| 00:00.09 | pstickne | hello, I'm having a hard time finding out how to specify an IPv6 address when using ssh and -L |
| 00:00.11 | nico8481 | jelly-home: okay. what if it finds a bigger version number on dmm reps but don't have the deps installed? will it look on debian repos if they can't be found on dmm ones? will the versions match? |
| 00:00.26 | pstickne | does anyone have any idea on the propper notation? (: is used by the delims) |
| 00:00.29 | nico8481 | (sorry but i gather a max of info before taking the big jump :p) |
| 00:00.39 | keith4 | nico8481: yes |
| 00:00.49 | keith4 | marillat builds against standard deb repos |
| 00:01.34 | nico8481 | mmkay |
| 00:01.34 | jelly-home | nico8481: if there are dependencies in d-m too, usually d-m keeps that working by naming lib* packages differently if they're incompatible or by versioning |
| 00:02.15 | nico8481 | hmm :-/ |
| 00:02.22 | stoned | jelly-home: not all of them. I listed the ones not present. One would conclude, I hope, that means some packages are present, someare not. I suppose its my bad because I think people might be able to put two and two together |
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| 00:03.02 | jelly-home | stoned: then you say "some are not, and some are", no "they are not" |
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| 00:03.16 | stoned | jelly-home: right |
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| 00:03.27 | stoned | like I said, my bad. |
| 00:03.33 | nico8481 | isn't it cleaner to use debian's reps to install the multimedia apps and get the missing stuff (i guess that'd be only codecs and proprietary stuff) elsewhere? |
| 00:04.14 | jelly-home | nico8481: basically, marillat keeps his repo in a very good shape, no problems in last maybe 2 years |
| 00:04.14 | Wyzard | seems most straightforward to me to just add the d-m source and install the packages you want, and let apt figure out where each package should come from |
| 00:04.34 | keith4 | there isn't much overlap between d-m and regular repos |
| 00:04.55 | stoned | I just get everything from his repos |
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| 00:05.02 | stoned | but why exactly does this matter? |
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| 00:05.11 | jelly-home | nico8481: theoretically, yes. however, debian uses old versions of some libs that wouldn't really work with software from d-m |
| 00:05.15 | nico8481 | okay thanks... btw, once a package is installed, is there a way to track it back to the repo it's been installed from? |
| 00:05.47 | Wyzard | nico8481: apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 00:05.57 | nico8481 | thx |
| 00:06.04 | stoned | jelly-home: i've been running stable + unstable on seperate boxes and almost 2 years of only marillat packages and there have been no lib problems |
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| 00:06.33 | Wyzard | nico8481: shows you each available version and the sources it's available from; a "source" of "/var/lib/dkpg/status" represents an installed copy of the package |
| 00:06.42 | jelly-home | stoned: same here |
| 00:06.51 | jelly-home | stoned: only testing+unstable |
| 00:06.57 | stoned | ew testing |
| 00:07.10 | jelly-home | didn't you hear? testing is the new unstable. |
| 00:07.16 | stoned | ugh |
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| 00:07.29 | Oyama | hello |
| 00:07.37 | stoned | olleh |
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| 00:09.40 | nico8481 | Wyzard: not sure i get it :-/ |
| 00:10.20 | nico8481 | Wyzard: you say it shows all the repos from where that package is available... but does it show which one it's been installed from once it's installed? |
| 00:10.49 | nico8481 | the manpage doesn't seem to indicate that it does :-/ |
| 00:10.55 | Wyzard | nico8481: It doesn't say where the installed copy of the package was actually downloaded from, because apt keeps track of that |
| 00:10.56 | jelly-home | nico8481: that particular piece of info isn't kept, I think. |
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| 00:11.24 | Wyzard | nico8481: but packages with the same version number are generally identical -- I've never seen a case where they weren't |
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| 00:11.55 | Wyzard | nico8481: so you can look at which version is installed and which sources have that version of that package -- usually the package will only be available from the official archive, or only available from debian-multimedia, or whatever |
| 00:12.06 | nico8481 | Wyzard: and where does apt keep track of that? |
| 00:12.11 | Oyama | i'm planning on building what i would call a "media network". I mean, i have a server with plenty of video/music/images/games, i have 3 computers wich are dedicated to play those medias. I'd like these to be transformed to "mediaboxs", i mean like using mythtv and such. The trouble with mythtv and such is that they are looking for media on the local filesystem, or i need to mount a nfs. Isn't there a combo client/server that would allow me to store all the in |
| 00:12.12 | Oyama | formations about the medias on the server, and play them on the clients? Without having to configure stuffs like nfs mounts and such? |
| 00:12.14 | Oyama | wow |
| 00:12.17 | Oyama | lot of text |
| 00:12.18 | Oyama | sorry |
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| 00:12.22 | Wyzard | nico8481: and if there are two sources with the same version of the package, they're the same so it doesn't matter which one you download from |
| 00:12.33 | lindenl2 | anybody know if I can talk to my blackberry from linux? |
| 00:12.53 | Wyzard | nico8481: It just looks at the database of available packages -- the lists downloaded by "apt-get update" |
| 00:12.54 | jelly-home | Wyzard: apt-get -b source foo can easily create you a package with same version number as in debian :-| |
| 00:13.03 | nico8481 | hmm ya :-/ |
| 00:13.12 | nico8481 | well ok thanks! |
| 00:13.12 | kalve | lindenl2: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190938 |
| 00:13.35 | Wyzard | jelly-home: yeah, but next time you upgrade, apt replaces it with the version from the repository |
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| 00:14.04 | jelly-home | Wyzard: if you did a backport to stable, there could be a long time to upgrade |
| 00:14.33 | jelly-home | Wyzard: it is a case of shooting yourself in the foot, but I've seen it done more than once |
| 00:15.17 | nico8481 | what about the security updates to the d-m packages? |
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| 00:15.40 | nico8481 | i guess the debian-security team doesn't handle these |
| 00:15.45 | jelly-home | nico8481: haha, security updates for a 3rd party repo? :-) |
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| 00:15.47 | Wyzard | nico8481: correct |
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| 00:16.33 | nico8481 | so it'd probably be a good idea to stick with the multimedia packages from standard debian repos if you'd like to keep the system safe :) |
| 00:16.49 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I don't mean a new version from the repository, I mean the *same* version from the repository |
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| 00:17.24 | jelly-home | Wyzard: apt is a but smart there and if you have two differing packages with same version, it gets the newer one |
| 00:17.25 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I've seen apt download and reinstall a package that was already installed, at the same version, that I had compiled locally |
| 00:17.27 | jelly-home | bit* |
| 00:17.48 | nico8481 | wouldn't it? |
| 00:18.23 | Wyzard | nico8481: yes |
| 00:19.11 | jelly-home | nico8481: debian's builds of mplayer / mencoder are somewhat crippled. You can choose between recent versions (basically, same security status as unstable) and older, funky builds from debian.org |
| 00:19.41 | nico8481 | i intend to install the -stable branch actually :-/ |
| 00:19.58 | jelly-home | on a desktop? interesting. :-) |
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| 00:20.30 | kalve | lindenl2: did it look like something that could work for you? |
| 00:20.31 | nico8481 | provided that's it's the only branch whose security updates are managed in a timely manner |
| 00:20.42 | nico8481 | from what i can read |
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| 00:24.38 | jelly-home | nico8481: we have some 200 machines to keep track of, and we mostly use stable. For some packages we use volatile or even track upstream ourselves, minimizing risk while keeping fresh versions of interesting software. |
| 00:25.06 | jelly-home | these are servers though, but the same thing can be applied to your stable desktops |
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| 00:27.28 | jelly-home | nico8481: those who do video processing and similar, usually want latest features so I'm not sure whether your users would be happy with versions from stable. If they are, sure, go with it. |
| 00:28.19 | nico8481 | i'm the only user it's for my home laptop :-) |
| 00:29.02 | nico8481 | and i don't do video editing (yet), thought i'd probably like a working jukebox app and video media player |
| 00:29.12 | nico8481 | with recent codecs |
| 00:29.19 | jelly-home | nico8481: wtf, use d-m then |
| 00:29.36 | Nofilicity | "Can't find Kernel build files in etc.." what should I do? |
| 00:29.41 | Nofilicity | What should I put KBUILD to, I mean. |
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| 00:29.50 | jelly-home | nico8481: I thought you had good reasons to worry about security :-) |
| 00:29.51 | nico8481 | yeah but i'm a bit of a paranoid when it comes to security ;-) |
| 00:30.18 | Nofilicity | hmm |
| 00:30.20 | nico8481 | for no good reasons other that protect me from ID theft and stuff like that, should my comp be compromised :p |
| 00:30.24 | Nofilicity | or what |
| 00:30.27 | Nofilicity | /lib/modules?* |
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| 00:30.57 | jelly-home | nico8481: so take a look at security bugs in your software in last year or so, then take a look at when did debian and marillat release fixes, and draw conclusions. |
| 00:31.37 | nico8481 | sure. will do. thanks for your hints anyway! |
| 00:31.40 | Nofilicity | Where are ther kernel build files located? |
| 00:31.42 | Nofilicity | the* |
| 00:31.53 | mainer | /usr/src usually |
| 00:31.57 | jelly-home | nico8481: ah yes, when a thief steals your laptop, he'll break in by putting a malware .avi with mplayer exploit :-P |
| 00:32.23 | mainer | lol] |
| 00:32.23 | jelly-home | nico8481: "risk management" > "security paranoia" |
| 00:33.00 | Nofilicity | Do I need kernel-devel? |
| 00:33.25 | dvs | Nofilicity: no, kernel-package if you're building your own kernel |
| 00:33.31 | mainer | usually headers,src |
| 00:33.33 | Nofilicity | No, Im compiling ndiswrapper ;\ |
| 00:33.48 | dvs | Nofilicity: then it's module assistant |
| 00:33.52 | Nofilicity | Err? |
| 00:33.54 | Nofilicity | What do you mean |
| 00:33.55 | gpm | modass ftw! |
| 00:33.56 | dvs | Nofilicity: and build-essential |
| 00:34.00 | Nofilicity | I have those |
| 00:34.03 | Nofilicity | How do I use them? XD |
| 00:34.10 | gpm | m-a a-i ndiswrapper? |
| 00:34.15 | mainer | you don't compile it you install the wrapper iirc |
| 00:34.21 | nico8481 | jelly-home: was not talking about physical theft of the laptop but rather remote exploit or whatnot but well... |
| 00:34.21 | dvs | !prize gpm |
| 00:34.29 | gpm | yes! |
| 00:34.32 | gpm | i've always wanted one |
| 00:34.39 | gpm | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 00:34.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 00:34.48 | gpm | ha, i was right! |
| 00:35.17 | Nofilicity | ahha! |
| 00:35.18 | Nofilicity | Thanks |
| 00:35.30 | gpm | didn't someone tell you to look at that like an hour ago? |
| 00:35.34 | jelly-home | gpm: that's badass, not modass. I don't even want to know what modass might do |
| 00:35.36 | Nofilicity | Yeah, I was gone :P |
| 00:35.42 | Nofilicity | I see it now |
| 00:35.43 | Nofilicity | XD |
| 00:35.47 | biz | hi, after i've used xmodmap my 'Num_Lock' works in the opposite meaning. any ideas? 'keycode 77 = Num_Lock' (this is the pight keycode), 'clear Mod3', 'add Mod3 = Num_Lock'. anything else needed? |
| 00:35.48 | gpm | jelly-home: i've seen m-a referred to as modass |
| 00:36.32 | Nofilicity | XD |
| 00:36.45 | gpm | oh, smileys. |
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| 00:36.59 | Nofilicity | What site does dpkg parse from? |
| 00:37.08 | gpm | what? |
| 00:37.41 | gpm | rephrase |
| 00:37.43 | jelly-home | dpkg, the bot, has a mysql db backend with factoids |
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| 00:37.56 | gpm | damn that gets confusing. |
| 00:38.04 | jelly-home | got me thinking for a bit |
| 00:38.14 | dvs | no wonder why dpkg is so slow! ;-) |
| 00:38.14 | dondelelcaro | !your factoids |
| 00:38.15 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 00:38.33 | gpm | sweetness |
| 00:38.46 | jelly-home | dvs: you don't even want to know about how !find works |
| 00:38.47 | nico8481 | ok folks bye... need some sleep |
| 00:38.56 | dvs | uh ho |
| 00:39.00 | Nofilicity | What language is dpkg written in? |
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| 00:39.05 | abrotman | perl |
| 00:39.19 | Nofilicity | Cool. |
| 00:39.20 | Nofilicity | Brb |
| 00:39.27 | phr0zen | this will install apache right, apt-get install apache, ? I am really new to linux and just checking |
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| 00:39.32 | jelly-home | dvs: "oh, we'll just redownload these Packages.gz from the mirror almost every time we run" |
| 00:39.35 | gpm | brain is having difficulty not associating dpkg with the program (not the bot) |
| 00:39.38 | abrotman | phr0zen: you likely want apache2 |
| 00:39.45 | jelly-home | er,Contents.gz |
| 00:39.48 | dvs | sure! |
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| 00:40.22 | phr0zen | ok |
| 00:40.23 | phr0zen | thanks |
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| 00:40.28 | mainer | phr0zen: apt-cache search apache |
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| 00:41.02 | phooka | jelly-home: quad cpu staminus server with 4gig ram, and a 500gig hdd |
| 00:41.17 | mainer | sweet |
| 00:41.20 | pike__ | probably a little amiga in someone basement in detroit |
| 00:41.57 | abrotman | dpkg: where are you |
| 00:41.57 | dpkg | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 00:42.15 | simonrvn | holy, that's way out west |
| 00:42.36 | simonrvn | about same latitude as atlanta |
| 00:42.44 | gpm | ucr? |
| 00:42.51 | abrotman | ask maps.google |
| 00:42.53 | jelly-home | maybe it listened to the Pet Shop Boys. |
| 00:43.01 | simonrvn | stick those in maps.google.c ;) |
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| 00:43.51 | rhz | how can one determine which shell is running inside a terminal window? |
| 00:44.05 | gpm | ps? |
| 00:44.05 | dvs | rhz: ps -aux ? |
| 00:44.06 | abrotman | ps ? |
| 00:44.06 | jelly-home | rhz: pstree? |
| 00:44.23 | pike__ | echo $SHELL ? |
| 00:44.28 | frankr | ps faux ? |
| 00:44.42 | jelly-home | a faux answer |
| 00:44.46 | abrotman | echo $0 |
| 00:44.50 | pike__ | w |
| 00:44.50 | abrotman | if it's bash anyways |
| 00:45.21 | rhz | it seems to be bash, however my attempt to setup a .bash_profile file seem to not be working, the file gets ignored |
| 00:45.29 | simonrvn | IOW, there's a dozen ways to do it |
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| 00:45.36 | gpm | log out/in |
| 00:45.47 | simonrvn | works with zsh too |
| 00:45.54 | simonrvn | echo $0 |
| 00:46.13 | rhz | ok, I'll try logging out and in |
| 00:46.37 | jelly-home | hm... ps -l -P $PPID |
| 00:46.37 | mainer | yuh getent <username> $(whoami); getent <username> /etc/passwd might work |
| 00:47.14 | simonrvn | i get ...screen... ;) |
| 00:47.27 | jelly-home | simonrvn: so it's not inside a term. |
| 00:47.36 | simonrvn | inside uxterm |
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| 00:47.54 | jelly-home | processes within processes within processes |
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| 00:48.00 | simonrvn | yup ;) |
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| 00:48.13 | simonrvn | X session, uxterm, screen |
| 00:48.25 | rhz | still have same problem. .bash_profile seems to be ignored for some reason. |
| 00:48.40 | gpm | well first make sure it's bash |
| 00:48.41 | mainer | simonrvn: add irssi you're all set :) |
| 00:48.41 | simonrvn | bash -l not workie? |
| 00:48.48 | rhz | it is bash |
| 00:48.51 | jelly-home | rhz: is your shell invoked as "bash" or as "sh"? |
| 00:48.52 | simonrvn | this *is* irssi |
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| 00:49.04 | mainer | simonrvn: same here |
| 00:49.26 | jelly-home | rhz: ps -l -P $$ |
| 00:49.41 | rhz | 0 S 12180 32683 32681 1 0 75 0 - 819 wait pts/0 0:00 bash |
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| 00:50.14 | pike__ | my god #politics is depressing |
| 00:50.47 | gpm | pike__: same is true of politics, the real-life thing, not the channel |
| 00:51.04 | simonrvn | .profile is for sh .bash_profile for bash. gotta be a login shell for the profilefile to get read |
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| 00:51.28 | jelly-home | simonrvn: does it have a rc file it reads always? |
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| 00:51.43 | simonrvn | .bashrc for interactive |
| 00:52.10 | simonrvn | like .zshrc; zsh has .zshenv, .zlogin, and such |
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| 00:53.06 | Xenguy | pike__: sounds like a must-joiner :-) |
| 00:54.04 | jelly-home | Xenguy: if you're in a gay mood, join our channel and get rid of it! |
| 00:54.43 | pike__ | it makes me want to give everyone a hug and then walk outside and bang my head against the brick wall for about an hour |
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| 00:55.24 | abrotman | pike__: then /part .. no one is forcing you to be there *or* tell us about it |
| 00:55.47 | pike__ | yeah sry |
| 00:56.50 | jelly-home | simonrvn: ah. .zshenv gets read even in a noninteractive session (unless -f) |
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| 00:57.57 | jelly-home | rhz: so does your thing work in .bashrc? |
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| 01:01.29 | simonrvn | jelly-home: yeh |
| 01:01.42 | simonrvn | -f forces it to read nothing IIRC |
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| 01:04.52 | phr0zen | why am I getting permission denied :/ |
| 01:05.05 | gpm | rrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot |
| 01:05.26 | mainer | chown or chmod something |
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| 01:06.11 | jelly-home | something: file not found |
| 01:06.19 | mainer | lol |
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| 01:06.39 | gpm | chown or chmod: bad command or file name |
| 01:07.06 | jelly-home | you had to quote 'chown or chmod' for that |
| 01:07.24 | mainer | i meant change whatever he needs to run whatever asn't working |
| 01:07.31 | gpm | nah, bash and have an understanding |
| 01:07.55 | jelly-home | well, the described symptoms and the commands run weren't exactly extensive |
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| 01:08.08 | mainer | no indeed |
| 01:08.12 | rhz | yes, .bashrc does seem to work |
| 01:08.31 | gpm | phr0zen: if you are still trying to install apache, you need root priveleges |
| 01:08.46 | gpm | privileges |
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| 01:11.54 | akriel | Does anyone know if there is away to have two auth methods, ie. pam_radius_auth and then local. BUT have radius auth required for a certian group of users and the other required for anyone not in that group? I am having a pain trying to figure this out |
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| 01:12.57 | phr0zen | lol I like that "It Works" |
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| 01:16.17 | phr0zen | what should I chmod folders to that just I want to edit? right now im using 777? |
| 01:16.42 | abrotman | hi Wyzard ! |
| 01:17.18 | jelly-home | phr0zen: u=rwx,go=rx |
| 01:17.39 | jelly-home | phr0zen: and make them owned by yourself |
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| 01:19.01 | hochimoo | !key |
| 01:19.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 01:19.21 | jelly-home | phr0zen: then go read info coreutils 'File permissions' |
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| 01:20.01 | Wyzard | phr0zen: What folders are you trying to change permissions on? |
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| 01:20.11 | phr0zen | my apache ones for my server |
| 01:20.39 | phr0zen | .^$ /var/www for example |
| 01:20.47 | phr0zen | without the .(*^ stuff |
| 01:20.48 | phr0zen | lol |
| 01:20.58 | Wyzard | It's probably best to leave those owned by root |
| 01:21.30 | Wyzard | and use root for putting files there |
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| 01:22.09 | phr0zen | how do I use root |
| 01:22.18 | abrotman | su or sudo |
| 01:22.43 | Wyzard | "AMD releases 900+ pages of GPU specs", no NDA needed... nifty |
| 01:22.50 | sussudio | !find us.ktl |
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| 01:23.07 | abrotman | !find Piggy |
| 01:23.13 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'Piggy' returned no results. |
| 01:23.22 | jelly-home | !find carmen sandiego |
| 01:23.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'carmen sandiego' returned no results. |
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| 01:23.52 | sussudio | !find us.ktl |
| 01:23.58 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'us.ktl' returned no results. |
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| 01:24.02 | sussudio | hrm |
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| 01:24.32 | Casius_Dracul | how do I set the runlevel in debian "etch"? |
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| 01:24.45 | sussudio | make a rescue floppy, you bastard. |
| 01:24.55 | abrotman | Casius_Dracul: why? |
| 01:24.58 | dondelelcaro | Casius_Dracul: you edit /etc/inittab |
| 01:24.59 | dkr | default runlevel? edit /etc/inittab |
| 01:25.07 | Casius_Dracul | I hate gdm, kdm and xdm |
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| 01:25.29 | jelly-home | Casius_Dracul: uninstall them. |
| 01:25.30 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 01:25.30 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 01:25.34 | Casius_Dracul | did that set it to runlevel 3 |
| 01:25.44 | abrotman | that was silly |
| 01:26.28 | Casius_Dracul | ok |
| 01:26.34 | Casius_Dracul | thank you |
| 01:26.51 | abrotman | Casius_Dracul: fyi .. run levels 2-5 are the same in debian |
| 01:27.10 | Casius_Dracul | OH, ok |
| 01:27.18 | Casius_Dracul | abrotman: thanks |
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| 01:31.21 | Varange | which tool do I use to configure what starts up when the machine boots? |
| 01:32.06 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 01:32.10 | Varange | thx |
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| 01:41.08 | sussudio | i hate floppydisks. |
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| 01:41.52 | Varange | how do I check if mod-perl is installed and working please |
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| 01:43.28 | dondelelcaro | Varange: HEAD http://localhost; will tell you |
| 01:43.49 | Varange | thx |
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| 01:45.00 | fearpi | i've got an NTFS drive that won't mount, but i can use ntfsls and ntfscat to get individual files from the disk. is there anything i can try to correct it? |
| 01:45.04 | peterS | well, if you have libwww-perl installed, I don't recall whether it's installed by default |
| 01:45.07 | Varange | dondelelcaro, hmm, I don't understand the answer |
| 01:45.20 | dondelelcaro | it'd be pretty hard to have mod perl installed without libwww-perl |
| 01:45.20 | peterS | Varange: HEAD is a command you type. it requires the libwww-perl package to be installed |
| 01:45.33 | Varange | peterS, ahh thanks |
| 01:46.03 | dondelelcaro | !depends libapache2-mod-perl2 |
| 01:46.05 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-perl2: depends on apache2.2-common, perlapi-5.8.8, perl (>= 5.8.8-7), libwww-perl, libmime-base64-perl, libdevel-symdump-perl, liburi-perl, libapr1, libaprutil1, libc6 (>= 2.6-1), libperl5.8 (>= 5.8.8), libuuid1, netbase |
| 01:46.26 | Varange | peterS, I got a response. This presumably means that mod-perl is working? |
| 01:46.37 | peterS | Varange: read the response and see whether the server version talks about mod-perl |
| 01:46.42 | \amethyst | Varange: Look at the Server: line |
| 01:46.43 | dondelelcaro | Varange: what you need to look at is the Server: line |
| 01:46.47 | Varange | thanks |
| 01:46.59 | Varange | Server: Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) mod_python/3.2.10 Python/2.4.4 PHP/5.2.0-8+etch7 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 |
| 01:47.01 | Varange | :) |
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| 01:53.49 | P_Kable | did you guys tried ubuntu ? I just installed it and it's neat ! :-) |
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| 01:54.24 | P_Kable | it is basically an enhanced Debian :) |
| 01:54.39 | geo-rge | enhebian |
| 01:54.45 | P_Kable | :) |
| 01:54.51 | CcSsNET | ill stick wit debian thx |
| 01:54.54 | CcSsNET | haha |
| 01:54.54 | geo-rge | !based on |
| 01:54.55 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has less people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 01:55.11 | P_Kable | huh ? |
| 01:55.25 | geo-rge | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is n... |
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| 01:55.46 | P_Kable | well the ubuntu word generates that, I did not know |
| 01:56.06 | geo-rge | and btw :) ubuntu is debian unstable worked on for 6 months |
| 01:56.41 | geo-rge | P_Kable: I guess ubuntu is ok... but it |
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| 01:57.12 | geo-rge | is different from debian... the only thing that's close really is the package mgr |
| 01:57.16 | abrotman | P_Kable: go to #ubuntu |
| 01:57.20 | qmr | How do I make dirs in a listing from ls output in a light blue, instead of a navy blue that's fucking impossible to see? |
| 01:57.31 | abrotman | change the ls colors |
| 01:57.39 | dalias | um |
| 01:57.45 | dalias | the default is light blue |
| 01:57.52 | dalias | the terminal emulator is probably setup wrong |
| 01:58.01 | dalias | and incorrectly displaying light blue as dark blue w/bold font |
| 01:58.04 | qmr | well, this is on a CentOS box I'm sshing to |
| 01:58.05 | geo-rge | qmr: try setting your term to black lettering on white background |
| 01:58.15 | \amethyst | dalias: that's not necessarily incorrect |
| 01:58.17 | qmr | geo-rge: that is most awful advice ever |
| 01:58.36 | dalias | \amethyst, yeah it is, the vt100 manual describes ESC[1m as "intensity bold" |
| 01:58.46 | dalias | i.e. making the text brighter |
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| 01:59.03 | abrotman | qmr: echo $LS_COLORS |
| 01:59.15 | dalias | i'm pretty sure the problem is bad config for the terminal |
| 01:59.21 | dalias | which terminal are you using, qmr ? |
| 01:59.32 | abrotman | maybe it's the temperature of his monitor! |
| 01:59.34 | qmr | dalias: xfce4-terminal , it works as expected locally and when I ssh to other boxes |
| 01:59.41 | dalias | ah.. |
| 01:59.45 | geo-rge | 42 degrees! |
| 01:59.46 | qmr | abrotman: what do I grep for? |
| 01:59.46 | abrotman | qmr: compare local vs remote $LS_COLORS |
| 01:59.48 | dalias | then it prolly is the centos stuff |
| 01:59.55 | qmr | CentOS = fag |
| 02:00.00 | abrotman | qmr: stop |
| 02:00.00 | qmr | why does anyone use it? :p |
| 02:00.44 | geo-rge | qmr: whatever... I find that I can read all the ls colors that are the default usng black on white |
| 02:00.46 | mainer | geo-rge: 60 here |
| 02:00.59 | dalias | geo-rge, black-on-white is very lame |
| 02:01.09 | abrotman | just fucking drop it |
| 02:01.11 | mainer | gray on white rulez |
| 02:01.14 | qmr | geo-rge: Right. But what about the fact that your term looks like a light bulb? I spend HOURS and HOURS in front of computers. |
| 02:01.15 | dalias | it's hard on the eyes for one thing |
| 02:01.28 | dalias | black background is the one true way |
| 02:01.30 | dalias | but regardless |
| 02:01.33 | geo-rge | qmr, dalias: there is that |
| 02:01.34 | qmr | dalias: yes |
| 02:01.38 | abrotman | dalias: put the whole channel on /ig .. it'd be easier for us |
| 02:01.39 | dalias | telling qmr to change his bg color is the wrong solution |
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| 02:01.56 | dalias | the problem seems to be centos's ls colors |
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| 02:01.59 | mainer | if you prefer lighter ,antique-white is easier on eyes |
| 02:02.03 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 02:02.56 | dalias | white is very hard on eyes if you use a crt |
| 02:02.58 | dalias | due to flicker |
| 02:03.06 | dalias | and just the intensity of the light |
| 02:03.08 | abrotman | dalias: shut up about it already |
| 02:03.10 | geo-rge | dalias: but everywhere I go pretty much, I see something more serious |
| 02:03.18 | dalias | for lcd it's less stressful |
| 02:03.20 | mainer | yes ,i prefer darker myself |
| 02:03.25 | geo-rge | which is the flicker when the monitor is set to 60 hz |
| 02:03.29 | dalias | abrotman, gee, i'm not trying to flame |
| 02:03.33 | abrotman | you are |
| 02:03.46 | geo-rge | firestarter :P |
| 02:03.50 | dalias | ok i'll say then "it hurts my eyes" |
| 02:03.52 | dalias | better? |
| 02:04.10 | dalias | btw |
| 02:04.14 | mainer | all are good,just different lol peace |
| 02:04.23 | dalias | am i sick for liking the default x rootwindow pattern? |
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| 02:04.44 | dalias | just curious if i'm the only one who uses it |
| 02:04.46 | geo-rge | you mean that grey checkerboard looking thing? |
| 02:05.00 | dalias | yeah, not really checkerboard, more like a sort of weave |
| 02:05.04 | amphi | dalias: the stipple? I quite like that ;) |
| 02:05.08 | mainer | what wm? |
| 02:05.22 | geo-rge | mainer: no wm, no nothing, just x |
| 02:05.27 | mainer | ohh |
| 02:05.29 | dalias | just the default when an X server is started, before there's even any wm or any clients at all |
| 02:05.40 | mainer | ok gotcha |
| 02:05.57 | dalias | the stipple looks very bad on a crt set to a mode higher than it's meant to handle :P |
| 02:06.13 | dalias | but it looks nice on lcd or if you keep the resolution to a sane limit on crt, imo |
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| 02:06.50 | JeremyK | ok, so apparently Replaces: in a package control file doesn't |
| 02:07.00 | JeremyK | doesn't take a version as an argument? |
| 02:07.14 | geo-rge | dalias: well when I first saw that, my hd started swapping like crazy |
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| 02:07.29 | dalias | geo-rge, ? |
| 02:07.33 | qmr | What file controls my LS_COLORS? /etc/profile? |
| 02:07.42 | geo-rge | apparantly, I had to upgrade from my 4mb ram |
| 02:07.49 | fearpi | haha |
| 02:07.58 | dalias | geo-rge, lol |
| 02:08.20 | geo-rge | up to that point, 4 mb was -fine- |
| 02:08.35 | geo-rge | so I'm like... X -sucks- |
| 02:08.38 | fearpi | excessive, really |
| 02:08.42 | fearpi | 640k should be enough for anybody |
| 02:09.17 | geo-rge | I could even compile my kernel in like an hour or so |
| 02:09.36 | mainer | qmr: ~/.bashrc or bash_profile usually if you're asking what i think |
| 02:09.48 | CcSsNET | with 4mb ram? |
| 02:09.54 | dalias | 4mb is very difficult for a multi-user or even multi-process system |
| 02:09.58 | geo-rge | I think my 486 was running at like 32 mhz |
| 02:09.58 | CcSsNET | hour or so kernel compile??? |
| 02:10.03 | dalias | it's a plenty to run a single task |
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| 02:10.23 | CcSsNET | i think not on that compile haha |
| 02:10.40 | dalias | ccssnet, old gcc was much faster and less memory-intensive |
| 02:10.47 | CcSsNET | o |
| 02:10.52 | CcSsNET | ok |
| 02:10.57 | dalias | compiling in an hour on 486 with 4mb ram sounds unlikely |
| 02:11.00 | geo-rge | I don't remember whether we were at kernel-2.x yet or not |
| 02:11.03 | dalias | but with 16mb ram i could believe it |
| 02:11.22 | dalias | also linux (kernel) was much less bloated back then |
| 02:11.24 | amphi | qmr: an 5 dir_colors perhaps |
| 02:11.28 | dalias | so there was a lot less to compile |
| 02:11.29 | geo-rge | dalias: well you have to understand, I didn't like ide |
| 02:11.31 | geo-rge | at all |
| 02:11.40 | dalias | ide? |
| 02:11.49 | geo-rge | scsi all the way |
| 02:11.51 | dalias | ah |
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| 02:12.04 | dalias | linux has sadly always had atrociously bad scsi support :( |
| 02:12.09 | dalias | for actual scsi controllers |
| 02:12.17 | mainer | i had an old boot magazine debian 1 disk,basically just core-utils and deselect iirc |
| 02:12.18 | dalias | i used to use a scsi cdrw drive |
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| 02:12.29 | dalias | but the scsi controller was always locking up and taking the system down with it |
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| 02:12.39 | qmr | abrotman: I still have the issue after I set manuall LS_COLORS |
| 02:12.42 | geo-rge | mainer: I have that issue around somewhere |
| 02:12.52 | mainer | yup |
| 02:12.54 | dalias | now, the same happens with atapi dvd-rw drive :( |
| 02:13.08 | dalias | i think i need to switch to only using external usb optical drives |
| 02:13.09 | abrotman | qmr: were they even different ? |
| 02:13.16 | dalias | so that if they hang i can just unplug the usb |
| 02:13.31 | geo-rge | dalias: I had good luck with my scsi stuff |
| 02:13.32 | abrotman | qmr: did you export it ? |
| 02:13.39 | qmr | abrotman: I set it in /etc/profile |
| 02:13.44 | dalias | geo-rge, i had good luck with my scsi scanner |
| 02:13.44 | geo-rge | never had a result like that |
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| 02:13.48 | qmr | dalias: I'll sell you a liteon :D |
| 02:13.58 | dalias | but eventually i switched for usb |
| 02:14.08 | dalias | qmr, a liteon external usb dvdrw? |
| 02:14.10 | Daveman | awesome |
| 02:14.23 | Daveman | mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660' |
| 02:14.32 | dalias | qmr, how much? good working condition? where would it be shipping from? |
| 02:14.34 | qmr | dalias: yes |
| 02:14.52 | qmr | dalias: I dunno. $75? I think I paid $125 for it Shipping from .us |
| 02:15.01 | geo-rge | I also like asus mobos, especially that sp3g |
| 02:15.05 | qmr | dalias: works super. |
| 02:15.17 | dalias | ah, shipping back to us would prolly be really expensive :( |
| 02:15.29 | dalias | i can buy a new external dvdrw drive as bestbuy for about $150 |
| 02:15.58 | dalias | but i might just get a usb adapter/enclosure for the drive i have |
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| 02:16.11 | geo-rge | the asus sp3g had builtin scsi |
| 02:16.13 | dalias | also i need to get a modern usb controller card if i do |
| 02:16.20 | dalias | because usb 1.x is too slow for dvd use |
| 02:16.24 | qmr | dalias: why would you ship it back? |
| 02:16.32 | dalias | i'm in usa |
| 02:16.37 | dalias | apparently you're not? |
| 02:16.47 | dalias | or was i confused |
| 02:16.52 | qmr | dalias: .us is generally meant as United States |
| 02:16.59 | dalias | ah ok |
| 02:17.08 | dalias | i misunderstood you |
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| 02:17.21 | dalias | when you said 'shipping form .us' i thought you meant to another country |
| 02:18.03 | nvz | he didn't say .us he said "us" |
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| 02:18.19 | nvz | usually means me and someone else |
| 02:18.22 | geo-rge | us == me him n her |
| 02:18.59 | qmr | Hm. so I am looking at .bash_history after I told support to install a package in my CentOS vps. I think the tech that did it was clueless.. |
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| 02:19.36 | qmr | Tried like 10 .rpm files to install yum |
| 02:20.11 | abrotman | qmr: ask #centos |
| 02:20.12 | geo-rge | when in debian that functionality would already be in the base |
| 02:20.27 | geo-rge | it's just nice that way :) |
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| 02:20.39 | qmr | yea. I think I need to get a debian vps. costs a little more, but I don't think I want to learn RH |
| 02:20.57 | geo-rge | that's dumb, why should it cost more? |
| 02:21.08 | abrotman | why does it matter? |
| 02:21.31 | qmr | xen vs virtuozzo. xen means each OS has its own kernel, in virtuozzo they share 1 kernel |
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| 02:21.46 | qmr | although, you can run different distros with virtuozzo, I don't know why they don't let you.. |
| 02:22.03 | abrotman | that doesn't make any sense |
| 02:22.13 | geo-rge | yeah, that seems dumb on their part |
| 02:22.33 | qmr | what part, exactly? the lack of choice, or the not using debian? |
| 02:22.52 | abrotman | the guy making the tech decisions :) |
| 02:22.55 | geo-rge | the lack of choice with the one kernel sharing thing |
| 02:23.14 | geo-rge | probably they want the money |
| 02:23.15 | qmr | also, there is someone in India currently logged into my box as root, idle for 45m. should I be mad about that? |
| 02:23.54 | geo-rge | qmr: how is india related to your provider if at all? |
| 02:24.16 | qmr | geo-rge: I don't know how. I'm guessing they have techs there, since it's much cheaper than hiring americans |
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| 02:25.38 | geo-rge | you could write a buncha beeps, and say WAKE UP YOU! whatcha doin on my box? |
| 02:26.18 | jdavis_ | After a recent "aptitude dist-upgrade" on unstable, now iceweasel is very strange. It starts to load a page, then while waiting for a host to respond, just hangs. It eventually works, sometimes. Epiphany works just fine. |
| 02:26.48 | qmr | geo-rge: I did write on the wall and ask wtf. I don't think beeps would be heard over ssh |
| 02:26.54 | geo-rge | maybe I should upgrade to the new etch |
| 02:26.57 | qmr | jdavis_: any extensions? |
| 02:27.24 | abrotman | yes they can |
| 02:27.40 | geo-rge | I'll bb... O |
| 02:27.43 | geo-rge | I |
| 02:27.53 | geo-rge | gonna upgrade in text mode |
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| 02:27.57 | jdavis_ | qmr: I have nspluginwrapper and flash |
| 02:28.07 | jdavis_ | qmr: I am on AMD64 |
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| 02:30.33 | jdavis_ | qmr: But it's not just on flash sites though, slashdot is a good example of a site that will hang. |
| 02:30.48 | qmr | jdavis_: I would just not visit slashdot |
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| 02:31.36 | jdavis_ | qmr: that's probably good advice, but there are other sites as well. |
| 02:31.38 | qmr | jdavis_: tried "safe mode"? |
| 02:32.02 | jdavis_ | qmr: nope, how do I do that? |
| 02:32.21 | mainer | menu |
| 02:32.42 | abrotman | i thought there was flash for amd64 now |
| 02:32.51 | jdavis_ | abrotman: really? |
| 02:33.05 | abrotman | i can't remember ... |
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| 02:33.37 | jdavis_ | tried to visit adobe, and now my browser is hung again |
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| 02:34.40 | jdavis_ | what is this safe mode? |
| 02:35.06 | abrotman | jdavis_: it's when FF/IW fucks up .. |
| 02:35.12 | qmr | jdavis_: -safe-mode , I think |
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| 02:35.24 | jdavis_ | qmr: ok |
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| 02:36.47 | jdavis_ | crashes in safe mode with extensions disabled, too |
| 02:36.55 | jdavis_ | probably an AMD64 issue |
| 02:37.04 | abrotman | probably an IW issue |
| 02:37.14 | jdavis_ | ok |
| 02:37.32 | jdavis_ | well, thanks anyway guys. I guess I'm stuck until it's magically fixed |
| 02:37.53 | abrotman | use epiphany :) |
| 02:37.57 | jdavis_ | I'll look for a bug report and file one |
| 02:38.01 | jdavis_ | epiphany works great |
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| 02:38.44 | IceGuest_75 | is the amd64 java-plugin ready? |
| 02:39.01 | keith4 | anyone have any insight on how to make power management turn off an LCD? |
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| 02:39.15 | IceGuest_75 | keith4, i know |
| 02:39.20 | IceGuest_75 | xset dpms 0 1 0 |
| 02:39.23 | stoned | iceweasel is good |
| 02:39.36 | abrotman | for java5 yes |
| 02:39.45 | IceGuest_75 | abrotman, it's out |
| 02:39.52 | IceGuest_75 | when did it get released? |
| 02:39.58 | keith4 | IceGuest_75 does that stick? |
| 02:40.08 | IceGuest_75 | keith4, yes it sticks |
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| 02:40.18 | pike__ | opera is nice except when its not |
| 02:40.19 | IceGuest_75 | but if you bind it set a bind to unbind it |
| 02:40.52 | IceGuest_75 | er set a bind to unset it |
| 02:41.00 | IceGuest_75 | like xset dpms 0 999 0 |
| 02:41.08 | keith4 | what does that do? |
| 02:41.42 | IceGuest_75 | sets the poweroff interval |
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| 02:41.54 | IceGuest_75 | screensaver poweroff |
| 02:42.18 | IceGuest_75 | abrotman, was it like just released? |
| 02:42.33 | keith4 | why do i need to set a bind to unset it? |
| 02:42.50 | abrotman | IceGuest_75: doh .. i was wrong |
| 02:43.07 | IceGuest_75 | keith4, because it will keep turning the monitors power off, if you move the mouse it will flash on and off |
| 02:43.07 | abrotman | IceGuest_75: there's a java6 jre for amd64 .. but not a plugin .. and the java5 plugin is i386 |
| 02:43.27 | qmr | Can I install Debian over a Redhat OS that I have ssh access to? |
| 02:43.33 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:43.33 | IceGuest_75 | oh yeah i can't wait for the plugin |
| 02:43.41 | abrotman | but your ISP will probably void your contract |
| 02:44.20 | keith4 | ah, thanks IceGuest_75 |
| 02:44.21 | qmr | abrotman: link? google terms? |
| 02:44.30 | qmr | I'll void you... *shakes fist* |
| 02:44.33 | abrotman | qmr: you need to ask your provider first |
| 02:44.36 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 02:44.36 | dpkg | i guess debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 02:45.07 | abrotman | if you don't have a good idea of what you're doing .. you probably odn't want to use it |
| 02:45.31 | keith4 | easy to screw up... and with only ssh access, you're screwed |
| 02:45.52 | qmr | well, there is some sort of control panel thingie where I can reset the VPS |
| 02:46.00 | IceGuest_75 | is the monitor changing colors a monitor problem or a fried video card? |
| 02:46.13 | abrotman | sounds like normal video! :) |
| 02:46.20 | IceGuest_75 | lol |
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| 02:46.26 | IceGuest_75 | seriously |
| 02:46.28 | abrotman | IceGuest_75: you mean where a color just falls out? like the screen goes pink ? |
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| 02:46.34 | IceGuest_75 | yeah |
| 02:46.47 | abrotman | bad cable/pin |
| 02:46.48 | semprix | IceGuest_75: id say its a monitor problem |
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| 02:47.34 | force | has anyone here had any experience with tap interfaces and user mode linux? |
| 02:48.06 | IceGuest_75 | abrotman, nothing changed, why would it be the cable or pin |
| 02:48.11 | keith4 | how are suspend and standby different with an LCD? |
| 02:48.17 | force | loose cable? |
| 02:48.25 | force | lose rather :) |
| 02:48.25 | abrotman | IceGuest_75: not making contact |
| 02:48.27 | IceGuest_75 | no |
| 02:48.30 | abrotman | force: loose |
| 02:48.36 | force | lol |
| 02:48.50 | abrotman | IceGuest_75: you can see inside the cable ? |
| 02:48.55 | abrotman | IceGuest_75: alternately .. ask #hardware |
| 02:48.59 | IceGuest_75 | brb, ill check |
| 02:49.05 | abrotman | check what? |
| 02:49.21 | keith4 | ... if he can see inside the cable |
| 02:49.29 | abrotman | IceGuest_75: also might be a warm-up issue .. i had one that would do the pink thing until it had been on for about 10 minutes |
| 02:49.39 | abrotman | oh well .. whatever |
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| 02:50.03 | mudge | hello |
| 02:50.11 | mudge | may i ask for some advice? |
| 02:50.17 | force | is it an integrated graphics vga port? |
| 02:50.34 | semprix | abrotman: are you using sid? or testing? |
| 02:50.41 | krazykit | !tell mudge about ask |
| 02:50.46 | abrotman | lenny on this machine |
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| 02:51.08 | mudge | okay, i'm running fiesty fawn ubuntu, and all of a sudden my sound isn't working at all and i get this errror "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found" |
| 02:51.11 | mudge | any suggestions? |
| 02:51.14 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 02:51.18 | Ronin | mudge: #ubuntu |
| 02:51.24 | abrotman | !beer Ronin |
| 02:51.36 | Ronin | ahh,hits the spot abrotman |
| 02:51.50 | qmr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.06 | keith4 | wow |
| 02:52.11 | keith4 | how many times a day does that happen? |
| 02:52.11 | mudge | no one in ubuntu will help me |
| 02:52.15 | dakoo | whats going on here |
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| 02:52.17 | qmr | dalias: buy my dvdrw! |
| 02:52.18 | krazykit | keith4, many many. |
| 02:52.25 | stoned | mudge: that is too bad |
| 02:52.28 | abrotman | mudge: and we can't help you .. we hav eno idea about ubuntu |
| 02:52.31 | Ronin | keith4: more then we'd like, i swear ubuntu users cant read ;) |
| 02:52.33 | dondelelcaro | mudge: then try their forums or similar. This channel is for supporting #debian. |
| 02:52.36 | stoned | mudge: when you start using debian, we'll help you |
| 02:52.40 | Ronin | mudge: seriously we dont know about ubuntu |
| 02:52.40 | keith4 | lol |
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| 02:52.53 | mudge | huh, hello, ubuntu is ontop of debian |
| 02:52.54 | dakoo | ubuntu is for sissy people |
| 02:53.03 | vin` | !sing abrotman |
| 02:53.03 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 02:53.05 | stoned | !based on debian |
| 02:53.05 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has less people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 02:53.05 | abrotman | mudge: it is not |
| 02:53.06 | mudge | ubuntu is a glorified version of debian |
| 02:53.19 | mudge | it runs apt-get and stuff |
| 02:53.25 | qmr | Every time I submit a support ticket at this place, they send my login and password in an email to me. This really upsets me. Isn't this bad practice? |
| 02:53.28 | Ronin | mudge: no its not |
| 02:53.30 | abrotman | mudge: and suse and RH run rpm |
| 02:53.33 | Penix | a mercedes is a glorified version of a ford then, eh? |
| 02:53.38 | keith4 | if it were debian, i'd suggest installing alsa |
| 02:53.42 | stoned | Penix: strike. |
| 02:53.45 | Penix | I can call mercedes for ford repairs? |
| 02:53.49 | keith4 | mudge: i can get apt-get to run on OS X.. does that make it debian? |
| 02:53.51 | Penix | yay! |
| 02:53.55 | abrotman | Penix: no but mercedes owns dodge! :) |
| 02:54.04 | mudge | but maybe you can help me |
| 02:54.11 | stoned | mudge: try ##linux |
| 02:54.18 | keith4 | shouldn't that 'based on debian' blurb say "fewer people", not "less people"? |
| 02:54.28 | stoned | keith4: yes |
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| 02:54.31 | vin` | keith4: fix it |
| 02:54.36 | Ronin | mudge: sure type /j #ubuntu |
| 02:54.50 | keith4 | #ubuntu will help, just be patient |
| 02:54.50 | semprix | abrotman: im going to test lenny |
| 02:54.55 | semprix | im currently on etch |
| 02:55.03 | GarryFre | mudge A good way to get info on setting up any distro, sound, etc, etc, is to check out the reviews for your distro/version on www.distrowatch.com Screen shots, often the whole shebang. |
| 02:55.06 | \amethyst | dpkg based on debian =~ s/less p/fewer p/ |
| 02:55.06 | dpkg | OK, \amethyst |
| 02:55.22 | keith4 | whoa |
| 02:55.25 | keith4 | i didn't know you could do that |
| 02:55.27 | keith4 | that's awesome! |
| 02:55.35 | keith4 | it parses regexps?! |
| 02:55.38 | \amethyst | no |
| 02:55.45 | \amethyst | just fixed string search and replace |
| 02:55.48 | keith4 | oh |
| 02:55.54 | keith4 | still |
| 02:56.01 | stoned | !enter |
| 02:56.01 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 02:56.01 | jbm | get supybot. |
| 02:56.12 | stoned | annoying. |
| 02:56.18 | semprix | when you go dist-upgrade does it eat up another space on my hd? |
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| 02:56.25 | keith4 | sorry, sorry. i've been drinking |
| 02:56.29 | abrotman | semprix: it'll tell you |
| 02:56.32 | GarryFre | No, semprix |
| 02:56.53 | abrotman | semprix: it's likely to use a marginal bit more .. and then also the package cache(which you can clean later) |
| 02:56.54 | stoned | semprix: it downloads packages and then proceeds to install them. You can try apt-get clean |
| 02:57.09 | stoned | semprix: it will delete the packages stored in cache |
| 02:57.12 | force | pass the blunt :/ |
| 02:57.17 | semprix | ok thanks |
| 02:57.18 | stoned | free up some space there |
| 02:57.27 | mudge | i have this error: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found anybody have any idea how to fix? |
| 02:57.34 | Ronin | yes install debian |
| 02:57.39 | abrotman | mudge: please ask #ubuntu .. you've been told numerous times |
| 02:57.54 | mudge | i already asked ubuntu |
| 02:57.57 | abrotman | ask again |
| 02:58.02 | abrotman | or ask tmorrow |
| 02:58.07 | abrotman | mudge: we cannot help you |
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| 02:58.19 | stoned | so wait for an answer there |
| 02:58.21 | Ronin | mudge: ask #ubuntu and be patient |
| 02:58.22 | stoned | or don't use ubuntu |
| 02:58.35 | mudge | okay, thanks |
| 02:58.36 | Daveman | heehee |
| 02:58.41 | Daveman | mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660' |
| 02:58.41 | \amethyst | mudge: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=121621 |
| 02:58.42 | abrotman | mudge: if you persist in asking here . you're likely to get kicked |
| 02:58.52 | \amethyst | mudge: you might want to try google next time |
| 02:58.56 | vin` | !badgerknoppix |
| 02:58.56 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 02:58.57 | Daveman | :P |
| 02:59.04 | stoned | \amethyst: don't do that |
| 02:59.15 | Daveman | hey abrotman :) |
| 02:59.16 | force | ok, so i have a user mode linux kernel, i have setup tap0 with 192.168.1.201 and the uml kernel using eth0 192.168.1.200, do i need to bridge the interfaces or route the interfaces? my topology is server->switch->router(nat)->internet |
| 02:59.17 | stoned | wtf |
| 02:59.19 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 02:59.29 | abrotman | Daveman: i was going to harass you in #web the other day ... |
| 02:59.36 | Penix | yay for 'free software' and yay for warmth and fuzziness |
| 02:59.37 | Daveman | Oh? :) |
| 02:59.44 | Daveman | I guess I missed out on that... huh? |
| 02:59.44 | abrotman | i wasn't there long |
| 02:59.50 | Daveman | Aw |
| 02:59.55 | abrotman | they didn't actually help :) |
| 03:00.05 | Daveman | damn, too bad ;) |
| 03:00.19 | abrotman | i can't blame them .. javascript sucks |
| 03:00.36 | Daveman | haha |
| 03:00.41 | Daveman | next time try ##javascript :p |
| 03:00.46 | Daveman | and yes, it does :) |
| 03:00.59 | Nyle | borat |
| 03:01.06 | force | what's with the double hashes in channel names |
| 03:01.09 | abrotman | eegads .. 168 people |
| 03:01.13 | Nyle | unofficial ? |
| 03:01.14 | abrotman | force: unofficial channels |
| 03:01.18 | force | oh i see |
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| 03:01.35 | Nyle | for example, ##windows |
| 03:01.59 | Nyle | also #hardware recently went to ## |
| 03:02.16 | Daveman | freenode is just silly. |
| 03:02.21 | Penix | you are |
| 03:02.24 | dalias | qmr, for $75 including shipping? isn't that a bit much? |
| 03:02.27 | qmr | ############debian |
| 03:02.29 | Daveman | Leaving so soon, abrotman? |
| 03:02.32 | Daveman | qmr, indeed |
| 03:02.34 | dalias | i bet used ones go for about $50 on ebay |
| 03:02.36 | abrotman | i'm tired! |
| 03:02.37 | qmr | dalias: it is an AWESOME deal |
| 03:02.44 | dalias | :) |
| 03:02.44 | qmr | dalias: Not used by a ROCK STAR |
| 03:02.48 | force | well considering they're $30 wholesale |
| 03:02.48 | dalias | :))) |
| 03:02.52 | force | or cheaper. |
| 03:03.01 | qmr | "Pray I don't alter the deal further" |
| 03:03.04 | dalias | force, external usb dvdrw? |
| 03:03.10 | dalias | i doubt that |
| 03:03.11 | force | oh maybe not external |
| 03:03.17 | qmr | external are more expensive |
| 03:03.22 | Nyle | use the force |
| 03:03.30 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:03.30 | dakoo | you should get blueray now |
| 03:03.34 | Nyle | i wanted to say that |
| 03:03.35 | dalias | external was the whole point, altho i could just get an adapter for my drive |
| 03:03.38 | dalias | btw |
| 03:03.48 | dalias | is linux support for burning to external usb optical drives good? |
| 03:03.49 | Nyle | blueray man, i dunno |
| 03:03.50 | segment | well $50 on ebay is a good deal then |
| 03:04.02 | dalias | (i.e. do growisofs and cdrdao work with it?) |
| 03:04.15 | qmr | dalias: yes. it works super |
| 03:04.19 | qmr | 0 coasters, to date |
| 03:04.26 | Nyle | screw cds, we need infinitely rewritable holographic storage |
| 03:04.26 | segment | lol |
| 03:04.28 | dakoo | it's down to 400 bucks now, blueray |
| 03:04.31 | Nyle | prefrebly through usb |
| 03:04.34 | Nyle | :D |
| 03:04.42 | dalias | a drive with burnproof (which is always-on and part of the standard for dvd) should never coaster |
| 03:04.49 | qmr | dalias: $75 seems about what you'd pay on ebay. I'll even throw in FREE OEM NERO and PowerDVD.. |
| 03:04.50 | segment | yeah apparently someone has working on one of those holographic storage devices |
| 03:04.55 | segment | using diamonds |
| 03:04.56 | dalias | lol |
| 03:05.05 | qmr | You can currently purchase holo storage |
| 03:05.06 | dalias | i dont need proprietary windowsware with it :P |
| 03:05.08 | Nyle | no no thats too expensive |
| 03:05.08 | qmr | it's not that great yet though |
| 03:05.17 | Nyle | well umm |
| 03:05.23 | Nyle | aren't blueray kinda holographic |
| 03:05.33 | qmr | Nyle: no, it's optical you turd :p |
| 03:05.41 | Nyle | well what is holographic? |
| 03:05.51 | Nyle | it is also optical |
| 03:05.54 | pipeline | dalias: for some value of coaster |
| 03:05.58 | dalias | :) |
| 03:06.04 | Quintin | dalias: PM? |
| 03:06.04 | Nyle | kinda |
| 03:06.04 | pipeline | the fun thing is that some drives can't read discs written with burn-free |
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| 03:06.31 | dalias | sounds like a myth to me.. unless you mean REALLY old audio players from the 80s |
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| 03:06.42 | pipeline | "really old audio players from the 80s" are still manufactured, dalias |
| 03:06.44 | pipeline | not all the world is a PC |
| 03:06.47 | Nyle | Holographic memory is a technology that can store information at high density inside crystals or photopolymers. Current storage techniques such as DVD use multiple layers to store information in the volume. |
| 03:06.51 | Nyle | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_memory |
| 03:06.54 | Nyle | thank you very much |
| 03:07.01 | pipeline | many, many drives won't read discs burned at high speed, or discs burned with burn-free |
| 03:07.08 | segment | oh so they do exist |
| 03:07.22 | pipeline | the variable spacing from sloppily burned high-speed discs, and the gaps caused by a burn-free pause, are too much for many CD drives :\ |
| 03:07.45 | Nyle | we need ultra high density nvram |
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| 03:07.57 | dalias | there's one for $60 buy-it-now on ebay ($60 including shipping) |
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| 03:08.10 | Nyle | 1tb flashram won't be bad |
| 03:08.12 | npt | ;j #slackware |
| 03:08.14 | Nyle | in a keychain |
| 03:08.17 | segment | yeah only problem with nvram is io speeds |
| 03:08.22 | Nyle | yeh |
| 03:08.29 | Nyle | but its good portable storage |
| 03:08.32 | dalias | pipeline, this sounds like schilly's propaganda |
| 03:08.34 | Nyle | and fairly ok speed |
| 03:08.39 | dalias | not actual fact |
| 03:08.51 | pipeline | dalias: schily's an asshole, and a little crazy, but that doesn't change the facts |
| 03:08.54 | dalias | modern audio players are all made to read burned discs |
