| 00:00.11 | simonrvn | odd |
| 00:00.33 | Wyzard | It's the "reading extended state information" that seems to be slow |
| 00:00.38 | Wyzard | and "initializing package states" |
| 00:01.01 | valdyn | 'debtags update' took just 3 seconds |
| 00:01.03 | stoned | yo |
| 00:01.06 | stoned | sup guys |
| 00:01.18 | Wyzard | When it's "initializing package states" I can see the number in the bottom-right corner counting up by tens, changing about once per second |
| 00:01.20 | rahul | dude |
| 00:01.22 | stoned | just so everyone knows, I love my new job. word. |
| 00:01.24 | rahul | man |
| 00:01.27 | Wyzard | 514... 524... 534... etc. |
| 00:01.31 | rahul | stoned: good to hear |
| 00:01.44 | stoned | rahul: I just messed around with debian all day |
| 00:01.50 | valdyn | ah, the curses interface.. |
| 00:01.56 | rahul | hehe cool |
| 00:02.07 | stoned | scheduled a few appointments with clients rahul man, and then just fixed two computers |
| 00:02.11 | stoned | mine |
| 00:02.11 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:02.12 | Wyzard | It's pegging my CPU too, while it's doing this |
| 00:02.15 | rahul | nice |
| 00:02.27 | valdyn | yea |
| 00:02.33 | rahul | stoned: wait... is your shop in queens? |
| 00:02.38 | stoned | flushing |
| 00:02.40 | rahul | cool |
| 00:02.40 | stoned | main st. |
| 00:02.44 | rahul | heh nice |
| 00:02.52 | stoned | you should come by |
| 00:02.52 | rahul | I can imagine what you get for lunch :) |
| 00:03.02 | stoned | heh, no I actually don't eat out much |
| 00:03.02 | rahul | it's hella far |
| 00:03.18 | stoned | the desi food is too far away |
| 00:03.36 | rahul | ah, ok |
| 00:03.46 | rahul | it's like an hour's train ride for me |
| 00:04.12 | rahul | I'll send jules, et al your way next time their computers misbehave, tho |
| 00:04.29 | stoned | bah |
| 00:04.34 | rahul | haha |
| 00:04.39 | stoned | now you know how I feel trying to get over to your place |
| 00:04.45 | rahul | heh |
| 00:04.47 | stoned | almost 1+ hour train ride |
| 00:04.50 | rahul | yeah, but my place is cooler :) |
| 00:04.58 | stoned | and you want me to come over like every week |
| 00:04.59 | stoned | its bs |
| 00:05.01 | stoned | ;) |
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| 00:05.18 | stoned | so I installed sid on my personal machine at work |
| 00:05.20 | rahul | there's shit going on in manhattan every week. what can I say? :) |
| 00:05.24 | stoned | did some beryl, and people were like, whoah! |
| 00:05.27 | rahul | haha |
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| 00:05.34 | stoned | random orgasms man |
| 00:05.40 | stoned | they were like omg, vista sucks |
| 00:05.43 | stoned | I said yessir it does |
| 00:05.53 | fsteves | Whats the trick to mounting filesystem.squashfs as a r/w FS instead of read-only |
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| 00:06.06 | stoned | mount -o rw? |
| 00:06.12 | stoned | i dunno |
| 00:06.13 | fsteves | I am trying to chroot the live CD to make mods |
| 00:06.15 | fsteves | Tried that |
| 00:06.34 | stoned | squashf |
| 00:06.36 | fsteves | I can view everything, but even with -o rw,loop |
| 00:06.36 | Wyzard | fsteves: I don't think squashfs supports writing |
| 00:06.39 | stoned | sounds like someone sat on my computer |
| 00:06.44 | fsteves | hmm |
| 00:06.47 | stoned | would you like a squashfs? |
| 00:06.51 | stoned | I just made it fresh |
| 00:06.54 | cafuego | fsteves: uncompress it, mount as read-write via loopback |
| 00:06.56 | krazykit | fsteves: squashfs isn't really meant to be rw. i was under the impression that you copy everything to an rw fs, edit, then remake |
| 00:07.05 | fsteves | ok |
| 00:07.08 | fsteves | my mistake |
| 00:07.10 | Wyzard | fsteves: http://squashfs.sourceforge.net/ -- "SQUASHFS - a squashed read-only filesystem for Linux" |
| 00:07.32 | zaius | hi all, i had a backport of vim on sarge, and now when i upgraded to etch and try to reinstall, i get this error: http://pastie.caboo.se/75556 |
| 00:07.39 | fsteves | So mount it and copy it to an ext3 FS, THEN chroot and modify it |
| 00:07.43 | fsteves | and recompress it |
| 00:08.06 | abrotman | zaius: right .. it's been replaced |
| 00:08.12 | Wyzard | You don't necessarily need to chroot, but yes |
| 00:08.19 | abrotman | zaius: vim-tiny should at least suffice .. vim-full is also there |
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| 00:08.29 | stoned | zaius: so install vim-gui-common and vim-gtk or vim-gnome |
| 00:08.32 | stoned | or whatever you want |
| 00:08.44 | stoned | you can't just install vim, you have to specify which vim package you want, apaprantly |
| 00:08.49 | zaius | abrotman: i get the same message on vim-full and vim-tiny too |
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| 00:09.23 | abrotman | zaius: apt-cache policy vim-timy |
| 00:09.28 | abrotman | vim-tiny |
| 00:09.35 | fsteves | Wyzard: Well, in order to install new packages, wouldnt I want ot chroot |
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| 00:10.10 | zaius | abrotman: check the pastie again |
| 00:10.39 | abrotman | same number? |
| 00:10.57 | zaius | yep |
| 00:11.06 | abrotman | uhm .. it's not coming up here |
| 00:11.18 | abrotman | zaius: paste your sources.list also |
| 00:11.36 | zaius | oh, my mistake: http://pastie.caboo.se/75559 |
| 00:11.40 | Wyzard | fsteves: For installing packages you could use dpkg's --root option |
| 00:12.12 | abrotman | zaius: but aptitude install vim-tiny doesn't owrk ? |
| 00:12.30 | kritical | Can anyone tell me where to configure where administrative email is getting sent? |
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| 00:13.44 | zaius | !! |
| 00:13.45 | dpkg | somebody said ! was I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 00:13.53 | zaius | abrotman: thanks! aptitude worked! |
| 00:13.55 | Wyzard | kritical: "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" lets you speicfy where mail for root gets sent |
| 00:14.15 | fsteves | Wyzard: Gotcha, because I dont have network support when I chroot |
| 00:14.31 | kritical | Wyzard, cheers |
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| 00:14.39 | abrotman | zaius: you might want to clean your backport off the system .. the release notes say to remove backports before doing the dist-upgrade |
| 00:14.42 | Wyzard | fsteves: chrooting shouldn't affect network support, though you might need to copy over your /etc/resolv.conf so DNS works |
| 00:15.43 | x_link | Sorry for asking again, but does anybody know how if there is any command that will put some load on my CPU? |
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| 00:15.49 | zaius | abrotman: yeah i forgot i'd iinstalled from a backport. do i have to do anything extra to completely clean it off? |
| 00:16.03 | abrotman | zaius: dpkg -l vim* .. is it still there ? |
| 00:16.08 | Wyzard | x_link: "yes" |
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| 00:16.11 | Mika-chan | Is there a way to make the GStreamer Volume applet retain the setting between reboots? It jumps back to 100% and scares the heck out of me while blasting my eardrums. |
| 00:16.14 | x_link | Wyzard: Which command? |
| 00:16.30 | Wyzard | x_link: Open a shell and run type "yes" :-) |
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| 00:17.04 | x_link | Wyzard: 50% |
| 00:17.09 | zaius | abrotman: rc means removed right? |
| 00:17.12 | x_link | Wyzard: Do you know anything that will put more load? |
| 00:17.15 | zaius | abrotman: rc vim 7.0-094+1~bpo.1 Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor |
| 00:17.20 | abrotman | zaius: it means it's been removed but conf files remain |
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| 00:17.52 | Wyzard | x_link: apt-cache show stress |
| 00:18.02 | grendal_prime | dd worked great |
| 00:18.10 | grendal_prime | thanks guys |
| 00:18.39 | Wyzard | x_link: If it's 50%, though, that could mean you have a dual-core system, in which case one instance of "yes" will load only one CPU |
| 00:18.44 | Wyzard | x_link: You could just run two |
| 00:19.02 | x_link | Wyzard: ohh ok |
| 00:19.10 | x_link | Wyzard: Open two terminals an write "yes" on both? |
| 00:19.14 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 00:19.20 | x_link | Wyzard: Do you know how to run "stress" ? |
| 00:19.26 | Wyzard | not offhand, but the manpage will tell you |
| 00:19.36 | x_link | Wyzard: Okej |
| 00:19.50 | Wyzard | "yes" is fine for informal testing though -- aside from minimal time blocked for I/O, it should use all the available time on a single CPU |
| 00:20.03 | zaius | abrotman: cool, thanks for the help |
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| 00:20.21 | x_link | Wyzard: 98% =) |
| 00:20.22 | stoned | what tool can I use to run a surface scan on a hdd regarless of the FS on it. Don't want to do any kind of a destructive test. |
| 00:20.23 | Wyzard | "yes > /dev/null" should reduce the I/O blocking a bit |
| 00:20.32 | stoned | simply a badblocks scan? |
| 00:20.35 | stoned | or what? |
| 00:20.51 | abrotman | zaius: you're welcome |
| 00:21.06 | Wyzard | stoned: badblocks in read-only (the default) or non-destructive write (-n) mode |
| 00:21.18 | simonrvn | oh yes, it is slow, "Initializing package states ...1%" |
| 00:21.21 | stoned | ok |
| 00:21.25 | stoned | Wyzard: thanks |
| 00:21.43 | simonrvn | yes | command |
| 00:21.59 | x_link | Wyzard: I wanted to see my CPU temp under 100% load. |
| 00:22.17 | Wyzard | x_link: You might be interested in the "cpuburn" program for that |
| 00:22.19 | simonrvn | ok, after about 45 seconds, it's at 10% |
| 00:22.19 | stoned | mine is around 45-50C tops |
| 00:22.31 | simonrvn | arg |
| 00:22.31 | Wyzard | x_link: if you want to see maximum temperature rather than typical |
| 00:22.36 | stoned | idle is around 30-40C |
| 00:22.40 | Arafangion | x_link: Alternatively, consider calculating a googleplex in python ;) |
| 00:22.41 | x_link | Wyzard: Okej. |
| 00:22.52 | x_link | Arafangion: Don't understand what you mean? |
| 00:22.59 | Arafangion | x_link: In the python interpreter: 10**10**100 :) |
| 00:23.01 | fsteves | Wyzard: Where is a good place to look at using dpkg --root and downloading the packages and dependancies |
| 00:23.12 | x_link | Arafangion: Sorry, I didn't understand that either =/ |
| 00:23.18 | x_link | Arafangion: I'm a total newb |
| 00:23.33 | Wyzard | fsteves: "dpkg --root" should be straightforward, just use "-i" and give it the .deb like usual |
| 00:23.36 | Arafangion | x_link: Python is a scripting language. |
| 00:23.42 | Wyzard | fsteves: For downloading dependencies, you'll need to do that manually, I guess |
| 00:23.45 | stoned | x_link: on shell, type python, in the python prompt, from math import *, 10**10**100 |
| 00:23.56 | Arafangion | stoned: No need for math import, even. |
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| 00:24.20 | Roey | Fuck! |
| 00:24.20 | stoned | its the proper way |
| 00:24.26 | Roey | Fuck Openwriter, fuck oo.o! ARG |
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| 00:24.37 | stoned | no thanks, I'd rather fuck a woman |
| 00:24.39 | Roey | crashes on me every time I use it for anything longer than two paragraphs, piece of garbage. |
| 00:24.43 | Roey | hey stoned |
| 00:24.50 | Roey | oh, |
| 00:24.50 | krazykit | Roey: abiword? |
| 00:24.55 | Roey | it's not crashing, it's /freezing/ |
| 00:24.57 | stoned | Roey: you can use abiword, gnome office, koffice |
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| 00:25.02 | Arafangion | x_link: Kill it quickly, 10 raised to the 10th power, raised to the 100th power, is damn large number, and will likely use up all your memory, but it WILL max your CPU utilization ;) |
| 00:25.03 | Roey | krazykit: abiword doesn't show .odt support here |
| 00:25.08 | Roey | and koffice is garbage just as bad. |
| 00:25.09 | Roey | for me. |
| 00:25.16 | Roey | nah |
| 00:25.20 | Roey | I shoulda done this in straight-up jed. |
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| 00:25.22 | Arafangion | I've had abiword literally loose images :( |
| 00:25.25 | Roey | that doesn't screw up for me. |
| 00:25.30 | Roey | Arafangion: :( |
| 00:25.31 | Arafangion | Roey: I'm a LaTeX guy myself. |
| 00:25.34 | stoned | !enter |
| 00:25.34 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
| 00:25.44 | Ubuntu-Craft | :-* |
| 00:25.48 | Arafangion | Roey: But the reast of teh uni is a windows world :( |
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| 00:25.55 | Roey | oh god, Windows. |
| 00:26.08 | Roey | at least Word doesn't freeze up inexplicably like OpenOffice Writer. |
| 00:26.13 | Arafangion | Roey: My tutor for Web Design and Programming didn't even know *what* Apache was! |
| 00:26.22 | Roey | HEH |
| 00:26.25 | Roey | hmm |
| 00:26.26 | stoned | let me guess |
| 00:26.30 | Arafangion | Roey: Everybody just uses IIS, you know. |
| 00:26.39 | stoned | he probably didn't teach beyond the basics of those two either |
| 00:26.44 | Roey | seriously, this Oowriter is frozen. How do I know if it's actually thinking? strace? |
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| 00:27.02 | Roey | Arafangion: We use it internally, but our DMZ server is still apache. Over my dead body they'll replace it. |
| 00:27.22 | stoned | mine still runs 1.3 |
| 00:27.29 | stoned | its solid |
| 00:27.42 | Roey | 20:31:18 administrative sudo strace -p 7490 |
| 00:27.42 | Roey | Process 7490 attached - interrupt to quit |
| 00:27.42 | Roey | futex(0x2b6ff38, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL |
| 00:27.44 | Roey | that's (1) |
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| 00:27.50 | x_link | Wyzard: Oppps. my screen freezed =) |
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| 00:27.52 | Roey | ok |
| 00:27.57 | Roey | there are two processes there, |
| 00:27.59 | Roey | and they're both stalling. |
| 00:28.01 | Arafangion | I find 1.3 slow :( (But... That was on OpenBSD... Which is slow!) |
| 00:28.06 | Mika-chan | Is there a way to make the GStreamer Volume applet retain the setting between reboots? It jumps back to 100% and scares the heck out of me while blasting my eardrums. |
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| 00:28.40 | Arafangion | Roey: Kill one, hopefully hte least neccessary. |
| 00:28.44 | x_link | Off to bed. |
| 00:28.52 | x_link | Wyzard: Thanks for the help, I really appreicate it alot! |
| 00:28.56 | x_link | Good night! |
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| 00:31.36 | kamui | anyone know a howto on setting up my ati 7000's dualheaded display wihtout losing aiglx in debian etch? |
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| 00:33.54 | stoned | ati/fglrx doesn't do aiglx afaik |
| 00:34.11 | stoned | you can get dualhead easy though |
| 00:34.13 | stoned | !xinerama |
| 00:34.13 | dpkg | it has been said that xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
| 00:34.37 | abrotman | eh .. i didn't think that aiglx worked with dualhead |
| 00:34.50 | stoned | ati drivers don't do composite either |
| 00:35.13 | stew | there is no reason to use fglrx with a 7000, that is supported (with composite) by the radeon driver |
| 00:35.27 | stoned | ahh word then |
| 00:35.37 | abrotman | no .. i mean . i didn't think aiglx worked at all with dualhead |
| 00:35.39 | kamui | stoned, Im getting aiglx right now on the 7000 with the out of the box drivers |
| 00:35.48 | abrotman | kamui: don't |
| 00:36.00 | kamui | don't... |
| 00:36.07 | stoned | I was talking about the prprietary driver |
| 00:36.10 | stoned | fglrx |
| 00:36.20 | kamui | aah, yea, I'd have to use xgl with the prop. driver |
| 00:36.20 | abrotman | you have no need for fglrx |
| 00:36.26 | kamui | I dont' even think it works wiht the 7000 |
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| 00:36.51 | kamui | abrotman, can I get xinerama and aiglx working together? or is there a flag I can pass the ati driver like nvidia has twinview |
| 00:37.00 | kamui | err, option |
| 00:37.13 | kamui | right now Im just getting a mirrored display |
| 00:37.16 | kamui | quite useless |
| 00:37.17 | abrotman | kamui: i thought i read there was an issue .. but i can't find evidence now |
| 00:38.14 | stoned | The only ati card I ever owned is this X1900 XTX, and I have to use fglrx if I want 3D accel |
| 00:38.41 | stoned | it doesn't work with any other drivers for 3D and this doesn't do composite fucking piece of shit |
| 00:38.59 | stoned | the card is well capable innit? Just the drivers don't do jack |
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| 00:40.28 | abrotman | kamui: i see many mentions of it .. some fairly recently .. it might still be true |
| 00:40.42 | stew | stoned: the free drivers for that card will get 3d support soon enough |
| 00:40.52 | stoned | sweet |
| 00:40.55 | stew | well, soon, whether its soon enough is up to you i guess |
| 00:40.57 | krazykit | stoned: precisely the reason i bought an nvidia card recently |
| 00:41.31 | stoned | stew: I don't care, I was planning on selling this machine, but I'll keep it and just give it so some family member when I build a new one, and I'm never buying ATI again, no matter what. |
| 00:41.44 | krazykit | though i wish intel made a higher-end card. |
| 00:41.52 | stoned | that would be nice |
| 00:41.57 | abrotman | krazykit: depending on your needs .. they're fine |
| 00:42.17 | stoned | and I actually do want a new machine, cuz I dislike my video card, and my cpu is cheap |
| 00:42.20 | Roey | abrotman: hi! |
| 00:42.22 | stoned | I need a better cpu |
| 00:42.23 | krazykit | abrotman: the i810+ are ok, but i occasionally find them lacking |
| 00:42.35 | Roey | oh god, it's Abrotman AND stew AND stoned AND krazykit in here at the same time. |
| 00:42.41 | Roey | It's like some sort of #debian orgasm. |
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| 00:42.49 | krazykit | what |
| 00:42.52 | abrotman | Roey: only for you |
| 00:43.02 | krazykit | abrotman just doesn't want to admit it |
| 00:43.05 | abrotman | krazykit: i have an 830\ |
| 00:43.13 | Roey | abrotman: only mwilson is missing now |
| 00:43.31 | Roey | abrotman: anyway, happy fourth of july :) |
| 00:43.35 | stoned | I love kwin baghira |
| 00:43.38 | Roey | and to the rest of you too :) |
| 00:43.44 | abrotman | Roey: i'm sure we can get someone to go mwilson on your ass :) |
| 00:43.49 | Roey | LOL |
| 00:43.52 | stoned | I dunno why, and up until I hated the mac interface, then I realized, I dislike the interface, not the look. |
| 00:43.53 | krazykit | it isn't even the third of july :-/ |
| 00:44.04 | stoned | oh yeh, its 4th of july comin up soon eh |
| 00:44.10 | Roey | stoned: it's practically tomorrow. |
| 00:44.26 | Roey | since by my time here (20:48) it's effectively Tuesday. |
| 00:44.28 | stoned | I wonder what movies will be out |
| 00:44.34 | Roey | (transformers?) |
| 00:44.35 | Roey | heh |
| 00:44.37 | stoned | hell yeah |
| 00:44.40 | Roey | :) |
| 00:44.44 | stoned | robots in disguise! |
| 00:44.50 | krazykit | i'm working on the 4th :-( |
| 00:44.56 | Roey | autobots, roll out! |
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| 00:45.00 | stoned | I'm probably working too |
| 00:45.03 | stoned | I don't mind though |
| 00:45.04 | Roey | krazykit: you're getting overtime? |
| 00:45.06 | abrotman | that movie is going to be awful |
| 00:45.12 | stoned | I do at work what I usually do at home |
| 00:45.13 | Roey | krazykit: or better yet, you'll be able to time-shift your vacation |
| 00:45.37 | stoned | with only less dopage and more computers to mess with |
| 00:45.39 | krazykit | Roey: no. i'm doing field work studying some plants. |
| 00:45.43 | krazykit | salaried. |
| 00:45.53 | stoned | haha |
| 00:45.56 | stoned | thats awesome |
| 00:46.03 | stoned | plants kick ass man, they really do |
| 00:46.04 | krazykit | echinacea angustofolium |
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| 00:46.16 | stoned | which one is that, common name? |
| 00:46.21 | abrotman | isn't that the little hedgehog though ? |
| 00:46.32 | krazykit | um |
| 00:46.39 | krazykit | it's related to purple coneflower |
| 00:46.48 | stoned | oh word man word |
| 00:46.55 | abrotman | echineadea maybe ? |
| 00:47.09 | stoned | I've always liked botony, but I never did get into a lot of biology |
| 00:47.25 | nephtes | The animal is "echidna" |
| 00:47.26 | abrotman | i give up |
| 00:47.28 | stew | i think i have purple coneflower volunteers in my garden |
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| 00:47.28 | abrotman | that one! |
| 00:47.32 | stoned | I mostly spent my years messing around with computers |
| 00:47.38 | abrotman | !nephtes++ |
| 00:47.51 | krazykit | i run debian and have a tech support job at school, yet i'm a bio major! |
| 00:47.55 | krazykit | i need to learn R though. |
| 00:47.58 | stew | krazykit: http://vireo.org/tmp/img_0610.jpg is that a purple coneflower? |
| 00:48.28 | stoned | hey I think my monitor is shaking |
| 00:48.29 | krazykit | yep |
| 00:48.34 | krazykit | hasn't flowered yet though |
| 00:48.41 | krazykit | has an indented head, too |
| 00:48.54 | krazykit | here is my plant http://gallery.thephlogiston.com/v/josh/minnesota/IMG_0632.JPG.html |
| 00:48.57 | stoned | the image/desktop is kinda shaking or slightly vibrating near the edges of the monitor |
| 00:49.00 | stoned | whats up with this/ |
| 00:49.05 | julian_demarchi | refresh rate |
| 00:49.10 | julian_demarchi | power supply interference |
| 00:49.14 | nephtes | Ooooh purty |
| 00:49.23 | _RedShift_ | krazykit, i run debian, im a computer programmer in the us air force, yet im a chem major |
| 00:49.26 | krazykit | and an awesome green bee |
| 00:49.37 | abrotman | krazykit: that's a bug! |
| 00:49.37 | nephtes | Purtier: http://www.wisdomoftheelders.org/prog203/images/echinacea_angustifolia_swsbm.jpg |
| 00:49.43 | stoned | I'm on at 1600x1200@75Hz |
| 00:49.49 | stoned | 75 is bad? |
| 00:49.50 | nephtes | It's not a bug it's a feature |
| 00:49.51 | krazykit | abrotman: not a true bug |
| 00:50.05 | julian_demarchi | no 75hz is not bad. |
| 00:50.15 | stew | stoned: isn't that effect that everyone is installing non-free drivers to get? vibrating desktop? |
| 00:50.20 | stoned | I could do 1024x768@115Hz |
| 00:50.30 | stoned | stew: lol, no not that kind |
| 00:50.32 | abrotman | flourescent lights do it too! |
| 00:50.34 | julian_demarchi | My mointor shakes in the corners to. |
| 00:50.54 | stoned | I like higher refresh rates, but I like a bigger desktop more |
| 00:51.03 | julian_demarchi | thought it was my refresh rate, but to lazy to look into. Thought it was refresh rate. |
| 00:51.08 | stoned | it would be nice to have 120Hz on 1600x1200 |
| 00:51.19 | stoned | or better |
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| 00:51.34 | julian_demarchi | i am running 1920X1440 @ 60hz |
| 00:51.36 | stoned | or whatever man, just better than what I got right now |
| 00:51.40 | stoned | ouch, I can't stand 60 |
| 00:51.50 | Wyzard | stoned: Get an LCD -- they don't flicker even at low refresh rates |
| 00:51.52 | julian_demarchi | its ok at work. But shaky corners. |
| 00:51.54 | stew | all of the monitors in my house run 60 |
| 00:52.22 | stoned | whoah |
| 00:52.29 | stoned | my desktop is nice and big, it didn't stop shaking |
| 00:52.37 | stoned | but everything is huge now, and its much smoother though |
| 00:52.47 | stoned | why? is 60 better? |
| 00:52.56 | stoned | I'm on at a 100Hz right now |
| 00:53.04 | nephtes | 60 is awful |
| 00:53.18 | nephtes | Although some people don't seem to notice the difference |
| 00:53.20 | Wyzard | stoned: No, just that refresh rate doesn't really matter on an LCD |
| 00:53.25 | abrotman | i don't |
| 00:53.32 | Wyzard | stoned: (except as an upper limit on the framerate of games, but even 60 is fine for that) |
| 00:53.45 | Wyzard | stoned: so you can have high resolutions without flicker |
| 00:53.45 | krazykit | abrotman: here's your bug http://gallery.thephlogiston.com/v/josh/minnesota/IMG_0573.JPG.html |
| 00:53.49 | stoned | hey it stopped shaking |
| 00:53.57 | stew | i get 60 fps in nethack/angband |
| 00:54.24 | Wyzard | stew: ToME ftw :-P |
| 00:54.38 | stoned | I went down to 1200x1024 |
| 00:54.44 | stoned | 85hz |
| 00:54.52 | julian_demarchi | stopped the shaking? |
| 00:54.55 | stoned | yup |
| 00:54.58 | stoned | no more shake |
| 00:55.01 | stoned | anywhere |
| 00:55.07 | julian_demarchi | might give that a go. But l like the big desktop. |
| 00:55.08 | stoned | and its a lot smoother too |
| 00:55.11 | julian_demarchi | hard choice |
| 00:55.17 | stew | Wyzard: can i use rogue like keybindings? otherwise i'll never play |
| 00:55.19 | stoned | I know |
| 00:55.33 | abrotman | krazykit: i hate those things :) |
| 00:55.35 | Wyzard | stew: Yes, that's an option |
| 00:55.42 | krazykit | man. i run 1024x768. |
| 00:55.44 | krazykit | stupid cheap lcd. |
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| 00:55.48 | julian_demarchi | lol |
| 00:55.53 | stoned | thats why I don't want an lcd |
| 00:55.56 | Wyzard | stew: apt-cache show tome |
| 00:56.06 | julian_demarchi | i ma thinking bout runnig dual 22inch widescreen lcds |
| 00:56.07 | stoned | the bigger/better ones are way too expensive atm |
| 00:56.08 | krazykit | i don't have space on my dorm's desk for a crt. |
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| 00:56.41 | stoned | I have dual 19" flatscreen crts |
| 00:56.44 | stoned | 3200x1200 |
| 00:56.48 | julian_demarchi | fuck |
| 00:56.51 | julian_demarchi | thats nice as |
| 00:56.56 | rahul | ... fuck |
| 00:56.58 | rahul | heh |
| 00:57.18 | Wyzard | stoned: Dell 2007WFP is $400 USD for 20" 1680x1050 |
| 00:57.20 | rahul | if you're going dual, don't have both be widescreens |
| 00:57.26 | rahul | not much point |
| 00:57.42 | krazykit | rahul: it's like having 3 screens though! |
| 00:57.57 | rahul | three small screens |
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| 00:58.11 | stoned | at work I have 4 19" flat panels lcd that do no WS, but 1200x1024 |
| 00:58.13 | julian_demarchi | thats why u go the 22inch |
| 00:58.21 | rahul | heh |
| 00:58.27 | nephtes | Bah |
| 00:58.38 | stoned | my boss has a 24" |
| 00:58.40 | nephtes | Big screens are just compensation for a poor window manager |
| 00:58.40 | rahul | my desk isn't that big :P |
| 00:58.47 | rahul | nephtes: not at all |
| 00:58.49 | julian_demarchi | Nothing wrong with gnome |
| 00:58.53 | stoned | no they are not |
| 00:58.58 | krazykit | except for metacity being junk |
| 00:59.06 | rahul | you need a better WM to use bigger screens effectively |
| 00:59.11 | nephtes | Heh, pay no attention, just sour grapes |
| 00:59.12 | dkr | nephtes: also makes for multi-purpose, I can watch movies and game on 24", :) |
| 00:59.15 | krazykit | xfwm4 is far better |
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| 00:59.40 | rahul | gnome is metacity plus a bunch of useless apps |
| 00:59.48 | julian_demarchi | oki, what u recommended? |
| 00:59.53 | krazykit | xfce is my choice for a full desktop environment |
| 00:59.54 | rahul | julian_demarchi: anything. |
| 01:00.06 | rahul | who needs a "full" desktop? |
| 01:00.09 | krazykit | i just run e17 though. |
| 01:00.15 | rahul | I'd rather keep it empty to leave room for my apps :) |
| 01:00.23 | stoned | I'd like to be able to sit my chair, and my entire room, walls, floor and ceiling all turn into displays and I can open apps and stuff, and just talk as input of mouse/key (100% voice recognition), and I can movie apps and windows around from wall to wall or floor or cieling wherever I want |
| 01:00.35 | rahul | stoned: multitouch! |
| 01:00.39 | nephtes | Here's a cookie |
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| 01:01.22 | krazykit | stoned: but what if you type faster than you talk |
| 01:01.25 | rahul | stoned: hrm, it looks like next week is basically empty |
| 01:02.22 | stoned | this is how I wanna talk to the computer. "hey computer dude, start firefox. go to debian.org. play that deathmetal cd I was listening to last night, go to the debian freenode channel and identify me too. |
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| 01:02.52 | julian_demarchi | lol |
| 01:03.05 | n3kl__ | What do I need for cpu frequency scaling |
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| 01:03.27 | rahul | go into the kitchen and make me some pie! |
| 01:03.33 | Dewi | stoned: the problem is, if we made computers smart enough to figure out everything you meant, they'd also be smart enough to say "do it yourself, fool" |
| 01:03.34 | rahul | n3kl__: apt-cache search cpufreq |
| 01:03.43 | abrotman | rahul: use sawfish! |
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| 01:03.49 | rahul | abrotman: ! |
| 01:03.57 | abrotman | rahul: & |
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| 01:04.09 | nephtes | sudo make me some pie |
| 01:04.09 | rahul | kill -CONT rahul |
| 01:04.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:04.20 | stoned | dude |
| 01:04.23 | rahul | heh |
| 01:04.25 | stoned | thats an o? |
| 01:04.32 | stoned | damn I just ... nm |
| 01:04.41 | rahul | stoned: confused, eh? :) |
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| 01:04.51 | stoned | no this damn font, this o looked like a u |
| 01:04.57 | stoned | and I thought you were calling yourself a name |
| 01:04.58 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:05.00 | rahul | haha |
| 01:05.45 | abrotman | what makes you think i'm confused ? |
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| 01:06.11 | krazykit | stoned: obviously you need a better font |
| 01:06.22 | demoncorsair | how is /var/lib/dpkg/status created |
| 01:06.40 | demoncorsair | mind you running from a gentoo base system trying to install pidgin-2.0.2 |
| 01:07.08 | krazykit | demoncorsair: er... what. |
| 01:07.22 | rahul | abrotman: the fact that you think you're not confused |
| 01:07.25 | krazykit | you're installing a debian package on gentoo? |
| 01:07.45 | rahul | abrotman: although, you're not as confused as demoncorsair |
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| 01:08.43 | demoncorsair | pidgin-2.0.2 for gentoo is trying to be compiled from sources and it says requires libavahi-glib and non-existent in portage |
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| 01:09.05 | Wyzard | demoncorsair: What does portage have to do with Debian? |
| 01:09.22 | stew | demoncorsair: please go to #gentoo for help with gentoo. |
| 01:09.54 | demoncorsair | debian has libavahi-glib which is needed for the new pidgin/gaim and I have the .deb but it tells me that /var/lib/dpkg/statsus doesn't exist |
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| 01:10.25 | stew | demoncorsair: if you aren't running debian, we can't help you, sorry |
| 01:10.30 | demoncorsair | k thnks |
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| 01:18.40 | n3kl__ | rahul: do I need to load a module or something for cpufreq? |
| 01:18.52 | rahul | maybe |
| 01:18.59 | rahul | or it might be loaded automagicall |
| 01:18.59 | rahul | y |
| 01:19.42 | krazykit | n3kl__: depends on the processor |
| 01:20.01 | krazykit | if you have a celeron-m (p4-based) you need to manually modprove p4_clockmod |
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| 01:20.32 | krazykit | other processors should load the proper module automagicall |
| 01:20.33 | krazykit | y |
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| 01:21.23 | n3kl__ | krazykit: I get FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device, when trying to load acpu_cpufreq |
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| 01:23.25 | krazykit | n3kl__: what processor do you have? |
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| 01:23.50 | kamui | worked! |
| 01:23.57 | kamui | just had to add the mergefb options |
| 01:24.08 | abrotman | still ? |
| 01:24.10 | kamui | and drop my resolution to 1024x768x16 on both monitors |
| 01:24.15 | abrotman | ew |
| 01:24.24 | n3kl__ | krazykit: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ |
| 01:24.27 | kamui | yea, don't think the card has enough ram for 1280x1024 |
| 01:24.33 | kamui | and aiglx for beryl |
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| 01:25.12 | kamui | wish I could swap ssytem ram like nvidia turbocache |
| 01:25.13 | kamui | too bad |
| 01:25.18 | n3kl__ | krazykit: nevermind. I forgot I had to load the k8 powernow module before cpufreqd would start |
| 01:25.24 | n3kl__ | krazykit: thanks |
| 01:25.28 | krazykit | n3kl__: yep, that's the important one :P |
| 01:25.30 | kamui | Ill need to invest in a better desktop dual headed card in th near future |
| 01:25.42 | krazykit | kamui: nvidia, to be sure. |
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| 01:26.21 | kamui | krazykit, I have an nvidia geforce go 6600 TE in my laptop, nvidia driver with beryl sucks |
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| 01:26.40 | kamui | fast, but texture ram runs out quick, only solution is to use xgl atm afaik |
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| 01:27.16 | kamui | I think I might havehad a prolognged fix by installing the 9755 driver and using the copyto render path, but it still eventually gave me black windows |
| 01:27.16 | juice` | any idea how to see who is DoSing me? |
| 01:27.39 | abrotman | look at incoming connections ? |
| 01:27.42 | juice` | but i can't use machine while it's connected to internet because this DoS is switing it off |
| 01:27.46 | juice` | i can't |
| 01:27.47 | n3kl__ | anyone know if nvidia compiles using modprobe, i386 install and amd64 kernel yet? |
| 01:27.49 | abrotman | then ask your ISP |
| 01:27.56 | juice` | my ISP says they can't monitor it |
| 01:28.04 | abrotman | that's the worst ISP .. ever :) |
| 01:28.05 | krazykit | kamui: really? not in my experience. don't recall what driver i'm using though. |
| 01:28.18 | krazykit | not at that machine til august |
| 01:28.20 | juice` | i know. i mean, they have very good opinion so i'm pretty shocked |
| 01:28.24 | juice` | anyways... |
| 01:28.33 | juice` | how to do it passive ? |
| 01:28.43 | kamui | well, it could always have just been a bad config by me |
| 01:28.44 | kamui | oh well |
| 01:28.52 | juice` | i have connection to this machine when they cut off all other traffic (other than mine) |
| 01:28.58 | juice` | but then i can't see DoS of course |
| 01:28.59 | krazykit | kamui: besides, the new hotness is compiz-fusion :P |
| 01:29.04 | kamui | so I hear |
| 01:29.17 | juice` | when they open my machine to world, i can't work on it and i can't run iptraf or anything |
| 01:29.18 | Wyzard | n3kl__: Build it with module-assistant |
| 01:29.25 | kamui | might try that if I can find a way to get my lappy to suspend in linux wihtout crashing |
| 01:29.28 | juice` | so i was wondering - how to do it passivly ? |
| 01:29.42 | juice` | i mean, in background.. somehow |
| 01:29.45 | n3kl__ | Wyzard: I have |
| 01:29.47 | kamui | can't even hibernate when nvidia aiglx is active, restores into a corrupt screen and locks up |
| 01:29.54 | kamui | but suspend locks up before it even sleeps |
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| 01:30.09 | abrotman | juice`: attacking you how ? |
| 01:30.09 | n3kl__ | Wyzard: thats where I am having the problem. i386 install and m-a a-i nvidia fails |
| 01:30.22 | Wyzard | n3kl__: ah... dunno then |
| 01:30.29 | n3kl__ | juice`: how do you know you are getting attacked |
| 01:30.37 | Wyzard | n3kl__: I'm running amd64 and it's fine |
| 01:30.40 | juice` | my incoming connection is full |
| 01:30.52 | abrotman | maybe the machine is off |
| 01:30.56 | n3kl__ | Wyzard: the amd64 installation? or kernel? |
| 01:30.57 | kamui | brb |
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| 01:31.01 | juice` | ? ;) off? |
| 01:31.06 | Wyzard | n3kl__: whole installation |
| 01:31.13 | juice` | with 20Mbps incoming connection |
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| 01:31.32 | juice` | would be hard to be off this way, ok, i'm being attacked, that's for sure |
| 01:31.36 | juice` | any idea how to log it ? |
| 01:31.54 | n3kl__ | Wyzard: I am running the same on my laptop, but I have to run unstable to make it worth my time, and its shaky. One update is awesome, and the next hinders me. thus the name "unstable" =] |
| 01:32.26 | Wyzard | n3kl__: I'm running unstable too |
| 01:32.31 | n3kl__ | juice`: you are getting DOSed on a 20M connection? |
| 01:32.33 | krazykit | speaking of unstable, aptitude is freaking slow now. |
| 01:32.39 | Wyzard | yeah, it is |
| 01:32.47 | Wyzard | on amd64 but not on i386 |
| 01:32.56 | n3kl__ | Wyzard: even slightly not up to par for you? |
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| 01:33.13 | Aaron_Mason | does anybody here know why rootstrap depends on uml? |
| 01:33.16 | abrotman | juice`: you have to either get on the machine .. or a router in between |
| 01:33.39 | Wyzard | n3kl__: Stuff breaks occasionally, of course, but there haven't been any major problems lately as far as I can remember |
| 01:33.43 | n3kl__ | Wyzard: right, same here. Plus I want wine and other stuff |
| 01:34.28 | Aaron_Mason | and debootstrap? |
| 01:34.36 | abrotman | juice`: honestly .. just ask your ISP to pull the network cable .. put it back in an hour |
| 01:34.39 | n3kl__ | Wyzard: but mostly for what I do on my lappy it does good. the amd64 kernel just performs better than the i386, as its built for the hardware |
| 01:36.21 | Aaron_Mason | never mind... now that its installed I can actually read the man page |
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| 01:45.31 | krazykit | oh sweet |
| 01:45.43 | krazykit | aptitude from experimental is supposed to fix the annoying slowness issue |
| 01:46.06 | buluca | it does |
| 01:46.37 | kamui | spke too soon, look s like X freezes up, the mouse still moves around, but the keyboard appears completely locked out. All I can do is reboot. Happens after about 2 or 3 minutes in beryl |
| 01:47.16 | SerajewelKS | kamui: beryl is not supported in debian |
| 01:48.01 | stoned | hi |
| 01:48.26 | stoned | http://paste.debian.net/31867 <-- can anyone take a look here please |
| 01:48.49 | krazykit | glee, it works |
| 01:49.18 | SerajewelKS | stoned: IDE? |
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| 01:49.21 | stoned | SATA |
| 01:49.31 | stoned | running in sata2 mode |
| 01:49.47 | krazykit | stoned: if it locks up those apps, smartctl won't work, eh. |
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| 01:50.19 | stoned | ok, funny thing is |
| 01:50.23 | stoned | I d/c the drive |
| 01:50.44 | stoned | an reconnected it |
| 01:50.58 | stoned | and it was being detected by bios like BzBzBzBzBz instead of WD500KS |
| 01:51.32 | SerajewelKS | stoned: heh, the drive is fubared |
| 01:51.47 | stoned | redid it again, and it started to work, but now its giving me erros again. I was able to copy 29GB of music from it last night and 50MB of documents |
| 01:52.07 | stoned | I still have 140GB of movies and 100GB of pron |
| 01:52.19 | stoned | and all of southpark and family guy etc. etc. etc. |
| 01:52.22 | stoned | :( |
| 01:52.35 | stoned | what is a host bus error? |
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| 01:53.06 | SerajewelKS | stoned: have you tried freezing? |
| 01:53.11 | stoned | what? |
| 01:53.21 | stoned | put my drive in a freezer? |
| 01:53.25 | SerajewelKS | stoned: stick the drive in a plastic bag and put it in the freezer for a few min |
| 01:53.29 | stoned | why? |
| 01:53.36 | SerajewelKS | stoned: then keep a fan on it while you use it to keep condensation off |
| 01:53.58 | SerajewelKS | stoned: if it's a mechanical error that's exacerbated by heat (parts expanding, rubbing, etc) it will let the drive work until it warms up |
| 01:54.06 | SerajewelKS | stoned: so you can get your shit off, then return to mfr :) |
| 01:54.22 | SerajewelKS | stoned: saved all my brother's data that way actually |
| 01:54.25 | stoned | I think I umounted it |
| 01:54.43 | stoned | any kinda scans i can run on it to see whas wrong? |
| 01:54.49 | stoned | any diagnostic tools? |
| 01:55.01 | SerajewelKS | stoned: smartctl --test=short # iirc |
| 01:56.17 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: at least it can tell you "SOMETHING IS WRONG, RUN LIKE HELL" |
| 01:56.31 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: wait for clicks like morse code! :) |
| 01:56.32 | stoned | background test? |
| 01:56.37 | maxamillion | stoned: www.ultimatebootcd.com |
| 01:56.38 | abrotman | ... --- ... :) |
| 01:56.39 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i've had that twice |
| 01:56.41 | stoned | what does it check for? |
| 01:56.47 | stoned | maxamillion: I use hirens boot cd |
| 01:56.49 | stoned | 9,1 |
| 01:56.50 | abrotman | i prefer the pingpong drive sound :) |
| 01:56.55 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: both times i managed to back up the data like 2 mins before the drive locked completely |
| 01:56.55 | stoned | http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd |
| 01:57.02 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:57.05 | maxamillion | stoned: hirens? ... that's cute |
| 01:57.30 | stoned | but I want to be able to use my system while I run a test |
| 01:57.32 | maxamillion | they used to use hirens at my job until i walked in with ultimate boot cd and schooled the shit out of them |
| 01:57.48 | abrotman | UBCD is pretty damn good |
| 01:57.52 | maxamillion | but that's neither here nor there |
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| 01:58.39 | maxamillion | stoned: honestly, boot into Insert that is included on the "full" UBCD |
| 01:59.11 | maxamillion | stoned: i think that would be your best bet if you don't want to render your machine unusable while running tests ... atleast you would have the live session |
| 02:00.00 | stoned | what? |
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| 02:00.26 | m0rbid | Can someone assist me with getting my nvidia card to work in SID? |
| 02:00.44 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:00.44 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 02:00.44 | maxamillion | !nvidia | m0rbid |
| 02:00.46 | stoned | boot into Insert that is included? |
| 02:00.54 | stoned | that makes no grammatical sense I'm very confused |
| 02:01.17 | krazykit | dpkg will pipe output to nicks? cool! |
| 02:01.29 | krazykit | "pipe", i suppose |
| 02:01.30 | maxamillion | krazykit: actually, i don't know for a fact |
| 02:01.39 | maxamillion | krazykit: i just tried it because i have done it with other bots |
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| 02:01.45 | abrotman | no it can't |
| 02:01.46 | rahul | !tell krazykit about nvidia one-liner |
| 02:01.53 | rahul | that's how you do it |
| 02:01.56 | krazykit | well, i know about that one rahul |
| 02:02.02 | krazykit | but pipe would be less typing |
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| 02:02.16 | wols | stoned: smartctl long test is the best thing to use |
| 02:02.34 | maxamillion | stoned: http://www.insert.cd/ <--- that is included on the ultimate boot cd |
| 02:02.35 | stoned | what does it do? |
| 02:02.39 | m0rbid | nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7: Depends: nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7 but it is not going to be installed |
| 02:02.49 | rahul | and typing #!!@%%@ to mean "tell krazykit about nvidia one-liner" would be less typing, too |
| 02:02.50 | wols | stoned: SMART checks |
| 02:02.58 | rahul | especially if you're french |
| 02:03.15 | m0rbid | its been saying that the package has been broken for like 2 weeks now. |
| 02:03.32 | Ubuntu-Craft | äťäšďźwhat? |
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| 02:04.09 | abrotman | m0rbid: do you have contrib and non-free sources ? |
| 02:04.19 | m0rbid | abrotman: yes |
| 02:05.04 | m0rbid | deb http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
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| 02:08.51 | adv0cate | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:10.29 | abrotman | nice 486 you got there :) |
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| 02:10.36 | kamui | anywhere I can get the xgl-xserver for debian? |
| 02:10.41 | kamui | doesn't appear to be in the standard repos |
| 02:10.46 | abrotman | kamui: xgl isn't in debian |
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| 02:10.55 | adv0cate | abrotman: most configures call it a 686. :) |
| 02:11.15 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:11.48 | m0rbid | abrotman: any other ideas? |
| 02:12.00 | m0rbid | even after dist-upgrade, still broken. |
| 02:12.02 | abrotman | m0rbid: check manually to see if they should be there |
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| 02:12.13 | m0rbid | abrotman: I have no idea how to do that. |
| 02:12.19 | RememberPOL | Does the etch CD have a GUI installer? |
| 02:12.26 | abrotman | packages.debian.org |
| 02:12.28 | abrotman | RememberPOL: yes |
| 02:12.49 | stoned | wols: how do I know its running a smart check? what is smart is disabled in the bios? |
| 02:12.58 | stoned | RememberPOL: yes |
| 02:12.59 | m0rbid | RememberPOL: at the prompt, type installgui |
| 02:13.31 | stoned | wols: s/is/if |
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| 02:14.09 | man_in_ltop | is there a standard way of enabling alsa sequencer modules by default? |
| 02:14.13 | m0rbid | abrotman: I have no clue as to what I am doing and or looking for. |
| 02:14.18 | man_in_ltop | right now i have to modprobe snd-seq and such |
| 02:14.43 | abrotman | m0rbid: packages.debian.org/<pkg> |
| 02:14.52 | abrotman | !search |
| 02:14.52 | dpkg | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 02:15.01 | m0rbid | abrotman: k. |
| 02:15.03 | abrotman | man_in_ltop: you could put them in /etc/modules |
| 02:15.14 | juice` | any idea how to track the real ip address of some host in the internet? |
| 02:15.22 | juice` | for example tcpdump shows 0.0.0.1 |
| 02:15.35 | abrotman | unplug the damn box already |
| 02:15.36 | man_in_ltop | abrotman, is there any nicer way than that? :) |
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| 02:15.48 | juice` | and 2 mil of different addreses :/ |
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| 02:16.00 | abrotman | man_in_ltop: that is nice! |
| 02:16.01 | juice` | why would i unplug it |
| 02:16.10 | juice` | that wont help anything |
| 02:16.27 | abrotman | it'll stop your asking us :) |
| 02:16.50 | abrotman | juice`: this is a problem for your ISP to handle . .not you .. if they won't do it .. ask their upstream |
| 02:18.07 | kamui | found an unstable debian xgl repo |
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| 02:18.31 | PrinceAMD | hi all, how can i get apt-get or dpkg to list all the packages i have? |
| 02:18.36 | abrotman | kamui: it's still not in debian .. we can't help you with it |
| 02:18.38 | abrotman | !installed |
| 02:18.38 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 02:18.46 | PrinceAMD | i want to make a list of them so i can know exactly what i have installed |
| 02:18.59 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 02:18.59 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
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| 02:19.53 | xerophyte | Does anybody know any good open source CRM solution, other than vtiger or sugarCRM ? |
| 02:20.05 | kamui | abrotman, its all golden buddy, I know you "can't" help me with beryl altogether so its just an experiment. If I can make it work Ill be pleased, if not, then I guess I'll get a less functional desktop until I upgrade my gfx card |
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| 02:20.23 | PrinceAMD | thanks dpkg |
| 02:20.24 | dpkg | sure thing, PrinceAMD |
| 02:20.37 | abrotman | xerophyte: compiere .. i think |
| 02:20.52 | abrotman | or maybe that was ERP |
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| 02:21.21 | Nemoder | Is anyone else able to run this script on debian-testing?: http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/examples/helloworld.py |
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| 02:21.33 | abrotman | !compiere |
| 02:21.34 | dpkg | Compiere is an integrated Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) and Customer Relations Management (CRM) software solution that combines the power of point of sales (POS), distribution, inventory, e-commerce, accounting, and workflow systems within one robust application. http://www.compiere.org/ |
| 02:21.38 | abrotman | xerophyte: ^^ |
| 02:22.00 | weasel00 | how to i find more logs for gdm or is there a better alternative? |
| 02:22.12 | abrotman | not enough in /var/log/ ? |
| 02:22.28 | abrotman | man .. the banlist in this channel is huge |
| 02:22.35 | man_in_ltop | Nemoder, works for me |
| 02:22.40 | man_in_ltop | anyways, should go |
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| 02:22.52 | Nemoder | hm so it is my setup after all |
| 02:23.02 | Nemoder | for some reason it refuses to import the gtk module for me |
| 02:23.13 | weasel00 | abrotman : there is nothing there that helps to explain why it crashes before it starts up... all i see is "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" |
| 02:23.15 | abrotman | doesn't it give an error ? |
| 02:23.31 | abrotman | weasel00: /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 02:24.20 | weasel00 | abrotman: i was looking at the gdm logs... didnt realize to look there =) |
| 02:24.30 | abrotman | weasel00: they're related! |
| 02:25.38 | weasel00 | abrotman: (WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) << atleast im headin in the right direction now =) |
| 02:25.47 | weasel00 | abrotman: thak you |
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| 02:26.14 | abrotman | EE |
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| 02:34.34 | dclarke | tst |
| 02:34.38 | dclarke | okay .. that works |
| 02:34.43 | mortal5 | hello, I believe I've asked this question before, I'm looking for something to print the md5 checksum of a given .deb. I remember apt-something, but that doesn't narrow it down :) |
| 02:35.04 | mortal5 | anyone know how to print the checksum of something in aptitude? |
| 02:35.11 | dclarke | mortal5 : that may be a function of aptitude .. but I'm just guessing |
| 02:35.30 | dclarke | oh .. well .. this is where a man page comes in handy |
| 02:36.31 | mortal5 | yeah i checked the help, no dice yet |
| 02:37.45 | krazykit | mortal5, debsums? |
| 02:37.53 | mortal5 | gah! |
| 02:38.36 | dclarke | what ? |
| 02:38.40 | dclarke | debsums ? |
| 02:38.45 | abrotman | krazykit: that's for files afaik |
| 02:38.54 | dclarke | -bash: debsums: command not found |
| 02:39.03 | krazykit | dclarke, you'd have to install it, of course |
| 02:39.12 | dclarke | oh |
| 02:39.13 | mortal5 | I was hoping there was a way to do it within aptitude, but all i got is something regarding increasing the verbrosity |
| 02:39.21 | abrotman | !debsums |
| 02:39.21 | dpkg | i guess debsums is a package that will check a packages files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files. |
| 02:39.24 | dclarke | This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. |
| 02:39.28 | dclarke | that is just .. weird |
| 02:39.30 | krazykit | ah. |
| 02:39.34 | abrotman | dclarke: apt-get moo |
| 02:40.02 | dclarke | Have you mooed today? |
| 02:40.07 | dclarke | oh gosh .. thats .. |
| 02:40.12 | dclarke | even .. weirer |
| 02:40.16 | dclarke | even .. weirder |
| 02:40.35 | dclarke | um .. if I ask a question .. that I know I have asked before .. repeatedly .. will I get kicked ? |
| 02:40.44 | abrotman | dclarke: aptitude moo .. aptitude -v moo .. et cetera |
| 02:40.48 | inFw | and how does aptitude shows that behaviour? |
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| 02:41.24 | dclarke | I appended "console=ttyS0,9600n8" to my line for kernel in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 02:41.30 | dclarke | will I now get a serial console ? |
| 02:41.42 | dclarke | I really only want the ability to login via serial |
| 02:42.27 | mortal5 | ah ah! |
| 02:42.41 | mortal5 | lol it started verifying everything |
| 02:43.03 | mortal5 | ...it even asked for my green card |
| 02:43.56 | dclarke | you have a green card ? |
| 02:43.59 | dclarke | why ? |
| 02:44.05 | mortal5 | heheh no i kid |
| 02:44.10 | dclarke | never mind .. its OT |
| 02:44.23 | mortal5 | but seriously, it started verifying every pkg on my system lol |
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| 02:45.40 | mortal5 | debsums: no md5sums for gpgv |
| 02:45.43 | mortal5 | booo |
| 02:46.34 | adv0cate | latah on folks. |
| 02:46.46 | mortal5 | does anyone know how to get an md5 sum out of aptitude? I've tried -v and -vv |
| 02:46.57 | abrotman | mortal5: for the .deb file ? |
| 02:46.59 | mortal5 | it seems no level of verb will display it |
| 02:47.11 | mortal5 | abrotman, for an installed pkg |
| 02:47.27 | abrotman | apt-cache show <pkg> |
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| 02:49.34 | TheNetuser | # Appears as ANNA |
| 02:49.40 | TheNetuser | (#G7::E210M1) Hi! |
| 02:50.05 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 02:50.14 | abrotman | Larl: is that your bot ? |
| 02:51.31 | Larl | Yeah |
| 02:51.39 | abrotman | please have it play somewhere else |
| 02:51.42 | Larl | !die |
| 02:51.43 | dpkg | I'll murder you larl! Slice you into bits and feed you to my children! |
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| 02:51.54 | abrotman | especially if it's going to answer to ! |
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| 02:52.17 | Larl | Good day! :) |
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| 02:52.51 | Seb | hey fellows |
| 02:52.52 | Ubuntu-Craft | good day |
| 02:53.02 | Seb | i need someone with 2 minutes on his hands to verify a bug before i report it |
| 02:53.37 | stoned | wols: Checking for bad blocks (read-only test): 9984/ 478512089 |
| 02:53.45 | Seb | this involves apt-get install'ing rxvt-unicode, adding one line to ~/.Xdefaults, running xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults, spawning urxvt, and then trying to select a string by double-clicking on it |
| 02:53.46 | stoned | wols: its stuck here |
| 02:53.50 | Seb | if you're fast, this is only 1 minute ;) |
| 02:54.12 | abrotman | seb |
| 02:54.14 | abrotman | waht |
| 02:54.20 | abrotman | bah .. i can't do it! |
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| 02:55.16 | Seb | abrotman: cmon :) |
| 02:55.27 | abrotman | no .. i was just going to harass you :) |
| 02:55.34 | Seb | hah |
| 02:55.40 | Seb | abrotman: so you ain't got 2 minutes ? :> |
| 02:55.44 | abrotman | okay .. now what ? |
| 02:56.03 | abrotman | which line ? |
| 02:56.31 | abrotman | Seb: need the darn line |
| 02:56.43 | Seb | abrotman: echo "URxvt.cutchars: ," >> ~/.Xdefaults |
| 02:56.56 | Seb | abrotman: then make sure you xrdb -load it |
| 02:57.23 | abrotman | now what ? |
| 02:57.31 | Seb | abrotman: the end of the test consists in typing "foo&bar" in a urxvt, and try double-clicking on "foo" |
| 02:57.57 | Seb | abrotman: if it selects only foo, then we have a bug, cuz since "&" is not in cutchars, we should get the whole string selected |
| 02:57.57 | abrotman | it selects "foo" |
| 02:58.21 | Seb | fuck |
| 02:58.26 | Seb | abrotman: I mean "thanks" :) |
| 02:58.30 | abrotman | you're mad you found a bug ? |
| 02:58.30 | mortal5 | when someone asks me "compute a digital signature on the downloaded programs." how would I do that using gpgv? would would i need the full blown gpg? |
| 02:58.42 | Seb | abrotman: i wish it had been something with my setup |
| 02:58.52 | Seb | abrotman: cuz the changelog for rxvt-unicode says this should work |
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| 02:58.57 | abrotman | Seb: it's not just ruxrfxtur |
| 02:59.07 | Seb | mortal5: md5sum |
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| 02:59.34 | Seb | abrotman: huh ? |
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| 02:59.46 | abrotman | Seb: xterm has the problem also .. gnoem-term is fine |
| 02:59.51 | helo_ | is there a netinst.img that i can dd to a thumb drive to install? |
| 02:59.58 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 02:59.58 | dpkg | usb-install is probably Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 03:00.12 | helo_ | for etch? |
| 03:00.19 | abrotman | i think you want the second url |
| 03:00.24 | helo_ | ty |
| 03:00.37 | abrotman | Seb: right ? |
| 03:00.44 | Seb | abrotman: correct |
| 03:00.59 | Seb | abrotman: never noticed it, as I used aterm before switching to rxvt-unicode |
| 03:01.05 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 03:01.06 | Seb | now where should I report that ? |
| 03:01.21 | abrotman | i'd guess the bits that are responsible for reading .Xdefaults ? |
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| 03:02.03 | helo_ | what about live debian? can you get a fully installed etch system from there? |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 03:02.23 | dpkg | [livecd] an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 03:02.27 | pike__ | ive gotten tired of slackware. im hoping debian is like slackware with a really good packaging system :-) |
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| 03:02.47 | mortal5 | ... I really need to add a "check to see if anyone is logged in" to my shutdown script |
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| 03:03.14 | Seb | abrotman: i'm surprised this can affect so many terms |
| 03:03.18 | mortal5 | forgot i had it set to shut off @ 10pm for work nights |
| 03:03.26 | Seb | abrotman: xrdb does load them correctly, as xrdb -query seems to prove |
| 03:03.28 | helo_ | pike__: actually, it is somewhat like that... i think the community-driven heritage gives them a similar feel |
| 03:03.50 | Seb | abrotman: rxvt/urxvt both having the bug, I could understand; but xterm on top of that ? |
| 03:04.04 | abrotman | Seb: you could just file the bug on iceweasel |
| 03:04.14 | Seb | abrotman: what do you mean ? |
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| 03:04.29 | abrotman | Seb: what package provides xrdb ? |
| 03:04.41 | abrotman | !find bin/xrdb etch |
| 03:05.10 | Seb | abrotman: xrdb is fine, cuz aterm understands its cutchars resource (set through xrdb) |
| 03:05.28 | abrotman | do rxvt and xterm share a dep that might be responsible ? |
| 03:05.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xrdb' (1): (/usr/bin/xrdb) in x11/xbase-clients. |
| 03:05.33 | abrotman | Seb: FWIW .. i tested on etch |
| 03:05.55 | Seb | abrotman: good to know; sid here... |
| 03:06.04 | atula | hi all. is module-assistant a new thing in etch? |
| 03:06.16 | abrotman | no |
| 03:06.30 | damog | atula: no |
| 03:06.38 | mortal5 | iceweasel? |
| 03:06.58 | mortal5 | is this a debian/ubuntu fight to see who can come up with the craziest name? |
| 03:07.23 | damog | mortal5: no, it's a fight about tards and trademarks |
| 03:08.55 | stew | damog: did you just call us tards? (i know we aren't the ones with the trademark) :) |
| 03:09.31 | damog | stew: heh, i meant we, the good ones against tards and their trademarks :) |
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| 03:10.54 | daeos | quick question, i know i asked here before a long time ago, but is there a way to configure debian to work on 2 seperate motherboards and 1 hard drive? |
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| 03:14.25 | mortal5 | could someone read these instructions and tell me what you think they mean? |
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| 03:14.29 | mortal5 | http://paste.debian.net/31869 |
| 03:14.55 | windio00 | hmm anyone know a good deal on a good barebones system that would make a good home file server? |
| 03:14.57 | mortal5 | is he simply wanting me to make a gpg sig or ...somehow get the sig of a program? |
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| 03:15.28 | nikola | hello |
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| 03:15.37 | nikola | i have a question for someone here |
| 03:15.47 | Ubuntu-Craft | =-O |
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| 03:15.57 | windio00 | not sure if i need to get one with PATA if sata300 may not be supported |
| 03:15.57 | damog | mortal5: make gpg sig |
| 03:15.58 | nikola | i am using ssh to do stuff on my server in the basement |
| 03:16.06 | nikola | and i need to be able to edit/write/read Japanese |
| 03:16.19 | mortal5 | k |
| 03:16.19 | nikola | how would i go about setting that up in my little terminal? |
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| 03:17.09 | nikola | the server is running debian, this comp that i use to ssh to it is running os x |
| 03:17.10 | windio00 | does #debian.jp exist? |
| 03:17.27 | nikola | no idea |
| 03:17.44 | krazykit | !jp |
| 03:17.44 | dpkg | somebody said jp was Japan |
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| 03:19.24 | windio00 | dpkg: i dont know .jp for japanese would make sense |
| 03:19.44 | windio00 | krazykit: debian.fr is french |
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| 03:20.05 | weasel00 | windio00: its by country code.. hence jp is japan and fr is france |
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| 03:20.32 | windio00 | weasel00: where do the québecois go then ? |
| 03:20.32 | krazykit | windio00, dpkg is a bot |
| 03:20.57 | windio00 | krazykit: i know . . . how will bots learn if you dont talk to them? |
| 03:21.04 | ferret | good point! |
| 03:21.31 | krazykit | windio00, well, the blootbot needs specific commands to make it learn. and if there's no #debian.jp, telling it that would be misinformation |
| 03:21.42 | weasel00 | windio00: thats dialect difference.. prolly .ca might cover it |
| 03:22.00 | windio00 | krazykit: where do japanese questions go then for debian? |
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| 03:22.09 | kamui | is there a better way of setting the default sound card for alsa in a multicarded system rather than blacklisting the driver I don't want as the primary? |
| 03:22.15 | kamui | I actually do want to use both sound cards |
| 03:22.20 | krazykit | windio00, here, i suppose. and speak english. |
| 03:22.25 | kamui | just want the sblaster loading primary and the onboard secondary |
| 03:22.30 | krazykit | otherwise, i'm sure there's a linux.jp or something for general questions |
| 03:23.20 | Agrajag- | kamui: you probably want asoundconf set-default-card |
| 03:23.29 | windio00 | krazykit: weird you'd think there would be more japanese users of debian that theyd have their own room like the germans |
| 03:24.16 | windio00 | or site |
| 03:24.16 | windio00 | or channel |
| 03:24.16 | weasel00 | windio00: http://www.debian.org/international/Japanese |
