anymore |
| 18:27.53 | Wyzard | Zeug: -5 contains some security fixes |
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| 18:29.05 | Zeug | what are the -n numbers after the kernel versions? are new versions being released much more frequently now than before? |
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| 18:29.43 | Wyzard | Zeug: They're ABI revisions... the number gets bumped anytime a change is made that requires rebuilding modules to work with the new version |
| 18:30.24 | Wyzard | Zeug: analogous to the ABI numbers you see in library names, like libfoo0, libfoo1, etc. |
| 18:31.37 | Zeug | do i need to run grub after every kernel change? |
| 18:31.39 | Zeug | like i did with lilo |
| 18:31.54 | hellop | Is it possible to use a rc.d startup script to cause a program like, "top" to run on the second TTY? |
| 18:32.41 | Wyzard | Zeug: no |
| 18:32.56 | Wyzard | Zeug: The kernel package itself runs update-grub automatically, to add an entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst for the new kernel |
| 18:33.09 | hoxu | hellop, unsecure, but you might want to look at /etc/inittab and man 5 inittab |
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| 18:33.27 | hellop | hoxu, k |
| 18:33.30 | stew | Zeug: just make sure /etc/kernel-img.conf has "update-grub" in a postinst line |
| 18:33.32 | Wyzard | Zeug: and GRUB itself does not need to be reinstalled to the MBR when you install a new kernel (unlike lilo) |
| 18:33.50 | Zeug | so is lilo obsolete? |
| 18:34.00 | Wyzard | For general usage, yes |
| 18:34.09 | Wyzard | There may still be some special cases where it's appropriate |
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| 18:34.10 | Nyle_ | wow |
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| 18:34.14 | blubberdiblub | it's different ;) |
| 18:34.15 | Nyle_ | people in debianppc are very nice |
| 18:34.19 | Nyle_ | i like |
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| 18:34.25 | stew | Zeug: no, it still works in situations when grub cant, like having /boot on lvm/raid |
| 18:34.31 | Nyle_ | hi stew |
| 18:34.33 | hellop | hoxu, what kind of security risks are we talking about? |
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| 18:34.46 | stew | Nyle_: hi |
| 18:34.47 | Wyzard | though it's simpler to just put /boot on a plain partition in that case |
| 18:34.54 | hoxu | hellop, ability to kill processes for example, without providing any login |
| 18:35.19 | hellop | hoxu, oh, well top was bad example, it will be a restricted user account running the one program it can run. |
| 18:35.26 | fairway | is MacOSX similar to Linux bash style? |
| 18:35.30 | hellop | better? |
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| 18:35.51 | Nyle_ | fairway, umm.. this isn't really a place to ask mac questions. I would think at least. |
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| 18:36.34 | Nyle_ | fairway, afaik osx is fully graphical with proabably a console of some sort as it is a bsd kinda kernel, afaik as osx being like bash, hell no. |
| 18:36.43 | h3sp4wn | fairway: they both use bash (Don't understand why macosx switched away from zsh) |
| 18:36.46 | Zeug | anyways, linux works awesome on my IBM Thinkpad T41 |
| 18:36.47 | hoxu | hellop, maybe, anyway, you might want to get someone else's opinion on whether inittab is the right way to go about it... |
| 18:36.49 | Zeug | much better than XP |
| 18:36.52 | Nyle_ | i don't use, i have no idea |
| 18:36.55 | nvz | afaik it runs bash |
| 18:36.58 | fairway | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 18:37.06 | Nyle_ | what is so dang special about zsh |
| 18:37.12 | Nyle_ | i hear everyone talking about it |
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| 18:37.29 | nvz | when I do stuff in the console on OSX I don't do it any differently than I do on debian |
| 18:37.30 | fairway | h3sp4wn: I hear macosx runs the most stable bsd fork ever |
| 18:37.43 | Nyle_ | fairway, i have heard that as well |
| 18:37.53 | Nyle_ | I just got done installing OS 9 on my 3400c disk |
| 18:37.57 | Nyle_ | er.. powerbook. |
| 18:38.03 | Nyle_ | now I will install debian on it |
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| 18:38.19 | h3sp4wn | fairway: dunno all the bsd's I have used are rock solid (freebsd / openbsd) |
| 18:38.57 | nvz | to me comparing BSD and MacOS is like comparing apples and bsds heh |
| 18:39.08 | nvz | I was going to say apples and oranges |
| 18:39.19 | Wyzard | apples and devils |
| 18:39.24 | nvz | yeah |
| 18:39.24 | fairway | nvz: I mean from the architecture not usability |
| 18:39.39 | nvz | fairway: neither is comparable |
| 18:40.02 | nvz | it would be easier to compare usability on a specific scope because they share utilities |
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| 18:40.05 | nvz | like openssh |
| 18:40.07 | h3sp4wn | fairway: I would use darwin if I had a mac and it had no decent linux support |
| 18:40.22 | fairway | i dunno why the industry does care so less about osx |
| 18:40.27 | hellop | Question, what is the best way to have a program run on startup on tty2? |
| 18:40.54 | jelly-home | hellop: inittab? |
| 18:41.10 | nvz | fairway: because its new, proprietary, and uh proprietary |
| 18:41.11 | hellop | Do I have to make some cludge to log-in to the getty, tty? Or, what? |
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| 18:42.12 | nvz | fairway: the only one who should care about MacOSX is the people who use it, and the people who develop it Apple Computer Corp.. which btw isn't us |
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| 18:42.29 | nvz | fairway: so if you wanna talk about debian please do.. otherwise take it elsewhere |
| 18:42.29 | hoxu | hellop, I guess it's inittab then, if you want to run something as a specific user you could create a wrapper script for sudo'ing the program as another user as inittab runs them as root afaics |
| 18:42.35 | Wyzard | hellop: You'd edit inittab to run the desired program instead of the getty |
| 18:42.43 | hellop | jelly-home, I think that's only if you want to run a script which doesn't require interaction.. also, inittab doesn't seem to be the solution. |
| 18:42.59 | Wyzard | hellop: I've run bwm that way in the past |
| 18:43.00 | hellop | inittab, runs getty for all the terminals |
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| 18:43.11 | jelly-home | hellop: negative |
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| 18:43.33 | hellop | Wyzard, oh, I though the program had to run "on top" of getty. |
| 18:43.39 | jelly-home | hellop: you can replace getty in the line for tty2 with whatever app you want |
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| 18:44.19 | jelly-home | hellop: I have a shell script on tty12 for example |
| 18:44.22 | nvz | when MacOSX has 18000+ free software packages that are tested and work smoothly on 30+ archs that I can manipulate as easy as I can debian packages then maybe I'll care |
| 18:44.43 | hellop | jelly, ok, how about making the program run as a certain user? |
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| 18:44.53 | jelly-home | nvz: you use all the 18000 packages?! |
| 18:44.55 | hoxu | hellop, see above, wrapper script & sudo is one way |
| 18:44.59 | hellop | k |
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| 18:45.05 | jelly-home | hellop: man su |
| 18:45.19 | hoxu | jelly-home, you mean sudo? :P |
| 18:45.24 | jelly-home | hoxu: no. |
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| 18:46.09 | jelly-home | hoxu: sudo is not installed by default, and not needed when you're already root |
| 18:46.24 | hoxu | jelly-home, ah well, forgot you can use su -c -_- |
| 18:47.00 | jelly-home | hoxu: how would I runs my tomcats if there were no su user -c! |
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| 18:48.02 | hellop | so in inittab: 2:23:respan:/sbin/myapp 38400 tty2... I dunno if it will work since Baud and Term are arguments to getty. |
| 18:48.43 | Wyzard | hellop: baud and term are arguments to getty, not to myapp, so don't pass them when you're running myapp |
| 18:49.08 | FordCortina | if a package appeared in experimental with a higher version than in etch, would apt-get go for the package in experimental? (assuming I had deb lines for both etch and experimental in sources.list) |
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| 18:49.33 | Wyzard | FordCortina: no, experimental's packages are marked specially so apt doesn't use them unless explicitly told to |
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| 18:49.40 | hellop | Wyzard, oh don't? I thought the "tty2" was the specifier for which terminal. |
| 18:50.29 | Wyzard | hellop: It is... you'll probably need to redirect myapp's input/output to /dev/tty2 |
| 18:50.37 | FordCortina | Wyzard: like backports then? I'd have to go apt-get -t experimental package-name, or i'd need a dependency not provided by etch.... |
| 18:50.47 | FordCortina | (missed the install bit) |
| 18:50.51 | Wyzard | FordCortina: right |
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| 18:50.55 | FordCortina | cheers |
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| 18:51.40 | hoxu | Wyzard, so that id in "id:runlevels:action:process" is actually just id, and has nothing to do with the tty? |
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| 18:52.48 | Wyzard | hoxu: It's just a unique ID, with the convention that the tty number is used for things running on ttys |
| 18:52.58 | stiv2k | hey what happened to gnome-settings-daemon? i cant find it anymore |
| 18:53.07 | Wyzard | hoxu: I don't think init automatically does input/output redirection based on the ID number, though I could be wrong |
| 18:53.30 | hellop | Wyzard, all I'm seeing on google for directing a program to another tty, is Perl scripts, with IO::Pty CPAN modules.. |
| 18:53.40 | hoxu | Wyzard/hellop, ok, so is the correct way to go 2:23:respawn:/path/to/mycmd > /dev/tty2 < /dev/tty2 ? |
| 18:53.56 | Wyzard | hoxu: afaik, yes |
| 18:53.59 | hellop | hmm |
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| 18:54.33 | jelly-home | Wyzard, hellop: no need for that, any app just works |
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| 18:55.00 | jelly-home | try putting a /bin/bash instead of getty there, it's not hard |
| 18:55.16 | Wyzard | jelly-home: init does redirect I/O to the TTY corresponding to the ID number? |
| 18:56.00 | jelly-home | Wyzard: redirect? it runs the process with fd0 - fd2 bound to the tty. I guess yes. |
| 18:56.09 | Wyzard | ok, nifty |
| 18:56.17 | jelly-home | how else would it work? |
| 18:56.23 | hoxu | blue smoke? |
| 18:56.57 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Well, getty takes a parameter like "tty1" on its command line, so it could be responsible for opening the appropriate device on its own |
| 18:56.58 | jelly-home | that's for hardware |
| 18:57.08 | jelly-home | Wyzard: yeah well, man getty |
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| 18:58.53 | jelly-home | Wyzard: sorry, man inittab is more useful |
| 19:00.00 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I'm familiar with inittab, but all the manpage says about the special meaning of the ID field is that "Some ancient login accounting programs might expect this, though I can’t think of any." |
| 19:00.14 | hellop | hoxu, with your line, I got "Id 2 respawning too fast, disabled for 5 min." |
| 19:00.16 | Wyzard | which implies that the ID field doesn't actually *need* to match the TTY number |
| 19:00.33 | hoxu | hellop, is the file executable? |
| 19:00.39 | hellop | jelly-home, I'll try bash |
| 19:00.42 | jelly-home | hm, lemme check my actual script, I'm talking out of my ass |
| 19:00.43 | hellop | yes |
| 19:00.48 | Wyzard | There's a comment in /etc/inittab which says differently though |
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| 19:01.23 | zorton | for some reason aptitude wants to remove all the packages in my system... |
| 19:01.28 | hoxu | Wyzard, the "MUST be" part? |
| 19:01.39 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 19:01.40 | hoxu | zorton, there's a menu entry for "cancel all pending actions" |
| 19:01.47 | nvz | Wyzard: I'd trust the maintainer over the docs.. I've seen many cases where debian ships with docs that are completly bogus or obsolete |
| 19:01.54 | zorton | hoxu: i'll look into it, thanks |
| 19:02.01 | hoxu | Wyzard, well, someone ought to figure this out and submit a patch for the file or man page I guess... |
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| 19:02.22 | hoxu | nvz, ha well, no one really reads those manpages ;) |
| 19:02.24 | zorton | hoxu: that did it, thanks very much |
| 19:02.38 | zorton | any suggestions on a wallpaper util? |
| 19:02.43 | Guerin | feh |
| 19:02.50 | zorton | wmsetbg is what I typialy use but I dont' feel like installing windowmaker just for it |
| 19:03.17 | nvz | hoxu: I tried filing bugs against samba-doc for shipping with the Oreilly's Using Samba document which seems to have been written by someone on LSD who never seen samba before in their life just making shit up about how it works |
| 19:03.35 | jelly-home | Wyzard: feck, you're right |
| 19:03.57 | nvz | hoxu: went nowhere.. the maintainers didn't want to pull the document or change it |
| 19:04.15 | nvz | even though it contains imaginary usages of samba |
| 19:04.20 | hoxu | nvz, shh, some people still believe submitting bug reports/patches helps... |
| 19:04.25 | Wyzard | I put a bash shell on a tty in my inittab and ran "telinit q" and I'm getting some very strange behavior now |
| 19:04.26 | jelly-home | hellop: I was completely wrong, I have this: 12:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 -n -l /usr/local/sbin/gnj tty12 |
| 19:04.39 | nvz | that not only don't work, but from what I gathered fishing upstream will never work |
| 19:04.45 | Wyzard | It doesn't seem to be running on the TTY implied by the number |
| 19:04.49 | nvz | in any acid flashbac |
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| 19:04.54 | Wyzard | seems more like it's taken over tty1 |
| 19:05.20 | hoxu | Wyzard, oh drats, here I was hoping any private messages sent to you would somehow make it into the root shell :P |
| 19:05.52 | hoxu | jelly-home, heh, the way to go is getty then, thanks :P |
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| 19:06.25 | hellop | jelly-home, yes, /bin/bash was bad |
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| 19:07.41 | hellop | Wyzard, I think we're in the same boat |
| 19:07.58 | hellop | Wyzard, I ssh'd in to fix it. |
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| 19:08.14 | hellop | We should demand out money back from jelly-home |
| 19:08.24 | hellop | our |
| 19:08.26 | Wyzard | I also added more getty's on tty7 and tty8, and rebooted, and I'm getting rather strange behavior from GDM |
| 19:08.49 | Wyzard | I can move the mouse but can't type, and trying to switch to any VT (Ctrl-Alt-F1 through Ctrl-Alt-F8) blanks the screen momentarily and then brings me back to GDM |
| 19:09.18 | jelly-home | hellop: probably getty and bash competing for the console :-) |
| 19:09.21 | nvz | Wyzard: don't run it on tty7 |
| 19:09.22 | Wyzard | Isn't GDM supposed to start on the first available TTY, so it should just be running on 9 now rather than 7? |
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| 19:09.51 | Wyzard | nvz: Moving X from tty7 to tty9 was specifically what I wanted to do |
| 19:09.51 | blubberdiblub | well, running top directly from inittab, without getty, but with redirection, works here. i just tried it :) |
| 19:10.13 | blubberdiblub | on tty6 |
| 19:10.32 | nvz | Wyzard: na, lots of programs are poorly coded and don't respect that.. I had 12 ttys running before trying to run KDM on TTY13 and I couldn't do anything anymore.. cause though it was running on tty13, my input was still going to tty7 so I couldn't switch consoles, or login or anything |
| 19:11.10 | hellop | blubberdiblub, mind pasting your inittab line? |
| 19:11.10 | nvz | Wyzard: best thing to do is leave X on 7 to insure everything works right, and run other consoles after it |
| 19:11.28 | nvz | Wyzard: really I see no need for all those consoles... use screen |
| 19:11.49 | Wyzard | nvz: I don't actually need more consoles... I just want X on F9 rather than F7 since that key is easier to find by touch |
| 19:11.53 | blubberdiblub | 6:2345:respawn:/usr/bin/top </dev/tty6 >/dev/tty6 2>&1 |
| 19:11.59 | Guerin | nvz: let me know when you can easily glance at five shells at onece, in screen |
| 19:12.07 | Guerin | nvz: split is pretty cool, but not THAT cool |
| 19:12.14 | nvz | heh |
| 19:12.19 | hellop | blubberdiblub, thanks, what is this part: 2>&1 |
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| 19:12.32 | Wyzard | nvz: and I know I've read somewhere, several years ago, that X defaults to using the first available TTY, so running gettys on tty7 and tty8 should push X back to tty9 |
| 19:12.34 | blubberdiblub | redirecting stderr to the same place as stdout |
| 19:12.40 | blubberdiblub | hellop ^ |
| 19:12.52 | nvz | Wyzard: X does, but the clients don't |
| 19:12.58 | hellop | hmm Thanks bro, I'll try that. Don't taze me! |
| 19:13.22 | Wyzard | nvz: The clients don't talk to a TTY at all... they talk to the X server through a socket |
| 19:13.22 | nvz | Wyzard: I've only noticed it with KDM but I am sure other programs are poorly coded and break this stuff too |
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| 19:13.45 | nvz | Wyzard: not when they are what is starting the server |
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| 19:14.00 | Wyzard | nvz: oh, you mean xinit? |
| 19:14.07 | jelly-home | Wyzard: X does, but various *dms have their own configs. from /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc: ServerVTs=-7 ("VTs to allocate to X-servers.") ... and then ConsoleTTYs=tty1,tty2,tty3,tty4,tty5,tty6 (like wtf( |
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| 19:14.16 | Batcha | Hey, Is anyone alive? |
| 19:14.17 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard: well, yes, my X allocates tty5, since i'm using only 4 ttys for console logins |
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| 19:15.18 | Batcha | Im having trouble with my login, When i booted up, everything looked normal untill it went into the gui login then it just idles on the background loading and the login box never comes up |
| 19:15.24 | Wyzard | aha: FirstVT=7 in /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf |
| 19:15.40 | nvz | whoo hoo |
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| 19:15.49 | blubberdiblub | but i wonder which part in the debian startup allocates tty5 and tty6 in a hardcoded way ... probably the init.d/console* stuff ... *shrug* |
| 19:16.00 | jelly-home | Wyzard: wdm calls X with explicit vtXX option. and so on |
| 19:16.22 | Wyzard | "Automatic VT allocation. Right now only works on Linux. This way we force X to use specific vts. Turn VTAllocation to false if this is causing problems." |
| 19:16.24 | hellop | Maybe the command "openvt" is designed for this. |
| 19:16.32 | Wyzard | Why would forcing specific VTs be considered a feature? |
| 19:16.50 | jelly-home | Wyzard: uh, so that you always have X on tty7? |
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| 19:16.55 | Wyzard | I'd consider the *opposite* behavior (automatically figuring out which VT is appropriate to use) to be a feature |
| 19:16.59 | nvz | Wyzard: seems like a pita to me |
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| 19:17.35 | Wyzard | jelly-home: That should happen by checking and seeing that VTs 1-6 are already in use and 7 is available... not by blindly using 7 regardless of whatever else might be using it already |
| 19:17.36 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I have only 4 gettys but still like X to be on the old memorized alt-f7 :-) |
| 19:17.39 | Batcha | Im having trouble with my login, When i booted up, everything looked normal untill it went into the gui login then it just idles on the background loading and the login box never comes up.. Any ideas? |