| 03:09.02 | dalias | schilly is an idiot too |
| 03:09.06 | Nyle | well io speed on high density storage would be slow |
| 03:09.32 | segment | well solid state as well |
| 03:09.38 | Quintin | "STATE GOVERNMENT SAYS LINUX WAS TOO BIG A RISK" |
| 03:09.39 | segment | :o |
| 03:09.44 | Quintin | silly microsoft ads. |
| 03:09.51 | dalias | lol |
| 03:09.55 | dalias | and ms isn't a risk? |
| 03:09.59 | Nyle | ntfs3g mounts ntfs drives, however they are owned by root. I can't write to them as user. whats going on? |
| 03:10.05 | Nyle | does anyone know ntfs3g? |
| 03:10.17 | dalias | nyle, um duh. you have to give user permissions if you want to |
| 03:10.29 | pipeline | dalias: old ones usually work fine; I can play CD-Rs in my CD player from 1984 :P |
| 03:10.29 | dalias | random users being able to write to your disk by default would not be very sane... |
| 03:10.33 | Nyle | dalias: well, as user i can delete em and move em around |
| 03:10.37 | semprix | ntfs3g mess up my windows partition lately :( |
| 03:10.37 | Nyle | i just can't write |
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| 03:10.44 | Nyle | which is weird |
| 03:10.44 | sarixe | is there a howto on using m-a for ati fglrx install? |
| 03:10.48 | sarixe | i found one once |
| 03:10.50 | sarixe | but i can't again |
| 03:10.54 | Nyle | !fglrx one-liner |
| 03:10.54 | dpkg | fglrx one-liner is, like, update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 03:10.59 | dalias | nyle, weird, did you use strange mount options? |
| 03:11.06 | Nyle | dalias: not at all |
| 03:11.07 | sarixe | thanks Nyle |
| 03:11.09 | Nyle | sure |
| 03:11.13 | dalias | the mount options have separate settings for diretory permissions and file permissions iirc |
| 03:11.20 | dalias | directory permissions would let you delete and move |
| 03:11.23 | dalias | but not write to files |
| 03:11.28 | Nyle | i have never used ntfs3g and i admit i don't know how it works |
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| 03:12.33 | Nyle | dalias: which options should i give it |
| 03:12.47 | dalias | show me the options you used to mount it |
| 03:12.52 | Nyle | /dev/sdb1 /home/stoned/NTFS ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0 |
| 03:13.19 | Nyle | i've tried rw,uid=blah,gid=blah |
| 03:13.21 | Nyle | no dice at all |
| 03:13.32 | dalias | hmm |
| 03:13.33 | dalias | weird |
| 03:13.46 | dalias | uid=blah (needs to be a number not a name) shoudl set who the 'owner' is |
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| 03:13.54 | Nyle | 1000 |
| 03:13.55 | Daveman | uggh |
| 03:13.57 | dalias | however ntfs may have its own ownership system internally |
| 03:14.07 | segment | tried umask? |
| 03:14.11 | Nyle | yes |
| 03:14.14 | Nyle | 022 |
| 03:14.26 | dalias | btw is that 'locale=' thing new? |
| 03:14.36 | dalias | i've never seen that way of specifying utf-8 before.. |
| 03:14.47 | Nyle | i read it somewhere |
| 03:14.51 | Nyle | looked it up, made sense |
| 03:15.07 | Nyle | i got some files with arabic filenames |
| 03:15.21 | Nyle | ramadan is tomorrow |
| 03:15.29 | dalias | the 'utf8' option is the way i know to do it |
| 03:15.29 | Nyle | gotta listen to the quran and stuff :D |
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| 03:15.40 | semprix | Nyle: are you an arab? |
| 03:15.41 | dalias | :D |
| 03:15.45 | Nyle | nope |
| 03:15.49 | dalias | not all muslims are arab, semprix |
| 03:15.58 | semprix | ohh i see |
| 03:15.59 | Nyle | i am a pothead |
| 03:16.00 | segment | try umask=0000 |
| 03:16.02 | Nyle | if that helps |
| 03:16.09 | Nyle | segment: why? |
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| 03:16.27 | Nyle | just a random # or a reasonb ehind using 000 |
| 03:16.29 | semprix | Nyle: youre muslim? |
| 03:16.32 | Daveman | heh |
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| 03:16.56 | segment | gives all users access |
| 03:17.02 | Nyle | semprix: i wasn't the last time i checked |
| 03:17.05 | segment | just to test the theory |
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| 03:18.26 | semprix | Nyle: have a regular checking, maybe you are a muslim now |
| 03:18.28 | semprix | heh |
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| 03:18.53 | Nyle | i don't think so |
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| 03:20.02 | Daveman | rut roh |
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| 03:21.49 | SeveredCross | Uh.. |
| 03:21.54 | aFlag | hello, where can I find documentation about configuring my laptop to access some wireless lan? |
| 03:21.58 | stopher2 | I have a problem- My server won't boot into GUI, and my router, modem, and server all just reset. Everything is "supposed" to run in static mode, but I can't find/ping my server anywhere. I am even using Angry IP Scanner. Can't find it. How can I use terminal mode to set the ip, check what ip the machine is getting...anything like that? |
| 03:22.23 | SeveredCross | ifconfig? |
| 03:22.47 | aFlag | I need only ifconfig? |
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| 03:23.00 | die7gft | hi all |
| 03:23.03 | sarixe | how do i build a kernel without paravirt_ops? it seems my only choice. |
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| 03:23.32 | die7gft | paravit_ops ? |
| 03:23.50 | sarixe | i was trying to install fglrx 8.41.7 |
| 03:23.57 | sarixe | on lenny |
| 03:24.10 | sarixe | but it failed like the rest of them, complaining about paravirt_ops |
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| 03:24.36 | Daveman | abrotman |
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| 03:25.02 | Rusty1 | aFlag: go read : http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 03:25.42 | stopher2 | ill try ifconfig that normally doesn't work for me |
| 03:25.48 | semprix | anyone tried Debian GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 03:26.24 | Nyle | hey |
| 03:26.27 | Nyle | umask=000 worked |
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| 03:26.31 | Nyle | of course |
| 03:26.32 | Quintin | Has anyone used this eBox shit? It looks neat |
| 03:26.49 | Nyle | segment: thanks |
| 03:27.45 | segment | :) |
| 03:28.00 | die7gft | semprix: why? |
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| 03:28.33 | semprix | die7gft: im wondering what its like |
| 03:28.36 | Daveman | haha snap |
| 03:28.47 | Daveman | found another netinstall bug |
| 03:28.49 | stopher2 | is it bad i'm getting error code 4 in bright red text on the screen, and that fsck failed...and that root filesystem is booting readonly? |
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| 03:29.00 | keith4 | stopher2: yes |
| 03:29.01 | die7gft | semprix: like nexenta + debian |
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| 03:29.47 | semprix | nexenta? the ubuntu based OS? |
| 03:29.50 | die7gft | semprix: it's hard to say not many ppl tray that |
| 03:29.58 | die7gft | semprix: yes |
| 03:30.26 | die7gft | semprix: open solaris + deb pakg + bubuntu :) |
| 03:30.48 | semprix | ill give it a try. |
| 03:31.33 | die7gft | semprix: let as know about your exp. |
| 03:31.35 | stopher2 | craaap- okay so the /dev/hda1 is trying to repair itself after a bad boot- it fails out. how do i run this "manually" as it says so I can get my server back online? |
| 03:31.59 | Quintin | stopher2: use a livecd and fsck |
| 03:32.14 | vezult | if I want to split a file into several smaller ones at each line starting with "b", such that the lines starting with "b" do not appear in the split out files, how do i get csplit to do that? |
| 03:32.50 | stopher2 | well i have the system mounted as readonly and i'm at the SERVER> prompt. I don't think i have a live cd anywho |
| 03:33.04 | stopher2 | (actually SERVER:~# lol' |
| 03:33.09 | vezult | csplit foo /^b/ '{*}' keep the "b" lines in. I want them out. |
| 03:33.40 | die7gft | stopher2: fs check |
| 03:33.55 | semprix | dist-upgrade is a bit long :( |
| 03:34.04 | Bogus8 | could someone please look at this config.log from ncdu compile attempt and tell me what is going wrong: http://www.pastebin.ca/695035 |
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| 03:34.17 | stopher2 | thanks---starting |
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| 03:34.47 | phr0zen | okay I have apache/php/mysql the whole shibang and I have it working on my network but I want to get it out on the internet and have no clue what to search for or anything could someone point me in a direction |
| 03:35.25 | Daveman | fucking weirdness |
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| 03:36.20 | semprix | guys what if all the toy story characters has already been used as codenames for debian? |
| 03:36.33 | hackthegenome | toy story 2? |
| 03:36.39 | dondelelcaro | semprix: then the release managers decide on another set of characters to use |
| 03:36.50 | hackthegenome | i vote for monsters inc |
| 03:36.57 | aFlag | Rusty1, that seems like way more information than I need, I couldn't actually even find there what I was looking for. On freebsd I'd edit rc.d with ifconfig_wi0="DHCP ssid thessid" and I'd use ifconfig wi0 scan to find out the ssid. How do I do something like that on debian? Would you know? |
| 03:37.19 | semprix | toy story2 has more or less the same characters as toy story 1 |
| 03:37.30 | semprix | i vote for x-men |
| 03:37.34 | hackthegenome | yeah there's only like 2 new characters.. |
| 03:37.37 | hackthegenome | no way |
| 03:37.44 | semprix | Debian Gambit |
| 03:37.44 | phr0zen | just name it mclovin |
| 03:37.45 | aFlag | linux's ifconfig doesn't seem to have a scan option |
| 03:37.53 | dondelelcaro | if you actually want to vote, the only people whose vote matters are the release managers |
| 03:37.54 | phr0zen | Debian McLovin |
| 03:37.58 | hackthegenome | if we can move past pixar then i vote.. |
| 03:37.59 | hackthegenome | yes |
| 03:38.00 | hackthegenome | superbad |
| 03:38.10 | hackthegenome | was superawesome |
| 03:38.11 | segment | hmm |
| 03:38.16 | die7gft | aFlag: scan opt??? |
| 03:38.25 | semprix | well monsters inc is good but not that many characters |
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| 03:38.31 | dondelelcaro | so become a release manager if you care what Debian releases are called. |
| 03:38.40 | semprix | heh |
| 03:38.43 | Daveman | :) |
| 03:38.46 | aFlag | yeah, on freebsd I would type ifconfig wi0 list scan |
| 03:38.48 | semprix | :) |
| 03:38.54 | Daveman | heh |
| 03:39.00 | aFlag | and it would tell me all the wireless lans available to me |
| 03:39.00 | gpm | hoary |
| 03:39.00 | stopher2 | woohoo! thanks! the server started easily and all of my websites are back up---well they are all in text-only safemode but they're up so i can fix them! |
| 03:39.01 | Daveman | iwconfig |
| 03:39.10 | die7gft | aFlag: oo brooo |
| 03:39.30 | Daveman | haha rescue shell |
| 03:39.46 | hackthegenome | hey does anyone know what it means if my hard drive "might not have spun down properly" when i do shutdown -h now |
| 03:39.58 | die7gft | aFlag: i dnot will say man ifconfig |
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| 03:40.52 | aFlag | die7gft, what? |
| 03:41.03 | aFlag | Daveman, iwconfig seems to have what I need, thanks |
| 03:41.07 | Rusty1 | die7gft: I think iwconfig may be what aFlag needs to look at |
| 03:41.35 | stopher2 | and now everything is back up in graphical interface! wow |
| 03:41.37 | stopher2 | amazing |
| 03:41.38 | stopher2 | freakin amazing |
| 03:41.42 | stopher2 | i love debian |
| 03:41.52 | die7gft | Rusty1: i know but ok, i think man pages is a good start |
| 03:42.29 | Quintin | stopher2: what fixed it? |
| 03:42.48 | aFlag | die7gft, how would the ifconfig manpage help me in this case? |
| 03:42.55 | Rusty1 | well, man ifconfig wouldnt help much with wireless |
| 03:43.14 | Daveman | aFlag, yep, it's the analog of what you wanted :) |
| 03:43.27 | Daveman | iwconfig <iface> scan list ... you know, etc :p |
| 03:43.36 | Daveman | die7gft, always ;) |
| 03:43.38 | die7gft | aFlag: Rusty1: btw it gonna help with linux basic anf nework |
| 03:43.52 | Daveman | unless, you're like this broken netinstall, and man isn't installed properly :P |
| 03:43.53 | Daveman | haha |
| 03:44.04 | stopher2 | Quintin: i ran fsck said yes to the default fixes (like default numerical value is 1 but is now 2, fix?), rebooted, then ran Angry IP Scanner to find it on my network, pasted up my patches again and it said *p00f* i'm here! |
| 03:44.21 | stopher2 | im not very good at linux, but love it to death for server-ing |
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| 03:44.36 | en1gma | sup all |
| 03:44.59 | Quintin | stopher2: I hope you have backups |
| 03:45.18 | die7gft | aFlag: http://www.howtoforge.com/taxonomy_menu/1/1/46 |
| 03:45.26 | aFlag | Daveman, yeah, iwconfig doesn't seem to have a scan command, but iwlist seems to have it |
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| 03:45.47 | die7gft | aFlag: all you need |
| 03:45.53 | Daveman | yeah |
| 03:45.56 | Daveman | :) |
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| 03:46.10 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 03:46.12 | en1gma | i am using the debian net-install cd (well trying to anyhow) i have 4 hard drives filling all the ide connectors up and i have a cdrom attached to a sata connector "THROUGH" a ide-sata adapter....my motherboard is set to sata boot first...and the debian cd menu does come up |
| 03:46.19 | en1gma | BUT here is where i come into problems |
| 03:46.59 | en1gma | do i need to load a special driver eventhough the debian menu did come up? dont that mean the driver did load through this bios setting of "sata boot rom" setting |
| 03:47.05 | bintut | is there a way in the dhcpd.conf file to specify the configuration file to provision for a specific computer that comes its own OS? |
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| 03:47.32 | en1gma | when i continue to try install by hitting enter key it loads alot of stuff up like usual but then a screen comes up saying i need to load cdrom drivers |
| 03:47.54 | en1gma | "no common CD-ROM" drive was detected is where im at right now |
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| 03:48.56 | stopher2 | Quintin: i do have backups--thank god. actually i have to strategically copy the entire HD over to another one so i have a hot-swap backup |
| 03:49.25 | stopher2 | (in addition to) |
| 03:49.34 | bintut | that means, by the time the desktop boots up and acquired an ip address from the dhcpd server, the dhcpd will send a configuration file to the desktop and download it.. |
| 03:50.15 | bintut | i'm not talking about the lease time, name server, etc.. but other specific configurations for the desktop |
| 03:50.22 | die7gft | bintut: dora |
| 03:50.42 | bintut | die7gft: what's dora? |
| 03:50.52 | die7gft | bintut: discover offer req ack |
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| 03:51.15 | bintut | die7gft: i don't understand. sorry.. what do you mean? |
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| 03:51.37 | die7gft | dora = is dhcp procecedure |
| 03:51.54 | die7gft | sry in germany is 5:54h |
| 03:52.04 | stopher2 | shoot- what was the name of the package manager for debian? f-something... i use fedora as my desktop not debian so i get confused haha- darn server runs for 27 days then goes down i have to re-remember |
| 03:52.15 | Quintin | stopher2: apt-get ? |
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| 03:52.21 | stopher2 | aptitude! thanks |
| 03:52.23 | Quintin | stopher2: uh, fedora? wtf |
| 03:52.43 | stopher2 | Quintin: but servers are nothing but debian |
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| 03:54.05 | Quintin | stopher2: huh? |
| 03:54.08 | simpletron | hi all |
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| 03:55.16 | stopher2 | Quintin: i use nothing but debian for my servers; fedora is on my desktop for a "learning adventure" which is more like a "learning PITA" |
| 03:55.30 | stopher2 | what's the best SMTP package for deb? |
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| 03:55.41 | bintut | die7gft: i'm really sorry.. i really can't understand.. :( |
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| 03:56.06 | die7gft | bintut: np brro |
| 03:57.14 | keith4 | postfix |
| 03:57.24 | keith4 | stopher2: ^^ |
| 03:57.36 | stopher2 | thanks keith4: postfix does the complete mail system too-doesn't it? |
| 03:57.56 | keith4 | it's an MTA |
| 03:57.59 | sarixe | when's linux 2.6.22 coming in lenny? |
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| 03:58.28 | simpletron | lenny is the testing flavor right? |
| 03:58.33 | sarixe | yep |
| 03:58.38 | simpletron | ok |
| 03:59.25 | earnest | I say ``aptitude install inn2'' but it fails when setting it up due to ``hostname not found'' My hostname is in /etc/hosts, so I can ping it, but it is not a valid DNS entry, so if the set up really queries DNS and ignores my /etc/hosts, then I need a workaround. Ideas? |
| 03:59.30 | dalias | i can't imagine admining a serious production server with lots of bells and whistles using any dist other than debian |
| 03:59.45 | stopher2 | "exim4-config conflicts with postfix" in aptitude- what's exim4-config and what does ti do? |
| 04:00.00 | dalias | exim4 is another mail deliery agent |
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| 04:00.12 | dalias | you can choose between exim and postfix but not both |
| 04:00.20 | btiffin | To whom it may concern: To get round the patent on dissolving the mouse pointer when it approaches the text caret, how about just moving it a few pixels in some random direction. Just to get the thing out of the way? I'm getting too old to be reaching for the mouse while in small edit fields. |
| 04:00.56 | dalias | does anyone really care about such a nonsensical patent? |
| 04:00.59 | stopher2 | okay so i can get rid of exim then |
| 04:01.32 | semprix | how long does dist-upgrade takes on a 3mbits connection |
| 04:01.36 | dalias | and btiffin, moving it is difficult |
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| 04:01.45 | dalias | what it you happened to move it onto another window? |
| 04:01.49 | dalias | then the focus would move |
| 04:02.07 | keith4 | only if you have focus follow mouse on |
| 04:02.07 | sarixe | not for all wm's |
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| 04:02.22 | dalias | apps cannot make assumptions about how the wm works |
| 04:02.34 | sarixe | so then throw the idea away |
| 04:02.47 | Daveman | uggh |
| 04:02.55 | Daveman | what a pita :p |
| 04:02.56 | sarixe | why not just... not make the cursor disappear? |
| 04:02.57 | dalias | if someone is really refusing to make the cursor disappear because of a nonsense patent claim |
| 04:03.04 | dalias | that person needs to be flamed until they fix it |
| 04:03.30 | amphi | btiffin: what are you talking about? |
| 04:03.38 | stopher2 | well'''i think i'm uninstalling exim- can't tell lol |
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| 04:04.08 | btiffin | It might be a burn sometimes, but I'd bet I move the mouse out of the way hundreds of times a day. I think Apple owns the patent, and wanted to charge MS a fair sized fee to be allowed to use the feature. But Debian or X could do something I'd hope. |
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| 04:04.14 | alucard | how do i fix xine |
| 04:04.28 | alucard | or install it rather |
| 04:04.42 | gpm | xine-ui |
| 04:04.43 | sarixe | with apt-get |
| 04:04.44 | dalias | um i dont think anyone knows or cares about this bs patent |
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| 04:05.06 | amphi | btiffin: why not just use unclutter ? |
| 04:05.08 | stopher2 | once in the 'view package info' screen on aptitude- what do i hit to go back to the menu? |
| 04:05.09 | dalias | if the behavior doesn't exist then probably just no one thought of it or cared about it |
| 04:05.20 | PyroticShadow | Well, here it goes if anyone can help. I have a Fujitsu Lifebook C340.. I installed the Net install, base system, and it didn't detect my network card, which is a Netgear PC Card, that plugs in the side... just ethernet, not wireless. DSL recognized it, but Debian didn't. So, I said, Oh well, and decided to install the Grub MBR... it errored, so did Lilo |
| 04:05.21 | alucard | ok i already did that |
| 04:05.28 | stopher2 | f5 lol |
| 04:05.29 | alucard | but amarok and stuff crash when they try to play files |
| 04:05.32 | btiffin | amphi; It's a nice feature of the Mac. When the text caret is anywhere near the mouse pointer, the mouse pointer dissolves |
| 04:05.35 | PyroticShadow | They both said that the package failed to install into /target/ |
| 04:05.47 | dalias | what does "dissolve" mean? |
| 04:05.52 | PyroticShadow | Any ideas? My computer has 32MB RAM and 3GB HDD... so I can't do anything too extreme. |
| 04:06.19 | amphi | btiffin: I have unclutter hide the mouse pointer after it's been motionless for 5 seconds |
| 04:06.44 | btiffin | dalias; disappears gets out of the way of typing, especially i's and l's |
| 04:07.01 | stopher2 | anyone know if postfix is web-controllable (through a browswer?) that would be way nifty |
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| 04:07.10 | bedboi | hi all |
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| 04:07.22 | bedboi | what is the best place to ask for debian packaging ? |
| 04:07.42 | amphi | btiffin: hiding it as unclutter does seems to work well enough |
| 04:08.19 | btiffin | Konsole does that, but I don't want to wait 5 seconds to type a few chars in say a password field...and getting there means moving the mouse there to click it. Pain the ... |
| 04:08.19 | PyroticShadow | Apparently nobody knows? |
| 04:08.22 | amphi | btiffin: the patent is absurd and would probably not withstand a legal challenge |
| 04:09.08 | btiffin | MS would love that. But I think the deal was Mr Jobs wanted a whole dollar per copy of Windows so it never went into Windows. |
| 04:09.39 | PyroticShadow | Well, here it goes if anyone can help. I have a Fujitsu Lifebook C340.. I installed the Net install, base system, and it didn't detect my network card, which is a Netgear PC Card, that plugs in the side... just ethernet, not wireless. DSL recognized it, but Debian didn't. So, I said, Oh well, and decided to install the Grub MBR... it errored, so did Lilo |
| 04:09.47 | amphi | btiffin: who gives a crap? why are you talking about such nonsense? most of the world doesn't have sw patents at all |
| 04:09.52 | gpm | PyroticShadow: dude, have some patience |
| 04:10.06 | gpm | it hasn't been five minutes |
| 04:10.20 | gpm | also, what does the nic have to do with grub/lilo? |
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| 04:10.29 | PyroticShadow | gpm, but it has been 4 and a half. I'm on a time limit, sitting here in mid install trying to get it to work :S |
| 04:10.30 | tictac | any ideas when weekly builds of lenny will start up again? |
| 04:10.47 | PyroticShadow | gpm, tell me, I have no idea if it has anything to do with it. I just want to know why Grub and Lilo won't install. |
| 04:10.51 | btiffin | amphi' Because only on my Mac does the mouse not hide typing. I'm saying "to whom it may concern" the feature should be built into X |
| 04:11.04 | Daveman | hmm |
| 04:11.06 | gpm | what was the error with grub/lilo? |
| 04:11.14 | Rusty1 | stopher2: google webmin-postfix YMMV |
| 04:11.16 | PyroticShadow | They both said that the package failed to install into /target/ |
| 04:11.25 | alucard | when i try ot play sound files in amarok it crashes |
| 04:11.25 | dalias | btiffin, there's no way to build it into x |
| 04:11.26 | stopher2 | thanks Rusty1 |
| 04:11.27 | gpm | that's it? |
| 04:11.42 | dalias | X has no such concept as a text cursor |
| 04:11.51 | PyroticShadow | "The Grub package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot. |
| 04:12.03 | PyroticShadow | The Lilo package failed to install into /target/. Without the Lilo boot loader, the installed system will not boot. |
| 04:12.07 | PyroticShadow | gpm, ^ |
| 04:12.19 | gpm | try looking in vc4 (alt-f) |
| 04:12.23 | gpm | +4 |
| 04:12.34 | gpm | or three |
| 04:12.39 | gpm | one of them has more detailed messages |
| 04:12.55 | PyroticShadow | k. uhm... |
| 04:13.01 | PyroticShadow | Package grub has no installation candidtate |
| 04:13.23 | dalias | even if it were possible, X has no business dictating UI policy |
| 04:13.28 | alucard | when i try ot play sound files in amarok it crashes, how do i get audio to work with that |
| 04:13.29 | gpm | wait, if you booted a netinst cd, how did you install the base system without a network card? |
| 04:13.42 | dalias | X is purely a network-transparent windowing system |
| 04:13.46 | btiffin | dalias; Ok then...thanks for the info. |
| 04:13.54 | PyroticShadow | gpm, It's on the netinst cd... |
| 04:13.55 | amphi | btiffin: each program would have to hide the pointer itself |
| 04:14.00 | dalias | however gtk could surely do such a thing |
| 04:14.22 | gpm | PyroticShadow: is there a deb for grub/lilo? you could try manual installation |
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| 04:15.04 | PyroticShadow | gpm, I'm not sure, that's why I'm here. *shrugs* |
| 04:15.26 | gpm | PyroticShadow: poke around the CD... |
| 04:15.28 | btiffin | dalias; sorry about the misuse of terminoloy; I really meant a wm for X, and Debian being my OS of choice, I'd prefer to see it as a feature of either KDE or Gnome for Debian. |
| 04:15.45 | PyroticShadow | gpm, how? |
| 04:15.45 | amphi | btiffin: unclutter can hide the pointer as soon as a key is pressed, it seems from tha man page |
| 04:16.12 | gpm | PyroticShadow: ls, find, etc. there's a shell on vc4 i think |
| 04:16.15 | Daveman | uggh |
| 04:16.15 | btiffin | amphi; Thanks for that tip...looking now. :) |
| 04:16.25 | Daveman | I need to fix this ethernet problem |
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| 04:17.22 | stopher2 | god now aptitude is telling me processes are locked--files cannot be downloaded nor installed |
| 04:17.38 | stopher2 | and...and...it's making me use the number pad enter button!!! *gasp* |
| 04:18.42 | en1gma | do i need to load a special kernel for booting from a cdrom that has an "IDE to SATA" adapter on it...im using the debian net-install cd |
| 04:18.45 | Daveman | awesome |
| 04:18.55 | en1gma | the cdrom does load the debian menu |
| 04:18.56 | dalias | btiffin, a WM can't do it either. only applications, either themselves or thru widget libraries like gtk, can do it |
| 04:19.03 | en1gma | so its getting picked up somehow |
| 04:19.28 | dalias | the text insertion point is purely a figment of the application's imagination |
| 04:19.37 | Daveman | haha |
| 04:19.41 | dalias | it has no existence outside the application; the X server or WM can't see it |
| 04:20.02 | btiffin | amphi; You just made an old man very happy. unclutter installed and works well so far. |
| 04:20.20 | dalias | well goodnight guys |
| 04:20.24 | dalias | i'm tired.. |
| 04:20.31 | dalias | zzz |
| 04:20.37 | btiffin | dalias; thanks for the info too. :) |
| 04:20.40 | en1gma | gonna try a live cd |
| 04:20.54 | amphi | btiffin: good-oh ;) |
| 04:21.06 | PyroticShadow | gpm, not finding anything on it >.> I found a packages thing but apparently it's not a folder, it won't let me access it with ls, or let me cd to it.. |
| 04:21.40 | gpm | sorry dude |
| 04:21.42 | gpm | try again |
| 04:21.44 | gpm | i guess |
| 04:21.50 | btiffin | amphi; Thankee thankee. And to all a good night. |
| 04:22.07 | amphi | n8 |
| 04:22.51 | stopher2 | next step- install VNC so i can do all this from my room and not the server area |
| 04:22.59 | gpm | bleh, i'm bored |
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| 04:28.15 | vigilant | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 04:28.16 | vigilant | Why? |
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| 04:29.49 | Coweater | because you didn't install build-essential |
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| 04:30.43 | elenril | anyone here using psi from experimental? |
| 04:31.51 | maddash | how do i get the home directory of an arbitrary user? |
| 04:32.17 | maddash | ie, I keep getting, " / is the home directory of user distccd" while mounting davfs2 |
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| 04:33.17 | stopher2 | anything i can do to fix: <E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 04:33.29 | maddash | cat /etc/passwd. |
| 04:33.42 | byteshack | how can I figure out what default modmap my X is using? I can't seem to find a Xmodmap file anywhere |
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| 04:34.36 | byteshack | reason I'm asking is because I'd like to alter something there, like "xmodmap -e 'add mod3maks = blah'" |
| 04:35.06 | byteshack | can I just put than line at the top of my ~/.xinitrc? |
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| 04:36.15 | gonzaloaf | hi, do you know how to tell lame to copy the id3 tag when convert mp3 from one bitrate to another? |
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| 04:40.11 | Wyzard | en1gma: You shouldn't need any special driver for that |
| 04:40.46 | vigilant | ok thanks Coweater |
| 04:40.55 | Wyzard | en1gma: If the SATA controller is supported, a PATA drive with a SATA bridge should work much like a native SATA drive |
| 04:41.12 | vigilant | Coweater: how do i install build-essential |
| 04:41.13 | stopher2 | gah! im in a never ending state---postfix won't instal correctly- or uininstall at all! |
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| 04:45.25 | earnest | Well, here's a solution to my problem: hostname real.hostname.org; for example, hostname microsoft.com does it. :-) |
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| 04:48.01 | phr0zen | i need help, im trying to setup my box so its like a webserver, so far it works with other comps on my network with internal ip but I wanna get it so I can use an external ip and have others acess it, I forwarded port 80 and all that and still not working :( |
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| 04:52.31 | timthelion | ever since I upgradded to lenny from whatever stable is... 2 weeks ago, my computer will, at random(though always when I'm in firefox) stop. the fan goes on, and the network card continues flashing. but everything else stops, no music, no mouse movement, nothing. and it never comes back. |
| 04:53.33 | timthelion | what can I do to find out what might be happening? |
| 04:55.05 | stray_ | can you ssh into it from another box? |
| 04:55.09 | timthelion | no |
| 04:55.35 | stray_ | how about switching into a tty? |
| 04:55.47 | timthelion | no responce from the keyboard whatsoever |
| 04:55.53 | MasterGH | slapfaceware: Yes you can, look at the SquirrelMail docs for how to do it |
| 04:55.58 | timthelion | doesn't even do timeout beeps |
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| 04:57.07 | timthelion | I was thinking more like a log file. |
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| 04:58.43 | timthelion | I'm going to try cutting out firefox and see if it really is a bug in that. |
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| 04:59.16 | nomatter01 | hi |
| 04:59.18 | stray_ | well screehing halt lockups are sometimes hardware related. i never have luck upgrading and if all was well before, then go to "before" |
| 04:59.45 | timthelion | stray_: I can't go back, not now! |
| 05:00.16 | stray_ | easy; wget iso, insert, press reset.. :/ |
| 05:00.33 | nomatter01 | is there anybody who can tell me how i have to configure my wlan with wpa_supplicant to get the same settings like this: http://www.htlpinkafeld.at/wlan/Dateien/WLAN-Clientkonfiguration.doc |
| 05:01.04 | nomatter01 | hello |
| 05:01.24 | timthelion | stray_: you don't understand, I don't want to spend my life reinstalling. |
| 05:01.28 | stray_ | nomatter01: i don't do wireless. if i did, i'd probably google around.. |
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| 05:02.01 | timthelion | stray_: the format, re-install cycle, is a thing linux is supposed to help windows users escape. |
| 05:02.05 | stray_ | timthelion: i do understand. i don't mess with a working system by upgrading unless i want to reinstall.. |
| 05:02.13 | nomatter01 | i googled around and found something but this doesn't work |
| 05:02.16 | stray_ | i've botched enough upgrades to know. |
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| 05:02.39 | stopher2 | i have a .deb installer file on my laptop- if i ftp it over to the server, what commands do i need to install this webmin util? |
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| 05:03.07 | timthelion | stopher2: man dpkg |
| 05:03.16 | stray_ | timthelion: however, you don't really learn what breaks a system until you've had the experience of breaking a box a couple (or more) times. |
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| 05:03.53 | stray_ | after hosing a windows box enough, you learn what not to do there too. |
| 05:04.02 | timthelion | stray_: I've been using linux for 2 years. my sanity was pretty streached by the 10 some years before that of windows. |
| 05:04.34 | timthelion | I don't think so, upgrading should be fairly rutine. |
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| 05:05.02 | stray_ | heh, i imagine anyone 'using' linux (as opposed to learning or playing with) has had as much windows too. |
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| 05:06.36 | stray_ | upgrading seems so the microsoft world to me, <shrug> kinda like the win only users who take retry, reboot, reinstall as gospel for computing.. |
| 05:07.02 | timthelion | stray_: and taking apart a drier to find out how an electric motor and drive chain is somehow not using the washer? |
| 05:07.26 | timthelion | stray_: hit next and pray! |
| 05:07.54 | stray_ | i'm saying that if you are going to upgrade to have the latest and greatest, that you have to be ready to pay the price. |
| 05:08.28 | stray_ | if you need to step up, do it to another box and migrate over to it. if things go awry, then you still have the old box. |
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| 05:08.48 | timthelion | stray_: laptop. |
| 05:09.09 | timthelion | my dad may be a millionaire but I'm not sitting pretty. |
| 05:09.11 | stray_ | having the latest and the greatest is what seems to be something I don't have ambitions for. |
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| 05:09.37 | timthelion | I wanted a new version of ghc. |
| 05:09.48 | stray_ | especially if my box is a tool i need to use as a tool and not a toy, plaything, or a status symbol. |
| 05:10.15 | timthelion | It's not that I wanted the latest and greates, its that I wanted to be involved in projects built on the latest and greatest. |
| 05:10.31 | timthelion | stray_: a tool for irc? |
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| 05:10.54 | timthelion | really, what do you do on linux? |
| 05:11.04 | stray_ | no, the pc as a tool |
| 05:12.15 | stray_ | be it linux, freebsd, win, irix, or osx as the os for such tool. |
| 05:12.27 | timthelion | to do what? |
| 05:13.07 | stray_ | not sure what you want to know. a tool i guess means something different to different people. |
| 05:13.46 | timthelion | I use my computer as a tool to do homework, and to learn about solving problems. I want to know what that tool is to you. what problem does the computer solve for you? |
| 05:13.54 | semprix | A tool is, among other things, a device that provides a mechanical or mental advantage in accomplishing a task. |
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| 05:14.40 | stray_ | to some people a knife is knife, but to a chef, a boning knife is not the same as filet knife, or a sontuku.. |
| 05:15.04 | timthelion | well, I happen to like automation. and when I saw a program called yi, claiming to be an emacs replacement, with none of emacs problems. I wanted to learn how they had solved them. if only to better use emacs. |
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| 05:15.34 | timthelion | stray_: I'm a chef, and I only ever use a large knife or a small one. |
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| 05:15.53 | timthelion | are you a cheff? |
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| 05:16.18 | timthelion | I'm not asking about theoretical chefs, I'm asking about the real you. |
| 05:16.38 | stray_ | yes, but after a time, your hand gets used to the feel of that knife, and anything else feels wrong. though you can still use any knife, you prefer the one that's been your "tool" for many years no? |
| 05:17.27 | dondelelcaro | timthelion: most likely it's the case that firefox is running out of available memory and causing your computer to thrash. |
| 05:17.36 | dondelelcaro | timthelion: the easiest way to get around it is to disable the memory cache |
| 05:17.47 | dondelelcaro | (and keep an eye on firefox and restart it if it goes crazy) |
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| 05:18.13 | stray_ | in otherwords, it's not a gadget that you wish you had or would do better with a "new" one. the knife a tool :) |
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| 05:19.18 | stray_ | bbl later.. |
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| 05:31.28 | daos | or menu driver partitioning tool? |
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| 05:33.04 | maddash | parted |
| 05:33.17 | maddash | gparted |
| 05:33.46 | daos | (maddash): thanks |
| 05:35.40 | daos | not real;ly what Iwas after though |
| 05:35.56 | daos | iot not a menu/graphical thing from the console |
| 05:36.39 | daos | I used to use one and now I can't remember the name for the life of me |
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| 05:36.47 | en1gma | sup all |
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| 05:38.16 | en1gma | can someone help me get debian installed...nf2 mb with silicon sata (have a dvd-rom with abit seriellel ide-sata adapter) it starts to load the debian net-install cd but druning load up it starts to give me errors |
| 05:38.22 | en1gma | well not errors |
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| 05:38.32 | en1gma | but it tells me i need to install a driver for the cd-rom |
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| 05:39.49 | ale666 | suppose i make a website that uses GPL software, do i have to release the code of the website? |
| 05:41.55 | \amethyst | ale666: not in most situations, though perhaps if a GPL javascript library were involved |
| 05:42.53 | ale666 | why such a distinction? |
| 05:43.06 | \amethyst | ale666: because you're "distributing" the javascript |
| 05:43.20 | \amethyst | ale666: whereas you're (probably) not distributing the server-side code |
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| 05:44.41 | daos | what is a good graphical console partitioning tool? |
| 05:44.43 | daos | I used to use one and now I can't remember the name for the life of me |
| 05:44.53 | \amethyst | parted? |
| 05:45.11 | daos | it was the default one that was used in the woody installation |
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| 05:46.45 | maddash | daos: google. go away. |
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| 05:47.49 | daos | (maddash): yeah gee thansk |
| 05:47.57 | daos | hows get fucked sound to you! |
| 05:48.35 | JoshH | sounds pretty good to me |
| 05:49.21 | en1gma | shouldnt there be a way to install from network somehow |
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| 05:59.21 | en1gma | where can i find this file "kernel-parameters.txt" |
| 05:59.29 | en1gma | from net |
| 05:59.58 | St3rnchen | moin |
| 06:00.14 | en1gma | hi |
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| 06:01.59 | diafic | Arrr. When will googlesketchup go linux? |
| 06:02.47 | happy_broccoli | anyone knowledgable about cat sickeness? |
| 06:03.17 | diafic | loveandsnuggle injections make it all bettar. |
| 06:03.44 | happy_broccoli | my cat is sick |
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| 06:04.14 | diafic | Take it to a vet? |
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| 06:11.14 | sf7 | how to extract a .tar.gz file? |
| 06:12.02 | simonrvn | !tar |
| 06:12.02 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 06:12.07 | nvz | sf7: tar zxf foo.tar.gz |
| 06:12.18 | nvz | sf7: add a v in there if you want to see what's happening |
| 06:12.56 | sf7 | thx! |
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| 06:13.16 | simonrvn | hi nvz |
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| 06:13.39 | nvz | simonrvn: not yet, but I'm working on it |
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| 06:13.46 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:14.05 | nvz | of course I'm full of shit, but its kinda funny to say anyway |
| 06:14.17 | simonrvn | i was taking a spoonful of my fruit cocktail when you said it :D |
| 06:14.26 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 06:14.42 | nvz | I don't know about fruit cocktail but I am kinda hungry |
| 06:14.57 | Penix | nvz: work harder |
| 06:15.11 | simonrvn | hi Penix |
| 06:15.12 | nvz | I mostly just like the cherries anyhow and they usually don't put enough cherries in it usually |
| 06:15.15 | Penix | wenas |
| 06:15.22 | nvz | I should probably make my own.. its not like its hard |
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| 06:16.23 | Penix | I say that about a lot of food as I'm about to order it |
| 06:16.29 | nvz | heh |
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| 06:16.56 | lindenle | anyone know if I can define a new class in cfengine based on editfiles? |
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| 06:17.30 | nvz | I rather make my own food.. but for something like fruit cocktail.. its probably better out of a can anyway and you can't exactly go out and make a small serving of fruit cocktail |
| 06:17.44 | nvz | I mean the pinapple alone would make enough for at least 6 cans |
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| 06:18.57 | nvz | but for like chicken fried rice or something, I'd rather make my own.. cause I don't like a lot of recipies, and I can just as easily make that myself |
| 06:19.27 | Sebboh | Is there any utility to read dmg files? Can I mount them? |
| 06:19.43 | nvz | I for one use soy sauce in it, and most chinese resturants and premade freezer isle deals don't |
| 06:19.48 | nvz | Sebboh: why would you want to |
| 06:19.57 | nvz | Sebboh: what does file say about them? |
| 06:20.01 | simonrvn | in linux? i doubt it. mounting? depends on the former ;) |
| 06:20.09 | Penix | I get bacon and egg rolls all the time from a certain shop. it's one of the easiest things I could make. egg, bacon, bbq sauce, bread. I just always end up going the lazy route |
| 06:20.11 | simonrvn | they're mac os x disk images |
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| 06:20.54 | Sebboh | Indeed they are, simon. |
| 06:21.03 | nvz | google says they are regular Apple HFS images |
| 06:21.09 | Sebboh | Mac users apparently use them like zips... |
| 06:21.11 | simonrvn | saying that for nvz's benefit =) |
| 06:21.16 | nvz | can be mounted as HFS filesystems |
| 06:21.26 | simonrvn | oh really |
| 06:21.38 | Sebboh | File gets confused. It says, and I quote, Fri Feb 3 09:55:56 MET 1995\011Erlang JAM file - version 4.3 |
| 06:21.40 | simonrvn | well, depends if they're compressed or not |
| 06:21.58 | Sebboh | JAM.. sounds compressed. |
| 06:22.02 | nvz | simonrvn: I'm just wondering wtf you would want a dmg which generally contains OSX software in linux for |
| 06:22.06 | nvz | seems to be pointless |
| 06:22.18 | simonrvn | i'm of the smae mind, personally |
| 06:22.20 | simonrvn | same* |
| 06:22.37 | Sebboh | nvz, Mac users use them like ZIP files.. As in, there's all kinds of junk in them these days. |
| 06:22.50 | nvz | try -o loop -t hfs, first |
| 06:22.55 | simonrvn | tell him/her to send you a tarball ;) |
| 06:23.07 | Sebboh | But in this case, yes, it's a mac application, I can't use it on linux. However, I can view the readme, and look at data files. I don't have a mac. |
| 06:23.34 | Sebboh | I don't know if endusers usually create DMGs or not. ..Well. Actually, I guess that they must. |
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| 06:23.46 | Penix | anyone know what the deal is with a 64bit U160 card and a 33mhz PCI-X slot? full speed achievable? or only with 66mhz? |
| 06:24.04 | Penix | seems slightly difficult to find a definite answer |
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| 06:29.34 | nvz | maybe if you hadn't dripped your penix juice into your eye you would have an easier time finding answers :P |
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| 06:30.32 | Penix | nvz: sounds like your work is done ;) |
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| 06:31.12 | SeNsEi_SaMe | hi to all |
| 06:31.23 | nvz | Penix: what could I possibly be working on at 2:30am on a thursday morning? |
| 06:32.08 | Penix | exactly |
| 06:33.33 | Sebboh | nvz, simonrvn... FYI, debian has a package called hfsutils. :) (but it didn't work for me, the image must be compressed..) |
| 06:34.44 | SF8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.01 | nvz | Sebboh: google also mentions utilities to convert compressed dmg images to ISO, but unless they are uncompressed there doesn't seem to be a solution in debian.. though considering OSX is basically a cousin of FreeBSD and GNU, its probably using gnu compression.. zlib or something I'd tool around with the idea that its HFS with a common GNU compression |
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| 06:36.03 | Sebboh | nvz, I'm right with you. It is zlib. What utility speaks zlib? |
| 06:36.12 | Sebboh | ..gzip? =P |
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| 06:36.34 | Sebboh | but if it is zlib.. like, uh.. how come file didn't tell me that? :( |
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| 06:41.35 | Sebboh | nvz, simonrvn, http://vu1tur.eu.org/tools/README.TXT <-- this guy wrote some utilty that converts zlib compressed dmg files into ordinary hfs images. (which could also be called dmg files.) More importantly, he also mentions that OSX has a built in utility that does exactly what his software does. (but probably better) |
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| 06:42.16 | gpm | hey guys. i have an ipod connected via usb. when i connect it to the box, no device is created (no sda), but with other external hd's, it seems to work ok. system messages here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/47665 |
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| 06:50.05 | Kemical | how do i install xmms???? |
| 06:51.04 | loesh | aptitude install xmms |
| 06:51.19 | semprix | apt-get install xmms |
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| 06:52.13 | Daveman | heh |
| 06:52.36 | semprix | just giving the guy alternatives |
| 06:52.36 | semprix | heh |
| 06:53.03 | Daveman | ;) |
| 06:53.30 | Daveman | now, if I could remember how to install these ethernet drivers... I'd be set for tonight |
| 06:53.31 | Daveman | oi |
| 06:53.43 | semprix | ? |
| 06:53.44 | loesh | wget <xmms.tar.gz> && tar xvfz xmmz.tar.gz && ./configure && make && make install |
| 06:53.47 | loesh | but that |
| 06:53.53 | loesh | s just the wrong s |
| 06:53.59 | loesh | way! |
| 06:53.59 | semprix | set for tonight? |
| 06:54.07 | Daveman | it happened a few times in the past, but I forget what I did to remedy the situation most conveniently.. :| |
| 06:54.09 | Daveman | heh |
| 06:54.09 | loesh | and also.. i need a new tgb!! |
| 06:55.02 | Daveman | well someone did a netinstall on this machine, but apparently only the base was installed, unfortunately, and apparently, neither were any ethernet drivers, so I cannot get much done :p |
| 06:58.45 | niru | while booting through usb |
| 06:58.58 | niru | for getting a file what path should be given to get file from usb |
| 06:59.10 | niru | is it file=/hd-media/filename |
| 06:59.11 | niru | or |
| 06:59.19 | niru | file=/dev/sdb1/filename |
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| 06:59.56 | Daveman | whatever the mountpoint specified is? |
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| 07:00.29 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> 4.0r1 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people |
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| 07:00.39 | gonzaloaf | hi, what does the line 6 of the output of the 'netstat' command mean? http://pastebin.ca/695262 |
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| 07:01.18 | maddash | can anyone else confirm that the package libgl1-mesa-dev is fucked up? |
| 07:01.28 | maddash | ie, it's missing libgl.a entirely? |
| 07:01.36 | Guerin | maddash: the BTS can |
| 07:02.06 | dondelelcaro | gonzaloaf: that you've got an established connection from that ip to whatever vino-server is |
| 07:02.17 | maddash | fucking ridiculous |
| 07:02.32 | gonzaloaf | dondelelcaro, is 201.242.195 an ip? |
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| 07:03.02 | maddash | gonzaloaf: no. geez. |
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| 07:03.15 | gonzaloaf | dondelelcaro, I mean a valid Ip? |
| 07:03.22 | gonzaloaf | maddash, so? |
| 07:03.34 | Daveman | braaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnsss |
| 07:03.34 | maddash | gonzaloaf: huh? |
| 07:03.56 | gonzaloaf | can somebody tell me what that does line means? |
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| 07:04.42 | gonzaloaf | I'm receiving a message that vino-server wants to access to the gnome-keyring, it asks me to deny or give the permission |
| 07:05.42 | maddash | gonzaloaf: I just signed in, so repeat the message |
| 07:07.31 | gonzaloaf | maddash, I'm receiving a message that vino-server wants to access to the gnome-keyring, it asks me to deny or give the permission |
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| 07:07.50 | gonzaloaf | so I runned the netstat command to see what happens |
| 07:07.59 | dondelelcaro | gonzaloaf: that IP isn't valid; looks like it's been truncated. |
| 07:07.59 | gonzaloaf | but I dont understand that line 6 |
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| 07:08.12 | gonzaloaf | dondelelcaro, yes, but why? |
| 07:08.19 | dondelelcaro | gonzaloaf: most likely your term isn't wide enough |
| 07:08.21 | gonzaloaf | or how? |
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| 07:08.34 | cake | hey anyone know where i can download a sarge iso? |
| 07:08.46 | gonzaloaf | cake, mirrors |
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| 07:10.05 | Guerin | cake: did you try debian.org |
| 07:10.16 | cake | yup |
| 07:10.21 | Guerin | then you know where |
| 07:10.33 | cake | only thing i can find there is etch |
| 07:11.00 | Guerin | then you're not looking hard enough. archive.d.o is where old distros go to die. |
| 07:11.50 | maddash | weeeeeeee |
| 07:11.54 | maddash | libgl.so was enough! |
| 07:12.20 | Azio | yo |
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| 07:12.54 | dembug | does a strict kill -SEGV enforce dropping of ports on the tcp stack in use or otherwise? |
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| 07:13.33 | dondelelcaro | if the ports are no longer in use, yes |
| 07:13.37 | dondelelcaro | otherwise, no. |
| 07:13.39 | dembug | ahh bugger |
| 07:13.49 | dembug | I'm having some problem with buggy software I've written a control panel for in php |
| 07:13.51 | dondelelcaro | (there's nothing magical about how a process dies in this case) |
| 07:13.59 | dembug | yes, i thought as much |
| 07:14.07 | dembug | my friend suggested it and i thought it was an interesting suggestion |
| 07:14.08 | dembug | oh well |
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| 07:14.30 | nvz | Sebboh: cool. Idk what the deal with file is though |
| 07:14.33 | dondelelcaro | the thing to do is stop whatever is holding open those ports |
| 07:14.44 | dondelelcaro | fuser or lsof or netstat will tell you what that is |
| 07:14.56 | dembug | dondelelcaro: I actually think there is a problem with the way the software is written, and if you open a socket just before i call kill to exit it via the panel.. it leaves the port open and users start whining |
| 07:15.00 | maddash | cloaking field activated! |
| 07:15.09 | dembug | dondelelcaro ohh.. |
| 07:15.38 | dembug | well detecting the port and "flushing" it is two different things.. I'm not so good at networking side of things, is there a specific command i can pass after killing the app to make sure that the port it uses is definately closed cleanly? |
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| 07:15.49 | blame | I used to use a console tool that will detect and display all of my hardware in details. Can anyone help me remind of the tool's name? |
| 07:15.51 | dondelelcaro | there's no need to do any of that |
| 07:15.57 | dembug | ohh, thats a relief |
| 07:16.06 | maddash | blame: hwinfo |
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| 07:16.41 | semprix | dondelelcaro: are you not sleeping or anything |
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| 07:17.10 | Daveman | ? |
| 07:17.18 | dembug | so obviously this is simpler than i think.. I really have no idea how to do it and now it is bugging me ;< |
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| 07:17.48 | dondelelcaro | semprix: it's only midnight |
| 07:18.27 | dondelelcaro | dembug: but you really aren't trying to program something that deals with tcp sockets in php, are you? |
| 07:18.33 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:18.43 | dembug | no sir.. I'm trying to enforce a buggy peice of software's use of sockets |
| 07:18.45 | sf7 | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ -- is kernel source really a 50meg download? |
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| 07:19.15 | dembug | when i kill the processes - OCASSIONALLY there is some exception in the code.. that doesnt cleanly close the port, and it should.. |
| 07:19.47 | dembug | because its part of a panel and users frantically start/stop it OCCASIONALLY this issue crops up.. its just bugs me a bit if you excuse the pun |
| 07:19.49 | dembug | not a big issue |
| 07:20.08 | Daveman | So, how shall I remedy my driver issue? |
| 07:20.09 | maddash | sf7: no, it's off by 1Kb |
| 07:20.19 | dembug | dondelelcaro: my job is simple really, I just control the starting of the service, but the service is buggy, is there really no way to enforce the closing of a tcp port? |
| 07:20.38 | dembug | the process will receive sig 9 .. so it should close the damn port ;( |
| 07:20.46 | SF8 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:20.48 | semprix | dondelelcaro: ohh your in eu or something |
| 07:20.52 | dondelelcaro | dembug: there's no need to do so; so long as everything that has an open fd to the socket goes away, it goes away. |
| 07:21.09 | dembug | dondelelcaro hmm |
| 07:21.12 | Oyama | i'm reading rfc1033, sorry for my english, but i'm not sure what this means: "Glue records are only needed in the server delegating the domain, not in the domain itself" |
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| 07:21.30 | dembug | this is starting to sound like its the machine itself misbehaving and not the software leaving the port open.. |
| 07:21.30 | Daveman | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.38 | Daveman | silly semprix |
| 07:21.42 | Oyama | can someone explain it to me with simple words please? :) |
| 07:21.45 | semprix | Daveman: lol |
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| 07:21.49 | dembug | i have 20 or so machines inhouse |
| 07:21.53 | semprix | Daveman: im just sleepy |
| 07:21.56 | Daveman | :) |
| 07:21.58 | dondelelcaro | dembug: well, without seeing the netstat; output when it's failing, it's pretty hard for me to tell you what is going on. |
| 07:22.04 | dondelelcaro | dembug: that's what you want to look at. |
| 07:22.05 | Daveman | perhaps it's past your bedtime, young man :p |
| 07:22.10 | dembug | ahhh |
| 07:22.18 | dembug | ok dondelelcaro thanks for your time dude |
| 07:22.20 | dondelelcaro | (and you probably wnat to fix whatever it is that's being restarted to just reload itself anyway) |
| 07:22.27 | dembug | yes ;] |
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| 07:22.45 | semprix | Daveman: you are also not sleeping rof |
| 07:22.47 | semprix | rofl |
| 07:22.48 | dembug | which is a problem when its received sig9 , dies, and is reloaded shortly after and the port it requests is unavailable, etc ;] |
| 07:22.52 | Daveman | sssh :P |
| 07:22.58 | Daveman | I don't want to get in trouble... :P |
| 07:22.59 | dondelelcaro | (having users being able to stop/start things from panels is an admin nightmare) |
| 07:23.03 | dembug | yes |
| 07:23.07 | dembug | I warned them |
| 07:23.10 | Daveman | \o/ |