| 03:24.16 | krazykit | windio00, *shrug*. i just don't worry about it. |
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| 03:25.06 | windio00 | well something is .jp anyway debian-users-ctl@debian.jp |
| 03:25.08 | pike__ | smoothest install ever. fluxbox and everything i need under 700mb in 15 min.. im impressed |
| 03:25.57 | krazykit | pike__, now you know the joy of dpkg! |
| 03:27.40 | kamui | thanks kindly Agrajag- |
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| 03:28.33 | wols | stew: then you are a fool. smartctl will tell you btw |
| 03:28.47 | wols | smart is a good thing and should always be enabled |
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| 03:29.41 | stoned | what |
| 03:29.52 | kamui | Agrajag-, oddly asoundconf list shows no cards at all |
| 03:30.14 | stoned | wols: I think it is too, I don't remember messing with it in the bios, the bios is doing default on all that stuff |
| 03:30.15 | kamui | Agrajag-, yet if I cat soundfile.wav > /dev/dsp1 I get bloodcurtling noise |
| 03:30.44 | kamui | sounds like I only have the oss drivers loading? thought oss was depreciated and it alsa was probably using the oss emulation |
| 03:30.51 | stoned | wols: badblocks moves on |
| 03:30.56 | grew | isnt /dev/dsp the oss layer |
| 03:30.58 | grew | not /dev/dsp1 |
| 03:31.04 | grew | kamui: what sound card? |
| 03:31.12 | grew | kamui: ive had this problem before |
| 03:31.20 | grew | and i think its because your alsa libs arent being loaded right |
| 03:31.22 | kamui | soundblaster live 5.1 and ac'97 internal |
| 03:31.31 | grew | so your driver works, but your system cant talk to it via alsa |
| 03:31.43 | grew | are you using debian packages for all of this? |
| 03:31.51 | kamui | this is a brand new etch system |
| 03:31.59 | grew | stock kernel? |
| 03:32.03 | windio00 | how does this sound for a debian compatible file server running software raid 1 - two samsung sataII 500GB, ASUS MB-M2A VM HDMI ATHLON64 x2 AM2 3800+, 2 GB memory . . . |
| 03:32.24 | grew | windio00: google and make sure all hw is supported by linux |
| 03:32.25 | kamui | yep |
| 03:32.27 | kamui | stock |
| 03:32.31 | grew | after that it depends on what youre using it for |
| 03:32.58 | grew | kamui: and you have alsa-base installed? |
| 03:33.23 | kamui | me thinks so |
| 03:33.37 | kamui | I have alsaconf which detected the cards, but fails to finalize the config |
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| 03:33.58 | grew | kamui: dpkg-query -l 'alsa*' and nopaste the results |
| 03:34.01 | grew | pastebot |
| 03:34.05 | grew | or whatever |
| 03:34.10 | grew | !paste |
| 03:34.11 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 03:34.13 | grew | there you go |
| 03:34.17 | windio00 | grew: im not getting a whole lot googling with "debian ASUS MB-M2A VM HDM" |
| 03:34.26 | kakalto | when running amarokFS, I get something complaining about not able to find glibc 2.4.... what should I install? |
| 03:34.42 | kamui | how about #flood |
| 03:34.46 | damog | amarokFS? you gotta kidding me |
| 03:34.47 | windio00 | grew: so either it runs perfectly well with it or no one has really tried |
| 03:34.49 | kamui | its 5 lines |
| 03:35.00 | damog | gotta be, also |
| 03:35.10 | kakalto | damog: amarok Fullscreen, not filesystem xD |
| 03:35.12 | Guerin | kakalto: where did you get the amarok packages? |
| 03:35.26 | kakalto | kde-apps.org |
| 03:35.26 | damog | kakalto: ah, heh. |
| 03:36.12 | daeos | did flashrom get removed from the packages list for debian? |
| 03:36.14 | Guerin | kakalto: then ask them for help |
| 03:36.20 | Guerin | kakalto: this is a case of NOFP |
| 03:36.33 | kakalto | NOFP? |
| 03:36.36 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 03:36.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, nofp is Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 03:36.43 | kakalto | ahh. x] |
| 03:36.53 | kakalto | fair enough |
| 03:37.02 | Rusty1 | nikola: are you by any chance running xserver on the server and xwindows on the ssh client? |
| 03:37.05 | epp | dpkg, is pissed |
| 03:37.09 | kamui | grew: http://paste.debian.net/31871 |
| 03:37.19 | kamui | oops, I put your name instead of mine thinking it would "go" to you |
| 03:37.37 | kamui | oddly enough despite the fact that there's nothing there, Im getting sound now after the alsaconfig |
| 03:37.38 | kamui | wtf |
| 03:37.44 | nikola | wait |
| 03:37.50 | kamui | alsamixer doesnt work either now |
| 03:37.53 | grew | kamui: you dont have any of the alsa tools installed thats why |
| 03:38.05 | nikola | ... |
| 03:38.07 | nikola | i do now know |
| 03:38.07 | kamui | I have alsa-base , what else do I need? |
| 03:38.21 | Guerin | kakalto: alsa-utils |
| 03:38.24 | Guerin | kamui: |
| 03:38.24 | grew | kamui: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-tools alsa-utils alsa-oss |
| 03:38.33 | grew | kamui: according to that paste you dont have squat installed |
| 03:38.35 | grew | not even alsa-base |
| 03:38.36 | kamui | alol, just apt-cache searched em out |
| 03:38.39 | grew | which is why its not working out |
| 03:38.43 | kamui | I do have alsa base |
| 03:38.47 | grew | no |
| 03:38.52 | grew | ii alsa-base 1.0.13-5 ALSA driver configuration files |
| 03:38.55 | grew | thats alsa base |
| 03:38.58 | windio00 | grew: oh they have a good review in danish . . . |
| 03:39.11 | grew | windio00: try just linux and the name |
| 03:39.24 | grew | windio00: also, google around for just the box and try and find the specific chipset of like |
| 03:39.28 | grew | the raid card |
| 03:39.32 | kamui | savior:/etc# sudo apt-get install alsa-base |
| 03:39.33 | kamui | Reading package lists... Done |
| 03:39.33 | kamui | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 03:39.33 | kamui | alsa-base is already the newest version. |
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| 03:39.44 | grew | strange |
| 03:39.46 | kamui | sorry, I thought it was just the 3 lines pasting |
| 03:39.49 | Guerin | kamui: read the fucking topic |
| 03:39.56 | karsten | !tell kamui about flood |
| 03:40.06 | grew | he just used pastebin or whatever |
| 03:40.09 | grew | he knows better :/ |
| 03:40.18 | Rusty1 | nikola: try , from your shell : ssh -X user@ip.of.your.server |
| 03:40.25 | karsten | kamui: On a laggy connection, even rapid-fire manual posts may trigger a flood kick. |
| 03:40.26 | kamui | listen, it says if you're pasting more than 3 lines, I thought it was 3, it was 4, my fault |
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| 03:40.39 | Growly|Work | hi everybody! |
| 03:40.39 | kamui | ok, well, Ill be good |
| 03:40.59 | Guerin | kamui: you must placate our fury with beer |
| 03:41.08 | krazykit | !beer Guerin |
| 03:41.20 | krazykit | i read that as "defecates" and was confused |
| 03:41.23 | kamui | :-D |
| 03:41.24 | daeos | ha |
| 03:41.27 | karsten | Guerin: You lie. |
| 03:41.29 | grew | mm yuengling |
| 03:41.32 | daeos | !beer Guerin |
| 03:41.36 | grew | someone is from penn |
| 03:41.40 | Growly|Work | I'm trying to compile LFS through debian, but I get "C compiler cannot create executables." when trying to compile gcc for LFS... ideas anyone? Thanks in advance :) |
| 03:41.41 | Guerin | no, in fact, I do also have meatspace beer |
| 03:41.54 | Guerin | grew: abrotman |
| 03:41.56 | cheeseboy | i want to link the command mysql to where mysql file is located is that posible? |
| 03:41.56 | grew | Growly|Work: look at the config.log |
| 03:42.02 | daeos | !abrotman |
| 03:42.03 | dpkg | i heard abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 03:42.08 | grew | Growly|Work: ask the LFS people |
| 03:42.19 | Guerin | cheeseboy: your statement means nothing, but chances are it's possible anyway. |
| 03:42.23 | Growly|Work | grew - but they'll blame the debian people |
| 03:42.24 | grew | fosters is LOSE |
| 03:42.25 | Guerin | Rusty1: i said BEER |
| 03:42.28 | krazykit | Growly|Work, make sure your build toolchain works |
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| 03:42.35 | daeos | back to my original question ..... did flashrom get removed from the packages list for debian? |
| 03:42.39 | cheeseboy | Guerin, what you mean? |
| 03:42.40 | Growly|Work | krazykit - that's what i can't get to work |
| 03:42.40 | grew | Growly|Work: again, look at the config.log |
| 03:42.42 | Guerin | !b-e |
| 03:42.42 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 03:42.45 | grew | as the configure script tells you |
| 03:42.48 | Growly|Work | grew - i will, thanks |
| 03:42.51 | Guerin | cheeseboy: what you said makes no sense. |
| 03:42.54 | karsten | pours Guerin a Bud Lite. |
| 03:42.58 | Growly|Work | my scripts tells me nothing |
| 03:43.00 | grew | karsten: fail |
| 03:43.07 | Growly|Work | i see we're discussing beer |
| 03:43.13 | grew | Growly|Work: at the end of config.log it will say what failed about the conftest.c |
| 03:43.18 | grew | or whatever its being called |
| 03:43.21 | Guerin | Growly|Work: some of us are. Others are discussing bud light and fosters. |
| 03:43.27 | Guerin | fuckinghell |
| 03:43.32 | Guerin | !b-e Growly|Work |
| 03:43.33 | dpkg | Growly|Work: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 03:43.43 | Growly|Work | done that |
| 03:43.44 | Guerin | Growly|Work: see above re: `cannot create executables' |
| 03:43.48 | Growly|Work | even did the kernel headers |
| 03:44.24 | Growly|Work | right, config.log says that ld: unrecognised option "--hash-style=both" |
| 03:44.28 | Growly|Work | thanks :) |
| 03:45.25 | karsten | Growly|Work: You've googled? |
| 03:45.43 | Growly|Work | "you are |
| 03:45.54 | Growly|Work | > using a host with newer tools than you are trying to build |
| 03:45.54 | Growly|Work | " |
| 03:45.56 | Growly|Work | ofcourse i googled |
| 03:46.32 | karsten | Growly|Work: OK, checking. That's not necessarially a safe bet here. |
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| 03:47.59 | Growly|Work | haha no i understand |
| 03:48.14 | Growly|Work | the whole point of lfs is so i can join the elite, eventually, one day |
| 03:48.20 | Growly|Work | thanks for the tips everyone |
| 03:48.26 | Growly|Work | and for the record, wine >>>>> beer |
| 03:48.26 | daeos | elite... |
| 03:48.33 | Growly|Work | that's you daeos |
| 03:48.38 | daeos | ha |
| 03:48.41 | daeos | i wish |
| 03:48.47 | daeos | i know who the elite are |
| 03:48.47 | Guerin | Growly|Work: depends on the task at hand |
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| 03:49.03 | daeos | the ones who spout things like , RTFM, STFW and NOFP |
| 03:49.14 | Guerin | daeos: and STFUKTHX |
| 03:49.24 | daeos | oh yes i forgot that one |
| 03:49.41 | Growly|Work | mmm kthxbi |
| 03:49.44 | Growly|Work | lol |
| 03:49.45 | daeos | haha |
| 03:49.49 | daeos | lawl |
| 03:50.18 | krazykit | daeos, except, in some cases, those are the right answers. |
| 03:50.41 | daeos | krazykit: yes i know.. but those are sometimes seen as 'elitist' responses |
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| 03:51.03 | Guerin | daeos: only the plebs see them like that |
| 03:51.10 | Guerin | the peasants, like |
| 03:51.16 | inFw | I am unfamiliar with NOFP - what does it mean daeos ? |
| 03:51.20 | daeos | the 'i don't care go bug someone else' type of feeling |
| 03:51.20 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 03:51.21 | dpkg | methinks nofp is Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 03:51.26 | inFw | ah |
| 03:51.27 | inFw | lol |
| 03:51.33 | daeos | say lawl.. not lol |
| 03:51.38 | inFw | :| |
| 03:51.44 | Guerin | say neither |
| 03:51.51 | inFw | but I don't want to be elite. |
| 03:51.54 | Growly|Work | that's right |
| 03:51.55 | Growly|Work | don't laugh |
| 03:51.56 | daeos | lawl isn't elite |
| 03:52.02 | Guerin | inFw: then you're in the wrong channel |
| 03:52.05 | Growly|Work | humour is for weaklings and subhuman cretins |
| 03:52.24 | daeos | yes and #debian is for emotional robots |
| 03:52.29 | Growly|Work | !dpkg meaning of life |
| 03:52.32 | inFw | Guerin: lol? debian is pretty straightforward |
| 03:52.41 | Guerin | Growly|Work: if you are in fact laughing out loud, you can sometimes get away with /me lol |
| 03:52.47 | inFw | hence me using it |
| 03:53.00 | Growly|Work | Guerin - you misunderstand, joy is forbidden here |
| 03:53.01 | krazykit | !meaning of life |
| 03:53.01 | dpkg | THE ANSWER LIES IN THE PUDDING, krazykit, or 42 |
| 03:53.07 | Growly|Work | and happiness |
| 03:53.12 | daeos | 42 |
| 03:53.14 | Guerin | inFw: did you realise that the word `gullible' first appeared in a dictionary in 1996? |
| 03:53.26 | daeos | wow |
| 03:53.28 | inFw | no |
| 03:53.33 | Guerin | amazing, huh |
| 03:53.36 | Growly|Work | holy crap |
| 03:53.37 | Growly|Work | i never knew |
| 03:53.47 | daeos | guess it wasn't a real word... |
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| 03:53.55 | Growly|Work | must've spelt it wrong |
| 03:53.56 | Guerin | some people still think it isn't |
| 03:54.02 | Guerin | but hell, a lot of people sure are |
| 03:54.09 | daeos | i guess they rely on nieve |
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| 03:54.52 | Guerin | naĂŻve |
| 03:55.07 | Guerin | nieve is a tarty actress with fake tits, as I recall |
| 03:55.21 | krazykit | i thought that was nve |
| 03:55.26 | krazykit | neve, rather |
| 03:55.29 | weasel00 | evian is water for gullible people |
| 03:55.33 | Guerin | you're probably right |
| 03:55.54 | mortal5 | weasel00, and soilent green IS people! |
| 03:56.09 | ferret | pwobably |
| 03:56.09 | krazykit | soylent gruen is mannfleisch! |
| 03:56.09 | mortal5 | disolved gullible people |
| 03:56.11 | mortal5 | heheh |
| 03:56.26 | Growly|Work | boobies? |
| 03:56.27 | daeos | Well... im looking into LinuxBIOS on my p3 board.... anyone know if they have an irc channel here on freenode? |
| 03:56.37 | Guerin | daeos: you can know |
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| 03:57.10 | daeos | Guerin: i wonder sometimes about your responses |
| 03:57.23 | Guerin | daeos: i wonder about the questions |
| 03:57.45 | weasel00 | i like to wander about the beach =) |
| 03:57.48 | krazykit | daeos, they answer that question in the faq :P |
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| 03:58.12 | daeos | krazykit: yes sir! they do...i just now looked over it |
| 03:58.16 | daeos | 2.6 |
| 03:58.19 | kamui | adobe flash and ephiphany? |
| 03:58.21 | kamui | possible |
| 03:58.22 | kamui | ? |
| 03:58.46 | krazykit | kamui, it should work. epiphany uses netscape-compatible plugins, iirc |
| 03:58.48 | Guerin | kamui: NOFP |
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| 03:59.00 | Guerin | seek help from macdobedia |
| 03:59.50 | pimp31415 | forgive me if i disconnect now and then doing some gutsy testing :3 |
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| 04:00.50 | mortal5 | lol... dang now i have to see that movie |
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| 04:02.39 | daeos | movie? |
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| 04:04.39 | PrinceAMD | ok hi again |
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| 04:05.23 | PrinceAMD | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.51 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: dpkg-repack or something similar |
| 04:06.42 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, sweet that is a package i'll go mess with it now THANKS!!! |
| 04:06.51 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: welcome |
| 04:07.41 | PrinceAMD | Guerin IT WORKS!!! |
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| 04:08.43 | daeos | wow... |
| 04:08.46 | daeos | fast typer |
| 04:09.17 | Growly|Work | FORTRAN |
| 04:09.28 | Growly|Work | reminds me of dr tran |
| 04:09.28 | daeos | what about it |
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| 04:13.44 | daeos | gn guys and gals |
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| 04:14.25 | m0rbid | Im back everyone. |
| 04:14.45 | m0rbid | now. can someone assist me with fixing nvidia on a sid platform? |
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| 04:16.22 | evilgeek | why does insmod give a segfault no matter what i do? |
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| 04:16.40 | evilgeek | (this is insmod from module-init-tools.) |
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| 04:17.09 | RememberPOL | Does Debian seriously take three install DVDs? |
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| 04:18.06 | evilgeek | RememberPOL: no. |
| 04:18.11 | evilgeek | it takes a 20MB install CD. |
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| 04:19.25 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 04:19.26 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 04:19.31 | Guerin | RememberPOL: â |
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| 04:22.43 | RememberPOL | evilgeek: Yes, but say I want to install on a system that I do not plan on connecting to the internet? ;x |
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| 04:25.30 | RememberPOL | I guess I'll just grab the first dvd |
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| 04:25.54 | Guerin | the disks are compiled in order of popularity |
| 04:26.04 | Guerin | so dvd1 is very likely to have all you need on it |
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| 04:26.59 | rue_mohr | IDLERS NEEDED, PLEASE JOIN #garfield, thanks! |
| 04:27.11 | Guerin | rue_mohr: fuck off and die |
| 04:27.29 | rue_mohr | hah, thanks |
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| 04:28.12 | maddash | ahem |
| 04:28.27 | maddash | !ping |
| 04:28.27 | dpkg | pong |
| 04:28.31 | rue_mohr | please? |
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| 04:28.53 | rue_mohr | if you join now, you will never have to join again, I promise, and you dotn have to even read what happens |
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| 04:29.41 | rue_mohr | but its about all sorts of interesting linux based robotics |
| 04:31.08 | Guerin | !ops rue_mohr is pinpin' |
| 04:31.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: rue_mohr is pinpin' |
| 04:31.16 | rue_mohr | no |
| 04:31.21 | rue_mohr | I have a social problem |
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| 04:31.31 | peterS | rue_mohr: no soliciting |
| 04:31.33 | rue_mohr | that is to say, I did an experiment what went wrong |
| 04:31.34 | Guerin | rue_mohr: yes, clearly. |
| 04:31.38 | Guerin | yes |
| 04:31.46 | Guerin | pray do not continue with it |
| 04:31.53 | rue_mohr | I have a channel that should be empty, and its growing, even after I removed the motivation to be there |
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| 04:32.00 | peterS | I said, no soliciting |
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| 04:32.34 | peterS | I guess I removed his motivation to be here |
| 04:33.13 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:34.17 | maddash | parport_pc gets loaded at every boot, even after i blacklisted both it and its dependency (parport) -- how can I fix this? |
| 04:34.32 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 04:34.38 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@h24-207-90-24.cst.dccnet.com] by peterS |
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| 04:34.49 | peterS | hmm, he probably won't be back, no need to clog the banlist |
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| 04:35.25 | Guerin | there's a fatal flaw in my crafty plan to conduct research on talk radio |
| 04:35.41 | Guerin | that is that I have to listen to *huge* amounts of talk radio |
| 04:35.50 | peterS | when you say "on talk radio" do you mean "about talk radio" or "_on_ talk radio"? |
| 04:35.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:35.57 | Guerin | about |
| 04:36.18 | Guerin | although i may just send a manuscript to a few of the hosts, just to see if I can get a rise out of them |
| 04:36.31 | Guerin | media trolling, a joyous sport |
| 04:36.32 | peterS | a manuscript? |
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| 04:36.41 | Guerin | when my paper is written |
| 04:36.48 | Guerin | a copy thereof |
| 04:37.12 | sparr | clamav complain to my cron logs (and thus my email) that they are out of date. is this a bug? i dont want to know if there isnt a new package yet. how can i fix it? |
| 04:37.23 | sparr | err, that IS is out of date |
| 04:37.26 | sparr | *IT* |
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| 04:38.21 | Guerin | sparr: it probably doesn't mean the *package* is out-of date, it probably means the *definitions* are |
| 04:38.37 | peterS | but since the definitions are in the package... |
| 04:38.53 | Guerin | they're probably updateable separately |
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| 04:39.05 | Guerin | though it's years since I used clamav |
| 04:39.07 | peterS | this is why we have volatile.debian.net. I don't know whether clamav updates are available there, but I know that was the plan |
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| 04:42.13 | sparr | Guerin: actually there are two separate messages, one for the engine, one for the definitions. im more complaining about the former, easy enough to update definitions myself |
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| 04:42.41 | peterS | sparr: check volatile.debian.net to see if new clamav packages are being made available there |
| 04:42.45 | m0rbid | anyone got nvidia working correctly in sid? |
| 04:42.53 | Guerin | sparr: oh, ok. |
| 04:43.07 | Guerin | !anyone use nvidia working correctly in sid? |
| 04:43.08 | dpkg | No, no one uses nvidia working correctly in sid, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:43.15 | sparr | peterS: im more looking for a permanent solution. i dont want the message, ever. even in the hour it takes a new package to come out on volatile |
| 04:43.32 | m0rbid | hrmm... |
| 04:43.46 | m0rbid | just tell me if its possible.. its been pulling my hair out for days now. |
| 04:44.05 | Guerin | sparr: you can probably configure it to email /dev/null |
| 04:44.27 | peterS | sparr: well, I don't know how to shut up clamav's cron spam, sorry. it probably runs this check from /etc/cron.daily/clamav or some similar file - maybe you can edit the appropriate file to have it not run whatever job does the checking |
| 04:44.27 | sparr | Guerin: all my cron output is emailed to my user. i dont want to break that, i just want to turn off THIS message |
| 04:44.45 | sparr | peterS: cron.daily wouldnt bother me so much. this one is in hourly :) |
| 04:45.03 | m0rbid | sparr: i fixed that over at qmailrocks.org |
| 04:45.13 | m0rbid | well, I fixed it with their help. |
| 04:45.16 | peterS | sparr: oh dear. anyway, look for a file /etc/cron.hourly/clamav or similar, look to see whether it runs a distinct job for checking its up-to-dateness |
| 04:45.28 | sparr | yeah, thanks |
| 04:45.48 | Guerin | sparr: that's what I mean, there's probably such a thing in the clamav config file |
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| 04:46.25 | m0rbid | ok, is there a man page or How-To on how I can achieve this? |
| 04:46.37 | m0rbid | I really wanna get Cedega working. |
| 04:46.39 | Guerin | m0rbid: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 04:47.00 | m0rbid | Guerin: I did that. theres some pkg broken with the nvidia-kernel pkg. |
| 04:47.07 | Guerin | m0rbid: yay sid! |
| 04:47.27 | m0rbid | I know.. |
| 04:47.27 | Guerin | m0rbid: check BTS; if it's not covered, file. |
| 04:47.29 | m0rbid | =/ |
| 04:47.29 | Shadur | m0rbid: There is? News to me. |
| 04:47.42 | quasisane | m0rbid: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420177 |
| 04:47.45 | m0rbid | Shadur: I know. I live on the edge. |
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| 04:48.06 | m0rbid | quasisane: ty. I will check it out. |
| 04:48.19 | quasisane | m0rbid: not sure if that's the bug you're running into |
| 04:48.43 | sparr | m0rbid: bah, unstable isnt the edge. experimental is for pussies. incoming is the only way to live :) |
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| 04:48.56 | MetaPhaze | hello... can anyone help a gentoo user help someone with synaptic? I need to know what package the ati tungsten drivers come in (this is for ubuntu so i don't know if i can get any help from this) but the ubuntu channel was no help |
| 04:49.00 | Guerin | !flw |
| 04:49.00 | dpkg | <netdaemon> sweet, unstable has an nvidia kernel for amd64, i shall upgrade | <abrotman> !sid upgrade | <netdaemon> abrotman: i am well aware of the risks | <netdaemon> i'm bored because testing isn't broken :P |
| 04:49.08 | peterS | sparr: you want to live dangerously, move to ubuntu gutsy with universe |
| 04:49.11 | Guerin | how apropos |
| 04:49.22 | sparr | peterS: been on gutsy with multiverse for a month now :-p |
| 04:49.25 | Guerin | peterS: and experimental |
| 04:49.39 | m0rbid | quasisane: nah, thats not the bug. |
| 04:49.43 | peterS | right, I forgot, for maximum risk you must mix debian experimental and ubuntu gutsy |
| 04:49.58 | m0rbid | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.05 | sparr | i havent done dist-upgrade to gutsy yet, but ive got at least a hundred packages from it |
| 04:50.19 | sparr | then again, i never dist-upgrade my debian to experimental either |
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| 04:50.31 | sparr | lord knows i get enough packages from it, though |
| 04:50.33 | m0rbid | thats the only error I get. |
| 04:50.49 | Guerin | m0rbid: remove that package |
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| 04:50.59 | Guerin | nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 |
| 04:50.59 | peterS | you can't (easily) dist-upgrdae to experimental. experimental by default gives itself a really low priority so you can't just upgrade to it, you have to select what you want to upgrade to experimental, individually |
| 04:51.01 | m0rbid | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.05 | Guerin | yes |
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| 04:51.31 | m0rbid | Guerin: its not installed. |
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| 04:54.29 | kingsley | Is there an image processing tool that splits a big image into smaller ones that can be printed on individual pieces of paper and reassembled into a big montage? |
| 04:54.32 | m0rbid | odd yes. I know. |
| 04:55.04 | karsten | kingsley: OO.o has a tile mode. |
| 04:55.31 | karsten | kingsley: I'm not aware of anything else specifically designed, though a wrapper based on imagemagick shouldn't take too much work. |
| 04:55.48 | factor | I had to use OO |
| 04:56.07 | factor | sorry gimp |
| 04:56.24 | factor | I turn on the grid system and have it split it up into in' |
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| 04:56.48 | factor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:57.07 | factor | I wonder if the poster program does it , what is that |
| 04:57.09 | factor | scribus |
| 04:57.43 | kingsley | It seems that "poster" does it. |
| 04:58.23 | factor | what is poster plugin or program |
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| 05:01.05 | kingsley | factor: "poster" is a program in a package that's also named "poster". |
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| 05:02.34 | factor | poster needs a gui |
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| 05:05.13 | roxy_ | I got this error while doing my morning update/dist-upgrade: http://rafb.net/p/M992UF69.html |
| 05:05.22 | roxy_ | is there anything to wory about ? |
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| 05:11.32 | Guerin | roxy_: if you don't know how to read errors, why do you do a dist-upgrade every morning? |
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| 05:12.11 | roxy_ | Guerin: not my working machine |
| 05:12.30 | roxy_ | Guerin: I got stable on my working machines |
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| 05:21.24 | tictac | anyone here have success with luks and suspend2? |
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| 05:30.05 | RememberPOL | Was Debian originally based of SLS, as Slackware was? |
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| 05:31.01 | streuner | no |
| 05:31.17 | syed_nawaz | hello |
| 05:31.23 | streuner | RememberPOL: /msg dpkg history |
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| 05:33.09 | syed_nawaz | I have a two isp's connected to my proxy system, should i have to give two gateways to the two isp's in the network setting |
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| 05:37.47 | kamui | !backports |
| 05:37.47 | dpkg | methinks backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 05:38.04 | kamui | !unstable |
| 05:38.04 | dpkg | i guess unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
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| 05:40.37 | RememberPOL | Will the etch businesscard netinst CD pick up my wireless card? |
| 05:40.47 | streuner | kamui: /msg dpkg (bot) foo (factoid) works too |
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| 05:41.47 | RememberPOL | 06:03.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection (rev 05) |
| 05:43.26 | hark | RememberPOL: no |
| 05:43.54 | RememberPOL | :( |
| 05:43.57 | hark | RememberPOL: neither will the other installers afaik |
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| 05:44.11 | RememberPOL | it works on ubuntu out-of-box |
| 05:44.18 | RememberPOL | i guess the driver is non-free? :| |
| 05:44.22 | xterm | hello everybody |
| 05:44.25 | streuner | firmware... |
| 05:44.30 | hark | can't distribute the firmware |
| 05:44.33 | syed_nawaz | I need a small clarification, i have two isp to my proxy server, should i have to give both the isp's gateway for configuring them |
| 05:44.43 | xterm | Does exists a command to get my mails from a pop server??? |
| 05:45.00 | streuner | fetchmail? |
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| 05:45.05 | hark | RememberPOL: do the base install without the network via the netinst |
| 05:45.42 | hark | RememberPOL: then, get the firmware from ipw2200.sf.net and that's it |
| 05:45.56 | _mh | hi all, when loading kernel modules on boot, how can I pass options to the module in question? |
| 05:46.13 | streuner | in /etc/modules just add the options there |
| 05:46.57 | xterm | yes, some like fetchmail but I need it by preference native |
| 05:47.06 | _mh | streuner, thank you |
| 05:47.12 | RememberPOL | hark: Say I skip netinst and just use all three DVD images... will my card work out of box after the full install? |
| 05:48.09 | _mh | another question, if the module is removed put back in via modprobe, the options will still apply? |
| 05:48.30 | hark | RememberPOL: the driver is already in the kernel. Just that debian can't distribute the firmware. SO, you'll have to get it regardless of what install you do. (it's quite simple) |
| 05:48.33 | _mh | ..removed & put back in.. |
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| 05:49.08 | streuner | just find out for yourself |
| 05:49.26 | RememberPOL | hark: So you're suggesting I burn the firmware to a CD before performing the Debian install? |
| 05:49.34 | streuner | remove the module, modprobe it again and look if the options still exist |
| 05:49.36 | hark | RememberPOL: /msg dpkg ipw2200 firmware |
| 05:50.27 | streuner | !ipw2200 firmware |
| 05:50.27 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build> |
| 05:50.41 | streuner | !factinfo ipw2200 firmware |
| 05:50.41 | dpkg | ipw2200 firmware -- last modified at Tue Jun 12 14:23:22 2007 by jelly!n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr; it has been requested 6 times, last by streuner, 14s ago. |
| 05:50.43 | RememberPOL | But you're assuming I will have an internet connection after I install Debian. |
| 05:50.56 | hark | RememberPOL: cd, usb disk, floppy anything :) |
| 05:50.56 | streuner | hehe |
| 05:51.01 | RememberPOL | .............. |
| 05:51.05 | RememberPOL | (00:49:44) RememberPOL: hark: So you're suggesting I burn the firmware to a CD before performing the Debian install? |
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| 05:51.33 | streuner | RememberPOL: we're trying here to help not to spoofeeding you |
| 05:51.45 | streuner | s/soofeeding/spoonfeeding/ |
| 05:52.20 | jzxu | what's the easiest way to upgrade my etch install to use the latest kernel? (2.6.21?) |
| 05:52.35 | jzxu | is it a good idea to download it from kernel.org and just copy the default debian config file into the source directory? |
| 05:52.50 | wols | jzxu: kernel tarball works fine |
| 05:53.00 | RememberPOL | streuner: I'm rely solely on my wireless setup for connectivity, so realizing I need to grab extra firmware to get it working from a different computer AFTER the install would have been very annoying. |
| 05:53.10 | jzxu | wols, there isn't a "debian" way? |
| 05:53.21 | wols | the debian way is kernel-package |
| 05:53.29 | hark | jzxu: backports might have it |
| 05:53.30 | wols | install it, read its docs |
| 05:53.30 | RememberPOL | hark: Why can't debian distribute the firmware? |
| 05:53.39 | wols | RememberPOL: legality |
| 05:53.42 | streuner | RememberPOL: we told you |
| 05:53.48 | wols | debian can only distribute Free software |
| 05:53.48 | streuner | RememberPOL: scroll up |
| 05:53.57 | RememberPOL | streuner: No, you didn't tell me anything. |
| 05:54.27 | hark | RememberPOL: http://intellinuxwireless.org/?n=FAQ&s=license |
| 05:54.33 | RememberPOL | thanks |
| 05:54.50 | hark | "Unfortunately, no. Those binaries contain intellectual property licensed from third parties, and Intel must follow certain contractual obligations in licensing for those components. The ipw3945 and iwlwifi related binaries are all Intel-developed, and we are able to use a simplified license for that product." |
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| 05:55.07 | xenosoz | my /etc/resolv.conf is overwritten after reboot. I've read NetworkManager, avahi-daemon manual page, and googled a lots of pages, but I couldn't figure out what was wrong. any help? I'm in 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 05:55.33 | streuner | DHCP? |
| 05:55.50 | xenosoz | tried to setting up a static serverrr |
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| 05:57.16 | nanotube | to what package a Clock on KDE panel belongs to? Is there a way to find out? |
| 05:57.38 | xenosoz | "iface eth0 inet static" blahblah in /etc/network/interfaces, and networking is find. But every time I shutdown the system, /etc/resolv.conf is cleaned up. |
| 05:57.48 | xenosoz | networking is fine* |
| 05:59.03 | xterm | does some body knows how can I connect and receive mails from a POP account? |
| 05:59.10 | streuner | chmod o-w /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:59.17 | wols | xterm: fetchmail |
| 05:59.24 | wols | streuner: chattr +i |
| 05:59.42 | wols | resolv.conf is root writable only anyways |
| 06:00.18 | streuner | xenosoz: you heard what wols told you |
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| 06:00.48 | xenosoz | I'm paying full attention here |
| 06:00.58 | streuner | hehe |
| 06:01.22 | xenosoz | reading what chattr does. :) |
| 06:01.39 | xenosoz | do* |
| 06:02.07 | bkw | I trying to migrate a host to a virtual machine. I've copied all the files and mounted / to /target at the virtual machine. But I have problems writing bootloader with grub-install. I mean I cannot chroot target ; grub-install /dev/sda since sda doesn't exist :( |
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| 06:03.43 | tictac | is there a way to change the behavior of make-kpkg so that it doesnt change the options of my kernel lines in menu.lst ? |
| 06:04.16 | bpun | tictac, isn't that grub? |
| 06:04.18 | xenosoz | what a tough solution. thank you anyway. streuner, wols :) |
| 06:04.44 | tictac | bpun: yes, however when i build a kernel and it updates grub.. it deletes my kernel specific options |
| 06:04.46 | hark | xterm: there's getmail4 too |
| 06:05.00 | hark | xenosoz: you're using network manager? |
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| 06:05.40 | xenosoz | hark: yes, /etc/resolv.conf says that it is generated by NeworkManager |
| 06:05.53 | bpun | tictac, well you can dpkg install and pass the no-run scripts option..i believe the install scripts by dpkg are running changing your already existing menu.lst |
| 06:06.18 | tictac | ahh. |
| 06:06.20 | quasisane | tictac: settings 'do_bootloader = NO' in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 06:06.21 | bpun | tictac, if that's what you want.. or perhaps another option might do.. |
| 06:06.27 | quasisane | *setting |
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| 06:07.43 | bpun | tictac, that's definitely a good key quasisane gave.. didn't know that.. |
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| 06:08.14 | tictac | interesting. thanks guys :) |
| 06:08.15 | hark | xenosoz: yeah, just wondering.. didn't think that NM supports static interfaces ( directly at least) |
| 06:09.32 | streuner | usually DHCP $client makes some changes in resolves.conf..., it should be something else which made the *nasty* changes then ;-) |
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| 06:10.19 | xenosoz | hark: oh, then should I unstall NM for using static interfaces? / I've installed Debian with "[X]Desktop Environment" for the first time, using Gnome and actually don't know what I can say more for describe my situation. |
| 06:10.20 | streuner | take a look into examples (/usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples)... |
| 06:10.53 | xenosoz | streuner: i'll try that :) |
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| 06:11.51 | hark | xenosoz: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for info |
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| 06:13.55 | roxy_ | I am trying to write the configuration file for svgmath. I need to give path to font, example file for windows is: C:\WINDOWS\Fonts\times.ttf I search for times.ttf but couldn't find it on my debian . What file would be equivalent ? |
| 06:14.37 | cafuego | roxy_: put times.ttf in ~/fonts |
| 06:14.40 | cafuego | ~/.fonts even |
| 06:14.52 | cafuego | then use /home/user/.fonts/times.ttf |
| 06:15.00 | hark | it's part of msttcorefonts afaik |
| 06:15.03 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.09 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:16.17 | streuner | cafuego: didnt work for me |
| 06:16.45 | cafuego | streuner: you broke it |
| 06:16.48 | xenosoz | hark: It said that interface configured as static is *not* managed by NM but couldn't understand why mhy resolv.conf cleaned up each time I shutdown my system. |
| 06:17.03 | streuner | cafuego: :-P |
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| 06:20.17 | rati | how to test IDS in linux |
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| 06:20.57 | mancubus | rati, try scan ports |
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| 06:23.47 | roxy_ | cafuego, hark: thanks, working |
| 06:24.12 | cafuego | roxy_: kewl ;-) |
| 06:25.00 | cafuego | streuner: you SO broke it |
| 06:25.22 | roxy_ | cafuego: this is the only meaning of "kewl" I could find: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kewl |
| 06:25.34 | RememberPOL | hark: I suppose it's also possible to insert the ipw2200 firmware into the netinst ISO before burning to disc so after installing the base system, my card will work? |
| 06:26.53 | cafuego | roxy_: Yes, but read "californian barbie-types" where it says "morons". |
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| 06:27.59 | Guerin | RememberPOL: if you know how to remaster a debian installer, sure |
| 06:28.11 | roxy_ | cafuego: OMG, DIS Sh1t iz kewl!!!!111 |
| 06:28.50 | RememberPOL | Guerin: Do you know how to find out which version of the ipw2200 driver is on the netinst disc? |
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| 06:29.21 | Guerin | RememberPOL: none of them. |
| 06:29.24 | cafuego | roxy_: ponies!!!!@@! |
| 06:29.33 | Guerin | RememberPOL: at least, I don't recall it being so. |
| 06:29.36 | cafuego | gag me with a spoon, fer shure |
| 06:30.12 | Guerin | cafuego: don't worry, no matter how stupid you sound, you don't sound as stupid as the people on http://feayn.org/~lewis/clarkvader/ |
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| 06:32.11 | hark | RememberPOL: why bother? not worth the effort... |
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| 06:32.52 | RememberPOL | It just irks me that my wireless card works out of box on Ubuntu, but won't with Debian. |
| 06:32.58 | hark | heh man, you're really after her. First you compare her to Stalin, now Vader .. |
| 06:33.06 | RememberPOL | If Debian can't distribute it for legal reasons, then why can Ubuntu? :| |
| 06:33.32 | cafuego | Guerin: I don't sound the way I type at all! |
| 06:34.04 | cafuego | Guerin: Which of those mp3s would you recommend I use as ring tone? |
| 06:34.05 | streuner | !dfsg |
| 06:34.05 | dpkg | from memory, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 06:34.18 | streuner | read that |
| 06:34.19 | Guerin | cafuego: hm, that's a good question |
| 06:34.23 | Guerin | cafuego: gimme a moment |
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| 06:34.55 | streuner | cafuego: haha |
| 06:35.21 | cafuego | they all sound finny, so they're all a laugh either way |
| 06:35.34 | Guerin | cafuego: http://feayn.org/~lewis/clarkvader/20070620-061315-pacific-miti_rini.mp3 has music at the start |
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| 06:35.43 | Guerin | that would suit |
| 06:35.57 | streuner | must be fun traveling by train and suddenly such a ringtone *bells* ;-) |
| 06:36.03 | Guerin | RememberPOL: ask #ubuntu |
| 06:36.07 | Guerin | !intel |
| 06:36.08 | dpkg | intel is, like, http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/NOTICE |
| 06:36.12 | RememberPOL | streuner: That doesn't help me understand the legality of anything. If Ubuntu is distributing the ipw2200 firmware, then why aren't they getting sued? |
| 06:36.16 | Guerin | RememberPOL: read the above notice â |
| 06:36.17 | RememberPOL | Heh, okay. |
| 06:36.41 | cafuego | dammit, save-as doesn't do obex:// |
| 06:36.47 | Guerin | heh |
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| 06:37.12 | Guerin | cafuego: http://feayn.org/~lewis/clarkvader/20070620-061315-pacific-miti_rini.mp3 |
| 06:37.27 | Guerin | graah |
| 06:37.31 | Guerin | stupid pasties |
| 06:37.38 | cafuego | 's okay, i gots it |
| 06:37.51 | cafuego | it's on the phon |
| 06:37.53 | cafuego | e |
| 06:37.57 | streuner | hehe |
| 06:37.59 | Guerin | this represents about half the corpus of data for my university research |
| 06:38.10 | hark | get the clarkvader wallpaper too while you're at it ;) |
| 06:38.40 | cafuego | set as ringtone |
| 06:38.51 | cafuego | fuck, that's annoying |
| 06:38.54 | Guerin | heh |
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| 06:39.10 | cafuego | lets see if it goes off at the lug meeting tonight :-) |
| 06:39.10 | Guerin | that's 60 horus a week for me ;) |
| 06:39.54 | Guerin | kittens demand food |
| 06:40.01 | Guerin | i must requisition supplies |
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| 06:41.21 | cafuego | that pic is a bit too small to be wallpaper |
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| 06:45.00 | cafuego | http://pix.cafuego.net/main.php/v/test/P7030027.JPG.html |
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| 06:48.20 | hark | heh, you're all set :) |
| 06:48.23 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 06:48.36 | cafuego | my phone is _really_ kewl now |
| 06:48.49 | cafuego | though if i visit NZ I might get deported |
| 06:48.54 | rahul | Azar: I'm here, too |
| 06:49.06 | Azar | hey rahul, how is going? :) |
| 06:49.08 | cafuego | Guerin: Did you catch Ms Clark on the chaser here? |
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| 06:49.39 | cafuego | She refused to answer her pursuit tivia question |
| 06:49.44 | rahul | dishonorably as usual :) |
| 06:49.59 | rahul | heh, I had a date with one girl and then in less than 24 hours had a date with another one. wee |
| 06:50.13 | cafuego | rahul: slut |
| 06:50.19 | Azar | ok looking at my "top" list I can't figure out what is with this command up there kicking: /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp ?? |
| 06:50.20 | cafuego | sorry |
| 06:50.24 | cafuego | did they know? ;-) |
| 06:50.27 | rahul | heh |
| 06:50.28 | rahul | no |
| 06:50.41 | cafuego | that they were on a date with you, i mean |
| 06:50.51 | rahul | hahaha |
| 06:50.54 | rahul | !penixstrike cafuego |
| 06:50.55 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking cafuego to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 06:51.04 | rahul | ... and then I went to a strip club after that |
| 06:51.04 | cafuego | but it was worth it! |
| 06:51.08 | rahul | heh |
| 06:51.18 | jelly-home | Azar: it's the X server, your friendky graphical environment provider |
| 06:51.21 | Penix | a female strip club? |
| 06:51.44 | Azar | jelly-home: thanks :) |
| 06:51.53 | rahul | it's the ghost of smitings past! |
| 06:51.57 | Penix | hehe |
| 06:52.04 | rahul | Penix: er, one where females were stripping, yes |
| 06:52.13 | Penix | rahul: good |
| 06:52.20 | rahul | this russian girl gave me like 3 free lap dances |
| 06:52.36 | rahul | well, one was because I was giving her a massage... she wasn't gonna charge me for that :P |
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| 06:53.07 | Azar | rahul: are you trying to convince us there is nothing between you and stoned? |
| 06:53.19 | rahul | hahaha |
| 06:53.26 | jelly-home | nothing, not even clothes |
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| 06:53.32 | Azar | uh uhh |
| 06:53.33 | rahul | Penix: what if it were a male strip club? |
| 06:53.35 | rahul | heh |
| 06:54.23 | Penix | !penixbutter |
| 06:54.29 | Penix | aww |
| 06:54.31 | rahul | and julia wants to go out with me this week, too |
| 06:55.09 | jelly-home | !rmi |
| 06:55.12 | jelly-home | !tmi |
| 06:55.13 | dpkg | well, tmi is too much information, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island |
| 06:55.47 | rahul | we must resuRRECT the penixbutter factoid |
| 06:56.30 | Guerin | cafuego: heh, no, I didn't |
| 06:57.42 | simonrvn | it's a Penix! |
| 06:57.54 | rahul | indeed |
| 06:57.56 | Guerin | THE |
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| 06:58.06 | rahul | it's THE a Penix |
| 06:58.36 | Penix | it's a the an a penix |
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| 06:58.53 | sussudio | %penixstrike Penix |
| 06:58.54 | badgers | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 06:58.54 | rahul | hrm |
| 06:58.57 | dondelelcaro | folks, #debian-offtopic is right over there... |
| 06:58.59 | rahul | I'm growing a belly |
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| 07:01.12 | cafuego | Guerin: http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/tv/chaser/war/vodcast/chaser_2007_ep13.mp4 |
| 07:01.38 | jzxu | I wish there's a way to use both my cores for compiling stuff |
| 07:01.48 | dondelelcaro | jzxu: there is. |
| 07:01.49 | cafuego | jzxu: make -j is your friend |
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| 07:02.00 | jzxu | a great discovery! |
| 07:02.08 | cafuego | -j4 for 2 cores |
| 07:02.22 | cafuego | is more ore less optimal |
| 07:02.38 | jzxu | thanks guys |
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| 07:02.48 | jzxu | this is going to save me tons of time |
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| 07:05.16 | streuner | dondelelcaro: there were any questions since 10 minutes... |
| 07:05.40 | streuner | s/were/werent/ |
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| 07:05.59 | SlayerXP | morning ubuntu fans |
| 07:06.10 | jzxu | wrong room? |
| 07:06.19 | simonrvn | !room |
| 07:06.19 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 07:06.30 | SlayerXP | jzxu: only AOL has rooms, we're stuck with old fashioned channels here. |
| 07:06.37 | tralala | fans is softly put - you should say zealots |
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| 07:07.02 | jzxu | oops, my bad |
| 07:07.36 | rahul | uBLUNTu |
| 07:08.10 | simonrvn | what's the operation aptitude is performing when it's doing "Initializing package states"? |
| 07:08.32 | rahul | probably loading up the equivalent of dpkg -l |
| 07:08.40 | Azar | finally!!! a fun REad!!! http://www.spacezone.de/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=41&w=en |
| 07:08.45 | rahul | using libapt, of course |
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| 07:08.53 | erik | I burned the 3 DVD's of ETCH and checked them (MD5SUM, the iso's AND the individual files. All reported OK. now I want to install fwbuilder and I get this from Synaptic Package Manager: |
| 07:08.55 | erik | W: Failed to fetch cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-2 20070407-11:40]/pool/main/libf/libfwbuilder/libfwbuilder6c2a_2.0.9-3.4_i386.deb |
| 07:08.57 | erik | why ? and what do I do about it. It's not only this package that gives me this, btw... |
| 07:09.07 | Azar | Computer are designed to run Windows Media Player or the Linux Equivalent thereof!!! |
| 07:09.42 | rahul | erik: did you put the dvd in the drive? |
| 07:09.42 | simonrvn | i suspect i need to build the libxapian db or something |
| 07:10.07 | erik | rahul: of course. Other parts of fwbuilder loaded OK. |
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| 07:10.23 | SlayerXP | Azar: If that's not actually a "fun read" by my definitions, I reserve the right to mock you until you cry like a little girl who's puppy has just been kicked. |
| 07:10.24 | Azar | hi simonrvn , maybe aptitude is checking packages marked auto / |
| 07:11.03 | simonrvn | it's the newer aptitude, built against the 0.7.2 libapt |
| 07:11.05 | Azar | SlayerXP: yes it is fun, there indeed ARE people that think a computer should be , or is a jukebox |
| 07:11.05 | simonrvn | hi |
| 07:11.07 | rahul | erik: and is that file on the disk? |
| 07:11.13 | kanson | the commands i put into /etc/sudoers has no effect. i have checked that there is a /etc/init.d/sudo. what else could be wrong? |
| 07:11.30 | SlayerXP | Azar: nope, sorry, that's not so much "fun" as "whiny person with a very poor grasp of the English language" |
| 07:11.52 | erik | Rahul: it is supposed to be... Synaptic asked me for disk 2. I did not manually check. |
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| 07:12.15 | SlayerXP | Azar: also "person who doesn't know how to use a spelling checker" |
| 07:12.30 | rahul | erik: well, check :) |
| 07:12.52 | Azar | SlayerXP: your "XP" comes from the famouse w...XP? |
| 07:13.12 | Azar | usually xp users grasp the "dictionary politics" |
| 07:13.17 | simonrvn | s,famouse,infamous, |
| 07:13.28 | SlayerXP | Azar: actually it's a base-26 count of the number of people who've asked me where my nick comes from |
| 07:13.33 | kanson | XP = Xremely Poor |
| 07:13.42 | Azar | when they don't have a better argument jump on "spelling" issues |
| 07:14.32 | kanson | American spelling is different from British spelling. |
| 07:14.37 | SlayerXQ | Azar: my little sister, aged 8, was able to construct sentences with more elegance than the author of that piece. |
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| 07:14.41 | kanson | who is right? |
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| 07:14.57 | Arafangion | What's a good build tool for downloading opensource projects and compiling themt o suit? (Ie, ports like) |
| 07:15.08 | rahul | Arafangion: debian |
| 07:15.12 | kanson | SlayerXQ, stop bullshitting. |
| 07:15.37 | Arafangion | rahul: I use aptitude all the time, but I want something that's convenient for various little projects not up-to-date in debian, such as wine. |
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| 07:15.49 | rahul | !bpo |
| 07:15.49 | dpkg | it has been said that backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 07:15.50 | Arafangion | rahul: Very little beats aptitude for *binary* packages. |
| 07:15.52 | SlayerXQ | kanson: okay, actually she could do that before her 8th birthday. |
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| 07:16.02 | rahul | Arafangion: dpkg can build packages, you know |
| 07:16.07 | Arafangion | rahul: backports is crap if one wants to be on the latest git tree. |
| 07:16.08 | rahul | that's how debs get made... |
| 07:16.09 | Gigantic | .!boo |
| 07:16.11 | erik | rahul: it is there |
| 07:16.15 | siimo | Arafangion: ah i prefer apt-get to aptititude imo! |
| 07:16.16 | kanson | :D, that's a bigger pile of bullshit. |
| 07:16.20 | Arafangion | rahul: Yes, I know... How do I script it such taht I can easily keep it up-to-date! |
| 07:16.27 | rahul | siimo: not here, please. this is a support channel. |
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| 07:16.38 | siimo | rahul: wtf |
| 07:16.47 | Arafangion | siimo: aptitude does dependencies a little better. |
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| 07:16.57 | siimo | Arafangion: yeah i know but it also installs everything including optional deps |
| 07:16.59 | tralala | Arafangion, if you want to go to the source you no longer have a debian question. Maybe ##linux or #gcc |
| 07:17.06 | rahul | siimo: if you want to argue about how we design the package management tools, please do it on the devel list |
| 07:17.11 | rahul | siimo: wrong |
| 07:17.16 | kanson | does synaptic use aptitude? |
| 07:17.20 | rahul | siimo: please rtfm and then come back |
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| 07:17.34 | rahul | kanson: kinda... it's supposed to be like aptitude but use gtk |
| 07:17.35 | siimo | rahul: stfu i have read it |
| 07:17.48 | rahul | siimo: then stop saying incorrect shit |
| 07:17.53 | Arafangion | tralala: I was hoping that someone here would have something relevant. :( I'm doing everything with prefix=/home/arafangion/mine |
| 07:17.53 | tralala | unless you want to become a maintainer and do it the debian way in which case /msg dpkg nmg |
| 07:17.55 | streuner | kanson: apt-cache show | grep aptitude? |
| 07:18.04 | siimo | rahul: i havent said anything incorrect stop being another cocky indian |
| 07:18.13 | rahul | siimo: you are a tool. rtfm for once. |
| 07:18.23 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:18.29 | kanson | streuner, why not just plain simple apt-cache show aptitude? |
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| 07:18.31 | Gigantic | oops |
| 07:18.37 | Azar | SlayerXP: why aren't you honest and tell me exactly what was successfully hurting your ego on that article? bashing ubuntu or windows? |
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| 07:19.04 | streuner | kanson: if its not in the depends i would *guess* it uses apt-get/dpkg |
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| 07:19.39 | Azar | miser stew! :) |
| 07:20.06 | SlayerXP | Azar: the appalling grammar and spelling. As someone who does technical proofreading, I find it hard to accept an argument written by someone who's first computer clearly wasn't a Speak'n'Spell |
| 07:20.16 | kanson | how does one become a channel operator? |
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| 07:20.34 | Guerin | kanson: one schmoozes up to the Powers That Be |
| 07:20.50 | Azar | SlayerXP: it is sad that you did not noticed that the "mis-spelling" was done as a parody |
| 07:20.51 | kanson | Guerin, who are the Powers That Be? |
| 07:21.05 | kanson | Guerin, are you one of them? |
| 07:21.09 | Guerin | kanson: therein lies the ultimate question. |
| 07:21.22 | Guerin | kanson: I be, but I am not exactly a power |
| 07:21.31 | simonrvn | the channel owner, duh |
| 07:21.32 | Azar | master Guerinnn |
| 07:21.42 | tralala | kanson, you are *not* going to become an op here, that's it |
| 07:22.06 | Guerin | tralala: never say never |
| 07:22.17 | kanson | tralala, you one of the Powers That Be? you can decide on that? |
| 07:22.20 | streuner | Who wants to be an OP anyway, more trouble... |
| 07:22.29 | Arafangion | kanson: It's easy to become a channel operator, the hardest part is generally choosing the unique channel name. |
| 07:22.31 | tictac | where are the early commands located for startup? suchas loading running x command before doing y in init |
| 07:22.33 | tralala | Guerin, I didn't - I said "not" ;) |
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| 07:22.40 | simonrvn | kanson: stop asking please, it's getting annoying |
| 07:22.40 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:23.20 | tralala | streuner, there seem to be plenty of selfless people out there... |
| 07:23.25 | kanson | Fuck all the Channel Operators here. Bunch of MFSOB's, they are. |
| 07:23.34 | Guerin | ah yes |
| 07:23.37 | tralala | !customer |
| 07:23.37 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 07:23.40 | Guerin | singtards ahoy! |
| 07:26.09 | streuner | heh |
| 07:26.09 | tralala | What he needs is strong parenting. Ban for all the Hollywood actions with bad language. |
| 07:26.42 | Azar | plenty like him on private irc's |
| 07:26.47 | Guerin | tralala: see, I have a theory that it's confucianism from the family up to the state which makes singaporeans obnoxious |
| 07:27.02 | stew | Guerin: drop it |
| 07:27.37 | streuner | at least a warning, thats a good challange |
| 07:27.54 | Guerin | stew: fair enough. |
| 07:28.01 | tralala | Guerin, don't anger the Powers That Be |
| 07:28.09 | Guerin | tralala: *far* too late for that. |
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| 07:28.35 | tralala | I'm a slow typist with a lag... |
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| 07:28.52 | Guerin | tralala: no ... I mean months |
| 07:29.12 | jzxu | I just built a new 2.6.21 kernel, but when I try to boot it up, I get a message saying "Waiting for root file system" |
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| 07:29.19 | Guerin | !wayc jzxu |
| 07:29.19 | dpkg | jzxu: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
| 07:29.36 | rati | what kind of attacks other than port scanning IDS detects |
| 07:29.58 | tralala | rati, everything that's described in IDS' docs |
| 07:29.59 | Guerin | rati: depends |
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| 07:30.27 | Guerin | if you don't know about any other attacks then an IDS is unlikely to be useful to you |
| 07:30.58 | simonrvn | dunno, using snort taught me a lot... prompted me to do research |
| 07:31.01 | tralala | and port scanning on its own is hardly an attack |
| 07:31.09 | simonrvn | just annoying |
| 07:31.09 | jzxu | Guerin, is the newest kernel version in the repository? |
| 07:31.15 | Guerin | !newest |
| 07:31.15 | dpkg | newest is probably For your Debian, say "3.0", "Sarge",similar. |
| 07:31.21 | Guerin | hm |
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| 07:31.27 | Guerin | jzxu: why do you need the newest? |
| 07:31.41 | tralala | jzxu, bpo has 21 |
| 07:31.47 | jzxu | I really need the very newest, because some hardware on this new laptop I bought has only recently gotten support |
| 07:31.49 | Guerin | jzxu: the bot asked you a question; answer it. |
| 07:31.54 | Guerin | ok, cool |
| 07:31.57 | Guerin | that's an answer |
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| 07:32.28 | Guerin | jzxu: solution: build your filesystem and IDE or sata or whatever modules into the kernel, or use an initrd of some sort |
| 07:32.36 | rati | tralala: Does snort docs gives comprehensive list of attacks?? |
| 07:32.41 | Guerin | jzxu: /msg dpkg kp mantra and it's very likely to work perfectly |
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| 07:32.57 | simonrvn | !newest =~ s,3.0,4.0, |
| 07:32.57 | dpkg | simonrvn: OK |
| 07:33.04 | tralala | rati, I doubt it, but google/wikipedia might |
| 07:33.09 | simonrvn | !newest =~ s,Sarge,Etch, |
| 07:33.09 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
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| 07:33.43 | jzxu | Guerin, so I did "fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image" |
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| 07:33.46 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 07:34.03 | Gigantic | rati: not very verbose |
| 07:34.22 | streuner | simonrvn: /msg dpkg listvals sarge, there are still plenty of the old good stable ones (factoids)... |
| 07:34.27 | simonrvn | rati: not really, no |
| 07:34.28 | Gigantic | rati: helpfull but netstat iptraf and the logs are better options |
| 07:34.35 | Guerin | jzxu: you probably need to change some config thing, then. I recommend using the kp mantra |
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| 07:34.46 | jzxu | Guerin, okay, thanks |
| 07:35.01 | Guerin | jzxu: are you using lvm or something? |
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| 07:35.43 | simonrvn | streuner: many still have woody and earlier, though less of the latter |
| 07:35.43 | duri | does anybody know why nmap sometimes shows me the mac address of the nodes it found and sometimes it does not ? |
| 07:35.48 | Gigantic | rati: chkrootkit AIDE and family too |
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| 07:36.00 | streuner | simonrvn: yeah, i gave up after 1 hour... |
| 07:36.03 | simonrvn | duri: LAN and not LAN |
| 07:36.10 | jzxu | Guerin, no, I'm not. Just plain old partitions |
| 07:36.17 | duri | ah |
| 07:36.20 | duri | gotcha |
| 07:36.23 | duri | thanks |
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| 07:36.39 | jzxu | Guerin, I read online some people talking about the udev package version. Would that have anything to do with it? |
| 07:36.44 | simonrvn | eth to eth like on a real LAN you can get the MACs |
| 07:36.48 | nu11 | hi all |
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| 07:37.31 | nu11 | I can ping my winxp box from my linux box via IP but not via netbios; both are on diffrent subnet |
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| 07:38.16 | simonrvn | ok... what's the question? |
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| 07:41.09 | jzxu | what is the difference between sda and hda? |
| 07:41.21 | Gigantic | sda = serial |
| 07:41.35 | Gigantic | hda = ''ide'' |
| 07:41.42 | streuner | sda was former SCSI, noadays SA |
| 07:41.49 | streuner | s/SA/SATA/ |
| 07:41.54 | Gigantic | or usb |
| 07:42.05 | streuner | or emulated SCSI |
| 07:42.19 | Gigantic | yes, more accurate |
| 07:42.23 | simonrvn | it's still SCSI... those use the SCSI subsystem... |
| 07:43.10 | tralala | Fedora's 2.6.21 lists even ide disksas sdX. I don't know if that's fedora's patching or upstring upstream change |
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| 07:43.40 | simonrvn | sounds like FC patching |
