| 00:00.04 | RockerMONO | i just did it 10 times |
| 00:00.21 | Kevin` | RockerMONO oh, I know why SMART didn't work. it won't work with usb enclosures |
| 00:00.23 | chlue | Has anyone experience with ext3 under windows? If that works well, then my new datapartition will be ext3. But I need to be at least able to read everything if I boot windows. |
| 00:00.25 | Kevin` | you'd have to connect it directly |
| 00:00.27 | jelly-home | RockerMONO: bad memory? |
| 00:00.29 | RockerMONO | anything from something starting with 83 to something starting with bf to something starting with 63 |
| 00:00.34 | RockerMONO | jelly-home: screwy hd |
| 00:01.38 | nvz | snowbird: you speak in incomplete thoughts. I don't comprehend |
| 00:01.50 | jetscreamer | you can use explore2fs to read ext2&3 from windows... google explore2fs swim ... swim.au or something is the url |
| 00:02.01 | nvz | or should I say "speak incomplete thoughts don't comprehend" |
| 00:02.01 | snowbird | i mean do u need another package |
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| 00:02.19 | Kevin` | is it legal that the ext2 drivers for windows are closed source? |
| 00:02.38 | jetscreamer | isn't a scanjet an hp? linux.hp.com if so |
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| 00:02.54 | jetscreamer | Kevin`: it's for windows... of course? |
| 00:03.08 | snowbird | kk ty jetscreamer |
| 00:03.09 | nvz | snowbird: I don't need any packages right now. What you need is to goto sane-project.org and read to find out if your scanner is supported and how sane works |
| 00:03.12 | jetscreamer | Kevin`: depends where they got their base code i guess |
| 00:03.16 | Kevin` | jetscreamer I mean, it's probably taking gpl code.. |
| 00:03.34 | simonrvn | if it's lgpl, they can do that |
| 00:04.04 | jetscreamer | the explore2fs guy seems to be 'working' on a full on windows driver for ext but ... |
| 00:04.08 | simonrvn | !lgpl |
| 00:04.08 | dpkg | lgpl is probably the GNU Lesser General Public License, or at http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/lesser.html |
| 00:04.12 | snowbird | i read sane looks good to go campatible |
| 00:04.16 | simonrvn | bah |
| 00:04.24 | simonrvn | oh it does have one. damn irssi |
| 00:04.41 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: there's a cost=0 rw driver for ext2 at www.fs-driver.org |
| 00:04.44 | jetscreamer | you didn't see dpkg spew forth? |
| 00:04.54 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: _not_ ext3, though |
| 00:05.00 | simonrvn | irssi stalled (again) |
| 00:05.10 | stoned | simonrvn: yeh dude wtf |
| 00:05.19 | simonrvn | it's a script... |
| 00:05.19 | stoned | simonrvn: you've been having irssi problems for a few days now |
| 00:05.21 | stoned | ohh |
| 00:05.22 | jetscreamer | i don't really use explore2fs anymore, i'm never in windows |
| 00:05.28 | simonrvn | months |
| 00:05.33 | stoned | damn man |
| 00:05.37 | stoned | so get rid of the script or fix it |
| 00:06.21 | jetscreamer | how do you make a running program (it's mencoder in an xterm) pause |
| 00:06.33 | cafuego | jetscreamer: ^Z |
| 00:06.38 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: http://mcgw.co.nr/weird_md5/ |
| 00:06.45 | jetscreamer | and to start it back up ? |
| 00:06.48 | stoned | cafuego: halt job |
| 00:06.49 | stoned | ? |
| 00:06.50 | cafuego | jetscreamer: 'gf' |
| 00:06.54 | stoned | fg |
| 00:06.54 | cafuego | sorry, 'fg' |
| 00:06.56 | stoned | :) |
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| 00:07.02 | jetscreamer | that's bg & fg eh |
| 00:07.05 | stoned | yup |
| 00:07.11 | RockerMONO | yikes |
| 00:07.13 | cafuego | jetscreamer: You can make it runs in the backgorund via 'bg' |
| 00:07.15 | RockerMONO | weird color |
| 00:07.19 | jetscreamer | thanks cafuego |
| 00:07.24 | stoned | cafuego is da man |
| 00:07.35 | Kevin` | RockerMONO use a manual offset and try formatting with -cc again, or just ignore the stupid drive |
| 00:07.43 | RockerMONO | ok |
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| 00:08.12 | jetscreamer | only 207 minutes to go! |
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| 00:08.46 | jelly-home | RockerMONO: what sort of hardware is your faulty usb device, hard disk or flash? |
| 00:08.54 | cafuego | wtf are you transcoding? |
| 00:09.01 | RockerMONO | jelly-home: hard disk |
| 00:09.08 | simonrvn | google cache |
| 00:09.21 | Kevin` | RockerMONO you might try attaching it directly, though |
| 00:09.41 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: alright... that means i'll have to keep switching the monitor to a diff computer each time i want help though =p |
| 00:09.54 | RockerMONO | cuz the only one that has another hd hookup is the one w/ internet capabilities whatso ever |
| 00:09.55 | jelly-home | RockerMONO: right ...if you connect it to a real PATA/SATA controller, you can enable smart and run tests |
| 00:09.57 | snacky | this might be a really dumb question, but here goes: I currently use the "firefox" package. what would happen if I moved to iceweasel instead? would I notice much difference besides the branding? would prefs be changed? is it a good idea to switch to iceweasel? |
| 00:10.10 | jpdp | I'm presently debatingb between buying a Thecus 5200 NAS as a file server or building a full file server. The only thing that still makes me consider the Thecus, is the power management. How easy/hard/possible is it to have a SATA software RAID array spin down the drives when idle, and have scheduled off times with wake on lan? |
| 00:10.27 | stoned | snacky: afaik nothing else is going to change |
| 00:10.38 | simonrvn | snacky: no, everything will be the same. i use iceweasel and ff interchangably |
| 00:10.39 | stoned | snacky: just the branding. You might want to consult the changelog though |
| 00:10.55 | stoned | and the debian specific readme |
| 00:11.01 | stoned | in the package that is |
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| 00:11.26 | simonrvn | only the codebase is going to be different (on some things). iceweasel is stabler, though ff hasn't had any stability issues lately |
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| 00:11.42 | simonrvn | ff is marginally slower though |
| 00:11.44 | stoned | you know I was late to work today by one hour |
| 00:11.51 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 00:11.52 | stoned | I was thinking that I'm gonna get chewed out |
| 00:12.01 | cafuego | jpdp: spinning down individual raid drives is probably abad idea |
| 00:12.18 | ozatomic^ | my box has 2 entwork cards eth0 adn eth1 eth0 is setup in the /etc/netowrk/interfaces folder but eth1 isn't but eth1 is getting an ip adn coming upo in ifconfig were else could it be configered |
| 00:12.19 | jpdp | cafuego: Well, can't you spin down the entire array? |
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| 00:12.42 | cafuego | jpdp: Possibly, dunno. |
| 00:12.47 | jpdp | cafuego: HDDs suck up a lot of power, and when not in use, I'd hate to keep up to 8 drives spinning all day :) |
| 00:12.59 | cafuego | it's not something I'd care to try on my raid box |
| 00:13.01 | stoned | instead the boss says, he man, I need your advice. I have an employee that has been late a few times, not too many, but a few, and I want to talk to him about it, but I don't know what to say exactly. Why don't you think about my problem and let me know if you can help me find a solution. |
| 00:13.06 | stoned | I was like |
| 00:13.09 | stoned | wow man |
| 00:13.11 | stoned | this guy is freakin cool |
| 00:13.12 | nvz | yeah well starting and stopping them all the time probaby causes more wear than leaving em running |
| 00:13.18 | jpdp | cafuego: hehe, understandable... |
| 00:13.29 | jetscreamer | he meant you eh stoned |
| 00:13.30 | cafuego | jpdp: 5400rpm drives should help a little bit |
| 00:13.34 | stoned | jetscreamer: i know |
| 00:13.35 | snacky | stoned, simonrvn: thanks for answers on iceweasel |
| 00:13.37 | stoned | which is why hes cool |
| 00:13.43 | stoned | cuz of the way he talked to me about it |
| 00:13.54 | stoned | instead of just telling me hey, quit being late |
| 00:13.56 | graytron | ozatomic^: what's wrong with configuring it in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 00:14.10 | jpdp | cafuego: Such things SHOULD be possible I'd hope with the modern "green PC" climate. Running disks 24/7 when they're not likely to be in use 24/7 seems like a huge waste (even for corporate server rooms) |
| 00:15.21 | stoned | I have to say man, my boss is very cool |
| 00:15.57 | nvz | mine is too, but I can't talk shit on him without talking shit on myself is the main reason I'd say that. |
| 00:16.03 | stoned | first jewish guy who I actually ever dealt with, and what I can't immagine why anyone would ever say bad things about jewish people |
| 00:16.29 | stoned | he is just one of those generally majorly good guys |
| 00:16.36 | stoned | and extremely religious |
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| 00:16.52 | chlue | jpdp: but restarting a drive takes a lot of power, too and drives hold longer if they don't spn-up/down so much. So I am not really sure if switching drives of is "greener" than letting them run and replace them less often. |
| 00:17.17 | nvz | thats the point I was subtly making |
| 00:17.29 | cafuego | jpdp: The best thing is a solar powered raid array :-) |
| 00:17.35 | stoned | nvz: word |
| 00:18.06 | jetscreamer | stoned: ppl say bad things about ppl and it builds up into prejudice... ppl are ppl, some are dicks others aren't |
| 00:18.22 | stoned | of course :) |
| 00:18.24 | jpdp | chlue: Somewhat true, though I think they've changed the theory on the startup of drives...now supposedly the rated spinup cycles should by far outlast the motor's rated running time. |
| 00:18.46 | jetscreamer | children laugh untill they can't |
| 00:18.48 | kingsley | Is there a linux application that's compatible with Microsoft Access 2000? |
| 00:19.05 | jpdp | cafuego: haha, I can imagine the mammoth panel needed for that :) |
| 00:19.14 | cafuego | jpdp: 5v, should be okay. |
| 00:19.19 | cafuego | V, sorry |
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| 00:19.28 | nvz | kingsley: I don't think so. |
| 00:19.52 | stoned | jetscreamer: lol |
| 00:19.54 | cafuego | kingsley: Openoffice Base with MDB driver installed, perhaps. |
| 00:20.16 | nvz | Ah OO.o has a database app?! |
| 00:20.19 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: if you look at http://mcgw.dav7.net:8080/weird_md5/ it's almost like a pattern |
| 00:20.21 | cafuego | Of course |
| 00:20.25 | nvz | news to me |
| 00:20.36 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: actually it just shows the 3..... one every few times |
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| 00:20.39 | cafuego | nvz: Nice interface to the mysql servers :-) |
| 00:20.48 | jpdp | cafuego: Right now I have an old PII-233/72mb RAM box with 2 SATA drives (on a PCI controller) running as the 24/7....I'm just frightened to think of how much more power the Athlon X2 w/ 8 drives will take :) |
| 00:20.58 | nvz | though I don't really use office software often.. I punch in a few made up numbers and print an invoice.. thats about it.. heh |
| 00:21.06 | Kevin` | RockerMONO md5sums are designed to be essentially random with any change in data. I doubt any parttern is important :) |
| 00:21.34 | nvz | I do my invoices in OO.o calc.. |
| 00:21.37 | cafuego | jpdp: Provided you don't add a PCIe SLI video card, it'll be quite civilised. And WAY quieter ;-) |
| 00:21.42 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: that's odd.... cuz it keeps going to the same md5sum every few times |
| 00:21.53 | jpdp | cafuego: Hehe, how's that? |
| 00:22.10 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: like 3f99adf008c3ecb0c09a3e4e55757a60 - <4 diff ones> 3f99adf008c3ecb0c09a3e4e55757a60 - <3 diff ones> 3f99adf008c3ecb0c09a3e4e55757a60 - |
| 00:22.13 | cafuego | jpdp: I replaced a P3/600 with an X2 a few weeks ago |
| 00:23.04 | jpdp | cafuego: It'd be the onboard video (I think it's Radeon based) for mostly just console mode at install....it's a file server...video isn't too useful :) |
| 00:23.13 | cafuego | jpdp: external video these days sucks huge amounts of power, a lot of PCIe SLIc ards have specific power connectors right off the PSU as well. |
| 00:23.37 | cafuego | jpdp: Yeah, mine too, just uses the on-board nforce gfx *if* it runs with a screen. |
| 00:23.59 | jpdp | cafuego: Yeah, I'm familiar with the modern video cards...my workstations/gaming boxes I build as my main systems use them.... |
| 00:23.59 | Greyscale__ | brb |
| 00:24.07 | nvz | my server doesnt even have a video card |
| 00:24.16 | cafuego | jpdp: And the X2s can throttle down nicely, spin down the fan when they're not busy. Yours will probably run at the lostest speed the whole time if all it does is serve files. |
| 00:24.33 | cafuego | lowest |
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| 00:25.08 | nvz | I need to figure out what I am gonna replace that old server with.. still got little clue what to buy so far |
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| 00:25.44 | fantomas | Hi. Vsftpd question - are there any limit on transfering file sizes in vsftpd? Somehow, when I donwload a file with size more then 2048Mb download stops after 2048Mb... |
| 00:26.09 | jpdp | cafuego: I wonder, comparitively, the P2-233/72mb, 2x7200RPM drives, with an old TNT2 video card, versus the X2 4000+, 8x 7200mb drives, 1gb ram...how the power drain comparison would go (factoring in the CPU throttle down) |
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| 00:27.58 | cafuego | jpdp: The X2 will still use more, but give you FAR more computing power for the same energy use. |
| 00:28.24 | jpdp | nvz: No video card is nice, though, I'd still have to borrow one to do the install if I'm not booting off a pre-installed OS, or a thumbdrive OS. |
| 00:28.45 | jpdp | cafuego: I imagine so :)P |
| 00:28.59 | nvz | jpdp: well the box had a TNT2 card and an SBLive but I took em both out after I put it online |
| 00:29.12 | nvz | was an old gaming box |
| 00:29.37 | jpdp | cafuego: Still, I'd prefer finding a way to NOT raise the elctric bill on needless run-time (if my usage increases it, fine, but if it's just a server running all the time and only used 30% of the time, it's pure wastefulness :) |
| 00:29.51 | kingsley | cafuego: Thanks. It appears that openoffice can. http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/ms-access/ms-access.html |
| 00:30.37 | cafuego | jpdp: Shut it down at 10pm via cron and boot it via the bios wake-up at 8am. |
| 00:31.19 | jpdp | cafuego: yeah, not a bad idea.... |
| 00:31.32 | jpdp | cafuego: wake on lan would be required so I don't have to run around booting it up all the time. |
| 00:31.33 | cafuego | kingsley: That refers to openoffice running on Windows, not on Linux. |
| 00:31.46 | nvz | duh, if cafuego even has bad ideas, doesn't say them out loud.. heh |
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| 00:32.07 | snacky | simonrvn: I didn't believe you when you said ff was marginally slower than iceweasel - but I immediately perceive some kind of difference in snappiness |
| 00:32.14 | cafuego | jpdp: WOL is a function of the mobo, so that should be easily sorted. |
| 00:32.51 | cafuego | nvz: This one time I had this great idea of going to the ski slopes *before* getting my tyres sorted out. |
| 00:33.15 | jpdp | cafuego: Probably even better would be an instance counter and some form of network service on the other boxes that the file server keeps track of the connected PCs and shuts down when the last one shuts down (and doens't come back for 10 minutes) |
| 00:33.20 | nvz | cafuego: I have no idea what that means |
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| 00:34.13 | jpdp | cafuego: My usage time is somewhat atypical....so timed shutdown wouldn't work well, but shutdown any time the keep-alive fails from the other machines (I can hack up a background app or daemon/service fairly quickly) |
| 00:34.30 | jpdp | cafuego: But it's a pretty good idea overall! |
| 00:34.37 | jelly-home | cafuego: good if it was only an idea |
| 00:34.56 | cafuego | nvz: Turns out driving on snow and black ice in the mountains, with bald tyres is a bad idea. |
| 00:35.18 | nvz | cafuego: you mean tires :P |
| 00:35.28 | cafuego | nvz: Another bad idea! |
| 00:35.31 | lumgwada | hello does apt or dpkg have a full audit option. I have a system that went awry due to disk space issues during a dist upgrade. now update/check/dist-upgrade show no errors or should I manually determine the packages that have missing files? |
| 00:35.49 | jelly-home | only if you dislike being unable to steer or brake! |
| 00:36.05 | cafuego | jelly-home: As it turns out, I do dislike being unable to steer or brake. |
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| 00:36.15 | cafuego | What with 500ft drops etc |
| 00:36.19 | jelly-home | aw, shucks |
| 00:36.35 | RockerMONO | brb |
| 00:36.36 | kingsley | cafuego: Good point. |
| 00:36.50 | nvz | I always tell the ladies I don't care if I drive or not, as long as we get where we're going, even if it takes all night :P |
| 00:36.56 | lumgwada | sorry that sentence was a bit disjointed.... |
| 00:37.16 | nvz | steering and braking sure don't matter either |
| 00:37.18 | cafuego | jelly-home: there was a fortuitous snow-pole, which stopped the car. |
| 00:37.49 | nvz | stopping is overrated anyhow |
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| 00:38.40 | cafuego | true |
| 00:38.43 | jelly-home | cafuego: well, you live to tell! |
| 00:39.32 | jelly-home | nvz: but to install it you have to be root |
| 00:39.56 | cafuego | jelly-home: Yeh, that is a good thing. |
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| 00:40.05 | cafuego | Still need to get the car fixed though. |
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| 00:42.06 | dkg | Breaking news: Etch is now stable! |
| 00:42.08 | pingouin | someone can remind me how to reconfigure time setting ? (my computer is not a the right hours) |
| 00:43.29 | Ronin | !tzconfig |
| 00:43.29 | dpkg | setting time is probably if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
| 00:43.48 | Ronin | humm, didn't say what i thought it would but pingouin tzconfig iirc |
| 00:43.57 | pingouin | good, thanks Ronin |
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| 00:45.21 | twb | "coexisting" sounds confusing, shouldn't it say "dual booting" |
| 00:45.22 | twb | ? |
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| 00:46.07 | dkg | twb: They both have similar meanings in that context |
| 00:46.22 | kingsley | cafuego: FYI: the following document says Openoffice can use Access on linux too. http://www.unixodbc.org/doc/OOoMySQL9.pdf |
| 00:46.26 | dkg | "coexisting" would only be confusing if you'd never heard of the word before |
| 00:46.39 | twb | I have, but not in that context. |
| 00:46.55 | dkg | Now you have. :) |
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| 00:47.19 | twb | It sounds to me like if you had a dos host and a unix host, and they were both x86, then they are "coexisting dos/win on your x86: |
| 00:48.10 | cafuego | kingsley: Yeah, I know. The ODBC step is different from the windows howto, though. |
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| 00:48.31 | jelly-home | dkg: but are they coexisting peacefully? |
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| 00:48.57 | dkg | jelly-home: That's the kind of question that keeps me up at night |
| 00:49.05 | cafuego | pingouin: Also, install ntp |
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| 00:50.33 | pingouin | cafuego: yeah, good idea. thanks |
| 00:51.08 | twb | ntp-simple and ntpdate |
| 00:52.22 | jelly-home | chrony ftw |
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| 00:55.13 | cafuego | ntpd and join pool.ntp.org |
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| 00:57.38 | SerajewelKS | is amd64 pretty stable these days? |
| 00:57.46 | cafuego | yes |
| 00:57.52 | SerajewelKS | cool |
| 00:58.01 | SerajewelKS | i'm getting a new dual-core amd 64 system since my mobo died |
| 00:58.18 | cafuego | it's playing Xen server |
| 00:58.27 | cafuego | The single core one is desktop :-) |
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| 00:59.28 | stoned | I love core 2 |
| 00:59.39 | stoned | until something better comes out |
| 01:00.01 | cafuego | relative to amd they are expensive here |
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| 01:00.34 | twb | It's kind of overkill for a proper desktop |
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| 01:00.44 | twb | Unless you run firefox |
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| 01:11.50 | mystic_pinguin | im dorru the question but shure the gparted works whith windows vista? |
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| 01:25.11 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 01:25.40 | Haris | Is it somehow possible to add perl code to exim filters? |
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| 01:30.35 | dondelelcaro | Haris: there are perl milter implementations, so yes. |
| 01:30.52 | dondelelcaro | Haris: but you'll have better luck asking #exim |
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| 01:31.35 | macogw | hey i compiled e17 on etch, and i copied the entrance script it made from /opt/e17/etc/init.d/entrance to the usual /etc/init.d/entrance spot, and i tried to run it, but i just get plain black. i think something's wrong with xorg since startx gives an error about dri |
| 01:31.53 | macogw | i have an ati rage ii using the open source ati driver |
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| 01:32.07 | macogw | does anyone know how to get it working? |
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| 01:33.18 | Haris | dondelelcaro: Haven't had luck yet, that's why I thought someone might know here. I need to create a folder .spam if it doesn't exist through exim filter somehow for delivering mail to it. The server uses maildir method, but this is a simple folder, just to deliver mail in |
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| 01:33.55 | a843732_ | Hi! What is the difference between k7 vserver kernel image and regural k7? |
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| 01:44.33 | kingconfessor | hello all, is anyone familiar with recording audio in rosegarden? |
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| 01:46.28 | DavidProck1981 | any one here use PWM |
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| 01:49.56 | DavidProck1981 | any one know ant thing about PWM? |
| 01:50.07 | DavidProck1981 | familer with it? |
| 01:50.40 | jeffwheeler | !tell DavidProck1981 ask |
| 01:50.45 | jeffwheeler | err |
| 01:50.48 | jeffwheeler | !ask |
| 01:50.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:50.48 | kingconfessor | rosegarden users? |
| 01:50.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: i did, but you removed it? |
| 01:51.47 | jeffwheeler | If I compile a program from scratch, and later a version comes out in my apt repositories, will it take care of any conflicts, or will I have problems? |
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| 01:53.15 | DavidProck1981 | well for some strange reason i love PWM but diss like it at the same time, if i just could find my style, the way i position my windows But and how to customize it and hotkeys and such |
| 01:54.02 | Penix | jeffwheeler: no and yes |
| 01:54.09 | Penix | jeffwheeler: if you haven't packaged it properly |
| 01:54.59 | kingconfessor | I have a problem with rendering/exporting recording from rosegarden |
| 01:55.06 | jeffwheeler | Penix: I was going to compile Glade-3 myself, because it does not appear to be in any of the official repositories, but I expect it will be eventually. |
| 01:55.23 | jeffwheeler | Penix: just from source ... I suppose I should avoid that :) |
| 01:55.27 | Penix | jeffwheeler: it's in unstable |
| 01:55.41 | jeffwheeler | Penix: are you sure? I'm running unstable, and I don't see it; what's it called? |
| 01:55.46 | Penix | jeffwheeler: glade |
| 01:55.58 | DavidProck1981 | and also ive seen a few screen shots, and i see stuff like, time clocks, just little things that r on the desktop and i dont know how to get them |
| 01:56.15 | DavidProck1981 | and media players and such, where to et them |
| 01:56.35 | Penix | kingconfessor: try ##linuxaudio |
| 01:56.36 | jeffwheeler | Penix: oh, you're absolutely correct; in the past (and in Ubuntu), I think I've always seen it with the 3 in the name; my bad |
| 01:56.39 | jeffwheeler | Penix: thank you |
| 01:56.51 | Kage`Laptop | This is a dumb question.. How do I upgrade bash in Debian? |
| 01:57.02 | Penix | yeah, I think 2.x is 'glade-2' or something similar now |
| 01:57.05 | Kage`Laptop | I'm currently running 2.05, and when I try through apt, it says I have the latest |
| 01:57.10 | Kage`Laptop | But 3.something is the latest |
| 01:57.14 | jeffwheeler | Penix: looks that way |
| 01:57.19 | Penix | Kage`Laptop: apt-get update and apt-get upgrade if there's a new version available |
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| 01:57.39 | Kage`Laptop | Penix, I did that, but it says 2.05 is the latest |
| 01:57.47 | Penix | Kage`Laptop: because it probably is |
| 01:57.51 | Penix | Kage`Laptop: running stable? |
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| 01:58.03 | Kage`Laptop | Penix, you mean Debian or Bash? |
| 01:58.07 | Penix | Kage`Laptop: Debian |
| 01:58.18 | Kage`Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:58.40 | Penix | Kage`Laptop: err...are you *sure* you're using debian? |
| 01:58.51 | Kage`Laptop | Yes |
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| 01:59.13 | Kage`Laptop | It's Debian on a VPS, so maybe it looks different |
| 01:59.26 | Penix | Kage`Laptop: well if you're using anything besides sarge, bash 3.1 is default |
| 01:59.27 | DavidProck1981 | Kage`Laptop debian has to work newer versions of stuff in, like for ex if u goto the KDE site thier version is higher than what is in hte repository, |
| 01:59.28 | simonrvn | ... |
| 01:59.34 | Penix | sarge or earlier, that is |
| 01:59.35 | DavidProck1981 | am i correct on thast every one? |
| 02:00.00 | Penix | DavidProck1981: I guess. But that's the case with most distros |
| 02:00.18 | kingconfessor | Is anyone familiar with recording audio in linux? |
| 02:00.29 | Penix | kingconfessor: yes |
| 02:00.46 | kingconfessor | Penix: have you used rosegarden |
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| 02:00.59 | Penix | kingconfessor: yes |
| 02:01.22 | kingconfessor | Penix: do you know how to render/export the recording from rosegarden? |
| 02:01.39 | Penix | kingconfessor: hook it up to something like ardour |
| 02:02.01 | Penix | kingconfessor: or go to the trouble of frigging around with the bizzare output formats it supports |
| 02:02.24 | Penix | well, they're not bizzare |
| 02:02.28 | Penix | I just don't use them |
| 02:02.32 | kingconfessor | Penix: hook it up to ardour? through jack? |
| 02:02.35 | Penix | kingconfessor: yeah |
| 02:02.40 | Kage`Laptop | I also got another issue.. E: Package libc6-i686 has no installation candidate |
| 02:02.51 | Penix | kingconfessor: or a jack-enabled audacity |
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| 02:03.23 | kingconfessor | Penix: Thanks a lot. I thought it would have a built in feature, didn't realize I had to wire it to another app. |
| 02:03.57 | Penix | kingconfessor: afaik you can export it, but it exports to some sort of csound file or something. just means extra work |
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| 02:04.28 | DavidProck1981 | is there a package of programs that come with PWM that better suit it, like ex. Konqueror is to KDE, do u get what im saying? |
| 02:04.47 | kingconfessor | Penix: thanks for all the help |
| 02:04.49 | Penix | DavidProck1981: no. it's a minimalist window manager, not a desktop environment |
| 02:04.55 | Penix | kingconfessor: no worries |
| 02:05.03 | Penix | DavidProck1981: elinks perhaps |
| 02:05.09 | DavidProck1981 | huh |
| 02:05.19 | DavidProck1981 | elinks |
| 02:05.46 | kingconfessor | Penix: for your info, i've switched to linux to do all my audio, as windows has turned its back on me as far as support goes |
| 02:05.51 | dacs | where can i get help about postfix please |
| 02:06.20 | Penix | kingconfessor: it's pretty awesome once you figure out all the alsa/jack voodoo |
| 02:06.53 | Penix | kingconfessor: I've got an m-audio card, mixer, direct inject box, keyboard, drum pad etc. all hooked up to my linux box |
| 02:07.01 | Penix | no problems at all |
| 02:07.08 | kingconfessor | Penix: I tried an all out switch to linux previously, but audio was what was holding me back, now it's what is moving me to linux |
| 02:07.47 | Penix | kingconfessor: cool. I've been a linux/unix whore since ~2000, so it came a bit easier to me, but I still got confused at times |
| 02:07.54 | kingconfessor | Penix: I got a M-audio duo, driver support in windows is for crap |
| 02:08.18 | Penix | I'm getting a Delta 66 oneday, I swear ;) |
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| 02:08.48 | kingconfessor | I'm moving to Echo, their support is a lot better. I should see if they're supported in linux |
| 02:09.03 | dondelelcaro | looked at the hammerfalls? |
| 02:09.16 | Penix | nice if you've got the dough |
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| 02:09.26 | Penix | the hammerfall, that is |
| 02:11.42 | DavidProck1981 | is there a web site where i can fine apps like players, viewers, art, games, browers, messengers, Ect. That are not dezined for a pascific desktop environment? and the site give screen shots and extra little info about the apps? |
| 02:11.58 | Penix | DavidProck1981: freshmeat.net |
| 02:11.59 | simonrvn | make one |
| 02:12.02 | MangosDebian | hammerfall? cpu? |
| 02:12.09 | Penix | MangosDebian: eh? |
| 02:12.10 | jetscreamer | no some audio thing |
| 02:12.14 | Penix | MangosDebian: sound card |
| 02:12.16 | jetscreamer | not the amd hammer |
| 02:12.27 | MangosDebian | Penix: oh. its a location in world of warcraft too ;) |
| 02:13.26 | kingconfessor | I don't have the money now, but one day I'd like pick up an Echo |
| 02:13.37 | kingconfessor | The support alone has sold me |
| 02:13.42 | MangosDebian | were i learned my trauma surgery for first aid iirc. horde village |
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| 02:14.35 | MangosDebian | FOR THE HORDE! |
| 02:14.51 | kingconfessor | well, it's my bedtime, thanks for all the help |
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| 02:16.27 | krenin | Hello... Can anyone point me to info about compiling a complete Debian release for a specific sub-architecture? |
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| 02:17.11 | Penix | damn G4 cards. why do they have to be mounted so...apple-like |
| 02:17.28 | nevaways2k | how are they mounted? |
| 02:17.58 | Penix | nevaways2k: in a way that makes it difficult to cram my powermac in a beige box ;) |
| 02:18.10 | Penix | should only need a few extra bits and pieces to pull it off though I suppose |
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| 02:18.47 | Penix | already half way |
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| 02:19.00 | macogw | when i startx i get a black and white background with a black terminal in upper left, which i dont think is right. whether i use the ati or the vesa driver, that happens. in both cases, it says it's not dri capable. with vesa (not sure on ati) it says "no matching device for intance (Bus ID PCI:1:0:0) found. in xorg, the device says 0:18.0 and lspci says 0:12.0 so, how should i go about this? |
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| 02:21.41 | jetscreamer | Bus ID PCI:1:0:0 is agp. the others are either pci or pci-e/x |
| 02:21.52 | jetscreamer | e/x i think |
| 02:21.54 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 02:22.10 | jetscreamer | find out if the dri kernel modules are loaded |
| 02:22.27 | jetscreamer | i'm not real up on that either |
| 02:22.57 | jetscreamer | if you only have one vidcard, leave that value blank |
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| 02:23.21 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.29 | jetscreamer | just comment it out or whatever |
| 02:24.35 | macogw | i have 2, because theres the integrated one, and then i have a PCI ATI Rage II |
| 02:25.27 | macogw | PCI:1:0:0 isn't in my xorg.conf at all though |
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| 02:25.54 | lightning | hello |
| 02:26.00 | macogw | the only thing is "Generic Video Card" and it says BusID "PCI:0:18:0" |
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| 02:26.42 | macogw | integrated one being not-in-use because it only does 8-bit color |
| 02:27.50 | macogw | O_o or maybe i'm messed up. the ATI could be the integrated one... |
| 02:28.13 | macogw | no wait thats only available as pci |
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| 02:29.05 | DavidProck1981 | is it harder on the system, or any thing out of the way, like if u was to NOT have KDE installed but use aps that share libs with KDE |
| 02:29.24 | macogw | the libs will then be running, but thats it |
| 02:29.32 | macogw | theyd be running if you were using kde anyway |
| 02:29.43 | macogw | er, not running exactly...but in use |
| 02:30.33 | DavidProck1981 | does doing that make the system less efficent, or would if be better to find apps that dont use hte KDE libs |
| 02:30.45 | macogw | however, then you have the gnome *and* kde libs running |
| 02:31.18 | macogw | if you have a system that has to worry about that though, you probably dont want to be using gnome anyway...something lighter weight instead |
| 02:31.37 | Penix | DavidProck1981: how would we know? we don't have your particular system in front of us |
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| 02:31.39 | macogw | all graphical programs have to load libraries though |
| 02:31.47 | Penix | DavidProck1981: try out some different apps and see what happens |
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| 02:32.43 | DavidProck1981 | im got going to use gnome or kde, are ither of those required to be installed for certin setups (trouble free) like sound and network |
| 02:33.05 | macogw | no |
| 02:33.12 | macogw | you can install whatever you want |
| 02:33.15 | Penix | DavidProck1981: it sounds like you want the best of both worlds without sacrificing anything |
| 02:33.34 | macogw | i just installed enlightenment, and im installing open office & firefox to use with it |
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| 02:34.15 | macogw | remember, that stuff can be done from the command line, so lacking a specific gui doesnt make it not-possible |
| 02:34.20 | Penix | DavidProck1981: either you run the 'easier' option and possibly give up some resources in the process, or use the 'harder' option and put a bit more effort in to configuration and possibly save resources |
| 02:34.29 | macogw | which gui you like better for each thing is your own preference though |
| 02:35.08 | macogw | i'm doing the harder one where i muck through compiling and then muck with xorg.conf instead of letting it auto-setup gnome, but i have a 10 year old computer |
| 02:36.25 | DavidProck1981 | i like PWM , and i would like to go the 'harder' option and put a bit more effort in to configuration and save resources, What all will i need to know, and where can i learn it |
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| 02:36.45 | DavidProck1981 | and i want to save HD space |
| 02:37.05 | DavidProck1981 | so get rid of all other gui's |
| 02:37.08 | macogw | know exactly which programs you want and which you dont :p |
| 02:37.49 | Penix | DavidProck1981: you expect us to list every single thing you might want to do with your system, and how to do it? |
| 02:37.53 | DavidProck1981 | how will i know what programs i must have to get my sound, video, network working |
| 02:38.02 | Penix | DavidProck1981: you read documentation |
| 02:38.20 | Penix | DavidProck1981: like the excellent Debian installation guides and references |
| 02:38.27 | Penix | DavidProck1981: or through the wonder of Google |
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| 02:40.08 | macogw | DavidProck1981: that stuff is drivers |
| 02:40.14 | macogw | DavidProck1981: thats not programs |
| 02:40.15 | DavidProck1981 | ok an example question, would i be able to remove KDE right now and when i use PWM NOT have any Sound or Network problems, is there a way to tell before hand |
| 02:40.52 | macogw | DavidProck1981: you wouldnt have a gui for telling it which wifi network to connect to, but you could do it in the command line. or install wifi-radar |
| 02:40.53 | krazykit | DavidProck1981, you can get rid of pretty much anything graphical without any problems |
| 02:41.19 | macogw | DavidProck1981: *everything* can be done without a GUI...even use a mouse |
| 02:41.33 | macogw | i forget what mouse-in-terminal is called though :p |
| 02:41.42 | Penix | gpm under Linux |
| 02:42.02 | macogw | oh thanks |
| 02:44.49 | DavidProck1981 | does gaim use KDE or GNOME libs |
| 02:45.21 | DavidProck1981 | how can i find that out on my own, dont knoqw where to start |
| 02:45.28 | Penix | DavidProck1981: man dpkg |
| 02:45.30 | nevyn | given the g.. what would you think |
| 02:45.41 | DavidProck1981 | ah ok |
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| 02:46.34 | DavidProck1981 | i just want to start useing apps that dont share anything with a desktop enviroment |
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| 02:46.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
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| 02:47.10 | macogw | DavidProck1981: GTK+, which are common to GNOME |
| 02:47.22 | macogw | DavidProck1981: they pretty much all do... |
| 02:47.32 | Penix | DavidProck1981: why? |
| 02:47.33 | macogw | DavidProck1981: Qt and GTK+ are the usual GUI libraries |
| 02:47.35 | nevyn | gaim ujses the gnome file dialog tho I think |
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| 02:47.52 | macogw | regardless of program, if it has a GUI, it has to load GUI libraries |
| 02:47.54 | nevyn | DavidProck1981: I'm with Penix why? |
| 02:47.54 | Penix | DavidProck1981: desktop environments use X. you're gonna ditch X? |
| 02:47.55 | DavidProck1981 | cause my system is starting to really lag |
| 02:48.04 | nevyn | ah |
| 02:48.06 | macogw | if you want to avoid that, dont use GUIs at all |
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| 02:48.19 | nevyn | and use 2.6.23 ;) |
| 02:48.36 | lightning | can anyone tell me what i'm supposed to do after i change fonts in .Xresources |
| 02:48.39 | lightning | i forget the command |
| 02:48.45 | DavidProck1981 | i would like to know how that would be no gui at all, what wouyld i miss out on |
| 02:48.58 | nevyn | try it. |
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| 02:49.05 | nevyn | do a minimal install |
| 02:49.16 | Penix | DavidProck1981: all the graphical apps you see in front of you right now |
| 02:49.17 | nevyn | don't select any tasks... |
| 02:49.37 | DavidProck1981 | but what subsitutes do they have |
| 02:49.46 | Penix | DavidProck1981: console, text-only equivelants |
| 02:49.50 | Penix | DavidProck1981: what do you think? |
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| 02:50.01 | Penix | err, equivalents even |
| 02:50.06 | DavidProck1981 | what r the programs, i need a good site |
| 02:50.14 | Penix | ffs |
| 02:50.16 | macogw | lightning: fc-cache |
| 02:50.17 | Penix | !spoon feed DavidProck1981 |
| 02:50.23 | macogw | lightning: i think |
| 02:50.46 | macogw | DavidProck1981: for IRC, i'm using irssi right now |
| 02:51.06 | macogw | DavidProck1981: for gaim, there's the new one which is pidgin. it's text-only version is called Finch. in the repos though, is probably Naim |
| 02:51.18 | Penix | DavidProck1981: figure out what app you're using and google for something similar for a console environment |
| 02:51.40 | Penix | iirc gaim-text is the pre-Pidgin name |
| 02:51.53 | DavidProck1981 | would there be any active running that i dont know about but would miss |
| 02:51.53 | Penix | not sure pkg wise |
| 02:52.03 | macogw | DavidProck1981: if you need an IM thing try "apt-cache search terminal instant message" |
| 02:52.07 | macogw | DavidProck1981: and itll list them |
| 02:52.25 | Red_Cloud | I have created a problem that I cannot solve. Using Kpackage I have updated gconf2 and it returns an exit 100. I have tried various options of apt-get but cannot get this fully installed or uninstalled. Help? |
| 02:53.10 | Penix | Red_Cloud: we don't know KDE errors messages. any sort of useful error being spit out anywhere? |
| 02:53.26 | Penix | Red_Cloud: like apt or dpkg output? |
| 02:54.03 | Penix | Red_Cloud: what are you wanting to do with gconf? install the new version or revert? |
| 02:54.07 | DavidProck1981 | ok one questin that will determan if i go totaly non gui, well..... there is a game i like to play (a 3d shootem up game aka cube2) would i still be able to play that with out a gui |
| 02:54.15 | DavidProck1981 | im thinking no? |
| 02:54.16 | Penix | DavidProck1981: no |
| 02:54.54 | DavidProck1981 | is there a window mannager that is even lighter that PWM |
| 02:55.12 | Penix | DavidProck1981: to extremely over-simplify things, it's like DOS and Windows. you can't run graphical win32 apps in DOS |
| 02:55.27 | DavidProck1981 | k |
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| 02:58.29 | relaxed | DavidProck1981: xinit /path/to/game |
| 02:58.55 | DavidProck1981 | relaxed what will that do |
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| 02:59.31 | relaxed | from the console running that will start the game in x. When you close the game it will dump you back to the console. |
| 02:59.45 | relaxed | man xinit |
| 03:00.30 | relaxed | DavidProck1981: Using that method you don't need any window manager. |
| 03:00.42 | DavidProck1981 | humm |
| 03:00.55 | edju | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.55 | DavidProck1981 | without a window mannager for several apps running at the same time u would use the Ctrl+Alt+F1 through F12, am i correct on that |
| 03:02.10 | macogw | yeah |
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| 03:02.24 | macogw | not sure about F7... |
| 03:02.24 | Penix | DavidProck1981: yes, or use screen |
| 03:02.37 | DavidProck1981 | what is screen |
| 03:02.42 | Penix | DavidProck1981: apt-cache show screen |
| 03:03.26 | lightning | why can't i get icewm's and xterms's font sizes to match even if they are the same? |
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| 03:03.40 | Penix | DavidProck1981: lets you run multiple shells without switching VT's with Alt-F* |
| 03:03.45 | Penix | DavidProck1981: in your case |
| 03:04.00 | keith4_ | lenny wants to remove libsasl2....? |
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| 03:04.09 | DavidProck1981 | how does it work |
| 03:04.14 | DavidProck1981 | function |
| 03:04.27 | Penix | DavidProck1981: by running on your computer |
| 03:04.29 | macogw | man screen |
| 03:04.57 | DavidProck1981 | lol verry funny, i was tring to get a visual of what it wouldbe like |
| 03:05.05 | Penix | DavidProck1981: then try installing it |
| 03:05.39 | Penix | can someone describe every feature of Internet Explorer for me, I don't want to install it to find out myself |
| 03:06.22 | DavidProck1981 | Penix r u tring to make an example of me |
| 03:06.33 | Penix | DavidProck1981: no. I'm trying to help you help yourself |
| 03:06.39 | DavidProck1981 | k |
| 03:06.40 | macogw | google is your friend |
| 03:07.02 | macogw | a good 20 minutes of googling should be done before asking questions, IMO |
| 03:07.43 | DavidProck1981 | oh what is the lightest web browser but still shows the web pages properly like a gui would |
| 03:07.49 | Penix | DavidProck1981: apt-cache show/search and google are the key to your questions. now go forth and multiply |
| 03:07.55 | macogw | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.01 | macogw | w3m can show pictures |
| 03:08.07 | macogw | but theyll be funny lookin |
| 03:08.18 | Penix | DavidProck1981: it's not hard to type 'lightweight unix web browser' in to google |
| 03:08.22 | macogw | i use lynx for terminal browsing, but you could use xinit and opera for fast |
| 03:10.24 | macogw | no wait, just ATI |
| 03:10.33 | macogw | Xorg is what i wish would be not dead |
| 03:12.04 | DavidProck1981 | aptitude search opera, gives me nothing |
| 03:12.19 | macogw | its a proprietary program |
| 03:12.25 | macogw | its not in debian's normal repos |
| 03:12.28 | macogw | find it elsewhere |
| 03:12.35 | DavidProck1981 | ah |
| 03:12.46 | DavidProck1981 | nor is w3m? |
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| 03:13.04 | macogw | i dont know |
| 03:13.09 | macogw | im usually an ubuntu user |
| 03:13.11 | macogw | its in our repos |
| 03:13.21 | macogw | w3m has a website though |
| 03:13.24 | macogw | you can get it from there |
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| 03:13.41 | rexman | :P! suckers >D |
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| 03:13.50 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
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| 03:17.02 | DavidProck1981 | cool i allready had w3m |
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| 03:18.36 | simonrvn | 'already' |
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| 03:20.29 | Noborusan | good noon ,guys |
| 03:21.22 | FuzzplugJones | hey. i've got a debian LAMP server, and all of a sudden today when i go to the website it's hosting my broswer tells me i'm trying to download a file of type application/x-httpd-php and if i want to open it or save it. what's going on? |
| 03:22.19 | macogw | ive had that happen |
| 03:22.29 | macogw | but it was during setup of the server |
| 03:22.32 | macogw | not randomly |
| 03:22.41 | macogw | there's some plugin for apache2 and php, i think |
| 03:22.49 | FuzzplugJones | some plugin? |
| 03:23.43 | FuzzplugJones | this has been running for months with no problem |
| 03:24.05 | DavidProck1981 | wow i wish i knew about w3m when i first started tring to get my ati drivers installed, cause i did not know how to do irc with no gui, but at that time w3m would have been a life saver |
| 03:26.07 | gn00b | me too, i used links |
| 03:27.44 | macogw | FuzzplugJones: any chance apt ditched something? |
| 03:27.52 | FuzzplugJones | how would i know that |
| 03:28.01 | macogw | or something got upgraded and a config file redone? |
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| 03:28.30 | FuzzplugJones | well i'd need to know what configuration option to look at. |
| 03:28.40 | macogw | idk, sorry |
| 03:29.16 | Rusty1 | FuzzplugJones: using same browser as always? |
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| 03:29.57 | FuzzplugJones | yeah, tried three different machines, IE and Firefox, and actually someone else brought it to my attention |
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| 03:31.59 | slump | do you guys runs servers with testing/lenny |
| 03:32.13 | slump | it's fine to run on production? i mean, stable |
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| 03:33.51 | damog | slump: Run stable on production servers |
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| 03:34.45 | arknold | what does "Defaults env_reset" in /etc/sudoers mean? |
| 03:35.15 | slump | arknold, clean the environment? |
| 03:35.44 | FuzzplugJones | uh oh i think i have dependency hell |
| 03:35.52 | slump | damog, but if you need some feature from a new version of software, you use backports? |
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| 03:36.31 | FuzzplugJones | i tried apt-get install php4, says php depends on libapache2-mod-php4, when i try to install that, it tells me THAT has unmet dependencies |
| 03:37.28 | arknold | the apps that i put in /etc/sudoers still require me to logon as root. what could be wrong? |
| 03:38.05 | twb | arknold: have you read the sudoers manpage? |
| 03:38.35 | arknold | twb, yes, but it does not address the problem i am facing. |
| 03:38.37 | metbsd | php4 is depreted |
| 03:38.43 | metbsd | use php5 |
| 03:38.45 | FuzzplugJones | i can't install it, then? |
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| 03:39.09 | FuzzplugJones | same exact thing happens when i try to install php5 |
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| 03:39.31 | Aaron_ | hey what's the packaged called build-essential? |
| 03:39.43 | Aaron_ | nvm |
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| 03:40.03 | arknold | twb, they used to work. |
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| 03:41.18 | FuzzplugJones | i think my apt is screwed up... |
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| 03:41.52 | Rusty1 | FuzzplugJones: paste the output of apt-get install php, whatever |
| 03:41.57 | FuzzplugJones | ok |
| 03:42.06 | FuzzplugJones | here or pastebin? |