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| 07:23.15 | dembug | I said.. "oh what a self service webpanel.. what a great idea" |
| 07:23.27 | dembug | ".... if you are hiring 10 more admins to pickup the extra mess left in the wake of it" |
| 07:23.41 | Daveman | dembug, while you're at it, allow use of exec'd system() commands via php ^_^ |
| 07:23.47 | dembug | LOL |
| 07:24.00 | Daveman | sounds appropriate, given those admins... or kids, or whatever :p |
| 07:24.00 | SF8 | does anyone have any idea where I can get hold of a bunch of old dead ThinkPad keyboards? |
| 07:24.00 | dembug | I said that as well |
| 07:24.02 | Guerin | what is this, `How to blow an IT budget 101'? |
| 07:24.04 | Daveman | haha |
| 07:24.14 | dembug | "uhh.. su what? no this is a bad idea" |
| 07:24.15 | Farhenheit | Hello everybody, I'v got an new connection via cable and a simple modem from my ISP, is there a known package for Debian to configure an interface to connect to the modem ? |
| 07:24.15 | Guerin | SF8: local computer recycler |
| 07:24.17 | dembug | "people could die" |
| 07:24.19 | dembug | lol |
| 07:24.19 | Daveman | haha |
| 07:24.37 | Guerin | Farhenheit: pppconfig |
| 07:24.51 | liable | whats that font package? |
| 07:24.58 | Guerin | which? |
| 07:24.59 | Farhenheit | Guerin: and it work for cable distribution / not adsl ? |
| 07:25.07 | liable | the microsoft ones |
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| 07:25.15 | dembug | and Daveman that is not all, there is more |
| 07:25.18 | Guerin | Farhenheit: no, it works for modems. a `simple modem' for instance. Over a phone line |
| 07:25.23 | Guerin | laurly: msttcorefonts |
| 07:25.26 | dembug | it actually works perfect unless stupid users come along.. |
| 07:25.27 | Guerin | liable: |
| 07:25.35 | liable | danke |
| 07:25.39 | dembug | Unfortunately I was not listened to when i explained that users that need a panel are, by default, stupid |
| 07:25.40 | Daveman | oh gawd |
| 07:25.54 | Daveman | dembug, clearly |
| 07:25.55 | dembug | therefore panel of this kind == work++ |
| 07:25.56 | Daveman | stupid users |
| 07:25.58 | dembug | not work-- |
| 07:26.05 | Daveman | FOOLISH HUMONS! |
| 07:26.06 | Guerin | dembug: also pay++ |
| 07:26.11 | dembug | to make matters worse.. I am not a php developer |
| 07:26.14 | Daveman | Guerin, one would hope |
| 07:26.22 | dembug | and I am wondering why the fuck i was asked to do it in the first place |
| 07:26.24 | dembug | ;] |
| 07:26.25 | Daveman | regardless, --sanity; :( |
| 07:26.30 | dembug | ahah yeah |
| 07:26.34 | dembug | serious failure in sanity check |
| 07:26.39 | Daveman | yeah |
| 07:26.44 | Daveman | dude, something aren't worth it |
| 07:26.48 | dembug | and im the biggest idiot.. letting them do it |
| 07:26.57 | Guerin | don't beat yourself up |
| 07:27.03 | Guerin | PHBs will be PHBs |
| 07:27.08 | Farhenheit | Guerin : and you don't know about a package which will let me configure a cabel (not phone) modem ? |
| 07:27.11 | dembug | hah |
| 07:27.19 | Guerin | Farhenheit: pppoeconfig |
| 07:27.21 | Daveman | like if some mofo came by tomorrow and offered to pay me eight figures to program java portal application software or some shit... I'd tell them to go fuck themselves. |
| 07:27.26 | Guerin | or pppoeconf, i forget the name |
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| 07:27.39 | Daveman | either that, or I'd reluctantly accept and just outsource the work to india |
| 07:27.47 | Daveman | either that, or starving college kids |
| 07:27.50 | Guerin | Daveman: yeah, right. Eight figures is a year's work and a lifetime in the Bahamas |
| 07:27.57 | dembug | lol |
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| 07:28.02 | Daveman | Guerin, depends on your cost of living, kthx |
| 07:28.17 | dembug | a suicidal developer is no use |
| 07:28.18 | Guerin | Daveman: nowhere on god's green earth has a cost of living that high |
| 07:28.24 | dembug | I told easyinternet to fuckoff |
| 07:28.29 | Daveman | Apartments here START at 2mil |
| 07:28.31 | dembug | probably the most stupid thing I've done to record |
| 07:28.34 | Guerin | presuming you're talking some sensible currency like a dollar or quid or euro |
| 07:28.42 | Daveman | and the dollar blows these days |
| 07:28.45 | Daveman | :P |
| 07:28.53 | dembug | Unfortunately they will either fuck you, pay you shit.. Or pay you lots to have a nervous breakdown |
| 07:28.54 | dembug | ;] |
| 07:29.02 | Daveman | pretty much :) |
| 07:29.06 | niru | Daveman, with qemu file=/hd-media/filename is accepted |
| 07:29.13 | dembug | yeah... I knew i should've practiced piano more as a kid |
| 07:29.14 | Daveman | okay? |
| 07:29.19 | Daveman | hah |
| 07:29.21 | niru | Daveman, but when booting it does not take hd-media |
| 07:29.23 | Daveman | dembug :) |
| 07:29.29 | Daveman | niru o_O |
| 07:29.32 | Daveman | okay |
| 07:29.36 | dembug | "late" start today, 5:20am |
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| 07:30.23 | Daveman | ~_~ |
| 07:30.24 | apt | :/ |
| 07:30.32 | dembug | Daveman: it's okay though I'm happy, I have my reputation now.. For being a whining bastard |
| 07:30.33 | Rat409 | lol |
| 07:30.42 | Daveman | haha |
| 07:30.50 | Daveman | I suppose ... that... ... wait, that's not that good |
| 07:30.54 | Daveman | well, whatever |
| 07:30.57 | Daveman | so long as you're content |
| 07:31.07 | dembug | and that is why fundamentally, as a rule I will not hire people who are not whingy because they will do whatever they "feel" like doing |
| 07:31.11 | Daveman | and your software isn't perpetually exploding |
| 07:31.15 | dembug | lol |
| 07:31.18 | dembug | "it works" |
| 07:31.24 | nvz | what you want is work-- and pay++ |
| 07:31.29 | Daveman | ¬_¬ |
| 07:31.34 | Daveman | "works" ... |
| 07:31.38 | Daveman | KTHXPHP |
| 07:31.39 | dembug | haha |
| 07:31.40 | semprix | :] |
| 07:31.45 | Daveman | gawd |
| 07:31.46 | dembug | and thats the best i will ever do |
| 07:31.50 | Daveman | I need to make an intarweb poster for that now :[ |
| 07:31.54 | dembug | lol |
| 07:31.59 | Daveman | PHP |
| 07:32.04 | nvz | heh |
| 07:32.05 | Daveman | Caption: "It works..." |
| 07:32.06 | dembug | yeah have a nice php4 script in the foreground.. |
| 07:32.12 | dembug | and a nuclear bomb in the background |
| 07:32.23 | Daveman | with a 10yr old at the KBRD |
| 07:32.25 | dembug | the executives head diagonally popping across on the right |
| 07:32.27 | dembug | and "it works" |
| 07:32.29 | Daveman | finger-on-the-button |
| 07:32.31 | dembug | slap in the centre ;p |
| 07:32.31 | Daveman | yeah |
| 07:33.00 | dembug | ok, your on.. time to start google image crawling |
| 07:33.13 | dembug | first to get a copyright lawsuit wins |
| 07:33.34 | Daveman | :D |
| 07:33.54 | dembug | http://defendersoftheplanet.org/Images/NuclearExplosion02.jpg we have a candidate |
| 07:33.59 | Daveman | that... and/or, a defamation lawsuit :p |
| 07:34.03 | dembug | ahahaa |
| 07:34.07 | Daveman | ;p |
| 07:34.19 | Daveman | OMG |
| 07:34.23 | laurly | what was the command to see how much space was left on the diffrent mount partitions? |
| 07:34.27 | Daveman | haha no, I totally got the watermarked image to throw on |
| 07:34.28 | dembug | df -h |
| 07:34.34 | Daveman | NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED |
| 07:34.37 | dembug | lol |
| 07:34.47 | Daveman | the reference is unimaginably good :] |
| 07:34.51 | dembug | ahaha |
| 07:34.59 | dembug | open sesame photoshop |
| 07:35.07 | Daveman | I hope I don't get suits showing up at my doorstep anytime soon :( |
| 07:35.23 | Guerin | http://www.stuff.co.nz/4200797a6160.html # yes, folks, this is one of our elected representatives |
| 07:35.26 | dembug | lol you won't |
| 07:35.31 | dembug | its the UK we havent learnt what a lawsuit is, yet |
| 07:35.33 | Daveman | they're like... SIR, KEEP YOUR HANDS WHERE WE CAN SEE THEM, AND GIVE US THE NUCLEAR MATERIAL! |
| 07:35.37 | Daveman | haha |
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| 07:35.48 | laurly | i need to make a linux cheet sheet comand list :) |
| 07:35.53 | dembug | heh laurly |
| 07:36.06 | Guerin | laurly: careful you don't want to use any GFDL apps |
| 07:36.10 | laurly | hey i set up virtual hosting yesterday all by myself :) |
| 07:36.19 | dembug | http://www.stuff.co.nz/4200797a6160.html |
| 07:36.20 | dembug | LOL |
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| 07:36.29 | dembug | I heard about this.. |
| 07:36.36 | dembug | I should try something similar |
| 07:36.48 | Daveman | haha craigslist for nuclear bomb |
| 07:36.57 | Daveman | Who wants a USED nuke, anyway? |
| 07:37.00 | laurly | Guerin not realy sure whats used my X used to take care of the server im still trying to figure this all out. |
| 07:37.01 | tictac | laurly: anyone who can read httpd.conf can setup virtual hosting on their own |
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| 07:37.16 | laurly | tictac yes but how many woman can :) |
| 07:37.25 | tictac | my sister can. |
| 07:37.30 | laurly | hehe nice :) |
| 07:37.46 | laurly | ok question nr 2. how do i add a ftp user? |
| 07:37.49 | dembug | "Proposition #1090: introduce new shutdown alias to exec in main.inc code" |
| 07:38.05 | dembug | always refer to it as "$letsgoup" |
| 07:38.07 | laurly | just give me the command i can read man files or look it up just point me in the right direction |
| 07:38.23 | dembug | laurly do yourself a favour and install webmin or something ;p |
| 07:38.27 | Guerin | NOES |
| 07:38.30 | dembug | uhh, use https though |
| 07:38.31 | Guerin | not webmin |
| 07:38.37 | Guerin | !webmin |
| 07:38.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 07:38.38 | Daveman | hahahahaha |
| 07:38.40 | laurly | debhelper. then i wouldnt learn anything would i. |
| 07:38.42 | dembug | LOol |
| 07:38.46 | dembug | he doesnt know how to add an ftp user |
| 07:38.46 | Daveman | what's next, cpanel? |
| 07:38.50 | dembug | he needs webmin, badly |
| 07:38.51 | laurly | thats like telling ppl to install phpmyadmin.......... |
| 07:38.58 | Guerin | then he has no business running a ftpd |
| 07:39.06 | dembug | i do tell people to install phpmyadmin |
| 07:39.11 | Guerin | laurly: manpages are fun |
| 07:39.15 | dembug | because they only coe back whining if i tell them to do it in the console |
| 07:39.15 | semprix | phpmyadmin is useful |
| 07:39.19 | semprix | in some sense |
| 07:39.20 | dembug | ;] |
| 07:39.20 | Daveman | dembug, that... and php programs running via embedded javapplets, in his webmin interface! |
| 07:39.27 | dembug | LOL |
| 07:39.31 | Daveman | x_x |
| 07:39.34 | laurly | Guerin back in the day i wrote a few of the man pages for mysql wonder if there still there. |
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| 07:39.51 | Guerin | laurly: probably unrecognisably manugulated |
| 07:39.53 | laurly | Guerin i have run linux before but its been like 5 years |
| 07:39.54 | Daveman | heh |
| 07:40.03 | Daveman | laurly :) |
| 07:40.16 | laurly | and that was slackware this is debian |
| 07:40.26 | laurly | and a server and i dont wana break anything :) |
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| 07:40.54 | semprix | laurly: your regular system user can ftp to your ftp server |
| 07:41.22 | laurly | yeah i can ftp but a friend needs to upload something thats to big to email to me. easer to just give him ftp access to the server |
| 07:41.26 | dembug | ahhh i should come here more often |
| 07:41.28 | dembug | it is like detox |
| 07:41.40 | tictac | lol |
| 07:41.43 | Daveman | :D |
| 07:41.47 | Daveman | compared to... what? o.O |
| 07:41.51 | Daveman | or do I even want to know? |
| 07:41.51 | semprix | laurly: so you can ftp so how can your friends ftp to that server? |
| 07:41.52 | ebw | I want to dump the list of debian packages installed and use this list for an automatic reinstall of those packages in case of an emergency. Are there any programms which do this? |
| 07:41.54 | Daveman | -_- |
| 07:41.56 | variable_office | i am installing debian on a system with 2 sata drives on a 3ware 8000 series pci raid card; when i get to setting up the partitions it just sits at 33% forever; any ideas? |
| 07:42.00 | dembug | Guerin well pointed out though, i have been brainwashed by stupid people |
| 07:42.02 | tictac | now if only there was a cisco channel such as this :D |
| 07:42.10 | Daveman | dembug, oh well |
| 07:42.15 | laurly | semprix no i need to give him an ftp account i beleave. |
| 07:42.17 | Guerin | dembug: at least you realise it |
| 07:42.24 | dembug | haha yeah |
| 07:42.25 | Daveman | seems like you're steadily gaining a bit of intelligence? |
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| 07:42.37 | dembug | Awareness is all i have left |
| 07:42.38 | dembug | ;] |
| 07:42.48 | Daveman | EMERGE, FROM THE REALM OF ASSHATTERY! |
| 07:42.49 | ebw | Are there any bacula users here, which do not read one of the bacula mailinglists? |
| 07:42.51 | semprix | laurly: so create him a user then on that server |
| 07:42.56 | laurly | you guys are fun to talk to. |
| 07:43.00 | Daveman | teh intarnets has poisoned you |
| 07:43.00 | dembug | ahaha |
| 07:43.01 | Daveman | :( |
| 07:43.12 | semprix | and edit your ftp server config or what so ever to allow that user |
| 07:43.16 | dembug | mostly it is stupid customers or people who want to work for us |
| 07:43.22 | dembug | I get these job applications |
| 07:43.24 | dembug | omfg dude.. |
| 07:43.25 | Daveman | bbbbbbrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiinnnnnssssss |
| 07:43.41 | dembug | You know.. the sort of people on the internet that see a job going spare.. |
| 07:43.54 | dembug | You end up adding something like "idiots need not apply" to it or something |
| 07:44.02 | tictac | Guerin: on? |
| 07:44.06 | dembug | then get an email that is 5 lines long saying how much experience they don't have |
| 07:44.25 | Guerin | one is fucking great, and one is stone-cold stupid as a box of hammers, no idea how he got through the hiring process .... and I hired him! |
| 07:44.33 | tictac | route-map them into the waste basket |
| 07:44.34 | dembug | LOL |
| 07:44.38 | Guerin | tictac: media analysis malarkey |
| 07:44.53 | tictac | match experience <5 |
| 07:44.57 | dembug | heh |
| 07:45.01 | tictac | set next-hop trashcan |
| 07:45.14 | tictac | that'll get em |
| 07:45.20 | Daveman | IT'S COMCASTIC! |
| 07:45.21 | dembug | So Guerin you work in marketing I take it |
| 07:45.37 | tictac | Guerin: sounds really boring |
| 07:45.39 | dembug | something that uses lots of data ;o |
| 07:45.57 | Guerin | dembug: fuck no |
| 07:46.02 | dembug | hahah |
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| 07:46.16 | Supaplex | !wound Daveman |
| 07:46.19 | techbie | IDENTIFY free_thinker |
| 07:46.22 | semprix | Guerin: they must be too good to sale talks |
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| 07:46.28 | semprix | sales talk |
| 07:46.30 | Guerin | tictac: stuff happening in the world, and people trying to turn it all into a circus, is *really* freaking ineresting |
| 07:46.47 | dembug | lol Sememmon not necessarily lol bullshitters sell more things than people like I Do |
| 07:46.59 | Daveman | Supaplex! |
| 07:47.04 | Daveman | :D |
| 07:47.08 | dembug | *semprix even |
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| 07:47.18 | tictac | Guerin: i fell asleep before even reaching the first comma |
| 07:47.23 | Guerin | semprix: nah, i dunno. He must have just had a couple of strong coffees that day. |
| 07:47.24 | dembug | lol |
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| 07:47.31 | semprix | lol |
| 07:47.45 | Guerin | tictac: the zeroes ... the ones ... they get dull after a while |
| 07:47.51 | Guerin | meatspace is fun |
| 07:47.56 | Supaplex | Guerin: a sixpack of redbull, all in one 15 min break. |
| 07:48.00 | dembug | lol |
| 07:48.00 | laurly | ohh i made a user :) |
| 07:48.02 | tictac | Guerin: bgp never gets dull |
| 07:48.09 | dembug | eesh |
| 07:48.10 | Daveman | eww |
| 07:48.11 | dembug | it does when it breaks |
| 07:48.13 | dembug | ;[ |
| 07:48.21 | Daveman | Tell 'em... "I'll break you!" |
| 07:48.24 | tictac | thats when it gets fun. |
| 07:48.24 | dembug | LOL |
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| 07:48.28 | suprano | hi there |
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| 07:48.38 | laurly | ok now i have a question. |
| 07:48.48 | tictac | laurly: ask away. we need a linux question. :P |
| 07:48.53 | laurly | i did this: chown jsmith:users /home/jsmith |
| 07:48.59 | Guerin | dembug: to answer your earlier question, I debug marketspeak for counter-marketers |
| 07:49.05 | dembug | -R perhaps? ;] |
| 07:49.11 | tictac | laurly: tell me your not using ubuntu. |
| 07:49.12 | dembug | Guerin: ohh, fun |
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| 07:49.28 | Guerin | dembug: my training is as a political scientist, in propaganda :) |
| 07:49.32 | laurly | now when i do ls -la on the home dir. why do the other user dirs not have that user thing as the group but there name rather and does it matter? |
| 07:49.34 | dembug | ahhhh |
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| 07:49.44 | dembug | I'm writing a book at the moment Guerin that talks a lot about the "ministry of propoganda" |
| 07:49.48 | tictac | laurly: -R does a rescursive chown that traverses all directories below it. |
| 07:49.50 | laurly | tictac no idea what that is :) |
| 07:49.53 | dembug | it talks about how scientists are the most expert at producing this data ;] |
| 07:50.00 | dembug | and You would know, if i was right, right? ;] |
| 07:50.02 | Supaplex | !confuse The Consumer |
| 07:50.03 | dpkg | Yes, who are our ferret today, The Consumer? trousers of the people's republic of tibet with extra cheese |
| 07:50.03 | Guerin | dembug: no such thing. It's all outsourced. |
| 07:50.05 | tictac | laurly: that works for me :) |
| 07:50.09 | laurly | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/2 <--- i followed that |
| 07:50.12 | dembug | ohhh |
| 07:50.28 | tictac | woo. 10 mins till i can deploy call manager updates |
| 07:50.30 | Daveman | :) |
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| 07:50.48 | dembug | are you setting up webspace laurly |
| 07:50.51 | dembug | like user:www-data |
| 07:51.08 | laurly | no just giving a friend ftp access now so he can upload soemthing to me |
| 07:51.24 | dembug | oh i see ;o |
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| 07:51.30 | dembug | laurly give him shell access if hes a mate |
| 07:51.33 | dembug | use scp.. so much cleaner |
| 07:51.39 | dembug | less emissions |
| 07:51.46 | nvz | hah |
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| 07:51.50 | laurly | most of the virtual hosting works the main site does just the sub domain was messed up i dont have time to look at it to day |
| 07:51.50 | tictac | less everything :P |
| 07:52.07 | dembug | less everything , more encryption, less whining, moaning, and fucking with bad ftpd's |
| 07:52.08 | dembug | ;] |
| 07:52.36 | dembug | ftp - the best way to transfer data without encryption - by majority |
| 07:52.39 | nvz | whining moaning and fucking don't sound all that bad |
| 07:52.49 | dembug | heh |
| 07:52.58 | dembug | yeah we are surrounded by marketing and counter-marketing |
| 07:52.59 | Daveman | heh... emissions |
| 07:53.01 | laurly | yeah i think i gave him shell access only im not sure about the fire wall. we had it set so that only ppl from X ip could ssh to the server no idea if that effects ftp |
| 07:53.03 | dembug | it is a sort of subliminal brainwashing ;] |
| 07:53.04 | Daveman | FUNNY YOU SAY THAT |
| 07:53.15 | tictac | damn. i thought i was going to have to prep for my test tomorrow, instead im deploying updates on a virtual server. |
| 07:53.18 | laurly | and i really dont want to play with the firewall |
| 07:53.21 | dembug | or.. i just really miss the other half |
| 07:53.22 | dembug | ;] |
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| 07:53.47 | Guerin | dembug: most of it isn't very subliminal |
| 07:53.53 | dembug | oh really :< |
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| 07:54.25 | stray_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.39 | tictac | laurly: no. you dont want that. |
| 07:54.42 | dembug | I'm genuinely interested in marketing because I know a little bit about NLP, post hypnotic suggestion, conditioning.. to me a lot of marketing relies on advertising (correct me if im wrong) - and the advertising sets people up for further marketing strategy |
| 07:54.52 | dembug | so you could describe adverts as a type of post-conditioning |
| 07:54.55 | tictac | laurly: worry about your subdomains now and ubuntu later :P |
| 07:55.00 | laurly | god no its not that! |
| 07:55.05 | dembug | and .. it is already apparent why am not into marketing.. |
| 07:55.10 | dembug | ;[ |
| 07:55.29 | laurly | isnt there a shell command to give me the debian version and kernal nr? |
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| 07:55.35 | dembug | uname -a |
| 07:55.37 | Daveman | dembug, no kidding! :P |
| 07:55.40 | laurly | uname -a |
| 07:55.43 | dembug | no kidding ;o |
| 07:55.46 | Daveman | daveman -a |
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| 07:55.59 | Daveman | all your davemen |
| 07:56.00 | laurly | Linux piggy 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:56.01 | dembug | However.. I am constantly described as "freak" "fuckhead" "fuckoff" "conspiriwhat?" |
| 07:56.08 | dembug | I quit at conspiriwhat |
| 07:56.13 | Daveman | :P |
| 07:56.14 | Daveman | good call |
| 07:56.17 | laurly | man im going to have to figure out how to do the patches soon |
| 07:56.20 | Daveman | so... WHERE do you work, dembug? :p |
| 07:56.26 | Daveman | haha |
| 07:56.29 | Daveman | wow, it's too late |
| 07:56.33 | dembug | ahaha |
| 07:56.39 | dembug | i would rather not say |
| 07:56.41 | Guerin | stupid question alert |
| 07:56.44 | nvz | never seen either |
| 07:56.46 | Daveman | I just read that, as: <laurly> man im going to have to configure out how to do the patches soon |
| 07:56.48 | Guerin | which season of The Office is first/better, UK or US? |
| 07:57.01 | Guerin | nvz: woah |
| 07:57.02 | dembug | I liked the UK the office |
| 07:57.09 | Guerin | nvz: you're |
| 07:57.12 | dembug | the christmas special was priceless |
| 07:57.15 | tictac | dah bush is making another fscking speech? |
| 07:57.17 | Guerin | nvz: in |
| 07:57.24 | dembug | bushbaby! |
| 07:57.28 | Daveman | crackbaby! |
| 07:57.29 | Guerin | nvz: channels |
| 07:57.41 | nvz | I'm |
| 07:57.46 | tictac | he is going to say the same shit he said 3 days ago.. today |
| 07:57.51 | nvz | four |
| 07:58.01 | Guerin | ZO |
| 07:58.06 | tictac | im in iraq serving, so its 3 for me. |
| 07:58.09 | tictac | :) |
| 07:58.09 | dembug | Daveman: suffice to say, i work for a backwards company, running a backwards network, on a backwards pay |
| 07:58.40 | Daveman | sounds like microsoft... |
| 07:58.42 | dembug | gosh tictac |
| 07:58.43 | Daveman | ;p |
| 07:58.45 | simonrvn | M$hit? |
| 07:58.46 | tictac | dembug: id walk backwards out the door and into something that pays frontward |
| 07:58.49 | dembug | lol no.. |
| 07:58.54 | Daveman | or anybody :p |
| 07:58.55 | dembug | I did work experience at M$ when i was a kiddy |
| 07:58.58 | tictac | er forward* |
| 07:58.58 | dembug | reading campus |
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| 07:59.02 | Daveman | and now? |
| 07:59.03 | zophy | can i install windows xp onto a partition with vmware and then boot windows from that partition with grub or lilo ?? |
| 07:59.07 | dembug | and now i keep the fuck away |
| 07:59.13 | dembug | lol |
| 07:59.14 | Daveman | I can sense your inner kiddie... |
| 07:59.23 | dembug | I'm 23 |
| 07:59.28 | tictac | zophy: yes if you install the grub/lilo AFTER windows install |
| 07:59.42 | Guerin | callow youthling |
| 07:59.47 | dembug | kiddy is acceptable because in a few years I will have a crisis. |
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| 07:59.56 | maddash | windows rocks! |
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| 08:00.03 | dembug | uhh, yes |
| 08:00.03 | Daveman | dembug, that's being optimistic,... isn't it? |
| 08:00.03 | maddash | closed-sourcedness ftw! |
| 08:00.05 | dembug | if your a retard |
| 08:00.15 | maddash | dembug: yes, "your" a retard. |
| 08:00.16 | Daveman | giving yourself a few ... years... |
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| 08:00.22 | Daveman | well, let's hope so, right? :P |
| 08:00.24 | dembug | you're ;p |
| 08:00.27 | Daveman | :D |
| 08:00.28 | dembug | I'm dyslexic |
| 08:00.30 | laurly | ok why does the password work right for the shell acess but not ftp access? |
| 08:00.32 | dembug | mock me if you will ;] |
| 08:00.50 | Daveman | laurly, perhaps they have nothing to do with one another? |
| 08:00.53 | tictac | dembug: dyslexic is not mixing up 'your' and 'you're' |
| 08:00.58 | laurly | grrr. |
| 08:00.59 | Daveman | what password auth is the ftpd using? |
| 08:01.00 | dembug | yes it is |
| 08:01.06 | tictac | it has nothing to do with it |
| 08:01.06 | dembug | because I know it's meant to be you're |
| 08:01.11 | laurly | crap! |
| 08:01.11 | dembug | people like you tell me all the fucking time ;( |
| 08:01.15 | Daveman | dembug, see: grammatically-fucked |
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| 08:01.16 | simonrvn | no, that's a common grammatical error... |
| 08:01.30 | zophy[] | don't use grammar then |
| 08:01.35 | dembug | if you say so , but "your" wrong ;p |
| 08:01.36 | Daveman | UGGH |
| 08:01.43 | Guerin | zophy[]: impossible |
| 08:01.49 | simonrvn | dnt yuze gramer den |
| 08:01.55 | utab | hi guys, there is a strange problem with my debian box. When I opened the computer this morning, I can not connect to internet, I can not ping local machines in the network nor google.com, however I can ping my gateway, what could be the problem |
| 08:01.56 | Daveman | zophy, STOP PROPONING INTARWEBISM, KTHX. |
| 08:01.57 | Guerin | that's speling |
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| 08:02.04 | maddash | 'proponing'? |
| 08:02.06 | Guerin | !beer Daveman |
| 08:02.08 | Daveman | yes, look it up! |
| 08:02.17 | Guerin | maddash: an entirely cromulent word, sir! |
| 08:02.42 | Guerin | heh |
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| 08:02.45 | simonrvn | what your is thing points that door bear |
| 08:02.50 | Daveman | yeah |
| 08:03.00 | simonrvn | sounds like spam |
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| 08:03.02 | Guerin | my wife just smoked the whole house out cooking steaks, and a fire engine just went past at speed |
| 08:03.06 | Daveman | uhh, you think? :P |
| 08:03.08 | |^o_o^| | I have very big icon on my desktop how to make it small? I have upgraded to 4.0 etch |
| 08:03.17 | Daveman | Guerin, a coincidence? I THINK NOT! |
| 08:03.18 | Daveman | :P |
| 08:03.32 | Guerin | we live out of town, 10km from the nearest fire station, we never see them |
| 08:03.47 | Guerin | and there was a frightening 30s as we considered it might actually be for us |
| 08:03.53 | Guerin | mind you |
| 08:04.01 | simonrvn | holy, it's 4 already? crap, no wonder i'm tired |
| 08:04.05 | Daveman | ah :P |
| 08:04.10 | Daveman | simonrvn, yeah it is! |
| 08:04.13 | dembug | Not many people understand dyslexia... I am sick of people assuming that I am stupid because i continually make the same mistake again and again. Now, for some reason I always say your even though I know its you're, and given that i am a pedantic mother fucker you would think that if I could help it I would! :[ |
| 08:04.15 | Guerin | i have had fire departments called on me before |
| 08:04.25 | dembug | and so i drop myself in for "your a stupid, lazy bastid then" line |
| 08:04.26 | dembug | ;p |
| 08:04.28 | Guerin | Daveman: `your' isn't dyslexia |
| 08:04.31 | Daveman | dembug, I think it's past your bedtime... |
| 08:04.44 | Daveman | Guerin, you don't have to tell ME that. |
| 08:04.44 | Daveman | :P |
| 08:04.59 | dembug | Past by bed time.. its 9am |
| 08:05.01 | simonrvn | dembug: i don't think you're stupid, though i've only seen you here for a little while :P |
| 08:05.07 | Daveman | o_O |
| 08:05.09 | dembug | Thanks |
| 08:05.10 | Daveman | oh... lollerbrits? |
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| 08:05.13 | tictac | lol |
| 08:05.15 | Daveman | -_-; |
| 08:05.15 | Guerin | not as stupid as that dalias character |
| 08:05.23 | Daveman | haha |
| 08:05.34 | simonrvn | s/he is just confused i think |
| 08:05.37 | dembug | I'm sorry, i'm clearly not dyslexic and I clearly have no idea what the fuck it is, because you people who aren't dyslexic know better. Oh ok then. |
| 08:05.39 | Daveman | very questionable, he was... or so I thought, at the time... ¬_¬ |
| 08:05.53 | Guerin | dembug: ooh, cranky |
| 08:06.00 | dembug | Yes |
| 08:06.01 | simonrvn | dembug: dude, it's ok |
| 08:06.16 | dembug | I'm tired of it.. I know its you're/your and i always use your.. and it is because i'm dyslexic |
| 08:06.19 | dembug | if you don't agree, fine. |
| 08:06.26 | Guerin | my brother is dyslexic. The issue is not with *using* language it's with *learning* it. |
| 08:06.34 | simonrvn | dembug: you just do your best, that's all people can ask from you, and you from yourself |
| 08:06.36 | Guerin | you've learnt it |
| 08:06.47 | Guerin | but the issue is: everyone's condition is different |
| 08:06.51 | dembug | You are clearly ignorant of the fact there are different types of dyslexia, and different causes of it |
| 08:06.53 | simonrvn | same goes for everyone BTW |
| 08:07.00 | Guerin | yes, totally ignorant of that fact |
| 08:07.35 | simonrvn | dembug: and don't let people tell you otherwise |
| 08:07.37 | Guerin | in any case, I didn't mean to hit a nerve - you brought it up, that makes it fair game., |
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| 08:07.46 | dembug | simonrvn: I won't chap |
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| 08:07.58 | simonrvn | dembug: good :) |
| 08:07.59 | dembug | Sorry for getting cranky.. but I've lived with this problem a while... |
| 08:08.21 | Supaplex | then why'd you marry her? |
| 08:08.29 | dembug | grr ;o |
| 08:08.30 | simonrvn | take care folks |
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| 08:08.56 | dembug | <Guerin> my brother is dyslexic. The issue is not with *using* language it's with *learning* it. < --- total drivel by the way |
| 08:09.25 | dembug | just go on thinking that |
| 08:09.26 | dembug | im off now |
| 08:09.39 | Guerin | dembug: don't tell me, tell the neuroscientists. |
| 08:09.41 | maddash | simonrvn: EST FTW! |
| 08:09.51 | dembug | will do chap |
| 08:09.54 | dembug | and sorry for having a go ;] |
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| 08:10.04 | utab | I want to repeat, I can not connect to internet in a university network, however there were no problems last night. This morning I can not, I can not ping local machines in the network, for instance the computer I am using now, nor google. But I can ping my gateway what could be the problem, Thanks |
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| 08:10.25 | maddash | utab: the problems in the coherency |
| 08:10.29 | maddash | problem's* |
| 08:10.36 | dembug | well if you can route through the gateway, its the gateway.. |
| 08:10.39 | dembug | *can't |
| 08:10.47 | Supaplex | utab: traceroute |
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| 08:10.59 | utab | maddash: ?? |
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| 08:11.29 | maddash | utab: try pinging an IP, not a hostname |
| 08:11.30 | Supaplex | utab: I think he means your question is incoherent. |
| 08:11.52 | utab | Supaplex: in what sense |
| 08:12.06 | maddash | utab: this could be a DNS problem. |
| 08:13.05 | utab | maddash: hmmm, but from last night to morning |
| 08:13.29 | utab | maddash: I left it fine and found back like this :S |
| 08:13.30 | maddash | Guerin's wife stayed with you? |
| 08:13.57 | maddash | utab: maybe the dns server you're using is down.`cat /etc/resolv.conf` |
| 08:14.36 | cec | maddash try dhclient |
| 08:14.40 | Guerin | you WISH my wife stayed with you |
| 08:14.43 | Guerin | she's awesome |
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| 08:14.47 | utab | maddash: yes , but on this computer I am typing is not that using the same dns server this one is perfectly OK |
| 08:14.49 | SF8 | why, off the same internet connection, does my Debian box download 10 times slower than my Windows box? |
| 08:15.09 | Guerin | SF8: impossible to say. |
| 08:15.14 | maddash | cec: why? |
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| 08:15.33 | maddash | utab: 'is not that using'? wtf? |
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| 08:15.44 | cec | it will resolve any dns problems |
| 08:15.53 | maddash | cec: he might not be using dhcp. |
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| 08:15.58 | cec | if that is your problem |
| 08:15.59 | SF8 | is there something that is limiting it? |
| 08:16.02 | PietroGiovanni | could anyone help me with alsa? |
| 08:16.03 | maddash | cec: he might not even HAVE dhcp |
| 08:16.23 | maddash | SF8: depends. wget a kernel from a reliable server, say, mit |
| 08:16.28 | cec | true |
| 08:16.43 | maddash | SF8: eg, `wget http://www.mit-lcs.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.22.5.tar.bz2` and note the download rate |
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| 08:17.04 | Guerin | SF8: try tuning the MTU down to 1492 |
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| 08:17.10 | PietroGiovanni | alsaconf runs well but then sound is still fubar |
| 08:17.14 | cast | morning all. |
| 08:17.25 | SF8 | god I hate this voice-recognition software with a vengeance |
| 08:17.49 | DustyBin | im using ssh public/private keys now to log into servers but if i log into a server from a machine without the private key im still prompted for user password, how do you disable ssh password logins and only have public/private key ssh logins? ive got the /etc/ssh/sshd_config open but im unsure on what i need to change. |
| 08:18.03 | splat1 | Question for HW/Kernel People, Need to disable DMA at boot for the root device, other then the broken kernel option ide=nodma is there any other way ? |
| 08:18.08 | maddash | SF8: which? |
| 08:18.16 | cast | DustyBin: search for password :) |
| 08:18.22 | sf7 | VileVoice |
| 08:18.47 | splat1 | DustyBin, there is a little example of that in its man page I think |
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| 08:19.00 | DustyBin | PasswordAuthentication yes <--- change this to no? |
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| 08:19.04 | maddash | DustyBin: man sshd_config|grep -i root |
| 08:19.06 | splat1 | DustyBin, yep |
| 08:19.07 | sf7 | has just hung my xp box :/ |
| 08:19.25 | utab | maddash: I mean the other computer that I actually use, |
| 08:19.33 | maddash | DustyBin: 'disablerootlogins', or something like that. |
| 08:19.35 | sf7 | Guerin: How? |
| 08:19.49 | DustyBin | aye disable root logins is the first thing i do :D |
| 08:19.53 | cast | vim /etc/ssh/sshd_config<enter>/password<enter>n |
| 08:21.26 | PietroGiovanni | alsa problems here... desperate need for help |
| 08:21.50 | cast | PietroGiovanni: when i first installed loonix i didn't have sound for 6 months, i had a radio :D |
| 08:22.04 | maddash | rofl 'loonix |
| 08:22.11 | splat1 | cast, hehe so im not the only one that did that |
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| 08:22.36 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: define "fubar" |
| 08:23.01 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: what program were you running that allowed you to conclude, "fubar"? |
| 08:23.01 | splat1 | bah need to disable DMA at boot and all I can find is broken switches |
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| 08:23.30 | bintut | hello.. |
| 08:23.41 | PietroGiovanni | fubar is: alsa installs, alsaconf runs, it recognizes my soundcard model, but lsmod|grep snd throws nothing |
| 08:24.11 | bintut | how do you guys implement an "auto-provisioning config file" from dhcpd server to your workstations? |
| 08:24.18 | PietroGiovanni | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.21 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: then `modprobe snd` |
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| 08:24.51 | PietroGiovanni | maddash: nothing either |
| 08:25.00 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: what soundcard is this? |
| 08:25.07 | SF8 | how do i tweak my internet settings in Debian? it is downloading 20 times too slow |
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| 08:25.58 | maddash | SF8: what is it downloading? |
| 08:25.59 | PietroGiovanni | VIA something... |
| 08:26.11 | PietroGiovanni | rather old in a compaq machine |
| 08:26.17 | ebw | SF8: Maybe its the server which is slow |
| 08:26.22 | SF8 | but I get the same disparity on any download |
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| 08:26.44 | SF8 | no, I pull the plug and putting my Windows box in it is fast |
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| 08:27.11 | ebw | SF8: Which programm do you use to download something? |
| 08:27.15 | SF8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.21 | splat1 | PietroGiovanni, google to see what driver it uses, then modprobe it |
| 08:27.21 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: alsaconf should tell you what module to load. it's usually, `modprobe snd-***` |
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| 08:27.25 | SF8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.29 | ebw | SF8: That could be. |
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| 08:27.35 | SF8 | how do I find out? |
| 08:27.41 | maddash | SF8: ifconfig |
| 08:28.00 | maddash | SF8: ifconfig [intf name]|grep txqueuelen |
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| 08:28.57 | PietroGiovanni | alsaconf tries to find the exact driver and if it doesnt work, i have to modprobe it? something like that? |
| 08:29.07 | PietroGiovanni | via82xx VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 20) |
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| 08:29.28 | simmel | I'm suffering from second-length stallings and very bad req/s on a JSON-RPC Web application. Works badly Linux (Debian) -> Linux but works great BSD > Linux. Anyone who got a suggestion how to tweak? |
| 08:29.37 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: so `modprobe snd-via82xx` |
| 08:29.40 | PietroGiovanni | modprobe snd-via82xx? |
| 08:29.43 | PietroGiovanni | ok |
| 08:30.18 | maddash | sure, if we know what the fuck you're talking about |
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| 08:30.59 | PietroGiovanni | maddash: should that command echo any lines at all? |
| 08:31.05 | DustyBin | shit i just changed my ssh port number on my VPS logged out then tried to log back in... i forget to change iptables |
| 08:31.08 | DustyBin | arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 08:31.23 | cast | DustyBin: use the serial console thingy |
| 08:31.44 | SF8 | ifconfig doesnt specify speed, only MTU:1500 |
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| 08:32.27 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: no. |
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| 08:32.56 | maddash | SF8: that's because you're not grepping well enough. try the second command. |
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| 08:33.43 | PietroGiovanni | ok |
| 08:33.48 | PietroGiovanni | it didnt |
| 08:33.54 | PietroGiovanni | now what? |
| 08:34.41 | SF8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.09 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: now blast away |
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| 08:35.27 | maddash | SF8: is your interface up? |
| 08:35.30 | bolt | My samba server keeps sending out these broadcast packets. How can I stop it from doing so? I don't have any other samba services on that segment, so there's no apparent reason for it to do this. Sep 13 09:24:42 gt kernel: IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:00:00:d4:85:40:08:00 SRC=192.168.2.2 DST=192.168.2.255 LEN=229 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=138 DPT=138 LEN=209 |
| 08:36.41 | splat1 | bolt, got any samba clients ? |
| 08:37.00 | slap | how do i find MX infor for a domain |
| 08:37.03 | slap | using dig |
| 08:37.06 | bolt | splat1: yes, but they're all connecting through the router. none on that segment, so none of them will get the broadcast messages anyway. |
| 08:37.06 | SF8 | maddash - I don't understand what that means (doh) |
| 08:37.25 | moshii | slap: tell dig you want the mx records |
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| 08:37.49 | DustyBin | ok ive managed to log into the box from the console |
| 08:37.53 | moshii | slap: dig mx domain.com |
| 08:38.06 | en1gma | i just added a drive and im not sure how to make it automount when system boots up...i created a dir /media/storage and 'mount /dev/hdd1 /media/storage' but cant remember what i need to do next |
| 08:38.07 | splat1 | bolt, ah, they are normally used to decide on pecking order for the master server, best to dig at the docs |
| 08:38.14 | en1gma | im sure its something with fstab |
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| 08:38.17 | en1gma | or mtab |
| 08:38.26 | DustyBin | does anybody know how to flush 1 iptables rule? and replace it with another? this is the rule i need to flush: |
| 08:38.29 | DustyBin | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:1303 |
| 08:38.35 | maddash | SF8: `ifconfig [intf] up` |
| 08:38.40 | moshii | en1gma: put it in your fstab |
| 08:38.42 | DustyBin | i need to change that port number with another |
| 08:38.52 | maddash | SF8: there's always a txqueuelen in ifconfig's output |
| 08:39.09 | en1gma | moshii easier said then done...i cant remember the permissions...do i just look in mtab and copy that info to fstab? |
| 08:39.28 | moshii | en1gma: permissions? |
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| 08:39.41 | en1gma | user,auto etc... |
| 08:39.44 | maddash | en1gma: add 'auto' to the line in fstab |
| 08:39.52 | moshii | en1gma: use defaults |
| 08:40.10 | en1gma | so when i mounted it...it automaitically put it in fstab? |
| 08:40.19 | maddash | en1gma: yes |
| 08:40.24 | maddash | en1gma: no |
| 08:40.25 | moshii | en1gma: no, it automatically goes in the mtab |
| 08:40.34 | maddash | en1gma: you need to add a line to fstab yourself |
| 08:41.12 | maddash | en1gma: assuming that it's currently mounted, use the output `mount` to help you create the entry in fstab |
| 08:41.29 | moshii | maddash: TBH it's not that hard |
| 08:41.58 | moshii | /dev/hd?? /mountpoint fstype defaults 0 0 |
| 08:42.01 | moshii | job done. |
| 08:42.26 | en1gma | thnx...but i was just looking in fstab and dont swap actually get a mount point too? cause it says "none" |
| 08:42.42 | moshii | en1gma: no, swap isn't an fs |
| 08:42.49 | en1gma | ok |
| 08:42.50 | en1gma | thnx |
| 08:42.57 | SF8 | 'ifconfig eth0 up' doesn't display anything. |
| 08:43.15 | maddash | SF8: `ifconfig eth0 up ; ifconfig eth0 ; ifconfig eth0|grep len` |
| 08:43.25 | moshii | en1gma: that's just there so when the initscripts run they add the swap partition to the kernels swap pool |
| 08:43.27 | SF8 | 'ifconfig eth0' returns eight lines which don't contain txqueuelen |
| 08:43.48 | en1gma | aight gonna test this out brb |
| 08:43.49 | maddash | SF8: paste the output |
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| 08:43.56 | maddash | geezus kryst |
| 08:44.11 | moshii | maddash: also, you don't need to specify auto in the fstab.. auto is the default behavior |
| 08:44.26 | maddash | moshii: he didn't ask for the default behavior, he asked for auto. |
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| 08:44.40 | maddash | moshii: nor did he specify that he'd never fiddled with fstab |
| 08:45.05 | moshii | maddash: you have to tell it not-to-auto mount |
| 08:45.19 | maddash | wtf are you talking about? |
| 08:45.33 | moshii | meh |
| 08:45.35 | sf7 | maddash: http://pastebin.com/m54daba5b |
| 08:45.43 | maddash | if he wants auto, why would I tell him to add "noauto"? |
| 08:46.02 | moshii | maddash: yes, but you don't need auto at all |
| 08:46.03 | maddash | sf7: pastebin.ca is so much cooler. but w/e. |
| 08:46.16 | maddash | moshii: yes, but how do you know he wants the defaults? |
| 08:46.18 | maddash | geez |
| 08:47.02 | moshii | maddash: because thats what he would have got when he mounted the drive with mount /dev/ /mountpoint |
| 08:47.16 | maddash | moshii: how do you know that the default settings are exactly what he wants |
| 08:47.18 | maddash | ? |
| 08:47.44 | maddash | moshii: giving him defaults is like cutting off a leg to treat an infarction |
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| 08:48.16 | moshii | maddash: so the fstab d-i creates is bad(tm)? |
| 08:48.16 | maddash | sf7: unbelievable. do you know the sysfs addr of eth0? |
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| 08:48.32 | py_ | hello |
| 08:48.46 | maddash | sf7: ls /sys/class/net/eth0/ |
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| 08:49.38 | maddash | moshii: the fstab the installer creates is minimal. wtf does it have to do with an extra mount point? |
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| 08:49.48 | en1gmaa | looks nice |
| 08:49.49 | py_ | I need to compile a kernel for a slow box running debian sarge, may I do it on a (faster) Feisty Fawn laptop, or am I going to face troubles and better be patient and compile "in place" ? |
| 08:49.50 | en1gmaa | thanks |
| 08:50.38 | maddash | py_: assuming that you're using make-kpkg, you'd probably want to compile in place (not entirely sure). anyway, you can speed up the compile times with distcc |
| 08:51.41 | moshii | maddash: the point is you don't need to specify options in most cases, writing about cutting of legs doesn't change that fact |
| 08:51.55 | py_ | maddash, yes I planned to use make-kpkg, to get a clean .deb which would be deployed to several other similar boxes afterwards |
| 08:52.29 | maddash | moshii: the point is that you're nuking iraq when all he asked was to take out saddam |
| 08:52.30 | sf7 | .. /sys/class/ doesnt exist: http://pastebin.com/m4f44ba8b |
| 08:52.39 | moshii | py_: the only trouble is can see is that ubuntu's make-kpkg will be using ubuntu's mkinitrd scripts etc |
| 08:53.15 | maddash | py_: christ. if you're on ubuntu, then forget it. use distcc. |
| 08:53.29 | maddash | py_: google, "myrddin kernel distcc" |
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| 08:53.51 | maddash | sf7: is this debian? |
| 08:53.53 | SF8 | also in that paste, why do I have to do 'su -' each time I want to ls ? |
| 08:53.56 | SF8 | yes |
| 08:54.00 | moshii | py_: why do you need to compile a kernel for the sarge box? |
| 08:54.06 | py_ | moshi, maddash: thanks, will look into distcc |
| 08:54.09 | maddash | SF8: `uname -a` |
| 08:54.21 | maddash | moshii: cuz it's so fucking slow. |
| 08:54.24 | SF8 | installed from a net boot disk |
| 08:54.30 | maddash | 'I need to compile a kernel for a slow box running debian sarge' |
| 08:54.33 | sf7 | uname -a |
| 08:54.39 | sf7 | doh wrong prompt :p |
| 08:54.51 | moshii | maddash: building a kernel won't improve performance |
| 08:54.59 | en1gmaaa | you ever see all those warnings (locale not set) when you do a dist-upgrade? does 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' fix all those warnings |
| 08:55.00 | sf7 | Linux SunFish7 2.4.27-3-386 #1 Wed Dec 6 00:38:33 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:55.15 | maddash | sf7: I could be wrong, but if you could be seriously fucked if your sysfs is "fubar" |
| 08:55.20 | DustyBin | because all my servers now use public/private keys, if im at my friends house who uses windows and i want to log into my box how would i do it? could i copy putty + the private key onto a usb drive and do it from that? |
| 08:55.30 | py_ | moshii: I need to disable EDID to avoid the box to hang at bootup when no screen is plugged in, between grub and kernel bootup (that's what the board's manufacturer told us) |
| 08:55.30 | nvz | what would timezones have to do with locales |
| 08:55.44 | moshii | DustyBin: you need to generate a key with putty's tool and use that |
| 08:55.46 | nvz | en1gmaaa: dpkg-reconfigure locales maybe |
| 08:55.54 | en1gmaaa | i dont know but i remember someone talling me that long time ago i thought |
| 08:56.02 | moshii | py_: there may be a kernel option to do that |
| 08:56.07 | en1gmaaa | nvz trying it now |
| 08:56.16 | variable_office | i have 2gb of ram in my machine, but it only sees 1gb, is debian only able to see 1gb by default maybe? |
| 08:56.18 | moshii | py_: probably better to find that option and run a stock kernel |
| 08:56.19 | maddash | sf7: sry, I meant, `cat /proc/version` |
| 08:56.26 | variable_office | the bios sees all 2gb |
| 08:56.40 | py_ | moshii: you are right, will search for that first. |
| 08:56.53 | maddash | variable_office: maybe. pastebin your /boot/config-`uname -a` |
| 08:57.18 | moshii | py_: where does it hang at boot? I didn't realise the kernel read the EDID |
| 08:57.21 | variable_office | maddash just a second, thanks |
| 08:57.37 | maddash | variable_office: forget it. |
| 08:57.59 | maddash | variable_office: 'grep -rin highmem /boot/config-`uname -a`' |
| 08:58.14 | hark | variable_office: use a 686/k7 kernel |
| 08:58.17 | maddash | variable_office: pastebin the output of *THAT* |
| 08:58.35 | hark | variable_office: what does uname -r say? |
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| 08:59.19 | PietroGiovanni | maddash: ok... this alsa sh1t aint working... any alternatives? |
| 08:59.32 | hark | maddash: btw, uname -r there ;) |
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| 09:00.22 | variable_office | maddash no such file or directory |
| 09:00.45 | variable_office | uname -r |
| 09:00.45 | variable_office | 2.6.18-5-486 |
| 09:00.47 | py_ | moshii: I didn't realize either. It hangs just before the line "Uncompressing the kernel..." (and thus after grub) if no monitor is plugged in. We reported to the board manufacturer (its a geode based kind of embeeded board), and he told us after some research that we had to disable EDID in the kernel for the board to boot properly headless |
| 09:01.00 | variable_office | hark 686 kernel would fix this? |
| 09:01.05 | hark | yes |
| 09:01.14 | variable_office | can i install that with apt? |
| 09:01.15 | maddash | variable_office: 'uname -a' should be 'uname -r', as Hark suggested |
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| 09:01.44 | DustyBin | ive found a problem, if i use: PasswordAuthentication no it stops ssh logins just what i want and i can use the keys instead, but one of my users is for SFTP and id like to keep that login as a normal password, is there any way around this? |
| 09:01.53 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: it took you a reboot to figure that out? lsmod|grep snd |
| 09:01.55 | hark | variable_office: install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 09:02.02 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: define "aint working" |
| 09:02.25 | maddash | 686 wouldn't help if it doesn't have highmem enabled |
| 09:02.28 | moshii | py_: weird, I think it'll be a framebuffer setting then.. hanging just before the kernel switches into a proper fb |
| 09:02.35 | PietroGiovanni | maddash: aint working as in no mixer because of "device not found" error |
| 09:02.51 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: and you have the modules loaded? |
| 09:02.56 | PietroGiovanni | nope |
| 09:02.59 | PietroGiovanni | never where |
| 09:03.01 | hark | maddash: i wouldn't have suggested it otherwise |
| 09:03.06 | PietroGiovanni | were* |
| 09:03.10 | py_ | is there a place somewhere where all available kernel options are listed/documented? |
| 09:03.17 | variable_office | do i want that or linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem ? |
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| 09:03.37 | moshii | py_: you could possibly tell the kernel to use only a serial console, that'd be more useful headless anyhow |
| 09:04.26 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: then what were you expecting? |
| 09:04.36 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: modprobe the freakin' module |
| 09:04.38 | hark | variable_office: that's for 4-64G RAM |
| 09:04.56 | PietroGiovanni | maddash: modprobed it... still dont hear sh1t |
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| 09:05.11 | variable_office | maddash, if i upgrade the kernel will i need to reinstall things like the postgres server? |
| 09:05.16 | py_ | moshii: not really. Serial port is already in use, and we only connect to the boxes through ssh, or by plugin in a monitor in at certain (rare) times |
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| 09:05.23 | variable_office | hark, ok so go with regular 686 |
| 09:05.24 | maddash | variable_office: heck no |
| 09:05.34 | PietroGiovanni | http://paste.debian.net/36981 |
| 09:05.38 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: how do you try to "hear shit"? |
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| 09:06.02 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: aplay or something? |
| 09:06.06 | PietroGiovanni | aplay |
| 09:06.06 | variable_office | maddash, so everything will come back up correctly? great. |
| 09:06.14 | PietroGiovanni | and i hear alot of bullshit |
| 09:06.23 | py_ | moshii: how can I figure out if there is a kernel option available at all to disable that EDID stuff? I was unable to locate anything with google, but may have been bad at it... |
| 09:07.04 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: er, try xmms or other |
| 09:07.22 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: aplay only eats raw or wav |
| 09:07.34 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: and it sounds like you're feeding it some compressed format |
| 09:07.43 | |^o_o^| | I have wheel mouse and I have upgraded to 4.0 but my wheel is not working? |
| 09:07.43 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: what you're hearing is indigestion. |
| 09:07.58 | PietroGiovanni | maddash: now i hear music |
| 09:08.00 | moshii | py_: i think you just need to change the video option so that the kernel doesn't need to probe, gimme a second I'm looking :) |
| 09:08.03 | PietroGiovanni | wasnt that hard afterall |
| 09:08.06 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: way to go. geez. |
| 09:08.21 | PietroGiovanni | would it be too much to ask sound from my flashplayer now? |
| 09:08.22 | PietroGiovanni | :P |
| 09:08.25 | maddash | PietroGiovanni: next time, `man aplay`before using it |
| 09:08.39 | PietroGiovanni | yeah, should have man'ed it... |
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| 09:10.58 | PietroGiovanni | maddash: god... i even have flashplayer sound |
| 09:11.00 | PietroGiovanni | amazing |
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| 09:11.37 | py_ | moshii, thx a lot! |
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| 09:13.21 | maddash | py_: don't hold your breath. |
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| 09:13.46 | dobby | I have a tape library connected to my host. when I look at dmesg I got the following error: scsi0 (0,3,2) : reservation conflict. Is this a serious problem? Or can I just ignore it? |
| 09:14.26 | infinity0 | need ALSA help, anyone? i installed a patched (with patch_realtek.c and hda_proc.cversion of alsa-drivers-1.0.14 yesterday |
| 09:14.29 | infinity0 | whoops |
| 09:14.45 | infinity0 | need ALSA help, anyone? i installed a patched (with patch_realtek.c and hda_proc.c) version of alsa-drivers-1.0.14 yesterday and the installation was successful but still no sound |
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| 09:15.06 | maddash | infinity0: alsaconf, dude |
| 09:15.07 | py_ | maddash, lol |
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| 09:15.31 | infinity0 | ah ok i'll try that |
| 09:16.12 | moshii | maddash: you're an arse |
| 09:16.40 | maddash | no, I'm right. |
| 09:16.49 | moshii | py_: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/svga.txt -- I think setting a standard mode in there will stop the kernel starting the vesafb.. |
| 09:16.57 | infinity0 | maddash: nope, still no sound |
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| 09:17.12 | moshii | py_: the vgacon should work and not do any probing |
| 09:17.22 | infinity0 | computer thinks i have a soundcard but it's just not playing at all |
| 09:17.31 | infinity0 | soundcard is fine, cos it works in windohz |
| 09:17.44 | maddash | infinity0: ask hark, I'm tired. |
| 09:17.49 | infinity0 | lol k |
| 09:17.57 | infinity0 | hark: uh hi are you there? |
