| 00:00.15 | qrck | i'm asking myself if it would be a good idea to install it in etch |
| 00:00.56 | trekdanne | eli1: the default desktop is gnome |
| 00:01.38 | trekdanne | eli1: so unless you have installed something else you should be running gnome, I suppose. |
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| 00:01.58 | eli1 | trekdanne: and what's the default wm ? |
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| 00:02.17 | eli1 | I did the default instalation of gnome... |
| 00:02.53 | trekdanne | eli1: hmm I just joined, why do you need to know that in the first place? |
| 00:03.30 | trekdanne | eli1: i'm not entirerly sure what gnome's WM is called |
| 00:03.32 | stew | eli1: metacity iirc |
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| 00:04.24 | trekdanne | stew: what about, sawfish - that lisp thing ? the old one? |
| 00:04.28 | eli1 | trekdanne: because stew said "stew: eli1: how to do it would depend on which window manager you are using |
| 00:04.28 | eli1 | (20:57:55) stew: eli1: gnome isn't a window manager" |
| 00:04.28 | eli1 | I'm trying to find a way to change between two screens using keyboard, instead of mouse |
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| 00:04.48 | stew | trekdanne: what about it? |
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| 00:05.18 | trekdanne | stew: didnt gnome use it, in the stone age |
| 00:05.38 | stew | trekdanne: yes |
| 00:06.07 | trekdanne | ah ok |
| 00:06.09 | eli1 | stew: there is a way to know this using top ? |
| 00:06.23 | eli1 | or ps |
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| 00:06.56 | stew | eli1: yeah. then i'd google for something like "metacity xinerama keybinding" |
| 00:07.01 | trekdanne | anyway, shouldnt eli1 be able to use something like xbinkeys |
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| 00:07.17 | trekdanne | sorry about third person |
| 00:07.25 | smimp | eli1, ctrl+alt+left or right? |
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| 00:07.51 | smimp | eli1, ah.. xinerama.. nm |
| 00:07.56 | stew | trekdanne: what would he have xbindkeys run in order to switch focus to another screen? |
| 00:08.08 | eli1 | smimp: I'm not using xinerama mode |
| 00:08.21 | eli1 | I have two independent desktops |
| 00:08.30 | trekdanne | stew: hmm that's probably the question... hehe |
| 00:08.38 | eli1 | on each monitor. |
| 00:08.48 | stew | trekdanne: i don't think metacity is scriptable, but i could be wrong |
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| 00:09.25 | stew | eli1: i don't think it would matter, one would setup keybindings the same no matter how the two screens were being used |
| 00:10.08 | eli1 | stew: Yes, but there's no keybind to change between the two screens... |
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| 00:10.20 | eli1 | not that I saw |
| 00:10.49 | eifzon | can i get xcompmgr for etch? |
| 00:11.28 | stew | eli1: so you want to find a way to make such a keybinding. i'd look for someone else that has already done this, i'd find them by looking for xinerama users, by googling for "xinerama metacity keybindings" |
| 00:11.33 | Wyzard | eli1: I believe the default keybindings in Metacity (GNOME's WM) are Ctrl-Alt-Left and Ctrl-Alt-Right |
| 00:11.49 | Wyzard | eli1: but you can configure them in System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts |
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| 00:12.42 | Wyzard | eli1: they're under the "Window Management" heading in that window |
| 00:13.11 | eli1 | Wyzard: I tried those two. But that changes the workspaces only (crt-alt-*) and in the menu there's no way to have a shortcut for change between the screens (DISPLAY 0.0 ou 0.1) |
| 00:13.25 | Wyzard | oh, I see |
| 00:14.38 | Wyzard | I'm not sure what you mean about changing between the screens, though, since you can see both of them all the time |
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| 00:15.49 | eli1 | stew: I'm not using xinerama mode ( I have set just two independent screens)... |
| 00:15.49 | eli1 | Section "ServerLayout" |
| 00:15.49 | eli1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.49 | eli1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:17.03 | stew | !tell eli1 about paste |
| 00:17.08 | eli1 | I was kicked of... |
| 00:17.24 | eli1 | ;-) |
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| 00:17.46 | stew | eli1: i understand that you are not using xinerama. my conjecture is that the bindings to switch from screen to screen are going to be the same whether one uses xinerama or not, but xinerama gives you a good search term for google |
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| 00:18.34 | stew | but forget it. i don't now how to do what you want to do in metacity |
| 00:18.52 | stoned | (hd0,0)/debian/linux ramdisk_size=14972 root=/dev/ram0 |
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| 00:19.27 | stoned | this is my line, I am trying to netinstall |
| 00:19.27 | stoned | how do i specify expert install here? |
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| 00:19.27 | eli1 | hum.. ok, I'll just clarify the question for Wyzard, The main question is to change focus between screens |
| 00:19.41 | Wyzard | ok |
| 00:20.05 | stoned | is there a way to specify that you want to do an expert install in a parameter here somehow? |
| 00:20.09 | unlink | where would be the appropriate place to put a comprehensive guide to automounting on linux? |
| 00:20.21 | Wyzard | I suspect that's a fundamental X thing, outside GNOME's control |
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| 00:20.36 | stoned | guys |
| 00:22.01 | stoned | (hd0,0)/debian/linux ramdisk_size=14972 root=/dev/ram0 <== is there a param I can specify here to get an expert install? I can't seem to figure it out |
| 00:22.30 | Wyzard | stoned: Isn't that documented on one of the info pages at the CD's boot prompt? |
| 00:22.38 | Wyzard | stoned: Press F1, F2, F3, etc. |
| 00:22.53 | stoned | I'm not on a cd |
| 00:22.57 | Wyzard | oh |
| 00:23.03 | stoned | did you even read what I said? |
| 00:23.04 | stoned | :) |
| 00:23.20 | Wyzard | sorry, didn't see you mention netinstall |
| 00:23.29 | Wyzard | There's an option for expert mode but I don't remember what it is |
| 00:23.30 | eli1 | Wyzard: I searched a lot before come here and see nothing about how to do what I want, and is very simple. |
| 00:23.37 | stoned | me neither |
| 00:23.41 | Wyzard | I'd suggest booting an install CD and pressing F1, F2, F3, etc. to find out :-) |
| 00:23.54 | stoned | is there a list of kernel params |
| 00:23.57 | stoned | I did, there is nothing |
| 00:24.20 | Wyzard | There's definitely an option for it |
| 00:24.24 | Wyzard | It might be just "expert" |
| 00:24.54 | stoned | If you add priority=medium as boot parameter, you will be shown the installation menu and gain more control over the installation. When priority=low is used, all messages are shown (this is equivalent to the expert boot method). With priority=critical, the installation system will display only critical messages and try to do the right thing without fuss. |
| 00:24.55 | mazzanet | hokay |
| 00:25.07 | mazzanet | i have a whole bunch of raid1 arrays |
| 00:25.19 | stoned | stable install guide |
| 00:25.35 | stoned | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s02.html.en |
| 00:25.44 | mazzanet | and they've all decided to resync (first day of the month?) |
| 00:26.04 | mazzanet | all this resyncing is slowing the box down, can i delay the resyncing? |
| 00:26.07 | Wyzard | mazzanet: First Sunday of the month, actually |
| 00:26.16 | Wyzard | mazzanet: It's a routine integrity check |
| 00:26.24 | eli1 | the only thing I could find it was: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors. But they resolved the problem by set up a program to move the mouse pointer and unfortunately the link to the program wrote is broken. |
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| 00:27.01 | mazzanet | Wyzard: ah, 1st of july is a sunday :P |
| 00:27.05 | slack101 | hey who wants to help me with my problem ? |
| 00:27.10 | stoned | I'm about to say fuck it to xp and get debian back on my main desktop |
| 00:27.32 | Wyzard | mazzanet: It's controlled by /etc/cron.d/mdadm, but I don't know offhand of a way to cancel it while it's in progress (though it's probably possible) |
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| 00:28.16 | mazzanet | slowing down box to the tune of load of 36 and typing this line itself is laggy |
| 00:28.30 | Wyzard | lol |
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| 00:29.48 | minerale | Google has added some debian respositories, can I see the contents of the repo from a web browser? |
| 00:30.00 | minerale | ie by surfing to the repo url? |
| 00:30.10 | minerale | (see http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/debian40.html ) |
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| 00:31.23 | mazzanet | Wyzard: hooray |
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| 00:31.38 | mazzanet | Wyzard: /etc/cron.d/mdadm calls /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray |
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| 00:31.41 | Freddie | hello everybody |
| 00:31.41 | Wyzard | mazzanet: Try "echo idle > /sys/block/m0/md/sync_action" |
| 00:31.49 | mazzanet | checkarray has a cancel option |
| 00:31.56 | Wyzard | ah, ok, even simpler |
| 00:32.10 | Wyzard | checkarray actually works by echoing stuff to those special files in /sys/block |
| 00:32.22 | Wyzard | /sys/block/md0/md/sync_action |
| 00:32.28 | slack101 | anyone here ever compile a Kernel ? |
| 00:32.38 | Wyzard | slack101: Many people have |
| 00:32.45 | slack101 | have you ? |
| 00:32.48 | Gnurdux | slack101, yes, what do you need? |
| 00:34.04 | bzed | minerale: http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/dists/stable/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 00:34.20 | bzed | minerale: you have to think about the right url by yourself... |
| 00:34.26 | mazzanet | Wyzard: ah i see, it's just a shell script |
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| 00:40.11 | eli1 | that's really nice: "After searching endlessly for something to allow me to move the pointer between non-xinerama dual head screens purely from the keyboard and finding nothing, I've written a program to accomplish this:" |
| 00:40.31 | eli1 | so I'll have to do the same... :-) |
| 00:40.49 | quitte | eli1: x2x? |
| 00:41.34 | eli1 | quitte: what is x2x ? |
| 00:41.46 | quitte | eli1: apt-cache show x2x |
| 00:42.13 | quitte | oh purely from the keyboard. never mind |
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| 00:42.46 | wever | trying to get divx plugin to work in iceweasel. I created symlink to mplayerplug-in-dvx in /usr/lib/iceape/plugins but about:plugins doesn't show it. Any thoughts? |
| 00:42.50 | slack101 | anyone else here every compile a kernel ? |
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| 00:43.14 | Wyzard | slack101: I already answered that |
| 00:43.34 | slack101 | sorry |
| 00:43.34 | Wyzard | slack101: Yes, people compile kernels. What's your real question? |
| 00:43.43 | quitte | wever: /msg dpkg-multimedia |
| 00:43.48 | slack101 | http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/205/11111oi0.jpg |
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| 00:43.57 | slack101 | look at that |
| 00:44.05 | slack101 | thats what happened when i compiled my kernel |
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| 00:44.57 | quitte | slack101: broken initramfs or missing modules |
| 00:45.01 | Wyzard | slack101: The info that would help troubleshoot the problem has scrolled off the top of your screen, but anyway, why do you need a custom kernel? |
| 00:45.16 | slack101 | Wyzard, i need a patched kernel |
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| 00:45.42 | Wyzard | slack101: what for? |
| 00:45.48 | slack101 | Linux Vserver man lol |
| 00:45.49 | slack101 | i need it |
| 00:45.57 | quitte | slack101: debian has vserver kernels |
| 00:46.02 | slack101 | not this one |
| 00:46.04 | rissy | `915resolution |
| 00:46.06 | Wyzard | slack101: Debian provides vserver kernels... apt-cache search vserver |
| 00:46.08 | slack101 | it has older versions |
| 00:46.11 | slack101 | i know man |
| 00:46.15 | slack101 | i need version 2.2 |
| 00:46.23 | slack101 | not kernel version |
| 00:46.26 | slack101 | vserver version ;) |
| 00:46.34 | Wyzard | if you say so |
| 00:46.34 | rissy | Anyone have a decent howto for 915resolution on etch? Preferbly for 945GM intel graphics? |
| 00:46.38 | slack101 | trust me i looked all in the debian repos |
| 00:46.48 | slack101 | i thought it was going to work but it didnt |
| 00:46.52 | Wyzard | Anyway, if you're not experienced with building custom kernels, you should first build one without any special patches and make sure that works right |
| 00:46.59 | quitte | slack101: find out about kernel-package and make-kpkg |
| 00:47.12 | Wyzard | and yes, use make-kpkg to build it |
| 00:47.32 | slack101 | i was going io do that after i got one that worked in the first place |
| 00:47.35 | slack101 | all i did |
| 00:47.44 | slack101 | was use a config from my other vserver kernel |
| 00:47.51 | slack101 | make modules |
| 00:47.57 | slack101 | make the kernel and compile |
| 00:48.01 | wever | quitte, sorry, what is dpkg-multimedia? A script or pkg? |
| 00:48.08 | slack101 | install sorry |
| 00:48.15 | Wyzard | slack101: and how about the initramfs? |
| 00:48.21 | slack101 | yes i created that sorry |
| 00:48.23 | quitte | wever debian-multimedia? |
| 00:48.28 | Wyzard | slack101: with what? |
| 00:48.37 | slack101 | like |
| 00:48.58 | slack101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.40 | Wyzard | slack101: mkinitrafms, I assume... but that initramfs is built for whatever kernel you were running previously, not your new vserver kernel |
| 00:49.43 | quitte | slack101: mkinitramfs is the tool that debian kernels use. or yaird i you installed that |
| 00:50.00 | Wyzard | slack101: because you didn't specify the version, it defaults to the currently-running kernel version |
| 00:50.01 | rissy | ffs, whenever i patch my resolution to work with 915resolution, it seems like i did nothing. the resolution i want to have isn't added to the list |
| 00:50.11 | quitte | slack101: you should either build a kernel that doesn'T need a initramfs or use make-kpkg |
| 00:50.27 | slack101 | wait |
| 00:50.31 | slack101 | i did specify the version |
| 00:50.34 | slack101 | i did |
| 00:50.40 | Wyzard | slack101: Use make-kpkg to build the kernel, and use the --initrd option when you run it... it'll build a .deb of your kernel that automatically generates a correct initramfs when you install it |
| 00:50.41 | slack101 | look at the end |
| 00:51.00 | slack101 | how od i use this thing ? |
| 00:51.03 | Wyzard | slack101: Oh, sorry, I overlooked the space and thought that was part of the filename |
| 00:51.20 | slack101 | nope |
| 00:51.45 | Wyzard | slack101: Anyway, use make-kpkg for building |
| 00:51.57 | Wyzard | slack101: As for configuring, what's this other vserver kernel that you copied the configuration from? |
| 00:51.58 | slack101 | how od i use it |
| 00:52.30 | Wyzard | basically, make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image |
| 00:52.34 | Wyzard | see the manpage |
| 00:52.47 | slack101 | Wyzard, i just used the config for the version of vserver i was using |
| 00:53.05 | Wyzard | You said you got the configuration from another kernel |
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| 00:54.07 | slack101 | Wyzard, i was running an older version of vserver i i just used that config |
| 00:54.36 | Wyzard | What kernel version? |
| 00:54.46 | Wyzard | and was it a Debian kernel? |
| 00:54.56 | quitte | slack101: how about using theconfig of a debian kernel that is known to work instead? make oldconfigwill show you the new options |
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| 00:55.18 | slack101 | yes it was a debian kernel |
| 00:55.31 | slack101 | whatever Vserver is in ETCH |
| 00:55.34 | slack101 | thats the one |
| 00:55.54 | Wyzard | ok |
| 00:56.06 | gimmebeer | hello, "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" Debian Lenny, is it currently broken or should I worry ? |
| 00:56.26 | quitte | gimmebeer: works here. |
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| 00:56.38 | quitte | gimmebeer: try installing build-essential |
| 00:56.59 | gimmebeer | hmmm let me check |
| 00:57.03 | quitte | also, what are you trying to do? |
| 00:57.11 | Wyzard | slack101: Well, all those error messages in your screenshot are resulting from some earlier problem whose messages have scrolled off the screen |
| 00:57.16 | slack101 | Wyzard, grrr im a little dissapointed it didnt wor k |
| 00:57.17 | gimmebeer | quitte: compiling latest wine, usually works fine |
| 00:57.29 | quitte | gimmebeer: apt-get build-dep wine |
| 00:57.30 | slack101 | Wyzard, would it be in the error log ? |
| 00:57.52 | Wyzard | slack101: There's no logfile when the system didn't even finish booting |
| 00:57.59 | quitte | slack101: no. as the initrd couldnt mount the harddisk |
| 00:58.00 | slack101 | damn |
| 00:58.05 | Wyzard | slack101: but Shift-PageUp should let you scroll back in the kernel's output |
| 00:58.15 | gimmebeer | quitte: build-essential is in place, I don't use debianized sources, those are too old - will build-dep work the same ? |
| 00:58.19 | slack101 | my datacenter sent me that screeen |
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| 00:58.47 | Wyzard | OK, so you don't have physical access |
| 00:58.52 | quitte | gimmebeer: it will just install the build dependencies for the debian package. those should b fine for what you aredoing,too |
| 00:58.55 | slack101 | so should i make a new kernel or should i make a new .img ? |
| 00:59.00 | slack101 | or is it both thats bad |
| 00:59.02 | gimmebeer | quitte: build-dep wants to REMOVE flex :-| |
| 00:59.24 | slack101 | Wyzard, i have a network booted system running on it now |
| 00:59.26 | quitte | gimmebeer: that'S probably a good thing. |
| 00:59.27 | gimmebeer | quitte: replacing it with flex-old |
| 00:59.40 | Wyzard | slack101: hard to tell, but I'd guess probably the kernel just because the initramfs was generated by a tool so that's less likely to be wrong |