| 07:44.17 | Gigantic | sounds like RH patching |
| 07:44.23 | Gigantic | :) |
| 07:45.22 | tralala | It ain't FC anymore ;) |
| 07:45.57 | simonrvn | nods |
| 07:45.57 | jzxu | yeah so I guess enabling sata support in the kernel would be pretty important for a computer with a sata hard drive ... |
| 07:45.57 | jzxu | I'm an idiot |
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| 07:46.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:46.59 | tralala | Personally I divide the people who compile kernels in two categories - kernel developers/idiots |
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| 07:47.16 | Gigantic | ouch |
| 07:47.24 | tralala | of course, that's just me |
| 07:47.28 | Guerin | but ... I compile my laptop's kernel, and I'm not a kernel dev |
| 07:47.28 | streuner | There is usually NO need to compile kernel in Debian |
| 07:47.36 | Guerin | then again, I manifestly *am* an idiot |
| 07:47.38 | streuner | kernels* |
| 07:48.08 | streuner | jzxu: official kernels just good |
| 07:48.33 | Azar | for people on the run, there are precompiled kernels, for people who want a "personal touched" kernel there is the possibility to make it happen |
| 07:49.00 | jzxu | streuner, there's some really new changes made the alsa just this month which I don't think are in the 2.6.21.1 kernel |
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| 07:49.33 | jzxu | streuner, I was hoping those changes would fix my sound problems, as is rumored on the internet |
| 07:49.45 | Guerin | worth a crack |
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| 07:50.15 | Gigantic | jzxu: if you need ALSA only for example, or a few modules you can simply compile 'em |
| 07:50.20 | tralala | always a good policy if your hardware is supported |
| 07:50.27 | Gigantic | jzxu: (most times) |
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| 07:50.38 | jzxu | I would definitely use a stock kernel if possible |
| 07:50.45 | jzxu | I'm not one of those people |
| 07:51.12 | Gigantic | No need to be old |
| 07:51.23 | Gigantic | I have latest hw |
| 07:51.26 | tralala | I remember compiling only one module from 2.6.18 when I was using a backported 2.6.17 on my Sarge |
| 07:51.38 | Gigantic | just good idea to check before |
| 07:52.39 | Gigantic | jzxu: do: make defconfig if unsure |
| 07:53.02 | jzxu | Gigantic, what does that do? |
| 07:53.13 | Gigantic | jzxu: do: make help |
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| 07:53.56 | Gigantic | make randconfig would be much more fun tho :D |
| 07:54.20 | jzxu | actually I probably should have tried to install one of these unstable kernel-image packages first |
| 07:56.05 | Decepticon | whats the least configuration ftp server for debian that everyone uses? |
| 07:56.48 | Gigantic | Decepticon: everyone? |
| 07:56.59 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: the least configuration is not using one. |
| 07:57.15 | dondelelcaro | since you really should be using scp or sftp anyway. |
| 07:57.15 | Decepticon | okay the most minimal config, out of the box |
| 07:57.39 | tralala | Decepticon, ssh |
| 07:57.56 | Gigantic | Decepticon: what is the real question? |
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| 07:58.28 | Decepticon | i want to transfer a file to someone over the internet with resume ability , but i dont want to have to edit a lot of config files in whtever new software i want to use for this purpose |
| 07:58.40 | Decepticon | is the question |
| 07:58.46 | Gigantic | Decepticon: lighthttp |
| 07:58.47 | Guerin | Decepticon: use rapidshare |
| 07:58.55 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 07:59.01 | Decepticon | i have apache set up though already |
| 07:59.12 | Gigantic | use it then |
| 07:59.17 | Decepticon | so i guess i just have to get the other person a resumeble downloader |
| 07:59.20 | Decepticon | ok |
| 07:59.28 | Gigantic | the resume is mainly supported by the client |
| 07:59.58 | Gigantic | although it can be disabled, is by default enabled in Apache |
| 08:00.22 | Gigantic | Decepticon: there's wget for windows |
| 08:00.51 | Decepticon | ah i see |
| 08:01.04 | Guerin | firefopx probably has 100 download extensions |
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| 08:01.38 | Gigantic | Guerin: yah, 'status bar' is prettu nice |
| 08:01.45 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:03.51 | ma3x | how do I set a command to execute when a certain key pressed? |
| 08:04.06 | Gigantic | ma3x: mapping keys |
| 08:04.34 | ma3x | Gigantic, but where do you add the command- like iceweasel for example? |
| 08:04.34 | Gigantic | ma3x: xkbset may help... but I guess you want to make work the special keys in the keyborad right? |
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| 08:04.47 | ma3x | Gigantic, yeah the multimedia keys |
| 08:05.11 | Gigantic | ma3x: two things: 1) run xkb adn type the key |
| 08:05.29 | Gigantic | ma3x: see if there's a keycode 999 or other number |
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| 08:05.51 | Gigantic | ma3x: oops: xev |
| 08:06.01 | Raging_Hog | I'm running etch, minimal install with fluxbox. I put on xlock yesterday and system didn't respond anymore with anything else than black screen(it goes after 5 mins or so to blank). Where should I start unraveling the mystery? |
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| 08:06.11 | ma3x | Gigantic, i already know the keycode |
| 08:06.25 | ma3x | how do I bind the command? |
| 08:06.47 | erik | what is a good, handy Internet source for a linux manual, like to find the details of linux commands ? |
| 08:06.48 | Gigantic | ma3x: well is just that many times the key can not be seen with xev and you need other tools... |
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| 08:07.06 | Gigantic | ma3x: then just install xkbset |
| 08:07.08 | ma3x | Gigantic, xev detects it |
| 08:07.15 | timthelion | hey, I want to use xbindkeys to make the Pause key hibernate the computer. how do I give my normal user permition to do this. just 'hibernate' does not work, and ofcourse 'urxvt -e sudo hibernate' ruins the point of the one button hibernation |
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| 08:08.15 | Guerin | ma3x: xmodmap -e 'keycode 999 = whatever' |
| 08:08.21 | Gigantic | ma3x: has been a long time since I use it, but once installed, it is just a little file you edit... you'd have to read the help tho.. I don't remember |
| 08:08.39 | ma3x | yeah, I guess xkbset can't do it |
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| 08:08.54 | Guerin | timthelion: use powersaved |
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| 08:09.34 | ma3x | Guerin, does .xmodmap file need to be created or it's saved after every time I reboot the computer? |
| 08:09.52 | Guerin | ma3x: that command is run at a shell |
| 08:09.59 | Guerin | ma3x: that's all i know about the topic |
| 08:10.04 | ma3x | ok thanks |
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| 08:10.25 | Gigantic | ma3x: there's a parameter file I was talking about |
| 08:10.44 | Gigantic | ma3x: in the xsettings... somewhere :p |
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| 08:12.14 | timthelion | Gigantic: that seems to be aliased to kpowersaved. are you sure that's what I want? I don't have anything against kde but I was kinda looking for a command line solution |
| 08:12.41 | ma3x | there was some kind of frontend for doing those keycode command run thing |
| 08:13.21 | Gigantic | timthelion: ? that was for ma3x |
| 08:13.39 | Gigantic | timthelion: dunno what you're talking about :) |
| 08:13.45 | timthelion | oops wrong nick |
| 08:13.51 | timthelion | I meant Guerin |
| 08:13.56 | timthelion | sorry |
| 08:14.04 | ma3x | ah there we go - it's xbindkeys |
| 08:14.10 | Gigantic | ma3x: keytouch? |
| 08:14.23 | Gigantic | ma3x: That's what I use |
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| 08:14.33 | timthelion | noo don't install keytouch unless at last resort |
| 08:14.44 | Gigantic | timthelion: ? |
| 08:14.49 | Guerin | timthelion: powersaved is a daemon - i'm not sure if it hauls in a bunch of kde shite since my laptop has kde on it already (my wife uses it) |
| 08:15.16 | timthelion | I used to use it, it seems to add another layer of complexity on x's already buggy event system |
| 08:15.25 | ma3x | Gigantic, I used it too until it stopped working (/etc/init.d/keytouch-init start doesn't initialize) |
| 08:15.33 | tralala | Guerin, don't try to blame it on your wife and just admit that you're a kde user! |
| 08:15.46 | Gigantic | ma3x: there's no need to run it as system service |
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| 08:15.56 | Gigantic | ma3x: it can run as user too |
| 08:16.08 | Guerin | tralala: i was, but I've been clean since 2004. |
| 08:16.38 | tralala | heh |
| 08:16.48 | Gigantic | tralala: everyone loves kdeusers |
| 08:17.39 | tralala | Gigantic, yeah, I've noticed that as one of the positive side effects of using kde |
| 08:18.27 | timthelion | I love kde, but my lappy can't deal with it |
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| 08:18.53 | tralala | it's not for the fainted of cpu |
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| 08:19.24 | tralala | and memory |
| 08:19.54 | Gigantic | Actually Gnome uses a lot more mem and cpu... |
| 08:20.03 | Gigantic | 'cause of GTK... |
| 08:20.17 | tralala | does it? I never cared to compare |
| 08:20.19 | Arafangion | Gigantic: Bullshit :) |
| 08:20.29 | Gigantic | I have the proofs... |
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| 08:20.55 | Arafangion | Gigantic: Oh, "proofs", right? |
| 08:21.11 | Arafangion | Gigantic: gtk apps run very quickly here, but gnome takes longer. |
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| 08:21.14 | tralala | however from an user pov I've always found GTK << QT |
| 08:21.25 | Arafangion | timthelion: What's it like? |
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| 08:21.37 | Gigantic | *desktop Wars |
| 08:21.39 | Arafangion | tralala: I find Qt more consistent, indeed. |
| 08:22.08 | Gigantic | Arafangion: no, really. lemme find the site... |
| 08:22.18 | timthelion | Arafangion: it's like having a little chineese lady(given that you don't speak chineese) running after you and setting things up for you, and cleaning up after you |
| 08:22.43 | mosno | i recently switched to KDE from Gnome (Gnome was main desktop since 2.8) -- KDE seems more self-consistent and integrated from a UI perspective |
| 08:22.44 | tralala | Arafangion, not to mention that until recently GTK was having very poor keyboard navigation support and even now it's still wanting |
| 08:22.44 | Arafangion | timthelion: Sounds marvelous. |
| 08:22.58 | Arafangion | tralala: Indeed, that's true. |
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| 08:23.31 | Arafangion | tralala: I'm quite impressed with Qt's design, despite never having coded in it. I like the way they've chosen C++, etc. |
| 08:23.34 | timthelion | Arafangion: like if you have a window, then the window is fullscreen. if you add a seccond, both windows take up half the screen. |
| 08:23.45 | Arafangion | timthelion: NICE. |
| 08:24.27 | timthelion | Arafangion: it's kinda hard to install |
| 08:24.44 | Arafangion | timthelion: Bleh, not in Debian Etch :( |
| 08:25.33 | timthelion | ya, you have to install it from darcs. and you need to install ghc and some of it's libraries |
| 08:25.40 | timthelion | it's kinda complex |
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| 08:26.14 | Arafangion | timthelion: Does it support multiple screens of different resolutions? |
| 08:26.21 | timthelion | but if you look on the page, you will see it is like some other wm's which are easier to install than it but have the same automagic functionality |
| 08:26.34 | timthelion | Arafangion: that is actually it's claim to fame |
| 08:26.47 | tralala | Arafangion, I've read an article about Qt's design a while ago and it was putting it as far better than GTK's. Personally I find GUI programming as a mind bogging job so I was never bothered to learn any of them. |
| 08:28.12 | Gigantic | Arafangion: Well.. I don't see it, but I found something about ActiveX with Konqueror :p |
| 08:28.30 | Arafangion | timthelion: I'll put it onto my todo list, I want to learn haskell anyway (Infact, I have a book on it - "The Haskell School of Expression". |
| 08:28.38 | jzxu | ha, all my hard work was not fruitless, I finally have audio |
| 08:28.51 | Gigantic | timthelion: indeed ! |
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| 08:29.21 | Guerin | tralala: nice if you have a very high-resolution display |
| 08:29.22 | Arafangion | timthelion: Though, I do wonder why haskell's such a PITA to install, in general. The copmiler and environment is extremely complicated, despite the deceptively simple language. |
| 08:29.27 | Guerin | err |
| 08:29.33 | Guerin | timthelion: nice if you have a very high-resolution display |
| 08:29.44 | tralala | why would you want emulated active-x insecurity when you can have your very own native php! |
| 08:29.45 | timthelion | Arafangion: haskell is definatly one of the hardest and most exciting languages. it's kinda like talking in a compressed poetic form |
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| 08:30.12 | Arafangion | timthelion: I wasn't aware of it being the /hardest/, per se. |
| 08:30.13 | Guerin | jzxu: awesome |
| 08:30.21 | tralala | haskell is for mad scientists |
| 08:30.30 | Guerin | tralala: resiak likes haskell |
| 08:30.34 | tralala | I'm sure Einstein would've loved it |
| 08:30.36 | Arafangion | timthelion: I've yet to code in it, and I doubt that I'll end up preferring it over C++, but it seems nice and /simple/. |
| 08:30.42 | timthelion | Arafangion: it is probable the hardest practical language |
| 08:30.47 | Guerin | he's doing math and CS at oxfnord |
| 08:31.04 | Gigantic | tralala: Was he mad? |
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| 08:31.14 | tralala | it seems that proves my point |
| 08:31.17 | Arafangion | timthelion: Perhaps true, I have yet to learn it practically :( |
| 08:31.29 | tralala | Gigantic, "mad scientist" != mad |
| 08:31.32 | Gigantic | tralala: Maybe Austin Power's Dr. Evil |
| 08:31.33 | Arafangion | timthelion: But I like the functional and lazy-evaluation aspects :) |
| 08:31.49 | timthelion | Arafangion: it's kinda frustrating, because it has a 20:1 line ratio with c++ you can spend an hour planning out 3 lines |
| 08:32.40 | tralala | Einstein is my measure for mad scientists - the 1.0 |
| 08:32.57 | mosno | haskell looks interesting |
| 08:32.59 | timthelion | Arafangion: yes, infinite structures are great fun, as well as y combinators, and lambda stuff |
| 08:33.02 | mosno | but i think i should learn C first |
| 08:33.05 | mosno | stupid linux |
| 08:33.06 | mosno | :P |
| 08:33.08 | xand | haskell is evil |
| 08:33.13 | Gigantic | tralala: To me a Mad Scientist is like in Brain and Pinky |
| 08:33.14 | xand | C is much more useful |
| 08:33.31 | mosno | xand: i *need* to be able to read the source to my system |
| 08:33.40 | Arafangion | timthelion: What I really like about it is the typed rule evaluation language, and the infinite recursion. |
| 08:33.43 | mosno | i'm coming to realise it's the One True Documentation :P |
| 08:33.47 | Guerin | hah |
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| 08:33.56 | Adriano | tralala: what's the top of the mad sci scale? |
| 08:33.56 | cafuego | mosno: you run linuxbios, then? |
| 08:34.00 | k1piee | sup |
| 08:34.01 | Arafangion | timthelion: I want to make a LISP/Haskell hybrid (Not likely to happen, though) |
| 08:34.02 | Adriano | 0 to 10? |
| 08:34.08 | mosno | cafuego: eh? no. why would you tink that |
| 08:34.12 | Gigantic | tralala: like in Frankenstein |
| 08:34.13 | tralala | Adriano, 0 to 1 |
| 08:34.22 | timthelion | Arafangion: isn't that what scheme is? |
| 08:34.30 | Arafangion | timthelion: No. |
| 08:34.30 | Adriano | but Einstein was arguably sane |
| 08:34.41 | Guerin | Adriano: i think he was demonstrably sane |
| 08:34.42 | timthelion | he was not! |
| 08:34.53 | mosno | einstein got the chicks |
| 08:34.55 | Guerin | sure he was |
| 08:35.02 | mosno | therefore he must ahve been a litle crazy |
| 08:35.03 | Guerin | his body of work speaks for itself |
| 08:35.08 | Gigantic | Chrodinger was the mad one, not Einstein |
| 08:35.10 | Adriano | tesla, now... all the tesla coils in n |
| 08:35.15 | Gigantic | he kill his cat! |
| 08:35.16 | timthelion | if he had been sane, he would have, with his philisophacal beleifs comit suicide |
| 08:35.20 | Adriano | sorry, CnC |
| 08:35.30 | Guerin | tralala: that's a tricky ethical question |
| 08:35.31 | tralala | as I sad I define "mad scientist" as != mad |
| 08:35.37 | Guerin | timthelion: that's a tricky ethical question |
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| 08:35.53 | Adriano | tralala: that's an interesting redef of "mad", then |
| 08:35.54 | Arafangion | timthelion: I must say, I've never read into how haskel handles IO and the like, though :( It is hard to see how it works, but for algorithms it looks /very/ neat. |
| 08:35.58 | Gigantic | Guerin: no, just plain bs |
| 08:36.00 | Guerin | timthelion: if he had, we wouldn't have his wise and nisightful one-liners to remind us how fucked everything is |
| 08:36.05 | mosno | -s timethelion -j irrational_conclusion ##fixme |
| 08:36.09 | Guerin | Gigantic: ? |
| 08:36.11 | Gigantic | no tricky at all |
| 08:36.18 | timthelion | Arafangion: you know schrodingers cat? |
| 08:36.24 | Guerin | Gigantic: ethicists disagree. |
| 08:36.32 | Arafangion | timthelion: Yeah? |
| 08:36.33 | Guerin | timthelion: i've never seen one. |
| 08:36.35 | timthelion | Arafangion: you don't know the cat is dead untill you look |
| 08:36.39 | Gigantic | Guerin: Are you one? |
| 08:36.39 | Adriano | Guerin: oneliners? are you talking about einstein or lwall? |
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| 08:36.53 | timthelion | Arafangion: you don't do the io untill you look at the result. |
| 08:37.02 | mosno | im talkin bout lvalue and why my compiler hates me :-) |
| 08:37.15 | tralala | Adriano, for me everyone who's deep into science is mad. Science is soo *not* for normal people. |
| 08:37.18 | Guerin | Gigantic: not really, though I am familiar with some, and I'm a political scientist, which contains elements thereof. |
| 08:37.22 | Arafangion | timthelion: That makes sense, but I'm a person obsessed with the details. |
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| 08:37.38 | Arafangion | timthelion: If haskell's lazily evaluated, and nearly everything is purely functional... |
| 08:37.40 | Gigantic | tralala: Then I think I am prett abnormal |
| 08:37.41 | Adriano | nothing is for normal people, then |
| 08:37.44 | Gigantic | --y |
| 08:37.49 | Arafangion | timthelion: Then how does io work! :) |
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| 08:38.05 | Adriano | I could use the same argument about any other human interest |
| 08:38.07 | mosno | tralala: hrm, yes rational, objective reasoning based on evidence. completely loony. |
| 08:38.08 | mosno | not. |
| 08:38.23 | Adriano | "accountancy is not for normal people" |
| 08:38.28 | iwkse_ | hi all, how's called the matlab software for linux? I found scilab but i do not see it in sid repos..any help? |
| 08:38.37 | Adriano | iwkse_: octave |
| 08:38.41 | timthelion | Arafangion: well, basically, it has a mode, in which it is not pure |
| 08:38.46 | iwkse_ | Adrian: thanks| |
| 08:38.52 | Gigantic | is it for normal people to IRC anyway? |
| 08:38.52 | tralala | Gigantic, if you're a haskel (wannabe) programmer, you certainly are |
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| 08:39.15 | Adriano | Gigantic: what kinda question is that? most certainly not |
| 08:39.20 | Gigantic | tralala: :) |
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| 08:39.31 | tralala | mosno, evidence, right... |
| 08:39.35 | Guerin | Adriano: like `Common sense is those prejudices accumulated by adulthood' |
| 08:39.39 | Guerin | or words to that effect |
| 08:39.59 | tralala | anyway I'm not giving *the* definition here, merely *my* definition |
| 08:40.01 | Adriano | normal people on IRC? that'd be, like, sooo uncool! |
| 08:40.13 | timthelion | I'm normal |
| 08:40.15 | Arafangion | timthelion: One of my language ideas is to have pure functional functions, and "engines", which fire of functions with various arguments, kinda like an "event generator". |
| 08:40.44 | Gigantic | Adriano: so, to be cool I need to use msn and listen to madonna? |
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| 08:41.08 | Adriano | have you ever wondered about the possibilities of event-driven programming on unix? |
| 08:41.12 | mosno | tralala: evidence... yes. |
| 08:41.14 | Guerin | how does normal != cool? |
| 08:41.18 | tralala | and apparently I'm not into science and/or haskell. Surely enough there are plenty of people who think I'm insane because of my involvment with computers and they're just as right as I am about people involved with science. |
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| 08:41.21 | Guerin | and !normal = cool? |
| 08:41.24 | Gigantic | Adriano: 'cause that explain a lot of things... |
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| 08:41.30 | timthelion | Arafangion: that's kinda how haskell works, you have a non-pure linier main function, and then everything it calls is either io, or pure |
| 08:41.30 | Adriano | shame we only get two default SIGUSR |
| 08:41.52 | mosno | tralala: even though you're not insane you still defend it... hrm. |
| 08:41.54 | Adriano | Gigantic: you are reading my sentence seriously. Don't |
| 08:41.57 | Arafangion | timthelion: I think I would like that :) |
| 08:41.59 | Gigantic | Guerin: normal != cool ? |
| 08:42.15 | Guerin | Gigantic: that's demonstrably untrue in many cases. |
| 08:42.17 | Adriano | normal is mostly != to cool |
| 08:42.24 | Guerin | I disagree |
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| 08:42.33 | Guerin | cool is normative |
| 08:42.36 | Adriano | once what Âis cool is normal, it ceases to be cool |
| 08:42.37 | timthelion | Arafangion: the goal is to contain the impurities, so you can have large bodies of proven code |
| 08:42.38 | tralala | mosno, that's what they call a pov/opinion |
| 08:42.41 | Guerin | therefore normal = cool |
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| 08:42.59 | Adriano | cool implies a certain exclusivity |
| 08:43.05 | Gigantic | Guerin: ?? |
| 08:43.15 | Arafangion | timthelion: It's such a shame that the haskel runtime and compiler themselves are so complicated to install and to port :( |
| 08:43.31 | Arafangion | timthelion: I suspect they're also quite big? |
| 08:43.32 | tralala | mosno, btw besides evidence science has axioms - remove them and it's all gone |
| 08:43.32 | Gigantic | Guerin: if everyone looks the same and behave the same, how can be anyone bee cool? |
| 08:43.44 | Adriano | guerin just assigned "cool" to "normal". Or maybe he's programming in an un-C-like language |
| 08:43.44 | timthelion | Adriano: not around here, you can say "I'm cool" to mean, I'm content |
| 08:43.50 | Adriano | I know |
| 08:43.59 | mosno | tralala: axioms that are formed from observation of reality. |
| 08:44.06 | Adriano | cool == calm == fine == well |
| 08:44.07 | mosno | tralala: as opposed to... |
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| 08:44.33 | Gigantic | Adriano: or == I'm freezing |
| 08:44.49 | Adriano | nah, cool != freezing |
| 08:44.50 | Guerin | Gigantic: `the same' is not the same as `normal'. Normative social meaning tends to have a larger or smaller tolerance; I'd say `cool' has a fairly wide tolerance. |
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| 08:45.03 | Guerin | Adriano: I didn't; society did. |
| 08:45.06 | tralala | it's been said that normal is just another word for a big number of small abnormalities |
| 08:45.10 | timthelion | Arafangion: I don't understand, there is no haskell runtime(it's a compiled language) and the compiler is trivial to install: aptitude install ghc |
| 08:45.15 | Guerin | timthelion: exactly. |
| 08:45.18 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:45.20 | Guerin | tralala: exactly. |
| 08:45.22 | Arafangion | timthelion: Trivial on debian, perhaps. |
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| 08:45.41 | mosno | Arafangion: any other distro is shear heresy :P |
| 08:45.42 | tralala | mosno, and that's an evidence that they are correct? |
| 08:45.45 | Adriano | Guerin: joking was I |
| 08:45.53 | mosno | tralala: what's my option |
| 08:45.57 | Arafangion | timthelion: perhaps trivial on anything else that already has haskell, too. |
| 08:46.04 | mosno | tralala: what do you say i should be rather than scientific |
| 08:46.05 | Guerin | Adriano: yeah, true. But I don't really get computer jokes, so ... |
| 08:46.07 | tralala | mosno, well mine isn't |
| 08:46.17 | Arafangion | timthelion: But you sure haskell doesn't have a runtime? |
| 08:46.37 | mosno | tralala: what is this greater wisdom or way you speak of |
| 08:47.08 | Arafangion | timthelion: C is a compiled language, yet it too, has a runtime. |
| 08:47.14 | timthelion | Arafangion: you compile directly to exectutable, and there are haskell to machiene code compilers, though I suspect ghc uses a built in virtual machiene |
| 08:47.37 | timthelion | Arafangion: wtf do you mean, C needs no runtime |
| 08:47.37 | tralala | mosno, who says I'm speaking of greater wisdom? On the countrary I'm questioning the scientists/science wisdom. |
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| 08:48.08 | mosno | tralala: relative to what about them/it specifically? |
| 08:48.22 | Arafangion | timthelion: C does need a runtime environment. |
| 08:48.23 | tralala | their axioms |
| 08:48.28 | mosno | tralala: which ones |
| 08:48.34 | tralala | or "observations" |
| 08:48.41 | Arafangion | timthelion: A runtime environment != interpreter. |
| 08:48.42 | mosno | sure. but which |
| 08:48.55 | Adriano | if you question 400 years of science, at least provide some wisdom of your own |
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| 08:49.21 | tralala | Adriano, do you think I'd be ircing if I had any? |
| 08:49.30 | mosno | ... |
| 08:49.40 | timthelion | Arafangion: then what is a runtime environment? |
| 08:49.52 | Guerin | ok, pop-quiz: if there was a webside with the 2ld `solopassion', what would you think it was about? |
| 08:49.53 | Adriano | Arafangion: do you mean that C programs require a linker and underlying shell to work? |
| 08:50.05 | Gigantic | tralala: Computing is science too my friend |
| 08:50.22 | Adriano | tralala: I hope IRC doesn't actually drain WIS |
| 08:50.32 | mosno | speaking of science, has anyone listened to the S.C.I.E.N.C.E. album by Incubus? |
| 08:50.37 | Gigantic | tralala: If you do any programing, you are playing with science 'wisdom' |
| 08:50.41 | Guerin | !pal mosno |
| 08:50.43 | Gigantic | (method) |
| 08:50.44 | Guerin | incubus |
| 08:50.44 | mosno | now *that* was science |
| 08:50.45 | Guerin | HAHAHA |
| 08:50.49 | tralala | mosno, actually I object the whole braggin about science being based on evidence/rational when all it's based on is "observations" |
| 08:50.50 | mosno | jk |
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| 08:51.15 | tralala | Gigantic, is that true? |
| 08:51.15 | mosno | tralala: i do not believe that i for one am bragging |
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| 08:51.26 | Adriano | tralala: have you actually done any of them "observations"? |
| 08:51.27 | mosno | and here in the irc badlands, i only speak for myself |
| 08:51.33 | Gigantic | tralala: nah... just bs :p |
| 08:51.35 | tralala | mosno, I didn't say you |
| 08:51.39 | Adriano | I do not see much bragging on sci papers |
| 08:52.01 | tralala | but the people of science (generally) picture themselves as rational |
| 08:52.19 | mosno | Guerin: you had a trigger for /incubus/ didn't you? :-D |
| 08:52.22 | Adriano | rational doesn't mean "uses no axioms" |
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| 08:52.48 | Gigantic | rational = not mad |
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| 08:52.57 | Arafangion | timthelion: Adriano: I mean that they require a set of conventions that allow the programs logic to be held true, and a set of support code to help them run. |
| 08:53.00 | mosno | mad != mad (disambiguation) |
| 08:53.04 | Adriano | and, should you actually want some science without axioms, the Russell and Whitehead tome is right there -> |
| 08:53.07 | tralala | Adriano, yes I have, but I have reserved all the rights to be wrong |
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| 08:53.18 | Gigantic | but mad scientist ... and ... rational... are like .... contradictory isn't it? |
| 08:53.31 | Adriano | tralala: that sounds like normal science |
| 08:53.45 | Adriano | if the scientists near you brag, move out |
| 08:53.54 | Gigantic | tralala: That's an axiom :D |
| 08:54.07 | tralala | Adriano, I don't keep any of them ner me ;) |
| 08:54.08 | mosno | Adriano: or just stfu them |
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| 08:54.27 | tralala | nor a spell checker... |
| 08:54.42 | Arafangion | timthelion: If I think about it, there's no reason why a haskell program can't be entirely self-contained. |
| 08:54.49 | tralala | I really wish there was a spell checking plugin for irssi |
| 08:55.24 | mosno | can anyone vouce for dxpc package? |
| 08:55.27 | mosno | vouch* |
| 08:55.33 | mosno | ie. as comparable to freenx |
| 08:55.35 | tralala | anyway I don't like science/haskell probably because I'm not bright enough to understand it |
| 08:55.49 | Adriano | Arafangion: does every haskell prog need to define its own logic and environment? |
| 08:55.58 | Gigantic | tralala: and that is real bs now |
| 08:56.10 | Gigantic | tralala: you do Linux isn't it? |
| 08:56.23 | Gigantic | tralala: maybe you've made some programming too |
| 08:56.30 | mosno | tralala: funnily enough, from the examples i've read of it, it's easier to read than C for the same structure. yet, i'm a fairly average C coder (a beginner) so yea |
| 08:56.32 | Adriano | science != technology |
| 08:56.43 | cydork | tralala: check dictcomplete.pl it's not exactly spellcheck but its better :P |
| 08:56.46 | mosno | tralala: each has their own domain of usefullness however |
| 08:56.51 | tralala | Gigantic, well I think kernel programming is (never done that) |
| 08:57.00 | Gigantic | Adriano: technology is complement of science ! |
| 08:57.07 | tralala | cydork, will it autocorrect my typos? |
| 08:57.08 | Adriano | yes, I know |
| 08:57.19 | Arafangion | Adriano: I don't know - I've only got basic info about the language. :( |
| 08:57.31 | Arafangion | Adriano: But if it were entirely self-contained, then yes it would. |
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| 08:57.46 | cydork | tralala: not exactly but it will complete your words like autocomplete. |
| 08:58.03 | Adriano | Arafangion: think about it: would you actually want to code in a lang that forced you to define its logic and env every time? |
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| 08:58.13 | test | can reset command be used to reset a terminal without logging into it |
| 08:58.13 | Adriano | maybe once, for fun |
| 08:58.22 | Gigantic | tralala: nope, even if you have made smple scripts, you've doing a little of science... |
| 08:58.44 | tralala | mosno, there's a haskell concept (can't recall the name) that's plainly insane. I can't imaging having a grasp of any haskell code without it. |
| 08:59.00 | tralala | Gigantic, hem |
| 08:59.00 | Gigantic | test: no |
| 08:59.05 | tralala | I mean meh |
| 08:59.08 | Arafangion | Adriano: I never said that *I* would have to implement that code myself each time. |
| 08:59.14 | petemc | test: did you check the man page? |
| 08:59.22 | tralala | cydork, I'd hate that (my tab key too) |
| 08:59.26 | Arafangion | Adriano: But during compilation, it might *copy* everything neccessary, that's what I mean by being entirely self-contained. |
| 08:59.29 | Gigantic | tralala: ^^ |
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| 08:59.53 | test | petemc, yes |
| 09:00.20 | tralala | Gigantic, obviously I disagree - I'm a programmer but I don't consider myself a scientist for any possible definition of the word |
| 09:00.31 | Gigantic | test: reset without login is a bit senseless |
| 09:00.50 | Adriano | Arafangion: doesn't C do that on compilation and link? |
| 09:00.55 | cydork | tralala: i love my tab key!! :) |
| 09:01.02 | Gigantic | tralala: The problem is in the definition then... |
| 09:01.09 | Adriano | tralala: you can't call you a scientist by yourself |
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| 09:01.14 | tralala | cydork, but I'm sure it hates *you8* ;) |
| 09:01.19 | Adriano | it's how others think of you |
| 09:01.27 | Arafangion | Adriano: No. |
| 09:01.28 | Adriano | like the "hacker" term |
| 09:01.37 | Adriano | Arafangion: then? |
| 09:01.40 | simonrvn | Adriano: only for statically compiled binaries |
| 09:01.40 | cydork | tralala: heh possible :P |
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| 09:02.10 | Arafangion | Adriano: Google for "C runtime environment". |
| 09:02.16 | tralala | Adriano, oh well - nobody I know thinks of me as scientist. Now plenty of people who don't know what hacker means think I'm one but that's different. |
| 09:02.21 | Adriano | simonrvn: does haskell not support dynamic compilation? |
| 09:02.24 | simonrvn | it doesn't copy everything, just what it calls |
| 09:02.28 | Arafangion | Adriano: And hopefulyl you'll see what I am talking about, because you and I are talking about different aspects. |
| 09:02.35 | Guerin | mosno: hah |
| 09:02.50 | Adriano | exactly why I asked for an xpln |
| 09:02.56 | Adriano | I'll google |
| 09:02.58 | simonrvn | i don't know haskell |
| 09:03.20 | Arafangion | Adriano: The C runtime is often provided as a library, btw :) |
| 09:04.11 | Gigantic | http://haskell.org/papers/NSWC/jfp.ps |
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| 09:05.05 | Gigantic | usually I avoid the 'vs.' but that's Yale's stuff |
| 09:06.41 | rati | is there any other way to test IDS other than post scaner |
| 09:06.53 | Guerin | rati: use an attack tool |
| 09:07.05 | rati | any spiceific |
| 09:07.05 | Guerin | rati: finding one is left as an exercise for the reader |
| 09:07.07 | rati | tool |
| 09:07.14 | Guerin | rati: you seem to be one. |
| 09:08.06 | mancubus | rati, do you use snort? |
| 09:08.17 | tralala | rati, join a script-kiddie channel and annoy them - they'll do it for you |
| 09:08.18 | Gigantic | rati: insecure.org |
| 09:08.42 | rati | ya i am using snort |
| 09:09.10 | TraceGreen | Hello, My linux kernel is 2.6.14, and my netcard is use sky2 module, but it doesn't contain in 2.6.14. I don't want to upgrade kernel to 2.6.21, Can i just patch my kernel? |
| 09:09.28 | Guerin | TraceGreen: not likely. |
| 09:09.30 | Gigantic | TraceGreen: I guess |
| 09:09.33 | mancubus | rati, i don't see problems to test in with differ policies IM,FTP,PORTSCAN |
| 09:09.42 | Gigantic | Guerin: :) |
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| 09:09.59 | TraceGreen | Guerin, So, you mean, i should just upgrade my kernel? |
| 09:10.26 | Guerin | TraceGreen: that's by far the best option. WEhat version contains that driver? |
| 09:10.26 | tralala | TraceGreen, you can try to compile only that module from the new kernel. It might work |
| 09:10.26 | Guerin | it *might* |
| 09:10.39 | rati | mancubus: can u sujest me how test |
| 09:10.41 | TraceGreen | tralala, oh..., Let me have a try |
| 09:10.45 | Guerin | rati: no. |
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| 09:10.54 | Gigantic | TraceGreen: hter's uncertainty actually |
| 09:11.06 | Guerin | rati: IDS are powerful magic. If you don't know how to use one, you don't need one. |
| 09:11.09 | TraceGreen | Guerin, 2.6.20, as i know |
| 09:11.20 | Guerin | rati: go to insecure.org and start learning. |
| 09:11.24 | tralala | Won't hurt trying |
| 09:11.39 | mancubus | Guerin, yeh ... =) |
| 09:11.42 | tralala | rati, and you're being offtopic anyhow |
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| 09:11.59 | Guerin | TraceGreen: you could try tralala's way, but I'd be inclined to use the sid or lenny package, |
| 09:12.21 | erik | what is a good, handy Internet source for a linux manual, like to find the details of linux commands ? |
| 09:12.44 | Gigantic | erik: your computer |
| 09:12.49 | tralala | erik, wiki.debian.org |
| 09:12.58 | Gigantic | erik: man something |
| 09:13.02 | Guerin | erik: there are no `linux commands', or very few. You should look to the manual pages for whatever commands you'd like to learn. |
| 09:13.11 | Gigantic | erik: info something, and Google and Wikipedia |
| 09:13.38 | Guerin | erik: if you want an overall debian guide, go to debiansystem.info |
| 09:13.48 | Guerin | (which is a book written by a DD) |
| 09:14.15 | mancubus | rati, use http://snort.org/ |
| 09:14.28 | mosno | erik: it's a GNU system. Install GNU Emacs, do "C-h i" to get into your system documentation. Enjoy. |
| 09:14.32 | Guerin | mancubus: he is, but he can't. |
| 09:14.37 | Gigantic | dd? |
| 09:14.40 | Guerin | !dd |
| 09:14.41 | dpkg | i guess dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 09:14.48 | Gigantic | ah |
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| 09:17.23 | Gigantic | that plone is so slow... |
| 09:17.45 | tralala | it is? |
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| 09:20.27 | Ranpha1 | what was the command to see how big all directory are in commandline? |
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| 09:21.04 | Arafangion | Ranpha1: du |
| 09:21.07 | tralala | du /path/to/dir -sh |
| 09:21.09 | petemc | du -hs */ |
| 09:21.25 | tralala | !win me |
| 09:21.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, tralala! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 09:21.32 | Ranpha1 | all yeah du...had dm in my head thanks |
| 09:21.44 | tralala | Woot! |
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| 09:22.17 | tralala | as in DiskUsage |
| 09:22.29 | Adriano | first time I see someone happy about win me |
| 09:22.50 | Adriano | (maybe because it actually was "not win me") |
| 09:23.36 | tralala | Adriano, if Tom Cruise is No1 then Brad Pit should be No2. That's quite an achievement |
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| 09:24.26 | Gigantic | tralala: but is say 'Beauty'... that mean bikinis to me |
| 09:25.01 | tralala | Gigantic, Brad is still Brad even in bikini! |
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| 09:26.00 | tralala | hehe |
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| 09:32.37 | GreaseMonkey | gonna sleep, gnight |
| 09:32.45 | BotaniCar | hi , did anyone try migrating from suse to debian ? anything in particular to watch out for ? i use mysql, exim apache, no more |
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| 09:32.52 | BotaniCar | and ofcourse, userlands |
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| 09:38.56 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 09:38.56 | dpkg | methinks qotd129 is <robin_sz> where can I get debian for windows XP? |
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| 09:43.52 | l9root | Have any one install the free vmware server on the SPARC? |
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| 09:44.45 | Gigantic | ? |
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| 09:45.16 | l9root | I tried to install vmware server for SPARC debian, but not work. |
| 09:46.00 | l9root | Have any idea about that, maybe rebuild kernel to simulator the x86. |
| 09:46.55 | Gigantic | vmware running on sparc? |
| 09:46.59 | l9root | ya |
| 09:47.09 | l9root | Is it impossible? |
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| 09:47.25 | Arafangion | Haha. |
| 09:47.29 | Arafangion | l9root: Quite :) |
| 09:48.13 | l9root | oh. |
| 09:48.17 | Gigantic | l9root: Think sparc work for VM only not for Host... |
| 09:48.39 | Gigantic | l9root: bu t better check in vmware.com and/or #vmware |
| 09:48.57 | Arafangion | l9root: Most of VMware's speed advantages arise from actually executing the bulk of the cpu instructions on the cpu itself, rather than using emulation. |
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| 09:49.28 | Penix | all of vmware's products are strictly x86 |
| 09:49.38 | Penix | x86 virtualization is their 'thing' |
| 09:49.41 | Gigantic | Penix: or 64 |
| 09:49.59 | Penix | yes |
| 09:50.06 | Gigantic | l9root: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines |
| 09:50.52 | Penix | l9root: if the vmware server console (the app that connects remotely to the server instance) is open source, you might be able to build it for sparc |
| 09:51.09 | Penix | l9root: but you can't run the virtualization itself on sparc |
| 09:52.19 | Gigantic | l9root: :) |
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| 09:55.25 | Gigantic | crap VMware Fusion run Win games... |
| 09:55.53 | Gigantic | Dear Santa I want a VMware to run HL2 in my Linux |
| 09:56.28 | tralala | Gigantic, you'll have to DIY in haskell! HA! |
| 09:56.52 | Gigantic | :o |
| 09:57.40 | tralala | or should I say HO-HO-HO |
| 09:58.04 | derwolf__ | omg haskell |
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| 09:59.02 | _E-bola | Do anybody know of a linux distribution / package that provides loadbalancing of tcp/ip services AND has a webinterface to control it? |
| 09:59.27 | Gigantic | ha! it's just GL dynamic recompilation :D |
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| 10:01.01 | valdyn | Gigantic: they probably just use wine |
| 10:01.12 | valdyn | Gigantic: that's what parallels does anyway |
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| 10:01.47 | Gigantic | valdyn: It's what Cedega do ... I guess |
| 10:02.32 | Gigantic | Wine didn't play with DirectX play last time I saw |
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| 10:02.54 | Arafangion | Gigantic: Wine now supports DirectX, they emulate it with OpenGL. |
| 10:03.15 | Gigantic | Arafangion: really?.... |
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| 10:05.25 | tsimmes | Hi, I have router and everytime the /etc/resolv.conf changes automatically to "nameserver 10.0.0.138" and then I have dns problems so I need to change the domain name servers, how can I fix this problem? |
| 10:05.52 | valdyn | tsimmes: fix the router, its a dhcp server too |
| 10:06.28 | tsimmes | valdyn, how can I fix the router? btw I have also windows and it works good there |
| 10:07.14 | tralala | tsimmes, either disable dhcp and use static IP configuration or disable the dhcp server of the router |
| 10:07.51 | tralala | perhpas dhcp can be configured to ignore dns offers as well |
| 10:07.55 | Gigantic | no |
| 10:08.05 | valdyn | sure can |
| 10:08.11 | Gigantic | dhcp can work and still leave resolv.conf alone |
| 10:08.26 | Arafangion | How do I get sound to work? |
| 10:08.26 | Gigantic | man resolver |
| 10:08.40 | Fjordside | -t option if i remember |
| 10:08.47 | Gigantic | Arafangion: Could you be a a bit more pragmatic? |
| 10:08.48 | valdyn | tsimmes: ideally you would make your router assign the correct nameserver ip |
| 10:09.14 | valdyn | tsimmes: which IP is you router? |
| 10:09.17 | Arafangion | Gigantic: Sorry, I'm deaf and I have never wanted to have sound isntalled, this is the first time in 6 orso years that I've wanted to install sound in Debian :) |
| 10:09.28 | Arafangion | Gigantic: For example, how do I turn the "volume" up? |
| 10:09.46 | valdyn | Arafangion: apt-get install linux-sound-base, pick alsa, reboot, that's often everything needed to do |
| 10:09.48 | tsimmes | valdyn, I think it's 10.0.0.8 |
| 10:09.56 | Arafangion | valdyn: COol. :) |
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| 10:10.11 | Gigantic | Arafangion: .... alsamixer... in console... |
| 10:10.12 | valdyn | tsimmes: 'think' is useless, *know* |
| 10:10.25 | Arafangion | Gigantic: Thanks. |
| 10:10.29 | tsimmes | valdyn, I sorry I don't understand in these router things, how can I check it? |
| 10:10.52 | Arafangion | Gigantic: Turn everything way up? |
| 10:10.56 | tralala | "Don't think you are, know you are", Morpheus - The Matrix |
| 10:10.58 | valdyn | tsimmes: you mean you know nothing about networking |
| 10:11.19 | valdyn | tsimmes: browse the web interface of your router or use 'ping' to empirically do this. |
| 10:11.32 | tralala | tsimmes, your router is the default route in your routing table |
| 10:11.41 | Gigantic | Arafangion: ... well if you raise microphone you'd be making an aughfull noise able to take corpses out of the grave :) |
| 10:11.44 | valdyn | tsimmes: low response time - target is close, very low response time - target is localhost |
| 10:12.03 | Gigantic | Arafangion: microphone + all aother up |
| 10:12.21 | Arafangion | Gigantic: Hmm, what might "Master M" be? |
| 10:12.43 | Gigantic | Arafangion: ?! |
| 10:12.49 | tralala | the master volume, judging by the name |
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| 10:13.05 | Arafangion | The one on the left is "Master", I guess "Master M" is "Master Mono". |
| 10:13.40 | Gigantic | * eh...aughfull... ? Time to sleep |
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| 10:13.56 | warlock_ | Does anyone know if there's any webmail software where I can connect my pop3 email account to it? |
| 10:14.05 | tralala | Usually out of the thousend alsa mixers you only need master and pcm |
| 10:14.34 | Gigantic | warlock_: pop3 is not related to webmail at all |
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| 10:14.46 | tralala | !wayttd warlock_ |
| 10:14.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, warlock_? |
| 10:14.47 | Gigantic | warlock_: you need something like Cyrus |
| 10:14.52 | Arafangion | tralala: I'm not getting any sound :( pcm's at zero, what's pcm? |
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| 10:15.12 | Gigantic | warlock_: But better don't bother with it... |
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| 10:15.17 | Arafangion | *puts that at 100%* |
| 10:15.20 | Arafangion | WOW! |
| 10:15.26 | Arafangion | I think it's on now :) |
| 10:15.28 | tsimmes | valdyn, LAN IP Address 10.0.0.138 ? |
| 10:15.35 | warlock_ | I'm trying to read my pop3 email via webmail |
| 10:15.38 | valdyn | Arafangion: yea |
| 10:15.40 | tsimmes | valdyn, that's what I got in my router interface |
| 10:15.43 | tralala | Arafangion, I hope it didn't kick you off the chair |
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| 10:15.44 | Gigantic | Arafangion: :) |
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| 10:15.49 | valdyn | tsimmes: yea |
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| 10:16.07 | syed_ | can one system have two different gateways |
| 10:16.08 | Gigantic | warlock_: pop3 does not work trough or with webmail at all |
| 10:16.23 | valdyn | tsimmes: that should be your gateway , your dns server, and also your routers ip. |
| 10:16.31 | Gigantic | warlock_: you have Apache for the webmail right? |
| 10:16.31 | tralala | syed_, as many as you want but only one default |
| 10:16.33 | warlock_ | So, you are saying that I cannot connect my pop3 email account (which I read through outlook) to a 'webmail' ? |
| 10:16.49 | Gigantic | warlock_: So you need another totally diferent server for pop3 |
| 10:16.53 | warlock_ | I need a app that allows me to read my pop3 mail online. |
| 10:17.00 | Arafangion | tralala: Did I mention I was deaf? :) |
| 10:17.00 | tsimmes | valdyn, but when it's written in /etc/resolv.conf nothing works to me |
| 10:17.04 | petemc | warlock_: some webmail apps support collecting pop3 mai; |
| 10:17.06 | petemc | mail; |
| 10:17.08 | petemc | fuck |
| 10:17.23 | valdyn | tsimmes: try , on your debian box ' dig @10.0.0.138 www.google.de ' or any other name |
| 10:17.25 | tralala | warlock_, if your webmail app supports checking pop3 accounts you can do that. It's offtopic here though. |
| 10:17.30 | petemc | it is? |
| 10:17.46 | syed_ | tralala, my system has two isp's and can i give two gateways to these two ethernet |
| 10:17.54 | valdyn | tsimmes: the dig program is in the dnsutils package |
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| 10:18.17 | warlock_ | Um, its not offtopic really. - but the problem is that I do not HAVE a webmail app, and I want to be able to read my _EMAIL_ through the web when I'm not at home. |
| 10:18.33 | syed_ | tralala, when i am assigning two gateways, one gateway is becoming inactive and all the traffic is going through only one gateway |
| 10:18.57 | valdyn | warlock_: you want a webmail app with a button 'fetch mail' that runs some program like fetchmail |
| 10:19.02 | Gigantic | tsimmes: as I am lazy, lemme tell you I just add a line in network init to replace the resolv :) |
| 10:19.10 | tralala | syed_, it's not as simple as that - you need to take a look at /msg dpkg lartc |
| 10:19.15 | warlock_ | valdyn, - can I reply to emails through it aswell? |
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| 10:19.28 | valdyn | warlock_: sending emails has nothing to do with pop3 |
| 10:19.49 | snowgirl | Hi. My Apache is running as root. I use the apache2ctl -k graceful command (as root) |
| 10:19.58 | snowgirl | So why is it running as root |
| 10:20.04 | Gigantic | snowgirl: ?? |
| 10:20.05 | warlock_ | You are seriously confusing me. |
| 10:20.07 | tralala | warlock_, so you want to setup a webmail app on your home pc? |
| 10:20.13 | snowgirl | and there is a second thread running as www-data (which is correct) |
| 10:20.14 | warlock_ | ERRR, no. |
| 10:20.17 | syed_ | tralala, i will check that |
| 10:20.29 | snowgirl | Gigantic ?? |
| 10:20.38 | Gigantic | warlock_: webmail is a Lion, pop3 is a leopard |
| 10:20.41 | syed_ | tralala, i am trying using shorewall to direct two isp's |
| 10:20.47 | valdyn | warlock_: i would install squirrelmail and go from there |
| 10:21.11 | Gigantic | warlock_: They both eat meat but are not the same at all |
| 10:21.16 | warlock_ | I want to be able to read my POP3 email on the web instead of reading them in outlook express. So basically what I want is: A php app (script?!) that allows me to read my pop3 emails |
| 10:21.20 | tralala | syed_, I don't think shorewall can do that but I might be very wrong |
| 10:21.36 | Gigantic | snowgirl: did you install apache with apt ? |
| 10:21.50 | snowgirl | Gigantic: yes |
| 10:21.57 | snowgirl | I just found something with google |
| 10:22.02 | syed_ | tralala, i am trying to configure the firewall and this link gives me the details how to do that http://docs.huihoo.com/shorewall/2.0/Shorewall_and_Routing.html#id2464331 |
| 10:22.06 | Gigantic | warlock_: not possible... |
| 10:22.12 | warlock_ | of course its possible |
| 10:22.12 | warlock_ | gesh |
| 10:22.14 | tralala | warlock_, so what would be the url of this webmail you'd use when you're out? |
| 10:22.22 | Gigantic | warlock_: unless you make some redirection... |
| 10:22.24 | snowgirl | libapache-mod-security |
| 10:22.36 | warlock_ | tralala, I'd upload the 'webmail' app on my webserver? |
| 10:22.55 | tralala | warlock_, and your webserver is? |
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| 10:23.00 | warlock_ | my WEBSERVER? |
| 10:23.09 | Gigantic | warlock_: dunno what you say |
| 10:23.19 | Gigantic | you dunno |
| 10:23.24 | warlock_ | I'm seriously getting pissed off, - what do you guys not understand. |
| 10:23.25 | tralala | a hosted service or what? |
| 10:23.28 | warlock_ | Here, I'll explain again: |
| 10:23.50 | Gigantic | warlock_: We got it, it is you that don't get it |
| 10:24.09 | tralala | syed_, so I was very wrong indeed. I guess following this doc will get you there |
| 10:24.11 | warlock_ | I have an email (warlock@something.com) that I have through work, and I want to be able to setup a webmail so I can read/reply to emails through the webmail, instead of outlook express |
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| 10:24.24 | Z3z | Hello , how to exrtract all RAR files in the current directory ? using "rar e" command please |
| 10:24.29 | syed_ | tralala, let me try that |
| 10:25.08 | Gigantic | warlock_: you use a forward as I said |
| 10:25.08 | Gigantic | warlock_: no pop |
| 10:25.09 | Gigantic | warlock_: or you can build an app to do that |
| 10:25.14 | Gigantic | if you have the time |
| 10:25.31 | petemc | Z3z: unrar e file1.rar |
| 10:25.31 | Z3z | Hello , how to exrtract all RAR files in the current directory ? using "rar e" command please |
| 10:25.36 | petemc | dont repeat |
| 10:25.43 | Z3z | sorry |
| 10:25.50 | Z3z | yes but this is for one file |
| 10:25.54 | warlock_ | pointless |
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| 10:25.56 | Z3z | I want to extract all files at once |
| 10:25.58 | snowgirl | Gigantic isn't there any other possibilty to force apache2 not running as root? |
| 10:26.04 | Gigantic | Z3z: man rar |
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| 10:26.15 | Z3z | I read it |
| 10:26.22 | Z3z | but don't understand it well |
| 10:26.24 | Gigantic | snowgirl: Well actually it should not run as root... |
| 10:26.30 | snowgirl | Shouldn't there be an easy possibilty like a config variable runAsUser ? |
| 10:26.41 | Gigantic | snowgirl: here it run as wwwrun or something alike |
| 10:26.48 | Z3z | i'm using putty and access my site folders in SSH |
| 10:26.53 | snowgirl | yes I have also www-data user |
| 10:27.05 | tralala | Z3z, for rarfile in *rar; do rar e "$rarfile"; done |
| 10:27.24 | Gigantic | snowgirl: I'm just guessing but 'maybe' dpkg --reconfigure ? |
| 10:27.31 | Z3z | using putty ? tralal ? |
| 10:27.31 | Gigantic | snowgirl: Have no idea :p |
| 10:27.47 | snowgirl | hmmm |
| 10:27.48 | biopyte | hi. OT. can i assume that a binary executable compiled on a PentiumIII machine, runs also on PIV, CoreDuo etc. ? |
| 10:27.50 | tralala | Z3z, using bash |
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| 10:27.57 | Z3z | what is bash ? |
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| 10:28.17 | Z3z | Putty is easier for me |
| 10:28.36 | tralala | your default command interpreter in debian |
| 10:28.54 | Z3z | I logged as SSH session |
| 10:28.56 | tralala | biopyte, yes |
| 10:28.56 | Z3z | to my server |
| 10:29.10 | Z3z | it's a debian hosting server |
| 10:29.16 | biopyte | tralala, thank you |
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| 10:29.47 | tralala | Z3z, just type the command |
| 10:30.06 | petemc | Z3z: the way rar works, you unrar the first file, and the rest follow through automagically |
| 10:30.12 | Z3z | should I type this " for rarfile in *rar; do rar e "$rarfile"; done " ż |
| 10:30.15 | petemc | if they're part of the same file... |
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| 10:30.46 | Z3z | there are distinct files |
| 10:30.55 | petemc | then do what tralala said |
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| 10:30.57 | tralala | Z3z, yes, please |
| 10:30.59 | maniacxs | hi there. does someone know how to recover the contents from /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.list ? it begins here with lines with filenames and ends with binary data. |
| 10:30.59 | man_in_shack | i'm trying to run a vnc4server, and it's complaining that it doesn't have the font "fixed" |
| 10:31.04 | man_in_shack | where can i find this font? |
| 10:31.07 | Z3z | can I add " -ad " ? |
| 10:31.07 | ekkikrist | RAR is non-free software. |
| 10:31.20 | petemc | ekkikrist: there is a free version |
| 10:31.29 | ekkikrist | there is a free version of unrar. |
| 10:31.53 | tralala | Z3z, feel free to try |
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| 10:32.17 | tralala | ekkikrist, which is what we're discussing here |
| 10:32.36 | Gigantic | 7zip is better thatn rar tho |
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| 10:32.44 | Gigantic | (at least in the compression ratio) |
| 10:32.46 | ekkikrist | meh |
| 10:32.48 | Sven`home | Irssi's configure complains about "configure: error: Terminfo/termcap not found", but I installed ncurses-term. Is there anything else I need to install for that? Could anyone do a dpkg -S terminfo or dpkg -S termcap for me? |
| 10:32.54 | Arafangion | Yikes, music is *expensive* |
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| 10:33.24 | man_in_shack | ekkikrist, free version of unrar doesn't unrar all rars ... |
| 10:33.26 | tralala | Arafangion, do as I do - don't listen and save money |
| 10:33.37 | man_in_shack | last i checked it didn't do rar v3, only rar v2 |
| 10:33.53 | Gigantic | lol |
| 10:33.53 | Arafangion | tralala: I haven't listened to /any/ music for... 21 years and counting :) |
| 10:34.01 | Arafangion | tralala: Just experimenting with "samples" online. |
| 10:34.12 | mancubus | does any know how disable "checksum offloading" on INC? |
| 10:34.16 | tralala | Arafangion, that's rather doubtful |
| 10:34.16 | mancubus | sorry NIC |
| 10:34.19 | Gigantic | Arafangion: Think all the money you have saved! |
| 10:34.28 | Arafangion | tralala: I am stone deaf. |
| 10:34.35 | ganapathy | hello, we recently upgraded the client machines in our university to etch. We use a ldap suthentication. But now, when we reconfigured our machines to authenticate using LDAP, it fails in the GUI mode. But works well in the command line. What is the problem? |
| 10:34.38 | Arafangion | Gigantic: Heh :) |
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| 10:34.48 | ganapathy | *authentication |
| 10:34.52 | tralala | Arafangion, then I guess it's not :) |
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| 10:35.24 | Enverex | What's the best command to use to recursively check inside files for a string? |
| 10:35.29 | man_in_shack | Enverex, you following me around or somethign? :P |
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| 10:35.44 | man_in_shack | Enverex, grep -R perhaps? |
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| 10:37.02 | ekkikrist | Have a great day #debian. |
| 10:37.02 | tralala | Arafangion, I can't help but wonder though why did you setup sound then |
| 10:37.04 | Daneo | how convert win-1251 to utf-8? |
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| 10:37.18 | tralala | Daneo, man iconv |
| 10:37.33 | Daneo | tralala: hmm... |
| 10:37.39 | Arafangion | tralala: I do have a bionic ear, but my brain has not learned to appreciate music, though sometimes I like to "see if I like it yet" every couple of years. |
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| 10:37.54 | Daneo | tralala: convert filename |
| 10:37.57 | Arafangion | tralala: www.cochlear.com.au, to be precise. :) |
| 10:38.22 | Arafangion | tralala: I think I like techno, but I don't think it's worth the price :( |
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| 10:39.12 | tralala | Arafangion, there's stuff you can download for free (leagally). Try googling for "net labels" |
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| 10:39.45 | tralala | most of it is techno (and most of the techno on the net lables is junk, imo) |
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| 10:39.49 | petemc | Arafangion: they broadcast music over the airwaves for free |
| 10:40.14 | Arafangion | petemc: I dont' own a radio. |
| 10:40.23 | petemc | nightmare |
| 10:41.32 | Gigantic | Arafangion: you just want a radio online? |
| 10:41.42 | tralala | I don't even own a tv set. I have a tuner card that has a radio. I've used it once just to see how it works |
| 10:42.49 | Gigantic | tralala: My parents were stunned when they realize my computer made TV DVD Radio, FAX, and even freaking TiVO :) |
| 10:43.05 | tralala | Arafangion, does this bionic ear work well? |
| 10:43.09 | Gigantic | tralala: I have no radio phone FAX ot tv either :D |
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| 10:43.32 | peter_ | hi |
| 10:43.33 | Arafangion | tralala: It does, actually, but I probably had it too late for music appreciation, though I sometimes I might hear a "glimpse" of a good tune. |
| 10:44.20 | Arafangion | tralala: It's odd, most deaf people really quite appreciate music. |
| 10:45.13 | Arafangion | tralala: My speech is good, and I can hear and understand most others, which is the important thing :) |
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| 10:47.00 | tsimmes | How can I check my gtk version? |
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| 10:47.36 | snowgirl | If i switch my user from root to www-data with "su www-data" I get configuration errors(unknown item 'FAIL_DELAY', unknown item 'QUOTAS_ENAB', ...) |
| 10:47.45 | snowgirl | How can I fix this? |
| 10:48.03 | snowgirl | I did an upgrade from old-stable to stable |
| 10:48.24 | snowgirl | By just changing the surces.list and make apt-get update apt-get upgrade |
| 10:48.25 | man_in_shack | dammit, can't find any information about where to get the 'fixed' font from |
| 10:48.39 | petemc | man_in_shack: /msg dpkg fixed |
| 10:48.47 | tralala | Gigantic, I'd get rid of the pyhone myself but it's required for adsl |
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| 10:48.52 | Gigantic | snowgirl: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:48.59 | Arafangion | Are there well known creative-commons music sites? |
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| 10:49.12 | Arafangion | Stuff I can download and put onto my palm pda without spending a *fortune*? |
| 10:49.45 | man_in_shack | petemc, but i DO have xfonts-base installed :| |
| 10:49.46 | petemc | Arafangion: have you googled for creative commons music? |
| 10:49.47 | Gigantic | Arafangion: sure: http://www.jamendo.com/ |
| 10:49.48 | hark | Gigantic: no, that's not recommended :) |
| 10:49.53 | Gigantic | Arafangion: :) |
| 10:49.59 | Adriano | Arafangion: magnatune.com? |
| 10:50.06 | hark | snowgirl: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 10:50.10 | man_in_shack | upgrading it to latest though |
| 10:50.11 | Z3z | taralala ,, THANK YOU !! YOU ARE THE BEST |
| 10:50.20 | Z3z | :) :) :) |
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| 10:50.28 | Arafangion | Adriano: I've recently subscribed to their daily freeby, I quite liked yesterday's song.. |
| 10:50.33 | tralala | Z3z, you're welcome |
| 10:50.33 | hark | Gigantic: oh nm, just read the lastlog |
| 10:50.35 | Arafangion | Gigantic: Thanks :) |
| 10:50.36 | snowgirl | Gigantic this is a live server. There are no problems if I do this? |
| 10:50.42 | Gigantic | Adriano: no, I was pointing out that update is not for that |
| 10:51.10 | Adriano | Gigantic: ? |
| 10:51.24 | Gigantic | Adriano: never mind... |