| 03:42.24 | Rusty1 | pastebin or rafb |
| 03:42.44 | FuzzplugJones | http://pastebin.com/d4305a082 |
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| 03:43.53 | FuzzplugJones | when i try to install the first dependency i get this |
| 03:43.54 | FuzzplugJones | http://pastebin.com/d5b2d5859 |
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| 03:47.19 | FuzzplugJones | any idea? |
| 03:47.46 | macogw | woot! E17 is now working :) |
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| 03:48.15 | macogw | and OOo on a P2 is sounding like a bad plan... |
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| 03:49.24 | glguy | is there a bot command to getting UTF-8 support? I've tried to dpkg-reconfigure locales , but that doesn't seem to be having an effect on ncurses applications... |
| 03:49.43 | ArtVandalae | I want to forward X11 over SSH. The programming I'm SSHing to is a bare Debian Sarge+1 (forgot the name) box, with Scite installed. When I try to connect with putty... I get an error saying that xauth is not installed. Do I have to install anything else apart from scite (i.e. an X11 base package?) |
| 03:49.50 | ArtVandalae | *program |
| 03:49.56 | ArtVandalae | *machine |
| 03:49.57 | glguy | xbase-clients |
| 03:50.00 | ArtVandalae | thanks |
| 03:51.13 | Rusty1 | FuzzplugJones: what does apt-get install -s php5 say ? |
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| 03:51.36 | FuzzplugJones | same thing that php4 does except it wants libapache-mod-php5 |
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| 03:52.32 | ArtVandalae | glguy: cheers, it worked like a charm |
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| 03:58.23 | Rusty1 | FuzzplugJones: what does apt-get -s install libapache2-mod-php5, say? |
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| 03:59.13 | FuzzplugJones | Rusty1 http://pastebin.com/m3cd582a6 |
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| 04:00.41 | Cy^afk | hi all |
| 04:01.03 | Cy^afk | i have a question, how i can install the GD Library 2.0 with apt-get install? |
| 04:01.39 | FuzzplugJones | Rusty1 only thing i'm noticing is it wants some sarge packages but all my repositories are set to "stable" in sources.list and i was told that that's all i have to do to get etch packages... maybe whoever told me that was wrong? |
| 04:03.20 | DavidProck1981 | hay if i remove KED and GNOME and Kdm and Gdm go with it, how will i automaticly start PWM |
| 04:05.28 | Cy^afk | FuzzplugJones can u help? |
| 04:05.53 | FuzzplugJones | i can't even help MYSELF |
| 04:06.09 | Rusty1 | FuzzplugJones: did you upgrade or dist-upgrade and then things fell apart? |
| 04:06.25 | FuzzplugJones | i dist-upgraded like two weeks ago and the php stopped working yesterday |
| 04:06.28 | FuzzplugJones | er today |
| 04:06.31 | FuzzplugJones | it was working yesterday |
| 04:06.41 | FuzzplugJones | and now that i look around, the php4 libs are gone |
| 04:07.04 | Rusty1 | after a reboot |
| 04:07.15 | FuzzplugJones | same thing after a reboot |
| 04:07.22 | FuzzplugJones | brb |
| 04:07.44 | glguy | is there some kind of known problem where ncurses doesn't honor the $LANG for line drawing characters? |
| 04:07.59 | zinx | no |
| 04:08.03 | zinx | what is your LANG |
| 04:08.12 | glguy | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 04:08.16 | zinx | what program is drawing the lines, and what is your terminal emulator |
| 04:08.29 | glguy | I use PuTTY and xterm |
| 04:08.42 | zinx | xterm doesn't support utf-8 unless you use -u8 |
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| 04:08.50 | glguy | I know |
| 04:08.55 | zinx | putty.. i don't know what it supports |
| 04:09.01 | glguy | it supports it fine |
| 04:09.11 | glguy | this is a unique problem to this Debian install |
| 04:09.19 | glguy | over my gentoo install or openbsd one |
| 04:09.21 | zinx | you are using xterm -u8? |
| 04:09.24 | glguy | yes |
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| 04:10.02 | zinx | it draws fine here :x |
| 04:10.33 | glguy | good, then it is possible for it to work |
| 04:10.41 | zinx | i have this options, though - maybe it matters? XTerm*allowC1Printable: true |
| 04:10.44 | glguy | what do I need to do other than "dpkg-reconfigure locale" |
| 04:10.44 | Rusty1 | FuzzplugJones: your best bet might be to ask on one of the php channels, I'm thinking you're looking at a upgrade to apache2, php5 and a more |
| 04:11.01 | zinx | i figured c1 processing would be disabled automatically in -u8 mode though |
| 04:11.47 | zinx | glguy: just make sure LANG is set to en_US.UTF-8, that it's a generated locale (you may need to run localegen), and use -u8.. if that doesn't work, try turning on allowC1Printable (there may be a short option for it for testing, too) |
| 04:12.16 | glguy | zinx: using Putty, with the UTF-8 mode set corrcectly, it should work |
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| 04:12.20 | glguy | and LANG is set correctly |
| 04:12.22 | glguy | and exported |
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| 04:12.29 | glguy | but aptitude draws the lines wrong |
| 04:12.33 | glguy | same for sysv-rc-conf |
| 04:12.58 | K`zan | How do I get the source for the 2.6.18-4-k7 kernel, got a bug screwing up my scanner working and I need that to fix it? TIA! |
| 04:13.06 | FuzzplugJones | Rusty1 yeah but it looks like dependency hell |
| 04:13.06 | zinx | -k8 is allowC1Printable |
| 04:13.31 | zinx | make sure your TERM is set right too in each |
| 04:13.45 | glguy | zinx: xterm-color |
| 04:13.46 | glguy | ? |
| 04:14.00 | glguy | export TERM=xterm doesn't help either |
| 04:14.27 | zinx | is it drawing a single character or multiple characters? |
| 04:14.31 | zinx | for each line character |
| 04:14.37 | glguy | single |
| 04:14.42 | glguy | it is trying to use ISO8859-1 line drawing |
| 04:14.48 | zinx | your font(s) may not have lines in them :x |
| 04:14.56 | glguy | nope, that's not it either |
| 04:15.07 | glguy | I can see the lines just fine if I: |
| 04:15.10 | glguy | cat UTF-8-test.txt |
| 04:15.15 | glguy | err |
| 04:15.17 | glguy | -demo |
| 04:15.23 | zinx | try running localegen then |
| 04:15.44 | glguy | I'll rerun that now, but dpkg-reconfigure does tha twhen it closes |
| 04:16.08 | glguy | no effect |
| 04:16.25 | zinx | dunno, then. worksforme :/ |
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| 04:18.22 | frankr | Hey, I need a really lightweight MTA. |
| 04:18.28 | frankr | that just forwards through another mail server |
| 04:18.31 | ice63 | mesg dpkg mplayer |
| 04:18.39 | frankr | I'm on dialup and it'll probably take forever so something really tiny would be awesome |
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| 04:22.10 | glguy | zinx: are you able to view UTF-8-demo.txt in your xterm? on my machine the -u8 on xterm is ignored, which is why aptitude looks correct |
| 04:22.28 | glguy | if yo uare willing ot check: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cl.cam.ac.uk%2F~mgk25%2Fucs%2Fexamples%2FUTF-8-demo.txt&ei=-6G2RtfEEIbehQOC-uziBA&usg=AFQjCNHye-GXLOkEs6abhlyTkBje6iUDqA&sig2=ewkm8HA0XyqltAtc_I_YVw |
| 04:22.32 | glguy | oops |
| 04:22.39 | glguy | http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt |
| 04:24.09 | Dewi | glguy: that's a nice file, but I'm yet to find a computer with fonts to render more than 1/3 of it |
| 04:24.20 | zinx | glguy: yes, though the font it's using doesn't have most of the characters. it's drawing the boxes in the right spot, however (according to the terminal emulator i wrote, which supports pango and thus shows all of those characters) |
| 04:24.24 | glguy | Dewi: if you run debian, you have a font that does |
| 04:24.32 | Dewi | glguy: do I? |
| 04:24.37 | glguy | Dewi: fixed - misc |
| 04:24.44 | glguy | usign the iso10646-1 encoding |
| 04:25.01 | Dewi | glguy: hmm. let me take another look; I think I was using gvim |
| 04:25.17 | glguy | Dewi: that's the default font used by xterm, with a different encoding |
| 04:25.28 | Dewi | glguy: I thought all apps were meant to switch to any available font to get a character (like web browsers do) ? |
| 04:25.47 | glguy | Dewi: I don't know that xterm is that smart |
| 04:25.47 | zinx | ⌷ <- don't have that one.. erh wait, is that supposed to be a square? |
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| 04:26.13 | glguy | it is a box on my screen, but I'm not using xterm for irssi |
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| 04:26.33 | glguy | zinx: do your corners get trimmed off? |
| 04:26.39 | glguy | in the middle boxes on the end of the file? |
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| 04:27.14 | Dewi | glguy: wow, actually that looks great on my etch box with a few fonts installed. doesn't look nearly so good on sarge with no extra fonts though |
| 04:27.15 | glguy | and do you seem to have 3 small boxes off to the right |
| 04:27.18 | zinx | glguy: moment and i'll screenshot it |
| 04:27.22 | glguy | cool, thanks |
| 04:27.25 | Dewi | glguy: (this being in gvim) |
| 04:27.52 | glguy | Dewi: yeah, I think it looks cool... I don't need any of those extra langauge, but it is nice to be able to see what they look like :) |
| 04:28.26 | Dewi | glguy: yeah. As an English native in a one-language country well away from even europe, I'm not sure why I care. but I do :P |
| 04:28.58 | glguy | Dewi: if you mean the US, then you definitely aren't in a one-language country |
| 04:28.59 | glguy | :) |
| 04:29.08 | Dewi | glguy: Australia |
| 04:29.11 | glguy | ah |
| 04:29.17 | glguy | then I have no idea ;) |
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| 04:29.50 | Dewi | well there are obviously lots of languages here, but none come near being considered a "secondary" language |
| 04:30.01 | Dewi | spanish might come close for USA I suppose |
| 04:30.26 | glguy | there are areas that you can't function well without knowing it (I don't know it, so I don't go to those places :) ) |
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| 04:30.58 | Dewi | glguy: although I do live in one of the only places in Australia where the street signs are sometimes mirrored in chinese |
| 04:31.13 | Dewi | glguy: but I think that's a remnant from a more positive time |
| 04:31.24 | Dewi | s/live/work/ |
| 04:31.34 | zinx | glguy: zinx.xmms.org/misc/tmp/temu-UTF-8-demo.png zinx.xmms.org/misc/tmp/xterm-UTF-8-demo.png |
| 04:32.10 | zinx | glguy: aptitude displays normally in both. |
| 04:32.11 | Dewi | glguy: damn. There are 2 chars in that file I still can't render. :P |
| 04:32.31 | glguy | zinx: sweet, I have a custom bug |
| 04:32.32 | Dewi | zinx: oh, are you using sarge? |
| 04:32.42 | zinx | Dewi: no, sid |
| 04:32.48 | Dewi | with utf-8 |
| 04:33.02 | zinx | sarge is old |
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| 04:33.11 | Dewi | sarge was only replaced 4 months ago |
| 04:33.14 | zinx | should be moving sarge systems over to etch :/ |
| 04:33.17 | Dewi | I'm still running it a few places |
| 04:33.21 | zinx | Dewi: yes, but it's still old :) |
| 04:33.24 | glguy | Dewi: and it was old when it was replaced ;) |
| 04:33.35 | Dewi | Yeah, but we're in #debian |
| 04:33.44 | Dewi | we pretend stuff isn't horribly old in here |
| 04:33.47 | glguy | I don't mind most of my system being outdated |
| 04:33.48 | glguy | but |
| 04:33.54 | glguy | I need things like ghc to be modern |
| 04:34.08 | Dewi | luckily dpkg copes with backports so brilliantly |
| 04:34.23 | zinx | my laptop requires sid - it needs 2.6.22 (for wireless), nVidia 100.14.11 (for the video card), and various other things |
| 04:34.27 | Dewi | which reminds me... guys, can I do a dist upgrade from within aptitude? |
| 04:34.45 | Dewi | because I'm a little hesitant to do it from the command line because I'm not sure what my backports and custom packages will do |
| 04:34.48 | zinx | obviously lenny will catch up before long, but i'm used to dealing w/ sid on a daily basis already anyway |
| 04:35.31 | zinx | Dewi: it tells you what it's going to do |
| 04:35.34 | glguy | zinx: thank you for those screen shots |
| 04:35.37 | glguy | I really appreciate you taking the time |
| 04:35.40 | Xenguy | zinx: how is sid working out for you? |
| 04:35.42 | zinx | Dewi: granted it's hard to see with the spew it gives, but it does tell you |
| 04:35.47 | Dewi | zinx: true |
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| 04:35.51 | zinx | Xenguy: for me? fine. but i know how to fix things when they break. |
| 04:35.54 | lightning | where are fonts stored in debian? |
| 04:36.02 | zinx | Xenguy: i can't recommend it to normal users. |
| 04:36.14 | Dewi | zinx: not sure how to customize it from there, but I guess I'll burn that bridge when I come to it. It might just all work fine |
| 04:36.17 | Xenguy | zinx: I know - it's just the nvidia thing :-) |
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| 04:36.22 | frankr | Dewi: I run unstable or testing on all my comps |
| 04:36.22 | lightning | !fonts |
| 04:36.23 | dpkg | it has been said that fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis |
| 04:36.26 | frankr | Which is not at all old |
| 04:36.41 | zinx | light: /usr/share/fonts/ for X fonts, various other places for other fonts |
| 04:36.54 | lightning | thank you zinx |
| 04:37.16 | Dewi | frankr: sure. but it's better to err on the side of caution and stick to stable. Having old software isn't as bad as people think |
| 04:37.36 | zinx | defoma looks like it may have its own font stuff as well |
| 04:37.42 | zinx | i don't have to deal with fonts much on debian :/ |
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| 04:38.01 | Dewi | frankr: but I'm only saying that because etch is still new and we're talking about people who don't know, or don't want to, fix stuff all the time |
| 04:38.20 | Dewi | (ie me :) |
| 04:38.26 | lightning | what is the name of the other file browser, not thunar or nautilus? |
| 04:38.35 | robboplus | is it possible to redirect a host trying to connect to one of my ports to another port so it can't see that? but just for the particular source ip |
| 04:38.35 | macogw | oooo the red hat liberation fonts should be added to that bot response |
| 04:38.49 | macogw | lightning: konqueror? |
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| 04:38.57 | lightning | no, i thought there was another |
| 04:38.57 | frankr | Dewi: I don't have to fix stuff all the time haha |
| 04:39.00 | Dewi | robboplus: why redirect when you can just drop or reject? |
| 04:39.08 | frankr | My server, which runs testing, has been running comfortably for months |
| 04:39.10 | Dewi | robboplus: use the iptables firewall for that |
| 04:39.16 | Dewi | robboplus: (you can do any of the 3) |
| 04:39.16 | frankr | And this comp handles plenty and it's older, and it has unstable on it |
| 04:39.17 | robboplus | Dewi because i don't want to reject... i just want to fool that guy |
| 04:39.28 | robboplus | Dewi so iptables can do that for me? |
| 04:39.37 | Dewi | robboplus: I reckon so. I'm no expert on it though |
| 04:39.47 | Dewi | but... yeah. it could easily. |
| 04:39.57 | robboplus | Dewi damn nice |
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| 04:40.20 | robboplus | Dewi i will send the guy to some shithole then and let him hump some dummy service for whole night :) |
| 04:40.22 | Dewi | frankr: there's also the security situation to think of |
| 04:40.46 | Dewi | frankr: stable lets you separate functional (break-inducing) changes from security fixes in a way testing does not |
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| 04:41.26 | Dewi | anyway I don't have time to argue for stable right now |
| 04:41.43 | Dewi | it has long been policy in here to recommend stable unless there's a good reason otherwise |
| 04:41.59 | Dewi | and especially right now when etch is new, there are few downsides |
| 04:42.23 | zinx | etch is definitely recommended unless you have good reason not to use it, and are willing to deal with it when things break |
| 04:42.34 | zinx | (note: that is an "and", not an "or") |
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| 04:42.38 | Dewi | it should be noted that it's damn simple to go from etch to lenny |
| 04:42.46 | Dewi | if you ever need to |
| 04:42.50 | Dewi | and not at all easy to get back :) |
| 04:43.09 | glguy | I agree that its easy |
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| 04:43.14 | glguy | I did it on this vmware image today |
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| 04:44.32 | glguy | do you know off hand how Debian's testing compares to Ubuntu's stable or say Gentoo's stable? |
| 04:45.06 | lightning | thank you, brb |
| 04:45.20 | Xenguy | glguy: I am learning that stable is most often the sweet spot :-) |
| 04:46.10 | glguy | probably true, but I was still interested in that question |
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| 04:46.53 | lightning | what is the default DPI of fonts? |
| 04:46.53 | glguy | I wish there was one clear "correct" way to run packages from testing while staying in stable |
| 04:46.58 | glguy | (specific packages) |
| 04:47.17 | Xenguy | !pinning |
| 04:47.17 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
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| 04:47.40 | glguy | Xenguy: yeah.. I asked dpkg about backports |
| 04:47.51 | glguy | but I couldn't find a backport for ghc6 at first try |
| 04:48.45 | glguy | oh, backporting is manually recompiling from sources? |
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| 04:48.58 | simonrvn | !backports |
| 04:48.59 | dpkg | backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 04:49.06 | Xenguy | glguy: not usually |
| 04:49.35 | Xenguy | glguy: er, they are usually available as packages |
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| 04:50.06 | lightning | if i'm running icewm should i be using x-fonts? |
| 04:50.24 | glguy | Xenguy: if http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/g/ghc6/ only shows the stable version of the package |
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| 04:50.32 | glguy | Xenguy: does that mean that it doens't have a backport for the new version? |
| 04:50.44 | glguy | Xenguy: or that I'm looking in the wrong place |
| 04:50.55 | factor | does anyone know some code or a lib to manpiulate the mouse and keyboard via c/c++? |
| 04:51.13 | Xenguy | glguy: not sure honestly (just a pointer that works sometimes) |
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| 04:52.29 | glguy | oh well, no biggie, testing seems to be working out for now |
| 04:52.39 | glguy | except for UTF-8 support, which didn't work for me in etch either |
| 04:53.03 | glguy | maybe I'm missing some common package because I didn't install the desktop environment package in the beginning |
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| 04:54.41 | el_isma | Hello! I need help. I want to bridge my ethernet iface with my wifi one. I'm following the howtos but it doesn't work and I can't spot what I'm doing wrong... Anyone has experience with this? |
| 04:56.18 | twb | Hey kids, at home there's a laser printer hooked up to some XP box that windows users can print to remotely. What would I be looking at to make my workstation print to it? |
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| 04:59.00 | metbsd | is there howto about debian syslog daemon? |
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| 04:59.15 | metbsd | i want syslogd to hear remote syslog |
| 04:59.22 | predder | twb, probably some sort of samba client |
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| 05:00.03 | twb | metbsd: edit /etc/default/syslog |
| 05:00.27 | twb | metbsd: edit /etc/default/syslogd, change SYSLOGD="" to SYSLOGD="-r", as shown in the comments |
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| 05:00.36 | metbsd | i can't find it |
| 05:00.53 | metbsd | is the /etc/default/syslogd being used? |
| 05:01.07 | twb | It is probably sources by /etc/init.d/syslogd |
| 05:01.10 | twb | *sourced |
| 05:01.13 | twb | metbsd: you may also need to mess with /etc/hosts.{allow,.deny} |
| 05:01.24 | metbsd | is /etc/default/syslogd being used by /etc/init.d/syslogd? |
| 05:01.44 | twb | metbsd: /etc/init.d/sysklogd, rather. |
| 05:01.56 | metbsd | ok |
| 05:01.58 | twb | It contains test ! -r /etc/default/syslogd || . /etc/default/syslogd |
| 05:02.01 | metbsd | so information in this http://www.aboutdebian.com/syslog.htm is wrong |
| 05:02.11 | metbsd | syslogd is not in /etc/init.d |
| 05:02.22 | metbsd | i keep searching syslogd in init.d |
| 05:02.27 | twb | That's for sarge, and probably out of date |
| 05:02.37 | metbsd | is there an updated one for etch? |
| 05:02.42 | twb | NFI |
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| 05:02.59 | metbsd | no further information? |
| 05:03.07 | glguy | metbsd: I have a sysklogd |
| 05:03.09 | glguy | in my init.d |
| 05:03.13 | glguy | is that what you wanted? |
| 05:03.19 | metbsd | no |
| 05:03.20 | twb | I divined that it is for sarge from the first line: "The material presented on this page is based on a Sarge system[...]" |
| 05:03.27 | glguy | oh OK :) |
| 05:03.38 | metbsd | syslogd is different in etch and sarge? |
| 05:03.47 | twb | Lots of things are different. |
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| 05:05.06 | Rambozo | How can a person set up WPA supplicant properly in Etch? Is there a guide out there somewhere? |
| 05:05.33 | metbsd | wpa_supplicant.conf man page should tells alot |
| 05:05.55 | el_isma | Rambozo: If you're using kde or gnome network manager is a good program |
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| 05:08.10 | Rambozo | el_isma: Where can I launch the gnome networking tool? |
| 05:08.18 | metbsd | if i ADD *.* @debianbox |
| 05:08.19 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.44 | el_isma | Rambozo: Sorry, I use KDE. |
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| 05:16.30 | DavidProck1981 | lol at me, how do u install a .deb from a xterm, ive allways used the gui |
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| 05:17.37 | ArtVandalae | DavidProck1981: dpkg -i <pkgname>.db |
| 05:17.39 | ArtVandalae | *deb |
| 05:18.02 | ArtVandalae | DavidProck1981: also, man dpkg when you're unsure :) |
| 05:18.03 | DavidProck1981 | oh thought there was more to it |
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| 05:18.26 | DavidProck1981 | how will man dpkg help |
| 05:18.45 | DavidProck1981 | oh wait i was thinking of something else |
| 05:18.48 | DavidProck1981 | n/m |
| 05:19.25 | DavidProck1981 | hay u know what is crazy..... |
| 05:20.11 | ArtVandalae | nope |
| 05:20.22 | DavidProck1981 | i did aptitude remove kde, it took off tons of programs but kde is still here im on it now, just that its style looks more like windows 3.11 LMAO |
| 05:21.04 | DavidProck1981 | well half and half from windows 3.11 and a pre 95 lol |
| 05:21.17 | ArtVandalae | Do you have still have KDE apps there? :P |
| 05:21.24 | ArtVandalae | Maybe you just have the window manager left? :P |
| 05:21.52 | DavidProck1981 | a lot of dke apps |
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| 05:22.04 | DavidProck1981 | tlike konquor |
| 05:22.24 | DavidProck1981 | iceweasle |
| 05:22.51 | DavidProck1981 | some kde games |
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| 05:23.29 | DavidProck1981 | a lot under system menu |
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| 05:24.18 | DavidProck1981 | actually it looks much more clean and not as bulky |
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| 05:24.56 | dos000_ | howdy |
| 05:25.14 | DavidProck1981 | doody |
| 05:26.01 | metbsd | syslogd is from bsd? |
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| 05:26.22 | dos000_ | i am seing this issue on etch .. http://tompson.wordpress.com/2007/01/04/invalid-apache-ssl-firefox-error-code/ |
| 05:26.28 | Penix | metbsd: eh? |
| 05:26.47 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.47 | dos000_ | i have been googling and trying to fix it for a while now ... no luck |
| 05:27.44 | Penix | metbsd: once upon a time |
| 05:27.57 | dos000_ | oops ... actual explanation http://dertompson.com/index.php/2007/01/04/invalid-apache-ssl-firefox-error-code/ |
| 05:28.07 | metbsd | i'm trying to log all logs from network |
| 05:28.15 | metbsd | so im configuring syslog daemon |
| 05:28.18 | dos000_ | for the life of me is still gives the same error |
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| 05:30.35 | dos000_ | anyone can explain what they mean by matching SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/apache2/ssl/XXXXXX ??? |
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| 05:32.16 | niru | Hi all |
| 05:32.27 | niru | I have internal blutooth support for my laptop |
| 05:32.36 | Penix | dos000_: are you aware of the need for some sort of SSL certificate for your server? |
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| 05:33.51 | dos000_ | Penix, i have been creating my own ssl certifcate ... apache just does not like something i am doing |
| 05:34.08 | dos000_ | Penix, the certf is ok .. i have verified it again and again |
| 05:34.33 | dos000_ | Penix, i also created self signed and thawte signed certf before ! |
| 05:35.09 | dos000_ | i was thinking this to be a known stupid error somewhere in apache2 |
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| 05:36.15 | dos000_ | anyone can tell me what is etc/apache2/sites-available/default-ssl for ? |
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| 05:37.16 | dos000_ | btw. I had my certf using appache-ssl-certficate in sarge. Now moving to etch evrything that used to work is failing apart |
| 05:37.53 | lymeca | Is there a way I can find out why my Xorg process is taking 150MB of RAM after I boot without doing anything? |
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| 05:40.01 | lightning | does xorg use 75 or 100 dpi fonts by default? |
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| 05:54.11 | dos000_ | looks like i am facing http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=395936#5 |
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| 05:58.25 | Noborusan | why so quiet today ? tonight |
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| 05:58.51 | streuner | idlers grows and grows and grows ;-) |
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| 05:59.02 | Noborusan | hi streuner ,how are you |
| 05:59.03 | dpkg | mas o menos, Noborusan |
| 05:59.14 | streuner | hi |
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| 06:01.02 | streuner | no worries, that happens sometimes |
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| 06:26.36 | speeves | hey folks, is apache2.2 missing the NO_START code to block auto-start for apache2? |
| 06:26.52 | Muffin | Heya...I'm having trouble updating the sasl2-bin package currently. Running debian testing. It tries to start saslauthd, and just hangs... |
| 06:26.53 | speeves | i'm not finding it in /etc/init.d/apache2 nor /etc/default/apache2 |
| 06:27.32 | Muffin | speeves: I have NO_START = 0 in my /etc/default/apache2 file. |
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| 06:28.08 | Muffin | Well, without the spaces. NO_START=0 to start, =1 to not start. |
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| 06:29.36 | speeves | I should clarify that I am running ii apache2 2.2.4-2 |
| 06:29.48 | speeves | thanks, Muffin |
| 06:29.54 | tarzeau | abchirk: 18:13 < abrotman> i'm surprised tarzeau hasn't made an abrotman.istheshit.net |
| 06:29.57 | tarzeau | abrotman... |
| 06:30.02 | tarzeau | abchirk: sorry not you |
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| 06:32.39 | TiMiDo | hey im getting this error http://pastebin.ca/647187 |
| 06:32.41 | TiMiDo | any help please |
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| 06:32.50 | twb | Grr, why is evince ignoring my umask- oh, probably it's preserving the permissions for the original file |
| 06:32.59 | Noborusan | anyone here use XFS file system ? |
| 06:33.07 | twb | Noborusan: yes. |
| 06:33.18 | TiMiDo | any ideas? |
| 06:33.24 | force | i'm using openldap, slaptest produces <database> failed init (bdb)!, it says bad configuration file but everything is fine, anyone know a fix? |
| 06:33.30 | Noborusan | hi twb ,have you tried use quota on XFS ? |
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| 06:33.43 | twb | Noborusan: no, I've only done that on ext3. |
| 06:34.01 | Noborusan | twb, okay,great,so would you tell me how do i check that if quota works ? |
| 06:34.12 | TiMiDo | any ideas why im getting this error? |
| 06:34.16 | Noborusan | twb, i just created an user and specify diskspace for him |
| 06:34.28 | twb | Noborusan: do you have aquota.* files in the root directory of the filesystem? |
| 06:34.35 | Noborusan | twb, i type in as 'quota username' it shows what i set it for,does this mean it works ? |
| 06:34.49 | twb | I presume so. |
| 06:34.50 | Noborusan | twb, let me check |
| 06:35.20 | twb | You can test it by setting the soft quota lower than the user's current usage, then running/waiting for the warning script to send them mail |
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| 06:36.02 | TiMiDo | any help please |
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| 06:36.45 | Noborusan | twb, no,i do not have such file aquota |
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| 06:37.53 | Noborusan | twb, i created an user named jksing,assign him 4000MB |
| 06:38.26 | Noborusan | twb, i ran 'quota jksing' i got this http://pastebin.ca/647192 |
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| 06:38.48 | Noborusan | twb, how would you think ? |
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| 06:40.33 | TiMiDo | hey im getting this error http://pastebin.ca/647187 |
| 06:40.35 | TiMiDo | any help please |
| 06:42.14 | sdiz | TiMiDo: what does `ls -l /usr/share/fonts` show? |
| 06:42.37 | macogw | TiMiDo: to update the font cache, use "fc-cache" |
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| 06:43.27 | TiMiDo | /usr/share/fonts: failed to write cache |
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| 06:44.08 | TiMiDo | sdiz, drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2007-08-05 22:41 truetype |
| 06:44.08 | TiMiDo | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2007-08-05 22:39 type1 |
| 06:44.08 | TiMiDo | drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 2007-08-05 22:42 X11 |
| 06:44.14 | TiMiDo | that's what i've got |
| 06:44.20 | Supaplex | !+info ttf-opensymbol |
| 06:44.22 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:44.38 | dpkg | ttf-opensymbol: (The OpenSymbol TrueType font), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.2.1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 198 kB, Installed size: 376 kB |
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| 06:44.56 | Supaplex | !+info ttf-opensymbol lenny |
| 06:44.58 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:45.22 | dpkg | ttf-opensymbol: (The OpenSymbol TrueType font), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch1 (lenny), Packaged size: 279 kB, Installed size: 464 kB |
| 06:45.34 | Supaplex | ok, so TiMiDo is running sid. |
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| 06:45.48 | TiMiDo | Supaplex, what can i do? |
| 06:46.36 | Siddharta | hello everybody |
| 06:47.05 | TiMiDo | any ideas with this erorr? |
| 06:47.07 | Siddharta | i've just installing an etch debian version on my laptop |
| 06:47.56 | twb | Noborusan: you need to generate the aquota database |
| 06:48.05 | TiMiDo | any ideas please |
| 06:48.08 | TiMiDo | twb, can you help me? |
| 06:48.11 | Siddharta | i noticed that there was only a 2.6.18 kernel so i decided to install a 2.6.20 or 2.6.21 kernel and follow the backports advices to do so |
| 06:48.48 | Supaplex | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=392025 |
| 06:48.58 | twb | Hmm, perhaps you don't |
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| 06:49.11 | twb | Noborusan: look at /etc/init.d/quota, notice it treats xfs specially |
| 06:49.18 | sdiz | TiMiDo: see bug 392025 ? |
| 06:49.21 | TiMiDo | Supaplex, yeah? |
| 06:49.25 | TiMiDo | so what do i do? |
| 06:49.33 | sdiz | oops. |
| 06:50.00 | TiMiDo | let's see |
| 06:50.03 | Supaplex | TiMiDo: I don't know, we're tying to figure that out |
| 06:50.07 | TiMiDo | Regenerating fonts cache... failed. |
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| 06:50.16 | wolesk | i have a .sh script to do rsync. right now, i manually cd to the dir of the .sh script and execute it. i want to put the steps into a script and run it as non-root. which is the easiest way to do it? |
| 06:50.29 | Siddharta | for the moment i have this Linux 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP, but even with updating my source.list with backports entry i don't find any smp version of linux image of 2.6.20 (or 21) smp kernel |
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| 06:51.07 | twb | Supaplex: netbooting still isn't working for me, despite being able to fetch pxelinux.0 directly with an ordinary tftp client, and despite dnsmasq passing correct next-server and filename settings |
| 06:51.09 | Supaplex | TiMiDo: have you reviewed the bug I posted? There's atleast one thing to verify |
| 06:51.09 | vlt | Hello. I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but can I change the resolution of a running xvncserver (or xvnc4server)? |
| 06:51.21 | TiMiDo | Supaplex, i did the dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 06:51.40 | Supaplex | TiMiDo: see the reply message in the bug report |
| 06:52.00 | TiMiDo | i did Supaplex |
| 06:52.14 | Supaplex | TiMiDo: how's your disk space? |
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| 06:52.19 | Noborusan | twb, yes i have that file quota in /etc/init.d |
| 06:52.28 | Noborusan | twb, says its an excutable file |
| 06:52.30 | TiMiDo | Supaplex, is big |
| 06:53.12 | Siddharta | as i can see with aptitude search that it is written "Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SMP - transition package" i would like to know if there is still specially linux-image for smp |
| 06:53.17 | Siddharta | or not |
| 06:53.30 | twb | Noborusan: read it |
| 06:53.38 | TiMiDo | is there any way to fixed this problem Supaplex ? |
| 06:53.43 | twb | Noborusan: understand it. |
| 06:53.57 | speeves | found my answer about NO_START and apache2.2 in the changelog -- * Remove the NO_START kludge. Now you have to use rc*.d symlinks to disable |
| 06:53.57 | speeves | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:54.25 | Muffin | Anyone having trouble installing sasl2-bin (2.1.22.dfsg1-13)? For me, it just hangs. |
| 06:54.31 | Supaplex | TiMiDo: can you post a confirmation to that bug so the maintainer is aware it's still an issue? |
| 06:54.38 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:54.59 | Noborusan | twb, ok |
| 06:55.16 | TiMiDo | is there anyway to fixed it with apt? |
| 06:55.18 | twb | wolesk: clarify. What steps are you trying to automate? |
| 06:55.19 | TiMiDo | apt-get autoclean |
| 06:55.20 | TiMiDo | or something |
| 06:55.42 | Siddharta | so , as i have a 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP kernel , what is the linux-image i have to choose for having a 2.6.20 or 2.6.21 kernel ? |
| 06:55.44 | Supaplex | TiMiDo: possibly downgrade that package. |
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| 06:56.13 | cafuego | speeves: in other words: 'update-rc.d -f apache remove' |
| 06:56.16 | TiMiDo | Supaplex, how? |
| 06:56.23 | cafuego | s/apache/apache2/ |
| 06:56.23 | Supaplex | !tell TiMiDo -about downgrade |
| 06:56.42 | Supaplex | TiMiDo: but it'll remain broken unless the maintainer is aware of the issue. |
| 06:56.47 | Supaplex | !tell TiMiDo -about reportbug |
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| 06:56.54 | Supaplex | (eg, in sid) |
| 06:57.46 | Supaplex | TiMiDo: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427447 |
| 06:58.25 | wolesk | twb, my script has 3 lines: su, cd /myrsync, ./rsync-backup.sh. |
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| 06:58.42 | Supaplex | TiMiDo: did you aptitude update recently to? |
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| 06:59.18 | TiMiDo | nope i just did apt-get update |
| 06:59.25 | twb | wolesk: su? |
| 06:59.46 | twb | wolesk: surely that will not work. |
| 07:00.04 | twb | wolesk: incidentally, you might be interested in rsnapshot. |
| 07:00.05 | wolesk | twb, don't i have to be su to do rsync? i need to mount the dest. drive, at least. |
| 07:00.21 | twb | rsync can operate on remote filesystems using ssh. |
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| 07:00.58 | wolesk | twb, i am using it to backup my drives on my desktop system. |
| 07:01.19 | twb | That sounds like something that would be easier to do with rsnapshot. |
| 07:01.44 | twb | With mount and umount commands as the pre/post hooks, respectively. |
| 07:01.59 | wolesk | twb, that would be later. right now, the .sh script i have is working fine for me. i just need to automate the steps, that's all. |
| 07:02.19 | twb | What's wrong with su -c /myrsync/rsync-backup.sh? |
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| 07:02.49 | wolesk | twb, that does -c mean? |
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| 07:03.25 | twb | wolesk: it is described in the manual. |
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| 07:11.12 | hermann_348 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=348 klick plx |
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| 07:12.18 | wolesk | twb, the script works with the line you mentioned, from command-line. but can't work from kde menu. |
| 07:13.13 | twb | wolesk: do you type a password? |
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| 07:14.26 | jelly-home | twb, wolesk: rsnapshot _is_ a wrapper for rsync. there's a number of those around. |
| 07:14.36 | twb | jelly-home: indeed. |
| 07:14.56 | jelly-home | reinventing the wheel may be fun, however |
| 07:15.07 | twb | Well, there are technical issues with rsnapshot |
| 07:15.22 | wolesk | twb, when i execute fr command-line, it prompt me for the password but when i do it fr kde menu, no prompt. seems like a screen open and close. |
| 07:15.25 | twb | For example, it seems to stop at the first error |
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| 07:15.47 | twb | wolesk: probably because standard input is not a tty. |
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| 07:16.31 | twb | wolesk: try setting "run in terminal" or whatever |
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| 07:17.33 | wolesk | twb, iwas about to tell you that i had already done that. |
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| 07:18.34 | twb | wolesk: I know not what more to do. |
| 07:18.39 | Noborusan | does anyone know how to tell --dport to allow port from 1000 to 1200 ? |
| 07:18.50 | twb | Noborusan: if you mean iptables, use -m multiport |
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| 07:19.07 | Noborusan | twb, not --dport ? |
| 07:19.13 | twb | Noborusan: RTFM |
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| 07:19.58 | Noborusan | twb, ok |
| 07:20.05 | twb | man iptables | grep -A 15 multiport |
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| 07:20.26 | Uranellus|nb | hello, I need to install debian for arm(!) onto a usb-stick which is right now attached to a x86_64 system |
| 07:20.27 | Supaplex | iptables has --help to, and more help is provided on the module if you loaded it. iptables -m multiport --help |
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| 07:22.04 | twb | Uranellus|nb: can't you just dd a pre-prepared image onto it? |
| 07:23.29 | Uranellus|nb | twb: i could .. if you know where to get an image for arm from |
| 07:24.10 | twb | I thought there were some on debian.org, but ICBW |
| 07:24.49 | Uranellus|nb | twb: thanks though, I'll look for that |
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| 07:33.25 | twb | Uranellus|nb: oh wait, that will probably be the debian installer |
| 07:33.43 | twb | Uranellus|nb: you want to actually boot a debian system off the USB device directly, yes? |
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| 07:35.11 | simonrvn | any of you folks know what sort of test i need tn order to check the exit status of a sub command, in sh? |
| 07:35.13 | Uranellus|nb | twb: actually I'm not sure right now .. trying to do this http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ .. but I'd like to install onto the stick from a machine that has the installationsources already locally |
| 07:35.29 | jelly-home | Uranellus|nb: I bet #debian-arm (on irc.debian.org) would know something about your predicament |
| 07:35.41 | Uranellus|nb | jelly-home: I'm there too ;) |
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| 07:36.20 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 07:36.34 | jelly-home | simonrvn: $? |
| 07:36.40 | twb | Well shit. My dad just brought home some crazy VOIP junk and he's like "what, your routers don't have power-over-ethernet?!" |
| 07:36.52 | jelly-home | simonrvn: (it's not a test, it's a variable ;-) |
| 07:36.56 | simonrvn | yeh, that's true... thanks :) |
| 07:37.01 | simonrvn | yeh duh me :) |
| 07:37.11 | twb | He'll probably now get shitty because it doesn't go through the firewall. (Big surprise there!) |
| 07:37.36 | jelly-home | on %ERROR% goto barf |
| 07:38.03 | simonrvn | wha? this isn't BASIC ;p |
| 07:38.18 | jelly-home | it's not DOS .bat files, either |
| 07:38.31 | simonrvn | nope :) |
| 07:38.47 | simonrvn | i've never written those ;) |
| 07:39.06 | jelly-home | lucky you |
| 07:39.58 | simonrvn | hmm, so here i need the exit status of diff, 0 being the files are the same, and 1 being they are different (as usual) |
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| 07:40.17 | sylpheedClaws | hey all |
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| 07:40.56 | sylpheedClaws | I just did a base install for Etch because I needed my ipw3945 drivers |
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| 07:41.09 | sylpheedClaws | I installed them manually, and now my connection is working |
| 07:41.32 | sylpheedClaws | but it needs a WEP key to do anything, so which file should I edit to add it? |
| 07:41.49 | sylpheedClaws | since it's a base install, I don't have X |
| 07:42.14 | liable | interfaces file |
| 07:42.21 | sylpheedClaws | /etc/interfaces? |
| 07:42.22 | jelly-home | simonrvn: if you only need the value once, you can eg. if cmp -s foo bar; then echo SAME; fi |
| 07:42.35 | simonrvn | /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:42.47 | liable | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:43.16 | jelly-home | simonrvn: that is, use the command (cmp here) as a test directly. |
| 07:43.37 | sylpheedClaws | as for the line to add? |
| 07:43.54 | sylpheedClaws | wait, never mind |
| 07:44.03 | sylpheedClaws | I have a working /etc/network/interfaces already |
| 07:44.11 | sylpheedClaws | thanks for everything, I'll try it out |
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| 07:45.02 | jelly-home | simonrvn: diff is text-oriented and I usually don't need the output, while cmp -s is quiet. |
| 07:45.13 | ikr1sse | i didn't have time to check if my question was answered yesterday; i look for drivers for the Attansic L1 Gigabit networking card, those doesn't ship with elive as it seems, anyone with experience? |
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| 07:45.24 | simonrvn | mm, ok. thank you jelly-home. makes sense |
| 07:45.30 | Noborusan | i can't believe it my debian server runs very smoothly :) 8 days uptime now |
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| 07:46.02 | Noborusan | I am very happy that whenver after i come home and ssh to my server to see the beautiful login prompt :) |
| 07:46.07 | Noborusan | whenever* |
| 07:46.44 | simonrvn | well yeh ;) |
| 07:46.53 | simonrvn | top - 03:46:48 up 51 days, 6:47, 10 users, load average: 1.16, 1.41, 1.72 |
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| 07:47.10 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.16 | jelly-home | ... and that's Windows ;-) |
| 07:47.23 | liable | heh |
| 07:47.28 | simonrvn | windowmaker? |
| 07:47.34 | simonrvn | :P |
| 07:47.50 | jelly-home | no, a MS Windows machine |
| 07:47.53 | Noborusan | simonrvn, oh,jealous |
| 07:48.11 | simonrvn | nah, i've had long uptaimes too, hardly |
| 07:48.16 | simonrvn | uptimes* |
| 07:48.23 | Noborusan | cool |
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| 07:48.35 | twb | 5:48pm up 206 day(s), 23:27, 6 users, load average: 1.07, 1.02, 0.72 |
| 07:48.45 | simonrvn | not really, means you haven't updated the kernel ;) |
| 07:48.47 | Noborusan | twb, gees |
| 07:48.49 | liable | kernel security upgrades are usually the only reason |
| 07:48.54 | TiMiDo | http://pastebin.ca/647220 any ideas why im getting this error |
| 07:49.03 | liable | to reboot |
| 07:49.12 | Noborusan | simonrvn, that does mean after kernel upgrading need a reboot or so ? |
| 07:49.32 | simonrvn | see liable said |
| 07:49.36 | simonrvn | see what* |
| 07:49.37 | Noborusan | I see |
| 07:49.39 | TiMiDo | can someone help me to fixed this problem please |
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| 07:49.51 | twb | To be fair, that's a SunOS system |
| 07:50.18 | twb | SunOS vanilla 5.8 Generic_108528-19 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Blade-100 |
| 07:50.29 | jelly-home | twb: that's solaris! |
| 07:50.42 | simonrvn | slowaris :P |
| 07:50.52 | cast | 03:50:26 up 48 days with linode.com [2.6.21] :) |
| 07:50.56 | Noborusan | by the way,can someone please tell me what is the difference between -m multiport --dport: port:port and just without adding -m multiport ? |
| 07:51.07 | twb | Noborusan: it's dports |
| 07:51.09 | Noborusan | i have just tried the last one,seems it works as well,hmmm |
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| 07:51.24 | Noborusan | twb, yeah,dports,sorry for typo |
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| 07:51.57 | twb | Did you delete the first entry before adding it again without -m? |
| 07:52.27 | jelly-home | Noborusan: the standard can only do a range or a single port |
| 07:52.47 | twb | jelly-home: you can do a range without multiports? |
| 07:52.50 | Noborusan | twb, i tried to just add a new line in iptables that is --dport:10000:10050 for proftpd in passiv mode |
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| 07:52.54 | Noborusan | passive even |
| 07:52.56 | jelly-home | twb: sure |
| 07:53.01 | twb | jelly-home: huh, I didn't know that |
| 07:53.14 | Noborusan | twb, but i wonder if i should have added -m multiport in the same line as well ? |
| 07:53.39 | twb | Noborusan: curiously, I don't need to explicitly allow passive ports under vsftpd |
| 07:53.52 | Noborusan | jelly-home, my goal is allowing to destinitioin port from 10000 to 10050 |
| 07:54.04 | liable | twb: is that during an upgrade? |
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| 07:54.09 | twb | liable: eh? |
| 07:54.13 | jelly-home | Noborusan: don't need multiport for that |
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| 07:54.18 | liable | TiMiDo: ^^ |
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| 07:54.33 | liable | nicktab borken |
| 07:54.36 | twb | Noborusan: I was wrong, just use --dport foo:bar |
| 07:54.41 | Noborusan | jelly-home, i see,maybe that multiport refers to when you need some un-continued ports to be added.thanks. |
| 07:54.50 | twb | liable: you've lost me. |
| 07:54.54 | TiMiDo | liable, can you help me? |
| 07:54.58 | liable | TiMiDo: wrong nick |
| 07:55.03 | Noborusan | twb, hai :) |
| 07:55.04 | liable | twb: ^^ |
| 07:55.05 | TiMiDo | blah, |
| 07:55.08 | liable | gah |
| 07:55.18 | TiMiDo | http://pastebin.ca/647220 any ideas why im getting this error |
| 07:55.19 | twb | Yay for non-threading |
| 07:55.21 | TiMiDo | any ideas? |
| 07:55.23 | jelly-home | Noborusan: indeed. and it uses a slightly different argument (dports vs. dport) |
| 07:55.24 | liable | TiMiDo: whats the entire context of the problem |
| 07:55.37 | TiMiDo | liable, im doing an apt-get -f install |
| 07:55.49 | TiMiDo | but is throwing me an error message |
| 07:55.55 | liable | TiMiDo: and why are you needing to do that? |
| 07:55.56 | TiMiDo | http://pastebin.ca/647187 |
| 07:55.57 | Noborusan | jelly-home, oh,i didn't notice that tiny difference of that letter 's',thanks. |
| 07:56.20 | TiMiDo | liable, because i want to installed something but it doesn't let me |
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| 07:57.22 | liable | TiMiDo: have you checked the bts for that package? |
| 07:57.38 | TiMiDo | yeap, i've noticed they we're reporting a bug on it |
| 07:57.51 | TiMiDo | liable, is there any way i can fixed this problem |
| 07:58.19 | delliott | If I upgrade from Stable to Testing (etch -> lenny) will I still be able to use the etch kernel without any unexpected problems occuring? |
| 07:58.21 | liable | TiMiDo: just wait for it to be fixed if you cant track it down yourself |
| 07:58.34 | TiMiDo | hmmm |