| 00:59.54 | quitte | gimmebeer: oh. well then give it a try and just install flex later |
| 00:59.55 | slack101 | b lah grrr |
| 01:00.14 | slack101 | Wyzard, i used the old config |
| 01:00.15 | Wyzard | slack101: My recommendation would be to build a kernel without the vserver patch, and make sure you can get that working |
| 01:00.29 | slack101 | i know its not that vserver patch that mis messing up |
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| 01:00.39 | gimmebeer | quitte: it wants to install packages that apparently have something to do with XFree86, which is not installed :-? |
| 01:01.02 | Wyzard | slack101: That may be so, but you want to eliminate as many variables as possible to find the root of the problem |
| 01:01.06 | quitte | slack101: really, use make-kpkg from the start. building an initramfs yourself is no fun. |
| 01:01.08 | gimmebeer | let's try it |
| 01:01.09 | slack101 | Wyzard, itsp rolly because of the modules |
| 01:01.24 | quitte | gimmebeer: omg. is that etch? |
| 01:01.40 | gimmebeer | quitte: nope Lenny |
| 01:02.19 | gimmebeer | quitte: nothing to be done, C compiler cannot create executables |
| 01:02.27 | Wyzard | slack101: well, you said you built the modules |
| 01:02.49 | Wyzard | slack101: though you said you made the modules first, followed by the kernel; usually it's done the other way around, though I don't know if it makes a difference |
| 01:02.51 | cafuego | Is there anyone here who runs freeradius/slapd for certificate based wifi auth (eap-tls) who can point me in the directioon of a useful doc? |
| 01:02.54 | slack101 | oh yea |
| 01:03.01 | slack101 | do i need to update the symbolic links ? |
| 01:03.03 | Wyzard | slack101: use make-kpkg |
| 01:03.05 | slack101 | i never did do that |
| 01:03.11 | quitte | gimmebeer: looks good here. do your deb-srcurls in sources.list point to lenny,too? |
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| 01:03.51 | slack101 | whats the package called ? |
| 01:04.00 | gimmebeer | quitte: I targetted "testing" just after first installation using an Etch pre-release net-inst CD |
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| 01:04.24 | Wyzard | slack101: kernel-package |
| 01:04.24 | Internat | this is probably a noob question. If i compile apache2.2-common by hand, can i still use modules from apt-get libapache2-mod-blah? or do i have to then compile those modules as well? |
| 01:04.32 | gimmebeer | it says to check config.log but there's nothing interesting in that file, either |
| 01:04.38 | quitte | gimmebeer: did you run apt-get update ever since? |
| 01:04.43 | gimmebeer | of course |
| 01:04.51 | slack101 | should i remove the old kernel ? |
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| 01:05.11 | quitte | gimmebeer paste the log in a pastebin,please |
| 01:05.13 | gimmebeer | quitte: sure |
| 01:05.14 | Wyzard | slack101: There's no point keeping a broken kernel and initramfs that don't boot |
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| 01:05.23 | slack101 | so rm ? |
| 01:05.34 | Wyzard | yes |
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| 01:06.28 | slack101 | a;sp in lilo i had it say read-write |
| 01:06.31 | slack101 | does that make a difference |
| 01:06.36 | slack101 | i see most people use read-only |
| 01:06.51 | Wyzard | Internat: You should still be able to use the third-party module packages, but why do you need to rebuild apache2.2-common? |
| 01:07.02 | Wyzard | slack101: Why did you have to say read-write? |
| 01:07.17 | Internat | so i can change suexec a bit, namely the path and default user, and so i can compilie in auth mysql support |
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| 01:07.44 | Wyzard | Internat: FWIW, see libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
| 01:07.57 | Internat | yeah i saw that, but that doesnt sort my suexec problems |
| 01:08.01 | Internat | and that module isnt in stable |
| 01:08.03 | Internat | and i didnt want to backport |
| 01:08.08 | quitte | ro is the default as the filsystem check is not able to perform all steps if / is mounted rw. so / gets remounted later in the init process |
| 01:08.17 | Wyzard | Internat: As for suEXEC, can't you override the defaults with configuration? |
| 01:08.20 | slack101 | Wyzard, does it matter ? |
| 01:08.40 | Internat | unfortunatly note |
| 01:08.41 | Internat | not* |
| 01:08.45 | Wyzard | slack101: The default is read-only so that the startup scripts can fsck the root filesystem before making it writable, as quitte said |
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| 01:08.56 | Internat | thats one of the "Security" things about it, that its build at compile time and cant be changed |
| 01:09.06 | Wyzard | slack101: but it shouldn't cause a failure as early in the boot process as yours |
| 01:09.18 | slack101 | Wyzard, should i change it to read only though ? |
| 01:09.20 | grendal_prime | is there a tool that will take your curruent system(assuming it was all made up of only pkgs) and build an install disk set..so you can duplicate the system you currently have? |
| 01:09.30 | Wyzard | slack101: Unless you have a good reason not to, yes |
| 01:09.37 | quitte | slack101: why are you using lilo,anyways? |
| 01:09.49 | slack101 | cause grub ddint work |
| 01:10.01 | Wyzard | !tell slack101 about doesn't work |
| 01:10.10 | slack101 | ok man lol |
| 01:10.15 | slack101 | grub was just really messing up |
| 01:10.20 | slack101 | been using lilo for a long time ;) |
| 01:10.24 | slack101 | its never let me down |
| 01:10.55 | Wyzard | until you forget to re-run the map installer after installing a new kernel, and end up with an unbootable system :-) |
| 01:11.14 | Wyzard | or perhaps you want to boot a kernel that isn't mentioned in the config file |
| 01:11.33 | slack101 | i just want a good kernel and inird.img or w/e |
| 01:11.38 | slack101 | do i even need that thing ? |
| 01:11.44 | slack101 | that little .img pissses me off |
| 01:11.51 | slack101 | i know some people dont use em |
| 01:11.52 | Wyzard | yes, you need it |
| 01:12.09 | Wyzard | Unless you compile everything needed at boot time statically into the kernel, rather than as modules |
| 01:12.19 | Wyzard | IDE/SCSI controller, the root filesystem, a few other things |
| 01:12.23 | slack101 | wouldn't that be better ? |
| 01:12.25 | Internat | i suppose i can use the lib auth mysql thing from testing, and then just compile my own suexec and copy that over |
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| 01:12.49 | Wyzard | slack101: Not when you're inexperienced at configuring kernels and your custom one is already broken |
| 01:13.09 | slack101 | should i delete the old modules ? |
| 01:13.15 | Wyzard | yes |
| 01:13.23 | slack101 | so rm the whole dir ? |
| 01:13.40 | Wyzard | The modules that were put there by your custom kernel build, yes |
| 01:13.54 | slack101 | they go in thier own dir |
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| 01:14.09 | slack101 | ./lib/modules/kernelname |
| 01:14.11 | gimmebeer | quitte: I'm downloading wine 0.9.39 let's see if that builds ok |
| 01:14.29 | grendal_prime | like a install packager of some sort? |
| 01:14.35 | smacnay | HI, are there issues with blacklisting in Debian testing? I have followed the instructions from /msg dpkg but they don't work. I amd using a .deb kernel. |
| 01:14.36 | quitte | gimmebeer: i'm very much uncertain what the status of wine on amd64 is. |
| 01:14.36 | Wyzard | slack101: The .deb built by make-kpkg cleanly removes all these things when you uninstall it, btw |
| 01:15.02 | Wyzard | smacnay: not that I'm aware of |
| 01:15.07 | gimmebeer | quitte: been using my own compiles for a couple of months with no problems whatsoever - until now :-? |
| 01:15.11 | quitte | gimmebeer: it's probably a good idea to ask #wine or ##wine |
| 01:15.25 | Wyzard | smacnay: but keep in mind that a lot of modules get copied into the initramfs and loaded from there, so after you blacklist something, you should regenerate the initramfs so the module will be excluded |
| 01:15.39 | quitte | gimmebeer: ok. still i'd like to know what gcc -dumpmachine outputs on your machine |
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| 01:16.05 | slack101 | Wyzard, ok i got that thing installed and all the other crap is removed |
| 01:16.08 | Wyzard | slack101: btw, you can write lines that begin with a slash by using "/say", or in some clients just by typing a double slash |
| 01:16.17 | Wyzard | /like/this/slack101 |
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| 01:16.19 | smacnay | Wyzard: I did that. dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 01:16.24 | slack101 | /test |
| 01:16.26 | slack101 | :) |
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| 01:16.27 | Wyzard | smacnay: no, update-initramfs -u |
| 01:16.41 | gimmebeer | quitte: it says "x86_64-linux-gnu" |
| 01:16.50 | smacnay | Wyzard: ah, then the dpkg instructions are incorrect - I will try that. |
| 01:17.04 | Wyzard | smacnay: dpkg-reconfigure might do it too, I dunno... never tried that |
| 01:17.16 | slack101 | Wyzard, so d o i run this command like inside of the kernel directory or something ? |
| 01:17.22 | Wyzard | slack101: yes |
| 01:17.28 | Wyzard | slack101: Unpack a fresh copy of the kernel source tree |
| 01:17.30 | slack101 | make clean first too right ? |
| 01:17.41 | slack101 | then i goit to patch again GRRR |
| 01:17.52 | Wyzard | slack101: Or you can just clean it, I guess |
| 01:18.06 | gimmebeer | quitte: I tried to ./configure my last git clone which worked the last time I tried it, now it is broken too |
| 01:18.16 | slack101 | Wyzard, how od i clean the modules ? |
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| 01:18.20 | smacnay | Wyzard: using udev, I still need to add an entry to the /etc/hotplug/blacklist file. I have already added the appropriate entry to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 01:19.05 | Wyzard | smacnay: I haven't needed to do that, but my use of blacklisting is generally limited to blacklisting pcnet32 in VMware virtual machines so that vmxnet can be loaded instead |
| 01:19.35 | Wyzard | slack101: Doesn't "make clean" clean them? |
| 01:19.38 | smacnay | Wyzard: all I want to do is blacklist nvidiafb so that I can run X on the nvidia drivers. |
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| 01:19.50 | slack101 | Wyzard, well i didnt check but i know it was 2 commands to make them |
| 01:19.55 | slack101 | 2 different commands |
| 01:19.58 | wever | quitte, I did some googling but still can't figure what you had in mind with debian-multimedia. Is there a configuration file that sets the plugins for Iceweasel? |
| 01:20.05 | Wyzard | smacnay: You don't need to blacklist nvidiafb for that... it doesn't get used by default anyway |
| 01:20.07 | rissy | What is the required HorizSync and VertRefresh for 1280x1024 laptop resolution? |
| 01:20.15 | quitte | gimmebeer: did you buil your own compiler at some time? |
| 01:20.30 | slack101 | Wyzard, then run make-kpkg --inird ? |
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| 01:20.43 | Wyzard | rissy: It's specific to the monitor or LCD panel, but with modern hardware X can obtain the info from the monitor itself so you don't need to specify it |
| 01:20.47 | quitte | wever: dpkg told you. it's a repository of multimedia related debian patches. it has packages for what you want |
| 01:20.49 | Wyzard | slack101: yes |
| 01:20.58 | slack101 | is that the right command no typos ? |
| 01:21.15 | smacnay | Wyzard: it seems to get loaded |
| 01:21.23 | Wyzard | slack101: You need to specify the build target too: make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image |
| 01:21.25 | gimmebeer | quitte: nope, I only build custom kernels and wine - kernel has been working fine in the last two weeks |
| 01:21.34 | rissy | whenout specifiying it, it automaticly goes to 1024x768. i have specified it, but that's the highest it goes to at the moment. it has lower resolutions now as well though |
| 01:21.43 | slack101 | Wyzard, what do you mean could you give me an example ? |
| 01:21.43 | rissy | i would like it to be 1280x1024 though |
| 01:21.56 | rissy | 915resolution worked once, but it's stopped working for some reason :( |
| 01:21.59 | Wyzard | slack101: "kernel-image" tells it to build the kernel |
| 01:22.18 | Wyzard | slack101: as opposed to making a package of the headers, or building third-party modules like the nVidia driver |
| 01:22.20 | rissy | how would i obtain such information abot my monitor's rates? |
| 01:22.26 | rissy | *about |
| 01:22.35 | slack101 | so run this command : make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image ?? |
| 01:22.36 | Wyzard | rissy: How old is your laptop? |
| 01:22.39 | Wyzard | slack101: yes |
| 01:22.44 | smacnay | is kernel-package what I need to hand-role my own kernel and make a .deb out of it? |
| 01:22.44 | rissy | i got it about 3 months ago |
| 01:23.00 | quitte | gimmebeer: hmm. try reinstalling gcc-4.1 |
| 01:23.06 | Wyzard | smacnay: Make sure you haven't put it in /etc/modules or something |
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| 01:23.11 | quitte | gimmebeer: maybe some filesystem corruption |
| 01:23.16 | smacnay | Wyzard: no, not there - I checked. |
| 01:23.20 | slack101 | Wyzard, its going hope it works |
| 01:23.26 | Wyzard | smacnay: yes, that's what kernel-package is for |
| 01:23.37 | Wyzard | rissy: You can just omit HorizSync and VertRefresh entirely |
| 01:23.45 | quitte | gimmebeer: lines 71-74 are the interesting ones in that log |
| 01:24.03 | rissy | Wyzard, but then the resolution i want still doesn't work. |
| 01:24.08 | slack101 | Wyzard, prolly gonna take a while |
| 01:24.10 | smacnay | Wyzard: I am going to try to make my own and leave stuff I don't need out |
| 01:24.23 | rissy | Wyzard, it's dual boot with windows, and windows lists / uses the resolution i want. |
| 01:24.40 | gimmebeer | quitte: thank you for pointing that out, I'm going through a checklist now |
| 01:24.52 | quitte | is there a gnome terminal where i can have a splitscreen? |
| 01:24.56 | Wyzard | rissy: In fact, since it's an LCD, you can probably omit the SubSection "Display" stuff with the Modes lines too; X will ask the monitor for its preferred resolution and use that |
| 01:25.06 | Wyzard | smacnay: What for? |
| 01:25.16 | rissy | ah okay, i'll try that thanks |
| 01:25.39 | rainabba_ | http://debian.beryl-project.org/ Anyone else see "You reached the shrine of osaka. Bow before her" ? Is that what should be there? |
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| 01:25.40 | Wyzard | smacnay: If you mean things like drivers for hardware you don't have, that's just a few megabytes of disk space for .ko files that never get loaded; it's irrelevant |
| 01:26.39 | quitte | rainabba_: what i'm getting looks totally different |
| 01:26.52 | rissy | it hasn't got the "Display" SubSection anyways heh |
| 01:26.54 | rainabba_ | quitte: What IP get's resolved for that host? |
| 01:26.55 | Wyzard | rissy: If you need 915resolution to get X to make the video card actually use 1280x1024, that's a different matter, but for telling X that it *should* be using 1280x1024, on a modern laptop LCD it can figure that out on its own |
| 01:27.04 | slack101 | Wyzard, how long does this usually take ? |
| 01:27.17 | rissy | it's not lol |
| 01:27.20 | Wyzard | rissy: That's surprising, because it's there by default in the xorg configs that Debian uses |
| 01:27.26 | rissy | and 915resolution worked once, but it doesn't work now :S |
| 01:27.27 | Wyzard | slack101: same length of time it took last time you compiled it |
| 01:27.37 | slack101 | i went to bned |
| 01:27.39 | slack101 | bed |
| 01:27.47 | Wyzard | rissy: I don't know much about 915resolution, though; my laptop doesn't need it |
| 01:27.53 | gimmebeer | quitte: found the culprit |
| 01:27.53 | rissy | ah okay |
| 01:27.55 | quitte | rainabba_: 208.113.193.9 80.77.247.17 82.140.42.54 |
| 01:27.58 | rissy | i'll try fiddle around with it then |
| 01:28.05 | quitte | gimmebeer: what was it? |
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| 01:28.15 | Wyzard | rissy: (surprisingly, since it's 1280x800 which isn't a standard mode... I figured xorg had the custom-resolution stuff built-in these days, but maybe not) |
| 01:28.30 | rissy | btw, what's the worst that can happen if i put the Hert thingy to high, will X just not start or? |
| 01:28.39 | gimmebeer | quitte: gcc-4.1-multilib was required but missing for unknown reason :-? |
| 01:29.19 | Wyzard | rissy: On an old CRT, you can burn it out by overdriving it... on modern hardware, at worst you'll get a blank screen |
| 01:29.29 | Wyzard | rissy: but you really don't need to specify those rates at all |
| 01:29.31 | rissy | ah okay |
| 01:29.36 | rissy | aight |
| 01:29.49 | rainabba_ | quite: I'm getting 80.77.247.17 and that's the bad one. The 1st IP you gave looks like it may be ok. |
| 01:30.22 | Wyzard | slack101: Why do you need vserver 2.2, btw? |
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| 01:31.53 | gimmebeer | quitte: now how do I get rid of all those useless libs build-dep brought in ? :) |
| 01:32.53 | Internat | is there a way to install the dependancies for a package without actually installing the package\ |
| 01:33.21 | quitte | gimmebeer: ugh. maybe someone else has a better answer. i still use debfoster as i never got to like aptitude |
| 01:34.34 | quitte | Internat: why would you want to do that? |
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| 01:34.51 | Internat | cause ive compoiled the package manually but want the dependanices for it? |
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| 01:35.14 | rainabba_ | 208.113.193.9 (for debian.beryl-project.org) doesn't look like an apt repo. |
| 01:35.26 | gimmebeer | quitte: didn't know about debfoster, I'll take a look |
| 01:35.32 | Wyzard | Internat: When you said you were going to rebuilt apache2.2-common, I thought you meant you were going to modify it and then build a new .deb from it |
| 01:35.37 | slack101 | Wyzard, it has a feature that the old one is missing Wyzard trust me |
| 01:35.39 | Internat | i am |
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| 01:35.50 | Internat | i did infact |