| 10:51.27 | Arafangion | Gigantic: One thing I've noticed is that my windows laptop gets "stuck" unbelievably easy, inserting pauses into the songs. |
| 10:51.30 | hark | snowgirl: read the release notes |
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| 10:52.42 | snowgirl | Gigantic, hark. And second, it is a virtual Server at server4you |
| 10:52.58 | Gigantic | snowgirl: I've never liked upgrades, I do fresh install all the times... but I know it is not an option to you |
| 10:52.59 | snowgirl | hark why the release notes? |
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| 10:53.34 | hark | !sarge->etch |
| 10:53.34 | dpkg | [sarge->etch] read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 10:53.40 | Gigantic | yep |
| 10:54.00 | snowgirl | okay, thanks hark |
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| 10:56.24 | man_in_shack | so is there any reason why vnc4server might not be able to find the 'fixed' font? |
| 10:56.44 | valdyn | man_in_shack: its not installed |
| 10:57.02 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 10:57.03 | dpkg | well, fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 10:57.06 | tralala | that'd be a good one |
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| 10:57.19 | man_in_shack | valdyn, sure, but i HAVE xfonts-base installed |
| 10:58.43 | Arafangion | Gigantic: What's your favorite icecast player? |
| 10:58.43 | Adriano | q |
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| 10:59.12 | valdyn | man_in_shack: in which debian release? |
| 10:59.30 | man_in_shack | valdyn, unstable |
| 10:59.50 | man_in_shack | http://pastebin.ca/601191 |
| 11:00.46 | valdyn | man_in_shack: i get an even weirder error |
| 11:01.00 | valdyn | man_in_shack: but that package is broken it seems yea |
| 11:01.07 | valdyn | man_in_shack: at least looking for fonts at wrong places |
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| 11:02.50 | valdyn | man_in_shack: |
| 11:02.54 | valdyn | Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/, removing from list |
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| 11:03.22 | lalalal | hi |
| 11:03.23 | valdyn | ^^^ while that font path is perfectly fine |
| 11:03.24 | lalalal | dpkg --purge libapache2-svn |
| 11:03.24 | lalalal | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove libapache2-svn which isn't installed. |
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| 11:03.42 | lalalal | dpkg: error processing libapache2-svn (--configure): |
| 11:03.42 | lalalal | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.42 | lalalal | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 11:03.42 | lalalal | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.42 | lalalal | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 11:03.43 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 11:05.05 | lalalal | hi |
| 11:05.08 | lalalal | i get this error |
| 11:05.09 | lalalal | http://paste.debian.net/31896 |
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| 11:05.29 | tsimmes | How can I check my gtk version? |
| 11:06.02 | man_in_shack | valdyn, i did remove all the font paths that it was complaining about |
| 11:06.19 | man_in_shack | valdyn, do you get it complaining about no 'fixed' font too? |
| 11:06.25 | valdyn | man_in_shack: fixed font is essential though |
| 11:06.31 | valdyn | man_in_shack: you shouldnt remove that |
| 11:06.48 | valdyn | man_in_shack: its complaining about paths that are perfectly fine for my local X server |
| 11:06.56 | man_in_shack | valdyn, where SHOULD the fixed font appear? |
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| 11:07.01 | valdyn | man_in_shack: ..which is just broken |
| 11:07.23 | man_in_shack | valdyn, yeah ... but where should 'fixed' be? |
| 11:07.54 | valdyn | man_in_shack: /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc if perfectly fine |
| 11:08.09 | man_in_shack | valdyn, ah ... it was complaining about that one :( |
| 11:08.16 | valdyn | man_in_shack: but vncserver and vnc4server are both complaining about a perfectly fine font directory |
| 11:08.23 | man_in_shack | valdyn, what's the filename of the fixed font? |
| 11:08.33 | man_in_shack | vncserver just runs vnc4server, afaik |
| 11:08.42 | valdyn | man_in_shack: nah |
| 11:09.06 | valdyn | man_in_shack: both are real packages, both use Xvnc |
| 11:09.15 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 11:09.29 | man_in_shack | valdyn, so what's the filename of the fixed font? i'm not convinced i have it installed |
| 11:09.29 | valdyn | man_in_shack: looking at the bts |
| 11:09.42 | valdyn | man_in_shack: I have it |
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| 11:09.51 | valdyn | man_in_shack: you have it if you have a local x server functioning |
| 11:09.53 | man_in_shack | bts for vnc4server didn't seem to have any font errors |
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| 11:10.03 | valdyn | man_in_shack: no idea about the filename, im sure theres no 'fixed' filename |
| 11:10.11 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 11:10.16 | man_in_shack | i'm going to try something silly |
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| 11:10.50 | zizzler | Hi, i compiled lighttpd on old sarge installation and now i'm trying to get the /etc/init.d/lighttpd working. I copied the file from http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/lighttpd.htm but every time I try to use it comes this error: unable to execute /etc/init.d/lighttpd: No such file or directory |
| 11:11.18 | zizzler | but the init file is there |
| 11:11.30 | man_in_shack | ok, that's no different |
| 11:12.05 | hark | man_in_shack: try reinstalling xfonts-base |
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| 11:12.25 | lalalal | i get this error |
| 11:12.26 | lalalal | http://paste.debian.net/31896 |
| 11:12.30 | lalalal | someone can help me |
| 11:12.42 | man_in_shack | is there a keystroke in aptitude to reinstall like apt-get --reinstall? |
| 11:12.56 | hark | man_in_shack: aptitude reinstall packagename |
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| 11:13.44 | man_in_shack | heh sure, just i already had aptitude running :P |
| 11:13.50 | man_in_shack | 'L' seems to do it |
| 11:14.27 | valdyn | man_in_shack: and Xrealvnc ( which is realvncserver from the vncserver package ) just segfaults - not better |
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| 11:14.50 | techbee1 | s |
| 11:15.12 | hark | ah, it's vnc.. |
| 11:15.14 | man_in_shack | ok, i'm very confused now |
| 11:15.21 | man_in_shack | bbs |
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| 11:17.49 | man_in_shack | well reinstalling xfonts-base didn't help |
| 11:17.55 | lalalal | man_in_shack |
| 11:17.58 | lalalal | not works |
| 11:18.02 | lalalal | if i try to reinstall |
| 11:18.12 | lalalal | Enabling dav as a dependency |
| 11:18.12 | lalalal | This module does not exist! |
| 11:18.35 | man_in_shack | ? |
| 11:18.41 | man_in_shack | lalalal, i forget what your question was |
| 11:18.49 | lalalal | http://paste.debian.net/31896 |
| 11:20.37 | man_in_shack | lalalal, i have no idea |
| 11:22.34 | tsimmes | How can I disable dhcp? |
| 11:22.36 | abrotman | lalalal: so install the webdav package ? |
| 11:22.43 | abrotman | tsimmes: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 11:23.01 | tsimmes | thanks |
| 11:24.17 | lalalal | what package |
| 11:24.34 | indraveni | how to create the contents file for a debian repository which I setuo locally |
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| 11:25.05 | harpal | I have some service running on port 1701 |
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| 11:25.12 | harpal | I have to stop that |
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| 11:25.20 | harpal | how to do that? |
| 11:25.26 | tsimmes | If I commented the line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" it disabled the dhcp? |
| 11:25.42 | Enverex | harpal, "lsof | grep 1701" to see what's using it first |
| 11:27.01 | man_in_shack | tsimmes, you'd have to add a static configuration if you want to use eht0 |
| 11:27.03 | man_in_shack | *eth0 |
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| 11:27.20 | tsimmes | man_in_shack, thanks, how do I do that? |
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| 11:27.40 | harpal | iface eth0 inet static |
| 11:27.40 | man_in_shack | tsimmes, read more about the interfaces file :) |
| 11:28.02 | tsimmes | :O) |
| 11:28.38 | harpal | Enverex: lsof | grep 1701 doesnt give any output |
| 11:28.46 | man_in_shack | valdyn, well, tightvncserver has the same problem |
| 11:28.55 | man_in_shack | looks like it could be an Xvnc bug |
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| 11:30.25 | phogg | lshw, hwdata and pciutils each supply a seperate (and different version) pci.ids file. Shouldn't they share it? |
| 11:30.37 | indraveni | hi, I have setup a local debian repository but I am not sure how to create the contents file for me repo |
| 11:30.44 | indraveni | apt-file search foo, gives the output if I am connected only to debian repo, and to my repo when connected, the above command doesn't give any output, is it because of the contents file missing |
| 11:31.10 | harpal | Enverex: when I do "netstat -an| grep 1701" gives me output "udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1701 0.0.0.0:*" |
| 11:31.28 | tsimmes | How can I check my gtk version? |
| 11:31.50 | man_in_shack | there's a server called "xwnc" which is not vnc, but something similar, but it doesn't seem to have a client in apt |
| 11:32.43 | man_in_shack | phogg, ask the devs why they use different pci.ids then |
| 11:32.57 | urv | indraveni: apt-ftparchive can generate a contents file |
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| 11:34.23 | abrotman | lalalal: search for it .. |
| 11:34.27 | rdz | hi all. how to get a list of all dependencies of a certain package recursively? |
| 11:34.40 | abrotman | !apt repository |
| 11:34.46 | abrotman | !repository |
| 11:34.46 | dpkg | debian repository is, like, a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 11:34.47 | harpal | how can I stop know that which service is using 1701 |
| 11:34.53 | rdz | abrotman, thank you much |
| 11:34.54 | abrotman | rdz: there's a way with apt-cache .. i think |
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| 11:35.03 | abrotman | rdz: that 'repository' wasn't for you :) |
| 11:35.11 | rdz | abrotman, ah, ok ;-) |
| 11:35.19 | abrotman | harpal: fuser -n tcp 1701 |
| 11:35.24 | valdyn | phogg: i see no pci id list at all in the lshw package, is that list inside that binary? |
| 11:36.16 | valdyn | phogg: you're probably confused.. |
| 11:36.19 | wols | valdyn: /usr/share/misc/pci.ids.gz |
| 11:36.41 | wols | harpal: as root netstat -ano |grep 1701 |
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| 11:36.52 | user1_ | omfg there's no telnet in debian? |
| 11:37.06 | Maerz | ai |
| 11:37.10 | Maerz | ano is my short nick |
| 11:37.17 | Maerz | you hilighted me |
| 11:37.20 | Maerz | shame on you |
| 11:37.44 | harpal | abrotman: I used "fuser -n udp 1701" then it givs me 1701/udp [Cadet]7773 |
| 11:37.52 | harpal | abrotman: I used "fuser -n udp 1701" then it givs me 1701/udp 7773 |
| 11:38.26 | wols | user1_: there is |
| 11:38.38 | user1_ | how do i install telnet? lol |
| 11:38.46 | user1_ | maybe will need to install ftp |
| 11:39.00 | harpal | wols: netstat -ano | grep 1701 gives me ff |
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| 11:39.03 | wols | user /msg dpkg search |
| 11:39.09 | sandman | Is there a FoxPro equivelant in Debian? |
| 11:39.24 | wols | sandman: not really imho |
| 11:39.31 | harpal | wols: netstat -ano | grep 1701 gives me off |
| 11:39.34 | wols | sandman: but there are tons of databases or RDBMSes |
| 11:39.39 | wols | harpal: off? |
| 11:39.40 | Maerz | stop hilighting me !!! |
| 11:40.03 | harpal | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1701 0.0.0.0:* off (0.00/0/0) |
| 11:40.05 | sandman | wols: Aye. The only thing that really makes FoxPro unique is that it integrates a Database, yes? |
| 11:40.21 | sandman | wols: Which doesn't really matter all that much, if one is considering using a DB like MySQL |
| 11:40.33 | wols | sandman: no. it's a frontend to the database |
| 11:40.43 | sandman | Or that. |
| 11:40.44 | wols | and comes with a small DB too |
| 11:41.18 | wols | harpal: sorry. -anp. as root |
| 11:41.23 | Exy | Maerz, So pick a non-generic name and it wont happen |
| 11:41.25 | wols | harpal: damn windows and its netstat options |
| 11:41.34 | wols | Exy: yes. choose september |
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| 11:41.50 | Maerz | ^^, ano comes from anonym001 my first nick, even my friends call me ano |
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| 11:42.45 | harpal | wols: iget by -anp |
| 11:42.47 | harpal | thanx |
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| 11:46.32 | abrotman | harpal: so .. ps aux | grep 7773 |
| 11:47.32 | user1_ | i need help , i have no telnet |
| 11:47.36 | user1_ | what package has telnet? |
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| 11:48.14 | alexIdoia | what command can I use to see which ps uses the device hw:0 |
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| 11:49.04 | alexIdoia | anyone please ? |
| 11:49.17 | abrotman | lsof |
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| 11:49.29 | abrotman | user1_: the .. 'telnet' package ? |
| 11:49.30 | phogg | valdyn: locate pci.ids gives me /usr/share/hwdata/pci.ids /usr/share/lshw/pci.ids and /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
| 11:49.39 | abrotman | !find bin/telnet$ etch |
| 11:49.47 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/telnet' returned no results. |
| 11:49.52 | phogg | valdyn: which are all different sizes and are claimed by different packages |
| 11:49.53 | abrotman | erm .. wtf |
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| 11:51.12 | alexIdoia | abrotman: I tried this, but I am not sure about what grep I should use with lsof |
| 11:51.23 | abrotman | the device |
| 11:51.36 | alexIdoia | so lsof | grep hw:0 ? |
| 11:51.54 | alexIdoia | that does not return anything |
| 11:52.09 | alexIdoia | however jack return an error such as this device is already in use |
| 11:52.09 | abrotman | what is hw:0 |
| 11:52.25 | tsimmes | Can someone recommend me good CD Ripper? |
| 11:52.32 | alexIdoia | /home/alex/Desktop/link to Server/dimitri/commands_to_know |
| 11:52.36 | alexIdoia | soory |
| 11:52.43 | abrotman | tsimmes: text or GUI ? |
| 11:52.46 | alexIdoia | the playback device "hw:0" is already in use |
| 11:52.48 | tsimmes | abchirk, gui |
| 11:52.58 | abrotman | alexIdoia: likely it's using a snd device |
| 11:53.03 | abrotman | tsimmes: gnome/kde/? |
| 11:53.06 | tsimmes | abchirk, kde |
| 11:53.14 | tsimmes | oops that's for abrotman sorry |
| 11:53.15 | tsimmes | :P |
| 11:53.15 | abchirk | kk |
| 11:53.28 | alexIdoia | yes, so I should put my sound device after it ? |
| 11:53.30 | abrotman | erm .. crap .. what is it called |
| 11:53.32 | abrotman | ah .. amarok |
| 11:53.36 | alexIdoia | but what form ? |
| 11:53.37 | abchirk | Yeah, abrotman is a "ab" stealer |
| 11:53.39 | user1_ | debian fuck me up |
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| 11:53.44 | tsimmes | abrotman, i'll try it thanks |
| 11:54.41 | alexIdoia | abrotman: ? |
| 11:55.30 | abrotman | alexIdoia: there are sound devices in /dev/snd/* and /dev/mixer and af ew others |
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| 11:55.54 | abrotman | user1_: there's a telnet package |
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| 11:56.35 | user1_ | i can't install telnet package now, i have error of depencies |
| 11:57.01 | pzn | Hi, /etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules does not work in debian testing/unstable. it works in stable. anyone has a hint about how to configure gtk immodules in lenny/sid? |
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| 11:59.23 | Ronin | user1_: install telnet package? what telnet package? and how are you trying to install whatever it is |
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| 12:00.53 | wols | user1_: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 12:01.49 | bjoernb | hello |
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| 12:03.08 | bjoernb | how to tell my system to use gdm? i installed xfce, fluxbox, xwindow-system, xorg but when i boot there is just a console login, afterwards i can type startx and xfce starts. |
| 12:03.37 | krazykit | bjoernb, you need to install gdm too. |
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| 12:03.50 | abrotman | bjoernb: aptitude install gdm |
| 12:04.01 | abrotman | CRAZY TALK! |
| 12:04.09 | kombi_ | postfix runs jailed, sasl doesn't, how do you best make /var/run/saslauthd visible in /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd? mount --bind isn't enough because ownership must change too.. |
| 12:04.10 | bjoernb | abrotman: i already installed gdm |
| 12:04.50 | kombi_ | write a little script that hardlinks and chowns the files? |
| 12:06.06 | wols | kombi_: I used a link for my lmtp IIRC |
| 12:07.03 | urv | bjoernb: what is your runlevel? |
| 12:08.12 | kombi_ | wols: thing is, those files are re-created on boot |
| 12:08.23 | wols | true |
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| 12:08.48 | abrotman | urv: 2-5 are the same in debian |
| 12:09.05 | kombi_ | guess a little shell script is best, just where would one call it / put it..? |
| 12:09.14 | abrotman | bjoernb: what are the contents of /etc/X11/default-display-manager ? |
| 12:10.04 | solemnwarning | Does etch have netinstall floppies? |
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| 12:10.15 | CalebRipley | Sarge installation problem: i get error while the download of initrd-tools. Installer is unable to download the file. |
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| 12:10.36 | wols | solemnwarning: only bootfloppies. netinst is is 150MB = 150 floppies... |
| 12:10.42 | solemnwarning | :| |
| 12:10.47 | solemnwarning | So I need a CD drive? |
| 12:11.03 | kombi_ | which file can contain shell commands to be executed on boot? |
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| 12:11.23 | krazykit | kombi_, /etc/rc.local |
| 12:11.45 | kombi_ | thanks! |
| 12:12.05 | abrotman | !bf |
| 12:12.05 | dpkg | hmm... etch floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
| 12:12.07 | abrotman | solemnwarning: ^^ |
| 12:12.13 | kombi_ | or better yet, how do you run say, sasl as a user postfix rather than root? |
| 12:12.52 | solemnwarning | I wonder if this thing supports booting from USB |
| 12:12.54 | abrotman | solemnwarning: those are essentially netinst floppies .. but more like the businesscard .. you won't get far if your intarweb doesn't work |
| 12:13.03 | bjoernb | i will reboot. perhaps it will work then again. when i restarted x it did not work |
| 12:13.30 | harpal | how to make deb file from some source file |
| 12:13.39 | harpal | any one know that |
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| 12:14.34 | wols | harpal: checkinstall |
| 12:14.55 | abrotman | or read the packaging guides |
| 12:15.00 | solemnwarning | abrotman: Is boot.img, root.img and net-drivers-*.img enough to install from floppies? |
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| 12:15.58 | harpal | wols: checkinstall? |
| 12:16.06 | CalebRipley | solemnwarning: i think so.. |
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| 12:16.12 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 12:16.22 | abrotman | solemnwarning: if your network works .. yes |
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| 12:24.10 | Ramattack | Hi all |
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| 12:25.10 | Ramattack | If in bind I'm using a primary zone server and secondary zone server (another one obviously) should primary zone server available from Internet? |
| 12:25.47 | Ramattack | or it while the slave server can access to it is enough??? |
| 12:26.43 | ix | hmm, can I extract the configuration and/or version from a linux kernel *file* in any way? |
| 12:26.57 | krazykit | ix, yeah |
| 12:27.21 | krazykit | ix, debian kernels have /boot/config-2.6.* |
| 12:28.05 | ix | well, yes, but this one I compiled myself |
| 12:28.19 | krazykit | did you configure it to use a config.gz in proc? |
| 12:28.23 | ix | and I'd prefer not to boot it (it's for a specialized diskless client) |
| 12:28.30 | krazykit | ah |
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| 12:28.51 | krazykit | ix, running the kernel through strings will give you the version near the top |
| 12:28.57 | ix | krazykit: ah. |
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| 12:29.28 | krazykit | as far as the config, i don't know how if you didn't build it with make-kpkg |
| 12:29.45 | ix | krazykit: but extracting the version helps alot, thanks :) |
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| 12:29.54 | ix | worked perfectly |
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| 12:30.41 | dragond | I need some help.. I have a server running debian etch and when ever i try to run any commands i get bash: /bin/ps: Input/output error |
| 12:30.51 | jetscreamer | where/what is the mencoder equiv for adobe acrobat that will let me edit .pdf ? ie, on marillat or other for legal reasons... |
| 12:31.03 | jetscreamer | or is there one |
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| 12:37.01 | dragond | anyone? |
| 12:37.25 | jetscreamer | you might wait |
| 12:37.30 | jetscreamer | seems a bit slow atm |
| 12:37.43 | petemc | jetscreamer: apt-cache search edit pdf |
| 12:37.52 | user1_ | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28320/ help |
| 12:37.54 | jetscreamer | i may have seen somebody discuss that, but a long time ago and no idea |
| 12:37.58 | sn0 | dragond that sounds like a disk / controller error |
| 12:38.09 | jetscreamer | ps doesn't |
| 12:38.10 | petemc | dragond: can you run dmesg? |
| 12:38.33 | jetscreamer | all my hd errors didn't have that, all i know |
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| 12:39.31 | jetscreamer | you're thinking pio maybe |
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| 12:41.49 | sn0 | dragond until you can be sure what is causing it maybe boot from a livecd or network boot to inspect the disk/filesystem/ etc |
| 12:41.50 | dragond | petemc: i'll check |
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| 12:42.06 | dragond | petemc: nope |
| 12:42.32 | dragond | sn0: i can't... remote server. hosted like 400 mi away from me |
| 12:42.42 | jetscreamer | somebody grep a very large log |
| 12:42.51 | jetscreamer | a year's worth |
| 12:42.52 | mhi | Hi. What is the difference between eclipse-platform-gcj and eclipse-platform? OK, the first one is compiled with gcj. But why does the gcj version depend ohne the non-gcj version? |
| 12:42.59 | user1_ | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28323/ helppp |
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| 12:43.03 | jetscreamer | i know i've seen somebody with that before |
| 12:43.07 | sn0 | dragond :< i have been burnt before with support on remote systems so now network boot/recovery console is a MUST |
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| 12:43.44 | derchris_ | I could need some help with dist-upgrade sarge to etch |
| 12:43.51 | abrotman | !bts |
| 12:43.51 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 12:44.01 | abrotman | derchris_: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 12:44.07 | derchris_ | I know how |
| 12:44.13 | derchris_ | I have some problem with packages |
| 12:44.27 | mhi | Why does "apt-get -f install" does not fetch required depedencies in etch (as it did in earlier versions)? |
| 12:44.27 | petemc | user1_: did you try what it tells you to try? |
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| 12:44.59 | petemc | user1_: ah. nevermind |
| 12:44.59 | user1_ | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28323/ petemc |
| 12:45.02 | petemc | yz |
| 12:45.07 | jetscreamer | user1_: looks like a problem with debconf, not the openssh, but you probably knew that |
| 12:45.38 | jetscreamer | mhi: maybe it can't because they aren't available... no idea. |
| 12:45.39 | user1_ | i don't care what problem is it with, how do i fix it? |
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| 12:46.21 | dragond | sn0: the company i'm with is great on support. |
| 12:46.21 | jetscreamer | user1_: i dunno.. is debconf installed? |
| 12:46.21 | ilreds | hi to all |
| 12:46.28 | Ronin | user1_: should alsways care what the problem is, that tends to lead to how to fix it |
| 12:46.49 | dragond | sn0: but they like to reinstall instead of really tring to figure anything out |
| 12:46.53 | indraveni | hi, apt-file search mail, doesn't show any output |
| 12:47.08 | indraveni | my sources.list is have ftp.se.debian.org repo path |
| 12:47.10 | jetscreamer | indraveni: did you apt-file update ? |
| 12:47.10 | ilreds | why some packages are very old into the sid repository too? for example snort. Is there an answer? |
| 12:47.17 | derchris_ | abrotman: I did a apt-get dist-upgrade, and then there were problems with /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 12:47.28 | sn0 | dragond im not sure what to suggest then sorry, hope you get it working |
| 12:47.28 | mhi | jetscreamer: They are available. apt-get --help reports: "-f Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails"? Has --fix-broken been dropped? |
| 12:47.30 | petemc | indraveni: have you ran apt-file update ? |
| 12:47.38 | indraveni | jetscreamer, no, |
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| 12:47.48 | indraveni | sorry, i will run that and check |
| 12:47.52 | jetscreamer | indraveni: do so then eh :) |
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| 12:48.19 | jetscreamer | mhi: afaik it's still the same in sid |
| 12:48.22 | jetscreamer | and functions |
| 12:48.30 | jetscreamer | unless it changed in the past week |
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| 12:49.07 | Jckf | Is there a log of system shutdowns and power ons? |
| 12:49.19 | abrotman | derchris_: is opera installed ? |
| 12:49.24 | derchris_ | no |
| 12:49.25 | xand | Jckf: try last command |
| 12:49.26 | user1_ | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28326/ i've no way to fix it |
| 12:49.28 | jetscreamer | user1_: try apt-get install debconf maybe |
| 12:49.31 | abrotman | derchris_: paste the error |
| 12:49.32 | user1_ | i believe no one can help me |
| 12:49.35 | abrotman | user1_: bugs.debian.org |
| 12:49.37 | derchris_ | wait, I paste it |
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| 12:49.49 | jetscreamer | that's !paste not paste |
| 12:49.52 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 12:49.52 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 12:50.19 | Jckf | ok. So my system keeps rebooting randomly -.- |
| 12:50.41 | jetscreamer | Jckf: why? :) (j/k) |
| 12:51.04 | Jckf | Or not.. veery day at 15:55 |
| 12:51.06 | Jckf | Eh |
| 12:51.10 | Jckf | *every |
| 12:51.14 | jetscreamer | Jckf: does it do this in console, or only gui |
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| 12:51.23 | Jckf | Its a server |
| 12:51.32 | jetscreamer | keeps rebooting at 15:55 ? |
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| 12:51.40 | Jckf | The whole system goes down for 2 minutes or so |
| 12:51.42 | jetscreamer | cronjob? |
| 12:51.47 | Jckf | Logged as reboot |
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| 12:51.55 | Jckf | I'll check |
| 12:52.02 | jetscreamer | i have no idea though |
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| 12:52.14 | Jckf | Can I list all other user's cronjobs in one command? |
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| 12:52.35 | indraveni | jetscreamer, after apt-file update, its working with debian repo |
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| 12:52.53 | indraveni | jetscreamer, but now I changed to my local repository path and apt-file is not showing any output |
| 12:53.02 | jetscreamer | only a user with sudo access could reboot the box eh ? |
| 12:53.07 | jetscreamer | indraveni: no idea |
| 12:53.09 | indraveni | jetscreamer, I ran apt-file update again, anything else should be done? |
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| 12:53.18 | petemc | indraveni: did you figure out how contents.gz gets generated? |
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| 12:53.21 | derchris_ | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/31903 |
| 12:53.50 | abrotman | purge xtdesktop .. try again |
| 12:53.55 | jetscreamer | !info xtdesktop |
| 12:54.07 | indraveni | petemc, yes |
| 12:54.11 | jetscreamer | [07.54.01] <dpkg> Package 'xtdesktop' does not exist |
| 12:54.16 | jetscreamer | nuke it |
| 12:54.22 | indraveni | petemc, I generated contents file using apt-ftparchive, and then generated contents.gz |
| 12:54.45 | indraveni | petemc, still I cannot find apt-file search foo, working |
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| 12:54.53 | jetscreamer | --purge it or force the other |
| 12:55.03 | jetscreamer | i'd go with --purge personally |
| 12:55.07 | user1_ | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28326/ is there a way to fix it? |
| 12:55.14 | jetscreamer | well depends if i wanted xtdesktop |
| 12:55.38 | tsimmes | When I'm trying to add to amarok ogg files I get the error "Some media could not be loaded (not playable)", how can I fix this prblem? |
| 12:55.39 | jetscreamer | derchris_: that was for you |
| 12:56.18 | jetscreamer | user1_: did you try installing debconf, or is it installed, or did you even see me ask you this earlier? |
| 12:56.21 | user1_ | man debian is buggy |
| 12:56.30 | user1_ | i did that many times |
| 12:56.34 | jetscreamer | user1_: quit running ubuntu? |
| 12:56.35 | user1_ | even reconfig debconf |
| 12:56.41 | user1_ | ... |
| 12:56.47 | petemc | user1_: you talk some shit for someone who knows very little |
| 12:56.48 | indraveni | petemc, what may be missing? |
| 12:56.52 | Ronin | user1_: heh |
| 12:56.52 | petemc | indraveni: not sure, sorry |
| 12:56.59 | user1_ | do you see my pastebin? |
| 12:57.11 | Jckf | wolfram:/etc/cron.d# last | grep boot |
| 12:57.12 | Jckf | reboot system boot 2.6.18-4-486 Tue Jul 3 15:50 - 16:01 (00:10) |
| 12:57.12 | Jckf | reboot system boot 2.6.18-4-486 Sun Jul 1 20:48 - 16:01 (1+19:13) |
| 12:57.12 | Jckf | reboot system boot 2.6.18-4-486 Sun Jul 1 18:28 - 16:01 (1+21:32) |
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| 12:57.17 | user1_ | Get:1 http://ftp.uk.debian.org stable Release.gpg [378B] |
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| 12:57.23 | Jckf | Hooray |
| 12:57.26 | user1_ | does this look like ubuntu to you? |
| 12:57.28 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 12:57.29 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 12:57.36 | Jckf | Sorry =p |
| 12:57.44 | BotaniCar | !copy |
| 12:57.45 | BotaniCar | lol |
| 12:57.46 | cast | user1_: the release notes mention the ssh upgrade issue |
| 12:57.55 | indraveni | any one else there who can help me ikn making apt-file command to work on my local repository |
| 12:57.57 | tsimmes | Can someone recommend me good program for arranging music library? |
| 12:58.27 | BotaniCar | tsimmes: "where is it" but its not free and is for windows (supported by wine thou) |
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| 12:58.29 | Jckf | Here: http://paste.debian.net/31905 Help me find out why this is happening -.- |
| 12:58.50 | tsimmes | BotaniCar, thanks but I want something for debian |
| 12:58.58 | Ch0Hag | This is rather worrying: |
| 12:59.03 | Ch0Hag | apt-get: symbol , version GLIBC_2.2.5 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 12:59.05 | cast | hmm, or at least, something somewhere does :x |
| 12:59.20 | BotaniCar | tsimmes: i wish i knew of something like that, if it would let me import my existing catalogs , even better |
| 12:59.21 | BotaniCar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.27 | user1_ | cast, does it mention about how to fix it? |
| 12:59.48 | tsimmes | :[ |
| 13:00.20 | cast | user1_: btw you should be using aptitude, |
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| 13:01.07 | user1_ | ... o..k |
| 13:01.12 | derchris_ | abrotman: I'm not able to get it removed |
| 13:01.16 | cast | user1_: what are you upgrading from sarge to etch? |
| 13:01.20 | user1_ | want me do the same thing with aptitude? |
| 13:01.24 | user1_ | not upgrading |
| 13:01.28 | derchris_ | apt-cache says it is installed |
| 13:01.33 | user1_ | just trying to apt-get install telnet |
| 13:01.40 | derchris_ | but apt-get remove is not working |
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| 13:02.34 | cast | user1_: i'd try the same dist-upgrade with aptitude, if the ssh pkg is causing you issues, remove it and then install openssh-server/client |
| 13:02.38 | abrotman | derchris_: why not ? |
| 13:03.07 | Ch0Hag | Is there any documentation on the new recommendation to use aptitude rather than apt-get/ |
| 13:03.12 | derchris_ | It always tells me unmet dependencies |
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| 13:03.14 | Ch0Hag | Saying, perhaps, why. |
| 13:03.16 | cast | user1_: i have nfi why you have the debconf issue though |
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| 13:03.43 | cast | Ch0Hag: it was recommended in the sarge manual |
| 13:03.49 | cast | !aptitude why |
| 13:03.52 | user1_ | i'm login in with ssh |
| 13:03.55 | cast | !why aptitude |
| 13:03.55 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 13:04.00 | user1_ | if i remove it, will i be in deep shit? |
| 13:04.00 | junix|work | i am having an issue with my dual monitors, one screen is a smaller resolution that the other, and both are set to 1280x1024, i'm on Debian Etch |
| 13:04.02 | Ch0Hag | Sarge?? |
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| 13:04.34 | user1_ | ok, aptitude works |
| 13:04.39 | cast | Ch0Hag: you remember, sarge? |
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| 13:05.00 | sandman | Is there an IDE out there that accomodates every programming language? |
| 13:05.02 | cast | user1_: maybe, it is a bit risky, wasn't sure if you didn't have direct access to your server or not |
| 13:05.06 | cast | sandman: no. |
| 13:05.20 | Arafangion | sandman: Debian Linux comes close, though. |
| 13:05.23 | Ch0Hag | Well I knew aptitude existed in sarge, but I didn't think apt-get was being frowned upon that far back. |
| 13:05.49 | sandman | apt-get is frowned upon? |
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| 13:06.48 | cast | sandman: yes. |
| 13:07.04 | sandman | cast: I was not aware of that. Is this simply because it's deprecated now, or something? |
| 13:08.01 | cast | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html aptitude is the preferred program for package management from console. |
| 13:08.23 | sandman | synaptic uses aptitude, not apt-get, yes? |
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| 13:08.49 | cast | i do not know, i do not use synaptic |
| 13:09.08 | sandman | Wow, Eclipse is snazzy. |
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| 13:09.23 | Ch0Hag | The manual only says aptitude is better at handling dependencies and conflicts. |
| 13:09.26 | user1_ | debian is really buggy: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28326/ |
| 13:09.41 | derchris_ | abrotman: I tried apt-get and aptitude, both telling me the same error. I don't know how to solve this one |
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| 13:09.57 | abrotman | derchris_: what's the error ? |
| 13:10.03 | cast | Ch0Hag: the sarge one actually recommended etch, and the manual says what i just pasted, 'preferred program' |
| 13:10.06 | petemc | user1_: you said using aptitude fixed the problem? |
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| 13:10.18 | abrotman | derchris_: dpkg -P xtdesktop |
| 13:10.19 | Ch0Hag | That's rather annoying. |
| 13:10.29 | user1_ | no, it just install things, with errors |
| 13:10.34 | Ch0Hag | aptitude is more typeing than apt-get. |
| 13:10.41 | derchris_ | abrotman: the error with the x11-common and xtdesktop, that he can't overwrite /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 13:10.42 | Ch0Hag | Also it makes my fingers move in a funny way to get it. |
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| 13:10.47 | Ch0Hag | typing |
| 13:10.49 | cast | Ch0Hag: alias Ai='sudo aptitude install' :) |
| 13:10.51 | petemc | user1_: the problem is a combination of your stinking attitude and your complete lack of knowledgfe |
| 13:11.05 | user1_ | haha sure |
| 13:11.08 | petemc | user1_: but feel free to use something less buggy |
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| 13:11.20 | abrotman | derchris_: dpkg -P xtdesktop |
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| 13:11.37 | abrotman | user1_: if you don't like it .. use another OS |
| 13:11.51 | Ch0Hag | Oh well. It at least has the advantage that it's not depending on symbols libc doesn't have. |
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| 13:12.03 | user1_ | i wish i could, i have setupi exim and bunch of filtering things, otherwise i'd not use debian fcuking buggy linux distribution ever, debian is not stable, it's full of bug: debian is really buggy: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28326/ |
| 13:12.04 | Ch0Hag | Minor annoyance as that is... |
| 13:12.15 | angerman | are there any apache2-mod-python2.4 sarge packages? |
| 13:12.20 | Ch0Hag | Debian buggy? |
| 13:12.22 | junix|work | i am having an issue with my dual monitors, one screen is a smaller resolution that the other, and both are set to 1280x1024, i'm on Debian Etch |
| 13:12.24 | user1_ | and nobody can fix this error out of 766people here |
| 13:12.34 | Ch0Hag | Shame. |
| 13:12.37 | cast | user1_: i personally don't care. :) |
| 13:12.41 | petemc | user1_: you havent set up exim, you've spent a few weeks maning an ass of yourself in #exim asking braindead questions |
| 13:12.42 | abrotman | user1_: STOP TROLLING |
| 13:12.42 | user1_ | it's your pride apt-get |
| 13:12.59 | user1_ | well, FIX THE SHIT, if im wrong about debian |
| 13:13.02 | Ch0Hag | Sounds like you've got an ID-ten-T causing a pebkac problem. |
| 13:13.03 | abrotman | !ops user1_ |
| 13:13.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: user1_ |
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| 13:13.33 | Ch0Hag | That's rather serious, unfortunately. |
| 13:13.47 | derchris_ | abrotman: thanks, now he is installing x11-common |
| 13:14.01 | abrotman | derchris_: i'm guessing xtdesktop was an unofficial package |
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| 13:14.19 | azeem | user1_: please keep it on topic |
| 13:14.22 | derchris_ | abrotman: the whole system is "unofficial" |
| 13:14.28 | derchris_ | its a xbox |
| 13:14.28 | derchris_ | :) |
| 13:14.36 | abrotman | oh |
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| 13:15.23 | cast | Ch0Hag: ahh theres what i was thinking about: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html 'The recommended tool for upgrading between Debian GNU/Linux releases is to use the package management tool aptitude. This tool makes safer decisions about package installations than running apt-get directly.' |
| 13:15.37 | Ch0Hag | user1__: Have you considered finding what's broken on your system and fixing it, or did you just turn straight to bitching to people who don't care? |
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| 13:15.53 | user1__ | the latter |
| 13:15.58 | user1__ | i have nothing better todo |
| 13:16.02 | Ch0Hag | I see. |
| 13:16.03 | user1__ | i create problems |
| 13:16.11 | Ch0Hag | It's not a particularly important system then. |
| 13:16.17 | user1__ | no it's not |
| 13:16.21 | user1__ | it's a toy |
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| 13:16.32 | Ch0Hag | :) |
| 13:16.43 | dragond | so if the debain crashes and reboots with a bad filesystem/harddrive will it continue to boot and load apache and other deamons on a read-only FS? |
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| 13:17.01 | abrotman | !beer RichiH |
| 13:17.24 | abrotman | dragond: it will try .. some of them may not start/hang/timeout because of the RO FS |
| 13:17.57 | abrotman | dragond: wouldn't it be better to fix it ? :) |
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| 13:20.02 | dragond | abrotman: just checking... is there some way i can remount is as RW with everything still running |
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| 13:20.30 | abrotman | dragond: man mount .. there's an -o option to remount as rw |
| 13:20.32 | petemc | dragond: have you tried mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 13:21.00 | dragond | -bash: /bin/mount: Input/output error |
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| 13:21.35 | Ch0Hag | dragond: Sounds like you need to restore from backups onto a new drive and/or filesystem. |
| 13:21.40 | Ch0Hag | You have backups, right? |
| 13:21.42 | Jckf | http://paste.debian.net/31905 A little help please. Why is this happening? |
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| 13:22.46 | J_t_M | Hi all, I want to install a few machines and pick up the packages from a central server (not external repo). How do I do this? |
| 13:23.02 | J_t_M | I have an HTTPD running and have downloaded the DVD Isos |
| 13:23.08 | Ch0Hag | J_t_M: A web proxy is easiest. |
| 13:23.12 | dragond | a few... i got backups of the most emportaint stuff.. the bitch of it is that i had a hd crash on me about a mounth ago and i just got everyhting restored and set back up. like a week ago. support said they replaced the hd but i guess not. |
| 13:23.16 | bulio| | if I used apt-get to update from sarge to etch, will I have mucked up my system? |
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| 13:23.41 | J_t_M | Ch0Hag: Sadly, it's behind excessively opressive firewalls etc. and I need to be able to replicate this once it moves into live from development |
| 13:23.57 | J_t_M | +no internet access once it's in live :( |
| 13:24.13 | Ch0Hag | Then you either build a repository from your DVDs or burn them and use them. |
| 13:24.18 | Ch0Hag | Or get proper internet. |
| 13:24.19 | dragond | bulio|: when i did that it did not turn out well. |
| 13:24.27 | abrotman | Jckf: why is it rebooting at 4:01PM every day ? |
| 13:24.33 | J_t_M | Ch0Hag: Yehr, tell me about it. OK... how do I build a repo? |
| 13:24.39 | abrotman | !tell J_t_M about apt-proxy |
| 13:24.43 | abrotman | !tell J_t_M about repository |
| 13:24.48 | Jckf | abrotman: Its not |
| 13:24.49 | bulio| | dragond: I did that before coming to this channel |
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| 13:25.28 | Jckf | abrotman: That time stamp is the current time |
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| 13:26.14 | dragond | bulio|: did what? all ready updated? |
| 13:26.21 | dragond | ungraded* |
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| 13:28.10 | bulio| | apt-get dist upgrade |
| 13:28.49 | dragond | is there a way i could tell if i was on a virtual server? |
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| 13:29.02 | dragond | maybe something in proc? |
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| 13:29.19 | cast | dragond: run dmesg and look |
| 13:30.38 | dragond | no dmesg... |
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| 13:30.59 | dragond | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:32.15 | Adriano | anyone uses centericq? I'm trying to get it to understand accents (I do use centericq-utf8) |
| 13:32.56 | junix|work | can someone help me with a dual monitor problem, i have one monitor at 1280x1024, the other monitor is at 800x600 maybe |
| 13:33.02 | tsimmes | Can someone recommend me program like amarok for importing and arranging music files? |
| 13:33.15 | bulio| | tsimmes: rhythmbox is nice |
| 13:33.26 | Adriano | tsimmes: banshee? rhythmbox? mp3blaster? |
| 13:33.36 | bulio| | I seem to have broken PHP when I upgraded to etch from sarge |
| 13:33.40 | tsimmes | bulio|, Adriano, thanks i'll try :) |
| 13:33.42 | bulio| | is there some way I can fix it? |
| 13:33.45 | XtypeWriter74 | hi i justed opened xmms to play a mp3, but get this error message : couldn't open audio, please check that : Your soundcard is configured properly,you have the correct output plugin selected,no other program is blocking the soundcard |
| 13:33.58 | XtypeWriter74 | i had the same prob. yesterday with alsaplayer |
| 13:34.06 | bulio| | I believe I installed php5-common |
| 13:34.30 | XtypeWriter74 | and therefore choose xmms (yesterday, and it worked ) no today after reboot, it doesnt either |
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| 13:35.23 | bulio| | anyone? |
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| 13:37.48 | samesame | did debian use the apt-get management system right from the beginning |
| 13:37.59 | samesame | ? |
| 13:38.05 | petemc | no, it wasnt created at the very start |
| 13:38.18 | petemc | theres a history bit on debian.org |
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| 13:38.44 | junix|work | can someone help me with a dual monitor problem, i have one monitor at 1280x1024, the other monitor is at 800x600 maybe |
| 13:39.13 | Adriano | junix|work: I can't help much, but that's not a problem |
| 13:39.25 | Adriano | what do you want to do with the monitors? |
| 13:39.29 | junix|work | how so...both should be at 1280x1024 |
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| 13:40.36 | Adriano | do both monitors support that res? do the video cards support that resolution? |
| 13:40.39 | samesame | i love internet cafes, its not often i get the chance to sit next to beautiful women.. |
| 13:41.01 | junix|work | Adrian: yes, its a dual head video card |
| 13:41.20 | Arafangion | I often use one 1400x1050 screen, and a 1024x768 screen in a dual-head setup. |
| 13:41.40 | junix|work | hmmm...why? |
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| 13:42.49 | cast | samesame: hahaha. |
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| 13:43.08 | junix|work | Arafangion: ...? |
| 13:43.32 | indraveni | hi, i am back again |
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| 13:44.00 | indraveni | I used apt-ftparchive command to create the contents file, but its creating a file similar to release file |
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| 13:44.19 | Arafangion | junix|work: So, yeah, two screens of different resolutions, one graphics card (laptop) |
| 13:44.28 | indraveni | could someone tell me, the syntax of the apt-ftparchive command for creating contents file please? |
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| 13:46.07 | junix|work | Arafangion: will that work? |
| 13:46.21 | sandman | What's the general opinion of scons in here? |
| 13:46.49 | Ronin | sandman: tasty in the mornign with jam |
| 13:46.56 | Arafangion | junix|work: That configuration I just described is how I run it every day. |
| 13:48.01 | dragond | where is php.ini for apache's mod-php5? |
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| 13:49.07 | stew | dragond: /etc/php5/apache[2]/ |
| 13:49.23 | junix|work | Arafangion: but if i want both at 1280x1024... |
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| 13:49.50 | Arafangion | junix|work: Would work better. |
| 13:50.09 | Arafangion | Driver dependant. |
| 13:50.10 | dragond | stew: thanks |
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| 13:51.16 | metbsd | what's that command for ftp over ssh? |
| 13:51.27 | metbsd | sctp or something |
| 13:51.33 | samesame | sftp? |
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| 13:54.40 | cyzie | what is the command to safely remove all the nvidia modules in my lenny? i believed the build nvidia modules is wrong with the kernel |
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| 13:55.19 | dragond | i think phpmyadmin should be written to work in readonly mode.. it would make backing up databases and such eaiser in a emergncy situation |
| 13:55.28 | samesame | cyzie: just reinstall a kernel |
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| 13:57.50 | dragond | how do i get the current runlevel? |
| 13:58.08 | samesame | isnt a kernel a position of somone in the army? |
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| 13:58.27 | indraveni | hi, I installed iptables package in my debian lenny system, but I am not finding any service named iptables in my /etc/init.d/ |
| 13:58.37 | jelly | samesame: it's spelled differently |
| 13:58.38 | cyzie | dragond, runlevel |
| 13:58.39 | indraveni | is there any other package that needs to be installed? |
| 13:59.05 | Enverex | samesame, That's Colonel |
| 13:59.12 | samesame | oh yes.. |
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| 13:59.36 | cyzie | indraveni, iptables --help |
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| 14:00.06 | cyzie | samesame that is not a solution. |
| 14:00.08 | indraveni | cyzie, its just giving me the options for creations etc |
| 14:00.13 | dragond | what is runlevel 2? init or single user? |
| 14:00.27 | indraveni | cyzie, but I want a service |
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| 14:03.27 | acardenas | hello |
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| 14:04.38 | sntiforo | anyone have any idea what starts after usb in the .21 kernel? My kernel seems to stop booting after usb devices are initialized, however .18 still boots fine so I want to track down whats causing the stop. I can still plug and unplug usb devices and it shows the device on the console |
| 14:04.40 | acardenas | i want install debian, anyone can help me ?, because i download the iso, but send me an error when i try install, as the disc is error, but i try download again ans is the same |
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| 14:04.46 | dragond | what is the default runlevel? |
| 14:05.14 | junix|work | 5 |
| 14:05.21 | cyzie | dragond, check in /etc/initab |
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| 14:06.37 | cyzie | indraveni, create a service script ? |
| 14:07.19 | stew | dragond: 2 |
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| 14:07.51 | mike1o | anyone know a repository containing gnash 0.8? |
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| 14:08.23 | dragond | ummm. well i guess it doesn't matter anymore.. it finnaly died the rest of the way |
| 14:09.41 | acardenas | anyone can help me to install debian ? |
| 14:09.41 | stew | mike1o: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:09.59 | mike1o | lenny amd64 |
| 14:10.28 | stimpie | Iam new to debian and looking into it for running it on a few servers, I wish to run 2 packages which are in unstable can I do this while running 'stable' version? |
| 14:10.38 | stew | mike1o: there are experimental packages here: http://users.alioth.debian.org/~baby-guest/gnash/ note they are completely untested and possibly will wipe out your entire hard drive |
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| 14:10.46 | cast | stimpie: you can backport them yourself, or you can check backports.org |
| 14:11.08 | cast | stimpie: what two unstable packages is it? |
| 14:11.13 | Enverex | What's the command to save in Vi? |
| 14:11.21 | cast | Enverex: ESC :w |
| 14:11.24 | stew | stimpie: you should not install unstable packages onto stable without using a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 14:12.04 | cast | acardenas: and what was the error |
| 14:12.08 | yangsx | for mysterious reason, I cannot see the mouse cursor under X. Is there a method to restart it without restart X? |
| 14:12.12 | stimpie | cast, packages are openser and openser |
| 14:12.32 | stimpie | I will look into the backports |
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| 14:12.54 | Thumann | hi, after a .. minor crash, i can't login using GDM anymore.. X starts, and a spinning 'wait' cursor is displayed forever.. but if i stop gdm, shutdown eth0, then start gdm again.. everything works fine.. any ideas? |
| 14:13.18 | cast | stimpie: i'd be pretty sure you'd be able to install it, just if you do it without an official debian package you obviously wont automatically get security fixes |
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| 14:14.07 | cast | Thumann: maybe a file got scrambled, is my only idea |
| 14:14.20 | cast | Thumann: can happen with XFS and reiserfs |
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| 14:15.21 | stimpie | cast, so that comes down to just install from source 'manually' |
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| 14:16.00 | cast | stimpie: bingo, but don't do ./configure && make && make install, use either a simple sid backport [ask dpkg], stow, or dh_make && dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 14:16.33 | Thumann | cast: using ext3 |
| 14:16.35 | stimpie | cast, thanks |
| 14:16.42 | acardenas | the error |
| 14:16.58 | acardenas | in load installer component |
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| 14:18.41 | acardenas | integrity of Cd-rom, but i download a some times, and is the same !! |
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| 14:20.10 | cast | acardenas: well if that installation method is giving you pain i like using a livecd+debootstrap |
| 14:20.57 | Ronin | acardenas: did you confirm the checksum before burning? tired different mirrors? new-install? |
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| 14:21.13 | sntiforo | its extremely bad to mix etch and unstable right? I want to install only a few packages which seem to require libraries that are in unstable. Does this mean Im better off dist-upgrading the entire system to unstable? Or can I just add the unstable repos and install the packages allowing it to upgrade only what apt feels is necessary |
| 14:21.13 | sntiforo | ? |
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| 14:22.06 | stew | sntiforo: do not try to mix the two. the recommended way to do this is to backport the packages you need: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:22.09 | acardenas | i try in diferent mirrors, where can i download the correct iso |
| 14:22.11 | acardenas | ? |
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| 14:23.35 | indraveni | hi, need help in creating the contents file in my local debian repository |
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| 14:26.39 | sntiforo | !backports |
| 14:26.39 | dpkg | hmm... backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 14:26.53 | sntiforo | stew: thanks, Im gonna check if the libs are there now |
| 14:27.05 | test_ | anyone know a program better than xmotd for displaying message of the day , xmotd also pops up even if the file is empty |
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| 14:29.21 | abrotman | !repository |
| 14:29.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
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| 14:31.30 | logd | hi, there's a way to share a device between multiple apps ? i need to share a /dev/video1 with two progrs. but i dunno how - once one attachs the device isn't useable by the other |
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| 14:32.40 | xerophyte | does anybody know how does this report generated .. http://www.pastebin.ca/601428 i mean which program is used for it ? |
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| 14:33.07 | junix|work | i am having some trouble with my dual monitor setup, i have one monitor at 1280x1024, and what looks like another monitor setup at 800x600, but in the config, i have it setup for 1280x1024, for both monitors, i'm on debian etch |
| 14:33.12 | spheard | how do I format my USB drive? I just got a 400GB maxtor thing and my mate with a mac managed to screw it all up :-/ |
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| 14:34.56 | karsten | spheard: HD or flash? |
| 14:35.05 | xerophyte | my server lacks of swap and its crash is there anyway i can increase the swap partition ? is it better to make file base file system and use that as swap ? |
| 14:35.19 | logd | <xerophyte> looks like a var/log/syslog |
| 14:35.27 | jetscreamer | you can use a swap file |
| 14:35.39 | jetscreamer | if you don't have a spare partition |
| 14:35.45 | karsten | spheard: ... either way, pretty much the same you'd do any other drive. You mkfs it, modulo the filesystem that's appropriate for the device (vfat if you plan on sharing with Mac / Windows). |
| 14:35.48 | spheard | karsten: wow, imagine a 400GB flash drive :-D |
| 14:35.52 | xerophyte | logd, you mean that came from the syslog ? if so thanks i will take look at that |
| 14:35.58 | jetscreamer | a partition is faster better stronger, but a file works |
| 14:36.09 | petemc | jetscreamer: im not sure thats still true |
| 14:36.21 | karsten | spheard: They're gonna be there soon enough. |
| 14:36.27 | jetscreamer | if you mean faster better stronger, i agree |
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| 14:36.33 | xerophyte | jetscreamer, is there anyway i can re-size the partition |
| 14:36.34 | spheard | karsten: not for ÂŁ80 |
| 14:36.34 | jetscreamer | if you mean a file doesn't work, i don't |
| 14:36.40 | karsten | spheard: ;-) |
| 14:36.54 | jetscreamer | xerophyte: in the usual resize partitions manner |
| 14:36.56 | petemc | jetscreamer: there isnt a performance hit in using file rather than a partition |
| 14:36.58 | jetscreamer | all of which i hate |
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| 14:37.20 | spheard | karsten: okay, so mkfs, could yo give me an example of what Im doing with it pls? |
| 14:37.24 | jetscreamer | petemc: ah ok then i tend to agree given faster hd's and the age of that 'rule' |
| 14:37.35 | jetscreamer | !info parted |
| 14:37.37 | karsten | spheard: man mkfs ;-) |
| 14:37.39 | dpkg | parted: (The GNU Parted disk partition resizing program), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.7.1-5.1 (sid), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 14:38.06 | karsten | spheard: mkfs.vfat <partition> |
| 14:38.20 | jetscreamer | xerophyte: you need freespace on the drive or need to shrink another partition |
| 14:38.25 | jetscreamer | jsut use a swapfile |
| 14:38.32 | jetscreamer | much easier and faster |
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| 14:38.38 | acardenas | where can i download debian?, because, i download and say that the integrity of cd is bad |
| 14:38.39 | jetscreamer | or don't |
| 14:38.43 | cast | faster setup wise, not in practice :P |
| 14:38.49 | jetscreamer | acardenas: why not use a netinstall |
| 14:38.59 | karsten | spheard: ... you want to find out how the drive is partitioned first (and you can repartition it if you'd like), then mkfs.<filesystem type> on the partitions just as you'd ordinarially do on a local fixed disk. |
| 14:39.14 | karsten | acardenas: www.debian.org |
| 14:39.18 | jetscreamer | acardenas: try goodbye-windows.com ... i like it works well for me |
| 14:39.19 | karsten | !tell acardenas about netinst |
| 14:39.33 | karsten | acardenas: And read the damned install manual which tells you this shit. |
| 14:39.38 | acardenas | jetscreamer: how use netinsatll ? |
| 14:39.52 | jetscreamer | acardenas: just go to goodbye-windows.com |
| 14:40.02 | karsten | jetscreamer: I thought it was goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 14:40.04 | jetscreamer | if you have windows.. note you don't have to uninstall windows |
| 14:40.07 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 14:40.11 | jetscreamer | heck i dunno |
| 14:40.13 | kupesoft | Is there a good media player that works in a web browser (i. e. for a headless server connected to speakers) |
| 14:40.20 | jetscreamer | i thought windows |
| 14:40.35 | karsten | jetscreamer: Ah, it's both. |
| 14:40.40 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 14:40.42 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 14:40.47 | acardenas | ok, let me try |
| 14:40.49 | jetscreamer | i've used it 2 or 3 times |
| 14:40.52 | karsten | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ http://www.goodbye-windows.com/ |
| 14:40.56 | jetscreamer | i'm happy |
| 14:41.05 | samesame | do u guys read the manuals from your TFT or do u print them out? |
| 14:41.14 | junix|work | i am having some trouble with my dual monitor setup, i have one monitor at 1280x1024, and what looks like another monitor setup at 800x600, but in the config, i have it setup for 1280x1024, for both monitors, i'm on debian etch |
| 14:41.16 | karsten | jetscreamer: I'd like to try it but I'd need to install Windows first.... |
| 14:41.24 | karsten | samesame: TFT? |
| 14:41.29 | samesame | display |
| 14:41.33 | samesame | monitor, etc |
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| 14:41.39 | karsten | samesame: Online, in general. |
| 14:41.46 | Ronin | people read monitors manuals? |
| 14:41.46 | abrotman | kupesoft: i think mpd has a web interface thingie |
| 14:42.16 | abrotman | Ronin: just long enough to get to the part where ti says "Do not open monitor while plugged in" .. they have no idea what they're talking about |
| 14:42.18 | fasta | I get errors found during <...>. I want to completely remove that package, no questions asked. How do I do that? |
| 14:42.19 | jetscreamer | junix|work: gpu info might be nice... like nvda or ati |
| 14:42.31 | junix|work | jetscreamer: sorry, i'm using a nvidia |
| 14:42.33 | fasta | (using aptitude) |
| 14:42.37 | junix|work | dual head geforce2 |
| 14:42.51 | jetscreamer | junix|work: got metamodes et al? |
| 14:42.56 | karsten | Ronin: s/monitors// |
| 14:42.59 | junix|work | yes |
| 14:43.16 | jetscreamer | junix|work: paste your xorg.conf |
| 14:43.19 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 14:43.19 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 14:43.29 | fasta | I want to remove libghc6-ftphs-dev |
| 14:43.55 | jetscreamer | fasta: aptitude remove --purge ? |
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| 14:44.32 | spheard | how many megs to 100GB, 100000? |
| 14:44.38 | jetscreamer | see also dpkg --purge <package> |
| 14:44.41 | cast | spheard: google. |
| 14:44.44 | jetscreamer | 1024x100 |
| 14:44.50 | jetscreamer | x100 |
| 14:44.56 | jetscreamer | sdjaihfsdhfjsha |
| 14:44.58 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 14:45.12 | fasta | jetscreamer: I get errors using the normal remove |
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| 14:45.22 | jetscreamer | paste the errors |
| 14:45.23 | fasta | jetscreamer: the semantics of purge are the same in that case, IIRC |