| 07:58.53 | simonrvn | yay me, set up dynamic dns updates to my own nameservers (with TSIG of course) :) |
| 07:59.33 | simonrvn | have static IPs, but my ppp0 isn't static like our old ISP |
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| 08:06.42 | Siddharta | hello gentlemen gentlewomen |
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| 08:06.53 | Siddharta | i've installed etch last night |
| 08:07.16 | Siddharta | when i type man fstab i get no man of the fstab file |
| 08:07.18 | TiMiDo | hey how come i do not have the m-a command |
| 08:07.27 | Siddharta | but a developper man page |
| 08:07.29 | Siddharta | why ? |
| 08:08.01 | js_ | Siddharta: man mount |
| 08:08.37 | Guerin | TiMiDo: because you didn't install module-assistant |
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| 08:14.21 | TiMiDo | finally |
| 08:14.24 | TiMiDo | i've fixed it =) |
| 08:14.25 | TiMiDo | yay |
| 08:14.38 | Guerin | winn0r |
| 08:14.41 | Guerin | !beer TiMiDo |
| 08:14.51 | Guerin | fucking stupid nvz |
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| 08:14.53 | TiMiDo | i just had to touch the dirs and that's it |
| 08:14.54 | jelly-home | Siddharta: um... man 5 fstab IS the manual for that file, even if it has #include <fstab.h> at the top |
| 08:15.06 | Guerin | why couldn't he just learn how to spell `delirium' |
| 08:15.42 | Siddharta | i found that strange , the freebsd fstab man page is more comprhensive |
| 08:15.47 | Siddharta | in comparison |
| 08:15.55 | Guerin | Siddharta: *bsd manpages routinely are |
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| 08:16.03 | Siddharta | sure |
| 08:16.13 | jelly-home | Siddharta: I don't find at strange at all. Linux man pages are often inadequate. |
| 08:16.21 | Guerin | but it's a mistake to try to refer to one for a tool in gnuland |
| 08:16.29 | Siddharta | ok |
| 08:16.43 | Guerin | those BSD folk sure change a lot of things from the GNU originals ... |
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| 08:17.13 | jelly-home | Guerin: heh |
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| 08:18.31 | jelly-home | not that fstab(5) has anything to do with GNU |
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| 08:18.57 | xand | what's the synopis bit in there for? |
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| 08:19.01 | Guerin | thanks captain obvious |
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| 08:19.14 | jelly-home | xand: confusion, apparently |
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| 08:20.37 | xand | maybe a bug report needs filing |
| 08:21.03 | jelly-home | maybe documentation needs writing |
| 08:21.05 | oleth | hello. I am linux noob and I want to buy a small 1G switch. Are there any issues to be carefull for linux support (ie like winmodems for modems) |
| 08:21.29 | xand | oleth: no |
| 08:21.33 | jelly-home | since /usr/share/doc/glibc-doc-reference/html/fstab.html is not a part of Debian... ;-) |
| 08:22.00 | xand | oleth: switches don't care or even know about the OS of machines connected to them |
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| 08:22.26 | oleth | jelly-home: thanks for the help yesterday |
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| 08:22.30 | oleth | xand: I see |
| 08:22.50 | oleth | xand: no pitfalls there ... |
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| 08:23.21 | tuxub | hi! is it possible to add upnp features to a debian "router" ? |
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| 08:24.06 | jelly-home | oleth: you're welcome |
| 08:25.03 | jelly-home | tuxub: does apt-cache search upnp return anything useful? |
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| 08:27.46 | jelly-home | my linux dsl router has upnp, but it's courtesy of Siemens' original firmware |
| 08:28.35 | tuxub | jelly-home, i think what im looking for is the linux-igd project |
| 08:28.39 | tuxub | its in the repos |
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| 08:32.29 | hermann_348 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=348 klick plx |
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| 08:35.07 | guru3 | i'm trying to mount initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686, i've gunzipped it and now mount is saying i've got to specify a file system... it's not ext2. anyone know what it is? |
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| 08:36.20 | arikael_ | hi |
| 08:36.42 | simonrvn | it's likely to just be a cpio archive, just do 'zcat yourfile | cpio -i' into some directory (like /initrd) |
| 08:36.46 | simonrvn | guru3: ^^^ |
| 08:36.56 | arikael_ | how can I change the gateway (route) of my debian? |
| 08:37.04 | dragonheart | could use the program file or disktype to check guru3 |
| 08:37.09 | simonrvn | man interfaces |
| 08:37.14 | guru3 | it's cpio, thanks |
| 08:38.11 | guru3 | now to remove a module, insert a new one, and remake it |
| 08:38.14 | guru3 | oh joy |
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| 08:40.33 | jelly-home | guru3: there's update-initramfs |
| 08:41.36 | twb | !ops fyi hermann_348 appears to be a spambot; he dumped the same message in #emacs on Freenode. |
| 08:41.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: twb complains about: fyi hermann_348 appears to be a spambot; he dumped the same message in #emacs on Freenode. |
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| 08:41.53 | tomaw | twb: already fixed |
| 08:41.56 | twb | OK. |
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| 08:42.20 | guru3 | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 08:42.30 | twb | tomaw: should I see evidence of that in my scrollback? |
| 08:42.37 | tomaw | twb: nope :) |
| 08:42.43 | twb | Good, good. |
| 08:42.44 | streuner | twb: fyi, if its a spambot staffer should care about that... |
| 08:43.06 | twb | OK. Would that be #oftc-support? |
| 08:43.25 | streuner | twb: /j #freenode |
| 08:43.25 | tomaw | No, this is freenode and I already took care of it :) |
| 08:43.36 | twb | WTF, why am I on freenode |
| 08:43.38 | streuner | ah, thanks tomaw |
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| 08:43.57 | streuner | twb: done :-) |
| 08:43.59 | guru3 | let's see if that works |
| 08:45.11 | guru3 | kernel panic, of course |
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| 08:49.13 | fireba11 | hi. i just installed swat package but i can't connect to it, since there is no config file for it i'm rather lost. .. anyoen able to help ? |
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| 08:50.40 | cafuego | fireba11: It goes in inetd.conf, then you restart inetd. |
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| 08:53.50 | toon | Does the "noht" flag not work anymore? I compiled a 2.6.22 kernel and added the 'noht' kernelarg in menu.1st to disable hyperthreading, but I still get 2x cpu's.. |
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| 08:57.37 | chrisjw | toon, what processor do you use |
| 08:58.27 | Guerin | hm, is it not ht=off? |
| 08:58.33 | toon | chrisjw: it is a dual cpu xeon |
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| 08:58.44 | Guerin | um ... |
| 08:58.52 | toon | Guerin: I've googled a bit, for instance http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/FAQ_80_4720.shtm |
| 08:58.53 | Guerin | it's a dual cpu, it's not hypethreaded |
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| 08:59.07 | Guerin | hypethreading is for ONE cpu which can pretend to be two |
| 08:59.17 | toon | Guerin: haha, please, I have 4 cpu's showing up instead of 2 :) |
| 08:59.19 | Guerin | if you ACTUALLY have two you can't make it pretend to be one |
| 08:59.26 | Guerin | oh :) |
| 08:59.38 | Guerin | so you're not completely incompetent, that's a relief ;) |
| 08:59.48 | fireba11 | cafuego : how ? i'm a bit confused right now, sorry |
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| 09:00.39 | cafuego | fireba11: The swat docs should have a sample line for /etc/inetd.conf (it may even have added one automagically). |
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| 09:00.58 | liable | i does iirc |
| 09:01.00 | fireba11 | cafuego : it did add one. still it doesn#t seem to do anything |
| 09:01.12 | liable | restart inetd? |
| 09:01.14 | Guerin | liable: does you? |
| 09:01.20 | liable | Guerin: i does |
| 09:01.35 | Guerin | BAH |
| 09:01.37 | Guerin | bets |
| 09:01.43 | Guerin | how's that for a slip |
| 09:01.50 | dos000_ | is there a one liner to figure if a group exist ? |
| 09:01.58 | dos000_ | in debian etch |
| 09:02.05 | liable | that's also what i normally does |
| 09:02.10 | Guerin | dos000_: if grep foo /etc/groups && |
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| 09:02.26 | Guerin | dos000_: there's almost certainly a better way, that's just what came to mind |
| 09:02.57 | Guerin | dos000_: if you want something to happen when the group doesn't exist, s/&&/|| |
| 09:03.00 | dos000_ | Guerin, yeah .. i know there is id -u for users .. cant figure the groups |
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| 09:04.22 | toon | Guerin, chrisjw, perhaps it isn't an option anymore? http://kerneltrap.org/node/7448 etc.. |
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| 09:04.23 | dragonheart | or getent group users && echo true there are users |
| 09:04.45 | Guerin | getent is bound to be cheaper than grep |
| 09:04.53 | liable | smp is enabled by default now if thats what you mean |
| 09:04.55 | cafuego | fireba11: 'killall -HUP inetd' as root should sort it |
| 09:05.02 | Guerin | liable: yeah, he wants to turn it offf |
| 09:05.14 | cafuego | fireba11: Then swat should be on http://localhost:901/ |
| 09:05.40 | liable | dont know if you can, maybe some /sys file might be able to |
| 09:08.20 | liable | bad news today, beer may cause brain damage |
| 09:08.37 | streuner | if you drink too much |
| 09:08.45 | streuner | but thats with almost all stuff |
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| 09:08.51 | liable | goes without saying ;) |
| 09:09.07 | Guerin | how much is too much? |
| 09:09.18 | Guerin | and this isn't Korsakov's Syndrom you're talking about, is it? |
| 09:09.23 | liable | 6 standard drinks for blokes a day |
| 09:09.30 | Guerin | EVERY day? |
| 09:09.38 | Guerin | and for how long? |
| 09:09.39 | liable | yeah for 8 years or so |
| 09:09.42 | Guerin | mm |
| 09:09.50 | Guerin | in know people who do that |
| 09:10.10 | liable | i quite often do it |
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| 09:10.37 | liable | i think i have been doing it 12 or so years now |
| 09:10.48 | liable | but i dont have drain bamage yet |
| 09:10.48 | Guerin | but not EVERY day |
| 09:11.06 | Guerin | no more than the average queenslander |
| 09:11.14 | liable | pretty much every day |
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| 09:17.11 | harpal | how I can see RAM and my processor configuration |
| 09:17.33 | liable | processor configuration? |
| 09:17.49 | Guerin | !eyeometer |
| 09:17.49 | dpkg | if you don't know, FUCKING LOOK AT IT. |
| 09:17.59 | liable | cat /proc/cpu may give you what you ask |
| 09:18.06 | liable | cpuinfo |
| 09:19.10 | Blwood | cat /pro/meminfo |
| 09:19.12 | harpal | yes and how to know how much RAM I have and is it SDR or DDR |
| 09:19.16 | Blwood | cat /proc/meminfo * |
| 09:19.24 | liable | or free |
| 09:20.35 | guru3 | is it possible to install debian onto another disk from an existing debian install? |
| 09:20.44 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:20.49 | guru3 | how? :3 |
| 09:20.50 | Blwood | liable, have you tried cat /proc/meminfo ? |
| 09:20.52 | harpal | ok thanx all |
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| 09:21.06 | simonrvn | !debootstrap |
| 09:21.06 | dpkg | debootstrap is probably <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 09:21.06 | Blwood | euh harpal* sorry |
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| 09:21.26 | guru3 | thanks |
| 09:21.51 | harpal | Blowood: for what sorry? |
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| 09:22.41 | Blwood | I thought it was liable who wanted to have informations about his ram |
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| 09:24.05 | harpal | ok |
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| 09:24.35 | liable | nah, i just Guerin about ram if i need info on that sort of thing |
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| 09:28.28 | sep | is there a wiki geared towards documentation ? ie it must be secure and have access controll. |
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| 09:29.39 | liable | theres a wiki for wiki's somewhere, dokuwiki and one other (moinmoin?) are considered good for acl's |
| 09:30.22 | Huffelpuff | How do I install xserver-xorg without all the unnecessary video etc drivers? I'm doing a net install. |
| 09:30.45 | liable | painfully |
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| 09:31.00 | liable | without using the meta package that pulls them in |
| 09:31.04 | fireba11 | cafuego : hm .. is it possible i don't have inetd installed at all ? |
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| 09:31.23 | liable | did you install xinetd? |
| 09:31.27 | cafuego | fireba11: it is, if so: install netkit-inetd |
| 09:31.27 | larco | hello, can someone point to me if i can find glibc 2.4 in stable ? |
| 09:31.32 | unknow990 | Hello guys |
| 09:31.50 | unknow990 | Is there any that knows something about Nagios ? |
| 09:32.33 | Guerin | in #nagios there might be |
| 09:32.33 | fireba11 | cafuego : ah, now it works ... had doubts about my sanity already, thanks |
| 09:32.49 | liable | too much beer? |
| 09:32.55 | subx | i need a bot for my chatroom, is there any ready-made eggdrop scripts I could use floating around? I cannot be bothered to edit that massive eggdrop script.. |
| 09:33.13 | Crypticfortun1 | if in my /etc/apt/sources.list i have a line "deb http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/Linux/Debian/ sid main non-free contrib" and i do an "apt-get dist-upgrade" that means that system will turn into sid, right? |
| 09:33.21 | cafuego | you NEED a bot? |
| 09:33.22 | Guerin | !htfswk subx |
| 09:33.22 | dpkg | subx: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 09:33.33 | subx | :-S sorry. |
| 09:33.34 | YGingras | can I use an x86 backport on amd64? I wan't to get emacs22 on Etch, the only .deb I found is http://hype.sourceforge.jp/f/dists/etch/backports/ |
| 09:33.37 | fireba11 | unknow990: yes |
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| 09:33.47 | liable | Crypticfortun1: if you need to ask, you prolly shouldnt |
| 09:34.09 | larco | hello, is there a pkg with GLIBC 2.4 in stable ? |
| 09:34.09 | YGingras | is there another backport with Emacs 22? |
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| 09:34.33 | unknow990 | fireba11, is its possible to install nagios on debian 4.0 ? |
| 09:34.41 | kameron | is there a way to replace all instances of X with Y in a file? perhaps using 'echo' and 'tee' ? |
| 09:34.55 | jelly-home | larco: no |
| 09:34.57 | Guerin | kameron: easier to use sed |
| 09:34.57 | liable | or sed |
| 09:35.01 | dragonheart | kameron: sed -i -e s/X/Y/g file |
| 09:35.15 | Guerin | -e unneccessary |
| 09:35.16 | kameron | dragonheart, hmm okay. |
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| 09:35.24 | dragonheart | habit |
| 09:35.25 | twb | Bored. |
| 09:35.29 | Guerin | dragonheart: fair. |
| 09:35.31 | kameron | dragonheart, what is the s and g for? |
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| 09:35.47 | Guerin | kameron: you Should read the Goddamn manual :) |
| 09:35.50 | harpal | When I boot from my kernel 2.6.18.1 then it gives me error acpi_hw_low_level_read kernel panic - not syncing |
| 09:35.51 | liable | makes it work ;) |
| 09:36.02 | dragonheart | (s)earch (g)lobal. and as Guerin said |
| 09:36.07 | kameron | Guerin, good call. RTFM FTW |
| 09:36.39 | liable | substitute |
| 09:37.04 | harpal | whats problem there? its running in 2.4.27 but not in 2.6.18.1 |
| 09:37.47 | larco | better question is there any pkg stable or not with glibc2.4 ? |
| 09:37.54 | liable | harpal: is this a sage to etch upgraded box? and if so, are you just doing so? |
| 09:38.39 | harpal | I have compiled kernel 2.6.18.1 on other machine its running fine but not in new hardware machine |
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| 09:39.15 | harpal | I have debian 3.1 |
| 09:39.33 | fireba11 | unknow990: of course, why shouldnt it ? |
| 09:39.53 | unknow990 | fireba11, dont know. Iam only asking |
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| 09:40.10 | unknow990 | fireba11, do you know where I can find a guide for the installation ? |
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| 09:41.43 | larco | is there any pkg stable or not with glibc2.4 ? |
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| 09:43.09 | harpal | liable: whats problem there? |
| 09:43.15 | liable | larco: please dont continually repeat your question. try in an hour or so if google fails you |
| 09:43.53 | liable | harpal: dunno, i guess disbale acpi stuff untill it stops panicking. |
| 09:44.11 | Guerin | !info libc6 etch |
| 09:44.18 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 09:44.26 | Guerin | larco: the answer is an emphatic `no' |
| 09:44.57 | liable | harpal: or upgrade to etch and use the debian kernel.. |
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| 09:47.31 | Zap-W | how does adduser script know to add users in /var/lib/samba/passdb.tdb |
| 09:48.09 | Guerin | Zap-W: the samba elves made it so |
| 09:48.19 | Guerin | Zap-W: you can talk to them in #samba |
| 09:48.34 | Zap-W | i thought adduser script is debian's |
| 09:49.24 | liable | awsome, no work for me tomorrow |
| 09:49.44 | Guerin | Zap-W: if that's the case you can read it. |
| 09:49.54 | Guerin | larco: time for another 6 standard drinks!@ |
| 09:50.03 | Guerin | liable: for you too |
| 09:50.14 | liable | half way there! |
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| 09:52.33 | Guerin | "``OMG TURN TEH INTERNETS OFF'' -- Elton John |
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| 09:53.07 | liable | i dont think he has much to fear these days from piracy |
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| 09:53.28 | Guerin | nono, he says all the tech is killing teh creativities |
| 09:53.53 | antgel | but he hasn't written a good album for 30 years |
| 09:54.05 | antgel | maybe he was on arpanet |
| 09:54.09 | Guerin | antgel: s/0/00/ |
| 09:54.10 | liable | s/30 years/ / |
| 09:54.24 | antgel | relatively good |
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| 09:54.49 | Guerin | i think you have to be either a pretentious wanker or 55 to like elton john |
| 09:54.54 | Guerin | at least |
| 09:55.02 | Guerin | those are the only people of my acquaintance who do |
| 09:56.00 | mavhc | what if you didn't know the song was by elton john? |
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| 09:56.36 | rogue- | my client says #debian but I don't know if I believe it |
| 09:56.49 | Guerin | rogue-: believe |
| 09:56.57 | Guerin | THE TRUTH IS IN HERE |
| 09:57.03 | liable | i like this game, what if the world was populated by purple ginosaurs? |
| 09:57.08 | dkg | .. ye of little faith |
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| 09:57.26 | KDan | what's the quickest way to locate which file/s or directory/ies are using up all the space on a specific partition? is there a 'find' criterion that does that? |
| 09:57.36 | Guerin | KDan: not really. |
| 09:57.43 | liable | du -h |
| 09:57.56 | liable | or is it df thats friendlier |
| 09:58.07 | antgel | they do different things |
| 09:58.13 | rogue- | KDan: the answer is usually /usr/share/secret_pr0n_stash.tar.bz2 |
| 09:58.15 | KDan | du looks good! |
| 09:58.15 | CAiRO_ | after upgrading to etch, my iptables rule "iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT" results in an error: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.. what's wrong? |
| 09:58.20 | Guerin | KDan: in /; do du --max-depth 1|sort -n |
| 09:58.39 | KDan | rogue-: My internal processes do not allow me to admit the existence of that file |
| 09:58.44 | Guerin | KDan: you can also use head and | to do it recursively |
| 09:58.47 | liable | in root dodo? |
| 09:59.06 | rogue- | KDan: the first step is admitting you have a problem |
| 09:59.21 | Guerin | it seems KDan is infected with the rootkit known as gr1lfi3nd.intolerant |
| 09:59.39 | liable | grilfiend? |
| 09:59.51 | liable | is that the mate that hogs the bbq? |
| 09:59.59 | Guerin | it's like a girlfriend, only spends more time grilling you over hot coals than anything else |
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| 10:00.46 | Guerin | i am fortunate enough to have never been infected, but I have seen that rootkit destroy many a good box |
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| 10:04.35 | tosh| | I have a bunch of reiserfs and ext3 partitions, when booting fsck dies on checking the partitions and offers me Ctrl+d or continue booting. when I continue booting, the partitions are fine and correctly mounted. when trying to check them they all report 0 errors, any ideas? |
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| 10:06.02 | liable | you fsck'ed them? |
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| 10:07.09 | tosh| | liable yes |
| 10:07.15 | tosh| | liable if I fsck them manually, no problems |
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| 10:07.25 | tosh| | its just fsck that dies at boottime |
| 10:07.27 | liable | tosh|: it does this persistently? |
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| 10:07.48 | tosh| | liable every time |
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| 10:09.04 | liable | tosh|: strange. i have no idea why it would do that |
| 10:10.27 | liable | tosh|: you have a forcefsck file in each partition or ? |
| 10:10.40 | allisterb | + |
| 10:10.40 | tosh| | is it normal for the fs_passno in fstab to remain 0 2 for every partition, as in, check everytime? |
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| 10:10.44 | liable | if you remove it, it boots ok? |
| 10:10.57 | tosh| | liable not sure, im not able to check at this time |
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| 10:11.38 | liable | tosh|: what do you mean remain? that file isnt dynamically made/edited |
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| 10:12.21 | liable | Xaya: you cant talk here as root, login as user and irc |
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| 10:14.24 | KDan | pub? |
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| 10:14.33 | KDan | at this hour? |
| 10:15.06 | KDan | either you drink a bit early, or your shower is in a very odd location |
| 10:15.21 | KDan | (or you're in a different timezone, but that's a boring explanation) |
| 10:15.44 | p0g0 | liable is in .au |
| 10:15.50 | KDan | aha |
| 10:15.57 | KDan | fair enough |
| 10:16.10 | KDan | so you mean his shower is in fact in the pub then |
| 10:16.22 | p0g0 | yeah, it pours beer |
| 10:16.32 | KDan | them ozzies.. |
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| 10:18.05 | Xaya | Ian back |
| 10:18.12 | Xaya | Hello |
| 10:18.15 | xand | ian who? |
| 10:18.31 | Xaya | sorry I am |
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| 10:20.41 | Xaya | sorry but this Channel can we get helpt here |
| 10:21.25 | xand | !ask |
| 10:21.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 10:22.06 | Phil4 | hi Guys... I get this error "No support for INET6 on this system." when I try to use ifconfig to add an ipv6 IP to my system. Anyone know how I can enable INET6 support? |
| 10:22.20 | antgel | Phil4: what kernel you using? |
| 10:22.43 | Phil4 | 2.6.18-8.1.8.el5xen |
| 10:22.44 | Phil4 | it's a VDS |
| 10:23.39 | antgel | Phil4: who's hosting it? |
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| 10:23.50 | Phil4 | a UK company called crystal vps |
| 10:23.56 | antgel | Phil4: so ask them |
| 10:24.16 | antgel | they need to recompile the kernel (you have two hopes :) |
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| 10:26.34 | EvaLuaTe | hello |
| 10:26.45 | EvaLuaTe | Failed to load module "fglrx" |
| 10:26.46 | EvaLuaTe | XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":94.0" |
| 10:26.46 | EvaLuaTe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.51 | EvaLuaTe | what could this mean ? |
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| 10:28.37 | xand | don't paste |
| 10:28.40 | Xaya | i have a problem with my MP3 Player ; i am running Debian version 4 with the latest kernel.when i try to get access to it i cant find him in the /media . Anyone Know how i can access to the content of my drive (The system indicate that it is an Sda and scsi or something ..../// |
| 10:29.32 | xand | !usb storage |
| 10:29.32 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 10:30.36 | antgel | !tell Xaya about pmount |
| 10:31.34 | Xaya | i will try This and see the result thanks |
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| 10:32.44 | antgel | the usb storage factoid is out of date imo pmount saves all that fart-arsing about, and doesn't require root |
| 10:33.20 | Xaya | Sorry How can i load amodule |
| 10:33.29 | Xaya | Sorry How can i load a module |
| 10:33.36 | shutdownrunner | modprobe <module_name> |
| 10:33.40 | antgel | jesus |
| 10:33.47 | Xaya | sorry |
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| 10:44.04 | mumbles | dose anyone here have wireless working with there debian install ? |
| 10:44.17 | twb | mumbles: I did once, with a prism 2.5 chipset. |
| 10:44.23 | twb | *their, btw. |
| 10:45.01 | mumbles | my question is - how did you get if you did wep encryption working |
| 10:45.16 | antgel | mumbles: i did, by following the docs |
| 10:45.50 | mumbles | and - network manager seams to not connect to the wireless |
| 10:46.10 | CAiRO_ | at which time during boot should iptables be activated? |
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| 10:47.13 | DawnLight | CAiRO: is this what you need? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/445 |
| 10:47.58 | CAiRO_ | DawnLight: ah, yes, that makes sense to activated it when the interface it activated, thanks |
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| 10:50.30 | antgel | mumbles: ask the NM mailing list, perhaps? |
| 10:50.48 | twb | mumbles: simple: I didn't. |
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| 10:51.00 | twb | mumbles: the prism2.5 chipset does not support W... oh, wait, that's WPA |
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| 10:51.28 | twb | Honestly I don't remember, I just buy 30m cat5 cables because it's an order of magnitude faster and simpler. |
| 10:52.48 | mumbles | twb: yeh i know. normally i wont bother but someone wants 2 laptops done |
| 10:54.00 | twb | Shrug |
| 10:54.04 | twb | Can't help, sorry. |
| 10:54.20 | PiousMinion | I buy my cables in ft because the metric system is evil. |
| 10:55.01 | mumbles | thats ok. |
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| 10:55.17 | lastnode | how is bcm4318 and etch? |
| 10:55.19 | mumbles | PiousMinion: - i just ask my cisco tutor for some cable. |
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| 10:55.49 | Xaya | ok |
| 10:55.56 | Xaya | its work |
| 10:56.01 | Xaya | its working |
| 10:56.12 | Xaya | Thanks |
| 10:56.24 | PiousMinion | mumbles: Honestly, I keep several thousand feet on a spool behind my computer chair. You know, just in case. |
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| 10:57.23 | arcil | hey guys, is there an easier way to use the multimedia keys on my keyboard (cherry stream) than described in the gentoo wiki (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys) |
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| 10:57.53 | mumbles | PiousMinion: yeh |
| 10:57.53 | Xaya | by the way does it exist a jpeg viewer on console mode |
| 10:58.08 | mumbles | i think i now have enough to re wire the house |
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| 10:58.19 | twb | PiousMinion: "just in case what, tectonic shift moves the machines further apart?!" |
| 10:58.38 | mumbles | or rats chew though your cable. |
| 10:58.53 | PiousMinion | twb: I just want to be ready for anything I guess. heh |
| 10:58.53 | mumbles | i did wonder why the internet connection was crap |
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| 10:59.08 | twb | mumbles: that's a featuyre |
| 10:59.19 | twb | To protect you from web 2.0 |
| 10:59.29 | PiousMinion | lol |
| 11:00.23 | PiousMinion | That reminds me. I very recently had a dream that my pc caught HPV. No joke. I woke up in sweat. |
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| 11:10.46 | chaKKo_1521 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=1521 |
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| 11:13.30 | Xaya | sorry Anyone know about a photo viewer under console mode |
| 11:13.32 | mumbles | twb: hehe |
| 11:14.06 | petemc | Xaya: framebuffer console? |
| 11:14.24 | Xaya | ok i will try |
| 11:14.30 | petemc | Xaya: no, that was a question |
| 11:14.43 | petemc | Xaya: are you using a framebuffer console? |
| 11:14.59 | Xaya | how can i know that |
| 11:15.20 | petemc | do you see penguins when debian is loading? |
| 11:15.31 | Xaya | no |
| 11:15.37 | abrotman | better than 'the colors' man ... |
| 11:15.42 | petemc | then you're probably not |
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| 11:16.04 | Xaya | but mplayer works invideo mode |
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| 11:16.16 | petemc | Xaya: with aalib? |
| 11:16.16 | Xaya | but mplayer works on video mode |
| 11:16.32 | petemc | try some jpeg to ascii app, i guess |
| 11:16.34 | Xaya | so i must install aalib ? |
| 11:16.59 | petemc | Xaya: no, mplayer can use aalib to show video files in the console |
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| 11:17.20 | twb | You don't necessarily get penguins when using fbcon |
| 11:17.45 | abrotman | but many do |
| 11:17.49 | twb | Granted |
| 11:17.54 | Xaya | petemc: so to view a picture what can i do |
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| 11:18.07 | tehblaker | when i do "apt-get upgrade" |
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| 11:18.14 | tehblaker | does that just upgrade packages |
| 11:18.21 | tehblaker | or security updates for debian as well |
| 11:18.22 | tehblaker | ? |
| 11:18.49 | antgel | tehblaker: man apt-get |
| 11:18.55 | jak_ | hi. ive just installed etch, but neither /dev/psaux nor /dev/input/mice seem to be valid mouse devices (on IBM x40). what to do now? THX |
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| 11:19.26 | antgel | jak_: is the psmouse module loaded? |
| 11:19.47 | jak_ | antgel: yes, lsmod shows it is loaded |
| 11:20.03 | antgel | jak_: but the devices are not in /dev? |
| 11:20.30 | jak_ | antgel: the "files" are there, but when i try to start xorg, it says "no core pointer found" and when i cat them it says "no such device" |
| 11:21.04 | tehblaker | antgel, go away |
| 11:21.05 | antgel | jak_: are you catting them as root? |
| 11:21.10 | jak_ | antgel: yes |
| 11:21.18 | antgel | tehblaker: excuse me? |
| 11:21.29 | tehblaker | i know how to read the manual |
| 11:21.41 | tehblaker | does it update debian itself or just packages? |
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| 11:21.56 | antgel | tehblaker: apparently you don't know how to read the manual |
| 11:22.03 | tycale | Hi ! |
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| 11:22.09 | tycale | I've got a BIG problem |
| 11:22.15 | gnuskool | does the flash for linux work on woody? |
| 11:22.22 | shutdownrunner | tehblaker: apt-get upgrade upgrades using the latest versions of binaries and security updates are usually latest |
| 11:22.27 | Doat | When I play any audio it comes alright from my headphones but the pc speaker is bleeping at the same time. Wth? |
| 11:22.41 | antgel | shutdownrunner: that's confusing |
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| 11:23.03 | themill | tehblaker: it what it dow depends on what you have it configured to do. |
| 11:23.10 | themill | *does |
| 11:23.19 | antgel | jak_: hmm. you looked at the thinkwiki site, just in case there are any idiosyncrancies on that model? |
| 11:23.21 | tycale | When I try to start kde, it say "Could not start kstartupconfig. check it". =/ |
| 11:23.21 | xand | gnuskool: woody is way deprecated |
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| 11:23.50 | themill | tehblaker: you'll have to tell us more before we can answer that question. Is it a vanilla install of etch? |
| 11:23.53 | ikr1sse | ok, now, when i try to compile my network drivers, i get a make:65 error, this also now when i've installed the kernel-headers and kernel-source |
| 11:23.58 | ikr1sse | anyone know of any solution? |
| 11:24.08 | jak_ | antgel: ive installed testing and debian several times on this nb and it worked everytime :D seems to be the current config that messes |
| 11:24.29 | antgel | ikr1sse: yes, tell us some more, paste the error in a pastebin |
| 11:24.31 | themill | ikr1sse: you'll have to pastebin the entire compile log for us |
| 11:24.44 | antgel | jak_: you're using a self-compiled kernel? |
| 11:24.44 | tycale | When I try to start kde, it say "Could not start kstartupconfig. check it" what can i do to fix it ? |
| 11:24.51 | jak_ | antgel: not yet |
| 11:24.56 | antgel | !tell tycale about repeat |
| 11:25.13 | antgel | jak_: yeah, it's a weird one :) |
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| 11:25.16 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 11:25.26 | ikr1sse | themill & antgel: the problem is i have no internet connection, but anyway, i might get it, where do i access the compile log? |
| 11:25.38 | jak_ | antgel: ill try to do this, but i will be forced to run a prepared kernel afterwards (xen vm thing) |
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| 11:25.55 | gnuskool | xand, woody is what came on damn small linux and im not sure if i can upgrade on the hardware i have |
| 11:26.09 | antgel | jak_: i'm not saying you should use one, i was asking if you were using one |
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| 11:26.21 | shutdownrunner | tehblaker: ok. so let me rephrase it. you're using debian stable, and no packages change in it. but from time to time there are so called security updates (packages with bugs fixed). and if apt-get sees that a given package is in security updates (and thus is newer than the one in main repository) it will install security update automatically |
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| 11:26.33 | DukeDrake | How come I get a "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." warning, though my locale settings are properly set up? |
| 11:26.43 | themill | ikr1sse: it's what is displayed during the make. There's no error "65" for make, that's probably the line that the compilation failed on, but we don't know exactly what you were trying to do or what failed. |
| 11:27.01 | antgel | tycale: which release of debian are you using and how did you install kde? |
| 11:27.04 | xand | gnuskool: we don't support damn small linux here I'm afraid |
| 11:27.08 | ikr1sse | themill; k, i'll return with it |
| 11:27.10 | jak_ | antgel: no, i dont use a self-compiled one |
| 11:27.14 | tehblaker | harden & bastille |
| 11:27.21 | tehblaker | when i apt-get bastille |
| 11:27.27 | tehblaker | is it going to make any changes on its own? |
| 11:27.27 | DukeDrake | though perl thinks "LC_ALL = "de_DE@euro"" , though it is de_DE.UTF-8@euro |
| 11:27.28 | tehblaker | :-\ |
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| 11:27.49 | antgel | DukeDrake: log out and in |
| 11:28.08 | themill | !tell tehblaker about enter |
| 11:28.08 | DukeDrake | I'm logged in via ssh |
| 11:28.20 | gnuskool | xand fair enough, where can i find info, if you know, if what each release supports, gfor instance whats the min spec for sarge? |
| 11:28.24 | antgel | !tell tehblaker about reference |
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| 11:28.53 | DukeDrake | I think I gotta make perl accept the LC_ALL from system... but how? |
| 11:29.14 | antgel | DukeDrake: log out of ssh then in? |
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| 11:29.28 | tehblaker | !tell antgel about sucking cock |
| 11:29.35 | xand | gnuskool: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual it's in the manual for each arch |
| 11:29.37 | DukeDrake | antgel: I'm doing this all the time with no change to the issue |
| 11:29.52 | twb | Does tftpd-hpa use hosts.allow? |
| 11:29.56 | themill | tehblaker: not helpful. If you're going to insult us when we try to help, the please leave. |
| 11:30.03 | gnuskool | xand,you're a gentleman, thanks |
| 11:30.21 | Doat | why is pc speaker bleeping although i have muted it in alsamixer? |
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| 11:30.34 | xand | Doat: the pc speaker is not usually controlled by the sound card |
| 11:30.35 | antgel | tehblaker: funny - you're such a big man with your attitude, yet i'd still be trying to help you if you weren't so immature |
| 11:31.28 | antgel | DukeDrake: if it's any help, LC_ALL on my box is set to "" |
| 11:31.33 | Doat | xand: ok. how do i mute it then? it started bleeping when i play audio |
| 11:31.51 | themill | Doat: you might need to rmmod the pc speaker module (can't think of the name off the top of my head) |
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| 11:32.01 | DukeDrake | antgel: not really :/ |
| 11:32.01 | mumbles | yay it works. yay for wifi radar |
| 11:32.02 | Doat | themill: pcspkr? done, no effect |
| 11:32.07 | themill | :( |
| 11:32.39 | antgel | DukeDrake: http://paste.debian.net/34096, also make sure /etc/environment is empty - what release of debian are you running? |
| 11:33.07 | antgel | Doat: i reckon it's your cheap motherboard ;) |
| 11:33.41 | Doat | sigh |
| 11:33.57 | themill | Doat: is it beeping continually or only when you do things? |
| 11:34.07 | Doat | themill: only when i play audio |
| 11:34.19 | Doat | it goes bee-baa-bee-baa |
| 11:34.27 | antgel | Doat: can you verify with another board, or another OS on this board? anyway, just pull the plug :D |
| 11:34.29 | xand | that's very odd |
| 11:34.42 | themill | it's not an overheating alarm or something? |
| 11:34.56 | Doat | antgel: windows worked fine last time i tried |
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| 11:35.21 | Doat | themill: shouldn't be as it only does that when i play audio... |
| 11:35.27 | antgel | Doat: clearly it, er, left a virus in your speaker |
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| 11:35.34 | Doat | antgel: lol |
| 11:35.43 | themill | Doat: must be your taste in music.... |
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| 11:36.10 | antgel | Doat: if you've searched the web for issues with your sound chipset, maybe ask alsa mailing list, or maybe they are in #alsa? |
| 11:36.35 | DukeDrake | antgel: as I said: the sysmte locales are all properly set |
| 11:37.03 | themill | Doat: I highly recommend the guys in #alsa for these sorts of questions.... if it's down to the hardware or drivers then they're the people to ask. |
| 11:37.04 | DukeDrake | it's just that perl can't see them |
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| 11:37.19 | zefab | Hi guys. Is there a way to find all packages installed on a system that depend on a given package ? without parsing manually /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
| 11:37.20 | tycale | When I try to start kde, it say "Could not start kstartupconfig. check it" what can i do to fix it ? |
| 11:37.20 | trollala | hello there |
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| 11:37.25 | Doat | themill: ok i'll try #alsa |
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| 11:37.39 | trollala | what version do u suggest for 550MHZ 256MB ram ? |
| 11:37.45 | trollala | less crap, the better |
| 11:37.47 | antgel | DukeDrake: what release? did it used to work? what changed? have you regenerated the locales with dkpg-reconfigure? |
| 11:38.10 | xand | trollala: etch. |
| 11:38.15 | xand | !u |
| 11:38.15 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:38.45 | antgel | tycale: according to apt-file, kstartupconfig lives in package kdelibs4c2a. |
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| 11:38.58 | themill | tycale: have you asked google? I just did for you and it implies that the most common cause is not having ownership of your home directory for some reason. |
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| 11:39.09 | antgel | tycale: hold on, i replied to you before and you ignored me ^^ |
| 11:39.28 | Doat | now it's getting weird. when i start a song in amarok the beeping starts. when i minimize amarok with the 'x' the beeping stops... |
| 11:39.33 | tycale | antgel: I didn't see where :s |
| 11:39.39 | antgel | tycale: ^^ |
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| 11:39.55 | Doat | and, normal youtube doesn't beep at all but when i play fullscreen it beeps, wtf? |
| 11:40.03 | tycale | antgel: I don't know and my kde was ok this morning |
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| 11:40.15 | tycale | antgel: I cahnge something in |
| 11:40.22 | antgel | Doat: cheap pc hardware ;) try different video card |
| 11:40.24 | antgel | !enter |
| 11:40.24 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 11:40.26 | tycale | antgel: in kcontrol* |
| 11:40.40 | ikr1sse | my problem in pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m73a34c43 |
| 11:40.41 | themill | Doat: that's supporting my overheating hypothesis... :( |
| 11:40.48 | tycale | antgel: and i format one of my disk =/ |
| 11:40.57 | ikr1sse | the thing is; i have the kernel-header and kernel-source i was told i needed |
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| 11:41.16 | trollala | is this: debian-40r0-i386-CD-21.iso the latest iso with latest updates ? |
| 11:41.36 | Doat | themill: no way lol |
| 11:41.39 | themill | ikr1sse: what is AtL1Linux? |
| 11:41.51 | antgel | ikr1sse: okay, i would contact the vendor to see how to configure their source |
| 11:41.53 | tycale | Haaa ! if i say to diks , format this hdd and put it on /home, my old home is where ? |
| 11:42.04 | ikr1sse | themill; that is the drivers for my network card |
| 11:42.12 | tycale | sorry for my poor english |
| 11:42.17 | ikr1sse | antgel; what do you mean? |
| 11:42.54 | themill | ikr1sse: can you point us a at a website from where you got the drivers? |
| 11:43.00 | antgel | ikr1sse: it's not a debian package, it's unlikely that anyone here knows anything about it. ask whoever wrote it |
| 11:43.44 | trollala | anyone? is this: debian-40r0-i386-CD-21.iso the latest iso with latest updates ? or should I grab any other version (cd) ? |
| 11:43.50 | ikr1sse | themill; http://atl1.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:44.01 | antgel | !tell trollala about install guide |
| 11:44.30 | streuner | ikr1sse: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 11:45.13 | ikr1sse | streuner; i have to reboot to check that |
| 11:45.28 | ikr1sse | streuner; should i do so immediately? |
| 11:45.31 | themill | ikr1sse: are you running etch? lenny? |
| 11:45.31 | trollala | antgel: Look I just wanna know what's the latest version (STABLE) I know how to isntall.. |
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| 11:45.39 | trollala | install* |
| 11:45.41 | ikr1sse | themill; no idea, really =P |
| 11:45.44 | streuner | trollala: update you get via security.debian.org, just get a netinstall-CD and get updates via internet |
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| 11:46.09 | streuner | antgel: he needs to get his NIC to work.. |
| 11:46.12 | trollala | streuner: why is cd iso than ? |
| 11:46.16 | ikr1sse | themill; how do i check that? |
| 11:46.41 | streuner | !d-i trollala |
| 11:46.41 | dpkg | trollala, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 11:47.12 | trollala | dpkg: aha |
| 11:47.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, aha is an 1980s band that had a hit with "Take on me" - had a cool video clip :) |
| 11:47.23 | antgel | ikr1sse: how can you not know what OS you're running |
| 11:47.37 | Chi11y | lol |
| 11:47.56 | themill | trollala: the CD you have (...-21) is only the last of the 21 install CDs. But just use the netinstall cd. |
| 11:47.59 | antgel | ikr1sse: why do you need to reboot to try streuner's command? |
| 11:48.00 | ikr1sse | antgel; i'm sorry, i have no idea of anything =P elive is the os, am i right? =P |
| 11:48.12 | streuner | !elive |
| 11:48.12 | ikr1sse | antgel; i'm not on my elive right now |
| 11:48.12 | dpkg | elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive (FN, irc.freenode.net). |
| 11:48.24 | ikr1sse | antgel; i'm on kubuntu right now |
| 11:48.29 | ikr1sse | antgel; i trippleboot =P |
| 11:48.30 | themill | ikr1sse: it sounds like that driver is headed into the mainline kernel. the easiest thing might be to find out if it has made it into mainline and then use a kernel that already has it in it. |
| 11:48.51 | antgel | ikr1sse: great, and when you need debian support, we'll be only too happy to help |
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| 11:49.35 | Chi11y | antgel: they are compatible and the elive community isn't as active as the debian one ;) |
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| 11:49.47 | trollala | themill: problem is I have limited DL\UL.. so I need version that has programs allready UP TO DATE or at least near "up to date" |
| 11:50.00 | trollala | at home |
| 11:50.02 | themill | trollala: so use the netinst CD |
| 11:50.08 | trollala | but at work I have unlimited bandwith.. |
| 11:50.28 | themill | trollala: ahhh... |
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| 11:50.48 | streuner | !tell Chi11y about elive |
| 11:50.50 | themill | trollala: there isn't a point release of etch out yet so there are no CDs with the updates already rolled up in them. |
| 11:52.10 | ikr1sse | themill: what did you mean about the things you said? |
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| 11:52.21 | ikr1sse | themill: i'm a bit new to the linux way of thinking =P |
| 11:53.05 | tehblaker | hardened linux |
| 11:53.06 | tehblaker | :-D |
| 11:53.17 | tehblaker | apt-get install harden |
| 11:53.21 | tehblaker | i cant be hacked now, right? |
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| 11:53.32 | themill | !tell tehblaker about enter |
| 11:53.33 | Papertiger | where can i find /bin/arch in unstable. the package util-linux doesn't seem to be shipped with this anymore |
| 11:53.48 | streuner | Papertiger: uname -m is the same |
| 11:53.58 | tehblaker | !tell themill about linux |
| 11:53.59 | streuner | !info util-linux sid |
| 11:54.04 | cydork | tehblaker: check out /msg dpkg harden |
| 11:54.05 | dpkg | util-linux: (Miscellaneous system utilities), section utils, is required. Version: 2.13~rc2-6 (sid), Packaged size: 396 kB, Installed size: 1104 kB |
| 11:54.24 | streuner | hehe |
| 11:54.26 | tehblaker | !tell themill about windows |
| 11:54.52 | streuner | dont abuse the bot too much ;-) |
| 11:55.06 | ikr1sse | themill? what did you mean with driver headed into mainline kernel and all that? |
| 11:55.08 | Papertiger | streuner: thx, guess this will help |
| 11:55.14 | themill | ikr1sse: that driver has been developed by a group of people who have now submitted it to be included in the main linux kernel. Once it is included in the main linux kernel, you won't need to download a specific driver but just use a normal linux kernel. |
| 11:55.40 | ikr1sse | themill: ok, that means what for me right now? |
| 11:56.02 | antgel | ikr1sse: did you even read the website? it says what themill is telling you |
| 11:56.10 | Chi11y | that you should look for a kernel like that... |
| 11:56.26 | themill | ikr1sse: try to find out if that driver is now included in the kernel by default. You may not need to module at all, just upgrade to the latest kernel |
| 11:56.35 | antgel | themill: he's using elive |
| 11:56.51 | abrotman | there's a channel for that :) |
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| 11:57.13 | streuner | we told him serveral times |
| 11:57.24 | Chi11y | yes but no one there had any answer... he already asked there |
| 11:57.24 | ikr1sse | abrotman: that channel is dead |
| 11:57.38 | abrotman | then try ##linux |
| 11:57.40 | antgel | !tell ikr1sse about based on debian |
| 11:57.48 | themill | ikr1sse: of course since you're using a live cd, you can't upgrade your kernel... and we can't really help you very easily with doing things under elive as we don't use it and elive != debian. There are subtle differences and module handling is likely to be in the differences bit. |
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| 11:58.05 | abrotman | themill: they're far more than subtle |
| 11:58.18 | themill | :) |
| 11:58.18 | antgel | the old factoid was much funnier |
| 11:58.35 | ikr1sse | whoever: ok, that's for trying anyway |
| 11:58.40 | ikr1sse | thanks* |
