| 00:00.20 | themill_ | (actually, the tar is probably unnecessary for this) |
| 00:00.43 | pipeline | spq: I would just dump to local disk, rsync, restore. It's not like you're going to be short on local disk, since you can delete everything except the DB :) |
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| 00:01.16 | spq | no but im short on time :) |
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| 00:01.59 | pipeline | yeah, so restarting your dump several times probably isn't on your todo list. |
| 00:02.06 | spq | right :) |
| 00:02.10 | pipeline | that's why you dump to local disk then rsync to your destination.. so you can restart in the middle if necessary. |
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| 00:02.21 | spq | so a local copy is needed... |
| 00:02.44 | linux_jones | so if i have my computer set up to forward the internet from wlan0 to eth0 should i be able to access the internet while its forwarding? |
| 00:02.49 | spq | hm can i start rsync before the dump is ready? |
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| 00:02.52 | themill_ | being able to restart rsync in the middle of a transfer is incredibly valuable. |
| 00:02.58 | themill_ | no |
| 00:03.03 | spq | ok |
| 00:03.11 | pipeline | spq: sure. |
| 00:03.16 | themill_ | ? |
| 00:03.33 | themill_ | doesn't rsync calculate the checksum before it starts the transfer |
| 00:03.34 | pipeline | spq: You'll just have to run it again to make sure that it got all the data after it finishes. It should be a net win on time. |
| 00:03.43 | pipeline | themill_: it calculates checksums on a per-block basis, or else it would be useless. |
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| 00:04.24 | pipeline | I don't know how rsync feels about transferring files that are being written to sequentially, but that shouldn't be a problem. |
| 00:04.27 | linux_jones | anyone? |
| 00:04.31 | spq | ah so i should start rsync regulary and a last time after the dump is done |
| 00:04.34 | pipeline | even if it stops transferring at the point at which the file was when you started |
| 00:04.41 | pipeline | spq: nah, just start it at, say, 50%, then again when it's done. |
| 00:04.45 | themill_ | it is also able to verify that the file has not modified between starting the transfer and finishing, however. |
| 00:05.55 | spq | ah ok |
| 00:06.04 | spq | ill test this rsync thingy |
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| 00:07.49 | rocketmagnet | what packed do i need for apache2 and php5 ? |
| 00:07.59 | linux_jones | or can someone at least point me to a link |
| 00:08.08 | themill_ | !tell rocketmagnet about search |
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| 00:09.20 | unterl | Hello, with wich program can I open MS Windows HtmlHelp Data? |
| 00:09.43 | fsmunoz | unterl: what is the extension of that? |
| 00:09.51 | sysop2 | .chm right? |
| 00:09.54 | themill_ | winhelp in wine can do it I think. (.hlp is ok, .chm too I think now) |
| 00:10.00 | unterl | yes, .chm |
| 00:10.07 | fsmunoz | unterl: is that those html files that fit inside a single file? |
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| 00:10.27 | unterl | fsmunoz: it's a microsoft file I think |
| 00:10.34 | sysop2 | gnochm |
| 00:10.45 | BlackMagik | i created my debian image using make-kdpkg kernel_image then installed it using dpkg -i <imagefile> however it created an initrd directory in the / directory and i'm getting lib/module errors when I try to boot it. How can i fix this? Do I have to recompile? |
| 00:10.48 | sysop2 | is a chm viewer for gnome. |
| 00:10.53 | fsmunoz | unterl: gnochm or kchmviewer |
| 00:10.59 | fsmunoz | unterl: at least by the description... |
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| 00:11.19 | unterl | xchm it's good that? |
| 00:11.33 | fsmunoz | unterl: apt-cache search CHM|grep CHM |
| 00:11.50 | fsmunoz | unterl: I don't know, never used any of them |
| 00:12.23 | pipeline | unterl: xchm has kind of a shitty interface, but it's about the best available. |
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| 00:12.45 | pipeline | unterl: keep in mind, however, that xchm only handles the old chm format. The new chm format has not been documented by microsoft. (And there's actually no microsoft tool to view them: You have to use visual studio. Ugh.) |
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| 00:14.09 | themill_ | pipeline: you don't need to use visual studio to view them. how many people have vs installed? The help viewer in win2k and xp can display them. |
| 00:14.29 | unterl | thanks |
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| 00:14.41 | phl0x | !ati one-liner |
| 00:14.42 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 00:14.45 | pipeline | themill_: uhhh no |
| 00:14.52 | pipeline | themill_: the new format is ONLY viewable with VS.NET |
| 00:14.55 | phl0x | !fglrx one-liner |
| 00:14.55 | dpkg | well, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 00:15.08 | pipeline | themill_: xchm can view all chm files that are viewable in the windows help viewer |
| 00:15.16 | pipeline | themill_: it can NOT handle the new format.. neither can the one that comes with windows. |
| 00:15.37 | pipeline | themill_: Microsoft is kind of confused about what to do about a next generation help format, and they decided the one they're using now is not what they want, after all. So it's very half-baked :P |
| 00:15.56 | themill_ | half baked... sounds unlikely ;) |
| 00:15.56 | pipeline | themill_: unfortunately, the entire MSDN library is in the in-between half-baked format. So the most useful chm-format material is useless :P |
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| 00:16.43 | themill_ | is this new chm format only distributed with vs/msdn stuff though? |
| 00:16.58 | themill_ | or are vista's own help files in this format? |
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| 00:20.51 | themill_ | ok! well past bed time over this side of the pond.... damned irc sucks the time away all too fast. |
| 00:20.57 | themill_ | night all! |
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| 00:23.44 | m1ke_l | isn't there an app to that will build me a sources.list file? |
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| 00:23.44 | spq | on the new host: rsync -a -e ssh user@old_host:/path/to/dump /path/to/dump_copy |
| 00:23.44 | spq | this is it? |
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| 00:25.12 | phl0x | Is the fglrx driver broken for Xorg > 7.1? |
| 00:25.17 | phl0x | !fglrx |
| 00:25.17 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 00:25.23 | phl0x | Yep |
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| 00:31.42 | rocketmagnet | gn8 all |
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| 00:33.23 | phlux | How would I downgrade xorg-server-core? |
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| 00:36.35 | geo-rge | phlux: downgrading is generally never supported... however some packages are sufficiently simple (that is, both the version installed and the version to replace it) that the downgrade will work |
| 00:36.38 | epsilon | single package by pinning, or reinstall xserver-xorg |
| 00:37.14 | phlux | !downgrade xorg |
| 00:37.18 | phlux | !xorg |
| 00:37.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.2. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. |
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| 00:37.25 | phlux | !fglrx |
| 00:37.25 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 00:37.27 | phlux | hmmmm |
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| 00:38.20 | phl0x | !downgrade xorg |
| 00:38.20 | phl0x | !xorg-server-core |
| 00:38.21 | phl0x | grrrr |
| 00:38.21 | phl0x | !fglrx |
| 00:38.21 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 00:38.22 | phl0x | !downgrade |
| 00:38.22 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 00:39.14 | geo-rge | phl0x: so did you catch what I just said? |
| 00:40.14 | geo-rge | phlux: so did you catch what I just said? |
| 00:40.21 | yoghurt | has anyone else experienced long delays with debian server 35.9.37.225 (which is one of four hosts at http.us.debian.org)? |
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| 00:40.47 | phl0x | geo-rge, No I didn't |
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| 00:40.52 | geo-rge | phlux: downgrading is generally never supported... however some packages are sufficiently simple (that is, both the version installed and the version to replace it) that the downgrade will work |
| 00:40.53 | phl0x | I'm phlux. phl0x is going to ping out :\ |
| 00:41.01 | phl0x | oh |
| 00:41.32 | Rongo | If init was spawning X too fast, and disabled it for 5 minutes... and then I fixed my xorg.onf, is there any way to get it to retry now without waiting 5 minutes? |
| 00:41.53 | BlackMagik | I get a fatal error when booting saying that /lib/modules/vers#/modules.dep could not be found, and the file does exist. what can be causing this? |
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| 00:42.28 | geo-rge | Rongo: I'd say in that case you're not using debian or you've arranged some manner of starting x which is not the arrangement made by the package |
| 00:43.08 | Rongo | its knoppmyth.. which is debian based.... but yeah.. it might have muched with it. |
| 00:43.11 | yoghurt | anyway, despite having four ip numbers to choose from, aptitude always resolves http.us.debian.org as 35.9.37. or rather i suspect it is with the libc6 resolver. the nameserver returns the ips in varying order for round robin action, but libc6 undoes this by sorting the ip numbers. how do i get libc6 to *not* sort the ip numbers. |
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| 00:43.23 | pipeline | Rongo: fun fact, we don't do "based on" around here :P |
| 00:43.36 | Xenguy | Hi, if my workstation is a AMD/Sempron, which is the best 'linux-image*' kernel to run? |
| 00:43.45 | Xenguy | K7, or ...? |
| 00:44.00 | yoghurt | i like "compiler your own" |
| 00:44.02 | robboplus | hello folks |
| 00:44.04 | robboplus | i love to collect chats from #debian but hell... 250MB of debian log is too much :s |
| 00:44.07 | geo-rge | BlackMagik: what is the exact pathname it's complaining about? |
| 00:44.11 | pipeline | Xenguy: i686 |
| 00:44.15 | Rongo | whatever |
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| 00:44.18 | robboplus | that's like lots of crap being said and done lol |
| 00:44.30 | Xenguy | pipeline: really, even for an AMD then? |
| 00:44.48 | geo-rge | which amd? |
| 00:44.51 | BlackMagik | geo-rge: /lib/modules/<version>/ ... it's saying that modules.dep could not be found and it is there |
| 00:44.52 | pipeline | Xenguy: still a 686 :P |
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| 00:45.00 | Xenguy | geo-rge: sempron |
| 00:45.02 | geo-rge | nono, -exact- |
| 00:45.03 | Xenguy | pipeline: OK, tx! |
| 00:45.14 | pipeline | Xenguy: there's no 32 bit k8 kernel, and sempron doesn't do 64 bit. |
| 00:45.26 | Xenguy | geo-rge: cat /proc/cpu ? |
| 00:45.31 | pipeline | Xenguy: the catch is that some semprons are actually k7s... but that's ok, the 686 kernel will still work fine :) |
| 00:46.00 | Xenguy | geo-rge: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3100+ |
| 00:46.05 | BlackMagik | geo-rge: I even took the ones from my kernel that works and placed it there |
| 00:46.13 | Xenguy | pipeline: OK, sounds good |
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| 00:46.35 | Xenguy | geo-rge: er, cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 00:47.00 | geo-rge | BlackMagik: no, see, if you don't give the exact path it's complaining about from the complaint message, I can't get started :) |
| 00:47.19 | geo-rge | (no abstracting variables :) |
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| 00:47.39 | soldier | hello good evening... |
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| 00:48.12 | BlackMagik | geo-rge: the complaint is /lib/modules/2.6.181/modules.dep, my other version is 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 00:48.32 | geo-rge | ok, |
| 00:48.50 | geo-rge | 181 at end of vers? |
| 00:49.06 | soldier | has anyone an ati graphic card working in debian ? |
| 00:49.23 | pipeline | soldier: ask a question, not a poll. |
| 00:50.13 | geo-rge | so you should see existing: /lib/modules/2.6.181 (is this right??:) and /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686 |
| 00:50.54 | BlackMagik | geo-rge yea i had a 1 for the extraversion in the Makefile for the kernel image. yes, i have both 2.6.181 and 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 00:51.08 | soldier | pipeline: well i want to buy a new graphic card ati radeon x1550 but i dont know how good its the support for debian... |
| 00:51.27 | geo-rge | ok, see if the dep file exists in both... btw, your uname -r is? |
| 00:52.12 | BlackMagik | it is in both of them. uname -r 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 00:52.29 | geo-rge | how many people here think polls are god's gift to women due to the total orgasm they produce if you have ever felt like having one? |
| 00:53.30 | BlackMagik | geo-rge: right now i have the modules.dep from 2.6.18-5-686 in 2.6.181 |
| 00:53.37 | BlackMagik | a copy rather |
| 00:53.49 | geo-rge | so, both places? |
| 00:53.53 | BlackMagik | yup |
| 00:53.53 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 00:54.31 | geo-rge | it was found useful to run depmod -a early enough in each boot process to remake this file |
| 00:55.18 | geo-rge | that is, remake it before something tried to use it |
| 00:55.40 | BlackMagik | how do i do this? |
| 00:55.47 | geo-rge | might you have reason to believe this isn't happening already? |
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| 00:56.47 | BlackMagik | there was also the issue of the initrd the kernel i built created an empty directory in the / directory. and i changed it to a sym link to the old one |
| 00:56.48 | geo-rge | (well, we do, because seems it doesn't get made... but the question is why, and was there attempts made during boot, and if so what happened to prevent the file from getting made) |
| 00:57.09 | pipeline | soldier: pretty poor, but not nonexistent. |
| 00:57.22 | geo-rge | what name was that dir? |
| 00:57.27 | BlackMagik | initrd |
| 00:57.28 | pipeline | soldier: you'll need fglrx, and the versions of fglrx available for etch may not be new enough. |
| 00:57.38 | pipeline | soldier: not to mention, fglrx is just a massive pain in the ass in general. |
| 00:57.46 | geo-rge | so: /initrd is some sort of symlink |
| 00:58.00 | geo-rge | yes? |
| 00:58.02 | soldier | pipeline: im using sid... |
| 00:58.19 | BlackMagik | at first right after the new build it was just a directory, i change it to a symlink to /boot/oldimage |
| 00:58.56 | geo-rge | don't mind me too much... right now I'm just collecting and organizing information |
| 00:58.56 | pipeline | soldier: Well, if you want to live with fglrx, no worries then :) |
| 00:59.12 | geo-rge | you mean /initrd.img |
| 00:59.13 | geo-rge | ? |
| 00:59.38 | geo-rge | if you actually mean /initrd |
| 00:59.46 | geo-rge | that could be significant :) |
| 00:59.47 | soldier | pipeline: why its that (a pain in the ass) have you try it already ? its difficult to configure ? |
| 01:00.06 | BlackMagik | yes, it was /initrd and i changed it to initrd.img symlink |
| 01:01.27 | BlackMagik | geo-rge: was it suppose to be /initrd.img |
| 01:01.27 | BlackMagik | ? |
| 01:01.33 | pipeline | soldier: it's a pain in the ass to keep it up to date; it doesn't do everything the nvidia drivers do; you'll need a shell script to alter monitor settings on the fly. |
| 01:01.40 | pipeline | soldier: my work laptop has an x1300. I do not enjoy fglrx :P |
| 01:01.45 | geo-rge | ok, that could be the problem |
| 01:01.54 | geo-rge | here's what I suggest: |
| 01:02.03 | geo-rge | rename that symlink to initrd.img |
| 01:02.13 | geo-rge | then make empty dir initrd |
| 01:02.18 | geo-rge | try the boot |
| 01:02.21 | geo-rge | reason: |
| 01:02.29 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.37 | BlackMagik | ahh |
| 01:02.50 | geo-rge | for (what?) the initrd :) |
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| 01:03.06 | soldier | pipeline: ok, so its better for me to buy a nvidia card... |
| 01:03.17 | BlackMagik | geo-rge:no the reason? i didn't know that so i just changed it |
| 01:03.38 | BlackMagik | i'll try rebooting |
| 01:04.08 | pipeline | soldier: it's a pretty mixed bag, yes :P |
| 01:04.13 | pipeline | soldier: the choices are not so nice as I would like. |
| 01:04.25 | pipeline | soldier: it especially hurts that linux games tend to assume you're using nvidia :\ |
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| 01:04.54 | abrotman | yay for mirrors that don't sync ... |
| 01:06.03 | geo-rge | you mount the mirror over the sync, then you see the toilet in the mirror |
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| 01:06.16 | soldier | pipeline: yeah, you're right maybe because its soo comercial ... |
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| 01:08.17 | geo-rge | BlackMagik: howzit? |
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| 01:08.52 | BlackMagik | geo-rge: here's something that might be of interest. first it give a warning that /lib/modules/2.6.181 could not be found... then it says that /lib/modules/2.6.181/modules.dep.temp could not be created, so i guess it all stems from there |
| 01:08.57 | fsmunoz | I reverted to the radeon driver in this Thinkpad T41, fglrx worked ok in 3D (as much as one could expect) but in plain 2D everything was *very* slow, switching windows would spike the CPU and mem usage. |
| 01:09.14 | fsmunoz | Must look deeper into it, radeon's 3D is somewhat limited. |
| 01:09.26 | geo-rge | so it didn't boot correctly? |
| 01:09.44 | BlackMagik | that's correct, the boot just fails when it reaches that point |
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| 01:10.18 | geo-rge | are you using lilo, grub or something else?\ |
| 01:10.22 | BlackMagik | grub |
| 01:10.42 | geo-rge | ok, when you boot do you see both kernels? |
| 01:10.47 | BlackMagik | yes |
| 01:11.00 | phlux | hmm |
| 01:11.07 | phlux | I don't think my sound card is working :\ |
| 01:11.21 | geo-rge | ok, let's see... howbout we... back up /boot/grub/menu.lst, and then run update-grub |
| 01:11.39 | geo-rge | not sure that's the right name, could be grub-update |
| 01:12.00 | BlackMagik | another thing should probably mention is that at first the new kernel did not have "initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.181" in grub, i added that line |
| 01:12.47 | geo-rge | did you do make-kpkg ... --initrd ... |
| 01:12.48 | geo-rge | ? |
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| 01:12.54 | BlackMagik | yea |
| 01:12.58 | BlackMagik | oh no |
| 01:13.03 | soldier | see ya |
| 01:13.04 | soldier | EOF |
| 01:13.09 | BlackMagik | i didn't do ... --initrd |
| 01:13.11 | phlux | How would I mount an external drive located at 192.168.1.100\music? |
| 01:13.19 | geo-rge | could you try that? |
| 01:13.21 | phlux | mount_ntfs.. |
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| 01:14.27 | BlackMagik | geo-rge: i'll try it |
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| 01:14.51 | geo-rge | -maybe- you could try 2.6.22* too |
| 01:15.01 | m1ke_l | apt-get upgrade results in: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man5/limits.conf.5.gz', which is also in package passwd |
| 01:15.05 | wikichuck | i want to run a mail server, which dpkg-configure exim4-config option should i choose? |
| 01:15.10 | m1ke_l | from debianutils or libpam-modules |
| 01:15.14 | abrotman | m1ke_l: internet site |
| 01:15.16 | wikichuck | "internet site: mail is sent and received directly using SMTP"? |
| 01:15.31 | abrotman | erm .. wikichuck internet site :) |
| 01:15.35 | m1ke_l | abrotman: what? |
| 01:15.41 | wikichuck | ok thanks |
| 01:15.41 | abrotman | !tell m1ke_l about overwrite |
| 01:15.43 | geo-rge | wikichuck: you want to ruin a mail server??! |
| 01:16.06 | wikichuck | ? |
| 01:16.07 | m1ke_l | yaa!! thanks man |
| 01:16.40 | geo-rge | btw, do you want exim or postfix or which one? |
| 01:16.47 | wikichuck | exim4 |
| 01:16.49 | xored | hello, iam gonna by me to SATA Drives with an SATA controller for my etch server. is DeLock supported by debian / linux ( guess its more a kernel quesiton ) |
| 01:16.56 | phlux | any idea how to mount ntfs? |
| 01:17.04 | geo-rge | ok, is that mail server installed? |
| 01:17.05 | wikichuck | should i listen on 0.0.0.0? |
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| 01:17.10 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:17.12 | wikichuck | geo-rge: well yeah, it comes with debian lol |
| 01:17.15 | abrotman | xored: drive really doesn't matter |
| 01:17.25 | abrotman | xored: it's the sata controller |
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| 01:17.38 | geo-rge | try dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 01:17.44 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:17.51 | abrotman | at least tell him the right package |
| 01:17.53 | wikichuck | geo-rge: no, it'cs dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, and i'm over it, thanks |
| 01:17.56 | abrotman | and he's already doing it |
| 01:17.59 | wikichuck | s/over/on/ |
| 01:18.10 | geo-rge | which package is the right one? |
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| 01:18.22 | geo-rge | he said he has exim4 |
| 01:18.36 | abrotman | so what? |
| 01:18.38 | abrotman | !drec |
| 01:18.41 | abrotman | !drec geo-rge |
| 01:18.41 | dpkg | geo-rge: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 01:18.49 | geo-rge | ohh |
| 01:18.56 | geo-rge | I dint no dat |
| 01:19.03 | abrotman | IIRC .. exim4 is a metapackage |
| 01:19.16 | xored | abrotman: i know, iam asking about the SATA controllin. Drives are clear, i take the MAxline 7L250S0, but what about the SATA controller from DeLock |
| 01:19.26 | geo-rge | !depends exim4 |
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| 01:19.30 | dpkg | exim4: depends on debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, debconf (>= 1.4.69) | cdebconf (>= 0.39), exim4-base (>= 4.67), exim4-daemon-light | exim4-daemon-heavy | exim4-daemon-custom |
| 01:19.35 | abrotman | xored: you need the chipset |
| 01:20.13 | abrotman | !info exim4 etch |
| 01:20.13 | dpkg | exim4: (metapackage to ease exim MTA (v4) installation), section mail, is standard. Version: 4.63-17 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 01:20.13 | abrotman | see .. small! |
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| 01:20.13 | wikichuck | abrotman: so everything should work now if my mx servers are all tickety boo? |
| 01:20.13 | riot | i have an ext3 partition here, mounted specifically with options "exec" - still mount displays (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev).. what is causing this? |
| 01:20.31 | geo-rge | what's a ticketyboo? |
| 01:20.33 | xored | locking at the page of delock, there support suse..so its supported in linux kernels...should be ok then |
| 01:20.37 | abrotman | wikichuck: dunno about "everything" .. but it should send/receive |
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| 01:20.45 | phlux | any idea how to mount ntfs? |
| 01:20.46 | xored | abrotman: http://www.delock.de/produkte/gruppen/pci-express/PCI_Express_Controller_Karte_2x_SATA_1x_IDE_89143.html?setLanguage=EN |
| 01:20.46 | wikichuck | abrotman: good enough for me :-) |
| 01:20.47 | phlux | !ntfs |
| 01:20.47 | dpkg | ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 01:20.49 | abrotman | geo-rge: the opposite of you :) |
| 01:21.01 | abrotman | phlux: it's remote |
| 01:21.21 | phlux | so? |
| 01:21.27 | phlux | I've mounted it on other distributions |
| 01:21.31 | geo-rge | !depends exim4 etch |
| 01:21.33 | phlux | It's shared by a Windows box |
| 01:21.33 | dpkg | exim4: depends on debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, exim4-base (>= 4.63), exim4-daemon-light | exim4-daemon-heavy | exim4-daemon-custom |
| 01:21.47 | geo-rge | hmm, same thing |
| 01:21.54 | phlux | I just need to mount it as /home/phlux/Music |
| 01:21.57 | abrotman | xored: works with suse |
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| 01:22.20 | wikichuck | well let's hope this works |
| 01:22.39 | xored | abrotman: i mean iam not gonna use sweet suse at all, but this would be its ok with linux kernels..what should mean it should work under my debian box i guess, or ? |
| 01:22.42 | abrotman | phlux: it's not shared as ntfs .. it's shared as cifs/samba |
| 01:22.43 | wikichuck | i should probably wait for a while to let dns do it's thing |
| 01:22.53 | abrotman | xored: dunno .. that web page is vague |
| 01:22.55 | Bogus8 | what other tool is there for making software raids other than mdadm ? |
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| 01:23.08 | phlux | abrotman, I used to mount it via mount_ntfs... |
| 01:23.32 | Bogus8 | I used something else to build my raid... even put the commands into a text file... but of course the one that had that file is the system that went down |
| 01:23.35 | BlackMagik | geo-rge: what's the best way to remove my build before i rebuild it again? |
| 01:23.51 | geo-rge | you're using make-kpkg? |
| 01:23.54 | BlackMagik | yea |
| 01:24.06 | geo-rge | it should clean itself before building |
| 01:24.08 | geo-rge | but |
| 01:24.22 | geo-rge | (1) copy the .config somewhere so you have it |
| 01:24.27 | xored | abrotman: i know, iam off topic, but would you spent 50€ instead of 2 to get a SATA II controller instead of SATA I, when you have 2x SATA II ( 16 MB ) caches and the server is low-profile, home using, single user only ? |
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| 01:24.31 | BlackMagik | k |
| 01:24.35 | geo-rge | (2) run make mrproper |
| 01:24.41 | abrotman | xored: depends on the drives .. but pretty likely |
| 01:24.46 | geo-rge | (3) copy the config back |
| 01:24.56 | geo-rge | and then do the build |
| 01:25.12 | litage|w | there's an app that periodically adds and removes rules from iptables. is there a way to configure iptables to log these modifications to its chains? |
| 01:25.12 | xored | abrotman: maxtor Maxline III |
| 01:25.28 | abrotman | xored: if they're sataII .. i'd get a sataII controller |
| 01:25.37 | phlux | so how would I mount a samba drive, then? |
| 01:25.45 | abrotman | smbmount |
| 01:26.11 | xored | abrotman: ok |
| 01:26.15 | xored | abrotman: thank you |
| 01:28.43 | phlux | abrotman, I don't have smbmount |
| 01:28.53 | geo-rge | !installit |
| 01:28.54 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 01:29.01 | Bogus8 | running fdisk -l says md0 doesn't have a valid partition |
| 01:29.04 | Bogus8 | but I can mount it |
| 01:29.09 | streuner | oh, ugly! |
| 01:29.12 | streuner | !search |
| 01:29.12 | dpkg | [search] try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 01:29.16 | Bogus8 | I even ran fsck on it with -f and it came out clean |
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| 01:29.46 | Bogus8 | any tools to "repair" a partition? |
| 01:29.49 | riot | why is my mount command ignoring the "exec" option in /etc/mtab? |
| 01:29.54 | Bogus8 | it contains a software raid 5 |
| 01:30.00 | riot | s/mtab/fstab |
| 01:30.00 | phlux | I don't have smbmount anywhere in the search ;) |
| 01:30.04 | wikichuck | the mail server isn't working so far :-( |
| 01:30.23 | geo-rge | what is the mail domain? |
| 01:30.54 | streuner | so read the factoid again |
| 01:30.56 | wikichuck | unixpod.com |
| 01:31.04 | phlux | Ah well, I could always just mount -t smb |
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| 01:31.06 | wikichuck | mx servers are working, ports are forwarded |
| 01:31.16 | abrotman | ISP blocking! |
| 01:31.22 | wikichuck | no |
| 01:31.26 | wikichuck | my isp is nice :-) |
| 01:31.34 | geo-rge | 12.206.255.36? |
| 01:31.44 | wikichuck | but oh well, i've got to go to bed, gotta wake up early for the first day of school tommorow -_-' |
| 01:31.54 | wikichuck | and yes, that is my ip |
| 01:32.06 | geo-rge | ok, that part is working |
| 01:32.18 | abrotman | wikichuck: hold on |
| 01:32.22 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:32.22 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 01:32.35 | wikichuck | abrotman: yah? |
| 01:32.43 | abrotman | pasting something for you .. hold up a moment |
| 01:33.03 | abrotman | http://paste.debian.net/36180 |
| 01:33.15 | geo-rge | wikichuck: and unixpod.com. mxes to itself |
| 01:33.39 | wikichuck | geo-rge: that's because i am my own mail server? |
| 01:33.47 | wikichuck | abrotman: and teh weird? |
| 01:34.00 | geo-rge | and/or you don't have a second machine pulling mx duty |
| 01:34.02 | abrotman | it's borked somehow |
| 01:34.08 | abrotman | geo-rge: it's his router IP |
| 01:34.23 | wikichuck | abrotman: damn |
| 01:34.27 | abrotman | !smtp test |
| 01:34.27 | dpkg | "telnet myserver 25", "HELO world", "MAIL FROM:<evil@spammer.org>", "RCPT TO:<a@fake.address>", "DATA", "Subject: spam test", "", ".", "QUIT" |
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| 01:34.51 | wikichuck | yeah i know how to telnet to a mail server lol |
| 01:35.29 | wikichuck | see, when i telnet to it from localhost, i get no errors though |
| 01:35.37 | geo-rge | so is that router machine pulling mail server duty or is the server on a machine inside your nat? |
| 01:35.55 | wikichuck | and now it's working |
| 01:36.01 | wikichuck | geo-rge: err |
| 01:36.05 | Bogus8 | running fdisk -l says md0 doesn't have a valid partition... what should I do about this? |
| 01:36.13 | wikichuck | wait nvm |
| 01:36.19 | abrotman | nvm .. not working ? |
| 01:36.23 | cafuego | 500 Error HELO requires FQDN |
| 01:36.26 | wikichuck | wait yes, it is working |
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| 01:36.41 | abrotman | but only from inside ? |
| 01:36.47 | geo-rge | someone reinvented the wheel! |
| 01:36.58 | abrotman | god . it's so slow |
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| 01:37.11 | streuner | !start a mta war |
| 01:37.11 | dpkg | smail has shitty documentation |
| 01:37.12 | wikichuck | abrotman: no, it's working from outside |
| 01:37.20 | abrotman | now it is |
| 01:37.27 | abrotman | i just typed commands before the banner :) |
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| 01:37.48 | wikichuck | wtf, i still am not getting test messages i'm sending myself |
| 01:37.53 | cafuego | abrotman: reverse dns lookup; slow ns |
| 01:37.59 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 01:38.16 | wikichuck | wait yeah, the mail client might be sending the commands before the banner also |
| 01:38.27 | riot | oh, noes.. "user" in fstab doesn't go well with "exec" -> problem solved |
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| 01:38.35 | abrotman | i just sent wikichuck mail! |
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| 01:38.46 | cafuego | wikichuck: if it's RFC complient it had better not. |
| 01:38.57 | wikichuck | cafuego: oh good |
| 01:39.13 | abrotman | you're supposed to wait .. i didn't :) |
| 01:39.16 | cafuego | and if i were rfc compliant i'd not misspell it |
| 01:39.22 | wikichuck | charlie@server2:~$ mail |
| 01:39.23 | wikichuck | No mail for charlie |
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| 01:39.30 | abrotman | i sent to wikichuck :) |
| 01:39.31 | wikichuck | i'll check tommorow |
| 01:39.35 | wikichuck | lol |
| 01:39.40 | wikichuck | goodnight |
| 01:39.43 | cafuego | wikichuck: do check the smtp logs and see what it did with the mail |
| 01:39.56 | wikichuck | ok |
| 01:39.57 | abrotman | hopefully rejected it back to comcast :) |
| 01:41.05 | earnest | i'm sad :( debian install doesn't detect my network card |
| 01:41.19 | streuner | get another one |
| 01:41.24 | phlux | no |
| 01:41.25 | streuner | NICs are cheap |
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| 01:41.28 | wikichuck | 2007-09-03 14:36:48 1ISHj6-0001Sx-7g ** wikichuck@unixpod.com: Too many "Received" headers - suspected mail loop |
| 01:41.28 | phlux | don't do that. use ndiswrapper. |
| 01:41.33 | Bogus8 | one more time and I've got to jet... running fdisk -l says md0 doesn't have a valid partition... what should I do about this? |
| 01:41.35 | wikichuck | argh |
| 01:41.37 | phlux | I had to use ndiswrapper on my wireless card |
| 01:41.38 | Bogus8 | it's a software raid |
| 01:41.40 | wikichuck | troubleshooting in the morning |
| 01:41.45 | Bogus8 | all the partitions check out individually |
| 01:41.55 | Bogus8 | fsck -f says everything is clean |
| 01:41.56 | earnest | phlux: mine is wireless too; it's a linksys wmp54g |
| 01:41.58 | nvz | hmm I get all kinds of errors logging into X anymore.. I should probably look into that. |
| 01:41.58 | Bogus8 | so what gives |
| 01:42.02 | streuner | earnest: what NIC Do you have? |
| 01:42.13 | phlux | earnest, ndiswrapper will work perfect. |
| 01:42.22 | Bogus8 | I even used ubuntu live disk and used mdadm to detect it and set it up and then mounted it |
| 01:42.37 | NicNac | long live matrox! |
| 01:42.52 | streuner | Amen |
| 01:43.20 | earnest | yeah, it looks like ndiswrapper will be the thing to do |
| 01:43.31 | earnest | but this will be painful tho |
| 01:43.47 | earnest | because i will have to somehow give a connection to this machine |
| 01:43.48 | streuner | painful? |
| 01:43.50 | earnest | so that i can download stuff |
| 01:44.28 | earnest | unless i burn a cd or something like that |
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| 01:47.04 | phlux | !smbmount |
| 01:47.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, smbmount is 'smbmount //HOST/SHARE PASS -c 'mount MOUNT_POINT'' |
| 01:47.15 | Codenut | evening gang |
| 01:47.26 | phlux | bah |
| 01:47.31 | phlux | but where would I FIND smbmount!? |
| 01:47.35 | phlux | I have samba installed |
| 01:47.45 | cafuego | You need 'smbfs' |
| 01:47.52 | phlux | or samba-client :| |
| 01:48.20 | phlux | smbfs too :P |
| 01:48.43 | phlux | I wonder how to change the username |
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| 01:49.13 | geo-rge | then you could do as root somethjig like mount -t smbfs (theShare) /local/mount/point |
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| 01:50.39 | phlux | BAH that was easy once I had smbfs |
| 01:51.01 | geo-rge | phlux: so it worked? |
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| 01:51.41 | phlux | Yar. I used mount -t smbfs //host/share mount_point/ -o username=Kevin,password=password,uid=phlux,gid=phlux |
| 01:52.50 | streuner | earnest: Do you have another NIC on that box? |
| 01:53.15 | geo-rge | in general... mount looks like: mount (storage) (mountpoint) |
| 01:53.50 | dvs | geo-rge: the mount that phlux displays looks ok |
| 01:53.55 | penrod | greetings, just installed etch with 2 10/100 nics and 1 gigabit card. It is detecing the gigabit card as eth0 and I would prefer to have it as eth1 or eth2, is the easily remedied ? |
| 01:54.06 | earnest | streuner: i just put one |
| 01:54.12 | geo-rge | dvsL and it worked too |
| 01:54.28 | NicNac | ugh how do i set up the shift keys? |
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| 01:54.39 | NicNac | for some reason only my left shift key does anything |
| 01:54.40 | dvs | penrod: you can use udev to rename the device |
| 01:54.47 | geo-rge | depends on your transmission |
| 01:55.18 | geo-rge | if you have a 5-speed, you would set up your shift keys so they match the gear pattern |
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| 01:55.53 | geo-rge | but seriously... never hook your computer to your transmission :) |
| 01:56.05 | NicNac | lol |
| 01:58.02 | NicNac | seriously though this is driving me mad i cant captilise anything |
| 01:58.43 | abrotman | did you pick the wrong keymap ? |
| 01:58.51 | NicNac | ? |
| 01:58.56 | abrotman | penrod: ifrename |
| 01:59.04 | NicNac | I dont think I did |
| 01:59.30 | NicNac | I think it got set when I was messing with xorg.conf |
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| 01:59.55 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 01:59.55 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 02:03.02 | phlux | hmmm |
| 02:03.05 | phlux | why Gnome over KDE? |
| 02:03.50 | dondelelcaro | historical reasons. |
| 02:04.12 | dondelelcaro | it's not like you can't chose to use either (or other more sane choices, like xfce, no DE, etc.) |
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| 02:04.32 | NicNac | horses for courses |
| 02:04.49 | geo-rge | more says of forces |
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| 02:06.04 | earnest | debian install says 64MiB of RAM deserves low memory install :) one of my rams doesn't want to work very well :| |
| 02:06.10 | phl0x | what do you do with a .deb file? |
| 02:06.15 | phl0x | dpkg -i <file>? |
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| 02:06.23 | dvs | heh |
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| 02:06.40 | phl0x | guess so |
| 02:07.14 | phl0x | why isn't opera in any of my repositories? :( |
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| 02:08.18 | streuner | !opera |
| 02:08.18 | dpkg | Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite which handles common internet-related tasks including visiting web sites, sending and receiving e-mail messages. Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. see <opera apt> |
| 02:08.27 | phl0x | Oh |
| 02:08.29 | phl0x | !firefox |
| 02:08.29 | dpkg | hmm... firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 02:08.51 | phl0x | hmmmm |
| 02:09.02 | phl0x | I don't have mozilla-firefox in my repos either |
| 02:09.14 | Penix | you sure don't |
| 02:09.15 | streuner | read the factoid again |
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| 02:09.32 | phl0x | I don't want "iceweasel" :| |
| 02:09.37 | phl0x | what's wrong with Firefox? |
| 02:09.45 | dondelelcaro | phl0x: it's basically the same, with a different name |
| 02:10.11 | phl0x | !iceweasel |
| 02:10.11 | dpkg | iceweasel is probably the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 02:10.29 | phl0x | !why iceweasel |
| 02:10.30 | dpkg | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 for more information. |
| 02:10.33 | Penix | phl0x: msg the bot |
| 02:10.41 | phl0x | Oh, sorry |
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| 02:13.49 | p-a-v | hi, recently I upgraded from lenny to unstable and now on doing aptitude dist-upgrade, some dependencies are unresolved. I understand that. What does Score is -140 mean? |
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| 02:15.52 | NicNac | this is doing my head in now |
| 02:16.50 | streuner | p-a-v: /msg dpkg sid faq and show us the error in paster bot or as picture (imageshack.us) |
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| 02:18.20 | abrotman | as a picture ? |
| 02:18.35 | dvs | abrotman: took a picture of the screen |
| 02:18.58 | abrotman | i know |
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| 02:19.01 | abrotman | but why ? |
| 02:19.05 | dvs | dunno |
| 02:19.06 | NicNac | how can i take a pic of my dual monitor-ed screen? |
| 02:19.13 | streuner | the magic word in the sentence is _OR_ ;-) |
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| 02:19.48 | geo-rge | what's the magic word again pls? |
| 02:19.49 | c0rnd0g | nite. sleep tite. let the fleas bit. don't be a a circus. |
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| 02:21.57 | GarryFre | !screenshot |
| 02:21.57 | dpkg | it has been said that screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 02:23.15 | Gokee2 | *great* I decided to try out blast and now I have holes all through my desktop. Is there any way to get rid of them? I exited the program and now it can`t repair the old holes |
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| 02:26.11 | BlackMagik | geo-rge: at the end of the make-kpkg i got po2debconf debian/templates.master > debian/templates |
| 02:26.11 | BlackMagik | /bin/sh: debian/templates: Is a directory |
| 02:26.11 | BlackMagik | make[1]: *** [debian/linux-image-2.6.181] Error 1 |
| 02:26.11 | BlackMagik | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/new' |
| 02:26.11 | BlackMagik | make: *** [binary/linux-image-2.6.181] Error 2 |
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| 02:30.05 | geo-rge | never seen that before |
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| 02:32.31 | p-a-v | here, http://paste.debian.net/36182 |
| 02:32.46 | robboplus | what is the default log location of tcplog? can't really find any.. |
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| 02:35.30 | jetscreamer | !!!anybody know if a smartlink sl 2800 or an aztek mdp 6880 modem works in etch? |
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| 02:38.29 | celiapgt | good night; I have etch and by mistake I typed in a terminal "chmod myuser:myiser /*" instead of doing it to my home directory; now I cannot su as root in any terminal; anybody can help me how to fix permissions or how to fix the su command? (my /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files are both OK) |
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| 02:40.24 | jetscreamer | !modem |
| 02:40.24 | dpkg | modem is probably (Modulator/Demodulator) A device to turn digital signals to analog ones and back again, so they can be transmitted and translated back to digital at another modem without loss. Used for communication through means of audio, telephone, CB, etc. <REPLY> suck |
| 02:42.49 | abrotman | jetscreamer: m-a a-i sl-modem |
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| 02:45.19 | jetscreamer | ah k thanks dude |
| 02:45.49 | abrotman | jetscreamer: at least .. it worked for mine |
| 02:46.22 | jetscreamer | can one use a testing daily to install etch? |
| 02:47.14 | abrotman | i don't think there's much of a daily netinst these days |
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| 02:48.18 | jetscreamer | i have an old one |
| 02:48.24 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:48.31 | jetscreamer | i can use goodbye-windows |
| 02:48.34 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 02:48.42 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 02:48.49 | jetscreamer | does it work for win98 :) |
| 02:49.36 | jetscreamer | as well as early 32bit editions if they support DOS Real Mode, such as Windows 95 and 98 |
| 02:49.42 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 02:50.01 | jetscreamer | yea team |
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| 02:56.27 | mmnicolas | jetscreamer: that is bad |
| 02:56.45 | mmnicolas | being in real mode was the only good thing about these os |
| 02:57.37 | mmnicolas | now what's the point of a goodbye-microsoft that only work with os'es no one uses |
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| 02:58.11 | streuner | p-a-v: do you get a different output using apt-get instead of aptitude? |
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| 03:00.34 | earnest | Just installed the system: but grub says: GRUB Loading stage 1.5\n\nGRUB loading, please wait...\nError 18 |
| 03:00.43 | earnest | Replace \n by real-new-lines |
| 03:01.22 | earnest | Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS |
| 03:01.22 | celiapgt | I have this problem: I cannot su as root in a terminal in X mode, but I can in a text terminal (ctrl+Alt+F1) |
| 03:01.32 | earnest | So I guess my BIOS doesn't support my hard drive? |
| 03:01.45 | celiapgt | does anybody have an idea? |
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| 03:03.53 | abrotman | earnest: you can try looking for a bios update |
| 03:04.16 | simonrvn | or change bios setting for the device |
| 03:04.20 | earnest | how does one update the BIOS? |
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| 03:04.37 | k-man___ | can I use rsync to sync just the users's Maildir folders? |
| 03:04.52 | abrotman | earnest: they have instructions at the site where you get it |
| 03:05.05 | abrotman | k-man___: yes-ish .. depending on the maildir/imap server |
| 03:05.08 | earnest | abrotman: i can create a smaller partition too, no? |
| 03:05.13 | abrotman | you can try |
| 03:05.29 | earnest | i'm gonna try that because (1) i dont have a floppy disk :) |
| 03:05.42 | abrotman | sometimes you can do it without a flopppy |
| 03:05.47 | earnest | how? |
| 03:05.53 | abrotman | CDs sometimes now |
| 03:05.59 | earnest | hm, interesting |
| 03:06.11 | abrotman | there are other methods .. but check the manuf website |
| 03:06.11 | earnest | i'll look into that but will try a smaller partition right now |
| 03:06.24 | earnest | i believe that'd american megatrends; not sure |
| 03:06.27 | earnest | will check |
| 03:06.29 | streuner | but look first, BIOS update would even "touch" the issue, its NOT without risks |
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| 03:07.09 | streuner | if it fails you have to buy or send the chip (EEPROM) |
| 03:07.27 | streuner | in order that somebody fix it |
| 03:07.30 | earnest | hm, then it's probably not worth |
| 03:07.51 | abrotman | depends .. check the website! |
| 03:07.54 | streuner | its worth if the issue is fixed then |
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| 03:09.27 | k-man___ | abrotman: i have successfuly done it already, but i synced all the user home directories. This time i just want to sync the Maildir directories... can i limit rsync using wildcards? |
| 03:10.11 | abrotman | you could also feed it a list of dirs IIRC |
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| 03:16.36 | p-a-v | streuner: no, only the Score.. line was missing. I was curious what that meant. upgraded to Sid just to see and learn the Debian Developers way of development |
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| 03:17.04 | streuner | p-a-v: read /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 03:17.19 | streuner | p-a-v: and check out the docs of aptitude then |
| 03:18.20 | k-man___ | how do i get rsync to only sync directories with the word "Maildir" in the path? |
| 03:18.41 | p-a-v | streuner: i did, couldn't find any reference to what Score means.. hmm, may be I overlooked |
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| 03:20.02 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# man aptitude | grep -i score |
| 03:20.02 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# |
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| 03:21.39 | streuner | p-a-v: grep Score /usr/share/doc/aptitude/* |
| 03:23.03 | streuner | If you aren't able to find a simple answer with a tool you SHOULD unterstand (basic), Why do you use unstable then? |
| 03:24.24 | p-a-v | streuner: there is some reference to score in the readme. says something about problemresolver.. I'll read the full file first |
| 03:24.45 | gonzaloaf | hi, if I have many machines behind a NAT and I want to access to all of them from outside via ssh, can they share the 22 port? or do I have to assign a different port for ssh for each one? |
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| 03:27.57 | dalias | gonzaloaf, how in the world could they all be on the same port and ip address? |
| 03:28.15 | dalias | which one would you get connected to if you ssh to your_address:22 ? |
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| 03:29.04 | gonzaloaf | dalias, each one have a different private ip address |
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| 03:31.43 | streuner | should be an issue in the configuration setting on your router |
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| 03:32.25 | mmnicolas | can i obtain the complete line of a command listed in ps with the pid ? |
| 03:32.30 | dalias | yes but a private ip address is not a valid address outside your lan... |
| 03:32.35 | gonzaloaf | streuner, do I have to tell ssh in each machine to use a different port right? |
| 03:32.35 | streuner | "Port Redirection Table" for example. sure, there are you able to use ANY Port or just 22 and different IPs |
| 03:32.55 | mmnicolas | since ps lines aren't wrapped |
| 03:33.06 | dalias | gonzaloaf, no, but your router needs to do port forwarding, and each of the forwards needs to be on a different port of course |
| 03:33.49 | gonzaloaf | dalias, I understand, I know that I have to tell my router redirect packets |
| 03:34.16 | dalias | and for each port on the router, you give it a destination ip and port to forward to.. |
| 03:34.30 | k-man___ | is there a way to run rsync in a "test" mode where it will show me what it is doing but not actually do it? |
| 03:34.53 | dalias | i think so.. 1 sec |
| 03:35.01 | dalias | -n |
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| 03:35.05 | dalias | or --dry-run |
| 03:35.16 | k-man___ | thanks |
| 03:35.19 | Trentster | hey all, could some point me to a url that supplies meanings for "kernel time discipline status change" codes I am getting a " kernel time discipline status change 40 then 1 and would like to understand what this means? related to NTP of course |
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| 03:36.22 | geo-rge | Trentster: google doen't help here? |
| 03:37.07 | Trentster | geo-rge, nope been trying for 20 minutes with google |
| 03:37.10 | ice63 | hello i have a qestion...is there a good gui web browser that works good with blackbox ? |
| 03:37.52 | streuner | WMs arent care much what kind of browser you use |
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| 03:38.23 | BlackMagik | geo-rge: i got it to work. the --initrd did the trick |
| 03:38.37 | k-man___ | ice63: maybe you should elaborate a little and explain why the usual suspects aren't working for you with blackbox? |
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| 03:39.06 | geo-rge | BlackMagik: cool :) yeah, it's black magic the way all those scripts work :) |
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| 03:40.39 | BlackMagik | geor-rge: sure is magic |
| 03:40.59 | MasterGH | Hi, is it possible in Debian to make it so that in Iceweasel the middle mouse button will allow you to scroll by moving the mouse, instead of pasting what was last copied? |
| 03:41.55 | dalias | go to about:config |
| 03:41.58 | MasterGH | nvm, found it...was silly |
| 03:42.10 | jesseboy12 | how can you make sure you remove a package in debian, so that when you have to re-install it, it installs it as if it was the first time? |
| 03:42.16 | MasterGH | forgot about the autoscrolling option, sorry |
| 03:42.17 | dalias | but pasting is the standard behavior for middle button everywhere |
| 03:42.27 | MasterGH | Yeah |
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| 03:42.35 | dalias | you should prolly get used to it rather than trying to copy windows |
| 03:42.35 | MasterGH | I was trying to find the answer for someone else |
| 03:42.48 | ice63 | i used iceweasel and when i instlled mplayer & mplayer-plugin and when i go to ues it on comcast it jest crashes |
| 03:42.53 | dalias | there are plenty of other ways to scroll but no other way to paste |
| 03:43.32 | ice63 | in etch |
| 03:44.36 | ice63 | so i need a better browser lol |
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| 03:45.32 | k-man___ | with rsync, how do i do a filter that excludes everything, and then only includes files with XYZ in the pathname? |
| 03:45.37 | litage|w | what can i do to generate a log message that /bin/dmesg will display? |
| 03:45.48 | ice63 | hmm i gess lynx is it |
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| 03:48.56 | danf_1979 | does anyone want to test a wxpython app? Some sort of README http://pastebin.ca/raw/680668 and the app iin here: http://projects.empresaenlinea.cl/oam/oam.0.1.1.tar.gz |
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| 03:49.33 | danf_1979 | just $ python Main.py |
| 03:50.58 | nanotube | is it possible to change www-data shell to /bin/false ? does www-data need a shell? thanks |
| 03:51.05 | gpm | ImportError: No module named wx |
| 03:51.09 | mesof | nanotube: no it does not |
| 03:51.31 | nanotube | mesof: so why it is using shell by default? |
| 03:51.50 | mesof | nanotube: that i do not know |
| 03:52.11 | nanotube | mesof: thanks |
| 03:52.19 | Guerin | mesof: ask #apache |
| 03:52.37 | simonrvn | Guerin: |
| 03:52.52 | Guerin | meh |
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| 03:52.56 | danf_1979 | gmp, # aptitude install python-wxversion python python-crypto python-pysqlite2 |
| 03:52.58 | simonrvn | Guerin: :D |
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| 03:53.14 | danf_1979 | oh, there is an extra python pkg in there :p |
| 03:53.25 | danf_1979 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:57.39 | uwe1 | hi all. I have Debian Sarge with exim installed. It will send mail to other users of the machine, but not outside. I've tried sending mail to my gmail account - no luck. How do I start troubleshootng this ? |
| 03:58.33 | uwe1 | cd /var/log/mail/ |
| 03:58.39 | uwe1 | ls |
| 03:58.39 | uwe1 | ll |
| 03:58.39 | uwe1 | cd .. |
| 03:58.48 | uwe1 | oops :) |
| 03:59.01 | geo-rge | hmm... the bot didn't respond |
| 03:59.04 | dondelelcaro | uwe1: are you planning on receiving mail on that machine? |
| 03:59.10 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: status |
| 03:59.10 | dpkg | Since Mon Sep 3 11:05:03 2007, there have been 1 modification, 144 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 59 commands. I have been awake for 16h 54m 7s this session, and currently reference 37584 factoids. I'm using about 15544 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 51.57/3.5 child 0/0 |
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| 04:00.03 | lunitik | geo-rge: Not fast enough.... |
| 04:00.24 | geo-rge | lunitik: hmm, I must have been lagged then |
| 04:00.37 | gpm | danf_1979: still no dice, same error |
| 04:00.40 | uwe1 | dondelelcaro: nope |
| 04:00.44 | uwe1 | dondelelcaro: only sending |
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| 04:01.09 | uwe1 | dondelelcaro: I see in the log file "sending to remote domains not supported" |
| 04:01.17 | lunitik | geo-rge: likely... there was a delay between cd /var/log/mail and ls, then cd .. and oops... so only 3 in quick succession... needs to be 4 within a second or something. |
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| 04:02.30 | danf_1979 | gmp, are you sure python-wxversion is installed? # apt-cache policy python-wxversion |
| 04:03.09 | uwe1 | lunitik: thought I was in the shell |
| 04:04.03 | gpm | danf_1979: yes. and it's gpm, not gmp. there's this wonderful thing called tab-completion |
| 04:04.11 | gpm | also, why can't you test this yourself? |
| 04:04.44 | lunitik | !cd |
| 04:04.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, cd is a Compact-Disc, or something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory |
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| 04:04.51 | lunitik | !ls |
| 04:04.51 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 04:05.01 | danf_1979 | gpm, I did, I'm releasing it here |
| 04:05.16 | lunitik | Damnit... there was a factoid saying something like "Damnit jim, I'm not your terminal" or something? |
| 04:06.51 | dondelelcaro | !!! |
| 04:06.52 | dpkg | I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 04:09.30 | BlackMagik | !!! |
| 04:09.30 | dpkg | I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 04:09.35 | BlackMagik | i just had to see that |
| 04:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 04:11.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.08 | dpkg | ...but ls is already something else... |
| 04:11.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh |
| 04:11.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | thought the space would prevent recognition |
| 04:11.43 | BlackMagik | lol |
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| 04:12.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !111elf |
| 04:13.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !11 |
| 04:13.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !111 |
| 04:13.05 | dpkg | somebody said 111 was unununium |
| 04:13.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft |
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| 04:18.50 | mesof | back |
| 04:19.08 | mesof | !tmc |
| 04:19.08 | dpkg | well, tmc is TOO MUCH CODE!!! |
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| 04:29.31 | factor | anyone familiar with mailman and how to change the html pages. |
| 04:30.03 | Penix | factor: #mailman would probably know |
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| 04:30.50 | factor | been sitting in that channel for a bit |
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| 04:32.15 | Penix | factor: a quick google seems to return a fair few mailman admin manual results that outline what you're after |
| 04:32.41 | Penix | so, it seems it can be done |
| 04:32.52 | factor | I used to do it, old mailman |
| 04:33.14 | factor | /usr/share/mailman/ holds thehtmls but not chaging, wonder if they are compiled in |
| 04:33.33 | factor | or only grabs it on making a list |
| 04:33.54 | abchirk | hi |
| 04:34.20 | abchirk | Anyone knows a weather plugin for gnome? |
| 04:35.15 | Penix | abchirk: other than the weather applet included with it? |
| 04:35.32 | abchirk | oehm included? :P whats the name? |
| 04:35.41 | Penix | 'Weather Report' |
| 04:35.47 | jesseboy12 | how can you make sure you remove a package in debian, so that when you have to re-install it, it installs it as if it was the first time? |
| 04:35.54 | Penix | probably lives in gnome-applets or something |
| 04:36.05 | Penix | jesseboy12: --purge? |
| 04:36.09 | simonrvn | factor: /etc/mailman |
| 04:36.58 | factor | shazbot |
| 04:37.00 | factor | thanks |
| 04:37.12 | factor | looks like it put it in that dir |
| 04:37.14 | factor | thanks again |
| 04:38.03 | abchirk | mh Penix I cannot find it under applications...and also nothing with weather under console |
| 04:38.25 | Penix | abchirk: it's a panel applet |
| 04:38.41 | simonrvn | factor: the web ui has a way to edit them online |
