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| 00:03.37 | zenwryly | I don't suppose there's someway to have a LUKS/dm-crypt root where the boot process accepts the key over the network on boot? For example, a server located in a hosting provider's data center? |
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| 00:06.51 | Supaplex | zenwryly: via pxe trickery perhaps? |
| 00:07.15 | bagualas | hello, I have installed debian, I have 2 Ethernet... but it detects both with the same name, and doesnt work... why is that? one of then do not work... if I change the PCI slot, it works... |
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| 00:07.59 | Supaplex | bagualas: both nics have the same name? How do you figure? |
| 00:08.19 | zenwryly | Supaplex: yeah, I need to learn more about PXE |
| 00:08.28 | bagualas | Supaplex, I did lspci, and show up those 2 VIa ethers... but one is d-link.. |
| 00:08.43 | bagualas | I try to configure eth1 but doesnt work =\ only if i switch the boards |
| 00:09.03 | Supaplex | bagualas: do both nics work when you swap the boards? |
| 00:09.16 | bagualas | nops, just the first... |
| 00:09.20 | bagualas | only eth0 |
| 00:09.27 | Supaplex | eth1 never works? |
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| 00:10.00 | Supaplex | does it matter what cables are in the card? |
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| 00:16.15 | Wyzard | hmm, after upgrading to Xorg 7.3, my evdev entry for my mouse in xorg.conf stopped working, and I had to switch back to the "mouse" driver |
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| 00:16.23 | Wyzard | probably just needs a config tweak though |
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| 00:17.00 | sam1337 | Could somebody give me a prediction of when lenny will have the 2.6.22 kernel? |
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| 00:17.15 | Hweran | hi to all |
| 00:17.19 | sam1337 | hi |
| 00:17.30 | widrone | Running / and swap off a usb-flash, but lately my etch started crashing on me. Im reinstalling to new "disk" now to rule out the rest of the hardware. Anyone experienced anything like this? |
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| 00:18.31 | bagualas | Supaplex, I'm usign the same cable, changing it to test... |
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| 00:18.47 | bagualas | if I leave just one card, it works fine |
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| 00:19.32 | sam1337 | How do I rename an lvm volume group? |
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| 00:19.54 | h3sp4wn | sam1337: lvrename (surprisingly) |
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| 00:22.17 | maddash | I don't understand -- when I recompile a package and dpkg -i it, why does aptitude insist on installing the version from the repository? |
| 00:22.28 | osmosis | now my only issue left is...grub msgs are going to the serial port now, but it fails to print them to the vga screen also. tty1 I guess that would be. |
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| 00:23.00 | Hweran | i have a problem with my girlfriend, my stick is to enought for her |
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| 00:23.54 | Jla4ko | i wont to make script that my user to add him self automatic when they start ssh connecting and type NEW ... do you know how |
| 00:23.55 | Hweran | i have a problem with my girlfriend, my stick is too for her |
| 00:24.07 | sam1337 | Hweran that is a problem with your stick not your girlfriend. |
| 00:24.19 | widrone | Hweran: I got a 1gb JetFlash stick you can replace with... |
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| 00:24.26 | maddash | Hweran: you also have a problem with complete sentences |
| 00:25.20 | philth | Is there a compiz-fusion repository that works with testing? |
| 00:25.24 | Hweran | excuse-me i am spanish and my english level is very bad, in this moment!! |
| 00:26.23 | Hweran | my stick is the most big from this channel!! |
| 00:26.44 | Hweran | i am sure.... |
| 00:26.47 | zenwryly | Supaplex: would it be possible to boot into a "lesser" runlevel by default which runs ssh, then mount encrypted filesystems providing keys as necessary via ssh, then switch to the fully functioning runlevel that needs access to the encrypted DS? |
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| 00:29.10 | zenwryly | ah! http://cthulhu.c3d2.de/~toidinamai/debian/initramfs-ssh/README.html |
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| 00:31.49 | zenwryly | dropbear started from initramfs |
| 00:32.34 | philth | Is there a compiz-fusion repository that works with testing? |
| 00:33.07 | Jla4ko | i wont to make script that my user to add him self automatic when they start ssh connecting and type NEW ... do you know how |
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| 00:36.00 | maddash | Jla4ko: do you know how to craft a sentence that makes sense? |
| 00:36.25 | Jla4ko | i cant speek english so good sorry |
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| 00:38.23 | h3sp4wn | Jla4ko: like - telnet sdf.lonestar.org does when new is typed ? |
| 00:38.27 | ricky | I wouldn't give random people SSH access access if I didn't even know how to.. |
| 00:38.36 | Jla4ko | yes |
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| 00:40.39 | maddash | Jla4ko: `echo "alias NEW='ssh [blah]' " >> ${HOME}/.bashrc` |
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| 00:41.27 | jeffwheeler | It seems GNOME 2.20 really tries to display tooltips as quickly as possible; how can I delay the time it takes before they show up? |
| 00:41.41 | jeffwheeler | It's actually pretty annoying, because it covers up the text on the main menu all the time. |
| 00:42.07 | Wyzard | jeffwheeler: I'm up-to-date on sid and I don't see tooltips appearing unusually quickly |
| 00:42.24 | tremby | i'm running lenny, and currently have the 2.6.21 kernel. my wireless usb thing needs 2.6.22, which i believe is in sid. how can i install that kernel without apt wanting to upgrade all my other packages to sid? |
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| 00:44.04 | Wyzard | jeffwheeler: Keep in mind that there's a delay before a tooltip *initially* appears, but once it's displayed, moving the mouse to related items (like other lines on a menu) causes their tips to appear much more quickly |
| 00:44.30 | Wyzard | jeffwheeler: If you move your mouse away from the menu (or whatever) for a few seconds, the timer starts over again and there'll be a longer delay before another one appears |
| 00:44.44 | jeffwheeler | Wyzard: yeah, I've noticed that; it does seem to be quicker though -- I guess that's just me |
| 00:45.09 | maddash | tremby: you have wireless usb? |
| 00:45.13 | Wyzard | jeffwheeler: Applications have control over tooltip delays, so it could be just the app |
| 00:45.26 | tremby | maddash: i have a usb ethernet card i want to use |
| 00:45.27 | jeffwheeler | Wyzard: main menu |
| 00:45.27 | h3sp4wn | Jla4ko: I don't know an easy way |
| 00:45.44 | maddash | tremby: oh, I thought you meant usb 3.0 |
| 00:45.56 | tremby | ah, didn't know that was wireless. i thought just optical |
| 00:46.05 | maddash | tremby: compile your own kernel. |
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| 00:46.07 | osmosis | Where are system shutdown msgs configured? |
| 00:46.11 | maddash | !tell tremby about kernel-package |
| 00:46.14 | maddash | !tell tremby about kpmantra |
| 00:46.24 | maddash | !tell tremby about kp mantra |
| 00:46.32 | tremby | that sounds a little too tricky for me |
| 00:46.50 | Jla4ko | h3sp4wn do you know wher can i read how to make this |
| 00:46.57 | maddash | tremby: hardly. kernel-package dumbs down everything about kernel compilation. |
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| 00:47.11 | jetlaw | !tell maddash how to tell somebody -about search |
| 00:47.20 | maddash | jetlaw: fuck off. |
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| 00:47.25 | jetlaw | :) |
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| 00:47.32 | maddash | jetlaw: not to mention that it gave off nothing. |
| 00:47.41 | jetlaw | of course it didn't |
| 00:47.51 | tremby | maddash: there isn't anything i can just apt-get? something like enable sid, upgrade kernel, go back to lenny? |
| 00:47.56 | jetlaw | do you see anybody named maddash how to tell somebody ? |
| 00:48.13 | maddash | jetlaw: ah, you were being sarcastic. in that case, *pat on back*. |
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| 00:48.22 | maddash | jetlaw: and that last sentence made no sense. |
| 00:48.41 | jetlaw | let me rephrase, or re punctuate rather: |
| 00:48.53 | jetlaw | do you see anybody named: "maddash how to tell somebody" ? |
| 00:49.28 | Supaplex | enough trolling already |
| 00:49.36 | maddash | tremby: I doubt it. it is possible to download the debs for linux-image-[blah], and fiddle with the internal debian/control to avoid having to switch to sid entirely, but that's far more involved than kernel-package. |
| 00:49.36 | jetlaw | how big do flash sticks get nowadays |
| 00:49.48 | Supaplex | " this big " |
| 00:49.54 | jetlaw | memsticks, usb drives, whatever... |
| 00:50.04 | tremby | maddash: ok, thanks. i'll have a go at compiling it. |
| 00:50.56 | maddash | jetscreamer: hm, didn't know it was you. if you're going to poke fun at me, do it under this nick so that I know it's actually, "fun" |
| 00:51.15 | jetscreamer | that is my 'watching law&order' nick |
| 00:51.30 | maddash | jetscreamer: svu? CI? |
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| 00:51.55 | jetscreamer | course i was really cleaning out the garage... i'm done with 'ny'.. i'm on season 4 of svu, then comes ci |
| 00:52.18 | jetscreamer | well really on the last epi of season 3 |
| 00:52.52 | maddash | bwahaha, you've been deprived of some pretty good stuff. my tip: skip straight to season 7 |
| 00:53.15 | maddash | as for ci, don't bother with anything after season 5 -- it's utter garbage. |
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| 00:54.50 | maddash | isn't there some way to view the contents of my virtual memory in terms of the binary images loaded (shared libs included)? |
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| 00:55.32 | Supaplex | like lsof? |
| 00:55.56 | maddash | Supaplex: lsof does files, right? what does that have to do with VM? |
| 00:56.11 | Supaplex | nothing. |
| 00:56.39 | jetscreamer | lsom? |
| 00:56.47 | maddash | lsof would only work if the libs are loaded as files; could work. |
| 00:56.58 | maddash | jetscreamer: 'lsom'? |
| 00:57.01 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 00:57.10 | jetscreamer | lsos(wap) |
| 00:57.25 | maddash | rofl http://www.google.com/search?q=lsos&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
| 00:57.36 | maddash | The London School of Striptease |
| 00:57.45 | Supaplex | oh geeze |
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| 00:59.07 | \amethyst | maddash: maybe something like grep -h '^[^ ]* .-x.' /proc/*/maps | sort -k6 | uniq -c -f 1 |
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| 01:00.37 | \amethyst | maddash: for all nonwriteable, executable maps, grouped by filename and prefixed with a count |
| 01:02.47 | maddash | \amethyst: spiffy. /proc contains a folder for every process in the system? |
| 01:02.55 | Supaplex | yes maddash :) |
| 01:03.28 | tremby | maddash: i can't get the 2.6.22 source with apt-get source (i believe) because it isn't in lenny. i've downloaded the source deb file from the debian mirror site and now don't know how to unpack it. |
| 01:03.46 | maddash | tremby: didn't you say you were going to compile your own kernel? |
| 01:04.06 | Supaplex | !4096543-3118112 |
| 01:04.07 | dpkg | 978431 |
| 01:04.09 | tremby | maddash: yeah, and the first step of the howto you pointed me to is get the source |
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| 01:04.36 | maddash | tremby: from kernel.org, not from a deb repo |
| 01:04.56 | maddash | tremby: because the kernel you're looking for exists in a repo that is incompatible to your system |
| 01:05.09 | tremby | oh, i see |
| 01:06.17 | maddash | tremby: go read up some how to on kernel compiling; in the meantime, execute "adduser `whoami` src" and logout/in |
| 01:06.22 | CartoonCat | weee! progress, sorta | when startx, API mismatch kernel module = v 7184 while X module = v 8776 |
| 01:06.34 | nvz | maddash: eww |
| 01:06.48 | nvz | maddash: people get smited in here for less.. heh |
| 01:07.25 | maddash | tremby: followed by, "cd /usr/src ; wget [URL to kernel 2.6.22]" |
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| 01:07.34 | nvz | use of backticks is frowned upon by many |
| 01:07.47 | CartoonCat | Is there a known/aproved method for completely cleaning out the nvidia crap and starting clean(ish) |
| 01:07.57 | nvz | $() is a bit more obvious |
| 01:08.04 | nvz | than just using `` |
| 01:08.13 | tremby | maddash: i'm fine with the getting the source bit now. add root to src group? |
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| 01:08.31 | Supaplex | tremby: no, compile the kernel as a normal user. |
| 01:08.32 | nvz | tremby: no, add your user |
| 01:08.41 | nvz | tremby: you should not compile anything as root, ever |
| 01:08.44 | maddash | tremby: unpack the kernel you've downloaded inside of /usr/src, and then, "cd /usr/src/[kernel name]; cp /boot/config-`uname -r` ; make oldconfig ; make-kpkg --initrd [if you need one] kernel_image" |
| 01:08.57 | maddash | tremby: add yourself to src. root is already in src. |
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| 01:09.16 | tremby | maddash: but only root can adduser. whoami for root would return root |
| 01:09.22 | maddash | nvz: so sue me. my shift key is going to last longer than yours, anyway. |
| 01:09.32 | nvz | I am fairly certain you can leave out those steps as make-kpkg understands --config=oldconfig |
| 01:09.48 | nvz | maddash: haha.. but my eyes will last longer than yours |
| 01:09.51 | maddash | tremby: you're right. "su -c 'adduser tremby src' " |
| 01:10.08 | nvz | maddash: I got two shift keys... and keyboards are easier to replace than eyeballs |
| 01:10.25 | maddash | nvz: wtf are you talking about? |
| 01:10.56 | nvz | its easier to read and understand $(cmd) than `cmd` |
| 01:11.04 | maddash | nvz: "`" is there, so why wouldn't i use it? |
| 01:11.07 | h3sp4wn | `` is more portable |
| 01:11.19 | nvz | depending on font and size, ` ' and " all look the same |
| 01:11.22 | Supaplex | `` is eaisly confused with '' |
| 01:11.29 | nvz | and depending how you use em it can really get confusing |
| 01:12.04 | Supaplex | $(foo $(bar $(baz $(dog $(sheep $(cat $(barn $(chicken))))))) |
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| 01:13.11 | nvz | `foo "$bar"` or $(foo "$bar") is another example |
| 01:13.18 | maddash | nvz: you're right. which is why I always use "\"" or " ' " to contain bash commands sent here. it's understood by everyone that they should be removed before being executed. |
| 01:13.19 | nvz | but year that method nests better too |
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| 01:14.02 | nvz | I'm not sure if you even can nest the backticks.. and if you can it'd be fugly |
| 01:14.26 | maddash | tremby: if 'make oldconfig' starts throwing questions, just hit [enter] to go with the defaults |
| 01:14.27 | Supaplex | ${foo${bar}} could get fun. :) |
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| 01:14.41 | Supaplex | yes "" | make oldconfig ;) |
| 01:15.21 | Wyzard | looks like GNOME 2.20 uses the monitor's real DPI for font rasterization, rather than assuming 96 all the time... I'm glad |
| 01:16.17 | mxrev | what is the difference between the debootstrap and cdebootstrap packages? |
| 01:16.31 | tremby | does 2.6.22 have an eta in lenny? |
| 01:16.35 | Supaplex | mxrev: perl vs c |
| 01:17.20 | h3sp4wn | shell vs c (debootstrap has better docs though) |
| 01:17.26 | mxrev | Supaplex: interesting. why did someone write debootstrap in c? |
| 01:17.41 | streuner | tremby: /msg dpkg wir |
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| 01:17.46 | nvz | man I need to build a better spider.. these shortcommings in my scripts are getting really old |
| 01:17.53 | mxrev | to remove the dependency on perl? |
| 01:18.05 | Supaplex | sounds plausable. |
| 01:18.09 | tremby | streuner: fair. |
| 01:18.19 | Wyzard | According to the debtags, debootstrap is implemented in shell, not perl |
| 01:18.21 | ultrasparc- | When installing a new kernel image is it possible to force non-smp? |
| 01:18.29 | stiv2k | where can i find social commentary (like pictures and whatnot) online? |
| 01:18.35 | maddash | ultrasparc-: without recompiling? no. |
| 01:18.38 | tremby | i think i'll wait rather than try to compile it now. thanks anyway maddash but i need to spend my time right now on something else. |
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| 01:19.05 | maddash | ultrasparc-: for the sake of optimizing your kernel? insignificant and unadvisable. |
| 01:19.12 | Wyzard | ultrasparc-: You can use boot-time kernel parameters to tell the kernel to ignore all but the first processor, but it'll still have the SMP support compiled into it |
| 01:19.18 | nvz | some interesting issues to address are better auth support for protected sites, and support for drones.. i.e. I can tell my spider to do something and have it connect to other boxes and split tasks between them and do load balancing |
| 01:19.43 | maddash | ultrasparc-: to continue Wyzard's advice: use 'isolcpus=#' |
| 01:20.16 | Wyzard | hmm, I haven't heard of that one... I was thinking of "maxcpus", and I think "nosmp" is equivalent to "maxcpus=1" |
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| 01:20.21 | ultrasparc- | I will go the boot parameter route. Is that parameter part of menu.1st? |
| 01:20.23 | mxrev | right, shell. why the two versions though? |
| 01:20.26 | Wyzard | but I could be wrong; I've only done it once, and it was months ago |
| 01:20.31 | Wyzard | ultrasparc-: Why do you want to disable SMP? |
| 01:20.34 | maddash | \amethyst: that command really is neat. is there some doc on what the columns besides the first two from the left stand for? |
| 01:20.54 | maddash | Wyzard: isolcpus isolates cpu# from the general scheduler. |
| 01:21.12 | ultrasparc- | I don't have a valid reason yet, but I want to remove any suspicions that it is causing a problem with software raid that is running. |
| 01:21.39 | Wyzard | ultrasparc-: That's unlikely... I'm using software RAID-5 with encryption and LVM on a Core 2 Duo and it's been working fine since January |
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| 01:23.28 | ultrasparc- | I think my problem is hardware related, or maybe an insue with some unstable packages. A clean install of etch then upgrade to unstable is causing many programs to segfault intermitently, and I often receive strange no_remap/recursive errors related to paging in messages. |
| 01:23.52 | ultrasparc- | Running a Cedar Mill pentium 4 - that is being picked up as smp. |
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| 01:24.26 | Wyzard | ultrasparc-: Hyperthreading looks like SMP to the operating system |
| 01:25.32 | Wyzard | ultrasparc-: Consider running memtest |
| 01:25.32 | DocPlatypus | or put another way, it's two CPU cores inside one package |
| 01:25.58 | Wyzard | DocPlatypus: Not quite... hyperthreading is one core that can maintain two execution contexts at the same time |
| 01:26.44 | DocPlatypus | how exactly does it differ from having two actual separate cores? |
| 01:27.05 | pipeline | DocPlatypus: performance sucks shit |
| 01:27.05 | Wyzard | It's still only one core worth of instruction decoder, ALUs, cache, etc. |
| 01:27.10 | maddash | sudo modpr uhci-hcd |
| 01:27.17 | ultrasparc- | I dont believe it can execute more than one instruction. |
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| 01:27.19 | pipeline | DocPlatypus: One core faking being two cores is usually slower than one core not f aking it :P |
| 01:27.23 | pipeline | ultrasparc-: It can't. |
| 01:27.49 | pipeline | ultrasparc-: It's just telling the OS to overschedule it. It was a desperate ploy to hide the obscene cache-bubble costs in netburst. |
| 01:27.51 | ultrasparc- | Wyzard: Etch net install cd have memtest? |
| 01:27.55 | pipeline | ultrasparc-: hyperthreading didn't work well on the P4 :P |
| 01:27.57 | Wyzard | The idea is that a core can stall sometimes due to instruction dependencies, so it's idle for a few cycles; with hyperthreading it can just run instructions from another task during that time |
| 01:28.09 | pipeline | Wyzard: a "few" cycles? Try 26, as a minimum. |
| 01:28.24 | Wyzard | ultrasparc-: dunno if it's runnable from the CD directly, but you can install it on the hard drive |
| 01:28.27 | pipeline | Wyzard: NetBurst P4s spent most of their time waiting on L2 cache or memory. |
| 01:28.33 | Wyzard | ultrasparc-: If you have an Ubuntu CD around, you can run memtest from that |
| 01:28.36 | pipeline | Wyzard: a bad branch prediction had a 26 cycle minimum penalty |
| 01:28.38 | Wyzard | pipeline: hehe |
| 01:28.50 | pipeline | Wyzard: too deep a pipeline |
| 01:28.52 | Wyzard | pipeline: That's why Intel scrapped NetBurst :-) |
| 01:29.00 | Wyzard | pipeline: yes, you are quite deep |
| 01:29.17 | pipeline | Wyzard: yeah, but netburst was such a bad idea, it should never have been on the market. Hooray for excess market power :D |
| 01:30.04 | Wyzard | pipeline: Well, it's understandable... they were playing the MHz game at the time |
| 01:30.09 | ultrasparc- | Know of any memtest equivalent that I don't need a cd-rom for. I really dont want to put one in the machine right now... :P |
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| 01:30.23 | Wyzard | ultrasparc-: You already have Debian on the machine, right? |
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| 01:30.33 | Wyzard | ultrasparc-: As long as the machine isn't completely unusable, you can install the memtest86 package |
| 01:30.43 | ultrasparc- | Ah, sorry, I just noticed it as a package. |
| 01:31.01 | Wyzard | ultrasparc-: After running update-grub (which I think it does automatically), you'll have a new entry for it on your GRUB menu |
| 01:31.19 | Wyzard | ultrasparc-: Consider memtest86+ instead of memtest86, though I don't know what the actual difference is |
| 01:31.40 | ultrasparc- | Installed +, thanks for the help everyone, will see if it turns up anything. |
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| 01:37.36 | pipeline | Wyzard: yeah, but it was a Bad Idea. If there hadn't been competition to eat their lunch, we wouldn't have the performance we have today :) |
| 01:38.09 | Supaplex | hey, should a wireless usb optical mouse work fine with a ps/2 adapter? |
| 01:38.26 | maddash | \amethyst: pmap!!!!!!!!! |
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| 01:40.41 | ultrasparc- | Thanks for the advice, memtest identified numerous errors :) |
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| 01:41.04 | Supaplex | ultrasparc-: donate the suxory ram to me :) |
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| 01:41.22 | maddash | Supaplex: what's wrong with it? |
| 01:41.45 | ultrasparc- | If you really want it, by all means, free for pick up :) |
| 01:42.06 | Supaplex | ultrasparc- where are you? |
| 01:42.30 | Supaplex | besides, what type of ram is it? |
| 01:43.02 | ultrasparc- | Ottawa |
| 01:43.53 | wols_ | Supaplex: mine does. usb mouse connected via ps2 adatpter. wireless and optical |
| 01:44.10 | Supaplex | hummmm.. |
| 01:44.14 | ultrasparc- | 2x256 ddr 400 |
| 01:45.17 | Wyzard | hmm, the new gnome-power-manager is failing to suspend on my laptop |
| 01:45.30 | Wyzard | "Policy timeout is not valid. Please wait a few seconds and try again." |
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| 01:46.17 | Supaplex | ultrasparc-: I'll send you a s.a.s.e. for firstclass mail (unless you're in utah, then I could pick it up). email me your address cvgscote@hotmail.com - I have one pathetic use case I want to try with it. =) |
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| 01:48.08 | Wyzard | Supaplex: Only if the mouse is designed to support the adapter |
| 01:48.31 | Supaplex | awwwweee fooey. thanks Wyzard, good point. |
| 01:48.33 | ixion | anyone here familiar with cisco routers? |
| 01:48.39 | atoponce | how easy is it to get a working mac os x installation in a vm on sid? |
| 01:48.41 | Wyzard | Supaplex: Those USB-to-PS/2 adapters don't actually do any protocol conversion; they send a signal back to the mouse to tell it to speak the PS/2 protocol instead of USB |
| 01:48.45 | Supaplex | ixion: they power the internets |
| 01:49.05 | ixion | yeah.... I need help understanding something about them though |
| 01:49.08 | ixion | so I can configure one |
| 01:49.10 | Supaplex | atoponce: have you read the EULA? |
| 01:49.25 | atoponce | Supaplex: to... mac os x? |
| 01:50.08 | Supaplex | atoponce: yes. their eula forbids install on non apple hardware. I have two copies that I should just resell now you remind me of it. :) |
| 01:50.26 | atoponce | Supaplex: of what version? tiger? |
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| 01:50.38 | Wyzard | Supaplex: but what about Debian running on a Mac? :-) |
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| 01:51.03 | Supaplex | debian's fine. runs on my ibook with ease. |
| 01:51.07 | Wyzard | Supaplex: i.e. x86 Mac -> Debian -> VMware -> OSX |
| 01:51.45 | Wyzard | Supaplex: I wonder if they'd consider that to be a violation of the EULA -- is it the real hardware that counts, or the virtual hardware? |
| 01:52.23 | Supaplex | call them and ask. |
| 01:52.26 | atoponce | of course, vista denies running dual boot, but do you think that's stopping anyone? |
| 01:52.38 | Supaplex | what's vista? ;) |
| 01:52.44 | atoponce | exactly |
| 01:52.54 | Supaplex | oh yea, it's the suck. now I remember. |
| 01:52.57 | DocPlatypus | well that's obnoxious of Apple, to tell people "you can't run our software without buying our hardware" |
| 01:52.58 | Wyzard | atoponce: Basic and Home Premium forbid running in a VM, but I haven't heard anything about them forbidding dual-booting |
| 01:53.08 | atoponce | you still haven't answered my question. what version of os x would you be selling? |
| 01:53.20 | Supaplex | I agree DocPlatypus. that's why I'm liquidating my copies of it. grr. |
| 01:53.24 | DocPlatypus | Wyzard: do they actually check or is it just in the EULA? |
| 01:53.30 | Supaplex | atoponce: tiger x86 |
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| 01:53.36 | DocPlatypus | and how the hell do they tell real hardware from virutalized? |
| 01:53.44 | atoponce | Supaplex: how much? |
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| 01:54.03 | Wyzard | DocPlatypus: From what I've read, it's just in the EULA, but I don't have Vista so I haven't tested it firsthand |
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| 01:55.03 | ShadowPhoenix | I just replaced my motherboard, CPU and RAM, and now Debian drops me to shell complaining that there is no /hdd/hdc1 |
| 01:55.22 | ShadowPhoenix | Should I mount my HDD and then just change grub for it to boot? |
| 01:55.50 | Wyzard | ShadowPhoenix: Most likely your new motherboard has a different IDE controller whose driver (in recent kernels) presents drives as sd* rather than hd* |
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| 01:56.40 | ccvp | hello fellow linux addicts |
| 01:56.42 | ccvp | hows life? |
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| 01:56.46 | ShadowPhoenix | How can I fix that? Right now I have the system right next to me |
| 01:57.15 | ShadowPhoenix | Or do I need to reboot and change grub? |
| 01:57.35 | Wyzard | ShadowPhoenix: Edit the root= parameter when booting and that should get it started |
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| 01:58.06 | Wyzard | ShadowPhoenix: If your /etc/fstab points to other on-disk filesystems besides the root, you might get dropped to a shell when fsck complains it can't find them, but you can use that shell to edit /etc/fstab and reboot |
| 01:58.07 | ShadowPhoenix | Wyzard: thank you for the hint, will try it in a second :) |
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| 01:58.29 | apeitheo_ | I used the netinst cd, and when it came up with the options of what package selections I wanted, it said only "base system" or whatever was available--why? |
| 01:59.36 | maddash | apeitheo_: er, boot into the base system and install the packages you want? |
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| 02:00.03 | maddash | stew: why the ban? |
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| 02:00.52 | apeitheo_ | maddash: so it doesn't do it on the cd? |
| 02:01.08 | maddash | apeitheo_: what exactly do you want? |
| 02:01.24 | apeitheo_ | maddash: well it would have been nice to have been presented with a list of software during the installation |
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| 02:02.19 | aredhel | exit |
| 02:02.51 | apeitheo_ | maddash: isn't that what it's _supposed_ to do? |
| 02:03.48 | maddash | apeitheo_: tell me, does your supermarket cook your chicken thighs for you, too? |
| 02:04.16 | apeitheo_ | maddash: if the supermarket advertises that it does, then when I walk in, I expect it to |
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| 02:04.41 | maddash | apeitheo_: then it should be clear to you how the netinst works |
| 02:04.43 | apeitheo_ | maddash: normally I wouldn't, but if it says on the sign "WE COOK YOUR CHICKEN THIGHS FOR YOU; FREE", then yes, I would expect that. |
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| 02:05.51 | apeitheo_ | maddash: "You would initially download only a small portion of Debian required to start the installation process, and then install whatever else you want from within the installation program." |
| 02:06.16 | apeitheo_ | maddash: emphasis on "from within the installation program.", directly from http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 02:06.17 | maddash | DAMMIT! what's this fucking obsession with libdbus that's come over the PacMans lately? |
| 02:07.05 | maddash | apeitheo_: you've two options, once the base sys is installed. 1) chroot into /target and start apt-getting your stuff, 2) reboot into your base sys and start apt-getting your stuff |
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| 02:07.28 | maddash | "apt-getting" here means "aptitude install [clutter]" and/or "tasksel" |
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| 02:08.30 | itrebal | where can I find out how a package was compiled? |
| 02:08.37 | itrebal | (with what flags) |
| 02:08.46 | maddash | itrebal: -Wall -g -O2 |
| 02:08.52 | itrebal | err |
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| 02:08.57 | maddash | itrebal: so generic that it's worthless |
| 02:09.10 | itrebal | maddash: I mean, in the configure process |
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| 02:09.39 | apeitheo_ | maddash: are you sure that's how it works? |
| 02:10.04 | maddash | itrebal: 'mkdir [clutterdump] && cd [clutterdump] ; apt-get source [random package] ' and check out the file debian/rules |
| 02:10.52 | apeitheo_ | maddash: to me, that seems like it's equivalent to the website saying "provides an easy way to partition your drives," and in reality it expects you to switch to a virtual terminal, login, and use fdisk? |
| 02:10.54 | maddash | apeitheo_: no, I'm secretly trying to throw you off and land your base sys into ubuntu-land |
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| 02:11.45 | maddash | apeitheo_: the "within the installation program" probably referred to tasksel |
| 02:12.05 | ShadowPhoenix | How do I find out what is my hd(0,1) in normal /dev/sdX terms? |
| 02:12.06 | apeitheo_ | maddash: but debian is making a graphical installer? |
| 02:12.17 | apeitheo_ | maddash: new users aren't going to know to use tasksel? |
| 02:12.20 | itrebal | thanks, maddash |
| 02:12.21 | maddash | apeitheo_: refers*. you were given an option after the base sys was installed to download stuff appropriate to 'Desktop,' 'laptop,' 'web,' etc |
| 02:12.38 | apeitheo_ | maddash: if debian expects that you know that, why the hell would they write a new graphical installer for new users? |
| 02:12.54 | maddash | apeitheo_: if you want the graphical installer, look through the F1-F5 guide presented at "boot:" |
| 02:12.55 | itrebal | "Could not connect to volatile.debian.net:80 (192.54.42.193). - connect (111 Connection refused)" woops |
| 02:13.03 | apeitheo_ | maddash: but the graphical installer does the same thing...? |
| 02:13.04 | Supaplex | oh noes. :P |
| 02:13.23 | Nyle | hola |
| 02:13.25 | maddash | apeitheo_: no, it also toasts your nuptials for you |
| 02:13.39 | nvz | Nyle: howdy |
| 02:13.43 | apeitheo_ | maddash: ? |
| 02:13.44 | maddash | apeitheo_: essentially, yes |
| 02:13.50 | Wyzard | That does seem weird to me... tasksel should work normally on a netinstall |
| 02:14.09 | apeitheo_ | maddash: just to let you know, I'm almost considering going back to slackware just because of the reception I'm receiving in here |
| 02:14.36 | maddash | apeitheo_: this is what I recall when I installed lenny earlier this year, so my info could be outdated |
| 02:14.36 | apeitheo_ | maddash: not that you probably care--you're probably glad that I'm saying that |
| 02:14.47 | nvz | apeitheo_: bah.. don't let that get to you |
| 02:15.00 | ShadowPhoenix | What is the alternitive to fdisk -l in grub? |
| 02:15.05 | nvz | apeitheo_: first of all this isnt even the official debian support channel anymore.. you could at least try there first |
| 02:15.23 | apeitheo_ | nvz: where is the official channel? |
| 02:15.29 | Nyle | oftc |
| 02:15.35 | Nyle | !oftc |
| 02:15.36 | dpkg | well, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 02:15.38 | apeitheo_ | Nyle: okay, thanks, I'll try there. |
| 02:15.39 | nvz | apeitheo_: irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) |
| 02:15.43 | Nyle | !#debian |
| 02:15.43 | dpkg | [#debian] home sweet home! :) |
| 02:15.47 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 02:15.57 | Nyle | fucking useless bot :( |
| 02:16.14 | maddash | what a fucking moron |
| 02:16.21 | nvz | heh, calm down :P |
| 02:16.22 | Nyle | what happened? |
| 02:16.32 | nvz | Nyle: unhappy customer |
| 02:16.39 | Nyle | ahh |
| 02:16.48 | Nyle | didn't wanna help himself eh |
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| 02:16.59 | nvz | Idk I wasn't paying attention |
| 02:17.01 | streuner | hrhr |
| 02:17.03 | maddash | he saw the sign on the supermarket that said, "indoor deli," and expected to find fillet mignon |
| 02:17.06 | stew | maddash: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. name calling isn't going to be tollerated |
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| 02:17.36 | maddash | stew: please. it's not "name-calling" when done in posterity. |
| 02:17.39 | nvz | I just tried to make him realize this channel doesnt represent debian, and he shouldn't give up based on one person in this channel |
| 02:17.42 | streuner | Nyle: How about to change the factoid, if needed :-) |
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| 02:18.03 | Nyle | streuner, working on i |
| 02:18.05 | Nyle | it |
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| 02:19.44 | CartoonCat | anyone know how to directly determine the version of nvidia-glx that is being loaded? glxinfo segfaults |
| 02:19.52 | streuner | !beer stew |
| 02:20.08 | nvz | man, ff scripts can be really .... s l o w... sometimes |
| 02:20.17 | streuner | CartoonCat: How about to run "dpkg -l nvidia-glx"? |
| 02:20.34 | Manoj | CartoonCat: if you have installed the official version, then dpkg -l nvidia-glx works |
| 02:20.51 | ShadowPhoenix | How can I find out the harddrive types in a (initramfs) debian shell? |
| 02:21.03 | CartoonCat | streuner i know what one should be installed, im trying to check to see if there is a stale lib |
| 02:21.37 | Supaplex | ShadowPhoenix: cat /proc/partitions provided the drivers are loaded. |
| 02:22.18 | streuner | Manoj: Is there a special reason why you joined us today? |
| 02:22.22 | ShadowPhoenix | sweet, it worked!!! |
| 02:22.26 | ShadowPhoenix | Thank you Supaplex! :D |
| 02:22.30 | Manoj | streuner: bored |
| 02:22.36 | streuner | hm |
| 02:22.44 | ShadowPhoenix | now it tells me that superblock last mount is in the future :O!? |
| 02:22.53 | Supaplex | check your time :) |
| 02:23.02 | Manoj | and work deadline pressure has eased up a bit, but will pick up again at the end of the month |
| 02:23.07 | ShadowPhoenix | 9:23pm here... |
| 02:23.19 | CartoonCat | that only returned the package that is in the archive, 8776 is not loaded (per apt-get remove its not isntalled) |
| 02:23.33 | Manoj | ShadowPhoenix: type in date. and see what your computer thinks the time is |
| 02:23.50 | ShadowPhoenix | oh okay |
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| 02:24.16 | Manoj | CartoonCat: where did you get nvidia-glx from, then, if it was noit from the debian package? |
| 02:24.41 | ShadowPhoenix | 2002?? |
| 02:24.45 | ShadowPhoenix | But that's in the past! |
| 02:24.52 | Manoj | CartoonCat: Also, look at /var/log/Xorg.log.0; perhaps there is a version number in the logs |
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| 02:25.20 | Manoj | ShadowPhoenix: If your computer thinks it is in 2002; then most files will have time stamps in the future, no? |
| 02:25.21 | N0S3 | i havn't nothing on /proc/acpi/thermal_zone ....why? i need some package? |
| 02:25.32 | CartoonCat | Manoj thats the thing, i didnt install the n-glx, i installed the -legacy, which is in the xorg log |
| 02:25.36 | ShadowPhoenix | oh |
| 02:25.43 | ShadowPhoenix | so should I just fix the time? |
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| 02:26.14 | Manoj | CartoonCat: ok. if you have the legacy installed, then the description tells you all kinds of stuff |
| 02:26.31 | ShadowPhoenix | and now it thinks that I got IPv6 for some reason |
| 02:26.33 | CartoonCat | for what ever reason both the nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-legacy debs are downloaded, and dpkg (and apt) agree that -legacy is the installed version (7184-3) |
| 02:26.39 | abrotman | ShadowPhoenix: do you by chance have a flux capacitor plugged into your USB port? |
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| 02:26.54 | Manoj | apt-cache show nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx, and so on |
| 02:27.02 | dendrite | I didn't know you could get USB flux caps. |
| 02:27.16 | \amethyst | I've only seen them in ISA |
| 02:27.44 | ShadowPhoenix | Flax capactitors?!? |
| 02:27.45 | Manoj | apt-cache show nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx; shows: Version: 1.0.7185-4 |
| 02:27.57 | ShadowPhoenix | nope, my 2 USB ports are empty.... |
| 02:28.21 | CartoonCat | odd, for me its 1.0.7184-3 |
| 02:28.23 | \amethyst | ShadowPhoenix: you're seriously out of linen there |
| 02:28.37 | Manoj | streuner: Also, there were a bunch of people on -user who were all concerned about debian getting contaminated by SELinux |
| 02:29.02 | Manoj | streuner: apparently blissfully unaware that Etch was already infected |
| 02:29.07 | ShadowPhoenix | \amethyst: looks like I will have to get some more? :p |
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| 02:29.19 | Varange | hi |
| 02:29.48 | lfs | I switched cables on the computer and now Debian thinks that it is on sda instead of sdb |
| 02:29.58 | lfs | How do I fix that? |
| 02:30.07 | Varange | I installed Etch on my box, complete with exim. exim will send mail to the user accounts on the box, but not to external addresses. How do I make it do that? |
| 02:30.17 | Manoj | so I also stepped in to see if SELinux paronia extended out here in the channel |
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| 02:31.03 | streuner | Manoj: SELinux is rarely an issue here |
| 02:31.13 | stew | Manoj: it practically never gets any mention at all |
| 02:31.26 | Manoj | streuner: yeah, it rarely is on -user either |
| 02:31.54 | Manoj | but people there were all concerned about debian being tainted by evil nsa back doors |
| 02:32.12 | Manoj | ah well. |
| 02:32.48 | CartoonCat | those people need tinfoil hats, the NSA just fires off a CALEA request to the cellco/telco and forgets about the pc, hars |
| 02:32.59 | streuner | Varange: configure exim and use "smarthost" |
| 02:33.01 | Guerin | Manoj: haha |
| 02:33.11 | CartoonCat | Manoj so any other ideas about this? |
| 02:33.12 | Manoj | Varange: It has been ages since I did an Exim install (I am a sendmail man myself), but I know that other mta's ask when being installed about whether to set up a local only mailer, smart host based one, or a gfull server |
| 02:33.22 | abrotman | Varange: do you need to also receive emails on that host ? |
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| 02:33.34 | Varange | abrotman, no, just send |
| 02:33.39 | Manoj | Varange: if that is true for exim as well, which I vaguely recall, then dpkg-reconfigure exim might help |
| 02:33.47 | abrotman | Varange: yes .. use a smart host |
| 02:33.49 | leon_oscuro | hello |
| 02:33.51 | Varange | Manoj, ahh, thx |
| 02:33.55 | Guerin | exim4-config |
| 02:33.56 | Varange | abrotman, ty |
| 02:34.16 | lfs | When Debian updated the kernel it does it to sda instead of sdb. Anyone know how to fix that? |
| 02:34.16 | abrotman | !drec |
| 02:34.19 | Manoj | CartoonCat: apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-legacy-71xx; at the end of which, you can be sure which version is installed? |
| 02:34.20 | abrotman | !drec me |
| 02:34.20 | dpkg | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 02:34.26 | leon_oscuro | your have configured a modem 537Ep intel pci in debian etch? |
| 02:35.01 | leon_oscuro | i have windows xp, but like user GNU/Linux no Windows |
| 02:35.04 | CartoonCat | Manoj i basicly did that, removed, then installed, but ill try --reisntall |
| 02:35.06 | streuner | leon_oscuro: sounds like an internal modem? |
| 02:35.24 | Manoj | CartoonCat: what is the underlying problem? |
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| 02:35.47 | lfs | Should I reconfigure grub? |
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| 02:36.04 | leon_oscuro | struner i have a pci modem intel 537Ep in Mother Board BIOSTAR |
| 02:36.06 | Manoj | CartoonCat: I had to put nvidia-glx on hold in Sid right now, since nvidia-glx and xorg are mismatched, and a new nvidia-glx has not yet been uploaded |
| 02:36.27 | streuner | leon_oscuro: so onboard |
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| 02:36.47 | akiva | Hello everyone, I am having an error saying no screen found in Xorg, specifically Filed to load module GLCore (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 02:37.13 | akiva | This was all working before a system crash... Any idea how I can correct it? I have reinstalled fglrx driver |
| 02:37.23 | itrebal | whats the latest version of PHP in the debian repos? |
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| 02:37.40 | akiva | I have an ati radeon 9600.. It was working fine with Compiz-fusion before this |
| 02:37.52 | CartoonCat | Manoj, ill post it to paste bin, glxinfo segfaults and doesnt find a GLX extension for screen 0:0 (and NO i do not have nv loading, thats all google showed as a issue) |
| 02:37.55 | streuner | itrebal: use pdo to find out (/msg dpkg pdo) |
| 02:37.56 | Manoj | akiva: if it was working before a crash, and is not now, I would worry about the state of your filesystem |
| 02:38.12 | Varange | with "smarthost", do I need to specify another host that this one will send mail through? |
| 02:38.23 | akiva | manoj, and how would i go about testing that? it seems fine... (?) |
| 02:38.23 | streuner | yes |
| 02:38.34 | Manoj | CartoonCat: I think you have reached the limits of my competence in this area |
| 02:38.39 | streuner | !smarthost |
| 02:38.39 | dpkg | A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically your ISP SMTP server) which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server rather than directly to the recipient’s server. |
| 02:38.43 | Manoj | CartoonCat: perhaps it is time to file a bug report? |
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| 02:39.33 | Manoj | akiva: well, booting to single user mode, and running fsck on everything |
| 02:39.33 | CartoonCat | Manoj, mine too, i dunno that its a "bug" so much as just a mis configuration, but all the infos i read and the methods are all the same (deb way or nvidias way) |
| 02:39.44 | lfs | etc/fstab has the the wrong drive numbers |
| 02:39.57 | lfs | Should I just correct that, and everyone thing is fixed? |
| 02:40.02 | leon_oscuro | is mother board is biostar p4m800-m7 |
| 02:40.06 | akiva | Manoj: so restart into a single user mode and just run fsck? Pardon my ignorance |
| 02:40.07 | Manoj | CartoonCat: misconfiguration should not cause nvidia-glx to segfault |
| 02:40.14 | lfs | drive letters rather |
| 02:40.18 | Manoj | akiva: yes, that'll do it |
| 02:40.25 | CartoonCat | the only thing that really stick in my mind is that when installing it brings in the 2.6.18-5-k7 AND -486 kernels |
| 02:40.32 | Manoj | akiva: telinit might help (do a man telinit) |
| 02:40.48 | itrebal | gr.. where the hell did php 5.2.4 come from :/ |
| 02:40.57 | leon_oscuro | streuner is mother board is biostar p4m800-m7 |
| 02:40.57 | streuner | leon_oscuro: How about to take a look in your manual (mobo) and find out what chipset (modem) you have? |
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| 02:41.04 | Manoj | akiva: telinit 1 takes you to single user mode |
| 02:41.13 | akiva | Manoj: Okay, and let's assume everything seems fine.. How can I try to reconfigure whatever I need to for my video card |
| 02:41.25 | streuner | leon_oscuro: use groups.google.com what kind of driver you need |
| 02:41.37 | itrebal | streuner: I'm looking for it, but it says sid is the only one providing 5.2.4, but it doesn't look like I have anything unstahble or even testing in here |
| 02:41.40 | lfs | How is my system working with fstab all wrong? |
| 02:41.42 | Manoj | akiva: well, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is where the configuration happens |
| 02:42.07 | streuner | itrebal: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 02:42.14 | leon_oscuro | i buy this modem later of my computers |
| 02:42.32 | itrebal | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries ;;; http://paste2.org/p/7481 |
| 02:42.40 | Manoj | akiva: if you have read-edid, mdetect, discover/discover2 installed, then dexconf tries to generate a new file (cd /tmp and run dexconf; save a copy of current confirg) |
| 02:42.41 | streuner | leon_oscuro: hm, external ones are usually stuff with less headaches... |
| 02:42.46 | akiva | manoj: I will try the fsck and hope it all goes well. Then I will try to edit the xorg.conf, as the error report mentioned that file. I suppose it is possible there are some misconfigured lines |
| 02:42.54 | streuner | itrebal: /msg dpkg backports |
| 02:43.03 | Manoj | akiva: best of luck |
| 02:43.05 | akiva | Manoj: That all sounded greek to me. |
| 02:43.09 | akiva | Manoj: Thanks |
| 02:43.13 | itrebal | streuner: am I using backportsr? |
| 02:43.14 | leon_oscuro | streuner i living in venezuela, my inglish no es good |
| 02:43.25 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:43.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:43.53 | streuner | itrebal: well, look at backports.org, is there a backport or not |
| 02:44.21 | lfs | What does fstab do anyway? |
| 02:44.25 | akiva | exit |
| 02:44.31 | streuner | lfs: man fstab |
| 02:44.35 | itrebal | streuner: aye, the problem is I upgraded my system and it DID install php 5.2.4 |
| 02:44.43 | leon_oscuro | dpkg en debian-es no hay mucha ayuda |
| 02:44.46 | streuner | oh :-) |
| 02:44.53 | abrotman | leon_oscuro: dpkg is a bot |
| 02:44.57 | itrebal | hence my confusion |
| 02:45.22 | itrebal | and the answer to this can change where my next question is directed: why is the hardened-php patch (Suhosin) installed |
| 02:45.35 | lfs | So the first drive is mounted where the second drive is supposed to be? |
| 02:45.55 | Varange | I don't have a smarthost to send mail to. Is there still a way that Exim can send outgoing mail from my box? |
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| 02:46.14 | streuner | itrebal: that make no sense to me at all, only you have backports.org in your sources.list and it would exist a backport of PHP5 |
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| 02:46.18 | abrotman | Varange: is it a static IP ? |
| 02:46.20 | lfs | I have the wrong drive in fstab yet the system is functioning correctly |
| 02:46.24 | Varange | abrotman, yes |
| 02:46.33 | Varange | 202.191.43.2 |
| 02:46.48 | abrotman | Varange: you can try to set it up as an 'internet site' .. and then just firewall off port 25 |
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| 02:46.56 | Varange | abrotman, ok thx |
| 02:46.58 | streuner | Varange: "You say: exim, please use ISP mail server in order to send mails and NOT me" |
| 02:47.05 | Varange | abchirk2, brb |
| 02:47.20 | Varange | streuner, thx |
| 02:47.21 | itrebal | streuner: you mean, it makes no sense that it did install that, unless I were to have backports.org listed as a source, or I had manually installed a backport? |
| 02:47.54 | streuner | itrebal: just run "apt-cache policy <package>" |
| 02:48.30 | streuner | (to see where did that package come from) |
| 02:48.38 | streuner | s/did/this/ |
| 02:49.10 | itrebal | hrm.. |
| 02:49.17 | Varange | abrotman, thanks, works :) |
| 02:49.23 | itrebal | I have a feeling netmirror.org isn't an official mirror of Debian? |
| 02:49.48 | streuner | official mirrors are ftp.TLD.debian.org ... |
| 02:49.57 | itrebal | ok |
| 02:50.01 | streuner | secondary mirrors could be something else |
| 02:50.30 | lfs | I am just going to correct etc/fstab. I think that will fix everything. |
| 02:50.33 | lfs | Right? |
| 02:50.44 | streuner | best is always, use an official mirror, less headaches |
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| 02:52.05 | itrebal | aye |
| 02:53.18 | lfs | I edited grub, I forget do I have to do anything else |
| 02:53.18 | lfs | ? |
| 02:53.38 | lfs | Or does grub read menu.lst on boot? |
| 02:53.42 | itrebal | you need to run grub-install IIRC |
| 02:53.48 | abrotman | nope |
| 02:53.59 | itrebal | oh, thats lilo-install isn'it it |
| 02:53.59 | abrotman | lfs: should just read it |
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| 02:54.22 | streuner | you need to know about your bootloader, its essential in Linux (or it was) (lilo) |
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| 02:54.40 | abrotman | itrebal: no |
| 02:54.43 | streuner | very important, so read something about grub |
| 02:54.56 | itrebal | hrmm |
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| 02:55.04 | lfs | OK thanks |
| 02:55.54 | streuner | lfs: http://wiki.debian.org/GRUB?highlight=%28grub%29 |
| 02:56.07 | itrebal | I don't know if Debian does something different, but with Gentoo you have to run /sbin/lilo or grub-install |
| 02:56.38 | abrotman | itrebal: we already said no .. |
| 02:56.50 | abrotman | well .. with grub no |
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| 02:57.02 | itrebal | sorry, I meant "I don't know what debian does different" |
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| 02:57.17 | streuner | lfs: http://wiki.debian.org/GRUB?highlight=%28grub%29 |
| 02:57.23 | lfs | grub reads menu.lst, everything works now I think |
| 02:57.51 | guhhh | ive mounted my windows partition(ntfs) but i can read/execute the files... i need ntfs-3g? |
| 02:57.59 | streuner | !congratulate lfs |
| 02:58.00 | dpkg | Yay lfs, you did it! |
| 02:58.19 | streuner | lfs: but take a look at the URL above, it doesnt hurd ;-) |
| 02:58.24 | guhhh | !ntfs |
| 02:58.24 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 2 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and NTFS-3G, a FUSE driver able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the latter, ask me about <ntfs-3g>. See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
| 03:01.17 | streuner | apt, test |
| 03:01.18 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
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| 03:04.09 | factor | does debian.org have a rss feed? |
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| 03:05.20 | abrotman | for the news ? |
| 03:05.24 | factor | found it |
| 03:05.31 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.38 | factor | konq pulled it up does not have it on the main page |
| 03:05.48 | streuner | !qotd2 |
| 03:05.48 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
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| 03:10.23 | streuner | well, to unterstand the qotd2, you need to know that "mrvn" is DD ... |
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| 03:11.05 | Supaplex | I thought about modifying the factoid to s/mrvn/$nick/g for added fun :P |
| 03:11.08 | abrotman | but i don't think he was then |
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| 03:12.26 | streuner | !factinfo qotd2 |
| 03:12.26 | dpkg | qotd2 -- last modified at Sat Aug 7 04:04:01 2004 by peterS!~peterS~@adsl-66-138-124-254.dsl.wcfltx.swbell.net; it has been requested 190 times, last by streuner, 6m 38s ago. |
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| 03:16.30 | streuner | oh, 190 times since Aug 7, it seems its used every single day in the channels... |
| 03:16.48 | abrotman | uhm .. 2004 |
| 03:16.55 | streuner | haha |
| 03:17.16 | streuner | oh yeah, but 190 times is since 2004 a good result too |
| 03:17.54 | streuner | !moo |
| 03:17.55 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:18.09 | abrotman | !factinfo moo |
| 03:18.09 | dpkg | moo -- last modified at Sat Dec 23 15:21:36 2006 by Gnurdux!n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net; it has been requested 190 times, last by streuner, 15s ago. |
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| 03:18.17 | abrotman | everything is 190! |
| 03:18.22 | streuner | hehe |
| 03:18.47 | abrotman | screw that '42' stuff .. the answer is 190! |
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| 03:22.11 | guhhh | automatix |
| 03:22.13 | Varange | abrotman, please tell me again how I make a daemon start automatically at boot? |
| 03:22.14 | guhhh | !automatix |
| 03:22.14 | dpkg | Automatix is a Ubuntu Linux-only tool which allows a menu-driven installation of 44 different 'capabilities', including commercial closed source programs such as Flash plug-in, Acrobat Reader, w32 codecs (divx, mp3, wma), web core fonts as well as programming compilers and more. These items are not shipped with Ubuntu for legal or philosophical reasons. --Wikipedia. Ubuntu also dislikes it: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html |
| 03:22.23 | Varange | !rc |
| 03:22.23 | dpkg | i guess rc is Release-critical, or Release Candidate |
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| 03:22.52 | Varange | !rc.d |
| 03:22.52 | dpkg | Debian is not DeadRat. There is no /etc/rc.d/*. Everything you want is in /etc/*. try (on debian) 'man update-rc.d', or ask me about <red hat tools> |
| 03:23.14 | Varange | !update-rc.d |
| 03:23.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage. |
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| 03:27.35 | JJackBauer | hello! |
| 03:27.50 | sigger_ | Hi. I was trying to upgrade from php4 to php5 and I seem to have broken apache/php |
| 03:28.33 | sigger_ | I did apt-get install php5 and apt-get install libapache-mod-php5 |
| 03:28.34 | dendrite | sigger_: apache or apache2? |
| 03:28.35 | Alaric` | anyone got any tips for getting Debian 4.0r1 to install on a Thinkpad i1300? The ALi545x chipset has buggy ide, which I was able to work around on a Gentoo install by using "ide0=ata66 ide1=ata66 ide2=ata66 ide3=ata66", but I can't seem to get it accepted on netinst boot. |
| 03:28.49 | JJackBauer | My etch box can not recognize my dvdrom RW |
| 03:28.59 | sigger_ | then I restarted apache. No pages seem to load now |
| 03:28.59 | JJackBauer | I installed cdrecord and cdrdao |
| 03:29.01 | Alaric` | (primary symptom is I can boot from the CD, but then can't mount it as a base package source.) |
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| 03:29.19 | sigger_ | dendrite, I believe its apache, confirming |
| 03:29.21 | JJackBauer | load the module sg and scsi_mod |
| 03:29.35 | sigger_ | yep apache |
| 03:29.45 | JJackBauer | here is the output of "cdrecord -scanbus": |
| 03:29.45 | JJackBauer | scsibus0: |
| 03:29.45 | JJackBauer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.45 | JJackBauer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.45 | JJackBauer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.45 | JJackBauer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:30.10 | Supaplex | JJackBauer: 24 is too many. |
| 03:30.24 | JJackBauer | sorry |
| 03:30.33 | dendrite | sigger_: Well, I'd be wary of moving to apache2, but that *might* help. Or it might make a mess. |
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| 03:30.35 | Supaplex | does oracle support it? hehe |
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| 03:31.05 | sigger_ | dendrite, should I need to tho? I wouldn't have tried if I hadn't been told this was fairly easyt |
| 03:31.15 | JJackBauer | the output of "cdrecord -scanbus": |
| 03:31.16 | JJackBauer | scsibus0: |
| 03:31.16 | JJackBauer | 0,0,0 0) 'ATA ' 'WDC WD1600JS-75N' '10.0' Disk |
| 03:31.46 | JJackBauer | What does that output mean? |
| 03:31.49 | dendrite | sigger_: Sorry, I'm at the edge of what I know re apache and php. But it's a possible angle for further research. |