| 11:58.49 | abrotman | i did some research about a year ago .. there were probably 25% of pakcages different than debian's |
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| 12:01.27 | tehblaker | lawl |
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| 12:03.08 | jgphpc | hello, I have an audigy1 PCI sound card (SB1394), and I do not know where to plug my speakers... On my card, I have DIGITALOUT ; LINEIN, MICIN, LINEOUT1,LINEOUT2 , FIREWIRE...can you help me please ? |
| 12:03.32 | tehblaker | has nothing to do with debian |
| 12:03.36 | tehblaker | and i would guess |
| 12:03.41 | tehblaker | either lineout1 or 2 is fine |
| 12:03.43 | tehblaker | try both? |
| 12:03.47 | jgphpc | well I use alsa |
| 12:03.53 | tehblaker | process of elimination |
| 12:04.09 | tehblaker | its not micin, right? its not firewire. its not digital |
| 12:04.20 | tehblaker | that leaves lineout 1 and 2 |
| 12:04.31 | tehblaker | my guess, you can use either, but use 1 to be on the safe side |
| 12:04.33 | tehblaker | see the logic? |
| 12:04.36 | jgphpc | ok thanks. |
| 12:04.48 | jgphpc | digital is for input or output ? |
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| 12:05.01 | tehblaker | it says "DIGITALOUT" according to you |
| 12:05.03 | tehblaker | you tell me |
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| 12:05.19 | jgphpc | oups, sorry |
| 12:05.29 | abrotman | hello captain obvious |
| 12:05.47 | Mrdini | heya all |
| 12:05.48 | tehblaker | i thought he was just trolling |
| 12:05.56 | tehblaker | until i saw hes in #audio #linuxaudio |
| 12:05.57 | tehblaker | etc. |
| 12:05.58 | tehblaker | lmao |
| 12:06.02 | tehblaker | fuckin idiot :-\ |
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| 12:06.14 | Mrdini | how do I check which /etc/init.d are running? a bit like RHEL's chkconfig |
| 12:07.03 | streuner | !listvals chkconfig |
| 12:07.05 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'chkconfig' by value (2): red hat tools ;; chkconfig. |
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| 12:07.29 | tehblaker | !tell streuner about jewishness |
| 12:07.51 | streuner | !red hat tools |
| 12:07.51 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. in more recent debian versions /etc/init.d/rc.local exists, see the script for more info |
| 12:07.54 | beanya | ÓÐÈË˵ÖÐÎIJ»£¿ |
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| 12:08.36 | beanya | any body still alive? |
| 12:08.40 | streuner | no |
| 12:08.53 | streuner | its pretty hot here, so dont count with me ;-) |
| 12:08.54 | tehblaker | who would ask such a stupid question |
| 12:09.07 | streuner | troll somewhere else, tehblaker |
| 12:09.16 | tehblaker | if nobody is alive, then nobody will reply |
| 12:09.23 | tehblaker | which leaves his question unanswered |
| 12:09.30 | streuner | !ask |
| 12:09.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 12:10.13 | tehblaker | do most people in here use debian for a desktop or just server? |
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| 12:10.28 | tehblaker | i LOVE debian, but linux just isnt for the desktop i dont think |
| 12:10.34 | threat | is it a good idea to put my /etc under subversion control? |
| 12:10.35 | Ronin | tehblaker: incorrect |
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| 12:10.49 | streuner | tehblaker: i use Debian for both. |
| 12:10.55 | tehblaker | ahhh |
| 12:11.09 | tehblaker | i love windows for desktop |
| 12:11.14 | tehblaker | and debian for my servers |
| 12:11.17 | tehblaker | (i have 3) |
| 12:11.21 | tehblaker | all over the US |
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| 12:13.55 | defrysk | Kernel: Linux 2.6.22.1-defrysk2 | Distro: Debian/GNU lenny/sid | CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2200+ @ 1800 Mhz | Mem usage: 240.9/1012.1 MB (24%) | Swap usage: 0.1/1898.3 MB (0%) | Disk usage(Maxtor 6L300R0): 142.8/225.8 GB (63%) | Uptime: 7 hrs 24 mins 52 secs |
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| 12:14.32 | abrotman | streuner: ac ? |
| 12:14.39 | streuner | air-condition |
| 12:14.45 | dev0 | When creating a .deb archive, is there a way to specify a default installation directory that can be overridden with --instdir? |
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| 12:15.07 | abrotman | defrysk: please don't do that again |
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| 12:15.23 | defrysk | abrotman, sorry , wont happen again |
| 12:15.45 | abrotman | and get a real machine .. jeesh |
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| 12:16.03 | defrysk | abrotman, i know old as the hills ;( |
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| 12:16.48 | jelly-home | !ac |
| 12:16.48 | dpkg | hmm... ac is Mike L Kesl or another tyler or Alan Cox, or an anonymous coward, or alternating current, or air conditioning |
| 12:17.07 | jelly-home | abrotman: your anonymous coward was stolen! |
| 12:17.10 | dev0 | is there a better place for questions regarding the creation of debian packages? |
| 12:17.11 | streuner | cpu MHz : 1396.030 |
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| 12:17.20 | streuner | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) Prosowwor |
| 12:17.52 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 12:17.52 | dpkg | it has been said that mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 12:17.56 | abrotman | dev0: ^^ |
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| 12:20.24 | abrotman | "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted" .... thoughts .. ideas ? |
| 12:20.40 | abrotman | there are two NICs in the box .. iptables doesn't seem to be blocking ping |
| 12:21.49 | tehblaker | is anybody interested in me running a free ircd for them? |
| 12:21.51 | tehblaker | or not? |
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| 12:22.09 | abrotman | tehblaker: try efnet |
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| 12:22.23 | TomasuDlrrp | or the freenode folks if you havent already asked... |
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| 12:22.49 | Xaya | petemc: so it is impossible to view photos on linus under console mode |
| 12:22.50 | streuner | abrotman: http://www.i21k.de/clearfirewall |
| 12:23.13 | abrotman | streuner: it's a script |
| 12:23.14 | streuner | abrotman: sounds like you don't allow ICMP |
| 12:23.18 | TomasuDlrrp | Xaya: actually, it isnt impossible. theres a picture viewer for svgalib and fbcon iirc... |
| 12:23.28 | abrotman | streuner: no .. i think it does |
| 12:23.35 | TomasuDlrrp | I think one of the text mode browsers has image support as well |
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| 12:23.59 | Xaya | TomasuDlrrp: so what should i do |
| 12:24.08 | abrotman | streuner: i think |
| 12:24.10 | abrotman | streuner: it's not my box |
| 12:24.16 | TomasuDlrrp | google for more information about them? ;) I dunno, I'm off to sleep. |
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| 12:24.27 | Xaya | ok |
| 12:25.26 | Xaya | i dont have a web browser to chack on linux |
| 12:25.37 | tarzeau | Xaya: install one? |
| 12:25.47 | Xaya | like |
| 12:26.02 | tarzeau | Xaya: apt-get install links2 |
| 12:26.05 | TomasuDlrrp | links, lynx, etc |
| 12:26.12 | Xaya | i am really a bigenner on linux |
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| 12:26.17 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 12:26.17 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 12:26.20 | TomasuDlrrp | and you have only a console? |
| 12:26.32 | tarzeau | TomasuDlrrp: he can use screen to have more of them |
| 12:26.36 | streuner | abrotman: why not just turn off fw and see what happens then? |
| 12:26.53 | Xaya | Yes |
| 12:27.01 | TomasuDlrrp | why dont you have a nice GUI like any other sane person would have these days? |
| 12:27.06 | abrotman | streuner: it's a remote machine |
| 12:27.34 | pngwn | Xaya, debian.org/doc and enjoy the read |
| 12:28.05 | Xaya | TomasuDlrrp: i need to exploit my sys with only the console |
| 12:28.16 | streuner | abrotman: for a few seconds, to see if its the fw or not |
| 12:28.23 | TomasuDlrrp | pngwn: youre a little late for that, weve already established that Xaya doesnt even have a gui or browser |
| 12:28.39 | TomasuDlrrp | Xaya, as a noob? thats a little silly. |
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| 12:28.52 | TomasuDlrrp | makes things so much harder. |
| 12:29.01 | pngwn | TomasuDlrrp, you've told him to install a browser so the docs would be the next step |
| 12:29.45 | Xaya | pngwn: ok links is on the go and i must go for the doc section |
| 12:29.45 | TomasuDlrrp | pngwn: oh, sorry, I'm just used to people not reading, and noobs not following directions ;) |
| 12:29.45 | pngwn | Xaya, the installation manual and the reference are both good |
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| 12:31.03 | dev0 | abrotman: thanks |
| 12:31.32 | Xaya | TomasuDlrrp: i was under debian but to do every thing in graphique mode remind me of windows so i dont need a graphique inteface it gonna be a next step in my formation on linux |
| 12:32.05 | TomasuDlrrp | doesnt debian default to gnome? thats pretty far from windows imo :P |
| 12:32.42 | Xaya | pngwn:Thanks links is working i have now the doc and your supports thanks a lot... |
| 12:33.24 | Xaya | TomasuDlrrp: sorry i mean Ubuntu |
| 12:33.33 | TomasuDlrrp | it also defaults to gnome ;) |
| 12:33.54 | threat | Is it a good idea to put my /etc under subversion control? |
| 12:34.04 | zodmaner | Don't you like gnome? just curious. :) |
| 12:34.18 | TomasuDlrrp | me? I don't. its _too_ simple. |
| 12:34.30 | Xaya | no i like only the Gnome interface |
| 12:34.34 | zodmaner | I see, so you prefer KDE? |
| 12:34.34 | threat | how many times do I need to repeat my self before I get an answer? |
| 12:34.36 | TomasuDlrrp | and gtk devs seem to lack design skills... |
| 12:34.44 | petemc | threat: its a stupid question |
| 12:34.50 | Xaya | i HATE KDE |
| 12:34.53 | TomasuDlrrp | lol |
| 12:34.54 | threat | petemc, how is it? |
| 12:35.09 | petemc | threat: how would anyone else know whats good for you? |
| 12:35.34 | Xaya | but black box is good is n it |
| 12:35.37 | Xaya | ? |
| 12:35.40 | threat | petemc, ok how about a general sysadmin practice? |
| 12:35.54 | petemc | threat: i would say no |
| 12:35.59 | TomasuDlrrp | Xaya: I prefer kde. its much more flexible and complete than any of the others. |
| 12:36.05 | threat | petemc, so it isn't a good idea? why not? |
| 12:36.19 | petemc | threat: well, why would it be? |
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| 12:36.32 | zodmaner | KDE is nice. |
| 12:36.36 | threat | petemc, I thought I was asking the questions |
| 12:36.39 | TomasuDlrrp | well, again, good night. |
| 12:36.46 | petemc | threat: seems you were mistaken |
| 12:36.48 | defrysk | Xaya, for lightweight gtk2 try xfce4 |
| 12:37.03 | Xaya | ok to put a graphical interface in my sys i need to install x11 first |
| 12:37.17 | abrotman | streuner: it wsa the damn firewall .. the default was DROP |
| 12:37.29 | threat | petemc, indeed, I was also mistaken that you were actually helping me, I guess you are just being a dick. |
| 12:37.30 | defrysk | Xaya, dependencies should resolve that automagically |
| 12:37.39 | Xaya | defrysk: ok |
| 12:37.40 | threat | petemc, I suppose I will ask someone else then |
| 12:38.15 | petemc | threat: i still say its a stupid question - try it, if you like it, use it, if not - dont |
| 12:38.23 | defrysk | Xaya, after is it installed run as root dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 12:38.44 | Xaya | defrysk: roger |
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| 12:38.53 | defrysk | Xaya, to configure your xserver |
| 12:38.54 | threat | petemc, ok so putting /etc under subversion isn't going to rape my system? some how? |
| 12:39.11 | Xaya | ok |
| 12:39.23 | petemc | threat: why would i, a dick, want to help you? |
| 12:39.43 | threat | petemc, oh yeah that's right. |
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| 12:42.01 | mendred | threat: I am guessing that the reason you are asking this is that you want to maintain time based snapshots of your etc? |
| 12:42.01 | themill | ummm.... did lots of people get out of the wrong side of bed this morning? or is the heat (somewhere, not here...) getting to people? or is this a bad case of monday-itis? |
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| 12:42.11 | antgel | the latter |
| 12:42.36 | gnube | Is there a reference to all lintian errors and what they mean? I cannot get much help from the Google. |
| 12:42.37 | gnube | W: libcdk-perl source: changelog-should-mention-qa |
| 12:42.41 | threat | mendred, yes, as I have a few admins who would like to change things |
| 12:42.41 | gnube | ^^ |
| 12:42.45 | antgel | !monday |
| 12:42.45 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 12:42.51 | gnube | is what I want to solve. |
| 12:42.58 | threat | mendred, The only problem will be getting them to use subversion :S |
| 12:43.08 | mendred | hmmmm |
| 12:43.24 | mendred | one sec |
| 12:43.31 | threat | mendred, /etc would be the working copy right? |
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| 12:44.16 | palestino | hi |
| 12:44.20 | mendred | threat: it depends on what is the working copy :) |
| 12:44.37 | mendred | threat: /etc would be the latest version |
| 12:44.45 | palestino | each time i want to watch a video in youtube with galeon or iceweasel the browser freeze |
| 12:44.55 | themill | threat: rsnapshot is good for keeping copies of config files in time-based snapshots. |
| 12:45.39 | gnube | palsetino, Google is your friend. |
| 12:45.44 | gnube | But not mine today |
| 12:45.59 | gnube | palestino, Are you using Ubuntu or debian? |
| 12:46.04 | palestino | debian |
| 12:46.25 | gnube | did you install flash in your browser? |
| 12:46.30 | palestino | yes |
| 12:46.34 | palestino | yesterday it worked |
| 12:46.38 | palestino | now im trying and it dont |
| 12:47.09 | palestino | it dont work in gnome neither fluxbox with two different users |
| 12:47.43 | palestino | ani mastul legamre |
| 12:47.56 | xand | !enter |
| 12:47.57 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 12:48.04 | mendred | threat: i remember reading about something called Timevault..which seems to be what u want..the package was for ubuntu but i dont see any reason that it wont work with Debian+gnome |
| 12:48.40 | mendred | threat: i found the link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474973 |
| 12:48.51 | palestino | help |
| 12:49.24 | mendred | though i am not sure how reliable it is.. |
| 12:49.27 | antgel | palestino: no hebrew here please. english only |
| 12:49.45 | palestino | antgel, it was just a phrase |
| 12:49.53 | palestino | a sentence |
| 12:50.15 | antgel | palestino: correct. a hebrew one. hence my reminder |
| 12:50.39 | norc | Isn't APT using BerkeleyDB? |
| 12:50.41 | palestino | ok TheMagician |
| 12:50.45 | palestino | themill, sorry |
| 12:50.52 | gnube | Is there a reference to all lintian errors and what they mean? I cannot get much help from the Google |
| 12:50.56 | gnube | W: libcdk-perl source: changelog-should-mention-qa |
| 12:50.59 | gnube | ^^ |
| 12:51.02 | gnube | is what I want to solve. |
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| 12:52.08 | themill | gnube: you might have to ask the debian-mentors mailing list that one. Sorry |
| 12:52.09 | antgel | gnube: have you tried #debian-devel? |
| 12:52.18 | antgel | or what themill said :) |
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| 12:52.26 | gnube | themill: Nope, good idea. |
| 12:52.40 | antgel | gnube: istr they are on irc as well |
| 12:52.41 | gnube | antgel: I might surf over there first, since I'm lazy. :) |
| 12:52.46 | themill | gnube: I've been looking for one too, if that makes you feel better :) |
| 12:52.49 | mendred | threat: so yeah i think u can go ahead with ur svn thing..but be sure to test it out first before trying it on a prod machine..(incidentally i am puzzled as to how your prod etc can change so frequently to warrant versioning control..normally any changes there is a strict no no) |
| 12:52.57 | gnube | themill: It does! :) |
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| 12:53.28 | gnube | Sometimes Google finds really good responses if I put the whole error message from lintian, this time no. |
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| 12:56.12 | akos | Hello! I have a printing problem... I use two linux boxes (one is connected to the printer, printing works from there), and the other would connect through cupsys... But shortly after prinitng it says state: "Paused: job-hold-until-specified" (If I try to resume, it changes for a second to printing, then this appears again |
| 12:56.26 | akos | In the properties window of the printer it says "backend http failed" |
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| 13:01.10 | ruloge | i want to get some friend |
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| 13:03.27 | massaki | hello, i just upgrade my debian to Lenny... and now a lot of stuff stop work, im trying to play a DVD but totem says: The source seems encrypted, and can't be read. Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss? |
| 13:03.54 | massaki | i installed the package libdvdcss and libdvdread but still the same problem |
| 13:03.59 | streuner | read xine website FAQ about |
| 13:04.28 | streuner | run "xine" in a shell as root and tell us what error you get |
| 13:05.30 | massaki | streuner, i dont have xine |
| 13:05.40 | streuner | so install it :-) |
| 13:05.55 | loupgaroublond | or mplayer |
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| 13:07.17 | massaki | i have mplayer |
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| 13:09.01 | massaki | Hoo my .. xine run it!! |
| 13:09.13 | massaki | LOL thx.. shame on totem |
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| 13:09.22 | Ben_Cs | hello |
| 13:09.44 | Ben_Cs | is Debian unstable more unstable then Ubuntu Feisty? |
| 13:09.59 | streuner | massaki: totem is just a frontend of xine, it seems its a bug then |
| 13:10.40 | streuner | unstable is unstable, but HOW should we know HOW unstable Feisty is? :-) |
| 13:10.56 | antgel | Ben_Cs: feisty is a release. you do the math. |
| 13:10.58 | Mrdini | thoughts? |
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| 13:11.52 | gnube | Ben_Cs: That is almost an unanswerable question unless you run both distros side by side. |
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| 13:12.19 | Ben_Cs | antgel: but Dapper is LTS and Feisty isn't so...? I mean should i install Debian stable or unstable from stability point of view |
| 13:12.25 | themill | gnube: http://lintian.debian.org/reports/Tchangelog-should-mention-qa.html |
| 13:12.32 | smacnay | PROMPT_COMMAND='pwd>&7;kill -STOP $$' |
| 13:12.38 | loupgaroublond | Ben_Cs, unstable just means that although it works today, doesn't mean it will work tomorrow. use at your own risk ;) |
| 13:12.40 | gnube | themill: Hey thanks! That looks good. |
| 13:12.49 | smacnay | I don'r recall ever typing it but it is in my history of commands. |
| 13:12.55 | antgel | Ben_Cs: what do you think is more stable? stable or unstable? |
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| 13:12.59 | themill | gnube: doesn't really have much info, but it does have a few more words about it |
| 13:13.09 | gnube | themill: dam (a DD) told me to do lintian -i /path/to/changes that helped too. |
| 13:13.10 | loupgaroublond | Ben_Cs, LTS also means that the spaceman will guarantee the stability of it for a longer time than feisty |
| 13:13.19 | Ben_Cs | ok, lets ask it that way. do most of you people use the stable or unstable version? |
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| 13:13.26 | antgel | !poll |
| 13:13.26 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 13:13.32 | themill | gnube: that was my next suggestion from rereading the docs in /usr/share/doc/lintian |
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| 13:13.42 | loupgaroublond | Ben_Cs, i use lenny |
| 13:13.48 | antgel | Ben_Cs: you're missing the point. i think, IHYTAYS use unstable |
| 13:14.13 | gnube | themill: I got rid of the lintian warning by putting the correct maintainer email in the debian/control file |
| 13:14.26 | themill | gnube: :) |
| 13:14.32 | gnube | It had been set to QA at debian because the package was orphaned. |
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| 13:14.55 | Ben_Cs | is lenny the codename for Debian unstable? |
| 13:15.08 | antgel | !tell Ben_Cs about releases |
| 13:15.33 | gnube | hello dpkg? |
| 13:15.50 | harpal | how to make initrd images |
| 13:16.05 | themill | gnube: ? |
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| 13:17.46 | thirst | what is the UserAgent that apt-get sends while making a request to download a ifle |
| 13:18.26 | gnube | Sorry, dpkg didn't seem to respond when antgel wanted it to tell Ben_CS about codenames, but I guess it was a private message - that is why I didn't see it. D'oh |
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| 13:19.18 | Ben_Cs | antgel: how come Debian.org has no links to download unstable? googling doesn't help |
| 13:19.35 | themill | Ben_Cs: there are no downloads for sid |
| 13:19.43 | themill | !tell Ben_Cs about lenny netinstall |
| 13:19.55 | sep | !install sid |
| 13:19.55 | dpkg | i heard install sid is install testing then upgrade to sid, or if you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 13:19.56 | antgel | Ben_Cs: seriously, you have much reading to do. at this level, please consider whether you should be running unstable |
| 13:19.56 | themill | gnube: yep. the tell syntax sends the info as a pm not to the channel. It helps reduce channel noise especially when things get busy in here. |
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| 13:20.05 | gnube | Ben_Cs: Don't you want testing? i.e. lenny |
| 13:20.15 | antgel | no he wants fucking stable |
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| 13:20.25 | gnube | themill: Ah. Smart, and it does get busy. |
| 13:20.31 | MoDaX | thirst:[06/Aug/2007:16:26:19+0300] "GET /dists/main/etch/binary-amd64/Packages.gz HTTP/1.1" 404 317 "-" "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6)" |
| 13:20.51 | gnube | antgel: um, gotcha. |
| 13:20.53 | Ben_Cs | gnube: does lenny have the package xserver-xorg-video-intel? cause Etch doen't |
| 13:21.08 | antgel | !tell Ben_Cs about pdo |
| 13:21.14 | gnube | Ben_Cs: My understanding is you want stable. |
| 13:21.32 | unknow990 | whic Source list have the newst updates? |
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| 13:21.38 | antgel | jesus |
| 13:21.53 | antgel | !tell unknow990 about iyhtays |
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| 13:22.17 | Ben_Cs | really searching Etch for xserver-xorg-video-intel gave no results |
| 13:22.21 | themill | Ben_Cs: that package replaces xserver-xorg-video-i810 which is in etch. These are well publicised changes |
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| 13:23.04 | themill | unknow990: are you meaning security updates or latest packages? |
| 13:23.17 | mu6VV0r713 | anyone have any expirience using dwm and binding floating mode to certain apps ? |
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| 13:23.32 | themill | !tell mu6VV0r713 about anyone |
| 13:23.52 | Ben_Cs | So lets say i use Etch. Can i add unstable/testing repositories without the system upgrading when i install a package from testing repo? |
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| 13:24.41 | ledet | Ben_Cs: consider not mixing packages from different repositories |
| 13:24.41 | themill | Ben_Cs: For a very small number of packages that will work but in general it will not. They have different versions of libc in the different releases. |
| 13:25.01 | antgel | !tell Ben_Cs about backports |
| 13:25.03 | gnube | Ben_Cs: Debian has an extremely fine-grained and complex package tool |
| 13:25.40 | antgel | Ben_Cs: is there any software you specifically need that is not in etch? |
| 13:25.47 | tarzeau | gnube: it's not complex, is it? |
| 13:25.53 | flami | Ben_Cs if you need somthing from sid , maybe backporting is the best solution |
| 13:26.02 | tarzeau | Ben_Cs: better to make a simple sid backpor |
| 13:26.04 | tarzeau | t |
| 13:26.17 | Ben_Cs | i'm currently running Foresight (just for fun) and xserver-xorg-video-i810 doesn't give me refresh rate higher then 60 HZ. even editing xorg.conf doesn't help |
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| 13:26.56 | antgel | Ben_Cs: you only need 60 on a tft (if you have a tft that is) |
| 13:27.12 | DawnLight | Ben_Cs: go for stable |
| 13:27.20 | Ben_Cs | antgel: xserver-xorg-video-intel is what i need. no - i have crt |
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| 13:27.35 | antgel | Ben_Cs: how do you know that's what you need? |
| 13:27.54 | themill | Ben_Cs: what chipset do you have? |
| 13:28.06 | Ben_Cs | cause i feel the flickering, and ubuntu gave me 85HZ with xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
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| 13:28.18 | Ben_Cs | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.49 | gnube | tarzeau: I mean it is complex in the sense that you can do back-ports, blend different packages, use free tools, or non-free tools, etc. |
| 13:28.49 | antgel | Ben_Cs: but you're just assuming that a package /name/ contains a certain /version/ of software |
| 13:29.07 | thirst | MoDaX: thankx |
| 13:29.26 | tarzeau | gnube: i don't think it's complex |
| 13:29.30 | gnube | tarzeau: I do not mean it is complex to use, but can become complex with advanced usage. Would you agree with that charactarization? |
| 13:29.39 | tarzeau | gnube: no, not even then |
| 13:29.45 | tarzeau | gnube: because it scales, and is manageable |
| 13:29.51 | antgel | gnube: you mean "fully-featured" |
| 13:29.53 | tarzeau | gnube: it would be complex if you lose the overview |
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| 13:29.58 | Ben_Cs | antgel - from experience with the package that is |
| 13:30.13 | antgel | Ben_Cs: on foresight and ubuntu |
| 13:30.15 | themill | Ben_Cs: what chipset do you have? |
| 13:30.26 | Ben_Cs | ‎Intel gma 950 |
| 13:30.32 | gnube | tarzeau: Perhaps I do mean fully-featured, but, in my experience anyway, back-porting and "pinning", can be complex. |
| 13:30.48 | gnube | tarzeau: But maybe that says more about me that the package system. :) |
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| 13:31.50 | tarzeau | gnube: pinning yes. backporting no |
| 13:32.20 | themill | Ben_Cs: hmmm... that's the box name that intel gives it. The chipset is i945 which is well supported by the -i810 package that is in etch. |
| 13:32.58 | Ben_Cs | ok. i'm convinced. i'm of installing Etch. thanks guys |
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| 13:33.29 | harpal | to make initrd images in kernel 2.6.18 what should I use mkinitrd or initramfs? |
| 13:33.40 | antgel | Ben_Cs: you can always upgrade as and when you gain the need / experience. don't ask about downgrades :) |
| 13:33.45 | antgel | doh |
| 13:34.29 | stew | harpal: initramfs or yaird, mkinitrd uses devfs and therefore shouldn't be used as of 2.6.13 |
| 13:34.42 | twb | In Etch and friends I always use make-initramfs |
| 13:35.08 | twb | s/and friends/and later/, I should say. |
| 13:35.09 | stew | the only reason to avoid initramfs is if you are trying to avoid udev |
| 13:35.13 | liable | harpal: for sarge? |
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| 13:36.09 | liable | harpal: what have you done now? |
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| 13:39.09 | subx | ive got a VPS but its down at the moment, there is a message saying that they are restarting a host, but its been restarting for 22mins+, does it usually take a long time to restart VPS servers? |
| 13:39.32 | antgel | subx: depends |
| 13:39.39 | chlue | I really dont understand backporting. From my understanding it means downloading sources from for example unstable and then compile and link them against the libs installed in the target system. But shoudn't this fail in most cases, because the old libs lack certain features? |
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| 13:39.55 | tarzeau | chlue: no, sometimes |
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| 13:40.11 | tarzeau | chlue: thye don't have so many new features, not everyones uses all new features |
| 13:40.19 | subx | antgel: its not very professional having 24+ mins of down time.. |
| 13:40.32 | antgel | chlue: in most cases, you're not doing it for features as much as compatibility |
| 13:40.41 | antgel | subx: perhaps :) |
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| 13:41.00 | chlue | tarzeau, antgel: thanks |
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| 13:41.03 | antgel | maybe something's gone wrong and they are pulling their hair out trying to fix it |
| 13:41.10 | anapivirtua | Hi / Ola / Jour` / Mooh |
| 13:41.23 | liable | g'day |
| 13:41.50 | subx | antget |
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| 13:42.15 | subx | antgel: http://rimuhosting.com/maintenance.jsp my host is on host.227 look at the downtime on that..... |
| 13:42.23 | loupgaroublond | chlue, in some cases it uses the old libs too, it's great for that 'one app you can't live without' |
| 13:42.24 | biopyte | hi. i'd like to encrypt a simple text file with a dozen telephone numbers. whats the standard program for such a simple encryption task? |
| 13:42.39 | twb | biopyte: gpg |
| 13:42.47 | biopyte | thanks |
| 13:42.51 | twb | Or if you're an ass, something like zip |
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| 13:43.03 | biopyte | rather not |
| 13:43.11 | twb | gpg requires a little more setup time if you've never used it before |
| 13:43.24 | liable | zip is an encrypting standard?? |
| 13:43.32 | biopyte | twb: i want it simple. |
| 13:43.35 | twb | liable: zip includes support for simple password encryption |
| 13:43.38 | subx | one of the hosts has been down for 15 hours.... jeeze |
| 13:43.54 | twb | liable: mostly I know this from when it doesn't work |
| 13:44.12 | liable | twb: so, it can zip a file and make a password for it, not encrypt a file |
| 13:44.34 | twb | zip(1) can create an encrypted zip archive. |
| 13:44.47 | twb | I doubt that encryption is particularly strong. |
| 13:45.00 | biopyte | twb: gpg works with passwords (or keys only)? |
| 13:45.03 | liable | ack |
| 13:45.04 | themill | twb: it's not. you can bruteforce it on modern hardware in a matter of hours |
| 13:45.32 | twb | biopyte: gpg always requires a key (AFAIK), but they key can also require a passphrase. |
| 13:45.57 | twb | *the |
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| 13:46.43 | NoFX_SBC | its possible install mysql 4.1 and 5.0 and run simultaneos using apt-get? |
| 13:46.45 | twb | At work, for example, we have a text file for each customer describing login procedures. That's encrypted with gpg against the keys of those people who should have access to it. |
| 13:46.56 | NoFX_SBC | s/simultaneos/simultaneous |
| 13:47.29 | pocukrani | can i install mozilla for linux i686 on ma i486 system? |
| 13:47.51 | twb | pocukrani: I doubt it. |
| 13:48.05 | twb | pocukrani: why not use aptitude install? |
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| 13:48.57 | pocukrani | becouse i want only mozill not iceweasel with mozilla addons |
| 13:49.00 | biopyte | twb: tried it. gpg is fine for my purpose. thanks. |
| 13:49.16 | themill | pocukrani: what do you mean? |
| 13:49.18 | lightning | pocukrani: do they even release mozilla anymore? |
| 13:49.32 | subx | i think he means firefox |
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| 13:49.45 | themill | without mozilla addons? |
| 13:49.46 | lightning | mozilla>firefox>iceweasel |
| 13:50.00 | twb | pocukrani: aptitude install mozilla-browser |
| 13:50.12 | twb | That's not Firefox. |
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| 13:50.16 | subx | how do u install firefox in debian? |
| 13:50.26 | subx | apt-get install firefox installs iceweasel |
| 13:50.26 | pocukrani | i want only mozilla firefox web browser |
| 13:50.26 | twb | subx: aptitude install firefox. |
| 13:50.38 | subx | that installs iceweasel for u |
| 13:50.40 | subx | *you |
| 13:50.42 | twb | subx: iceweasel is Firefox with trademarks removed. |
| 13:50.42 | Ronin | and iceweasel is firefox |
| 13:51.00 | subx | i prefer the big orange original firefox logo |
| 13:51.04 | twb | This is a result of... conflict between Debian and MoCo |
| 13:51.12 | subx | i dont like the blue iceweasel logo |
| 13:51.22 | twb | subx: then complain to the trademark holders |
| 13:51.24 | stew | subx: so install another theme |
| 13:51.25 | pocukrani | subx, mee to |
| 13:51.45 | subx | the big orange firefox logo is beautiful |
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| 13:52.06 | pocukrani | now i have installed iceweasel and mozilla-browser |
| 13:52.12 | subx | then debian comes along and makes it blue... |
| 13:52.16 | twb | The Mozilla Corporation basically said Debian can either release timely security fixes, or call Firefox "Firefox". The former was considered more important, so it's Iceweasel. |
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| 13:52.30 | themill | pocukrani: for everything that you need to actually worry about, iceweasel==firefox. What it lacks is a logo and a name. What it gains is security updates beyond the first 5 minutes after release when MozCo gets bored and moves on. |
| 13:52.35 | subx | aye i know the reasons for it.. i just miss the logo |
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| 13:52.52 | themill | subx: then complain to mozco or install a theme. |
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| 13:53.02 | lightning | mozilla is now iceape, okay |
| 13:53.06 | norbert_ | hi and my friends are having problems with Skype in Debian stable, we have oss and alsa, but the mic recording just doesn't seem to be working (even though it did with previous versions of Skype), is this a familiar problem to anyone? |
| 13:53.23 | stew | mozilla is now seamonkey which is iceape in debian |
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| 13:53.38 | lightning | what is the difference in iceape and iceweasel |
| 13:54.04 | stew | lightning: do you know what the difference between mozilla/seamonkey and firefox is? |
| 13:54.07 | zamuro | That one is an ape and the other is a weasel? |
| 13:54.08 | themill | norbert_: it's sometimes worth doing an "invoke-rc.d alsa reload" in that situation. It might complain about programs still hogging the sound card and you should close them and retry |
| 13:54.35 | subx | does anybody know where i can download the windows vista theme for kde? |
| 13:54.48 | lightning | stew: no |
| 13:54.52 | themill | subx: microsoft.com |
| 13:55.02 | Chi11y | kde-look.org |
| 13:55.06 | subx | thnx |
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| 13:55.16 | lightning | stew: what is it? |
| 13:55.26 | norbert_ | themill; thanks... it says /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: Processes using sound devices: 12806(alsamixergui). |
| 13:55.35 | norbert_ | themill; any ideas? |
| 13:55.55 | antgel | norbert_: make sure you have the latest skype beta (1.4 istr). previous versions suck arse. in a bad way |
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| 13:56.01 | themill | norbert_: do you have a mixer window open. |
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| 13:56.10 | norbert_ | antgel; yep, I have the latest |
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| 13:56.15 | norbert_ | themill: I do, alsamixer |
| 13:56.28 | themill | norbert_: you'll need to close that before you can reload the modules |
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| 13:56.33 | norbert_ | themill: ok |
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| 13:57.06 | norbert_ | awesome |
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| 13:57.10 | norbert_ | that worked; thanks themill |
| 13:58.04 | lightning | stew, i do not know the difference, what is it? |
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| 13:59.11 | stew | lightning: seamonkey is part of the 'mozilla application suite' which is a web-browser, email client, chatzilla, an html authoring software, etch. the browser itself is a little 'fatter' aiui |
| 13:59.41 | lightning | stew: is it possible to start it fullscreen? |
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| 14:00.11 | jetscreamer | seamonkey is iceape i take it is the discussion |
| 14:00.14 | stew | lightning: that probably depends on your window manager |
| 14:00.33 | jetscreamer | mozilla |
| 14:00.37 | stew | jetscreamer: yes, iceweasel:firefox :: iceape:seamonkey |
| 14:01.02 | lightning | stew: do you use the email features of the browser? |
| 14:01.06 | jetscreamer | iceape:seamonkey:mozilla |
| 14:01.12 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 14:01.13 | stew | lightning: i don't |
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| 14:01.20 | jetscreamer | it's a standalone |
| 14:01.28 | jetscreamer | it's a package ... suite |
| 14:01.33 | subx | if a server has 99% uptime, what is that based on? per month? |
| 14:01.34 | lightning | so iceape is an X application |
| 14:01.35 | twb | It's a plane |
| 14:01.38 | twb | It's a bird |
| 14:01.42 | jetscreamer | might as well call it thunderbird |
| 14:01.53 | twb | It's using 200% of my RAM! |
| 14:01.53 | stew | jetscreamer: you mean icedove? |
| 14:01.57 | jetscreamer | it's supertweeb! |
| 14:02.37 | jetscreamer | no, it's a plane it's a bird it's a frog |
| 14:02.37 | themill | twb: you must be running some mozilla apps... |
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| 14:03.55 | lightning | anyways i like it |
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| 14:05.26 | lightning | xset dpms is pissing me off |
| 14:05.36 | jetscreamer | i always preferred mozilla to firefox before ice.ice |
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| 14:05.49 | jetscreamer | now i don['t care about anything |
| 14:05.52 | twb | themill: actually, no. |
| 14:06.01 | twb | themill: right now I'm not even running X. |
| 14:06.30 | jetscreamer | a, he meant in relation to your 200%, b, he assumed you had... :p |
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| 14:06.46 | jetscreamer | c, it was a punny, d, how the hell are ya |
| 14:07.03 | twb | Yeah, it's using 200% of my ram, but I killed it six months ago |
| 14:07.10 | twb | Mozilla the Lich |
| 14:07.22 | twb | :-) |
| 14:08.12 | twb | ☋! ☋, I say! |
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| 14:10.10 | jetscreamer | well there went my 1 cup of coffe i had time for :( |
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| 14:12.09 | SRabbelier | Heya, how can I change my default www browser to iceweasel instead of the rather ugly Gnome Web thing? |
| 14:12.29 | jelly-home | using 200% RAM and 200% CPU is so common these days, I don't even know what % means any more |
| 14:12.37 | subx | 1+ hour of downtime, its lucky this website isnt a business... |
| 14:12.45 | lightning | SRabbelier: i think gnome-default-applications |
| 14:12.54 | SRabbelier | lightning: thanks! |
| 14:12.57 | lightning | SRabbelier: go into terminal and type gnome- |
| 14:13.08 | lightning | if not |
| 14:13.28 | themill | SRabbelier: update-alternatives |
| 14:13.53 | Jean11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.59 | SRabbelier | themill: sweet ^^ |
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| 14:15.00 | abrotman | gnube: ? |
| 14:15.54 | Noborusan | night.bed time |
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| 14:20.24 | subx | Update: the server did not come back after the restart, we are investigating. |
| 14:20.30 | subx | oh dear.. |
| 14:21.00 | subx | could that be down to disk space running out? |
| 14:21.25 | themill | !htfswk subx |
| 14:21.25 | dpkg | subx: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 14:21.43 | subx | ..i thought you guys were linux gurus :p |
| 14:22.04 | themill | but it's monday so we don't have our ESP turned on... |
| 14:22.35 | subx | imagine how cool it would be if you had controll of a big massive server hall |
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| 14:23.50 | stew | it would be cool until the moment the first support call came in |
| 14:24.14 | antgel | the best bit is all the bikini babes! |
| 14:24.42 | subx | bikini babes in a server hall? |
| 14:24.54 | antgel | in my imagination, yeah |
| 14:25.06 | abrotman | and sand! |
| 14:25.06 | subx | ..strange |
| 14:25.12 | themill | subx: there are so many reasons why a box doesn't come back up after a restart. I had an old box that didn't come up one day because the battery on the motherboard had leaked and it had etched the keyboard tracks (486 mobos often had the battery over the kb) |
| 14:25.15 | Jean11 | has anyone experiencded an installer hanging right after clock-setup. This the amd64 testing installer. I tried stable and it does the same thing |
| 14:25.18 | antgel | pina coladas |
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| 14:26.03 | subx | what creates a good linux administrator? |
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| 14:26.24 | antgel | Jean11: hardware issue perhaps. you searched the web / read the install guide? |
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| 14:26.38 | zamuro | A good Linux Admin does not make stupid questions, for an instance... |
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| 14:26.51 | subx | . |
| 14:26.56 | Jean11 | doing this now. The weird thing is that I have an older netinstall cd that actually work |
| 14:27.06 | Jean11 | old as in few weeeks |
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| 14:27.45 | phatmonkey | i used the minimal install, but could not get a network connection sorted in the install. obviously a bunch of packages haven't been install, where can i find the packages that are installed by the installer? |
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| 14:28.13 | zamuro | A good Linux Admin does not know a lot of subjects about GNU/Linux, but knows whatever required to keep a server up and running without problems. |
| 14:28.46 | subx | phatmonkey /var/cache/apt |
| 14:28.50 | antgel | a good admin knows where to look for answers that he doesn't have |
| 14:28.53 | Jean11 | antgel: do you know what the step is after the network time clock-setup |
| 14:29.09 | antgel | Jean11: i couldn't be more clueless :) |
| 14:29.17 | Jean11 | thanks |
| 14:29.30 | phatmonkey | subx, i mean the packages that were going to be downloaded and installed by the installer, but never were |
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| 14:30.01 | phatmonkey | in the install, i just skipped straight from setting up apt to installing grub |
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| 14:30.34 | subx | phatmonkey: are you going to download the packages from another machine and copy them on the netless machine? |
| 14:30.46 | phatmonkey | subx, it now has network access |
| 14:30.58 | subx | why dont u just reinstall it |
| 14:31.01 | subx | *you |
| 14:31.05 | phatmonkey | it's already established |
| 14:31.16 | subx | so whats the problem? |
| 14:31.26 | phatmonkey | noticed bits and bobs are missing and not working quite right |
| 14:31.40 | subx | hmm... just wipe everything and do it again |
| 14:31.58 | phatmonkey | no way, i've put days of work into setting it up |
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| 14:32.04 | subx | its not worth the effort looking for bits and bobs if you havent installed anything on it apart from a minimal install |
| 14:32.26 | phatmonkey | there must be somewhere just a list of packages that it installs |
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| 14:32.46 | subx | what have you setup on it? |
| 14:32.49 | lambda | hi everybody |
| 14:32.55 | phatmonkey | subx, what do you mean? |
| 14:33.03 | subx | you said you have spent days configuring it |
| 14:33.19 | lambda | I have some trouble with nvidia proprietary driver |
| 14:33.19 | subx | just copy the .configs and re install it properly |
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| 14:33.41 | lambda | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! |
| 14:33.46 | phatmonkey | can't explain why, but that's out of the question |
| 14:33.46 | lambda | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
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| 14:34.06 | phatmonkey | that's what i was doing with this new server, so i don't want to piss around with it again |
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| 14:34.15 | subx | phatmonkey: maybe u can run the installer within your install |
| 14:34.21 | lambda | with nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-4 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
| 14:34.23 | subx | it might be a dpkg im not sure... |
| 14:34.38 | chops | How do I reattach to another user's screen session? I am trying 'sudo screen -r dyue/31033.pts-4.breakout', but it says there is no matching screen to be attached. |
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| 14:34.55 | chops | It says there is a screen on "31033.pts-4.breakout (Private)", though. :-/ |
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| 14:35.49 | chops | lambda: Have you installed the nvidia kernel driver? |
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| 14:35.57 | lambda | yes i have |
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| 14:36.20 | chops | lambda: Can you load it manually via modprobe, and then see it in lsmod? |
| 14:36.56 | lambda | /var/log# modprobe nvidia |
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| 14:37.02 | lambda | FATAL: Module nvidia not found. |
| 14:37.26 | chops | lambda: Hm. Where and how did you install the kernel driver? |
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| 14:37.54 | lambda | chops, from the non-free debian depository |
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| 14:38.02 | lambda | apt-get install ..... |
| 14:38.18 | chops | lambda: apt-get install what? |
| 14:38.34 | lambda | nvidia-glx |
| 14:38.45 | phatmonkey | my debian install didn't seem to come with /etc/aliases. exim4 isn't reading the aliases file i created, why would this be? |
| 14:38.47 | chops | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=423950 |
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| 14:39.10 | abrotman | chops: i didn't need a bug number .. just thought it was odd |
| 14:39.20 | petemc | phatmonkey: if you choose to use a config with no local users, exim wont look in /etc/aliases |
| 14:39.26 | lambda | find /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/ -name '*nvidia* |
| 14:39.29 | lambda | /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko |
| 14:39.29 | lambda | /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/char/agp/nvidia-agp.ko |
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| 14:39.40 | phatmonkey | petemc, what do you mean by a config with no local users |
| 14:39.41 | lambda | there's no nvidia.ko ? |
| 14:39.49 | chops | lambda: That is not the kernel driver; nvidia-glx is only the X driver. You need a second component, the kernel driver, in order for it to work. You generally must have module-assistant compile and install the kernel driver. |
| 14:39.57 | phatmonkey | i copied the entire exim4 directory from a mail server that worked great |
| 14:39.57 | petemc | phatmonkey: how did you configure exim? |
| 14:40.02 | chops | lambda: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 14:40.17 | petemc | phatmonkey: exim4 -bV |
| 14:40.27 | phatmonkey | petemc, dpkg and editing conf.d |
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| 14:40.42 | chops | abrotman: That's not your bug, it's a different bug that I filed at one point. Installing openoffice.org-calc wanted to install htdig, all of KDE, and some of NFS. |
| 14:41.07 | abrotman | chops: ah ok .. seems a bit odd .. but my aptitude isn't set to instsall recommends by default .. so no harm for me |
| 14:41.09 | petemc | phatmonkey: exim4 -d -bt user@host will show you exactly how it processes mail for a user |
| 14:41.12 | chops | abrotman: Now _those_ are some excessive recommends :-) |
| 14:41.55 | phatmonkey | petemc, http://paste.debian.net/34114 |
| 14:42.01 | phatmonkey | runnign etch |
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| 14:42.05 | petemc | phatmonkey: you read it |
| 14:42.24 | phatmonkey | petemc, what am i looking for? |
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| 14:43.17 | CreativeOne | is it possible to install S/Key on Debian 4? |
| 14:43.58 | abrotman | chops: sorry .. lifted your domain from the bug :) |
| 14:44.06 | chops | abrotman: Heh :-) |
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| 14:44.27 | petemc | phatmonkey: you would need to run update-exim4.conf to build the config from the files in /etc/exim4/ |
| 14:44.29 | CreativeOne | yo |