| 01:35.55 | Wyzard | Internat: then the .deb has the appropriate dependencies |
| 01:36.00 | Internat | oh.. my bad |
| 01:36.04 | Internat | :) |
| 01:36.13 | Wyzard | Internat: Install it with dpkg, and then "apt-get install -f" to get the dependencies |
| 01:36.23 | Internat | ah! ta!! |
| 01:36.33 | quitte | gimmebeer: be careful. it's no very intelligent. just knows about dependencies and not about suggests and recommends, i think |
| 01:36.44 | Internat | isnt there normally a hosts file, that you can use to manually say this hostname is this ip? |
| 01:36.47 | Internat | i thought it was /etc/hsots |
| 01:36.49 | Internat | hosts* |
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| 01:37.12 | Wyzard | gimmebeer: aptitude is much more powerful than debfoster for managing dependencies |
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| 01:37.20 | Wyzard | Internat: yes, that's /etc/hosts |
| 01:37.33 | quitte | Internat: if you compiled it on the same machine you already have the dependencies installed |
| 01:37.41 | Internat | my box doesnt have it.. interesting |
| 01:38.11 | Wyzard | Internat: It's there by default on any Debian system |
| 01:38.18 | Wyzard | gets created during installation |
| 01:38.30 | Internat | hmms |
| 01:38.37 | Internat | i think this box is borked |
| 01:38.44 | quitte | Internat: did you install with debootstrap? |
| 01:38.48 | Internat | yes |
| 01:38.52 | Wyzard | oh, that's different |
| 01:39.03 | Wyzard | Did you read the installation instructions on how to do a debootstrap install? |
| 01:39.15 | Internat | its a uml box.. i followed a tutorial or 2 |
| 01:39.26 | quitte | that'S the reason then. add 127.0.0.1. that should speed up a lot of things. also add an entry for your hostnae |
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| 01:39.38 | Wyzard | Internat: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 01:39.53 | Wyzard | Internat: the official docs on how to install Debian with debootstrap |
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| 01:40.19 | Internat | awsome, thanks |
| 01:40.24 | Wyzard | Internat: It describes all the other stuff that needs to be done after deboostratp is done |
| 01:40.54 | gimmebeer | how do I list build-dep for a given package ? |
| 01:41.16 | Wyzard | gimmebeer: apt-get showsrc <package> IIRC |
| 01:43.10 | Internat | hey wait a second.. i thought if u installed somethign though dpkg -i rathern then apt, that apt knew nothing about it? |
| 01:43.26 | gimmebeer | Wyzard: found it, it's apt-cache showsrc <pkg> |
| 01:43.26 | Wyzard | Internat: apt is just a frontend that downloads .deb files and runs dpkg to install them |
| 01:43.35 | Wyzard | gimmebeer: ah, I was close :-) |
| 01:43.45 | gimmebeer | Wyzard: yes, thank you :) |
| 01:43.48 | Internat | thats what i thought as well, but i was told different |
| 01:43.57 | Wyzard | Internat: you were told wrong, then |
| 01:44.15 | Internat | so in that case, when i compile and build a deb myself from apt-get source. how come when i do an apt-get update/upgrade it tries to overwrite my verison? |
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| 01:45.17 | Wyzard | Internat: because your custom package has the same version number as the one in the archive, and when apt sees two different packages with the same version number it prefers the version from the archive |
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| 01:45.38 | Wyzard | Internat: If you run "dch -i" in the source tree prior to building, you can bump the version number so that won't happen |
| 01:45.53 | Wyzard | Internat: (you'll be adding a new changelog entry, as if it were an NMU) |
| 01:46.07 | Internat | ah ok |
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| 01:47.25 | ghatak | Hi guys, I have one of my mirrored disk has done out of sync, my system reports md0 is out of sync, mdstat say that one of the slice has failed. when i do mdadm /dev/md0 -r /dev/sdc1 i get the error, device or resource busy. Anyway to get around that ? |
| 01:48.22 | slack101 | Wyzard, shit is still compiling |
| 01:48.35 | Internat | shouldnt it automaticly resync? |
| 01:48.58 | Wyzard | ghatak: Not if it's marked as failed |
| 01:49.04 | Wyzard | ghatak: How did it get out-of-sync? |
| 01:49.23 | rainabba_ | I'd like to install Beryl but the repos look to be sick at the moment. Suggestions? |
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| 01:49.34 | Wyzard | rainabba_: Beryl isn't packaged in Debian |
| 01:49.57 | rainabba_ | ? |
| 01:50.23 | quitte | rainabba_: iow ask #beryl |
| 01:50.26 | Wyzard | There's no official Debian package of Beryl |
| 01:50.51 | Wyzard | There might be unofficial packages somewhere, but if those unofficial repositories aren't working, #debian isn't the place to ask about them |
| 01:52.12 | rainabba_ | http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian "http://debian.beryl-project.org/" isn't official then? Official packages will always be at debian.org? |
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| 01:52.45 | Wyzard | rainabba_: debian.beryl-project.org is not debian.org |
| 01:53.05 | Wyzard | rainabba_: and no, that's not official |
| 01:53.52 | Wyzard | rainabba_: The Debian archive has lots of mirrors so it's not really true to say that official packages can only come from debian.org, but it's true to say that official packages only come from mirrors of the official archive |
| 01:54.12 | gimmebeer | rainabba_: FWIW compiz is included in debian, compiz and beryl are in the process of being merged anyway |
| 01:54.21 | smacnay | I am getting an error when trying to make menuconfig to start my own kernel build. The error centers on /scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog and checklist stuff |
| 01:54.47 | Wyzard | smacnay: You need to install libncurses5-dev |
| 01:54.58 | Wyzard | since menuconfig uses ncurses |
| 01:54.58 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 01:55.26 | Kobaz | so i'm getting: /dev/hda6 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! when i do a mke2fs -j /dev/hda6... |
| 01:55.43 | Wyzard | Kobaz: fuser /dev/hda6 |
| 01:55.43 | smacnay | Wyzard: got it, thanks |
| 01:55.46 | Kobaz | yeah nothing |
| 01:55.52 | Wyzard | dunno then |
| 01:55.55 | smacnay | Wyzard: I just rtfm on make-kernel-package |
| 01:56.18 | Kobaz | Wyzard: when i strace it's getting a device or resource busy |
| 01:56.34 | Kobaz | Wyzard: nothing is accessing it in userspace that i know of |
| 01:56.41 | Wyzard | Are you running fuser as root? |
| 01:56.44 | Kobaz | yeah |
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| 01:56.46 | fedor_emeliank | Hi! I was using Windows XP until last week, now I am using Debian. But sometimes it seems that Debian is slower than MS Windows XP, specially when I use Firefox on Gnome. Does anyone knows why this is happening? |
| 01:57.17 | Kobaz | this is really bugging me, i cant make a fs to actually set up stuff |
| 01:57.34 | Wyzard | fedor_emeliank: It's not surprising that it's faster in some things and slower in others, but without any details you're not likely to get a detailed answer about that |
| 01:57.38 | Kevin` | fedor_emeliank do you have proper video drivers installed? it can be slow if your using vesa |
| 01:57.45 | smacnay | How many role their own kernels and use initramfs? |
| 01:58.01 | Wyzard | smacnay: I used to until a few months ago when I decided it was pointless |
| 01:58.13 | Kevin` | smacnay I roll my own kernels a lot, but I have only needed an initramfs once |
| 01:58.14 | smacnay | Wyzard: pointless using initramfs? |
| 01:58.17 | fedor_emeliank | Kevin`: is i am using nvidia official drivers |
| 01:58.23 | smacnay | Wyzard: thanks |
| 01:58.25 | smacnay | Kevin`: thanks |
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| 01:59.02 | Wyzard | smacnay: pointless to build my own kernel... the only thing I really needed it for was kernel-patch-debianlogo, which is hardly essential, and the default configuration is fine |
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| 01:59.34 | quitte | fedor_emeliank: wild guess: flash is slower? |
| 02:00.06 | fedor_emeliank | quitte: yes, sometimes it seems slower |
| 02:00.34 | quitte | fedor_emeliank: do you have flashplugin-nonfree installed? |
| 02:00.43 | Kevin` | psst: gnome and firefox are some of the slower things in existance |
| 02:00.44 | rainabba_ | gimmebeer: Not heard of compiz. I'll check that out, ty. |
| 02:00.50 | grendal_prime | soooo no way to like do some sort of apt-get --reversowritty thing that takes all you shiznit and builds an install disk with your system on it? |
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| 02:01.06 | Wyzard | rainabba_: Compiz is the original project that Beryl forked from |
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| 02:01.19 | Wyzard | rainabba_: It's regarded as being more stable but less featureful than Beryl |
| 02:01.28 | fedor_emeliank | actually i am using firefox, not iceweasel, so i have flash from macromedia |
| 02:01.29 | Wyzard | rainabba_: but the two are now being merged back together |
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| 02:02.05 | quitte | fedor_emeliank: then here is the wrong place to ask about it |
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| 02:03.02 | fedor_emeliank | quitte: but my problem has nothing to do with flash, i don't agree with this iceweasel thing, so i don't use it, i am free to do this, ok? |
| 02:03.19 | rainabba_ | Re: Compiz, yah, screenshots don't look any different as far as the main affects |
| 02:03.37 | rainabba_ | So I should go with Compiz? When they're merged, will it be under that same name? |
| 02:03.52 | quitte | you are. but you can't expect support for it here. ask #firefox for example |
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| 02:05.03 | Wyzard | rainabba_: The merged project is called "Compiz Fusion", but I don't know what the Debian package will be called... possibly "compiz", or possibly something like "compiz-fusion" |
| 02:05.07 | fedor_emeliank | firefox is not the only program that seems slower, others are slow too... does linux run faster than microsoft windows xp on your computer? |
| 02:05.22 | rainabba_ | Wyzard: ty |
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| 02:05.31 | gimmebeer | Wyzard: I've found the package 'deborphan' which helps to find unused packages. I'm going to try that out... let's see if it helps! |
| 02:05.31 | quitte | xp never was on my computer |
| 02:05.46 | Kevin` | fedor_emeliank for some things it runs faster, for some things it runs slower.. |
| 02:05.52 | Wyzard | gimmebeer: deborphan is even less powerful than debfoster |
| 02:05.56 | corran | Hmmm, are there any plans/solutions for fixing the delightful paravirt_ops problem in the debian kernels/ati/nvidia drivers? |
| 02:06.11 | Wyzard | corran: It's a kernel regression that's scheduled to be fixed in 2.6.22 |
| 02:06.21 | corran | Ah, ok |
| 02:06.24 | Wyzard | corran: paravirt_ops was not supposed to be GPL-only |
| 02:06.43 | Wyzard | corran: though oddly, nvidia is working for me on 2.6.21 |
| 02:06.43 | fedor_emeliank | Kevin` does openoffice is slow on your computer too? |
| 02:07.06 | Kevin` | fedor_emeliank openoffice is about the same between os |
| 02:07.07 | corran | Wyzard: yeah, and I know how to fix it (recompile my kernel) I just prefer not to kick it if I don't have to. |
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| 02:07.31 | corran | Wyzard: are you running a stock kernel or a debian version? |
| 02:07.33 | fedor_emeliank | ok, thanks |
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| 02:07.41 | Wyzard | corran: stock 2.6.21-1-amd64 |
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| 02:07.45 | corran | s/stock/custom |
| 02:07.51 | corran | hmmm |
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| 02:08.06 | corran | I wonder if they didn't enable it for amd64 |
| 02:08.06 | Wyzard | corran: Anyway, you can recompile without paravirt for now, and hopefully when 2.6.22 comes along it'll be better |
| 02:08.17 | Wyzard | corran: Well, I ran into the problem with 2.6.20 |
| 02:08.29 | Wyzard | also on amd64, same computer |
| 02:08.52 | corran | yeah, I just dislike recompiling the kernel for one single option |
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| 02:09.07 | corran | (and a small one at that) |
| 02:09.18 | Wyzard | so do I -- I held back on 2.6.18 until 2.6.21 came along and I found it worked |
| 02:09.24 | cartesian1984 | Hey. I'm considering moving to EM64T. Can I expect lots of things to not work? |
| 02:09.47 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: I'm running a Core 2 Duo E6600 and Debian works fine |
| 02:09.52 | cafuego | corran: alternatively, you can patch the paravirt_ops modude to not be GPL |
| 02:10.00 | cartesian1984 | Wyzard: no problems with flash or java even? |
| 02:10.07 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: The only notable problems I've seen is that there's no 64-bit Flash and no 64-bit Java plugin |
| 02:10.24 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: but I don't care too much about those |
| 02:10.30 | cartesian1984 | Wyzard: can I use a wrapper for those? |
| 02:10.37 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: Everything else I've used (notably, all the free software) works fine |
| 02:10.46 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: You can make a 32-bit chroot to run a 32-bit browser if you really need them |
| 02:10.56 | cafuego | cartesian1984: I run an amd64 desktop with nspluginwrapper for flash and youtube at least works fine. |
| 02:11.13 | fedor_emeliank | yesterday i noticed that the HPD (hits per day) count on distrowatch.com has been slowing down on all linux distributions the last copple of months... do you think that linux is loosing market share for microsoft windows vista and mac? |
| 02:11.17 | gimmebeer | cartesian1984: 32-bit flash works fine in 64-bit browsers, just use nspluginwrapper. Don't know about java, though. |
| 02:11.26 | cartesian1984 | Awesome. When I get a new hard disk I am doing 64-bit. |
| 02:11.41 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: debian-multimedia.org has a "macromedia-flash" package that does the nspluginwrapper thing cafuego mentioned, though it didn't seem to work when I installed it on my system... YMMV |
| 02:12.13 | cafuego | Wyzard: I built it from svn (and backaged it for ubuntu64) |
| 02:12.32 | Wyzard | fedor_emeliank: since distrowatch's HPD has nothing to do with market share, I doubt it |
| 02:12.33 | cartesian1984 | fedor_emeliank: nah. At least the important people haven't switched :D |
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| 02:13.03 | Wyzard | fedor_emeliank: it just means people are visiting distrowatch less, which is unsurprising to me since I very rarely visit distrowatch (and I use Linux as my full-time primary OS) |
| 02:13.06 | nicmac | Hi. How can I make a .iso on disk out of a cdrom? |
| 02:13.33 | Wyzard | nicmac: "readcd" from the cdrecord package, or just dd if=/dev/cdrom of=foo.iso bs=2k |
| 02:13.33 | cafuego | nicmac: via 'dd' -> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=cdrom.iso |
| 02:13.39 | fedor_emeliank | ok, because we are considering change the computers at scholl from windows to linux, but that let me worried |
| 02:13.41 | nicmac | thanks! |
| 02:15.47 | fedor_emeliank | but i have to give a good reason for the others, since microsoft is suporting windows xp until 2014 |
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| 02:17.33 | Wyzard | fedor_emeliank: Less susceptibility to malware would be one good reason, especially if they're public computers used by many people |
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| 02:18.40 | fedor_emeliank | Wyzard: that is what i am going to say |
| 02:18.59 | stoned | ok I am back on debian yippy |
| 02:19.19 | stoned | no more beryl on this pc cuz it has fglrx |
| 02:19.39 | stoned | I don't want to do Xgl or I could |
| 02:19.49 | gimmebeer | fedor_emeliank: two things I like about linux, my file system of choice doesn't get fragmented, and there is no registry |
| 02:19.56 | smacnay | IS it APIC or ACPI one should not put in a kernel by default? |
| 02:20.47 | quitte | smacnay: imho bot should be in the kernel by default for any reasonably new machine |
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| 02:21.15 | slack101 | Wyzard, you there ? |
| 02:21.26 | slack101 | its done |
| 02:21.29 | Internat | hey Wyzard, did u say the command to increment the version number was dch -i? |
| 02:21.34 | fedor_emeliank | gimmebeer: i always had much trouble because of virus, spyware, so this is good... one other good thing i like is that updating all the programs is easy, in windows is very hard to update the non microsoft applications |
| 02:21.45 | slack101 | Wyzard, anything else i gotta do ? |
| 02:22.01 | smacnay | quitte: thanks |
| 02:22.20 | Wyzard | Internat: yes |
| 02:22.20 | stoned | Why did I install debian etch? |
| 02:22.36 | Internat | hmms.. im getting command not found.. *goes looking for what package he is missing |
| 02:22.36 | stoned | dadumdeda |
| 02:22.42 | slack101 | how od i install a .deb ? |
| 02:22.51 | slack101 | dpkg -l dfdf.deb ? |
| 02:22.51 | dpkg | ii dfdf.deb 2.3-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 02:22.53 | stoned | dpkg -i file.deb |
| 02:23.04 | quitte | fedor_emeliank: also you can pressed the debian installer or even use fully automated installs. that way reinstalling all machines might become an option |
| 02:23.11 | stoned | fedor kicks ass |
| 02:23.13 | quitte | s/pressed/preseed |
| 02:23.20 | Internat | devscripts.. |
| 02:23.21 | stoned | and his brother is a good fighter too |
| 02:23.31 | quitte | that's possible with windows,too of cours. but more complex/expensive |
| 02:23.36 | stoned | red devils |
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| 02:25.38 | stoned | I still have windows on my other 250gb disk from which I didn't boot |
| 02:25.50 | stoned | I am pondering what to do with it, just leave it alone or format it |
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| 02:26.06 | fedor_emeliank | quitte: yes this sounds good... i had some trouble with fedora because it does update everything, so if you get fedora 7 today, that was realeased this month, you will have to download 200mb |