| 03:31.51 | Supaplex | JJackBauer: yes we saw already. btw, it means little c/o your issue. are these wav files you're trying to use for redbook audio? |
| 03:32.06 | sigger_ | dendrite, mmm, thanks tho |
| 03:32.22 | huhlig | hmm |
| 03:33.06 | JJackBauer | NO. The K3B or Gnomebaker can not recognize my dvdrom device, I'm not sure how to check if the kernle support it. |
| 03:34.00 | JJackBauer | also when I use "modprobe ide-scsi", it tells me "no such module" |
| 03:34.02 | Supaplex | JJackBauer: is it scsi? cdrecord (now wodim) has a different way to scan for ide + scsi now. |
| 03:34.11 | JJackBauer | does that mean I need to recompile the kernel? |
| 03:34.38 | Supaplex | no, ide-scsi is depreciated |
| 03:34.54 | Supaplex | wodim can use dev=/dev/hdc for instance. |
| 03:34.57 | JJackBauer | What should I do to get this info? |
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| 03:35.13 | Supaplex | is it scsi or atapi? |
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| 03:35.29 | JJackBauer | ATA |
| 03:35.33 | Supaplex | man wodim for the ways to enumerate devices. if it's atapi/ata, use dev=/dev/hdX |
| 03:35.35 | stew | sigger_: man apache-modconf |
| 03:36.34 | Supaplex | JJackBauer: back to your issue. chimpmunks? is the audio playing back too fast? is this redbook audio? (eg, for normal cdplayers) |
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| 03:36.41 | Alaric` | it's an IDE CDROM |
| 03:37.33 | Alaric` | should be /dev/hdc |
| 03:37.41 | Alaric` | but there is no /dev/hdc |
| 03:37.48 | Supaplex | it could be /dev/hd<anything> |
| 03:37.53 | Supaplex | check dmesg |
| 03:38.01 | Alaric` | only /dev/hda is found |
| 03:38.05 | stew | it could also be /dev/sd<anything> |
| 03:38.11 | Alaric` | hdcc is throwing lost interrupt errors |
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| 03:38.16 | Alaric` | er/ hdc |
| 03:38.17 | Supaplex | dmesg | grep -i atapi |
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| 03:38.31 | Supaplex | he said it was ata anyway. |
| 03:38.43 | sigger_ | thx stew. big learning curve, but sometimes ya gotta |
| 03:38.48 | Alaric` | I was able to work around this when I tried gentoo by setting all ide devices to ata66, but that's not working here |
| 03:39.21 | JJackBauer | sorry. back from checking. |
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| 03:39.37 | Supaplex | sounds like flakey hardware if you're making workarounds to burn cds |
| 03:39.40 | Alaric` | ide-cd is throwing timed-out errors, which is the same symptom I had when I tried gentoo on it |
| 03:39.48 | Supaplex | unless you're just doing it wrong. |
| 03:39.48 | JJackBauer | I was to burn some favroites into dvds. |
| 03:40.05 | S4nD3r | how discover the gtk version of my box? |
| 03:40.06 | Alaric` | oh, I'm not trying to burn anything |
| 03:40.12 | Alaric` | I'm trying to install |
| 03:40.18 | Alaric` | burned the CD on another machine |
| 03:40.43 | Alaric` | I can boot from the install CD in the drive, but once booted, I can't detect the drive any more to mount it |
| 03:40.56 | Supaplex | Alaric`: I though you were switch-hitting with JJackBauer since your issues appeared to be similar to begin with. nm :) |
| 03:41.03 | Alaric` | nope |
| 03:41.10 | Alaric` | never seen him before in my life ;) |
| 03:41.20 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 03:41.32 | JJackBauer | I need to get the burn worked, the device can not be recognized. |
| 03:42.14 | S4nD3r | how discover the gtk version of my box? |
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| 03:43.05 | JJackBauer | Supaplex: could you kindly tell me what module should be loaded into kernel for the recognition? |
| 03:43.13 | stew | S4nD3r: dpkg -l libgtk1.2 libgtk2.0-0 |
| 03:43.16 | Alaric` | hrm. it's just been suggested that I could try booting from a USB stick ... if this laptop supports that (I'm not certain it does) |
| 03:43.34 | stew | JJackBauer: ide-cd |
| 03:44.19 | S4nD3r | ii libgtk1.2 1.2.10-18 The GIMP Toolkit set of widgets for X |
| 03:44.21 | S4nD3r | ii libgtk2.0-0 2.8.20-7 The GTK+ graphical user interface library |
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| 03:45.14 | dendrite | Alaric`: Have you tried any of the boot arguments that are available? |
| 03:45.26 | S4nD3r | is installed gtk1.2 and gtk2.0 ? |
| 03:45.31 | stew | S4nD3r: yes |
| 03:45.38 | S4nD3r | umm |
| 03:45.41 | S4nD3r | its good ? |
| 03:45.46 | S4nD3r | or bad? |
| 03:45.52 | stew | neither |
| 03:45.57 | Alaric` | dendrite, yes, I'm using expertgui append="ide0=ata66 ide1=ata66 ide2=ata66 ide3=ata66" |
| 03:46.04 | Alaric` | which worked for gentoo |
| 03:46.05 | JJackBauer | Do I need to reboot after loading? The burning always asks me to insert a disk into DVD/RW |
| 03:46.05 | S4nD3r | 1.2 is need by gimp |
| 03:46.06 | stew | S4nD3r: its normal |
| 03:46.15 | stew | S4nD3r: no, gimp would be using 2.0-0 |
| 03:46.32 | S4nD3r | oh |
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| 03:47.01 | JJackBauer | I'll try to put "ide-cd" "sg" into /etc/modules to see what it willhappen |
| 03:47.05 | S4nD3r | I have a problem to use print function of eclipse IDE |
| 03:47.06 | Alaric` | bah. i1300 won't boot from a USB stick. |
| 03:47.16 | S4nD3r | its not available |
| 03:47.39 | Alaric` | hrm. gonna have to study this some more, see if I can find a workaround. |
| 03:48.18 | Supaplex | JJackBauer: maybe ide-cdrom |
| 03:48.19 | Alaric` | huh ...... actually .... I wonder if I could boot from Knoppix, which seems to load the CD OK, then ... no, that wouldn't work either. |
| 03:48.50 | Alaric` | ah well. I shall ponder and experiment, see what I can figure out. |
| 03:48.59 | Alaric` | later all. |
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| 03:49.20 | Supaplex | JJackBauer: nm ide-cdrom, it's ide-cd |
| 03:49.58 | JJackBauer | yes. no ide-cdrom module found |
| 03:50.01 | lfs | Set your bios to boot from the CD |
| 03:50.25 | S4nD3r | all other application I can use printer |
| 03:50.31 | S4nD3r | just in eclipse its not available |
| 03:50.43 | S4nD3r | i dunno how to use printer in eclipse IDE |
| 03:50.52 | JJackBauer | I can easily to scan the device in dmesg |
| 03:50.52 | JJackBauer | hda: HL-DT-ST DVD+/-RW GWA4164B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 03:50.52 | JJackBauer | hda: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33) |
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| 03:52.56 | Supaplex | JJackBauer: so it's /dev/hda |
| 03:53.08 | loopdee | whats the way to make my wireless eth0 be wlan0 |
| 03:53.49 | JJackBauer | yes. where should I put this parameter ? |
| 03:53.56 | S4nD3r | i dunno how to use printer in eclipse IDE |
| 03:54.34 | Supaplex | JJackBauer: man wodim. wodim [ general options ] dev=device [ track options ] track1...trackn |
| 03:54.47 | Supaplex | dev=device aka dev=/dev/hda |
| 03:54.57 | Supaplex | I'm not repeating it |
| 03:55.05 | S4nD3r | how to install gtk2.10 ? |
| 03:56.06 | Supaplex | S4nD3r: install something that needs it. or apt-get install libgtk2.0-0 |
| 03:56.10 | Supaplex | !tell S4nD3r -about search |
| 03:56.59 | Supaplex | loopdee: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 03:57.31 | dalias | is there a way to forcibly kill processes that are stuck in io that will never end? |
| 03:57.32 | S4nD3r | theres no 2.10 |
| 03:57.35 | dalias | (due to device problems) |
| 03:57.49 | Supaplex | dalias: not until it returns from the i/o call. |
| 03:58.03 | dalias | for some reason the io call never returns.. |
| 03:58.15 | dalias | is there a way to perform a full ide bus reset on a controller? |
| 03:58.23 | loopdee | Supaplex: thanks |
| 03:58.40 | dalias | or anything to make it realize the device is dead |
| 03:58.55 | dalias | the device in question is an evil optical drive |
| 03:59.14 | dalias | i'm never buying another internal optical drive because they all do this. with usb at least it's easy to kill them when they misbehave... |
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| 03:59.37 | loopdee | Supaplex: would this change on a reboot ? |
| 03:59.44 | Supaplex | dalias: is the media fubar? dma can deadlock in those situations (from my observation) |
| 03:59.50 | loopdee | nm |
| 04:00.00 | dalias | supaplex, it got stuck on some media it didn't too much like |
| 04:00.08 | Supaplex | loopdee: yes, but it'll change sooner if you shutdown the interface and reload the module |
| 04:00.11 | dalias | (happens rather often, and seems to happen more as drives age...) |
| 04:00.31 | dalias | i force-ejected the media but the kernel won't realize it's gone |
| 04:00.33 | Supaplex | dalias: yea, D processes are the suck. |
| 04:01.31 | Supaplex | dalias: I'm not sure if that's an x86/x64 related issue, or if that's a computing problem in general. it's not restricted to Linux |
| 04:01.59 | S4nD3r | umm |
| 04:02.07 | S4nD3r | maybe installing gnome 2.16? |
| 04:02.11 | dalias | well i was just asking if there's a way to do a forced bus reset or something |
| 04:02.37 | Supaplex | no, not that I'm aware of |
| 04:03.08 | S4nD3r | gnome 2.20 |
| 04:03.09 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 04:03.27 | dalias | :( |
| 04:03.38 | S4nD3r | how to install gnome 2.20 ? |
| 04:04.23 | Supaplex | !gnome |
| 04:04.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 04:04.30 | Supaplex | !install gnome |
| 04:04.30 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
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| 04:07.43 | dalias | ok time to cut power to the device then :) |
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| 04:08.37 | dalias | that did it :) |
| 04:09.02 | dalias | and the device is back usable |
| 04:09.44 | Supaplex | dalias: daring... :P |
| 04:10.06 | dalias | i'm going to wire my reset switch to a relay to cut power to the cd drive... |
| 04:10.10 | dalias | because this happens so often |
| 04:10.18 | dalias | then i can cut power without opening the case |
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| 04:14.51 | Wyzard | hmm, nautilus crashes if I try to open the properties window for an .iso file |
| 04:14.58 | Wyzard | I'll assume that's because of the 2.20 transition :-/ |
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| 04:15.53 | Supaplex | in what way does it crash? |
| 04:16.03 | Supaplex | segfault? just dies and goes away? |
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| 04:19.17 | Supaplex | stupid samba logs. sure, go ahead and ignore the guest user directive. meh. |
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| 04:21.45 | dalias | ok this is stupid... it's just mplayer that's making reading the vcd freeze the drive |
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| 04:21.54 | dalias | ripping it with cdrdao is no problem |
| 04:22.08 | dalias | probably the issue is mplayer seeking to end of disc (or past end) |
| 04:22.17 | dalias | which is a kernel bug if it causes a problem.. |
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| 04:26.31 | jetscreamer | or a crappy encode or the file is too big for the cd |
| 04:26.42 | jetscreamer | #mplayer |
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| 04:28.13 | FuzzyB | is there anyone around that can read arabic? |
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| 04:33.10 | jetscreamer | did you try the google arabic translation thing? |
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| 04:38.30 | guhhh | is it stupid to do a manual chroot and also use mod_security to secure apache 2? |
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| 04:39.53 | FuzzyB | jetscreamer: yea i did, but it's all good i was able to decypher it kinda and it worked |
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| 04:44.28 | neighbors | my terminal seems all crazy in etch... curly apostrophe's show up as a with a carrot over it, several extended characters show up as the same thing, and the title has that followed by the euro sign |
| 04:44.44 | neighbors | anybody know what I can do to correct this? Not finding anything specific on google |
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| 04:45.07 | dalias | neighbors, sounds like you have inconsistent locale settings.. |
| 04:45.18 | dalias | do you know what character encoding you're _intending_to use? |
| 04:45.48 | neighbors | characters I enter are fine |
| 04:45.56 | neighbors | but characters displayed from things like man pages are not |
| 04:46.16 | neighbors | for example... format similar to âls -lâ |
| 04:46.17 | dalias | type locale |
| 04:46.21 | dalias | and see what it says for LC_CTYPE |
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| 04:46.40 | neighbors | LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 04:46.45 | Agrajag- | neighbors: or perhaps the terminal you're using is broken |
| 04:46.46 | dalias | ok and what terminal are you using? |
| 04:46.50 | neighbors | putty |
| 04:46.53 | dalias | ah |
| 04:47.01 | dalias | go in putty config and set it to utf-8 |
| 04:47.03 | Agrajag- | neighbors: go to translation settings in putty and select utf-8 |
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| 04:47.11 | dalias | and complain to putty developer for having bad defaults |
| 04:47.48 | neighbors | ah thanks guys |
| 04:47.57 | neighbors | couldn't figure that one out |
| 04:48.08 | dalias | no prob |
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| 04:49.27 | jair | hello guys, I have my debian machine using the very minimal base install with x and blackbox, but I would like to be a ble of check videos (perhaps vlc) and listen music cds (wav) and mp3s ? what do you guys recommend me? |
| 04:49.45 | jair | should I go with xmms? |
| 04:49.49 | jair | and vlc |
| 04:49.56 | dalias | xmms is dead and unmaintained i think |
| 04:49.58 | jair | is anything there new? |
| 04:50.02 | jair | :( |
| 04:50.04 | jair | really |
| 04:50.04 | dalias | i'd go with mplayer but i'm biased because i'm a developer |
| 04:50.15 | jair | hmm |
| 04:50.21 | dalias | there's some flashy gui mp3 player for kde but it's typical kde bloatware :) |
| 04:50.24 | jair | wow very sad news about it |
| 04:50.31 | jair | :( |
| 04:50.43 | dalias | well xmms works fine for most things |
| 04:50.44 | jair | I want to keep my blackbox as clean as possible |
| 04:50.54 | dalias | i was annoyed that it would not display my non-ascii filenames/tags though |
| 04:51.04 | jair | xmms will also play wavs? and mp3s? |
| 04:51.09 | dalias | yes |
| 04:51.22 | dalias | it should |
| 04:51.28 | jair | ohhh it did not display the name of the song and/or artist? |
| 04:51.42 | jair | but what do you guys think about amarok? |
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| 04:51.53 | dalias | i was saying, i was annoyed with it because it would only show ascii in the filenames/song names/artists |
| 04:52.01 | dalias | so it's not good for non-english files |
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| 04:52.18 | dalias | amarok is probably nice but bloated, i think |
| 04:52.29 | dalias | i mean it'll pull in all the kde stuff if you install it :) |
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| 04:53.23 | jair | I see |
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| 04:54.17 | jair | I will just go with xmms but I saw a clon of xmms in ubuntu and was just the same as xmms, I know that we are not ubuntu, but if was running there it could be available for us |
| 04:54.59 | dalias | whats it called? |
| 04:55.20 | jair | I honestly don't remember |
| 04:55.33 | jair | but it has the logo of debian on it |
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| 04:58.37 | mhall | Hello all. I am having odd problems with wodim not thinking my SATA device is a burner. Any tips? The old SATA burner worked fine. |
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| 05:00.18 | mhall | *cricket* *cricket* *cricket* |
| 05:00.30 | FuzzyB | Does anyone know how to make a log of which process edits a file and when? |
| 05:00.43 | mhall | FuzzyB: strace could help with some of it |
| 05:00.48 | mhall | FuzzyB: inotify perhaps |
| 05:00.49 | FuzzyB | hrm |
| 05:00.52 | FuzzyB | ok |
| 05:02.04 | FuzzyB | you have any hints for strace? |
| 05:02.16 | Guerin | grep |
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| 05:02.42 | Guerin | strace without grep is a good way to drive yourself insane |
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| 05:03.41 | slapfaceware | i made some firewall rules, wanna import it to iptables during boot up, how do i add a line to be executed in boot time |
| 05:03.47 | FuzzyB | well i understand that strace can show you what's up with a running process, my question is who's editing the damm file and when |
| 05:03.51 | mad_muppet | hi what kill command would I use to kill iceweasel .. I have been having some problems with it lately and cannot kill it clicking the x? |
| 05:03.58 | Guerin | FuzzyB: dnotify |
| 05:04.03 | FuzzyB | ok |
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| 05:05.39 | FuzzyB | dnotify from what I understand only shows you the when, not the who |
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| 05:05.46 | FuzzyB | i'm more after the who |
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| 05:06.26 | FuzzyB | or maybe something like dnotify -A 'lsof | grep filename' or something |
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| 05:10.23 | Nemoder | mad_muppet: use ctrl-alt-esc then click the window to kill it, or run something like gps |
| 05:11.11 | mad_muppet | Nemoder: thanks will try that |
| 05:13.14 | mad_muppet | theres no man for gps? |
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| 05:13.59 | psyche_ | Stopping MTA for restart: exim4_listener. |
| 05:13.59 | psyche_ | Restarting MTA: exim4. |
| 05:13.59 | psyche_ | * ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken |
| 05:14.05 | slapfaceware | in iptables, is it first one match win or last one match wins |
| 05:14.05 | psyche_ | does anyone know whats wrong? |
| 05:14.23 | psyche_ | or how can i fix this? |
| 05:14.45 | stiv2k | hey in chmod, what does the d and the extra r mean in drwxr-x--- |
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| 05:15.26 | slapfaceware | d: directory |
| 05:15.34 | slapfaceware | r: readable |
| 05:15.40 | stiv2k | slapfaceware: i see |
| 05:16.05 | stiv2k | so what's the difference between r/readable and r/having read permission |
| 05:17.08 | slapfaceware | same |
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| 05:17.16 | stiv2k | slapfaceware: ? |
| 05:18.39 | MasterGH | There are 3 groups for file permissions, owner, group, and world. So -rwx-rw-r could be read, written to, and executed by its owner, read and written to by the group it is in, and only read by everyone else |
| 05:18.52 | stiv2k | no no |
| 05:19.01 | stiv2k | it has drwxr for owner |
| 05:19.05 | stiv2k | x for group |
| 05:19.08 | stiv2k | and nothing for world |
| 05:19.19 | MasterGH | woopsy, that was an example, but mucked it up |
| 05:19.21 | stiv2k | thats how samba is setting the permissions for all my files |
| 05:19.36 | stiv2k | which is not how i configured it i configured it create mask and directory mask 0750 |
| 05:19.42 | troubled | stiv2k: for a dir it means you can see the files in it with ls |
| 05:19.53 | stiv2k | oh |
| 05:20.05 | stiv2k | troubled: files have it too |
| 05:20.09 | MasterGH | my example should have been -rwxrw-r-- |
| 05:20.12 | stiv2k | -rwxr-x--- 1 steve steve 5120 2007-09-23 22:36 Thumbs.db |
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| 05:20.16 | MasterGH | but yeah, that is weird |
| 05:20.24 | troubled | stiv2k: yes, but for files it means you can open and rad them |
| 05:20.38 | stiv2k | troubled: what about the other r ? |
| 05:20.39 | MasterGH | Ah, ok, that is fine then |
| 05:20.46 | troubled | read* |
| 05:21.09 | MasterGH | the other r is for the 'group' the file is in |
| 05:21.20 | stiv2k | it comes before the hyphen |
| 05:21.26 | stiv2k | meaning it's still for 'owner' isnt it |
| 05:21.47 | MasterGH | a - in there means it doesn't have that permission |
| 05:21.54 | stiv2k | ohh |
| 05:22.50 | MasterGH | so the owner has full permissions, the group has read and execute, and the rest have nothing in that case |
| 05:23.07 | stiv2k | MasterGH: so that is 0750? |
| 05:23.41 | MasterGH | I think...if I remember my numbers right |
| 05:24.06 | MasterGH | yeah, it is |
| 05:24.09 | psyche_ | can someone help me with exim4 ? |
| 05:24.35 | Supaplex | psyche_: not I, but ask and see if someone else does |
| 05:24.39 | Supaplex | !tell psyche_ -about ask |
| 05:24.48 | streuner | psyche_: there is #exim |
| 05:25.10 | stiv2k | MasterGH: so that means other members of the group i'm in can read it right |
| 05:25.22 | nvz | stiv2k: permissions are represented as 3 octal bits.. Owner, Group, Other. 0=None, 1=execute, 2=write, 4=read. |
| 05:25.42 | psyche_ | #exim |
| 05:25.45 | psyche_ | ... |
| 05:25.52 | nvz | 0-7 are the possible combinations, derived simply by adding the numbers |
| 05:26.04 | nvz | psyche_: /j #exim |
| 05:26.20 | MasterGH | stiv2k: yeah |
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| 05:26.30 | stiv2k | MasterGH: my primary group or any group i'm in? |
| 05:27.04 | nvz | stiv2k: neither |
| 05:27.12 | nvz | stiv2k: he didn't read or understand your question |
| 05:27.19 | nvz | stiv2k: files are owned by a particular group |
| 05:27.37 | MasterGH | Yeah, sorry, thought you mean members of the file's group |
| 05:27.42 | nvz | stiv2k: steve steve means the file is owned by user steve, and goup steve |
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| 05:28.39 | stiv2k | nvz: so only me or other members of group 'steve' can read it? |
| 05:28.42 | stiv2k | if its 0750 |
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| 05:28.58 | MasterGH | I'm a bit tired tired, not reading things right.. |
| 05:29.10 | stiv2k | yea im sorry im not explaining it well either |
| 05:29.26 | nvz | stiv2k: a file -rw--r----- (0640) root adm, can be read/written by user root, read-only by members of group adm, and not accessed at all by other users |
| 05:29.56 | slapfaceware | i made some firewall rules, wanna import it to iptables during boot up, how do i add a line to be executed in boot time??? |
| 05:29.56 | stiv2k | i see |
| 05:30.07 | stiv2k | so i have a directory called 'media' on my fileserver |
| 05:30.18 | stiv2k | i want it so only members of a group 'mediausers' can access it |
| 05:30.42 | stiv2k | and individual files put in there by individual users are protected (i.e. someone cannot delete or modify another user's stuff) |
| 05:30.52 | stiv2k | so i made the create and directory mask 0750 |
| 05:30.52 | Supaplex | chmod 750 /dir/media ; chgrp mediausers /dir/media |
| 05:31.03 | stiv2k | i see so i have to make all the files part of mediausers group |
| 05:31.08 | nvz | stiv2k: chown root:mediausers media; chmod 770 media |
| 05:31.10 | MasterGH | chgrp -R /path/to/media |
| 05:31.21 | MasterGH | woops |
| 05:31.22 | MasterGH | sorry |
| 05:31.29 | MasterGH | as I said, very tired |
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| 05:31.34 | Supaplex | don't forget chmod +st /dir/media |
| 05:31.36 | nvz | stiv2k: then you will need to setup a umask or such so that permissions of files created by users are rw for them and ro for anyone else |
| 05:31.38 | nevyn | you can set the directory permission to t |
| 05:31.45 | stiv2k | is there a way to have a file automatically changed permissions like that when it's put in that dir |
| 05:31.50 | nvz | Supaplex: hmm ;) |
| 05:31.51 | Supaplex | sgid directory |
| 05:31.55 | nevyn | nvz: sticky |
| 05:32.02 | stiv2k | sorry im not following |
| 05:32.16 | Supaplex | !sticky |
| 05:32.34 | nvz | nevyn: na, I washed my hands after I put the little indian away |
| 05:32.40 | Supaplex | !sticky bit |
| 05:32.41 | dpkg | sticky bit is, like, the "t" bit on /tmp. When set on a directory, it means that users cannot unlink anyone else's files (and a few other things). It has no effect on files in any modern Unix. |
| 05:33.20 | Supaplex | !setgid |
| 05:33.20 | dpkg | [setgid] chmod g+s, a bit which means a program is executed with the group ID of its group-owner. On a directory it means files created therein inherit the dir's group ownership. |
| 05:33.22 | nevyn | sticky is not ignored. |
| 05:33.32 | Supaplex | on files? |
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| 05:33.59 | stiv2k | so should i do chmod g+s on the /dir/media |
| 05:34.11 | stiv2k | so everything created inside it inherit the mediausers gruop |
| 05:34.23 | nevyn | oh a sticky on a file. doesn't mean anything |
| 05:34.26 | Supaplex | yes stiv2k, it'll create mediausers group owned directories |
| 05:34.28 | nevyn | right |
| 05:34.33 | stiv2k | excellent |
| 05:34.49 | nevyn | and you should make it +t as well |
| 05:34.52 | Supaplex | it's similar to how /usr/src is managed ala src group. |
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| 05:35.01 | nevyn | which means you can't unlink other peoples files |
| 05:35.20 | stiv2k | nevyn: unlink? |
| 05:35.31 | nevyn | delete. |
| 05:35.44 | stiv2k | so chgrp will only change the GROUP of all of the files and it won't touch the owner of them? |
| 05:35.59 | stiv2k | nevyn: i thought they couldnt do that anyway if they didnt have write access |
| 05:36.01 | nevyn | correct |
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| 05:36.17 | nevyn | you want the directory to be group writable |
| 05:36.35 | stiv2k | no just owner writable |
| 05:36.40 | nevyn | chgroup would require manual management of this stuff |
| 05:36.46 | stiv2k | so people cant modify anyone elses stuff |
| 05:37.04 | Supaplex | stiv2k: +t handles that just fine |
| 05:37.07 | nvz | stiv2k: if its only owner writable then only one user can write to it, period. |
| 05:37.20 | Supaplex | stiv2k: default umask disallows others modifying your stuff |
| 05:37.28 | nvz | files can have only one user and one group that owns it |
| 05:37.37 | Supaplex | !acl |
| 05:37.38 | dpkg | methinks acl is Access Control List or http://acl.bestbits.at/ or http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~agbs/live/acl_eng.html, or at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 05:37.44 | Supaplex | unless you get complicated. :) |
| 05:37.45 | stiv2k | nvz: right |
| 05:37.52 | stiv2k | Supaplex: gotcha |
| 05:37.56 | GarryFre | That usr link is a rather neat idea. |
| 05:38.06 | stiv2k | no what i was sayign is the GROUP can read it but only the OWNER can modify it |
| 05:38.43 | nvz | 0640 |
| 05:38.52 | nvz | erm |
| 05:38.57 | nvz | 0750 |
| 05:39.00 | nvz | for a dir |
| 05:39.13 | Supaplex | !grounding |
| 05:39.13 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 05:39.28 | nevyn | sticky protects the file even if the user has changed their umask |
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| 05:40.21 | nevyn | relying on the umask which is user alterable to achieve this goal is undesirable |
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| 05:44.10 | stiv2k | nevyn: ahh i see |
| 05:44.16 | stiv2k | nevyn: so sticky is chmod +t again right? |
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| 05:45.42 | duncf | I'm using xserver-xorg-ati-video from experimental and getting really washed out/bright colours... what can I do (if it's a bug... what info can I gather?) |
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| 05:46.41 | nevyn | stiv2k: right |
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| 05:51.37 | Supaplex | good work dondelelcaro =) |
| 05:52.23 | slapfaceware | how do i make it to execute a command during bootup time |
| 05:52.47 | Supaplex | crontab @reboot, or /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 05:52.55 | Supaplex | or rc.local |
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| 05:56.46 | Element14 | or /etc/rc[0-6].d/ depending on the runlevel |
| 05:56.47 | phliver | ok so this is a newb question but i could'nt get any good search results. how would i have my debian server execute a single command at boot |
| 05:56.55 | phliver | or what is the best/easiest way |
| 05:57.23 | mhall | what is that dvd-burning tool that has the /dev/device=file.udf syntax? |
| 05:57.23 | dondelelcaro | phliver: three ways, 1) rc.local 2) your own init.d script 3) @reboot in crontab. |
| 05:57.28 | mhall | i can't remember what it is |
| 05:57.42 | dondelelcaro | mhall: growisofs |
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| 05:59.22 | phliver | dondelelcaro: thanks. that pointed me in the right direction |
| 05:59.38 | Crypticfortune | is there a way to make it so that "touch -d'2007-09-20 14:58' foo" works for non-owners of foo? |
| 06:00.01 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: they have to be +w on the directory |
| 06:00.05 | dondelelcaro | (or the file) |
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| 06:00.31 | mhall | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 06:01.10 | Crypticfortune | dondelelcaro: hmm, i testing this on a file that i set to another user but with go+rw and i own and have w on the directory...still no good |
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| 06:03.01 | Crypticfortune | to be precise: http://rafb.net/p/6HYNzP56.html |
| 06:03.22 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: if you're just going to do it by touching, the file has to be +w, but you can do it effectively by cp'ing, mv, and touch. |
| 06:03.27 | mhall | growisofs -Z /dev/scd0=office.iso reports ":-( not an MMC unit!" ... what the hell?!? |
| 06:03.36 | rani | haiiiiiiiiiii |
| 06:03.42 | psyche_ | im really need help with exim4 now, #exim4 is so dead... |
| 06:03.43 | dondelelcaro | mhall: scd0 isn't an MMC burner. |
| 06:03.52 | rani | hayyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 06:04.04 | psyche_ | * ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken <-- this is my error message |
| 06:04.10 | rani | hayyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 06:04.22 | JeremyK | rani: please stop with the lameness. |
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| 06:04.41 | stiv2k | it didnt work |
| 06:04.46 | JeremyK | dondelelcaro: that works too :) |
| 06:04.52 | stiv2k | i created a new directory inside media and it didnt make it group mediausers |
| 06:05.19 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: are you in the group mediausers? |
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| 06:05.59 | Crypticfortune | dondelelcaro: the file is a+w. the cp mv thing you suggested though would make the me the owner. trying to avoid that. |
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| 06:06.13 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: yes, but im doing it from samba.......... |
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| 06:06.37 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: im not sure if that is going to affect it |
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| 06:06.41 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: well, no clue whether samba obeys g+s or not |
| 06:06.48 | Element14 | Crypticfortune: just curious... why'd u want to have multiple users touching a file? |
| 06:07.00 | dondelelcaro | (and btw, it's g+s that has the effect that you're looking for, not d+t) |
| 06:07.13 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: i didnt do d+t |
| 06:07.16 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: i did g+st |
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| 06:07.43 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: there's no reason for the directory to be +t unless only owners should be removing files therein |
| 06:08.14 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: i dunno, nevyn told me to do it |
| 06:08.39 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: i want it so only owners can modify their own files and so they cant mess with other people's stuff |
| 06:08.55 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: ah, ok.. then +t is ok |
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| 06:09.46 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: the g+s didnt seem to work |
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| 06:10.03 | stiv2k | i did `touch somefile` from command line (not thru samba) and it still made it as steve:steve isntead of steve:mediausers |
| 06:10.06 | Crypticfortune | Element14: it's not critical, but whatever software my boss is using to upload files to our lab's webserver is throwing some error because it can't modify the date (presumably to set it to the date of the original file)... |
| 06:10.13 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: it works by default; whether samba obeys it or not is up to samba. |
| 06:10.21 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: steve has to be part of mediausers for that to happen. |
| 06:10.35 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: now you confused me :/ |
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| 06:10.58 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: should i have done chmod g+st -R media/ |
| 06:11.09 | stiv2k | so it works in all the directories inside media |
| 06:11.15 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: here's an example; first make sure that id; reports floppy. then mkdir test; chmod g+s test; chgrp floppy test; mkdir test/test1; ls -l test/test1; |
| 06:11.21 | Crypticfortune | Element14: anyway, it makes sense that non-owners should be able to set that property....i don't know why it won't let me even with full privs open on the file/directory |
| 06:11.37 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: wait it worked if i do stuff in media/ |
| 06:11.45 | slapfaceware | how to make boot script to run a command every time |
| 06:11.48 | stiv2k | but if i touch a file in media/someotherdir/yet1moredir/ then it doesnt do it |
| 06:11.58 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: so im guessing i need to pass the -R flag to chmod |
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| 06:12.24 | Element14 | Crypticfortune: shouldn't your boss's software have the ownership of the file (since it's responsible for uploading it?) |
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| 06:12.25 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: it only works when you do stuff in directories which are g+s |
| 06:12.28 | mhall | dondelelcaro: but... kinda weird... i wouldn't think anybody made that kind of non-MMC stuff anymore. |
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| 06:12.34 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: and you don't wnat to use the -R flag |
| 06:12.42 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: uhhh |
| 06:12.43 | dondelelcaro | mhall: I didn't think so either, but *shrug* |
| 06:12.57 | stiv2k | ok so i just confirmed samba obeys the g+s |
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| 06:13.14 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: i cant make it so EVERY file and directory under media/ obeys g+s ??? |
| 06:13.16 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: -R is indiscriminate, it'll make files g+s too, which is not good. Use find + xargs + chmod |
| 06:13.25 | stiv2k | ohhh |
| 06:13.30 | stiv2k | so i need just every dir in media/ |
| 06:13.33 | stiv2k | not every dir and file |
| 06:13.35 | dondelelcaro | right. |
| 06:13.40 | stiv2k | gotcha |
| 06:13.44 | stiv2k | i dont know what xargs is |
| 06:13.48 | dondelelcaro | which is why you do find media -type d -print0|xargs -0 chmod g+s; |
| 06:13.55 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: well, now is the right time to learn. |
| 06:14.01 | stiv2k | ;) |
| 06:14.13 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: man find; man xargs; and see if you can figure out what the command I gave to you does before you run it. |
| 06:14.17 | Element14 | find -type d -exec chmod g+s "{}" \; |
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| 06:14.35 | Element14 | xargs could give some problems if the list is too large (IIRC) |
| 06:14.39 | dondelelcaro | why exec chmod 8 billion times? |
| 06:14.49 | dondelelcaro | Element14: no, it won't; that's precisely the point of using it. |
| 06:14.57 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: if i make a new directory inside a directory that's g+s, will that directory also be g+s ? |
| 06:15.03 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: yes. |
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| 06:15.22 | Crypticfortune | Element14: yeah, that would make sense...rsync does it that way. i don't know what program he's using... |
| 06:15.23 | stiv2k | excellent |
| 06:15.43 | mhall | dondelelcaro: how can i analyze this? |
| 06:16.18 | mhall | dondelelcaro: wodim -scanbus just says 0,0,0 0) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVDRAM GSA-H62L ' 'DL00' Removable CD-ROM |
| 06:16.32 | Element14 | dondelelcaro: hmm yea. guess i remembered wrong then :-/ |
| 06:16.41 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: excellent, it worked |
| 06:16.43 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot! |
| 06:18.54 | dondelelcaro | mhall: hrm... not sure what the deal is then |
| 06:19.14 | mhall | dondelelcaro: yeah this thing's acting real weird... i'm thinking of attempting a firmware update |
| 06:19.46 | dondelelcaro | mhall: but yeah, your command was correct |
| 06:19.55 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: np |
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| 06:20.38 | dondelelcaro | Element14: no worries; xargs is rather useful though (and if it ever gets the number of commands wrong, you can use -n to "fix" it, after filing a bug, of course.) |
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| 06:52.37 | mhall | sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray |
| 06:52.50 | mhall | dondelelcaro: why does the kernel thinks it's MMC? sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray |
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| 06:56.28 | fredl | hiya, does anybody know why I don't seem to have an eth0? |
| 06:56.38 | fredl | I just have eth1 and eth2 it seems |
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| 06:58.59 | apollo13 | hi, if I set a host-name option in dhcpd.conf for each client (option host-name "test"), how do I get the client to set this hostname as his hostname |
| 06:59.00 | lhadji | fredl, do you have 3 network cards and eth0 isn't there or is debian just showing eth 1 and 2? |
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| 07:01.12 | fredl | well I think one device is recognized as a wireless interface |
| 07:01.35 | fredl | and I have two wired interfaces in it, one that's onboard, and one that I added yesterday |
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| 07:02.21 | fredl | I hadn't looked at the network devices before installing the second wired nic yet so I don't know if it was like that immediately after instalation |
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| 07:03.02 | lhadji | maybe 1 hasn't been detected |
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| 07:03.45 | fredl | dunno. |
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| 07:04.01 | fredl | not that it makes a big difference, I'd just like to know. |
| 07:04.19 | spilio | hola |
| 07:04.38 | fredl | wait, I found something... in dmesg it says udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth2 |
| 07:04.43 | spilio | alguien sabe donde anda el canal de wifislax? |
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| 07:05.31 | fredl | why would it do that though I wonder. |
| 07:05.37 | geo-rge | spilio: /msg apt br |
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| 07:06.22 | spilio | gracias (spanish) |
| 07:06.35 | geo-rge | oh, then /msg dpkg es |
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| 07:07.29 | spilio | ok thank's |
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| 07:09.03 | fredl | aha. it's because I added a NIC, apparently. |
| 07:09.21 | fredl | z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 07:14.01 | simonrvn | !tell hathat -about root |
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| 07:15.12 | rmaj | hello |
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| 07:15.23 | rmaj | what mainboard should I buy for AM2 cpu to have all fully working? |
| 07:15.45 | cast | rmaj: nf5 works for me great. [non-sli] |
| 07:16.07 | cast | the only issue is using the onboard gig eth with a pci realtek, could only use one at a time |
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| 07:17.40 | rmaj | is there any board that do works fully without any "but" or "almost"? |
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| 07:19.58 | cast | there does not exist a board that does not have its own little bugs/idiosyncies |
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| 07:20.48 | cast | [i'm using a asus nforce 570 ultra FWIW] |
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| 07:20.54 | defrysk | boards of canada are pretty good |
| 07:21.30 | geo-rge | most boards work without a butt |
| 07:22.06 | cast | i imagine in the high end is where you'd have trouble, with things like integrated blue tooth |
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| 07:24.04 | Aleksej__ | hi |
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| 07:24.17 | rmaj | cast: what mobo do you use? |
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| 07:24.40 | cast | asus m2n-e |
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| 07:45.56 | ribasushi | hi |
| 07:46.00 | ribasushi | for quite some time I am getting this during boot: http://pastebin.com/d1ea4c69a |
| 07:46.04 | ribasushi | google does not turn up anything - does anyone have any ideas? |
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| 07:48.56 | Penix | ribasushi: is it actually causing a problem? |
| 07:49.26 | Penix | could just be some silly hotkeys on your keyboard |
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| 07:51.50 | Element14 | google gives this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-269520.html (pardon the ubuntu reference) |
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| 07:56.10 | popt | hello, anyone where debian store default emacs settings for all user? |
| 07:56.28 | popt | hello, anyone here know where debian store default emacs settings for all user? |
| 07:56.30 | simonrvn | /etc/ |
| 07:56.32 | popt | the filename> |
| 07:56.39 | popt | /etc/? |
| 07:56.50 | simonrvn | look in there |
| 07:56.59 | popt | all right |
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| 07:57.05 | popt | thank you |
| 07:57.13 | popt | do you know the filename> |
| 07:57.57 | simonrvn | there's many files, and depnds on your emacs version.. use ls |
| 07:58.07 | ribasushi | Penix: it isn't apparently, but as we both know looks can be deceiving :) |
| 07:58.10 | popt | thank you |
| 07:58.34 | AcidEyE | why 21 cds? |
| 07:59.47 | DocPlatypus | AcidEyE: you can get three DVDs if you prefer |
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| 07:59.54 | popt | /etc/emacs21/site-start.d |
| 07:59.58 | popt | /etc/emacs/site-start.d |
| 08:00.06 | popt | there are two dir for emacs |
| 08:00.06 | AcidEyE | DocPlatypus i do not have dvd rom |
| 08:00.21 | lexoplex | How can I tell screen to leave my xterm (rxvt...) title alone? |
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| 08:01.04 | popt | Im unsure which one |
| 08:01.07 | AcidEyE | i can not see i386 insaller guide for Etch |
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| 08:01.13 | lexoplex | Oops, found it in README.Debian, never mind. |
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| 08:02.14 | DocPlatypus | AcidEyE: okay, or you could just install over the net instead of downloading everything first |
| 08:02.25 | Shifty | hey al |
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| 08:02.58 | Shifty | is there a package joomla? to install joomla with apt-get? |
| 08:03.08 | Element14 | AcidEyE: there is this thing called netinstall cd's.. |
| 08:03.20 | AcidEyE | ok i got it |
| 08:03.32 | AcidEyE | but htere is no release notes for i386 |
| 08:03.47 | AcidEyE | i386 x86 is same? |
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| 08:03.59 | GNU\colossus | yes |
| 08:04.04 | AcidEyE | ok thanks |
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| 08:05.03 | yang | Someone knows the debian package name for PHPAGI http://phpagi.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 08:05.28 | simonrvn | !tell yang -about search |
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| 08:05.40 | yang | yeah i get about 200 hits |
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| 08:08.38 | Akatemik | I have a weird problem. My empty harddrive space is "leaking". That is, the free space available is getting smaller and smaller, but du cannot show where it goes. |
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| 08:10.49 | Akatemik | Currently the used space seen with df is twice as much as seen with du |
| 08:10.53 | vaq | Are there any network file system that's faster than NFS ? |
| 08:11.04 | GNU\colossus | yeah, NFS4 |
| 08:11.06 | GNU\colossus | ;) |
| 08:11.10 | dalias | akatemik, are you sure you're using du correctly?? |
| 08:11.22 | streuner | NFS is slow â„¢ |
| 08:11.25 | Akatemik | dalias: Pretty sure, yeah. |
| 08:11.33 | dalias | note that du can in some situations not see all of the fs |
| 08:11.41 | dalias | for instance, another mount might be mounted over top of a tree |
| 08:11.46 | Akatemik | dalias: That is, I'm not skipping dot-files, as I'm running it over the mountpoint |
| 08:11.54 | streuner | vaq: what kind of NICs do you have, 10? |
| 08:12.04 | vaq | streuner: fiber |
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| 08:12.33 | Akatemik | dalias: No other mounts running, I unmounted all smbmounts after I got the first "no more space" error from my mail client |
| 08:12.48 | Akatemik | (No other mounts at this mount point, home...) |
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| 08:15.48 | dalias | akatemik, what is the du command you're using? |
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| 08:17.52 | Akatemik | dalias: du -s /home/ |
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| 08:18.10 | dalias | that should work.. |
| 08:18.35 | dalias | the only thing i can think of that it would miss is files already deleted but still open |
| 08:18.45 | Akatemik | And indeed is constantly shows the same number, while df |grep home gets smaller and smalle (the free space) |
| 08:19.34 | Akatemik | lsof doesn't show anything odd open |
| 08:19.38 | dalias | did you recently delete anything? |
| 08:19.44 | ServerSage | What is the "Debian way" of starting/stopping iptables? |
| 08:19.56 | dalias | probably /etc/init.d/iptables stop |
| 08:19.57 | dalias | etc |
| 08:20.02 | Akatemik | Not recently, no. But I think this has been going on for a while (at least 12 hours) |
| 08:20.15 | ServerSage | dalias: Doesn't exist (Debian Etch btw). |
| 08:20.22 | dalias | i dunno then |
| 08:20.52 | cast | ServerSage: use a init.d script of some sort to 'start' [setup rules] and 'stop' [wipe rules, set default policy=allow] |
| 08:21.06 | ServerSage | cast: In other words, write my own? |
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| 08:21.24 | cast | if i were you i'd use shorewall :). or firehol if your requirements are simple |
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| 08:21.56 | Akatemik | ServerSage: Odd. I have that script, but can't find which packet gave it (no matches with apt-file) |
| 08:22.09 | ServerSage | Akatemik: You using etch? |
| 08:22.14 | cast | Akatemik: it was in sarge iirc |
| 08:22.32 | cast | along with a notice to not ever use it, heh |
| 08:22.40 | Akatemik | ServerSage: Sid, I grant that. I just started to wonder where it came |
| 08:23.06 | Akatemik | cast: Well, yeah. This sid was installed back when Sarge was testing :) |
| 08:23.24 | ServerSage | I refuse to install shorewall. Hehe. |
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| 08:23.37 | fredl | etch's nvidia support is broken :/ |
| 08:23.40 | Akatemik | dalias: Any idea how I could check if the problem is with deleted files? |
| 08:23.45 | cast | fredl: it is? |
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| 08:23.56 | fredl | no wait, it was lenny |
| 08:23.57 | Akatemik | At least it is in sid, has been for a while now |
| 08:23.59 | cast | oh...heh. maybe :). i just remembered, i don't use the pkgs |
| 08:24.19 | Akatemik | Xorg wants video-2.0, but nvidia gives only 1.0 |
| 08:24.19 | fredl | the nv driver works but the nvidia one doesn't. caused me to have to move to sid |
| 08:24.36 | Element14 | Akatemik: i'd try unmounting and doing a fsck (might not help, but wouldn't hurt to try) |
| 08:25.00 | fredl | I don't like that much as this a media server that I also intend to use for serving my website |
| 08:25.33 | Akatemik | Element14: Hmh, I guess I'll have to. Although that would mean enabling root login with ssh to let me get in remotely without locking any files inside /home |
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| 08:28.15 | cast | ah, don't need to do that |
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| 08:29.22 | cast | but root login with ssh is handy so i'd just enable it :> |
| 08:29.26 | nocti | can i update debian between releases flawlessly? stable or testing? thanks. |
| 08:29.42 | Akatemik | Flawlessly... well... |
| 08:29.54 | Akatemik | It's fairly easy, but not completely automatical |
| 08:29.56 | cast | nocti: use stable...and nothings flawless. but its probably more flawless than you're used to |
| 08:29.59 | yang | Someone knows the debian package name for PHPAGI http://phpagi.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 08:30.54 | nocti | reason is ive been on gentoo for abt 5 yrs now and i have this slow lappy that i want to install debian on coz i dont want it wasting it's batteries compiling stuff. |
| 08:31.22 | Shifty | is there a package joomla or something to install joomla with apt-get? |
| 08:31.53 | fredl | hmm which package in Debian does Apache SSL? |
| 08:32.18 | cast | yang, Shifty, fredl: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:32.19 | cast | :| |
| 08:32.30 | yang | fredl: apache-ssl - versatile, high-performance HTTP server with SSL support |
| 08:33.04 | fredl | tnx |
| 08:33.05 | nocti | cast: thanks. |
| 08:33.11 | cast | nocti: compared to gentoo things should be pretty clean sailing me thinks. just make sure to do things the debian way |
| 08:33.11 | fredl | huh... |
| 08:33.32 | fredl | not available it seems. |
| 08:33.47 | fredl | I need ssl in apache2. |
| 08:33.55 | GNU\colossus | are there any repos aside dotdeb available featuring more recent apache, mysql and php-builds for etch, ideally with gpg-key signed packages? |
| 08:34.17 | nocti | cast: is ubuntu as smooth as debian or should i even bother trying that out? |
| 08:34.27 | Shifty | !joomla |
| 08:34.30 | fredl | cast - apt-cache search would not be better to find it than /msg dpkg search ? |
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| 08:34.37 | Akatemik | nocti: In my experience, less smooth |
| 08:34.58 | nocti | Akatemik: between release transitions? thanks man. |
| 08:35.04 | Shifty | cast: dpkg doesnt work.... |
| 08:35.05 | cast | fredl: aptitude show apache2.2-common |
| 08:35.08 | a-atwood | nocti: it is good, but it is also more dynamic. pays your money and takes your choice |
| 08:35.09 | yang | fredl: then apache2-ssl ? |
| 08:35.18 | geo-rge | dpkg: doesn't work |
| 08:35.18 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 08:35.27 | Akatemik | nocti: Ubuntu's installs are very easy, but it's designed to be just that, installed. Upgrades between versions tend to be troublesome, as so many things change and are not even attempted to be made as easy as installing |
| 08:35.45 | DawnLight | where do i put binary codecs for mplayer? |
| 08:35.59 | cast | DawnLight: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia and install them with apt |
| 08:36.00 | Shifty | dpkg: joomla |
| 08:36.11 | fredl | hmm |
| 08:36.13 | nocti | ok thanks guys |
| 08:36.13 | DawnLight | thanks! |
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| 08:36.42 | cast | nocti: i don't see ubuntu adding any value to debian for you. |
| 08:36.48 | fredl | cast - what are you trying to tell me with that? |
| 08:37.09 | cast | fredl: "This package contains all the standard apache2 modules, including SSL support. " |
| 08:37.12 | cast | that bit. |
| 08:37.21 | fredl | oh.. |
| 08:37.21 | fredl | ok |
| 08:37.24 | fredl | tnx |
| 08:37.30 | geo-rge | again./. |
| 08:37.40 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.53 | geo-rge | it could have been you would have found that |
| 08:38.24 | Akatemik | Ok, something bad is definately happening. I have dma on, but backupping my work folder is putting load over 5, all of the cpu as io-wait... |
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| 08:38.51 | nocti | cast: what do you prefer? stable or testing/sid? in terms of pkg availability? any tips on external repositories? |
| 08:38.56 | geo-rge | jane: stop this crazy thing! |
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| 08:40.07 | geo-rge | nocti: for doing work? or for testing debian? |
| 08:40.13 | cast | nocti: i use stable, with debian-multimedia and bpo [/msg dpkg $word] |
| 08:40.20 | jane19 | most of the drivers in the cups list are not shown,for eg. ML1610 Samsung |
| 08:40.24 | vaq | What network file system would be preferd over NFS if performance is the main issue? |
| 08:40.48 | nocti | geo-rge: just common desktop stuff. |
| 08:40.51 | jane19 | can anyone recommend which packages should I install to support these |
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| 08:41.22 | dalias | i never liked testing myself, but maybe it's better now |
| 08:41.24 | cast | nocti: i install some new recent packages myself, such as pidgin or gtar or duplicity with stow, i suggest everyone use stable, but lots of people are happy with testing |
| 08:41.25 | dalias | i use unstable |
| 08:41.27 | dalias | (sid) |
| 08:41.39 | geo-rge | jane19: what if you were to google for ml1610 samsung cups linux |
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| 08:42.28 | jane19 | geo-rge, its ok , but must be some pkg in debian if I install it, it will automatically install it, |
| 08:42.38 | simonrvn | some stuff i don't mind, other stuff i do mind |
| 08:42.48 | jane19 | geo-rge, I have done it, but right now I forgot the pkg name, |
| 08:42.49 | simonrvn | changing like that |
| 08:43.14 | geo-rge | jane19: oh :) do you think that doing the search above would tend to jog your memory? |
| 08:43.20 | Akatemik | Ok, have to close this irssi for umount |
| 08:43.29 | simonrvn | 'the only constant is change' |
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| 08:43.41 | geo-rge | constants aren't |
| 08:43.42 | nocti | so in short unstable is just for debian developers, testing is for those who want newer versions, and stable for those who just want to get some work done. |
| 08:43.46 | geo-rge | variables won't |
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| 08:44.01 | cast | jane19: cupsys-driver-gutenprint has a bunch o drivers in it. but googling is good, if your exact printer driver isn't listed sometimes another similar one will work |
| 08:44.06 | simonrvn | geo-rge: heh, i like that too |
| 08:44.39 | jane19 | cast, I have installed it, but doesn't contain the name,of my printer, |
| 08:44.40 | simonrvn | cast: for sure. i have this deskwriter that works fine with deskjet 500 |
| 08:45.10 | simonrvn | i even got it to work without any intermediary for the serial |
| 08:45.21 | cast | my fuji xerox 203A works with the brother 2060 driver. identical printers, different brands/model :) |
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| 08:45.34 | jane19 | cast, But I am sure, I have done it some month ago, |
| 08:45.36 | Akatemik | Ok, so what can prevent an umount, if lsof shows nothing? |
| 08:45.44 | nocti | bracewel: |
| 08:45.54 | geo-rge | Akatemik: busy |
| 08:45.55 | DocPlatypus | Akatemik: what does fuser -m show? |
| 08:45.59 | nocti | brother is nix friendly |
| 08:46.13 | Trewas | nocti: even unstable is fine for working if you know how to debug/fix occasional packaging etc bugs... but sometimes things break like now there is no multihead with matrox card in unstable |
| 08:46.24 | psycodad | moin, i wonder if anybody has a good idea on how to really load a server (ram-,cpu- and diskwise), i suspect a heat/cooling prob, and i want to provoke it to prove it to the owner |
| 08:46.25 | geo-rge | Akatemik: not being root in some cases |
| 08:46.38 | Akatemik | DocPlatypus: fuser -m /home shows nothing |
| 08:46.50 | Akatemik | geo-rge: Am root, and yeah, trying to find out why it's busy |
| 08:47.00 | simonrvn | umount -l then |
| 08:47.18 | simonrvn | it'll unmount when it isn't anymore |
| 08:47.19 | geo-rge | Akatemik: any processes whose cwd is in there? |
| 08:47.37 | nocti | psycodad: a looped dd can eat a whole lot of those things |
| 08:47.45 | simonrvn | -l == lazy |
| 08:47.50 | Akatemik | simonrvn: Ok, that worked immediately... |
| 08:47.54 | Akatemik | Erm... |
| 08:48.41 | Akatemik | Hmm, fsck says that device is busy |
| 08:48.58 | simonrvn | look at what i said ;) |
| 08:48.59 | cast | psycodad: burnK7 & zcav /dev/sda & zcav /dev/sdb & :) |
| 08:49.28 | Akatemik | simonrvn: Hmm? It did umount with your tip |
| 08:49.51 | vlt | Hello. Can anyone reccommend a bittorrent client for Debian (shell)? |
| 08:49.55 | simonrvn | it won't do it until whatever is blocking it lets go |
| 08:50.01 | Akatemik | Or is it still "somewhere" even if it doesn't show with mount? |
| 08:50.02 | cast | vlt: rtorrent, /msg dpkg search |
| 08:50.07 | nocti | vlt: ctorrent |
| 08:50.31 | simonrvn | Akatemik: you can check it with umount /home; it'll tell you if it's unmounted or not |
| 08:50.42 | Akatemik | simonrvn: Says it's not |