| 14:44.31 | CreativeOne | S/Key is an option? |
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| 14:45.50 | phatmonkey | petemc, ok, found the problem, it's nothing to do with /etc/alises, it's rejecting mail when sent to the local hostname |
| 14:45.52 | subx | where could I find a guide on patching a Debian kernel? I need to patch my Kernel so my Hauppuage Nova-T stops crashing, here is the patch but I havent a clue on how to patch it to my kernel: http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb?cmd=changeset;node=4e0f277a01f1;style=gitweb |
| 14:45.58 | phatmonkey | thanks for the help, should be able to sort it out from here |
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| 14:46.26 | abrotman | chops: wait .. why is that bug on OO ? |
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| 14:46.39 | abrotman | chops: my issue is with postfix |
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| 14:47.18 | subx | although, the problem is fixed in kernel 2.6.21 but I'm using Debian etch so will have to wait a long time. |
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| 14:47.44 | abrotman | oh well |
| 14:47.49 | stew | subx: backports.org has 2.6.21 and 2.6.22 for etch |
| 14:48.10 | subx | stew: would installing a 2.6.21 kernel cause a unstable system? |
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| 14:48.27 | Ben_Cs | was disconnected |
| 14:48.46 | Ben_Cs | when i write deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free :i get the main and contrib and non-free repos. or i have to write them in 3 seperate "deb" lines? |
| 14:48.48 | Ben_Cs | like in: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main || deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch contrib || deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch non-free ? |
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| 14:48.53 | CreativeOne | yo |
| 14:48.57 | CreativeOne | S/Key on debian is possible? |
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| 14:49.30 | heh_v_water | any ideas why when I --purge apache2 in etch, all the config files stay.. and then if I re-install apache2 it doesn't create new default configs, even if I move old /etc/apache2 directory |
| 14:49.59 | abrotman | heh_v_water: apache2 is a metapackage .. you'd have to purge apache2.2-common |
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| 14:50.06 | heh_v_water | k ty |
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| 14:51.12 | chops | abrotman: I was just sharing another instance of excessive Recommends: with you. The bug I sent you wasn't related to the trouble that you're having. |
| 14:51.18 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 14:51.28 | Ben_Cs | anyone please? |
| 14:51.53 | themill | Ben_Cs: that line is fine |
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| 14:52.29 | Ben_Cs | themill: this line you mean is fine:deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free ? |
| 14:53.25 | themill | Ben_Cs: all three on the one line is fine. |
| 14:53.54 | Ben_Cs | ok thanks |
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| 14:57.07 | phatmonkey | petemc, http://paste.debian.net/34116 - i don't understand why it isn't even getting to the local routers |
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| 14:58.09 | petemc | phatmonkey: i would assume its using the "no local users" option debconf provides |
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| 14:58.33 | petemc | phatmonkey: or at least, one of the routers has no_more as an option |
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| 14:59.14 | petemc | phatmonkey: i assume you know the routers are processed in the order they appear in the config, and if one matches, even if thats to say "no more" , then no further processing will take place |
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| 15:00.01 | phatmonkey | petemc, this is pretty much the default config that comes with debian, i've only made very minor changes. it worked fine on the last server, not sure why it isn't working here |
| 15:00.23 | phatmonkey | dnslookup has no_more, and that's very early in the routers |
| 15:00.33 | petemc | phatmonkey: there is no one default config, there are 5 or 6 ways debconf can configure exim |
| 15:03.01 | phatmonkey | petemc, i'm using the default conf.d, there's only one of them isn't there |
| 15:03.07 | petemc | no |
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| 15:04.30 | zea | hello. is there a way to make gnome panel in etch support more image formats for icons, namely xpm and png? |
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| 15:04.46 | zea | using x86_64 |
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| 15:07.22 | subx | ive installed a 2.6.21 kernel from backports on etch but when I try and patch it with the nvidia driver it errors and says: FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 15:07.54 | subx | the kernel doesnt like the non-free nvidia driver? |
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| 15:10.05 | chops | subx: Correct |
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| 15:10.56 | chops | subx: That's a problem with newer kernels and the nvidia driver; I'm not aware of a real fix yet (although there should be a pretty trivial way to fudge the thing into working again; maybe removing GPLONLY from the paravirt_ops symbols, for example). |
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| 15:11.19 | stew | chops: that was done with 2.6.22 |
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| 15:11.34 | chops | stew: Ah, okay. |
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| 15:11.35 | subx | aye ill install .22 :D |
| 15:11.46 | subx | i feel like im using fedora now.. |
| 15:12.10 | chops | stew: Is it actually legal to distribute now, or did someone just patch out the GPLONLY whilst another kept Linus distracted? :-) |
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| 15:12.33 | stew | chops: it was done legitimately afaik |
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| 15:13.42 | subx | stew: there is no 2.6.22 in backports |
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| 15:15.00 | mat007 | hello , how can i install xchat on sid debian please ? |
| 15:15.22 | stew | mat007: aptitude install xchat |
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| 15:16.15 | jiva | Can someone tell me how to fix this error: (I am running debian unstable) |
| 15:16.16 | jiva | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:16.16 | jiva | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.16 | jiva | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.16 | jiva | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:17.09 | stew | jiva: please show us the output of ' apt-cache policy libc6 ' ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 15:17.27 | themill | mat007, jiva: if you have to ask these questions, then you really have to ask if you should be running unstable. |
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| 15:17.56 | jiva | themill: agreed, and honestly, I changed my sources.list to stable about 3 months ago hoping unstable would catch up with it, but no go. |
| 15:18.02 | jiva | stew: one sec |
| 15:18.08 | harpal | from which repository I can find that initramfs packaes? |
| 15:18.09 | mat007 | stew, hmm it sayscant find........ |
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| 15:18.27 | stew | mat007: show us the output of " apt-cache policy " ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:18.33 | themill | jiva: stable won't catch up with unstable for another 12 or 18 months. (until it's ready :) |
| 15:18.57 | mat007 | its in french stew |
| 15:19.00 | stew | harpal: any debian 'main' repository starting with stable |
| 15:19.14 | stew | mat007: that's fine, or "LANG=C ; apt-cache policy" |
| 15:19.28 | mat007 | ok |
| 15:19.49 | jiva | stew: here is that output: http://paste.lisp.org/display/45698 |
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| 15:20.19 | mat007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.33 | mat007 | where to i put this in browser |
| 15:20.48 | stew | jiva: you must have some pinning in /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/apt.conf* which is preventing the upgrade of libc6, or else it would be preferring the newer version in that output |
| 15:21.01 | stew | dpkg: tell mat007 about pastebin |
| 15:21.15 | jiva | Honestly, I would LOVE to switch to stable... like I said... but I can't actually get to this machine to do a full fresh install... so I am stuck either waiting, or suffering with problems like this ;) |
| 15:21.27 | jiva | hmmm lemme check stew |
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| 15:21.42 | stew | jiva: you appear to be running stable now |
| 15:21.54 | stew | !info libc6 stable |
| 15:21.57 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
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| 15:22.23 | jiva | well, I think what it is, is I have some packages from stable and some from unstable... (at least that would be my guess) |
| 15:22.39 | mat007 | stew, http://pastebin.ca/647582 |
| 15:23.03 | jiva | lemme check something... sec |
| 15:23.03 | stew | jiva: well not very much could possibly be from unstable if you still have libc6 from stable. so you could probably just switch your sources to stable, and manually downgrade any packages you come across from unstable |
| 15:23.35 | jiva | well, I get the same error when I switch to stable. |
| 15:23.47 | subx | this is what my server company say now: Update: for some reason the latest network driver module (e1000) was not compiled/installed on the server. So it did not come up correctly after the restart. We compiled in that module and servers are pinging now. |
| 15:23.49 | jiva | lemme do that real quick and I will paste the output of the same dmgs |
| 15:24.04 | jiva | er msgs |
| 15:24.07 | stew | mat007: i'd guess from that that xchat is already installed. however it would be easier to verify that if you pasted the output of the command i asked for |
| 15:24.37 | antgel | jiva: do you apt-get update after amending your sources.list? |
| 15:24.44 | jiva | yep |
| 15:25.03 | mat007 | stew what command was that stew? |
| 15:25.16 | jiva | here's the output when I switch sources to stable: http://paste.lisp.org/display/45698#1 |
| 15:25.16 | antgel | mat007: scroll up FFS |
| 15:25.36 | subx | jeeze. apt-get update is giving me lots of errors. is there a way to clear apt out completely |
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| 15:25.49 | antgel | jiva: apt-cache policy binutils? |
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| 15:26.09 | antgel | subx: what you're saying doesn't make sense |
| 15:26.40 | jiva | antgel: http://paste.lisp.org/display/45698#2 |
| 15:26.45 | stew | mat007: show me the output of "apt-cache policy xchat" |
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| 15:27.05 | stew | subx: edit sources.list |
| 15:27.10 | stew | subx: or show us the errors |
| 15:27.18 | _DunK_ | hi, what command could I run to find out what process is binding a specific port on my system? |
| 15:27.34 | petemc | lsof -i :N |
| 15:27.36 | mat007 | it says unable to find the package xchat stew |
| 15:27.49 | stew | jiva: yeah you'd want to "aptitude install binutils=2.17-3" |
| 15:27.58 | stew | mat007: show me the output of just "apt-cache policy" |
| 15:28.06 | subx | ive pasted my sources.list and the error: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2190 |
| 15:28.11 | jiva | ok... should that be pretty safe to do then without pooching anything else? |
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| 15:28.28 | subx | i think the backports has thrown it out |
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| 15:28.59 | stew | subx: try a different mirror |
| 15:29.05 | subx | ok |
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| 15:29.07 | kenji | guys whats for the sync command? |
| 15:29.16 | mat007 | http://pastebin.ca/647587, stew :) |
| 15:29.31 | abrotman | kenji: man sync |
| 15:30.00 | kenji | mv abrotman /dev/null |
| 15:30.05 | stew | mat007: you don't have a 'main' mirror, only a security mirror, and security.debian.org doesn't carry all of the packages, just the packages which have had security updates, /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:30.19 | subx | stew, i changed the mirror to ftp.debian.org but it gives the same errors |
| 15:30.31 | jiva | stew: it's chugging :: fingers crossed :: |
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| 15:31.04 | kenji | abrotman how is /dev/null? |
| 15:31.04 | jiva | I think that fixed it stew, thank you very much :) |
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| 15:31.34 | stew | subx: actually ftp.uk.debian.org works fine for me |
| 15:31.55 | subx | mine was working ok, but since i used backports it messed it up |
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| 15:32.33 | Ben_Cs | what are the consequences to adding a testing repo? |
| 15:32.41 | unixslut | I'll soon find out |
| 15:32.43 | abrotman | to what ? |
| 15:32.48 | subx | maybe ive mixed and matched stuff from backports when i installed something and now my whole box is messed up |
| 15:32.57 | stew | Ben_Cs: you would upgrade to testing, which is generally not reversable |
| 15:32.59 | Ben_Cs | to sources.list |
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| 15:33.29 | stew | Ben_Cs: if you want a newer package for stable, you want a backport instead: /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:33.29 | Ben_Cs | stew: is testing better than unstable, and is testing stable enough? |
| 15:33.38 | stew | Ben_Cs: no and no |
| 15:33.44 | Ben_Cs | msg dpkg backports |
| 15:33.54 | antgel | Ben_Cs: we went through this hours ago, what's wrong with stable? |
| 15:34.07 | Ben_Cs | yeh |
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| 15:34.16 | Ben_Cs | backports is what i need |
| 15:34.35 | dromer | hi all, I'm trying to install webmin, but I get: Package webmin is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 15:34.50 | dromer | does anybody know which package I need to install to get webmin? |
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| 15:34.54 | stew | dromer: webmin was removed from debian |
| 15:34.58 | antgel | wow a million release / package questions |
| 15:34.58 | dromer | oh, ok |
| 15:35.24 | mat007 | stew how do i change that so when i go in synaptic it download packages from debian |
| 15:35.25 | dromer | stew: so should I install using the .deb from the site? |
| 15:35.46 | antgel | !dbugs 343897 |
| 15:35.49 | dpkg | DONE:#343897:W[ftp.debian.org] ftp.debian.org: Please remove all webmin related packages; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:33:04 UTC |
| 15:35.51 | stew | dromer: that is not recommended, their packages demonstrate a very clear lack of understanding about how debian works |
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| 15:36.06 | dromer | stew: ok, from source then? |
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| 15:36.19 | stew | mat007: add a mirror to /etc/apt/sources.list ; /msg dpkg mirrors ; man sources.list |
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| 15:36.41 | stew | dromer: in general you won't find many people around here that would recommend using it at all |
| 15:36.48 | dromer | stew: or do you know a better package with the same functions? |
| 15:36.54 | antgel | wi |
| 15:36.55 | stew | dromer: no |
| 15:36.56 | antgel | *vi |
| 15:37.18 | subx | ive found the problem |
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| 15:37.21 | dromer | stew: hmm, I just want an easy way to manage users on my server |
| 15:37.36 | stew | dromer: "adduser username" will add one, "deluser username" will remove one |
| 15:37.39 | antgel | dromer: what's easy about a moronic gui? |
| 15:37.39 | subx | i can apt-get update ok, apart from using this: deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch etch main contrib |
| 15:37.57 | subx | shit |
| 15:38.00 | subx | etch etch.. |
| 15:38.03 | stew | yeah |
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| 15:38.15 | dromer | antgel: well, I want an overview of all users and their permissions etc. |
| 15:38.17 | subx | doh.. |
| 15:38.39 | asmarin | hi |
| 15:38.47 | asmarin | i upgrade from etch to lenny and breaks a lot! |
| 15:38.48 | antgel | dromer: you'll find them in /etc/passwd, and groups in /etc/group |
| 15:38.57 | dromer | ok, thnx |
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| 15:39.05 | asmarin | i make typical apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:39.13 | antgel | asmarin: that'll teach you :P |
| 15:39.18 | asmarin | but new kernel doesnt run |
| 15:39.20 | asmarin | :-S |
| 15:39.37 | stew | antgel: aptitude is recommended over apt-get for doing large upgrades becuase it handles dependencies better |
| 15:39.41 | stew | asmarin: ^^^ |
| 15:39.43 | themill | asmarin: what kernel are you trying to use? |
| 15:39.58 | asmarin | vmlinuz-2.6.21-2-amd64 |
| 15:40.02 | asmarin | on intel core duo |
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| 15:40.43 | asmarin | fuck...i try reboot with grub-reboot but i think a BIG kernel panic appears :-( |
| 15:41.28 | asmarin | i need to go office to restart it manually :-( |
| 15:41.33 | asmarin | see later |
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| 15:42.47 | subx | i like having my main mail server on my box at home, it gives me some responsibilty when things go wrong |
| 15:43.03 | subx | if things go wrong, i dont get my mail. |
| 15:43.32 | Crypticfortun1 | liable: re 6 hours ago: that was perhaps the least helpful answer ever. you could have at least told me what to read regarding what aptitude etc. reads regarding release levels (eg: man apt_preferences) |
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| 15:44.17 | harpal | stew: I have entered deb http://packages.debian.org/ stable main contrib as repository but that doesnt update and gives error |
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| 15:44.45 | stew | harpal: /msg dpkg mirrors ; packages.debian.org is not a mirror |
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| 15:44.56 | jiva_ | I got DCd... so in case you didn't see it... stew: thanks, that seems to have done the trick. |
| 15:44.58 | stew | Crypticfortun1: /msg dpkg reference |
| 15:45.04 | stew | jiva_: you're welcome |
| 15:45.57 | stew | Crypticfortun1: however liable's advice was the correct advice. in general, if you are asking such questions, you should be running stable, not unstable |
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| 15:47.44 | subx | what do you make out of this response time: 64 bytes from 72.249.82.50: icmp_seq=4 ttl=47 time=160 ms |
| 15:48.26 | stew | subx: the 4th ping packet you sent got a valid reply 160ms after it was sent |
| 15:48.33 | stew | oh |
| 15:48.40 | subx | pretty slow? |
| 15:48.42 | stew | response time... uhh, what do you mean? |
| 15:49.05 | stew | subx: yes, pretty slow |
| 15:49.23 | subx | be careful who you buy your VPS off... |
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| 15:52.43 | Crypticfortun1 | stew: thanks, far more helpful advice. unfortunately im inheriting management of a server with which is currently running sarge, so i'm trying to keep up. so rather than telling me "you shouldn't do that" telling me what to read to educate myself about debian's idiosyncrasies is much more helpful. |
| 15:53.14 | jmw | what would be the easiest way to find out what packages are coming from what repositories. I just inherited a box with some sweet apt-sources definitions. I'd like to try to get a picture of what state the box is in. |
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| 15:54.06 | Ben_Cs | when i write: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot I get: Unmet build dependencies: xserver-xorg-dev (>= 2:1.3.0.0) x11proto-randr-dev (>= 1.2) libdrm-dev (>= 2.2 and when i apt-get them, the comp says they're already the latest version. WTF? |
| 15:54.22 | stew | Crypticfortun1: you absolutely should not be running unstable on a server |
| 15:54.57 | stew | Crypticfortun1: you should migrate it to etch (the current stable) sometime before security support for sarge is terminated which happens early next year: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 15:55.19 | stew | Crypticfortun1: even if you did want to move to sid (which you really don't want to do) you have to go to etch first, skipping releases isn't supported |
| 15:55.25 | themill | !tell Ben_Cs about build-dep |
| 15:55.53 | themill | Ben_Cs: what packages are you trying to rebuild? |
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| 15:56.21 | Crypticfortun1 | stew: exactly. my goal is to avoid going to sid. but the previous maintanier had sid in the sources.list file, so i'm trying to make sure i don't accidentaly upgrade to sid. |
| 15:56.22 | biopyte | sxga+ |
| 15:56.26 | Ben_Cs | xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.1.0-2.dsc |
| 15:56.37 | themill | Ben_Cs: under etch? |
| 15:56.41 | Ben_Cs | yup |
| 15:56.49 | stew | Crypticfortun1: what version of libc6 is installed? |
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| 15:57.16 | Crypticfortun1 | stew: currently 2.5-11 |
| 15:57.33 | themill | Ben_Cs: then you'll also need to backport those libraries. The versions in etch are older than those required for backporting that driver. |
| 15:57.56 | Ben_Cs | damn! |
| 15:57.58 | stew | Crypticfortun1: then yes, it was upgraded beyond both sarge and etch |
| 15:58.02 | Ben_Cs | it never ends |
| 15:58.02 | themill | Ben_Cs: backporting all of X is not for the faint hearted. In fact it might not be possible. |
| 15:58.59 | Crypticfortun1 | stew: well damn. that's not my fault, but i wonder what i should i do next... "downgrading" isn't exactly possible, right? |
| 15:59.20 | stew | Crypticfortun1: downgrading is usually possible, but it is a manual process, there is no automated way to do it |
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| 15:59.51 | themill | Ben_Cs: perhaps you could describe what you are trying to achieve and why you are trying to backport X... there is probably an easier way. |
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| 16:00.06 | stew | Crypticfortun1: some packages also may have changed config files or data files in ways that require manual tweaking, since maintainer scripts don't generally provide means to downgrade |
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| 16:00.24 | level1__ | hi, I'm having some weird trouble with my typing |
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| 16:00.45 | Ben_Cs | themill: i'm trying to install the latest driver for my Intel AGP 950 |
| 16:00.46 | level1__ | its replacing some letters with "c". |
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| 16:01.13 | level1__ | like, cis is cat i get chen i justctype and icnore thc c's |
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| 16:01.55 | level1__ | this isn't the first trouble I've had either |
| 16:02.14 | Crypticfortun1 | stew: hmm ok, maybe rather than try to completely downgrade, trying to strike a balance between the existing set up and etch is maybe the best move. i'll read the reference doc you pointed me to and see what i can do... |
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| 16:11.10 | snowbird | any one run clam av? |
| 16:12.32 | azeem | snowbird: ask a more precise question |
| 16:12.47 | snowbird | i get error no data base found |
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| 16:12.52 | snowbird | won't update |
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| 16:19.50 | level1 | Hi, I'm running seriously low on diskspace... are there any cleanups I can try? |
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| 16:20.32 | themill | level1: aptitude clean or autoclean; also look at deborphan and debfoster |
| 16:20.33 | stew | level1: you can run "apt-get autoclean" to clean no longer used cached packages, or "apt-get clean" to clean all cached packages |
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| 16:21.21 | themill | level1: also aptitude --purge-unused (presuming you've been good and always used aptitude like the docs say :) |
| 16:21.33 | level1 | themill: uh, no |
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| 16:21.41 | level1 | bad habit |
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| 16:23.44 | level1 | should it make me sad that deborphan uses just as much space as it frees? |
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| 16:29.14 | level1 | I have gnome and kde, I think I could free up some space by removing gnome, but I don't want to remove apps that depend on the gnome libraries... what should I do? |
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| 16:30.08 | Artimus | level1: Uninstall everything gnomish, see what breaks, reinstall what you want? |
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| 16:30.20 | level1 | Artimus: whats the command? |
| 16:30.34 | level1 | uninstalling gnome I don't think is enough |
| 16:30.34 | Artimus | level1: No idea, I assumed you knew by saying you didn't want to remove a bunch of stuff. |
| 16:31.01 | level1 | umm, I don't know |
| 16:32.03 | themill | !remove gnome |
| 16:32.03 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 16:32.04 | azeem | level1: use a package manager which sorts by section (like aptitude or synaptic), and remove everything you don't want from the gnome section |
| 16:32.25 | level1 | azeem: I might not have on, or the space to install one |
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| 16:33.42 | themill | level1: you can also look around for unused kernel and module images, kernel sources, backups or random crud in /root and overly huge or lots of logs in /var/log |
| 16:33.50 | logd | hi, i made a boot cd to let my old sys boot from usb and it works fine but i would like to add an option to boot windows too which is in a fixed drive how do i? map and chanloaderdidn't helped much |
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| 16:34.08 | themill | level1: getting rid of unused kernel images is always a good start |
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| 16:36.26 | CyberMad | does anyone know how to make software, it's like just do telnet / ssh to server then there is login window, then going to main interface of the software.. i'm interested of making that.. |
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| 16:38.25 | CAiRO_ | when there's a file "mysql-server.dpkg-old" in /etc/cron.daily, will cron still execute it? |
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| 16:39.24 | level1 | CyberMad: could you say that differently? |
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| 16:40.07 | level1 | how do you run X apps from a remove computer? is that possible? |
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| 16:40.48 | themill | level1: remote computer? use X forwarding with ssh (man ssh look for -X) |
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| 16:41.19 | logd | hi, i made a boot cd to let my old sys boot from usb and it works fine but i would like to add an option to boot windows too which is in a fixed drive how do i? map and chanloaderdidn't helped much |
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| 16:42.32 | level1 | themill: awesome... |
| 16:43.20 | CyberMad | level1 actually there is accounting software made by other programmer, the server is use SCO-Unix (sorry wrong channel, but i love debian), so if employee need to access to software, just use putty, then access the server.. |
| 16:43.43 | CyberMad | i wondering what programming language to create that? |
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| 16:46.00 | themill | CyberMad: You mean you want the accounting program to start as soon as someone logs in using putty so they don't have to type anything to begin? |
| 16:46.10 | CyberMad | well, when do telnet/ssh to the server, it automatically show user interface of software login, not default linux login |
| 16:46.30 | CyberMad | like there is software logo, with username and password box on the middle |
| 16:46.54 | CyberMad | no, i need to know.. how to create software like that? |
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| 16:49.22 | Artimus | CyberMad: The prety little login screen can be created with ncurses or a program called dialog. |
| 16:49.30 | Artimus | I'm not 100% sure how to make that a login shell, however... |
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| 16:49.59 | \dev\shm|a | j bash |
| 16:50.03 | \dev\shm|a | whoops. sorry |
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| 16:51.23 | Artimus | CyberMad: Well, you can autologin without a password with authorized keys and ssh. If you can setup putty to login with a default username, you could do it that way. |
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| 16:51.38 | themill | CyberMad: it sounds like you are wanting to replace the login shell for the user with a custom program. Username/password is still handled by ssh and then your program takes over. Alternatively, if you are wanting to write everything from the connection handling up (i.e. replacing the ssh or telnet server) then you've got a much harder problem that is well beyond a new programmer. |
| 16:51.55 | Nach | Hi, I just did "apt-get install mediawiki", I was wonder now how do I access it |
| 16:51.57 | CyberMad | hmm.. |
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| 16:52.25 | themill | Nach: does /usr/share/doc/mediawiki/README.Debian not say? |
| 16:52.29 | CyberMad | does it need C++ skill? |
| 16:52.38 | CyberMad | or need others? |
| 16:52.47 | stew | Nach: read 'zless /usr/share/doc/mediawiki1.7/README.Debian.gz' |
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| 16:53.02 | themill | (hey, I was close :) |
| 16:53.15 | Artimus | CyberMad: My option requires the least programming. It isn't quite as "pretty" as rewriting the login program, but... |
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| 16:54.55 | themill | CyberMad: the easy way would be to follow Artimus' suggestion. You can then write a text-based frontend in a number of different languages (shell, perl, python, even just in emacs... ). |
| 16:55.15 | Raphaelo | anyone recognise what command is in /usr/bin/htpasswd2 |
| 16:55.16 | Raphaelo | ? |
| 16:55.28 | Nach | themill, stew: It says to go to http://localhost/mediawiki/config/index.php, that gives me a 404 |
| 16:55.29 | Artimus | themill: People don't agree with me often enough |
| 16:55.37 | CyberMad | ok |
| 16:55.41 | themill | Raphaelo: apache's program for generating passwds |
| 16:55.48 | themill | Raphaelo: for .htaccess files. |
| 16:56.17 | Raphaelo | themill: why is it in form htpasswd2 and not htpasswd? |
| 16:56.19 | CyberMad | do you know any keyword to learn that? i want google it.. or any tutorial making simple software like that? |
| 16:56.21 | stew | Nach: are you using apache or apache2? |
| 16:56.28 | themill | CyberMad: if you want to replace the networking program then you really have to worry about the security layer much more. These programs are usually written in C and they are difficult to prove they are right. |
| 16:56.31 | Nach | stew Apache2 I believe |
| 16:56.46 | Artimus | CyberMad: Start with "ssh+authorized keys" or "ssh without a password" |
| 16:57.13 | Nach | 80/tcp open http Apache httpd 2.2.4 ((Debian) PHP/5.2.3-1+b1) |
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| 16:57.19 | stew | Nach: you may have to "a2ensite 65-mediawiki" to enable it first |
| 16:57.31 | frojnd | hello there |
| 16:57.44 | frojnd | is version debian-testing-i386-CD-21.iso stable ? |
| 16:57.45 | Artimus | CyberMad: Then maybe http://linuxgazette.net/101/sunil.html What you're going to be doing is programming with a little program called "dialog" |
| 16:57.46 | Nach | stew: that gives me "This site does not exist!" |
| 16:57.47 | themill | CyberMad: and then look for things about curses or ncurses to do the dialogues. Pick a language that you are already familiar with as most of them have a curses/ncurses library |
| 16:57.47 | CyberMad | ok |
| 16:57.52 | Raphaelo | themill: any idea? |
| 16:57.56 | Artimus | themill: What about dialog? |
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| 16:58.03 | CyberMad | thanks for ll information :) |
| 16:58.03 | frojnd | is version debian-testing-i386-CD-21.iso stable ? I paste it from: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:58.11 | frojnd | pasted* |
| 16:58.13 | Nach | frojnd: no, it's testing |
| 16:58.14 | Artimus | I really hated ncurses programming.... |
| 16:58.15 | stew | Nach: is mediawiki mentioned anywhere in 'ls /etc/apache2/sites-available' ? |
| 16:58.23 | frojnd | Nach: where can I get stable? |
| 16:58.30 | themill | Artimus: dialog is good if you're going to do it from a shell script. Depends what the goal is. |
| 16:58.32 | Nach | stew: nope |
| 16:58.55 | Nach | frojnd: http://www.debian.org look for download or installing |
| 16:58.56 | Artimus | themill: If he's asking about how to do this, I'm guessing C/C++ knowledge is minimal. |
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| 16:59.07 | themill | Artimus: nod |
| 16:59.14 | themill | Raphaelo: some debian (possibly unofficial) packages from the time of sarge had htpasswd2 in them. |
| 16:59.39 | Raphaelo | so it could be good to change it to htpasswd? |
| 16:59.40 | aeshyamae | hi all......anyway to enliven my sony ericsson mobile phone by installing debian in that?:) |
| 16:59.43 | themill | Raphaelo: it was supposed to help with the transition. I thought htpasswd2 went away before etch was released. |
| 16:59.45 | Raphaelo | that file is in the folder |
| 17:00.04 | aeshyamae | mine is sony ericsson w700i |
| 17:00.11 | stew | Nach: you need to get /etc/mediawiki1.7/apache.conf into /etc/apache2/sites-enabled somehow either copy it or symlink it |
| 17:00.41 | themill | Raphaelo: is that /usr/bin/htpasswd2? you should never be changing things under /usr (except for local) as that is under apt/dpkg's control |
| 17:01.02 | Raphaelo | huh? |
| 17:01.10 | frojnd | Nach: I got this link while I was looking for install manual :P |
| 17:01.14 | Raphaelo | there is no /usr/bin/htpasswd, only /ust/bin/htpasswd |
| 17:01.26 | Raphaelo | usr* |
| 17:01.29 | Nach | stew: no such file exists |
| 17:01.31 | themill | Raphaelo: sorry... I must be misunderstanding what you are suggesting and what you are talking about. |
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| 17:02.14 | themill | Raphaelo: what's your output of: dpkg -S htpasswd |
| 17:02.19 | Raphaelo | themill: I'm using a php-software that should generate protected areas with htaccess and htpasswd. The htpasswd-command line is in the form /usr/bin/htpasswd2 but there is no such file |
| 17:02.25 | stew | Nach: under stable, right? you must have deleted it then, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 17:02.35 | Nach | stew: no, unstable |
| 17:02.50 | stew | !find etc/mediawiki1.7/apache.conf unstable |
| 17:02.53 | Nach | I see a /etc/mediawiki1.10/apache.conf |
| 17:03.07 | themill | Raphaelo: ah, I understand. You can then change the config file to read /usr/bin/htpasswd and it should work for you. They are compatible as far as I have found. |
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| 17:03.19 | Nach | ln -s /etc/mediawiki1.10/apache.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/mediawiki ? |
| 17:03.37 | stew | Nach: yes. and you should be reading the README.Debian from 1.10 and not 1.7 then, of course |
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| 17:03.58 | Nach | stew: yes, I'm reading this, it doesn't say anything about needing to create symlinks :P |
| 17:03.59 | stew | Nach: then you'll have to "/etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload" |
| 17:04.04 | aeshyamae | anyone who installed debian in any mobilephones(not pda)here? |
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| 17:05.30 | Raphaelo | themill: for some reason the php-program saves the password in a form that apache cant understand. It should be md5 or sha1 or something like that? |
| 17:05.39 | Nach | stew: http://localhost/mediawiki still is 404 |
| 17:05.50 | Raphaelo | the authentication doesnt work because the password is not encrypted |
| 17:06.47 | stew | Nach: did you restart apache? |
| 17:07.01 | themill | Raphaelo: hmmm... the default format is to use old unix crypt (DES stuff) with the -m switch it uses md5. The format is usually something like: username:LmQS9ynxP.9N2 |
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| 17:07.14 | Nach | stew: yes |
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| 17:07.45 | Raphaelo | themill: yeah, but the program creates the user in form username:$2a$05$... |
| 17:07.55 | Raphaelo | that :$2a$05$ is always in the front of the password |
| 17:08.18 | stew | Nach: i don't know then, you have to figure out how to get apache to alias /mediawiki to /usr/lib/mediawiki1.10 |
| 17:08.19 | Raphaelo | anyone recognizes that cryption is that? |
| 17:08.29 | stew | Nach: (or wherever its supposed to go) |
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| 17:08.53 | simonrvn | Raphaelo: blowfish maybe |
| 17:08.59 | themill | Raphaelo: some sort of home-brew sha1 probably/possibly. With the same salt every time |
| 17:09.12 | Raphaelo | hmmh.. |
| 17:09.15 | simonrvn | oh yes, sha1 |
| 17:09.15 | Nach | stew: can't I just symlink the dirctory into /var/www ? |
| 17:09.23 | Raphaelo | the program worked just fine with debian sarge |
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| 17:09.44 | Raphaelo | with sarge the password was always in the form $1$05$... |
| 17:09.49 | themill | Raphaelo, simonrvn: no you're right... blowfish |
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| 17:10.01 | Raphaelo | after changing to sarge, it came to $2$05$ |
| 17:10.04 | Raphaelo | and now it doesnt work |
| 17:10.07 | Raphaelo | +a |
| 17:10.07 | stew | Nach: depends on your apache setup. but likely. you'll possibly have to add a "FollowSymlinks" or "FollowSymlinksIfOwnerMatch" option |
| 17:10.14 | themill | Raphaelo: they're probably using php's crypt() function. php.net/crypt |
| 17:10.26 | Nach | hmm, that symlink seems to have done it |
| 17:10.34 | themill | Raphaelo: that just overlays the system's crypt() and tries to use the best crypto that's available. |
| 17:11.07 | Raphaelo | let me try to find that command from the files with grep |
| 17:11.16 | ChibaPet | Hey, all. Can someone shed some light on something for me? I've got a box with a wacky custom kernel that works, but doesn't use initrd. Trying a stock Sarge kernel (must stick with Sarge for corporate reasons) I get "pivot_root: No such file or directory" |
| 17:11.17 | themill | Raphaelo: too bad apache doesn't know that.... |
| 17:11.43 | ChibaPet | The directory /initrd exists. I'm not sure what's happening. |
| 17:11.58 | glguy | is it normal for ssh to only listen on tcp6, and be able to handle requests for tcp4 connections? |
| 17:12.18 | glguy | same for apache |
| 17:12.22 | simonrvn | htpaswd does sha1, md5, crypt |
| 17:12.47 | ChibaPet | using grub, initrd directive is set appropriately |
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| 17:12.55 | Linux\2 | hello |
| 17:13.04 | simonrvn | glguy: yeh, it's really listening on both, unless configured otherwise |
| 17:13.07 | mikefoo | Question: So we have one web/db server with custom apps running out of space. We have a new server with bigger better specs. slightly different hardware but still 32bit and same exact distro. Could I just rsync everything over to new server? |
| 17:13.19 | themill | simonrvn: and mod_auth will do the same... need to get the php to not generate blowfish hashes. |
| 17:13.26 | glguy | simonrvn: Yeah, it seems to be working fine, I was just surprised to see only a single entry in : netstat -a |
| 17:13.27 | Raphaelo | is there a way to get apache understand the blowfish hashes? |
| 17:13.37 | ampex | mikefoo: sure |
| 17:13.59 | ampex | mikefoo: probably not EVERYTHING, but mostly |
| 17:14.01 | simonrvn | vim thatambiouscrypterfile.php ;) |
| 17:14.15 | ampex | ambious? |
| 17:14.24 | simonrvn | ambitious |
| 17:14.39 | simonrvn | tired, heh |
| 17:14.49 | ChibaPet | Yeah, I have no clue either. Hm. |
| 17:14.52 | mikefoo | ampex: well I just need a working web/db so Im not sure what is needed to have those working.. |
| 17:14.59 | themill | Raphaelo: not that I know of. I'd try to force your php to generate md5 instead. You can force md5 by passing it a salt that starts with $1$ |
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| 17:16.00 | ampex | mikefoo: I would just apt-get apache/2 and mysql (or whatever database you're using) on the new machine and then copy the apache conf files and web documents over, then export and import mysql |
| 17:16.05 | Linux\2 | what is the kpkg option again to build a kernel with initrd support, please? |
| 17:16.14 | Raphaelo | themill: the only question is how to do it |
| 17:16.20 | simonrvn | that $1$ isn't the salt, it's the indication of what hash it is |
| 17:16.25 | Raphaelo | its not the most simple script |
| 17:16.44 | simonrvn | Raphaelo: look for blowfish in the script |
| 17:16.47 | logd | hi, i made a boot cd to let my old sys boot from usb and it works fine but i would like to add an option to boot windows too which is in a fixed drive how do i? map and chanloaderdidn't helped much |
| 17:17.09 | Artimus | logd: Grub? |
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| 17:17.14 | xsdg | logd: what "chainloader" command did you use? |
| 17:17.18 | Raphaelo | simonrvn: the word blowfish? |
| 17:17.29 | simonrvn | themill: oh, i think you're right too actually |
| 17:17.34 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 17:17.46 | themill | Raphaelo: It looks like it's always using the same salt anyway. So perhaps change the salt to $1$abcdefgh$ (must be 12 chars). $1$ makes it md5 the rest is the salt for the hash. |
| 17:17.49 | simonrvn | salted md5 |
| 17:17.54 | xsdg | tasty |
| 17:17.57 | Linux\2 | doh, how glorious of me, its --initrd |
| 17:17.58 | Linux\2 | heh |
| 17:18.19 | themill | Raphaelo: it's a bit of a clusterfuck to use the same salt each time. but it sounds like it's already doing that so you're not losing anything in security :) |
| 17:18.21 | ampex | mmm, tasty, salted md5 |
| 17:18.35 | themill | Raphaelo: is this home grown or is there an upstream you can talk to? |
| 17:18.38 | simonrvn | good on cereal |
| 17:18.52 | Raphaelo | themill: its my private server |
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| 17:19.11 | themill | Raphaelo: yes, but the php that does the management |
| 17:19.22 | Raphaelo | no, not really |
| 17:19.27 | Raphaelo | the project is dead i think |
| 17:19.36 | themill | Raphaelo: ahh... one of them. there are so many.... |
| 17:19.37 | ampex | Raphaelo: you just answered an or question with "no" |
| 17:19.50 | ampex | :) |
| 17:19.54 | subx | when i restart my server mysql doesnt start automatically, i have to keep on doing /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 17:20.01 | xsdg | ampex: the answer is pretty clear, though |
| 17:20.06 | ampex | subx: memory issues? |
| 17:20.11 | xsdg | subx: check the logfiles |
| 17:20.14 | subx | hm.. ok |
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| 17:20.26 | Raphaelo | ampex: english isn't my native language is that's the correct word for it |
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| 17:20.32 | themill | Raphaelo: if there were an upstream that wrote the php, you could try to get them to help you with it as it's a generic problem. |
| 17:20.37 | glguy | to disable ipv6 altogether, is it still enough to add the following to /etc/modprobe.d/00local: alias net-pf-10 off \n alias ipv6 off \n ? |
| 17:20.38 | ampex | Raphaelo: understood, I apologize |
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| 17:21.14 | themill | Raphaelo: But since there isn't, you might just have to hack at it yourself... The php.net/crypt page gives a lot of information (and is available in a lot of different languages) |
| 17:21.18 | subx | thats a lot of good: 0 2007-08-04 13:15 mysql.err |
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| 17:21.35 | ampex | subx: there's a mysql channel |
| 17:21.40 | subx | aye ok |
| 17:21.46 | Raphaelo | themill: are you suggesting that if I overwrote the line $2a$5$ with $1$abcdefgh$ it should work? |
| 17:21.49 | xsdg | subx: does it work when you start it manually? |
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| 17:22.13 | themill | Raphaelo: in the php code or in your .htaccess? |
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| 17:23.01 | Raphaelo | htpasswd |
| 17:23.01 | themill | Raphaelo: you'll not be able to fix the .htaccess file directly as changing the $..$ stuff will invalidate the hash and you will never authenticate. |
| 17:23.06 | Raphaelo | yup |
| 17:23.21 | Raphaelo | themill: I found the place where they use the crypt() from the script |
| 17:23.38 | Raphaelo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:23.49 | themill | Raphaelo: but if you change the passwd changing code to use a different $salt when calling crypt() then you have a chance of influencing the behaviour of crypt() to not use blowfish. |
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| 17:24.06 | Raphaelo | :D |
| 17:24.12 | themill | Raphaelo: crypt() has an optional second argument: crypt($passwd, $salt) |
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| 17:24.40 | Raphaelo | ok, so.... ? how should i use the second argument now? |
| 17:24.40 | xingu | Artimus: actually it's not terribly difficult to clobber openssh; permitemptypasswords, password pam_permit, and auth pam_succeed_if user = hackmeharder. |
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| 17:25.02 | simonrvn | xingu: hehehe |
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| 17:25.20 | themill | crypt($_POST['pass'], '$1$abcdefgh$'); # will hopefully work :) |
| 17:25.35 | themill | Raphaelo: salt should be 12 chars long ^^ |
| 17:25.47 | Raphaelo | hehe lets try |
| 17:26.01 | themill | Raphaelo: make sure you use single quotes around the string that contains $ in it too :) |
| 17:26.01 | Raphaelo | I will add that comment line too |
| 17:26.02 | xingu | simonrvn: hey at least I jailed it to a particular service and target user. :) |
| 17:26.03 | Raphaelo | :p |
| 17:26.34 | simonrvn | xingu: :D |
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| 17:27.00 | themill | Raphaelo: salt really should be random too for any form of security, having it always the same is poor for security as it makes a dictionary attack on a stolen passwd file easier. But I presume you're not that worried about that. |
| 17:27.21 | simonrvn | good practice anyway |
| 17:27.33 | simonrvn | even if "it doesn't matter" |
| 17:27.47 | themill | Raphaelo: once/if you've got it working with a fixed salt, then you could be good and put in a random salt :) |
| 17:28.09 | stew | themill: does it really make a dictionary attack easier? well i guess if the salt was known in advance so you could create a dictionary for that salt? |
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| 17:28.22 | themill | stew: yes, that's exactly it. |
| 17:29.02 | xingu | stew: "probably" would make it more prone to statistical attack too, if the salt was known to be constant. |
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| 17:29.08 | themill | stew: it only really makes it easier if there are lot of passwords in the file too. then you've got an advantage. 10^6 passwords with the same salt is easier to have a stab at than 10^6 passwords with different salts |
| 17:29.24 | simonrvn | yup |
| 17:29.27 | Raphaelo | hmmh |
| 17:29.29 | Raphaelo | nope |
| 17:29.29 | Raphaelo | $nadmin_password = crypt($_POST['pass'], '$1$abcdefgh$'); |
| 17:29.36 | simonrvn | you have other data points to work with |
| 17:29.37 | Raphaelo | this is the line now but it had no effect |
| 17:30.06 | simonrvn | Raphaelo: it's probably getting set up earlier in the file |
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| 17:30.17 | simonrvn | or in an included file |
| 17:30.22 | themill | that's in the code that computes the new password to write it to disk for changing the admin user... yes? |
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| 17:30.37 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 17:30.46 | RichiH | i have two columns of text output (md5sum) - i need the two columns to switch places - suggestions? |
| 17:30.59 | themill | RichiH: awk |
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| 17:31.01 | stew | RichiH: awk '{print $2 $1}' |
| 17:31.02 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 17:31.07 | RichiH | duh |
| 17:31.08 | RichiH | thanks |
| 17:31.12 | solemnwarning | Do the netinstall floppy images support USB floppy drives? |
| 17:31.18 | stew | RichiH: err {print $2 " " $1} perhaps |
| 17:31.22 | simonrvn | solemnwarning: no |