| 02:26.07 | cavemen | hi |
| 02:26.10 | stoned | hi |
| 02:26.12 | cavemen | !amd64 |
| 02:26.12 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about nspluginwrapper |
| 02:26.18 | stoned | cavemen: areyou more than one man? |
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| 02:26.33 | cavemen | stoned: what u mean? |
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| 02:27.27 | nicmac | Hello. Is it possible that the Debian wine package lacks OpenGL support? |
| 02:27.44 | stoned | I think it doesn't |
| 02:27.50 | stoned | I dunno, I ran diablo 2 in it |
| 02:27.51 | quitte | fedor_emeliank: sorry, i didn't get it |
| 02:27.54 | stoned | that count? |
| 02:28.08 | cavemen | anyone know here if Frostwire is installable on amd64 |
| 02:28.12 | cavemen | thanks |
| 02:28.19 | gimmebeer | cave, yes |
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| 02:28.32 | gimmebeer | cavemen: did that some time ago, though |
| 02:28.40 | slack101 | Wyzard, how can i make it so lilo only runs this kernel once ? |
| 02:28.45 | slack101 | in case it does not work ? |
| 02:28.55 | cavemen | gimmebeer: awsome, is it a special deb? or the same that's on the website? |
| 02:28.58 | quitte | slack101: you can't |
| 02:29.04 | slack101 | i cant ? |
| 02:29.12 | gimmebeer | cavemen: it was the one on the site IIRC |
| 02:29.13 | quitte | slack101: lilo cannot store data anywhere |
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| 02:29.41 | Wyzard | slack101: dunno, I don't use lilo |
| 02:29.47 | quitte | slack101: you alway have to writeall of lilo to the bootrecord for every option you change |
| 02:30.00 | cavemen | gimmebeer: thanks |
| 02:30.53 | fedor_emeliank | hey, thank you for your help, i have to go, bye |
| 02:31.00 | quitte | kthxbye |
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| 02:32.21 | slack101 | Wyzard, i mena its all installed i made the new lilo record |
| 02:32.24 | slack101 | should i restart? |
| 02:32.34 | slack101 | anyway i can test the kernel from what i have runnign now ? |
| 02:32.43 | slack101 | damn i really jus want this to work |
| 02:33.01 | Wyzard | slack101: The only way to test whether the kernel boots correctly is to boot it |
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| 02:33.19 | Wyzard | slack101: but you could try it on a local system before rebooting your remote server |
| 02:33.27 | slack101 | hmmm |
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| 02:34.26 | slack101 | http://swoolley.org/man.cgi/lilo |
| 02:34.28 | slack101 | look |
| 02:34.30 | slack101 | lilo -R |
| 02:35.28 | slack101 | i think this can be used just to run the kernel once |
| 02:35.39 | quitte | slack101: wow. didn't know that was possible. sorry for the misinformation |
| 02:35.56 | Wyzard | yes, you'd have to configure lilo so that the known-working kernel is the default, and then use -R to specify the new one once |
| 02:36.38 | slack101 | ah |
| 02:36.39 | quitte | hmm i'd think the oldkernel shoul be the default and the -R option should boot the new kernel once |
| 02:36.44 | slack101 | so in the lilo.conf put the old one ? |
| 02:37.03 | quitte | slack101: you need both in lilo.conf |
| 02:37.08 | slack101 | o? |
| 02:37.13 | slack101 | this has me kinda lost |
| 02:37.34 | slack101 | i really hope this kernel works btw |
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| 02:37.46 | Kobaz | anyone know if there is a kernel option to disable device mapper |
| 02:37.54 | quitte | slack101: http://swoolley.org/man.cgi?q=lilo.conf |
| 02:38.17 | Wyzard | Kobaz: I doubt it... the way to not use device-mapper would be to not start any services which use it |
| 02:38.28 | Wyzard | Kobaz: seems like a strange thing to do, though |
| 02:39.04 | slack101 | quitte, what am i suppose ot be looking at ? |
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| 02:39.09 | jbinder | Hi. |
| 02:39.22 | jbinder | All I want to do is install gtk-chtheme. |
| 02:39.31 | jbinder | http://paste.tonybox.net/152 |
| 02:39.49 | slack101 | oh what the hell just restart ? |
| 02:40.02 | quitte | slack101: how to add more than one kernel. the default option and the labels |
| 02:40.13 | jbinder | http://paste.tonybox.net/153 |
| 02:40.16 | jbinder | Look at those two pastes. |
| 02:40.30 | quitte | slack101: then it seems to me you can use -R label to boot your kernel once |
| 02:40.48 | slack101 | how will it know just to di it once ? |
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| 02:41.03 | Wyzard | because that's what -R does |
| 02:41.27 | slack101 | i mean |
| 02:41.38 | slack101 | lilo -R specified-kernel ? |
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| 02:42.01 | slack101 | how does lilo know which kernel just to boot once ? |
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| 02:43.35 | slack101 | or should i jus go for it and pray ? |
| 02:43.39 | Spyro_boy | Hello, jbinder is having problems installing gtk-chtheme through apt. Infering that the package exists because other people do have it in their apt, and their sources.list is the same, apt-get doesn't find the package and aptitude tries to uninstall certain needed packages. http://paste.tonybox.net/152 http://paste.tonybox.net/153 |
| 02:43.44 | Spyro_boy | What do you guys think? |
| 02:43.50 | nicmac | Hi. I can't find a xorg-x11-devel package for debian, is there one? |
| 02:43.53 | Smerdyakov | Anyone experienced this kind of issue after a recent testing upgrade: When viewing DVDs in several viewers in X, it's not possible to scale the video past a certain size by resizing a window. The larger the window, the more of the image's righthand side is covered by a blue rectangle. |
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| 02:44.37 | gimmebeer | where do aptitude and apt-get get their input to choose the language ? |
| 02:45.13 | slack101 | Wyzard, shouldi just go for it ? |
| 02:45.20 | slack101 | and hope it reboots ? |
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| 02:45.22 | Wyzard | Smerdyakov: sounds like a driver bug... the blue rectangle is what the window actually "contains", and the video gets overlaid on top of it by separate hardware in the video card |
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| 02:45.23 | Spyro_boy | gimmebeer, the locale variables. I forgot where they're set though. |
| 02:45.43 | Smerdyakov | Wyzard, if it _is_ a driver bug, it always worked before. :-( |
| 02:46.05 | Spyro_boy | gimmebeer, there's a small front-end app for changing the values. I forgot what it's called though. |
| 02:46.08 | Wyzard | Smerdyakov: Well, you're running testing -- report the bug :-) |
| 02:46.23 | nicmac | There only seem to be RPMs for xorg-x11-devel, is there something equivalent for debian? |
| 02:46.34 | gimmebeer | Spyro_boy: you mean dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 02:46.44 | Spyro_boy | gimmebeer, that might be it. |
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| 02:46.49 | Spyro_boy | Try it. |
| 02:46.55 | jbinder | Try what? :\ |
| 02:47.04 | Smerdyakov | Wyzard, what's the easiest way to find out which display driver I'm using? |
| 02:47.06 | GenNMX | Does anyone here know how to reset a LVM where the drive assignment was changed for one of the drives? I did a pvcreate --uuid "missing uuid" --restorefile /etc/lvm/archive/VolumeGroupName_XXXX.vg /dev/sdd1 && vgcfgbackup && vgcfgrestore VolumeGroupName, which allows me to activate it again, but its partition can't be found. |
| 02:47.07 | Spyro_boy | jbinder, not talking to you. |
| 02:47.09 | Wyzard | nicmac: xorg-dev perhaps |
| 02:47.11 | jbinder | Ok. |
| 02:48.13 | nicmac | Wyzard: thanks |
| 02:48.18 | gimmebeer | Spyro_boy: that was it, thank you |
| 02:48.34 | Spyro_boy | gimmebeer, no problem. |
| 02:48.39 | Wyzard | This is weird... aptitude is being rather slow, and pegging my CPU, "initializing package states" |
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| 02:48.46 | Wyzard | probably related to the recent apt upgrade |
| 02:48.54 | gimmebeer | spyro: changed my default locale but aptitude still show up in the wrong language, do I have to reboot ? |
| 02:49.08 | Spyro_boy | gimmebeer, hrmm? |
| 02:49.10 | RememberPOL | Does Debian use KDE as it's default desktop environment? |
| 02:49.11 | Spyro_boy | Mm... |
| 02:49.14 | Spyro_boy | gimmebeer, you have to log out. |
| 02:49.28 | Wyzard | RememberPOL: KDE is available, but GNOME is the default |
| 02:49.32 | Spyro_boy | gimmebeer, the values are stored in the environment variables. |
| 02:49.43 | RememberPOL | Wyzard: Thanks. |
| 02:49.49 | Spyro_boy | gimmebeer, so logout and log back in. |
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| 02:50.02 | Kobaz | GenNMX: i had some trouble a while ago when i removed some drives that no partitions were using, but i never removed them from the lvm.. theres a fixmissing option if i remember, or some sort of rebuild thinger |
| 02:51.09 | Wyzard | GenNMX: What do you mean by "drive assignment" ? |
| 02:51.14 | GenNMX | Kobaz: The drive is no longer "missing", as I made it show up under pvscan and vgscan, but the partition isn't accessible anymore. |
| 02:51.17 | Wyzard | GenNMX: If you mean its name in /dev, LVM doesn't care about that |
| 02:51.28 | Kobaz | GenNMX: lvs doesnt show anything? |
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| 02:52.24 | gimmebeer | Spyro_boy: perfect thanks, please excuse the newbieness :) |
| 02:52.26 | GenNMX | Wyzard: Apparently it does, since the /dev name changed to sdd1 and pvscan showed it as "unknown device" with lvm2 metadata. That's when I did pvcreate --uuid "missing uuid" --restorefile foo /dev/sdd1 on it |
| 02:52.48 | ClickClickBoom | expt |
| 02:52.50 | ClickClickBoom | exit |
| 02:52.52 | GenNMX | Wyzard: It was also spouting errors about not being able to find one of the uuids |
| 02:53.12 | Wyzard | GenNMX: It doesn't, or at least it shouldn't -- it scans devices looking for PV signatures and recognizes them that way; device names are irrelevant |
| 02:53.18 | GenNMX | Kobaz: lvs shows it fine |
| 02:53.22 | Wyzard | GenNMX: I've had devices change names lots of times; LVM doesn't care |
| 02:53.30 | Kobaz | GenNMX: well that's good |
| 02:53.38 | karsten | So who's in the Chicago area? |
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| 02:53.56 | Spyro_boy | gimmebeer, no problem whatsoever. I'm not that amazing compared to some people anyway. |
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| 02:54.18 | Spyro_boy | Besides, gimmebeer, you found the answer to the first one yourself. ;) |
| 02:54.34 | Spyro_boy | The first step to learning is initive. |
| 02:54.36 | Kobaz | GenNMX: anything good in /dev/mapper ? |
| 02:54.43 | Spyro_boy | inititive* |
| 02:54.51 | Spyro_boy | Damn, that doesn't look right. |
| 02:54.52 | Spyro_boy | oh-well |
| 02:54.57 | Wyzard | GenNMX: and UUID-related errors are definitely not related to a device-name change |
| 02:54.57 | GenNMX | Wyzard: Well it definately cared this time. Note that I added a drive to a PCI SATA/IDE combo controller, and added a second SATA controller which now is detected before the old SATA controller. |
| 02:55.03 | Wyzard | GenNMX: Bad sectors or buggy driver maybe? |
| 02:55.40 | slack101 | Wyzard, how do i use this -R ? |
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| 02:55.42 | Wyzard | GenNMX: Swapping controller order doesn't matter... I used to have two IDE controllers that would swap their order all the time (it was a race condition which driver udev loaded first at boot time) and it never made any difference |
| 02:56.03 | Marcolop | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.13 | GenNMX | Wyzard: I doubt it was a coincidence all this happened RIGHT after I swapped around the order of the HDDs about 2 hours ago. It had been working fine for 6 months. |
| 02:56.27 | karsten | GenNMX: This is one of those situations in which LVM and/or partition labeling mihgt actually e a solution. |
| 02:56.49 | Wyzard | karsten: GenNMX is using LVM |
| 02:56.51 | GenNMX | Kobaz: Yes, the lv is active, it's just the ext3 partition on it can't be located. |
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| 02:58.02 | RememberPOL | Does Debian use a GUI apt frontend? |
| 02:58.04 | GenNMX | Wyzard: Forget the missing UUID -- I fixed that by using pvcreate --uuid "missing uuid" --restorefile lastgoodvgbackup /dev/sdd1. So everything's fine, except the partition can't be found on the lv. |
| 02:58.34 | RememberPOL | synaptic? |
| 02:58.47 | GenNMX | Wyzard: Oh, not just pvcreate. Also had to do vgcfgrestore. I had heard vgcfgrestore sometimes doesn't iterate the physical volumes correctly? |
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| 02:59.32 | GenNMX | Kobaz: Could I recreate the LVM without losing my data? |
| 03:00.32 | Kobaz | GenNMX: not easily |
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| 03:01.27 | Kobaz | GenNMX: try using testdisk on the logical volume |
| 03:01.41 | Kobaz | don't have it make any changes unless your absolutly sure you want to do them |
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| 03:02.41 | Kobaz | if you are in dire need of not losing your data, idealy you can get another set of disks very similar to what's in your lvm, dd from the lvm to your new disks... and monkey with the new disks... if you screw up, you recopy from the source |
| 03:02.46 | karsten | Wyzard: There you go. |
| 03:02.55 | slack101 | Wyzard, didnt work |
| 03:02.59 | slack101 | new kernel did NOT work |
| 03:03.03 | slack101 | f*ck |
| 03:03.14 | RememberPOL | Does Debian use or have an equivalent to Ubuntu's 'gnome-app-install'? |
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| 03:03.42 | Wyzard | Is your patched kernel the same version as the one you took the config from? |
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| 03:04.17 | karsten | RememberPOL: Well, what's Ubuntu's gnome-apt-install? |
| 03:04.28 | GenNMX | Kobaz: Heh, ah, scanning 778GB might take a while |
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| 03:04.42 | slack101 | Wyzard, that make-kpkg did it i thought |
| 03:04.45 | Kobaz | GenNMX: heh, but you want your data, right |
| 03:04.58 | GenNMX | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.05 | Wyzard | slack101: I'm not talking about how you build the kernel, I'm talking about the kernel itself |
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| 03:05.10 | Wyzard | slack101: The version, like 2.6.18 or whatever |
| 03:05.14 | Kobaz | GenNMX: i always run lvm on top of raid |
| 03:05.26 | Kobaz | GenNMX: i have a 900gig array over raid mirrors |
| 03:05.41 | slack101 | Wyzard, the one i installed just now is hgiher then that |
| 03:05.50 | Kobaz | GenNMX: so if something stupid were to happen, i have a copy i can work with |
| 03:05.57 | Wyzard | slack101: Don't use a config from one kernel version with a kernel of a different version |
| 03:05.57 | RememberPOL | karsten: It's a frontend to apt...it looks like kde has 'adept-installer' but since Debian uses GNOME by default, is synaptic the best you get? |
| 03:05.59 | Kobaz | and plus if one drive dies i don't lose everything |
| 03:06.06 | RememberPOL | karsten: http://www.kubuntu.org/images/adept-simple.png |
| 03:06.10 | Wyzard | slack101: Use the same version that the config was made for |
| 03:06.23 | GenNMX | Kobaz: By the way, testdisk is immediatly giving me "Partition sector doesn't have the endmark 0xAA55", let me start scanning... |
| 03:06.30 | karsten | RememberPOL: Prolly synaptic. |
| 03:06.47 | Kobaz | GenNMX: seems like something bad happened |
| 03:06.50 | karsten | RememberPOL: personally, I'd run aptitude. I don't care for GUI FEs. |
| 03:06.54 | GenNMX | Kobaz: Oh, this is a storage LVM. All important data is on a separate raid1 |
| 03:06.58 | RememberPOL | karsten: Do you have 'gnome-app-install'? |
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| 03:07.24 | Wyzard | GenNMX: I'm blaming bad sectors, maybe the drive got jostled when you installed the new controller, or maybe the controller is bad, or the cable is loose |
| 03:07.27 | Kobaz | GenNMX: that's good |
| 03:07.33 | RememberPOL | karsten: http://polishlinux.org/reviews/gnome-app-install/gnome-app-install.png |
| 03:07.35 | karsten | RememberPOL: /msg dpkg search. I don't see it. |
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| 03:08.45 | Kobaz | anyways |
| 03:08.47 | Kobaz | nap time |
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| 03:09.13 | feather | Is it possible to get compiz fusion working under debian etch? Or is that more of a debian testing thing? |
| 03:09.20 | karsten | RememberPOL: If you've got Ubuntu installed currently on a system, check the 'copyright' file under /usr/share/doc/gnome-apt-install (if that's the packagename) for the upstream source. |
| 03:09.28 | GenNMX | Kobaz: Hmmm maybe one of the drives is still flagged as bootable... |
| 03:10.03 | karsten | RememberPOL: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ also;. |
| 03:10.58 | karsten | RememberPOL: ... and I don't find it there either. Reconfirm your package name. I think you're looking at synaptic. |
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| 03:11.17 | GenNMX | Great, the best hit on Google for my issue is in German. |
| 03:11.42 | karsten | GenNMX: Language Tools is your friend. |
| 03:11.47 | karsten | GenNMX: What page? |
| 03:11.58 | GenNMX | karsten: Yeah, I translated it, and it wasn't actually very relevant |
| 03:12.24 | karsten | GenNMX: ... s/in German/& and isn't very relevant to boot/ ;-) |
| 03:13.03 | slack101 | Wyzard, where do i get that at ? |
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| 03:14.03 | RememberPOL | karsten: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/gnome/gnome-app-install |
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| 03:14.42 | karsten | RememberPOL: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/g/gnome-app-install/gnome-app-install_0.3.30/gnome-app-install.copyright |
| 03:15.10 | karsten | RememberPOL: It's ubuntu-specific. You might be able to install the deb under Debian, but you're pretty much on your own if you do. |
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| 03:16.19 | corran | so what fonts are you using in your terminals? |