| 14:45.25 | jetscreamer | in a pastebin |
| 14:45.26 | junix|work | jetscreamer: http://pastebin.ca/601447 |
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| 14:45.45 | fasta | jetscreamer: I will, but I need to restart my computer, because of a fan problem. |
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| 14:46.10 | jetscreamer | junix|work: more like http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf.debian |
| 14:46.19 | karsten | spheard: The newish standard is that "KB/MB/GB/PB" refers to decimal, "KiB/MiB/GiB/PiB" refers to base-two memory/storage measures. |
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| 14:46.46 | indraveni | hi, I used the method given in http://hausheer.osola.com/docs/14 for creating contents file |
| 14:46.52 | karsten | spheard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix |
| 14:47.01 | indraveni | and it created an empty file for me |
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| 14:47.15 | jetscreamer | junix|work: the metamodes are paired groups |
| 14:47.24 | karsten | spheard: So: MiB == binary prefix, MB == SI prefix (base ten) |
| 14:47.25 | smacnay | Anyone use GCStar and having troubles fetching info? |
| 14:47.35 | jetscreamer | each member of the pair is for each monitor |
| 14:47.53 | junix|work | ok |
| 14:47.57 | junix|work | what does that mean? |
| 14:48.00 | junix|work | what do i need to do? |
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| 14:48.22 | jetscreamer | "1024x768,1024x768; 800x600,800x600" |
| 14:48.26 | jetscreamer | look at my link |
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| 14:49.07 | jetscreamer | like the left 1024 is for the left monitor |
| 14:49.12 | jetscreamer | and the right the right |
| 14:49.26 | jetscreamer | the second group is for 800.. |
| 14:49.39 | jetscreamer | note that they don't have to be the same size in each group |
| 14:49.44 | jetscreamer | err pair |
| 14:50.26 | jetscreamer | junix|work: are you using nvidia or nv driver in xorg |
| 14:50.35 | spheard | Ill use blocks |
| 14:50.37 | jetscreamer | i can't swear dual monitors work with nv |
| 14:50.40 | jetscreamer | no idea though |
| 14:50.48 | junix|work | nvidia |
| 14:51.02 | jetscreamer | which driver |
| 14:51.04 | jetscreamer | version |
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| 14:51.59 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - is anybody here proficient with mdadm? debian will not boot, so i am trying to recreate the array. both devices are known good, but the array is not created in the debian installer - any ideas? |
| 14:52.16 | jetscreamer | junix|work: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.11/README/chapter-13.html |
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| 14:52.28 | spheard | WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy. any ideas? |
| 14:52.42 | karsten | Super_Cat_Frog: /msg dpkg anyone. Might want to try a miling list if no results here. |
| 14:52.52 | jetscreamer | spheard: reboot |
| 14:53.02 | karsten | spheard: Any other processes running and/or accessing the device? Go single-user and/or reboot. |
| 14:53.12 | Super_Cat_Frog | karsten: fair enough |
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| 14:53.32 | jdolan_ | is there a command line tool for managing init levels like chk-config, or do i just mangle symlinks? |
| 14:53.51 | karsten | Super_Cat_Frog: Otherwise, post specific details of what you're trying to do, commands issued, errors or other results. /msg dpkg pastebin. |
| 14:53.55 | stew | !red hat tools |
| 14:53.55 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. in more recent debian versions /etc/init.d/rc.local exists, see the script for more info |
| 14:53.59 | karsten | jdolan_: update-rc.d |
| 14:54.25 | karsten | stew: Good factoid. |
| 14:54.57 | stew | does etch install discover by default? |
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| 14:55.16 | azeem | is kudzu used by admins on RH anyway? |
| 14:55.25 | jetscreamer | stew: seems to me no, not 'that' discover, but not sure |
| 14:55.33 | karsten | stew: Perhaps. It's on this system, I don't think I installed it, relatively fresh... |
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| 14:56.11 | karsten | stew: But it's priority "optional" |
| 14:56.36 | stew | i did my first etch install recently but the machine is in downstairs in s3, and i can't seem to get wol working, ever |
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| 14:56.58 | azeem | discover is not installed on my relatively bare-bone etch notebo^Wserver |
| 14:57.01 | karsten | stew: s3? |
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| 14:57.25 | stew | karsten: suspend |
| 14:57.42 | karsten | Ah. |
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| 14:57.56 | azeem | I thought you meant a security level 3 dna lab |
| 14:58.10 | azeem | where you have to shower to get in/out |
| 14:58.13 | stew | my dna lab has no security |
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| 15:01.13 | karsten | stew: TMI |
| 15:01.21 | karsten | stew: ... want me to try stable or testing? |
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| 15:02.07 | azeem | is there a way to toss qemu a partition, and just make it use that? |
| 15:02.14 | azeem | or do I have to create some harddisk image |
| 15:02.19 | karsten | azeem: Sure. |
| 15:02.21 | stew | karsten: i don't really care that much |
| 15:02.31 | karsten | azeem: qemu -hda <partition> |
| 15:02.45 | azeem | karsten: so, qemu -hda /dev/hda4? |
| 15:02.47 | karsten | azeem: I prefer giving it a 6 GB sparse file myself. |
| 15:02.59 | karsten | azeem: Right. |
| 15:03.21 | karsten | azeem: You can also give it your CD device, say, for testing bootable images and/or burns. |
| 15:03.28 | azeem | right, ok |
| 15:03.37 | karsten | azeem: qemu really rocks. |
| 15:03.43 | azeem | I want to test it on an already-installed OS on one of my partitions, though |
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| 15:04.17 | karsten | azeem: Right. |
| 15:04.31 | azeem | ok, cool, thanks |
| 15:04.33 | karsten | azeem: You can also specify a CoW partition, so you don't actually modify the on-disk system. |
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| 15:04.52 | karsten | azeem: Changes are saved in a seperate CoW file. |
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| 15:05.24 | Muisje | how do i add a user to another group using cli? |
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| 15:05.48 | maher | Muisje: adduser |
| 15:05.50 | cast | Muisje: google.com. |
| 15:06.09 | Super_Cat_Frog | /dev/md0 is not created on boot, i have created it using mknod b 9 0 /dev/md0, but mdadm -D /dev/md0 tells me it is not valid, /proc/mdstat says i have no arrays, mdadm -E /dev/discs/disc1/part1 tells me that it is correct, as does disc0. how can i make an md0 array and add these two working drives into it ? (the reason they fell out of the array was due to a bug in the firmware which has now been fixed) |
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| 15:06.12 | watercup | Hello |
| 15:06.24 | watercup | I have a few questions - hoping to get some help... |
| 15:06.29 | junix|work | jetscreamer: THANK YOU |
| 15:06.46 | karsten | !tell watercup about ask |
| 15:06.51 | jetscreamer | np |
| 15:06.53 | watercup | 1. I have access to my machines on the LAN but no access to the Inet - no access to DNS servers, how do I fix this |
| 15:07.03 | karsten | Super_Cat_Frog: Sounds like a possible initrd problem. |
| 15:07.07 | Super_Cat_Frog | i am in the debian installer at the moment, as i cannot boot into my hd install, im using etch |
| 15:07.07 | Muisje | cast, don't answer if you have no usefull remark... |
| 15:07.13 | karsten | watercup: Add a route. |
| 15:07.13 | watercup | 2. Which shall I use dpkg or apt-get or apt or dselect ? |
| 15:07.20 | watercup | karsten: how please? |
| 15:07.25 | Muisje | maher, i already found a way to do it without giving rights, which is better due to security reasons... |
| 15:07.29 | cast | Muisje: that was very useful. |
| 15:07.45 | karsten | watercup: You need a default route configured on each host, and a designated gateway host (at least one, but let's keep it simple) which forwards packets. |
| 15:07.47 | cast | Muisje: let me try, just for arguments sake :) |
| 15:08.20 | karsten | watercup: How are you currently configuring network and/or what is your gateway (upstream / Internet) connection? Is it another Linux box, a hardware router/switch, or what? |
| 15:08.21 | watercup | karsten: i'm sorry but I don't get you. inet access was workign before. now it doesn't. please elaborate more , in pm even if you prefer |
| 15:08.30 | watercup | a hardware router |
| 15:08.35 | karsten | watercup: We don't PM here. |
| 15:08.37 | watercup | and it used to connect to Inet fine |
| 15:08.40 | watercup | fair enuff |
| 15:08.45 | karsten | watercup: What's "it"? |
| 15:08.46 | maher | watercup: what changed? |
| 15:08.54 | watercup | nothing changed. |
| 15:08.56 | Super_Cat_Frog | karsten: i cant mount either drive, dmesg tells me they have unrecognised ext2 extensions, which i presume is because they are raid'd - how can i change the initrd? |
| 15:09.01 | karsten | watercup: ... and what changed, and what OS / release / distro is involved. |
| 15:09.03 | watercup | nothing at all. that's the weird thing |
| 15:09.16 | Super_Cat_Frog | karsten: and it worked fine, then it just stopped working |
| 15:09.17 | watercup | I have: DSL modem/router -> hub -> Debian box |
| 15:09.22 | karsten | watercup: That's where you're wrong ;-) |
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| 15:09.33 | watercup | my distro is Etch |
| 15:09.42 | karsten | watercup: Ok: 'route -n' on the debian box (as root, or /sbin/route -n as non-root). |
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| 15:09.54 | karsten | watercup: Just checking that this is a Linux/Debian question ;-) |
| 15:09.54 | watercup | yes will that do right now |
| 15:10.02 | karsten | !tell watercup about paste |
| 15:10.04 | watercup | i greatly appreciate your helps |
| 15:10.14 | karsten | watercup: Use a pastebin for output. |
| 15:10.46 | watercup | ok |
| 15:10.50 | watercup | one sec |
| 15:10.51 | junix|work | whenever i am in gnome, and hit Shift+1 i d0on't get the Application Menu coming down, why?? I have tried to change it. |
| 15:11.37 | watercup | errr i can't paste into pastebin |
| 15:11.44 | karsten | watercup: Pasting your /etc/network/interfaces file may also be helpful. Actually, run: /sbin/route -n; /sbin/ifconfig -a; more /etc/network/interfaces /etc/resolv.conf | cat" |
| 15:11.45 | watercup | because i have no netwk access out of my linux |
| 15:11.49 | karsten | watercup: ... and paste that. |
| 15:11.52 | watercup | i can't |
| 15:11.55 | karsten | watercup: Then do sneakernet transfer |
| 15:11.56 | watercup | i have no access to the web |
| 15:12.01 | watercup | what's dat? |
| 15:12.04 | karsten | Floppy, USB stick, etc. |
| 15:12.08 | watercup | right |
| 15:12.11 | watercup | thanks for the new term |
| 15:12.12 | karsten | !sneakernet |
| 15:12.12 | dpkg | methinks sneakernet is "never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes", attributed to various people, including Andy Tanenbaum, Dennis Ritchie, and Warren Jackson |
| 15:12.43 | samesame | what are your opinions of this comment: |
| 15:12.52 | samesame | <RyeBrye> They call it Stable because that's what people tied their horses up in when the kernel version was written |
| 15:12.57 | karsten | dpkg: sneakernet is also generally file transfer accomplished via physical storage walked from host to host. |
| 15:12.57 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 15:13.03 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 15:13.03 | dpkg | In Debian terminology, 'Stable' means "Static", i.e: 'it doesn't change'. It's your only risk to use Sid (unstable) don't complain if things break, look here : http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html --- Ask me: <sid> and <sid evangelism> |
| 15:13.11 | karsten | samesame: There's some truth to that. |
| 15:13.11 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:13.13 | abrotman | who changed that |
| 15:13.31 | cast | Muisje: thats remarkable, typing 'add a user to a group debian' or 'add a user to a group linux' in google results in the answer to your question [typing your question into google did too but with a higher snr since it had osx and other operating systems] |
| 15:13.33 | karsten | !factinfo meaning of stable |
| 15:13.33 | dpkg | meaning of stable -- last modified at Sat Jun 23 06:00:24 2007 by Gigantic!n=Faustus@unaffiliated/gigantic; it has been requested 3 times, last by abrotman, 31s ago. |
| 15:13.35 | abrotman | that's freaking useless |
| 15:14.00 | cast | Muisje: i sir. am fucking amazed. this google, its the shit. really, i suggest you look into it |
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| 15:14.54 | Muisje | cast, i'm not going to argue with you, you know how i think about you. |
| 15:14.59 | abrotman | really .. totally useless factoid |
| 15:15.10 | karsten | abrotman: So change it. |
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| 15:15.14 | abrotman | i'm thinking! |
| 15:15.25 | karsten | abrotman: We don't have *time* for that. |
| 15:15.27 | abrotman | karsten: can you smell the fire? :) |
| 15:15.41 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, moreso as I'm in Chicago ATM. |
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| 15:16.02 | abrotman | karsten: brats! |
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| 15:17.03 | jetscreamer | use the revert factoid command |
| 15:17.14 | jetscreamer | iirc there is one |
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| 15:17.55 | watercup | Hello |
| 15:17.58 | watercup | Karsten: http://paste.uni.cc/16605 |
| 15:18.01 | Muisje | abrotman, could you ask cast really nicely to stop pmming me? |
| 15:18.12 | abrotman | Muisje: try /ignore :) |
| 15:18.21 | abrotman | cast: leave him alone |
| 15:18.30 | Muisje | If he continues i will abrotman |
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| 15:18.52 | cast | abrotman: yes father. |
| 15:19.03 | abrotman | ew |
| 15:19.04 | karsten | watercup: Can you ping 64.233.167.99 ? |
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| 15:19.09 | watercup | ok |
| 15:19.35 | watercup | it's working |
| 15:19.36 | cast | [started out as an accident, ment to pm dpkg to see what dpkg knew about groups, but ahh well] |
| 15:19.40 | watercup | karsten: it's working |
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| 15:19.50 | karsten | watercup: Seems your problem is nameservice. |
| 15:19.57 | watercup | yes indeed |
| 15:19.57 | karsten | watercup: Try pinging www.l.google.com |
| 15:20.04 | watercup | is that L or I |
| 15:20.10 | watercup | or vertical bar? |
| 15:20.12 | abrotman | karsten: no meaning of stable is <reply>"Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. |
| 15:20.16 | abrotman | karsten: better ? |
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| 15:20.25 | karsten | watercup: Your nameserver is your router/hub (192.168.1.1). It's not performing right. |
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| 15:20.29 | samesame | is fedora the only distro what uses the latest stable kernel? |
| 15:20.31 | IndridCold | hi |
| 15:20.40 | karsten | abrotman: Works for me. |
| 15:20.41 | IndridCold | is there a way to COMPLETELY remove a package with apt ? |
| 15:20.42 | abrotman | samesame: i don't think fedora does either |
| 15:20.47 | watercup | unknown host www.l.google.com |
| 15:20.49 | karsten | samesame: Off topic. |
| 15:20.51 | stew | samesame: ask ##linux |
| 15:20.54 | cast | IndridCold: purge it |
| 15:20.54 | samesame | ok |
| 15:20.55 | karsten | watercup: OK, it's nameservice. |
| 15:20.57 | abrotman | stew: does the above seem okay to you ? |
| 15:21.02 | maher | samesame: linus doesn't understand the meaning of stable kernel |
| 15:21.14 | cast | IndridCold: it might not remove everything though, some datafiles it created etc...might still exist, those are normally easy to track down |
| 15:21.19 | maher | samesame: whatever the stable distros ship is as good as it gets |
| 15:21.28 | karsten | Any public nameservers folks can mention here? |
| 15:21.28 | IndridCold | apt-get purge ? |
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| 15:21.31 | watercup | the router allows two other machines to communicate to the inet fine, and used to be the same thing for this debian box |
| 15:21.33 | test_ | anyone know something for displaying message of the Day in X like xmotd |
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| 15:21.36 | bdheeman | ! uname -r |
| 15:21.42 | cast | IndridCold: man apt-get, man aptitude |
| 15:21.49 | watercup | karsten: the router allows two other machines to communicate to the inet fine, and used to be the same thing for this debian box |
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| 15:21.55 | maher | watercup: check your dns settings |
| 15:22.05 | watercup | on debian? how ? |
| 15:22.19 | maher | watercup: less /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:22.19 | uthersde | hello, did anybody know if there are any tools for debian for "sound-to-light" things? may i have a soundinput on linein and an output on serial to the light? |
| 15:22.23 | stew | abrotman: sure. |
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| 15:22.30 | karsten | watercup: They may be using cached queries. |
| 15:22.31 | abrotman | dpkg: no meaning of stable is <reply>"Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 15:22.32 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 15:22.38 | karsten | watercup: Try resetting the router (power cycle). |
| 15:23.01 | karsten | uthersde: ?? |
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| 15:24.03 | karsten | maher: We've already checked DNS settings. http://paste.uni.cc/16605 |
| 15:24.06 | watercup | maher,karsten: can I just append DNS IP's to the resolv.conf ? |
| 15:24.11 | karsten | watercup: DNS settings == /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 15:24.25 | watercup | thank you. can I append DNS IPs to that file ? |
| 15:24.31 | karsten | watercup: Up to two. I'd put something else *before* the router, as they're tried in order, with a timeout. |
| 15:24.35 | Ch0Hag | Why would iceweasel crash on amd64 when it is fine as firefox in an (old) chroot? |
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| 15:24.42 | maher | karsten: watercup: sorry - i didn't look at the bottom of the paste |
| 15:24.49 | Ch0Hag | In sid. |
| 15:24.57 | watercup | maher: no problem. your help is greatly appreciated as is Karsten's |
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| 15:25.08 | karsten | I'd also suggest you run BIND as a caching nameserver on the Debian box, with your own specified forwarders, though you'll need to get nameservice running first to do that (well, it helps). |
| 15:25.17 | karsten | maher: NP |
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| 15:25.23 | MangosDebian | i know now what I hate large hd's :( |
| 15:25.25 | watercup | i'd rather not cache anything |
| 15:25.34 | MangosDebian | why* |
| 15:25.43 | karsten | watercup: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? |
| 15:25.47 | watercup | hehehe :) |
| 15:25.56 | karsten | watercup: Actually, I'd strongly recommend it. |
| 15:26.12 | watercup | but to install Bind and DNS i need Inet access |
| 15:26.17 | watercup | :) |
| 15:26.22 | abrotman | Ch0Hag: 1) sid 2) amd64 3) iceweasel :) |
| 15:26.26 | watercup | i can't install anything |
| 15:26.26 | watercup | now |
| 15:26.27 | karsten | watercup: You'll control forwarding, and DNS is a cache-and-forward service anyway. |
| 15:26.43 | watercup | right. but no Inet access now means no means of installing packages |
| 15:26.55 | karsten | watercup: Right, that's the catch-22. Actually, you've got IP service running (you can ping remote servers), you just don't have a DNS server you can use. |
| 15:27.04 | clacker | does the bind9 package cache by default? |
| 15:27.16 | watercup | but it used to work fine for all my machines. |
| 15:27.18 | karsten | clacker: Yeah. |
| 15:27.25 | karsten | watercup: Where are you? |
| 15:27.33 | watercup | egypt |
| 15:27.48 | karsten | Ah. |
| 15:27.48 | Ch0Hag | In other news, aptitude is gay. |
| 15:27.56 | uthersde | karsten: i want to switch on and out the light to the beat of music or so |
| 15:27.57 | karsten | tedata.net? |
| 15:27.58 | watercup | lol @ Ch0Hag |
| 15:28.02 | watercup | karsten: yes |
| 15:28.13 | stew | Ch0Hag: do not use gay as a derrogatory adjective in here. it offends some. |
| 15:28.20 | karsten | uthersde: xmms has several visualizer plugins. Try those for starters. |
| 15:28.25 | Ch0Hag | That doesn't make it less gay. |
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| 15:28.32 | karsten | uthersde: You're talking like stuff you'd see on OS X iTunes? |
| 15:28.38 | stew | Ch0Hag: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
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| 15:28.43 | Arwen | I've got some old sources that build-depend on tfdocgen, which doesn't seem to be in stable or oldstable, anyone recognize it? |
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| 15:29.20 | Ch0Hag_ | Fine, then, it's homosexual. Whatever floats your boat. |
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| 15:29.30 | karsten | watercup: echo -e "nameserver 212.103.160.18\nnameserver 212.103.160.22" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:29.32 | watercup | karsten: what about your last two questions? how are they relevant? |
| 15:29.35 | Exy | Was it the use of the word gay or insulting aptitude that did it? |
| 15:29.43 | MangosDebian | stew: too slow heh |
| 15:29.43 | karsten | watercup: ... those are tedata's nameservers. See if that fixes the problem. |
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| 15:29.51 | watercup | how do you know that ? |
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| 15:29.58 | Ronin | takes courage to troll and run though :) |
| 15:30.00 | uthersde | karsten: no os x itunes but there is a band and it will be easy if the computer change the light and no person .. |
| 15:30.15 | karsten | watercup: I looked up your IP, and checked to see if ns1.tedata.net and ns2.tedata.net exist. |
| 15:30.17 | MangosDebian | Ronin: nah, sign of a coward imho |
| 15:30.31 | Ronin | MangosDebian: guess my sarcasm button was off heh |
| 15:30.32 | karsten | uthersde: xmms + plugins IMO. |
| 15:30.38 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 15:30.42 | watercup | Karsten: may I bring you breakfasts in bed from now on ? |
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| 15:31.17 | watercup | Karsten: you're entitled to free foot and neck massages from me any time you want |
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| 15:31.47 | Arwen | lol |
| 15:31.52 | IndridCold | I keep getting Fatal: error processing configuration file '/etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf' |
| 15:31.53 | beardy | Heh. |
| 15:31.57 | IndridCold | it's driving me nuts |
| 15:31.59 | IndridCold | :( |
| 15:31.59 | Arwen | he's got a lot of hostnames o.O |
| 15:32.00 | karsten | watercup: I'm a dude, but sure, if that floats your boat ;-) |
| 15:32.05 | beardy | IndridCold: Fix it. |
| 15:32.12 | karsten | watercup: Coolio. |
| 15:32.42 | IndridCold | Any ideas? the file exists, permissions are fine |
| 15:32.51 | karsten | watercup: Caching DNS server setup, from ubuntu, but should apply: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/dns-server-setup-using-bind-in-ubuntu.html |
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| 15:33.02 | MangosDebian | so, does the "erase data" on lvm encrypted partition zero it or random it? |
| 15:33.15 | bdheeman | *blink*, *blink* |
| 15:33.16 | karsten | bbiaf |
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| 15:33.51 | beardy | IndridCold: You could put it in a pastebin, and tell the channel the link to it, so someone could have a look, if they wanted. |
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| 15:34.28 | cast | MangosDebian: dunno, might be a combination. start it, cancel it, then look :). i think its a single sweep so random would be preferable |
| 15:34.29 | beardy | IndridCold: Because with no more intelligent error messages, it's not easy to say. |
| 15:34.44 | IndridCold | beardy: God bless you. |
| 15:35.06 | watercup | karsten: thanks a lot for your help |
| 15:35.20 | cast | MangosDebian: people argue that random is preferable if you're going to put an encrypted partition over the top, makes it more difficult to tell how much space is used, sizes of files etc... |
| 15:35.27 | MangosDebian | cast: i was figuring its random, only makes sense. just sucks when you do a few hundred gig :( was bad enough i spend 2hours secure erasing the drive already |
| 15:35.58 | watercup | karsten: sorry I was confused by the nick. thanks a lot indeed. |
| 15:36.01 | Enverex | Is there any way to get Gnome's panel to NOT screw up each time your screenmode changes? |
| 15:36.02 | beardy | Secure means sledgehammer/axe, gasoline and a match. |
| 15:36.05 | cast | MangosDebian: indeed. which is why i suggest just using manual partitioning and setting it up yourself |
| 15:36.07 | MangosDebian | cast: well ya, zero's in encrypted partition is dumb since it makes it easier to break i would guess |
| 15:36.07 | watercup | but it used to work with the 192.168.1.1 IP before? |
| 15:36.38 | MangosDebian | cast: well, i did a test 2gig install and played around. just a nightmare to make new lvm's with encryption |
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| 15:37.38 | cast | MangosDebian: lvms as in lvs, pvs? what? don't you just make the pv ontop of /dev/mapper/encrypted, is easy :P |
| 15:37.50 | MangosDebian | beardy: nah, ata secure erase fine |
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| 15:39.16 | uthersde | karsten: which plugin can send informations to serial or so? |
| 15:39.27 | MangosDebian | cast: well, what i did was just lvm the remaining space as hda6, then i can make new lv's just fine, but in order to encrypt I have to create a lv, then cryptsetup luksFormat that lv, then create a new pv using the encrypted lv, then make a new volume out of that .... and then i gotta vgscan and a whole bunch of junk |
| 15:40.05 | MangosDebian | cast: i was debating just inserting the new encrypted lv into the existing d-i created lv, but then reinstall is a pain if I wanna preserve the data |
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| 15:41.11 | cast | MangosDebian: wait, sounds like you're creating to many layers |
| 15:41.27 | MangosDebian | cast: ya, but that seems the way it needs to be done if I wish to make a seperate volume group |
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| 15:42.00 | cast | MangosDebian: imho you should either go partition->cryptsetup->pv->vg->lv->fs, or partition->pv->vg->lv->cryptsetup->fs |
| 15:42.08 | cast | oh. |
| 15:42.14 | artagnon | There's this nice ncurses tool to install and remove initscripts... what's it called again? |
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| 15:42.26 | MangosDebian | artagnon: sysv-rc-conf? |
| 15:43.45 | artagnon | MangosDebian: yeah, that's the one! Thanks ;) |
| 15:43.46 | MangosDebian | cast: i considered that. but the idea is that some stuff I would like unencrypted like my debian iso's which dont need it. So i figured lvm be nice since I could make lv's as needed and choose encryption for those I choose on a case by case basis |
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| 15:43.52 | MangosDebian | artagnon: np |
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| 15:45.16 | MangosDebian | originally i was doing cryptsetup luksFormat on the lv's, but then i cant seem to mkfs since mkfs on the new /dev/mapper/<name> just formats the lv and undoes luks |
| 15:45.37 | MangosDebian | so if anyone knows what im doing wrong, please, speak up :/ |
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| 15:46.38 | MangosDebian | oh well, i got all day to play with this stupid thing heh |
| 15:47.33 | cast | umm |
| 15:47.35 | Mount | Are there alternatives for Campcaster (Radio Broadcasting Software) for Linux/Debian? |
| 15:47.56 | cast | you luksFormat the lv, then luksOpen it, where you specify the $name, then mkfs /dev/mapper/$name |
| 15:48.00 | cast | which will be different to the lv name |
| 15:48.08 | cast | unless you want things to assplode in a clash |
| 15:48.14 | watercup | karsten: I lost internet access again |
| 15:48.15 | karsten | watercup: NP. |
| 15:48.38 | MangosDebian | cast: ahh, maybe i would missing the luksOpen. never considered that. makes sense |
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| 15:48.55 | cast | thats the key part, that sets up the mapping |
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| 15:49.03 | IndridCold | how can I restart inetd in debian ? |
| 15:49.11 | watercup | karsten: resolv.conf changed its contents by itself |
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| 15:49.18 | cast | IndridCold: /etc/init.d/service-name-here restart |
| 15:49.19 | abrotman | kill -1 <processid> |
| 15:49.19 | watercup | what makes it do so ? |
| 15:49.21 | MangosDebian | ya i know that too lol. just wasnt thinking. kinda figured i had too many layers |
| 15:49.27 | mith | what's the quick simple equivilant ot redhat-config-window-manager on debian that will just spit out the default .Xsession* files in my home dir? |
| 15:49.31 | stoned | I need to design a few flyers, what software would I use? |
| 15:49.37 | Mount | GIMP? |
| 15:49.42 | MangosDebian | stoned: html :) |
| 15:49.43 | mith | stoned: illustrator |
| 15:49.43 | thnee | what am i actually supposed to set my JAVA_HOME to? i cant find any folder that is named something with jdk.. |
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| 15:49.54 | abrotman | mith: update-alternatives .. i htink is what you want |
| 15:49.58 | mith | thnee: whereever you installed the jdk |
| 15:50.06 | IndridCold | uh |
| 15:50.07 | IndridCold | no |
| 15:50.11 | thnee | mith: well where is it installed then? |
| 15:50.11 | cast | stoned: i'd go gimp, too, or a vector graphics package if the high res picture is killing your comp |
| 15:50.14 | stoned | is it an open format? |
| 15:50.21 | mith | thnee: whereever you installed it |
| 15:50.23 | thnee | mith: i installed sun-java5-jdk |
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| 15:50.30 | thnee | mith: i never chose a path |
| 15:50.34 | P4 | Hi |
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| 15:50.49 | mith | thnee: oh i didn't even know debian had a sun java package now, most people install from sun's tar file |
| 15:50.52 | mith | thnee: look in /usr/java* |
| 15:50.55 | mith | it's there somewhere |
| 15:51.01 | thnee | it isnt |
| 15:51.02 | spheard | how fast should I be getting transfer to this new 400GB usb drive that I have? |
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| 15:51.15 | mith | thnee: then dpkg -L sun-java5-jdk; and see where it is |
| 15:51.31 | Mount | I thought the max of USB 2.0 was 480 mbits |
| 15:51.36 | Mount | per second |
| 15:51.39 | cast | stoned: is this sata or usb? |
| 15:51.48 | plb | my mind has gone blank, does anyone remember the command to time the execution of another command |
| 15:51.52 | Mount | cast: 400GB usb drive |
| 15:51.55 | cast | stoned: i would guess 25mb/s if its usb D: |
| 15:51.58 | MangosDebian | cast: since you seem to be experienced, curious, is ext3 frowned on with encryption? I cant see how it would be since the journal is encrypted too. seems silly to go with ext2 as i had originally |
| 15:52.00 | Enverex | Mount, That's theoretical and it's burst, so it wont be anywhere near |
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| 15:52.06 | P4 | plb: at or cron |
| 15:52.07 | Mount | True... |
| 15:52.11 | mith | abrotman: i'm wanting to add xscreensaver to startup before window maker is my end goal, is there some other debian way of doing this? update-alternatives will just change the default wm symlink wont it? |
| 15:52.20 | MangosDebian | plb: time <command>? |
| 15:52.24 | plb | no... I mean measure the time |
| 15:52.27 | thnee | mith: it looks like its in /usr/lib/jvm but tomcat doesnt start anyway |
| 15:52.28 | karsten | mith: ~/.xsession |
| 15:52.35 | plb | duh :-P thanks MangosDebian |
| 15:52.41 | karsten | mith: .. and select "default" for your X session |
| 15:52.42 | cast | my 250gb sata drive, which will get 70mb/s when plugged into a computer only gets 25mb/s with a sata2usb2 connector |
| 15:52.42 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 15:53.06 | ShaneN | What would cause apt-get to want to remove several critical packages when running apt-get -f install? |
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| 15:53.20 | kamui | etch -> unstable would basically entail editing sources.list and replacing all instances of etch with unstable, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:53.39 | mith | karsten: so creating an empty .Xsession and telling gdm to use the default will dump what it's currently running into that file? (I don't want to lose the automagical ssh-agent that gets started and such |
| 15:53.44 | kamui | or am I missing something important in there |
| 15:53.45 | karsten | mith: http://paste.debian.net/31914 |
| 15:54.04 | karsten | mith: ... is my .xsession |
| 15:54.21 | cast | MangosDebian: nah, itll be fine. LRW is a nicer encryption mode i believe, but failing that use essiv-cbc. i use XFS||reiserfs fwiw |
| 15:54.30 | karsten | mith: Well, an empty .xsession will result in a very brief, feature-free X session ;-) |
| 15:54.34 | mith | ya I know how .xsession works, i was just wanting to have whatever it's already running there spit out for me automagically, I guess i'll just re-do it :P |
| 15:54.35 | plb | ShaneN: if one of the packages being replaced by an update is a mismatched version, or if a prereq was marked for removal... probably a few more things too |
| 15:54.50 | karsten | mith: OK. |
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| 15:55.06 | cast | MangosDebian: just becareful of things like swap, /tmp, updatedb indexing, etc.. |
| 15:55.51 | MangosDebian | cast: well, im setting the fdisk as we speak, but the whole install and swap gonna be in the crypted lvm |
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| 15:56.11 | plb | ShaneN: personally, and I know there is different opinions, I use aptitude so it will warn me when I am about to do something stupid like mark libc6 for removal |
| 15:56.12 | spheard | Im getting 4.4mb/s at the moment, can I speed this up at all? |
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| 15:58.29 | mith | karsten: looks like all I need to keep it working how it does now is /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/bin/wmaker ... |
| 15:58.37 | mith | guess it wasn't doing as much automagical stuff as I thought |
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| 15:58.59 | karsten | mith: OK. |
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| 15:59.33 | karsten | So, this is a recently installed system, I attempted to bring over a packagelist from my prior laptop. Lots of dpkg errors: http://paste.debian.net/31915 |
| 16:00.08 | karsten | Suggestions? |
| 16:00.25 | mith | did you try and install them directly with dpkg instead of passing the list to apt-get/aptitude? because that's what that output looks like |
| 16:00.35 | ShaneN | plb: How would you go about fixing it? |
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| 16:01.50 | ShaneN | plb: Nevermind, it looks like aptitude is much smarter than apt :) |
| 16:01.57 | plb | ShaneN: yep :-P |
| 16:02.06 | merc_work | i just did a dist-upgrade and now ssh wont allow me to login - im assuming the config file changed something that requires me to use more than just a password, anyone familiar with this? |
| 16:02.38 | karsten | mith: That's dpkg --configure --pending output |
| 16:02.46 | cast | merc_work: can you get in at all? |
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| 16:03.03 | karsten | mith: I've attempted w/ aptitude several times. Looks as if texlive-common assumes a directory. |
| 16:03.06 | plb | ShaneN: aptitude will give you some resolutions... but sometimes just finding the package that was marked for removal or the mismatched version and setting it to install or hold depending on what the problem is.. will be sufficient |
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| 16:03.46 | assasukasse | hi everyone i have a problem with vnc and networking that i can't address, someone can help? |
| 16:03.56 | ShaneN | plb: It doesn't want to remove libc6, build-essentials, apache, xserver-xorg, and a few other semi-important packages, so good enough for me :) |
| 16:04.06 | assasukasse | in short, i have to make a reverse ssh tunnel to connect to a remote machine behind a nat |
| 16:04.16 | assasukasse | and this does work |
| 16:04.28 | assasukasse | i can access the machine with no problems |
| 16:04.32 | mith | karsten: you're going to need to sort through that and figure out which package is fucked and do what plb said to shane, basically |
| 16:04.36 | assasukasse | but when i try to access with vnc everything hangs |
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| 16:05.39 | MangosDebian | assasukasse: well, that explains the power surge I had earlier.... :) |
| 16:05.40 | karsten | mith: Yeah. Looks like there's an upgrade script that's assumed to exist but doesn't for texlive-common. I've just touched it and chmod +x'd it. |
| 16:05.53 | karsten | mith: ... that seems to have hung up a lot of stuff. |
| 16:05.53 | assasukasse | lol |
| 16:06.04 | MangosDebian | plb: make a new toy story movie for us prolly :) |
| 16:06.07 | plb | ..armageddon? |
| 16:06.10 | Adriano | plb: there's always Cars |
| 16:06.33 | plb | heh |
| 16:06.33 | karsten | plb: By that point, SPI will have bought out Pixar and we can commission more. |
| 16:06.33 | plb | maybe we shouldn't depend on Steve Jobs ;-) |
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| 16:06.42 | mith | karsten: ya sounds like you installed some transitional package on accident, was the laptop upgraded from sarge at some point? :P |
| 16:06.45 | assasukasse | how can i run a file as a particolar user? |
| 16:06.53 | karsten | mith: This one was, yeah. |
| 16:06.54 | tvynr | assasukasse: su |
| 16:06.59 | assasukasse | as root |
| 16:07.00 | mith | karsten: mystery solved :P |
| 16:07.04 | assasukasse | and as another user? |
| 16:07.06 | karsten | mith: OK, seems to be progressing, that may have been the one hangup. |
| 16:07.17 | tvynr | assasukasse: su <username> ... |
| 16:07.23 | tvynr | assasukasse: man su :) |
| 16:07.28 | mith | now wtf isn't gdm looking at my .xsession |
| 16:07.30 | mith | rawr! |
| 16:07.34 | assasukasse | tvynr: thanks, |
| 16:07.40 | tvynr | assasukasse: np :) |
| 16:07.44 | karsten | mith: this laptop == sarge install, upgrade, then switched to lenny, upgrade, and snarfed in my prior packagelist. |
| 16:07.59 | Adriano | mith: isn't it .XSession? |
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| 16:08.16 | assasukasse | tvynr: can i make a script with it? in order to launch my tunnel? something like gksu username script |
| 16:08.37 | karsten | mith: The great thing w/ Debian is that you can have an f-ed up system that still works pretty darned well. |
| 16:08.37 | tvynr | Is there a way I can run apt-get in such a way that all of the packages it installs use defaults for configuration? I have an apt-get install running out of a script, so it has to proceed without any user input. |
| 16:09.02 | karsten | tvynr: Yeah, dpkg-reconfigure debconf, I think. |
| 16:09.19 | merc_work | cast: sorry, duty called... no i cant get in at all, luckily im still logged in from when i did the dist-upgrade |
| 16:09.32 | tvynr | assasukasse: Well, gksu allows the program to use the GUI. But yeah, you can just run "su someuser -c command" |
| 16:09.44 | mith | Adriano: .Xsession or .xsession should both work afaik |
| 16:09.57 | mith | Adriano: I had .Xsession symlinked to .xsession though just in case |
| 16:10.04 | cast | merc_work: check the logs to see why it didn't let you login |
| 16:10.19 | plb | Debian: no worse than WindowsXP at its best? |
| 16:10.21 | assasukasse | tvynr: the problem is that if the ssh tunnel goes down i have to ask some "windows" user to put it up...i already use autossh but still goes down from time to time. so i just ask him to click on something on the desktop and put a password |
| 16:10.28 | merc_work | im thinking of changing the "passwordAuthentication" setting to "yes" but, above it it says "change to yes to enable tunneled clear text passwords" which just doesnt sound nice. |
| 16:10.31 | assasukasse | asking more is already too much |
| 16:10.44 | epsilon | how can I conpare 2 files if they have same content or not, with true/false as return value (for usage with bash's if)? |
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| 16:10.50 | epsilon | *compare |
| 16:10.58 | mith | merc_work: do that in pam not in ssh |
| 16:11.00 | assasukasse | merc_work: i use always rsa key |
| 16:11.00 | mith | the end |
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| 16:11.19 | assasukasse | and also fail2ban |
| 16:11.31 | Adriano | epsilon: diff? |
| 16:11.38 | merc_work | ah, maybe its a pam thing |
| 16:11.50 | mith | oh goddamn it |
| 16:12.05 | mith | it read my .xsession just fine, i had an extra dash on the -no-splash option to xscreensaver :P |
| 16:12.07 | epsilon | Adriano: can't find any option make diff to return true/false :/ |
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| 16:13.06 | merc_work | nothing comes up in auth.log -- is there another place to check? |
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| 16:13.12 | Adriano | epsilon: diff -s? |
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| 16:13.43 | epsilon | oh |
| 16:14.37 | epsilon | na, doesn't work |
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| 16:14.56 | mith | oh i need to set it to use 'default session' in gdm that's what's going on |
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| 16:16.54 | merc_work | i try to ssh in and it lets me enter my username, then it displays the banner -- and it boots me, putty gives me the error "no more authentication modules" |
| 16:17.30 | cast | merc_work: i think you want tunneled cleartest passwds set to yes to login via passwd, i think anyway |
| 16:17.33 | merc_work | sorry.."disconnected: no supported authentication methods available" |
| 16:17.35 | tvynr | karsten: Yep, it's a debconf setting. Heh... sadly, I'm not seeing an easy way of changing debconf to non-interactive in a non-interactive way. :-P Any idea how I can fiddle with the debconf values short of directly manipulating /var/cache/debconf/config.dat? |
| 16:17.45 | merc_work | ill try it |
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| 16:17.56 | merc_work | but, tunneled clear text -- those are still encrypted in the ssh tunnel i'd assume? |
| 16:18.03 | Chrom_ | hi all |
| 16:18.12 | karsten | tvynr: dpkg-reconfigure debconf should do that on the system now. Otherwise, if you're doing mass installs, look at FAI. |
| 16:18.18 | mith | hmm, how do i get shit using ssh-askpass properly |
| 16:18.18 | karsten | tvynr: What are you trying to do? |
| 16:18.31 | karsten | merc_work: ssh -vvv user@remotehost |
| 16:18.37 | cast | merc_work: that is my understanding of it, but let me have a look at the openssh-server defaults |
| 16:18.40 | mith | i have the environment variable set but ssh-add /path/to/key isn't popping up the x dialog (it's installed) |
| 16:18.55 | karsten | merc_work: ... and if you can look at logs on the remote side, check ssh in /var/log/messages, /var/log/daemon.log, and /var/log/auth.log |
| 16:19.06 | karsten | merc_work: ... also try running sshd in non-daemon mode, verbose. |
| 16:19.17 | slack101 | i will attempt to COMPILE my kernel again |
| 16:19.28 | merc_work | changing the clear tunneled passwords options fixed it |
| 16:20.00 | tvynr | karsten: I'm working on a LiveCD project's build script. (I'm caching /var/cache/apt locally to speed things up and not be a nuisance to the mirrors.) Since the LiveCD is based on Etch, the script creates an Etch fakeroot first and then starts installing other packages. Some of those packages are prompting for information and messing with the script, so I'm trying to figure out a way to tell debconf I want it to be noninteractive from within |
| 16:20.00 | tvynr | the script itself. |
| 16:20.00 | merc_work | working with ssh when the server is a few miles away is..well i dont like it much. |
| 16:20.01 | karsten | hrm, one last unconfigure package, usplash: No alternatives for usplash-artwork.so. |
| 16:20.21 | tvynr | karsten: FAI? |
| 16:20.34 | merc_work | there was a package i was looking at...fail2ban, anyone use it? |
| 16:20.34 | karsten | tvynr: Gotchya. preseed and/or FAI are your friends, I think. |
| 16:20.34 | cast | merc_work: ahh the default is yes so it'll be safe :) |
| 16:20.37 | karsten | !fai |
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| 16:20.37 | dpkg | from memory, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 16:20.41 | merc_work | cast: thanks :) |
| 16:20.51 | tvynr | karsten: Ah. Oh my. Thanks. |
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| 16:21.15 | karsten | tvynr: Heard of it, haven't used it, similar idea to RH's kickstart |
| 16:21.32 | cast | merc_work: start using keys though ;) password authention is so last millenium |
| 16:21.48 | Sev | in screen, when I press backspace... it activates the visual bell instead of backspacing.. how do I fix that? |
| 16:22.12 | merc_work | cast: i use keys on computers that are just mine, this PC is works :) |
| 16:22.17 | MangosDebian | Sev: ctrl-a h |
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| 16:22.38 | Chrom_ | guys, does anyone know how come John the ripper is not anymore in the stable repos? |
| 16:22.44 | karsten | Sev: stty |
| 16:22.58 | karsten | Chrom_: It's not? |
| 16:23.09 | Chrom_ | it's not... |
| 16:23.10 | tvynr | karsten: Looks as if it's meant to run on an actual machine, though? The build script is constructing a root filesystem for a LiveCD. FAI has the general idea but is targeted to a different purpose, I think. |
| 16:23.17 | cast | Chrom_: its not in amd64, isn't it in i386? |
| 16:23.17 | MangosDebian | karsten: i dont think screen uses that for visual bell actually |
| 16:23.31 | Chrom_ | no cast, it's not |
| 16:23.45 | karsten | What's the URL for why stuff isn't in Debian anymore? |
| 16:23.46 | Chrom_ | check it out yourself |
| 16:23.49 | cast | Chrom_: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=john&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all hmm, right |
| 16:23.50 | karsten | Chrom_: Check BTS. |
| 16:23.52 | karsten | Chrom_: I am. |
| 16:24.06 | tvynr | karsten: For my purposes, I might just embed a patch for /var/cache/debconf/config.dat into the script. I was kind of hoping, though, that I could call debconf with a set of parameters to tweak its settings. |
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| 16:24.22 | cast | 3 policy violations! |
| 16:24.27 | karsten | Chrom_: Looks like outstanding policy violations. |
| 16:24.30 | tvynr | karsten: Thanks for the link, though; I'll have to keep my eyes on that for other purposes. |
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| 16:24.39 | cast | uh, s/policy/serious |
| 16:24.51 | Sev | karmatronic, what? |
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| 16:25.11 | Chrom_ | karsten: which policies? |
| 16:25.12 | karsten | Chrom_: 5 of 'em. |
| 16:25.26 | karsten | Chrom_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=john;dist=stable |
| 16:25.32 | karsten | Chrom_: Check it yourself ;-) |
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| 16:25.38 | Chrom_ | checking :) |
| 16:25.39 | kamui | is there a groupwise client that works in debian? |
| 16:25.47 | karsten | Chrom_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=john;dist=stable#_5_2_5 |
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| 16:26.26 | karsten | Chrom_: There's a version in oldstable you might be able to install. Or check backports. |
| 16:26.44 | Chrom_ | OMG :) |
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| 16:27.43 | Chrom_ | so I guess we'll have to wait 3 or 4 years before we get it again in stable |
| 16:28.04 | mith | ok seriously, why isn't ssh-askpass working for me in etch? |
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| 16:29.07 | plb | Chrom_ john is really simple to compile and run in a subdirectory of a user's home... why do you need it installed as a package? |
| 16:29.08 | Sev | karsten: I'm not sure how to apply your answer ... sounds like a device name. |
| 16:29.39 | plb | Chrom_: personally I'd rather just have it in /root nice and safe from prying eyes |
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| 16:30.04 | Chrom_ | plb: I already compiled it from sources of course. I was just wondering how come it was kicked out of stable |
| 16:30.20 | mith | added SSH_ASKPASS to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/*ssh* to make sure it was set before gdm executes it .. and it only gives me a prompt in the terminal not the askpass X window |
| 16:30.26 | Chrom_ | but I liked the debian config file |
| 16:30.40 | karsten | Sev: ?? |
| 16:30.47 | Chrom_ | that's why I was looking for the .deb |
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| 16:31.14 | plb | Chrom_: www.apt-get.org? |
| 16:31.15 | nvz | man I never had a pc piss me off the way this one is right now.. its got some really hard to diagnose hardware problem it seems fails routinely right before the partitioning step starts first by doing FD0 i/o errors as the cdrom seems to stop functioning then just seems to go into sleep mode. green light on the front turns yellow, internal fans go off, but HD motor keeps running and screen goes black |
| 16:31.17 | jason^ | is there a reason to be running rpc.statd? |
| 16:31.39 | karsten | Sev: stty == set tty. man stty. You want to remap your backspace key. Is the session you're having issues with Debian or another Linux / 'Nix? |
| 16:31.48 | karsten | jason^: NFS |
| 16:31.58 | nvz | I have it sitting at the BIOS Hardware monitor screen right now observing temp and fan readings to see if it dies sitting here doing nothing |
| 16:32.04 | jason^ | but if i don't use nfs, i don't need it? |
| 16:32.15 | Sev | karsten: debian |
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| 16:32.42 | pickcoder | nvz: disable the FD |
| 16:32.55 | karsten | Sev: Odd. Anyhow: stty ^H backspace |
| 16:32.56 | plb | Chrom_:http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/john |
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| 16:33.06 | nvz | pickcoder: the FD? you meen the floppy drive? |
| 16:33.11 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 16:33.13 | plb | Chrom_: about half way down is a link to the deb |
| 16:33.14 | karsten | Sev: ... that's a literal '^' and 'H', not <Ctrl>-H. Should fix it. |
| 16:33.21 | Chrom_ | plb: yes it's in unstable |
| 16:33.25 | pickcoder | I have faulty floppy drives do some weird things before |
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| 16:33.36 | nvz | pickcoder: I had the fd unhooked |
| 16:33.37 | karsten | pickcoder: Flop? |
| 16:33.47 | nvz | pickcoder: but not disabled in the BIOS |
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| 16:33.49 | pickcoder | nvz: yeah but was it disabled in BIOS |
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| 16:34.00 | nvz | pickcoder: nope :P |
| 16:34.15 | nvz | karsten: heh |
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| 16:34.21 | plb | Chrom_: so you're looking for a stable deb for a package not in stable? |
| 16:34.47 | Chrom_ | plb: no I was looking for a stable package in stable. but there's no stable package for john |
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| 16:34.58 | Chrom_ | because of the 5 bugs, it seems |
| 16:34.58 | Sev | karsten: stty thinks ^H is an invalid argument ;p |
| 16:35.06 | Chrom_ | I'm running stable and I don't wanna miz |
| 16:35.07 | Chrom_ | mix |
| 16:35.14 | karsten | Sev: Try ^h then |
| 16:35.14 | fasta | With a kernel upgrade to 2.6.21 my sound stopped working |
| 16:35.19 | karsten | Sev: or RTFM |
| 16:35.22 | fasta | Is this a known issue? |
| 16:35.29 | karsten | mith: OK, all packages now configured. |
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| 16:35.38 | Sev | karsten, which manual would that be... the friendly one.... the fucking one? |
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| 16:35.48 | karsten | mith: System update, install reportbug, and I can report the issues.... |
| 16:35.51 | karsten | Sev: stty |
| 16:35.57 | Sev | I was making a joke |
| 16:35.58 | tech13 | My iceweasel and firefox don't quite at the same. on some pages that have the same image over and over, IW requests the image each time it appears. FF just requests it once. both are 2.0.0.4. Is this just a "feature" of IW, or just a bad setting? |
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| 16:36.28 | karsten | Sev: Hrm. That manpage is less than helpful. |
| 16:36.30 | mith | karsten: cool now help me figure out why ssh-askpass refuses to work when adding things with ssh-add or when using ssh to login to a machine that prompts for a password :P |
| 16:36.32 | nvz | pickcoder: I've gone through considering everything from ram trouble to, PSU, to heat issues.. I was originally called out cause the damn thing was "shutting off" but its definatly not shutting off.. its going into sleep mode from what I gather and not waking up. if there is a HD present the light goes yellow from green and the fans shut off, but the hd stays on.. but with no HD the light turns off and the machine appears to be off but wont pow |
| 16:36.41 | mith | karsten: is SSH_ASKPASS not the right env variable? |
| 16:36.43 | Sev | karsten, eh, not entirely.. fixed it |
| 16:36.46 | Sev | stty erase ^H |
| 16:36.47 | pickcoder | I was told a story of an office manager who attached backup tapes to a metal filing cabinet with magnets. A catastropic disk failure brought that bad behaviour to everyones attention. |
| 16:36.49 | Sev | \o/ |
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| 16:36.50 | karsten | mith: Heh. When you figure *that* one out, tell me. |
| 16:36.58 | karsten | Sev: Right. |
| 16:37.01 | mith | i just want askpass goddamn it |
| 16:37.05 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.15 | karsten | /\ |
| 16:37.28 | karsten | Hrm.... |
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| 16:37.56 | karsten | \o/ |
| 16:37.56 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.57 | karsten | / \ |
| 16:38.30 | Sev | heh |
| 16:38.32 | pickcoder | nvz: is there a nic in there that has wake-on enabled? |
| 16:38.34 | nvz | so far the cpu fan speed is bouncing between 2700-2750rpm and the system fan speed is bouncing beteen 2146-2165rpm, and the CPU temp climbed from 30degC to 32degC and is now bouncing between 32-33 |
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| 16:39.00 | nvz | pickcoder: its onboard nic and probably has WOL but afaik its not enabled.. I can check since I'm in the BIOS right now |
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| 16:39.51 | pickcoder | you're going to have to strip it down and troubleshoot from the ground up |
| 16:39.58 | neil- | hey all |
| 16:40.02 | pickcoder | I bet a BIOS upgrade may help |
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| 16:40.15 | neil- | Im trying to use the nvidia .run installer, how can I get to a fully functioning runlevel, but without x? |
| 16:40.23 | neil- | level 1 misses stuff I need, but the rest have x.. |
| 16:40.40 | Turms | does anyone know when claws-mail will enter into lenny? |
| 16:40.59 | nvz | pickcoder: yeah doesnt say anything about WOL |
| 16:41.04 | jelly | !why is claws-mail not in testing |
| 16:41.04 | dpkg | claws-mail is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=claws-mail |
| 16:41.37 | jelly | Turms: the link above might provide some information. |
| 16:41.39 | neil- | Anyone? I need to get into a terminal only session without x, to install the new nvidia binaries, but 1 is no good... |
| 16:41.42 | neil- | too many things disabled |
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| 16:42.20 | nvz | pickcoder: this system is like 6 years old.. been running XP basically non-stop they usually leave it on all the time, and it was on an APC UPS problems just started yesturday with it going to sleep w/o being told to |
| 16:42.54 | unsolo | Hello, I have a firewall running debian sarge.. and i seem to be having a problems with the ip telefone switch located in the NAT, People can call in but not out.. |
| 16:43.00 | nvz | pickcoder: I've been monitoring acpi status and events while running D-I and seen nothing telling it to shut down |
| 16:43.09 | unsolo | any ideas anyone ? |
| 16:43.13 | pickcoder | nvz: I'd start with a battery swap and clear the CMOS |
| 16:43.22 | nvz | pickcoder: all the fans seem to work and it doesnt seem to be having heat issues |
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| 16:44.36 | pickcoder | nvz: hrm.. did you check the power/suspend button, wire, and connector? |
| 16:44.50 | mith | karsten: if stdin is a terminal it wont run ssh_askpass ... so </dev/null or add things to the agent in .xsession before you have a pseudo terminal |
| 16:44.54 | Turms | jelly: thanks |
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| 16:45.12 | jelly | neil-: hmm, edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager contents to "/bin/false", then go back to a normal runlevel, set things up, then put back whatever was in it before |
| 16:45.17 | nvz | pickcoder: ram checked out with memtest, and it seems like it can run for hours sitting here at BIOS, or I had it running Gparted live cd yesturday for like two hours making room for debian.. but it routinely dies when it starts loading the partitioner in d-i |
| 16:45.20 | karsten | mith: Hrm. |
| 16:45.29 | nvz | pickcoder: I don' |
| 16:45.32 | neil- | jelly: Thanks :) |
| 16:45.39 | nvz | pickcoder: I don't even know if it has a damn skleep button |
| 16:45.40 | karsten | mith: How do you feed that to ssh-add? |
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| 16:46.04 | kamui | upgradated to unstable, lost sound, mixer says gstreamer plugins missing, but alsaconfig found my soundcard fine |
| 16:46.05 | jelly | neil-: I haven't tried it so it might not work as expected O:-) |
| 16:46.12 | MangosDebian | nvz: perhaps expert mode, start the ssh remote up first, tail a log and process to partition? |
| 16:46.17 | nvz | pickcoder: and its not explaining why I can do certain things to regenerate the error every time |
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| 16:46.29 | pickcoder | if it always fails at parted then it must be controller or drive related |
| 16:46.34 | mith | karsten: you set the environment variable SSH_ASKPASS to the path to the program, then make sure the variable is exported, then run ssh-add .. if you're doing it from .xsession you don't need to do anything else, it'll prompt with the window, if you're running it from a terminal you'll need to redirect stdin from /dev/null by appending </dev/null at the end of the command |
| 16:46.48 | neil- | jelly: I'll let you know if it works, hehe |
| 16:46.53 | karsten | mith: Ah... |
| 16:47.24 | nvz | pickcoder: I replaced the 128MB ram with a 256MB chip I have.. and with the 128MB it does this dying thing routinely when booting the gparted live cd and it starts to scan for patitions.. but with the 256 chip it let me completly repartition which took like 2 hours of moving the HP restore partition and NTFS xp partition |
| 16:47.32 | karsten | mith: *Gotit* |
| 16:47.35 | mith | but there doesn't appear to be a way to get it to pop up that window every time ssh runs even when it's attached to a terminal |
| 16:47.51 | mith | which is annoying because that'd make it easier to see what was prompting for the password (eg, sudo or ssh) |
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| 16:47.55 | karsten | mith: The first time you run it, it seeds ssh-agent. |
| 16:47.55 | nvz | pickcoder: I thought I had it solved when I swapped the ram until I fired up d-i and realized it dies routinely in the same spot |
| 16:48.06 | karsten | mith: Try : ssh-add -D. Then start a new SSH session. |
| 16:48.33 | karsten | mith: ... and you'll need to have SSH_ASKPASS set *prior* to launching your WM / desktop environment. |
| 16:49.06 | pickcoder | nvz: so it shuts off completely when the partition starts? |
| 16:49.12 | pickcoder | +er |
| 16:49.21 | karsten | mith: ... and simply setting SSH_ASKPASS appears to work. |
| 16:49.30 | karsten | mith: eg: export SSH_ASKPASS |
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| 16:50.31 | nvz | pickcoder: before it starts.. it says loading partitioner in the console but I never actually see it. it starts with I/O errors on FD (I thought it was referring to the fake floppy on the el-torito CD) then it goes blank like I said if I run d-i with a HD hooked up the HD motor stays on but the power light goes from green to yellow and all fans but the PSU fan stop |
| 16:50.50 | nvz | pickcoder: if there is no HD plugged in it still dies, but the light goes from green to off instead of yellow |
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| 16:52.00 | nvz | pickcoder: I'm at a loss for what to point the finger at when it runs flawlessly here at the BIOS screen or does that gparted manuever for hours yesturday with not a single issue |
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| 16:52.40 | karsten | mith: Confirm that it doesn't seem to work right. |
| 16:52.41 | nvz | pickcoder: I let it sit for like 20 minutes at the bash prompt on D-I without even selecting the keyboard layout and it died there too after like 20 min.. but it dies quicker if I go thorugh the install |
| 16:53.52 | nvz | pickcoder: I'm still not able to rule out its shutting down due to heat really.. its not heating up right now but its not doing shit either.. its just in the PhoenixBIOS setup.. |
| 16:54.35 | nvz | pickcoder: the /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ is giving me -270C for a temp reading and not fluxing much at all before it dies |
