| 00:00.04 | axos88 | exercise a bug? |
| 00:01.04 | pipegeek | stoned: :^) sorry |
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| 00:02.35 | MangosDebian | karsten: zomg! don't do it! |
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| 00:02.45 | Folko | Is there any way to force a disconnect of an USB device? |
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| 00:03.43 | mick_home | Folko: you mean to kill a process that is accessing the usb device? (to take it out in a clean fashion?) |
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| 00:04.18 | chlue | just an ooc question. Why is the debhelper-bot constantly changing the user limit. Precautions against some kind of attack? |
| 00:04.21 | Folko | mick_home: I unlplugged an USB device and now the whole USB stack crashed, e.g. lsusb locks up and can't even be killed. |
| 00:04.36 | MangosDebian | chlue: yes |
| 00:04.51 | pipegeek | ta |
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| 00:05.13 | MangosDebian | at least it was until the new rules for floods were implemented I believe. left over I guess |
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| 00:05.43 | MangosDebian | although that still doesn |
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| 00:06.07 | MangosDebian | although that still doesn't stop a few hundred bots from slowly joining the channels over time and causing havoc |
| 00:07.23 | mick_home | Folko: i'd just restart |
| 00:07.41 | Folko | mick_home: That's not possible for the next few days |
| 00:07.49 | mick_home | ah ok |
| 00:08.02 | mick_home | i figured it would just be easier than futzing w/ it |
| 00:08.07 | chlue | MangosDebian: thanks for the explantation |
| 00:08.29 | Folko | We're using a one time password system for hard disk encryption that requires two people to enter the password |
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| 00:17.39 | *** topic/#debian is ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new testing! | /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 00:17.54 | karsten | MangosDebian: Prior system it was installed on crashed randomly. These are 4 GB sticks. With a full complement of 2 GB RAM, the other system is stable (all slots exercised). |
| 00:17.59 | karsten | MangosDebian: Yeah. That didn't do it. |
| 00:18.24 | MangosDebian | karsten: hard drive issue perhaps? |
| 00:18.26 | karsten | date |
| 00:18.32 | karsten | Feh. |
| 00:18.34 | somian[0] | karsten ;-). hello there. |
| 00:18.43 | karsten | somian[0]: You answering my "date"? ;-) |
| 00:18.45 | peterS | Thu Jul 26 19:18:45 CDT 2007 |
| 00:19.03 | somian[0] | karsten: depends, r u haWt? <LOL> |
| 00:19.27 | somian[0] | Heh. Anyway, naw, just saying hi :) |
| 00:19.29 | peterS | karsten: yeah but note the lag. could get annoying to try to get work done, certain times of day when I'm afk |
| 00:19.30 | karsten | somian[0]: i am *teh* hawt. |
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| 00:19.36 | somian[0] | true LOL |
| 00:19.40 | Baktaah | is there a lib/firmware folder in debian? |
| 00:19.53 | peterS | Baktaah: if you install certain packages, there is |
| 00:20.07 | Baktaah | peterS what packags? |
| 00:20.09 | Baktaah | packages |
| 00:20.16 | peterS | Baktaah: namely, packages that provide firmware. generally these are in non-free as manufacturers often don't provide source code |
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| 00:20.48 | peterS | and reverse engineering non-free firmware to write a free replacement, with source code, is Really Hard |
| 00:21.00 | Baktaah | well I need to use a firmwire, and dunno how to |
| 00:21.07 | MangosDebian | peterS: ahhh, gotta love non-free. the "just run this code on your boxen, trust us </grin>" branch |
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| 00:21.22 | ampex2 | how does aptitude differ from apt-get? |
| 00:21.32 | peterS | MangosDebian: no, more like "no need to trust us, we don't know what's in there either, you have to trust the upstream vendor" |
| 00:21.41 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 00:21.45 | peterS | ampex2: lots more features, and dependency resolution is somewhat more sophisticated |
| 00:21.52 | somian[0] | All the trouble is the punishment users get for not selecting their products with GNU/Linux support in mind (Baktaah) |
| 00:22.04 | Baktaah | somian[0] I bought a laptop |
| 00:22.21 | Baktaah | somian[0] that is HIGH END..... |
| 00:22.34 | somian[0] | So did i, and i'm running GNU/Linux, and madwifi supports it. So ... what was your point? |
| 00:23.02 | Baktaah | mine is better then yours (no point) |
| 00:23.17 | somian[0] | I don't mean to sound like I'm gloating ;) |
| 00:23.27 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.40 | karsten | Still 38 GB free. |
| 00:23.46 | peterS | I do wish the wireless chipset vendors would quit trying to make excuses for non-free driver components. we don't buy the bull about FCC regs. |
| 00:23.46 | MangosDebian | karsten: :) turn off your swap |
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| 00:23.59 | karsten | 567 0 0 37662932 717372 12198832 0 0 0 2017 1252 1682 79 21 0 0 |
| 00:24.03 | karsten | MangosDebian: It's not being hit at all. |
| 00:24.29 | MangosDebian | karsten: not yet at least |
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| 00:25.14 | karsten | Load's 598 |
| 00:26.01 | MangosDebian | karsten: toss in a fork bomb or two :) |
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| 00:26.40 | karsten | MangosDebian: Fork bombs don't hit RAM. |
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| 00:27.00 | MangosDebian | karsten: they do, just more cpu |
| 00:27.04 | karsten | MangosDebian: The objective is to hammer the box *sensibly*, not senselessly. |
| 00:27.11 | karsten | Yeah, I actually need some CPU here. |
| 00:27.34 | MangosDebian | karsten: then renice the fork bomb. do i have to think of everything here? lol |
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| 00:29.25 | grilled-cheese | does anybody know why i would get permission denied trying to apt-get a source package? |
| 00:30.10 | MangosDebian | grilled-cheese: hmmm, kinda generic. little more info? are you root for starters? |
| 00:30.14 | peterS | grilled-cheese: what command are you running? if it is 'apt-get source', you need to be in a directory which is writable by your current user, as that is where it will want to dump the source |
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| 00:30.22 | mick_home | directory permission error? |
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| 00:30.53 | grilled-cheese | http://pastebin.ca/635344 |
| 00:31.41 | MangosDebian | http:// with an ftp url? |
| 00:31.56 | grilled-cheese | ah |
| 00:32.06 | MangosDebian | s/url/dns/ |
| 00:32.07 | grilled-cheese | it was the current directory permission |
| 00:33.34 | grilled-cheese | thanks |
| 00:33.37 | grilled-cheese | horay netsplit! |
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| 00:33.49 | grilled-cheese | horay netsplit! |
| 00:33.49 | MangosDebian | grilled-cheese: its always the simple stuff like file permissions that get ya |
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| 00:33.49 | grilled-cheese | yeah |
| 00:33.50 | grilled-cheese | i didn't realize the source went to current directory |
| 00:33.51 | karsten | .. catches MangosDebian and sticks a fok in him. |
| 00:34.07 | MangosDebian | karsten: did you fbomb it? |
| 00:34.36 | PlItS | Hi to all .. any one can tell me a website where i can read more regarding recompiling the kernel i have to recompile it with a diferent option |
| 00:34.43 | Spyro_boy | hello |
| 00:34.53 | Spyro_boy | anyone familiar with virtualization and amd64 cores? |
| 00:36.22 | PlItS | !tell PlItS kernel |
| 00:36.40 | PlItS | !tell PlItS kernel-package |
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| 00:37.23 | MangosDebian | PlItS: wiki.debian.org/BuildYourOwnKernel might help as well if dpkg didnt already mention it |
| 00:38.14 | karsten | MangosDebian: No, just kicked off my 32 builds |
| 00:38.39 | PlItS | MangosDebian: Thnx for the tip |
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| 00:38.53 | MangosDebian | karsten: ahh ok. was worried you messed your test cause the the fork suggestion or something |
| 00:39.26 | karsten | MangosDebian: No, just took a while to get everything set up. The box is remote anyhow (well, in a different room). |
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| 00:39.43 | MangosDebian | karsten: how many cpu's? |
| 00:39.53 | karsten | MangosDebian: 2 slots, 4 cores total. |
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| 00:40.34 | MangosDebian | karsten: ever considered just dd a 64gig file and vim it a few times? |
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| 00:41.34 | karsten | http://paste.debian.net/33491 |
| 00:41.44 | karsten | MangosDebian: We want dynamic stress |
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| 00:42.34 | MangosDebian | well, you cant get much more dynamic and real world than the kernel compiles I guess |
| 00:43.06 | MangosDebian | just not sure if your ever gonna max the ram instead of the cpu's with kernel compile |
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| 00:45.45 | [GNU]Order | I plan on setting up a small gentoo system on my swap space so I can wipe out redhat and install debian on a network server, does the minimal CD have everything I need to copy across and set up enough to install the rest from ftp? |
| 00:46.42 | centrx | yes |
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| 00:46.55 | ricky | [GNU]Order: Yup :) |
| 00:46.56 | centrx | In fact, you can install off 2 floppy disks if you want |
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| 00:47.08 | ricky | Or a USB stick. |
| 00:47.22 | ricky | Or you can use debootstrap and probably avoid the problem altogether. |
| 00:47.23 | MangosDebian | [GNU]Order: are you going to boot the cd? or you wish to debootstrap from withining gentoo or something odd? |
| 00:47.39 | [GNU]Order | ricky: Thanks, I'll look for the usb stick image. |
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| 00:47.55 | [GNU]Order | MangosDebian: I plan on mounting the CD with a loop device from gentoo. |
| 00:48.07 | [GNU]Order | CD image |
| 00:48.37 | MangosDebian | [GNU]Order: well, technically everything is there. but some stuff may be inside udeb's and thus a tad tricky to get at without some experience |
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| 00:49.58 | [GNU]Order | MangosDebian: I think I can get that done but to save hassle, I'll look into the USB stick first. Or I may burn the CD here and boot it, then copy off what I need. |
| 00:50.48 | MangosDebian | [GNU]Order: burning+boot is probably going to be the easiest for you. unless your a real wiz with cli's and debian |
| 00:51.08 | [GNU]Order | ok, the business card doesn't sound like something I can use. No base system. |
| 00:51.24 | MangosDebian | no, its all from ftp/http |
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| 00:52.03 | karsten | MangosDebian: I can max CPU with just a few kernel builds. It's the many builds that I'm hoping will tax RAM. |
| 00:52.03 | MangosDebian | peterS: marcuss... |
| 00:52.17 | [GNU]Order | MangosDebian: Yea, I think I'll just burn the CD here. Save me installing more stuff in gentoo. |
| 00:52.51 | peterS | marcuss: please turn off your auto-away notification script. we have 700 people in here, if everyone used one of those, it would be a pretty huge amount of noise. |
| 00:53.05 | karsten | OK, actual builds are starting to start... |
| 00:53.22 | MangosDebian | karsten: i know what you mean. Im just thinking that even if you loaded 32 copies of the entire kernel tree in ram, you still be short of 64gig. seems like a fancy fork bomb. considered a 60gig'ish ram drive and some heavy fs stress? |
| 00:53.40 | karsten | MangosDebian: It's about 1.5GB per build |
| 00:54.06 | PlItS | This is damn to complicated i need to read a lot ... is there another way to load windows drivers for wireles cards except using ndiswrapper ? |
| 00:54.08 | karsten | MangosDebian: 32 builds puts me at about 48 GB, so that's a start. I may try to find a KDE tree to build or something though. |
| 00:54.37 | karsten | Problem is I need something that's both really large, and sufficiently robust that it will build reliablly. I don't want to be debugging the build itself. |
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| 00:55.24 | MangosDebian | karsten: what about the dpkg buildworld script? or xserver? |
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| 00:55.49 | karsten | MangosDebian: Ssytem in question isn't Debian. |
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| 00:56.39 | marc7 | karsten: that looks like a neat system (I'm just scrolling through the buffer)... what is it? |
| 00:56.54 | marc7 | (custom/vendor?) |
| 00:56.58 | MangosDebian | well, i still think memtest was the best bet to check ram. or some burn in boot cd |
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| 00:57.16 | freetos | does http://swordfish.strangled.net work? i've got a new router setup |
| 00:57.33 | karsten | marc7: Sun V40z. The RAM is a temporary laod for testing purposes. It's one of about a thousand Linux systems in the farm. |
| 00:58.19 | marc7 | nice. good things to say about the sun fire servers? |
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| 00:59.01 | MangosDebian | marc7: think karsten would be running this test if it wasnt flakey? :) |
| 00:59.17 | jetscreamer | but karsten is flaky... |
| 00:59.55 | karsten | Heh. uswsusp configuration dialog: "Instead of informative output you can enjoy a nice splash screen" |
| 01:00.03 | karsten | Yes: splash screens are noninformative. |
| 01:00.08 | marc7 | Mangos: point taken. I've had a tiny bit of experience with sparc architecture, and while sun makes decent stuff, it seems like going with intel/amd has pushed them ahead |
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| 01:01.54 | MangosDebian | marc7: im sure the system is fine if its just a bad stick of ram. but im a x86 fan for life |
| 01:01.57 | root` | Hello ppl |
| 01:02.07 | ricky | Hello. |
| 01:02.37 | marc7 | Mangos: likewise, I'm just looking to move away from Dell as I've had some questionable experiences with their service support guys |
| 01:02.54 | MangosDebian | root`: zomg! how did you guess my account name?! ;) |
| 01:02.58 | ampex2 | is there a chart that lists iptables modules functionality? |
| 01:03.00 | marc7 | too bad, because linux.dell.com looked like it was starting to really get somewhere. |
| 01:03.13 | ampex2 | for instance, how does ipt_conntrack differ from ip_conntrack? |
| 01:03.43 | root` | I'm getting pissed cause the console is not working the way it should. Everytime I hit C-TAB it ignores the Control key. Same when I hit C-M-S-v (it ignores the shift key) Any idea? |
| 01:04.04 | root` | <--- using emacs |
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| 01:04.54 | Gnu_Raiz | you might want to check your key bindings. |
| 01:04.57 | MangosDebian | root`: "showkey" detect the key stroke? if so, perhaps emacs related? |
| 01:05.07 | muhoo | is there some way from a command line tool, to bring an LCD or monitor out of "sleep" mode? |
| 01:05.20 | muhoo | i vaguely recall some kind of X message, but i forgot what it was |
| 01:05.31 | wedge | you can do an ugly solution.. |
| 01:05.38 | wedge | simply change resolution |
| 01:05.39 | ricky | Speaking of annoying keys... ctrl-a acts like ctrl-- for me in gnome-terminal. |
| 01:05.39 | muhoo | ugly works |
| 01:05.40 | wedge | and change back |
| 01:05.43 | muhoo | hmm |
| 01:05.47 | wedge | should get it triggered |
| 01:05.48 | muhoo | less ugly than that :-) |
| 01:05.52 | MangosDebian | muhoo: remote i assume? |
| 01:05.54 | wedge | =P |
| 01:05.58 | muhoo | programmatically |
| 01:06.02 | muhoo | i need to do it from a script |
| 01:06.06 | ricky | As in, it lowers the font size instead of the expected ctrl-a behavior, which is really annoying when I use screen/the terminal in general. |
| 01:07.02 | muhoo | i.e. if something happens that needs my attention, i throw up an xmessage. but that's uselss if the screen is blanked from several minutes of disuse |
| 01:07.04 | root` | MangosDebian: Showkey worked perfectly. When I ask emacs to test the keystrokes with C-h k it ignores Contron (only when hitting C-Tab) and shift sometimes |
| 01:07.22 | MangosDebian | muhoo: setvesablank off perhaps? |
| 01:07.27 | muhoo | ah |
| 01:07.30 | muhoo | yes that sounds right |
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| 01:08.01 | MangosDebian | muhoo: guess it would depend on how it was blanked, but its a starting point. FYI: apropos is your friend |
| 01:08.30 | MangosDebian | root`: well, at least you know its an emacs issue. sorry, don't do emacs though |
| 01:08.35 | muhoo | hmm |
| 01:08.40 | muhoo | setvesablank doesn't work in x |
| 01:08.48 | MangosDebian | figures :/ |
| 01:09.07 | muhoo | heh, apropos WHAT, though? |
| 01:09.10 | muhoo | apropos blank? nothing |
| 01:09.17 | muhoo | apropos screen? |
| 01:09.26 | muhoo | this one seems google-proof too :-/ |
| 01:09.26 | MangosDebian | muhoo: i did apropos vesa blank |
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| 01:10.23 | root` | Last time I used Debian was sarge r3 and I remember a blue screen where I set up the server mirror and "stable" "unstable" "devel". Where is that? apt-config shell is not doing anything btw |
| 01:10.40 | root` | I'm using etch atm |
| 01:10.43 | root` | netinstall |
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| 01:10.56 | MangosDebian | muhoo: perhaps you could send some gabage out to the mouse device and trigger a mouse event to wake the machine up? |
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| 01:13.18 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.33 | root` | please, anyone, help |
| 01:14.05 | MangosDebian | karsten: i hope for your sake you don't overflow the load fields and crash early :) |
| 01:14.07 | sussudio | why is something freenode-ish nmapping me? |
| 01:14.24 | karsten | MangosDebian: I'm worried about process table entries. Can't ssh to the box ATM. |
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| 01:14.38 | MangosDebian | sussudio: some servers do a proxy scan iirc. possibly that? |
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| 01:15.29 | sussudio | MangosDebian: this was 23 fucking pages. |
| 01:15.50 | jedir0x | I've got a server running debian, it's got 8GB physical memory... it's only recognizing 1GB, how do i enable high memory support? |
| 01:15.51 | MangosDebian | sussudio: full/fast port scan? |
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| 01:16.00 | sussudio | MangosDebian: DO NOT WANT. |
| 01:16.20 | MangosDebian | sussudio: can't say ive had any irc server scan more than a few common ports |
| 01:16.45 | root` | I want to configure apt so I can get the latest Emacs CVS. I think apt is configured to stable by default but when I run "apt-config shell" it doesn't do anything. What can be done to fix that? |
| 01:16.50 | sussudio | MangosDebian: 23 pages in 20 seconds. someone needs to bugger off. |
| 01:16.58 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 01:17.11 | MangosDebian | sussudio: someone needs to enable log rate limiting :p |
| 01:17.22 | karsten | sussudio: pages? |
| 01:17.26 | jedir0x | I've got a server running debian, it's got 8GB physical memory... it's only recognizing 1GB, how do i enable high memory support? |
| 01:17.30 | sussudio | karsten: kern.log pages |
| 01:17.37 | karsten | sussudio: Ah. |
| 01:17.47 | MangosDebian | sussudio: what ip scanned you anyways? |
| 01:17.59 | sussudio | 85.190.0.3 |
| 01:18.17 | MangosDebian | nxdomain here |
| 01:18.24 | sussudio | yes. |
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| 01:18.44 | MangosDebian | not like freenode guys to have borked dns |
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| 01:19.10 | karsten | sussudio: so-3-0-0.pr1.g310.fra.de.eurotransit.net is just upstream. |
| 01:19.19 | MangosDebian | well, i see the free node in the whois remarks though *shrug* |
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| 01:19.39 | karsten | sussudio: so-3-0-0.pr1.g310.fra.de.eurotransit.net seems to be that host |
| 01:19.49 | sussudio | :-| |
| 01:20.37 | thully | so, what do people here prefer for desktop/laptop use - stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 01:20.48 | MangosDebian | sussudio: email them and rip their head off |
| 01:21.08 | karsten | thully: Whatever's appropriate for the task and your skill level as an administrator. Personally: testing. |
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| 01:23.06 | thully | That's what I was thinking, but I was unsure. Some of etch's packages seemed too antiquated for me, and I don't want to be stuck with the same stuff for a year... |
| 01:24.03 | MangosDebian | ya, nothing like learning new syntax and reconfiguring everything every other week compared to a stable and static system |
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| 01:26.02 | thully | a stable system is all fine and good, but I'd prefer to not be stuck with GNOME 2.14 and Firefox...er..Iceweasel 2.0 for a year |
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| 01:27.00 | lostson | thully: you dont necessarily have to be stuck with those |
| 01:27.19 | thully | Not to mention ACPI/kernel packages that won't suspend my laptop |
| 01:27.23 | thully | That was my etch experience |
| 01:27.30 | ricky | I'm running testing as well. |
| 01:27.36 | cafuego | thully: That's why I run debian on servers, but not on desktops. |
| 01:27.44 | ricky | But there are backports, I guess. |
| 01:27.52 | lostson | thully: i am not fond of gnome 2.14 but if i went to kde i would get 3.5.5 which isnt bad |
| 01:28.03 | Gnu_Raiz | when was the last time you suspended your tesktop? |
| 01:28.04 | MangosDebian | let the holy war commence |
| 01:28.15 | Gnu_Raiz | laptops yes desktops no. |
| 01:28.16 | thully | laptop |
| 01:28.25 | cafuego | thully: thouhg for suspend all that's worked out of the box on my laptop was fedora, which is not my flavourite. |
| 01:28.26 | thully | I have a laptop |
| 01:29.03 | thully | Right now, I figure I'll either go with testing+sid packages as needed (I need 2.6.22 kernel) |
| 01:29.05 | Gnu_Raiz | did you check your bios. |
| 01:29.30 | thully | 2.6.22/sid suspends fine... |
| 01:29.31 | Gnu_Raiz | not having an updated bios can give you a problem like this, or |
| 01:29.46 | thully | MacBook...no BIOS :) |
| 01:29.48 | Gnu_Raiz | an unsuported support, |
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| 01:30.10 | Gnu_Raiz | that explains a lot, eff does weird things. |
| 01:30.15 | MangosDebian | an unsupported support? zomg i want one! |
| 01:30.29 | simonrvn | EFI |
| 01:30.54 | Gnu_Raiz | hehehe your right my bad. |
| 01:31.09 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: isnt efi still a "bios" though? |
| 01:31.10 | simonrvn | "you're" ;) |
| 01:31.21 | thully | I'm booting in BIOS compatibility mode, and I know it's the old kernel/ACPI support packages that doesn't work for suspend |
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| 01:32.38 | DawnLight | hello |
| 01:32.41 | thully | As I said, Sid (or Ubuntu's development branch, or Ubuntu's stable+a custom kernel) suspends fine |
| 01:33.08 | waiting` | Hey guys! What do you recommend me to use right now. Sarge or Etch? |
| 01:33.32 | jlc | etch |
| 01:33.38 | thully | use etch, unless you have REALLY OLD hardware |
| 01:34.10 | peterS | MangosDebian: EFI is a boot firmware. the term 'BIOS' was never really accurate anyway. thus it is best to reserve the inaccurate term 'BIOS' to mean 'IBM AT-compatible BIOS' |
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| 01:34.42 | waiting` | I c. But I want to configure apt-get to use devel packages so I can install the latest emacs cvs. What should I do (just tried editting sources.list but got some errors) |
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| 01:35.29 | simonrvn | http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/efi-boot-process.html |
| 01:35.31 | MangosDebian | peterS: ahh, so its oranges to oranges, but one orange wants to be called an apple? :) |
| 01:35.32 | simonrvn | !efi |
| 01:35.38 | jetscreamer | you should man apt-get |
| 01:35.41 | simonrvn | meh |
| 01:35.45 | thully | If you have really new hardware, you may have to use lenny or sid...as in my case |
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| 01:35.54 | peterS | MangosDebian: well, the IBM AT-compatible BIOS is a boot firmware, but I don't think it's useful to call all boot firmwares BIOS |
| 01:35.58 | jetscreamer | and determine exactly what a -dev package is |
| 01:36.15 | peterS | MangosDebian: and don't bring Apple into this. EFI was invented by Intel |
| 01:36.27 | DawnLight | does knoppix have debian's packaging system? is so, can i install packages that are for debian? |
| 01:36.43 | waiting` | knoppix is based on debian |
| 01:36.46 | MangosDebian | peterS: why not? apple is efi isnt it? seems relevant :p |
| 01:37.05 | dan2 | peterS: evening again |
| 01:37.13 | peterS | MangosDebian: well, they use EFI in some machine, and Open Firmware in others. so. |
| 01:37.17 | peterS | hey, dan2 |
| 01:37.23 | jetscreamer | /join #knoppix, but yes it uses debian sources |
| 01:37.24 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 01:37.46 | MangosDebian | peterS: woah woah, wait a sec. you mean they have 2 versions of the same thing? :( |
| 01:37.46 | DawnLight | waiting: is that a "yes" to both questions? |
| 01:38.07 | waiting` | hm? |
| 01:38.13 | peterS | MangosDebian: no. some machines use EFI, others use Open Firmware. I have no idea why they didn't just stay with Open Firmware, why fix what wasn't broken? but they moved to EFI when they moved to Intel chips |
| 01:38.19 | jetscreamer | no it wasn't |
| 01:38.24 | jetscreamer | from him |
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| 01:38.29 | thully | I know EFI/BIOS isn't the issue, as I can suspend in sid. I figure I'll try lenny w/ some Sid backports (like the kernel - 2.6.22 is necessary to suspend) |
| 01:38.46 | peterS | MangosDebian: perhaps they were tired of "Mac-compatible" peripherals costing twice as much because they had to support OF instead of PC-BIOS. but EFI doesn't seem like a solution to that, it is incompatible with the PC BIOS just as OF is |
| 01:39.18 | DawnLight | but you don't know any further about whether i can dpkd -i somedebiandeb.deb? |
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| 01:39.45 | peterS | DawnLight: we aren't knoppix users, we have no way of knowing what debian packages are compatible with knoppix and what packages are nto |
| 01:39.46 | abrotman | DawnLight: you can try it .. but we can't guarantee anything except packages from debian for debian |
| 01:39.49 | peterS | not |
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| 01:40.18 | jetscreamer | yes you can just do it |
| 01:40.18 | MangosDebian | abrotman: #debian makes guarentees? :) |
| 01:40.26 | jetscreamer | just dont' --force anything |
| 01:40.28 | karsten | MangosDebian: Sure. |
| 01:40.33 | karsten | MangosDebian: Money back, guaranteed. |
| 01:40.37 | MangosDebian | ha |
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| 01:40.49 | karsten | MangosDebian: So, decided 32 builds wasn't cutting it. |
| 01:40.56 | karsten | MangosDebian: Rolling out another 32 build trees. |
| 01:40.57 | DawnLight | yeah abrotman, did you ever make a guarantee that something will work and it just didn't? |
| 01:41.04 | jetscreamer | i invested 3000 bucks in a new computer and debian wouldn't work on it. i want my money back. |
| 01:41.13 | MangosDebian | if this OS fails I'll....I'll upload it back to you I swear! |
| 01:41.23 | abrotman | DawnLight: you don't want to know! |
| 01:41.29 | jetscreamer | no wait it was 6000 |
| 01:41.33 | jetscreamer | or was it 12 |
| 01:41.41 | jetscreamer | 12,000.. that was it |
| 01:41.53 | abrotman | jetscreamer: itanium ? |
| 01:41.57 | MangosDebian | karsten: you know, I still think a ramfs would do just as good |
| 01:41.57 | DawnLight | tell me about it |
| 01:42.09 | DawnLight | no dont |
| 01:42.19 | DawnLight | i'm gonna try that thing |
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| 01:43.10 | jetscreamer | hpno wait it was one of these... 12 million i meant http://www.top500.org/ |
| 01:43.18 | jetscreamer | or more |
| 01:43.46 | jetscreamer | cray |
| 01:44.49 | jedir0x | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.09 | ampex2 | jedir0x: amd64 |
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| 01:45.31 | jedir0x | ampex2: thanks, any idea if it has high memory support compiled in? |
| 01:45.36 | piztek | anyone know how to disable x screen saver |
| 01:45.46 | abrotman | jedir0x: how much RAM do you have ? |
| 01:45.46 | ampex2 | jedir0x: 64-bit, it doesn't need high memory support |
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| 01:45.55 | Gnu_Raiz | agree amd64, |
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| 01:46.01 | jedir0x | linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 01:46.07 | peterS | <greycat> maddog: take a pimply 14-year-old script kiddie. Put him in a blender. Puree. Pour into a shallow tray, let it solidify, put it in the CD-ROM drive, mount it, and then compile it. You have BitchX. <greycat> maddog: when you've outgrown saying "D00d!" and "That's so gay!" then move up to irssi. |
| 01:46.10 | jetscreamer | piztek: just do it? use the preferences of the screensaver |
| 01:46.11 | jedir0x | so that package? |
| 01:46.20 | peterS | hmmm, wrong #debian |
| 01:46.23 | jetscreamer | piztek: or did you need the command line |
| 01:46.32 | abrotman | peterS: hehe |
| 01:46.32 | piztek | jetscreamer: command line |
| 01:46.35 | piztek | i have no link |
| 01:46.36 | ampex2 | jedir0x: how did you install debian? CD/ |
| 01:46.42 | jedir0x | CD |
| 01:46.47 | waiting` | Since I'm testing some stuff I want to make a local repository. Is there a command to make apt-get just download packages instead of installing them (like the --fetch-only option in gentoo) |
| 01:46.51 | ampex2 | jedir0x: did you use the amd64 CD or the i386 CD? |
| 01:46.59 | jedir0x | prolly i386 |
| 01:47.01 | abrotman | waiting`: --download-only |
| 01:47.05 | waiting` | cool |
| 01:47.06 | jedir0x | is that going fux0r me up? |
| 01:47.10 | waiting` | tnx |
| 01:47.12 | MangosDebian | peterS: give greycat my regards |
| 01:47.17 | jetscreamer | piztek: i 'think' it's xscreensaver-config, but i'll have to check |
| 01:47.17 | ampex2 | jedir0x: I don't think you can just change the kernel to 64-bit and use the existing binaries |
| 01:47.19 | jedir0x | damn, 32 bit binaries vs. 64 bit binaries? |
| 01:47.20 | ampex2 | but I coudl be wrong |
| 01:47.25 | peterS | MangosDebian: he used to be a regular here, haven't seen him for awhile |
| 01:47.25 | jedir0x | well, we'll find out :) |
| 01:47.26 | jetscreamer | greycat is the leader of #bash i think |
| 01:47.29 | zinx | ampex: you can. |
| 01:47.40 | peterS | MangosDebian: (that quote was from this channel) |
| 01:47.45 | jetscreamer | i see mwilson in there sometimes too |
| 01:47.49 | jetscreamer | or did |
| 01:47.50 | zinx | upgrading to a 64-bit system is more complex though |
| 01:47.53 | MangosDebian | peterS: ahh, sorry. thought so (quote) |
| 01:48.00 | zinx | (64-bit userspace) |
| 01:48.01 | somian[0] | Oh yes, greycat, GNU/Linux hater |
| 01:48.06 | zinx | because it's a different architecture in debian :/ |
| 01:48.32 | abrotman | MangosDebian: greycat is still on freenode |
| 01:48.49 | MangosDebian | abrotman: havent seen em lately. new distro? |
| 01:48.59 | abrotman | MangosDebian: nope .. he was driven from #debian |
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| 01:49.07 | MangosDebian | oh |
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| 01:49.25 | MangosDebian | didnt see that one coming |
| 01:49.37 | abrotman | MangosDebian: he's not the only one |
| 01:49.50 | peterS | as I recall, he's one of those who got disillusioned with #debian and clingy n00b syndrome |
| 01:49.54 | abrotman | mildly OT i suppose |
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| 01:49.59 | abrotman | peterS: no .. he was forced out |
| 01:50.01 | MangosDebian | ya, i heard about mwilson and fieldysnuts |
| 01:50.08 | peterS | oh was he? I missed that. |
| 01:50.24 | abrotman | peterS: he told us the other day he'd have come back .. but times change i suppose |
| 01:50.29 | waiting` | what's faster. Xorg or Xfree86? |
| 01:50.37 | abrotman | xfree86 is irrelevant |
| 01:50.46 | waiting` | why |
| 01:50.54 | MangosDebian | license issue wasnt it? |
| 01:51.03 | waiting` | so? |
| 01:51.06 | thully | it's outdated, and used by exactly one person - David Dawes |
| 01:51.13 | waiting` | so it's out of the game? |
| 01:51.21 | cef | can anyone else confirm that etch gives them a stack trace on the text console if they hit ctrl-scroll lock? cos it's happening here (it's the key combo for the KVM) and it's bugging me! |
| 01:51.35 | jedir0x | sweet |
| 01:51.36 | jedir0x | it works |
| 01:51.52 | jedir0x | just installed that package, rebooted.. viola.. found all 4 cores, and can see 8GB memory |
| 01:51.52 | abrotman | waiting`: xfree86 adopted a horrible-ish license .. incompatible with many ideals of F/OSS .. |
| 01:51.52 | thully | yes, because they insisted on bringing back the BSD advertising clause |
| 01:51.53 | waiting` | rofl |
| 01:51.53 | jedir0x | :) |
| 01:52.00 | stew | marcuss: please turn that off in here |
| 01:52.05 | jedir0x | now to do it on the other 3 machines |
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| 01:52.11 | MangosDebian | stew: been doing that all day it seems |
| 01:52.12 | peterS | stew: I warned him once already. fyi. |
| 01:52.17 | abrotman | !tell marcuss about away |
| 01:52.20 | abrotman | whoops |
| 01:52.32 | waiting` | cef: rofl. That's your KVM keystroke? :) |
| 01:52.45 | marcuss | abrot : sorry |
| 01:52.52 | marcuss | abrot : i cnt get rid of script |
| 01:52.59 | cef | waiting`: yeah. annoying.. I'm just wondering if it's just call up a stack trace, or a real bug |
| 01:53.16 | stew | marcuss: can't then get rid of the client |
| 01:53.25 | thully | XFree86 still exists, but is probably only used by David Dawes and NetBSD folk... |
| 01:53.33 | abrotman | marcuss: every client has that as a configurable option .. that i've seen |
| 01:53.33 | waiting` | but xfree86 is the only thing you can have with sarge, right? |
| 01:53.36 | karsten | Is there any way to flush all buffers/cache? |
| 01:53.46 | abrotman | waiting`: there are backports of xorg for sarge |
| 01:53.51 | waiting` | cool |
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| 01:54.07 | Virtus | I have some problems running autoreconf.. I get this "siara:~/4178/trunk# autoreconf --install --force |
| 01:54.12 | cef | waiting`: never seen it on a 2.4 series kernel, but noticing it on more than one 2.6 setup (not just debian).. |
| 01:54.13 | Virtus | ... /usr/share/aclocal/libmcrypt.m4:17: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBMCRYPT |
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| 01:54.30 | Virtus | Im running the debian 4 64bit on linux |
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| 01:55.17 | cef | ahh it's normal.. hrm |
| 01:55.25 | jetscreamer | /usr/bin/xscreensaver --help will tell you everything you need to know |
| 01:55.37 | MangosDebian | marcuss: why cant you get rid of it? |
| 01:55.38 | peterS | Virtus: that sounds rather self-explanatory to me. it's warning you about something you should fix in your code |
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| 01:56.08 | Virtus | peterS > so its not a problem with automake or autoreconf ? |
| 01:56.18 | peterS | marcuss: I warned you before. if all 700 of us ran that kind of script, imagine how much useless noise there would be in this channel. therefore we don't allow anyone to run it. |
| 01:56.22 | jedir0x | i've added a script to /etc/init.d/ |
| 01:56.30 | jedir0x | how do i make it so it's launched at system start? |
| 01:56.38 | marcuss | peterS : I HAVE TURNED IT OFF! |
| 01:56.44 | jetscreamer | http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/man1.html |
| 01:56.55 | MangosDebian | marcuss: I have a total of 6 away msg's from you. they are every hour on the hour |
| 01:56.56 | jetscreamer | marcuss: it did it |
| 01:57.01 | jetscreamer | i saw it |
| 01:57.12 | cef | aha! found out the kvm also responds to just scroll lock. stupid little kvm! |
| 01:57.14 | peterS | Virtus: hmmm, so it's in /usr/share/aclocal, whatever package provides that file is the one with the bug, I guess |
| 01:57.15 | marcuss | I HAV TRID |
| 01:57.18 | marcuss | I SWEAR |
| 01:57.22 | marcuss | IT WONT GO AWAY! |
| 01:57.25 | jetscreamer | try harder and don't do caps |
| 01:57.33 | jedir0x | marcuss: caps suck |
| 01:57.38 | abrotman | marcuss: what client are you using ? |
| 01:57.44 | marcuss | When did yuou last get message? |
| 01:57.45 | somian[0] | .oO("I'm lazy and stupid and sullen and you aren't nice people anyway so i don't really care about being a pita, get off my back" ...) |
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| 01:57.52 | Virtus | advanced caps is cool! |
| 01:57.55 | MangosDebian | marcuss: and how come it never happened before today? |
| 01:58.08 | marcuss | MangosDebian ,Yes it has |
| 01:58.10 | cef | now, to find a decent set of tools to build a firewall, that hopefully someone else can manage apart from myself. *sigh* |
| 01:58.10 | Virtus | peterS > yeah, you might be onto something.. |
| 01:58.19 | jetscreamer | somebody buy me a cray |
| 01:58.25 | MangosDebian | marcuss: not under that nick in this channel it hasnt |
| 01:58.26 | jetscreamer | now |
| 01:58.38 | marcuss | MangosDebian ,I know |
| 01:58.43 | marcuss | MangosDebian ,I never come here |
| 01:58.52 | marcuss | MangosDebian ,No need before :P |
| 01:58.53 | peterS | MangosDebian: would a 48-box of crayola be close enough? |
| 01:58.59 | jetscreamer | cef: totally simple is lokkit.. just don't let it install gnome-lokkit |
| 01:59.08 | abrotman | marcuss: what client are you using ? |
| 01:59.08 | jetscreamer | unless you run gnome |
| 01:59.09 | somian[0] | I want one, peterS ;-) |
| 01:59.15 | peterS | jetscreamer: wait, that was for you, not for Mangos |
| 01:59.30 | marcuss | Jetscreamer :/ ,crappy crappy mirc |
| 01:59.38 | peterS | geez, now I sound like Robert Fulghum |
| 01:59.46 | marcuss | Jetscreamer : im on shitty windows |
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| 01:59.51 | MangosDebian | marcuss: i think what were saying is if you wish to continue to stay here, you might want to obey the channel rules and find a way to disable it :) |
| 01:59.52 | jetscreamer | marcuss: you can try silverex.org for xchat for windows free version |
| 01:59.57 | abrotman | marcuss: xchat has a win32 build .. use it |
| 02:00.04 | cef | jetscreamer: errr. the box has 4 interfaces. lokkit won't do from what I've seen. personally I'd prefer something web based, but I've already looked about and there isn't much... currently exploring fwbuilder |
| 02:00.16 | jetscreamer | cef: no idea then |
| 02:00.33 | marcuss | MangosDebian : Are you not reading me ,I am saying stuff ,but you seam to disagree? |
| 02:00.38 | jetscreamer | shorewall maybe i heard is ok but no idea |
| 02:00.43 | abrotman | marcuss: xchat has a win32 build .. use it |
| 02:00.57 | marcuss | MangosDebian : I have said i have tried ,Do you realy think im trying to brak rues? |
| 02:01.02 | MangosDebian | marcuss: nobody cares what client you use. dem's the rules |
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| 02:01.19 | shogunx | cef try man iptables ;) |
| 02:01.33 | marcuss | MangosDebian : I was acked for my client ,So dont turn it on me |
| 02:01.44 | jedir0x | marcuss: dude, settle down, you're on a fast track to getting banned, talking back to ops isn't a good idea... i suggest you STFU. |
| 02:01.47 | cef | shogunx: oh I can build one.. but no one else here can maintain it! which is the problem |
| 02:02.03 | shogunx | cef ahhh. i see your quandry. |
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| 02:02.26 | somian[0] | Wow, Caelum -- LTNS! |
| 02:02.32 | marcuss | jedir0x : I try to be nice ,How ever ,when you get people not reading or taking anything i say ,I find that rather annoying |
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| 02:02.41 | MangosDebian | 2007-07-26 22:51:46 could be funny ;) |
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| 02:03.00 | MangosDebian | (EST btw) |
| 02:03.20 | chaoticflaws | Which has the latest and greatest? Debian unstable or Ubuntu edgy or whatever Ubuntu's at these days? |
| 02:03.27 | jedir0x | marcuss: they don't give a shit if you turned it off or not... or if it's your client or whatever... all they give a shit about is that it's putting garbage into the channel, get a different client, regardless of whether or not you think it's your fault... your client is putting garbage into the channel. |
| 02:03.42 | stew | jedir0x: marcuss: please drop it and move on |
| 02:03.51 | peterS | chaoticflaws: please specify whether you want the latest or the greatest. they are not the same thing. |
| 02:03.54 | jedir0x | stew: but it's fun! |
| 02:03.56 | jetscreamer | ubuntu is usually a couple minor versions behind sid and has less of a package base |
| 02:03.59 | cef | shogunx: yeah.. even with only 3 network interfaces (in, out, dmz), it's still no fun. |
| 02:04.01 | marcuss | Jedir0x : i was ASKED for my client |
| 02:04.03 | stew | jedir0x: its useless and off-topic, drop it |
| 02:04.06 | jetscreamer | unless you play with weird repos |
| 02:04.06 | marcuss | Jedir0x : I find nothign fun |
| 02:04.10 | jedir0x | stew: hah, ok. |
| 02:04.11 | stew | marcuss: please drop it |
| 02:04.23 | cef | shogunx: of course it gets worse when you add to that another outbound interface. *sigh* |
| 02:04.23 | jedir0x | anyway, linux-image-amd64 works great, thanks for the help guys. |
| 02:04.47 | chaoticflaws | peterS: alright, how about which falls into the greatest and which is in the latest? |
| 02:05.03 | abrotman | way to dodge the question! |
| 02:05.12 | shogunx | cef try it on an ethernet ring architecture with redundant routes on all nodes on the ring! |
| 02:05.33 | peterS | chaoticflaws: how about you say whether you're more interested in whatever has the newest timestamps (the latest) or whatever works best (the greatest) |
| 02:05.45 | cef | shogunx: *shudder* ... errr no thanks. :P |
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| 02:06.38 | chaoticflaws | peterS: newest timestamps please. |
| 02:06.49 | chaoticflaws | er, latest* |
| 02:07.00 | peterS | chaoticflaws: debian unstable ('sid'), then. or ubuntu unstable ('gutsy'), which really brings new meaning to the term 'unstable'. |
| 02:07.48 | chaoticflaws | peterS: nice, I've heard a few stories of "gutsy" |
| 02:08.16 | peterS | chaoticflaws: I haven't, particularly, but ubuntu unstable has a general reputation for being less afraid of breaking the world than debian is |
| 02:08.22 | chaoticflaws | peterS: However, I've had a few friends tell me i'm wasting my time with sid and I should move over to ubuntu |
| 02:09.11 | MangosDebian | chaoticflaws: and people invested in home depot will bitch you out for buying at home hardware too :) |
| 02:09.25 | shogunx | hehe |
| 02:09.51 | MangosDebian | chaoticflaws: sounds like your friends are "invested" in ubuntu. probably with time instead of stock options though ;) |
| 02:10.18 | metbsd | hi MangosDebian |
| 02:10.37 | jetscreamer | compare both |
| 02:10.46 | jetscreamer | especially compare the channels |
| 02:10.49 | chaoticflaws | MangosDebian: They tend to be the friends who recently switched from windows. I'm a console whore.....I'm a fan of the textual experiences Sid brings to my life. |
| 02:10.50 | waiting` | Which is the equivalence of kdebase but for gnome (I've always used kde but want to give gnome a try) |
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| 02:11.13 | jetscreamer | gnome-core perhaps |
| 02:11.18 | jetscreamer | or gnome-desktop |
| 02:11.32 | waiting` | that sounds better |
| 02:11.49 | jetscreamer | core is probably more equiv to base |
| 02:11.59 | jetscreamer | kdesktop would be more like gnome-desktop |
| 02:12.06 | jetscreamer | and kde to gnome |
| 02:12.14 | metbsd | kde > gnome |
| 02:12.16 | jetscreamer | if you want the full on bloated metapackages |
| 02:12.18 | waiting` | definitely gnome-desktop is teh bloated package i wanted to avoid |
| 02:12.29 | jetscreamer | i'm talking metapackages not relative merits of kde or gnome |
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| 02:12.40 | shogunx | !start a desktop war |
| 02:12.40 | dpkg | enlightenment: the choice for the -smarter- debian user. |
| 02:12.50 | waiting` | lol |
| 02:12.51 | MangosDebian | chaoticflaws: well, i see you have a few options. you can either stick with your friends and help solidify your collective knowledge of one distro (ubuntu). or spread out and cover a similar distro which ubuntu is the parent of, sid it seems has your attn. although im sure it will cause you grief at some point compared to something a tad more stable |
| 02:13.09 | jetscreamer | waiting`: just apt-get install the package you want to try |
| 02:13.16 | waiting` | what about that enlightment env? |
| 02:13.20 | waiting` | blah |
| 02:13.20 | jetscreamer | the deps should get sucked in |
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| 02:13.34 | MangosDebian | err, s/ubuntu/debian for parent of ;) |
| 02:13.34 | jetscreamer | you could check out e... but ... |
| 02:14.22 | shogunx | jetscreamer, i dig E. but then again i mainly use it for lots and lots of consoles. |
| 02:14.36 | jetscreamer | try them all is my motto |
| 02:14.42 | jetscreamer | delete what you never use |
| 02:14.44 | shogunx | jetscreamer, i concur |
| 02:14.51 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: you sl*t :) |
| 02:15.15 | chaoticflaws | MangosDebian: I have had a few aptitude moments. Restarting can be a bit tricky after those mistakes.... |
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| 02:15.57 | MangosDebian | chaoticflaws: i don't even use it, nor sid so i can't really pretend to know what its like tbh :) |
| 02:16.31 | chaoticflaws | MangosDebian: what do you run? |
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| 02:16.34 | waiting` | well, I'm asking before apt-get cause my connection is just 256bits/sec and it sucks waiting hours to get something installed |
| 02:16.36 | MangosDebian | chaoticflaws: stable always (maybe the odd testing install here and there over the years) |
| 02:16.54 | waiting` | my nick says everything |
| 02:16.56 | waiting` | lol |
| 02:16.58 | MangosDebian | chaoticflaws: and apt-get, never aptitud or dselect |
| 02:17.14 | shogunx | sid since potato here. if you do not mind the occasional head scratcher, its great. |
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| 02:17.35 | MangosDebian | waiting`: download the dvd's while you sleep :) |
| 02:17.37 | jetscreamer | sid since woody here |
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| 02:17.46 | jetscreamer | i got a woody for sid |
| 02:17.51 | shogunx | heh |
| 02:17.51 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 02:17.51 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 02:18.10 | shogunx | ahh, woody. openmosix was in woody:) |
| 02:18.28 | waiting` | MangosDebian: The thing is that when I download the DVDs I find that 2 weeks after I got them burned there's a new release and I feel not very happy |
| 02:18.31 | waiting` | lol |
| 02:18.33 | MangosDebian | i hear openmosix went to the bit bucket in the sky recently too :( |
| 02:18.36 | shogunx | had to patch and build your own kernel, of course, but my oh my was it sweet. |
| 02:18.58 | shogunx | MangosDebian, reports of OM's death are greatly exagerated |
| 02:19.09 | MangosDebian | waiting`: ya, but once your caught up they tend to be good for at least a few months |
| 02:19.09 | waiting` | wget supports transfers resuming, right? |
| 02:19.15 | chaoticflaws | MangosDebian: nice. I use a combo between apt-get and aptitude. Well, thank you for the info. |
| 02:19.16 | tarzeau | waiting`: yes, using -c |
| 02:19.17 | stew | waiting`: yes, with -c |
| 02:19.24 | Dewi | waiting`: do you really mean 256 bits per second? |
| 02:19.27 | waiting` | cool |
| 02:19.29 | shogunx | the openmosix-devel list reports 2.6.22 patches, and userspace is complete. |
| 02:19.30 | waiting` | yeah |
| 02:19.38 | waiting` | 30KBytes/sec max |
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| 02:19.42 | Enkidu_ak | MangosDebian: Ack! Say it ain't so :( I never really had the opportunity to play with openmosix until recently. |
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| 02:19.49 | Dewi | waiting`: er |
| 02:19.53 | waiting` | i know |
| 02:19.54 | Dewi | waiting`: that would be kilobits |
| 02:19.56 | waiting` | sucks |
| 02:20.12 | Dewi | waiting`: no that's half the average in australia |
| 02:20.14 | waiting` | dude. 256Kbits/sec = 30KBytes/sec |
| 02:20.22 | Dewi | waiting`: I only have 512 at work and I am working at an ISP |
| 02:20.33 | Dewi | waiting`: you didn't say "K" |
| 02:20.45 | MangosDebian | Enkidu_ak: well, shogunx says it isnt, but I recall a /. article mentioning one of the clustering projects was giving up soon due to the multi core nature of cpu's making things obsolete (dont ask me how that applies though) |
| 02:20.46 | shogunx | Enkidu_ak, true to GNU standards, the openmosix torch has been picked up by other developers. only Moshe has stopped. |
| 02:20.47 | tarzeau | that's more like fun: 70.84M/s |
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| 02:20.59 | waiting` | well, typos happens |
| 02:21.07 | waiting` | :) |
| 02:21.11 | MangosDebian | shogunx: ahh, so its been forked? or just the head dev left? |
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| 02:22.18 | shogunx | MangosDebian, Moshe Bar was the one who forked OM from Mosix proper. he then led xen, and now kvm. not forked yet, but it will when the svn tree is frozen next april. |
| 02:23.11 | Enkidu_ak | Hmm... OpenMosix with a few dual-core boxen... |
| 02:23.12 | MangosDebian | shogunx: ahh, glad to hear then. would be a shame to think that multi core cpu's somehow makes something like that obsolete |
| 02:23.39 | MangosDebian | why do with one box what you can do faster with 100 :) |
| 02:23.40 | marc7 | hmm, how can I get debian to regenerate the ssh_host_rsa/dsa_key? I'm not having luck with `dpkg-reconfigure ssh` |
| 02:24.01 | marc7 | i've also tried remove --purge ssh, then install ssh... but that doesn't seem to be doing the trick |
| 02:24.06 | MangosDebian | marc7: ssh-keygen can make them |
| 02:24.22 | marc7 | Mangos, yeah, I'm trying to simulate the install process |
| 02:24.24 | shogunx | MangosDebian, the issue Moshe is citing is the need for fast distributed shared memory to take full advantage of the coming massive multi-coring of processors across multiple nodes. |
| 02:24.31 | MangosDebian | marc7: just a standard key, just save it to the filename in /etc it expects |
| 02:25.11 | marc7 | *nod* that will definitely work Mangos, but I'd flatten and re-install the system before I did that, because I'm playing around with the debian installer |
| 02:25.14 | shogunx | MangosDebian, other devs, however, still see utility for OM, and others feel this limitation can be overcome. |
| 02:25.20 | MangosDebian | shogunx: well, some efficiency may be lost but it still better to have 3 or 4 boxes than 1 imho |
| 02:25.30 | shogunx | MangosDebian, i concur. |
| 02:25.46 | MangosDebian | shogunx: besides, ethernet 40/100gbit should help fix some of that no? |
| 02:25.47 | marc7 | and I'm specifically trying to figure out how to invoke the setup process, generating the keys are of secondary importance |
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| 02:26.21 | jetscreamer | did you ask on the d-i channel on oftc? |
| 02:26.24 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 02:26.24 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 02:26.36 | jetscreamer | debian-boot that's it |
| 02:26.41 | marc7 | nope, but I might love that channel |
| 02:26.43 | marc7 | thank you jet! |
| 02:26.53 | marc7 | (aww, only four people) |
| 02:27.08 | stoned | bhoot |
| 02:27.08 | jetscreamer | on oftc |
| 02:27.16 | jetscreamer | this one is deprecated |
| 02:27.17 | shogunx | MangosDebian, shared memory makes it SLOW due to limitations like bus speed, network latency, etc. if these are addressed in future iterations of hardware, as they likely will be, then not only will the clusters share processers across nodes, but usable memory becomes cumulative across the cluster. |
| 02:27.21 | marc7 | ah |
| 02:27.24 | Enkidu_ak | What I've been trying to setup is a 10+ node mosix cluster on a bonded network. I'll have on box playing multiplexor while the rest are distributing processes. |
| 02:27.38 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: but this one has more people is more active and definitely is more fun |
| 02:27.49 | stoned | hey |
| 02:27.50 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: #debian-boot |
| 02:27.53 | jetscreamer | hey stoned |
| 02:27.59 | stoned | life sucks man |
| 02:28.03 | tarzeau | stoned: why? |
| 02:28.07 | stoned | i got the budds but i got no fire :( |
| 02:28.29 | shogunx | Enkidu_ak, with the 2.4 tree? |
| 02:28.36 | stoned | plus im really sick |
| 02:28.47 | stoned | damn man, get broadband |
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| 02:29.01 | stoned | the fast kind |
| 02:29.03 | jetscreamer | stoned: heh... take some toilet paper to the toaster or a lightbulb... also try the stove |
| 02:29.05 | shogunx | stoned he may not have access to it in his area. |
| 02:29.06 | waiting` | it is a crappy adsl |
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| 02:29.17 | stoned | jetscreamer: problem is, I got a one hitter bat |
| 02:29.21 | stoned | thats all i got |
| 02:29.23 | Enkidu_ak | shogunx: Yes. I have a bunch of Duron boxes with 2.4 on them. |
| 02:29.37 | shogunx | Enkidu_ak, are you running into issues? |
| 02:29.38 | stoned | shogunx: that sucks |
| 02:29.42 | jetscreamer | hey you shouldn't start back up unless you're just going to |
| 02:29.54 | stoned | jetscreamer: man I'm just |
| 02:29.55 | shogunx | stoned fact of life in many places, alas. |
| 02:29.57 | stoned | its been a long time |
| 02:29.58 | waiting` | theres a goddamn monopoly with internet here. This shit (256Kb down and 128Kbit up) is arround 60 dollars |
| 02:30.10 | Enkidu_ak | shogunx My only issues so far are with my multiplexor. I'm having a hell of a time with gbit cards under the 2.4 kernel |
| 02:30.18 | stoned | I just need to and its only a little bit |
| 02:30.21 | shogunx | waiting`, general physical locality? |
| 02:30.24 | jetscreamer | ppl in jail roll cigarettes out of the wrapper that covers toilet paper if they have to.. and will use any paper if it comes down to that |
| 02:30.39 | waiting` | yeah, monopoly in the town |
| 02:30.43 | waiting` | I mean cuty |
| 02:30.47 | waiting` | city* |
| 02:30.47 | stoned | jetscreamer: I got papers |
| 02:30.57 | stoned | jetscreamer: msg |
| 02:31.00 | Enkidu_ak | shogunx: Though my main drawback is lack of time. Too many hobbies, not enough freetime :p |
| 02:31.03 | shogunx | waiting`, no, like, without being more specific than necessary, where are you? |
| 02:31.34 | shogunx | Enkidu_ak, but you are having success with an om patched kernel migrating processes, correct? |
| 02:31.34 | waiting` | Patagonia - Argentina - South America |
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| 02:31.56 | waiting` | city: NQN (Neuquen) |
| 02:31.57 | Enkidu_ak | shogunx: Oh, yes. No problems. |
| 02:31.58 | litage | is there a way to only flush a specific email from the postfix [defer] queue? |
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| 02:32.09 | Enkidu_ak | shogunx: My issue is the network, not the patch. |
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| 02:33.08 | shogunx | Enkidu_ak, as long as the latency is low, and you are not pushing all of the processors to max, 100bT should be sufficient for a 10 noder |
| 02:33.30 | shogunx | Enkidu_ak, just FYI. |
| 02:33.47 | shogunx | Enkidu_ak, do not let me discourage your bonding gbit interfaces |
| 02:34.00 | chaoticflaws | anyone from austtralia here? Cause i'm sure they could match anyone bitching about net access costs like no other. |
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| 02:34.27 | shogunx | waiting`, are you serviced by a hardwired or wireless carrier? |
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| 02:35.15 | shogunx | waiting`, i only ask because i have friends whose job is to light up places with little infrastructure. |
| 02:35.19 | Enkidu_ak | shogunx: No chance of that :) I know om works, I've used it before. I just want to push it and see what I can come up with. |
| 02:35.35 | shogunx | Enkidu_ak, :) |
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| 02:36.56 | shogunx | chaoticflaws, try most of africa, where the only option is VSAT, and a 128K duplex will cost you $2K/mo |
| 02:37.00 | waiting` | shogunx: hardwired |
| 02:37.19 | jetscreamer | yeah aussies bitch a lot about the price of internet |
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| 02:38.08 | waiting` | how fast is your connection shogunx? and how expensive? |
| 02:39.01 | chaoticflaws | shogunx: ouch. |
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| 02:40.50 | shogunx | waiting`, I have 2 circuits here... one gives me unlimited ip addresses via dhcp and gives me about 650KB/s down, about 40KB/sec up shared across all hosts. it costs $80 US/mo. the other is a single static IP, same 650KB down, but approx 240KB/sec up. it is $200 US/mo. |
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| 02:41.25 | waiting` | i like the 1st one |
| 02:41.30 | waiting` | ;) |
| 02:42.44 | shogunx | waiting`, i am only SUPPOSED to get 5 ip's on that circuit, but i ditched the carriers router, crossconnected the docsis device directly to my 24 porter, and now i can pull as many ip addresses as i like:) |
| 02:43.24 | waiting` | it seems you know a lot about networking |
| 02:43.36 | shogunx | waiting`, the second one is useful if you want to host a high traffic site on your premises. |
| 02:44.03 | shogunx | waiting`, i have played with it for a few years. thank you for the compliment. |
| 02:44.09 | waiting` | I knwow but.... unlimited IPs == pwn |
| 02:44.23 | waiting` | :) |
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| 02:45.31 | shogunx | its handy, for sure. i kind of found it by accident tho. |
| 02:46.00 | shogunx | their router kept crashing, so i ditched it. |
| 02:46.13 | n3kl | Anyone have a sugestion for an easy irc server? |
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| 02:46.47 | shogunx | n3kl, i have had no problems with ngircd |
| 02:47.34 | waiting` | heh, you stealing unlimited IPs and I'm trying to make a fuckin bridge between a WinXP box and this box with dhcpd (which is still bitching about an error) |
| 02:47.38 | waiting` | )/ |
| 02:47.43 | waiting` | =/ |
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| 02:48.03 | waiting` | I was lookin for the syslog dir |
| 02:48.07 | waiting` | found it |
| 02:48.16 | waiting` | just nothing about dhcpd there |
| 02:48.23 | waiting` | =/ |
| 02:48.42 | shogunx | waiting`, most dhcpd packages log to /var/log/daemon.log |
| 02:48.52 | waiting` | leeme check |
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| 02:49.27 | lightning | i'm looking to autologin and auto startx on bootup, can anyone help |
| 02:49.27 | waiting` | seems that's the one |
| 02:49.44 | waiting` | well |
| 02:50.11 | waiting` | you could put runlevel 5 (i think) to make X start automatically |
| 02:50.15 | shogunx | lightning, gdm has an autologin feature. xdm too, iirc. |
| 02:50.21 | waiting` | and a shell script to make the login I think |
| 02:50.31 | waiting` | oh fuck |
| 02:50.50 | waiting` | so there's an easy way, uh? |
| 02:51.13 | shogunx | or inittab can run bash instead of a getty |
| 02:51.22 | shogunx | then a script |