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| 19:17.57 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Why'd you remove the other two? |
| 19:18.12 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I never use them. |
| 19:18.28 | blubberdiblub | 4 are sufficient for me as well |
| 19:18.29 | dvs | jelly-home: you never know |
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| 19:18.37 | nvz | Wyzard: you also have to consider VMs, and other X servers.. at one point many years ago I ran X then had 3 different versions of windows running in tty8-10 in vmware |
| 19:18.39 | Wyzard | jelly-home: No harm in running them anyway... memory usage for additional gettys should be negligible |
| 19:18.41 | blubberdiblub | you can always have screen, or Ctrl-Z or whatever |
| 19:18.46 | hellop | Batcha, what did you change? |
| 19:19.01 | nvz | Wyzard: if you want them to always be in the same place, automatic configuration is less than ideal |
| 19:19.03 | Batcha | Err.. Nothing hellop |
| 19:19.08 | Wyzard | Keep in mind that the code is shared between them; each additional getty only needs memory for its writable variables |
| 19:19.10 | jelly-home | dvs: I have never in 12 years of linux used more than 2-3 vts on a personal machine |
| 19:19.28 | Batcha | in tty1 nothing says its been removed etc |
| 19:19.36 | plushfrog | okay, so i was here earlier... i have no sound on my laptop. its not the volume, its not alsamixer etc..its just not recognizing that i even have a sound device... what is the next step? |
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| 19:20.07 | dvs | !tell plushfrog about alsa one-liner |
| 19:20.22 | nvz | plushfrog: apt-get install alsa-base && alsaconf |
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| 19:20.31 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard: yeah, but what is the use running mingetty, then? |
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| 19:20.45 | jelly-home | Wyzard: the vts are a weird invention anyway |
| 19:21.05 | Wyzard | blubberdiblub: mainly that I don't like seeing a bogus 38400 baud value in my inittab for a virtual console that has nothing to do with a serial port |
| 19:21.14 | plushfrog | alsaconf not found, alsa-base is newest version |
| 19:21.27 | Wyzard | blubberdiblub: mingetty is specifically for VTs and the only argument it takes is the tty name |
| 19:21.35 | Batcha | HRm |
| 19:21.46 | nvz | plushfrog: apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 19:21.48 | dvs | plushfrog: and alsa-utils? |
| 19:21.49 | Batcha | Its still just "loading" on tty7 |
| 19:22.06 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard: yeah, i know that. i was using mingetty until recently, when i switched back to getty. as i couldn't see any great difference in resource usage |
| 19:22.11 | Batcha | Would this be fixable without re-installing? |
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| 19:22.29 | plushfrog | okay, already the newest version |
| 19:22.32 | nvz | !find ^alsaconf$ |
| 19:22.38 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard: and i don't mind the dummy baud at all :) |
| 19:22.49 | Wyzard | blubberdiblub: What motivated you to switch back? |
| 19:23.34 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard: i somehow forgot, sorry *g* |
| 19:23.46 | Wyzard | blubberdiblub: I try to minimize the amount of legacy garbage on my systems, and a made-up meaningless baud value for a VT looks like legacy garbage to me |
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| 19:24.33 | amadeux | How can I tune the performance of my SATA drive? hdparm does not seem to work |
| 19:24.34 | Wyzard | hmm, even if I disable VTAllocation, I still get the weird behavior if tty7 isn't available |
| 19:24.39 | plushfrog | i have alsa-base and alsa-utils. here is what lspci gives me: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 19:24.42 | Wyzard | I guess I'll have to set FirstVT=9 |
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| 19:24.55 | hellop | blubberdiblub, your thing works. Thanks for the help. But, the restart option I think makes it hard to quit top. |
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| 19:25.06 | jelly-home | Wyzard: or reserve 7 for X |
| 19:25.21 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 19:25.31 | HardDisk_WP | i've got a video file with a AC3 sound track |
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| 19:25.32 | hellop | jelly-home, your thing didn't work. But thanks a lot for discussing, and offering suggestions. It helped. |
| 19:25.34 | Wyzard | Moving X to tty9 is specifically what I'm trying to accomplish |
| 19:25.40 | HardDisk_WP | how do I rip out this ac3 track to a mp3 file? |
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| 19:26.00 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard: oh, i found the reason. i like to have as few packages around that i don't need. i can't reasonably get rid of the util-linux package which includes getty, but i can get rid of the mingetty package wehn not using it :) |
| 19:26.01 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: mplayer if it can read it |
| 19:26.11 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: read the manpage.. |
| 19:26.15 | jelly-home | hellop: don't trust random people on irc :-( |
| 19:26.16 | HardDisk_WP | nvz, you mean mencoder? |
| 19:26.23 | Wyzard | ah |
| 19:26.25 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: no, did I say mencoder? |
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| 19:26.31 | hellop | HardDisk_WP may want to check mpg123 or 123mpg |
| 19:26.34 | HardDisk_WP | you said mplayer |
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| 19:26.52 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: wth does mencoder (an encoder) have to do with decoding an audio stream so you can re-encode it? |
| 19:26.57 | blubberdiblub | hellop: but don't forget to insert the su thingy ... you don't want to run it as root, do you? ;) |
| 19:27.07 | jelly-home | nvz: it can do both |
| 19:27.10 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: you will re-encode it with lame or something |
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| 19:27.16 | HardDisk_WP | nvz, i thought always mplayer could only play stuff |
| 19:27.28 | hellop | blubberdiblub, yeah, I should stop doing that. |
| 19:27.29 | Wyzard | amadeux: hdparm should work fine on SATA drives |
| 19:27.30 | HardDisk_WP | never heard about using it for transcoding stuff |
| 19:27.34 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: no it can dump the video to images, and sound to a seperate file |
| 19:27.34 | ltbarcly | is the amd64 what you would use on 64bit intel as well? |
| 19:27.39 | ltbarcly | ia64 is itanium right? |
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| 19:27.44 | Wyzard | ltbarcly: correct |
| 19:27.48 | dvs | ltbarcly: yup |
| 19:27.52 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: I wasn't thinking of transcoding, you asked how to rip out an audio track |
| 19:27.56 | plushfrog | the only distro out of more than TEN that i installed, which will recognize my sound card and use it, is freespire. how is it any different? |
| 19:28.09 | jelly-home | nvz: he did ask how to recode it to mp3 |
| 19:28.09 | xsdg | ltbarcly: ia64 is itanium. amd64 works on EM-64T (intel's copy of AMD's 64-bit/32-bit stuff) |
| 19:28.14 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: there is an option for mplayer to do just that I cant remember if its an -ao iotuib ir what |
| 19:28.16 | HardDisk_WP | nvz, i need also to transcode it from ac3 to MP3 |
| 19:28.24 | Wyzard | and EM-64T has been renamed to "Intel 64" |
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| 19:28.28 | nvz | jelly-home: two different things in my book |
| 19:28.36 | HardDisk_WP | ah, -dumpaudio |
| 19:28.37 | xsdg | Wyzard: thanks |
| 19:28.38 | amadeux | Wyzard: It should? Googling tells me that hdparm does not work for SATA. Only the most basic querying features work. Enabling or disabling 32-bit transfer etc. does not work |
| 19:28.51 | nvz | jelly-home: unless he wants the same movie file with mp3 audio.. seemed to me he just wants the audio |
| 19:29.06 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: thats the one |
| 19:29.14 | xsdg | amadeux: from personal experience, hdparm works with SATA drives (with a sufficiently recent kernel) |
| 19:29.20 | jelly-home | nvz: I has no idea, but "<HardDisk_WP> how do I rip out this ac3 track to a mp3 file?" sure sounds like transcoding :-) |
| 19:29.24 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: then you can take the dump file and do whatever you want with it if thats all you are after is the audio stream |
| 19:29.37 | xsdg | amadeux: actually, I may be lying :o) |
| 19:29.46 | amadeux | xsdg: Hmm. It does not work here. I get the same problems that so many people are describing on the web |
| 19:29.52 | Wyzard | amadeux: hmm, looks like the 16/32 setting doesn't work on my SATA drive, but I suspect that probably just doesn't apply to a SATA drive |
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| 19:30.09 | xsdg | amadeux: ok; my bad; I was thinking of hdtemp (and various other SMART stuff) |
| 19:30.11 | nvz | jelly-home: Idk.. doesn't to me.. transcoding a video file means taking the a/v and making them another format.. he specificially said "rip out" the audio track |
| 19:30.38 | HardDisk_WP | omg |
| 19:30.42 | amadeux | Wyzard: the three most important options, -c, -d and -u does not work in hdparm with sata drives |
| 19:30.47 | nvz | which means you first dump the audio to wav, then encode it |
| 19:30.48 | HardDisk_WP | video file is 1,3G and audio track is 460MB of that |
| 19:30.50 | HardDisk_WP | o_O |
| 19:30.56 | nvz | heh |
| 19:31.02 | HardDisk_WP | nvz, ok, done that and now I have the audio stream |
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| 19:31.18 | HardDisk_WP | what program should I use to convert it to MP3 now? |
| 19:31.19 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: run it through lame, oggenc.. whatever |
| 19:31.28 | HardDisk_WP | they'll eat it? |
| 19:31.29 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 19:31.29 | nvz | if you def want an mp3 you probably want lame |
| 19:31.32 | intr80 | HardDisk_WP : Lame is awesome |
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| 19:31.57 | plushfrog | will i be able to get sound on this laptop? |
| 19:32.12 | amadeux | I can't believe that SATA performance is worse on linux than on windows, with no ability to tune... :( |
| 19:32.13 | dvs | plushfrog: depends if your run "alsaconf" or not. |
| 19:32.13 | Wyzard | amadeux: My guess would be that they're N/A for SATA devices... for PATA they had to be optional features since older devices didn't support them, but that's not true with SATA |
| 19:32.24 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: does "dmesg | grep 8x0" give any output? if not, is there any output from that after "modprobe snd-intel8x0" ? |
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| 19:32.30 | amadeux | Wyzard: maybe |
| 19:32.32 | HardDisk_WP | nvz, can you please look if d-mm.org is down? |
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| 19:32.49 | Wyzard | amadeux: Are you basing "SATA performance is worse on Linux than on Windows" on anything other than those flags you saw in hdparm? |
| 19:32.54 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: I don't know what that is or why I should care |
| 19:33.01 | HardDisk_WP | debian-multimedia |
| 19:33.08 | HardDisk_WP | you dont know that? |
| 19:33.09 | nvz | !info lame etch |
| 19:33.16 | amadeux | Wyzard: no :) |
| 19:33.27 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: thats d-m.o not d-mm.org |
| 19:33.29 | plushfrog | blubberdiblub: dmesg | grep 8x0 does give me output |
| 19:33.54 | HardDisk_WP | nvz, ah k |
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| 19:34.05 | nvz | dpkg you are pissing me off |
| 19:34.06 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, nvz |
| 19:34.28 | nvz | first off, you didn't find alsaconf for me |
| 19:34.33 | nvz | then you told me lame doesnt exist |
| 19:34.45 | dvs | dpkg you are useless! |
| 19:34.45 | dpkg | dvs: I think you lost me on that one |
| 19:34.49 | dvs | see? |
| 19:34.49 | nvz | when I only have a ftp.d.o source and a s.d.o source and I can apt-cache show lame |
| 19:34.50 | amadeux | Will some of you guys give me the results of running "hdparm -tT /dev/sda" on your machines? |
| 19:34.52 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: anything indicating an error? |
| 19:34.59 | plushfrog | blubberdiblub: no |
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| 19:35.02 | amadeux | Maybe you, Wyzard? |
| 19:35.24 | Wyzard | amadeux: Timing cached reads: 6680 MB in 2.00 seconds = 3342.92 MB/sec |
| 19:35.29 | Wyzard | amadeux: Timing buffered disk reads: 222 MB in 3.02 seconds = 73.61 MB/sec |
| 19:35.29 | nvz | !+info lame |
| 19:35.31 | dpkg | Package 'lame' does not exist. |
| 19:35.41 | Havis | !+info nvidia |
| 19:35.42 | nvz | dpkg: I'm done with you... you're useless |
| 19:35.43 | dpkg | Package 'nvidia' does not exist. |
| 19:35.53 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: okay, does "lsmod | grep snd" give a plethora of lines? like snd_ac97_codec, ac97_bus, snd_intel8x0, snd_pcm, snd, etc.? |
| 19:35.54 | Wyzard | amadeux: Seagate ST3750640AS (750GB) |
| 19:35.56 | Havis | !+info nvidia-kernel |
| 19:35.57 | nvz | well nvidia really doesn't exist |
| 19:35.58 | dpkg | Package 'nvidia-kernel' does not exist. |
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| 19:36.03 | amadeux | Wyzard: thanks. Your cached reads are much higher than mine. |
| 19:36.05 | nvz | and neither does that |
| 19:36.11 | Havis | nvz: in testing nope :P |
| 19:36.21 | nvz | nowhere |
| 19:36.28 | plushfrog | blubberdiblub: yes |
| 19:36.32 | nvz | there never were packages called nvidia or nvidia-kernel |
| 19:36.39 | nvz | there is however in debian stable a package called lame |
| 19:36.42 | Wyzard | amadeux: My SATA controller is AHCI (Intel ICH8 chipset, configured in the BIOS for AHCI rather than legacy mode) |
| 19:37.12 | Wyzard | amadeux: AHCI is pretty well-supported in Linux -- NCQ and hotplugging are supported on an AHCI controller |
| 19:37.16 | amadeux | Wyzard: ok, thanks |
| 19:37.27 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: alright, do you have the package alsa-utils installed? try "alsamixer". does it provide you with volume controls for your card? (or maybe it lists a wrong card?) |
| 19:37.30 | HardDisk_WP | nvz, lame stream.dump thompson-bilojednomuhrvatskoj.mp3 produces a garbage file |
| 19:37.32 | plushfrog | yes |
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| 19:37.45 | plushfrog | throws error about there being no devide |
| 19:37.48 | plushfrog | device** |
| 19:37.58 | plushfrog | alsamixer |
| 19:38.30 | blubberdiblub | that is strange ... |
| 19:38.35 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: I see well, what happens when you try play that stream dump with mplayer from the commandline? or run file on it.. see what filetype it is |
| 19:38.36 | dvs | plushfrog: paste the output of "lsmod | grep snd_" to pastebin.ca |
| 19:38.36 | plushfrog | i know |
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| 19:38.47 | HardDisk_WP | marco@debian:/mnt/filme/Originale$ file stream.dump |
| 19:38.47 | HardDisk_WP | stream.dump: ATSC A/52 aka AC-3 aka Dolby Digital stream, 48 kHz,, complete main (CM) 3 front/2 rear, LFE on,, 448 kbit/s reserved Dolby Surround mode |
| 19:38.54 | plushfrog | alrighty, hangon |
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| 19:39.13 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: and you think lame knows how to deal with that? |
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| 19:39.16 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: yeah lame is expecting raw audio |
| 19:39.32 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: as was I.. I thought the option I was thinking of would dump raw audio |
| 19:39.41 | HardDisk_WP | hm |
| 19:39.45 | jelly-home | dump raw data |
| 19:39.49 | plushfrog | here is the output: http://pastehere.com/?thtlno |
| 19:39.55 | nvz | I guess -dumpaudio wasn't what I was thinking of |
| 19:39.56 | Wyzard | amadeux: FWIW, my laptop (SATA 1.5GB/s) gets 978MB/sec cached and 31MB/sec buffered |
| 19:40.17 | Wyzard | amadeux: That's an ICH6 chipset, running in legacy (non-AHCI) mode because the BIOS doesn't include an option to enable AHCI |
| 19:40.57 | dvs | That is strange. Sound should work. Some people have had luck using aumix instead of alsamixer. |
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| 19:41.15 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: the modules look okay to me. i have about the same loaded |
| 19:41.25 | ix | xenon:/usr/src/linux# time make clean bzImage modules modules_install |
| 19:41.25 | amadeux | Wyzard: ok. I don't know what AHCI is or if is enabled here |
| 19:41.34 | ix | errm, wrong channel. |
| 19:41.34 | plushfrog | on another laptop that did this, i had to recompile my kernel...but a guy helped me do it so i dont remember any of it...but it worked |
| 19:41.36 | jelly-home | Wyzard: nice memory bandwidth. I get half that, with an ICH6 machine too. |
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| 19:42.00 | HardDisk_WP | nvz, maybe mplayer thompson-bilojednomuhrvatskoj.avi -ao pcm -novideo |
| 19:42.04 | HardDisk_WP | I try this one now |
| 19:42.13 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: or ask in #mplayer |
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| 19:42.37 | Wyzard | amadeux: AHCI is a hardware interface for SATA controllers -- it's the way the driver talks to the controller |
| 19:42.49 | plushfrog | so is there a way to get debian to recognize my sound card and use it? |
| 19:43.13 | plushfrog | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 19:43.14 | plushfrog | jason@SilverSurfer:~$ |
| 19:43.19 | Wyzard | amadeux: It's an open standard that multiple vendors implement, so a generic AHCI driver can drive any AHCI controller regardless of what company made it |
| 19:43.20 | plushfrog | oops..sorry |
| 19:43.22 | amadeux | Wyzard: OK. How do I find out if I have that on my machine and if it is enabled (not legacy mode)? |
| 19:43.29 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: well, the actual problem tries hard to hide from us ... i'd really like to see what causes it |
| 19:43.32 | amadeux | Wyzard: cool |
| 19:43.39 | Wyzard | amadeux: Do you have an Intel ICH-family chipset on your motherboard? |
| 19:43.40 | dvs | plushfrog: are you part of the audio group? |
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| 19:44.01 | plushfrog | lemme check |
| 19:44.29 | amadeux | Wyzard: no. I am on an Athlon 64 X2 machine |
| 19:45.00 | Wyzard | jelly-home: It's a ThinkPad Z60m, which according to thinkwiki.org uses PC2-4200 |
| 19:45.23 | plushfrog | dvs: yes |
| 19:45.24 | Wyzard | amadeux: OK, so you don't have an Intel ICH SATA controller... but those aren't the only ones which implement AHCI |
| 19:45.34 | dvs | no clue then |
| 19:45.34 | Wyzard | amadeux: Some JMicron and Promise controllers also implement AHCI, I believe |
| 19:46.05 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: that would just play the sound I imagine you'd want to pipe it to lame or redirect it to a file | lame.. blah or > blah |
| 19:46.21 | Wyzard | amadeux: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#ahci |
| 19:46.33 | Wyzard | amadeux: Whatever your SATA controller is, (check with lspci), you can look it up on that page |
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| 19:47.52 | amadeux | Wyzard: nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller (rev f3) |
| 19:48.08 | plushfrog | IF THIS helps: when i installed freespire (the only one out of ten distros that got sound), it uses snd_intel8x0m... could this be why it was able to use my card? |
| 19:48.08 | magyar | hi, is there a reason why copy/paste isn't working in aptitude |
| 19:48.10 | magyar | ? |