| 09:18.15 | moshii | maddash: <insert slashdot 14 year old jokes about you being a bald hairy guy that lives at his mums place here> |
| 09:18.36 | robboplus_ | moshii do you have a problem? |
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| 09:19.00 | moshii | robboplus_: nope, apparently maddash does |
| 09:19.23 | robboplus_ | i would suggest stopping the whines |
| 09:19.29 | py_ | moshii: ok, I'll try that right now :-) |
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| 09:20.38 | alexbodn | hi all |
| 09:20.46 | moshii | py_: you could use one of the pci options to disable the graphics controller totally also |
| 09:21.24 | moshii | py_: in the long run it's better to find out exactly where the problem is so that it can be reported and fixed |
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| 09:22.26 | moshii | robboplus_: yeah, ok sorry dad |
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| 09:22.35 | utab | I could not connect to internet after I opened my computer this morning and on the output of ifconfig I see that I can not get ip address, instead the address of the gateway is listed, so what could be the prpblem |
| 09:22.51 | moshii | utab: you use dhcp? |
| 09:22.55 | infinity0 | maddash: uh... can i talk to you regarding that stuff you sent or are you still too tired? |
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| 09:23.02 | utab | moshii,yes |
| 09:23.07 | maddash | infinity0: fire away |
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| 09:23.24 | maddash | utab: then dhclient, for fuck's sake. |
| 09:23.24 | utab | moshii, normally last night everything was ok |
| 09:23.36 | moshii | utab: if you run dhclient <interface>... do you get an ip address? |
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| 09:24.03 | infinity0 | maddash: k well i tried what you said and still didn't work... alsamixer shows all volumes OK. the mute button and volume control buttons are ok... except there's a light on the mute button which should indicate if it's muted or not but it stays off whatever i do |
| 09:24.05 | moshii | maddash: you horse is getting very high, I would hate for you to fall from it |
| 09:24.23 | maddash | moshii: you know what else is high? |
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| 09:24.46 | utab | moshii , dhclient eth0 results in the same output in the ifconfig |
| 09:24.51 | moshii | maddash: high things? |
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| 09:25.05 | retro_neo | I have default cron jobs like this, what are they for ? [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && find /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -print0 | xargs -r -0 rm |
| 09:25.08 | moshii | utab: did you get any dhcp offers or naks? |
| 09:25.25 | retro_neo | also : [ -d /var/lib/php5.1 ] && find /var/lib/php5.1/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/share/php5.1/maxlifetime) -print0 | xargs -r -0 rm |
| 09:25.31 | utab | moshii , you mean during boot up |
| 09:25.54 | maddash | infinity0: mute button led is probably controlled by a driver specific to your hardware. is your volume muted? lsmod|grep snd and pastebin the output (if any) |
| 09:26.11 | moshii | utab: no, when you run dhclient you should see it sending requests and then hopefully offers from a dhcp server |
| 09:26.22 | infinity0 | maddash: kk hang on |
| 09:26.33 | alexbodn | i have a disk from an working system installed and booting a new computer, with 2 ata disks. |
| 09:26.33 | alexbodn | on the ata disks i've created 2 raid1 devices, and on the second only, a lvgroup. |
| 09:26.33 | alexbodn | everything mounts ok when booted from the old disk, but nothing happens when i attempt to boot from the ata. i suspect grub isn't properly installed on /dev/sd[ab]. any idea? |
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| 09:26.45 | infinity0 | maddash: btw i'm on my main comp, gnu/linux is on my laptop (doesn't have net) |
| 09:26.57 | moshii | utab: if you get no offers your won't get an ip address and it ain't going to work |
| 09:26.59 | bit0 | hello. Using Openoffice.org 2.2.1 i can't select any java runtime environment. |
| 09:27.05 | infinity0 | what's the debian pastebin address again? |
| 09:27.08 | maddash | infinity0: geez. |
| 09:27.18 | Ronin | infinity0: pastebin.ca |
| 09:27.36 | utab | moshii, yes DHCPREQUEST and DHCPACK are there |
| 09:27.51 | utab | moshii , but can not paste the output |
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| 09:28.16 | moshii | utab: do the last couple lines indicate that you got an ip address? |
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| 09:29.22 | utab | moshii,only bound to 192.168.0.175 |
| 09:29.32 | utab | moshii,only bound to 192.168.0.175 |
| 09:29.58 | moshii | utab: you got an ip address then.. in the output of ifconfig that address isn't there? |
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| 09:31.05 | infinity0 | maddash: http://pastebin.ca/695408 |
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| 09:31.45 | utab | moshii, I get bound to ... |
| 09:31.53 | infinity0 | (also when i try to load snd_hda_codec it gives me a bunch of errors, but for some reason the install didn't make this load on bootup) |
| 09:31.55 | maddash | infinity0: where's ac97? |
| 09:32.07 | maddash | what errors? |
| 09:32.09 | utab | moshii but that is not my ip I know for sure |
| 09:32.13 | infinity0 | didn't show up on lsmod | grep snd |
| 09:32.20 | infinity0 | what's ac97? |
| 09:32.29 | moshii | utab: if it's dhcp it may have changed |
| 09:33.09 | utab | moshii, I see so any other idead |
| 09:33.11 | utab | ideas |
| 09:33.15 | py_ | moshii: hum... I tried vga=0x0f00, 0x0f04 with no change so far |
| 09:33.20 | maddash | infinity0: never mind, what errors from *_codec? |
| 09:33.43 | moshii | py_: geode is x86 isn't it? |
| 09:33.49 | infinity0 | maddash: a bunch of "disagrees about version of symbol snd_*" |
| 09:33.52 | py_ | moshii: yes it is |
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| 09:34.44 | maddash | infinity0: that 'bunch' could be incredibly useful. |
| 09:35.02 | moshii | utab: try pinging your gateway, makes sure your /etc/resolv.conf is good.. less likely but maybe you're getting the "wrong ip" because there is a rogue dhcp server running |
| 09:35.21 | infinity0 | maddash: so..how do i fix it? |
| 09:35.30 | moshii | py_: do you know what graphics chipset is on that board? |
| 09:35.39 | maddash | by giving me the error output ? |
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| 09:36.44 | py_ | moshii: not exactly, will look for that info. I tested with 0x0F01 (smaller font), and it does indeed change to a smaller font before it hangs (I can see it by lugging the monitor back in afterwards) |
| 09:36.55 | stse | Hi! I have a problem with testing (32bit, i386): Since the update of libxml2 to version 2.6.30.dfsg-2 openoffice doesn't work anymore: "/usr/lib/openoffice/program/javaldx: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: |
| 09:36.57 | stse | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.20 | stse | A downgrade to version 2.6.29.dfsg-1 fixes it. |
| 09:37.39 | moshii | py_: I think it hangs when it changes to the framebuffer for the chipset on the board.. |
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| 09:37.59 | infinity0 | maddash: oh right ok hang on |
| 09:37.59 | slap | is there easy to use imap server |
| 09:38.03 | slap | easy to setup |
| 09:38.25 | moshii | py_: the driver probably probes there using some legacy feature that isn't there in your board |
| 09:38.33 | infinity0 | maddash: lol nv,md i got the sound to work by editing /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 09:38.42 | infinity0 | maddash: but for some reason the mute button does jack shit lol |
| 09:39.25 | utab | moshii , I can ping my gateway |
| 09:40.11 | utab | moshii, one question the machine I use now also has a resolv.conf, do the both for the same network be the same |
| 09:40.26 | maddash | infinity0: what did you edit? |
| 09:40.30 | infinity0 | maddash: ahh i get it the keyboard mutebutton/volumebuttons are contrlling the headphone output, how do i get them to control the PCM output? |
| 09:40.30 | utab | I mean the problem pc and this one |
| 09:40.45 | moshii | py_: if the board has a spare serial UART that isn't in use passing console=ttyS?,115200 or similar will disable the local console |
| 09:40.45 | infinity0 | maddash: added http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Soundcard#Setting_up_modprobe_and_kmod_support |
| 09:40.48 | maddash | infinity0: what did you do inside alsa-base, I mean |
| 09:40.56 | maddash | ah. |
| 09:41.04 | infinity0 | maddash: and also the line option snd-hda-intel model=auto |
| 09:41.28 | moshii | utab: resolv.conf contains your DNS servers, both should probably be the same |
| 09:42.03 | utab | moshii, but they are not the same one entry is the same but the other is different |
| 09:42.05 | infinity0 | maddash: oh, model=toshiba i mean, even though my laptop isn't a toshiba :/ |
| 09:42.14 | infinity0 | i just read it off some website |
| 09:42.19 | maddash | infinity0: I don't think you can, because pcm is software, but the buttons are hardwired |
| 09:42.24 | sf7 | http://www.osnews.com/story.php/2949/The-Very-Verbose-Guide-to-Updating-and-Compiling-Your-Debian-Kernel/page2/ |
| 09:42.34 | sf7 | im having trouble here: near the bottom. |
| 09:42.48 | sf7 | it says i should do "apt-get install tk8.2 make gcc bin86 libc6-dev kernel-package" |
| 09:42.53 | maddash | 2.4? geez. |
| 09:43.04 | moshii | utab: try adding the missing entry from the working one to the top of the broken one |
| 09:43.05 | sf7 | but this fails. is tk8.2 obsolete? |
| 09:43.05 | infinity0 | maddash: oh, so what about the main output? |
| 09:43.17 | maddash | infinity0: what about it? |
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| 09:43.30 | moshii | utab: you might have a working connection but a broken resolver |
| 09:43.32 | maddash | use libncurses5-dev. |
| 09:43.39 | maddash | sf7: ^^ |
| 09:43.39 | sf7 | k |
| 09:43.44 | infinity0 | maddash: well atm the volumebuttons are ctronolling the headphone output, isn't that software too instead of pcm? |
| 09:43.53 | utab | moshii, actually, I tried that but then after a restart it goes back to the problem state |
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| 09:44.12 | maddash | infinity0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software |
| 09:44.26 | infinity0 | lol right right well i didn't know what PCM is |
| 09:44.42 | moshii | utab: does it work when you change it though? |
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| 09:45.06 | utab | moshii ,nope |
| 09:45.08 | maddash | then what freakin' difference does it make to you? |
| 09:45.11 | utab | moshii wait |
| 09:45.24 | Enigma | how can I reinitialize the mysql datafile-structure? /var/lib/mysql is empty |
| 09:45.45 | moshii | utab: /etc/resolv.conf gets rewritten by dhclient, so that's why it changes back on boot |
| 09:46.27 | utab | moshii, I got that I changed that do I have to do something additional |
| 09:46.39 | utab | moshii , after changing |
| 09:47.09 | melvin_ | hello. how can i force a kernel panic on etch? |
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| 09:48.18 | infinity0 | maddash: basically i can't control the output volume using my keyboard buttons. when i use the ALSA mixer it changes the "headphone output" when i need it to change the "pcm" output, and when i use the OSS mixer it changes the "PCM-2" output when i need it to change the "volume" output |
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| 09:48.31 | moshii | utab: you need to this that your gateway works, traceroute and that your DNS works |
| 09:48.41 | appelza | hi guys, how do I add more than one ip address to a single interface (and the first ip must be obtained using dhcp) |
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| 09:49.10 | utab | moshii ,the first action you mentioned |
| 09:49.13 | appelza | i used to use ip addr add IPHERE interface, but the 'ip' package doesnt come with debian ;< |
| 09:49.27 | utab | moshii , can you be more specific |
| 09:49.43 | py_ | moshii: I just tested the serial console solution. First with screen plugged in: the line "Uncompressing the kernel..." does appear on the monitor, but the rest doesn't. This is exactly the expected behavior. When I do the same with no monitor plugged in, this line does not appear at all, so it hangs anyway... Weird! |
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| 09:50.10 | melvin_ | "echo c > /proc/sysrq-trigger" doesn't work for me |
| 09:50.54 | melvin_ | appelza: use iproute package |
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| 09:51.12 | ribasushi | hi |
| 09:51.18 | PietroGiovanni | now that i have sound, im off to listen to music |
| 09:51.21 | PietroGiovanni | bye |
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| 09:51.44 | moshii | py_: the uncompressing kernel line comes from the bootloader.. |
| 09:52.00 | ribasushi | currently if I need a package from experimental I go to the web, download the releant deb(s) and install them manually with dpkg - is there a saner way to do this _without_ switching to an experimental distro (if there is such a thing at all) |
| 09:52.59 | py_ | moshii: hum... I don't think we still are in the bootloader when it hangs, because it changes the font properly when I ask to do so, before hanging. Or is it the bootloader that does change it? I don't think so |
| 09:53.11 | infinity0 | maddash: nvmd, apparently there's two set of ctronols for headphone output and laptop's-own-speakers output, i'l be using other speakers anyway so that's fine |
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| 09:53.25 | infinity0 | maddash: thanks for the help, or attempt anyway, even though you didn't actually do anything :P |
| 09:53.41 | melvin_ | ribasushi: you can use aptitude install -t experimental <package> |
| 09:53.49 | moshii | py_: true, do you have anything you can connect to the serial port, you may see the reason there |
| 09:53.53 | py_ | moshii: about the graphic chipset, lspci gives 00:01.1 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Geode LX Video |
| 09:54.30 | py_ | moshii: I don't think it works any better when on serial console: it hangs the very same way at the very same point |
| 09:54.57 | moshii | py_: mmm does the board have an lcd controller? |
| 09:55.29 | py_ | moshii: yes it has an lvds controller also |
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| 09:57.07 | py_ | moshii: I tried disabling it or not in the bios, but it didn't change a thing... maybe I should try disabling AND the serial console |
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| 09:59.26 | py_ | moshii: just did it: bios configured to use CRT only, and serial console: hangs the same way |
| 09:59.27 | moshii | py_: if you can find where on the bus the graphics chipset is you can disable it totally |
| 09:59.54 | maddash | py_: didn't I tell you not to hold your breath? |
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| 10:00.04 | py_ | moshii: how can that be done? |
| 10:00.11 | py_ | maddash: lol ;-) |
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| 10:01.17 | moshii | maddash: so bless us with your knowledge then |
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| 10:02.22 | moshii | maddash: being the big man your are you should be offering to disassemble the bios on py's board to resolve the problem by now |
| 10:03.14 | moshii | py_: I'm just looking up the options, looking at the docs for the geode stuff... the graphics hardware is pretty funky/broken on some of the chips |
| 10:03.26 | py_ | moshii: I thought he was joking and not criticizing your kind efforts to help me... that's the way I understood it at least |
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| 10:03.44 | maddash | er, I'm not big, nor am I a man? geez. |
| 10:03.47 | moshii | py_: nah, he's being a big headed arsehat |
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| 10:04.21 | moshii | don't use defaults in your fstab, it'll start a war in iraq.. wtf, more outside time for 'ye |
| 10:04.40 | liable | hrm, my middle button and trackpoint are making iceweasel forward and back load pages |
| 10:04.58 | liable | i cant find it in about:config |
| 10:05.01 | py_ | moshii: at the same time I'm trying a kernel compilation on another of those boxes disabling EDID (the way the manufacturer told me) to see what comes out |
| 10:05.15 | maddash | liable: it's 'mouse horiz' or something |
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| 10:05.34 | maddash | liable: horizscroll.withnokey.action |
| 10:05.45 | liable | maddash: danke |
| 10:05.51 | moshii | py_: yeah, weird though.. the EDID shouldn't be probed when the hardware isn't used you would have thought.. |
| 10:05.54 | maddash | liable: heh, I changed it so that I get 2-D scrolling w/ the trackpoint |
| 10:06.10 | py_ | moshii: yeah, it doesn't make much sens |
| 10:06.13 | py_ | sense |
| 10:06.17 | maddash | liable: and fwd/back when alt is held down |
| 10:06.40 | moshii | py_: maybe when the kernel does a probe of the pci bus at the start of booting it forces the graphics chipset to look for a monitor.. |
| 10:06.41 | liable | maddash: 2d scrolling? |
| 10:06.50 | maddash | liable: up/down, left/right |
| 10:07.00 | maddash | liable: or diagonals |
| 10:07.18 | liable | maddash: i got up/down, but if i pushed hard, it would go back forward too |
| 10:07.43 | moshii | py_: maybe a reason not to use x86/legacy x86 bios in embedded hardware |
| 10:07.43 | maddash | liable: yeah, well, change horizscroll.withnokey.action to "0" |
| 10:07.58 | liable | maddash: yeah, done. thanks |
| 10:08.27 | py_ | moshii: anyway I need the boards we have to work... |
| 10:08.46 | maddash | liable: and change sysnumlines too, or else your horizontal scrolling would stay opposite to what you'd expect |
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| 10:09.44 | Snapser | Does anyone know of some good storyline role playing games? |
| 10:10.04 | liable | maddash: hrm, it works as i want. maybe thats backwards :) |
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| 10:10.53 | moshii | py_: yup, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO.html -- most of the kernel options I think |
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| 10:12.50 | py_ | moshii: that's the board: http://www.avalue.com.tw/products/EPI-LX800.cfm |
| 10:12.53 | maddash | haha, woot, ssh connection kept alive with random typing! |
| 10:13.13 | maddash | damn, nvm |
| 10:17.37 | user1__ | how do i enable php4 in this fucking piece of shit debian apache2 crappy conf.d system |
| 10:17.46 | user1__ | why the fuck does debian have to go with conf.d |
| 10:18.03 | user1__ | split file into small ones so we can easily miss some of them |
| 10:18.41 | maddash | hm, is echoing to /dev/tty2 the same as sending the echoed command across the ssh session on tty2? |
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| 10:29.21 | infinity0 | google akhbar, amen ¬.¬ |
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| 10:32.06 | ctp | hi folks. how to find out if a package is installed in a bash script? |
| 10:32.42 | ctp | i need something like: if package foo is installed remove it. |
| 10:32.54 | infinity0 | just remove it, if it's not there it'll do nothing |
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| 10:33.31 | ctp | infinity0: ah, ok. thx ;-) |
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| 10:33.48 | infinity0 | np, well assuming you're using apt-get remove that is, or apt-get remove --purge |
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| 10:35.20 | infinity0 | hehe thought you people might enjoy this: http://infinity0.deviantart.com/art/GNU-Linux-vs-Windows-64741990 |
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| 10:37.33 | py_ | how to get make-kpkg to use distcc? |
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| 10:39.59 | tictac | export CC="/path/to/distcc" ? |
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| 10:42.19 | cast | infinity0: :) |
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| 10:43.52 | infinity0 | ^_^ |
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| 10:49.29 | xand | n4ng33k: turn that off please |
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| 10:52.08 | Gaidin | hey, in gnome my keyboard volume keys change master how would i make them change headphone? (alsa mixer) |
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| 10:53.23 | user1__ | HELP |
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| 10:53.34 | user1__ | it looks like mod php is disabled in my apache2 |
| 10:53.40 | user1__ | i didn't disabled it |
| 10:54.01 | infinity0 | oh also btw i found this if anyone doesn't know already: http://fosswire.com/2007/09/08/fix-a-frozen-system-with-the-magic-sysrq-keys/ |
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| 10:56.36 | jelly-home | yeah, SysRq feat. is not exposed enough. It's also in the debug section and Debian kernel guys took some time to enable it |
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| 10:59.30 | jelly-home | !a2enmod |
| 10:59.30 | dpkg | a2enmod enables or disables an apache2 module |
| 10:59.57 | Gener1c | if im dling debian kde cd image will i be able to install it as testing or sid via network? |
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| 11:00.29 | Gener1c | cd1 |
| 11:00.37 | Gener1c | only cd1 |
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| 11:00.56 | cast | don't bother downloading cd1 of etch if you want testing/sid, waste of bandwidthx2 |
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| 11:01.34 | Gener1c | i didnt find a kde cd 1 for sids |
| 11:01.59 | Gener1c | can i do it via netinst? |
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| 11:02.05 | Gener1c | choose sids and kde |
| 11:02.20 | wsdo_okadr | is there any program around that knows how to do a "ls -R" on a ftp ? |
| 11:02.24 | cast | i don't really think you should be running sid if you're asking these questions |
| 11:02.32 | Gener1c | lol |
| 11:02.42 | Gener1c | i know there is no sid image |
| 11:02.50 | xand | !tell n4ng33k about away |
| 11:03.22 | liable | !tell n4ng33k -about away |
| 11:03.35 | wsdo_okadr | is there any program around that knows how to do a "ls -R" on a ftp ? |
| 11:03.56 | toon | I've compiled a kernel with 1000hz, preemption - 4 computers that have never crashed have crashed the last month now - could it be the extra stress of a 1000hz kernel? I am able to ping the server, and connect to ssh but after I've entered the username and password it just hangs, I am never logged in. |
| 11:03.56 | jbm | ncftp probably |
| 11:04.13 | jbm | though i'd hav to check. |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'us.ktl' returned no results. |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/makeinstall' returned no results. |
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| 11:07.20 | jduggan_ | mofo |
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| 11:10.19 | Jonny | jduggan_: ok |
| 11:10.22 | Jonny | :/ |
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| 11:17.19 | melvin_ | does anybody know how i can force a kernel panic on etch? Alt+SysRg+c doesn't work |
| 11:18.08 | cast | well |
| 11:19.00 | melvin_ | i want to test kexec feature |
| 11:19.14 | amphi | melvin_: cat /dev/urandam > /proc/kcore should do it ;) |
| 11:19.15 | cast | wait, i don't think what i did resulted in a kernel panic :\ [unplugging a cdrom on a pata channel then trying to access the other thing on that channel] |
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| 11:20.14 | melvin_ | as of this url, ther is a parameter http://evuraan.blogspot.com/2005/06/how-to-force-paniccrash-in-linux.html |
| 11:20.45 | foutrelis | cat: write error: Invalid argument :( |
| 11:20.45 | melvin_ | -c crash kernel. but on etch 2.6.18 i git help message from sysrq not crash |
| 11:21.16 | melvin_ | can i overwrite the swap to panic the kernel? |
| 11:21.36 | azeem | melvin_: please ask in a kernel channel, this isn't really on topic here |
| 11:22.18 | melvin_ | is there any debian kernel channel? it seams that it only don't work on debian |
| 11:22.44 | azeem | melvin_: then file a bug |
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| 11:23.30 | melvin_ | ok. i try with a clean kernel or write a bug-report |
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| 11:25.23 | melvin_ | the other question is about nscd |
| 11:25.37 | melvin_ | it doesn't seams to work right on hosts caching |
| 11:25.55 | melvin_ | i tryed fedora glibc2.3.6 and debian etch |
| 11:26.04 | melvin_ | fedora works, debian doesn't |
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| 11:35.50 | py_ | I'm currently running a kernel compile (using make-kpkg), with distcc. It properly distributes stuff to my second computer (distccmon shows it), but most seems to be done locally: load is 4.XX while other box is as low as 0.3. How can I get distcc to send more load to the other, more powerful box? |
| 11:35.54 | fasta | Why is modules.conf.old not deleted from my sysem as update-modules is obsolete? |
| 11:36.12 | wsdo_okadr | is there any program around that knows how to do a "ls -R" on a ftp ? |
| 11:36.42 | fasta | wsdo_okadr: probably you can mount the ftp server via fuse |
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| 11:40.07 | infinity0 | hey people... i'm looking at http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php but there's no debian version. will the ubuntu version be compatible with debian? |
| 11:41.28 | fasta | infinity0: ask the truecrypt mailing list or try for yourself. |
| 11:41.41 | infinity0 | fasta: right ok thanks |
| 11:42.11 | cast | infinity0: there a reason why you're wanting to use truecrypt? |
| 11:42.12 | fasta | infinity0: or just compile it from source |
| 11:42.37 | Sememmon | can anyone recommend a cd ripper that automatically tags files with metadata including album art? |
| 11:42.41 | wsdo_okadr | fasta: can I do that in a fast-straight-forward-way ? |
| 11:42.41 | fasta | infinity0: ./configure --prefix=$HOME && make && make install |
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| 11:42.46 | infinity0 | cast: not really, just wanna try it out, someone suggested it :p |
| 11:42.56 | fasta | wsdo_okadr: I have no idea |
| 11:43.20 | infinity0 | fasta: right ok, thanks... but that won't show up on synaptic as a debian package would it? |
| 11:43.28 | fasta | infinity0: no, it wouldn't. |
| 11:43.37 | cast | infinity0: ahh, well, you can compile it. i suggest you not bother with it though, it doesn't bring anything to the table in !windows land |
| 11:43.39 | fasta | infinity0: but you can make your own debian package |
| 11:44.04 | fasta | infinity0: but that requires you to read specifications of the deb package format. |
| 11:44.10 | fasta | infinity0: i.e. some work. |
| 11:44.13 | infinity0 | fasta: ahh right ok, and make my own debian/rules thing |
| 11:44.23 | infinity0 | cast: what's "!windows land"? |
| 11:44.29 | cast | !! |
| 11:44.29 | dpkg | I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 11:44.32 | fasta | infinity0: but maybe somebody else already did unofficially |
| 11:44.38 | cast | infinity0: ! is not |
| 11:44.54 | infinity0 | fasta: oh right ok, i'll have a search around, thanks :) |
| 11:45.13 | fasta | infinity0: there are other probable more secure packages, though. |
| 11:45.17 | infinity0 | cast: uh "not windows land"? sorry if i'm being slow but i still don't get it... |
| 11:45.21 | infinity0 | fasta: what d'you mean? |
| 11:45.29 | fasta | infinity0: in particular smaller code base. |
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| 11:45.40 | cast | infinity0: we have dm-crypt, which is quite good. |
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| 11:46.08 | infinity0 | yeah i got two dm-crypted disks, just wanted to try this truecrypt thing out :p |
| 11:46.22 | fasta | infinity0: ok, well, try then :) |
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| 11:46.29 | cast | infinity0: if you were wanting to experiment with anything i'd think it should be the LRW mode with dm-crypt |
| 11:46.41 | infinity0 | oh, what's the default? |
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| 11:47.45 | cast | cbc-essiv |
| 11:48.00 | cast | as LRW isn't in 2.6.18, it is in .21 though, |
| 11:49.27 | infinity0 | oh, crap, 2.6.18 is my version |
| 11:49.56 | infinity0 | ahh well, it's not like i have anything that needs encrypting on my lappy |
| 11:50.42 | infinity0 | fasta: btw what did you mean when you said "more secure packages"? |
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| 11:51.14 | fasta | infinity0: I forgot the name of the specific package as I don't use encryption myself now. |
| 11:51.31 | fasta | infinity0: it could well be dm-crypt |
| 11:51.40 | infinity0 | oh, ok |
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| 11:52.04 | fasta | The best you can do is to read the implementation of one product. |
| 11:52.36 | fasta | You need to understand quite some crypto, though, to make sense of it. |
| 11:52.42 | lodder | nano |
| 11:53.14 | infinity0 | fasta: right ok |
| 11:53.21 | infinity0 | cast, fasta: cheers for the help and info :) |
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| 11:55.26 | infinity0 | is there a shredder program for gnu/linux? |
| 11:55.36 | cast | shred, wipe |
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| 11:55.48 | cast | expect them to be ineffective however |
| 11:56.03 | infinity0 | how come? |
| 11:57.01 | cast | info shred |
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| 11:57.10 | CreativeOne | Hello folks, |
| 11:57.34 | CreativeOne | I just ran apt-get install postgresql-8.1' PostgreSQL was installed but it did not install a startup script in /etc/rc.d or /etc/init.d/ |
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| 12:00.06 | infinity0 | cast: ah right ok, well it says it's effective on default ext3 drives |
| 12:00.24 | cast | infinity0: it says the opposite doesn't it |
| 12:00.58 | infinity0 | uh no, data=journal ext3 is ineffective but data=order(default) and data=writeback is OK |
| 12:01.11 | CreativeOne | could someone help me, please? |
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| 12:01.59 | cast | ahh. metadata only journaling be ordered |
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| 12:02.53 | Slap_Stick | hmm, if a server is hanging due to something drainin all the memory, is there a way to get some kind of dump of some sorts when this occurs? It's not actually crashing the box as such just providing no memory for any other services,i just wondered if there was a package that would be useful in getting information on the process responsible or osmething |
| 12:02.54 | cast | aside from that, you still can't be sure of secure deletion |
| 12:03.00 | CreativeOne | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 12:03.05 | CreativeOne | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 12:03.10 | CreativeOne | LANGUAGE = (unset) |
| 12:03.15 | CreativeOne | LC_ALL = (unset), |
| 12:03.20 | CreativeOne | why do i get that error message? |
| 12:03.50 | Slap_Stick | man locale |
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| 12:04.40 | fasta | What are all the mechanisms in lenny/sid that load modules? |
| 12:04.40 | infinity0 | cast: yeah i get that, oh well. 100% security is impossible, heh... eveyrtime i read about "x is a good method" i find some article saying "x has been broken" a few days/weeks later |
| 12:05.28 | fasta | I want to make sure my sound cards are loaded in the correct order, but the system is so opaque that I have no idea why some modules are being loaded. |
| 12:06.07 | fasta | I see /etc/modules, there's also /etc/modprobe.conf, but it's generated by update-modules which is an obsolete program. |
| 12:06.20 | fasta | Does this mean /etc/modprobe.conf is also obsolete? |
| 12:06.31 | fasta | If not, what's the replacement for update-modules |
| 12:06.41 | fasta | Anyway, questions, but I see no documentation |
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| 12:09.05 | threat | hey, why has debian moved from exim to postfix? |
| 12:09.10 | threat | as default MTA |
| 12:09.16 | hark | man modules; man modprobe.conf |
| 12:09.22 | hark | it hasn't |
| 12:09.27 | SlayerXP | threat: it hasn't. |
| 12:09.53 | hark | /etc/modprobe.conf shouldn't be there, as /etc/modprobe.d/* wil be ignored |
| 12:10.12 | threat | oh |
| 12:11.12 | fasta | hark: I read both man pages already |
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| 12:12.34 | fasta | hark: what about modules.conf? |
| 12:12.42 | fasta | hark: should it exist? |
| 12:12.58 | fasta | "No manual entry for modules.conf" |
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| 12:14.26 | fasta | Ok, better question: where can I find a document that explains all the possible ways a module can be loaded on a Debian system? |
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| 12:15.15 | harpal | how can I do remote desktop from windows machine to linux. |
| 12:15.31 | harpal | I have vncserver installed on my debian machine. |
| 12:15.42 | hark | what about it? |
| 12:15.46 | nvz | harpal: do you want to connect to an already running X session or start a new one? |
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| 12:16.14 | harpal | I want to connect already running X session |
| 12:16.26 | nvz | harpal: then you don't want vncserver, you want rfb |
| 12:16.42 | nvz | harpal: are the boxes right next to each other? |
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| 12:18.15 | psyche_ | how i can change charset? |
| 12:18.20 | psyche_ | dpkg-reconfigure ????? |
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| 12:18.25 | nvz | psyche_: console or X? |
| 12:18.28 | psyche_ | console |
| 12:18.37 | nvz | consolechars iirc |
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| 12:18.44 | nvz | !consolechars |
| 12:19.10 | nvz | dpkg: charset |
| 12:19.26 | nvz | dpkg I don't like you anymore |
| 12:19.56 | harpal | nvz: I have krfb also installed on my linux machine. |
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| 12:20.16 | nvz | harpal: never heard of it.. but sounds disgusting |
| 12:20.38 | harpal | I am doing windows remote desktop to that machine but its not connecting |
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| 12:21.02 | nvz | harpal: realvnc.com |
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| 12:21.22 | nvz | harpal: if the machines are sitting right next to each other you would be better off with synergy |
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| 12:22.05 | nvz | !info rdp |
| 12:22.15 | psyche_ | dpkg-reconfigure locales tms? |
| 12:22.17 | psyche_ | etc |
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| 12:22.59 | fasta | How can I kill all programs using the sound device? |
| 12:23.41 | nvz | harpal: you need to start x0rfbserv or whatever the hell the K-crap is called on the linux box then use the viewer from realvnc.com on windows |
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| 12:24.11 | streuner | fasta: man fuser |
| 12:24.38 | streuner | fasta: what kind of error do you get? |
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| 12:24.48 | harpal | ok I am seeing that |
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| 12:26.21 | fasta | streuner: I don't get an error. The main problem I want to solve is that applications use snd-emu10k1 and not snd-intel<something> |
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| 12:26.44 | p3u | hi ! i'm trying to install an etch on a asus mobo with SATA SIS968. I tried to load different sata modules during the install without succes, my disqk isn't recognized. Now i'm looking for help, tips or any idea. Thanks |
| 12:26.46 | bartden | hi, whats a good graphical mail client in linux (running xfce), not thunderbird |
| 12:26.56 | streuner | fasta: using udev? blacklist it (/msg dpkg blacklist) |
| 12:27.04 | fasta | streuner: I am now using modconf to make sure the intel one isn't being loaded, but it would be better if it were my second card. |
| 12:27.16 | fasta | streuner: I think it's already blacklisted. |
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| 12:27.28 | user1__ | does debian default 2.6.18 kernel package has options for iptables? |
| 12:27.41 | user1__ | iptables ready? |
| 12:28.05 | xand | yes. |
| 12:28.44 | fasta | streuner: I killed the process, but it's still "in use". |
| 12:28.55 | streuner | rmmod |
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| 12:29.00 | liable | p3u: put it in compatabilty mode in the bios |
| 12:29.20 | user1__ | ok, so how do i export the exising firewallrules, and import a new existing firewall? |
| 12:29.21 | p3u | i tried AHCI but without any success |
| 12:29.44 | xand | !iptables |
| 12:29.44 | dpkg | i guess iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 12:29.45 | p3u | liable: you are talking about ahci right ? |
| 12:29.47 | streuner | !alsa-checklist |
| 12:29.47 | dpkg | hmm... alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 12:29.52 | fasta | streuner: isn't rmmod an alias for modprobe -r? |
| 12:29.58 | fasta | streuner: -f* |
| 12:30.14 | fasta | streuner: I missed /dev/mixer |
| 12:30.17 | fasta | streuner: it's ok now |
| 12:30.21 | p3u | liable: i have 3 options in the bios : IDE - AHCI - RAID i've tried every options :( |
| 12:30.24 | liable | p3u: whatever is in your bios that says compatable |
| 12:30.26 | harpal | nvz: realvnc.com viewer is not free? |
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| 12:30.32 | Nyle | mornin |
| 12:30.49 | Nyle | real is a bit crappier than tight |
| 12:30.52 | p3u | liable: ok gonna look one more time |
| 12:31.15 | Nyle | xtightvncviewer is very good, many compression options and such |
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| 12:31.58 | fasta | streuner: modconf also calls "update-modules". |
| 12:32.04 | fasta | streuner: is there some tool that is not obsolete? |
| 12:32.11 | streuner | use alsaconf |
| 12:32.19 | sam__ | i have some network devices (transparent bridges i believe) that work with windows but not debian. Are there any additional networking packages that i could install to try? The devices are http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline-pla-14-e.htm If i first plug them into a windows box and then a Debian box then Debian can get a lease. If i do not plug them into doze first then Debian cannot get a lease. |
| 12:32.21 | fasta | streuner: alsaconf also calls update-modules |
| 12:32.33 | fasta | streuner: and it doesn't work |
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| 12:32.45 | fasta | streuner: it inserts a game port module |
| 12:32.48 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 12:32.48 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 12:32.51 | fasta | streuner: instead of the sound driver |
| 12:32.56 | Nyle | get a job |
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| 12:33.30 | fasta | streuner: I was continuing a sentence, do you have some auto responder? |
| 12:33.52 | Nyle | fasta: next timetry one line and many sentences |
| 12:33.59 | Nyle | finish your thought processes. |
| 12:34.00 | harpal | Nyle: xtightvncviewer is not for windows? I want to do remote desktop from windows machine to linux machine |
| 12:34.06 | Nyle | !enter |
| 12:34.07 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 12:34.13 | Nyle | fasta: ^^ |
| 12:34.16 | Nyle | anyway... continue |
| 12:34.18 | p3u | liable: i have looked one more time but there's no "compatible" option, only DISABLE - IDE - AHCI - RAID. Have you got another idea ? |
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| 12:34.32 | Nyle | harpal: it works on both OSs |
| 12:34.45 | Nyle | harpal: apt-get install vncserver xtightvncviewer |
| 12:34.47 | fasta | streuner: so, imho, alsaconf is one big piece of crap. |
| 12:34.57 | Nyle | on windows, you can run tight vnc server and run client on linux |
| 12:34.58 | hark | it is :) |
| 12:35.09 | liable | p3u: whats the sata controller? would have thought it would work set to ide |
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| 12:35.18 | liable | Nyle: ich9 or something? |
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| 12:35.26 | Nyle | I'm sorry |
| 12:35.27 | Nyle | ? |
| 12:35.28 | p3u | liable: its based on a SIS968 |
| 12:35.33 | harpal | from linux to windows I remote desktop working, |
| 12:35.35 | liable | oh, sis |
| 12:35.41 | p3u | yup :( |
| 12:35.41 | streuner | fasta: alsaconf just works for the most people without any headaches |
| 12:35.49 | hark | fasta: read /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/README.Debian.gz |
| 12:35.55 | fasta | streuner: right, for people that only have one device. |
| 12:36.05 | Nyle | alsaconf unloads all snd modules, discovers your card, and loads the modules again. |
| 12:36.23 | fasta | hark: yeah, IIRC, that document admits it |
| 12:36.27 | streuner | disable one soundcard in BIOS, if needed |
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| 12:36.41 | liable | p3u: what installer are you using? |
| 12:36.49 | Nyle | that could be the problem |
| 12:36.51 | streuner | or just blacklist it, make sure you have no entry in /etc/modules |
| 12:37.04 | Nyle | what month is this |
| 12:37.05 | p3u | liable: net-install just downloaded 1 week ago |
| 12:37.12 | fasta | streuner: I did not see an option to disable it in my BIOS |
| 12:37.23 | Nyle | ahh yes, next month hopefully I can get new ati drivers with AI glx |
| 12:37.31 | streuner | second device isnt a onboard-chip? |
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| 12:37.54 | fasta | streuner: one device is onboard-chip the new device is PCI card. |
| 12:37.56 | liable | p3u: hrm, the etch installer should hande ahci |
| 12:38.11 | Nyle | when you plugin in the pci soundcard, on board should stop working automatically,no? |
| 12:38.11 | streuner | so it should be in BIOS, just look harder |
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| 12:38.35 | p3u | liable: i have set ahci in the bios, and during the debian install in expert mode i have added the ahci support, but it doesn't work |
| 12:38.42 | liable | !kmuto |
| 12:38.42 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 12:38.56 | liable | p3u: ^^ try the newest kernel he has |
| 12:39.11 | Nyle | or just use a daily build of the netinstaller? |
| 12:39.14 | debDude | is there a debian package to fetch album art? |
| 12:39.28 | Nyle | debDude: not really that I know of, I however know you can use Amarok to do this |
| 12:39.42 | Nyle | debDude: #amarok apt-get install amarok sqlite or mysql-server |
| 12:39.52 | fasta | Unfortunately, alsaconf can only detect one sound card and is generally |
| 12:39.52 | fasta | a poorly written program. |
| 12:39.54 | debDude | thanks! |
| 12:40.01 | p3u | liable: i'm not sure to understand what you mean ... What do i have to do during the install ? |
| 12:40.03 | fasta | From the docs |
| 12:40.08 | chronographer | hello folks, I have am emergency, well not quite that serious, BUT i was fiddling with a script to move all the avi's in my photos folder, which was only 9, but i got it working and moved them all, then I accidentally deleted a few of the new files, without realising that mv MOVEs the original files over. Is tere any way to recover my rm'ed files ??? |
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| 12:40.20 | liable | p3u: go to that link dpkg said and get one of those installers |
| 12:40.23 | dobeer | hello :) |
| 12:40.32 | Nyle | chronographer: which file system are you using? |
| 12:40.39 | chronographer | ext3 I believe |
| 12:40.40 | p3u | liable: ok thanks will try this |
| 12:40.43 | Nyle | you are fucked |
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| 12:40.46 | chronographer | damn |
| 12:40.48 | chronographer | that sucks |
| 12:41.05 | Nyle | sorry to say, but only ext2 supports undelete because it doesn't zero out the file inode |
| 12:41.12 | chronographer | ok |
| 12:41.24 | Nyle | anyway,you can try to manually scan the hw raw data for patter in file headers and footersmatching those of avi |
| 12:41.29 | Nyle | or whatever else format |
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| 12:41.41 | Nyle | there are a few tools to do this, unfortunately i don't kow the names of them |
| 12:41.44 | chronographer | that sounds rather complex |
| 12:41.59 | Nyle | not really |
| 12:42.04 | Nyle | just grepping kinda |
| 12:42.09 | chronographer | ok. |
| 12:42.22 | Nyle | maybe someone else can tell you more about data recovery |
| 12:42.32 | Nyle | i only deal with ntfs at work sorry :) |
| 12:43.00 | chronographer | yeah. I have had to recover photos from ntfs before, with 90% success! |
| 12:43.06 | ypwong | chronographer: try to start at sleuth kit |
| 12:43.17 | chronographer | is that a package? |
| 12:43.27 | ypwong | yup, it's in debian |
| 12:43.51 | ypwong | but it's primitive |
| 12:44.02 | chronographer | heh. |
| 12:44.24 | Nyle | i forgot to wake up before the sun came up |
| 12:44.31 | Nyle | now i have to stay hungry all day long |
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| 12:45.10 | petemc | fascinating |
| 12:45.15 | chronographer | anyone used sleuth or autopsy before? |
| 12:46.43 | ypwong | i tried them before, autopsy is a web frontend for sleuthkit, install them and play with it |
| 12:47.05 | chronographer | yep im onto it... |
| 12:47.18 | ypwong | as i say, it's primitive, you will have to face a moderate learning curve... |
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| 12:48.01 | combinio | how to install xserver-xgl ?? :] where can i find some how to ? :) |
| 12:49.12 | Nyle | !xgl |
| 12:49.13 | dpkg | it has been said that xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 12:49.44 | Nyle | combinio: ati video card? |
| 12:49.53 | combinio | Nyle: yeap |
| 12:50.00 | Nyle | well you're in luck |
| 12:50.09 | Nyle | wait a month or two and fglrx will support aiglx |
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| 12:50.27 | combinio | yeap - i've heard that (v8.42.xx) |
| 12:50.29 | chronographer | is ati going ot be the linux gpu of choice? |
| 12:50.40 | combinio | but now how to do that ? (i want to have BERYL :)) |
| 12:50.40 | Nyle | dunno |
| 12:50.45 | combinio | crap :( |
| 12:50.49 | Nyle | beryl is dead |
| 12:50.56 | Nyle | when new ati drivers comeout |
| 12:51.01 | amphi | combinio: you need to use xgl |
| 12:51.01 | chronographer | i think compiz-fusion is the way to go now |
| 12:51.03 | combinio | Nyle: what u mean ? |
| 12:51.08 | Nyle | just enable composite, and load up compiz-fusion |
| 12:51.15 | Nyle | not right now though |
| 12:51.24 | Nyle | you can try it with xgl but it will b slow as balls |
| 12:51.25 | combinio | amphi: yeap, i know, but don;t know how to install xserver-xgl ? :] |
| 12:51.34 | Nyle | combinio: read what dpkg said |
| 12:51.34 | amphi | !xgl |
| 12:51.35 | dpkg | from memory, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
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| 12:51.59 | combinio | !xgl-howto |
| 12:52.00 | dpkg | xgl-howto is, like, xgl may or may not work on your system. Currently supports nVidia/ATI. http://battlehorse.homelinux.net/w/Wiki.jsp?page=Xgl |
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| 12:52.41 | chronographer | my god sleuth will take forever, ~150 gig hd, to find and recover a few avi's ... |
| 12:52.45 | rahul | s N t Y o L n Ee d |
| 12:53.02 | Nyle | :/ |
| 12:53.03 | rahul | the E and the e are supposed to be overstruck |
| 12:53.20 | Nyle | hey man |
| 12:53.24 | rahul | mercenary rocks |
| 12:53.32 | Nyle | wtf are you doing up at this time? |
| 12:53.33 | rahul | when the hell are they gonna come to the US |
| 12:53.35 | rahul | hahaha |
| 12:53.41 | rahul | I passed out at 9 last night |
| 12:53.44 | liable | hrm, weird, the weasel isnt loading pages when i click on them |
| 12:53.54 | Nyle | rahul: did you get a new pc yet? |
| 12:54.01 | zamuro | rahul you mean the game? |
| 12:54.05 | rahul | woke up at 6 today, went for a jog, lifted a teeny bit, and had pancakes and eggs |
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| 12:54.15 | rahul | zamuro: game? |
| 12:54.27 | rahul | oh mercenary. no they're a kickass band from denmark |
| 12:54.27 | Nyle | no assweasel |
| 12:54.29 | rahul | heh |
| 12:54.32 | Nyle | oh |
| 12:54.33 | rahul | assBADGER |
| 12:54.56 | rahul | Nyle: no, I'm trying to figure out how to get a core 2 duo with an AGP slot on the board :\ |
| 12:54.56 | zamuro | rahul theres a game called "mercenaries 2" in which Caracas-Venezuela is destroyed. |
| 12:54.57 | Nyle | i love the smell of soap |
| 12:55.03 | Nyle | I feel fresh |
| 12:55.06 | chronographer | is that the new firefox rebranding assBADGER!!!! |
| 12:55.07 | Nyle | and sparkly clean |
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| 12:55.16 | rahul | chronographer: yes |
| 12:55.22 | Nyle | !firefox |
| 12:55.22 | dpkg | it has been said that firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 12:55.23 | plb | does anyone know a repository with debianized fglrx 8.41 sources? |
| 12:55.24 | chronographer | i like it |
| 12:55.29 | Nyle | !iceweasel |
| 12:55.29 | dpkg | i guess iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 12:55.34 | Nyle | its all the same |
| 12:55.47 | rahul | it's assbadgers all the way down |
| 12:55.48 | Nyle | except licensing of course |
| 12:55.56 | Nyle | !badger |
| 12:55.57 | dpkg | i guess badger is bar baz quuz thump |
| 12:55.59 | chronographer | !iceweasel |
| 12:55.59 | dpkg | methinks iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 12:56.00 | Nyle | what |
| 12:56.04 | rahul | haha |
| 12:56.07 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 12:56.07 | dpkg | somebody said dpkgbot was Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 12:56.17 | tyler2435 | how the hell do you view permissions in the XXX format with ls? |
| 12:56.31 | tictac | porn format? |
| 12:56.32 | Nyle | man ls? |
| 12:56.35 | tyler2435 | so you dont see the drwxrwxr-x |
| 12:56.40 | tyler2435 | i looked at that |
| 12:56.43 | cbc | hey, how can I see the amount of used space of /dev/st0, for example? |
| 12:56.46 | tyler2435 | and you would see 755 etc |
| 12:56.50 | Nyle | cbc: dh |
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| 12:56.59 | tictac | do you not know what drwx------ means? |
| 12:57.08 | tyler2435 | yes |
| 12:57.11 | tyler2435 | i know what permissions are |
| 12:57.15 | cbc | Nyle: dh? |
| 12:57.30 | tyler2435 | and i would much rather view them in a different format |
| 12:57.33 | tictac | so whats the reason behind listing them as the mode numbers |
| 12:57.45 | rahul | tyler2435: convert them in your head... |
| 12:57.49 | tictac | hmm. alias ls='/path/to/script' |
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| 12:58.13 | combinio | how to figure out which version of debian i have - AMD64 or i386 ? |
| 12:58.15 | combinio | :D |
| 12:58.19 | plb | uname -a |
| 12:58.21 | rahul | combinio: what did you install? |
| 12:58.26 | tyler2435 | lol |
| 12:58.41 | rahul | combinio: if you're asking, it's probably not debian, anyway. |
| 12:58.43 | Nyle | !dh |
| 12:58.50 | combinio | i have kubuntu, but trying to help my friend who has debian (noob?!) and want to isntall BERYL on ATI :) |
| 12:58.50 | Nyle | no? ok |
| 12:58.56 | Nyle | er.. |
| 12:58.58 | Nyle | df |
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| 12:59.00 | plb | combinio: uname -a should tell you |
| 12:59.02 | Nyle | fucking typo |
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| 12:59.08 | combinio | plb: thx :) |
| 12:59.09 | Nyle | cbc: df |
| 12:59.12 | rahul | Nyle: tape drives aren't file systems |
| 12:59.13 | plb | combinio: at least which kernel and that will inform you |
| 12:59.19 | n4ng33k | combinio! you suck and you know it! |
| 12:59.27 | Nyle | what does ? |
| 12:59.29 | Nyle | wait what |
| 12:59.36 | n4ng33k | if you use kubuntu, g0 kubuntu channel ! |
| 12:59.40 | combinio | n4ng33k: oh c'mon ;P |
| 12:59.41 | Nyle | oh st0 |
| 12:59.46 | combinio | no that way! |
| 12:59.47 | rahul | see, I told you he doesn't have debian |
| 12:59.51 | n4ng33k | it's easy! /join #kubuntu |
| 12:59.52 | Nyle | who? |
| 12:59.52 | rahul | combinio: troll. |
| 12:59.58 | plb | the question is what is moor noobish using kubuntu well or being new to debian? |
| 13:00.01 | Nyle | im on xp |
| 13:00.05 | n4ng33k | lol |
| 13:00.11 | foutrelis | Nyle: me too :) |
| 13:00.13 | Nyle | how did you know |
| 13:00.17 | rahul | I'm on XP and debian. |
| 13:00.24 | Nyle | yeh im on ubuntu |
| 13:00.31 | rahul | heh |
| 13:00.36 | dobeer | what is XP? :P |
| 13:00.36 | Nyle | why am I using kubuntu |
| 13:00.39 | Nyle | I swear to god |
| 13:00.55 | Nyle | I know cuz i had this damn cd laying around and i didn't wannawait to downoad debian |
| 13:00.59 | tictac | im on debian and ccm 4.1... err windows server |
| 13:01.04 | tictac | well virtually anyway |
| 13:01.05 | foutrelis | dobeer: Same thing as XD but with the tongue hanging out :) |
| 13:01.12 | rahul | it takes about 5 minutes to download debian |
| 13:01.16 | plb | dobeer: a strange backwards thing that runs one or two apps you can't live without and don't work in WINE |
| 13:01.21 | Nyle | rahul: thats too long man |
| 13:01.22 | chronographer | damn I think it will work! Thanks so far people, sleuth and autopsy are good! |
| 13:01.26 | rahul | pff |
| 13:01.37 | rahul | Nyle: that's what she said. |
| 13:01.39 | Nyle | man I am so bored |
| 13:01.45 | Nyle | heh |
| 13:01.47 | dobeer | foutrelis ooo thanx very much ;) |
| 13:01.56 | foutrelis | dobeer: np, $300 |
| 13:02.01 | Nyle | which is better, longer or bigger? |
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| 13:02.18 | n4ng33k | hmmm |
| 13:02.19 | Nyle | who can say..who can say. ahhh boy |
| 13:02.22 | dobeer | by cash? ;) |
| 13:02.28 | chronographer | depends if you are talking sex or penisses |
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| 13:03.01 | foutrelis | dobeer: I want to buy Vista and I've only gathered $3500. Need some more :( |
| 13:03.13 | Nyle | rahul: im going to play a seriously psycroptic/necrophagist sounding Super Mario World death metal theme |
| 13:03.28 | tictac | lol |
| 13:03.29 | Nyle | just need a drummer |
| 13:03.31 | rahul | !!!!!!!!1 |
| 13:03.36 | chronographer | i play drums |
| 13:03.41 | Nyle | ok |
| 13:03.44 | Nyle | lets go to #music |
| 13:03.45 | rahul | chronographer: how many cymbals? |
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| 13:03.55 | tyler2435 | foutrelis: lol |
| 13:04.09 | tictac | $3500 makes for three 3560 switches :D |
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| 13:04.43 | Nyle | 3500$ gets me a really BIG bag |
| 13:04.45 | Nyle | ehehe |
| 13:04.51 | rahul | HEH. |
| 13:05.33 | chronographer | erm.. 1.. 2.. 345... 6.. can i count hi hats as two? |
| 13:05.50 | chronographer | 2 crash china ride hats splash |
| 13:06.07 | Nyle | please in #music |
| 13:06.28 | Nyle | too much offtopic makes #debian a dull channel |
| 13:07.15 | Nyle | plb: so then.. word |
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| 13:08.00 | rahul | chronographer: no you can't count hi hats as two, haha. but sounds good. |
| 13:08.15 | tictac | drugs are overrated. just make a huge bgp lab to get 'high'. |
| 13:08.18 | tictac | ;) |
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| 13:08.42 | foutrelis | *burp* |
| 13:08.56 | chronographer | any idea how to undelet now I have located the inode numbers of rm'ed files? |
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| 13:10.16 | chronographer | nvm i think i found how |
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| 13:11.59 | chronographer | yeah just now i rm'ed some movies of my cute kid, and i want them back |
| 13:12.04 | p3u | liable: regarding my sata problem it has been resolved using a backport netinst. Thank you |
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| 13:12.20 | chronographer | sleuth kit and its http frontend are working a treat though! |
| 13:12.25 | chronographer | *phew |
| 13:12.32 | liable | p3u: nice :) |
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| 13:12.54 | p3u | just a question: is it safe to use in production ? |
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| 13:13.25 | Gener1c | gnome-baker doesnt notice *.iso files |
| 13:13.28 | Gener1c | for some reason |
| 13:13.37 | liable | p3u: its an etch install, but with latest stable kernel. as long as you keep the kernel updated with security alerts, should be fine |
| 13:13.46 | Gener1c | i do the most simple ting |
| 13:14.00 | Gener1c | rightclick on the iso open with gnome-baker |
| 13:14.03 | Gener1c | nothing happens |
| 13:14.09 | p3u | liable: ok great . thanks for your time and your help ! |