| 04:38.53 | Penix | abchirk: right click the panel, 'Add to panel' |
| 04:39.51 | abchirk | ahhh thx .... lol I added the fish too :D |
| 04:39.56 | factor | humm did not know that |
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| 04:40.27 | abchirk | uh 8degress.. it gets colder |
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| 04:42.07 | TurboBee | I'm trying to install pppd on my debian installation but i dont have internet access there yet |
| 04:42.24 | TurboBee | is there a deb package i can download that will allow me to install pppd offline |
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| 04:42.41 | Penix | TurboBee: yes, the 'ppp' package |
| 04:42.43 | factor | still not changing the mailman webpage |
| 04:42.46 | Penix | TurboBee: packages.debian.org/ppp |
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| 04:42.49 | factor | restarted mailman and apache |
| 04:42.51 | TurboBee | thank you |
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| 04:43.21 | Penix | iirc its deps don't stray far from the base install |
| 04:43.24 | Penix | I'd assume, anyway |
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| 04:44.00 | Penix | hmm. bourbon makes me make less sense. |
| 04:44.00 | TurboBee | thats good news |
| 04:44.17 | TurboBee | thanks for your help, I will be back shortly to report if it works ;) |
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| 04:46.30 | factor | ok just took a bit used different browser , but works now |
| 04:46.43 | factor | just how I wanted it. |
| 04:47.10 | unilynx | Is vlc not available in lenny? |
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| 04:47.45 | Penix | ffs 'Pat Boone - In a metal mood' is awesome. |
| 04:48.05 | xjkx | Hi, i am looking for a free software solution that is in sources of debian that does use cases, like Rose does, to make analyses of system or something |
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| 04:49.36 | earnest | if i run lspci and i don't see my wireless pci card there, does that mean that i'm totally out of luck and ndiswrapper won't work at all? |
| 04:50.08 | dondelelcaro | earnest: are you sure it's a pci card? |
| 04:50.16 | Penix | earnest: not having a driver loaded shouldn't mean not seeing it on the bus |
| 04:50.20 | earnest | it fits into a pci slot |
| 04:50.48 | earnest | Penix: so I should see it, right? perhaps it's not well in place? |
| 04:51.06 | dondelelcaro | earnest: yes, you should see it |
| 04:51.14 | earnest | my card is a LinkSys WMP54G |
| 04:51.18 | Penix | and yes, perhaps it isn't fitted properly |
| 04:51.24 | Penix | you never know |
| 04:51.38 | earnest | it's a brand new card; it could be bad too |
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| 04:51.51 | earnest | i guess i will try taking out and putting it in |
| 04:52.00 | earnest | man, this sucks :| |
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| 04:54.31 | earnest | it has a led on it, but i suppose it would only lit if traffic goes through, right? |
| 04:55.08 | Penix | earnest: depends |
| 04:55.31 | Penix | could have an activity light and an 'operational'/'I'm working' light |
| 04:55.52 | Penix | or one for both functions |
| 04:56.29 | earnest | yeah; it could |
| 04:56.36 | earnest | well, nothing; so i'm out of ideas |
| 04:56.58 | ameyer | it sounds like a linux distro for a certain part of the male anatomy |
| 04:57.09 | Penix | earnest: tried the card in another box? tried it with different OS? can you see it in any BIOS output? |
| 04:57.20 | earnest | Penix: i don't have another box to try it |
| 04:57.21 | Penix | ameyer: you're five years too late |
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| 04:58.57 | TurboBee | nice |
| 04:58.57 | TurboBee | I'm not online with verizon's pc5750 |
| 04:58.57 | TurboBee | aircard |
| 04:58.59 | TurboBee | thanks again for your help |
| 04:59.15 | TurboBee | i wonder if there is a way to make this thing faster |
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| 05:00.26 | Penix | I can't believe how freaking tiny micro SD cards are |
| 05:00.30 | earnest | never used apt, but it seems to come set up to look up my cdrom only; how can i make it to look up the main repositories so that i can install software such as emacs, x.org, et cetera? |
| 05:01.18 | SpeedyG | earnest: by placing a # in front of the cdrom items, and adding source-mirrors :) |
| 05:01.29 | Guerin | earnest: /msg dpkg ig |
| 05:01.43 | earnest | im looking for source mirrors now |
| 05:01.54 | Penix | source mirror? what is this, #gentoo? |
| 05:02.56 | abchirk | deb src? |
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| 05:03.28 | earnest | apt-setup doesn't exist anymore? |
| 05:03.38 | Guerin | source is for chips |
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| 05:03.58 | Penix | and steak |
| 05:04.10 | Guerin | NEVAR! |
| 05:04.14 | Penix | bah! |
| 05:04.23 | Guerin | the beef gods frown at j00 |
| 05:04.36 | Penix | didn't mean just tomato |
| 05:04.52 | Penix | I'm not completely classless |
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| 05:06.49 | earnest | is http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ a valid address for apt source.list? |
| 05:07.01 | Guerin | earnest: /msg dpkg ig |
| 05:07.30 | earnest | Guerin: /msg'ed |
| 05:07.39 | earnest | a while ago |
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| 05:07.57 | Guerin | good |
| 05:08.04 | Guerin | now read what it tells you |
| 05:08.43 | earnest | i haven't found where it tells me |
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| 05:09.42 | earnest | i even begin to wonder where it tells me at all |
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| 05:10.24 | Guerin | why not? it's in plain english |
| 05:10.39 | Guerin | presuming you got the english version |
| 05:10.41 | c0rnd0g | hi |
| 05:10.57 | earnest | well, i found something through google |
| 05:11.13 | earnest | not through dpkg's ig |
| 05:11.19 | Guerin | ... |
| 05:11.37 | unilynx | Why is vlc not included in Testing? It's in unstable right? |
| 05:11.50 | Guerin | dpkg, why is vlc not in testing? |
| 05:11.51 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 05:11.58 | Guerin | unilynx: ↑ |
| 05:12.05 | c0rnd0g | is stardict going to be expanded in debian proper? like dictionaries for translation purposes and verbal pronunciation? |
| 05:12.14 | unilynx | thanks |
| 05:12.18 | Guerin | dpkg, tahwtda |
| 05:12.18 | dpkg | There's a Hard Way To Do Anything |
| 05:12.25 | Guerin | yes there is. Tell earnest. |
| 05:12.52 | Guerin | c0rnd0g: i dunno. Are you going to make it happen?\ |
| 05:13.25 | Guerin | and ... wtf is verbal pronunciation? |
| 05:13.27 | c0rnd0g | Guerin: no my hands are very full and i forgot bash right after Katrina so alot of catching up to do. but maybe if you pay me.... |
| 05:13.28 | Guerin | is there another kind? |
| 05:13.48 | Penix | forgot bash after katrina?...wtf.. |
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| 05:13.50 | c0rnd0g | Guerin: i will cut your grass for free + do it if you pay me. |
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| 05:14.03 | Guerin | c0rnd0g: then it can't be guaranteed. But you can file a wishlist bug or a RFP or something against it. |
| 05:14.20 | Guerin | c0rnd0g: i don't have any grass ... well, none which needs cutting, anyhow. |
| 05:14.20 | c0rnd0g | Penix: yep. Katrina devastated my computing environment, and that isn't a f... |
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| 05:15.04 | c0rnd0g | Guerin: what is an RFP? |
| 05:15.05 | Penix | thought you meant a natural disaster wiped computing knowledge from your memory... |
| 05:15.11 | Guerin | !rfp |
| 05:15.11 | dpkg | rfp is probably a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 05:15.33 | c0rnd0g | Penix: yep it did that as well. :) and that is not an f... |
| 05:15.36 | c0rnd0g | thanks Guerin |
| 05:15.48 | Guerin | clarification: a wishlist bug would be filed against stardict or whatever if it already exists but isn't as cool as you want it |
| 05:15.57 | Guerin | if the package isn't in debian, file a rfp |
| 05:16.00 | Gokee2 | Anyone here know of a good program for streaming video live from a video camra? |
| 05:16.32 | Guerin | what means `that is not an f...'? |
| 05:16.37 | Thrae | Alrightie. I think I made my Debian Stable into a Debian Stable/Testing hybrid. Anyway to degrade it? |
| 05:16.47 | Penix | Guerin: some sort of reference to my 'wtf' |
| 05:16.48 | c0rnd0g | Guerin: cool means to me its august and i have something cold to drink for cooling the heat in my body i dunno what you mean. let me check synatpic. |
| 05:16.49 | Guerin | Thrae: no. The only way is up. |
| 05:17.20 | Penix | Thrae: say it looks fat in those pants |
| 05:17.25 | Thrae | Well smack me with a stick and call me Sally. That's not good. |
| 05:17.25 | Guerin | heh |
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| 05:17.55 | Guerin | Thrae: Ok, Sally, but surely you could have avoided all this by reading the install guide? |
| 05:18.05 | Penix | you forgot the stick |
| 05:18.24 | Guerin | will a penix do? |
| 05:18.31 | Guerin | !penixstrike Thrae |
| 05:18.31 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Thrae to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:18.37 | Guerin | guess it'll have to. |
| 05:18.40 | Penix | close enough |
| 05:18.42 | Thrae | Guerin: I just didn't have my pinning down right -- there was one package I wanted from testing, but ended up upgrading other things from testing |
| 05:18.52 | Guerin | ah, the joys of pinnery. |
| 05:18.57 | c0rnd0g | Guerin: it means Penix said Hurricane Katrina did not have an effect on my economic environment which I did not have a computer hooked to a network for probably over 2 years which allowed loss of Linux knowledge. do you understand? :) |
| 05:19.05 | Thrae | Now the pinning is correct, but my kernel got updated. |
| 05:19.19 | Guerin | Thrae: did libc6 get upgraded? |
| 05:19.36 | Thrae | Is there a way to check what the stable version vs the testing version is? |
| 05:19.42 | Penix | not that I really care, but that's not what I said |
| 05:19.48 | Guerin | !info libc6 stable |
| 05:19.56 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 4588 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
| 05:20.00 | c0rnd0g | Penix: what did your metaphorical 'wtf` refer to? |
| 05:20.10 | Guerin | i didn't think it was metaphorical |
| 05:20.15 | Guerin | but hey |
| 05:20.30 | Guerin | while we're playing fast and loose, I suppose that's a cromulent enough verbonage |
| 05:20.33 | c0rnd0g | i swearing of metaphor usually isn't healthy :) |
| 05:20.56 | c0rnd0g | ok now i go to also broken dict.org translation help :) |
| 05:21.07 | Penix | c0rnd0g: the wording of your statement |
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| 05:21.29 | Penix | but, meh. more important things to discuss |
| 05:21.35 | c0rnd0g | Penix: ok. what did you mean by your statement? but nevermind, whatever, Penix |
| 05:21.45 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 05:21.45 | dpkg | [whatever] the last word spoken by the loser of an argument |
| 05:21.55 | c0rnd0g | !wtf |
| 05:21.56 | Thrae | Guerin: Yeah, mine is 2.6.1-1+b1 |
| 05:22.02 | c0rnd0g | lol |
| 05:22.08 | Guerin | Thrae: welcome to Live With Testing. |
| 05:22.10 | Thrae | !info libc6 testing |
| 05:22.13 | Guerin | err, Life. |
| 05:22.15 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6.1-1+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 4302 kB, Installed size: 10452 kB |
| 05:22.43 | Thrae | Well it's just a tiny router anyway. |
| 05:22.56 | Guerin | Thrae: does it run anything other than kernel? |
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| 05:23.57 | Thrae | Guerin: bind / named, dhcpd, dhclient, sshd, common stuff for routers |
| 05:24.14 | Thrae | I'm not going to put anything else on it right now...maybe Asterisk later, which will get tricky |
| 05:25.28 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have many machines behind a NAT and I want to access to all of them from outside via ssh, so I configured 192.168.1.11 to use port 22, and 192.168.1.14 to use port 23, now how can I access to one or another from outside my network? |
| 05:25.52 | Guerin | Thrae: you WILL have to watch the security lists like a hawk. Testing doesn't get timely security updates. |
| 05:26.19 | Thrae | Guerin: Yeah, that's what I figured. When I did my latest apt-get upgrade, they were all from security. |
| 05:26.20 | Guerin | gonzaloaf: forward those ports using iptables. lartc.org |
| 05:26.33 | Guerin | oh, hm, maybe testing does get sec |
| 05:26.35 | Guerin | ok |
| 05:26.39 | Guerin | well, you might be in luck. |
| 05:26.49 | gonzaloaf | Guerin, my computers are connected to a router |
| 05:26.54 | Thrae | Yes, testing has security, unstable doesn't |
| 05:26.59 | Guerin | gonzaloaf: then configure the router. |
| 05:27.09 | Guerin | Thrae: unstable does as part of ordinary upgrades. |
| 05:27.35 | Guerin | tbpfh i haven't used testing for a while |
| 05:27.53 | Guerin | i think my wife's laptop even runs sid now |
| 05:28.09 | gonzaloaf | Guerin, the router knows that have to send the packets to port 22 to 192.168.1.11 and to 192.168.1.14 to port 23, my question is how to tell ssh that I'm connecting to one of the tow computers? |
| 05:28.22 | Guerin | speaking of which, I bought her a graphire graphics tablet for her birthday and they're awesome - and work superbly under loonix too |
| 05:28.35 | Thrae | I use Shorewall on the router, so I was lazy and used the Shorewall package...which only existed in testing. But now I installed Shorewall from scratch anyway to get the benefits of 4.0. |
| 05:28.42 | Guerin | gonzaloaf: wtf? |
| 05:28.42 | c0rnd0g | Thrae: come again? |
| 05:28.48 | c0rnd0g | Thrae: what you say? |
| 05:29.03 | Penix | Guerin: does it use touchscreen drivers or something? |
| 05:29.35 | mesof | papermate is made by gillette |
| 05:29.40 | SpeedyG | gonzaloaf: ssh -p 22 -l $username $hostname |
| 05:29.41 | SpeedyG | and |
| 05:29.43 | gonzaloaf | Guerin, I just tell from outside: $ssh my_public_ip, so how do I tell ssh to connect to 192.168.1.11 or .14 ? |
| 05:29.44 | Penix | been wondering about those since I became an ipaq/ds whore |
| 05:29.46 | SpeedyG | gonzaloaf: ssh -p 23 -l $username $hostname |
| 05:29.49 | c0rnd0g | !ping Thrae |
| 05:29.52 | Guerin | Penix: its own driver, which is a mouse-like thing. In the mainline kernel, works out of the box. Needs some tweaks to xorg.conf, but easy as. |
| 05:29.59 | gonzaloaf | SpeedyG, ooh let me try |
| 05:29.59 | slapfaceware | what's ipaq/ds? |
| 05:30.02 | Thrae | c0rnd0g: Yeah? |
| 05:30.12 | Guerin | slapfaceware: something you can google |
| 05:30.21 | SpeedyG | gonzaloaf: if the router is configured correctly, it should work (Thats how I do it :P) |
| 05:30.25 | Penix | slapfaceware: nintendo ds and hp ipaq. in other words, I'm a touch whore |
| 05:30.28 | SpeedyG | (and how half the world does it :P) |
| 05:30.40 | slapfaceware | Guerin! remember me? |
| 05:30.45 | Penix | tablets seem similar. wanna try em |
| 05:30.45 | Thrae | SpeedyG: Just ordered a 6800 / HTC Mogul here ;) |
| 05:30.46 | c0rnd0g | Thrae: what you say ? `unstable is no security and testing does`? where do you get this beautiful generic artistry? |
| 05:31.00 | Guerin | slapfaceware: quite. |
| 05:31.25 | Guerin | Penix: tablets only work with the stylus - at least this one does |
| 05:31.27 | Thrae | c0rnd0g: I had unstable setup to retreive main and contrib, and it was giving me errors not being able to locate Packages. |
| 05:31.35 | Guerin | but it really is just like drawing on paper |
| 05:31.48 | Guerin | and it CAN be made to work as a mouse |
| 05:32.10 | Thrae | c0rnd0g: deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable/updates main contrib, deb-src http://security.debian.org/ unstable/updates main contrib |
| 05:32.14 | c0rnd0g | Thrae: so mirroring ping timeouts = insecurity? and this drawing comes up with what Salvador Dali landscape? |
| 05:32.25 | gonzaloaf | SpeedyG, yes it works, thanks |
| 05:32.33 | SpeedyG | gonzaloaf: yw :) |
| 05:32.33 | Guerin | c0rnd0g: step away from the bong. |
| 05:32.43 | Penix | no, get closer |
| 05:32.47 | Guerin | or that |
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| 05:32.57 | Guerin | definitely either too wasted or not wasted enough |
| 05:33.15 | Thrae | security.debian.org redirects to different addresses for stable, testing, and unstable? |
| 05:33.22 | c0rnd0g | Guerin: generic statements that ping timeouts of .security.debian.org = "yeah testing is much more secure than unstable" is very dangerous IMHO. |
| 05:33.39 | Guerin | c0rnd0g: um... that's not what he said |
| 05:33.41 | Penix | Thrae: no. you specify which branch you want |
| 05:33.43 | Thrae | c0rnd0g: That wasn't the problem. stable and testing were able to hit security.debian.org fine, just not unstable. |
| 05:34.07 | Guerin | s.d.o is a round-robin |
| 05:34.13 | Guerin | but the three repos should be identical |
| 05:34.20 | SpeedyG | hm, I should more regularly update my router .. |
| 05:34.25 | SpeedyG | havent updated it since etch became stable ... |
| 05:34.26 | c0rnd0g | oh, i regress. Thrae probably because alot of folks were upgrading to unstable at the time? maybe try a different mirror, even if more remote? |
| 05:34.33 | Guerin | i one is down, you can wait for the TTL to expire and it'll start working again |
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| 05:34.54 | c0rnd0g | hi deadb0x |
| 05:35.02 | deadb0x | evenin |
| 05:35.14 | deadb0x | anyone here have a man page or documentation for the pam_unix.so option "nullok_secure" ? |
| 05:35.19 | Thrae | 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.250 80] <-- I've been getting this all day, and ONLY with unstable |
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| 05:35.46 | Thrae | So I'm guessing security.debian.org is trying to send me to same site every time for unstable, while different sites for stable and testing. |
| 05:35.47 | Penix | Thrae: hmm. I wonder why |
| 05:36.02 | Thrae | I thought each mirror had all three. |
| 05:36.05 | Penix | Thrae: haven't you been paying attention for last 10 minutes or something? |
| 05:36.20 | Penix | scroll up |
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| 05:36.49 | c0rnd0g | Penix: whats up with .security.debian.org cuz i'm using unstable as well...? |
| 05:37.00 | Guerin | fuckinghell you people are stupid |
| 05:37.09 | Guerin | security.d.o is a DNS round-robin |
| 05:37.15 | c0rnd0g | ok...and? |
| 05:37.27 | Guerin | the name points to THREE ip addresses |
| 05:37.36 | c0rnd0g | Guerin: ok. i accept it. i am stupid. can you at least give me the info? |
| 05:38.03 | Guerin | when you ask your local dns server for the name, it picks one, and you get that one until the authoritative server's time to live value expires |
| 05:38.16 | Thrae | Guerin: And about how long is that? |
| 05:38.18 | c0rnd0g | ok...and? |
| 05:38.30 | simonrvn | dig security.debian.org and look |
| 05:38.42 | Guerin | Thrae: depends on the serveradmin. You can ptobably see the value with `dig security.debian.org' |
| 05:39.06 | Guerin | c0rnd0g: your choice of distro has NOTHING to do with which server resolves to s.d.o |
| 05:39.10 | Guerin | nothing whatever |
| 05:39.16 | phlux | I just wish compiz worked with it :( |
| 05:39.27 | slapfaceware | what do you know about debian, inlove? |
| 05:39.35 | SpeedyG | phlux: if you're lucky, it does ;) |
| 05:39.41 | Thrae | Guerin: Where's TTL on there? The "security.debian.org. 300" <-- ttl? |
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| 05:40.07 | phlux | SpeedyG, I have the right card, driver, and processor speed |
| 05:40.10 | phlux | It just plain won't work |
| 05:40.12 | litage|w | hi guys. which syslog-ng filter needs to be modified to change which messages are shown from /bin/dmesg ? |
| 05:40.28 | phlux | turns the screen solid white on an ATI card |
| 05:40.41 | SpeedyG | phlux: i've had it working.. but then nvidia drivers began bugging me |
| 05:41.00 | minerale | Anyone here uses centericq -- i'm not sure if it's my terminal but that application when being used breaks my terminal, I start seeing weird characters, can only be fixed by ctrl - l |
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| 05:41.06 | SpeedyG | then I had kinda like the same issue, but my screen turned black ;) |
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| 05:41.10 | Thrae | Guerin: I just find this odd that it's been doing this for about 3 hours now, through 5 reboots (not related to the issue -- generally, I don't care about unstable) |
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| 05:41.50 | Guerin | Thrae: yes, 300. |
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| 05:42.01 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 05:42.02 | Guerin | Thrae: nameservers cache. |
| 05:42.08 | lkthomas | guys |
| 05:42.37 | Guerin | minerale: you probably have the wrong TERM value set |
| 05:42.44 | lkthomas | hddtemp try to access /dev/hdc but the permission don't allow to do that |
| 05:43.02 | deadb0x | god kills a kitten when a linux user doesnt understand how DNSs work |
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| 05:43.15 | Penix | Thrae: what's odd? that you're trying to fetch unstable security updates from s.d.o and its not giving you anything back? |
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| 05:43.21 | SpeedyG | deadb0x: if thats true, there's a lot of dead kittens on my account ;) |
| 05:43.32 | simonrvn | your god sucks then ;) |
| 05:43.34 | deadb0x | murderer! |
| 05:43.50 | Wintre | Hello folks. I'd like to have an encrypted home directory, but I want to use LVM LVs instead of loopback-mounted files. Any thoughts? |
| 05:44.00 | deadb0x | dns and diald were the first things I setup... in the days before pentium 1 :P |
| 05:44.01 | simonrvn | Thrae: um, sid doesn't get security updates |
| 05:44.02 | SpeedyG | hey, I cant help it.. I learned linux before I learned DNS :p |
| 05:44.18 | bessarabov | hi! i have s small script that starts NAT. What is the best place to put it, to load during the boot time? |
| 05:44.33 | Wintre | Ahhh DNS |
| 05:44.44 | simonrvn | bessarabov: um, after your network starts? ;) |
| 05:44.45 | deadb0x | anyone here have a man page or documentation for the pam_unix.so option "nullok_secure" ? |
| 05:44.48 | Penix | Wintre: it's called 'dm-crypt' or something iirc |
| 05:45.32 | bessarabov | simonrvn: =) so you mean to make some script in inet.d? |
| 05:45.45 | Wintre | Right, I found this: http://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/Default.aspx?pageindex=6&pageid=26 |
| 05:46.03 | simonrvn | what does inetd have to do with this? you mean init.d presumably... |
| 05:46.11 | Penix | Wintre: that's nice |
| 05:46.25 | deadb0x | wintre for encrypted drives youll need the hashalot, dm-crypt, lvm and initramfs packages |
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| 05:46.29 | jesseboy12 | how can you make sure you remove a package in debian, so that when you have to re-install it, it installs it as if it was the first time? |
| 05:46.47 | Penix | jesseboy12: purging didn't work, I take it? |
| 05:46.51 | Wintre | But the config file seems to offer enough flexibiltiy that I don't need to add yet another stupid layer and put files of filesystems into my /home LV |
| 05:46.52 | simonrvn | jesseboy12: you were told `--purge' an hour ago |
| 05:47.03 | Wintre | hmmm |
| 05:47.08 | deadb0x | jesseboy12 you can always do dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> |
| 05:47.18 | bessarabov | simonrvn: well, the only way i know to start smth during the boot time is to make the script in inet.d |
| 05:47.21 | Zylstra555 | Hello, I have doomed myself by installing Debian on a Mac... I am unable to use my Netgear WG111 v2 Wireless USB Adapter... where should I start? |
| 05:47.29 | Penix | Wintre: you're already adding 'another stupid layer' with encryption support in general |
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| 05:47.39 | Wintre | deadb0x: I don't want an encrypted root; this is for a co-located server, and I want it to come up unattended |
| 05:47.40 | mashuuk | Hi |
| 05:47.43 | deadb0x | wintre lvm adds alot of flexibility and worth it |
| 05:47.44 | mashuuk | I am looking for a mp3 encoder |
| 05:47.46 | mashuuk | any help ? |
| 05:47.52 | mashuuk | any mp3 encoder in debian ? |
| 05:47.59 | simonrvn | bessarabov: repeating this to make sure you got me: what does inetd have to do with this? you mean init.d presumably... |
| 05:48.00 | Wintre | deadbox: Yes, I've been using LVM for many years, and it's very nice |
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| 05:48.12 | Wintre | Certainly better than loopback devices in this case |
| 05:48.14 | mashuuk | ? |
| 05:48.16 | mashuuk | Any help ? |
| 05:48.24 | deadb0x | Wintre um.. if you want it to boot unattended with no password whats the point of encryption? |
| 05:48.26 | Penix | did someone say WG111 v2? |
| 05:48.26 | SpeedyG | mashuuk: patience.. |
| 05:48.26 | simonrvn | !tell mashuuk -about search |
| 05:48.27 | Zylstra555 | Mashuuk: I dont know of any Linux encoders, but in the case no one else can help you, try www.media-convert.com |
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| 05:48.56 | Wintre | deadb0x: So my fears of $dood walking off with my disks are lessened. |
| 05:48.58 | Zylstra555 | Penix: Yes, I realise it isnt the best of adapters, but its all I've got |
| 05:48.58 | simonrvn | Zylstra555, mashuuk: debian-multimedia.org |
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| 05:49.09 | Wintre | deadb0x: I don't give a damn if they find stuff on my / |
| 05:49.18 | behrad | snmpd in my system onley listen on 127.0.0.1, why this is defaults and how can i chnge it? |
| 05:49.30 | Wintre | I don't want them to trivially be able to read my mail or look into my home directory |
| 05:49.49 | bessarabov | simonrvn: you have said that i should start my script after starting network. As i know the network start with by starting script in init.d. So i have a symlink in rc2.d like S90network that starts /etc/init.d/network |
| 05:50.01 | deadb0x | wintre... well if they walk off with your machine.. or disks... they jsut have to drop them in another machine and the disks would boot... encryption wouldnt prevent that |
| 05:50.02 | simonrvn | behrad: because people that know will change it |
| 05:50.03 | Zylstra555 | The strange thing is that the WG111 v2 works fine in Ubuntu, but it doesnt work at all in Debian... |
| 05:50.08 | mashuuk | simonrvn, thx ! :) |
| 05:50.10 | Wintre | Yes deadb-x |
| 05:50.19 | Wintre | But they will not be able to read my private data |
| 05:50.29 | bessarabov | simonrvn: so i thought that your are saying that i should make smthing like S91start_nat |
| 05:50.39 | Wintre | It is still encrypted, with a passphrase |
| 05:50.41 | simonrvn | bessarabov: that's just a symlink |
| 05:50.42 | Guerin | Wintre: use gpg. |
| 05:50.53 | bessarabov | simonrvn: yes, i know that =) |
| 05:50.56 | behrad | simonrvn, where this option was config? |
| 05:50.58 | deadb0x | wintre sure they would... if your home is encrypted and automounted during boot unattended |
| 05:51.04 | Wintre | Guerin: What, file by file? |
| 05:51.04 | jesseboy12 | how do you purge then? |
| 05:51.06 | jesseboy12 | what is that command? |
| 05:51.19 | Wintre | deadbox: Right. Of course it would not be decrypted and automounted at boot. |
| 05:51.21 | simonrvn | behrad: /etc/default |
| 05:51.24 | Zylstra555 | Also, NDISWRAPPER will not install its Utilities |
| 05:51.27 | behrad | simonrvn, when i use agentaddress stop snmpd with code 1 |
| 05:51.30 | Penix | jesseboy12: apt-get --purge remove <package> |
| 05:51.40 | Guerin | Wintre: i was thinking dir by dir, but fine. |
| 05:51.43 | Wintre | It, and directories containing my mail, would have to wait for me to log in and mount theen |
| 05:51.48 | behrad | simonrvn, thanks |
| 05:51.52 | Wintre | guerin: Right, no thanks to that either |
| 05:52.08 | Guerin | Wintre: yeah, it doesn't sound like what you're after, having read the scrollies. |
| 05:52.10 | jesseboy12 | yah that did it |
| 05:52.11 | jesseboy12 | thanks |
| 05:52.24 | Wintre | Guerin: I was in here a week or two ago discussing it as you may remember |
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| 05:52.31 | Guerin | nope, I don';t |
| 05:52.35 | simonrvn | bessarabov: what are you asking exactly? permission? how to do it? what? |
| 05:52.45 | deadb0x | wintre.. well wouldnt be quite unattended then... perhaps a better solution would be a seperate encrypted partition or file you manually mount and unlock for you data and independant of the rest of the actual system... something as simple as truecrypt could manage that |
| 05:53.11 | Wintre | We started talking ultimately about somebody's scheme for hiding encrpyed data in sparse files in random data or something similar? |
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| 05:53.25 | Wintre | deadb0x: I think I'm not making myself clear |
| 05:54.03 | Wintre | deadb0x: The goal is for the system to be able to boot up so I can log in and enter passphrases |
| 05:54.06 | Zylstra555 | Just out of curiosity, is anyone here from ComputerHope Forums? |
| 05:54.10 | Guerin | Wintre: oh, yes, I remember now. |
| 05:54.32 | Wintre | deadb0x: If my mail is delayed on my secondar server until then, that's fine |
| 05:54.48 | Wintre | Or if my personal pages aren't available |
| 05:55.03 | deadb0x | wintre... well you need a fully functional multi user system to login remotely... and you can do that without log and mail files and other sensitve areas... |
| 05:55.14 | Wintre | Yes. |
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| 05:55.40 | dondelelcaro | there's little point in encrypting mail that's not encrypted itself; as far as logs go, you can just ditch them entirely. |
| 05:55.42 | Wintre | So I plan for encrypted /var/mail, /var/spool/exim4 (right? ISTR that's where it is), encrypted home devices of some kind |
| 05:55.42 | deadb0x | wintre... er cant rather... your server will keep choking and complaining |
| 05:55.47 | dondelelcaro | (if you actually care about security) |
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| 05:56.06 | Wintre | dondelelcaro: I'm not that concerned |
| 05:56.15 | Wintre | I doubt there will be much I care about in logs |
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| 05:56.34 | dondelelcaro | if you just want the storage of mail on your physical computer to be secure, then just gpg encrypt it in procmail or similar before you write it to disk |
| 05:57.04 | Wintre | I'm not trying to secure myself against e.g. the NSA or a determined attacker who has targeted me personally |
| 05:57.13 | dondelelcaro | so what's the threat? |
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| 05:57.35 | Wintre | dondelelcaro: I want my personal information to be secured from idle probers in the case my disk is lost |
| 05:57.36 | Zylstra555 | Hello, I have doomed myself by installing Debian on a Mac... I am unable to use my Netgear WG111 v2 Wireless USB Adapter... where should I start? |
| 05:57.42 | Wintre | (or disks at the case happens to be) |
| 05:58.17 | dondelelcaro | Wintre: so use encrypted data directories for everything but the very minimal stuff that you need to actually log in |
| 05:58.20 | Wintre | I don't want a system where I have to consciously think "Oh, I want to hide this" and encrypt things manually |
| 05:58.21 | Penix | Zylstra555: you should start by searching for information/documentation relevant to installing and configuring your device with Linux or Debian |
| 05:58.47 | Guerin | encrypted /homedirs are easily doable, no? |
| 05:58.50 | dondelelcaro | Wintre: FE, you can easily not mount /home at boot, and have a special user which you can login as to mount /home. |
| 05:58.50 | Wintre | Yes |
| 05:58.55 | Zylstra555 | does the debian website contain a list of hardware and its compatibility? If so, where can I find that? |
| 05:58.59 | Guerin | !hcl |
| 05:58.59 | dpkg | hcl is probably at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
| 05:59.03 | Guerin | Zylstra555: ↑ |
| 05:59.13 | Zylstra555 | Oh, thanks very much |
| 05:59.15 | Zylstra555 | ill have a look |
| 05:59.18 | Wintre | guerin: http://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/Default.aspx?pageindex=6&pageid=26 talks about it |
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| 05:59.38 | Wintre | But that uses big files and losetup |
| 05:59.49 | Wintre | And it seems that LVM LVs are a far preferrable solution |
| 05:59.53 | Zylstra555 | g2g, I.ll try it out, thanks |
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| 06:00.02 | Wintre | So I wondered if anybody had any thoughts about that or experience with it |
| 06:00.10 | Guerin | Wintre: i'm writing a paper at the moent - #debian is just enough procrastination to keep me from going spare, and yet still allow me to get some done. Reading whitepapers on encrypted storage is a step too far :) |
| 06:00.16 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I disable the mta in order to not load it at boot? |
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| 06:00.30 | Wintre | guerin: Heh. It's not really a whitepaper, just some steps to follow |
| 06:00.39 | Penix | I've been pondering full home dir subversion just for kicks |
| 06:00.39 | dondelelcaro | gonzaloaf: uh... you generally want an MTA running |
| 06:00.41 | Wintre | It looks worse than it is IOW |
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| 06:00.53 | gonzaloaf | dondelelcaro, what for? |
| 06:01.00 | dondelelcaro | gonzaloaf: to get mail off of your machine. |
| 06:01.02 | gonzaloaf | dondelelcaro, I need to save RAM |
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| 06:01.27 | gonzaloaf | dondelelcaro, is a svn server, do you think it will need a mta? |
| 06:01.31 | dondelelcaro | gonzaloaf: if you're not actually receiving mail, then install something small, like nullmailer or similar. |
| 06:01.37 | Wintre | dondelelcaro: Anyway, it looks like getting an individual's encrypted home directory mounted at boot is no problem |
| 06:01.37 | dondelelcaro | gonzaloaf: yes, it will need an MTA. |
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| 06:01.45 | Wintre | Err, at *login* |
| 06:01.58 | Wintre | However |
| 06:02.10 | Wintre | I make extensive use of the qmail-like .forward-foo functionality in exim |
| 06:02.24 | Wintre | Which is not very compatible with my home directory disappearing. |
| 06:02.30 | dondelelcaro | svn servers run commit hooks, cronjobs and all sorts of other things that require a functional MTA. |
| 06:03.14 | gonzaloaf | dondelelcaro, ok I removed exim4 and installed nullmailer, then how do I have to configure it? |
| 06:03.27 | Wintre | I'd be very surprised to find an MTA sucking up significant amounts of memory on anything but a very high-traffic mail server |
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| 06:03.43 | Guerin | they don't, indeed |
| 06:03.46 | Aleksej | hi |
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| 06:03.56 | dondelelcaro | gonzaloaf: it asked you questions to configure itself when you installed it. |
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| 06:04.13 | Wintre | What paper are you writing, guerin? |
| 06:04.20 | Aleksej | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/49684 -- does this still happen? The description sounds different from what it happens here, though. |
| 06:04.53 | Guerin | Aleksej: ask #ubuntu |
| 06:04.55 | Aleksej | Debian Lenny, GeForce 6600LE. The logo wasn't rendered on Sarge and Etch with the driver, though. |
| 06:04.59 | Aleksej | Guerin: see above. |
| 06:05.51 | Aleksej | http://delsoft.dyndns.org/tmp/renmp.png -- this is how Minefield start page looks. |
| 06:06.15 | Guerin | oh, xrender |
| 06:06.17 | Aleksej | Note the logo and the tabs on the right. |
| 06:06.18 | dondelelcaro | Aleksej: which driver are you using? |
| 06:06.23 | Aleksej | dondelelcaro: "nv" |
| 06:07.16 | Wintre | A straight encrypted /home is probably the best bet, in retrospect, because then I will just mount it along with all the others, and I won't have any precarious dependencies in my services |
| 06:07.36 | Wintre | e.g. mail bouncing when it shouldn't because ~/.forward-foo doesn't exist |
| 06:07.45 | Wintre | Cheers |
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| 06:17.48 | deadb0x | anyone here have a man page or documentation for the pam_unix.so option "nullok_secure" ? |
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| 06:20.59 | Guerin | themo|ester: is it really necessary? |
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| 06:30.18 | vlt | Hello. I want to print to a little soho router with integrated usb pinter server. The manual says the lpr printer name was lp0. How is the correct CUPS URI? I tried lpd://hostname/lp0 -- but when printing a test page I get a spool progress and then "remote host did not accept data file (32)". The box seems to be listen to port 9100. Any idea? |
| 06:31.23 | geo-rge | vlt: hmm hp printers listen on port 9100 |
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| 06:43.11 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:46.23 | Wyzard | geo-rge: http://www.lprng.com/LPRng-HOWTO-Multipart/appsocket.htm |
| 06:47.06 | geo-rge | vlt: <Wyzard> geo-rge: http://www.lprng.com/LPRng-HOWTO-Multipart/appsocket.htm |
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| 06:47.33 | Wyzard | That's a protocol used by some network printers |
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| 06:48.01 | Wyzard | sounds like you can submit jobs to it via the network rather than just via USB |
| 06:48.45 | Wyzard | I believe CUPS has AppSocket as an option for adding a remote printer |
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| 07:00.40 | mesof | i just got attacked by a rabbid animal outside |
| 07:00.59 | mesof | well preyed upon |
| 07:01.25 | mesof | !offtopic |
| 07:01.25 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
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| 07:06.27 | tarzeau | hello? someone asked for me, but my backlog isn't that large |
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| 07:12.07 | CAiRO- | is there a way to set the stride option for ext3 after the file system has been created already? |
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| 07:16.40 | jdavis_ | Hi, I'm trying to get my thinkpad to use my projector. I have atitvout, and that works, but only from the CLI, it doesn't work at all from X |
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| 07:18.21 | jdavis_ | My graphics card (from lspci) is a radeon mobility 7500 |
| 07:18.45 | jdavis_ | and apparently drivers "ati" and "radeon" both seem to basically work. |
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| 07:19.08 | jdavis_ | but when I do "atitvout detect" in X I only see "CRT". |
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| 07:20.36 | cuco | i am trying to install yakuake from backports into etch, anyone has done it? (basically I cannot install anything from backports) |
| 07:20.46 | cuco | how do i search which packages are available from backports? |
| 07:21.00 | wols | !backports |
| 07:21.01 | dpkg | it has been said that backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 07:21.21 | nocturn | Hi guys, I'm having trouble apt-get updateing a sarge 64-bit machine |
| 07:21.47 | nocturn | The error is: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.belnet.be sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.belnet.be_packages_debian_dists_sarge_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 07:22.04 | nocturn | I checked the ftp site and binary_amd64 doesn't exist there |
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| 07:22.11 | nocturn | ia64 does |
| 07:22.18 | wols | maybe you should upgrade to etch? or choose a new mirror? |
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| 07:23.23 | nocturn | wols |
| 07:23.37 | nocturn | wols: I think the amd64 branch of Sarge never was official |
| 07:23.47 | wols | you're right |
| 07:23.59 | nocturn | Can I switch to ia64? or is the old branch still up somewhere? |
| 07:24.09 | wols | but you can't run sarge/amd64 forever either |
| 07:24.11 | nocturn | I cannot upgrade this system, it's part of a BEOWULF cluster |
| 07:24.14 | wols | ia64 is intatium |
| 07:24.24 | wols | *itanium |
| 07:24.44 | wols | and I'm sure your beowulf software is available for etch too |
| 07:24.44 | nocturn | If I update this one, I have to upgrade all machines, which means 50 upgrades |
| 07:24.47 | nocturn | and downtime |
| 07:24.56 | nocturn | wols: the software isn't a problem... |
| 07:25.09 | nocturn | though I need to test all the needed libraries and codes on Etch first |
| 07:25.20 | nocturn | The downtime is the problem |
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| 07:28.19 | WunHeart | hi all\ |
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| 07:29.13 | WunHeart | I have a problem with iceape/seamonkey on etch. |
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| 07:31.03 | slapfaceware | how do i add a tgz package for debian |
| 07:31.45 | geo-rge | slapfaceware: compile it from source |
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| 07:32.11 | slapfaceware | but im allergy to that |
| 07:32.17 | slapfaceware | debian is a binary based distro |
| 07:32.21 | geo-rge | not my problem |
| 07:32.27 | slapfaceware | compile from source doesn't fit debian |
| 07:32.38 | liable | then get a .deb of it |
| 07:32.44 | Eulex | slapfaceware, is it an archive containing source or binaries? |
| 07:32.46 | slapfaceware | i'd use slackware or gentoo |
| 07:33.01 | slapfaceware | it's zimbra |
| 07:33.03 | liable | slapfaceware: you asked a question, were given the answer |
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| 07:33.26 | WunHeart | I had iceape working fine on a my machine (AMD 64), but then I thought I might be able to upgrade to seamonkey 1.1.4. Since then I am unable to start the iceape application as my browser. I have tried to uninstall and purged the package using aptitude and then reinstalled iceape. Still I am unable to get ice ape to fire up. I am not getting any feedback as to what is happening. How do I check for errors for iceape? |
| 07:33.30 | slapfaceware | if you actually read.. liable |
| 07:33.44 | slapfaceware | i did not get an answer to my question |
| 07:34.24 | slapfaceware | am i going to be in trouble if i use debian binary in .tgz format |
| 07:34.38 | geo-rge | slapfaceware: that couldn't be further from the truth: debian has prpbably the most stable set of compilers and tools of any dist and that includes its unstable dist (which has to be (what?) -compiled- by someone |
| 07:34.40 | geo-rge | ) |
| 07:35.10 | nocturn | Can anyone help out with 'Stale NFS file handle' errors? |
| 07:35.15 | nocturn | I'm stuck with them for over a day |
| 07:35.25 | nocturn | rebooting both client and server doesn't help |
| 07:35.37 | jetscreamer | i read about that once, but it was a year ago |
| 07:35.46 | jetscreamer | you can find it luke! |
| 07:35.51 | Eulex | slapfaceware, well, _I_ didn't get an answer to my question either. |
| 07:36.03 | nocturn | I have had them many times in the past.... but rebooting normally clears the errors |
| 07:36.21 | slapfaceware | Eulex, sorry, what? |
| 07:36.27 | nocturn | It's actually the only way I found to fix it in the last 7 years... |
| 07:36.28 | Eulex | <Eulex> slapfaceware, is it an archive containing source or binaries? |
| 07:36.44 | slapfaceware | Eulex, http://www.zimbra.com/community/downloads.html i think it's binary without source |
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| 07:37.46 | jetscreamer | how can it be a debian binary in .tgz format |
| 07:37.55 | jetscreamer | what makes it debian, is my question |
| 07:38.02 | jetscreamer | it's from debian.org? or pdo? |
| 07:38.03 | Eulex | slapfaceware, take a look at what is inside the archive, read any readme etc. |
| 07:38.16 | Eulex | jetscreamer, apparently compiled for debian. |
| 07:38.41 | jetscreamer | then it's not 'debian' :) |
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| 07:39.17 | WunHeart | Has anyone got seamonkey working with etch using AMD 64 bit? |
| 07:39.49 | jetscreamer | i did when etch was sid or so probably... or testing |
| 07:39.52 | Eulex | slapfaceware, there is no 'one-size-fits-all' answer to your question. hopefully the archive will contain instructions on how to install and run it. |
| 07:39.58 | jetscreamer | even though it doesn't really work like that for sid |
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| 07:41.36 | WunHeart | i have tried to install seamonkey but i get a error say it can not read libgtk2-x11.2.o.0 or something similar. Yet I think I have this installed. |
| 07:41.48 | jetscreamer | you should have installed it in /usr/local or something |
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| 07:42.02 | jetscreamer | and just run it seperate |
| 07:42.06 | Eulex | WunHeart, how did you install seamonkey? |
| 07:42.13 | nocturn | Strange... |
| 07:42.23 | nocturn | I only get the stale-nfs filehandle as the users |
| 07:42.25 | nocturn | not as root |
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| 07:42.31 | nocturn | What's up... |
| 07:42.43 | WunHeart | Basically I followed instruction in the downloaded file |
| 07:43.09 | Eulex | WunHeart, which file which you did download from where? |
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| 07:43.53 | WunHeart | extracted the tar.gz file and ran ./seamonkey-installer command |
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| 07:44.42 | jetscreamer | use the ./seamonkey-uninstaller ? :) |
| 07:44.55 | Eulex | WunHeart, wherever you got that binary, it was made for use with other versions of shared libraries than you do have. |
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| 07:45.06 | jetscreamer | what does seamonkey have that iceape doesn't |
| 07:45.17 | WunHeart | yes and I get the following message "./seamonkey-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 07:45.27 | Rhoruns_ | does anyone know of a very small and simple GUI i can install on my debian netinst PC?? |
| 07:45.29 | geo-rge | a really cool name! |
| 07:45.32 | Eulex | WunHeart, and do you have that file? |
| 07:45.36 | Rhoruns_ | i dont want to use X, because it's only a 600mhz celeron |
| 07:45.45 | WunHeart | seamonkey is the latest version... |
| 07:45.48 | jetscreamer | and/or is it in our path |
| 07:46.04 | jetscreamer | s/our/your/ |
| 07:46.06 | Aleksej | Rhoruns_: framebuffer? |
| 07:46.10 | WunHeart | i think I do have that file |
| 07:46.19 | WunHeart | it is symbolic link |
| 07:46.21 | Rhoruns_ | framebuffer? lol, is that a name? |
| 07:46.30 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 07:46.32 | Aleksej | Rhoruns_: there is some (or more) GUI for it |
| 07:46.36 | Eulex | Rhoruns_, it depends more on available ram than cpu speed. |
| 07:46.38 | Aleksej | I mean, window manager |
| 07:46.39 | jetscreamer | graphics in console |
| 07:46.47 | jetscreamer | pwetty pictures |
| 07:46.57 | WunHeart | not sure about if it in the path will check give me a minute |
| 07:47.01 | jetscreamer | any would require X, or xorg |
| 07:47.07 | Rhoruns_ | Eulex, i only have 194mb of RAM. i would prefer to not have a GUI, but commandline is just making me pull my hair out |
| 07:47.19 | jetscreamer | icewm, blackbox,twm,fluxbox,xfce,others |
| 07:47.25 | Eulex | WunHeart, ls -al /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 ? |
| 07:47.34 | jetscreamer | twm for ultra lightweight |
| 07:47.45 | Eulex | Rhoruns_, 194mb? that's an odd amount. but anyway, X will work fine. |
| 07:47.48 | Rhoruns_ | is it easy to install and use? with mouse support? |
| 07:47.57 | lunitik | jetscreamer: I think he wants to retain his hair, though.... |
| 07:47.59 | jetscreamer | 194 isn't odd |
| 07:48.01 | Rhoruns_ | i dont want X. it's too bulky for waht im using the PC for |
| 07:48.07 | jetscreamer | 128+64 iirc |
| 07:48.12 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 07:48.14 | Rhoruns_ | correct, jetscreamer |
| 07:48.16 | Eulex | = 192 |
| 07:48.20 | jetscreamer | then no windows for you |
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| 07:48.25 | WunHeart | when i Ls I get this "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2007-08-15 11:00 /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 -> libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.800.20" |
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| 07:48.41 | jetscreamer | then dont say window manager? |
| 07:48.49 | Rhoruns_ | i did NOT say window manager |
| 07:48.52 | Rhoruns_ | i said 'GUI' |
| 07:48.55 | jetscreamer | they require xorg |
| 07:49.03 | Eulex | WunHeart, then complain to the makers of that installer. they didn't something strange/stupid. |
| 07:49.17 | Eulex | s/didn't/did something/ |
| 07:49.19 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: there is screen... it is the "console window manager" |
| 07:49.27 | Rhoruns_ | hmm |
| 07:49.28 | jetscreamer | !mc |
| 07:49.28 | dpkg | somebody said mc was Midnight Commander an orthodox file manager for Unix-like systems (also works in Windows) and a clone of Norton Commander. Midnight Commander is a text mode application. The main interface consists of two panels which display the file system. see: http://www.ibiblio.org/mc/FAQ |
| 07:49.33 | jetscreamer | !info mc |
| 07:49.34 | WunHeart | Is this a problem about AMD 64 |
| 07:49.43 | jetscreamer | it rocks |
| 07:49.59 | Rhoruns_ | is MC easy to use? |
| 07:50.07 | Eulex | WunHeart, no; I already told you whos fault it was. |
| 07:50.09 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 07:50.10 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: Some like it... |
| 07:50.16 | Rhoruns_ | ok. ill try it out :) |
| 07:50.18 | WunHeart | MC rocks IMO 2 |
| 07:50.18 | jetscreamer | get gpm also |
| 07:50.25 | jetscreamer | mouse for console |
| 07:50.27 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: Look into screen also though |
| 07:50.30 | lunitik | !screen |
| 07:50.30 | dpkg | hmm... screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
| 07:50.35 | Rhoruns_ | lol mouse + console |
| 07:50.37 | dpkg | mc: (midnight commander - a powerful file manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:4.6.1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 2066 kB, Installed size: 5344 kB |
| 07:50.38 | jetscreamer | and screen and irssi |
| 07:50.48 | jetscreamer | yeah just like mouse.exe |
| 07:50.53 | jetscreamer | in the old dos days |
| 07:50.56 | lunitik | screen > gpm |
| 07:50.56 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 07:51.09 | jetscreamer | you can cut&paste with gpm too |
| 07:51.15 | lunitik | gpm is a pain in the neck... |
| 07:51.20 | lunitik | screen allows that |
| 07:51.22 | Rhoruns_ | lol |
| 07:51.24 | jetscreamer | screen+gpm ftw? |
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| 07:51.31 | lunitik | jetscreamer: sure! |
| 07:51.38 | lunitik | jetscreamer: Uhh... but gpm is a waste |
| 07:51.44 | WunHeart | how do I check that libgtk-x11-2.0.so.20 is in my path? |
| 07:52.02 | jetscreamer | locate, then see if it's in your path |
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| 07:52.22 | jetscreamer | gdm changes your path btw |
| 07:52.27 | jetscreamer | if you use it |
| 07:52.28 | Eulex | jetscreamer, libraries aren't in $PATH |
| 07:52.45 | Rhoruns_ | hmmm. would apt-get install screen work? |
| 07:52.48 | lunitik | Why would one want a library in their path? |
| 07:53.12 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: No... emerge would though! |
| 07:53.21 | Eulex | Rhoruns_, why wouldn't it? |
| 07:53.24 | Rhoruns_ | emerge = package manager? |
| 07:53.26 | Rhoruns_ | ?? |
| 07:53.31 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: I'm kidding :/ |
| 07:53.35 | Rhoruns_ | baaah |
| 07:53.36 | WunHeart | so why can't the istaller open a shared file? |
| 07:53.41 | Rhoruns_ | im so confused with all this terminology |
| 07:53.41 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: If it's worth a damn, you can apt-get it |
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| 07:54.10 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: emerge is the Gentoo package manager... it's main feature is wasting clock cycles |
| 07:54.15 | Rhoruns_ | LOL |
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| 07:54.24 | Rhoruns_ | awesome |
| 07:54.34 | jetscreamer | !info emerge |
| 07:54.37 | Eulex | WunHeart, because the installer is broken and _should_ find it? |
| 07:54.43 | jetscreamer | dar |
| 07:54.50 | jetscreamer | n |
| 07:54.51 | lunitik | !info apt-src |
| 07:54.53 | dpkg | apt-src: (manage Debian source packages), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.25.1-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 07:55.07 | Rhoruns_ | baah! im stuck in nano lol. how do i exit this program?? |
| 07:55.20 | Rhoruns_ | oh wait, i need to add some sources |
| 07:55.20 | jetscreamer | ctrl x |
| 07:55.25 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: It tells you at the bottom... '^' means ctrl |
| 07:55.29 | wols | WunHeart: what installer exactly? and is that file existing on your system? is its directory referenced in /etc/ld.so.conf ? |
| 07:55.30 | Rhoruns_ | oh ok |
| 07:55.36 | jetscreamer | nano -w ftw |
| 07:55.51 | Rhoruns_ | what's a good source? |
| 07:55.59 | Rhoruns_ | because i dont have many in my sources.list |
| 07:56.07 | wols | !tell Rhoruns_ about sources.list |
| 07:56.10 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: the default should be fine... |
| 07:56.10 | Eulex | you don't need 'many' |
| 07:56.13 | jetscreamer | !sources |
| 07:56.13 | dpkg | hmm... sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 07:56.16 | Rhoruns_ | oh. lol |
| 07:56.19 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 07:56.30 | jetscreamer | don't use apt-spy |
| 07:56.42 | WunHeart | just going thru the installer script for any insight.. |
| 07:56.42 | wols | and apt-setup doesn't exist... |
| 07:56.44 | lunitik | !info apt-torrent |
| 07:56.53 | lunitik | la lame |
| 07:57.07 | wols | !tell lunitik about selftell |
| 07:57.42 | lunitik | wols: Ugh, you needn't tell me that... just, if it was in the archive, it sounds like the best way for most to go...... |
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| 07:57.47 | Eulex | WunHeart, you could also run ldd on the installer binary. |
| 07:58.02 | lunitik | wols: I've been on and off in here since 2001......... |
| 07:58.15 | wols | lunitik: you haven't learned much then since then |
| 07:58.33 | lunitik | wols: I've learned plenty... what's your problem? |
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| 07:58.59 | WunHeart | Eulex could you pls explain ldd "on the installer" |
| 07:59.08 | lunitik | wols: If it were in the archive, it would be a good piece of info for the guy, it appears as though it's not yet... |
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| 07:59.23 | Eulex | WunHeart, ldd /path/to/installer/binary |
| 07:59.58 | wols | WunHeart: "binary" being the one that misses that libgtk think |
| 08:00.00 | WunHeart | will try that, in the mean while this is wjhat is the script: |
| 08:00.15 | wols | do not paste in channel |
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| 08:00.38 | WunHeart | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.${LD_LIBRARY_PATH+":$LD_LIBRARY_PATH"} |
| 08:00.38 | WunHeart | LIBPATH=.${LIBPATH+":$LIBPATH"} |
| 08:00.38 | WunHeart | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH LIBPATH |
| 08:00.38 | WunHeart | unset MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME |
| 08:00.38 | WunHeart | PATH=.${PATH+":$PATH"} |
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| 08:00.45 | lunitik | hah |
| 08:00.50 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 08:00.52 | Rhoruns_ | yayz! i think i installed screen! :D |
| 08:01.05 | funky | Rhoruns_: :D |
| 08:01.07 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 08:01.13 | Rhoruns_ | do i just plug in a mouse or some junk like that? :D lol |
| 08:01.19 | jetscreamer | !congratulate Rhoruns_ |
| 08:01.19 | dpkg | Nice one Rhoruns_, you did it! |
| 08:01.22 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: type 'screen' |
| 08:01.25 | Rhoruns_ | thank you so much guys :D |
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| 08:01.29 | Rhoruns_ | ok |
| 08:01.32 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: you probably want to man screen first though |
| 08:01.40 | jetscreamer | type man screen |
| 08:01.55 | Rhoruns_ | oh |
| 08:01.56 | funky | Rhoruns_: come on! now type 'screen' in a terminal, come on!! you can do it! |
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| 08:02.04 | simonrvn | type: man: no such file or directory :P |
| 08:02.09 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: GPM is easier to setup... hitting enter should get it usable... screen is more useful if you want to learn it though. |
| 08:02.28 | Rhoruns_ | i did screen first, then man screen lol |
| 08:02.34 | Rhoruns_ | now i see the manual :P |
| 08:02.39 | funky | you're awesome man |
| 08:02.48 | Rhoruns_ | lol@lunitik |
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| 08:03.17 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: Well, folks here won't be able to forever.... |
| 08:03.45 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: type '/copy' within the man page... it will skip to the first case of that statement... |
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| 08:04.03 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: Keep going until it gives you the description of how to copy :) |
| 08:04.09 | jetscreamer | him say / == search |
| 08:04.11 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: Then do the same for paste :) |