| 19:48.38 | Wyzard | amadeux: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#nvidia |
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| 19:48.54 | Wyzard | amadeux: "Note that newer Nvidia chipsets have switched to the AHCI open standard." |
| 19:49.03 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: the *m is the modem part of the sound card, so usually it shouldn't have an influence |
| 19:49.09 | Wyzard | amadeux: so you're probably using either sata_nv or ahci |
| 19:49.10 | plushfrog | ah i see |
| 19:49.36 | amadeux | Wyzard: how can I tell? lsmod or something? or dmesg? |
| 19:49.37 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: i'm running a kernel here which doesn't have the *m module at all |
| 19:49.46 | Wyzard | amadeux: lsmod | grep ahci |
| 19:49.46 | plushfrog | could it have anything to with acpi? |
| 19:49.47 | jelly-home | Wyzard: haha, mine is also a Z60m |
| 19:49.53 | Wyzard | amadeux: lsmod | grep sata |
| 19:50.05 | Wyzard | jelly-home: interesting... and you get lower numbers from hdparm? |
| 19:50.06 | amadeux | Wyzard: no ahci. Only sata_nv |
| 19:50.18 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I only have one dimm. |
| 19:50.26 | Wyzard | amadeux: OK, that's what you have |
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| 19:51.07 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Mine has 1GB, which I think was an upgrade from 512 when I bought it, so maybe I have two... though I haven't physically checked |
| 19:51.11 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: well, acpi is used to arbitrate the resources for the card, if acpi is enabled. but if acpi works otherwise, why should the intel8x0 be an exception? |
| 19:51.48 | plushfrog | well, i read online that some people had the same problem, and it was related to acpi |
| 19:51.55 | plushfrog | just wondering |
| 19:52.00 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I bet you have 2x512 modules. I get 475MB/s with a single piece. Who'd have thought that it could really matter. |
| 19:52.11 | plushfrog | and the fact is, this laptop wont bot a cd unles scpi=off |
| 19:52.14 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: but if you're worried, try "lspci -v | less" and check if the sound card got it's IRQ etc. allocated |
| 19:52.16 | plushfrog | acpi=off** |
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| 19:53.24 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: mine got one IRQ allocated and two IO port ranges, one of size 256 and another one of size 64 |
| 19:53.43 | plushfrog | i dont know what im looking for... they all look the same |
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| 19:53.57 | AbsintheSyringe | does any of you guys by any chance have .deb of this one http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Hibernate%2BSuspend+Button+for+KDE+Shutdown+Dialog?content=47593 |
| 19:54.08 | plushfrog | oh here we are.. |
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| 19:54.16 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: look for Multimedia audio controller and the lines after that |
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| 19:54.48 | plushfrog | it says: capabilities: <access denied> |
| 19:54.59 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: do it as root :) |
| 19:55.18 | Petrov | is that the version 64-bit for intel? ia64 |
| 19:55.32 | Wyzard | Petrov: IA64 is Itanium |
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| 19:55.32 | jelly-home | Petrov: no. amd64 is. |
| 19:55.49 | Wyzard | Petrov: Intel's current 64-bit processors ("em64t" aka "Intel 64") use amd64 |
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| 19:56.27 | Petrov | Index of /debian-cd/4.0_r1/amd64 for a intel cpu? |
| 19:56.31 | Wyzard | jelly-home: btw, assuming you have the Intel GPU rather than the Radeon, vga=874 gets you a 1280x800 framebuffer console, with either vesafb or intelfb |
| 19:56.43 | Wyzard | Petrov: correct |
| 19:56.56 | jelly-home | Wyzard: yeah, I have it set up |
| 19:57.13 | Petrov | Wyzard: thx and can linux works on a ga p35 dq6? |
| 19:57.31 | plushfrog | do you want to see the output for lsmod -v ? |
| 19:57.32 | jelly-home | Wyzard: # defoptions=vga=0x369 ... |
| 19:57.45 | Wyzard | jelly-home: It's 16bpp... 875 specifies 24bpp, but it yields a garbled screen for some reason |
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| 19:58.16 | jelly-home | Wyzard: 873 (0x369) works for me |
| 19:58.22 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I'd put that on the kopt= line... I want a high-res console even when booting in single-user mode |
| 19:58.28 | Wyzard | jelly-home: 873 is 8bpp |
| 19:58.34 | Wyzard | IIRC |
| 19:58.40 | plushfrog | blubberdiblub: do you want to see the output for lsmod -v? |
| 19:58.53 | jelly-home | Wyzard: less bits -> faster fb |
| 19:59.21 | Wyzard | jelly-home: unlikely to make a difference on a modern GPU with fast RAM |
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| 19:59.43 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Just think of the framerates you can get in 3D games in true-color :-) |
| 19:59.53 | jelly-home | Wyzard: it matters. |
| 19:59.55 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: no, but the dmesg part for the 8x0 and the lines after that might be interesting |
| 20:00.25 | plushfrog | dmesg | grep 8x0? |
| 20:00.27 | jelly-home | Wyzard: ... esp since vesafb "acceleration" is a far walk from commercial 3D drivers |
| 20:00.32 | Wyzard | Petrov: Linux works fine on most hardware, but we don't have specs for every motherboard memorized |
| 20:00.41 | Wyzard | jelly-home: true... though I'm using intelfb now |
| 20:01.01 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: that doesn't give the lines after that. use "dmesg | less -p '8x0'" |
| 20:01.05 | Wyzard | jelly-home: and the "mtrr" and "ywrap" options help a lot for vesafb |
| 20:01.05 | Eulex | Petrov, it's more about the chipset of the mobo than the mobo itself |
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| 20:01.32 | jelly-home | Wyzard: me too, but #xorg-devel guys say the code's ugly and doesn't play well with X |
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| 20:01.48 | blubberdiblub | or you could have grep return surrounding lines as well ... |
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| 20:01.55 | Wyzard | jelly-home: works fine for me... I know nvidiafb conflicts with X, but intelfb doesn't |
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| 20:02.29 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I have some weird glitches with the newest xserver-xorg-video-intel, not sure where to point the finger |
| 20:02.51 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I'm running sid and I've had no problems |
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| 20:03.13 | plushfrog | there has to be someway to get sound here... |
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| 20:03.48 | Petrov | Wyzard: oké, thx |
| 20:04.18 | jelly-home | Wyzard: do you use 3D? I use gliv (image viewer) and opengl for mplayer output, it seems to worsen the symptoms. I'm on testing though. |
| 20:04.50 | blubberdiblub | plushfrog: well, yes, it all seems as it is supposed to work :/ |
| 20:05.16 | jelly-home | Wyzard: was surprised to see beryl is almost usable on this crappy card. :-) |
| 20:05.26 | plushfrog | what computer gods have i angered? |
| 20:06.26 | creature | So, I would like to upgrade from etch to testing. How do I do this? |
| 20:06.38 | jelly-home | plushfrog: you have angered BILLY by using a free OS! |
| 20:06.43 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I use a 3D screensaver, and occasionally I'll run something lightweight like Quake 3 |
| 20:07.00 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I installed Compiz a few months ago and tried it out, but I don't use it day-to-day |
| 20:07.03 | plushfrog | jelly-home: o.O |
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| 20:07.51 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I use plain old xv output for mplayer |
| 20:08.47 | jelly-home | Wyzard: xv doesn't do contrast / brightness here for some reason |
| 20:09.11 | jelly-home | Wyzard: it worked at some point in past but stopped |
| 20:09.12 | Guerin | plain-old xv is still the best output |
| 20:09.46 | Guerin | if brightness/contrast don't work it's because the video card driver is crappy |
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| 20:10.39 | Wyzard | jelly-home: The only problem I have with 3D currently is that the "helios" screensaver (from the rss-glx package) pegs the CPU and runs very choppily, as if it's using software rendering, even though it used to run fine, and Quake 3 still runs fine so clearly I have hardware acceleration |
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| 20:11.12 | jelly-home | Wyzard: did you notice that "skyrocket" has sound :-) |
| 20:11.24 | Wyzard | jelly-home: yeah, but I don't like skyrocket |
| 20:12.04 | Wyzard | jelly-home: You might want to experiment with the "Legacy3D" and "AccelMethod" settings in xorg.conf, btw -- see "man intel" |
| 20:12.11 | jelly-home | hmph, helios eats lotta cpu even in a small window |
| 20:12.42 | Wyzard | jelly-home: yeah... but a few months ago it was fairly fluid even fullscreen |
| 20:13.20 | dalias | hey |
| 20:13.33 | dalias | debian's freetype _does_ have the bytecode interpreter enabled for hinting, right? |
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| 20:13.54 | dalias | it appears to; i just want to check as part of a bug report i'm sending to someone (non-debian) |
| 20:14.01 | Wyzard | dalias: I believe so |
| 20:14.11 | jelly-home | Wyzard: hm. it _is_ fluid even when I fullscreen it, just consumes cpu. |
| 20:14.23 | Wyzard | dalias: Text hinting definitely looks better on Debian/Ubuntu than on Fedora/CentOS |
| 20:14.29 | dalias | wyzard, :) |
| 20:14.45 | dalias | well, looks better with bitstream vera/dejavu/msftfonts/etc. |
| 20:14.48 | dalias | i.e. well-hinted fonts |
| 20:15.10 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Well, it uses all available CPU even on my desktop system (Core 2 Duo E6600 with an nVidia 7600) |
| 20:15.13 | dalias | the problem i'm having is that the bytecode hints in some other fonts are making them look like shit :P |
| 20:15.15 | jelly-home | MS has done a very good job with their fonts. |
| 20:15.23 | dalias | (yes, i know how to use fontconfig to disable the hints for them tho :) |
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| 20:15.43 | dalias | is it possible that Windows mostly ignores hints when antialiasing/cleartype are enabled? |
| 20:15.46 | Wyzard | jelly-home: but it's rather choppy on the laptop... I'd estimate 20fps or so |
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| 20:15.52 | dalias | that might explain font authors releasing fonts with ultra-shitty hints |
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| 20:16.02 | dalias | (they wouldnt see how bad the hints look on windows) |
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| 20:16.12 | jduggan | hey all, does anyone here use the rt2500 wireless driver in etch? |
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| 20:16.45 | Wyzard | dalias: wouldn't surprise me... Windows Cleartype definitely has more visible color fringing than the text here on my GNOME desktop |
| 20:16.51 | capiira | hmmm hi anyone know how to show all system users or groups in the shell ? |
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| 20:17.34 | ricky | awk -F: {'print $1'} /etc/passwd |
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| 20:17.46 | ricky | Er, '{ print $1 }' |
| 20:18.10 | ricky | (And /etc/group, if you want) |
| 20:18.17 | stiv2k | anyone here use conky? |
| 20:18.20 | stiv2k | does conky have its own IRC channel |
| 20:18.20 | ricky | (I assume system meant "on the system") |
| 20:18.44 | ricky | stiv2k: http://conky.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:18.50 | capiira | yeah |
| 20:18.55 | stiv2k | ricky: yea but i have a question i want to ask someone |
| 20:19.02 | stiv2k | dont know if they ha ev a #conky here or not |
| 20:19.09 | stiv2k | i guess the ydo |
| 20:19.24 | ricky | stiv2k: I pointed you to their site for a reason- it mentioned #conky. |
| 20:19.25 | capiira | thank you |
| 20:19.27 | jelly-home | ricky: limiting to "system" users / groups would mean adding something like $2 < 200 |
| 20:19.43 | stiv2k | ricky: ah okay sorry im being stupid |
| 20:19.43 | capiira | hmm lot of users and groups by default do we really need them all ? |
| 20:20.15 | jelly-home | capiira: don't delete anything in range 0-100. They don't consume resources anyway. |
| 20:20.50 | intr80 | They're actually good as they provide fine grained access control to your pgorams |
| 20:20.51 | jelly-home | except for entries in passwd or group database |
| 20:20.58 | intr80 | s/pgorams/daemons/ |
| 20:21.09 | capiira | i mean its not kinda insecure have a lot of added users without knowing what they all do ? |
| 20:21.27 | capiira | their limits etc. |
| 20:21.29 | stew | capiira: no |
| 20:21.53 | stew | capiira: if i were to tell you what they all did, do you think it would somehow make your system more secure? |
| 20:22.39 | Guerin | !info libssh2-0 |
| 20:22.52 | Guerin | !info libssh2-0 etch |
| 20:22.58 | capiira | no but feels strange to have lot of groups and users without knowing something about it :D |
| 20:23.04 | ricky | capiira: If you look in their entry in shadow, those accounts cannot log in directly (no password hashes to !! or *). |
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| 20:23.12 | Guerin | !info libssh2-0 lenny |
| 20:23.16 | jelly-home | capiira: uh, read the documentation for your OS. |
| 20:23.17 | dpkg | libssh2-0: (SSH2 client-side library), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.14+20070102-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 164 kB |
| 20:23.21 | Guerin | aha. |
| 20:23.23 | capiira | ah ok |
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| 20:24.28 | stiv2k | ricky: do you use conky? |
| 20:24.31 | jelly-home | capiira: eg. http://ftp.debian.org/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
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| 20:25.11 | capiira | i have a user called festival too :D |
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| 20:26.05 | capiira | and much more than that in the html |
| 20:26.58 | stew | capiira: festival is for running the festival daemon which is a text to speech service, apt-cache show festival |
| 20:27.55 | capiira | ahh ok so few deamons tend to add user and groups |
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| 20:29.15 | jelly-home | capiira: indeed. there is no need for eg. cupsys to be able to read on clamav's files. |
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| 20:29.58 | jduggan | hi all, im having problems with wireless rt2500 driver, iwlist eth1 scan shows my ap, iwconfig shows correct essid joined, correct speed, correct channel, i have given it an ip with ifconfig, but i cant reach any traffic, and also the ap doesnt show the mac addr as a joined client, anyone able to point me in the right direction? |
| 20:29.58 | capiira | then let me del that user i don't have festival installed, never did and never will :D |
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| 20:30.30 | sponzor | i reinstalled apache. and /etc/init.d/apache2 restart wont work anymore? how to restart apache now? |
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| 20:31.32 | capiira | hrrrr gnome castrated the user tool |
| 20:31.51 | reiser2 | ok, i got it |
| 20:31.57 | reiser2 | phpinfo() |
| 20:32.04 | jelly-home | sponzor: have you checked apache's logs and the syntax of the config files? |
| 20:32.55 | Guerin | capiira: YOU MUST NOT CONFIGURE |
| 20:33.12 | Guerin | capiira: the gnome is watching you |
| 20:33.19 | capiira | :) |
| 20:33.38 | sponzor | hmm not a clue |
| 20:33.44 | capiira | i'm a newbie but hey that's really annoying |
| 20:33.58 | Guerin | luckily you have alternatives |
| 20:34.16 | capiira | yeah |
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| 20:35.57 | capiira | i'm on linux since 01.2007 and have chosen gnome because it simply looks nice but hey they removed a feature and don't extended or replaced it |
| 20:36.21 | capiira | strange |
| 20:36.25 | Wyzard | What "user tool" are you talking about? |
| 20:36.29 | Wyzard | The "about me" dialog? |
| 20:36.42 | capiira | nah to show all users and groups |
| 20:36.57 | capiira | they removed the show system users checkbox |
| 20:37.10 | capiira | and castrated the configuration box |
| 20:37.27 | Wyzard | oh, the "users and groups" admin thing |
| 20:37.31 | capiira | yeah |
| 20:37.35 | jeffwheeler | `user-admin` |
| 20:37.42 | Wyzard | I never actually used that anyway |
| 20:38.00 | Wyzard | (not the checkbox, the whole program) |
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| 20:38.26 | Wyzard | GNOME is fine as a user desktop but for system administration it's not so mature |
| 20:38.48 | capiira | i'm a newbie seeing things visually this helps me to learn quicker |
| 20:38.54 | Guerin | and being made less `mature' by the week |
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| 20:39.55 | nico__ | what do you guys think about sysvconfig ? |
| 20:40.14 | valdyn | !sysvconfig |
| 20:40.39 | jeffwheeler | In my opinion, GNOME almost indisputably has less features, but it also looks better -- things just feel more consistent, and all the widgets are cleaner. |
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| 20:41.01 | capiira | i mean its hard for a newbie to find a such command like ( awk -F: '{ print $1 }' /etc/passwd ) out then al the rest to show the user options etc. |
| 20:41.02 | valdyn | nico__: guess that's another tool that messes with symlinks in /etc/rcX.d/, so its trash |
| 20:41.05 | dalias | capiira, not to be too critical, but using a gui session/tools for sys admin is something you should try to get away from |
| 20:41.21 | dalias | jeffwheeler, less features than.... ? |
| 20:41.24 | capiira | simple user tools helps a lot |
| 20:41.28 | jeffwheeler | dalias: KDE |
| 20:41.32 | th0ger | Hi, I want to make a desktop shortcut to a command which needs some input (a password). Is it possible to enter the info in some kind of dialog box or...? (its gnome desktop) |
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| 20:41.39 | nico__ | valdyn, know one that don't "mess" with them? or you just mess with them by hand? :o) |
| 20:41.40 | capiira | nah i don't want to me an administrator |
| 20:41.43 | dalias | *sigh* why does the alternative to gnome always have to be kde :( |
| 20:41.48 | capiira | just an advanced user |
| 20:41.52 | valdyn | nico__: no one needs to mess with them except to fix bugs |
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| 20:41.56 | capiira | *to be |
| 20:42.00 | jeffwheeler | dalias: you use XFCE? |
| 20:42.06 | valdyn | nico__: if you want to disable a service, chmod -x /etc/init.d/whatever |
| 20:42.11 | dalias | no, i don't use any desktop environment |
| 20:42.16 | dalias | i use particular programs that i want/need |
| 20:42.31 | Wyzard | nico__: I tried out sysvconfig once, and then found that it saves all the enable/disable settings in its own private config file somewhere |
| 20:42.33 | dalias | like fire^H^H^H^Hiceweasel, gimp, inkscape, kword, ... |
| 20:42.49 | capiira | :) |
| 20:42.58 | nico__ | valdyn, now that's a idea... never thought of doing it that way :-/ |
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| 20:43.08 | Wyzard | nico__: so if anything ever enables or disables a service through anything *other* than sysvconfig, the state of the rc*.d directores becomes inconsistent with sysvconfig's saved settings |
| 20:43.12 | capiira | sad sad that gtk qt fight |
| 20:43.12 | Wyzard | nico__: I uninstalled it at that point |
| 20:43.27 | dalias | capiira, i'm not particpating in such a fight |
| 20:43.29 | bloodandsoil | Why does it say 248 packages "held back" when upgrading from Etch to Lenny? |
| 20:43.42 | nico__ | Wyzard, i just tried it (disable some services), and nothing happens (they are still running :p) |