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| 13:14.19 | Gener1c | i use open project |
| 13:14.26 | Gener1c | but that wont notice the .iso |
| 13:14.48 | liable | p3u: you're welcome |
| 13:14.51 | chronographer | ho;ly fuck I'm glad to get these movies back, that kid is cute! |
| 13:15.13 | tictac | i wish i could get my movies/pictures back but the drive makes clicking sounds |
| 13:15.19 | chronographer | excuse language.. I must shoot more movie of him, anyone got spare dollars for good camera let me know |
| 13:15.32 | chronographer | I hear freezers are good for dead drives |
| 13:15.42 | tictac | hopefully i can fix it when i return in like 8 months from now |
| 13:15.54 | chronographer | makes parts shrink up and spin for a little while |
| 13:16.02 | chronographer | are you in iraq now? |
| 13:16.06 | tictac | indeed |
| 13:16.11 | tictac | been since feb |
| 13:16.16 | chronographer | wow. scary.. in the marines? |
| 13:16.20 | tictac | fuck no |
| 13:16.24 | plb | tictac: I'm sorry |
| 13:16.27 | tictac | army of course. |
| 13:16.33 | chronographer | oh right |
| 13:16.39 | abrotman | Gener1c: isn't there a "burn image" option (i know i've used gnomebaker to burn ISOs) |
| 13:17.00 | tictac | plb: it rocks actually. the experience here in 15 months is comparible to 2-3 years in a normal NOC since i work 12-16 hours a day 7 days a week |
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| 13:17.08 | chronographer | well good luck over there, keep safe, I don't think we should have gone there in the first place bu I don't blanme you |
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| 13:17.14 | Gener1c | only import and open project |
| 13:17.26 | tictac | thanks. |
| 13:17.39 | tictac | im a 'fobbit' so its all good. |
| 13:17.43 | plb | tictac: I good friend of mine from HS served 2 tours in Afghanistan and one in Iraq and hated all of it.. of course he was a Marine ;-) |
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| 13:17.51 | Gener1c | found it |
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| 13:18.00 | tictac | haha. he prolly got shot out and the like. |
| 13:18.14 | chronographer | im sorry, but im australian, whats the difference between marine and army? |
| 13:18.17 | tictac | i sit in the noc playing with various cisco devices all shift. |
| 13:18.23 | abrotman | chronographer: wikipedia |
| 13:18.30 | azeem | chronographer: why do you think this is an on-topic question here? |
| 13:18.30 | plb | Chronographer: about 40 IQ points :-P |
| 13:18.50 | tictac | amphi: what do you recall about it? |
| 13:18.57 | tictac | amphi: im on falcon :D |
| 13:19.06 | tictac | its fucking horse shit. muddy as fuck |
| 13:19.10 | amphi | tictac: a lot of it went 'bang' one night |
| 13:19.19 | psyche_ | hey |
| 13:19.23 | chronographer | oh sorry |
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| 13:19.28 | psyche_ | can someone say whats wrong with my dhcp server? |
| 13:19.30 | tictac | amphi: thats bs. the ASP was on the other side of base. |
| 13:19.37 | psyche_ | wait ill paste that log... |
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| 13:19.38 | SlayerXP | psyche_: it's software. |
| 13:19.42 | amphi | tictac: I saw a video taking from some considerable distance |
| 13:19.46 | abrotman | tictac: this is OT here |
| 13:19.49 | amphi | *taken |
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| 13:20.02 | plb | tictac: My friend was Marine Recon.. so yeah he probably got shot at alot. |
| 13:20.03 | tictac | abrotman: 80% of the things here are ot. |
| 13:20.14 | azeem | tictac: that doesn't mean you should add to it |
| 13:20.15 | azeem | !ot |
| 13:20.15 | dpkg | [ot] Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions between regulars |
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| 13:21.02 | abrotman | plb: you're in it |
| 13:21.05 | tictac | plb: but it would be idle most of the time. |
| 13:21.20 | psyche_ | "No subnet declaration for eth0, please write declaration in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment to which interface eth0 is attached" |
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| 13:22.03 | plb | anyway... still looking for a fglrx 8.41 debianized source package |
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| 13:22.18 | abrotman | plb: which version is in etch ? |
| 13:22.25 | tictac | psyche_: updated your dhcpd.conf with the network information on which you wish dhcpd to issue addresses from (ie. define a pool) |
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| 13:22.29 | plb | 8.38 |
| 13:22.39 | bintut | hello all.. i'm getting this problem in debian etch ==> http://paste.debian.net/36996 |
| 13:22.58 | tictac | im wondering when they are going to start releasing weekly updates of testing again for debian-cd |
| 13:22.59 | bintut | anyone has idea why i'm getting that error? |
| 13:23.05 | chronographer | I agree that things should stay onTopic, #ubuntu is no help at all, you guys are priceless. |
| 13:23.09 | tictac | may 27 is getting older and older every day... |
| 13:23.16 | psyche_ | tictac i have configured that file already |
| 13:23.16 | cast | bintut: iirc i installed locales pkg, or did a dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:23.20 | psyche_ | but i dont know whats wrong |
| 13:23.20 | abrotman | tictac: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:23.28 | bintut | cast: ok, i'll try that.. |
| 13:23.55 | plb | bintut: locales is definately the problem |
| 13:24.11 | bintut | plb: i see. i'm installing it.. |
| 13:24.12 | abrotman | plb: and the version in sid ? |
| 13:24.15 | tictac | hmm. will do. |
| 13:24.25 | plb | abrotman: (08:18:53 AM) plb: 8.38 |
| 13:24.32 | abrotman | tictac: admittedly .. it really doesn't matter .. you could use an etch netinst and upgrade |
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| 13:24.39 | abrotman | plb: i asked about etch first :) |
| 13:24.55 | plb | abrotman: oh oops :-P |
| 13:24.59 | plb | abrotman: 8.38 :-P |
| 13:25.07 | tictac | abrotman: my current position in the world prohibits me from downloading packages endlessly :-\ |
| 13:25.08 | abrotman | ah .. 8.40 for amd64 in sid .. 8.38 fro the rest |
| 13:25.19 | tictac | abrotman: i was going to purchase them and have them sent weekly |
| 13:25.22 | plb | abrotman: yeah I found that odd |
| 13:25.52 | abrotman | could be a few reasons for that |
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| 13:27.00 | marvel3 | witam |
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| 13:27.39 | plb | abrotman: 8.40 to 8.41 is supposedly a big change... not sure why 8.39 or 8.40 haven't been included for i386 yet |
| 13:28.00 | marvel3 | potrzebuje pomocy |
| 13:28.19 | rahul | !english |
| 13:28.19 | dpkg | english is probably a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 13:28.30 | marvel3 | OK, sorry |
| 13:29.00 | abrotman | plb: you could ask the maintainer .. i see a BTS entry, but no response |
| 13:29.25 | rahul | hrm, that's an interesting factoid.... |
| 13:29.28 | plb | !rude |
| 13:29.28 | dpkg | rude is probably making me tell people things that they dont want to be told |
| 13:29.33 | plb | :-P |
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| 13:30.10 | foutrelis | http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1938/78457777eg4.jpg :) |
| 13:30.12 | foutrelis | meow |
| 13:30.34 | abrotman | plb: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=fglrx-driver;dist=unstable .. maybe somethign else is related |
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| 13:31.05 | mick_work | foutrelis: lol |
| 13:31.16 | foutrelis | -.^ |
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| 13:31.21 | laptor | hello everybody |
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| 13:32.59 | plb | abrotman: ahh 8.41 is for the HD 2000 series only... |
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| 13:33.50 | _gAri- | hi there, I would like to reinstall a complete system to another partition, and I dont want to use installation disks, because the machine is up and runnin. is there a convenient method to use? something with chroot maybe? |
| 13:34.11 | tictac | debootstrap |
| 13:34.26 | tictac | man debootstrap |
| 13:34.40 | _gAri- | thank you I'll check it |
| 13:34.45 | tictac | np |
| 13:35.25 | _gAri- | actually my problem is that I'm still using kernel 2.4 with sarge on that machine. and after putting kernel 2.6 to that machine, apache2 doesnt start, hangs when apachectl tries to start apache |
| 13:36.04 | tictac | any errors in syslog? |
| 13:36.08 | _gAri- | and anyways its kinda mess, it would be nicer to install a clean etch on it |
| 13:36.12 | _gAri- | no errors :~ |
| 13:36.20 | tictac | heh. |
| 13:36.27 | _gAri- | no errors, it seems to 'hang' |
| 13:36.29 | tictac | any apache errors? |
| 13:36.33 | _gAri- | nope |
| 13:36.38 | _gAri- | I didnt find any |
| 13:36.40 | abrotman | _gAri-: uninstall apache .. upgrade to etch .. reinstall apache ? |
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| 13:37.08 | _gAri- | its possible, but the main problem is that apache should run |
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| 13:37.22 | _gAri- | no logic solution for this issue |
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| 13:37.31 | _gAri- | port 80 is open, but nothing served on it |
| 13:38.07 | _gAri- | I traced the only apache process that was running (apachectl still running also), it was waiting at read80( or something like this |
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| 13:39.40 | ampex | how can I give a user access to start a server up on port 80 without them being root? |
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| 13:40.41 | mbroeker | ampex, either with sudo or with chmod +s <binary> |
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| 13:41.43 | ampex | so, there is no way to run squid for instance on port 80 without it effectively running as root and having access to the entire filesystem? |
| 13:41.50 | mbroeker | ampex, but in both cases, the binary will run as root and in the case that you cant trust your user, forget it. |
| 13:43.10 | mbroeker | ampex, ok thats not the problem i think: if your user starts squid via sudo or similar, thats ok. |
| 13:44.10 | mbroeker | as long as your user isnt able to do a sudo mypersonalwritablescript it will be safe |
| 13:44.31 | ampex | how would I configure sudo to allow the squid user to only run squid as root |
| 13:45.48 | mbroeker | ampex, apt-get install sudo && echo "ampex ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/squid" >> /etc/sudoers |
| 13:46.15 | cast | visudo damnit! |
| 13:46.19 | mbroeker | ampex, in this case your user is able to call sudo squid without parameters |
| 13:46.32 | ampex | would I be able to kill it? |
| 13:46.53 | jelly | cast: sudo does not really care. |
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| 13:47.17 | mbroeker | sudo squid -rootshell or similar wont work. thats a nice feature of sudo. you can explizit tell the sudo wrapper of what is allowed and what not |
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| 13:47.48 | cast | jelly: certainly it makes no difference to sudo, if there's no syntax errors |
| 13:48.14 | jelly | mbroeker: and unfortunately you tell it with globs instead of regexps |
| 13:49.13 | jelly | leading to fun config lines like CHAT_RESTARTERS ALL=(chat) /etc/init.d/inetchat, /etc/init.d/inetchat [a-z]*, !/etc/init.d/inetchat console |
| 13:49.45 | nunu | hi e1, does anyone use jackd ? |
| 13:49.55 | jelly | who's e1? |
| 13:50.09 | nunu | everyone |
| 13:50.10 | nunu | ^^ |
| 13:50.26 | nunu | I'm a very lazy person |
| 13:50.28 | xand | !anyone |
| 13:50.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 13:50.37 | mbroeker | jelly, thats a hack... |
| 13:50.45 | jelly | nunu: and still you expect others to be less lazy and give you answers? |
| 13:51.00 | nunu | yes .... =) |
| 13:51.08 | jelly | mbroeker: no, it's dumb syntax :-) |
| 13:51.24 | nunu | well my question is, I can't use realtime as a user and forgot how to do so |
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| 13:52.25 | jelly | nunu: it possibly has to do with /etc/security/limits.conf and rtprio |
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| 13:53.10 | jelly | that should give you enough keywords for a google search |
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| 13:53.18 | nunu | yep thx =) |
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| 13:53.48 | DexterF | hi |
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| 13:54.35 | ebw | Are there boot cd/dvds for lenny? |
| 13:54.41 | DexterF | how do I force apt to re-retrieve the repositories? on my other box I run apt-get update and have a lot of "Ign" messages plus it happens way too fast |
| 13:54.47 | mbroeker | ampex, http://rafb.net/p/l5JMYo81.html i think that should make it clear |
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| 13:56.34 | Ronin | !tell fqh about root |
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| 13:57.26 | ebw | ahh |
| 13:57.33 | ebw | !tell ebw about root |
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| 14:00.14 | mbroeker | a short offtopic question: has anybody played quake wars? i only get 21 fps on my nvidia with wine... |
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| 14:01.15 | ebw | !tell ebw about root |
| 14:01.16 | ebw | !help |
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| 14:01.40 | ktne | hello |
| 14:01.41 | predder` | what's the filesystem heirarchy thing for linux systems called? in order to standardise? |
| 14:01.43 | Ronin | ebw: try asking your question |
| 14:01.54 | ktne | anyone knows how can i install the latest sun jvm on debian sarge? |
| 14:01.59 | GuHHH | !pastebin |
| 14:01.59 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 14:02.26 | mbroeker | ktne, its in non-free adjust your sources.list |
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| 14:02.28 | ebw | Ronin: There is none, just playing with dpkg. |
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| 14:02.47 | ktne | abrotman, i don't know what that means |
| 14:02.50 | Ronin | ebw: try /msg dpkg then :) |
| 14:02.54 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:03.02 | ebw | Ronin: ok =) |
| 14:03.06 | abrotman | how did i get dragge din ? |
| 14:03.11 | ebw | Is LVM complicated? |
| 14:03.23 | Ronin | abrotman: cause you're special |
| 14:03.30 | abrotman | short bus here i come! |
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| 14:08.45 | Plouj | hi |
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| 14:09.17 | Plouj | after reading some pages on the debian main site it's still not quite clear to me what are my options for installing a 64bit Debian that can run 32bit applications |
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| 14:09.37 | Plouj | and how different those options from the way Gentoo treats 64bit+32bit userlands |
| 14:09.46 | Dewi | could anyone give me a starting point for changing my crypted LVM passphrase? |
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| 14:11.10 | grEvenX | hi all :) |
| 14:11.15 | cast | Dewi: man cryptsetup |
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| 14:11.32 | Dewi | cast: does "adding" a key mean there will be two keys? |
| 14:11.36 | cast | Dewi: use addkey then delete key |
| 14:11.38 | grEvenX | one of my workers managed to do something wrong when updating debian last time |
| 14:11.51 | grEvenX | he got asked some questions, and he chose the wrong one |
| 14:11.57 | petemc | grEvenX: fire him! |
| 14:11.58 | grEvenX | I am not even sure what was updated |
| 14:12.06 | grEvenX | this was a dist-upgrade |
| 14:12.26 | cast | grEvenX: so whats the problem now |
| 14:12.28 | grEvenX | now he can't manage to login to the server other than in single.mode |
| 14:12.39 | cast | grEvenX: and aptitude logs everything :) |
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| 14:13.07 | Dewi | grEvenX: can you see the machine's video output? |
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| 14:13.29 | grEvenX | Dewi: I can't, but I have a guy there that can |
| 14:13.41 | grEvenX | Dewi: he manages to login in single-user mode |
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| 14:13.57 | Dewi | grEvenX: as root? |
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| 14:14.07 | grEvenX | Dewi: yeah |
| 14:14.09 | Dewi | grEvenX: so... does it boot to full mode or not? |
| 14:14.36 | grEvenX | full mode? |
| 14:14.46 | grEvenX | it boots in single user mode |
| 14:14.47 | Dewi | grEvenX: stop telling us what does work and tell us what doesn't :P |
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| 14:14.56 | grEvenX | I just said |
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| 14:15.09 | Dewi | grEvenX: ... no, you didn't |
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| 14:15.12 | grEvenX | you can't login to the box locally by just booting it, and you can't login through SSH |
| 14:15.14 | Dewi | grEvenX: you said what does work |
| 14:15.32 | Dewi | grEvenX: why can't you login? is the root password somehow different in full mode? is it not finishing booting? |
| 14:15.33 | grEvenX | <grEvenX> now he can't manage to login to the server other than in single.mode |
| 14:15.46 | grEvenX | it's not prompting for a user/pass at all |
| 14:15.49 | Dewi | is ssh running? |
| 14:16.02 | Dewi | grEvenX: okay, so why not? |
| 14:16.12 | grEvenX | yes |
| 14:16.14 | grEvenX | exactly |
| 14:16.15 | grEvenX | why not |
| 14:16.20 | Dewi | grEvenX: look at the screen? |
| 14:16.31 | Dewi | grEvenX: how far does it get? |
| 14:16.32 | grEvenX | it doesn't say |
| 14:16.36 | grEvenX | and I'm not there |
| 14:16.39 | Dewi | so the screen is completely blank? |
| 14:16.53 | grEvenX | what I'm guessing is that he altered the auth system to something else |
| 14:17.05 | grEvenX | so it's not using regular authentication |
| 14:17.07 | Dewi | if you don't even see the login prompt and ssh isn't running, it doesn't sound like it is booted |
| 14:17.18 | liable | check inittab |
| 14:17.19 | Dewi | it sounds like it is not completing the boot sequence |
| 14:17.24 | grEvenX | do you know what singlemode IS? |
| 14:17.35 | grEvenX | it is booting allright |
| 14:17.35 | Dewi | yes, why do we keep talking about singlemode? |
| 14:17.43 | vader-- | how can i check the crontab and see what is exactly going to be running |
| 14:17.53 | vader-- | for some reason i have something in /etc/crontab and it isn't running |
| 14:18.01 | liable | some tard was talking about disabling getty's here the other day |
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| 14:18.26 | Dewi | vader--: crontab -l |
| 14:18.55 | vader-- | i have this |
| 14:18.57 | Dewi | vader--: but that's different to /etc/crontab, which is a file you can open and look at |
| 14:18.57 | vader-- | */5 * * * * cactiuser /usr/bin/php /usr/share/cacti/site/poller.php > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 14:19.00 | vader-- | but it isn't runnin |
| 14:19.13 | Spida | according to http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=snd-emu10k1.ko&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any installing linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 should result in a file /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-486/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/snd-emu10k1.ko ... but this files doesn't exist on my system..... |
| 14:19.19 | Spida | what am I doing wrong? |
| 14:19.57 | Dewi | vader--: maybe you should pipe output to /dev/null only after you have it working |
| 14:19.58 | blj | I am trying public key authentication in SSH, but the it aint working, i suspect it is file permission problem, can any one help me? |
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| 14:20.06 | vader-- | so when i edit the crontab should i run crontab -e or do a vi /etc/crontab? |
| 14:20.08 | Dewi | vader--: until then it will email you the output |
| 14:20.12 | grEvenX | he gets a prompt for username |
| 14:20.14 | grEvenX | types root |
| 14:20.17 | Plouj | vader--: crontab -e |
| 14:20.22 | grEvenX | and then gets a message that it can't find cert |
| 14:20.31 | grEvenX | that's how far he gets |
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| 14:21.18 | vader-- | hmmm |
| 14:21.26 | cast | blj: maybe just rm .ssh/authorized_keys and start from the beginning using ssh-copy-id, thats about as fast as checking the logs then fixing perms :D |
| 14:22.01 | blj | ssh-copy-id ? |
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| 14:22.05 | Dewi | cast: there's a program for that? |
| 14:22.06 | Dewi | cast: wow |
| 14:22.17 | Dewi | cast: I've always done it the hard way :P |
| 14:23.03 | Dewi | grEvenX: I wonder what you're using for authentication |
| 14:23.10 | Dewi | grEvenX: I've always used the standard unix one |
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| 14:23.46 | Dewi | grEvenX: if you can figure out what package was configured wrong you can dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> |
| 14:24.03 | liable | sounds like pam goodness |
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| 14:24.12 | Dewi | yeah, it does sound like pam |
| 14:24.17 | blj | cast: am actually on a windows platform, i wonder how i go about with that |
| 14:24.37 | lindenl1 | Is there a way in korganizer to specify time zones for certain meetings... |
| 14:24.38 | Dewi | grEvenX: maybe see what pam packages you can find in the installed packages list, and then see what depends on em, and run rpkg-reconfigure on various ones? |
| 14:24.47 | Dewi | grEvenX: I know it's a stab in the dark... |
| 14:24.49 | cast | blj: poor guy D: |
| 14:25.17 | Dewi | blj: my ~/.ssh is drwx------ |
| 14:25.29 | Dewi | blj: and my ~/.ssh/authorized_keys is -rw------- |
| 14:25.59 | vader-- | thanks for the help |
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| 14:26.17 | blj | Dewi: thanks and what about your home? |
| 14:26.28 | cast | authorized_keys is -rw-r--r- for me |
| 14:26.39 | Dewi | blj: as long as root can get in to your home that should work |
| 14:26.41 | cast | id_dsa should be -rw------, obviously |
| 14:27.24 | blj | i suppose there is no need for an id_dsa as i am only authenticating into using authorized keys |
| 14:27.25 | Dewi | blj: mine's the unparanoid default, drwxr-xr-x |
| 14:27.43 | blj | Dewi: thanks, will try again. |
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| 14:27.58 | cast | /upgrade in irssi is awesome :) |
| 14:28.05 | Dewi | blj: yes, you only need private keys at starting points. you can use agent forwarding most of the rest of the time |
| 14:28.23 | grEvenX | cast: aptitude logs everything where? |
| 14:28.36 | Dewi | grEvenX: /var/log/aptitude |
| 14:28.43 | grEvenX | hm |
| 14:28.51 | Dewi | assuming you were using aptitude |
| 14:28.51 | grEvenX | then it doesn't log everything there default it seems |
| 14:28.54 | blj | Dewi: thanks, do you know where the secure logs are in debian? |
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| 14:29.06 | grEvenX | he was using apt-get dist-upgrade or something |
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| 14:29.16 | robboplus_ | blj /var/log/ |
| 14:29.23 | Dewi | blj: um... do you mean /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 14:29.38 | Dewi | blj: not sure what you mean by "secure" |
| 14:29.50 | Dewi | grEvenX: then that's not aptitude |
| 14:29.59 | blj | Dewi: yes the authorisation log |
| 14:30.08 | blj | Dewi: , thanks for hte help will check it |
| 14:30.24 | vader-- | why would stuff in the crontab that is set to run every 5 minutes not run |
| 14:30.29 | grEvenX | then does apt-get log anything by default? |
| 14:30.30 | Dewi | blj: I'm not sure if that's where sshd complains to... try syslog and messages and daemon.log |
| 14:30.35 | Dewi | I can never remember which is which |
| 14:30.45 | Dewi | vader--: have you unsilenced the output yet? |
| 14:30.45 | vader-- | this is what is in there |
| 14:30.47 | vader-- | */5 * * * * cactiuser /usr/bin/php /usr/share/cacti/site/poller.php >/dev/null 2>/var/log/cacti/poller-error.log |
| 14:30.47 | vader-- | */30 * * * * root /etc/init.d/nptdate > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 14:30.53 | blj | Dewi: thanks, am trying on debug mode anyway. |
| 14:31.09 | Dewi | vader--: if you want to know what is going wrong *don't silence the output* |
| 14:31.09 | cast | vader--: ntpdate dude |
| 14:31.17 | vader-- | i get /bin/sh: cactiuser: command not found |
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| 14:31.37 | Dewi | vader--: yeah, why do you have that in there? |
| 14:31.47 | vader-- | because the damn thing wasn't syncing time |
| 14:31.47 | cast | vader--: and use ntpd instead of crontabbing ntpdate, its preferable |
| 14:31.57 | Dewi | vader--: is this /etc/crontab or crontab -l ? |
| 14:32.10 | vader-- | crontab -l |
| 14:32.18 | Dewi | vader--: what are those user names? |
| 14:32.25 | Dewi | vader--: they are not part of a command |
| 14:32.34 | Dewi | vader--: and unsilence that output until you are finished |
| 14:32.43 | Dewi | I mean, honestly. |
| 14:33.00 | vader-- | thats who i want the command to run a |
| 14:33.01 | vader-- | as |
| 14:33.12 | Dewi | vader--: well, user crontabs don't work that way |
| 14:33.20 | Dewi | vader--: they run as the person who typed 'crontab -e' |
| 14:33.30 | vader-- | gotcha |
| 14:33.41 | darrh00 | crontab -e -u username |
| 14:33.43 | Dewi | vader--: while /etc/crontab is a system tab |
| 14:33.49 | Dewi | yeah or that |
| 14:34.07 | vader-- | i had it in /etc/crontab but that wasn't working either |
| 14:34.34 | Dewi | vader--: btw I am talking about this stuff: > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 14:34.39 | vader-- | ya |
| 14:34.41 | Dewi | vader--: that says "don't ever email me about problems ever" |
| 14:34.41 | vader-- | i took that out |
| 14:35.00 | Dewi | you can put it back later |
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| 14:35.05 | Dewi | if it outputs anything annoying |
| 14:35.14 | Dewi | good cron commands don't output anything unless there's a problem |
| 14:35.22 | Dewi | and then they do :P |
| 14:35.38 | vader-- | cool |
| 14:35.39 | vader-- | thanks for the help |
| 14:36.05 | petemc | Dewi: hmm? |
| 14:36.12 | petemc | cron emails by default.. |
| 14:36.22 | blj | does it matter if the sshd_config has ServerKeyBits as 768 and my authenticating keys has 1024 bits? |
| 14:36.39 | Dewi | petemc: yes, I'm talking about the habit of people piping to devnull all the time in crontabs |
| 14:37.08 | Dewi | petemc: most good unix commands output nothing if they are working, so cron would only email you in the event of a problem (the ideal situation) |
| 14:37.16 | sparrw | what is a good newb-friendly GUI email client without the overabundance of features found in thunderbird/opera/outlook? |
| 14:37.32 | Dewi | sparrw: thunderbird is pretty simple |
| 14:37.48 | Dewi | sparrw: what would you take out of it? |
| 14:37.51 | jelly | eudora? :-) |
| 14:37.51 | sha | sparrw, claws-mail |
| 14:37.53 | petemc | Dewi: not so sure about that, but ok |
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| 14:38.35 | sha | petemc, but i had no luck with claws-mail and debian.. iirc it was only in experimental branch |
| 14:38.43 | sha | petemc, sorry i meant sparrw |
| 14:38.50 | petemc | aiight |
| 14:39.38 | sparrw | Dewi: extensions, theming, filters, javascript, labels, layouts |
| 14:40.04 | Dewi | sparrw: none of those actually affect you unless you specifically invoke them |
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| 14:41.11 | spq | 82.211.59.90 |
| 14:41.28 | spq | oh, wrong paste ^^ |
| 14:41.29 | spq | how can i test my ram in a running system? |
| 14:41.37 | cast | spq: do stuff. |
| 14:41.42 | vader-- | hmmm |
| 14:41.49 | sparrw | Dewi: they take up memory, and menu space, and disk space, and toolbar space, and widget space |
| 14:41.51 | vader-- | crontab still isn't running |
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| 14:42.12 | Dewi | sparrw: oh noes disk space |
| 14:42.51 | sparrw | i have debian installed on machines with spare storage measured in kilobytes. so yes, "oh noes disk space" |
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| 14:43.14 | Dewi | sparrw: you're going to have trouble storing the mail then |
| 14:43.36 | sparrw | only if i try to store it :-p |
| 14:43.42 | Dewi | I just think Thunderbird's interface is pretty sparse compared to MS's |
| 14:43.58 | sparrw | oh, i agree |
| 14:44.03 | Dewi | takes about an hour to go through all outlook's stupid options and I still can't bottom-post |
| 14:44.11 | Dewi | whereas thunderbird takes about 90 seconds |
| 14:44.25 | sparrw | this is for someone who needs 2 buttons. reply and delete :) |
| 14:44.31 | Dewi | hehe |
| 14:44.37 | sparrw | and delete is optional |
| 14:45.05 | Dewi | well, I do work with people for whom two sentences of text instead of one on a form, will confuse them for upwards of 5 minutes |
| 14:45.39 | Ronin | sounds like some of my users :) |
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| 14:47.33 | screenname92834 | hi |
| 14:47.36 | screenname92834 | hi folks |
| 14:47.45 | screenname92834 | I just installed a library from a debian package |
| 14:47.59 | screenname92834 | and it put this file libblah.so.1.3.4 into /usr/lib |
| 14:48.16 | cast | as ya do |
| 14:48.17 | screenname92834 | and apparently i need a symlink like libblah.so to make it work |
| 14:48.33 | screenname92834 | what is going on here and why doesn't it do it automatically? |
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| 14:48.52 | wols_ | screenname92834: the program that needs the symlink is what? is it another debian package? |
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| 14:49.14 | bartden | hi, i need a database client that connects to an oracle database and can execute query's on it, and give baclk results to the user, any suggestions |
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| 14:55.16 | Ronin | any best sHe[15] is a spam bot? heh |
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| 14:55.58 | screenname92834 | wols_: ld for a start |
| 14:56.31 | jelly | screenname92834: your third party binary application is somewhat badly compiled, that's why |
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| 14:57.12 | screenname92834 | ??? |
| 14:57.12 | jelly | screenname92834: pastebin ldd -v binary_which_uses_libblah, might provide clues |
| 14:57.28 | Dewi | what can I do to make dm-crypt not prompt me for a passphrase on boot? |
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| 14:57.44 | jelly | screenname92834: the .so link is shipped in libblah*-dev package |
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| 14:57.54 | cast | Dewi: remove the entry from /etc/crypttab |
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| 14:58.14 | Dewi | cast: I don't have one |
| 14:58.21 | Dewi | cast: my root partition is crypted |
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| 14:58.32 | Nyle | hi |
| 14:58.43 | Dewi | cast: thought I'd try the option in the debian installer |
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| 14:59.17 | cast | Dewi: you really don't have a crypttab? even in the initrd? but anyway...with encrypted root you'll have to input the passphrase some other way. which is up to your imagination |
| 14:59.33 | cast | Dewi: i used an openpgp cryptocard to good success |
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| 14:59.37 | tomdick | i'm trying to enable radius auth by mac address using the debian freeradius package. i keep getting the error that clear text password is not available. obviously i've misconfigured something but there's not a lot of examples for what i'm trying to do |
| 14:59.39 | Dewi | cast: well I set it to "" |
| 14:59.43 | Dewi | cast: in the hope that would suppress it |
| 14:59.58 | cast | Dewi: the passphrase? |
| 15:00.01 | Dewi | cast: but it still needs me to hit enter on boot |
| 15:00.04 | Dewi | cast: yes |
| 15:00.22 | grEvenX | bwah |
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| 15:00.28 | cast | Dewi: use a keyscript |
| 15:00.47 | grEvenX | booting to single-user mode and running dpkg-reconfigure -a resulted in the keyboard not working anymore |
| 15:00.48 | Dewi | cast: is my initrd mounted now? |
| 15:00.48 | grEvenX | grrr |
| 15:00.51 | screenname92834 | jelly: ok that's interesting |
| 15:01.03 | Dewi | grEvenX: ouch. usb keyboard? |
| 15:01.13 | grEvenX | no, ps2 |
| 15:01.25 | cast | Dewi: uh...no, its a cpio |
| 15:01.46 | Dewi | cast: right. |
| 15:02.00 | Dewi | cast: I just wanted to do this for the learning experience. Now I'm kind of tired of it. |
| 15:02.13 | Dewi | cast: and I don't know about initrd, or keyscripts, or anything like that |
| 15:02.35 | tictac | lol |
| 15:03.40 | bintut | am i doing the right thing? ==> http://paste.debian.net/37005 |
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| 15:03.53 | cast | Dewi: ahh, ok then. go back to unencrypted / then ;) |
| 15:04.09 | Dewi | cast: is that the easiest way to get rid of the prompt? |
| 15:04.27 | bintut | please ignore line 1 of my paste.. |
| 15:04.58 | cast | Dewi: you could edit ./scripts/local-top/cryptroot in initrd, not sure what the correct way to do that is |
| 15:05.11 | cast | Dewi: aside from that...just don't reboot :) |
| 15:05.19 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.54 | mick_work | is there a way to see what files were deleted recently? |
| 15:06.14 | mick_work | or would i have needed an IDS :) |
| 15:06.19 | Dewi | cast: so... do I unzip the initrd, make changes, zip it up again? |
| 15:06.22 | cast | mick_work: not that i know of |
| 15:06.42 | mick_work | i think that snort/aide would keep logs like that |
| 15:06.54 | cast | Dewi: dunno. its autogenerated AFAIK so making changes to it directly could be pointless if they get reset next time its regenerated |
| 15:07.11 | cast | Dewi: and its not zipped |
| 15:07.35 | Dewi | right. |
| 15:07.38 | Dewi | full install again? |
| 15:07.50 | dalias | umm |
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| 15:08.30 | cast | i would, encrypting / is fairly pointless |
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| 15:08.49 | dalias | i thought the whole point of odt was that it's NOT a memory dump like MS formats... |
| 15:08.58 | cast | no need to encrypt /bin, /sbin, /usr...etc.. |
| 15:09.05 | Dewi | dalias: it's not, it's a zip file |
| 15:09.08 | mick_work | cast: i disagree |
| 15:09.13 | dalias | ah |
| 15:09.17 | dalias | that makes more sense |
| 15:09.24 | Dewi | dalias: most of it is XML, but not the PNG files and whatnot |
| 15:09.33 | Dewi | dalias: as that would be really inefficient :) |
| 15:09.39 | dalias | :) |
| 15:09.50 | cast | mick_work: oh, why bother encrypting a bunch of files you can grab off a mirror? and that everyone [your isp, the mirror, everyone along the way] knows you've grabbed |
| 15:09.53 | mick_work | cast: since apps can leave temp files |
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| 15:10.08 | mick_work | oh - heh - i missed the convo |
| 15:10.13 | cast | mick_work: well, notice i didn't list /home, /var or /tmp :P |
| 15:10.15 | dalias | storing png as text can be almost-efficient if the text is utf8 :P |
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| 15:10.27 | Dewi | well, I was just trying a different option in the installer |
| 15:10.32 | mick_work | cast: i though you meant encrypted file systems |
| 15:10.35 | Dewi | if it's left me with a totally obnoxious system |
| 15:10.38 | dalias | actually that would be nice... a new version of 'base64' encoding that's for utf-8 text instead |
| 15:10.43 | Dewi | then I guess I'll reinstall the whole thing |
| 15:10.45 | mick_work | i just walked in :) |
| 15:10.49 | dalias | and makes use of all the characters available |
| 15:10.56 | Dewi | I'm just kind of surprised there's no half-measures |
| 15:11.22 | cast | Dewi: its probably easier, use LVM though :D, and if you want to encrypt things i'd only go as far as /var and /home, and put /tmp on tmpfs |
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| 15:12.14 | cast | then you can just edit /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks.functions and /etc/cryptab when you want to do custom things |
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| 15:12.57 | tictac | why would you only encrypt /var and /home? |
| 15:13.06 | cast | tictac: why would you encrypt more? |
| 15:13.09 | Dewi | tictac: because that's where people's data is |
| 15:13.14 | tictac | why not all (except boot of course) |
| 15:13.23 | rahul | tictac: why bother with /usr? |
| 15:13.28 | rahul | that's all files from debian.org |
| 15:13.29 | cast | tictac: because you have a performance hit |
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| 15:13.47 | rahul | note that tmpfs can get swapped out |
| 15:14.00 | cast | tictac: it also makes things more difficult, say recovering your system to a bootable state |
| 15:14.10 | tictac | maybe its just a personal pref to encrypt everything. |
| 15:14.18 | tictac | cast: thats what backups are for :) |
| 15:14.40 | dalias | encrypting everything is good if you want to prevent an attacker from tampering with the file contents |
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| 15:14.51 | dalias | e.g. putting a trojan in your programs |
| 15:14.59 | cast | dalias: they can still do that. |
| 15:15.10 | cast | dalias: /boot and the initrd are unencrypted |
| 15:15.13 | rahul | dalias: encrypting their trojan won't change a thing |
| 15:15.27 | dalias | rahul, they don't have the symmetric key to encrypt it with |
| 15:15.33 | rahul | dalias: but you do |
| 15:15.47 | rahul | and you'll encrypt it and write it |
| 15:15.50 | cast | if you were to put a rootkit anywhere it would be directly into the kernel :) |
| 15:15.51 | Dewi | dalias: what, so they take the system offline, physically access the disk and install the trojans, and then boot the system back up without you noticing? |
| 15:15.56 | dalias | rahul, no i won't |
| 15:15.59 | Dewi | dalias: seems pretty unlikely |
| 15:16.09 | rahul | dalias: then you wouldn't do that on an unencrypted FS |
| 15:16.19 | dalias | cast, in an ideal fully-encrypted system the kernel is encrypted too |
| 15:16.20 | grEvenX | what package can I reconfigure in debian to change the authentication system? |
| 15:16.39 | tictac | you could always have /boot on a seperate volume (thumbdrive for instance) |
| 15:16.51 | tictac | which is, hopefully, on you at all times. |
| 15:17.01 | blj | cast, Dewi.. got the public key authentication working. the problem was the file format of the public key PuttyGen generated and the one that sshd expected are different. thanks anyway. |
| 15:17.06 | dalias | and the crypto is done in volatile hardware that's destroyed under tampering |
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| 15:17.22 | Dewi | blj: oh. yes. that's why it has that export mode. didn't think of that. |
| 15:17.43 | Dewi | blj: dunno why it doesn't use the normal format to begin with |
| 15:18.15 | blj | Dewi: apparently ssh 2 has a standard format which sshd does not follow and still uses ssh 1 standard |
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| 15:18.39 | PriceChild | !ops sHe[15] is a spammer on join |
| 15:18.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: pricechild complains about: sHe[15] is a spammer on join |
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| 15:19.15 | PriceChild | ty |
| 15:19.16 | peterS | good call, PriceChild |
| 15:19.24 | peterS | (no, I didn't do the kline) |
| 15:19.29 | grEvenX | any of the console packages ? |
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| 15:19.47 | cast | < Ronin> any best sHe[15] is a spam bot? heh <- heh! |
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| 15:21.59 | Optic | mooo moo mooo |
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| 15:22.31 | peterS | Optic: in English, please.... |
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| 15:25.25 | RichiH | any suggestions which CA software packages are good? an API would be a plus |
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| 15:25.53 | mick_work | RichiH: CA? |
| 15:26.06 | peterS | Computer Associates? Certificate Authority? |
| 15:26.16 | peterS | Canada? Catalan? California? |
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| 15:27.04 | smacnay | chartered accounting? |
| 15:27.12 | mick_work | computer associates had an app called jxplorer that is ok |
| 15:27.28 | mick_work | any standard LDAP API will work w/ it |
| 15:27.38 | mick_work | there is your answer :-P |
| 15:27.39 | smacnay | canada has a company called Corel that produces WordPerfect - I hear it is ok |
| 15:27.50 | mick_work | ewww SCO |
| 15:27.54 | smacnay | hehe |
| 15:28.16 | peterS | the Comedian Answerers, you mean? |
| 15:28.22 | smacnay | yes |
| 15:28.23 | mick_work | heh |
| 15:28.24 | Ronin | that too |
| 15:28.30 | smacnay | or Comic A**holes |
| 15:28.44 | liable | hehe |
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| 15:29.03 | cast | aahh i remembered! mplayer -msglevel all=-1 porn & wasn't working, nohup mplayer -msglevel all=-1 porn & did what i wanted :D |
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| 15:29.58 | mick_work | cast: don't forget to use -softvol ;) |
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| 15:30.33 | mick_work | that way you can mute the crappy music and play something good |
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| 15:31.05 | cast | its not really porn, someone just sent me porn.gpg to hide what it really was D: |
| 15:31.13 | smacnay | cast: or -nosound |
| 15:32.40 | en1gmaaa | morning all |
| 15:33.11 | cast | i have come to like CACHEDIR.TAG and tar --exclude-caches |
| 15:33.18 | en1gma | man i was up til 3:00am working on my linux box |
| 15:33.43 | en1gma | its 10:30am now and im just finished my 1st coffee and smoke |
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| 15:35.50 | en1gma | ok here goes it...i have hard drives in my linux box hda=/, hdb=swap, hdc=/home and hdd=/storage....i was trying all night to get my ide cdrom working on a sata port on my mb with this ide-sata converter |
| 15:35.55 | en1gma | anyone want to help me get it going? |
| 15:36.13 | cast | ide-sata converter sounds like trouble |
| 15:36.23 | en1gma | 1 min phone |
| 15:36.34 | RichiH | mick_work: certificate authority |
| 15:36.43 | mick_work | so SSL or TLS? |
| 15:36.51 | RichiH | Ronin: nah, why bother :p |
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| 15:37.10 | mick_work | RichiH: you want to setup a CA right? |
| 15:37.17 | RichiH | mick_work: yes |
| 15:37.42 | mick_work | install openssl |
| 15:37.45 | RichiH | mick_work: TLS or SSL both work with openssl certs, so.. |
| 15:38.04 | mick_work | then do: /usr/local/ssl/misc/CA.pl -newca |
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| 15:38.32 | Dewi | * note that that CA script has some values you might want to change |
| 15:38.42 | mick_work | you know how to sign certs? |
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| 15:39.26 | mick_work | create them and sign them |
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| 15:39.43 | RichiH | mick_work: i wrote my own CA in perl, so yah. i just want something that has features like revokation lists and, if possible, an XMLRPC api |
| 15:39.54 | en1gma | back |
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| 15:40.23 | mick_work | so sign them: openssl ca -policy some_policy -out foo.crt -infiles foo.csr |
| 15:40.29 | mick_work | RichiH: ah ok |
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| 15:40.48 | mick_work | why not go w/ openssl's stuff? |
| 15:41.32 | RichiH | mick_work: its scriptability sucks, imo |
| 15:42.00 | RichiH | mick_work: and as i need xmlrpc anyway, i thought i could just dump my stuff and go for off-the-web stuff |
| 15:42.02 | en1gma | "<cast> ide-sata converter sounds like trouble" well believe it or not i think im just one command away from it working....ex: in my bios there is a "sata enable/disabled and "sata rom boot" when i enable "sata rom boot" the debian installer actually makes it pretty far...upto a point where it says load cdrom-drivers |
| 15:42.30 | en1gma | and i tried with other distros to...and they get part way |
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| 15:43.02 | RichiH | mick_work: CA.pl is at /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl btw |
| 15:43.04 | en1gma | so the dvd/cd-rom is working at beginning i think it just gets a wierd drive letter and it dont know where the cdrom is to mount |
| 15:43.21 | en1gma | or maybe i need to load a module that im overlooking |
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| 15:44.40 | en1gma | so does anyone want to help me get this working cause i have no dvd/cd-rom and that computer and it would be nice to have one in it |
| 15:44.44 | en1gma | :) |
| 15:45.24 | en1gma | http://www.abit-usa.com/technology/serillel_new.php <<<i dont know if i have the version 1 or 2 |
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| 15:46.32 | en1gma | im pretty sure i have that version 2 cause mine looks exactly like that picture |
| 15:46.33 | x03 | is Conceptronic C480i5 USB suported by debian ? |
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| 15:47.20 | en1gma | ok i dont even want to boot from the dvd/cd-rom anymore as i already have debian installed...but i sure would like to be able to add a cdrom to that box |
| 15:47.35 | en1gma | so i turned off the sata rom boot |
| 15:47.46 | en1gma | just left sata enabled |
| 15:49.00 | azeem | 4 |
| 15:49.02 | azeem | oops |
| 15:51.01 | screenname92834 | jelly: thanks for you advice matey. I've got it sust now. |
| 15:51.40 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.17 | Jkl82 | Hi... |
| 15:56.51 | Jkl82 | Can somebody help with my /etc/profile... is not creating session var.. :( |
| 15:57.52 | Jkl82 | I read at some "foro" and looks like Im doing everthing fine |
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| 15:58.34 | en1gma | brb have to go into bios and adjust sata setting |
| 15:59.53 | Jkl82 | :( |
| 16:00.32 | Jkl82 | abrotman, are u there? |
| 16:00.35 | ampex | en1gma: ahci? |
| 16:01.15 | ampex | the debian installer bug that doesn't create devices in the same fashion as the actual booting machine kills the ability to setup a SATA RAID array spanning multiple controllers, what a pain. |
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| 16:02.14 | ampex | and adding devices from the new controller to a RAID 5 array afterwards is dreadfully slow |
| 16:02.52 | abrotman | Jkl82: ? |
| 16:03.09 | Jkl82 | abrotman, hi... |
| 16:03.17 | abrotman | did you export it ? |
| 16:03.26 | Jkl82 | yes.. |
| 16:03.34 | Jkl82 | and restart session... |
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| 16:03.48 | Jkl82 | Any Idea, what else should I look? |
| 16:04.26 | Jkl82 | abrotman, u mena, export from inside (/etc/profile) right? |
| 16:04.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:04.47 | Jkl82 | yes, I did it |
| 16:05.02 | abrotman | paste it somewhere |
| 16:05.19 | pocukrani | it`s Xara graphics software for free? |
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| 16:05.21 | abrotman | en1gma: you should ask ronin! |
| 16:05.23 | Jkl82 | abrotman, paste to u? |
| 16:05.26 | abrotman | no |
| 16:05.27 | abrotman | !paste |
| 16:05.27 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 16:06.19 | Jkl82 | ("merge lines")?, abrotman |
| 16:06.37 | abrotman | just paste it |
| 16:06.44 | Jkl82 | man paste -> merge lines of files |
| 16:06.47 | abrotman | no |
| 16:06.52 | abrotman | http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 16:06.54 | abrotman | paste it there |
| 16:07.02 | en1gmaa | http://pastebin.ca/695892 = my lspic and lsmod |
| 16:07.02 | Jkl82 | abrotman, ? :( |
| 16:07.14 | abrotman | and now we've gone off the deep end |
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| 16:07.52 | abrotman | Jkl82: we need to see the item that you're trying to set/export ... |
| 16:07.56 | en1gmaa | i just want to get my cdrom/dvdrom working with that ide-sata adapter....has anyone ever tried to get it working in debian |
| 16:07.59 | abrotman | and i'm about to go get food |
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| 16:08.31 | en1gmaa | btw i seen a sticker on the adapter and it is this exact one http://www.abit-usa.com/technology/serillel_new.php |
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| 16:08.57 | psyche_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.59 | psyche_ | whats wrong? |
| 16:09.12 | psyche_ | i cant access my server from LAN |
| 16:09.16 | Jkl82 | ohh.. just JAVA_HOME... JAVA_HOME=/usr/share/jvm/sun-..../bin/ \ export JAVA_HOME ... that's it abrotman |
| 16:09.43 | cast | psyche_: you're appending to the chain, maybe another rule catches it beforehand in that chain |
| 16:09.58 | psyche_ | propably |
| 16:10.53 | Jkl82 | abrotman, Im gonna try a couple of things that I just read. |
| 16:10.58 | Jkl82 | abrotman, cya in a bit. |
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| 16:15.47 | Jkl82 | abrotman, hi |
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| 16:15.59 | Jkl82 | abrotman, no... didnt work. |
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| 16:17.24 | Jkl82 | abrotman,... are u there? |
| 16:18.11 | guhhh | i don't remember the exactly package to install 32libraries for 64 bit system... what is it? |
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| 16:19.22 | DexterF | hi |
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| 16:20.45 | guhhh | :-( |
| 16:20.49 | guhhh | !libs32 |
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| 16:21.59 | guhhh | i don't remember the exactly package to install 32libraries for 64 bit system... what is it? |
| 16:22.17 | hark | ia32-libs |
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| 16:27.16 | harpal | how can I increase screen resolution? |
| 16:27.17 | orlandoj | hi all, someone can tell me the name of the package who receive the login and password in the X interceface ? |
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| 16:28.56 | en1gmaa | in the debian kernel do i need to enable an option for it to boot my dvd/cd-rom using the ide-sata adapter |
| 16:29.21 | jetscreamer | it doesn't work like that |
| 16:29.29 | en1gmaa | im using the default 2.6.22-2-486 in sid |
| 16:29.52 | guhhh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:30.00 | jetscreamer | /var/log |
| 16:30.33 | jetscreamer | orlandoj: you mean like gdm/kdm/xdm ? |
| 16:30.41 | jesseboy12 | does anyone know howto search in a directory over each file and change a certain word to another word? |
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| 16:30.53 | jetscreamer | harpal: xrandr -s |
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| 16:31.47 | orlandoj | jetscreamer, my problem is, i upgraded an debian, and now I log in like root in the X, and when I stop the session, the machine frozen. |
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| 16:33.14 | jetscreamer | does it hang as $USER ? |
| 16:33.52 | orlandoj | Ronin, The owner of this machine likes to use the machine like root. But he just compile fortran softwares. |
| 16:34.15 | cast | if he likes to use root let him fix it :) |
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| 16:35.55 | Ronin | heh that's what i was thinking cast |
| 16:36.38 | en1gmaa | i attached the drive while the system was on here is the dmesg when i attached it http://pastebin.ca/695933 |
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| 16:37.26 | ampex | If I have an IP address such as 10.3.2.50 and I want to change it to 10.3.2.150 programmatically using bash, how would I go about doing so? |
| 16:37.31 | RainbowW | okay so when rtorrent under lenny finishes a torrent, i get "junk at end of input" and it crashes. i can restart it and it runs okay, but when the next torrent finishes, it crashes again. since i consistently run as many as 80 torrents, this is something of a problem. where to look? |
| 16:37.36 | en1gma | my sata rom boot in bios is not enabled currently |
| 16:37.47 | cast | jesseboy12: sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' * or some such |
| 16:37.54 | liable | ampex: ifconfig |
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| 16:38.09 | ampex | I just want to change the text |
| 16:38.14 | cast | RainbowW: querybts, part of the reportbug[s?] pkg |
| 16:38.18 | ampex | read in an IP address from a file and write it out in a modified way |
| 16:38.33 | ampex | by adding a 1 before the last octet |
| 16:38.43 | RainbowW | cast: part of the debian bug tracking system, or the rtorrent one? |
| 16:38.52 | cast | ampex: ask in bash, though sed, perl or awk may all have answers too |
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| 16:39.09 | cast | RainbowW: i mean to say, check the bts :) |
| 16:39.31 | cast | RainbowW: as in bug tracker |
| 16:40.03 | RainbowW | cast i understand where you're pointing me to. i'm asking which one you're referring to (thinking that you already know of a specific bug report i should find) |
| 16:40.20 | simonrvn | BTS, debian |
| 16:40.24 | RainbowW | ok |
| 16:41.11 | RainbowW | i generally prefer the web interface which is why i asked |
| 16:41.11 | simonrvn | reportbug is the package name, BTW, cast |
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| 16:41.12 | cast | simonrvn: ahh, roger |
| 16:41.17 | cast | RainbowW: i wasn't refering to any specific bug, thats just where to look for such problems :) |
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| 16:45.06 | Mantis-tracker | MM |
| 16:45.27 | Mantis-tracker | anyone have idea to download debian in one DVD ?¿ |
| 16:45.56 | Mantis-tracker | 6 |
| 16:46.01 | Mantis-tracker | 5 |
| 16:46.02 | Mantis-tracker | 4 |
| 16:46.03 | Mantis-tracker | 3 |
| 16:46.04 | Mantis-tracker | 2 |
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| 16:46.09 | simonrvn | you don't need all of them, you can d/l just the netinst and do the rest via net |
| 16:46.11 | Mantis-tracker | Go! |
| 16:46.12 | simonrvn | stop that |
| 16:46.13 | Mantis-tracker | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:46.22 | Mantis-tracker | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.25 | simonrvn | !ops Mantis-tracker trolling |
| 16:46.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: Mantis-tracker trolling |
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| 16:46.26 | Ronin | !op Mantis-tracker flooding |
| 16:46.31 | Ronin | heh never mind |
| 16:46.36 | simonrvn | thank you Tomasu |
| 16:46.41 | simonrvn | er tomaw |
| 16:46.50 | simonrvn | Tomasu: sorry bad tab completion |
| 16:46.53 | liable | qiuck draw tomaw! |
| 16:46.58 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 16:47.03 | Tomasu | \o/ |
| 16:47.24 | Tomasu | you'd never think soo many people were that hasty when tab completing ;D |
| 16:47.35 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 16:53.29 | rahul | crazy russians |
| 16:53.33 | rahul | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6990802.stm |
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| 16:53.53 | rahul | why can't we have a sex holiday? |
| 16:53.55 | wfq | hi guys |
| 16:54.02 | rahul | oh, right. that's new year's. |
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| 16:55.30 | elenril | hmm, i'm getting a strange error |
| 16:55.40 | elenril | i've just upgraded to xorg 7.3 |
| 16:55.56 | elenril | and iceweasel started to crash on some pages |
| 16:56.00 | cast | don't you know better than to talk to strange errors |
| 16:56.34 | elenril | http://pastebin.ca/695968 |
| 16:56.41 | elenril | like this |
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| 16:56.44 | liable | 7.3 is in the repos? |
| 16:56.50 | elenril | in experimental |
| 16:57.04 | liable | then dont ask for help here :P |
| 16:57.11 | elenril | but the strange thing is that it doesn't crash when i run it as |
| 16:57.17 | rahul | as |
| 16:57.20 | elenril | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/iceweasel/ /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin |
| 16:58.07 | rahul | maybe an nspr issue |
| 16:58.27 | rahul | at least, nspr may be using features that you disabled when upgrading the X server. |
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| 16:59.42 | wfq | I have many servers and many developer using the root's user by dsa_key (I found this panoram) dropping in it a lot of temporary files. |
| 17:00.11 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.18 | cast | do you mean to say how many users login as root with PKI? |
| 17:00.42 | elenril | it's not strange that it crashes; i would expect it from experimental |