| 08:04.22 | slapfaceware | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 08:04.22 | Rhoruns_ | i dont need to copy and paste stuff lol |
| 08:04.37 | Eulex | !mmap |
| 08:04.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need |
| 08:04.39 | simonrvn | !tell slapfaceware -about dynamic mmap |
| 08:04.39 | Rhoruns_ | i just want something thatll make it easier for me to manage my files and download crap from the internet |
| 08:04.40 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: Just pointing out a very useful feature |
| 08:04.47 | WunHeart | sorry about the paste it will not happen again. |
| 08:05.21 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: haha... mc and wget |
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| 08:05.42 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: with the addition of screen and or gpm, will feel like a GUI |
| 08:05.45 | wols | WunHeart: what are you trying to install? firefox? |
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| 08:05.55 | Rhoruns_ | but.. wget requires that i use another PC with a GUI so i can what the link is. lol i want to avoid this |
| 08:06.05 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: Lynx |
| 08:06.07 | Eulex | WunHeart, you know what those few lines that you managed to paste do? they alter the paths that define where to look for libraries. |
| 08:06.14 | simonrvn | Rhoruns_: w3m, lynx, ... |
| 08:06.15 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: actually... links2 is better imo |
| 08:06.18 | Rhoruns_ | what's lynx? lunitik |
| 08:06.21 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: try those 3 |
| 08:06.27 | wols | Rhoruns_: text mode webbrowser |
| 08:06.28 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: terminal web browser |
| 08:06.31 | Rhoruns_ | ohhh |
| 08:06.33 | Rhoruns_ | awesome |
| 08:06.38 | Rhoruns_ | thank you so much :) |
| 08:06.40 | WunHeart | No not firefox. I am trying to install seamonkey which is the browser suite from mozilla |
| 08:06.46 | Rhoruns_ | does ti aggrigate the information neatly? |
| 08:06.49 | Rhoruns_ | it( |
| 08:06.51 | wols | !info seamonkey |
| 08:07.01 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: What exactly do you mean ? |
| 08:07.08 | lunitik | !info iceape |
| 08:07.09 | Rhoruns_ | i mean, does it look readible? |
| 08:07.10 | dpkg | iceape: (The Iceape Internet Suite), section web, is optional. Version: 1.1.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 08:07.11 | lunitik | !seamonkey |
| 08:07.12 | dpkg | well, seamonkey is the new project name for the Mozilla Application Suite, but it's not officially from Mozilla Foundation. Mozilla Application Suite is over, the new name is seamonkey, if you are using Mozilla Application Suite then you are using very old outdated code, check http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/ : The reason Mozilla Foundation is not developing on the Mozilla Application Suite anymore is to focus on Firefox and Thunderbird. |
| 08:07.34 | lunitik | Why doesn't that factoid explain the name change? |
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| 08:07.50 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: Yes |
| 08:07.59 | wols | WunHeart: install iceape |
| 08:08.00 | Rhoruns_ | alright. ill try them. thanks again so much :) |
| 08:08.00 | lunitik | WunHeart: apt-get install iceape |
| 08:08.10 | Rhoruns_ | i wish you guys got paid for this. lol |
| 08:08.13 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | anyone familiar with mod_security? I put a rule to scan every uploaded file but looks like its not getting to execute the file.. |
| 08:08.14 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | mod_security-message: Access denied with code 403. Error verifying files: Received no output from the approver script (execution failed?) |
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| 08:09.20 | WunHeart | I have tried to install iceape using aptitude and everything seems to install. Yet when I try to use the application I donot see any browser window. |
| 08:09.51 | lunitik | WunHeart: Run it via a gnome-terminal or konsole etc etc... and see what the output is... |
| 08:10.03 | WunHeart | I have even aptitude purge iceape and then re-installed with the same result. |
| 08:10.04 | lunitik | WunHeart: IE, within the X session |
| 08:10.35 | WunHeart | Thanks for that lunitik |
| 08:10.54 | simonrvn | 'cause, like, you know, it needs x to run |
| 08:11.16 | lunitik | simonrvn: I said that... I think? |
| 08:11.19 | lunitik | :P |
| 08:11.24 | simonrvn | :D |
| 08:11.45 | WunHeart | I have been using Seamonkey for years (too many to recall) in windowz and i like better than firefox. |
| 08:12.07 | lunitik | simonrvn: just ensuring he doesn't try via tty0 ... troubleshooting such things when that is the issue is a pain :o |
| 08:12.09 | simonrvn | i don't think seamonkey has been around for years... |
| 08:12.36 | WunHeart | yes it has it was known as mozilla suite before... |
| 08:12.46 | lunitik | WunHeart: neat... iceape is seamonkey without the trademarked stuff... have you checked bts? |
| 08:12.59 | WunHeart | it is sad since i know its history.. |
| 08:13.11 | simonrvn | moz suite got stopped... read their site |
| 08:13.23 | lunitik | simonrvn: It is the new name of what was open sourced by Netscape originally, before the community de-bloated it... burped it? |
| 08:13.31 | simonrvn | farted it |
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| 08:13.32 | lunitik | simonrvn: It's the same thing. |
| 08:13.51 | lunitik | Seamonkey == Mozilla Suite... not the farting and burping part... |
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| 08:14.04 | WunHeart | same issue i seem to install iceape but it does not start for some reason. I must have a broken something in my system |
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| 08:14.11 | simonrvn | lunitik: those are the same too, just different orifice |
| 08:14.30 | lunitik | simonrvn: Well yes... but... bah |
| 08:14.35 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 08:14.49 | Rhoruns_ | aghhh how to i exit this dumb manual?? :D |
| 08:14.55 | simonrvn | q |
| 08:14.56 | lunitik | q |
| 08:14.58 | Rhoruns_ | oh :D |
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| 08:15.21 | geo-rge | Rhoruns_: man less (which is what you're running (partly) when you're reading manual) |
| 08:15.27 | lunitik | WunHeart: Did you do what I said in a terminal? |
| 08:15.38 | Rhoruns_ | ok |
| 08:15.44 | Rhoruns_ | thanks :) |
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| 08:15.58 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 08:16.14 | bagar | hello, is inotify avaible in stable ? |
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| 08:16.27 | lunitik | What is the factoid that points out simple useful documentation for beginners? |
| 08:16.28 | azeem | bagar: inotify is a kernel service |
| 08:16.38 | geo-rge | bagar: look at packages.debian.org |
| 08:16.43 | simonrvn | bagar: libinotify or inotify the kernel stuff? |
| 08:16.52 | azeem | !grounding |
| 08:16.52 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 08:17.00 | azeem | lunitik: ^^ |
| 08:17.03 | bagar | simonrvn : the kernel stuff |
| 08:17.07 | lunitik | azeem: thank you! |
| 08:17.09 | WunHeart | lunitk do you mean ldd? |
| 08:17.23 | simonrvn | zgrep INOTIFY /proc/config.gz |
| 08:17.23 | bagar | geo-rge where do you think i came from ?! |
| 08:17.38 | simonrvn | bagar: IRCing as www-data, one has to wonder |
| 08:17.50 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: Read through what azeem and the bot just pointed out... very useful... answering easy questions is boring :o |
| 08:17.52 | geo-rge | bagar -no- idea :) |
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| 08:18.09 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
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| 08:18.21 | Rhoruns_ | im so sorry.. :( but thank you guys so much for the help, regardless. |
| 08:18.23 | bagar | geo-rge i was to deb pks and didn't fina anything useful |
| 08:18.31 | solemnwarning | Is it possible to install X11 under Linux and have a constant X session running that I attach to with VNC? |
| 08:18.44 | solemnwarning | I don't want the session running on the local console, VNC only |
| 08:18.45 | WunHeart | luntik I have done aptitude install iceape |
| 08:18.46 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: I didn't mean that offensively... just... you should help yourself a little :) |
| 08:18.49 | bagar | simonrvn ; so is it included in stable distribution ? |
| 08:18.51 | Rhoruns_ | ok :) |
| 08:19.06 | lunitik | WunHeart: I said run it via a terminal and tell what the output is............. |
| 08:19.13 | lunitik | WunHeart: I said it about 20 mins ago :/ |
| 08:19.25 | simonrvn | simonrvn> zgrep INOTIFY /proc/config.gz |
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| 08:20.10 | WunHeart | I just ran ice from terminal window I get: Segmentation fault |
| 08:20.17 | simonrvn | (assuming the kernels debian build or you buil have config in /proc...) |
| 08:20.20 | simonrvn | t |
| 08:20.23 | lunitik | WunHeart: That's all it says? |
| 08:20.29 | WunHeart | yes |
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| 08:20.42 | simonrvn | catchsegv iceape ;) |
| 08:20.55 | solemnwarning | Has anyone run such a system? |
| 08:21.19 | lunitik | simonrvn: wassa? |
| 08:21.29 | simonrvn | some rdesktop-like thing... |
| 08:21.35 | bagar | simonrvn: gzip: /proc/config.gz: No such file or directory |
| 08:21.47 | simonrvn | lunitik: catchsegv, catches the app if it SEGVs |
| 08:21.49 | WunHeart | just typed catchsegv iceape and I have a browser window |
| 08:22.05 | simonrvn | bagar: then check /boot/config-$(uname -r) for it |
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| 08:22.25 | lunitik | simonrvn: Never heard of it, cool.... WunHeart do what simonrvn just said :) |
| 08:22.46 | Rhoruns_ | bah, there was an error when i tried to run links2 -g www.google.com... says could not initialize graphics driver. |
| 08:22.53 | Rhoruns_ | and im stuck. i cant type anything |
| 08:22.59 | simonrvn | ^c |
| 08:23.03 | simonrvn | ctrl-c |
| 08:23.03 | Rhoruns_ | ok |
| 08:23.13 | Rhoruns_ | ctrl-c does nothing |
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| 08:23.29 | simonrvn | start new screen window and do killall links2 |
| 08:23.32 | lunitik | simonrvn: Does it provide any useful info for the bts? |
| 08:23.41 | bagar | simonrvn only CONFIG_DNOTIFY=y |
| 08:23.46 | simonrvn | lunitik: some people are capable of reading that yes |
| 08:23.50 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: hit esc ... it'll bring up a menu |
| 08:24.03 | Rhoruns_ | no, it doesnt. |
| 08:24.08 | WunHeart | uname -r is 2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 08:24.08 | lunitik | simonrvn: heh... so it's still in the terminal, he's just not telling us? |
| 08:24.21 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 08:24.38 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: hmm |
| 08:25.09 | Rhoruns_ | nothing's working. i tried ctrl-a,b,c,d,e,f,g.. nothing at all :( |
| 08:25.11 | WunHeart | yes it only work when I am type it in terminal |
| 08:25.25 | Rhoruns_ | the little underscore is still blinking, so it's not frozen. |
| 08:25.44 | simonrvn | bagar: well obviously if you want it you'll either have to fetch another kernel, or build one based on debian's but with inotify enabled |
| 08:26.04 | azeem | Rhoruns_: try alt+f2 |
| 08:26.11 | Rhoruns_ | ahh! |
| 08:26.13 | Rhoruns_ | :D |
| 08:26.15 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: alt +f2 ... log in ... pkill -9 links2 ... apt-get install lynx && aptitude purge links2 :P |
| 08:26.16 | WunHeart | from the iceape built platform is x86_64-pc-linux-gnu |
| 08:26.35 | simonrvn | probably just exited and didn't do anything. -g flag is to run the GUI ... |
| 08:26.35 | Rhoruns_ | purge?? what's that do? :D |
| 08:26.38 | Rhoruns_ | !purge |
| 08:26.39 | dpkg | purge is probably to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
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| 08:26.49 | simonrvn | ugh, -9 |
| 08:26.51 | Rhoruns_ | awww.. bye-bye to links2? :( |
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| 08:26.58 | WunHeart | pls explain catchsegv? |
| 08:27.16 | azeem | lunitik: please don't make such jokes |
| 08:27.26 | simonrvn | WunHeart: it's an utility to catch the register dump of a process if it segfaults |
| 08:27.29 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: lynx is similar... there is regular links and elinks too, and w3c... try them all :) |
| 08:27.37 | Rhoruns_ | okie dokie |
| 08:27.39 | simonrvn | w3m |
| 08:27.54 | Rhoruns_ | i heard w3m was bloted or something |
| 08:27.58 | Rhoruns_ | bloated* |
| 08:28.08 | azeem | Rhoruns_: how much RAM do you have? |
| 08:28.13 | Rhoruns_ | 194MB |
| 08:28.24 | azeem | that's plenty for w3m I guess |
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| 08:28.27 | simonrvn | it's not like iceape ;) |
| 08:28.31 | Rhoruns_ | ok |
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| 08:29.29 | WunHeart | ok. When i use catchsegv it just displays the iceape browser, which seems to working fine |
| 08:29.49 | lunitik | I still don't really understand why -9 is bad... just ensures something dies... sometimes just pkill or pkill -HUP doesn't do as wished |
| 08:30.25 | azeem | lunitik: it doesn't give the application the chance to exit gracefully |
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| 08:31.01 | lunitik | wish* |
| 08:31.25 | azeem | well, that doesn't mean others might as well |
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| 08:32.17 | lunitik | azeem: I typed it out of habit in the channel... sorry. |
| 08:32.54 | Rhoruns_ | anything in w3m between [ and ] = string-entry/field/form? |
| 08:33.04 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: Yes |
| 08:33.08 | Rhoruns_ | kk, thanks again. |
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| 08:34.00 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: links and elinks will likely be more comfortable for you though... lynx and w3m are rather foreign if you're not used to terminal browsers... |
| 08:34.53 | Rhoruns_ | oh i understand. |
| 08:35.02 | Rhoruns_ | this seems not to hard for now |
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| 08:35.05 | Rhoruns_ | ill get used to it |
| 08:35.23 | Rhoruns_ | certainly better that just wget.. >:P |
| 08:35.29 | Rhoruns_ | that thing pisses me off |
| 08:35.48 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: I think it'll actually use wget to download... I know lynx does... |
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| 08:36.18 | lunitik | s/know/pretty sure/ |
| 08:36.27 | Rhoruns_ | that's fine. but i would rather view a page with links on it, instead of just blindly typing links and see if i get lucky |
| 08:36.51 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: Yes, seems a good idea... |
| 08:36.58 | litage|w | i've just built a perl cpan module into a .tar.gz , but am not sure where it should be extracted to. all of the module's files are within a single directory, User-Utmp-1.8/ . should i extract it to.... /usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/ or /usr/lib/perl5/ or ...? |
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| 08:37.43 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: There are even music players... and image viewers/movie players for the terminal! (although movies need to be comverted to ascii to play... |
| 08:37.53 | Rhoruns_ | LOL |
| 08:38.13 | Rhoruns_ | awesome |
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| 08:39.46 | Rhoruns_ | i cant find the key in the manual. how do i submit an entry in a form? |
| 08:39.57 | Rhoruns_ | like say, for google? |
| 08:39.59 | lunitik | Rhoruns_: enter |
| 08:40.04 | Rhoruns_ | enter doesnt do anything |
| 08:40.10 | Rhoruns_ | it just lets me edit the field |
| 08:40.15 | mesof | Rhoruns_: right arrow |
| 08:40.18 | Rhoruns_ | kk |
| 08:40.31 | Rhoruns_ | nope, doesnt work |
| 08:40.42 | lunitik | simonrvn: *cough* |
| 08:40.49 | Rhoruns_ | lol |
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| 08:42.07 | Rhoruns_ | ahhhh. sorry guys. ill be back in 10 mins.. really big number-two >:( |
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| 08:42.32 | jetscreamer | no mplayer plays dvds et al in console just fine |
| 08:42.34 | Penix | err...o..k.. |
| 08:42.53 | Rhoruns_ | jetscreamer, i think he was joking |
| 08:42.53 | Rhoruns_ | lol |
| 08:42.57 | Rhoruns_ | brb btw.. |
| 08:42.57 | jetscreamer | !penixstrike Penix |
| 08:42.57 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 08:43.23 | jetscreamer | but mplayer will do ascii |
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| 08:50.35 | Rhoruns_ | omg, w3m is so awesome. i just searched for naughty things in text-based google... >:D |
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| 08:53.07 | omkar86 | is there any easy way to recover lost partitions?, I remember the geometry of my hdd. |
| 08:53.09 | codynotes_ | Does anyone know how I set PATH globally for all users on a system, for all shells? |
| 08:53.47 | dondelelcaro | codynotes_: /etc/profile |
| 08:54.25 | themill_ | codynotes_: do you need csh/tcsh too? |
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| 08:54.41 | themill_ | (bah! I've still got a tail...) |
| 08:54.46 | themill | that's better |
| 08:55.02 | codynotes_ | I changed it in /etc/profile, but that didn't do it for everyone, so I also did it in /etc/login.defaults |
| 08:55.10 | codynotes_ | I don't think I need it for csh/tcsh |
| 08:55.27 | codynotes_ | But the problem is it is still being set from somewhere else for one user |
| 08:55.31 | themill | codynotes_: /etc/profile only gets sourced for login shells |
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| 08:56.12 | codynotes_ | If I SSH is that a login shell or not? |
| 08:56.12 | themill | codynotes_: /etc/bash.bashrc (for bash shells) is sourced for both interactive and non-interactive shells |
| 08:56.17 | dondelelcaro | you'll be pretty hard pressed to have a shell which isn't a decendent of a login shell. |
| 08:56.31 | themill | dondelelcaro: ummmm |
| 08:56.47 | codynotes_ | OK, I already set it in /etc/base.bashrc, too |
| 08:56.55 | themill | dondelelcaro: it's almost always a problem for X sessions |
| 08:57.00 | codynotes_ | The user's shell is just plain old sh |
| 08:57.07 | themill | codynotes_: ssh should be a login shell. are you overwriting it in a user's profile |
| 08:57.20 | themill | plain sh won't source an .bash* or /etc/bash* files |
| 08:57.21 | codynotes_ | No, the user is a new, blank user |
| 08:57.50 | codynotes_ | When I SSH in normally, the path is set correctly. The problem is that when I use Capistrano to deploy a Rails application, it SSH's in as the same user, but has a totally different path. |
| 08:58.19 | codynotes_ | I can't figure out what the difference is, since it's just SSHing in as that user |
| 08:58.58 | dondelelcaro | there's nothing stoping it from setting PATH itself |
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| 08:59.26 | codynotes_ | Grepping the source doesn't find it setting PATH anywhere... |
| 09:01.14 | themill | codynotes_: it's not using a different public key for ssh where PATH is set somewhere in the .ssh/authorizedkeys |
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| 09:02.03 | codynotes_ | I did add a key to authorized_keys, but it's not setting any environment variables... |
| 09:02.29 | codynotes_ | And, when I log in normally and when Capistrano logs in, we're both using the same key |
| 09:03.50 | codynotes_ | The path set with Capistrano has /usr/bin/X11 in it, but I grepped everything in /etc and could only find that string in /security/pam_env.conf |
| 09:03.53 | codynotes_ | Which seems unrelated |
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| 09:04.11 | codynotes_ | So I have no idea where this path is coming from |
| 09:04.22 | danielito | which command do I use to check if there is a PTR entry for a IP address? |
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| 09:04.54 | spx2 | hi |
| 09:05.01 | themill | danielito: nslookup -q=PTR ip.ad.dr.ess |
| 09:05.05 | spx2 | I can't get powersave -u to work |
| 09:05.19 | spx2 | I have problems regarding sleep/hibernate on my lappy |
| 09:05.22 | spx2 | what can I do ? |
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| 09:06.14 | themill | codynotes_: that's an interesting one then. There's not a script around Capistrano that sets the PATH? Or would it be pushing the environment over ssh? |
| 09:06.49 | themill | codynotes_: there's also .ssh/environment |
| 09:07.00 | themill | codynotes_: but that should apply top both logins |
| 09:07.18 | codynotes_ | I checked the Capistrano source and it doesn't seem to be setting it's own PATH |
| 09:08.16 | spx2 | I can't get powersave -u to work |
| 09:08.29 | themill | !tell spx2 about patience |
| 09:08.35 | marc7 | codynotes_: you can also shutdown sshd with /etc/init.d/ssh stop, and then invoke sshd from the command line in debug mode to watch what it's doing... /usr/sbin/sshd -dDe |
| 09:08.44 | danielito | themill: and if the IP is linked to more than one domain name, all of them should show up? |
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| 09:08.54 | marc7 | codynotes_: man sshd for more goodness in that realm |
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| 09:09.15 | codynotes_ | marc7: Oh, good idea. Let me try that. |
| 09:09.17 | marc7 | codynotes_: and the file is also authorized_keys, not authorizedkeys |
| 09:09.32 | themill | marc7: good catch |
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| 09:09.34 | marc7 | oh wait, it was themill who used the one-word filename |
| 09:09.41 | marc7 | :) |
| 09:09.41 | themill | *nod* |
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| 09:10.07 | codynotes_ | Hehe |
| 09:10.16 | themill | didn't look right when I was typing it. It's amazing how you start to ignore such details when you use tab completion... |
| 09:10.34 | themill | .ssh/a<TAB> |
| 09:10.44 | codynotes_ | Oh, wait, I can't shutdown sshd because this is a remote machine, I will strand myself. Damn. |
| 09:10.45 | marc7 | i rocked ssh out the other day by downloading 4.6p1 from unstable, applying the openssh-ldap-publickey patch, and repackaged that as a binary for distribution in our datacenter... so all this is fresh in my mind ;) |
| 09:11.15 | themill | codynotes_: you can shut down ssh an keep the current connection running. |
| 09:11.21 | marc7 | codynotes_: you can shutdown sshd without killing off your currently-established ssh connection... but yeah, we have a KVM over IP switch that has bailed me out a couple of times when i've really fubar'd it |
| 09:11.38 | codynotes_ | So I can just stop it and the current session will keep going? |
| 09:11.38 | themill | danielito: only the A record is returned by that |
| 09:11.41 | marc7 | this is one of those times when you want a vty accessible remotely |
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| 09:12.12 | marc7 | codynotes_: using the init script to stop the daemon *shouldn't* stop any current ssh connections |
| 09:12.26 | codynotes_ | Cool, you're right |
| 09:12.27 | codynotes_ | Wow, it's like a chicken with it's head cut off |
| 09:12.59 | logdenum | hi my pc rebooted this morning without a reason - where i can find info about - tryed var/log/syslog but that just says restart at 8:38 |
| 09:13.03 | marc7 | codynotes_: it's always great to have a backup plan in case you get disconnected, like adding /etc/init.d/ssh restart to cron for a few hours |
| 09:13.39 | codynotes_ | marc7: Oh, that's a good idea too |
| 09:13.50 | codynotes_ | I can see you've thought through this many times before ;) |
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| 09:14.30 | marc7 | codynotes_: oh yeah. when the alternative means driving to another city at 3AM..... |
| 09:14.35 | CAiRO- | is there a way to set the stride option for ext3 after the file system has been created already? |
| 09:14.47 | codynotes_ | Heheh |
| 09:14.48 | themill | spx2: There is a good step-by-step guide to gettings suspend working here: http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram |
| 09:14.49 | marc7 | lodgenum: any power outages in the area lately? there could be dozens of reasons why your system rebooted, and they won't all get logged. |
| 09:16.14 | logdenum | <marc7> power's ok and pc is backed by an ups |
| 09:16.22 | logdenum | so it must be an error or whatever |
| 09:17.48 | marc7 | logdenum: /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog, running `dmesg`... those are the basics |
| 09:18.17 | slapfaceware | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 09:18.17 | slapfaceware | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 09:18.17 | slapfaceware | Ack! Something bad happened while installing packages. |
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| 09:19.13 | logdenum | there's just Sep 4 07:41:33 syslogd 1.4.1#18: restart. in those |
| 09:19.28 | slapfaceware | what should i do |
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| 09:20.03 | themill | slapfaceware: wtf have you done to your box? I presume you're running sid... |
| 09:20.31 | slapfaceware | how do i check |
| 09:20.39 | slapfaceware | it's not my box, someone else |
| 09:20.46 | marc7 | logdenum: and that's just the log agent starting back up again. is it an isolated incident or has this been happening often? |
| 09:20.47 | slapfaceware | what can i do, im new |
| 09:20.58 | Rhoruns_ | how do i list active process? pgrep -l? |
| 09:21.11 | fireba11 | slapfaceware : check what version it's supposed to be and what sources.list says |
| 09:21.26 | themill | Rhoruns_: ps ax |
| 09:21.27 | marc7 | Rhoruns_: maybe try ps wauxf |
| 09:21.31 | Rhoruns_ | ok |
| 09:21.33 | marc7 | oh well :) |
| 09:21.37 | marc7 | either or |
| 09:21.43 | logdenum | marc7>isolated |
| 09:21.43 | slapfaceware | how do i check version |
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| 09:21.58 | themill | Rhoruns_: or what marc7 said... depends how you want to look at your output |
| 09:22.13 | logdenum | marc7>this machine usually stays online for months before i rebbot it |
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| 09:22.41 | themill | slapfaceware: can you tell us what's in /etc/debian_version and the output of apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 09:22.49 | slapfaceware | it's 3.0 |
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| 09:23.18 | fireba11 | ouch |
| 09:23.25 | slapfaceware | libc6: |
| 09:23.25 | slapfaceware | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.25 | slapfaceware | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.35 | themill | slapfaceware: ok... so you've got some work to do :) |
| 09:23.48 | slapfaceware | like what work |
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| 09:24.21 | themill | slapfaceware: well... you're box is currently running debian woody (3.0). Woody is no longer supported and your box has security holes. |
| 09:24.29 | marc7 | logdenum: yeah, maybe themill or someone else can chime in on the issue, but it's really hard for unix to write any kind of logs out if the system loses power. you might also want to take a look at /var/log/(messages,syslog)(.0,.1.gz) (the other most recent logs) to see if they have any more details. usually the only other thing that would take down a box quickly is a kernel panic, and you'll most often see something thrown to the console as a las |
| 09:24.40 | slapfaceware | that's nice |
| 09:24.43 | slapfaceware | now what |
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| 09:25.26 | logdenum | <marc7>ok u mean: if there's no notice in any log it must be a fault in power supply |
| 09:25.42 | logdenum | marc7, otherwise it would have ben logged |
| 09:26.00 | themill | slapfaceware: Your first step will be to upgrade to sarge which has security support for another 12 months or so. You can then choose to upgrade to etch. |
| 09:26.15 | slapfaceware | i'll want etch |
| 09:26.23 | slapfaceware | edit sources.list and shit |
| 09:26.25 | slapfaceware | right? |
| 09:26.29 | themill | slapfaceware: you'll have to do it in two steps |
| 09:26.30 | slapfaceware | update and distupgrade |
| 09:26.41 | slapfaceware | why not 1 |
| 09:26.43 | slapfaceware | step |
| 09:26.43 | themill | skipping releases is not supported |
| 09:26.45 | fireba11 | slapfaceware : you need to get to sarge first |
| 09:26.46 | themill | it won't work |
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| 09:26.55 | slapfaceware | okokokookokkokookok |
| 09:26.56 | themill | !tell slapfaceware about woody->sarge |
| 09:27.00 | slapfaceware | how |
| 09:27.05 | themill | !tell slapfaceware about sarge->etch |
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| 09:27.29 | slapfaceware | so complicated |
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| 09:28.06 | themill | slapfaceware: follow what dpkg just told you (both sets of instructions) But in the woody->sarge instructions, use "sarge" not "stable" as I think your sources.list has stable not the release name in it. |
| 09:28.16 | marc7 | logdenum: could really be a number of different things. might be worth your while to make sure to take this opportunity to make sure the init.d scripts are starting everything necessary on bootup, maybe have the system e-mail you when it reboots... you might not have to worry about this for months again if it's been stable so far |
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| 09:28.39 | logdenum | ok |
| 09:28.48 | themill | slapfaceware: it's not complicated. the instructions are quite clear; just follow them. Feel free to come back and ask specific questions about it if you need to. |
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| 09:29.12 | themill | slapfaceware: these are routine things that *should* have been happening on your box over the past few years. |
| 09:29.16 | slapfaceware | so i replace stable with sarge? |
| 09:29.27 | themill | slapfaceware: you need to lart the formed sysadmin lots for not keeping the box up to date |
| 09:29.53 | marc7 | slapfaceware: i agree with themill, you said this wasn't your box, I'd check with whoever the owner/admin is to make sure that they know you're doing this... it's a good policy to keep everything current |
| 09:30.04 | marc7 | themill: always one step ahead of me :) |
| 09:30.22 | slapfaceware | but it's one fcking server.. it's supposed to be stable instead of update |
| 09:30.26 | themill | slapfaceware: in the instructions from dpkg, where it said 'changing all mentions of "woody" to "sarge"' instead change "stable" to "sarge" |
| 09:30.39 | geo-rge | right. like I said -hours- ago, get the boss/owner to SIGN OFF |
| 09:30.44 | themill | slapfaceware: a server is also supposed to be security patched. this is not |
| 09:31.18 | themill | slapfaceware: I agree with geo-rge here -- make sure you have a piece of paper with the boss's signature on it. |
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| 09:31.28 | slapfaceware | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.us.debian.org sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 09:31.59 | themill | slapfaceware: staying with woody this long is an incredibly dumb thing to do so I give your predecessor some credit that perhaps it was intentional.... |
| 09:32.00 | slapfaceware | if i upgrade it, some services might not work! |
| 09:32.01 | geo-rge | if you don't and your boss is in a pinch, he could throw any failure on you |
| 09:32.16 | slapfaceware | intentional! |
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| 09:33.00 | geo-rge | if you have the paper with the signature showing SPECIFICALLY what you're going to do AND HOW, you will be able to show that he asked for the change |
| 09:33.50 | slapfaceware | forget it im not going to update it then |
| 09:34.08 | geo-rge | right, let him know the pros and cons of upgrading... one of the cons is it could take time to make sure the box works after the upgrade |
| 09:34.10 | slapfaceware | if server is down im in deeper shit than not upgrading it |
| 09:34.17 | liable | is sarge still in the main repo or gone to archive? |
| 09:34.45 | geo-rge | I would imagine sarge is oldstable |
| 09:35.02 | Ronin | geo-rge: correct |
| 09:35.05 | marc7 | http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 09:35.32 | geo-rge | yay! \o/ I got one right! |
| 09:35.39 | themill | slapfaceware: if the server gets p3wned then you're in even deeper shit than that though.... that would be on your watch. |
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| 09:36.42 | marc7 | slapfaceware: how long has this box been your responsibility for? one of the first things you said is that you were new to this whole thing :) |
| 09:36.44 | geo-rge | here's the next question, and it's a visual! (shows a picture of Jay Leno) WHO is this person? |
| 09:37.00 | Penix | geo-rge: rahul? |
| 09:37.43 | geo-rge | bzzz! NO! any other jaywalk allstars want a try? |
| 09:37.50 | slapfaceware | nah it's ok, i trust in debian's conservative stable branch |
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| 09:38.07 | wols | slapfaceware: there is no stable branch on your server |
| 09:38.12 | slapfaceware | i just got this box yestereay, finding it running apache 1.3 |
| 09:38.29 | slapfaceware | so i tried aptitude update.. with no success |
| 09:38.38 | wols | it's an old, outdated and by now exploit ridden version of debian there. meaning, sooner or later you WILL be have a broken server |
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| 09:38.44 | geo-rge | slapfaceware: and I believe your oldstable branch still gets security updates! |
| 09:38.56 | wols | slapfaceware: there are NO security updates for a long time for woody now |
| 09:39.07 | marc7 | slapfaceware: a day or two won't change the world. if there's anything of importance on this box, the first thing you should be thinking about is off-server backups |
| 09:39.12 | geo-rge | (notice how I said oldstable instead of stable! why would I do that?!_ |
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| 09:39.54 | slapfaceware | but i don't wanna risk server down |
| 09:39.59 | slapfaceware | so forget it |
| 09:40.05 | geo-rge | good man! |
| 09:40.05 | slapfaceware | i'll do update later |
| 09:40.09 | marc7 | backup and upgrade as soon as possible |
| 09:40.12 | rahul | !penixstrike penix |
| 09:40.12 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:40.14 | slapfaceware | when it has to be update |
| 09:40.19 | slapfaceware | now it's still usable |
| 09:40.22 | geo-rge | do you have physical access to the machine? |
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| 09:40.27 | slapfaceware | no |
| 09:40.30 | slapfaceware | remote access |
| 09:40.31 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 09:40.48 | rahul | wow |
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| 09:40.52 | rahul | I'm drung |
| 09:40.53 | rahul | k |
| 09:40.57 | Ronin | heh rahul |
| 09:41.01 | rahul | heh |
| 09:41.06 | rahul | HEH |
| 09:41.18 | rahul | I think I should pass out |
| 09:41.18 | geo-rge | rahul: say, aren't you Jay Leno? |
| 09:41.24 | rahul | I'm your mother |
| 09:41.47 | rahul | oh shit |
| 09:41.49 | geo-rge | how can you be my mother when I'm my mother! |
| 09:41.54 | rahul | I was supposed to call a girl |
| 09:42.00 | rahul | speakinf og your mothwer |
| 09:42.05 | rahul | hmm |
| 09:42.11 | rahul | geo-rge: good point |
| 09:42.30 | geo-rge | hey! did you setq me?? |
| 09:42.31 | Hideki | hihi, not sure if this is the right place for it, but I'm getting this error trying to run a perl script, curious thing is I can run it with perl but if I try to execute the script itself it gives this error, even more curious is there is no ^M there, just ^J as you'd expect... -su: ./cute_diary.cgi: /usr/bin/perl^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 09:42.32 | rahul | I'm passing out now kthxbai |
| 09:42.42 | rahul | I setf, preferably |
| 09:43.01 | simonrvn | Hideki: dos2unix thatscript |
| 09:43.13 | geo-rge | what is setf? |
| 09:43.19 | rahul | better than setq |
| 09:43.19 | simonrvn | Hideki: stupid winlows crlf |
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| 09:43.25 | Hideki | it's not though |
| 09:43.30 | Hideki | there is no 0x0D |
| 09:43.35 | Hideki | seriously, it's not there, lol |
| 09:43.39 | Hideki | it just seems to think it is |
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| 09:43.50 | rahul | Hideki: try #cygwin or something |
| 09:43.53 | geo-rge | enter key is probably 0x0AW |
| 09:43.58 | simonrvn | seriously, dos2unix it |
| 09:43.58 | geo-rge | -w |
| 09:43.59 | Hideki | it's not cygwin, it is on lenny |
| 09:44.05 | rahul | Hideki: since you're not using linux, obviuously |
| 09:44.15 | rahul | pff |
| 09:44.24 | rahul | that's what she said |
| 09:44.32 | Hideki | the script contains japanese text in SJIS if that might confuse it |
| 09:44.34 | simonrvn | rahul: just be careful where you fall |
| 09:44.34 | themill | slapfaceware: doing nothing is not an option for you. You need to (1) talk to your boss and plan the upgrade. (2) backup the data (3) do the upgrade to sarge (4) upgrade to etch. Only #4 of these is optional, and it is optional only for a little while. It will be mandatory in about 12 months' time. |
| 09:44.50 | simonrvn | i'm not padded ;p |
| 09:44.51 | rahul | my myspace page says all needed |
| 09:44.52 | geo-rge | "I don hab no drinking problem... I drink, I get drunk, I fall down... no problem!" |
| 09:44.58 | rahul | NO PROBLEM |
| 09:45.13 | rahul | I let my firends do the talking |
| 09:45.22 | rahul | or at least the guitar playing. heh |
| 09:45.24 | simonrvn | anyway <-- goes for a walk, then goes to sleep |
| 09:45.24 | slapfaceware | will upgrade to sarge have high chance of server down? i know it's hosting some web sites |
| 09:45.38 | simonrvn | slapfaceware: excuse me? |
| 09:45.51 | simonrvn | !lart rahul |
| 09:45.54 | marc7 | slapfaceware: when was the last year backups were ever run on the box? |
| 09:46.13 | themill | rahul: you can end up with ^M from moving the script around between machines in dumb ways. It's not necessarily because it's under cygwin; indeed, cygwin would cope with that quite happily. |
| 09:46.23 | slapfaceware | i don't really know. i don't think it's ever being backup |
| 09:46.36 | geo-rge | slapfaceware: you're better off not doing it until you back up the server and talk to your boss, telling him you need to talk to the colo or vserver provider |
| 09:46.41 | themill | slapfaceware: then you really need to get your shit together. ouch |
| 09:46.41 | rahul | themill: clearly that's not what's happening! |
| 09:46.42 | marc7 | slapfaceware: assume the box will fail soon. do everything themill has told you to do. |
| 09:46.48 | Hideki | there is no ^M there, heh, it just says there is, I'm not new to this and I've never seen it happen before, heh |
| 09:46.51 | rahul | themill: otherwise he would have fixed the issue! |
| 09:46.57 | rahul | or I would have fallen down |
| 09:47.08 | rahul | Hideki: that only happens on cygwin |
| 09:47.12 | rahul | yo mama |
| 09:47.13 | simonrvn | i have, and i bet you haven't run dos2unix on it yet, have you |
| 09:47.15 | rahul | me fallova |
| 09:47.16 | themill | rahul: bollox |
| 09:47.22 | rahul | ballsacks |
| 09:47.26 | Hideki | hmm |
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| 09:47.30 | Hideki | it's lenny, lol |
| 09:47.31 | geo-rge | slapfaceware: you'll KEEP the same job the guy before you LOST |
| 09:47.40 | Hideki | never mind, dos2unix did work |
| 09:47.43 | Hideki | btu I still can't see why |
| 09:47.49 | marc7 | hah |
| 09:47.52 | rahul | Hideki: good work |
| 09:47.52 | Hideki | given there was no ^M there in the file |
| 09:47.55 | rahul | right |
| 09:47.59 | rahul | that's what they all say |
| 09:48.07 | Hideki | joe shows ^M as M |
| 09:48.07 | rahul | I even said that to her last night |
| 09:48.09 | Hideki | there were none, lol |
| 09:48.18 | themill | Hideki: most editors will hide the ^M from you and pretend it's a dos line ending file |
| 09:48.18 | rahul | no, I didn't lawl |
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| 09:48.21 | wfq | hi |
| 09:48.25 | rahul | but she um |
| 09:48.26 | simonrvn | Hideki: how do you know there weren't any? ;) |
| 09:48.28 | rahul | well, never mind |
| 09:48.45 | rahul | uh, ok. passing out. |
| 09:48.47 | Hideki | because joe shows them as M when editing, I've seen it any number of times before, oh well, it's working now, thanks ;p |
| 09:48.52 | simonrvn | vim and emacs will either show them, or tell you it's "DOS" format |
| 09:49.08 | wfq | how can I copy the hidden files by using cp as well please? |
| 09:49.40 | simonrvn | (then i just do revert-buffer-with-coding RET utf-8-unix RET ;) |
| 09:50.23 | themill | wfq: zcat /usr/share/man/man1/cp.1.gz | /dev/user |
| 09:50.49 | themill | simonrvn: emacs geek ;) |
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| 09:53.50 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 09:53.59 | simonrvn | g'night/moaning |
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| 09:55.20 | themill | simonrvn: shouldn't you be just getting up about now? |
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| 10:01.41 | marc7 | what the hell gnupg... "Not enough random bytes available. Please do some other work to give the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 285 more bytes)"... what else besides tar-bzipping the entire filesystem do you want?! |
| 10:02.07 | sep | is there any way i can make the command echo "test" | nc -l -p 2244 exit after it's done ? eg when someone connects using nc host 2244 and get test written on thir console. i want the first to quit. |
| 10:02.33 | geo-rge | marc7: gnupg is too bored to be random enough... play some doom |
| 10:02.35 | themill | marc7: that's probably not randomness. iirc, it wants externel events like network packets or mouse moving |
| 10:02.35 | sep | the reason is ofcourse that the recipient dont support -l |
| 10:03.31 | geo-rge | sep: two solutions... one, background nc |
| 10:03.45 | geo-rge | the other, see if nc has an option to do what you want |
| 10:04.00 | sep | how would backgrounding it help ? |
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| 10:04.09 | sep | it would still run until the client disconnected |
| 10:04.51 | geo-rge | so you want something thet just listens |
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| 10:05.05 | geo-rge | and exits when an incoming comes in |
| 10:05.06 | sep | i have a box that have nc that can connect to me, but not listen. |
| 10:05.23 | sep | and i need to time upload to that box. |
| 10:05.25 | sep | tru nc |
| 10:05.50 | sep | so i want to send 100M garbage to it thru nc and time that. but its nc dont listen. |
| 10:06.09 | sep | it's generally tricky :( |
| 10:06.53 | geo-rge | it would seem to me that nc is pretty simple especially in concept |
| 10:07.10 | sep | yeah if nc on the reciver would listen all would be ok |
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| 10:09.14 | marc7 | out of sheer curiosity, has anybody ever integrated samhain into a datacenter environment? it's kind of a bitch and a half to get working |
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| 10:35.10 | wfq | can a dsa-key be copied in other laptop and it works fine? |
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| 10:38.03 | themill | wfq: ssh user key? |
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| 10:42.55 | UpgradeBoy | Hi all. Can anyone comment on the compatibility of the Debian 4.0rc1 netinst on an Asus P5K motherboard? If this is not the place can you recommend where else to ask? |
| 10:43.16 | themill | UpgradeBoy: Presume you mean 4.0r1 not rc1 ;) |
| 10:43.26 | UpgradeBoy | I guess :) |
| 10:43.42 | liable | UpgradeBoy: google for what chipsets it has and whether they are supported in the 2.6.18 kernel |
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| 10:44.19 | UpgradeBoy | Its Intel P35 |
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| 10:45.51 | miodrag75 | hi |
| 10:46.01 | avtobiff | hi miodrag75 |
| 10:46.04 | miodrag75 | 4ll |
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| 10:47.52 | miodrag75 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:48.40 | miodrag75 | Debian 4.0 i386 or amd64 |
| 10:48.42 | miodrag75 | ??? |
| 10:49.07 | Zapaty | uname -a |
| 10:49.08 | Zapaty | xD |
| 10:50.02 | themill | miodrag75: if in doubt, you can always try a live cd to get a feel for it. |
| 10:51.39 | liable | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. |
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| 10:52.14 | spx2 | do I have any application that can tell me what kind of RAM I have ? |
| 10:52.18 | spx2 | I really need this |
| 10:52.31 | spx2 | I want to buy new RAM and need to know what kind my old ram was |
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| 10:58.17 | Penix | spx2: a screwdriver |
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| 10:59.30 | UpgradeBoy | So no one here running debian on a mobo with the Intel p35 chipset? |
| 10:59.37 | crm__ | how do i determine the screen depth? |
| 10:59.44 | Penix | !poll |
| 10:59.45 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 11:00.35 | acemo | can someone help me install my sound card? |
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| 11:01.00 | Penix | crm__: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep Depth |
| 11:01.32 | CAiRO- | whats wrong with the following line >> if $? -ne 0; then : echo 'fail'; fi i get command 0 not found, but it looks ok to me |
| 11:01.34 | crm__ | Penix, thank you =) |
| 11:01.52 | liable | Arafangion: http://debstats.dontexist.org/foo :) |
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| 11:02.41 | solemnwarning | Has anyone here managed to make konqueror use a SOCKS proxy created by ssh -D? |
| 11:02.44 | Arafangion | liable: You need to find one that /moves/. :) |
| 11:03.10 | techbie | CAiRO:remove the extra colon after then |
| 11:03.32 | CAiRO- | techbie: already tried that, still the same result, "command 0 not found" |
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| 11:04.55 | UpgradeBoy | you can also use xvinfo from the command line for x information |
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| 11:06.07 | acemo | ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] is my sound card.. can anyone help to get it to work? |
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| 11:06.33 | techbie | CAiRO-: if [ $? -ne 0 ] ; then : echo 'fail'; fi |
| 11:06.51 | CAiRO- | ah, ok, the [ ] were missing, thanks |
| 11:09.07 | Penix | acemo: modprobe snd-ens1370? |
| 11:09.32 | Penix | or some other ensoniq driver |
| 11:11.24 | acemo | Penix: still gives me error while initializing the sound driver: device: default can't be opened for playback (no such device) |
| 11:12.32 | Penix | where is that output coming from? |
| 11:13.16 | acemo | when i start kde i get that message, and when i put the audio device to alsa in the sound configure window |
| 11:13.17 | Penix | that looks more like some app trying to play audio on a non-existent card, not modprobe output... |
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| 11:14.20 | themill | acemo: One step at a time. You need to get alsa working before you let arts anywhere near it. |
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| 11:15.47 | Penix | acemo: /msg dpkg audio |
| 11:16.25 | Penix | acemo: or even better, alsa-checklist |
| 11:16.47 | Rhoruns_ | baaah, how do i change my resolution?? it's way too high i can barely see my cursor lol |
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| 11:17.03 | Penix | Rhoruns_: gnome? kde? other? |
| 11:17.14 | Rhoruns_ | i'm not sure. i think it's gnome |
| 11:17.33 | Penix | Rhoruns_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg for system-wide |
| 11:17.45 | Penix | Rhoruns_: or System->Preferences->Screen resolution in gnome |
| 11:17.47 | Penix | bah |
| 11:17.48 | Rhoruns_ | iok :) |
| 11:17.49 | Penix | Desktop-> |
| 11:17.55 | Penix | damn ubuntuism |
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| 11:35.00 | CAiRO- | i've just measured the performance for my hard disk with bonnie++ and in comparison to the examples in the web, my random/sequential read performance is very poor.. what could be the cause for that? i get like 9857/sec for random create but only 139 for random read |
| 11:36.26 | zinx | what filesystem? |
| 11:36.33 | CAiRO- | ext3 |
| 11:36.43 | CAiRO- | all defaults.. |
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| 11:37.27 | onats | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.10 | Internat | yeah that sounds like its not doable |
| 11:38.19 | Internat | though it might be.. |
| 11:38.24 | Internat | does the pri |
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| 11:38.31 | riot | My nfs-kernel-server is ignoring my /etc/exports.. nothing listed in etabs :( |
| 11:38.42 | Internat | the network printer mmake a smb type export of the flash drive? |
| 11:39.00 | riot | s/etabs/xtab |
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| 11:40.31 | onats | Internat, is your message directed to me? |
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| 11:42.08 | wols | onats: it will probably not work at all, unless you can attach the printer via USB |
| 11:42.17 | onats | Internat, doing smbclient -L <ip address>, it gives session request to 192.168.1.107 failed (Call returned zero bytes (EOF)) |
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| 11:42.28 | onats | wols, why wouldn't it work? |
| 11:42.31 | wols | CAiRO-: try hdparm |
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| 11:42.54 | wols | onats: cause your printer has no SMB or NFS server built in? |
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| 11:43.31 | onats | wols, i think thats true.. but in MS win, the card reader is accessible over the network too... |
| 11:43.37 | chronographer | hello experts, I have a script to convert from m4a to mp3 and I want it to process all subdirectories instead of just the current one, can someone point me to a tutorial, ortell me how to make it do this? |
| 11:43.43 | onats | so i was thinking if there's a way to do it also... |
| 11:43.54 | onats | in win, its mounted as a mapped network drive... |
| 11:44.14 | wols | onats: on what PC is that printer connected to? |
| 11:44.26 | onats | wols, its connected to my router/switch |
| 11:44.30 | onats | it has an IP address.. |
| 11:44.45 | onats | network printer... |
| 11:44.45 | chronographer | please |
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| 11:44.56 | wols | onats: then ask your printermaker for their windows-driver sources and how they did it |
| 11:45.09 | onats | wols, i dont think that could be requested from HP? |
| 11:45.12 | wols | sure it's possible, but it's not standardized I'd say |
| 11:45.29 | wols | you could request it alright, doubt they give it to you of course... |
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| 11:45.45 | onats | yeah... too bad.. would've been a great feature to use.. |
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| 11:46.03 | XoX | i set umask 002 in /etc/profile , yet when i launch a terminal emulator in X it umask is 0022 |
| 11:46.04 | wols | onats: check if your printer does have SMB running afer all tho |
| 11:46.30 | onats | wols, doing smbclient -L <printer-ip-address> gives: session request to 192.168.1.107 failed (Call returned zero bytes (EOF)) |
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| 11:46.38 | onats | is that the way to check if it has SMB running? |
| 11:46.40 | ilyak | Hi everyone! |
| 11:46.43 | solemnwarning | When using KDE over VNC why are the fonts small and everything is pixelated? |
| 11:47.00 | solemnwarning | I'mm using 10/100 ethernet and have the quality setting of krdc set to high |
| 11:47.13 | ilyak | I've apt-get upgrade'd, and now georgian script symbols are boxes in amarok and konqueror |
| 11:47.22 | wols | onats: yes. but run the printer under windows and access a file on that SD reader. then check if any ports are open towards the printer with netstat or tcpview |
| 11:47.34 | wols | gives you a hint how the printer makes that feature work |
| 11:47.38 | ilyak | Does anyone know what happened with char resolving? |
| 11:47.43 | DustyBin | does everyone agree that FTP is a old protocol, a bit like TELNET and shouldnt be used, instead use SFTP or FTPS ? |
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| 11:47.52 | wols | DustyBin: yes |
| 11:47.59 | wols | !sftp |
| 11:47.59 | dpkg | i guess sftp is a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. "apt-get install ssh". see http://winscp.net/ for a windows sftp client |
| 11:48.01 | onats | wols, alright.. that sounds like a good plan |
| 11:48.18 | edistar_ | is there any way of opening a dmg image in debian? |
| 11:48.33 | DustyBin | im going to remove VSFTPD and start using SFTP |
| 11:48.56 | DustyBin | but to do that, i must learn how to create a ssh chroot jail for the users who access the ftp |
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| 11:49.04 | onats | brb |
| 11:49.20 | DustyBin | wols: have you ever used 'makejail' |
| 11:49.35 | wols | DustyBin: /msg dpkg ftpmustdie |
| 11:49.43 | wols | no I haven't |
| 11:49.43 | DustyBin | aye |
| 11:50.01 | wols | what is makejall supposed to do? |
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| 11:50.24 | DustyBin | it creates a chroot jail for you, copying over all relevant library files what might be used |
| 11:50.35 | DustyBin | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html |
| 11:50.41 | DustyBin | its on that somewhere |
| 11:50.46 | DustyBin | i think its a debian only tool |
| 11:51.05 | chronographer | can anyone help me make a script I have work with all subdirectories, not just the current directory? |
| 11:51.27 | chronographer | im sure its simple, but we all start somewhere right? =) |
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| 11:52.27 | Ronin | chronographer: script to do what |
| 11:52.34 | Ronin | like i could help heh |
| 11:52.44 | chronographer | convert .m4a to .mp3 |
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| 11:53.09 | chronographer | the script works, I just dont want to keep changing directories to get everything |
| 11:55.34 | maikeru | What IRC-client would be preferred using in Debian when scripting a bot? |
| 11:56.25 | Penix | maikeru: eh? |
| 11:57.00 | XoX | i set umask 002 in /etc/profile , yet when i launch a terminal emulator in X it umask is 0022 |
| 11:57.08 | idimmu | perl and net::irc? |
| 11:57.12 | techbie | chronographer: man cd |
| 11:57.12 | idimmu | maikeru ^^ |
| 11:57.28 | maikeru | Penix: I just realized what I wrote as well heh |
| 11:57.32 | wols | maikeru: bots are not clients. you've seen too much mirc |
| 11:57.40 | wols | maikeru: use something like supybot |
| 11:58.10 | maikeru | wols: I'm afraid I have hehe. |
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| 11:58.18 | maikeru | Think I did some huge misphrasing ;) |
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| 11:58.25 | maikeru | But thanks for the answers :) *hides in shame* |
| 11:58.43 | chronographer | no need to be rude techbie |
| 12:00.20 | Ronin | chronographer: rude? no one was rude |
| 12:00.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | chronographer, tried find? |
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| 12:02.47 | chronographer | nope, haven't tried find |
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| 12:04.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | chronographer, `find ./ -name *m4a -exec <convert utility> \{\} <somename>.mp3 \;` something like that anyway |
| 12:04.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | for a suggestion its ok... |
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| 12:05.09 | DexterF | wifi n00b question: got an netgear wg111 v2 stick on etch/kde, kcontrol says "can't autodetect device". what does that mean, what can I do? |
| 12:05.16 | onats | wols? |
| 12:05.30 | Penix | could probably use some fancy for loop iteration if you wanna get complicated |
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| 12:06.17 | chronographer | cool |
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| 12:06.26 | Penix | DexterF: means it can't autodetect the device |
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| 12:06.31 | Penix | DexterF: install a driver |
| 12:06.33 | chronographer | let me see if it works... |
| 12:06.51 | DexterF | Penix: etch, not windows. can't do such a thing. |
| 12:07.01 | Penix | err...ok then |
| 12:07.28 | Penix | don't use your hardware then |
| 12:08.12 | DexterF | works fine and out of the box in kubuntu 7.04 hence is known to work and is supported. at least in 2.6.20, don't know about .18. |
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| 12:08.24 | Penix | DexterF: trying *loading* a driver? |
| 12:08.31 | Penix | tried, rather |
| 12:08.35 | fasta | Does this mean my harddisk is about to die? http://paste.debian.net/36203 |
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| 12:09.04 | blaamann | I asked someone in here yesterday about which files to look in for debug information when my system freeze. I have been looking in syslog, kern.log, debug and messages but there are nothing in there the time when one of my total freezes happens. What more can I do to debug my complete system freeze ? |
| 12:09.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | DexterF, does it use non-free firmware that may not be in debian? |
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| 12:09.24 | vor | hi, |
| 12:09.26 | Penix | DexterF: what I do know about your device, is, some use prism chips, some ralink |
| 12:09.27 | vor | testin a new freeNX setup and amazed that a fluxbox seasons is way slower then KDE & Gnome, any debugging comments apretiated. |