| 17:31.33 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 17:31.37 | Raphaelo | wow |
| 17:31.40 | Raphaelo | now it worked |
| 17:31.41 | simonrvn | solemnwarning: er, wait. depends |
| 17:31.46 | Raphaelo | the salt worked |
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| 17:31.55 | Raphaelo | but the authentication isnt still working though :D |
| 17:32.00 | simonrvn | Raphaelo: \o/ |
| 17:32.17 | simonrvn | Raphaelo: oops premature \o/ |
| 17:32.27 | themill | Raphaelo: good... :) anyway... I have to disappear now. Good luck with it... enjoy the fun of hacking crappy old php code :( Sorry to bail on you in the middle although hopefully simonrvn can help ;) I was supposed to leave work about 30 mins ago. |
| 17:32.38 | Raphaelo | hehe ok |
| 17:33.03 | bdheeman | I have i486-linux-gnu-gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070629 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-13), is it possible I can compile and, or optimize binaries and, or kernel for i686 ? |
| 17:33.07 | themill | Raphaelo: there is likely to be another instance of crypt in there somewhere for non-admin users that you'll need to change |
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| 17:33.28 | themill | Raphaelo: and there will be one for authenticating the user too. |
| 17:33.37 | xingu | Artimus: take #2 (having tested it this time) - actually it's not terribly difficult to clobber openssh; permitemptypasswords, auth pam_succeed_if user = hackmeharder |
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| 17:33.48 | lightning | .bashrc is crazy, does anyone know how to configure it? |
| 17:34.00 | xingu | Artimus: "password" doesn't come into it unless you're trying to really allow the counterparty to eat you alive. |
| 17:34.16 | Artimus | xingu: What now? |
| 17:34.21 | lightning | :D |
| 17:34.27 | themill | Raphaelo: that one will look like if ($encpass == crypt($pass)) ... it should be if ($encpass == crypt($pass, $encpass)) ... |
| 17:34.31 | themill | Raphaelo: happy hunting! |
| 17:34.43 | lightning | gimme .bashrc*******!! |
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| 17:34.52 | stew | lightning: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:35.00 | simonrvn | !give lightning |
| 17:35.01 | xingu | Artimus: for ssh to a remote system, using pam to configure for the remote system's opensshd not caring what the user's password is |
| 17:35.05 | ArmEagle | so.. i've got some version of debian on this machine (headless server, i think its Etchy -how do i check?). And I hadn't done an update/upgrade for a long time.. so i did update and then proceeded with the upgrade. But now it fails on 'debianutils': http://pastebin.com/d618435d1 |
| 17:35.05 | Raphaelo | thx |
| 17:35.09 | lightning | just assign run properties to programs, but they're not taking |
| 17:35.22 | lightning | like an alias for xterm that sets the font and other run options |
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| 17:35.32 | mith | lightning: define 'not taking' |
| 17:35.36 | simonrvn | lightning: you need to to make your shell re-read them |
| 17:35.38 | xingu | Artimus: ie, so that you could ssh straight into a curses based front-end, say. |
| 17:35.41 | Artimus | xingu: *shrugs* Authorized keys would reduce outside attacks. That way, they had to have your "distribution" of putty w/ keys. |
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| 17:35.48 | stew | lightning: do they work if you start a new shell? |
| 17:35.49 | lightning | simonrvn: how do i do that? |
| 17:35.55 | lightning | stew: no |
| 17:35.57 | simonrvn | lightning: xterm settings aren't in .bashrc, they're in .Xresources |
| 17:36.03 | mith | lightning: . ~/.bashrc |
| 17:36.07 | stew | lightning: what is the alias you are setting? |
| 17:36.34 | lightning | so what if i want to run it like every time xterm is called run it liek "xterm -title asdf" |
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| 17:36.59 | stew | lightning: how did you try to set the alias? with what command? |
| 17:37.14 | lightning | alias xterm='xterm |
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| 17:37.29 | lightning | next line, tab, -font *-etc |
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| 17:37.34 | lightning | also tried -fn |
| 17:37.36 | mith | lightning: you want to set this stuff in Xresources if you want it to work anywhere but from a bash prompt |
| 17:37.37 | lightning | etc, none took |
| 17:37.38 | simonrvn | illa/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; pt-BR; rv: |
| 17:37.39 | simonrvn | 1.8) Gecko/20051111 Firefox/1.5" |
| 17:37.47 | simonrvn | woops damned clipboard |
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| 17:37.58 | RichiH | stew: yah, i got that myself, thansk a lot :) |
| 17:38.09 | simonrvn | .:13:37:34: |
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| 17:38.22 | xand | anyone know of an x86 etch installer that will use ttyS0 for console instead of keyboard/monitor? |
| 17:38.29 | stew | lightning: it should probably be all one line, if there are *s they might need to be escaped. can you pastebin the output of "alias xterm" ? |
| 17:38.29 | Bogus8 | hmm, I'm having problems with `date` it shows UTC time and not my local time... but if I do hwclock --show --localtime it is correct |
| 17:38.35 | maxdoubt | what's more stable in a power outage, ext2 or ext3? (using 2 sata drives w/ software RAID1 and LVM) |
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| 17:38.50 | lightning | yeah |
| 17:39.01 | xand | maxdoubt: ext3 is better as its journalled... not sure theres any reason to use 2 anymore |
| 17:39.10 | Bogus8 | i have the correct timezone set in /etc/timezone |
| 17:39.11 | elirips | Hi. I'm trying to install wpasupplicant from backports.org, but it always get a 'No candidate version found for wpasupplicant'. I have added wpasupplicant to /etc/apt/preferences with pin-priority of 999, anyone got me a hint what i'm doing wrong? |
| 17:39.12 | pb_werkin | definitely ext3. ext3 is ext2 with journaling. experience though is that it's not always foolproof. |
| 17:39.34 | SexyKen | Samba does not work very well with Vista now does it. |
| 17:39.37 | ArmEagle | so, is this looking familiar to anyone? http://pastebin.com/d618435d1 dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.22.1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/add-shell', which is also in package passwd |
| 17:39.55 | xand | SexyKen: that depends, there are incompatbilities with some options/versions |
| 17:39.56 | pb_werkin | (there might be some other underlying differences, but journaling is the primary one.) |
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| 17:40.06 | stew | ArmEagle: did you check the bts? |
| 17:40.17 | ArmEagle | bts is what? |
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| 17:40.22 | stew | ArmEagle: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:40.24 | azeem | elirips: wpasupplicant on backports.org is for oldstable, not stable |
| 17:40.43 | sbk | silly question time -- I'm trying to locate a network installable iso image to put on a USB stick. Does images/netboot/mini.iso do the trick? [I'd like the installer to isntall from the web, rather than a pxe style setup] |
| 17:40.47 | lightning | even this simple line does not work to set the title |
| 17:40.48 | lightning | alias xterm='xterm -t XTERM |
| 17:40.57 | SexyKen | xand: Have you any experience getting it to work? I'm having major problems with allowing user access. It works fine if I set a directory as public in samba. But if I have permissions set for user only, the logins just dont work, period. |
| 17:41.03 | stew | lightning: you need a closing ' |
| 17:41.14 | ArmEagle | stew ok chacking that now |
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| 17:41.24 | elirips | azeem, ups. thanks. |
| 17:41.59 | xand | SexyKen: not on debian |
| 17:42.13 | lightning | stew: well it actually opened but the changes did not take, example capital XTERM as the title |
| 17:42.16 | SexyKen | xand: Then what? |
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| 17:42.56 | stew | lightning: what do you mean by openened? |
| 17:43.29 | Raphaelo | hmm |
| 17:43.33 | Raphaelo | it seems to work |
| 17:43.39 | simonrvn | Raphaelo: cool |
| 17:43.45 | lightning | stew: er i mean it didn't error on open |
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| 17:44.05 | stew | lightning: what does "alias xterm" return? |
| 17:44.08 | ArmEagle | ah ok i think i got an idea.. |
| 17:44.10 | Raphaelo | lol it does work |
| 17:44.28 | simonrvn | Raphaelo: ok, now time for \o/ |
| 17:44.32 | lightning | alias xterm='xterm -T XTERM' |
| 17:45.14 | Raphaelo | lol |
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| 17:46.18 | xand | SexyKen: on solaris with own-compiled samba, and using AD for authentication... iirc only users who werent already authed on AD couldn't access the shares |
| 17:47.02 | ArmEagle | hmm.. update for passwd IS debianutils.. doing 'apt-get install passwd' (to upgrade it) fails with the same error. |
| 17:47.22 | ArmEagle | can i simply remove 'passwd'? |
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| 17:48.16 | simonrvn | er, no? |
| 17:48.16 | lightning | it's gotta be a dud |
| 17:48.30 | SexyKen | xand: AD = Active Directory? |
| 17:48.40 | xand | yes |
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| 17:48.52 | simonrvn | 'active' |
| 17:48.57 | simonrvn | 'directory' |
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| 17:49.46 | SexyKen | So basically, I can't do it with local user access -- I have to have an active directory server |
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| 17:53.32 | snowbird | i can get a port to open |
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| 17:53.40 | xand | SexyKen: I wouldn't make that assumption based on what I said |
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| 17:54.38 | Ben_Cs | Ahhhhhh now i'm happy |
| 17:54.47 | SexyKen | I just can't get it to work |
| 17:54.49 | Ben_Cs | using Debiam Testing |
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| 17:54.54 | lightning | stew? |
| 17:54.59 | Ben_Cs | just beautifull |
| 17:55.10 | Ben_Cs | with all the good repos. |
| 17:55.44 | krughanh | how easy is it to jail multiple users and how easy is it to setup...... i have tried a few other popular distros but having no luck (im 2 months old on linux) ..... can you help please ? |
| 17:55.55 | hark | lightning: does it work when you just run xterm -T blah ? |
| 17:56.09 | snowbird | can any one hlp me i need to open port |
| 17:56.29 | ArmEagle | heh oops.. i did 'dpkg -i --force-all [passwd.deb file]' .. but it had dependancy issues.. and now i messed up apt-get :P |
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| 17:57.00 | ArmEagle | and now there are dependancy issues |
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| 17:57.16 | revil | hm.. i want to recompile my kernel adding some features. How can I get the sources for the fully patched debian kernel? |
| 17:57.30 | xand | !compile kernel |
| 17:57.30 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
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| 17:57.49 | xand | revil: see there |
| 17:57.54 | chops | ArmEagle: Doctor, it hurts when I do this... |
| 17:58.07 | krughanh | has no one ever set up chroot on debian or does it not support chroot ? |
| 17:58.12 | revil | thx xand |
| 17:58.13 | xand | !chroot |
| 17:58.13 | dpkg | chroot is, like, a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
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| 17:58.56 | palestinian | hi |
| 17:59.09 | palestinian | how can i install my webcam if i dont now the company? |
| 17:59.15 | xand | huh? |
| 17:59.25 | palestinian | i dont know what webcam it is |
| 17:59.30 | lightning | hark: then it does, yes |
| 17:59.32 | palestinian | because the company is not wrote |
| 17:59.39 | ArmEagle | chops ha.. funny.. not.. |
| 17:59.43 | xand | try lsusb perhaps |
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| 18:00.08 | snowbird | my computer locked me out |
| 18:00.13 | palestinian | xand, Bus 002 Device 004: ID 05a9:8519 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. |
| 18:00.13 | krughanh | dpkg ill check it out thanks.... reason why i ask is i dont want to install yet another distro just to findout that you have to be a rocket scientist to make chroot sftp and scp to wrk |
| 18:00.14 | dpkg | that's too long, krughanh |
| 18:00.26 | simonrvn | dpkg is a bot |
| 18:00.37 | krughanh | hhahahahhaa thanks |
| 18:00.44 | ArmEagle | ok.. so how do i fix up the mess i made? can i jsut do a 'apt-get upgrade' wit hsome force-all? |
| 18:00.45 | xand | foutrelis: orly? |
| 18:00.45 | foutrelis | I hope :) |
| 18:00.54 | xand | snowbird: what does that mean? |
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| 18:01.07 | lightning | hark: ? |
| 18:01.24 | foutrelis | xand: I am programmed not to behave like a bot. That makes me not-a-bot.. I think. *beep* |
| 18:01.54 | krughanh | im embarrassed.......... DAM im speaking to a bot |
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| 18:02.27 | raghos | Hi, I'm trying to switch to the new ata_piix drivers in 2.6.22 |
| 18:03.08 | raghos | and I'm getting a kernel panic switching from the IDE drivers. The panic is something like "cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-block(0,0)" |
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| 18:06.57 | revil | I have no /usr/src/kernel-patches dir. Does this really mean that I have a vanilla one? do I have to apt-get the sources of the patches too? (like, say, seliinux or something..) |
| 18:07.30 | hark | lightning: should work then. This is as a normal user, not root right? |
| 18:07.55 | lightning | yeah, normal user, it's not working, i think i've tried every possible |
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| 18:09.11 | lightning | hark: anywhere else i can define these parameters? |
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| 18:09.13 | stew | lightning: what does "type xterm" return? |
| 18:09.16 | mumbles | ok - if you have changed apahces document root to outside apache-defult - and you want phpmyadmin to work - how do you set this up ? |
| 18:09.21 | hark | what does echo $PROMPT_COMMAND say? |
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| 18:09.50 | lightning | term is aliased to `xterm -t blah' |
| 18:10.06 | GhostlyDeath | nice, hibernating keeps everything how I left it |
| 18:10.12 | GhostlyDeath | sound and wireless work too |
| 18:10.21 | hark | should be -T |
| 18:10.38 | lightning | hark: well i've been trying a few things |
| 18:10.44 | lightning | -t doesn't work either |
| 18:10.50 | DawnLight | hey |
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| 18:13.15 | hark | lightning: what does it say? and is the title is set to user@hostname? |
| 18:14.21 | logd | hi, i made a boot cd to let my old sys boot from usb and it works fine but i would like to add an option to boot windows too which is in a fixed drive how do i? map and chanloaderdidn't helped much |
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| 18:15.55 | Ben_Cs | hello |
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| 18:16.41 | Ben_Cs | Can anyone help me with Lenny and VLC ? (it's not in the repositories. compiling it from source requires ZILLION libs). |
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| 18:17.15 | fasta | Is there an Emacs version with xft compiled support in Debian? |
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| 18:17.47 | t04no | fasta: nope |
| 18:18.23 | fasta | t04no: hmm, since the current cvs version of Emacs has broken ido mode. |
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| 18:19.25 | t04no | fasta: why is it broken ? im using it right now ... |
| 18:19.52 | fasta | t04no: type /usr <and then a "/"> |
| 18:20.07 | fasta | t04no: when I do that I get an error |
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| 18:20.22 | fasta | t04no: what version are you using? |
| 18:20.29 | fasta | t04no: both of ido and emacs? |
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| 18:22.19 | t04no | fasta: cant confirm this. im using unicode-branch, build yesterday. ido is part of emacs 23. |
| 18:22.41 | t04no | ido works fine for me. |
| 18:22.41 | fasta | t04no: I am also using that branch |
| 18:23.56 | fasta | t04no: well, Error in post-command-hook: (wrong-type-argument sequencep t) |
| 18:24.04 | fasta | t04no: that's what I get |
| 18:24.29 | fasta | t04no: I am using version 1.56 |
| 18:24.59 | t04no | fasta: youre not loading another ido from somewhere in your .emacs ? |
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| 18:25.37 | fasta | t04no: I think I am loading it from the wrong location. |
| 18:25.50 | ArmEagle | euh.. Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server_5.0.45-1_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 18:25.54 | fasta | t04no: I am using the debian version |
| 18:26.02 | fasta | t04no: that shouldn't happen (emacs goodies) |
| 18:26.08 | ArmEagle | i already checked some logfiles but can't find an error |
| 18:26.23 | fasta | t04no: anyway, I can prioritise the native version? |
| 18:26.45 | GhostlyDeath | How do I turn on ASLR and DEP? |
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| 18:28.05 | fasta | t04no: I will just remove emacs goodies and see whether I miss it in the first place. |
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| 18:28.23 | t04no | fasta: your are using the debian site-lisp for your cvs-version ? |
| 18:28.48 | fasta | t04no: yes, it contains some libraries I wanted to use at some time. |
| 18:29.08 | inaety | who has any recomendations for speakers that are pretty good but are also decently priced? |
| 18:29.11 | daxxar | I'm running an etch-box which sets my putty's SSH session to $TERM == linux. This means that screen doesn't behave correctly with regards to terminal title - any way to get this working? (So that it sets it to xterm) |
| 18:29.49 | daxxar | (It doesn't set the terminal title when it should, whereas the same command outside of screen sets the terminal title. Doing TERM=xterm screen makes it behave like I expect it to) |
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| 18:30.18 | abrotman | inaety: #hardware |
| 18:30.24 | chops | ArmEagle: (a) it would be more helpful to pastebin the entire output so that people can get a better idea of the exact error (b) is this still on the system where you used dpkg --force-all and caused some breakage? |
| 18:30.26 | inaety | abrotman: okay |
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| 18:31.03 | fasta | One other thing: I enabled the hardware power speaker (by plugging in the right plug). How can I lower the volume of the thing or not use it at all and just have every beep be done in software?) |
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| 18:32.08 | ArmEagle | chops well i fixed that (i think). anyway.. it didn't give any error output at first. but running apt-get upgrade again a second time did.. weird, but well.. |
| 18:32.53 | ArmEagle | ..it fails to stop mysqld.. |
| 18:33.36 | fasta | t04no: ok, it's working |
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| 18:33.54 | Ben_Cs | I have a problem in Lenny - GIMP stucks when loading |
| 18:34.01 | t04no | fasta: i would recommend building a separate site-lisp for your cvs-emacs. grab the newest versions of the libs you need and put them there |
| 18:34.39 | fasta | t04no: oh, well, I am the sole user of this machine. |
| 18:34.54 | fasta | t04no: the "site-lisp" is more interesting to institutes |
| 18:35.09 | Ben_Cs | it gets stuck when loadin xsanw |
| 18:35.12 | Ben_Cs | it gets stuck when loadin xsane |
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| 18:36.31 | antgel | Ben_Cs: have you checked the bts? |
| 18:36.49 | t04no | fasta: its only a directory aka the root directory of your emacs-load-path |
| 18:37.03 | Ben_Cs | antgel: the what? |
| 18:37.33 | antgel | !btssmite Ben_Cs |
| 18:38.48 | simonrvn | Ben_Cs: do you have SANE configured? |
| 18:39.19 | Ben_Cs | installed - yes. configured - don't know |
| 18:39.45 | simonrvn | do you need it? if not, remove it |
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| 18:40.11 | Ben_Cs | is it for scanners? |
| 18:40.16 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:40.29 | Ben_Cs | ok will remove |
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| 18:41.12 | antgel | Ben_Cs: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 18:41.17 | Ben_Cs | ah beautifull |
| 18:41.23 | Ben_Cs | works as charm |
| 18:41.25 | Ben_Cs | thanks |
| 18:41.30 | simonrvn | np |
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| 18:41.51 | pingouin | why glxgears, doesnt give me -anymore- some fps/frame rate /s ? does it need another package to do so ? |
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| 18:41.58 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 18:42.08 | antgel | pingouin: man glxgears |
| 18:42.17 | fasta | t04no: it's not the root directory of my load path |
| 18:42.19 | simonrvn | chrisjw: do you have a script runnign there or are you a bot? |
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| 18:42.24 | simonrvn | running* |
| 18:42.32 | pingouin | antgel: already did...no manual |
| 18:42.35 | fasta | t04no: but it might be standard debian practice to do so, though |
| 18:42.36 | timthelion | What is the simplest, lightest web brouser that supports customized hotkeys and images? I don't need javascript or anything. |
| 18:42.41 | daxxar | What decides TERM? Same terminal (putty) on two different debian-etch boxes give different $TERM (xterm & linux). |
| 18:42.53 | Ben_Cs | antgel: you think thet'll put it in testing soon? |
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| 18:43.11 | antgel | pingouin: hmm. istr it was documented that you need some command-line flag now |
| 18:43.20 | chops | timthelion: Looked at dillo? |
| 18:43.32 | tarzeau | timthelion: links2 -g ? |
| 18:43.36 | antgel | Ben_Cs: when it's ready |
| 18:43.51 | pingouin | antgel: no manual, for glxinfo also |
| 18:44.05 | Ben_Cs | antgel: how about skype? it says : skype is not available in Debian . weird |
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| 18:44.48 | Ben_Cs | antgel: was there a gui app to install .deb files? |
| 18:44.58 | antgel | Ben_Cs: yeah, if you'd read the DFSG when you were advised yesterday, you'd know why |
| 18:44.58 | tarzeau | Ben_Cs: synaptic |
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| 18:45.20 | fasta | Heh, maintainers are really funny. |
| 18:45.30 | Ben_Cs | tarzeau: i mean .deb files that aren't in repo. that i downloaded from somewhere |
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| 18:45.59 | antgel | Ben_Cs: have you read any documentation on debian at all, as advised? the debian reference perhaps? |
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| 18:46.14 | xingu | pingouin: try glxgears -printfps -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark |
| 18:46.17 | Ben_Cs | the 1000 pages pdf? |
| 18:46.23 | fasta | I report a bug. Maintainer X says: "That's not out problem. It's maintainers Y problem. " Maintainer Y says: "Hey, this isn't out problem and X doesn't care about it. Closing". |
| 18:46.26 | xingu | pingouin: having said that it seems that may no longer work in sid... so... |
| 18:46.27 | fasta | Hilarious! |
| 18:46.27 | abrotman | how about start with 10 pages |
| 18:46.31 | abrotman | xingu: you only need one of those |
| 18:46.35 | fasta | our* |
| 18:46.46 | xingu | abrotman: rubbing magic lamps twice is just as valid as rubbing them once I find :) |
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| 18:46.55 | fasta | xingu: glxgears doesn't need that flag anymore |
| 18:47.03 | abrotman | xingu: you only get three wishes! |
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| 18:47.04 | antgel | Ben_Cs: there's only one debian reference. seriously, if you can't be fucked to do your own learning, debian may not be the best choice for you. as already advised, naturally |
| 18:47.08 | palestinian | someone has this cam? Bus 002 Device 004: ID 05a9:8519 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. |
| 18:47.33 | logd | hi, i made a boot cd to let my old sys boot from usb and it works fine but i would like to add an option to boot windows too which is in a fixed drive how do i? map and chanloaderdidn't helped much |
| 18:47.40 | antgel | !tell palestinian about someone |
| 18:47.45 | Ben_Cs | antgel : Debian Free Software Guidelines? what's that good for me? |
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| 18:47.59 | abrotman | !tell Ben_Cs about grounding |
| 18:48.04 | wiebel | I got a really anoying problem with my wlan card, since i upgraded to 2.6.21 (lenny) the connection gets interrupted every now and then, esp. when I download some amount of data. |
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| 18:48.14 | hyper_ch | hiho, where can I change the default character encoding on ETCH? |
| 18:48.21 | wiebel | I got a really anoying problem with my wlan card, since i upgraded to 2.6.21 (lenny) the connection gets interrupted every now and then, esp. when I download some amount of data. |
| 18:48.22 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:48.22 | antgel | Ben_Cs: it might give you a clue as to what the point of debian is, and furthermore, why skype is not in debian |
| 18:48.23 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: in what software? |
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| 18:48.31 | antgel | !factinfo grounding |
| 18:48.32 | dpkg | grounding -- last modified at Wed Nov 16 23:52:59 2005 by beardy!n=beardy@unaffiliated/beardy; it has been requested 409 times, last by abrotman, 32s ago. |
| 18:48.38 | hyper_ch | tarzeau: debian server |
| 18:48.42 | tarzeau | hyper_ch: in what software? |
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| 18:49.00 | abrotman | hyper_ch: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 18:49.22 | hyper_ch | abrotman: thx.... I need to write that down... |
| 18:49.30 | pingouin | xingu: the -printfps give me the frame/fps , perfect ! many thanks. I know it's not for benchmarking. But it's nice to have it when testing different nvidia drivers. |
| 18:49.46 | Ben_Cs | antgel: open source thingy i guess |
| 18:49.51 | pingouin | xingu: or if someone have a good idea for benchmarking.... |
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| 18:50.06 | antgel | Ben_Cs: you seem to ask a million questions, ignore advice, then ask a million more questions that could have been avoided, and if you were paying me, it wouldn't be an issue :P |
| 18:50.21 | multi_io_ | wow, scp has whitespace issues. What year is it again? 1985? |
| 18:50.30 | multi_io_ | :-\ |
| 18:50.44 | abrotman | quote the file names? |
| 18:50.50 | Ben_Cs | antgel: ok thanks for your patience. i'm off to read the Deb Ref |
| 18:50.51 | xingu | pingouin: "benchmarketing" - there's only one thing that matters, and that is whether the card can meet your requirements; so test your own workloads... |
| 18:51.02 | antgel | Ben_Cs: see you in 1000 pages |
| 18:51.10 | Ben_Cs | lol |
| 18:51.22 | multi_io_ | abrotman: I did. It expands them again |
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| 18:51.34 | stew | win 15 |
| 18:51.38 | antgel | abrotman: i have some old bug reports to improve the reference. sadly no time |
| 18:51.38 | xingu | multi_io_: whitespace? last I looked, it was still using a 8k block size and had no sliding window support |
| 18:51.40 | palestinian | barefesh |
| 18:51.47 | palestinian | sorry |
| 18:51.56 | palestinian | someone can help me to get working a Bus 002 Device 004: ID 05a9:8519 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. |
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| 18:52.14 | timthelion | what is the best way to replace ' ' with "%20" in an environment variable? is sed overkill? |
| 18:52.36 | antgel | palestinian: you need to state what the problem is, and what you have done so far to try and fix it |
| 18:52.54 | palestinian | i tried a driver in internet but didnt work |
| 18:53.07 | antgel | !tell palestinian about didn't work |
| 18:53.35 | ArmEagle | ah.. upgrade finally finished.. |
| 18:53.53 | antgel | timthelion: sed is as simple or complex as your regex |
| 18:54.03 | xingu | multi_io_: just checked, and 4k; so as latency approaches 1s, throughput will approach 4kB/s... |
| 18:54.16 | multi_io_ | :) |
| 18:54.17 | ArmEagle | hmm.. still python 2.4.4 |
| 18:54.19 | xingu | multi_io_: the s* protocol suite can be pretty retarded. |
| 18:54.35 | palestinian | antgel, i cant do this step cp *.ko /lib/modules/2.6.17-14mdvlegacy/kernel/3rdparty/ |
| 18:54.37 | timthelion | antgel: is there a way to make a sed one-liner? it seems to want a script file in the man page |
| 18:54.51 | palestinian | cause the 2.6.18-4-14mdv... wasnt created |
| 18:54.57 | antgel | timthelion: i don't remember, -e isn't it? |
| 18:55.04 | wiebel | timthelion, no sed is ideal for oneliner |
| 18:55.08 | chops | multi_io_: I think it's got stupid behavior to be compatible with rcp for some stupid reason. My favorite workaround is to replace ' ' with '?' (or just use * heavily), and quote the scp argument. |
| 18:55.19 | antgel | palestinian: do you actually understand what you are doing when you type commands? |
| 18:55.27 | wiebel | timthelion, sed -e "s/\ /\%20/g" |
| 18:55.37 | wiebel | or something like it |
| 18:55.38 | palestinian | antgel, no |
| 18:56.16 | antgel | palestinian: don't you think perhaps you should, that would make it easier for you to help yourself. /msg dpkg unix lessons |
| 18:56.34 | timthelion | wiebel: ah, thankyou, I had tried something similar, but I didn't think to escape the space as well as quote it. |
| 18:56.36 | wiebel | timthelion, sed -e "s/\ /\%20/g" <<< $VAR evalutes your variable |
| 18:56.58 | xingu | chops: scp passes args via sshd to the target - which starts ${SHELL} and runs the counterparty scp |
| 18:57.04 | timthelion | wiebel: or echo $VAR | sed... no/ |
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| 18:57.06 | timthelion | ? |
| 18:57.07 | xingu | chops: complete with the target reglobbing... |
| 18:57.12 | wiebel | timthelion, yeah quoting in sed's regexp is kinda tricky ;) |
| 18:57.24 | xingu | chops: it's not "compatible with" rcp, it's just not implemented any differently to it. |
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| 18:59.07 | xingu | multi_io_: I can put up with funky parsers but transfer protocols that die in the arse under moderate loss or delay are worse than useless |
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| 18:59.58 | xingu | multi_io_: doubly inexcusable as tcp does pretty damn well with both on its own |
| 19:00.39 | Ndk__ | hi |
| 19:00.47 | chops | xingu: I can't recall if it was scp or ssh, but I've definitely had a bug closed with the explanation "well that's how rcp/rsh does it and we have to be compatible with that". Of course, that doesn't mean that the one who closed the bug was right at all... |
| 19:02.14 | Ndk__ | i've installed debian and all of my screen is filled of "noise" =\ i have reconfigured xorg with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but i always have noise on my monitor |
| 19:03.30 | Ndk__ | my graphic card is nvidia geforce 6100, and i've installed the nvidia drivers |
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| 19:03.55 | Ndk__ | i've the same noise with gparted =\ |
| 19:03.57 | Ndk__ | any ideas ? |
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| 19:04.07 | abrotman | !tell root__ about root |
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| 19:04.26 | simonrvn | !tell abrotman -about abrotman |
| 19:04.29 | simonrvn | :P |
| 19:04.38 | simonrvn | hi there |
| 19:04.44 | abrotman | hey |
| 19:04.45 | zmotok | hello guys, is any of you having problems with hibernating on a sid/2.6.22 (when on 2.6.21 it works?) |
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| 19:04.57 | antgel | !tell zmotok about anyone |
| 19:05.04 | zinx | chops: i had a bash bug closed with a "that's how it works", but which has finally been fixed :/ |
| 19:05.14 | simonrvn | zmotok: no since mine doesn't hiberate |
| 19:05.33 | onur | Hi. I am trying to add a cdrom with apt-cdrom add -d /dev/hdf it's say: E: Unable to stat the mount point /dev/hdf/ and exit |
| 19:05.36 | chops | zinx: Indeed. The amount of imperfection in the world is shocking, truly shocking. :-) |
| 19:05.45 | zmotok | rephrasing: is there any known problem with hibernating on sid/2.6.22 (when hibernation in 2.6.21 works?) |
| 19:05.49 | abrotman | onur: because /dev/hdf/ isn't a mount point |
| 19:05.52 | t04no | did anyone manage to get democracyplayer running ? |
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| 19:06.02 | timthelion | wiebel: um, that doesn't work, it only replaces the first space |
| 19:06.11 | antgel | !tell t04no about anyone |
| 19:06.14 | onur | abrotman: i add /dev/hdf to fstab |
| 19:06.22 | onur | it's not changed |
| 19:06.26 | abrotman | that's not the mount point |
| 19:06.29 | wiebel_ | timthelion, do you have used the g at the end? |
| 19:06.38 | simonrvn | onur: you don't mount *to* device files... |
| 19:06.52 | timthelion | wiebel_: oh, sorry, I didn't have that |
| 19:06.59 | timthelion | thankyou |
| 19:07.10 | helo | j%86sd3F |
| 19:07.13 | onur | simonrvn: what can i do? |
| 19:07.50 | simonrvn | you mount the cdrom to some directory, using that /dev/hdf |
| 19:08.12 | pingouin | acroread (or acrobat reader), from adobe, was not supose to be in .debian-multimedia.org ? |
| 19:08.15 | simonrvn | onur: man mount |
| 19:08.21 | wiebel_ | my bloody ndiswrapper causes a "Driver for device wlan1 has been compiled with version 22 of Wireless Extension, while this program supports up to version 20." does anyone know what this means? |
| 19:08.24 | pingouin | acroread (or acrobat reader), from adobe, was not supose to be in .debian-multimedia.org , for amd64 ? |
| 19:08.48 | wiebel_ | afaik there is no acroread for 84bit |
| 19:08.50 | antgel | wiebel_: the kernel version is out of sync with the wireless tools |
| 19:08.52 | simonrvn | use xpdf or something... |
| 19:08.55 | wiebel_ | :84:64 |
| 19:09.07 | abrotman | pingouin: it's a binary application IIRC .. you'd have to ask adobe |
| 19:09.22 | wiebel_ | antgel, that sound very matter of factish |
| 19:09.26 | simonrvn | abrotman's right |
| 19:09.37 | simonrvn | wiebel_: often things are |
| 19:09.39 | wiebel_ | so I have to live with broken wlan? |
| 19:09.49 | simonrvn | no build it properly |
| 19:09.54 | antgel | wiebel_: that doesn't mean it's broken, mine does that too |
| 19:10.06 | tarzeau | if i have gnome, kde, and fvwm can i turn off the screensavers of gnome and kde systemwide for all and every user, no matter what, in favor of xscreensaver? |
| 19:10.11 | pingouin | abrotman: :) |
| 19:10.22 | wiebel_ | antgel, mine works fine until i start to download something |
| 19:10.23 | antgel | wiebel_: but i don't use ndiswrapper |
| 19:10.35 | antgel | wiebel_: that's useful |
| 19:10.43 | simonrvn | tarzeau: they'll use xscreensaver if they don't have theirs |
| 19:10.52 | wiebel_ | ack ndiswrapper is not the best thing in the world :( |
| 19:11.09 | tarzeau | simonrvn: and why do people have problems with getting back to work, only when they use gnome/kde, but all other users don't have problems? |
| 19:11.27 | simonrvn | tarzeau: ENOPARSE |
| 19:11.29 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i suspect gnome and kde screensavers fuck up the system in a way or another |
| 19:11.30 | wiebel_ | antgel, not that bad only if I download serious stuff, browsing works fine |
| 19:11.42 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i've seen the gnome/kde screensavers get active before xscreensaver |
| 19:11.44 | simonrvn | tarzeau: sometimes yes |
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| 19:11.56 | tarzeau | simonrvn: and when you try get rid of those you lose your session with all work |
| 19:11.57 | simonrvn | tarzeau: timings |
| 19:12.17 | simonrvn | they have their own time settings |
| 19:12.19 | tarzeau | simonrvn: that's why i want to disable gnome/kde screensavers for all. just remove it? remove the binaries? |
| 19:12.30 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i don't even want anyone to fiddle with any of those time settings |
| 19:12.30 | simonrvn | the packages |
| 19:12.51 | tarzeau | simonrvn: ok i try |
| 19:13.41 | Ndk__ | any ideas about the "noise" on my screen :( ? |
| 19:13.45 | simonrvn | afk |
| 19:13.49 | tarzeau | Ndk__: screenshot? |
| 19:14.07 | Ndk__ | it's not visible on a screenshot =\ |
| 19:14.25 | t04no | democracyplayer breaks during startup complaining about dbus_bindings. whats going on here ? |
| 19:14.43 | tarzeau | simonrvn: thanks, i just remove these kscreensaver kscreensaver-xsavers gnome-screensaver, but it also removes kdeartwork.. oh well, probably just junk |
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| 19:15.29 | wiebel | where is the domainname configured in debian? |
| 19:15.52 | simonrvn | tarzeau: metapackage |
| 19:15.59 | onur | simonrvn: i am trying to add cdrom to apt not mounting any device |
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| 19:16.22 | Vipers | can anyone tell me how to remove rpc.statd ? |
| 19:16.46 | t04no | wiebel: /etc/hosts |
| 19:16.54 | Vipers | no aptitude? |
| 19:16.54 | Ndk__ | tarzeau, if the "noise" is not visible on a screenshot, from where comes the problem ? |
| 19:16.57 | streuner | !open ports |
| 19:16.58 | tarzeau | simonrvn: ah good |
| 19:17.09 | tarzeau | Ndk__: interference or bad screen, can you make photo? |
| 19:17.23 | tarzeau | Ndk__: got the videocard near another card? try other slot |
| 19:17.28 | Vipers | t04no you say in hosts, but where? |
| 19:17.32 | Vipers | im in the file |
| 19:17.48 | unlink | what is the time complexity of a directory lookup in linux? |
| 19:18.16 | streuner | Vipers: do you have NFS installed? |
| 19:18.19 | Ndk__ | tarzeau, my chipset video is included in my motherboard |
| 19:18.25 | Vipers | streuner how can i check that? |
| 19:18.42 | streuner | Vipers: dpkg -l | grep -i nfs* |
| 19:18.57 | Vipers | nfs-common 1.0.10-6 |
| 19:19.07 | lekvar | Has anyone else here had trouble lately with audio in vlc under sid? |
| 19:19.17 | unlink | is it O(n)? |
| 19:19.23 | streuner | Vipers: dpkg -l | grep nfs-common (rather) |
| 19:19.34 | Vipers | yeah |
| 19:19.35 | Vipers | thats in |
| 19:20.03 | Vipers | can i remove it? |
| 19:20.13 | Vipers | this has to become an irc server and they wanted that rpc.stat removed |
| 19:20.15 | streuner | if you don't want NFS, sure |
| 19:20.28 | Vipers | i onyl dont want rpc.statd |
| 19:20.34 | wiebel | t04no, that also defines the search statement in resolv.conf? |
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| 19:21.01 | wiebel | i got there "search our" and I have no idea where this came from. |
| 19:21.01 | Vipers | streuner cant i just disable this rpc.statd without removing NFS? |
| 19:21.02 | logd | hi, i made a boot cd to let my old sys boot from usb and it works fine but i would like to add an option to boot windows too which is in a fixed drive how do i? map and chanloaderdidn't helped much |
| 19:21.04 | tarzeau | Ndk__: got any other cards or electric equipment/devices nearby? |
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| 19:21.34 | tarzeau | Ndk__: could also be bad cable isolations, magnetic influence? |
| 19:22.28 | Vipers | does anyone know how exactly i can not let portmap run on every interface? |
| 19:22.29 | tarzeau | simonrvn: btw looking at bugs.debian.org/ and those gnome/kde screensavers, it looks like nightmare software. i wonder how it got into stable that way |
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| 19:23.43 | antgel | tarzeau: it's gnome / kde clout |
| 19:24.27 | tarzeau | antgel: the gnome one is especially horrible if you have like 500+ users |
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| 19:24.34 | tarzeau | antgel: it's just braindead, unscalable |
| 19:24.59 | antgel | tarzeau: well, it is competing with windows on the desktop :) |
| 19:25.33 | tarzeau | antgel: windows works much better up to 1000/10000 users at a place |
| 19:25.38 | tarzeau | antgel: so does mac os x |
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| 19:25.53 | t04no | wiebel: maybe you have to put something in your host.conf. dont remember that at the moment ... |
| 19:25.57 | antgel | i kind of wish i wasn't so happy with windowmaker, then i could upgrade all the time and try new desktop shit, but every time i have tried something else, it hasn't lasted half an hour |
| 19:26.07 | antgel | tarzeau: wash your mouth out with soap and water! |
| 19:26.19 | lekvar | antgel: but openbox is so... xml-ey! |
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| 19:26.41 | wiebel | t04no, ok i'll try, thx |
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| 19:27.06 | antgel | i thought about upgrading to lenny before, then i realised that everything would look pretty much the same, and behave pretty much the same :D |
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| 19:27.28 | tarzeau | antgel: lenny has quite a bunch more software compared to etch |
| 19:28.01 | antgel | tarzeau: yeah, but i do the same old shit, all the time, i can't even get into developing in eclipse |
| 19:28.17 | wiebel | how dangerous is sid right now? |
| 19:28.22 | antgel | i guess i'm at the age where i start to fall behind the youngsters :) |
| 19:28.32 | antgel | wiebel: iyhtays |
| 19:28.40 | wiebel | ? |
| 19:28.52 | antgel | wiebel: google it, ask dpkg |
| 19:28.52 | zinx | !iyhtays |
| 19:28.55 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 19:29.36 | tarzeau | wiebel: i use it, i love it |
| 19:29.51 | tarzeau | wiebel: very much depends on the selection of packages |
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| 19:30.11 | tarzeau | i'm still amazed how there's no config file in /etc that says which packages to have installed on a system, and which not |
| 19:30.14 | wiebel | i used to use it but that was before etch/lenny so I'm not too sure now |
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| 19:30.38 | streuner | tarzeau: you were today out (it was pretty hot today in europe...) |
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| 19:30.53 | wiebel | antgel, i don't really ask i just want to have a glimpse of the other side, like tarzeau |
| 19:30.54 | tarzeau | streuner: i was working hard, and then at the river yes. |
| 19:31.13 | wiebel | tarzeau, how many packes do you have installed? |
| 19:31.26 | tarzeau | wiebel: about 1500 |
| 19:31.31 | lekvar | speaking of openbox, and thus dockapps... anyone know a good non-oss ALSA mixer/volume control? they seem to be for oss |
| 19:31.40 | wiebel | tarzeau, what kernel is in there? |
| 19:31.40 | tarzeau | wiebel: on two different sid hosts |
| 19:31.48 | wiebel | ok sounds nice |
| 19:32.00 | tarzeau | wiebel: i use selfbuilt ones: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/linux-2.6.22/ |
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| 19:32.22 | antgel | lekvar: i must admit, when you mention xml, my blood runs cold and my brain switches off, but it looks quite good. windowmaker is hardly developed now, although that is of course because it's perfect |
| 19:32.31 | wiebel | i didn't want to switch al lenny performed nice, but now i start to look around |
| 19:32.37 | lekvar | antgel: it's stark but seems really solid too |
| 19:32.55 | lekvar | antgel: development seems active too... usually a good sign |
| 19:33.09 | antgel | lekvar: ah, it's not perfect yet then :) |
| 19:33.09 | subx | mysql doesnt start on boot time, i have to manually start it with /etc/init.d/mysql start without any problems. ive checked my syslog and there are no errors, mysql isnt mentioned at all. what do i need to change so mysql can start automatically at boot time? |
| 19:33.27 | lekvar | trying to think why i stopped using windowmaker... ah yes, sawmill^Wsawfish... which is now moribund too |
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| 19:34.09 | wiebel | subx, update-rcs mysql defaults |
| 19:34.18 | antgel | i would probably have a more up-to-date system if i was working on music at the moment - the music software in linux is so exciting |
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| 19:35.03 | antgel | i only just stopped using xmms, and then i only moved to audacious, i don't like all these big apps :) |
| 19:35.12 | lekvar | i upgraded to sid so i could try the (almost) latest version of openbox w/o having to screw around with out of distro libc versions |
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| 19:35.41 | antgel | lekvar: could have built a backport, then i could have tried it too ;) |
| 19:36.09 | lekvar | antgel: I like playing with my system more than using it so i don't mind :) |
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| 19:36.21 | subx | thanks wiebel :D |
| 19:36.32 | antgel | lekvar: you'll grow out of it |
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| 19:36.53 | wiebel | oh, does this secvpnmon thing also work for pptp? |
| 19:36.53 | chops | lekvar: I understand exactly what you mean |
| 19:36.56 | wiebel | np subx |
| 19:37.10 | FabParma | hi |
| 19:37.17 | antgel | it's cool that people can still be bothered to use sid, as it's a big part of why the releases are so tidy |
| 19:37.25 | lekvar | antgel: i'd get a mac if i wanted to behave myself |
| 19:37.47 | bdheeman | hi, friends! |
| 19:37.48 | antgel | but since sarge was released, i've just not felt the need to be in front of the curve |
| 19:37.48 | chops | lekvar: I recommend a career in IT -- either you'll become bitter and hateful and be cured of the desire to play with Linux systems, or you'll get paid to play with systems all day and be happy. Either way success. |
| 19:37.49 | lekvar | actually sid's given me surprisingly little trouble |
| 19:37.56 | lekvar | chops: I have a career in IT. |
| 19:38.00 | FabParma | I need to start-up a ftp server. What do you suggest me? |
| 19:38.18 | chops | lekvar: Excellent. Good show then. Keep it up. :-) |
| 19:38.22 | lekvar | chops: and I'm plenty bitter. dorking around with debian is fun because nobody loses any money if i feel like reinstalling |
| 19:38.47 | Ndk__ | on each boot, i've another ethernet interface : on the first boot eth0, than eth1, etc =\ why ? |
| 19:39.00 | foutrelis | FabParma: proftpd works fine for me :) |
| 19:39.03 | antgel | !tell Ndk__ about z25 |
| 19:39.06 | bdheeman | how do I make 'dpkg-buildpackage -b -ai686 -rfakeroot ' work ? |
| 19:39.16 | FabParma | I need to start-up a ftp server. Which one do you suggest me? |
| 19:39.21 | antgel | bdheeman: by typing it in a shell |
| 19:39.23 | chops | Ndk__: Modern kernels do not have reliable ethernet interface names. Yes, it's asinine. See udev for how to give them reliable names. |
| 19:39.27 | FabParma | foutrelis: thanx |
| 19:39.28 | antgel | FabParma: way to be patient |
| 19:39.35 | wiebel | chops, that reminds me of my actual sweet opteron server oh which i got XEN working, what great joy this is ;)) |
| 19:39.40 | bdheeman | I get 'unknown Debian architecture i686, you must specify GNU system type, too at /usr/bin/dpkg-architecture line 162' |
| 19:39.48 | foutrelis | FabParma: vsftpd was nice too :) |
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| 19:40.34 | lekvar | chops - do you work in IT or are you now a goat herder as a consequence? |
| 19:40.48 | antgel | thin lizzy rocks |
| 19:40.57 | wiebel | chops, do you know how unraliable this is? can i count on it to be the same from boot to boot? |
| 19:41.09 | wiebel | :a:e |
| 19:41.10 | bdheeman | antgel: I get 'unknown Debian architecture i686, you must specify GNU system type, too at /usr/bin/dpkg-architecture line 162' error |
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| 19:41.41 | chops | lekvar: I work in programming, and I'm about to go back to Linux systems administration. Our third party IT provider turned out to be a bunch of chihuahuas dressed in suits, management's finally realized this, and I get to clean up what they did to our servers in the meantime. |
| 19:41.51 | chops | lekvar: Not that I am bitter. I just wish they'd go on the paper. |
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| 19:42.16 | chops | lekvar: They're actually perfectly competent at Windows administration |
| 19:42.32 | blinx | I have usb headphones and a 7.1 sound card |
| 19:42.45 | antgel | chops: yeah, well that's nothing to do with computers :D |
| 19:43.08 | wiebel | *g* |
| 19:43.14 | blinx | now I want to run xmms with the usb headphones and the soundcard with amarok but in amarok there is no option to select the used output device... |
| 19:43.44 | wiebel | blinx, there is as a subset of the alsa driver |
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| 19:44.25 | palestinian | the camera is working but the image is very bad |
| 19:44.30 | FabParma | does "vsftpd" the more secure ftp server for linux? |