| 20:43.54 | dalias | i'm just saying it's dumb to insist on having a whole 'environment' of uniform apps, rather than picking the best app for the job individually for each task |
| 20:43.55 | valdyn | nico__: these symlinks are files 'owned' by debian packages and treated as such, the scripts are normall 'config' files and treated as such |
| 20:43.59 | stew | bloodandsoil: /msg dpkg held back ; i recommend using aptitude to do the upgrade |
| 20:44.02 | nico__ | gonna try valdyn's method |
| 20:44.14 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: "held back" means the new versions depend on something that isn't installed, or conflict with something that is installed |
| 20:44.17 | dalias | if you notice, my list had both gtk and qt apps |
| 20:44.18 | bloodandsoil | stew: I did use aptitude |
| 20:44.27 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: you can disable them this way (i do so), but in order to prevent ugly error messages, you have to fix /etc/init.d/rcS ;) |
| 20:44.38 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: Using "dist-upgrade" rather than "upgrade" will install and remove other packages as necessary to satisfy the new dependencies |
| 20:44.50 | bloodandsoil | Wyzard: Thanks |
| 20:44.51 | capiira | nah nah im not saying you are :) i was just commenting because i'm reading about old gnome kde stuff |
| 20:45.35 | hellop | blubberdiblub, hey.. um in my inittab, like yours, after the /bin/top and before the </dev/tty2, I need some arguments. |
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| 20:45.47 | hellop | It works without args, but always chokes with them. |
| 20:46.02 | jelly-home | !tr |
| 20:46.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
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| 20:46.37 | hellop | Any idea how to add args? I've tried various combo's of quotes, single quotes... |
| 20:46.40 | blubberdiblub | hellop: what kind of args? |
| 20:46.46 | capiira | dalias i just noticed that qt apps don't work so well under gnome, im going to install kde now and check it gtk apps works better in kde |
| 20:47.10 | osmosis | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.20 | capiira | i mean i need gimp inkscape and few other apps |
| 20:47.24 | blubberdiblub | hellop: or rather, what command line do you want to be executed? |
| 20:47.33 | karsten | osmosis: magic sysrq |
| 20:47.44 | karsten | osmosis: Google that or see kernel docs for info. |
| 20:47.44 | dalias | capiira, weird, i wouldn't think it would make a difference unless they're actively trying to break each other :P |
| 20:47.51 | osmosis | karsten: perfect, thanks |
| 20:47.54 | dalias | i use sawfish as my window manager and it works fine with all apps i've tried |
| 20:48.02 | hellop | blubberdiblub: "/usr/sbin/asterisk -vvvvvccccc" |
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| 20:48.33 | nico__ | valdyn, nice method... i'm just wondering why there are some many tools that mess with the links and none that chmods the scripts :-/ |
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| 20:48.39 | capiira | i mean sometimes menu itens disappears and clicks, drag drops don't work as they should |
| 20:48.57 | valdyn | nico__: that's a real messy corner of debian |
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| 20:49.20 | nico__ | valdyn, is it a clean one in other distros? :o) |
| 20:49.21 | Wyzard | nico__: because the symlinks are the preferred way to control system services, and chmodding an init.d script is an ugly hack in comparison |
| 20:49.27 | valdyn | nico__: i dont use any other |
| 20:49.31 | Nyle_ | hey guys |
| 20:49.33 | Nyle_ | * Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect |
| 20:49.35 | Nyle_ | everytime I connect freenode versions |
| 20:49.38 | Nyle_ | why do they do that? |
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| 20:49.59 | blubberdiblub | hellop: and 8:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/asterisk -vvvvvccccc </dev/tty8 >/dev/tty8 2>&1 (or something similar) doesn't work? can't you have asterisk start with /etc/init.d/ scripts? |
| 20:50.02 | osmosis | karsten: uh on, mac book doesnt has a sysrq key |
| 20:50.07 | valdyn | nico__: oh, i know that suse combined with the messy yast used to be a hell lot worse |
| 20:50.11 | SerajewelKS | Nyle_: what difference does it make |
| 20:50.11 | jduggan | Nyle_: probably statistical purposes |
| 20:50.14 | Dave2 | Nyle_, it's not all that uncommon on IRC networks to do that. |
| 20:50.14 | valdyn | nico__: but that is years ago |
| 20:50.17 | stew | Nyle_: read the freenode faq |
| 20:50.18 | nico__ | osmosis, are you using a macbook? |
| 20:50.24 | osmosis | nico__: yah |
| 20:50.28 | nico__ | osmosis, me too |
| 20:50.30 | Nyle_ | stew, so far that was the best reply :) |
| 20:50.35 | sponzor | mount --bind /mnt/skazi/yu /www/lol |
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| 20:50.46 | sponzor | how to add this command that every time that system reboots this will happen? |
| 20:50.56 | sponzor | where to add it |
| 20:51.09 | stew | sponzor: "man fstab" |
| 20:51.20 | nico__ | osmosis, did you manage to find a keymap matching your macbook's keyboard layout? |
| 20:51.42 | hellop | blubberdiblub, can start it there but less desirable, I have a bunch of output going to the console.... |
| 20:51.59 | DustyBin | im in the process of building a small little firewall box, what softwarae would you put on it? at the momement im thinking about m0n0wall, pfsense, smoothwall express |
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| 20:52.19 | Nyle_ | stew, wow, long list of reasons |
| 20:52.23 | blubberdiblub | hellop: you can have it started with /etc/init.d/ scripts and still have output go to any console you like |
| 20:52.31 | hellop | blubberdiblub, so, I'm trying to get it to always start it, in a tty |
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| 20:52.39 | hellop | hmm... |
| 20:53.01 | chlue | Hello. Anyone here using Debian testing with Blender installed? On my system: start Blender. Press 0 from Keypad (Cameraview), wait some seconds and move mouse --> crash. I want to know if its an general problem to file a bugreport. |
| 20:53.05 | hellop | blubberdiblub, but, then... what about the getty on tha console? |
| 20:53.16 | Nyle_ | chlue, check the bts |
| 20:53.23 | blubberdiblub | hellop: tho it might involve editing the /etc/init.d/asterisk script ... but i'm not using asterisk, so i can't tell |
| 20:53.33 | chlue | Nyle_: nothing there |
| 20:53.51 | blubberdiblub | hellop: either put asterisk on a tty where there is no getty, or remove the offending getty line from inittab |
| 20:54.19 | sponzor | noting useful in fstab |
| 20:54.26 | chlue | I allready reinstalled the package and deleted the .blender folder in %home% |
| 20:55.29 | stew | sponzor: you should be adding that to fstab so it would be mounted at boot, bind is a valid option for the options column |
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| 20:56.12 | hellop | blubberdiblub, ok, just run my command but use redirection to send it's I/O to my tty, like in your inittab example? ok I'll play |
| 20:56.19 | hellop | thanks for the help, blubberdiblub |
| 20:56.30 | sponzor | man man fstab. noting is saying about how to add to fstab |
| 20:56.30 | sponzor | :P |
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| 20:56.50 | stew | sponzor: "editor /etc/fstab" |
| 20:56.59 | blubberdiblub | hellop: you're welcome |
| 20:57.00 | jelly-home | sponzor: /spool/postfix /var/spool/postfix none rw,bind 0 0 |
| 20:57.13 | sponzor | ah ok :)) |
| 20:58.08 | sponzor | i thought that it was a "program" |
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| 20:59.08 | jelly-home | sponzor: cat /proc/mounts is insightful |
| 20:59.10 | blubberdiblub | hellop: another idea (a cleaner one, imho) - if you want things that usually get logged onto the console for direct supervision - would be to have the logfile output to the tty. if asterisk is logging through syslog, you can configure your syslog daemon to achieve just that. otherwise tail -f can put arbitrary logfile onto ttys |
| 20:59.28 | AbsintheSyringe | If I'm on testing, how do I install a certain package from a stable, aptitude install stable package-name? |
| 20:59.30 | itchi | Hi, how can i define the modules to load for apache2? dpkg-reconfigure apache2 show nothing up |
| 20:59.57 | jelly-home | sponzor: sorry, ignore my last line. I need coffee. |
| 21:00.02 | spiralvoice | hi, I need to access a remote server on port 80 using a ssh tunnel because that port is blocked in a remote router, but all other ports on that machine have to be untouched by the ssh tunnel, the problem is that I need to access remote:80 on that very url, not localhost:80. how to achieve that? |
| 21:00.11 | stew | itchi: "a2enmod modulename" or "a2dismod modulename" to enable/disable modules |
| 21:00.24 | itchi | stew: Thanks |
| 21:00.24 | sponzor | tnx |
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| 21:00.54 | spiralvoice | so I can not change the IP of that machine to 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts |
| 21:00.55 | E-bola | Are there any utilities to managed multiple debian systems in regards to keeping the system up2date? |
| 21:01.02 | E-bola | like a networked apt-get |
| 21:01.03 | stew | spiralvoice: why can't you? |
| 21:01.17 | spiralvoice | E-bola, maybe cssh, aka clusterssh |
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| 21:01.37 | E-bola | nah not just exewcuting commands remotely |
| 21:01.41 | jelly-home | spiralvoice: don't change, add. "127.0.0.1 remote" to /etc/hosts |
| 21:01.46 | E-bola | like getting an overview of what systems needs what updates etc |
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| 21:01.59 | E-bola | and then with 1 command update system a,b,c but not d etc |
| 21:02.02 | spiralvoice | stew: Because I need to administrate some stuff on port 80 but also use that machine as IMAP/SMTP server |
| 21:02.07 | E-bola | kind of like WSUS for windows, if anybody knows that |
| 21:02.37 | stew | spiralvoice: so tunnel those as well? |
| 21:02.39 | spiralvoice | only port remote:80 should go through the tunnel, but I need to type "remote:80" into my webbrowser |
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| 21:02.50 | Firefishe | If one wanted to use apt-get to install all the development libraries available to debian etch, what would the command be? |
| 21:03.00 | Ramattack | hi |
| 21:03.19 | jelly-home | E-bola: hm. perhaps management tools like cfengine or puppet also have the ability to do upgrades |
| 21:03.27 | spiralvoice | because the mailman software on remote:80/mailman/... uses remote:80 when using its web interface |
| 21:03.33 | E-bola | ya cfengine would be an option |
| 21:03.36 | E-bola | but its a bit too big |
| 21:03.44 | E-bola | i just need something simple to keep alot of debian installs up2date |
| 21:03.45 | stew | Firefishe: which development libraries? |
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| 21:04.24 | jelly-home | E-bola: er... simple != a lot of systems :-) |
| 21:04.31 | E-bola | it can be |
| 21:04.36 | E-bola | WSUS does the job quite easy |
| 21:04.48 | E-bola | and im sure there is something for debian as well, or atleast there should be something for linux |
| 21:04.51 | jelly-home | E-bola: I look forward to seeing your code :-) |
| 21:05.00 | E-bola | i have no intention on coding anything at all |
| 21:05.28 | helo | dpkg: tell me about free wifi |
| 21:05.28 | Ramattack | I'm gonna use lvm snapshots for making consistent backups... but only one important question... is this possible? I mean If I don't stop the services imagine pop and imap services on a machine and do a snapshot of the lv that contains mailboxes that copy would be consistent then? |
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| 21:05.34 | Ramattack | for rsyncing for example |
| 21:05.35 | streuner | helo: /msg dpkg <factoid> work too |
| 21:05.43 | Ramattack | I plan to rsync the snapshot |
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| 21:05.49 | spiralvoice | E-bola, here we have cronjobs which trigger an email send to an admin account when updates are present for that machine, then we use cssh to update them all at once |
| 21:05.53 | Wyzard | Ramattack: You'll get a snapshot that looks as if the machine was abruptly turned off at that point in time |
| 21:06.04 | helo | i wanted to share my query, because i thought there was a good chance he wouldn't know |
| 21:06.08 | Ramattack | so consistent backup then |
| 21:06.11 | Wyzard | Ramattack: Filesystem still mounted (so it needs journal recovery), files possibly in the middle of being modified, etc. |
| 21:06.20 | spiralvoice | E-bola, but we always update all packages at once when updates are present |
| 21:06.26 | streuner | helo: well, it wouldn't ;-) |
| 21:06.31 | E-bola | spiralvoice: isnt that a bit drastic? |
| 21:06.37 | streuner | helo: otherwise the bot would tell something |
| 21:06.46 | E-bola | spiralvoice: there can be many reasons for not updating a package on a specific server |
| 21:06.55 | Ramattack | Wyzard, but that translates on this is a sure method for obtaining consistent backups? |
| 21:07.01 | gonzaloaf | hi, is it necessary to create a keyring in order to use vino-server? |
| 21:07.20 | Ramattack | of course without stopping services... and a live production backup |
| 21:07.23 | tt | I'm thinking of removing the graphic card for my server (I use ssh for all configuration) to lower my power consumtion. Do you think it will make any change? Right now the screen is always off and the cooling on the card is passive. Will it lower it anything? I've got a meter to check the watt output but I would really like someones opinion before I perform the operation. Pros/cons? |
| 21:07.31 | Wyzard | Ramattack: Well, it'll certainly be a backup of that very moment in time |
| 21:07.34 | E-bola | i cant believe nobody coded a network enabled package management system for debian |
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| 21:07.37 | E-bola | its such a normal task |
| 21:07.42 | streuner | helo: there is /msg dpkg listkeys <foo> to search about contents and "listvals" to search in the whole db |
| 21:07.59 | streuner | !listkeys wifi |
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| 21:07.59 | spiralvoice | E-bola, true, we have only few Debian servers, but lots of Debian workstations, updating them is not a problem;-) |
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| 21:08.22 | Ramattack | Wyzard, yep but you know I can't stop my servers and of course need to backup them... would be this a nice method? |
| 21:08.32 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard, Ramattack: well, XFS has a feature to freeze the mount on the filesystem level. the backup would at least be consistent to that abstraction in that case. |
| 21:08.40 | Wyzard | Ramattack: XFS supports a "freeze" operation that makes everything on-disk consistent (as if the filesystem were unmounted) without actually unmounting... anything trying to write to the filesystem will block while frozen |
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| 21:08.51 | Wyzard | Ramattack: so on XFS, you could do a quick freeze, snapshot, unfreeze |
| 21:08.58 | blubberdiblub | exactly |
| 21:09.11 | streuner | helo: another fine solution web-based is dpkg.vireo.org |
| 21:09.28 | Wyzard | Ramattack: That would give you a consistent unmounted-looking filesystem, at least, but it's still from a running system so you could have things like temp files and data files that were in the middle of being edited |
| 21:09.48 | stigrett | @find stigrett |
| 21:10.02 | Ramattack | so using ext3 this could not be secure? |
| 21:10.03 | helo | at least, wouldn't answer my question... i've never used this wireless card before, and am not going to be able to get on the net to figure out what is wrong... what do i need to know to use wireless internet access at a place like panera bread? i can see my interface with iwconfig and iwlist works too... i just have to put a line in interfaces with the right params? |
| 21:10.08 | Wyzard | Ramattack: (and XFS resizing doesn't support shrinking, which limits the usefulness of LVM) |
| 21:10.35 | Wyzard | Ramattack: Well, even without the freeze feature, your backup should still basically work |
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| 21:10.58 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard, Ramattack: well, not necessarily. i start with pretty small partitions in the first place, and add space as needed later on |
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| 21:11.22 | Wyzard | Ramattack: It's a moment-in-time of a running system so restoring a cleanly-bootable system from it might take some manual work, but if you're restoring a backup you're doing manual work anyway |
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| 21:11.46 | Wyzard | Ramattack: and the XFS freeze feature only helps with the filesystem-level inconsistencies, not the application-level ones |
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| 21:12.32 | Ramattack | so then in you're opinion how could be a secure way to copy a unstopable server with ext3 filesystem? |
| 21:12.54 | petemc | rsync |
| 21:12.57 | Ramattack | I though lvm snapshot and later mount it, and rsync from snapshot should be a secure way... |
| 21:13.12 | Wyzard | Ramattack: What exactly do you mean by "secure"? |
| 21:13.20 | Ramattack | the restore to work :) |
| 21:13.22 | blubberdiblub | he probably means "safe" |
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| 21:13.57 | Ramattack | If I backup a web server to restore a web content from a site without problems... |
| 21:13.58 | Ramattack | or... |
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| 21:14.10 | Wyzard | Ramattack: LVM snapshots should be fine for that |
| 21:14.28 | Ramattack | if I backup a mail server and this server breaks to install a new one... and rsync mailboxes for restoring them... |
| 21:14.50 | Ramattack | BUT this backups would be made from a LVM snapshot instead of the live filesystem in production |
| 21:15.14 | NaufraGo | hi.. when I update apt, it says some sources couldn't be verified for some missing public key. can anybdy help me? |
| 21:15.18 | jelly-home | Ramattack: no way to do it safely with ext3. you may have to fsck your snapshot. |
| 21:15.27 | valdyn | NaufraGo: /topic |
| 21:15.43 | Ramattack | why? |
| 21:15.44 | blubberdiblub | Ramattack: well, how good that works depends on how the mail system manages the mail on disk. you don't want mbox style mailboxes in that case |
| 21:15.49 | Wyzard | Ramattack: The filesystem in the snapshot will need journal recovery, which will happen automatically when you mount it, but that's no big deal |
| 21:16.10 | Aleksej__ | good night |
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| 21:16.23 | Ramattack | mail servers are an example... but I have web servers, ftp data centers... |
| 21:16.37 | Wyzard | Ramattack: The main issue is application-level inconsistencies that may exist |
| 21:16.56 | Ramattack | application-level inconsistences? |
| 21:17.04 | Wyzard | Ramattack: like if someone's uploading a file to an FTP server, and the upload isn't finished yet, your backup will only have part of the file |
| 21:17.16 | Ramattack | that's assumable... |
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| 21:17.31 | Ramattack | if you were uploading and wasn't finished... |
| 21:17.33 | NaufraGo | anyway. will apt install apps from warned sources? |
| 21:17.41 | wols_ | NaufraGo: yes |
| 21:17.45 | Wyzard | Ramattack: or if you have an application using a database, and it doesn't protect everything with transactions, you could end up with inconsistent data |
| 21:17.51 | blubberdiblub | Ramattack: well, it all depends on how good your applications in question can deal with the case that your system wasn't correctly shut down ... |
| 21:17.58 | blubberdiblub | well even |
| 21:17.59 | NaufraGo | ok thanks |
| 21:18.01 | Ramattack | databases are always backed up with dump utilities |