| 12:09.48 | Penix | DexterF: find out which yours is, find out which driver it uses |
| 12:10.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | fasta, quite likely |
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| 12:10.22 | DexterF | fasta: could be, could not. I'd run the long test from hdparm (check man page for options), if possible try and dd the entire disk to /dev/null from a live cd and look up smartctl -a, possibly inquire manufacturer on how to read certain parameters if uncertain. |
| 12:10.30 | DexterF | and: backup your data anyway :) |
| 12:10.58 | DexterF | Kamping_Kaiser: nah, no firmware. plain usb stick, no need for FW |
| 12:11.03 | DexterF | Penix: lemme check |
| 12:11.28 | Penix | ...usb means no firmware?... |
| 12:11.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | fasta, has the drive just started doing that? |
| 12:11.49 | onats | how do i enable netbios-ssn? |
| 12:11.52 | fasta | Kamping_Kaiser: it has done that for about two weeks. |
| 12:12.00 | fasta | Kamping_Kaiser: but it seems it's going worse. |
| 12:12.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | fasta, how old is the drive, and whats the manufacturor? |
| 12:12.14 | fasta | Kamping_Kaiser: actually it didn't do that in that last two weeks |
| 12:12.32 | fasta | Kamping_Kaiser: Maxtor and it's about 3 years old |
| 12:12.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | ew |
| 12:12.58 | fasta | Kamping_Kaiser: ew? |
| 12:13.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | it might be something else, but i think its EOLing itself |
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| 12:13.27 | chronographer | does this look ok? http://pastebin.com/d65b4df26 |
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| 12:13.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | fasta, i find maxtor drives remarkably unreliable |
| 12:13.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | along with fujitsus *shudder* |
| 12:13.41 | fasta | Kamping_Kaiser: tell me something I should buy next. |
| 12:13.56 | Penix | I've found maxtor's quite reliable. seagate's have been the opposite |
| 12:14.11 | fasta | My Maxtor's never crashed. |
| 12:14.23 | fasta | (this is the first time I see a problem) |
| 12:14.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | fasta, i'm a fan of western digital, seagate server drives i havent had issues with (yet) |
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| 12:14.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | that said, i have lost a WD recently :( |
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| 12:15.11 | rvalles | here seagate means trouble |
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| 12:15.30 | Penix | I've got a couple of nice samsung drives I don't mind, believe it or not |
| 12:15.38 | Penix | quiet |
| 12:15.45 | rvalles | used to buy maxtors |
| 12:15.46 | wols | fasta: samsung or seagate |
| 12:15.47 | rvalles | until... |
| 12:15.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | not seen any of their drives |
| 12:15.55 | Ronin | no problems with seagates or maxtor for me so its hit and miss apparently |
| 12:16.04 | onats | anyone familiar with netbios here? |
| 12:16.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | chronographer, looks ok ... (dont quote me) |
| 12:16.20 | rvalles | no problems with seagates here either, laterly |
| 12:16.21 | chronographer | yeah, I don't think it deals with spaces... |
| 12:16.33 | chronographer | i spose I could just remove them all eh? |
| 12:16.34 | rvalles | maybe they got something of use from maxtor? |
| 12:16.37 | rvalles | :) |
| 12:16.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | chronographer, you have to quote the variable |
| 12:16.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | chronographer, but spaces are evil anyway |
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| 12:16.54 | chronographer | like '$var' |
| 12:16.57 | kpearce | Hey all, after a power outage this morning, my computer won't boot. VFS complains about an unrecognized root device. I have done upgrades of debian (unstable) since my last boot, but I haven't changed any LILO settings. I've tried providing a root option, giving various partitions (I can't remember which one it's actually supposed to be) and I get the error with all of them. I do have a surge protector. Any ideas? |
| 12:17.12 | DexterF | fasta: 3 year old disk might have worn out. if the rate of errors are increasing replace the disk. sounds risk. |
| 12:17.15 | DexterF | *risky |
| 12:17.29 | DustyBin | what does this error mean: |
| 12:17.29 | wols | kpearce: boot a live cd and check out the partition |
| 12:17.30 | DustyBin | /bin/ln: creating hard link `bin/false' to `/bin/false': Invalid cross-device link |
| 12:17.31 | Penix | I had a 320G seagate drive die on me after about a month. couldn't even get an instant swap coz seagate's crappy diag tools reckoned everything was fine |
| 12:17.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | kpearce, so are you using lilo? |
| 12:17.48 | kpearce | Kamping_Kaiser: yes |
| 12:17.49 | Penix | despite a high pitched whining coming from it along with massive data loss |
| 12:18.02 | DexterF | by the way: seagate, WD, samsung hitachi all doesn't matter, basically (s)ata drives are all consumer crud so you won't get any more liability from the one or the other |
| 12:18.03 | wols | DustyBin: hardlinks can only work on the same partition. not across partitions |
| 12:18.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | DustyBin, they are on seperate partitions |
| 12:18.32 | fasta | DexterF: so, what's not crud? |
| 12:18.42 | Penix | fasta: enterprise grade SAS/SCSI? |
| 12:18.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | DexterF, cant comment for sata - my only sata is the one that died :( my ides have never faltered |
| 12:18.53 | DustyBin | oh nooo: wols: how can i setup a ssh chroot on another partition? i have a seperate ftp disk |
| 12:18.56 | wols | DexterF: you know that SCSI drives and SATA drives have tthe same mechanics nowadays? |
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| 12:19.11 | DexterF | you'll find a "XY died on me after only Z days" report about *any* drive manufacturer. there simply is no "best" manufacturer. a hard disk wears out due to mechanical stress, they *all* die eventually |
| 12:19.17 | DexterF | wols: bullshit |
| 12:19.23 | Penix | thanks captain obvious |
| 12:19.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | DexterF, no shit they all die eventually, but how long *eventually* is makes the key bit |
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| 12:20.24 | fasta | Penix: and they have an enterprise grade price tag? |
| 12:20.31 | wols | fasta: storagereview.com. they have drive relaibility DBs. about the most reliable thing in this regard I've seen so far, but of course not perfect |
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| 12:21.03 | DexterF | fasta: there's a few I would avoid, namely ExcelStor (el-cheapo/B ware spin-off of Hitachi) and Maxtor (latest el cheapo acquisition from Seagate to wipe out a competitor), otherwise, well, I usually recommend Seagate for its 5yrs warranty or Samsung since they are rather quiet if that matters |
| 12:21.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | kpearce, i dont know about lilo at all :| |
| 12:21.26 | DexterF | Hitachi's fine, too, as long as you cool them, WD, dunno, probably ok |
| 12:21.34 | DustyBin | i think im getting my wires crossed here maybe, all i want to do is create a user who is locked into a directory for FTP? instead of using chroot i could just user permissions and not allow that user ssh access only sftp access somehow? |
| 12:21.46 | DustyBin | *set |
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| 12:22.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | DustyBin, set the users home to the ftp dir and rbash them in? |
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| 12:22.28 | DexterF | Kamping_Kaiser: even the most thorough production line will have a bad series eventually that might die after a few days. so: you can't really expect *anything*. no one will guarantee anything at all. backup or die. |
| 12:22.28 | DustyBin | that sounds more like it |
| 12:22.38 | Penix | don't some ftp daemons have support for that? |
| 12:22.48 | DustyBin | im not quite sure rbash in is |
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| 12:23.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | DexterF, yes. |
| 12:23.09 | DustyBin | Penix: ftp is dead |
| 12:23.41 | Penix | DustyBin: which is why you're trying to use it? |
| 12:23.46 | IsaacHaze | on what basis does aptitude decide that packages are obsolete? (in particular vlc version 0.8.6.a.debian-6 on lenny) |
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| 12:23.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | hardly... its debians recomended way of aquireing package slast i checked :O |
| 12:23.54 | DustyBin | not ftp, sftp |
| 12:24.00 | DustyBin | ssh protocol |
| 12:24.25 | DustyBin | im in the process of remove VSFTPD what isnt so 'secure' |
| 12:24.38 | wols | IsaacHaze: version numbers in the filename |
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| 12:25.20 | Penix | DustyBin: a quick google returns quite a few howtos |
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| 12:25.49 | Penix | even some scripts to do it |
| 12:25.50 | moshii | DustyBin: encrypting stuff doesn't make a system secure |
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| 12:27.01 | DustyBin | moshii: no, but it makes the service more secure! |
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| 12:27.12 | fasta | It seems the same LBAsect=140185576636287 is broken. |
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| 12:27.21 | fasta | Can't I tell Linux not to use that again? |
| 12:27.28 | moshii | DustyBin: no, it makes the data safe from man in the middle attacks |
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| 12:27.51 | moshii | DustyBin: it doesn't stop a bad password leaving your system wide open |
| 12:27.59 | Penix | isn't it up to the drive to tell itself not to use it again? |
| 12:28.03 | DustyBin | aye true |
| 12:28.17 | onats | how do i access files using the netbios-ssn port 139? |
| 12:28.19 | DustyBin | moshii: very true, captain obvious |
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| 12:28.25 | fasta | Penix: Apparently, it isn't that smart. |
| 12:29.05 | DexterF | fasta: check smartctl -a for realloc sectors count |
| 12:29.23 | moshii | DustyBin: beh, when some bot machine starts pounding ssh on your box you'll understand |
| 12:29.40 | Penix | onats: apt-get install l33thax0ringtool , or use samba if your intentions are legit |
| 12:29.54 | fasta | DexterF: ? |
| 12:30.11 | fasta | DexterF: what does that help me? |
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| 12:30.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | night all |
| 12:30.37 | Trewas | fasta: e2fsck has -c flag to scan and mark bad sectors, after that it won't try to use them again |
| 12:30.37 | mrjive | hi *, troubles in compiling with m-a: http://paste.debian.net/36206 |
| 12:30.40 | DexterF | fasta: if that one's high it's good indicator for soon drive failure |
| 12:30.44 | onats | Penix, hmmm, actually im doing legit.. is there a package like that?? |
| 12:31.03 | DexterF | fasta: if it's zero the drive didn't even notive the bad block itself. not uncommon on ata. |
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| 12:31.19 | Penix | onats: apt-get install sub7, all your friends will worship you |
| 12:31.43 | Penix | onats: but, anyway, you want samba |
| 12:31.44 | onats | huh? |
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| 12:31.51 | azeem | Penix: if you don't want to help, just ignore questions |
| 12:32.04 | fasta | DexterF: Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0008 253 253 000 Old_age Offline |
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| 12:32.23 | leafwiz | I'm running debian etch , gnome, on a ThinkPad r51, and the suspend won't work.. |
| 12:32.27 | fasta | DexterF: I am not sure what "Offline" means here. |
| 12:33.00 | TheInfinity | hello ... because of lots of different information in net ... aptitude had a better controll of extra packages which where installed. sometimes in the net is said that since debian4 apt-get ghas the same algo like aptitude, some say not. |
| 12:33.05 | TheInfinity | ... and what is the truth? :) |
| 12:33.08 | fasta | Trewas: I can only execute that command in single user mode, right? |
| 12:33.26 | onur | Hi. I want to compile libcaca from source. I get source with apt-get source. And i just edit one if exception. After i get build depenceries with apt-get build-dep libcaca. After i do dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot. And after its say: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL make[2]: *** [libcaca.la] Error 1. It this my fault or a bug for wrong or missing depenceries? |
| 12:33.26 | azeem | TheInfinity: they don't |
| 12:33.47 | TheInfinity | so aptitude has still the better algos? |
| 12:33.55 | azeem | TheInfinity: for 4.0, yes |
| 12:33.59 | TheInfinity | ah okay |
| 12:34.01 | azeem | maybe this will change with lenny |
| 12:34.02 | TheInfinity | thanks |
| 12:34.18 | TheInfinity | then i read a few rumours ... |
| 12:34.32 | TheInfinity | google is sometimes a little ... uh. ;) |
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| 12:36.06 | onats | i'm trying to access the card reader on my network printer, the ff ports are open on the printer: 80,139, 9100,9101,9102.. using smbclient to access the files fails... |
| 12:36.08 | Trewas | fasta: if that drive contains the root-filesystem I'd get it replaced ASAP |
| 12:36.09 | onats | anyone have anyo idea? |
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| 12:36.58 | fasta | Trewas: why specifically the root fs? |
| 12:37.09 | Penix | I'd be going for /home |
| 12:37.20 | dalias | onats, you prolly need to use usb to access it |
| 12:37.38 | dalias | a printer is not a network fileserver... |
| 12:37.47 | scorn | I'm getting ready to upgrade to a new machine that has an SATA controller (with PATA ports), so that now my /dev/hdax devices will be /dev/sdax devices. How can I use yaird to create the initrd to use these /dev/sdax devices when they don't exist on the machine I'm using to create the initrd? |
| 12:37.47 | onats | dalias, the card reader is accessible via network in windows... |
| 12:37.52 | dalias | hmm |
| 12:37.57 | dalias | how does it appear under windows then? |
| 12:38.02 | dalias | in the network neighborhood? |
| 12:38.05 | Penix | probably as a samba share |
| 12:38.14 | onats | dalias, as a mapped network drive |
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| 12:38.18 | dalias | ah |
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| 12:38.27 | dalias | then you just need to use samba to connect to it |
| 12:38.37 | Penix | onats: didn't you say you already tried smbclient? |
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| 12:38.52 | Trewas | fasta: if it gets more bad sectors to important files, there will be "funny" problems, but of course it is best to back up everything important whatever it has |
| 12:38.52 | scorn | yaird exits with "yaird error: '/dev/sda5' not found (/etc/fstab:6) (fatal)" |
| 12:39.13 | onats | Penix, yes i tried it..using the command smbclient, and the message is: session request to 192.168.1.107 failed (Call returned zero bytes (EOF)) |
| 12:39.38 | onats | the only ports open on the device is 80,139, 9100,9101, 9102... |
| 12:39.40 | DexterF | fasta: dont knwo about offline either, manpage should clear that. still, seems like the drive didnt realloc that bad sector |
| 12:40.07 | fasta | Trewas: you mean like if the kernel file gets damaged in the wrong way it could decide to call rm -rf / on boot? |
| 12:40.09 | DexterF | I'd recommend a badblocks scan, but iirc that wipes the disk |
| 12:40.12 | onats | dalias? |
| 12:40.12 | Penix | onats: you might need to specify a username and share name |
| 12:40.18 | themill | onats: smb needs more ports than just 139, I think |
| 12:40.20 | StylusEater_Work | hi. I'm trying to pxe boot a diskless setup (motherboard, ram, powersupply and nic only) using a crossover cable attached to a second interface on my primary machine... I keep getting a media error message ... the pxe image I'm using matches the NIC chip (intel UNDI)... I'm thinking it might not be possible to pxe boot using a crossover cable, am I wrong? |
| 12:40.31 | fasta | DexterF: it wipes the disk!? |
| 12:40.38 | fasta | DexterF: the manpage didn't tell that |
| 12:40.51 | DexterF | not sure 100% lemme check |
| 12:41.03 | DexterF | "badblocks", not smartctl |
| 12:41.04 | onats | Penix, by sharename, you mean the folder thats "shared" on the printer right? |
| 12:41.05 | dalias | why not investigate better what windows is doing to connect to it? |
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| 12:41.11 | Penix | 139's just name resolution for smb etc. isn't it? |
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| 12:41.31 | fasta | DexterF: I was talking about the exfsck -c command |
| 12:41.36 | Penix | onats: yeah. the printer's most likely exporting the card's filesystem as a share with a certain name perhaps |
| 12:41.39 | fasta | DexterF: which calls badblocks |
| 12:41.40 | themill | "session service".... |
| 12:41.41 | DexterF | fasta: nah, that not |
| 12:41.50 | irwiss | Hey all. Is network-manager-gnome discontinued in sid? Or is it renamed to something else? |
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| 12:41.56 | apk | How do I set the font on my gtk applications if I am not using gnome? |
| 12:42.13 | SlayerXP | irwiss: http://packages.debian.irg/ |
| 12:42.13 | Penix | apk: ~/.gtkrc? |
| 12:42.15 | StylusEater_Work | irwiss: I think it was rolled into NetworkManager (but that's conjecture...) |
| 12:42.15 | SlayerXP | errr |
| 12:42.18 | SlayerXP | irwiss: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 12:42.19 | Penix | apk: gtkfontsel? |
| 12:42.27 | dalias | gtkfontsel is a joke |
| 12:42.34 | onats | Penix, the address when mapping it as a drive in windows would look like this: \\192.168.1.107\memory_card |
| 12:42.39 | DexterF | fasta: ah, badblocks can do all, ro, rw [non-|destructive] |
| 12:42.40 | dalias | it's outdated and uses x11 fonts not fontconfig fonts |
| 12:42.54 | Penix | there's a gtk2 version, iirc |
| 12:42.57 | dalias | so it can't be used for selecting a font for gtk to use, since gtk uses pango which uses fontconfig.. |
| 12:43.06 | azeem | irwiss: it has been split off, and is currently waiting at http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
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| 12:43.28 | themill | onats: I presume you were careful about shell quoting rules with all those \\\\\ .... |
| 12:43.39 | azeem | onats: did you try http? |
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| 12:44.09 | onats | themill, on shell, i used // |
| 12:44.18 | themill | :) |
| 12:44.30 | onats | azeem, yes, 404 file not found... |
| 12:44.43 | irwiss | azeem: Thanks |
| 12:45.08 | themill | onats: sometimes you need to use //smbname/share -I ip.ad.dr.ess to get smb connections to work |
| 12:45.10 | fasta | I backed up home etc and /usr/lib/cgi-bin. Is there anything else important? |
| 12:45.25 | azeem | maybe your dpkg database |
| 12:45.28 | onats | themill, ok lemme try that... |
| 12:45.32 | themill | fasta: mysql dbs? |
| 12:45.34 | fasta | azeem: ah, right. I have that too. |
| 12:45.37 | fasta | themill: none |
| 12:45.57 | themill | fasta: /usr/local |
| 12:45.59 | apk | Penix: Is there a man page that covers the syntax of .gtkrc? |
| 12:46.08 | DustyBin | this is what you need for sftp |
| 12:46.09 | DustyBin | rssh - Restricted shell allowing only scp, sftp, cvs, rsync and/or rdist |
| 12:46.10 | fasta | themill: doesn't that only contain installed programs? |
| 12:46.16 | StylusEater_Work | anyone? can you pxe boot using a crossover? |
| 12:46.43 | fasta | themill: well, doesn't appear to have anything important. Thanks, anyway |
| 12:46.46 | onats | themill, still the same error offailed (Call returned zero bytes (EOF)) |
| 12:46.48 | dalias | styluseater_work, of course, you can always use crossover cables in place of a hub/switch |
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| 12:47.53 | themill | onats: what make and model printer is it? |
| 12:48.03 | onats | themill, HP Photosmart 2610 |
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| 12:49.03 | StylusEater_Work | dalias: but it's not working... I have dhcp on the nic I'm using to "boot" of it... but I keep get an E61 media error |
| 12:49.07 | StylusEater_Work | *getting |
| 12:49.50 | Rhoruns_ | why can't my gcc compiler make executables?? |
| 12:49.58 | themill | !b-e Rhoruns_ |
| 12:49.58 | dpkg | Rhoruns_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 12:50.01 | StylusEater_Work | Rhoruns_: what's the error? |
| 12:50.27 | Rhoruns_ | configure: error:C compiler cannot create executables. |
| 12:50.31 | themill | !b-e Rhoruns_ |
| 12:50.31 | dpkg | Rhoruns_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 12:50.44 | Rhoruns_ | k.. |
| 12:51.23 | irwiss | StylusEater_Work: Tried replacing the cable or searching for that error related to your nic model? |
| 12:51.53 | StylusEater_Work | irwiss: yes I have. It's an error with the "media" ... the actual cable... which is not right b/c I've checked the cable... |
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| 12:52.08 | heh_v_water | StylusEater_Work, a crossover cable is simply making it so send goes to recieve and recieve goes to send which is exactly what a switch or hub does, I installed a sun blade with x-over cable before so it does work |
| 12:52.57 | StylusEater_Work | heh_v_water: yes. I know it SHOULD be possible... but for some reason it's not with my config. Just wondering if others have had a similar experience and at what point in the troubleshooting they overcame the problem... |
| 12:53.36 | heh_v_water | StylusEater_Work, maybe try tcpdump on the dhcp machine and see if you can catch the packets? |
| 12:53.53 | StylusEater_Work | heh_v_water: never knew about that... I'll give it a whirl. Thx. |
| 12:53.55 | themill | onats: port 9100 is the HP JetDirect protocol. If you install the hpijs driver you should be able to use that -- tell cups to use the "HP JetDirect" protocol and then you can specify the host ip and port as 9100. |
| 12:54.03 | themill | onats: ymmv, of course.... |
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| 12:54.38 | themill | onats: of hplip (which has more functionality) |
| 12:54.46 | heh_v_water | StylusEater_Work, also you may have soemthing happening where the lcient isnt getting it's boo timage.. config errors or soemthing maybe? |
| 12:54.51 | debian-ash | Does anyone know if its possible to give a certain partion more space? Without OS reinstall? |
| 12:54.59 | irwiss | StylusEater_Work: Try looking at mii-tool -v says on the pc you're trying to boot from, if you can stop the process when it's showing that error |
| 12:55.12 | irwiss | StylusEater_Work: s/says/output/ |
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| 12:56.48 | onats | themill, actually i am able to access the printer's functionalities already... scanning and printing.. |
| 12:57.13 | themill | onats: ok.... so what *are* you trying to do? |
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| 12:57.25 | onats | themill, access the built-in memory card reader on the printer... |
| 12:57.40 | rockzman | Can someone analyze a pastebin and help me ? I am tryin to install OpenChrome xorg driver |
| 12:57.40 | azeem | uh, are you sure that's supported? |
| 12:57.48 | onats | themill, its a multifunction printer, with a built in memory card reader... |
| 12:57.49 | StylusEater_Work | irwiss: will do. |
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| 12:58.06 | StylusEater_Work | irwiss and heh_v_water ... thx |
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| 12:58.15 | StylusEater_Work | I'll try it when I get home... |
| 12:58.18 | themill | onats: I was under the impression the memory card reader was for doing direct printing not for actually reading memory cards back to a pc host |
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| 12:59.06 | ansong | if i tar a dir does it keep all permissions / ownership? |
| 12:59.06 | Shadur | ansong: Depends. |
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| 12:59.07 | themill | ansong: yes, but only if you untar as root will ownership be included. There are command line options for that too |
| 12:59.15 | Shadur | If you're tarring as root, yes. Otherwise, you'll need to set some options. |
| 12:59.23 | ick | Does e2fsck -c also work for ext3 file systems? |
| 12:59.36 | Shadur | And I think setuid very explicitly doesn't get taken along for the tar ride. |
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| 13:00.09 | onats | themill, well... that could probably be what its primary use would be... BUT... i just wanted to see if i can do what could be done in windows. In windows, i am able to transfer the files to my machine by using the built-in card reader |
| 13:00.38 | ansong | Shadur: themill: i need to tar a bunch of websites from /var/www and move them to another system. will tar -cvvjpf sites.tar.bz2 ./* do what i need? |
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| 13:02.19 | themill | onats: ahhh.. so the hardware can do it ;) So samba should then be able to have a crack at it too... try smbclient //server -L |
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| 13:04.38 | gui__ | hi |
| 13:05.00 | onats | themill, like what i posted earlier: session request to 192.168.1.107 failed (Call returned zero bytes (EOF)) |
| 13:05.44 | azeem | onats: you could try to sniff the tcp/ip traffic when you access it from Windows |
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| 13:05.58 | azeem | but it could be a proprietary/non-standard protocal |
| 13:06.07 | Rhoruns_ | how do i get the PostgreSQL includes??? |
| 13:06.28 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know where debian saves the mysql config so i can read / change the password ? |
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| 13:06.47 | themill | onats: yep... and see if it's monkeying with other ports.... smb needs more than just 139 iirc. |
| 13:07.14 | Rhoruns_ | rocketmagnet, i dont think you can read or change the password externally without actually using the client |
| 13:07.18 | gui__ | when I use rsync with -p or -a I have a permission problem, the uid between source and destination are not the same because the users uid are not the same in /etc/passwd is there a way to preserver uid (numerical) perms and not by user name ? |
| 13:07.24 | onats | azeem,themill, then in that case, if its doing something else with a different port, i won't be able to access it then right? |
| 13:07.27 | Arafangion | Why does booting linux with "noapic" sometimes help? |
| 13:07.29 | gui__ | does it make sense ? |
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| 13:07.33 | rocketmagnet | Rhoruns_: so how to reset the password ? |
| 13:07.43 | azeem | onats: at least it gives you further hints |
| 13:07.49 | onats | what i don't understand is that in windows, it is mounted as a mapped network drive.... |
| 13:08.15 | Rhoruns_ | rocketmagnet, backup your databases, and reinstall mysql. that's what i would do. |
| 13:08.21 | rockzman | Can someone analyze a pastebin and help me ? I am tryin to install OpenChrome xorg driver |
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| 13:09.09 | Rhoruns_ | if you have critical information in your databases, dont follow my advice |
| 13:09.17 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - is it possible to get monin to send an alert using http? eg: http://msmsserver.example/sms?to=07800111111&msg={ALERT_MESSAGE} |
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| 13:11.45 | rockzman | Can someone analyze a pastebin and help me ? I am tryin to install OpenChrome xorg driver this is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/m33855240 |
| 13:11.58 | azeem | rockzman: and don't freaking cross-post |
| 13:12.13 | themill | onats: do you have a card in the card reader while trying with samba? |
| 13:12.31 | rocketmagnet | Rhoruns_: it's just a basic install, so no tables at all, but how to set the password after reinstall ? |
| 13:12.53 | themill | rocketmagnet: for mysql? |
| 13:12.53 | Rhoruns_ | hmm.. i forgot the command |
| 13:12.56 | Rhoruns_ | let me find it |
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| 13:13.11 | rockzman | azeem, kay buddy instead of makin remarks why dont you just help or see if u can |
| 13:13.14 | themill | !mysql initial password |
| 13:13.14 | dpkg | if you've never set a password for mysql before then you can run: /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'enter-your-good-new-password-here'; if you have set a password before, ask me about <forgot mysql root password> |
| 13:13.24 | Rhoruns_ | mysqladmin -u root password NEWPASSWORD |
| 13:13.35 | Rhoruns_ | ah yes |
| 13:13.36 | Rhoruns_ | lol |
| 13:13.41 | themill | Rhoruns_: dpkg is faster ;) |
| 13:13.45 | Rhoruns_ | sorry :D |
| 13:13.46 | rocketmagnet | ty |
| 13:13.48 | themill | !beer dpkg |
| 13:14.08 | Rhoruns_ | !dpkg |
| 13:14.09 | dpkg | [dpkg] the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 13:14.15 | Rhoruns_ | !life |
| 13:14.15 | dpkg | methinks life is what you made by yourself. so if you're saying "life sucks", it is you that sucked. |
| 13:14.21 | Rhoruns_ | !42 |
| 13:14.21 | dpkg | it has been said that 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 13:14.22 | Rhoruns_ | lol |
| 13:14.24 | rocketmagnet | !mysql forgot mysql root password |
| 13:14.30 | rocketmagnet | ? |
| 13:14.32 | themill | !tell Rhoruns_ about msg the bot |
| 13:14.38 | sep | i just installed beryl from the debian.beryl-project.org site. and it works on on my main screenm but i have a dualhead setup, ad my left screen acts as there is no window manager. how can i make the left one work too |
| 13:15.00 | themill | !tell rocketmagnet about forgot mysql root password |
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| 13:15.21 | Rhoruns_ | sorry themill :( |
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| 13:15.40 | rocketmagnet | how to ask mysql about forgot mysql root password ? |
| 13:15.50 | themill | Rhoruns_: that's ok... I was worried that you were going to keep yourself amused for the rest of the afternoon that way |
| 13:15.52 | rocketmagnet | ah |
| 13:15.53 | Rhoruns_ | $ mysqladmin -u root -p oldpassword newpass |
| 13:15.57 | Rhoruns_ | :) |
| 13:16.04 | themill | rocketmagnet: dpkg just told you |
| 13:16.10 | SpeedyG | Rhoruns_: does that also work when you've forgotten the pass? :P |
| 13:16.10 | Rhoruns_ | baaahh |
| 13:16.12 | Rhoruns_ | not again lol |
| 13:16.24 | themill | rocketmagnet: in a msg |
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| 13:16.40 | Rhoruns_ | oh |
| 13:16.43 | Rhoruns_ | wait.. lol |
| 13:16.45 | Rhoruns_ | im an idiot |
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| 13:16.58 | et | rocketmagnet: "mysql forgot root password" in google … |
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| 13:17.05 | Rhoruns_ | !rhorunsstrike themill |
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| 13:17.16 | themill | !forgot mysql root password |
| 13:17.16 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
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| 13:17.22 | themill | rocketmagnet: ^^ |
| 13:17.29 | themill | !lart Rhoruns_ |
| 13:17.33 | themill | I win. |
| 13:17.37 | Rhoruns_ | lol |
| 13:17.45 | Rhoruns_ | !penixstrike themill |
| 13:17.46 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking themill to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 13:17.50 | Rhoruns_ | hahahahaha |
| 13:17.55 | themill | !kill Rhoruns_ |
| 13:17.59 | Rhoruns_ | ahhhh *dies |
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| 13:19.04 | et | hmm, the message from dpkg should be updated |
| 13:19.09 | ick | How do I perform e3fsck on a volumegroup /deb/vol/one in Knoppix that was made on Debian? |
| 13:19.18 | ick | e2* |
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| 13:19.54 | themill | et: the url for mysql root pass? |
| 13:20.15 | AlbertyPascal | !hello |
| 13:20.15 | dpkg | Hi, albertypascal! |
| 13:20.26 | AlbertyPascal | !bye |
| 13:20.26 | dpkg | Cya, albertypascal |
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| 13:20.44 | et | themill: no, there's a better way than what dpkg says, and it's outlined in that page |
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| 13:21.59 | themill | et: hmmm.... I'm not sure that I personally like the init file approach any better than skip grant tables. They're both a bit ugly. |
| 13:22.10 | themill | et: better to not forget the mysql root passwd, really ;) |
| 13:22.29 | rockzman | Can someone analyze a pastebin and help me ? I am tryin to install OpenChrome xorg driver this is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/m33855240 |
| 13:22.31 | rocketmagnet | i have a problem with the first command, when i trype mysqld --skip-grant-tables into my shell i see InnoDB:Started; ... but no command prompt, i can just type stuff but get no reply |
| 13:23.19 | rocketmagnet | and i can't go out of this with ctr c |
| 13:23.26 | liable | heh, i started looking for a new mobo and end up thinking about buying a 1u server :) |
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| 13:24.53 | afd_ | hi! I have a multiprocessor machine, how can I tell linux on which processor to start a certain task? |
| 13:24.54 | DexterF | !backports |
| 13:24.54 | dpkg | backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 13:25.30 | brunto | hi all ! I don't understand I try to install debian 40r1 or another on my dell 1950 but when I'm at the step "choose and install software" and after dl it, nothing appear. I tried 3times but nothing (sorry for my english) I asked on #debianfr but nothing |
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| 13:28.29 | rocketmagnet | themill: i have problems with what dpkg tells me about "forgot mysql root password" |
| 13:29.08 | aarcane | where is the hosts file on debian ? |
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| 13:29.36 | brunto | /etc/hosts |
| 13:29.37 | ick | aarcane: man hosts |
| 13:30.01 | themill | rocketmagnet: you need to switch to another terminal to do the rest |
| 13:30.04 | Trewas | afd_: you can do that with taskset(1), but you should not generally need to do that |
| 13:30.20 | themill | rocketmagnet: and at the end you killall mysqld |
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| 13:30.35 | brunto | nobody know how can I fix it ? |
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| 13:31.01 | rocketmagnet | themill: but i get no response on my input |
| 13:31.08 | liable | brunto: it downloads it or not? |
| 13:31.09 | rocketmagnet | that's normal ? |
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| 13:31.31 | brunto | yes but after dl it it stop and don't install it |
| 13:31.32 | themill | rocketmagnet: you need to switch to another terminal once you've started mysqld with --skip.... |
| 13:31.44 | liable | brunto: whats the last thing it says? |
| 13:31.45 | rocketmagnet | ah... |
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| 13:32.07 | neeewbi | I cant get sound ! xmms complains on wrong driver ! |
| 13:32.19 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 13:32.20 | dpkg | somebody said alsa one-liner was apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 13:32.22 | brunto | nothing in syslog, nothing at screen juste 18% ad "dl end 101 to 101" |
| 13:32.22 | onats | themill, i did what you said.. from the windows machine, the source port is 2159 (GDB remote debug port)... |
| 13:32.22 | neeewbi | how can I tell if the sound card is supposed to be using alsa or noe ? |
| 13:33.07 | liable | brunto: try installing without the net plugged in, then you can reboot after base install and update from there |
| 13:33.17 | themill | onats: the ports on the windoze machine aren't that interesting, it's the ports on the printer that you need to know. Wireshark might be useful for this. |
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| 13:33.51 | liable | wireshark rocks for finding network printers |
| 13:33.52 | brunto | liable, ok I try this thx |
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| 13:34.11 | liable | i just had to do that a couple of hours ago |
| 13:34.35 | ezguy | hi, i can't launch firefox. is there a firefox lock file i can remove? |
| 13:34.41 | Dark-Fx | yes |
| 13:35.02 | dalias | find .mozilla -name lock |
| 13:35.17 | onats | themill, yep, i used wireshark... |
| 13:35.31 | ezguy | thanks |
| 13:35.32 | themill | ezguy: but do a ps axf to make sure there are no other iceweasels running... |
| 13:35.40 | liable | nmap it? |
| 13:35.44 | rocketmagnet | themill: when i make mysqld listen only on 127.0.0.1 nobody from outside can connect to it ? |
| 13:35.49 | onats | themill, the printer is also sending out something out of 2159 and 3100 |
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| 13:37.59 | neeewbi | abrotman: alsa .... conf didnt fix it ! |
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| 13:38.30 | onats | then after that, once communication is established, it uses 1399 and 161 |
| 13:38.34 | neeewbi | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 13:38.40 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 13:38.40 | dpkg | alsa-checklist is, like, 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 13:40.45 | ezguy | themill: find . mozilla -name lock returns nothing and i still can't lanuch firefox. any ideas? |
| 13:40.51 | neeewbi | abrotman: 3) it dont have a device for alsamixer ... |
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| 13:41.19 | mashuuk | Hi is there any low bandwitch X protocol ? |
| 13:41.23 | mashuuk | for remote sessions ? |
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| 13:41.36 | themill | ezguy: firefox or iceweasel? |
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| 13:41.43 | bwlang | what's the best software to test a disk? i tried bonnie++ using the whole disk's capacity, but it failed after the first round |
| 13:42.04 | bwlang | mashuuk: have a look at nomachine |
| 13:42.16 | Arafangion | bwlang: Comparison with the hot spare. :) |
| 13:42.19 | neeewbi | abrotman: 8) no space on device |
| 13:42.27 | ezguy | themill, not sure, how can i tell? i think it iceweasel |
| 13:42.29 | mashuuk | bwlang, is it in debian ? |
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| 13:42.40 | bwlang | mashuuk: not in apt... google it |
| 13:42.49 | themill | ezguy: are you running etch? |
| 13:42.51 | hark | ezguy: was that a typo? it's .mozilla |
| 13:43.12 | ezguy | fc5 |
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| 13:43.32 | bwlang | Arafangion: i thought about just adding it to a raid1 array, but that will only test parts of the disk. I really need to exercise this disk to see if the problem i've been having is solved by switching to a different controller |
| 13:43.35 | maxamillion | out of curiosity, why is w3m installed by default? ... is there something that made it more desirable than elinks/links/links2? |
| 13:43.40 | themill | hark: there's no file called lock anyway |
| 13:43.53 | themill | bah... yes there is |
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| 13:44.24 | en1gmaaa | morning all |
| 13:44.43 | mashuuk | bwlang, is it low bandwitch? |
| 13:44.44 | Ronin | maxamillion: because they had to pick one and that was the one that won the straw draw? |
| 13:44.45 | neeewbi | I have intel8x0 nVidia Corporation CK804 AC '97 Audio controller, which alsaconf finds but doesnt create sound device. do I need some module for the AC '97 part ? |
| 13:44.49 | maikeru | Hey guys. I have a slightly problem. Experiencing some problem with apt-get install and when it tells me to insert any disc, it wants it to be put in "CD-ROM 1", though that one doesn't exist. Don't know if this makes any sense |
| 13:44.49 | bwlang | mashuuk: yes |
| 13:44.55 | themill | ezguy: the lock file is something like ~/.mozilla/firefox/default.XXX/lock where the default.XXX will vary o nyour machine |
| 13:45.01 | mashuuk | bwlang, thx a lot |
| 13:45.23 | maikeru | But my question is: can I change which cd/dvd-rom should be the primary? Right now I've got CD-ROM 1 and 2 as well as DVD-ROM and DVD-RW (which are the two that actually exist) |
| 13:45.24 | themill | ezguy: but make sure there's nothing shown in ps axf | grep firefox and ps axf | grep icewe |
| 13:45.27 | maxamillion | Ronin: that's more or less what i figured, and honestly the more i use it the more i like it .... just thought i would ask |
| 13:45.27 | ezguy | themill: yes, that is the lock file i removed. |
| 13:45.48 | en1gma | does anyone remember quake 3 and messing with its .cfg files? there used to be a website you could goto and it had drop down menus you could go through and then press create and it would make you a new config file? |
| 13:46.03 | en1gma | why isnt there something like that for linux and its kernel configs? |
| 13:46.27 | xand | that's called make menuconfig |
| 13:46.28 | liable | en1gma: there is, its called menuconfig :) |
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| 13:46.32 | ezguy | themilll: ps axf | grep firefox and ps axf | grep icew return nothing |
| 13:46.33 | neeewbi | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 13:46.37 | en1gma | no its not web based |
| 13:46.39 | themill | en1gma: or make xconfig |
| 13:46.43 | en1gma | and i already know make menuconfig |
| 13:46.49 | ezguy | themill: ps axf | grep firefox and ps axf | grep icew return nothing |
| 13:47.08 | themill | ezguy: ok, so if you run firefox from a terminal what happens |
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| 13:47.35 | en1gma | and its really not like make menuconfig....cause make menuconfig reads info off your system |
| 13:47.51 | en1gma | if it was a web based configurator it would be totally independent |
| 13:47.57 | liable | en1gma: why is it taking you so long to configure your kernel? whats the problem? |
| 13:47.59 | abrotman | neeewbi: huh ? |
| 13:48.02 | ezguy | themill: it said firefox already running... |
| 13:48.02 | hark | ezguy: does "iceweasel -no-remote -p" work? |
| 13:48.20 | neeewbi | abrotman: exatcly |
| 13:48.21 | en1gma | liable are you assuning again...because from what i can tell i am up and runing |
| 13:48.25 | abrotman | neeewbi: df -h |
| 13:48.29 | ezguy | hark: command not found |
| 13:48.35 | themill | en1gma: are you still trolling around your kernel config? (and take suggestions like that to lkml, I'm sure they'll be interested) |
| 13:48.36 | abrotman | hark is a command ? |
| 13:48.36 | liable | en1gma: i was simply asking |
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| 13:48.58 | en1gma | yea im already up and running and my .config is working fine |
| 13:48.58 | abrotman | liable: some things are best left unquestioned |
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| 13:49.01 | neeewbi | abrotman: what am i looking for |
| 13:49.08 | themill | en1gma: good news... back that sucker up! |
| 13:49.10 | abrotman | something that says "YOU FILLED UP!" |
| 13:49.18 | hark | ezguy: what debian version? |
| 13:49.24 | en1gma | but i am making a suggestion (even quake 3) had a nice site to goto to make .configs |
| 13:49.30 | ezguy | fc5 |
| 13:49.32 | en1gma | i am very surprised linux dont have it |
| 13:49.39 | abrotman | ezguy: how is fedora like debian ? |
| 13:49.43 | neeewbi | abrotman: sda1, tmpfs, udev, tmpfs that all udev = 100% |
| 13:49.48 | themill | ezguy: did you just say what I think you said? |
| 13:49.50 | abrotman | neeewbi: paste it somewhere |
| 13:49.58 | ezguy | yes |
| 13:50.02 | abrotman | ezguy: if you want help with fedroa .. go to #fedora |
| 13:50.11 | sbeasass | I have a question that i don't know where to ask. Each time i receive a CTCP version from freenode my cablemodem hangs and i have to restart it. |
| 13:50.18 | themill | ezguy: there's little we can do for non-debian problems. |
| 13:50.41 | abrotman | sbeasass: try connecting to freenode on 8001 ? |
| 13:50.53 | sbeasass | abrotman: ok, i'll try |
| 13:50.54 | DustyBin | ive created a dummmy chroot system, copying over all relevant files including /bin/bash but when i execute 'chroot /var/chroot' it says: |
| 13:50.59 | abrotman | sbeasass: or ask some staff guys .. or fix your cable modem |
| 13:51.00 | wols | sbeasass: what ctcp? the ctcp version one on login? |
| 13:51.07 | ezguy | are there any different running firefox on debian or fc? |
| 13:51.10 | sbeasass | wols: yes, that's one |
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| 13:51.18 | neeewbi | abrotman: http://pastebin.se/31149, dont get what this is good for ! |
| 13:51.29 | jelly | ezguy: for one thing, there is no firefox on Debian |
| 13:51.33 | jelly | ;-) |
| 13:51.36 | DustyBin | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory <-- /bin/bash IS in the chroot so why doesnt it work? |
| 13:51.37 | wols | sbeasass: ask in #freenode |
| 13:51.39 | Arafangion | jelly: Indeed. :) |
| 13:51.42 | sbeasass | I changed my cablemodem firmware and it is half functional |
| 13:51.42 | hark | ezguy: you can try substituting iceweasel there with firefox. |
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| 13:51.43 | themill | ezguy: yes, they are different versions, they are compiled differently with different options and different wrapper scripts. |
| 13:51.47 | wols | but imho, this is a bug in your cbale modem firmware |
| 13:51.50 | sbeasass | it have some important bugs |
| 13:51.54 | themill | hark: he's running fedora |
| 13:52.02 | sbeasass | one of them is the one related with ctcp version |
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| 13:52.22 | Arafangion | ezguy: You can upgrade Debian, and assume that the web browser still works, but you might not be able to do the same with fedora. ;) |
| 13:52.23 | jelly | DustyBin: are all the necessary libraries also in chroot? |
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| 13:52.31 | abrotman | sbeasass: okay .. but it's not really debian related |
| 13:52.37 | maikeru | Anyone know how to fix a problem where as the terminal thinks that a CD-ROM that doesn't even exist is needed to have xx-disc in it? Shorter version: any way to change which cd/dvd that is primary? |
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| 13:52.47 | ezguy | ok. |
| 13:53.01 | sbeasass | Yes, that's why i said that i didn't know where to ask :) |
| 13:53.07 | wols | maikeru: you don't make much sense there... what program? |
| 13:53.09 | ezguy | thanks. |
| 13:53.20 | DustyBin | what is the command what lists the libraries used for files? |
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| 13:53.22 | wols | sbeasass: I told you |
| 13:53.28 | themill | ezguy: np... #fedora might be more help for you with that problem. Good luck! |
| 13:53.32 | sbeasass | You did help me anyway :) |
| 13:53.40 | hark | themill: ok ;) |
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| 13:53.58 | aep | greetings |
| 13:54.03 | sbeasass | Will try what you both suggested me ;) |
| 13:54.08 | neeewbi | dpkg: !alsa |
| 13:54.14 | maikeru | wols: after a clean install of debian 4.0, it added 4 CD/DVD-roms. 2 that doesn't exist, 2 that are the ones I use. After doing some apt-get install it wanted to have the Debian DVD in "CD-ROM 1", which is one of those that doesn't exist. So can't move to the next steps :) Easier?=P |
| 13:54.21 | aep | wich is the package debian puts gnu make in? |
| 13:54.23 | themill | !tell neeewbi about msg the bot |
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| 13:55.19 | hark | aep: make :) |
| 13:55.28 | cyzie | anyone successfully setup thunderbird to read localhost email ? |
| 13:55.32 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know where to get mkstemp? |
| 13:55.37 | aep | duh that was easy |
| 13:55.39 | aep | thanks hark |
| 13:55.55 | themill | cyzie: lots of people |
| 13:55.59 | neeewbi | abrotman: I upgraded from testing to unstable and the sound went away |
| 13:56.19 | cyzie | themill, how ? i tried but cannot connect to localhost |
| 13:56.27 | wols | maikeru: "not exist" you mean virtual CDroms where you moutn a debian DVD? |
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| 13:56.43 | abrotman | neeewbi: i'm shocked |
| 13:56.47 | themill | cyzie: create a new account; "local account". |
| 13:56.51 | hark | aep: recommend installing build-essential |
| 13:56.52 | abrotman | !b-e aep |
| 13:56.52 | dpkg | aep: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 13:57.02 | aep | no i don't want that thanks |
| 13:57.03 | neeewbi | so am I so stop pretende to help me ! |
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| 13:57.25 | aep | is there a list where i can see into wich packages debian split a package? |
| 13:57.51 | neeewbi | abrotman: im desperate, kind hear the voide of my xxx movies. Its terrible ! |
| 13:57.55 | hark | /msg dpkg search |
| 13:57.56 | themill | aep: you can look at the source package on packages.debian.org |
| 13:58.04 | techbie | CharminTheMoose:do u mean mktemp ,then aptitude install |
| 13:58.08 | maikeru | wols: it seems debian added those virtual drives during the installation, no work of mine, and now wants me to insert the disc into that virtual one - but I do not have the image on any diskdrive |
| 13:58.10 | abrotman | neeewbi: you shouldn't have started using unstable .. that's your own idiotic fault |
| 13:58.16 | cyzie | themill, localaccount ? |
| 13:58.20 | aep | themill: thanks going to |
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| 13:58.42 | neeewbi | abrotman: hell yeah, I dont waana bee stuck in the 90's |
| 13:59.09 | themill | cyzie: sorry, they call it "Unix Mailspool" |
| 13:59.33 | abrotman | neeewbi: now you're stuck without sound .. good thinking |
| 14:00.03 | neeewbi | abrotman: well, I always find a way to fix it ... |
| 14:00.05 | sbeasass2 | did you say port 8080? |
| 14:00.10 | wols | maikeru: that is wrong. it doesn't add virtual drives at all. just edit your sources.list and only put http:// lines in there, no cdrom ones |
| 14:00.18 | abrotman | neeewbi: did you paste the output of df -h yet? |
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| 14:00.21 | wols | maikeru: you have ineternet so no need for the CDs/DVDs |
| 14:00.30 | neeewbi | abrotman: http://pastebin.se/31149, dont get what this is good for ! |
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| 14:01.20 | neeewbi | abrotman: im suspecting missing module thought |
| 14:01.30 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 14:02.16 | neeewbi | abrotman: but dont have a clue which im migh be missing ! |
| 14:02.28 | wols | neeewbi: this is a df output? that has what to do with sound? |
| 14:02.30 | abrotman | eh .. does anyone else have a /dev/ that has 0bytes free ? |
| 14:02.44 | abrotman | wols: said no room left to create device when he tried to do some alsa thingie |
| 14:02.49 | aep | themill: that's not very helpfull. well for example qt. on a normal distro i would just say "$packagemanager -install qt" or something. and i need to know what to do on debian. |
| 14:02.51 | wols | ah |
| 14:03.15 | sbeasass2 | ah, ok 8000 |
| 14:03.17 | themill | aep: for an abnormal version of normal ;) wtf? |
| 14:03.23 | scorn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.31 | maikeru | wols: I see. Though, both CD-ROM 1 & 2 are visible at the computer. But I'll edit my sources.list and stick with webpages instead. Thanks for your help :) |
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| 14:03.33 | aep | themill: eh whatever, so where can i see how debian mopdified the package? |
| 14:03.49 | themill | !wayttd aep |
| 14:03.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, aep? |
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| 14:03.52 | aep | like say "qt has been split into these packages" |
| 14:03.57 | abrotman | what distro does packagemanageer install qt ? |
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| 14:04.05 | wols | maikeru: apt expects you to put in the CDs/DVDs when it asks for them and then it will mount them on its own |
| 14:04.07 | abrotman | aep: apt-cache search libqt .. then aptitude install the one oyu want |
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| 14:04.11 | aep | i try to install qt and fcgi on the release machine |
| 14:04.13 | aep | wich is debian |
| 14:04.14 | neeewbi | wols: I know but this i what abrotman asked for ... I didnt get it either ! what do you want pasted |
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| 14:04.27 | abrotman | <neeewbi> abrotman: 8) no space on device |
| 14:04.31 | maikeru | wols: ah I see :) thanks *disappears into hiding* |
| 14:04.33 | abrotman | you told me that! |
| 14:04.36 | aep | abrotman: of course but how do i know wich i want? |
| 14:04.53 | wols | neeewbi: you don't have any free room in /dev. that is your problem. why you don't have any room in /dev is anyone's guess |
| 14:05.13 | aep | abrotman: for example i installed all packages wich qt in the name but qt still fails compiling anything. |
| 14:05.25 | aep | wich worked perfectly for the source package |
| 14:05.35 | wols | aep: dpkg -l |grep qt |grep dev |
| 14:05.37 | neeewbi | wols: so thats why no sound ? |
| 14:05.37 | themill | aep: for compilation, you will need -dev packages. |
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| 14:05.45 | aep | yes i installed them all |
| 14:06.01 | wols | aep: to compile stuff, you install the needed library and the appropriate -dev package which has the headers |
| 14:06.13 | aep | yes i think i got that concept |
| 14:06.15 | wols | aep: paste the output of that command |
| 14:06.19 | themill | aep: if you want our help, you're going to have to help us to help you. Specific error messages would be considered a reasonable thing for you to provide... |
| 14:06.32 | wols | aep: also, pastebin the output of your compiler run |
| 14:06.33 | aep | agreed, goog point |
| 14:06.58 | aep | aha the gcc package doesn't contain gcc |
| 14:07.00 | aep | interesting |
| 14:07.04 | wols | aep: chances are, the QT env variable is not set or such |
| 14:07.05 | aep | so what do i need to install for gcc? |
| 14:07.09 | themill | aep: that's why we told you to install build-essential. |
| 14:07.16 | aep | wols: the standard qt does not use this variable |
| 14:07.17 | wols | !tell aep about b-e |
| 14:07.29 | aep | nah |
| 14:07.32 | aep | it misses g++ |
| 14:07.44 | aep | so where do i find gcc? |
| 14:07.44 | themill | aep: [14:57] <aep> no i don't want that thanks |
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| 14:07.48 | abrotman | aep: tell us what you're trying to actually tod |
| 14:07.50 | abrotman | do |
| 14:07.51 | themill | !b-e ape |
| 14:07.52 | dpkg | ape: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 14:07.54 | themill | !b-e aep |
| 14:07.54 | dpkg | aep: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 14:07.54 | wols | b-e doesn't miss g++. and either you pastebin what we asked you, or you fuck off. good day |
| 14:07.56 | themill | bah! |
| 14:08.04 | aep | ok never mind, thanks |
| 14:08.10 | wols | aep: if you know everything better than us, what are you doing here? |
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| 14:08.15 | themill | aep: build-essential is named that way for a reason. |
| 14:08.27 | aep | i just want gcc |
| 14:08.33 | aep | not a whole shitload of stuff |
| 14:08.34 | CharminTheMoose | techbie, no i mean mkstemp |
| 14:08.34 | aep | just gcc |
| 14:08.46 | themill | CharminTheMoose: gnulib |
| 14:08.47 | wols | aep: apt-cache search gcc |grep gcc |
| 14:08.52 | aep | and i don't want what you preselct for me what you think i need |
| 14:08.56 | themill | !tell CharminTheMoose about search |
| 14:08.57 | snowbird | themill what is backports? |
| 14:09.01 | themill | CharminTheMoose: apt-file is your friend ;) |
| 14:09.03 | wols | aep: and gcc won't allow you to create a single binary fyi |
| 14:09.07 | abrotman | neeewbi: try changing the "tmpfs_size" in /etc/udev/udev.conf to like "15M" |
| 14:09.08 | aep | ah you use grep alot , hm good hint |
| 14:09.10 | abrotman | or somethig liek that |
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| 14:09.20 | klim_ | nick ezguy |
| 14:09.29 | aep | omg split into massive amounts fo packages |
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| 14:09.40 | aep | this is madness |
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| 14:09.55 | et | madness? THIS IS SPARTA! |
| 14:10.12 | aep | normaly i would just expect apt-get install gcc install what is in the gcc package |
| 14:10.15 | Hoxzer | :( Sparta is gone |
| 14:10.16 | themill | aep: what the fuck are you on? If you don't like it, then go use gentoo or something. We like fine-grained control over our packages here. It lets us have lean installs. |
| 14:10.32 | neeewbi | abrotman: thank you for the hint, do I need to restart for it ? |
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| 14:11.26 | neeewbi | abrotman: /etc/init.d/udev restart didnt change it to 15m |
| 14:11.34 | aep | ok i think i have to obey the debian way |
| 14:11.41 | aep | installing build essesntials |
| 14:12.10 | hark | aep: it's a metapackage. apt-cache depends gcc will tell you |
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| 14:12.40 | aep | ah thanks |
| 14:12.41 | ezguy_ | ok, finally i got firefox to lunch after i found and remove the .parentlock file. it taken half hour to just to be able to launch firefox ;( |
| 14:12.57 | aep | yeha that helped. now i fight with outdated packages. *sigh* |
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| 14:13.02 | themill | ezguy_: good to hear you're sorted out at least. |