| 19:44.31 | wiebel | blinx, you have to adjust the alsa parameters directly |
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| 19:44.46 | blinx | wiebel: sorry, but I have really no idea |
| 19:44.48 | schoppenhauer | hello. i have been upgrading to unstable. anything works so far but the new kernel 2.6.22. booting stops on "waiting for root file system". I found this on bugs.debian.org saying that one should uninstall initramfs-tools, upgrade udev and install yaird. i did so, i reinstalled the kernel, but still have the same problem. another thing i have heard is that it may be related to me having sata-hard-disks and in the unstable kernel these ... |
| 19:44.54 | schoppenhauer | ... drivers are not loaded at boot-time, but i didnt find any fix for that. can somebody help me somehow? |
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| 19:45.14 | blinx | I currently using dmix for multiple applications for one output devic |
| 19:45.28 | antgel | schoppenhauer: boot an old kernel |
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| 19:45.57 | schoppenhauer | antgel: i already did |
| 19:46.08 | schoppenhauer | antgel: and then? |
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| 19:46.32 | antgel | schoppenhauer: use your machine? |
| 19:47.00 | schoppenhauer | antgel: then i still have no new kernel. |
| 19:47.09 | antgel | schoppenhauer: but you have a working kernel |
| 19:47.11 | blinx | wiebel: where I can get more information about that? |
| 19:47.30 | schoppenhauer | antgel: no. the old kernel doesnt work properly. otherwise i wouldnt upgrade. |
| 19:48.06 | schoppenhauer | antgel: i wouldnt even use the kernel in lenny if the stable one would work |
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| 19:48.31 | schoppenhauer | ok. to the others: any helpful suggestion? |
| 19:48.44 | antgel | schoppenhauer: that's a real shitter. if you think it's really a kernel bug, not a debian packaging bug, you could try lkml |
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| 19:49.01 | wiebel | blinx, when you get to configure amarok -> Engine -> Xine -> alsa there are all options you need |
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| 19:49.19 | schoppenhauer | antgel: what are you talking about? |
| 19:49.31 | wiebel | enter e.g. plug:dmix |
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| 19:49.53 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 19:49.54 | dpkg | i guess qotd158 is <paulswm> They don't make 2.25 ton mass storage drives any more :( |
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| 19:51.25 | SORMANOV | how to list my serial attached devices ? |
| 19:52.03 | wiebel | serial attached devices? like ttyS* ?? no pnp there |
| 19:52.04 | schoppenhauer | antgel: why do you answer me if you yourself dont have any clue? |
| 19:52.04 | palestinian | hi,I got my webcam working but the image is really bad |
| 19:52.27 | antgel | palestinian: webcams are often bad, generally |
| 19:52.30 | SORMANOV | wiebel, yes |
| 19:52.39 | wiebel | SORMANOV, no way |
| 19:52.49 | wiebel | SORMANOV, you have to know by yourself |
| 19:52.55 | antgel | schoppenhauer: for a fucking laugh you ungrateful git |
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| 19:55.16 | schoppenhauer | antgel: ok. again learned a new word... i didnt know what a git is. whatever. how to be grateful if someone tells you to simply use an older kernel? |
| 19:55.19 | blinx | wiebel: but how can I choose my via sound chip instead of the usb audio? |
| 19:55.23 | blinx | via=1 |
| 19:55.26 | blinx | usb=0 |
| 19:55.39 | schoppenhauer | antgel: if i dont know i simply dont answer people. |
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| 19:56.40 | stew | schoppenhauer: antgel: please just use ignore |
| 19:56.58 | antgel | stew: i don't think it's that serious |
| 19:57.01 | solemnwarning | Is there a Debian netinstall floppy set with USB floppy support? |
| 19:57.09 | stew | antgel: then at least take it elsewhere |
| 19:58.04 | streuner | solemnwarning: there was/is, but i think its not official, IIRC |
| 19:58.19 | streuner | solemnwarning: just read ig |
| 19:58.49 | antgel | schoppenhauer: you appear to think that because you are upgrading for a valid reason, that everyone does. a lot of people upgrade for no reason, break things, and ask for help. if you have no choice but to use a newer version, i pointed you to lkml, which is a perfectly reasonable suggestion if you have tried all other avenues |
| 19:58.49 | solemnwarning | ig? |
| 19:59.02 | streuner | solemnwarning: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 19:59.18 | antgel | i have nothing further |
| 19:59.48 | wiebel | blinx, that dependson your alsa configuration |
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| 20:00.21 | wiebel | blinx, you can check via alsamixer -c X what your cards are |
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| 20:00.31 | stew | schoppenhauer: "waiting for root filesystem" is, in fact, a problem with your initrd. initramfs-tools and yaird are the two possible initrd creators. so switching to yaird was a possible fix only in that it is a completely different system in generating an initrd. did you have it actually recreate the initrd after installing yaird? |
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| 20:02.08 | wiebel | schoppenhauer, or go the direct way and build a kernel without initrd |
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| 20:02.38 | streuner | schoppenhauer: do you use udev? (yaird wont work with udev) |
| 20:02.45 | stew | streuner: why not? |
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| 20:02.58 | streuner | yaird doesn't support udev |
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| 20:03.31 | streuner | stew: gods, no idea |
| 20:03.33 | wiebel | streuner, ? what no udev? what madness is this? |
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| 20:03.35 | stew | streuner: i don't know what that means. yaird doesn't require udev but what support does udev need from the initrd? |
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| 20:03.57 | schoppen1auer | wah. sorry. lost connection. |
| 20:03.59 | stew | initramfs-requires udev, yaird doesn't use it |
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| 20:04.16 | stew | schoppen1auer: when you installed yaird, did you actually rebuild your initrd with it? |
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| 20:04.26 | omar | anyone using AppArmor ? |
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| 20:04.38 | wiebel | that's a better question udev starts far after initrd |
| 20:04.39 | schoppen1auer | stew: no. |
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| 20:04.49 | stew | wiebel: not with initramfs it doesn't |
| 20:04.59 | wiebel | strange |
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| 20:05.08 | stew | wiebel: intiramfs-tools uses udev in the initrd |
| 20:05.15 | wiebel | i liked my kernels without initrd |
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| 20:05.28 | wiebel | schoppenhauer, or go the direct way and build a kernel without initrd |
| 20:05.52 | streuner | or go the best way, just use an official kernel :-) |
| 20:05.57 | stew | schoppen1auer: then installing yaird wouldn't have done anything for you. but i wouldn't recommend moving to yaird anyway, i would first just try rebuilding my initrd with initramfs-tools by running "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$whateverversion" |
| 20:06.09 | stew | wiebel: that's not an option for everyone (like me) |
| 20:06.10 | palestinian | if i install the last amsn from tarball my distro will become unstable? |
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| 20:06.25 | streuner | no |
| 20:06.34 | wiebel | stew, any weird stuff for root? |
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| 20:07.38 | streuner | palestinian: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:07.38 | streuner | fuck |
| 20:07.38 | stew | wiebel: root is on lvm |
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| 20:07.39 | wiebel | stew, sure that, that's still a problem? |
| 20:07.39 | streuner | palestinian: still here? |
| 20:07.39 | stew | wiebel: it requires an initrd to run "vgchange -a y" to start lvm before you can mount root |
| 20:07.42 | wiebel | is vgchange really needed |
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| 20:07.47 | palestinian | streuner, yes |
| 20:07.50 | streuner | palestinian: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 20:07.57 | stew | wiebel: yes |
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| 20:08.03 | schoppen1auer | stew: ok. thank you. |
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| 20:08.22 | wiebel | stew, there should be another way even grub can use lvm volumes |
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| 20:08.25 | streuner | palestinian: you need bascially "debian/rules" to make a deb out of the tarball |
| 20:08.32 | wiebel | iirc |
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| 20:09.01 | grendal_prime | i got this hp 6000 laptop man i cannot get x too work on it...i had it working for a few min..then tried to reset the resolution (cause its a wacky width) and now its jacked..im just using the vga driver at this point and still cannot get it going anyone have one of these? |
| 20:09.02 | palestinian | streuner, i cant install the tarball like .configure make make install? |
| 20:09.07 | wiebel | stew, but true, that reason also drove me into the initrd long time ago |
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| 20:09.20 | streuner | sure, but you have that installed in /usr/local/ then... |
| 20:09.30 | streuner | not as part of the dpkg system |
| 20:09.43 | palestinian | and its bad? |
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| 20:10.08 | streuner | well, in case some package would be updated you just get the newer package then |
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| 20:10.23 | palestinian | the problem is my webcam |
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| 20:10.31 | palestinian | there is any configurqator for webcams? |
| 20:10.36 | streuner | no |
| 20:10.47 | streuner | you need a driver |
| 20:10.47 | wiebel | is there an intended location for building debian packages? right now i use /usr/local/src |
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| 20:13.06 | streuner | palestinian: just search in "groups.google.com" about a driver |
| 20:13.16 | streuner | s/about/for/ |
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| 20:13.37 | palestinian | i found the driver streuner |
| 20:13.39 | antgel | wtf? |
| 20:13.45 | palestinian | and it works,but the image is very bad |
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| 20:14.21 | abrotman | it's a freaking webcam |
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| 20:15.15 | antgel | i just got freaking booted off |
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| 20:15.25 | wiebel | go and buy a real camera |
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| 20:16.09 | wiebel | if you get a picture i assume you already got what you paid for |
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| 20:17.16 | wiebel | palestinian, or do you get a signifcantly better picture on other popular OSs? |
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| 20:18.04 | zinx | i have a .1MP [SIC] camera that gets far superior quality in Linux than with the windows drivers/programs |
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| 20:18.19 | holycow | hey guys, what is the name of the script to lock down a debian box again? |
| 20:18.25 | streuner | zinx: how much? |
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| 20:18.27 | ugly | is there a way to convert MKVs to DVD format? |
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| 20:18.41 | palestinian | wiebel, yes,in windows it worked ok |
| 20:18.44 | streuner | holycow: lock down? shutdown? |
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| 20:19.06 | streuner | holycow: or just lock the whole session? vlock |
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| 20:19.08 | Knight_Lord | How can I allow a user to bind to a network interface? |
| 20:19.25 | wiebel | palestinian, hmm, ok then i'm lost but there might be hope, or some good post processing |
| 20:19.29 | holycow | yeah no, its the script that you run to check all the configs and stuff to harden it before putting it ona public netework |
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| 20:19.32 | holycow | damn forget the name |
| 20:19.33 | Knight_Lord | In the good old days I would add it to the group that owns the network interface, but now I can't find the network interface device |
| 20:19.33 | holycow | bastille |
| 20:19.36 | holycow | htere we go :0 |
| 20:19.41 | holycow | thx for brainstorm |
| 20:19.49 | mancubus1 | Could you please tell how I may update source base? I'd like see sources of one plugin, but can't apt-get source plugin. |
| 20:19.51 | antgel | Knight_Lord: what are you trying to do? |
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| 20:20.01 | antgel | mancubus1: apt-get update |
| 20:20.02 | keith4 | what the hell happened? |
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| 20:20.08 | Knight_Lord | antgel: I want nagios to be able to bind to eth0 but right now i get permission denied |
| 20:20.21 | zinx | streun: how much what? better quality? the windows drivers produce all sorts of "comet" looking things on the image (spot w/ tail), due to presumably misguided image processing |
| 20:20.24 | mancubus1 | antgel, I made it. But sources still doesn't exist in base. |
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| 20:20.30 | Knight_Lord | antgel: I would like to do give write permission to nagios on eth0 |
| 20:20.34 | streuner | zinx: no, the webcam you have? |
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| 20:20.48 | magyar | how can i burn a dvd movie on linux, i have the "VIDEO_TS" folder? I tried K3B. If I drag the "VIDEO_TS" it is not playable |
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| 20:20.51 | zinx | streu: oh, it's a SQ905 based camera, and was free to me - costed someone some bottle caps though :P |
| 20:20.57 | antgel | mancubus1: what is the package you want to download the source for? |
| 20:21.14 | streuner | zinx: Does it have a name? |
| 20:21.20 | zinx | streuner: not really |
| 20:21.20 | mancubus1 | antgel, apt-get source pidgin-plugin-pack |
| 20:21.25 | streuner | zinx: haha |
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| 20:21.29 | antgel | Knight_Lord: what user is it running as? |
| 20:21.31 | Knight_Lord | antgel: i tried to search for /dev/eth0 but with this new udev stuff or something it doesn't seem to exist |
| 20:21.34 | zinx | streuner: it was distributed by Xoom Digital |
| 20:21.35 | mancubus1 | antgel, it's not in non-free branch |
| 20:21.39 | Knight_Lord | antgel: it runs as nagios |
| 20:21.46 | logd | hi, i made a boot cd to let my old sys boot from usb and it works fine but i would like to add an option to boot windows too which is in a fixed drive how do i? map and chanloaderdidn't helped much |
| 20:21.52 | zinx | streuner: i doubt there are even any SQ905 cams on the market that only do .1MP now, most do at least 640x480 now |
| 20:22.07 | antgel | mancubus1: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pidgin-plugin-pack.html |
| 20:22.33 | zinx | streuner: http://zinx.xmms.org/awfulcam/ |
| 20:22.38 | antgel | Knight_Lord: hmm, i got debian package of nagios to work with minimal fuss. did you read README.Debian? |
| 20:22.48 | mancubus1 | antgel, big thanks!! |
| 20:23.02 | Knight_Lord | antgel: it works for general things but it can't do dhcp checks |
| 20:23.07 | zinx | streuner: only one taken by the actual cam, and no windows images sadly |
| 20:23.39 | Knight_Lord | antgel: the dhcp plugin doesn't work without low level access to the network device because it has to fake a new IP request to check if the DHCP server works |
| 20:24.04 | antgel | Knight_Lord: makes sense. unfortunately out of my ballpark |
| 20:24.28 | Knight_Lord | antgel: ok thanks |
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| 20:25.31 | Knight_Lord | antgel: but i'll take a look at the readme in any case, good tip |
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| 20:26.46 | yos872 | Hi |
| 20:27.16 | yos872 | I have question, this is my packages list, saved on file http://pastebin.com/d41a3641f how can I install all of them in same time on another pc? |
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| 20:27.44 | stew | yos872: xargs aptitude install < thelist |
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| 20:28.15 | schoppen1auer | stew: thanks. it does boot now. it does some strange things (as i expected by an unstable kernel ^^) but so far nothing i couldnt fix myself. thank you. |
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| 20:30.45 | mifritscher | hi |
| 20:30.49 | yos872 | stew: thank you , it worked , But in the last , it gave error http://pastebin.com/d7c6697d7 in the line 21 |
| 20:30.58 | mifritscher | I've problems with apache 2.2 from etch |
| 20:31.00 | mifritscher | 2.2.3 |
| 20:31.17 | mifritscher | it crashes randomly if I activate outputhandler |
| 20:31.29 | mifritscher | both with mod_layout and externalhandler |
| 20:31.32 | mifritscher | ideas? |
| 20:31.33 | yos872 | mifritscher: what is the apache? I don't know it |
| 20:31.39 | wiebel | schoppenhauer, 2.6.22 is stable |
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| 20:31.48 | stew | yos872: oh, ok, run "aptitude install $(cat # |
| 20:31.56 | mifritscher | yos872, a http-server :) |
| 20:31.56 | stew | yos872: oh, ok, run "aptitude install $(cat thefile)" instead |
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| 20:32.54 | antgel | wiebel: not in /debian/ stable |
| 20:32.58 | wiebel | ack |
| 20:33.06 | yos872 | stew: thank you very much, now worked |
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| 20:34.09 | holycow | has anyone here run bastille then discovered that its preventing them from having their own .bashrc / .bash_profile? |
| 20:34.24 | holycow | just curious if there is an experienced correlation between the two |
| 20:34.33 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know how to change the permissions of eth0? |
| 20:34.33 | holycow | i saw nothing in bastille that would indicate this to be so |
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| 20:35.07 | stew | Knight_Lord: what do you mean? |
| 20:35.31 | Knight_Lord | stew: I want to give a user write permission to eth0. How can I do this? |
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| 20:35.44 | stew | Knight_Lord: to do what? |
| 20:36.23 | MangosDebian | stew: methinks promisc |
| 20:36.33 | Knight_Lord | stew: I want nagios to be able to do dhcp_check |
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| 20:36.41 | stew | oh raw sockets |
| 20:36.44 | Knight_Lord | yes |
| 20:36.50 | wiebel | Knight_Lord, you might want to look at wiresharks docu too |
| 20:36.50 | MangosDebian | ahh <1024 you mean? |
| 20:36.53 | stew | no |
| 20:36.58 | stew | MangosDebian: SOCK_RAW |
| 20:37.08 | MangosDebian | no idea |
| 20:37.18 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: i think raw socket is also needed |
| 20:37.18 | stew | last time i looked it required a kernel patch, but that was a long time ago |
| 20:37.30 | lindenle | anyone know what driver i need for intel 4965 AG, do I have to use ndiswrapper? |
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| 20:37.37 | Knight_Lord | stew: a kernel patch to change the permissions on eth0?!? |
| 20:37.57 | stew | Knight_Lord: yes |
| 20:38.14 | stew | Knight_Lord: root can use raw sockets but nobody else, afaik |
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| 20:38.23 | Knight_Lord | stew: You're mistaken |
| 20:38.35 | Knight_Lord | stew: anyone with write access to eth0 can use raw sockets |
| 20:38.45 | stew | ok |
| 20:39.01 | MangosDebian | actually, why doesnt eth devices have a /dev file? |
| 20:39.04 | stew | no |
| 20:39.10 | stew | oh, why doesn't |
| 20:39.19 | antgel | Knight_Lord: but ethernet interfaces are pretty much the only hardware to not appear in /dev |
| 20:39.29 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: because someone thought it was not a good idea |
| 20:39.33 | MangosDebian | ya, everything else has a file. seems like ppp/eth should as well |
| 20:39.41 | Knight_Lord | antgel: yea it's true |
| 20:39.46 | themill | lindenle: apparently the iwlwifi drivers will work for you but they are not yet packaged up for debian |
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| 20:40.03 | Knight_Lord | I think i found the solution but it's a bit cumbersome. It envolves editing the file with the persistant udev rule for eth0 |
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| 20:40.23 | stew | Knight_Lord: where did you find it? |
| 20:40.33 | Knight_Lord | something called /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules, very nice name if I may add |
| 20:40.35 | palestinian | now i get my in amsn green |
| 20:40.39 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: is raw sock a capability by chance? |
| 20:40.43 | palestinian | instead see the image of the webcam |
| 20:40.46 | palestinian | i see green |
| 20:40.51 | stew | Knight_Lord: that is just to rename interfaces at boot time, it has nothing to do with access to those interfaces |
| 20:40.53 | wiebel | but isnt't udev supposed to handle /dev which does not contain eth0 ? |
| 20:41.01 | Knight_Lord | I must confess the old chown user.group /dev/eth0 is much simpler |
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| 20:41.17 | Knight_Lord | stew: it does because it allows you to specify the group owner |
| 20:41.19 | stew | Knight_Lord: there is no such device, and i don't remember there ever being one |
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| 20:41.38 | Knight_Lord | stew: oh but there was :) |
| 20:41.39 | MangosDebian | !test |
| 20:41.39 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 20:41.51 | stew | Knight_Lord: it does? how do you specify the group owner? |
| 20:41.53 | Knight_Lord | stew: in 2.2 and 2.4 |
| 20:42.01 | Knight_Lord | http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#ownership |
| 20:42.15 | antgel | Knight_Lord: you /sure/? i don't remember it |
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| 20:42.24 | schoppenhauer | wiebel: since when? |
| 20:42.28 | Knight_Lord | antgel: i'm dead sure, I did it many times |
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| 20:42.40 | schoppenhauer | wiebel: it is the stable kernel release, but its not stable in debian ^^ |
| 20:42.42 | themill | lindenle: if you're feeling brave (I don't know how brave as I've not tried it myself) then you can try to do it yourself: http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=howto-iwlwifi |
| 20:42.51 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: could you find us a url to prove your right on that? |
| 20:42.53 | themill | lindenle: you would need a fairly recent kernel first though |
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| 20:43.12 | stew | Knight_Lord: where does that say you can control the 'ownership' of an ethernet device? |
| 20:43.20 | wiebel | schoppenhauer, oh yes exactly, i understood that you call the whole thing unstable, just a missunderstanding |
| 20:43.21 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: or at least the major minor of the device? |
| 20:43.21 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: http://www.redhat.com/archives/guinness-list/2002-October/msg00031.html |
| 20:43.27 | MangosDebian | ty |
| 20:43.30 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: is this ok? |
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| 20:43.38 | chops | Knight_Lord: Er |
| 20:43.44 | MangosDebian | sec, gotta open a putty to copy/paste urls |
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| 20:43.54 | chops | Knight_Lord: Your URL disagrees with you. "In many Unix operating systems the network devices have appearances in the /dev directory. This is not so in Linux." |
| 20:44.08 | Knight_Lord | chops: I must confess i didn't read it :) |
| 20:44.20 | antgel | !smite Knight_Lord |
| 20:44.30 | antgel | *smug* |
| 20:44.55 | Knight_Lord | I-ll get another reference |
| 20:44.56 | NetEcho | doesn't udev put them in /dev tho? |
| 20:45.12 | schoppenhauer | wiebel: ok. np. it works now. yeah. even ndiswrapper works correctly... even nvidia... it just has some problems with my encrypted swap atm and with my bluetooth-device (i didnt even *know* that i have a bluetooth-device ^^) - but i think i can solve this myself (tomorrow ^^). *likes it when things work*. good night and thank you all. |
| 20:45.20 | chops | Knight_Lord: Right then. "The sky is red!" "What? Since when?" "It says so right _here_." "No it doesn't. This says blue." "Oh well, I didn't read it." I'm going to stop listening to you now. |
| 20:45.22 | MangosDebian | well, it comes down to the major/minor, if they dont exist, a /dev/ is impossible |
| 20:45.41 | Peacimowen | Graphics problem.. I rebooted and my nvidia module cannot be found. It appears to still be installed, but I cannot get X to start (startx returns an error (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0). Can someone help me figure out what exactly is wrong? (As for what I did: the only thing I can think of is having done a full Update through aptitude.) |
| 20:45.56 | Knight_Lord | chops: i'm searching :) |
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| 20:46.57 | MangosDebian | well, how about this. who here knows anything about makeing kernel modules and does a module require a major/minor? or is it optional only for /dev enteries? |
| 20:46.58 | Knight_Lord | I'm pretty sure even in potato there was still /dev/eth0 |
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| 20:47.09 | antgel | Peacimowen: oh is that all, just a full system upgrade? :) rebuild your nvidia module against your new kernel |
| 20:47.38 | Peacimowen | I hate rebuilding that thing. |
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| 20:47.44 | Peacimowen | ok. |
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| 20:49.27 | stew | Knight_Lord: i don't believe linux has ever had one |
| 20:49.30 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: theres also this: http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2000102100106NWHLSW |
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| 20:50.19 | chops | MangosDebian: A major/minor is not necessary for every kernel module, no. |
| 20:50.19 | lindenle | themill: I have 2.6.21 |
| 20:50.40 | SiriusFR | I stayed in 2.6.18 :p |
| 20:50.57 | MangosDebian | chops: ok, then the next question would be, did the networking code ever have a major/minor? if not, /dev is impossible. make sense? |
| 20:51.01 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: alright I agree with yo |
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| 20:51.27 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: strange because I really did believe it existed |
| 20:51.27 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: go install woody and potato and let us know if you get a /dev/eth0 though |
| 20:51.28 | NetEcho | MangosDebian http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
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| 20:51.55 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: I guess not |
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| 20:52.08 | stew | NetEcho: what about it? |
| 20:52.10 | MangosDebian | NetEcho: what specifically am I looking at here? |
| 20:52.16 | NetEcho | doesn't udev do exactly that? |
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| 20:52.27 | stew | NetEcho: no, it does not create dev entries for eth0 |
| 20:52.29 | chops | MangosDebian: It did not exist in potato. I don't know about earlier but I highly doubt it. In other news, the sky is blue, and people in #debian are often knowledgeable about this Linux thing :-). |
| 20:52.33 | NetEcho | ah ok |
| 20:53.02 | MangosDebian | NetEcho: udev can only populate dev's that have the foundation and major/minor hooks in the kernel tree that are present in the system (well, unless configured otherwise perhaps?) |
| 20:53.17 | NetEcho | makes sense was worth a shot tho |
| 20:53.24 | stew | NetEcho: you can use udev to rename eth0 to some other name if you wish, but it doesn't create a /dev entry and more relevant to the goal here, doesn't let you alter who is able to use SOCK_RAW |
| 20:53.40 | chops | Is this an elaborate multi-troll scenario or something? How did such a multitude of people become convinced that something so palpably untrue was worth carefully evaluating the possibility of? |
| 20:53.47 | wiebel | ok i got a tough one, is it possible to use swsusp and encryptet swap at the same time ? |
| 20:54.06 | Lukemob | Hey. Where do I set dhcp info? |
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| 20:54.30 | abrotman | dhcpd or client ? |
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| 20:54.40 | Knight_Lord | I wonder how i'm gonna get udev to reload eth0 |
| 20:54.55 | stew | Knight_Lord: what do you mean by reload? |
| 20:54.59 | MangosDebian | isnt what he wants called capabilities? |
| 20:55.08 | Knight_Lord | stew: i changed the rules.d |
| 20:55.09 | Lukemob | abrotman, I've it already setted by installation... I need to change the address |
| 20:55.15 | Knight_Lord | stew: i want it to use the new rules |
| 20:55.18 | MangosDebian | !+listvalues capabilities |
| 20:55.18 | eurisko | can someone tell me what software is responsible with the activation of the special keys on the laptops (sound, brightness etc) ? |
| 20:55.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'capabilities' by value (15 of 17): aiglx ;; automatix ;; candy ;; diald ;; directx ;; edid ;; fcron ;; gtkpod ;; guppi ;; inkscape ;; outlook ;; rdram ;; swatch ;; tix ;; zerowing. |
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| 20:55.35 | abrotman | !tell Lukemob about interfaces |
| 20:55.44 | eurisko | is the ACPI support or other piece of software? |
| 20:55.48 | holycow | okay i have a plain debian vmware image that i use for deployment ... i just discovered on one install that users accounts can't have their own .bashrc and .bash_profile files, or rather their own profiels are not run |
| 20:56.00 | holycow | what controls this? under what circumstances would their profiles not be run? |
| 20:56.05 | wiebel | eurisko, hotkey-setup |
| 20:56.17 | abrotman | holycow: like in an xterm ? |
| 20:56.24 | antgel | holycow: how do they log in? are the permissions okay? |
| 20:56.27 | eurisko | tks wiebel |
| 20:56.38 | stew | Knight_Lord: you can rename eth0 to somethingelse by running "ip link set name somethingelse dev eth0" |
| 20:56.46 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: CAP_NET_RAW is what you want for nagios |
| 20:57.02 | holycow | yeah, i have one user loggin in to do some coding on a framework and although we give him access to pg via his profile it doesnt take until he does source .bash_profile |
| 20:57.09 | holycow | abrotman: yep |
| 20:57.15 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/capability.h |
| 20:57.19 | holycow | antgel: yeah perms look okay, ssh in normally |
| 20:57.22 | stew | MangosDebian: is that possible without a patch? |
| 20:57.28 | wiebel | Knight_Lord, i'g look at /usr/src/linux/Documentation... maby some parameter at load time may help |
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| 20:57.44 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: but I can run it with root |
| 20:58.06 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: just normal users can't |
| 20:58.22 | MangosDebian | stew: honestly, i don't know. its built into kernel, but as for changing it, I only know of grsec userland tools via grsec hooks. not sure if user land in general could set without suid and altered code |
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| 20:59.21 | logd | hi, i made a boot cd to let my old sys boot from usb and it works fine but i would like to add an option to boot windows too which is in a fixed drive how do i? map and chanloaderdidn't helped much |
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| 20:59.43 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: capabilities can be set via grsec if you just want to use it for that and avoid all the other stuff. root can only use raw sockets because of the CAP_NET_RAW actually now that i see it is just a cap. root has all cap's by default, grsec remove's them to make root a normal user. |
| 20:59.57 | stew | and grsec requires a kernel patch |
| 21:00.25 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: while grsec may be overboard, I don't know of any other way for a non root app to gain cap's unless theres some sudo like tool to do it |
| 21:00.31 | vorpal | Exists( HostAdapter.Type( 1394b ).Bus( PCIe ) ) ? |
| 21:00.43 | magyar | looking for a command "movie-to-dvd" which package will have it? |
| 21:00.55 | Knight_Lord | Of course I can just suid the script, that's true |
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| 21:01.31 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: thanks for the help |
| 21:01.32 | MangosDebian | stew: well ya grsec is a patch, but capabilities are standard since 2.4 and up iirc. http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/security/linux-privs/kernel-2.4/capfaq-0.2.txt |
| 21:02.08 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: you may want to check for sudo like too or google for capability linux and wrapper, bound to be something made already |
| 21:02.11 | wiebel | magyar, dvdstyler, dvdwizard, most basicly dvdauthor ... |
| 21:02.11 | vorpal | and know in english ;-) is there a 1394b <-> PCIe host adapter with linux support? |
| 21:02.15 | vorpal | now* |
| 21:02.50 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: i just dont know if cap's can be given or only set on themselves via root |
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| 21:03.39 | MangosDebian | grsec is by far the easiest. BUT, grsec and debian DONT get along. you must go vanilla kernel to get grsec debian patch to work even |
| 21:03.48 | wiebel | Knight_Lord, then you also can use root as nagios user, or assign the nagios user the root id in passwd |
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| 21:04.59 | Knight_Lord | wiebel: I set the script as suid made is 770 and made chmod it to root.nagios |
| 21:05.11 | holycow | actually here is the funny thing |
| 21:05.11 | Knight_Lord | And it works so I think it's good enough |
| 21:05.23 | wiebel | vorpal, if that is firewire, i'd expect almost every adapter to work |
| 21:05.32 | holycow | the .bashrc and profile files run when i su - to the account from root, but they don't run when the user ssh's directly into it |
| 21:05.46 | holycow | that narrows the issue down a little bit, thoughts? |
| 21:05.53 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: ya probably fine as long as nagios is secure by design |
| 21:06.09 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: as long as the script is secure |
| 21:06.21 | antgel | holycow: your sshd_config totally standard? |
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| 21:06.41 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: i just made running the script as suid not the entire nagios |
| 21:06.42 | holycow | antgel: *hmmm* good point, i removed root from login, let me check |
| 21:06.48 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: well, long as you have no local users you prbably be safe anyways. its only gathering statistics right? |
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| 21:07.24 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: I do have local users but no one dangerous |
| 21:07.31 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: fine, but does nagios know enough to drop root priv's after it gets its file descriptors and everything opened? |
| 21:08.03 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: I don't know |
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| 21:08.42 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: but I think the only thing with root permissions should be the process running the script |
| 21:08.54 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: nagios then just reads the output of the script |
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| 21:09.04 | logd | hi, i made a boot cd to let my old sys boot from usb and it works fine but i would like to add an option to boot windows too which is in a fixed drive how do i? map and chanloaderdidn't helped much |
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| 21:09.10 | Ronin | well that was fun |
| 21:09.12 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: but the script runs nagios as root right? |
| 21:09.17 | wiebel | Knight_Lord, it might be safer to tel the start_daemon to use root directly |
| 21:09.33 | MangosDebian | Ronin! |
| 21:09.42 | MangosDebian | WOW! |
| 21:09.50 | Knight_Lord | MangosDebian: no the script is launched from inside nagios to check if dhcp is running, it;s just a system("script") |
| 21:09.59 | magyar | wiebel: non of them have that comand |
| 21:10.03 | palestinian | someone can help me with my webcam plz?,i see everything gren |
| 21:10.05 | palestinian | egreen |
| 21:10.23 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: ahh ok |
| 21:10.57 | wiebel | magyar, ahh ok i didn't know that command actually exists, i thought you only want to make your point with it |
| 21:11.21 | magyar | dvdauthor needs that command to work |
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| 21:12.10 | oliver_g_ | hi |
| 21:12.32 | wiebel | magyar, in that case i would suspect transcode |
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| 21:12.44 | oliver_g_ | is there an easy way to get the debug symbols and source code for debugging an app under debian? |
| 21:12.54 | logd | <palestinian>what camera/driver ? u should be able to set color levels within the driver or v4l2 iface |
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| 21:13.07 | MangosDebian | oliver_g_: apt-get source <pkgname>? |
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| 21:13.19 | palestinian | logd, how? |
| 21:13.22 | wiebel | magyar, nope also not |
| 21:13.27 | palestinian | i have the driver installed logd |
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| 21:14.11 | DragonD | with ifconfig it shows RX bytes and TX bytes.. does that wrap back to zero? if so at how much? |
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| 21:14.24 | logd | palestinian> if the driver is spca or gspca u can set in /etc/modprobe.d/options |
| 21:14.30 | magyar | wiebel, videotrans seems to be in ubuntu |
| 21:14.35 | MangosDebian | DragonD: probably 32bit no? |
| 21:15.00 | palestinian | logd, te driver is ov51x-jpeg it worked |
| 21:15.01 | oliver_g_ | MangosDebian: sorry for sounding stupid; but after doing apt-get source audacious I still have to run configure; make; make install manually? |
| 21:15.04 | palestinian | but now i see all green |
| 21:15.11 | MangosDebian | actually, that is a tad small i would think :/ check the source i guess |
| 21:15.55 | DragonD | MangosDebian: so that about 4GB? |
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| 21:16.17 | MangosDebian | oliver_g_: well, i suppose you could do it manually. but you could just repackage it and edit the rules file to not strip debuging info is probably the preffered way |
| 21:16.17 | logd | <palestinian>u see all green just in kopete or all viewers ? |
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| 21:16.35 | palestinian | logd, in amsn and akiga |
| 21:16.38 | palestinian | ekiga |
| 21:16.53 | oliver_g_ | MangosDebian: what would be the easiest way to do the repackaging? |
| 21:17.06 | oliver_g_ | any links/howtos? :-) |
| 21:17.19 | MangosDebian | DragonD: well, its either going to be a 32bit or 64bit based on common sense. and 4gb seems way too low. im leaning towards 64bit. but i suppose you would best download ifconfig source or check kernel for the size |
| 21:17.23 | magyar | any clue why dvdauthor is released without a dependencie? |
| 21:17.46 | yos872 | I have question, when I make a command alias, after closing the terminal and open it again , the alias will not work, you need to make it again, how can I fix the alias to working always? |
| 21:17.48 | logd | palestinian, check http://www.rastageeks.org/ov51x-jpeg/index.php/FAQ |
| 21:18.04 | MangosDebian | oliver_g_: im sure dpkg bot here has a factoid that covers it. I could only refer you to the debian.org packaging howto's |
| 21:18.08 | palestinian | logd thxn |
| 21:18.09 | palestinian | thnx |
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| 21:19.31 | oliver_g_ | MangosDebian: thanks for the pointers, I'll have a look at the howtos |
| 21:19.51 | MangosDebian | oliver_g_: but if you apt-get source your package and go into the debian/ dir and look at the rules file, one of the rules should strip the debug info. just comment that and rebuild. i forget the exact command though. someone here should know it though. its a one liner. i recall running debian/rules directly, but i think thats the wrong way |
| 21:20.06 | MangosDebian | gus, how to rebuild a package debian way? |
| 21:20.44 | MangosDebian | !build package |
| 21:20.44 | dpkg | from memory, build package is 'dpkg-buildpackage' or 'apt-get -b source <pkg>' |
| 21:21.16 | MangosDebian | oliver_g_: try the dpkg-buildpackage command after you edit the rules file I would think |
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| 21:21.27 | DragonD | Anyone know of a deamon that will monitor bandwidth and make graphs/reports that are viewable via html or apache? |
| 21:21.30 | omar | anyone using AppArmor ? |
| 21:21.55 | MangosDebian | DragonD: actually, the nagios question earlier does just that iirc |
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| 21:22.31 | oliver_g_ | MangosDebian: cool, didn't notice the debian/ dir at first |
| 21:22.37 | MangosDebian | Knight_Lord: got time explain if im right on that to DragonD plz |
| 21:22.39 | mystic_pinguin | Hello |
| 21:22.43 | xingu | MangosDebian, DragonD: ...src/linux/include/net/snmp.h: struct ipstats_mib: unsigned long mibs[IPSTATS_MIB_MAX]; |
| 21:22.50 | MangosDebian | xingu: ty |
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| 21:22.59 | xingu | MangosDebian, DragonD: iotw platform dependant; 64bit arch, 64bit counter... |
| 21:23.02 | oliver_g_ | I'll look into dpkg-buildpackage... should be a good anchor for googling |
| 21:23.08 | MangosDebian | xingu: kinda figured 32bit was waaay too small |
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| 21:23.40 | xingu | MangosDebian, DragonD: however there's already patches around on the back of the 64bit (on 32bit arch) timer work to give you 64bit counters |
| 21:23.53 | palestinian | logd with force_palette=13 it dont work still |
| 21:23.54 | xingu | MangosDebian: yes; 10GE makes a mockery of a 32bit counter. |
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| 21:24.19 | MangosDebian | xingu: even 10mbit does if you copy 1 dvd iso ;) |
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| 21:24.40 | xingu | MangosDebian: yes but 10GE can do it between polls. |
| 21:24.44 | MangosDebian | lol |
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| 21:25.10 | Lukemob | thx abrotman |
| 21:25.49 | MangosDebian | :( |
| 21:26.04 | MangosDebian | don't make me go fiber! |
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| 21:27.51 | MangosDebian | if only i had a use for even gigabit. ssh isnt exactly very demanding |
| 21:27.52 | xingu | MangosDebian: there's a spec for 10000baseT |
| 21:27.52 | palestinian | v4l is ok for webcam? |
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| 21:28.54 | xingu | MangosDebian: mpeg4 transport streams? :) even 10G is a bit narrow |
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| 21:30.12 | MangosDebian | xingu: i dont use my server for media though. too slow for anything fancy and only 128mb 750mhz |
| 21:30.22 | abrotman | MangosDebian: you could just transfer files for fun ? |
| 21:30.30 | MangosDebian | more of a beefy router than anywthing |
| 21:30.54 | xingu | MangosDebian: storage traffic? at 10GE serialisation delay is fast enough to do a passable job at tunnelling SCSI |
| 21:31.07 | MangosDebian | abrotman: nah, irc is already my "fun" when it comes to linux |
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| 21:31.31 | abrotman | MangosDebian: remind me to tell you about the birds and bees some day ... |
| 21:31.43 | MangosDebian | xingu: i push backups too it. but they don't take long to begin with. |
| 21:31.59 | MangosDebian | abrotman: lol, why would birds and bee's play together? ;) |
| 21:32.19 | abrotman | MangosDebian: everything has to eat |
| 21:32.34 | xingu | MangosDebian: no, as in running client -> ethernet -> server -> sata -> disk |
| 21:32.45 | MangosDebian | abrotman: besides, im only here until my mouse gets enough of a charge to actualy use my main machine then im off to get some gaming in :) |
| 21:32.53 | abrotman | that's sad |
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| 21:33.12 | SiriusFR | Anyone passed onto Compiz Fusion without problem (Etch) ? |
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| 21:33.48 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 21:34.01 | MangosDebian | xingu: as in a diskless wks? |
| 21:34.04 | pingouin_ | TrueDD: salut mais on parle anglais ici ;) |
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| 21:34.08 | xingu | MangosDebian: yup. |
| 21:34.12 | Lukemob | !tell Lukemob about static route |
| 21:34.34 | MangosDebian | xingu: its a windows box though. i just use samba as I need it. no need to get fancy for 2 old machines |
| 21:34.35 | Lukemob | !tell Lukemob about dns |
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| 21:36.32 | TrueDD | pingouin, I know, excuse me, in general, I add "hi all", but I've been interrupted |
| 21:36.59 | pingouin_ | TrueDD: no problem ;) i'm not channel operator ;) |
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| 21:37.06 | pingouin_ | TrueDD: hey by the way, where you from ? |
| 21:37.17 | MangosDebian | pingouin_: a/s/l? |
| 21:37.30 | TrueDD | pingouin, I'm from france |
| 21:37.36 | TrueDD | Paris |
| 21:37.49 | pingouin_ | TrueDD: damn i hate Paris ;) |
| 21:37.51 | MangosDebian | TrueDD! bonjuer (spelling?) |
| 21:38.04 | antgel | MangosDebian: #debian-bad-fr :) |
| 21:38.08 | MangosDebian | lol |
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| 21:38.13 | TrueDD | MangosDebian, Bonjour |
| 21:38.15 | pingouin_ | ah ah ah |
| 21:38.18 | MangosDebian | ahhh |
| 21:38.22 | TrueDD | :) |
| 21:38.34 | pingouin_ | TrueDD: i'm from Lille, but i work in Paris :/ |
| 21:38.40 | MangosDebian | sorry, my french is limited to phonetics only |
| 21:38.46 | TrueDD | pingouin, you hate Paris ? |
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| 21:39.05 | pingouin_ | TrueDD: yeah, i'm a plouc ;) |
| 21:39.16 | pingouin_ | and i love my area ;) |
| 21:39.22 | TrueDD | MangosDebian, exactly like my english ;) |
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| 21:39.32 | MangosDebian | heh, im canadian. i have grown used to it on my cerial boxes :) |
| 21:39.44 | pingouin_ | nice place to learn french ;) |
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| 21:40.19 | protoloco | Hey |
| 21:40.21 | TrueDD | pingouin, ;) |
| 21:40.28 | protoloco | to search packages in apt-get ? |
| 21:40.50 | pingouin_ | protoloco: apt-cache search thenameofpackage |
| 21:40.52 | TrueDD | protoloco, apt-cache search |
| 21:40.58 | MangosDebian | pingouin_: well, in canada french is mandatory you know. just how far depends on what province |
| 21:41.19 | pingouin_ | MangosDebian: i know, i went to Montreal few years ago |
| 21:41.40 | MangosDebian | pingouin_: oh god, they must have really drilled it into you then :) |
| 21:41.40 | pingouin_ | MangosDebian: but that's not french ;) that's canadian's french ;) |
| 21:42.02 | MangosDebian | its still french. diff accent perhaps |
| 21:42.17 | pingouin_ | MangosDebian: yeah, immigration push me out ;) |
| 21:42.18 | MangosDebian | same as redneck english and english no? :) |
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| 21:43.19 | MangosDebian | actually, i love southern accents in a women. something about them *drool* |
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| 21:43.36 | antgel | the looseness? |
| 21:43.48 | streuner | sure, that's the most important part of them :-P |
| 21:43.54 | antgel | just from what i hear, you understand :) |
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| 21:44.05 | MangosDebian | not sure how to describe it. not sure what part of the "south" im refering to either so |
| 21:44.15 | MangosDebian | streuner: :) |