| 21:18.05 | Wyzard | Ramattack: Those sort of risks are unavoidable with *any* sort of point-in-time backup |
| 21:18.39 | jelly-home | Ramattack: even a Maildir folder with imapd's indexes is a database |
| 21:18.42 | Wyzard | Ramattack: Dump utilities don't help with application-level atomicity problems |
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| 21:19.07 | Ramattack | imapd indexes?? sorry' |
| 21:19.09 | Ramattack | = |
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| 21:19.20 | Wyzard | Ramattack: i.e. if an application makes related changes in two different tables, and your backup occurs at the instant where one of the changes has been made but the other one hasn't yet |
| 21:19.22 | Ramattack | what do you mean... maildirsize file? |
| 21:19.29 | hellop | BTW, editing inittab to replace getty's with your program is dumb. init.d script with the & at the end to run in background is what U want. |
| 21:19.37 | Wyzard | Ramattack: Databases provide transaction features to avoid that sort of problem, but applications don't always use transactions |
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| 21:20.14 | Ramattack | Wyzard yep but that would be another thing... I mean... |
| 21:20.18 | jelly-home | Ramattack: (decent imapds cache folder data for faster access) |
| 21:20.20 | Ramattack | imagine |
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| 21:20.41 | Ramattack | I have a data center in wich I house customer machines... |
| 21:20.57 | Wyzard | Ramattack: Like I said, that's a risk with any sort of point-in-time backup -- whether it be an LVM snapshot, or running tar over the whole filesystem, or rsync, or whatever |
| 21:20.59 | blubberdiblub | hellop: well, i wouldn't call it dumb. but using init.d scripts is cleaner, imho. but sometimes using inittab can serve certain purposes |
| 21:21.25 | jelly-home | Ramattack: you guarantee the exact same level of data consistency after backup, as if it would be after a power failur. |
| 21:21.44 | Ramattack | for making secure backup of them data this would be a nice method imho what do you think? If later one database is modified later or before.... and app doesn't work... the database restoration... has done properly... |
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| 21:21.59 | Wyzard | Ramattack: jelly-home said what I was about to say... the LVM snapshot will give you exactly what you'd have if you turned off the power at that instant |
| 21:22.43 | jelly-home | Ramattack: the only way to have safe backups would be to have the application support to freeze its state, create a dump, then backup that dump. |
| 21:22.55 | Wyzard | but apps rarely support that |
| 21:23.08 | Ramattack | you mean an app working with a database for example |
| 21:23.40 | jelly-home | Ramattack: that. or a mail storage server (pop3 or imap). or a MTA. |
| 21:23.45 | E-bola | hmmm amazing |
| 21:24.11 | E-bola | it actualy seems there is no programs at all to manadge big installations of debian systems :( |
| 21:24.29 | jelly-home | E-bola: that's why I suggested puppet or cfengine |
| 21:25.13 | Ramattack | so we're always talking about freezing daemon that is writting on the filesystem for although the copies are nicely restorable... the daemon who read that data to be able to read the restored data... am I wrong? |
| 21:25.20 | jelly-home | E-bola: haven't deployed any of those either, just toying with the idea |
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| 21:25.29 | E-bola | i doubt cfengine will help me |
| 21:25.35 | E-bola | im reading up on puppet now |
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| 21:26.44 | blubberdiblub | g'night folks |
| 21:26.54 | jelly-home | E-bola: perhaps maintaining of debian stable is so simple that noone needed anything really complex. ;-) |
| 21:27.17 | Ramattack | so then imagine if you were running an isp how would you backup services not stopable AND in secure way in case of a disaster? |
| 21:27.44 | E-bola | it is simple |
| 21:27.48 | E-bola | but say you got 50 servers |
| 21:27.52 | jelly-home | Ramattack: I just do file-level backups and hope for the best. |
| 21:27.59 | jelly-home | Ramattack: :-) |
| 21:28.06 | E-bola | the "recomended" option would be to login on each of them and do apt-get update, apt-get upgrade |
| 21:28.10 | E-bola | which is a waste of time |
| 21:28.15 | Ramattack | sorry hope for the best? :) sorry for my english |
| 21:28.24 | Tramp | I would have SLAs explaining which backup-service I could provide within reasonable limits. |
| 21:28.34 | stew | E-bola: perhaps look at dsh or clusterssh |
| 21:28.47 | Ramattack | Tramp, that's for us? |
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| 21:28.55 | E-bola | stew: if i understand clusterssh correctly, that simply lets me execute a command on multiple systems?` |
| 21:28.55 | Tramp | Ramattack: sorry. Yes. |
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| 21:29.07 | E-bola | I want something that specificly targets handling the updates of multiple systems |
| 21:29.12 | Ramattack | SLA sorry? |
| 21:29.21 | E-bola | There apear to be a serious lack of a system comparable to WSUS for debian |
| 21:29.26 | Tramp | Ramattack: Service Level Agreements |
| 21:29.26 | E-bola | which i dont quite get.... |
| 21:29.49 | Tramp | Ramattack: I.e. you put in the contract what "backup" exactly means, i.e. what you will provide |
| 21:30.10 | stew | E-bola: what you are looking for doesn't exist |
| 21:30.15 | abrotman | E-bola: you can do automatic updates .. but even on windows that's idiotic |
| 21:30.25 | Tramp | Ramattack: and what the limits are with respect to "unstopable" (...) services, as was explained above |
| 21:30.52 | E-bola | stew: i want a central console command interface (web or ncurses or something) that will list availeble updates for each system |
| 21:30.58 | E-bola | and i want to be able to group systems by type or similar |
| 21:31.09 | E-bola | and then "push" updates to groups of systems or specific systems |
| 21:31.16 | E-bola | once an update have been tested/approved |
| 21:31.27 | Ramattack | so there's no sure way of doing this? |
| 21:31.30 | dalias | you could just patch all of your 'unstoppable' services to avoid writing to disk at particular times |
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| 21:31.38 | Tramp | Ramattack: and, depending on the size of your business and the values of your contracts you may want to talk to a lawyer concerning such SLAs. |
| 21:32.07 | E-bola | abrotman: i dont want it to be automatic, i want it to be possible to centrally test and approve updates, and then apply them on select systems automatically once approved |
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| 21:32.24 | Ramattack | I see... |
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| 21:32.36 | abrotman | E-bola: and who will answer the upgrade questions ? |
| 21:32.40 | abrotman | on each box |
| 21:32.53 | E-bola | abrotman: you decide if a box needs to be upgraded on the central itnerface |
| 21:33.02 | E-bola | say you got a cluster of 20 webservers allmwith similar configs |
| 21:33.13 | Ramattack | jelly-home, Wyzard tiy think is properly use XFS for servers and for my own situation? |
| 21:33.15 | abrotman | i didn't ask that .. but okay |
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| 21:33.18 | E-bola | you then config it int he central interface, that all those servers need updates a,b,c and d |
| 21:33.23 | E-bola | and then they automatically download and install them |
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| 21:33.29 | jelly-home | E-bola: this is where you get to implement one, or pay someone to do it |
| 21:33.37 | E-bola | abrotman: then your question wasnt clear to me... |
| 21:33.56 | E-bola | jelly-home: surely somebody must be handling this in some way... |
| 21:34.13 | E-bola | there must be lots of ppl with alot of debian servers, they need to keep up2date |
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| 21:34.42 | dalias | normally people run _stable_ on mission-critical servers |
| 21:34.52 | dalias | and therefore don't need to update |
| 21:35.16 | gravity | jae: You can just install the one driver |
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| 21:35.29 | E-bola | dalias: but there are updates for stable as well |
| 21:35.29 | gravity | jae: The server just depends on all the drivers by default, but it'll be fine with only one |
| 21:35.45 | jae | Yes, that's what I thought, but it doesn't seem to work |
| 21:35.53 | stew | E-bola: so are you asking for help about how to start implementing this? or what? |
| 21:35.59 | gravity | jae: That's odd. What exactly are you doing? |
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| 21:36.01 | ladydoor | Hi, all. Anybody know how to get an xterm to recognize they Hyper key, or know of a graphical terminal that does (though I'd rather not install anything desktop-environment specific like eterm, gnome-terminal, or kterm)? |
| 21:36.06 | Ramattack | jelly-home, Wyzard what do you think mates? xfs better filesystem? |
| 21:36.13 | jae | I do "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-ati" and it says "these NEW packages will get installed" |
| 21:36.18 | jae | Unstable, of course |
| 21:36.23 | linux_jones | does anyone know why i would be getting all kinds of illegal operations after installing kde |
| 21:36.28 | zinx | ladydoor: what do you want the hyper key to do? |
| 21:36.43 | glguy | what's the best way to get a kernel newer than the 2.6.22.2 one in sid? 2.6.18 from etch doesn't support my video card correctly and 2.6.22 from sid kills my sound (while I know that recent version numbers have worked in other distros) |
| 21:36.44 | E-bola | stew: im asking for help on how to keep large installations up2date in a centralle manadged fashion |
| 21:36.55 | E-bola | stew: im convinced somebody already has a good method |
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| 21:37.02 | gravity | jae: You may want to use aptitude in interactive mode to do it |
| 21:37.10 | gravity | jae: I don't know how to make apt-get itself do it. |
| 21:37.12 | ladydoor | zinx: I use emacs a lot and rather than overwriting too many of the default bindings tend to use it as a prefix key for non-default stuff. |
| 21:37.36 | ladydoor | zinx: This isn't a problem when running emacs in its own X window, of course. |
| 21:37.52 | zinx | ladydoor: i don't think there's any standard escape sequence for the hyper key |
| 21:38.36 | ladydoor | zinx: :-(. Oh well. I guess I'll just stick with the graphical window. Do you know if it's possible on the linux console (i.e., before starting X)? |
| 21:38.44 | jelly-home | Ramattack: no experience with xfs here, sorry |
| 21:38.45 | jae | And too little control, as a corollary |
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| 21:38.52 | gravity | jae: Well, dselect or synaptic then? |
| 21:38.57 | zinx | ladydoor: i do not know |
| 21:39.03 | Ramattack | were you have experience with it? |
| 21:39.12 | jae | aptitude recommends uninstalling beneath-a-steel-sky... why? It won't say... |
| 21:39.15 | zinx | ladydoor: you can test by doing 'cat' then hitting X, alt-X and hyper-X and seeing if they're different |
| 21:39.20 | ladydoor | zinx: Ah, well. Thanks anyway! |
| 21:39.25 | gravity | jae: I don't personally use non-interactive mode for much, so I'm not very good for advice there |
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| 21:39.38 | jae | Sometimes I chose to wait a day or longer for some upgrades, and dependcies rectify themselves in the meantime |
| 21:39.42 | gravity | jae: You can select it and hit 'r' and it'll show you what's suggesting it |
| 21:39.50 | ladydoor | zinx: It just ignores the hyper key...that's what it generally tends to do. |
| 21:40.06 | zinx | ladydoor: yeah, then it's not supported |
| 21:40.48 | gravity | jae: Or if it's causing it to be removed (like beneath-a-steel-sky) you can hit 'd' and find out what it's missing |
| 21:41.08 | ladydoor | zinx: Blah. Oh well. It's so useful to have an extra modifier, it's just weird to me. |
| 21:41.10 | jae | It tells me something about unsatisfied dependencies (beneath-a-steel-sky -> scummvm... why does it them want to remove b-a-s-s?) |
| 21:41.32 | jae | I can just list all the drivers with an "-" appended, that works, but it ugly as f*** |
| 21:41.48 | ladydoor | zinx: Thanks again. |
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| 21:43.10 | Ramattack | Wyzard, you told me ext3 was insecure for live backups? |
| 21:43.47 | dalias | hardly.. |
| 21:44.08 | dalias | seems to me a good backup program can work ok with any filesystem |
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| 21:44.53 | dalias | 1. store file timestamp. 2. read file into memory. 3. read file timestamp again and compare to value from step 1. 4. if different, goto 1. |
| 21:45.03 | dalias | 5. write file to backup media |
| 21:45.05 | shamrock | Is anyone here using Picasa under Debian? |
| 21:45.14 | Guerin | !anyone use Picasa under Debian? |
| 21:45.14 | dpkg | No, no one uses Picasa under Debian, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:45.20 | dalias | lol |
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| 21:45.34 | Wyzard | Ramattack: No, I just said your snapshot will need journal recovery when you mount it, just like if you'd turned off the power |
| 21:45.39 | jae | And new xserver wants to remove fglrx-driver... sweet |
| 21:45.49 | dalias | oh |
| 21:45.50 | shamrock | Yes. Well. Does anyone use the "Blog This" functionaliyt? I get a dialog for gmail login but I can not type into the fields. Does this work for anyone here at all? |
| 21:45.51 | Ramattack | but that's done at mount time isn't it? |
| 21:45.52 | sdubois92 | i installed ndiswrapper-utils, how do i configure my wireless card? |
| 21:45.58 | dalias | snapshotting the device is a very bad way to backup |
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| 21:46.13 | Wyzard | Ramattack: correct, though you can run e2fsck on it before mounting if you want, and that'll recover the journal too |
| 21:46.17 | gravity | jae: That's for a damn good reason. If you need fglrx, don't upgrade until ATI releases an update for it |
| 21:46.23 | dalias | that is definitely bogus except with a filesystem specifically made to handle it |
| 21:46.26 | gravity | jae: That's all ATI's fault |
| 21:46.28 | jelly-home | dalias: the problem was data consistency of the backup |
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| 21:46.41 | Wyzard | jae: The latest xorg in sid uses a new driver ABI that requires video drivers to be recompiled |
| 21:46.43 | Ramattack | journal it's not recovered when mounted? |
| 21:46.43 | themill | glguy: 2.6.21 and 2.6.22 are both in backports.org for etch; else, compile your own the debian way: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 21:46.53 | dalias | snapshotting the partition image will definitely have consistency issues |
| 21:47.00 | jae | gravity: no doubt about that, I'm not happy about having that on my system at all |
| 21:47.01 | Guerin | shamrock: complain to google |
| 21:47.04 | dalias | due to the impossibility of atomically reading the whole thing |
| 21:47.08 | Wyzard | jae: nVidia released their update a few days later, but ATI uses a monthly release schedule for their driver, so you'll have to wait a few more weeks |
| 21:47.09 | Guerin | shamrock: picasa is NOFP. |
| 21:47.21 | glguy | themill: I think that "compile your own" is the way I'll have to go since I don't know that there is a package recent enough to work |
| 21:47.22 | Wyzard | dalias: That's true of any sort of point-in-time backup, though, not just an LVM snapshot |
| 21:47.24 | glguy | thanks |
| 21:47.31 | shamrock | Guerin: I am not "complaining" to anyone. I am asking here if anyone here is using it successfully to start with. It might be an error with my setup. |
| 21:47.39 | dalias | wyzard, nope, a file-based backup does not have consistency errors |
| 21:47.43 | shamrock | NOFP? |
| 21:47.47 | sdubois92 | i installed ndiswrapper-utils, how do i configure my wireless card? |
| 21:47.49 | gravity | It's just as well, xserver 1.4 has some issues we're still working through |
| 21:48.00 | Ramattack | Wyzard, journal it's nor recovered on mount time too? |
| 21:48.06 | themill | jae: you'll be waiting a while then.... |
| 21:48.07 | Wyzard | dalias: Yes it does... this was discussed in the channel earlier |
| 21:48.08 | gravity | jae: Both radeonhd and avivo are in experimental if you want to try them out |
| 21:48.08 | jelly-home | dalias: sure it has, file based backup backups files at different times. |
| 21:48.27 | Guerin | shamrock: presume your setup is fine, since you (and debian) have no control over picasa, it should Just Work. if it doesn't see above. |
| 21:48.34 | shamrock | Alternatively can someone suggest a native program to browse images which allows me to blog them via the blogger API to blogspot? |
| 21:48.39 | Wyzard | dalias: If an app is in the middle of writing to a file when you read the file for your backup, you can get internal inconsistency within the file |
| 21:48.43 | Guerin | shamrock: same goes for all proprietary spyware. |
| 21:48.52 | dalias | wyzard, read the algorithm i described.. |
| 21:48.55 | jae | themill: you know that did release specs? Okay, r500 and up only, but still... (too bad this is a 9600XT in there :P) |
| 21:49.04 | shamrock | Guerin: err, thanks. Now, can anyone offer any real advice on what to use? |
| 21:49.04 | jae | s/that/they/ |
| 21:49.04 | D4N` | sup |
| 21:49.07 | Wyzard | Ramattack: The ext3 driver automatically does journal recovery when necessary, at mount time |
| 21:49.19 | themill | jae: it's a long way from a couple of DVDs full of PDFs to working drivers |
| 21:49.20 | Guerin | shamrock: your second question is much more within the purview of #debian. |
| 21:49.31 | Ramattack | Wyzard, so why should I do esfcsk? |
| 21:49.53 | gravity | The specs aren't complete yet anyway... what we have now is enough to do modesetting and that's it. |
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| 21:49.54 | Wyzard | dalias: What algorithm did you describe? |
| 21:50.09 | dalias | check for modifications after reading the file,and reread if it changed |
| 21:50.11 | gravity | Although I assume the SuSE guys have the full specs |
| 21:50.13 | Ramattack | dalias, what you're saying is for having proper file level backup but you will have the same issue on app level... |
| 21:50.15 | Guerin | Wyzard: i think he's calling his 5-point if-then an algorithm |
| 21:50.17 | Guerin | how cute |
| 21:50.17 | Wyzard | Ramattack: That'd be if you wanted to do the journal recovery prior to mounting the filesystem for some reason |
| 21:50.18 | jae | It's way more than we had in the past, and more than we have for nVidia |
| 21:50.24 | gravity | True |
| 21:51.01 | Ramattack | Wyzard, and why is supposed that to be needed? |
| 21:51.16 | shamrock | So Guerin, do you know of any such apps? |
| 21:51.16 | Wyzard | dalias: and how about if the file is constantly being modified, like a large database that's in active use? |
| 21:51.17 | themill | jae: of course, but the people who are making use of these specs are talking on the 6 month time scale for 2D drivers. |
| 21:51.22 | DocPlatypus | is nVidia freeing *any* of their specs? |
| 21:51.22 | jelly-home | dalias: imagine backing up a Maildir. You've just backed up files in cur/ subdirectory, when the user reads a message and imapd moves it from new/ to cur/. You proceed backing up new/. Voila, your backup won't have that message. |
| 21:51.27 | DustyBin | how do you spoof your own I.P. address? |
| 21:51.30 | Wyzard | Ramattack: I can't think of any reason why you'd need to do that |
| 21:51.39 | Wyzard | Ramattack: just thought I'd mention it for completeness |
| 21:51.48 | Ramattack | Wyzard, thanks mate :) |
| 21:51.49 | themill | DocPlatypus: nvidia said a few weeks back that they were not planning to do so, nor to free their driver. |
| 21:51.54 | jae | DocPlatypus: not that I know of, and I really expect hell to freeze over sooner :) |
| 21:52.02 | DocPlatypus | okay, that settles it. ATi or Intel from now on |