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| 14:13.44 | Penix | omg. debain dosn't have gcc 5.99.9 lolz |
| 14:13.45 | ezguy_ | fyi, had to remove both the lock and .parentlock files also. |
| 14:13.45 | themill | aep: just a tip... you'll get more help if there is less insulting and less whinging... |
| 14:14.08 | aep | i know i know. it's not your fault i don't like the debian way |
| 14:14.12 | aep | it's forced upon me |
| 14:14.15 | aep | sorry |
| 14:14.30 | themill | aep: learn to love it.... you won't regret it. |
| 14:14.31 | liable | !irritate Penix |
| 14:14.31 | dpkg | Penix: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol lol |
| 14:14.38 | wols | a distro always is a kind of strucute. either you can stand it or not |
| 14:14.41 | abrotman | neeewbi: probably have to reboot the box |
| 14:14.45 | Penix | heh. lucky pick |
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| 14:15.06 | Penix | or maybe I thinking of annoy |
| 14:15.06 | aep | themill: nope heh. no way to convince me of it :P but i think i can laern to accept that you guys know your distro better and just do what you tell me |
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| 14:15.43 | wols | *structure |
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| 14:16.16 | chaoticflaws | Anyone up for a quick question? |
| 14:16.20 | aep | so any init script for Xvfb in debian? |
| 14:16.32 | Penix | chaoticflaws: you used it up already |
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| 14:16.34 | aep | or where does one add it to start at boot? |
| 14:17.15 | chaoticflaws | In Sources.list whats the diffrence between deb and deb-src? can you have more then one deb-src? |
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| 14:17.23 | Penix | chaoticflaws: src is for source packages |
| 14:17.24 | chaoticflaws | Penix: :'( |
| 14:17.29 | Penix | chaoticflaws: and yes |
| 14:17.59 | Penix | chaoticflaws: man sources.list |
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| 14:18.26 | LinuxHelp | How can I set the sharing mode of a file in a directory in a cifs mount? flock doesn't seem to have any effect over the network |
| 14:18.29 | chaoticflaws | Penix: Can having multiple deb-src's make things go boom? O! it has a man page.......:'( Sometimes I make myself so god dam sad. |
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| 14:18.41 | chaoticflaws | Penix: thanks anyways! |
| 14:18.51 | cafuego | !penixstike Penix |
| 14:18.59 | cafuego | oh damn |
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| 14:19.01 | Penix | hehe |
| 14:19.13 | Penix | meddling kids |
| 14:20.07 | dalias | linuxhelp, flock is a lame legacy bsdism; fcntl locks are the correct way to do locking |
| 14:20.18 | dalias | they should work over nfs but i have no idea about other network filesystems |
| 14:20.26 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I install openoffice 2.2 in debian lenny? |
| 14:21.01 | dalias | apt-get install openoffice.org will install whatever the current package is |
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| 14:21.16 | gonzaloaf | dalias, I want the 2.2 version |
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| 14:21.24 | Penix | I want a rocket |
| 14:21.35 | dalias | i think it is the 2.2 version... |
| 14:21.41 | dalias | i'm using sid and have 2.2 |
| 14:21.56 | gonzaloaf | dalias, you think wrong |
| 14:22.03 | dalias | ah :( |
| 14:22.07 | gonzaloaf | dont think |
| 14:22.11 | et | gonzaloaf: i am on lenny, and i do have 2.2 |
| 14:22.16 | Penix | he thinks right |
| 14:22.24 | dalias | lenny forked from sid recently, no? |
| 14:22.26 | Penix | or she... |
| 14:22.29 | gonzaloaf | et, i just have 2.0.4 in my repos |
| 14:22.33 | dalias | thus i expected them to have same version.. |
| 14:22.43 | Penix | gonzaloaf: you're using etch then |
| 14:22.52 | et | > aptitude show openoffice.org | grep Version |
| 14:22.52 | et | Version: 2.2.1-8 |
| 14:22.53 | gonzaloaf | Penix, I'm using lenny |
| 14:23.01 | aep | so. how would i start Xvfb on boot? |
| 14:23.03 | dalias | or mayb ehe just upgraded to lenny |
| 14:23.09 | Penix | gonzaloaf: well, you're using etch version OO packages then |
| 14:23.12 | dalias | after dist upgrade, ooo sometimes gets held back |
| 14:23.26 | gonzaloaf | lsb_release -r tells: "Description: Debian GNU/Linux testing (lenny)" |
| 14:23.30 | Penix | !info lenny openoffice.org |
| 14:23.38 | Penix | bah |
| 14:23.49 | Penix | !info openoffice.org testing |
| 14:23.53 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch1 (lenny), Packaged size: 210 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
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| 14:23.56 | Penix | wth |
| 14:23.59 | gonzaloaf | see? |
| 14:24.11 | et | http://packages.debian.org/testing/openoffice.org |
| 14:24.13 | Penix | p.d.o lists 2.2 |
| 14:24.15 | gonzaloaf | why dont you believe me? |
| 14:24.31 | Penix | gonzaloaf: because of what et said |
| 14:24.31 | et | gonzaloaf: because my system tells me your wrong, and packages.debian.org does also |
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| 14:25.10 | gonzaloaf | et, how did you get the packages? with apt? |
| 14:25.16 | Penix | gonzaloaf: don't spose you're using a sparcsation or something? heh |
| 14:25.26 | et | with aptitude, yes. |
| 14:25.34 | Penix | I should try that oneday |
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| 14:25.44 | wols | !tell aep about rc.local |
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| 14:26.17 | aep | aha so that's the debian way? ok thanks |
| 14:26.26 | aep | hm |
| 14:26.28 | aep | Fatal server error: |
| 14:26.28 | aep | could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 14:26.50 | gonzaloaf | it is weird, with synaptic I see OOo 2.0.4, now I did #aptitude install openoffice.org and it is downloading the upgrade to 2.2, very weird |
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| 14:26.54 | wols | !fixed |
| 14:26.54 | dpkg | fixed font is, like, if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
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| 14:27.14 | SleekSlacker | hello |
| 14:27.25 | aep | installking xorg on a server? oO |
| 14:27.25 | SleekSlacker | my hdd literally dropped off from it's latch |
| 14:27.29 | aep | ok the debian way i guess |
| 14:27.34 | SleekSlacker | to make it short, my FS is fscked |
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| 14:27.48 | Penix | aep: are you serious? |
| 14:27.48 | wols | aep: you want xvfn, so you better answer yourself |
| 14:27.59 | SleekSlacker | I tried running fsck.ext3, but it exits with "floating-point exception" |
| 14:28.09 | aep | xvfb is not a full X server, and yes i want that |
| 14:28.27 | wols | so what is xvfb then? |
| 14:28.36 | aep | a virtual x server with no output |
| 14:28.37 | wols | last I used it was to run X on a system without videocard |
| 14:28.38 | dalias | its a fake X server for debugging |
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| 14:28.43 | aep | used for buffer rendering |
| 14:28.46 | wols | officially it's for X development |
| 14:28.56 | aep | i use it for backbuffer rednering of fonts |
| 14:28.58 | dalias | but it can also be used for running apps that insist on having an X server present on headless machines |
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| 14:29.12 | aep | on my developmenet machine i just installed xvfb and it worked *shrug* |
| 14:29.21 | dalias | (perhaps some p2p clients? or windows apps under wine?) |
| 14:29.30 | aep | nah it's for font rednering |
| 14:29.42 | dalias | sounds like a bad solution for font rendering... |
| 14:29.43 | aep | the X11 font rendering is excelent so we use it instead of writing our own |
| 14:30.03 | dalias | X11 font rendering is horrible, not excellent.... |
| 14:30.16 | dalias | no one uses it in modern X apps; they use freetype client-side |
| 14:30.27 | Penix | teehee |
| 14:30.50 | dalias | the only thing X11 font engine is good for is accelerated bitmap font rendering |
| 14:30.55 | LinuxHelp | <dalias> oh goodness, I thought flock just called fcntl, but that is not the case, yeah it says on the net that flock doesn't work over nfs, but fcntl does. Looks like I'll be switching to fcntl to test then |
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| 14:30.57 | aep | i guess now i installed Xorg it gets started by default? any way to rpevent that? |
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| 14:31.05 | azeem | !nodm |
| 14:31.05 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 14:31.19 | aep | thanks |
| 14:31.46 | aep | maybe i can configure xdm to use Xvfb instead |
| 14:31.49 | dalias | linuxhelp, ya, flock is a competing bsd system for locking with worse semantics, no nfs support, and which was intentionally omitted from posix because fcntl is much better |
| 14:31.53 | aep | so i don't need a custom init script |
| 14:32.00 | aep | eww sounds horrible, never mind |
| 14:32.39 | SleekSlacker | please, any hint ? |
| 14:32.46 | dalias | aep, is there a reason you dont just use freetype yourself for font rendering? |
| 14:33.00 | Penix | SleekSlacker: crappy hardware? |
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| 14:33.02 | NicNac | how many monitos would it be possible to add to a computer? |
| 14:33.16 | aep | dalias: yep, becouse i would need to reimplement QPAinter |
| 14:33.17 | Penix | NicNac: depends how many video cards you're capable of running |
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| 14:33.22 | abrotman | htf does it drop off the latch ? |
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| 14:33.37 | Arafangion | abrotman: Insufficient duct tape, I reckon. :) |
| 14:33.51 | SleekSlacker | well.. it was my ignorance that led to my to-be-demise |
| 14:34.02 | NicNac | I have two at the mo on a matrox card i'm just wondering if you could add a pci gfx card and run another two |
| 14:34.03 | SleekSlacker | but the other filesystems are safe |
| 14:34.13 | SleekSlacker | so I'm guessing it's not a physical harm |
| 14:34.31 | SleekSlacker | and there is only a 1cm distance from the latch to the table |
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| 14:34.53 | SleekSlacker | ( it's a laptop, and the stupid me didn't decide to properly close the hdd slot ) |
| 14:35.17 | Penix | NicNac: unless there's an X limitation I'm unaware of, it should be possible as long as you're up for the (possible) hassle |
| 14:35.59 | NicNac | I'd try it just to see what it would look like |
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| 14:36.55 | Penix | NicNac: I remember seeing photos of some guy's insane windows flight sim multihead setup |
| 14:37.07 | Penix | must've been atleast 6-8 screens involved |
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| 14:37.42 | SleekSlacker | a projector would have proven to be a better choice imho |
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| 14:38.23 | SleekSlacker | so any reason why fsck.ext3 is crashing ? |
| 14:38.44 | Penix | SleekSlacker: lots |
| 14:39.40 | NicNac | Penix, thats crazy |
| 14:39.50 | GutterPunk | I want to automatically remove a database using a script. Mysqladmin warns me when I do this. How can I force it to do this automatically, maybe using the yes command? |
| 14:40.03 | NicNac | I already feel a bit overwhelmed with two 19inch screens |
| 14:40.34 | Penix | I've been tossing up between a new widescreen 20-22" or a couple of 17 or 19's |
| 14:40.44 | Penix | I liked having dual 17's a while back |
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| 14:41.47 | Penix | trying to reduce my power hungry setup though, so I guess dualhead doesn't help |
| 14:41.52 | NicNac | lol |
| 14:42.17 | NicNac | yea thats it go any more than two and the streetlights would start dimming hehe |
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| 14:42.37 | Penix | your wallet would probably start losing weight rapidly |
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| 14:43.16 | macsim | hi, is it possible to add a ddns notification in a shell script ? |
| 14:43.53 | macsim | I mean from a sheel script |
| 14:44.04 | karmatronic | sheel ? |
| 14:44.14 | macsim | karmatronic: shell ;) |
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| 14:44.27 | karmatronic | macsim: so yes you can |
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| 14:44.49 | macsim | karmatronic: what the software ? please |
| 14:45.11 | karmatronic | macsim: ezipupdate |
| 14:45.12 | liable | ddclient |
| 14:45.24 | macsim | thx a lot karmatronic and liable |
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| 14:47.16 | Rhoruns_ | arrghh how do you interrupt a wget retry??! it keeps retrying and it wont stop lol |
| 14:47.46 | brunto | liable, I try your idea but nothing always block at the start of installing base software |
| 14:47.49 | Rhoruns_ | nvm.. stopped at 20 |
| 14:47.50 | Rhoruns_ | lol |
| 14:47.59 | brunto | I don't know what to do |
| 14:48.37 | liable | brunto: hrm, do you get any more info from vt2 or 3 ? |
| 14:49.13 | brunto | no nothing |
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| 14:50.39 | brunto | liable, I don't know if I said you that I used the netinstall |
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| 14:51.41 | liable | brunto: and the cable was unplugged? |
| 14:52.10 | brunto | yes after |
| 14:52.30 | liable | after what? |
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| 14:52.43 | brunto | after dl base software |
| 14:53.08 | liable | no, unplug it before you boot |
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| 14:53.34 | jetscreamer | Rhoruns_: ctrl+c btw |
| 14:53.36 | brunto | oooooooo yes I just understand sorry I do it again :( |
| 14:53.42 | Rhoruns_ | lol cool |
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| 14:54.14 | Farhenheit | Hello everybody, I'm trying to setup a linksys wpc11 / pcmcia wifi card under sid, does anybody know which package I need to install (driver with module-assistant ?) |
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| 14:56.16 | abrotman | Farhenheit: do you know which chipset ? |
| 14:56.38 | en1gma | with the .config file that 'make menuconfig' generates when you click save...there are alot of "# commented out lines" that are "is not set" how can i delete all those lines at one time |
| 14:56.54 | themill | en1gma: man grep |
| 14:57.00 | themill | en1gma: but why would you? |
| 14:57.03 | Farhenheit | abrotman : I'm not sure, I think : http://z.cwriter.org/index.php/wifi/Cartes/billianton+WL300 |
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| 14:57.13 | en1gma | just to clean it up so when i read it its easier |
| 14:57.15 | Farhenheit | abrotman : sorry it's in french |
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| 14:57.28 | karmatronic | en1gma: cat .config | grep -v # |
| 14:57.31 | liable | en1gma: read the top of the file |
| 14:57.35 | Farhenheit | abrtoman : it said oronoca_cs |
| 14:57.39 | en1gma | thnx |
| 14:57.44 | Farhenheit | *oronoco_cs |
| 14:58.01 | abrotman | Farhenheit: orinoco |
| 14:58.29 | Farhenheit | abrotman : I will try with module-assistant |
| 14:58.37 | abrotman | you don't need m-a |
| 14:58.41 | abrotman | the driver is there already |
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| 14:59.03 | Farhenheit | with the debian kernel ? |
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| 14:59.08 | en1gma | router:/usr/src/linux-2.6.22.6# cat .config | grep -v # |
| 14:59.08 | en1gma | Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... |
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| 14:59.29 | xinming_ | Is there a command interface for update the services for this runlevel? |
| 14:59.45 | karmatronic | cat .config | grep -v '#' |
| 15:00.24 | buscon | Hi, how can I recover the partiton table of my disk? gpart give me no usable output... |
| 15:00.38 | liable | !uuoc karmatronic |
| 15:00.51 | wols | buscon: you can't. there is no backup for the MBR anywhere |
| 15:01.03 | karmatronic | en1gma: grep -v '#' .config |
| 15:01.17 | wols | liable: not his fault. tell it to en1gma |
| 15:01.32 | wols | oops. mea culpa. karmatronic was first |
| 15:01.32 | buscon | wols, I don't need my mbr, I'd just need my old partiton table |
| 15:01.46 | wols | buscon: the partition table is part of the MBR |
| 15:01.47 | en1gma | k trying now |
| 15:01.48 | liable | wols: why is it not his fault? |
| 15:02.13 | wols | liable: see the oops |
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| 15:02.29 | liable | wols: huh? i was talking about the cat |
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| 15:02.42 | en1gma | its a good thing i made a backup of my .config |
| 15:02.48 | en1gma | as that command didnt work |
| 15:02.51 | wols | buscon: do you know how the parttionable looked. e.g. how many partiotns at excactly what sizes there were? |
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| 15:03.15 | en1gma | im trying to remove any commented lines out of the .config file |
| 15:03.20 | themill | en1gma: time to learn something about shell quoting rules... and about not blindly typing in commands from irc, forums, email lists etc without understanding them a little. |
| 15:03.29 | wols | en1gma: the question is, why are there any in there? |
| 15:03.32 | themill | en1gma: BUT WHY!? |
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| 15:03.40 | buscon | wols, no, I just remember they were two partitons but not the exact size |
| 15:03.49 | wols | buscon: then you a SOL |
| 15:03.54 | wols | *are |
| 15:03.56 | en1gma | i told you before when you asked me that question...to make it easier to read |
| 15:04.03 | liable | ... |
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| 15:04.15 | en1gma | and im not the only one...im following a guide on the net and he dont have any listed either |
| 15:04.26 | karmatronic | en1gma: the command works fine for me :) |
| 15:04.27 | wols | themill: isn't better to NOT ask certain things? |
| 15:04.40 | en1gma | karmatronic im not sure about that last command...it just displays it all in my console window |
| 15:04.48 | en1gma | do i need to make it output to a new file? |
| 15:04.58 | themill | wols: too true. |
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| 15:05.20 | en1gma | wols always ready to degrade ppl right? |
| 15:05.25 | en1gma | themill too |
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| 15:05.35 | en1gma | the usual 2 trolls doing the things they do best |
| 15:05.38 | nowYY | hi |
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| 15:05.48 | nowYY | how can i solve the following problem: |
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| 15:05.51 | buscon | wols, sol ? |
| 15:05.57 | nowYY | ImportError: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: gzopen64 |
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| 15:06.10 | leOn | hi guys ... i've already asked on #grub, but no luck so far ... |
| 15:06.36 | wols | !sol |
| 15:06.37 | dpkg | i guess sol is Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
| 15:06.42 | themill | en1gma: I was going to tell you to read up about output redirection for bash. and even something like grep -v '#' .config > .config-new ... but maybe I won't bother... |
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| 15:06.42 | leOn | is there any way i can blacklist modules on grub, just like using the udev blacklist file ? |
| 15:06.46 | en1gma | everytime i try to do something i keep getting much attitude from wols and liable for sure...i will retake back themill |
| 15:06.56 | wols | leOn: what kind of modules? |
| 15:07.02 | brunto | liable, ok that seems to work I was unforgivable thx a lot |
| 15:07.08 | leOn | wols: intel_agp and agpgart |
| 15:07.13 | karmatronic | en1gma: grep -v '#' .config > .config2 ; cp .config2 .config |
| 15:07.17 | wols | !tlel leOn about blacklist |
| 15:07.18 | en1gma | themill i started typing my statement before i read your help in that last line |
| 15:07.33 | en1gma | thnx karma and themill |
| 15:07.38 | liable | brunto: cool, you will probably have to set up your network configuration manually now though |
| 15:07.42 | leOn | i have a machine with two graphic cards, on which i can't disable the onboard one on the bios |
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| 15:08.07 | leOn | !tell leOn about blacklist |
| 15:08.11 | brunto | liable, ok that is what i'm doing |
| 15:08.23 | maikeruu | Anyone got any ideas what's going on when my 2nd partition fails to mount? -> http://paste.debian.net/36212 (yes, I'm ashamed, it is a NTFS drive, using it temporarily) |
| 15:08.44 | liable | brunto: k, just as long as you know :) |
| 15:08.59 | en1gma | very nice that worked great |
| 15:09.00 | jelly | nowYY: which version of Debian do you have? Version of python used? |
| 15:09.22 | leOn | yes .. but these guidelines apply to an installed system, which isn't the case. I can't pass by the install boot. |
| 15:09.27 | wols | maikeruu: why can't you run "mount" for the partition |
| 15:09.33 | karmatronic | maikeruu: you re sure your windows partition is /dev/sda5 ? |
| 15:09.33 | brunto | liable, ;) no pb |
| 15:09.46 | leOn | i need to be able to boot off the CD |
| 15:09.50 | wols | leOn: why do you need graphical install? |
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| 15:10.18 | leOn | i don't, but i get a kernel panic while the module loads |
| 15:10.19 | maikeruu | well, I'm a newbie so using places -> computer -> right click -> mount on the partition named "213.3 GB Volume" =P |
| 15:10.22 | rocketmagnet | hi again, what's the default xdebug client for debian ? |
| 15:10.31 | wols | maikeruu: man mount |
| 15:10.38 | leOn | udev loads the intel_agp module automagically |
| 15:11.02 | en1gma | that cleans that .config file up very nice |
| 15:11.03 | wols | !tell leOn about custom cd |
| 15:11.33 | liable | leOn: expert mode will let yuou chose modules to load |
| 15:11.35 | LinuxHelp | <dalias> Yup, fcntl works fine over cifs |
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| 15:12.20 | leOn | ok .. my bad i guess ... this is not the right channel for this |
| 15:12.39 | leOn | it's not a debian install ... i'm trying out a linuxmce |
| 15:12.56 | liable | yes, wrong channel |
| 15:12.59 | leOn | just thought someone might have a clue about blacklisting modules on grub |
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| 15:13.44 | maikeruu | karmatronic, yes I am sure. disks manager tells me that :) |
| 15:14.00 | leOn | thanks anyway =) |
| 15:14.01 | en1gma | you know how packages have a dep tree that tells what other packages are required? is there an option to display what is also required in the kernel? |
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| 15:14.09 | pumpkin0 | what is the recommanded package to cut mpeg/avis in debian ? (simple linear cuts with recode) |
| 15:14.37 | karmatronic | en1gma: no , cos that depends on your particular hardware and needs |
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| 15:15.21 | en1gma | well the /networking/netowking options/ dont really |
| 15:15.24 | ick | I get "waiting for root file system...." and then nothing. |
| 15:15.29 | en1gma | it has to do with iptables |
| 15:15.50 | ick | I switched the IDE cables of my harddrives with those of the optimcal devices. |
| 15:16.06 | ick | I also switched the entries in /etc/fstab in the same way. |
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| 15:16.26 | ick | (and those in menu.lst) |
| 15:16.36 | ick | Question: what did I forget to do? |
| 15:16.49 | raphi | is it possible, to loose old data, because there was no space left?? |
| 15:17.05 | pumpkin0 | raphi: no. |
| 15:17.15 | raphi | I use ext3 on a lvm..... looks like all my mails are gone... and some settings also... |
| 15:17.27 | en1gma | does make-kpkg require those comments to be in the .config file for some reason? |
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| 15:17.58 | en1gma | when i run "make-kpkg clean ; VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg" it no longer creates the .deb in ../ |
| 15:18.08 | Rhoruns_ | does anyone know what the latest stable version of postgresql is??? |
| 15:18.17 | Rhoruns_ | is it 8.1 or 8.2?? |
| 15:18.22 | raphi | pumpkin0: I've copied some data using a samba FE (konqueror) and after a reboot just got my unconfigured desktop.... |
| 15:18.22 | azeem | Rhoruns_: check the postgresql website? |
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| 15:18.40 | pumpkin0 | raphi: so your ~/ dir is gone ? |
| 15:18.43 | liable | en1gma: i dont see where you told it to in that command |
| 15:18.46 | Rhoruns_ | well, i only see 8.1 in my package manager. and i want to make sure that it's the latest stable |
| 15:18.58 | azeem | Rhoruns_: why? |
| 15:19.08 | tribbin | Hello, is anybody aware of a repository containing CDE packages for Debian (etch)? |
| 15:19.10 | en1gma | liable this is the command i used 'grep -v '#' .config > .config2 ; cp .config2 .config ; rm .config2" |
| 15:19.11 | Rhoruns_ | if it's not, then im not in the mood to compile from source, etc... |
| 15:19.21 | azeem | tribbin: CDE as in the Common Desktop Environment? |
| 15:19.30 | raphi | pumpkin0: not the complete... the configuration of the X-Server persists, but the thunderbird's config&mails are gone |
| 15:19.31 | tribbin | azeem: Yes |
| 15:19.43 | azeem | Rhoruns_: why would you not be able to use 8.1? |
| 15:19.45 | liable | en1gma: whats .config got to do with it? you kpkg command didnt have an image switch to it |
| 15:20.05 | Rhoruns_ | i want to use 8.1 im just asking if it's good to use. |
| 15:20.15 | Rhoruns_ | some guy in another channelc omplained that i installed 7.4 |
| 15:20.15 | en1gma | make-kpkg reads the .config file to make the kernel.deb right? |
| 15:20.24 | azeem | Rhoruns_: if it's in Debian stable, it's good to use |
| 15:20.27 | pumpkin0 | raphi: the x-server configs are in /etc/, not /home |
| 15:20.27 | azeem | that's the point of Debian stable |
| 15:20.30 | Rhoruns_ | kk... |
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| 15:21.02 | en1gma | am i missing something maybe |
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| 15:21.20 | en1gma | i mean not "understanding" something maybe |
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| 15:22.26 | raphi | pumpkin0: ok... right. The desktop is still there, also the .virtualbox directory and about 50 other items which are still there... normally there were 100 I suppose |
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| 15:23.51 | xinming_ | anyone here please tell me if there is a program which can edit the services need to be auto started in debian. >_< |
| 15:24.08 | liable | !services |
| 15:24.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 15:24.10 | raphi | xinming_: sysvinit is it called... not sure |
| 15:24.48 | en1gma | wow those comments must need to be in cause that command is not generating the kernel.deb in ../ |
| 15:24.50 | pumpkin0 | raphi: umount the drive and fsck it. |
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| 15:25.08 | raphi | ok...... I'll try... will be back in 20 min I hope.... |
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| 15:25.34 | becks` | hi, in putty (newly installed debian server), when pressing the home button in the console, i only get this char: ~ - why is it? |
| 15:25.49 | en1gma | that is your home dir? |
| 15:26.08 | en1gma | ~ = home as far as i can tell |
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| 15:26.50 | becks` | well he just prints this character on the console.. but i want the cursor to move at home :) |
| 15:27.02 | en1gma | becks` i have putty installed and when i press "home" it dont do anything |
| 15:27.42 | becks` | it's so annoying |
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| 15:27.49 | thzsth | hi |
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| 15:29.03 | thzsth | is it possible to boot from debian netinstall into a shell and not into the installation? |
| 15:29.20 | liable | thzsth: yes it has a rescue mode |
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| 15:30.04 | thzsth | with rescue and rescue24 |
| 15:30.17 | nuxis | hey I can`t run dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver :s and I get an error while starting x yesterday it worked perfectly |
| 15:30.45 | thzsth | hm |
| 15:31.00 | mbroeker | nuxis, so what have you done today? |
| 15:31.03 | thzsth | he boot into the installation with rescue option |
| 15:31.13 | nuxis | mbroeker: start the computer O_o |
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| 15:31.39 | nuxis | xorg-xserver not installed but it is ... |
| 15:32.17 | karmatronic | nuxis: xserver-xorg |
| 15:32.23 | nuxis | ooooooow |
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| 15:32.38 | nuxis | tnx |
| 15:32.45 | thzsth | ok i have it |
| 15:32.50 | thzsth | thx |
| 15:33.13 | mbroeker | nuxis, after i upgraded today, many apt-* tools got an update... |
| 15:33.16 | DexterF | just noticed there's a 2.6.21 image - default is .18. does anything speak against upgrading? |
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| 15:33.38 | azeem | DexterF: 2.6.21 isn't in stable AFAIK |
| 15:34.00 | DexterF | not...? that's odd... I enabled a sid deb-src but no deb repos |
| 15:34.13 | karmatronic | DexterF: as long as you keep a copy of old kernel...go for it |
| 15:34.19 | azeem | DexterF: run apt-cache policy on it |
| 15:34.47 | DexterF | ah, it's from etch-backports |
| 15:34.58 | DexterF | could have guessed |
| 15:35.19 | maikeruu | Err.. when I've suddenly lost all permissions - can't even start terminal - are there any ways to fix that?=P |
| 15:35.37 | karmatronic | maikeruu: as root? |
| 15:35.44 | DexterF | hm. I've been on Slackware for ages, last time I used precompiled kernels there was around the millenium change. how closely tangled are debian and the kernel? |
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| 15:36.52 | jelly | DexterF: not very |
| 15:37.45 | gonzaloaf | is the same to put testing and lenny in sources.list ? |
| 15:37.59 | karmatronic | gonzaloaf: yes |
| 15:38.02 | pumpkin0 | maikeru: can you log in as root ? |
| 15:38.11 | jelly | gonzaloaf: today yes. After lenny becomes stable, no |
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| 15:38.19 | gonzaloaf | I just have changed testing for lenny and I realized that my repo shows me new pkgs |
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| 15:38.27 | maikeruu | pumpkin0, doubt it. can't access nething right now =P could try a reboot and log on from there though |
| 15:38.33 | karmatronic | pumpkin0: so for the 5 following years its fine :) |
| 15:38.40 | maikeruu | think I shouldn't have mounted the drive where I did ;) |
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| 15:39.30 | pumpkin0 | maikeru: as long as you did not put it into the fstab ... ? |
| 15:39.49 | maikeruu | no that I did not :) |
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| 15:40.42 | pumpkin0 | maikeru: reboot. |
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| 15:40.45 | DexterF | anyone happen to know which kernel first supported the realtek 8187 wifi chip? |
| 15:40.52 | maikeruu | pumpkin0, that I will! :) be right back |
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| 15:42.34 | mashuuk | Hi when network-manager-gnome will be back in debian ? |
| 15:42.43 | mashuuk | its missing for a long time |
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| 15:42.54 | mashuuk | I posted a bug report but i didnt receive any response |
| 15:43.06 | azeem | mashuuk: it's waiting for NEW processing |
| 15:43.08 | fastputty | does openvpn can cmmunicate with checkpoint vpn ? |
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| 15:43.35 | mashuuk | azeem, can I get not verifed deb somewhere ? |
| 15:43.43 | mashuuk | azeem, not offical one |
| 15:44.40 | BlackMagik | does anyone know the log file that stores kernel messages in debian? |
| 15:44.48 | azeem | mashuuk: get the old .deb from snapshot |
| 15:44.54 | pumpkin0 | BlackMagik: /var/log/dmesg ? |
| 15:45.00 | karmatronic | fastputty: no |
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| 15:45.46 | BlackMagik | pumpkin0: doesn't look like it |
| 15:46.08 | karmatronic | BlackMagik: /var/log/kern.log |
| 15:46.17 | pumpkin0 | BlackMagik: what are you searching for ? |
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| 15:46.57 | raphi | pumpkin0: It didn't work with fsck... still got not all files... nothing to find in the 'lost+found' folder. other suggestions? |
| 15:46.59 | BlackMagik | pumpkin0: i'm looking for the output of a system call |
| 15:47.14 | BlackMagik | karmatronic: i checked there but i didn't see anything recent |
| 15:47.29 | azeem | BlackMagik: why do you think the output get logged? |
| 15:47.54 | pumpkin0 | raphi: what could have delete thes files ? a runaway rm * ? |
| 15:47.54 | karmatronic | BlackMagik: outptut gets logged there depending on /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 15:48.36 | raphi | pumpkin0: I really don't know.... I'll have a look at my bash_history. maybe I was wasted :-D |
| 15:48.37 | BlackMagik | well i'm doing a printk(KERN_EMERG "hello world"), where should I expect it? |
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| 15:49.24 | azeem | BlackMagik: that depends on your kern.log settings, but probably console |
| 15:49.57 | BlackMagik | azeem: i'll look into the settings cuz it's not on the console |
| 15:50.09 | mashuuk | azeem, tried that |
| 15:50.15 | karmatronic | BlackMagik: should be in dmesg |
| 15:50.21 | mashuuk | azeem, but looks like package doesnt exist in snapshot |
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| 15:50.32 | azeem | mashuuk: it's part of network-manage |
| 15:50.33 | azeem | r |
| 15:50.37 | azeem | well, was part |
| 15:50.44 | karmatronic | !syslog |
| 15:50.44 | dpkg | somebody said syslog was the unix facility for logging the messages that programs produce. |
| 15:50.53 | mashuuk | azeem, its in diffrent package |
| 15:51.08 | azeem | mashuuk: are you running unstable? |
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| 15:51.11 | BlackMagik | karmatronic: i didn't see it in dmesg |
| 15:51.12 | frojnd | hello there |
| 15:51.14 | mashuuk | azeem, yes |
| 15:51.14 | frojnd | I have a Q. |
| 15:51.24 | karmatronic | BlackMagik: check /etc/syslog.conf |
| 15:51.25 | frojnd | How can I reconfigure keyboard mouse and monitor settings ? |
| 15:51.28 | azeem | mashuuk: well, just wait a few days till it gets into unstable then |
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| 15:51.36 | azeem | mashuuk: if you don't like that, run testing |
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| 15:51.49 | frojnd | I wanna to be rocginzed AGAIN (monitor, mouse and keyboard) how can I do this? |
| 15:52.12 | mashuuk | azeem, I am just bored running everytime wpa_supplicant from cmd line.. |
| 15:52.24 | azeem | mashuuk: *shrug* |
| 15:52.25 | BlackMagik | karmatronic: dmesg isn't in there |
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| 15:53.18 | karmatronic | BlackMagik: in this file , you ll tell wheter a certain type of log (emergency for instance )is logget or not |
| 15:53.18 | karmatronic | logged |
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| 15:53.18 | BlackMagik | karmatronic: but it should go to the catch-all if it's not defined right? |
| 15:53.18 | mashuuk | azeem, ok I was wondering whats going on with it.. its a long time since package is gone. but its a good new that its going to be uploaded |
| 15:53.19 | aarcane | !package nfs |
| 15:53.19 | aarcane | !apt-search nfs |
| 15:53.23 | aarcane | does anyone know the package name for nfs tools ? |
| 15:53.25 | azeem | aarcane: please /msg the bot |
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| 15:53.34 | karmatronic | BlackMagik: no , in that case , it just doesnt print anywhere |
| 15:53.34 | azeem | nfs-utils I think |
| 15:53.36 | aarcane | azeem, I don't even know who the bot is :( |
| 15:53.47 | en1gmaa | if i try to make a new kernel.deb and the /usr/src/linux/.config is the same as the /boot/.config will it still create a new kernel.deb in ../ |
| 15:53.48 | BlackMagik | karmatronic: ahh, i see |
| 15:53.56 | azeem | aarcane: then read the /topic |
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| 15:54.21 | karmatronic | BlackMagik: search a *.emerg line in that file |
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| 15:54.35 | BlackMagik | karmatronic: yea i found that line |
| 15:54.44 | en1gmaa | for some reason whenever i try to make a new kernel.deb it is not making one anymore |
| 15:54.55 | aarcane | the bot doesn't know eithe r:( |
| 15:55.11 | azeem | aarcane: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:55.21 | en1gmaa | can someone tell me why |
| 15:55.22 | BlackMagik | karmatronic: before i try it again, would *.emerg /var/log/messages do the trick? |
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| 15:55.35 | karmatronic | BlackMagik: yes i think so |
| 15:55.42 | obsethryl | hmm anyone of the alioth team in here please? |
| 15:55.59 | obsethryl | I would like to ask something related to mercurial vcs support on alioth |
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| 15:56.30 | en1gmaa | karma that first command you gave me to get rid of the #s in the .config (only displayed it in the console) could have that did something so it dont create a new kernel.deb anymore? |
| 15:56.47 | karmatronic | en1gmaa: dont think so... |
| 15:57.12 | en1gmaa | i dont think so either but for some reason it wont make a new kernel.deb in ../ |
| 15:57.36 | en1gmaa | maybe i have to change something in the .config file so it will create a new kernel.deb |
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| 15:57.40 | en1gmaa | let me try it |
| 15:58.17 | themill | en1gmaa: you did read the bit at the top of the .config that says "don't edit", didn't you? |
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| 15:58.49 | raphi | can somebody tell me a tool to recover files on a ext3? |
| 15:59.20 | BlackMagik | karmatronic: no luck |
| 15:59.21 | SpeedyG | how many disks can you connect to a single SATA connection? just one? |
| 15:59.25 | liable | en1gmaa: the command you gave before didnt have kernel_image in it... |
| 15:59.31 | en1gmaa | yea but those were just comments |
| 15:59.35 | liable | i tried to tell you twice already |
| 15:59.56 | en1gmaa | let me look at that command i have it copied in a text file |
| 15:59.57 | en1gmaa | 1 sec |
| 16:00.31 | en1gmaa | this is the command i always used "make-kpkg clean ; VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg" |
| 16:00.49 | en1gmaa | i dont need an initrd so i dont add it |
| 16:01.36 | en1gmaa | is the bot working? |
| 16:01.40 | en1gmaa | !mantra |
| 16:01.41 | azeem | !hi |
| 16:01.41 | dpkg | hello, azeem |
| 16:01.48 | themill | en1gmaa: man make-kpkg... what target are you asking make-kpkg to make? |
| 16:02.07 | azeem | en1gmaa: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 16:02.16 | en1gmaa | thats just copied from the mantra less the --version stuff |
| 16:02.23 | liable | you havent told it to make an image! |
| 16:02.32 | liable | how many times do you need to be told? |
| 16:02.52 | karmatronic | liable: be cool |
| 16:02.54 | themill | en1gmaa: and "don't edit" means "don't edit" not "but those were just comments". Don't assume things. |
| 16:02.55 | en1gmaa | well i just followed the command and it always worked before |
| 16:03.00 | themill | bollox |
| 16:03.13 | liable | en1gmaa: no, it would never work as that |
| 16:03.14 | en1gmaa | here is the original mantra return "make-kpkg clean ; VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image modules_image |
| 16:03.14 | en1gmaa | Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 16:03.25 | azeem | en1gmaa: dude, we know |
| 16:03.31 | themill | en1gmaa: kernel_image modules_image |
| 16:03.48 | en1gmaa | let me relook 1 sec |
| 16:04.47 | wols | themill: binary-arch. makes everything you usually need (image and headers) |
| 16:05.00 | raphi | can noone tell me a tool to recover files on a ext3? |
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| 16:05.10 | wols | !undelete |
| 16:05.10 | dpkg | hmm... undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems. |
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| 16:05.53 | en1gmaa | wols your right i never had to add kernel-image before |
| 16:06.00 | en1gmaa | i dont know whats going on now |
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| 16:06.32 | wols | en1gmaa: s/, ever/now |
| 16:07.33 | themill | wols: I'm not seeing any target in that make-kpkg command though and the docs don't list a default target that I can see, |
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| 16:07.33 | liable | it doent have a default target |
| 16:07.33 | wols | themill: you're right |
| 16:07.33 | liable | if you dont give it a target, it doesnt make one |
| 16:07.33 | en1gmaa | it has been all this time |
| 16:07.34 | wols | en1gmaa: BS |
| 16:07.52 | en1gmaa | that exact mantra result is exactly what i build with everytime |
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| 16:08.02 | en1gmaa | less the version stuff |
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| 16:08.12 | liable | ffs |
| 16:08.13 | azeem | en1gmaa: please stop that. |
| 16:08.15 | cahoot | why not simply test the advice given? |
| 16:08.24 | themill | although it can be configured through ~/.kernel-pkg.conf or /etc/kernel-pkg.conf, I'm guessing that's unlikely. |
| 16:08.25 | en1gmaa | well i have no doubt that it will work |
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| 16:08.37 | en1gmaa | im just saying why all of a sudden has it changed |
| 16:08.40 | azeem | en1gmaa: if you don't know how to adopt the kp mantra to your needs, you shouldn't build kernels |
| 16:08.50 | sarixe | !vlc |
| 16:08.50 | dpkg | from memory, vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
| 16:08.51 | azeem | en1gmaa: it hasn't, and discussing this is off-topic here |
| 16:09.01 | en1gmaa | azeem havent you read...i made prob at least 50 kernels now all of sudden it stopped working |
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| 16:09.10 | en1gmaa | you all know i have been building kernels here |
| 16:09.15 | azeem | en1gmaa: haven't you read, you're mistaken |
| 16:09.25 | azeem | en1gmaa: so drop it now or you'll be silenced |
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| 16:09.29 | liable | en1gmaa: bullshit, you fucked up when you pasted whatever command you did into that file |
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| 16:10.03 | en1gmaa | i pasted the mantra command (complete) then made a new command in there less the --version stuff |
| 16:10.03 | rabbit | I want to play games like quake and alien arena |
| 16:10.13 | en1gmaa | i might have accidently edited it ill look 1 sec |
| 16:10.17 | rabbit | is there apt-get packages for quake and alien arena? |
| 16:10.22 | azeem | en1gmaa: which part of "drop it" did you not understand? |
| 16:10.32 | rabbit | i am new to debian and don't know how to install these games - quake and alien arena, please help |
| 16:10.42 | azeem | rabbit: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:10.48 | richd | does anyone know about getting madwifi working on usb, or do I still need to use ndiswrapper? (woot.com features the product) |
| 16:10.49 | azeem | !info openarena |
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| 16:10.55 | dpkg | openarena: (A fast-paced 3D first-person shooter), section games, is optional. Version: 0.7.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 691 kB, Installed size: 1580 kB |
| 16:10.57 | frojnd | WHAT's the difference modprobe via-agp; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?? please |
| 16:11.05 | liable | richd: madwifi doesnt support usb devices |
| 16:11.31 | richd | liable: ok, I knew it didnt, but the last i knew was about a year ago |
| 16:11.42 | rabbit | # !info openarena |
| 16:11.43 | rabbit | bash: !info: event not found |
| 16:12.06 | liable | richd: some chips are supported by the zd1211rw driver though |
| 16:13.06 | richd | liable: is that driver in the madwifi one or is it a different driver? |
| 16:13.15 | azeem | rabbit: read the basic Debian documentation on how to install packages, or run "synaptic" as root |
| 16:13.28 | liable | richd: completely different. its hosted on sourceforge |
| 16:13.34 | rabbit | azeem, i have already found quake2 and installing it :-) thanks |
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| 16:13.47 | richd | liable: ok, will check it out |
| 16:13.53 | richd | liable: thanks a ton |
| 16:13.55 | TbbW | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/09/04/nopopo/ <- cant w8 until they run windows based laptops with this... i allways wanted to piss on one to make it work better XD |
| 16:14.06 | liable | richd: np, hope it works for ya |
| 16:15.11 | rabbit | loading oss sound output driver, ok |
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| 16:15.29 | rabbit | .. /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 16:15.33 | sarixe | so... how do i get vlc in lenny? |
| 16:15.37 | rabbit | SNDDMA_Init: Could not open /dev/dsp. |
| 16:15.43 | sarixe | i can't seem to find any lenny vlc |
| 16:15.44 | rabbit | what may be the problem with /dev/dsp? |
| 16:15.48 | rabbit | what should i do? |
| 16:16.04 | sarixe | close other applications that are using sound |
| 16:16.22 | rabbit | but i don't think anything else is using sound |
| 16:16.36 | rabbit | well gmail chat does a ding ding when a message arives |
| 16:16.39 | rabbit | arrives* |
| 16:16.42 | rabbit | can that be a problem? |
| 16:16.50 | sarixe | yes |
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| 16:17.17 | rabbit | awww!! debian can not let multiple software share the sound. awww!!! |
| 16:17.27 | sarixe | what other program is it? |
| 16:17.32 | sarixe | and why are you using OSS? use alsa. |
| 16:17.41 | azeem | rabbit: that has nothing to do with Debian |
| 16:17.44 | karmatronic | rabbit: thats not a debian problem |
| 16:18.05 | rabbit | how can i switch to alsa? |
| 16:18.13 | rabbit | dpkg-reconfigure alsa? |
| 16:18.18 | sarixe | eh |
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| 16:18.23 | sarixe | it's an application-level setting |
| 16:18.44 | rabbit | from where can i do that? |
| 16:18.57 | rabbit | i tried running /usr/games/quake2 when this problem arised |
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| 16:19.17 | rabbit | but my other applications requiring sound run well except quake2 |
| 16:19.24 | rabbit | mode changed to +l meaning? |
| 16:19.40 | en1gmaa | azeem do i need to goto another channel to ask help with deb make kpkg? as i need to compile this kernel as its not set. |
| 16:20.04 | themill | en1gmaa: we keep giving you advice, you keep ignoring it. |
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| 16:20.26 | en1gmaa | i can only ask azeem until he lets me know |
| 16:20.33 | sarixe | anyone have advice getting vlc in lenny? |
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| 16:20.56 | liable | sarixe: its been missing for some time |
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| 16:21.08 | liable | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 16:21.08 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 16:21.12 | liable | sarixe: ^^ |
| 16:21.13 | azeem | en1gmaa: I said you should stop argueing that your broken command-line has worked in the past |
| 16:21.18 | sarixe | liable : thanks |
| 16:21.30 | azeem | I didn't say "stop using kp mantra" |
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| 16:21.52 | sarixe | why does the mips compile affect the x86 compile? |
| 16:21.56 | liable | i wish you did |
| 16:22.04 | maxdoubt | what's the best tool for a newb to create deb packages? |
| 16:22.08 | en1gmaa | ok and thnx for the people that are telling me the work around but im just trying to get back to the way it was working...let me do some reading and see if i can get this to work the way it was |
| 16:22.15 | azeem | sarixe: because versions in testing must be the same across different arches |
| 16:22.21 | sarixe | ah |
| 16:22.24 | themill | en1gmaa: btw, why are you trying to recompile your kernel? You told us about 6 hours ago that it was all fixed and you were working ok. |
| 16:22.39 | azeem | en1gmaa: the current kp mantra doesn't even include the initrd, why don't you just use that? |
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| 16:22.49 | sarixe | so then... i can just compile it on x86, right? |
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| 16:23.07 | liable | sarixe: yes |
| 16:23.10 | en1gmaa | azeem im trying to get the mantra to come up right now...let me see if i got the command to make it list it to me |
| 16:23.11 | sarixe | k |
| 16:23.21 | azeem | en1gmaa: eh? |
| 16:23.22 | rabbit | i want to check whether a particular package 'foo' is installed on my debian. |
| 16:23.24 | en1gmaa | got it |
| 16:23.25 | azeem | en1gmaa: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 16:23.30 | rabbit | what is the command i should give? |
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| 16:23.40 | azeem | rabbit: dpkg -l foo |
| 16:24.07 | en1gmaa | thnx |
| 16:24.08 | BlackMagik | if i call my helloworld system call in my program and i run strace -c ./prog should i see helloworld or ipc_subcall? |
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| 16:24.35 | azeem | BlackMagik: ask in a kernel-related channel |
| 16:24.39 | gonzaloaf | hi, why when somebody is downloading a file for more than 1 hour its connection expires? (i use apache2) |
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| 16:26.11 | rabbit | why are debian package commands revolve around two different commands, apt-get and dpkg? |
| 16:26.23 | nachox | guys, is there a way to tell alien to generate packages for i386 in an amd64 box? i get dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386) |
| 16:26.28 | rabbit | if I install something using apt-get, why can't I check its status and remove it using apt-get itself? |
| 16:27.18 | liable | rabbit: you can remove it, and you can check its status with apt-cache show foo |
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| 16:27.24 | sha | rabbit, see apt-get as a comfortable way to use dpkg |
| 16:27.29 | gonzaloaf | rabbit, to remove apt-get remove <pkg> |
| 16:27.36 | rabbit | ok |
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| 16:28.01 | juso | wen I do a apt-get install, it seems to hang on connectting to ftp.us.debian.org, is the ftp site getting slammer or down? I got thru once, just really slow! |
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| 16:28.23 | S4nD3r | how to get a list of softwares installeds in machine?? |
| 16:28.30 | azeem | juso: try again, there is more than one server behind ftp.us.debian.org, maybe one of them is down |
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| 16:28.37 | azeem | S4nD3r: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 16:28.39 | themill | S4nD3r: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 16:29.45 | rabbit | in the output of dpkg-l there are other beginnings like rc, ri, etc. |
| 16:29.47 | rabbit | what do they mean? |
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| 16:30.14 | wols | it denotes if it's been installed or not, removed or never installed, etc |
| 16:30.20 | azeem | rabbit: man dpkg |
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| 16:30.23 | themill | rabbit: have a look at the first 3 lines of output |
| 16:30.26 | predder | look up the top of the list for a guide rabbit |
| 16:30.26 | wols | for both, program and config files |
| 16:30.49 | rabbit | yes, got it, thanks |
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| 16:32.22 | S4nD3r | How to have a list of installed packages, to install in another computer? |
| 16:32.44 | themill | S4nD3r: if you used dpkg --get-selections then dpkg --set-selections |
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| 16:33.15 | themill | !tell S4nD3r about debian clone |
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| 16:35.11 | ricardo | hi guys I had a tremendous amount of help from here the other day and we nearly configured my wireless card but Im still having trouble. here is my post explaining my problem. id really appreciate help solving this problem. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showpost.php?p=2880927&postcount=5 |
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| 16:36.16 | phlux | !xchat-gnome |
| 16:36.24 | azeem | ricardo: what do you mean with "join"? |
| 16:36.57 | azeem | ricardo: is this a WPA-secured network? |
| 16:37.07 | themill | associate? |
| 16:37.17 | ricardo | azeem in my network icon top right of desktop i can select join network. |
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| 16:37.26 | themill | Encryption key: off |
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| 16:37.35 | ricardo | azeem not secured |
| 16:37.37 | liable | ricardo: at the cafe? |
| 16:37.42 | ricardo | yeah |
| 16:37.49 | azeem | ricardo: MAC address filtered? |
| 16:37.53 | ricardo | not the same one a wifi zone cafe |
| 16:37.55 | liable | ricardo: i saw your pings, they were good |
| 16:37.59 | themill | it's an ipw3945 isn't it? |
| 16:38.01 | pumpkin0 | Any good tutorials on software RAID under Etch ? |
| 16:38.02 | azeem | ricardo: do you have control over the access point? |
| 16:38.18 | ricardo | themill yes |
| 16:38.32 | themill | liable: I think we're up to the wireless now the wired is working and the ipw3945 modules are loaded. |
| 16:38.37 | ricardo | liable so i was close with ethernet but we change tac |
| 16:38.45 | liable | themill: ah |
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| 16:39.15 | ricardo | azeem i dont think so . |
| 16:39.15 | azeem | ricardo: do you have control over the access point? |
| 16:39.17 | themill | with ipw3945 I'd be tempted just to use network-manager-kde. It's a doddle to get working then |
| 16:39.36 | azeem | ricardo: what happens if you run "dhclient eth2" as root? |
| 16:39.46 | liable | i would be more tempted to kill all the gui things |
| 16:39.46 | azeem | after you're connected to the WLAN of course |
| 16:40.04 | azeem | btw, you got an ipv6 address |
| 16:40.07 | themill | liable: very true. but getting wep keys right is a pita |
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| 16:40.48 | themill | liable: I gave up on wpa_supplicant etc when the config file format and location changed again on me. |
| 16:40.56 | ricardo | ok i can do these things as you tell me as i dont have any other computers to work from. im in my xp dual boot at the moment. |
| 16:41.14 | robboplus | is there a chance of forcing re-read of the partition table without reboot? |
| 16:41.19 | jbevren | How do I remove a package from the list of packages to be installed? I'm attempting to remove libc6 from this list because it now requires linux 2.6, but linux 2.6 doesnt support my touchscreen |
| 16:41.25 | azeem | ricardo: so to get this right: your access point is an internet cafe which just lets everybody use it? |
| 16:41.29 | themill | liable: and you're right, kwifimanager is horrible and should die. |
| 16:41.43 | jbevren | the_lalelu: I agree :) |
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| 16:41.46 | zinx | jbevren: your touchscreen doesn't support linux 2.6? i'd complain to them |
| 16:41.47 | jbevren | themill: ^ |
| 16:41.48 | azeem | jbevren: you can't |
| 16:41.49 | robboplus | WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy. |
| 16:41.49 | robboplus | The kernel still uses the old table. |
| 16:41.52 | ricardo | ill try dhclent eth2 and netwrok manager kde. brb |
| 16:41.55 | jbevren | azeem: wtf :( |
| 16:41.58 | robboplus | any hope for that? i can't afford a reboot now |
| 16:42.00 | hark | jbevren: ha |
| 16:42.00 | azeem | jbevren: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 16:42.06 | jbevren | unstable |
| 16:42.09 | liable | themill: oh, i dont think that so much, i just wouldnt be using these things untill you are sure the cards is working well |
| 16:42.12 | jbevren | I guess I have to reinstall eh? |
| 16:42.13 | azeem | jbevren: unstable doesn't support 2.4 |
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| 16:42.19 | jbevren | this sucks hehe |
| 16:42.23 | zinx | jbevren: what touchscreen? |
| 16:42.26 | jbevren | got a recommendation like oldstable perhaps? |
| 16:42.27 | ricardo | azeem yes |
| 16:42.29 | azeem | jbevren: or install the etch 2.6 kernel |
| 16:42.33 | jbevren | zinx: Fujitsu B142 |
| 16:42.41 | azeem | jbevren: and then upgrade libc6 and then upgrade to the unstable 2.6 kernel |
| 16:42.49 | jbevren | the problem is, 2.6 doesnt provide a direct psaux layer |
| 16:42.53 | ricardo | azeem an internet cafe that lets everybody use it |
| 16:42.55 | jbevren | so my TS driver cant set the TS to absolute mode |
| 16:42.58 | hark | ricardo: i see you finally did manage to reinstall linux-image ;) |
| 16:43.14 | themill | liable: network-manager-kde is slick; kwifimanager is horrible. The gui stuff is pretty hard to debug when it's not working, but ipw* generally just works and it's easy. |
| 16:43.16 | azeem | jbevren: then it's either your touchscreen, or never upgrading again |
| 16:43.16 | jbevren | in 2.6 it behaves like a 10" touchpad :X |
| 16:43.28 | ricardo | yeah wyzard took me through it veRY patiently. |
| 16:43.31 | jbevren | azeem: Never upgrade it is :( thanks :) |
| 16:43.43 | jbevren | does oldstable like 2.4? |
| 16:43.47 | liable | themill: i know, i have a 3945 card :) |
| 16:43.47 | azeem | oldstable? |
| 16:43.57 | azeem | stable still supports 2.4, if you know how to do it |
| 16:44.01 | jbevren | nod, there's stable, oldstable, testing, unstable |
| 16:44.06 | zinx | jbevren: then it could likely be supported |
| 16:44.07 | jbevren | azeem: okies |
| 16:44.10 | themill | liable: yes, I know |
| 16:44.20 | zinx | jbev: xserver-xorg-input-evtouch |