| 02:51.24 | lightning | shogunx: but i tried setting the session there as "icewm" and it never logged in |
| 02:51.32 | shogunx | gdm is safer, imho |
| 02:51.50 | shogunx | lightning, with gdm? |
| 02:51.56 | lightning | yeah |
| 02:52.05 | shogunx | what did it do? |
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| 02:52.20 | lightning | it didn't auto login |
| 02:52.31 | lightning | i had it set to auto login gnome and it was working |
| 02:52.33 | lightning | but |
| 02:52.38 | lightning | it didn't work as icewm |
| 02:52.43 | lightning | or IceWM |
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| 02:53.12 | shogunx | hmm. you set this in session type at the graphic login dialog? |
| 02:53.29 | shogunx | or in the gdm config files? |
| 02:53.42 | lightning | gdm config file |
| 02:53.48 | lightning | something.d |
| 02:53.54 | lightning | init.d or something |
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| 02:54.20 | lightning | also when i use gdm i can't exec .xsession |
| 02:54.31 | lightning | or it doesn't on login |
| 02:54.40 | lightning | can i make a script somehow? is it difficult? |
| 02:54.54 | jetscreamer | you go into the settings from the gdm login menu, the tab all the way to the right sets user autologin |
| 02:55.21 | chaoticflaws | Is there a software raid program pre-installed in debian? |
| 02:55.23 | jetscreamer | they have changed the behavior/setup of gdm.conf |
| 02:55.42 | jetscreamer | the /etc/gdm/gdm.conf is empty by default |
| 02:56.01 | lightning | is that where i could put an xset command? |
| 02:56.06 | jetscreamer | the stock one is in /usr/share/gdm/default.conf i think.. but it wil be overwritten on upgrade |
| 02:56.12 | shogunx | you can also set a users default session at the login dialog |
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| 02:56.27 | shogunx | which 'might' work for you. |
| 02:56.36 | lightning | shogunx: i tried all of that and it didn't work |
| 02:56.47 | jetscreamer | (you put your gdm customizations in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf is the idea) |
| 02:56.55 | lightning | how else do people auto-login and auto startx? |
| 02:57.00 | Dinocrisis | hello |
| 02:57.02 | jetscreamer | and whatever you put overrides |
| 02:57.49 | n3kl | shogunx: I like it. Easy. Where can I find a list of commands and their syntax for operator and such? |
| 02:58.04 | karsten | n3kl: /sbin. /usr/sbin. |
| 02:58.06 | shogunx | n3kl, man and info pages should have that. |
| 02:58.31 | shogunx | karsten, specifically for ngircd for n3kl |
| 02:58.44 | karsten | n3kl: For a good thumbnail overview of same, O'Reilly's _Linux in a Nutshell_ is good. |
| 02:58.51 | karsten | shogunx: Ah, I missed that context. |
| 02:58.57 | karsten | n3kl: Nevermind. |
| 02:59.03 | n3kl | karsten: =] |
| 02:59.43 | lightning | and there's no other method of auto-login without a gdm? |
| 02:59.45 | shogunx | n3kl, /help also |
| 02:59.56 | waiting` | wtf? I've just ./etc/init.d/dhcp and got error. Tried without the dot and worked 0_o |
| 03:00.06 | n3kl | shogunx: I saw help, but there is no like /admin help |
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| 03:00.30 | karsten | lightning: sure, this is Linux, there's lots of ways to do things. But an X DM is going to be among the more standard and easier. Soem support a Kiost mode. |
| 03:00.53 | karsten | waiting`: ./some/path == relative path |
| 03:01.01 | karsten | waiting`: /some/path == absolute path. |
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| 03:01.11 | waiting` | i c. is that new? |
| 03:01.22 | karsten | waiting`: If there's not an etc/init.d/dhcp relative to your current location, sure, taht will break. |
| 03:01.22 | shogunx | n3kl, look at the scrollback on /help |
| 03:01.23 | waiting` | else i've forgotten |
| 03:01.25 | somian[0] | Wha??? |
| 03:01.25 | karsten | waiting`: Yeah. |
| 03:01.32 | karsten | waiting`: It was recently added. About 1973 |
| 03:01.37 | waiting` | lol |
| 03:01.39 | waiting` | yeah |
| 03:01.39 | waiting` | new |
| 03:01.44 | waiting` | :P |
| 03:02.02 | shogunx | n3kl, kick kickban, etc are there. |
| 03:02.12 | project9 | how to i copy from linux to windows ,windows partion is mounted |
| 03:02.34 | stoned | project9: ntfs or fat? |
| 03:02.39 | somian[0] | There were hippies. |
| 03:02.41 | karsten | project9: man cp. You'll need permissions to the Windows mount. /msg dpkg rwvfat |
| 03:03.02 | n3kl | shogunx: perhaps it is just the irc commands I need to get familiar with. I know how to join a channel and register my nick, the end. |
| 03:03.04 | stoned | karsten: dude, I wasn't even born 8 yeas after 1983 |
| 03:03.06 | n3kl | =] |
| 03:03.06 | stoned | er.. 63 |
| 03:03.10 | stoned | damn, 73 |
| 03:03.18 | karsten | stoned: Make up your mind. |
| 03:03.21 | somian[0] | eek wtf |
| 03:03.27 | stoned | 73 |
| 03:03.32 | stoned | 81 me |
| 03:03.38 | somian[0] | Thought I'd eliminated this one .. |
| 03:04.03 | karsten | ... but didn't inhale. |
| 03:04.24 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:04.25 | karsten | Feh. Too much free RAM. |
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| 03:04.40 | karsten | 16 1 0 30654504 1306928 19996472 0 0 1 334 2753 1212 50 8 31 10 |
| 03:04.48 | Dinocrisis | help me for alsa? alsaconf answers amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device |
| 03:04.50 | karsten | That's with 64 kernel builds running. |
| 03:04.57 | karsten | !tell Dinocrisis about set up sound |
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| 03:05.13 | shogunx | lightning, look at gdmsetup |
| 03:05.42 | shogunx | karsten, you are building 64 kernels concurrently? |
| 03:05.47 | n3kl | shogunx: well, thanks man. I just need something small, this looks like it |
| 03:06.04 | shogunx | n3kl, does the job great for my small purposes. |
| 03:06.51 | Dinocrisis | karsten: hda-intel VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High D |
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| 03:07.03 | karsten | shogunx: Yeah |
| 03:07.23 | shogunx | karsten, savage. load testing new boxen? |
| 03:07.24 | karsten | shogunx: My orders from my boss are: "Break this $60k server by Tuesday". |
| 03:07.30 | shogunx | hahaha |
| 03:07.35 | karsten | shogunx: Suspect RAM. Trying to exercise it all. |
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| 03:08.14 | chaoticflaws | karsten: try the crowbar and gasoline. Breaks a 60k server everytime :-D |
| 03:08.41 | karsten | chaoticflaws: He's established the requirement that I'm required to break it programmatically. |
| 03:08.41 | shogunx | karsten, tried stress? |
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| 03:09.37 | shogunx | hook up a small robot connected to a serial port to wield the crowbar? |
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| 03:09.59 | karsten | shogunx: Heh. |
| 03:10.09 | karsten | shogunx: Hrm. No. Unfortunately it's a RHEL3 box. |
| 03:10.20 | karsten | shogunx: I'm not averse to doing a chroot Debian install though. |
| 03:11.03 | shogunx | you could start installing random rpms. that broke every RH box i ever had:) |
| 03:11.04 | chaoticflaws | karsten: dang, bossses take the fun out of everything.... heh |
| 03:11.22 | shogunx | j/k |
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| 03:11.57 | waiting` | Hey, enlightment is cool |
| 03:12.01 | shogunx | rpmhell is what awakened me to debian and the joy of apt. |
| 03:12.05 | waiting` | light as fuck |
| 03:12.12 | Dinocrisis | karsten: ? |
| 03:12.17 | shogunx | waiting`, 16 or 17? |
| 03:12.23 | karsten | shogunx: That's not funny, that's true. |
| 03:12.28 | karsten | Dinocrisis: ?? |
| 03:12.31 | waiting` | the one that coms with etch? |
| 03:12.40 | krazykit | e16, then |
| 03:12.44 | shogunx | 16 then. |
| 03:12.51 | waiting` | whatever, is cool |
| 03:12.52 | shogunx | 17 has the bling! |
| 03:12.59 | waiting` | bling =? |
| 03:13.07 | krazykit | bling = pretty stuff |
| 03:13.11 | waiting` | ah |
| 03:13.17 | waiting` | so should i get the v17? |
| 03:13.20 | shogunx | name of default theme for E17 also |
| 03:13.32 | shogunx | waiting`, its a pain to build, but its worth it. |
| 03:13.41 | waiting` | hmm |
| 03:13.43 | krazykit | waiting`, only if you're willing to use unreleased code and deal with the occasional crash |
| 03:13.45 | shogunx | complete rewrite. |
| 03:13.49 | waiting` | pain to download too? |
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| 03:14.01 | krazykit | well, unreleased in that it's not yet alpha. |
| 03:14.07 | krazykit | waiting`, only a pain if you can't copy and paste |
| 03:14.08 | shogunx | waiting`, not really a pain on the dl. |
| 03:14.26 | waiting` | k k, gonna dl it |
| 03:14.35 | krazykit | waiting`, but for more information on this, check out get-e.org and enlightenment.org |
| 03:14.47 | krazykit | since it's technically OT here |
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| 03:14.54 | Dinocrisis | karsten: you can me for configure card audio and driver? |
| 03:14.55 | shogunx | waiting`, you will be pulling lots of cvs trees, and i recommend having apt-file installed to hunt down the necessary includes. |
| 03:15.03 | tarzeau | is someone able to convert bdf fonts into ttf/otf fonts? |
| 03:15.17 | karsten | Dinocrisis: Follow the factoid instructions. |
| 03:15.24 | Dinocrisis | keram: you can help me.... |
| 03:15.26 | karsten | Dinocrisis: No, can't help, sorry, about to split for the night. |
| 03:15.41 | shogunx | live long and prosper karsten |
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| 03:16.53 | dan2 | shogunx: evening |
| 03:17.17 | shogunx | dan2 howdy lad. how are things? |
| 03:17.24 | dan2 | good |
| 03:17.30 | karsten | shogunx: Thanks. |
| 03:18.00 | Dinocrisis | who can help me? |
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| 03:20.50 | loopdee | does anyone know what to do when you use xvnc4viewer -listen port , someone tries to connect and you see it , but not remote windows opens ? |
| 03:21.04 | karsten | Dinocrisis: Look in the mirror. That's your first resource. |
| 03:21.21 | karsten | Dinocrisis: Otherwise, ask your question, hope for an answer, and be prepared to do some research. |
| 03:21.25 | karsten | !tell Dinocrisis about repeat |
| 03:21.29 | stoned | Dinocrisis: install alsa and as root type alsaconf |
| 03:21.32 | karsten | Dinocrisis: Yoru answer may be elsewhere. |
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| 03:21.59 | stoned | Dinocrisis: that should pretty much take care of installing it |
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| 03:22.05 | stoned | unless you have a goofy ass sound card |
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| 03:26.19 | waiting` | I really like that enlightment is light and it's eye candy. I hope it's not too hard to make some GUIs |
| 03:26.38 | Caelum | people still use enlightenment? |
| 03:26.41 | waiting` | i like the sliding desktops |
| 03:27.13 | shogunx | Caelum, looking at E17 on xinerama dual display right now. |
| 03:27.23 | waiting` | it's kind of a perfect desktop environment for a server |
| 03:27.42 | Caelum | servers shouldn't be running desktops :) |
| 03:27.51 | waiting` | I agree |
| 03:27.52 | waiting` | but |
| 03:28.00 | shogunx | waiting`, try Ctrl + Alt + insert |
| 03:28.07 | waiting` | sometimes a little of graphics shit is needed ;D |
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| 03:28.41 | robnyc | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 18401 package `file': |
| 03:28.42 | robnyc | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.42 | robnyc | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code ( .. what does this means |
| 03:28.43 | shogunx | Caelum, stocking up on the null modem cables, eh? |
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| 03:29.10 | MrDeaLER | does anyone know how to specify more than one next-server in dhcp isc |
| 03:29.51 | waiting` | los shogunx: it popped an error screen. I thought for a second that it had crashed (too bad cause I was downloading stuff) |
| 03:29.55 | waiting` | lol* |
| 03:30.13 | shogunx | waiting`, ahh. install eterm also;) |
| 03:30.40 | waiting` | will do it in a second |
| 03:31.20 | Caelum | robnyc: edit the file, or cp /var/lib/dpkg/available-old /var/lib/dpkg |
| 03:31.44 | waiting` | Caelum: Emacs works better under an X environment. Complex keystrokes like C-M-S-v dont work well in bare console (should't be like that though) |
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| 03:32.01 | robnyc | Caelum, thanks but its saying its the same file |
| 03:32.28 | Caelum | robnyc: oops, I meant cp /var/lib/dpkg/available-old /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 03:32.45 | Dinocrisis | stoned: and karsten http://pastebin.com/m3adf1b3a |
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| 03:33.04 | robnyc | hehe Caelum |
| 03:33.16 | robnyc | same error though |
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| 03:34.21 | aib | caelum, i completely disagree with waiting`. i have been using `emacs -nw' for years. i personally dislike the emacs GUI |
| 03:34.44 | Caelum | robnyc: in that case, edit the file and remove that package... |
| 03:35.08 | robnyc | Caelum, i dont know what package it is exactly though |
| 03:35.21 | robnyc | since im running apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:35.31 | Caelum | robnyc: it gives you the line number |
| 03:35.41 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.43 | robnyc | Caelum, how do i go to that line # :) |
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| 03:36.52 | Caelum | robnyc: in vim it's just :18401 what editor do you use? |
| 03:37.10 | Caelum | now if only rxvt-unicode had 256 color support it would be perfect... |
| 03:37.11 | robnyc | Caelum, this install only has vi atm |
| 03:37.21 | Caelum | robnyc: same thing in vi |
| 03:37.24 | ricky | or 18401G :) |
| 03:38.41 | robnyc | Caelum, trying |
| 03:38.51 | robnyc | Caelum, no luck at all |
| 03:38.55 | robnyc | should i erase the whole thing? |
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| 03:39.40 | loopdee | would anyone know why a window would not open by itself when trying a reverse vnc connection ? vncviewer shows a connection... but no window opens .. |
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| 03:40.41 | Dinocrisis | karsten: ok, thanks |
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| 03:41.50 | Caelum | robnyc: try dpkg --clear-avail |
| 03:41.59 | aib | loopdee, can you do a forward connection? are you mistakenly specifying the port when you should specify the X window, or vice versa? |
| 03:42.46 | robnyc | Caelum, wow your the man |
| 03:43.05 | loopdee | aib, i can do a forward connection to other locations running a server, but for this client i would like him to connect to me so i can see his desktop id xnvcviewer -listen port on my end, |
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| 03:43.33 | waiting` | aib: What version of emacs are you using? |
| 03:43.46 | aib | waiting`, 21/22 depending on host |
| 03:43.46 | robnyc | Caelum, but another issue arrised =\ http://pastebin.ca/635503 |
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| 03:44.36 | loopdee | aib, he initiates the connection and my viewer sees that but no window, i tried using -display :0 or just 0, still no luck |
| 03:44.40 | waiting` | well, i'm using 21 and whenever I hit C-Tab in console it ignores the control. When I hit C-M-S-v it ignores the Shift. All this doesn't happen in X |
| 03:45.00 | aib | what's your console app? |
| 03:45.14 | aib | to waiting` |
| 03:45.23 | waiting` | bash |
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| 03:45.25 | waiting` | err |
| 03:45.28 | waiting` | what do you mean? |
| 03:45.34 | aib | that's your shell... |
| 03:45.40 | waiting` | bash |
| 03:45.44 | MrDeaLER | how do you do tftp redundancy :( |
| 03:45.49 | aib | in KDE it would be Konsole, in gnome it would be gnome-terminal, typically |
| 03:45.57 | Caelum | robnyc: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub.list and add a newline at the end |
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| 03:46.09 | waiting` | well. I am in *bare* console |
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| 03:46.17 | waiting` | using emacs in a framebuffered console |
| 03:46.36 | robnyc | Caelum, its all full of @@@@@@@@@@@@@ =\ |
| 03:46.44 | waiting` | 1290x1024 and no X server |
| 03:46.53 | Caelum | robnyc: something is wrong with your machine... |
| 03:46.59 | Caelum | robnyc: have you fscked recently? |
| 03:47.08 | waiting` | and believe me aib that some keystrokes don't work well |
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| 03:47.18 | robnyc | Caelum, no is probably jfs or when i canceled the software update when it was going by mistake |
| 03:47.56 | aib | waiting`, terminal code translation is complicated because you can't fit everything on a modern keyboard into 8 bits, but you can encode all characters |
| 03:48.14 | waiting` | so? |
| 03:48.27 | waiting` | any idea about how to fix this? |
| 03:48.49 | waiting` | cause the only way I've found yet to make emacs work the way it should is using X server |
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| 03:49.11 | waiting` | therefore enlightenment (just installed Xorg) |
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| 03:50.17 | waiting` | aib: scroll down |
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| 03:50.51 | somian[0] | .oO(we have people here who can read irc in the future?) |
| 03:50.55 | Caelum | robnyc: just put one line in it like /sbin/update-grub for now, it will get overwritten when you upgrade |
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| 03:51.02 | Caelum | robnyc: you should probably run a fsck though |
| 03:51.14 | robnyc | i just installed Caelum though |
| 03:51.19 | robnyc | what line do i put there |
| 03:51.28 | aib | guys, i suggest you log off freenode NOW |
| 03:51.36 | aib | the future...is not good :) |
| 03:52.18 | Caelum | robnyc: but you're doing a dist-upgrade aren't you? |
| 03:52.29 | robnyc | Caelum, yep |
| 03:52.39 | robnyc | but i had clicked cancel earlier by mistake |
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| 03:53.15 | aib | the real emacs gurus are waiting` for you in #emacs |
| 03:53.37 | Caelum | ok, just put /sbin/upgrade-grub in the file, or salvage whatever file list is left in it |
| 03:53.52 | shogunx | aib you mean gnurus, eh? |
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| 03:54.05 | aib | :) |
| 03:54.44 | robnyc | Caelum, i dont understand |
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| 03:55.00 | mattbX | can anyone help me with getting gethostbyname and gethostbyaddr working with apache+php chrooted??? |
| 03:56.08 | Caelum | robnyc: put "/sbin/update-grub" into /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub.list |
| 03:56.33 | Caelum | mattbX: put an /etc/hosts and an /etc/resolv.conf into your chroot |
| 03:56.49 | mattbX | Caelum both are already there |
| 03:56.54 | mattbX | the name server is local though.. |
| 03:56.57 | onikazi | hi, does anyone use internet phone. I was wondering what the best service (linphone, skype, vontage, or other) is best to use on debian and which phones are the most compatible with debian. |
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| 03:57.38 | robnyc | Caelum, and then continue ? |
| 03:58.03 | robnyc | guess the same errors =\ |
| 03:58.05 | robnyc | brb thanks |
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| 03:59.14 | shogunx | onikazi, voip-info.org has an exhaustive list of sip providers, pstn termination providers, and other various and assorted related services. twinkle is popular as a sip client, from my experience. |
| 03:59.18 | Caelum | mattbX: does the "host" command work? can you ping stuff? |
| 04:00.08 | mattbX | Caelum let me check |
| 04:02.12 | beoba | hi, how do i change my timezone via the terminal |
| 04:02.12 | beoba | i've tried changing symlinks and such in /etc/, but rebooting makes it lose any such changes |
| 04:02.12 | beoba | my computer seems doomed to live in CST |
| 04:03.30 | onikazi | shogunx: thanks I'll check it out the only thing I could find was someone saying there was a problem with skype on a version before etch. Do you know if just any phone will work like most USB devices? Or will only certain ones work right like printers? |
| 04:04.30 | mattbX | Caelum no host is not there |
| 04:05.33 | aib | boeba, isn't there an environment variable that controls timezone? |
| 04:05.38 | aib | *beoba |
| 04:06.04 | shogunx | onikazi, i have not personally tested any of the usb variety. i use a grandstream handytone 286 analog telephone adapter with a plain old phone plugged into it, and a sip--> pstn termination provider. it connects via ethernet, is symmetrical NAT friendly, and has a http configuration interface. |
| 04:06.11 | Caelum | mattbX: no idea then... |
| 04:06.23 | aib | beoba, for me i've got: TZ=America/Denver in my ~/.bashrc |
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| 04:07.08 | shogunx | onikazi, the only thing i would say about skype is that its a closed protocol, so i steered clear. |
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| 04:08.20 | mattbX | Caelum do i need to have host in the chroot for php to resolve hosts? |
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| 04:09.30 | metbsd | is there a command to upgrade allllll pkgs? |
| 04:09.34 | beoba | aib: i do not have tz set there |
| 04:09.35 | aib | shogunx, as long as by "closed" you mean "reverse engineered" :) http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~salman/publications/cucs-039-04.pdf |
| 04:09.41 | beoba | aib: surely there's a system-wide setting for this |
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| 04:10.03 | aib | can't help you there. try this setting then come back for more. |
| 04:10.45 | metbsd | please give me a command to upgrade alllll pkgs in system |
| 04:11.17 | onikazi | shogunx: thanks, I didn't even know you could use a regular phone. I wasn't really sure if I wanted to use skype or vontage. I was thinking about buying a skype compatible USB speaker phone from best buy and maybe using Linphone or something else instead of skype or vontage. I just didn't want to drop $60 or more on a phone that won't work on Debian or with a different service. |
| 04:11.27 | aib | apt-get -y dist-upgrade |
| 04:11.59 | aib | you've got to update local info about packages first though, so you know what's available: sudo apt-get update i believe |
| 04:12.51 | aib | onikazi, vonage's business has come into question several times lately. i would steer clear! it's not their fault, but rather FCC regulations. nonetheless, the service could go away, whereas skype is stable |
| 04:13.00 | beoba | init.d/cupsys:if [ -z "$TZ" -a -e /etc/timezone ]; then |
| 04:13.02 | beoba | init.d/cupsys: TZ=`cat /etc/timezone` |
| 04:13.02 | beoba | init.d/cupsys: export TZ |
| 04:13.04 | shogunx | aib, thanks. thats very interesting. |
| 04:13.06 | beoba | that changes it on reboot |
| 04:13.18 | beoba | however: |
| 04:13.20 | beoba | # cat /etc/timezone |
| 04:13.22 | beoba | America/New_York |
| 04:13.30 | beoba | so there's no reason for it to be reverting to central time |
| 04:13.39 | beoba | unless there's some Debian Way utility that i'm supposed to be using |
| 04:13.54 | beoba | (hence why im here asking about it) |
| 04:13.59 | onikazi | aib: so the hardware is not as much an issue than as the provider? |
| 04:14.09 | aib | onikazi, that's my understanding |
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| 04:16.21 | metbsd | please give me a command to upgrade alllll pkgs in system, all of them |
| 04:16.23 | onikazi | aib: thanks, I'll check out some providers. I'm still a n00b to Linux only been actively using it about 6 months, do you have suggestions? |
| 04:16.47 | aib | beoba, glibc checks /etc/timezone for the timezone |
| 04:17.25 | aib | sorry, /etc/localtime |
| 04:18.06 | aib | beoba, did you reboot after setting it in your bash profile? that should definitely percolate down to all other settings |
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| 04:18.14 | shogunx | onikazi, essentially correct. integrated sip phone, analog telephone adapter, softphone, etc. is a matter of preference. the stability and features of your provider are really key to your telephony experience. you could go as far as to install asterisk and do the backhaul yourself with the IAX protocol. |
| 04:19.18 | shogunx | onikazi, dan2 knows about this intimately, and could likely make a better suggestion, if he is still around and willing to share. |
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| 04:19.35 | dan2 | yes? |
| 04:19.58 | onikazi | shogunx: thanks alot for all of your help. |
| 04:20.18 | shogunx | dan2 oh, onikazi was looking for suggestions for a voip setup |
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| 04:20.37 | dan2 | shogunx, onikazi: linksys pap2t |
| 04:20.38 | dan2 | ;) |
| 04:21.16 | shogunx | carrier recommendation as well, if you have a favorite. |
| 04:21.30 | metbsd | how do i upgrade allllll packages? |
| 04:21.30 | onikazi | dan2: I'm still a n00b with Linux and debian |
| 04:21.41 | dan2 | you want a softphone? |
| 04:21.51 | dan2 | shogunx: no preference here |
| 04:22.29 | onikazi | I was considering a usb speaker phone from best buy that is skype compatible |
| 04:23.15 | onikazi | not that I really want to use skype or vontage |
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| 04:25.38 | dan2 | onikazi: I wouldn't recommend that |
| 04:25.58 | dan2 | usb speakerphone is just a usb audio device |
| 04:26.09 | jetscreamer | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:26.13 | metbsd | how do i upgrade allllll packages? |
| 04:26.18 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 04:26.28 | dan2 | ~tell metbsd about dist-upgrade |
| 04:26.29 | beoba | aib: the timezone is being incorrectly set system-wide |
| 04:26.38 | beoba | so changing a per-user file definitely will not fix anything |
| 04:26.40 | onikazi | dan2: thanks, that's why I wanted to ask here before I did something stupid. |
| 04:26.41 | waiting` | hey shogunx, is there any package that shows a neat cpu load graphic and shit like that? |
| 04:26.47 | metbsd | i tried dist-upgrade, but packages are still old |
| 04:26.53 | jetscreamer | apt-get update first |
| 04:27.06 | metbsd | i did that |
| 04:27.07 | jetscreamer | and etch will be |
| 04:27.10 | metbsd | still old |
| 04:27.18 | stoned | nero for linux is SWEET! |
| 04:27.20 | dan2 | shogunx: you know, when I first spoke with you, I couldn't code my way out of a wet paper sack, let alone know anything about voip |
| 04:27.20 | jetscreamer | what are you running |
| 04:27.26 | metbsd | and why not aptitude? |
| 04:27.36 | jetscreamer | aptitude, apt-get.. whichever |
| 04:27.41 | metbsd | why somebody tell me about apt-get, some aptitude |
| 04:27.44 | jetscreamer | i'm old and stuck in my ways |
| 04:27.53 | metbsd | and all of them tell me don't use both of them |
| 04:27.55 | metbsd | so confusing |
| 04:28.02 | jetscreamer | just substitute anything that say apt-get with aptitude |
| 04:28.03 | cast | just use aptitude |
| 04:28.03 | shogunx | waiting`, gkrellm is a good one graphicall, and htop is nice for a console app |
| 04:28.10 | jetscreamer | they're interchangeable |
| 04:28.26 | onikazi | dan2: so all I need to do is buy linksys pap2t and set up a provider like linphone? |
| 04:28.39 | jimlocker | are there any debian packages that give a bit more um... leverage into various gnome desktop settings, aside from the registry^Wconfig editor? |
| 04:28.39 | waiting` | cool |
| 04:28.41 | dan2 | onikazi: linphone is a softphone, not a provider |
| 04:28.53 | shogunx | dan2 well, its been years since then, and your knowledge has grown exponentially. |
| 04:28.53 | waiting` | thanks shogunx |
| 04:28.56 | waiting` | :) |
| 04:29.04 | jetscreamer | !info gcon-editor |
| 04:29.06 | jetscreamer | err |
| 04:29.08 | jetscreamer | !info gconf-editor |
| 04:29.54 | dan2 | shogunx: I can code in something like 7 different languages now, and with full knowledge of sip/rtp/h.264 ;) |
| 04:29.56 | dpkg | gconf-editor: (An editor for the GConf configuration system), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.18.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 421 kB, Installed size: 1992 kB |
| 04:30.28 | shogunx | onikazi, i would recommend my provider, but they are not accepting new customers unless you are buying lots of service from them, like enterprise wide. |
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| 04:30.52 | dan2 | onikazi: look for a provider that offers bringing your own device |
| 04:30.59 | shogunx | dan2 I know, its very gratifying to see you progress. |
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| 04:31.48 | dan2 | onikazi: broadvoice supports that (I used to do business with them) |
| 04:31.57 | jimlocker | another silly question, kinda OT... i've got an ext3 /boot and a reiserfs /, and i compiled myself a non initrd kernel with static ext2, ext3, and reiserfs support. ... is there some obvious reason this wouldn't work? grub can read ext3. the kernel's got reiserfs support built right in. it panics before it can mount / |
| 04:32.09 | onikazi | shogunx: thanks |
| 04:32.21 | jetscreamer | you missed something |
| 04:32.30 | Kevin` | jimlocker you probably forgot something else, support for drive controller maybe |
| 04:32.51 | jetscreamer | it's not really ot though.. as you can see... |
| 04:32.53 | jetscreamer | !initrd |
| 04:32.53 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 04:32.58 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 04:32.58 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 04:33.05 | jetscreamer | et al |
| 04:33.09 | onikazi | dan2: thanks I'll look up broadvoice. |
| 04:33.47 | jimlocker | oh i use kernel-package, i just never fiddled with other fs's before |
| 04:33.49 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 04:33.53 | dan2 | shogunx: I want my own business... one that doesn't require my daily involvement, but me as the business owner |
| 04:34.05 | jetscreamer | you say grub can read ext... the kernel needs it compiled in |
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| 04:34.10 | jimlocker | I've decided I have to try them all to find out which kinds sounds the best. |
| 04:34.17 | dan2 | shogunx: I'm willing to be the driver up unto the point where I can leave daily operations... not sure what I want to go after yet |
| 04:34.18 | qazwsx | apt-cache search etables brings up nothin g... does debian not provid etables? |
| 04:34.34 | jetscreamer | iptables? |
| 04:34.42 | jetscreamer | and try apt-file |
| 04:34.46 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 04:34.46 | dpkg | somebody said search was try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 04:34.46 | shogunx | dan2 the closest i have had to that was a net-cafe in a hotel that i only had to show up at to collect the funds. |
| 04:35.45 | shogunx | dan2 i suggest some type of service provider with recurring revenue that you can oversee the boxen remotely, and hire somebody to admin. |
| 04:35.46 | jetscreamer | there was something named xtables in the kernel... not sure what's up with that |
| 04:35.49 | dan2 | shogunx: I came up with an optimized real estate business idea and sold it |
| 04:36.07 | qazwsx | iptables can't rewirte mac addresses can it? |
| 04:36.11 | qazwsx | I heard etables can do that |
| 04:36.16 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 04:36.19 | qazwsx | it's like nat, but rewrite mac addresses |
| 04:36.23 | qazwsx | for running xen vm's |
| 04:36.47 | dan2 | shogunx: 3d modeling of renovations of home, bid process for contractors (transparent to the customer), billing through central organization that manages quality control and payments |
| 04:36.50 | shogunx | qazwsx macchanger in the vm might work. |
| 04:37.28 | dan2 | shogunx: the design was optimized for quality and time in that order |
| 04:37.36 | qazwsx | I can't change it in the VM, I need it to be rewirtten on the way out |
| 04:37.41 | qazwsx | otherwise it'll conflict with the real one |
| 04:38.56 | dan2 | shogunx: recurring revenue is not my cup of tea |
| 04:39.00 | shogunx | dan2 something like that, but build it and operate it till its mostly automated instead of selling it. |
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| 04:39.30 | dan2 | shogunx: I'd rather build something that could make money in a limited time window than one with recurring revenue, and sell it |
| 04:39.39 | shogunx | dan2 a few bucks an hour for tourists' net access at a terminal did me right;) |
| 04:39.54 | dan2 | :) |
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| 04:40.46 | shogunx | and boy was that debian on alpha serving it sweet. |
| 04:40.55 | osmosis | any ideas? http://dpaste.com/15441/ |
| 04:41.37 | metbsd | i tried update and dist-upgrade, but packages are still old |
| 04:41.46 | dan2 | shogunx: I want a business where I can sell products and/or services, and I have no preference for any specific field except that it can't be real estate |
| 04:42.19 | shogunx | dan2 covenant restricting competition on the sale agreement? |
| 04:42.37 | shogunx | osmosis acpi=off OR nohpet passed to the kernel perhaps? |
| 04:42.38 | dan2 | shogunx: doesn't matter to me |
| 04:42.46 | dan2 | shogunx: I don't do anything more than once |
| 04:42.52 | shogunx | ahhh. |
| 04:43.17 | osmosis | shogunx: whats nohpet ? |
| 04:43.36 | shogunx | osmosis no high precision event timer |
| 04:43.38 | osmosis | or the pci=routeirq |
| 04:43.44 | dan2 | I want a business that I can either buy, or build from the ground up where I can utilize mine and other people's expertise to greatly improve the value of the business and sell it |
| 04:43.45 | shogunx | right |
| 04:43.49 | dan2 | shogunx: ^^ |
| 04:44.02 | osmosis | shogunx: its just that im working on a remote server, so I dont want to break it. |
| 04:44.04 | shogunx | dan2 lets move this to another channel, eh? |
| 04:44.07 | dan2 | k |
| 04:44.10 | dan2 | shogunx: im? |
| 04:44.13 | shogunx | sure |
| 04:46.19 | shogunx | osmosis hmm. i assume no remote reboot/serial console capability? |
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| 04:53.50 | SchemerNate | Nothing is broken with libc or gcc G++ or any thing right? also isn't there some command to check that. |
| 04:54.37 | MasterGH | Hi, it seems the version of nvidia-settings in etch doesn't work with the legacy drivers, does anyone here know where I might find an older version that does? |
| 04:55.14 | jetscreamer | !archive |
| 04:55.14 | dpkg | hmm... archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 04:55.27 | jetscreamer | maybe after maybe |
| 04:55.58 | MasterGH | thanks, I'll check there |
| 04:57.32 | jetscreamer | or |
| 04:57.35 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 04:57.35 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 04:58.06 | jetscreamer | pyrric dolemite ore |
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| 04:59.16 | jetscreamer | PhallicDoritO |
| 04:59.57 | semprix | guys is A4 tech wireless keyboard and mouse supported on debian? |
| 05:00.20 | Kevin` | probably, it's just a keyboard and mouse |
| 05:00.23 | cast | semprix: if it plugs into usb or ps2 i'd say so |
| 05:00.28 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 05:00.33 | jetscreamer | a wireless that plugs in eh |
| 05:00.36 | jetscreamer | wtg |
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| 05:00.43 | cast | jetscreamer: yes, the little hub.. |
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| 05:00.47 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 05:00.48 | mmcji | howdee |
| 05:00.49 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 05:00.54 | semprix | cast, id say usb |
| 05:01.06 | semprix | connecting through IR |
| 05:01.35 | Kevin` | i've heard bad things about wireless keyboards+mouse, related to the wireless part bieng unstable |
| 05:02.03 | semprix | :( |
| 05:02.12 | mmcji | looking for an application i can run for remote desktop management, Besides vnc and freenx? need to run the server the linux box. any opinions? |
| 05:02.15 | cast | Kevin`: i've found it quite stable, with my logitech stuff. but i stopped using wireless kb, on account of the kb could work down the hallway a bit figured it was a security issue |
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| 05:02.45 | semprix | security issue? on what sense |
| 05:02.57 | cast | mmcji: x runs over the network fine, though you'd want a lan for that |
| 05:03.26 | cast | semprix: in the sense of broadcasting your keystrokes |
| 05:03.42 | cast | semprix: mine wasn't IR, though. i can imagine IR not making it far |
| 05:04.03 | mmcji | well, actually, this would not traverse the net at all |
| 05:04.11 | cafuego | mmcji: vnc over ssh |
| 05:04.29 | mmcji | besides vnc |
| 05:04.48 | cast | mmcji: if its a trusted network you can just use x straight over it, if its untrusted then you can use x over ssh - but that obviously has a hit to it |
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| 05:05.02 | mmcji | im working on tunneling vnc via ssl and would like another rermote desktop connection as a backup |
| 05:05.09 | semprix | well its not a big deal on my part |
| 05:05.13 | semprix | its just home use |
| 05:05.16 | mmcji | just local lan |
| 05:05.23 | semprix | i guess no body is sniffing aroung |
| 05:05.25 | semprix | around* |
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| 05:05.40 | MasterGH | found the old file i needed on a mirror that didn't remove it hehe, bye! |
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| 05:05.51 | Kevin` | mmcji backup? just keep an ssh server running, you can always fix things from that |
| 05:05.59 | mmcji | i have never used x that way..cool, got a good url with documentation i can read through, something you recommend or just google it |
| 05:06.11 | mmcji | already have ssh and vnc running fine |
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| 05:06.35 | tuzhila | hi all |
| 05:06.43 | lightning | hi |
| 05:06.49 | mmcji | cast: with x, can i see my desktop just like using vnc? |
| 05:07.17 | Kevin` | mmcji technically yes, but you normally don't use it like that |
| 05:07.24 | cast | yip. |
| 05:07.35 | Kevin` | mmcji you normally use it networked to run programs on the remote computer and have them display locally |
| 05:07.59 | mmcji | k |
| 05:08.16 | Kevin` | mmcji you can, of course, have more then one desktop running at once |
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| 05:08.55 | mmcji | like screen i guess |
| 05:09.11 | Kevin` | kindasortano |
| 05:10.08 | mmcji | i have aways read that about x but i have never known anyone that actually used x that way. I certainly have not..it did not even occur to me |
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| 05:11.08 | osmosis | what is , Probably buggy MP table. |
| 05:11.20 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/sshexample.jpg - including taking a screenshot remotely because I don't have the tool installed on my pc :) |
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| 05:11.33 | mmcji | thanks cast cafuego and kevin, i will read up on that. one last question. anyone know if there is a rdp server for linux? |
| 05:11.40 | Kevin` | mmcji there is |
| 05:12.06 | mmcji | can i apt-get that? |
| 05:12.16 | Kevin` | *shrug* |
| 05:12.24 | mmcji | lol |
| 05:12.28 | Kevin` | I never had a reason to use it |
| 05:12.57 | mmcji | me neither |
| 05:13.26 | mmcji | thanks everyone one! have a really great night or morning whereever ya'll are! |
| 05:13.31 | Kevin` | btw, learn something from that screenshot, if your not careful, the person on the other end can view and mess with your X session (which would only be you if you owned the computer) |
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| 05:22.45 | lightning | Kevin`: do you know how to setup an auto-login for startx |
| 05:22.50 | lightning | Kevin`: aka icewm |
| 05:23.38 | Kevin` | lightning auto login on boot, you mean? |
| 05:24.06 | lightning | yes |
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| 05:24.32 | lightning | and startx so that .xsession execs icewm-session |
| 05:24.39 | Kevin` | if this is for general use I recommend you use a login manager like gdm |
| 05:24.51 | Kevin` | will give you a login screen and timeout for default user |
| 05:25.03 | lightning | no thanks |
| 05:25.22 | Kevin` | then just run startx as the user in question, should work |
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| 05:26.01 | lightning | yeah but i'd like to eventually bypass the login and startx |
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| 05:26.23 | Kevin` | I mean from an init script like rc.local |
| 05:26.31 | harold | hi! |
| 05:26.44 | harold | is anybody in there? |
| 05:26.48 | Kevin` | no |
| 05:26.51 | lightning | Kevin`: do you know what to put in rc.local? |
| 05:27.22 | Kevin` | lightning su user -c startx&, perhaps? |
| 05:28.34 | lightning | Kevin`: just enter that as the last line? |
| 05:28.39 | Gokee2 | Hello all, I have a problem with my keyboard on a desktop computer. I notice it when playing "supertux" (got back from my trip and wanted to beat a level that was annoying my before I let my game playing skills gather dust again) I am limited to two key`s at the same time. Eg I try and duck with down arrow as well as jump and move to the side it will not work. I have tried other moves with more the three keys and the third key is always l |
| 05:28.39 | Gokee2 | eft out. Even after I let of the first two keys I have to release the third and push it down again before it does anything. On my laptop I can do three or more keys at once just fine. I checked the xorg config in the keyboard section and the only diffrence I could find was " Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30"" on my laptop but not on the desktop so I added it to the desktop and restarted the xserver but still have the same problem. Any ideas? |
| 05:28.41 | Kevin` | yes |
| 05:28.41 | Gokee2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.57 | lightning | is there supposed to be a space after startx |
| 05:29.14 | Kevin` | lightning doesn't amtter |
| 05:29.24 | lightning | okay, i'll try it |
| 05:29.26 | lightning | brb |
| 05:29.34 | lightning | will this still prompt for password? |
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| 05:29.53 | Kevin` | Gokee2 you might try using different keys on the keyboard, which you can press at the same time depends on the electrical layout |
| 05:30.01 | Kevin` | no lightning |
| 05:30.12 | Kevin` | nor would using gdm... |
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| 05:31.06 | lightning | Kevin`: brb, thanks so much, let me give it a go |
| 05:31.20 | Gokee2 | Kevin`, Hmm I see, I will try others... |
| 05:32.04 | Gokee2 | Kevin`, Do you know of a better way of testing then starting supertux and seeing what moves I can do? Like a utility to tell my what keys are pressed? |
| 05:32.31 | Kevin` | Gokee2 in X, xev |
| 05:32.37 | Kevin` | in console, getkey iirc |
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| 05:32.41 | Kevin` | or readkey |
| 05:32.44 | Kevin` | something like that |
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| 05:33.13 | lightning | Kevin`: ? |
| 05:33.15 | lightning | are you there |
| 05:33.21 | Kevin` | no |
| 05:33.23 | lightning | :D |
| 05:33.35 | lightning | well i saw some text fly by and it said unknown: user |
| 05:33.48 | lightning | do i need to edit that file to supply "brandon" or "root |
| 05:33.52 | Kevin` | .... |
| 05:33.55 | Kevin` | don't tell me you did that |
| 05:34.00 | Kevin` | please don't :) |
| 05:34.07 | Kevin` | of course you need to supple brandin |
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| 05:36.40 | lightning | missed it, sorry |
| 05:36.41 | lightning | brb |
| 05:36.45 | Gokee2 | Hmm xrev does not register them all pressed at once :/ Do other desktop keyboards support this multi key pressing? |
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| 05:38.20 | lightning | Kevin`: it didn't work |
| 05:38.32 | Kevin` | what did it do |
| 05:38.33 | cast | i can use 3 keys at once |
| 05:39.16 | lightning | Kevin`: i believe it logged in brandon, but i had to still hit enter, login, and startx |
| 05:39.36 | Kevin` | lightning there was no error from the script? |
| 05:39.45 | lightning | let me check again, brb |
| 05:39.53 | Gokee2 | Odd I can use Space and from the numpad 5 and 6 but not space and 5 and 4 |
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| 05:40.32 | Kevin` | pile is a better idea |
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| 05:40.38 | verboz | hi all |
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| 05:40.52 | verboz | how to install rewirite rule+apache in debian server |
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| 05:41.47 | lightning | Kevin`: something about authorize xserver |
| 05:41.50 | lightning | it went by quickly |
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| 05:44.57 | lightning | brb |
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| 05:45.35 | Gokee2 | Ok now I have a brand new keyboard |
| 05:45.47 | Gokee2 | Well used keyboard... |
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| 05:45.55 | lightning | back |
| 05:45.57 | Gokee2 | Its kindof stiff |
| 05:46.15 | Gokee2 | O well the last one I picked was the best of the pile for key pressing |
| 05:46.46 | Gokee2 | This keyboard however supports all three keys down at the same time |
| 05:47.06 | Gokee2 | Plus it has cool little extra keys build in :) |
| 05:47.28 | Gokee2 | I am having to correct a lot of the things I type though :( |
| 05:47.35 | SPUI | no im not used to my keaboard tahst why i type badly |
| 05:47.57 | Gokee2 | hehe its good to switch every one in a while |
| 05:48.09 | Gokee2 | That way I can blame all my bad spelling on the keyboard |
| 05:48.30 | Gokee2 | I rather liked the feel of the ick "emachines" keyboard |
| 05:48.34 | phuzion | god, I've been using the same keyboard since probably 1994 |
| 05:48.53 | Gokee2 | This HP keyboard has a really annoying feel to it |
| 05:48.56 | MooingLemur | I wore off the A and S keys on my saitek backlit one. |
| 05:49.06 | Misocainea | MooingLemur: Which saitek one? |
| 05:49.13 | phuzion | I have no letters on my WASD keys at all |
| 05:49.15 | phuzion | Too much gaming |
| 05:49.18 | Gokee2 | THis keyboard is also nasty looking |
| 05:49.25 | Gokee2 | I should wash the keys |
| 05:49.58 | Gokee2 | Hmm not should, will, the more I look at it the less I want to touch it... |
| 05:50.24 | phuzion | a butter knife works well |
| 05:50.32 | MooingLemur | eclipse blue one |
| 05:50.42 | verboz | have pb to install rewrite module with a debien server |
| 05:50.46 | verboz | can you help me? |
| 05:51.08 | Misocainea | MooingLemur: ah nice, I bought their gamig keyboard, hate the backlighting on it |
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| 05:51.24 | Gokee2 | phuzion, Not when you live in the attic and the butter knife is three floors down.... |
| 05:51.29 | Misocainea | it doesn't actually light the keys, it's stupid |
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| 05:54.21 | stew | verboz: are you using apache or apache2? |
| 05:54.29 | verboz | 2 |
| 05:54.40 | stew | verboz: run "a2enmod rewrite" |
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| 05:55.05 | verboz | -bash: a2enmod: command not found |
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| 05:55.17 | stew | verboz: as root |
| 05:55.56 | rossMoHaX | hi! how to install lilo on /dev/hdc if later (on other pc) it will be /dev/hda ?? I install it with "lilo -b /dev/hdc -C new.lilo.conf" and no success =( there is boot=/dev/hda in config file present. |
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| 06:00.48 | jimlocker | is a concept like "stripping unwanted stuff out of a kernel for speed and size" even meaningful on modern hardware that isn't running in a balls-to-the-wall server setting? |
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| 06:02.44 | harold | the problem is this: When I try to install debian, at the moment that the system try to detect and mount CD-ROM the installation fail. Because the sistem didn't find an apropiate module for my cd-rom |
| 06:02.46 | marc7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.53 | marc7 | oops, unintended enter key. |
| 06:04.11 | harold | so i check lspci and I find somthing like this: : IDE Interface: Marvell Technology Ltd. Unknow device 6101 |
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| 06:05.09 | harold | i check dmesg and the only that i find is: "probing IDE interface ide0..." |
| 06:05.14 | marc7 | jimlocker: man, I hope I'm not crazy for doing exactly that. I mean, I'm hardening it for a server environment, and I'm learning lots in the process, but it sure isn't in a balls-to-the-wall processing setup... and I feel that it's really overkill most days |
| 06:05.37 | harold | "probing interface ide1", with nothing else |
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| 06:06.32 | lightning | Kevin`: are you here? |
| 06:06.37 | Kevin` | no |
| 06:06.45 | lightning | liar |
| 06:06.51 | harold | does anybody have a sugestion? |
| 06:06.54 | lightning | yeah, it's not working |
| 06:07.06 | lightning | but my keyboard shortcuts are really tweaked |
| 06:07.22 | lightning | Kevin`: what wm do you run?> |
| 06:07.28 | Kevin` | fluxbox |
| 06:07.32 | lightning | nice |
| 06:07.46 | lightning | have you compared it to icewm? |
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| 06:15.01 | jimlocker | So it definitely isn't something left out of the kernel. Probably one of the patches I stuck in. |
| 06:15.15 | jimlocker | I dumped the config right out of the one that works |
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| 06:20.05 | verboz | i've pb now with pdo |
| 06:20.06 | verboz | Impossible de récupérer http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/automake/automake1.4_1.4-p6-12_all.deb Taille incohérente |
| 06:20.07 | verboz | Impossible de récupérer http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/p/php5/php-pear_5.2.0-8+etch4_all.deb 404 Not Found |
| 06:20.07 | verboz | Impossible de récupérer http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/p/php5/php5-dev_5.2.0-8+etch4_i386.deb 404 Not Found |
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| 06:20.12 | verboz | server is down or what? |
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| 06:21.23 | stew | verboz: you need to update, 5.2.0-8etch4 is old, the current version is etch7 |
| 06:22.15 | verboz | so i can't install it with this version |
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| 06:22.47 | verboz | :s |
| 06:23.00 | stew | verboz: run aptitude update ; aptitude install php-pear php5-deb automake1.4 |
| 06:23.38 | verboz | it don't dommage any thing, because we have many other web site |
| 06:24.01 | verboz | ?? |
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| 06:24.56 | rossMoHaX | i! how to install lilo on /dev/hdc if later (on other pc) it will be /dev/hda ?? I install it with "lilo -b /dev/hdc -C new.lilo.conf" and no success =( there is boot=/dev/hda in config file present. |
| 06:24.57 | stew | verboz: no, it shouldn't damage anything |
| 06:25.04 | verboz | ok |
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| 06:25.52 | verboz | rendre : 1 http://ftp.fr.debian.org etch/main automake1.4 1:1.4-p6-12 [272kB] |
| 06:25.52 | verboz | Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main php-pear 5.2.0-8+etch4 |
| 06:25.52 | verboz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.52 | verboz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.52 | verboz | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/automake/automake1.4_1.4-p6-12_all.deb: Taille incohérente |
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| 06:26.22 | verboz | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/automake/automake1.4_1.4-p6-12_all.deb: Taille incohérent |
| 06:26.27 | verboz | incoherent size |
| 06:26.38 | stew | !tell verboz about paste |
| 06:26.54 | stew | verboz: aptitude update |
| 06:27.15 | jimlocker | Is it bad to use multiple kernel patches is they all apply without complaint? |
| 06:27.32 | stew | verboz: what are you trying to compile? |
| 06:27.41 | verboz | pdo |
| 06:28.17 | verboz | PHP data object |
| 06:28.42 | stew | verboz: is that different than the php-db package? |
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| 06:30.10 | verboz | don't know |
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| 06:30.19 | stew | verboz: apt-cache show php-db |
| 06:30.50 | verboz | i have it |
| 06:31.01 | verboz | do want that i paste you the result |
| 06:31.02 | verboz | ? |
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| 06:31.34 | stew | verboz: no, i just want you to determine if php-db is the thing you are trying to compile (so you can avoid compiling it) |
| 06:31.58 | marc7 | I hate to ask, I know it's a known bug... but what's the deal with checkinstall in etch? I know upstream's handling it... but the bug's been open since 2006... any hope of that getting fixed? anyone know what the deal is? |
| 06:32.17 | stew | marc7: checkinstall isn't in etch |
| 06:32.35 | stew | marc7: which bug are you talking about? |
| 06:32.36 | marc7 | right, it's held back because of some dependency thing. is that a "hey, this won't ever be fixed"? |
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| 06:33.12 | stew | marc7: what do you mean "held back"? what bug number are you talking about? |
| 06:33.42 | marc7 | 404542 |
| 06:34.04 | stew | marc7: if you are asking "will checkinstall ever be in etch" the answer is no, etch was frozen last year and released months ago, so that ship has sailed |
| 06:34.13 | tuzhila | what is system administrator's day? |
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| 06:34.21 | widde | moin |
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| 06:35.14 | tuzhila | widde, what is moin? |
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| 06:36.25 | marc7 | stew: check. I believe that answers my question. |
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| 06:38.16 | Dewi | marc7: if it gets fixed in the next year it should be available in lenny |
| 06:38.53 | Dewi | marc7: only really serious (read: security) problems get fixed after shipping |
| 06:39.08 | marc7 | dewi: nice, I crossposted this in oftc (stew helped there too), and i think the consensus is going to be to learn how to use dh_make when packaging my own stuff for distribution internally |
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| 06:40.49 | ghatak | Hi, does anyone know where are the downloaded packages are stored ? |
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| 06:44.07 | stew | ghatak: /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 06:48.16 | ghatak | stew: any idea where i can find packages for sarge ? |
| 06:48.22 | ghatak | standard sarge |
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| 06:49.09 | sep | ghatak, in the repos ? under sarge/oldstable |
| 06:49.23 | ghatak | Hmm . ok |
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| 06:57.50 | lightning | thanks for the help everyone |
| 06:57.51 | lightning | bbl |
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| 07:00.34 | Caelum | why does trying to print to a certain printer crash iceweasel... |
| 07:01.00 | simonrvn | the printer doesn't like iceweasel? :P |
| 07:02.06 | Caelum | heh |
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| 07:05.13 | Caelum | oh, it was just printing that particular page, other pages print fine.... |
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| 07:19.35 | simonrvn | Caelum: cool |
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| 07:22.06 | tarzeau | how can i limit fontsizes in a otf/ttf generated font made with fontforge (sfd)? |
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| 07:24.32 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 07:26.04 | nvz | oh well. on a debian related note.. |
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| 07:26.14 | nvz | can I install amd64 on an ia32? |
| 07:26.29 | simonrvn | my plumber runs debian on his walkie talkie :P |
| 07:26.32 | Kevin` | nvz why would you expect it to run? |
| 07:26.37 | nvz | heh |
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| 07:26.50 | Kevin` | unless you meant ia64 or soemthing |
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| 07:27.37 | nvz | well the thing is, I got an amd64 comming UPS it'll be here in a few hours after sunrise :P.. but I don't have any 64bit here.. just 32.. and I wanna preinstall the HD before the machine gets here so I can just build it and be done |
| 07:27.57 | Kevin` | nvz you could use an emulator like qemu |
| 07:28.19 | nvz | I hope the hardware is decent.. I got this nVidia 6100 single chip board |
| 07:28.32 | nvz | cause the other system I was looking at had a shitty unsupported nic |
| 07:28.57 | nvz | Kevin`: bah :P I guess I'm just gonna have to install when it gets here :P |
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| 07:29.24 | Kevin` | don't like emulator? :) |
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| 07:29.51 | nvz | nope, too much like work |
| 07:30.32 | nvz | how long can it take to install a simple desktop os on an AMD 3200+ 64bit anyhow with broadband |
| 07:30.32 | Kevin` | linux only support 1024 processors right now? |
| 07:30.33 | Kevin` | :( |
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| 07:31.36 | nvz | now I got more DDR ram and nothing to do with it.. I looked all over and couldn't find a damn board that would support the RAM/CPU I had so I had to get all new shit |
| 07:31.48 | loesh | nvz, i installed debian on my work macheine.. with an up and running environment for java development and stuff confed the way i wanted it took a like 2 hours or something :) |
| 07:32.09 | loesh | so its pretty fast... |
| 07:32.22 | nvz | loesh: yeah well this guy could get by with a webtv.. heh so I am not doing anything elaborate |
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| 07:32.32 | loesh | :) |
| 07:33.09 | nvz | loesh: however I'm in the computer business so naturally I ordered him a bunch of shit he wouldn't know how to use |
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| 07:35.44 | loesh | haha as allways ... |
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| 07:40.06 | nvz | this is what I ordered http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/411, with AMD Sempron 3200+ Socket AM2 Processor Retail Box, 256MB PC4200 533Mhz DDR2, MicroX LA-CSBW3284HLW-SS MidTower W/450 W P.S. Case |
| 07:40.23 | nvz | seemed to be a decent system and near as I can tell linux compatible |
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| 07:40.40 | Kevin` | why only 256mb ram |
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| 07:41.14 | nvz | Kevin`: it was a combo thats the way it comes.. and he only had 128mb in the old machine |
| 07:41.38 | nvz | Kevin`: all he uses a pc for is to get online and watch the stock market |
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| 07:42.09 | Dronar | does anyone know which url i should use in sources.list for testing in Sweden? |
| 07:42.18 | nvz | Kevin`: his HP died, bad caps all over.. couldn't find a board that took PC2100 and had a m478b for the celeron CPU so I had to get all new crap |
| 07:42.34 | Dronar | (or close to sweden) |
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| 07:45.50 | nvz | Kevin`: I've already charged him $120, and nearly $200 in parts and shipping, and don't even have him a working pc.. so upgrading ram is the least of my worries.. I was gonna upgrade his 128MB DDR to 384MB DDR but thats before I realized I couldn't find a board that took both PC2100 DDR and a mPGA478b, and I don't own any PC4200 so its not making me a dime upgrading that.. heh I would have profited 100% on the PC2100 cause I got it laying aro |
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| 07:46.24 | osh | Linux must die!Linux must die!Linux must die!Linux must die!Linux must die!Linux must die!Linux must die!Linux must die!Linux must die!Linux must die!Linux must die!Linux must die!Linux must die! |