| 03:16.41 | karsten | RememberPOL: Note that that's "gnome-APP-installer", not "gnome-APT-installer" |
| 03:16.46 | corran | this is an informal poll, as I need a new terminal font |
| 03:17.04 | karsten | Doh. |
| 03:17.10 | karsten | RememberPOL: NM, my own initial misread. |
| 03:18.05 | GenNMX | Hmmm, maybe it just didn't like my spliced molex splitter... |
| 03:18.11 | RememberPOL | corran: Monospace |
| 03:18.35 | karsten | corran: morese. |
| 03:18.42 | karsten | erm, morse |
| 03:18.46 | RememberPOL | lol |
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| 03:19.52 | \amethyst | corran: DejaVu Sans Mono or Bitstream Vera Sans Mono |
| 03:20.07 | \amethyst | usually the former since it has better unicode coverage |
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| 03:23.33 | karsten | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/iphone-gpl3-vista.htmlhttp://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/iphone-gpl3-vista.html |
| 03:23.52 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 03:27.40 | jbinder | Hello? |
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| 03:28.01 | jbinder | Spyro_boy: Boo |
| 03:28.19 | Spyro_boy | jbinder, not in the mood. |
| 03:28.35 | jbinder | I think I have etch. |
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| 03:28.59 | necrite_ | hello |
| 03:29.19 | netdaemon | Spyro_boy: |
| 03:29.26 | necrite_ | i have one proccess with 100% of my cpu.. i try kill -9 pid and still alive |
| 03:29.28 | necrite_ | any idea? |
| 03:29.46 | Spyro_boy | netdaemon, what? |
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| 03:30.21 | netdaemon | hi |
| 03:30.22 | netdaemon | =D |
| 03:30.29 | B_Raven | Hey |
| 03:30.59 | necrite_ | mm please :D |
| 03:31.02 | necrite_ | anyone |
| 03:31.11 | necrite_ | i cant kill one proccess |
| 03:31.33 | jbinder | Perhaps Spyro_boy is producing lots of copies of goatse on your system using a bash script... I had the same problem a few months ago... that was the reason. |
| 03:31.41 | jbinder | It got up to 22GB. |
| 03:32.08 | jbinder | Make aptitude install gtk-chtheme work :( |
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| 03:32.36 | liable | necrite_: try killing its parent |
| 03:32.41 | B_Raven | Sitting here scratching my head a wee bit. Currently running CRT monitors at 2x 1024x768 @ 85Hz, but gotten some nice shiny LCD monitors. However I'm fairly certain they wouldn't take all too kindly to my sync and refresh settings. Any idea for "safe" sync and refresh values to get the refresh down to around 60Hz for the LCD monitors? |
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| 03:34.10 | smacnay | what fun - hand compiling a kernel on a brand new system where I don't know any chipsets |
| 03:34.27 | liable | thats what lspci is for |
| 03:34.38 | liable | or checking whats loaded on the current kernel |
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| 03:35.27 | necrite_ | liable, still alive.. any other flag than -9 to kill one process |
| 03:35.45 | liable | necrite_: 9 is as nasty as it gets |
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| 03:37.20 | GenNMX | Kobaz: You still around? I ran testdisk and scanned the entire logical volume, but it didn't find any partitions. |
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| 03:39.47 | Hillview_ | having trouble getting debian-multimedia.org or any of its mirrors to work, anyone know of a fix or alternative? |
| 03:40.17 | GenNMX | Anyone else for recovering a missing partition on a logical volume? |
| 03:40.50 | Internat | anyone know if there is a commandline scanning software for a hp scanjet? |
| 03:41.04 | rainabba_ | There a meta-package for development (libc, build, make, etc...) ? |
| 03:41.57 | liable | rainabba_: build-essential |
| 03:42.01 | rainabba_ | ty |
| 03:42.24 | liable | Internat: if its supported, 'sane' |
| 03:42.39 | liable | Hillview_: whats the actual problem |
| 03:43.04 | Internat | any ideas how to use it |
| 03:45.08 | liable | visit the sane jomepage |
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| 03:48.18 | Guerin | liable: you lot deserve to win one every couple years |
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| 03:48.32 | GenNMX | I added a new PCI SATA controller to my server, along with 3 more HDDs, which changed the /dev order. At first my non-boot LVM gave "missing UUID" errors, but I fixed that with pvcreate --uuid "the missing uuid" --restorefile /etc/lvm/archive/volumegroup_xxxx.vg /dev/sdd1, and then vgcfgbackup && vgcfgrestore, which allowed me to activate the volume group and logical volume. But now the partition on my LVM has disappeared -- even a dee |
| 03:48.41 | Guerin | i expect some arses will be kicked over that result, though |
| 03:48.51 | liable | Guerin: the last play had me sitting on edge though |
| 03:48.58 | Guerin | liable: yeah, me too |
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| 03:49.11 | Guerin | but instead of going wide they tried to go up the middle, which was never on |
| 03:49.18 | Guerin | mortlock is a fucking hero |
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| 03:49.27 | liable | i had almost given up after the first half |
| 03:49.32 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:49.41 | Guerin | good thing the team hadn't |
| 03:49.47 | liable | heh |
| 03:50.05 | Guerin | i don't begrudge losses like that; the ABs didn't deserve a win, with their poor discipline and ball handling |
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| 03:51.32 | dragonfly | hi all |
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| 03:52.25 | rainabba_ | So I've installed the latest nVidia drviers, followed the steps at beryl-project.org for debian, then using Beryl Manager I selected Beryl as the Window Manager, but the selection doesn't stick and Beryl never becomes active. Now what? (Running Debian Etch) |
| 03:52.52 | liable | visit the beryl wiki |
| 03:54.16 | rainabba_ | That's where I started, but looking at it now I think I did miss a couple steps. I'll try again, ty. |
| 03:55.00 | dragonfly | ok, I am able to send emails to other servers, but when I log in to a different server (another email address I have) and try to send a message back to the server I am setting up, I get a 513 relaying denied error....where did I go wrong? |
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| 03:56.19 | jbinder | http://paste.tonybox.net/152 http://paste.tonybox.net/153 |
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| 03:59.52 | rainabba_ | liable: Missed the "Extensions" section in xorg.conf :) |
| 03:59.55 | rainabba_ | Working now |
| 04:00.57 | liable | hrm, my roof is leaking |
| 04:01.26 | liable | i wish stupid ati would rease a driver that supported aiglx |
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| 04:05.04 | Mitja | ifdown eth0 produces "ifdown: interface eth0 not configured" Is there any other way to bring it down? |
| 04:06.20 | liable | ifconfig |
| 04:06.55 | liable | guess that worked then.. :) |
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| 04:07.02 | fungo | where is float.h? i can't find it :( |
| 04:07.12 | liable | fungo: /message dpkg search |
| 04:07.14 | fungo | yes, i had installed build-essential or something like this |
| 04:07.20 | liable | erm, /msg even |
| 04:07.46 | fungo | gcc-4.1: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.1.2/include/float.h |
| 04:08.14 | fungo | it should be in /usr/include :( maybe this isn't right |
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| 04:12.30 | Hillview_ | liable, sorry. had to go afk, but I can't even get the package lists with apt-get update from any of the multimedia.org repositories I've tried. |
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| 04:13.50 | liable | Hillview_: a common mistake with the marillat repo used to be saying 'unstable' instead of 'sid' i dunno ifit s still the same, but check the home page a copy/paste the url |
| 04:13.50 | mshelby | Can anyone tell me a direct and (easy?) way to get bootsplash working on Debian etch? |
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| 04:15.38 | Hillview_ | liable, I've got sid in place now, and it complains about a public key? |
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| 04:16.06 | liable | Hillview_: theres instructions for getting the key on the site (are you running sid?) |
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| 04:17.09 | Hillview_ | etch, actually, but I get the same result with etch, lenny, or sid. I'll look again for key tips, ty. |
| 04:17.33 | liable | dont use sid in your url if you are running etch, you will break your system |
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| 04:18.35 | Hillview_ | ok. is lenny "safe"? |
| 04:18.44 | liable | no, you need etch |
| 04:18.49 | Hillview_ | ok. |
| 04:19.22 | Hillview_ | planning to dist-upgrade soon, just not tonight. |
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| 04:21.34 | GenNMX | I added a new PCI SATA controller to my server, along with 3 more HDDs, which changed the /dev order. At first my non-boot LVM gave "missing UUID" errors, but I fixed that with pvcreate --uuid "the missing uuid" --restorefile /etc/lvm/archive/volumegroup_xxxx.vg /dev/sdd1, and then vgcfgbackup && vgcfgrestore, which allowed me to activate the volume group and logical volume. But now the partition on my LVM has disappeared -- even a dee |
| 04:22.10 | Guerin | yay lvbm |
| 04:22.13 | Guerin | lvm, too |
| 04:22.21 | Guerin | fucking peoples' shit up since 1996 |
| 04:22.37 | smacnay | Is there anything I need hard compiled in a kernel to load with lvm on the hard drive? |
| 04:22.48 | GenNMX | Guerin: I'm partly to blame -- took a bad google advice. |
| 04:24.10 | smacnay | liable: I thought etch was the same as lenny |
| 04:24.50 | liable | smacnay: you thought incorrectly |
| 04:25.16 | smacnay | liable: yikes |
| 04:25.31 | Guerin | smacnay: why would debian give two names to the same thing? |
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| 04:26.43 | smacnay | I don't know. A question I was asking myself. |
| 04:27.09 | iwkse | hi all, how i can set apt-get update in crontab without prompting for password? (if i use sudo) |
| 04:27.10 | smacnay | sorry - etch is the new stable and lenny is the new testing. I did know that. |
| 04:27.17 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:27.33 | Guerin | iwkse: it's very unwise. You should use cron-apt. |
| 04:27.47 | iwkse | Guerin: oh didn't know of cron-apt.. |
| 04:28.17 | netdaemon | hmmm |
| 04:28.26 | netdaemon | i likes lenny |
| 04:28.37 | smacnay | does the non-us apt source need to say "testing" rather than "lenny"? |
| 04:29.01 | Guerin | smacnay: non-us hasn't been around since about 2005 |
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| 04:29.32 | iwkse | Guerin: just another thing: can i downgrade with apt-get or it's only aptitude that does the job? |
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| 04:29.59 | Guerin | iwkse: no downgrade, with either. |
| 04:30.04 | smacnay | Guerin: ah, that is what I get for reading the Debian web site manual on setting up apt. |
| 04:30.06 | fungo | i'm very disappointed, how could float.h doesn't exist :/ |
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| 04:30.24 | iwkse | Guerin: sure? i think i downgraded with aptitude |
| 04:30.25 | Guerin | iwkse: you might get away with the odd package, but nothing much important |
| 04:30.30 | fungo | it's ansi, it's old as hell |
| 04:30.32 | Guerin | iwkse: not without a great deal of trickery |
| 04:30.38 | iwkse | Guerin: yeah |
| 04:30.40 | Guerin | fungo: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:30.50 | iwkse | Guerin: i just have some packages that wont configure cause of some errors |
| 04:30.56 | fungo | i already did this, and i already checked packages.debian.org for it |
| 04:30.57 | stew | fungo: aptitude install build-essential |
| 04:31.02 | Guerin | iwkse: that's probably because you tyried to downgrade |
| 04:31.27 | iwkse | Guerin: no..i upgraded but just some of them..so i have different versions |
| 04:31.38 | fungo | stew already did this |
| 04:31.39 | Guerin | yes. |
| 04:31.41 | iwkse | Guerin: cause the other aren't still avaible |
| 04:31.41 | Guerin | this is a problem. |
| 04:32.02 | iwkse | Guerin: it's texlive-base-bin in lenny |
| 04:32.15 | Guerin | oh, texlive was broken recently |
| 04:32.20 | iwkse | Guerin: yes |
| 04:32.29 | Guerin | i'm not sure if it's fixed yet; you may be able to use the sid packages (with care) |
| 04:32.30 | jbinder | http://paste.tonybox.net/152 http://paste.tonybox.net/153 |
| 04:32.40 | stew | fungo: well then "dpkg -S float.h" will tell you where it is installed. if you have build-essential installed, you have float.h, it should come with the compiler itself |
| 04:32.42 | liable | fungo: what are you trying to compile and whats the exact error? |
| 04:32.59 | fungo | i'm trying to compile my k&r exercises |
| 04:33.23 | liable | jbinder: instead of just showing two links, how about some explanation that might make someone interested enough to look at them? |
| 04:33.39 | fungo | liable the error is that float.h doesn't exist |
| 04:33.44 | liable | fungo: apt-file search float.h there is a shitload of them |
| 04:33.59 | fungo | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 04:34.05 | Guerin | !installit |
| 04:34.05 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 04:34.09 | stew | fungo: "dpkg -S float.h" |
| 04:34.18 | Guerin | fungo: show some fucking adaptability |
| 04:34.27 | stew | Guerin: easy |
| 04:34.28 | liable | stew: but gcc is alreaady saying it doesnt exist.. |
| 04:34.33 | Guerin | stew: ;) |
| 04:34.43 | jbinder | liable: I explained it twice already... no one responded. |
| 04:35.04 | liable | jbinder: i must have missed it. explain again |
| 04:35.15 | jbinder | I can't install gtk-chtheme. |
| 04:35.18 | fungo | Guerin what do you mean? |
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| 04:36.03 | jbinder | liable: I can't install gtk-chtheme. Apt-cache search doesn't even find it... and those links show what happens when I try to install it using apt-get or aptitiude... My friend has the same repositories and the same operating system and distro, and he is able to do it. |
| 04:36.30 | jbinder | Look at the output in those two links. |
| 04:36.35 | jbinder | http://paste.tonybox.net/152 http://paste.tonybox.net/153 |
| 04:36.50 | stew | jbinder: show us the output of " apt-cache policy "; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 04:37.24 | lymeca | I think my sid box has been running apt-get update automatically just recently. Whenever I open Synaptic now there is a list of packages that I can upgrade that's larger than it used to be since I last checked, and I NEVER see packages that are NEW to the repositories anymore. |
| 04:37.39 | liable | jbinder: i have it in my repo, what version of debian? |
| 04:37.39 | lymeca | Is there a way to check if apt-get update is running behind my back and to DISABLE that from happening? |
| 04:37.44 | jbinder | http://paste.tonybox.net/155 |
| 04:37.47 | jbinder | liable: Etch. |
| 04:37.50 | lymeca | I love seeing which packages that are new which enter sid |
| 04:37.54 | lymeca | And this way I can't. |
| 04:37.57 | jbinder | stew: ^^ Look at that paste. |
| 04:38.02 | liable | !find gtk-chtheme etch |
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| 04:38.27 | stew | jbinder: you are running etch and gtk-chtheme is not in etch |
| 04:38.34 | liable | dpkg: hurry up |
| 04:38.34 | dpkg | no fsck you! |
| 04:38.47 | jbinder | stew: So how come aptitude goes through all of that? |
| 04:38.48 | grendal_prime | ok somone has to have done this...created there own installer for debian based distro? |
| 04:38.53 | stew | jbinder: through what? |
| 04:38.54 | jbinder | stew: Aptitude asks to uninstall vital packages. |
| 04:38.59 | sussudio | %do liable |
| 04:39.15 | netdaemon | eh |
| 04:39.19 | hark | liable: only in testing and sid |
| 04:39.19 | jbinder | stew: http://paste.tonybox.net/152 |
| 04:39.29 | stew | jbinder: you have testing repositories but are supposedly running stable, you should not try to mix packages from stable and testing |
| 04:39.32 | liable | jbinder: dont mix apt-get and aptitude. pick one and stick to it |
| 04:39.38 | netdaemon | gtk2-theme-change? |
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| 04:39.50 | jbinder | liable: Ok... I've been using apt-get all of this install/ |
| 04:39.54 | sussudio | %find gtk-chtheme etch |
| 04:39.56 | grendal_prime | systeminstaller? |
| 04:40.04 | jbinder | stew: So... how do I fix it? |
| 04:40.05 | liable | i might have to get married to badgers, it seems to be doing me on a regular basis |
| 04:40.05 | jbinder | Lol. |
| 04:40.12 | stew | jbinder: what does "dpkg -s libc6 | grep Version" report? |
| 04:40.26 | jbinder | Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 04:40.44 | jbinder | My sources.list file says etch all over it. |
| 04:40.49 | jbinder | So I think I have etch. |
| 04:41.15 | stew | jbinder: oh, its removing those becuase they are marked as being automatically installed and no manually installed packages depend on them any longer |
| 04:41.21 | badgers | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gtk-chtheme' returned no results. |
| 04:41.27 | stew | jbinder: you can mark them as being manually installed with 'unmarkauto' |
| 04:41.53 | jbinder | stew: How do I use unmarkauto? |
| 04:42.17 | stew | jbinder: aptitude unmarkauto packagename |
| 04:42.21 | jbinder | Lol.. I need gdm, evince, eog. |
| 04:42.28 | jbinder | stew: Can I paste all of those packages there? |
| 04:42.32 | stew | jbinder: yes |
| 04:43.12 | stew | jbinder: or you can launch the aptitude frontend and hit 'm' on those packages |
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| 04:44.21 | lymeca | liable: Why do you recommend not mixing apt-get and aptitude? They both handle dependencies in the same way, do they not? |
| 04:44.50 | liable | lymeca: because you end up with the problem that jbinder is having |
| 04:45.22 | jbinder | Mhmm. |
| 04:45.24 | jbinder | Don't do it. |
| 04:45.25 | jbinder | Lol. |
| 04:45.29 | jbinder | It's torture. :\ |
| 04:45.31 | dragonfly | can anyone help me receive mail with courier? This is the error in my log (with some information masked for security): |