| 21:52.22 | Wyzard | dalias: or how about if an app is making related changes in two files, and you back them up at different times? |
| 21:52.25 | jelly-home | dalias: there's no way around this unless the application itself can freeze the state and offer a frozen version for backup |
| 21:52.46 | ladydoor | themill: Does that mean that there aren't likely to be binary drivers available any longer? |
| 21:52.54 | Ramattack | DustyBin, if you're talking about internet navigation over www using a proxy wwww |
| 21:53.05 | dalias | jelly-home, you apply the same logic to the directory tree as well, but yes it gets more complicated |
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| 21:53.12 | dalias | i still think you can avoid that situation |
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| 21:53.23 | ladydoor | themill: Also, do you know whether there's some company that's *less* bad about that stuff (I'm going to be needing a new computer soon and would like to try to go for the least evil companies for parts I can find |
| 21:53.27 | DustyBin | no, im talking about how to change / mangle packets what leave my box with another I.P. address |
| 21:53.33 | jelly-home | dalias: yes. eventually you get to the point where you have to reread the whole fs. :-) |
| 21:53.38 | themill | ladydoor: ati has promised to keep their non-free driver going for the time being. I don't know for how long though. At least until there is a viable free alternative. |
| 21:53.46 | mikes_ | hello all! is there anyway to see apt history?? for example whate were the last packages which were uninstalled? |
| 21:53.47 | jelly-home | dalias: it jsut doesn't work. |
| 21:53.57 | ladydoor | themill: I actually meant for nvidia :-) |
| 21:54.00 | Ramattack | DustyBin, don't know |
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| 21:54.34 | Wyzard | dalias: It's impossible, in general, for a generic backup tool with no app-specific knowledge to know when an app's data file(s) are in a consistent state and safe for backup |
| 21:54.35 | jae | And of course, it's not very likely (IMO) they'll release r300/400 specs (OTOH, the mobile chips are r400 or so I've read) |
| 21:55.08 | Ramattack | totally true that Wyzard |
| 21:55.33 | DocPlatypus | I remember Intel being a bit more open about their video chip specs |
| 21:55.33 | dalias | if an app is doing ridiculous things that would result in major data loss under a system crash, then yes... |
| 21:55.35 | themill | ladydoor: Intel is seemingly on the less evil end of things in that they release open drivers for their hardware relatively quickly. They don't tend to release specs, however. |
| 21:55.36 | DocPlatypus | but not about wireless |
| 21:55.37 | Wyzard | themill: I think they intend to continue developing it for quite a while... back when they released the specs I read some comments from someone at ATI saying that fglrx would always be the driver for people who need really high performance using all their secret sauce |
| 21:55.42 | dalias | but if apps are behaving sanely, it's not so much of a problem |
| 21:55.53 | ladydoor | themill: Duly noted |
| 21:56.06 | jae | themill: as to timescales... I guess we both know how hard these things are to estimate :) |
| 21:56.11 | jelly-home | dalias: if the apps bahve sanely, then a snapshot of the filesystem will work as well. |
| 21:56.15 | Ramattack | what they mainly ensure you (software like veritas) is that if file is opened it will backup for later restore and to be able to be opened but a text editor... or anything... so the file won't be corrupted but perhaps won't work with the app |
| 21:56.17 | shamrock | can anyone please reocmmend some Linux SW which catalogs images and allows blogging from the catalog? |
| 21:56.17 | Wyzard | dalias: and if the app can survive a system crash, then it can survive an LVM snapshot backup, because the effect is the same |
| 21:56.33 | dalias | wyzard, once the free specs are understood and a free driver is developed, reverse engineering the things they've kept secret will become a lot easier... |
| 21:56.45 | themill | jae: Incredibly hard to guess. I think I'm safe in saying that I shouldn't hold my breath while waiting, however. |
| 21:56.52 | Wyzard | dalias: Of course... and I'm hoping that the free driver eventually catches up to fglrx |
| 21:56.54 | DocPlatypus | is any company going to step up and offer true 100% free software friendly video hardware? |
| 21:57.01 | DocPlatypus | I'd love to buy such a card |
| 21:57.07 | dalias | wyzard, the problem is that there are 2 cases you want to cover |
| 21:57.13 | jelly-home | DocPlatypus: my i915GM on board has free drivers. |
| 21:57.14 | jae | Oh, definitely... I think I can hold my breath for even 5 minutes :) |
| 21:57.15 | shamrock | DocPlatypus: Of course they wont. |
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| 21:57.44 | sdubois92 | how do i upgrade to the latest etch release |
| 21:57.44 | gravity | dalias: Um... intel? |
| 21:57.48 | gravity | DocPlatypus: ^ |
| 21:57.52 | gravity | dalias: Sorry, that was for DocPlatypus |
| 21:58.07 | DocPlatypus | I thought Intel only made onboard video |
| 21:58.14 | abrotman | sdubois92: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade .. |
| 21:58.21 | dalias | wyzard, even if apps make a special effort to have data be recoverable under system crash, users likely will not |
| 21:58.22 | DocPlatypus | i.e. you can't buy just a i915GM on a PCI board |
| 21:58.28 | DocPlatypus | or whatever |
| 21:58.29 | jelly-home | DocPlatypus: it is hardware :-) |
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| 21:58.34 | abrotman | DocPlatypus: rumor is that they are getting back into discrete boards |
| 21:58.44 | DocPlatypus | that'll rock |
| 21:58.52 | Ramattack | sorry dalias ??? users will not what?= |
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| 21:59.07 | DocPlatypus | then I don't necessarily have to buy a Core 2 Duo to get Intel video... rockin' |
| 21:59.22 | dalias | users likely will not do 'secure save' when saving files, either manually or automatically |
| 21:59.34 | jae | *Are* there "laptop video *cards*"? |
| 21:59.34 | jelly-home | dalias: that's a different problem |
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| 21:59.51 | dalias | text editors doing 'secure save' by default are broken because they will break hardlinks and symlinks |
| 21:59.55 | Ramattack | dalias, why not? |
| 22:00.07 | testicule | what is Makeself 2.1.4 |
| 22:00.08 | dalias | and lose extended attributes, etc. |
| 22:00.11 | Firefishe | jae: Sager offers a dual SLi-based card laptop...big thing. |
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| 22:00.38 | testicule | what is Makeself 2.1.4 |
| 22:00.43 | testicule | ? |
| 22:00.47 | Wyzard | dalias: It'd help if the POSIX filesystem APIs were extended to support transaction-like behavior, and for apps to actually use it |
| 22:00.54 | Wyzard | dalias: but that doesn't seem likely to happen anytime soon |
| 22:00.58 | dalias | often there is a desire for the new version of the file to be the same inode |
| 22:01.01 | Firefishe | jae: errr, let me check something on sager's website...I want to make sure I'm not speaking with forked laptop video card tongue ;) |
| 22:01.03 | stew | testicule: apt-cache show makeself |
| 22:01.07 | dalias | not a new one with the same name |
| 22:01.25 | jelly-home | dalias: we have a script that edits config files and takes care of that. |
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| 22:01.47 | jae | What I meant is... isn't most laptops' video hardware on the board (or whatever one should call laptop's mainboard...) |
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| 22:02.16 | shamrock | Firefishe: no they do. |
| 22:02.19 | Firefishe | jae: yes, I want to make sure I was offering correct information..it may just have two video processors |
| 22:02.27 | jelly-home | dalias: but editing in place is prone to lossage, so your wishes are conflicting |
| 22:02.30 | shamrock | jae: yes. |
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| 22:02.34 | Wyzard | jae: That's why people have started saying "GPU" rather than "video card" |
| 22:02.34 | Firefishe | shamrock: removable SLi cards? |
| 22:02.44 | Firefishe | GPU? |
| 22:03.05 | Firefishe | graphics processing unit, I see |
| 22:03.05 | shamrock | Ni, I mean they have SLI video. |
| 22:03.24 | Firefishe | shamrock: I see, k thanks :) |
| 22:03.37 | jae | Even if you get removable (and thus, for some definition of the word, exchangeable) hardware, it will be, in the best case, some micro-PCI (or whatever) thing |
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| 22:03.50 | dalias | jelly-home, indeed, under power loss it is prone to loss |
| 22:03.53 | Ramattack | dalias, sorry but I haven't understand what you wanted to say with users text editors and consistency of backups |
| 22:04.06 | dalias | jelly-home, my point is that it should be possible to avoid that proneness to lossage when performing backups |
| 22:04.15 | jae | In the "worst", it will be something proprietary (overpriced, and pretty quickly end-of-lifed) |
| 22:04.21 | dalias | because power loss is an exceptional conditon that should not happen |
| 22:04.21 | Wyzard | dalias: For that you need a transactional filesystem |
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| 22:04.32 | dalias | backups are a daily condition |
| 22:04.35 | jelly-home | dalias: no. kill -9 can lose data too if you truncate and reuse the inode |
| 22:04.43 | Wyzard | dalias: so you can do multiple writes to your file (or even multiple files) and then commit when you're done |
| 22:04.53 | dalias | hitting your process with kill -9 is also an exceptional condition |
| 22:04.56 | shamrock | Firefishe: but I see it is optinal for the SLI part - so I dont know if its a card or "another chip" option. |
| 22:05.11 | shamrock | Firefishe: see here : http://www.sagernotebook.com/product_customed.php?pid=71&action=customize |
| 22:05.16 | sdubois92 | the wireless card in my laptop works automatically with ubuntu, i dont know how to get it working in debian |
| 22:05.23 | dalias | unless you have a BOFH around |
| 22:05.24 | sdubois92 | i did lspci and i couldnt find it |
| 22:05.30 | jelly-home | dalias: I hate for my files to be lost because of an OOM. |
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| 22:05.53 | dalias | a program that allocates memory or touches previously-untouched memory while saving a file is broken |
| 22:06.04 | jelly-home | dalias: and keeping the same inode is an exceptional request too, so I usually ignore it. |
| 22:06.06 | sinizzl | where is /dev/shm usually mounted? |
| 22:06.22 | dalias | by exceptional i mean "something wrong" |
| 22:06.26 | dalias | not "unusual" |
| 22:06.30 | sinizzl | is it a file on the harddisk or in the ram ? |
| 22:06.40 | dalias | it's in ram |
| 22:06.45 | abrotman | sinizzl: you mean how is it created ? |
| 22:06.48 | dalias | or rather memory |
| 22:06.50 | sinizzl | yeahhh |
| 22:06.53 | dalias | might be swapped |
| 22:06.59 | abrotman | sinizzl: do you need to change the value ? |
| 22:07.07 | dalias | btw does anything actually use /dev/shm? |
| 22:07.09 | jelly-home | dalias: ok, how would _you_ solve the need to keep the inode and not have a timeframe in which your file is not empty? |
| 22:07.16 | abrotman | dalias: you should know the answer |
| 22:07.20 | sinizzl | i read on some page that kqemu uses /dev/shm for virtual ram. and kqemu seems to be running awfully slow on my c2d |
| 22:07.24 | Wyzard | dalias: You don't have to be actively allocating or using new memory to be hit by the OOM killer |
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| 22:07.30 | sinizzl | like, windows xp installation takes about 2 hours or so |
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| 22:07.38 | sinizzl | but kqemu is certainly enabled |
| 22:07.38 | abrotman | two hours to what ? |
| 22:07.39 | dalias | wyzard, if the OOM killer is not misconfigured you do... |
| 22:07.49 | dalias | OOM killer should only kill the process that OOMs |
| 22:07.50 | Wyzard | dalias: Some other process could've used up the last of the RAM, but if you're the biggest process, the kernel will probably hit you |
| 22:07.51 | sinizzl | abrotman: to install windows xp in a virtual machine |
| 22:07.51 | abrotman | sinizzl: are the permissions on kqemu correct? |
| 22:07.57 | sinizzl | abrotman: they are |
| 22:07.59 | abrotman | sinizzl: how fast is the host CPU ? |
| 22:08.00 | jelly-home | dalias: that was just an example |
| 22:08.05 | sinizzl | abrotman: it's a core2duo 2ghz |
| 22:08.07 | abrotman | OOM is for morons |
| 22:08.14 | Wyzard | dalias: My understanding is that the OOM killer is free to choose any process it wants |
| 22:08.18 | dalias | jelly-home, i wouldn't. i'd accept that there's a a window of time in which the file is empty. |
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| 22:08.22 | sinizzl | it's a laptop cpu though |
| 22:08.32 | sdubois92 | i did lspci and i couldnt find it |
| 22:08.32 | dalias | wyzard, i don't know about the current state, but traditionally there were two modes. |
| 22:08.34 | abrotman | sinizzl: you don't get any errors from qemu when you start the install ? |
| 22:08.43 | Ramattack | well mates |
| 22:08.45 | Ramattack | time to go bed |
| 22:08.45 | sinizzl | abrotman: none at all, no complaints about anything |
| 22:08.47 | dalias | one is the insecure mode you describe now |
| 22:08.51 | Ramattack | see you :) |
| 22:09.00 | dalias | the other is the sane approach of killing the program that made the offending allocation |
| 22:09.04 | Ramattack | thanks a lot :) |
| 22:09.06 | abrotman | sinizzl: so you think increasing the value for /dev/shm will help ? |
| 22:09.29 | Wyzard | dalias: If it currently happens to kill the process that actually triggered the OOM, that's an implementation detail, not guaranteed behavior |
| 22:09.32 | sinizzl | abrotman: exactly... but if it gets stored on the harddrive though i expect it to be awfully slow |
| 22:09.46 | abrotman | sinizzl: i believe the file you want is /etc/sysctl.conf .. but i might be wrong |
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| 22:09.55 | Ramattack | only one question Wyzard, dalias what damn are you talking about¿?¿?¿ |
| 22:10.00 | Ramattack | lol |
| 22:10.06 | dalias | what are those boxes? |
| 22:10.06 | jelly-home | hmm, we have a 500MB firefox and a ls that wants to allocate memory. I guess the ls that triggered OOM is at fault. |
| 22:10.13 | abrotman | dalias: your client is broken |
| 22:10.13 | Wyzard | dalias: Another reasonable approach would be to kill the biggest process belonging to the user who triggered the OOM |
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| 22:10.21 | GmLB | Is it safe to stop fsck on a large (multi-terrabyte) volume during operation? Is there any chance of further damaging the volume? It forced running on startup and it's going to take forever since the volume is so huge (ext3)? |
| 22:10.33 | dalias | abrotman, no, ramattack is either writing letters i don't have glyphs for, or more likely using some silly legacy encoding... |
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| 22:10.34 | sinizzl | §mhhh abrotman, in order to in/decrease that value ? |
| 22:10.48 | abrotman | dalias: right .. your client is broken :) |
| 22:11.02 | dalias | how the (#@$ does that make my client broken? |
| 22:11.02 | Wyzard | dalias: I saw upside-down question marks |
| 22:11.08 | abrotman | upside-down question marks aren't exactly hard |
| 22:11.13 | dalias | i can't know what legacy encoding he's using... |
| 22:11.23 | jelly-home | GmLB: look on ext3-users archives for similar issure |
| 22:11.28 | dalias | here is a nice upside-down question mark: ¿ |
| 22:11.29 | abrotman | sinizzl: yes |
| 22:11.37 | abrotman | dalias: and his was also .. your client sucks |
| 22:11.42 | dalias | here is a nice box � |
| 22:11.43 | Ramattack | bye ;p |
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| 22:11.49 | jelly-home | those two ¿ and ¿ look the same to me |
| 22:11.59 | sinizzl | abrotman: thanks for the hint, i will take a look at it ^_^ |
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| 22:12.02 | dalias | abrotman, no, his was presumably latin-1 |
| 22:12.05 | themill | dalias: pick a font that has better unicode support. |
| 22:12.11 | dalias | themill, this is not a font issue |
| 22:12.12 | abrotman | dalias: doesn't change the fact that your client is crap |
| 22:12.13 | dalias | it's an encoding issue |
| 22:12.14 | Wyzard | dalias: What Ramattack wrote and the first character you wrote both looked correct to me |
| 22:12.20 | themill | dalias: it can be both |
| 22:12.22 | dalias | abrotman, and my client is not crap, for the last time! |
| 22:12.28 | Wyzard | dalias: The second character you wrote wasn't understood by my client (xchat) |
| 22:12.29 | dalias | i don't have a fallback encoding selected |
| 22:12.30 | abrotman | sure .. no one else had a problem |
| 22:12.40 | dalias | but if i did, the fallback would be set to something like iso-2022-jp |
| 22:12.42 | abrotman | oh .. maybe the admin is a moron ? |
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| 22:12.54 | dalias | not latin-1 |
| 22:13.07 | dalias | wyzard, probably so |
| 22:13.20 | sdubois92 | i did lspci and i couldnt find it |
| 22:13.22 | sdubois92 | the wireless card in my laptop works automatically with ubuntu, i dont know how to get it working in debian |
| 22:13.39 | dalias | so please take the time to think before throwing insults at me, abrotman... |
| 22:13.40 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 22:13.40 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 22:13.43 | Wyzard | sdubois92: What type of wireless card? |
| 22:13.52 | abrotman | dalias: grow thicker skin |
| 22:13.53 | sdubois92 | i dont know, its built into thelaptop |
| 22:13.57 | sdubois92 | its Wireless G |
| 22:14.02 | Wyzard | sdubois92: then it should definitely show up in lspci |
| 22:14.11 | stew | sdubois92: check lsusb |
| 22:14.17 | abrotman | maybe his pciids are out of date ? |
| 22:14.26 | Wyzard | ah, that's true, it could be USB |
| 22:14.29 | sdubois92 | i found it |
| 22:14.35 | Wyzard | abrotman: It'd still show up as "Network controller: unknown..." |
| 22:14.46 | abrotman | Wyzard: he just said he couldn't find it .. |
| 22:14.49 | vlt | Hello. I have installed Debian Etch in a qemu session. Does anyone know how to login to Etch via qemu's serial console? (via -vnc it works nearly but I don't get some of the keys through to Debian, for ex. the "-" key :/ ) |
| 22:14.50 | dalias | i still wonder how i'm magically supposed to guess what legacy encoding a random person whose nationality i don't know is using.... |
| 22:14.51 | sdubois92 | itsan intel |
| 22:14.53 | Firefishe | sdubois92: If you want to handle the output of lspci a bit better, u can do: lspci | less and you can scroll through the results. |
| 22:15.02 | abrotman | sdubois92: which number ? |
| 22:15.19 | jelly-home | vlt: is the console on serial port enabled? |
| 22:15.26 | sdubois92 | 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04) |
| 22:15.32 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 22:15.33 | dpkg | from memory, ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. It's built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and you need a 2.6 kernel to compile it |
| 22:15.39 | themill | dalias: get over it and move on |
| 22:15.42 | vlt | jelly-home: In the emulated Etch install? |
| 22:15.43 | abrotman | oh .. that's not useful anymore |
| 22:15.44 | stew | that's outdated |
| 22:15.47 | jelly-home | vlt: yes. |
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| 22:16.07 | Marco | is there any debian package that installs a web based proxy? |
| 22:16.27 | vlt | jelly-home: I didn't do anything about it during installation. How can I enable it? |
| 22:16.27 | abrotman | stew: are you going to fix or should i ? |
| 22:16.32 | Wyzard | sdubois92: apt-get install ipw2100-modules-`uname -r` |
| 22:16.57 | Wyzard | sdubois92: Then get the latest firmware from http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/ and put it in /usr/local/lib/firmware |