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| 07:46.28 | cast | what is pc4200? |
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| 07:46.57 | nvz | cast: 533mhz DDR2 Ram |
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| 07:47.14 | nvz | cast: PC2100 is 266mhz DDR Ram |
| 07:47.17 | cast | ahh, the slow ddr2 ram |
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| 07:48.07 | nvz | more than twice the speed and double the capacity of what he did have |
| 07:48.26 | cast | 'DDR2 was introduced in the second quarter of 2003 at two initial speeds: 200 MHz (referred to as PC2-3200) and 266 MHz (PC2-4200). Both performed worse than the original DDR specification due to higher latency, which made total access times longer.' :\ |
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| 07:49.18 | Kevin` | depends on usage, of course |
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| 07:49.42 | Kevin` | unless performance = gaming =p |
| 07:49.52 | stoffell_w | morning all |
| 07:50.13 | cast | well pc2-3200 i imagine would always lose to pc-3200 |
| 07:50.20 | nvz | this is the first single chip board I've ever seen |
| 07:50.29 | cast | 4200 is arguable, though |
| 07:50.44 | Kevin` | nvz bah. it still has a seperate cpu =p |
| 07:50.46 | nvz | the northbridge/southbridge are on a single chip with integrated video |
| 07:50.51 | stoffell_w | any suggestions as to how I can email myself a page i fetched with wget ? (with images embedded) |
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| 07:51.11 | nvz | I just assumed since it was nVidia it was well supported.. I didn't really check |
| 07:51.11 | Kevin` | !google x86 system on chip |
| 07:52.27 | nvz | says the GeForce 6100, MCP61S is like a GeForce 6100 + nForce 405 |
| 07:53.07 | nvz | so unless this particular configuration has something strange it should all be well supported hardware |
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| 07:59.13 | nvz | hah! found my tree it was in my lawn umbrella.. I knew I lost it somewhere between the yard and here just couldn't remember where I put it |
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| 08:00.11 | Noborusan | my /etc/fstab contains /dev/sda3 / xfs defaults 0 1 |
| 08:00.50 | Noborusan | is it safe to change them to /dev/sda3 / xfs rw,userquota,groupquota 0 1 |
| 08:00.51 | Noborusan | ? |
| 08:02.16 | nvz | Noborusan: if you want to.. |
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| 08:02.44 | nvz | Noborusan: have you read and understood those mount options in the xfs section of the manual for mount? |
| 08:02.46 | Noborusan | nvz, okay,and the default one is '0 1',what abot change them to '1 '1 ? |
| 08:03.30 | cast | would have thought rw was the default |
| 08:03.40 | nvz | Noborusan: those numbers are for dump and pass, basically tells the system how the filesystem should be checked for errors and handled in the case of an error |
| 08:03.53 | nvz | see the linux manual pages section 8, mount |
| 08:04.08 | nvz | and section 5 fstab |
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| 08:04.17 | cast | if you put /tmp, var and home on seperate filesystems then imho no need for quotas on / |
| 08:04.23 | Noborusan | nvx,I see so to just setup quota i do not have to change that default '0 1' thing i think |
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| 08:13.46 | Noborusan | thanks nvs and cast ,also, should i use the default 'defaults' rather than with 'rw' instead ? |
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| 08:17.35 | cast | 'default options: rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async.' |
| 08:17.42 | cast | looks fine to use defaults |
| 08:18.01 | Noborusan | cast, i see |
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| 08:19.10 | Noborusan | cast, i saved it to fstab,now i run /sbin/quotaoff -a; /sbin/quotacheck -avugm; /sbin/quotaon -a; |
| 08:19.27 | Noborusan | quotacheck: Cannot find filesystem to check or filesystem not mounted with quota option. |
| 08:20.49 | cast | you have to remount to get the new fstab options |
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| 08:21.38 | chowmeined | so i sent in my patch |
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| 08:23.43 | Noborusan | cast, hmm i do not know how to do |
| 08:25.00 | cast | man mount, you can remount file systems in use, but do not ask me how well that works, i do not know |
| 08:25.53 | chowmeined | mount -o remount,rw /boot |
| 08:26.29 | Noborusan | hmm |
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| 08:32.31 | HackSign | hi,there.i want to mount my directory '/home' to another place /dev/hda2 |
| 08:32.46 | HackSign | what should i do ?chang my 'fstab' file? |
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| 08:35.34 | lightning | is Kevin` here? |
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| 08:38.38 | Noborusan | cast, i cannot connect to my server anymore after i mutify /etc/fstab :( |
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| 08:39.16 | cast | lol. |
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| 08:40.08 | Noborusan | im very upset now |
| 08:40.26 | cast | everyone does it from time to time |
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| 08:41.29 | mhall | Leave it to the computer programmers to shorten the "Year 2000 Millennium Bug" to "Y2K." Isn't that what caused this problem in the first place? |
| 08:41.29 | Noborusan | but i have only added usrquota,grpquota |
| 08:42.05 | lightning | does anyone here know anything about rc.local |
| 08:42.07 | Noborusan | So i think i should call ISP to send my server back |
| 08:43.00 | Noborusan | so what you have told me were incorrect,this cause my server cannot reboot anymore |
| 08:45.00 | cast | lightning: sure, lots of people |
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| 08:47.22 | Masterkong | can you search for a package by description in aptitude? |
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| 08:47.32 | Guerin | Masterkong: yes. /msg dpkg search |
| 08:47.42 | Masterkong | an not just by packagename? |
| 08:47.52 | Masterkong | what? |
| 08:48.09 | Guerin | just fucking try it |
| 08:48.12 | Masterkong | here in irc? |
| 08:48.19 | Guerin | oh, yes |
| 08:48.24 | Guerin | the /msg is an irc command |
| 08:48.25 | cast | Noborusan: not sure what i said that was wrong...ahh well. |
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| 08:48.52 | Guerin | but just try aptitude search somewordinadescription |
| 08:49.50 | lightning | cast: well i'm trying to auto-login icewm by putting "su brandon -c startx &" at the end rc.local and i get the error smith login: giving up, xinit: connection refused errno 111, can you help? |
| 08:49.58 | Masterkong | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:50.26 | Masterkong | neither did aptitude search download |
| 08:50.33 | Noborusan | cast, I SHOULD NOT add that thing in fstab cuz they are WRONG ! now i have to call my ISP to send my server back !! |
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| 08:50.49 | Noborusan | This will take several days and i will have to pay the money ! |
| 08:51.03 | cast | lightning: ahh, there is a better way |
| 08:51.11 | Guerin | Noborusan: demand a full refund from your tech support provider. |
| 08:51.16 | lightning | inform me cast, inform me |
| 08:51.37 | cast | i believe gdm has such functionality |
| 08:51.52 | danf_1979 | Hi, I'm having a problem with a python script and gksu. When using gksu to run the script, as in -> gksu -u root script.py <- suddenly the script is no longer capable of getting input from stdin....... Any clues? If I take gksu from the command line to run the script, everything works ok |
| 08:52.04 | Guerin | Masterkong: then there's nothing containing the word `download' |
| 08:52.13 | Masterkong | argh |
| 08:52.21 | Guerin | Masterkong: /msg dpkg search is literal - ask dpkg about search |
| 08:52.31 | Guerin | he doesn't know much about `download manager' |
| 08:52.43 | lightning | cast: oh no, not interested in gdm, uh uh |
| 08:52.46 | Masterkong | isnt dpkg a bot? |
| 08:52.51 | Guerin | yes, he is |
| 08:53.00 | Guerin | but he only knows what we've taught him |
| 08:53.04 | Guerin | !downlaod manager |
| 08:53.08 | Masterkong | aha sorry |
| 08:53.08 | Guerin | !download manager |
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| 08:53.16 | Guerin | and nobody has taught him that |
| 08:53.21 | lightning | lol |
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| 08:53.21 | Guerin | but he knows about other stuff |
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| 08:53.26 | Guerin | !flw |
| 08:53.27 | dpkg | i heard flw25 is <nvz> greycat: I dont need it to constantly check it, my clocks are all reliable enough.. some may have dead batteries or incompetant 2nd os's but that can be fixed with /etc/init.d/ntpdate running at startup |
| 08:53.34 | Guerin | like famous last words |
| 08:53.59 | lightning | !rc.local |
| 08:53.59 | dpkg | hmm... rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.lcoal). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
| 08:54.05 | Noborusan | if wrong settings in fstab cause server cannot boot ,in debian the only way to fix is connect a monitor to it and do stuff manually in physically ? i mean is there a way to do this remotely ? |
| 08:54.08 | Masterkong | ack |
| 08:54.20 | Masterkong | i want a download manager |
| 08:54.22 | Guerin | Noborusan: if it can't boot, how can you log in remotely? |
| 08:54.32 | Guerin | Masterkong: wget FTW |
| 08:54.34 | Noborusan | Guerin, tell the ISP guys to do it for me |
| 08:54.38 | Masterkong | but i think i already got one.. wget |
| 08:54.45 | lightning | rc.local is considered a hack |
| 08:54.47 | lightning | pfff |
| 08:55.00 | Guerin | Noborusan: good idea. They can probably use a serial console to boot into single user, or something |
| 08:55.25 | Masterkong | FTW? |
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| 08:55.33 | Guerin | Noborusan: the rule is: don't do unknown shit remotely. |
| 08:55.35 | lightning | :D |
| 08:55.37 | Guerin | !ftw |
| 08:55.41 | cast | lightning: you wouldn't have to login with gdm, you note right? gdm would start, then your DE/WM would get started by gdm |
| 08:56.09 | Masterkong | i like you Guerin |
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| 08:56.11 | Noborusan | can they mutify /etc/fstab after entering in sngle user mode ? |
| 08:56.18 | Noborusan | single |
| 08:56.19 | lightning | cast: i'm so close to getting this method to work properly that i'll be happy to bypass the uglyness of gdm |
| 08:56.26 | cast | fair enough |
| 08:56.33 | Guerin | Noborusan: WTF is `mutify'? |
| 08:56.36 | Masterkong | but i still dont get wtf ftw means |
| 08:56.40 | Guerin | Masterkong: I like me too. |
| 08:56.42 | lightning | plus i like logging out to terminal |
| 08:56.43 | Guerin | !beer Masterkong |
| 08:56.44 | CreatixEA | Hi, does anyone know how to auto-append the specific "Listen" directive to appache creating a virtual server using VirtualMin (Webmin module) ? |
| 08:56.52 | Noborusan | Guerin, edit |
| 08:56.59 | Guerin | CreatixEA: webmin is unsupportable here |
| 08:57.09 | lightning | how is rc.local considered a hack |
| 08:57.15 | CreatixEA | ho, sorry |
| 08:57.17 | lightning | a hack meaning improper method? |
| 08:57.25 | Guerin | Noborusan: depends if the fstab is functional. Usually in single mode / will be usable |
| 08:57.28 | Guerin | lightning: yes |
| 08:57.32 | Masterkong | mmh.. my guinnes is in the fridge downstairs... gonna drink that tonight |
| 08:57.44 | enouf | lightning: all i can do is show you some output of what occurs when i use 'startx' from console (also kde is running) ; http://pastebin.ca/635679 |
| 08:57.45 | CreatixEA | Guerin: is there a place where I would find support ? |
| 08:57.48 | Guerin | CreatixEA: we strongly advise against its use. |
| 08:58.00 | tarzeau | damn i hate graphviz |
| 08:58.01 | CreatixEA | Guerin: why ? |
| 08:58.01 | Guerin | CreatixEA: I sincerely hope not, but you can try #webmin. |
| 08:58.14 | Guerin | CreatixEA: because it's disgustingly insecure and horribly broken. |
| 08:58.18 | Noborusan | Guerin, but the file system is not loaded how would they do it |
| 08:58.31 | Guerin | Noborusan: i don't know your case, so I can't answer. |
| 08:58.33 | CreatixEA | Guerin: right, but is there any alternative ? |
| 08:58.41 | Guerin | CreatixEA: i recommend /bin/bash |
| 08:59.20 | lightning | yes i pretty much have to program a login in what file? |
| 08:59.23 | CreatixEA | Guerin: lol ;) I don't want to reivente everything. I need something like central administration for ISP Hosting |
| 08:59.33 | lightning | init.d |
| 08:59.36 | lightning | which init.d? |
| 08:59.39 | sep | CreatixEA, postfixadmin |
| 08:59.43 | Guerin | CreatixEA: hm, someone in here wrote something like that |
| 08:59.59 | enouf | Masterkong: just 1 ? |
| 09:00.07 | CreatixEA | sep: this is not centralized (mail, www, ftp, ssh, ...) :) |
| 09:00.23 | verboz | re |
| 09:00.26 | enouf | Masterkong: apt-cache search download | grep manager returns a few |
| 09:00.27 | verboz | i've pb |
| 09:00.28 | lightning | who really uses lynx |
| 09:00.31 | verboz | http://196.203.53.221/ddnet/ |
| 09:00.31 | Noborusan | Guerin, in fstab ,i just changed from /dev/sda / xfs default,usrquota,grpquota 0 1 to /dev/sda / xfs defaultr 0 1 |
| 09:00.36 | enouf | lightning: i use links2 |
| 09:00.46 | lightning | is it graphical? |
| 09:00.48 | verboz | do you know why i've this error |
| 09:00.48 | Masterkong | yeah.. i'm driving tonight |
| 09:01.00 | enouf | lightning: links2 -g makes it GUI |
| 09:01.06 | enouf | lightning: or xlinks2 |
| 09:01.16 | lightning | i'll look into it |
| 09:01.30 | enouf | lightning: nice and fasr |
| 09:01.35 | enouf | er fast |
| 09:01.36 | sep | what do you want to admin then ? a lot of machines? puppet or cfengine perhaps |
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| 09:01.43 | Noborusan | from from /dev/sda / xfs default 0 1 to /dev/sda / xfs default,usrquota,grpquota 0 1 |
| 09:01.52 | Masterkong | thanx enouf |
| 09:02.01 | enouf | sure |
| 09:02.03 | sep | CreatixEA, my sentral administrations is just ssh... (ocasionally dsh) |
| 09:02.08 | Masterkong | that was what i was looking for |
| 09:02.10 | lightning | good deal, i'll try |
| 09:02.11 | Guerin | Noborusan: i know nothing about quotas, but why the fuck would / be quotade anyway? |
| 09:02.19 | verboz | You don't have permission to access /ddnet/ on this server. |
| 09:02.28 | lightning | so much free software, it's not like you can say no |
| 09:02.43 | CreatixEA | sep: the goal is to let users administrate their accounts without any knowledge about linux :P |
| 09:02.53 | Guerin | CreatixEA: how is that a benefit? |
| 09:02.58 | Noborusan | Guerin, i only have / swap and /boot 3 partition |
| 09:03.03 | lightning | do you linux users believe that free software will someday make paidfor software obsolete? |
| 09:03.03 | Guerin | CreatixEA: people without knowledge shouldn't be administering anything. |
| 09:03.17 | Guerin | Noborusan: this is a major design flaw, as you are now discovering |
| 09:03.29 | CreatixEA | Guerin: their domains, emails, password, web protections , :) |
| 09:03.39 | Noborusan | hmm |
| 09:03.39 | CreatixEA | If I must do everything, that would be horrible ! |
| 09:03.40 | tarzeau | lightning: it already did so |
| 09:03.48 | enouf | heh |
| 09:03.53 | Guerin | lightning: artificial discintcion. Free software does not necessarily exclude paid-for software. |
| 09:04.14 | Guerin | lightning: example: rms sold emacs for profit to fund the early stages of GNU |
| 09:04.20 | lightning | as soon as dial up flopped i think free coding really took off |
| 09:04.32 | sep | CreatixEA, still sounds like postfixadmin to me :) |
| 09:04.45 | Guerin | postfixadmin is just for mail |
| 09:05.10 | lightning | does ms own linux or any part of it? |
| 09:05.17 | Guerin | CreatixEA: i can't really help you. |
| 09:05.18 | enouf | hehe |
| 09:05.25 | sep | CreatixEA, cpanel then ? |
| 09:05.35 | Guerin | lightning: impossible for a company to `own' something which isn't ownable. |
| 09:05.46 | Noborusan | after enter in single user mode,how can you list all partition ? |
| 09:05.50 | lightning | what's this mumble they're working with suse |
| 09:05.59 | CreatixEA | sep: I'm looking for it, but still closed: not opensource, and need to install it above everything |
| 09:06.08 | Noborusan | i remember / is /dev/sdax something |
| 09:06.08 | tarzeau | lightning: they can have a copy if they want to |
| 09:06.15 | Guerin | lightning: `linux' the kernel is comprised of code contributed by thousands of individuals, who mostly still own their own contributions. It's not owned by anywone. |
| 09:06.20 | CreatixEA | sep: then I will write some BASH :( :P |
| 09:06.20 | Guerin | s/w/// |
| 09:06.28 | sep | CreatixEA, code something that's good and opensource it ? :) |
| 09:06.36 | Guerin | lightning: the MS-Suse thing is PR |
| 09:06.44 | Masterkong | is it possible to copy and paste in console? |
| 09:06.44 | lightning | PR? |
| 09:06.49 | Guerin | public relations |
| 09:06.51 | enouf | lightning: all i will say is, most of these type of discussions should take place elsewhere .. like ##linux maybe |
| 09:06.52 | Guerin | spin |
| 09:07.08 | lightning | cool |
| 09:07.11 | enouf | lightning: not that it's completely far out ot |
| 09:07.12 | Masterkong | or do i have to remember the whole address |
| 09:07.12 | Masterkong | ? |
| 09:07.29 | lightning | well it should be far out |
| 09:07.35 | Guerin | lightning: before you continue, download and listen to the stock RMS speech |
| 09:07.41 | lightning | shit, i'll go sell it to them |
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| 09:08.04 | lightning | it's free c coding |
| 09:08.10 | verboz | You don't have permission to access /ddnet/ on this server. |
| 09:08.15 | verboz | why i've this pb? |
| 09:08.19 | verboz | any idea plz? |
| 09:08.38 | lightning | i |
| 09:08.41 | lightning | i'll shut up now |
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| 09:09.20 | lightning | icewm is soooo sweet |
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| 09:09.33 | lightning | are you guys devs? |
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| 09:10.04 | Noborusan | can anyone tell me what is the best mothed to fix fstab? |
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| 09:10.10 | enouf | lightning: sometimes you get devs in here -- the official debian network is on irc.oftc.net/irc.debian.org |
| 09:10.15 | Noborusan | i mean,connects a monitor to the server |
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| 09:10.38 | talisker | Hi, I remember there used to be a CLI menu driven tool for reconfiguring network interfaces, how do I issue it? |
| 09:10.40 | Noborusan | in rescue mode or single user mode ? |
| 09:10.41 | lightning | enouf: much less users normally? |
| 09:10.50 | dondelelcaro | some people here are developers |
| 09:10.53 | enouf | lightning: huh? |
| 09:11.00 | dondelelcaro | though the majority of people are are not |
| 09:11.13 | lightning | is that channel ever nearly as popular as this one? |
| 09:11.24 | talisker | I think it was dpkg-reconfigure something |
| 09:11.35 | talisker | I can't remember what, man pages and google weren't very helpful |
| 09:11.37 | enouf | lightning: sometimes sure .. there's many more #debian-* channels there as well |
| 09:12.29 | x600 | Is this UTF-8 you guys use here? |
| 09:12.32 | enouf | lightning: though the dev channels are meant for devs, so don't ask user questions in those that can and should be answered here and in #debian on oftc.net |
| 09:12.34 | Noborusan | If i can sucessfull log in single user mode,can i edit /etc/fstab ? |
| 09:12.55 | lightning | do you debianers know anything of a package named icewm-gnome-menu1 or menus1 |
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| 09:13.05 | enouf | lightning: there's also lists.debian.org you may be interested in |
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| 09:13.36 | talisker | anyone? |
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| 09:13.57 | lightning | enouf: you're not really a bum are you? |
| 09:14.01 | Guerin | talisker: you are the best whisky in the world! |
| 09:14.09 | enouf | talisker: you could benefit from installing configure-debian ;-) |
| 09:14.23 | enouf | lightning: that was someone else who said that ;-) |
| 09:14.32 | talisker | I usually use vi to reconfigure my network |
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| 09:14.43 | Guerin | talisker: etherconf will probably do it |
| 09:14.45 | Guerin | or ethtool |
| 09:14.50 | lightning | it was cast |
| 09:14.55 | talisker | I need to write a guide which is valid for a typical out-of-the-box debian installation |
| 09:15.14 | enouf | talisker: once installed, use configure-debian -l |
| 09:15.22 | lightning | what's up with video editing on linux? |
| 09:15.29 | Guerin | talisker: then the best way is to get a bare-bones install and document what you would do |
| 09:15.42 | talisker | Heh |
| 09:15.48 | Guerin | lightning: google mencoder video editing |
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| 09:15.53 | talisker | What I would do is "vi /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 09:16.06 | Guerin | talisker: sounds ideal to me. Except the vi part. |
| 09:16.08 | themill | x600: yes, all my settings are strictly utf-8 but since I'm in .uk it doesn't really make that much difference for me. |
| 09:16.08 | lightning | Guerin: is that gunna be something gui? |
| 09:16.10 | talisker | But I need to find a simpler way to document |
| 09:16.10 | enouf | !interfaces |
| 09:16.11 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 09:16.13 | Guerin | lightning: no. |
| 09:16.23 | Guerin | talisker: try ethtool/etherconf |
| 09:16.30 | lightning | linux doesn't have anything like that? |
| 09:16.38 | talisker | Is it installed by default? |
| 09:16.48 | x600 | themill, thx |
| 09:16.50 | lightning | what os's do those high end video editing softwares run on? |
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| 09:17.33 | talisker | Anyway to redo the network configuration script from the setup process? |
| 09:17.47 | Guerin | lightning: there are two main areas where free sooftware is horribly lacking: CAD/CAM and media creation (audio/video/mixing/images/etc) |
| 09:18.12 | lightning | Guerin: that was well said |
| 09:18.24 | Guerin | talisker: dpkg-reconfigure base-config might do it (you may need to install base-config) |
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| 09:18.31 | enouf | talisker: ifupdown, netbase, netselect, and ntop are what i see here as what's avail to dpkg-reconfigure <xxxx> as i told you (and many more, but those seem to be "net" related) |
| 09:19.00 | Noborusan | If i can sucessfull log in single user mode,can i edit /etc/fstab ? |
| 09:19.02 | lightning | and that stuff is hard to program too |
| 09:19.04 | Guerin | lightning: i was a film editor in a former existnce and the lack of such thing pains me greatly |
| 09:19.11 | lightning | video effects, good luck |
| 09:19.16 | Guerin | lightning: extremely hard, yes. |
| 09:19.18 | enouf | talisker: the list will vary on what release you're using, and what pkgs are installed naturally |
| 09:19.54 | Guerin | lightning: not so much technically hard as very specialised, and specialised in by people who live in mac OSX (and formerly SGI/IRIX) |
| 09:20.11 | talisker | And are any of thise installed by default on a noraml [not expert] installation? |
| 09:20.14 | lightning | well back to my lame questions, thanks for the information, but can alsamixer be removed if i'm using aumix? |
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| 09:20.26 | lightning | Guerin: i want to run mac so bad, but the costs are garbage |
| 09:20.27 | enouf | talisker: any of what? |
| 09:20.32 | Guerin | talisker: i forget what's installed, you'd best try it. |
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| 09:20.57 | Guerin | lightning: if the moeny is all that's stopping you using a mac, you've already lost. |
| 09:21.08 | enouf | Noborusan: yes, if you also -oremount rw |
| 09:21.14 | lightning | can mac osx do the animated characters? |
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| 09:21.20 | lightning | Guerin: already lost what |
| 09:21.20 | Guerin | !htfswk lightning |
| 09:21.21 | dpkg | lightning: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 09:21.37 | Guerin | lightning: your marbles, all your credibility, and your soul |
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| 09:21.44 | Noborusan | enouf, but i do not know the exact partition name |
| 09:21.50 | Noborusan | enouf, /dev/sdx |
| 09:22.04 | lightning | but everything in linux has turned out exactly how i wanted it to |
| 09:22.06 | enouf | Noborusan: grub should show you |
| 09:22.15 | Guerin | Noborusan: find out. It can only be one of a couple dozen. |
| 09:22.17 | Noborusan | enouf, when ? |
| 09:22.21 | simonrvn | lightning: that's the idea |
| 09:22.28 | enouf | Noborusan: and /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:22.35 | enouf | Noborusan: what? |
| 09:22.56 | enouf | Noborusan: grub is the 1st thing you get to when booting (unles you're using lilo) |
| 09:23.05 | Noborusan | enouf, so you mean after log in single user mode, mount the / and can vi /etc/fstab ? |
| 09:23.05 | enouf | after POST that is |
| 09:23.10 | lightning | people get too consumed in the thought of money being involved, they belive it's not stable |
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| 09:23.16 | Noborusan | enouf, yes i use grub |
| 09:23.31 | enouf | Noborusan: yep, but single mounts ro, IIRC, so remount rw then edit |
| 09:23.37 | Guerin | correct |
| 09:23.40 | lightning | i'll tell you some crap, usb causing shutdowns, razer phone and an all-in-one drive |
| 09:23.42 | Kjikaqawej | i'm surrounded by 3 macs (old ones), 2 are on, and one of them runs debian etch |
| 09:23.44 | Noborusan | enouf, let me call my ISP |
| 09:23.51 | verboz | it's ok thanks |
| 09:23.53 | verboz | :) |
| 09:24.04 | Noborusan | enouf, Thanks btw, what would you think what could be the cause to damange my fstab ? |
| 09:24.07 | Guerin | Kjikaqawej: yeah, but you're a freak like that. |
| 09:24.20 | enouf | Noborusan: i have no idea :-( |
| 09:24.29 | Noborusan | enouf, i simply added 'usrquota,grpquota' on / |
| 09:24.32 | lightning | Noborusan: what are you trying to mount? |
| 09:24.36 | Kjikaqawej | th other on one runs mac os 9, and the off one runs etch but i haven't gotten it to boot properly due to a lack of boot media |
| 09:24.44 | Kjikaqawej | Guerin: well yeh |
| 09:24.46 | enouf | Noborusan: so put those options nback to what theyr were prior |
| 09:24.57 | Noborusan | lightning, i cannot connect to my server anymore after i edited /etc/fstab and did a reboot |
| 09:24.59 | Kjikaqawej | Guerin: guess which os is more stable? ;) |
| 09:25.11 | Guerin | Kjikaqawej: the one which is permanently off |
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| 09:25.21 | lightning | Noborusan: yeah thats way ahead of me |
| 09:25.26 | Kjikaqawej | Guerin: heheh, *running* os ;) |
| 09:25.33 | Guerin | ok, time to watch Jesus Camp |
| 09:25.45 | Guerin | wish me luck ... my TV may not make it out of this alive |
| 09:25.47 | lightning | Noborusan: didn't you backup the settings? |
| 09:26.02 | Kjikaqawej | Guerin: why are you watching this? sociological study? |
| 09:26.07 | Kjikaqawej | Guerin: good luck |
| 09:26.29 | Guerin | Kjikaqawej: perversity - Jesus Camp/Obsessions double feature |
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| 09:26.44 | stoffell_w | any suggestions as to how I can email myself a page i fetched with wget ? (with images embedded) |
| 09:26.44 | lightning | Noborusan: can you connect from a windows pc to it? |
| 09:26.49 | Guerin | Obsessions being the thing about how the Muslims are taking over teh world |
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| 09:27.10 | Guerin | yessir, I do love them conspiracy theories |
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| 09:27.32 | Noborusan | lightning, i only added 2 thing in it,if i can log back in,i can redo it,just i cannot log on to it anymore,its put in the datacenter |
| 09:28.22 | lightning | and you are away from it? |
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| 09:28.34 | Noborusan | very far,across states |
| 09:28.42 | Noborusan | :( |
| 09:28.52 | lightning | is it a work computer? |
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| 09:29.15 | lightning | how do you connect to it? |
| 09:29.20 | Noborusan | a server connects to cisco 45xx router directly,a server. |
| 09:29.35 | Noborusan | i connect it via ssh |
| 09:30.04 | lightning | and from there you can transfer? |
| 09:30.20 | Noborusan | i mean,no one mentions that would be an error when i was trying to add them in fstab :( |
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| 09:30.36 | Noborusan | lightning, huh ? |
| 09:30.49 | lightning | what is preventing you from logging into it to edit the fstab? |
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| 09:31.24 | Noborusan | lightning, after i edited fstab by adding 2 thing to it that is usrquota,grpquota ,reboot, ssh wont work anymore |
| 09:31.54 | Noborusan | the server is not up at all,i cannot even ping it |
| 09:32.07 | |fluxdude| | anyone here know how to extend net-snmp with external checks? |
| 09:32.25 | lightning | Noborusan: well then the isp is down or the connection |
| 09:32.40 | Noborusan | lightning, you are kidding |
| 09:33.20 | lightning | that would be my guess |
| 09:33.23 | Noborusan | It must be my server's problem |
| 09:33.49 | Noborusan | wrong settings in fstab result in the outcome -cannot boot. |
| 09:33.54 | ghatak | If i want to forward output from installation CD to console. What do i need to do ? |
| 09:34.05 | lightning | Noborusan: well then you can only call them tomorrow and have them reset it |
| 09:34.17 | lightning | or travel back |
| 09:34.46 | Noborusan | is it not very difficult to let them do it for me ? |
| 09:35.09 | lightning | i don't know |
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| 09:37.26 | lightning | anyways can i remove alsa if i'm using aumix |
| 09:37.32 | lightning | or do they work together? |
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| 09:38.04 | Noborusan | hmmm |
| 09:38.15 | petemc | lightning: aumix is a mixer, alsa is the software that makes your soundcard work |
| 09:38.32 | lightning | aumix is the alsa mixer? |
| 09:38.36 | lightning | gotcha |
| 09:38.42 | enouf | Noborusan: NOTE: This MIGHT contain ERRORS-> in case the single mode doesn't even cut it, you could add a "init=/bin/sh" line .. For eg. this-> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-686 root=/dev/hdc1 would become this-> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-686 root=/dev/hdc1 init=/bin/sh ro this will stop the whole init system from loading and give you a shell only, then -oremount rw your / and edit fstab, then do "sync" 3x, remount ro |
| 09:38.42 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:38.47 | petemc | Noborusan: are you really surprised that editing a critical system file incorrectly leaves you machine non functioning? |
| 09:39.00 | petemc | s/you/your/ |
| 09:39.21 | enouf | !ifrp |
| 09:39.21 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
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| 09:40.12 | enouf | Noborusan: that dpkg factoid pertains to forgetting root passwd, so at the least, step 4 there shouldn't apply to you |
| 09:41.03 | Noborusan | petemc, im not,but just i didn't know the new values been added to the file were incorrect. |
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| 09:41.39 | lightning | Kevin`: ! |
| 09:42.48 | enouf | "alsamixer" here brings up alsamixer ;-) |
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| 09:43.04 | lightning | well, duh! |
| 09:43.10 | lightning | and aumix controls it |
| 09:43.24 | enouf | ... |
| 09:43.41 | lightning | but a command that was working to adjust the alsamixer's master volume in metacity, didn't work in icewm |
| 09:43.50 | enouf | apt-get update && dpkg -l alsa* |
| 09:44.12 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 09:44.23 | lightning | hi |
| 09:44.24 | enouf | $ sudo aumix sudo: aumix: command not found |
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| 09:44.30 | HardDisk_WP | in debian lenny, I have a problem...HAL dont create the symlink /dev/dvd any more |
| 09:44.42 | enouf | but i'm nnot on Etch ;-) |
| 09:44.49 | HardDisk_WP | it just creates dvd1, but meconder dont accept that. so i have to create the symlink manually |
| 09:44.54 | HardDisk_WP | any way to make it automatic? |
| 09:45.07 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: create a udev rule that does it |
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| 09:45.11 | lightning | is gtk c? |
| 09:45.32 | HardDisk_WP | dondelelcaro, is that complex? |
| 09:45.34 | dv_ | yes |
| 09:45.37 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: not particularly |
| 09:45.41 | dv_ | gtkmm is c++ |
| 09:45.53 | lightning | is gtkmm gtk? |
| 09:46.07 | dv_ | a gtk c++ frontend |
| 09:46.09 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.43 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: see the SYMLINK+= there? alter it |
| 09:47.06 | dondelelcaro | or add a SYMLINK+="dvd" |
| 09:47.10 | cast | is defaults,grpquote,usrquota wrong though Noborusan? how long since you previously last rebooted? |
| 09:47.19 | cast | quota* hah |
| 09:47.21 | lightning | where is debian in this whole mix? |
| 09:47.38 | lightning | c |
| 09:47.42 | Noborusan | cast, 1 day ago |
| 09:47.43 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, ok |
| 09:48.05 | Noborusan | cast, after i added them to fstab,in ssh i did a reboot 'init 6',from then on,server is not up |
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| 09:48.14 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: and for nect time, i found it quickly using "grep -ir dvd /etc/udev" ;-) |
| 09:48.20 | HardDisk_WP | ah |
| 09:48.26 | enouf | s/nect/next |
| 09:48.31 | Noborusan | cast, i have only added grpquote,usrquota |
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| 09:49.13 | cast | exactly as you spelled it then? |
| 09:49.38 | dondelelcaro | lightning: there are parts of debian written in almost anny language you can think of, from assembly to zsh. |
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| 09:50.20 | lightning | i just liker gnome-terminal |
| 09:50.37 | triplc | hi all |
| 09:50.50 | Noborusan | cast, yes |
| 09:50.57 | cast | except vb. never vb |
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| 09:51.28 | Noborusan | yes comma |
| 09:51.42 | cast | then you mispelled quota? |
| 09:51.52 | Noborusan | usrquota,grpquota |
| 09:52.12 | Noborusan | shouldn't,why ? |
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| 09:52.39 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: and fwiw, /dev/dvd to me means similar to /dev/foo .. , so when i usually that (/dev/dvd) as also witnessed in man grwoisofs for e.g.; i replcae dvd with the actuall device name --> whic is /dev/hdd here |
| 09:53.03 | triplc | How to make Debian installer recorgnize CDROM of IBM x3650? I'm installing Debian Etch on IBM server x3650. My problem is that after the installer boot from CD (it boots) but the installer cannot recognize CDROM, saying it does not know the driver. I requires insert the driver via floppy, but server does not have floppy. Can you please help to instruct the installer somehow to work with the CDROM? |
| 09:53.22 | cast | Noborusan: i think when i asked "exactly as you spelled it then" the correct answer was "no" |
| 09:53.25 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, ah thx |
| 09:53.35 | enouf | triplc: is it a SATA CDROM? |
| 09:53.55 | Noborusan | cast, i dont get it |
| 09:54.21 | HardDisk_WP | trevie, is x3650 a x86-type CPU or is it another architecture? |
| 09:54.28 | enouf | <Noborusan> cast, i have only added grpquote,usrquota <-- one word is missplled there |
| 09:54.46 | enouf | quote != quota |
| 09:54.54 | Noborusan | by default its 'defaults 0 1', i changed it to 'defaults,usrquota,grpquota 0 1' |
| 09:54.55 | triplc | enout, oops, i do not know... let me read the catalogue |
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| 09:54.59 | stoffell_w | triplc, weird, i have installed multiple x3650's with etch.. |
| 09:56.08 | lightning | my tvtime config is borked |
| 09:56.09 | Noborusan | enouf and cast that might be typing mistake in irc from me |
| 09:56.11 | triplc | stoffell_w, oh... i am using rackmout x3650, etch 4.0... |
| 09:56.35 | enouf | Noborusan: i think that's what cast was asking you |
| 09:56.39 | triplc | stoffell_w, maybe my installer is old... i download that installer two or three months ago |
| 09:56.51 | stoffell_w | triplc, yeah, download latest netinst to be sure.. |
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| 09:58.27 | triplc | ok |
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| 09:58.37 | AidinuxUser | hi there |
| 09:58.43 | Noborusan | enouf, i see,i don't think i did the same when i editing it in fstab,i did verify my typing over there at that time before i save it to file |
| 09:59.26 | Paparsifal | hi |
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| 09:59.50 | Paparsifal | i got a problem with "cron", can some1 help me ? |
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| 10:00.58 | dokma | ppl what is a good gpl control panel for Debian ? |
| 10:01.13 | dv_ | what is a "gpl control panel"? |
| 10:01.20 | dokma | preferably available through standard package repositories |
| 10:01.28 | lightning | yeah about that x auto login |
| 10:01.29 | dokma | a thingy like cpanel or plesk |
| 10:01.37 | dv_ | I doubt something like that exists |
| 10:01.44 | dv_ | anyway, gotta go |
| 10:01.49 | dokma | hmmm |
| 10:01.55 | dokma | too bad |
| 10:02.16 | dokma | I'm still not that good to configure everything that is needed for a web host manually |
| 10:02.51 | lightning | dokma: can you at least help with the login here |
| 10:03.10 | dokma | didn't catch the problem |
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| 10:03.41 | lightning | i've edited this rc.local to attemtp to login, and it came close, but failed |
| 10:03.52 | lightning | i don't want to use a dm |
| 10:04.01 | lightning | login manager, whatever |
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| 10:04.37 | lightning | it's uh, pretty complicated stuff |
| 10:04.46 | dokma | did you paste it somewhere? |
| 10:04.56 | lightning | 1min |
| 10:05.48 | subx | just installed a new box and when i apt-get update with just security repos, it says: GPG error: Unknown error executing gpgv does anyone know what this means? |
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| 10:07.35 | Kevin` | how do you set the domain name of a debian computer in the config files |
| 10:07.52 | petemc | !hostname |
| 10:07.52 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 10:08.00 | Paparsifal | is the file name in /etc/cron.d important ? |
| 10:08.05 | lightning | Kevin`: !!! |
| 10:08.08 | lightning | http://pastebin.com/m206f4d79 |
| 10:08.11 | lightning | there it is |
| 10:08.22 | lightning | dokma: i mean |
| 10:08.34 | Kevin` | petemc erm, what would you set in /etc/hosts for the domain name? |
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| 10:09.06 | Kevin` | petemc /etc/hostname just has the host |
| 10:09.11 | enouf | triplc: (i'm afk for a bit) try to boot using this "libata atapi_enabled=1" (though i think it's deprecated) .. or maybe you can switch to another VT (alt-f4) and modprobe <module> (the correct sata controller module) -- see also http://wiki.debian.org/ServerHardware and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid?highlight=%28sata%29 perhaps, though some might oudated and/or not specific to your needs (also see linux-ata.org) |
| 10:09.40 | petemc | Kevin`: you want me to tell you the format of /etc/hosts or.. ? |
| 10:09.47 | enouf | triplc: one more http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 10:09.50 | Kevin` | petemc sure. |
| 10:09.51 | dokma | ahhh that last line was supposed to log you in? |
| 10:09.56 | lightning | !rc.local |
| 10:09.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.lcoal). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior ... |
| 10:10.12 | petemc | Kevin`: ip full.domain.name shortname |
| 10:10.12 | Kevin` | petemc /etc/hosts looks like it's made for assigning names-ip, not the system host and domain name |
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| 10:10.23 | petemc | Kevin`: looks can be deceiving |
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| 10:10.51 | enouf | lightning: you did that earlier, please do "/msg dpkg rc.local" (unless you called dpkg on somenone else's behalf) |
| 10:10.54 | Kevin` | so I have to actually put a wan ip in /etc/hosts to set the domain name? where's it getting the old setting from then, since I don't have it there |
| 10:10.55 | dokma | lightning what goes weong? |
| 10:11.06 | Kevin` | all that's in /etc/hosts now is localhost |
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| 10:11.31 | petemc | Kevin`: grep domain /etc/ |
| 10:11.35 | narma | hello, I want to create compressed archive of a very big directory (~6 Go) but I want a multi volume archive where each file doesn't exceed 700 Mo. How can I do that ? thanks |
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| 10:11.58 | Kevin` | kwzs:/etc# grep lan * |wc -l |
| 10:11.58 | Kevin` | 63 |
| 10:12.00 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 10:12.01 | shuveb | hi, can someone please tell me which package contains "arpsend"? |
| 10:12.08 | Noborusan | hi petemc,my debian uses grub to boot,is there a simple to fix fstab in this matter ? |
| 10:12.13 | cast | shuveb: use apt-file |
| 10:12.31 | user1_ | how do i upgrade all installed packages, please |
| 10:12.34 | shuveb | cast, ok |
| 10:12.48 | petemc | Kevin`: your domain is lan? |
| 10:13.03 | Paparsifal | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 10:13.08 | Kevin` | petemc currently, yes |
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| 10:13.17 | Noborusan | petemc, im on the phone with them,think maybe they can fix it for me |
| 10:13.22 | Kevin` | petemc this is causing problems. |
| 10:13.34 | shuveb | cast, which package contains apt-file ;-) |
| 10:14.11 | Noborusan | petemc, the current situation is,im not sure if it can boot in single user mode |
| 10:15.08 | Kevin` | damn it, this has to be set somewhere! |
| 10:15.33 | cast | shuveb: the apt-file pkg.. |
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| 10:16.28 | lightning | enouf: it attempts to login but cannot |
| 10:16.32 | petemc | Noborusan: you can specify where the root dir is via grub, so you may be able to |
| 10:16.36 | enouf | Kevin`: i see /etc/hosts, /etc/mailname, and /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf here .. but "localhost" also appears in many startup scripts it seems |
| 10:17.17 | petemc | Kevin`: editing /etc/hosts should work |
| 10:17.19 | Kevin` | enouf what option is set in the exim4 config file |
| 10:17.20 | Noborusan | petemc, i only have / swap and /boot |
| 10:17.31 | enouf | lightning: seen /etc/init.d/skeleton? .. i probably wouldn't use rc.local for what you're attempting |
| 10:17.38 | Kevin` | petemc to do that I would have to add an entry that's overriding my dns server, or mess up the localhost entry, right? |
| 10:17.40 | petemc | Noborusan: the easiest way would be a rescue cd |
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| 10:18.07 | subx | i found the solution to the GPG problem, i needed to set the date. |
| 10:18.17 | Noborusan | petemc, okay |
| 10:18.22 | lightning | the bot suggested init.d? |
| 10:18.27 | petemc | Kevin`: overriding your dns server? surly you would want it to say the same thing as the dns server says? |
| 10:18.28 | enouf | Kevin`: i see dc_other_hostnames='localhost.localdomain' |
| 10:18.53 | petemc | enouf: thats exim stuff, its not relevant to system wide |
| 10:18.54 | enouf | Kevin`: perhspa hosts.allow{deny} is interfering too ? |
| 10:18.55 | Kevin` | enouf heh, mine is set to the proper name there, and it still reports lan |
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| 10:19.05 | enouf | petemc: i didn't think so .. |
| 10:19.12 | petemc | Kevin`: is it exim you're having the problem with? |
| 10:19.18 | Kevin` | petemc yes |
| 10:19.24 | lightning | Kevin`: can you jump in here? |
| 10:19.34 | lightning | Kevin`: your method was close but the login failed |
| 10:19.40 | lightning | what's wrong with the line?> |
| 10:19.45 | enouf | Kevin`: /etc/dwww/dwww.conf |
| 10:19.52 | lightning | -su brandon |
| 10:19.55 | petemc | Kevin`: exim will use whatever the output of "hostname -f" is, you set this via /etc/hosts , of you can explicity tell exim which name to use with primary_hostname |
| 10:19.57 | lightning | -su is super user |
| 10:20.02 | lightning | brandon is a regular user |
| 10:20.03 | enouf | and /etc/idmapd.conf return for localdomain |
| 10:20.33 | petemc | Kevin`: exim4 -bP primary_hostname |
| 10:20.36 | enouf | Domain = localdomain in that file |
| 10:21.07 | petemc | Kevin`: if you configure /etc/hosts as i initially told you, your problem is solved |
| 10:21.15 | Kevin` | lightning http://pastebin.ca/635737 - something like this? |
| 10:21.26 | Kevin` | petemc I did that, but I don't like /etc/hosts interfering with stuff :/ |
| 10:21.46 | enouf | wow .. heh man exim<tab><tab> returns a lot .. heh |
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| 10:22.03 | petemc | Kevin`: eh? |
| 10:22.09 | petemc | Kevin`: interfering with what, exactly? |
| 10:22.35 | lightning | Kevin`: my error is smith login: giving up |
| 10:22.46 | lightning | xinit: connection refuse errno 111 |
| 10:22.59 | Kevin` | either I will have to override the localhost entry with something incorrect, or put my internet ip in another location on the computer that has to be updated if it ever changes, which it will soon (I did the latter) |
| 10:23.14 | enouf | i have 4 things listed for dpkg-reconfigure {exim4, exim4-base, exim4-config, exim4-daemon-light} |
| 10:23.16 | petemc | Kevin`: how many ips does your machine have |
| 10:23.24 | Noborusan | petemc, would you check this steps for me please http://pastebin.ca/635739 |
| 10:23.27 | Kevin` | lightning there's probably more errors above that |
| 10:23.38 | Kevin` | petemc two currently |
| 10:23.40 | lightning | i didn't catch them |
| 10:23.42 | Noborusan | petemc, if this is right,i will call them again to do it for me like that. |
| 10:23.44 | lightning | where can i find them? |
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| 10:23.58 | Kevin` | lightning shift+pgup |
| 10:24.03 | petemc | Noborusan: looks ok |
| 10:24.16 | Kevin` | hmm |
| 10:24.19 | lightning | okay brb |
| 10:24.21 | Kevin` | I see what the issue is, I think |
| 10:24.30 | Kevin` | a user without a tty isn't allowed to run startx for some reason |
| 10:24.38 | Noborusan | petemc, so in this way,it doesnt have to know the exact path to the root filesystem nor a cd is required ? |
| 10:24.39 | petemc | Kevin`: your machine should give 'proper' name when you run hostname -f anyway |
| 10:25.18 | petemc | Noborusan: im not 100% , which is why i suggested a rescue cd |
| 10:25.20 | Kevin` | someone help me and lightning allow a non-local user to run startx |
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| 10:25.37 | Noborusan | petemc, i just wonder if those will work for debian,hmm |
| 10:25.54 | xand | root__: you're silences |
| 10:25.55 | Rayen | Hello, I have installed Debian from VMWare on my physical harddisk. But when I boot into Debian (without VMware, but with my physical PC) I am not able to communicate with my network card, when I type "ifconfig eth0" I get the following error message: "Eth0: error fetching interface information: device not found", any idea's? |
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| 10:25.57 | xand | *silenced |
| 10:25.58 | petemc | Noborusan: yes, they should, the only part is mounting / if fstab is hosed |
| 10:26.02 | joefsoD | is there a xampp deb ? |
| 10:26.07 | Kevin` | adding init=/bin/sh will work for debian |
| 10:26.35 | Noborusan | petemc, if it does, i need to specify the exact name of root filesystem instead ? |
| 10:26.36 | xand | root__: root cannot speak in here because you shouldn't irc as root |
| 10:26.45 | petemc | Noborusan: you can do that, yes |
| 10:27.01 | Kevin` | Rayen by default in debian network interfaces are uniquely named based on mac address |
| 10:27.05 | Noborusan | hmm is there a way to list paritions ?cuz i forgot the name of it |
| 10:27.10 | Kevin` | Rayen it might be called something else, check ifconfig -a |
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| 10:27.24 | lightning | Kevin`: user not authorized to run xserver |
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| 10:27.45 | petemc | lightning: have you looked into xhost? |
| 10:27.50 | baktaah | Excuse me I just installed Debian and Im in bash, cant get into startX |
| 10:28.04 | lightning | i have not |
| 10:28.07 | Kevin` | lightning ya, I get the same. the issue is it won't let a user start the X server when they aren't running it from a tty, there must be a way to fix this, hopefully someone else here will know |
| 10:28.11 | baktaah | How do I get my 8600m card working, I tried dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver and downloading nidia-xconfig |
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| 10:28.21 | petemc | lightning: you should, as it specifies who can use the x server |
| 10:28.21 | baktaah | Im still in bash as I said |
| 10:28.29 | MangosDebian | xand: mornin! :) |
| 10:28.39 | Kevin` | petemc he's trying to start one, not allow access to one |
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| 10:29.03 | petemc | Kevin`: thanks for pointing that out, care to explain the difference to me? |
| 10:29.12 | Kevin` | lightning you know, it would probably be easier to install gdm and configure it to login automatically after a few second timeout |
| 10:29.15 | lightning | petemc: where is xhost located? |
| 10:29.16 | MangosDebian | xand: root* is always silenced? |
| 10:29.26 | lightning | Kevin`: i tried that |
| 10:29.27 | baktaah | excuse me could someone please assist me with my nvidia 8600M card, Im just in bash, |
| 10:29.28 | Kevin` | petemc the x server isn't running yet, xhost controlls access to a running xserver |
| 10:29.33 | enouf | i know many/some channels do that |
| 10:29.37 | marcuss | :) |
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| 10:30.05 | petemc | Kevin`: i dont believe you are correct |
| 10:30.08 | Kevin` | someone should help baktaah, I know when i'm in his situation i'm not happy |
| 10:30.17 | Kevin` | petemc |
| 10:30.17 | Kevin` | kevin@kwzs:~$ xhost + |
| 10:30.17 | Kevin` | xhost: unable to open display "" |
| 10:30.18 | baktaah | thanks Kevin` :) |
| 10:30.25 | MangosDebian | marcuss: figured out your script finally? :) |
| 10:30.57 | baktaah | I tried sudo apt-cache search for a nvidia driver, a I did found and download one, but it didnt work.. |
| 10:31.06 | narma | how to create compressed archives in several volume with a certain size ? |
| 10:31.20 | lightning | /usr/bin/xhost is a locked file or program |
| 10:31.21 | baktaah | I also dpkg-reconfigured xorg-xserver to use vesa AND nv both didnt work, Im out of ideas... |
| 10:31.28 | Rayen | Kevin` ifconfig -a, shows an 'eth2' (which is not shown by ifconfig), with a very long HWaddr. I typed "dhclient eth2", there are DHCP Discovers, but there are no offers received.. |
| 10:31.36 | Kevin` | baktaah you can probably get it working by doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and selecting a correct driver |
| 10:31.45 | baktaah | Kevin`: I kinda did |
| 10:31.52 | Kevin` | Rayen do you have firewire? |
| 10:31.53 | baktaah | Kevin`: both VESA and NV, neither of them worked |
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| 10:32.23 | Kevin` | I wonder |
| 10:32.25 | Kevin` | !nvidia |
| 10:32.25 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 10:32.34 | Kevin` | !nvidia one-line |
| 10:32.35 | yangvnc | is there a command which could count lines in the file? |
| 10:32.36 | Kevin` | !nvidia one-liner |
| 10:32.36 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 10:32.45 | themill | yangvnc: wc -l |
| 10:32.47 | Rayen | Kevin` no i haven't.. |
| 10:33.23 | Kevin` | Rayen that's a bit odd then. long as in not 6 bytes? |
| 10:33.25 | baktaah | Kevin`: what should I do, get nvidia kernel or is nvidia-settings enough= |
| 10:33.46 | baktaah | Kevin`: brb gonna try it, can I try it withouth quitting irssi? |
| 10:34.00 | Kevin` | baktaah i'm not really sure, since I don't configure mine that way |
| 10:34.02 | Kjikaqawej | baktaah: ^z |
| 10:34.12 | Kevin` | baktaah should be able to, just log into a different terminal |
| 10:34.14 | baktaah | Kjikaqawej: what? |
| 10:34.19 | Kjikaqawej | control-z |
| 10:34.26 | baktaah | Kevin`: ehm huh? How do I do that |
| 10:34.28 | baktaah | okay thanks kingsley |
| 10:34.31 | Kevin` | don't do that |
| 10:34.31 | Kjikaqawej | then fg t bring irssi back... or switch vt |
| 10:34.32 | baktaah | Kjikaqawej: |
| 10:34.38 | baktaah | fg t ? |
| 10:34.41 | Kevin` | baktaah press alt+f2 or something |
| 10:34.43 | Kjikaqawej | to* |
| 10:34.54 | baktaah | !nvidia |
| 10:34.54 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 10:34.57 | Kevin` | apt+f1 to get back |
| 10:35.00 | baktaah | !nvidia one-liner |
| 10:35.00 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 10:35.05 | baktaah | what is apt ? |
| 10:35.08 | Kjikaqawej | Kevin`: s/he's gotta learn how to use a shell |
| 10:35.25 | Rayen | Kevin` Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-E0-18-00-00-37-36-D3-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
| 10:35.27 | Kevin` | Kjikaqawej ctrl+z will break a network client, cause it to time out |
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| 10:35.42 | Kjikaqawej | Kevin`: irssi is designed not to |
| 10:35.43 | Kevin` | Rayen that really looks like firewire or some other non-ethernet physical device. are you sure you don't have it? |
| 10:36.07 | Kevin` | Rayen anyway, check lspci and see what your network card is |
| 10:36.26 | enouf | bah |
| 10:36.56 | Kjikaqawej | !screen |
| 10:36.56 | dpkg | [screen] allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
| 10:37.07 | Kevin` | I like screen |
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| 10:37.34 | Rayen | Kevin` : lspci command not found. My computer has a firewire port, but there isn't anything connected to it. (and there never has been) |
| 10:37.35 | Kjikaqawej | looks like it didn't matter anyway ;) |
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| 10:38.01 | MangosDebian | Kjikaqawej: heya. can you do me a favour real quick? |
| 10:38.07 | Kevin` | Rayen firewire can function as a network connection between two computers without any extra device, that's why it's there |
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| 10:38.17 | Kevin` | !find bin/lspci |
| 10:38.30 | Trollinator | Hi, i'm running Sid (32-Bit) on an Athlon 64 4000+, and there doesn't seem to be an smp 2.6.22 kernel any more. Which one do i use now? |
| 10:38.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lspci' (1): (/bin/lspci, /usr/bin/lspci) in admin/pciutils. |
| 10:38.34 | Trollinator | -k7? |
| 10:38.43 | Kevin` | Rayen install pciutils |
| 10:39.14 | Kevin` | Trollinator do they have 2.6.22.1? |
| 10:39.42 | jelly-home | Trollinator: all the kernels are smp now, aren't they. |
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| 10:39.53 | Trollinator | Kevin`: The packages are called linux-image-2.6.22-1-<arch> |
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| 10:40.09 | Trollinator | OK, so i'll use the -k7. thanks. |
| 10:40.13 | lightning | xhost did not work |
| 10:40.16 | lightning | display not found |
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| 10:40.23 | Kjikaqawej | !xhost |
| 10:40.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
| 10:40.28 | Kevin` | lol |
| 10:40.43 | jelly-home | Trollinator: yup, -k7 or even -amd64 should be ok |
| 10:40.49 | Kevin` | xhost is the wrong command anyway, the problem is related to something startx is doing checking the tty |
| 10:41.12 | dondelelcaro | lightning: just for reference, could you repeat the problem again? |
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| 10:41.32 | Trollinator | jelly-home: but -amd64 is actually a 64-Bit-Kernel, isn't it? i want to stick with 32-Bit for now |
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| 10:41.54 | jelly-home | Trollinator: the userspace doesn't care. |
| 10:42.06 | lightning | i can't think of the name of the file now |
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| 10:42.33 | lightning | rc. |
| 10:42.35 | fkm | Hi there. I want to buy a new video card. As I now have an ATI card and don't like the fglrx driver I chose to buy a nVidia Card. While googling I found a topic (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1414729) which lists the Geforce 6800XT (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814141026R). But on that page I found: "Operating Systems Supported: Windows 2000/XP". Does someone have some experience with that card or could reco |
| 10:42.35 | fkm | mmend another? |
| 10:42.45 | cpilka | hi folks. i have some trouble running nfs. the clients reports this error message: "Jul 27 11:55:16 spinoza kernel: lockd: server 123.22.41.1 not responding, timed out". any hints whats going wrong? |
| 10:42.47 | Kevin` | lightning wants to get some form of automatic login working, but gdm didn't work for him for some reason he didn't state, and startx won't let a user start an x server without a local tty |
| 10:43.00 | lightning | rc.local |
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| 10:43.27 | Trollinator | Ok, bye (must reboot :)) |
| 10:43.43 | Kevin` | fkm you could just look at the drivers listed on nvidia' |
| 10:43.50 | Kevin` | fkm you could just look at the drivers listed on nvidia's site if your willing to use the binary driver |
| 10:43.58 | lightning | the line Kevin` suggested I add to rc.local isn't logging in correctly or startx'ing |
| 10:44.04 | Kevin` | would tell you quickly enough what's supported |
| 10:44.13 | lightning | got lost in the file name |
| 10:44.13 | Kevin` | lightning it IS logging in correctly, and running startx |
| 10:44.15 | fkm | Oke :) |
| 10:44.24 | lightning | Kevin`: oh |
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| 10:44.33 | SoulChild | Help. I am looking for a GTK WLAN Sniffer! |
| 10:44.38 | lightning | should i try this mitmagic |
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| 10:44.42 | dondelelcaro | why in the world are you running startx in rc.local? |
| 10:44.57 | Kevin` | SoulChild does wireshark use gtk? |
| 10:44.59 | lightning | dondelelcaro: where else would you run it? |
| 10:45.14 | Noborusan | petemc, still there ? |
| 10:45.16 | dondelelcaro | lightning: you wouldn't run it anywhere at all, or you would run it for a specific user in /etc/inittab. |
| 10:45.20 | SoulChild | Kevin`: yes but is there an alternative ? |
| 10:45.29 | Kevin` | SoulChild what features are you looking for |
| 10:45.37 | lightning | dondelelcaro: can i setup the auto-login there? |
| 10:45.38 | SoulChild | Kevin`: i think it does only sniff on my local WLAN Card |
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| 10:45.39 | Kevin` | or what are you using it for |
| 10:45.48 | Kjikaqawej | er, why not just run it like usual, xserver local, clients remote |
| 10:45.51 | dondelelcaro | lightning: and the latter case is only for kiosks where the user and the like. |
| 10:45.52 | Kevin` | SoulChild did you put the card in rfmon/monitor mode? |
| 10:46.07 | dondelelcaro | lightning: auto logins for anything but kiosks (or mythtv machines, etc.) is not something you want to do. |
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| 10:46.17 | Kevin` | SoulChild you should be seeing 802.11 frames mostly, not ethernet |