| 17:00.52 | elenril | but why the other way works? |
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| 17:01.15 | rahul | elenril: try removing libnspr4-0d |
| 17:02.10 | cast | uh, wait, i read something totally different. my bad. |
| 17:02.25 | rahul | ug, assbadger deps on it |
| 17:02.35 | wfq | cast, no. I don't want them to log in as root but user and nobody has root's access excepts admnistrator |
| 17:02.47 | elenril | rahul, a LOT of thins depend on it :) |
| 17:02.58 | rahul | !penixstrike nspr |
| 17:02.58 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking nspr to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:03.18 | rahul | elenril: well, you must have disabled something... why don't you have x input in your X server? |
| 17:03.33 | elenril | ? |
| 17:03.40 | elenril | i didn't |
| 17:03.58 | elenril | i just upgraded all xorg packages |
| 17:03.59 | rahul | then why don't you have it? |
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| 17:04.14 | rahul | xdpyinfo -queryExtensions and look for which extension has ID 147 |
| 17:04.16 | rahul | erm |
| 17:04.19 | rahul | 146 |
| 17:04.45 | osmosis | any thoughts on lvm snapshots slowing down disk io? |
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| 17:05.41 | elenril | MIT-SHM (opcode: 146, base event: 94, base error: 170) |
| 17:05.45 | elenril | ? |
| 17:05.46 | phr0zen | Hey I have apache running good and works on computers on my network but I want to be able to have it work on the internet how can I do that? I have already tried forwarding ports and not sure what to do |
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| 17:06.15 | RainbowW | so i'm trying to do a source compile of the latest versions of rtorrent and libtorrent, since the upstream source versions are newer than the versions in lenny. i'm getting a compile error that sigc++-2.0 is not installed ... but according to apt, they are, and the files are in /usr/bin. how do i get ./configure to see it? |
| 17:06.57 | liable | RainbowW: you need the -dev package of them |
| 17:07.02 | RainbowW | ty |
| 17:07.33 | rahul | elenril: strange |
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| 17:08.12 | rahul | elenril: you probably need to recompile ... some ... stuff ... to get it to work again |
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| 17:09.04 | elenril | RECORD (opcode: 145, base error: 169) now it's getting creepy :) |
| 17:09.31 | elenril | rahul, do you have any idea why running firefox-bin directly works? |
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| 17:10.21 | rahul | elenril: shrug... |
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| 17:11.00 | rahul | I think there's a different libnspr in lib/iceweasel |
| 17:11.06 | rahul | that could be the difference |
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| 17:12.03 | rahul | pardon. must listen to project hate mcmxcix |
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| 17:12.20 | rahul | \m/ Ó \m/ |
| 17:12.34 | knighthk | I need a package from lenny in my etch installation - if it doesn't have many dependancies in lenny I guess it should all work out right? Whats the easy way of adding it to sources.list |
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| 17:12.41 | liable | browneye? |
| 17:12.53 | Ronin | knighthk: backports is teh safest way |
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| 17:13.52 | weez | hello, can anyone tell me the prescribed method for changing libapache2-mod-php4 to php5 without uninstalling anything that depends on it? |
| 17:14.01 | knighthk | Ronin: specifically, http://packages.debian.org/source/puppet is the lenny package I'd like |
| 17:14.15 | liable | weez: just install it |
| 17:14.15 | weez | s/prescribed/recommended/ |
| 17:14.37 | knighthk | Ronin: do you mean backports.org? |
| 17:14.45 | Ronin | knighthk: yes |
| 17:14.51 | weez | liable: what does that do to the apache config? since apache can only have one mod php? |
| 17:14.52 | knighthk | Ronin: cool, never tried it. |
| 17:15.17 | liable | weez: install all the php5 stuff |
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| 17:15.42 | weez | liable: ok i will give it a try, now that I think about it, since apache2 uses separate files |
| 17:15.47 | weez | liable: it should just work.. |
| 17:15.53 | weez | liable: thanks |
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| 17:16.03 | liable | weez: it does, i had both installed for ages :) |
| 17:16.51 | sven_oostenbrink | Im trying to install compiz-kde with apt-get but it gives me this error: ¨compiz-kde: Depends: libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig but it is not installable¨ |
| 17:16.56 | sven_oostenbrink | how can I fix this? |
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| 17:17.11 | weez | liable: this is way cool: Package libapache2-mod-php4 is to be removed. |
| 17:17.22 | weez | liable: looks like they really tested this |
| 17:17.24 | knighthk | Ronin: hrm, it's not there it seems (this is for etch not sarge) |
| 17:17.46 | weez | liable: i should have just trusted the debian developers... |
| 17:18.05 | eusto | can anyone point me to a mode text browser that supports http authentication? |
| 17:18.10 | liable | weez: if your running etch, yeah, you generally can |
| 17:18.11 | abrotman | w3m |
| 17:18.17 | weez | liable: yep |
| 17:18.26 | weez | off to double check that nothing broke.. |
| 17:18.30 | Ronin | knighthk: and backports.org is set up for etch |
| 17:18.35 | weez | liable: thanks |
| 17:18.44 | knighthk | Ronin: right, puppet is just not there. |
| 17:19.00 | Ronin | was about to say assuming of course its been backported :) |
| 17:19.01 | liable | weez: no worries |
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| 17:22.28 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
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| 17:27.04 | supaman | a little off topic, but what the heck: I have a shell program that pops up a octave plot window once in a while and it gets in my way .. how do I make the window pop up in the workspace of the shell window and not the one that I am viewing at the moment? |
| 17:27.24 | supaman | Im using GNOME |
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| 17:28.16 | gener1c | say how do i get apt-get to install dependencies automaticlly to a package i am trying to install? |
| 17:28.43 | supaman | it does that automatically |
| 17:29.03 | supaman | it cant install a package without its dependencies being fulfilled |
| 17:29.03 | Zygo | supaman: you might be able to configure your window manager to recognize the pop up window and place it on the right workspace |
| 17:29.15 | Zygo | sawfish and maybe the KDE wm can do that |
| 17:29.30 | supaman | Zygo: yeh .. thats what I was hoping for ... so the default wm for GNOME cant handle that? |
| 17:29.48 | Zygo | supaman: I'm not sure what the default WM for GNOME is... |
| 17:29.48 | gener1c | <supaman> it only gives me an error that i need those dependencies |
| 17:30.08 | azeem | supaman: check devilspie |
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| 17:31.09 | supaman | gener1c: hmm .. what is the error you get? (paste here if it is not to big, else use a paste bot, see topic for the channel) |
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| 17:31.36 | supaman | azeem: thanks .. will check that out |
| 17:31.38 | DexterF | something wrong with the multimedia repositories? |
| 17:31.58 | gener1c | !paste |
| 17:31.58 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 17:32.49 | gener1c | http://paste.debian.net/37020 |
| 17:32.55 | gener1c | broken pack |
| 17:32.58 | gener1c | argh |
| 17:33.25 | sven_oostenbrink | Does anybody knows why compiz-kde needs the package ¨libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig¨ ?? The problem is that this package can not be found by apt-get so I can not install compiz-kde.. Who can help me to fix this? |
| 17:33.34 | supaman | gener1c: done a apt-get update recently? |
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| 17:33.45 | valdyn | gener1c: apt-get is just reporting the the dependencies are not available from the repositories it has in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:34.17 | valdyn | gener1c: or not installable rather. |
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| 17:34.53 | Zygo | apt-get has an annoying habit of completely losing its marbles if it gets an error part way through an install...if the initial state of packages is broken, apt-get refuses to automatically resolve anything unless you use '-f install' with no packages |
| 17:35.22 | Zygo | and usually apt-get's solution is to remove everything that seems broken (which sometimes includes all GNOME or KDE packages) |
| 17:35.33 | Zygo | aptitude has a really nice interactive dependency resolver |
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| 17:37.28 | mosno | does anyone have better documentation than in apt_preferences(5) for pin types? ie. you see a=unstable as a pin, but can you specify by nickname, ie. a=sid? |
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| 17:38.44 | Zygo | wow, GNOME completely fails to start on an 8-bit display |
| 17:39.31 | amphi | Zygo: ain't progress wonderful? ;) |
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| 17:40.09 | Zygo | Is Sawfish the default GNOME window manager or have I just got a borked configuration? |
| 17:40.18 | mosno | Zygo: borked |
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| 17:41.07 | Zygo | mosno: where might I find the borkage? |
| 17:41.21 | Zygo | update-alternatives says Enlightenment is x-window-manager, of all things |
| 17:41.36 | mosno | Zygo: is Sawfish default for a fresh user? |
| 17:41.49 | mosno | Zygo: if not, probably in the borked user's Gnome Session settings |
| 17:42.08 | Zygo | mosno: trying that now (although I can't find a gnome session setting for WM choice) |
| 17:42.11 | mosno | ps. lol @ borkage |
| 17:42.27 | mosno | Zygo: look at the running apps in the session (in one of the tabs there) |
| 17:43.01 | mosno | Zygo: ie. i have a 'metacity' program running in the Current Session list |
| 17:43.12 | mosno | which is the default wm |
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| 17:46.06 | simmerz | I'm trying to install grub - I'm chrooted into my environment from a livecd. if I try grub-install hd0, I get could not find device for /boot: not found or not a block device |
| 17:46.21 | frapell|lunch | is there a repository with the beta releases for KDE4 ? |
| 17:46.21 | Zygo | The sessions tab lists /usr/bin/sawfish, but I already knew that... |
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| 17:46.40 | frapell|lunch | i'm searching google but no luck :( |
| 17:46.44 | Zygo | the trick is to figure out how it got set that way |
| 17:46.49 | mosno | Zygo: did you try a fresh user?? |
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| 17:47.13 | Zygo | mosno: I've tried root and my own ID, trying a new user now |
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| 17:48.02 | Zygo | Hmmm...could be because metacity is not installed on the machine |
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| 17:48.32 | mosno | hahaha |
| 17:48.42 | frapell|lunch | does anyone here knows where to get kde4 repos for debian ? |
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| 17:49.11 | mosno | frapell|lunch: iirc, kde themselves host up some |
| 17:49.23 | Zygo | ...although 'gnome' is. Must be a Recommends: dependency on metacity, or it depends on a virtual package provided by Sawfish |
| 17:49.26 | mosno | frapell|lunch: though that was a while ago when i last checked, ie. years |
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| 17:49.37 | en1gma | sup all |
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| 17:49.45 | ampex | I have a debian box with an eth0, and eth0:1 through eth0:50 specified in the /etc/network/interfaces file. It seems that outgoing connections are coming from the IP address of eth0:1 instead of eth0 (they are all on the same subnet) |
| 17:49.47 | ampex | any ideas? |
| 17:49.51 | frapell|lunch | mosno: no, they have repos for kubuntu :( |
| 17:49.55 | mosno | Zygo: aah |
| 17:50.14 | mosno | frapell|lunch: owned |
| 17:50.26 | frapell|lunch | damn... |
| 17:50.29 | en1gma | i had all my devices in my bios set to "enabled" when i installed debian....i have since disabled alot of the devices and rebooted and when i do an lsmod i see the modules are still loaded |
| 17:50.39 | en1gma | what is the correct way to remove modules not being used any more |
| 17:50.44 | en1gma | i dont want to reinstall |
| 17:50.55 | mosno | frapell|lunch: i mean you can look for some unofficial ones, but yea quality might be lacking. there's some apt-get.org or similar that could help |
| 17:51.38 | en1gma | i mean when i reboot again how do i make sure those modules dont get loaded up...i figured debian would see the devices disabled in bios and not load the modules automatically |
| 17:51.39 | frapell|lunch | yes... apt-get.org is like not updated anymore or something... at least last time i checked |
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| 17:52.13 | mosno | en1gma: probably with modprobe blacklists... |
| 17:52.28 | mosno | frapell|lunch: stick with KDE 3.5.*, it's pretty sweet :) |
| 17:52.45 | rx | hi. package X is broken. dpkg says its installed but it will try to reconfigure it as soon as i try to install something else. i tried to purge it back no luck (the uninstall sccript returns an error). what to do? |
| 17:52.50 | frapell|lunch | mosno: yeah... i wanted to give plasma a try |
| 17:52.52 | Zygo | libmetacity0 is installed, because gnome-control-center depends on it...but metacity itself is nowhere to be found :-P |
| 17:52.55 | mosno | frapell|lunch: you wont get that quality with KDE 4.0 |
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| 17:53.12 | mosno | frapell|lunch: build it yourself? |
| 17:53.16 | frapell|lunch | mosno: isn't faster and nicer ? |
| 17:53.24 | mosno | i wouldn't know |
| 17:53.29 | frapell|lunch | mosno: hehehe... no, i can wait a few months :P |
| 17:53.44 | frapell|lunch | well... thanks |
| 17:53.46 | mosno | the first stable release isn't really for widespread use |
| 17:53.58 | mosno | ie. in this case |
| 17:54.08 | DexterF | I installed KDE 3.5.7 form etch-backports, now I got a weird 3.5.5/3.5.7 package mix. what can I do about that? |
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| 17:55.00 | Zygo | indeed gnome-session only recommends metacity | sawfish...doesn't depend on any window manager. |
| 17:55.03 | mosno | frapell|lunch: is it in sid? maybe you can setup /etc/apt/preferences and pin down etch, then install kde4 from sid...? |
| 17:55.17 | Zygo | for some reason kdewallpapers suggests metacity. }:-/ |
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| 17:55.36 | frapell|lunch | mosno: aha... will try that |
| 17:55.56 | Zygo | oh, kdewallpapers suggests x-window-manager, so it shows up in metacity's rdepends view |
| 17:56.14 | Zygo | sometimes I wish the deps fields had an optional "what was the maintainer thinking" field |
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| 17:56.28 | Zygo | it would go next to the version number in square brackets ;-) |
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| 17:57.38 | mosno | Zygo: that's your 2nd virtual package mishap in 20min |
| 17:57.39 | mosno | :P |
| 17:57.56 | Zygo | mosno: I'm on a roll ;-) |
| 17:58.02 | mosno | a virtual roll |
| 17:58.03 | simmerz | where can i get grub stage1 and stage2 from? installing grub hasn't put them in /boot/grub |
| 17:58.06 | Spida | http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=98 <- lenovo lets users vote about which linux to install |
| 17:58.14 | Zygo | Actually I have a bunch of machines to upgrade over the next few weeks...some of them are pre-sarge |
| 17:59.06 | mosno | Spida: i dont trust any poll where Windows 98 gets 25 votes :) |
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| 18:00.43 | Spida | mosno: than add a couple more *g* |
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| 18:01.28 | mosno | i love the comment where someone who "always recommends debian" runs sid on his servers |
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| 18:02.32 | Spida | mosno: where is the problem? if he has time and resources to test the packages before - no problem.... |
| 18:02.39 | Spida | mosno: if not - not my problem *g* |
| 18:02.44 | Coweater | he doesn't |
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| 18:02.58 | Zygo | Depends on the server...if the server is basically a disk drive and a network card doing NFS all day, there's not much to go wrong |
| 18:03.28 | Zygo | For end-user desktops with 4000 installed packages written in six different programming language runtimes...sid's a little scary. |
| 18:03.32 | mosno | nothing goes wrong because he's coked-up on the floor |
| 18:03.41 | mosno | like any other sysadmin who runs sid on servers ;) |
| 18:03.43 | mmlj4 | is there a reason my atheros card stopped working when I apt-got me that latest kernel? |
| 18:04.46 | mmlj4 | runs fine if I boot to the earlier kernel, etc. |
| 18:04.51 | Spida | mmlj4: updated the module, too? |
| 18:05.05 | mmlj4 | Spida: apt-get dist-upgrade knows all |
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| 18:06.18 | Zygo | dist-upgrade won't help if you installed a new kernel version manually (as opposed to a new Debian version of an old kernel version) |
| 18:06.52 | mmlj4 | might this be related to the BSD/GPL tiff about the atheros cards? |
| 18:07.10 | Zygo | i.e. if you installed 'linux-image-2.6.N+1' then you need to install 'xyz-modules-2.6.N+1' too |
| 18:07.18 | simonrvn | weeeeeeeeeeee |
| 18:07.27 | abrotman | agreed |
| 18:07.38 | mmlj4 | Zygo: no manual involved... apt-get said "hey, here's a new kernel, I'm-a install it, right?" |
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| 18:08.09 | mmlj4 | is apt-get b0rked? |
| 18:08.19 | liable | mmlj4: did you run m-a again? |
| 18:08.23 | mmlj4 | m-a? |
| 18:08.27 | liable | or rebuild the module |
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| 18:09.07 | Zygo | ooooh, the atheros drivers are distributed by Debian now ;-) |
| 18:09.09 | mmlj4 | liable: i didn't build it the first time, why rebuild it? apt-get handles this stuff for me, that's why I run distros instead of LFS |
| 18:09.15 | liable | madwifi and the new ath5k are two seperate drivers |
| 18:09.18 | Zygo | Honestly, ignore these people for a year or two and they go off and do stuff ;-) |
| 18:09.24 | liable | mmlj4: its a kernel module, thats why |
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| 18:10.15 | mmlj4 | liable: then why does my ethernet jack work fine? and my mouse, and every other piece of hardware? why just the atheros card? |
| 18:10.18 | liable | mmlj4: if you didnt build it, then it must have been the wifi faires, 'cause it sure as hell isnt part of the main kernel |
| 18:10.28 | Nyle | build |
| 18:10.42 | Nyle | end |
| 18:10.45 | Nyle | ' |
| 18:10.53 | Nyle | liable ^^ |
| 18:11.03 | Zygo | mmlj4: m-a is module-assistant, it automates the out-of-kernel drivers like madwifi |
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| 18:11.20 | mmlj4 | Zygo: so just run "m-a"? |
| 18:11.24 | liable | Nyle: is this some new cryptic language i havent learnt yet? |
| 18:11.40 | geo-rge | he's building for the end |
| 18:11.43 | Zygo | mmlj4: module-assistant (it's only called m-a on IRC) |
| 18:11.46 | Nyle | liable: you said built instead of build, and you forgot to end the ' |
| 18:11.53 | abrotman | m-a is a command |
| 18:11.58 | liable | ah, geo-rge my linguist is here! |
| 18:12.14 | Zygo | abrotman: I stand corrected |
| 18:12.14 | Nyle | i thought it strange since you usually don't make mistakes |
| 18:12.15 | mmlj4 | again, I didn't do anything special to get the card working under the old kernel, unless you count inserting the card into the PCMCIA slot special |
| 18:12.16 | mick_work | hi everyone, i have a quickcam express on my computer and it isn't producing /dev/video or /dev/video0 -- how do i troubleshoot this? i think it has something to do w/ dga not working w/ my crappy nvidia driver |
| 18:12.18 | SRabbelier | Heya, I am struggling somewhat with grub; I'm trying to have Grub boot my WinXP partition, something I did before on different OS'es, but if I do the default "makeactive" and "chainloader +1" thingy all it does is show me the list of commands, and then.. nothing happens! |
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| 18:12.29 | mmlj4 | upgrading via apt-get BROKE something |
| 18:12.35 | mick_work | on another box i have my quickcam pro working great |
| 18:12.44 | mick_work | just plugged it in and it worked |
| 18:13.01 | liable | Nyle: i still have no clue wtf you are on about :P |
| 18:13.26 | geo-rge | cereal box? |
| 18:13.37 | liable | mmlj4: dude, when you install a new kernel, you need to rebuild your out of tree drivers. |
| 18:14.24 | Nyle | man |
| 18:14.24 | mmlj4 | liable: and these binary things ending in ".deb", someone packages them for me, and places them on some ftp site for me to use when running apt-get |
| 18:14.30 | Nyle | don't nobody know wtf im on about |
| 18:14.31 | Nyle | ever. |
| 18:14.37 | Nyle | :P |
| 18:14.45 | geo-rge | or somehow wrench em into the tree,,, but you'd have to do that every time... hassle |
| 18:14.53 | mmlj4 | you're not getting it... it worked the first time, with no building or configuring on my part |
| 18:15.02 | liable | go use ubuntu |
| 18:15.07 | Nyle | lol |
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| 18:15.10 | mmlj4 | liable: did I insult you? |
| 18:15.15 | mmlj4 | i can, if you like |
| 18:15.15 | Nyle | !smite liable |
| 18:15.18 | liable | mmlj4: no you are being a prat |
| 18:15.37 | abrotman | which driver is he whining about ? |
| 18:15.37 | mmlj4 | no, you're not actually listening to my actual question |
| 18:15.39 | Nyle | i think hes able to get it |
| 18:15.42 | abrotman | erm .. asking! |
| 18:15.43 | Nyle | you're unable to explain |
| 18:15.44 | liable | mmlj4: you were given your answer, now you just whine that apt broke shit |
| 18:15.49 | Nyle | cuz even i have no idea wtf you're on about |
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| 18:16.07 | liable | abrotman: madwifi |
| 18:16.10 | mmlj4 | no, i want to know why apt un-broke it initially |
| 18:16.15 | abrotman | /msg dpkg madwifi install |
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| 18:16.29 | Nyle | mmlj4: which debian release are you using? |
| 18:16.29 | liable | mmlj4: and we said, because you have a new kernel |
| 18:16.38 | geo-rge | mmlj4: you'd have to trace it down and find out what's going in |
| 18:16.39 | geo-rge | on |
| 18:16.42 | mmlj4 | Nyle: etch |
| 18:16.47 | Nyle | its very simple |
| 18:16.51 | Nyle | let me give you an example |
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| 18:17.08 | abrotman | mmlj4: that driver doesn't come with the ethc kernels .. you had to have done something to install it |
| 18:17.08 | mmlj4 | never mind, i'll do what dpkg said for now |
| 18:17.12 | Zygo | mmlj4: If it was working from a fresh install and broke afterwards, then it's possible the installer did something for you that you now have to do again |
| 18:17.21 | DexterF | doesn't debian's konsole read bash_profile? |
| 18:17.26 | Nyle | when i compile and install fglrx on a kernel 2.6.18-5 it worked fine. When i upgraded to 2.6.21 I had to recompile the fglrx module |
| 18:17.26 | liable | Zygo: its not in the installer |
| 18:17.27 | mick_work | hmmm, i just saw a difference between the boxes |
| 18:17.29 | Nyle | whats so hard to understand |
| 18:17.29 | geo-rge | mmlj4: are you building your own kernel? |
| 18:17.30 | mmlj4 | abrotman: maybe... it's possible I don't remember configging anything earlier |
| 18:17.35 | mick_work | videodev 25952 2 pwc <--- this is from the working one |
| 18:17.39 | Nyle | you got a new kernel, you have to recompile somethings |
| 18:17.44 | Nyle | not a big task really |
| 18:17.49 | mick_work | the other one doesn't say: pwc |
| 18:17.56 | mmlj4 | geo-rge: yes, with this magical tool I downloaded off some warez site, it's called "apt-get" |
| 18:17.58 | abrotman | DexterF: isn't .bash_profile for interactive logins ? |
| 18:18.05 | Nyle | har har. |
| 18:18.09 | mick_work | just: videodev 25952 0 |
| 18:18.23 | DexterF | abrotman: interactive? |
| 18:18.37 | geo-rge | mmlj4: you could have given a straight answer... are you really surprised no one is helping? |
| 18:18.38 | mmlj4 | Nyle: no, i don't have to recompile anything for a binary kernel |
| 18:19.00 | mmlj4 | geo-rge: i've only given the answer thrice before you asked again |
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| 18:19.18 | Nyle | can't we all just get along |
| 18:19.23 | mmlj4 | again, let me go do the m-a thing |
| 18:19.25 | geo-rge | never mind... fuck you and your attitude |
| 18:19.30 | liable | mmlj4: i suggest you do some homework on how kernel modules and the kernel in general work |
| 18:19.35 | Nyle | geo-rge: chill |
| 18:19.55 | geo-rge | I'm actually pretty calm... he's saying fuck you under his breath anyway |
| 18:19.56 | mmlj4 | liable: i'll do that while downloading ubunto ISOs, thanks |
| 18:20.08 | liable | good. goodbye |
| 18:20.12 | geo-rge | I'm not angry, but he's not helping so fuck him |
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| 18:20.53 | Zygo | ahhh, a flamewar in #debian |
| 18:20.54 | Zygo | Some things never change ;-) |
| 18:21.01 | osmosis | how can I tell what package owns a file on the file system ? |
| 18:21.03 | liable | keeps us young :) |
| 18:21.14 | mick_work | ok, oddly enough, when i do: dpkg-reconfigure xawtv it asks if i want to create /dev/video0 - it doesn't create it though :( |
| 18:21.20 | mmlj4 | osmosis: perhaps apt-cache search $file? |
| 18:21.41 | Zygo | osmosis: dpkg -S file (or install dlocate then use dlocate file) |
| 18:21.45 | geo-rge | I'm just saying what's on my mind, given the language barrier was lifted, it shouldn't be a problem |
| 18:21.47 | Optic | hi, i'm running etch with the nvidia drivers kernel module installed... i'd like to upgrade the drivers. Is there wa way to upgrade just one package beyond etch (nvidia-kernel-sources in this case...) |
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| 18:22.04 | geo-rge | there's no war |
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| 18:22.22 | Luminax | language barrier ? what's that ? |
| 18:22.54 | geo-rge | against fucking swearing and talking about bullshit as bullshit, you know, bitchen stuff like that |
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| 18:23.12 | azeem | mmlj4: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:23.20 | mmlj4 | azeem: etch |
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| 18:23.30 | liable | when was there a language barrier? |
| 18:23.39 | azeem | mmlj4: what does uname -r say? |
| 18:23.46 | geo-rge | evidently before you came :) |
| 18:23.48 | azeem | are you running the old, working kernel again now? |
| 18:23.48 | Zygo | and here I was thinking how much #debian has changed...a few years back you couldn't join #debian without seeing a flamewar already in progress |
| 18:23.49 | Zygo | now it takes about 20 minutes ;-) |
| 18:23.54 | mmlj4 | azeem: thanks for helping, but I'm on it, don't trouble yourself |
| 18:23.59 | liable | geo-rge: when was that? |
| 18:23.59 | azeem | Zygo: stop trolling, please |
| 18:24.24 | azeem | mmlj4: well, if the etch kernels are broken, we would like to know about it |
| 18:24.32 | geo-rge | that's not a troll, it's an observation |
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| 18:24.44 | Nyle | geo-rge: unless he says it... and even if so, it is no reason for you to let go of decency |
| 18:24.46 | liable | azeem: the etch kernels are not, its his view of what is and isnt thats broken |
| 18:25.06 | mmlj4 | i think maybe I just forgot I had to config the driver... it's foggy, but I almost remember having to do this before |
| 18:25.19 | liable | right |
| 18:25.26 | Nyle | Optic: come again...? |
| 18:25.42 | geo-rge | Nyle: I don't think I'll be letting you tell me what to do... so just leave me alone |
| 18:25.58 | Nyle | geo-rge: now its YOUR attitude that sucks. |
| 18:26.03 | Nyle | check it. |
| 18:26.10 | Nyle | Optic: you are trying to get the latest nvidia drivers? |
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| 18:26.20 | geo-rge | see above |
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| 18:26.57 | logyati | hello guys, i compiled my kernel to support bootsplash, and i installed bootsplash and bootsplash-theme-debian... |
| 18:27.07 | logyati | now what should i do to see the bootsplash? |
| 18:27.12 | Nyle | reboo? |
| 18:27.15 | geo-rge | boot? |
| 18:27.19 | logyati | i installed the kernel i compiled with dpkg -i |
| 18:27.24 | logyati | i did and |
| 18:27.29 | logyati | and i didnt see anything |
| 18:27.30 | geo-rge | and then jump in a pool :) |
| 18:27.33 | logyati | lol |
| 18:27.50 | azeem | logyati: I think you might add "splash" to the kernel command line |
| 18:27.51 | logyati | should i enable something in grubs menu.lst? |
| 18:27.56 | azeem | +have to |
| 18:28.00 | azeem | logyati: read the documentation |
| 18:28.13 | Nyle | yup |
| 18:28.14 | logyati | k but how do i select one of those themes i have? |
| 18:28.19 | logyati | where is the docs |
| 18:28.22 | logyati | ??? |
| 18:28.25 | Nyle | edit menu lst and add the kernel boot param 'splash' |
| 18:28.30 | azeem | /usr/share/doc/<package>/ |
| 18:28.34 | en1gma | i am currently running kernel 2.6.22-2-486 i just dloaded and extracted linux-2.6.22.6 and cd into its dir....i was wondering if i do the "kp mantra" line if i needed to do a "make menuconfig --oldconfig" first or if kp mantra takes care of all that |
| 18:28.41 | logyati | damn |
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| 18:28.48 | geo-rge | arent' debian kernels enabling boot splash already? |
| 18:28.57 | the-me | no, why? |
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| 18:29.01 | Nyle | logyati: you can do it on grub command line, don't have to reboot into debian to change it |
| 18:29.11 | Nyle | geo-rge: no |
| 18:29.18 | liable | ohno's en1gma's building kernels again |
| 18:29.30 | en1gma | no trolling please..just the answer :) |
| 18:29.40 | azeem | en1gma: are you running unstable? |
| 18:29.46 | en1gma | sid |
| 18:29.49 | azeem | en1gma: unstable isn't supported here, sorry |
| 18:29.50 | liable | hah |
| 18:29.52 | azeem | ask elsewhere |
| 18:29.55 | en1gma | kp mantra is |
| 18:29.59 | azeem | not for unstable |
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| 18:30.16 | en1gma | on 1 machine i have sid and other is etch |
| 18:30.25 | geo-rge | en1gma: you going to listen this time? :) |
| 18:30.38 | foka | Testing |
| 18:30.45 | liable | not likely |
| 18:30.47 | en1gma | geo-rge i had computer problems and couldnt connect last time so i could listen |
| 18:30.51 | en1gma | no trolling please |
| 18:31.00 | geo-rge | last time we spoke I ran out of time |
| 18:31.06 | en1gma | i couldnt connect man |
| 18:31.08 | en1gma | sorry |
| 18:31.33 | Nyle | sigh |
| 18:31.35 | geo-rge | nono, I mean when you were here, you were doing things ahead of what I (or someone I guess) was saying |
| 18:31.36 | liable | en1gma: you must have built a shitload by now. cant you remember? |
| 18:31.37 | en1gma | you know i had 5 nics in this linux router box and it was messing up (i could only irc in console and it wasnt goiung well) |
| 18:31.52 | en1gma | liable all im asking is a simple Q |
| 18:31.57 | geo-rge | well ok |
| 18:32.01 | en1gma | if you dont want to answer you are welcome not to |
| 18:32.09 | cahoot | no the |
| 18:32.11 | liable | en1gma: you dont need to make oldconfig |
| 18:32.11 | azeem | en1gma: if you run unstable, you're supposed to figure it out by yourself |
| 18:32.12 | cahoot | n |
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| 18:32.19 | logyati | ok i did splash=verbose |
| 18:32.21 | logyati | it works |
| 18:32.27 | logyati | but i dont want verbose |
| 18:32.28 | Nyle | or don't specify that you are using sid ;) |
| 18:32.34 | logyati | what should i put in place of verbose? |
| 18:32.41 | Nyle | j/k |
| 18:32.54 | en1gma | azeem i know the most important part is right here...i never make oldconfig but for some reason i think that causes problems...so i just wanted to make sure |
| 18:33.19 | azeem | logyati: just "splash" I guess |
| 18:33.20 | geo-rge | en1gma: here's my recipe, time tested for more than 10 years |
| 18:33.25 | en1gma | k |
| 18:33.27 | en1gma | i listening |
| 18:33.30 | geo-rge | first, you got a .config? |
| 18:33.38 | en1gma | no i just untarred |
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| 18:33.53 | geo-rge | ok, do you plan to use one that you already mace? |
| 18:33.56 | geo-rge | made |
| 18:34.30 | en1gma | well i have one that i did use before but since it wasnt firstly created y doing an "make oldconfig" i think its continually progressed wrongly |
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| 18:34.47 | logyati | hmm but my splash bar isnt working |
| 18:34.48 | liable | so change it in make menuconfig |
| 18:34.50 | geo-rge | or howbout this: do you plan to use approximately the same config debian uses (which generally modulizes everything in sight) |
| 18:34.53 | en1gma | so im starting fresh and needed to know if i need that --oldconfig from here on out |
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| 18:35.22 | geo-rge | probably not... but normally I run make mrproper right after untarring |
| 18:35.31 | liable | en1gma: there are a shitload of docs on building kernels on the web. go read and learn |
| 18:35.38 | en1gma | i have previously ran make menuconfig and seen options that were not there |
| 18:35.42 | geo-rge | the thing is, this erases lots of stuff including .config |
| 18:35.51 | logyati | azeem, my splash bar isnt working |
| 18:36.01 | logyati | the default theme for etch |
| 18:36.04 | azeem | logyati: I don't know anything else about bootsplash, sorry |
| 18:36.05 | geo-rge | so reason I was asking about that, is you would back up any .config you would have otherwise had |
| 18:36.07 | azeem | I just use splashy |
| 18:36.09 | logyati | that one with an X |
| 18:36.16 | en1gma | make mrproper and make clean i have done in the past but make menuconfig still pulls the .config from /boot |
| 18:36.17 | liable | etch has bootsplash? |
| 18:36.18 | en1gma | or somewhere |
| 18:36.25 | logyati | so anybody here can help me with this? the bootsplash bar isnt working |
| 18:36.29 | logyati | yes |
| 18:36.35 | geo-rge | it does? |
| 18:36.40 | logyati | i compiled my kernel to do it |
| 18:36.49 | geo-rge | then it's been altered by debian |
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| 18:37.15 | en1gma | make menuconfig right now if i run it will pull up the -486 proc in proc selection....cause thats my current kernel...eventhough im running a k7 |
| 18:37.25 | geo-rge | but be that as it may... is that the behavior you want? |
| 18:37.31 | en1gma | even with a make mrproper and make clean |
| 18:37.48 | SpeedyG | hi all, I'd like to limit the bandwidth to a certain machine on my network using a debian router, how can I do this? |
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| 18:38.16 | geo-rge | SpeedyG: there's a kernel module called shaper |
| 18:38.29 | geo-rge | I never got around to using or even figuring it out... |
| 18:38.34 | en1gma | i just gonna go for it |
| 18:39.03 | geo-rge | what are you trying to accomplish at the moment? |
| 18:39.05 | Nazcafan | I can't get to read any file on democracy TV |
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| 18:40.07 | Bracki | Where can I find a guide on backporting? Or rather creating a backport of a package in lenny for etch? |
| 18:40.24 | geo-rge | !simple backport |
| 18:40.32 | geo-rge | !simple sid backport |
| 18:40.32 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
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| 18:40.42 | geo-rge | you can try those instructions |
| 18:40.49 | geo-rge | maybe it work maybe not |
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| 18:40.58 | geo-rge | but it's absolutely worth a tryu |
| 18:41.35 | geo-rge | so you're making a deb-src line for lenny |
| 18:41.39 | geo-rge | not sid tho |
| 18:46.46 | liable | hehe, i opened kcore in mc and swapped out like crazy |
| 18:46.52 | liable | accidently |
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| 18:48.57 | liable | en1gma: out of interest, do you have a /proc/config.gz file? |
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| 18:49.05 | simonrvn | liable: i've done that more than once heheh, always ended up killing mc, "thinking argh i'll try to be more patient when opening it" but i end up killing it instead |
| 18:49.31 | en1gma | let me check...im sure its there cause the kernel im running was from sid |
| 18:49.38 | en1gma | and they usually have it in |
| 18:49.52 | liable | simonrvn: now kcore is 1000M :) |
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| 18:50.03 | liable | i dunno how good that can be.. |
| 18:50.31 | en1gma | dont look like it |
| 18:50.35 | simonrvn | yikes |
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| 18:51.03 | simonrvn | i tried it once on a 512 mb kcore O_O |
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| 18:53.46 | Bracki | geo-rge: thx. works like a charm... |
| 18:54.00 | liable | god i am an idiot. i just cat'ed it on my othe box instead of ls |
| 18:54.26 | en1gma | what is dpkg trigger for the-debian-way |
| 18:54.28 | liable | now my ssh term has gone bananas |
| 18:54.33 | DustyBin | what is selinux? what is its purpose? |
| 18:54.37 | Tobsn | anyone an idea how to edit mp3s? i want to make a short mp3 5 minutes long... |
| 18:54.38 | abrotman | !selinux |
| 18:54.38 | dpkg | [selinux] NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 |
| 18:55.07 | en1gma | !the-debian-way |
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| 18:55.42 | en1gma | !thedbianway |
| 18:55.44 | dkr | Tobsn: audacity perhaps |
| 18:55.47 | abrotman | en1gma: msg the fucking bot |
| 18:55.48 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 18:55.56 | Havis_ | !thedebianway |
| 18:55.58 | Tobsn | or merge the same mp3 a few times together... would also work |
| 18:56.04 | abrotman | Tobsn: audacity is a great way |
| 18:56.11 | remi____ | I have the choice between the Cisco Aironet Wireless mini pci and the Intel ipw 2200 minipci wireless card. Wich one should i choose ? |
| 18:56.16 | en1gma | abortman you want to see how many times i message the fucking bot? if you dont know the damn command how do you do it |
| 18:56.18 | en1gma | sheehs |
| 18:56.23 | Tobsn | is it also command line? |
| 18:56.27 | abrotman | en1gma: sure i do .. i'm just not telling you |
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| 18:56.33 | abrotman | remi____: do you know the chipset for the aironet card? |
| 18:56.34 | dkr | I concataneate all the movements of my classical mp3s so i can random shuffle my whoel colelction but still get classical pieces in the correct orde |
| 18:56.42 | en1gma | i tried like 20 different ways and none worked |
| 18:57.12 | dkr | there is a way to search the factoids, I think |
| 18:57.33 | abrotman | multiple |
| 18:58.06 | geo-rge | the very last way, what was that |
| 18:58.18 | geo-rge | remember we can't see your screen |
| 18:58.29 | en1gma | i trying but i must not be getting it right |
| 18:58.30 | Bracki | geo-rge: will this setup alert me when a new source package is available? |
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| 18:58.32 | jelly-home | en1gma: use /msg dpkg listkeys XXX to search for factoid names and listvalues to search for the contents |
| 18:58.39 | en1gma | ok thanks |
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| 18:59.20 | Tobsn | oh btw.: http://www.compuphase.com/mp3/mp3loops.htm |
| 18:59.21 | simonrvn | @fuck adobe |
| 18:59.59 | remi____ | abrotman, yes, it's a cisco one, i have it running on a linux, but i can't tell you wich module is used. Both of these cards are running, but i have to choose one of them and i can't go back |
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| 19:00.30 | sohmestra | what's the difference between linux-image-xen and linux-image-xen-vserver? |
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| 19:01.11 | jelly-home | sohmestra: additional linux-vserver support in the latter? |
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| 19:01.25 | amrit|wrk | hi.. how do i get my netinstalled debian to stop asking for the netinst cd when i want to install packages? for example, "apt-get apache2" asks me to insert the cd. should it just hit the official repos automatically? |
| 19:01.31 | geo-rge | I thought xen was that support |
| 19:01.54 | jelly-home | I thought apt-cache show <package> could be used to show package description... |
| 19:02.10 | abrotman | remi____: /msg dpkg ipw2200 .. for the latter |
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| 19:02.19 | abrotman | amrit|wrk: comment out that line in the sources |
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| 19:02.37 | sohmestra | jelly-home: you'd think so, but the description is hardly descriptive. |
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| 19:02.47 | deimos_ | hi |
| 19:02.56 | Nyle | kinky |
| 19:03.10 | Nyle | phobos |
| 19:03.14 | geo-rge | is there some docs that show what's which with weckl? |
| 19:03.15 | jelly-home | sohmestra: :-) that doesn't surprise me for some reason |
| 19:03.29 | jelly-home | !vserver |
| 19:03.29 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
| 19:03.35 | Nyle | rahul: you here or there? |
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| 19:03.41 | amrit|wrk | abrotman: well, that was simple.. thanks :) |
| 19:03.42 | jelly-home | vserver is a glorified chroot. |
| 19:03.48 | rahul | yes |
| 19:03.53 | Nyle | msg |
| 19:03.58 | abrotman | amrit|wrk: oh .. then run aptitude update :) |
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| 19:04.03 | deimos_ | in which file can i add a global (for all user) variable environment ? |
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| 19:04.08 | jelly-home | comparable to BSD's jail or Solaris' ... er... what was their name? |
| 19:04.16 | sohmestra | jelly-home: thanks ;o) |
| 19:04.24 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:04.36 | sohmestra | solaris zones. |
| 19:04.40 | jelly-home | right, thanks |
| 19:04.53 | naitram | trying to use tar, how do you use the exclude switch. Want to exclude directorys .svn, .m4 etc... |
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| 19:05.10 | amrit|wrk | abrotman: heh! so there's dpkg, which has a higher level util in apt-*, and then above that is aptitude? |
| 19:05.13 | en1gma | alright i cant seam to find it with "/msg dpkg listkeys XXX to search for factoid names" can someone just tell me what to put for the /msg dpkg the debian way thing? |
| 19:05.18 | en1gma | ive searched google too |
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| 19:05.53 | liable | en1gma: debian way for what? |
| 19:05.54 | geo-rge | en1gma: so what are you trying to do atm |
| 19:05.55 | jelly-home | dpkg, vserver is also comparable to bsd jail or solaris' zones |
| 19:05.55 | dpkg | okay, jelly-home |
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| 19:06.31 | en1gma | liable when i run the kp mantra the commands its trying to do cant be done cause the packages arent installed |
| 19:06.42 | en1gma | such as make-kpkg and many more |
| 19:06.43 | remi____ | abrotman, maybe this one for the Cisco wireless card : http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Thinkpad-T30-X30-R40-Wireless-Mini-PCI-WiFi-Cisco_W0QQitemZ180157869550QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 19:06.56 | en1gma | the-debian-way has that info |
| 19:06.59 | geo-rge | try this apt-get install build-essential |
| 19:07.00 | SpeedyG | anyone here know where I can find if my kernel has CONFIG_NETLINK and CONFIG_NETLINK_DEV support ? |
| 19:07.10 | en1gma | build-essential is installed already |
| 19:07.29 | jelly-home | !test |
| 19:07.29 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 19:07.35 | geo-rge | SpeedyG: do you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 19:07.38 | en1gma | and libcurses-dev which should be part of build-essential imho |
| 19:07.40 | SpeedyG | geo-rge: yes |
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| 19:07.52 | deimos_ | geo-rge, yes but i've tried to add PATH="${JAVA_HOME}/bin:${PATH}" to /etc/environment, and it doesn't work |
| 19:07.55 | en1gma | you cant go into make menuconfig without it |
| 19:08.17 | en1gma | from console anyhow |
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| 19:08.19 | liable | libncures5-dev |
| 19:08.25 | geo-rge | SpeedyG: do you use kernel-package to build the kernel image packages? |
| 19:08.27 | liable | libncurses5-dev |
| 19:08.45 | en1gma | apt-get install libncurses-dev install what you put |
| 19:08.46 | SpeedyG | geo-rge: yup |
| 19:08.56 | amrit|wrk | anyway, thanks.. later |
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| 19:08.59 | geo-rge | ok, what's your uname -r |
| 19:09.18 | en1gma | 2.6.22-2-486 |
| 19:09.27 | geo-rge | is that the kernel you built? |
| 19:09.30 | en1gma | yes |
| 19:09.39 | SpeedyG | geo-rge: 2.6.17-2 |
| 19:09.48 | en1gma | i already did 'make oldconfig' and answered the questions it wanted |
| 19:10.05 | geo-rge | ok, is there a file in /boot called Config-2.6.17-2 |
| 19:10.11 | SpeedyG | yup |
| 19:10.16 | en1gma | no thats not the kernel i built its the kernel that came with sid...but just realised thats not to me |
| 19:10.19 | geo-rge | ok, look at that file |
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| 19:10.33 | geo-rge | or grep for those symbols you're wondering about |
| 19:10.36 | Eulex | en1gma, you _can_ build stuff in general with just build-essential, and you _can_ build kernel images with just it. you can't just do a make menuconfig. |
| 19:10.37 | SpeedyG | hm, not found :( |
| 19:11.21 | geo-rge | SpeedyG: so maybe the answer is no |
| 19:11.32 | SpeedyG | I have however, CONFIG_NETFILTER_NETLINK |
| 19:11.40 | SpeedyG | but dunno if thats the same, guess not |
| 19:11.46 | SpeedyG | I need it for iproute |
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| 19:12.09 | geo-rge | that's not in debian kernels? |
| 19:12.54 | SpeedyG | dont know |
| 19:13.07 | SpeedyG | ive got this box running since 2.6.17 was just released ;) |
| 19:13.16 | geo-rge | en1gma, so 2.6.22-2-486 is what came with sid... what kernel are you running now? that one? |
| 19:13.17 | xingu | jelly-home: correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that vserver has mm contexts; solaris zones does, afaik. |
| 19:13.26 | SpeedyG | and i've never been doing anything with it since compiling that kernel |
| 19:13.28 | Eulex | SpeedyG, CONFIG_NETFILTER_NETLINK=m for 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 19:13.38 | en1gma | i thought there was a "debian one-liner" |
| 19:14.03 | SpeedyG | Eulex: you mean config_netfilter_netlink has replaced config_netlink since 2.6.18 ? |
| 19:14.29 | osmosis | what package owns /usr/bin/man ? |
| 19:14.37 | jelly-home | xingu: I've never actually tried using them O;-) |
| 19:14.41 | geo-rge | I think he's just saying that is in that debian kernel binary |
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| 19:14.50 | Eulex | SpeedyG, I have no idea, but for the 2.6.18-4-686 kernel image in debian, CONFIG_NETFILTER_NETLINK=m. |
| 19:14.56 | SpeedyG | ah ok |
| 19:15.06 | SpeedyG | in that case, i'm kinda happy :) |
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| 19:15.11 | SpeedyG | and just gonna try it ;) |
| 19:15.14 | loquitus_of_borg | What would recommend as the "Best" bug tracking software in PHP? |
| 19:15.21 | jelly-home | xingu: and more important, what are "mm contexts" |
| 19:15.31 | hark | osmosis: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:15.37 | geo-rge | what's the best bug? |
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| 19:15.45 | Eulex | SpeedyG, that is, it's built as a module, if you didn't figure out that |
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| 19:16.43 | liable | !tell en1gma -about kernel compile |
| 19:16.44 | en1gma | i feel like im hacking /msg dpkg |
| 19:16.59 | xingu | jelly-home: I think zones has cpu scheduling contexts too. |
| 19:17.04 | sls_181 | where ist the german debian channel ? ^^ |
| 19:17.06 | en1gma | liable I LOVE YOU |
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| 19:17.13 | Ronin | !de |
| 19:17.13 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 19:17.19 | sls_181 | thx |
| 19:18.03 | deimos_ | where can i change the PATH environment variable for all user =( ? |
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| 19:19.59 | Braindead | deimos_: /etc/profile |
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| 19:20.58 | jelly-home | xingu: uh, I think I've mixed up vserver and OpenVZ |
| 19:21.00 | deimos_ | Braindead, i've tried, it doesn't work =\ |
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| 19:22.42 | Braindead | dpkg: doesn't work |
| 19:22.42 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 19:23.12 | mofino | is it possible to build packages for sarge on an etch machine? |
| 19:23.19 | xingu | jelly-home: maybe; "linux containers" is pushing in a very similar direction to zones; it's a tad difficult to find a good link on it other than the mailing list though. |
| 19:23.46 | mofino | hahaha "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" |
| 19:23.48 | mofino | nice |
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| 19:26.02 | deimos_ | Braindead, when i change in /etc/profile the line PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games" for root and user, it makes nothing :| |
| 19:26.14 | deimos_ | env | grep -i path return not the new path variable |
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| 19:27.11 | abrotman | remi____: still need the chipset |
| 19:27.13 | abrotman | !wireless |
| 19:27.14 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <rtl-wifi> for Linksys WPC11 or Netgear WG111v2. /usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan |
| 19:27.38 | geo-rge | deimos_: perhaps you need to find out HOW that file needs to be formatted |
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| 19:29.18 | xingu | jelly-home: aah, it's a layering thing; "linux containers" is the push to get all the major subsystems containerised ie using context tags (zoneid, whatever) to wrapperise all resource allocation/ management |
| 19:29.32 | xingu | jelly-home: openvz is a user of containerised subsystems and so is vserver |
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| 19:29.50 | geo-rge | containeritis... |
| 19:30.08 | remi____ | abrotman, http://www.packetpro.com/thinkpad_t30.html on wireless section |
| 19:30.32 | remi____ | abrotman, Cisco's mpi350 module/driver |
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| 19:32.10 | xingu | jelly-home: here's a good flamewar http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/2/20/192 |
| 19:32.11 | p1ls | Hey guys |
| 19:32.16 | p1ls | i just installed a debian |
| 19:32.20 | p1ls | from netinstall cd |
| 19:32.29 | p1ls | and i cant connect to the internet, im using dhcp |
| 19:33.01 | liable | p1ls: did it work during install? |
| 19:33.07 | p1ls | no |
| 19:33.19 | liable | p1ls: did it detect the card at all? |
| 19:33.31 | jelly-home | xingu: nice. I'm taking a look at a recent CFS/RFS/scheduler flame at the moment tho |
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| 19:33.51 | geo-rge | p1ls: so, did it reboot, and did that reboot produce a login prompt |
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| 19:33.59 | p1ls | yes |
| 19:34.06 | p1ls | and it said cannot start a network |
| 19:34.19 | geo-rge | login as root |
| 19:34.22 | p1ls | yup |
| 19:34.25 | geo-rge | type ifconfig -a |
| 19:34.34 | p1ls | k wait, |
| 19:34.36 | geo-rge | any output? |
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| 19:34.45 | p1ls | yea |
| 19:34.50 | p1ls | eht0, and lo |
| 19:34.51 | geo-rge | paragraphs? |
| 19:34.53 | geo-rge | ok |
| 19:35.00 | geo-rge | ifconfig without the -a |
| 19:35.10 | geo-rge | which paragraphs remain?\ |
| 19:35.17 | p1ls | lo |
| 19:35.18 | liable | p1ls: do you know what your routers ip is? |
| 19:35.21 | geo-rge | ok |
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| 19:35.48 | p1ls | yes, i can get it |
| 19:35.49 | grothesk | Hi! |
| 19:35.55 | liable | p1ls: try ifconfig eth0 up |
| 19:36.00 | geo-rge | grep ^auto /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:36.05 | liable | p1ls: dhclient eth0 |
| 19:36.07 | geo-rge | how many lines? |
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| 19:36.26 | remi____ | abrotman, do you need something else ? |
| 19:36.30 | grothesk | How do I setup a wifi (eth1) in order to login during boot? |
| 19:36.47 | p1ls | one line : auto lo |
| 19:36.56 | grothesk | static ips, no encryption now. |
| 19:37.04 | geo-rge | ok, try: ifup eth0 |
| 19:37.07 | tarzeau | is there any sponsor that feels like sponsoring an rc bugfix upload? |
| 19:37.18 | p1ls | uknown interface |
| 19:37.28 | p1ls | liable : didnt work |
| 19:37.32 | geo-rge | are you sure you got the name right? |
| 19:37.44 | p1ls | what name |
| 19:37.48 | geo-rge | eth0 |
| 19:37.51 | p1ls | yes |
| 19:37.53 | Optic | what's the right way to upgrade a couple packages beyond etch without moving to unstable? I want the new nvidia drivers...? |
| 19:37.54 | geo-rge | ok |
| 19:37.56 | abrotman | remi____: i'd personally go with ipw2200 .. but it's up to you .. (and the cisco driver should work pretty well with the cisco vpn if you need that) |
| 19:38.00 | p1ls | uknow interface eht0=eth0 |
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| 19:38.16 | geo-rge | eht0? |
| 19:38.18 | remi____ | abrotman, okay |
| 19:38.38 | p1ls | eth0 srry |
| 19:38.40 | grothesk | p1ls: You are missing an entry in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:38.41 | geo-rge | let's figure that part out, where's the typo |
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| 19:38.58 | p1ls | eht0=eth0 - FOR SURExD |
| 19:39.04 | streuner | tarzeau: ECHAN? |
| 19:39.07 | p1ls | wait |
| 19:39.17 | p1ls | fuck, eht0=eht0 |
| 19:39.19 | p1ls | thats for sure |
| 19:39.27 | tarzeau | streuner: which one would you suggest instead? (which network)? |
| 19:39.29 | geo-rge | umm :) |
| 19:39.46 | streuner | tarzeau: prolly d-d (OFTC)? |
| 19:39.47 | geo-rge | ok, so I'm stuck on this typo still |
| 19:40.01 | p1ls | it says, unknow interfaces eht0 = eht0 |
| 19:40.08 | tarzeau | streuner: i've never seen someone in there asking for a sponsoring there |
| 19:40.22 | tarzeau | streuner: d-d is the debian developer channel, they can all sponsor themselves |
| 19:40.22 | geo-rge | did you type ifup eth0 or ifup eht0 |
| 19:40.31 | grothesk | p1ls: Please have a look at your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:40.34 | geo-rge | the first one is the right spelling |
| 19:40.42 | p1ls | oo, shit i typed it wrong |
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| 19:40.46 | streuner | tarzeau: so you have a good chance to fine one ;-) |
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| 19:40.58 | p1ls | ok i typed now ifup eth0 and it says uknown interfaces eth0=etho0 |
| 19:40.58 | geo-rge | grothesk: he's at least missing auto eth0 |
| 19:41.05 | tarzeau | streuner: i'd rather just find one than fine one :) |
| 19:41.06 | grothesk | Seems so. |
| 19:41.14 | Skyrail | Are there any repos for more up-to-date programs for Debian? |
| 19:41.25 | tarzeau | streuner: i know some dd people hang around here as well, so it was just a try |
| 19:41.32 | tarzeau | Skyrail: sure, many |
| 19:41.34 | grothesk | Anyone knows how to auto-join a Wifi-Network during boot? |
| 19:41.42 | tarzeau | Skyrail: but they are not official. what are you looking for? |
| 19:41.50 | geo-rge | p1ls: ok, the file /etc/network/interfaces is a collection of your network interfaces and lets you set it up |
| 19:42.03 | tarzeau | Skyrail: you can become a debian developer then sponsor uploads of newer programs? |
| 19:42.14 | geo-rge | grep ^iface /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:42.21 | geo-rge | how many lines? |
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| 19:42.32 | Skyrail | tarzeau: just general programs that are more up-to-date, I couldn't name any off the top of my head, I just know that there are certain programs that've I've got before but can't get now using apt, but I know that's because of the repos |