| 04:45.32 | dragonfly | Server courieresmtpd: error,relay=::ffff:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx,from=<xxxx@xxxx.com>,to=<yyyy@yyyy.com>: 513 Relaying denied. |
| 04:45.32 | stew | it will matter less with apt 0.7 |
| 04:45.42 | netdaemon | eh |
| 04:45.45 | netdaemon | aptitude =D |
| 04:45.55 | liable | jbinder: my solution to your problem is to just purge and reinstall aptitude |
| 04:46.08 | jbinder | liable: How do I do that? |
| 04:46.15 | liable | with apt-get... |
| 04:46.24 | jbinder | Just remove and then install? |
| 04:46.27 | stew | dragonfly: lots of people can receive mail with courier. what makes you think that this mail should be relayed? is yyyy.com a domain this box should accept mail for? |
| 04:46.32 | liable | *purge* |
| 04:46.38 | stew | liable: what? |
| 04:46.43 | dragonfly | yes...this box IS yyyy.com |
| 04:46.56 | jbinder | jared@JaredBox-Server:~$ sudo apt-get purge |
| 04:46.56 | jbinder | E: Invalid operation purge |
| 04:46.59 | liable | stew: not directed at you |
| 04:47.07 | jbinder | liable: Does purge exist? |
| 04:47.07 | stew | liable: why would he purge aptitude? |
| 04:47.15 | liable | jbinder: dude, go read the man page |
| 04:47.31 | liable | stew: its a shitload easier than unmarking all the packages |
| 04:47.37 | stew | dragonfly: does yyyy.com exist in /etc/courier/hosteddomains? |
| 04:48.01 | lymeca | I want to rm -rf everything in my pwd except for directory 'foo' |
| 04:48.06 | dragonfly | ummm, /etc/courier/hosteddomains does not exist |
| 04:48.07 | stew | i dunno, he could hold down 'm' |
| 04:48.15 | jbinder | I tried that. |
| 04:48.20 | lymeca | Can I do that without first moving 'foo' somewhere else, executing rm -rf, then moving it bacK/ |
| 04:48.37 | jbinder | liable: sudo apt-get remove --purge aptitude |
| 04:48.40 | jbinder | liable: Is that right? |
| 04:48.43 | jbinder | It doesn't err. |
| 04:48.48 | liable | yes |
| 04:48.51 | jbinder | Ok. |
| 04:49.00 | jbinder | The following packages will be REMOVED: aptitude* tasksel* tasksel-data* |
| 04:49.08 | jbinder | Is it okay if it gets rid of those other two things? |
| 04:49.17 | liable | you dont need tasksel |
| 04:49.26 | liable | but you can reinstall it if you like |
| 04:49.41 | jbinder | I never use it. |
| 04:49.45 | hark | jbinder: just copy the packages when it tells you it wants to remove them |
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| 04:50.04 | stew | dragonfly: that would explain it then, create /etc/courier/hosteddomains ; add a line "yyyy.com" then run "makehosteddomains" there is probably a "makehosteddomains" manpage, and maybe even a 'hosteddomains' manpage (its been a while since i've run courier) |
| 04:50.10 | hark | jbinder: then aptitude install or unmarkauto them |
| 04:50.29 | stew | or just run aptitude, hit g, then hit m on all the packages it wants to remove |
| 04:51.33 | dragonfly | stew: I googled quick, found out what I needed to do, and did that....then I tried sending myself and email from my xxxx@xxxx.com address and got the same result |
| 04:51.34 | jbinder | Ok... now it doesn't ask to remove all of that. |
| 04:51.49 | jbinder | No candidate version found for gtk-chtheme |
| 04:51.51 | jbinder | What does that mean? |
| 04:52.15 | stew | dragonfly: did you run makehosteddomains? |
| 04:52.22 | dragonfly | yes |
| 04:52.30 | stew | dragonfly: you need to, and you might need to restart courier if you did |
| 04:53.10 | stew | jbinder: it means that there is not a package named gtk-chtheme available in any of the repositories you are pointing to |
| 04:53.12 | hark | jbinder: it's not in etch |
| 04:53.22 | jbinder | Oh. |
| 04:53.33 | jbinder | Meh. |
| 04:53.42 | jbinder | Which is etch, testing or unstable? |
| 04:53.45 | stew | jbinder: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 04:53.48 | stew | jbinder: stable |
| 04:53.54 | jbinder | Oh. |
| 04:54.04 | jbinder | Is it a pain to upgrade to testing or unstable? |
| 04:54.16 | stew | jbinder: why do you want to? |
| 04:54.26 | jbinder | Because I like having unstable. |
| 04:54.26 | jbinder | Lol. |
| 04:54.36 | jbinder | I used to have unstable... but then everything changed. |
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| 04:55.12 | liable | that sounds like a recipe for disaster :) |
| 04:55.19 | jbinder | Why? |
| 04:55.22 | jbinder | Don't people upgrade? |
| 04:55.41 | jbinder | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.44 | jbinder | From the topic. |
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| 04:56.21 | stew | jbinder: becuase you didn't know how to find out that gtk-chtheme wasn't in your distribution, you didn't know if you were running stable or testing or unstable, and you were mixing testing and stable. this all puts you out of the category of people that unstable is intended for |
| 04:56.27 | liable | jbinder: not having a go at you, but your knowledge of debian isnt so comprehensive, thus running sid is likely to end in tears :) |
| 04:56.54 | jbinder | Lol. |
| 04:57.24 | jbinder | I used to use ubuntu but then my friend was like "switch to debian!" |
| 04:57.31 | jbinder | So now my server is debian.\ |
| 04:57.37 | lymeca | liable: Any idea how I can find out if 'apt-get update' is being run automatically behind my back on my sid box? I really love seeing which packages are new in the repos but now everytime I load Synaptic everything is already updated which is odd because it's never worked like that before. |
| 04:57.56 | jbinder | stew: My friend is much noobier than I am, but he has lenny. |
| 04:58.10 | liable | lymeca: does synaptic not run update when its started? |
| 04:58.13 | lymeca | jbinder: It's especially not a good idea to run unstable on a server. |
| 04:58.20 | jbinder | Ok. |
| 04:58.29 | lymeca | liable: It didn't used to, and it doesn't seem to do so now either. |
| 04:58.41 | liable | jbinder: and you get to laugh when his lenny install breaks ;) |
| 04:58.43 | feathers | There isn't really any reason I can think of to run anything but stable for a server |
| 04:58.48 | lymeca | It just starts updated as if the package lists have been updting in the background when I'm not even running. |
| 04:58.48 | jbinder | liable: Lol. |
| 04:59.04 | jbinder | I made everything look cooler now. |
| 04:59.15 | jbinder | I compiled gtk-chtheme and made fluxbox clearlooks. :) |
| 04:59.19 | jbinder | And installed a cool fluxbox theme/. |
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| 04:59.45 | jbinder | I killed 6 mosquitos today. |
| 04:59.45 | jbinder | Lol. |
| 04:59.54 | jbinder | I accidentally left my window in the basement opened for 2 weeks. |
| 04:59.57 | jbinder | By like 1-2" |
| 05:00.12 | jbinder | And SO MANY mosquitos came in.... I'm slowly killing them all now that I closed the window. |
| 05:00.18 | jbinder | Lol. |
| 05:00.21 | lymeca | liable: I start Synaptic now and hitting 'Reload' does nothing because it's automatically the latest package lists. Well it doesn't do NOTHING persay, it checks my repos package lists and finds there's no change and it doesn't download anything. |
| 05:00.28 | lymeca | jbinder: That has a lot to do with Debian. |
| 05:00.33 | jbinder | lymeca: :\ |
| 05:00.44 | jbinder | Bbl. |
| 05:01.10 | lymeca | I NEVER see packages NEW to the repositories anymore when I load Synaptic. |
| 05:01.41 | feathers | lymeca: but they are in deed newer versions than the last time you checked? |
| 05:01.42 | stew | lymeca: that's a good thing, since you are running stable |
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| 05:02.23 | dts | what's the performance loss on a sollution like the one mentined here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=82429&sid=078cfceda4f6957962e91bed8001483f |
| 05:02.23 | lymeca | Before this started happening when I loaded Synaptic it had the same status as it did when I last closed it in terms of which packages were new to the repos and which I can upgrade. When I hit Reload it showed MORE upgradable packages and in addition all the NEW packages to the sid repo since I last reloaded. |
| 05:02.29 | lymeca | stew: I'm running sid |
| 05:03.01 | feathers | Is there any way to load just certain packages from the testing or unstable respositories? |
| 05:03.19 | stew | feathers: you are running stable? |
| 05:03.21 | lymeca | But now I start up Synaptic and it's just as if I ran apt-get update before I did so. The package lists seem to be automatically updated behind my bacl. |
| 05:03.38 | lymeca | This way I NEVER see packages new to the sid repos |
| 05:03.53 | lymeca | I *only* want apt-get to update the package lists when I tell it to. |
| 05:04.00 | stew | lymeca: did you check the crontabs? do you have cron-apt isntalled? |
| 05:04.01 | feathers | stew: I will be shortly. However, the stable repositories don't contain the Scribes editor that I love so dearly (though I suppose I could learn emacs or vi better) |
| 05:04.24 | lymeca | stew: cron-apt is not installed |
| 05:04.30 | stew | feathers: you should not install testing or unstable packages onto stable, use backports instead: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 05:04.37 | stew | lymeca: did you check the crontabs? |
| 05:04.43 | lymeca | stew: There are no crontabs for root |
| 05:04.46 | feathers | stew: will read through the information. Thanks! :) |
| 05:04.46 | dragonfly | stew: from looking at the man page, it looks like i want yyyy.com in /etc/courier/locales rather than hosteddomains so I put it in there and restarted courier but to no avail |
| 05:04.59 | lymeca | # crontab -l |
| 05:04.59 | lymeca | no crontab for root |
| 05:05.29 | rainabba_ | OSX has a menubar at the bottom which zooms when you mouse-over. I've been told there's a similar app for X. Anyone know the name? |
| 05:05.30 | stew | lymeca: what about /etc/crontabk /etc/cron.daily, /etc/cron.hourly? |
| 05:06.25 | stew | dragonfly: then courier has changed since i last used it, maybe try #courier |
| 05:06.48 | dragonfly | yeah, I'm in there, but nobody else seems to be |
| 05:06.59 | lymeca | stew: Hmm, I have an /etc/cron.daily/apt and /etc/cron.daily/aptitude |
| 05:07.04 | dts | noone's got an idea on how much slower a virtual partition will be? |
| 05:07.07 | lymeca | I didn't create those though... |
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| 05:08.05 | stew | dts: what is a virtual partition? |
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| 05:08.13 | grendal_prime | so how would i go about making a virtual package |
| 05:08.32 | stew | grendal_prime: create a real package that Provides: it |
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| 05:09.01 | lymeca | stew: Do you think it's safe to delete these cron.daily apt and aptitude shell scripts? |
| 05:09.03 | stew | grendal_prime: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 05:09.09 | stew | lymeca: certainly not |
| 05:09.17 | stew | lymeca: why would you want to delete them? |
| 05:09.20 | dts | stew: if i created a file in a filesystem and accessed it as a block |
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| 05:09.33 | lymeca | I don't want apt to do anything automatically... I only want to update when I tell it to like before. |
| 05:09.51 | grendal_prime | well in a nutshel...i have a system that i would like to be able to duplicate quickly..via the installer method |
| 05:10.06 | stew | lymeca: what are those files doing that you don't want them to do? |
| 05:10.13 | dts | stew: eg. i did dd (blabla) somefile && mkfs.reiserfs somefile && mount somefile |
| 05:10.19 | grendal_prime | i thought there was something i could use to sort of snapshot a system and then recreate it via the debian installer. |
| 05:10.21 | GenNMX | Does anyone use LVM? |
| 05:10.51 | lymeca | stew: Judging by the behavior of apt in the last few days, updating my package lists automatically without me telling it to. |
| 05:10.53 | stew | GenNMX: lots of people do |
| 05:11.16 | GenNMX | stew: Well, specifically I need someone who knows what they're doing with it (unlike me). |
| 05:11.42 | stew | lymeca: that is not what those scripts do |
| 05:11.48 | feathers | lymeca: read through the files and confirm that they actually are updating automatically before acting irrationally. |
| 05:11.49 | stew | GenNMX: just ask your question |
| 05:12.15 | stew | grendal_prime: oh, you mean a metapackage, not a virtual package |
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| 05:12.39 | stew | grendal_prime: you can easily create a task for tasksel with a list of packages |
| 05:13.13 | jriachi | hello |
| 05:13.20 | slack101 | my 2nd kernel compile didnt work |
| 05:13.23 | slack101 | GREAT |
| 05:13.31 | lymeca | stew, feathers: I'm not too good at reading shell scripts, but I do see the line "UpdateInterval=0" which leads me to believe automatically updating pakcage lists is turned off. Can I pastebin the script? |
| 05:13.36 | Guerin | !wayc slack101 |
| 05:13.36 | dpkg | slack101: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
| 05:13.44 | slack101 | is thier anyway maybe i can jus tar my system and boot it through a virtulal machine |
| 05:13.56 | stew | lymeca: you don't have to, we all have it, its on every debian system |
| 05:14.01 | Guerin | slack101: there's a hard way to do anything |
| 05:14.05 | grendal_prime | stew i cant find any info on this...it seems im just not sure what to call it all |
| 05:14.12 | slack101 | i should try locally form now on i think |
| 05:14.21 | slack101 | well in a virtual server |
| 05:14.33 | slack101 | whats a good one for linux ? |
| 05:14.37 | grendal_prime | but basically ive built a system that is going to be used in an appliance, and we need to make alot of these things ina short period of time |
| 05:14.50 | lymeca | stew: Okay well maybe there's something different about mine that enables auto updating of package lists. This is a recent behavior that I'm experiencing, one that I'd markedly love to be disabled. |
| 05:14.54 | stew | grendal_prime: you might look at fai then: /msg dpkg fai |
| 05:15.04 | jriachi | i am at lenny, but i want some program (A) to be from etch instead of from lenny (mu current setup)... but programs B,C,D,... depend on "A/lenny"... can i downgrade B,C,D to their etch versions, so I can get A from etch.? |
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| 05:15.45 | jriachi | (yes, English is not my native language :) ) |
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| 05:16.10 | stew | jriachi: downgrading isn't supported. it might work, it might not |
| 05:16.30 | Guerin | jriachi: you should try forward-porting the packages |
| 05:16.40 | feathers | lymeca: my guess is that nothing strange is really going on. But pastebin your file and I'll take a look. |
| 05:16.46 | Guerin | jriachi: /msg dpkg simple sid backport, but change the distro names to suit |
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| 05:17.32 | feathers | Crap, too much stuff running messed up my burn :/ |
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| 05:17.36 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.37 | feathers | Back in a few fellas |
| 05:18.12 | lymeca | feathers, stew: this is /etc/cron.daily/apt : http://pastebin.ca/598235 and this is /etc/cron.daily/aptitude : http://pastebin.ca/598237 |
| 05:18.48 | lymeca | I don't know where else an automated apt-get update would be configured especially considering there doesn't appear to be any apt-related files in /etc/cron*/ |
| 05:18.55 | lymeca | any OTHER apt related files that is |
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| 05:19.33 | jriachi | Guerin: if B/lenny deppends on A/lenny, and I remove A/leeny to forward-port A/etch... wouldn't B be removed (rightly) due to missing dependencies... I'd like something like apt-get install A/etch: 2 packages downgraded: A, B |
| 05:19.40 | jriachi | ? |
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| 05:20.22 | Guerin | jriachi: downgrade doesn't work, as stew told you. You should remove ALL the etch packages and rebuild for lenny, or better yet, use the versions in lenny. |
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| 05:20.44 | stew | i didn't say that. downgrading works, often, but sometimes doesn't. its not supported regardless |
| 05:20.46 | Guerin | jriachi: if you really truly need stuff in etch, you should be running etch, not lenny. |
| 05:20.55 | Guerin | ok, fair |
| 05:21.44 | jriachi | Guerin: it is just a program which etch version was great, and lenny not-so-great. I can live with it :) |
| 05:21.44 | stew | jriachi: its not so clear cut with your examples of "A" and "B". it would be much more clear if you told us what you are actually trying to do with the acutal package names |
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| 05:23.17 | Nopalin | hello, i have compiled a kernel from kernel.org, i built a deb file and i installed it, but when i boot from the new kernel it tells me this errors file or directory not found: modules.deb, any ideas? |
| 05:23.38 | Nopalin | modules.dep * |
| 05:23.49 | Nopalin | what i am doing wrong? |
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| 05:25.23 | infinite | hay im trying to install debian on my amd box but i keep geting kernel panic? |
| 05:25.44 | Guerin | Nopalin: you probably needed to run depmod -a on the kernel |
| 05:26.05 | Guerin | Nopalin: but better yet, you should build your kernel using the kp mantra, which will do it all magically |
| 05:26.07 | Nopalin | Guerin: let me see |
| 05:26.10 | Guerin | Nopalin: ask dpkg about it |
| 05:26.33 | lymeca | feathers: Anything in there that suggests apt-get is updating automatically? |
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| 05:27.00 | feathers | lymeca: don't know. I never received a link. I quit IRC for a couple minutes. |
| 05:27.15 | infinite | should i be using the i386 install cd on a amd system |
| 05:27.21 | lymeca | [22:13:42] <lymeca> feathers, stew: this is /etc/cron.daily/apt : http://pastebin.ca/598235 and this is /etc/cron.daily/aptitude : http://pastebin.ca/598237 |
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| 05:27.32 | Guerin | infinite: yes. |
| 05:27.32 | lymeca | <lymeca> I don't know where else an automated apt-get update would be configured especially considering there doesn't appear to be any other apt-related files in /etc/cron*/ |