| 08:52.59 | vlt | cast: Thank you. dpkg says it's in unstable and testing only. |
| 08:53.12 | vlt | nocti: aptitude doesn't know ctorrent |
| 08:53.24 | cast | vlt: rtorrent is in etch |
| 08:53.28 | nocti | vlt: oops. |
| 08:53.39 | Akatemik | simonrvn: So, any idea what else could prevent fsck from doing it's job? |
| 08:54.07 | geo-rge | bad disk, no fsck for that filesystem type |
| 08:54.31 | geo-rge | from doing it is job |
| 08:54.39 | Akatemik | fsck /dev/hdd7: fsck.ext3: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/hdd7 |
| 08:54.52 | Akatemik | Could the error be that even with a broken hd? |
| 08:54.54 | DocPlatypus | something has it open? |
| 08:54.56 | dalias | fsck often fails if you've been doing it with your hand too much recently |
| 08:55.00 | DocPlatypus | try rebooting into single user mode |
| 08:55.02 | Akatemik | Also, usually smart cathces physical failures |
| 08:55.26 | Akatemik | DocPlatypus: If I have to, I'll do it when I get back to it again |
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| 08:55.44 | Akatemik | DocPlatypus: And yeah, but how to find out what has the device open? |
| 08:55.56 | geo-rge | is it still mounted? |
| 08:56.16 | cast | fullproof way is to reboot |
| 08:56.17 | Akatemik | Like I mentioned, not according to umount or mount |
| 08:56.50 | nocti | Akatemik: what does ps aux | grep fsck give you? |
| 08:56.55 | geo-rge | how many shell windows or terms do you have open |
| 08:57.10 | Akatemik | nocti: Only the grep... why? |
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| 08:57.13 | geo-rge | ohh, maybe it's already being fsckeed |
| 08:57.21 | geo-rge | how many shell windows or terms do you have open |
| 08:57.41 | Akatemik | geo-rge: Do you mean shells or terminals open in X? |
| 08:57.49 | geo-rge | yes. |
| 08:57.54 | Akatemik | ... |
| 08:57.55 | nocti | maybe somewhere you are in /dev/hdd7, yes check the shells |
| 08:58.11 | geo-rge | add them together, the result? |
| 08:58.27 | Akatemik | geo-rge, nocti: fuser and lsof don't show anything opened in there. Secondly, how can a shell be open in a device? |
| 08:58.51 | cast | you can't CWD to /dev/hdd7, that doesn't make any sense |
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| 08:59.05 | EbilPhish | How do I find what package owns a file? |
| 08:59.11 | Akatemik | EbilPhish: apt-file |
| 08:59.16 | cast | EbilPhish: man dpkg look for -S |
| 08:59.26 | Akatemik | If it's installed, yeah |
| 08:59.31 | geo-rge | if you're not paying me then I set how I help |
| 08:59.35 | EbilPhish | ta |
| 08:59.51 | cast | Akatemik: he wants to know what package owns a file, so its fair to assume said package is installed ;P |
| 09:00.14 | Akatemik | cast: Dunno, usually I'm looking for a package that gives me some binary that's missing :) |
| 09:00.23 | geo-rge | if you're not answering the questions I ask QUICKLY, I tend to get frustrated |
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| 09:00.31 | a-atwood | EbilPhish: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:00.54 | geo-rge | and that tends to erode my desire to help in the first plac |
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| 09:01.41 | a-atwood | EbilPhish: the actual command is like apt-cache search <regex> which should pull it from the repo files. |
| 09:01.47 | cast | Akatemik: to my english that would be a slightly different question. if dpkg -S file returns nothing, then on his system no package owns that file [mostly] [even if that package maybe in some other not installed package] |
| 09:02.08 | cast | even if that file mayybe in some other not installed package* |
| 09:02.31 | geo-rge | non-responsive... good luck... |
| 09:03.14 | Akatemik | geo-rge: Did you miss both of mine and cast's comments? |
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| 09:03.37 | EbilPhish | My /etc/init.d/mysql file somehow has been replaced by random data, apparetnly that is owned by mysql-server-5.0 so I tried removing and reinstalling it but its not recreating the file, is there anyway I can force it to? |
| 09:03.44 | blaatert | is it possible to set a custom layerbreak for dvd+r dl in k3b ? |
| 09:03.55 | macsim | hi, I try to use backuppc, but when I try to launch the first Full Backup I have the message: manu is a DHCP host, and I don't know its IP address. I checked the netbios name of 192.168.1.6, and found that that machine is not manu. |
| 09:03.55 | macsim | Until I see manu at a particular DHCP address, you can only start this request from the client machine itself. but if I do ping manu I have (192.168.1.148) |
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| 09:03.57 | cast | EbilPhish: do you mean literally random data? |
| 09:04.15 | EbilPhish | cast: It would seem to be, no sure how it happened :/ |
| 09:04.20 | cast | EbilPhish: what FS? |
| 09:04.23 | Akatemik | EbilPhish: If you don't purge the package, it leaves configuration files in place even when removing |
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| 09:04.47 | EbilPhish | cast: ext3, I was playing around with shred befoure its possible that I nuked it |
| 09:04.49 | Akatemik | EbilPhish: If you remove, check that the file is gone and reinstall it should put the file back to it's place |
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| 09:05.02 | Akatemik | -it |
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| 09:05.05 | kryl | hi |
| 09:05.23 | EbilPhish | Akatemik: I carn't remove it unless I manualy delete the file beforue hand, also if I purge the package that will nuke my database |
| 09:05.42 | EbilPhish | Akatemik: The remove script trys to use init.d/mysql to stop the server befourehand |
| 09:05.43 | nocti | EbilPhish: |
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| 09:05.54 | Akatemik | EbilPhish: Ah. Well then I think the simplest way would be to decompress the source package and manually replace the file |
| 09:06.15 | cast | EbilPhish: curious. i wonder what else has been fucked up. as for a manual way to fix your problem, could just grab the init.d file from the .deb in your pkg cache, but there's no doubt a better way |
| 09:06.50 | EbilPhish | okies ill try extract it manually, thanks guys |
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| 09:07.35 | EbilPhish | Wish it had nuked itself a little later, I just switched to using git to keep track of /etc so I would have had a backup :/ |
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| 09:07.51 | cast | all of /etc or just a subset? |
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| 09:08.40 | EbilPhish | cast: All |
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| 09:08.47 | cast | ahh. |
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| 09:09.12 | cast | are the perms on the .git/ [i presume, ive only used hg] such that /etc/shadow isn't world readable? |
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| 09:10.24 | EbilPhish | cast: Hmm good question :/ |
| 09:10.57 | cast | i wouldn't worry about /etc/shadow so much as any private keys that might be around unencrypted |
| 09:11.25 | EbilPhish | cast: Well I just checked out the repo as a regular user and I could access shadow |
| 09:11.38 | cast | so can i have a shell account :> |
| 09:11.44 | EbilPhish | hehe no :p |
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| 09:15.16 | AnyFile | I would like to use dos2unix to convert end of line in a file. I have seen that is in the tofrodos ( http://packages.debian.org/etch/tofrodos/i386/filelist ), but if I run aptitude, it can not see that package |
| 09:15.27 | cast | hmm, dns is a bit alien to me. IIRC one can get info about who registered the domain, such as phone number etc..., is there a tool to grab that info? |
| 09:15.35 | bcbooter | anyone ran ubuntu? |
| 09:15.42 | cast | AnyFile: apt-file search tofrodos |
| 09:15.45 | geo-rge | dig |
| 09:15.48 | cast | bcbooter: OT |
| 09:16.01 | cast | geo-rge: hmm, just tried dig, will look for the switch |
| 09:16.06 | bcbooter | what did you guys think of ubuntu or u still run it? |
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| 09:16.17 | geo-rge | bcbooter: this is about debian. NOT ubuntu. read the /topic |
| 09:16.20 | macsim | bcbooter: where in #debian |
| 09:16.23 | Ronin | bcbooter: we're in #debian what does that tell you |
| 09:16.31 | bcbooter | i know lol, im just wondering as debian users |
| 09:16.44 | bcbooter | what you all thought of ubuntu |
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| 09:17.02 | AnyFile | cast, I have no apt-file. Is this normal? |
| 09:17.13 | geo-rge | !installit |
| 09:17.13 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 09:17.19 | cast | AnyFile: perfectly normal. aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update |
| 09:17.38 | cast | unless you're on dialup. then go to packages.debian.org :> |
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| 09:17.51 | geo-rge | pikshas at eleven :) |
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| 09:18.34 | frido | Hi, has anybody experience with more than 8 characters login on debian/etch ? |
| 09:18.44 | cast | AnyFile: hold on...i'm barking up the wrong tree....so the right package isn't coming up in aptitude eh |
| 09:19.04 | cast | AnyFile: aptitude install tofrodos fails, right? |
| 09:19.05 | geo-rge | frido: evidently you do. /msg dpkg ask |
| 09:19.07 | frido | it looks, that there's bug, login name with moer that 8 characters are problematic |
| 09:19.08 | EbilPhish | Is there a list of unofficial security.debian.org mirrors anywhere? I have problems accessing it today |
| 09:19.37 | geo-rge | you can look at bugs.debian.org |
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| 09:19.57 | frido | 'ps' commander for user with more that 8 characters can't convert id to 'name' in passwd file |
| 09:20.10 | AnyFile | cast, yes, it hanged up. I killed it, then I lunched aptitude with no parameter and inside the program I can not find tofromdos |
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| 09:20.52 | tuntun | Hi. |
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| 09:21.10 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there some file recovery tool for ext3 partitions? |
| 09:21.21 | cast | AnyFile: hmmm, that's not cool. does apt-cache search tofrodos work? |
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| 09:21.39 | tuntun | I'm trying to write a script that:1.Gives a list of all files and directories recursively in /boot 2.pipes the filenames to "stat" to get name/type/size/ctime/mtime (I can't use "ls" because it can only output one time per-file) 3.pipes ctime/mtime to "date" to reformat it (using the "--date=" option to specify the date/time as opposed to the current time) and finally outputs name/type/size/ctime/mtime to file.out. I want to get it to look exactly like this(h |
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| 09:22.21 | AnyFile | apt-cache or apt-file ? |
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| 09:22.45 | cast | AnyFile: well, either or, try both. they should both work |
| 09:23.15 | psycodad | nocti thx for the hint, i guess i'll pipe it thru gzip to give the cpu some work too |
| 09:24.11 | AnyFile | apt-file search tofrodos after much time give me a list of files, but only documentation files |
| 09:24.14 | cast | tuntun: your line got cut off. load splitlines.pl or similar script, or split your lines up manually |
| 09:24.44 | cast | AnyFile: but thats alright, it still finds the package. can you install it with apt-get install tofrodos? could be that aptitude is hosed in some annoying manner |
| 09:25.21 | tuntun | cast:how do I do that? |
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| 09:26.13 | cast | tuntun: the end part of your message was lost, it finished with "exactly like this(h" |
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| 09:27.40 | guhhh | if i use a chrooted service, and i want to install a module on it... is there any way i can install it directly to chrooted service? also, for /dev/random i use for example: mknod .../dev/random c 1 8 ? |
| 09:27.49 | AnyFile | cast, this time it worked. Thanks |
| 09:27.53 | cast | heh. whois url |
| 09:28.14 | cast | AnyFile: cool. aptitude may or may not still be broken, though. |
| 09:28.33 | AnyFile | How can I investigate if aptitude is fine or not? |
| 09:28.44 | cast | try to install some other package |
| 09:28.49 | tuntun | I'm trying to write a script that 1.Gives a list of files/directories recursively in /boot |
| 09:28.49 | tuntun | 2.Pipes the filenames to "stat" to get name/type/size/ctime/mtime |
| 09:28.49 | tuntun | 3.pipes ctime/mtime to "date" to reformat it (using the "--date=" option to specify the date/time as opposed to current time) and finally |
| 09:28.49 | tuntun | 3.outputs name/type/size/ctime/mtime to file.out. I want to get it to look exactly like this(http://rafb.net/p/ZdC2V774.html) but currently my script(http://rafb.net/p/xBqfuu54.html) only outputs this(http://rafb.net/p/COtqZe87.html). Does anyone know how to fix this script of mine, or even overhaul it entirely? (I use Terminal in Ubuntu). |
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| 09:28.56 | cast | cstream is handy |
| 09:29.14 | DocPlatypus | wow |
| 09:29.20 | DocPlatypus | he wasn't really flooding from what I can tell |
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| 09:29.50 | cast | >3 is normally thought of as a flood |
| 09:30.05 | tuntun | sorry... |
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| 09:30.32 | cast | tuntun: and you use ubuntu do you |
| 09:30.41 | tuntun | yes |
| 09:31.00 | cast | tuntun: so you see why this is a very bad place to look for help eh |
| 09:31.02 | Ronin | tuntun: so why not ask in #ubuntu then? |
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| 09:31.29 | tuntun | i did |
| 09:32.16 | Ronin | tuntun: then be patient there and wait |
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| 09:32.45 | tuntun | how do i break up lines? |
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| 09:34.20 | Guerin | tuntun: using a credit card, typically |
| 09:34.32 | Ronin | heh |
| 09:34.41 | Guerin | ... or so they tell me |
| 09:34.54 | cast | tuntun: ill do it for 15USD |
| 09:35.22 | Quintin | what is the job? I'll do it for 14.50 USD |
| 09:35.25 | Quintin | and I need the money more |
| 09:35.46 | Quintin | things you don't want to hear from a chick: "Holy crap, I think I might be pregnant" |
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| 09:36.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:36.33 | jelly-home | whatever it is, I'll do it for 75/hr, two hours minimum... beat that! :-) |
| 09:36.41 | jelly-home | break them up real good |
| 09:36.57 | Guerin | i'm so freaking busy these days I wouldn't even do it for that |
| 09:37.52 | tuntun | where is your spirit of free information? |
| 09:38.18 | Ronin | its still sleeping tuntun |
| 09:38.31 | jelly-home | the spirit is willing but the body is weak |
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| 09:38.44 | Ronin | tuntun: you run ubuntu not debian,anything we suggest could make the matter worse for you, just ask in #ubuntu and be patient |
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| 09:39.14 | jelly-home | tuntun: you probably want a shell scripting channel, though |
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| 09:39.36 | Guerin | yeah |
| 09:39.43 | tuntun | Ronin:but my question isn't specific to Ubuntu as far as i know |
| 09:39.43 | Guerin | there are plenty of ways to skin that particular cat |
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| 09:40.33 | jelly-home | tuntun: however, it is not Debian specific either |
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| 09:42.00 | tuntun | Ronin:" just ask in #ubuntu and be patien" does that mean to ask my question every few minutes until someone replies? |
| 09:42.28 | DocPlatypus | I'd ask again in an hour or so if nobody replies, don't keep spamming the channel |
| 09:42.38 | Ronin | tuntun: no you do that and you'll get rightly kicked out, ask and wait then if no one answers in say 30min politely ask again |
| 09:43.21 | dimir | Moin! |
| 09:43.42 | tuntun | DocPlatypus/Ronin: but who will is going to be rading anything other than the last few lines? |
| 09:43.58 | jelly-home | what does moin mean, btw? |
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| 09:44.07 | Ronin | jelly-home: badly typed morning? |
| 09:44.11 | xand | nothing, some annoying phrase |
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| 09:45.03 | tuntun | DocPlatypus/Ronin: but who is going to be reading anything other than the last few lines? |
| 09:45.14 | jelly-home | !tell tuntun -about repeat |
| 09:45.19 | jelly-home | :-D |
| 09:45.32 | tuntun | i was fixing the typos |
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| 09:49.42 | jelly-home | tuntun: basically, don't expect volunteers to do your homework |
| 09:49.51 | tuntun | No-one is going to read 30 minutes of comments just to answer my question, and anyone who had just joined in wouldn't even have the record of the question, so thats why I thought that it was standard to repost your question every few minutes |
| 09:50.30 | slap | how do i add a command to be executed in boot time? |
| 09:50.45 | cast | vi /etc/rc.local |
| 09:50.55 | et | tuntun: replace minutes with hours and that's okay, otherwise it's just annoying. |
| 09:50.56 | jelly-home | tuntun: you don't expect them to read the comments. Delaying an hour is to be less annoying, and to get a different set of people to see your problem. |
| 09:50.59 | Ronin | find, do it your way then tuntun |
| 09:52.15 | slap | but rc.local runs at the end of EACH runlevel? so it will run many times? |
| 09:52.39 | jelly-home | tuntun: if you repeat more often you won't get many new people to see your issue, and you'll annoy the folks who have already seen it but do not have anything to contribute to it |
| 09:52.41 | cast | itll run once per boot as i understand it |
| 09:52.45 | tuntun | Ronin: I see I can't find the help here, but I would like to know-who reads, the 30 mins of comments they missed when they where busy? |
| 09:53.11 | jelly-home | tuntun: no one reads the comments, that's not the point. |
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| 09:53.31 | slap | # This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel. |
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| 09:54.07 | Element14 | slap: i think you enter a multiuser runlevel once per boot unless you change runlevels yourself... |
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| 09:54.24 | jelly-home | slap: it will run as many times as you change to a runlevel 2-5 |
| 09:54.38 | jelly-home | (if the comment is to be believed) |
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| 09:55.17 | tuntun | "that's not the point" what is? |
| 09:55.26 | Ronin | tuntun: let it go |
| 09:55.28 | jelly-home | tuntun: I just wrote it, above. |
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| 09:57.47 | tuntun | well at least how do I make gaim break up a long comment? |
| 09:58.25 | DocPlatypus | tuntun: my advice, don't use gaim for IRC |
| 09:58.37 | DocPlatypus | use xchat or something designed specifically for IRC |
| 09:58.52 | tuntun | whats the difference |
| 09:58.57 | dlx | how can i change the shell of a user? directly editing the passwd file? |
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| 09:59.09 | jelly-home | dlx: usermod |
| 09:59.14 | dlx | ah thx |
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| 10:00.40 | DocPlatypus | tuntun: the difference is gaim (or pidgin, its successor) was originally intended to be an IM client, and then it's like "oh yeah, it can do IRC" |
| 10:00.53 | DocPlatypus | xchat is designed to do IRC, and *only* IRC |
| 10:01.10 | jelly-home | dlx: the user can change it himself with chsh if it's allowed |
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| 10:01.26 | DocPlatypus | it's kind of like using a blender to shred your junk mail... you can, but it's not really what it's intended for |
| 10:01.43 | tuntun | why is it*better* |
| 10:02.09 | DocPlatypus | tuntun: like I just said, gaim/pidgin weren't originally written to be IRC clients. xchat was |
| 10:02.16 | dlx | jelly-home: how would i restrict that? |
| 10:02.18 | DocPlatypus | IRC was added to gaim/pidgin as an afterthought |
| 10:03.49 | tuntun | but its not like there are any amazing new featurs that aren't 10yrs old |
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| 10:05.07 | CrashDummy | sheesh this is clumsy, I don't know how anyone can stand to IRC like this |
| 10:05.11 | jelly-home | tuntun: searching the logs and completion can be quite useful |
| 10:05.24 | cast | you seem to know a lot for someone who doesn't know a lot :\ |
| 10:06.02 | jelly-home | dlx: changing chsh's pam setup, I guess |
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| 10:08.03 | tuntun | I barely know the basic usage of gaim (2days), I wouldn't have a clue how "good" its, other than the fact that its a pretty simple form of communication, |
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| 10:09.13 | DocPlatypus | as a last resort, if I had no way of getting xchat set up, I'd IRC from gaim/pidgin... but man, that's way clumsy |
| 10:09.27 | DocPlatypus | it's about 10 times worse than IRCing from Trillian as I remember it |
| 10:09.39 | xand | !irssi |
| 10:09.39 | dpkg | well, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 10:09.47 | tuntun | I don't even know what half the text flashing in my face means. |
| 10:10.07 | DocPlatypus | tuntun: because you're using something designed as an IM client for IRC |
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| 10:11.07 | cast | tuntun: dare i ask, why were you trying to tabulate the {m,c}times from /boot? |
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| 10:12.10 | efaistos_ | did someone use a smart array p400 card on debian ? |
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| 10:12.19 | efaistos_ | is there a driver available ? |
| 10:12.31 | tuntun | well Im not expecting an answer here, but I need a plaintext log of the filesystem |
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| 10:13.34 | cast | tuntun: but why. |
| 10:14.30 | wols_ | must be a slow postsunday |
| 10:15.20 | tuntun | wols: how did you know my question was for ubuntu (not actually) |
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| 10:16.31 | wols_ | it doesn't matter for what it is/was. you said you run ubuntu, that's enough for me |
| 10:17.08 | DocPlatypus | tuntun: if you don't run Debian, you shouldn't be asking here |
| 10:17.13 | DocPlatypus | Ubuntu is Ubuntu, not Debian |
| 10:17.29 | tuntun | I know... |
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| 10:18.38 | tuntun | What does this mean(DocPlatypus: Received CTCP 'VERSION' (to tuntun) from DocPlatypus)??? |
| 10:19.19 | wols_ | he checks your irc client version |
| 10:19.33 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.11 | DocPlatypus | it's nothing Freenode's freenode-connect bot doesn't do when you login |
| 10:21.06 | tuntun | cast:"tuntun: but why." There are some files I need to keep a record of but that don't necessitate the (size) of backing-up. |
| 10:22.03 | DocPlatypus | may as well back up the whole lot, small files won't take up much room |
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| 10:22.44 | cast | tuntun: keep a record of why? |
| 10:23.14 | tuntun | no, I have to keep a record of them *without* backing them up. |
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| 10:24.00 | cast | i'm just curious as to what problem you are solving. if you want a record of them, the filesystem is your record of them |
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| 10:24.56 | cast | how is backing up the atime/mtime [on my system there is no ctime] useful? |
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| 10:25.24 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.36 | tuntun | whats ids? |
| 10:25.48 | cast | intrusion detection system |
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| 10:26.36 | benkong2 | my logs are full of this. "Sep 24 06:22:37 peter kernel: Rejectwall: IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:0c:31:f4:28:01:08:00 SRC=10.125.96.1 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=434 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=34540 PROTO=UDP SPT=67 DPT=68 LEN=414 " |
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| 10:26.56 | lukas___ | Hi, I have some problems with intel iwlwifi4965 (debian), has anyone solve it? |
| 10:27.02 | benkong2 | I think it comes from my firewall rules but not sure what it means |
| 10:27.16 | benkong2 | can someone help me understand? |
| 10:27.27 | cast | benkong2: read your firewall rules then, you can redirect netfilter logs to ulogd, i suggest that btw |
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| 10:27.55 | lukas___ | benkong2: you are beginner or you ask some specific question? |
| 10:28.02 | benkong2 | cast: ok thanks |
| 10:28.13 | benkong2 | lukas___: a beginner |
| 10:28.16 | tuntun | well the files are saved, but mooved of the current filesystem. |
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| 10:28.58 | lukas___ | benkong2: then it would be good for you to read some iptables/firewall docs/howto. What firewall script are you using? |
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| 10:29.05 | dlx | are the default file permissions for /var/log, /etc and so on secure on a default debian etch install? because tiger complains about some stuff...? |
| 10:29.29 | benkong2 | I cannot understand where or what this rule is telling me. actually what this output is telling me is a better way to state it.I am using the debian howto iptables/firewall script |
| 10:29.50 | lukas___ | benkong2: some coppied script? |
| 10:30.03 | cast | dlx: probably, what file specifically is an issue? |
| 10:30.05 | benkong2 | lukas___: sorry to say but yes it is |
| 10:30.12 | benkong2 | from the debian admin page |
| 10:30.22 | jelly-home | benkong2: url? |
| 10:30.29 | lukas___ | benkong2: no need to apologize, well, do you understand the line? |
| 10:30.30 | benkong2 | hold omn a sec |
| 10:30.30 | wols_ | benkong2: dhcp messages |
| 10:30.38 | dlx | it complains about /etc/grub/menu.lst and a few files in /var/log |
| 10:30.50 | tuntun | I'm moving of to another channel now... |
| 10:31.00 | dlx | now i'm not so sure if the other permissions are ok?! |
| 10:31.15 | wols_ | dlx: maybe ask the tiger (whatever that is) people why they flag it |
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| 10:31.58 | bobf | Anyone able to contact ftp.debian.org? |
| 10:31.58 | dlx | ok thx (it's something like bastille...i guess) |
| 10:32.10 | sine | bobf empty |
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| 10:32.31 | bobf | sine: empty? |
| 10:32.50 | sine | when i connected the other dy couldnt get a list |
| 10:32.56 | bobf | Diggidy dang. |
| 10:33.33 | bobf | I just managed to download and install something, then it stopped responding, 100% packet loss on pings. |
| 10:33.34 | jelly-home | bobf: telnet ftp.debian.org ftp doesn't really work here (resolves to 128.101.240.212) |
| 10:33.43 | jelly-home | bobf: you killed it! |
| 10:33.52 | bobf | Sorry, everyone! ;) |
| 10:33.59 | wols_ | jelly-home: why would debian.org run a telnet server of all things? |
| 10:34.03 | bobf | I only wanted a graphical calculator. :\ |
| 10:34.08 | wols_ | oops. missed the "ftp" at the end |
| 10:34.09 | jelly-home | wols_: note the port. |
| 10:34.24 | benkong2 | brb folks thanks for the help thus far I am going to find that iptables script and read more to understand the rules |
| 10:34.25 | jelly-home | bobf: there be plenty of mirrors. |
| 10:34.30 | wols_ | bobf: why is ftp.debian.org in your sources.list? |
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| 10:34.40 | bobf | jelly-home: mirrors shmirrors. |
| 10:34.44 | jelly-home | bobf: try http://http.us.debian.org for example |
| 10:35.11 | bobf | wols_, because I'm forgetful, is the honest answer. |
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| 10:36.23 | bobf | Actually, debian's probably got a mirror on my ISP, silly me. |
| 10:36.38 | sine | bobf yes it has |
| 10:36.45 | jelly-home | bobf: or, say, ftp.uk.d.o judging by your hostname |
| 10:37.00 | sine | how comes your ip isnt virgin now |
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| 10:37.26 | bobf | Not sure, I'm wondering if they're keeping the same infrastructure. |
| 10:37.30 | cast | because another ip said the key phrase, 'i love you lets make love' |
| 10:37.33 | DocPlatypus | sine: that line is just begging for a bad joke |
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| 10:37.39 | DocPlatypus | too late |
| 10:37.49 | bobf | Hehehe. |
| 10:37.55 | sine | ......... |
| 10:38.29 | jelly-home | that was some peer-to-peer action |
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| 10:39.17 | petemc | virgin havent changed any of the residential ips ptr records, it seems |
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| 10:41.11 | sine | my headphones dont take the audio it still comes out the speakers on my laptop how can i fix this |
| 10:42.18 | bobf | sine, you might want to get a newer version of alsa mixer. |
| 10:42.41 | jelly-home | sine: do you see the headphone output in alsamixer? |
| 10:42.55 | bobf | I noticed on debian etch the mixer had seperate volume for my headphones and speakers, but sid's version has this fixed. |
| 10:43.15 | sine | hmm ok i ticked it |
| 10:43.23 | jelly-home | bobf: it's not alsamixer's problem, it's the driver |
| 10:43.32 | sine | and its comming out of headphones and speakers |
| 10:43.52 | jelly-home | sine: now press m on the speakers (Front?) to mute them |
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| 10:45.11 | sine | i tried to mute them in also but all sound stops |
| 10:45.30 | themill | sine: it's a really driver- and hardware-dependent thing, unfortunately. The guys on #alsa might be able to provide more info, although they will probably just complain that you're not using the latest and greatest alsa (since you're using etch). |
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| 10:45.33 | troubled | moin |
| 10:45.47 | EbilPhish | I wish people would stop putting the $ in front of CLI examples it makes cutting and pasting hard |
| 10:45.56 | sine | but |
| 10:46.07 | sine | etch is only a couple of months old how can it be so behind with things |
| 10:46.09 | lukas___ | So noone has worked out 4965 intel wifi? |
| 10:46.16 | jelly-home | sine: it your card is using the snd-hda-intel driver (verify with eg. lsmod|grep snd-), upgrading the kernel with fix some problems |
| 10:46.44 | EbilPhish | Also the $ isn't used on most distros nowdays, FreeBSD and such do it and maybe if you remove your shell profile completely |
| 10:47.10 | jelly-home | s/with/might/ |
| 10:47.16 | petemc | EbilPhish: its the debiab default |
| 10:47.34 | petemc | debian.. |
| 10:47.35 | themill | !tell lukas___ about ipw4965 |
| 10:47.52 | EbilPhish | petemc: Mines 'hostname:~#' |
| 10:47.58 | petemc | EbilPhish: thats for root |
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| 10:48.07 | petemc | you shouldnt run a shell as root all the time |
| 10:48.24 | bobf | sine: when you get a distribution when it's released, you're getting packages that have been through several stages of testing to ensure that they're of release standard quality, so you'll never have the latest release of things. |
| 10:48.27 | jelly-home | EbilPhish: it's not so hard if the prompt and the command and separated by space |
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| 10:49.50 | bobf | Eh, I always type everything anyway, makes it easier to remember it. |
| 10:50.35 | sine | jelly, ok i have the intel codec so you say upgrading the kernel will fix this whats the latest kernel and isnt that like totally updating the system |
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| 10:51.42 | themill | sine: snd-hda-intel improved a lot in 2.6.21 and .22. I've come across a few laptops that need those kernels to have decent sound with that chipset. |
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| 10:52.04 | themill | sine: .21 is in backports which makes it an easier upgrade to do. |
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| 10:52.43 | jelly-home | sine: no, the kernel can be updated pretty much independently from the rest |
| 10:53.06 | Nihill | pfftt I cant finish my media center without a remote |
| 10:53.39 | Nihill | wheres a good place to get a remote? |
| 10:53.57 | sine | so how do i upgrade themill i suppose i have to read up about it or can i apt-get or somthing will it break my system ? |
| 10:54.04 | wols_ | Nihill: in #hardware or a lirc forum/channel/whatever. definitely not in #debian |
| 10:54.23 | wols_ | !tell sine about backports |
| 10:54.25 | sine | so the kernel is what has most of the system drivers in ? |
| 10:54.38 | wols_ | all of your drivers usually |
| 10:54.59 | sine | wow that sounds like a sensible idea to do anyway |
| 10:55.05 | sine | if its not that dangerous |
| 10:55.08 | bobf | wols_, do you know where I can get some weed? |
| 10:55.08 | themill | sine: add backports to your sources.list and then aptitude install linux-image-2.6.21-.... |
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| 10:55.27 | wols_ | !moron bobf |
| 10:55.27 | dpkg | bobf: You are moron #81 |
| 10:55.34 | bobf | ;) |
| 10:55.36 | cast | aptitude -t etch-backports might be needed |
| 10:55.56 | sine | but i still need to add backports to my sources.list |
| 10:55.57 | wols_ | sine: backports.org has instructions. just read them |
| 10:56.00 | themill | cast: it should pick it up automatically as it's only in backprots |
| 10:56.20 | cast | hmm, /me tries |
| 10:56.34 | themill | cast: /me did it weeks ago ;) |
| 10:56.39 | cast | hey...a .22 image :D |
| 10:56.51 | wols_ | cast: for amd64 only iirc |
| 10:56.55 | themill | cast: ?? in backports? |
| 10:57.00 | wols_ | yes in backports |
| 10:57.06 | cast | you are correct. i was waiting ages for .22 to be in bpo, linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64 |
| 10:57.17 | jelly-home | no 2.6.23-rc7-mm1-patchfoo44 yet? it's been out for almost an hour! Debian sux. |
| 10:57.18 | themill | cast: ahh.. not i386... oh well.... |
| 10:57.25 | ds7 | . |
| 10:57.46 | cast | themill: heh. situation reversal, amd64 has something i386 doesn't :> |
| 10:57.55 | cast | there a reason only amd64 made it into bpo? |
| 10:58.01 | jelly-home | somebody built it? |
| 10:58.34 | jelly-home | er, does bpo have own buildds? |
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| 11:01.05 | troubled | jelly-home: lol re: out for an hour |
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| 11:03.01 | muh2000 | how is the debian base config tool called ß |
| 11:03.02 | muh2000 | ? |
| 11:03.40 | dss7 | config for what? |
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| 11:04.21 | BotaniCar | debconf ? :) |
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| 11:04.43 | muh2000 | dss7: the base system. like desktop environment file server etc |
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| 11:04.46 | babilen | hi all! anybody is aware of a command line tool to send email messages unsupervised. it should take a list of email addresses and the message text as argument. |
| 11:05.18 | troubled | babilen: oh, you mean a spam bot? |
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| 11:05.20 | babilen | i was using sendmail before, but we are using exim4 now. |
| 11:05.23 | dss7 | babilen: mail |
| 11:05.32 | iguannago | !tell > |
| 11:05.40 | iguannago | !tell iguanna > |
| 11:05.52 | muh2000 | debconf doesnt do anything |
| 11:06.04 | iguannago | !tell iguanna about > |
| 11:06.05 | dss7 | muh2000: well, there's no graphical config tool for debian |
| 11:06.07 | troubled | iguannago: are you ok? need a hand? |
| 11:06.12 | babilen | troubled: no i od not mean a spam bot. my professor wants to send an email to a bunch of people, whos addresses she has in a "\n" seperated file... |
| 11:06.27 | muh2000 | dss7: there used to be. |
| 11:06.32 | dss7 | babilen: use the cmd tool "mail" |
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| 11:06.35 | themill | iguannago: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:06.46 | iguannago | troubled: htmltotext > file.txt |
| 11:06.48 | troubled | babilen: probably not much unlike how a spam bot works :) but mail is the command as prviously mentioned |
| 11:06.56 | iguannago | but doen't works |
| 11:07.05 | babilen | dss7: will it be able to take a list of email addresses to send mail to? |
| 11:07.05 | muh2000 | dss7: well it was with ncurses... |
| 11:07.07 | iguannago | file.txt empty |
| 11:07.21 | dss7 | babilen: it should be, with a little scripting |
| 11:07.27 | troubled | iguannago: i dont know the app, but I know your problem: htmltotext 2>&1 > file.txt |
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| 11:07.32 | babilen | ok, i'll read the man page. never used mail for something other, then very short messages to local users... |
| 11:07.42 | dss7 | muh2000: you mean linuxconf? |
| 11:07.45 | babilen | dss7: ok |
| 11:07.49 | themill | babilen: most mail readers will allow you to paste a set of email addrs like that into the bcc field. Or use the mail command in a script. Or use something like mailman that is designed for it. |
| 11:08.13 | iguannago | htmltotext 2>&1 > file.txt |
| 11:08.17 | babilen | yes, mailman could be an option. |
| 11:08.17 | iguannago | thanks |
| 11:08.29 | babilen | i'll have a look at mail. |
| 11:08.34 | troubled | iguannago: my bad, actually its command > file.txt 2>&1 |
| 11:08.46 | troubled | iguannago: bash is very picky about the order of that :) |
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| 11:08.58 | muh2000 | dss7: no, just for the basic system fileserver mailserver printserver desktop-environment were the things i could select. also how can i change the level of questions asked by dpkg/apt when installing stuff ? |
| 11:09.20 | babilen | she was using "sendmail -F frank@dfki.de `cat eacl-member.emails` < newsletter.txt" before. just thought there is something equally easily with our exim4 setup.. |
| 11:09.47 | dss7 | muh2000: oh, "man debconf" :) |
| 11:10.00 | Jaggz- | how can rsync create the dirs I specify locally? I don't want to type: rsync -vr site.edu::debian/dists/etch/ debian/dists/etch/ ---- because I have to re-run this thing for only the i386 dirs |
| 11:10.00 | jelly-home | babilen: that ought to work with exim too. |
| 11:10.13 | dss7 | muh2000: and install packages or tasks with aptitude |
| 11:10.22 | troubled | babilen: exim is a sendmail compatible replacement I believe. so whatever you do with sendmail, exim should be able to mimic at the command line level |
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| 11:10.37 | Jaggz- | I'm trying to mirror the site locally (or get it started -- then I'll copy the files from my local .isos I already downloaded) |
| 11:10.43 | Jaggz- | but I only care about the i386 ones |
| 11:11.04 | babilen | troubled: ok, i'll check that |
| 11:11.14 | babilen | thnxs all! |
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| 11:11.45 | Ramattack | Hi! |
| 11:12.10 | Ramattack | have you experienced how rsync works with opened files= |
| 11:12.11 | Ramattack | ? |
| 11:12.12 | jelly-home | Jaggz-: if you're trying to create a debian mirror, might try debmirror |
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| 11:13.51 | Jaggz- | I'm in windows though :) |
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| 11:15.13 | cast | poor guy, using windows |
| 11:15.50 | X-Ra | i only use it for games |
| 11:16.00 | blinx | anyone can recommend a tool to find duplicate files? |
| 11:16.12 | blinx | especially for music, it is a really big database |
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| 11:17.30 | muh2000 | dss7: aptitude i will do that later but before that i wanted the meta selection of that menu.. :/ |
| 11:17.34 | Jaggz- | I had a find unique script but I can't find it anymore |
| 11:17.47 | blinx | Jaggz-: hm :) |
| 11:17.56 | blinx | you have to find your find script |
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| 11:18.18 | dss7 | muh2000: right, then use "tasksel" |
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| 11:18.54 | Narada | how do i list the options that an ext3 fs was formatted with |
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| 11:19.16 | ribasushi | Narada: dumpe2fs -h /dev/whatever |
| 11:19.17 | muh2000 | dss7: thanks that is it :) |
| 11:19.19 | dss7 | Narada: ext3utils |
| 11:19.29 | dss7 | muh2000: yeah :) |
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| 11:20.13 | ixion | hey guys, how do I go about giving an interface a second ip address? I usually configure by edting /etc/network/interface |
| 11:20.22 | ixion | can I just add a second one ? |
| 11:20.46 | Jaggz- | http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=49198 Find duplicate files |
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| 11:21.31 | ribasushi | ixion: if your interface is eth0, use eth0:1 like it was a separate interface |
| 11:21.43 | blinx | Jaggz-: thx |
| 11:21.46 | ribasushi | ixion: describe address netmask and other stuff and ifup eth0:1 |
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| 11:21.54 | ixion | ta |
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| 11:23.16 | ixion | whats the route syntax? |
| 11:23.32 | ribasushi | ixion: eh? |
| 11:23.41 | ixion | ive done the int now I need to add a route |
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| 11:23.52 | ribasushi | ixion: to where? |
| 11:23.57 | ixion | route add 172.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 via 172.16.2.1 |
| 11:24.11 | ixion | not sure of syntax tho |
| 11:24.18 | ribasushi | ixion: why? |
| 11:24.30 | ribasushi | 172.1.1.1 is a routable internet address |
| 11:24.34 | graytron | how do i remove the Debian menu in Debian from all users? |
| 11:24.42 | claudio` | Can i make a video of my current view?! I mean, something like script(1) but for X11 and which make the AVI/MPG/etc. formats? |
| 11:24.44 | ixion | that was an example |
| 11:24.55 | ixion | I need all traffic to be routed to df gw except 172.16.2.0 |
| 11:25.07 | ixion | soo.. I need to add a route for 172.16.2.0 via 172.16.2.1 |
| 11:25.08 | ribasushi | ixion: a route for the entire network covered by the netmask is automatically added when you do ifup |
| 11:25.14 | ribasushi | ixion: this is why I asked |
| 11:25.36 | ixion | and a route for 10.0.0.0 via 172.16.2.0 |
| 11:25.43 | ixion | sorry... short on sleep |
| 11:25.50 | ixion | er 2.1 |
| 11:26.06 | ribasushi | ixion: this is something that /etc/network/interfaces does not currently handle - use an external script |
| 11:26.14 | ixion | crap let me start again lol.... |
| 11:26.31 | ixion | how do I add a route for: 10.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 via 172.16.2.1 |
| 11:26.36 | ribasushi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.58 | ixion | sureley all I need is the route add command like any other operating system |
| 11:26.58 | ribasushi | drop a script there that checks if the interface being acted upon is eth0:1 and do whatever you wish |
| 11:27.49 | ribasushi | ixion: oh, you mean the _actual_ command? :)) |
| 11:28.09 | ixion | well the syntax of it yeh |
| 11:28.26 | ixion | i.e windows is route add 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 172.16.2.1 |
| 11:28.40 | ixion | cisco is ip route 10.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 172.16.2.1 |
| 11:28.46 | ixion | sooo whats linux |
| 11:28.46 | ribasushi | ip route add blabla/bla dev bla via blabla |
| 11:28.49 | iguannago | i have a debian distri branch sarge hence my repository read from sarge, and now i wanto to install qt4(4.2) exactly the package in branck etch of debian, i have tried changing 'sarge' to 'etch' and then... |
| 11:28.53 | ixion | I actually type via ? |
| 11:29.04 | ribasushi | yes :) |
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| 11:29.22 | blinx | Jaggz-: http://www.pixelbeat.org/fslint/ |
| 11:29.23 | ribasushi | you might skip the via or the dev, it is smart enough |
| 11:29.28 | blinx | I will test this one |
| 11:29.33 | ribasushi | ixion: ip route help |
| 11:29.57 | iguannago | doing apt-get insatall qt4-dev-tools but apt trys upgrade and install a lot of package and it'd cuase a disaster in my system. |
| 11:30.22 | spq | bla is german, isnt it? |
| 11:30.32 | iguannago | can i install only 1 packete and only its dependences? |
| 11:31.17 | ribasushi | spq: no idea - in my case it is an abbreviation of blah |
| 11:31.29 | spq | :) |
| 11:31.34 | ixion | aha success |
| 11:31.58 | ixion | now I need this box to nat traffic from other hosts to this network |
| 11:32.35 | ixion | damn... I forgot I had to do that... thought I had finished :/ |
| 11:32.57 | Jaggz- | wow, fslint installs its stuff into a funny dir :) |
| 11:33.12 | ribasushi | ixion: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/NAT-HOWTO.html |
| 11:33.34 | ixion | ta |
| 11:33.46 | Jaggz- | oh, I get it, deliberately hiding the command-line ones which the wrapper wraps |
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| 11:34.58 | ixion | hmm, I dont want this to to NAT everything... just stuff destined for 10.0.0.0/8 |
| 11:35.18 | ixion | ah thats on the next page :) |
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| 11:37.46 | iguannago | how do i install 1 only package and its dependences with apt-get? |
| 11:38.04 | ixion | um apt-get install package |
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| 11:39.35 | iguannago | yes, but by this way, it will install too other packages if apt-get detects upgrade package and i don't want |
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| 11:41.07 | iguannago | i added a repository etch and it's clear that my debian detects a lot of newer packages to install and i only want to install 1 package and its dependences. |
| 11:41.32 | iguannago | then i come back a my sarge repository. |
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| 11:41.35 | sine | how much is different in the latest disrto |
| 11:41.53 | sine | i mean the unstable one im thinking of installing it |
| 11:42.12 | wols_ | iguannago: you cannot do that |
| 11:42.16 | wols_ | !tell iguannago about bobbitt |
| 11:42.28 | wols_ | iguannago: you can backport or use a preexisting backport tho |
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| 11:43.17 | shamrock | Folks, which dyndns client do you use? ezupdate somehow bypassed my router mapping to give dyndns the idea that my IP was 192.168.0.101. ddclient simply didn't work. Do you use a client or do you use your routers dyndns setup with port forwarding? Debian etch. |
| 11:43.26 | wols_ | ixion: you don't need to mess with route. just edit your interface file correctly and it will be done for you |
| 11:44.11 | wols_ | shamrock: it's quite hard to get the public IP from behind a NAT. most/all consumer routers have a dyndns client built in for years now |
| 11:44.12 | iguannago | wols_: the problems is that i need 4.2 version and in backport the newer version is 4.1.3 |
| 11:44.24 | wols_ | iguannago: then you need to do your own backport |
| 11:44.32 | wols_ | iguannago: mysql? |
| 11:44.40 | iguannago | postgresql |
| 11:45.06 | wols_ | iguannago: there is also snapshot.debian.net. check them |
| 11:45.35 | shamrock | wols_: so the router with port forwarding is the way? |
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| 11:45.48 | wols_ | shamrock: no portforwarding for dyndns needed at all |
| 11:46.25 | wols_ | why do you insist on that? and for your servers you want to be accessible behind the router, you always need port forwarding, with or without any dyndns |
| 11:46.53 | shamrock | wols_: we must be talking about different thing. any requests to the routers IP (viy dyndns) need to be forwarded to the correct machine. |
| 11:47.14 | wols_ | shamrock: yes, but that has NOTHING to do with a dyndns client |
| 11:47.38 | shamrock | I was referring to the dyndns service. e.g my.address -> 77.12.13.14 |
| 11:48.13 | wols_ | shamrock: does your router have a dyndns client build in? |
| 11:48.48 | shamrock | yes. And its set up. But for some reason the port forwarding isnt working. But that isnt a question for here I think. |
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| 11:49.29 | wols_ | if your router has a dyndns client: use it |
| 11:49.38 | iguannago | wols_:for example i installed a postgresql version newer than in my repository, i got the source from oficcial web and i will compile it, and it works fine. could i do same with qt4? |
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| 11:50.32 | wols_ | iguannago: it won't work fine. debian doesn't know that you have postgresql installed and won't install ANY software that depends on pgsql. you just broke your packaging system.we won't support that here |
| 11:50.52 | shamrock | wols_: funny enough when I googled it up, a lot of people said the opposite. Namely that routers dyndns services are notoriously buggy. |
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| 11:50.56 | wols_ | with QT4 it would mean you can't install e.g. KDE |
| 11:51.16 | troubled | !tell iguannago -about equivs |
| 11:51.34 | troubled | someone really needs to make it so -about doesnt msg you at all |
| 11:51.35 | wols_ | troubled: bad solution. it's a last ditch one. if/when he upgrades it will be trouble imho |
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| 11:52.03 | troubled | wols_: /nick wols!@ |
| 11:52.04 | wols_ | troubled: tell dondelelcaro to create a --about option |
| 11:52.11 | wols_ | you wish |
| 11:52.21 | Jaggz- | what gpg pubkey do I need to have for this debmirror to work? |
| 11:52.38 | Jaggz- | I have a ~/.gnupg/ dir with a pubring.gpg |
| 11:52.43 | troubled | wols_: heh. actualy, i would think -about should be nothing, about should be just what -about does now, and +about should be the full factoid |
| 11:52.52 | troubled | wols_: that sound good? |
| 11:52.57 | jelly-home | iguannago: you can't easily do that and expect packages from debian to work with your library. You could, however, use a path like /usr/local or /opt/qt4 as a prefix for installation from source and build all your qt4 apps with that |
| 11:52.59 | sine | wols |
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| 11:53.14 | sine | i cant find any info about kernel upgrade |
| 11:53.22 | sine | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-package/ |
| 11:53.29 | sine | would it be that |
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| 11:53.55 | wols_ | sine: read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions. ALL of it |
| 11:53.55 | troubled | Jaggz-: you gotta export your pub key to apt-keys for it to allow your private mirror to work |
| 11:54.13 | sine | ok mate |
| 11:54.17 | iguannago | jelly-home: it's a good way |
| 11:54.19 | troubled | Jaggz-: in addition to signing the Release file of course |
| 11:54.24 | jelly-home | iguannago: if the package you need is in etch, I'd suggest upgrading your whole system... sarge isn't going to be supported much longer |
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| 11:55.05 | jelly-home | !sarge->etch |
| 11:55.05 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 11:55.06 | wols_ | iguannago: around next april there won't be any security updates for sarge anymore |
| 11:55.07 | Jaggz- | It's not just downloading this file and gpg'ing it? http://ftp-master.debian.org/archive-key-4.0.asc ? |
| 11:55.23 | cast | just so i'm clean on this, linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64 [2.6.22-4~bpo40+1] has 'Maintainer: Debian Kernel Team <debian-kernel@lists.debian.org>' is this field true? or has someone forgot to change the maintainer field in the control file |
| 11:55.32 | iguannago | jelly-home: no, my system is not a pure debian and if a upgrade to etch my system'll come down. |
| 11:55.51 | wols_ | iguannago: then we can't support you anyways |
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| 11:56.02 | wols_ | probably a knoppix with dbeian sources or such |
| 11:56.18 | garo | Can someone tell me the difference between data size,locked-in-memory address space,resident set size and stack size ? |
| 11:56.25 | jelly-home | iguannago: uh, if you're not using debian it's not smart to ask questions here, since they might resuly in your system being hosed anyway |
| 11:56.29 | Jaggz- | nope -- still says public key not found.. okay.. hmm.. have to export pub key to apt-keys |
| 11:56.36 | Jaggz- | I don't even remember making a pub key |
| 11:56.38 | iguannago | i know friends |
| 11:56.51 | wols_ | garo: homework isn't on topic here |
| 11:56.54 | iguannago | but my system is like a sarge debian. |
| 11:57.03 | wols_ | iguannago: you are lieing. |
| 11:57.10 | iguannago | no, sorry |
| 11:57.15 | wols_ | if it's sarge, you could upgrade without a problem. hence it's not. QeD |
| 11:57.22 | stew | cast: you can check the changelog to see who prepared the backport |
| 11:57.26 | iguannago | i meant a system very seemed a sarge debian. |
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| 11:59.56 | garo | wols_: it's not homework... |
| 12:00.18 | garo | I want to restrict the memory users can use in limits.conf |
| 12:00.31 | sine | wols ok mate ive read it now how do i upgrade my kernel |
| 12:00.47 | wols_ | sine: read it again until you actually understand it? |
| 12:00.56 | garo | And the comments in limits.conf tell me about data size,locked-in-memory address space,resident set size and stack size |
| 12:00.57 | sine | ive understood it |
| 12:01.03 | garo | but they don't explain them |
| 12:01.04 | sine | i dont know the name of the kernel to upgrade it |
| 12:01.10 | sine | how am i mean to know the name |
| 12:01.11 | wols_ | sine: good. then you don't have to ask. win win all around |
| 12:01.22 | cast | stew: cheers, found em. am alway suspect at installing packages not officially in debian |
| 12:01.30 | wols_ | !tell sine about search |
| 12:01.42 | sine | oh that |
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| 12:02.22 | en1gma | is there some kind of cheat that i can give the debian installer cd to load the driver for "silicon image 3112a sata controller" and also to tell the installer where the install cd is located? ex: the sata device is called "ata1" which when installing debian dont look at that location to search for the media |
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| 12:03.06 | jelly-home | is there an etch install image with a newer kernel? |
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| 12:03.17 | wols_ | !tell jelly-home about kmuto |
| 12:04.03 | sine | wols |
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| 12:04.31 | sine | im sorry mate ive just done a google and its come up, i dont know why i come here asking straight away im an idiot take me a while to get out of the habit |
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| 12:05.10 | jelly-home | en1gma: try using the image at /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 12:05.32 | Jaggz- | troubled, I'm going to make a mess of my keys I think |
| 12:05.40 | wols_ | en1gma: possibly the expert install. you can load kernel modules there manually as you like it |
| 12:05.53 | troubled | Jaggz-: ? |
| 12:05.57 | en1gma | ah maybe |
| 12:06.03 | iguannago | mates, i know that it's very dangerous but i need qt4 (4.2), the jelly-home's solution:use a path like /usr/local or /opt/qt4 as a prefix for installation from source and build all your qt4 apps with that, may be good. |
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| 12:06.33 | Jaggz- | troubled, I got gpg setup, and I have a new key generated, and I downloaded and gpg --imported the debian archive (4.0) key... |
| 12:06.40 | jelly-home | iguannago: it might work, but this is not exactly debian specific. |
| 12:07.04 | en1gma | hmmm ok will try both those ideas |
| 12:07.08 | en1gma | thanks |
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| 12:07.21 | Jaggz- | I'm reading this page (the last message) http://www.webservertalk.com/archive99-2006-2-1381472.html which has instructions on installing the key.. somewhere |
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| 12:07.33 | Jaggz- | but it doesn't use apt-key at all |
| 12:07.47 | cast | i should reboot, but i haven't rebooted in so long i'm worried the machine won't come back up :\ |
| 12:08.10 | iguannago | in this path i'll have to put all packages and dependences no? |
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| 12:08.36 | wols_ | iguannago: we cannot help you. ask the support of the distro you actually use |
| 12:08.53 | Jaggz- | in an earlier post on the same page they show: # gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F |
| 12:08.53 | Jaggz- | # gpg --export -a 2D230C5F | apt-key add - |
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| 12:09.09 | stew | iguannago: what version of debian are you running? |
| 12:09.13 | Jaggz- | I have no idea what any of this is though. |
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| 12:09.35 | iguannago | yes, i did it also but it's slower :( |
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| 12:09.44 | wols_ | < iguannago> jelly-home: no, my system is not a pure debian and if a upgrade to etch my system'll come down. |
| 12:09.45 | Jaggz- | I don't know where this key-id thing comes from anyway |
| 12:09.47 | iguannago | stew: kernerl (2.6.16-2) |
| 12:10.05 | stew | iguannago: if you aren't running debian, you are off-topic here |