| 10:46.21 | Kevin` | if your doing it right |
| 10:46.25 | Kjikaqawej | no kidding. ( ) hole |
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| 10:47.11 | lightning | dondelelcaro: can you furthermore help me set this up? |
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| 10:47.29 | dondelelcaro | lightning: I could, but first I want to understand why you're doing it |
| 10:47.31 | Kevin` | SoulChild ? |
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| 10:47.45 | lightning | dondelelcaro: to avoid having to startx |
| 10:48.06 | Kevin` | dondelelcaro here's the underlying problem: |
| 10:48.10 | Kevin` | $ X |
| 10:48.10 | Kevin` | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
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| 10:48.31 | dondelelcaro | lightning: why? run a DM like xdm or gdm if you don't want to use startx |
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| 10:48.51 | |fluxdude| | anyone here know anything about storage clustering? I want a distributed clustered redundant filesystem across several servers. I would ideally need it to be as redundant, expandable (by adding servers) and fast as possible |
| 10:48.55 | lightning | we've gone over this 10 times today, i set icewm in the gdm config and it didn't load |
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| 10:49.24 | |fluxdude| | I'm not sure if I should be looking at AFS, ZFS, or Lustre or something. I guess really I want the Google File System! |
| 10:49.28 | Kevin` | |fluxdude| whoa, buzzword overload :D |
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| 10:49.43 | |fluxdude| | :-) |
| 10:49.48 | baktaah | Kevin`: I couldnt get it to work? |
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| 10:50.02 | Kevin` | baktaah ' |
| 10:50.04 | dondelelcaro | lightning: then create a user .xsession which exec icewm; and use the Debian default session. |
| 10:50.17 | baktaah | !nvidia one-liner |
| 10:50.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 10:50.19 | fkm | Nice, I found a good page :D http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html |
| 10:50.23 | Humanoid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:50.29 | dondelelcaro | lightning: if you want to use startx to start your X server, then edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config appropriately. |
| 10:50.31 | Kevin` | baktaah i'm not sure what to do for nvidia on debian (although vesa or nv should ALWAYS work), none of my debian computers have nvidia |
| 10:50.39 | Kevin` | baktaah on gentoo I just install the driver from nvidia |
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| 10:50.50 | Kevin` | even though that's not "proper" either |
| 10:50.51 | baktaah | I cant get a webbrowser to work now |
| 10:51.04 | baktaah | !nvidia one-liner |
| 10:51.04 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 10:51.10 | Kevin` | baktaah which web browser |
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| 10:51.45 | baktaah | Kevin`: Im in bash/shell |
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| 10:51.49 | baktaah | without xserver |
| 10:51.53 | Kevin` | oh |
| 10:51.55 | baktaah | Its hard to copy that oneliner |
| 10:51.59 | Kevin` | links2 is nice then |
| 10:52.06 | Kevin` | and screen for copying and such |
| 10:52.07 | lightning | dondelelcaro: what do i need to edit in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 10:52.18 | Kevin` | (run your irc client and web browser in screen) |
| 10:52.30 | baktaah | links2? |
| 10:52.44 | Kjikaqawej | an editor |
| 10:52.47 | Kevin` | yes, it's a web browser that doesn't need a gui |
| 10:52.54 | lightning | lol i mean what do i need to edit it to |
| 10:52.56 | dondelelcaro | lightning: allowed_users=console; if you want users to be able to start the X server. |
| 10:53.34 | Kjikaqawej | oops missed that 'in' |
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| 10:53.49 | lightning | dondelelcaro: it is set to that |
| 10:53.57 | lightning | nice_value 1? |
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| 10:54.13 | dondelelcaro | lightning: then startx will work if you're actually on a real physical console. |
| 10:54.27 | dondelelcaro | (and not using ssh or similar) |
| 10:54.35 | Kevin` | why do you want a user process with a priority higher then most of the other processes on the system? |
| 10:54.36 | lightning | well what is the bootup console |
| 10:54.42 | Kevin` | that's an unsmart thing imo |
| 10:54.54 | Kjikaqawej | and unneeded in 2.6 |
| 10:55.13 | dondelelcaro | Kevin`: 1 is actually a lower priority |
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| 10:55.21 | Kjikaqawej | running slower |
| 10:55.25 | lightning | hello, what is the bootup terminal? |
| 10:55.28 | Kevin` | dondelelcaro he said -1 I thought |
| 10:55.29 | lightning | is that ssh/ |
| 10:55.32 | Kjikaqawej | subjectively speaking ;) |
| 10:55.49 | dondelelcaro | lightning: no, it's tty1-7 |
| 10:55.59 | Kevin` | dondelelcaro how do you allow a user not on a cosole to run startx then |
| 10:56.08 | dondelelcaro | Kevin`: you don't |
| 10:56.09 | Kjikaqawej | 6, the x server will grab 7 |
| 10:56.19 | lightning | dondelelcaro: okay but this file is set correctly |
| 10:56.22 | dondelelcaro | depends on the configuration, actually |
| 10:56.37 | lightning | allowed_users=console, nice_value=0 |
| 10:56.41 | lightning | nice_value=1? |
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| 10:56.45 | dondelelcaro | lightning: are you actually physically typing startx into the console on the machine? |
| 10:56.49 | Kjikaqawej | of course, but debian default is usually 1-6, grab 7. |
| 10:56.54 | lightning | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 10:57.00 | lightning | after logging in |
| 10:57.00 | dondelelcaro | lightning: and what does startx say? |
| 10:57.08 | lightning | it starts after logging in |
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| 10:57.28 | dondelelcaro | ok... so what's the problem? |
| 10:57.50 | lightning | i'd just like to be able to bypass that if i can, i didn't ever think it would be this complicated! |
| 10:57.59 | Kjikaqawej | o_O |
| 10:58.04 | dondelelcaro | lightning: if you want to bypass it, then you need to use gdm or xdm or similar. |
| 10:58.05 | lightning | :( |
| 10:58.34 | lightning | well what is all this he say she say bs about rc.local! |
| 10:58.38 | cast | well, grml logs you into a console at boot, then one could edit the .bash_login to startx i wonder |
| 10:58.39 | lightning | and init.d |
| 10:58.41 | dondelelcaro | lightning: and if you use gdm, you need to select the Debian session from whatever the session selector is. If you can't find it, use xdm instead, which *only* uses the Debian session. |
| 10:59.00 | dondelelcaro | lightning: I've no idea; you probably confused everyone when you started talking about automatic logins. |
| 10:59.31 | lightning | well i appreciate the help |
| 10:59.38 | lightning | i found something online i think i can refer to |
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| 10:59.49 | lightning | it just looks way complex |
| 11:00.27 | lightning | if i can't get it working soon i'll decide between logging in and gdm |
| 11:00.41 | lightning | can i at least create an auto startx after login? |
| 11:01.37 | dondelelcaro | lightning: if you always want X to start, then use xdm. |
| 11:02.15 | themill | lightning: to start X automatically on every boot, aptitude install xdm (or gdm or kdm) |
| 11:03.06 | lightning | xdm allows for auto-login |
| 11:03.08 | themill | lightning: instead of the text-console login screen, that will give you a graphical login screen after which your graphical environment will start |
| 11:03.29 | themill | lightning: all the managers can be convinced to do an autologin, but it's not really worth it |
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| 11:04.19 | lightning | right, i'll consider the options, play with it and see how it run |
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| 11:05.01 | lightning | !rc.local |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | rc.local is, like, /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.lcoal). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
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| 11:05.16 | lightning | !init |
| 11:05.19 | lightning | !init.d |
| 11:05.20 | dpkg | [init] the init daemon |
| 11:05.22 | dpkg | init.d is probably where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README |
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| 11:09.17 | kanaldrache | Moin! |
| 11:09.28 | kanaldrache | Is there a policy for configuration files generated by postinst? |
| 11:09.48 | kanaldrache | Is there a way to generate them, without actually installing the package? |
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| 11:10.30 | kanaldrache | I mean, there's actually a lot more happening in postinst than just generating configuration files |
| 11:10.53 | Guerin | kanaldrache: you probably want to read the new maintainer's guide |
| 11:10.56 | Guerin | !nm guide |
| 11:10.56 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 11:11.16 | Guerin | kanaldrache: also ask in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 11:11.59 | kanaldrache | Guerin: Thanks ... i don't want to pack a new package but rather put debian configuration files under svn for diffs |
| 11:12.11 | kanaldrache | That means, my boss wants me to do that... :) |
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| 11:12.47 | dondelelcaro | kanaldrache: the general thought is that you probably shouldn't be completely generating the configuration file in postinst |
| 11:12.56 | Guerin | kanaldrache: since it's been some years since I read the guide, I can't tell you whether it contains such information. |
| 11:12.59 | Guerin | ah |
| 11:13.06 | Guerin | dondelelcaro is the man to ask |
| 11:14.01 | dondelelcaro | kanaldrache: ideally you'd source the configuration file, if it exists, populate the values you want to configure, then allow the values to be changed using debconf (at appropriate priorities if they'res no sane default) then rewrite those specific values in the configuration file, leaving the rest of the configuration file intact. |
| 11:14.05 | kanaldrache | dondelelcaro: That's a rather new thought, isn't it? I have quite a few packages here that seems to do exactly that ... libpam-ldap for sure, but there are more |
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| 11:15.01 | dondelelcaro | kanaldrache: some packages do, but you generally shouldn't unless you absolutely have to |
| 11:15.09 | |fluxdude| | I have a fileserver on linux, all users share a network drive, but need to be able to delete files ending in .fxp. I don't want to give them any rights though, is there a way to write a script which can do only this and give them a mechanism from windows to activate this script with a file name which I can them check is a .fxp to allow deletion? |
| 11:15.22 | kanaldrache | dondelelcaro: Would that be a reason to file a bug report? |
| 11:15.37 | dondelelcaro | kanaldrache: if the way it was generated violated policy, definetly. |
| 11:15.52 | dondelelcaro | kanaldrache: in that I mean that it overwrote admin configuration or similar |
| 11:15.56 | kanaldrache | dondelelcaro: That was the question ... i don't find any policy regarding that |
| 11:16.05 | kanaldrache | Ah, okay... |
| 11:16.10 | dondelelcaro | kanaldrache: the policy doesn't define how you do it; it defines what must be done. |
| 11:16.22 | dondelelcaro | (well, often doesn't define how you do it) |
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| 11:16.47 | Guerin | |fluxdude|: do they *need* to be able to do it personally? Or is there a simpler way, like deleting all such files at a certain interval? |
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| 11:17.14 | |fluxdude| | Guerin: yeah I was just thinking of that, being able to do it personally would be much much better. |
| 11:17.26 | |fluxdude| | not sure about croning a general deletion of all .fxps |
| 11:17.37 | dondelelcaro | |fluxdude|: alternatively, can you grant them write access to those specific files using users/groups? |
| 11:17.56 | themill | How do you change kde/konqi from "single click to open" to "double click to open" |
| 11:17.58 | dondelelcaro | (and using a cronjob occasionally to chgrp/chmod them?) |
| 11:18.14 | Guerin | |fluxdude|: well, you could write a shell script which deletes certain files on a command line, and allow it in sudo |
| 11:18.16 | dondelelcaro | s#mod#&/chown#; |
| 11:18.28 | Guerin | but your script would have to be bulletproof |
| 11:18.48 | enouf | themill: somewhere in k control center |
| 11:18.54 | Guerin | themill: kcontrol |
| 11:18.58 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 11:19.06 | themill | that much I knew... |
| 11:19.12 | Guerin | themill: choose `windows-like' general theme or something |
| 11:19.17 | enouf | hehe |
| 11:19.19 | Guerin | as opposed to the default |
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| 11:19.30 | enouf | File manger |
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| 11:19.39 | enouf | settings perhaps |
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| 11:20.20 | danf_1979 | Hi guys. I just tried to make a incremental backup with rdiff-backup from etch (production) to lenny (backup server), but rdiff-backup died with an exceptions.ValueError. Lenny has rdiff-backup 1.1.12 and etch 1.1.5. Here is the pastebin: http://www.pastebin.ca/raw/635777 |
| 11:20.58 | |fluxdude| | dondelelcaro: I don't want to give all users an account on the server, that would be bad |
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| 11:21.07 | danf_1979 | this is the second time I do a backup. The first one I _think_ it was with an earlier version of rdiff-backup in lenny. I'm not sure, but it worked though |
| 11:21.13 | danf_1979 | any clues of the error? |
| 11:21.53 | dondelelcaro | |fluxdude|: they have some account already because they can access the share. |
| 11:22.23 | themill | Guerin, enouf: it's under mouse settings (would you believe). No wonder I didn't remember that from the last time I did it. |
| 11:22.24 | dondelelcaro | |fluxdude|: if the share isn't read only, then you can change the permissions on the files that you want them to be allowed to delete so that they can delete them in their file browser or whatever. |
| 11:22.28 | themill | Guerin, enouf: thanks anyway |
| 11:22.54 | enouf | themill: heh .. yeah .. and Ouch! |
| 11:23.40 | enouf | i was looking here myself and couldn't find it ..heh |
| 11:23.45 | danf_1979 | this is the command I used from lenny, if someone wants to look at it :( |
| 11:23.47 | danf_1979 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.23 | danf_1979 | this happened: http://www.pastebin.ca/raw/635777 |
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| 11:25.36 | jmd | Why the hell doesn't etch have a version of amaya? |
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| 11:26.27 | streuner | jmd: i guess, RC bugs or such |
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| 11:26.37 | streuner | !inof amaya etch |
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| 11:27.06 | streuner | jmd: try backports.org or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 11:27.13 | streuner | dpkg, hi |
| 11:27.14 | dpkg | niihau, streuner |
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| 11:27.16 | streuner | hm |
| 11:27.23 | jmd | streuner, tnx |
| 11:27.26 | streuner | !info amaya etch |
| 11:28.10 | dondelelcaro | jmd: probably because of bugs like #414380 |
| 11:28.34 | dondelelcaro | jmd: if you want it to make it into lenny, helping fix those bugs is a good idea |
| 11:28.45 | streuner | its only in unstable, atm |
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| 11:29.34 | triplc | stoffell_w, are you still there.... |
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| 11:30.05 | triplc | stoffell_w, i need your help... |
| 11:31.05 | nsx | is there any way to tell apt to not use pdiffs if there are more than n pdiffs to download, or if it's been n number of days since an 'apt-get update' was done? (I know how to disable them altogether) |
| 11:31.33 | triplc | How to make Etch installer recognize harddisk (SCSI) of IBM x3650 rack? I am now using the latest netinstall iso image, and it recognize CDROM now (good luck).... but it does not recognize the SCSI Harddisk :-( Please help me |
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| 11:32.28 | petemc | triplc: you need to ensure the kernel has support for that hardware, if the default etch kernel doesnt, theres a chance some nice person would have made a cd that does, try googling |
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| 11:33.04 | streuner | petemc: there are serveral installers out there, not only d-i (etch) |
| 11:33.07 | h3sp4wn | triplc: or try the kmuto version with 2.6.21 (if you know its supported by a later kernel) - http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 11:33.16 | petemc | streuner: you dont say |
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| 11:33.34 | streuner | petemc: hm? |
| 11:33.42 | streuner | !di |
| 11:33.42 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 11:33.50 | petemc | streuner: i was being sarcastic |
| 11:33.53 | B|nTaRa | lo |
| 11:34.05 | streuner | !listvals linuxmafia |
| 11:34.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'linuxmafia' by value (15 of 17): /usr/src/linux ;; distrowars ;; filesystem comparison ;; gforward ;; gifswfs ;; groups rationale ;; gshield ;; installers ;; ntfs ;; package database repair ;; sata ;; sata faq ;; stuffit ;; testing ;; wordperfect. |
| 11:34.08 | triplc | ok |
| 11:34.09 | B|nTaRa | whats the command to know what kind of graphic card im using ? |
| 11:34.13 | petemc | lspic |
| 11:34.15 | nsx | !pdiff |
| 11:34.15 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 11:34.17 | petemc | erm lspci |
| 11:34.24 | h3sp4wn | debian2hd (part of grml) is as easy as anything to use (not grml2hd - which installs extra stuff) |
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| 11:34.25 | streuner | !installers |
| 11:34.25 | dpkg | it has been said that installers is see http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 11:34.28 | nsx | that wasn't helpful :( |
| 11:34.42 | streuner | petemc: oh |
| 11:34.44 | B|nTaRa | petemc, thank you |
| 11:34.46 | abrotman | nsx: what do you want to know? |
| 11:35.02 | streuner | triplc: /msg dpkg installers |
| 11:35.03 | nsx | (07:31:05 am) <nsx> is there any way to tell apt to not use pdiffs if there are more than n pdiffs to download, or if it's been n number of days since an 'apt-get update' was done? (I know how to disable them altogether) |
| 11:35.14 | abrotman | nsx: it tells you at the end of the factoid |
| 11:35.16 | abrotman | oh |
| 11:35.16 | triplc | streuner, thanks |
| 11:35.20 | streuner | triplc: well, you could ask in #debian-boot as well |
| 11:35.29 | abrotman | nsx: i don't think so .. you could email the maintainers |
| 11:35.40 | nsx | it'd be a nice feature |
| 11:35.46 | streuner | triplc: if the hardware isnt supported, you need prolly to file a bugreport |
| 11:35.52 | nsx | it's useful to use them if it's only been a few days since you've last updated |
| 11:36.03 | streuner | triplc: that would be very helpful |
| 11:36.10 | triplc | streuner, i see |
| 11:36.11 | abrotman | nsx: or since you seem capable .. you oculdj ust turn it off .. then comment out the that option when you don't wnat it |
| 11:36.15 | nsx | but if you're using testing/unstable, and it's been weeks, they're useless |
| 11:37.19 | nsx | I also often have them fail when it's been over a week |
| 11:37.35 | nsx | I'll get a md5sum mismatch on the package file |
| 11:39.12 | abrotman | i haven't seen that |
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| 11:41.05 | enouf | isn't it possible to (if he can get that far into a sh) just modprobe <scsi-module-name> in a differnet VT? ..or even roll his own initrd, and pass that to the kernel on boot? |
| 11:41.32 | enouf | (obviously the correct module would need to be available sonewhere in the list of modules) |
| 11:42.12 | h3sp4wn | triplc: Have you got alot of them ? (probably be easier to work out how the management stuff works by using one of the ibm supported os's |
| 11:42.14 | danf_1979 | I'm using rdiff-backup to backup my production (Etch) on Lenny. The first time I runned the backup it finished with no errors. That was maybe 4 days ago. Yesterday, rdiff-backup was updated from 1.1.9-2 to 1.1.12-1 via aptitude. Today it failed with an exceptions.ValueError. I have no clue on that. This is my first time with rdiff-backup, and Google doesn't help, nor does the docs on rdiff. Here is the error: http://www.pastebin.ca/raw/635777 |
| 11:42.16 | danf_1979 | any clues? |
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| 11:43.44 | nsx | abrotman: do you track unstable? |
| 11:43.58 | stoffell_w | triplc, have you gotten any further yet? |
| 11:44.04 | triplc | h3sp4wn, the company just bought this server... and I'd like to install Debian... I am looking into the CDs that come with the server to see if they have driver |
| 11:44.30 | triplc | stoffell_w, no... after using the latest netinstall, i now stucked in SCSI harddisk |
| 11:44.40 | abrotman | nsx: do i look crazy?! |
| 11:44.54 | abrotman | nsx: no, i track lenny on my main home laptop |
| 11:44.57 | stoffell_w | triplc, oh, weird, you just did a boot without any special options? |
| 11:45.05 | triplc | stoffell_w, it is ok with CDROM, but not the harddisk. |
| 11:45.14 | abrotman | nsx: i have sid and etch in VMs |
| 11:45.15 | h3sp4wn | triplc: depends on time and stuff - if I had a decent number I would build an installer with all the stuff in but that would be made significantly easier by looking at it when it was working |
| 11:45.20 | Kevin` | is the cdrom attached to the same scsi card? |
| 11:45.45 | triplc | stoffell_w, yes. I restored the BIOS settings all to default, Debian installer is default boot (by pressing Enter) |
| 11:45.53 | enouf | triplc: have you seen the (varied samples) in the FN keys? |
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| 11:46.00 | stoffell_w | triplc, okay, what error do you get? that it doesn't find any disks ? |
| 11:46.07 | triplc | the CDROM is IDS second master, HDD is in SCSI |
| 11:46.07 | Kevin` | triplc did you post a listing from lspci before? |
| 11:46.09 | denied-- | i have problem with compiz |
| 11:46.11 | denied-- | http://paste.debian.net/33510 |
| 11:46.16 | denied-- | what did i missed ? |
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| 11:46.58 | triplc | I do not see any errors reported, it just say cannot find HDD and it list a listing of drivers for me to chose |
| 11:47.17 | stoffell_w | okay, weird... any idea what scsi card is in it? (raid?) |
| 11:47.34 | Kevin` | that's why I asked for lspci :) |
| 11:47.43 | Kevin` | although looking would certainly work too |
| 11:47.50 | triplc | stoffell_w, ok, let me hard-boot the computer to see the SCSI config |
| 11:48.12 | stoffell_w | triplc, yes, or as Kevin said, do lspci in a different console.. |
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| 11:49.17 | denied-- | http://paste.debian.net/33512 |
| 11:49.20 | denied-- | lspci |
| 11:49.28 | triplc | oh |
| 11:49.36 | triplc | it's reboot now |
| 11:49.39 | enouf | The combination of the IBM System x3650 Server and LeftHand Networks* SAN/iQ* software ... Built on high-performance serial-attached SCSI (SAS) disk drives, ... |
| 11:49.48 | enouf | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sas.html |
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| 11:50.39 | hermogenes | Is there a way to automaticaly remove all packages installed by apt-get build-dep packagename? |
| 11:50.54 | enouf | IBM System x3650 Express Server IBM System x3650 Express Server - 1 x Xeon 2.67GHz - 1GB DDR2 SDRAM - Ultra ATA RAID Controller, Serial Attached SCSI |
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| 11:51.10 | dondelelcaro | hermogenes: the best way is to use pbuilder or similar; the alternative is to use aptitude |
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| 11:52.02 | hermogenes | dondelelcaro: how to do it with aptitude? |
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| 11:54.55 | enouf | ugh -> The hassles begin when booting the server for the first time. Luckily IBM has redesigned it's server support pages, allowing quick and easy access to all firmware updates at once. As usual, you need to flash a custom firmware to the RSA card, to allow proper support. This time around, i also had to update all the SAS Disks firmware, which was quite a hassle because this didn't play well with the RSA II CD drive, i had to use the loca |
| 11:55.16 | jmd | hermogenes, "rm -rf /" will do that for you. |
| 11:55.38 | petemc | jmd: thats a good way to get kicked |
| 11:55.41 | hermogenes | jmd: i don't think so :-) |
| 11:56.10 | jmd | petemc, Is it not true? |
| 11:56.39 | petemc | jmd: thats a silly argument |
| 11:57.01 | jmd | It was a question. Not an argument. |
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| 11:57.58 | petemc | jmd: its both, but i have no interest in discussing it any further with you |
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| 11:58.43 | enouf | Storage Controller Name Adaptec AIC-9580W Type Serial Attached SCSI |
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| 12:00.33 | HardDisk_WP | how can I find out if my DVD device slows down reading at video dvds? |
| 12:00.43 | dondelelcaro | jmd: giving that kind of advice will actually get you k-lined from this network. Consider being silenced for the next 24 hours a warning. |
| 12:01.19 | HardDisk_WP | dondelelcaro, wow... |
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| 12:01.28 | nsx | how about a public execution instead? |
| 12:01.54 | streuner | Its a OLD tradition in #debian using such a command is very harsh |
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| 12:02.25 | streuner | If you want discuss, to give such advise to newbies do that elsewhere |
| 12:02.37 | dondelelcaro | giving any type of bad advice isn't good, but advice that directly and obviously causes harm isn't tolerated |
| 12:02.44 | nsx | it's pretty much a tradition in every help channel to ban those who give malicious advice |
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| 12:05.03 | golax | Hi people |
| 12:05.10 | streuner | HardDisk_WP: often its just the CPU itselfs |
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| 12:05.30 | nsx | could you be more specific about what you're asking, HardDisk_WP? |
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| 12:06.44 | user1_ | what software can update spamassasin rules? |
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| 12:07.54 | dondelelcaro | user1_: sa-update in spamassassin |
| 12:07.56 | abrotman | isn't there |
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| 12:08.26 | danf_1979 | rythmbox is bigger than my screen at 1024*768 and cannot be resized horizontally. Uhmm |
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| 12:08.36 | palestinian | hello |
| 12:08.41 | triplc | Kevin`, i reboot that ibm x3650 and run lspi in another console, but i do not know what is scsi |
| 12:08.47 | palestinian | someone knows how can I install hebrew in my debian? |
| 12:08.55 | triplc | Kevin`, I see: Adaptec AAC-RAID |
| 12:09.05 | streuner | palestinian: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:09.14 | dondelelcaro | palestinian: you mean hebrew documentation? or hebrew fonts? or the locale? or? |
| 12:09.18 | streuner | palestinian: and choose the language you want |
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| 12:09.32 | triplc | Kevin`, is that the one?... but when I come back to the installer console, and manually select the driver --aacraid-- it does not work |
| 12:09.40 | palestinian | dondelelcaro, hebrew fonts,to write |
| 12:09.48 | abrotman | !hebrew |
| 12:09.48 | dpkg | methinks hebrew is to install hebrew fonts in debian: apt-get install culmus, or check out http://iglu.org.il/faq/cache/8.html or http://debian-hebrew.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 12:10.16 | HardDisk_WP | nsx, some drives speed down the DVD speed to 2x for noise reduction if they seek to VIDEO_TS directory |
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| 12:10.48 | streuner | if the device found an error it automatically disable DMA sometimes... |
| 12:11.30 | savvas | the hard drives in /dev/ can only start with h or s right? i.e. /dev/sda or /dev/hdb ? |
| 12:11.38 | danf_1979 | I want to downgrade a package. I think my /etc/apt/preferences is ready. I want to install rdiff-backup from stable (in lenny). Do I have to modify my sources.list to Etch so to install this package? Because I just did an upgrade, and it remains in the testing version still... |
| 12:11.41 | dondelelcaro | savvas: no |
| 12:11.49 | streuner | SCSI/SATA disks starts with "s" |
| 12:11.58 | streuner | IDE/ATAPI with "h" |
| 12:12.02 | HardDisk_WP | streuner, nothing about errors is in dmesg |
| 12:12.12 | streuner | HardDisk_WP: just use another DVD |
| 12:12.26 | streuner | and make sure DMA is enabled |
| 12:12.35 | HardDisk_WP | yea..at a normal data dvd the copying makes the drive spin up |
| 12:13.11 | HardDisk_WP | at a vid dvd the drive dont really spin up, even if i am copying the file system (and the dvds which i try are all in good state) |
| 12:13.17 | dondelelcaro | savvas: there's nothing stoping a harddrive from being at any name in /dev; code that does anything based on the name of the device (without it being user configurable) tends to be buggy |
| 12:14.26 | Kevin` | HardDisk_WP is this a commercial video dvd? |
| 12:14.31 | savvas | hm.. |
| 12:14.38 | HardDisk_WP | Kevin`, yes |
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| 12:15.02 | palestinian | thnx |
| 12:15.04 | Kevin` | HardDisk_WP those are copy protected in odd ways, are you using a program that handles that properly? |
| 12:15.20 | savvas | dondelelcaro: so how can i list all the hard drives? |
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| 12:15.46 | Kevin` | I would love to see a libdvdcss kernel module/layer for dvds, that would make things rather easier |
| 12:15.53 | streuner | fdisk -l would list all partitions, so all HDs |
| 12:16.03 | xand | streuner: not necessarily. |
| 12:16.06 | dondelelcaro | savvas: what do you plan on doing with them? |
| 12:16.07 | HardDisk_WP | Kevin`, no, i use libdvdcss...and another drive (at another computer) copies them at full speed) |
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| 12:16.20 | HardDisk_WP | so it must be my drive...it's some LG model |
| 12:16.26 | Kevin` | HardDisk_WP try using hdparm to set the speed while it's copying |
| 12:16.47 | HardDisk_WP | okay |
| 12:16.52 | savvas | dondelelcaro: nothing, i plan to learn about it - I'm curious if this can be a one-line command or not heh :) |
| 12:17.16 | kurcze | hello... I've a problem.. up arrow doesn't work in bash shell (or any other shell) so that I cannot retrieve commands from history |
| 12:17.26 | dondelelcaro | savvas: well, once you figure out what you plan on doing with the harddrives, the way of doing it will become clearer. |
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| 12:17.31 | kurcze | I suppose it's a case of missing package |
| 12:17.42 | kurcze | Does anybody know how to solve it? |
| 12:17.51 | savvas | dondelelcaro: "i don't know" would suffice |
| 12:17.53 | HardDisk_WP | Kevin`, so hdparm -E 16 will set my dvd drive to 16x? |
| 12:17.53 | dondelelcaro | kurcze: there's no package that would activate it; are you using up arrow in X? |
| 12:18.09 | kurcze | yes |
| 12:18.10 | abrotman | is there actually anything in your history? |
| 12:18.14 | Kevin` | HardDisk_WP it's probably based on cdrom data rates, but yes it should |
| 12:18.18 | kurcze | in pure terminal it works |
| 12:18.25 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 12:18.27 | dondelelcaro | kurcze: check what xev; returns for up arrow. |
| 12:18.38 | kurcze | xev return values are ok |
| 12:18.44 | dondelelcaro | kurcze: it's possible that it's not mapped correctly. history; will also list what's in your shell's history. |
| 12:18.55 | dondelelcaro | kurcze: does up arrow work in anything in a shell? what terminal are you using? |
| 12:19.21 | kurcze | history cmd works fine |
| 12:19.31 | dondelelcaro | savvas: I can think of about 3 ways to do it right now, so saying "I don't know" would be imprecise. |
| 12:19.32 | Kevin` | do other line editing things work? |
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| 12:20.39 | kurcze | dondelelcaro, up arrow works in vim for example |
| 12:20.52 | dondelelcaro | kurcze: in vim in a shell? |
| 12:21.03 | kurcze | yes |
| 12:21.14 | dondelelcaro | kurcze: does it work in say, less in a shell? |
| 12:21.46 | kurcze | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 12:22.56 | dondelelcaro | kurcze: do you have a ~/.inputrc or any other wierd readline settings? |
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| 12:23.50 | kurcze | dondelelcaro, yeah... wait a second :) |
| 12:23.54 | streuner | haha |
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| 12:24.27 | kurcze | dondelelcaro, what should I have in this file? |
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| 12:25.33 | dondelelcaro | kurcze: if you've got one, then you should have whatever readline settings you want in it; if you don't know what that means, then you probably shouldn't have one |
| 12:25.49 | kurcze | :) |
| 12:26.09 | triplc | i think it's working, the Etch installer and ibm x3650 works just fine. it was my stupid error. this is the brand new computer, and I need to configure the hardware RAID first... after that, it work without problem |
| 12:26.10 | kurcze | I'll try to run terminal without this file |
| 12:26.13 | triplc | thanks you all |
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| 12:26.49 | dondelelcaro | triplc: np; good that it's working |
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| 12:34.13 | kurcze | dondelelcaro, I've just figured out that "up arrow" key works in xterm but it doesn't in gnome-terminal or xfce4-terminal |
| 12:34.29 | lightning | dondelelcaro: okay i installed gdm can you help me configure it? |
| 12:34.32 | kurcze | dondelelcaro, so.. sorry for bothering you :) |
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| 12:35.01 | kurcze | dondelelcaro, It is probably libvte9 that should be blamed |
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| 12:37.49 | semprix | guys i have kernel 2.6.18 on etch |
| 12:37.55 | semprix | do i need to update to 22? |
| 12:37.56 | streuner | sure |
| 12:37.58 | streuner | no |
| 12:38.08 | kurcze | dondelelcaro, thank you for help |
| 12:38.10 | streuner | only if you have an important reason |
| 12:38.16 | kurcze | bye |
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| 12:38.22 | streuner | semprix: if there is no need just use 2.6.18 |
| 12:38.29 | semprix | k thanks :) |
| 12:38.51 | streuner | semprix: even if security issues would come, the kernel itself would be updated then... |
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| 12:39.20 | streuner | semprix: make sure you have a "security line" in sources.list |
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| 12:39.52 | semprix | streuner, sir yes sir |
| 12:39.53 | semprix | :) |
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| 12:40.03 | semprix | roger that :P |
| 12:40.08 | dondelelcaro | lightning: I don't use gdm, but its configuration is in /etc/gdm/ |
| 12:40.25 | hermogenes | pbuilder is nice. |
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| 12:40.54 | lightning | dondelelcaro: can i ask you a question? |
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| 12:41.02 | dondelelcaro | lightning: you just did... |
| 12:41.10 | lightning | why, without gdm, didn't terminal boot to login$ |
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| 12:41.32 | abrotman | no display manager at all ? |
| 12:41.41 | lightning | yes |
| 12:41.53 | dondelelcaro | lightning: without a display manager, getty should start login on tty1. |
| 12:41.53 | lightning | no dm |
| 12:41.55 | abrotman | you didn't have one installed .. |
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| 12:42.24 | dondelelcaro | lightning: so you'll get the login: prompt. If you're asking why there was no X login prompt, that's what a display manager does. |
| 12:42.27 | lightning | getty should start login on tty1 and leave me at a login prompt? |
| 12:42.28 | abrotman | lightning: some people prefer that the system not go to a GUI login |
| 12:42.41 | dondelelcaro | lightning: if you're not using a display manager, yes. |
| 12:42.46 | hermogenes | but i wonder if is there realy a way to automaticaly remove building dependecies for a package using aptitude... I just cant find the information |
| 12:42.59 | lightning | no i don't even get the login prompt, i get stuck at network something, then i have to hit enter |
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| 12:43.13 | hermogenes | the only thing i found was a perl script who use equivs to create a dummy package |
| 12:43.26 | dondelelcaro | hermogenes: the reason why it works is because you just mark those packages as automatically installed, so the next time aptitude runs, it removes them. |
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| 12:43.44 | lightning | why would it get stuck like that? |
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| 12:43.51 | lightning | and how can i fix it? |
| 12:43.54 | hermogenes | dondelelcaro: ah. :-) |
| 12:44.10 | hermogenes | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 12:45.08 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: DVD Video are only supposed to be doing playback at 1x ..lol |
| 12:45.42 | HardDisk_WP | lol is that even fast enough to transport the data? |
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| 12:45.50 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: ofcourse |
| 12:45.55 | lightning | would bootup still be trying to read gdm.conf? |
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| 12:47.04 | Noborusan | i cannot fix fstab problem |
| 12:47.25 | Noborusan | can boot in single user mode no problem |
| 12:47.54 | Noborusan | but in single user mode,dont have permission to change the permittion on the file /etc/fstab |
| 12:48.12 | Noborusan | it is rw-r--r-- for it |
| 12:48.41 | Internat85 | is there a way maybe sudo or something simular, that i can make it that a user can chown files to list of other users? |
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| 12:49.38 | lightning | sudo chown? |
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| 12:50.10 | Internat85 | yeah but that would allow to chown files owned by root etc |
| 12:50.17 | oz_ | Hi, i have a problem in Debian with wine and steam, when i try to run a game i obtain this message : Error initializing gl driver, check that the file'opengl32.dll' exist., anyone know how to run Steam game on Linux? (sorry about my poor english) |
| 12:50.23 | Internat85 | i want it so that this user can chown files it owns, or that the subset own.. |
| 12:51.39 | lightning | i'm not sure how to do that |
| 12:52.21 | Internat85 | im thinking i may have to write a wrapper or something simular |
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| 12:54.07 | Internat85 | im thinking i may have to write a wrapper or something simular |
| 12:54.07 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: i found some weird shit like * Variable Playback Speed Control (x0.6 - x1.4) http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=344860&tabtype=rv |
| 12:54.07 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: and shit like --> And for notebook users, these players turn your system into a portable theatre, with full-screen display and surround-sound through headphones. They even can speed up playback to fit your time constraints, and optimize the processing to preserve battery life. |
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| 12:54.28 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, thanks a lot! |
| 12:54.41 | enouf | which makes no friggin sense to me .. :-P .. i don't want the movie in highspeed! chipmunkers, faster action ..lol http://manifest-tech.com/media_dvd/dvd_play_movie.htm |
| 12:54.42 | lightning | enouf: why isn't bootup, without a gdm, leaving me at a prompt, but pausing after network interface load |
| 12:54.48 | dyrne | oz_: id try #winehq |
| 12:54.51 | rlc | not sure |
| 12:54.55 | HardDisk_WP | afk |
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| 12:55.50 | enouf | lightning: exactly where is is pausing? dmesg have any errors? |
| 12:55.55 | enouf | is it* |
| 12:56.05 | oz_ | thks ) |
| 12:56.06 | oz_ | =) |
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| 12:56.58 | rastilin | Hands up who's heard of wine-doors? |
| 12:57.31 | enouf | lightning: if you want to boot straight to prompt/console, just remove any startx entries |
| 12:57.40 | ktwilight_ | am trying to use zh-autoconvert, but couldn't find the docs for it...anyone use it before? |
| 12:57.48 | rastilin | Well, my qestion, is there anyone running Debian Stable who's managed to get it working? |
| 12:57.55 | lightning | oh yeah, i think i put one in .xsession |
| 12:58.30 | ktwilight_ | åŒå¿—ä»¬ï¼ |
| 12:58.45 | enouf | ktwilight_: /usr/share/doc ? |
| 12:58.57 | enouf | ktwilight_: dpkg -L zh-autoconvert |
| 12:59.24 | ktwilight_ | ah, /usr/share/doc, i was looking in the wrong dir... |
| 12:59.53 | Internat85 | anyone know if with ncftp you can set a keepalive/ping on the control channel? |
| 13:00.36 | azeem | Internat85: no need to cross-post |
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| 13:01.33 | jelly-home | rastilin: so, what IS wine-doors? |
| 13:01.42 | lightning | i don't believe to have any startx's anywhere and it still doesn't display prompt |
| 13:01.46 | lightning | i have to hit enter |
| 13:03.11 | rastilin | jelly-home; It's a frontend to wine that does autoconfiguration for various applications. Since getting the more recent apps to work can be quite fiddly. But it has an interesting bug, it tries to load a module that doesn't exist in Debian stable. The developers are really touchy about it. |
| 13:03.23 | rastilin | Especially since someone sent them several thousand e-mails about it. |
| 13:03.26 | ktwilight_ | it's nice when the docs are all jumbled up in <insert your favourite symbols> |
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| 13:04.10 | jelly-home | rastilin: a wine module? |
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| 13:04.33 | rastilin | jelly-home: A python module actually. Called "rsvg", it exists in Debian testing, but not stable. |
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| 13:04.53 | jelly-home | rastilin: ah. Well, backport it then? |
| 13:05.27 | jelly-home | python modules shouldn't be hard to backport, assuming they work with the older version of the language. |
| 13:05.44 | lightning | i don't know what else there is to remove |
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| 13:07.23 | rastilin | jelly-home; Granted, but I have very little experience with this sort of thing. |
| 13:08.03 | jelly-home | rastilin: that's about the only thing to do. stable doesn't get new software. |
| 13:09.13 | hermogenes | !simple sid backport |
| 13:09.13 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 13:09.52 | rastilin | jelly-home; That's true. I was wondering if anyone had actually gotten it running a different way. If I'm right then I'd be happier waiting than to fiddle with my system. The package has 5+ low-level dependencies btw. |
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| 13:10.47 | rastilin | hermogenes: Thanks for mentioning it though. |
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| 13:11.07 | jelly-home | rastilin: backports are pretty much THE way such things are done. |
| 13:12.09 | jelly-home | rastilin: or, if it's not a production machine, you can bite the bullet and dist-upgrade to testing with all the consequences |
| 13:12.13 | lightning | if i remove network-manager will i lose connection to the internet? |
| 13:12.41 | rastilin | Yeah, it's the machine I do my work on. |
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| 13:12.57 | xand | lightning: no |
| 13:13.05 | xand | lightning: well, you shouldn't need it. |
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| 13:13.25 | lightning | where can i ensure that i'm properly configured? |
| 13:14.31 | xand | check /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:15.26 | subx | ive installed adobe flash player 9 in iceweasel, it works but without any sound, the sound works ok on other stuff, do i need to add the adobe flashplayer to a audio group? |
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| 13:16.14 | stoned | rastilin: dragonlance? |
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| 13:16.28 | boro | hello |
| 13:16.38 | boro | anyone experiencing problesm with etch and xen 3.1 ? |
| 13:16.45 | rastilin | stoned: Bingo |
| 13:16.49 | stoned | subx: install alsa-oss? |
| 13:17.08 | subx | ok ill install that |
| 13:17.14 | stoned | I feel so nauseated and heartburned |
| 13:17.16 | mike1o | my pc is not booting anymore... Ive booted from a live cd and can see my partitions... are sata partitions bootable? |
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| 13:17.21 | stoned | and I have to go to work now :( |
| 13:17.27 | lightning | how can i disable the mail notification? |
| 13:17.29 | sigp239 | Does stable have a driver for the 8800GTX video card? |
| 13:17.42 | enouf | mike1o: sata is a protocol for HDDs |
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| 13:18.04 | rastilin | sigp239: Do you mean does the nv driver support it? No. Module assistant won't support it either, but the binary driver should. |
| 13:18.09 | stoned | sigp239: I'm sure you can install it in stable and it should run. for latest drivers, you might consider getting the driver source from sid and building yourself |
| 13:18.16 | semprix | guys i need help in opening .docx file on debian? |
| 13:18.17 | enouf | sigp239: man nv |
| 13:18.24 | semprix | any special app to open this? |
| 13:18.26 | stoned | nvidia that is, not nv |
| 13:18.39 | mike1o | enouf, it's a /dev/sda partition |
| 13:18.44 | stoned | its microsoft word xml doc something |
| 13:18.48 | stoned | use openoffice I think |
| 13:18.51 | enouf | mike1o: ok, that;s fine |
| 13:19.04 | enouf | mike1o: er .. sda1 2 ? |
| 13:19.16 | mike1o | enouf, sda1 |
| 13:19.21 | boro | mike1o: try to put sata controlled to compatible mode |
| 13:19.23 | enouf | ok .. and? |
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| 13:19.42 | mike1o | boro, in the bios? |
| 13:19.48 | enouf | mike1o: what did you do to make your PC not boot? |
| 13:20.02 | boro | mike1o: yes, in the bioos |
| 13:20.14 | stoned | this heartburn is killin me |
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| 13:20.21 | mike1o | enouf, I unplugged a couple of hd's in order to have less heat dispersion |
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| 13:20.33 | enouf | mike1o: nice one |
| 13:20.36 | mike1o | but they were ide hd's |
| 13:20.48 | stoned | rastilin: nah |
| 13:20.49 | enouf | mike1o: reinstall grrub then onto sda |
| 13:20.54 | mike1o | enouf, it's gettin pretty hot |
| 13:20.57 | stoned | I drank half a bottle of pepto |
| 13:21.01 | HardDisk_WP | i have some microsoft intellimouse explorer 2.0 mouse |
| 13:21.01 | stoned | i should be good in half hour |
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| 13:21.09 | HardDisk_WP | she has two extra keys |
| 13:21.15 | stoned | she? |
| 13:21.17 | stoned | hehe |
| 13:21.19 | mike1o | enouf, but from the live cd I can see the boot directory |
| 13:21.23 | HardDisk_WP | and an additional scrollwheel |
| 13:21.27 | mike1o | in the sda |
| 13:21.33 | stoned | HardDisk_WP: assignn those keys with xmodmap maybe? |
| 13:21.43 | HardDisk_WP | how can i use the buttons and the orizontal scroll wheel in debian/kde |
| 13:21.50 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 13:21.59 | lightning | the only extra buttons i love on this keyboard are the back and forward left of tab |
| 13:22.04 | lightning | everything else is clunk |
| 13:22.08 | semprix | stoned, i think i need odf-converter |
| 13:22.11 | stoned | my keyboard kicks ass |
| 13:22.13 | sigp239 | rastilin: Do you mean the binary driver provided from a repo, or from nvidia.com? |
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| 13:22.22 | stoned | sigp239: from sid |
| 13:22.23 | lightning | stoned: what kb? |
| 13:22.29 | rastilin | sigp239: From nvidia.com |
| 13:22.32 | enouf | mike1o: as you should be able to .. perhaps altering /device.map, menu.lst (#groot=(hdX,X)) , and editing fstab would help, but reinstalling grub is more simple ;-) |
| 13:22.45 | lightning | stoned: what kb? |
| 13:22.50 | stoned | lightning: its old, but its wireless, and have like 24 multimedia/internet keys |
| 13:22.53 | sigp239 | stoned: would would I install nv from sid onto a stable install? |
| 13:22.55 | enouf | er simpler* |
| 13:22.56 | stoned | all of which work exactly how I program them |
| 13:22.58 | sigp239 | stoned: *how would |
| 13:22.59 | stoned | !keytouch |
| 13:22.59 | dpkg | keytouch is probably a program which allows you to easily configure and define the EXTRA keys on your Multimedia/Internet ready keyboard with absolute ease. Get those keys working now! http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/about.html |
| 13:23.13 | stoned | sigp239: not nv, but nvidia |
| 13:23.47 | sigp239 | stoned: well then i might as well just get it from nvidia.com? how is sid's nvidia any better? |
| 13:23.49 | HardDisk_WP | stoned, eh, sure that xmodmap works with mice? |
| 13:23.55 | stoned | sigp239: im gonna toke up a little bit, set my stomach right, and then go to work |
| 13:23.59 | rastilin | I should point out that support for the 8800 series is somewhat recent, the one in sid might not be the most recent. |
| 13:24.07 | stoned | HardDisk_WP: xmodmap -e "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah" |
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| 13:24.20 | stoned | rastilin: it is |
| 13:24.22 | stoned | !nvidia |
| 13:24.22 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 13:24.58 | stoned | *out* |
| 13:25.13 | HardDisk_WP | i actually dont really understand how it works |
| 13:25.55 | palestinian | I have my card detected with the lspci ...but i have not sound |
| 13:25.56 | enouf | hermogenes: xmodmap -pp |
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| 13:26.25 | stoned | argh |
| 13:26.34 | enouf | er HardDisk_WP: xmodmap -pp |
| 13:26.34 | stoned | palestinian: install alsa and sudo alsaconf |
| 13:26.50 | ghatak | Hi, I want to create a CD, which is able to install base system for Sarge and ETCH. Can anyone point me in the right direction.... |
| 13:26.55 | HardDisk_WP | There are 9 pointer buttons defined. |
| 13:26.58 | lightning | what's that brand with an L |
| 13:26.59 | lightning | labtec |
| 13:27.02 | lightning | they make a good one |
| 13:27.06 | stoned | logi |
| 13:27.09 | enouf | palestinian: /msg dpkg which driver |
| 13:27.19 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: same here ;-) |
| 13:27.20 | lightning | labtec $10 keyboard, no win keys |
| 13:27.33 | lightning | it's probably loud though |
| 13:27.34 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: and i have a 2 buton rodent with wheel ;-) |
| 13:27.35 | creatoun | ghatak: debian netinst. |
| 13:27.40 | lightning | i need softkeys |
| 13:27.53 | enouf | logitech? |
| 13:28.06 | lightning | are they owned by microsoft? |
| 13:28.08 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, ok...how do I now get which button is what ID and how do I then assign the buttons a action (back/forward in browser)? |
| 13:28.10 | lightning | i like them though |
| 13:28.19 | enouf | man xmodmap |
| 13:28.32 | lightning | logi tracker |
| 13:28.34 | palestinian | stoned I have alsa, and according with alsa my card was detected |
| 13:28.38 | lightning | smooth |
| 13:29.07 | ghatak | creatoun: Umm.... i know i can get ISO for sarge and iso for ETCH to install them. I want to put both of them on one disk so that I can choose during boot which one i want to install. |
| 13:29.11 | ghatak | all on one cd |
| 13:29.37 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: i think it's going to be defined in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf but not sure about that, and i don't think drrx asks you about mouse keymaps |
| 13:30.16 | abrotman | ghatak: why would you want to install sarge ? |
| 13:30.21 | creatoun | ghatak: grab both cds, modify scripts to choose which to install. |
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| 13:30.48 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, what is drrx? |
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| 13:31.32 | enouf | !drxx |
| 13:31.32 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 13:31.45 | enouf | !keymap |
| 13:31.45 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 13:32.26 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: i think i'm mistaken about drxx anyways .. just overlooked the manual |
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| 13:32.54 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: as well as any entries in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 13:33.04 | ghatak | abrotman: i know you dont like sarge, but some of the servers that i have not be upgraded, so having a sarge bootable CD helps :) |
| 13:33.26 | hermogenes | ghatak: whats the difference in choosing _before_ putting the CD on the driver and choosing after doing so? |
| 13:33.33 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: so learn xmodmap, and such, perhaps kde also has a mapping sysyem somewhere buried within kcontrol |
| 13:33.36 | abrotman | ghatak: it has nothing to do with not liking .. it has to do with how long support for sarge will last |
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| 13:33.59 | ghatak | abrotman: as long as i can get away with it, I will be doing the upgrades sooner or later |
| 13:34.29 | ghatak | hermogenes: dont understand what you are sayin ? |
| 13:34.30 | lightning | where does /etc/X11/Xsession.d come into play? |
| 13:34.40 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
| 13:35.06 | hermogenes | ghatak: whats the point in having etch and sarge in one cd? |
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| 13:36.01 | hermogenes | ghatak: it seems it is because you will be able to choose between sarge and etch after you put the cd instead of before |
| 13:36.17 | ghatak | hermogenes: good point, less to fiz about :) i mostly use remote hands for my servers, they get confused |
| 13:36.20 | zozo75 | I have mail in maildir format that i want to resend to my postfix how can i do that |
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| 13:37.07 | lightning | uh so you can transfer the medium between computers |
| 13:37.34 | lightning | different kernels may need different packages pertaining to that release |
| 13:38.22 | lightning | well that's my guess |
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| 13:39.06 | palestinian | when I want to use a mixer, I get this error: "No volume control GStreamer plugin and/or devices found" but my card was detected by alsaconf |
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| 13:40.14 | lightning | palestinian: what player? |
| 13:40.16 | humbolto | On Sarge, how can I constantly check for new dmesg messages? |
| 13:40.53 | humbolto | Isn't there /proc/dmesg or something. I think I saw that once, but can't find it on my Sarge. |
| 13:40.55 | palestinian | lightning, also with gmixer and the volume control, and the alsa detected but gave me a little error |
| 13:41.02 | lightning | palestinian: edit settings of the program to select a channel or go into alsamixer from terminal and select device with tab |
| 13:41.07 | palestinian | lightning, amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device |
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| 13:41.39 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: you might need an entry in xorg.conf like-> Option "Buttons" "N" <--where N is the number of buttons .. from an older faq http://www.xfree86.org/current/mouse5.html |
| 13:41.43 | palestinian | lightning, when i do alsamixer i get it: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 13:42.08 | lightning | open terminal |
| 13:42.14 | lightning | and type "alsamixer" |
| 13:42.16 | lightning | then hit tab |
| 13:42.21 | lightning | do you have two sound cards? |
| 13:42.30 | lightning | onboard and plugged in? |
| 13:42.43 | ghatak | humbolto: tail -f /var/log/dmesg |
| 13:43.02 | enouf | palestinian: does 'groups' list you the user, as Audio ? |
| 13:43.19 | palestinian | lightning, i dont think,I have a laptop...i dont think... i have onboard |
| 13:43.22 | palestinian | its an intel |
| 13:43.30 | palestinian | sorry, I think I have just onboard |
| 13:43.46 | palestinian | enouf, just root |
| 13:43.46 | enouf | actually, you should have atleast these dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev powerdev netdev , IIRC |
| 13:44.00 | lightning | is gentoo>debian or is debian>gentoo? |
| 13:44.03 | enouf | palestinian: stop being root ;-) |
| 13:44.20 | enouf | palestinian: but it should work as root anyways ;-P |
| 13:44.21 | palestinian | enouf, im root in order to configure my audio,only in the terminal |
| 13:44.26 | mike1o | enouf, grub-install /dev/sda1 doesn't work... bono, I can only choose ide or raid controller |
| 13:44.32 | lightning | enouf: how do you know that? |
| 13:44.41 | enouf | alsamixer runs as user here, no prob |
| 13:44.48 | enouf | lightning: know what? |
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| 13:44.56 | lightning | enouf: do you have notes on this stuff? |
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| 13:45.06 | enouf | on what stuff? |
| 13:45.20 | lightning | errors and situational errors |
| 13:45.20 | palestinian | when i do alsamixer i get it alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 13:45.28 | palestinian | maybe modprobe something? |
| 13:45.33 | enouf | mike1o: define your /boot dir maybe and use /dev/sda not sda1 |
| 13:45.49 | mike1o | enouf, ok |
| 13:45.54 | lightning | enouf: what wm do you run? |
| 13:46.00 | mike1o | enouf, should the partition be mounted? |
| 13:46.03 | enouf | lightning: oh, just reading errors and making educated guesses ;-) sometimes not so educated :-P |
| 13:46.15 | enouf | mike1o: no |
| 13:46.19 | lightning | enouf: you're good, what wm do you use? |
| 13:46.28 | enouf | mike1o: you want to install grub to the HDD MBR |
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| 13:46.39 | enouf | lightning: erm .. kwin i thing :O.o |
| 13:46.47 | mike1o | enouf, so how can I define the /boot if it's in the partition |
| 13:46.48 | enouf | think* |
| 13:46.48 | lightning | oh yeah, i already asked |
| 13:46.56 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, ok...how do I detect which physical button is which button ID in xorg? |
| 13:47.05 | enouf | mike1o: is /boot it's own partition? |
| 13:47.07 | lightning | any good apps you're playin' with? |
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| 13:47.28 | mike1o | enouf, nope |
| 13:47.41 | enouf | mike1o: grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda <-- had it been, then |
| 13:47.47 | enouf | but it's not, so dont |
| 13:48.00 | enouf | mike1o: grub-install /dev/sda <-- do that |
| 13:48.35 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: now i'm lost .. sorry |
| 13:48.57 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 13:48.59 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: try the other manpages mentioned at the bottom of xmodmaps man page |
| 13:49.05 | lightning | what do linux nuts do for income? |
| 13:49.22 | enouf | we sell MS to wintendo weenies :-P |
| 13:49.54 | lightning | wintendo weenies |