| 05:27.47 | infinite | it says kernal panic cant sync? |
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| 05:29.39 | feathers | lymeca: autoupdate is disabled in your scripts |
| 05:29.53 | lymeca | That's what I though =/ |
| 05:30.04 | lymeca | Where else could APT be configured to automatically update package lists? |
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| 05:30.28 | feathers | I don't think it is configured to update packages. |
| 05:30.43 | feathers | Stable packages shouldn't be updating very often |
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| 05:31.10 | samesame | stable packages only get updated with security / bug fixes |
| 05:31.14 | Infinite-ghost | dam it |
| 05:31.18 | Infinite-ghost | now im geting "input: at translated set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0" |
| 05:31.23 | Infinite-ghost | its just haulting there |
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| 05:32.28 | lymeca | feathers: I run sid and for weeks the only time my package lists updated with apt is when I ran apt-get udpdate or hit "Reload" in Synaptic. Now it happens automatically and I never get to see packages new to the sid repos. |
| 05:32.34 | sid | How can I message dpkg and tell if a package is in etch..and what section, ie, main non-free contrib etc |
| 05:32.47 | lymeca | Whenever I load Synaptic it's already updated |
| 05:32.54 | stew | sid: /msg dpkg info packagename etch |
| 05:33.00 | feathers | lymeca: ah, I thought someone mentioned you running stable |
| 05:33.10 | lymeca | no I have unstable |
| 05:33.31 | samesame | lymeca: why are u using unstable, are u a developer |
| 05:33.33 | feathers | lymeca: you should also make sure that the package versions are indeed changing. |
| 05:33.42 | Infinite-ghost | anyone have any ideas why its hanging at that message? |
| 05:34.01 | stew | lymeca: check /etc/apt/apt.conf and /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
| 05:34.07 | lymeca | samesame: I am not a DD, but I don't have to be to want to help out Debian and file bug reports and e-mail package maintainers, etc. |
| 05:34.37 | samesame | lymeca: it might be more useful for you to file reports from testing rather than sid? |
| 05:34.52 | valdyn | samesame: both is useful |
| 05:34.57 | lymeca | stew: I don't have a /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 05:35.09 | samesame | ok |
| 05:35.17 | lymeca | APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; |
| 05:35.29 | lymeca | I have that line in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic |
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| 05:36.13 | stew | lymeca: there you go |
| 05:36.19 | Infinite-ghost | my system is hanging at "input: at translated set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0" when i try to install anyideas? |
| 05:36.24 | lymeca | I guess I'll change that to 0 ;-] |
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| 05:36.36 | samesame | does apt-get update grab a .txt file from the servers listed in sources.lst what contains a list of all available packages? |
| 05:36.38 | lymeca | What does Periodic mean? That's not very specific... |
| 05:37.08 | valdyn | lymeca: you installed update manager or are using ubuntu? |
| 05:37.10 | stew | lymeca: that your package lists will be periodically updated. |
| 05:37.11 | lymeca | samesame: Not a .txt file, but .gz files IIRC but the idea is the same yes |
| 05:37.16 | samesame | ok |
| 05:37.26 | feathers | Period is in a given interval |
| 05:37.33 | lymeca | valdyn: I'mDEFINATELY not using Ubuntu |
| 05:37.36 | feathers | As in a sinasoidal wave |
| 05:37.44 | samesame | lymeca: is there a way to download that .gz yourself without using apt-get update? |
| 05:38.03 | rainabba_ | OSX has a menubar at the bottom which zooms when you mouse-over. I've been told there's a similar app for X. Anyone know the name? |
| 05:38.12 | Infinite-ghost | ok its giving me "/init: /init :5 : debuginell: not found kernel panic - not syncing attepmted to kill init!" any ideas? |
| 05:38.17 | valdyn | lymeca: so you probably installed update-manager |
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| 05:38.29 | feathers | rainabba_: google docks and linux |
| 05:38.35 | rainabba_ | ty |
| 05:38.35 | lymeca | samesame: Sure, seeing as most package repostories are HTTP or FTP and therefor you can browse them using any modern web browser and choose which files you want to download individually. |
| 05:39.03 | ma3x | isn't there a search option on backports.org? |
| 05:39.07 | bonez39 | my /etc/hosts file got hosed...how do I rebuild it? what should it contain? |
| 05:39.13 | samesame | lymeca: i just wanted to see what the actual .gz file looks like, how its generated |
| 05:39.29 | lymeca | valdyn: Yes update-manager is indeed installed. I didn't select this though... hmm I guess I'll just remove it |
| 05:39.39 | valdyn | lymeca: probably purge |
| 05:39.49 | lymeca | valdyn: and update-notifier too! |
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| 05:39.59 | lymeca | I'll purge both, I don't know how they got installed |
| 05:40.03 | valdyn | lymeca: and 'dpkg -S /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic' to verify where its from |
| 05:40.10 | niru | how to compress the cd image using the OCNF.sh file of debian-cd |
| 05:40.35 | valdyn | lymeca: you could just use that update-notifier - or purge those packages, right |
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| 05:40.39 | stew | samesame: you can see yours in /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages ; there are several tools to create them. the ones on the official mirror are created with 'dak' but there are much simpler tools out there |
| 05:40.45 | lymeca | valdyn: update-manager is the culprate! |
| 05:40.50 | krazykit | bonez39: usually 127.0.0.1 localhost and whatever else you put in yourself |
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| 05:40.55 | Infinite-ghost | im getting the error "/init: /init :5 : debuginell: not found kernel panic - not syncing attepmted to kill init!" when i try to install any ideas? |
| 05:41.31 | krazykit | what package is "any ideas"? |
| 05:41.35 | lymeca | stew: Thank you for figuring out to look in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 05:41.39 | valdyn | Infinite-ghost: that error message seems to be incorrectly copied |
| 05:41.52 | ma3x | to what package does belong the properties (settings) of the sysguard applet? |
| 05:41.59 | samesame | stew: where abouts is that dak generated file on: ftp.debian.org ? |
| 05:42.07 | Infinite-ghost | i copyed it off the screen... |
| 05:42.37 | Infinite-ghost | i thort it was wrong because i couldnt find it on the debian help site but its right |
| 05:42.52 | krazykit | Infinite-ghost: have you googled the exact error? |
| 05:43.06 | Infinite-ghost | not googled but used debians site search |
| 05:43.11 | krazykit | try google. |
| 05:43.16 | Infinite-ghost | ok |
| 05:43.35 | stew | samesame: there is one for each arch in each section in each release, go to http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/$arch/$section/binary-$arch |
| 05:43.53 | feathers | Well the installer just hung on installing my apps. Must be a sign its time for a smoke... |
| 05:43.53 | stew | err, the first $arch should be $release |
| 05:44.13 | valdyn | Infinite-ghost: 'Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable lo mount root fs on unknown-block(1,3)' is what it might really look like |
| 05:44.42 | Infinite-ghost | huh its not saying anything like that? |
| 05:44.55 | liable | you can get the 'attempted to kill init' error too |
| 05:45.14 | samesame | stew: i think i found the file, Contents-i386.gz |
| 05:45.14 | valdyn | sure, just not debuginell |
| 05:45.18 | Infinite-ghost | but sometimes it just hangs with no error to?? |
| 05:45.27 | liable | yeah, i havent seen that myself either |
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| 05:46.16 | valdyn | Infinite-ghost: is this on a completely fresh install, just after ejecting the cd? |
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| 05:46.46 | samesame | stew: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 05:46.46 | Infinite-ghost | nope new install loading the cd |
| 05:47.01 | liable | ah, booting the cd? |
| 05:47.02 | Infinite-ghost | put another hdd in now im geting "/bin/sh: 3: bad address" |
| 05:47.05 | Infinite-ghost | yes |
| 05:47.05 | valdyn | Infinite-ghost: oh, the cd is broken then |
| 05:47.13 | Infinite-ghost | argh |
| 05:47.42 | valdyn | Infinite-ghost: which cd exactly? |
| 05:47.56 | Infinite-ghost | debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 05:48.03 | stew | samesame: Contents-$arch.gz is the actual fines in the packages, Packages.gz is the package list |
| 05:48.12 | samesame | stew: ok |
| 05:48.14 | valdyn | Infinite-ghost: that's the good one at least ( just broken on your side ) |
| 05:48.27 | Infinite-ghost | dam it ok ill redownload it thanks |
| 05:48.47 | samesame | stew: so when i hit apt-get update it looks for those files |
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| 05:49.20 | valdyn | Infinite-ghost: verify the cd if you can, run 'cmp /dev/cdrom file.iso' |
| 05:49.34 | valdyn | Infinite-ghost: and md5sum the .iso |
| 05:49.37 | Infinite-ghost | i havent got a working machine onlu a window |
| 05:49.38 | samesame | stew: and saves the list in /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages |
| 05:49.39 | Infinite-ghost | s |
| 05:49.46 | stew | samesame: if you have already downloaded the Packages file in the past, it instead goes for the diffs in Packages.diff to make your packages file match the one on the server without having to download the entire thing agin |
| 05:49.50 | stew | again* |
| 05:50.08 | samesame | i see |
| 05:50.29 | samesame | to save bandwidth |
| 05:50.56 | stew | yes |
| 05:51.00 | Supaplex | does nfs break when server and client are on different subnets? |
| 05:51.15 | valdyn | Supaplex: nfs does not care |
| 05:51.34 | Supaplex | humm df is stalling, and it was just mounted. works on other stations on the same subnet |
| 05:51.39 | valdyn | Supaplex: masquerading however should break nfs, im not that familiar with it |
| 05:52.14 | valdyn | Supaplex: but since it useses the portmapper.. you dont want to do something like masq between client and server |
| 05:52.39 | Supaplex | there's no masq |
| 05:53.04 | valdyn | Supaplex: i'd avoid nfs like a plague |
| 05:53.11 | valdyn | Supaplex: if that is an option ;) |
| 05:53.18 | Supaplex | server is on a public ip, router has public and private ips, iptables only SNAT to public addresses not on my subnet, client is on priv |
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| 05:53.43 | valdyn | Supaplex: uh... |
| 05:53.56 | valdyn | Supaplex: must it be on a public ip? |
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| 05:54.13 | Supaplex | no |
| 05:54.28 | Supaplex | exports only offers access to machines I trust |
| 05:55.16 | valdyn | Supaplex: i dont know how exactly your thing is setup. If you access it via public ip, masq could be involved.. even if 'physically' unnecessary |
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| 05:55.47 | Guerin | trying to run nfs behind a firewall is the path to madness |
| 05:56.00 | Guerin | i advise tunnelling it through ssh if you must do so |
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| 05:56.12 | stew | openvpn! |
| 05:56.17 | Guerin | or that |
| 05:56.18 | Supaplex | http://rafb.net/p/UqbISK43.html |
| 05:56.32 | Guerin | much more elegant and useful, even if it is more work to set up |
| 05:56.46 | stew | (and not much work to setup) |
| 05:57.04 | stew | (*especially* if you are used to working with ssl certs) |
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| 05:57.32 | floppyears | hi I want to configure a mailserver but don't know which one: postfix, exim or sendmail |
| 05:57.35 | floppyears | any sugestions ? |
| 05:57.48 | Guerin | floppyears: exim is installed by deafult; unless you have a compelling reason, use it |
| 05:57.48 | Supaplex | floppyears: one you can learn |
| 05:57.53 | valdyn | Supaplex: nat is just as evil.. |
| 05:58.04 | valdyn | Supaplex: i cant see from those iptables rules if its happening |
| 05:58.54 | ma3x | when i have etch and backports lines in sources.list, and then i do apt-cache search packagename, which package version is displayed? from etch or backports? |
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| 05:58.56 | liable | floppyears: postfix to keep your sanity |
| 05:59.02 | floppyears | Guerin: then I don't think I have it configured |
| 05:59.04 | valdyn | ma3x: both |
| 05:59.11 | Supaplex | valdyn: I deleted line 9, and it still acts the same |
| 05:59.12 | Guerin | floppyears: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 05:59.24 | floppyears | liable: I have been suggested to use that one, but I don't know what advantages it has over exim |
| 05:59.31 | valdyn | ma3x: ops, no, 'apt-cache show' will show both, not search.. |
| 05:59.32 | floppyears | Guerin: why should I choose exim over postfix ? |
| 05:59.39 | floppyears | after all installing is just an apt-get away :) |
| 05:59.52 | Guerin | !why exim4 |
| 05:59.52 | dpkg | http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=31 |
| 06:00.07 | valdyn | floppyears: exim4 is probably more versatile and postfix easier to configure, your pick |
| 06:00.27 | floppyears | thanks guys |
| 06:00.36 | Guerin | floppyears: i personally use postfix as well, but i see no good reason to change away from exim if you're new to both. |
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| 06:01.29 | floppyears | wow, a link to a comment made from peterS , floppy remembers reading peterS 's comments years ago in this channel |
| 06:01.48 | Guerin | peterS remains |
| 06:03.27 | floppyears | haha, I love it !!! |
| 06:03.34 | floppyears | that's a nice quote from peterS :) |
| 06:03.58 | floppyears | so basically exim4 is not too bad, but postfix has matured now and is better than exim |
| 06:04.01 | floppyears | am I wrong ? |
| 06:04.10 | Guerin | there is debate over that matter |
| 06:04.35 | Supaplex | !start an mta war |
| 06:04.35 | Guerin | i wouldn't say one is objectively better than another, but many people have their own preferences |
| 06:04.35 | dpkg | qmail is hard to configure |
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| 06:05.02 | Supaplex | i've never tried exim seriously, but postfix was a steeper learning curve than I expected |
| 06:05.14 | ma3x | i thought the backports are from unstable. they are most testing |
| 06:05.28 | valdyn | ma3x: testing packages are from unstable |
| 06:05.38 | Guerin | yes, postfix is tricky until you can grok the concept of a jail |
| 06:05.43 | ma3x | valdyn, unstable has always the newer |
| 06:05.46 | valdyn | ma3x: iows: testing packages are former unstable packages |
| 06:06.36 | valdyn | ma3x: and unstable packages are broken or depend on something broken, or will be in testing in 10 days anyway |
| 06:07.04 | valdyn | ma3x: so obviously a 'good' backport will be in testing |
| 06:07.06 | floppyears | I think I'm going to go with postfix |
| 06:07.14 | floppyears | so far most people have recommended it |
| 06:07.22 | ma3x | valdyn, check kicker-applets for example 4:3.5.7-2 in unstable and 4:3.5.5-1 in testing |
| 06:07.48 | Guerin | floppyears: it is very well documented, and you will not receive very much sympathy if you ask eejit questions without first reading the documentation. |
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| 06:07.56 | Guerin | floppyears: FYI. |
| 06:08.00 | floppyears | thanks Guerin |
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| 06:08.10 | floppyears | right now, I'm looking for a tutorial/doc to follow |
| 06:08.15 | valdyn | floppyears: maybe you need to do something sophisticated, then you should google for a solutoin first, or you dont, then the choice is probably totally irrelevant |
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| 06:08.50 | SirSherlock | hi |
| 06:09.20 | SirSherlock | i have a low end sys now running ubuntu edgy, would a switch to debian stable free up some resources |
| 06:09.31 | valdyn | SirSherlock: no |
| 06:09.33 | SirSherlock | somehow all my Ram of 128 mb is all used |
| 06:09.41 | valdyn | SirSherlock: ubuntu can be trimmed aswell |
| 06:09.54 | floppyears | valdyn: I'm already in google :) |
| 06:10.25 | valdyn | floppyears: and for the simple cases google might be pointless.. its just 'dpkg-reconfigure somepackage' |
| 06:10.49 | floppyears | valdyn: yeah, I'm tempted to do that, but I figure I should look for some docs just to be on the safe side :) |
| 06:10.52 | Guerin | SirSherlock: 128 is not much if you're running gnome + firefox |
| 06:10.59 | floppyears | I just want something simple not too advanced or anything :) |
| 06:11.01 | Guerin | on any system\ |
| 06:11.08 | SirSherlock | just xorg, w/ fluxbox |
| 06:11.17 | SirSherlock | mostly not even that |
| 06:11.29 | valdyn | SirSherlock: your ram is supposed to be all used, no matter how much you have |
| 06:11.36 | valdyn | !free ram |
| 06:11.36 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 06:12.12 | SirSherlock | yea its says its all used up |
| 06:12.25 | SirSherlock | valdyn: why is that valdyn |
| 06:12.40 | SirSherlock | so i might still have ram freely avaliable for aps? |
| 06:12.51 | valdyn | SirSherlock: use the 'free' tool |
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| 06:12.59 | Supaplex | SirSherlock: you should. free ram is wasted ram. disks are tEh slow. |
| 06:13.18 | valdyn | SirSherlock: i doubt you have much free ram, but probably some |
| 06:13.35 | valdyn | SirSherlock: 128 mb should be fine for firefox + fluxbox |
| 06:13.54 | SirSherlock | yea it wrks good for that, thanks guys |
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| 06:14.22 | Supaplex | 32mb can work (with swap) within reason on a p133 with flwm and dillo |
| 06:14.24 | SirSherlock | its an on laptop, that i was gonna use for a small apache server - i fired up apache and it max out resouces |
| 06:14.38 | Supaplex | use less threads :P |
| 06:14.51 | SirSherlock | i used to use DSL on it, really great OS |