| 12:10.11 | en1gma | im not sure what i really needs as far as what modules to be loaded....ex: when i set (in my bios) the "sata raid rom boot" option to enable....it then sees my dvd-rom and actually loads up the debian installer cd but later on during the install it asks for the cd-rom drivers to be loaded from floppy even though the debian installer cd has already been reading at this point...so i think the driver is loaded but its not pulling up the correct de |
| 12:10.32 | wols_ | en1gma: have you followed what jelly-home told you? |
| 12:10.45 | troubled | Jaggz-: ok, looks like you got your key added to apt-key ok. now you just need to find your Release file from the mirror and use gpg to sign it |
| 12:10.46 | en1gma | i seen what he told me |
| 12:10.55 | wols_ | en1gma: that's not what I asked |
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| 12:11.17 | iguannago | ok, thanks. |
| 12:11.35 | Jaggz- | troubled, there are Release files in multiple directories |
| 12:11.50 | en1gma | those images....do they have a different script that tells debian to look at ata devices for a means to install debian from |
| 12:11.51 | sine | wols what is your system then if its not a pure debian ubuntu ? |
| 12:11.53 | stew | iguannago: if you install the current version of debian, you'd have 4.2. We can help you with that, but we can't help you with some other distro |
| 12:11.56 | Jaggz- | ./.temp/dists/etch/contrib/binary-i386/Release ./.temp/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Release ./.temp/dists/etch/non-free/binary-i386/Release ./.temp/dists/etch/Release |
| 12:12.01 | Jaggz- | but they're all in .temp |
| 12:12.05 | troubled | Jaggz-: you want the highest level one. the others are referenced by that one |
| 12:12.28 | efaistos_ | is there a debian based distribution oriented to graphics software ? |
| 12:12.28 | Jaggz- | I think it just transferred these to my local system though -- won't it just overwrite it? |
| 12:12.38 | troubled | Jaggz-: ah, i think i know what you mean :) well, its the one that apt-get would try to download. should be easy to match up |
| 12:13.05 | stew | sine: 'a pure debian ubuntu'? that's sorta non-sensical |
| 12:13.11 | wols_ | sine: it certainly is not any form of ubuntu. is yours? |
| 12:13.14 | iguannago | stew, i know, thanks. |
| 12:13.52 | Jaggz- | is this "signing" so my debian-install will accept my mirror or is it to get debmirror to work? |
| 12:14.19 | jelly-home | en1gma: they have a newer kernel that works better with the sata controller you have |
| 12:14.23 | sine | no im on etch |
| 12:14.32 | troubled | Jaggz-: its so apt-get will accept your mirror. this has nothing to do with an install cd since the keys are read only |
| 12:14.48 | sine | its just you said its not a pure debian being a newb i was just trying to grasp the concept of how that could be |
| 12:15.00 | Jaggz- | oh.. I don't have a mirror yet |
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| 12:15.23 | Jaggz- | I downloaded the dvd .iso's, but the install is failing when reading the DVD |
| 12:15.26 | troubled | Jaggz-: the debian installer will accept and cd/dvd regarless of signed release (since they arent signed). but after you have everything installed, its used to authorize installtion from that mirror |
| 12:15.28 | sine | because i see people getting sent away from this chan as they are using ubuntu which is based on debian or somthing |
| 12:15.37 | en1gma | jelly-home at the "http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/" you are talking about? |
| 12:15.44 | jelly-home | en1gma: yes |
| 12:15.47 | wols_ | sine: e.g. people install knoppix on harddisk and then use debian repositories for their sources.list and isntall stuff from there. that's the most common, but various low user debian offshoots do it that way. causing grief for #debian |
| 12:15.48 | en1gma | k |
| 12:15.52 | en1gma | thanks |
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| 12:16.01 | zmitya | hi all |
| 12:16.06 | Jaggz- | so I'm hoping I can start a local mirror on this computer, then mount and copy the .iso's packages into the dir (to save from downloading all the packages in full) |
| 12:16.17 | zmitya | I would like to redirect the localhost:25 to localhost:2525 |
| 12:16.22 | wols_ | sine: cause #debian can only support debian and not any other distro |
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| 12:16.27 | en1gma | jelly-home do you think i should even try any of the info at that site with debian 4.0r1? |
| 12:16.30 | Jaggz- | but I know I need the mirror's directory structure, and wouldn't mind a few packages to get me started in the proper dir :) |
| 12:16.59 | stew | sine: ubuntu is a separate distribution with a separate support channel, and it is off-topic here. we only support debian, not derrivatives of debian |
| 12:17.02 | zmitya | why it is not good ? |
| 12:17.04 | zmitya | iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -i lo --dport 25 -j DNAT --to 127.0.0.1:2525 |
| 12:17.05 | jelly-home | en1gma: I've had good results with Kenshi Muto's sarge images, but haven't tried the etch ones. |
| 12:17.22 | sine | yes i know and back to what i said previously how can your system not be a pure debian IM FUCKIN RUNNING DEBIAN CHAPS |
| 12:17.24 | Jaggz- | zmitya do you want to setup mail to run on 2525 ? |
| 12:17.41 | sine | im not on ubuntu so save that line for the others |
| 12:17.46 | en1gma | ok |
| 12:17.47 | sine | i wish i hadnt said it now |
| 12:17.50 | en1gma | thanks for the info |
| 12:17.51 | stew | sine: lose the caps |
| 12:17.53 | wols_ | !tell zmitya about errors |
| 12:18.18 | Jaggz- | troubled, the thing is that the actual debmirror retrieval of the files is failing |
| 12:18.20 | sine | what i wanted to know was wols saying hes not on a pure debian and if he upgraded he would break or whatever |
| 12:18.35 | wols_ | sine: I never evre said that. pleast learn to read. iguannago said that |
| 12:18.41 | zmitya | Jaggz-: this is a hypothetical problem only |
| 12:18.48 | troubled | Jaggz-: oh. perhaps you are using the wrong syntax in the conf file |
| 12:19.09 | stew | sine: we were saying, he is not running debian, so he is off-topic here. if you want to know about mixing his distribution with debian, then ask in a channel about his distribution, we don't know |
| 12:19.16 | zmitya | Jaggz-: lets say yes, I would like to run postfix on 2525 |
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| 12:19.25 | Jaggz- | I really appreciate the help, troubled. |
| 12:19.29 | Jaggz- | that being said... what conf file? |
| 12:19.45 | Jaggz- | zmitya, then you want inbound connections to 25 to be redirected to 2525? |
| 12:19.51 | sine | your doing it on purpose lol i didnt actually laugh out loud tehn |
| 12:20.01 | sine | did* even |
| 12:20.02 | jelly-home | sine: he could have installed from a "based on debian" distro. |
| 12:20.15 | sine | oh ok yes i just scrolled up and yet again i was wrong |
| 12:20.16 | zmitya | Jaggz-: yes, but only the connections from localhost |
| 12:20.18 | troubled | Jaggz-: dpkg -L debmirror (its one of those ^^^) |
| 12:20.23 | sine | i need to just kill myself now |
| 12:20.29 | sine | i cant even get teh basics |
| 12:20.37 | EbilPhish | How often does the lenny kernel get updated? |
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| 12:20.51 | wols_ | EbilPhish: whenever "they" feel like it |
| 12:21.05 | stew | EbilPhish: there is no way to predict |
| 12:21.07 | Jaggz- | I set something up before so I could send email from different locations, but not expose their IPs, by using a pipe on the server -- my server connected to that port and it piped those connections to itself so the mail would come from our mail server, protecting our privacy |
| 12:21.16 | troubled | EbilPhish: typically > than 2 weeks though since it has to go trhough sid first |
| 12:21.32 | jelly-home | wols_: "they" being "them" or the other, upstream "them"? |
| 12:21.32 | Jaggz- | troubled, already looked at that.. there's no conf there.. just the bin and some docs.. lemme read the manpage (which is there :) |
| 12:22.01 | stew | EbilPhish: you can go to http://packages.qa.debian.org/linux-2.6 and see some of the history of new kernels migrating to testing |
| 12:22.01 | Jaggz- | hmm.. -i lo .. |
| 12:22.04 | troubled | Jaggz-: its been a while, it may not had a default. but you do need to specify all the settings. man page should help |
| 12:22.08 | iguannago | yes, my disto is based on debian. |
| 12:22.12 | EbilPhish | stew: ta |
| 12:22.25 | wols_ | jelly-home: both. our "them" can't do anything unles upstream "them" gives them the raw material :) |
| 12:22.25 | jelly-home | iguannago: what distro are you actually using? |
| 12:22.32 | zmitya | Jaggz-: forget about mails.. lets say I would like to reditect the localhost:33 to localhost:3333 |
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| 12:23.09 | wols_ | *software libc6 is |
| 12:23.17 | Jaggz- | zmitya have you tried your command? |
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| 12:23.33 | zmitya | Jaggz-: what do you think ? :) |
| 12:23.40 | jelly-home | wols_: now I have to click it to see if you're being ironical or not |
| 12:23.52 | Jaggz- | zmitya, no? :) |
| 12:23.53 | iguannago | gnu/linex2006 (www.linex.org) kernel lastes is 2.6.21.5, this kernel doesn't in debia it 's only in linex. |
| 12:23.59 | Jaggz- | did you try without -i ? |
| 12:24.03 | Jaggz- | just to get things going and try it out |
| 12:24.24 | Jaggz- | map an unused port to 80 or something active and see |
| 12:24.40 | Jaggz- | get something simple working then make it exact |
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| 12:24.55 | iguannago | but my distro is the 2.6.16-2 it matchs with sarge debian. |
| 12:25.20 | stew | iguannago: sarge didn't have a 2.6.16 kernel |
| 12:25.23 | sine | 2.6.18-5 is what i have |
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| 12:26.58 | jelly-home | wols_: well, it's not like libc6 is some infrastructure that would strive to keep backward compatibility or something! |
| 12:27.00 | iguannago | sarge is 2.4 or 2.6 and later until 2.6.18 (because this one is etch) |
| 12:27.42 | zmitya | Jaggz-: as I can see, packets originated from locally, does not go into the PREROUTING chain.. is it correct ? |
| 12:27.48 | stew | iguannago: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8, not later |
| 12:27.50 | zmitya | Jaggz-: maybe that is the probblem |
| 12:28.17 | Jaggz- | uhm, how do I find debian's current keys? |
| 12:28.39 | iguannago | stew: ok. |
| 12:28.51 | avu | Jaggz-: by reading the topic? ;( |
| 12:28.52 | Jaggz- | like when they say gpg --recv-keys 2DSUCHANDSUCH |
| 12:28.55 | troubled | Jaggz-: apt-key lst |
| 12:28.57 | troubled | list* |
| 12:28.58 | wols_ | iguannago: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1. what version? |
| 12:29.08 | stew | Jaggz-: they are in the debian-archive-keyring package |
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| 12:30.05 | wols_ | iguannago: kernel version is a bad indicator for debian version, e.g. newer intel mainboard didn't run with any sarge default kernel |
| 12:30.14 | Jaggz- | zmitya, I"m not sure |
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| 12:30.42 | Jaggz- | avu, thanks |
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| 12:31.09 | Jaggz- | ooh, old keys in apt-key list |
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| 12:32.00 | iguannago | wols_: ok, 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library:Sahred libraries and timezone is displayed |
| 12:32.15 | wols_ | that'S actually a sarge libc6 |
| 12:33.17 | iguannago | so, can we get a solution to my problem now? |
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| 12:33.22 | stew | iguannago: no |
| 12:33.29 | iguannago | stew: ok |
| 12:33.36 | stew | iguannago: not here, find a channel that supports linex |
| 12:33.45 | troubled | :) |
| 12:33.58 | Jaggz- | this is so damned difficult! why can't these dvd's just work? :) |
| 12:34.14 | Jaggz- | I burned it twice too, after my 1x burn of a dvd+rw failed |
| 12:34.14 | troubled | Jaggz-: whats wrong with your dvd's? |
| 12:34.27 | efaistos_ | is there a debian based distribution oriented to graphics software ? |
| 12:34.30 | Jaggz- | I don't know -- install errors out partway through saying it can't read a file on the disk |
| 12:34.31 | troubled | ah, crappy blank media? |
| 12:34.40 | Jaggz- | no, very high quality DVD did the same |
| 12:34.52 | troubled | Jaggz-: have you verified the iso image md5's yet? |
| 12:35.12 | Jaggz- | yeah, but I've not verified the dvd's md5 yet |
| 12:35.21 | troubled | Jaggz-: sounds like a plan :) |
| 12:36.02 | troubled | Jaggz-: if your tryin to burn em in linux, take a peek at the syslog for possible errors? |
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| 12:38.33 | tarzeau | does someone have this software and could process some data? http://www.fontlab.com/font-editor/bitfonter/ |
| 12:38.35 | Jaggz- | nah, used windows |
| 12:38.43 | Jaggz- | no dvd-burner on my linux system |
| 12:38.52 | Jaggz- | although this system can boot into linux.. I rarely do that though |
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| 12:39.40 | zmitya | Jaggz-: got it, so for locally generated packets, I do need to put redirect in the nat's OUTPUT chain |
| 12:39.47 | zmitya | Jaggz-: iptables -A OUTPUT -t nat -p tcp -d 127.0.0.1 --dport 25 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 2525 |
| 12:39.55 | zmitya | Jaggz-: thanks anyway |
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| 12:39.59 | Jaggz- | I wonder how to access the raw dvd device in cygwin.. hmm |
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| 12:40.38 | Jaggz- | ah, and use --to-ports .. interesting |
| 12:40.52 | Jaggz- | interesting that that's plural too |
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| 12:41.30 | Jaggz- | okay.. those are source ports? strange |
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| 12:42.21 | Jaggz- | troubled, okay, well my other system can read dvd's.. I'll verify it there |
| 12:43.34 | troubled | Jaggz-: if its a dvd you already burned, you should be able to boot it and verify it from the menus |
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| 12:46.45 | MattUK | how long do you think a net install of Debian would take? |
| 12:46.55 | MattUK | I usually download about 450kb a sec |
| 12:47.17 | Ronin | MattUK: depends on what you choose to install |
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| 12:47.21 | troubled | MattUK: would depend on how many of the ~8k packages you intend to download |
| 12:47.28 | MattUK | Yea I just realised that |
| 12:47.40 | MattUK | Basic gnome set-up |
| 12:47.53 | MattUK | minimal aps as Id sort that out later |
| 12:48.00 | Brian_R | That'd be what, probably 1.5, 2GB? |
| 12:48.06 | MattUK | Spose I'll find out later anyway :D |
| 12:48.18 | stew | Brian_R: no, more like 200mb |
| 12:48.23 | troubled | probably not much more than 15 or 20 minutes for download and full setup |
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| 12:49.21 | stew | MattUK: if you are doing a netinstall of debian and are only installing the base system, your internet speed should have practically nothing to do with it since you wouldn't be installing anything from the net |
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| 12:50.02 | Ronin | stew: he choose gnome to install though as well |
| 12:50.17 | stew | oh, i missed the gnome part |
| 12:50.30 | MattUK | Thanks guys I tihnk the answer is "not long" anyway! |
| 12:50.44 | troubled | basically :) |
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| 12:51.03 | binary010 | /var/log/qmail/qmail-smtpd/current: unable to open -u92 file: No such file or directory |
| 12:51.05 | troubled | of course your max dl speed and the speed you actually get from the mirror are completly diff |
| 12:51.08 | binary010 | anyone know what that means |
| 12:51.10 | fredl | how do I stop networkmanager fro overwriting my /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 12:51.11 | wols_ | gnome is about 230MB (full gnome) and then X which is another 50MB max I guess |
| 12:51.16 | wols_ | so 300MB should be fine |
| 12:51.40 | binary010 | for some reason i'm thinking cause of that my smtpd isn't working properly |
| 12:51.45 | wols_ | MattUK: and as you know the netinst is ~150MB |
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| 12:52.02 | MattUK | wols_ yes |
| 12:52.09 | wols_ | binary010: doubt you get much qmail help here. use qmail |
| 12:52.12 | jaggz1 | this sure is a pain in the ars |
| 12:52.17 | wols_ | use #qmail |
| 12:52.37 | jaggz1 | do any of you have "isosize"? |
| 12:52.41 | jaggz1 | do you know what package it's found in? |
| 12:52.44 | binary010 | wols_: that channel is dead as always |
| 12:52.48 | wols_ | !tell jaggz1 about search |
| 12:53.02 | binary010 | wols_: there's bunch of people on it just always idle |
| 12:53.21 | wols_ | binary010: debian has many pathological qmail haters and very few supporters. so I doubt you get an answer. how about using exim or psotfix? *g* |
| 12:53.31 | stew | binary010: since qmail isn't in debian, the cance that you'll get help here is minimal |
| 12:53.39 | jaggz1 | none of those are appropriate.. I'm on a very old system with an old ubuntu distribution |
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| 12:53.57 | wols_ | jaggz1: then you are not getting any help here. ask #ubuntu |
| 12:53.59 | jaggz1 | I see manpages for isosize, but no homepage or anything |
| 12:54.07 | jaggz1 | wols, I'm not asking a ubuntu question |
| 12:54.08 | binary010 | mhm why do you guys hate qmail ? |
| 12:54.15 | jelly-home | stew: qmail-src is in non-free, though |
| 12:54.20 | stew | jelly-home: yeah, but not in debian |
| 12:54.25 | stew | binary010: becuase it isnt' free |
| 12:54.34 | wols_ | jaggz1: you do. you are on ubuntu and ask about a package from them. if you asked a about a debian package, the factoid would have helped you |
| 12:54.38 | jelly-home | stew: just like glibc-doc ;-) |
| 12:54.39 | jaggz1 | I'm asking if anyone here in debian has isosize and if they could do a dpkg -S /path/isosize to inform me of its package |
| 12:54.53 | Rusty1 | Hello, having trouble with konqueror freezing when JS pages load http://rafb.net/p/VwJzXo44.html |
| 12:54.58 | jaggz1 | oh, I know.. packages.debian.org might work |
| 12:55.03 | stew | jelly-home: yeah, but with a much more insane license |
| 12:55.06 | wols_ | jaggz1: I told you where to look. why should we do work you can do for yourself? |
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| 12:56.11 | EbilPhish | jaggz1: 'util-linux' |
| 12:56.13 | jaggz1 | it's in util-linux |
| 12:56.18 | jaggz1 | thanks ebil :) |
| 12:56.32 | jaggz1 | wols, you can relax a bit if you want -- no need to be upset at me. |
| 12:57.03 | jaggz1 | I know it's IRC and all.. :) |
| 12:58.07 | jelly-home | binary010: qmail uses a number of technical solutions that break filesystem structure (I can live with that), generates backscatter spam (less fun), and is basically unmaintained by the author |
| 12:58.23 | jaggz1 | but thanks a lot, for the search tips etc. I didn't find it until I searched the debian site repositories.. were I on my other system I'd be in XP |
| 12:58.57 | themill | jelly-home: and the author is also part of the problem.... |
| 12:59.43 | jelly-home | themill: that's not a technical issue, just the cause of them |
| 12:59.51 | themill | :) |
| 13:00.51 | jaggz1 | dd if=/dev/hdc bs=2k count=$(($(isosize /dev/hdc)/2048)) | md5sum |
| 13:01.12 | jaggz1 | get an md5 checksum of a cd/dvd (at /dev/hdc) |
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| 13:01.38 | jaggz1 | rock on little dvd player.. rock on. |
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| 13:02.11 | Brian_R | Aaah, I see now |
| 13:02.17 | jaggz1 | dd's nifty for many purposes |
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| 13:02.26 | Brian_R | Since 'of' isn't specified, it defaults to stdout |
| 13:02.55 | en1gma | is there a command that can list devices (like lspci)....im looking for my cdrom attached by the sata cable |
| 13:03.12 | azeem | en1gma: ls /dev |
| 13:03.13 | Brian_R | I could make a perfectly good iso just with 'dd if=/dev/hdc of=/home/username/image.iso' couldn't I? |
| 13:03.19 | en1gma | k thnx |
| 13:03.25 | azeem | or maybe lshal |
| 13:03.26 | themill | fdisk -l |
| 13:03.31 | stew | Brian_R: yes, or just "cp /dev/hdc /home/username/image.iso" |
| 13:03.39 | wols_ | azeem: he has installing problems. does udev work at install time too? |
| 13:03.45 | stew | jaggz1: is that different than just "md5sum /dev/hdc"? |
| 13:03.57 | jelly-home | Brian_R: you'd get an error at the end |
| 13:04.09 | stew | jelly-home: what error? |
| 13:04.09 | azeem | dunno |
| 13:04.15 | themill | stew: didn't we have a lively discussion about that one a few weeks back? |
| 13:04.20 | jelly-home | stew: dd trying to read off the end |
| 13:04.22 | azeem | I thought 4.0 d-i was not using devfs anymore |
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| 13:04.53 | en1gma | fdisk -l would be great but fdisk isnt loaded yet (this is at the alt-f2 during a debian expert install |
| 13:04.54 | stew | jelly-home: it has worked for me in the past. why wouldn't /dev/hdc give and EOF like any other ? |
| 13:05.15 | jaggz1 | brian, yeah.. read pages on making images though |
| 13:05.26 | jelly-home | stew: no idea, but I always got an error dding CDs. |
| 13:05.28 | themill | check the install guide for the "recommended" way of checking an iso: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s03.html.en#unreliable-cd |
| 13:05.40 | azeem | en1gma: why do you do an expert install? |
| 13:05.54 | jaggz1 | supposedly /dev/hdc might contain other data (like lead-out data or something), but I'm not sure.. but it would seem true since these people seem to want to use this isosize binary |
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| 13:06.51 | jaggz1 | themill, excellent link, thank you |
| 13:07.10 | en1gma | azeem cause i have 4 ide drives filling up all the ide ports/connectors and i have an ide-dvd-rom using an abit serillel2 ide to sata converter |
| 13:07.13 | themill | jaggz1: np. The install guide and release notes have all sorts of useful things in them ;) |
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| 13:07.31 | jaggz1 | now why do we use dd instead of just head /dev/hdc -c etc... ? |
| 13:07.37 | azeem | en1gma: that doesn't answer the question |
| 13:07.37 | en1gma | debian is loading the modules it looks like but it just dont know where the debian install media needs to be mounted so it can install |
| 13:07.55 | jaggz1 | themill, I saw this document the other day when I was still working on this problem -- but forgot which document the command was in |
| 13:07.57 | azeem | you mean it doesn't know which device to mount? |
| 13:08.04 | en1gma | azeem correct |
| 13:08.32 | en1gma | but the dvd-rom is working cause i can actually select expert and make it through language settins |
| 13:08.37 | azeem | en1gma: why don't you unplug all those other harddisks while installing? |
| 13:08.58 | en1gma | because i know this works im just not giving it a good mount point |
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| 13:09.36 | en1gma | well debian isnt finding the mount point like it should so i have to do a little extra work...but once i figure out how to do it i will write it down so the next time it will be easier |
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| 13:09.53 | themill | en1gma: the path of least resistance is often the best solution... |
| 13:10.15 | en1gma | i used all 4 of those hard drives during a debian install |
| 13:10.40 | azeem | en1gma: maybe you should step back and seriously reconsider your harddisk setup |
| 13:10.51 | en1gma | hda = /, hdb = /usr, hdc = /home and hdd = swap |
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| 13:11.11 | azeem | how big is hda? |
| 13:11.13 | jaggz1 | en1gma, if you just booted, try dmesg | less |
| 13:11.16 | en1gma | my hard drives are little hard drives i need it like that |
| 13:11.16 | jaggz1 | see if you can spot it |
| 13:11.29 | azeem | en1gma: how about you buy one big one and be happy? |
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| 13:11.39 | en1gma | i have a 540 megger, 2, 3 and 4 gigers |
| 13:11.59 | en1gma | how about debian needs to work correct so more people besides me dont have this problem |
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| 13:12.10 | jaggz1 | I thought there was something in /proc which would show these things though |
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| 13:12.16 | en1gma | trying dmesg | less (1 sec) |
| 13:12.18 | azeem | it's really unclear what "this problem" is in the first place |
| 13:12.50 | jaggz1 | heh, 540 megger.. it looks like he stole one of our servers from the early 90's |
| 13:12.52 | wfq | Hi |
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| 13:13.03 | en1gma | :) |
| 13:13.16 | jaggz1 | I think we had a novell server that had roughly that setup :) one drive less |
| 13:13.36 | wfq | How does LVS manage to write in all the real servers the same information. I mean, if a user upload an image this should be uploaded on every server |
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| 13:13.48 | en1gma | 540 megger came out of an old xt box maybe? its a box that lays on desk sideways and the proc was a 50mhz |
| 13:13.52 | wfq | I don't see anywhere how LVS does that |
| 13:14.06 | en1gma | 'dmesg' works but when i add ' |
| 13:14.10 | en1gma | less it breaks it |
| 13:14.14 | jaggz1 | dmsg |
| 13:14.24 | wfq | I think this is a sincronization's task rather than LVS's task |
| 13:14.31 | azeem | en1gma: you add "'"? |
| 13:14.44 | en1gma | i meant "dmesg | less" |
| 13:14.49 | jaggz1 | no e |
| 13:14.53 | en1gma | ohhh |
| 13:14.53 | azeem | jaggz1: e |
| 13:14.54 | jaggz1 | mr E nigma |
| 13:14.57 | k31th | is it possible to get the default KDE icons from some where? |
| 13:15.10 | k31th | It is legal to use them on my website? |
| 13:15.11 | en1gma | yep less not found still |
| 13:15.19 | azeem | en1gma: because you're in the installer |
| 13:15.23 | azeem | en1gma: try more instead |
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| 13:15.48 | en1gma | more works |
| 13:16.00 | jaggz1 | too bad because less is more |
| 13:16.21 | jaggz1 | someone should use that in a document. |
| 13:16.22 | themill | k31th: apt-cache search ico | grep kde and yes, you can use them in accordance with the GPL, iirc. |
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| 13:16.56 | en1gma | :) |
| 13:17.14 | jaggz1 | my wife's playing backgammon with other humans online! |
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| 13:17.50 | jaggz1 | so difficult to let them associate with other people.. *sigh* |
| 13:18.46 | en1gma | is ata1 supposed to be in /dev |
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| 13:19.43 | jaggz1 | if they weren't out and about and all trampy with their clothing already you should bet yourself that you could understand the burkas |
| 13:21.46 | jaggz1 | stat --format=%s debian-40r1-i386-DVD-1.iso happens to return the same size as isosize /dev/hdc |
| 13:22.08 | chal | trying to but a debian live cd on a usb stick, here is the line i am unsure about lh_config -b usb-hdd -p gnome-desktop -m http://127.0.0.1:3142/ftp.debian.org/debian/ where -p is the is the desktop choice of the image and -m is the local apt-cacher mirror to speed up rebuilding images. if the image is on the desktop why does it need to be rebuilt useing -m? |
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| 13:22.37 | en1gma | when i do 'dmesg | more' i see the dvd-rom device...there are refrences called "ata1" and "ata1.00" |
| 13:22.39 | jaggz1 | consequently, my dvd fails! dd: reading `/dev/hdc': Input/output error (md5 returned is 14f6af19add7a8e2c3931eda4f093443, which doesn't match) |
| 13:22.43 | stew | chal: try #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
| 13:22.45 | themill | jaggz1: yes, but stat is in coreutils so it's installed ;) |
| 13:22.57 | chal | stew: thanks |
| 13:23.13 | en1gma | i tried to 'mount /dev/ata1 /test' but it dont see ata1 |
| 13:23.15 | jaggz1 | themill, yeah, using the size of the original iso is actually a really darned good idea |
| 13:23.20 | jaggz1 | as long as there's no lead-in data etc. |
| 13:23.35 | jaggz1 | but my drive fails anyway.. so.. uhm.. |
| 13:23.42 | jaggz1 | I guess I get to re-burn it |
| 13:24.19 | jaggz1 | this is a rw dvd... I burned it twice, the 2nd time with a high quality dvd and Nero froze up at 85% for some reason. |
| 13:24.55 | jaggz1 | I don't want to use a rw again because it burns at 1x speed |
| 13:25.05 | jaggz1 | sigh.. afk.. going to other computer to try another good dvd |
| 13:25.49 | azeem | en1gma: what about /dev/sd* ? |
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| 13:26.55 | en1gma | 1 sec ill give it a try |
| 13:27.19 | mne | hi, is there some way to get rid of a defunct daemon ? I have both imapd and pop3d in a defunct process state which is the reason why I can't bind to the pop3 and imap tcp ports. |
| 13:27.19 | azeem | no need to say that all the time, just report the outcome |
| 13:27.47 | Jaggz- | themill, we could use find -printf too I think |
| 13:27.53 | en1gma | ok....no /dev/sd directory yet |
| 13:28.03 | Jaggz- | find debian1.iso -printf '%s\n' # This works to get the size too |
| 13:28.05 | azeem | en1gma: who said anything about directories? |
| 13:28.19 | azeem | en1gma: is there a /dev/hda ? |
| 13:28.26 | en1gma | well there is nothing in /dev that has the letters sd |
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| 13:28.28 | en1gma | checking |
| 13:28.37 | azeem | 15:25 < azeem> no need to say that all the time, just report the outcome |
| 13:28.45 | Jaggz- | mne, they're waiting for the parent process.. perhaps try restarting xinetd or something |
| 13:28.54 | en1gma | yea there is an /dev/hda |
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| 13:29.19 | Jaggz- | they're actually dead, but the parent has to clean up their remains |
| 13:29.22 | en1gma | there is hda, hdb, hdc and hdd but i think those are for the 4 ide hard drives |
| 13:29.25 | mne | Jaggz-, they are directly started, without inetd or something. |
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| 13:29.34 | azeem | en1gma: what about /dev/disk? |
| 13:29.49 | Jaggz- | you have a pop server waiting as a daemon? |
| 13:29.53 | Jaggz- | are you sure? |
| 13:30.03 | Jaggz- | ps auxwf | less |
| 13:30.04 | en1gma | yep there is a /dev/disk |
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| 13:30.32 | en1gma | in that it says "by-id by-path by-uuid" |
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| 13:30.50 | mne | Jaggz-, yep. --> "\_ [imapd] <defunct>" and "\_ [pop3d] <defunct>" |
| 13:30.58 | Jaggz- | where |
| 13:31.03 | V4mp | hey guys any idea why debian cant mount my cdrom drive so it can install it ? |
| 13:31.09 | azeem | en1gma: try by-path |
| 13:31.11 | Jaggz- | where's the \_ go to? |
| 13:31.16 | Jaggz- | those are children |
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| 13:31.27 | mne | Jaggz-, ah, wait a minute, i got it. they had another parent process. |
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| 13:31.53 | mne | Jaggz-, i killed cyrmaster and now they are gone :) thx |
| 13:32.13 | wols_ | V4mp: you need to give us quite a bit more info than that |
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| 13:32.21 | Jaggz- | just killed it? and now you're thanking me? heh |
| 13:32.26 | V4mp | like what ? |
| 13:32.31 | Jaggz- | glad you got rid of your dead children :) |
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| 13:32.37 | mne | Jaggz-, yep, i didn't look for a parent process :) |
| 13:32.47 | mne | Jaggz-, hehe |
| 13:32.47 | Jaggz- | I wonder what cyrmaster is |
| 13:32.56 | Jaggz- | anyway.. gonna burn this dvd |
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| 13:33.04 | wols_ | Jaggz-: cyrus main starter program |
| 13:33.07 | Jaggz- | try not to chat so much that you mess up my read/write buffers |
| 13:33.18 | mne | Jaggz-, cyrus service for pop3 and imap. it sucks, i'm just merging to dovecot. i love it |
| 13:33.19 | V4mp | wols_: what sort of info do you need ? |
| 13:33.28 | Jaggz- | thanks wols |
| 13:33.41 | wols_ | V4mp: what you#re trying to exactly do for starters |
| 13:33.46 | wols_ | !tell V4mp about smart questions |
| 13:34.30 | en1gma | azeem it looks like that might show the ide controllers..."-ide-0:0 -ide-0:0-part1 -ide-0:1 -ide-0:1-part1 -ide-1:0 -ide-1:0-part1 -ide-1:1 -ide-1:1-part1 |
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| 13:34.47 | Jaggz- | en1gma, what happened to dmsg? |
| 13:34.58 | ExxKA | Hey guys.. for my normal users on my box, .profile isn't loaded.. why is that? |
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| 13:35.09 | en1gma | 'dmsg' = command not found |
| 13:35.14 | Jaggz- | it's Ramazan.. shouldn't I be fasting? |
| 13:35.15 | V4mp | wols_: well im trying to isntall debian its booted up fine and done the language section etc now at the debian installer main menu and cant do anything else because it cant detect and mount m cdrom even tho it just booted from it |
| 13:35.15 | en1gma | 'dmesg' works though |
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| 13:35.28 | ethang | hey folks! |
| 13:35.31 | Jaggz- | oh.. ugh.. my apologies, en1gma |
| 13:35.40 | dcorbin_ | I'm having an apache2 + php5 problem. I have phpbb3rc5 installed, and if I'm using php5, I get nothing but a blank page. It works great with php4. #php says it should work fine with php5 |
| 13:35.42 | en1gma | :) |
| 13:35.44 | azeem | en1gma: looks like your SATA drives aren't getting detected then |
| 13:35.48 | dcorbin_ | *#phpbb |
| 13:35.58 | Shifty | V4mp: use networkinstallation cd, maybe that works |
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| 13:36.24 | en1gma | azeem it should be an sd* like you stated above shouldnt it? |
| 13:36.31 | V4mp | Shifty: i tryed that first and had the same problem |
| 13:36.57 | azeem | I think so |
| 13:37.13 | Jaggz- | okay, afk |
| 13:37.14 | azeem | en1gma: make sure the correct kernel modules are loaded |
| 13:37.23 | themill | dcorbin_: have you verified that php5 is working? Do you have a phpinfo() test page? |
| 13:37.25 | Shifty | curious |
| 13:37.35 | dcorbin_ | I do, and it works fine. |
| 13:37.44 | dcorbin_ | themill: I do, and it works fine. |
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| 13:38.19 | claudio` | (or other :D) |
| 13:38.21 | themill | dcorbin_: is there anything in the apache error.log from php? |
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| 13:38.46 | dcorbin_ | themill: nope. |
| 13:38.53 | dcorbin_ | (it's really strange) |
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| 13:39.54 | themill | dcorbin_: can you set the error logging to the highest level in either php.ini, .htaccess or the phpbb config? (Then look again in the logs) |
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| 13:40.18 | themill | dcorbin_: a blank page normally means a fatal php error... we just need to work out which one ;) |
| 13:40.30 | dcorbin_ | themill: I can and will. |
| 13:41.03 | themill | dcorbin_: many php apps override the error reporting value within their config; I'm not sure what phpbb will do though. |
| 13:41.04 | en1gma | you know kind of what gets me is when i set the "sata raid rom" to disable it dont even see any kind of boot cd or even the drive...but when its enabled it actually finds debian installer and starts an installation...but that part bios setting if for "raid" not a ide-cdrom |
| 13:41.22 | en1gma | there has to be something making it boot |
| 13:41.46 | en1gma | im talking about in the bios |
| 13:41.53 | V4mp | so guys any ideas of how to solve my problem of not being able to mount my cd to install it ? |
| 13:41.59 | dcorbin_ | themill: php.ini currently says E_ALL &~E_NOTICE |
| 13:42.29 | dcorbin_ | themill: should I drop the & ~E_NOTICE |
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| 13:42.47 | dcorbin_ | or dig through the phpbb stuff. |
| 13:43.02 | jaggz1 | v4mp, after you boot, goto a term and run mount to see the existing mounted cd |
| 13:43.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know how to download videos from YouTube? FLVget doesn't seem to work, and videodownloader.net spews out some interesting errors... :/ |
| 13:43.09 | themill | dcorbin_: a fatal error shouldn't be a notice but it would help :) More likely that phpbb is overriding the error reporting. |
| 13:43.28 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:43.39 | jaggz1 | n/m.. i've not made it through the first install dvd myself yet so I don't know what to do there. |
| 13:43.45 | faber4 | hi everybody |
| 13:43.53 | en1gma | im gonna try the debian floppy install (turn the "sata raid rom") to disabled in bios. and try and use the floppies to get that drive just seen and then mount it that way maybe |
| 13:43.56 | en1gma | brb |
| 13:43.57 | faber4 | whats the easiest way to install debian in an offline environment? |
| 13:43.58 | jaggz1 | but I did unmount a cd/dvd and remount it using the device it showed there |
| 13:44.27 | tristian | hey all - is there any word on when gnome 2.2 will make it to debian testing? |
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| 13:44.36 | wols_ | faber4: get CD1 and install it |
| 13:44.38 | azeem | tristian: testing is at gnome 2.18 |
| 13:44.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: thanks :D |
| 13:44.44 | azeem | 2.2 is like 5 years old |
| 13:44.44 | jaggz1 | faber, there is no easy way, believe me. or maybe you can get a good working dvd iso set |
| 13:44.53 | faber4 | wols_: is there a list whats on cd1? |
| 13:44.55 | V4mp | jaggz1:what would cd show as ? |
| 13:44.59 | jaggz1 | we'll see if this one burns right |
| 13:44.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: flvget seems to cover every video site under the sun - except for YouTube |
| 13:45.02 | wols_ | !cd contents |
| 13:45.02 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 13:45.03 | tristian | durr... 2.20... :-) |
| 13:45.19 | jaggz1 | v4mp, it ends up being obvious |
| 13:45.21 | azeem | tristian: 2.20 is being uploaded to unstable currently; it is unclear when it will hit testing |
| 13:45.27 | V4mp | ahh ok |
| 13:45.29 | jaggz1 | stands out |
| 13:45.43 | tristian | azeem, ta! |
| 13:45.56 | wols_ | faber4: for what? |
| 13:45.59 | V4mp | cant mount it manually |
| 13:46.11 | fredl | when I do apt-get anything, I get a whole SLEW of packages that can be removed with autoremove.... |
| 13:46.24 | wols_ | !tell fredl about bat |
| 13:46.26 | fredl | problem is though, things like gdm are also in the list that can be autoremoved |
| 13:46.44 | faber4 | wols_: for the offline environment. its not really offline, it just does not have access to the net |
| 13:46.45 | themill | fredl: under sid? |
| 13:46.49 | fredl | yes |
| 13:46.54 | dcorbin_ | themill: It looks like it sets it to the same, but they also seem to have some "trigger_error" stuff that might "getting in the way". I'll add some "debug statements" to the code in places and try to narrow it down. |
| 13:46.56 | dcorbin_ | Thanks. |
| 13:47.05 | themill | !tell fredl about aptitude-du |
| 13:47.08 | themill | !tell fredl about aptitude-fu |
| 13:47.12 | themill | !stupid bot |
| 13:47.12 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 13:47.33 | jaggz1 | don't try debmirror either unless you don't mind not having my help :) |
| 13:47.34 | faber4 | can i do a jigdo file from a currently installed debian and have jigdo make my personal offline iso for me?` |
| 13:47.39 | themill | dcorbin_: sounds like a useful lead for you ;) good luck! |
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| 13:47.57 | wols_ | !tell faber4 about apt-zip |
| 13:48.02 | jaggz1 | jigdo wronged me this time 'round |
| 13:48.09 | wols_ | !tell faber4 about custom cd |
| 13:48.13 | jaggz1 | downloading the entire .isos was better |
| 13:48.29 | V4mp | is there an easy way for me to remotely install debian ? |
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| 13:48.42 | themill | V4mp: define remotely? |
| 13:48.45 | wols_ | V4mp: yes. read the release notes and install manual |
| 13:48.49 | jaggz1 | I've not been having a happy time with my debian installation this past week |
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| 13:49.20 | fredl | themill - which status is for recommended packages that arent there? |
| 13:49.32 | V4mp | themill: like access it via this sytem and make it install the system from somewhere... |
| 13:49.45 | V4mp | like on a diff system to itself |
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| 13:50.07 | themill | V4mp: if you can ssh onto the box then you could use debootstrap |
| 13:50.53 | jaggz1 | you could install it on the local system, then put both systems under large walnut shells, then you just shake them back and forth and voila! |
| 13:52.05 | ethang | ok so I'm having a problem with my xserver |
| 13:52.15 | fredl | themill - I read that aptitude-fu page but I'm not sure what it means. |
| 13:52.18 | ethang | and #xorg is not helpful |
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| 13:52.44 | ethang | when I run X -config /root/xorg.conf.new I get a nice big display |
| 13:53.00 | ethang | but when I copy that fileto xorg.conf I only get a 640x480 display |
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| 13:53.14 | stew | ethang: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:53.20 | themill | fredl: sorry... thought that was in the list... look at the unmarkauto option of aptitude or the &m marker |
| 13:53.31 | ethang | stew: I tried that |
| 13:53.38 | stew | ethang: and what happens? |
| 13:53.42 | V4mp | themill: cant ssh into it as debian cant get the network drivers off the cd |
| 13:53.46 | ethang | it doesn't work - it's worse than before |
| 13:53.54 | ethang | i get a garbled display |
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| 13:54.22 | jaggz1 | you're not laughing at my last line |
| 13:54.25 | stew | ethang: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ; then start x, then put /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/xorg.conf into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 13:54.37 | jaggz1 | no wonder my installs aren't working.. there's trouble with debian sense of humor |
| 13:54.42 | jaggz1 | that's a bad sign |
| 13:54.55 | jaggz1 | switch to ubuntu fast |
| 13:55.02 | fredl | themill - well I can go unmarkauto packages at will, but how did this situation occur? |
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| 13:56.10 | themill | fredl: apt-get now tracks dependencies between packages and auto-installed packages in the same way aptitude has done. There *should* be something about that in the NEWS files... |
| 13:56.20 | abrotman | not in etch |
| 13:56.38 | themill | we're talking sid |
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| 13:56.55 | abrotman | leave me out of it! |
| 13:57.01 | fredl | anyway, enough of that for now. In my resolv.conf I find # generated by NetworkManager, do not edit! |
| 13:57.04 | jaggz1 | heya brotman :) |
| 13:57.19 | fredl | how do I make networkmanager keep it's filthy hands out of my resolv.conf? |
| 13:57.53 | abrotman | fredl: you could use chattr |
| 13:57.55 | jaggz1 | put "domain soap" in the resolv.conf |
| 13:58.09 | themill | fredl: uninstall nm.... |
| 13:58.19 | jaggz1 | or.. search.. or whatever it is |
| 13:58.57 | ethang | stew: working |
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| 13:59.03 | fredl | yeah I tried that, that was the first gut reaction, trash that POS. However, for some obscure reason when I remove network-manager, GNOME complaints about starting up the audiomixer |
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| 13:59.17 | ethang | hmm that did things it didn't do last time |
| 13:59.28 | ethang | maybe i didn't do that |
| 13:59.47 | stew | fredl: network-magager doens't touch resolv.conf. dhclient does. you can tell it not to touch resolv.conf in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 14:00.02 | themill | fredl: I hated nm until I actually started using it.... |
| 14:00.12 | en1gma | dont debian have "alternate" cd install....i cant seem to find it |
| 14:00.31 | azeem | en1gma: what would that be? |
| 14:00.33 | stew | ethang: go to debian.org, click on 'getting debian' |
| 14:00.33 | ethang | stew: startx fails with no screens found |
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| 14:00.36 | themill | stew: why would dhclient be putting "# generated by NetworkManager, do not edit!" in the file? That's crazy. |
| 14:00.37 | jaggz1 | I've gotta go.. too much irc |
| 14:00.42 | jaggz1 | nothing personal, you guys are great. |
| 14:00.44 | fredl | stew - oh... so dhclient puts # generated by NetworkManager in it? ;) |
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| 14:00.48 | stew | ethang: err, not you |
| 14:01.00 | jaggz1 | it is ramazan though, and I'm not handling my fasting very well |
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| 14:01.08 | stew | en1gma: go to debian.org, click on "getting debian" |
| 14:01.18 | jaggz1 | and I haven't really slept much since yesterday.. and I just ate an apple |
| 14:01.31 | stew | en1gma: show me your xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:01.38 | en1gma | haha |
| 14:01.43 | ethang | it failed on the framebuffer device - perhaps i should re-run and disable it... |
| 14:01.44 | en1gma | i dont even have an xorg |
| 14:01.55 | jaggz1 | good luck all of you |
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| 14:01.57 | fredl | themill - I think nm is real nice on client systems, no argument there. |
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| 14:02.15 | fredl | themill - unfortunately I have decided to have a GUI on my server this time around :) |
| 14:02.25 | V4mp | so guys not much help for me on my problem then ? :/ |
| 14:02.41 | stew | fredl: oh this is a server?!? then you don't want to be using network manager, remove it, and 'man interfaces' |
| 14:03.29 | stew | V4mp: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:03.34 | themill | fredl: you're running a gui on your server *and* it's sid??? |
| 14:03.43 | ethang | stew: you are a computer GOD |
| 14:03.46 | ethang | I am indebted |
| 14:04.27 | fredl | themill - yup. I was forced to go to sid basically or I couldn't get the nvidia driver to work properly |
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| 14:04.31 | V4mp | stew: install debian but it cant mount the cdrom so it can run the install |
| 14:04.46 | stew | V4mp: how is the cdrom connected? ide? sata? scsi? |
| 14:04.46 | ethang | fredl: I had similar problems but i got it to work somehow |
| 14:04.56 | V4mp | ide |
| 14:05.00 | stew | fredl: why do you need the nvidia driver on a server? |
| 14:05.04 | fredl | I started out wanting to use lenny but that didn't work even though some people tried to help me real well here yesterday |
| 14:05.26 | fredl | stew - because it's my media server and also hooked up to my 42" LCD |
| 14:05.33 | themill | fredl: ummm.... this is a question of priorities.... server == stable; server != graphics; server != sid ==> server == couldn't give a shit about nvidia drivers.... |
| 14:05.33 | abrotman | GUI server sid ? |
| 14:06.10 | stew | fredl: and you need 3d accelleration? |
| 14:06.23 | fredl | stew - well why ofcourse! |
| 14:06.47 | V4mp | stew: its connected via ide and it must work as i booted the disk in there :/ |
| 14:06.50 | fredl | how else would I demonstrate google earth on my 42" screen huh? |
| 14:07.09 | stew | V4mp: which installer are you using? |
| 14:07.12 | ethang | fredl raises a good point |
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| 14:07.23 | V4mp | cd 1 out of the 21 |
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| 14:08.02 | stew | V4mp: which ide controller? is it some relatively new intel controller? or something else? |
| 14:08.33 | V4mp | old 533mhz system |
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| 14:08.49 | stew | V4mp: is ide-cd loaded? |
| 14:09.04 | V4mp | i dont know ? |
| 14:09.07 | V4mp | how would i chec |
| 14:09.08 | V4mp | k |
| 14:09.24 | wols_ | V4mp: lsmod |
| 14:09.26 | stew | V4mp: hit alt-f2 to get to a console, then run "lsmod | grep ide.cd" |
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| 14:10.17 | V4mp | not found |
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| 14:10.56 | stew | V4mp: modprobe ide-cd |
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| 14:11.20 | V4mp | come up with nothin |
| 14:11.25 | fredl_ | fubar access point. |
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| 14:11.42 | fredl_ | dont ever buy anything US Robotics AP |
| 14:11.48 | stew | V4mp: if 'modprobe ide-cd' didn't return anything, that is good. now try to detect the cd again |
| 14:11.57 | fredl_ | what an unbelievable POS that is. |
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| 14:12.32 | V4mp | stew: found it now |
| 14:12.46 | V4mp | should the install work now ? |
| 14:12.52 | GmLB | Is there any way to have a user automatically change directory after logging in via an sftp/scp client (like winscp) to a debian box? Basically I want it to cd after it logs in to a directory other than the user's home? |
| 14:12.56 | stew | V4mp: yes |
| 14:13.53 | V4mp | stew still cant be mounted :/ |
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| 14:14.25 | Ramattack | Hi mates! |
| 14:14.38 | stew | V4mp: hit alt-f3 to see the log, and see what error you are getting |
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| 14:15.14 | V4mp | i cant get out of the console now |
| 14:15.20 | V4mp | oh |
| 14:15.22 | V4mp | there |
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| 14:15.42 | themill | GmLB: that would be a client dependent setting, unless you want to do something funky like user chroots in which case look at pam. |
| 14:15.45 | Ramattack | does anyone know who rsync behaves with opened files? |
| 14:16.09 | V4mp | ide: failed opcode was |
| 14:16.13 | V4mp | ; unknown |
| 14:16.29 | GmLB | themil: Scp clients don't process .profiles or anything? |
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| 14:16.54 | BuiTraCo | hola? |
| 14:17.12 | themill | !es |
| 14:17.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:17.27 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 14:17.44 | Haris | When does version 3.1 support go out? |
| 14:17.45 | V4mp | stew: CD-ROM mount failed: device=/dev/ide/host0/bus1/target1/lun0/cd |
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| 14:18.10 | themill | GmLB: no, i don't believe so. If you were using fish it probably would though. |
| 14:18.39 | Haris | Guys! |
| 14:18.40 | Haris | When does version 3.1 support go out? |
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| 14:19.24 | themill | !tell Haris about patience |
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| 14:19.57 | Haris | Actually, I have to run for prayers. I have a client I have to tell which OS to install, to upgrade their box. I don't have much time. |
| 14:20.18 | benjamindees | Haris, if 3.1 is stable, it will be supported until a new stable is released |
| 14:20.35 | Haris | when is 4.x stable due? |
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| 14:20.48 | themill | Haris: 4.0 is currently stable. |
| 14:20.55 | benjamindees | Haris, it was released in april |
| 14:21.08 | benjamindees | !tell Haris about etch |
| 14:21.27 | Haris | 4.0rc1 is out |
| 14:21.29 | Haris | I know |
| 14:21.36 | themill | r1 not rc1 |
| 14:21.41 | themill | there's a big difference |
| 14:21.49 | stiv2k | hey... the LED's underneath the volume buttons on my laptop all of a sudden aren't on anymore.... but the volume buttons still work just no LED is that normal? What could cause that??? |
| 14:21.57 | benjamindees | !tell Haris about backports |
| 14:22.26 | benjamindees | Haris, you can get some backported packages for oldstable from backports.org, with security updates and such |
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| 14:22.45 | Haris | I must run, |
| 14:22.50 | themill | Haris: For a fresh install, I'd suggest etch (4.0r1) |
| 14:22.50 | Haris | I'll catch up in 2+ hrs |
| 14:22.52 | Haris | bbl guys |
| 14:23.11 | Haris | themill: Its not in list of supported OS for plesk by 1and1 hosting company :( |
| 14:23.19 | Haris | No way to persuage my client |
| 14:23.25 | Groundy | hey, all - I got my debian uml upgraded from 2.4.26-1um to 2.6.16.16, and now it's doing silly things like segfaulting all over the place, any ideas? I'm just busy installing udev which I'm hoping will go a long way to helping |
| 14:23.34 | Haris | persuade+ |
| 14:23.47 | stew | Groundy: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:24.23 | Groundy | stew: stable is preferred, |
| 14:24.35 | Groundy | stew: but I couldn't upgrade libc until I upgraded the kernel |
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| 14:24.40 | Ramattack | one moment please |
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| 14:25.33 | abrotman | Haris: it's not 4.0rc1 .. just 4.0r1 |
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| 14:25.51 | wols_ | Groundy: you didn't answe. he didn't ask what's prefered but what you actually currently run |
| 14:25.58 | V4mp | stew so u got anymore ideas ? |
| 14:26.20 | benjamindees | Groundy, why did you upgrade libc? |
| 14:26.27 | Groundy | wols_: currently /etc/issue is showing lenny/sid |
| 14:26.30 | stew | Groundy: you shoud not have had a problem uprading libc to stable without upgrading your kernel. what version of libc6 is installed now? |
| 14:26.34 | Groundy | benjamindees: I haven't yet |
| 14:26.41 | stew | V4mp: no, sorry. you might try #debain-boot on irc.debian.org |
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| 14:27.06 | stew | Groundy: it sounds like you are trying to upgrade from sarge to lenny, skipping etch, which would not be a suported upgrade path |
| 14:27.07 | Groundy | libc6 is currently 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2, I couldn't upgrade any further because the new versions required 2.6 kernel |
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| 14:27.26 | stew | Groundy: what are you trying to upgrade to? |
| 14:27.34 | Groundy | stew: latest stable at the moment |
| 14:27.40 | stew | !info libc6 stable |
| 14:27.53 | Groundy | (so etch, yea) |
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| 14:28.38 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 4588 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
| 14:28.44 | stew | Groundy: so you already have the latest stable. why are you trying to upgrade to? |
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| 14:29.15 | Groundy | stew: trying to figure out why aptitude is segfaulting :-) and apache2, |
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| 14:30.01 | Groundy | the segfaults are only occuring since the kernel upgrade, |
| 14:30.09 | themill | \\\\ |
| 14:30.12 | themill | bah |
| 14:30.44 | Alaric` | Morning all. Can anyone tell me how to solve an installer problem in which installing the base system fails with the error "Debootstrap error: Failed to determine the codename for the release"? |
| 14:31.10 | Alaric` | This is 4.0r1 i386 installing on a Thinkpad i1300 via a bit of an unconventional method. |
| 14:31.10 | themill | Groundy: what kernel and from where (uname -r)? Can you please pastebin your source.list |
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| 14:31.41 | Groundy | themill: kernel is uml from my hosting provider, it's 2.6.16.16 |
| 14:31.54 | stew | Groundy: is there a reason you aren't using a debian kernel? |
| 14:32.07 | Groundy | stew: err, it's not a physical machine, |
| 14:32.37 | Groundy | stew: and so I don't have full control over what my hosting provider uses for the kernel |
| 14:32.54 | Alaric` | 4.0r1 fails to detect the i1300's CD once booted because the kernel on the installer disk is built without the ALi IDE chipset patch, so what I'm forced to do is duplicate the CD to a USB stick, boot from the CD, then manually mount the USB stick and tell the installer it's the CD. |
| 14:33.05 | benjamindees | Groundy, if you have libc from stable and stable is what you're trying to upgrade to, then you must have upgraded it. Did you upgrade aptitude/anything else as well? |
| 14:33.11 | stew | Groundy: then you don't know if the segfaults are really caused by anything in the virtual machine, right? |
| 14:33.25 | Groundy | well, it was all working 100% under 2.4, |
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| 14:33.39 | stew | Groundy: 2.4 on the virtual machine or the host? |
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| 14:33.51 | Groundy | stew: err, 2.4 vm-uml |
| 14:33.59 | Groundy | stew: I have no idea what the host is running, |
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| 14:34.32 | Alaric` | Speculation: Could the "Failed to determine release codename" error be because the USB stick doesn't have a CD volume label? |
| 14:34.32 | Groundy | sources.list @ http://paste.debian.net/37876 |
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| 14:35.12 | stew | Groundy: why do you have testing and unstable in there? |
| 14:35.22 | kryl | hi what's the best soft for show photo gallery please? |
| 14:35.24 | Groundy | preferences @ http://paste.debian.net/37877 |
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| 14:35.34 | Ronin | kryl: gallery |
| 14:35.34 | stew | Groundy: http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing is obsolete |
| 14:35.43 | kryl | with php on a website |
| 14:35.44 | kryl | sorry |
| 14:35.45 | kryl | :) |
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| 14:35.59 | themill | kryl: I use digikam or kuikshow ...ahhh... website... gallery2 |