| 13:49.55 | lightning | hah |
| 13:50.09 | lightning | idekwti |
| 13:50.43 | enouf | mike1o: did you used to have a RAID array of SATA and PATA drives (that are no removed?) ..lol |
| 13:50.44 | lightning | lot of stocks and bonds, credit cards, fraud, forgery |
| 13:50.47 | lightning | that type of thing |
| 13:50.54 | enouf | s/no/now* |
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| 13:51.29 | mike1o | enouf, I got in the utility... no array... |
| 13:51.41 | mike1o | now |
| 13:51.44 | lightning | is it legal to market linux on hardware? |
| 13:51.46 | mike1o | before I dont know |
| 13:51.46 | enouf | that's not what i asked you ;-) |
| 13:51.54 | enouf | hehe |
| 13:51.56 | jelly-home | lightning: market? |
| 13:52.00 | lightning | sell |
| 13:52.06 | jelly-home | why shouldn't it be? |
| 13:52.14 | lightning | like doesn't blackberry use linux |
| 13:52.23 | enouf | abrotman: the blankees keep winning .. how's the bosox doing? |
| 13:52.27 | mike1o | enouf, sorry... the ones I removed were all ide's |
| 13:52.40 | abrotman | enouf: uhm .. winning |
| 13:52.43 | lightning | seems a good way to make money |
| 13:52.46 | amphi | lightning: you mean to sell hw running linux? of course |
| 13:52.51 | enouf | mike1o: yes, but did all the drives previously make an array? |
| 13:52.51 | lightning | some guy programed his house in linux |
| 13:53.02 | enouf | abrotman: hrm.. |
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| 13:53.24 | jelly-home | lightning: you can do whatever you want while you're complying with the licenses, not making (c) violations, and being all nice and legal overall |
| 13:53.27 | mike1o | enouf, mmm... |
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| 13:53.52 | mike1o | enouf, could that be a problem? |
| 13:53.58 | abrotman | enouf: sports.yahoo.com/mlb :) |
| 13:54.00 | enouf | mike1o: you said you have IDE, and RAID controller (from where you see that, i don't know) |
| 13:54.05 | enouf | abrotman: sweet |
| 13:54.30 | enouf | mike1o: how could you not know if you had a raid array? ..o.O |
| 13:54.46 | lightning | i have one |
| 13:54.55 | lightning | 4 sata2's |
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| 13:55.17 | lightning | not gunna use it though, bcs hd's are expensive |
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| 13:55.32 | mike1o | enouf, I just installed debian to a partition in my sata hd |
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| 13:55.41 | enouf | mike1o: either way as long as LVM isn't involved you should be able to install grub without harm, as i stated, however, it depends if your system is spanned across the other HDDs .. pastebin output of fdisk -l |
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| 13:56.04 | lightning | hardware is best when it's old |
| 13:56.18 | mike1o | enouf, btw grub-install /dev/sda says "could not find a device for /boot..." |
| 13:56.18 | lightning | if you really think about it |
| 13:56.23 | lightning | because then you don't feel ripped off |
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| 13:57.20 | creatoun | enouf, what are you doing here. you're supposed to be in ##linux. |
| 13:57.35 | lightning | what do they discuss there |
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| 13:57.40 | lightning | kernels |
| 13:57.45 | enouf | creatoun: apologies .. i'll run along now |
| 13:57.57 | creatoun | unless you're... good. |
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| 13:58.52 | enouf | mike1o: i see, where's your pastebin? |
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| 13:59.24 | enouf | creatoun: sometimes i suck ass .. you got a problem with that? |
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| 14:01.00 | enouf | !tell mike1o -about fixmbr |
| 14:01.37 | mike1o | enouf, http://nopaste.org/p/aG1Q6KAOl |
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| 14:02.11 | duke8 | obrigado |
| 14:02.34 | enouf | mike1o: ok, pastebin looks in order |
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| 14:02.54 | enouf | mike1o: no raid, no lvm |
| 14:03.18 | enouf | duke8: muito obrigado |
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| 14:05.54 | mike1o | enouf, chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash`: Exec format error |
| 14:06.21 | L0cKn | bye all ** |
| 14:06.37 | abrotman | !cookie asg |
| 14:06.48 | enouf | mike1o: does output of 'mount' show your sda1 as rw ? can you paste the lines that contain sda1 here please |
| 14:07.23 | asg | abrotman: tasty |
| 14:08.08 | enouf | sweet love songs from singsing ? |
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| 14:10.03 | themill | Can someone pls explain to me why s.d.o for etch would have an older version of a package than the version in the main repo for etch? (package is blender) |
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| 14:10.12 | creatoun | sucking ass is not good enouf. |
| 14:10.30 | mikelo | enouf: "/dev/sda1 on /target type ext3 (rw)" |
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| 14:11.01 | enouf | mikelo: is that all? |
| 14:11.02 | asg | themill: pastebin the output of your sources list and also 'apt-cache policy blender' |
| 14:11.22 | mikelo | enouf: that was mount | grep sda1 |
| 14:11.28 | enouf | mikelo: good |
| 14:11.35 | themill | asg: http://pastebin.ca/635931 |
| 14:11.41 | enouf | mikelo: now, pastebin your commands you did and the results |
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| 14:12.27 | themill | asg: and sources.list (very boring) http://pastebin.ca/635932 |
| 14:12.33 | themill | asg: it's not my stuff up :) |
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| 14:13.01 | mikelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.11 | asg | themill: the changelog for the updated package should explain why. It is possible that they couldn't fix the bux in the 2.42 version and had to back-rev but that's very odd. |
| 14:13.18 | enouf | mikelo: you forgot a few commands ;-) |
| 14:13.41 | asg | *bug |
| 14:14.08 | mikelo | enouf: sorry can u resend me the grub suggestion? please |
| 14:14.10 | enouf | mikelo: do mount --bind /dev /target/dev and mount --bind /proc /target/proc; chroot /target |
| 14:14.35 | enouf | mikelo: you can do a "/msg dpkg fixmbr" in your irc client |
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| 14:15.02 | H2OyJaBoN | hi ! |
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| 14:16.15 | themill | asg: the version in etch is much newer than the version on s.d.o (from the changelogs). |
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| 14:16.35 | themill | asg: I'm guessing this is from when etch security support started before etch released. |
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| 14:18.16 | enouf | themill: does p.d.o say anything different? |
| 14:19.27 | themill | enouf: p.d.o lists both packages as being in etch with the older package that's in s.d.o not being for arm and hppa. |
| 14:19.35 | themill | sounding like a fubar to me |
| 14:19.46 | themill | s.d.o shouldn't be holding on to out-of-date packages when newer packages have been accepted into the main repo.... |
| 14:20.06 | enouf | hrm.. you got me (throws arms up) |
| 14:20.28 | themill | is there a metapackage against which such bugs should be filed? |
| 14:20.43 | mikelo | enouf: chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error ... i am now in the feisty live though not in a debian install... |
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| 14:21.05 | enouf | mikelo: well when did you switch? |
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| 14:21.22 | swordlaw | hi y'all |
| 14:21.24 | mikelo | enouf: i never did ehehe |
| 14:21.34 | enouf | mikelo: Debian installer has a recovery mode .. have you tried that? |
| 14:21.37 | mikelo | enouf: hold on ill boot a debian net install |
| 14:21.50 | RaZor-P | hello!!! |
| 14:22.21 | limbeaux | i have 2 nics one with a local addr and 1 with external addr. the external seems to drop out periodically or if a heavy traffic load starts. is there a log file that i can look at or a diagnostic I can run to test the nic? |
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| 14:22.24 | enouf | mikelo: type rescue or rescuegui (GUI) at boot prompt |
| 14:22.28 | RaZor-P | does anybody hear me& |
| 14:22.51 | themill | !just ask |
| 14:22.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:23.12 | themill | RaZor-P: we all hear you.... how can we help? ^^^ |
| 14:23.23 | asg | themill: it might be worth asking on the debian-devel list |
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| 14:23.38 | limbeaux | if i do networking restart the nic works fine for a while |
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| 14:25.18 | swordlaw | i don't know how to make the mounted partition of Win$$u$ writable by a normal user |
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| 14:25.45 | swordlaw | i tried to edt /etc/fstab but didn't work |
| 14:26.16 | swordlaw | and even put the user (me) on the root group |
| 14:26.25 | swordlaw | still dun have a clue |
| 14:26.27 | enouf | swordlaw: /msg dpkg ntfsrw |
| 14:26.42 | enouf | swordlaw: also /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
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| 14:27.58 | gangsterlicious | if i do linux raid w/ 3 diff. size HDs into RAID0, would i see any performance issues or it's pretty balanced? |
| 14:28.14 | RaZor-P | •••>themill<••• i'm from Russia:) |
| 14:28.30 | swordlaw | w is /msg dpkg ntfsrw ? |
| 14:28.40 | themill | RaZor-P: I'm not sure that I can help with that.... :) |
| 14:28.42 | enouf | gangsterlicious: each drives partition will be the same as the largest on the smallest disk |
| 14:28.45 | RaZor-P | •••>themill<••• but my english is very bad |
| 14:28.54 | RaZor-P | •••>themill<••• :))) |
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| 14:29.01 | enouf | !tell swordlaw -about selftell |
| 14:29.16 | antgel | have a machine here with a realtek 8139. 8139too loads and looks good but ifup fails with SIOSIFADDR: No such device. no different without acpi and / or apic. google unhelpful. advice appreciated |
| 14:29.21 | themill | RaZor-P: you're doing fine. All I can do in Russian is bless you (comes from singing Russian masses in choir) |
| 14:29.23 | antgel | 2.6.21 |
| 14:29.27 | antgel | same in 2.6.18 |
| 14:29.43 | gangsterlicious | enouf: i was able to combine a 80gb+140gb into 210GB partition for linux to use |
| 14:29.43 | zamuro | !ru |
| 14:29.43 | dpkg | i heard ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 14:29.51 | RaZor-P | •••>themill<••• it's already nice:)))) |
| 14:30.01 | enouf | gangsterlicious: ahh .. my bad |
| 14:30.10 | enouf | gangsterlicious: you said raid 0 |
| 14:30.10 | antgel | same behaviour with on-board or pci realtek interfaces on this machine |
| 14:30.12 | mike1o | enouf, the rescue gui doesn't work either |
| 14:30.23 | enouf | mike1o: that's helpful information :-P |
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| 14:30.34 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 14:30.34 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 14:30.38 | RaZor-P | •••>themill<••• it's my first talking with americans:))) |
| 14:30.51 | mike1o | enouf, says grub-install failed... |
| 14:30.57 | enouf | RaZor-P: pleas stop with the rectangles |
| 14:31.00 | themill | RaZor-P: easy... I'm not american... don't insult me! |
| 14:31.30 | enouf | mike1o: did you try installing to sda? not sda1? did it say dyntax errors?> |
| 14:31.34 | enouf | syntax |
| 14:31.38 | gangsterlicious | enouf: yea.... i knew with pci controller cards it usually does what you stated earlier.. (only can do largest of smallest HD RAID) but mdadm is able to bypass that. i'm wondering if there really is downfalls for that type of setup. |
| 14:31.50 | RaZor-P | •••>themill<••• i'm first Russian in this plase, right& |
| 14:31.57 | mike1o | enouf, both... but chroot works !! |
| 14:31.59 | RaZor-P | plaCe |
| 14:32.04 | enouf | gangsterlicious: it's Raid1 (mirrored) i was thinking of |
| 14:32.05 | petemc | RaZor-P: your irc client is broken |
| 14:32.17 | enouf | mike1o: both what? |
| 14:32.22 | enouf | oh |
| 14:32.47 | RaZor-P | •••>petemc<••• why do you think that& |
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| 14:32.49 | enouf | mike1o: ok, you shouldn't need to chroot using rescuegui, IIRC |
| 14:33.17 | petemc | RaZor-P: its printing big characters around any nicks you type, it looks awful and is annoying |
| 14:33.32 | mike1o | enouf, exactly |
| 14:33.34 | enouf | as a matter of fact where'd you chroot to? lol |
| 14:34.14 | themill | RaZor-P: I think your irc client is trying to change font size or colour or something. This is a plain text channel so please don't. |
| 14:34.36 | enouf | mike1o: ihave a feeling that grub is detecting your already exisitng menu.lst and device.map which now is erroneous |
| 14:34.54 | mike1o | could be |
| 14:35.02 | RaZor-P | •••>petemc<••• i undestand:) |
| 14:35.19 | petemc | RaZor-P: thats half the battle - can you fix it? |
| 14:36.05 | enouf | mike1o: since you can chroot, grab the output of menu.lst, device.map and fstab and pastebin those |
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| 14:36.13 | RaZor-P | themill and now& |
| 14:36.36 | themill | RaZor-P: hey that's much better... no funny boxes around your text :) |
| 14:36.40 | enouf | mike1o: and tell me how many more HDDs are hooked up, if any, and in what position they're in (if IDE) |
| 14:36.44 | RaZor-P | :))) |
| 14:36.49 | mike1o | enouf, none |
| 14:36.54 | enouf | ok |
| 14:37.38 | enouf | mike1o: i wonder if trying just update-grub from within the chroot would fix it |
| 14:37.39 | RaZor-P | themill why your channel does not support this function& |
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| 14:38.24 | enouf | mike1o: though i still think you might need to install to that disks MBR too |
| 14:38.47 | themill | RaZor-P: it's mostly only used by irc spammers. Plain text works just fine. |
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| 14:39.42 | sigp239 | How would I be able to tell if the netinstall CD that I have already burned is the final version or an earlier one? |
| 14:39.54 | RaZor-P | themill hmm... mostly right |
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| 14:42.33 | RaZor-P | themill ok, thank you for uoyr endurance in talking with me...do svidaniya, goodbye in English:) |
| 14:42.35 | enouf | sigp239: look in .disk/info |
| 14:42.40 | RaZor-P | your |
| 14:42.47 | themill | RaZor-P: ciao! |
| 14:43.03 | enouf | sigp239: you'll see something like-> Debian GNU/Linux testing "Etch" - Official Snapshot netinst i386 Binary-1 20061203-09:05 |
| 14:43.06 | RaZor-P | Italian???? |
| 14:43.11 | sigp239 | enouf: it says this "Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 "Etch" - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20070407-11:29" |
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| 14:43.32 | themill | RaZor-P: that is, I'm not |
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| 14:43.47 | enouf | hrm .. hold a sec |
| 14:43.54 | RaZor-P | ok:) |
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| 14:46.26 | enouf | the README.html page says that Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 "Etch" - Official i386 BC Binary-1 20070407-11:28 |
| 14:46.47 | tarzeau | did anyone manage to use an own ttf font with graphviz? |
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| 14:48.04 | sigp239 | enouf: hmm |
| 14:48.10 | mrec | hi, does anyone know if it's possible to run a script with udev before a driver gets loaded? |
| 14:48.20 | sigp239 | enouf: what is the BC part? |
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| 14:49.31 | enouf | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 "Etch" - Official i386 BC Binary-1 20070407-11:28 <-- I d/l on 2007-07-12 19:34 .. yeah, etch is frozen (I presume that why) |
| 14:49.57 | enouf | sigp239: Businesscard.iso |
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| 14:50.25 | sigp239 | enouf: so mine says NETINST instead. The only other difference is that mine says 11:29 instead of 11:28 |
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| 14:50.37 | enouf | sigp239: ok |
| 14:51.34 | themill | enouf, sigp239: are you looking for apt lines for cd images? |
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| 14:52.02 | enouf | <sigp239> How would I be able to tell if the netinstall CD that I have already burned is the final version or an earlier one? |
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| 14:52.27 | themill | enouf, sigp239: OK. (haven't been following closely) |
| 14:52.33 | sigp239 | themill: I'm looking for how I would be able to tell if the netinstall CD that I have already burned is the final version or an earlier one? |
| 14:52.34 | themill | enouf, sigp239: Yes, that one you've got is the final one. |
| 14:52.48 | themill | enouf, sigp239: You could look at the md5 sum and compare it to the mirror |
| 14:52.50 | ampex | Since etch doesn't include webmin, is there a suitable replacement? |
| 14:53.04 | enouf | sigp239: the r0 is always there, it might change as security updates need .. then it becomes rc1,2,3, etc |
| 14:53.10 | sigp239 | themill: can you md5sum an actual CD? |
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| 14:53.33 | enouf | sigp239: no, but it has a built in vewrfier IIRC |
| 14:54.06 | enouf | sigp239: only reason the md5sum won't be the same, ids the way ISOs and CDs use 2048 blocks, so the padding messes it up |
| 14:54.28 | enouf | 2048Bytes |
| 14:54.42 | sigp239 | themill: how do you know that the one I have is the final? |
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| 14:55.00 | themill | sigp239: cos that line is the right time and date. |
| 14:55.12 | themill | sigp239: you can also use md5sum /dev/cdrom |
| 14:55.26 | themill | sigp239: and match it against http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 14:55.33 | enouf | sigp239: actually just "4.0 r0" is enough as long as rc1 hasn't been released ;-) |
| 14:55.56 | sigp239 | alright thanks |
| 14:56.12 | themill | sigp239: (I have the CD image in front of me as I used it yesterday.. that's how I know it's the right one :) |
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| 14:56.28 | enouf | themill: no .. that won't match a burned cdrom |
| 14:56.33 | suwro | hello |
| 14:56.38 | themill | enouf: have you tried that? |
| 14:56.41 | enouf | themill: i said why it won't above |
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| 14:56.46 | enouf | have you? |
| 14:56.59 | themill | enouf: I suggest you try it..... I just did and got the right md5sum |
| 14:57.13 | enouf | themill: BS |
| 14:57.36 | themill | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/635987 |
| 14:57.50 | suwro | what is mac80211 ?? i have a dell inspiron 1501 with broadcom wifi - and problems connecting with wpa /tkip - if i compile broadcom with mac80211 will the wpa part work correctly? |
| 14:57.58 | themill | enouf: I didn't expect it to work either... but it does |
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| 14:58.46 | themill | suwro: what kernel are you using (uname -r) |
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| 14:59.04 | suwro | 2.6.22.1 |
| 14:59.13 | suwro | and i got the git kernel down |
| 14:59.14 | freight_ | Heh, here's one for you all. I had to finally give up and upgrade Win2k to XP. Now XP won't recognize the NTFS partitions on my data drive, shows it as unallocated space. I thought that was a bit odd, so slapped the drive in my Deb box. Lo and behold.. there was all of my data, happy as could be. So, I set up SAMBA, shared the drive and connected from the M$ system. All is happy and... |
| 14:59.16 | freight_ | ...well. I love when GNU/Linux does M$ better than M$. :) |
| 14:59.25 | suwro | latest with wireless git too |
| 14:59.38 | themill | suwro: then the mac80211 stack should be in the tree already. |
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| 14:59.43 | suwro | it is |
| 14:59.49 | suwro | i wonder to compile it or not |
| 15:00.00 | suwro | is it better than standard broadcom ?? |
| 15:00.02 | kenji | guys If I wanna output just one column of ps -A how can I do it? |
| 15:00.15 | suwro | device - or should i stick on ndiswrapper ?? |
| 15:00.16 | kenji | for example the first column ... |
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| 15:00.34 | themill | suwro: sorry, can't help you on that one as I don't have that hardware. |
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| 15:00.46 | freight_ | man sed |
| 15:00.46 | enouf | themill: hang on a DVD takes longer |
| 15:01.02 | themill | enouf: :) |
| 15:01.02 | freight_ | !sed |
| 15:01.02 | dpkg | sed is probably a stream editor. A stream editor is used to perform basic text transformations on an input stream (a file or input from a pipeline). Sed is located at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/sed/ or a pain in the ass, or see http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/unix/sed.html for common usages. See http://sed.sourceforge.net/ for download, docs, books, scripts, etc. Also google "paolo bonzini sed" or /j #sed, or http://sed.sourceforge.net/sed1line.txt |
| 15:01.13 | ezguy | hi, i did a apt-get remove --purge exim4, but it doesn |
| 15:01.15 | enouf | themill: i'm doing knoppix right now - since that's what's in my DVD drive |
| 15:01.22 | kenji | guys how can I get just one column in ps -A output? |
| 15:01.26 | suwro | i am connected to net right now using windows driver with ndiswrapper - but is show incorrect the wireless network quality |
| 15:01.40 | asg | ezguy: try purging exim4-config |
| 15:01.42 | linux_ | hi @ all.. now i've installed debian but i've lost username and password for login.. but i know the root password.. what i can do? |
| 15:01.44 | freight_ | kenji: man sed it's easy. |
| 15:01.51 | ezguy | thanks |
| 15:01.51 | kenji | freight tnks |
| 15:02.01 | themill | suwro: as a general rule though, it seems that if you can make use of the in-tree drivers you'll do better. Particularly now that the mac80211 stuff has been merged it's a lot less painful. |
| 15:02.05 | enouf | themill: but i've done it many times, and it never is the same (to anser your earlier question) |
| 15:02.16 | suwro | if i use bcm43xx (without mac...) quality is correct -- but can't connect to wireless net |
| 15:02.19 | linux_ | hi @ all.. now i've installed debian but i've lost username and password for login.. but i know the root password.. what i can do? |
| 15:02.20 | asg | ezguy: make sure to install another MTA or packages that provides mail-transport-agent. |
| 15:02.21 | suwro | themill: ok ty |
| 15:02.30 | linux_ | somebody can help me please |
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| 15:02.40 | suwro | i'll compile bcm43 with mac80211 |
| 15:02.45 | suwro | ty |
| 15:02.45 | behanw | anyone having troubles starting up firefox or opera today? After upgrading this morning, both segfault. |
| 15:02.45 | asg | linux_: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 15:02.47 | freight_ | !ask |
| 15:02.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:02.55 | enouf | themill: this is 4.2GB compressed too, compared to the netinstall (~160-190MB???) |
| 15:02.57 | ezguy | i don't think so, will have to check. |
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| 15:03.08 | cast | linux_: login as root, run passwd user, reset the users passwd |
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| 15:03.15 | enouf | heh .. still waiting .. light on full bore |
| 15:03.16 | tarzeau | this is so frustrating, why does graphviz always say fdp: fontname "Times-Roman" resolved to "[internal times]" |
| 15:03.34 | themill | linux_: you can log in as root on the console (press Ctrl+Alt+F1 at the graphical logim prompt) and then issue the command passwd username |
| 15:03.39 | kenji | freight I don't wanna replace text, I just wanna grep or something like that the first column |
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| 15:03.57 | themill | linux_: you don't need all the other stuff that was in the "forgot root passwd" factoid as you know your root passwd. |
| 15:04.18 | themill | kenji: cut |
| 15:04.19 | behanw | I should say upgrading to the lastest sid this morning, firefox segfaults. |
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| 15:04.27 | kenji | tnks themill |
| 15:04.30 | asg | behanw: check the bts |
| 15:04.37 | linux_ | themill no.. i know the root password but i've lost the password for login |
| 15:04.45 | linux_ | you understand? |
| 15:05.02 | enouf | themill: there's my proof http://pastebin.ca/635998 |
| 15:05.08 | themill | linux_: yes, I understand. Read what I wrote carefully. |
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| 15:05.36 | themill | enouf: hardware dependent? or does it only work for cds (that I used) and not dvds? |
| 15:05.40 | enouf | the it IS possible you have one of those odder CD/DVD drives that acually uses 512Bytes (i think DVD-RAM drives may do that) |
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| 15:06.00 | enouf | themill: no, it's the same result here for CDs DVDs, CDRW whatever |
| 15:06.07 | themill | enouf: it's a bog standard 1-year-old dell desktop |
| 15:06.13 | enouf | themill: what's your drive make/model |
| 15:06.15 | enouf | ? |
| 15:06.49 | enouf | themill: erm hardware dependent == yes , is my best guess |
| 15:07.39 | behanw | asg: I have. Nothing stands out as relevant. |
| 15:08.01 | behanw | Just looking for any anecdotal experience from others. |
| 15:08.22 | behanw | I'm just glad konqueror still works, or checking BTS would be impossible. |
| 15:08.25 | asg | behanw: then you might look at 'strace firefox' and see where/why it segfaults. You could always file a bug. |
| 15:08.32 | asg | behanw: the bts works just fine wity lynx |
| 15:08.41 | behanw | asg: true. |
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| 15:08.43 | themill | enouf: just tried my laptop... also worked for the netinst |
| 15:08.52 | behanw | I've run strace on firefox. |
| 15:08.55 | behanw | It's a mess. |
| 15:09.00 | grib | I notice that my unstable machine hasn't gotten any new updates in a week or so... is there something wrong with the server or queueing process? |
| 15:09.01 | behanw | It fails in gtk |
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| 15:09.05 | enouf | themill: laptop?, you said desktop earlier .. no? |
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| 15:09.10 | lontra | my ipod with rockbox on it is no longer being prompted for mounting in kde ... i need to mount it via CLI ... any ideas what i can do to fix this? |
| 15:09.16 | behanw | grib: I've been updating daily all week |
| 15:09.21 | themill | enouf: yes, tried desktop first, then just tried laptop |
| 15:09.28 | behanw | Hence my problem this morning. |
| 15:09.28 | enouf | themill: oh, i see .. |
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| 15:09.38 | enouf | themill: and you checking a burned CD? |
| 15:09.55 | enouf | themill: there ARE burn options to eliminate that extra pad |
| 15:09.56 | grib | behanw: what version of firefox is the one that crashes? |
| 15:10.12 | themill | enouf: yes... the netinst that I used to install etch on both of these machines. Both just burned with k3b's burn iso image. |
| 15:10.17 | enouf | themill: perhaps k3b sets it that way as default |
| 15:10.32 | enouf | yeah .. k3b option, IINM |
| 15:10.36 | behanw | grib: whatever latest is... sec. |
| 15:11.28 | enouf | themill: ok, so it's also software dependent too -- i think i used k3b once or twice, but i used growisofs for this DVD, and yet other ones mismatched as well, can't recall offhand now which |
| 15:11.34 | asg | behanw: did you check the bts for firefox or iceweasel? |
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| 15:11.52 | enouf | themill: growisofs is even worse, using 32K blocks IINM |
| 15:11.58 | themill | enouf: interesting.... |
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| 15:12.16 | enouf | themill: once you use it, it'll show you .. dd built_In |
| 15:12.17 | behanw | asg: damn. firefox. checking again. my bad. |
| 15:12.46 | behanw | ii iceweasel 2.0.0.5-2 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla |
| 15:12.55 | freight_ | sorry kenji: I'm an idiot, not sed, awl. ps -a | awk '{print $1}' | less ought to give you what you need. My apologies for being obtuse. |
| 15:13.07 | behanw | asg: No wonder I couldn't figure out which version of firefox I was running. ;) |
| 15:13.12 | enouf | themill: so, let's just say, it's unreliable, since without 20 questions , who knows ? :-P |
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| 15:13.34 | enouf | themill: 20 questions with 20 correct answers :-) |
| 15:14.05 | themill | enouf: agreed... not a trick that can be relied upon. (that cd would have been burnt with burnfee on too.... makes it even more remarkable that it worked) |
| 15:14.19 | freight_ | err apparently I can't type either.. awk, not awl |
| 15:14.41 | enouf | themill: yeah 32K is much better for DVD than 2K, because of size .. speed would crawl if written in 2K blocks, iirc .. |
| 15:14.46 | grib | behanw: wtf, I have 2.0.0.4-1, sid, and update says no new version available |
| 15:14.57 | enouf | themill: sure |
| 15:15.25 | behanw | grib: are you sure that "apt-get update" is completing properly? |
| 15:15.44 | behanw | Which debian server in your sources.list? |
| 15:15.56 | enouf | themill: ahh .. i saved a log ;-) |
| 15:15.57 | enouf | $ sudo growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/hdd=/mnt/p3/home/distro/knoppix/5.x/KNOPPIX_V5.1.1DVD-2007-01-04-EN.iso Executing 'builtin_dd if=/mnt/p3/home/distro/knoppix/5.x/KNOPPIX_V5.1.1DVD-2007-01-04-EN.iso of=/dev/hdd obs=32k seek=0' /dev/hdd: "Current Write Speed" is 16.4x1352KBps. |
| 15:16.03 | grib | behanw: ftp.debian.org |
| 15:16.10 | kenji | tnks freight |
| 15:16.13 | enouf | see the obs=32k ? |
| 15:16.38 | behanw | grib: what happens when you run apt-get update from a console? Does it complete? |
| 15:16.41 | themill | enouf: nod |
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| 15:16.56 | themill | enouf: do you seriously type that in? |
| 15:17.11 | behanw | (gecko:15195): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_parent_window: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed |
| 15:17.15 | behanw | (gecko:15195): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_is_viewable: assertion `window != NULL' failed |
| 15:17.20 | behanw | (gecko:15195): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_parent: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed |
| 15:17.24 | behanw | Segmentation fault |
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| 15:17.36 | behanw | That's what I get when I run iceweasel. |
| 15:17.48 | enouf | themill: no, i pasted that :-P |
| 15:17.56 | enouf | themill: oh |
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| 15:17.59 | baktaah | Excuse me, Could someone help me, how do I install nvidia GPU, I configiured XORG to use VESA but thats not correct |
| 15:18.03 | behanw | I suppose this might have to do with the gtk churn recently... |
| 15:18.03 | enouf | themill: you mean when i burn? |
| 15:18.08 | themill | enouf: yep |
| 15:18.12 | enouf | themill: tab completion FTW ;-) |
| 15:18.13 | grib | behanw: yep, completes fine |
| 15:18.18 | baktaah | How come I cant download stuff by sudo apt-get? |
| 15:18.21 | ghatak | I give up on creating multiple distro's on one CD |
| 15:18.44 | grib | behanw: tho with your iceweasel problems, not sure I WANT to get the latest :) |
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| 15:18.53 | creatoun | baktaah: you need to configure sudo |
| 15:18.59 | ghatak | does anyone know of a good system rescue CD with support for Wide stuff ? |
| 15:19.29 | baktaah | creatoun: how :)? |
| 15:19.42 | cast | grml is an excellent livecd, dunno what you mean by Wide though |
| 15:19.49 | creatoun | baktaah: you need root access. then run 'visudo'. |
| 15:19.55 | baktaah | creatoun: roger |
| 15:19.55 | themill | enouf: ahhh only the first part is the command... I see... I was looking at the builtin stuff too :) |
| 15:19.57 | enouf | themill: more interesting ;-) |
| 15:19.59 | behanw | grib: I'm not sure it's an iceweasel problem is the thing. |
| 15:20.05 | enouf | themill: ahhh |
| 15:20.05 | themill | enouf: not that bad after all |
| 15:20.09 | baktaah | creatoun: anyway to get root acces without relogging? |
| 15:20.09 | behanw | Because opera also fails. |
| 15:20.14 | enouf | themill: check this out |
| 15:20.15 | enouf | isoinfo -d dev=ATA:1,1,0 |
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| 15:20.31 | enouf | themill: Logical block size is: 2048 |
| 15:20.40 | behanw | ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 15:20.40 | behanw | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 22011637 2007-07-18 04:09 /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 15:20.46 | creatoun | baktaah: relogging? |
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| 15:20.50 | behanw | grib: what do you get? |
| 15:21.09 | enouf | themill: so, growisofs might buffer out in 32KB blocks but the media has 2KB blocks it seems |
| 15:21.10 | baktaah | creatoun: how do I get root access, without logging out then loggin in as root... is there a way to get it form the bash? |
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| 15:21.24 | creatoun | baktaah: run 'su'. |
| 15:21.25 | xand | su - |
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| 15:21.45 | asg | behanw: you might grab the previous package from snapshot.debian.net and install it with dpkg -i. If that fixes it, the the iceweasel package is the problem and you should file a bug. |
| 15:21.54 | baktaah | !visudo |
| 15:21.54 | dpkg | methinks visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers> |
| 15:22.04 | baktaah | !SUDOERS |
| 15:22.05 | dpkg | i heard sudoers is To give your user the ability to run arbitrary commands as root with sudo, add a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). |
| 15:22.11 | pascal80 | I just installed icewm, how can I change the default font used in menus? |
| 15:22.15 | creatoun | baktah: http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/man/sudoers.html |
| 15:22.22 | behanw | asg: true. But iceweasel didn't update this morning. So I think it's something else. |
| 15:22.23 | asg | baktaah: you can also /msg the bot |
| 15:22.31 | creatoun | baktaah: http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/man/sudoers.html |
| 15:22.32 | grib | behanw: same size file !!?! |
| 15:22.45 | baktaah | creatoun: I cant surf |
| 15:22.46 | behanw | grib: weird. |
| 15:22.53 | baktaah | creatoun: my xorg is fubar |
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| 15:22.59 | asg | behanw: then the dpkg.log or aptitude log should tell you what was updated recently and you can use the same method (or check the bts) for any new packages that might affect it. |
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| 15:23.02 | behanw | grib: you aren't pinned on etch or something silly like that? |
| 15:23.13 | baktaah | !SUDOERS |
| 15:23.13 | dpkg | well, sudoers is To give your user the ability to run arbitrary commands as root with sudo, add a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). |
| 15:23.23 | abrotman | baktaah: try a browser like lynx or links .. you don't need a mouse to surf the web |
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| 15:23.49 | pascal80 | How can I change the default font in fontconfig? |
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| 15:24.37 | grib | behanw: don't think so... but anything's possible :) what's the config file where you set pins? |
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| 15:25.22 | baktaah | creatoun: I cant save it, it says cant save to a read only disk? |
| 15:25.30 | behanw | grib: /etc/apt/apt.conf or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/* |
| 15:25.44 | creatoun | baktaah: run 'visudo'. |
| 15:25.53 | enouf | themill: for shits and giggles you should see some the _really_long_commands_ video and audio encoding/decoding freaks use with mplayer ... ;-) |
| 15:26.15 | abrotman | why can't he just use 'su' ? |
| 15:26.20 | enouf | and other sundry apps as such |
| 15:26.22 | grib | behanw: nope, nothing interesting |
| 15:26.31 | creatoun | exactly. su first, then apt sudo, then visudo. |
| 15:26.34 | mike1o | enouf, reinstalling :-) |
| 15:26.42 | enouf | mike1o: heh .. noooooo |
| 15:26.44 | abrotman | just freaking su .. then change the sources |
| 15:26.45 | grib | behanw: thx for your help, don't waste your time any more :) I'll figure it out. good luck with iceweasel. |
| 15:26.53 | themill | enouf: yep... I've played with some of those sorts of recoding/transcoding commands. I decided a long time ago that while I was happy to do an awful lot of things at the command line, that was just silly and so dvdrip became a nice tool :) |
| 15:26.56 | enouf | mike1o: make a grub floppy or CD |
| 15:27.01 | abrotman | he doesn't need sudo at all |
| 15:27.08 | enouf | mike1o: it's MUCH easier form the grub shell |
| 15:27.09 | baktaah | visudo: sudoers file busy, try again later |
| 15:27.22 | creatoun | fucking shit. |
| 15:27.22 | enouf | mike1o: ?? |
| 15:27.28 | abrotman | baktaah: you're trying to change the sources.list ? |
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| 15:27.38 | enouf | themill: yes indeed ;-) |
| 15:27.38 | baktaah | no |
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| 15:27.48 | baktaah | Im trying to a way to let me user download stuff |
| 15:27.54 | baktaah | cant download without root |
| 15:27.56 | baktaah | and I dont want to be root |
| 15:28.00 | enouf | baktaah: you have an open one |
| 15:28.02 | baktaah | just wanna use sudo'like ubuntu |
| 15:28.12 | abrotman | ah .. i just saw the nvidia question |
| 15:28.22 | baktaah | enouf: well aparently I have but I cant see it, is there a way to shut it down and open it up again |
| 15:28.26 | creatoun | baktaah: su, apt-get install sudo, visudo. |
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| 15:28.39 | enouf | baktaah: sure ps aux , then pkill <app> |
| 15:28.44 | creatoun | close your running apps. |
| 15:28.58 | behanw | asg: libc6 and a whole lot of other libraries were updated today. Iceweasel probably needs recompiling. |
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| 15:29.17 | behanw | Though if that's the case, opera certainly can't be fixed by me... |
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| 15:29.31 | behanw | grib: Good luck |
| 15:29.53 | asg | behanw: sure, that sounds likely. You might check incoming.debian.org to see if a package is waiting to enter sid. Otherwise, you'll have to wait until it does. |
| 15:30.04 | baktaah | still Could not save the file /etc/sudoers. |
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| 15:30.32 | asg | baktaah: is your / filesystem mounted read-only for some reason? |
| 15:30.36 | behanw | asg: Good idea. Thanks. |
| 15:30.41 | enouf | baktaah: there's a lock on the file once you open it for editing, kill nano, kill visudo, kill it all :-P |
| 15:30.51 | baktaah | no I think I opened it through bash once (the sudoer file) and then just shut it... it never really shut |
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| 15:31.12 | enouf | less? more? cat? |
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| 15:31.26 | behanw | asg: The most annoying thing is you keep on suggesting things that I should have already thought of myself. Doh! |
| 15:31.27 | asg | enouf: don't forget most |
| 15:31.35 | enouf | ahh mosty ;-) |
| 15:31.45 | linux_ | please somebody can help me |
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| 15:31.48 | asg | behanw: years of running sid will do that to you :) |
| 15:31.50 | linux_ | please somebody can help me? |
| 15:31.54 | creatoun | Today's Thursday or Friday? GMT. |
| 15:31.54 | jetscreamer | no |
| 15:31.55 | enouf | heh |
| 15:31.57 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 15:31.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:32.04 | asg | linux_: please state your problem |
| 15:32.06 | behanw | asg: Me too. Which is why I should have thought of it. |
| 15:32.14 | enouf | Friday |
| 15:32.19 | linux_ | i've a problem with debian, i've lost my username and password |
| 15:32.34 | enouf | linux_: are you sure? |
| 15:32.39 | linux_ | but i know the root password |
| 15:32.41 | mike1o | enouf, had some other problems too don't worry... |
| 15:32.43 | jetscreamer | do you know root's username? |
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| 15:32.51 | jetscreamer | ls /home for the username |
| 15:32.51 | asg | linux_: as mentioned above, login as root then run 'passwd <username>' to set a new one. |
| 15:32.54 | tyler-wylie | Are there any recent howtos on setting up opennms? |
| 15:32.55 | behanw | asg: I'm going to blame it on not enough coffee. ;) |
| 15:32.56 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 15:33.08 | linux_ | i've lost the username |
| 15:33.09 | linux_ | .... |
| 15:33.09 | asg | behanw: that too. I blame it on jet lag myself. |
| 15:33.13 | jetscreamer | ls /home |
| 15:33.16 | behanw | asg: heh |
| 15:33.18 | jetscreamer | you wil lsee the username |
| 15:33.19 | enouf | mike1o: drats! . i wanted to fix it |
| 15:33.30 | dondelelcaro | !tell linux_ -about i forgot root's password |
| 15:33.32 | baktaah | creatoun: thanks |
| 15:33.33 | linux_ | jetscreamer ok tnx :D |
| 15:33.34 | baktaah | enouf: thanks |
| 15:33.40 | jetscreamer | he said he know's root's pw |
| 15:33.41 | baktaah | creatoun: worked well |
| 15:33.47 | enouf | baktaah: for? sure, no prob |
| 15:33.51 | jetscreamer | knows |
| 15:34.04 | baktaah | I still got some issues... |
| 15:34.13 | baktaah | How do I get the nautlius ehm "explorer" like in ubuntu |
| 15:34.16 | baktaah | I am running gnome.. |
| 15:34.18 | jetscreamer | i do too but my therapist says i'm making progress |
| 15:34.27 | jetscreamer | we don't know |
| 15:34.32 | jetscreamer | you could ask ubuntu |
| 15:34.41 | jetscreamer | nautilus prefs |
| 15:34.45 | baktaah | jetscreamer: Im running Debian |
| 15:35.00 | jetscreamer | oh you mean as it is in ubuntu |
| 15:35.01 | creatoun | i give my thanks award to enouf because i don't deserve it. |
| 15:35.19 | jetscreamer | baktaah: it's in the prefs for naughtylust |
| 15:35.19 | enouf | mike1o: once you get an up and running system see this and burn a CD/RW whatever http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm#HOW_TO_MAKE_A_GRUB_CD |
| 15:35.28 | behanw | damn iceweasel crashes even in safe-mode (just to rule out any addons I have installed) |
| 15:35.37 | jetscreamer | the new bwoser window checkbox... take it off |
| 15:36.32 | diafic | red |
| 15:36.36 | baktaah | jetscreamer: ehm should I search for naughtylust |
| 15:36.38 | diafic | green |
| 15:36.42 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 15:36.42 | diafic | blue |
| 15:36.45 | diafic | yay! |
| 15:36.52 | jetscreamer | nauti lus |
| 15:37.07 | diafic | test |
| 15:37.10 | diafic | whoa |
| 15:37.11 | jetscreamer | fail |
| 15:37.16 | jetscreamer | !test diafic |
| 15:37.16 | dpkg | Testing diafic... PARITY ERROR - SYSTEM HALTED$#$ |
| 15:37.18 | diafic | yeah, I know I do |
| 15:38.19 | baktaah | jetscreamer: I downloadeed nautilus but ehm how do I get it going |
| 15:39.05 | diafic | baktaah, what are you trying to do Oo |
| 15:39.23 | baktaah | diafic: You know how nautlus file manager (the explorer) looks like in ubuntu, Im trying to get it going in debian.. |
| 15:39.25 | jetscreamer | baktaah: you downloaded nautilus? i thought you had it and you said you just wanted to get it to be more explorer like and not open up new windows. |
| 15:39.44 | diafic | apt-get install gnome |
| 15:39.48 | diafic | done. |
| 15:39.52 | jetscreamer | type nautilus in an xterm if you want? |
| 15:39.54 | baktaah | diafic: already got gnome |
| 15:40.01 | diafic | then you have nautillus |
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| 15:40.06 | baktaah | Ehm have you see how nautlius looks like in Ubuntu ? |
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| 15:40.21 | baktaah | I want it too look like that |
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| 15:41.59 | baktaah | diafic: yeah but it doesnt look like the one Im used to :) |
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| 15:42.58 | abrotman | baktaah: have you thought about just using ubuntu ? |
| 15:43.48 | baktaah | abrotman: doesnt work well with my system Im getting 100 CPU use at a website... and its not 100 in ubuntu |
| 15:44.03 | NicNac | use ubuntu then? |
| 15:44.04 | baktaah | anyway Is there a way to have nautlius look like finder/explorer |
| 15:44.15 | baktaah | NicNac: I meant otherwise |
| 15:44.18 | baktaah | 100 cpu use in ubuntu |
| 15:44.19 | baktaah | and not in debian |
| 15:44.30 | NicNac | oh right |
| 15:44.51 | Eulex | well |
| 15:44.53 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 15:44.53 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
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| 15:45.55 | baktaah | Eulex: actually its debian/nautils has nothing to dow ith ubuntu |
| 15:45.59 | baktaah | let me rephrase my question |
| 15:46.10 | baktaah | how come nautlus opens up a new window wverytime |
| 15:46.16 | baktaah | and how come there is no addressbar |
| 15:46.19 | abrotman | baktaah: wouldn't it be easier to fix ubuntu then try to mold another OS into that form ? |
| 15:47.38 | Eulex | baktaah, that's an option in nautilus. I don't remember where to change it, look in some properties. |
| 15:47.39 | baktaah | abrotman: ehm I just want nautilus to look like that |
| 15:47.48 | jetscreamer | baktaah: you set that in the nautilus preferences |
| 15:48.06 | jetscreamer | see also gconf-editor |
| 15:48.29 | semprix | baktaah |
| 15:48.40 | semprix | its not the nautilus on ubuntu |
| 15:48.44 | semprix | its the prefences |
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| 15:48.53 | jetscreamer | the show address bar alway setting may be only in gconf i forget |
| 15:48.57 | semprix | go to edit |
| 15:49.01 | jetscreamer | but... the settings are all there |
| 15:49.02 | semprix | preferences |
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| 15:49.19 | semprix | you can see that under behaviour tabs |
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| 15:50.00 | semprix | Edit --> Preferences --> Behavior tab --> choose Always Open browser windows |
| 15:50.25 | baktaah | done |
| 15:50.27 | baktaah | thanks guys =) |
| 15:50.44 | baktaah | just one more thing to bother you, my wifi :( |
| 15:50.57 | abrotman | and which kind of wifi chipset ? |
| 15:51.09 | biopyte | hi. how do i save an mp3-stream (radio-stream) as a file, e.g. with xmms? |
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| 15:51.19 | abrotman | !info vsound etch |
| 15:51.21 | baktaah | Intel® Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN |
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| 15:51.50 | biopyte | !info vsound etch |
| 15:51.54 | abrotman | biopyte: be patient |
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| 15:52.08 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 15:52.08 | biopyte | sorry |
| 15:52.09 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 15:52.23 | abrotman | biopyte: i think it saves it as wav .. but you can easily encode that to mp3 if you want |
| 15:52.29 | baktaah | abrotman: Intel® Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN |
| 15:52.40 | biopyte | abrotman: thank you |
| 15:52.55 | abrotman | baktaah: i saw |
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| 15:53.26 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 15:53.26 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 15:53.27 | abrotman | maybe |
| 15:53.28 | Dantix | hi, I have 2 servers and each time I connect using ssh between them both ask me for a password, are there a way to avoid that? |
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| 15:53.37 | petemc | Dantix: ssh keys |
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| 15:53.54 | baktaah | abrotman: thats a different chipset |
| 15:53.56 | Dantix | petemc: thx |
| 15:54.05 | petemc | np |
| 15:54.09 | abrotman | baktaah: i know that .. read the website for it |
| 15:54.16 | dondelelcaro | !ssh without passwd |
| 15:54.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ssh without passwd is (1) on the client: ssh-keygen -t rsa (2) append the contents of the client's ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to the server's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (3) on the client: make sure 'Protocol 2' or 'Protocol 2,1' is in ~/.ssh/config or /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 15:54.40 | abrotman | baktaah: or just try it |
| 15:55.04 | baktaah | can u paste again |
| 15:55.11 | baktaah | Im using irssi cant scroll up |
| 15:55.16 | petemc | baktaah: pgup |
| 15:55.16 | dondelelcaro | baktaah: use page up |
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| 15:55.46 | jetscreamer | try /lastlog nick |
| 15:55.50 | abrotman | !tell baktaah about ipw3945 |
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| 15:57.20 | Eulex | baktaah, http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi |
| 15:57.58 | abrotman | Eulex: which says 3945 drivers |
| 15:58.28 | jetscreamer | speaking of |
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| 15:58.35 | jetscreamer | i need a whiffy howto |
| 15:58.37 | jetscreamer | wifi |
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| 15:59.07 | shogunx | really jetscreamer ? |
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| 15:59.38 | jetscreamer | yeah, never done wireless don't have a clue, now i have wireless |
| 15:59.45 | shogunx | any question in particular? |
| 15:59.58 | jetscreamer | no just a link to a good howto |
| 16:00.14 | shogunx | what chipset jetscreamer ? |
| 16:00.28 | jetscreamer | cept where do i d/l firmware maybe for the .... axt110? or so... |
| 16:00.39 | Eulex | abrotman, yes, 4965 and 3945. there are no clues on the internet that the ipw3945 will work for the 4965, though. |
| 16:00.49 | jetscreamer | it's a ti chip |
| 16:01.09 | shogunx | jetscreamer, i found this really handy when i first started with it: |
| 16:01.12 | shogunx | http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html |
| 16:01.28 | shogunx | thats the main author of wireless-tools |
| 16:01.54 | themill | enouf: I contacted the security team about the old packages on s.d.o (blender) and the response was that it's by design... ok?! |
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| 16:03.03 | enouf | themill: that's nice ..what's the design? ;-) |
| 16:03.18 | jetscreamer | ah jeesus stupid gdm paths |
| 16:03.22 | enouf | themill: i mean thanks for the update too |
| 16:03.28 | grib | /close |
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| 16:04.39 | themill | enouf: no probs... version numbering does mean that it's not a problem, it just looks weird, I guess. |
| 16:04.46 | Eulex | themill, you're wondering why etch has 2.42? |
| 16:04.54 | themill | Eulex: yeah |
| 16:05.05 | themill | Eulex: and s.d.o has an older version |
| 16:05.11 | baktaah | abrotman: Where do I get the nonfree repos= |
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| 16:06.05 | themill | Eulex: anyway got to run off now......sorry to cut it short |
| 16:06.17 | Eulex | themill, you mean security.d.o? I guess it's a relic from when they released a security update for a version of blender in etch when etch was testing |
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| 16:07.10 | lunartear | what package would this be on debian http://pear.php.net/package/XML_RPC ? |
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| 16:07.18 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 16:07.19 | dpkg | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 16:07.39 | shogunx | jetscreamer, i really recommend prism2 with hostap for b only and atheros with madwifi for a/b/g... gives you all sorts of additional functionality in the way of access poiint features, etc. note that madwifi has a closed component, but there is a branch with a reverse engineered version of this component. |
| 16:07.46 | baktaah | does anyone know how to download firmwire |
| 16:07.58 | baktaah | Intel® Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN does anyone kow how to install that one |
| 16:08.01 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 16:08.20 | jetscreamer | shogunx: it's g only, and does all this do tkip? |
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| 16:08.53 | shogunx | jetscreamer, supports most modern security measures. |
| 16:09.03 | Eulex | baktaah, firmware-iwlwifi - Binary firmware for Intel Wireless ? |
| 16:09.04 | jetscreamer | ah cool thanks |
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| 16:09.31 | b_jonas | hi, do you know a way to tell a2ps to start a new page only between paragraphs? the paragraphs in this document are short (this is a table) |
| 16:09.33 | baktaah | Eulex: what model? |
| 16:09.38 | shogunx | jetscreamer, n/p |
| 16:09.44 | Eulex | baktaah, model? |
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| 16:10.23 | baktaah | Eulex: Intel® Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN |
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| 16:12.09 | wlu | need help with ATI sapphire cards. I have two dual head cards. They are both the same however, only one is working. lspci gives the following 09:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 71e1 (rev 9e) |
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| 16:12.21 | wlu | ati apphire cards debian |
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| 16:12.40 | wimpies | Does anybody know how/if i can enable SATA hotplugging ? I have a bay which allows me to plug/unplug a SATA disk and I want linux to automount the drive |
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| 16:13.32 | stew | wimpies: 'update-pciids' will fix the "Unknown device" part. do you know which radeon chipset the cards have? |
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| 16:15.04 | wimpies | stew ? Huh ? |
| 16:15.24 | stew | wimpies: oh, i mant wlu |
| 16:15.27 | baktaah | Eulex: Intel® Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN |
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| 16:17.06 | Eulex | baktaah, yes? according to the page I gave you a link to, the iwlwifi driver will work for your card. |
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| 16:17.48 | jetscreamer | there are kernel modules for hotplugging hd's i believe... |
| 16:17.53 | jetscreamer | all i 'know' |
| 16:18.00 | baktaah | Eulex: sorry I must have missed that, could you please show me again |
| 16:18.27 | Eulex | <Eulex> baktaah, http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi |
| 16:18.37 | wlu | stew: did you have anything to say |
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| 16:19.14 | enouf | wimpies: see linux-ata.org |
| 16:19.15 | daqqal | hey gusy whats new |
| 16:19.45 | daqqal | anyone remember a jive utility, you send it text and it puts it in jive, anyone know what the utility was called, can't find it |
| 16:19.53 | enouf | wimpies: for automounting, might want some udev rules and/or autofs, automount |
| 16:20.43 | baktaah | Eulex: YEAh How do I install that |
| 16:20.45 | baktaah | Eulex: Thats old |
| 16:20.52 | baktaah | Eulex: I was asking how i install that |
| 16:20.54 | enouf | daqqal: my irc client does pig latin O.o |
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| 16:21.07 | enouf | annaway eesay ow,hay ancay ouyay ell?tay |
| 16:21.07 | daqqal | enouf: pidgen? |
| 16:21.19 | enouf | daqqal: sirc/ksirc |
| 16:21.21 | Eulex | baktaah, it's detailed on taht page. |
| 16:21.25 | baktaah | Eulex: no |
| 16:21.39 | enouf | daqqal: (no longer maintained) |
| 16:21.39 | baktaah | Eulex: its abstract |
| 16:21.45 | lunartear | what package would this be on debian http://pear.php.net/package/XML_RPC ? |
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| 16:22.06 | enouf | daqqal: i'd love to see a jive one though ;-) |
| 16:22.10 | Eulex | baktaah, what do you mean? |
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| 16:22.42 | daqqal | enouf: ah yes, i used that before, i have too many accounts so i use former gaim, but this was a cli utility, i just want to pass an email through it and send it |
| 16:22.42 | baktaah | Eulex: How do I install teh driver |
| 16:22.42 | jetscreamer | Texas Instruments ACX 111 <--that's it |
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| 16:22.53 | daqqal | enouf: i'll let you know when i find it |
| 16:22.57 | Eulex | baktaah, you follow the instructions on the HOWTO-iwlwifi page? |
| 16:23.18 | enouf | daqqal: sure.. try freshmeat.net |
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| 16:23.49 | daqqal | enouf: nice, thanx |
| 16:24.00 | jetscreamer | http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Debian |
| 16:24.08 | sig239 | Is it possible to write this to a partition or does it have to be the entire drive? "cp /dev/zero /dev/hda1" |
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| 16:24.28 | Eulex | sig239, emh, use dd |
| 16:24.33 | jetscreamer | sig239: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 ? yes |
| 16:24.39 | jetscreamer | just the partition |
| 16:24.42 | sig239 | Eulex: why dd? cp should work just as well. |
| 16:24.47 | enouf | supposedly one can use cp as well |
| 16:24.56 | jetscreamer | but... note that it's the first partition it wil lmess with the numbering of partitions |
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| 16:25.06 | Eulex | why would cp work? you do not want it to copy the device files. |
| 16:25.08 | enouf | even though it's on the FS level rather than block level |
| 16:25.09 | jetscreamer | just use shred? |
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| 16:25.29 | jetscreamer | and you wouldn't write zeros to an fs via /dev/hda1 would you |
| 16:25.41 | jetscreamer | maybe /mnt/hda1 |
| 16:25.51 | lunartear | someone please tell me what package this would be on debian. http://pear.php.net/package/XML_RPC |
| 16:25.59 | daqqal | enouf: http://freshmeat.net/projects/talkfilters/ |
| 16:25.59 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 16:26.00 | dpkg | methinks search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 16:26.01 | enouf | Eulex: all i know is a debian dev told me very distinctly, and while i've played around with it for testing, haven't got quite right to achieve what i want it to |
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| 16:26.18 | enouf | daqqal: you da jive man! ;-) |
| 16:26.26 | lunartear | jetscreamer are you pointing search to me? |
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| 16:26.46 | jetscreamer | !tell lunartear -about search |
| 16:26.58 | lunartear | jetscreamer i know how to use apt-cache |
| 16:27.03 | jetscreamer | try apt-file |
| 16:27.08 | Cromag | !version |
| 16:27.09 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 16:27.25 | lunartear | I havent been able to figure out which package http://pear.php.net/package/XML_RPC is on debian |
| 16:27.31 | cast | so ummm.does cp /dev/zero /dev/hda1 work? |
| 16:27.35 | Eulex | enouf, I'd expect something like cp /dev/zero /dev/hda1 to attempt to copy the device files... not the contents of the block devices.. |
| 16:28.04 | pumpkin0 | cast: you want to overwrite the HD with 0's ? use dd |
| 16:28.10 | x600 | What entry do I add to fstab, so GmailFS work? |
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| 16:28.20 | enouf | Eulex: it was more told to me used as an ex, of copying one partition's contents to another |
| 16:28.29 | Eulex | ok |
| 16:28.36 | Eulex | anyway, gotta run, bye |
| 16:28.44 | cast | pumpkin0: not my question :) |
| 16:28.52 | jetscreamer | that was hard php5-xmlrpc - XML-RPC module for php5 |
| 16:28.56 | enouf | Eulex: and cast peterS: is the man who knows |
| 16:28.58 | sig239 | jetscreamer: why use /mnt/hda1 instead of /dev/hda1? |
| 16:28.59 | jetscreamer | !be a search barbie |
| 16:29.00 | dpkg | Aww, search is HARD! Let's go shopping, jetscreamer |