| 21:44.34 | mgn | As far as I know it took etch approx. 3 years to become stable. Is it likely that the same is the case with Lenny?? |
| 21:44.50 | pingouin_ | mgn: so ? |
| 21:44.54 | MangosDebian | not hillbilly south, but maybe montana or so? |
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| 21:45.00 | antgel | mgn: who knows |
| 21:45.28 | mgn | pingouin_: Just wondering if the time for lenny going to be stable will also 3 years... |
| 21:45.33 | streuner | RM had a vision, every year to release, but its hard to relizes |
| 21:45.45 | streuner | realizes* |
| 21:45.50 | antgel | unless they compromise on quality :D |
| 21:45.53 | pingouin_ | mgn: you can run plenty of linux distro, if you want you can use them, if you dont like the way Debian issue his release |
| 21:46.19 | mgn | pingouin_: Relax. I like the debian way. It was merely a question. |
| 21:46.36 | pingouin_ | msn: i'm relax ;) |
| 21:46.43 | pingouin_ | msn: but...it's debian... |
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| 21:46.51 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
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| 21:47.34 | pingouin_ | msn: but you can also run lenny now i guess |
| 21:47.34 | Supaplex | mgn: testing is like a rolling "RC" of debian, but more accurately, testing is as stable as most other distros releases. |
| 21:47.45 | pingouin_ | msn: dont wait for it to be stable |
| 21:48.05 | mystic_pinguin | i'm sorry the question buti finish to install the nvidia drivers and it is working well just ... the colors is oneproblems the menus colors don come and dont lets me put the colors in 32 bits :x |
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| 21:48.15 | mystic_pinguin | any idea how can i resolve this? : |
| 21:48.16 | mystic_pinguin | :x |
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| 21:48.31 | mgn | pingouin_: hehe;) Yeah I know about lenny. But i'm not upgrading for a while yet. |
| 21:49.11 | pingouin_ | mgn: make your mind, Etch/lenny/Sid ;) |
| 21:49.28 | mgn | Supaplex: Thats also what I've heard. But since etch have been stable for only 4 months I'm going to hold on to Etch. |
| 21:49.31 | pingouin_ | mystic_pinguin: which nvidia driver ? |
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| 21:49.47 | mystic_pinguin | pingouin_ the last |
| 21:49.47 | mgn | pingouin_: Etch it is. ;) |
| 21:49.57 | andrewspriggs | Is there a way to find out how many .deb packages there are...like an estimation? |
| 21:50.04 | pingouin_ | mystic_pinguin: you mean the driver from nvidia.com ? |
| 21:50.08 | mystic_pinguin | 100.14.11 |
| 21:50.11 | pingouin_ | ok |
| 21:50.15 | mystic_pinguin | yes this driver |
| 21:50.36 | mikefoo | ampex: well I just need a working web/db so Im not sure what is needed to have those working.. |
| 21:50.39 | pingouin_ | mystic_pinguin: what is your graphic card ? |
| 21:50.47 | mystic_pinguin | because this graphix lets i have 32 bits but when i use the 24 colors my colors are really nathing :x |
| 21:50.55 | mikefoo | Ok need some help. I have a webserver thats old ands to be migrated. Lots of custom software. So I need to rsync if possible everything over.. what should I exclude, when I rsync? Anyone have an idea? |
| 21:50.57 | mystic_pinguin | to low .... to low i cant see the brown in the menus |
| 21:50.58 | antgel | andrewspriggs: untested - aptitude search . |wc -l |
| 21:51.17 | mystic_pinguin | pingouin_ Nvidia GeForce 8600 |
| 21:51.20 | antgel | 20824 on my box with marillat and a couple from s.d.n |
| 21:51.29 | krazykit | mystic_pinguin, er... 24 bits in Xorg is the same as 32 bits in windows. |
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| 21:51.44 | mystic_pinguin | krazykit you shure about that? |
| 21:51.51 | antgel | mikefoo: what do you mean "custom software"? |
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| 21:51.56 | pingouin_ | mystic_pinguin: when you say the 'menu colors'..you mean in the nvidia-setting ? |
| 21:52.06 | krazykit | mystic_pinguin, pretty sure. as i recally, it's 24 bits of color + 8 alpha bits. windows combines that. |
| 21:52.09 | andrewspriggs | antgel: I'm not too sure, but would that only keep track of packages that you have repositories for? |
| 21:52.13 | glguy | Could someone direct me to the right docs for configuring an SSL enabled smarthost for exim4? (ideally debian specific) |
| 21:52.22 | antgel | andrewspriggs: yeah, my sources.list |
| 21:52.24 | mystic_pinguin | krazykit i can run the 24 in xorg.conf but i cant see the brown ... color in the menu themes :x gorillaz-mistic |
| 21:52.31 | glguy | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config doesn't seem to handle SSL |
| 21:52.47 | mystic_pinguin | pingouin_ no the theme i ussually use the background image dont have the right colors |
| 21:52.48 | krazykit | mystic_pinguin, i seriously doubt that's a problem with your drivers. |
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| 21:53.17 | mystic_pinguin | krazykit probably :X i dont know how to resolveit im here for 3-5 hours try to resolve it llol |
| 21:53.59 | krazykit | mystic_pinguin, maybe your monitor's settings are just wrong. |
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| 21:54.07 | MangosDebian | mystic_pinguin: what resolution and memory size of your vid card? (although I am not sure if X would even start if it didnt has enough ram for the default resolution) |
| 21:54.23 | mystic_pinguin | MangosDebian 1440x900 |
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| 21:54.35 | pingouin_ | mystic_pinguin: the color of your background image as change ? but...why ? you just install this 8600 graphic card ? |
| 21:54.43 | MangosDebian | mystic_pinguin: that was a 2 part question btw :) |
| 21:54.45 | mystic_pinguin | krazykit i havemonitor settings? :x |
| 21:54.49 | pingouin_ | mystic_pinguin: the monitor ? |
| 21:55.15 | mystic_pinguin | ermmm ... the images dont have good color :x is like they are working in one low color |
| 21:55.24 | krazykit | mystic_pinguin, er... or are you on a laptop? |
| 21:55.36 | mystic_pinguin | krazykit yes that it :x |
| 21:55.53 | MangosDebian | mystic_pinguin: and....? |
| 21:56.19 | mystic_pinguin | MangosDebian and im try to resolve this ... trust me it really are giving bad colors and image :x |
| 21:56.35 | MangosDebian | mystic_pinguin: I asked 2 questions, you only answered 1. |
| 21:56.56 | pingouin_ | mystic_pinguin: maybe your screen is near to dead... |
| 21:56.57 | mystic_pinguin | MangosDebian what the 2º? |
| 21:57.23 | MangosDebian | mystic_pinguin: reread what i asked, all will become clear |
| 21:57.39 | mystic_pinguin | pingouin_ nera to death how like this ?! this is new and in windows really have great colors ... nathing todo ... i got one low grafic card in this one and have bether colors thta what i havein linux in thelaptop |
| 21:58.05 | mystic_pinguin | MangosDebian 1440x900 256 mb |
| 21:58.10 | pingouin_ | mystic_pinguin: i was just wondering ;) |
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| 21:58.16 | MangosDebian | mystic_pinguin: there you go :) thanks |
| 21:58.17 | mystic_pinguin | PCI Express Nvidia GeForce 8600 GT 256MB |
| 21:58.19 | mystic_pinguin | :) |
| 21:58.57 | MangosDebian | mystic_pinguin: laptops built in vid cards are PCIe's? |
| 21:59.10 | krazykit | MangosDebian, yep, they can be |
| 21:59.30 | mystic_pinguin | MangosDebian my graphic card is :x |
| 21:59.31 | MangosDebian | wow, thats gotta run some heat and power usage in batter mode |
| 22:00.01 | mystic_pinguin | is working just not working nathing well :x |
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| 22:00.12 | MangosDebian | never have owned a laptop, never will (until the fine line between them and desktop is blurred beyond recognition) |
| 22:01.32 | mystic_pinguin | hummm i think the monitor refresh is not well set :x |
| 22:01.42 | peterS | MangosDebian: the line will never blur in terms of a usable keyboard and mouse, I suspect. unless you want to buy a laptop then plug a regular USB keyboard and mouse into it |
| 22:02.03 | holycow | okay i tink i figured out why environment variables arent run for this user that logs in via ssh |
| 22:02.15 | holycow | seems to be their shell is not a login shell. how do you set a login shell? |
| 22:02.29 | peterS | holycow: 'UseLogin yes' is one way. in sshd_config |
| 22:02.30 | MangosDebian | peterS: you would think so. but really its up to governments and computer manufacturers to decide i think |
| 22:02.37 | gnube | holycow |
| 22:02.44 | holycow | peterS, aha! |
| 22:02.50 | peterS | MangosDebian: well, you can't fit a decent-sized keyboard into the form factor that laptop users demand |
| 22:02.58 | holycow | hallo gnube |
| 22:03.03 | gnube | holycow: You can tell them just to type 'bash' or whatever shell they want at the prompg once they are in. |
| 22:03.05 | peterS | holycow: that's rather indirect, but probably will work |
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| 22:03.14 | MangosDebian | peterS: true |
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| 22:03.25 | holycow | gnube, *nod* gotcha right |
| 22:03.26 | gnube | sorry, sed s/prompg/prompt/ |
| 22:03.34 | MangosDebian | peterS: who knows what sort of future input devices we will have done the road though |
| 22:03.41 | peterS | MangosDebian: and nobody's invented a usable mouse of any sort, built into a chassis. though I don't really mind trackballs. |
| 22:03.46 | karsten | MangosDebian: rttys. |
| 22:03.48 | gnube | Although if they get a promg it should work to. =D |
| 22:04.01 | MangosDebian | karsten: r? |
| 22:04.11 | gnube | peters Have you tried Apple's new mouse? |
| 22:04.13 | peterS | in fact my main mouse is a trackball. but a detached one, not one built into a laptop. |
| 22:04.17 | karsten | MangosDebian: Well, after qttys. |
| 22:04.23 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 22:04.24 | gnube | Oh, you mean a built-in thingy, you are right. |
| 22:04.29 | karsten | MangosDebian: q == p++ |
| 22:04.35 | gnube | they suck |
| 22:04.39 | peterS | gnube: you mean the trackpads on recent mac laptops? I think I tried one a couple weeks ago, it felt just like any other trackpad, i.e., crappy |
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| 22:05.02 | gnube | peteres: Yeah, you're right. I was thinking of the new mice. |
| 22:05.02 | MangosDebian | karsten: what is it though? remote tty or something? or was that just some witty joke? :/ |
| 22:05.27 | karsten | MangosDebian: Why, thank you for appreciating my arcane and subtle style of humor. |
| 22:05.47 | MangosDebian | karsten: heh, well ill admit it was rather clever ;) |
| 22:06.27 | mystic_pinguin | no not the refressh something is roung here |
| 22:06.50 | MangosDebian | karsten: why do I get the feeling in 10 years were going to look back on this chat and laugh about qtty's making it into the kernel |
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| 22:08.25 | lindenle | Hi I have a new x61s and the brightness buttons do not seem to work? ANy advice? |
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| 22:14.26 | holycow | hmmm ... seeting the ssh to use login seems correct but that still doesn't work ... what is supposed to check of .bash_profile or .bashrc exist? |
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| 22:18.38 | Knight_Lord | holycow: for that the user has to run bash |
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| 22:19.07 | Knight_Lord | holycow: that is usually define in the passwd file |
| 22:19.13 | holycow | okay so no ssh user can ever have access to environment vqariables that might be suefull? |
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| 22:19.33 | holycow | ah lets google that |
| 22:19.38 | Knight_Lord | holycow: are the users running bash or what shell? |
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| 22:19.47 | holycow | default debian, yup bash |
| 22:19.58 | Knight_Lord | holycow: login in from ssh or not should be irrelevant |
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| 22:20.23 | holycow | well the weird thing is i can su - from root to that user, and the exported paths are used |
| 22:20.40 | holycow | when i log in via ssh, they aren't, and as per peters suggestion i turn on uselogin in sshd config file |
| 22:20.58 | holycow | i assumed that would of been true in deed, it shouldn't matter *hmm* |
| 22:21.07 | Knight_Lord | holycow: where are those paths defined? |
| 22:21.49 | holycow | well i at frist exported in root account ... then tried to put them in the .bashrc and .bash_profile files which just don't get called via ssh login |
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| 22:22.07 | datadr|nker | what is the best filesystem to share space between Windows and Debian? |
| 22:22.10 | themill | holycow: is the user's shell bash? |
| 22:22.19 | Knight_Lord | holycow: which .bashrc? |
| 22:22.20 | holycow | well sh technically |
| 22:22.20 | datadr|nker | i need a FS that had read/write in both windows vista and debian etch |
| 22:22.23 | Zeroth404 | where is the gentoo equivalent of /etc/conf.d on gentoo? (particularly, /etc/conf.d/net) |
| 22:22.32 | Knight_Lord | holycow: what do you tecnically? |
| 22:22.43 | antgel | Zeroth404: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:22.45 | krazykit | datadr|nker, fat32 is the simplest to set up. dunno if the ext2 driver works in vista yet. |
| 22:22.46 | holycow | which .bashrc returns nothing |
| 22:22.58 | datadr|nker | krazy thanks bud |
| 22:23.01 | holycow | Knight_Lord, sorry rephrase? |
| 22:23.02 | Knight_Lord | holycow: i mean where is the .bashrc? |
| 22:23.08 | holycow | it ~; |
| 22:23.12 | holycow | errr ~/ even |
| 22:23.16 | Knight_Lord | holycow: of the users |
| 22:23.22 | holycow | right |
| 22:23.36 | Knight_Lord | holycow: if they source it after they login does that work? |
| 22:23.39 | themill | holycow: sh != bash.... sh might be dash... |
| 22:23.42 | holycow | oh totally |
| 22:23.43 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 22:23.56 | Knight_Lord | as in ssh server. source .bashrc |
| 22:24.05 | holycow | themill, well i'm running debian 4.0, not ubuntu ... |
| 22:24.21 | Knight_Lord | holycow: so sourcing works? |
| 22:24.31 | holycow | oh yeah totally |
| 22:24.50 | themill | holycow: there are lots of ppl running debian with sh=dash. I can't say I even knew that was the default for ubuntu as I pay little attention to them. |
| 22:24.55 | holycow | just doublechecked, yeah thats whats burning my noodle righ tnow |
| 22:24.56 | themill | does bash source .bashrc if invoked as sh? |
| 22:24.57 | Knight_Lord | holycow: check if changing /etc/profile works |
| 22:25.07 | holycow | themill, really? interesting |
| 22:25.13 | holycow | Knight_Lord, k |
| 22:25.24 | themill | holycow: check man bash |
| 22:25.51 | themill | holycow: --norc: This option is on by default if the shell is invoked as sh. |
| 22:25.57 | mystic_pinguin | MangosDebian , pingouin_ any ideia? :X |
| 22:26.27 | pingouin_ | absolutly none.... |
| 22:26.29 | holycow | themill, been reading it yes, what it doesn't say is WHAT actually checks for either of those files in ~/ i'm wondering if its suppressed somehow via ssh ... although uselogin is set in ssh conf file |
| 22:26.30 | Knight_Lord | holycow: if that works simply use ~/.profile instead of bashrc |
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| 22:26.59 | Knight_Lord | holycow: .profile should always work |
| 22:27.08 | antgel | holycow: just a thought - if you ssh into other boxen, it's okay? |
| 22:27.22 | holycow | antgel, let me check |
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| 22:28.20 | themill | holycow: if invoked as bash it looks for .bashrc files, if invoked as sh then it doesn't. If your passwd file says that $SHELL=/bin/sh then it's invoked as sh not bash. Sorry,.... maybe I'm being thick here, but doesn't that solve it for you... chsh ? |
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| 22:28.52 | Knight_Lord | holycow: you have 2 solutions. Either move your ~/.bash_rc to ~/,profile or change your passwd entry and replace /bin/sh with /bin/bash |
| 22:28.58 | holycow | themill, not worries at all, it really is baking my noodle .. thats interesting |
| 22:29.13 | holycow | aha! wow weird, let me try that then |
| 22:29.27 | Knight_Lord | holycow: in debian root has shell bash but most other users have shell /bin/sh |
| 22:29.33 | themill | Knight_Lord: the .bashrc and the .bash_profile (.profile) are intended for different uses. |
| 22:29.50 | themill | Knight_Lord: (interactive vs non-interactive shells) |
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| 22:30.04 | Knight_Lord | But this is all for interactive things |
| 22:30.14 | Knight_Lord | and I don't think there is a sh replacement for bashrc |
| 22:30.23 | holycow | oh no bloody way! |
| 22:30.24 | themill | nod |
| 22:30.31 | holycow | jesus that was it!!!! |
| 22:30.33 | Knight_Lord | holycow: it works right |
| 22:30.36 | holycow | heh thanks a lot dudes! |
| 22:30.38 | holycow | yeah it does |
| 22:30.52 | Knight_Lord | holycow: if you want to use the bashrc then you have to change the passwd entry |
| 22:30.53 | holycow | wow, so sh doesn't automatically check for that ... wow it totally didn't google that |
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| 22:31.17 | Knight_Lord | holycow: because even thought it has a symlink it checks for argument 0 |
| 22:31.19 | holycow | thanks to everyone that helped on this, there is like 12 of you i want to thank |
| 22:31.24 | holycow | wow that was a bit esoteric |
| 22:31.38 | Knight_Lord | :) |
| 22:31.44 | holycow | Knight_Lord, right i'm going to dig deeper into this to learn more indepth |
| 22:31.44 | antgel | #d - a beautiful thing |
| 22:31.52 | holycow | myh thanks to all! |
| 22:32.03 | Knight_Lord | you're welcome |
| 22:32.09 | themill | holycow: when you ask bash to be sh it does some funny things on you. BTW you'll find the same if you ask vim to be vi ..... |
| 22:32.23 | grendal_prime | ok any box should be able to use the vesa driver for x right? |
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| 22:32.36 | holycow | themill, well now having bit in the ass, i most certainly will remember that! |
| 22:32.38 | holycow | holymoly |
| 22:32.53 | krazykit | grendal_prime, pretty much, yeah |
| 22:33.42 | glguy | could someone tell me what package provides /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ |
| 22:33.44 | grendal_prime | even an nVidia Corporation C51 [Geforce 6150 Go] |
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| 22:34.02 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 22:34.18 | cafuego | glguy: You can. dpkg -S /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ |
| 22:34.35 | krazykit | grendal_prime, yeah, it ought to support vesa. maybe not at a very, very high resolution, but something decent |
| 22:34.58 | glguy | cafuego: that would only work if I already had that directory? |
| 22:35.00 | Knight_Lord | holycow: actually I think the exact replacement of bashrc is .login and not .profile |
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| 22:35.12 | Knight_Lord | holycow: the difference is this interactive versus non interactive |
| 22:35.26 | themill | !tell glguy about search |
| 22:35.40 | Knight_Lord | holycow: but it probably doesn't make a difference to you |
| 22:35.49 | holycow | not right now |
| 22:36.10 | holycow | i have one coder that just needs a decent way to access a few resources, i will be learning more about this indepth |
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| 22:36.31 | glguy | themill: apt-file search doesn't work on directories? |
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| 22:37.03 | themill | glguy: should do |
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| 22:37.22 | glguy | my mistake,forgot a step |
| 22:37.24 | themill | glguy: it should match all the files in all the packages that are in that directory |
| 22:37.32 | themill | glguy: apt-file update? |
| 22:37.34 | glguy | :) |
| 22:37.48 | grendal_prime | krazykit: i get a blank screen and a locked up computer. |
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| 22:38.27 | grendal_prime | i cant even log into it from somewhere else, its really lockified up. |
| 22:39.03 | Knight_Lord | holycow: what i said about .login is a lie, sorry :) |
| 22:39.32 | Knight_Lord | holycow: confusion with csh |
| 22:39.46 | holycow | no prob :) |
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| 22:40.04 | holycow | appreciate the doublecheck will save me a bit of scratchin my head |
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| 22:41.16 | krazykit | grendal_prime, sounds like a pretty bad bug then eh |
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| 22:42.30 | themill | grendal_prime: do you get any warnings or errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 22:44.22 | simonrvn | themill: dude got his php script going finally |
| 22:44.54 | andrewspriggs | Is there a place that keeps track of all .deb packages (from official or well-known repos) across the distros that use them for a count of how many debs there are? |
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| 22:46.38 | themill | simonrvn: hey... good stuff. how horrible did it get? |
| 22:46.41 | simonrvn | well each deb is a package, and each machine has databases of what they are, number, etc., but per machine. would be pretty simple but time consuming to tally them |
| 22:46.57 | simonrvn | themill: he got it done in under an hour |
| 22:47.05 | simonrvn | so not bad at all |
| 22:47.18 | themill | andrewspriggs: popcon keeps track of official debian packages |
| 22:47.31 | simonrvn | !debstats sid |
| 22:48.00 | simonrvn | hmm |
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| 22:48.21 | themill | simonrvn: debstats is just a reply not a command, it seems |
| 22:48.26 | simonrvn | !dstats sid |
| 22:48.31 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 21280 packages, 1865 maintainers, 50958 MB installed size, 17446 MB compressed size. |
| 22:48.42 | themill | !debstats |
| 22:48.42 | dpkg | from memory, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 22:48.58 | simonrvn | the dstats was what i was looking for ;) |
| 22:49.03 | simonrvn | !dstats etch |
| 22:49.07 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18601 packages, 1728 maintainers, 41697 MB installed size, 13733 MB compressed size. |
| 22:49.13 | themill | and of course abrotman leads debstats for #debian :) |
| 22:49.25 | antgel | fuck me, 10G more in sid |
| 22:49.32 | simonrvn | i haven't been there in months |
| 22:49.48 | abrotman | themill: ? |
| 22:49.58 | themill | abrotman: ^^ debstats |
| 22:50.04 | antgel | it was seeing my name high up once, that led me to irc less :) |
| 22:50.07 | abrotman | themill: okay .. and ? |
| 22:50.19 | themill | no surprises to find you on the top of the list ;) |
| 22:50.25 | andrewspriggs | ok, thanks |
| 22:50.26 | antgel | fuck, i'm still 24th |
| 22:50.26 | abrotman | not my fault you're all slackers! |
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| 22:50.36 | themill | :) |
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| 22:50.38 | simonrvn | i used to be in the top 15 heh |
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| 22:51.03 | antgel | abrotman: we both have a romanian flag-type usage pattern |
| 22:51.13 | Gnurdux | im upgrading testing for the first time in a while, and it wants to remove modutils |
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| 22:51.39 | themill | hmmm.... I obviously type long lines as my chars/line is well above average. Maybe I should start using Enter instead of punctuation to bring that down.... *ducks* |
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| 22:51.56 | antgel | !kill themill |
| 22:52.10 | themill | I love petermc's last line.... |
| 22:52.33 | antgel | oddly, i was just looking at that as well |
| 22:52.59 | sputnick | hi there. I have remove all the files & folders under /etc/apache2. i have do an "apt-get remove --purge apache2 & reinstall" but unfortunately the files is not regenerated . is there any solution ? |
| 22:53.00 | abrotman | antgel: ? |
| 22:53.18 | antgel | abrotman: you only shouted 13% OF THE TIME! |
| 22:53.32 | abrotman | not MY fault |
| 22:53.50 | antgel | stoned wrote the shortest lines |
| 22:54.09 | abrotman | and talks to himself a lot .. go figure |
| 22:54.12 | simonrvn | !nuke themill |
| 22:54.30 | themill | simonrvn: ? |
| 22:54.42 | themill | simonrvn: just cos I left you with a steaming pile of php.... |
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| 22:54.49 | simonrvn | hehehehe petemc iZ t3h funn4y |
| 22:55.02 | abrotman | haha .. nyle and stoned are the top cursing people |
| 22:55.05 | antgel | i came 32nd in the year 2005, 2006 i'm not on the radar |
| 22:55.06 | grendal_prime | themill: ya werid...i mean it just toatally lockifys..im looking at log now |
| 22:55.08 | simonrvn | themill: no for the using enter as punctuation |
| 22:55.19 | antgel | !seen Phated |
| 22:55.19 | dpkg | phated <n=phated@unaffiliated/phated> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 215d 23h 16m 18s ago, saying: 'So... yeah, I'm self-kicking now because I'm offtopic.'. |
| 22:55.27 | abrotman | antgel: now dwu |
| 22:55.45 | antgel | dwu? |
| 22:55.51 | abrotman | /whois dwu |
| 22:56.19 | grendal_prime | weird |
| 22:56.26 | grendal_prime | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! |
| 22:56.26 | antgel | ah, thought it was an abbreviation |
| 22:56.31 | simonrvn | themill: don't worry sooner (or later) you'll get to do the same to me ;) |
| 22:56.38 | themill | :) |
| 22:56.59 | abrotman | grendal_prime: where'd your nvidia.ko go ? |
| 22:57.12 | grendal_prime | didnt even know i had one |
| 22:57.15 | themill | grendal_prime: aren't you trying to use the vesa driver? |
| 22:57.19 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 22:57.39 | themill | grendal_prime: probably time to pastebin your xorg.conf then :) |
| 22:58.01 | simonrvn | http://myoldmac.net/webse-e-flash.htm |
| 22:58.21 | simonrvn | for those who haven't ever seen system 7 ^^^ |
| 22:58.46 | antgel | mac users are basically cunts |
| 22:58.55 | antgel | er, ;) |
| 22:58.57 | NicNac | lol |
| 22:59.19 | themill | but it doesn't come with resedit so you can hack around with the resources fork until things start working properly.... |
| 22:59.22 | NicNac | quick before the mac users get the pitch forks! |
| 22:59.55 | themill | good to see eudora comes with binhex rather than mime as the default... (bloody binhex) |
| 23:00.00 | abrotman | simonrvn: thanks a bunch .. i've been trying to purge that for years |
| 23:00.04 | simonrvn | oh yeh, right, as if there haven't been any windows or linux zealots ;) |
| 23:00.37 | simonrvn | abrotman: you're welcome. now you can gouge your eyes out |
| 23:00.45 | grendal_prime | i dont think that error is the right one |
| 23:00.46 | themill | love the picture of peter norton |
| 23:00.59 | abrotman | simonrvn: heh |
| 23:01.26 | abrotman | antgel: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/08/06/thai.hello.kitty.ap/index.html |
| 23:01.36 | simonrvn | antgel: i have to find a decent ide drive for my wife, she finally agreed to let me install debian on her box |
| 23:01.39 | abrotman | i think simon already saw that |
| 23:01.41 | antgel | simonrvn: yeah, but we don't go on about being alternative by buying the same shit hardware as every wannabe trendy idiot, and contributing to a massive corporation |
| 23:01.47 | antgel | simonrvn: no hard feelings :D |
| 23:02.09 | simonrvn | antgel: i've never bought one in my life ;). go bitch to someone who has ;) |
| 23:02.29 | antgel | simonrvn: thought you are an ardent member of the church |
| 23:02.52 | simonrvn | nope. i like them sure, but the hardware mostly |
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| 23:03.42 | NicNac | I always wanted one of those mac's with everything built into the monitor |
| 23:03.54 | simonrvn | all-in-one machines |
| 23:04.14 | NicNac | I'm not sure why thought |
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| 23:04.17 | NicNac | err though |
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| 23:04.52 | carl | how does one write the if statement "if varA is not "" and varB is "" then..."? |
| 23:04.52 | simonrvn | heheh that's funny |
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| 23:05.11 | themill | carl: what language.... |
| 23:05.21 | carl | themill bash, sorry |
| 23:05.26 | antgel | modula-2? |
| 23:06.04 | lindenle | anyone know how to biuld the latest alsa drivers in a nioce way on debian? |
| 23:06.27 | abrotman | m-a a-i alsa |
| 23:06.56 | lindenle | abrotman: will that get the latest ones? |
| 23:07.04 | abrotman | the latest in debian |
| 23:07.08 | abrotman | antgel: am i ? |
| 23:07.11 | antgel | http://www.last.fm/group/Debian+Linux |
| 23:07.16 | lindenle | abrotman: and those are? |
| 23:07.17 | stew | carl: if [ ! -z "$varA" -a -z "$varB" ]; then dosomething; fi |
| 23:07.23 | stew | carl: 'man [' |
| 23:07.34 | abrotman | !info alsa-source etch |
| 23:07.35 | antgel | abrotman: nah, you're in no groups |
| 23:07.35 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA driver sources), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.13-5 (etch), Packaged size: 2479 kB, Installed size: 2532 kB |
| 23:07.40 | carl | stew thanks |
| 23:08.04 | lindenle | abrotman: bummer :( |
| 23:08.09 | abrotman | indeed! |
| 23:08.12 | abrotman | check backports.org |
| 23:08.13 | themill | carl: there's a couple of ways it's often done. You'll often also see string comparisons as you described: "$A" = "" sort of things |
| 23:08.16 | lindenle | abrotman: I need the hg tree for my x61 :( |
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| 23:08.48 | themill | carl: sometimes horrible things like "x$A" = "x" even to get around shell quoting rules. |
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| 23:09.08 | abrotman | lindenle: so get it and install it yourself |
| 23:09.09 | lindenle | abrotman: will do |
| 23:09.15 | stew | carl: actually '! -z "$varA"' should be '-n "$varA"' |
| 23:09.21 | lindenle | abrotman: tried that and had some weird trouble |
| 23:09.29 | abrotman | and then you'd ask #alsa |
| 23:09.53 | lindenle | abrotman: good point |
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| 23:10.25 | carl | stew themill thanks both. I was looking for the "and" format, i appreciate the help, very much |
| 23:11.12 | RichiH | is there any way to try and clear my swap, i.e. move all stuff back to ram? or will linux do that automagically? |
| 23:11.14 | themill | carl: np. if your shell doesn't like man [ then man test also works. |
| 23:11.23 | abrotman | RichiH: automagic |
| 23:11.27 | themill | carl: or google "bash test" |
| 23:11.27 | RichiH | bleh |
| 23:11.49 | abrotman | RichiH: i guess you could turn swapoff :) |
| 23:12.01 | themill | RichiH: swap prefetch patch is in -mm |
| 23:12.19 | resistance | i have a local debian box into whch i've installed apache2. I also have a internet sharing gatewa, also debian. the LAN where my apache2 server is on is 192.168.0.0, my debian gateway's external address is 192.168.1.0 because I have another router after my debian box because i have a different lan on the 192.168.1.0 side. I cannot get my apache2 to work with i type http://192.168.0.14 into the browser and i know it's listening because i ca |
| 23:12.19 | resistance | n telnet into it |
| 23:12.20 | stew | if someone is running a shell that doesn't allow "man [" id be happy to help uninstall that shell |
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| 23:12.32 | resistance | can anyone help my with this problem |
| 23:12.51 | themill | RichiH: whether it gets merged or not is unknown: http://kerneltrap.org/node/11748 |
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| 23:13.09 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.24 | KrisWood | Hello everyone, I've got a stupid question for you all! (just what you wanted I'm sure!) Where can I find a guide for setting up my network on Debian |
| 23:13.36 | simonrvn | stew: seems dash, zsh, and bash handle it ok |
| 23:13.48 | abrotman | KrisWood: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 23:13.52 | stew | simonrvn: and fish |
| 23:13.56 | themill | stew: :) |
| 23:13.58 | simonrvn | stew: bash and zsh didn't used to (i tried this 2 years ago) |
| 23:14.01 | antgel | KrisWood: i see you pre-empted a flaming. just /msg dpkg smite me :) |
| 23:14.31 | themill | stew: yes, I remember bash not liking it which is why I mentioned it. Unbalanced [ bollox. Seems OK now though. |
| 23:14.32 | abrotman | antgel: you didn't like the hello kitty link ? :) |
| 23:14.39 | KrisWood | heh thanks |
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| 23:14.53 | RichiH | themill: do i guess correctly that it will try and see what swap i will need next and load that into ram while i am still workig on other stuff? |
| 23:14.53 | stew | ok, i'm not going to install tcsh just so i can smite it |
| 23:14.54 | antgel | abrotman: yeah, it was amusing, /lastlog kitty |
| 23:15.01 | simonrvn | afk for a bit, need to get some food |
| 23:15.11 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:15.22 | simonrvn | stew: leaving it uninstalled is enough ;) |
| 23:15.26 | stew | posh works |
| 23:15.51 | YGingras_ | Is there a relevant place where I should post this? http://ygingras.net/b/2007/8/emacs-22-on-debian-etch |
| 23:15.58 | simonrvn | posh and dash are meant as /bin/sh shells IIRC |
| 23:16.12 | abrotman | YGingras_: that seems like a good place :) |
| 23:16.21 | themill | RichiH: no, it tries to randomly load stuff back into ram if there is spare ram. I don't think it's smart about it. |
| 23:16.25 | abrotman | YGingras_: maybe send it to the debian-users list |
| 23:16.31 | simonrvn | YGingras_: as a factoid too? |
| 23:16.40 | RichiH | themill: oh, ok |
| 23:16.45 | stew | simonrvn: yes, dash is meant to be "stripped down and fast /bin/sh" and posh is meant to be "use me to make sure you are posix compliant" aiui |
| 23:16.53 | RichiH | anything that makes the pain once you dip into swap go away faster would be great |
| 23:16.54 | simonrvn | !etch emacs22 is <reply>http://ygingras.net/b/2007/8/emacs-22-on-debian-etch |
| 23:16.55 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
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| 23:17.02 | simonrvn | stew: yeh that's it |
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| 23:17.08 | abrotman | RichiH: turn it off .. then turn it back on |
| 23:17.14 | themill | RichiH: those who use it say it's good though. I've never tried it. |
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| 23:17.50 | YGingras_ | simonrvn: good idea |
| 23:17.57 | RichiH | alindeman: it complains it can't allocate enough memmory |
| 23:18.00 | YGingras_ | abrotman: I'll do that |
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| 23:18.10 | simonrvn | YGingras_: ^^^ ;) |
| 23:18.11 | alindeman | RichiH: Oh? |
| 23:18.21 | abrotman | alindeman: i think that was for me |
| 23:18.26 | RichiH | alindeman: erm, sorry |
| 23:18.28 | resistance | is there a way to get debian to do an error check on it's file system |
| 23:18.29 | RichiH | abrotman: ^ |
| 23:18.34 | RichiH | hmm, brb |
| 23:18.39 | abrotman | resistance: touch /forcefsck |
| 23:18.55 | abrotman | resistance: erm .. and then reboot :) |
| 23:19.03 | abrotman | details details ... |
| 23:19.11 | abrotman | RichiH: is there enough memory ? |
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| 23:19.46 | resistance | i'm scarted to reboot because then everything goed haywire, my networking wont start up it bitches at sendmail errors |
| 23:19.53 | resistance | scared |
| 23:20.00 | resistance | and i'm remotly connected |
| 23:20.20 | resistance | i'm not even using sendmail |
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| 23:20.26 | resistance | why would there be a problem |
| 23:20.31 | RockerMONO | hey... is their any known reason why Iceweasel crashes if you leave it open for about ~an hour |
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| 23:21.29 | SiriusFR | RockerMONO: Mine is open since this morning already... and nothing to declare... |
| 23:21.31 | resistance | i have to manually go in and do ifup eth0 to get my networking up |
| 23:21.31 | abrotman | RockerMONO: flash is usually a good reason |
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| 23:21.50 | SiriusFR | Ah yeah, Flash is the best way to crash. |
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| 23:21.57 | KrisWood | ok sorry to bother you all again, but /msg dpkg interfaces didn't really have the information I was looking for (at least not presented in a complete noob friendly format). Can anyone point me to an idiot's guide to where to stick IP address, gateway, and dns info so my debian box can connect to the net? :-/ |
| 23:22.07 | RockerMONO | abrotman: yea that's probably it, had a band site open and it's based purely on flash =p |
| 23:22.10 | havocologe | how to get python from 2.4.1 to 2.4.4 |
| 23:22.22 | dvs | KrisWood: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:22.24 | antgel | KrisWood: man interfaces |
| 23:22.29 | antgel | !tell KrisWood about grounding |
| 23:22.33 | antgel | !tell KrisWood about reference |
| 23:22.33 | KrisWood | I did man interfaces |
| 23:22.45 | antgel | KrisWood: see you in a year when you've read all that :) |
| 23:22.54 | KrisWood | lol thanks :p |
| 23:23.09 | RockerMONO | heh |
| 23:23.15 | RockerMONO | pshh |
| 23:23.17 | RockerMONO | just go with a router xD |
| 23:23.34 | KrisWood | nah, my ubuntu box is my router, this is for a game server |
| 23:23.34 | KrisWood | :D |
| 23:23.39 | snowbird | how i get flash? |
| 23:23.40 | RockerMONO | ah |
| 23:23.48 | datadr|nker | what the fuck why would anyone run ubuntu |
| 23:23.53 | RockerMONO | snowbird: should have flash?... |
| 23:24.11 | RockerMONO | snowbird: my install already had flash |
| 23:24.13 | elventails | can anyone help with this error, i'm trying to install php5-apc, any clues? php5-apc: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.3-0.dotdeb.1) but 5.2.3-1+b1 is to be installed |
| 23:24.20 | snowbird | yeah i don't i had flas program close and said need flash |
| 23:24.25 | KrisWood | it's simple and easy, that's why :) |
| 23:24.32 | abrotman | KrisWood: man 5 interfaces .. read the whole thing |
| 23:24.33 | RockerMONO | snowbird: in Iceweasel? |
| 23:24.36 | snowbird | how i check rocker? |
| 23:24.40 | antgel | elements: yeah, get rid of the non-debian repos in your sources.list |
| 23:24.45 | snowbird | yes rockermono |
| 23:24.55 | KrisWood | ok next stupid question, how do I get to the next page in a man page? :-/ |
| 23:24.58 | themill | elventails: see antgel's comment ^^ |
| 23:25.02 | RockerMONO | snowbird: um... open Iceweasel and go to http://defaultonline.com if you hear their music you have flash =p |
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| 23:25.14 | antgel | themill: ta :) |
| 23:25.20 | KrisWood | ah, it's just slow |
| 23:25.27 | KrisWood | damn vmware! |
| 23:25.40 | SiriusFR | x |
| 23:25.41 | elventails | themill: i'd love to - where is it? |
| 23:25.58 | elventails | themill: antgel> elements: yeah, get rid of the non-debian repos in your sources.list ? |
| 23:26.26 | antgel | hmm, using irssi here, e l <tab> completes to elements, weird |
| 23:26.38 | snowbird | tell u after alsa conf |
| 23:26.54 | themill | elventails: yes |
| 23:26.56 | abrotman | KrisWood: hit spacebar ? |
| 23:27.18 | elventails | themill: it doesn't work :( I get the same error - should I uninstall the php5 packages first? any clues? |
| 23:27.56 | themill | elventails: you might need do. I've not played with the dotdeb repos. Start including other repos and start living the fedora pain.... |
| 23:28.22 | elventails | themill: how could I know which repos to include in order to have php5-apc? |
| 23:28.34 | havocologe | is there a way to update my python2.4.1 to python2.4.4 ? |
| 23:30.18 | themill | elventails: you should be able to install it from pecl fairly easily with vanilla debian php |
| 23:30.31 | grendal_prime | ok this thing is aparently crashing so hard and fast it is not writing anything to the Xorg.log file. |
| 23:31.15 | themill | elventails: google is your friend. "php debian apc" gives me this which looks fairly plausible: http://baheyeldin.com/technology/linux/installing-php-apc-on-ubuntu-dapper-and-debian.html |
| 23:31.22 | snowbird | rocker need flas |
| 23:31.35 | elventails | themill: thanks i'll try that |
| 23:31.35 | RockerMONO | snowbird: hm... ooh |
| 23:31.41 | snowbird | how do i gt also to rember my settings still a bug? |
| 23:31.51 | RockerMONO | snowbird: does it say "blah blah blah you need to install a plugin"? |
| 23:32.12 | snowbird | big black screen |
| 23:32.14 | snowbird | no sound |
| 23:32.33 | RockerMONO | snowbird: i'm talking the little bar at the top, right above the page |
| 23:33.13 | RockerMONO | snowbird: should have a little yellow-ish bar saying "You need a plugin to view all the content on this page [ Install Plugin ]" or somethin of the sort |
| 23:33.28 | grendal_prime | its still reporting some sort of problem with an nvidia module, and there is absolutly no reference to the invidia module in the xorg.conf |
| 23:33.33 | snowbird | now works how i make ice wesel default |
| 23:33.42 | RockerMONO | snowbird: it wasn't default?? |
| 23:33.49 | snowbird | no |
| 23:33.56 | RockerMONO | snowbird: one moment :) |
| 23:34.00 | snowbird | kk |
| 23:34.08 | themill | snowbird: either with update-alternatives or in your prefs for your window manager |
| 23:34.24 | snowbird | il set it pref |
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| 23:35.32 | RockerMONO | snowbird: in Iceweasel: edit -> preferences -> "Main" -> "Check Now" [under System Defaults] might work |
| 23:35.39 | snowbird | yeah done i got eror |
| 23:35.47 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.59 | RockerMONO | hm |
| 23:36.04 | snowbird | il get it |
| 23:36.27 | themill | snowbird: gnome? kde? |
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| 23:36.43 | snowbird | kde |
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| 23:37.10 | RoLanDo_MoTa | someone speak spanish ? |
| 23:37.13 | themill | you can try update-alternatives then to change it system wide |
| 23:37.20 | themill | snowbird: ^^ |
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| 23:37.33 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.37 | snowbird | here error |
| 23:37.40 | snowbird | KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/kppp'. |
| 23:37.49 | snowbird | its kde |
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| 23:38.03 | themill | snowbird: or you can change it for your used under kcontrolcentre -> KDE components -> Component chooser -> Web browser. |
| 23:38.19 | snowbird | i cnahed it |
| 23:38.23 | trasto | anyone has installed debian on a macbook ? |
| 23:38.32 | trasto | i have problems with refit |
| 23:38.36 | snowbird | i ahve error loading kde shortkuts |
| 23:38.43 | SiriusFR | Anyone have already install Solaris over an installation of a GNU/Linux ? |
| 23:39.35 | trasto | apt-get install refit --> couldn't find package refit ... ???????????? |
| 23:39.38 | snowbird | the mil u know this error? |
| 23:39.55 | snowbird | KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/kppp'. |
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| 23:40.09 | snowbird | errro also also wont save my settings |
| 23:40.40 | abrotman | SiriusFR: #solaris |
| 23:40.56 | SiriusFR | abrotman: Ah yes, it means to be a good idea. xD |
| 23:40.56 | abrotman | !info refit etch |
| 23:41.01 | dpkg | refit: (graphical bootloader for EFI-based ia32 systems), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.7-3 (etch), Packaged size: 75 kB, Installed size: 256 kB |
| 23:41.06 | abrotman | trasto: which artitecture ? |
| 23:41.10 | abrotman | architecture |
| 23:41.13 | trasto | amd64 |
| 23:41.22 | trasto | macbook |
| 23:41.24 | abrotman | it's i386 only |
| 23:41.27 | trasto | core2duo |
| 23:41.34 | trasto | that's the problem |
| 23:41.37 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:41.55 | trasto | but on wiki they don't say that |
| 23:42.02 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=refit |
| 23:42.11 | trasto | they sasy to download amd64 |
| 23:42.24 | abrotman | okay .. it's not in debian though |
| 23:42.32 | trasto | i need debian for i386 |
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| 23:42.50 | abrotman | !d-i trasto |
| 23:42.50 | dpkg | trasto, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:43.18 | trasto | k thx |
| 23:43.45 | grendal_prime | this is rediculas |
| 23:43.54 | snowbird | rokoman any idea on that error? |
| 23:44.54 | abrotman | grendal_prime: check to make sure it's using the right conf file (should be at the top) |
| 23:45.08 | abrotman | grendal_prime: then paste your X conf file so we can see it |
| 23:45.28 | grendal_prime | pastbin.org? |
| 23:45.33 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:45.34 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 23:46.48 | snowbird | if i use shell it works |
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| 23:47.40 | grendal_prime | this last time i got an error about the user not being alowed to launch X and the Xconfigureation.conf is unreadable..or some werid thing like that...it went black right after i read it. |
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| 23:48.19 | snowbird | themill, how i make also hold |
| 23:48.26 | snowbird | and fix me error |
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| 23:49.53 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:49.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:49.57 | grendal_prime | http://paste.debian.net/34139 |
| 23:50.18 | abrotman | grendal_prime: vga isn't a driver |
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| 23:50.30 | abrotman | nice try though |
| 23:51.15 | grendal_prime | it does the same thing with vesa |
| 23:51.20 | dvs | grendal_prime: and no need for a BusId |
| 23:51.29 | abrotman | unless it's powerpc |
| 23:51.40 | grendal_prime | and i actually had it working at one point with the vga option...wich i thought was kinda strange |
| 23:52.04 | abrotman | then show us your log |
| 23:52.06 | grendal_prime | ok well would you suggest i try the nvida route? |
| 23:52.28 | grendal_prime | ok ill upload the log |
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| 23:52.48 | grendal_prime | do you think im making this up or something? |
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| 23:53.32 | abrotman | grendal_prime: yes |
| 23:53.39 | Toyd | Read this sentence: FINISHED FILES ARE THE RESULT OF YEARS OF SCIENTIFIC STUDY COMBINED WITH THE EXPERIENCE OF YEARS. and tell me how many F's you see in it? |
| 23:53.51 | abrotman | go away |
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| 23:54.38 | zmitya | hi all |
| 23:54.53 | grendal_prime | abrotman: ? why would i do that? |
| 23:55.01 | grendal_prime | http://paste.debian.net/34140 |
| 23:55.20 | zmitya | can i have a newbie question about c++ ? |
| 23:55.28 | Toyd | ##linux had 5 guesses and 1 right answer and windows 1 guess and 1 right answer can ##debian take the lead |
| 23:55.33 | abrotman | grendal_prime: Munchausen syndrome |
| 23:55.39 | abrotman | Toyd: go away .. no one cares |
| 23:55.49 | zmitya | how can i write n bytes to std::cout when i have a variable with more than n bytes ? |
| 23:55.52 | Toyd | ok debian 0 guesses |
| 23:55.54 | abrotman | zmitya: yes . .but there's also ##c++ |
| 23:55.56 | Toyd | ty abrotman |
| 23:56.04 | grendal_prime | that is the log that seems to not be getting updated..it was the last time i tried to start x with the nvidia driver |
| 23:56.05 | dkr | Toyd: are you taking a survey of how many people yuo can annoy today in all the channels? ;) |
| 23:56.09 | Toyd | debian loses to ##windows and ##linux |
| 23:56.11 | eldowan | is there an ogg -> mp3 conversion process that preserves metadata? |
| 23:56.12 | Toyd | lmao |
| 23:56.14 | snowbird | love this spot |
| 23:56.25 | snowbird | is there a patch to make also hold? |
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| 23:57.06 | zmitya | ok, thx |
| 23:57.30 | Toyd | lol @ dkr |
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| 23:58.32 | simonrvn | abrotman: is there a mp3-> or vice versa factoid? we get asked this so many times... |
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| 23:58.37 | abrotman | grendal_prime: fix your driver |
| 23:58.57 | abrotman | simonrvn: yeah .. and we always tell them mp3->ogg is bad .. lossy to lossy == SUCK |
| 23:59.06 | Toyd | alexander does debian have a live cd for me to try? |
| 23:59.10 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 23:59.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 23:59.15 | Toyd | k ty |
| 23:59.16 | simonrvn | eldowan: got that? |
| 23:59.30 | johncasdfas | anyone have a recommended ISP for dedicated debian servers? |
| 23:59.40 | abrotman | eldowan: that said .. there is a #theora that might know more |
| 23:59.45 | simonrvn | 127.0.0.1 |