| 16:44.45 | jbevren | zinx: does that work with the B142? the problem is, the driver needs to send commands out the psaux port |
| 16:45.00 | jbevren | the device is in relative mode on poweron (much like a touchpad) |
| 16:45.15 | zinx | jbevren: and here's the configuration on this page somewhere: http://homepage.sunrise.ch/mysunrise/joerg.hau/linux/b142.htm |
| 16:45.42 | zinx | although that uses a different driver, oops :x |
| 16:45.46 | liable | ricardo: so does iwconfig show it as associated? |
| 16:46.02 | jbevren | if it works with my TS, I'll be happy :) |
| 16:46.06 | zinx | anyway, evtouch should work |
| 16:46.13 | zinx | jbevren: lbtouch looks outdated and unmaintained |
| 16:46.22 | ezguy_ | how can i do a relpy-all with mutt? |
| 16:46.30 | zinx | jbevren: check /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-evtouch/* |
| 16:46.33 | azeem | ezguy_: read the manual, "group reply" |
| 16:46.37 | themill | liable: associated but no wep key |
| 16:46.37 | zinx | jbevren: it should give you some hints for configuring it |
| 16:47.10 | liable | themill: most cafe's do open access but make you login via web browser |
| 16:47.11 | jbevren | zinx: Hm I'll have to try this |
| 16:47.13 | jbevren | cool links |
| 16:47.22 | jbevren | now to unbreak my 2.6 image install :) |
| 16:47.24 | juso | everytime I install a pkg, it tried to upate webmin, could I disable this somehow, anyone know? |
| 16:47.30 | jbevren | I'd really like to use 2.6 |
| 16:47.34 | mbroeker | adept manager ( kde frontend for apt-get ) cannot handle deb files with user interaction: for example, i want to install sun-jdk-6 and the eula must accepted. to solve this problem, i need to change the default window class for apt-get interaction. from dialog to qt maybe. any ideas? |
| 16:47.42 | themill | liable: an awful lot have the password of the day written up on a chalk board next to the menu too :) |
| 16:47.59 | liable | themill: heh, never seen that myself :) |
| 16:48.13 | liable | anyway, he decided to bail |
| 16:48.14 | mbroeker | i know, that there is a programme, but i dont know how it works |
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| 16:49.08 | hark | mbroeker: debconf |
| 16:49.28 | liable | if this is the same cafe, the ethernet didnt give out leases, i guess the wireless doesnt either |
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| 16:51.12 | themill | mbroeker: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 16:51.52 | mbroeker | themill, yes thats it, thanks |
| 16:52.13 | robboplus | how do you tell fdisk to use MB or GB instead of cylinders when creating a partition? i can't figure out how to make exactly 15GB one |
| 16:52.34 | liable | use cfdisk :) |
| 16:52.50 | robboplus | hm.. |
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| 16:53.07 | DustyBin | ive setup a chroot jail for sftp, but when i try and log into it via sftp it doesnt work and my auth.log says 'PAM-env[3536]: Unable to open config file: No such file or directory' but i cannot figure out what config file it cannot open |
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| 16:53.15 | robboplus | liable oh wow ;) thank you |
| 16:53.35 | liable | robboplus: yw |
| 16:53.57 | robboplus | can't be easier now :) |
| 16:54.05 | joga | hello, I'm trying to install madwifi on etch, I entered m-a prepare, but have trouble with kernel headers and 404: http://www.pastebin.ca/681165 |
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| 16:54.44 | joga | I tried the us mirror also, and ran apt-get update. is there something I could do to fix the url? |
| 16:54.49 | hark | joga: 2.6.18-5 is the new kernel |
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| 16:56.13 | joga | hark hmm, so I just need to update to that? |
| 16:56.15 | themill | joga: you need to aptitude update && aptitude upgrade first |
| 16:56.23 | joga | ok then |
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| 16:56.29 | hark | joga: yes, it's a security update |
| 16:56.31 | joga | was about to do upgrade anyway but forgot :) |
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| 16:56.57 | joga | btw, is it better to run aptitude or apt-get, is there any difference? |
| 16:57.02 | liable | someone had that problem yesterday as well, but i can still get the -4 headers |
| 16:57.17 | wols | !aptitude |
| 16:57.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 16:57.46 | joga | guess I should use apt-get then since I haven't used aptitude on this one ;) |
| 16:58.04 | hark | !factinfo why not aptitude |
| 16:58.04 | dpkg | why not aptitude -- created by chealer <~chealer@205.205.243.134> at Mon Apr 9 09:42:17 2007 (148 days); it has been requested 76 times, last by hark, 20s ago. |
| 16:58.13 | wols | you can switch to aptitude just fine. but switching backj is not good |
| 16:58.30 | joga | thank you for all the information |
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| 16:59.40 | DustyBin | i have copied over /etc/passwd + /etc/groups into my chroot but the permissions still look like this |
| 16:59.47 | DustyBin | drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 Sep 4 15:22 test |
| 16:59.51 | DustyBin | 0 0 ? |
| 17:00.02 | DustyBin | users + groups i mean |
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| 17:01.28 | simonrvn | means that your nss isn't working. those just mean uid and gid of 0, i.e., root |
| 17:01.40 | ks | what is smallest install I can create with debian ? |
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| 17:03.09 | liable | ks: about 248MB |
| 17:03.09 | ks | need to create 'virtual appliance' appliance with a copy of our software |
| 17:03.59 | ks | liable have an error: Failed to partition the selected disk |
| 17:04.18 | ks | i'm using 316Mb disk |
| 17:04.36 | liable | uh, wait |
| 17:04.42 | robboplus | hm there is no reiserfs type in cfdisk |
| 17:04.52 | ks | using business card |
| 17:05.02 | robboplus | but for some reason it shows my partition as reiserfs... strange |
| 17:05.08 | mbroeker | DustyBin, try to copy nsswitch.conf as well |
| 17:05.12 | robboplus | i'm sure i gave it 83... |
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| 17:05.48 | liable | ks: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds02.html.en |
| 17:05.52 | lupusbeta | !deutsch |
| 17:05.52 | dpkg | from memory, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 17:06.03 | asd | !list |
| 17:06.03 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to asd |
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| 17:06.15 | robboplus | lmao |
| 17:06.30 | robboplus | !0day |
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| 17:06.43 | ix | is there any way to make dhcp3 only listen on a given interface? |
| 17:06.54 | petemc | ix: /etc/default/dhcpd |
| 17:06.59 | liable | ix: dhclient <iface> |
| 17:07.00 | petemc | 3 |
| 17:07.15 | ix | petemc: thanks :) |
| 17:07.15 | liable | oh, the server? |
| 17:07.16 | joga | ks, maybe you could install the virtual machine on a bigger disk, then resize it? |
| 17:07.24 | ks | liable thanks, i see now |
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| 17:08.00 | ks | joga i just figured out it's qemu qcow, so it 'll occupy only this much |
| 17:08.08 | joga | ah yes, in that case |
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| 17:08.29 | joga | out of curiosity, what sort of virtual appliance is it? :) |
| 17:08.31 | robboplus | liable do you have an idea why would cfdisk call type 83 as reiserfs? while fdisk says my partition is Linux... |
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| 17:08.42 | robboplus | a bug or is there a problem? |
| 17:08.42 | ks | while declaring 1Gb it'll have 300Mb |
| 17:08.56 | liable | robboplus: 83 is linux in general |
| 17:09.00 | robboplus | liable i know |
| 17:09.03 | ks | joga an nbd app |
| 17:09.06 | joga | ks, at least it can grow now |
| 17:09.08 | robboplus | liable but cfdisk 2.12r says it's reiser |
| 17:09.16 | joga | ks, nbd? |
| 17:09.33 | liable | robboplus: no idea |
| 17:09.39 | robboplus | liable while i have no choice of reiser in there at all and never tried to set reiser for it |
| 17:09.46 | ks | joga network block device |
| 17:09.49 | robboplus | kind of strange, huh? |
| 17:09.54 | liable | yep |
| 17:09.59 | joga | ks, ah ok |
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| 17:10.40 | ks | joga is business card a good distro to build a headless install ? |
| 17:11.21 | ks | or it doesn't matter ? |
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| 17:13.14 | chronos | good afternoon |
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| 17:16.20 | chronos | I'm here on old debian (3.1) with logrotate 3.7 and he says to me "error: unable to open /export/log/apache/feipecus/error.log.1 for compression" |
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| 17:16.35 | chronos | aparrentily all logs that I compress have this problem |
| 17:17.33 | ricardo | azeem i tried the dhlclient eth2 command and this is the output. I am going to move to another cafe and try my car |
| 17:17.42 | ricardo | card there |
| 17:17.51 | chronos | problem -> error: unable to open /export/log/apache/feipecus/error.log.1 for compression |
| 17:18.06 | chronos | parts of logs can see here: http://pastebin.ca/681160 |
| 17:18.46 | ricardo | my dhlclient output can be seen here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showpost.php?p=2880927&postcount=5 |
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| 17:19.23 | liable | ricardo: thats good! |
| 17:19.33 | liable | ricardo: you actually got a lease.. |
| 17:19.58 | ricardo | Ok but i cant load web pages |
| 17:20.01 | joga | ks, I don't know, really |
| 17:20.07 | phlux | anyone know how to insert a "tab" insertion into vi's :%s? |
| 17:20.27 | Ronin | ricardo: dns borked? |
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| 17:21.12 | liable | ricardo: your net should have worked. put 72.14.207.99 in you web browser and see if it works |
| 17:21.15 | ricardo | Ronin im really new to this so im not sure on those terms |
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| 17:21.48 | Kris_ | anyone successfully run Squirrelmail on Etch? I'm having lots of trouble...the link cannot be found when I use the browser. |
| 17:21.51 | liable | ricardo: check your /etc/resolv.conf it should have 192.168.0.1 in it |
| 17:22.25 | ricardo | ok is there anything elese as i have to go offline again :( |
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| 17:22.33 | chronos | someone can help me? in web not have much that doubts |
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| 17:22.37 | EvilGuru | I wish to back-up the data on my system (~3GB total for /) would tar be a good solution? |
| 17:23.42 | ricardo | bbl thanks for helping i need to change internet cafes |
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| 17:24.24 | pickcoder | chronos: is the file there? |
| 17:24.54 | chronos | the files in pastebin is only one of various that I have problem |
| 17:25.04 | pickcoder | EvilGuru: tar is fine for bulk backups |
| 17:25.12 | pickcoder | use the compression switch |
| 17:25.18 | pickcoder | just make sure you have enough free space |
| 17:25.23 | EvilGuru | I was thinking of: tar -czvf backup.tar /; after doing cd / |
| 17:25.25 | hyksos | hi, i installed tomcat5.5, now when i try to restart it, it return: error writing to /var/lib/tomcat5.5/logs/catalina_2007-09-04.log ? someone knows why this happens ? |
| 17:25.33 | EvilGuru | I am just not sure if it will get recursive on me |
| 17:25.34 | thelostbutler | hello folks, is it a good idea to replace NIS with LDAP for authentication? |
| 17:25.45 | EvilGuru | so try to back up the back up file being written |
| 17:26.04 | pickcoder | EvilGuru: specify an exception list |
| 17:26.16 | chronos | pickcoder: I have free space |
| 17:26.16 | pickcoder | proc, dev, your backup tarball |
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| 17:27.04 | pickcoder | chronos: is the file there |
| 17:27.36 | EvilGuru | I guess the -X option is what I want |
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| 17:27.38 | bolt | what is the fastest, while still relatively secure (encrypted network traffic and such), way to mount a directory on a remote machine and allow a bunch of users to access it at once? performance being the n goal. |
| 17:27.47 | chronos | this file have 500M, in partition have 900M |
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| 17:28.00 | bolt | read-only btw |
| 17:28.02 | chronos | the problem is really extrange ... |
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| 17:28.04 | EvilGuru | but I would rather pass them on the command line |
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| 17:28.36 | chronos | this is my logrotate.conf |
| 17:28.41 | chronos | and apache conf for logrotate |
| 17:28.44 | chronos | http://pastebin.ca/681208 |
| 17:28.44 | pickcoder | EvilGuru: a file list is easier to type, but I'm not typing |
| 17:28.50 | Farhenheit | Hello everbody, I'm trying to install a wifi adapter with an atml chipset and Debian sid. When I type m-a a-i at76c503a I'v got an error during the compilation |
| 17:28.52 | pickcoder | chronos: is the file there? |
| 17:29.23 | Farhenheit | is there any know problem with the kernel 2.6.22 and this driver ? |
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| 17:30.02 | tafs | hi - i`m having problems with viewing pdfs on a standard debian install, it works but there is something wrong with the fonts. any suggestions? |
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| 17:30.22 | DustyBin | does anyone know a way of PAM giving more detail on log files, PAM-env[3843]: Unable to open config file: No such file or directory means nothing to me |
| 17:30.48 | chronos | pickcoder: you mean .1 file or original file? the original file yes, the .1 file not, apparentlly he isn't created |
| 17:30.57 | chronos | or created but deleted |
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| 17:31.23 | pickcoder | chronos: if the file isn't present, then compress can't compress it |
| 17:31.31 | pickcoder | find out why logrotate isn't creating it |
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| 17:31.44 | pickcoder | permissions? no source to rotate? |
| 17:32.48 | chronos | have source and permission is ok, 775 for directory and 664 for files |
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| 17:33.23 | jbevren | ahh this brings back memories of my slackware days |
| 17:33.55 | pickcoder | chronos: delaycompress |
| 17:33.57 | chronos | arghhhh |
| 17:34.00 | pickcoder | as well as notifempty |
| 17:34.17 | chronos | when I run with -d he only debug but not move file ................. |
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| 17:34.18 | pickcoder | I would put missingok in the there too |
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| 17:36.04 | chronos | thx for atention |
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| 17:36.16 | chronos | but in debug mode in really he not move and compress file |
| 17:36.19 | chronos | thx |
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| 17:39.13 | CharminTheMoose | Is my particular copy of cpp for gcc-4.1 borked? file reports /usr/bin/cpp-4.1 as a Posix TAR archive. while file on /usr/bin/cpp-3.4 reports back as: ELF 32-bit LSB executable |
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| 17:39.51 | ezguy_ | i ran memtest86 for 2 hours - 8 passes and return no error. should i stop the test now or should i let it run longer? |
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| 17:41.40 | x_link | ezguy_: Run it for 4 hours to be sure. |
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| 17:41.53 | jbevren | ezguy_: I'd say its ok but tyou can try longer if you wish |
| 17:42.01 | basix | CharminTheMoose, borked! :P |
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| 17:42.36 | ezguy_ | ok |
| 17:43.27 | jbevren | I dont bother unless I have areal problem |
| 17:43.33 | liable | run it overnight to be sure |
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| 17:44.37 | CharminTheMoose | basix, damn |
| 17:45.07 | pickcoder | CharminTheMoose: can you tar --list the file? |
| 17:45.11 | Dark-Fx | Turn on the heater in the room and run memtest |
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| 17:46.28 | CharminTheMoose | pickcoder, nothing seems to be coming up |
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| 17:47.08 | CharminTheMoose | just hangs |
| 17:47.22 | DustyBin | has anyone here used rssh? |
| 17:47.25 | DustyBin | whoops |
| 17:47.29 | DustyBin | shouldnt of said that |
| 17:48.19 | Dark-Fx | !anyone |
| 17:48.20 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:48.39 | ezguy_ | any ideas how to determine with dimm is bad base on the mcelog? |
| 17:49.11 | dkr | ezguy_: run memtest86 |
| 17:50.25 | ezguy_ | can memtest86 shows which memory dimm is bad? |
| 17:50.34 | liable | no |
| 17:51.01 | ezguy_ | it only show if there are memory problem. |
| 17:51.22 | ezguy_ | i need a way to id which dimm is bad |
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| 17:52.41 | liable | ezguy_: take one out, run the test |
| 17:53.05 | liable | rinse, lather, repeat |
| 17:53.19 | JordiGH | So, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you don't set a root password a la Ubuntu and you boot the computer into single-user mode, then you're immediately dumped in a root shell? |
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| 17:53.32 | valdyn | ezguy_: you cant do that easily |
| 17:53.34 | ezguy_ | liable: i can do that but i will take a very long time for system with 16 dimms. i need a faster way to id the problem dimms |
| 17:53.43 | JordiGH | Because someone just opened a root shell, and this kinda freaks me out. |
| 17:53.44 | liable | JordiGH: the install doesnt let you not set one iirc |
| 17:53.52 | JordiGH | liable: It does in expert mode. |
| 17:53.59 | vor | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.22 | valdyn | ezguy_: memtest86 cant know the on physical ( on die ) mapping.. consult your bios/chipset manual |
| 17:54.25 | jbevren | meh linux 2.6 > 2.6.11 apparently has the driver in the kernel tree, but debian doesnt enable it :X (off to build a kernel!) |
| 17:54.27 | liable | JordiGH: oh really? |
| 17:54.32 | JordiGH | liable: It looks like it needs more polishing, though. F'rinstance, modifying the default gksu and kdesu config files to use sudo instead of su if you don't set a root password. |
| 17:54.33 | ezguy_ | mcelog shows: cpu 1 ADDR 5e4f8040 error |
| 17:54.41 | valdyn | ezguy_: you can figure it out empirically though |
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| 17:54.51 | SoulChild | Anyone using lazarus ? |
| 17:54.52 | jbevren | btw, thanks for the help |
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| 17:55.07 | JordiGH | liable: And it seems, it also needs to NOT dump you in a root shell without a password if you boot into single user mode. :-) |
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| 17:56.05 | valdyn | ezguy_: that error does not mean that you have a physically broken anything.. |
| 17:56.11 | ezguy_ | echo $((0x5e4f8040)) ~ 1582268480 ~ 1.5g range? |
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| 17:56.51 | liable | JordiGH: i guess expert mode expects you know what you are doing when you dont set a root password :P |
| 17:56.52 | ezguy_ | valdyn: there is problem with dimm on cpu 1 (first cpu for a dual cores processor), right? |
| 17:57.09 | abrotman | ezguy_: are you still running fedora ? |
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| 17:57.18 | valdyn | ezguy_: i dont know this error |
| 17:57.19 | ezguy_ | nope |
| 17:57.32 | Jo_R | Hi! |
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| 17:57.47 | valdyn | ezguy_: most commonly such errors are psu or heat, less commonly hardware breakage |
| 17:58.06 | Jo_R | where can I get software that is easy to install on debian?.. |
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| 17:58.15 | abrotman | man apt-get |
| 17:58.15 | JordiGH | liable: Yeah, but it could automate a few things. This thing about dumping you in a root shell in single user mode, well, I just thought you wouldn't be able to do anything at all if there was no password, not that you'd be dumped in a root shell. :-) |
| 17:58.20 | ezguy_ | abrotman: yes and no. I do have some systems running centos, fc, rhel and debian. |
| 17:58.33 | valdyn | Jo_R: like which software? |
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| 17:58.46 | JordiGH | Jo_R: Debian is a distro. It serves its own software. That's what being a distro is all about. |
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| 17:59.06 | Ronin | and it doesnt get any easier to install software then aptitude install foo |
| 17:59.07 | liable | JordiGH: if you set a root password, it does ask you, so i guess thats the point. anyway, if you have physical access its a moot point anyway |
| 17:59.12 | xingu | JordiGH: unix gives you the gun and ammo but doesn't explain where to aim it or stop you from shooting at your feet |
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| 18:00.03 | zinx | xingu: it explains, it just doesn't force you to follow what it says |
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| 18:00.26 | zinx | xingu: and it's targeted at more than a pre-school level of reading comprehension :P |
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| 18:00.32 | JordiGH | liable: Well, there's physical access, but there are BIOS passwords and someone in the lab making sure nobody with a screwdriver gets near to the machines. :-) |
| 18:00.45 | Jo_R | I wasn't able to install any software that wasn't on the cd(s) |
| 18:00.59 | Ronin | !tell Jo_R about sources.list |
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| 18:01.03 | EvilGuru | xingu: Then don't point it at your foot! |
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| 18:01.17 | JordiGH | !tell Jo_R about apt howto |
| 18:01.25 | xingu | zinx: the niceties of pam_unix's nullok and the history behind why it's a default takes some digging up. |
| 18:01.52 | liable | JordiGH: the point is, if they can see the grub screen (if grub doesnt have a password) then they can get single mode without a password. :) |
| 18:02.02 | xingu | EvilGuru: that's exactly my point |
| 18:02.12 | xingu | !give cookie to EvilGuru |
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| 18:02.56 | JordiGH | liable: grub has a password. |
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| 18:03.27 | liable | JordiGH: so, you have bios passwords, grub passwords, yet you didnt set a root password? |
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| 18:03.46 | joga | single mode doesn't ask for one.. |
| 18:03.58 | liable | joga: the default grub line does |
| 18:04.10 | valdyn | !I forgot root's password |
| 18:04.10 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 18:04.10 | JordiGH | liable: I didn't think it was possible to login to root without a password! There's a difference between a blank password and no password, y'know. Accounts without a password are supposed to be disabled. |
| 18:04.27 | xingu | er what? |
| 18:04.57 | xingu | JordiGH: take a look at pam_unix(8), nullok option. |
| 18:05.01 | JordiGH | valdyn: No, I didn't forget the root password. I just didn't set one a la Ubuntu, but I've discovered that this means that if you boot into single user mode, you get dumped into a shell without a password prompt. |
| 18:05.16 | valdyn | JordiGH: I see |
| 18:05.46 | valdyn | pickcoder: he just cant log in |
| 18:05.47 | JordiGH | pickcoder: nobody doesn't login. That doesn't mean that nobody doesn't do things. |
| 18:05.56 | pickcoder | but it doesn't have a password and it's not disabled |
| 18:06.18 | xingu | pickcoder: you sure about the no password bit? mine has :*: in shadow. |
| 18:07.26 | pickcoder | semantics |
| 18:07.28 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 18:07.33 | xingu | ... matter. :) |
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| 18:09.11 | rapi | hi all |
| 18:10.01 | JordiGH | Hm, any character besides an 'x' is treated as an encrypted password, from passwd(5). So when you set it to some character, does this mean that if you found a key that hashed to that single character, then you could login? :-) |
| 18:10.45 | xingu | yes, and given that the first character is *salt*, you'd be wanting something which had a salt of * and produced a null cyphertext |
| 18:10.46 | valdyn | JordiGH: theoretically |
| 18:10.49 | xingu | good luck on that quest. |
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| 18:12.22 | JordiGH | Oh, crypt(5) says such a salt is simply never an output. |
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| 18:12.57 | xingu | unless there's a defect in crypt(3) |
| 18:13.20 | xingu | hence, possible, just improbable. |
| 18:14.59 | p-a-v | not a show stopper.. but still, epiphany freezes when signing out of gmail after an embedded html chat session. This was happening on lenny, now on Sid also. I upgraded to Sid last week |
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| 18:15.24 | p-a-v | how to get it fixed? |
| 18:15.48 | liable | file a bug |
| 18:16.33 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 18:16.33 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
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| 18:16.49 | c0rnd0g | this sucks |
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| 18:17.00 | c0rnd0g | happy white 0wled xmas |
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| 18:20.32 | simonrvn | MOTHERFUCKING SID IS NOT A MOTHERFUCKING UPGRADE! ;) |
| 18:20.52 | liable | motherfucker! |
| 18:20.59 | simonrvn | heheh |
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| 18:21.17 | JordiGH | Why don't we ever say "fatherfucker"? |
| 18:21.48 | simonrvn | same reason we say motherfucker and not fatherfucker |
| 18:21.50 | abrotman | JordiGH: don't you get enough of that with the pr0n you watch ? |
| 18:22.01 | simonrvn | heh heh heh |
| 18:22.05 | joga | does anyone have recommendations on a really lightweight graphical browser? the system is 233mmx/96MB |
| 18:22.14 | simonrvn | w3m |
| 18:22.20 | joga | dillo is pretty ... ehm |
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| 18:22.32 | Vitaly | http://www.prevedgame.ru/in.php?id=764725 |
| 18:22.37 | abrotman | spammers must die! |
| 18:22.49 | joga | simonrvn, w3m is graphical? |
| 18:22.56 | JordiGH | joga: Emacs! |
| 18:23.01 | joga | heh |
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| 18:23.10 | joga | I use emacs for slime |
| 18:23.11 | JordiGH | Emacs is lightweight enough for 96 megs of ram. |
| 18:23.21 | JordiGH | And it displays images. |
| 18:23.30 | JordiGH | I'm not sure if that's all it takes to count as "graphical". |
| 18:23.38 | joga | i'd just like for some web stuff to not bug out, otherwise elinks would be fine |
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| 18:23.48 | joga | and to see pics :) |
| 18:24.22 | JordiGH | pics, eh? |
| 18:24.33 | joga | do you need some extension to emacs to browse with pictures? |
| 18:24.36 | JordiGH | w3 |
| 18:24.52 | abrotman | Vitaly: then what was that ? .. seems like spam to me |
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| 18:24.55 | JordiGH | !info w3m-el |
| 18:24.56 | tamino7 | hello there |
| 18:24.59 | dpkg | w3m-el: (a simple Emacs interface of w3m), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 622 kB, Installed size: 2404 kB |
| 18:25.01 | JordiGH | I guess it's just w3m after all. |
| 18:25.04 | tamino7 | how can I install DSL connection ? |
| 18:25.12 | abrotman | pppoe |
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| 18:25.18 | Seiya` | sera a tutti. |
| 18:25.24 | simonrvn | joga: shows images, "graphical" enough for me |
| 18:25.25 | JordiGH | !it |
| 18:25.27 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
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| 18:26.06 | simonrvn | Vitaly: so, like, you know, how about posting the english version instead? |
| 18:26.15 | abrotman | of spam ? |
| 18:26.18 | simonrvn | not all of us speak russian here |
| 18:26.31 | abrotman | does anyone ? |
| 18:26.34 | JordiGH | How many people have actually ever gone to a language-specific Debian channel when told to do so instead of just switching to English? |
| 18:26.35 | simonrvn | i want him to prove it isn't spam |
| 18:26.45 | JordiGH | abrotman: I do, a little. |
| 18:26.46 | abrotman | bah .. let's just call ops! |
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| 18:26.57 | simonrvn | abrotman: i almost did |
| 18:27.10 | tami2 | how can I install dsl connection ?? pppoe. pppoeconf doesn't work: command not found! |
| 18:27.13 | tami2 | anyone? |
| 18:27.14 | chops | Hello all, I'm running Debian etch on a Dell PE2950 with gigabit NICs... my network performance is bad, though (looks like it maxes out at about 5-10 megabytes/sec). The processor is not loaded, ethtool reports correct line settings, and I've double-checked that there is nothing between this machine and my test machine which is not cat 5e or higher. |
| 18:27.22 | simonrvn | tami2: run as root |
| 18:27.22 | abrotman | simonrvn: it is spam |
| 18:27.31 | chops | Is there any tuning that I generally have to do to get gigabit ethernet to work properly on modern Linuxes? |
| 18:27.41 | abrotman | ethtool maybe |
| 18:27.46 | abrotman | or mii-tool |
| 18:27.50 | tami2 | simonrvn: I've tryed :S |
| 18:28.00 | xingu | chops: jumbo frames, use tcp. |
| 18:28.00 | zinx | chops: are all devices capable and reporting a 1Gbps link? |
| 18:28.05 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yep, spam. Cheap online games. |
| 18:28.31 | tami2 | simonrvn: are u sure that there is only this way to install dsl connection with pppoe ? |
| 18:28.53 | sideral | tami2: is it a freshly installed system? |
| 18:29.05 | simonrvn | !ops Vitaly spamming URLs |
| 18:29.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: Vitaly spamming URLs |
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| 18:29.17 | tami2 | sideral: yep.. |
| 18:29.36 | et | who is ):? |
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| 18:29.56 | chops | zinx: My test setting has only two hosts plus cabling, and the Debian end reports auto-negotiated 1gbps via ethtool. The other end is Win XP, though... maybe I should try both ends Debian+gigE and see if I still have problems :-) |
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| 18:30.02 | sideral | tami2: I don't know if it helps, but I often install machines from the netinst cd, but have no network, so I exit, install the needed packages and off you go. similar situation with you? |
| 18:30.03 | sx|lappy | hi guys... where did "network-manager-gnome" go ?? |
| 18:30.21 | zinx | chops: directly connected to each other? |
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| 18:30.21 | streuner | !info network-manager |
| 18:30.23 | xingu | chops: what application/protocol are you using as your benchmark? |
| 18:30.24 | dpkg | network-manager: (network management framework daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 369 kB, Installed size: 1516 kB |
| 18:30.32 | chops | xingu: http download from apache |
| 18:30.59 | zinx | chops: or connected through a switch/hub/router? |
| 18:31.02 | xingu | chops: change your card mtu to 4096 or so (jumbo frames) |
| 18:31.21 | xingu | chops: repeat the test case; look at the debian end in a recent top at si%, hi% |
| 18:31.24 | chops | xingu: I tried netcat earlier and that seemed to show good performance (70 megabytes/sec), but that was weeks ago. Now I'm trying to hand the problem off to our network people |
| 18:31.28 | simonrvn | Vitaly: you can leave gracefully, or get kickbanned. take your pick. |
| 18:31.39 | chops | xingu: Nothing seems particularly badly loaded on the Debian end |
| 18:31.42 | xingu | chops: and also run vmstat 1 and log the "in" column |
| 18:31.52 | xingu | chops: paste some actualy numbers please |
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| 18:32.24 | Vitaly | simonrvn: take it easy |
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| 18:32.35 | chops | xingu: k. I'll see if I can put together a test setup that doesn't involve disconnecting from the network. My client machine's only got a single NIC :-( |
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| 18:32.44 | zinx | Vitaly: bye :D |
| 18:33.03 | xingu | chops: are there any ethernet errors logged per ifconfig ? |
| 18:33.53 | chops | xingu: In previous tests, enabling jumbo frames _decreased_ the performance in the real application (it's a perforce server). Right now I'm ignoring that fact until I figure out what's going on in a much simpler setup than the production setup. |
| 18:34.29 | chops | xingu: Sec. Lemme try to get a test setup so I can debug and give you numbers without disconnecting from IRC. I'll also try reenabling jumbo frames for the interface I'm using for my testing. |
| 18:34.49 | xingu | chops: n/p |
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| 18:35.12 | zinx | if it's going at 10MB/s, something is happening other than jumbo frames |
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| 18:35.28 | zinx | that's roughly what you'd expect from 100Mbps |
| 18:35.31 | xingu | chops: nb jumbo frames gets to be enabled at source and sink - and in your production sense, also on everything else on that (broadcast) segment |
| 18:35.42 | xingu | zinx: yes; hence the desire to see interrupt rate. |
| 18:35.43 | Vitaly | zinx, 0.o |
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| 18:36.53 | tamino7 | arh... this is driving me crazy! I've installed debian in a LAN so I had static IP. But now I moved computer and I wanna install dsl connection. And when I do as root: pppoe, pppoeconf it says command not found :( what can I do to install dsl ?? |
| 18:37.08 | chops | xingu: No errors logged in ifconfig, BTW. I'll be able to get another machine set up as the test client (still WinXP), but I won't be able to cut and paste. I can retype interrupt rates and whatnot from 'top', though. |
| 18:37.15 | xingu | zinx: 50-100MB/s with a tiny mss will kick his arse to kingdom come; interrupt rate is a reasonable proxy for "holy small packets batman" |
| 18:37.46 | sideral | tamino7: install the pppoeconf package? |
| 18:38.11 | tamino7 | sideral: how If I don't have connection? |
| 18:38.19 | ferrox | how do i add etch/devel packages to my sources.list ? |
| 18:38.32 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 18:38.33 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 18:38.34 | sideral | tamino7: well, it should be on the debian cd under /cdrom/pools/... |
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| 18:38.47 | simonrvn | pool/ fyi |
| 18:38.49 | sideral | tamino7: s/pools/pool/ |
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| 18:39.17 | tamino7 | sideral: so I just put in cd and instsall as normal: apt-get install ppppeconf and debian will know where to search ? |
| 18:39.27 | xingu | chops: that'll do, open up a nice big fat long flow and wait for the si/hi% and vmstat in numbers to settle - then give us approximation |
| 18:39.31 | sideral | tamino7: no, because apt-get relies on package sources |
| 18:39.40 | valdyn | tamino7: why don't you try? |
| 18:39.50 | simonrvn | sideral: if s/he's got the cd in sources.list, yes it will work |
| 18:40.03 | sideral | simonrvn: true. |
| 18:40.28 | sideral | tamino7: so either add the cd to the apt sources or go old-fashioned dpkg --install |
| 18:41.09 | chops | Okay, this is from downloading a file from apache over gigabit at around 4 megabytes/sec, with _no_ jumbo frames: http://paste.debian.net/36225 |
| 18:41.14 | chops | That's the top output |
| 18:41.44 | xingu | ok barely touching metal; vmstat 1? |
| 18:42.23 | chops | Here's vmstat 1: http://paste.debian.net/36227 |
| 18:42.42 | xingu | not too obscene; 2s. |
| 18:42.54 | chops | xingu: This server is lightly loaded in production, BTW, sorry... if you see load, it might not necessarily be test-related :-( |
| 18:43.04 | chops | I'm trying jumbo frames now |
| 18:43.16 | xingu | chops: yeah that's perfect |
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| 18:44.05 | simonrvn | what's it serving, cheezwhiz? |
| 18:44.11 | chops | xingu: You say I have to enable it on both sides, right? |
| 18:44.15 | stoned | hi |
| 18:44.23 | xingu | chops: yep; it's link-mtu (framelen) |
| 18:45.02 | xingu | chops: before we get that far - "ip route list table all | grep ta.rg.et.ad" - see if there's a cached entry? |
| 18:45.20 | xingu | chops: interested in mtu/rtt/advmss etc bits |
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| 18:47.22 | xingu | there's a shock :) |
| 18:47.31 | simonrvn | no surprise there ;) |
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| 18:47.57 | chops | xingu: "sudo ip route list table all | grep 10.150.150.20" did not produce any output. Did I do it right? |
| 18:48.01 | phizeek | im having problems installing debian with a linksys usb ethernet USB200M. i've heard people using it, but it's not detecting my hardware. . I guess. |
| 18:48.12 | chops | xingu: 10.150.150.150 is my server's test interface, 10.150.150.20 is the client machine |
| 18:48.20 | xingu | chops: start the flow up again first; then try |
| 18:48.37 | xingu | chops: but yes; should be correct; eyeball without the grep to see what I'm on about. |
| 18:49.16 | xingu | chops: linux route cache is a funky funky thing as far as host implementations go |
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| 18:50.16 | dante_2core | greetings |
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| 18:50.23 | muaddib | quick question |
| 18:50.28 | dante_2core | quick answer |
| 18:50.34 | xingu | chops: my initial suspicion is that your WinXP box is using a too-small tcp window size; you'd confirm this with packet capture; I don't mind eyeballing that if you want to record one with tcpdump -w somefile and put it up for download. |
| 18:50.54 | muaddib | When i create a partition that uses the entire space of the disk howcome its not fully avaliable to me its like a little of it is saved for something |
| 18:51.10 | dante_2core | muaddib, a bit is always used by the filesystem |
| 18:51.11 | abrotman | muaddib: root retains 5% |
| 18:51.14 | qrck | by the way, is xine able to play mp4 format ? |
| 18:51.35 | muaddib | dante_2core: in what way |
| 18:51.43 | qrck | or rather, which app is able to play mp4 format ? |
| 18:51.45 | xingu | chops: bandwidth delay product on 1Gbps link is big enough that 100base hardcoded defaults for window size (ie, no window scaling) will hurt |
| 18:51.49 | muaddib | abortman: Your funny hahahaha NOT! |
| 18:51.57 | dante_2core | muaddib, the filesystem needs place to safe what files there are, what directories there are and all |
| 18:52.12 | muaddib | dante_2core: inodes? |
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| 18:52.20 | dante_2core | muaddib, some |
| 18:52.21 | dante_2core | afaik |
| 18:52.21 | streuner | qrck: check out this http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq |
| 18:52.27 | abrotman | muaddib: i wasn't joking |
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| 18:52.57 | qrck | streuner: thanks for the help but i was looking for a quick yes or no answer! |
| 18:53.07 | simonrvn | witf |
| 18:53.28 | abrotman | why would they think i'd lie ... |
| 18:53.29 | muaddib | dante_2core: what else |
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| 18:53.49 | chops | xingu: I'm not having any luck enabling jumbo frames on the Win XP side. I will grab a packet capture as you recommend. |
| 18:53.55 | dante_2core | muaddib, ahm, sizes of the files and all kinds of information you see if you do "stat <filename>" |
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| 18:54.05 | abrotman | muaddib: i already gave you the answer |
| 18:54.14 | dante_2core | muaddib, how much of the space is it you can't use? |
| 18:54.27 | streuner | well, you are in the wrong channel then, we prefer people who are able to read :-) |
| 18:54.29 | abrotman | muaddib: when you create an ext2/3 file system .. 5%(by default) is reserved for root |
| 18:54.42 | chops | xingu: I believe that our switch is not jumbo-frame capable anyway (see my earlier comment about enabling jumbo frames resulting in reduced performance), FWIW |
| 18:54.46 | dante_2core | abrotman, interesting to know :D |
| 18:54.50 | chops | xingu: Even though my current testing bypasses the switch |
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| 18:54.57 | abrotman | yeah .. too bad he's listening to your jibberish |
| 18:54.59 | dante_2core | (joined 2 minutes ago and already learned something.) |
| 18:55.12 | muaddib | dante_2core: Then your talking about the inode count then |
| 18:55.17 | abrotman | tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 .. for example .. see all the Reserved this/that |
| 18:55.21 | abrotman | oh ffs .. |
| 18:55.22 | hark | muaddib: man tune2fs /reserved-blocks-percentage |
| 18:55.26 | simonrvn | muaddib: ... |
| 18:55.29 | abrotman | wtf is wrong with that guy |
| 18:55.33 | dante_2core | muaddib, and abrotman, i'm not too well-informed |
| 18:55.37 | dante_2core | i better be quiet |
| 18:55.39 | abrotman | i give the *correct* answer .. and i get laughed at |
| 18:55.42 | xingu | chops: *nod* fair enough; what jumbo frames does *once the other gremlins are cured* is give you higher throughput at the same interrupt rate |
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| 18:56.02 | streuner | #bash |
| 18:56.05 | xingu | chops: you have plenty of headroom as far as interrupt rate is concerned; if you were nearer 8k/s than 1k/s I'd be worried. |
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| 18:56.20 | chops | xingu: *nod* |
| 18:56.38 | muaddib | abortman: Thanks |
| 18:56.53 | chops | xingu: BTW, enabling jumbo frames on the server side but not the client side results in... well, rather poor performance :-) |
| 18:57.05 | simonrvn | yes you can |
| 18:57.22 | dante_2core | abrotman, sorry about me talking "jibberish" before, i was trying to help :( |
| 18:57.37 | abrotman | dante_2core: i know .. it's okay .. it just hurts to be laughed at ... |
| 18:57.37 | simonrvn | abrotman: heheh |
| 18:57.48 | streuner | !comfort abrotman |
| 18:57.48 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:57.56 | simonrvn | aaw |
| 18:57.56 | xingu | chops: I'd imagine it would. ;) |
| 18:58.09 | dante_2core | apt-get moo |
| 18:58.11 | xingu | chops: framelen must be constant within a given datalink domain |
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| 18:58.22 | abrotman | dante_2core: i didn't know about it either .. but i don't usually come close to filling up / which is where it usually becomes a huge issue |
| 18:58.33 | abrotman | (didn't know at one time) |
| 18:58.34 | xingu | chops: otherwise the upper layer protocols can't negotiate segment size |
| 18:58.52 | dante_2core | abrotman, well, i had my own "root filesys full, go delete some stuff" warnings to learn from XD |
| 18:59.29 | dante_2core | though i tend to place too many things on / anyway... |
| 18:59.47 | simonrvn | abrotman: there's not knowing, and not knowing and being a dumbass / cluebie about it |
| 19:00.02 | xingu | abrotman: it's what happens after you crash a filesystem where someone has thoughtfully set that down to 0 to free up space, that's hilarious |
| 19:00.28 | abrotman | xingu: i thought you couldn't tune that after you made the FS |
| 19:00.35 | chops | abrotman: You can |
| 19:00.35 | xdr | dante_2core: rm -rf /* should fix all root filesystem is full issues |
| 19:00.37 | xdr | ;) |
| 19:00.43 | dante_2core | xdr, rotfl |
| 19:00.46 | abrotman | xdr: DO NOT DO THAT AGAIN |
| 19:00.50 | dante_2core | you know what i did recently |
| 19:00.52 | simonrvn | i believe you can |
| 19:00.52 | xingu | abrotman: almost as funny in fact as watching the fully loaded jbod macarena its way out of the rack once you hit 90%+ full and fragmentation gives you io access patterns from hell |
| 19:00.53 | abrotman | xdr: that can get you a k-line |
| 19:00.57 | simonrvn | !lart xdr |
| 19:00.58 | streuner | xdr: oh, that was really bad, be glad no OP didnt see that... |
| 19:01.03 | simonrvn | bah, lame LART |
| 19:01.05 | dante_2core | i did *DO NOT DO IT* dpkg --remove --force-depends libc6 |
| 19:01.09 | simonrvn | !lart xdr |
| 19:01.15 | chops | xingu: http://qix.demiurgestudios.com/~moise/slow-gigabit.pcap |
| 19:01.18 | simonrvn | !lart dante_2core |
| 19:01.21 | abrotman | xingu: heh |
| 19:01.23 | dante_2core | XD |
| 19:01.30 | dante_2core | look |
| 19:01.32 | xdr | streuner: seriously? |
| 19:01.34 | dante_2core | there's things you don't do |
| 19:01.35 | xingu | chops: digestifying, gimme a few |
| 19:01.40 | chops | xingu: thx |
| 19:01.44 | abrotman | xdr: yes .. people get k-lined for taht .. don't do it again |
| 19:01.44 | dante_2core | and things you never do again once you where dumb enough to do them |
| 19:01.55 | simonrvn | xdr: people wouldn't say it if it weren't serious |
| 19:01.58 | streuner | xdr: seriously you get a +q 24 hours |
| 19:02.07 | abrotman | xdr: some people may not know better .. that's a very dangerous thing to even jokingly suggest |
| 19:02.09 | chops | xingu: I'm looking at it too, I'm just not all that familiar with grotty details of TCP tuning |
| 19:02.10 | xdr | streuner: I won't :) |
| 19:02.10 | simonrvn | FFS, aptitude install grey-matter |
| 19:02.21 | streuner | hm |
| 19:02.31 | streuner | so you didnt learn... |
| 19:02.32 | xdr | I thought it was so stupid so people wouldn't do that :) |
| 19:02.53 | xingu | chops: yeah your window size is crap mate; http://www.speedguide.net/files/TCPOptimizer.exe <- grab this guy and clicky clicky; docs are http://www.speedguide.net/tcpoptimizer.php |
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| 19:02.57 | streuner | thats even more stupid then |
| 19:03.12 | abrotman | xdr: some people are that stupid ... |
| 19:03.31 | streuner | even people who have not that experiences with *nix |
| 19:03.32 | xingu | chops: just let it auto-everything you; set for 1Gbps link rate, retest; if it's still crap pop up another packet capture. |
| 19:03.44 | xdr | hmm ... well I supposed it is like einstein said :) |
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| 19:04.08 | chops | xingu: Okay -- are you saying the server settings seem to be okay (I haven't tuned them at all) and that I need to retune the clients? |
| 19:04.20 | streuner | sure, but he didnt give advice HOW to be stupid |
| 19:04.26 | ricardo | hi Ive been trying to get my wirless card to access the internet. I can access a cafes wireless zone but not acces the web . my prblem and command output are here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showpost.php?p=2880927&postcount=5 |
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| 19:05.43 | abrotman | oh good .. xdr broke freenode |
| 19:05.45 | xingu | chops: yep; the flow is starving |
| 19:05.47 | streuner | xdr: DUDE, we are in a Help Channel, people trust us, so why the fuck do you think what kind of advice you gave? |
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| 19:09.01 | ricardo | so can anyone shed some more light on my wireless internet access problem |
| 19:09.17 | Blackfin | Hello everybody |
| 19:09.18 | JoeBlakesley | hi |
| 19:09.24 | Blackfin | I have some questions regarding Debian distro |
| 19:09.47 | xingu | chops: still here? |
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| 19:09.55 | chops | xingu: Okay, thanks very much. I'm rebooting the test machine right now, I'll retest from there and if everything goes okay I'll retest with my machine over the production network. |
| 19:09.56 | Blackfin | Currently I use Fedora, and I would like to know how is Debian better than Fedora |
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| 19:10.15 | xingu | chops: ok; there's a possible explanation... |
| 19:10.17 | JoeBlakesley | since I disabled my on-board sound so I'd only have 1 sound card neither work |
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| 19:10.25 | streuner | JoeBlakesley: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
| 19:10.42 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 19:10.42 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 19:10.46 | JoeBlakesley | alsaconf finds both (even though one is disabled) |
| 19:10.54 | xingu | chops: in the ~2.6.19 timeframe linux started dynamically sizing tcp sockets and the associated scaling options based on the amount of physical memory |
| 19:10.56 | JoeBlakesley | but then gives me an error when I try to set up the one that isn't |
| 19:10.58 | simonrvn | Blackfin: ^^^ see what dpkg said |
| 19:11.00 | chops | xingu: I was perusing the TCP optimizer docs out of general internet suspicion (TM). "Make your conncetion faster! Just download and run this magic .exe! Also there are kittens! Click now!" :-) |
| 19:11.26 | xingu | chops: this can create sub-par conditions on old stacks which do not do window scaling by default. |
| 19:11.34 | xingu | chops: or on current ones which do, and are buggy. |
| 19:11.41 | JoeBlakesley | steuner: Linux version 2.6.21-2-686 (Debian 2.6.21-6) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20070629 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-13)) #1 SMP Wed Jul 11 03:53:02 UTC 2007 |
| 19:12.02 | xingu | chops: from memory, XP qualifies as the former; the acid test is - can you download many many Nx flows at 4MB/s in parallel |
| 19:12.07 | JoeBlakesley | its up-to-date testing |
| 19:12.09 | xingu | chops: I'd expect the answer to be yes. |
| 19:12.27 | chops | xingu: Hm |
| 19:12.41 | streuner | JoeBlakesley: lspci -v | grep -i audio |
| 19:12.45 | xingu | chops: but in general, let that tool turn on window scaling and other goodies on the hosts on your LAN |
| 19:12.46 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, blacklist the alsamodule for the onbaord to prevent it from getting an entry in alsas list |
| 19:12.49 | JoeBlakesley | is there anyway I can get it tp wipe *all* my soundcard settings and search for soundcards again |
| 19:12.52 | JoeBlakesley | as it worked orginally |
| 19:12.53 | xingu | chops: that'll get you the best result - if this theory is correct. |
| 19:13.06 | chops | xingu: In my previous testing it seems that I'm capped at about 10 megabytes/second aggregate flow. With many flows going simultaneously it seems that each one is limited to about 1-2 megabytes/second. That really sucks :-) |
| 19:13.33 | xingu | chops: did you aggregate across hosts just out of interest? |
| 19:13.38 | chops | xingu: Letting that tool retune my client didn't help a lot. The transfer initially happened at 8-9 megabytes/second, but quickly dropped back down to 4 megabytes/sec. |
| 19:13.48 | chops | xingu: No, that's what I've been seeing in production. |
| 19:13.50 | SpeedyG | hi, i've got debian running in a vmware environment.. but somehow it doesnt remember its route to the internet... ip-address and such are set correctly, the gateway is also setup in the /etc/network/interfaces, but as soon as it's rebooted, the route to the internet is gone... any way to solve this? |
| 19:14.03 | JoeBlakesley | cahoot: where do I do that? |
| 19:14.05 | xingu | chops: ok in that case we probably do have a server-side problem that needs isolation - which means a quick trip down into /proc/sys/net/ipv4 |
| 19:14.13 | JoeBlakesley | streuner: it gives me: |
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| 19:14.15 | JoeBlakesley | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 19:14.15 | JoeBlakesley | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.15 | JoeBlakesley | 02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS |
| 19:14.16 | chops | 4 megabytes/second to each host would actually be semi-acceptable, 10 megabytes/second would be ideal (since many are not gigabit-capable), 1-2 starts to get painful |
| 19:14.24 | chops | xingu: Yeah, I'm looking at some server-side tuning docs as well |
| 19:14.33 | chops | xingu: http://www-didc.lbl.gov/TCP-tuning/linux.html |
| 19:14.37 | JoeBlakesley | intel is on-board obviously |
| 19:14.39 | xingu | chops: what's tcp_wmem? |
| 19:14.42 | streuner | joejaxx: well, so you didnt disalbe the onboard chip in BIOS, most likely |
| 19:14.48 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, look into /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist |
| 19:14.58 | streuner | JoeBlakesley: well, so you didnt disalbe the onboard chip in BIOS, most likely |
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| 19:15.00 | JoeBlakesley | cahoot: thanks |
| 19:15.11 | xingu | chops: nb, those are exactly what is sized dynamically post about 2.6.19 or so. |
| 19:15.12 | chops | xingu: tcp_wmem is "4096 16384 4194304" |
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| 19:15.25 | chops | xingu: This is stock Debian etch, 2.6.18 |
| 19:15.26 | xingu | chops: and tcp_window_scaling is ? |
| 19:15.26 | JoeBlakesley | pretty sure I did |
| 19:15.38 | chops | xingu: tcp_window_scaling is 1 |
| 19:15.50 | xingu | chops: tcp_adv_win_scale ? |
| 19:15.51 | JoeBlakesley | both sound cards were working fine together before I disabled the on-board one in the bios anyway |
| 19:16.03 | chops | xingu: tcp_adv_win_scale is 2 |
| 19:16.10 | JoeBlakesley | that's when they both stopped working |
| 19:16.12 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, why did you disable it? |
| 19:16.12 | streuner | heh |
| 19:16.14 | xingu | hmm, all good so far |
| 19:16.26 | joejaxx | streuner: ? |
| 19:16.34 | joejaxx | streuner: you pinged? |
| 19:16.42 | streuner | joejaxx: sorry, nickcompletition failed |
| 19:16.43 | chops | xingu: Hm, the tuning guide I just sent you the URL to claims that bigger than those is better |
| 19:16.44 | simonrvn | joejaxx: tab completion misfire |
| 19:16.55 | joejaxx | ok |
| 19:16.57 | JoeBlakesley | to save me having to set programs up to use the right one |
| 19:16.59 | joejaxx | no problem |
| 19:16.59 | chops | xingu: That seems to be targeted more at long paths though |
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| 19:17.14 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ see 3.14 - to make then one you want the default |
| 19:17.16 | xingu | chops: yep; but some of the same math applies at short high clock rate paths too. |
| 19:17.16 | irule | e>hi there, I just installed webmin, and got the message "Error - Access denied for 192.168.2.44" once I logged into https://192.168.2.99:10000/ with firefox, BUT it never asked me for an username or password, and if I use http://192.168.2.99:10000/ ie NO "S" in https, I get the message "Error - Bad Request, This web server is running in SSL mode. Try the URL https://192.168.2.99:10000/... |
| 19:17.18 | irule | ...instead." any toughts? thanks |
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| 19:17.32 | simonrvn | --purge webmin now |
| 19:17.32 | JoeBlakesley | cahoot: ta |
| 19:17.39 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to change the settings of my audio card's onboard equalizer from linux? |
| 19:17.43 | SerajewelKS | it's some onboard VIA crap |
| 19:17.59 | chops | xingu: Would you be offended if I started playing with these values, following the directions in http://www-didc.lbl.gov/TCP-tuning/linux.html ? |
| 19:18.10 | diafic | Onboard audio isn't as shoddy as everyone makes out that it is |
| 19:18.19 | chops | xingu: I know it's frustrating when you're helping someone debug and they go off on their own little tangent :-) |
| 19:18.23 | xingu | chops: give the tcp_wmem one a shot then restart apache |
| 19:18.45 | themill | SerajewelKS: #alsa will be able to help you more than we can |
| 19:18.45 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: the software mixers don't work ? like alsamixer or aumix ? |
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| 19:19.03 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: you serious about that? and ifso, why? (the --purge webmin) |
| 19:19.14 | simonrvn | yes i am |
| 19:19.17 | simonrvn | ask the bot |
| 19:19.20 | xingu | chops: the other line of inquiry I have is whether *apache* is somehow set to use relatively small windows |
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| 19:19.38 | simonrvn | !tell SpeedyG -about webmin |
| 19:19.49 | abrotman | !tell SpeedyG about huge gaping security issue |
| 19:20.06 | chops | xingu: That actually sounds somewhat plausible; I've never gotten anything repeatable, but I've had a few anecdotal experiences where it seems that different apps display different behavior |
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| 19:20.15 | SpeedyG | ok, clear :) |
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| 19:20.32 | chops | xingu: I've seen apache and perforce go slow, and netcat and scp go fast, under what I believe to be similar conditions, for example |
| 19:20.34 | chops | xingu: "similar" |
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| 19:20.59 | xingu | chops: *nod*; ok; try the tcp_wmem setting, restart httpd, repeat test |
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| 19:21.33 | chops | xingu: No real change |
| 19:21.50 | chlue | Did anyone here tested this game http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/btanks.html, new in unstable? It always crashes on my system around 3s after launch. (Debian64-testing with fglrx-driver) |
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| 19:22.19 | chops | xingu: Again, it was going fast at the start, then slowed down to about 4 megabytes/sec. Is Firefox's progress bar still broken enough to think that the time when it's downloading while the dialog box is open doesn't count, but the bytes it downloads do count? That would be sad. |
| 19:22.49 | xingu | chops: I think so yes; it might be saner to use 'doze ftp as a benchmark if you have an ftpd |
| 19:23.27 | chops | xingu: What a bunch of baloney |
| 19:23.33 | chops | xingu: Yes, I probably should be using netcat or something |
| 19:23.35 | abrotman | chlue: maybe strace it ? check the BTS ? |