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| 14:36.10 | Groundy | stew: well, I actually want to run testing, but with the 2.4/2.6 wait I have to fall back to stable for the time being |
| 14:36.11 | stew | Groundy: oh, so you are actually trying to run unstable? |
| 14:36.27 | themill | kryl: or a big pile of perl scripts that are sprinkled with some javascript that I brewed up myself over the years... |
| 14:36.32 | stew | Groundy: why do you want to run testing? a few minutes ago you said you want to run stable |
| 14:36.36 | Groundy | stew: I want to run testing, and pull in individual packages from unstable if reallly required |
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| 14:36.46 | Groundy | stew: 1. get stable working, 2. upgrade to testing |
| 14:37.05 | kryl | themill, so u said gallery2 ? |
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| 14:37.13 | garo | /win/wc |
| 14:37.15 | garo | sorry |
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| 14:37.47 | themill | kryl: yeah, I stuck it on my wife's website as an easy solution: http://gallery.menalto.com/ |
| 14:37.56 | warrick | I got the debian install CD, but it can't find my D-Link WNA-1330 wireless network card |
| 14:38.09 | Groundy | stew: okay, I'm going to comment everything except stable and stable-updates |
| 14:38.11 | kryl | ok cool ;) |
| 14:38.55 | Groundy | it wants to upgrade: apache2 apache2-mpm-worker apache2-utils apache2.2-common debian-archive-keyring lsb-base trac x11-common xlibmesa-gl xlibmesa-glu xlibs-data |
| 14:38.57 | Groundy | sounds sensible |
| 14:39.07 | stew | Groundy: to what versions? |
| 14:39.09 | kryl | themill, thx u |
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| 14:39.11 | en1gma | what is the file that modprobe reads when the computer boots to know what drivers to load....i mean where does this proc happen or how does it work |
| 14:39.16 | Groundy | lsb-base 3.1-23.2etch1 |
| 14:39.20 | warrick | it's the ath_pci module that I need but the install CD didn't come with it... I'm running out of CDs to burn |
| 14:39.32 | Groundy | lots of etch+1 |
| 14:39.43 | Groundy | and/or eth2 |
| 14:39.45 | Groundy | etch2 |
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| 14:39.59 | en1gma | i know about /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist to stop a module from loading but what causes the modules to load and where is the list of all avail modules |
| 14:40.17 | Groundy | okay, upgraded, but still segfaults :-( |
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| 14:40.31 | stew | en1gma: /etc/modules and /etc/modprobe.d/* and /etc/modprobe.conf ; the list of available modules is "/sbin/modprobe -l" |
| 14:40.46 | stew | Groundy: i'd guess that it segfaults because of something going on on the host |
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| 14:40.56 | en1gma | i did a search for "modprobe.conf" and it dont appear that i have one |
| 14:40.56 | stew | Groundy: like the host is out of memory |
| 14:40.58 | Groundy | stew: mmmm, I hope not |
| 14:41.42 | stew | Groundy: almost alwasy when someone is having segfaults on stable, the problem is in the hardware |
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| 14:41.43 | en1gma | i did a search for "modprobe*" also |
| 14:41.47 | Groundy | stew: and apache and aptitude are the big memory users |
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| 14:42.08 | stew | Groundy: and whatever are the big memory users on the host machine and the other hosted machiens |
| 14:42.59 | themill | lack of memory shouldn't cause a segfault though (unless people aren't checking the return values from malloc, which is a bug....) |
| 14:43.53 | dennis- | themill: a _very_ common one |
| 14:44.00 | en1gma | stew with this command "find / -name modprobe*" it shows "/etc/modprobe.d" "/sbin/modprobe" "/sbin/modprobe.modutils" "/proc/sys/kernel/modprobe" there are others for docs and man pages |
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| 14:44.41 | Groundy | could this be via an incomplete /dev or /proc mount ? |
| 14:44.54 | themill | dennis-: *sigh* yes... but one which mature-enough things like aptitude and apache2 *should* be cured of. |
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| 14:45.16 | Groundy | free shows 13mb mem free, and 200mb swap free, |
| 14:45.20 | Groundy | should be plenty |
| 14:45.31 | Groundy | but that's free inside the uml, |
| 14:46.18 | Groundy | I think it dies trying to mmap 1m of memory, |
| 14:46.23 | Groundy | that's what strace shows |
| 14:46.37 | benjamindees | have you even determined that all these programs were compiled against the version of libc that is currently installed? |
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| 14:47.06 | Groundy | aptitude is 0.4.4-4, |
| 14:47.15 | \amethyst | Groundy: does the mmap complete successfully? |
| 14:47.34 | Groundy | \amethyst: the strace shows that a lot do, but there's one directly before the segfault |
| 14:47.47 | \amethyst | Groundy: what does the one directly before the segfault return? |
| 14:47.48 | benjamindees | okay so that's Etch |
| 14:48.07 | Groundy | \amethyst: <unfinished ...> :-) |
| 14:48.16 | \amethyst | Groundy: that would do it :) |
| 14:48.43 | \amethyst | Groundy: hmm... what's the first argument? |
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| 14:49.02 | Groundy | \amethyst: that's after 46 successfull mmaps |
| 14:49.20 | \amethyst | Groundy: is the first argument NULL or something else? |
| 14:49.22 | stew | en1gma: ok |
| 14:49.28 | \amethyst | Groundy: to the failing mmap, that is |
| 14:49.34 | Groundy | \amethyst: null, so new alloc |
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| 14:50.27 | ks | NameError: name 'cflags' is not defined |
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| 14:51.18 | \amethyst | Groundy: it's not using MAP_NORESERVE is it? |
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| 14:51.40 | Groundy | \amethyst: nope, most are PRIVATE|ANONYMOUS |
| 14:51.55 | \amethyst | Groundy: and this program dies inside UML? |
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| 14:52.05 | Groundy | \amethyst: yea, I don't have acess outside the uml, |
| 14:52.19 | Groundy | \amethyst: and the old uml was 2.4, which was working fine |
| 14:52.22 | stew | Groundy: if you get random segfaults in stable, it's buggy hardware |
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| 14:52.39 | \amethyst | stew: it's UML, so it could be buggy software :) |
| 14:52.39 | themill | or buggy virtualised hardware? |
| 14:53.00 | stew | yeah, in this case the hardware is emulated |
| 14:53.07 | themill | (using "virtualised" in the loosest sense of the word here) |
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| 14:53.32 | \amethyst | Groundy: Is it possible that last mmap is running out of free space? |
| 14:53.39 | Groundy | if I look at syslogs I can see them trying 2.4.26-1um (the existing version), 2.6.17.9, back to 2.4.26-1um, and then settling on 2.6.16.16 |
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| 14:54.14 | Groundy | \amethyst: perhaps, but I doubt it, free shows 200mb of swap |
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| 14:54.32 | stew | Groundy: how much memory is free on the host system? |
| 14:54.40 | Groundy | stew: nafc |
| 14:54.41 | \amethyst | Groundy: hmm... wonder if there's a problem with swap |
| 14:55.09 | stew | Groundy: becuase if the host system is out of memory, it doesn't matter how much your virtual host thinks it has |
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| 14:55.18 | Groundy | swapon -s shows 256mb swap, 60mb used |
| 14:55.21 | Groundy | stew: sure, |
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| 14:55.41 | themill | Groundy: if it's running out of memory, are there any other things you can kill off to free some up? |
| 14:55.44 | stew | Groundy: if you don't know, ask someone that does |
| 14:55.47 | Groundy | host is 2.6.11.6-skas3-v9-pre1 I think |
| 14:55.48 | \amethyst | Groundy: does it fail in the same way if change /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory ? |
| 14:56.19 | muh2000 | how can i remove grub 1.95 completely ? |
| 14:56.46 | \amethyst | Groundy: s/if ch/if you ch/ |
| 14:56.47 | Groundy | \amethyst: inside uml or on host? |
| 14:57.01 | \amethyst | Groundy: in UML |
| 14:57.05 | stew | muh2000: what version does "apt-cache policy grub" report for "Installed:" ? |
| 14:57.18 | Groundy | \amethyst: it's 0 currently, what you want me to try? |
| 14:57.30 | benjamindees | muh2000, use dd to write over the boot sector with zeros |
| 14:57.37 | \amethyst | Groundy: try 2 (never overcommit) |
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| 14:57.51 | benjamindees | muh2000, then you will not be able to boot of course |
| 14:57.52 | tarzeau | does someone have a packages.debian.org/funguloids backport for etch? |
| 14:58.02 | stew | benjamindees: and he will have erased his partition table |
| 14:58.21 | fredl_ | Hmm if only I had an IOMMU isolation capable board, I could also play Windows 3D accelerated games on my 'server' :P |
| 14:58.33 | muh2000 | stew: none ^^ |
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| 14:58.39 | Groundy | \amethyst: same |
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| 14:59.04 | stew | muh2000: so what exactly do you want to remove? the fact that it still boots to grub? or what? (or did you install grub via some other means?) |
| 14:59.05 | mooper | hi, whats the best way for me to set up a printer that is on a network? |
| 14:59.14 | tarzeau | mooper: cups? |
| 14:59.16 | \amethyst | Groundy: hm... no clue, then... I'd ask in a UML forum of some kind |
| 14:59.35 | muh2000 | stew: it still loads boot i tried to remove it and install old grub |
| 14:59.36 | themill | mooper: what languages does the printer talk and what protocols does it want to talk over? |
| 14:59.36 | \amethyst | Groundy: because a failed mmap should result in a -1 return value, not a segfault to the process |
| 14:59.47 | Groundy | \amethyst: agreed |
| 15:00.06 | stew | muh2000: what do you want to boot from? a specific version of grub? some other boot loader? none of the above? |
| 15:00.25 | \amethyst | Groundy: Unless something is happening on the host... I don't know how UML deals with signals coming in to the uml process |
| 15:00.27 | muh2000 | stew: /dev/sda1 ^^ |
| 15:00.33 | \amethyst | Groundy: I've never used UML, you see :) |
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| 15:01.04 | stew | muh2000: exactly which bootloader do you want to use? |
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| 15:02.24 | sine | can i upgrade my sound card drivers with apt-get |
| 15:02.29 | warrick | I downloaded the net inst cd but it has no madwifi drivers, what's with that |
| 15:02.33 | sine | or the alsa drivers |
| 15:02.40 | stew | sine: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:02.41 | muh2000 | stew: grub 0.9x , i rebooted and wanted to do grub setup stuff... didnt found i was like o_O, well i reinstalled grub and i am going to test again... |
| 15:02.52 | sine | warrick i had to get them with apt-get wasnt hard tho |
| 15:02.52 | mooper | themill: ipp? |
| 15:02.57 | stew | muh2000: aptitude install grub ; and read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 15:02.57 | sine | sec stew |
| 15:03.19 | warrick | sine: I don't have a network connection though |
| 15:03.32 | sine | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 15:03.34 | muh2000 | stew: hmmm grub complains about /boot/grub/stage1 not found |
| 15:03.37 | themill | !tell warrick about madwifi-install |
| 15:03.42 | stew | !m-a sine alsa |
| 15:03.42 | dpkg | sine: to compile and install alsa for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i alsa && modprobe alsa ; if this works echo alsa >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
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| 15:04.01 | mooper | tarzeau, themill, Its a big ole colour laser printer plugged into the router |
| 15:04.08 | stew | sine: skip the &&modprobe alsa and beyond, but everything up to the m-a a-i alsa will get you a new version of alsa |
| 15:04.18 | sine | brilliant |
| 15:04.24 | stew | muh2000: is /boot on a separate partition? |
| 15:04.45 | assasukasse | hi all, something strange happened on my ubuntu laptop (ok ok i know, i should ask in ubuntu, but i mainly use debian and ubuntu is only for laptop (i dont want to ask in ubuntu usually they have no clue)) after around 300 hours uptime sudo stopped working, i was unable to connect via ssh, and to regain control of the system i had to hard reboot..which daemon crashed??? |
| 15:05.06 | stew | assasukasse: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 15:05.12 | themill | mooper: ok, ipp is supported quite nicely by cups. aptitude install cupsys and then go to the web interface (http://localhost:631/) and install a new printer. Tell cups it's an ipp printer and give it the machine name etc. |
| 15:05.18 | mooper | assasukasse check the logs |
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| 15:05.39 | assasukasse | mooper: i am doing it, but which one |
| 15:05.54 | wols_ | assasukasse: we still can't help you. either install debian on the lappie or ask ubuntu. good day |
| 15:06.00 | lrp | hey any ideas about any jabber client with audio and video support ? |
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| 15:06.24 | mooper | assasukasse: #ubuntu dude |
| 15:06.30 | themill | assasukasse: messages or syslog are your best bets. But why not just install debian anyway if you prefer it? It works quite nicely on laptops. |
| 15:06.45 | sine | thanks stew its doing that now. question how comes it doesnt do that when i install it to this computer then |
| 15:06.48 | Alaric` | except Thinkpad i1300s |
| 15:06.49 | mooper | themill: that is not true man |
| 15:06.57 | stew | sine: because it's generally not needed |
| 15:07.04 | muh2000 | stew: /boot is on the same partition as / |
| 15:07.11 | sine | ok |
| 15:07.17 | assasukasse | themill: unfortunately my laptop on debian has major problems: no screen brightness change, no hotkeys, no suspend-hibernate, HUGE battery consumption.. |
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| 15:07.33 | themill | assasukasse: what's the laptop? |
| 15:07.49 | assasukasse | panasonic Cf73 |
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| 15:08.10 | fredl_ | god I'm loving this lvm shit. |
| 15:08.16 | cast | lvm is awesome. |
| 15:08.28 | cast | check out zfs, too, though |
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| 15:08.30 | assasukasse | themill: look also i lost the touchscreen feature, since no linux drivers.. |
| 15:08.37 | stew | assasukasse: i change screen brightness with xbacklight. i don't know what you eman by hotkeys, i have both media keys working and xbindkeys. suspend and hibernate are no problem and i get 5+ hours of battery time on my laptop |
| 15:08.50 | sine | assasukasse what laptop |
| 15:08.51 | stew | assasukasse: which touchscreen drivers are you using now? |
| 15:08.57 | assasukasse | stew: what laptop do u have |
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| 15:09.06 | stew | assasukasse: i have thinkpads |
| 15:09.16 | assasukasse | stew: no drivers..i am not using touchscreen...because couldnt find one that works |
| 15:09.36 | sine | stew shall i reboot after installig htem |
| 15:09.44 | stew | sine: why reboot? |
| 15:09.45 | assasukasse | stew: i found this lap has a gunzet touchscreen, but they don't work anyway.. |
| 15:09.46 | Alaric` | stew: ever managed to get debian4 to install on a thinkpad i1300? |
| 15:09.57 | sine | to um get them going ? |
| 15:10.00 | stew | Alaric`: i've never seen one of those |
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| 15:10.05 | stew | sine: you don't have to |
| 15:10.05 | sine | oh i forgot this isnt windwos |
| 15:10.09 | binfalse | hi |
| 15:10.18 | themill | Alaric`: did you steal it from a museum....? |
| 15:10.51 | Xenguy | fredl_: is lvm fairly straightforward to setup, or can it get complicated ? |
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| 15:10.51 | Laser | mooper: i'm the laser around here :P |
| 15:10.55 | assasukasse | stew: u get 5 hours on thinkpad? wow that's great...mine doesnt go over 2.30 hours with ubuntu, with wincoze was around 3.30, debian eats up the battery in around 1 hour |
| 15:11.29 | fredl_ | Xenguy - so far so good. I had some background knowledge about how it works, so if you're totally blank it may take a bit longer, but I had fairly little trouble |
| 15:11.51 | Xenguy | Alaric`: TPs are usually pretty hardware compatible with linux I've found (dunno about that particular model though) |
| 15:12.20 | Xenguy | fredl_: nice, I've been meaning to try sometime, the payoff sounds worth it |
| 15:12.55 | stew | assasukasse: yes. you'll find that now with powertop, you should be able to do better than windows on a linux laptop |
| 15:12.57 | sine | stew works cool mate no more sound out the speakers although i have to manually mute it, porn is safe again |
| 15:13.13 | fredl_ | Xenguy - I have 3 disks in this system, being able to just spread a filesystem over multiple disks is SO pleasant |
| 15:13.29 | Xenguy | :-) |
| 15:13.30 | themill | sine: too much information |
| 15:13.36 | assasukasse | stew: powertop? is that on lenny? i still use cpufreq and speedstep |
| 15:13.49 | stew | assasukasse: /msg dpkg pdo |
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| 15:14.19 | fredl_ | although it kinda sucks to have to resize2fs if you make a logical volume bigger. |
| 15:14.25 | ks | why do I have this error NameError: name 'cflags' is not defined |
| 15:14.26 | stew | assasukasse: yes, i use cpufreq and speedstep as well, powertop is like top but tells you what is causing wakeups (and therefore more power usage) |
| 15:14.48 | fredl_ | and that you have to umount your filesystem before resize2fs'ing |
| 15:14.51 | stew | ks: what are you doing when you get that error? |
| 15:14.55 | assasukasse | stew: AAAH GREATTTT thanks! |
| 15:15.00 | fredl_ | but I can live with that |
| 15:15.11 | ks | stew trying to run python's setup.py |
| 15:15.26 | stew | ks: what are you trying to compile? |
| 15:15.42 | ks | stew not sure it just an app that has this file |
| 15:15.57 | stew | ks: if you don't know what you are compiling, then why are you compiling it? |
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| 15:16.06 | irule | hi, I added "include = /etc/samba/smb.conf.accounting" to /etc/samba/smb.conf and the working [accounting] share inside of the new file, saved, restarted samba, and whala! no more share! it does not work, am I missing somehting? this is on debian etch, thanks |
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| 15:16.19 | ks | stew that's internals of the prog |
| 15:16.29 | stew | ks: what is 'the prog'? |
| 15:16.39 | ks | python program |
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| 15:16.57 | stew | ks: what python program |
| 15:16.58 | themill | !cia |
| 15:16.58 | dpkg | it has been said that cia is see <cooperation in asking for help>, or Central Intelligence Agency |
| 15:17.03 | themill | !cooperation in asking for help |
| 15:17.03 | dpkg | somebody said cooperation in asking for help was trying to give as much relevant information as possible and reading cited documentation. Ask me about <sicco> and <research>. Abbreviated as <cia> |
| 15:17.08 | themill | !stupid bot |
| 15:17.08 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 15:17.17 | ks | just wonder if this is something obvious lying on the surface like 'install this dependency' |
| 15:17.39 | stew | ks: i don't know. what are you trying to compile? |
| 15:17.48 | ks | stew i cant paste error trace |
| 15:18.00 | stew | ks: can you paste the name of the program you are tyring to compile? |
| 15:18.23 | assasukasse | stew i have another problem this time on debian, when i send ssh-add i get an error that it can't contact the ssh-agent... |
| 15:18.38 | stew | assasukasse: from within X or not? |
| 15:18.50 | ks | stew it's actually python > it's easy_setup syste > actual c/c++ |
| 15:19.01 | assasukasse | from x |
| 15:19.09 | stew | ks: why are you trying to compile python instead of just installing it with apt-get or aptitude? |
| 15:19.24 | stew | assasukasse: how are you starting X? are you loggin in to a dm or running startx? |
| 15:19.52 | ks | stew this is the way the application works |
| 15:20.07 | stew | ks: what is the application? |
| 15:20.13 | ks | stew all i need to do is to install it on debian |
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| 15:20.20 | stew | ks: install what on debian? |
| 15:20.23 | ks | stew wait a sec |
| 15:21.05 | ks | stew https://www.elasticdrive.com/readme.377.0.html |
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| 15:21.43 | bulio| | how can I enable UTF-8 support in debian? |
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| 15:22.04 | bulio| | I have a website which is english and french, and french custom characters arent displaying properly |
| 15:22.05 | assasukasse | stew: gdm |
| 15:22.40 | themill | ks: I presume you read the bit about "CFLAGS related errors" |
| 15:22.44 | stew | assasukasse: hmm, in that case it should be sourceing /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent |
| 15:22.47 | ks | stew nm found it |
| 15:22.53 | assasukasse | stew: uff, i am using etch on my other lap, powetop is not available :( |
| 15:23.01 | assasukasse | *powertop |
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| 15:23.28 | stew | assasukasse: its on backports |
| 15:23.36 | bulio| | anyone? |
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| 15:23.47 | ks | stew it missed libfuse-dev, not python-dev |
| 15:23.56 | stew | assasukasse: in any case, you can start a new ssh-agent by running "ssh-agent", then copy the environment variables it spits out |
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| 15:24.12 | assasukasse | stew: thanks! i will try to find in backports.. |
| 15:24.13 | themill | bulio|: that's a font problem. Try installing or telling your browser to use better fonts. |
| 15:24.19 | simmerz|work | are the defaults set for denyhosts in etch actually sane or is there a better configuration? |
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| 15:24.24 | sine | is acpi responsible for the cpu cooler/fan |
| 15:24.38 | stew | assasukasse: you'll want to be running a 2.6.21 or better kernel to get the most out of powertop |
| 15:24.39 | bulio| | themill: I just need UTF-8 on apache2 |
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| 15:24.44 | stew | sine: maybe |
| 15:24.46 | bulio| | so that I can serve a UTF-8 page |
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| 15:25.15 | themill | bulio|: hang on.... what are you trying to do.... please start again from the beginning |
| 15:25.27 | assasukasse | stew: sorry for the stupid question, but do i need to install gnome with debian? i wanted something lighter, what can i install? |
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| 15:26.18 | bulio| | themill: I have a website right now, written in english and french. When I click on french, all my french accents became funny symbols |
| 15:26.18 | stew | assasukasse: no, you certainly don't need to install gnome. you can just skip the "desktop" part of the install and then when the install is done, "aptitude install xorg xfce4" or "aptitude install xorg insertyourwindowmanagerhere" or whatever |
| 15:26.22 | fredl_ | hmm with lvextend... should I use the whole pathname, like /dev/mapper/vgnam-lvname ? |
| 15:26.34 | bulio| | themill: the server is running debian etch and apache2 |
| 15:26.35 | cast | use /dev/vg/lvname |
| 15:26.44 | assasukasse | stew: am i going to get troubles? like no menues, and stuff like that? |
| 15:26.46 | fredl_ | oh.. ok |
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| 15:26.53 | cast | wait, why am i telling you whats in man lvextend |
| 15:27.02 | sine | assasukasse is running ubuntu |
| 15:27.04 | fredl_ | well /dev/vg doesn't exist |
| 15:27.06 | sine | OUT! |
| 15:27.08 | troubled | cast: :) |
| 15:27.09 | fredl_ | so you tell me |
| 15:27.19 | stew | assasukasse: no you shouldn't |
| 15:27.21 | assasukasse | sine of course, i told you before! |
| 15:27.25 | stew | sine: eh? |
| 15:27.26 | troubled | fredl_: /dev/<volume group name>/<logic volume name> |
| 15:27.34 | fredl_ | hmm |
| 15:27.37 | fredl_ | I se |
| 15:27.38 | fredl_ | see |
| 15:27.40 | sine | what i said |
| 15:27.40 | fredl_ | sorry |
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| 15:27.43 | themill | bulio|: ok. There are a couple of steps to this. Are you sending proper headers or a META tag setting the encoding to be UTF-8 from your website? |
| 15:27.50 | stew | sine: he is welcome to ask questions about debian in here |
| 15:28.00 | apollo13 | is there a way to apt-get download gnome (for example) and include the dependencies |
| 15:28.02 | bulio| | themill: I'm using joomla, so most likely proper headers |
| 15:28.12 | sine | yes i was joking matey |
| 15:28.18 | bulio| | themill: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?> |
| 15:28.38 | themill | bulio|: don't bet on it.... that's not a UTF-8 encoding, is it :) |
| 15:29.12 | assasukasse | well, i know there is some "bitterness" between the two, but i just use what i need to, if i can use debian i save some ram and use it, when i can't i have to use ubuntu for better compatibility (read it, laptop) |
| 15:29.19 | bulio| | themill: nope, I think joomla might be my problem :S |
| 15:29.30 | themill | bulio|: although french accents are (I think) mostly the same within utf-8 and iso8859-1 |
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| 15:30.14 | themill | bulio|: So, once you tell joomla to serve the page with the correct encoding, you also need to make sure that your browser has a font capable of displaying those characters. |
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| 15:30.54 | themill | bulio|: You also need to make sure joomla talks utf-8 to your database (mysql). |
| 15:31.14 | themill | !tell bulio| about mysql utf8 |
| 15:32.26 | Dewi | hmm. I just installed a machine. Whenever the system beep sounds, the kernel complains of unexpected interrupts from floppy0 ! |
| 15:32.45 | Dewi | I wonder how I can get it to forget about floppy0 (I have no floppy drive) |
| 15:33.15 | troubled | Dewi: its disabled in the bios as well? |
| 15:33.26 | sine | lol |
| 15:33.33 | assasukasse | stew: sorry if i bother you still, do u have touchscreen ? and is it working? |
| 15:33.41 | stew | assasukasse: i don't |
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| 15:34.38 | troubled | sine: oh, heya ;) |
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| 15:34.59 | Dewi | troubled: yeah, tried both off and on |
| 15:35.17 | Dewi | troubled: it spews stuff onto the console whenever I hit 'tab' |
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| 15:35.42 | troubled | Dewi: hmm, can't say ive much experience with no floppy, perhaps theres a kernel param to override it though? or rmmod floppy module? |
| 15:35.54 | Dewi | troubled: I assume it's just one of those completely bizarre things about PC hardware layouts... that the system bell shares interrupts with the floppy controller? |
| 15:36.15 | Dewi | there's all kinds of crazy stuff like that in PCs |
| 15:36.19 | troubled | Dewi: *shrug* |
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| 15:36.30 | Dewi | or maybe I just have a really perverse PnP allocator |
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| 15:36.53 | troubled | Dewi: try rmmod floppy and see if that helps as a start |
| 15:37.45 | troubled | Dewi: mind shows nothing using my module, should rm ok |
| 15:37.49 | troubled | s/mind/mine/ |
| 15:38.08 | Groundy | right, so I found the issue with my debian uml, it's tls dependant, |
| 15:38.08 | Dewi | troubled: hey, it worked. I wonder how I suppress that module from loading next boot |
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| 15:38.15 | troubled | !blcklist |
| 15:38.17 | troubled | !blacklist |
| 15:38.17 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. |
| 15:38.20 | Dewi | troubled: rmmod won't persist in any way will it |
| 15:38.29 | Dewi | oh |
| 15:38.33 | Groundy | if I move /lib/tls out of the way, everything works (apache2, aptitude, host, etc), if I put it back, all goes pear shaped |
| 15:38.34 | troubled | Dewi: no, but you can blacklist the module |
| 15:38.48 | nimbat | Hi, I have some problems with xterm + freetype + bold chars |
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| 15:39.21 | nimbat | Has anyone an idea how to get rid of bold chars when colors are displayed? |
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| 15:41.00 | dalias | nimbat, here |
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| 15:41.14 | dalias | in your .Xresources |
| 15:41.21 | dalias | XTerm*boldMode: false |
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| 15:41.35 | dalias | and you need to specify the same font for both the normal font and the bold font |
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| 15:41.48 | troubled | Dewi: there does seem to be a kernel param though. perhaps: floppy=0,16,cmos |
| 15:42.06 | nimbat | dalias: I already have this in my .Xresources: |
| 15:42.10 | nimbat | XTerm*faceName: Monospace |
| 15:42.10 | sine | is there a vmware package for debian |
| 15:42.14 | troubled | Dewi: worst case, blacklist, but the syntax for kernel param can be found in: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/floppy.txt |
| 15:42.14 | nimbat | XTerm*boldFont: Monospace |
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| 15:42.23 | dalias | well add the boldMode: false thing |
| 15:42.24 | nimbat | XTerm*boldMode: false |
| 15:42.25 | Dewi | troubled: heh. well grub went onto the same drive so I'm messing with that stuff anyway! |
| 15:42.28 | fredl_ | uhm |
| 15:42.29 | Dewi | troubled: same/wrong/ |
| 15:42.29 | stew | Groundy: /lib/tls or /usr/lib/tls? |
| 15:42.33 | sine | all these package installs a noob like me needs to learn some compile skills |
| 15:42.38 | dalias | faceName is for xft |
| 15:42.39 | Groundy | stew: /lib/tls |
| 15:42.44 | dalias | boldFont is for non-xft |
| 15:42.50 | dalias | so it's probably being ignored |
| 15:42.54 | stew | Groundy: tls would be in /usr/lib/ on debian |
| 15:43.01 | dalias | is there something analogous to faceName for bold? |
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| 15:43.08 | wols_ | sine: there is no vmware |
| 15:43.16 | fredl_ | I think I just removed my debian-sys-maint login on mysql by overwriting /var/lib/mysql from an ubuntu server |
| 15:43.20 | sine | oh hi freind :D |
| 15:43.31 | fredl_ | anything to correct that debian-sys-maint password? |
| 15:43.32 | troubled | Dewi: well, try that, the 0 means the first controller, 16 meaning unknown or not installed, cmos seems to be the option and mandatory for it. no idea if it works though |
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| 15:43.35 | petemc | fredl_: you can recreate it |
| 15:43.43 | stew | fredl_: recreate it and make sure the password in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf matches |
| 15:43.48 | wsdo_okadr | I've deleted by mistake some files that were not commited to my svn repo |
| 15:43.52 | wsdo_okadr | how can I recover them ? |
| 15:43.53 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mates |
| 15:43.54 | Ramattack | time to go! |
| 15:43.56 | wsdo_okadr | this is really bad |
| 15:43.57 | Ramattack | bye!! |
| 15:43.59 | fredl_ | ah okay that's what I was looking for, tnx |
| 15:44.07 | wsdo_okadr | I'm probably set back allot of time on working on those things |
| 15:44.10 | Groundy | stew: if I move /lib/tls out of the way it fixes, or if I run with LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.5.0 it works |
| 15:44.11 | nimbat | dalias: I haven't found anything in the xterm(1) |
| 15:44.13 | wsdo_okadr | I really don't want to recode them |
| 15:44.18 | wsdo_okadr | what can I do to recover some files ? |
| 15:44.27 | ribasushi | wsdo_okadr: what file system? |
| 15:44.34 | stew | Groundy: how did stuff get installed into /lib/tls? does "dpkg -S /lib/tls/*" return anything? |
| 15:44.39 | troubled | Dewi: they also mention: floppy=no_unexpected_interrupts (opposite of what your getting: floppy=unexpected_interrupts) |
| 15:44.40 | fredl_ | is that some sort of encrypted pass in debian.cnf? |
| 15:44.53 | stew | Groundy: well if you've moved the stuff, you'll have to give actual filenames, not * |
| 15:44.55 | Groundy | stew: libc6 owns those |
| 15:44.55 | Dewi | troubled: thanks |
| 15:45.02 | wsdo_okadr | ribasushi: ext3 |
| 15:45.09 | Groundy | stew `mv /lib/tls /lib/tls.save` |
| 15:45.17 | Dewi | troubled: you are way too familiar with floppy drives in linux |
| 15:45.19 | troubled | Dewi: np, let me know which one works. im leaning towards the no_unexpected_interrupts though |
| 15:45.31 | Dewi | troubled: I'm... a little bit worried |
| 15:45.48 | troubled | Dewi: heh nah, just used to lookin up stuff :) get accustomed to /usr/src/linux/Documentation |
| 15:45.50 | stew | Groundy: hmm, wierd you are right. dunno why mine aren't there |
| 15:45.58 | stew | Groundy: perhaps "aptitude reinstall libc6" then |
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| 15:46.16 | Groundy | stew: kinda a catch 22 situation then :-) |
| 15:46.19 | wsdo_okadr | ribasushi: ext3 |
| 15:46.20 | Dewi | troubled: I've never been in there at all. Perhaps because I don't have it installed! Guess I shouldn't have ignored that "apt suggests..." stuff eh :) |
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| 15:46.44 | troubled | Dewi: well, the kernel source is handy to have, if only for the docs |
| 15:47.04 | Groundy | stew: actually I can run stuff under LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.5.0 |
| 15:47.09 | troubled | Dewi: that floppy.txt has more than you can imagine about the topic though |
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| 15:47.14 | perlmonk | Hello everyone, any able to tell me why apt-get update hangs at 99% [Sources bzip2 0] ? |
| 15:47.28 | perlmonk | Just before, it hung at 99% [Packages bzip2 0] |
| 15:47.38 | troubled | perlmonk: one of your sources is bad perhaps? |
| 15:47.47 | perlmonk | humm |
| 15:47.51 | jetscreamer | one of the sources in th eround robin is borking |
| 15:47.52 | troubled | perlmonk: can you paste the whole update screen? |
| 15:48.14 | aadil | only the last wrong line |
| 15:48.16 | lrp | im seeking how to add to my crontab a way to uncompress some software automatically everyday afther download |
| 15:48.17 | aadil | not the whole thing |
| 15:48.19 | lrp | any ideas? |
| 15:48.20 | Dewi | troubled: hmm actually the normal documentation package installs to: /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.18/Documentation |
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| 15:48.32 | perlmonk | Sure |
| 15:48.34 | Dewi | troubled: I guess the kernel source has it in that other location you mentioned |
| 15:48.49 | aadil | lrp, tar zxvf? |
| 15:49.05 | Groundy | wtf: on my personal debian there is no /lib/tls ! |
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| 15:49.24 | perlmonk | troubled, Here it is: http://pastie.caboo.se/100203 |
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| 15:49.36 | stew | Groundy: yeah, it looks like it moved somewhere between 2.3 and 2.5 |
| 15:49.44 | troubled | Dewi: i suppose if you install that package :) i just use the kernerl source. more Ãœber :p |
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| 15:49.55 | lrp | aadil, .zip |
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| 15:50.02 | aadil | lrp, unzip then |
| 15:50.04 | lrp | i found out using unzip -o |
| 15:50.10 | aadil | :) |
| 15:50.48 | troubled | perlmonk: hmm, and you have bzip2 installed and workin? |
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| 15:51.11 | nimbat | ll |
| 15:51.26 | perlmonk | troubled, Well, the binary is there and seems to run without problems... |
| 15:52.03 | Groundy | stew: okay, so there's a good chance, that upgrading to testing will actually fix this? |
| 15:52.21 | stew | Groundy: i don't see why |
| 15:52.34 | stew | Groundy: its not like it is breaking because of the actual location of tls |
| 15:52.36 | Groundy | because testing means new libc :-) |
| 15:52.50 | stew | Groundy: i don't think you are seeing a bug in libc |
| 15:53.03 | stew | Groundy: libc is pretty well tested :) |
| 15:53.08 | Groundy | stew: eg: http://marc.info/?l=user-mode-linux-user&m=114243949219837&w=2 |
| 15:53.22 | Groundy | stew: yea, but what I'm saying is that the current version of libc6 wants 2.6.0 |
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| 15:53.38 | stew | Groundy: no it doesn't |
| 15:53.43 | troubled | perlmonk: and you can open ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 manually in say links? |
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| 15:54.02 | Groundy | stew: well the ABI in the libraries is marked for 2.6.0 |
| 15:54.09 | stew | Groundy: in what libraries? |
| 15:54.14 | aadil | perlmonk, which version of apt u using |
| 15:54.15 | aadil | ? |
| 15:54.28 | Groundy | stew: in the /lib/tls/random-choices |
| 15:54.39 | themill | !u |
| 15:54.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 15:54.50 | troubled | aadil: testing sources, I would assume lenny |
| 15:54.54 | Groundy | eu-readelf -n /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 : OS: Linux, ABI: 2.6.0 |
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| 15:55.11 | stew | Groundy: in any case, yes, if you are running etch, only 2.6 kernels are supported. however it looks like the right solution is upgrading UML, not testing |
| 15:55.17 | stew | Groundy: testing is not appropriate for servers |
| 15:55.32 | aadil | troubled, ? |
| 15:55.33 | perlmonk | troubled, It downloads at least.. |
| 15:55.33 | Groundy | stew: which is why I pin stable higher, |
| 15:55.54 | perlmonk | aadil, 0.6.46.2 |
| 15:55.55 | Groundy | stew: anyways I need to pull stull from testing, which isn't in backports |
| 15:56.04 | stew | Groundy: mixing testing and unstable with stable isn't recommended nor supported. |
| 15:56.06 | troubled | aadil: in regards to perlmonk |
| 15:56.21 | Groundy | stew: I'm 100% happy to upgrade to testing, that's my goal |
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| 15:56.27 | aadil | troubled, ah oki |
| 15:56.27 | stew | Groundy: i would not recommend that |
| 15:56.31 | aadil | perlmonk, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.7.6/changelog |
| 15:56.46 | Groundy | stew: the only reason I was sticking on stable was because of 2.4 |
| 15:56.50 | aadil | search for "hangs bzip" in teh page perlmonk |
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| 15:57.00 | aadil | "hangs in bzip" |
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| 15:57.14 | Groundy | stew: any particular reason for not using testing? |
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| 15:57.21 | perlmonk | oh, ok |
| 15:57.25 | Groundy | (i've done it on my home server for ages) |
| 15:57.32 | perlmonk | I'll download the package itself and dpkg -i it then |
| 15:57.33 | stew | Groundy: becuase it doesn't get timely security updates |
| 15:57.36 | perlmonk | Thanks aadil |
| 15:57.36 | aadil | else i think u have duplicate sources lines in ur sources.list |
| 15:57.37 | perlmonk | :) |
| 15:57.39 | aadil | no prob |
| 15:57.45 | aadil | or invalid repo |
| 15:57.46 | perlmonk | troubled, Thanks for help |
| 15:57.46 | stew | Groundy: and its unstable |
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| 15:57.49 | aadil | imho |
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| 15:58.27 | Groundy | stew: secure-testing-master :-) |
| 15:59.02 | stew | Groundy: that was discontinued some time ago |
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| 15:59.32 | stew | Groundy: what's the most recent package available from that repository? |
| 15:59.49 | stew | Groundy: and even thoguh there is a newer solution, it still does't get timely updates |
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| 16:01.22 | stew | Groundy: http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing/dists/testing-proposed-updates/security-updates/main/binary-i386/ look at the dates. last updated in 2006 |
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| 16:02.21 | Groundy | infact even etch is oold |
| 16:02.46 | Groundy | but yea, that server is old |
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| 16:03.03 | Groundy | mar-2006 ish |
| 16:03.39 | Groundy | so why are there 18 month old faq entries saying to use that server? |
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| 16:03.42 | stew | Groundy: so this server is likly vulnerable |
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| 16:03.53 | stew | Groundy: becuase 18 months ago using that server was better than nothing |
| 16:03.58 | stew | Groundy: but not by much |
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| 16:04.46 | Groundy | ahh, what about http://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/testing/ ? |
| 16:05.07 | stew | Groundy: yeah. that's where testing updates go sometimes |
| 16:05.18 | perlmonk | Heh, #debian didn't change, still lot of people that want to switch stuff to testing... even is there's no call for it... just to have... "The last version"... Whatever if the last version really bring or not something really useful for them :P |
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| 16:05.36 | stew | Groundy: however if you run a server on testing, you should be prepared to port changes yourself, and subscript to debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org |
| 16:05.52 | sine | ok i think that my sonypi is not working because acpi is enabled. how can i disable this |
| 16:06.00 | sine | sonypi errors me on boot |
| 16:06.01 | Groundy | stew: that's fine with me, |
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| 16:06.20 | Groundy | stew: or I'll just disable the service until I can pull the fix from unstable |
| 16:06.22 | themill | Groundy: testing is a moving target. It's not that great for servers. |
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| 16:06.33 | perlmonk | Hope etch won't take the time sarge took to become stable though... |
| 16:06.33 | stew | Groundy: then why haven't you been doing that? |
| 16:06.41 | stew | perlmonk: it didn't |
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| 16:06.46 | Groundy | stew: I have on my server. |
| 16:06.51 | sine | i thought etch is stable |
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| 16:07.02 | stew | hah |
| 16:07.02 | perlmonk | Ah, yeah, I'm outdated |
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| 16:07.29 | perlmonk | Left my debians running... they didn't need maintainance... so got outdated |
| 16:07.29 | perlmonk | :) |
| 16:07.31 | stew | Groundy: no you haven't |
| 16:07.44 | stew | but whatever |
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| 16:07.46 | perlmonk | What's the new testing ? |
| 16:07.46 | Groundy | stew: err, that's the other server, :-) |
| 16:07.58 | sine | ok i think that my sonypi is not working because acpi is enabled. how can i disable this |
| 16:08.01 | Filipenc | how do i list /home dir's sizes without going to subdirs? |
| 16:08.29 | stew | sine: blacklist the acpi module: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 16:08.46 | graytron | how do i remove the Debian menu in KDE from all users? |
| 16:08.49 | cahoot | Filipenc, du |
| 16:09.05 | Filipenc | im tring du -hc but it goes to subdirs |
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| 16:09.14 | thepiratemaster | hey everyone |
| 16:10.04 | perlmonk | Filipenc, If it doesn't know what's in subdirs... how can it tell their size ? |
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| 16:10.26 | Filipenc | perlmonk id like it to output only the main dir.. |
| 16:10.33 | perlmonk | ah, ok |
| 16:10.39 | thepiratemaster | how do i move a mysql4 database to a mysql5 database, i only have the content from /var/lib/mysql and no mysql4 server avaialable |
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| 16:10.56 | techbee | Filipenc: du -sh |
| 16:11.07 | perlmonk | thepiratemaster, mysqldump ? |
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| 16:11.15 | perlmonk | ah |
| 16:11.17 | perlmonk | crap |
| 16:11.17 | thepiratemaster | all the goog tutorials assume i have access to a mysql4 server |
| 16:11.19 | Dewi | troubled: finally, success. No luck with kernel params 'floppy=0,16,cmos' or 'blacklist=floppy', but a 'blacklist floppy' in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist did the trick |
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| 16:11.25 | Dewi | troubled: thanks very much for your help |
| 16:11.29 | cahoot | Filipenc, du -S ? |
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| 16:11.46 | perlmonk | thepiratemaster, #mysql might be more useful |
| 16:11.48 | stew | thepiratemaster: just aptitude install mysql-server-5.0 ; make a backup first, as once the data is migrated, its not easy to get it back into mysql 4 if you need to |
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| 16:12.06 | Filipenc | cahoot i tried with -S but didnt work |
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| 16:12.22 | troubled | Dewi: heh, i didnt mean blacklist=floppy actually, I meant in the modprobe blacklist file ;) |
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| 16:12.29 | mafu | Hi there. :) I have a newly installed Etch system that I want to time-synchronishe with ntpdate. But running "ntpdate pool.ntp.org" sets the time to UTC time, but "date" shows the time as my local timezone (CEST), so now it's 2 hours behind. Where are the settings in the system to correct this? |
| 16:12.51 | troubled | Dewi: srry, thought I was clear on that ;) |
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| 16:13.05 | thepiratemaster | no yuo dont seem to understand, i dont have a mysql4 server available since i have no root priveledges |
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| 16:13.25 | cahoot | Filipenc, du -S gives a totl for just /home/<user> - the very last line |
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| 16:13.31 | Dewi | troubled: no, I didn't mean you said that - I was googling around and that was one suggestion that supposedly "worked" for somebody |
| 16:13.41 | Dewi | troubled: it's amazing how many different remedies there are out there |
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| 16:13.46 | thepiratemaster | only a mysql5 server and a dir called /var/lib/myhsql/DC-DB1 |
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| 16:14.39 | troubled | Dewi: heh ya. but the whole reason I got you to rmmod floppy was to test. if that works, blacklisting the module liek you did is the next step. although its a bit of a kludge. some stuff tends to fill the logs with garbage every few minutes when something tried to access it |
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| 16:15.21 | Filipenc | oh ok ty cahoot |
| 16:15.28 | fasta | My machine spontaneously rebooted. What is the file that contains why it did that? |
| 16:15.32 | stew | thepiratemaster: read the mysql4 directory with another mysql5 server, use mysqldump from mysql 5 to get statements you can insert into your target mysql5 server |
| 16:15.54 | Ethan | hi |
| 16:16.13 | Ethan | I am trying the netboot install but my ethernet card is not recongnized... |
| 16:16.17 | aadil | fasta, /var/log/messages? |
| 16:16.42 | cahoot | fasta, chances are nothing got saved |
| 16:16.45 | stew | thepiratemaster: or if you ahve instructions that tell you how to do it with mysql 4, why not just get a copy of mysql4? |
| 16:16.49 | jetscreamer | probably is no log |
| 16:17.15 | thepiratemaster | cant install it, n o root privs |
| 16:17.36 | stew | thepiratemaster: you don't need root privs |
| 16:18.10 | fasta | 17:39 it says -MARK- then at 17:55 syslogd 1.5.0#1: restart. |
| 16:18.42 | thepiratemaster | well i dont have instructions on how to do it on mysql4 to begin with so im gonna try mysqldump, tnx |
| 16:18.42 | stew | fasta: that means something happened after 17:39 that made it reboot. |
| 16:18.57 | stew | thepiratemaster: you can't run mysqldump until you get a mysql server running with that data |
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| 16:19.05 | fasta | stew: heh, that's stating the obvious. |
| 16:19.28 | aadil | heh |
| 16:19.38 | stew | fasta: -MARK- is just something it drops in there periodically to say that it is still alive, it's not meaningful beyond that |
| 16:19.38 | thepiratemaster | so i cent have mysql5 run in compatibilitie mode for 4? |
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| 16:19.54 | fasta | stew: yes, I understood that. |
| 16:19.55 | stew | thepiratemaster: there is no reason to |
| 16:20.27 | stew | thepiratemaster: if you point mysql5 at a mysql4 directory, it will upgrade it to mysql5 |
| 16:21.14 | thepiratemaster | do you mean upgrade the server or the databases? |
| 16:21.22 | thepiratemaster | (new t osql) |
| 16:21.29 | thepiratemaster | , obviously :P |
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| 16:21.41 | stew | thepiratemaster: if you start mysql5 with its data directory coming from mysql4 it will upgrade that data to the mysql 5 format |
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| 16:22.26 | tarzeau | mooper: fun :) |
| 16:22.36 | thepiratemaster | i put the DC_DB1 database in the mysql5 dir on the new server so it would do that but it doesnt skow any tables |
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| 16:23.13 | stew | thepiratemaster: what are the permissions / ownership of the directory/files? |
| 16:23.35 | thepiratemaster | 7 |
| 16:23.41 | Dewi | troubled: yeah. there's a big warning at the top of the blacklist file that it won't work on some modules the kernel loads, and floppy is (according to some random forum posts I read) something that gets loaded quite early on in the ramdisk stage or something. I know nothing of all that stuff; I try to stay in my comfortable text-based userland. |
| 16:23.51 | thepiratemaster | 755 |
| 16:23.52 | stew | 7? |
| 16:24.14 | stew | thepiratemaster: for what? and who owns them? |
| 16:24.15 | Dewi | troubled: anyway, all working now. I dunno if there's been any strange warnings or what - nothing's being spewed onto the console screen anymore though, so I'm happy. I'd better get some sleep; thanks for being so helpful |
| 16:24.16 | thepiratemaster | owner mysql, group mysql |
| 16:24.31 | troubled | Dewi: np, l8r |
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| 16:25.06 | Ethan | hi |
| 16:25.18 | Ethan | how can i know the ethernet card and the driver I am using ? |
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| 16:25.38 | Ethan | netboot doesn'r work... |
| 16:26.15 | jetscreamer | lspci |grep -i eth |
| 16:26.16 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 16:26.27 | jetscreamer | and lsmod |
| 16:26.38 | AVRS | Why could my PCI soundcard sometimes disappear from /proc/bus/pci/devices ? |
| 16:26.56 | thepiratemaster | it went on hollyday? |
| 16:27.17 | AVRS | It started sometime in the summer. Maybe I've deleted something trying to make cmipci always load first. |
| 16:27.29 | claudio` | I have a ReiserFS partition which is shown as NetBSD (id: a9) system from fdisk(8). Can i fix it without recreate the partition table (maybe by just play with the MBR)? |
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| 16:28.11 | claudio` | uff.. s/play/playing |
| 16:28.20 | claudio` | ..fucked qwerty keyboard. |
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| 16:31.09 | thepiratemaster | i seem to have fixed it |
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| 16:31.41 | thepiratemaster | good thing i backed up the querries that build the database-structure |
| 16:33.43 | xerophyte4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:40.00 | Wooksta | does anyone know of a good tutorial / HOWTO for setting up an SVN repo (server) over SSH? I followed this tutorial http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_subversion_websvn but i'm a lil stuck when it comes to accessing it via ssh (svn+ssh://<ip>/<repo>) as it doesn't see the shares, it works fine if i access it via http://<ip>/<repo> but im guessing thats because of websvn... sorry im an svn nub :) |
| 16:40.27 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/709351 = lspci_lsmod_dmesg. can someone help me get my sata to work |
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| 16:41.32 | en1gma | im running lenny k7 kernel |
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| 16:45.27 | S | how to open ssh port? |
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| 16:46.01 | stew | S: open? its somehow 'closed'? |
| 16:46.22 | en1gma | run sshd |
| 16:46.34 | stew | S: did you install openssh-server? |
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| 16:47.35 | bcbooter | how do I make sure my apt has non-free and contrib sources |
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| 16:47.44 | stew | bcbooter: man sources.list |
| 16:48.07 | junix-other | is there a way to login my GUI remotely? |
| 16:48.08 | en1gma | stew did you look at my link above and see if you noticed anything out of the ordinary |
| 16:48.15 | junix-other | i can't VNC into it |
| 16:48.19 | stew | en1gma: no, i didn't |
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| 16:48.50 | P-K | is there a easy way to convert text in a file from upper to lower case? |
| 16:48.55 | en1gma | do you have any spare time you might be able to use to help me get this working |
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| 16:49.06 | section31 | how can i get around this? -bash: /bin/cp: Argument list too long |
| 16:49.15 | section31 | i'm doing a cp /foo/* to . |
| 16:49.54 | stew | en1gma: what have you tried? |
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| 16:50.00 | geo-rge | section31 take one at a time |
| 16:50.06 | amphi | stew: xargs |
| 16:50.11 | tresxnoches | how do i change the right-click menu? |
| 16:50.14 | amphi | bah |
| 16:50.18 | en1gma | messing with bios settings and upgrading to lenny thinking the kernel change might fix it |
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| 16:50.19 | tresxnoches | anyone using xfce? |
| 16:50.23 | stew | section31: echo /foo/* | xargs cp --target-directory=. |
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| 16:50.53 | stew | en1gma: do you know what driver supports your card? |
| 16:50.59 | geo-rge | for i in /foo/*; do cp $i .; done |
| 16:51.08 | en1gma | i dont even want the dvd-rom to be able to boot anymore....i just want it to work after im in kde so i can burn cdrs or play movies |
| 16:51.14 | S | i want open |
| 16:51.29 | S | i have install shh serverv |
| 16:51.44 | en1gma | i believe its the sata_sil but i have seen also sata_siimage and now i see its using sata_nv |
| 16:51.52 | stew | S: what makes you say that it isn't open now? |
| 16:51.56 | en1gma | i know my sata = silicon image 3112a |
| 16:52.15 | S | i wantc change ssh port how i do? |
| 16:52.18 | section31 | stew, thanks |
| 16:52.21 | stew | S: man sshd_config |
| 16:52.29 | en1gma | lsmod reports sata_nv and sata_sil are both being used |
| 16:52.51 | en1gma | "# |
| 16:52.51 | en1gma | libata 110420 3 sata_nv,sata_sil,ata_generic |
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| 16:53.10 | stew | en1gma: find the vendorid:deviceid from "lspci -n" for that card, it will be something like 8086:1024, then "grep 8086.*1024 /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap" |
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| 16:53.28 | geo-rge | libata, that's the new dance craze? |
| 16:53.32 | en1gma | yea it lists 3112 also |
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| 16:53.38 | stew | en1gma: the vendorid:deviceid is in the 3rd column of output in 'lspci -n' |
| 16:53.38 | en1gma | i checked there before |
| 16:53.45 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
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| 16:53.55 | jthomas | how do i find which process is using a file or directory? my apt-et is locked out. |
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| 16:53.58 | stew | en1gma: that will list all of the modules that are willing to support your hardware |
| 16:54.07 | stew | jthomas: fuser filename |
| 16:54.15 | jthomas | stew thanks |
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| 16:54.38 | elenril | is it possible to make a snapshot of current installed packages and then return to it? |
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| 16:55.39 | jthomas | stew that worked, thank you very much. |
| 16:55.56 | stew | elenril: "aptitude install kde" ; if you don't like it "aptitude remove kde" |
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| 16:56.46 | jthomas | elenril: that would be wonderful: the ability to roll back to a specific date with specific packages, so that any poorly-manually-installed built packages etc could be wiped out. It would make Debian just *that* *much* *better*. |
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| 16:56.55 | elenril | stew, KDE4 |
| 16:57.05 | elenril | i will have to compile it |
| 16:57.09 | geo-rge | elenril: sure... it's called backing up your hd :) |
| 16:57.38 | jthomas | really, its called Better Package Management, something that I'd love to see |
| 16:57.39 | elenril | well, the system-that-must-not-be-named has something like this, so debian could too |
| 16:57.54 | jthomas | agreed elenril |
| 16:58.45 | en1gma | stew is this syntax correct in above statement "grep 8086.*1024 /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap" of course with my numbers substituted |
| 16:58.57 | junix-other | is there a way to login my GUI remotely? |