| 22:17.04 | sdubois92 | do i replace uname with my username? |
| 22:17.13 | stew | sdubois92: no, type that literally |
| 22:17.14 | Wyzard | sdubois92: no, "uname -r" is a command that prints your kernel version string |
| 22:17.18 | stew | abrotman: i'm not |
| 22:17.30 | glguy | I found the firmware-iwlwifi package, but where is the iwlwifi-modules-2.6? |
| 22:17.31 | jelly-home | vlt: it's not by default... to have a console login on the first serial port, uncomment the ttyS0 line near the end of /etc/inittab, then reload init (telinit q) |
| 22:17.38 | Wyzard | sdubois92: and the quotes are backquotes |
| 22:17.45 | stew | hmm, why isn't ipw2100 built into my 2.6.21 kernel? |
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| 22:18.11 | Wyzard | glguy: That'd probably be a virtual package provided by a kernel-specific iwlwifi-modules package (i.e. iwlwifi-modules-2.6.18-5-686) |
| 22:18.15 | sdubois92 | couldnt find package |
| 22:18.18 | sdubois92 | i used backquotes |
| 22:18.23 | Wyzard | glguy: which you would build from iwlwifi-source using module-assistant |
| 22:18.28 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 22:18.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: aptitude install ipw2100-modules-`uname -r` and then get the firmware from http://ipw2100.sf.net/ Also see #ipw2100 |
| 22:18.30 | abrotman | better ? |
| 22:18.31 | Wyzard | sdubois92: Run "uname -r"... what does it say? |
| 22:18.32 | glguy | Wyzard: ok, thanks |
| 22:18.41 | jelly-home | vlt: looks like #T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 22:18.47 | Nyle_ | hi |
| 22:18.49 | sdubois92 | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 22:18.56 | Wyzard | glguy: Note, I know nothing about iwlwifi specifically; that's a generic answer based on my knowledge of how third-party kernel modules are handled in Debian |
| 22:18.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: does the above seem close enough ? |
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| 22:19.13 | Wyzard | abrotman: It should mention where the firmware needs to be installed |
| 22:19.16 | glguy | Wyzard: but helpful nonetheless |
| 22:19.19 | themill | abrotman: is there any advantage of using the ipw2100-modiles-blah package over the in kernel modules these days? |
| 22:19.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: doesn't the website ? |
| 22:19.35 | abrotman | themill: the kernels don't have them in debian AIUI |
| 22:19.37 | Wyzard | abrotman: dunno, and it's technically distro-specific anyway |
| 22:19.38 | vlt | jelly-home: Yes, found it, thanks. |
| 22:19.42 | abrotman | okay |
| 22:19.43 | stew | !find ipw2100.ko etch |
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| 22:19.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ipw2100.ko' (3 of 34): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/contrib/ipw2100/ipw2100.ko) in contrib/admin/ipw2100-modules-2.6.18-5-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7. |
| 22:19.52 | jelly-home | themill: if the ones in kernel work for you, no |
| 22:20.03 | akio | hello |
| 22:20.05 | Wyzard | abrotman: Debian has three directories where it looks for firmware, and /usr/local/lib/firmware would be the one most appropriate for something installed by hand |
| 22:20.07 | themill | jelly-home: ok. thought that might be the case. |
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| 22:20.39 | themill | abrotman: mine does ;) that's why I was wondering. I thought they were pretty much sync'd and not changing these days. |
| 22:20.44 | stew | Wyzard: not if /usr is on a separate partition |
| 22:20.47 | vlt | jelly-home: ... and it works. Thanks again. BTW: What does the "23" stand for? |
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| 22:21.11 | jelly-home | vlt: man inittab. "this line will be used in runlevels 2 and 3" |
| 22:21.13 | sdubois92 | so what do i do? do i need to add a new repo? |
| 22:21.19 | Wyzard | stew: Someone who has /usr NFS-mounted over a wireless link probably knows enough about Debian to realize he shouldn't blindly follow the recipe in the factoid :-) |
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| 22:21.42 | vlt | jelly-home: Ok :) |
| 22:21.50 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 22:21.50 | dpkg | i guess ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: aptitude install ipw2100-modules-`uname -r` and then get the firmware from http://ipw2100.sf.net/ and drop that in /usr/local/lib/firmware/ -- Also see #ipw2100 |
| 22:21.57 | stew | that's still wrong |
| 22:22.07 | Wyzard | s/drop/unpack/ |
| 22:22.22 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I wonders if update-initramfs would pick up the firmware in /usr/local when creating the image |
| 22:22.44 | stew | sdubois92: find out which driver you have by running "/sbin/modinfo ipw2100" then go to ipw2100.sf.net and download the firmware for that driver. install the firmware in /lib/firmware ; then "modprobe ipw2100" |
| 22:22.52 | karsten | abrotman: Extra crunchy, of course. |
| 22:23.46 | sdubois92 | i have git-1.2.2 |
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| 22:24.15 | Wyzard | sdubois92: You want the latest firmware there |
| 22:24.25 | Wyzard | sdubois92: I helped someone set up ipw2100 a few weeks ago so I know this |
| 22:24.26 | bloodandsoil | Hi which version of Epiphany comes with Gnome 2.18 in Debian Testing? |
| 22:24.33 | Wyzard | The older firmwares are for ancient versions of the driver |
| 22:24.39 | karsten | !tell bloodandsoil about search |
| 22:24.44 | abrotman | !info epiphany-browser lenny |
| 22:24.47 | dpkg | epiphany-browser: (Intuitive GNOME web browser), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.3-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 3970 kB, Installed size: 11080 kB |
| 22:24.58 | abrotman | that's the version currently there i suppose |
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| 22:25.17 | bloodandsoil | abrotman: Thanks. I wonder why Epiphany version is 2.14 if Gnome is 2.18? |
| 22:25.30 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: Epiphany versions don't follow GNOME versions |
| 22:25.31 | abrotman | bloodandsoil: maybe not all of 2.18 is in testing yet ... |
| 22:25.44 | abrotman | !info epiphany-browser unstable |
| 22:25.44 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: sid has epiphany 2.20, which is presumably the version that goes with the new GNOME |
| 22:25.46 | dpkg | epiphany-browser: (Intuitive web browser - dummy package), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.20.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 22:26.12 | bloodandsoil | Wyzard: It doesn't? I thought Epiphany was the GNOME web browser? I.e. part of "official" GNOME? |
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| 22:26.47 | glguy | sid is half gnome 2.18, half 2.20. Is lenny split similarly? |
| 22:26.48 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: It is, but it's not part of the "GNOME Core" |
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| 22:26.53 | jelly-home | !why is epiphany-browser not in testing |
| 22:26.53 | dpkg | epiphany-browser is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=epiphany-browser |
| 22:27.07 | bloodandsoil | jelly-home: Thanks |
| 22:27.17 | Wyzard | I think it's part of the "GNOME Desktop", but IIRC Desktop packages aren't tied to the overall version number like Core packages are |
| 22:27.26 | sdubois92 | where do i put the ipw2100 firmware? |
| 22:27.34 | Wyzard | sdubois92: /usr/local/lib/firmware |
| 22:27.38 | bloodandsoil | Wyzard: I never understand how they arrange/categorize GNOME. I mean, how can Epiphany be "official", yet not part of "core"? |
| 22:27.40 | Wyzard | sdubois92: Create the directory if it doesn't exist already |
| 22:28.17 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: Core is fundamental stuff like GTK/GLib as well as basic stuff like the calculator and the panel |
| 22:28.30 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: Desktop is Core plus other apps that would typically be installed on a desktop system |
| 22:28.42 | Wyzard | That's my understanding, at least |
| 22:28.53 | sdubois92 | just put the .tgz in there? |
| 22:29.02 | Wyzard | sdubois92: no, unzip it there |
| 22:29.14 | jelly-home | sdubois92: unpack and put individual files there |
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| 22:29.41 | Wyzard | GNOME Core packages are guaranteed to never break API compatibility (until GNOME 3.x comes along) |
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| 22:29.50 | sdubois92 | i unzipped and put the folder there, is that correct? |
| 22:29.50 | Wyzard | GNOME Desktop packages don't have that requirement |
| 22:29.57 | bloodandsoil | Wyzard: And Epiphany does not qualify for inclusion in Core? A web browser is a pretty basic thing that would typically be installed on a desktop system. |
| 22:30.04 | Wyzard | sdubois92: You want the actual .fw files to be directly in the firmware directory |
| 22:30.08 | sdubois92 | ok |
| 22:30.34 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: "typically installed on a desktop system" means it's appropriate for Desktop, but it's not central enough to be part of Core |
| 22:31.10 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: and being Core would limit the developers -- they wouldn't be able to improve the design in ways that break API compatibility |
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| 22:32.46 | Wyzard | (They'd have to guarantee, for example, that an Epiphany extension compiled today would be able to be loaded by all future versions of Epiphany) |
| 22:32.58 | sdubois92 | now what do i do? |
| 22:33.28 | Wyzard | sdubois92: If you have the modules package installed and the firmware in the right place, you should be able to "modprobe ipw2100" and have a new network interface (eth1 or whatever) |
| 22:33.57 | Wyzard | sdubois92: Install the "wireless-tools" package and run iwconfig to get info about it -- that'll show you which interface is the wireless one |
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| 22:35.06 | sdubois92 | iwconfig shows no wireless extensions on every device |
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| 22:36.15 | sdubois92 | usr/local/lib/firmware has all the files in it |
| 22:36.15 | Wyzard | Did you modprobe ipw2100? |
| 22:36.19 | sdubois92 | yes |
| 22:36.26 | Wyzard | Check dmesg for error messages |
| 22:36.26 | wols_ | sdubois92: what does dmesg say? |
| 22:36.30 | abrotman | before or after the firmware was there ? |
| 22:37.47 | Wyzard | That's a good point -- rmmod ipw2100, and then modprobe it again |
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| 22:38.20 | sdubois92 | what shoudl i be looking for in dmesg |
| 22:38.29 | abrotman | at least that the module loaded |
| 22:38.44 | sdubois92 | should i pastebin it? |
| 22:38.46 | stiv2k | what is Xft? |
| 22:38.54 | Wyzard | sdubois92: any error-looking messages near the end |
| 22:39.08 | Wyzard | stiv2k: X Freetype |
| 22:39.08 | sdubois92 | noIPv6 |
| 22:39.23 | stiv2k | Wyzard: how can i tell if im using it or not |
| 22:39.23 | Wyzard | stiv2k: Freetype is a library for rasterizing fonts |
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| 22:39.35 | sdubois92 | http |
| 22:39.40 | Wyzard | stiv2k: Xft is what handles displaying Freetype-rendered text on the screen in X |
| 22:39.50 | stiv2k | Wyzard: ok |
| 22:39.51 | Wyzard | stiv2k: It's used automatically by programs that need it |
| 22:40.00 | sdubois92 | http://rafb.net/p/G0Jiu268.html |
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| 22:40.22 | Wyzard | sdubois92: 404 on that page |
| 22:40.28 | sdubois92 | http://rafb.net/p/GOJiu268.html |
| 22:40.37 | themill | guess again |
| 22:40.44 | sdubois92 | im running on two machines right now |
| 22:40.53 | themill | hmmm.... |
| 22:40.58 | Wyzard | sdubois92: I don't see any messages at all from the ipw2100 driver there |
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| 22:41.20 | sdubois92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.22 | sdubois92 | right? |
| 22:41.24 | themill | ipw2100: eth2: Firmware 'ipw2100-1.3.fw' not available or load failed. |
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| 22:41.34 | Wyzard | sdubois92: /usr/local/lib/firmware |
| 22:41.34 | NaufraGo | which is an usefull p2p app? |
| 22:41.40 | abrotman | gtk-gnutella |
| 22:41.48 | Wyzard | themill: ah, I overlooked that :-) |
| 22:41.56 | sdubois92 | has all the files in it |
| 22:42.05 | NaufraGo | is it graphic? |
| 22:42.22 | themill | Wyzard: I figured that ;) I love the firefox/iceweasel search as you type... don't know what i did before it |
| 22:42.23 | sdubois92 | NaufraGo: yes, its limewire |
| 22:42.31 | SlackRat | frostwire |
| 22:42.32 | Wyzard | sdubois92: Does ipw2100-1.3.fw exist in /usr/local/lib/firmware? |
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| 22:42.51 | sdubois92 | no |
| 22:43.04 | NaufraGo | what servers does it support? ares ones? emule? |
| 22:43.20 | Wyzard | sdubois92: What files are in that directory? |
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| 22:43.56 | Wyzard | sdubois92: More specifically, what .fw files are in that directory? |
| 22:44.01 | NaufraGo | I'm looking for videos, music first |
| 22:44.11 | sdubois92 | none |
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| 22:44.43 | sdubois92 | http://rafb.net/p/Godt7R84.html |
| 22:44.57 | NaufraGo | abrotman |
| 22:44.59 | Wyzard | sdubois92: That's not the firmware, that's the source code to the driver :-) |
| 22:45.08 | Wyzard | sdubois92: Delete all that |
| 22:45.17 | Wyzard | sdubois92: http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php |
| 22:45.41 | sdubois92 | oops |
| 22:46.08 | bloodandsoil | Debian getting slammed on Slashdot: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/09/30/1117241.shtml |
| 22:46.09 | NaufraGo | what servers does gtk-gnutella support? |
| 22:46.10 | sdubois92 | should i get v1.3 |
| 22:46.32 | valdyn | bloodandsoil: not really |
| 22:47.08 | Wyzard | sdubois92: yes, your ipw2100 driver is version 1.2.2 (remember "git-1.2.2") and everything from version 0.55 up uses firmware 1.3 |
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| 22:48.20 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: sounds like someone didn't understand the purpose of debian-volatile |
| 22:48.28 | akio | i need help getting debian onto an old thinkpad |
| 22:48.34 | sdubois92 | ok, then modprobe ipw2100? |
| 22:48.45 | stew | sdubois92: did you put the firmware into /lib/firmware? |
| 22:48.46 | akio | i have floppy but no cd or ethernet |
| 22:48.52 | sdubois92 | yes |
| 22:48.55 | Wyzard | sdubois92: rmmod it first, because it's probably already loaded |
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| 22:49.03 | akio | i have a pcmcia card for wireless |
| 22:49.18 | Wyzard | sdubois92: You want to remove the loaded module (which is nonfunctional since it couldn't find its firmware) and then load it again (so it looks for the firmware again, and finds it this time) |
| 22:49.28 | sdubois92 | i dont follow |
| 22:49.38 | sdubois92 | i put the firmware in the right folder |
| 22:49.40 | sdubois92 | now what |
| 22:49.42 | akio | is it possible to compile a kernel and put it onto a floppy? |
| 22:49.46 | NaufraGo | does anybody know about gtk-gnutella?? |
| 22:49.52 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: though a timezone update could be appropriate for a real etch update... those aren't *only* for security bugs |
| 22:49.54 | stew | sdubois92: which? /lib/firmware? or /usr/local/lib/firmware? |
| 22:49.59 | abrotman | just search |
| 22:50.01 | sdubois92 | usr/local |
| 22:50.04 | Wyzard | sdubois92: rmmod ipw2100 |
| 22:50.07 | Wyzard | sdubois92: modprobe ipw2100 |
| 22:50.11 | stew | sdubois92: is /usr/local/lib/firmware on the same partition as / ? |
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| 22:50.18 | sdubois92 | yes |
| 22:50.20 | speedy | i'm setting eth0 to 192.168.0.99 and an IP alias eth0:0 to 192.168.0.100, outgoing connection using 192.168.0.100, how can i set it to use 192.168.0.99 ? |
| 22:50.24 | stew | ok, otherwise it wouldn't work |
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| 22:50.44 | Wyzard | stew: That would only matter if it was on a network-mounted filesystem |
| 22:51.19 | stew | Wyzard: otherwise somehting has to load the driver sometime between when /etc/rcS.d/S35mountall.sh and /etc/rcS.d/S39ifupdown |
| 22:51.23 | bloodandsoil | Wyzard: Yes but it hasn't met the rules for inclusion in Stable. Isn't there a mandatory wait time? |
| 22:51.41 | valdyn | bloodandsoil: no |
| 22:51.47 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: dunno offhand |
| 22:51.49 | stew | Wyzard: usually the driver is loaded by /etc/rcS.d/S03udev or /etc/rcS.d/S20module-init-tools, right? |
| 22:52.10 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: but if I lived in NZ and downloaded an up-to-date Debian and it was doing time calculations incorrectly, I'd certainly consider that a serious bug |
| 22:52.16 | bloodandsoil | Wyzard: And since it's not a "security" related issue, wouldn't it have to go through Testing first before being considered for Stable? |
| 22:52.16 | valdyn | bloodandsoil: you're confusing the release process with updating a debian release |
| 22:52.27 | dondelelcaro | bloodandsoil: no |
| 22:52.32 | NaufraGo | does anybody know giFT? |
| 22:52.39 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: The path through testing is only for entire new releases |
| 22:52.45 | spdf | NaufraGo, person or p2p app? |
| 22:52.46 | bloodandsoil | Okay, roger that. Got it. |
| 22:52.48 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: Updates to an existing release have their own path |
| 22:52.52 | dondelelcaro | bloodandsoil: patches to specific issues that are approved by the security release managers are allowed to enter directly |
| 22:52.52 | NaufraGo | p2p |
| 22:52.58 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: etch-proposed-updated, I believe |
| 22:53.05 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: *etch-proposed-updates |
| 22:53.11 | dondelelcaro | bloodandsoil: but they only come in when we do a point release, which is fairly infreqent |
| 22:53.12 | spdf | NaufraGo, Then yes, what about it? |
| 22:53.26 | NaufraGo | is it a good app? or is there any other better? |
| 22:53.49 | dondelelcaro | (that whole slashdot article is basically wrong, not to put to fine a point on it) |
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| 22:54.29 | spdf | NaufraGo, it works well enough. I've only ever used giftcurs (console) though |
| 22:55.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. Yesterday, my wireless network worked. Today, it does not. After reviewing dpkg.log, I see that the only difference relating to that is an upgrade of network-manager. But I don't even use that app. |
| 22:55.02 | glguy | users* |
| 22:55.02 | NaufraGo | it supports ares severs, doesn't it? |
| 22:55.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | Here is my dmesg http://pastebin.ca/721084 |
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| 22:55.23 | spdf | NaufraGo, Yes, I believe I had to compile that myself though |
| 22:55.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me out a bit? :) |
| 22:56.15 | NaufraGo | gtk-gnutella isn't giFT? |
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| 22:56.54 | spdf | NaufraGo, No |
| 22:57.00 | NaufraGo | ight |
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| 22:57.15 | NaufraGo | right.. have you tied it? |
| 22:57.32 | NaufraGo | tried (this 'r'...) |
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| 22:57.36 | spdf | NaufraGo, I haven't, since giFT connects to the gnutella network as well.. |
| 22:57.39 | Gunner_Sr | I have a version issue with evolution, complaining that it needs the common libs for 2.10 and only 2.12 is available? |
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| 22:59.14 | Guerin | Gunner_Sr: this is what you get for not running stable |