| 16:55.07 | nvz | pickcoder: but since the numbers comming out of it are illogical I can't really base anything onthat |
| 16:55.38 | valdyn | nvz: is this incidentally a k8 system? |
| 16:55.58 | nvz | the fact that the HD stays on is what makes me think its activating a sleep state and not a heat issue |
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| 16:56.27 | nvz | valdyn: its an HP 503n, has an intel i810 and Celeron 1.7Ghz |
| 16:56.46 | fasta | nvz: I didn't follow the entire discussion, but you can disable temp sensors sometimes. |
| 16:57.37 | valdyn | nvz: lm-sensors may give proper temperature values still - i just knew about a specific confluct between that and k8_temp, that's all |
| 16:57.39 | nvz | fasta: thats not an option here.. doesn't have any way to do that |
| 16:57.47 | abrotman | nvz: shoot it |
| 16:58.07 | nvz | valdyn: I doubt d-i has lm-sensors and I cant get debian installed unless of course I do it on another box |
| 16:58.24 | fasta | Initializing package states takes 4 minutes on my system. How is that possible? |
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| 16:58.34 | fasta | It's not like it's a 200MHz |
| 16:58.36 | nvz | valdyn: and without knowing the nature of this problem I don't want to risk ruining a perfectly good HD |
| 16:58.48 | valdyn | fasta: aptitude is broken on amd64 currently ( its speed is ) |
| 16:58.55 | valdyn | fasta: is that what you're using? |
| 16:58.57 | fasta | valdyn: this is x86 |
| 16:58.59 | abrotman | nvz: try a livecd |
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| 16:59.00 | \amethyst | fasta: what version of aptitude? |
| 16:59.08 | vin` | fasta: #431123 |
| 16:59.09 | \amethyst | fasta: err, or is this apt-get, too? |
| 16:59.26 | fasta | aptitude 0.4.4 compiled at Jun 29 2007 01:56:21 |
| 16:59.26 | fasta | Compiler: g++ 4.1.3 20070601 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-12) |
| 16:59.26 | fasta | NCurses version: 5.6 |
| 16:59.26 | fasta | libsigc++ version: 2.0.17 |
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| 16:59.32 | nvz | abrotman: all I got right now is memtest86, gparted, and d-i netinstall as far as bootable cds goes. |
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| 16:59.40 | fasta | How many lines did you see? |
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| 16:59.50 | \amethyst | fasta: four lines |
| 16:59.50 | valdyn | fasta: enough |
| 17:00.13 | nvz | abrotman: but yeah I was thinking I need to make another one.. I just don't have any discs on hand right this minute or a system to burn one from |
| 17:00.27 | \amethyst | fasta: The bug vin` posted is the relevant one. If you can add experimental to your sources, then do apt-get install aptitude/experimental that should fix it |
| 17:00.35 | abrotman | nvz: you spend all day chatting here or dumpster diving .. how can you not have a spare PC ? |
| 17:00.41 | valdyn | fasta: use 'dpkg -l aptitude | tail -1' instead |
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| 17:01.20 | nvz | abrotman: heh. this isn't my pc this old dude asked me to fix it for him.. he only wants something to get online and do his stocks |
| 17:01.38 | eifzon | does debian got a gnome sensor applet? to see hardware information and temp? |
| 17:01.47 | nvz | abrotman: I'm taking it as a personal challenge now that I cant figure out wtf is wrong with it |
| 17:01.49 | abrotman | nvz: what .. you couldn't find an Apple ][gs ? |
| 17:01.53 | valdyn | eifzon: yes |
| 17:01.56 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 17:02.03 | eifzon | valdyn: could you help me? |
| 17:02.12 | fasta | valdyn: while on the subject of aptitude: is there a way to force the removal of a package? |
| 17:02.27 | valdyn | fasta: force meaning what? |
| 17:02.39 | fasta | valdyn: I _know_ it won't do any harm if any pre/post removal scripts aren't run. |
| 17:02.51 | nvz | abrotman: it seems like something in the southbridge is all FUBAR I wish I had a pci IDE controller to throw in there |
| 17:02.56 | valdyn | fasta: you're trying to break dependencies? why? |
| 17:03.12 | tvynr | Anyone know where I can get an idea of what the syntax is for debconf commands? I can't seem to find an interface description anywhere. |
| 17:03.21 | valdyn | fasta: its easily possible - question is: is it the right solution.. |
| 17:03.21 | fasta | valdyn: because aptitude remove <package name> doesn't work |
| 17:03.40 | valdyn | fasta: you remove the offending postrm script |
| 17:03.44 | valdyn | fasta: you can remove the offending postrm script |
| 17:03.55 | nvz | abrotman: I've pointed fingers at everything but the Mobo and CPU so far.. mostly cause I one don't have any P4/Celeron chips to swap it out with, and its an HP so the mobo is proprietary |
| 17:03.59 | fasta | valdyn: right, but I always forget the location of that script. |
| 17:04.11 | valdyn | fasta: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>.postrm |
| 17:04.11 | \amethyst | fasta: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postrm |
| 17:04.18 | fasta | valdyn: I suppose I could make a program that does that for me. |
| 17:04.37 | \amethyst | fasta: better to figure out why it's failing and fix that |
| 17:04.43 | valdyn | fasta: umm? why? are you tring to do this repeatedly? |
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| 17:05.05 | fasta | valdyn: libghc6-<foo>-dev packages aren't stable yet. |
| 17:05.05 | karsten | I'm getting the following GPG error on aptitude / apt-get, *after* installing the 2006 and etch keys: W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signa |
| 17:05.09 | karsten | tures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 17:05.13 | \amethyst | fasta: very often the problem is just a bad path in /usr/share/doc-base/<packagename>, for example |
| 17:05.15 | eifzon | where can i get the applet? |
| 17:05.17 | karsten | apt-keys list shows that key. |
| 17:05.34 | fasta | valdyn: someone is being sloppy and that gives me problems. |
| 17:05.34 | valdyn | fasta: the 'script' would just be rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/libghc6*.postrm |
| 17:05.55 | fasta | valdyn: yes, I know. Thanks, you helped. (so, did \amethyst ) |
| 17:05.57 | valdyn | eifzon: apt-cache search gnome sensors applet |
| 17:05.58 | somian[0] | I've got a mystery :). I've atatched a I/OMagic DataStation 7-in-1 cardreader + USB external floppy drive to my Etch laptop with a SD card inserted. How can I mount it? |
| 17:05.58 | \amethyst | karsten: it lists the 07DC key specifically? |
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| 17:06.13 | nvz | oh well I'm going for a damn walk to clear my head.. gonna let this sit here to see if it'll die at the bios screen with no drives at all.. then I'll come back and try clearing the CMOS, flashing the BIOS..etc..etc |
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| 17:06.23 | karsten | Nevermind. |
| 17:06.27 | karsten | No, I'm an idiot. |
| 17:06.37 | somian[0] | Hullo karsten, how goes it. |
| 17:06.43 | eifzon | valdyn: what one do you recommend? gdesklets-data, sensors-applet or xfce4-goodies ? |
| 17:06.59 | valdyn | eifzon: didnt you want specifically a gnome applet? |
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| 17:07.33 | eifzon | valdyn: yes |
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| 17:07.50 | valdyn | eifzon: only one of those 3 fits that requirement |
| 17:08.16 | eifzon | sensors-applet ? |
| 17:08.25 | eifzon | i did download it, but dont know how to start it |
| 17:08.47 | valdyn | eifzon: rightlick on panel, select 'add to panel' |
| 17:08.48 | jelly | how to do bind mount in fstab? |
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| 17:08.58 | simonrvn | 'bind' |
| 17:09.13 | eifzon | valdyn: then+ |
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| 17:09.27 | valdyn | sigh |
| 17:09.34 | rossMoHaX | hi all! I've installed modules-squashfs, but when I try to modprobe squashfs I get error that module is not found. How to solve it? |
| 17:09.40 | valdyn | eifzon: you are presented a list of applets where you pick the right one |
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| 17:09.56 | somian[0] | Wow, ok, weird ... Etch is reporting my Sandisk cruzer U3 pendrive as a CDROM (WTF?) |
| 17:10.01 | MangosDebian | rahul! |
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| 17:10.27 | eifzon | valdyn: is it "Hardware Sensors Monitor" or? |
| 17:10.30 | jelly | simonrvn: ? |
| 17:10.35 | \amethyst | rossMoHaX: Which squashfs-modules package do you have, and what does uname -r say your kernel version is? |
| 17:10.39 | fasta | valdyn: you meant prerm, btw. |
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| 17:10.40 | valdyn | eifzon: i guess that sounds ok |
| 17:10.46 | karsten | somian[0]: Pretty good. |
| 17:10.48 | valdyn | fasta: sure, whichever suits you |
| 17:10.57 | eifzon | valdyn: i can only choose my hdd there, i want graphic card and cpu to ;S |
| 17:11.05 | rahul | fucking ass weasel |
| 17:11.10 | rahul | BADGER |
| 17:11.13 | valdyn | eifzon: that's an issue with the underlying sensor drivers |
| 17:11.19 | eifzon | ok |
| 17:11.21 | somian[0] | rahul: correct your word order? |
| 17:11.22 | rahul | MangosDebian: assbadger crashed X again :\ |
| 17:11.23 | jelly | simonrvn: If you meant to put "bind" as fstype, that doesn't work. mount: unknown filesystem type 'bind' |
| 17:11.27 | valdyn | eifzon: apt-get install lm-sensors, run the program 'sensors-detect' as root |
| 17:11.28 | simonrvn | jelly: /dev/foo /mnt/bar defaults,bind 0 0 |
| 17:11.28 | \amethyst | somian[0]: some pendrives pretend to be CDROMs so Windows will do autorun stuff on them |
| 17:11.34 | MangosDebian | rahul: lol, sorry :) |
| 17:11.39 | simonrvn | er, forgot fstype in there |
| 17:11.40 | jelly | simonrvn: ooh. |
| 17:11.47 | spheard | anyone got a link to the fstab entry I need to mount a vfat paritition? |
| 17:11.58 | valdyn | !vfatrw |
| 17:11.58 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 17:12.04 | eifzon | valdyn: done |
| 17:12.05 | rossMoHaX | uname -r 2.6.18, i586 (linux-image-2.6.18-4.486), squashfs is the same |
| 17:12.07 | somian[0] | \amethyst: That sounds plausible, do you think that especially this "U3" type is going to do that? |
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| 17:12.11 | eifzon | i said YES to everything |
| 17:12.18 | rossMoHaX | \amethyst, uname -r 2.6.18, i586 (linux-image-2.6.18-4.486), squashfs is the same |
| 17:12.20 | valdyn | eifzon: that's ok |
| 17:12.30 | valdyn | eifzon: not sure if those modules are now already loaded |
| 17:12.44 | jelly | simonrvn: thanks. I added type none for good measure and it works |
| 17:12.44 | valdyn | eifzon: run the 'sensors' program to see available data |
| 17:12.44 | simonrvn | jelly: except of course it won't be a /dev/ for the device to mount (usually) for the bind mount ;) |
| 17:12.50 | simonrvn | yeh, that works |
| 17:13.06 | eifzon | No sensors found! it said valdyn ;S |
| 17:13.09 | fasta | valdyn: my mistake, there are such scripts. |
| 17:13.10 | \amethyst | rossMoHaX: umm, so uname -r says just 2.6.18 ? |
| 17:13.16 | DevilChaos | hi folks can someone tell me what the module is that handles mountin of mass storage devices so i can restart it as its not picking up my erricson phone as i used to this has only just happened in the last few days and i cant remeber what it called? |
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| 17:13.22 | somian[0] | I'm now wondering whether I need a special application and/or kernel modules to be able to access a digicam memory card attached via USB. |
| 17:13.24 | DevilChaos | mounting |
| 17:13.24 | valdyn | eifzon: run '/etc/init.d/module-init-tools start' |
| 17:13.43 | valdyn | eifzon: all as root |
| 17:13.46 | \amethyst | rossMoHaX: if it doesn't say "2.6.18-4-486", then you're not running the kernel you think you're running |
| 17:13.53 | rossMoHaX | \amethyst, oops, my fault |
| 17:13.54 | rossMoHaX | thx |
| 17:13.56 | eifzon | valdyn: i did it |
| 17:14.03 | valdyn | eifzon: 'sensors' |
| 17:14.13 | eifzon | No sensors found! |
| 17:14.13 | eifzon | Make sure you loaded all the kernel drivers you need. |
| 17:14.13 | eifzon | Try sensors-detect to find out which these are. |
| 17:14.19 | eifzon | i did the sensors-detect |
| 17:14.41 | simonrvn | jelly: in mine i didn't know what to put for the fstype so i put the fs of the original directory's partition |
| 17:14.45 | valdyn | eifzon: did sensors-detect find stuff? did you really answer yes to the question asking about adding them to /etc/modules ? |
| 17:14.55 | eifzon | yes |
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| 17:15.42 | valdyn | eifzon: run 'grep sensors-detect /etc/modules' and paste the output |
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| 17:16.04 | eifzon | # Generated by sensors-detect on Tue Jul 3 18:37:43 2007 |
| 17:16.04 | eifzon | # Generated by sensors-detect on Tue Jul 3 18:39:35 2007 |
| 17:16.04 | eifzon | # Generated by sensors-detect on Tue Jul 3 19:15:27 2007 |
| 17:16.21 | xand | eifzon: don't paste |
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| 17:16.23 | xand | !paste |
| 17:16.23 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 17:16.41 | xand | valdyn: don't tell people to paste :P |
| 17:16.44 | simonrvn | valdyn just told him to paste.. |
| 17:16.47 | DevilChaos | etc/init.d/modules-init-tools restart didnt help me |
| 17:16.47 | valdyn | eifzon: ok, paste what comes after one such line, on a paste site, or load the listed modules manually |
| 17:17.03 | valdyn | xand: right, i didnt know he ran this program 3 times already |
| 17:17.04 | eifzon | huh? ;S |
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| 17:17.11 | tvynr | I'm trying to install sun-java5-jre in a noninteractive environment. The installation is failing because the preinst script assumes that noninteractive means you reject the DLJ. Is there a way I can script the acceptance of that license? |
| 17:17.12 | spheard | what about an NTFS partition? |
| 17:17.16 | eifzon | valdyn: i tried earier |
| 17:17.35 | spheard | !ntfs |
| 17:17.35 | dpkg | ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
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| 17:17.58 | spheard | !ntfsrw |
| 17:17.58 | dpkg | [ntfsrw] for beta-quality write support on i386, amd64 and possibly others, see <ntfs-3g>. For stable read-only support, ask me about <read-ntfs> |
| 17:18.00 | DevilChaos | 2.6.20-1-k7 is the kernal i am using just upgraded recently |
| 17:18.02 | simonrvn | tvynr: override - temporarily - the debconf setting |
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| 17:18.07 | DevilChaos | try a reboot? |
| 17:18.24 | valdyn | eifzon: read /etc/modules, tell me which modules are listed after one such line with sensors-detect in it |
| 17:18.27 | tvynr | simonrvn: Which setting? The environment needs to be noninteractive and the question is posed as "critical". |
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| 17:19.01 | eifzon | valdyn: i paste in pastebin |
| 17:19.11 | valdyn | eifzon: ok |
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| 17:19.24 | eifzon | http://www.pastebin.ca/601662 valdyn |
| 17:19.30 | simonrvn | tvynr: it's the first question debconf asks, what kind of interface to use for it (you have noninteractive, dialog, kde, gnome) |
| 17:19.30 | somian[0] | EH?! " |
| 17:19.30 | somian[0] | Server On Fire! The load upon this server is currently too high to service your request, so it has been denied in the interests of security. Please retry your request again later." !? Heh :) |
| 17:19.44 | rossMoHaX | \amethyst, I've recompiled my own kernel, only difference from default debian kernel is one module compiled built-in, not as module. does it means that any precompiled modules from debs are no more suitable for me? |
| 17:19.45 | simonrvn | tvynr: you'll need dialog |
| 17:19.49 | somian[0] | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/126 |
| 17:19.59 | valdyn | eifzon: modprobe i2c-i801; modprobe eeprom; modprobe w83627ehf |
| 17:20.38 | tvynr | simonrvn: I'm trying to install the package from a script in a non-interactive environment, though. So I need a way to get around the prompt and tell debconf or whatever that I accept the license. |
| 17:20.42 | eifzon | valdyn: as root? |
| 17:20.51 | valdyn | eifzon: yes |
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| 17:21.06 | spheard | !read-ntfs |
| 17:21.06 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 17:21.08 | valdyn | somian[0]: just like the famous parallelport message |
| 17:21.15 | tvynr | simonrvn: Short of a diff/patch, I'm not sure how to handle it. I tried using my own debconf-enabled script to set the question's value to "true", but the question itself doesn't exist until the package is in the process of installing. |
| 17:21.26 | spheard | I get unknown filesystem type when I put ntfs in my fstab |
| 17:21.29 | eifzon | FATAL: Error inserting w83627ehf (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/hwmon/w83627ehf.ko): No such device valdyn |
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| 17:21.34 | somian[0] | valdyn: I don't exactly remember that one |
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| 17:21.49 | simonrvn | tvynr: i suggest filing a bug on it after, describing what you just went through |
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| 17:22.11 | spheard | !hpfs |
| 17:22.24 | DevilChaos | ok ill come back later when its not so busy |
| 17:22.38 | tvynr | simonrvn: Any suggestions for the time being? :-P |
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| 17:22.57 | tvynr | simonrvn: I'm thinking about adding the question in myself before the package installs, but I'm not sure if that would break things. |
| 17:23.09 | valdyn | somian[0]: char/lp.c: printk(KERN_INFO "lp%d on fire\n", minor); |
| 17:23.32 | spheard | can anyone tell me how to mount an ntfs partition? I have tried dpkg's suggestion but that doesnt work, I get unknown filesystem type 'ntfs', how can I get support for it? |
| 17:23.36 | pickcoder | valdyn: heh |
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| 17:24.02 | somian[0] | I hadn't seen that before, valdyn :-) |
| 17:24.05 | pickcoder | I have never seen that one personally, but I've wanted to - just for the sake of a laugh |
| 17:24.11 | maher | spheard: do you have nts support in your kernel? |
| 17:24.24 | eifzon | valdyn: what shall i do |
| 17:24.27 | valdyn | eifzon: your sensors are seemingly not support by your current kernel, sensors-detect disagrees with the kernel |
| 17:24.31 | spheard | maher: its a standard kernel |
| 17:24.32 | tvynr | simonrvn: Ooo oo... man debconf-set-selections seems to have some good info, just for reference. :) |
| 17:24.33 | maher | spheard: try modprobe ntfs and then mount -t ntfs... |
| 17:24.37 | simonrvn | tvynr: you can set the type as an env var IIRC. see the man page (i will too) |
| 17:24.39 | somian[0] | spheard: man mount.ntfs or man mount.ntfs-3g i'd bet |
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| 17:25.07 | tvynr | simonrvn: I've already set the type. The problem is that the type I need to use (noninteractive) doesn't work with the Sun Java package. |
| 17:25.15 | eifzon | ok valdyn, can you suggest what i shall do? :) |
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| 17:25.22 | somian[0] | It's important to read the driver-specific manual for the NTFS support stuff, spheard |
| 17:25.26 | valdyn | eifzon: 'uname -r' |
| 17:25.33 | simonrvn | tvynr: yeh, and i'm saying you need to override to get it installed |
| 17:25.43 | eifzon | valdyn: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 17:25.48 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.52 | cast | somian[0]: nah, its data on a windows partition, it can't be that imporatnt! |
| 17:26.06 | tvynr | simonrvn: The problem isn't just getting it installed once. This script is going to be running in batch. I can't just temporarily set it to dialog and accept the license. |
| 17:26.07 | valdyn | eifzon: look at backports.org for a newer kernel and possibly a newer lm-sensors package |
| 17:26.16 | somian[0] | cast: ha ;) |
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| 17:26.20 | valdyn | eifzon: i dont know if that will fix it, but it might - or just ignore your sensors |
| 17:26.31 | eifzon | how do i ignore it |
| 17:26.45 | valdyn | hehe |
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| 17:27.08 | valdyn | eifzon: you do understand what 'ignore' means, do you? |
| 17:27.19 | simonrvn | tvynr: i'm pretty sure there's a way to do this more automagically, i don't know enough debconf to do that though, sorry |
| 17:27.23 | eifzon | valdyn: yes |
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| 17:27.43 | tvynr | simonrvn: Okies. Thanks for the help, though. I think debconf-set-selections might just do the trick. Testing it now; I'll let ya know. :) |
| 17:27.52 | simonrvn | cool |
| 17:28.12 | Neil- | Hi guys.. Removed /usr/bin/gdm from my x auto start thing, replaced with /bin/false, I can now boot into a terminal with everything running in order to install the nvidia binaries |
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| 17:28.20 | Neil- | However, it says cc is not in my path, and says to install gcc.. |
| 17:28.24 | Neil- | isnt this installed by default? |
| 17:28.33 | valdyn | Neil-: it isnt |
| 17:28.38 | karsten | Neil-: No |
| 17:28.40 | karsten | !installit |
| 17:28.40 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 17:28.45 | Neil- | that would explain it then :D |
| 17:28.58 | Neil- | I assumed gcc would be on by default.. |
| 17:29.06 | Neil- | is there a meta package of build tools? Or shall I just add gcc? |
| 17:29.15 | valdyn | !b-e Neil- |
| 17:29.15 | dpkg | Neil-: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 17:29.19 | karsten | Neil-: build-essential |
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| 17:29.30 | Neil- | Nice one, good response rate in here!! |
| 17:29.34 | Neil- | thanks guys, ill go try it |
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| 17:30.11 | simonrvn | oops, forgot the readline frontend =) |
| 17:30.17 | tvynr | simonrvn: It works! :-D echo "sun-java5-jre shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1 boolean true" | debconf-set-selections |
| 17:30.25 | somian[0] | I'm still coming up with _nothing_ in my search for how to access the SD digicam memory card from Etch. Any search terms to try? Suggestions? |
| 17:30.27 | simonrvn | :) |
| 17:30.54 | simonrvn | somian[0]: did you try just, you know, mounting it? ;) |
| 17:31.00 | valdyn | somian[0]: you already checked for /dev/sd* devices? |
| 17:31.15 | prower | Hello :> Hmm...kind of an off-topic question, but I'm looking to pick up a new language for developing both web sites as well as Qt prototyping...anyone have a favourite language they could suggest, Python, Perl? :> Or should I just bite the bullet and try to figure C/C++ out |
| 17:31.20 | dvs01 | i am going to give one of my home machines a network interface that will work thru one of my dedicated server's ips. whats the best way to do this? a bridge over a vpn? |
| 17:31.22 | simonrvn | tvynr: \o/ |
| 17:31.34 | valdyn | prower: python, not perl |
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| 17:32.13 | somian[0] | It appears that there's some known issues even for people with card readers built in to their laptops; there's a thread on http://debian.news-view.co.uk/topic-45895.html about it. |
| 17:32.19 | cast | prower: python is funner than perl and C/C++ |
| 17:32.22 | prower | valdyn: That seems to be the answer that I tend to get the most :> I was considering perl mostly because of cpan, I'd like the end users to have to install/maintain as few additional packages as possible |
| 17:32.40 | prower | cast: I've been going through the tutorial on the website, it's pretty good :> |
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| 17:32.52 | redduck676 | http://rafb.net/p/QorkKq34.html could use some help reinstalling libc6 |
| 17:33.24 | prower | I don't think the whitespace "issue" is even an issue really, by the time I've tabbed everything out it looks the way I wanted it to anyway :> readable |
| 17:33.26 | somian[0] | What's most troubling is the way $ dpkg stays silent about the existence of any memory / storage device when plugging-in happens. dpkg is generally the first place I go when confronted with mounting / accessing an unfamiliar device. |
| 17:33.43 | somian[0] | BAH! $ dmesg , not dpkg |
| 17:34.21 | cast | prower: its not an issue, AFAI[care] it saves redundant typing :). do read the style guidelines though, i think 4 spaces are prefered to using tabs, |
| 17:34.31 | prower | Perl I was impressed with mostly because of perldoc, it was easy after installing to just go through tutorials and learn things quickly...but reading other people's perl is terrible |
| 17:34.46 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 17:35.15 | prower | cast: Oh, didn't realize that :> Though my editor likely tabs 4 characters anyway, if I remembered to configure it properly earlier |
| 17:35.43 | allforyou | xxx porn link gogo http://xsensation.miniville.fr good movies ... :) |
| 17:35.53 | somian[0] | So what great ideas do have for me, simonrvn ? |
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| 17:36.46 | Ronin | !ops allforyou is spamming some lame arse porn in the channel |
| 17:36.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ronin complains about: allforyou is spamming some lame arse porn in the channel |
| 17:37.01 | Ronin | as opposed to good porn of course ;) |
| 17:37.05 | abrotman | Ronin: too slow! |
| 17:37.11 | Ronin | abrotman: its an age thing |
| 17:37.15 | simonrvn | meh, was about to spout off a "DIE SPAMMER SCUM!" |
| 17:37.27 | simonrvn | but the fucker left :/ |
| 17:37.32 | abrotman | Ronin: but i'm older than you! |
| 17:38.01 | cast | french porn at that. i bet they're not even shav^Uuh porn is bad. |
| 17:38.39 | Ronin | abrotman: you sure? |
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| 17:39.46 | simonrvn | somian[0]: i'm assuming you need some sort of driver to run thing, do you have it modprobed? |
| 17:40.05 | jair | If I have a qlogic fiber card installed on my debian etch 4.0 stable. where can I check the WWN of the qlogic fiber card? |
| 17:40.07 | simonrvn | dude, i'm just me, not a miracle worker |
| 17:40.16 | somian[0] | Is that the assumption I should make? I asked about that many minutes ago! |
| 17:40.17 | abrotman | Ronin: i was joking |
| 17:40.19 | xand | there there |
| 17:40.22 | simonrvn | !comfort somian[0] |
| 17:40.22 | abrotman | Ronin: i'm like 12 |
| 17:40.22 | dpkg | There, there, somian[0]. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:40.38 | somian[0] | Thanks dpkg. !botsnack |
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| 17:40.54 | simonrvn | somian[0]: haven't been following the convo... |
| 17:40.56 | smacnay | Hi, is there still a glitch installing tetex/latex or texlive/latex in "testing"? |
| 17:41.06 | TrueDD | Salut ŕ tous |
| 17:41.15 | xand | !fr |
| 17:41.15 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:41.44 | abrotman | xand: he's been doing that every day for a month .. you sohuld be used to it by now :0 |
| 17:41.56 | abrotman | smacnay: quite possibly .. |
| 17:42.10 | xand | abrotman: I'm not here as much as you ;) |
| 17:42.16 | xand | just my client is |
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| 17:42.45 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks - I think there was some strange issue with tetex-bin if I recall. |
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| 17:43.36 | simonrvn | somian[0]: my first thing to do is check for a driver, then build it if need be, from whatever source, then install it an modprobe it, and then insert your SD card ;) |
| 17:43.58 | abrotman | xand: that's bull :) |
| 17:44.02 | xand | tis not. |
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| 17:44.05 | simonrvn | i feel like an idiot saying this, since -- to me -- it's so damned obvious |
| 17:44.05 | abrotman | xand: check the debstats! |
| 17:44.09 | xand | I'm very busy with work! |
| 17:44.12 | feld | how do i tell my system i have a package installed that really isnt there |
| 17:44.13 | abrotman | i was busier! |
| 17:44.17 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 17:44.17 | dpkg | well, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 17:44.21 | xand | I'm busy with work now! |
| 17:44.32 | feld | awesome abrotman |
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| 17:44.37 | simonrvn | i'm less here than both of you combined, so QuitYerBitchin ;p |
| 17:44.43 | abrotman | xand: http://debstats.dontexist.org/ .. see .. you're 23rd! |
| 17:45.05 | somian[0] | simonrvn: indeedy, sounds good, although strange. it's a card reader attached via USB. One line of thinking says it should be making any memory cardd inserted into visible as simple usb mass storage. |
| 17:45.31 | jelly | abrotman: eh, that doesn't count for anything... I was online the whole 12-day vacation time |
| 17:45.32 | simonrvn | somian[0]: yes, my cheapie mp3 player does that |
| 17:45.45 | abrotman | jelly: yeah .. we saw you bouncing :) |
| 17:45.52 | simonrvn | well, it's cold in the winter... |
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| 17:45.56 | somian[0] | simonrvn: exactly. that's the behavior i'm used to see from all such devices. |
| 17:46.18 | xand | abrotman: hmm, someone with a similar nick to you at the top! |
| 17:46.32 | simonrvn | i just had to modprobe usb_storage and some other thing |
| 17:46.36 | jelly | abrotman: look who's [on] first! |
| 17:46.37 | abrotman | xand: yeah .. you brits spell stuff strangely .. but wols isn't anything like my nick |
| 17:47.19 | EmleyMoor | I have tried to install asterisk-web-vmail but it fails to work - it doesn't have permission to access /etc/asterisk/voicemail.conf and therefore says it's not there. Can someone advise how I make it run in such a way it does have permission? |
| 17:47.29 | jair | http://rafb.net/p/HfUR1d22.html This means that I need to find a linux special diver for this qlogic card? |
| 17:47.31 | somian[0] | I've already got a usb keydrive in and the modules for that are always automatically loaded (by the hotplug / udev / whatever system) |
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| 17:47.53 | simonrvn | EmleyMoor: group perms; does it have a group? does it run under that group? then do that |
| 17:47.58 | jair | or should I try to boot from another kernel |
| 17:48.11 | simonrvn | oddly mine didn't |
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| 17:48.14 | simonrvn | somian[0]: ^^^ |
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| 17:49.10 | abrotman | xand: the pottymouth and question asking ones .. seem about right :) |
| 17:49.17 | simonrvn | EmleyMoor: i.e., chmod the file so that group can read it |
| 17:49.19 | fasta | How can I compile the nvidia kernel module without using GPL only symbols? |
| 17:49.21 | somian[0] | simonrvn: <nod> (I think i had to search around and add a little bit more software -- some daemon maybe? -- to get it like that. |
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| 17:49.26 | xand | o.O |
| 17:49.31 | EmleyMoor | simonrvn: It's difficult to tell what group it's running as - and I can't see a way to make it run as asterisk without causing error 500 |
| 17:49.47 | sobersabre | hi, how can I remove configuration of already removed packages flagged "rc" in dpkg -l |
| 17:49.49 | xand | isn't MangosDebian new... yet at #16? |
| 17:49.50 | somian[0] | Ah well, gotta go, bbl |
| 17:50.01 | fasta | I am using 2.6.21 from Unstable, and I just want to do <nvidia one liner> |
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| 17:50.14 | jair | does anyone here have ever use a qlogic fiber card with Debian etch? |
| 17:50.15 | simonrvn | EmleyMoor: ah, that's likely because of the scripts aren't the way suexec likes them. it likes them 755 and user:group |
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| 17:50.39 | simonrvn | somian[0]: yeh, i'll rooting around later |
| 17:50.57 | abrotman | jair: if you send me one .. i'll use it! |
| 17:51.03 | simonrvn | same here ;) |
| 17:51.11 | EmleyMoor | simonrvn: It's 755, root:root |
| 17:51.12 | jelly | jair: got some qla2312 here |
| 17:51.51 | simonrvn | EmleyMoor: well apache runs as www-data:, or whatever you set as SuexecUserGroup |
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| 17:52.02 | jair | abrotman: very Very funny |
| 17:52.09 | jair | simonrvn: you too |
| 17:52.11 | EmleyMoor | How do I set SuexecUserGroup? |
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| 17:52.20 | jair | jelly: all right check this: http://rafb.net/p/HfUR1d22.html |
| 17:52.20 | p-a-venk | when i do apt-get build-dep bochs, it fails looking for tetex-bin-upgrade. that is the first problem reported.. other packages fail to configure saying dependency problems.. any idea to fix this? |
| 17:52.31 | MangosDebian | xand: ? |
| 17:52.32 | simonrvn | oh, i thought you were wanting to do that |
| 17:52.33 | jelly | jair: and he's lying too, I bet he doesn't have a fiber switch or some other SAN set up. |
| 17:52.47 | jair | jelly: i have one here but I am getting that message on the "/var/log/messages" file |
| 17:52.57 | jair | right |
| 17:53.02 | jelly | jair: firmwre in place? |
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| 17:53.20 | simonrvn | !tell neil- -about root |
| 17:53.21 | jelly | "what firmware," he asked |
| 17:53.23 | EmleyMoor | I'm wanting to do whatever it takes to make this work |
| 17:53.30 | jair | jelly: how can I check |
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| 17:53.43 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.46 | jair | jelly: all i did was a netinst, nothing else not even the standard system |
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| 17:54.01 | jair | jelly: just what the netinst will install. |
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| 17:54.07 | jelly | jair: you have to download the firmware and put it in /lib/firmware |
| 17:54.19 | jair | let me check what I have there all right |
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| 17:54.43 | jair | jelly: but I guess I need to find out what model of qlogic I have on the system correct |
| 17:55.04 | jelly | jair: ftp://ftp.qlogic.com/outgoing/linux/firmware/ |
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| 17:55.11 | jair | jelly: and if I have a optetron dual processor should I use the k-7 kernel? |
| 17:55.16 | neil- | Whoops, my bad :) |
| 17:55.19 | simonrvn | EmleyMoor: well, that sort of apache option comes with a need of awareness of the implications. as the name implies, you're executing the scripts as that user and group |
| 17:55.33 | neil- | I need to install kernel-source packages now, but can't find the correct name... |
| 17:55.39 | neil- | Can anyone help me out? |
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| 17:55.46 | EmleyMoor | I'm getting a lot of "that" with no indication of where it is |
| 17:55.50 | simonrvn | linux-source-foo |
| 17:56.02 | xerophyte | my USB mouse was working all he sudden its stop working how can i troubleshoot that ? |
| 17:56.07 | neil- | I've tried apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 17:56.12 | neil- | ohh, its linux-source-2.6.18-4-686 then? |
| 17:56.14 | jair | jelly: but my card only shows this: qla2xxx |
| 17:56.14 | jelly | jair: I don't use distro kernels on servers, I'd guess amd64 or k7 in absence of the former, right |
| 17:56.22 | jair | how do i know which one to download |
| 17:56.30 | jair | ohh ok |
| 17:57.16 | jelly | jair: qla2xxx 0000:03:02.0: Found an ISP2312 <---- looks like a 2300 to me! |
| 17:57.59 | simonrvn | EmleyMoor: doc reading is implied ;). httpd.apache.org, look for the 2.x (2.0 or 2.2) manual. then i suggest you read up on asterisk. |
| 17:58.13 | simonrvn | jelly: i don't either. |
| 17:58.33 | simonrvn | !tell neil- -about search |
| 17:58.43 | \amethyst | neil-: just linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 17:58.58 | jelly | jair: or you can download and put all of the *.bin files in there, it won't hurt anyone |
| 17:59.05 | EmleyMoor | I am utterly familiar with asterisk - I will try reading the manual but this does point to a mutual brokenness between two packages |
| 17:59.12 | spheard | how can I install ntfs support. I tried libntfs9, but thats just a lib?! can find ntfs-3g on apt. is there a repository Im missing? |
| 17:59.27 | \amethyst | neil-: installing that will give you a .tar.bz2 in /usr/src/ that you'll have to unpack manually |
| 17:59.42 | simonrvn | EmleyMoor: ok, so it's more the apache side... set up the suexec, read the security stuff, and you'll be ok |
| 18:00.04 | neil- | \amethyst: I did apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 18:00.06 | hark | spheard: ntfs-3g's not in etch |
| 18:00.06 | \amethyst | spheard: ntfs-3g isn't in etch |
| 18:00.09 | neil- | How should I proceed |
| 18:00.20 | \amethyst | neil-: what are you doing? |
| 18:00.23 | unsolo | anyone know how i can do a tcp dump on certain ports ? |
| 18:00.30 | simonrvn | i don't want to suggest something without making people aware of the security issues attached to it |
| 18:00.42 | neil- | Compiling nvidia binary drivers. I have the .tar.bz2 you mentioned, it compained it needed the source files |
| 18:00.51 | spheard | amethyst, hark. How easy is upgrading? |
| 18:01.01 | hark | spheard: and ntfs support is already in the kernel |
| 18:01.07 | \amethyst | unsolo: tcpdump | grep |
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| 18:01.09 | jair | jelly: all right I just need to place them there and nothing else? |
| 18:01.29 | spheard | apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 18:01.56 | \amethyst | spheard: There's a backport available from backports.org |
| 18:01.59 | jelly | jair: you also need udev or hotplug installed, if you have etch you should have udev. |
| 18:02.12 | spheard | nah,sod it, no reason nt to upgrade |
| 18:02.21 | spheard | Should really start from scratch |
| 18:02.28 | jelly | unsolo: look at the "expresssion" explanation in the tcpdump manual. |
| 18:02.39 | jair | jelly: I will check if they are there |
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| 18:03.02 | MangosDebian | cast: i think debian insecurly creates the encrypted lvm actually. Doing some tests, it should have taken about 2 hours or so to urandom the size of partition I assigned to it. The time it took was more in line with a zero |
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| 18:03.07 | jelly | unsolo: basically something like , tcpdump [other options] tcp port 80 |
| 18:03.22 | unsolo | ok |
| 18:03.34 | unsolo | and multiple ports + portrange is that possible |
| 18:03.39 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 18:03.43 | cast | MangosDebian: well, thats not insecure as such. besides urandom is just one PRNG, there are faster ones |
| 18:03.53 | jelly | jair: you have to download the firmware yourself, Debian cannot distribute it |
| 18:03.55 | \amethyst | cast: urandom is not P |
| 18:04.08 | cast | \amethyst: urandom becomes a PRNG when it runs out of bits |
| 18:04.14 | \amethyst | cast: true |
| 18:04.24 | EmleyMoor | How do I find out what options were used to compile this apache? |
| 18:04.27 | jelly | jair: but there's a firmware-qlogic package in non-free |
| 18:04.39 | xerophyte | all the sudden my USB mouse not working .. dos anybody know how can i go about troubleshooting |
| 18:04.43 | simonrvn | urandom blocks when it runs out, that's hardly P |
| 18:04.46 | cast | \amethyst: now wiping a HD you're *definitely* going to empty the entropy pool |
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| 18:04.55 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: apache2 -V |
| 18:04.55 | cast | simonrvn: no, thats random |
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| 18:05.07 | simonrvn | er, yeh, misread |
| 18:05.17 | \amethyst | cast: Is there some reason one would want true randomness for wiping a hard drive? |
| 18:05.28 | MangosDebian | cast: any idea what random thats faster than urandom might have been used? and while a zero'd fs might stop a typical user, I would say it would effectively void security of encryption to a more skilled user |
| 18:05.33 | \amethyst | cast: does the NSA have number-theoretical trace magnetization detectors? :) |
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| 18:05.37 | simonrvn | ...and mistyped =) *blush* |
| 18:05.53 | jair | jelly: installing hotplug damage the system man F$%^CK |
| 18:06.16 | neil- | So.. I've downloaded linux-source-xxx, decompressed it, and If I run the nvidia installer .run file, specifying /usr/local/src/linux-source.2.6.xx as the source tree, it now finds it.. |
| 18:06.23 | neil- | however complains it may not be configured, and quits. |
| 18:06.38 | \amethyst | MangosDebian: Install "wipe" and run it on the block device |
| 18:06.39 | simonrvn | !tell neil- -about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:06.41 | valdyn | MangosDebian: why would it need to urandom the whole partition upon _creation_ ? |
| 18:07.01 | cast | MangosDebian: openssl with a random key encrypting the contents of /dev/zero, in CFB mode if it has it, will create an unpredictable stream certainly. that would be better than /dev/zero straight and faster than urandom |
| 18:07.02 | simonrvn | just having the source means fuck all if you haven't set it up |
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| 18:07.09 | neil- | simonrvn: I've done that, but it doesnt give the latest driver version |
| 18:07.16 | jair | jelly: anyway I will have to reinstall man |
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| 18:07.25 | neil- | simonrvn: I know, I've never done this before, hence why I'm here |
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| 18:07.32 | MangosDebian | valdyn: cause when a cryptologist knows where all the "0"'s are, it becomes useless encryption wise |
| 18:07.33 | ma3x | relay=none, delay=120, delays=120/0.12/0/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=yahoo.com type=MX: Host not found, try again) |
| 18:07.35 | ma3x | why do i get that |
| 18:07.39 | unsolo | jelly: can you also do multiple interfaces ? |
| 18:07.42 | \amethyst | MangosDebian: you don't need random, you need multiple patterns specially crafted to eliminate trace magnetizations |
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| 18:07.57 | stew | ma3x: becuase you can't resolve the hostname "yahoo.com" |
| 18:07.58 | valdyn | MangosDebian: umm, that partition is full of perfectly random data that represents nothing |
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| 18:08.10 | ma3x | stew, but I can! i type nslookup yahoo.com and it resolves |
| 18:08.10 | \amethyst | MangosDebian: aha, I see the concern |
| 18:08.32 | stew | ma3x: i don't know then |
| 18:08.36 | \amethyst | MangosDebian: Because if the partition is wiped to zeros (or something predictable), it gives you known-plaintext |
| 18:08.40 | cast | \amethyst: the reason is to mask the ciphertext. you can appreciated if the partition is zeroed out, then you put on your encrypted fs, and dump a 1gb file in. someoen could make a guess as to you having a 1gb file there by the 1gb of ciphertext. so its an attempt at limiting the leaking of information |
| 18:09.02 | stew | ma3x: does "dig yahoo.com mx" return a bunch of mx records? |
| 18:09.05 | EmleyMoor | It's looking like this apache is not suexec enabled |
| 18:09.11 | cast | \amethyst: don't you mean known ciphertext? |
| 18:09.13 | ma3x | stew, yes! |
| 18:09.28 | simonrvn | neil-: if it's the same kernel version, same source, and only then, you could cp a copy of that kernel's config to that source tree, run make oldconfig, run make until it hits making the version.h file, and kill make. it'll be happy then |
| 18:09.36 | simonrvn | EmleyMoor: a2enmod suexec |
| 18:09.48 | MangosDebian | \amethyst: its no biggy considering its a test install. but the fact that debian may be filling the partition with 0's is rather disturbing since analyzing the fs can determine where data exists. again, minor, just complaining :) |
| 18:09.53 | simonrvn | (might be suexec2) |
| 18:09.58 | \amethyst | cast: the ciphertext is known, assuming someone has access to your hardware. If it's zeroed, part of the plaintext is known, which makes cryptanalysis easier |
| 18:10.13 | jelly | unsolo: I don't think it can do multiple ifaces, only one specific. But RTFM about the -D option, there's a fake interface that captures all of them |
| 18:10.22 | neil- | simonrvn: Sounds perfect.. where do I find the kernel config? |
| 18:10.40 | simonrvn | /boot for debian built ones |
| 18:10.48 | unsolo | jelly: thanks |
| 18:10.54 | neil- | simonrvn: nice |
| 18:11.15 | valdyn | MangosDebian: i doubt its wiped at all, or zeroed or anything - and there's no point |
| 18:11.19 | cast | \amethyst: first off some plaintext will generally be known, say from the FS structure/table, but you are zeroing the disk prior to setting up cryptsetup, the zeroing in itself does not give known plaintext |
| 18:11.24 | jelly | jair: if you're on etch, you should already have udev -- you don't need hotplug |
| 18:11.32 | MangosDebian | \amethyst: but I dont know if its zero'ing the partition before of after it sets up the crypt volume. If youve ever used truecrypt, you probably familiar with the fact that it randomizes the whole file upon creation to make it all appear as garbage |
| 18:11.55 | MangosDebian | valdyn: sec |
| 18:11.56 | EmleyMoor | Right, it's got it - but how do I influence what the script runs as? |
| 18:12.01 | fasta | When will 2.6.22 be uploaded to unstable? |
| 18:12.19 | stew | fasta: we have no way of knowing |
| 18:12.33 | maxamillion | fasta: when the devs feel its ready |
| 18:12.49 | jelly | fasta: it's out? |
| 18:12.50 | valdyn | fasta: not before its released on kernel.org |
| 18:12.52 | \amethyst | cast: Oh, zeroing *before* setting up the crypted part |
| 18:13.00 | jelly | fasta: I mean, is it out already? |
| 18:13.25 | \amethyst | s/part/volume/ |
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| 18:14.00 | fasta | jelly: I don't know. |
| 18:14.20 | jelly | fasta: ... |
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| 18:14.41 | \amethyst | fasta: It's not out yet. 2.6.22-rc5 (release candidate 5) is in experimental if you're really itching to test some kernels |
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| 18:15.16 | \amethyst | rc7 is out, but not in debian, even experimental |
| 18:15.31 | fasta | \amethyst: the ones in unstable are not compatible with nvidia. |
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| 18:15.53 | MangosDebian | valdyn: http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/hidden-volume-precautions.php |
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| 18:15.59 | valdyn | fasta: any .21 is not, any older kernel should be, any newer kernel should be |
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| 18:16.38 | cast | MangosDebian: now that i think about it any stream cipher that isn't broken might do for a good PRNG |
| 18:16.41 | MangosDebian | valdyn: actually, read the whole truecrypt doc section, very good info in there. and 100% of the theory applies to any encryption. anyways 0 = bad was my only point |
| 18:16.42 | valdyn | MangosDebian: and _randomising_ is supposed to fix that? |
| 18:16.45 | \amethyst | fasta: you're talking about the paravirt_ops problem or something else? |
| 18:16.51 | fasta | \amethyst: yes |
| 18:17.11 | jason^ | is there a prefered group to put users into for sudo ability? |
| 18:17.13 | \amethyst | fasta: You can edit the kernel source and fix that yourself |
| 18:17.15 | MangosDebian | cast: very true. the only requirement would be that the attacker doesnt know what you used and thus cant recreate it |
| 18:17.20 | epp | MangosDebian, do you run mangos? |
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| 18:17.40 | fasta | \amethyst: yes, but that requires me to recompile a kernel, something I don't want to do, although I did so in the past. |
| 18:17.41 | MangosDebian | epp: no, i eat them ;) yes |
| 18:18.03 | epp | MangosDebian, I ran that. Now im compiling antrix |
| 18:18.27 | MangosDebian | valdyn: lets say i used a crypted loop back file with an offset into the partition. its kinda pointless if its stored on a zero'd partition |
| 18:18.35 | jair | jelly: I think i repaired i cancel the install of hotplug and force reinstall udev |
| 18:18.42 | jair | jelly: everything is good now |
| 18:18.47 | MangosDebian | epp: funny, most ppl come to mangos from antrix :) |
| 18:18.54 | jair | I also install the firmware-qlogic |
| 18:19.09 | epp | MangosDebian, it cant run t6 |
| 18:19.23 | MangosDebian | t6? |
| 18:19.26 | valdyn | MangosDebian: its easy to locate if the rest is zeroed sure, but that doesnt make it possible to decipher it |
| 18:19.49 | valdyn | MangosDebian: now if you randomise you get as far - its easy to tell that there must be something, but you can decipher it - small difference |
| 18:20.00 | valdyn | MangosDebian: s/can/cannot |
| 18:20.38 | MangosDebian | cast: how so? |
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| 18:21.47 | jair | jelly: I installed the qlogic firmware from non-free but still |
| 18:21.53 | MangosDebian | valdyn: the data may be encrypted, but if the crypted part ontop of the zero'd loop, then you can see what spots data exists and could be used to help break the crypt |
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| 18:21.59 | itchi | With cfdisk, which code is equivalent to the FAT32? I tried the 0B and the 0C but when i try to mount it, i get wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1 |
| 18:22.11 | jair | jelly: I check the messages in log and keep showing failed to initialized |
| 18:22.16 | jeward | Does anyone know how long PPC support will continue? |
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| 18:22.39 | itchi | Both fat and vfat modules are been loaded :-( |
| 18:22.46 | simonrvn | jeward: until it's no longer asked for |
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| 18:23.11 | jeward | simonrvn: Cool, thanks. |
| 18:23.15 | cast | MangosDebian: hmm, its hard to hide things. ' TrueCrypt Version 4.1 was released on November 26, 2005. It added LRW mode, which is more secure than CBC mode for on-the-fly storage encryption.[1] LRW mode also neutralized an exploit that could (under certain circumstances) be used to compromise the plausible deniability of a TrueCrypt volume by allowing it to be distinguished from random data.[2]' --wikipedia |
| 18:23.17 | MangosDebian | valdyn: heck, just knowing where the fat tables are in a crypted fs can help someone break it since he has access to more "known" values. a few 100 or 1000 "known" values = breakage (in theory) |
| 18:23.41 | itchi | On the other side (on the computer itself), i get VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda1 |
| 18:24.09 | cast | the ciphers we use are all resistant to known plaintext attacks. so it does not equate to breakage in theory or practice :P |
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| 18:24.33 | cast | itchi: does it have a fat FS on there? |
| 18:24.59 | MangosDebian | cast: actually, i would argue that I already know how to detect its pressence based on the header of a truecrypt volume. all you need is to search for combinations of valid tc version numbers and other info stored in the header. you would then step ahead and forward in the fs until you find a 1k block of data that fits the fingerprint of a header |
| 18:25.01 | cast | itchi: you've set the partition type as fat, but that is all |
| 18:25.23 | MangosDebian | cast: although the data is still crypted, the header ALWAYS has a fixed and very detectable format |
| 18:25.40 | cast | MangosDebian: huh? in truecrypt or luks? |
| 18:25.48 | itchi | cast: I just made it with cfdisk, i choosed/tested with W95 FAT32 (0B) and W95 FAT32 (LBA) (0C) |
| 18:26.10 | MangosDebian | cast: truecrypt. -> http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/volume-format-specification.php |
| 18:26.12 | itchi | cast: Do you mean that the fs is not yet made? |
| 18:26.18 | cast | itchi: then you have to mkfs.vfat on it to make a fat filesystem |
| 18:26.25 | itchi | cast: Right :-p |
| 18:26.31 | itchi | cast: Thanks for the hint :-) |
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| 18:27.54 | cast | MangosDebian: the existance of a semiworking feature makes me suspect of the whole thing, but ahh well. it probably works fine. luks has no such feature :) |
| 18:27.58 | MangosDebian | cast: look at the table, all you look for is 1k, and look for offset 92 = 0, offset 68 = a known version (assume latest, or check pc), offset 76 in a realistic timeframe etc. |
| 18:28.49 | MangosDebian | oh, and the word "TRUE" |
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| 18:29.09 | MangosDebian | cast: rainbow table all values of "TRUE" should help break the encryption |
| 18:29.47 | MangosDebian | realitically, even luks is poorly designed in the sense that no program should EVER be able to tell if a password is right or wrong |
| 18:29.54 | itchi | cast: Case solved :-) Many thanks :-) |
| 18:30.02 | cast | itchi: awesome :) |
| 18:31.07 | MangosDebian | it should take any password i give it and just use it, if it knows it fails, the encryption can be attacked via distributed methods. but really if it contains a valid fs, then even then the check is just a matter of trying each password until you get one that returns a valid ext2 fs. never ending battle |
| 18:31.09 | cast | MangosDebian: i wouldn't say its poorly designed at all, it was designed intentially like that. besides, if you don't want that feature just use dmcrypt |
| 18:32.10 | jair | jelly: I am on the site of qlogic |
| 18:32.27 | jair | and I think they will help me because I got support let see how this end :) |
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| 18:34.13 | MangosDebian | cast: well, i guess im a little harsh on that, your very right, its nice software. Im just disturbed in general by the people who right it leaving "bread crumbs" or design decisions which make it easier for cryptanalysts to break. anyways thanks for tip on lvm, your suggestion worked with luksOpen :) |
| 18:34.37 | MangosDebian | s/right it/write crypt software/ |
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| 18:34.53 | simonrvn | itchi: when you partition something, it doesn't automatically create the filesystem |
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| 18:36.47 | Abhi123 | anybody here own a linux server? |
| 18:36.55 | cast | !anyone |
| 18:36.56 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:36.59 | dondelelcaro | Abhi123: almost everyone does. |
| 18:37.30 | cast | now owning a windows server...that might be unusual |
| 18:37.35 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 18:39.12 | dondelelcaro | Abhi123: read /topic and refrain from /msg'ing me, please. |
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| 18:39.41 | abrotman | cast: would it .. really? |
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| 18:40.19 | Abhi123 | dondelelcaro, you host server at home or data center |
| 18:40.23 | simonrvn | holy smokes that autoremove thingy scared me for a moment |
| 18:40.35 | valdyn | !tell Abhi123 -about ask |
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| 18:40.40 | simonrvn | haven't used apt-get since it was updated last time =) |
| 18:40.43 | dondelelcaro | Abhi123: both. Just ask your actual question, please. |
| 18:40.58 | unsolo | http://rafb.net/p/v9Wo7l69.html |
| 18:41.09 | unsolo | how can i figure out what that is |
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| 18:41.28 | MangosDebian | Abhi123: most people consider it rude to "probe" or "data mine their setup". thought you should know |
| 18:41.41 | Abhi123 | i am looking for somebody to help me host some applications |
| 18:41.52 | abrotman | then you should contact a hosting company |
| 18:41.57 | rich__ | Hi! I cannot install the kernel-headers-2.6.22-RC6--686-bigmem ( http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ ) because I cannot find kbuild-2.6.22 ici: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-kbuild-2.6/ What can I do? Thank you! |
| 18:42.03 | Abhi123 | a bit cheaper way |
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| 18:42.16 | Abhi123 | somebody have free space unused |
| 18:42.33 | valdyn | Abhi123: there's a ton of web services doing this - google for instance |
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| 18:42.42 | MangosDebian | that wouldnt mind a complete stranger logining in to use and run unchecked software? |
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| 18:43.07 | fasta | valdyn: I have an experimental kernel now, but the headers are not available, which implies I cannot install the nvidia module on it. |
| 18:43.38 | valdyn | fasta: the headers should be in experimental jsut aswell |
| 18:43.41 | MangosDebian | Abhi123: why cant you just run it yourself? you clearly have access to a pc with internet access |
| 18:43.43 | fasta | valdyn: I only have "main" in my sources. |
| 18:43.51 | fasta | valdyn: do I need contrib too? |
| 18:43.56 | valdyn | fasta: no |
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| 18:44.03 | fasta | valdyn: odd |
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| 18:44.10 | Abhi123 | MangoDebian, i have 300 kbps uplink only |
| 18:44.28 | MangosDebian | Abhi123: whats wrong with that? planning on getting slashdotted? |
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| 18:44.47 | valdyn | fasta: apt-get -t experimental install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:44.49 | Abhi123 | is that enough for svn, dns, smtp server and jboss |
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| 18:44.57 | MangosDebian | sure |
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| 18:45.07 | Abhi123 | MangosDebian, not now to get slashdotted |
| 18:45.21 | fasta | valdyn: I need linux-kbuild-2.6.22 |
| 18:45.30 | Abhi123 | MangosDebian, is it ok for svn, jboss, dns and smtp |
| 18:45.31 | cast | Abhi123: just get a VPS, its cheap enough. |
| 18:45.32 | fasta | valdyn: the headers depend on that |
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| 18:45.33 | valdyn | Abhi123: dns is better outsourced, there's free services, ALOT of them |
| 18:45.44 | MangosDebian | Abhi123: although you isp will probably have something to say about running email |
| 18:45.53 | valdyn | Abhi123: sourceforge and google offer things like cvs |
| 18:46.02 | MangosDebian | <3 sf.net |
| 18:46.12 | Abhi123 | but these are for open source thingies |
| 18:46.21 | valdyn | Abhi123: so? |
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| 18:46.30 | valdyn | Abhi123: why cant you use sourceforge like anyone? |
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| 18:46.57 | Abhi123 | i will have a different license than open source ones |
| 18:47.01 | rich__ | valdyn: some kernel-headers do install, like i386, but 686-bigmem refuses to install asking for kbuild-2.6.22 which is nowhere to be found, and I do not even know how to build it myself. |
| 18:47.09 | MangosDebian | Abhi123: svn is license agnostic |
| 18:47.29 | Abhi123 | i mean the sourceforge and google code |
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| 18:47.41 | fasta | rich__: heh, same problem as me |
| 18:47.41 | valdyn | rich__: you can build these packages from source - experimental doesnt even try to be complete |
| 18:47.44 | Exy | What's the "bigmem" for? |
| 18:47.52 | valdyn | fasta: ^^^ |
| 18:48.02 | rvsjoen_ | are there any tricks to be able to scroll up and down in the man-pages using up/down arrows ? i'm only able to scroll down |
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| 18:48.13 | dondelelcaro | rich__: there's no point in the bigmem kernels anymore; all of the Debian kernels are PAE. |
| 18:48.13 | asg | Exy: >4G of memory |
| 18:48.53 | dondelelcaro | err, ignore me. I'm thinking of the xen kernels. |
| 18:49.26 | rich__ | bigmem recognizes my 4GB, the regular kernel does not. |
| 18:49.37 | MangosDebian | "* Added dondelelcaro to ignore list" :) |
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| 18:49.50 | MangosDebian | jk ;p |
| 18:49.52 | cast | i take it there are no non-pae xen binary kernel packages? /me finds the pae annoying |
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| 18:49.55 | valdyn | >4G is jsut misleading |
| 18:50.10 | dondelelcaro | cast: you can easily build one, but Debian doesn't distribute them. |
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| 18:50.12 | annoia | How is it you see the memory on the gfx card? |
| 18:50.13 | Exy | cast, PAE? |
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| 18:50.18 | rich__ | fasta: yes, we have the same problem. I want to use kvm when I use an rc kernel from experimental, but I do not know how. |
| 18:50.25 | annoia | How much there is, that is |
| 18:50.46 | fasta | valdyn: apt-get source -t experimental linux-kbuild-2.6.22 fails, although I have an experimental source (deb-src) in sources.list |
| 18:50.58 | valdyn | fasta: 22-rc5 |
| 18:51.12 | fasta | valdyn: right |
| 18:51.14 | Exy | Any notable changes from .21 to .22? |
| 18:51.19 | fasta | thanks |
| 18:51.52 | valdyn | Exy: www.kernelnewbies.org |
| 18:51.55 | fasta | valdyn: problem persists |
| 18:52.00 | epp | MangosDebian, can i run manogs on 2.1.2? |
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| 18:52.19 | valdyn | fasta: what exactly is your kernel that is installed right nw? |
| 18:52.31 | MangosDebian | epp: thats a little OT for here, join #mmorpg-dev |
| 18:52.58 | fasta | valdyn: 2.6.22-rc5-k7 |
| 18:53.10 | fasta | valdyn: oops |
| 18:53.29 | rich__ | valdyn, for my part I installed linux-image-2.6.22-rc6-686-bigmem_2.6.22~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.9038_i386.deb |
| 18:53.30 | fasta | valdyn: no, adding k7 to it also doesn't help |
| 18:53.39 | Exy | valdyn, That only goes up to .21 |
| 18:53.40 | fasta | valdyn: it is that version, though. |
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| 18:54.32 | rich__ | Someone asked for kbuild-2.6.22 on the mailing list but got no answer. |
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| 18:55.06 | valdyn | fasta: so get tp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-headers-2.6.22-rc5-k7_2.6.22~rc5-1~experimental.1_i386.deb and ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-headers-2.6.22-rc5_2.6.22~rc5-1~experimental.1_i386.deb |
| 18:55.20 | stoned | !wireless |