| 19:23.56 | xingu | chops: how would you feel about using strace -fp <pid> against the httpd while serving the file? |
| 19:23.58 | chops | xingu: I had hoped to hand this off to the network guys, though... I thought that http transfers would display identical characteristics to netcat transfers. |
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| 19:24.09 | xingu | chops: hah, welcome to my day job |
| 19:24.17 | chops | xingu: Either they don't, though, or something has changed since I ran that test. |
| 19:24.29 | chops | xingu: I would feel fine about running strace against httpd. |
| 19:24.31 | SerajewelKS | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7675982915220014267&hl=en |
| 19:24.39 | SerajewelKS | kaffeeklatsch preview |
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| 19:25.08 | xingu | chops: mostly what interests me is whether apache is using sendfile or write(2) to push data to the client |
| 19:25.39 | xingu | chops: if it's sendfile, good, forget apache; if it's write(2), then what matters is the size of the write, and how long it takes to complete; large write is generally better. |
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| 19:25.54 | SerajewelKS | the quality is pretty horrible though |
| 19:26.10 | chops | xingu: Hm, it looks like it's calling sendfile() on 512k at a time |
| 19:26.13 | chlue | abrotman: I tried gdb, but the output I got is close to nothing. |
| 19:26.17 | chops | xingu: I'll pastebin |
| 19:26.17 | xingu | chops: ouch! |
| 19:26.31 | chops | xingu: Well, maybe I just don't know what I'm seeing |
| 19:26.34 | JoeBlakesley | I think I've blacklisted it but doesn't seem to help |
| 19:26.36 | abrotman | chlue: try a strace or ltrace |
| 19:26.41 | abrotman | it's like stripped |
| 19:26.53 | chops | xingu: http://paste.debian.net/36244 |
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| 19:27.19 | JoeBlakesley | alsaconf gives me "amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device" when I try to install one |
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| 19:27.25 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
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| 19:27.31 | JoeBlakesley | ok thanks |
| 19:27.32 | chops | xingu: That's at a pretty rapid pace; the speed with which those lines show up seems pretty consistent with 512k per call. |
| 19:27.40 | rocketmagnet | hi, are the commands to find out the version number of an .so file ? |
| 19:27.45 | cloakable | anyone know if there's a repo for kde4 packages? :) |
| 19:27.50 | rocketmagnet | of a command to get general header information |
| 19:27.50 | JoeBlakesley | that sounds like what I need |
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| 19:28.16 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, any error? |
| 19:28.50 | JoeBlakesley | nope |
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| 19:29.02 | abrotman | cloakable: ask #debian-kde |
| 19:29.07 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, cat /proc/asound/cards - one or two? |
| 19:29.14 | chops | xingu: Trying netcat. BTW, I ignored my own advice and wandered off on my own and did all of the sysctl tuning it recommended on http://www-didc.lbl.gov/TCP-tuning/linux.html (the four sysctl lines at the top). It didn't help. |
| 19:29.27 | lunk | ~madwifi |
| 19:29.27 | apt | hmm... madwifi is atheros drivers at http://madwifi.sf.net |
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| 19:29.46 | chlue | abrotman: bt from gdb gives only that: http://pastebin.com/d1e6e5fd5 I am sure that is useless for a bugreport. |
| 19:29.49 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, or none? |
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| 19:29.59 | JoeBlakesley | no directory asound in proc |
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| 19:30.43 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, no alsa loaded at all then - you know the name of the module for the audigy? |
| 19:30.59 | xingu | chops: ok here's something really screwey; that pcap you pasted, has the server issuing 11k+ *frames* |
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| 19:31.12 | xingu | chops: what's your current interface mtu on the linux end? |
| 19:31.20 | JoeBlakesley | no; I'm sure I can find it out |
| 19:31.30 | chops | xingu: 1500 |
| 19:31.38 | xingu | chops: maybe just maybe you need to bounce that interface down/ back up? |
| 19:31.47 | xingu | chops: ie ifconfig down/ ifconfig up |
| 19:31.59 | chops | xingu: Hm, will do |
| 19:32.04 | abrotman | chlue: i said to try strace or ltrace |
| 19:32.08 | JoeBlakesley | I think no alsa loaded at all situation is a result of me trying to run alsaconf rather than the bios thing |
| 19:32.08 | abrotman | chlue: those are commands |
| 19:32.33 | chlue | abrotman: yes, but I need to install them first,... |
| 19:32.39 | abrotman | uhm ok |
| 19:32.45 | chops | xingu: Also, my testing with netcat seems to indicate much better performance (28 megabytes/sec)... but that's from watching the ifconfig byte counts rather than watching how much actually gets written to the disk on the client end, so it may not be 100% reliable :-) |
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| 19:33.00 | hyksos | hi, i installed tomcat5.5, now when i try to restart it, it return: error writing to /var/lib/tomcat5.5/logs/catalina_2007-09-04.log ? someone knows why this happens ? |
| 19:33.00 | chops | xingu: I'll bounce the interface, do another http transfer, post the pcap, and go back to playing with netcat |
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| 19:33.26 | JoeBlakesley | the module name is what is shown from the first menu in alsaconf ye? |
| 19:33.31 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, audigy LS? seems it's using snd_ca0106 - modprobe that |
| 19:33.42 | JoeBlakesley | (ca0106) |
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| 19:33.49 | JoeBlakesley | ok |
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| 19:33.55 | JoeBlakesley | thanks for all you are help |
| 19:34.01 | xingu | chops: that's utterly bizarre, I've never seen anything like it |
| 19:34.15 | chops | xingu: You mean that strace? |
| 19:34.20 | xingu | chops: the tcpdump |
| 19:34.23 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, cat /proc/asound/cards - any card listed? |
| 19:35.01 | JoeBlakesley | yep it's listed :-) |
| 19:35.11 | chops | xingu: Hm, another funny thing: |
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| 19:35.20 | chops | xingu: tcpdump: listening on eth0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes |
| 19:35.22 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, ok now run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 19:35.32 | chops | xingu: EN10MB certainly does not sound correct |
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| 19:35.48 | JoeBlakesley | ye |
| 19:35.51 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, then test alsa using aplay <some wav> |
| 19:36.24 | chops | xingu: Uh-oh. mii-tool reports the interface being in 100baseTx-FD mode. |
| 19:36.33 | JoeBlakesley | the card has mutiple outputs and I don't know which is which |
| 19:36.34 | chops | xingu: ethtool reports it as 1000Mb/s. How is that possible? |
| 19:36.39 | JoeBlakesley | trying them now |
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| 19:36.43 | xingu | chops: that (the en10mb from tcpdump) is fine |
| 19:37.06 | xingu | chops: the mii-tool is also fine I think; the mii literally is the 100base transceiver |
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| 19:37.34 | xingu | chops: trust ethtool, in this case mii-tool is misleading. |
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| 19:37.49 | waspius | hi..what is the command for mounting an external cdr?what is its file system? |
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| 19:38.36 | xingu | chops: the thing that's throwing me is watching the Tx end 10.150.150.150 throw out a *19.2k* sized frame and the Rx end then ACK it in 4380byte segments. |
| 19:38.37 | JoeBlakesley | working now thanks a lot |
| 19:38.42 | chops | waspius: Generally it can be auto-detected, but I believe it's iso9660 |
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| 19:38.51 | waspius | chops: thanx |
| 19:38.55 | xingu | chops: the only thing I can think is that this is an artifact of the card doing segmentation offload |
| 19:38.57 | chops | xingu: This is a packet capture on the sending end. |
| 19:38.59 | pumpkin0 | waspius: usually these are emulatied as scsi-devices. So mount /dev/sda /mnt/cd ... |
| 19:39.01 | xingu | chops: in fact that must be it |
| 19:39.05 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, problem still getting things to work at reboot |
| 19:39.21 | JoeBlakesley | oh right ok |
| 19:39.28 | xingu | chops: so the Tx host stack is throwing it whole windows and the card is segmenting it down into ether sized frames, that start to make sense. |
| 19:39.38 | JoeBlakesley | I'll try to reboot some time this eve to test that |
| 19:39.45 | xingu | chops: but still evidently the Rx end is saying that it's recieving 4380byte frames == jumbo. |
| 19:39.52 | JoeBlakesley | ...or maybe I shouldn't ;-) |
| 19:39.57 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, ok good luck |
| 19:40.04 | JoeBlakesley | thanks a lot |
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| 19:40.47 | JoeBlakesley | at least I sort of know what to do in future |
| 19:41.04 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, loading (modprobe) snd_ca0106 was the essential |
| 19:41.13 | chops | xingu: Okay, with tuning on both ends, still transferring at 4 megabytes/sec, after bouncing the interface: http://qix.demiurgestudios.com/~moise/slow-gigabit-1.pcap |
| 19:41.19 | chops | xingu: It dropped some packets this time |
| 19:41.22 | JoeBlakesley | right |
| 19:41.37 | chops | xingu: I mean tcpdump reported some packets dropped by the kernel during the capture; that didn't happen during the first capture |
| 19:41.54 | JoeBlakesley | linux itself is one area of linux I have no idea about :-) |
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| 19:43.20 | SerajewelKS | http://www.chrishowie.com/2007/09/04/kaffeeklatsch-teaser/ |
| 19:43.31 | xingu | chops: ok so this is after tweaking wmem? |
| 19:43.37 | chops | xingu: It is |
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| 19:44.02 | JoeBlakesley | as an aside, is it normal for some apps to ignore what I've set as the default soundcard in sound prefs? |
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| 19:44.19 | JoeBlakesley | that was kinda why I decided to try to dsiable one of the cards |
| 19:44.42 | dante_2core | re |
| 19:44.48 | pumpkin0 | what is the network-monitor for console called again ? I remember bandwidth, bytes so far ... |
| 19:44.48 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ see 3.14 - to make then one you want the default |
| 19:45.06 | JoeBlakesley | right sorry ye you linked to that b4 thanks |
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| 19:45.34 | cahoot | JoeBlakesley, so really no need disabling the onboard |
| 19:45.42 | JoeBlakesley | you've been extremely helpful :-) |
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| 19:46.23 | abrotman | pumpkin0: ntop ? |
| 19:48.21 | xingu | chops: ok try "ifconfig eth0 txqueuelen 1000" and also setting /proc/sys/net/core/netdev_max_backlog to 30000 or so. |
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| 19:48.45 | fdsa | im a hacker |
| 19:48.53 | THEHACKER | im a hacker |
| 19:49.00 | THEHACKER | i can hack all machine connect here |
| 19:49.14 | chops | xingu: My eth0 txqueuelen seems to already be set at 1000. The netdev_max_backlog is only set to 1000 right now, though. |
| 19:49.32 | xingu | chops: apart from that I'm not sure what to suggest beyond trying a different server NIC; linux is certainly pushing the traffic in large gobs down to the hardware, if it's not turning up quickly enough at the far end it smells and quacks like maybe a too-tricky-but-broken hw problem. |
| 19:49.56 | streuner | !ops THEHACKER want to leave us... |
| 19:49.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner complains about: THEHACKER want to leave us... |
| 19:50.02 | xingu | chops: maybe turn off tso with ethtool or something |
| 19:50.16 | THEHACKER | i will hack streuner |
| 19:50.24 | THEHACKER | STFU |
| 19:50.33 | chops | xingu: I'm installing cygwin netcat on the client machine right now, so it'll be a second before I can test. I at least have some things to work on (netcat vs. apache, that retune you recommended, turning off clever offloading options). Thanks very much for all your help. |
| 19:50.33 | THEHACKER | shut the fuck off |
| 19:50.41 | chops | xingu: I'll let you know if I find anything else of interest. |
| 19:50.50 | abrotman | wtf |
| 19:50.52 | xingu | chops: yeah please do, just /msg |
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| 19:51.03 | streuner | thanks LoRez |
| 19:51.03 | ThomasKeppler | Hi! |
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| 19:51.19 | abrotman | LoRez: could you actually ban him? :) |
| 19:51.37 | ThomasKeppler | I Am an German User... |
| 19:51.37 | xingu | chops: I'm pretty sure this is going to turn out to be related to the NIC on the Tx end; if you can back to back two of your XP boxes that'll give you another useful datapoint |
| 19:51.40 | abrotman | !de |
| 19:51.40 | dpkg | from memory, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 19:51.49 | ThomasKeppler | !de ?!? |
| 19:51.49 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 19:51.50 | THEHACKER | LoRez: dont ban me |
| 19:52.05 | chops | xingu: Ah, good idea. I'll check that out as well. |
| 19:52.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@201.254.64.38] by LoRez |
| 19:52.31 | abrotman | !beer LoRez |
| 19:52.32 | xingu | chops: nb you're still getting 3k+ ACK's from the Rx end at least from the viewpoint of this side of that NIC |
| 19:52.40 | jean | does anyone know where does evolution stores its preference files I removed .evolution but I still have all accounts and preferences in evolution the same way it was before |
| 19:52.57 | ThomasKeppler | wat is the German Debian room? |
| 19:53.10 | streuner | the bot (dpkg) already told you |
| 19:53.14 | dante_2core | jean, try and look with gconf-editor |
| 19:53.16 | ThomasKeppler | sorry for my Bat english |
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| 19:53.25 | streuner | #debian.de |
| 19:53.33 | jean | dante_2core: thanks |
| 19:53.33 | ThomasKeppler | >OK! Thank you! |
| 19:53.33 | chops | xingu: Yeah, I understand enough now to see that. It would be interesting to run wireshark on the client end. I still don't know enough to understand a TCP ACK packet, but like I said I have plenty to work on. |
| 19:53.33 | dante_2core | jean, (i^m not sure, just guessing) |
| 19:53.55 | ThomasKeppler | Streuner? You are german or nothing? |
| 19:54.06 | ThomasKeppler | *not |
| 19:54.16 | streuner | ThomasKeppler: german, lot of germans are here |
| 19:54.23 | abrotman | ThomasKeppler: if you want to speak german .. try #debian.de |
| 19:54.36 | loca|host | anyone can tell about those authentication processes installed in public wifi places ? when you get a webpage to authenticate before getting in ... anyone can tell me how it is done ? |
| 19:54.47 | ThomasKeppler | okay ciao! |
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| 19:55.15 | dante_2core | loca|host, i think automated redirection |
| 19:55.21 | dante_2core | with php or something |
| 19:55.25 | dante_2core | (guessing, again) |
| 19:55.49 | xingu | chops: gotta run - good luck. |
| 19:56.13 | loca|host | dante_2core, not about that redirection, it seems there's a proxy underwear :) |
| 19:56.18 | chops | xingu: Thanks. And thanks again for all your help. |
| 19:56.18 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: you are proably right about ntop, but it just kills itself with "Hangup"... thanks for the pointer, i will dig into that. |
| 19:56.40 | dante_2core | loca|host, :D maybe a server between the network and the router which acts as block for non-authenticated users |
| 19:56.52 | dante_2core | even i could do that if i took the time |
| 19:58.20 | dante_2core | loca|host, i used to wonder how that is done too. |
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| 19:58.36 | dante_2core | but it has to be something like that. it's simple and efficient |
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| 19:59.29 | abrotman | pumpkin0: i like jnettop too |
| 20:00.06 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: is it light on RAM and CPU ? |
| 20:00.11 | abrotman | i guess |
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| 20:00.12 | SpeedyG | dante_2core: router with iptables, anything thats not recognised doesnt get through but gets an authentication page.. once authenticated, you can use the network :) |
| 20:00.30 | dante_2core | SpeedyG, that's gotta be one hell of a router then, doesn't it? |
| 20:00.36 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: only one way to find out. thanks. |
| 20:00.43 | waspius | can someone explain this to me?i get this error all the time..http://pastebin.com/m56d6eb41 |
| 20:00.43 | SpeedyG | dante_2core: linux box acting as a router |
| 20:00.46 | SpeedyG | not much to it :) |
| 20:00.48 | dante_2core | SpeedyG, i see |
| 20:01.16 | SpeedyG | one of my friends once set up such a system for a small hotel |
| 20:01.21 | waspius | for some reason during the burning process my external cd-r gets disconnected or something |
| 20:01.47 | dante_2core | waspius, disconnected in what way? |
| 20:01.50 | dante_2core | does the burning stop? |
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| 20:02.25 | waspius | dante_2core: yes the burning stops and i get that error..and if i look in my devices it is unmounted and lost |
| 20:02.35 | dante_2core | what's the exact error? |
| 20:02.39 | waspius | i need to switch it off and on again so it can be remounted |
| 20:02.48 | pumpkin0 | waspius: does "dmesg" say anything about it ? |
| 20:03.24 | dante_2core | waspius, did you make sure it's got enough power? |
| 20:03.37 | dante_2core | that it uses a fully powered usb plug? |
| 20:03.40 | waspius | pumpkin0: i am checking now |
| 20:03.46 | waspius | dante_2core: what do you mean? |
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| 20:04.10 | dante_2core | waspius, lots of hubs or mainboards are equipped with some usb ports that do not provide the full voltage |
| 20:04.29 | dante_2core | and if your external burner needs more power than the usb plug supplies, the connection will break down i guess |
| 20:04.32 | waspius | dante_2core: well i never had that problem before..i could do everything normally |
| 20:04.39 | dante_2core | waspius, ok then |
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| 20:04.43 | dante_2core | check dmesg then :D |
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| 20:06.50 | dante_2core | btw |
| 20:06.51 | dante_2core | offtopic |
| 20:06.55 | waspius | well this is some information is gives..http://pastebin.com/m35d530ea if u can understand what it means |
| 20:07.07 | dante_2core | can anyone tell me what the official forum of debian is? |
| 20:07.16 | Sebboh | "No manual entry for debconf in section 7". How do I fix that? |
| 20:07.36 | dante_2core | ahmn waspius |
| 20:07.51 | dante_2core | Sebboh, look for debconf-doc or something |
| 20:08.12 | dante_2core | waspius, you are aware that you don't have to mount a cd to burn it, right? |
| 20:08.19 | Sebboh | dante_2core: I don't know about a forum, but there are mailing lists and a wiki, both hosted on debian.org. I find http://www.google.com/search?q=site:debian.org to be very useful. |
| 20:08.31 | waspius | dante_2core: yes..i just insert the cd and burn |
| 20:08.33 | dante_2core | Sebboh, thanks |
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| 20:08.45 | dante_2core | waspius, that dmesg output, is that before or after the error? |
| 20:08.47 | SpeedyG | !tell dante_2core about forum |
| 20:08.50 | Sebboh | thanks dante_2core. |
| 20:08.59 | waspius | dante_2core: i believe after |
| 20:09.07 | dante_2core | thank you SpeedyG |
| 20:09.24 | SpeedyG | yw :) |
| 20:09.31 | dante_2core | waspius, did that burner work before in linux? |
| 20:09.39 | waspius | dante_2core: yes |
| 20:09.40 | dante_2core | if yes, what changed since then? |
| 20:09.52 | dante_2core | don't say nothing :D |
| 20:10.01 | waspius | dante_2core: well one day it started giving me that error..where it stops and gets lost |
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| 20:10.07 | dante_2core | humn |
| 20:10.14 | dante_2core | does it burn up to a certain percentage |
| 20:10.15 | waspius | can it be a hardware issue? |
| 20:10.20 | dante_2core | or not even really begin? |
| 20:10.38 | pumpkin0 | waspius: did you buy other CD-Rs / DVD-Rs ? |
| 20:10.41 | waspius | well othertimes is goes 10% others more than half it depends |
| 20:10.55 | waspius | pumpkin0: i have been using these dvds for ages |
| 20:11.14 | waspius | is it possible that my usb ports are damaged? |
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| 20:11.26 | dante_2core | waspius, try different oney |
| 20:11.28 | dante_2core | ones* |
| 20:11.39 | dante_2core | and try different devices on that port |
| 20:11.44 | pumpkin0 | waspius: does that drive have a separted power cord ? |
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| 20:11.57 | waspius | well i only have 3 and i have tried 2 of them..my external hard drive faces no problems |
| 20:12.04 | waspius | pumpkin0: no |
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| 20:12.19 | waspius | pumpkin0: yes..it does sorry |
| 20:12.19 | Sebboh | if I do dpkg-reconfigure -p low <package>, that will show me MORE configuration questions than -p critical, right? |
| 20:12.26 | pumpkin0 | waspius: it draws all the power via USB ? |
| 20:12.27 | dante_2core | waspius, then make sure it's plugged |
| 20:12.34 | waspius | :S |
| 20:12.37 | waspius | it is plugged |
| 20:12.41 | dante_2core | ok good |
| 20:12.55 | dante_2core | then, do a lsusb -vvv and pastebin it |
| 20:12.55 | waspius | but the device does not turn off |
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| 20:13.56 | waspius | dante_2core: http://pastebin.com/m6b375ce0 |
| 20:14.11 | dante_2core | brb |
| 20:14.17 | Sebboh | waspius: uh, how old is the burner? I haven't been reading about your question.. But, offhand, I'd point out that burners have a lifespan. Everyone I've ever had has just stopped working after some time. ..Except my old trusty HP 4x burner. =) I've got it in my PC now because my DVD burner burned out. |
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| 20:15.01 | dante_2core | waspius, you got 4 usb plugs as i see |
| 20:15.08 | waspius | Sebboh: i have it for 3 years approx maybe less..but the prob is that it stops writing during burning |
| 20:15.20 | waspius | dante_2core: no..i only have 3 |
| 20:15.32 | dante_2core | ok |
| 20:15.35 | EvilGuru | Is there a package for xcache or eaccelerator? |
| 20:15.36 | dante_2core | humn |
| 20:15.37 | Sebboh | waspius: one might be internal, you know, pin headers on the mobo. |
| 20:15.41 | dante_2core | that's a little weird |
| 20:15.57 | dante_2core | but all your usb plugs seem alright |
| 20:16.11 | Sebboh | dante_2core: one might be internal, you know, pin headers on the mobo. |
| 20:16.19 | dante_2core | Sebboh, i see |
| 20:16.29 | dante_2core | Sebboh, |
| 20:16.45 | dante_2core | maxpower 0mA |
| 20:16.47 | dante_2core | is that normal? |
| 20:16.54 | waspius | well it is either my motherboard that has the problem either the device..but i think it is the motherboard cause i had such problems a couple of years ago..but not to this extent..now i cannot burn a cd at all |
| 20:17.11 | waspius | dante_2core: i dont know |
| 20:17.26 | dante_2core | waspius, reading goes well? |
| 20:17.30 | pumpkin0 | dante_2core: nearly no chips ever declare the power they need, so it's 0mA all the time ... |
| 20:17.36 | dante_2core | try coping huge files off a cd with that thing |
| 20:17.48 | waspius | dante_2core: yeah but i dont really understand what it says |
| 20:17.51 | dante_2core | pumpkin0, one of my usb things says 500mA max |
| 20:18.06 | Sebboh | I have a question.. I want to configure mysql to listen on all interfaces, however, when I go to edit /etc/mysql/debian.cnf, I find a message that tells me not to touch this file. Uh... Ok, what is the debian way? I tried dpkg-reconfigure -p low mysql-server-5.0, but it didn't ask me what interfaces it should listen on. |
| 20:18.07 | dante_2core | waspius, i mean, copying big files off a cd |
| 20:18.14 | waspius | dante_2core: ok i will try |
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| 20:18.32 | dante_2core | is it a notebook? |
| 20:18.39 | Sebboh | dante_2core: sorry, I don't know much about USB. |
| 20:18.39 | waspius | yes |
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| 20:19.36 | Sebboh | OH, it's a notebook? Scratch my theory about extra internal USB ports. =) Although, it's still possible that there would be an extra one on the bus for an option like bluetooth. (probably doesn't matter either way.) |
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| 20:20.02 | dante_2core | Sebboh, it's fine, me neither :D |
| 20:20.19 | edistar | can I burn .dmgs in linux? |
| 20:20.33 | SpeedyG | Sebboh: why do you want to edit debian.cnf while the mysql config is in my.cnf ? :) |
| 20:20.33 | dante_2core | waspius, if you can copy tons of things off a cd (which uses a lot of power) it prolly won't be a power issue |
| 20:21.09 | waspius | the same happens in windows some times |
| 20:21.10 | Sebboh | SpeedyG: Dunno! Well, debian.cnf specifies localhost.. It should know better! |
| 20:21.12 | krazykit | edistar, not to my knowledge, but some dmg files can be converted to iso with dmg2iso (some perl script on google) |
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| 20:21.30 | fastputty | how do i get the computer spec on debian? |
| 20:21.40 | SpeedyG | Sebboh: afaik, debian.cnf is only for internal maintenance, my.cnf is for listing listening ports etc |
| 20:21.50 | Sebboh | waspius: What is the error? SeekComplete blah blah ? |
| 20:21.51 | dante_2core | fastputty, look in /proc |
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| 20:22.10 | SpeedyG | Sebboh: so go edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf instead of debian.cnf :) |
| 20:22.21 | dante_2core | fastputty, or use some GUI tool like hardinfo |
| 20:22.25 | Sebboh | fastputty: if you only shelled into boxes you own you might know the machine's specs. |
| 20:22.31 | waspius | Sebboh: http://pastebin.com/m56d6eb41 |
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| 20:22.37 | jelly-home | fastputty: I like lshw |
| 20:22.41 | Sebboh | SpeedyG: thanks! |
| 20:22.51 | waspius | Sebboh: http://pastebin.com/m56d6eb41 |
| 20:22.54 | dante_2core | jelly-home, good program. i like it too. |
| 20:23.09 | pupi120290 | I need gtk-2.10-dev. i cant find that package. |
| 20:23.11 | streuner | !find dmg2iso |
| 20:23.12 | jelly-home | !what's my hardware |
| 20:23.13 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 20:23.37 | fastputty | Sebboh:i am using shell command only, is there a way to get my computer spectre? |
| 20:23.57 | dante_2core | waspius, how did you get that info there? |
| 20:24.02 | Sebboh | fastputty: like I said.. |
| 20:24.08 | streuner | edistar: dmg2iso looks promising |
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| 20:24.16 | waspius | dante_2core: it was the outcome of nero |
| 20:24.20 | dante_2core | i see |
| 20:24.22 | dante_2core | nero linux? |
| 20:24.25 | waspius | yes |
| 20:24.28 | Sebboh | waspius: what does your syslog say from around 20:57 your time? |
| 20:24.45 | waspius | but the same happened with gnome software...so i said i would try another to check |
| 20:25.11 | dante_2core | uhm, guys, i gotta go :( good luck waspius with your burner, i'll be back tomorrow if i'm needed... |
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| 20:25.45 | dante_2core | gnite everyone! |
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| 20:26.00 | SpeedyG | waspius: do you have the option of getting the burner out of the usb-case and put it in a computer directly, by trying that you could confirm if the drive's working properly or not :) |
| 20:26.04 | fastputty | so, there no way to get the computer spect trough shell? O_O |
| 20:26.10 | Sebboh | waspius: the burner fail might have caused a log entry in the syslog. |
| 20:26.34 | SpeedyG | !tell fastputty about what's my hardware |
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| 20:26.44 | abrotman | fastputty: you want what ? |
| 20:26.49 | x_link | DawnLight: Heey man! |
| 20:26.50 | waspius | why can i only see untill 20:58? |
| 20:26.52 | Sebboh | fastputty: This is #debian, not #shellz, please don't ask for techsupport on hardware that you do not own. |
| 20:26.58 | streuner | edistar: but thats a Mac tool |
| 20:27.09 | abrotman | !tell fastputty about whats my hardware |
| 20:27.20 | streuner | edistar: for what do you need that at all? |
| 20:27.34 | SpeedyG | abrotman: poor fastputty, being overwhelmed by !whats my hardware twice ;) |
| 20:28.17 | abrotman | SpeedyG: maybe if he'd have read it the first time |
| 20:28.23 | simonrvn | "poor" fastputty, clueless even after he started |
| 20:28.30 | abrotman | enouf: don't you have anything better to do ? |
| 20:28.34 | SpeedyG | oh, wait, make that 'three times' ;) |
| 20:29.01 | waspius | Sebboh: this is all my log entry http://pastebin.com/m76b8410d |
| 20:29.02 | simonrvn | poor fastputty, a skript kiddie with nowhere to go |
| 20:29.11 | SpeedyG | hehe simonrvn :) |
| 20:29.38 | waspius | SpeedyG: well i do have that option however i have no desktop computer available |
| 20:30.22 | Sebboh | ahhh, waspius, look for the older syslog entries in syslog.0 or whatever. It rotates when the file gets to a certain size. (or at a certain time, or something.) |
| 20:30.27 | waspius | should i try in windows and see what happens there?if it fails again we know it is not a linux problem..and then i need to check whether it is a motherboard prob or a cdr prob |
| 20:30.33 | jelly-home | simonrvn: there are legitimate reasons to not know hw specs, though |
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| 20:30.42 | waspius | Sebboh: oh ok |
| 20:30.56 | simonrvn | jelly-home: sure, but he smells like a script kiddie to me |
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| 20:31.24 | nvz | hmm I just opened 26 images from the same folder in gimp and edited them all saved but one keeps saying plugin could not save image o.O |
| 20:31.28 | jelly-home | simonrvn: I've got a cold. :-) |
| 20:31.36 | nvz | even when I tried to save it as a different non-existant filename |
| 20:31.39 | Sebboh | jelly-home: shrug I smelled him when he walked in, and when I mentioned the word 'shell', used in a certain way, he used it, too. It's part of his working vocabulary. :) |
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| 20:31.48 | simonrvn | jelly-home: hehehe :). hope you get better fast and well |
| 20:31.55 | Sebboh | nvz, file permissions on that one file. |
| 20:32.02 | Sebboh | nvz, OH, I dunno. |
| 20:32.04 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: true, I usually take a knoppix disk to check the hardware in boxes that are brought to me for reinstall ;) |
| 20:32.09 | nvz | Sebboh: I ruled that out by saving as a different name |
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| 20:32.14 | nvz | Sebboh: its weird |
| 20:32.19 | waspius | Sebboh: it is stuck..it keeps on saying the same thing |
| 20:32.30 | waspius | i tried cat syslog.0 |
| 20:32.31 | Sebboh | nvz, copy to a new image. |
| 20:32.33 | DustyBin | simonrvn: i forgot what you said about my chroot not showing root but 0 0 for ownership of the files, what am i missing? |
| 20:32.38 | streuner | edistar: wget http://blinkenlights.ch/gnupod/dmg2iso.pl |
| 20:32.43 | nvz | Sebboh: I;m gonna close it and open again see if it still does it |
| 20:32.48 | simonrvn | DustyBin: a working NSS |
| 20:32.54 | DustyBin | aye thats the one :D |
| 20:32.57 | Sebboh | waspius: uhm.. get the midnight commander. |
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| 20:33.04 | waspius | Sebboh: this is what i get all the time Sep 4 00:31:19 DeBiAn kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 20:33.08 | waspius | Sep 4 00:31:19 DeBiAn kernel: loop0: rw=0, want=692308, limit=200866 |
| 20:33.18 | waspius | those two lines all the time |
| 20:33.32 | nvz | or maybe I wont.. fucker corrupted the file.. heh |
| 20:33.35 | waspius | Sebboh: what is the midnight commander? |
| 20:33.40 | simonrvn | loop0, looks like a loop mounted thingy gone nuts |
| 20:33.43 | nvz | I now got 3 copies of the file all 0 bytes |
| 20:33.46 | SpeedyG | waspius: file-browser |
| 20:33.50 | simonrvn | !info midnight commander |
| 20:34.02 | simonrvn | er |
| 20:34.22 | SpeedyG | !info mc |
| 20:34.25 | simonrvn | !info mc |
| 20:34.25 | dpkg | mc: (midnight commander - a powerful file manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:4.6.1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 2066 kB, Installed size: 5344 kB |
| 20:34.28 | SpeedyG | :) |
| 20:34.32 | simonrvn | doh! |
| 20:34.37 | waspius | lol |
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| 20:34.37 | SpeedyG | gheh |
| 20:34.41 | simonrvn | 5 hours sleep =) |
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| 20:34.56 | SpeedyG | figures ;0 |
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| 20:34.58 | simonrvn | *dzzt* *brain fry* *dzzt* |
| 20:35.20 | SpeedyG | !coffee simonrvn |
| 20:35.43 | simonrvn | oooh ty. after i come back though =;) |
| 20:35.46 | waspius | it looks nice |
| 20:35.47 | SpeedyG | :> |
| 20:35.49 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 20:35.55 | simonrvn | waspius: it is nice |
| 20:36.17 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 20:36.25 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 20:36.31 | waspius | anw..i will try with another device and if it works it is the device..otherwise it will be the pc |
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| 20:36.36 | DustyBin | simonrvn: what one of these do i need in my chroot: libnss-mdns libnss3-0d |
| 20:36.39 | waspius | thanx allot for the help!! |
| 20:36.52 | waspius | i always learn new things in here:D |
| 20:37.08 | SpeedyG | waspius: thats one of the reasons why I constantly idle here ;) |
| 20:37.14 | SpeedyG | (and in some other chans) |
| 20:37.15 | waspius | :) |
| 20:37.26 | nvz | weird.. it would not let me save that image no way no how.. until I copied it and pasted it as a new image. |
| 20:37.33 | simonrvn | DustyBin: neither, do you have /etc/nsswitch.conf in there? |
| 20:37.38 | nvz | wasn't out of space or file permissions so I have no idea |
| 20:37.51 | DustyBin | no ill copy it now |
| 20:38.04 | simonrvn | that'll help ;) |
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| 20:38.19 | simonrvn | really afk now |
| 20:38.35 | jelly-home | simonrvn: nah it's just a virtual cold, can't smell kiddies |
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| 20:38.46 | DustyBin | ok i copied that but ownership is still 0 0 |
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| 20:40.11 | nvz | me wonders why he is swapping at 42% when he has 21% ram used by programs and 10% cache |
| 20:40.13 | simonrvn | well, the numbers are what the os uses, the names are just for the lazy humans |
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| 20:42.13 | tip | selam.. how can i mount a ntfs disk on fstab?? |
| 20:42.36 | jelly-home | tip: you want read-only or read-write? |
| 20:42.49 | SpeedyG | ro, i'd say.. |
| 20:43.09 | tip | jelly-home: rw |
| 20:43.25 | jelly-home | tip: ro is safer |
| 20:44.19 | phizeek | does the debian-40r1-i386-netinst image come with 2.6.x kernel? |
| 20:44.19 | jelly-home | tip: install ntfs-3g, then use something like ntfs-3g#/dev/sda1/winfusedefaults,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=02200 |
| 20:44.52 | phizeek | i can't use my old debian cd for an install, the 2.4 kernel doesnt have the module for my usb ethernet |
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| 20:44.57 | jelly-home | tip: that's the fstab line. ntfs-3g#/dev/ntfs-partition-device ... |
| 20:45.09 | gnudov | Hello |
| 20:45.11 | x86i | stupid question: Can someone point me to the proper place to turn shell highlighting back on? I have debian 4 installed and I cannot for the life of me remember how to get colored text back on. |
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| 20:45.26 | sakalr | hi :) |
| 20:45.28 | tip | jelly-home: ok im try now.. ty |
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| 20:48.04 | SpeedyG | phizeek: afaik it does, but I had to use the full-install cd for my box because the intel e1000 nic wasnt supported in the net-install cd somehow :/ |
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| 20:49.12 | gnudov | You can recomends laptops ? |
| 20:49.22 | wols | !laptop |
| 20:49.22 | dpkg | [laptop] All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 20:49.33 | gnudov | ThinkPad ? |
| 20:49.42 | fastputty | smeone could help me i cannot update the apt.. 0% [Connecting to http.us.debian.org (35.9.37.225)] and it kinda not responding |
| 20:49.48 | gnudov | Hp, Toshiba, ThinkPad, Dell ? |
| 20:49.49 | DustyBin | everytime i log into my chroot, my auth.log says 'PAM-env[4319]: Unable to open config file: No such file or directory' could this be down to a missing library? |
| 20:49.56 | fastputty | how can i swithc to another ip dns on the same dns |
| 20:50.16 | jelly-home | fastputty: do you have any debian specific questions? |
| 20:50.19 | DustyBin | /etc/recolv.conf |
| 20:50.26 | wols | DustyBin: sounds like /etc/pam.conf or /etc/pam.d/ |
| 20:50.28 | DustyBin | resolv |
| 20:50.52 | DustyBin | ill double check |
| 20:50.58 | sakalr | I'm got laptop hp nc6400 and install Debian etch. It's very well installed and all devices fine, exapte one - wi-fi card (Intel 3945ABG) I try to use ipw3945d, but got a message, that module is not loaded |
| 20:51.01 | tip | jelly-home: i intalled ntfs-3g but "debian:/home/tip# mount /dev/sda1 -t ntfs-g3 /media/deli" does not run |
| 20:51.21 | sakalr | in /proc/modules this modul is set |
| 20:51.29 | fastputty | jelly-home: i apt-get update, 0% [Connecting to http.us.debian.org (35.9.37.225)] and it not responding, but when i ping http.us.debian.org, it give me another ip and it respond to my ping.. |
| 20:51.33 | jelly-home | tip: I didn't say to run that, and that's now what you asked first... |
| 20:51.43 | sakalr | any one know what I need to do with that? |
| 20:52.13 | jelly-home | tip: use ntfs-3g binary to mount interactively |
| 20:52.36 | jelly-home | tip: also, put yourself into group fuse if you want to mount as user |
| 20:53.16 | DustyBin | wols: i copied the pam.d into the chroot but it still errors |
| 20:53.19 | jelly-home | tip: fuse filesystems usually have separate binaries for mounting |
| 20:53.49 | DustyBin | i wish the log would give me more detail :( |
| 20:54.02 | DustyBin | i wonder if there is a PAM debug |
| 20:54.10 | sakalr | м |
| 20:54.13 | sakalr | Ñ |
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| 20:54.26 | jelly-home | fastputty: if you want to force one specific ip, you can add it to /etc/hosts "ip.ad.re.ss hostname.domain" |
| 20:54.28 | sakalr | dpkg help |
| 20:55.20 | jelly-home | !ru |
| 20:55.21 | dpkg | hmm... ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 20:56.33 | themill | !tell sakalr about ipw3945 |
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| 20:58.04 | simonrvn | fuck i hate this: "do you have air miles card?" NO I DON'T NOW STOP ASKING ME. |
| 20:58.13 | DevideZero | there are other good dests based on ubuntu except k\ubuntu ? |
| 20:58.30 | simonrvn | xubuntu |
| 20:58.43 | themill | knoppix |
| 20:58.46 | wols | DevideZero: wrong channel. there is only one good distro and it's called debian (at least in this channel) |
| 20:58.58 | simonrvn | the only real difference is that they use a different desktop. and it's very OT |
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| 20:59.15 | DevideZero | where i can ask question like this ? |
| 20:59.18 | chops | Is there an easy way to make apache serve device nodes as if they were normal files? |
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| 20:59.26 | simonrvn | so "better" is not only irrelevant, it's offtopic and nonsense |
| 20:59.27 | chops | I want to read from /dev/zero via apache for a network test |
| 20:59.46 | x86i | stupid question: Can someone point me to the proper place to turn shell highlighting back on? I have debian 4 installed and I cannot for the life of me remember how to get colored text back on. |
| 20:59.48 | simonrvn | chops: no you don't |
| 21:00.00 | simonrvn | chops: not wise |
| 21:00.03 | chops | simonrvn: I assure you that I do :-) |
| 21:00.03 | themill | DevideZero: there are a few dozen |
| 21:00.22 | simonrvn | chops: i assure you that it's unwise |
| 21:00.45 | simonrvn | x86i: such as? |
| 21:00.52 | wikichuck | ok time to troubleshoot my mailserver |
| 21:01.03 | wols | chops: create a php file that spits out endless stuff |
| 21:01.20 | x86i | simonrvn: You know how bash can highlight certain file types. Blue for directories, etc. Where is that configured? |
| 21:01.20 | chops | simonrvn: Why is it unwise? Also, is there an easy way to do it regardless of its wisdom? |
| 21:01.27 | chops | wols: Ah, that's a great idea. |
| 21:01.34 | wols | x86i: ls --color |
| 21:02.10 | stoned | umm... |
| 21:02.11 | simonrvn | x86i: enabling colour in ls you mean |
| 21:02.11 | wols | x86i: a bash alias usually |
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| 21:02.11 | simonrvn | x86i: look up your .bashrc, and uncomment stuff |
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| 21:02.13 | stoned | I don't know about device nodes, but I sometimes bind my ~/media to my public_html/media |
| 21:02.24 | stoned | I still wouldnt' want to serve devices nodes in apahe |
| 21:02.26 | stoned | thats just dumb. |
| 21:03.03 | simonrvn | chops: many reasons, and i don't have the patience right now to enumerate them |
| 21:03.21 | abrotman | x86i: as root or a user ? |
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| 21:03.38 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.38 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.49 | simonrvn | color=auto is wiser |
| 21:03.53 | stoned | i added -h but i mean basically there you have it |
| 21:03.55 | stoned | auto why? |
| 21:03.55 | chops | simonrvn: Hey, thanks! You're a peach. I'm going back to work now. Kisses. |
| 21:04.14 | simonrvn | chops: no i'm a strawberry |
| 21:04.21 | x86i | abrotman: As root, and as a normal user. |
| 21:04.28 | abrotman | ls --color |
| 21:04.46 | simonrvn | chops: and i don't kiss people i don't know |
| 21:05.18 | tip | jelly-home: i didnt understand.. im not know english well.. what i have to do?? |
| 21:05.20 | stoned | i like goats |
| 21:05.28 | stoned | simonrvn: why is auto better? |
| 21:05.29 | amphi | tasty |
| 21:05.36 | nvz | I like pigeons :p |
| 21:05.47 | simonrvn | stoned: because it'll turn it off when needed |
| 21:05.49 | stoned | hey nvz man dude whats up |
| 21:05.59 | nvz | the national debt |
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| 21:06.06 | simonrvn | the sky |
| 21:06.12 | stoned | simonrvn: why would want to have it turn off |
| 21:06.16 | stoned | i like coors |
| 21:06.19 | stoned | colors* |
| 21:06.31 | nvz | our economy will never recover from GWB talking to god on a two way radio |
| 21:06.52 | stoned | simonrvn: the reason I chose always instead of auto was because with auto, I NEVER get coloring |
| 21:07.00 | stoned | maybe its an issue in sid |
| 21:07.02 | jelly-home | tip: add yourself to group fuse, log out, log in, then do ntfs-3g /dev/XXXX /mount/point |
| 21:07.11 | stoned | but eitherway, i have to use always otherwise i get no colors |
| 21:07.16 | simonrvn | stoned: i get almost all the time |
| 21:07.21 | stoned | simonrvn: sid? |
| 21:07.24 | simonrvn | get it |
| 21:07.30 | simonrvn | using zsh though |
| 21:07.33 | simonrvn | yes |
| 21:07.35 | stoned | im on bash |
| 21:07.36 | stoned | hmm |
| 21:07.38 | simonrvn | anything, really |
| 21:08.02 | simonrvn | chops: go google it, you'll see |
| 21:08.28 | stoned | i just got paid |
| 21:08.35 | nvz | yeah well I only got like $7 |
| 21:08.38 | stoned | and umm. more than half of it going to traffic tickets |
| 21:08.43 | stoned | fucking bullshit |
| 21:08.45 | nvz | heh |
| 21:08.52 | nvz | gotta get the judge on your side |
| 21:09.00 | nvz | politricks |
| 21:09.01 | stoned | 1 parking violation, 2 tickets, matter of 5 hours |
| 21:09.05 | simonrvn | that's what you get for having a car ;) |
| 21:09.06 | stoned | i didn't even wake up and move my car yet |
| 21:09.15 | nvz | thats the problem apparently |
| 21:09.25 | stoned | one guy game me a ticket at night, and few ours later, another cop came and gave me another ticket for the same thing |
| 21:09.29 | stoned | i tried to fight em |
| 21:09.34 | stoned | but they wanna make me pay em both |
| 21:09.42 | stoned | fucking new york and fucking assholes |
| 21:09.43 | chops | simonrvn: If you can't be bothered to explain, I can't be bothered to google. So there. |
| 21:09.45 | simonrvn | other than the fact that they'd legislate breathing into illegality if they could get away with it |
| 21:09.47 | nvz | never heard "I fought the law, and the law won" eh? |
| 21:09.47 | stoned | anyway |
| 21:10.11 | nvz | I don't fight the law, I change it.. heh |
| 21:10.26 | simonrvn | chops: *yawn*. got a better one? |
| 21:10.50 | x86i | simonrvn : Thank you for the help |
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| 21:10.59 | simonrvn | x86i: np |
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| 21:11.04 | nvz | Ed got mad at me for calling him a cop, he said "I'm not a cop, I'm a police officer" heh |
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| 21:12.11 | nvz | My dad told me to tell him we only hire cops, but I didn't say it... I'm not into smarting off to the cops if he wants me to call him a police officer, thats fine by me.. as long as he does his damn job |
| 21:12.22 | bkw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:14.24 | Wyzard | bkw: All the service scripts in /etc/init.d/ use "start" and "stop" options, and yes, they're given automatically when changing runlevels |
| 21:14.29 | DustyBin | i was missing: pam_env.conf |
| 21:14.36 | DustyBin | from the chroot! |
| 21:14.44 | DustyBin | pam has about 3/4 config files :-S |
| 21:15.44 | DustyBin | there are now no errors in my auth.log but the ownership still looks like this |
| 21:15.48 | DustyBin | drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 Sep 4 15:22 bin |
| 21:15.52 | DustyBin | 0 0 .. |
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| 21:17.19 | Wyzard | DustyBin: Missing /etc/passwd and /etc/group maybe? |
| 21:17.27 | DustyBin | no i got those |
| 21:17.48 | Bogus8 | My UPS didn't make it through a power outage and now fdisk -l says "md0 doesn't contain a valid partition table" |
| 21:17.55 | Wyzard | in the chroot, that is |
| 21:18.06 | Bogus8 | I've run fsck -f on it and it's clean |
| 21:18.17 | Bogus8 | checked each drive through fdisk and they all look good |
| 21:18.34 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Is it a Linux software RAID array, or a dmraid "hardware" RAID? |
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| 21:18.47 | tip | jelly-home: i did it.. THANK YOU WERY MUCH |
| 21:18.47 | Bogus8 | I've even mounted it on a live cd (after using mdadm to detect it) and it was usable |
| 21:18.56 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: software |
| 21:19.44 | Wyzard | Bogus8: If it contains a filesystem, of course it doesn't contain a partition table |
| 21:20.13 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: hmm, it's my / but I am still not understanding what you mean |
| 21:20.14 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Think of the difference between /dev/hda and /dev/hda1 |
| 21:20.28 | Bogus8 | but shouldn't it still have a partition table on it? |
| 21:20.31 | boulbul | Hi, I am having a problem on my system. Previously I was able to connect usb devices without the need to mount the device from the root access. for some reason I can not do that anymore... can anyone please help. I am using debian etch. thanks |
| 21:20.31 | Wyzard | A dmraid array would act as a "whole disk", like /dev/hda, so you'd need to partition it |
| 21:20.49 | Wyzard | A software RAID array is typically built from disk partitions, and used as a partition |
| 21:21.03 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: right, it says md0 is invalid.. which is the "group" of them |
| 21:21.16 | Bogus8 | individually they look ok |
| 21:21.28 | Bogus8 | the reason I even looked is because on reboot the system halted saying that error |
| 21:21.37 | Wyzard | What would you expect fdisk to say if you ran "fdisk -l /dev/hda1"? |
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| 21:21.53 | Bogus8 | I don't think it runs there |
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| 21:22.05 | Wyzard | but if you did, what do you think fdisk's response would be? |
| 21:22.15 | Bogus8 | Ah, I see what you are saying |
| 21:22.15 | DawnLight | are there logs of whats going on in here? |
| 21:22.18 | ks | is there version on debian ? |
| 21:22.30 | ks | i mean the tool |
| 21:22.31 | Wyzard | Partitions contain filesystems, not partition tables |
| 21:22.36 | Bogus8 | md0 is a logical partition OF collections of partitions... so it's not really an independant partition |
| 21:22.41 | Wyzard | Similarly, your RAID array contains a filesystem, not a partition table |
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| 21:23.00 | Bogus8 | So, why did the system halt on reboot after the power outage? |
| 21:23.07 | Wyzard | You can make partitionable arrays -- the partitions get names like /dev/md0p1 or something like that -- but yours isn't one of them |
| 21:23.10 | Bogus8 | giving that message as the reason |
| 21:23.15 | bkw | How do I change the system lang to default C? At the moment I get http://pastebin.ca/681517 which doesn't look good. |
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| 21:23.41 | Wyzard | Bogus8: dunno, I can't think of anything at startup that would try to run "fdisk -l" on a RAID array |
| 21:23.43 | Lapmann | I have this debian etch (I guess) running on a sparc64-platform. whenever I use "date -s" the whole system would freeze and I have to go to the service console and reboot it. any ideas why? |
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| 21:24.04 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: I'll fire it up again and see the EXACT wording... *IF* it even halts again :) |
| 21:25.12 | Seiya` | sera a tutti. |
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| 21:27.38 | simonrvn | chops: btw, telling you to go google it wasn't to brush you off. you took as such, and that's your fucking loss. i wasn't forced to help you, and i told you it wasn't a good idea (there's other ways of doing what you want without opening up that machine to a security hole FFS). if you have a problem with that, fine by me, i don't care. |
| 21:27.59 | simonrvn | and with that, go fuck yourself chops. *plonk* |
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| 21:30.13 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 21:30.40 | DustyBin | You can debug all these issues if you use the debug keyword in the /etc/pam.d/ssh PAM definition. If you encounter issues you might find it useful to enable the debugging mode on the ssh client too. |
| 21:30.55 | DustyBin | what is the 'debug' keyword? |
| 21:31.37 | simonrvn | exactly that, you put debug on a relevant line |
| 21:31.54 | DustyBin | i tried it on a line on its own, but it gave errors |
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| 21:32.41 | tip | jelly-home: i wrote "ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/deli" on console, and i opened my windows disk.. but i cant edit fstab file.. what i write this file.. |
| 21:32.42 | simonrvn | well, it's not supposed to be used alone ;) |
| 21:32.48 | DustyBin | ok |
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| 21:34.03 | bkw | hmm in dpkg-reconfigure locales , I can't find C as a option |
| 21:34.06 | DustyBin | i think ive finally eliminated most of the problems, if i use /bin/bash, i can ssh and sftp into my chroot ok. if i use /bin/rssh, ssh is blocked as its supposed to be, but when i try and connect in using sftp, it passes the PAM system ok, but the connection instantly drops |
| 21:34.08 | abrotman | wtf .. tea ? |
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| 21:34.57 | simonrvn | sftp probably has some thing that rssh or rbash doesn't give it, or soemthing (at a glance) |
| 21:35.22 | DustyBin | ill take a look |
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| 21:35.58 | dalias | bkw, C locale shouldn't be used except for LC_COLLATE and LC_TIME maybe.. |
| 21:36.24 | dalias | unless someone updates the charset for C locale to be utf-8 but fat chance of that happening... :( |
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| 21:36.45 | victori | where does wine/gnome's menu get set? |
| 21:36.47 | bkw | dalias: http://pastebin.ca/681530 |
| 21:36.55 | victori | locally for a user? |
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| 21:38.19 | zOrK | at the first step of the installation i received an error: couldn´t mount cd , wanna try again?, but the CD is inside and I could try 10 times and it´ll not work |
| 21:38.20 | victori | ah ~/.local/share/* |
| 21:38.43 | DustyBin | This account is restricted by rssh. Allowed commands: scp sftp <-- that bit is working good :D |
| 21:38.45 | tip | jelly-home: what is group fuse |
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| 21:43.03 | zOrK | at the first step of the installation i received an error: couldn´t mount cd , wanna try again?, but the CD is inside and I could try 10 times and it´ll not work |
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| 21:43.44 | Bogus8 | fsck on a four disk raid 5 (software) of 480gigs... it's taking a good bit of time.. that is to be expected? |
| 21:43.46 | linux_jones | anyone know anything about brctrl? |
| 21:44.08 | Bogus8 | disks are probably half full, maybe |
| 21:44.17 | linux_jones | brctl rather |
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| 21:44.48 | chops | Bogus8: I would expect that to take 30-90 minutes depending on the speed of the disks. So, yes. :-) |
| 21:45.01 | simonrvn | Bogus8: doesn't matter what's in them, what matters is the size |
| 21:45.02 | Bogus8 | chops: ok thanks |
| 21:45.16 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: that's what I figured |
| 21:45.37 | Bogus8 | just wanted to know if I should worry that something IS wrong if it's taking so long |
| 21:46.01 | simonrvn | it's just big, expect some time burning |
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| 21:46.32 | simonrvn | i start getting impatient with 15 GB |
| 21:46.45 | simonrvn | (/usr on this thing) |
| 21:46.55 | Bogus8 | fsck actually failed :/ |
| 21:47.11 | rahul | that's why it's called fsck |
| 21:47.16 | Bogus8 | the system booted though, so I'm going to unmount that array and run it again |
| 21:47.23 | rahul | when it fails, you scream "FSCK!!!" |
| 21:47.32 | simonrvn | failed? not running with -y ? :P |
| 21:47.47 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: it ran on boot because it said it had errors |
| 21:47.50 | simonrvn | rahul: FSCK!!! |
| 21:47.51 | Bogus8 | (I had a power outage) |
| 21:47.56 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 21:48.03 | rahul | simonrvn: moo. |
| 21:48.04 | simonrvn | power outage == suckage |
| 21:48.09 | chops | Bogus8: What filesystem? |
| 21:48.14 | Bogus8 | had UPS... it just didn't make it |
| 21:48.18 | Bogus8 | chops: ext3 |
| 21:48.19 | simonrvn | (sometimes ;) |
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| 21:49.02 | chops | Bogus8: Hm, that's odd. ext3 should be able to survive a power outage without fsck failures. Of course, I guess the RAID array could complicate things. |
| 21:49.26 | Bogus8 | chops: and it's software |
| 21:49.42 | Bogus8 | So if I don't put -y will it prompt me or just not complete the fsck? |
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| 21:50.06 | Bogus8 | I'd like it to prompt me just so I can see what it says the errors are |
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| 21:50.37 | simonrvn | means answer yes to all questions. set it in /etc/default/rcS |
| 21:50.42 | Bogus8 | fdsk w/o -f says "clean" but I'm going to force it anyway |
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| 21:51.34 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: ok, in the help or man it just says something like "automatically" fix or something which isn't "say yes" but I could be remembering it wrong |
| 21:51.36 | wikichuck | i'm having a lot of trouble with exim, does anyone here have experience with it? |
| 21:51.44 | chops | !anyone |
| 21:51.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:52.01 | simonrvn | Bogus8: thinking of -a |
| 21:52.08 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: possibly |
| 21:52.27 | Bogus8 | I was fighting this last night and had to bail and I'm just getting in now and picking back up |
| 21:53.20 | wikichuck | okay, whick log files should i post to give you guys the best idea of what's wrong? |
| 21:53.52 | chops | wikichuck: I would recommend describing your problem in general terms first |
| 21:54.12 | Bogus8 | lol |
| 21:54.12 | wikichuck | well, no test emails that i send to myself are actually recieved |
| 21:54.27 | Bogus8 | then the mail logs would be better probably ;) |