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| 16:59.06 | stew | en1gma: you might need to put quotes around 8086.*1024 depending on your shell |
| 16:59.14 | en1gma | k |
| 16:59.16 | cahoot | junix-other, ssh -X |
| 16:59.20 | stew | en1gma: it wouldn't hurt to put them with any sane shell |
| 16:59.25 | junix-other | cahoot: ?? |
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| 17:00.04 | stew | elenril: so you are worried about removing the build-dependencies? or what? kde4 itself? |
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| 17:01.11 | tresxnoches | are there any other tek style fonts other than artwiz-fonts? |
| 17:01.18 | Wooksta | does anyone know of a good tutorial / HOWTO for setting up an SVN repo (server) over SSH? I followed this tutorial http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_subversion_websvn but i'm a lil stuck when it comes to accessing it via ssh (svn+ssh://<ip>/<repo>) as it doesn't see the shares, it works fine if i access it via http://<ip>/<repo> but im guessing thats because of websvn... sorry im an svn nub :) |
| 17:01.47 | elenril | stew, i would have to update a lot of things to experimental, so i want an easy way to get it all back to unstable |
| 17:01.59 | tresxnoches | anyone? |
| 17:02.23 | jthomas | elenril: i think the safe way would be to just use a virtaul machine in Qemu or VMWare :( |
| 17:02.46 | en1gma | my 'lspci -n' = "01:0b.0 0104: 1095:3112 (rev 02) |
| 17:02.57 | en1gma | so i use the 1095.*3112 right |
| 17:02.58 | elenril | jthomas, that's no fun :) |
| 17:03.07 | jthomas | elenril: nor is a broken system ;) |
| 17:03.08 | valdyn | elenril: you dont need to 'upgrade' alot of stuff to experimental, except what you want to use ( and that should probably be backported ) |
| 17:03.49 | helo | Wooksta: try #svn |
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| 17:04.01 | stew | elenril: yes |
| 17:04.04 | stew | en1gma: yes |
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| 17:06.03 | en1gma | keeps on telling me no such file or dir |
| 17:06.31 | en1gma | with quotes and without quotes |
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| 17:07.13 | elenril | valdyn, for example, there's no dolphin for i386, so i have to build it; but build-dep kdebase fails, because there's no kdepimlibs5-dev, so i have to build that too; this CAN be built, but requires me to install and update about 65 packages |
| 17:07.19 | elenril | and that's just the beginning |
| 17:07.22 | lordmorgoth | guys how can i install gnome 2.20 on etch ? |
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| 17:07.57 | valdyn | elenril: 65 packages that are either part of kde4 or can be gotten from sid, not experimental |
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| 17:08.42 | valdyn | elenril: the kde4 developers are actually building amd64 first? |
| 17:08.50 | stew | Wooksta: it should just be ssh+svn://servername/path/to/repository/on/server ; it should have nothing to do with websvn at all |
| 17:09.05 | elenril | valdyn, i thought that when i build-dep -t experimental, it would download from experimental |
| 17:09.14 | stew | en1gma: what does "uanme -r" say? |
| 17:09.36 | valdyn | elenril: probably, but you can _still_ get those package with apt-get install, from sid, as far as they are there |
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| 17:09.43 | elenril | valdyn, an even if they're from sid, i don't want unneeded dev packages on my system |
| 17:09.49 | Wooksta | stew, is the path to the repo from the / (root of fs) or is it from the root of the svn repos folder? |
| 17:09.50 | chuy_max | I just connected a serial printer to my only serial port, what device should be created under /dev ? |
| 17:09.59 | dlynes_laptop | I can't remember...to get rid of the Gnome desktop from starting up, I need to an apt-get remove gdm and what else? |
| 17:10.00 | stew | lordmorgoth: our advice would be to wait for it to show up on backports.org (which will be a while since it isn't fully in debian unstable yet) |
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| 17:10.07 | valdyn | elenril: they're just packages, they can be removed. |
| 17:10.08 | stew | Wooksta: root of fs |
| 17:10.18 | Wooksta | stew, ah thats what im doing wrong |
| 17:10.20 | stew | Wooksta: whatever the path would be if you were ssh'ed into the server |
| 17:10.26 | Wooksta | stew, cheers :) |
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| 17:10.50 | Wooksta | stew, i think i'm going to go for the ssl option anyway and get rid of the websvn etc |
| 17:10.56 | valdyn | elenril: you should use deboostrap if your 'main' system is important |
| 17:10.57 | coucou747 | hi all |
| 17:11.03 | elenril | valdyn, yes they can, but what i want is to make a list of changes |
| 17:11.03 | valdyn | elenril: debootstrap even |
| 17:11.17 | valdyn | elenril: like /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 17:11.18 | elenril | valdyn, so i don't have to do it by hand |
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| 17:11.23 | lordmorgoth | stew: k dude thanks |
| 17:11.27 | dlynes_laptop | chuy_max: /dev/ttyS0, probably |
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| 17:11.46 | elenril | valdyn, i wouldn't install anything experimental on an important system :) |
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| 17:12.13 | jae | Dammit |
| 17:12.14 | stew | chuy_max: serial? like rs232? or do you mean usb? |
| 17:12.44 | jae | New SATA drive, worked wonderfully *outside* this box, but now that I installed it, nothing goes :( |
| 17:12.52 | chuy_max | stew, rs232 |
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| 17:13.11 | valdyn | jae: the sata controller is supported by your kernel? |
| 17:13.13 | chuy_max | dlynes_laptop I echoed the device but printer didn't do anything |
| 17:13.13 | dlynes_laptop | jae: Intel 965 chipset? |
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| 17:13.36 | en1gma | stew ok i input the syntax wrong before...here is what it shows now: "1095:3112 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0" |
| 17:13.47 | dlynes_laptop | chuy_max: could be it's not on /dev/ttyS0; it could be on some other device |
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| 17:14.00 | \Renegade_ | lree |
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| 17:14.04 | jae | SiliconImage |
| 17:14.06 | dlynes_laptop | chuy_max: like maybe ttyS1, ttyS2, or ttyS3 |
| 17:14.18 | dlynes_laptop | jae: SIS? |
| 17:14.24 | jae | I had the drive lying outside, but fully connected, and everything worked |
| 17:14.28 | jae | SIL3512 |
| 17:14.42 | dlynes_laptop | jae: one of those SATA RAID controllers, right? |
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| 17:14.55 | jae | dlynes_laptop: yup |
| 17:14.59 | stew | en1gma: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:15.04 | valdyn | jae: that means that you dont know if its supported? |
| 17:15.09 | chuy_max | dlynes_laptop I just echoed to all tty* devices under /dev but I couldnt print nothing |
| 17:15.11 | chuy_max | :( |
| 17:15.24 | jae | I know it abso-fucking-lutely *is* supported |
| 17:15.27 | dlynes_laptop | jae: I remember I had an IDE RAID controller from those guys, that wasn't supported in a release version of a distro, but once i upgraded to a new kernel, the new kernel supported it |
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| 17:15.36 | jetscreamer | jae: i heard the connectors can be weak, check em? |
| 17:15.44 | jae | I had the drive lying outside the box, on a couple CDs, and *used* it |
| 17:15.49 | valdyn | jae: sounds like your drive is not connected properly, physically |
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| 17:16.21 | jetscreamer | i have a cheap sii addin raid card also, works fine for me... it's pata though |
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| 17:16.22 | valdyn | jae: confirm that its powered up etc.. |
| 17:16.24 | jae | Is is, I checked and rechecked |
| 17:16.25 | dlynes_laptop | jae: everything's the same as when it was outside the box? same debian and everything? |
| 17:16.29 | valdyn | jae: and that your bios sees it |
| 17:16.59 | jetscreamer | if it worked, and you put it in the box, and it didn't work, it's the connectors |
| 17:17.03 | dlynes_laptop | chuy_max: is that port enabled in your bios? |
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| 17:17.14 | jae | Two guesses: either it interferes somewhat with the SCSI CD I have re-installed, or it doesn't like the SATA cable crossing the whole length of the tower |
| 17:17.34 | valdyn | jae: about every controller will search connected drives with visual feedback on bootup.. |
| 17:17.36 | jetscreamer | try unplugging the cdrom and check |
| 17:17.44 | en1gma | stew "1095:3112 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0" |
| 17:17.50 | jetscreamer | yeah you get the sii bios insertion on bootup |
| 17:18.05 | dlynes_laptop | valdyn: Silicon Image is no exception...it does that, too |
| 17:18.07 | stew | en1gma: what is that? |
| 17:18.09 | jetscreamer | at the end after it detects the onboards |
| 17:18.24 | en1gma | the command you told me to input (thats the output) |
| 17:18.25 | jetscreamer | says 'hit f3 to enter raid setup' |
| 17:18.26 | jae | valdyn: I know, because it tells me (it even shows it when I enter the controller's RAID setup menu) |
| 17:18.38 | stew | en1gma: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:18.52 | jae | SATA cables are unshielded, isn't that so? |
| 17:19.01 | jetscreamer | don't 'think' so |
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| 17:19.14 | en1gma | stew 2.6.21-2-k7 |
| 17:19.17 | valdyn | jae: lsmod | grep sata ( does the driver show ? ) |
| 17:19.26 | jae | Weird, now it works |
| 17:19.27 | jetscreamer | seriously, i heard sata connectors are extremely prone to breakage |
| 17:19.30 | jae | Just for how long |
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| 17:19.38 | valdyn | jetscreamer: sata 1 connectors |
| 17:19.44 | jae | valdyn: that would require being able to boot :P |
| 17:19.53 | Wooksta | http://mattl.co.uk/apache2subversiondebianhowto.html <--- im following this tutorial to setup svn and apache2, when i run the command apache2-ssl-certificate it cant be found, do i ahve to install something other than just apache2? |
| 17:19.57 | jetscreamer | ahhhh |
| 17:20.01 | jetscreamer | doh |
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| 17:20.06 | jetscreamer | you can't boot? |
| 17:20.08 | valdyn | jae: so you really cant boot, why are you telling us that the driver 'isnt working' ? |
| 17:20.14 | jetscreamer | you found my bug |
| 17:20.15 | valdyn | drive even |
| 17:20.16 | stew | en1gma: what does "grep '1095.*3112' /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-k7/modules.pcimap" return? |
| 17:20.26 | en1gma | stew "1095:3112 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0" |
| 17:20.33 | stew | en1gma: i don't believe you |
| 17:20.37 | jetscreamer | you need to use UUID= in fstab and menu.lst jae |
| 17:20.43 | jae | valdyn: because I got errors in booting |
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| 17:20.57 | en1gma | i trimmed down the 1095 and 3112 cause im on other machine typing its output |
| 17:21.07 | jetscreamer | root=UUID= instead of root=/dev/hda2 or whatever |
| 17:21.09 | jae | Ah, okay, sorry, lsmod works in maintenance mode, right |
| 17:21.09 | stew | en1gma: what does "grep '1095.*3112' /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-k7/modules.pcimap" return? |
| 17:21.30 | valdyn | jae: you're like trying to lead everyone on the wrong way with this vague bit by bit information flow.. |
| 17:21.35 | valdyn | !tell jae -about ask |
| 17:21.45 | en1gma | stew "1095:3112 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0" exactly that but i cut the beginning of the 1095 and 3112 numbers off |
| 17:21.51 | valdyn | jae: nows a good time to tell us the actual error message |
| 17:21.52 | stew | en1gma: best of luck to you |
| 17:21.52 | jae | I unplugged the SCSI CD-ROM, and now it seems to work... that will be a bitch to debug, I can tell |
| 17:22.06 | en1gma | ok i will type the long numbers 1 second |
| 17:22.13 | jelly-home | en1gma: no driver at the beginning of the line? |
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| 17:22.32 | en1gma | omg |
| 17:22.33 | jae | ata1: command 0x25 timeout, stat 0x50 host_stat 0x1 |
| 17:22.34 | en1gma | sat_sil |
| 17:22.41 | en1gma | sata_sil sorry |
| 17:22.53 | jae | How's that? Just getting that again... crap |
| 17:22.58 | valdyn | jae: not properly plugged in |
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| 17:23.47 | en1gma | that screen is using a tnt2 and it defaults to a real bad screen res with a bad font so i made custom font size 14 and stuck it in bold so i can read but it cut some of the imfo off |
| 17:23.48 | jetscreamer | On systems with multiple disk controllers, the kernel/udev may assign a different device node on reboot of the system than was used during installation due to difference in load order of drivers. |
| 17:24.01 | en1gma | stew sorry i missed the very beginning....its sata_sil |
| 17:24.04 | jetscreamer | is that the problem jae? ^^ |
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| 17:24.31 | elenril | can any dark mage = regexp expert help me turn /var/lib/dpkg/status to a list of 'package=version' |
| 17:24.50 | valdyn | !guru |
| 17:24.51 | dpkg | i guess guru is (GURU Understands Real Unix) or An expert, especially in "{Unix} guru". Implies not only {wizard} skill but also a history of being a knowledge resource for others. Less often, used (with a qualifier) for other experts on other systems, as in "VMS guru". or what meditates inside Amigas. or it's pointless to ask for a guru in a knowledge field because people being humble, nobody will answer your question. "GUide to Ram Upgrades for ... |
| 17:24.59 | stew | elenril: install grep-dctrl and man grep-status |
| 17:25.31 | jetscreamer | remember you also change the grub hd detection order when you add hd's |
| 17:25.44 | jetscreamer | if you put it in the middle |
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| 17:28.08 | jelly-home | elenril: an expert might advise learning some awk (or, if you feel really adventurous, perl) |
| 17:28.19 | en1gma | stew when i unplug the sata cable from the sata port dmesg is not reporting a change |
| 17:28.19 | Wooksta | http://mattl.co.uk/apache2subversiondebianhowto.html <--- im following this tutorial to setup svn and apache2, when i run the command "apache2-ssl-certificate" it cant be found, do i have to install something other than just apache2? |
| 17:28.30 | en1gma | when i plug it back in also dmesg reports no change |
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| 17:29.19 | valdyn | en1gma: does your controller support hotplugging? does the driver support that? |
| 17:29.32 | irule | how can I add the backports to debian etch? I want to install bacula 2.2.4 |
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| 17:29.44 | abrotman | Wooksta: that howto is old .. you'll have to do it with make-ssl-cert now |
| 17:29.47 | en1gma | i read somewhere that the silicon image chip does |
| 17:29.48 | abrotman | which isn't as automagic |
| 17:29.53 | en1gma | let me re-read it again to make sure |
| 17:29.56 | valdyn | en1gma: the choip is not enough |
| 17:30.02 | Wooksta | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 17:30.02 | valdyn | !sata raid |
| 17:30.03 | dpkg | The FAQ for linux SATA RAID is at http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html also a how-to for software SATA RAID can be found at http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 17:30.10 | abrotman | !stat faq |
| 17:30.12 | valdyn | !libata |
| 17:30.13 | jelly-home | en1gma: was that somewhere the specs of your exact controller? |
| 17:30.13 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 17:30.13 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
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| 17:30.59 | valdyn | en1gma: http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html |
| 17:31.25 | en1gma | http://www.abit-usa.com/technology/serillel_new.php says supports improved hot plug functionality over the origian adapter |
| 17:31.33 | valdyn | en1gma: looks like hotplug is supported, cant tell at which kernel release that was added though |
| 17:31.43 | en1gma | k |
| 17:31.47 | valdyn | en1gma: its a driver thing too |
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| 17:32.10 | valdyn | en1gma: hardware support where the driver has no explicit support is useless |
| 17:32.23 | en1gma | yea so the combo of all 3 might be something missing in one of em |
| 17:32.40 | Ethan | hi, I would to reinstall a new Linux version instead of my new Debian |
| 17:32.46 | Ethan | is there a quick way? |
| 17:32.57 | Ethan | (I don't have any CD-reader) |
| 17:33.01 | en1gma | i read people using my exact same setup that did have it working |
| 17:33.09 | en1gma | but that was like in a 2005 kernel |
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| 17:33.18 | jelly-home | elenril: well, it wouldn't be as much fun if someone just gave you something like /^Package/ {name=$2} /^Version/ {version=$2; if(name) {print name "=" version}} /^$/ {name=""; version=""} |
| 17:33.23 | en1gma | cant remember which one but the post was in 2005 |
| 17:33.25 | Ethan | and I have tried netboot but the ehternet card is not recognized.... |
| 17:33.29 | valdyn | en1gma: dmesg feedback is not a necessity |
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| 17:33.40 | valdyn | en1gma: check the output of 'udevmonitor' for instance |
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| 17:34.32 | valdyn | en1gma: or /sys or /proc |
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| 17:34.42 | jelly-home | elenril: or, even worse, awk 'that line above' /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 17:35.32 | elenril | jelly-home, thanks |
| 17:35.56 | elenril | but you're right it's not so funny |
| 17:36.00 | en1gma | valdyn what files? the log files? |
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| 17:36.48 | valdyn | en1gma: ls /sys/block |
| 17:37.13 | valdyn | en1gma: obviously a hot-removed disk should not show up there |
| 17:37.48 | en1gma | dont show there when i plug it back in there either |
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| 17:41.00 | jelly-home | elenril: you can figure it out from that yourself... awk reads line by line from the input, programs are written like "condition {code-block} ...", things inside // are regexps (that act as conditions). /^$/ is idiomatic, "an empty line". you can probably get the basics in an hour and be able to write something like that yourself |
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| 17:43.08 | irule | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.33 | stew | irule: it will 'just work' |
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| 17:44.12 | dkr | irule: do you mean upgrading the server from sarge to etch, or copying the files to a completely different server? |
| 17:44.30 | YGingras_ | Is there a tool, a bit like mrtg, that will monitor a network interface but will report the sum of transfer instead if doing pretty graphs. I'd like to know how much bandwith each nodes consumed during a given week |
| 17:44.41 | irule | a completely different server, I must have the LEAST downtime possible |
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| 17:45.07 | irule | the new one to replace the old one |
| 17:45.09 | dkr | irule: just make sure your interfaces match. e.g. eth0 is still internal, eth1 external, or vice versa |
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| 17:46.06 | irule | great thanks, so /etc/openvpn is just it? no stuff from other places? thanks} |
| 17:46.20 | richd | Anyone have any idea how to get a SD card reader working with linux? I googled and tried loading mmc_core, mmc_block, and sdhci but nothign seemed to happen |
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| 17:47.36 | dkr | YGingras_: nagios, perhaps? or you could write a script to parse the mrtg log file, :) |
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| 17:47.50 | jelly-home | elenril: there's a ton of howtos on the net, here's a very simple one: http://www.vectorsite.net/tsawk_1.html |
| 17:47.57 | jelly-home | xingu: ORLY? 7.3? |
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| 17:48.20 | elenril | jelly-home, thanks, i think your explanation is enough for what i need |
| 17:48.23 | cobito | hello. i have some questions. First of all is debian etch 4.0 getting the power of both proseccors in a intel core duo proseccor |
| 17:48.24 | cobito | ? |
| 17:48.29 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 17:48.38 | jetscreamer | unless you boot with nosmp |
| 17:48.41 | cobito | and sarge? |
| 17:48.44 | cobito | nosmp? |
| 17:48.53 | cobito | what is nosmp? |
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| 17:49.00 | stew | cobito: are you currently running debian? |
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| 17:49.05 | cobito | yes |
| 17:49.06 | dkr | cobito: multi-core processors are treated the same as multiple separate processors by the kernel |
| 17:49.07 | elenril | i'm now trying to modify it to filter our uninstalled packages with only config files |
| 17:49.08 | jetscreamer | not positive about sarge, there was a point where they merged the smp and non smp kernels into one |
| 17:49.12 | stew | cobito: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:49.17 | stew | jetscreamer: at 2.6.17 |
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| 17:49.28 | cobito | stew: I'm in windows right now |
| 17:49.29 | cobito | ! |
| 17:49.43 | dkr | and linux has handled multiple separate processors fine for decades. :) |
| 17:49.47 | jetscreamer | so sarge is probably a no unless you installed the kernel marked smp |
| 17:50.04 | stew | cobito: well it depends on which kernel you are running. you can check by seeing how many "CPUs" are listed in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:50.11 | YGingras_ | dkr: nagios is doing that? |
| 17:50.13 | cobito | oh, what does marked as asm means? |
| 17:50.21 | cobito | smp* |
| 17:50.33 | stew | !smp |
| 17:50.33 | dpkg | methinks smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or ... |
| 17:50.34 | jetscreamer | it will have -smp in the package name |
| 17:50.50 | jetscreamer | in sarge it will have it |
| 17:50.58 | jetscreamer | in etch it's just 'any' kernel |
| 17:51.01 | YGingras_ | parsing the mrtg log can't be that hard and if all the info is there, getting a repport would be trivial |
| 17:51.03 | lukas___ | Hi, I am unable to pair my computer and mobile (Siemens). I am able to detect it by hcitool con, but not pair it. Could anyone help? |
| 17:51.16 | ezguy | when i run make, it said missing version.h. is the version.h a kernel header file? |
| 17:51.20 | stew | cobito: in kernels older than 2.6.17, you'd need one of the kernels with 'smp' in the name. starting with 2.6.17 they all have smp support except for the -486 kernels |
| 17:51.30 | stew | ezguy: what are you compiling? |
| 17:51.39 | lukas___ | I mean bluetooth device |
| 17:51.40 | ezguy | e1000 driver |
| 17:51.43 | zmitya | hi guys |
| 17:51.55 | xingu | jelly-home: yeah, 7.3; it's getting the right physical geometry now; so obviously things sized for your ye-olde hard-coded 96x96dpi or 75x75dpi are totally thrown. |
| 17:51.55 | jetscreamer | version.h is deprecated or something, i forget exactly but there's a thing about it |
| 17:51.59 | stew | ezguy: why are you compiling it? any debian kernel would have an e1000 driver |
| 17:52.05 | elenril | jelly-home, how do i say && in awk? |
| 17:52.10 | cobito | oh, i get it. Anyway another question(not concering Debian). is intel core duo in 64 bit? and if yes ... when i install gcc will my ints be able to get values up to 2^64-1? |
| 17:52.13 | jelly-home | elenril: && :-) |
| 17:52.18 | elenril | :) |
| 17:52.21 | xingu | jelly-home: I mean... it's doing the right thing... but a 10pt font is now relatively *huge* on a high dpi display |
| 17:52.23 | dkr | YGingras_: I don't know, hence the question mark. I use mrtg myself. i just know nagios has some more management oriented features like that. on the other hand, calculating total bacnwidth used based on periodic measurements isn't the most accurate. someone could download something every 4 minutes out of 5, and not be downloading right when yuor take the emasurement, :) |
| 17:52.28 | zmitya | i have 2 txt files, first: one two three second: one two each word in new line |
| 17:52.31 | jelly-home | elenril: it's logic and math is mostly nicked from C |
| 17:52.48 | zmitya | how can I get the distinction from the 2 files ? |
| 17:52.56 | jetscreamer | diff? |
| 17:52.56 | zmitya | so the result should be: three |
| 17:52.57 | lukas___ | cobito: Core 2 duo is 64bit, Core duo (OR solo?) not. |
| 17:52.58 | stew | cobito: aiui, intel core duo is not 64 bit, but core2 duo is |
| 17:53.00 | ezguy | stew: need the new driver for e1000 |
| 17:53.07 | dkr | YGingras_: nevermind, me braindead, i forgot that the periodic bandwidth checks aren't instantaneous, they actually add up total bytes transferred over the time period and ivide |
| 17:53.09 | xingu | jelly-home: this display for instanc eis 129x127 dpi, and it's right, I measured it with a tape and double checked the math. |
| 17:53.11 | stew | ezguy: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:53.18 | jelly-home | xingu: sometimes I'm glad my display devices actually have 96dpi :-) |
| 17:53.24 | ezguy | stew: iam using debian |
| 17:53.28 | ezguy | not... |
| 17:53.30 | stew | ezguy: hi |
| 17:53.36 | cobito | lukas___ and stew ok and if it is core2 what can happen in int's in gcc? |
| 17:53.38 | jetscreamer | but what does uname -r say |
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| 17:53.44 | xingu | jelly-home: it's good in a way, it'll mean that a given pt size is the same phys size across different dpi canvasses |
| 17:53.45 | jetscreamer | /exec -o uname -r |
| 17:53.50 | elenril | jelly-home, awk '/^Package/ {name=$2} /^Status:.*install.*ok.*installed/ {status=1} /^Version/ {version=$2; if(name&&status) {print name "=" version}} /^$/ {name=""; version=""; status=0}' /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
| 17:54.02 | xingu | jelly-home: but it's one more wrinkle in something that's already got a long and wrinkly past.. |
| 17:54.04 | stew | ezguy: if you aren't using debian, why are you asking us? |
| 17:54.19 | jetscreamer | i think he meant to say 'not that other thing' but i'm not sure |
| 17:54.22 | lukas___ | cobito: sorry? |
| 17:54.27 | jetscreamer | i could be wrong |
| 17:54.28 | ezguy | ok |
| 17:54.28 | jelly-home | elenril: yep. my state variable usually has a shorter name ;-) |
| 17:54.29 | xingu | jelly-home: don't get me wrong, the fonts at this kind of dpi look gorgeous... |
| 17:54.41 | stew | cobito: if it were a core2 duo, you could install either a 32 or 64 bit version of debian. if you installed the 64 bit version of debian, ints would be 64 bits wide |
| 17:55.13 | cobito | stew i thought that would be up to the compiler? |
| 17:55.37 | stew | cobito: yes, it would, i'm talking about gcc |
| 17:55.38 | lukas___ | cobito: as stew said - if you want 32bit compiler then, you need chroot or virtualization or crosscompiler |
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| 17:56.06 | jelly-home | xingu: until you find a legacy app that looks broken. Thankfully gtk and qt are themeable so apps using them don't do pixel exactness any more. |
| 17:56.12 | lukas___ | cobito: the problem is that not only compiler you need, but also libs (libc, glibc) |
| 17:56.46 | jelly-home | xingu: well, most of them anyway. /me looking suspiciously at zynaddsubfx |
| 17:56.53 | elenril | jelly-home, thanks, i think i get it now |
| 17:57.02 | xingu | jelly-home: my working set is so small that's unlikely to trigger; iceweasel/xchat/gnome-term/rhythmbox and that's all she wrote |
| 17:57.06 | cobito | lukas___ didn't get. so if i install debian for 64 bit and install gcc for 64 bit then i will be able to have ints with up to 2^64-1 |
| 17:57.37 | stew | cobito: yes |
| 17:57.48 | elenril | but this still won't remove packages that will be newly installed |
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| 17:57.57 | cobito | stew ok thanks |
| 17:57.59 | lukas___ | cobito: yes, unsigned int |
| 17:58.30 | stew | elenril: why not just try kde4 in a chroot? |
| 17:58.52 | cobito | lukas___ why unsigned? unsigned should be 2^65 i think |
| 17:59.08 | cobito | it's 2^64+2^64 |
| 17:59.23 | jelly-home | can't fit 65 bit unsigned in 64 bits. |
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| 17:59.27 | cobito | where the 2^64 are the negatives that are not in unsigned |
| 17:59.38 | cobito | ok |
| 17:59.42 | dlynes_laptop | to get rid of gdm starting up when I reboot, is it apt-get remove gdm && apt-get remove runit-services? |
| 18:00.03 | cobito | anyway, and for inter core duo. what should i download the i386? |
| 18:00.23 | jelly-home | runit-services? has debian replaced sysvinit? |
| 18:00.24 | elenril | stew, too much work :) |
| 18:00.25 | jetscreamer | that would be 32bit |
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| 18:00.27 | jetscreamer | os |
| 18:00.34 | jetscreamer | up2u |
| 18:00.36 | lukas___ | cobito: but afaik you can get 2^64 bit also for 32bit (type long long int ?) |
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| 18:00.48 | stew | cobito: define INT64_MAX (__INT64_C(9223372036854775807)) define UINT64_MAX (__UINT64_C(18446744073709551615)) |
| 18:00.53 | dlynes_laptop | jelly-home: I have no idea...I just recently started using debian...I'm a slackware user for a loooooooooong time |
| 18:00.58 | lukas___ | cobito: yes |
| 18:01.04 | jelly-home | dlynes_laptop: just remove gdm |
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| 18:01.22 | cobito | stew i degine that in a cprogram and then ? |
| 18:01.38 | dlynes_laptop | jelly-home: yeah...someone told me previously that there's another package I need to remove or another command i need to run, so it gets rid of gdm from the startup sequences as well |
| 18:01.38 | stew | cobito: no, those are the limits defined in stdint.h |
| 18:01.46 | mkl1525 | Hi, (etch) tried to log php error messages to /var/log/apache2/php-error.log with a "error_log" setting in /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini but debian ignores the setting and writes php errors to /var/log/apache2/error.log - any hints why php.ini is ignored? |
| 18:02.18 | cobito | stew in a 64 bit computer. cause in a 32 bit i don't think unsigned long long can be 2^64... |
| 18:02.20 | jelly-home | dlynes_laptop: you can run a command as an alternative to completely removing it ... something like "update-rc.d remove gdm" |
| 18:02.26 | stew | cobito: actually though, on a 64 bit system, INT_MAX is defined as 2147483647 |
| 18:02.32 | jelly-home | dlynes_laptop: don't quote me on that last one |
| 18:02.38 | dlynes_laptop | jelly-home: ah yeah...that was the command |
| 18:02.41 | dlynes_laptop | jelly-home: thanks |
| 18:02.47 | cobito | stew yes and long long as 2*INT_MAX |
| 18:02.55 | cobito | check it out |
| 18:03.12 | jelly-home | cobito: 2... is 2^31 - 1. |
| 18:03.35 | cobito | jelly-home ? |
| 18:03.37 | stew | cobito: no, [unsigned] long long is the 64 bit numbers from above |
| 18:03.49 | cobito | stew ... ok will check it out |
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| 18:03.59 | jelly-home | cobito: INT_MAX with a 64 bit signed int would be 2^63 - 1, not 2^64 anything |
| 18:04.16 | cobito | anyway, is intel pentium M 64 bit? (sorry for many questions but are gonna buy a new laptop and wanted know some stuff ::S) |
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| 18:04.25 | _MDMA_ | hi all |
| 18:04.30 | dennis- | cobito: no |
| 18:04.33 | _MDMA_ | a have one little problem |
| 18:04.36 | jelly-home | cobito: P-M is not 64bit capable. core2duo is. |
| 18:04.39 | lukas___ | themill, Thanks, I use it and I was able to run that wifi. Currently I am facing bluetooth pairing |
| 18:04.47 | _MDMA_ | gdm don't start automaticly |
| 18:04.56 | lukas___ | themill: that was response for /msg |
| 18:04.57 | cobito | lukas___ jelly-home stew thanks ... really helped |
| 18:05.05 | lukas___ | cobito: np |
| 18:05.08 | dalias | jelly-home, "int" is never 64bit on gcc or other unixy compilers |
| 18:05.09 | _MDMA_ | debian sid |
| 18:05.26 | dalias | and not even long is 64bit on backwards M$ stuff.. |
| 18:05.36 | jelly-home | dalias: I stand corrected. It could be if it wanted to. :-) |
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| 18:05.50 | themill | lukas___: np |
| 18:06.13 | _MDMA_ | dpkg-reconfigure gdm don't help :( |
| 18:06.22 | stew | jelly-home: no its 2^31 -1 |
| 18:06.36 | stew | jelly-home: oh, "with a 64 bit signed int", but not INT_MAX |
| 18:06.41 | dlynes_laptop | jelly-home: ah...there we go update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 18:06.43 | InnerFIRE | _MDMA_: what does "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" tell you ? |
| 18:07.00 | _MDMA_ | I'll try |
| 18:07.14 | _MDMA_ | but I suppose it will restart the X |
| 18:07.22 | InnerFIRE | yes .. yes it will |
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| 18:08.34 | InnerFIRE | anyone know if theres a place I can find firefox 3 alpha as a debian package ? |
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| 18:08.40 | _MDMA_ | nothink |
| 18:08.48 | _MDMA_ | dont start automaticly |
| 18:08.51 | InnerFIRE | _MDMA_: won't start ? |
| 18:08.55 | _MDMA_ | yes |
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| 18:09.04 | InnerFIRE | but X works ? |
| 18:09.05 | _MDMA_ | manually i run gdm to start |
| 18:09.16 | _MDMA_ | yes |
| 18:09.19 | _MDMA_ | perfectly |
| 18:09.23 | _MDMA_ | gdm too |
| 18:09.27 | InnerFIRE | ok |
| 18:09.33 | _MDMA_ | but don;t start automaticly |
| 18:09.36 | InnerFIRE | ok |
| 18:09.43 | InnerFIRE | did the command I showed you work ? |
| 18:09.45 | _MDMA_ | btw sory for my bad english |
| 18:09.51 | _MDMA_ | i hope understand me |
| 18:10.00 | _MDMA_ | yes |
| 18:10.02 | stew | _MDMA_: please don't hit enter so often |
| 18:10.14 | InnerFIRE | _MDMA_: no problem.. I got lots of practice with your form of english when I was in Sofia last year |
| 18:10.20 | _MDMA_ | but don't restart just turn off gdm |
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| 18:10.51 | smhar | good evening to all of you... |
| 18:10.53 | stew | _MDMA_: use update-rc.d or rcconf to enable gdm at boot |
| 18:11.05 | _MDMA_ | ok |
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| 18:11.15 | InnerFIRE | stew: /etc/init.d/gdm restart didn't wori |
| 18:11.22 | InnerFIRE | stew: so that won't help him |
| 18:11.29 | stew | _MDMA_: what happened when you run /etc/init.d/gdm restart? |
| 18:11.49 | _MDMA_ | ok 10xxxxxxxx |
| 18:11.57 | stew | InnerFIRE: how do you know it didn't work? |
| 18:11.58 | _MDMA_ | I'll reboot |
| 18:12.04 | InnerFIRE | stew: he told me |
| 18:12.11 | _MDMA_ | or /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 18:12.14 | stew | InnerFIRE: privately? |
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| 18:12.41 | InnerFIRE | in channel.. at least I'm pretty sure that's what he said |
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| 18:13.15 | stew | InnerFIRE: i don't see it |
| 18:13.33 | InnerFIRE | stew: pc ? I don't want to paste in channel |
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| 18:14.12 | stew | InnerFIRE: i have /lastlog |
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| 18:14.31 | smhar | and the problem with me and networking in debian installs continues, It was the build-in network controller that was not configured well, and not working so I went ahead and got a realtek , and now I have eth0 and eth1 but both do not connect to router |
| 18:15.01 | InnerFIRE | stew: 14:09 < InnerFIRE> did the command I showed you work ? |
| 18:15.16 | InnerFIRE | stew: 14:10 < _MDMA_> yes 14:10 < _MDMA_> but don't restart just turn off gdm |
| 18:15.31 | blackbart | When I unplug my laptop from the network and plug it back in, dns does not seem to work, although I can still access the local network fine. I tried bringing the interface down and back up with ifconfig, and restarting /etc/init.d/networking, but neither helped. What can I do next time? |
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| 18:15.51 | _MDMA_ | everithink is just fine |
| 18:16.02 | _MDMA_ | 10xxx to all |
| 18:16.03 | InnerFIRE | _MDMA_: cool |
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| 18:16.38 | _MDMA_ | I know that the startup scripts are in /etc/rc but dont know who is to gdm ;) |
| 18:16.49 | Lukemob | hi |
| 18:16.56 | _MDMA_ | rcconf is a cool tool, I'll remember him |
| 18:17.08 | Lukemob | is it enough to make a folder in /dev/hda1 to mount /etc on it? |
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| 18:17.32 | stew | Lukemob: you can't have /etc/ on a separate partition |
| 18:17.39 | smhar | I can ping the localhost, 127.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.3 (static IP) but I can not ping the router/gateway or google.com. the router answers pings from other computers in the same network |
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| 18:18.08 | InnerFIRE | smhar: can you ping other ips on the network ? |
| 18:18.31 | smhar | Wyzard, did what you said and got a realtek based pci network card, but I still can not connect to network! |
| 18:18.40 | stew | smhar: show us the output of "route -n" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:18.41 | Lukemob | stew, ive got /dev/hda1 mounted on / - i wanna mount /etc/ to hda2, if possible |
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| 18:18.58 | stew | someone actually recommended a realtek? |
| 18:19.05 | InnerFIRE | Lukemob: not possbile |
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| 18:19.21 | stew | maybe possible through some initrd trickery |
| 18:19.36 | fredl | If I want to add usbcore.autosuspend=1 to the kernel command line options I should add that in /boot/grub/menu.lst just after the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST line? |
| 18:19.53 | fredl | with a # in front of it, correct? |
| 18:20.10 | stew | fredl: you want to add it to all kernels or one kernel? |
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| 18:20.21 | fredl | all the kernels |
| 18:20.24 | stew | fredl: add it to the end of the "# kopt=" line, then run update-grub |
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| 18:20.52 | Lukemob | stew: http://rafb.net/p/CMJIzY82.html |
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| 18:21.13 | Lukemob | it's from working debian |
| 18:21.22 | pickcoder | smhar: look at the packet stats for that interface using ifconfig |
| 18:21.25 | stew | Lukemob: ok |
| 18:21.37 | fredl | ok |
| 18:22.53 | Lukemob | i just wonder if it's enough if I make a folder in /dev/ called hda2 for example |
| 18:23.16 | InnerFIRE | Lukemob: your wanting to create the partition ? |
| 18:23.23 | Lukemob | but i think that not, because it returns: |
| 18:23.24 | Lukemob | mount: /dev/hdc9 is not a block device |
| 18:23.30 | Lukemob | yeah |
| 18:23.49 | InnerFIRE | Lukemob: why so many partitions ? |
| 18:24.02 | stew | Lukemob: you don't make folders in dev, you could partition /dev/hda which is a hard drive, and if you created a 2 primary partitions on it, they would be named /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2 |
| 18:24.24 | stew | Lukemob: you can't, however, use one of them for /etc, since / and /etc/ need to be on the same partition |
| 18:24.45 | Lukemob | when /home is full, system won't collapse |
| 18:24.57 | Lukemob | stew |
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| 18:25.17 | InnerFIRE | Lukemob: so you wanted a partition for /home and everything else on / |
| 18:25.21 | stew | Lukemob: that is correct. when /home is full, your system won't collapse |
| 18:25.30 | Lukemob | so, / and /etc will need to be on /dev/hda1, / can't be on /dev/hda1 and /etc on /dev/hda2? |
| 18:25.43 | stew | Lukemob: correct |
| 18:25.48 | InnerFIRE | Lukemob: or you could use quotas |
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| 18:26.33 | Lukemob | how do I set exact size of the /home when partiotioning? |
| 18:26.48 | stew | Lukemob: in the installer? |
| 18:26.48 | loneradm | Hi all! Anyone know how I can open new tab in yakuake? |
| 18:27.04 | Lukemob | hm, stew, is there any way how to do it without installer? |
| 18:27.25 | stew | Lukemob: yes, with cfdisk or fdisk |
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| 18:27.47 | Lukemob | stew, thanks |
| 18:27.54 | Lukemob | brb |
| 18:28.03 | stew | Lukemob: note that unless you already have unpartitioned space you will lose data on that drive |
| 18:28.10 | efaistos_ | hmm ... did someon einstall a debian on a macbook ? I'm trying to put the system in sleeping mode when i close it ... but it doesnt work |
| 18:28.24 | fredl | stew - any idea how to verify that that kernel option is indeed set? |
| 18:28.37 | fredl | hmm |
| 18:28.46 | stew | yes |
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| 18:29.07 | fredl | oi stew. any idea how to verify that kernel options is now actually set? |
| 18:29.10 | stew | fredl: reread menu.lst, and now that option should have been propagated to all the kernel command lines (after root=...ro" |
| 18:29.47 | fredl | ah alright, yeah it is. |
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| 18:33.57 | SpeedyG | if a debian-box is behind a firewall, but you are logged in, would it be possible to setup some kind of tunnel to a box outside the firewalled environment? |
| 18:34.35 | SpeedyG | like this: debbox(with root access) --> Firewall --> debbox(with root access) |
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| 18:34.53 | SpeedyG | but the firewall is blocking every incomming connection |
| 18:34.57 | SpeedyG | outgoing is allowed |
| 18:35.17 | valdyn | SpeedyG: you can setup a tunnel from inside the firewall, yes |
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| 18:35.57 | SpeedyG | ok :) |
| 18:35.58 | valdyn | SpeedyG: root access is not required on either side |
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| 18:36.08 | logyati | hello! |
| 18:36.20 | logyati | im trying to customize debian etch |
| 18:36.47 | SpeedyG | valdyn: thats not an issue :) |
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| 18:36.59 | irule | where where the firewall iptables rules saved to? debian etch, thanks |
| 18:37.12 | valdyn | SpeedyG: see 'man ssh', the -R option |
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| 18:37.15 | SpeedyG | i've got to set this box up for a school assignment, but its being run inside the school network :) |
| 18:37.19 | SpeedyG | ah ok :) |
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| 18:37.49 | bryndza | Hi is here someone who have experience with iSCSI, especialy open-iscsi or linux-iscsi ? |
| 18:38.13 | Yorlik_ | Quick question: Can anyone point me to documentation about apache2+auth_pam+pam_mysql ? I tried google without usable result. (Sorry - I re-posted since connection crash) |
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| 18:38.42 | Pikao | hello everyone, a simple question: how can i add a new screensaver in gnome with gnome-screensaver? |
| 18:38.56 | valdyn | SpeedyG: after you set that up, you access the box _inside_ the firewall with 'ssh -p <port you chose earlier> localhost' from the remote box |
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| 18:40.00 | valdyn | SpeedyG: you may want to look into the 'autossh' package too |
| 18:40.02 | SpeedyG | valdyn: would that also be possible with that box's webserver, being able to view the pages outside the firewall? :) |
| 18:40.31 | SpeedyG | the box at school runs a webserver, but it has to be accessible to me (outside school ;) ) |
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| 18:40.59 | valdyn | SpeedyG: if you tunnel <port of your choice> to port 80 on that webserver, sure |
| 18:41.04 | barbone | sure |
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| 18:41.13 | barbone | why? |
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| 18:41.51 | SpeedyG | so I set up a tunnel from that box to home for allowing ssh |
| 18:42.02 | SpeedyG | and on that ssh connection towards that box, I forward other ports ? |
| 18:42.04 | valdyn | SpeedyG: it works for any tcp server, ssh is just one application |
| 18:42.05 | fredl | how do I get powertop to estimate the power usage? |
| 18:42.19 | valdyn | fredl: on etch? |
| 18:42.25 | fredl | sid |
| 18:42.33 | valdyn | fredl: 'aptitude install powertop' |
| 18:42.46 | fredl | oh it's installed... |
| 18:42.50 | barbone | why |
| 18:42.51 | valdyn | fredl: oh, unplug the power chord |
| 18:43.01 | fredl | but when I run it, I get no ACPI power usage estimate available |
| 18:43.09 | stew | fredl: modprobe battery |
| 18:43.09 | valdyn | fredl: powertop estimates nothing, it reads acpi values |
| 18:43.11 | nimbat | fredl: pull the plug ;) |
| 18:43.27 | barbone | nimbat |
| 18:43.37 | fredl | battery? why so? |
| 18:43.48 | bryndza | hmm...nobody with iSCSI experience ? does somebody have i hint where to ask such thinks ? |
| 18:43.50 | fredl | I just want to be able to see how many Watts my server uses. |
| 18:43.56 | valdyn | fredl: you cant |
| 18:44.04 | barbone | valdyn |
| 18:44.19 | fredl | well you can according to linuxpowertop.org |
| 18:44.22 | valdyn | fredl: laptops have an amperemeter built in that is accessible via acpi, 'standard' servers dont |
| 18:44.27 | valdyn | fredl: nonsense |
| 18:44.49 | fredl | uh okay, so that output on that page is likely for a laptop? |
| 18:44.56 | stew | fredl: yeah, it will make an estimate if it can read info from the "battery" module |
| 18:44.59 | valdyn | fredl: yes |
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| 18:44.59 | bryndza | if you have and HP server with LightsOut2 you can, it even print graphs :) |
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| 18:45.25 | fredl | aha. okay. |
| 18:45.43 | valdyn | fredl: it would be trivial to make powertop work on 'servers' but that would need servers to have an amperemeter first |
| 18:46.11 | fredl | ofcourse. |
| 18:46.31 | fredl | makes sense, but I wasn't aware that there's no amperemeter hidden somewhere in my box |
| 18:46.43 | abrotman | is acpid installed ? |
| 18:46.53 | valdyn | abrotman: its not a laptop |
| 18:47.09 | valdyn | abrotman: /proc/acpi/battery/ is all there could be |
| 18:47.18 | barbone | fredl |
| 18:47.29 | barbone | poor fredl |
| 18:47.57 | jetscreamer | should i join the microsoft research panel? |
| 18:48.02 | abrotman | valdyn: desktops don't have acpid ? |
| 18:48.06 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 18:48.06 | fredl | poor fredl? |
| 18:48.12 | barbone | poor fredl, yes |
| 18:48.29 | valdyn | abrotman: they do.. |
| 18:48.36 | abrotman | and servers do too |
| 18:48.43 | barbone | poor fredl |
| 18:48.43 | jetscreamer | ammeter |
| 18:48.47 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 18:48.47 | valdyn | abrotman: but desktop mainboards acpi support is shit |
| 18:48.48 | fredl | acpid is installed. |
| 18:48.53 | barbone | fredl |
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| 18:48.53 | jetscreamer | amp-meter |
| 18:48.56 | barbone | poor fredl |
| 18:48.57 | abrotman | valdyn: all acpi is shit :) |
| 18:48.59 | stew | barbone: do you have a debian related question? |
| 18:49.07 | barbone | debian fredl |
| 18:49.07 | fredl | barbone STFU |
| 18:49.10 | numeritos | hey ppl |
| 18:49.12 | valdyn | abrotman: like in mostly not there |
| 18:49.20 | barbone | fredl sucks |
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| 18:49.24 | abrotman | barbone: stop already |
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| 18:49.28 | abrotman | or that |
| 18:49.35 | stew | barbone: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. please keep it constructive and on-topic |
| 18:49.42 | fredl | tnx |
| 18:49.56 | numeritos | do you ppl know a good site like bestbuy.com with sales on notebooks ? |
| 18:50.06 | abrotman | bestbuy.com |
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| 18:50.11 | numeritos | ¬¬ |
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| 18:50.16 | fredl | well trying to save power is a nobel goal I guess. |
| 18:50.37 | fredl | dont think I can save the earth by doing so, but it sure saves me money. |
| 18:50.39 | stew | fredl: the tool will still be helpful with trying to save power, the metrics will just be less tangible |
| 18:50.40 | numeritos | it has to have a store in NY |
| 18:50.47 | valdyn | fredl: for powersavings you need power saving capable hardware which is not there for servers afaik |
| 18:50.59 | fastputty | soeone know how to use openssl with openvpn ? |
| 18:51.08 | stew | fastputty: many people |
| 18:51.12 | valdyn | fredl: but you can still save some, just by far not as much as on notebooks |
| 18:51.22 | fredl | valdyn - I know, but turning off stuff that I don't use anyway like bluetooth helps |
| 18:51.39 | fastputty | stew: acutlaly i did a vpn cleared text i wanna encrypte it, do you know a guide where i can find information simple for it |
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| 18:52.01 | numeritos | what's the point of making a VPN if you're not going to encrypt it? |
| 18:52.02 | fredl | and turning off the CD polling that prevents the SATA disks from sleeping helps a lot in the noise level too |
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| 18:52.22 | fredl | and turning off the CD polling that prevents the SATA disks from sleeping helps a lot in the noise level too? |
| 18:52.26 | fredl | eep |
| 18:52.29 | valdyn | fredl: uh? not on my laptop |
| 18:52.41 | valdyn | fredl: that's just for shaving off a few interrupts |
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| 18:53.02 | fastputty | stew: what is the command to sign the signature |
| 18:53.03 | fredl | oh, well that's not what powertop said :) |
| 18:53.14 | fredl | I haven't heard the disks spin down actually... |
| 18:53.17 | stew | fastputty: "the signature"? you mean the csr? |
| 18:53.17 | fredl | not yet that is. |
| 18:53.25 | fredl | but I just started poking around with it. |
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| 18:53.36 | valdyn | fredl: oh, my cdroms are spinning down by themselves entirely |
| 18:53.39 | Elagic | goldie |
| 18:53.45 | valdyn | fredl: guess that could be an issue |
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| 18:54.21 | fredl | valdyn - according to powertop, hal polls the CDROM constantly. by doing so, it keeps the SATA disks awake as well. Dunno, that's what it says. |
| 18:54.35 | irule | I will replace a server, it has this /etc/init.d/firewall so, on the new system, how can I tell etch to execute the file when I power it on? etch has iptables installed but the file does not exist |
| 18:54.49 | fastputty | stew: yes |
| 18:55.07 | nimbat | fredl: you can take a look at lesswatts.org. maybe there are some hints for you |
| 18:55.30 | stew | fastputty: openssl x509 -req -in foo.csr -CA yourca.crt -CAkey yourca.key -CAcreateserial -out thenewcart.crt |
| 18:56.03 | fredl | cool I'll do that nimbat |
| 18:56.07 | logyati | hey guys |
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| 18:56.13 | fastputty | stew: i have to generate a private key on server, a private key on client too? |
| 18:56.19 | logyati | how do i start a X server with only a xterm??? |
| 18:56.21 | abrotman | nimbat: except it requires kernel patches/etc |
| 18:56.21 | stew | fastputty: yes |
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| 18:56.32 | irule | I will replace a server, it has this /etc/init.d/firewall so, on the new system, how can I tell etch to execute the file when I power it on? etch has iptables installed but the file does not exist, so I will copy it, this is the file contents http://pastebin.ca/709500 |
| 18:56.34 | fastputty | do i have to share the key together |
| 18:56.40 | logyati | i dont want windows managers, i only want a terminal |
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| 18:56.46 | stew | fastputty: no, they keys are private, you share the crts |
| 18:57.22 | fastputty | stew: ok and i sign the key with the crts , and it shoudl work right? |
| 18:57.26 | nimbat | abrotman: yes, at least on etch |
| 18:57.37 | abrotman | and from what i read .. pretty much every kernel |
| 18:57.42 | stew | fastputty: no, you sign the csrs with the CA key |
| 18:57.50 | abrotman | some of them have some of them . but if you wanted them all .. patch-o-rama! |
| 18:57.57 | fastputty | what do i do wit hthe crts? |
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| 18:58.53 | stew | fastputty: put the ca crt and the client crt on the client and server, put the client key on just the client |
| 18:59.35 | fastputty | ok stew |
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| 19:00.27 | fastputty | stew: but if i have multiple clients. |
| 19:00.33 | fastputty | stew: do i need to do those step for all client? |
| 19:00.42 | stew | fastputty: yes |
| 19:00.44 | fastputty | stew: or i just need to generate the private key on server 1 time and use them for all |
| 19:00.58 | fredl | whats the typical place where one would put local init scripts on Debian? just like, /etc/init.d/local or something or is there a standard place to do that? |
| 19:01.00 | stew | fastputty: you do it once for each machine participating |
| 19:01.06 | fastputty | so client have different private key but can i use the same private key for server? |
| 19:01.12 | fastputty | ok thanks you stew |
| 19:01.15 | cloakable | Did you know Ubuntu means 'I can't install Debian' in an obscure african dialect? |
| 19:01.28 | stew | cloakable: take it elsewhere |
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| 19:03.17 | fredl | I'd like to add echo 1 > /sys//devices/system/cpu/sched_mc_power_savings in some RC script but don't want it to get overwritten or reinvent the wheel |
| 19:03.41 | stew | fredl: use /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 19:04.13 | fredl | 'k |
| 19:04.19 | stew | err, hmm, maybe not |
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| 19:04.52 | stew | fredl: sysctl is for /proc/sys not /sys |
| 19:04.57 | fredl | hmm |
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| 19:05.19 | Haris | General Q |
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| 19:05.29 | Haris | Does debian focus on security seriously? |
| 19:05.41 | stew | Haris: yes |
| 19:05.45 | Haris | I hear people give exim an example of it being otherwise |
| 19:05.51 | fredl | I'd say so yes. |
| 19:05.56 | fredl | hmm |
| 19:06.09 | stew | Haris: how is exim such an example? |
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| 19:06.28 | Haris | No idea. Just asking, because I heard someone talking elsewhere |
| 19:06.35 | fredl | I don't have much experience with exim, I'm used to postfix so I installed that instead. doesn't mean much ofcourse but there are options. |
| 19:06.38 | Bracki | whats the quickest way to install/wipe a opensuse10.2 and install a lenny on top? |
| 19:06.56 | Bracki | without any CDs involved please. |
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| 19:07.15 | fredl | Bracki - install a netboot server! |
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| 19:07.32 | fredl | not so hard to do. |
| 19:07.32 | Ethan | Hi that's not related to debian really but How do I set up my linux environment to let it know it has to use a proxy ? (I am using debian 3.0 ) |
| 19:07.42 | Bracki | hm, isnst there a debianize script? |
| 19:07.50 | Bracki | fredl: on the same machine? |
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| 19:08.12 | fredl | Bracki - oh you mean install Debian from within opensuse? |
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| 19:08.14 | stew | Haris: the security team doesn't currently know about any problems with exim. you might want to look at http://security.debian.org and http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/ |
| 19:08.16 | Bracki | yes |
| 19:08.28 | fredl | oh, no clue, sorry. |
| 19:08.40 | Haris | good ot hear! |
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| 19:08.58 | stew | Ethan: 3.0? yikes. that one is long since not supported. you should consider upgrading to 3.1 then to 4.0 |
| 19:09.02 | Haris | Because I'v been telling my clients to get their fedora upgraded/change to debian for production web-hosting |
| 19:09.07 | fredl | Haris - maybe you misunderstood and it's easy to configure exim wrongly. |
| 19:09.22 | fredl | what MTA does fedora have by default? |
| 19:09.31 | fredl | isn't that sendmail? |
| 19:09.37 | Ethan | stew : I am |
| 19:09.37 | stew | Haris: ask that someone what makes them think that exim has problems in debian |
| 19:09.47 | Haris | fredl: I'v configured exim |
| 19:09.55 | Ethan | stew : I am using debbotstrap but it don't work due to the proxy |
| 19:10.07 | Ethan | I am actually trying right now to dl the 4.0 .... |
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| 19:10.40 | Haris | I rarely remember getting facts from people in return. Just vague sentences. |
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| 19:11.53 | stew | Haris: well the security team doesn't know of any vulnerability which means no new ones have been reported to mitre, most likely. the default debian install of exim only accepts mail from or delivers to localhost, so i don't really see where the problem is |
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| 19:12.37 | Haris | The other day, I was asking someone in qmail, about postfix. He said he had problems with postfix, but qmail made his life. I asked him what issues he was expeirencing, and just got 'I'm great with qmail now' in return. |