| 18:55.20 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or Linksys WPC11: http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:55.20 | valdyn | fasta: i dont really know what else the problem is. |
| 18:55.37 | yangvnc | Is there a tool to burn KVCD video file from the .bin file (There is only a manual for windows - nero)...? |
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| 18:55.45 | fasta | valdyn: the headers aren't the problem, kbuild is. |
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| 18:56.13 | Ramattack | Hi all |
| 18:56.33 | rich__ | What I do not understand is that the person building all those experimental debs of the headers does not seem to realize that most of them are impossible to install without the right kbuild version. |
| 18:56.36 | Ramattack | does in a dns the soa record something different to inform with the field name server? |
| 18:56.54 | Ramattack | or should this field obligatorily agree with the primary name server? |
| 18:57.17 | fasta | Can't the Debian project spare a few servers that run all packages? |
| 18:57.26 | jelly | yangvnc: is that a .bin and a .cue file? |
| 18:57.44 | dondelelcaro | fasta: it's impossible to install all of the packages. |
| 18:57.47 | jelly | yangvnc: if so, cdrdao knows how to burn those |
| 18:57.58 | fasta | dondelelcaro: oh, right, there are combinations of configurations. |
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| 18:58.12 | fasta | dondelelcaro: just the defaults, then. |
| 18:58.28 | dondelelcaro | fasta: almost all of the project machines run the default packages. |
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| 18:58.36 | yangvnc | jelly: yes .bin and .cue |
| 18:58.38 | abrotman | fasta: every server has the "defaults" ... |
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| 18:59.17 | valdyn | what the hell are these new linux-kbuild packages? |
| 18:59.27 | rich__ | Is there a place to get the sources of kbuild outside of debian, or it would not work anyway? |
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| 18:59.34 | yangvnc | jelly: thanks a lot ! |
| 18:59.35 | Ramattack | abrotman, mate could you help me please? |
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| 18:59.52 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: the description says what they're about... |
| 19:00.07 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: i dont see a package, only the depend |
| 19:00.11 | abrotman | Ramattack: help you wahat ? |
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| 19:00.16 | abrotman | Ramattack: ask #dns |
| 19:00.20 | tsimmes | How can I lock file from changes by anything? I have domain name servers in /etc/resolv.conf and I don't want that they'd change |
| 19:00.28 | dondelelcaro | !+info linux-kbuild-2.6.18 |
| 19:00.29 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:00.30 | dpkg | Package 'linux-kbuild-2.6.18' does not exist. |
| 19:00.38 | atealtha | I have a box which I want to add a new HDD and turn into a software RAID1 setup. Is it possible on my current system, to make a RAID mount, copy everything over then boot into it? In other words reduce downtime so there is no reinstalling |
| 19:00.45 | Ramattack | I'm doing but nobody answers me... :( |
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| 19:01.07 | dondelelcaro | !+info linux-kbuild-2.6.22 |
| 19:01.08 | dpkg | Package 'linux-kbuild-2.6.22' does not exist. |
| 19:01.10 | dondelelcaro | !+info linux-kbuild-2.6.21 |
| 19:01.13 | neil- | Message from syslogd@slice at Tue Jul 3 21:00:46 2007 ... |
| 19:01.14 | neil- | slice kernel: CPU1: Temperature above threshold |
| 19:01.14 | dpkg | linux-kbuild-2.6.21: (Kbuild infrastructure for Linux 2.6.21), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.21-1 (sid), Packaged size: 170 kB, Installed size: 504 kB |
| 19:01.23 | valdyn | atealtha: easier than that, read the reciepes in /usr/share/doc/mdadm |
| 19:01.30 | neil- | Hi all, what does teh above mean apart from the obvious? where is the threshold set? |
| 19:01.31 | valdyn | atealtha: and the READMEs |
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| 19:01.41 | neil- | Message from syslogd@slice at Tue Jul 3 21:00:46 2007 ... |
| 19:01.41 | neil- | slice kernel: CPU1: Temperature above threshold . kernel: CPU1: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 19:01.47 | atealtha | valdyn: thanks |
| 19:02.05 | valdyn | neil-: i think that one is hardwired in your cpu |
| 19:02.29 | neil- | Compiling a kernel, but it doesnt feel THAT hot, and its def. notas hot as it is after 2hrs of half life 2 :) |
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| 19:03.14 | valdyn | neil-: how would you know that? |
| 19:03.16 | atealtha | valdyn: well someone suggested some commands to copy everything over, but I'm thinking of using a new simpler partitioning scheme |
| 19:03.33 | neil- | the case is open right now |
| 19:03.40 | neil- | I mean hot to the touch.. |
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| 19:03.58 | valdyn | neil-: opening doesnt necessarily help |
| 19:03.59 | neil- | any way to read of the temperature? It's all well telling me its too hot, but I need to know HOW hot :D |
| 19:04.32 | valdyn | neil-: its rather pointless to know how hot, since those values are highly inaccurate |
| 19:04.44 | nono31 | Hi |
| 19:04.48 | neil- | mm I guess |
| 19:04.52 | valdyn | neil-: apt-get install lm-sensors, run sensors-detect,, read values with 'sensors' |
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| 19:05.13 | rich__ | Anyway, thank you valdyn for trying to help us! :) |
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| 19:06.03 | nono31 | compiz pacakge will be using compiz-fusion in the future or will it be a "compiz-fusion" specific package? |
| 19:07.21 | cTaT1k | #compiz-fusion |
| 19:07.22 | tsimmes | How can I lock file from changes by anything? I have domain name servers in /etc/resolv.conf and I don't want that they'd change |
| 19:07.38 | valdyn | tsimmes: man chattr |
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| 19:07.48 | valdyn | tsimmes: though you could jsut fix your dhcp settings |
| 19:07.49 | tsimmes | valdyn, thanks :) |
| 19:08.11 | tsimmes | valdyn, I tried but I don't think that I understand this, I think that locking the file would be simpler |
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| 19:09.48 | nono31 | cTaT1k: #compiz-fusion will give me information about how debian staff will manage their pacakges? |
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| 19:10.16 | shwouchk | hi |
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| 19:10.41 | cTaT1k | nono31: Possibly, if some debian staff happen to be in there. |
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| 19:11.09 | shwouchk | is there a utility for simple switching of apt-get mirrors? |
| 19:11.50 | CharminTheMoose | how do i extract the audio from a .vob file? |
| 19:11.59 | dondelelcaro | shwouchk: there was an apt-setup utility, but it's no longer extant. You can just use an editor to do it though; it's pretty simple. |
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| 19:12.21 | plundra | CharminTheMoose: I'd use mplayer. |
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| 19:12.35 | morten | anyone familiar with cacti and can tell me how to view just the graphs without the cacti interface? |
| 19:12.36 | plundra | CharminTheMoose: With -dumpaudio etc. |
| 19:13.10 | cTaT1k | shwouchk: Ubuntu uses `software-properties-gtk`, but I'm not use if it's Ubuntu-specific or not. |
| 19:13.27 | CharminTheMoose | I tried, but the audio is scrambled |
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| 19:14.10 | shwouchk | cTaT1k: that wouldnt help me though because I have no X |
| 19:14.13 | shwouchk | :P |
| 19:14.35 | plundra | CharminTheMoose: Ok, try -ao pcm:file=something |
| 19:14.43 | cTaT1k | shwouchk: so then `sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list` ^^ |
| 19:14.52 | shwouchk | dondelelcaro: yeah but it's a hassle to change 20 server lines... |
| 19:14.56 | shwouchk | cTaT1k: :( |
| 19:14.59 | shwouchk | thanks |
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| 19:15.37 | arnaud_ | hi |
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| 19:16.10 | atealtha | valdyn: look at the mdadm recipes, #10 looks like what I want to do, except I want to sync up everything from /, which makes me believe some GRUB trickery is needed |
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| 19:18.50 | neil- | What should I add in order to have glxinfo and glxgears on my system? |
| 19:19.31 | atealtha | neil-: mesa-utils |
| 19:19.41 | neil- | thats the one, thanks |
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| 19:19.51 | atealtha | also, apt-cache search |
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| 19:20.16 | xerophyte | if you have ip/24 what will be the netmask ? |
| 19:20.27 | MangosDebian | 255.255.255.0 |
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| 19:21.01 | unsolo | anyone that can help me interpret a tcpdump |
| 19:21.05 | unsolo | 3 lines |
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| 19:21.48 | unsolo | http://rafb.net/p/hivgjD47.html |
| 19:22.02 | unsolo | im very confused by it |
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| 19:22.50 | MangosDebian | unsolo: what dont you understand? |
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| 19:23.03 | grew | 21:08:46.274906 IP 88.151.165.15.sip > 192.168.1.3.sip: UDP, length: 523 |
| 19:23.05 | grew | thats not right |
| 19:23.17 | unsolo | why not |
| 19:23.23 | unsolo | its an incoming call |
| 19:23.30 | unsolo | to a local central |
| 19:23.35 | grew | the source port shouldnt be the same |
| 19:23.53 | grew | unless sip doesnt something wierd and non-standard im not aware of |
| 19:23.59 | unsolo | maybe |
| 19:24.06 | MangosDebian | wouldnt surprise me |
| 19:24.07 | unsolo | call comes in to the phone at least |
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| 19:24.13 | unsolo | and it rings |
| 19:24.30 | MangosDebian | but even dns can force port 53 for outgoing |
| 19:24.31 | unsolo | but when you pick it up and it tries to reply you get line 3 |
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| 19:25.04 | itchi | I have a new keyboard, the layout seems ok; but if i want to get the # character, i need to press AltGr+3, no problem that's been ok, just that i first get the character ⯠|
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| 19:25.05 | MangosDebian | unsolo: what line were you curious about? the bad port from 1.1 to 1.3? or the sip? |
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| 19:25.14 | grew | 92.168.1.3.20492 is closed |
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| 19:25.17 | itchi | I hope you see that drunken âŻ# |
| 19:25.21 | grew | hence the icmp response |
| 19:25.28 | dondelelcaro | itchi: that's sharp, not hash. |
| 19:25.45 | itchi | dondelelcaro: The first character, these ⯠? |
| 19:25.55 | itchi | It's the first time i see that weird character :-) |
| 19:25.58 | unsolo | ok heres the problem first line WAN central contacts local central |
| 19:26.00 | unsolo | that works |
| 19:26.06 | unsolo | second line. |
| 19:26.15 | unsolo | local central tries to contact firewall |
| 19:26.20 | dondelelcaro | itchi: you don't read music, then. ;-) |
| 19:26.21 | unsolo | why ? |
| 19:26.31 | unsolo | at least thats my understanding of it |
| 19:26.34 | jair | jelly: it looks like the driver I need and firmware is for the model ql2340 |
| 19:26.45 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Not that much :-s, like of time heh, you know ;-) And with the little kid here too |
| 19:26.51 | grew | that shows up aw Y question mark in a diamond question mark |
| 19:26.53 | itchi | bah, lack* |
| 19:26.56 | jair | jelly: I did the install but still not having it recognize or work for the card |
| 19:27.05 | itchi | That keyboard is weird :-s |
| 19:27.12 | jair | there is anything I need to tell Debian to look for it or test it? |
| 19:27.20 | jelly | jair: 2340 is just the dual-port card with two 2312 chips, it still uses the qla2300 driver |
| 19:27.28 | dondelelcaro | itchi: you could remap it, I think... but I don't know what type of keyboard it is to start with |
| 19:27.39 | jair | jelly: all right |
| 19:27.53 | floppypond_ | my host just installed a minimal debian system (etch). I'm trying to compile apache, but it complains about gcc not being able to compile executables, all I did was apt-get install gcc (it wasn't there before) what else do I need to install? |
| 19:27.54 | unsolo | MangosDebian: im curius why the .3 contacts 1.1 instead of the source after getting the intitial call |
| 19:28.06 | jair | jelly: I have all the firmwares on the "/lib/firmware" but nothing looks to make is start or work :( |
| 19:28.17 | jair | jelly: how can I check if is working or not? |
| 19:28.19 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I dunno too :-p I have wipe the box of it. It's a cheap Trust Light keyboard or somethings like that. I can not believe it that it is not noted on the keyboard |
| 19:28.41 | jair | jelly: I check the log messages at boot and still saying that: failed to initialized |
| 19:28.43 | jelly | jair: you should have more interesting stuff in dmesg after modprobing |
| 19:28.51 | MangosDebian | unsolo: no idea, I dont know your software. perhaps a nat/gw issue? |
| 19:28.58 | jelly | jair: or rebooting, whatever |
| 19:29.10 | jair | jelly: so I should run "modprobe"? |
| 19:29.19 | unsolo | MangosDebian: im running the gw/nat |
| 19:29.22 | itchi | dondelelcaro: It's this model http://www.trust.com/products/default.aspx?item=15073 Btw, don't buy it ;-) |
| 19:29.25 | unsolo | and they are both blaming me |
| 19:29.30 | MangosDebian | unsolo: whats the 1.1? the firewall? and 1.3 the host? |
| 19:29.39 | unsolo | yea |
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| 19:29.48 | jair | jelly: I just reboot it |
| 19:30.00 | kpanic | hi, debian live has gparted or qtparted? thanks |
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| 19:30.38 | dondelelcaro | itchi: what keyboard layout are you using with it? |
| 19:30.38 | unsolo | http://rafb.net/p/LgZLyr57.html might contain something |
| 19:30.47 | MangosDebian | unsolo: almost looks like the firewall is not rewriting the 2nd packet to you. but doesnt seem to matter since you dont have that port open anyways |
| 19:30.54 | itchi | dondelelcaro: be (Belgium) |
| 19:30.58 | dondelelcaro | itchi: ah |
| 19:31.07 | unsolo | MangosDebian: i have full nat on it |
| 19:31.10 | unsolo | so i dont get it |
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| 19:31.13 | unsolo | at all |
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| 19:31.32 | unsolo | but there is no service at that port ofc |
| 19:31.34 | MangosDebian | unsolo: whats the data look like in the 2nd packet? any idea what might be triggering it? |
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| 19:31.45 | MangosDebian | !wtf ofc |
| 19:31.46 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what ofc means... |
| 19:31.55 | rahul | of course |
| 19:31.57 | jair | jelly: :( this is on dmesg => http://rafb.net/p/jb1VA722.html |
| 19:32.02 | MangosDebian | rahul: lol thanks |
| 19:32.06 | unsolo | second packet comes from the telephone central |
| 19:32.09 | unsolo | .3 |
| 19:32.09 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yeah :-p I had a qwerty before, but cause we have a azerty on work, i'm to much trying to write right on work heh. So that's why i have change of keyboard. |
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| 19:32.26 | dondelelcaro | yick |
| 19:32.37 | unsolo | its a sip central for 2 phones |
| 19:32.48 | MangosDebian | unsolo: and this "central" is on the firewall? |
| 19:33.05 | unsolo | its behind it yes |
| 19:33.13 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I have got a qwerty on my work, but heh, that Dell comp not even have a PS/2. So i stay with that old azerty one :-( |
| 19:33.23 | unsolo | 192.168.1.x is the nat range |
| 19:33.38 | jelly | jair: no need to do that, modprobe qla2xxx should do the trick |
| 19:34.01 | MangosDebian | unsolo: must be some part of the handshake between the machines thats getting firewalled. cause the firewall seems like it expects you to have that port open to complete the call I mean |
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| 19:34.11 | itchi | dondelelcaro: But i gona try to remap that key first, like you told. |
| 19:34.16 | jelly | jair: well, like it tells you, you didn't put them in the right place, then |
| 19:34.20 | zmotok | hello, anyone here using debian on a fujitsu siemens laptop? |
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| 19:34.33 | unsolo | im thinking the .3 doesnt se that the package comes from 88.151.165.15 but sees it as 192.168.1.1 |
| 19:34.36 | itchi | zmotok: Linux on laptop? Tuxmobile?? |
| 19:34.37 | MangosDebian | unsolo: does sip have multiple ports assiciated with it like say ftp? |
| 19:34.41 | jair | jelly: and this is how it looks my "/lib/firmware" dir http://rafb.net/p/OEI1vF62.html |
| 19:34.45 | unsolo | MangosDebian: yes |
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| 19:35.04 | dondelelcaro | itchi: ah... yeah, I don't have enough experience with wierd keyboard layouts (well, I guess I do have half the control keys remapped...) |
| 19:35.12 | zmotok | itchi: went there, noone says if the hotkeys for the lcd brightness work or how they made them work |
| 19:35.17 | MangosDebian | unsolo: ya, thats why i suggested a nat issue. |
| 19:35.19 | ttuttle | Is there a way to create a .deb of a package that has already been installed, by using the metadata in the package database to determine which files to include? |
| 19:35.26 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yeah, i gona remap a few here, cause these are to weird :-( |
| 19:35.31 | unsolo | 5060:5061 and the range |
| 19:35.43 | jair | jelly: they should be here right ====> "/lib/firmware" |
| 19:35.55 | jelly | jair: right. the one 123170 long works here. |
| 19:36.04 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Just that light feature is nice on that keyboard, but the rest, "no comment" will be fair |
| 19:36.31 | dondelelcaro | itchi: heh. the keyboard I'm typing on now has it too, but I don't think I've ever used it besides to show other people that it works |
| 19:36.33 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Anyway, don' buy that keyboard ;-) |
| 19:36.56 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Is it a Trust keyboard? |
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| 19:37.12 | dondelelcaro | itchi: nah, a powerbook g4 keyboard |
| 19:37.26 | itchi | dondelelcaro: bah, that's stuff :-p |
| 19:37.34 | unsolo | and the range 16384:24575 for RTP MangosDebian |
| 19:37.40 | jair | jelly: sorry but I do not understand what you mean with this===> the one 123170 long works here.?? |
| 19:37.53 | ttuttle | Anyone? |
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| 19:38.13 | jair | jelly: ohhh I will put that one there too |
| 19:38.17 | MangosDebian | unsolo: try snooping the traffic on the internet side as well and see if the 2nd packet is coming from the internet as well perhaps? |
| 19:39.02 | jelly | jair: it means that on one machine there's only -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 123170 Feb 21 14:55 ql2300_fw.bin and it works |
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| 19:40.17 | jelly | jair: anyway, I'm gone now, will possibly be back later tonight, good luck with that |
| 19:40.31 | bh | If someone has a ppc binary of FreeRA or can help me get rid of a pesky seg fault, please say so =P |
| 19:40.51 | stoned | hi |
| 19:41.23 | itchi | stoned: :-p |
| 19:41.33 | jair | jelly: Thank you very much |
| 19:41.39 | stoned | if I wanted to backport the sid version of nvidia driver, which packages would I backport on etch? |
| 19:41.40 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mates I more relaxed now |
| 19:41.44 | Ramattack | bye mates! |
| 19:41.50 | stoned | nvidia-glx? and others? I'm not sure which |
| 19:41.59 | itchi | stoned: All these that depend on?? |
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| 19:42.22 | gggggig | hi |
| 19:42.41 | stoned | itchi: but which ones exactly |
| 19:43.08 | itchi | stoned: Dunno, honesty, i not have a decent nvidia card here around :-s |
| 19:43.19 | stoned | cuz after i backport i'd still have to build the kernel module with the new source |
| 19:43.29 | stoned | so do i just get the new nvidia driver source package? |
| 19:43.31 | stoned | or what im lost |
| 19:43.39 | gggggig | could you help me? my nvidia card is supported by driver 9755 but when I install it seems it isn't |
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| 19:44.25 | gggggig | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9755.html does geforce4 mx 4000 support this driver? |
| 19:45.42 | abrotman | ask #nvidia |
| 19:45.54 | gggggig | thanks |
| 19:45.54 | ttuttle | Is there a way to create a .deb of a package that has already been installed, by using the metadata in the package database to determine which files to include? |
| 19:46.17 | dondelelcaro | ttuttle: dpkg-repack |
| 19:46.31 | dondelelcaro | ttuttle: but in general, you should use the original package. |
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| 19:47.18 | ttuttle | dondelelcaro: I'm on an embedded system and I removed the package, and I can't find it. I'm asking someone else to make me a .deb. ;-) |
| 19:47.32 | aeshyamae | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.45 | ttuttle | dondelelcaro: Unfortunately they seem to have left out dpkg-repack ;-) |
| 19:47.48 | dondelelcaro | ttuttle: yeah, the way then is to use dpkg-repack. |
| 19:48.34 | ttuttle | dondelelcaro: If I had the contents of /var/lib/dpkg and the files in the package, could I recreate it that way? |
| 19:48.46 | ttuttle | dondelelcaro: dpkg-repack is a binary, not a script, right? |
| 19:48.56 | dondelelcaro | if you don't have it, you can use /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list to get a list of files, and use it in conjunction with dpkg-deb, but I'm off to the store, and can't walk you through that. |
| 19:49.26 | ttuttle | dondelelcaro: Okay. Thanks. |
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| 19:53.25 | abrotman | ttuttle: there are some files not listed in the file list for a package |
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| 19:56.42 | anapivirtua | Night` |
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| 20:02.19 | kakalto | how do I disable automatic screen blanking? |
| 20:02.39 | kakalto | it happens from the console, so I guess it's something to do with one of the console-something packages or something? |
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| 20:06.46 | stew | Kate|work: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
| 20:06.53 | stew | kakalto: ^^^ |
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| 20:07.28 | smacnay | in testing, to install latex, is it apt-get install tetex-base? |
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| 20:07.48 | kakalto | stew: thanks =] |
| 20:09.30 | maher | smacnay: may be called texlive now or something |
| 20:10.14 | picknoser | you can pick you're friends... |
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| 20:13.31 | pickcoder | seems there was a config file restructure |
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| 20:16.33 | yangvnc | jelly: still around? |
| 20:17.03 | xerophyte | is there any package which does the auto grammar check ?? |
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| 20:18.06 | atealtha | how can I have /dev/ show different md devices to use in my RAID setup? |
| 20:18.08 | tsimmes | Hey I have mouse with 5 buttons, how can I configure that the 2 buttons in the side will do back/forward? |
| 20:18.20 | atealtha | right now it's just showing md0 and I can't create mdX using mdadm |
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| 20:20.08 | valdyn | atealtha: '/etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start' should do this for you, when you have the proper /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf entries |
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| 20:23.08 | atealtha | valdyn: tried that already, but I want to first create the RAID partitions as degraded so I can move data over |
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| 20:23.31 | valdyn | atealtha: so create them degraded |
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| 20:24.32 | valdyn | atealtha: i dont know how what im saying distrupts creating a degraded array - or degrading a complete array |
| 20:24.33 | wathek | hello all |
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| 20:25.18 | atealtha | man mdadm.conf tells me nothing of configuring a degraded array |
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| 20:25.58 | smacnay | Well, \i just found that texlive won't install in testing... still broken. |
| 20:26.12 | valdyn | atealtha: think it thru, how would the concept of raid work if the contents of /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf depended on degraded or not ? |
| 20:26.18 | utopia_ | hey I have ports that open & close within a second, too soon to try to make a connection to them(connection gets refused)..they're random ports, could be any number..should i be worried though? |
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| 20:26.28 | valdyn | atealtha: so they dont. |
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| 20:27.07 | valdyn | atealtha: you should just get an email warning you that the array is degraded |
| 20:27.50 | KDan | hmm, how bizarre |
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| 20:28.04 | KDan | when running something under xvfb-run, which used to run fine, i now get: |
| 20:28.08 | KDan | Xlib: connection to ":99.0" refused by server |
| 20:28.08 | KDan | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 20:28.08 | KDan | Error: Can't open display: :99 |
| 20:28.08 | KDan | /usr/bin/xvfb-run: line 158: kill: (21651) - No such process |
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| 20:28.37 | KDan | sorry about flood |
| 20:28.49 | KDan | thought 4 lines would be ok |
| 20:28.52 | valdyn | KDan: open a new xterm, then run that command |
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| 20:30.07 | KDan | same under new xterm (or iterm in this case) |
| 20:30.16 | KDan | it's running through a shell script. let me try it directly |
| 20:30.24 | valdyn | KDan: did you delete /tmp/* ? |
| 20:30.33 | KDan | nope |
| 20:30.35 | valdyn | KDan: is that shell script using su ? |
| 20:30.39 | xerophyte | anybody know any cool grammar check program for Debian? |
| 20:30.53 | KDan | shell script just does: xvfb-run /usr/vocalix/processing/nellynomore/nellynomore -l /usr/vocalix/processing/nellynomore/libflashplayer.so -i $1 -o $2 -q |
| 20:31.26 | KDan | i sudo'ed to do the script in this case, for my test |
| 20:31.52 | valdyn | KDan: restart X, use sudo or sux, not 'su' |
| 20:31.53 | KDan | it does the same if i just sudo su |
| 20:32.00 | wathek | is there any doc about how to create an access point based on a Debian ? |
| 20:32.03 | KDan | there's no X server |
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| 20:32.08 | valdyn | KDan: su _creates_ this error |
| 20:32.10 | KDan | this is under xvfb-run |
| 20:32.18 | KDan | i wasn't using su |
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| 20:32.56 | KDan | even when using neither sudo nor su it still does this |
| 20:33.00 | valdyn | KDan: i cant reproduce what fucked up thing nellynomore might do |
| 20:33.01 | dondelelcaro | wathek: not really, but there's no much too it. You just stick the card in, and change the mode of the wireless card to Master (or whatever). |
| 20:33.15 | wathek | ah |
| 20:33.25 | valdyn | KDan: so run a different (debian ) program instead - if that works its nellynomore's fault |
| 20:33.25 | KDan | totally understand, but from the looks of it, all it tries to do is connect to :99 |
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| 20:33.38 | KDan | hmm. ok. can any program be run under xvfb? |
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| 20:34.25 | valdyn | KDan: doubt it, but most should anyway, try xterm |
| 20:34.35 | KDan | no xterm on this, it's a server |
| 20:34.50 | KDan | there/s a .X99-lock in /tmp... would that cause it to fail? |
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| 20:35.22 | valdyn | KDan: that lock should be gone when xvfb isnt running |
| 20:35.34 | solemnwarning | Can rsync compare source and dest files using md5/sha1 hashes instead of timestamps? |
| 20:35.42 | KDan | aaha |
| 20:35.50 | KDan | and only 1 instance of xvfb can run at a time?? |
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| 20:35.57 | rich__ | . |
| 20:36.16 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.21 | valdyn | solemnwarning: ^^^ |
| 20:36.26 | solemnwarning | thanks |
| 20:36.46 | valdyn | KDan: only one can use :99 |
| 20:36.52 | KDan | dang |
| 20:37.27 | valdyn | KDan: :99 is jsut a way to avoid clashing with :0 :1 or whatever |
| 20:37.39 | valdyn | KDan: which local X servers commonly use |
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| 20:37.49 | gat-man | hello |
| 20:38.11 | KDan | damn. how do i tell it to just pick up any free :?? |
| 20:38.27 | KDan | this is a server-side utility that may be called by several people at once |
| 20:38.33 | KDan | and can run for quite some time |
| 20:38.43 | valdyn | KDan: xfvb blahblah :1 |
| 20:38.57 | KDan | but that will just run it on :1? |
| 20:39.03 | KDan | and then the same clash happens there? |
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| 20:39.16 | valdyn | KDan: you would need to script that, it doesnt walk the used :x till it finds a free one |
| 20:39.40 | gat-man | guys, I just installed debian, how do I know if I have the right drivers installed? |
| 20:39.40 | KDan | can the number after : ben any number? e.g. :1599? |
| 20:39.45 | KDan | *be |
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| 20:42.10 | KDan | ok, when i do xvfb-run -n 98 it works again now |
| 20:42.12 | KDan | hrm |
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| 20:43.03 | KDan | yay! it can be any number |
| 20:43.17 | [NikO] | !help |
| 20:43.41 | gat-man | can someone link me to a tutorial that teaches how to mount drivers? |
| 20:44.07 | solemnwarning | mount... drivers? |
| 20:44.41 | gat-man | mount hard disks, sorry. |
| 20:44.56 | gat-man | ntfs and ext3 |
| 20:44.59 | solemnwarning | mount -t type -o opts /dev/device /mountpoint :P |
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| 20:45.14 | valdyn | KDan: less than 60000, more than 55000 |
| 20:45.17 | MangosDebian | copy 6 dvd's via usb1.1, someone kill me :( |
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| 20:45.25 | KDan | awesome |
| 20:45.35 | gat-man | localhost:/home/gargantua# mount -t ntfs -o opts /dev/device /mountpoint |
| 20:45.35 | gat-man | mount: mount point /mountpoint does not exist |
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| 20:45.42 | lvh | hi. |
| 20:45.50 | gat-man | this is why I asked for a tutorial :) |
| 20:46.05 | valdyn | gat-man: /mountpoint is a preexisting directory |
| 20:46.05 | solemnwarning | /mountpoint is the directory you want to mount the filesystem at |
| 20:46.14 | KDan | i tried 239000 and it gave no error |
| 20:46.15 | solemnwarning | And /dev/device is the filesystem |
| 20:46.24 | solemnwarning | I doubt anyone has written a mount tutorial |
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| 20:46.29 | gordboy | /dev/device : no such file |
| 20:46.55 | valdyn | KDan: that's an error, that it gave no error, unless that X Server is not supposed to be accessible via network |
| 20:46.59 | solemnwarning | And you only need -o opts if you are specifying options |
| 20:47.09 | valdyn | KDan: the error would be _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to create listener for inet |
| 20:47.25 | KDan | ok.. cool |
| 20:47.29 | gat-man | "solemnwarning: And /dev/device is the filesystem" what do you mean? |
| 20:47.52 | solemnwarning | The filesystem block device in the /dev tree |
| 20:48.04 | gat-man | http://share.codelove.org/jsaxton-Ryygp6Od.html |
| 20:48.14 | gat-man | what do you know, there is a tutorial. |
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| 20:48.25 | solemnwarning | /dev/hda1 for IDE primary master, filesystem 1, hdc4 for IDE seconday master filesystem 4, ect |
| 20:48.30 | solemnwarning | wow |
| 20:48.39 | gat-man | oh ok |
| 20:48.41 | gat-man | ok ok |
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| 20:49.22 | gat-man | localhost:/home/gargantua# mount -t ntfs -o opts /dev/sda5 /home/gargantua |
| 20:49.22 | gat-man | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda5, |
| 20:49.22 | gat-man | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.22 | gat-man | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.22 | gat-man | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:49.40 | valdyn | hah |
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| 20:50.01 | gat-man | sorry about that |
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| 20:50.03 | MangosDebian | too bad it wasnt a 1 minute kick, maybe people would learn :) |
| 20:50.13 | solemnwarning | 1 minute kick? |
| 20:50.29 | gat-man | solemnwarning: well? |
| 20:50.35 | MangosDebian | ban if you insist on being technical about it |
| 20:50.36 | solemnwarning | gat-man: Get rid of -o opts |
| 20:50.37 | gat-man | why am I getting that error? |
| 20:50.40 | gat-man | ok |
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| 20:51.15 | gat-man | hmm it works |
| 20:51.26 | gat-man | but when I try to open it, it says I dont have permission |
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| 20:51.52 | valdyn | gat-man: having home on an ntfs filesystem is very bad |
| 20:52.03 | gat-man | ? |
| 20:52.07 | valdyn | gat-man: assuming /home/gargantua is your $HOME |
| 20:52.22 | gat-man | that's the way it was on ubuntu... |
| 20:52.30 | gat-man | (waits for flames) |
| 20:52.31 | valdyn | gat-man: hah |
| 20:52.39 | valdyn | gat-man: no way ubuntu would be that stupid |
| 20:52.50 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning :) |
| 20:53.10 | valdyn | gat-man: why didnt you stick to ubuntu btw? |
| 20:53.23 | gat-man | could someone help me; it seems that I dont even have permission to my desktop. |
| 20:53.38 | valdyn | gat-man: well, you just fucked your desktop, what do you expect |
| 20:53.59 | valdyn | gat-man: umount /dev/hda5 |
| 20:54.00 | lvh | I've just stepped in, to recapitulate: |
| 20:54.01 | gat-man | valdyn: l wanted something more challenging |
| 20:54.04 | valdyn | gat-man: umount /dev/sda5 |
| 20:54.10 | gat-man | ok |
| 20:54.18 | valdyn | this is not even funny |
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| 20:54.25 | valdyn | *plonk* |
| 20:54.37 | gat-man | ok I unmounted it,,, |
| 20:54.38 | lvh | You have your home directory on ntfs, and now the permissions are biting back? |
| 20:54.46 | solemnwarning | Sorry :) |
| 20:54.57 | MangosDebian | i turned around at "ntfs" |
| 20:55.14 | gat-man | nah it's ok, even #ubuntu makes fun of for using ubuntu :( |
| 20:55.21 | solemnwarning | XD |
| 20:55.22 | lvh | How? Wait, never mind. Why? |
| 20:55.22 | lvh | haha. |
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| 20:55.34 | gat-man | valdyn: so I unmounted, where should I mount it? |
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| 20:56.27 | lvh | you're using the ntfs kernel driver, right? |
| 20:56.44 | gat-man | I dont know |
| 20:56.51 | slack101 | man i jus never give up |
| 20:56.58 | slack101 | lets try to cvompile this kernel AGAIN |
| 20:57.11 | MangosDebian | slack101: lol, im telling you man, make-kpkg |
| 20:57.17 | slack101 | i got it |
| 20:57.19 | slack101 | im using it |
| 20:57.22 | slack101 | i used it the last time |
| 20:57.33 | MangosDebian | ah. just bad options? |
| 20:57.36 | slack101 | but i didnt do any kind of make menuconfig or nothing |
| 20:57.36 | gat-man | valdyn: please help. |
| 20:57.40 | lvh | slack101: it would probably help if you gave us an error we could grok |
| 20:57.46 | slack101 | no error |
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| 20:58.11 | MangosDebian | slack101: depending on how you invoke it, your meant to menuconfig it ahead of time |
| 20:58.23 | lvh | gat-man: your problem is ntfs. if you want to fix your problem, mkfs.ext3 |
| 20:58.33 | slack101 | MangosDebian, yea i didnt do that |
| 20:58.39 | slack101 | i thought it was gonna as me but it ddin't |
| 20:58.41 | gat-man | why is "ntfs my problem"? |
| 20:58.45 | slack101 | so apparently i got a bad config or something |
| 20:58.55 | MangosDebian | lvh: id be interested to know what else he loses if he does a mkfs though |
| 20:58.55 | lvh | gat-man: because ntfs permissions are biting you. |
| 20:59.06 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:59.12 | gat-man | so what do I need to do, to mount the hdds? |
| 20:59.15 | abrotman | Calgon, take me away ... |
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| 20:59.27 | MangosDebian | gat-man: and ntfs support I would consider "permanent beta" |
| 20:59.49 | MangosDebian | ie: encryption, compression, dynamic disks = bleeeh |
| 20:59.59 | gat-man | well it ran beautifully on ubuntu |
| 21:00.00 | lvh | gat-man: sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs && sudo mount -o rw /dev/sda5 /mnt/ntfs |
| 21:00.13 | MangosDebian | gat-man: its not a "ubuntu" thing, its a "kernel" thing |
| 21:00.16 | lvh | gat-man: unfortunately ntfs running has little to do with ubuntu or debian |
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| 21:00.31 | lvh | gat-man: seeing as the kernel driver is the same (provided you're running the same kernel version) |
| 21:00.34 | gat-man | You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "ntfs". |
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| 21:00.46 | lvh | it really is more of a phase of the moon thing with ntfs ^^ |
| 21:00.58 | MangosDebian | gat-man: your probably getting it mounted with only permission for root to view/use it |
| 21:01.06 | lvh | gat-man: it says that on the mount command? |
| 21:01.18 | gat-man | I um doing everything under su |
| 21:01.22 | MangosDebian | although most people will deny you support for ntfs on prinicple |
| 21:01.25 | gat-man | (if thats what you mean) |
| 21:01.38 | lvh | gat-man: do you get that error when you MOUNT it? |
| 21:01.38 | kamui | can someone offer some alsa help? I run alsaconfig as root, it detects both of my soundcards, I choose the card I want, and the second half of the setup seems to fail, no device is found when I attempt to use alsamixer, no idea whats going on |
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| 21:01.55 | lvh | kamui: alsamixer -c |
| 21:01.55 | gat-man | lvh: no, no errors at all. |
| 21:02.10 | lvh | gat-man: aha. |
| 21:02.17 | gat-man | ? |
| 21:02.18 | lvh | gat-man: whoami |
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| 21:02.32 | gat-man | you're lvh, lol. |
| 21:02.35 | lvh | gat-man: you shouldnt be getting that error if you run only the command i gave you |
| 21:02.42 | lvh | gat-man: i meant, run whoami on the shell |
| 21:02.43 | gat-man | localhost:/home/gargantua# whoami |
| 21:02.43 | gat-man | root |
| 21:02.51 | mmcji | im looking for command to close dvd drive tray from command line |
| 21:02.55 | MangosDebian | gat-man: ls -la /path/to/ntfs/.., whats the perms on the dir? |
| 21:02.57 | kamui | lvh, what does that do for me? |
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| 21:03.05 | gat-man | I told you, I am running everything under root\su |
| 21:03.10 | valdyn | mmcji: why? |
| 21:03.14 | lvh | kamui: allows you to select a specific sound card, i had a similar problem |
| 21:03.32 | kamui | alsa claims I have no installed cards at all |
| 21:03.42 | valdyn | mmcji: it'll load as soon as you access it |
| 21:03.43 | kamui | though it sees them in the alsaconfig |
| 21:03.54 | gat-man | MangosDebian: what do I replace /path/to/ntfs/ with? |
| 21:03.56 | lvh | gat-man: tail /var/log/syslog |
| 21:04.06 | lvh | gat-man: does that mention anything about ntfs? |
| 21:04.08 | MangosDebian | slack101: so tell me, why were you compiling a kernel again? |
| 21:04.22 | MangosDebian | gat-man: and I thought I was being more obvious than usual.... |
| 21:04.47 | mmcji | i run a headless server and am moving data to dvd's, when i finish backing a volume to dvd, i want to reload it to do a second verification of the data before i have some in my datacenter remove the dvd. |
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| 21:06.05 | lvh | calling anyone who's helped gatman before: can you confirm he's using the kernelspace ntfs driver? |
| 21:06.26 | lvh | I'm inclined to use ntfs from fuse, even though he's somehow managed to get his home directory on ntfs |
| 21:06.37 | gat-man | lvh: no, nothing about ntfs... |
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| 21:06.47 | valdyn | mmcji: cat /dev/dvd |
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| 21:07.19 | Zrin | I'm trying to add hard drives to an etch box, but it won't boot due to device name shifting, i.e. sda becomes sdb etc. how can I prevent that? |
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| 21:08.00 | MangosDebian | Zrin: remove the device causing the name shift :) or are you using usb? |
| 21:08.01 | mmcji | /dev/hdb in mycase |
| 21:08.07 | valdyn | Zrin: several ways, change bios settings, change cables connecting to mainboard |
| 21:08.16 | lvh | gat-man: cat /etc/fstab | grep ntfs |
| 21:08.19 | valdyn | mmcji: whatever, just access it |
| 21:08.30 | gat-man | what the hell? |
| 21:08.36 | Zrin | MangosDebian: just 3ware, sata and ide |
| 21:08.36 | smacnay | Is iptables+shorewall still a preferred security method or are there other methods now? |
| 21:08.44 | b0nn | Hi all, I have freshly installed etch onto an old machine. I went to install a printer using the wizard, but no drivers showed up for me to select. Any ideas what I should do? |
| 21:08.50 | gat-man | if I just mount a drive, I can open it via root but not gargantua |
| 21:09.06 | gat-man | should I just mount all drives then chmod 755 them? |
| 21:09.07 | mmcji | hmm will i accessed it with another app and that did work, cool, i was thinking i would need to do something like cdcd -p /dev/hdb close...lol never figured something so simple would work..thanks! |
| 21:09.07 | lvh | gat-man: yes, this is called permissions |
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| 21:09.08 | Carlinhos_Mad25 | I need to record skype conversations. any idea? |
| 21:09.11 | Zrin | valdyn: can't do that, there is one 3ware controller and then onboard sata and pata, all with drives |
| 21:09.12 | valdyn | smacnay: lots, i guess shorewall still might be the most sophisticated framework |
| 21:09.14 | lvh | gat-man: no! |
| 21:09.15 | MangosDebian | Zrin: what happened? did you add a drive and everything shifted and now you cant boot? |
| 21:09.19 | gat-man | lvh: why not? |
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| 21:09.35 | lvh | gat-man: whats the point of having permissions if you are just going to override all of them manually? |
| 21:09.42 | Zrin | MangosDebian: correct. when I remove the new drives it boots again |
| 21:09.43 | smacnay | valdyn: this is a simple stand-alone behind a filtering router. |
| 21:09.45 | gat-man | ok good point |
| 21:09.47 | valdyn | Zrin: uh? did I talk to you by mistake? |
| 21:09.49 | lvh | gat-man: if we didnt care about permissions we could just make everything fat32 |
| 21:09.55 | smacnay | valdyn: maybe shorewall is more than I need. |
| 21:10.12 | valdyn | smacnay: sure is, i'd use it just because i know it |
| 21:10.14 | gat-man | lvh: do you care enough to help me via vnc? |
| 21:10.14 | MangosDebian | Zrin: can you not just tell your bios/3ware bios to boot the proper drive? |
| 21:10.20 | Zrin | valdyn: no, I need to fix device names for hard drives somehow, i.e. make them persistent |
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| 21:10.55 | lvh | gat-man: i react poorly to emotional blackmail such as "do you care enough" |
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| 21:11.03 | lvh | gat-man: if you have ssh though, i may be swayed |
| 21:11.13 | valdyn | Zrin: /dev/by-id/ |
| 21:11.14 | lvh | gat-man: even though thats a bad idea |
| 21:11.15 | gat-man | sorry, no ssh. |
| 21:11.16 | Zrin | MangosDebian: it is booting from 3ware, that is not the problem; the problem is that 3ware should become sda, but it shifts to sdb when I connect a new drive to the onboard sata controller |
| 21:11.22 | valdyn | Zrin: sorry, /dev/disk/by-id |
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| 21:11.34 | gargantua | talk here, I am "gat-man" |
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| 21:11.43 | lvh | gargantua: aha |
| 21:11.49 | Zrin | valdyn: shall I change fstab and lilo.conf, then lilo ... ? |
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| 21:11.56 | gargantua | lvh: why not vnc? |
| 21:12.05 | lvh | gargantua: first of all |
| 21:12.07 | MangosDebian | Zrin: can you not change the bios to load the addon cards before the onboard? |
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| 21:12.15 | valdyn | Zrin: lilo? |
| 21:12.19 | lvh | gargantua: /dev/sda5, is that your /home directory or your USERS home directory |
| 21:12.26 | Zrin | MangosDebian: that is not the problem... |
| 21:12.30 | lvh | gargantua: i need to know whats in it to know where it is most likely to go |
| 21:12.50 | gargantua | lvh: huh? |
| 21:12.52 | valdyn | Zrin: are you using debian kernels? |
| 21:12.56 | Zrin | valdyn: yes, lilo :) because it supported sw raid when grub didn't (really nice) |
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| 21:13.00 | MangosDebian | Zrin: yes it is. the first device to get loaded gets sda. |
| 21:13.13 | valdyn | Zrin: that's one funny assumption |
| 21:13.14 | Zrin | valdyn: yes and no, I have both debian and my kernel |
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| 21:13.28 | smacnay | valdyn: shorewall is what I have used on previous systems and is very nice. |
| 21:13.34 | lvh | gargantua: this ntfs partition of yours |
| 21:13.41 | valdyn | Zrin: the by-id directory wont exist early enough if you dont use a deiban initrd |
| 21:13.42 | gargantua | yes, what about it? |
| 21:13.43 | lvh | gargantua: is that your data, or is it your /home directory |
| 21:13.50 | valdyn | Zrin: ( as far as i understand it ) |
| 21:13.55 | lvh | gargantua: what do you expect to see when you mount it somewhere |
| 21:14.07 | gargantua | no, just data, windows' stuff, etc. |
| 21:14.08 | lvh | gargantua: basically, is it /home/gargantua or /home |
| 21:14.19 | MangosDebian | Zrin: normally you cant set wheither a card or onboard gets loaded though unless your running higher end gear |
| 21:14.21 | lvh | gargantua: ok, why are you mounting this on your home directory? |
| 21:14.23 | valdyn | Zrin: your fstab can go by LABEL= too btw |
| 21:14.24 | Zrin | valdyn: can compiling drivers into the kernel instead of leavin them as modules change device order / names? |
| 21:14.24 | gargantua | it's /home/gargantua/ |
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| 21:14.33 | gargantua | lvh: I don't know... |
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| 21:14.41 | lvh | gargantua: ok, it's a bad idea. |
| 21:14.44 | Zrin | valdyn: and root= in lilo? |
| 21:14.53 | valdyn | Zrin: no, but an initrd can run programs before linux the kernel accesses the devices via id |
| 21:14.55 | lvh | gargantua: as plenty of people have said before me |
| 21:14.57 | gargantua | lvh, o'right, so I'll mount to /mnt/ |
| 21:15.03 | lvh | gargantua: no, not yet |
| 21:15.04 | slack101 | MangosDebian, becasue it didnt work the other time ? lol |
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| 21:15.11 | lvh | gargantua: first we need to get you a proper home dir |
| 21:15.34 | Zrin | valdyn: would it be ok to just change root= and fstab to match the new names? |
| 21:15.47 | lvh | gargantua: the easiest way is to get that line out of fstab, make the directory, make your own home directory, and change the permissions |
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| 21:15.54 | MangosDebian | slack101: what didnt work though? something must have been missing for it not to boot a stock kernel. and if thats the case, how you get debian installed? |
| 21:16.01 | valdyn | Zrin: 'new names' ? |
| 21:16.03 | Zrin | valdyn: I guess that would work until something changes (again) |
| 21:16.10 | gargantua | lvh: to be honest; I dunno what a home dir is... |
| 21:16.12 | lvh | gargantua: im assuming you didnt do anything funny like changing the home directory of your user? (if you have no idea what I'm talking about, you probably haven't) |
| 21:16.16 | valdyn | Zrin: if names meant sdb / sda , yea |
| 21:16.17 | Zrin | valdyn: new device names, sda, sdb ... |
| 21:16.39 | Zrin | valdyn: what about adding udev rules, would that help? |
| 21:16.42 | valdyn | Zrin: use an initrd, use a non-dynamic nameing pattern |
| 21:16.45 | lvh | gargantua: your home directory is basically a collection of files and directories that are specifically of your user |
| 21:16.57 | gargantua | ok. |
| 21:16.57 | lvh | gargantua: everything in your home directory is "yours" |
| 21:17.18 | valdyn | Zrin: the idea of making sda static is pointless, since there's by-id. Both require a program to run from an initrd to create the device nodes |
| 21:17.25 | lvh | gargantua: everything i say prefixed with a $ is something i want you to run as user, % is the same but as root |
| 21:17.27 | Zrin | valdyn: I'm using initrd (initramfs), by non-dynamic namig you mean /dev/disk/by-id/? |
| 21:17.37 | valdyn | Zrin: yea |
| 21:17.44 | lvh | gargantua: % mount | grep ntfs |
| 21:17.50 | gargantua | so it's in /home/gargantua, that's where it all ways has been (I just installed debian), I fail to see why that is important to mounting hdds. |
| 21:17.53 | lvh | gargantua: (DONT type the %) |
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| 21:18.25 | Zrin | valdyn: ok, please give me a hint how to check the id of current sdb |
| 21:18.28 | gargantua | localhost:/home/gargantua# mount | grep ntfs |
| 21:18.28 | gargantua | localhost:/home/gargantua# |
| 21:18.32 | gargantua | ok? |
| 21:18.38 | valdyn | Zrin: ls /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 21:18.41 | lvh | gargantua: sure |
| 21:18.46 | gargantua | O'right |
| 21:18.53 | valdyn | Zrin: or 'ls -l' even |
| 21:19.03 | MangosDebian | lvh: personally, if the person im helping doesnt know how to seperate the prompt from the command, I end the conversation :) |
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| 21:19.24 | Zrin | valdyn: ok, I'll try that ... what shall lilo.conf root= contain? |
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| 21:19.28 | lvh | gargantua: i'm going to get you fuse. it's slightly less ugly than ntfs in kernelspace |
| 21:19.40 | lvh | gargantua: what version of debian are you running |
| 21:21.14 | valdyn | Zrin: same thing, /dev/disk/by-id/9401483893598 |
| 21:21.14 | gargantua | MangosDebian: who said I dont know what prompt\command is? |
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| 21:21.23 | gargantua | wow |
| 21:21.23 | Zrin | valdyn: thank you! |
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| 21:21.33 | valdyn | Zrin: wonder why your whole system isnt on lvm though |
| 21:21.34 | valdyn | Zrin: but that's a different topic.. |
| 21:21.34 | gargantua | lvh, you there? |
| 21:21.35 | lvh | gargantua: yep. |
| 21:21.35 | DragoraN | is there a chnnel for thunderbird? |
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| 21:21.35 | gargantua | ok |
| 21:21.35 | MangosDebian | bah, scroled off my screen, who spoke to me now? |
| 21:21.35 | lvh | gargantua: what version of debian are you running |
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| 21:21.35 | piukeman | _ |
| 21:21.36 | gargantua | lvh: latest one, forgot the codename. |
| 21:21.36 | gargantua | etch I think |
| 21:21.36 | valdyn | Zrin: reinstall the kernel .deb btw |
| 21:21.37 | valdyn | Zrin: or dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 21:21.37 | DragoraN | is there a chnnel for thunderbird? |
| 21:21.37 | lvh | gargantua: sec |
| 21:21.37 | piukeman | hi, may i ask a bit of help....? |
| 21:21.37 | Zrin | valdyn: I have lvm, but root isn't on it |
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| 21:21.37 | lvh | gargantua: im not running that so i need to figure out what you have availible to you |
| 21:21.37 | gargantua | DragoraN: try #firebird @ irc.mozilla.org |
| 21:21.37 | valdyn | I see |
| 21:21.37 | piukeman | i own an HP laptop.......and my integrated wifi it 's not compatible with linux |
| 21:21.39 | gargantua | lvh: ok |
| 21:21.40 | lvh | gargantua: are you identified on freenode |
| 21:21.41 | Zrin | valdyn: why shall I reinstall the kernel? to update initrd? |
| 21:21.46 | lvh | gargantua: you need to be for pm's |
| 21:21.46 | piukeman | so i will buy and usb wifi |
| 21:21.54 | piukeman | can any help in my choise |
| 21:21.59 | valdyn | Zrin: yea. I dont really know if that is necessary, but it might be.. |
| 21:22.01 | gargantua | lvh, ok, one sec, gargantua isn;' |
| 21:22.11 | slack101 | MangosDebian, the debian kernel works fine |
| 21:22.14 | Zrin | valdyn: ok, thanks alot |
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| 21:22.30 | slack101 | MangosDebian, so does the Vserver kernel thats in the etch |
| 21:22.48 | piukeman | i have these one in mine that 's support linux |
| 21:22.49 | piukeman | http://www.eusso.com/Models/Wireless/UGL2454-U2Z/UGL2454-U2Z.htm |
| 21:22.49 | gat-man | ok. I am recognized. |
| 21:22.58 | lvh | gargantua: apt-cache search fuse ntfs |
| 21:23.03 | MangosDebian | slack101: but whats missing that you need a recompile for? |
| 21:23.11 | lvh | gat-man: whisper me the output |
| 21:23.14 | k1piee | hey |
| 21:23.16 | gat-man | ntfsprogs? |
| 21:23.17 | rlc` | hey |
| 21:23.19 | lvh | hail, k1piee |
| 21:23.22 | MangosDebian | slack101: or did you patch the kernel for something? |
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| 21:23.30 | lvh | gat-man: libntfs something hopefully |
| 21:23.42 | gat-man | ntfsprogs |
| 21:23.42 | lvh | ntfsprogs - tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux |
| 21:23.45 | gat-man | that's what I got |
| 21:23.45 | piukeman | usb wifi compatible with linux .....? wich one is these ok ............. http://www.eusso.com/Models/Wireless/UGL2454-U2Z/UGL2454-U2Z.htm |
| 21:23.51 | k1piee | good |
| 21:23.52 | rlc` | ?? |
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| 21:24.01 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i patched it yes |
| 21:24.04 | lvh | I always consider that to be "tools for doing neat things _to_ ntfs partitions from linux" |
| 21:24.31 | MangosDebian | slack101: i assume your mid compile already? |
| 21:24.31 | gat-man | lvh: well should I install it? |
| 21:24.36 | Zrin | valdyn: I've found /dev/disk/by-uuid, I guess that will do as well (no by-id here, 2.6.21.5) |
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| 21:24.40 | slack101 | MangosDebian, no |
| 21:24.44 | lvh | gat-man: i dont think ntfsprogs has ntfsmount but i'm not sure, lemme check |
| 21:24.58 | slack101 | MangosDebian, maybe im using the wrong config i dunno |
| 21:25.16 | MangosDebian | slack101: cause it should only take you about 2 or 3 minutes to bring in the old config, answer the new config questions and start compile if you do it right |
| 21:25.46 | lvh | oh, ffs |
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| 21:25.53 | lvh | there is no backport of ntfs3g for etch |
| 21:25.59 | slack101 | MangosDebian, questions ? |
| 21:26.06 | gat-man | lvh: I installed it. |
| 21:26.08 | lvh | I'm going to bang my head against the wall for a bit now |
| 21:26.19 | lvh | gat-man: i don't remmeber asking you to |
| 21:26.25 | gat-man | lvh: why? what did I do? |
| 21:26.35 | lvh | gat-man: that package is useless to you, it won't help you acchieve what you want |
| 21:26.47 | gat-man | Well, I'm sorry, I didn't know. |
| 21:26.48 | lvh | gat-man: sudo apt-get --purge remove ntfsprogs |
| 21:26.54 | MangosDebian | slack101: 1) cp /boot/config-XXXXX /usr/src/linux/.config ; patch kernel ; make oldconfig (answer new questions from patch) ; make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 21:27.06 | gat-man | lvh: done and done |
| 21:27.08 | lvh | gat-man: be thankful it doesnt conflict with glibc |
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| 21:27.33 | MangosDebian | slack101: make oldconfig will stop on anything new (ie: your patch) |
| 21:27.45 | lvh | gat-man: give me a second, trying to fix your permissions problem |
| 21:27.49 | gat-man | ok |
| 21:28.03 | gat-man | lvh: I'll be right back |
| 21:28.26 | Zrin | valdyn: I've found my root partition sda1 to be /dev/disk/by-uuid/1f982b5d-fe42-468e-8704-7c42f1ee53d4, but there is no entry for sda, so what shall I set for lilo instead of boot=/dev/sda ? |
| 21:28.29 | lvh | gat-man: $ sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs && mount /dev/sda5 -t ntfs -o umask=0002,nls=utf8 |
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| 21:28.38 | lvh | gat-man: this is assuming!!! that sda5 is your ntfs partition |
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| 21:28.49 | MangosDebian | slack101: more specifically, it will stop and ask for any setting in the kernel source that doesnt exist in the .config file |
| 21:29.43 | MangosDebian | slack101: after that, you can make menuconfig and tweak a few things like cpu and such. but otherwise i suggest keeping everything else the same |
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| 21:30.24 | lvh | MangosDebian: I'm beginning to like this "ntfs -> run away screaming" policy |
| 21:30.37 | MangosDebian | lvh: :) |
| 21:30.52 | gat-man | ok back |
| 21:31.33 | gat-man | /mnt/ntfs all ready exists, so I am not going to create it... |
| 21:31.40 | MangosDebian | lvh: its the users that have the "ummm, whats a light switch?" attitude with linux I try avoid mostly though |
| 21:32.40 | lvh | gat-man: there is no harm in running it anyway |
| 21:32.59 | lvh | MangosDebian: actually, the ones that try to think but actually have zero clue what they |
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| 21:33.10 | lvh | MangosDebian: are doing are worse imho |
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| 21:33.36 | lvh | MangosDebian: I've seen someone use "neat pipes" to append something to a file. Turns out he was talking about >, whereas obviously he wanted >> |
| 21:33.53 | lvh | MangosDebian: that file was fstab. |
| 21:34.00 | lvh | MangosDebian: I told him to reboot after appending that line. |
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| 21:34.15 | MangosDebian | lvh: least thats a tad easier to deal with. they have somewhat of a clue |
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| 21:34.33 | lvh | gat-man: you have mounted it with that command, correct |
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| 21:34.59 | gat-man | lvh: I dunno what this is; but this is the output I got: http://24.64.120.79/error.txt |
| 21:35.28 | lvh | gat-man: oops, my bad |
| 21:35.37 | gat-man | it is??? |
| 21:35.45 | gat-man | lol, I thought I did something wrong. |
| 21:35.55 | lvh | gat-man: mount -t ntfs -o umask=0002,nls=utf8 /dev/sda5 /mnt/ntfs |
| 21:36.15 | gat-man | lvh: IT WORKS! |
| 21:36.19 | lvh | gat-man: i wanted to mount your /dev/sda5, but forgot to tell mount where to mount it |
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| 21:36.27 | lvh | gat-man: no it doesn't, yet |
| 21:36.28 | gat-man | yeah, that's what I thought too. |
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| 21:36.32 | lvh | gat-man: at beast, it fails silently. |
| 21:36.37 | lvh | gat-man: *best even |
| 21:36.51 | lvh | gat-man: you're running as user or as root now? |
| 21:36.55 | gat-man | well, it seems like I have access to it, but continue. |
| 21:37.09 | MangosDebian | gat-man: and your using ntfs because? |
| 21:37.09 | gat-man | the desktop? user of course. |
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| 21:37.27 | gat-man | MangosDebian: you're* |
| 21:37.28 | lvh | gat-man: because you told me you were in a su shell earlier :) |
| 21:37.30 | gat-man | MangosDebian: :) |
| 21:37.46 | logd | hi, some1 ever heard of a program whose executable is "cu" and that works pretty like as minicom ? |
| 21:37.48 | lvh | gat-man: you can read that directory _AS YOUR USER_? |
| 21:37.58 | gat-man | lvh: yep. |
| 21:38.06 | lvh | gat-man: /mnt/ntfs? |
| 21:38.18 | lvh | gat-man: i don't even want to know why that works |
| 21:38.20 | gat-man | I can just click the shortcut on the desktop. |
| 21:38.26 | lvh | gat-man: oh |
| 21:38.41 | lvh | gat-man: the problem with desktop shortcuts i can't see is that i have no idea what they actually doe |
| 21:38.44 | lvh | gat-man: *do |
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| 21:39.05 | lvh | gat-man: can you edit /etc/fstab as root for me please |
| 21:39.12 | MangosDebian | logd: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search cu | grep "/cu$" |
| 21:39.20 | lvh | gat-man: remove whatever line you have that contains /dev/sda5 or an ntfs partition |
| 21:39.39 | lvh | gat-man: add: /dev/sda5 /mnt/ntfs ntfs ro,umask=0002,nls=utf8 |
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| 21:39.52 | gat-man | localhost:/home/gargantua# /etc/fstab |
| 21:39.52 | gat-man | bash: /etc/fstab: Permission denied |
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| 21:40.00 | lvh | gat-man: as far as i know you still dont have a proper home dir which i find disturbing |
| 21:40.05 | gat-man | keep in mind: I am running under root. |
| 21:40.06 | lvh | gat-man: i said edit |
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| 21:40.14 | lvh | gat-man: not try to execute |
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| 21:40.21 | gat-man | but it's a directory, how can I edit it? |
| 21:40.26 | lvh | gat-man: what editors do you know how to use |
| 21:40.27 | msr | hello |
| 21:40.37 | lvh | gat-man: if your /etc/fstab is a directory im pretty sure your system won't boot |
| 21:40.42 | msr | i`m using debian etch + pppoe |
| 21:40.43 | lvh | gat-man: it's a file. |