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| 16:29.00 | cast | pumpkin0: there seems to be some debate as to whether one can use cp instead of dd |
| 16:29.23 | jetscreamer | sig239: i was just saying i wouldn't expect it to write to an fs via /dev |
| 16:29.34 | x600 | Anyone? |
| 16:29.41 | enouf | !customer |
| 16:29.41 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 16:29.42 | pumpkin0 | cast: well, i will _not_ test that one. But i'm pretty sure cp deos not work here. |
| 16:30.06 | lunartear | jetscreamer, uh is that the pear version? and does that include XML/RPC/Server.php ? |
| 16:30.10 | enouf | i've tried it using a floppy's contents |
| 16:30.12 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 16:30.18 | jetscreamer | it matches what you wanted |
| 16:30.32 | jetscreamer | or seems to... check it out |
| 16:30.33 | enouf | it just did strange things, it seems . |
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| 16:31.33 | jetscreamer | AH GAH i just closed my browser with all my open wireless tabs :( |
| 16:32.11 | pumpkin0 | any good tutorials on scsi-over-IP? It's for a USB-drive attached to another PC, 100MBit LAN between. |
| 16:32.16 | moqq | I just added dotdeb to my sources list, but now inside of aptitude -- when i try to upgrade php -- tons of things are broken and [UNAVAILABLE] |
| 16:33.14 | jetscreamer | is that like the export block device thing? |
| 16:33.23 | jetscreamer | ah yes |
| 16:34.16 | cast | neat. # cp /dev/zero /dev/sdd *did* zero out the device |
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| 16:38.37 | sig239 | What would be the proper command to write zeros to a partition? |
| 16:38.52 | cast | dd or cp, it seems |
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| 16:39.12 | sig239 | cast: so "cp /dev/zero /dev/hda1" ? |
| 16:39.44 | jetscreamer | i want you to try cp |
| 16:39.52 | jetscreamer | and report back to the channel |
| 16:39.54 | cast | sig239: seems to work fine, exam with od |
| 16:39.59 | sig239 | you don't think it will work? |
| 16:40.01 | cast | examine* |
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| 16:40.20 | jelly | how many zeroes are we talking about? |
| 16:40.20 | sig239 | jetscreamer: then how about this instead "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1" ? |
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| 16:40.36 | sig239 | jelly: to the end of the file (hda1) |
| 16:40.37 | jetscreamer | sig239: i typed that way up there.. scroll up... |
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| 16:40.40 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 16:41.00 | alien_ | hi, how can i get second dynamic ip connection? |
| 16:41.03 | sig239 | I got disconnected didn't see that |
| 16:41.33 | cast | cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda1 will work, too |
| 16:41.40 | jelly | eh, dd is the canonical way ;-) |
| 16:42.34 | alien_ | auto eth0:1 |
| 16:42.35 | alien_ | iface eth0:1 inet dhcp |
| 16:42.46 | alien_ | it isnt the right way? :) |
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| 16:42.51 | enouf | cast: in your cp /dev/zero /dev/sdd example, was sddX mounted? |
| 16:42.58 | cast | enouf: hell no |
| 16:43.02 | jelly | sig239: (also, what happens if the destination device has a bad block? ;-) |
| 16:43.04 | enouf | cast: ok... |
| 16:43.21 | sig239 | jelly: shouldn't the bad block automatically be handled underneath by the file system driver? |
| 16:43.21 | wEsTfALl | hi, if i want to read "man lstat", which package do I need? |
| 16:43.26 | enouf | dd will choke too, unless you tell it not to |
| 16:43.34 | jetscreamer | fs? /dev is an fs? |
| 16:43.45 | jetscreamer | wel you know what i mean |
| 16:43.48 | jelly | sig239: what filesystem driver? You're writing directly to a block device |
| 16:43.49 | enouf | vfs .. ftw ;-) |
| 16:43.53 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 16:44.04 | sig239 | oh |
| 16:44.23 | sig239 | well i guess the 'cp' command will have some logic to handle that case? |
| 16:44.31 | sig239 | it is the copy command after all |
| 16:44.38 | jelly | well, there is. "abort on error" |
| 16:44.43 | jetscreamer | why not just use dd , out of curiosity |
| 16:44.45 | sig239 | i'd expect it to do something sensical like retry a few times and then continue on |
| 16:45.06 | sig239 | jetscreamer: I would use dd but I don't know if I need bs= or count= or any other arguments |
| 16:45.16 | jetscreamer | no you don't just to erase it |
| 16:45.26 | jelly | sig239: yah, and display a Abort, Retry, Fail? prompt :-> |
| 16:45.28 | jetscreamer | you can add them if you need |
| 16:45.31 | sig239 | so just a simple dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 |
| 16:45.40 | enouf | i had tried cp /dev/fd0 /tmp/somewhere (and many options and whatnot) , but /tmp was mounted so.. |
| 16:45.46 | jetscreamer | yeah that writes zeros to the entire partition |
| 16:45.55 | sig239 | ok i'll do that also then |
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| 16:46.03 | jetscreamer | !info shred |
| 16:46.07 | sig239 | i would if dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda1 would work also |
| 16:46.11 | enouf | secure-delete |
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| 16:46.15 | enouf | dban |
| 16:46.19 | jetscreamer | uh no it doesn't or something |
| 16:46.22 | jelly | cat /dev/zero | tr '\0' \0' > /dev/hda1 writes zeros too |
| 16:46.24 | jelly | er |
| 16:46.25 | jetscreamer | but it's weird.. try |
| 16:46.29 | jelly | tr '\0' 0 |
| 16:46.45 | enouf | or dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda1 |
| 16:46.53 | jelly | enouf: that's SLOW |
| 16:46.57 | sig239 | enouf: yea. would that work? |
| 16:47.02 | jetscreamer | i tried urandom once.. i forget exactly what happened but it wasn't what i wanted iirc |
| 16:47.10 | enouf | jelly: yes.. entropy |
| 16:47.14 | cast | i wonder if /dev/random would take years |
| 16:47.22 | cast | or maybe just weeks |
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| 16:47.37 | sig239 | i have a fast processor |
| 16:47.44 | sig239 | and lots of memory |
| 16:47.46 | jelly | cast: duh. time dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/null bs=1024 count=1024 and tell us about it. |
| 16:47.46 | enouf | I knew they still had a use \o/ |
| 16:48.02 | dyrne | i recently lost my shared partition when i cat'd urandom to it. freebsd dev nodes messed me up. |
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| 16:48.26 | enouf | shared partition? |
| 16:48.29 | cast | dyrne: overwriting things with PR will do that to ya |
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| 16:48.34 | enouf | wtf is that? |
| 16:48.41 | jetscreamer | just drop the hd in a mri unit, then drop it in a vat of acid |
| 16:48.52 | sig239 | so how long does urandom take for 1k file? |
| 16:48.53 | jetscreamer | turn the mri on |
| 16:48.56 | enouf | glory hole ftw |
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| 16:49.03 | dyrne | well my partiton that is mounted at /mnt/share my movies music is stuff from over 7 or 8 years |
| 16:49.23 | jelly | sig239: however, if you want to overwrite with junk, choosing a truly random seed and a reasonably good PRNG should be ok |
| 16:49.38 | enouf | dyrne: well.. it was mounted .. duh |
| 16:49.40 | sig239 | jelly: what is "truly random seed" mean? PRNG? |
| 16:49.41 | cast | sig239: urandom is about 4MB/s for me, 2ghz |
| 16:49.47 | enouf | dyrne: makes it a live filesystem |
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| 16:50.02 | enouf | dyrne: could've atleaast remounted ro |
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| 16:50.23 | svref | sane-find-scanners finds a supported epson scanner. scanimage --list-devices doesn't find it. This scanner worked in sarge, borken in Etch. All scanner doc I can find on web predates udev. Help! |
| 16:50.26 | jelly | sig239: PRNG = random number generator algorythm. And let's say /dev/random is good enough to seed it |
| 16:50.27 | cast | frandom is 60MB/s by constrast |
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| 16:50.30 | dyrne | dont lecture me! |
| 16:50.44 | enouf | testy? ;-P |
| 16:51.07 | enouf | dyrne: apologies on your data loss .. never fun |
| 16:51.21 | sig239 | cast: I calculated that would take approx. 17 hours for the size of my drive. |
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| 16:51.22 | cast | good thingwe all keep backups hey! |
| 16:51.27 | pumpkin0 | sig239: why do you want to overwrite ? Most recover firms cannot recover something that was overwriten with 1x with 0. The new generation of HD does not have enough slack-surface to recover overwritten data. |
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| 16:51.29 | enouf | heh |
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| 16:51.49 | enouf | wobbles |
| 16:51.55 | lindenl1 | I am having seg fault with xrandr today :( anybody else? |
| 16:52.00 | jetscreamer | he's scared of the dea or something |
| 16:52.03 | cast | sig239: frandom is nice enough, its not a CSPRNG, its just a RC4 keystream, but is better than /dev/zero |
| 16:52.18 | sig239 | pumpkin0: because i have al qaeda manuals, child porn, and murder videos on my hard drive? j/k |
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| 16:52.35 | enouf | jetscreamer: NSA and DHS nowadays .. maybe even ATF if counterfeiting ;-) |
| 16:52.39 | cast | sig239: thats alright, as long as you don't have any metallica |
| 16:52.43 | pumpkin0 | sig239: if you want to be sure just dd some DVD over it. using random start and end positions that should be safe for all normal purposes. |
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| 16:53.05 | enouf | or rap |
| 16:53.06 | jetscreamer | i like the electomagnet and sulphuric acid approach myself |
| 16:53.09 | jelly | not: DON'T use dvd with illegal materials :-) |
| 16:53.19 | jetscreamer | wuusies! |
| 16:53.41 | pumpkin0 | jetscreamer: thermite ? |
| 16:53.43 | cast | right, over 120 seconds i got 2.7 bytes/sec from /dev/random |
| 16:53.56 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 16:54.15 | enouf | 4 vs 3 vs 60 .. hrm ;-) |
| 16:54.18 | jelly | cast: should have pounded your keyboard and moved the mouse |
| 16:54.24 | enouf | votes for dban |
| 16:54.32 | cast | so it'll take 3.5 thousand years to wipe my hd with /dev/random if i'm just chatting on irc |
| 16:54.42 | jetscreamer | go for it! |
| 16:54.44 | enouf | roflcopters |
| 16:54.50 | jelly | cast: connect the mouse to your cat's tail! |
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| 16:55.34 | jelly | you probably need a wireless mouse for that, tho |
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| 16:56.13 | sigp239 | I did the dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 command. Boy that was fast. |
| 16:56.19 | cast | i want a CSPRNG app. just something that seeds from /dev/random and spits out random bits at some decent speed |
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| 16:56.35 | sigp239 | what doesthis mean? 20321+0 records in |
| 16:56.35 | sigp239 | 20320+0 records out |
| 16:56.44 | jelly | cast: what's cryptographically secure for you? |
| 16:56.47 | enouf | sigp239: check it out now .. use od or xxd <-(my fav) |
| 16:56.54 | pumpkin0 | cast: md5sum and some creative pipes ? |
| 16:57.15 | jetscreamer | that's how much it wrote |
| 16:57.21 | enouf | xxd /dev/hda1 | less .. scroll on brother |
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| 16:57.29 | cast | jelly: indistin~le from random data, like AES-CTR |
| 16:58.04 | sigp239 | enouf: what doesthis mean? 20321+0 records in |
| 16:58.05 | sigp239 | 20320+0 records out |
| 16:58.06 | enouf | xxd -s + 40000 /dev/hda1 | less .. scroll on brother |
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| 16:58.11 | jetscreamer | the records 'probably' correspond to the bs=... but not sure at all |
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| 16:58.14 | stew | sigp239: dd uses 512 byte blocks by default, so that is 20321 * 512 bytes |
| 16:58.22 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 16:58.23 | enouf | sigp239: that's what it did |
| 16:58.28 | juancgt | is there any way I can make cron not report the output of a program to my mail? |
| 16:58.35 | enouf | yes, dd defaults to 512 |
| 16:58.47 | jelly | sigp239: that was a small partition. |
| 16:58.58 | cast | juancgt: i pipe output to /dev/null :) |
| 16:58.58 | sigp239 | it was big actually |
| 16:59.07 | jetscreamer | note that while you do have partition 2, you don't have partition 1 |
| 16:59.09 | enouf | you missed some of it? ..heh |
| 16:59.10 | sigp239 | supposed to be over 100 GB |
| 16:59.13 | juancgt | cast: wa what? |
| 16:59.15 | enouf | oh my |
| 16:59.22 | jelly | 20k * 512 is 10MB, not 100GB. |
| 16:59.28 | enouf | hahah |
| 16:59.44 | juancgt | cast: can you explain a lil bit further ? |
| 16:59.58 | enouf | i told you to check it out, however seeking around 100GB isn't too much fine |
| 17:00.06 | cast | juancgt: eg: whoami > /dev/null |
| 17:00.13 | sigp239 | why is it only doing 10MB? |
| 17:00.27 | jetscreamer | did you have a /boot partition? |
| 17:00.30 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 17:00.34 | jelly | sigp239: what was the exit status of dd? |
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| 17:00.45 | enouf | > 2>&1 >/dev/null ? |
| 17:00.48 | sigp239 | wait I know why. It's because I'm an idiot. My drives are sda1 not hda1. |
| 17:00.55 | stew | doh |
| 17:00.56 | jetscreamer | i think hda1 wasn't what you thought it was |
| 17:01.04 | enouf | uh oh |
| 17:01.05 | jetscreamer | note / is hda1 here |
| 17:01.06 | jelly | !blesss sigp239 |
| 17:01.18 | jetscreamer | and i have the sda stuff too |
| 17:01.28 | jelly | sigp239: I hope you have working backups :-) |
| 17:01.38 | sigp239 | all my data is alive |
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| 17:05.56 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.05 | enouf | even fdisk -l |
| 17:06.11 | jetscreamer | does less /etc/fstab |grep hda return anything... what he said rather |
| 17:06.22 | juancgt | cast: worked like a charm... nice idea!` |
| 17:06.33 | pumpkin0 | cat /proc/ide/hda/model ? |
| 17:06.38 | enouf | file -s /dev/hda1 ;-) |
| 17:06.40 | sigp239 | jetscreamer: nope |
| 17:06.50 | jelly | enouf: it's "data" _now_ |
| 17:06.56 | pumpkin0 | enouf: after 10MB of /dev/zero ... no. |
| 17:06.56 | enouf | heh |
| 17:07.27 | sigp239 | my /dev/zero for /dev/sda1 is still chugging along |
| 17:07.37 | jetscreamer | and will for a while |
| 17:07.44 | jetscreamer | if you got the right one this time |
| 17:07.48 | cast | enouf: neat @ file -s |
| 17:07.49 | jetscreamer | ... muhahahaha |
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| 17:08.10 | sigp239 | is there a way to show a progress meter? |
| 17:08.18 | sigp239 | for the dd command? |
| 17:08.18 | jelly | sigp239: you can do a "pkill -USR1 dd" to see how far it got up to now |
| 17:08.32 | pumpkin0 | sigp239: you have to start the thing with buffer in the pipe.. |
| 17:08.41 | jetscreamer | you can ls it from a different console |
| 17:08.46 | jelly | pumpkin0: no need to |
| 17:08.46 | jetscreamer | and see how big it is |
| 17:08.53 | cast | sigp239: i use pv or cstream and a pipe if i want progress |
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| 17:09.08 | jetscreamer | i hit up arrow and see how big it is again |
| 17:09.16 | jelly | dudes, RTF gnu dd M |
| 17:09.17 | cast | pv /dev/zero > /dev/hda kind of thing :) |
| 17:09.19 | sigp239 | wow it's only done 4.6GB so far |
| 17:09.19 | jetscreamer | i suck though |
| 17:09.28 | enouf | cast: yeppers .. check out udevinfo -q all -p /sys/block/hda/hda1 ;-) |
| 17:10.17 | jelly | enouf: ooh, udev is kinky |
| 17:10.32 | enouf | jelly: it's a slippery bastage too .. for ex |
| 17:10.39 | sigp239 | can i install stable and then upgrade to testing? |
| 17:10.43 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 17:10.46 | x_link | sigp239: Yes. |
| 17:10.52 | sigp239 | or should I just install testing from the get go? |
| 17:10.53 | jetscreamer | !etch->lenny |
| 17:10.53 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 17:11.01 | enouf | jelly: udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0/ |
| 17:11.06 | jelly | sigp239: installing stable first is ok |
| 17:11.14 | x_link | sigp239: Just change "etch" or "stable" to "testing" instead. |
| 17:11.22 | x_link | sigp239: In your /etc/apt/sources.liste |
| 17:11.35 | sigp239 | would i be missing anything by installing stable first? like a different default package selection compared to installing the system fresh with testing? |
| 17:11.37 | x_link | sigp239: Then just do sudo aptitude/apt-get update and upgrade. |
| 17:11.40 | enouf | works great for eth devices, but i don't see anything about a -a option anywhere, and if you use the previous -q all -p , you get nada |
| 17:11.42 | jetscreamer | silly to waste time d/l'ing packages you're just going to d/l updated versions of though |
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| 17:11.53 | jetscreamer | but whatever |
| 17:11.56 | x_link | sigp239: But if you have the Lenny CD then just install it right away. |
| 17:12.24 | pumpkin0 | jetscreamer: minimal install with etch ... tasksel again after the upgrade ? |
| 17:12.35 | jetscreamer | TASKSEL SUCKS |
| 17:12.42 | jetscreamer | take all check marks off of it |
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| 17:12.47 | zinx | hehe |
| 17:13.00 | sigp239 | can i install lenny from a thumb drive? |
| 17:13.07 | zinx | sigp239: yes |
| 17:13.18 | sigp239 | how does that work? can you boot from thumbdrives? |
| 17:13.24 | jetscreamer | the installer images are listed |
| 17:13.32 | jetscreamer | there is a usbstick section |
| 17:13.41 | jetscreamer | yes you can if your bios supports it |
| 17:13.42 | zinx | sigp239: on many newer BIOSes, yes |
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| 17:14.35 | jetscreamer | i'd rather be lazy and irc than go buy new tires |
| 17:14.40 | jetscreamer | or so it seems |
| 17:14.44 | enouf | heh |
| 17:14.54 | jetscreamer | tomorrow |
| 17:14.55 | enouf | i have to go to DMV in about 10 min |
| 17:15.00 | sigp239 | how do I blank a CD I don't see the option anywhere in gnome |
| 17:15.05 | jetscreamer | i go to work in an hour or so |
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| 17:15.25 | enouf | sigp239: an RW? man growisofs, IIRC |
| 17:15.27 | jetscreamer | sigp239: use the burner application |
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| 17:15.33 | jetscreamer | or what he said |
| 17:15.42 | enouf | er and genisoimage |
| 17:15.52 | jelly | cdrecord blank=fast |
| 17:15.53 | sigp239 | i thought i could just right-click the icon in Computer and just choose Erase |
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| 17:16.45 | sigp239 | i don't have cdrecord |
| 17:16.48 | enouf | i had to that like once in 20 years .. i loathe rw media, but whatever |
| 17:16.53 | sigp239 | and there is no cd burning app |
| 17:16.54 | jetscreamer | it's called wodim nowadays |
| 17:16.56 | enouf | sigp239: man wodim |
| 17:17.00 | enouf | sigp239: install it |
| 17:17.03 | sigp239 | crap |
| 17:17.05 | sigp239 | ok |
| 17:17.07 | enouf | huh? |
| 17:17.15 | enouf | !wodim |
| 17:17.16 | dpkg | wodim is, like, a DFSG compliant fork of cdrecord. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 17:17.18 | jetscreamer | apt-get install k3b is my suggestion, but that's just me |
| 17:17.21 | alanhaggai | My cable modem is outputting to the terminal. It is hindering my work. How can I redirect output to log files rather than the terminal? |
| 17:17.23 | grendal_prime | how do i set up a smb mount in the fstab.. |
| 17:17.35 | grendal_prime | with authenticatioin info as well |
| 17:17.36 | sigp239 | i wonder if anyone thought of 1. double-click 'Computer'. 2. right-click CD drive. 3. choose Erase. |
| 17:17.57 | daqqal | the #linux channel has overflowen |
| 17:17.57 | jetscreamer | sigp239: as i said, i think you have to explicitly install the nautilus burner extension |
| 17:18.07 | enouf | wodim blank=fast is easier |
| 17:18.08 | jelly | sigp239: that would be Gnome specific |
| 17:18.13 | cast | night guys |
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| 17:18.31 | jetscreamer | !find nautilus burn |
| 17:18.40 | dpkg | Debian Desc Search of 'nautilus burn' (2): libnautilus-burn4 ;; libnautilus-burn-dev. |
| 17:18.40 | enouf | sigp239: and we're using the backends, not any specific frontend app |
| 17:18.46 | daqqal | k3b |
| 17:18.47 | jetscreamer | dammit... what was that, kpages? |
| 17:18.57 | enouf | no gnome here |
| 17:18.59 | jetscreamer | for the console spam |
| 17:19.01 | kenji | guys whats for squid -k rotate and squid -k reconfigure ? |
| 17:19.02 | grendal_prime | '//192.168.1.31/e-backend /mnt/Backend smbfs defaults 0 0 |
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| 17:19.12 | SORMANOV | how can i see what commands others are typing on my box ? |
| 17:19.22 | namit | i have just put in a second network card in my machine but its not there when i do ifconfig how do i install it? |
| 17:19.24 | grendal_prime | i tried that but it does not work im assuming because there is no auth info in that. |
| 17:19.25 | enouf | alanhaggai: your cable modem? |
| 17:19.27 | enouf | you sure? |
| 17:19.37 | enouf | alanhaggai: what's it saying? lol |
| 17:19.42 | daqqal | su - <uid> ; history |
| 17:20.03 | kenji | guys can you give me a hand with squid? |
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| 17:20.27 | alanhaggai | enouf, "Inbound In=eth1 out=......." |
| 17:20.51 | jelly | SORMANOV: no easy way. search for monitoring utilities, a nice keyword is "snoop" |
| 17:20.52 | alanhaggai | enouf, Yes. I am using a cable modem. |
| 17:20.53 | namit | how do i get debian to pick up on new hardware? e.g. a network card |
| 17:21.04 | daqqal | iptraf |
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| 17:21.10 | eap | kenji: a 'man squid' will tell you |
| 17:21.24 | sigp239 | I don't see the usb stick folder on the ftp server |
| 17:21.25 | enouf | weird .. er.. my cable modem has a reset option and stuff nothing about turning on off logging/traffic, but i use a router too |
| 17:21.25 | jetscreamer | you might try a firewall, but there is a setting for the kernel spam... k something i think |
| 17:21.38 | jetscreamer | the bot knows but i don't remember the word |
| 17:21.45 | stew | namit: which network card do you have? |
| 17:21.51 | enouf | namit: does lspci see it? |
| 17:22.00 | namit | not sure just one i have in my room |
| 17:22.01 | enouf | namit: run update-pciids if not |
| 17:22.05 | alanhaggai | enouf, is there any way that I can stop this from outputting to the terminal? Any linux way to do that? |
| 17:22.09 | abrotman | enouf: it would still see it |
| 17:22.37 | kenji | eap jajajajajajaja I did it ;) but man squid just say -k reconfigure | rotate | shutdown | interrupt | kill | debug | check | parse |
| 17:22.38 | kenji | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.42 | enouf | abrotman: i'm misunderstanding the question then |
| 17:22.48 | namit | enouf, yes lspci sees it |
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| 17:22.59 | kenji | eap thats why Im asking :) |
| 17:23.04 | enouf | namit: ok, you waant tio configure it? |
| 17:23.15 | sigp239 | Where can I download the testing usb stick installer? |
| 17:23.17 | eap | kenji: thats what -k does it sends signal to squid |
| 17:23.20 | namit | enouf, tio? |
| 17:23.23 | enouf | alanhaggai: sorry, offhand i don;t know .. however, there must be a way |
| 17:23.30 | enouf | to* |
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| 17:23.38 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 17:23.41 | enouf | you /want to/ |
| 17:23.42 | jetscreamer | alanhaggai: you might try setting your firewall higher for one, but there is a setting that the bot knows that i can't remember the word for, for console spam from the kernel |
| 17:23.53 | rbd | hey guys, I am building a deb package that will need to replace some config files insalled by other packages with its own version (e.g. /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf for instance). is the recommended way to do this usually to include my customized lighttpd.conf file in mydist/etc/lighttpd and enter it in mydist/DEBIAN/conffiles, or to copy it over manually in the postinst script? |
| 17:23.54 | jetscreamer | k-something.... i think |
| 17:23.57 | jelly | alanhaggai: try something like sysctl -w kernel.printk="4 4 1 7" |
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| 17:24.04 | jetscreamer | printk that's it |
| 17:24.06 | jetscreamer | !printk |
| 17:24.06 | dpkg | [printk console] see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 17:24.07 | enouf | printk in sysctl.conf |
| 17:24.16 | enouf | but that's kerenl messages iinm |
| 17:24.27 | jetscreamer | it's what he wants though |
| 17:24.41 | jelly | looks like iptables logging to me. |
| 17:24.44 | jelly | so, yes |
| 17:25.05 | jetscreamer | he's getting all that big nic spam from some other box trying to access his from a leftover something, or the other way around |
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| 17:25.19 | kenji | guys can you give me a hand with squid? |
| 17:25.25 | jetscreamer | i make mine go away |
| 17:25.25 | alanhaggai | enouf, jelly, jetscreamer : I also get the CPU1 temperature is normal and messages like that output to the terminal by the kernel. I would like to stop that too. |
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| 17:25.39 | techbee | kenji:you can read the comments in squid configuration file |
| 17:25.43 | jetscreamer | printk again i think, not sure though |
| 17:25.53 | enouf | you can echo '0' > /proc/sys/kernel/printk (though not sure that's the best way) |
| 17:25.53 | jelly | alanhaggai: play with printk and syslog settings. |
| 17:26.00 | jetscreamer | but that would just stop the pasting, the underlying problem/whatever would still be there |
| 17:26.15 | Kjikaqawej | i set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 and it kills them |
| 17:26.16 | jelly | I'd just start X ;-) |
| 17:26.17 | alanhaggai | jelly, I think those are kernel messages. Or are they? |
| 17:26.40 | jelly | alanhaggai: some of those you mentioned are, afair |
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| 17:26.55 | jelly | alanhaggai: have you tried printk? |
| 17:27.04 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 17:27.06 | alanhaggai | jelly, I tried what you had told. |
| 17:27.14 | jelly | alanhaggai: and? |
| 17:27.22 | Kjikaqawej | doesn't kill all of them, like the urgent ones, which is what you'll want |
| 17:27.44 | jelly | alanhaggai: was there any change? |
| 17:27.56 | jetscreamer | oh... also i get that when the stupid allow-hotplug setting is in /etc/network/interfaces, instead of auto eth0 |
| 17:27.58 | alanhaggai | jelly, I think they have been suppressed. |
| 17:28.04 | enouf | namit: you said "pick up new hardware" .. lspci and dmesg seems to mean it's been "picked up" .. |
| 17:28.05 | jetscreamer | because the settings are borked |
| 17:28.06 | alanhaggai | jelly, maybe I have to wait and see. |
| 17:28.17 | jetscreamer | and so is the nic's setup |
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| 17:28.48 | jelly | alanhaggai: that's ok. you can try puting it back to "7 4 1 7", if they appear again, it works |
| 17:28.49 | jetscreamer | he wants it autoconfigured also |
| 17:28.54 | Azar | honorables: Happy System Administrator Appreciation Day!! beer beer... |
| 17:29.13 | alanhaggai | jetscreamer, yes. |
| 17:29.19 | kenji | techbee or you can tellme ;) |
| 17:29.25 | kenji | techbee or you don't know xD |
| 17:29.25 | jelly | alanhaggai: edit /etc/sysctl.conf and uncomment the kernel.printk line to set it up automatically on boot |
| 17:29.49 | sam_ | hi are there any how-to's to set up a office filserver/groupware system? I am looking for a drop-in replacement for exchange.. |
| 17:29.59 | jetscreamer | but the nic doesn't work right either (network connection) when it's the allow-hotplug .. so if the nic works you got net it's not that |
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| 17:30.13 | alanhaggai | ok jelly |
| 17:30.19 | sigp239 | why isn't there a weekly build for the testing netinstall |
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| 17:30.26 | alanhaggai | I see jetscreamer . I am able to get to the net. |
| 17:30.35 | jetscreamer | !find evolution-exchange |
| 17:30.36 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'evolution-exchange' (2): evolution-exchange ;; evolution-exchange-dbg. |
| 17:30.39 | jetscreamer | so set printk |
| 17:31.04 | Kjikaqawej | holy mack, there's a fire about a block away, upwind here |
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| 17:31.17 | alanhaggai | jetscreamer, ok. |
| 17:31.24 | Kjikaqawej | hot day, old buildings... |
| 17:31.37 | alanhaggai | Thank you very much enouf, jelly and jetscreamer :) |
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| 17:31.46 | Kjikaqawej | looks like a 2nd or 3rd storey apt or store |
| 17:32.02 | jelly | sigp239: that's a good question... for d-i guys |
| 17:32.05 | limpio | hi all, is there a way to change the amount of boot times for ext3 to check the file systems, /, /home etc? |
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| 17:32.40 | jelly | limpio: yes. look at tune2fs -c and -i options. |
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| 17:32.53 | palestinian | everytime I want to download something I get this: http://pastebin.com/m52ce1a69 but nothing is installed,why? |
| 17:33.04 | limpio | jelly, thx pal |
| 17:33.39 | jetscreamer | palestinian: do you have contrib non-free in sources.list ? |
| 17:33.48 | jetscreamer | !find opera |
| 17:33.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'opera' (6 of 49): (/usr/bin/viewurl-opera.sh) in net/licq ;; (/usr/include/gpsim/operator.h) in devel/gpsim-dev ;; (/usr/include/geos/operation.h) in libdevel/libgeos-dev ;; (/usr/include/qt3/qurloperator.h) in devel/libqt3-headers ;; (/usr/include/ginac/operators.h) in libdevel/libginac-dev ;; (/usr/include/pulse/operation.h) in libdevel/libpulse-dev. |
| 17:34.03 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 17:34.09 | jelly | limpio: you can change them any time, even while the filesystems are mounted |
| 17:34.19 | Kjikaqawej | bin/opera would work better |
| 17:34.44 | Kjikaqawej | !find bin/opera |
| 17:34.47 | limpio | jelly, ok thx, should i reboot afterwards? |
| 17:34.51 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/opera' returned no results. |
| 17:35.01 | jelly | no need to, limpio |
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| 17:35.14 | palestinian | everytime I want to download something I get this: http://pastebin.com/m52ce1a69 but nothing is installed,why? |
| 17:35.18 | abrotman | opera isn't in debian |
| 17:35.32 | Kjikaqawej | duh |
| 17:35.32 | streuner | !opera |
| 17:35.32 | dpkg | Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite which handles common internet-related tasks including visiting web sites, sending and receiving e-mail messages. Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. see <opera apt> |
| 17:35.35 | jetscreamer | !opera |
| 17:35.41 | palestinian | abrotman, but with every package i get it |
| 17:35.55 | jelly | palestinian: like, for instance, what else? |
| 17:35.56 | abrotman | no you don't |
| 17:35.58 | jetscreamer | you get that because you put opera on the install line |
| 17:36.10 | abrotman | notice line 9 |
| 17:36.10 | jetscreamer | or some other not there package |
| 17:36.12 | palestinian | jelly, amsn for example |
| 17:36.13 | lunartear | I dont see any packages that have XML/RPC/Server.php on debian's package site. http://pear.php.net/package/XML_RPC is the non debian source |
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| 17:36.17 | palestinian | jetscreamer, with amsn the same thing |
| 17:36.39 | streuner | abrotman: do you agree that we support opensource? |
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| 17:36.48 | jelly | palestinian: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy amsn and aptitude install amsn |
| 17:36.48 | abrotman | streuner: eh? |
| 17:36.57 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search XML-RPC |grep php |
| 17:37.04 | streuner | abrotman: /msg dpkg factinfo opera apt |
| 17:37.10 | abrotman | streuner: right .. and? |
| 17:37.26 | abrotman | streuner: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner .. what's your point |
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| 17:37.33 | streuner | hehe |
| 17:37.43 | abrotman | streuner: /msg dpkg oracle .. |
| 17:37.49 | abrotman | want me to keep going ? |
| 17:38.06 | streuner | abrotman: there no other way to get some nvidia videocards too work, but there are other browsers out there... |
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| 17:38.12 | jelly | streuner: supporting opensource does not mean disabling people from running closed source |
| 17:38.14 | palestinian | http://pastebin.com/mb05b733 |
| 17:38.17 | palestinian | jelly, |
| 17:38.19 | abrotman | streuner: i don't see your point .. |
| 17:38.34 | abrotman | palestinian: it's already installed |
| 17:38.38 | streuner | jelly: no, but we dont need to force it... |
| 17:38.44 | palestinian | abrotman, I know |
| 17:38.44 | abrotman | streuner: there are tons of factoids about making non-free things work .. |
| 17:38.50 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 17:38.55 | jelly | streuner: give me an open source opera and I will try it. |
| 17:39.02 | jetscreamer | !i'm a fucking retard idiot |
| 17:39.07 | palestinian | abrotman, but its still cant be installed again,i want to reinstall it because give me error |
| 17:39.08 | jetscreamer | !i'm a fucking retard |
| 17:39.09 | dpkg | yes, yes you are, jetscreamer |
| 17:39.16 | abrotman | palestinian: aptitude reinstall amsn |
| 17:39.35 | jelly | streuner: i don't see how existence of a factoid equals "forcing" anyone to do anything |
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| 17:40.11 | jetscreamer | !get along |
| 17:40.11 | dpkg | i guess get along is Can't we all just get along??? If not, then just S.T.F.U. (if you need a definition of stfu, just ask me) |
| 17:40.13 | palestinian | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m2be23cec |
| 17:40.15 | abrotman | streuner: /msg dpkg vmware deb |
| 17:40.34 | jelly | abrotman: I think that's enough, tyvm ;-) |
| 17:40.43 | abrotman | :) |
| 17:40.50 | abrotman | palestinian: aptitude clean .. try again |
| 17:41.04 | jetscreamer | aptitude autoclean |
| 17:41.18 | abrotman | jetscreamer: what .. no wacky dselect command ? :) |
| 17:41.20 | jetscreamer | does that work? |
| 17:41.39 | jetscreamer | nah i don't have time to get into that.. an hour before i gotta go |
| 17:41.52 | palestinian | abrotman, the same |
| 17:41.52 | jetscreamer | sos gets o |
| 17:42.33 | streuner | abrotman: and? |
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| 17:42.39 | sam_ | anyone have any exchange replacement suggestions? i have looked at open-exchange but it appears to be unsupported on debian |
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| 17:42.46 | abrotman | streuner: nevermind |
| 17:42.55 | palestinian | something may be wrong in the sources.list? |
| 17:42.56 | jelly | palestinian: hm, can you remove amsn, then install it again? |
| 17:43.27 | palestinian | jelly, the problem is not the amsn...yesterday I was trying with different problems and I couldnt...i just want to solve the problem of aptitude and apt-get |
| 17:43.34 | jetscreamer | !find evolution-exchange |
| 17:43.35 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'evolution-exchange' (2): evolution-exchange ;; evolution-exchange-dbg. |
| 17:43.47 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that's the connector AFAIK |
| 17:43.51 | jetscreamer | o |
| 17:43.56 | jetscreamer | !lart me |
| 17:44.03 | asg | jetscreamer: it's more of an outlook replacement than the backend |
| 17:44.17 | Kjikaqawej | exchange replacement? what like a real mta for instance? |
| 17:44.21 | jelly | palestinian: what's wrong is that you have a package version newer than what is in stable. This could have happened if you had testing or unstable in sources.list, installed some stuff from there then removed those testing (or unstable) lines |
| 17:44.42 | amee2k | what package contains lspci on 'etch'? |
| 17:44.50 | jetscreamer | pciutils i think |
| 17:44.51 | enouf | pciutils |
| 17:44.52 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 17:44.52 | dpkg | it has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see ... |
| 17:45.03 | enouf | !win jetscreamer |
| 17:45.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, jetscreamer! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 17:45.07 | jelly | amee2k: same old, same old |
| 17:45.25 | enouf | (should've beered ya, or given ya a pony) |
| 17:45.26 | Kjikaqawej | bother us with questions that he can answer himself.... |
| 17:45.43 | jelly | Kjikaqawej: Exchange is more than a MTA, it's a life-changing experience! |
| 17:45.46 | jetscreamer | don't answer |
| 17:45.51 | enouf | shhh |
| 17:45.51 | amee2k | ha ha. i tried apt-get search lspci but it came up with nothing |
| 17:46.05 | enouf | amee2k: read closely |
| 17:46.06 | jelly | amee2k: you haven't read that factiod well, then |
| 17:46.06 | jetscreamer | i can see why |
| 17:46.08 | palestinian | jelly, u mean remove amsn? |
| 17:46.13 | jelly | palestinian: yes |
| 17:46.14 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:46.17 | Kjikaqawej | duh, of course nothing showed up |
| 17:46.30 | palestinian | jelly, but the problem is not just with the amsn...im saying I have a problem to download other programs |
| 17:46.49 | palestinian | tell me the name of any program and ill try to download it,u will see |
| 17:46.51 | jelly | palestinian: what's wrong is that you have installed packages version newer than what is in stable. This could have happened if you had testing or unstable in sources.list, installed some stuff from there then removed those testing (or unstable) lines. |
| 17:46.51 | amee2k | pciutils works. ty |
| 17:47.00 | jetscreamer | Kjikaqawej is not nice |
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| 17:47.03 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 17:47.04 | jelly | ... if I may repeat myself. |
| 17:47.17 | palestinian | ah,ok |
| 17:47.20 | jetscreamer | that's ok, neither am i |
| 17:47.22 | enouf | amee2k: man update-pciids while you're at it |
| 17:47.33 | palestinian | jelly, aptitude uninstall amsn? |
| 17:47.39 | jetscreamer | purge |
| 17:47.45 | asg | binge |
| 17:47.46 | palestinian | no |
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| 17:47.54 | jelly | palestinian: aptitude purge amsn |
| 17:47.55 | jetscreamer | it won't take your ~/amsn |
| 17:48.02 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
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| 17:48.23 | palestinian | ok,removed |
| 17:48.25 | jetscreamer | unless you got really weird on it |
| 17:48.31 | jetscreamer | as root |
| 17:49.03 | abrotman | !beer jelly |
| 17:49.05 | asg | jelly: beer run |
| 17:49.20 | abrotman | asg: dunno .. seems to me you'd spill some while running |
| 17:49.23 | Kjikaqawej | jetscreamer: i get tired of seeing the same nicks over and over asking for similar things, or different things, that by now of both using debian and being in this channel, even reading a little bit in here, that they can answer themselves. either they're damned lazy, or we're not accomplishing anything. |
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| 17:49.37 | jelly | asg: more like a home run, still at work (7:50pm) |
| 17:49.39 | palestinian | jelly, now can I reinstall it just puting "aptitude install amsn"?, I already deleted the unstable sources.list |
| 17:49.40 | asg | abrotman: never! |
| 17:49.42 | palestinian | and updated it |
| 17:49.44 | Ronin | Kjikaqawej: i bet on lazy :) |
| 17:49.45 | asg | jelly: eep |
| 17:50.02 | Kjikaqawej | that's my bet |
| 17:50.30 | abrotman | jelly: but it's thursday! |
| 17:50.31 | ZnR | how was it i changed charset to "latin1" as default-system-charset in Ubuntu? |
| 17:50.37 | abrotman | ZnR: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:50.42 | Ronin | ZnR: you ask in the correct channel |
| 17:50.45 | ZnR | thanks |
| 17:51.00 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data ? |
| 17:51.09 | jetscreamer | no locales is different in ubuntu |
| 17:51.23 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:51.29 | jetscreamer | i hate the ubuntu implementation of locales |
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| 17:51.34 | enouf | might have a bad /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin -- also unwanted entries in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 17:51.40 | jetscreamer | ask them what, why they fucked up their version of locales? |
| 17:51.41 | Kjikaqawej | seems they pre-build them then package them, or something |
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| 17:51.56 | jetscreamer | abrotman: /msg dpkg ubuntu :p |
| 17:52.09 | SORMANOV | how to msg someone connected on my box ? |
| 17:52.10 | abrotman | jetscreamer: /msg dpkg shuddup |
| 17:52.10 | jelly | abrotman: don't say that, you almost frightened me |
| 17:52.26 | asg | SORMANOV: write |
| 17:52.28 | Kjikaqawej | SORMANOV: echo "hello, you're fired" | wall |
| 17:52.28 | abrotman | SORMANOV: write or talk |
| 17:52.48 | jetscreamer | wall is deprecated or insecure or something i think i heard? |
| 17:52.55 | jelly | talk needs daemons installed and running |
| 17:52.59 | asg | jetscreamer: no, just louder than necessary |
| 17:53.00 | palestinian | abrotman, jelly thnx |
| 17:53.11 | palestinian | fixed |
| 17:53.13 | jetscreamer | ah.. all |
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| 17:53.20 | palestinian | and jetscreamer |
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| 17:53.48 | abrotman | jelly: he asked! |
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| 17:54.24 | jelly | palestinian: if you had unstable in your sources.list and installed stuff from there, I suggest you put in testing now, and keep using it. You'll at least get _some_ upgrades, and won't have to pretend you have an installation of stable, when you don't |
| 17:54.45 | jetscreamer | !jelly++ |
| 17:54.49 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 17:55.02 | jetscreamer | or reinstall |
| 17:55.09 | jetscreamer | !downgrade |
| 17:55.09 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 17:55.10 | jelly | palestinian: basically, whoever told you to put unstable in sources.list, fucked you up, that's not a good idea |
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| 17:55.56 | palestinian | jelly, i did it by mistake when I wanted a non-free source to download the ipw drivers |
| 17:56.08 | jetscreamer | just make it testing |
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| 17:56.12 | jetscreamer | or reinstall |
| 17:56.12 | enouf | !break palestinian |
| 17:56.14 | jetscreamer | testing is good |
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| 17:56.31 | jetscreamer | and wil catch up to whatever you installed, if it hasn't already |
| 17:56.43 | jelly | palestinian: testing is usually good enough if you know your way around linux, not too much breakage |
| 17:57.00 | jelly | palestinian: or reinstall stable. |
| 17:57.01 | jetscreamer | even if you don't know all that much.. but ymmv |
| 17:57.04 | palestinian | jelly, I dont want unstable, I want stable |
| 17:57.11 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 17:57.11 | dpkg | reinstall is, like, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 17:57.14 | jelly | palestinian: then you have to reinstall. :-| |
| 17:57.16 | palestinian | jelly, I have stable..i already deleted unstable from sources.list |
| 17:57.25 | jetscreamer | palestinian: doesn't count |
| 17:57.35 | jelly | palestinian: you already messed it up, there's no way back but to reinstall |
| 17:57.37 | jetscreamer | palestinian: you can't become a virgin again, either |
| 17:57.41 | stew | palestinian: then you either need to find and downgrade all the unstable packages by hand, or you need to reinstall |
| 17:57.53 | palestinian | jetscreamer, yes,there is operations |
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| 17:58.05 | jetscreamer | palestinian: it's not 'true' virginity |
| 17:58.05 | palestinian | install debian from 0? |
| 17:58.09 | jetscreamer | it's fake |
| 17:58.11 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 17:58.18 | jetscreamer | anyway |
| 17:58.23 | jelly | jetscreamer: reincarnation? |
| 17:58.35 | palestinian | from 0?,all again?,configure my ipw again?, and the hebrew,and the themes in gnome,and all again? |
| 17:58.41 | jetscreamer | either go testing or reinstall or do it by hand... reinstall is quickest and easiest to get stable |
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| 17:58.57 | jetscreamer | no you can save your settings |
| 17:59.03 | jetscreamer | and your package list |
| 17:59.03 | limpio | jelly, i read the man tune2fs, but not quite understood it, i tried: # tune2fs -c 30 but just gave me a list of options |
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| 17:59.11 | jetscreamer | !tell palestinian -about reinstall |
| 17:59.16 | jetscreamer | the second portion |
| 17:59.22 | jetscreamer | and save /home files |
| 17:59.26 | jelly | palestinian: unfortunately, yes. well, the settings in your HOME will be preserved if you keep that partition |
| 17:59.30 | jetscreamer | and maybe some /etc if you want |
| 17:59.30 | palestinian | well...thnx...il do it after finishing my work for the univ |
| 17:59.34 | valdyn | limpio: that means that 'tune2fs -c 30' is not a valid command? |
| 17:59.51 | palestinian | jelly, but i have not home partition,only / |
| 17:59.54 | jelly | limpio: you need to tell it which partition that -c 30 applies to |
| 18:00.15 | jelly | palestinian: then backup all the files from /home some place else |
| 18:00.21 | palestinian | yes |
| 18:00.21 | limpio | jelly, for each partition? |
| 18:00.22 | palestinian | ill do |
| 18:00.23 | palestinian | thnx |
| 18:00.25 | jelly | limpio: yes |
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| 18:00.37 | limpio | jelly, ok i understand |
| 18:00.37 | Blackhold | hello |
| 18:00.47 | palestinian | ok,i need to go |
| 18:00.51 | palestinian | bye,thnx guys |
| 18:00.54 | palestinian | ill reinstall |
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| 18:01.29 | Blackhold | I'm on a tty and when I type à áèéìÃòóúù it goes really slow to show them... what could be? |
| 18:01.30 | jelly | limpio: like, tune2fs -c0 -i0 /dev/sda8 (or whatever) ... (but it's not smart to use -c0 and -i0 ;-) |
| 18:01.44 | Blackhold | when I enter to the system to use the tty I have to type loadkeys es |
| 18:01.52 | Blackhold | how I can solve these two problems? |
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| 18:02.40 | limpio | jelly, will tune2fs -c /dev/sda1 fly? |
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| 18:03.14 | limpio | -c 30, sorry |
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| 18:03.30 | jelly | limpio: it should work |
| 18:03.38 | limpio | jelly, ok |
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| 18:05.50 | limpio | jelly, it worked :) thx pal |
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| 18:06.25 | jelly | you're welcome |
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| 18:12.44 | Blackhold | please, could anyone help me with the special characters? |
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| 18:16.40 | jelly | !keymap |
| 18:16.40 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
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| 18:17.26 | jelly | Blackhold: as for the second part (needing to manually run loadkeys), read above (dpkg-reconfigure...). Don't know about the first part. |
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| 18:17.54 | jelly | Blackhold: maybe try the local es channel |
| 18:17.55 | jelly | !es |
| 18:17.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:18.22 | Blackhold | jelly: I'm on it |
| 18:18.26 | drwahl | if i do a base install, what packages are needed to get kde installed and working? |
| 18:18.29 | Blackhold | dpkg-reconfigure loadkeys ? |
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| 18:18.50 | Blackhold | nope, it don't works :( |
| 18:18.50 | jelly | Blackhold: read what dpkg said. |
| 18:18.54 | Blackhold | ok |
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| 18:19.37 | jelly | I wonder if !install kde exists |
| 18:19.41 | jelly | !install kde |
| 18:19.41 | dpkg | well, install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 18:19.53 | jelly | drwahl: see ^^ |
| 18:20.11 | deadlyliver | IRC on my blackberry. Hell yeah. |
| 18:20.22 | drwahl | jelly: i have done that, along with xserver-xorg, and it still has video issues |
| 18:20.40 | jelly | deadlyliver: do you have a decent ssh app for it? |
| 18:20.41 | drwahl | maybe i should mention that there was no xserver installed prior... |
| 18:20.54 | kenws | hello, I have a strange problem with my subversion repro after upgrading the server to debian etch. I can't do anything on my svn repo if it requires a "valid" user. the apache2 error log says: [error] [client 88.65.125.143] (2)No such file or directory: Could not open password file: /etc/apache2/dav_svn.passwd" |
| 18:20.56 | deadlyliver | jelly: not yet |
| 18:20.58 | jelly | drwahl: hm, then /msg dpkg install x, too |
| 18:21.24 | kenws | but the permissions seem to be fine: -rw-rw-rw- 1 www-data www-data 82 Jul 23 21:48 /etc/apache2/dav_svn.passwd |
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| 18:21.54 | jelly | drwahl: as for the video issues, that's probably the video driver's (X') fault, not kde |
| 18:21.58 | Kjikaqawej | kenws: 666 on the file? do you want to have that file compormised? that's a good way to do that |
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| 18:22.35 | kenws | Kjikaqawej: that is for testing. just to exclude a permission prob |
| 18:22.37 | Blackhold | weno ahora vengo |
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| 18:23.37 | kenws | i tried it in a virtual machine using a fresh etch netinst with the following apache config, but i'm getting the same error: http://pastebin.ca/634900 |
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| 18:25.00 | zskdan | in my debian unstable i upgraded the kernel from 2.6.18-4-amd64 to 2.6.21-amd64 but the sound won't work any idea !! |
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| 18:25.47 | Kjikaqawej | try turnig the volume up |
| 18:26.00 | zskdan | my sound card is intel hda in a toshiba laptop |
| 18:26.12 | unlink | what is debian's stance of libelektra? |
| 18:26.41 | zskdan | i used alsamixer PCM bar is full !! |
| 18:27.01 | zskdan | but i can't set the master bar !! |
| 18:27.30 | zskdan | ?? |
| 18:28.03 | zskdan | i reinstalled the alsa driver but no luck !! |
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| 18:31.56 | blubberdiblub | zskdan: i assume the master is not muted? |
| 18:32.31 | zskdan | no is not :D |
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| 18:34.07 | Kjikaqawej | zskdan: should be able to bring up the master, if you can change pcm |
| 18:34.17 | zskdan | when i plug extern speaker it work but just a little |
| 18:35.22 | zskdan | <Kjikaqawej> zskdan: should be able to bring up the master, if you can change pcm |
| 18:35.22 | zskdan | <z |
| 18:36.00 | zskdan | Kjikaqawej : i can change the PCM but not the master !! |
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| 18:36.54 | Kjikaqawej | i said should, didn't say you could. meaning that normally you can change master and other other stuff if one of them is changable by you |
| 18:37.07 | Kjikaqawej | (stating the obvious) |
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| 18:37.27 | stoned | mmm |
| 18:37.30 | stoned | sesame chicken |
| 18:37.36 | stoned | fried rice and sprite |
| 18:37.54 | jwendell | can i question something about cdbs here? |
| 18:37.58 | stoned | ahh boy |
| 18:38.00 | stoned | life is good again |
| 18:38.02 | Kjikaqawej | are you maybe loading 2 drivers for the device? what are you using to change the sound settings? |
| 18:38.24 | stoned | simon my main man whats up |
| 18:38.25 | Kjikaqawej | jwendell: you'll want the dev chan, #debian-devel on irc.debian.org |
| 18:38.37 | jwendell | Kjikaqawej, thanks |
| 18:38.41 | Kjikaqawej | hi stoned, not much, too hot |
| 18:38.48 | zskdan | i'm using alsamixer |
| 18:38.48 | stoned | same here |
| 18:39.16 | stoned | im eating kosher chinese food |
| 18:39.16 | stoned | heh |
| 18:39.16 | Kjikaqawej | had a fire a block away, in an old building |
| 18:39.16 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.17 | Kjikaqawej | hehe, neat |
| 18:39.43 | zskdan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:40.24 | Kjikaqawej | zskdan: so you try to up the master, and doesn't go up? is it 100% maybe? :P |
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| 18:40.53 | stoned | if pcm is down master won't make a diff |
| 18:40.55 | Kjikaqawej | i have no idea... try googling this |
| 18:41.05 | Kjikaqawej | he said it's up |
| 18:41.09 | stoned | hmm |
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| 18:41.20 | Tarraq | Anyone knows a good "helper script" for running a secondary DNS? |
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| 18:41.56 | zskdan | Kjikaqawej: no, it at 0% |
| 18:41.59 | zskdan | :p |
| 18:42.02 | stoned | heh |
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| 18:42.06 | stoned | turn on the pcm and master both |
| 18:42.08 | Kjikaqawej | master? |
| 18:42.15 | stoned | and a 'front' if you have that |
| 18:42.17 | Kjikaqawej | his pcm is up at 100 |
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| 18:42.21 | dondelelcaro | Tarraq: I personally just rsync the slave zone subscriptions, and do zone transfers for everything else |
| 18:42.22 | davis | i just built a new 2.6.22 kernel and now I don't see devfs. What happened to it? |
| 18:42.23 | stoned | he ust just 0 |
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| 18:42.27 | davis | i used ot use devfs. |
| 18:42.28 | stoned | just said* |
| 18:42.29 | dondelelcaro | Tarraq: so there's really no need for helper scripts |
| 18:42.29 | davis | i just built a new 2.6.22 kernel and now I don't see devfs. What happened to it? |
| 18:42.35 | Kjikaqawej | for master |
| 18:42.43 | zskdan | PCM at 100% but MASTER at 0% |
| 18:42.59 | abrotman | so turn up master |
| 18:43.00 | stoned | turn both to 100% |
| 18:43.11 | MangosDebian | grrrrr |
| 18:43.14 | blubberdiblub | well, he said he is not able to do so ;P |
| 18:43.14 | stoned | MangosDebian: calm yourself |
| 18:43.23 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: that random seed does something totally different |
| 18:43.23 | abrotman | MangosDebian: submit a patch if you can do it better :) |
| 18:43.24 | stoned | MangosDebian: i felt like killing random people after having tried ubuntu |
| 18:43.26 | MangosDebian | does anyone know wtf security means in a ssl cert?! |
| 18:43.26 | stoned | it can't be that bad |
| 18:43.34 | MangosDebian | stoned: that bad huh? :) |
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| 18:43.40 | stoned | it got pretty bad man |
| 18:43.41 | stoned | hehe |
| 18:43.53 | MangosDebian | abrotman: well /dev/random would have been a start lol. |
| 18:43.53 | Tarraq | dondelelcaro>> so basically copy the config files? I never set up a dns from scratch :) |
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| 18:44.22 | zskdan | stoned : i can't the master don't change !! |
| 18:44.23 | dondelelcaro | Tarraq: wait, you aren't running the primary? |
| 18:44.24 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: in gnome ? |
| 18:44.28 | MangosDebian | abrotman: i only got suspicious after a 2048bit key in gpg takes a few minutes in gpg to gather entropy vs. 1.5seconds in openssl :/ |
| 18:44.31 | Azar | hello mister stoned |
| 18:44.31 | stoned | oh boy |
| 18:44.35 | Kjikaqawej | that's why i said i HNFC |
| 18:44.39 | stoned | hi Azar brother man |
| 18:44.45 | Azar | :) |
| 18:44.46 | Tarraq | dondelelcaro>> I am, but through plesk (on debian) |
| 18:45.01 | blubberdiblub | abrotman: hmm, alsamixer is a console proggy. it works fine as long as the drivers work fine, at least for me ;) |
| 18:45.14 | abrotman | linux-sound-base ? |
| 18:45.22 | stoned | this kosher meat might be cleaner, but the chinese food doesn't taste all that great |
| 18:45.41 | Azar | stoned: I prefer thai |
| 18:45.49 | stoned | i prefer food when im hungry |
| 18:45.50 | stoned | :) |
| 18:45.50 | dondelelcaro | Tarraq: ok, well, it should be generating zone files and the configuration files for bind; you just need to generate equivalent ones for the slave zones, and zone transfer everything |
| 18:45.53 | blubberdiblub | abrotman: no, alsa-utils |
| 18:46.03 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: i meant .. install it .. reconfigure it ? |
| 18:46.21 | darth_chatri | how do i make sure that acpi scripts are working? |
| 18:46.27 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: well, it still seems to be the primer for urandom for openssl. not much security for a cert if you get ahold of the .rnd and know the prng formula now is it. although if you say other wise I would sure like to hear it |
| 18:46.28 | Tarraq | dondelelcaro>> okay :) I'll look into it ;) thought along the lines of "Backupninja" for dns :) |
| 18:46.33 | blubberdiblub | abrotman: zskdan is having the problem ;) |
| 18:46.39 | Azar | stoned: the new 3.4.3 openbox kicksass |
| 18:46.48 | darth_chatri | i put a 'touch' in /etc/acpi/lid.sh, didnt seem to work |
| 18:46.56 | stoned | Azar: how so, whats new? link me? |
| 18:47.03 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: too bad for him! .. my sound works fine |
| 18:47.12 | stew | darth_chatri: you would have to put something into /etc/acpi/events to trigger that script |
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| 18:47.18 | stoned | im kinda gettin tired of kde these days |
| 18:47.18 | blubberdiblub | yeah, mine too |
| 18:47.33 | stew | darth_chatri: there should already be some files in there to give you an idea |
| 18:47.34 | Azar | stoned: http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Openbox:News#Openbox_3.4.3_and_ObConf_2.0.2_released |
| 18:47.45 | stoned | hi stew |
| 18:47.45 | darth_chatri | stew: i installed acpi-support package, that put some files in the event directory |
| 18:47.48 | stoned | Azar: ok |
| 18:47.51 | stew | aloha |
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| 18:47.54 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: oh, you're talking about openssl. In that case, I actually haven't seen it generating .rnd files |
| 18:48.03 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: thought for a second you were talking about ssh's random seed |
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| 18:48.24 | stew | darth_chatri: do any of the files in that directory have "action=/etc/acpi/lid.sh"? |
| 18:48.28 | stoned | stew: I might come to the city tonight |
| 18:48.33 | dondelelcaro | !self-signed ssl cert |
| 18:48.34 | stoned | what are you upto? |
| 18:48.34 | dpkg | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; |
| 18:48.42 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: ya openssl cert practice. but it uses ~/.rnd (configurable via $RANDFILE though) as the seed to prime urandom. thus not very secure compared to /dev/random imho |
| 18:48.44 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: the above for example does not generate one |
| 18:48.52 | SamuraiDio | i need the -distort option of the imagemagick convert, but it seens that does not exist on even debian unstable... |
| 18:48.57 | stew | stoned: no, idea, but the chances of me leaving my neighborhood are slim |
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| 18:49.14 | darth_chatri | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.40 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: ill just have to dig up the init.d script .rnd part and see just how they prime the .rnd and remake one myself I guess using other means for openssl *shrug* |