| 22:59.17 | Guerin | Gunner_Sr: enjoy. |
| 22:59.31 | Gunner_Sr | Lol, thanks. I thought that could be the issue. |
| 22:59.54 | stew | Gunner_Sr: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:00.08 | Gunner_Sr | okay |
| 23:00.32 | Wyzard | Gunner_Sr: Wait a few days and the updated evolution package should be available, which depends on the 2.12 evolution-common |
| 23:00.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me out? :) |
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| 23:00.38 | node_6 | hi all |
| 23:01.05 | Gunner_Sr | Wyzard: Thanks, I can wait a few days if it coming. I use gmail web |
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| 23:01.24 | SlackRat | no need to ask to ask Apostrophe, just ask |
| 23:01.34 | node_6 | I've been on LFS for years and I'm thinking of trying out debian. For my lappy with a core 2 duo, would I want the amd64 dvd image or the x86 dvd image? |
| 23:01.42 | stew | SlackRat: he did |
| 23:01.44 | Wyzard | node_6: Either will work |
| 23:01.51 | SlackRat | oh |
| 23:01.55 | Wyzard | node_6: so it just depends on whether you want a 64-bit OS or a 32-bit OS |
| 23:01.58 | SlackRat | i knew that.... :-P |
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| 23:02.33 | Wyzard | node_6: Note that there are no 64-bit browser plugins for Adobe Flash or Sun Java |
| 23:02.38 | node_6 | Wyzard: I've never had a 64-bit system. I sort of shyed away from it because of all the reports of badly behaved drivers and such |
| 23:03.04 | Wyzard | node_6: Other than the lack of a few proprietary apps (most notably Flash and the Java plugin), amd64 Debian works fine |
| 23:03.11 | node_6 | Wyzard: in those cases (flash,java) what would have to be done? |
| 23:03.12 | Wyzard | node_6: I've been running it since January on my main desktop box |
| 23:03.22 | Gunner_Sr | stew: apt-get install evolution |
| 23:03.23 | Gunner_Sr | Reading package lists... Done |
| 23:03.23 | Gunner_Sr | Building dependency tree |
| 23:03.23 | Gunner_Sr | Reading state information... Done |
| 23:03.23 | Gunner_Sr | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
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| 23:03.50 | Wyzard | node_6: In unstable there's a Flash package which loads the 32-bit Flash plugin via nspluginwrapper... that worked initially when I first installed it, but it doesn't seem to be working anymore and I'm not sure why |
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| 23:04.04 | Wyzard | node_6: so you *might* be able to get Flash working on your 64-bit system |
| 23:04.05 | linux_jones | can i resize a mounted partition? |
| 23:04.28 | Wyzard | node_6: For Java, you're out of luck if you need Sun Java, but GNU Java (gij) might be sufficient, and that has a 64-bit plugin |
| 23:04.46 | Wyzard | node_6: (Note that there *is* 64-bit Sun Java; it just doesn't include the browser plugin for running applets on web pages) |
| 23:04.57 | Gunner_Sr | Wyzard: I use the flash plugin on 64 bit and it works fine. |
| 23:05.07 | Wyzard | linux_jones: Some filesystems support enlarging while mounted -- ext3, reiserfs, and XFS do, and perhaps others |
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| 23:05.15 | Wyzard | linux_jones: I don't know of any that can be shrunk while mounted |
| 23:05.17 | node_6 | Wyzard: hmm.. I also need to track madwifi svn because of my relatively recent wireless-N card. Do you forsee any troubles in that area? |
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| 23:06.06 | Wyzard | node_6: not likely |
| 23:06.26 | linux_jones | Wyzard, so i need to reinstall linux, but i want to keep all my mp3's and whatnot, how would i go about resizing the filesystem so i can move them to it, and then reinstalling over the existing install? use the partition manager on the net install? |
| 23:06.45 | node_6 | Wyzard: and lastly, how about the fglrx driver? |
| 23:07.20 | Wyzard | node_6: That's available, and probably works just like the 32-bit one |
| 23:07.27 | node_6 | alrighty |
| 23:07.31 | Wyzard | node_6: but I don't use it (I'm using nVidia, which is just fine on amd64) |
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| 23:07.49 | node_6 | thanks very much for the advice, Wyzard. I'll give the 64-bit image a shot |
| 23:08.01 | Wyzard | linux_jones: You'd use a bootable CD of some sort, like the Debian install CD or an Ubuntu CD or something |
| 23:08.12 | Wyzard | linux_jones: Sorry I can't help more, but I need to leave in a minute |
| 23:08.30 | node_6 | oh yes... one last thing... when I build kernels, is there anything special I will need to do to make sure it builds the 64-bit variety? |
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| 23:08.36 | dendrite | linux_jones: How much stuff do you have? Any chance you can make a backup to a set of DVD blanks? |
| 23:08.40 | linux_jones | Wyzard, that worked well enough, i just wanted to confirm it, thank you for the help |
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| 23:08.54 | linux_jones | dendrite, i dont have a dvdr |
| 23:09.03 | Wyzard | node_6: No, some of the configuration options may be different but the overall process is the same |
| 23:09.03 | dendrite | linux_jones: Mmm. |
| 23:09.35 | dendrite | linux_jones: The stuff you're looking at doing is somewhat risky (at least), so if you can make a backup, that would be ++ |
| 23:09.50 | linux_jones | dendrite, ad i cant even send it over the network to a ntfs partition because ext* doesnt read ntfs, is that still correct? |
| 23:09.56 | node_6 | Wyzard: meaning that I will have different options available, or that I would need to select different options that I have already seen? |
| 23:09.58 | Wyzard | node_6: The 64-bit toolchain builds 64-bit binaries by default, btw |
| 23:10.21 | Wyzard | node_6: You'd have to use an option (-m32, I think) to build a 32-bit binary |
| 23:10.33 | dendrite | linux_jones: ext* and ntfs are two different file systems, it doesn't make sense that one would read the other. |
| 23:10.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. Yesterday, my wireless network worked. Today, it does not. After reviewing dpkg.log, I see that the only difference relating to that is an upgrade of network-manager. But I don't even use that app. |
| 23:10.39 | spdf | linux_jones, if you set up a directory as a network share (from windows - Sharing & Security), and make sure the option to allow changes |
| 23:10.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | Here is my dmesg http://pastebin.ca/721084 |
| 23:10.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me out? :) |
| 23:10.58 | dendrite | linux_jones: You could send data across the network to a windows machine, if that's what you're getting at. |
| 23:11.04 | Wyzard | node_6: There might be a few kernel options that exist in a 64-bit configuration but not in a 32-bit configuration, and vice-versa |
| 23:11.12 | Wyzard | node_6: Those which exist on both have the same meaning on both |
| 23:11.16 | dendrite | linux_jones: Or, yes, it's possible to mount NTFS rw. |
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| 23:11.35 | node_6 | ty Wyzard :) have a good night |
| 23:11.36 | Wyzard | node_6: but the "processor type and features" submenu will be different, for example |
| 23:12.38 | Hub441 | where can i get a nice usplash-theme for etch? |
| 23:13.27 | RichiH | what is the canonical way to make the box shut down when it receives the power button event? on this laptop, it detects the key press, but it chooses to ignore it and keep on running |
| 23:13.58 | linux_jones | are there kernel headers for the latest kernel available for apt-getting? |
| 23:14.07 | Wyzard | linux_jones: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 23:14.19 | Hub441 | apropos shutdown, can i get a "hibernate/suspend" button in kde's shutdown menue? |
| 23:14.33 | Wyzard | linux_jones: There are linux-headers packages for each linux-image package |
| 23:14.50 | Guerin | !set the time |
| 23:14.51 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 23:14.55 | sdubois92 | wyzard: i had wireless working, now it wont work. it shows up in the gnome network manager and iwconfig but i cant connect to it |
| 23:14.58 | themill | Hub441: not that I know of, but you can get it on your system tray using kpowersave |
| 23:15.21 | themill | sdubois92: are you in the netdev group? |
| 23:15.21 | dendrite | sdubois92: Maybe your neighbors changed the password. |
| 23:15.29 | Hub441 | themill: do i net to be su for that? |
| 23:15.30 | sdubois92 | haha |
| 23:15.37 | sdubois92 | no, i use dd-wrt |
| 23:15.51 | themill | Hub441: no, just in the powerdev group, iirc |
| 23:17.01 | Hub441 | kk, then i just need some nice usplash theme |
| 23:17.24 | abrotman | RichiH: have the event script call shutdown |
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| 23:17.55 | RichiH | abrotman: location? |
| 23:17.59 | Hub441 | since i don't want to build my own kernel i didn't choose bootsplash |
| 23:18.11 | abrotman | RichiH: /etc/acpi/ or /etc/acpid/ .. i think |
| 23:18.45 | RichiH | abrotman: cool, thanks. |
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| 23:19.08 | Hub441 | or can i use bootsplash without re-building the kernel each time there is a updateß |
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| 23:19.52 | NaufraGo | spdf, I can't install ares-gift. I download it, command ./configure and it gives me serveral dependencies problems, zlib for instances |
| 23:20.14 | Hub441 | well usplash doesnt seem to work with hibernate :/ |
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| 23:21.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can someone help me connect to a wpa-encrypted network? |
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| 23:21.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | I keep getting wlan0: privacy configuration mismatch and mixed-cell disabled - disassociate |
| 23:21.23 | afaict | hi folks! |
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| 23:21.45 | NaufraGo | http://paste.debian.net/38470 that's my problem |
| 23:21.50 | CBG | Hi. Can someone give me a quick hint/link to help me change the startup disk on a base install of Debian stable? |
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| 23:22.41 | afaict | I type apt-get install lame and I've got an error. There is no available package to install. Does Debian has any package to replace lame ? |
| 23:22.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | NaufraGo: Well, it says plain and simple what to do |
| 23:23.03 | themill | NaufraGo: install zlib1g-dev |
| 23:23.04 | NaufraGo | install zlib? |
| 23:23.18 | stew | afaict: no, debian cannot distribute mp3 encoders becuase they are covered by patent and debian has no way to make sure you actually pay for a license |
| 23:23.23 | themill | NaufraGo: for compiling, you normally need -dev packages |
| 23:23.28 | NaufraGo | what about the other thing I don't have? |
| 23:23.38 | NaufraGo | like g++ |
| 23:23.42 | NaufraGo | are they necessary? |
| 23:23.43 | Hub441 | anyone here using bootsplash without a custom kernel? |
| 23:23.47 | sdubois92 | does anyone actually pay for encoders? |
| 23:23.48 | themill | !tell afaict about dmm |
| 23:24.15 | themill | sdubois92: if you buy anything with an mp3 logo on it, then you have |
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| 23:25.07 | jae | How do you switch off apt's "The following packages were automatically installed..." output? |
| 23:25.19 | Guerin | why would you? |
| 23:25.20 | intr80 | jae : is there a quiet option? |
| 23:25.32 | intr80 | jae : if not, grep -v 'string' |
| 23:25.34 | themill | NaufraGo: if it doesn't complain and then crash, then probably not. |
| 23:25.48 | jae | I don't want it to be quiet, just that it stops reporting *that* part |
| 23:26.00 | sdubois92 | so does anyone know why i cant connect using wireless |
| 23:26.09 | Guerin | sdubois92: because you don't have it set up right |
| 23:26.15 | sdubois92 | i just set it up and i connected fine |
| 23:26.18 | jae | Checked apt-get's man page, and apt_preferences, nothing |
| 23:26.20 | sdubois92 | wyzard helped |
| 23:26.23 | intr80 | jae: pipe to |grep -v 'automatically installed' |
| 23:27.01 | YouBucky | Hey Guys, I'm creating a RAID5 array consisting of 5 disks with a chunk size of 64k. Generally speaking the array wil only hold large filer (hundreds of MB's). I'm looking for the options to use when creating my filesystem, I was thinking "mke2fs -b 4096 -R stride=16 -jv /dev/md0" but please offer suggestions |
| 23:27.13 | jae | intr80: I know how to use grep, thank you very much (and like that would just remove that one line anyway ;) |
| 23:27.36 | Hub441 | nobody using bootslpash? |
| 23:27.52 | Hub441 | or some other splash-thing working with hibernate on etch? |
| 23:28.04 | NaufraGo | http://paste.debian.net/38471 this is another problem |
| 23:28.13 | themill | jae: you could have written a patch for apt in the time you've been complaining about it... |
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| 23:29.36 | themill | NaufraGo: line 14 is the key there: error: libgift/proto/protocol.h: No such file or directory. That's in the package libgiftproto-dev. |
| 23:29.42 | themill | !tell NaufraGo about search |
| 23:29.53 | themill | NaufraGo: apt-file search is your friend ;) |
| 23:30.16 | Hub441 | !tell Hub441 about bootsplash |
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| 23:30.49 | Christoph_vW | I have a problem here - df tells me that one of my raid arrays is 100% full |
| 23:30.54 | NaufraGo | libgiftproto-dev is not to install by apt |
| 23:31.05 | Christoph_vW | I deleted some gigabytes - but df still tells me that 100% is used |
| 23:31.20 | Christoph_vW | and I can not create new files on it |
| 23:31.21 | NaufraGo | I mean, apt-get install libgiftproto-dev doesn't work |
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| 23:32.10 | themill | NaufraGo: can you please pastebin the output from apt for that command? and your sources.list, please |
| 23:32.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out with connecting to my wpa-protected ap? |
| 23:32.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | wlan0: privacy configuration mismatch and mixed-cell disabled - disassociate |
| 23:32.44 | NaufraGo | sorry, it did worked |
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| 23:33.07 | carbon60 | What is a simple way to figure out what is using bandwidth on an interface? |
| 23:33.19 | NaufraGo | now, I type make and it gives me thousands of texts, I don't know if everything is ok |
| 23:33.25 | taime1 | i have been at this since 930 am, i really want sound on my lapto. is there anyone here with enough patience left to help me? |
| 23:33.53 | themill | NaufraGo: if it finishes without a line that reads "Error", then it completed fine. |
| 23:33.58 | Christoph_vW | carbon60: wireshark? |
| 23:34.29 | carbon60 | Christoph_vW: Seems a little overkill. |
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| 23:34.36 | abrotman | carbon60: ntop or jnettop |
| 23:34.37 | carbon60 | Plus I would have to sample then process. |
| 23:34.45 | carbon60 | abrotman: That sounds good. |
| 23:35.04 | Christoph_vW | can anyone tell me why I don't get free space on a disk when I delete some gigabytes of files? |
| 23:35.15 | taime1 | why doesnt alsa see my card or modules??? |
| 23:36.10 | abrotman | Christoph_vW: did the filesystem sync ? |
| 23:36.22 | Christoph_vW | how can I figure out? |
| 23:37.51 | stew | Christoph_vW: if you delete files that are still open, the space isn't reclaimed until the files are closed |
| 23:38.00 | NaufraGo | spdf, are you there? |
| 23:38.18 | Christoph_vW | there files weren't open |
| 23:38.31 | Christoph_vW | I remounted the disk - still 100% used |
| 23:39.50 | Christoph_vW | I will check it with fsck now |
| 23:40.42 | NaufraGo | doesn anybody know about giFT p2p app? |
| 23:40.54 | abrotman | there is a #gift |
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| 23:41.35 | NaufraGo | they're not so helpfull |
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| 23:42.48 | sdubois92 | NaufraGo: try BitTorrent |
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| 23:47.31 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 23:48.54 | shamrock | can anyone tell me if it is possible to install VMWare from debian repositores added to the sources.list? |
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| 23:49.13 | abrotman | debian doesn't include vmware |
| 23:49.20 | themill | night all! |
| 23:49.43 | shamrock | abrotman: hence I am asking here if anyone knows about other repositories. |
| 23:49.54 | abrotman | ask #vmware |
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| 23:50.08 | shamrock | well, I think asking DEbian users is a good start. |
| 23:50.19 | abrotman | but debian doesn't include vmware |
| 23:50.22 | Guerin | shamrock: this is the same question as before: can you people in #debian help me with $PROPRIETARY_SHIT_NOT_IN_DEBIAN? |
| 23:50.24 | lux0r | shamrock: you dont have to use a debian package, the install is pretty easy |
| 23:50.37 | shamrock | lux0r: did you build from source? |
| 23:50.46 | abrotman | you have vmware source ? |
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| 23:50.50 | Guerin | heh |
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| 23:50.59 | shamrock | Guerin: yes. Possibly. Now if you cant or wont help, the please dont make noise. |
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| 23:51.14 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:51.28 | Nyle | wow I just had a brainfart. I was talking in #debian but was on oftc |
| 23:51.30 | Nyle | hah |
| 23:51.31 | Guerin | shamrock: you're in a public channel, you gets what you gets. Ask offtopic questions elsewhere. |
| 23:51.35 | lux0r | shamrock: its not source, its just a perl script that you run, then you answer a few questions and it does the rest, given that you have the packages "build-essential" and "kernel-headers" installed |
| 23:51.37 | abrotman | he's gone |
| 23:51.43 | Guerin | hurrah! |
| 23:51.52 | Nyle | Guerin: whats happenin |
| 23:51.53 | lux0r | guys, that was not nice |
| 23:51.55 | Nyle | you seem happy |
| 23:52.05 | Guerin | Nyle: happy is a strong word |
| 23:52.09 | Nyle | ok |
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| 23:52.13 | Nyle | you seem jolly? |
| 23:52.35 | Christoph_vW | shouldn't fsck display any form of progress? |
| 23:52.42 | Nyle | Christoph_vW: with -v |
| 23:52.47 | Nyle | read the manpage |
| 23:52.50 | Christoph_vW | yes, I called it with -v |
| 23:53.12 | flami | What "source" could i use to send data to an icecast server, ices seems to capture anything that goes throught my soundcard, Id like to just send stuff that i play ( in AMarok preferably ) . is there such thing ? |
| 23:53.18 | Christoph_vW | nothing more than "fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006)" yet |
| 23:53.21 | flami | Ohh forgot tzo say Hi |
| 23:53.23 | Nyle | its -V |
| 23:53.25 | Nyle | not -v |
| 23:53.40 | Nyle | once again, read the manpage and don't listen to me |
| 23:53.42 | Nyle | or something |
| 23:54.24 | Christoph_vW | great - than the command line help is wrong |
| 23:54.36 | Christoph_vW | command line -v, man page -V |
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| 23:56.44 | Nyle | hmm |
| 23:58.12 | Christoph_vW | strange - when I delete files - the used value is getting lower - but available stays at 0 |
| 23:58.32 | Guerin | Christoph_vW: fam? |
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| 23:58.36 | abrotman | what filesystem? and which user is writing/deleting ? |
| 23:58.36 | Guerin | fam is teh evils |
| 23:58.41 | Guerin | you might also try `sync' |
| 23:58.58 | Christoph_vW | sync had no effect |
| 23:59.06 | Christoph_vW | ext3 |
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| 23:59.10 | Christoph_vW | user root |
| 23:59.19 | Guerin | root has reserved space |
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| 23:59.25 | bloodandsoil | Where is the pictures folder in the Screensaver Preferences? |
| 23:59.48 | Christoph_vW | Guerin: how can I disable this reserved space? |