| 19:13.06 | Ronin | Haris: im sure you'd hear the same in #postfix etc. |
| 19:13.47 | stew | if you want to find people that dislike qmail, this is likely a good plac3e |
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| 19:14.07 | Ronin | ya they tend to be a bit biases in here regarding qmail :) |
| 19:14.13 | Ronin | baised |
| 19:14.16 | Ronin | damn it |
| 19:14.19 | fredl | biased |
| 19:15.16 | fredl | ah what a blessed silence. I have moved a whole slew of stuff from my old P3 500 AMD server to my low noise |
| 19:15.21 | fredl | p4 |
| 19:15.47 | fredl | yes it may eat up some more power.... |
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| 19:21.02 | sam_uk | hi i have my /home on a seperate partition but it is now failing to mount. can anyone help me work out why please? |
| 19:21.13 | abrotman | errors ? |
| 19:21.24 | sam_uk | where do i find them please? |
| 19:21.34 | stew | sam_uk: when you type "mount /home" |
| 19:21.36 | jelly-home | my hovercraft is full of flash plugin segfaults! |
| 19:21.44 | stew | yow |
| 19:22.12 | jelly-home | where "hovercraft" is a loose interpretation of kern.log |
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| 19:22.30 | JosefAssad | anyone here using the etch kazehakase browser? |
| 19:22.34 | sam_uk | mount: /dev/sda4 already mounted or /home busy |
| 19:22.34 | sam_uk | mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda4 is already mounted on /home |
| 19:22.54 | fredl | hmm, echo'ing something to a file in /sys is persistent? |
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| 19:23.13 | sam_uk | I don't think that sda4 is my actual /home partition |
| 19:23.17 | stew | sam_uk: what does "mount | grep home" return? |
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| 19:23.40 | sam_uk | /dev/sda4 on /home type ext3 (rw) |
| 19:23.59 | stew | sam_uk: so what makes you say "it is now failing to mount."? |
| 19:24.49 | sam_uk | i can't view any of the files. My 'actual' home is on sda3 or sda2 |
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| 19:25.23 | sam_uk | what is the command to view all the partitions please? |
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| 19:25.27 | stew | sam_uk: so "umount /home" then edit /etc/fstab so that /home has the correct device, then "mount /home" |
| 19:25.31 | stew | sam_uk: "fdisk -l" |
| 19:25.33 | Kulu | what does fdisk -l return |
| 19:25.37 | Kulu | :) |
| 19:25.40 | yigal | does anyone here do scientific computing using gsl? |
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| 19:25.51 | bryndza | no ideas about iSCSI ? |
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| 19:25.52 | bryndza | # iscsiadm -m node -T iqn.1986-03.com.hp.storage.msa1510i.sga072902l.target1 --login |
| 19:25.52 | bryndza | Login session [iface: default, target: iqn.1986-03.com.hp.storage.msa1510i.sga072902l.target1, portal: 192.168.1.1,3260] |
| 19:25.52 | bryndza | iscsiadm: initiator reported error (5 - encountered iSCSI login failure) |
| 19:25.52 | bryndza | iscsiadm: Could not execute operation on all records. Err 107. |
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| 19:25.57 | yigal | do I need to install the library? |
| 19:26.03 | stew | !tell bryndza about paste |
| 19:26.03 | bryndza | ups, sorry : |
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| 19:26.17 | bryndza | yeah i know, i wanted to paste only one line, sorry |
| 19:26.58 | sam_uk | OK thanks |
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| 19:28.37 | yigal | does anyone here do scientific computing using gsl? If so I cannot find the libraries to compile the initial example of finding J0(5) so I am wondering what is wrong? |
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| 19:30.06 | mooper | hi, sometimes my smb doesn't work to my from my host to vmware server windowsxp's The problem seems intermittant |
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| 19:31.25 | Ethan | if I change the /etc/network/interfaces file, how to I restart the 'thing' to use the changes ? |
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| 19:31.44 | yigal | well I guess you all are admins. and I am the only lonely Debian scientist :( |
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| 19:32.02 | elenril | kdepimlibs5 conflicts with libcleopatra1 |
| 19:32.12 | elenril | oh well, i guess no KDE4 for me :( |
| 19:32.40 | alexfranci | why i can't find /dev/cpu? |
| 19:33.07 | yigal | Ethan invoke-rc.d networking |
| 19:33.07 | yigal | Ethan as root |
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| 19:33.15 | stew | alexfranci: what would you expect that to be? |
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| 19:33.50 | AVRS | alexfranci: if you could, what would you do with it? |
| 19:33.54 | BarryAllen | somebody using debmirror to fetch an etch repository actually? i tried 3 different mirrors, and all they are returning errors fetching a lot of packages |
| 19:33.58 | yigal | alexfranci: what are you trying to do? I think you probably want /proc? |
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| 19:34.04 | alexfranci | stew i should use it for longrun utility AVRS yigal |
| 19:34.06 | Eulex | stew, you pipe machine code to it, and it executes it!!!!!! ;) |
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| 19:34.40 | Ethan | k yigal |
| 19:34.40 | stew | alexfranci: how would you use it? what is "longrun"? |
| 19:34.42 | fredl | I could just put noatime in the /etc/fstab for / even when it's an LV right? |
| 19:34.52 | stew | fredl: yes |
| 19:35.08 | alexfranci | stew it's an application for crusoe cpu |
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| 19:36.07 | alexfranci | stew it use /dev/cpu/0/cpuid |
| 19:36.09 | yigal | last time. does anyone here do scientific computing using gsl? If so I cannot find the libraries to compile the initial example of finding J0(5) so I am wondering what is wrong? |
| 19:36.34 | yigal | why is there no package gsl and only seemingly binaries |
| 19:36.55 | fredl | well I could imagine some cool ioctls on /dev/cpu |
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| 19:36.59 | wols_ | yigal: apt-get build-deb <gsl-package> |
| 19:37.26 | stew | yigal: apt-cache search -n gsl dev |
| 19:37.33 | alexfranci | stew AVRS yigal: -c device |
| 19:37.33 | alexfranci | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.53 | Eulex | alexfranci, modprobe cpuid |
| 19:38.03 | yigal | stew: I installed the dev |
| 19:38.16 | alexfranci | Eulex thank you!!!it works :) thank you |
| 19:38.17 | yigal | I am a happy man now, thank you |
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| 19:38.47 | Eulex | alexfranci, it was a simple search on google. next time, do it yourself. |
| 19:39.20 | alexfranci | Eulex okay, i will. thank you however |
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| 19:40.15 | yigal | ah, the joy to be able to compute roots with open source software |
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| 19:40.27 | fredl_ | hmm |
| 19:40.45 | fredl_ | making usb go to sleep is probably not such a good idea if you have a usb keyboard. |
| 19:41.25 | ExxKA | Hey Guys, for some reason cronbtab doesn't execute this, even though it shows in my syslog: 01 16 * * 1-4,7 (ruby ~/GAS-SMS-med-MySQL.rb && ruby ~/Sms-gateway_support.rb) >> ~/logs/GasLog_Middag-$(date +%Y-%m-%d).txt 2>&1 |
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| 19:41.32 | ExxKA | do you know why? |
| 19:41.35 | AVRS | Why is it gnome-system-monitor I have 1004.3 MB of RAM? |
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| 19:41.57 | AVRS | What is an MB for RAM? |
| 19:42.26 | \amethyst | AVRS: how much do you really have? |
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| 19:42.43 | yigal | AVRS: a gig |
| 19:42.43 | fredl_ | how do you find out which frequencies your CPU will run at? |
| 19:42.47 | AVRS | \amethyst: 1 GB, whatever it is, and an AGP card |
| 19:43.02 | ExxKA | AVRS, then it matches just fine |
| 19:43.06 | fredl_ | I mean in /proc/cpuinfo you can see what freq it's running at.... |
| 19:43.10 | ExxKA | one GIG is 1000mb's |
| 19:43.12 | \amethyst | AVRS: The kernel, and maybe some I/O devices, is using about 19.7 MB, then |
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| 19:43.22 | fredl_ | but I only see it go down to 2.8GHz |
| 19:43.25 | \amethyst | gnome-system-monitor uses MiB not MB |
| 19:43.35 | AVRS | ah, yes, MiB |
| 19:43.36 | \amethyst | so 1024*1024 bytes |
| 19:43.48 | \amethyst | a gig of ram is 1024 MiB |
| 19:44.12 | stew | woudln't that be a 'gib'? |
| 19:44.16 | AVRS | and the kernel RAM is not counted? |
| 19:44.20 | logyati | when i put a script in /etc/init.d, it runs as root?? |
| 19:44.42 | stew | logyati: no, putting a script in /etc/init.d doens't mean it will run at all. |
| 19:44.44 | \amethyst | AVRS: right |
| 19:44.51 | AVRS | OK, thanks. |
| 19:44.52 | \amethyst | AVRS: "free" works the same way |
| 19:44.55 | logyati | stew, i know i have to update-rc.d |
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| 19:45.04 | logyati | i just wanna know if it runs as root |
| 19:45.08 | stew | logyati: then yes |
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| 19:46.14 | logyati | stew, if i create a .xinitrc in root dir and create a script with startx inside, i should start x with anything i call in .xinitrc, before gdm start right? |
| 19:46.32 | fredl_ | well damnit ofcourse I have to have three disks in my system that don't support 'AdvancedPM' |
| 19:46.34 | fredl_ | bah |
| 19:46.37 | fredl_ | yuck |
| 19:46.47 | czeroX | in order to make everything transparent (all windows) what should i do? |
| 19:47.08 | Hiryu | are there any pidgin etch backports for amd64? |
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| 19:47.22 | valdyn | Hiryu: backport it yourself |
| 19:47.58 | Hiryu | valdyn: ok, how? |
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| 19:48.06 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 19:48.06 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 19:48.33 | Hiryu | oh is that all? |
| 19:48.34 | Hiryu | heh |
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| 19:48.53 | valdyn | Hiryu: it would be more work if pidgin required different packages to be backported too, but it doesn't |
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| 19:49.02 | stew | logyati: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:49.15 | Hiryu | valdyn: "E: Build-dependencies for pidgin could not be satisfied." |
| 19:49.35 | Hiryu | looks like it does |
| 19:49.37 | valdyn | Hiryu: uh, which packages could not be installed? |
| 19:49.47 | valdyn | Hiryu: it cant be much - i did backport it.. |
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| 19:49.57 | Hiryu | valdyn: just build-dep, it doesn't actually list anything |
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| 19:50.26 | valdyn | Hiryu: 'apt-get source pidgin', read the .dsc file for build-deps |
| 19:50.42 | syzygyBSD | is there a way to load a file during setup that will answer most of the questions for you? or even just get you to the partition disks step (with network-console loaded as well) |
| 19:51.00 | \amethyst | !preseed |
| 19:51.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 19:51.15 | syzygyBSD | thanks! |
| 19:51.42 | czeroX | where can i get themes for debian? |
| 19:51.48 | valdyn | !info debhelper etch |
| 19:51.52 | dpkg | debhelper: (helper programs for debian/rules), section devel, is optional. Version: 5.0.42 (etch), Packaged size: 498 kB, Installed size: 1248 kB |
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| 19:51.55 | \amethyst | czeroX: are you using gnome? |
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| 19:53.24 | czeroX | \amethyst yes |
| 19:54.37 | \amethyst | czeroX: install the packages metacity-themes, gnome-themes, and gnome-themes-extra... that should give you a number of extra themes to choose from in gnome-theme-manager |
| 19:55.02 | \amethyst | czeroX: "Theme" and "Windows" in the Control Center |
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| 19:56.40 | kenjy | how can I know the compiled parameters of a package? |
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| 19:57.04 | sam1337 | Is it possible to convert a 32bit version of debian into a 64 bit version? |
| 19:57.25 | kenjy | no sam1337 |
| 19:57.39 | valdyn | sam1337: no |
| 19:57.40 | \amethyst | sam1337: if you use a 64-bit kernel, you can install debian in a 64-bit chroot |
| 19:57.50 | \amethyst | but that's not "converting" per se |
| 19:57.59 | sam1337 | thanks for the responses |
| 19:58.02 | valdyn | and also not really easier |
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| 19:58.12 | valdyn | ...than a reinstall |
| 19:58.52 | stew | kenjy: "apt-get source packagename" then read packagename-version/debian/rules |
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| 19:59.24 | kenjy | stew: no way to know from packages.debian.org? or somewhere else? |
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| 20:00.02 | stew | kenjy: you could download the .diff.gz from packages.debian.org and read the debian/rules from the diff |
| 20:00.13 | sam1337 | I have started using debian instead of ubuntu for a little while now and my only gripe is that the etch kernel does not support my dvd drive and the lenny kernel does not support my nvidia card. |
| 20:00.30 | valdyn | sam1337: and the backports.org kernel? |
| 20:00.50 | stew | sam1337: how is your dvd drive connected? what driver in ubuntu supports it? |
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| 20:01.06 | xand | sam1337: your dvd drive should work if the ide/sata controller does... do other drives? |
| 20:01.08 | sam1337 | valdyn there is no 686 kernel in backports.org for me that i could find |
| 20:01.28 | sam1337 | xand my cd drive does but this dvd-rw drive does not |
| 20:01.45 | \amethyst | sam1337: you could try the sid kernel... AFAIK it doesn't have dependencies that would keep it from being installed on etch |
| 20:01.49 | sam1337 | stew sorry I am a newbie to linux and i cannot answer those questions |
| 20:02.01 | xand | sam1337: connected to the same controller? seems very unlikely... |
| 20:02.22 | xand | sam1337: how old is the PC? |
| 20:02.33 | sam1337 | xand i got it at the end of 2005 |
| 20:02.40 | czeroX | \amethyst: yeah it has some there, but where can i get new themes on ie? |
| 20:02.49 | \amethyst | czeroX: ie? |
| 20:02.50 | xand | are you sure they're cabled correctly? is the drive detected by the bios? |
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| 20:02.52 | pickcoder | sam1337: did you install one of the drives? |
| 20:02.57 | czeroX | well, internet |
| 20:03.00 | \amethyst | czeroX: You mean iceweasel/firefox? |
| 20:03.04 | sam1337 | amethyst what would be the best way of installing the sid kernel? |
| 20:03.14 | stew | sam1337: you don't want the sid kernel |
| 20:03.18 | xand | linux shouldn't care about drive model as long as it supports IDE or SATA... (or scsi) |
| 20:03.18 | valdyn | sam1337: backports.org has linux-image-2.6.21-2-686_2.6.21-6~bpo.1_i386.deb |
| 20:03.19 | sam1337 | pickcoder no both drives came with the pc |
| 20:03.22 | stew | sam1337: what makes you say that your dvd drive isn't supported? |
| 20:03.28 | czeroX | i meant internet explorer haha, i use windows too |
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| 20:03.39 | valdyn | sam1337: 2.6.21 is probably just the one that breaks nvidia drivers? I don't remember |
| 20:03.52 | sam1337 | valdyn tried that kernel breaks nvidia drivers |
| 20:03.54 | \amethyst | valdyn: that's why I suggested sid |
| 20:04.10 | sam1337 | stew the bootup is slow and the drive simple does not work. |
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| 20:04.19 | pickcoder | sam1337: if you haven't tweaked anything or changed anything and they are both SATA drives then they both would be detected or neither of them would |
| 20:04.29 | stew | sam1337: "modprobe ide-cd" then try your drive again |
| 20:04.37 | fredl_ | sam1337 - spend a good chunk of yesterday trying to get nvidia drivers to work on lenny |
| 20:04.51 | fredl_ | sam1337, didn't get it to work though. |
| 20:04.58 | mattuk | how stable is Lenny |
| 20:05.06 | fredl_ | well pretty stable. |
| 20:05.06 | stew | mattuk: not at all, it changes daily |
| 20:05.06 | abrotman | depends what you want to use it for |
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| 20:05.27 | mattuk | okay, thanks - ill stick with my original plan :) |
| 20:05.29 | fredl_ | well define stable :) |
| 20:05.35 | stew | !definition of stable |
| 20:05.40 | stew | hrm |
| 20:05.43 | sam1337 | stew still does not work |
| 20:05.54 | stew | sam1337: what did you try to do? |
| 20:05.54 | beardy | Stable is stable. |
| 20:05.54 | \amethyst | sam1337: look up linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 (and the corresponding linux-headers packages for compiling modules) on packages.debian.org, download the debs from there, and dpkg -i them |
| 20:05.56 | beardy | !stable |
| 20:05.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0), or ask me about releases. |
| 20:06.00 | mattuk | Well im on ubuntu 7.04 and i dont find it v stable |
| 20:06.07 | stew | \amethyst: why do you think he should upgrade his kernel? |
| 20:06.13 | beardy | #ubuntu is not here. |
| 20:06.18 | pickcoder | heh |
| 20:06.21 | sam1337 | \amethyst thanks will do |
| 20:06.33 | stew | sam1337: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:06.34 | czeroX | \amethyst: any ideas? |
| 20:06.35 | sam1337 | stew i am trying to get full hardware support on debian |
| 20:06.45 | sam1337 | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 20:06.50 | \amethyst | stew: because the nvidia drivers have problems compiling against 2.6.21 |
| 20:06.53 | pickcoder | sam1337: if your machine is from 2005 then you have full support on Etch |
| 20:07.05 | \amethyst | stew: and his optical drive worked with 2.6.21 and not 2.6.18 |
| 20:07.06 | stew | \amethyst: why do you think he should upgrade his kernel? |
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| 20:07.29 | sam1337 | stew it is this specific kernel which does not work for me |
| 20:07.35 | valdyn | stew: thats written above, he needs a newer kernel than 2.6.18, but not 2.6.21 ( counting just debian kernels ) |
| 20:07.44 | \amethyst | stew: since 2.6.22 fixes the nvidia problem, and 2.6.21 fixes the optical drive problem, it stands to reason that 2.6.22 fixes both of them |
| 20:07.53 | pickcoder | oh.. nv sata |
| 20:08.07 | stew | oh, i didn't know we had determined it was sata, since he said he didn't know |
| 20:08.13 | fredl_ | maybe 2.6.22 should just be put into lenny :P |
| 20:08.28 | stew | i just didn't want to send him to a sid kernel when a simple "modprobe sr_mod" or something would do |
| 20:08.40 | pickcoder | there have been continuous issues with nv sata |
| 20:08.58 | sam1337 | stew "modprobe sr_mod" did not work |
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| 20:09.43 | HardDisk_WP | hallo |
| 20:10.00 | fredl_ | hmm uhci and ehci are constantly in the top 3 of powertop |
| 20:10.09 | pickcoder | stew: I don't think that nv ide has been problematic |
| 20:10.15 | slushpupie | I just upgraded my xorg packages on Sid, and now the caps/num/scroll lock LEDs dont turn on (only in X, though). Any idea how to fix this? |
| 20:10.27 | stew | pickcoder: forget it. i didn't even know we knew that it was nvidia or sata or whatever |
| 20:10.39 | HardDisk_WP | [amsg] hallo |
| 20:10.49 | pickcoder | well nvidia video wouldn't affect the controller drivers.. <g> |
| 20:11.08 | czeroX | anyone knows where can i get some themes for gnome on internet? |
| 20:11.22 | pickcoder | sam1337: can you do a dmidecode and pastebin it |
| 20:11.27 | HardDisk_WP | oops, got faked. sorry! |
| 20:11.30 | infinity0 | czeroX: there's a package you can install that handles it, hang on |
| 20:11.31 | valdyn | czeroX: aptitude install gnome-art |
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| 20:11.55 | sam1337 | pickcoder ok just a minute |
| 20:12.26 | fredl_ | hmm my CPU only supports two frequencies it seems |
| 20:12.30 | fredl_ | that's kind of silly |
| 20:12.33 | infinity0 | czeroX: what valdyn said |
| 20:12.37 | czeroX | ok |
| 20:12.40 | sam1337 | pickcoder http://pastebin.com/m467e7a6b |
| 20:12.47 | czeroX | let me look for it |
| 20:12.54 | fredl_ | it only does 3.2GHz or 2.8GHz, what's the point? |
| 20:12.56 | czeroX | should i get that from debian web page? |
| 20:13.01 | valdyn | fredl_: you're free to buy a laptop cpu, that's just a little more expensive |
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| 20:13.18 | fredl_ | well grr |
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| 20:13.40 | valdyn | fredl_: power usage grows exponentialy with frequency, so its not that bad, probably |
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| 20:14.11 | fredl_ | well it runs 100% on 2.8 |
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| 20:15.58 | pickcoder | hm |
| 20:16.05 | pickcoder | looks like it has the 915P chipset |
| 20:17.03 | pickcoder | provided PB isn't lying about the board model in BIOS |
| 20:17.31 | pickcoder | sam1337: http://support.packardbell.com/cz/mypc/?PibItemNr=spec_Sunshine |
| 20:17.49 | abrotman | HAHAHA .. packard bell .. support .. HAHAHAH |
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| 20:17.55 | PSyKo | someone can help me with a pcmia cd drive? |
| 20:18.29 | JordiGH | Quick method to convert a bunch of .mpc music to Ogg Vorbis? oggenc doesn't do mpc. :-( |
| 20:18.29 | sam1337 | abrotman what is funny? |
| 20:19.01 | sam1337 | pickcoder do you think i should update my bios or something then? |
| 20:19.04 | abrotman | sam1337: if you were from the states, you'd know the awful reputation that PB has here |
| 20:19.22 | sam1337 | abrotman i am from the united kingdom |
| 20:19.25 | pickcoder | I have no idea.. there is no reason why the 915 would be problematic regarding drivers |
| 20:19.31 | abrotman | sam1337: i can see that |
| 20:19.40 | sam1337 | abrotman how? |
| 20:19.47 | abrotman | sam1337: /whois sam1337 |
| 20:20.13 | sam1337 | does tor support irc or irc support tor? |
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| 20:20.32 | pickcoder | here's a uk link: http://support.packardbell.co.uk/uk/item/index.php?i=spec_Sunshine&ppn=PB13212701 |
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| 20:22.32 | wols_ | tor supports irc and some networks (like freenoed) support tor too |
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| 20:22.58 | troubled | sam1337: so, btcentralplus.com is in the uk? |
| 20:23.11 | sam1337 | troubled bt=british telecom |
| 20:23.26 | stew | except we ban tor except for registered nicks that ask for an exception |
| 20:23.26 | pickcoder | wasn't there an issue with ich6 not too long ago? |
| 20:23.36 | sam1337 | pickcoder any recomendations of action for me? |
| 20:23.40 | troubled | sam1337: can you do me a huge favour please? reset your modem/inet and grab a new IP? |
| 20:23.54 | stew | troubled: why? |
| 20:23.55 | pickcoder | I think I remember reading about it and it was stated that it was broken from 2.6.18 through 2.6.21 |
| 20:24.00 | sam1337 | troubled why? |
| 20:24.28 | troubled | sam1337, stew: im checking something. I need to just confirm it. if you dont mind |
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| 20:24.31 | sam1337 | pickcoder so I really need the 2.6.22 kernel then? |
| 20:24.58 | sam1337 | troubled I dont even know how to do what you ask of me |
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| 20:25.30 | pickcoder | http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#ich5 |
| 20:25.30 | troubled | sam1337: just unplug your cable modem for a minute and plug it back in and come back on irc. |
| 20:25.51 | sam1337 | troubled I have a wireless card |
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| 20:26.19 | troubled | sam1337: how do you have your internet? wifi or cable modem? |
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| 20:26.58 | sam1337 | troubled my household connects to a shared router via wifi |
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| 20:27.36 | troubled | sam1337: is it too much to ask the household for a minute or two of downtime? if its too much, dont worry, ill ask another bt user |
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| 20:27.51 | sam1337 | troubled you mean disconnect my router? |
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| 20:28.23 | ExxKA | Hey guys, do I have to define a user name when using crontab ? :| |
| 20:28.43 | troubled | sam1337: its ok though. I actually have a few logs with ip's that i can use for what I need. thanks though. |
| 20:29.02 | \amethyst | ExxKA: depends on whether it's an /etc crontab or a user crontab |
| 20:29.16 | ExxKA | user crontab |
| 20:29.27 | \amethyst | ExxKA: then, no, you can't specify a user |
| 20:29.28 | ExxKA | I just don't understand why it doesn't execute.. |
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| 20:29.53 | \amethyst | ExxKA: what's the line you're using? |
| 20:29.54 | ExxKA | Does crontab need it's own Environment variables, or will it inherit them from the user? |
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| 20:30.00 | vlt | Hello. I want to install mplayer/mencoder on Sarge. `aptitude show mplayer` says "v mplayer -- State: not a real package". What does this mean? |
| 20:30.10 | pickcoder | sam1337: lsmod | grep ata_piix |
| 20:30.11 | ExxKA | 30 06 * * 1-5 (ruby ~/GAS-SMS-med-MySQL.rb && ruby ~/Sms-gateway_support.rb) >> ~/logs/GasLog_Morgen-$(date +%Y-%m-%d).txt 2>&1 |
| 20:30.18 | valdyn | vlt: it's not in sarge |
| 20:30.18 | mortal_ | vlt: get the source and compile yourself |
| 20:30.30 | sam1337 | pickcoder: ata_piix 13576 2 |
| 20:30.30 | sam1337 | libata 89396 1 ata_piix |
| 20:30.31 | valdyn | !debian-multimedia |
| 20:30.31 | dpkg | well, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 20:30.37 | valdyn | vlt: ^^^ |
| 20:30.37 | pickcoder | hm |
| 20:30.46 | vlt | valdyn: Thank you. |
| 20:30.51 | pickcoder | maybe it is the detection issue with ich6 |
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| 20:30.53 | valdyn | vlt: not sure they still have sarge packages,but look for yourself.. |
| 20:31.02 | ExxKA | \amethyst, does it make sense? |
| 20:31.07 | sam1337 | isn't that the same as the debian non-free repository? |
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| 20:31.21 | pickcoder | that link I pasted has a suggestion to use the force_pcs module parameter |
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| 20:31.32 | rellis | Are there any good Debian Etch books? |
| 20:31.32 | pickcoder | I have no clue which setting to try |
| 20:31.40 | stew | sam1337: no. debian-multimedia has software that would be potentially illegal for debian to distribute, even in non-free |
| 20:31.56 | \amethyst | ExxKA: does it work if you specify the path explicitly rather than using ~ ? |
| 20:31.57 | abrotman | !books |
| 20:31.57 | dpkg | books is probably http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 20:32.04 | enouf | !tell rellis -about reference |
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| 20:32.20 | ExxKA | \amethyst i never wondered about that.. |
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| 20:32.34 | ExxKA | I will check it out :D |
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| 20:32.46 | fiendskull9 | does priority=medium allow me to specifically choose packages to install? |
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| 20:33.03 | valdyn | fiendskull9: it has nothign to do with that |
| 20:33.10 | valdyn | fiendskull9: read the text again |
| 20:33.27 | \amethyst | ExxKA: SHELL, LOGNAME, HOME, and PATH are set by cron (man 5 crontab) |
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| 20:33.36 | rellis | Would the majority of Debian Sarge material be the same for Debian Etch? |
| 20:33.43 | valdyn | rellis: no |
| 20:33.44 | abrotman | some yes .. some no |
| 20:33.45 | JordiGH | rellis: No. |
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| 20:34.00 | rellis | meh.. doesnt look theres much good reading material for Etch in print |
| 20:34.05 | rellis | >< |
| 20:34.08 | abrotman | !reference |
| 20:34.08 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 20:34.26 | abrotman | and i'm sure kinkos would accept your payment :) |
| 20:34.35 | jason^ | is there a way to see what libraries where linked statically on a executable kinda like what ldd does for dynamic libs? |
| 20:34.37 | valdyn | rellis: uh, that. its quite similar |
| 20:34.40 | mattuk | only one i found is http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1593270690 |
| 20:34.45 | valdyn | rellis: the documentation . |
| 20:34.54 | JordiGH | DON'T BUY FROM KINKOS. Enemy of your labour union. |
| 20:34.58 | ExxKA | \amethyst, what about the rest of the env variables? |
| 20:35.05 | sam1337 | I really hope that i dont need to burn any dvds anytime soon |
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| 20:35.32 | abrotman | JordiGH: uhm ... we don't have a "Copy/Print Union" in the states |
| 20:35.41 | abrotman | that i know of anyways |
| 20:35.46 | enouf | jason^: don't know, readelf maybe |
| 20:35.47 | valdyn | jason^: sure not |
| 20:36.09 | valdyn | jason^: its statically linked, that means that its no longer discernible where stuff comes from |
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| 20:37.21 | wols_ | abrotman: ask your local mafia clan and they will found it for you |
| 20:37.22 | pickcoder | sam1337: did you read what I typed? |
| 20:37.23 | enouf | might as well mention objdump too, now that i recalled the name, not that either wil hep\ |
| 20:37.33 | sam1337 | Is it possible that one day Debian will be able to boot either a bsd kernel or a linux kernel from the same installation? |
| 20:37.49 | valdyn | sam1337: possible |
| 20:37.51 | xand | sigh |
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| 20:38.06 | sam1337 | pickcoder yes but I would rarther have the etch kernel instead of the sid kernel |
| 20:38.08 | wols_ | sam1337: there already is debian/bsd |
| 20:38.19 | xand | half the time when X loads on boot my monitor goes blank, and now it's turned off... stupid video card/driver |
| 20:38.21 | JordiGH | abrotman: You have a Kinkos labour union, though: http://www.scfl.org/uln5-2.htm |
| 20:38.25 | pickcoder | sam1337: that is for 2.6.18 and up |
| 20:38.31 | JordiGH | abrotman: Also, http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/dont-buy-from-ati |
| 20:38.37 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:38.52 | rellis | Thanks all for your sugestions on the books :) |
| 20:38.54 | sam1337 | pickcoder I am possitive that the lenny and sid kernels work with my dvd drive since i have tested them |
| 20:38.55 | pickcoder | force_pcs was not implemented until 2.6.18, which is the stable kernel for Etch |
| 20:39.02 | enouf | xand: 3d proprietary crap/poop/shit? |
| 20:39.15 | xand | it's a radeon, and i dont use 3d stuff |
| 20:39.17 | abrotman | JordiGH: 404 .. nice try though |
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| 20:39.28 | enouf | xand: beryl/compz wintendo weenie candy? |
| 20:39.46 | Hiryu | I love beryl |
| 20:39.47 | xand | no... just using "ati" driver, and nothing like that |
| 20:39.52 | xand | gdm, fluxbox |
| 20:40.10 | xand | could be a hardware problem with the card :S |
| 20:40.18 | xand | if I reboot I bet it'll be fine |
| 20:40.37 | xand | (can only reboot by logging in remotely... can't switch back to console) |
| 20:40.51 | sam1337 | I love how i can do a base installation of debian and easily select which packages i want and not install lots of stuff i dont want like with ubuntu :D |
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| 20:41.08 | wols_ | sam1337: yes |
| 20:41.12 | xand | maybe I'll upgrading to testing (new kernel) |
| 20:41.13 | pickcoder | sam1337: that module parameter helps with device detection and it was implemented in 2.6.18 |
| 20:41.29 | pickcoder | you may not have to upgrade |
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| 20:41.37 | CakerX | sup |
| 20:41.43 | xand | the sky |
| 20:41.48 | xand | also, I shall sup soon :D |
| 20:41.57 | CakerX | I re-start the apache server on deb |
| 20:42.00 | CakerX | its been a while |
| 20:42.16 | Hiryu | sam1337: I've seen ubuntu randomly break a lot too |
| 20:42.26 | sam1337 | pickcoder keep in mind that i am new to linux please |
| 20:42.28 | CakerX | *how do I |
| 20:42.32 | xand | I know I'm going to regret this... |
| 20:42.36 | sam1337 | Hiryu yes thats another reason why i switched to debian |
| 20:42.39 | Hiryu | CakerX: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 20:42.43 | pickcoder | sam1337: is your hard drive IDE? |
| 20:42.48 | CakerX | thanks |
| 20:42.52 | Hiryu | sam1337: initial install/setup is harder in debian, but etch doesn't break |
| 20:42.55 | mattuk | Hiryu, im doing a netinstall of debian stable tomorrow because I too am sik of Ubuntu |
| 20:43.00 | sam1337 | pickcoder Dont know sorry |
| 20:43.00 | xand | CakerX: /etc/init.d/apache{,2,-ssl} restart |
| 20:43.05 | pickcoder | sam1337: mount |
| 20:43.11 | pickcoder | you'll either see /dev/hda or /dev/sda |
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| 20:43.28 | Hiryu | mattuk: I'm not trying to start a holy war, but I think ubuntu is very overrated. I liked mandriva a lot better as a desktop distribution |
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| 20:43.33 | sam1337 | Hiryu i found installation/setup easy but have one tiny problem with my dvd drive |
| 20:43.44 | CakerX | distro wars suck |
| 20:43.49 | valdyn | sam1337: sid kernels aren't evil |
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| 20:44.04 | CakerX | its so 1996 |
| 20:44.08 | mattuk | Hiryu, I know, there is no point arguing over distros because the right distro for you may not be the right distro for somebody else |
| 20:44.15 | Hiryu | sam1337: well, it doesn't come with a graphical package manager and you have to add yourself to netdev to get wireless working with your laptop, etc |
| 20:44.18 | valdyn | sam1337: they're not bad at all, they're not suitable for production servers, but that's not what you need |
| 20:44.20 | sam1337 | pickercode sda1 |
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| 20:44.26 | kupesoft | Where can I find info about the xfce iso? |
| 20:44.32 | pickcoder | sam1337: then more than likely you have SATA drives |
| 20:44.37 | Hiryu | mattuk: that's more or less true :) |
| 20:44.53 | CakerX | sam: open the case of your machine (don't disconnect anything) |
| 20:44.56 | sam1337 | valdyn Could you help me find the 686 sid kernel please? i cant seem to find it |
| 20:45.03 | CakerX | what does the cabel to your HD look like? |
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| 20:45.17 | CakerX | big cable == ATA |
| 20:45.21 | CakerX | small cable == SATA |
| 20:45.33 | Hiryu | mattuk: I see a trend with desktop distributions where the QA sucks so you get a lot of instability |
| 20:45.45 | valdyn | sam1337: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 |
| 20:45.48 | wols_ | CakerX: and now explain rounded IDE cables :P |
| 20:45.52 | stew | Hiryu: please go to ##linux if you want to compare various distros |
| 20:46.04 | CakerX | lol |
| 20:46.10 | Hiryu | stew: I'm not comparing distributions, I'm just stating a general trend I'm seeing |
| 20:46.15 | sam1337 | CakerX sort of looks like 2 small cables |
| 20:46.18 | stew | Hiryu: please keep it on-topic |
| 20:46.21 | Hiryu | stew: my point being that etch is stable |
| 20:46.22 | CakerX | then its probably sata |
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| 20:46.34 | vlt | Does anyone know a tool available in Debian (Sarge) that does the same as `mencoder divx.avi -o part.avi -ss 10 -endpos 60 -ovc copy -oac copy`? |
| 20:46.41 | wols_ | CakerX: hint, with sata, the connect is small. with ata quite big |
| 20:46.46 | Hiryu | stew: don't worry, I've been coming to #debian since 1999 :) |
| 20:46.47 | sam1337 | valdyn thanks for that |
| 20:46.59 | wols_ | vlt: why don't you use mencoder? |
| 20:47.01 | rypt_ | whats wrong with using mencoder? |
| 20:47.06 | CakerX | wols_: I know |
| 20:47.14 | pickcoder | sam1337: you can try a backported kernel or you can try setting force_pcs to 1 or 2 to see if it helps |
| 20:47.29 | rypt_ | command line vlc can do the same, but its more of a pain |
| 20:47.36 | vlt | wols_: Can't find it in Sarge :/ |
| 20:47.49 | CakerX | anyways, wtf is error code 12263 |
| 20:47.50 | rypt_ | its part of mplayer package .. |
| 20:48.01 | CakerX | trying to view an apache server |
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| 20:48.06 | vlt | rypt_: ... which I can't find in Sarge |
| 20:48.07 | CakerX | on firefox in windows |
| 20:48.27 | rypt | vlt, mplayer should damn well be in the repos |
| 20:48.27 | wols_ | vlt: upgrade to stable.go to http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 20:48.32 | enouf | !non-free |
| 20:48.32 | dpkg | i heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the DFSG. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 20:48.37 | wols_ | rypt: in sarge? |
| 20:48.39 | sam1337 | pickcoder i cannot find a backported sid kernel |
| 20:48.49 | rypt | what enouf said ;p |
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| 20:48.52 | sam1337 | pickcoder this will do? http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 |
| 20:48.55 | stew | mplayer is not non-free |
| 20:48.59 | wols_ | sam1337: no |
| 20:49.01 | pickcoder | echo "options ata_piix force_pcs=2" > /etc/modprobe.d/local |
| 20:49.22 | enouf | vlt: /join #mplayer and grab the svn |
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| 20:49.33 | xand | CakerX: dont know, have y0ou checked the log? |
| 20:49.35 | xand | -0 |
| 20:49.40 | pickcoder | I would probably get a live CD ready in case that switch causes problems with your / drive |
| 20:49.48 | kupesoft | Where is the debian-40r1-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso documented? |
| 20:49.51 | stew | rypt: he's asking about mencoder, not mplayer |
| 20:49.59 | sam1337 | pickcoder not sure if i want to do that... |
| 20:50.06 | rypt | stew mencoder is same as mplayer, its one package afaik |
| 20:50.08 | pickcoder | if it boots and the DVD still doesn't work then change 2 to 1 and reboot |
| 20:50.11 | enouf | !tell kupesoft about 40r1 |
| 20:50.15 | stew | rypt: no, its not |
| 20:50.17 | Hiryu | if the next debian stable can simplify the install a bit and have a quicker release cycle (like maybe 12-18 months), I think debian would make a great desktop contender |
| 20:50.26 | rypt | hmm |
| 20:50.28 | xand | mencoder comes with mplayer, yes |
| 20:50.30 | kupesoft | enouf: Specific the xfce iso, |
| 20:50.32 | enouf | !tell kupesoft about 4.0r1 |
| 20:50.32 | stew | xand: no, it doesn't |
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| 20:50.34 | xand | does |
| 20:50.39 | sam1337 | Hiryu the installation couldnt be simpler |
| 20:50.40 | rypt | i dont even run debian anymore atm lol |
| 20:50.40 | stew | xand: http://packages.debian.org/etch/mplayer/i386/filelist |
| 20:50.40 | Ronin | Hiryu: simpllify the install? its pretty darn simple now i though |
| 20:50.44 | rypt | and id ont use mencoder ;p |
| 20:50.46 | mattuk | Hiyru, the install is simple enough |
| 20:50.48 | rypt | but meh |
| 20:50.56 | edistar_ | isn't there mencoder? |
| 20:50.59 | xand | maybe it got removed then or something :P |
| 20:51.01 | edistar_ | for debian? |
| 20:51.02 | stew | edistar_: not in debian |
| 20:51.04 | Hiryu | ronin: installgui tasks="kde-desktop, standard" |
| 20:51.10 | stew | xand: no, it didnt' get removed |
| 20:51.12 | kupesoft | enouf: Specifically the xfce iso, |
| 20:51.13 | wols_ | Hiryu: anything simpler and it's like the ubuntu installer. and we don't want that |
| 20:51.17 | Hiryu | ronin: that's how I get a gui in the install and kde |
| 20:51.23 | xand | fine |
| 20:51.31 | enouf | kupesoft: i don;t know - d/l the iso and read the docs |
| 20:51.42 | Ronin | Hiryu: you mean you dont like the default wm it installs, which i thought was gnome actually |
| 20:51.45 | rypt | arch linux installer ftw ;p |
| 20:51.50 | pickcoder | sam1337: it's not a data killing switch.. if device detection goofs up you can remove the /etc/modules.d/local file using a live CD and reboot the thing |
| 20:51.52 | xand | gnome isn't a wm |
| 20:51.58 | Ronin | xand: whatever :) |
| 20:52.01 | rypt | gnome is a DE |
| 20:52.02 | Hiryu | ronin: nope, most people I know hate gnome |
| 20:52.08 | pickcoder | worst case scenario.. you're where you are now |
| 20:52.10 | Ronin | you all know what i meant |
| 20:52.14 | Hiryu | ronin: my point is not to start a holy war |
| 20:52.21 | pickcoder | best case scenaro.. it will detect your DVD drive |
| 20:52.23 | pickcoder | brb |
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| 20:52.28 | Hiryu | ronin: but choosing kde over gnome, which is what some people want, is not easier for a newb |
| 20:52.38 | rypt | i love kde, except the fact that its all C++ and I prefer C for my own things |
| 20:52.44 | sam1337 | pickcoder all i have is a kubuntu 7.10 live cd and im not sure it will let me remove that file |
| 20:52.47 | rypt | meaning i dont use kde / qt libs :( |
| 20:52.52 | Hiryu | heh, I think the biggest problem with Qt is that it's C++ |
| 20:52.55 | Ronin | Hiryu: when did the default switch to kde anyhow? |
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| 20:53.00 | Hiryu | but it couldn't be done in C anyway |
| 20:53.09 | sam1337 | pickcoder so if it messes up all i have to do is delete that file and boot debian? |
| 20:53.10 | rypt | it could |
| 20:53.18 | CakerX | alright, some more apache questions |
| 20:53.25 | Hiryu | Ronin: it hasn't, it's gnome, I was illustrating that it's not easy for a newb to choose kde |
| 20:53.27 | rypt | there is no reason why qt cant be c, other than the face that originally c++ was selected |
| 20:53.34 | sam1337 | pickcoder i have an lvm setup |
| 20:53.35 | CakerX | whats the diffence between sites-available and sites-enabled |
| 20:53.38 | CakerX | in /etc/apache2 |
| 20:53.43 | Ronin | Hiryu: sure it is just install it |
| 20:53.51 | Hiryu | rypt: well, it COULD be, but oop is not fun in C |
| 20:53.54 | rypt | netinstall ftw ;p |
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| 20:54.03 | rypt | gobject aint TOO bad ;p |
| 20:54.03 | Ronin | Hiryu: they had to pick a default of some sort and it was a loose loose deal i bet |
| 20:54.06 | sine | ok how can i check some sort of error log an app opens then closes |
| 20:54.10 | sine | is there a system one |
| 20:54.10 | CakerX | and someone explain the whole sub dir mapping for diffrent users |
| 20:54.20 | rypt | but i agree, oop aint fun in C, but it sure as hell beats C++ as a language |
| 20:54.24 | sam1337 | netinstall ftw! |
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| 20:54.29 | rypt | i'm prepared to sacrifice oop in order to use C ;p |
| 20:54.33 | stew | Hiryu: uhh, its extremely easy for someone new to choose kde instead of gnome |
| 20:54.35 | Hiryu | ronin: my point is that having type in special boot options to select KDE is impractical for most users |
| 20:54.47 | stew | Hiryu: debian provides kde and xfce install cds |
| 20:54.51 | Hiryu | stew: there's a way besides "install tasks="kde-desktop, standard"? |
| 20:54.52 | rypt | you nerver know, C2.01k might be OOP :P |
| 20:54.59 | stew | Hiryu: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-40r1-i386-kde-CD-1.jigdo |
| 20:55.12 | rypt | *never |
| 20:55.22 | Hiryu | stew: right so you're saying now that clueless people have to figure out which images to download? |
| 20:55.38 | stew | Hiryu: yes |
| 20:55.41 | Hiryu | stew: I'm saying the DVD's should have a radio button option or something |
| 20:55.47 | enouf | right, clueless people deserve wintendos |
| 20:55.50 | Ronin | Hiryu: well if they cant even read they have more serious problems :) |
| 20:56.03 | rypt | i'm gonna have to buy a 2nd laptop just to run wintendo :( |
| 20:56.05 | wols_ | Hiryu: they can do it with ubuntu, and I doubt you can find on average dumber linux users than ubuntu. |
| 20:56.05 | Hiryu | ronin: most people don't even know how to defrag or that it even exists |
| 20:56.07 | rypt | not fair ;x |
| 20:56.12 | CakerX | this is the exact reasons everyone kinda goes "oh fucking neckbearded linux nerds" |
| 20:56.15 | stew | Hiryu: please work up a patch |
| 20:56.22 | rypt | i'm gonna need wintendo for gay CAD for uni :( |
| 20:56.43 | stew | rypt: don't use the term "gay" as a derrogatory adjective in here. its offensive to some |
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| 20:57.03 | Hiryu | stew: you're missing the point, I was merely stating it would be nice if it was there, I wasn't demanding anything, merely explaining my point |
| 20:57.03 | sam1337 | Most people now a days get ict education from school btw. |
| 20:57.04 | rypt | the term gay has nothing to do with homosexual kthnx stew |
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| 20:57.09 | rypt | the term gay used to mean happy |
| 20:57.14 | stew | rypt: don't use it |
| 20:57.23 | simonrvn | gay and non-gay alike. still does moron |
| 20:57.23 | stew | rypt: it offends people |
| 20:57.24 | peterS | rypt: and you aren't using it in that sense either, so don't even try to excuse it |
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| 20:57.41 | peterS | rypt: if you mean happy, say happy |
| 20:57.46 | sam1337 | if you want to be homophobic join #homochannel |
| 20:57.53 | rypt | the homosexuals simply adopted it, because they wanted to be seen as happy, so if i use the term gay, which in reality means happy, its thier own fault that they associate with it ;p |
| 20:58.06 | jelly-home | rypt: gay. |
| 20:58.15 | peterS | rypt: if you intend to mean happy, say happy. then nobody will misunderstand you. |
| 20:58.22 | simonrvn | rypt: did you ask them why? |
| 20:58.34 | sam1337 | this channel has gone way offtopic |
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| 20:58.39 | rypt | simonrvn dont care ;p |
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| 20:58.57 | simonrvn | obviously |
| 20:59.00 | troubled | simonrvn! |
| 20:59.11 | enouf | so whom to blame the worlds misunderstandings upon .. hrm, inni, miini , meini , moe |
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| 20:59.26 | simonrvn | troubled! |
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| 20:59.33 | SlimG2 | Is it possible to list all current user-sessions in use? if yes: how? |
| 20:59.40 | wols_ | !blame enouf |
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| 20:59.42 | simonrvn | w |
| 20:59.46 | \amethyst | SlimG2: w or who |
| 20:59.49 | GNU\colossus | SlimG: `w` |
| 20:59.49 | enouf | !smack me |
| 21:00.28 | sam1337 | !slap me |
| 21:00.39 | stew | enough |
| 21:00.47 | CakerX | !slap me |
| 21:00.50 | CakerX | nice |
| 21:00.57 | SlimG2 | Thanks \amethyst and GNU\colossus ! |
| 21:00.59 | gustavo | regarding chroot, when i have to add a module to the service, where do i install it? /chroot/service/usr/local/service or /usr/local/service ? |
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| 21:01.02 | simonrvn | stew: dude, like this: ENOUGH! ;) |
| 21:01.08 | maker | hello! Do you know how can i share an audio cd with SAMBA? I can't mount it (no file system), so it's not possible to share an audio cd with other computers? |
| 21:01.23 | xand | maker: you cant |
| 21:01.25 | peterS | CakerX: we said, enough |
| 21:01.31 | CakerX | sorry |
| 21:01.35 | xand | not that way anyway |
| 21:01.37 | wols_ | stew: * stew sets #debian to mode +m |
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| 21:01.41 | maker | xand : ok, tjhat's a pity |
| 21:01.45 | CakerX | whats the command to make a link again |
| 21:01.50 | peterS | ln |
| 21:01.58 | sine | how do i check my system error log |
| 21:02.00 | CakerX | k |
| 21:02.04 | sine | whats the file called ill locate it |
| 21:02.08 | simonrvn | with a pager |
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| 21:02.16 | peterS | sine: various files in /var/log/ |
| 21:02.20 | sine | ta |
| 21:02.31 | sine | ./war/ is various i assum |
| 21:02.34 | sine | +e |
| 21:02.53 | dkr | maker: you could use something like icecast to broadcast the audo across your lan. hrm, no, that woul dinvolve encoding it to .mp3 first |
| 21:02.56 | sine | var even got damn these non ergonamic flat laptop keyb are hard to use |
| 21:03.00 | peterS | /var holds files which are system-controlled, but will be read/write over the normal course of software running |
| 21:03.16 | peterS | as opposed to the regular system files that are installed but then never change, most of thsoe live in /usr |
| 21:03.46 | dkr | peterS: except for /usr/var :p |
| 21:04.00 | namit | i have world writable file just wondering if you can find out last person who wrote to text file? |
| 21:04.03 | peterS | dkr: you have a /usr/var? I wonder where you got it |
| 21:04.11 | troubled | namit: no |
| 21:04.17 | dkr | peterS: in the joke factory in my head. :D |
| 21:04.26 | namit | troubled: any way to setup that? |
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| 21:05.05 | troubled | namit: first placeto check out be the software that you used to write to it. failing that, something ike grsec or selinux can audit anything |
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| 21:05.05 | dawk | how do i autoremove? |
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| 21:05.37 | sine | how can i view a file without loading it intoa viewer like nano or somthing just want it pasted to the terminal screen cat ? |
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| 21:05.55 | wols_ | stew: a pager. like "less" |
| 21:05.56 | troubled | sine: less <filename> |
| 21:06.03 | wols_ | doh. sine ^^ |
| 21:06.06 | sine | what |
| 21:06.07 | sine | :x |
| 21:06.10 | JordiGH | Is there a dog? |
| 21:06.11 | sine | what does cat do |
| 21:06.13 | dkr | or cat file |
| 21:06.14 | peterS | JordiGH: yes |
| 21:06.16 | sine | im a newb gimme break heh |
| 21:06.22 | JordiGH | !info dog |
| 21:06.24 | dpkg | dog: (Enhanced replacement for cat), section text, is optional. Version: 1.7-8 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 21:06.30 | JordiGH | Enhanced?! |
| 21:06.31 | dawk | !info autoremove |
| 21:06.38 | JordiGH | Cats rule, dogs drool. |
| 21:06.47 | peterS | well, the last half of that is true |
| 21:06.49 | dkr | sine: cat sends it to screen directly, less lets you see the text a page at a time |
| 21:06.53 | simonrvn | !break sine |
| 21:06.58 | martalli | Dogs were the first domesticated animal |
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| 21:07.10 | dkr | dawk: you might need to clarify what you mean by autoremove |
| 21:07.14 | sine | why would i want to do that |
| 21:07.15 | jelly-home | maker: there's cdfs-src which creates mountables out of tracks on cd, but I have no idea how good it works. |
| 21:07.20 | troubled | martalli: cats in egypt? |
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| 21:07.31 | dawk | dkr: apt-get autoremove like ubuntu. i'm clumsy on aptitude. |
| 21:07.32 | dkr | sine: if the file is really big you want to onyl see a screenful at a time |
| 21:07.41 | jayk- | i am missing /etc/init.d/postgresql..is there a way i can get it back? |
| 21:07.45 | martalli | Dogs supposedly were domesticated in siberia something like 20-30k years ago |
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| 21:07.58 | sine | yea ok cool the bit i want to see is at the end so cat will whizz it all past me hopefully and i can see the end of the big log |
| 21:07.59 | py_ | hello |
| 21:08.04 | simonrvn | "domesticated" |
| 21:08.08 | sine | oh upgrade for dog which is dis |
| 21:08.09 | sine | sid |
| 21:08.13 | peterS | sine: 'tail' might be simpler then. it only shows the last 10 lines |
| 21:08.17 | dkr | sine: actually you can use "tail" to just see the end |
| 21:08.21 | jayk- | i tried uninstalling and reinstalling postgresql-8.1 and dpkg-reconfigure but had no luck getting back /etc/init.d/postgresql |
| 21:08.22 | sine | jesus are you kidding |
| 21:08.33 | sine | this new world just gets better and better |
| 21:08.38 | simonrvn | jayk-: ls -l /etc/init.d/postgresql* ; named changed |
| 21:08.44 | peterS | or if you want the last 12 lines, you know, just 'tail -n12' |
| 21:08.56 | jayk- | simonrvn: no file |
| 21:08.59 | sine | omg how good is it tell it what you want and you get it most of hte time |
| 21:09.02 | py_ | I've noticed there always is a process named [watchdog/0] on my box. What is it and what does it actually do? |
| 21:09.06 | sine | how do you do that in windows then |
| 21:09.12 | sine | jokes |
| 21:09.17 | simonrvn | you don't? ;) |
| 21:09.20 | sine | heh |
| 21:09.22 | dawk | dkr: any suggestions? |
| 21:09.30 | jayk- | simon can you dcc it to me? :) |
| 21:09.41 | troubled | simonrvn: cygwin :) |
| 21:09.44 | simonrvn | no |
| 21:09.48 | simonrvn | jayk-: no |
| 21:09.50 | jayk- | lol |
| 21:09.53 | dkr | dawk: not from me, I don't use ubuntu so your attempt at description of the feature failed for me at least. :) |
| 21:09.53 | jayk- | how do i get it back? |
| 21:10.00 | simonrvn | !tell jayk- -about confmiss |
| 21:10.09 | vlt | maker: You could try to use nbd-server to share the audio cd ... |
| 21:10.11 | jayk- | oic |
| 21:10.46 | simonrvn | py_: software watchdog ; kernel module |
| 21:10.58 | gkiagia | py_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchdog_timer |
| 21:11.00 | simonrvn | py_: it's a kernel thread |
| 21:11.04 | sine | how can i make bash black bg and white text |
| 21:11.17 | sine | hold on ill join bash for that |
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| 21:11.45 | troubled | sine: usually done via your terminal settings. like xterm |
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| 21:11.54 | themill | sine: that's a property of your terminal program (konsole, xterm, gnome-terminal etc) |
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| 21:12.19 | jayk- | thax |
| 21:12.25 | mirak | I have a .Wav file with glitches, and conversion to flac fails. Do you have any idea how to repair it |
| 21:12.29 | sine | ok well using xterm how do you copy and paste |
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| 21:12.50 | sine | that function is currently bugged in aterm and it annoys me i can copy and paste in terminal other than bash |
| 21:12.51 | dkr | sine: highlight text to copy, middle-click to paste |
| 21:12.52 | py_ | simonrvn, gkiagia : thx. I know what's a watchdog, juste wondered about that process as my box hasn't a hw watchdog. Now I see the point with that soft watchdog thing. |
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| 21:13.09 | sine | middle click ? |
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| 21:13.16 | themill | middle mouse button |
| 21:13.23 | wols_ | xand: press your mousewheel |
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| 21:14.06 | sine | that just pastes |
| 21:14.11 | sine | well it copys and pastes |
| 21:14.17 | sine | in one go :X |
| 21:14.20 | dkr | isn't that what you asked for? :) |
| 21:14.23 | xand | wols_: why? |
| 21:14.27 | SlimG2 | Is it be possible for either w, who or users to return nothing? shouldn't it allways report atleast on session (the one it's running from itself) ? |
| 21:14.34 | dkr | the act of highlighting the text copies it, no need to do something else, wastes time, :) |
| 21:14.40 | sine | no i want to copy text |
| 21:14.45 | sine | rofl well done |
| 21:14.48 | abrotman | SlimG2: it is possible |
| 21:14.56 | sine | classic dkr :d |
| 21:15.04 | JordiGH | SlimG: If "who" is run by a not logged in user. |
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| 21:15.21 | JordiGH | SlimG: e.g. root in a script. |
| 21:15.25 | themill | SlimG2: it only reports "login" sessions, you can run a terminal without it being a login session. (or from a cron job, for example) |
| 21:15.35 | jelly-home | or a user who didn't bother to register a tty |
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| 21:16.21 | maker | jelly-home, thanks, i have installed cdfs-src. Now i just have to find how to use it ;) |
| 21:16.21 | JordiGH | I like trick questions. Ask us another! |
| 21:16.26 | SlimG2 | thanks abrotman and themill, my Linux knowlege just popped up a notch :) |
| 21:16.39 | dkr | Bam! |
| 21:17.16 | sine | dmesg is this the modules list that loads at boot ? |
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| 21:17.42 | JordiGH | dmesg isn't just modules loading. |
| 21:17.43 | wols_ | sine: no. man dmesg |
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| 21:18.13 | sine | heh i wll learn at some point, keep up the harshness |
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| 21:18.32 | ks | how do I know if mke2fs was already run to build a device? |
| 21:18.32 | ixion | can anyone tell me how to stop it from opening a window for every directory I click on ?? |
| 21:18.39 | ixion | by it I mean debian/gnome |
| 21:18.46 | jelly-home | maker: use module-assistant to build and install it |
| 21:18.49 | JordiGH | sine: I think /lib/modules/$KERNEL_VERSION/ is where modules are read from. |
| 21:19.05 | JordiGH | ixion: There's a config option somewhere in the configs. It's not hard to find. |
| 21:19.34 | ixion | yeah its edit - preferences |
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| 21:19.41 | ixion | but I dont see such an option |
| 21:19.46 | sine | this notepad i got for linux is getting fuller by the day |
| 21:19.50 | jelly-home | ks: well... you could try mounting or fscking it? |
| 21:19.51 | ks | does mke2fs creates a record somewhere ? |