| 18:49.45 | stew | darth_chatri: does /var/log/acpid show tha event firing? |
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| 18:50.06 | Azar | anyone happy with the new linux 2.4.35? :) |
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| 18:50.13 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: you just use -rand on the command line to genrsa or gendsa |
| 18:50.45 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: it still seems to use /dev/urandom + seed from ~/.rnd though when I tried -rand tests as well |
| 18:50.50 | MangosDebian | (strace) |
| 18:51.02 | darth_chatri | stew: no, doesnt seem like it |
| 18:51.04 | infernix | anyone using that new CFS scheduler patch? I'm wondering if it also improves the IO scheduler |
| 18:51.04 | DawnLight | hello friends. can i convert an NTFS to ext3? |
| 18:51.34 | stoned | stew: spent last weekend with rahul, got drunk after 6 months :D Let me know if you wanna catch a drink tonight or tomorrow |
| 18:51.47 | SamuraiDio | DawnLight, yes, jut format it |
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| 18:52.01 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: using what command? genrsa? |
| 18:52.04 | SamuraiDio | DawnLight, off course, you will lose your data |
| 18:52.12 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: it's definetly not looking at ~/.rnd here. |
| 18:52.16 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: genrsa and rand <num> |
| 18:52.26 | zskdan | so any idea ?? |
| 18:52.30 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: what's the exact command you're running? |
| 18:52.31 | darth_chatri | stew: i assumed that was happening because the klaptop thing was working |
| 18:52.39 | abrotman | DawnLight: not without losing your data .. you'd have to back it up first |
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| 18:52.59 | blubberdiblub | zskdan: well, it sounds like a driver problem ... have you tried the options to the driver module, if it provides any? |
| 18:53.23 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: ya, openssl rand -out file.test 10 (strace shows ~/.rnd + /dev/urandom) |
| 18:53.25 | blubberdiblub | (apart from the common ones) |
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| 18:54.08 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: use the -rand option |
| 18:54.10 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: same thing with any of the genrsa etc. started off using CA.sh -newcert and a 2048bit key takes < 1 sec to gen, strace shows same |
| 18:54.13 | xand | MangosDebian: hi. |
| 18:54.16 | xand | </belated> |
| 18:54.19 | zskdan | blubberdiblub: ptions like what ?? |
| 18:54.20 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: not openssl rand |
| 18:54.22 | MangosDebian | xand: heh, heya |
| 18:54.32 | zskdan | blubberdiblub: options like what ?? |
| 18:54.39 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: your suggesting genrsa -rand? |
| 18:54.41 | MangosDebian | sec |
| 18:54.44 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: yes. |
| 18:54.51 | DawnLight | i don't have enough free space on my HDD to move some files, shrink it, enlarge the ext3 and repeat until there's nothing left on the ntfs |
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| 18:54.57 | dondelelcaro | specifically, openssl genrsa -rand /dev/random -out temp.rsa; or similar. |
| 18:55.08 | blubberdiblub | zskdan: well, query the module: modinfo nameofyourmodule |
| 18:55.57 | dondelelcaro | 'course, since most people don't have passwords on their ssl keys, it's not like storing the random number seed anywhere does anything terribly exciting |
| 18:56.03 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: ahh yup, -rand /dev/random works fine. thanks |
| 18:56.15 | {cyborg} | Hi, I can't find the nvidia-kernel package (the non-legacy one) in lenny ? I have contrib and non-free enabled. Any clue ? |
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| 18:56.53 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: well, i figure if im gonna play with cert's and crypto, I might as well Do it the right way (tm) |
| 18:57.20 | dondelelcaro | you'll still have to kill .rnd after you're done, but 'cest la vie. |
| 18:57.32 | MangosDebian | heaven forbid I setup crypto/ipsec/etc for some business and make it weaker than xor security cause im clueless :) |
| 18:57.57 | scruffy | I have some mp3 files which play in mpd, but `file` says the file format is simply 'data'. `strings` spits back nothing at all. Is there a way to determine which one of mp3, flac, or ogg it actually is? |
| 18:58.03 | MangosDebian | almost think i should sym link .rnd to dev null as well :/ /me ponders |
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| 19:00.33 | {cyborg} | Does anyone know where the nvidia-kernel-source package has gone in lenny ? It seems it's been removed as well as the binary version... |
| 19:00.34 | stoned | !seen azar |
| 19:00.34 | dpkg | azar <i=macondo@h-66-166-120-11.lsanca54.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 10m 28s ago, saying: 'anyone happy with the new linux 2.4.35? :)'. |
| 19:00.38 | stoned | danbig |
| 19:00.38 | dondelelcaro | what probably is done too is the seed goes into the PRNG and then the output is written back to .rnd |
| 19:01.06 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: so .rnd is the current state vector of the PRNG, not the state of the PRNG when it generated the key |
| 19:01.32 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: and unless the PRNG is horribly crappy, you can't use the state vector to know the previous state |
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| 19:02.48 | blubberdiblub | zskdan: the module seems to have 3 options that i suspect might be used to work around problems. model, position_fix and enable_msi |
| 19:03.08 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: hmm, only seeing a read on .rnd. but im pretty sure the current seed is saved to .rnd on shutdown to preserve on reboot. guess removing .rnd would be worse for security though |
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| 19:04.03 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: as for determining the previous state, it would require knowing how many bits were read from urandom previously and the algo used I would imagine. |
| 19:04.15 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: nope |
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| 19:04.26 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: the whole point of a PRNG is that it is one directional |
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| 19:04.56 | dondelelcaro | the current state of an PRNG should not enable you determine (save by brute force) the previous state |
| 19:05.08 | MangosDebian | how so? |
| 19:05.11 | zskdan | blubberdiblub : so what i have to do ?? |
| 19:06.03 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_hash_function |
| 19:06.11 | karsten | So, that host I hoped to kill yesteerday, not done yet. But I wanted to thank whomever suggested ramdisk. |
| 19:06.14 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: well, I guess you would also need to know all the variables in kernel for the algo used, but I would assume that random uses interrupts/time/etc where as urandom is purely software based |
| 19:06.35 | MangosDebian | bah, i hate typing those in :( |
| 19:07.07 | blubberdiblub | zskdan: first, remove the module from the kernel with "modprobe -r snd_hda_intel" (or whatever it is called, see "lsmod"), and then "modprobe snd_hda_intel enable_msi=1" for example, to try one of the options (check the modinfo or the source for possible arguments) |
| 19:07.33 | karsten | MangosDebian: IIUC urandom uses real entropy if it can get it, fake entropy (eg: pseudorandom values) if the entropy pool is depleted. |
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| 19:08.05 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: even knowing the exact algorithm shouldn't enable you to reverse it |
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| 19:08.15 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: think about MD5 for an example. |
| 19:10.18 | MangosDebian | karsten: thats what i figured. good to confirm, ty |
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| 19:11.12 | karsten | MangosDebian: Read the source, Lude. |
| 19:11.17 | Kjikaqawej | karsten: O_O <- i do that because there's no bigger O than that without resorting to ascii art |
| 19:11.18 | karsten | s/Lude/Luke/ |
| 19:11.26 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 19:11.29 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: I suppose its fine. mainly it was the urandom that was concerning. although i will always be of the belief that its _more_ secure to remove any seed files used regardless |
| 19:11.36 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 19:11.48 | MangosDebian | karsten: oh god, if I did that for everything I would still be reading the d-i source :) |
| 19:11.50 | dondelelcaro | well, the basic idea is not to throw away perfectly good entropy |
| 19:12.00 | karsten | Kjikaqawej: I've still got 6-10 GB free. Looking for ways to cut into that. |
| 19:12.02 | Kjikaqawej | kwe kwe, Pji'lasi |
| 19:12.26 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: since entropy gets sprinked back through urandom fairly quickly it shouldn't be that bad |
| 19:12.26 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: aye |
| 19:12.29 | karsten | MangosDebian: There's actually some decent descriptions of the urandom methodology in kernel sources IIRC. And it's more trustworthy than I am. |
| 19:12.42 | dondelelcaro | yeah; reading random.c is a really good diea |
| 19:12.43 | abrotman | shocker! |
| 19:12.45 | dondelelcaro | s/di/id/ |
| 19:12.55 | karsten | abrotman: ? |
| 19:13.15 | MangosDebian | karsten: actually, i think thats where I got my initial ideas about the interrupts and such used for random and what entropy is. but its been a while for sure |
| 19:13.16 | Kjikaqawej | at least you know what you have in front of you or wherever it is |
| 19:13.19 | {cyborg} | q |
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| 19:13.36 | MangosDebian | Kjikaqawej: have you unignored me yet or what? :p |
| 19:13.45 | Kjikaqawej | some people have 64 b machines with 4 gb ram who do just email and web browse... |
| 19:13.51 | zskdan | blubberdiblub : no change !! |
| 19:13.59 | zskdan | blubberdiblub : :( !! |
| 19:14.04 | abrotman | !! |
| 19:14.04 | dpkg | I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 19:14.06 | Ronin | Kjikaqawej: yep we have a lot high powered email checkers here at work as well |
| 19:14.18 | abrotman | Ronin: extra heating for the office eh ? :) |
| 19:14.38 | Kjikaqawej | Ronin: send one of those over? ;) |
| 19:14.40 | Ronin | abrotman: yep, not that we need it in this 40c temps |
| 19:14.46 | abrotman | 40c? no way |
| 19:14.54 | abrotman | it's not even near that hot here today |
| 19:14.59 | Ronin | 32 without the humidex |
| 19:15.02 | Kjikaqawej | shipping shouldn't be a lot from TO |
| 19:15.04 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:15.20 | abrotman | it's still not that hot here |
| 19:15.34 | Kjikaqawej | really? |
| 19:15.46 | MangosDebian | bah, whats a guy gotta do to get simon's attn these days |
| 19:15.46 | blubberdiblub | zskdan: have you tried setting the model parameter? i don't know what arguments it expects, tho. |
| 19:15.47 | abrotman | it's 31ish or so today |
| 19:16.00 | Ronin | MangosDebian: i find cash always works |
| 19:16.04 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 19:16.16 | zskdan | blubberdiblub : this is the output of my alsa-info.sh : http://pastebin.ca/636256 !! |
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| 19:16.24 | Kjikaqawej | philly... you're like south of me, shouldn't you be getting the heat we're getting? |
| 19:16.25 | roooman | i have installed new kernel and after doing make install, i entered to /boot/grub/menu.lst and changed the kernel to the new one, but now when i boot it say that it cant load the root vfs and i get kernel panaic, even if inside grub i do edit and tell it to load the older kernel it unable to load the vfs, what can i do? |
| 19:16.25 | MangosDebian | Ronin: mind helping a buddy out for a sec? :) |
| 19:17.03 | Ronin | always help out friends, just dont see any right now ;) |
| 19:17.09 | MangosDebian | lol |
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| 19:17.15 | Ronin | actually im almost out of here, work day is almost done |
| 19:17.32 | MangosDebian | bah, i hate /nick spamming for no reason :/ |
| 19:17.58 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: i wish |
| 19:18.25 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: MangosDebian would like to send you some good lovin .. but you've got him on ignore |
| 19:18.28 | abrotman | MangosDebian: good enough ? |
| 19:18.32 | MangosDebian | abrotman: thanks |
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| 19:18.54 | MangosDebian | no wonder why he missed the /nick change other day :/ |
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| 19:20.18 | Kjikaqawej | not anymore |
| 19:20.22 | MangosDebian | Kjikaqawej: test? |
| 19:20.28 | Kjikaqawej | test failed ;p |
| 19:20.30 | MangosDebian | lol |
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| 19:21.06 | MangosDebian | Kjikaqawej: well, that explains alot lol. heya :) |
| 19:21.16 | Kjikaqawej | hi |
| 19:21.48 | MangosDebian | abrotman: wow open source server clone. helpin out for a bit and didnt feel like being bothered. now nobody knows me unless Im a Mangos :/ |
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| 19:22.40 | abrotman | MangosDebian: ? |
| 19:22.44 | MangosDebian | Kjikaqawej: was wondering why you werent all over the nick change the other day lol. I think I know the day you ignored me though. I knew the real simon would never do such a thing :) |
| 19:22.50 | K`zan | Hi Folks, is there some way to install KDE to begin with and not have to get gnome? |
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| 19:23.09 | abrotman | K`zan: don't use tasksel .. then aptitude install kde xorg kdm |
| 19:23.10 | blubberdiblub | zskdan: well, looks like the master control isn't supposed to be adjusted between levels. it's just for turning the sound on/off globally. the problem might possibly not be mixing related then |
| 19:23.17 | MangosDebian | abrotman: never heard of Mangos? world of warcraft server clone (ie: free wow) |
| 19:23.27 | abrotman | MangosDebian: no .. |
| 19:23.55 | MangosDebian | abrotman: well, can't say many people in linux would play something like WoW though. Now you know |
| 19:24.15 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 19:24.39 | HardDisk_WP | how can I use the Logitech Quickcam4notebooks pro (ID 046d:c20b) under linux? |
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| 19:24.49 | MangosDebian | Kjikaqawej: I think peterS and a few others caught it though. that'll teach you to ignore me :p |
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| 19:25.24 | K`zan | abrotman: Thanks, I think I know what you mean :-). |
| 19:25.24 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i don't really play PC games anymore |
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| 19:25.34 | abrotman | K`zan: okay! |
| 19:25.57 | K`zan | abrotman: Welcome to the club, I've got xp64 for flightsim, but I have lost interest in it because I got to boot wincrap to do it :-). |
| 19:26.17 | MangosDebian | abrotman: ya. it slowly wore off on me as well. But i did have fun in a large project (compiling/db/etc) sense playing with it. |
| 19:26.49 | pringat | After an update gnome does not automount any more. any idea about what/where to check? thx (lenny, ppc) |
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| 19:27.10 | K`zan | abrotman: Playing with deb 4 in vmware as I am looking for something to get rid of ubuntu and deb 4 was not only recommended but looks good so far! Ubuntu is flakey as hell. |
| 19:27.31 | K`zan | Getting the install right before I take it to the HD. |
| 19:27.34 | xand | o.o |
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| 19:29.30 | MangosDebian | robboplus: hey, how goes the fruity server? :) |
| 19:30.52 | abrotman | K`zan: there are flight sims for linux .. dunno how good they are |
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| 19:31.10 | Kjikaqawej | don't run them on 128 MB RAM ;) |
| 19:31.11 | abrotman | K`zan: i've heard that .. but i don't use it |
| 19:31.24 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: yeah .. planes don't fly so well on 128MB RAM |
| 19:31.33 | MangosDebian | abrotman: they still have free tuxracer? now that was a good gl test from what I remember |
| 19:31.42 | abrotman | i think so |
| 19:31.52 | MangosDebian | Kjikaqawej: you still all PPC? |
| 19:32.02 | asg | abrotman: bzflag |
| 19:32.10 | Kjikaqawej | did that once before i put more ram in this thing.... as you can imagine load skyrocketed in seconds |
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| 19:32.46 | Kjikaqawej | asg: that's not a flight sim ;) |
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| 19:34.33 | asg | Kjikaqawej: neither is tuxracer |
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| 19:34.53 | Kjikaqawej | no, but both you can make the buggers fly |
| 19:35.00 | MangosDebian | asg: i don't know, tuxracer practically is a flight sim with the hang time you can get in it :) |
| 19:35.19 | asg | MangosDebian: iirc, there are jumping tank powerups in bzflag |
| 19:35.26 | Kjikaqawej | though it's ppracer now |
| 19:35.39 | MangosDebian | they renamed it? |
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| 19:36.19 | MangosDebian | ahh, planetpenguin-racer :/ |
| 19:36.45 | zskdan | blubberdiblub: yeah so what i supposed to do ?? |
| 19:37.20 | blubberdiblub | zskdan: sorry, i'm out of ideas |
| 19:37.33 | Kjikaqawej | zskdan: i suggest google |
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| 19:39.49 | zskdan | Kjikaqawej : i already googled but no luck :( |
| 19:39.52 | K`zan | abrotman: :-) I'm about not to be. Ordered a new HD to install deb on. My major distro reference source described ubuntu as the distro with ADD :-). |
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| 19:40.57 | K`zan | abrotman: All the FSs that you can run in linux are a long way from m$fs, but X-Plane is decent and FGFS is getting there and already better in some ways, just not in the eye candy department (eye candy is about all m$ does well :-). |
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| 19:41.26 | Kjikaqawej | zskdan: did you try something like (no quotes): 'intel hda sound debian' ? |
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| 19:41.33 | palestinian | reinstalled |
| 19:41.36 | palestinian | :-) |
| 19:41.43 | susam | even beryl and compiz are eye-candy. |
| 19:41.56 | palestinian | now can u help me to reinstall the ipw3945 again? |
| 19:41.58 | Kjikaqawej | K`zan: and that not that well |
| 19:41.58 | zinx | 'even'? |
| 19:42.14 | zinx | beryl/compiz are designed exclusively to be eye-candy :/ |
| 19:42.22 | abrotman | K`zan: yeah .. i haven't tried any in awhile |
| 19:42.38 | xand | susam: "even"? haha |
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| 19:42.53 | Kjikaqawej | nothing but eye candy |
| 19:43.13 | susam | well I added the "even" after reading "eye candy is about all m$ does well" |
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| 19:43.33 | palestinian | eh... |
| 19:43.33 | pingouin | someone can lead me to help for options to select when configuring a new kernel, for a core2duo ? please |
| 19:43.46 | susam | may be "even" is the wrong usage of the word in this sentence. |
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| 19:46.14 | palestinian | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.15 | palestinian | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.19 | palestinian | i mean,they r stables |
| 19:46.20 | palestinian | right? |
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| 19:46.38 | palestinian | because before I fucked my system with unstables |
| 19:46.43 | Kjikaqawej | yes that's current stable |
| 19:47.02 | Kjikaqawej | you'll want security too |
| 19:47.07 | Kjikaqawej | !security |
| 19:47.07 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
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| 19:47.23 | palestinian | thnx |
| 19:47.33 | massctrl | hi, i'm running debian etch with 2 ide disks in raid1 with mdadm, When these disks are resyncing the whole system becomes abnormally slow. This has nothing to do with the max/min sync speed though. Is this a known problem, ...? |
| 19:47.49 | Kjikaqawej | palestinian: that "stable/updates" can also be "etch/updates" |
| 19:48.29 | diafic | IRC needs underline damnit [Citation needed] |
| 19:48.41 | Kjikaqawej | massctrl: i've had that happen between reboots, though not often, and only intermittently |
| 19:48.43 | stew | !security =~ s#If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security## |
| 19:48.43 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 19:48.57 | Kjikaqawej | stew: thanks, was about to do something like that |
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| 19:49.12 | Kjikaqawej | diafic: _underlined_ in irssi |
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| 19:49.23 | jeward | Anybody put debian on the PS3 yet? |
| 19:49.34 | diafic | Kjikaqawej, not in xchat :/ |
| 19:49.39 | diafic | jeward, its only time |
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| 19:51.08 | humbolto | how can I find out, if any of my users are using evolution? is there a specific gconf key or some config file I could grep or search for? |
| 19:51.18 | massctrl | Kjikeqawej: well, it appears to be a dma problem on my proliant server, strange strange,.... |
| 19:51.38 | massctrl | Kjikaqawej that is |
| 19:51.42 | Kjikaqawej | massctrl: yeh, figures something like that |
| 19:52.19 | massctrl | Kjikaqawej: strange though why enabling dma is such a problem for my proliant running debian,.... |
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| 19:52.27 | massctrl | Kjikaqawej: latest bios though |
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| 19:52.43 | Kjikaqawej | dunno them much |
| 19:53.00 | palestinian | the website of my university was designed only for internet explorer 6, no 7 and not explorers for linux |
| 19:53.45 | xand | palestinian: sounds crap then |
| 19:53.54 | diafic | [citation needed] |
| 19:53.56 | diafic | sorry |
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| 19:56.27 | unlink | where does Squirrelmail store its per-user settings? |
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| 19:58.26 | dondelelcaro | probably /var/lib/squirrelmail if it's sane |
| 19:58.37 | palestinian | I have not sound but my sound card was detected |
| 19:58.42 | palestinian | by alsa |
| 19:58.43 | dondelelcaro | but possibly somewhere else if it's configurable |
| 19:58.59 | palestinian | and the mixers are configured |
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| 19:59.42 | dondelelcaro | palestinian: are you playing to the proper device? are all the levels unmuted and elevated? |
| 20:00.13 | palestinian | dondelelcaro, proper device?,dont know,the alsa detected it ok, and the levels are unmuted,yes |
| 20:00.31 | dondelelcaro | palestinian: how are you checking that sound is working, then? |
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| 20:00.44 | palestinian | dondelelcaro, with youtube |
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| 20:01.10 | Kjikaqawej | palestinian: what browser? |
| 20:01.25 | palestinian | iceweasel |
| 20:01.40 | Kjikaqawej | sound is disabled by default in iceweasel |
| 20:01.44 | palestinian | shit |
| 20:01.48 | palestinian | thnx :-) |
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| 20:02.31 | Kjikaqawej | np |
| 20:03.07 | daqqal | whos up for a moose lip omelet? |
| 20:03.24 | palestinian | Kjikaqawej, u know how to enable it? |
| 20:04.21 | Kjikaqawej | yeh, but it makes it very unstable |
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| 20:04.59 | Kjikaqawej | daqqal: moose lip? hmm |
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| 20:05.20 | palestinian | ah,ok |
| 20:05.27 | Kjikaqawej | i just ate buffalo burger with salsa |
| 20:05.55 | palestinian | and the sound with firefox works ok? |
| 20:06.04 | daqqal | perhaps another time then aye Kjikaqawej |
| 20:06.07 | Kjikaqawej | palestinian: use another browser like galeon or something that has working sound |
| 20:06.14 | Kjikaqawej | daqqal: for sure |
| 20:06.15 | palestinian | ok |
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| 20:06.38 | Kjikaqawej | palestinian: they're basically the same browser, ff and iceweasel |
| 20:07.09 | dondelelcaro | palestinian: or just do sometthing like cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp0; |
| 20:07.20 | palestinian | can i download it with aptitude while im updating it? |
| 20:07.38 | palestinian | dondelelcaro, for what its that command? |
| 20:08.03 | dondelelcaro | palestinian: making annoying noise with your sound card |
| 20:08.25 | Kjikaqawej | something like a loud "pffffrsssch" |
| 20:08.43 | unix_infidel | what's a good price for a spindle of mid-range cd-r's nowadays? |
| 20:08.45 | palestinian | dondelelcaro, but ill get the browser unstable |
| 20:08.48 | unix_infidel | 100pk |
| 20:09.32 | abrotman | unix_infidel: ask google .. not #debian |
| 20:09.45 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: or just try newegg.com |
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| 20:12.32 | databuddy | forgive the ins and outs - tracking down some issues with X ;) |
| 20:12.48 | dondelelcaro | databuddy: screen is your friend! |
| 20:13.32 | databuddy | dondelelcaro: er - rite then i gotta install irssi :P |
| 20:13.46 | databuddy | will do on next restart, sorry dondelelcaro |
| 20:14.08 | dondelelcaro | databuddy: heh |
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| 20:15.24 | databuddy | my metacity --replace isnt working very well :P |
| 20:15.29 | palestinian | I downloaded a mp3 and still have not sound |
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| 20:16.17 | Rabieres | how do I set a new date with date --set command? |
| 20:16.19 | Rabieres | I always get an error |
| 20:16.26 | SoulChild | Is there a way to delete the downloaded package information?I mean that info, that's being downlaoded, when i type "apt-get update" |
| 20:16.28 | databuddy | palestinian: rule 0 check cords and cables. rule 1 check alsamixer |
| 20:16.30 | susam | rabieres, what do you try and wht error do you get? |
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| 20:17.16 | Rabieres | date --set 27.7.2007 22:15:15 |
| 20:17.46 | roooman | i have installed new kernel and after doing make install, i entered to /boot/grub/menu.lst and changed the kernel to the new one, but now when i boot it say that it cant load the root vfs and i get kernel panaic, what can i do? |
| 20:18.11 | dondelelcaro | roooman: you probably didn't build in modules you needed |
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| 20:18.33 | Rabieres | what am i doing wrong'? |
| 20:18.35 | roooman | dondelelcaro, i bulided all what i had to build... |
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| 20:18.52 | abrotman | SoulChild: why would you want to ? |
| 20:19.00 | susam | date --set 27.7.2007 22:15:15 |
| 20:19.01 | susam | sorry |
| 20:19.03 | susam | try this: date --set "27 July 2007 22:15:15" |
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| 20:19.13 | qrck | hi all, when i start apt-get update it's download methods block other file io's ? |
| 20:19.17 | susam | rabieres, the format you have specified the date in is not recognized |
| 20:19.20 | SoulChild | abrotman: cause i am doing a system backup and want to remove them, to shrink package size |
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| 20:19.33 | qrck | cause all else stalls here |
| 20:19.48 | dondelelcaro | roooman: well, not being able to mount the root filesystem is generally one of a few things 1) wrong root filesystem specified 2) drivers for controller not built 3) drivers for root filesystem not built |
| 20:19.55 | Rabieres | thx |
| 20:20.25 | qrck | i hope it's not just hdd performance sucking or speed |
| 20:20.49 | abrotman | SoulChild: they aren't that big |
| 20:21.12 | SoulChild | abrotman: so it's not worth it ? |
| 20:21.27 | abrotman | SoulChild: check for yourself |
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| 20:22.23 | SoulChild | abrotman: but u still didn't tell me how to delete them (ot where theys are) |
| 20:22.23 | pingouin | when using 'make' with a core2duo, is this the option -j to make it work on both cpu ? |
| 20:22.28 | pingouin | like make -j 2 ? |
| 20:23.15 | TrueDD | re |
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| 20:24.14 | abrotman | SoulChild: do you mean aptitude update or upgrade ? |
| 20:24.30 | SoulChild | update |
| 20:25.01 | abrotman | /var/lib/apt/lists .. but it's not big .. maybe 20-25MB |
| 20:25.20 | abrotman | and i hsould hope you know how to delete a file |
| 20:25.25 | SoulChild | since my backup file is 300 MB i am watching to save each MB ;) |
| 20:25.30 | SoulChild | abrotman: thanks you |
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| 20:25.48 | abrotman | SoulChild: then find a better way to backup then just dumping all of /var/ on your tape |
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| 20:27.10 | SoulChild | abrotman: sorry i didn't understand |
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| 20:29.08 | abrotman | SoulChild: what are you backing up to that is only 300MB ? |
| 20:29.23 | abrotman | Colorado drive ? |
| 20:29.25 | SoulChild | abrotman: my whole system ;) |
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| 20:30.06 | HardDisk_WP | how do I install a AAC encoder which is usable by FFmpeg?? |
| 20:30.15 | HardDisk_WP | I llose my nerves with this crap soon. |
| 20:30.45 | SoulChild | abrotman: just have basics installed,.. not the whole gnome desktop and packing everything except dev,sys,proc,mnt,,... my system takes 1000 MB on my HD |
| 20:31.00 | abrotman | SoulChild: that's nice .. what device are you backing up to that is 300MB ? |
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| 20:32.18 | SoulChild | abrotman: ??? i just said,.. i pack everything using tar except the automaticlly generated files and folders |
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| 20:32.56 | SoulChild | abrotman: what do u mean with device ? i have an IDE Harddrive and pack everything on my USB stick ,... |
| 20:33.00 | semprix | are we allowed to copy debians logo for t-shirts and other swags? |
| 20:33.01 | stoned | don't do that |
| 20:33.09 | Thursley | is there a way to find out what caused a beep from my pc speaker a few minutes ago? check logs and things but can't find anything |
| 20:33.11 | stoned | semprix: I print debian tshirts and I sell em |
| 20:33.16 | stoned | sue me if you want |
| 20:33.19 | stoned | but I don't care |
| 20:33.24 | semprix | lol |
| 20:33.26 | semprix | really? |
| 20:33.26 | stoned | I also print stickers |
| 20:33.30 | semprix | yeah |
| 20:33.36 | stoned | I'm not making money off of it |
| 20:33.40 | stoned | just barely enough to cover my costs |
| 20:33.48 | stoned | debian tshirts are cool man |
| 20:33.55 | abrotman | semprix: http://www.us.debian.org/logos/ |
| 20:33.55 | semprix | im thinking of stickers and mugs |
| 20:34.03 | stoned | i can't do mugs |
| 20:34.07 | stoned | home based |
| 20:34.08 | stoned | :D |
| 20:34.08 | stew | semprix: you can use the open logo but not the official logo |
| 20:34.17 | abrotman | semprix: you can use the swirl .. but not the genie |
| 20:34.29 | palestinian | databuddy, the alsamixer is ok, what u mean with cord/ |
| 20:34.39 | palestinian | cords |
| 20:34.46 | stoned | stew: hey man how can I find out which one I'm using |
| 20:34.52 | stoned | I use a few logos |
| 20:35.02 | semprix | ohh ok thats good to know :) |
| 20:35.05 | stoned | some I modify myself, different colors and differet swirls |
| 20:35.12 | stew | stoned: http://debian.org/logos |
| 20:35.14 | stoned | I haven't used an official red logo |
| 20:35.17 | stoned | cool thanks |
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| 20:36.13 | stoned | alright alright |
| 20:36.15 | stoned | I'm safe |
| 20:36.22 | stoned | word and stuff. :D |
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| 20:37.12 | semprix | :) |
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| 20:37.40 | stoned | I think i'll make a huge sticker for my skateboard |
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| 20:38.13 | stoned | maybe cut out some cardboard and put some swirly debian stuff on my griptape |
| 20:38.23 | explody | anyone have any idea why netbase depends on inet-superserver, and why xinetd doesn't provide it? |
| 20:38.29 | stoned | I got rust colored grip tape, I think golden/black debian swirly would look nice |
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| 20:39.31 | somian[0] | Well, rebooting Debian fixed up my samba client problems, apparently. |
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| 20:40.08 | stoned | somian[0]: just a guess, but you could've probably restarted just samba itself |
| 20:40.13 | stoned | argh. |
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| 20:40.47 | NightOath | Ive just done a new install on my laptop and noticed that gdm, which i want to continue using, bypasses .xinitrc, is this a feature or a bug? If a feature how do i issue commands on startup using gdm |
| 20:41.23 | stew | NightOath: it uses .xsession not .xinitrc, you can just symlink the two together if you wish |
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| 20:41.39 | NightOath | stew: thankyou |
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| 20:41.49 | ANGRY_MIKE | HY |
| 20:41.52 | Steve1973 | HI |
| 20:42.02 | Steve1973 | WHER U GET FRE DEBIAN??? |
| 20:42.08 | ANGRY_MIKE | THE INTERNETS |
| 20:42.15 | Steve1973 | CUZ I NED NEW WINDOWZ N I DUN WAN PAY 4 DEBIAN |
| 20:42.16 | ANGRY_MIKE | WWW.LIMEWIRE.COM |
| 20:42.17 | Aim_Here | debian.org is the place for free debian |
| 20:42.22 | ANGRY_MIKE | U GET EVERYTHIN FOR FREE THERE LOL |
| 20:42.24 | abrotman | !ops |
| 20:42.24 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg, tomaw: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 20:42.26 | Steve1973 | I CHEK LIMEWIRE N IT NOT HABE:(:( |
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| 20:42.28 | ANGRY_MIKE | OH SHI-0- |
| 20:42.29 | abrotman | grrr |
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| 20:42.53 | Aim_Here | WHERE R TEH EXPENSIV DEBIAN? |
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| 20:43.00 | tomaw | Who made me the only op summoned by that? |
| 20:43.17 | abrotman | are you an op here ? |
| 20:43.23 | stew | tomaw: summoned by what? |
| 20:43.27 | abrotman | !ops |
| 20:43.27 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 20:43.31 | abrotman | that's odd |
| 20:43.36 | stew | oh |
| 20:43.42 | tomaw | odd |
| 20:43.44 | abrotman | oh .. someone messed with the factoid |
| 20:43.53 | stew | !factinfo cmd: ops (.*?) |
| 20:43.53 | dpkg | cmd: ops (.*?) -- created by streuner <i=foobar@p54A5D6E8.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Aug 25 21:42:11 2005 (700 days); it has been requested 1377 times, last by abrotman, 1d 7h 10m 59s ago. |
| 20:44.23 | tomaw | ta :) |
| 20:45.05 | abrotman | !ops |
| 20:45.06 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 20:45.07 | abrotman | better ? |
| 20:45.23 | stew | abrotman: yes, thanks |
| 20:45.31 | abrotman | tomaw: you're not even an op here .. how'd that happen ? |
| 20:45.44 | tomaw | abrotman: I banned a spammer (I am freenode staff) |
| 20:45.54 | stoned | 15 min till i go home |
| 20:46.01 | stoned | the longest wait i tell ya |
| 20:46.07 | abrotman | i see you're staff .. but that's still not a reason to include you in !ops .. but whatever |
| 20:46.09 | capiira | hmm what is the default debian shell ? |
| 20:46.14 | abrotman | bash |
| 20:46.15 | stoned | bash |
| 20:46.17 | capiira | thx :) |
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| 20:46.21 | tomaw | abrotman: indeed, not sure why I was added |
| 20:46.37 | stoned | you can also install the 'stoned shell' if you pay me |
| 20:46.38 | abrotman | harrassment! |
| 20:46.43 | stoned | ahem |
| 20:46.51 | dusk | debian |
| 20:47.05 | stoned | dusk: yes, this is debian |
| 20:47.14 | dusk | hi debian |
| 20:47.18 | abrotman | hi |
| 20:48.04 | L0cKn | :p |
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| 20:50.40 | Tarraq | Evenin' :) Odd question, but any nice general chat channel I should know of? :) |
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| 20:51.27 | abrotman | Tarraq: there's a freenode social channel |
| 20:51.36 | stew | #defocus |
| 20:51.42 | Tarraq | abrotman>> #social? :) |
| 20:51.55 | abrotman | Tarraq: i don't remember the name of it .. used to be #freenode-social |
| 20:52.00 | stew | #defocus |
| 20:52.05 | abrotman | seems to be #freenode now i guess |
| 20:52.15 | abrotman | oh .. it is #defocus |
| 20:52.18 | Tarraq | stew>> defocus you say? :) |
| 20:52.33 | Tarraq | :P |
| 20:52.34 | Tarraq | thanks |
| 20:52.37 | abrotman | yeah .. #freenode-social is now #defocus .. be easier to find if they stopped changing the name |
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| 20:53.30 | Tarraq | abrotman>> Stupid question but freenode is mainly nice geeky stuff? :) |
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| 20:53.46 | abrotman | Tarraq: there are social channels though |
| 20:54.03 | abrotman | Tarraq: /list .. gives a huge list of channels to go through |
| 20:54.43 | Tarraq | abrotman>> I'm an irc n00b :P |
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| 20:58.32 | stoned | time to go home |
| 20:58.38 | ryushe | anyone on http://pastebin.com/d3a99a868 please? |
| 20:58.41 | ryushe | euh |
| 20:58.43 | ryushe | wrong chan |
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| 20:59.31 | weggpod | hy |
| 20:59.45 | humbolto | if I configure a ppp connection (PPTP) in /etc/network/interfaces, will it be brought up after the physical interfaces have been brought up? |
| 20:59.46 | weggpod | there is a bug in the libmemcached-perl |
| 20:59.55 | weggpod | with the function stats |
| 21:00.12 | abrotman | ryushe: because you're using || instead of && |
| 21:00.48 | weggpod | the bug was discover in june |
| 21:00.55 | stew | humbolto: you can add "up pon nameofpptpconnection" in the interfaces's stanza provided you have setup 'nameofpptpconnection' in /etc/ppp/peers |
| 21:01.00 | weggpod | and there is no update for debian etch |
| 21:01.28 | abrotman | ryushe: or rather .. unless all of those are defined .. one of them will be empty .. which since you're using if/elseif .. it'll only do one of the actions .. and the first matches |
| 21:01.40 | humbolto | stew: all clear. |
| 21:01.46 | Tarraq | abrotman>> thanks :) and stew too |
| 21:01.46 | NightOath | I asked a second ago, but its not working, how do i run a command when x starts, im using gdm, currently it ignores both .xinitrc and .xsession, to i need to edit gdms conf somehwere? |
| 21:02.43 | humbolto | stew: but what is the default if I would use "iface ppp0 inet ppp \ provider name"? Would the physical interfaces be brought up first? |
| 21:02.58 | weggpod | sorry it's in libcache-memcached-perl |
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| 21:03.15 | ryushe | abrotman > thanks, even if it's not the topic here :) (on an aside, any suggestions to do what I want to do?) |
| 21:03.35 | abrotman | ryushe: i'm assuming you want to see that one is empty .. and then which one ? |
| 21:03.39 | dkg | would anyone here recommend O'Reilly's Linux In A Nutshell? |
| 21:03.41 | stew | humbolto: in the order they appear in that file, i think, but i was not aware that 'ppp' was a valid interface type for interfaces |
| 21:04.13 | ryushe | abrotman > not specifically, first I want to check if any of them has been set, if not, then display first message, if one of them IS set, display the appropriate message |
| 21:04.44 | humbolto | stew: I learned you something then. |
| 21:05.18 | humbolto | In the order the appear behind the "auto" statement I would assume. |
| 21:05.24 | abrotman | ryushe: i think you can do the NOT empty bit nested under the first if |
| 21:05.26 | stew | yeah, whatddya know |
| 21:05.40 | stew | humbolto: from the manpage, "There can be multiple "auto" stanzas. ifup brings the named interfaces up in the order listed." |
| 21:06.04 | ryushe | I guess I'll do it backwards tho, check first for which one is set, if none, display the "one is empty" message |
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| 21:06.16 | humbolto | stew: tnx |
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| 21:06.39 | NightOath | .xsession doesnt execute the commands when x is started, .xinit-errors is created when i start X, http://pastebin.com/m2701a368 |
| 21:07.05 | ryushe | ah well, as I said, not a topic for this channel, I'll figure it out |
| 21:07.16 | abrotman | ryushe: .. though i thikn i just overwrote your post http://pastebin.com/m79ca95a3 |
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| 21:07.37 | abrotman | ryushe: not sure if that's what you were triyng to do or not .. but yes .. it is OT :) |
| 21:07.50 | ryushe | hehe, thanks anyways :) |
| 21:07.52 | ryushe | I'll try that |
| 21:08.20 | MangosDebian | abrotman: simon still hasnt figured it out yet :) |
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| 21:08.52 | abrotman | MangosDebian: ? |
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| 21:09.03 | dkg | as reluctant/busy as you may be to answer me, it would help me a lot. would anyone here recommend O'Reilly's Linux In A Nutshell? |
| 21:09.19 | MangosDebian | abrotman: m nick |
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| 21:09.23 | abrotman | dkg: it's not bad .. but there are plenty of online sites you could start with |
| 21:09.28 | abrotman | MangosDebian: uhm ok |
| 21:09.32 | abrotman | !tell dkg about grounding |
| 21:09.41 | doudou | hi how can i have quotas gestion? |
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| 21:09.58 | boulbul | Hi, can any one please tell me if I need a dns server in order to have an smtp server? thanks |
| 21:10.00 | MangosDebian | abrotman: i thought I was being fairly obvious about it though *shrug* |
| 21:10.07 | dkg | abrotman: I've read the Introduction to Linux on TLDP and several Debian documents. I'll check that out, thanks. |
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| 21:10.23 | abrotman | dkg: any of the items in quotes .. /msg dpkg foo |
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| 21:11.04 | doudou | !msg dpkg quotas |
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| 21:12.03 | dkg | abrotman: Funny, there is little of what 'gounding' referred to that I haven't already read |
| 21:12.04 | qrck | fucking whore has deleted my raw cdimage and my files.... |
| 21:12.06 | dkg | Any other suggestions? |
| 21:12.17 | abrotman | dkg: depends what you really want to konw |
| 21:12.38 | MangosDebian | boulbul: well, depends if you want it open to the world to recieve email via a dns name or just some localhost setup |
| 21:12.50 | dkg | abrotman: I would like some more base knowledge.. there is nothing specific I'm interested in. |
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| 21:13.28 | abrotman | dkg: makes it hard to point you anywhere :) |
| 21:13.29 | dkg | abrotman: Am I best to focus on learning a various distrobution in depth, or to focus on security? |
| 21:13.34 | MangosDebian | boulbul: if you have a domain name and want email, you would need either your own dns servers or your provider to setup the MX records. although I can't say for sure what the default would be in the event of a missing mx as i've never tried a broken dns before |
| 21:13.41 | dkg | various? Err.. *specific |
| 21:13.42 | doudou | hi how can i enable disk quotas |
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| 21:14.11 | abrotman | dkg: you need basics to start .. then you can branch off |
| 21:15.12 | dkg | abrotman: It's like a mid-life crisis, only to do with learning Linux and 20 years too early. ¬_¬ |
| 21:15.23 | boulbul | mangosDebian: what is the best and easiest way do you recommend. and also would it be possible to setup a mail server using a dyndns? |
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| 21:15.55 | abrotman | dkg: hehe |
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| 21:16.58 | MangosDebian | boulbul: im pretty sure the free dyndns supports setting MX for you, but you might wanna double check that. |
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| 21:17.53 | blubberdiblub | boulbul, MangosDebian: it does |
| 21:18.05 | MangosDebian | boulbul: you may wish to verify that your isp doesnt restrict incoming/outgoing smtp though before you get started |
| 21:18.13 | MangosDebian | blubberdiblub: thought so, thanks. |
| 21:18.30 | stew | sounds scary |
| 21:18.42 | boulbul | MangoDebian: how do I check that> |
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| 21:19.34 | streuner | well, the easy solution would be, just them :-) |
| 21:19.39 | MangosDebian | boulbul: get someone to try connect to your smtp port after you get something open on it listening. either netcat or a mail server itself like exim |
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| 21:20.13 | streuner | ask |
| 21:20.51 | boulbul | MangoDebian: can't I do it myself using ssh? |
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| 21:21.25 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: but i would recommend against an SMTP server on a free dyndns.org domain on a dynamic ip ... imagine the situation: you shut down your box, someone else gets assigned your ip, the domain still points to the ip, someone else gets your email ... |
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| 21:22.02 | MangosDebian | boulbul: technically yes, but I get the feeling that you wouldnt understand the difference between a successful connect or not unless you setup a ssh server on port 25 |
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| 21:22.29 | itrebal | does the default Etch kernel support memory >= 1GB? |
| 21:22.42 | streuner | grep config about |
| 21:22.51 | boulbul | MangosDebian: 25 is the port for SMTP server ( defauls) |
| 21:22.51 | stew | itrebal: which one? |
| 21:22.55 | stew | itrebal: the -486 doesn't |
| 21:23.01 | MangosDebian | blubberdiblub: what would the odds of someone on his isp getting his ip and having a smtp running accepting everything though? |
| 21:23.07 | streuner | stew:heh |
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| 21:23.25 | MangosDebian | boulbul: yes, 25 is the smtp port |
| 21:23.25 | blubberdiblub | MangosDebian: true, but it would be possible |
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| 21:23.50 | itrebal | I've got -386, but I'm pretty sure I could get something higher: its an Intel Celeron 2.8GHz with 1GB of ram |
| 21:23.53 | stew | MangosDebian: having someone running an smtp server that rejected it is not good either |
| 21:24.00 | MangosDebian | blubberdiblub: very |
| 21:24.43 | stew | itrebal: if you have a -386 kernel, you should consider upgrading to etch, the current debian stable |
| 21:24.43 | MangosDebian | stew: at least most setups will retry for a few days or at least hours |
| 21:24.43 | itrebal | I did upgrade to etch, it must have not upgraded my kernel? |
| 21:24.43 | streuner | itrebal: grep -i highmem /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 21:25.05 | blubberdiblub | MangosDebian, boulbul: anyways, dyndns has an option to clear the DNS record (use it when shutting down), but i think you have to pay for that ... :/ |
| 21:25.07 | itrebal | found the problem :P - CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y ; linux-image-2.6.18-4-686-bigmem would be the one I'm looking for? |
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| 21:25.28 | boulbul | bluebberdiblub: but I though if my box is closed, then dyndns would not work at all , because it has to authenticate again my credentials. this means that if Ip is changed, the 3rd party must have my user/pass in order for it to work? |
| 21:25.41 | itrebal | (I'm working remotely with a computer several thousand miles away and would like to make less of a hassle as possible |
| 21:25.43 | streuner | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 21:25.55 | MangosDebian | boulbul: the problem is it will stay at the last IP until you change it |
| 21:26.00 | stew | MangosDebian: they shouldn't retry, as they should get a 5xx error not a 4xx error |
| 21:26.18 | itrebal | linux-image-2.6.18-4-686-bigmem would be the correct kernel to apt-get, correct? |
| 21:26.31 | MangosDebian | stew: if they get an icmp reject? |
| 21:26.33 | streuner | heh, no |
| 21:26.35 | boulbul | MangosDebian: ok, I see |
| 21:26.42 | stew | itrebal: no, just -686, you only need -bigmem if you have 4gb or more |
| 21:26.58 | itrebal | ah, alright |
| 21:27.01 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: no, you only have to authenticate when you're changing your account on the web page and when _changing_ your ip. otherwise the DNS record remains set, even when your box is down (by default) |
| 21:27.12 | itrebal | thanks! I'm going to drive to the office to perform the upgrade, back in a bit |
| 21:27.12 | streuner | CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
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| 21:27.46 | stew | MangosDebian: for instance, if you got my mailserver instead of his, and tried to send him mail through it, the error is going to be a 554 or a 513 or something , and 5xx errors mean. failed, don't retry, as opposed to 4xx errors, that mean "failed, please retry later" |
| 21:28.36 | MangosDebian | stew: well in the case of a connect to another mta sure. but if they get an ip with no mta running it will retry. and thats probably the more likely |
| 21:28.45 | itrebal | mmm.. genious spam solution there, tell all mail servers to retry the first time and then if they don't retry, they're most liikely a spammer |
| 21:29.14 | stew | itrebal: yeah, apt-cache show postgrey |
| 21:29.20 | itrebal | yep :) |
| 21:29.22 | MangosDebian | stew: i mean he's probably got what, a 1-2% chance or less of someone on his isp having an mta running open to the world? |
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| 21:29.40 | itrebal | I'm using greylistd at the momen,t I'd like to use postgrey but I've already got a year or so of mailservers allowed :) |
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| 21:29.55 | stew | MangosDebian: and losing 1-2% of your mail sucks |
| 21:29.59 | drthunder | DPKG IS MADE OF PEEEEEOPLE!!! |
| 21:30.02 | drthunder | DPKG IS MADE OF PEEEEEOPLE!!! |
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| 21:30.12 | MangosDebian | stew: you should try hotmail :) |
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| 21:30.29 | MangosDebian | stew: trigger finger! :p |
| 21:30.40 | MangosDebian | itchy* |
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| 21:33.54 | boulbul | MangoDebian: Sorry my computer shut down...could you please send me the discussion we just had. I did not get a chance to save it? thanks |
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| 21:35.14 | MangosDebian | lrn2log |
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| 21:35.34 | NightOath | ive just switched to xdm, by apt-getting told it to switch to make xdm default, the window comes up but my user cant log in, though root can :S where is the conf for xdm kept? |
| 21:36.29 | boulbul | MangosDebian: I have just started using xchat , and I am learning to use it. |
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| 21:37.39 | MangosDebian | hmm, seems drthunder likes #mysql as well |
| 21:38.09 | MangosDebian | aka samschoice aka sams_choice |
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| 21:40.55 | karsten | I've got the monster box to swap. |
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| 21:41.04 | karsten | It's using 16k of swap (65 GB available) ;-) |
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| 21:41.47 | streuner | well, swap doesnt work well in Linux |
| 21:42.04 | themill | streuner: you're kidding, right? |
| 21:42.07 | streuner | no |
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| 21:42.19 | MangosDebian | karsten: you still running those compiles? |
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| 21:42.37 | streuner | its only to make sure, you loosing no data |
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| 21:45.31 | streuner | well, swap is a PITA anyway |
| 21:45.51 | streuner | RAM is nowadays not that expensive |
| 21:46.18 | MangosDebian | at least linux runs 100% without it enabled (other than out of ram). I know windows chokes hard core on just about anything without it even if you have plenty of ram |
| 21:46.40 | stoned | streuner: I just ordered 2x1gb ddr2 pc6400 800mhz for 70$ on new egg |
| 21:46.49 | stoned | with heatspreaders, though it is slow |
| 21:46.51 | stoned | CAS5 |
| 21:46.53 | stoned | :( |
| 21:47.04 | boulbul | bluebberdiblub: sorry, I am trying to downloand the file, but does not seem to do anything |
| 21:47.15 | stoned | awe crap |
| 21:47.15 | streuner | slower RAM is much more faster vs. HDs :-) |
| 21:47.21 | stoned | I got soap in my ears |
| 21:47.22 | stoned | ! |
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| 21:47.52 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: sorry, i think it's my fault. i probably have set up my security too strict |
| 21:47.55 | streuner | dondelelcaro: vacation? |
| 21:48.09 | stoned | streuner: true |
| 21:48.13 | dondelelcaro | streuner: ? |
| 21:48.19 | stoned | I would like a few TB of nonvolatile ram |
| 21:48.23 | stoned | for data storage |
| 21:48.24 | streuner | dondelelcaro: do you have vacation? |
| 21:48.25 | stoned | would be nice |
| 21:48.45 | boulbul | blubberrdiblub: could u please sent it to me again. Thanks |
| 21:48.50 | dondelelcaro | streuner: not really; I'm a graduate student |
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| 21:49.05 | stoned | dondelelcaro: word man |
| 21:49.06 | dondelelcaro | I can take time off whenever I need to, but I don't have vacation time per-se. |
| 21:49.08 | stoned | dondelelcaro: major? |
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| 21:49.17 | dondelelcaro | stoned: cell, molecular and developmental biology |
| 21:49.23 | stoned | you gotta be shittin me |
| 21:49.29 | streuner | no |
| 21:49.30 | stoned | and here you do computers as well |
| 21:49.33 | stoned | thats heavy man |
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| 21:49.39 | stoned | you must be a genius |
| 21:49.48 | streuner | well, whats without computers today... |
| 21:49.53 | stoned | medicine/biology never made sense to me |
| 21:49.57 | themill | there's quite a few of us around who just do the computer geeking thing part time... |
| 21:50.01 | dondelelcaro | nah; I do a lot of bioinformatics work, so that's why I work with computers |
| 21:50.06 | stoned | my entire family is full of pakistani nerds turned physicians |
| 21:50.17 | stoned | not me though, only thing ever made sense to me was computers and music |
| 21:50.36 | stoned | dondelelcaro: ahh still man, its pretty heavy |
| 21:50.40 | stoned | thats a lot of hardwork |
| 21:50.56 | stoned | I skimmed through one of my older brothers organic chemistry books once |
| 21:51.00 | stoned | blew my friggin mind |
| 21:51.13 | boulbul | blubberrdiblub: thanks man. very much apreciated |
| 21:51.21 | boulbul | blubberrdiblub: thanks man. very much apreciate |
| 21:51.34 | stoned | blew it right off my shoulders |
| 21:51.36 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: you're welcome |
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| 21:51.54 | stoned | however I love the intricacies and complexities of music theory |
| 21:51.58 | streuner | dondelelcaro: we call it in .de "Semesterferien" - semester break |
| 21:52.00 | stoned | and pc hardware |
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| 21:52.14 | stoned | streuner: heh, we take classes during the summer |
| 21:52.20 | stoned | what you talkin bout breaks |
| 21:52.20 | stoned | :) |
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| 21:52.26 | dondelelcaro | streuner: oh, I think it's summer session for undergrads; I don't really pay attention to what they do |
| 21:52.27 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: still doing the oracle thing? |
| 21:52.32 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: oracle? |
| 21:52.48 | stoned | dondelelcaro: I was browsing perlmonks the other day, came across you |
| 21:52.51 | stoned | dondelelcaro: you are a monk? |
| 21:52.56 | dondelelcaro | stoned: yeah |
| 21:52.56 | stoned | that WAS you wasn't it? |
| 21:52.58 | stoned | word man |
| 21:53.07 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: many many moons ago you shared the meaning of your nick. I forget specifics apparently |
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| 21:54.14 | streuner | !dondelelcaro |
| 21:54.14 | dpkg | from memory, dondelelcaro is a nutcase who can't stop talking to apt, |
| 21:54.16 | zwox | i've just installed cl-md5 but i don't know the command to execute it, some one can help ? |
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| 21:54.28 | streuner | !factinfo dondelelcaro |
| 21:54.28 | dpkg | dondelelcaro -- created by dondelelcaro <~don@24-205-177-24.riv-dyn.charterpipeline.com> at Sat Jan 12 03:48:07 2002 (2022 days); last modified at Fri Jan 17 23:56:28 2003 by dondelelcaro!~don@archimedes.urmc.rochester.edu; it has been requested 72 times, last by streuner, 14s ago; it has been locked by dondelelcaro. |
| 21:54.34 | streuner | hm |
| 21:55.12 | dondelelcaro | !+meaning of dondelelcaro |
| 21:55.13 | dpkg | dondelelcaro is a conjuction of don=don del=delpsi elcaro=oracle. Figure it out. |
| 21:55.21 | MangosDebian | ahh :) |
| 21:55.33 | MangosDebian | was wrong on the delpsi though |
| 21:55.42 | karsten | dondelelcaro: That's not true. We have the videos and long-range telephoto dossier. |
| 21:55.49 | MangosDebian | lol |
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| 21:56.33 | MangosDebian | I seem to recall "employement" @ oracle in a log or two :/ |
| 21:56.36 | L3R4F | hi there :) |
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| 21:56.58 | Valman | Hello L3R4F |
| 21:57.04 | karsten | !sledgehammer |
| 21:57.04 | dpkg | somebody said sledgehammer was You could have a steam train / If you'd just lay down your tracks / You could have an aeroplane flying / If you bring your blue sky back. |
| 21:57.04 | L3R4F | i would like to know if it's possible to have the exactly amount of video memory? |
| 21:57.08 | dondelelcaro | nope; I've never worked for larry elison. [I'd be more likely to sail on one of his boats than work for him] |
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| 21:57.28 | L3R4F | Hi Valman :) |
| 21:57.35 | boulbul | blubberrdiblub: MangosDebian: I have few other questions for you please. If I have to use an smtp of the local area network, what is the best and easier to use?, 2. is there any freeweb hosting on the net on a linux server? |
| 21:57.52 | stoned | really? |
| 21:58.00 | stoned | I thought it was all spanish |
| 21:58.03 | stoned | like don del el caro |
| 21:58.08 | stoned | caro means car or cat? |
| 21:58.16 | stoned | something.. guess I was totally off |
| 21:58.25 | dondelelcaro | in spanish it means don of the expensive, which makes no sense |
| 21:58.29 | stoned | lol |
| 21:58.30 | karsten | dondelelcaro: So we can call "cabin boy"? |
| 21:58.32 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: ahhh ;) well, back im my troubled days of pgsql I remember that sticking out. Oh well, memory isnt what it used to be is it old buddy :) |
| 21:58.46 | dondelelcaro | karsten: IACC boats don't have cabins, actually |