| 19:42.47 | tarzeau | Skyrail: are you using etch (aka stable)? |
| 19:42.53 | Skyrail | I'm not a developer, if only heh, yes I am |
| 19:43.04 | grothesk | Skyrail: Then debian might not be the distribution for you. |
| 19:43.18 | tarzeau | Skyrail: etch won't get newer programs. only more stable ones (those fixing security bugs) |
| 19:43.26 | tarzeau | grothesk: oh i wouln't say it like that |
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| 19:43.45 | Skyrail | Right, so I've wasted my time installing it, using it for over a month and making it look how I want? |
| 19:43.47 | tarzeau | Skyrail: you don't need to be a developer to become a debian devel, you just need to answer about 100 questions: http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint |
| 19:43.57 | streuner | tarzeau: argh, i catched a cold, pretty sick... |
| 19:44.03 | geo-rge | Skyrail: do you like it? |
| 19:44.06 | Skyrail | tarzeau: ok :) |
| 19:44.12 | tarzeau | streuner: go to bed, sweat, drink tea and sleep a lot! |
| 19:44.17 | Skyrail | Yeh, I prefer Debian over the other Distros I've tried :) |
| 19:44.26 | p1ls | geo-rge : 1 line |
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| 19:44.32 | tarzeau | Skyrail: no wonder, i've hardly seen anyone saying something else about it |
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| 19:44.41 | geo-rge | p1lsL iface lo ...? |
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| 19:44.45 | p1ls | geo-rge : 1 line, iface lo inet loopback |
| 19:44.49 | geo-rge | ok |
| 19:44.56 | Skyrail | tarzeau: =) |
| 19:45.03 | geo-rge | what's your eth0 connected to? |
| 19:45.11 | p1ls | router? |
| 19:45.18 | geo-rge | ok |
| 19:45.30 | geo-rge | does your router do dhcp? |
| 19:45.33 | p1ls | yes |
| 19:45.35 | geo-rge | ok |
| 19:45.55 | geo-rge | try: nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:46.04 | geo-rge | and add these three lines: |
| 19:46.11 | Skyrail | tarzeau: I presume becoming a Debian-devel will help me give something back, however little? |
| 19:46.19 | liable | just try with ifconfig first |
| 19:46.27 | geo-rge | # hand-add eth0 |
| 19:46.28 | tarzeau | Skyrail: you can give back without becoming a debian-devel |
| 19:46.36 | geo-rge | auto eth0 |
| 19:46.44 | geo-rge | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 19:46.55 | Siddharta | hello everybody |
| 19:47.11 | tarzeau | Siddharta: did you read other books of him? |
| 19:47.18 | Skyrail | tarzeau: I don't know how though, linux is something I've used over a year now and I don't like using it just as a tool, I want to give something back somehow >_> |
| 19:47.25 | grothesk | http://phpfi.com/262701 Again: I want to auto-login during boottime into my Wifi-Network. What might be wrong with that setup? |
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| 19:47.34 | tarzeau | Skyrail: and which software would you like to give back? |
| 19:47.44 | tarzeau | Skyrail: there's so much possibilities in how youc an give back... |
| 19:47.57 | tarzeau | Skyrail: translations, improvements in specific programs, levels for games... |
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| 19:48.35 | Thurin1 | Hi, I would like to enquire... Is there any 'good' documents as to how an individual would go about installing 'Sun' Java on Debian? - I tried some of the free alternatives (OS I suppose) but they seem to be 1.4, and the programs I wish to run require a JRE versioned 1.5 --- any links? |
| 19:48.52 | Skyrail | mhmm, I'm not sure I'll be suited for any of this heh, I'll be looking around though to se what I can do. Maybe help write doc's for programs and such |
| 19:49.18 | p1ls | ok |
| 19:49.23 | p1ls | geo- so what now |
| 19:49.25 | p1ls | xD |
| 19:49.28 | geo-rge | plls: we're just editing a file |
| 19:49.32 | tarzeau | Thurin1: http://packages.debian.org/sun-java5-jre ? |
| 19:49.35 | grothesk | http://phpfi.com/262701 Again: I want to auto-login during boottime into my Wifi-Network. What might be wrong with that setup? |
| 19:49.36 | Siddharta | i really need your help , that is the first time my laptop turns off for a high temperature problem, the message displayed so quickly that i didn't have time to remember it, so do you know where can i find this message in log in order to google around a check if i can tune my debian to manage fan in my laptop |
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| 19:49.38 | geo-rge | there's no error thing yet |
| 19:49.40 | Thurin1 | tarzeau, He who gives the world a game gives the world joy, unless that game sucks.. at that point the world wish'es for your skin :P |
| 19:49.44 | tarzeau | Thurin1: just apt-get install sun-java5-jre ? |
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| 19:49.55 | Thurin1 | tarzeau, That easy? Your kidding ? |
| 19:49.56 | Thurin1 | :) |
| 19:49.59 | Thurin1 | Thanks! |
| 19:50.01 | Thurin1 | ... |
| 19:50.16 | liable | you need non-free |
| 19:50.25 | tarzeau | Siddharta: do you have an ac near? |
| 19:50.28 | Thurin1 | I thought it was harder on Debian due to it's strict rules regarding 'free' software, for instance.. Ice-Weasel etc |
| 19:50.35 | Thurin1 | liable, Ahh. |
| 19:50.42 | tarzeau | Siddharta: i've once cooled a computer with one, and yes it worked... :) |
| 19:50.43 | Thurin1 | liable and do you know what I would add to my sources list? |
| 19:50.45 | Siddharta | tarzeau, ac ?? |
| 19:50.48 | geo-rge | plls: so you must have some other way to connect to the internet... a different machine and a different router somehow |
| 19:50.59 | liable | Thurin1: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 19:51.07 | Thurin1 | liable, Thank you. |
| 19:51.13 | liable | np |
| 19:51.19 | tarzeau | Siddharta: air conditioner |
| 19:51.24 | p1ls | ;-/ |
| 19:51.32 | p1ls | so what should i do when i use dhcp connection |
| 19:51.37 | grothesk | http://phpfi.com/262701 Again: I want to auto-login during boottime into my Wifi-Network. What might be wrong with that setup? |
| 19:51.49 | geo-rge | what machine are you connecting here on? |
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| 19:52.01 | tarzeau | Siddharta: what laptop is it? |
| 19:52.01 | fastputty | someoen got an idea why /etc/crontab doesn work anymore |
| 19:52.04 | Siddharta | no i put it in the frigerator for a wile in a plastic bag |
| 19:52.15 | p1ls | standart pc |
| 19:52.15 | tarzeau | Siddharta: i've seen people replace regulated fans with static speed fans |
| 19:52.16 | grothesk | geo-rge: Do you talk with me? |
| 19:52.18 | Skyrail | tarzeau: applying to be a Debian-devel is a bit over my head at the moment I think, I'll just keep low and use it how I have been doing for a while |
| 19:52.26 | tarzeau | Siddharta: you're serious, right? |
| 19:52.27 | Siddharta | it is a lenovo |
| 19:52.34 | Siddharta | yes |
| 19:52.40 | tarzeau | Siddharta: photos? |
| 19:52.47 | Siddharta | in 20 minutes it was cold |
| 19:52.48 | fastputty | crontab file in the etc doesnt work, someone could help me |
| 19:52.53 | geo-rge | plls: if you have many machines it's going to help me to know which is which and exactly how it's connected |
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| 19:52.58 | p1ls | ok |
| 19:53.01 | tarzeau | Siddharta: like 5 degrees C? |
| 19:53.04 | liable | p1ls: did you edit the file? |
| 19:53.07 | p1ls | i got a router and all of them are connected throu cables |
| 19:53.08 | tarzeau | Skyrail: that's fine :) |
| 19:53.19 | Skyrail | :) |
| 19:53.19 | p1ls | liable, the cable wasnt connected, it is now |
| 19:53.20 | Siddharta | yes 6°C |
| 19:53.25 | tarzeau | Skyrail: rly i was kidding about the dd thing :) |
| 19:53.40 | liable | p1ls: ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient eth0 |
| 19:53.41 | Skyrail | tarzeau: I fell for it :P |
| 19:53.56 | tarzeau | Siddharta: i'm not sure fast temperature changes to the hardware is good |
| 19:54.10 | Siddharta | putting a more than 35°C in a 6°C fridge for 20 min doest make your machine at 6°C |
| 19:54.32 | tarzeau | Siddharta: maybe he's got a special turbo fridge? |
| 19:54.35 | p1ls | ifconfig eth0 up, no response |
| 19:54.41 | rahul | tarzeau: they have those |
| 19:54.41 | Siddharta | because of heat dissipation which increase the temperature of the fridge |
| 19:54.42 | geo-rge | good... |
| 19:54.43 | rahul | for food |
| 19:54.44 | liable | thats ok |
| 19:54.48 | tarzeau | rahul: i know |
| 19:54.58 | rahul | basically only the food industry uses them |
| 19:54.59 | geo-rge | now dhclient eth0 |
| 19:54.59 | p1ls | dhclient eth0, somethin is loading |
| 19:55.08 | DexterF | a 35°C tronics component in a 6°C fridge will produce moisture first of all |
| 19:55.14 | tarzeau | rahul: labours use some other stuff to cool stuff down to near 0 K |
| 19:55.16 | geo-rge | it's talking to your rouyter hopefully |
| 19:55.16 | p1ls | it settin up something |
| 19:55.30 | rahul | tarzeau: well, that's differnet :) |
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| 19:56.02 | p1ls | No workin lease, sleeping |
| 19:56.09 | xingu | jelly-home: it looks like RFS and CFS are converging in approach anyway |
| 19:56.19 | streuner | ;-) |
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| 19:56.22 | Siddharta | tarzeau, well now i know i can not let my laptop working more than 5 days without shutting it down |
| 19:56.23 | p1ls | No DHCP revieed |
| 19:56.40 | tarzeau | Siddharta: it's very new? |
| 19:56.42 | DexterF | I'm at installing vmware6 which wants headers at /usr/src/linux/include. what package do I need here? |
| 19:56.53 | geo-rge | p1ls: try again |
| 19:56.55 | Siddharta | tarzeau, but i need to find the massage it display in order to google it and find how can i tune my fan |
| 19:57.00 | liable | p1ls: is the light on the card on? |
| 19:57.16 | Siddharta | tarzeau, neaarly one year |
| 19:57.18 | p1ls | what card? |
| 19:57.18 | tarzeau | Siddharta: why not search google for fan control and maybe youre laptop model name and linux? |
| 19:57.25 | liable | p1ls: the ethernet |
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| 19:57.32 | p1ls | yes |
| 19:57.34 | p1ls | Router Address: 192.168.1.254 |
| 19:57.34 | p1ls | Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0 |
| 19:57.34 | p1ls | DHCP Range: 192.168.1.64 - 192.168.1.253 |
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| 19:57.43 | p1ls | sorry, |
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| 19:58.00 | p1ls | that my router settings |
| 19:58.07 | grothesk | http://phpfi.com/262701 Again: I want to auto-login during boottime into my Wifi-Network. What might be wrong with that setup? |
| 19:58.08 | geo-rge | seems ok |
| 19:58.30 | geo-rge | are there lights on the router? |
| 19:58.35 | p1ls | yes |
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| 19:58.36 | p1ls | all green |
| 19:58.41 | p1ls | thats why im connection to irc now |
| 19:58.46 | liable | p1ls: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.63 up; route add -net default gw 192.168.1.254 dev eth0 |
| 19:59.02 | p1ls | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.21 | liable | then try and ping the router |
| 19:59.36 | fastputty | someone know why my crontab stop working? |
| 19:59.46 | geo-rge | time stopped? |
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| 20:00.07 | fastputty | no time works perfectly |
| 20:00.08 | geo-rge | hmm, funny, I don't feel any different... |
| 20:00.14 | fastputty | i even have a ntpupdate client |
| 20:00.18 | p1ls | ok, gonna check ur command |
| 20:00.41 | fastputty | someone help me? |
| 20:00.45 | grothesk | -_- |
| 20:00.46 | grothesk | http://phpfi.com/262701 Again: I want to auto-login during boottime into my Wifi-Network. What might be wrong with that setup? |
| 20:00.51 | fastputty | check my command? |
| 20:00.54 | fastputty | are you talking to me? |
| 20:01.06 | gkiagia | fastputty: maybe the cron daemon stopped? |
| 20:01.11 | geo-rge | he's trying to get his net set up |
| 20:01.13 | grothesk | Too much traffic here. |
| 20:01.18 | p1ls | nope |
| 20:01.28 | fastputty | gkiagia: stuff in crontab -e works but not /etc/crontab file |
| 20:01.31 | geo-rge | what do you mean? |
| 20:01.37 | Optic | bleh |
| 20:01.41 | Optic | well i can't figure out what i have to do |
| 20:01.47 | Optic | maybe i'll just use the nvidia installer? |
| 20:02.04 | ]pablo[ | ? |
| 20:02.07 | p1ls | i rember that when i had ubunut it worked the net |
| 20:02.17 | Optic | i'm trying to upgrade the nvidia driver on etch |
| 20:02.20 | geo-rge | p1ls: route del default |
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| 20:02.25 | Optic | i installed it "properly" with the m-a method |
| 20:02.28 | ]pablo[ | i use nvidia installer bc i like 3d support |
| 20:02.30 | geo-rge | plls: ifconfig eth0 down |
| 20:02.43 | geo-rge | plls: ifup eth0 |
| 20:02.47 | Optic | apparently using the nvidia installer is the wrong way |
| 20:02.54 | ]pablo[ | well, it's the non-free way |
| 20:03.01 | ]pablo[ | but it's the only way if you want 3d acceleration |
| 20:03.09 | ]pablo[ | i use it for compiz-fusion basically |
| 20:03.19 | ]pablo[ | no other reason since i don't play games in my computer |
| 20:03.21 | Optic | well there's the nvidia-glx packages and such |
| 20:03.24 | p1ls | no interfaces eth0 eth0 |
| 20:03.26 | Optic | that i think you're supposed to use |
| 20:03.47 | ]pablo[ | that's not 3d acceleration as far as i know |
| 20:03.48 | geo-rge | did you add the lines to the file before? |
| 20:04.01 | geo-rge | grep ^iface /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:04.11 | Skyrail | tarzeau: back to my original question...I can't run newer programs on stable etch then? |
| 20:04.41 | geo-rge | Skyrail: not unless you compile them yourself |
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| 20:04.54 | liable | backports |
| 20:04.57 | geo-rge | or you succeed at backporting it |
| 20:04.59 | p1ls | iface lo inet looppack |
| 20:05.06 | geo-rge | thats all? |
| 20:05.19 | tarzeau | Skyrail: yes you can |
| 20:05.26 | liable | geo-rge: if it didnt work with dhclient, it wont work from interfaces |
| 20:05.27 | tarzeau | Skyrail: what liable says is one possiblity |
| 20:05.43 | Siddharta | tarzeau, ls /proc/acpi/fan displays nothing |
| 20:05.46 | tarzeau | Skyrail: nobody can hinder you to make newer packages, or install software whereever you desire to |
| 20:05.53 | p1ls | yea |
| 20:05.57 | geo-rge | so you didn't add the lines |
| 20:05.59 | tarzeau | Skyrail: besides debian has some different archives with newer versions *hint* |
| 20:06.10 | Skyrail | Ok, backports, I'll google it :) thanks for the point in the right direction |
| 20:06.12 | geo-rge | let;s try that ths time |
| 20:06.16 | tarzeau | Siddharta: no idea sorry. i'm an apple laptop fan |
| 20:06.17 | azeem | tarzeau: nobody can hinder them, but we can at least recommend against |
| 20:06.33 | geo-rge | liable, I understand that |
| 20:06.36 | tarzeau | azeem: i have done neither. i only wanted to mention it, since he kinda asked for it |
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| 20:06.53 | tarzeau | azeem: i think a neutral way like that is ok, in here, am i wrong? |
| 20:07.06 | liable | always! |
| 20:07.07 | geo-rge | liable, there's selective listening going on, so gotta be extra careful |
| 20:07.23 | Skyrail | Is there something I need to know before I bork something or make a complete fool of myself, again |
| 20:07.47 | tarzeau | Skyrail: yes, if you install software on your own, you could replace files of a package, ending with a complete mess |
| 20:07.51 | p1ls | so what should do i |
| 20:07.57 | liable | geo-rge: yep, get him to change his cable too, and double check its not a firewire iface thats eth0, /me -> bed in 5 |
| 20:08.12 | geo-rge | good point |
| 20:08.13 | tarzeau | Skyrail: the other way is possible too. a package could replace files installed by you |
| 20:08.27 | geo-rge | plls: what happens when you do ifconfig eth1 |
| 20:08.35 | geo-rge | paragraph? error? |
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| 20:08.50 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 20:08.51 | p1ls | error not found |
| 20:08.58 | geo-rge | ok |
| 20:09.06 | Skyrail | tarzeau: mhmm, I see what you mean |
| 20:09.12 | ribnitz | Is there a way to find out how many pages a ps document has, without printing it? |
| 20:09.21 | Skyrail | Maybe I should install a different OS on my other partition :/ |
| 20:09.53 | geo-rge | p1ls: ok, here's what you're going to do |
| 20:10.01 | p1ls | ok boss |
| 20:10.05 | geo-rge | cd /etc/network |
| 20:10.19 | p1ls | k |
| 20:10.21 | geo-rge | cp interfaces interfaces-common |
| 20:10.44 | p1ls | k |
| 20:10.56 | geo-rge | cat > interfaces-dhcp |
| 20:11.15 | geo-rge | # dhcp stanza |
| 20:11.36 | geo-rge | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:11.48 | geo-rge | (then hit ctrl-d) |
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| 20:12.51 | p1ls | yes |
| 20:13.10 | infinity0 | uhm, i have a problem installing tomcat |
| 20:13.30 | infinity0 | when i try dpkg --configure "tomcat5.5" it exits with status 1 |
| 20:13.47 | infinity0 | Setting up tomcat5.5 (5.5.20-2) ... |
| 20:14.03 | geo-rge | one sec |
| 20:14.06 | infinity0 | Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat5.5invoke-rc.d: initscript tomcat5.5, action "start" failed |
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| 20:15.42 | geo-rge | ok, now do this: |
| 20:15.46 | infinity0 | i think the problem is possibly because "tomcat5.5" has . in it |
| 20:15.56 | zmitya | hi all |
| 20:16.17 | zmitya | when I ssh to a server and type: ssh-agent;ssh-add |
| 20:16.30 | zmitya | it says: Could not open a connection to your authentication agent. |
| 20:16.32 | \amethyst | you can't just type ssh-agent |
| 20:16.41 | \amethyst | it produces output which must be evaled |
| 20:16.46 | \amethyst | eval `ssh-agent` |
| 20:16.55 | \amethyst | or copy and paste the stuff it already printed |
| 20:17.18 | zmitya | \amethyst: thx, trying |
| 20:17.30 | \amethyst | also, that will only affect this shell and anything it execs |
| 20:17.35 | DustyBin | ssh-add |
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| 20:17.52 | zmitya | \amethyst: oh, I have already ran ssh-agent |
| 20:18.05 | zmitya | then I would like to ocnnect to it |
| 20:18.12 | zmitya | with ssh-add |
| 20:18.26 | geo-rge | cat interfaces-common interfaces-dhcp > interfaces |
| 20:18.30 | \amethyst | it printed some stuff like SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-TcevCOS455/agent.455; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK; |
| 20:18.38 | \amethyst | and SSH_AGENT_PID too |
| 20:18.40 | zmitya | oh, got it |
| 20:18.43 | p1ls | ;) |
| 20:18.46 | zmitya | thanks!! |
| 20:18.51 | geo-rge | plls: did that? |
| 20:18.53 | p1ls | what |
| 20:18.57 | geo-rge | cat interfaces-common interfaces-dhcp > interfaces |
| 20:19.02 | p1ls | ok doing it |
| 20:19.21 | \amethyst | I'm rebuilding a livecd because I was stupid |
| 20:19.41 | \amethyst | and did lh_clean purge instead of lh_clean binary |
| 20:19.44 | p1ls | ok |
| 20:19.47 | p1ls | done |
| 20:19.50 | geo-rge | would you ever rebuild a livecd when you were hungry? |
| 20:20.03 | geo-rge | p1ls: now try: ifup eth0 |
| 20:20.19 | \amethyst | geo-rge: I think that was my problem when I did lh_clean purge... I was too hungry and not thinking straight |
| 20:20.23 | p1ls | DISCOVERING |
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| 20:20.35 | \amethyst | fortunately I had a backup of the config/ directory, which is the important thing |
| 20:20.38 | p1ls | doing same thing as dhclient eth0 did |
| 20:20.39 | \amethyst | the rest is just time |
| 20:20.47 | Codenut | hey gang |
| 20:20.48 | geo-rge | ok, good |
| 20:20.57 | geo-rge | did it fail or succeed? |
| 20:21.11 | ribnitz | \amethyst: its improtant ot have that; basically /etc |
| 20:21.22 | p1ls | not working |
| 20:21.29 | geo-rge | ok |
| 20:21.33 | \amethyst | ribnitz: it's really important for me because I have some custom directories in there |
| 20:21.45 | \amethyst | and the CDs have to be built by tomorrow |
| 20:21.46 | geo-rge | we're going to rewrite the dhcp one |
| 20:21.56 | geo-rge | cat > interfaces-dhcp |
| 20:22.03 | geo-rge | # dhcp stanza |
| 20:22.10 | geo-rge | auto eth0 |
| 20:22.16 | geo-rge | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:22.22 | geo-rge | (hit ctrl-d) |
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| 20:22.46 | geo-rge | did that? |
| 20:22.51 | p1ls | ya |
| 20:22.58 | ribnitz | Nice. printed like 230 of the 750 pages. |
| 20:23.13 | geo-rge | ok, if you were to cat interfaces-dhcp you would see the three lines |
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| 20:23.51 | geo-rge | but now we're going to make another file |
| 20:23.53 | p1ls | ya |
| 20:24.02 | geo-rge | this one's kinda long |
| 20:24.07 | geo-rge | so stay with me |
| 20:24.14 | geo-rge | cat > interfaces-static |
| 20:24.14 | geo-rge | auto eth0 |
| 20:24.15 | p1ls | ok |
| 20:24.24 | geo-rge | iface eth0 inet static |
| 20:24.24 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:24.37 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.37 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.43 | ribnitz | geo-rge: /dev/ranodm, which has all random numbers in it? ;) |
| 20:24.50 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.51 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.13 | geo-rge | then hit ctrl-d |
| 20:25.24 | geo-rge | then type ifdown eth0 |
| 20:25.44 | geo-rge | and finally do this: |
| 20:25.46 | geo-rge | cat interfaces-common interfaces-static > interfaces |
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| 20:26.34 | p1ls | http://fmz.linuxstudio.pl/a.txt check it if its right |
| 20:26.50 | p1ls | i copied what to say so i an maximaze it and see from laptop lol cuz laptop monitor is broken |
| 20:27.10 | geo-rge | hmm, wonder if interfaces needs the indent |
| 20:27.16 | Codenut | Is it possible to route a tty output to an other monitor via another pci video card? |
| 20:27.25 | geo-rge | oh, oops :) |
| 20:27.30 | geo-rge | I fucked up |
| 20:28.05 | geo-rge | just in case it needs the indent: |
| 20:28.18 | dkr | Codenut: yes, you can use two vid cards to run two displays |
| 20:28.24 | p1ls | so what should i change |
| 20:28.25 | sam_ | Hi I have a sound card that needs some extra configuring. I have followed these instructions ( i have the same laptop) but my sound card does still not work. I am running sid. where should i put the following lines please?? alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel |
| 20:28.25 | sam_ | options snd-hda-intel model=hp position_fix=1 enable=yes |
| 20:28.29 | SpeedyG | geo-rge: afaik, it doesnt :) |
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| 20:28.48 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 20:28.53 | sam_ | sorry these instructions http://www.puchalla-online.de/nx6325.html |
| 20:28.56 | geo-rge | everything after iface eth0 and before ctrl + d |
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| 20:29.11 | p1ls | lol what |
| 20:29.13 | geo-rge | put some spaces at the beginning, like about 4 or so |
| 20:29.33 | geo-rge | also we have to fix the broadcast line... it should read |
| 20:29.36 | SamuraiDio | after some uodate, with aptitude, my file browser (thunar) resets all file associations. what can i do? it there some way to set file associations system wide? |
| 20:29.46 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.48 | DustyDingo | is it possible to resize a logical partition? |
| 20:30.10 | p1ls | ok |
| 20:30.21 | p1ls | so i just changed boradcast |
| 20:30.27 | geo-rge | ok, cool |
| 20:30.30 | p1ls | oka |
| 20:30.30 | SamuraiDio | DustyBin, yes |
| 20:30.36 | p1ls | check it if its right now |
| 20:30.46 | SamuraiDio | DustyBin, sorry |
| 20:30.55 | SamuraiDio | DustyDingo, yes |
| 20:30.55 | geo-rge | the link didn't change |
| 20:30.59 | Codenut | How would I route another tty to another video card? |
| 20:31.11 | geo-rge | http://fmz.linuxstudio.pl/a.txt is the right link? |
| 20:31.14 | p1ls | yes |
| 20:31.40 | geo-rge | that looks good |
| 20:31.46 | p1ls | ok brb |
| 20:31.47 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: yes. you'd need to resize the extended partition it resides in if it's filled up, possibly move other logical partitions in it around, then resize your partition and the filesystem on it. |
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| 20:32.08 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: or use a wrapper that does those things for you, like gparted |
| 20:32.11 | geo-rge | ignore errors created by the ifdown |
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| 20:32.55 | Codenut | thanks anyways guys I will keep looking |
| 20:32.58 | Codenut | Cheers |
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| 20:34.06 | pableras | jelly-home, heh gparted looks pretty cool |
| 20:34.11 | p1ls | done |
| 20:34.12 | DexterF | !vmware |
| 20:34.12 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask the vendor for support, or ask here: #vmware |
| 20:34.15 | pableras | dont need it yet, but always wondered if there was such thing |
| 20:34.23 | DexterF | ah fsck it! |
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| 20:34.26 | geo-rge | ok, here's some docs for you... |
| 20:34.39 | geo-rge | this is a NONSTANDARD setup, meant for testing |
| 20:34.55 | jelly-home | pableras: it has some gotchas (vista's ntfs, weird disk geometry), but usually works |
| 20:35.02 | geo-rge | right now we're trying to connect any way we can |
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| 20:35.13 | DustyDingo | jelly-home: i will give parted a try |
| 20:35.13 | m4rz | hi to all |
| 20:35.21 | m4rz | hi to all, i've a server that allways fails at 10:00, system blocks, i don't have crontabs at this hour... someone can help me? |
| 20:35.31 | DexterF | someone got pointers on installing vmware on debian? asks for headers but the kernel source is inconfed and I don't wanna really build it right now |
| 20:35.32 | jelly-home | pableras: and most important it has a relatively small livecd download with the latest version |
| 20:35.50 | p1ls | geo-rge maybe i should try to reinstall and when it says configure your network section ill just set it up there |
| 20:35.55 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: make backups. :-) |
| 20:35.59 | geo-rge | plls: just a sec, |
| 20:36.01 | p1ls | j |
| 20:36.04 | geo-rge | just listen :) |
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| 20:36.47 | geo-rge | there are two "settings", one is "loopback, dhcp" and the other is "loopback, static address" |
| 20:37.17 | geo-rge | we eventually want dhcp to work, but it doesn't right now, so we're trying a static setup |
| 20:38.13 | geo-rge | if you want to have your system use dhcp... |
| 20:38.13 | p1ls | ya |
| 20:38.13 | geo-rge | do this: |
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| 20:38.13 | geo-rge | cat interfaces-common interfaces-dhcp > interfaces |
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| 20:38.14 | p1ls | k |
| 20:38.16 | geo-rge | if you want to have your system use the static address (that liable guessed would work fine), do this: |
| 20:38.25 | geo-rge | cat interfaces-common interfaces-static > interfaces |
| 20:38.35 | geo-rge | you have to be in the dir /etc/network |
| 20:38.44 | geo-rge | for this to work properly. |
| 20:38.55 | p1ls | yea, i chosed cat interfaces-common interfaces-dhcp > interaces |
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| 20:39.11 | geo-rge | what it does is "generate" an interfaces file |
| 20:39.27 | geo-rge | the interfaces file in turn describes the interfaces to the debian |
| 20:39.53 | geo-rge | these cat commands I gave earlier make permanent changes |
| 20:40.09 | geo-rge | that is, they change the interfaces file |
| 20:40.23 | p1ls | oka |
| 20:40.25 | SamuraiDio | after some uodate, with aptitude, my file browser (thunar) resets all file associations. what can i do? it there some way to set file associations system wide? |
| 20:40.25 | geo-rge | ok, do you understand all that? (you should keep that part) |
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| 20:40.53 | sam_ | could anyone help me with my audio problem? my soundcard is not detected and needs 2 lines added to some file to make it work, i just don't know what file! |
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| 20:41.03 | DustyDingo | .oO( i should change the mirror ) |
| 20:41.03 | geo-rge | right now, it should be that the interfaces file is set up for static |
| 20:41.06 | \amethyst | sam_: what two lines? |
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| 20:41.16 | p1ls | i changed it do dhpc |
| 20:41.30 | DustyDingo | i am at home and using my local isp and some very important packages can't be authenticated |
| 20:41.33 | geo-rge | verify this by doing cat interfaces and looking to see if the second stanza is for static |
| 20:41.48 | sam_ | alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel |
| 20:41.48 | sam_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.02 | geo-rge | ok, then run this to set it to static: |
| 20:42.07 | geo-rge | cat interfaces-common interfaces-static > interfaces |
| 20:42.28 | sam_ | these two lines appear in all the how to - but they are put in different places depending on distro |
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| 20:42.32 | geo-rge | once you do that, we can try ifup eth0 |
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| 20:42.38 | infinity0 | sam_: ahh i can help you, i did that this morning |
| 20:42.40 | marcfp | hello |
| 20:42.47 | sam_ | :) |
| 20:42.50 | infinity0 | sam_: in debian the file you want is /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 20:43.10 | marcfp | hello, does anybody have problems with debian testing and mysql-server-5.0 ? |
| 20:43.15 | p1ls | fuck, dosent work, geo-rge i saved the log , now im gonna reformat it cuz i got a feelin it will work xD so brb |
| 20:43.16 | marcfp | i can't start the server |
| 20:43.18 | p1ls | thanks thanks thanks a lot |
| 20:43.31 | infinity0 | marcfp: same, i can't start tomcat either, init-rd.c fails right? |
| 20:43.49 | geo-rge | allllrightey then... time to wander around town :) |
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| 20:43.53 | en1gma | with the kp mantra command i always get these errors "Option revision requires an argument" && "Option append-to-version requires an argument" there are variables in the kn mantra that looks like it should already be set |
| 20:43.56 | marcfp | infinity0: i don't know exactly |
| 20:44.18 | sam_ | infinity0, thanks , but i tried that already. do i need to reload my alsa module or something? |
| 20:44.26 | en1gma | "$VER" && "$NAMEEXT" |
| 20:44.35 | \amethyst | en1gma: those are set at the beginning of the line |
| 20:44.35 | infinity0 | sam_: yeah reload using alsaconf |
| 20:44.43 | en1gma | checking |
| 20:44.47 | \amethyst | en1gma: VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" make-kpkg etc |
| 20:45.13 | marcfp | infinity0: are you using mysql-server-5.0 for databases ? |
| 20:45.13 | en1gma | so "date" and "hostname" dont have a script to autodetect it? |
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| 20:45.37 | infinity0 | marcfp: no i think it's the sameproblem though |
| 20:45.51 | \amethyst | en1gma: I don't think I understand the question |
| 20:46.06 | en1gma | when i run that command i always get those messages i posted above |
| 20:46.06 | sam_ | infinity0, still does not load, should i reboot the machine? |
| 20:46.15 | infinity0 | sam_: what's the error? |
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| 20:46.30 | marcfp | infinity0: i have this problem some time ago, if i make killall -9 mysqld then i can start mysql well |
| 20:46.32 | sam_ | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device |
| 20:46.50 | \amethyst | en1gma: and you're starting with VER=$(date...) and going up to kernel_image modules_image ? |
| 20:46.58 | marcfp | either i want resolve it :( |
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| 20:47.14 | en1gma | yea i just copy the whole kp mantra line into bash and hit enter and it gives me those messages |
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| 20:47.29 | en1gma | i always have to delete that info from the kp mantra if i want it to work |
| 20:47.33 | en1gma | door bell one minute |
| 20:47.43 | infinity0 | marcfp: oh nvmd, that wasn't what i was going through |
| 20:47.48 | sam_ | perhaps it is just a Sid thing, I guess you were using etch? |
| 20:47.53 | \amethyst | en1gma: is there some problem with date, hostname, or dpkg-architecture? |
| 20:48.04 | infinity0 | sam_: oh that wasn't what i had sorry, and yes i'm using etch |
| 20:48.41 | sam_ | ok thanks anyway, i will try etch |
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| 20:50.51 | fmz | geo-rcd IT WORKED |
| 20:50.53 | fmz | xD |
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| 20:51.18 | p1ls | geo-rge: works xD |
| 20:51.19 | p1ls | i knew it |
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| 20:51.55 | geo-rge | what was the problem |
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| 20:52.12 | sam_ | yep it works on etch... |
| 20:52.27 | p1ls | idk, i reinstalled, and it says dhcp configured sucesfully |
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| 20:52.51 | geo-rge | oh, well, good :) |
| 20:52.57 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 20:52.59 | geo-rge | so it will start up that way |
| 20:53.07 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 20:53.18 | ribnitz | hello there. |
| 20:53.36 | p1ls | but thanks a lot |
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| 20:53.57 | geo-rge | obviously that thing we did can be just thrown out... |
| 20:53.58 | geo-rge | but |
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| 20:54.35 | geo-rge | it shows an interesting technique for splitting up and forming a text file from understandable pieces |
| 20:55.16 | MarkSlap | Hi, I've got Debian Etch that running as a shell, and I got IPv6 of some strange reason. I've tried ifconfig eth0 del addr/prefixlen, but it complains at something, how do I get IPv4? :) |
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| 20:55.58 | geo-rge | maybe it saw an ipv6 compatible device on your net |
| 20:56.22 | MarkSlap | Mmkey, my modem/router/AP don't find that computer |
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| 20:56.35 | maxdoubt | i have a really dumb question :-) |
| 20:56.51 | maxdoubt | is it possible to let telnetd authenticate a user that has no password? |
| 20:57.06 | geo-rge | probably |
| 20:57.09 | MarkSlap | And the last time I had it running (An quarter before this) it had an IPv4-adress |
| 20:57.12 | geo-rge | but do you really want that |
| 20:57.33 | maxdoubt | geo-rge, unfortunately, i do... where do i specify telnetd config params? |
| 20:57.37 | geo-rge | if it's out on the internet you risk letting anyone come in and do whatever |
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| 20:57.43 | Mr-R | maxdoubt: why dont you use rlogin/rsh instead? |
| 20:57.45 | geo-rge | no idea |
| 20:58.12 | geo-rge | why not use ssh and a key that has a blank passphrase |
| 20:58.20 | Mr-R | maxdoubt: and i assume that you are using this in a secure environment... |
| 20:58.24 | geo-rge | or |
| 20:58.32 | maxdoubt | Mr-R, i'm telneting to localhost actually |
| 20:58.43 | maxdoubt | and yes... its a "secure" environment |
| 20:58.46 | geo-rge | use a key that has a nonblank passphrase and do ssh-add |
| 20:59.10 | maxdoubt | unfortunately, the programs that i'm working with... only telnet to localhost, and expect to login a user w/ no password |
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| 20:59.23 | maxdoubt | otherwise, i would use ssh |
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| 21:00.08 | sparrw | ive got /var/imap/log/[each users name]/[one file per pop/imap connection], can logrotate handle something like that? |
| 21:00.38 | l0xar | I am trying to look at the total output from "modprobe -l" but would like to have page breaks so that I am able to see everthing. Is there a way to do this? |
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| 21:00.51 | abrotman | sparrw: i'm pretty sure you can |
| 21:00.54 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 21:00.58 | abrotman | why per connection ? |
| 21:01.07 | sparrw | because thats how cyrus logs things |
| 21:01.31 | geo-rge | l0xar: you can redirect to a file which you then edit... you can pipe to more |
| 21:01.40 | abrotman | sparrw: uhm .. i use cyrus .. it doesn't do that for me |
| 21:01.50 | sparrw | then you dont have that option turned on |
| 21:01.57 | abrotman | cause it's stupid! |
| 21:02.04 | l0xar | geo-rge: true i did not even think about doing it that way. thanks |
| 21:03.09 | sparrw | its the only way to debug connections |
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| 21:06.09 | Alley | under ubuntu an lsmod shows that snd_hda_intel is loaded. Sound works fine. I need this in Debian. Will I need to recompile the whole of Alsa to get this for etch? |
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| 21:06.56 | geo-rge | Alley: does that module exist in your file system? |
| 21:07.00 | abrotman | Alley: depends on the version you need for your card |
| 21:07.22 | Alley | How can I found out what I need (I am in Ubuntu now wher sound works) |
| 21:07.31 | abrotman | dpkg -l alsa* |
| 21:07.31 | dpkg | ii alsa* 1.6-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 21:07.44 | Alley | ? |
| 21:07.50 | en1gma | ok im back |
| 21:07.56 | abrotman | let the games begin! |
| 21:08.12 | en1gma | got to find the last info i typed |
| 21:08.15 | en1gma | 1 min |
| 21:08.15 | pumpkin0 | with 2.6.15 i could read the Kernel-config somewhere in /proc (/proc/config.gz ?) . With 2.6.21 it is gone. Did it move to /sys or is there another way to get the current config ? |
| 21:08.20 | Alley | abrotman: it said "no version avalable" |
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| 21:08.35 | abrotman | it shouldn't say that |
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| 21:08.46 | abrotman | pumpkin0: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 21:08.51 | Alley | "un alsa <none> (no description available)" |
| 21:08.55 | PyroticShadow | amphi, you there? |
| 21:08.57 | abrotman | note the * |
| 21:09.12 | Alley | heh. sorry. |
| 21:09.14 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: thanks. |
| 21:09.24 | infinity0 | how do i get ls to display directories only? or those with a specific permission? |
| 21:09.29 | Alley | abrotman: ii alsa-base 1.0.13-3ubuntu ALSA driver configuration files |
| 21:09.31 | PyroticShadow | can anyone help me get my interweb up on my debian install? |
| 21:09.31 | geo-rge | probably you want to quote that, like "alsa*" |
| 21:09.34 | peppe | Alley: don't you have that module on etch kernel? are you sure that it wasn't added in a later version? |
| 21:09.46 | abrotman | !info alsa-source etch |
| 21:09.49 | peppe | infinity0: find + xargs ls |
| 21:09.49 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA driver sources), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.13-5 (etch), Packaged size: 2479 kB, Installed size: 2532 kB |
| 21:09.54 | Alley | peppe: I dont know testing hangs my machine. Stable works, |
| 21:09.58 | infinity0 | peppe: right thanks |
| 21:09.59 | en1gma | "[15:47] <\amethyst> en1gma: is there some problem with date, hostname, or dpkg-architecture?" yea i think there could be and i even reconfigured the locales and tzdata last night |
| 21:10.05 | geo-rge | is alsa split out of the kernel again? |
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| 21:10.38 | Alley | So what do I need to do to get this working on debian etch? |
| 21:10.45 | en1gma | when i install net-install then change source.list to sid and do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade i always get those lolace warning |
| 21:11.35 | geo-rge | en1gma: why do you run sid? |
| 21:11.38 | en1gma | do i need to reinstall a package maybe |
| 21:11.52 | en1gma | well for the last 5 years i always run -current |
| 21:12.01 | en1gma | and this problem has happened forever with sid |
| 21:12.06 | en1gma | at least a year |
| 21:12.14 | peppe | Alley: I repeat my question: haven't you that module in your etch kernel? look for snd_hda_intel.ko under /lib/modules/ |
| 21:12.31 | geo-rge | problems (even big ones) are permitted in sid... |
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| 21:12.40 | Alley | peppe: ok. Wait. I need to mount the etch partition and look. |
| 21:12.47 | en1gma | ill just remove the -version info from my kp mantra line...its easier and thats the way i always do it |
| 21:13.00 | geo-rge | complaining about problems in sid is also permitted provided you help fix them |
| 21:14.04 | en1gma | i did report it and was trying to fix it but i can tell that its not heading in a good direction so ill just fix it the way i usually do |
| 21:14.34 | en1gma | today and just found out its not a string i need to enter...ive asked about this Q before and ppl told me some bad remarks |
| 21:14.50 | en1gma | saying that if i couldnt understand the syntax i shouldnt be running debian |
| 21:14.51 | fastputty | hi guys, is there anyway to run a perl script when someone log into the machin? |
| 21:15.02 | fastputty | like in root |
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| 21:15.37 | en1gma | geo-rge you always try and help me and thats great but if i ask the wrong questions i get jumped by 5 other ppl |
| 21:15.38 | PyroticShadow | can anyone help me get my interweb up on my debian install? |
| 21:15.49 | peppe | fastputty: what do you mean, "when someone"? |
| 21:16.35 | fastputty | well |
| 21:16.38 | fastputty | wheni log into the root |
| 21:16.41 | fastputty | it send a perl script |
| 21:16.53 | fastputty | anyone who log into root |
| 21:16.55 | fastputty | got a perl script running |
| 21:16.56 | en1gma | geo-rge if you got a few mins ill try and help fix the problem. |
| 21:17.03 | peppe | fastputty: "log into the root"? |
| 21:17.11 | fastputty | with ssh |
| 21:17.14 | fastputty | when somoene log in root |
| 21:17.20 | geo-rge | en1gma: btw, you got the quote wrong probably... likely, it was "if you can't learn the syntax, you shouldn't be running sid" (not debian, but sid) |
| 21:17.26 | Alley | peppe: I can find no such module name in either ubuntu with working sound or debian etch. |
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| 21:17.46 | en1gma | geo-rge i know the syntax well enough to delete the info to make it work |
| 21:17.51 | en1gma | so it wasnt that |
| 21:17.55 | Daveman | HELLO FRIENDS |
| 21:18.02 | peppe | Alley: hu? wasn't lsmod showing to you that module? |
| 21:18.17 | peppe | fastputty: when someone logs in AS root? |
| 21:18.27 | en1gma | when you start talking $variables that is input somewhere else |
| 21:18.34 | en1gma | not listed in the "kp mantra" |
| 21:18.37 | Alley | peppe: yes. I shows all these : snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_seq_oss,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_seq,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_rawmidi,snd_hwdep,snd_seq_device |
| 21:18.39 | fastputty | well yes peppe |
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| 21:19.08 | peppe | fastputty: and you don't want that an user can decide to run or don't run that script? |
| 21:19.12 | geo-rge | DAVEMAN: YOU KNOW HOW QUACK? MUST PLAY THE QUACK AND SHOOT THE MONSTER BADS |
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| 21:20.02 | Daveman | haha |
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| 21:20.05 | Daveman | Yes, ... exactly! |
| 21:20.10 | geo-rge | ok that was a really bad impression of B1FF |
| 21:20.11 | Alley | peppe: it is for sure a .ko file? Can it not be staticly linked in kernel? |
| 21:20.20 | en1gma | i will tell how to reproduce the problem....install debian "net-install cd" with no "desktop enviroment or anything checked on in that menu" then when you get to console change source.list to sid and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 21:20.39 | geo-rge | Alley: you could read the config file of the kernel too |
| 21:20.41 | peppe | Alley: if you see that in lsmod, it's a module |
| 21:20.41 | en1gma | do not select "keep current keymap" as that always does it |
| 21:20.54 | en1gma | so i select change current keymap and pick my settings |
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| 21:21.03 | Alley | geo-rge: lets try and keep it simple :) |
| 21:21.07 | en1gma | i still get all those warnings about locales not set |
| 21:21.13 | peppe | Alley: I have that module under sid and under etch |
| 21:21.17 | pickcoder | en1gma: why would you unselect the standard install? |
| 21:21.23 | peppe | Alley: /lib/modules/[kernelversion]/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko |
| 21:21.24 | en1gma | i dont need it |
| 21:21.34 | en1gma | im running a system that dont even need a vcard |
| 21:21.38 | Alley | peppe: if I dont have it do you know how I install it? |
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| 21:21.45 | geo-rge | Alley: I'm just saying, if the config file is present that's going to be the way to determine if the driver was compiled into the kernel |
| 21:21.57 | Spiritus55 | Is there a program that can convert videos into .3gp format? |
| 21:21.58 | peppe | Alley: that's weird! reinstall the kernel package (linux-image-something) |
| 21:22.01 | en1gma | pickcoder why is "standard install" unselectable |
| 21:22.01 | geo-rge | if not, not sure how you could know |
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| 21:22.19 | Alley | geo-rge: fine. but I want to get it working in etch. whether its compiled into ubuntu isn't the issue. |
| 21:22.34 | peppe | Alley: look in the path I've pasted |
| 21:22.45 | Alley | peppe: thanks. I will reboot in Debian now and talk in a while. Thanks for the pointers. |
| 21:22.53 | geo-rge | Alley: right, the issue is whether it's present either way in etch |
| 21:23.11 | en1gma | ok i gonna get rid of the -version and -append to version info so i can compile brb |
| 21:23.13 | geo-rge | and the config file is one way to find out |
| 21:23.13 | PyroticShadow | can anyone help me get my interweb up on my debian install? |
| 21:23.41 | geo-rge | wut inturwab? |
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| 21:24.03 | pickcoder | I don't think it is, but I've never wanted a skeleton install |
| 21:24.12 | en1gma | its compiling |
| 21:24.24 | en1gma | it is unselectable |
| 21:24.29 | en1gma | i do it all the time :) |
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| 21:24.44 | infinity0 | how do i get find to return only 1 result? |
| 21:25.00 | geo-rge | wut iz uh inturwab? |
| 21:25.31 | NooB | how to change the cursor on gnome? |
| 21:25.52 | infernix | what's the commandline variant of /msg dpkg find [somefile]? |
| 21:26.08 | petemc | apt-file |
| 21:26.10 | pickcoder | infinity0: | head -n 1 |
| 21:26.18 | infinity0 | ahh cheers |
| 21:26.35 | infernix | petemc: thx:) |
| 21:26.41 | pickcoder | or | tail -n 1 |
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| 21:27.10 | geo-rge | infernix: you could use find or locate if you don't want info about the debian package db for your installation |
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| 21:27.33 | cautela | how can I figure out what kind of motherboard I have (pc is remotely). It is not listed under 'lspci' |
| 21:27.36 | cautela | are there other commands to determine hardware information? |
| 21:27.50 | petemc | dmidecode, hwinfo |
| 21:28.00 | infernix | geo-rge: uh? i'm not following - im looking for files that i haven't installed yet. |
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| 21:28.21 | ribnitz | Are there any linux apps that can use the various dvd-labelling technologies? |
| 21:28.26 | geo-rge | infernix: packages.debian.org is one approach |
| 21:28.35 | infernix | geo-rge: 2slow4me :p |
| 21:28.38 | ribnitz | like LightScribe/LabelFlash? |
| 21:28.39 | xand | ribnitz: you can print |
| 21:28.43 | petemc | also, its not command line |
| 21:28.44 | geo-rge | if you havent' got a package installed, there is not a file list for it |
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| 21:28.50 | Alley | back. In debian the snd_intel_hda is not installed. |
| 21:28.56 | petemc | geo-rge: thats what apt-file is for |
| 21:29.00 | pickcoder | I think lightscribe is still proprietary |
| 21:29.05 | Alley | snd-hda-intel I mean |
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| 21:29.19 | ribnitz | pickcoder: thats what I thought; proprietary app.. |
| 21:29.22 | infernix | this apt-file, its an etch thing? or was it in sarge also? |
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| 21:29.29 | petemc | it was in sarge |
| 21:29.35 | pickcoder | even if you have a plug-in for your burning software, you need the lightscribe driver |
| 21:29.38 | en1gma | apt-file works in sid |
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| 21:29.52 | jair | hello guys... |
| 21:29.59 | infernix | debian user since 1.3 and only now using apt-file |
| 21:30.03 | ribnitz | pickcoder: which is probably downloadable somewhere |
| 21:30.09 | jair | I am having an special project in a classroom with about 30 machines |
| 21:30.23 | pickcoder | lightscribe.com? |
| 21:30.47 | jair | I am trying to find the best way for me to deploy an installation via network, of this machines with debian etch |
| 21:31.00 | pickcoder | hm, there is a driver for Linux |
| 21:31.09 | en1gma | jair http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rts0xK5Uu3M&mode=related&search= |
| 21:31.13 | pickcoder | and a labeler app |
| 21:31.16 | petemc | jair: pxe install, you might want to look into preseeding |
| 21:31.18 | infernix | jair: use PXE netboot |
| 21:31.31 | jair | for windows I normally use pxe windows symantec and symantec ghost |
| 21:31.44 | jair | what can I use for Linux specially Debian |
| 21:32.04 | infernix | you could go that route, but im guessing a preseed PXE install is faster |
| 21:32.08 | en1gma | jair look at that link |
| 21:32.10 | en1gma | :) |
| 21:32.13 | petemc | jair: you can use netcat and dd to do something similar as ghost, i think partimage might work too |
| 21:32.21 | pickcoder | ribnitz: there is a pre-release debian package |
| 21:32.44 | pickcoder | heh. the file is missing |
| 21:32.55 | infernix | petemc: wait, like dd if=blah | netcat x.x.x.255? |
| 21:32.58 | en1gma | brb |
| 21:33.30 | ribnitz | pickcoder: which porbably plugs into k3b, or something. |
| 21:33.38 | Mr-R | jair: you could try fai: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ i have not used it and i am not sure if its easy to configure... |
| 21:33.41 | pickcoder | it's a complete application |
| 21:33.50 | pickcoder | "labeling system" |
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| 21:34.10 | petemc | infernix: yeah, dunno about broadcasting it |
| 21:34.21 | ribnitz | pickcoder: In your opinion, does it make sense to spend another 5 bucks on a dvd writer that will support this; even though it is the bulk bundle (without software)? |
| 21:34.26 | jair | Mr-R: I will check that out |
| 21:34.34 | infernix | petemc: that would be incredibly cool due to its simplicity though:) |
| 21:34.40 | petemc | twould |
| 21:34.40 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 21:34.48 | pickcoder | if you plan on making extensive covers, no |
| 21:34.52 | pickcoder | it sucks for that |
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| 21:35.02 | Alley | So an lsmod in etch reveals that the snd-hda-intel is not loaded. How do I load it? |
| 21:35.04 | jair | en1gma: I will check that thanks |
| 21:35.05 | pickcoder | dropping a small title on the disc, yes.. it's much cheaper than labels |
| 21:35.28 | pickcoder | high-res photos can take an hour or longer to burn |
| 21:35.35 | pickcoder | and they don't look all that terrific |
| 21:35.39 | jair | petemc: I will check that info you sent |
| 21:35.47 | jair | petemc: thank you |
| 21:35.50 | petemc | np |
| 21:35.58 | NooB | how to change the cursor on gnome ? |
| 21:36.22 | ribnitz | pickcoder: ok. Both technlogfies need special disks though. |
| 21:36.49 | jair | so if this will be the way to deply the base or gold image in different computers simultaneously, is also a way to back up beside this? |
| 21:37.35 | petemc | jair: you mean normal backing up of data ? |
| 21:37.39 | jair | I have a very powerfull server using lvm and I really would like to know how or what should i use to back up. |
| 21:37.47 | petemc | i use dirvish |
| 21:37.53 | jair | petemc: well that plus the system as well |
| 21:37.56 | PyroticShadow | can anyone help me get my interweb up on my debian install? |
| 21:38.11 | infernix | hrm, seems freenx won't buildpackage on amd64. besides [tiny|real|whatever]vnc, any other multi (at least 2) user remote control tools that come to mind? |
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| 21:38.23 | jair | petemc: I use dirvish before very nice, but I would like to see other options as well. |
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| 21:38.35 | petemc | backuppc is supposed to be good |
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| 21:38.42 | jair | ohh |
| 21:38.46 | jair | petemc: I will check |
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| 21:38.58 | abrotman | PyroticShadow: why doesn't it work ? |
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| 21:39.02 | geo-rge | PyroticShadow: as you may have guessed from my initial response, you're not being specific to the point that I (at least) understand what you mean. |
| 21:39.20 | abrotman | !confuse geo-rge |
| 21:39.20 | dpkg | Yes, where was my mushroom today, geo-rge? lederhosen of the republic of belarus with extra cheese |
| 21:39.26 | PyroticShadow | abrotman, because I'm not familiar enough with debian, haha. |
| 21:39.40 | abrotman | PyroticShadow: does it get an IP? is it wifi or wired ? |
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| 21:39.59 | PyroticShadow | geo-rge, well, I did the install, and the net doesn't work so I can't update, or install a WM |
| 21:40.12 | PyroticShadow | abrotman, no, it doesn't get the ip I manually set that in hopes it'd work, it's wired. |
| 21:40.13 | abrotman | is your network DHCP or static ? |
| 21:40.18 | PyroticShadow | dhcp |
| 21:40.20 | abrotman | does ifconfig -a show your NIC ? |
| 21:40.28 | abrotman | dmesg | grep -i eth .. show anything ? |
| 21:40.46 | PyroticShadow | yeah, it shows it... |
| 21:40.51 | geo-rge | PyroticShadow: so the interweb is less relevent (at least right now) than getting your networking up |
| 21:40.53 | infernix | run dhclient ethX |
| 21:40.56 | Spiritus55 | Is there a program that can convert videos into .3gp format? |
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| 21:41.12 | infernix | it should DISCOVER/REQUEST and eventually get an IP |
| 21:41.19 | abrotman | or die trying :) |
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| 21:41.30 | infernix | if it doesn't, run mii-tool ethX |
| 21:41.33 | PyroticShadow | that worked abrotman |
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| 21:41.42 | PyroticShadow | it worked infernix |
| 21:41.43 | PyroticShadow | thanks. |
| 21:41.51 | abrotman | PyroticShadow: but if you reboot .. it will not work ? |
| 21:41.53 | infernix | ok now edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:42.01 | abrotman | make sure eth0 is set to auto and dhcp |
| 21:42.18 | abrotman | auto ethX |
| 21:42.22 | infernix | see to it that it has "auto ethX" and "iface ethX inet dhcp" |
| 21:42.41 | Spiritus55 | Could someone please help with my question? |
| 21:42.41 | PyroticShadow | I typed "auto eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in the /etc/network/interfaces, that should work right? |
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| 21:42.47 | abrotman | iface ethX inet dhcp |
| 21:42.59 | abrotman | Spiritus55: wtf is .3gp ? |
| 21:43.01 | infernix | PyroticShadow: yep. now reboot and pray |
| 21:43.06 | Spiritus55 | A phone video format. |
| 21:43.11 | infernix | Spiritus55: mencoder |
| 21:43.16 | PyroticShadow | k, rebooting infernix |
| 21:43.24 | Spiritus55 | infernix: for sure, it can encode into .3gp? |
| 21:43.28 | infernix | Spiritus55: try google on: mencoder 3gpp site:mplayerhq.hu |
| 21:43.41 | infernix | 3gp is just the container, but afaik it can yes |
| 21:43.47 | Spiritus55 | infernix: Ok, I'll try. |
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| 21:43.58 | Spiritus55 | infernix: afaik? |
| 21:44.03 | infernix | !afaik |
| 21:44.04 | dpkg | it has been said that afaik is as far as I know |
| 21:44.11 | Spiritus55 | Thanks. |
| 21:44.24 | infernix | you might get more help in #mplayer. |