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| 21:20.26 | ixion | ah wait... JordiGH if I set it to browser window then it solves my problem |
| 21:20.30 | jelly-home | ks: or a simple dumpe2fs to see if there's reasonable metadata |
| 21:20.36 | ks | jelly-home i'm writing bash script that needs to verify if mke2fs was run before |
| 21:21.05 | JordiGH | ixion: Good. I was digging around too. |
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| 21:21.18 | JordiGH | ixion: I think this will also open e.g. pdfs in the same windows, though. |
| 21:21.26 | dkr | ks: you can read the last check time fom dumpe2fs |
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| 21:21.39 | ks | jelly-home maybe dh -h | grep /fuse/ed0 ? |
| 21:21.40 | ixion | I can live with that |
| 21:22.30 | JordiGH | ixion: Hm, it opened a different app for the pdf. So maybe that is the solution you sought. |
| 21:23.09 | maker | jelly-home, ok, built and installed. Now do you know how to use it ? I didn't find a manpage for cdfs |
| 21:23.59 | ks | oops df -h |
| 21:25.12 | jelly-home | maker: I have no idea... but if it's a filesystem, probably something on the lines of mount -t cdfs ... ;-) |
| 21:25.56 | jelly-home | ks: df won't show an umounted but mkfsed filesystem |
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| 21:26.21 | jelly-home | ks: (and I don't understand the /fuse/ed0 part) |
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| 21:27.17 | sam1337 | can anybody run "cd / && sudo rm -Rf" for me and tell me what happens? |
| 21:27.49 | Eulex | sam1337, *hrmph* |
| 21:28.01 | jelly-home | sam1337: pissoff |
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| 21:28.04 | troubled | sam1337: wtf are you saying that for? |
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| 21:28.13 | stew | don't listen to sam1337 |
| 21:28.27 | Eulex | stew, that was quick |
| 21:28.31 | jelly-home | good thing sudo isn't available by default |
| 21:28.38 | maker | jelly-home, yeah! it works!!! and i can see and copy .wav files!! THANKS |
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| 21:28.49 | streuner | stew: that deserves NOT only |
| 21:28.50 | troubled | stew: how did I not see that one coming... |
| 21:28.55 | streuner | stew: that deserves NOT only +q ... |
| 21:28.57 | CakerX | sam why don't you stick a magnet to your screen and get back to us |
| 21:29.01 | jelly-home | maker: I'm mildly impressed, it wouldn't even build here. ;-) |
| 21:29.05 | Eulex | jelly-home, I bet he's running ubuntu |
| 21:29.09 | CakerX | or go clean the dirt out of your computer with a garden hose |
| 21:29.24 | JordiGH | CakerX: A magnet on your monitor is harmless. |
| 21:29.27 | Hiryu | that command doesn't seem to be doing anything for me |
| 21:29.34 | Hiryu | (connect reset by peer) |
| 21:29.36 | JordiGH | CakerX: unless you have a REALLY old monitor. |
| 21:30.00 | CakerX | last time I did it was in 3rd grade |
| 21:30.17 | JordiGH | CakerX: And what grade are you in now? |
| 21:30.24 | CakerX | I'm in college |
| 21:30.27 | jelly-home | JordiGH: some of us have CRT TVs! |
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| 21:30.41 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Don't those TVs know how to degauss themselves? |
| 21:30.47 | CakerX | 3rd grade is 1990 |
| 21:31.01 | ks | jelly-home right justrealized it |
| 21:31.04 | Eulex | Hiryu, umh, if you're talking about sam1337's command, it will wipe your linux partitions if you have sudo installed and configured. |
| 21:31.11 | Hiryu | Eulex: I was kidding |
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| 21:31.25 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I recently degaussed a monitor for one of the "computer technicians" here at school, and she was thoroughly impressed. She thought it was broken beyond repair, and asked me about this mysterious "Linux" thing I do. |
| 21:31.38 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I had to reverse the speaker setup after a couple of days to make it push the matrix back to where it belongs ;-) |
| 21:31.41 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Best evangelising I've ever done. :-) |
| 21:31.50 | ks | dkr what last check time gives me ? |
| 21:31.54 | Hiryu | I did rm -rf / on an install I was going to wipe out once... it wasn't really impressive, I was disapointed |
| 21:32.04 | JordiGH | jelly-home: And you turned on the speakers at full blast? :-) |
| 21:32.14 | dkr | ks: it tells you when fsck last ran. I misunderstood your question |
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| 21:32.26 | riz | Hi. Does someone use dovecot ? If yes, when type /etc/init.d/dovecot start it writes on video "Starting dovecot.." ? Mine no.... |
| 21:32.41 | jelly-home | JordiGH: that wouldn't make the perm. magnets any stronger... amybe I should have! |
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| 21:32.45 | dkr | riz: check log |
| 21:32.51 | Hiryu | I put a magnet to my monitor |
| 21:32.54 | rowlandchane | hi people |
| 21:32.57 | Hiryu | all I had to do was degaus it |
| 21:33.11 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I've seen monitors waver when you put speakers next to them. Louder speakers seem to indicate wavier monitors. |
| 21:33.14 | riz | dkr it starts, but it's strange that can't write anything |
| 21:33.28 | jelly-home | too bad crappy tv sets don't have degaussing |
| 21:33.34 | Hiryu | JordiGH: I had a waving screen for a while once... thought it was going out, turns out my subwoofer was just too close to it |
| 21:33.54 | JordiGH | Isn't physics fun, kids? |
| 21:34.12 | Hiryu | JordiGH: physics yes, taking physics classes, no |
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| 21:34.29 | CakerX | ok |
| 21:34.37 | CakerX | I get this error when reloading apache |
| 21:34.39 | CakerX | [Mon Aug 07 15:19:45 2000] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts |
| 21:34.42 | ks | dkr, jelly-home well what i need is run mke2fs -b 4096 /fuse2/ed0 only once |
| 21:35.02 | Hiryu | CakerX: sounds like you don't have any virtual hosts |
| 21:35.14 | CakerX | funny |
| 21:35.24 | CakerX | or how do I set the public_html dir |
| 21:35.28 | Hiryu | CakerX: oddly enough I wasn't trying to be |
| 21:35.37 | CakerX | I don't want vhosts |
| 21:35.40 | jelly-home | ks: well, you can check dumpe2fs -h /your/device afterwards and see if it is reasonable |
| 21:35.46 | CakerX | I need to remap sub dirs |
| 21:35.47 | Hiryu | CakerX: well, debian at least wants the default vhost |
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| 21:36.06 | CakerX | I justed cp default |
| 21:36.16 | Hiryu | CakerX: create a public_html in your home dir and you should be able to access it via http://yourhost/~username |
| 21:36.31 | CakerX | yeah |
| 21:36.37 | CakerX | but for some reason that doesn't work |
| 21:36.50 | sine | basically i want to control everything that loads or boots during startup. some things are conflicting or whatever and giving me error messages. also i want to be able to have the terminal login screen and start x manually etc |
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| 21:37.00 | stew | CakerX: you have to "a2enmod userdir" for ~user/public_html to work |
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| 21:37.14 | Hiryu | stew: oh it's not enabled by default anymore? |
| 21:37.38 | stew | Hiryu: its not enabled by default now. i don't know if it ever was |
| 21:38.00 | CakerX | ok |
| 21:38.01 | CakerX | got it |
| 21:38.04 | CakerX | thanks a million |
| 21:38.13 | Hiryu | stew: oh it was... |
| 21:38.13 | CakerX | don't go anywhere |
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| 21:39.15 | Hiryu | stew: I've been admining debian for 7 years now, I guess my apache1/2 configs are so old I never found out it's not on by default till just now :) |
| 21:39.22 | CakerX | whats the easiest way to manage sql on a linux server from a windoze box? |
| 21:39.40 | Hiryu | mysql? |
| 21:39.43 | JordiGH | CakerX: ssh_ |
| 21:39.44 | JordiGH | ? |
| 21:39.49 | Hiryu | JordiGH: that's what I use |
| 21:40.06 | ks | jelly-home is it in e2fslibs ? |
| 21:40.14 | jelly-home | e2fsprogs |
| 21:40.40 | ks | hm apt-cache didn't find dumpe2fs |
| 21:41.10 | stew | CakerX: what do you mean by "sql"? |
| 21:41.24 | CakerX | I am going to be running a webforms |
| 21:41.25 | jelly-home | ks: that's because apt-cache can't find files, /msg dpkg search |
| 21:41.29 | CakerX | for a clan |
| 21:41.31 | CakerX | with killboards |
| 21:41.40 | CakerX | and I need sql databases |
| 21:41.40 | ks | ok thanks |
| 21:41.49 | Hiryu | CakerX: so you're using mysql I take it |
| 21:41.53 | CakerX | yeah |
| 21:41.56 | CakerX | nothing special |
| 21:42.01 | CakerX | at this point |
| 21:42.11 | Hiryu | mysql is pretty good, just not for everythign |
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| 21:42.14 | stew | CakerX: please don't use the enter key in place of punctuation |
| 21:42.24 | jelly-home | or just /msg dpkg find bin/dumpe2fs |
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| 21:42.41 | ks | jelly-home dumpe2fs: No such file or directory while trying to open /fuse2/ed0 |
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| 21:43.03 | CakerX | I used sql before when I paid for hosting, the host services auto-installed forms |
| 21:43.07 | jelly-home | ks: is that a valid block device? |
| 21:43.08 | stew | CakerX: if you are already familiar with mysql, just using mysql and mysqladmin from the command line is easiest. if not 'phpmyadmin' is probably the easiest way, however phpmyadmin creates large security issues |
| 21:43.23 | Hiryu | CakerX: I'd agree with stew |
| 21:43.32 | ks | jelly-home nope |
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| 21:43.39 | Hiryu | CakerX: to setup a simple forum should be a non-issue, it will probably give you the commands to enter |
| 21:43.44 | ks | jelly-home this is what i've got |
| 21:43.46 | CakerX | is sql hard to learn comand line |
| 21:43.46 | ks | Proceed anyway? (y,n) n |
| 21:43.58 | ks | _ /fuse2/ed0 is not a block special device. |
| 21:44.02 | CakerX | and does phpmyadmin come with a .deb |
| 21:44.04 | jelly-home | ks: I have no idea, maybe your device is funky. However dumpe2fs ought to work with block devices or files regardless |
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| 21:44.23 | Hiryu | CakerX: the forum software will probably give the commands that you need, after you do a few things at the cli, you shouldn't have to touch it again |
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| 21:44.37 | pickcoder | CakerX: just download the admin tools for windoze |
| 21:44.44 | Hiryu | CakerX: yes, it's there |
| 21:44.56 | simmerz | I have a machine that I have plugged into one of my monitors on its second input. When I turn my main computer on, it sends a signal to the primary input of the same monitor. however, it doesn't switch to it, because the first machine never stops sending a signal, even when it is in sleep mode. How can I force it into sleep mode so it doesn't send anything to the monitor? |
| 21:45.04 | freezer | hi |
| 21:45.05 | simmerz | it's not running X. just console |
| 21:45.18 | jelly-home | ks: why didn't you proceed? |
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| 21:45.53 | ks | jelly-home i did |
| 21:46.20 | jelly-home | ks: well, that paste sure looks like you didn't ;-) |
| 21:46.32 | ks | i did |
| 21:46.40 | ks | i can paste output |
| 21:46.44 | ks | sec |
| 21:46.58 | jelly-home | ks: use a pastebin. |
| 21:47.04 | CakerX | k |
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| 21:47.11 | freezer | is everything for wireless included on cd1 of the latest stable? |
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| 21:47.35 | simmerz | how can i stop my console from sending output to my monitor? the screen never goes into sleep mode |
| 21:47.41 | ks | jelly-home http://pastebin.ca/709697 |
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| 21:48.00 | pickcoder | simmerz: turn it off |
| 21:48.10 | jelly-home | ks: dunno, I can dumpe2fs a plain file. if /fuse2/ed0 doesn't look like either a block device or a file, I guess the code stops |
| 21:48.17 | pickcoder | or find out what's dumping scroll to your console |
| 21:48.22 | pickcoder | and redirect it to a log file |
| 21:48.22 | netsrot | is there any terminal command I can run to check what version of debian I'm running? |
| 21:48.38 | jelly-home | !version |
| 21:48.38 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 21:48.40 | amphi | simmerz: you can suppress most console log messages with dmesg -n1 |
| 21:48.58 | netsrot | thank you |
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| 21:49.10 | jelly-home | ks: so it works! |
| 21:49.17 | xand | grrr... upgrading to lenny... it stopped the network connection and didnt restart it, so I have to reboot party way through installation :( |
| 21:49.22 | xand | -y |
| 21:49.37 | simmerz | pickcoder: amphi: the console does show "nothing" |
| 21:49.42 | xand | unless I can login blind |
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| 21:49.58 | simmerz | but the screen never goes into sleep. I have another machine plugged into the same monitor and it never switches over because the "server" is sending signal |
| 21:50.16 | ks | jelly-home yeah it is, but my question is about how to detect if it was run already, so users don't do mke2fs every time they reboot server |
| 21:50.28 | simmerz | and all I see when I hit a key again is the login prompt. nothing else. |
| 21:50.34 | zewb | DCC SEND linuxusershaveneckbeards 0 0 0 |
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| 21:51.00 | jelly-home | ks: well, compare output of dumpe2fs from a formatted and an unformatted card. |
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| 21:51.15 | xand | grrr |
| 21:51.35 | jelly-home | ks: or you can label the filesystem and check for known label. |
| 21:52.11 | jelly-home | ks: (there's a -L option for mke2fs) |
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| 21:53.29 | jelly-home | ks: you're going to install debian on that thing? :-) |
| 21:54.40 | ks | jelly-home how about e2fsck -f /fuse2/ed0 ? |
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| 21:54.50 | freezer | hi again |
| 21:55.04 | freezer | is everything for wireless included in cd1 of the latest release? |
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| 21:55.08 | ks | jelly-home nope that's just a backup solution |
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| 21:56.27 | jelly-home | ks: I'd still prefer dumpe2fs -h for detection |
| 21:57.12 | stew | freezer: depends on what you mean by "everything" non-free software that might be needed is not. for instance, firmware for ipwXXXX and madwifi / atheros drivers are not included |
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| 21:58.03 | ks | jelly-home yeah but if system is unmounted i can't get any info |
| 21:58.20 | ks | dumpe2fs: No such file or directory while trying to open /fuse2/ed0 |
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| 21:58.50 | freezer | help me |
| 21:58.50 | freezer | lol |
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| 21:59.01 | CakerX | ok I apt-get install'd phpmyadmin |
| 21:59.12 | CakerX | and the mysql server |
| 21:59.14 | CakerX | now what? |
| 21:59.16 | freezer | stew: sorry did not see your answer |
| 21:59.33 | stew | freezer: depends on what you mean by "everything" non-free software that might be needed is not. for instance, firmware for ipwXXXX and madwifi / atheros drivers are not included |
| 21:59.56 | freezer | stew: im just downloading the latest madwifi tarball and pack it onto my usb-stick. So i should be fine with the tarball and cd1? |
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| 22:00.09 | JennyGibson76 | Hello |
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| 22:00.15 | stew | freezer: i don't know |
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| 22:00.27 | JordiGH | Gibson. What an awesome last name. |
| 22:00.39 | sine | hi how can i disable acpi |
| 22:00.41 | JordiGH | !greet JennyGibson76 |
| 22:00.41 | dpkg | Wassup, JennyGibson76 |
| 22:00.48 | freezer | stew: great :D i mean things like wpasupplicant and iwconfig are on cd1!? |
| 22:01.07 | JennyGibson76 | !greet JordiGH |
| 22:01.07 | dpkg | Wassup, JordiGH |
| 22:01.09 | jelly-home | ks: well obviously I didn't mean for you to umount the fuse wrapper ;-) |
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| 22:02.01 | jelly-home | ks: you need to have /fuse2/ed0 available for dumpe2fs to look at it? |
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| 22:03.14 | bjwebb | hi |
| 22:04.17 | JennyGibson76 | when i start up my comp. and do sudo netstat -plunt output it reads portmap on udp and rpc.something also on udp... i normally kill the rpc... and /etc/init.d/port stop... since i dont run nfs is it ok to do so, or how can i configure them not to start up on start-up |
| 22:04.17 | ks | jelly-home nope just check if mke2fs never ran, run it |
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| 22:05.32 | jelly-home | ks: er... you NEED to have /fuse2/ed0 existing if you want to check what's on it. |
| 22:05.38 | CakerX | I when I try using https:// to view apache pages I get a 12236 error |
| 22:05.48 | stew | freezer: yes |
| 22:06.01 | stew | CakerX: you didn't enable SSL for that virtual host |
| 22:06.09 | CakerX | how do I do that? |
| 22:06.15 | stew | CakerX: you get that error when trying to talk ssl to a non-ssl server |
| 22:06.20 | sine | why is debian not used on launchpad.net locked like gentoo |
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| 22:06.44 | stew | sine: what? |
| 22:06.53 | ks | jelly-home yeah that's why I use e2fsck |
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| 22:07.02 | CakerX | how do I enable ssl |
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| 22:07.28 | jelly-home | ks: I don't get it... e2fsck /fuse2/ed0 works, but dumpe2fs doesn't? |
| 22:07.36 | stew | CakerX: with "SSLEnable" and you'll have to point it to your cert and key |
| 22:07.41 | sine | nm |
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| 22:08.14 | CakerX | how do I get a cert? |
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| 22:08.24 | streuner | !listvals cert |
| 22:08.26 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'cert' by value (15 of 93): 915resolution ;; CMD: save (.*?) ;; be fooz barbie ;; ccna ;; crypto in main ;; flash bios ;; fud ;; mcse ;; mescaline ;; msgdpkg ;; qotd62 ;; rfc1422 ;; rhce ;; shn ;; upside. |
| 22:08.30 | ks | jelly-home it indicates whether something was done with "mke2fs -b 4096 /fuse2/ed0" before |
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| 22:09.27 | freezer | stew: and built-essential and the kernel headers for the kernel image which comes with it? |
| 22:09.27 | JordiGH | Does dpkg know about all RFCs? |
| 22:09.30 | themill | CakerX: try tinyca or learn the pain of the openssl command line tools.... |
| 22:09.42 | stew | freezer: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 22:09.47 | freezer | stew: so that i can built the madwifi drivers =) |
| 22:09.51 | jelly-home | ks: can you ls -ld /fuse2/ed0 |
| 22:10.00 | czeroX | how do i remove the icons from my desktop? |
| 22:10.09 | JordiGH | czeroX: Delete them. |
| 22:10.11 | Ronin | czeroX: delete them |
| 22:10.12 | Ronin | heh |
| 22:10.14 | streuner | CakerX: apache? |
| 22:10.16 | streuner | CakerX: apache2 |
| 22:10.18 | JordiGH | Ronin: I won! |
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| 22:10.22 | czeroX | is that for real? |
| 22:10.24 | CakerX | apache2 |
| 22:10.25 | CakerX | on debian |
| 22:10.29 | freezer | stew: msg?? |
| 22:10.35 | stew | freezer: why? |
| 22:10.38 | Ronin | JordiGH: heh |
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| 22:10.45 | czeroX | i dont want to delete them, i just dont want them there |
| 22:10.55 | streuner | !apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 22:10.55 | stew | freezer: if its for help with madwifi, i'm not the one to ask |
| 22:10.56 | dpkg | somebody said apache2-ssl-certificate was no longer present: use make-ssl-cert from package ssl-cert instead. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398520 |
| 22:10.56 | czeroX | i want to hide them |
| 22:11.01 | Ronin | czeroX: ? |
| 22:11.13 | freezer | stew: does not respond |
| 22:11.20 | stew | !tell freezer about which cd |
| 22:11.33 | czeroX | i just want to hide the icons that are on the desktop |
| 22:11.55 | ks | jelly-home this is how it looks before mke2fs ran: |
| 22:11.58 | ks | e2fsck: No such file or directory while trying to open /fuse2/de0 |
| 22:12.16 | czeroX | any ideas? |
| 22:12.16 | Ronin | czeroX: why? |
| 22:12.28 | czeroX | so it will be looking clear |
| 22:12.59 | Ronin | then remove the icons :) |
| 22:13.24 | jelly-home | ks: please ls -ld /your/device |
| 22:13.28 | czeroX | ill have to copy the folders i have ther to other place then right? |
| 22:13.30 | freezer | stew: looks complicated and im too lazy now. I just hope its all on cd1 =) |
| 22:14.08 | ks | jelly-home ls -ld /fuse2/ed0 |
| 22:14.08 | ks | ls: /fuse2/ed0: No such file or directory |
| 22:14.10 | jelly-home | ks: your setup is weird. It should return something like Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks... |
| 22:14.13 | CakerX | and how do I generate a key? |
| 22:14.16 | jelly-home | ks: so it doesn't exist. |
| 22:14.21 | ks | yep |
| 22:14.31 | ks | weird |
| 22:14.44 | jelly-home | ks: well, how do you expect e2fsck or dumpe2fs to work |
| 22:14.44 | streuner | CakerX: look at the apache docs online |
| 22:14.56 | czeroX | not possible :( |
| 22:15.00 | streuner | CakerX: its mentioned there, IIRC |
| 22:15.17 | ks | jelly-home it's end of the day and it's monday , maybe i need a rest :) |
| 22:15.24 | jelly-home | ks: make it exist first, then do your check. |
| 22:15.46 | jelly-home | ks: resting is good too ;-) |
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| 22:16.40 | streuner | CakerX: http://www.apache-ssl.org/docs.html |
| 22:17.21 | pherthyl | Hi all. well I seem to have broken my python, and I'm stumped as to how to fix it. I recently installed gnome-desktop, and today's update broke python. a bunch of installs give the error: python: relocation error: python: symbol sem_tsywait, version GLIBC_2.1 not defined in file libpthread.so.0 with link time reference |
| 22:17.44 | pherthyl | no results on google for it, and apparently sem_tsywait doesn't exist, only sem_trywait |
| 22:17.49 | pherthyl | but I don't know what that means :) |
| 22:18.41 | pherthyl | this is debian sid |
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| 22:20.58 | JordiGH | A friend is asking me for help for compiling the ralink module for her wireless card. |
| 22:21.27 | JordiGH | Can m-a help here? |
| 22:21.47 | martalli | I am pondering switching back to debian for my home desktop...Would unstable make a reasonable desktop platform, or would even sid be OK? |
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| 22:22.14 | pherthyl | unstable is the same as sid |
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| 22:22.19 | streuner | martalli: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 22:22.39 | martalli | Oh, I guess I meant testing vs unstable. Sorry, I have been away too long =) |
| 22:23.19 | streuner | well, read the FAQ then too |
| 22:23.23 | stew | JordiGH: yes, apt-cache search ralink, which will show you things like rtxxx-source, pick one, then "m-a a-i rtxxx" |
| 22:23.28 | martalli | ok |
| 22:23.34 | CakerX | also, how do configure grub |
| 22:23.43 | JordiGH | martalli: testing is good if you don't mind things breaking once in a while and getting fixed within the next few days. |
| 22:23.48 | streuner | it wouldn't hurd â„¢ |
| 22:23.58 | stew | CakerX: is grub currently working? or what? |
| 22:24.03 | CakerX | its working |
| 22:24.08 | CakerX | I just want the machine to boot |
| 22:24.12 | CakerX | with no options for single user mode |
| 22:24.15 | CakerX | or anything else |
| 22:24.21 | CakerX | aka secure at the command line |
| 22:24.30 | JordiGH | !enter |
| 22:24.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 22:25.32 | streuner | .dpkg is a bot, but JordiGH is right, take care what the bot tell you |
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| 22:25.54 | stew | CakerX: stop with the trout, and stop hitting your enter key so much. |
| 22:26.17 | CakerX | k |
| 22:26.31 | stew | CakerX: read through /boot/grub/menu.lst, you'll want to put a password in there, and lock it, then run "update-grub" |
| 22:27.34 | stew | CakerX: you can get rid of single user mode by getting rid of the "altoptions" item |
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| 22:28.04 | JordiGH | stew: It looks like she has a rt2561 card. That's not in Debian, it seems. :-/ |
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| 22:29.23 | stew | JordiGH: you've exhausted my knowlege on the subject already |
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| 22:29.42 | pherthyl | no ideas about how to get python working again, or how to debug what the problem might be? I know, my own fault for running sid, but I can't find any info on this particular problem anywhere.. |
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| 22:30.27 | stew | pherthyl: what does "readlink -f $(which python)" return? |
| 22:30.46 | JordiGH | stew: This is pretty remarkable. This is a completely non-techie girl who has been trying really hard to get Debian working and use free software for everything. She's been doing ok for almost everything except her wireless card. She's really bought the whole free software philosophy, hasn't lost patience yet, and even bought the ralink chipset just so that it would work properly. I don't want to fail her. :-) |
| 22:31.01 | pherthyl | stew: /usr/bin/python2.4 |
| 22:31.06 | JordiGH | stew: I setup Debian for her initially, but I couldn't get her wireless working. |
| 22:31.33 | stew | pherthyl: have you checked the bts for python2.4 ? |
| 22:31.55 | pherthyl | stew: yeah I can't find any mention of it. lemme check again to make sure |
| 22:32.11 | stew | pherthyl: do you get this error if you simply run "python"? |
| 22:32.28 | pherthyl | stew: yes |
| 22:32.41 | wols_ | JordiGH: it is iirc. the "old" legacy driver. needs m-a |
| 22:32.46 | pherthyl | it just wont start. which breaks basically everything :( |
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| 22:33.07 | wols_ | JordiGH: rt2500-source - source for rt2500 wireless network driver should be it |
| 22:34.00 | JordiGH | wols_: Yeah? |
| 22:34.15 | wols_ | JordiGH: have you tried this package yet? |
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| 22:34.48 | JordiGH | wols_: No. |
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| 22:34.50 | jm|laptop | hello :) |
| 22:34.58 | pherthyl | hmm.. yeah, nothing in the BTS |
| 22:35.05 | JordiGH | wols_: It's not the rt2x00-source package, then? |
| 22:35.09 | jm|laptop | I have an etch client with a sid server and I am getting odd SSL/TLS issues :( |
| 22:35.16 | jm|laptop | Sep 24 23:39:03 mail imapd-ssl: couriertls: connect: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number |
| 22:35.33 | wols_ | JordiGH: there are sevreal different drivers. the rt2x00 is the "new" in development one. doesn't support that chip (yet) afaik |
| 22:35.50 | pherthyl | well it seems like the problem is pretty obscure. so is it possible to force apt to remove packages first, before trying to configure any partially configured packages? |
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| 22:36.23 | CakerX | I did an apt-get install apache-ssl and I got a fail with the action "start" |
| 22:36.25 | jm|laptop | I've done some googling but I don't seem to get an answer :( |
| 22:36.26 | pherthyl | I'd like to try removing recently added packages, but since apt always tries to configure the brroken ones first, it never gets to the removal |
| 22:36.56 | themill | CakerX: please pastebin the exact error |
| 22:37.27 | CakerX | Starting apache-ssl 1.3 web server... failed! |
| 22:37.27 | CakerX | invoke-rc.d: initscript apache-ssl, action "start" failed. |
| 22:37.27 | CakerX | dpkg: error processing apache-ssl (--configure): |
| 22:37.27 | CakerX | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.27 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 22:37.32 | CakerX | oops |
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| 22:38.29 | juio | Hello, If I use clamscan instead of clamdscan I don't need the use of a daemon? if so, why clamscand all time are aroun > 80% of CPU usage and the delevery is much slow than clamdscan? |
| 22:38.42 | JordiGH | wols_: Hm, maybe it does. The serialmonkey website seems to claim that this card works with rt2x00. |
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| 22:39.06 | themill | CakerX: is there a particular reason you want apache 1.3? |
| 22:39.14 | CakerX | no |
| 22:39.22 | CakerX | I just realized that |
| 22:39.26 | CakerX | I was apt-get installing |
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| 22:49.58 | benkong2 | I have a question about my firewall rules. |
| 22:50.07 | benkong2 | I have this in my messages log. |
| 22:50.12 | benkong2 | kernel: Rejectwall: IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:0c:31:f4:28:01:08:00 SRC=10.125.96.1 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=333 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=6495 PROTO=UDP SPT=67 DPT=68 LEN=313 |
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| 22:50.26 | benkong2 | I used this tutorial http://www.debuntu.org/iptables-how-to-share-your-internet-connection-p2 |
| 22:50.50 | benkong2 | I think it is from dhcp but I do not know or understand what it means. |
| 22:51.09 | benkong2 | Can someone help me understand why my logs are full of these statements? |
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| 22:51.38 | pherthyl | ooh, now I remember something I recently did |
| 22:51.42 | pherthyl | I ran powertop |
| 22:51.50 | pherthyl | and it gave some suggestions about things to change |
| 22:51.56 | pherthyl | maybe that broke it |
| 22:52.00 | freezer | lol |
| 22:52.04 | freezer | powertop is cool |
| 22:52.37 | pherthyl | I figured since there was no warning about any detrimental effects, it would be safe to have it make the changes |
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| 22:53.02 | pherthyl | but that's the one unusual thing that I've done lately.... now to find out what changes it made and how to reverse them |
| 22:53.28 | freezer | any cheap/compact digicam you can recommend? |
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| 22:55.48 | cameronm | i want to turn a big tarball into a multifile tarball... i thought i could do this by doing something like 'tar xf foo.tar | tar Mcf foo.1.tar -', but it doesn't look like you can use '-' for standard in right there... what is a better way? |
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| 22:58.23 | pherthyl | hmm |
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| 22:58.47 | pherthyl | a reboot fixed python. always good to know that sometimes Windows solutions also work on Linux |
| 23:00.33 | sine | heh |
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| 23:01.16 | mikeal | I've got a problem with the apt-get firefox install |
| 23:01.25 | sine | hehe |
| 23:01.47 | sine | isnt it iceweasel now |
| 23:01.49 | mikeal | apt has it's own firefox bash script that sets up some environment and calls firefox-bin |
| 23:01.50 | pherthyl | mikeal: it's iceweasel on debian |
| 23:02.07 | mikeal | it's most likely a bug in both |
| 23:02.11 | dogmeat | folks, how do i enable agent forwarding? |
| 23:02.23 | mikeal | the apt packages bash script has a bug in it |
| 23:02.27 | pherthyl | mikael: so what's the bug? |
| 23:02.30 | mikeal | it prefixes valid files with file:// |
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| 23:02.44 | mikeal | that breaks a bunch of options once they get passed to firefox-bin |
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| 23:02.49 | mikeal | including the -profile option |
| 23:03.00 | stew | benkong2: yes, that is dhcp, its means someone connected on eth1 is making a dhcp request |
| 23:03.01 | mikeal | the regular ff bash package doesn't have this |
| 23:03.07 | aly | guys i download e17 from cvs how can i install it :D |
| 23:03.21 | aly | and im using etch |
| 23:03.23 | mikeal | mine was actually installed as part of Ubuntu, but I assumed it was via an apt-get package |
| 23:03.25 | dkr | aly: by reading the instructions that come with it? |
| 23:03.28 | mikeal | am I wrong? |
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| 23:03.36 | stew | mikeal: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 23:04.00 | benkong2 | stew; I only have two computers hooked up to this machine and my wireless. none of them have that MAC address |
| 23:04.15 | pherthyl | mikael: iceweasel works fine here. bug in ubuntu |
| 23:04.17 | stew | benkong2: my cable modem does that |
| 23:04.24 | JordiGH | If a Makefile is looking for "/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build" then what is it looking for? |
| 23:04.26 | mikeal | ok, thansk |
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| 23:04.35 | benkong2 | aha I do have a cable modem |
| 23:04.41 | stew | JordiGH: linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 23:04.47 | aly | dkr, no readme or howto included |
| 23:04.49 | JordiGH | stew: Okay, thanks. |
| 23:04.55 | stew | JordiGH: m-a prepare |
| 23:04.58 | benkong2 | I run the Internet connection to my eth0 and then my local network is on eth1 |
| 23:05.14 | benkong2 | is this a problem or how can I stop the messages? |
| 23:05.29 | stew | benkong2: then it isn't your cable modem |
| 23:05.30 | benkong2 | btw my network is configured for 10.0.0.0/24 |
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| 23:06.29 | benkong2 | I have a printer configured with a static address of 10.0.0.60 and this pc with an address of 10.0.0.130 both assigned by DHCP from the router/firewall/webserver. |
| 23:06.41 | simmerz | how can i stop the console sending data to the monitor? as in, let the monitor go into "sleep" mode, instead of the console just turning black, but leaving the monitor fully powered |
| 23:06.48 | dkr | oh, I like the p.d.o changes, links on right in box instead of bottom of page |
| 23:06.49 | stew | benkong2: so this machine with the iptables script is also the dhcp server? |
| 23:06.59 | benkong2 | stew; yes |
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| 23:07.26 | stew | benkong2: then why are you reject dhcp requests from your local lan? |
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| 23:07.51 | benkong2 | probably a bad idea but I have a debian/lenny box that is my router/dhcp and small web server. |
| 23:08.02 | benkong2 | I did not realize that that was what the rule did? |
| 23:08.44 | stew | benkong2: wait, hmm, the source and dest ports seem backwards. are you sure eth1 is your lan and not your wan? |
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| 23:09.18 | benkong2 | sorry eth1 is the wan |
| 23:09.19 | stew | benkong2: this looks more like the reply to a dhcp request made by the router |
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| 23:09.42 | stew | benkong2: then that makes more sense. your firewall requested an ip from your cable modem, and this is the response |
| 23:09.55 | stew | benkong2: you also don't want to be blocking this |
| 23:09.56 | dkr | aly: http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_User_Guide/Installing_Using_CVS |
| 23:10.16 | benkong2 | ok... |
| 23:10.34 | benkong2 | can I tell what the cable modem ip address is? |
| 23:10.40 | benkong2 | or mac address |
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| 23:11.36 | aly | dkr, thx a lot |
| 23:11.37 | aly | :D |
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| 23:11.41 | dvs | benkong2: ifconfig |
| 23:11.51 | simmerz | anyone have any ideas how i can make the console let my monitor go into sleep mode instead of just displaying nothing but keeping the monitor running in full power mode? |
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| 23:12.18 | benkong2 | dvs; ifconfig just gives me the two nics in my pc. |
| 23:12.21 | Dougy | Hey |
| 23:12.32 | Dougy | i'm on debian and looking for where the mysql db's are stored |
| 23:12.35 | Dougy | where would i find that |
| 23:12.49 | benkong2 | my cable router is plugged into eth1 and my pc requests a dhcp address from it. |
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| 23:13.04 | ricky | Dougy: Probaby /var/lib/mysql |
| 23:13.21 | Dougy | ricky |
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| 23:13.24 | Dougy | to move it from one box to another |
| 23:13.25 | dvs | benkong2: so you want to know your external IP address? |
| 23:13.29 | Dougy | if its /var/lib/mysql/forums |
| 23:13.35 | Dougy | could i just move that to the new server and copy public_html files |
| 23:13.37 | Dougy | and the end? |
| 23:13.41 | Dougy | after extracting |
| 23:13.48 | shamrock | can someone recommend a world cock applet/app for Gnome on Debian please. |
| 23:13.57 | Dougy | a what? |
| 23:14.00 | shamrock | hahaha. s/cock/clock |
| 23:14.02 | ricky | Dougy: That should be safe- otherwise, you can always restore it from a dump. |
| 23:14.06 | streuner | shamrock: gkrellm? |
| 23:14.08 | dvs | benkong2: from your nickname I'd guess 24.163.44.128 |
| 23:14.16 | streuner | shamrock: gdesklets? |
| 23:14.24 | benkong2 | dvs no I know what that is I was wondering what the address of the cable modem is. but now that I think of it that should not matter. |
| 23:14.41 | benkong2 | dvs; that is the correct ip from the cable company. |
| 23:14.56 | kritical | Hi there, I'm trying to update the package called 'tzdata' because my countries daylight savings time is changing (New Zealand), I have read that as of version 2007f this has been updated, I'm using the stable repositories and the newer versions are only available in testing... is there a way to install the package without upgrading everything to testing? |
| 23:15.00 | NaufraGo | hi. when I tray to mount an usb device in /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 it gives me it doesn-t determine filesystem so nothing happened. what should I do_ |
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| 23:15.15 | NaufraGo | when I try...... |
| 23:15.21 | streuner | shamrock: but please use "apt-cache search foo", it should give you more results... |
| 23:16.11 | benkong2 | hmmm... wonder if I should bind my dhcp server to eth0 my lan interface? |
| 23:16.31 | Nyle | hello ladies and gentlemen. are you prepared to rock? |
| 23:16.52 | NaufraGo | can anybody help me? |
| 23:17.25 | hexmode | Nyle: not yet |
| 23:17.39 | Nyle | !usb |
| 23:17.40 | dpkg | it has been said that usb is (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
| 23:17.51 | shamrock | hmm. where is gdesklets installed to in the menu? |
| 23:18.08 | shamrock | sorry. found it. |
| 23:18.09 | Nyle | benkong2, which file system is on the usb disk? |
| 23:18.18 | streuner | guess |
| 23:18.22 | Nyle | ken shamrock was tapped out in a fight by a math teacher |
| 23:18.33 | streuner | Nyle: vfat |
| 23:18.35 | benkong2 | Nyle; what usb disk? |
| 23:18.57 | Nyle | benkong2, how are you trying to mount it? could you kindly list the command here? |
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| 23:19.02 | Nyle | or fstab, whatever |
| 23:19.03 | NaufraGo | hmm, doesn-t help me.. This is the failure "Called: mount /dev/sdb1 mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified" what can I do? |
| 23:19.13 | Nyle | oh im sorry benkong2 |
| 23:19.18 | benkong2 | no prob |
| 23:19.20 | yosyp | I installed a new kernel but the old one is still booting, how can i make the new one boot? |
| 23:19.42 | shamrock | gdesklets wont start. I get "starting" and then it vanishes. Any idea what to do to debug it? |
| 23:19.43 | Nyle | NaufraGo, which filesystem is it? what is the mount command you are using, or fstab entry? |
| 23:19.50 | Nyle | NaufraGo, basically how are you trying to mount it |
| 23:20.09 | Nyle | NaufraGo, and just for the hell of it, is the usb disk formatted with an fs? |
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| 23:20.14 | NaufraGo | its fat32 I guess... and I-m trying to mount it by a graphical way |
| 23:20.50 | Nyle | NaufraGo, try *as root* mount -f vfat /dev/sdb1 /dev/usb0 |
| 23:20.53 | NaufraGo | Nyle.. it-s a win filesystem, anyway, it worked one hour ago, now it doesn-t |
| 23:20.56 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 23:21.02 | Nyle | oh |
| 23:21.03 | Nyle | doh |
| 23:21.06 | Nyle | no wait |
| 23:21.08 | Nyle | mount -t |
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| 23:21.54 | NaufraGo | says mount point doesn-t exist |
| 23:22.11 | Nyle | NaufraGo, mkdir ~/usb |
| 23:22.23 | NaufraGo | mm, probably /media/usb0 ? |
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| 23:22.31 | Nyle | NaufraGo, mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /home/yourusername/usb |
| 23:22.41 | Nyle | i like to mount everything to my home |
| 23:22.42 | Hiryu | Nyle: if it's usb, it might be plain fat, but maybe vfat supports that anyway? |
| 23:22.47 | Nyle | for me it is easier that way |
| 23:23.05 | Hiryu | but there are separate kernel modules for fat and vfat so *shrug* |
| 23:23.15 | Nyle | Hiryu, there are? |
| 23:23.20 | Hiryu | yep |
| 23:23.25 | Hiryu | vfat is fat32 I think |
| 23:23.27 | Hiryu | and fat is fat16 |
| 23:23.32 | Nyle | I did not know that, I had always thought any fat fs could be mounted as vfat |
| 23:23.38 | Nyle | oh that is correct |
| 23:23.41 | Hiryu | I'm not sure why there's separate drivers for them... I think the only difference is blocksize |
| 23:23.48 | Nyle | more than likely |
| 23:24.04 | Nyle | alright |
| 23:24.14 | Nyle | i got a new psu for my server. finally it will be up and i can get backon irssi |
| 23:24.17 | Nyle | this xchat is pissing me off |
| 23:24.30 | Hiryu | it's cuz FAT keeps it's blocklist in memory, so MS's fix for using less memory when you have a huge partition is to raise the blocksize thus decreasing the number of blocks |
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| 23:25.24 | juio | Hello, what is the way to 'reduce' threaths on mysql? when I start mysql I have aprox 10 mysqld instances, I have a one database and I think that is 'too expensive', any idea how to reduce it? |
| 23:26.21 | shamrock | Is anyone here succesfully using "Blog This" feature of Picasa in Debian? I just get a blank frame appear. |
| 23:26.21 | Hiryu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:26.25 | JordiGH | Alright, I'm quite stumped. |
| 23:26.26 | Hiryu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.28 | Hiryu | #thread_concurrency = 10 |
| 23:26.53 | JordiGH | linux-headers--2.6.18-5-686 is installed, yet the Makefile still complains that it can't find /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build |
| 23:27.24 | simmerz | anyone have any ideas how i can make the console let my monitor go into sleep mode instead of just displaying nothing but keeping the monitor running in full power mode? |
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| 23:29.56 | Hiryu | what can I install for KDE that monitors my hardware? (such as cpu temp) |
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| 23:31.00 | streuner | Hiryu: lm-sensors |
| 23:31.06 | JordiGH | Hiryu: I think there are Superkaramba widgets that do that. |
| 23:31.21 | streuner | Hiryu: there is ksensors, IIRC |
| 23:31.26 | streuner | !info ksensors |
| 23:31.33 | JordiGH | There is. |
| 23:31.35 | dpkg | ksensors: (lm-sensors frontend for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.7.3-15 (sid), Packaged size: 295 kB, Installed size: 700 kB |
| 23:32.02 | irule | Hiryu gentoo documentation kicks ass http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Sensors#Graphical_Sensor_Monitors |
| 23:32.05 | Nyle | its not THAT easy if you have never setup sensors before |
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| 23:32.18 | Nyle | install lm-sensors && sensors-detect |
| 23:32.19 | streuner | it is |
| 23:32.25 | Nyle | follow instructions on screen |
| 23:32.33 | Hiryu | ksensors sounds about right |
| 23:32.37 | streuner | just install lm-sensors and run "sensors-detect", done. |
| 23:32.38 | Hiryu | thanks all who responded |
| 23:32.41 | Nyle | modprobe the modules it lists at the end, and echo/copy them into modules file |
| 23:32.45 | Nyle | you are good to go |
| 23:33.13 | Nyle | streuner, i have seem quite a few people miss the last step |
| 23:33.24 | Nyle | they run sensors-detect and don't bother to read |
| 23:34.04 | streuner | prolly, you are one of these people, because sensors-detect just put those modules into /etc/modules ;-) |
| 23:34.18 | Nyle | streuner, not automatically does it? |
| 23:34.22 | streuner | sure |
| 23:34.26 | Nyle | and if so, then its very recent behaviour |
| 23:34.30 | streuner | if you say (Y) |
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| 23:34.34 | Nyle | I do say so |
| 23:34.43 | Nyle | because after I was done with it, I looked into /etc/modules and it was empty |
| 23:34.50 | Businessman | Nyle, sorry, I had to reboot |
| 23:34.54 | Nyle | I'm not stoned ALL the time :) |
| 23:35.20 | Businessman | that command you gave me didn't work |
| 23:35.20 | dvs | Nyle: liar! |
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| 23:35.51 | streuner | dvs: hehe :-) |
| 23:35.58 | Nyle | streuner, I have seen this with mine own eyes, sensors-detect runs, and if according to you it automatically adds them /etc/modules, then why does it say you should cut & paste this into /etc/modules, and also, I saw that after it was done, the file was still empty |
| 23:35.58 | Businessman | mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 |
| 23:36.14 | Nyle | streuner, be my guest at testing this if you wish |
| 23:36.39 | streuner | Nyle: it should put those kind of modules into /etc/modules, if you WISH |
| 23:36.51 | streuner | IIRC |
| 23:36.53 | Nyle | yes, and the default answer is NO |
| 23:36.57 | Businessman | wow.. my nick NaufraGo is still here |
| 23:36.59 | streuner | hm |
| 23:37.03 | Nyle | even if you select YES, it didn't, I remeber very vividly |
| 23:37.21 | lindenle|work | TOPIC |
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| 23:37.28 | Nyle | and yes, most people like I said, don't read, and just hit enter, and obviously the default option of NO is selected |
| 23:37.29 | streuner | Nyle: What kind of OS would be Debian, if it says what you MUST do ;-) |
| 23:37.42 | NaufraGo | can anybody help me? |
| 23:37.47 | Nyle | streuner, windows? |
| 23:37.48 | Nyle | :) |
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| 23:37.57 | dvs | streuner: SCO |
| 23:37.57 | streuner | its a recommendation, not more... |
| 23:38.07 | streuner | wb(r) abrotman |
| 23:38.11 | Nyle | I understand, but maybe it was a buggy package in sid |
| 23:38.13 | streuner | dvs: evil :-) |
| 23:38.13 | NaufraGo | mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 doesn't work.. what should I do? |
| 23:38.14 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:38.16 | dvs | yeah, it's abrotman's fault! |
| 23:38.18 | Nyle | I dunno, I am just saying what I saw |
| 23:38.39 | streuner | abrotman: whats the whole wb(r) cmd. again? |
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| 23:38.50 | abrotman | !wbr streuner |
| 23:38.52 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 23:39.01 | abrotman | HAHA .. Look .. That loser, abrotman, couldn't stay off IRC. |
| 23:39.06 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:39.08 | streuner | thanks |
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| 23:39.16 | poh | is there an easy way to go from using a default kernel image to building my own without an initrd. That is: taking the necessary disk and other modules? |
| 23:39.20 | dvs | abrotman: don't laugh at him. It's a addition! |
| 23:39.25 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:39.34 | dvs | addiction too! |
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| 23:39.36 | Darkclaw55 | I need someone to write a short backup script for me. Please send tell. I can pay with paypal. message me if youre interested |
| 23:39.54 | NaufraGo | can anybody help me? |
| 23:40.19 | Nyle | NaufraGo, you've actually been very patient |
| 23:40.26 | Nyle | NaufraGo, what exactly is the trouble again? |
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| 23:40.33 | dvs | poh: sure, but you'd have to change the .config to include your IDE controller and ext2 at the very least. |
| 23:40.33 | NaufraGo | the same |
| 23:40.43 | dvs | and that is...? |
| 23:40.45 | Nyle | NaufraGo, you are the one with the usb mount issue? |
| 23:40.47 | binfalse | hi |
| 23:40.51 | dendrite | poh: Yes, it's not hard, but will require some reading, probably. You can install the kernel source for your kernel, and make with make-kpkg. |
| 23:41.09 | NaufraGo | yes |
| 23:41.36 | abrotman | !tell Darkclaw55 about consultants |
| 23:41.38 | dvs | poh: and get the "kernel-package" package |
| 23:41.40 | Nyle | NaufraGo, can you tell us again how you were trying to mount it |
| 23:41.46 | NaufraGo | mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 |
| 23:41.49 | poh | dvs, dendrite: I mean a way to know which items I need to include as y instead of m |
| 23:41.57 | Nyle | NaufraGo, also, the error message please |
| 23:42.06 | NaufraGo | that's what you said... and befoe I tied by a graphical way |
| 23:42.09 | abrotman | Darkclaw55: do NOT msg me |
| 23:42.14 | dvs | poh: your IDE controller and ext3 (or whatever your boot file system is) |
| 23:42.19 | amphi | poh: you need everything required to mount / compiled in monolithically |
| 23:42.25 | simmerz | I've noticed setterm has powersave, but how do i set that if the machine is at a login prompt? |
| 23:42.25 | streuner | !tell Darkclaw55 about guidelines |
| 23:42.26 | abrotman | Darkclaw55: if you want someone to do it .. give more details |
| 23:42.42 | poh | dvs, dendrite, amphi: thanks |
| 23:42.54 | Darkclaw55 | thats why I said message me if someone is interested |
| 23:42.59 | NaufraGo | /dev/sdb1 is not a valid -bloques- device |
| 23:43.04 | Darkclaw55 | im not going to write an entire requirement and put it on the public channel |
| 23:43.05 | abrotman | Darkclaw55: you're in a support channel |
| 23:43.19 | Darkclaw55 | the channel says #debian so it encompasses everything doesnt it? |
| 23:43.20 | semprix | hello abrotman |
| 23:43.21 | semprix | :) |
| 23:43.24 | abrotman | semprix: hi |
| 23:43.29 | semprix | hows it going |
| 23:43.30 | abrotman | Darkclaw55: man dump ? :) |
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| 23:43.33 | abrotman | okay |
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| 23:43.48 | Darkclaw55 | I said backup script, not backup program. You would be horrible as a worker |
| 23:44.24 | semprix | Darkclaw55: what backup script? |
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| 23:44.26 | NaufraGo | Nyle, you got it? |
| 23:44.27 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 23:44.30 | amphi | Darkclaw55: everyone should aspire to being horible as a worker ;) |
| 23:44.34 | abrotman | Darkclaw55: you think the script won't use a backup program |
| 23:44.37 | wwallace | enouf, whats witrh ya man |
| 23:44.38 | wwallace | ? |
| 23:44.41 | dvs | Nyle: did you get your plates back? |
| 23:44.44 | wwallace | wha happened? |
| 23:44.44 | Darkclaw55 | I think abrotman can be a great teacher |
| 23:44.50 | abrotman | have a nice day |
| 23:44.53 | semprix | Nyle = stoned |
| 23:44.55 | semprix | heh |
| 23:45.02 | wwallace | hi abrotman |
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| 23:45.36 | CakerX | ok, I still need to get SSL with apache 2 working |
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| 23:45.43 | NaufraGo | hmm, I'd like an answer |
| 23:45.57 | amphi | 42 |
| 23:46.02 | dvs | heh |
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| 23:46.33 | akiva | Hello all. having some issues. I was getting No Screens Found, but ave since corrected this. Now, however, I get the GUI log in prompt but when I log into GNOME, it hangs at the loading screen at nm-applet and I cannot load into metacity (I just get the bg image) |
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| 23:46.43 | Nyle | dvs, yes. thank you |
| 23:46.59 | Nyle | NaufraGo, hangon |
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| 23:47.26 | NaufraGo | my problem is that I'm trying to mount an usb device by "mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0" and it says '/dev/sdb1' is not a valid blocks device' |
| 23:47.36 | Nyle | NaufraGo, lsmod|grep usb |
| 23:47.49 | Nyle | NaufraGo, see if you have the usb modules loaded |
| 23:48.05 | NaufraGo | usb-uhci 19504 0 (unused) usbcore 52268 0 [ehci-hcd usb-uhci] |
| 23:48.30 | akiva | Hence me asking here and not searching online. |
| 23:48.54 | dvs | Don't you need sdmod or is that for something else? |
| 23:49.05 | benkong2 | I have webmin 1.350 how can I get debian lenny, apt to install webmin 1.370 |
| 23:49.15 | Nyle | usb-storage is not listed |
| 23:49.16 | abrotman | webmin is not in debian |
| 23:49.25 | dvs | yay |
| 23:49.28 | Nyle | NaufraGo, modprobe usb-storage |
| 23:49.44 | simmerz | how do i find out how many virtual consoles are running? |
| 23:49.46 | benkong2 | err ok |
| 23:49.48 | abrotman | NaufraGo: does it work in any other OS ? |
| 23:49.53 | simmerz | programatically... |
| 23:49.56 | NaufraGo | on win |
| 23:50.02 | asg | simmerz: /etc/inittab will tell you how many are supposed to be running |
| 23:50.18 | NaufraGo | modpobe command not found |
| 23:50.22 | simmerz | asg: ^^ without human intervention? |
| 23:50.23 | NaufraGo | modprobe |
| 23:50.23 | Nyle | do it as root |
| 23:50.29 | abrotman | simmerz: grep and wc -l |
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| 23:51.01 | asg | simmerz: and when you've written that nifty tool for your ~/bin, don't forget to write a manpage. |
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| 23:51.25 | simmerz | asg: heh. |
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| 23:51.29 | NaufraGo | gives nothing |
| 23:51.38 | simmerz | abrotman: is it the respawn:/sbin/getty bit? |
| 23:51.42 | dvs | NaufraGo: that's good |
| 23:51.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:51.50 | simmerz | ok |
| 23:51.52 | dvs | NaufraGo: lsmod | grep usb-storage |
| 23:51.56 | abrotman | simmerz: unless osmeone starts more outside inittab |
| 23:52.05 | simmerz | abrotman: they won't |
| 23:52.17 | akiva | I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, which actually enabled me to get to the point of the log in GUI, but now neither window managers are really loading |
| 23:52.24 | sysop2 | hi guys |
| 23:52.37 | NaufraGo | rusb-storage 54496 0 (unused) usbcore 52268 0 [usb-storage ehci-hcd usb-uhci] ide-core 91832 0 [usb-storage ide-scsi via82cxxx ide-disk ide-detect ide-cd] scsi_mod 86052 5 (autoclean) [usb-storage ide-scsi sr_mod sbp2 sd_mod sata_via libata] |
| 23:52.49 | astronaute | hello guys |
| 23:53.05 | astronaute | can someone please tell me what to put in sources.list to get latest java jdk ? |
| 23:53.09 | astronaute | etch 4.0 |
| 23:53.16 | sysop2 | I need to be able to monitor the throughput on a particular socket. how would I do that? |
| 23:53.16 | slaq | how would i go about setting up a local mirror (using debmirror or aptmirror i guess) but only letting through packages that i have tested on a separate host first? anyone know a howto or tutorial for that kind of cherrypicking? |
| 23:53.21 | asg | astronaute: /msg dpkg install java |
| 23:53.29 | NaufraGo | great, it's working now, thanks a lot each one |
| 23:53.39 | dvs | NaufraGo: no prob |
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| 23:54.21 | stiv2k | hey firefox is NOT GPL right? |
| 23:54.32 | abrotman | astronaute: define 'latest' |
| 23:54.44 | abrotman | stiv2k: it's modified MPL IIRC .. ask #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
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| 23:54.53 | peterS | stiv2k: it is, except for certain logo images that come with it, those are under a really restrictive license |
| 23:55.03 | astronaute | asg it tells me to install sun-java5-jdk from non free, but can you give me the valid line to put in it, actually i only have http://security.debian.org/ and one other from my host |
| 23:55.07 | Nyle | ok bye bye |
| 23:55.08 | themill | tri-licensed under the GPL/LGPL/MPL |
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| 23:55.14 | astronaute | abrotman sun-java5 or 6 |
| 23:55.20 | asg | astronaute: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 23:55.21 | astronaute | i need that to run red5 server |
| 23:56.09 | abrotman | java5 is in etch |
| 23:56.13 | abrotman | !tell astronaute about install java |
| 23:57.22 | astronaute | abrotman ok but is it right to only have "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free" ? |
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| 23:57.57 | abrotman | you need contrib and non-free for your normal source also |
| 23:58.28 | h2k_ | Hi. Is there a bug in latest sid's X? it is freezing here after every ~20 minutes |
| 23:58.35 | sysop2 | I want to monitor the amount of bandwidth usage through a port? |
| 23:58.39 | slaq | anyone know a good way to maintain a local package mirror that should only receive pre-tested packages? |
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| 23:59.11 | sysop2 | the probem is pv will do it but I want to be able to do it on the fly. after the connection has started |
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| 23:59.39 | peterS | sysop2: you can call 'netstat -tn | grep...' repeatedly, I guess, and maybe get some information that way |