| 21:59.00 | dondelelcaro | (though they *do* have sewers) |
| 21:59.02 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Seaves more time for other duties. |
| 21:59.09 | stoned | what is the gnome/gtk2 equivalent of amarok? |
| 21:59.10 | stoned | anyone? |
| 21:59.23 | streuner | is there one? |
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| 21:59.26 | L3R4F | amarog? |
| 21:59.27 | L3R4F | xD |
| 21:59.27 | streuner | xmms2 :-) |
| 21:59.30 | stoned | no |
| 21:59.39 | stoned | it was a weird name starting with E or something |
| 21:59.41 | MangosDebian | boulbul: exim4 comes default with etch if that helps |
| 21:59.47 | streuner | E? |
| 21:59.53 | stoned | yeh it was a heavy E |
| 22:00.05 | streuner | stoned: how about to search for? |
| 22:00.14 | stoned | i dunno wtf to search for |
| 22:00.15 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: well, depends on what you prefer. i'm using masqmail, because it's quite simple, but debconf doesn't really guide your thorugh the full setup. only part of it. it's not exactly a common MTA ;) |
| 22:00.17 | MangosDebian | why does Enlightenment stand out? |
| 22:00.24 | streuner | stoned: media player or such |
| 22:00.40 | stoned | ahh |
| 22:00.41 | stoned | Exaile |
| 22:00.42 | stoned | ! |
| 22:00.44 | streuner | well, the development for e17 was stopped or such |
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| 22:01.00 | streuner | in fact, you dont get the source at all |
| 22:01.00 | stoned | e17 hmm its a CMS innit? |
| 22:01.08 | streuner | cvs |
| 22:01.15 | stoned | i thought i saw it on opensourcecms.org |
| 22:01.17 | stoned | or something |
| 22:01.20 | stoned | nm |
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| 22:01.56 | stoned | ahh, its e107 |
| 22:02.05 | stoned | i knew i wasn't insane |
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| 22:02.31 | stoned | I know i know, im not the brightest, and yes i know i know, I'm a pothead |
| 22:02.38 | itrebal | ... pothead... |
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| 22:02.41 | boulbul | blubberrdiblub: MangosDebian: but no free hosting you know..ha |
| 22:03.24 | L3R4F | Is there a way to know the amount of video memory? |
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| 22:03.47 | streuner | uhm, dmcidecode? |
| 22:03.50 | stew | L3R4F: are you trying to configure X ? |
| 22:03.54 | MangosDebian | boulbul: do you have a reason for wanting to host your own email? or you just want a server cause its "1337"? |
| 22:03.55 | L3R4F | nop |
| 22:03.57 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: well, i don't use such a service. having a web server on my box and a dyndns account suffices for my purposes. for something like that, dyndns or similar is not a bad choice |
| 22:04.11 | stew | L3R4F: check /var/log/xorg.log maybe? |
| 22:04.25 | streuner | !info dmidecode |
| 22:04.28 | dpkg | dmidecode: (Dump Desktop Management Interface data), section utils, is important. Version: 2.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
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| 22:04.47 | MangosDebian | boulbul: more importantly, how many emails do you need? how many does your isp offer? etc |
| 22:04.49 | streuner | L3R4F: try that ^^^ |
| 22:04.54 | mythomaniac | SYSTEMINFO - designed for XChat - by scoobs - version 1.3 |
| 22:05.05 | streuner | argh |
| 22:05.06 | L3R4F | ouch, quiet a verbosich output streuner ^^ |
| 22:05.07 | trumpen | L3R4F: lshw ? |
| 22:05.23 | trumpen | su -c "lshw | grep size" |
| 22:05.38 | L3R4F | i don't find any lshw ... |
| 22:06.18 | blubberdiblub | it's in the lshw package ;) |
| 22:06.23 | stoned | whoah wtf |
| 22:06.24 | trumpen | yep :) |
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| 22:06.31 | stoned | did I just paste a few pages i here |
| 22:06.36 | stoned | no |
| 22:06.46 | stoned | my box is acting up. |
| 22:06.47 | boulbul | blubberrdiblub: MangosDebian: My problem is that I have setup a phpBB3. I have set it up with the work smtp server. it works fine, but any notifications sent to users private mail are not going out. I think it had to do with the MX... |
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| 22:07.04 | L3R4F | thx trumpen, my search in aptitude was to quick, i didn't find it the 1st time :) |
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| 22:07.18 | lontra | is there a way to extract a file out a .deb? i want to get a .jpg out of a .deb from a debian based distro |
| 22:07.32 | boulbul | blubberrdiblub: MangosDebian: so, I checked on the net, and I found out that I may need a local smtp server. |
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| 22:07.46 | Kjikaqawej | lontra: man dpkg; -x |
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| 22:07.57 | MangosDebian | boulbul: smarthost |
| 22:08.02 | boulbul | I am running out of time...that is why I am thinking to try to host it else where |
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| 22:09.38 | L3R4F | trumpen, no info about memory size with lshw :) |
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| 22:10.32 | L3R4F | but Xorg.log tells me that ;) (--) S3VIRGE(0): videoram: 2048k |
| 22:10.48 | L3R4F | thx for the help guyz |
| 22:10.51 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: what MangosDebian said. make your smtp server at work hand the mail over to some ISP's smtp, don't send it directly |
| 22:11.03 | L3R4F | thx stew |
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| 22:11.43 | rcbarnes | How do I get tahoma installed with iceweasel? |
| 22:12.05 | rcbarnes | I can't find anything in apt |
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| 22:12.21 | L3R4F | try to find it in c:\windows\fonts :P |
| 22:13.05 | rcbarnes | L3R4F: there's no free version? |
| 22:13.23 | L3R4F | ask microsoft if they have free tahoma.ttf ^^ |
| 22:13.52 | rcbarnes | doesn't macos use it, too? |
| 22:14.19 | rcbarnes | I doubt MS gave it to them, right? |
| 22:14.24 | L3R4F | http://www.filesearching.com/cgi-bin/s?q=tahoma.ttf&s1=255000 |
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| 22:15.22 | L3R4F | or here if u want to buy it ^^ |
| 22:15.22 | L3R4F | http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/microsoft/tahoma/ |
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| 22:16.05 | L3R4F | then copy it in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/ |
| 22:16.16 | rcbarnes | L3R4F: thanks. |
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| 22:16.24 | L3R4F | You're welcome :) |
| 22:16.30 | stoned | tahoma isn't free? |
| 22:16.36 | stoned | what is inside msttcorefonts |
| 22:16.49 | themill | stoned: other rubbish, but not tahoma. |
| 22:16.54 | stoned | hey! |
| 22:16.57 | L3R4F | +1 |
| 22:17.01 | stoned | Comic Sans MS ain't rubbish. |
| 22:17.05 | L3R4F | ^^ |
| 22:17.06 | karsten | stoned: MS TT core fonts. |
| 22:17.10 | stoned | that is a beautiful font |
| 22:17.13 | karsten | stoned: Oddly enough. |
| 22:17.20 | themill | stoned: andale, arial, comic, courier, impact, verdana, tmr, trebuchet |
| 22:17.20 | stoned | I love that font next to DejaVu Serif Condensed |
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| 22:17.46 | stoned | and only condensed |
| 22:17.53 | stoned | the other dejavu fonts are fugly |
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| 22:18.14 | MangosDebian | only humans would make it illegal to render their own language without paying a fee..... |
| 22:18.26 | MangosDebian | refering to the font bs btw |
| 22:18.36 | stoned | isn't gates rich enough..? |
| 22:18.43 | stoned | I mean how gluttenous does one have to be right? |
| 22:18.49 | stoned | or greedy, whatever |
| 22:18.51 | pramz | ? |
| 22:19.03 | MangosDebian | whats next, charge us for air we breath by the atom? ... ;) |
| 22:19.13 | stoned | MangosDebian: well, maybe one day |
| 22:19.18 | stoned | you've seen double dragon? |
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| 22:19.21 | pramz | if you want to talk about greed, software is not the main culprit. |
| 22:19.33 | pramz | pharmaceutical industry is |
| 22:19.35 | stoned | the movie about the game? in that movie, you have to pay for fresh/clean oxygen rich air |
| 22:19.44 | L3R4F | and Gates isn't the richest man... don't blame him |
| 22:19.52 | pramz | I personally prefer the Perri-Air from Spaceballs |
| 22:19.55 | stoned | I said isn't he rich enough, never said the most rich |
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| 22:20.02 | stoned | haha, spaceballs |
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| 22:20.21 | pramz | well he plans to give away all his wealth by the time he dies (minus the small amount he leaves for his kids) |
| 22:20.26 | MangosDebian | stoned: no I havent, but it sounds like a scene from (well ya spaceballs hehe) total recall |
| 22:20.31 | pramz | from 2008 on he won't be with Microsoft anymore |
| 22:20.38 | L3R4F | really? |
| 22:20.52 | pramz | Spaceballs is one of the best movie ever :) |
| 22:20.54 | pramz | yes |
| 22:20.58 | stoned | fuck shuttleworth, let gates back debian |
| 22:21.06 | L3R4F | ^^ |
| 22:21.09 | stoned | i dunno, give every single DD a badass machine |
| 22:21.10 | pramz | he plans to do work with his Foundation full time |
| 22:21.15 | stoned | like a friggin super computer |
| 22:21.27 | MangosDebian | pramz: gates fortune almost seems like just a USA fall back plan to ensure continued world domination by buying up everything in an emergency using the money they ripped off of everyone... |
| 22:21.30 | stoned | high speed and ultra bandwidth debian servers |
| 22:21.40 | stoned | free debian tshirts sent to people's houyses |
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| 22:21.42 | stoned | like aol cds |
| 22:21.45 | stoned | just only better |
| 22:21.49 | MangosDebian | aol cd's lol |
| 22:21.58 | Valman | You've got Debian! |
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| 22:22.02 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 22:22.07 | pramz | MangosDebian, well to give him credit, he does try and support worthwhile causes with his wealth which is more than I can say for a lot of rich people |
| 22:22.32 | stoned | he likes to phile the anthropes, and I like to mis em |
| 22:22.36 | MangosDebian | pramz: what else can he do with it? take it for a walk? :) |
| 22:22.37 | stoned | eheh. hmm |
| 22:22.51 | pramz | MangosDebian, many others hoard it or spend it on frivolous things |
| 22:23.06 | boulbul | blubberrdiblub: MangosDebian: I just read about smarthost. We can send emails to the internet without any problem. Is it possible in this case to make my linux box connect to the smtp server to do the work? |
| 22:23.08 | stoned | dude if I had that kinda money |
| 22:23.10 | MangosDebian | pramz: at least spending it spreads it around |
| 22:23.11 | stoned | I'd love to live on space |
| 22:23.14 | stoned | in space( |
| 22:23.20 | pramz | MangosDebian, I know a guy who has a wife and 2 kids, who bought a house with 74 bedrooms with attached bathrooms |
| 22:23.28 | stoned | build myself like a 5star hotel type resort in space |
| 22:23.30 | MangosDebian | stoned: i think you're already there space cadet stoned :p |
| 22:23.34 | stoned | :D |
| 22:23.49 | stoned | no no no |
| 22:24.10 | pramz | MangosDebian, true which he already does, but the rest of it he wishes to donate to charity which imho is a good thing. |
| 22:24.28 | stoned | you know what I'd do, I'd build the most gigantic space telescope with the biggest freakin lens EVER, as big as the mooon or something, and then let it have all sorts of filters on the light it absorbs |
| 22:24.34 | stoned | I wanna see way the fuck out there man |
| 22:25.00 | stoned | i'd like to zoom in on stuff and find earth like planets |
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| 22:25.05 | stoned | I think thats what i'd do with all my money |
| 22:25.10 | pramz | oh man |
| 22:25.17 | MangosDebian | stoned: Mr. Burns comes to mind.... |
| 22:25.22 | stoned | mr burns? |
| 22:25.31 | MangosDebian | stoned: sun blocking device episode |
| 22:25.42 | stoned | MangosDebian: ahh yeh i remember |
| 22:25.43 | karsten | However, finding Earth-like planets would be a different proposition. |
| 22:25.46 | stoned | I have nto seen the simpsons one |
| 22:26.00 | stoned | but I did see southpark, when butters(prof. chaos) tries to hide the sun |
| 22:26.10 | stoned | but the simpsons already did it, so he gives up |
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| 22:26.26 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 22:26.37 | stoned | omg! I just found a piece of budd in my belly button |
| 22:26.38 | MangosDebian | stoned: was a 2 part murder mystery episode iirc |
| 22:26.39 | stoned | hehehehe |
| 22:26.55 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: now i see what you're trying to do. does your box at work have a static ip? then you could use dyndns without problems. and i take it you own a domain, which points to your work box? then setting up a dns server would probably do, yes |
| 22:27.03 | stoned | karsten: |
| 22:27.19 | stoned | er.. hey karsten what do you mean different proposition? |
| 22:27.46 | stoned | who is propositioning who? what are you on about? I am lost |
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| 22:27.56 | karsten | stoned: Well, propositionally, it's different, as in, not the same. |
| 22:28.04 | stoned | same as what? |
| 22:28.13 | stoned | for what? |
| 22:28.19 | karsten | stoned: Works for me. |
| 22:28.26 | stoned | proposition me for what dude? |
| 22:28.35 | karsten | Yes. |
| 22:28.51 | stoned | have sex with me, go out with me, proposition me to go play cricket? |
| 22:29.00 | stoned | what man? you can't just say proposition and then be like, for what? |
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| 22:30.55 | stoned | you sir, are strange. |
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| 22:32.18 | jakub_ | hi |
| 22:32.20 | jakub_ | please i have big problems with lircd :( |
| 22:32.30 | jakub_ | if i configure it and sstart with nodaemon |
| 22:32.42 | jakub_ | i ticking the buttons on controller and it doesn`t do anything |
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| 22:33.13 | karsten | stoned: I used to be odd as well. |
| 22:33.18 | karsten | stoned: But I incremented myself. |
| 22:33.23 | jakub_ | pls help |
| 22:33.41 | lokkju_wrk | I have a sort of strange issue... when I connect to my box running sshd, it stays connected till I leave it sitting for a bit. Once I leave it sitting, it will disconnect the first time I try to type. The machine I am connecting to is debian etch, and the machine I am connecting from is XPSP2, using putty. It is not a network issue - they are both on the same LAN |
| 22:34.21 | MangosDebian | lokkju_wrk: how long? is windows going to sleep? |
| 22:35.01 | lokkju_wrk | lokkju_wrk, no, no - I am still working on the client, just not with putty... I notice it seems to happen if I don't use putty for about 2 minutes |
| 22:35.07 | lokkju_wrk | ack, MangosDebian ^ |
| 22:35.42 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: Yes my linux box has a static ip, and we have a static external Ip too. If i had to setup the dyndns it would be from home. I was just having trouble with MX issue, and was running out of time. |
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| 22:35.43 | karsten | lokkju_wrk: Check what's in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_intvl. |
| 22:35.47 | lokkju_wrk | it isn't the windows box, or putty - I have a connection to another debian box that has been active for over 15 hours now |
| 22:35.57 | MangosDebian | lokkju_wrk: well, 2 minutes isnt very long at all. :/ |
| 22:35.58 | karsten | lokkju_wrk: Should be 300 or less for some routers and firewalls. |
| 22:36.06 | karsten | There's also a keepalive option for SSH IIRC. |
| 22:36.24 | lokkju_wrk | karsten, 75 |
| 22:36.27 | lokkju_wrk | hmmm |
| 22:36.28 | MangosDebian | lokkju_wrk: have you tweaked any of the sysctl? what ver of debian are you using? etc. |
| 22:37.10 | lokkju_wrk | MangosDebian, no to sysctl, etch, Linux asimov 2.6.16-2-686 #1 Sat Jul 15 21:59:21 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:37.15 | karsten | lokkju_wrk: Same here. |
| 22:37.43 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: now i'm confused again ... but anyways, if you have a static ip, there's no problem in using a dyndns account and setting up an smtp server on your box. after all, no one is being reassigned your ip when you shut down ... |
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| 22:38.11 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: I see. |
| 22:38.11 | MangosDebian | lokkju_wrk: hmmm, defaults shouldnt have any sort of 2 minute time out to my knowledge on etch. *shrug* |
| 22:38.14 | buchkurish | woot woot |
| 22:38.24 | buchkurish | guys i got a problem wheever i connect with irssi to dalnet it tells me i have a trojan |
| 22:38.27 | lokkju_wrk | MangosDebian, of course not |
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| 22:38.40 | lokkju_wrk | buchkurish, finish reading dalnet's message |
| 22:38.45 | buchkurish | i dont get it, how the hel can i have a trojan on debian 4.0 that i barely use , can someone assist i need some virus caner or something |
| 22:38.48 | buchkurish | lokkju_wrk: oki dok |
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| 22:40.23 | Kjikaqawej | virus scanner for linux? you jest |
| 22:40.40 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 22:40.43 | Kjikaqawej | clamav and such are good for scanning email passing through linux MTAs |
| 22:41.35 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: you did not answer my question...please... would it still work if I use the work smtp server with smart host rather then the ISp's, cause as I stated we can sent emails to the outside with no hassle |
| 22:41.37 | boulbul | ? |
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| 22:42.06 | buchkurish | http://pastebin.ca/636469 |
| 22:42.12 | buchkurish | lokkju_wrk: http://pastebin.ca/636469 |
| 22:42.48 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: well, when you send to the isp's smtp server, that is called a smarthost ;) |
| 22:42.49 | lokkju_wrk | buchkurish, I didn't ask for the message, I told you to read it |
| 22:43.11 | buchkurish | i gave it to you anyway =) |
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| 22:43.25 | lokkju_wrk | buchkurish, specifically, you notice it says you match the pattern of a known trojan? dalnet does a port scan against you when you connect - you have some port responding that dalnet things is only used for trojans |
| 22:43.58 | boulbul | boulbul: ok, sorry ...I am a bit ...:) |
| 22:43.58 | buchkurish | ...well ciould u help me and identify which port that would be? hah, i got a few ports forwarded but they are for a security camera built in this business |
| 22:44.08 | buchkurish | but that swat it prog is for windows |
| 22:44.10 | buchkurish | http://www.lockdowncorp.com/bots/downloadswatit.html |
| 22:44.44 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: if i get it right, at work, you can't receive mail from the outside? for this to work, you have to have a domain name (you obviously have) and an MX pointing to your work box (that's what you don't have, i suppose). right? |
| 22:44.49 | buchkurish | want nmap localhost? |
| 22:45.08 | Kjikaqawej | lokkju_wrk: this isn't dalnet, freenode does the same, do a port scan |
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| 22:45.20 | boulbul | boulbul: we do |
| 22:45.50 | boulbul | we have our own mail server...to send and receive emails...to /from outsite |
| 22:46.08 | lokkju_wrk | Kjikaqawej, no, really? he was asking about dalnet |
| 22:46.17 | Kjikaqawej | oh, ok |
| 22:46.19 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: and receiving doesn't work? or which is it that doesn't work? |
| 22:46.21 | buchkurish | hehe yeah Kjikaqawej =) |
| 22:46.26 | buchkurish | dont gang up on lokkju_wrk =) |
| 22:46.30 | buchkurish | well how could i resolve this? |
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| 22:46.36 | Kjikaqawej | that's what i get for coming in in the middle ;p |
| 22:46.38 | buchkurish | never used to do this before, untill recently |
| 22:46.46 | buchkurish | ye ye happens to me hihi tis coo man =0- |
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| 22:46.58 | lokkju_wrk | ok, ps is lying to me about my system memory again... any recomended ways to see what is taking up 400MB of ram on a machine that is not using any GUI? |
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| 22:47.27 | builderman | have just had Etch upgrade hassles because eth5 is now eth5_renamed. turns out it has the same MAC as eth4. OK, but this didn't happen with Sarge. |
| 22:47.51 | builderman | And this isn't coming from the kernel |
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| 22:48.11 | buchkurish | mmy nmap here |
| 22:48.13 | buchkurish | http://pastebin.ca/636474 |
| 22:48.40 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: sorry , let me clarify myself. The smtp server at work works fine for sending and receiving emails to the outside. however, on the linux box using phpBB3, all notifications are sent to users if only their email address is internal. but does not work for gmail or yahoo... |
| 22:49.06 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: I hope that I am clear enough |
| 22:49.08 | boulbul | ? |
| 22:49.29 | tim__b | anyone can help me with some iptables thinkie: i won't to drop all requests, excecpt for a specified range. |
| 22:49.53 | abrotman | tim__b: try #iptables .. and read at netfilter.org and lartc.org |
| 22:50.18 | buchkurish | i got this little problem trying to connect to dalnet, can someone help me figure it out, here is what it says, and here is also a list of ports i got open on debian 4.0 http://pastebin.ca/636469 http://pastebin.ca/636474 |
| 22:50.18 | tim__b | thanks, abrotman |
| 22:50.25 | buchkurish | i got this little problem trying to connect to dalnet, can someone help me figure it out, here is what it says, and here is also a list of ports i got open on debian 4.0 http://pastebin.ca/636469 http://pastebin.ca/636474 |
| 22:50.27 | buchkurish | oops |
| 22:50.31 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: I had a look on the net. the advice I found is to setup a local smtp server to fix the MX problem... does that make sense to you? |
| 22:51.27 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: hmm, you mean notifications of this phpBB3 thingy? |
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| 22:52.32 | level1 | Hi, I've been having some trouble with my keyboard... I'm sorry I don't have very many details, but basically its a network of bugs that may or may not be related |
| 22:52.46 | level1 | Basically, sometimes my keyboard just doesn't respond |
| 22:53.07 | abrotman | is it usb ? |
| 22:53.08 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: can't you configure this phpBB3 to use your internal mail server as smart host instead of sending the mail directly? well, setting up an MX might work, tho, if phpBB3 does MX lookups, that is |
| 22:53.14 | level1 | abrotman: no, its a laptop |
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| 22:53.28 | abrotman | hardware related possibly ? |
| 22:54.16 | level1 | abrotman: possibly. There might actually be two unrelated issues. See, sometimes it has the ring of a hardware issue, sometimes I can manipulate it with the mouse and eventaully it will be fixed |
| 22:54.17 | Supaplex | why does procinfo say 123.5% idle? http://rafb.net/p/to0Jr351.html |
| 22:54.28 | abrotman | uhm |
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| 22:54.52 | level1 | abrotman: sometimes it happens when I'm coming out of suspend... in that case I can resuspend it and usually it will fix itself |
| 22:55.02 | Presently42 | How do I figure out which package provides which package? |
| 22:55.06 | abrotman | level1: what about re modprobing the driver ? |
| 22:55.11 | abrotman | Presently42: try again ? |
| 22:55.27 | Presently42 | abrotman: Is my font grey? |
| 22:55.33 | level1 | abrotman: well, the problem is that in order to do that I need to use the keyboard. |
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| 22:55.39 | abrotman | Presently42: which package provides a package ? |
| 22:55.45 | Presently42 | Sorry. |
| 22:55.46 | abrotman | level1: oh .. duh .. |
| 22:55.50 | abrotman | level1: ssh ? |
| 22:55.59 | Presently42 | Which package provides which file. |
| 22:56.00 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: Yes I mean that. |
| 22:56.00 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: or if phpBB3 is using the sendmail link, configure your installed MTA to use your internal mail server as smart host |
| 22:56.08 | abrotman | !tell Presently42 about search |
| 22:56.13 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 22:56.16 | level1 | abrotman: even if I knew how to do that, I don't have a second computer |
| 22:56.22 | abrotman | oh |
| 22:56.33 | abrotman | level1: you're going to have to poke in logs i guess |
| 22:56.43 | abrotman | sounds like a suspend issue to me .. but i don't use suspend |
| 22:56.49 | level1 | abrotman: I'll install an on screen keyboard and next time it comes up, I'll try to see whats going on |
| 22:57.17 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: you mean the sendmail on the linux box? |
| 22:57.23 | buchkurish | i got this little problem trying to connect to dalnet, can someone help me figure it out, here is what it says, and here is also a list of ports i got open on debian 4.0 http://pastebin.ca/636469 http://pastebin.ca/636474 |
| 22:57.28 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: yes |
| 22:58.27 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: I doubt it. I think it uses some php code to send emails between users within phpBB3 only... |
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| 22:59.02 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: but I had to just specify the smtp server for it so it was able to use the local smtp server |
| 22:59.30 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: I think I will try your advice... if I had to do so, would exim work ? |
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| 23:00.10 | Presently42 | abrotman: Thanks much. I've been looking for that for a long time. |
| 23:00.19 | abrotman | !tell Presently42 about refcard |
| 23:00.19 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: you had to specify the smtp server for what? phpBB3? well, set up your intranet mail server for that. then it usually would have to work |
| 23:00.27 | abrotman | Presently42: might be some other useful tidbits on that :) |
| 23:00.50 | utopia_ | hey i'm trying to install the java plugin w/ for iceweasal but having some trouble..the gnu implentation of the plugin ain't very good at the moment, and sun-java5-plugin seems to have disappeared from apt-get respo's? |
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| 23:00.57 | Presently42 | abrotman: Thanks much again. |
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| 23:01.11 | stoned | utopia_: which debian release? |
| 23:01.12 | selam | !nvidia |
| 23:01.12 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 23:01.13 | haak | !nvidia |
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| 23:01.21 | selam | !nvidia one-liner |
| 23:01.21 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 23:01.28 | karsten | blubberdiblub: What makes you think you've got a trojan? |
| 23:01.32 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: well, exim is a decent MTA, sure, you can try that |
| 23:02.01 | karsten | blubberdiblub: Um, nm, was in scrollback. |
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| 23:02.27 | blubberdiblub | karsten: alright, i was already starting to worry *g* |
| 23:02.34 | selam | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 23:02.34 | dpkg | i heard nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:02.34 | utopia_ | stoned, debian 4 etch |
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| 23:02.50 | buchkurish | would anyone help me out |
| 23:02.51 | buchkurish | i got this little problem trying to connect to dalnet, can someone help me figure it out, here is what it says, and here is also a list of ports i got open on debian 4.0 http://pastebin.ca/636469 http://pastebin.ca/636474 |
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| 23:03.40 | utopia_ | any solution for me stoned :) |
| 23:03.44 | stoned | !info sun-java5-plugin etch |
| 23:03.46 | dpkg | sun-java5-plugin: (The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0), section non-free/web, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 23:03.54 | zwox | is there a tool to calculate md5 from string |
| 23:03.58 | stoned | !tell utopia_ -about non-free |
| 23:04.04 | zwox | and to get string from md5 hash ? |
| 23:04.04 | Kjikaqawej | md5sum? ;) |
| 23:04.08 | bkw | How do I turn "Jul 28 00:23:24 mail4 modprobe: WARNING: Not loading blacklisted module ipv6" varning off so it don't flood my daemon.log? |
| 23:04.11 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: I have lost you. you stated " can't you configure this phpBB3 to use your internal mail server as smart host instead of sending the mail directly?"... does not this mean that I need to forward all requests to the work smtp server...but I still require a local smtp server like exim to do that? |
| 23:04.15 | krazykit | buchkurish, sounds more like it's a dalnet issue. i'd email the address listed in the error |
| 23:04.34 | utopia_ | stoned, ah thank's |
| 23:04.43 | zwox | i though about md5sum, but reading the manpage, i didn't found how to do XD |
| 23:04.58 | zwox | i though it can just calculate md5 hash from file |
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| 23:05.03 | MangosDebian | zwox: you couldnt figure out how to md5 something? |
| 23:05.03 | abrotman | zwox: echo string | md5sum |
| 23:05.20 | Kjikaqawej | boulbul: sendmail, i.e., the local mta command line tool |
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| 23:05.23 | stoned | utopia_: sure |
| 23:05.26 | buchkurish | krazykit: mm oki, yeah it never did that before |
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| 23:05.37 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: no, well, let me get back on track. you need phpBB3 to send mail to the outside, right? it asks for an smtp server to use, right? point it to the work smtp server, i'd say |
| 23:06.04 | level1 | Stupid question, how do I figure out if I'm using OSS or ALSA? I installed OSS at some point, but I don't know if that actually changed it. |
| 23:06.06 | zwox | abrotman: yes, i know i can do this, but is it possible to get the original string from the md5 hash later ? |
| 23:06.07 | ampex2 | should SATA software RAID5 with four drives be slower than a single driver for writes? |
| 23:06.07 | buchkurish | krazykit: oki dok, krazy i have another question |
| 23:06.22 | abrotman | zwox: uhm .. are you serious ? |
| 23:06.32 | MangosDebian | zwox: ....no..... |
| 23:06.33 | buchkurish | krazykit: i uploaded this file to my server, so i posted this link for people to download, they told me ya its a bit slow but its ok, but now we need to do virus scan, wtf? let me show u |
| 23:06.38 | blubberdiblub | karsten: do you happen to refer to the strict security setup i mentioned? |
| 23:06.44 | Kjikaqawej | zwox: go read the man page again. |
| 23:06.48 | ukine-server | anyone ever use dd to copy the backup ntfs boot sector over the first sector (where it should be)? grub overwrote it :( |
| 23:06.51 | MangosDebian | abrotman: easy now.... ;) |
| 23:07.05 | buchkurish | krazykit: http://pastebin.ca/636486 |
| 23:07.07 | zwox | Kjikaqawej: sorry, my question was a bit stupid, but i wanted to be sure |
| 23:07.10 | stoned | just boot with your windows cd and repair it |
| 23:07.33 | MangosDebian | zwox: well, if you find out how, I know a governement agency or two that has a job for ya |
| 23:08.08 | krazykit | buchkurish, i dunno. ask your server admin |
| 23:08.21 | Kjikaqawej | there's been collisions already with md5 - so i hear. dunno if it was confirmed, so don't take my word for it. |
| 23:08.23 | buchkurish | krazykit: what server admin? hehe i am the server admin |
| 23:08.25 | ukine-server | stoned, tried, a few times out of 10 fixboot screw up and, in a stroke of pure genius, writes a new fat12 boot sector to the volume (even if its ntfs) |
| 23:08.38 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: Ok, that is all clear. now I have done that...but I still can not send outside any emails outside the local area network... |
| 23:08.47 | zwox | MangosDebian: XD, in fact, i've got a friend who's telling me he could find a password "encrypted" with md5 algorythm |
| 23:09.01 | MangosDebian | Kjikaqawej: ive heard (read) the same. although a few collisions may not mean much hopefully |
| 23:09.05 | abrotman | ukine-server: i believe MS has a page about how to do this |
| 23:09.20 | MangosDebian | zwox: rainbow tables don't count |
| 23:09.22 | zwox | so i was a bit scared about security |
| 23:09.26 | Kjikaqawej | zwox: right. i have a bridge for sale. |
| 23:09.36 | krazykit | buchkurish, then i don't see why you need a virus scan. must be something you installed. |
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| 23:09.53 | stoned | ukine-server: ask also in ##windows |
| 23:10.00 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: yes .. there have been |
| 23:10.03 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: are there any error logs? on the phpBB3 box and/or on the mail server box? it might help to know why they claim they fail |
| 23:10.04 | ukine-server | kk |
| 23:10.09 | buchkurish | krazykit: hehe ok |
| 23:10.16 | Kjikaqawej | abrotman: collisions, or cracks? |
| 23:10.22 | abrotman | collisions |
| 23:10.23 | zwox | well, thank you |
| 23:10.53 | MangosDebian | Kjikaqawej: nobody would ever admit to a simple workaround/reversing. it would be devastating world wide |
| 23:10.56 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: what would you crack ? |
| 23:10.57 | buchkurish | krazykit: i really dont understand... |
| 23:11.01 | ukine-server | seen someone give instructions on how to do it from the command line in linux before thought i'd ask |
| 23:11.15 | buchkurish | krazykit: the only thing on my debian server is a webserver, but he scaned soething |
| 23:11.19 | buchkurish | krazykit: no idea what he scaned for? |
| 23:11.20 | MangosDebian | or rather simple way to collide reliably |
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| 23:11.22 | Kjikaqawej | me? a password i forgot |
| 23:11.25 | buchkurish | krazykit: http://pastebin.ca/636486 |
| 23:11.25 | krazykit | buchkurish, viruses, presumably |
| 23:11.35 | ukine-server | been searching for the past ~30-45 minutes. closest i've gotten is a demo of a program (bootmaster) that won't attempt to restore the backup w/o a $30 license key |
| 23:11.36 | Kjikaqawej | you barely have to ask that abrotman ;) |
| 23:11.39 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: ok, let me try to find it on the net |
| 23:12.00 | krazykit | buchkurish, yeah, dunno. i only host ftp, never http |
| 23:12.05 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: no .. i mean .. i don't think you could expand an md5sum to a string reliably |
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| 23:12.25 | Kjikaqawej | MangosDebian: reliable colliions AFAIK would eventually lead to the ability to crack it |
| 23:12.32 | karsten | blubberdiblub: No. |
| 23:12.41 | Kjikaqawej | abrotman: oh, no, probably not. not long enough |
| 23:12.50 | Kjikaqawej | abrotman: that's why you base64 it first |
| 23:13.04 | MangosDebian | abrotman: pretty sure its just a hash so it would be impossible other than perhaps a way to reliably find collions in short non exhaustive method |
| 23:13.18 | buchkurish | krazykit: oki dok thanks dude |
| 23:13.23 | ScReAm_bLuE | when i use Tar -file- -path- it gives me an error saying i must specify "-acdtrux" options, what is that ? |
| 23:13.34 | Kjikaqawej | ScReAm_bLuE: man tar |
| 23:13.50 | Kjikaqawej | or, tar --help | pager |
| 23:13.57 | ScReAm_bLuE | ah thanks |
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| 23:14.06 | MangosDebian | Kjikaqawej: well, I think "crack" in that case would mean easy to find collisions since there is no guessing the origin from one of the many hash "buckets" |
| 23:14.20 | Kjikaqawej | yes |
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| 23:14.58 | jakub_ | hi |
| 23:15.01 | jakub_ | please i hvate problem with libc6 |
| 23:15.05 | jakub_ | broken depencies |
| 23:15.16 | jakub_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.26 | buchkurish | jakub_: i would suggest writing problem in one line =) better service that way haha |
| 23:15.34 | jakub_ | ok thx |
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| 23:15.38 | jakub_ | and what i can do with it |
| 23:17.44 | eldowan | could someone help me with installing the nvidia drivers on lenny? module-assistant auto-install nvidia fails with the following log: http://pastebin.ca/636490 Any help is appreciated |
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| 23:19.50 | ampex2 | where is the bottleneck in current linux software raid 5 volumes? |
| 23:20.21 | streuner | jakub_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:20.23 | dondelelcaro | ampex2: the fact that you have to do the raid5 processing on the host cpu? |
| 23:20.27 | blubberdiblub | eldowan: seems you're using a 2.6.20 or higher kernel. that's because of licensing issues. one workaround would be to use a 2.6.18 kernel, another one to recompile your kernel without CONFIG_PARAVIRT support |
| 23:20.52 | dondelelcaro | ampex2: as far as whether it's able to keep up with the speed of the drives or not, that depends on the processor, the drives, the cards, etc. |
| 23:21.04 | Gokee2_Work | Anyone know of a way to make my computer serve me up a web based xserver like is at http://www.workspot.com/ without killing myself setting it up? |
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| 23:21.14 | MangosDebian | ampex2: unless your using old 500mb drives on a modern 2ghz+ cpu :) |
| 23:21.15 | ampex2 | The RAID 5 parity calculations on modern dual core CPUs are thousands of MB/sec |
| 23:21.18 | eldowan | blubberdiblub: aah, thats what the issue is. I was wondering about the message. I've got it working with 18-3-k7. I guess I'll keep my current kernel. |
| 23:21.21 | ampex2 | clearly the CPU isn't the bottleneck |
| 23:21.38 | ampex2 | and SATA drives have independent connections to the host adapter |
| 23:21.45 | buchkurish | can someone please tell me what this guy is talking about , http://pastebin.ca/636486 |
| 23:21.49 | ampex2 | and the drives can do 50-60MB/sec independently |
| 23:22.03 | MangosDebian | ampex2: sustained or burst? |
| 23:22.07 | ampex2 | sustained |
| 23:22.10 | MangosDebian | ampex2: sequential or random? |
| 23:22.18 | ampex2 | sequential |
| 23:22.20 | jelly-home | ampex2: can your bus do N*60MB/s? |
| 23:22.22 | MangosDebian | ampex2: stripped or non? |
| 23:22.33 | ampex2 | the bus is the chipset |
| 23:22.40 | ampex2 | Intel ICH7 |
| 23:22.46 | eldowan | buchkurish: I'm guessing just b1tching about a speed issue... |
| 23:22.52 | jelly-home | ampex2: only one controller? |
| 23:22.57 | blubberdiblub | eldowan: if you're not using paravirtualization, it wouldn't be a big deal to recompile without that, tho ;) |
| 23:23.05 | MangosDebian | i dont know wtf a ICH7 specs are :/ |
| 23:23.08 | buchkurish | eldowan: hehe oki =) thanks |
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| 23:23.29 | buchkurish | eldowan: he did scan for some bs... dunno how he did or what that does. .. .. or if he just scaned the file itself once downloaded |
| 23:24.01 | ampex2 | ICH7 has four independent 3Gb/sec SATA connections, and the link to the northbridge is 2GB/sec |
| 23:24.07 | jelly-home | ampex2: usually people that want to get good raid5 performance use lots of cheap PCIe SATA controller cards. |
| 23:24.11 | ampex2 | I don't believe that the bottleneck is the chipset |
| 23:24.18 | MangosDebian | ampex2: GB or gb? |
| 23:24.40 | eldowan | blubberdiblub: paravirtualization? I'd rather stick with stock kernels when a custom isn't *needed*. Thanks for the tip though. That really explains this: FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 23:24.40 | ampex2 | SATA is 3 gigabits/sec |
| 23:24.40 | MangosDebian | ampex2: i dont know either way, but thats one hell of a throughput |
| 23:24.53 | ampex2 | ICH7 to north bridge chipset is 2 gigabytes/sec |
| 23:24.57 | jelly-home | ampex2: and what ar the number that you get? |
| 23:25.06 | MangosDebian | !3000000000/8 |
| 23:25.07 | dpkg | 375000000 |
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| 23:25.11 | eldowan | buchkurish: I'm not sure about the pastebin entry at all either. It just seemed to me that he was venting that an AV scann isn't done in 2 secs flat |
| 23:25.12 | ampex2 | around 40MB/sec writes |
| 23:25.21 | ampex2 | slightly better reads |
| 23:25.25 | stoned | yo G |
| 23:25.26 | eldowan | ooh, dpkg does math too? how nifty |
| 23:25.27 | stoned | what up |
| 23:25.33 | ampex2 | Pentium D dual core 2.66GHz CPU |
| 23:25.37 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: you really want something like the following |
| 23:25.37 | ampex2 | 2GB DDR2 RAM |
| 23:25.42 | MangosDebian | so realistically about 300mb/s? |
| 23:25.49 | buchkurish | eldowan: haha oki dok, the forum i was at has a bunch of idiiots so oki .. =) thanks dude |
| 23:25.56 | eldowan | nada, just finding out that the nvidia installer doesn't work with the .20 kernel set. |
| 23:26.02 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: convert 3 gibibits/s to gibibytes/s |
| 23:26.03 | dpkg | 3 gibibits/s is approximately 0.375 gibibytes/s |
| 23:26.06 | eldowan | buchkurish: :D |
| 23:26.12 | ampex2 | MangosDebian: that's just the bus speed |
| 23:26.27 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: convert 3 gibibits/s to petabytes/year |
| 23:26.29 | dpkg | 3 gibibits/s is approximately 12.7065 petabytes/year |
| 23:26.34 | blubberdiblub | eldowan: yep, that's it. as far as i've read, it's because when compiling with paravirtualization, it uses different usleep code symbols, which are GPLed. that causes the conflict with the non-GPL nvidia module. |
| 23:26.34 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: ahh cool. remember seeing the conversion file, just never remember the command for it :) ty |
| 23:26.37 | stoned | man lo mein and fried chicken is not good for me, but damn, it tastes good |
| 23:26.51 | ampex2 | hdparm on /dev/sda - Timing buffered disk reads: 212 MB in 3.01 seconds = 70.44 MB/sec |
| 23:27.02 | stoned | soon i'll be 165 fatass |
| 23:27.26 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: convert 165 pounds to stones |
| 23:27.28 | dpkg | 165 pounds is approximately 11.7857 stones |
| 23:27.31 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: gibi = 1000 based? |
| 23:27.33 | ampex2 | but there's obviously a bottleneck somewhere with software raid 5 |
| 23:27.37 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: 2^10 based |
| 23:27.37 | stoned | stones? |
| 23:27.49 | eldowan | stoned: english/british weight system |
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| 23:27.58 | stoned | ah |
| 23:27.59 | eldowan | stoned: alternative to kilo |
| 23:28.32 | blubberdiblub | eldowan: there's even another workaround which involves changing modpost to accept the license mismatch ... but i'm not into that, tho |
| 23:28.36 | dondelelcaro | yeah, traditionally a person's weight in brittain is given in stones. I don't think they use that weight for anything else (besides stone throws and such) |
| 23:28.46 | stoned | well I mean |
| 23:28.58 | stoned | if she weighs as much as a duck, shes a .... A WITCH! |
| 23:29.01 | eldowan | blubberdiblub: oh well. I guess I wont use the .20 kernel. no biggie. |
| 23:29.15 | eldowan | stoned: but does she float? |
| 23:29.30 | stoned | maybe |
| 23:29.51 | MangosDebian | ampex2: wow, only 40mb/s on writes? |
| 23:30.09 | stoned | so .. where went the metric system, SI? |
| 23:30.19 | stoned | how come I never heard of stones |
| 23:30.23 | ampex2 | MangosDebian: I've seen similar results on two machines |
| 23:30.31 | ampex2 | MangosDebian: so it's not just a flike |
| 23:30.33 | ampex2 | fluke rather |
| 23:30.39 | stoned | where the hell have I been past few years I can't remember anything |
| 23:30.52 | eldowan | stoned: it is an older unit of measure, that is told to be falling out of favor with the younger generation, and estimated to be in rare use in the next decad |
| 23:30.59 | eldowan | s/decad/decade/ |
| 23:31.05 | MangosDebian | ampex2: how many drives are involved? |
| 23:31.08 | stoned | that explainbs it |
| 23:31.26 | ampex2 | MangosDebian: 3 on one system, 4 on another |
| 23:31.46 | MangosDebian | ampex2: same exact speed on both? |
| 23:31.54 | MangosDebian | well, within a mb/s or two |
| 23:32.29 | jelly-home | ampex2: which driver are you using? |
| 23:32.31 | ampex2 | MangosDebian: it's not exactly the same, but in the same ballpark, 5-10MB/sec difference in some situations |
| 23:32.52 | ampex2 | jelly-home: libata I believe |
| 23:32.55 | jelly-home | ampex2: (for the controller, I mean) |
| 23:33.12 | MangosDebian | ampex2: did you strip the data across the drives? how big are the strips? |
| 23:33.15 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: Ok, I could not find the error message that relates to sending email, but when I tried to change my email address on phpBB3, it came up with this message "Check email domain for valid MX record "... and it is with relation the the user's email validation.... does that tells you something? |
| 23:33.22 | jelly-home | ampex2: yeah, but which libata driver? :-) piix or ahci? |
| 23:33.25 | ampex2 | MangosDebian: It's RAID 5, and using a 64k chunk size |
| 23:33.35 | ampex2 | jelly: piix on one machine, AHCI on another, not much difference |
| 23:33.50 | jelly-home | ampex2: ahci is supposed to be better, anyho |
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| 23:34.56 | ampex2 | clearly linux software RAID 5 just sucks |
| 23:35.06 | jelly-home | it's not that clear |
| 23:35.17 | ampex2 | compared to hardware, yes it is |
| 23:35.21 | MangosDebian | ampex2: almost sounds like its maxing out one drive at a time or something and writing to others delayed. write-thru or caching apply to sata sw raid? |
| 23:35.25 | solitude| | raid5 will never be lightning fast anyway |
| 23:35.29 | ampex2 | 3ware blows it out of the water |
| 23:35.36 | ampex2 | with proper hardware it can be rather fast |
| 23:35.51 | solitude| | well, yes and no |
| 23:35.59 | jelly-home | ampex2: see eg. http://oss.sgi.com/archives/xfs/2007-01/msg00079.html |
| 23:36.04 | solitude| | raid5 was notdesigned for speed |
| 23:36.13 | solitude| | it was d esigned to reduce data loss while maximising space |
| 23:36.26 | solitude| | since you only need to use up 1 additional drive with parity |
| 23:36.32 | MangosDebian | ampex2: well, considering ive had a old p2-350x2 box with a hw raid that got around 40mb/s with scsi2 I would say your setup sucks as well :) |
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| 23:36.38 | solitude| | striped raid is the fast one >:D |
| 23:36.40 | ampex2 | solitude|: I realize that it doesn't compare to RAID 0 or RAID 1+0 in speed, etc. but with a proper hardware controller you definitely see better write speeds than a single drive can perform on it's own |
| 23:36.42 | cafuego | My software raid5 is no slower than speeds I get on a single disk |
| 23:36.48 | solitude| | oh yes, certainlu |
| 23:36.50 | solitude| | certainly* |
| 23:36.54 | ampex2 | MangosDebian: RAID 5? |
| 23:36.58 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: seems like something does indeed try to resolve the MX records. you could set up a simple DNS server for that. use bind if you want, but that's a biggie. you could try simpler alternatives like pdnsd or whatever. i don't think setting up an MTA would help, unless it's trying to use a local MTA _before_ trying to resolve MX (unlikely, although theoretically possible). |
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| 23:37.01 | solitude| | and itll be more apparent with more and more drives |
| 23:37.07 | jelly-home | cafuego: it should, however, be significantly faster for reads |
| 23:37.10 | MangosDebian | ampex2: yes, x6 drives (4 typically with 2 spares) |
| 23:37.33 | cafuego | jelly-home: With all drives on their cown controller, yes. |
| 23:37.42 | ampex2 | what I don't quite understand is why a hardware controller with a 200MHz CPU or something similar is faster than a dual core 2.6GHz CPU |
| 23:37.43 | MangosDebian | although ive rand a dosen different setups with it. but 40/s is all i could get out of fast scsi card |
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| 23:37.56 | jelly-home | cafuego: so, you blame his crappy onboard controller? |
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| 23:38.01 | cafuego | jelly-home: With a pata master+slave on the same channel in a single array, not so much :-) |
| 23:38.17 | MangosDebian | ampex2: SATA supports tagged queuing and all that scsi jazz right? |
| 23:38.34 | ampex2 | MangosDebian: none of which increases sequential performance, but yes |
| 23:38.42 | abrotman | rand ? |
| 23:38.48 | cafuego | jelly-home: If you have multiple devices sitting on the same controller channel needing to both seek and read, you have contention issues. |
| 23:38.53 | MangosDebian | ampex2: but your trying to write to 4 drives at the same time |
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| 23:39.11 | MangosDebian | ampex2: if you dont have disconnected operation then you only get one drive at a time |
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| 23:39.13 | Kwagmire | Kevin` Bogus8 Minataku digilink Hoxzer dezent d00gster subx Tristan Authority david-work MangosDebian Spec CalJohn sandwitc1 hydh oskie aadil flypiper Candre msn kloeri putridp Supaplex smi Gnea _w0rd54 premier_ VaLouille Dibbler_ xored`off Niklas- IRCArch jeef wastrod Alam_Debian hoxu BLarg SHS` TheMagician BotaniCar kauderwelsch funky alindeman Hydroxide Zenton_ ivorw__ chaoticflaws tvynr regis1 nacer DGnome ottomatic dansushi[server] |
| 23:39.13 | damog | Yay. |
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| 23:39.16 | Kjikaqawej | oh FFS |
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| 23:39.21 | Kjikaqawej | thank you stew |
| 23:39.21 | boulbul | blubberdiblub:if I install a dns server...would it interfere with work dns server at all |
| 23:39.25 | Spyro_boy | wow |
| 23:39.26 | Spyro_boy | fuck you |
| 23:39.28 | astinus | stew++ |
| 23:39.30 | damog | stew: thanks |
| 23:39.32 | cafuego | jelly-home: I had a spare pci ide card laying around, so all 4 drives are on their own channel. |
| 23:39.33 | SixF9 | silly kids |
| 23:39.35 | MangosDebian | ampex2: if you dont have disconnected operation then you only get one drive at a time |
| 23:39.36 | ampex2 | MangosDebian: each drive has it's own interface |
| 23:39.36 | Spyro_boy | stupid ass spammer |
| 23:39.41 | Minataku | I was wondering why someone would ask for me in here |
| 23:39.42 | jelly-home | ampex2: if your chip is really ICH7R, not ICH7, try putting into native (ahci?) mode in BIOS |
| 23:39.44 | Minataku | lol |
| 23:39.48 | SixF9 | Minataku: heh |
| 23:39.53 | ampex2 | jelly-home: doesn't matter, I've tried |
| 23:40.00 | jelly-home | cafuego: yay IDE :-) |
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| 23:40.04 | stoned | Minataku: whats up |
| 23:40.12 | cafuego | jelly-home: Well, a few ide plus two sata. |
| 23:40.18 | stoned | has anyone seen Minataku around? |
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| 23:40.24 | stoned | ;) |
| 23:40.32 | Minataku | lol |
| 23:40.35 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: depends on how you set it up. if you configure it carefully, there'll be no interferences. |
| 23:40.35 | jelly-home | cafuego: at least you not making the "all drives from the same batch" mistake |
| 23:40.40 | cafuego | jelly-home: ... but no ide on a same bus as say a dvd drive |
| 23:40.58 | cafuego | jelly-home: No, that I did on the production server ;-) |
| 23:41.00 | stoned | has anyone used nero for linux? |
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| 23:41.12 | MangosDebian | ampex2: but how does the chipset handle the seperate interfaces? does it allow to queue up multiple commands to all the drives or does it deal with one at a time? |
| 23:41.18 | explody | stoned: yeah, I prefer k3b |
| 23:41.20 | NicNac | why would I use nero I got a free alternative |
| 23:41.22 | stoned | yet...? I have. and I think its great |
| 23:41.29 | stoned | explody: I do too |
| 23:41.43 | level1 | Hi, I can in with a very cryptic error a couple minutes ago about my keyboard not working. I have a more specific error now |
| 23:41.46 | jakub_ | hi |
| 23:41.48 | jakub_ | now i have problem |
| 23:41.56 | lightning | explody: do you know how to burn avi's to play in a dvd player |
| 23:42.03 | jakub_ | my programs which run as me (nyty) dont have acess to lirc :\ why ? |
| 23:42.12 | wireddd | why would somone flood that of all things |
| 23:42.15 | cafuego | jakub_: device file permissions |
| 23:42.21 | jakub_ | aha |
| 23:42.22 | jakub_ | thx |
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| 23:42.32 | level1 | It appears that sometimes when I switch to an application, it does not respond to the keyboard, but when I switch to another app, type something, and switch back it works againn |
| 23:42.35 | explody | lightning: there are howtos about how to burn AVIs to VCD |
| 23:42.40 | stoned | kunwon1: nyst trabscire ut tgriyg nebcider furst tgeb di ut |
| 23:42.42 | stoned | oh wtf |
| 23:42.50 | stew | yay, its beer o'clock. happy friday, debianites |
| 23:42.54 | stoned | lightning: you need to transcode to VOB format first |
| 23:42.57 | stoned | stew: later man |
| 23:43.00 | lightning | i found the gentoo howto, but it's wicked long |
| 23:43.00 | MangosDebian | stew: woot |
| 23:43.10 | lightning | stoned: what program will code it to vob? |
| 23:43.18 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: i have used dnsmask before...what is the part that could damage the network |
| 23:43.18 | stoned | stew: happy drinking, I am stoning ! :D |
| 23:43.20 | explody | transcode |
| 23:43.24 | L3R4F | gn8 guyz |
| 23:43.25 | stoned | mencoder |
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| 23:43.33 | explody | what stoned said |
| 23:43.39 | jakub_ | nyty@sirius:~$ irw |
| 23:43.40 | jakub_ | connect: Permission denied |
| 23:43.41 | jakub_ | hmm :| |
| 23:43.47 | jelly-home | explody: stoning? |
| 23:43.55 | MangosDebian | ampex2: oh well. I don't know anything about sata yet but hopefully its just a chipset driver issue. hope you get it |
| 23:44.01 | lightning | i'll look into it |
| 23:44.03 | lightning | thanks |
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| 23:44.10 | jelly-home | jakub_: does your user have permissions to access whatever IR device in question? |
| 23:44.16 | jakub_ | yes |
| 23:44.21 | jakub_ | i added read to /dev |
| 23:44.23 | jakub_ | for anyone |
| 23:44.28 | explody | jelly-home: that wasn't me |
| 23:44.30 | stoned | lightning: also #mplayer |
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| 23:44.40 | jelly-home | jakub_: strace the process and pastebin the output |
| 23:44.42 | stoned | lightning: infact, it is best to ask in there about that than anywhere |
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| 23:45.09 | stoned | !seen rahul |
| 23:45.10 | dpkg | rahul is currently on #debian, last said: 'jelly doesn't respond well to patching'. |
| 23:45.11 | jakub_ | strace ? |
| 23:45.15 | jelly-home | jakub_: "Permission denied" sounds like (who'd tell!) permission problems |
| 23:45.25 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: with dnsmasq: nothing. it won't update to outside DNS. it just forwards its requests to them. that's safe. but i'm not sure if dnsmasq will help you with the MX problem. worth a try tho |
| 23:45.30 | jakub_ | do i must have +x ? |
| 23:45.31 | jelly-home | jakub_: "strace irw" |
| 23:45.42 | Kjikaqawej | jakub_: no |
| 23:46.09 | jakub_ | http://www.pastebin.cz/show/1616 |
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| 23:47.07 | jakub_ | i think /dev/lircd |
| 23:47.20 | jelly-home | jakub_: yes. you don't have permissions to access it. |
| 23:47.22 | jakub_ | root@sirius:/dev# l | grep lircd |
| 23:47.22 | jakub_ | srw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-07-28 00:59 lircd |
| 23:47.25 | jakub_ | i must have |
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| 23:48.08 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: anyways, there's indeed a possibility that installing an MTA could help. it could be due to php itself. it usually tries to use the sendmail link (which is supposed to point to your local MTA). maybe failing that, it tries to resolve MX? |
| 23:48.09 | jelly-home | jakub_: are you running irw as root? |
| 23:48.36 | jakub_ | n |
| 23:48.40 | jakub_ | now i`m running |
| 23:48.41 | jakub_ | i fix it |
| 23:48.43 | Kjikaqawej | sendmail is usually looked for in /usr/lib or /usr/sbin, as symlinks |
| 23:48.43 | jakub_ | okay it working |
| 23:48.47 | jakub_ | i added 777 to lirc |
| 23:48.50 | jakub_ | and it works :-) |
| 23:49.05 | Kjikaqawej | ugh |
| 23:49.09 | jelly-home | jakub_: that's not too smart, but acceptable if you're the only user |
| 23:49.17 | ampex2 | does lvm add much overhead/ |
| 23:49.18 | ampex2 | ? |
| 23:49.20 | jakub_ | yes |
| 23:49.20 | jakub_ | i think |
| 23:49.42 | jelly-home | jakub_: you probably don't need executable permissions tho |
| 23:49.50 | boulbul | blubberdiblub: I do not like sendmaill too much....scary staff... would exim do the job? |
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| 23:50.28 | jelly-home | jakub_: and maybe there are options for lircd to create the socket to be writable for a custom group, and then you could add yourself to that group |
| 23:50.31 | dondelelcaro | boulbul: /usr/lib/sendmail is just the interface to send mail; exim has /usr/lib/sendmail too |
| 23:50.35 | blubberdiblub | boulbul: well, sendmail is usually a symlink. if you install exim, the sendmail link points to exim, thus using exim in effect :) |
| 23:50.41 | Kjikaqawej | boulbul: sendmail is one of 2 things: either a subsitute name for the installed mta, or the actual sendmail |
| 23:50.45 | dondelelcaro | boulbul: so yes, exim would work, and you should use whatever MTA you want |
| 23:50.51 | Kjikaqawej | substitute* |
| 23:50.55 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.08 | Kjikaqawej | qrapmail |
| 23:51.19 | blubberdiblub | hehe |
| 23:51.59 | boulbul | dondelelcaro: thanks for the lesson |
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| 23:52.20 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: what, like postfix or exim? |
| 23:52.29 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: yup. |
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| 23:53.30 | boulbul | dondelelcaro: I am going to try it tomorrow... wich me good luck...and thanks a lot for the info...I realy enjoy it |
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| 23:57.06 | Guerin | Kjikaqawej: did you see my later comments about Jesus Camp? |
| 23:57.39 | Kjikaqawej | er, some |
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| 23:57.54 | o2T7 | !nvidia |
| 23:57.54 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 23:58.32 | lvmc | yeah |
| 23:58.39 | Kjikaqawej | no |
| 23:58.44 | Kjikaqawej | ;p |
| 23:59.00 | lvmc | how i can remove xserver-xorg-video-* packages withou remove xorg? |
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| 23:59.24 | Kjikaqawej | jsut remove the -all one; 'xorg' is a meta-package too |
| 23:59.28 | Kjikaqawej | just* |
| 23:59.41 | Guerin | Kjikaqawej: very subversive. Looks quite sympathetic to the krazy kristians on the surface, but isn't. |
| 23:59.51 | Guerin | and therefore worth watching |
| 23:59.54 | Kjikaqawej | aah ok |