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| 21:44.29 | infernix | be patient though |
| 21:44.32 | Alley | oh well. A simple fetch of latest alsa-file and make fixed it. |
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| 21:47.39 | infinity0 | how do you print the current working directory in bash? |
| 21:47.57 | geo-rge | pee doubleewe dee |
| 21:47.59 | SpeedyG | pwd |
| 21:48.04 | infinity0 | ahhh cool thanks :D |
| 21:48.16 | geo-rge | not just in bash, any shell |
| 21:48.32 | infinity0 | right, kk |
| 21:48.54 | SpeedyG | 'print working directory' :> |
| 21:49.08 | infinity0 | :B |
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| 21:49.16 | PyroticShadow | k, infernix net still works, now what WM do you recommend for a laptop with 32MB ram, 3GB hdd... and where can I get the repositories to get it..? |
| 21:49.31 | infernix | ion3 |
| 21:49.39 | infernix | and you can't. its only in isd |
| 21:49.41 | infernix | *sid |
| 21:49.49 | infinity0 | what's the opposite of head? i tried man foot but that doesn't work :/ |
| 21:49.50 | infernix | but uhm |
| 21:49.56 | SpeedyG | tail |
| 21:49.58 | geo-rge | why so small? |
| 21:50.01 | infernix | infinity0: tail |
| 21:50.02 | jelly-home | is "don't use X at all" an option? |
| 21:50.06 | geo-rge | foot |
| 21:50.09 | infernix | infinity0: but nice try |
| 21:50.12 | infinity0 | SpeedyG, infernix: it all makes sense now lol |
| 21:50.14 | infinity0 | heh |
| 21:50.22 | PyroticShadow | infernix, any other alternate way? |
| 21:50.25 | SpeedyG | infinity0: it's like flipping the coin :D |
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| 21:50.44 | infernix | PyroticShadow: blackbox, openbox, waimea |
| 21:50.51 | infernix | fluxbox |
| 21:51.00 | SpeedyG | flux! |
| 21:51.05 | slept | can someone explain me why the iwatch only watches dir's recursive if they exist when iwatch is startet , it loses it's recursiveness for newly created dirs ... |
| 21:51.38 | geo-rge | slept: that could be a feature or a bug |
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| 21:52.09 | tarzeau | does someone know how to create an outline font from a bitmapped one? |
| 21:52.14 | infinity0 | bah tail doesn't have what i wanted... i want to truncate the first character (".") of the output |
| 21:52.27 | infernix | infinity0: sed 's/^\.//g' |
| 21:52.45 | infinity0 | oh the regexp stuff, cool thanks |
| 21:52.52 | slept | geo-rge, in my case a bug , id it watches the filesystem it should keep doing it .... |
| 21:52.56 | infernix | infinity0: or cut -d'.' -f2- |
| 21:52.58 | Phoenix92x | hi, I'm running etch and it seems that the keys for security.debian.org and ftp.debian.org arent on my system as trusted keys, how can I add them? |
| 21:53.12 | infinity0 | right, cheers :) |
| 21:53.28 | Gm4n | !tell Phoenix92x about no public key |
| 21:53.36 | jelly-home | tarzeau: fontforge + its optional vectorization dependencies |
| 21:55.06 | jelly-home | tarzeau: at least, that's the theory. I spent a couple hours try to get something from the vga font, but didn't have much luck. If your bitmap font is sufficiently large, you might get better results |
| 21:55.07 | infinity0 | infernix: cut -b2- seemed to work, that should be alright too right? |
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| 21:59.22 | infernix | infinity0: yep |
| 21:59.22 | namit | i am looking for a way to monitor uptime of some access points was thinking of just pinging them every 5 min and returning information to logs |
| 21:59.31 | namit | what ya think |
| 21:59.47 | namit | anyone recommend a good way of monitoring a list of ips |
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| 22:00.06 | infernix | namit: nagios, jffnms, opennms, mrtg, cacti |
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| 22:00.30 | jelly-home | namit: that's basically one of the things monitorings apps (like nagios, cacti) do. |
| 22:00.34 | jelly-home | just for fun nms? |
| 22:00.39 | infernix | yup |
| 22:00.47 | jelly-home | eh |
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| 22:01.03 | infernix | its decent, really. its the only thing that can integrate syslog + monitoring + stats |
| 22:01.13 | infernix | well, at least last time i checked (1+ year ago) |
| 22:01.17 | namit | jelly-home: i found nagios such a pain to configure |
| 22:01.29 | infernix | but i prefer opennms nowadays. its big though |
| 22:01.30 | namit | jelly-home: have not looked at the other ones but will do |
| 22:01.33 | jelly-home | namit: it is |
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| 22:02.23 | namit | jelly-home: just because of the hassel of all the different configuration files and all that other stuff, anyway thanks will look at the other ones thanks |
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| 22:02.30 | jelly-home | infernix: i still have some aversion to java |
| 22:02.38 | infernix | jelly-home: really, opennms is good |
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| 22:02.45 | cTATUK | hey |
| 22:02.57 | infernix | and aversion to java? its open now innit |
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| 22:03.18 | jelly-home | not for that, the bloat & slow myth |
| 22:03.22 | aplsin | where can i change the applications menu in gnome 2.18 @ debian testing? |
| 22:03.23 | infernix | many of my customers run java for their webservices |
| 22:03.26 | infernix | myth. |
| 22:03.28 | cTATUK | does anyone know how to permanently disable/remove nm-applet? ..it keeps reappearing after i restart even after killing it, removing from the current session, disabling it, and saving the current session |
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| 22:04.08 | infernix | this one tool handles 150.000 hits a minute, java based tool that querys $db and outputs xml |
| 22:04.27 | wintix | how would one get a list of recently created jpg files on say an xfs filesystem? |
| 22:04.28 | infernix | and we're still only mildly testing it |
| 22:04.40 | infernix | wintix: man find, look for atime|ctime |
| 22:04.53 | wintix | infernix: thank you. will have a look. |
| 22:05.15 | infernix | wintix: possibly mtime. but remember - unix does not keep a "created at $date $time" value on filesystem |
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| 22:05.25 | infernix | e.g. not initial creation time |
| 22:05.42 | wintix | created on the filesystem will do just fine. |
| 22:05.54 | Jkl82 | someone can advice me about a spanish-english translator? |
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| 22:06.08 | infernix | Jkl82: babelfish? |
| 22:06.31 | Jkl82 | infernix, tnx... Im gonna look around. |
| 22:06.46 | jpin | Hi, any suggestions for a program that takes a simple picture from a webcam? the webcam streams fine... |
| 22:07.45 | infernix | jpin: apt-cache search webcam | grep -i image |
| 22:07.48 | Jkl82 | infernix, is GPL? |
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| 22:07.57 | jelly-home | wintix: however, if you take and save snapshots of what files exists at points in time, you can get a pretty good idea when was a file created |
| 22:07.57 | jelly-home | (unless they're renamed) |
| 22:08.10 | infernix | Jkl82: oh wait, a tool? i dunno. i just use web services |
| 22:08.11 | jpin | infernix: thanks man |
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| 22:08.42 | pickcoder | webcam does that |
| 22:08.58 | pickcoder | so does the webcamd |
| 22:09.08 | wintix | i would like to get a list of files which were created ~1 week ago in a specified folder and it's subfolders. i'm currently fighting with the manual. might take some time. |
| 22:09.10 | jelly-home | Jkl82: you could also try google translate |
| 22:09.17 | infinity0 | infernix: thanks :) |
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| 22:09.30 | Jkl82 | well yes.. but I would like something local |
| 22:09.31 | nelf | Why, when I ping an IP address that is the same as what a FQDN resolves to, do I get similar times in ms, but on the FQDN ping, I have a pause of about 1 second between each ping response? |
| 22:09.42 | infinity0 | woo! just ran my first bash shell script and it worked hehe :D |
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| 22:09.54 | nelf | Wheras the the IP address ping comes back quick without the pause |
| 22:10.03 | infernix | wintix: try find /path -mtime -7 |
| 22:10.17 | infernix | possibly add -name \*jpg |
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| 22:11.04 | infernix | it might just be 7 or +7 though. i always confuse those |
| 22:11.04 | pickcoder | nelf: try ping -n <host> |
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| 22:11.38 | jelly-home | nelf: sounds like resolver problems? :-| |
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| 22:12.21 | wintix | infernix: works great. thanks :) |
| 22:12.37 | richd | quick question: to prevent a file from being overwritten or deleted, would i just do 'chmod 0000 ...' or is there something else i want to do? stickybit? something else? |
| 22:12.37 | jelly-home | -7 is 7 days or newer |
| 22:12.41 | nelf | ok - I get no difference with -n ... pickcoder and jelly-home (ie there is no difference between the 2 types of ping) |
| 22:12.47 | DustyBin | im thinking about building a firewall/router/wireless box and installing a linux-based firewall onto it. what kind of software is out up for the job? |
| 22:12.49 | flixil | Hello, aptitude is suposed to install recomended as dependencies when a package is installed for first time, isn't it? |
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| 22:12.56 | nelf | jelly-home: So you mean DNS resolver? |
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| 22:13.16 | jelly-home | nelf: yes |
| 22:13.30 | petemc | richd: chatrr +i |
| 22:13.32 | nelf | Does that mean a resolve occurs between each ping, then, jelly-home, not just on the first one |
| 22:13.37 | richd | petemc: thanks |
| 22:13.41 | richd | ? |
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| 22:13.48 | jelly-home | nelf: indeed, that's my assumption |
| 22:13.53 | petemc | chattr |
| 22:14.09 | Ned_ | Is there any plan to put a copy of libdatetime-perl into volatile for etch with new tzdata ? |
| 22:14.12 | richd | ok, yeah, thanks |
| 22:14.19 | DawnLight | does anyone know how to make a hotkey that switches between metamodes in nvidia proprietary? |
| 22:14.21 | richd | petemc: i was thinking wierd there |
| 22:14.27 | jelly-home | nelf: i might be completely wrong though |
| 22:14.28 | petemc | typo |
| 22:14.29 | pickcoder | nelf: yes.. it sounds like name resolution is slow to respond on your machine |
| 22:14.39 | infernix | nelf: funny. i have that on my laptop sometimes |
| 22:14.41 | nelf | OK, well I can ping another host that is resolved using the same DNS server, and I don't get the same difference between the ping times |
| 22:14.46 | pickcoder | try host <hostname> and see if it responds instantly |
| 22:14.56 | infernix | jelly-home: i don't think (pretty sure) it resolves inbetween pings |
| 22:15.00 | flixil | My aptitude has stoped using recomend as dependencies, and i dont have /etc/apt/apt.conf nor ~/.aptitude/config |
| 22:15.01 | pickcoder | ah... ipv6 |
| 22:15.04 | pickcoder | could be |
| 22:15.09 | jelly-home | yes, a great debian default |
| 22:15.14 | infernix | i am ipv6 enabled yeah, and my AICCU tunnel isnt always up |
| 22:15.23 | infernix | probably it, i'll look at that |
| 22:15.35 | PyroticShadow | gahhhhh |
| 22:15.42 | PyroticShadow | fluxbox, blackbox, xfce, NOTHING will install >.> |
| 22:15.52 | PyroticShadow | every one has unmet dependencies... .... . .. .. |
| 22:15.56 | nelf | pickcoder, jelly-home: It's not DNS |
| 22:15.56 | infernix | PyroticShadow: what on earth did you do to sources.list |
| 22:16.05 | infernix | PyroticShadow: and how are you installing them? |
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| 22:16.22 | jelly-home | nelf: what was it then? :-) |
| 22:16.24 | PyroticShadow | infernix, I just added the repository that it asked for, apt-get install "xfce4" etc. |
| 22:16.37 | nelf | pickcoder: host <hostname> is super quick |
| 22:16.46 | nelf | jelly-home: I don't know - It's just definitely not DNS :) |
| 22:16.50 | infernix | PyroticShadow: added the repository? can you put your sources.list in a pastebin? |
| 22:17.06 | jelly-home | nelf: "host" command doesn't to the same thing as gethostbyname() |
| 22:17.11 | pickcoder | it could be the server |
| 22:17.14 | pickcoder | on the other end |
| 22:17.19 | PyroticShadow | infernix, there isn't much in there, so I'll just type it here... |
| 22:17.42 | jelly-home | nelf: can you pastebin some 100 or so lines of strace ping whatever? |
| 22:17.42 | infernix | PyroticShadow: don't flood, though. |
| 22:17.47 | PyroticShadow | #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 22:17.49 | PyroticShadow | no, i won't. |
| 22:18.01 | infernix | jelly-home: i'lll boot my lappy and see if i can reproduce, too |
| 22:18.05 | jelly-home | nelf: (you need to run it as root else ping won't work with strace) |
| 22:18.10 | PyroticShadow | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r6a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary -1 (20070422)$ |
| 22:18.20 | nelf | jelly-home: No, but if I ping a host that is resolved by the same DNS server, I don't get the same differential between IP address and FQDN ping |
| 22:18.28 | PyroticShadow | deb http://security.debian.org/ dtable/updates main contrib |
| 22:18.44 | PyroticShadow | deb http://www2.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~beier/code/debian/xfce-4.4.1 ./ |
| 22:18.45 | PyroticShadow | and thats it |
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| 22:18.50 | null | Hello, what is more secure, imap-tls(port 143) or imap-ssl(port 993)? |
| 22:18.54 | groogs[laptop] | I just upgraded from sarge to etch, and 2.6.8 to 2.6.18. I have a raid1 bootable setup. I followed all the instructions dpkg showed me about setting up mdadm.conf and running initramfs .. but I can't get it to boot. It says "Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ... Done. Mount: Mounting /dev/hda1 on /root failed: Device or resource busy", and I get a busybox shell. /dev/hda1 is part of... |
| 22:18.55 | groogs[laptop] | .../dev/md0, which is being assembled properly. Any ideas? |
| 22:18.58 | infernix | PyroticShadow: you need to remove the cdrom and add a web repository. and why are you adding that xfce repos? is it for sarge? |
| 22:19.09 | jelly-home | nelf: I still think it's a resolver problem, even though the DNS server seems to be fine. :-) |
| 22:19.12 | nelf | jelly-home: Is it still worth me pasting strace ping if I get the same effect pinging from a machine in portugal and a machine in the states, or are you looking for local probs? |
| 22:19.27 | infernix | PyroticShadow: something along the lines of deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 22:19.44 | jelly-home | nelf: hm. |
| 22:20.10 | infernix | groogs[laptop]: why is it mounting hda1? it should be mounting md0, right? |
| 22:20.13 | jelly-home | nelf: well maybe both machines are misconfigured the same way, so yes :-) |
| 22:20.16 | infernix | groogs[laptop]: is your root=/dev/XXX flag correct? |
| 22:20.36 | nelf | jelly-home: I like the way your brain works :) |
| 22:20.41 | PyroticShadow | k. and what WM is that repository for? |
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| 22:21.01 | jelly-home | nelf: "it _must_ be the user's fault" |
| 22:21.29 | groogs[laptop] | infernix: ah, that might be it, it was /dev/hda1 |
| 22:21.31 | infernix | PyroticShadow: i don't know why you added that xfce repos. i don't think you should |
| 22:21.34 | nelf | jelly-home: I thought the whole internet was broken for a minute there |
| 22:21.37 | SpeedyG | grrrr fucking M$-idiots :( |
| 22:21.56 | jelly-home | nelf: i can try it here if you give me your ip and fqdn |
| 22:21.56 | PyroticShadow | ah ok so what WM is that repo for? |
| 22:21.58 | SpeedyG | forced-install of live-messenger, and after that a forced reboot to be able to use it :/ |
| 22:21.58 | PyroticShadow | blackbox / fluxbox ? |
| 22:22.07 | groogs[laptop] | infernix: ah yep, looks like it is booting now. thanks |
| 22:22.09 | infernix | PyroticShadow: xfce. i hope oyu didnt install it, that repos is for etch |
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| 22:22.37 | PyroticShadow | no, I added it to my repos, shouldn't I have? |
| 22:22.46 | infernix | jelly-home: i can reproduce the lag ping here. |
| 22:23.39 | jelly-home | !disable ipv6 |
| 22:23.45 | jelly-home | dpkg, you know nothing |
| 22:24.00 | PyroticShadow | I think I got it, I might be back later infernix thanks for the help |
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| 22:24.05 | infernix | jelly-home: strace -c or -T? |
| 22:24.06 | nelf | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/37050 |
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| 22:24.19 | xst | How do I cut the first N bytes away from a binary file? |
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| 22:24.27 | geo-rge | PyroticShadow: so what's this interweb thing? |
| 22:24.44 | infernix | PyroticShadow: no you shouldn't have. remove that repos and the cdrom thing, then apt-get update && apt-get -f install |
| 22:25.05 | infernix | PyroticShadow: if that didnt fix things you need to manually remove some of the packages that got downloaded and installed from that etch xfce repos |
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| 22:25.24 | tj2 | hi :) |
| 22:25.49 | nelf | jelly-home: It's 86.54.82.146 and www.hippbabyclub.co.uk |
| 22:25.54 | richd | exit |
| 22:25.57 | geo-rge | now that your net is up, what is this other thing you're trying to get working? or is "interweb" just another name for "my networking which works now"? |
| 22:26.00 | richd | doh, not my shell... |
| 22:26.04 | richd | haha |
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| 22:26.12 | namit | i seam to have a port open "tcp 0 0 *:20000 *:* LISTEN 2387/perl" put not sure how to investicate what its doing |
| 22:26.13 | nelf | jelly-home: as I'm sure you can see from the paste |
| 22:26.24 | jelly-home | infernix: not -c, but some -t could be nice |
| 22:26.32 | jelly-home | nelf: nothing, it was cut too early |
| 22:26.52 | jelly-home | nelf: didn't get to the pinging part :-) |
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| 22:29.53 | infernix | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/696480 |
| 22:29.56 | nelf | jelly-home: Next 200 lines http://paste.debian.net/37051 |
| 22:29.58 | Mr-R | namit: try lsof |
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| 22:33.04 | jelly-home | nelf: looks like you have avahi (mdns) installed ... any mention of mdns in /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
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| 22:33.26 | infernix | jelly-home: i have that too. this is a freshly installed etch laptop |
| 22:33.27 | flixil | Good night pple |
| 22:33.34 | infernix | 4261 read(4, "-15 Timeout reached\n", 1024) = 20 <5.000810> |
| 22:33.43 | infernix | 4261 write(4, "RESOLVE-ADDRESS 62.69.184.230\n", 30) = 30 <0.000179> |
| 22:33.59 | nelf | jelly-home: Not on the local machine, no |
| 22:33.59 | jelly-home | infernix: I think some gnome crap brings that as a dependency :-| |
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| 22:34.28 | infernix | argh |
| 22:34.28 | nelf | jelly-home: hang on - picked the wrong little window |
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| 22:34.46 | infernix | libnss-mdns |
| 22:35.10 | nelf | jelly-home: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 22:35.24 | jelly-home | bingo |
| 22:35.26 | infernix | is libnss-mdns really needed? |
| 22:35.46 | esaym | How do I see how much space a group of files takes up on the disk? So not just "file size" but the "size on disk" |
| 22:35.50 | infernix | i wonder why it gets installed by default on etch |
| 22:35.50 | Wyzard | It's needed for resolving ".local" mDNS hostnames |
| 22:35.51 | jelly-home | it's related to zeroconf afair |
| 22:35.55 | Wyzard | Other than that, no |
| 22:36.13 | Wyzard | It doesn't look like it's causing a problem in nelf's case though |
| 22:36.20 | nelf | jelly-home: Aha! Right - what the hell is that doing there, and what do I do to get rid of it, or shall I merely ignore the affect and drink more beer? |
| 22:36.21 | infernix | ok lets see what stuff depends on that lib |
| 22:36.35 | Wyzard | nelf: What's the problem you're having? |
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| 22:37.02 | jelly-home | nelf: well, you could try removing the package mentions, or just put hosts line back to just "files dns" |
| 22:37.26 | jelly-home | (who mentions? what am I drinking?) |
| 22:37.28 | infernix | i just purged libnss-mdns and avahi-daemon |
| 22:37.36 | infernix | no problems here |
| 22:37.51 | jelly-home | Wyzard: faster ns lookups |
| 22:37.57 | simmerz | does anyone know of a good howto for nas audio? |
| 22:38.07 | nelf | Wyzard: Very long pauses between ping returns when pinging a FQDN, but normal when pinging IP address (the time returned by ping is the same in both cases) |
| 22:38.47 | Wyzard | libnss-mdnss shouldn't do that... as I understand it, that "mdns4_minimal" module only handles ".local" names, and skips everything else |
| 22:38.57 | infernix | Wyzard: it's avahi-daemon causing it |
| 22:39.06 | jelly-home | Wyzard: well, then it's a bug |
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| 22:39.28 | Wyzard | so if you're pinging something that isn't ".local", there's no extra delay aside from a few milliseconds to call a function which just looks at a string and returns immediately |
| 22:39.31 | infernix | and to purge avahi-daemon one must purge that libnss-mdns |
| 22:39.50 | jelly-home | I've removed it here because we do have foo.bar.local names in DNS |
| 22:40.14 | Wyzard | avahi-daemon isn't even involved in DNS lookups afaik, except when libnss-mdns asks it |
| 22:40.47 | jelly-home | Wyzard: that's theory, but the strace bit at http://paste.debian.net/37051 tells a different story |
| 22:41.23 | Alumin | anybody here use SASL? I'm trying to set up SMTP AUTH in Postfix in Etch...where do I put the smtpd.conf file (it doesn't seem to work in /usr/lib/sasl2) |
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| 22:41.42 | Wyzard | jelly-home: That doesn't have any timestamps, so I don't see how you can conclude that the mdns4_minimal module is causing the delay |
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| 22:42.05 | nelf | Changing the hosts: line in nsswitch.conf to files.dns certainly stops the long pauses, jelly-home , Wyzard infernix |
| 22:42.07 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I can guess. |
| 22:42.19 | nelf | And no jokes about the long paws |
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| 22:42.56 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Unless the actually is a significant delay somewhere among lines 19-26, I see nothing wrong with that strace |
| 22:42.57 | PrinceAMD | hi all good nigh /day |
| 22:43.16 | jelly-home | Wyzard: note that it _does_ call avahi-daemon. |
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| 22:43.35 | PrinceAMD | i am having a problem with sound when i run alsaconf to select my pci sound card , after selecting it all sound cards disapare |
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| 22:43.43 | PrinceAMD | Gwildor, hey bro sups |
| 22:44.18 | Wyzard | jelly-home: That's after it tries libnss_dns and /etc/hosts -- the "mdns4" entry at the end of the line in /etc/nsswitch.conf, rather than the "mdns4_minimal" at the beginning |
| 22:44.43 | Wyzard | jelly-home: That's the fallback for a non-".local" hostname that isn't in DNS or the hosts file -- try to resolve it via mDNS as a last resort |
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| 22:46.16 | Wyzard | jelly-home: If it's even reaching that point, the regular DNS lookup has already failed, and *that's* where the problem lies |
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| 22:46.47 | infernix | Wyzard: http://pastebin.ca/696480 shows the delay. ive made entries. removing libnss-mdns and avaihi-daemon did fix it. |
| 22:46.53 | mackss | hello |
| 22:47.00 | infernix | and unless the purging of libnss-mdns updates /etc/nsswitch.conf, there were no such entries there |
| 22:47.03 | nelf | Wyzard: So it's a DNS problem? I can ping a different host that is resolved by the same authorative name server and I don't get the delay |
| 22:47.16 | infernix | but it does seem to update it - mtime on nsswitch is 15mins ago |
| 22:47.33 | Wyzard | nelf: Rather than using ping, try the "dig" command from the dnsutils package -- that just contacts the DNS server directly, without going through nsswitch or anything |
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| 22:47.56 | mackss | can someone tell me what this means when i do apt-get upgrade? The following packages have been kept back: |
| 22:47.57 | mackss | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.18 | nelf | Wyzard: Superfast 3ms (well, quite fast) |
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| 22:49.00 | mackss | does it mean it needs me to reboot for the new linux image to load? |
| 22:49.04 | Gwildor | mackss, afaik, it means for some reason, its not going to install/upgrade that package |
| 22:49.15 | Wyzard | infernix: Which line is the delay on? |
| 22:49.18 | jelly-home | Wyzard: well, even if dns failed, it's still mdns lookup that causes the 5s delay |
| 22:49.18 | EvilDin | hi, which packet do i need, that i will get support for php function imagefilter() |
| 22:49.29 | jelly-home | Wyzard: 195 |
| 22:49.29 | infernix | Wyzard: i added text, search for Hellooooo lag: |
| 22:49.32 | mackss | Gwildor: could it be possible that it's already installed and i just never rebooted for it to go into place? |
| 22:49.45 | Gwildor | nah |
| 22:49.50 | nelf | jelly-home, Wyzard Its not the DNS :) |
| 22:49.50 | Gwildor | is that a dist-upgrade? |
| 22:50.09 | nelf | jelly-home, Wyzard - well, not the DNS server, anyway :) |
| 22:50.12 | mackss | Gwildor: i just did a apt-get update then apt-get upgrade |
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| 22:50.16 | binary010 | hey all |
| 22:50.25 | namit | Mr-R: thanks for that found that its to do with webmin but i removed webmin ages ago |
| 22:50.32 | jelly-home | Wyzard: er, 197 :-) you're right, the resolver does try mDNS last (like it should) |
| 22:50.33 | Gwildor | mackss, see what apt-get dist-upgrade does |
| 22:50.39 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Even for a nonexistent domain, it shouldn't reach that point because the DNS server would return an authoritative "no such domain" |
| 22:50.57 | Wyzard | jelly-home: The mDNS fallback is only if the DNS server either doesn't respond or says "I don't know" |
| 22:50.58 | mackss | Gwildor: but i don't want to install any testing stuff. I just want debian stable |
| 22:51.01 | binary010 | Anyone here have experiance with bind running from home on cablebox please msg me..need help |
| 22:51.04 | Mr-R | namit: and now you killed the script? |
| 22:51.28 | namit | Mr-R: na should probable do that |
| 22:51.31 | petemc | binary010: i run bind, not sure what you mean by cablebox |
| 22:51.35 | mackss | Gwildor: how do i find out what current linux image/version i am using? |
| 22:51.59 | binary010 | petemc: cablebox like your internet connection |
| 22:52.14 | Mr-R | namit: it should not break something. and every port closed to the world is a good port. (or something like that...) |
| 22:52.14 | petemc | binary010: ok, why does that matter? |
| 22:52.41 | mackss | Gwildor: i haven't rebooted in a while and vaguely remember the linux image asking me to reboot as soon as possible which i chose not to because of other things going on. I am scared if i reboot now the box won't come back online |
| 22:52.49 | binary010 | petemc: just want to how i can do it..and how to point it from godaddy to my linux box |
| 22:52.50 | jelly-home | Wyzard: maybe it did say gee, dunno. I can't parse the response in line 170 manually :-) |
| 22:53.05 | x_link | Hi, I have a list that I have mad in Kedit, is there any program that can remake that list so it will be in alfabetic order? |
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| 22:53.16 | x_link | You have to excuse my english. |
| 22:53.20 | namit | when you apt-get remove something should it not stop all processess that its related to? |
| 22:53.27 | Gwildor | mackss, oh, if youve upgraded kernel before without a reboot.. that could be the cause... whats you uptime mackss |
| 22:53.30 | petemc | binary010: you dont have a static address? |
| 22:53.41 | Wyzard | nelf: Removing mdns4 from nsswitch.conf is covering up a symptom without understanding the actual problem... I'd look into why the regular DNS resolver module is failing in the first place |
| 22:53.44 | mackss | Gwildor: 118 days |
| 22:53.56 | nelf | Wyzard: I'm thinking about that |
| 22:54.04 | binary010 | petemc: technically it's not static but the ip haven't changed in a year |
| 22:54.06 | Wyzard | nelf: and mdns4_minimal (for .local stuff only) is unrelated |
| 22:54.26 | Gwildor | mackss, hehe, sure, reboot... kill your uptime! |
| 22:54.37 | mackss | :( |
| 22:54.43 | petemc | binary010: so tell godaddy to use that ip as the ns for the domain |
| 22:54.45 | mackss | Gwildor: just type reboot? |
| 22:54.57 | nelf | Wyzard: I've got a sneaking suspicion that something pretty evil is going on somewhere. |
| 22:54.58 | Gwildor | i reboot -now...i think. |
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| 22:55.08 | binary010 | petemc: so what are the zone i need in my named.conf |
| 22:55.11 | jelly-home | Wyzard: still, it's avahi-daemon that's being waited for 5 secs. if it wasn't configured, ping wouldn't delay. |
| 22:55.20 | jelly-home | s/for/for for/ |
| 22:55.21 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about... I can look up that hostname with dig and get an answer immediately, so it doesn't make sense that the DNS resolver would fail and fall through to mdns4 |
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| 22:55.38 | Wyzard | jelly-home: agreed, but it's not fair to blame Avahi for a problem with the normal DNS resolver |
| 22:55.46 | mackss | Gwildor: or should i do shutdown -r |
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| 22:55.59 | petemc | binary010: standard zone file, with the names and ips you need.. |
| 22:56.07 | jelly-home | 192.168.0.1 could be a crappy DSL/cable router with flaky DNS proxy |
| 22:56.09 | nelf | Wyzard: I can ping a different domain resolved by the same DNS server and it doesn't do the same thing |
| 22:56.15 | binary010 | petemc: i have the port forwarded on the router..i edited named.conf and added domain.com zone and the db.domain |
| 22:56.17 | Gwildor | mackss, whickever you perfer |
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| 22:56.36 | Wyzard | nelf: What's the IP of the DNS server you're using? If it's publicly-accessible, I'd like to try running dig against it |
| 22:56.39 | jelly-home | nelf: are you using 192.168.0.1 as the dns server? |
| 22:56.50 | rdz | hi. how can i create a regexp, that matches all but 'bildli'? |
| 22:56.52 | petemc | binary010: ok, does it work? |
| 22:57.06 | jelly-home | nelf: is that the one configured in your /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 22:57.07 | namit | why is it that when i do a apt-get remove mailman it does not remove startup script in rc2.d |
| 22:57.23 | nelf | jelly-home: bollox - I am . |
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| 22:57.31 | Gwildor | namit, me thinks you need a purge to remove all configs |
| 22:57.31 | nelf | damn |
| 22:57.52 | nelf | jelly-home, Wyzard: I really hope I haven't just wasted your time |
| 22:57.52 | namit | Gwildor: yes tried apt-get remove mailman --purge |
| 22:57.57 | jelly-home | nelf: and it works when asking it for 62.69.184.230? |
| 22:58.28 | nelf | yeah. 194.164.97.10 is what I thought I was using, and its recursive |
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| 22:59.03 | binary010 | petemc: i'm gonna post a link to you tell me if it looks right to you... http://www.mathbin.net/13603 |
| 22:59.09 | jelly-home | Host 230.184.69.62.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) here |
| 22:59.11 | nelf | Shite. |
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| 22:59.44 | mackss | Gwildor: is the proper command 'shutdown -r now'? |
| 22:59.52 | nelf | Damn... the internet isn't all broke - it's the damn user again |
| 22:59.54 | slept | in xml i have an exec ="echo > " how do I get the parser to understand that this > is not xml but a command it should "ignore " |
| 23:00.05 | jelly-home | what's notable is that my dsl router is crappy too, and does not return the negative result either ;-) |
| 23:00.09 | petemc | binary010: that zone file doesnt look right |
| 23:00.28 | nelf | right: So it's reverse DNS |
| 23:00.32 | Gwildor | mackss, man, i havent done that in so long... i do it from entrance...i suppsoe that will work. |
| 23:01.20 | resuDaed | hi, quick non-debian specific question ... I have just created a sw raid 5 array over 4 disks, then rebooted to verify that it would still be there ... /proc/mdstat shows one disk down, but is recovering ... is that just because of the reboot before the array was completed? |
| 23:01.27 | binary010 | petemc: what am i doing wrong ? |
| 23:01.28 | Wyzard | resuDaed: yes |
| 23:01.32 | mackss | Gwildor: well that worked... it surprisingly wasn't 'shutdown -r -t now' which the man stated it should be |
| 23:01.43 | nelf | jelly-home: Or rather it's bad resolver on rubbish router not handling reverse DNS properly |
| 23:01.47 | EvilDin | um anyone have any idea, how could i make php function imagefilter do working on debian? I already installed php5-gd, but in doc write that function require: This function is only available if PHP is compiled with the bundled version of the GD library., What can i do? |
| 23:01.47 | Gwildor | mackss, im fairly certain i jsut use shutdown now |
| 23:01.49 | Wyzard | resuDaed: If you shut down while the array is rebuilding, it has to start over when you boot up again |
| 23:02.00 | petemc | binary010: name IN A ipaddr |
| 23:02.08 | resuDaed | Wyzard : so after reconstruction has finished I should *in theory* see four disks running [UUUU] not [UUU_] ? |
| 23:02.18 | petemc | binary010: named-checkzone |
| 23:02.19 | Wyzard | resuDaed: correct |
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| 23:02.38 | jelly-home | nelf: nah, my router is known to be bad; I've installed pdnsd and am using the ISP's dns directly instead |
| 23:02.41 | resuDaed | Wyzard : thanks, paranoia over, time to start shifting some data |
| 23:03.20 | Alumin | ok, now I have SASL mostly working I think, but I'm still getting authentication failures |
| 23:03.25 | Wyzard | resuDaed: I'd wait for the rebuild to finish before deleting any important files from their old location, just to be safe |
| 23:03.44 | jelly-home | pdnsd was more useful to prevent dial-on-disaster when I had ISDN |
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| 23:03.58 | Wyzard | resuDaed: Also, I always do a full surface scan of a new hard drive prior to using it to store anything |
| 23:03.59 | Alumin | I used saslpasswd2 to add myself to the sasldb file, but I still get "password verification failed" in mail.log when I try to smtp auth |
| 23:03.59 | nelf | jelly-home, Wyzard - So the symptoms I've had are caused by a not so great resolver, not propagating the lack of reverse DNS properly - have I go that right? |
| 23:04.43 | mackss | Gwildor: it rebooted properly! :D |
| 23:04.45 | jelly-home | nelf: that + avahi-daemon being installed. you'd have shorter timeouts if it wasn't there |
| 23:05.04 | Wyzard | nelf: yes, compounded by libnss-mdns trying to compensate for the bad DNS result by re-doing the query using mDNS |
| 23:05.19 | resuDaed | Wyzard : I wasn't going to delete anything, it's just the only copy of the data currently resides on a single IDE disk (that'll eventually be the backup medium for the array), just rather get myself with safe data asap |
| 23:05.20 | Wyzard | nelf: I'd fix the DNS problem and keep mDNS around |
| 23:05.28 | Wyzard | resuDaed: ah, ok |
| 23:05.34 | Gwildor | mackss, woohoo |
| 23:05.45 | nelf | Wyzard: absolutely - I'm flabbergasted that theres no reverse DNS on that. |
| 23:05.56 | mackss | Gwildor: should i upgrade the packages it wants to upgrade now?" |
| 23:06.08 | resuDaed | Wyzard : all four hdds also suffered about 3 days of badblocks after their travels |
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| 23:06.28 | Wyzard | resuDaed: badblocks is OK, but the drive's own self-test procedure is preferable |
| 23:06.45 | Gwildor | mackss, thats up to you man..... its your box.....i do...unless for some reason i KNOW i DO NOT want the package....whats the box do? |
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| 23:07.04 | mackss | Gwildor: http://pastebin.com/d3e116fca |
| 23:07.17 | mackss | it still says that the linux-image was held back. wtf? |
| 23:07.21 | adrian15 | I am reading: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/356 to make 32 applications to work on my 64 system but I do not want to run mplayer but secondlife that it is an X application. Does any one knows what I have to install or a more complete tutorial ? Thank you. |
| 23:07.23 | Wyzard | resuDaed: smartctl -t long /dev/foo; wait a while; smartctl -l selftest /dev/foo |
| 23:07.28 | Gwildor | mackss, dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:07.31 | nelf | jelly-home, Wyzard: You are like soft warm cushions on the lumpy bed of the internet. May you ever be well stuffed. Thank you so much for your time |
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| 23:07.37 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 23:07.46 | mackss | Gwildor: wouldn't dist-upgrade switch me the testing/unstable? |
| 23:07.49 | null | Hello, I wanto to update etch to sarge but before one question, if I have a cutom kernel on sarge, using apt-get dist-upgrade when the server boots, boots with debian kernel or with my own? |
| 23:08.07 | Gwildor | mackss, nope, not unless you change the repos |
| 23:08.20 | petemc | null: whichever the bootloader is configured to try first |
| 23:08.21 | Mr-R | mackss: try "aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686" that should resolve all dependencies |
| 23:08.23 | resuDaed | Wyzard : cheers, will put that one down for next time |
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| 23:08.46 | mackss | Gwildor: should i upgrade what it wants to now and then do the dist-upgrade? |
| 23:09.18 | mackss | Mr-R: can you explain to me what actually is going on? I just don't understand why it's holding it back. |
| 23:09.26 | Wyzard | resuDaed: You can do it while the disk is in active use, (though it takes longer and may reduce the disk's performance a bit) -- consider doing it once the rebuild finishes |
| 23:09.53 | Gwildor | mackss, i do, upgrade -> dist-upgrade -> upgrade -> dist-upgrade.... till it doesnt give me anything else to upgrade |
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| 23:10.02 | Mr-R | mackss: i assume that apt is holding back the package because there is some unmet dependency |
| 23:10.06 | Gwildor | mackss, but, im weird, i guess |
| 23:10.11 | resuDaed | Wyzard : ok, thanks |
| 23:10.51 | mackss | Mr-R: I never use aptitude but is that command equivalent to the apt dist-upgrade? |
| 23:11.18 | mackss | Gwildor: i think you live near me ;-) |
| 23:11.20 | Wyzard | mackss: You're supposed to use aptitude for an upgrade to etch, not apt-get |
| 23:11.24 | null | petemc: ahh okey, thank you |
| 23:11.30 | Mr-R | mackss: nope. ups. did not see the apt. what release of debian do you use? |
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| 23:11.48 | Wyzard | mackss: aptitude handles certain dependency-resolution issues better than apt-get, apparently |
| 23:11.52 | null | Wyzard: the best way on etch is to use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 23:11.52 | mackss | How do i find out my debian version? |
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| 23:12.16 | Gwildor | Wyzard, if never used aptitude |
| 23:12.17 | Wyzard | null: According to the etch release notes, aptitude should be used rather than apt-get |
| 23:12.20 | Mr-R | mackss: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:12.50 | Wyzard | null: or rather, the installation manual, I think |
| 23:13.01 | stormfrog | I have a question about Wordpress, its specific to debian because I am installing with apt-get packet manager and I am very curious if someone here has tried to install Wordpress? |
| 23:13.27 | azeem | stormfrog: try #debian |
| 23:13.31 | azeem | eh, nm |
| 23:13.37 | mackss | Mr-R: /etc/debian_version: Permission denied |
| 23:13.37 | mackss | doh |
| 23:13.37 | stormfrog | azeem: hehe |
| 23:13.49 | mackss | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:13.49 | mackss | 4.0 |
| 23:13.58 | null | Wyzard: thanks, is a hard process to update sarge to etch? |
| 23:14.10 | Mr-R | mackss: ok. try aptitude upgrade instead of apt-get upgrade |
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| 23:14.32 | mackss | Mr-R: just type 'Aptitude upgrade" ? |
| 23:14.35 | Wyzard | null: dunno, I haven't done it |
| 23:14.42 | Mr-R | mackss: yes. with small a |
| 23:14.57 | Wyzard | mackss, null: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 23:15.25 | Wyzard | mackss, null: More specifically, http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-upgradingpackages |
| 23:15.46 | null | thanks |
| 23:16.26 | Mr-R | mackss: are you in the middle of a dist upgrade from a previous debian version? |
| 23:16.34 | mackss | Mr-R: http://pastebin.com/d4035aa71 |
| 23:16.39 | mackss | Mr-R: i am not sure |
| 23:16.48 | mackss | :( |
| 23:17.02 | Gwildor | what version did you install ont eh box? |
| 23:17.16 | stormfrog | Anyway - a very general question then: The people that created the debian package for wordpress also made a script that makes no sense (its supposed to set up a wordpress database): Anyway it is something like this "setup-mysql -n user", and the explanation for the -n option is "-n name for the mysql user and database |
| 23:17.21 | stormfrog | " |
| 23:17.26 | Mr-R | mackss: ok. first, do the upgrade as shown on your pastebin |
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| 23:17.38 | stormfrog | How can one argument be both sql name AND database name?? |
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| 23:18.14 | Mr-R | mackss: and then use "aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686". and then reboot |
| 23:18.36 | Wyzard | stormfrog: That's fairly common, I think -- you'd have, say, a database called "wordpress", and a database user called "wordpress" which is used for logging into it |
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| 23:19.05 | mackss | Mr-R: ok that upgraded that stuff fine...now i am running 'aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686'? |
| 23:19.14 | Mr-R | mackss: yes |
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| 23:19.41 | stormfrog | Wyzard: great... as long as someone tells me it makes sense I am more than happy :) |
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| 23:21.11 | mackss | Mr-R: http://pastebin.com/d7a0283fd |
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| 23:21.37 | mackss | Wyzard: thanks |
| 23:21.52 | Mr-R | mackss: looks good |
| 23:22.03 | Mr-R | mackss: install the kernel update |
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| 23:23.51 | Mr-R | mackss: local box or remote? :) |
| 23:26.16 | troubled | "Debian win32-loader Goes Official", What happens if your running a dynamic disk? |
| 23:27.20 | mackss | Mr-R: remote |
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| 23:28.02 | Mr-R | mackss: ok. and what does "uname -a" say? |
| 23:28.07 | Supaplex | troubled: oh? cool! I run a mirror at www.goodbye-windows.com btw. |
| 23:28.32 | Nyle | Supaplex: i been trying to find you for a while |
| 23:28.41 | Supaplex | troubled: has it gone official? |
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| 23:28.58 | EvilDin | how could i install php from source code, so that i would be able to compile it, but still when compiled would debian do package ? |
| 23:29.01 | Supaplex | Nyle: sup stoned :) |
| 23:29.02 | troubled | Supaplex: thats what the title reads |
| 23:29.10 | mackss | Mr-R: http://pastebin.com/d447a9dac |
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| 23:30.11 | Gwildor | ur all good mackss |
| 23:30.19 | troubled | Supaplex: i would assume it only works on basic disks. But I am curious if it does the check for dynamic before it does anything with the fs |
| 23:30.21 | Daveman | troubled! |
| 23:30.29 | Daveman | Supaplex :D |
| 23:30.31 | troubled | Daveman! |
| 23:30.32 | mackss | Mr-R: Linux debian 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:30.33 | Daveman | IT IS I! |
| 23:30.38 | Daveman | BEHOLD. |
| 23:30.44 | mackss | Gwildor: how do you know? :D |
| 23:30.51 | Daveman | heh |
| 23:31.02 | Daveman | he senses the force |
| 23:31.04 | Mr-R | mackss: looks good, too. try to reboot |
| 23:31.15 | mackss | ok |
| 23:31.22 | mackss | or should i upgrade again? |
| 23:31.27 | Supaplex | troubled: the win32 loader installs grub chainloaded to ntldr/bootmgr |
| 23:31.33 | Gwildor | oh, well, i meant, that upgrade went smooth.. |
| 23:31.38 | Mr-R | mackss: aptitude apgrade should return zero packets |
| 23:31.41 | Gwildor | try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:31.44 | Mr-R | mackss: ehm upgrade |
| 23:32.10 | mackss | ya 0 |
| 23:32.14 | mackss | ok i am going to reboot |
| 23:32.14 | troubled | Supaplex: ah. so basically you would reboot into an install to find out it cant do anything? |
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| 23:32.23 | mackss | cross your fingers for me :-x |
| 23:32.30 | mackss | please |
| 23:32.39 | Mr-R | mackss: you should reboot to use your shiny new kernel... :) |
| 23:33.08 | mackss | i am scared but ok |
| 23:33.10 | mackss | ... |
| 23:33.24 | maddash | why do I need a userspace component to use a WPA/2 AP? |
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| 23:33.55 | maddash | it's so annoying to have to `wpa_supplicant [blah]` everytime. Makes me want to switch back to WEP. |
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| 23:38.33 | simonrvn | !tell Bluebit_ -about root |
| 23:38.52 | Gwildor | awwww |
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| 23:43.01 | Supaplex | troubled: yes. it's non-invasive until you start installing, so if it won't work, you can back out and uninstall. it uses the netboot version of the installer, so it's pretty easy overall. |
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| 23:46.07 | rich7195 | hi |
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| 23:46.44 | rich7195 | i have a bit of a problem |
| 23:46.47 | rich7195 | can someone please help me? |
| 23:46.54 | Supaplex | not unless you ask |
| 23:46.58 | rich7195 | well |
| 23:46.59 | Supaplex | !tell rich7195 -about ask |
| 23:47.12 | rich7195 | i have a pc that i want to install debian on |
| 23:47.20 | rich7195 | i burned the netinst cd |
| 23:47.30 | rich7195 | and put it in and start |
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| 23:47.32 | Supaplex | ok. |
| 23:47.42 | rich7195 | and i press escape, brings up boot menu |
| 23:47.50 | rich7195 | then i pick my cd/dvd drive |
| 23:47.54 | rich7195 | and it briefly spins |
| 23:47.59 | rich7195 | and appears to be about to load the cd |
| 23:48.08 | dgtlpulse2k | anyone ever do a net install on a dell d620? |
| 23:48.09 | rich7195 | then it stops doing that and loads windows |
| 23:48.22 | rich7195 | i tried disconnecting the hard drive |
| 23:48.24 | Supaplex | so it's not booting the cd |
| 23:48.34 | rich7195 | same thing only instead of loading windows it gives me an error |
| 23:48.36 | rich7195 | now |
| 23:48.39 | rich7195 | i reconnected the hdd |
| 23:48.41 | rich7195 | and i downloaded |
| 23:48.45 | rich7195 | freebsd 6.2 |
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| 23:48.47 | rich7195 | gentoo |
| 23:48.51 | rich7195 | slackware |
| 23:48.57 | rich7195 | and the debian full dvds |
| 23:49.04 | rich7195 | and the ONLY one that will boot from disc |
| 23:49.05 | rich7195 | is the slack |
| 23:49.23 | dgtlpulse2k | can someone answer a question regarding kernel recompile in debian etch |
| 23:49.30 | Supaplex | rich7195: is windows still installed? try www.goodbye-windows.com |
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| 23:49.54 | Gwildor | nice catch Supaplex :D |
| 23:50.00 | rich7195 | but |
| 23:50.03 | rich7195 | technically |
| 23:50.09 | rich7195 | this is all happening in bios isnt it |
| 23:50.19 | rich7195 | windows ought not to have any bearing on this |
| 23:50.20 | Supaplex | dgtlpulse2k: sure. we're lousy mind readers, so try asking. |
| 23:50.31 | dgtlpulse2k | lol |
| 23:50.32 | dgtlpulse2k | sorry |
| 23:50.39 | dgtlpulse2k | i just didn't want to plow in the door |
| 23:50.42 | Supaplex | rich7195: bios/media/controller/drive |
| 23:50.45 | en1gma | hey all i was just thinking about something..."i know oh noooo" but i install and fool around with debian install so much...what needs to be done to have my linux box install from my windows box |
| 23:50.50 | Supaplex | !tell dgtlpulse2k -about ask |
| 23:51.09 | rich7195 | supa im confused |
| 23:51.17 | rich7195 | the mobo is a foxconn p9767aa |
| 23:51.25 | rich7195 | its a core2duo e6400 |
| 23:51.30 | rich7195 | 2 x 512 ddr2 |
| 23:51.37 | rich7195 | 320gb WD sata hdd |
| 23:51.47 | Mr-R | mackss: please talk to me. (private message send)... |
| 23:51.48 | rich7195 | lite-on dvdrw/cdrw |
| 23:51.51 | Supaplex | rich7195: strange. that all sounds modern enough to handle a bootable cd... |
| 23:51.59 | rich7195 | i know, right? |
| 23:52.03 | mackss | Mr-R: shit sorry i was eating dinner |
| 23:52.05 | en1gma | can i setup a debian sid rsync server on my windows box so when i want to install sid on my linux box it will go straight to my windows box and pull the files i select? |
| 23:52.07 | mackss | Mr-R: Yes |
| 23:52.14 | Mr-R | mackss: its working? |
| 23:52.15 | rich7195 | and like i said |
| 23:52.19 | rich7195 | boots from slackware cd |
| 23:52.21 | mackss | Mr-R: Yes |
| 23:52.25 | dgtlpulse2k | so i've been playing around doing net installs of debian etch on a dell d620 and i'm trying to do custom kernel rebuilds |
| 23:52.26 | mackss | Mr-R: Thanks and sorry |
| 23:52.33 | Gwildor | Supaplex, idk about you, but i normally respond 'burn slower' to this. |
| 23:52.34 | Supaplex | rich7195: is the bios configured to boot from cdrom? are master/slave settings on your drives sane? |
| 23:52.40 | en1gma | anyone know what im talking about? |
| 23:53.05 | dgtlpulse2k | and I just redid one recomplile and it went fairly better than the others i made it to the console but i lost my wifi and some other modules |
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| 23:53.28 | Supaplex | dgtlpulse2k: does the stock kernel meet your needs? |
| 23:53.33 | dgtlpulse2k | my question is whats is the best way to recompile with using the current hardware config |
| 23:53.36 | Mr-R | mackss: ok. :) |
| 23:53.36 | Wyzard | "Linux box install from your Windows box"... no, that's not very clear as a question |
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| 23:53.51 | Wyzard | en1gma: ^^^ |
| 23:53.53 | dgtlpulse2k | well my needs are all the hardware works like it's suppose to |
| 23:54.00 | dgtlpulse2k | for instance i have dual core |
| 23:54.10 | dgtlpulse2k | i want to make sure it's running the dual core modules |
| 23:54.21 | dgtlpulse2k | so i've run cpufreq-info |
| 23:54.22 | en1gma | Wyzard can i create an rsync server on a windows box to serve my linux installs |
| 23:54.34 | en1gma | and boot the linux box with a 1.44 meg floppy |
| 23:54.49 | dgtlpulse2k | before the recomplie it worked and showed both cores after setting it up |
| 23:54.49 | Wyzard | dgtlpulse2k: The standard kernel already supports multiple processors/cores |
| 23:54.51 | dgtlpulse2k | now it's messed up |
| 23:55.08 | Gwildor | en1gma, there is a 3-disk net floppy install.... |
| 23:55.08 | en1gma | and have the windows box automatically update the rsync server so its current all the time |
| 23:55.14 | Wyzard | dgtlpulse2k: If your custom kernel only shows one processor, you probably left out SMP support |
| 23:55.28 | dgtlpulse2k | no it was showing two |
| 23:55.30 | en1gma | Gwildor can i tell that net install to pull files from a running windows box |
| 23:55.37 | dgtlpulse2k | but run cpufreq-info on your box |
| 23:55.48 | dgtlpulse2k | you'll probably see the cpu info |
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| 23:55.53 | Wyzard | dgtlpulse2k: What package is that in? |
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| 23:55.59 | rich7195 | damn it |
| 23:56.05 | rich7195 | im so frustrated!! |
| 23:56.07 | dgtlpulse2k | cpufreq-utils i believe |
| 23:56.12 | rich7195 | :( :( :( |
| 23:56.18 | binary010 | who was helping me with bind before ? |
| 23:56.19 | Supaplex | dgtlpulse2k: egrep --color -i '(ht|smp)' /boot/config-* my stock kernel has CONFIG_X86_SMP and CONFIG_X86_HT both =y |
| 23:56.33 | simonrvn | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:57.06 | dgtlpulse2k | simon when i run the cat /proc/cpuinfo it shows the right cpu's |
| 23:57.10 | Wyzard | dgtlpulse2k: cpufreq-info shows both my cores, both saying "no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU" |
| 23:57.14 | Spiritus55 | I need to free up some space in /usr what can/should I do (I downloaded some stuff, that I recently got rid of, but the libraries that they used are still present. Is there a program I could do to get rid of unused librarys? |
| 23:57.20 | dgtlpulse2k | wyzard |
| 23:57.23 | binary010 | anyone here with experiance running bind from home on a cable ? |
| 23:57.24 | dgtlpulse2k | that's what i get also |
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| 23:57.32 | Supaplex | rich7195: what's slack using for their boot-loader on the cd? I don't think the ide chipset would affect this so early in the boot process, but I'm curious. |
| 23:57.36 | dgtlpulse2k | see my question is what is that driver it's missing |
| 23:57.37 | Wyzard | dgtlpulse2k: What did it say previously? |
| 23:57.40 | dgtlpulse2k | i have had it working |
| 23:57.46 | resuDaed | hi, quick question ... is there a way to transfer files (local mounts) but see a transfer rate? (b/Bps) |
| 23:57.54 | dgtlpulse2k | it said centrino driver installed and showed more info on both the cores |
| 23:57.55 | en1gma | Gwildor with that 3 floppy disk install can i direct it to an rsync server on my windows box or is that even possible |
| 23:57.58 | rich7195 | supa, how do i check |
| 23:58.00 | Supaplex | resuDaed: rsync -avP src/ dst/ |
| 23:58.08 | Wyzard | dgtlpulse2k: There's a whole section in the kernel configuration for cpufreq stuff |
| 23:58.11 | resuDaed | Supaplex : cheers |
| 23:58.13 | rich7195 | and |
| 23:58.15 | dgtlpulse2k | hey supaplex what's that rsync -avP do |
| 23:58.16 | rich7195 | its an ide hdd |
| 23:58.18 | rich7195 | just so you know |
| 23:58.20 | Gwildor | en1gma, ofcourse its possible... how easy it is, idk, its not a 'supported' method afaik |
| 23:58.20 | dgtlpulse2k | what's the P so i mean |
| 23:58.21 | rich7195 | i mean |
| 23:58.24 | rich7195 | its sata |
| 23:58.38 | dgtlpulse2k | by the way thsi room already kicks butt |
| 23:58.50 | Wyzard | dgtlpulse2k: speedstep-centrino is replaced by acpi-cpufreq in recent kernels |
| 23:58.52 | Spiritus55 | Could someone answer my question? |
| 23:58.56 | en1gma | Gwildor i mean during the floppy install does it let me pick the site i want to install from |
| 23:58.58 | Supaplex | dgtlpulse2k: -a = archive (permissions) -v = verbose -P = progress (rtfm more more verbose info) |
| 23:59.15 | dgtlpulse2k | ahh progress |
| 23:59.20 | dgtlpulse2k | excellent |
| 23:59.28 | dgtlpulse2k | i've been using RSYNC alot at work lately |
| 23:59.29 | Wyzard | dgtlpulse2k: On my laptop, which has a Pentium M, cpufreq-info shows the info you're talking about, and it says "driver: acpu-cpufreq" |
| 23:59.33 | dgtlpulse2k | it's basically mazing |
| 23:59.42 | Supaplex | rich7195: run msinfo32, save it, load in wordpad, copy+paste (should be xml) to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 23:59.49 | Spiritus55 | I need to free up some space in /usr what can/should I do (I downloaded some stuff, that I recently got rid of, but the libraries that they used are still present. Is there a program I could do to get rid of unused librarys? |
| 23:59.56 | dgtlpulse2k | so wyzard what do you think |
| 23:59.59 | Supaplex | !tell Spiritus55 -about repeat |