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| 21:54.42 | en1gma | anyone here speak russian |
| 21:55.12 | themill | wikichuck: sending to a local address or an external address? |
| 21:55.19 | wikichuck | external |
| 21:55.29 | themill | smarthost? |
| 21:55.33 | zOrK | at the first step of the installation i received an error: couldn´t mount cd , wanna try again?, but the CD is inside and I could try 10 times and it´ll not work |
| 21:55.43 | rahul | anybody want to convert a legacy spreadsheet application to a proper app? |
| 21:55.45 | rahul | heh |
| 21:55.55 | rahul | I have a job req forwarded to me |
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| 21:56.10 | wikichuck | themill: no |
| 21:56.17 | wikichuck | themill: internet site i think it's called |
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| 21:57.19 | iruew | Is there any way I can prevent a module from being automatically loaded at boot? |
| 21:57.29 | pickcoder | !blacklist |
| 21:57.30 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. |
| 21:57.56 | themill | wikichuck: you configured exim not to pass all mail onto another machine (e.g. your isp's mail server) rather to directly deliver to each recipient. |
| 21:57.58 | rahul | it's in modprobe.d? not udev? |
| 21:58.24 | wikichuck | themill: i configured it to send it to the users, i think |
| 21:59.12 | iruew | the rest of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist is filled with "blacklist <modulename>" |
| 21:59.23 | iruew | should I still use "install module_name /bin/true"? |
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| 22:01.04 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 22:01.13 | sag_ich_nicht | not the only one :P |
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| 22:01.54 | themill | wikichuck: ok, so there should be an error message in /var/log/mail.err or /var/log/exim4/mainlog from when you sent the email (tail the files and send another if it's easier) |
| 22:02.00 | Bogus8 | sag_ich_nicht: my default install of postfix does things NO ONES else does! |
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| 22:02.18 | sag_ich_nicht | using exim4 + courier here atm |
| 22:02.25 | sag_ich_nicht | which leads me to my question |
| 22:02.49 | sag_ich_nicht | what is debian using to write "new mail in" messages on the active terminal? doesn't seem to be comsat, and since i changed the mailbox format to maildir, that message is broken :x |
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| 22:03.13 | sag_ich_nicht | it's so trivial i seem to be overlooking it when going over the docs |
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| 22:03.29 | pickcoder | Bogus8: etch? |
| 22:03.39 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: yep |
| 22:03.40 | sag_ich_nicht | (running etch here btw.) |
| 22:03.44 | rhododendron | hello |
| 22:03.54 | pickcoder | it's either a server config or a postfix config problem then |
| 22:03.57 | sag_ich_nicht | (well, "here" as in on another continent, but yeah) |
| 22:04.04 | rhododendron | anyone familiar with linmodems? |
| 22:04.16 | chops | !anyone |
| 22:04.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:04.30 | rhododendron | ok |
| 22:04.32 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: I've reconfigured like 5 times and I honestly can't see any options that I'm setting that would cause it *shrug* |
| 22:04.34 | rhododendron | sorry! :) |
| 22:05.01 | pickcoder | Bogus8: what's the underlying problem |
| 22:05.21 | boulbul | boulbul |
| 22:05.25 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: it sends "successful" satus messages via my ISP |
| 22:05.49 | pickcoder | Bogus8: didn't we talk about this already? |
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| 22:06.06 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: I believe... and I never found an answer :( |
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| 22:06.17 | pickcoder | did you check the mail commands? |
| 22:06.20 | Spiritus55 | How do I add a C compiler to $PATH? |
| 22:06.22 | waspius | well i wanted to let you know that the problem is with my dvd-r as i tried another one and it worked fine |
| 22:06.22 | Bogus8 | several people have looked at my configs and everyone says that it shouldn't be doing that |
| 22:06.26 | pickcoder | IIRC you had cron jobs sending mail |
| 22:06.50 | themill | !b-e Spiritus55 |
| 22:06.50 | dpkg | Spiritus55: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 22:06.57 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: that is one place that I'm doing it... but even from CLI it does it "echo blah |mail -s blah subject email@address.com |
| 22:06.58 | themill | (at a wild guess) |
| 22:07.09 | Spiritus55 | Ok, I'll get it. |
| 22:07.23 | pickcoder | Bogus8: and you're not using special procmail recipes or maildrop? |
| 22:07.32 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm... *repeats himself* what is debian using to write "new mail in" messages on the active terminal? doesn't seem to be comsat, and since i changed the mailbox format to maildir, that message is broken :x |
| 22:07.34 | zOrK | at the first step of the installation i received an error: couldn´t mount cd , wanna try again?, but the CD is inside and I could try 10 times and it´ll not work |
| 22:07.34 | rhododendron | i d/l and ran the scanmodem-tool from http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/. it generated a couple of files. i'm also not very familiar to mailing lists so i wondered if anyone here can assist me in getting my modem to run. |
| 22:07.37 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: non of that is even installed or anything |
| 22:07.51 | pickcoder | postfix does not blindly send out "sucessful delivery" notifications |
| 22:07.59 | themill | !tell sag_ich_nicht about patience |
| 22:08.05 | pickcoder | it's normally requested from the mail command |
| 22:08.25 | pickcoder | Bogus8: and this is a stable package install? |
| 22:08.27 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: I understand, but I've looked high and low... |
| 22:08.32 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: yes sir |
| 22:08.38 | themill | sag_ich_nicht: it depends... there are many different ways of doing it. Bash will do it itself (man bash and search for MAILPATH and MAILCHECK) |
| 22:09.08 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: I don't even think I touched a config on mail (thinks hard as it's been a hell of a past few days) |
| 22:09.19 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm, sounds like it's a shellproblem then. that should be enough to find the proper changes |
| 22:09.44 | pickcoder | Bogus8: you setup manual canonicals last time |
| 22:09.45 | Spiritus55 | themill: after I get that, will it automatically add a C and C++ compiler to $PATH? |
| 22:09.46 | themill | zOrK: is the media ok? |
| 22:09.56 | pickcoder | postconf -n will show only the configs you have changed |
| 22:10.09 | zOrK | themill what do you mean?, how to check? |
| 22:10.12 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: yeah, I've run that a few times |
| 22:10.14 | themill | Spiritus55: yes. That will install both gcc and g++ which will both be in /usr/bin in your $PATH |
| 22:10.15 | zOrK | /mnt/media? |
| 22:10.33 | Spiritus55 | themill: thanks, what is the default gcc? Or is there one? |
| 22:10.38 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: I just noticed it's not doing it now... but I've seen that in the past... so it also almost seems random (though HAPPENING more times than not) |
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| 22:11.02 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: I also have 2 servers that are exhibiting this exact same thing |
| 22:11.23 | jelly-home | sag_ich_nicht: zsh needs a / appended to the paths in MAILPATH if they are directories |
| 22:11.23 | themill | Spiritus55: in etch, the default gcc is 4.1.2; in sid it's 4.2.1 |
| 22:11.40 | Spiritus55 | themill: Why is it not included in $PATH? |
| 22:11.51 | themill | Spiritus55: actually, 4.1.2 prerelease.... |
| 22:11.51 | Bogus8 | my backup script ran last night and emailed me to tell me it was done and it CC's my phone and I didn't get either of those "success" messages... but I tested it just the other day and got one... still in my inbox actually |
| 22:12.27 | themill | Spiritus55: it's not installed by default, that's the only reason it's not in $PATH.... not everything is installed straight away! |
| 22:12.45 | Spiritus55 | themill: thanks, *slaps head* should have figured that. |
| 22:12.51 | themill | :) |
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| 22:13.53 | litage|w | i've just built a perl cpan module into a .tar.gz , but am not sure where it should be extracted to. all of the module's files are within a single directory, User-Utmp-1.8/ . should i extract it to.... /usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/ or /usr/lib/perl5/ or ...? |
| 22:14.04 | pickcoder | Bogus8: postconf notify_classes |
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| 22:14.44 | Bogus8 | I've read a little about those I think... (which things it can send failed, timeout, success?) |
| 22:15.06 | whoppix | litage|w: you should be able to simply install it by typing: "perl Makefile.PL" then "make" then "make test" and then as root "make install" |
| 22:15.11 | dansushi[server] | what is the command that shows you the hard drives and partitions and the space used on all of them? |
| 22:15.25 | pickcoder | run that |
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| 22:16.00 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: I was even gonna edit my "success" template so I could see EXACTLY if it was coming from me or something cox was generating for some reason (though I think they are doing it because postfix tells them to... I turned of local notifications for it) |
| 22:16.01 | themill | litage|w: dh-make-perl can be quite handy too |
| 22:16.30 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: notify_classes = resource, software |
| 22:16.32 | litage|w | whoppix: thanks, i'll try that |
| 22:16.35 | pickcoder | Bogus8: the headers will tell you, if you look at them |
| 22:16.41 | pickcoder | that's fine for typical setup |
| 22:16.49 | stoned | dansushi[server]: df |
| 22:16.55 | litage|w | themill: yeah i've been trying to get dh-make-perl to work, but it keeps failing to build the package |
| 22:16.56 | fasta | Why does Linux tells me I have no acpi support, while my BIOS and the manual of my motherboard say I have? |
| 22:17.02 | dansushi[server] | stoned: thanks |
| 22:17.02 | pickcoder | pastebin the output of postconf -n and your /etc/postfix/master.cf |
| 22:17.03 | fasta | tell* |
| 22:17.05 | stoned | dansushi[server]: another is mount -l |
| 22:17.11 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: no, I KNOW it's coming from postmaster@cox.net... I just wanted to see if postfix was sending it to them and they were forwarding or postfix was just sending them a "flag" or something and cox was generating it |
| 22:17.12 | pickcoder | as well as any maps |
| 22:17.16 | stoned | for mounted drives, and fdisk -l for all the drives |
| 22:17.30 | pickcoder | Bogus8: the return-path will tell you |
| 22:17.32 | themill | litage|w: that's a shame.... what's the package? does it have lots of XS magic in it.... (i.e. missing packages) |
| 22:17.49 | pickcoder | the logs will also tell you |
| 22:17.54 | litage|w | themill: should ``dh-make-perl --build --cpan MODULE_NAME'' be run as root or non-root? |
| 22:18.09 | pickcoder | grep the log file for the subject |
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| 22:18.53 | zOrK | at the first step of the installation i received an error: couldn´t mount cd , wanna try again?, but the CD is inside and I could try 10 times and it´ll not work |
| 22:19.04 | litage|w | themill: i'm trying to build the "user::utmp" module |
| 22:20.41 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: here is postconf -n http://www.pastebin.ca/681571 |
| 22:21.00 | Blwood | I am on a testing distrib and I want to install a sid package, is there an easy way to do this without modifying my sources.list ? |
| 22:21.05 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: here is master.cf http://www.pastebin.ca/681572 |
| 22:21.11 | Lapmann | how can I upgrade a kernel if it keeps being held back? I've got a lot of kernel packages on this system, both kernel- and linux- ... |
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| 22:22.23 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: and I have one canonical map that is my local user name to my real isp email address |
| 22:22.31 | themill | litage|w: normal user should be fine. |
| 22:22.53 | themill | litage|w: Looking at that package, it's got problems and won't compile with recent gcc versions ;( |
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| 22:24.08 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: not sure if this is in anyway related or postfix/mail's fault but I also sometimes get a "SMTP connection refused - MSRS Spam score 98 is above specified threshold (90)" when I send an email to my phone |
| 22:24.31 | litage|w | themill: oh really? hrmmm |
| 22:24.54 | litage|w | themill: btw, i do get "Utmp.xs" errors: http://rafb.net/p/Gbv5kv95.html |
| 22:24.55 | jelly-home | Lapmann: just aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 (or -whatever) manually |
| 22:25.13 | pickcoder | I dunno. I don't have time to sort through it at the moment. bbl |
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| 22:26.26 | fasta | I am experiencing this bug Bug #51591 in acpid (Ubuntu) (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpid/+bug/51591) in Debian. |
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| 22:26.36 | fasta | Has it also been solved in Debian somewhere? |
| 22:27.26 | jelly-home | fasta: usually the launchpad bug refers to a related bug in BTS. Did you check BTS? |
| 22:27.40 | jelly-home | er, s/usually/sometimes/ |
| 22:27.44 | themill | litage|w: I get the same errors with dh-make-perl. But it seems to compile ok from the command line (perl Makefile.PL; make_ |
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| 22:29.20 | fasta | jelly-home: I don't see a link from the Ubuntu page to Debian nor is the bug included in the Debian BTS for the acpid package |
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| 22:29.54 | fasta | "acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Device or resource busy" |
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| 22:30.03 | fasta | That's the message I get. |
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| 22:30.33 | jelly-home | fasta: I guess you'll want to report it yourself, then. *shrug** |
| 22:30.53 | litage|w | themill: thanks, i'll give that a whirl |
| 22:31.08 | fasta | jelly-home: are there statistics on bugs fixed/closed/wontfix/reported/etc? |
| 22:31.31 | autojack | hi. I'm running etch in a system with software RAID 1. one of the drives in my RAID is reporting errors, and the RAID subsystem has taken it offline. but the same drive is used in two arrays, and only one shows failed. can I safely hot-remove it? |
| 22:31.40 | autojack | (my hardware supports hot swap) |
| 22:31.55 | autojack | cat /proc/mdstat shows: |
| 22:31.57 | autojack | Personalities : [raid1] |
| 22:31.58 | autojack | md1 : active raid1 sda2[2](F) sdb2[1] |
| 22:31.58 | autojack | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.58 | autojack | md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[1] |
| 22:31.58 | autojack | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:32.20 | autojack | wahh, five lines, sheesh. |
| 22:32.21 | autojack | sorry. |
| 22:32.27 | NicNac | use pastebin.com |
| 22:32.33 | autojack | yeah, my bad. |
| 22:32.39 | autojack | anyway. |
| 22:32.47 | jelly-home | fasta: packages.qa.debian.org/source-package-name, perhaps |
| 22:33.09 | autojack | so I'm just not sure why it's showing only one of the two arrays failed. |
| 22:33.12 | shwouchk | help guys! a while (~30 minutes) after startup my debian server stops responding! I don't know what causes it and I don't know how to find out (the power is still on and it still works but I can't ping it anymore). This is a headless machine. I can't find anything unusual in the logs... :( |
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| 22:34.38 | jelly-home | autojack: you need to disable and remove all the chunks on sda, then stop and remove the device |
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| 22:36.15 | autojack | jelly-home: so I should use mdadm to remove sda1 and sda2 from md0 and md1, then pull the drive and install a new one? |
| 22:36.20 | JoeBlakesley | hi again |
| 22:36.39 | JoeBlakesley | my sound has stopped working (and I haven't even restarted) |
| 22:36.43 | jelly-home | autojack: yes. if it's a scsi device the new one will appear as sdc. |
| 22:36.43 | JoeBlakesley | again |
| 22:37.03 | JoeBlakesley | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 22:37.03 | JoeBlakesley | aplay: main:545: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
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| 22:38.16 | jelly-home | autojack: before disconnecting it you can try playing it safe and spin it down with hdparm, and remove scsi device (not sure how that's done... echoing something somewhere in /sys ;-) |
| 22:38.54 | Lapmann | jelly-home: aptituding the alias package seemed to do the trick! |
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| 22:39.04 | autojack | jelly-home: it's SATA. will mdadm let me remove a drive from an array that it thinks is clean? |
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| 22:39.18 | autojack | jelly-home: the software RAID HOWTO seems to indicate that it will not. |
| 22:39.46 | jelly-home | autojack: I don't remember... well, you can mark it failed first? |
| 22:39.58 | autojack | "Note that raidhotremove cannot pull a disk out of a running array. For obvious reasons, only crashed disks are to be hotremoved from an array (running raidstop and unmounting the device won't help)." |
| 22:40.09 | autojack | jelly-home: oh yeah, that would probably work. |
| 22:41.24 | JoeBlakesley | resetting card with invoke-rc.d doesn't help |
| 22:41.27 | karmatronic | is there any trick to retrieve flash embedded from a web site ? |
| 22:41.46 | jelly-home | autojack: not sure how does sata hotplugging work, I've only hotplugged scsi disks. |
| 22:41.55 | autojack | jelly-home: when I add the new drive, do I need to create the correct partitions on it manually, then add it to the array? |
| 22:42.07 | JoeBlakesley | karmatronic: maybe get the .fla's from you are browser cache |
| 22:42.09 | autojack | jelly-home: or can I just insert it, then do an mdadm -a |
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| 22:42.23 | jelly-home | autojack: you do need to partition it, of course |
| 22:42.27 | autojack | jelly-home: as far as I can tell, SATA hot plug works the same as SCSI. my system has a backplane, drive trays, drive statys LEDs, etc etc. |
| 22:42.47 | autojack | jelly-home: and the system itself seems to treat the drives as SCSI. |
| 22:43.15 | JoeBlakesley | or wget them from the uri in the html source of the page |
| 22:43.35 | autojack | jelly-home: in some ways, anyhow. dmesg refers to SCSI sense errors on the drive in question. |
| 22:43.39 | jelly-home | autojack: a simple way to clone a part.table is with sfdisk: sfdisk -d /dev/gooddisk | sfdisk /dev/newdisk |
| 22:44.08 | autojack | jelly-home: oh cool, that's good to know. |
| 22:44.37 | jelly-home | autojack: sata is not scsi... no matter the kernel shows disks as sd* devices... even my usb drive is sd* :-) |
| 22:44.57 | autojack | jelly-home |
| 22:45.39 | autojack | jelly-home: well, at what level is there a difference? I mean I understand on an interface level, and probably a drive quality level, they're different. but presumably the kernel is using the SCSI subsystem to address the drive instead of ATA/IDE. |
| 22:46.48 | jelly-home | autojack: er, it uses libata drivers and a thin mid-level to make the devices look like scsi. you can still get more useful data from a drive with hdparm and treating it as ATA... which it is |
| 22:46.50 | themill | litage|w: for some unknown reason, that module fails to compile with -O2 on the command line -- if you get dh-make-perl to not use -O2 then it should compile |
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| 22:47.16 | litage|w | themill: interesting! how'd you figure that out? |
| 22:47.21 | autojack | jelly-home: huh, OK. what's the point of making them look like SCSI? |
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| 22:47.29 | autojack | just out of curiosity. |
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| 22:47.44 | phizeek | i have a debian box, apt is broke.. well dpkg is, everytime dpkg is ran. it says unknown option log: no such file or directory |
| 22:47.59 | themill | litage|w: I compared what dh-make-perl and perl Makefile.PL; make were doing and found that was the difference.... verified it by hand on the command line. |
| 22:48.08 | jelly-home | autojack: it's simpler for the developers than keeping parallel implementations for block devices? |
| 22:48.18 | azeem | phizeek: what does dpkg -l dpkg say? |
| 22:48.18 | themill | litage|w: I can't explain why -O2 make strlen an undefined function though |
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| 22:49.02 | phizeek | dpkg: configuration error: ujnknown option log: No such file or directory |
| 22:49.05 | jelly-home | autojack: that's why usb-storage and sata look like scsi... at least that's my understanding |
| 22:49.09 | autojack | makes sense. |
| 22:49.27 | azeem | phizeek: what version of Debian? |
| 22:49.38 | phizeek | 4.0 |
| 22:49.53 | azeem | phizeek: edit /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg and comment out the log line |
| 22:50.03 | autojack | jelly-home: one last question. I haven't gone to the datacenter to look at this box yet. let's say worst case, there isn't a visible failed drive light. any thoughts on how I can determine which physical disk is sda? |
| 22:50.08 | azeem | phizeek: then run "dpkg --version" |
| 22:50.14 | autojack | jelly-home |
| 22:50.14 | litage|w | themill: so my next question is...how does one prevent dh-make-perl from using -O2 ? |
| 22:50.24 | autojack | jelly-home: logically it would be the one in slot 0 or whatever :) |
| 22:50.33 | shwouchk | anyone? |
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| 22:50.40 | phizeek | 1.10.27 |
| 22:50.48 | geo-rge | phizeek: any idea how that happened? |
| 22:50.52 | themill | litage|w: according to the documentation, with a .dh-make-perl/rules.* file.... not successful here though just yet |
| 22:51.09 | jelly-home | autojack: if there's no error LED, no idea. you could try spinning it down. |
| 22:51.11 | azeem | phizeek: that one is older than 3.1 |
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| 22:51.15 | shwouchk | help guys! a while (~30 minutes) after startup my debian server stops responding! I don't know what causes it and I don't know how to find out (the power is still on and it still works but I can't ping it anymore). This is a headless machine. I can't find anything unusual in the logs... :( please help! |
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| 22:51.24 | azeem | phizeek: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 22:51.35 | phizeek | 4.0 |
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| 22:51.47 | jelly-home | autojack: we have some cheap 1U HP servers with SATA disks that have no leds at all. :-| |
| 22:51.55 | azeem | phizeek: paste the content of /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin |
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| 22:52.35 | litage|w | themill: check out lines 22-29 in /usr/share/dh-make-perl/rules.Module-Build.xs |
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| 22:52.41 | geo-rge | phizeek: had you tried to upgrade an old debian? |
| 22:53.00 | annoia | How do I count the amount of identical consecutive occurrences of something in a text stream? |
| 22:53.06 | JoeBlakesley | aha it's macromedia flash that is breaking my sound |
| 22:53.09 | jelly-home | autojack: anyway, if that's the first disk you'll probably want to install the boot loader again... if you want the machine to boot. |
| 22:53.14 | themill | litage|w: yes, that's what I've been working on. You should be able to copy that file into ~/.dh-make-perl and edit it how you like |
| 22:53.27 | phizeek | geo-rge: no. this was a friends box, now its mine.. i upgraded dpkg, seems to be working fine now. |
| 22:53.31 | tip | how can i install nvidia drivers |
| 22:53.31 | JoeBlakesley | it'll teach me to use non-free |
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| 22:53.35 | litage|w | themill: i'm not sure what they mean by "setting noopt in $DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS" though |
| 22:53.53 | autojack | jelly-home: good point. I suppose if I put it in standby or sleep mode, the power LED will go out. |
| 22:53.55 | litage|w | !tell tip about nvidia |
| 22:53.57 | cafuego | litage|w: export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=noopt; dpkg-buildpcage -b |
| 22:54.05 | phizeek | azeem: thanks though. if you hadn't told me to comment that out, i'd probably been trying for several hours. |
| 22:54.14 | autojack | jelly-home: seems to me that the boot loader is installed on both disks... I thought that's what persistent superblock was about. |
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| 22:54.26 | azeem | phizeek: you didn't upgrade dpkg |
| 22:54.43 | geo-rge | unless he did :) |
| 22:55.11 | phizeek | i have dpkg 1.13.25 |
| 22:55.12 | geo-rge | phizeek: did you do apt-get install dpkg? |
| 22:55.14 | themill | litage|w: you need to edit the MakeMaker one and then it works |
| 22:55.17 | phizeek | yeah |
| 22:55.21 | shwouchk | help? |
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| 22:55.47 | tip | jelly-home: i did mout windows disk ty |
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| 22:56.50 | themill | litage|w: orjust use the export as cafuego suggested (but with dh-make-perl not dpkg-buildpackage) |
| 22:57.20 | geo-rge | phizeek: just out of idle curiousity, about how many packages would "apt-get -d dist upgrade" propose to upgrade? |
| 22:57.46 | geo-rge | (you can say no, and in either case this would just download the debs anyway) |
| 22:58.22 | edju | how to discover what region the dvd drive is set to? |
| 22:58.28 | themill | litage|w: I still can't explain how -O2 makes strlen bork in the source... too much xs magic for me |
| 22:59.03 | en1gma | you all know that error that i have been getting the past few days with that "digital 21041-pb" nic that says "set link 10baseT auto"? well i dont know what ive done cause ive done so much stuff but it dont do it anymore for some reason |
| 22:59.16 | themill | edju: regionset |
| 22:59.16 | en1gma | if anyone wants any info from me they better get it now |
| 22:59.21 | jelly-home | autojack: hm, sorry, i've no idea what a persistent superblock is |
| 22:59.31 | Sebboh | part of a filesystem? |
| 22:59.31 | litage|w | en1gma: what's sqrt(-1)? |
| 22:59.41 | Sebboh | litage|w: i |
| 22:59.42 | litage|w | en1gma: quick quick! ;) |
| 22:59.51 | litage|w | Sebboh: bah |
| 22:59.55 | en1gma | google dont know |
| 23:00.02 | litage|w | hahah really? that's interesting |
| 23:00.06 | en1gma | :) |
| 23:00.15 | jelly-home | litage|w: you're imagining things |
| 23:00.18 | Sebboh | ?!? google can handle imaginary numbers, I thought. |
| 23:00.25 | geo-rge | i yi yi yi,,, |
| 23:00.26 | en1gma | it knows this....+sqrt(-1) |
| 23:00.50 | themill | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sqrt+-1 |
| 23:00.53 | Sebboh | http://www.google.com/search?q=square+root+of+-1 |
| 23:00.59 | autojack | jelly-home: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.9 |
| 23:01.05 | phizeek | geo-rge: it returned 0. |
| 23:01.07 | Sebboh | jinx mill. Kinda. |
| 23:01.27 | geo-rge | phizeek: so no other packages need upgrading... |
| 23:01.32 | en1gma | is it possible for putty to backup my entire / to a windows dir? |
| 23:01.34 | phizeek | geo-rge: no |
| 23:01.50 | phizeek | geo-rge: everything seems ok now |
| 23:01.55 | geo-rge | seems you're good to go then :) |
| 23:02.00 | themill | I'm in awe: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%285%2B2i%29*%283%2Bi%29 |
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| 23:02.35 | Sebboh | How many messages go through yahoo? Answer: http://www.google.com/search?q=square+root+of+-1+times+the+speed+of+light |
| 23:02.37 | Sebboh | ;) |
| 23:02.41 | themill | en1gma: using scp yes, but you'll lose file permissions and ownership |
| 23:02.44 | streuner | wb(r) abrotman |
| 23:02.56 | en1gma | themill thnx...better not do it that way then |
| 23:02.58 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:03.09 | en1gma | what about copying / to a flashdrive from with in putty |
| 23:03.13 | themill | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=speed+of+light+in+furlong+per+fortnight |
| 23:03.27 | Phil4 | haha |
| 23:03.28 | en1gma | if the flashdrive is mounted wont it try to read and write over itself |
| 23:03.36 | shwouchk | help guys! a while (~30 minutes) after startup my debian server stops responding! I don't know what causes it and I don't know how to find out (the power is still on and it still works but I can't ping it anymore). This is a headless machine. I can't find anything unusual in the logs... :( please help! |
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| 23:03.37 | en1gma | cause its mount point is located in / |
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| 23:03.59 | jelly-home | autojack: that's nice but not a boot loader. :-) |
| 23:04.31 | themill | en1gma: something like rsync is better than just copying and rsync has a very rich excludes syntax |
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| 23:05.14 | geo-rge | shwouchk: so you have physical access to the machine? |
| 23:05.28 | en1gma | all the times ive used rsync it just copies files off a server that you dont have updated on the client |
| 23:05.29 | Sebboh | themill, funny story about google calculator.. It's based on some gnu math lib. This was proven when some people found bugs in google calculator that were the same as existed in the GNU stuff.. Fine, it's free, they can use it. BUT THEN, those bugs were fixed in Google Calc... But they didn't push the patches back to the upstream sources.. :( That's why GPLv3 was supposed to be a big deal. |
| 23:05.54 | themill | That's poor form. |
| 23:05.59 | Sebboh | Agreed. |
| 23:06.06 | en1gma | i used to use rsync with slackware |
| 23:06.42 | shwouchk | geo-rge: yes |
| 23:06.44 | jelly-home | Sebboh: it's not required to publish source if you're not redistributing the app. |
| 23:06.47 | Winkie_ | hey guys, having a bit of an issue with ntpd, i've installed openntpd and it starts up, sees peers but then constantly claims it's adjusting the clock by basically the same amount |
| 23:06.51 | Winkie_ | it doesn't actually seem to chang eit |
| 23:06.59 | autojack | jelly-home: it seems to imply that the boot loader is written to both drives... |
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| 23:07.02 | Sebboh | Jelly, right. GPLv3 was supposed to handle this software-as-service issue.. But, .. last I heard those clauses were dropped. |
| 23:07.24 | jelly-home | Sebboh: that's only the funny affero license afaiui |
| 23:07.33 | geo-rge | shwouchk: how were you able to check its logs? |
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| 23:08.05 | jelly-home | autojack: nothing mentioning the boot loader, just the description of the raid setup. |
| 23:08.07 | shwouchk | geo-rge: I reboot the machine and ssh back in |
| 23:08.32 | themill | en1gma: was that a question about rsync or a comment that you didn't know you could use rsync to copy from one dir to another and not just across machines? |
| 23:08.34 | geo-rge | has it repeated the behavior? |
| 23:08.38 | Sebboh | shwouchk: oh, so it is up now, but, you want to know why it crashed/became unavailable? |
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| 23:10.24 | geo-rge | is this server a host directly on the internet? |
| 23:10.55 | shwouchk | Sebboh: yes. (several times) |
| 23:10.59 | DustyBin | what tool can open and view a .gz file on the fly? |
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| 23:11.12 | shwouchk | geo-rge: yes, which is why I'm asking... |
| 23:11.20 | themill | DustyBin: gui? |
| 23:11.24 | DustyBin | aye thanks |
| 23:11.36 | DustyBin | ? |
| 23:11.40 | zenwryly | What do I dpkg-reconfigure to select the contrib, non-free, etc in sources.list? |
| 23:11.41 | themill | DustyBin: konqueror, ark, file-roller, ... |
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| 23:11.53 | DustyBin | a lot of manuals are still in .gz format |
| 23:12.16 | geo-rge | zenwryly: use a text editor on /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:12.17 | jelly-home | DustyBin: zless |
| 23:12.24 | abrotman | zcat! |
| 23:12.31 | jelly-home | zless > zcat! |
| 23:12.32 | themill | DustyBin: a man page or a random .txt.gz? |
| 23:12.40 | abrotman | jelly-home: zmore ? |
| 23:12.41 | geo-rge | DustyBin: zless |
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| 23:13.07 | themill | gui was specified.... |
| 23:13.14 | Sebboh | shwouchk: for starters, is the system up-to-date? You know, have security.debian.org in the apt sources... and apt-get update; apt-get upgrade ? |
| 23:13.19 | abrotman | kzless! |
| 23:13.22 | abrotman | you know it's coming! |
| 23:13.31 | geo-rge | krazeeless! |
| 23:13.41 | DustyBin | man does the job |
| 23:13.45 | DustyBin | i didnt realise |
| 23:13.56 | JoeBlakesley2 | i can still see the mouse pointer do things in X but everything else is black |
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| 23:14.01 | jelly-home | DustyBin: that's what men do! |
| 23:14.07 | shwouchk | Sebboh: not today yet, but yesterday, yes. |
| 23:14.10 | Sebboh | aren't zless and zcat just gzip-wrapped less and cat? ..uh, my cat and less do that already? |
| 23:14.15 | themill | DustyBin: under kde, you can also use man:command in konqi... |
| 23:14.37 | themill | Sebboh: with a decent LESS* env, yep |
| 23:14.47 | themill | zenwryly: nothing. You edit your /etc/apt/sources.list in your favourite editor. |
| 23:15.07 | geo-rge | Sebboh: your cat automatically gzip -dc? |
| 23:15.17 | geo-rge | that might not be a good thing ;) |
| 23:15.54 | Sebboh | geo-rge: I don't know what that means. =) |
| 23:16.16 | Sebboh | But I can cat file.txt.gz and read it. ;) |
| 23:16.21 | Sebboh | magic. I'm happy. |
| 23:16.34 | autojack | jelly-home: ahh, I think I figured it out. when I originally set up the system, I had GRUB install itself in the MBR of both drives. should be OK. |
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| 23:17.07 | Sebboh | ... I lied. |
| 23:17.31 | themill | Sebboh: :) works for less; never seen it for cat though |
| 23:17.35 | geo-rge | less might do that... cat should not do that |
| 23:17.40 | Sebboh | for cat I must use zcat, but, for less it does it automatically. Yep. |
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| 23:18.02 | JoeBlakesley2 | does anyone know how to switch tabs in gedit via the keyboard? |
| 23:18.22 | JoeBlakesley2 | i assume save is ctrl-s, tab, enter filename, return |
| 23:19.14 | abrotman | ctrl-tab ? |
| 23:19.59 | JoeBlakesley | ok my X has come back to life |
| 23:20.01 | themill | ^W to close the tab and move on to the next one to ^S |
| 23:20.21 | JoeBlakesley | last time it I left it for days and it didn't revive...hmm |
| 23:20.30 | JoeBlakesley | so don't need that now..thanks anyway |
| 23:20.34 | abrotman | JoeBlakesley: if you hit ctrl-tab .. it will get to the tabs eventually .. and then you can use left/right arrows to switch |
| 23:20.44 | autojack | jelly-home: thanks for the help, I've got the replacement drive in hand. hopefully when I go to install it tomorrow night it'll happen smoothly. |
| 23:20.57 | abrotman | JoeBlakesley: or ctrl-alt-pgup/pgdown |
| 23:22.15 | JoeBlakesley | k ta....does anyone have any ideas why my X might be going black on me (after switching screen resolutions (after frozenbubble) or leaving screensaver (both occasionally)? |
| 23:22.23 | JoeBlakesley | nothing in X log |
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| 23:23.11 | abrotman | did you check the Xlog ? |
| 23:23.27 | JoeBlakesley | I did last time |
| 23:23.38 | JoeBlakesley | can't remember where the log is now... |
| 23:24.42 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:27.02 | johnadsfsdfdf | im trying to install kernel headers but i get the following error... any ideas? http://ftp.debian.org etch/main linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12 [ERROR] |
| 23:27.03 | johnadsfsdfdf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:27.08 | phogg | JoeBlakesley: nvidia's driver has done that to me on occasion, so if you're using it I'd look there first |
| 23:27.11 | abrotman | johnadsfsdfdf: your kenrel is out of date |
| 23:27.30 | johnadsfsdfdf | how would i go about updating it on a remote machine |
| 23:27.34 | johnadsfsdfdf | dist-upgrade? |
| 23:27.38 | JoeBlakesley | nothing in log |
| 23:27.44 | JoeBlakesley | relevant |
| 23:27.44 | themill | johnadsfsdfdf: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
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| 23:27.46 | abrotman | aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 23:27.46 | shwouchk | Sebboh: any other questions besides wether the system is up to date? |
| 23:27.53 | Trentster | hey all, I was wondering, what is the easiest way to cat through a folder and all files in it looking for a certain term in one of the files? |
| 23:27.56 | abrotman | themill: actually requires a dist-upgrade .. it's an ABI change |
| 23:28.00 | JoeBlakesley | not using the proprietary nvidia driver |
| 23:28.05 | abrotman | Trentster: grep |
| 23:28.52 | themill | johnadsfsdfdf: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade (what abrotman said ;) |
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| 23:29.09 | johnadsfsdfdf | thanks mill! |
| 23:29.10 | abrotman | hopefully his sources are pointing to the right place :) |
| 23:29.19 | Sebboh | shwouchk: you can put it on a hub and do a TCPdump, see what kinda traffic happened when it went down. BUT, we don't know if it is receiving malicious traffic. Could be hardware failure. ..Does the machine play a role that makes it likely that it could receive malious traffic? (Does it go on IRC?) |
| 23:29.24 | themill | abrotman: yep... |
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| 23:29.44 | johnadsfsdfdf | do i have to reboot? |
| 23:29.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:29.48 | Trentster | abrotman, thanks |
| 23:30.05 | abrotman | Trentster: you're welcome |
| 23:30.21 | abrotman | johnadsfsdfdf: well .. you don't have to .. but it's a really good idea |
| 23:30.23 | Sebboh | shwouchk: really you might consider borrowing a monitor and keyboard from a friend and eyeballing the thing. ;) |
| 23:30.24 | robboplus | is there a point in having more than 2GB of swap on a box with 2GB ram? |
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| 23:30.36 | abrotman | robboplus: depends on what the box does |
| 23:30.58 | robboplus | abrotman hm it's physical mem is never used in more than 75% |
| 23:31.09 | abrotman | i wouldn't bother |
| 23:31.10 | johnadsfsdfdf | abrotman, could you explain? i have to reboot into the new kernel, right and if i dont reboot im still using the old one |
| 23:31.21 | robboplus | abrotman and how about 1.5GB swap then? |
| 23:31.35 | abrotman | robboplus: just leave it at 2GB |
| 23:31.40 | abrotman | johnadsfsdfdf: right |
| 23:31.54 | Sebboh | I don't bother using swap on big machines.. For most of the time, we would rather the system be down for maintenance than be slow. :/ |
| 23:32.10 | robboplus | abrotman so 2GB max and that won't lower performance or anything? i would really love to get rid of swapping at all |
| 23:32.21 | robboplus | Sebboh err? no swap? |
| 23:32.24 | abrotman | swapping always lowers performrance compared to actual RAM |
| 23:32.36 | robboplus | so can i just disable swapping? |
| 23:32.41 | themill | abrotman: an i686 installed the new kernel with an upgrade not dist-upgrade -- is it only k7 that needs the dist-upgrade? |
| 23:32.47 | abrotman | if you want to ... hopefully you won't run out of RAM :) |
| 23:32.51 | abrotman | themill: they all do |
| 23:32.56 | geo-rge | you would rather the machine be down for maintainance most of the time?? |
| 23:33.02 | abrotman | themill: it's an ABI change |
| 23:33.04 | robboplus | abrotman does shit happen when i run out of mem and have no swap? |
| 23:33.08 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:33.10 | robboplus | or will kernel recover somehow |
| 23:33.32 | shwouchk | Sebboh: it doesn't go on IRC but I do see in the log sometimes people trying to break it... they used to bring down the mysql until I put up a digest auth before the regular auth |
| 23:33.33 | abrotman | running out of RAM/swap is always bad |
| 23:33.35 | geo-rge | what exactly happens? |
| 23:33.44 | Sebboh | no, robbo.. I leave a little swap.. just in case.. I mean, I don't want to the system to actually run out of ram and HALT ever... But.. I don't bother calculating how much swap I should have. I just give it 2gb, even if the box has 4gb. I figure, if it starts swapping.. I'm going to notice.. and bring the service down or make some change, you know? |
| 23:33.46 | shwouchk | Sebboh: aside from that, not much |
| 23:34.05 | Winkie_ | robboplus: if you run out of memory and have no swap the kernel will start killing processes |
| 23:34.08 | robboplus | Sebboh so you say there is no point in the old rule like swap = 2x ram? |
| 23:34.27 | themill | robboplus: the grim reaper will descend on your machine and start randomly killing processes until the kernel is once more happy |
| 23:34.33 | abrotman | robboplus: 2GB of swap shold be fine |
| 23:34.35 | Winkie_ | is it random still? |
| 23:34.36 | robboplus | Winkie_ will it start killing with the process using most of mem? |
| 23:34.40 | shwouchk | robboplus: no... that rule is for the days of 128mb ram |
| 23:34.50 | robboplus | themill he he how random is he? |
| 23:34.51 | abrotman | Winkie_: it's not supposed to be AFAIK .. but god knows how it actually picks |
| 23:34.54 | Winkie_ | robboplus: i'm not sure |
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| 23:35.03 | themill | Winkie_, robboplus: not sure. I don't what to know. |
| 23:35.04 | robboplus | shwouchk doh |
| 23:35.05 | Winkie_ | abrotman: i've never seen a machine seriously survive a memory full kernel purge :) |
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| 23:35.13 | abrotman | Winkie_: right |
| 23:35.17 | robboplus | he he |
| 23:35.32 | Sebboh | robboplus: Don't quote me. I use 2GB swap on all my machines, even ones with 64mb of ram. (virtual machines). It's just my policy--I didn't give it much thought. Don't do as I say OR do. ;) |
| 23:35.46 | Winkie_ | 2GB is a reasonable amount of swap |
| 23:35.50 | Winkie_ | i tend to use 2x the physical memory |
| 23:35.55 | robboplus | so giving too much isn't a prob... |
| 23:35.59 | Winkie_ | hell no |
| 23:36.10 | Winkie_ | if you have seperate disks be sure to put a partition on both too |
| 23:36.17 | Winkie_ | the kernel can stripe swap for greater speed |
| 23:36.27 | robboplus | but how about if i wanted to try and disable swapping at all? i can hardly imagine going over 2GB... last month it was 700-800MB max |
| 23:36.32 | cafuego | If you're using 4GB amd and 2GB swap, your box will be unusable anyway, why not kill shit randomy ;-) |
| 23:36.36 | robboplus | or won't it swap in this case? |
| 23:36.49 | cafuego | robboplus: Deskop or laptop? |
| 23:36.50 | Winkie_ | robboplus: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 23:36.56 | robboplus | cafuego a server |
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| 23:37.06 | Sebboh | I put swap on raid once on a machine that didn't have much ram.. It was kinda sweet, actually. It was.. I forget--raid0 maybe? The kind that is striping but no redundency (hah, it's swap...) |
| 23:37.09 | robboplus | Winkie_ i'm trying to eliminate disk access on that box |
| 23:37.10 | cafuego | robboplus: Ok, so you don't need swap==ram for hibernating purposes. |
| 23:37.11 | abrotman | robboplus: what about buffers/cache ? |
| 23:37.22 | robboplus | abrotman never touched them... |
| 23:37.24 | cafuego | robboplus: You should give it *some* swap. |
| 23:37.24 | Winkie_ | robboplus: ah, linux won't swap anything out unless it's needed |
| 23:37.25 | abrotman | robboplus: stick a USB stick in it .. use that for swap :) |
| 23:37.30 | cafuego | Winkie_: it will. |
| 23:37.35 | abrotman | robboplus: yes .. your box uses buffers/cache .. look at 'free' |
| 23:37.36 | robboplus | abrotman he he |
| 23:37.43 | themill | abrotman: abi change or no, 686 will upgrade to -5; dist-upgrade not required: http://pastebin.ca/681619 |
| 23:37.44 | shwouchk | Sebboh: :( hooking up a screen |
| 23:37.44 | robboplus | abrotman hm |
| 23:37.44 | Winkie_ | cafuego: uh, mine doesn't :) |
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| 23:37.57 | shwouchk | such a PITA! |
| 23:37.58 | themill | abrotman: stuffed if I know how the kernel is handled these days then.... |
| 23:38.01 | cafuego | robboplus: I tend ti give my servers up to 2GB swap (for 4GB machines) - otherwise approximatly the same swap as ram. |
| 23:38.11 | robboplus | hm. |
| 23:38.17 | abrotman | themill: which version of linux-image-2.6-686 is there ? |
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| 23:38.29 | phrowzen | hey |
| 23:38.34 | cafuego | Winkie_: the kernel will normally start swapping out dirty pages. |
| 23:38.36 | Sebboh | shwouchk: other solution is a serial port. ..I don't know the details of that kinda thing, probably needs a custom kernel anyway. |
| 23:38.41 | robboplus | ok so i take it that using swap won't hurt... but it won't be used anyway as long as there is certain of physical mem available |
| 23:38.53 | Winkie_ | cafuego: really? i have never noticed any swapping happening |
| 23:38.55 | phrowzen | i just added a 2nd network interface on my debian box, how do i set it up to either a) take ip from DHCP on boot or b) set ip etc info statically |
| 23:38.56 | robboplus | but then how about buffers and cache? should i alter that? |
| 23:38.58 | Winkie_ | i mean i'm using 14mb at the moment |
| 23:39.00 | themill | abrotman: 2.6.18+6etch2 |
| 23:39.04 | phrowzen | my eth0 just worked, as dhcp automatically |
| 23:39.08 | Winkie_ | robboplus: you want buffers and cache, that prevents disk access |
| 23:39.20 | robboplus | Winkie_ argh |
| 23:39.25 | cafuego | robboplus: The kernel may put buffered files there at some stage and use ram for other stuff; that is 8still* quier than freeing those pages and not using swap. It won't hurt, anyway. |
| 23:39.25 | Winkie_ | i believe so anyway |
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| 23:39.32 | robboplus | Winkie_ then i need to learn about that... i want as much buffers and cache as possible |
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| 23:39.35 | abrotman | themill: maybe that's why .. dunno .. i had the security update before that package was updated |
| 23:39.47 | robboplus | cafuego hm |
| 23:39.47 | abrotman | themill: oh wait! |
| 23:39.48 | Winkie_ | robboplus: just whack in as much ram as possible |
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| 23:39.52 | abrotman | themill: this is the second -5 update |
| 23:39.59 | robboplus | Winkie_ how do i control buffers and cache size? |
| 23:40.02 | abrotman | themill: the first needed the dist-upgrade .. the second didn't |
| 23:40.07 | robboplus | i would give it 512MB or so even |
| 23:40.08 | cafuego | Winkie_: This production box typically uses around 250Mb swap after being on for a few months, even if it uses over 300Mb of ram as buffer/cache. |
| 23:40.11 | Sebboh | Winkie_: unless your data served is always bigger than buffers and cache... In that case, disabling them has no effect, or increases performance, depending.. it's a thin line, really... |
| 23:40.24 | Winkie_ | robboplus: to my knowledge i believe it scales automatically to the amount of free memory |
| 23:40.34 | robboplus | Winkie_ hm. |
| 23:40.35 | abrotman | themill: cat /proc/version |
| 23:40.39 | Winkie_ | cafuego: well that's fair enough, it's not something to easily eliminate but very small amounts of disk access |
| 23:40.40 | stoned | I have 1gb ram, and I've never used swap on linux |
| 23:40.41 | stoned | ever |
| 23:40.49 | Winkie_ | also Sebboh yeah i should have added that as an addendum :) |
| 23:40.50 | Sebboh | Winkie_: take for example a server that has 290,000 jpegs on it.. to hell with caching. |
| 23:40.53 | haggz | robboplus: if you're very concerned about memory efficiency, use a kernel with SLUB for the allocator rather than the old SLAB, apparently SLUB manages memory more efficiently -- not a disk thing, but it does better reclaiming old RAM |
| 23:41.02 | cafuego | Winkie_: Well, I can turn swap off, but that would *hurt* performance. |
| 23:41.08 | themill | abrotman: 2.6.18-5-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch1). |
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| 23:41.23 | cafuego | Even the 4GB server is using swap now <heh> |
| 23:41.26 | abrotman | themill: yeah .. you're already on a -5- .. if you go from a -4- to a -5- .. dist-upgrade |
| 23:41.39 | robboplus | cafuego why is that? |
| 23:41.46 | Sebboh | anyway I gotta get this window closed or I'll never get anything done! |
| 23:41.47 | cafuego | prolly some idle service |
| 23:41.50 | Sebboh | peace all! |
| 23:41.56 | stoned | peace |
| 23:42.02 | robboplus | damn he is strong |
| 23:42.07 | robboplus | i couldn't just do that |
| 23:42.08 | abrotman | themill: i'm pretty damn sure anyways .. |
| 23:42.09 | themill | abrotman: ahh... I won't ask why there are multiple -5- and not just a -6-.... it's too late to comprehend that. |
| 23:42.11 | cafuego | yeh, looks like radius and openvpn are swapped out |
| 23:42.22 | zenwryly | themill: sorry, got pulled away. I remember being asked by debconf if I wanted to include contrib and non-free. How do I reproduce *that*? |
| 23:42.26 | abrotman | themill: -#- is the ABI version .. the rest are source changes AIUI |
| 23:42.38 | stoned | zenwryly: /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 23:42.43 | robboplus | ok... my buffers are only 8172KB... |
| 23:42.48 | robboplus | i want like 100MB at least |
| 23:42.55 | stoned | zenwryly: that will tell you how to use the bot properly |
| 23:42.55 | robboplus | any hope for that? |
| 23:43.01 | abrotman | no |
| 23:43.03 | abrotman | never! |
| 23:43.09 | robboplus | no? |
| 23:43.20 | abrotman | !free |
| 23:43.20 | dpkg | free is, like, defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 23:43.27 | stoned | zenwryly: as for ... oh sorry, you said debconf, not dpkg |
| 23:43.29 | themill | zenwryly: I've never seen that before. |
| 23:43.36 | cafuego | robboplus: Disk space is cheap, be generous. |
| 23:43.41 | stoned | zenwryly: try /msg dpkg non-free |
| 23:43.55 | themill | abrotman: well that makes enough sense for me to sleep well.... :) |
| 23:43.56 | abrotman | zenwryly: that was apt-setup .. now gone |
| 23:43.56 | robboplus | cafuego but performance is very important to me |
| 23:44.02 | stoned | zenwryly: you don't have to let debconf do it, you can simply add them to sources list yourself |
| 23:44.10 | cafuego | robboplus: Swap *improves* performance |
| 23:44.16 | zenwryly | abrotman: ah! Thanks |
| 23:44.26 | cafuego | robboplus: We're not talking windows style scheduling, Linux is sane. |
| 23:44.29 | robboplus | cafuego even with 100s of reads and writes per second? while they can stay in mem |
| 23:44.30 | stoned | cafuego: if you don't use swap, and ram gets full, what happens then (I have never tried it) |
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| 23:44.48 | robboplus | stoned kernel will kill something |
| 23:44.49 | zinx | robboplus: it doesn't do 100s of reads and writes per second for sutff that can stay in memory. |
| 23:44.50 | cafuego | stoned: oom-killer makes ram available the hard way |
| 23:44.54 | themill | stoned: the entry on contrib is usually more useful than non-free for that |
| 23:44.58 | stoned | ouch |
| 23:45.05 | stoned | themill: really |
| 23:45.08 | stoned | !contrib |
| 23:45.08 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 23:45.12 | robboplus | !buffers |
| 23:45.13 | dpkg | well, buffers is Your kernel will use otherwise unused RAM as disk cache. This means your 'Free' measure in 'top' or 'free' will be WRONG. If you start programs, then the kernel will flush this data to disk, freeing the memory. Look at the '-/+ buffers/cache:' in the output of 'free -m' for a more useful value. |
| 23:45.20 | cafuego | robboplus: Thing is, if something is idle for a few days, the rma it uses can be better used to cache disk access, thus prventing hundreds of reads/writes :-) |
| 23:45.27 | robboplus | hm. |
| 23:45.35 | cafuego | That's what linux does. |
| 23:45.41 | shwouchk | Seb: I just hooked it up |
| 23:45.49 | cafuego | Rather than havean unused app just sit there using ram for no reason. |
| 23:45.58 | robboplus | cafuego making a note on that... |
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| 23:46.10 | themill | stoned: more instructions less politics.... (this being a help channel not an evangelism channel ;) |
| 23:46.10 | robboplus | zinx but... hm... |
| 23:46.19 | stoned | I should put my guitar down and start getting back into linux |
| 23:46.26 | fsmunoz | Guys, it depends on the version... at least a year ago one had to fiddle with "swapiness" and other settings to avoid the kernel to start using the swap without really needing it, thus slowing the system. |
| 23:46.30 | robboplus | stoned never |
| 23:46.34 | stoned | i seem to have forgotten a lot and new stuff is out and i know nothing about it |
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| 23:46.43 | cafuego | If if you reactivate that app after a week, it'll take a second to be paged back in, but in the mean time all other stuff has been faster, due to having more ram to use as cache. |
| 23:46.48 | robboplus | stoned swap isn't all that new :) |
| 23:46.54 | themill | ok... g'night all! |
| 23:46.58 | stoned | robboplus: no I mean in general :) |
| 23:47.03 | robboplus | g'nite themill |
| 23:47.08 | phrowzen | err disconnected. sorry. i added the line 'iface eth1 inet dhcp' to my interfaces file, but still it wont pick up an ip on bootup (ifconfig doesnt even show an eth1 interface.. is this why? does it need to be brought up first? and how do i bring it up first) |
| 23:47.10 | stoned | night man |
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| 23:47.16 | robboplus | stoned he he generally guitar > linux |
| 23:47.21 | fsmunoz | Now, since then all the kernels seems to have improved in this respect quite a lot, changes in VM and preempt and whatnot |
| 23:47.22 | stoned | robboplus: of course |
| 23:47.23 | cafuego | robboplus: stoned has some memory problems for (fairly) obvious reasons |
| 23:47.31 | stoned | cafuego: ey! |
| 23:47.32 | stoned | :( |
| 23:47.37 | robboplus | stoned just wish my fingers could handle a guitar... |
| 23:47.42 | geo-rge | phrowzen: you could try reading man 5 interfaces |
| 23:47.48 | geo-rge | the answer is in there |
| 23:47.50 | robboplus | cafuego lol |
| 23:47.51 | stoned | robboplus: care to join us in #music? |
| 23:47.57 | robboplus | stoned hm... |
| 23:48.05 | stoned | robboplus: its kinda OT here |
| 23:48.06 | abrotman | phrowzen: did you do an 'auto eth1' line ? |
| 23:48.06 | stoned | :) |
| 23:48.08 | jelly-home | fsmunoz: not to mention 3rd party patches like swap-prefetch |
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| 23:50.49 | fsmunoz | jelly-home: indeed. At the time I had to play with several different patches, some of them at the same time with, er, goofy results. But as I said, for some time now that the stock kernel is much more friendly for a desktop user in that regard. |
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| 23:51.44 | cafuego | wow |
| 23:51.50 | cafuego | locale-gen in 64Mb is ouchies |
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| 23:56.11 | maxamillion | ahhh!!!! packages.debian.org changed!!! |
| 23:56.20 | abrotman | yes |
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| 23:57.11 | maxamillion | abrotman: is there any documentation on how to use this one? ... my old search criteria returns nothing now |
| 23:57.20 | abrotman | ? |
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| 23:57.34 | abrotman | old search criteria ? |
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| 23:57.57 | maxamillion | abrotman: 'linux' |
| 23:57.59 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/09/msg00001.html |
| 23:58.21 | maxamillion | abrotman: used to tell me what kernel images were currently in sid, now ... nothing |
| 23:58.51 | abrotman | maxamillion: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 23:59.03 | maxamillion | abrotman: i am not running sid, but i want to know what kernel it has |
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| 23:59.07 | abrotman | oh |
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| 23:59.33 | uberspaced | I edited /etc/motd and the thing keeps coming back on boot as the original motd |
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| 23:59.47 | uberspaced | how do i edit it and save it, uh, for reals |
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| 23:59.54 | abrotman | uberspaced: /etc/default/rcS |
| 23:59.56 | uberspaced | I dont want to chattr +i the thing |