| 21:40.54 | msr | my debian hang down , no signal |
| 21:40.57 | msr | randam time |
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| 21:41.06 | gat-man | lvh: ok, I have it open in gedit, now what? |
| 21:41.16 | lvh | gat-man: you can open gedit as root? |
| 21:41.22 | lvh | gat-man: i find that disturbing |
| 21:41.25 | gat-man | lvh: yes. |
| 21:41.29 | gat-man | lvh: why? |
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| 21:41.34 | lvh | gat-man: your gedit is probably running as user, i think |
| 21:41.42 | EmleyMoor | I have installed asterisk-web-vmail, found a bug report that covers the permissions, but discovered that it finds no messages, even when there are some |
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| 21:41.52 | gat-man | lvh: no, I can write. |
| 21:41.56 | lvh | gat-man: im not familiar with gedit, but its strange that it gets to open windows in an X session thats doesnt belong to it |
| 21:41.58 | cTaT1k | So is the latest Debian release 4.0 or 4.0r0? |
| 21:41.59 | gat-man | s/write/save/ |
| 21:42.00 | lvh | gat-man: anyway |
| 21:42.15 | mith | cTaT1k: yes |
| 21:42.17 | lvh | gat-man: do what i told you to, remove all lines (well, one line at max) that has /dev/sda5 in it |
| 21:42.29 | MangosDebian | cTaT1k: 4.0 implies 4.0r0 atm since r1 doesnt exist yet |
| 21:42.30 | msr | help me |
| 21:42.36 | stew | cTaT1k: both are accurate 4.0r0 is more specific |
| 21:42.43 | gat-man | nothing has /dev/sda5 in it. |
| 21:42.47 | lvh | gat-man: add the following line (to the end, or anywhere) /dev/sda5 /mnt/ntfs ntfs ro,umask=0002,nls=utf8 |
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| 21:42.50 | lvh | gat-man: good |
| 21:42.59 | gat-man | lvh: great* |
| 21:43.05 | stew | cTaT1k: r0 indicating that it is still the initial release and no revision has yet been released |
| 21:43.41 | lvh | gat-man: that line starts with a /, and ends with an 8. the spaces in between can be tabs for pretty formatting |
| 21:43.55 | lvh | gat-man: even though its probably safest to copy paste that |
| 21:44.27 | cTaT1k | Was rev0 released as soon as etch became stable, or is rev0 actually a revision of the original 4.0 release? |
| 21:44.35 | lvh | gat-man: this will mount that volume (to use windows terminology) as read only |
| 21:44.36 | gat-man | http://24.64.120.79/error.txt |
| 21:44.38 | lvh | cTaT1k: the first one |
| 21:44.40 | gat-man | that's the file... |
| 21:44.55 | cTaT1k | lvh: Thanks. |
| 21:45.06 | lvh | gat-man: you need to add the line i gave you to the end |
| 21:45.20 | lvh | gat-man: /dev/sda5 /mnt/ntfs ntfs ro,umask=0002,nls=utf8 |
| 21:45.21 | gat-man | what line did you give me> |
| 21:45.29 | gat-man | oh ok |
| 21:45.39 | lvh | gat-man: that will automagically mount your ntfs partition at boot time, in a way that works |
| 21:45.46 | lvh | gat-man: and most importantly, as read-only |
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| 21:46.02 | gat-man | ok, but why can't I have it on write? |
| 21:46.06 | lvh | gat-man: if you want to write, change ro to rw. i refuse to write that line with rw access, you do it manually. |
| 21:46.21 | gat-man | lvh: is it safe? |
| 21:46.26 | lvh | gat-man: because your problem is not described by getting ntfs to work. your problem is described by using ntfs |
| 21:46.30 | themill | How does a debian package map a file extension to application/x-my-mime-type? |
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| 21:46.39 | lvh | gat-man: no. you can get away with it, though. |
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| 21:46.49 | lvh | gat-man: lets say i wouldnt do that without a proper backup |
| 21:46.55 | MangosDebian | gat-man: ntfs support in the kernel is "experimental" for reasons |
| 21:46.57 | gat-man | lvh: meh, I am leaving it on read only |
| 21:47.01 | lvh | gat-man: i havent seen it go wrong since the new driver (2.6.11 and onwards) |
| 21:47.04 | lvh | gat-man: good boy |
| 21:47.07 | lvh | gat-man: have a cookie |
| 21:47.10 | gat-man | lol |
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| 21:47.18 | lvh | as i have said before |
| 21:47.24 | lvh | gat-man: because your problem is not described by getting ntfs to work. your problem is described by using ntfs |
| 21:47.40 | MangosDebian | gat-man: i think its under the "if its wipes all your data, dont say we didnt warn you" section |
| 21:47.58 | lvh | or possibly, if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces |
| 21:48.03 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 21:48.16 | lvh | if it eats your data, you get to keep the hard drive |
| 21:49.00 | gat-man | lvh: ok, so is will it work now? |
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| 21:49.28 | lvh | for the supersitious, you can test your luck by using netcat over a pre-802.11 wifi network to copy from a reiser4 partition to an ntfs partition |
| 21:49.44 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 21:49.48 | lvh | use it on your only copy of your phd thesis for kicks |
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| 21:50.04 | jair | jelly: Hello are you there ? I got the qla working finally :) |
| 21:50.09 | lvh | gat-man: it wont *work*, but it will do what it did earlier, which seemed to make you happy |
| 21:50.11 | oxylin | Hi everybody, I have trouble with nvidia drivers under unstable, someone can help me? |
| 21:50.14 | MangosDebian | lvh: you should have played the lottery that day |
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| 21:50.25 | jair | jelly-home: Hello, are you the same person? "jelly"? |
| 21:50.41 | lvh | oxylin: if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces |
| 21:50.45 | gat-man | lvh: so I can access my files as a user, right? |
| 21:50.55 | jair | guys how can see the "WWN" port of the qlogic HBA when I am in debian? |
| 21:51.03 | oxylin | lvh, ? waht do you mean? |
| 21:51.14 | lvh | oxylin: please have the following data ready: kernel version, nvidia version , xorg version |
| 21:51.21 | lvh | oxylin: why do you think it's called unstable? |
| 21:51.27 | MangosDebian | oxylin: in unstable you get to help yourself I think he means :) |
| 21:51.44 | lvh | gat-man: you should be able to |
| 21:51.50 | oxylin | MangosDebian, glups... |
| 21:52.14 | gat-man | lvh: ok, just one more question, will I have to follow the same steps to get my ext3 partation to work? |
| 21:52.15 | lvh | gat-man: then again, i've never seen ntfs work the way i want it to |
| 21:52.46 | lvh | gat-man: your ext3 partition will work automagically unless it wasnt there when you installed, probably |
| 21:52.48 | MangosDebian | lvh: works fine for me......on windows |
| 21:53.18 | gat-man | lvh: I dont see it anywhere... |
| 21:53.22 | lvh | MangosDebian: making a working driver is indeed a nice challenge if all you have is a working implementation that doesnt even agree with itself |
| 21:53.27 | IsoLnCHiP | Hi. Im having trouble playing videos. Worst case: kernel crash, mild cases: no video, just blue area where the video should be. Any ideas? (running on uptodate testing) |
| 21:53.28 | oxylin | lvh, kernel version: 2.6.21-1-k7, xorg version 1.7.2-5, nvidia version 96xx |
| 21:53.42 | lvh | gat-man: sudo cat /etc/mtab | grep ext3 |
| 21:54.06 | gat-man | localhost:/home/gargantua# sudo cat /etc/mtab | grep ext3 |
| 21:54.06 | gat-man | /dev/sda9 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0 |
| 21:54.17 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: do we get to guess what you are playing those videos with? |
| 21:55.05 | lvh | oxylin: installing manually then? (ie not using the debian packaged nvidia thingies) |
| 21:55.08 | lvh | gat-man: it's already mounted automagically |
| 21:55.22 | lvh | gat-man: thats your root partition, trust me, you'd notice if it went missing |
| 21:55.26 | IsoLnCHiP | lvh: pardon. tryed the gnome standard player (totem, or whats it called) and vlc |
| 21:55.40 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: tried mplayer -vo sdl? |
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| 21:55.54 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: what video card are you using, and what driver (assuming you're using X) |
| 21:55.55 | oxylin | lvh, I tried packaged and manual method, but both don't work |
| 21:56.02 | gat-man | lvH: i cant find it. |
| 21:56.02 | gat-man | lvh: no, that's my ubuntu partation. |
| 21:56.03 | pedro_mg | Compiz is on Etch reps, but is there any Compiz Manager like in Ubuntu ? |
| 21:56.12 | lvh | oxylin: we want an error message |
| 21:56.19 | MangosDebian | slack101: so...... |
| 21:56.23 | lvh | gat-man: your ubuntu partition is currently mounted as root? |
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| 21:56.25 | IsoLnCHiP | lvh: will give it a try, but suspecting a video card issue, nothing else makes sence to me to get a kernel freeze. |
| 21:56.26 | oxylin | lvh, despite the module is install, xorg says that it cannot found the driver |
| 21:56.34 | gat-man | lvh: ...huh? |
| 21:56.41 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: are you SURE its a kernel freeze? |
| 21:56.47 | lvh | oxylin: paste me the error on pastebin |
| 21:56.57 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: ie you cant get on the box with ssh, for example |
| 21:57.03 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: it might just be a screen freeze |
| 21:57.12 | MangosDebian | or a brain fre....nm |
| 21:57.26 | lvh | gat-man: /dev/sda3 is your ubuntu partition, correct? |
| 21:57.29 | IsoLnCHiP | lvh: lspci states its a "Intel Corporation 82852/855GM" onboard laptop grafics card |
| 21:57.29 | oxylin | lvh, what's the adress for pastebin? |
| 21:57.39 | lvh | gat-man: /dev/sda9 is your ubuntu partition, correct? |
| 21:57.44 | lvh | gat-man: sda3 is a thinko |
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| 21:57.53 | lvh | oxylin: pastebin.ca |
| 21:58.24 | IsoLnCHiP | lvh: the caps lock key doesnt even toggle, it doesnt respond to C+A+del etc. feels allot like a kernel freeze ;) |
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| 21:58.44 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: hm. |
| 21:58.47 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: still, not convinced |
| 21:58.53 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: chuck me your xorg.conf on pastebin |
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| 21:59.10 | smacnay_ | Boy, is my machine ever running better after I rolled my own kernel. |
| 21:59.15 | gat-man | lvh: does it just not like me? http://24.64.120.79/error.txt |
| 21:59.21 | smacnay_ | Haven't done it in a while but it was worth it. |
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| 21:59.27 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i didnt know about that command |
| 21:59.27 | MangosDebian | IsoLnCHiP: could always try the sysreq key to kill foreground process or flush and reboot |
| 21:59.35 | lvh | gat-man: i cant help you if you dont answer my questions |
| 21:59.43 | MangosDebian | slack101: ? i assume your compiling already? |
| 21:59.44 | smacnay_ | Does OO import .tex files? I am not in X right now. |
| 21:59.48 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i jus did make menuconfig saved make modules and make and then install |
| 21:59.49 | stoned | hey mango man whats up |
| 21:59.49 | gat-man | lvh: I really don't know... |
| 21:59.59 | gat-man | lvh: I dont know the answer. |
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| 22:00.01 | dondelelcaro | smacnay_: I've never known it to |
| 22:00.08 | smacnay_ | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 22:00.12 | dondelelcaro | smacnay_: it'd probably just read them as text. |
| 22:00.23 | smacnay_ | dondelelcaro: yes, what about pdf? |
| 22:00.26 | lvh | gat-man: then how do you know I'm wrong about /dev/sda9 being the ext3 partition you're looking for? |
| 22:00.31 | lvh | gat-man: what are you expecting? |
| 22:00.33 | stoned | is there an docx file reader in linux? |
| 22:00.35 | the_angry_angel | Would the following strike anyone as odd; lwresd was running from /sbin/ until I did an apt-get remove and another install.. known packaging issue, or something sinister? |
| 22:00.43 | gat-man | lvh: I have over 8 partations |
| 22:00.57 | stoned | I've tried all i know and the only thing that opens .docx files is MS office 07 |
| 22:00.57 | gat-man | and I just want to mount the NTFS ones first. |
| 22:00.57 | MangosDebian | stoned: me? |
| 22:01.02 | lvh | gat-man: sda8 is not an ntfs partition |
| 22:01.06 | stoned | MangosDebian: you see another mango guy in here? |
| 22:01.12 | smacnay_ | dondelelcaro: I have a bunch of files I made with latex but my new "testing" install cannot install texlive or tetex so I can't work on the files - maybe I will open the raw .tex files and just reformat in OO for now. |
| 22:01.14 | gat-man | lvh: you know that how? |
| 22:01.17 | Exy | What free games have the best graphics in Linux? |
| 22:01.24 | stoned | !debgames |
| 22:01.25 | dpkg | debgames is, like, debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 22:01.27 | MangosDebian | stoned: could have been mandingo's alias ;) heya |
| 22:01.31 | lvh | gat-man: by reading the error message |
| 22:01.33 | stoned | try happy penguin |
| 22:01.41 | stoned | I'd say tremulous, cube/cube2 |
| 22:01.48 | stoned | what else |
| 22:01.52 | slack101 | MangosDebian, no im not compiling yet |
| 22:01.54 | lvh | gat-man: try doing what it says and feed me sudo dmesg | tail |
| 22:01.56 | gat-man | lvh: well, NONE of the other ones work either. |
| 22:01.57 | Exy | stoned, That page doesn't answer the question, I'll try those though |
| 22:02.09 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i first need ot remove the old kernel |
| 22:02.10 | smacnay_ | Exy: bzflag isn't bad. |
| 22:02.13 | MangosDebian | slack101: if you use make-kpkg you wont need to make modules |
| 22:02.18 | lvh | gat-man: what are you talking about? you said the /dev/sda5 one worked fine |
| 22:02.33 | gat-man | ok I got it |
| 22:02.36 | Exy | smacnay, Is that honestly one of the games with the best graphics? If so them I'm worried |
| 22:02.36 | slack101 | MangosDebian, yea i know i jus said that |
| 22:02.36 | MangosDebian | slack101: nah, thats a sure way to not be able to boot if you mess up |
| 22:02.37 | stoned | Exy: that page does answer your question. It lists the games, you go and you check em out, and see the one you like |
| 22:02.43 | gat-man | thanks for the help, lvh. |
| 22:02.52 | dondelelcaro | smacnay_: ah; yeah, you can probably get texlive to install if you add unstable, pinned high enough. |
| 22:02.52 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i meant the failed kernel |
| 22:02.56 | dondelelcaro | s/high/low/ |
| 22:03.03 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i dont know what the package name is hmmmmm to remove it |
| 22:03.08 | smacnay_ | Exy: maybe not the best graphics... I don't spend a ton of time playing games so I haven't tried too many. |
| 22:03.10 | Exy | stoned, I asked for the best looking ones, not a list of every single one available... |
| 22:03.15 | MangosDebian | slack101: sorry. anyways, make-kpkg --revision and --append-to-version avoid renaming module dir in /lib/modules |
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| 22:03.28 | dondelelcaro | smacnay_: I'm actually using it in unstable now, and it works fairly well, with the advantage of having a lot of the extra sty and cls I have manually installed already included. |
| 22:03.30 | stoned | Exy: jdoom + freedoom iwads |
| 22:03.36 | slack101 | i need ot remove the old package |
| 22:03.40 | esaym | reportbug-ng stopped working after an update in testing. Anyone have a clue? |
| 22:03.41 | stoned | Exy: classic doom in updated 3d graphics and engine |
| 22:03.41 | lvh | btw, starting now, i'm adopting the 'ntfs -> run away screaming' doctrine |
| 22:03.52 | lvh | esaym: tried downgrading? |
| 22:03.55 | stoned | I like the smc graphics too, not 3d, but very nice |
| 22:03.56 | stoned | !smc |
| 22:03.56 | dpkg | hmm... smc is the Self-Made Critic at http://www.brunching.com/selfmade/ Secret Maryo Chronicles is an Open Source two-dimensional platform game with a style designed similar to classic sidescroller games. which utilizes the platform independent libray, SDL and since Version 0.98 with the OpenGL accelerated Graphics Renderer developed in C++. http://www.secretmaryo.org/ |
| 22:04.02 | gat-man | lvh: it wasn't ntfs falt, it was mine... |
| 22:04.07 | stoned | smc is available on sid as well |
| 22:04.08 | slack101 | MangosDebian, how can i find out what my failed kernel package is called ? |
| 22:04.18 | lvh | gat-man: ntfs makes you make faults. |
| 22:04.29 | Exy | stoned, Ok thanks, I think I'll stick to commercial games, heh |
| 22:04.39 | gat-man | lvh: no not really, |
| 22:04.43 | esaym | lvh: no, reportbug did not upgrade but a bunch of gtk stuff did. It will open but it will not find any packages, it just stays blank |
| 22:04.44 | slack101 | MangosDebian, how can i browse all packages too ? |
| 22:04.51 | MangosDebian | slack101: you mean the original installed kernel? dpkg --get-selections | less |
| 22:05.00 | jair | where can I find the port# address or what is known as "wwn"? it is similar than a mac address in debian etc? |
| 22:05.00 | stoned | Exy: yup... I just beat the matrix path of neo, and I also beat oblivion a few times, finished all the quests, I mean ALL of them, every single one |
| 22:05.03 | slack101 | not the oprigianl |
| 22:05.03 | jair | etch? |
| 22:05.04 | lvh | if ntfs were a sentient being, it would be tried at The Hague |
| 22:05.07 | slack101 | the failed Vserver one |
| 22:05.10 | stoned | now I don't need xp anymore, so I went back to debian |
| 22:05.11 | gat-man | just because it's not compatible with linux it doesnt meean that it sucks. |
| 22:05.14 | slack101 | that i used make kpkg with |
| 22:05.16 | stoned | I also almost installed ubuntu |
| 22:05.25 | stoned | then I slapped myself and went back to debian |
| 22:05.45 | Exy | stoned, Still working through Oblivion myself |
| 22:06.12 | stoned | Exy: I have not yet played the expansion shivering isles, but will get xp back when i do it |
| 22:06.20 | MangosDebian | slack101: if you used make-kpkg and it made a deb, you would have installed it with dpkg -i <filename>, just apt-get remove based on that name |
| 22:06.38 | stoned | Exy: I keep ghosted copies of xp partitions and linux partitions etc. so reinstall takes 5-10 minutes, fully functional working system |
| 22:06.39 | MangosDebian | slack101: not sure if you can dpkg --remove <filename> though |
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| 22:06.43 | stoned | Exy: no need to install crap |
| 22:07.01 | lvh | esaym: im afraid i don't use gtk, or reportbug-ng (or qt or anything other than xterm+ncurses for that matter), so I cant help you with your specific issue |
| 22:07.16 | lvh | esaym: try filing a bug (I know reportbug-ng just died. irony's a bitch) |
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| 22:07.39 | IsoLnCHiP | lvh: Ok, I checked mplayer, same problem (blue overlay, no vid), posted xorg.conf to http://paste.debian.net/31943 |
| 22:07.48 | stoned | is happy pengin down? |
| 22:08.09 | stoned | http://happypenguin.org/ |
| 22:08.10 | Exy | stoned, Ah, this is why I work on Wine, to prevent having to use Windows, heh |
| 22:08.11 | esaym | hmm |
| 22:08.24 | stoned | can anyone check it, I get dns error, page not found |
| 22:08.31 | slack101 | MangosDebian, did the make kpkg thing make more then 1 package ? |
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| 22:08.36 | slack101 | or just make one package ? |
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| 22:09.09 | Ronin | works here stoned |
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| 22:09.12 | stoned | Exy: http://happypenguin.org/images/warzone_2100.jpg |
| 22:09.20 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: you're sure you're not running ubuntu? |
| 22:09.31 | stoned | Exy: http://happypenguin.org/show?Warzone%202100 awesome game |
| 22:09.43 | MangosDebian | slack101: dpeneds if you make the modules package, but generally just one |
| 22:09.57 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: apparently this is/has been a common bug in the Xv part of the i810 driver in ubuntu |
| 22:10.03 | stoned | Ronin: yeh it work snow |
| 22:10.07 | stoned | i dunno why it timed out |
| 22:10.13 | Exy | stoned, Heh, I'll stick with Act of War |
| 22:10.28 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: try mplayer -vo sdl |
| 22:10.32 | stoned | man if i could play God of War on linux i'd never go back to my ps2 |
| 22:10.32 | stoned | heh |
| 22:10.36 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: (assuming you have sdl) |
| 22:10.39 | slack101 | so linux-image-2.6.21.5-vs2.2.0-rc3 MangosDebian that should be the only package ? |
| 22:10.40 | IsoLnCHiP | lvh: Nope, debian testing |
| 22:11.22 | MangosDebian | slack101: well, should be a .deb on the end if that was it. but that looks strange. you add the vs2 and rc3 yourself? |
| 22:11.35 | Exy | ugh, God of War, that game makes me sick |
| 22:11.54 | IsoLnCHiP | lvh: blue area again, also with sdl video out |
| 22:12.04 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: but no kernel crash? |
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| 22:12.24 | smacnay_ | dondelelcaro: ah yes, pinning. I did that on my last install and had no trouble. I can't imagine a package like tex would stay broken in testing for too long... (I hope not at least). |
| 22:12.34 | MangosDebian | slack101: i mean, if you manually set the extraversion field and stuff then its probably fine, but it should be a .deb |
| 22:12.36 | slack101 | MangosDebian, no |
| 22:12.45 | IsoLnCHiP | lvh: gladly so far not again yet, otherwise my irc session would be gone ;-/ |
| 22:12.57 | esaym | n/m about reportbug-ng. It is in unstable only and it was updated. I just had to get the right version.... |
| 22:13.05 | esaym | thanks for the help |
| 22:13.14 | IsoLnCHiP | lvh: What might also be related to the problem, glxgears reports 150 FPS but runs reaaaaaly choppy |
| 22:13.17 | MangosDebian | slack101: did you make install the last failed compile? |
| 22:13.19 | solemnwarning | I've got two directories, they share most inodes |
| 22:13.29 | smacnay_ | Wow, archiving a large group of dir in X has made me switch to console. |
| 22:13.42 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log and gief it to me in a paste bin. |
| 22:13.51 | solemnwarning | Can I recursively list the changed files/inodes from two dir trees? |
| 22:14.26 | Zrin | what is the best way to get via vt8251 (sata controller) to play nicely? I've tried 2.6.21.5 now, but I'm getting "qc timeout" and "failed to IDENTIFY" |
| 22:14.33 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: diff? |
| 22:14.54 | pedro_mg | Compiz is on Etch reps, but is there any Compiz Manager like in Ubuntu ? |
| 22:14.58 | slack101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.08 | IsoLnCHiP | lvh: uploading in a sec but I allready see some EE related to DRI, sounds fishy |
| 22:15.25 | MangosDebian | slack101: ok, but did you use make kpkg or make-kpkg? |
| 22:15.31 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: most likely connected |
| 22:15.39 | dondelelcaro | smacnay_: nah, it should be fixed shortly. |
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| 22:16.17 | IsoLnCHiP | lvh: http://paste.debian.net/31948 |
| 22:17.53 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to create incremental backups with rsync, why would my backup dirs include links to non-existant files? |
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| 22:18.10 | solemnwarning | wait, nvm |
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| 22:18.19 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: relative symlinks |
| 22:18.23 | solemnwarning | yeah |
| 22:18.31 | solemnwarning | I thought it was creating messed up hard links >.< |
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| 22:18.52 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: heh, well rsync method, you arent meant to "use" the backup |
| 22:19.13 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to compare two backups to make sure it's working properly |
| 22:19.14 | MangosDebian | unless you dereference the links on backup |
| 22:19.31 | oxylin | lvh, If you have any soluce to install the nvidia driver, I'm interested... If you have a nice and better way to do |
| 22:19.39 | solemnwarning | Is there anything that just produces a list of changed files between two dir trees, ignoring symlinks? |
| 22:19.54 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: try changing i810 to intel (driver in xorg.conf) |
| 22:20.02 | solemnwarning | Well, not derefrencing them |
| 22:20.03 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: just hand verify a few files (hard link, soft link, normal file, dir). if they check out, its prolly safe to assume you got it right |
| 22:20.07 | lvh | oxylin: try "not running unstable" |
| 22:20.09 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 22:20.10 | lvh | oxylin: does it for me |
| 22:20.35 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: then tar up the original, rm -rf it and try restore your backup |
| 22:20.41 | lvh | imho installing something from unstable should force you to type a long string |
| 22:20.51 | oxylin | lvh, why do you say that? |
| 22:20.57 | oxylin | it's so bad? |
| 22:21.16 | lvh | or possibly the same one you get when you try to zap glibc (Yes, do as I say!) |
| 22:21.20 | lvh | oxylin: yes. |
| 22:21.25 | IsoLnCHiP | lvh: Will try that, also found this just now http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-5bc0296170d3ffbabad940201aba6aa40c603f17 |
| 22:21.32 | lvh | oxylin: its called unstable because it IS UNSTABLE |
| 22:21.41 | lvh | oxylin: you essentially forfeit all support when using it |
| 22:22.02 | lvh | oxylin: any package in unstable that works does so by pure luck of the draw |
| 22:22.08 | oxylin | it's possible to downgrade to testing? or it's so bad too? |
| 22:22.22 | lvh | oxylin: testing is reasonable but downgrading is a bitch |
| 22:22.23 | scrillaz | testing got bleeding edge software right? |
| 22:22.29 | lvh | dpkg, downgrading |
| 22:22.29 | dpkg | it has been said that downgrading is something you do NOT want to do if you're not an expert. some important files might move from a package to an other during an upgrade (eg: /sbin/ldconfig moved from ldso to libc6 during potato->woody). if you downgrade to former packages that couldn't know that fact, you might lose these files (if you lost /sbin/ldconfig , no lib package can install correctly, including libc6 !). There are other problems for sure... |
| 22:22.41 | scrillaz | cos am using it and it works real good |
| 22:22.42 | lvh | scrillaz: thats experimental/incoming/unstable |
| 22:22.52 | scrillaz | aight |
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| 22:23.18 | MangosDebian | wouldnt you be able to hold on a sid version for a week or two until all the packages have migrated to testing, then update to testing without issues? |
| 22:23.54 | lvh | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a7/Debian-package-cycle.png |
| 22:23.56 | MangosDebian | well, assuming everything you have installed has moved to testing and has equal or greater ver in testing than you had from sid i mean |
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| 22:24.42 | MangosDebian | lvh: lol, whoever designed that was on glue :p |
| 22:25.00 | lvh | true, but its reasonably accurate |
| 22:25.16 | lvh | MangosDebian: I have been persuaded to color that diagram |
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| 22:25.36 | lvh | MangosDebian: I've always felt that testing is orange wheras unstable is purple...ish. |
| 22:25.52 | lvh | MangosDebian: upstream is "up-the-creek-without-a-paddle" brown :-) |
| 22:25.54 | MangosDebian | unstable should be black and blue :) |
| 22:26.21 | lvh | damn synesthesia. your name makes me hungry. |
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| 22:28.50 | slack101 | MangosDebian, ok old stuff is gone i make cleaned the dir .... its been already patched ...........what do i do now ? :P |
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| 22:29.30 | MangosDebian | slack101: cp your /boot/config from a working kernel to .config in your /usr/src/linux, then make oldconfig |
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| 22:30.21 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i dont know where to get one of those |
| 22:30.31 | MangosDebian | slack101: looks like your using a newer kernel from kernel.org, so be prepared for a lot of options. either "m" (module) them or "n" if you know you dont need |
| 22:30.39 | cartesian1984 | So, I just debootstraped a new debian installation, and I think it's quite nice, so, I'm wondering, is it possible for me to make the contents of ~/debootstrap a live or install CD easily, or no? |
| 22:30.47 | MangosDebian | slack101: /boot should have at least one config-<version> |
| 22:31.35 | MangosDebian | slack101: although the kernel does have a "module everything" command. just not sure how well it works |
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| 22:32.06 | gerund_fecund | well |
| 22:32.09 | solemnwarning | Does rsync have an option equiv. to mkdir -p? |
| 22:32.16 | gerund_fecund | no |
| 22:32.27 | MangosDebian | you do need to ensure some stuff is built in/enabled though like initram disks and such or you may have issues with booting debian |
| 22:32.34 | gerund_fecund | rsync -avPze ssh path user@box2:path |
| 22:32.41 | gerund_fecund | should fix all your needs |
| 22:32.50 | gerund_fecund | use a trailing slah at your preil |
| 22:32.53 | gerund_fecund | peril |
| 22:32.54 | MangosDebian | zomg! dvd1 is done! |
| 22:33.04 | gerund_fecund | :) |
| 22:33.08 | gerund_fecund | use the businesscard ISO |
| 22:33.11 | gerund_fecund | its DOPE |
| 22:33.27 | MangosDebian | gerund_fecund: nah, ive got all 6 dvd's. im just usb1.1 over to my hd |
| 22:33.28 | rahul | gerund_fecund: you don't seem fecund with gerunds |
| 22:33.41 | gerund_fecund | neither does your sister |
| 22:34.04 | rahul | so you're saying you don't exist? heh |
| 22:35.06 | gerund_fecund | I do not, except to your, sister! |
| 22:35.08 | gerund_fecund | lol |
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| 22:35.24 | MangosDebian | !dict fecund |
| 22:35.26 | dpkg | Dictionary 'fecund' (2): intellectually productive; "a prolific writer"; "a fecund imagination" ;; capable of producing offspring or vegetation. |
| 22:35.39 | MangosDebian | !dict gerund |
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| 22:35.41 | dpkg | Dictionary 'gerund' (2): a noun formed from a verb (such as the `-ing' form of an English verb when used as a noun) ;; Gerund \Ger"und\, n. [L. gerundium, fr. gerere to bear, carry, perform. See Gest a deed, Jest.] (Lat. Gram.) 1. A kind of verbal noun, having only the four oblique cases of the singular number, and governing cases like a participle.. |
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| 22:36.11 | cureless | fecund ~= fertile |
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| 22:37.00 | IsoLnCHiP | lvh: Bam! there went the kernel again :( Ok, switching to intel didnt help, copying the files to /usr/lib/dri as stated in the wiki at least lead to glxgears running fine again. But, well... blue area whole screen goes colorfull and crash |
| 22:37.36 | MangosDebian | IsoLnCHiP: and i thought linux couldnt BSOD ;) |
| 22:38.11 | IsoLnCHiP | MangosDebian: Hehe, well its an evil twist to it. ;-/ |
| 22:38.22 | slack101 | MangosDebian, right now i am using a PXE booted thing i dont have any working config files |
| 22:38.23 | slack101 | well |
| 22:38.36 | gerund_fecund | wow |
| 22:38.37 | slack101 | i do have a few .conf of the original debian etch kernel |
| 22:38.51 | MangosDebian | slack101: one of those should be fine |
| 22:39.36 | MangosDebian | slack101: its just to ensure you have at a minimum whats needed to boot debian. |
| 22:39.36 | slack101 | ah ok |
| 22:39.46 | slack101 | well |
| 22:39.48 | slack101 | ok |
| 22:39.54 | slack101 | should i use the older vserver one that worke |
| 22:40.01 | slack101 | dor the conf for the defailt debian |
| 22:40.02 | slack101 | ? |
| 22:40.31 | lvh | IsoLnCHiP: i have no idea :( |
| 22:40.42 | MangosDebian | slack101: i would say the default debian. if you went static with many options, it may work, but then support for people here becomes a nightmare when things like update-initramfs dont work for example |
| 22:41.06 | slack101 | MangosDebian, ok |
| 22:41.20 | slack101 | so i jut copy the old .conf to where the linux -2.16.x dir? |
| 22:41.23 | slack101 | where i am compiling ? |
| 22:41.26 | slack101 | delete the old one ? |
| 22:41.54 | sandman | I wonder how many Debian developers use Emacs. |
| 22:42.00 | MangosDebian | slack101: ya, delete the old one, and copy the original debian one into your src dir and call it .config |
| 22:42.21 | IsoLnCHiP | lvh: Dang, well thanks for your time anyway :) |
| 22:42.36 | lvh | sandman: i've noticed a few upstream developers like it |
| 22:42.43 | h3sp4wn | sandman: You want emacs 22 to be in sid ? |
| 22:42.57 | MangosDebian | vim for the vvin! |
| 22:43.03 | slack101 | MangosDebian, its called config-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 22:43.08 | slack101 | do i need to call it .conf ? |
| 22:43.16 | MangosDebian | slack101: .config |
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| 22:43.23 | lvh | MangosDebian: running nvi, but close enough |
| 22:44.04 | dondelelcaro | emacs22 is in experimental already |
| 22:44.06 | h3sp4wn | sandman: (if you do there is a debian developer that does snapshots at - deb http://emacs.orebokech.com sid main) |
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| 22:45.05 | slack101 | MangosDebian, config-2.6.18-4-686.config its called that in the src dir |
| 22:45.08 | slack101 | MangosDebian, now what :P |
| 22:45.14 | slack101 | hopefully it will work this time |
| 22:45.21 | MangosDebian | ..... |
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| 22:45.30 | eifzon | How can i get the Overclock option in nvidia-settings (enabled)? |
| 22:45.30 | MangosDebian | slack101: i said: ".config" |
| 22:45.41 | MangosDebian | slack101: its a dotfile |
| 22:46.00 | slack101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.14 | MangosDebian | ie: hidden, begins with a dot, doesnt have anything in front of it |
| 22:46.31 | MangosDebian | literally as I said, exactly ".config" |
| 22:46.35 | slack101 | MangosDebian, file exist overwrite ? |
| 22:46.41 | MangosDebian | yes |
| 22:46.58 | slack101 | ok |
| 22:47.03 | slack101 | so can i delete the config-2.6.18-4-686.config ? |
| 22:47.17 | MangosDebian | slack101: no, leave it |
| 22:47.51 | slack101 | now what ? :P |
| 22:47.57 | MangosDebian | make oldconfig |
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| 22:49.05 | MangosDebian | anyways, i need food. answer your questions, then when its done, make menuconfig and fine tune anything you need. then read the make-kpkg manual |
| 22:49.17 | slack101 | Create deprecated sysfs files (SYSFS_DEPRECATED) [Y/n/?] (NEW) |
| 22:49.19 | slack101 | opos |
| 22:49.25 | slack101 | can i run it again |
| 22:49.29 | slack101 | if i accidently exited ? |
| 22:50.22 | stoned | cool |
| 22:50.28 | stoned | 10 more minutes then I can go home |
| 22:50.38 | stoned | I have to friggin work tomorrow too it sucks, but its half day |
| 22:50.47 | slack101 | MangosDebian, do i want that or not ? |
| 22:51.07 | stoned | I gotta 500gb disk giving me errors and when I try to mount it it works, when i try to read some files, it works, but others, it hangs the system. |
| 22:51.12 | stoned | pissin me off man |
| 22:51.35 | stoned | I ran a badblocks scan, its fine, but the erro rmessages say host bus error |
| 22:51.43 | stoned | I dunno what this means, any ideas? |
| 22:51.51 | gerund_fecund | get new pc |
| 22:51.53 | gerund_fecund | :) |
| 22:52.10 | stoned | if thats a joke, its retarded. If you're serious, then you're retarded |
| 22:52.13 | gerund_fecund | I saw that on hp box with sata |
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| 22:52.16 | gerund_fecund | the drive is not suppoerted |
| 22:52.18 | gerund_fecund | :) |
| 22:52.27 | gerund_fecund | stoned you mom is retarded |
| 22:52.31 | gerund_fecund | ;) |
| 22:52.35 | gerund_fecund | but i did her anyway! |
| 22:52.45 | gerund_fecund | snap! |
| 22:52.57 | stoned | when people have no original comebacks or when they are witless, they attack the mom |
| 22:53.01 | stoned | its understandable. |
| 22:53.16 | Hiryu | no, there are witty come backs involving mothers |
| 22:53.18 | gerund_fecund | or when they want to be funy |
| 22:53.22 | gerund_fecund | lol |
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| 22:53.39 | Hiryu | I don't remember, middle school was in the early 90's |
| 22:53.39 | gerund_fecund | stoned just store less porn on yer pc |
| 22:53.44 | stoned | that I can't do |
| 22:53.45 | gerund_fecund | 500G a bit excessive |
| 22:53.47 | stoned | c'mon man |
| 22:53.57 | gerund_fecund | hm |
| 22:54.22 | stoned | I got complete tv series,150+ movies, hundreds of complete music albums on it |
| 22:54.25 | Hiryu | the worst part is that it's all just redundant copies of "sex trek 4: captain's log" |
| 22:54.30 | gerund_fecund | nice |
| 22:54.34 | stoned | I was able to backup my documents and music, but other stuff I can't read |
| 22:54.37 | gerund_fecund | got 24 season 2 by an y chance? |
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| 22:54.42 | stoned | no |
| 22:54.48 | gerund_fecund | hm |
| 22:55.19 | stoned | its not a physical problem with the disk I don't think because badblocks said no errors |
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| 22:55.32 | stoned | I did a comlete sector scan using a boot cd on dos, and no errors |
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| 22:55.44 | trotrozoulie | debian |
| 22:55.47 | trotrozoulie | ça rime avec lesbian |
| 22:55.48 | trotrozoulie | :p |
| 22:55.53 | trotrozoulie | c'est fait expres |
| 22:55.54 | madahnono | ca va les cons? |
| 22:55.55 | stoned | I moved this 500gb disk from old pc to new pc, and it starts giving me shit now |
| 22:55.57 | madahnono | je pense |
| 22:55.57 | trotrozoulie | ŕ mon humble avis |
| 22:56.01 | gerund_fecund | le surrender! |
| 22:56.03 | madahnono | mais c'est plus des losers que des lesbiennes |
| 22:56.04 | gerund_fecund | lol |
| 22:56.05 | trotrozoulie | eh |
| 22:56.07 | trotrozoulie | mec |
| 22:56.11 | trotrozoulie | elle est ou ma caisse |
| 22:56.12 | madahnono | elle est ou ta caisse? |
| 22:56.13 | madahnono | lol |
| 22:56.15 | stoned | however, on this disk, sometimes bios reads it as BzBzBzBzBz instead of WD500KS |
| 22:56.17 | trotrozoulie | on déchire |
| 22:56.19 | madahnono | ouais |
| 22:56.20 | gerund_fecund | les limp wristed paniesz |
| 22:56.20 | trotrozoulie | :) |
| 22:56.23 | trotrozoulie | eh les meufs |
| 22:56.24 | gerund_fecund | lol |
| 22:56.25 | madahnono | mais ils ont pas l'air de s'en rendre compte |
| 22:56.25 | trotrozoulie | les connasses |
| 22:56.25 | stoned | !es |
| 22:56.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:56.27 | trotrozoulie | on est la |
| 22:56.30 | madahnono | lol |
| 22:56.32 | trotrozoulie | venez nous parler |
| 22:56.33 | trotrozoulie | en fait |
| 22:56.36 | madahnono | y'en a un qui croit qu'on parle espagnol |
| 22:56.38 | gerund_fecund | german tanks! |
| 22:56.41 | madahnono | lol |
| 22:56.42 | trotrozoulie | on est comme karadoc et perceval |
| 22:56.43 | gerund_fecund | lol |
| 22:56.44 | madahnono | ja ja |
| 22:56.48 | trotrozoulie | on déchire mais personne s'en apercoit |
| 22:56.50 | gerund_fecund | ja ! |
| 22:56.51 | madahnono | freue weichnachten |
| 22:57.01 | krazykit | this is an english channel, and you all know it |
| 22:57.01 | madahnono | bist du eine madchen? |
| 22:57.02 | trotrozoulie | faudra qu'on tourne une serie sur nous dans 1500 ans pour qu'on se rende compte de notre génie |
| 22:57.07 | madahnono | ouais |
| 22:57.14 | madahnono | produite par AB |
| 22:57.15 | trotrozoulie | ja |
| 22:57.16 | Ronin | !fr |
| 22:57.17 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:57.17 | trotrozoulie | :) |
| 22:57.18 | trotrozoulie | :( |
| 22:57.19 | madahnono | et diffusé sur w9 |
| 22:57.20 | trotrozoulie | non |
| 22:57.22 | madahnono | nan |
| 22:57.22 | trotrozoulie | ronin |
| 22:57.24 | madahnono | on reste la |
| 22:57.28 | trotrozoulie | c'est un mauvais film |
| 22:57.29 | dondelelcaro | folks, use #debian-fr |
| 22:57.31 | madahnono | ronin, c'etait vraiment un film de merde |
| 22:57.35 | Ronin | krazykit: indeed |
| 22:57.37 | trotrozoulie | oui |
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| 22:57.40 | trotrozoulie | ronin, tu crains |
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| 22:57.44 | trotrozoulie | :) |
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| 22:57.48 | trotrozoulie | on déchire ! |
| 22:57.51 | trotrozoulie | vive la france ! |
| 22:57.54 | stoned | thank you don |
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| 22:58.00 | trotrozoulie | don camillo |
| 22:58.07 | Ronin | was going to say you missed one :) |
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| 22:58.41 | smacnay_ | oops, forgot to build a module in my hand-rolled kernel - can't access my scanner. |
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| 22:58.56 | smacnay_ | Can one build a module after the fact? |
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| 22:59.07 | krazykit | smacnay_, did you use make-kpkg? |
| 22:59.07 | stoned | well |
| 22:59.08 | sharp15 | anyone know what the id number is for the Debian release gpg key? |
| 22:59.09 | stoned | time to shut down |
| 22:59.13 | smacnay_ | krazykit: yes |
| 22:59.16 | stoned | I'm going home |
| 22:59.18 | krazykit | if so, everything's already built, and it'll take just a few more moments |
| 22:59.20 | jii^ | hello. recommendations for GUI on wvdial when using XFCE? |
| 22:59.23 | stoned | *out* |
| 22:59.36 | x_link | When you save something in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, is it not wrong to just hit Ctrl+x after? (using nano) |
| 22:59.51 | smacnay_ | krazykit: no, I did a make menuconfig and left some modules out. Some I *didn't* think I needed. |
| 22:59.55 | stoned | x_link: just use F3 to save it |
| 23:00.03 | x_link | Shouldn't you do Ctrl+o Ctrl+m Ctrl+x |
| 23:00.04 | x_link | ok |
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| 23:00.05 | stoned | x_link: or F2 to exit, and it will prompt you to save unsaved changes |
| 23:00.11 | stoned | just to save a file? no |
| 23:00.14 | stoned | use f-keys |
| 23:00.21 | SamWeasley | Hi. I'm with a Intel 950gm graphic card in my centrino duo notebook, but every time i try any 3d game or app (like Beryl), my notebook freezes. Some idea? |
| 23:00.21 | x_link | hmm I have always done like that |
| 23:00.27 | x_link | Ctrl+o Ctrl+m Ctrl+x |
| 23:00.30 | stoned | just use F3 to save before you exit |
| 23:00.32 | SamWeasley | I read about using VideoRam Option |
| 23:00.40 | x_link | Cause a guy tells me he just hits Ctrl+x (which if for exit) |
| 23:00.45 | x_link | stoned: Okej |
| 23:00.49 | stoned | same thing as f2 |
| 23:00.53 | stoned | f3== save |
| 23:01.10 | stoned | x_link: read the manpage |
| 23:01.35 | stoned | x_link: if you like nano and use it for text editing |
| 23:01.39 | smacnay_ | SamWeasley: Is beryl requiring accelerated graphics? Can your card do that? |
| 23:01.41 | stoned | you might find useful the coloring |
| 23:01.43 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/.nanorc |
| 23:01.49 | stoned | x_link: ^^ use this if you want |
| 23:01.56 | stoned | x_link: wget this to ~/.nanorc |
| 23:02.15 | gat-man | how do I get flash player via apt-get guys? |
| 23:02.31 | stoned | !tell gat-man -about search |
| 23:02.36 | stoned | ok damnit |
| 23:02.38 | stoned | I'm going home |
| 23:02.40 | stoned | *out* |
| 23:02.51 | SamWeasley | smacnay_: AFAIK, yes. |
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| 23:03.07 | gat-man | stoned: I tried searching, too many packages. |
| 23:03.17 | frankr | are there any loop based audio editing programs for linux that are good for recording simple stuff |
| 23:03.19 | gat-man | willl it KILL YOU just to tell me the name of the package? |
| 23:03.20 | frankr | kinda like sony acid for windows |
| 23:03.27 | gat-man | yeah |
| 23:03.28 | smacnay_ | SamWeasley: ok, I am not sure about your options with your card. Is there a special driver in xorg for your card? If so, make sure it is being used. |
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| 23:03.44 | SamWeasley | i810 |
| 23:03.49 | SamWeasley | That's my driver |
| 23:04.01 | SamWeasley | smacnay_ |
| 23:04.06 | smacnay_ | gat-man: apt-get search flash |
| 23:04.32 | gat-man | jfk |
| 23:04.42 | SamWeasley | smacnay_: Any 3d apps runs a little and freezes |
| 23:05.11 | smacnay_ | SamWeasley: I am not sure about which driver that card will thrive under... but I am guessing that either your current driver doesn't do 3d or your card can't. |
| 23:05.52 | smacnay_ | Can modules be added to a kernel after-the-fact. I have a hand-rolled kernel but obviously forgot a module. |
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| 23:07.00 | SamWeasley | Could be that? How could I discover |
| 23:07.03 | SamWeasley | ? |
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| 23:07.17 | smacnay_ | Look up your card with google and get the specs. |
| 23:07.41 | smacnay_ | SamWeasley: it should say somewhere. |
| 23:07.58 | SamWeasley | my lspci send this |
| 23:08.01 | SamWeasley | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 23:08.03 | smacnay_ | SamWeasley: good luck - I am off to a LUG meeting |
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| 23:08.22 | SamWeasley | Thanks smacnay |
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| 23:08.34 | smacnay_ | SamWeasley: look up that stuff on the net - I am no vid card guru. |
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| 23:08.40 | amphi | SamWeasley: that should work well with beryl and the like |
| 23:08.46 | smacnay_ | SamWeasley: good luck again. |
| 23:08.48 | dacs | hi, how can i know what pcmcia card i am using |
| 23:09.09 | smacnay_ | amphi: maybe he has the wrong driver loaded in xorg? He is using i810 |
| 23:09.20 | SamWeasley | I don't know |
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| 23:09.36 | amphi | that's correct for that card, I think |
| 23:09.47 | amphi | SamWeasley: man i810 to be sure |
| 23:10.28 | SamWeasley | That's says that supports 945GM |
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| 23:10.45 | dacs | i am running debian etch , and i am using wireless internet card, is there is a way i can check to see if my card support raw monitoring without takeing the card out |
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| 23:12.16 | Thms__ | dacs, raw monitoring, it's the monitor mode ? |
| 23:12.31 | frankr | SamWeasley, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 23:12.36 | dacs | Thms__: how can i know if my card supports it |
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| 23:13.34 | Thms__ | dacs, http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=compatibility_drivers |
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| 23:15.49 | SamWeasley | frankr: it shows works? yes for video and agp |
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| 23:16.02 | frankr | SamWeasley, what kernel driver does it say you need to use |
| 23:17.36 | SamWeasley | All drivers are loaded |
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| 23:18.34 | frankr | SamWeasley, how are you checking this? lsmod? |
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| 23:20.27 | SamWeasley | lsmod |
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| 23:20.34 | solemnwarning | Hmm, odd |
| 23:20.54 | solemnwarning | My backup dir is slightly larger then the source by a few meg |
| 23:21.05 | solemnwarning | 4MB diff |
| 23:23.19 | slack101 | MangosDebian, you still there ? |
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| 23:24.05 | streuner | still compiling kernels? :-) |
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| 23:25.46 | dacs | to check my card chipset i do lspci? |
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| 23:26.16 | streuner | lspci -v |
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| 23:26.31 | LinuxNIT | can you set different dns servers for different networks in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:26.35 | Candre | hi ... how can i see if the time on a file has been changed ? |
| 23:26.39 | Zrin | has anone got via vt8251 sata to function with etch? |
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| 23:27.53 | streuner | LinuxNIT: read the examples (/usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples) |
| 23:28.40 | gerund_fecund | hm |
| 23:29.05 | stoned | ahh boy |
| 23:29.07 | stoned | home sweet home |
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| 23:29.15 | IsoLnCHiP | SamWeasley: I just solved the 3d crashing on Intel chips a few mins ago, give me a sec to find the website that explained it. |
| 23:29.16 | stoned | streuner: whats up buddy |
| 23:29.26 | streuner | stoned: hi |
| 23:29.32 | stoned | happy 4th man |
| 23:29.33 | stoned | word |
| 23:29.43 | stoned | i wish i was off tomorrow but i gotta work half day |
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| 23:31.01 | dacs | btw happy 4th to of those who cares ;) |
| 23:31.26 | stoned | dacs: do they have a 4th of july in england? |
| 23:31.31 | IsoLnCHiP | SamWeasley: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-5bc0296170d3ffbabad940201aba6aa40c603f17 |
| 23:31.46 | dondelelcaro | stoned: no, they skip from the 3rd to the 5th. |
| 23:31.55 | dacs | stoned: lol i guess man |
| 23:31.56 | stoned | dondelelcaro: lol, that was a joke |
| 23:32.08 | stoned | my 5th grade teacher asked us that the first day of class I remember |
| 23:32.09 | IsoLnCHiP | SamWeasley: It solved my 3d problem, however not the kernelfreezes I was hopeing to fix |
| 23:32.18 | stoned | I said yeh, they have it, but they don't celebrate the american holiday |
| 23:32.23 | stoned | everyone else said no they don't have it |
| 23:32.24 | stoned | lol |
| 23:32.29 | dacs | bluddy britchs |
| 23:32.37 | dacs | ;) |
| 23:32.48 | stoned | trick question |
| 23:33.22 | SamWeasley | IsoLnCHiP: I'll need to replace my dri? |
| 23:33.52 | dacs | stoned: have you seen abrotman , i haven't saw him for a long time |
| 23:33.54 | IsoLnCHiP | SamWeasley: check the path, if its anything like my problem, those files are missing |
| 23:34.10 | streuner | !seen abrotman |
| 23:34.10 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2h 34m 55s ago, saying: 'Calgon, take me away ...'. |
| 23:34.23 | IsoLnCHiP | take a look in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log it will likely have some (EE) in it |
| 23:35.24 | dacs | how can i check the chipset of my pcmcia wireless card |
| 23:35.27 | dacs | please |
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| 23:35.43 | SamWeasley | IsoLnCHiP: only synaptic drivers |
| 23:35.53 | pl2 | I can't remember how to disable AIGLX in my xorg.conf |
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| 23:36.38 | IsoLnCHiP | SamWeasley: marked with (EE) or what do you mean? |
| 23:36.56 | SamWeasley | IsoLnCHiP: yeah |
| 23:37.00 | gravity | plb: option "AIGLX" "disable" |
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| 23:37.13 | stoned | or just comment it out |
| 23:37.17 | plb | gravity: Which section? Extensions? |
| 23:37.19 | stoned | its in serverlayout innit gravity ? |
| 23:37.27 | plb | stoned: it is enabled by default now |
| 23:37.28 | gravity | plb: Yeah |
| 23:37.30 | gravity | stoned: Nope |
| 23:37.36 | stoned | gravity: device? |
| 23:37.42 | gravity | stoned: plb just said it... |
| 23:38.04 | stoned | wait you mean in the xorg aiglx is enabled by default/ |
| 23:38.05 | stoned | ? |
| 23:38.14 | gravity | It has been from the beginning |
| 23:38.17 | plb | stoned: yes |
| 23:38.18 | streuner | hi gravity |
| 23:38.24 | stoned | no need to specify to enable it in xorg.conf? |
| 23:38.27 | stoned | hmm |
| 23:38.27 | gravity | Hi stoned |
| 23:38.29 | stoned | word man |
| 23:38.32 | stoned | gravity: hi |
| 23:38.35 | gravity | er... streuner |
| 23:38.39 | stoned | heh |
| 23:38.39 | gravity | Damn tab completion |
| 23:38.52 | stoned | have a good one man |
| 23:38.58 | plb | which is problematic if you are using fglrx, because the X1400 Mobility is not supported by the free driver yet |
| 23:39.08 | plb | brb ctrl+alt+bksping |
| 23:39.13 | IsoLnCHiP | SamWeasley: In that case Ill have to pass sorry, I had a prob with kernel freezes too and 3d running slow, caused by the error in line 730 in http://paste.debian.net/31948 but it seems then you dont have that problem |
| 23:39.22 | stoned | plb: I have not disabled it in my xorg.conf and I use fglrx on X1900xtx |
| 23:39.37 | grendal_prime | how do i generate a private key to submit for signining |
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| 23:39.56 | grendal_prime | seems kinda stupid of a question i guess but...hell |
| 23:40.15 | stoned | http://people.debian.org/~stevenk/keysigning.html |
| 23:40.17 | grendal_prime | i thought it was like keygen but i cant find the app |
| 23:40.17 | stoned | grendal_prime: ^^ |
| 23:40.28 | grendal_prime | thanks stoned |
| 23:40.33 | slack101 | MangosDebian, where you at :P ? neeed help "[p |
| 23:40.34 | stoned | I went to a signing and I forgot to print the keys |
| 23:40.36 | stoned | HAHAHA |
| 23:40.37 | stoned | :( |
| 23:40.49 | cafuego | stoned: this is your brain on drugs |
| 23:40.52 | dacs | bbl |
| 23:40.55 | stoned | some of these DDs are awesome people man |
| 23:41.13 | cTaT1k | Is there site where I can a listing of which packages are on which of the three Etch DVD ISOs? |
| 23:41.13 | streuner | !tell slack101 about ask |
| 23:41.13 | stoned | they know their shit pretty good |
| 23:41.39 | stoned | cafuego: that was when I was completely sober for weeks |
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| 23:41.48 | stoned | cafuego: etch release party NYC |
| 23:41.57 | stoned | my first week in NYC too |
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| 23:42.23 | slack101 | streuner, YOU EVER COMPILE A KERNEL ? |
| 23:42.26 | slack101 | oops caps |
| 23:42.33 | stoned | I'm sure hes compiled many kernels |
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| 23:42.40 | stoned | slack101: whats your real question? |
| 23:42.46 | streuner | slack101: do you ever read the factoid? |
| 23:42.51 | slack101 | when i do make oldconfig |
| 23:42.59 | plb | argh.... it still is trying to load AIGLX |
| 23:43.07 | slack101 | theres a few dpericated things it ask me if i need i dunno t say yes or no ? |
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| 23:43.22 | streuner | slack101: "(ask the whole channel!)" |
| 23:43.41 | slack101 | ^^ |
| 23:43.55 | stoned | .. |
| 23:44.01 | plb | @@ |
| 23:44.04 | stoned | littles dues on parachutes |
| 23:44.12 | stoned | dudes* |
| 23:44.13 | cafuego | my eyeballs |
| 23:44.18 | Growly|Work | !lex |
| 23:44.18 | dpkg | apt-get install flex |
| 23:44.25 | stoned | !flex |
| 23:44.25 | dpkg | i guess flex is a sucky nick used by freaks, or flex is also the Fast Lexical analyzer generator. A Lex compatible scanner generator. |
| 23:45.07 | eifzon | I wanna fix so i can see my HDD/CPU/GPU TEMP on the desktop, how can i do that? |
| 23:45.15 | slack101 | streuner, any suggestions ? |
| 23:45.20 | Growly|Work | wow |
| 23:45.23 | Growly|Work | dpkg wins |
| 23:45.23 | dpkg | hmm... wins is the Windows Internet Naming Service |
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| 23:45.42 | Growly|Work | hahaha |
| 23:45.45 | stoned | dpkg lex is also In computer science lex is a program that generates lexical analyzers ("scanners" or "lexers"). Lex is commonly used with the yacc parser generator. |
| 23:45.46 | dpkg | okay, stoned |
| 23:45.46 | streuner | slack101: give us more details |
| 23:45.57 | slack101 | i jus did ;) |
| 23:46.19 | stoned | argh! |
| 23:46.25 | stoned | dpkg lex is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_programming_tool |
| 23:46.25 | dpkg | stoned: okay |
| 23:46.32 | stoned | !lex |
| 23:46.32 | dpkg | apt-get install flex |
| 23:46.36 | slack101 | streuner, Create deprecated sysfs files (SYSFS_DEPRECATED) [Y/n/?] (NEW) |
| 23:46.38 | stoned | fucking piece of donky poo |
| 23:46.39 | slack101 | do i want this ? |
| 23:46.46 | streuner | stoned: use /msg dpkg |
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| 23:47.08 | stoned | !lex |
| 23:47.09 | dpkg | apt-get install flex |
| 23:47.12 | stoned | nothing streuner |
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| 23:47.33 | stoned | hmm |
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| 23:48.07 | stoned | dpkg no lex is in computer science lex is a program that generates lexical analyzers ("scanners" or "lexers"). Lex is commonly used with the yacc parser generator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_programming_tool - aptitude install flex |
| 23:48.07 | dpkg | okay, stoned |
| 23:48.08 | streuner | slack101: why do you need to compile a kernel at all? |
| 23:48.11 | stoned | !lex |
| 23:48.11 | dpkg | hmm... lex is in computer science lex is a program that generates lexical analyzers ("scanners" or "lexers"). Lex is commonly used with the yacc parser generator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_programming_tool - aptitude install flex |
| 23:48.16 | streuner | !kill stoned |
| 23:48.22 | slack101 | streuner, i really need too |
| 23:48.22 | stoned | !hug streuner |
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| 23:48.29 | streuner | slack101: why? |
| 23:48.34 | slack101 | for LINUX VSERVVER |
| 23:48.35 | kisielk | what package in debian contains the documentation for C functions? |
| 23:48.36 | slack101 | holy crap |
| 23:48.40 | slack101 | sorry |
| 23:48.45 | slack101 | but i ve had ot answer that 50 times |
| 23:49.01 | plundra | kisielk: glibc-doc/manpages-dev I believe |
| 23:49.08 | streuner | slack101: compare the config of Debians kernel with the one you have |
| 23:49.28 | slack101 | thats what im using |
| 23:49.43 | slack101 | i copied the debian kernel one that worked |
| 23:50.07 | slack101 | soo i ran make oldconfig |
| 23:50.12 | slack101 | but i dont knwo if i need that thig |
| 23:50.35 | streuner | jus say NO |
| 23:50.38 | streuner | just* |
| 23:50.41 | slack101 | ok |
| 23:50.42 | slack101 | sure ? |
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| 23:51.05 | slack101 | tickless system y/ n ? |
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| 23:51.36 | streuner | CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED=y |
| 23:51.36 | streuner | # CONFIG_PM_SYSFS_DEPRECATED is not set |
| 23:51.43 | streuner | no, just set it then |
| 23:51.58 | streuner | knusper:/boot# grep -i sysfs config-2.6.20-1-k7 |
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| 23:52.09 | gerund_fecund | code everything in c |
| 23:52.15 | gerund_fecund | other languages are superfluous |
| 23:52.29 | stoned | it depends on what you are coding |
| 23:52.37 | cTaT1k | gerund_fecund: Even C++? :p |
| 23:52.48 | slack101 | streuner, tickless system ? |
| 23:52.48 | gerund_fecund | esp c++ |
| 23:52.50 | gerund_fecund | what a joke |
| 23:52.56 | stoned | every language was created was a certain purpose |
| 23:52.57 | streuner | slack101: its insane to compile a kernel for a newbie, sorry. There are more than 500 options nowadays... |
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| 23:53.24 | stoned | its closeminded to say one is superior to others when they have clearly different application |
| 23:53.44 | stoned | s/was/with |
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| 23:53.57 | slack101 | stray_, give me one .......... i need this |
| 23:54.11 | slack101 | streuner, dont offer to help if your not going to man o man |
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| 23:54.50 | ki11bi11 | is there a way to remove a raid device from the system? I just wont to get rid of it |
| 23:54.52 | slack101 | im jus curious i f i need things like tickless systems and high resolution timer support |
| 23:54.54 | stoned | slack101: people usually read to figure out whats going on. No one is going to walk you through it |
| 23:55.05 | slack101 | its simple quick questions |
| 23:55.11 | rocketma1net | hi, does someone know a repository which holds the libdvdcss paket ? |
| 23:55.17 | stoned | !dmm |
| 23:55.17 | dpkg | i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 23:55.19 | cafuego | !dvdcss |
| 23:55.24 | stoned | rocketma1net: checkit |
| 23:55.28 | cafuego | blah |
| 23:55.37 | stoned | rocketma1net: the package is called libdvdcss2 |
| 23:56.12 | rocketma1net | where is the list file with the repositories again ? |
| 23:56.18 | stoned | dpkg !sources |
| 23:56.22 | stoned | !sources |
| 23:56.22 | dpkg | somebody said sources was /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 23:56.26 | stoned | doh |
| 23:56.31 | slack101 | last question ...whats a good timer frequency ? |
| 23:56.34 | cTaT1k | gerund_fecund: You wouldn't consider C superfluous when compared to assembly? |
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| 23:56.56 | krazykit | slack101, whatever it was already set at. if you're tickless, timer frequency doesn't matter |
| 23:57.06 | stoned | I consider them all to be that, because I speak and think binary! |
| 23:57.09 | stoned | I'm so l33t |
| 23:57.13 | stoned | zomg |
| 23:57.17 | krazykit | stoned, more like |
| 23:57.20 | krazykit | uh |
| 23:57.21 | slack101 | krazykit, i didnt choose that |
| 23:57.41 | stoned | krazykit: yes...? |
| 23:57.57 | krazykit | stoned, i was trying to figure out how to make l33t into binary. |
| 23:58.03 | stoned | oh |
| 23:58.03 | stoned | lol |
| 23:58.08 | slack101 | krazykit, does it matter about the frequency ? |
| 23:58.26 | krazykit | slack101, not to my knowledge. i don't recall what i use, either |
| 23:58.42 | krazykit | stoned, 01101100 00110011 00110011 01110100 |
| 23:58.48 | stoned | that looks right |
| 23:59.04 | stoned | </sarcasm> |
| 23:59.46 | adv0cate | have a lovely day everyone. I'm out. |
| 23:59.50 | gerund_fecund | no no assembly is too low level |
| 23:59.57 | rocketma1net | what command do i need to install the GPG keyring for apt ? |