| 06:15.05 | SirSherlock | yea, im looking into tweaking it |
| 06:15.06 | Supaplex | before, or still? |
| 06:15.16 | SirSherlock | before on this old lappy |
| 06:15.26 | SirSherlock | still on some old hardware around the house thou |
| 06:15.46 | Supaplex | ahh. just be advised, /msg dpkg based on debian |
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| 06:17.41 | SirSherlock | gotcha |
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| 06:20.32 | ma3x | mv: cannot move `kicker/applets' to a subdirectory of itself, `/usr/share/apps/kicker/applets' |
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| 06:20.38 | ma3x | well how do i move it? |
| 06:20.52 | valdyn | !wayttd ma3x |
| 06:20.53 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ma3x? |
| 06:21.15 | ma3x | valdyn, overwrite directory |
| 06:21.26 | valdyn | !vagueness |
| 06:21.26 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
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| 06:21.58 | ma3x | ma3x@ma3x:~/usr/share/apps$ sudo mv kicker/* /usr/share/apps/kicker/ |
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| 06:22.25 | valdyn | ma3x: what the fuck would be the point of moving kicker to the place its already at? |
| 06:22.37 | ma3x | its in /home/ma3x now |
| 06:22.42 | valdyn | ma3x: and why are you using mv to mess with debian-owned files |
| 06:23.03 | ma3x | did you see the ~ |
| 06:23.14 | valdyn | nope |
| 06:23.19 | grendal_prime | stew: the fai thing looks good accept for the fact that i need to build the instalation and...i dont see how that works |
| 06:23.26 | grendal_prime | i guess i need more reading |
| 06:24.59 | valdyn | ma3x: the ~ doesnt change a thing, considering the error message cant be wrong |
| 06:25.04 | ma3x | valdyn, if you have dir1 and dir2 with same filenames in it, yet dir2 is newer, you'd want to overwrite dir1 with dir2 |
| 06:26.25 | valdyn | ma3x: why are you trying this at all? |
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| 06:27.10 | ma3x | valdyn, cause i unpackaged kicker-applets to /home/ma3x/usr and i want to copy the contents of that directory to /usr so that i can overwrite those files |
| 06:27.18 | Infinite-ghost | i just burnt a new copy of debian from a new downloaded file and it keeps hanging in the same pace... |
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| 06:27.37 | nvz | Infinite-ghost: and? |
| 06:27.38 | valdyn | ma3x: why why are you doing that? /usr/ contents are owned by debian |
| 06:27.55 | Infinite-ghost | it hangs at "input: at translated set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0" |
| 06:27.55 | ma3x | valdyn, well that doesn't mean you can't touch /usr |
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| 06:28.10 | nvz | obviously he doesn't care and wants to taint his system |
| 06:28.25 | valdyn | ma3x: right, you're free to fuck it up, doesnt mean its a good idea |
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| 06:28.39 | ma3x | well how do i overwrite the directory? |
| 06:28.50 | nvz | Infinite-ghost: when booting from the cd? |
| 06:28.58 | Infinite-ghost | yes |
| 06:29.09 | ivan` | why did cron and test -x /usr/sbin/tigercron send me a huge list of files that don't exist? |
| 06:29.24 | nvz | Infinite-ghost: can you provide a link with the iso you downloaded? |
| 06:29.37 | Infinite-ghost | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 06:29.41 | Guerin | ma3x: info coreutils cp |
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| 06:29.56 | valdyn | Infinite-ghost: use the additional options possible at the boot screen, like noapic |
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| 06:30.13 | Arafangion | How do I download a .wmv video stream? |
| 06:30.15 | ma3x | Guerin, cp would copy it. I want to remove the directory too |
| 06:30.19 | ma3x | it's what mv usually does |
| 06:30.31 | Mitja | What exactly do I have to put into /etc/network/interfaces in order to dhcp to work, for instance, eth0? |
| 06:30.41 | Infinite-ghost | ok ill try that |
| 06:30.45 | Guerin | ma3x: you can do that once the cp is finished. cp and mv act differently in this regard for important reasons |
| 06:30.47 | stew | Mitja: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 06:30.52 | ma3x | ok |
| 06:30.53 | nvz | Mitja: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 06:31.04 | Mitja | nvz: that's for dhcp client |
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| 06:31.13 | nvz | Mitja: you will probably duh |
| 06:31.16 | Mitja | nvz: I meant for the server |
| 06:31.22 | nvz | Mitja: then it doesn't matter |
| 06:31.29 | nvz | Mitja: interfaces has nothing to do with that |
| 06:31.51 | Mitja | dhcpd won't start if I don't put anything in |
| 06:32.12 | Infinite-ghost | i tryed "install noapic" and has done the same thing should. |
| 06:32.43 | nvz | Mitja: you're mistaken. /etc/network/interfaces is for configuring the interface, this has nothing at all to do with servers run on that interface |
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| 06:33.18 | klobster | does debian run dash as it's /bin/sh? |
| 06:33.26 | valdyn | klobster: not by default |
| 06:34.02 | Mitja | nvz: could you help me set up dhcp on firewire? |
| 06:34.06 | nvz | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Feb 3 06:51 /bin/sh -> bash |
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| 06:34.30 | nvz | Mitja: I don't have a clue about firewire much less how to network with it |
| 06:35.02 | nvz | Mitja: you could ask a question in here that is relevant to the problem you are having instead of one that does nothing but shows how little you understand. |
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| 06:35.42 | Gryfelhase | good morning |
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| 06:36.01 | stew | nvz: please try to be less antagonistic |
| 06:36.02 | Gryfelhase | I've removed hotplug and discover with apt-get remove --purge |
| 06:36.03 | Infinite-ghost | ok its giving me "kernel panic - not syncing attepmted to kill init!" any ideas? |
| 06:36.22 | Gryfelhase | but the scripts in /etc aren't moved away |
| 06:36.34 | netdaemon | heh, gaim isn't a metapackage to pidgin in lenny yet >_> |
| 06:36.37 | klobster | valdyn: thank you. |
| 06:36.44 | Gryfelhase | I'm a bit confused |
| 06:36.53 | Gryfelhase | (using sarge) |
| 06:37.04 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 06:37.04 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little WD-40, and 42 rabid kittens. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 06:37.13 | valdyn | Gryfelhase: dpkg -S /path/to/config/file |
| 06:37.14 | Guerin | Infinite-ghost: here's an idea: use a debian kernel image |
| 06:37.23 | stew | Mitja: tell us how far you have gotten with trying to setup dhcp |
| 06:37.30 | Infinite-ghost | what? |
| 06:37.31 | Guerin | kittens, herring and wd-40 |
| 06:37.40 | Guerin | a recipe for malarkey |
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| 06:38.17 | samesame | has anyone here got a debian operating system to boot over PXE |
| 06:38.21 | Mitja | stew: this is my dhcpd.conf: http://rafb.net/p/Rk9yfi44.html the error is |
| 06:38.21 | Mitja | No subnet declaration for eth0 (0.0.0.0). |
| 06:38.21 | Mitja | ** Ignoring requests on eth0. |
| 06:38.44 | nvz | I can try. two sense is all I got take it or leave it, I'm just a practical nuisance, best believe it. |
| 06:39.03 | Guerin | !anyone use a debian operating system over PXE? |
| 06:39.04 | dpkg | No, no one uses a debian operating system over PXE, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:39.06 | stew | Mitja: and eth0 is firewire? |
| 06:39.16 | stew | samesame: just assume that someone has, and ask your real question |
| 06:39.41 | samesame | oh yes i forgot about the chan rules |
| 06:39.53 | Mitja | stew good question, I know for sure it is on one machine |
| 06:39.58 | Mitja | how do I look on another |
| 06:40.00 | Mitja | ? |
| 06:40.16 | stew | Mitja: look in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 06:40.22 | samesame | im thinking about building a ultra quiet mythtv front end and i want the machines debian operating system to boot over the network |
| 06:40.50 | samesame | what PXE server sofware could i use for the job? |
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| 06:41.48 | stew | samesame: apt-cache show pxe |
| 06:42.08 | samesame | ok thanks |
| 06:42.17 | netdaemon | !multimedia |
| 06:42.17 | dpkg | from memory, multimedia is See debian-multimedia... |
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| 06:43.10 | Mitja | stew the addresses match, there are only two there, eth1 is ethernet controller, how do I know eth0 is really firewire? |
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| 06:43.49 | feathers | I'm surprised that debian doesn't activate the swapspace until after the first boot |
| 06:43.55 | ma3x | xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/ma3x/.serverauth.14935 |
| 06:43.57 | ma3x | what's that about? |
| 06:44.31 | stew | Mitja: what do you mean by "the addresses match" |
| 06:44.37 | Mitja | mac addresses |
| 06:44.48 | feathers | Anyhow, I'm isntalling uswsusp (userspace suspend) and it's telling me there is a problem installing because the swap isn't initialized. Should I go ahead an install anyhow since the swap will be initialized after the reboot? Or will this cause problems? |
| 06:44.49 | stew | Mitja: which mac addresses match? |
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| 06:45.03 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | is there a way to use wildcard on replace command? |
| 06:45.04 | stew | feathers: you mean that you are suprised that the installer doesn't activate swap? |
| 06:45.08 | Guerin | feathers: the doc should tell you |
| 06:45.22 | Mitja | stew: I mean HWaddr |
| 06:45.29 | stew | DimeNocBR_Filipe: sure, what exactly are you trying to do |
| 06:45.41 | stew | Mitja: which HWaddrs match? |
| 06:46.14 | Mitja | the one in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and ifconfig for eth1 |
| 06:46.25 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | stew suppose i have a file with this line "john: john likes coke" - then i want to replace john:WILDCARD for a new line |
| 06:46.36 | feathers | stew, Guerin: but regarding the suspend daemon, you guys think it's wise to go ahead and continue with it's install? |
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| 06:46.48 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | i was thinking about replace john:* 'new content' -- path_to_file |
| 06:46.50 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | but it doesnt work |
| 06:46.51 | unlink | how do you switch a CD and make it visible to a running qemu virtual machine? |
| 06:47.06 | ma3x | can anyone tell me |
| 06:47.18 | stew | DimeNocBR_Filipe: sed 's/john:.*//' |
| 06:47.33 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | ohhh ok thanks stew! |
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| 06:47.45 | stew | ma3x: that error message is very self explanitory. ask a more specific question |
| 06:47.48 | Guerin | ma3x: i can tell you to go jump in the lake |
| 06:48.07 | stew | Guerin: please keep it constructive |
| 06:48.15 | ma3x | stew well there is no such file, i can't launch x. what do i do |
| 06:48.21 | floppyears | hi |
| 06:48.31 | ma3x | Guerin catch me |
| 06:48.32 | floppyears | I'm trying to setup vim to have syntax enable as root |
| 06:48.54 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | Staz sorry but how would i execute this command to save the file? |
| 06:48.55 | Guerin | stew: i thinkg randomly mashing keys would be the most constructive response to ma3x, who seems thoroughly impervious to learning |
| 06:48.57 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | i can do sed 's/filipe:.*/newcontent/'<a>a |
| 06:48.57 | floppyears | is there some weird debian config thing preventing me ? |
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| 06:49.02 | unlink | floppyears: ask in #vim |
| 06:49.03 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | but it will empty file |
| 06:49.25 | stew | Guerin: no, it is not. and you know it is not. if he is annoying you, please just use ignore |
| 06:49.54 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | i mean stew |
| 06:50.10 | Guerin | i don't ignore eejits, I wait for them to ignore me |
| 06:50.13 | floppyears | unlink: I am |
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| 06:50.24 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 06:50.37 | stew | Guerin: i'm not going to tollerate you calling people names. keep it constructive in the future |
| 06:50.40 | floppyears | but the regular stuff is not working, so I just wanted to check that there was no debian security probhibiting me from running scripts in vi |
| 06:50.46 | floppyears | after all is not good to run vi as root :( |
| 06:51.09 | stew | DimeNocBR_Filipe: exactly what command did you type? |
| 06:51.17 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | sed 's/filipe:.*/newcontent/'<a>a |
| 06:51.18 | stew | ma3x: exactly what were you trying to do when you got that error? |
| 06:51.29 | ma3x | stew i was trying to 'startx' |
| 06:51.33 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | wondering the proper way to do it.. cause if you do this way, it will empty 'a' |
| 06:51.48 | Infinite-ghost | meh it was the other systems mboard |
| 06:51.58 | stew | DimeNocBR_Filipe: if you want to edit a file in place, use "sed -i 's/foo/bar/' filename" ("man sed" will tell you about -i) |
| 06:52.10 | DimeNocBR_Filipe | ops noted.. thanks! |
| 06:52.11 | samesame | the futures bright, the futures pxe |
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| 06:52.29 | stew | ma3x: what does "echo $XAUTHORITY" say? |
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| 06:53.28 | ma3x | stew nothing, empty line |
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| 06:54.28 | ma3x | stew i can startx with root but not with ma3x |
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| 06:54.43 | stew | ma3x: what happens if you run "xauth < /dev/null" ? |
| 06:56.01 | ma3x | stew it hangs (waits..) |
| 06:56.16 | ma3x | stew |
| 06:56.22 | ma3x | xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/ma3x/.Xauthority |
| 06:56.36 | stew | ma3x: does .Xauthority exist? |
| 06:56.50 | raqamy | what is the DocumentRoot for www-data? |
| 06:57.05 | ma3x | stew yes with 600 perm |
| 06:57.23 | ma3x | what should it be? |
| 06:57.30 | stew | ma3x: does "fuser /home/ma3x/.Xauthority" return anything? |
| 06:57.35 | stew | ma3x: it should be 600 |
| 06:57.43 | stew | raqamy: you mean apache? |
| 06:57.52 | raqamy | yes! |
| 06:57.53 | stew | raqamy: /var/www by default |
| 06:57.55 | ma3x | stew that returns nothing |
| 06:59.54 | Gryfelhase | who tells me, that snd_nm256 ist blacklisted, when using alsaconf? |
| 07:00.05 | Gryfelhase | I removed hotplug and discover and udev |
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| 07:00.27 | ma3x | Gryfelhase check /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 07:02.06 | Gryfelhase | there's no blacklist |
| 07:02.18 | Gryfelhase | at /etc/modprobe,d |
| 07:02.57 | Matic`Makovec | Dot, not comma |
| 07:03.01 | ma3x | Gryfelhase what version of debian? |
| 07:03.11 | Gryfelhase | but some alsa-related files, I'm watching |
| 07:03.16 | rainabba_ | Trying to customize X for my Logitech TrackMan and it wasn't working so I reverted changes to xorg.conf and restarted X, now my left click doesn't seem to respond. What's going on? |
| 07:03.16 | Gryfelhase | Sarge |
| 07:03.18 | stew | ma3x: you could try removing the file, it should get automatically regenerated the next time you startx. but i'm not sure why you are having trouble locking the file in the first place |
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| 07:03.56 | stew | note that all files in /etc/modprobe.d are treated equally, and a module can be blacklisted in any file in that directory |
| 07:04.09 | ma3x | stew i removed it, and now when i 'startx' it idles a bit and then xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/ma3x/.serverauth.15576 |
| 07:04.43 | Gryfelhase | thx, II'm lloking |
| 07:05.04 | ma3x | stew got it - /home/ma3x/ was owned by root.root |
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| 07:07.59 | Mitja | stew: I got farther: I can ping the machine, but not ssh to it: connection refused |
| 07:08.15 | Mitja | sshd is running btw |
| 07:09.32 | hark | !connection refused |
| 07:09.32 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 07:13.01 | ma3x | stew thanks for everything it works fine now |
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| 07:13.42 | foug | does anyone know of a how-to that will show me how i can connect to a wireless network with debian after using the netinstall so i download packages |
| 07:13.49 | samesame | dpkg: it could also mean there is a problem with your network connection(s) |
| 07:13.49 | dpkg | samesame: what are you talking about? |
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| 07:15.15 | stew | samesame: no, it cannot. if you are getting a connection refused, you are getting it from some other machine, which is either the destination, or some machine sitting in between you and the destination |
| 07:15.41 | stew | samesame: if it is a problem with your network connection you are going to get a "not reachable" not a "connection refused" |
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| 07:16.17 | samesame | i see |
| 07:17.00 | yangvnc | How do I configure keyboard for the console? not X |
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| 07:17.07 | bonez39 | stew, how are you with exim4 and inability to get incoming email? I lost incoming email recently, yesterday morning....after running apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:17.21 | cat | hey |
| 07:17.23 | cat | anyone here is friendly with crosshurd? |
| 07:17.45 | stew | bonez39: dunno |
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| 07:17.57 | cat | !kbsd |
| 07:17.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, kbsd is shorthand for debian's gnu userland under a FreeBSD kernel. See #gnu-kbsd |
| 07:18.02 | hark | foug: depends, what wireless chipset? |
| 07:18.05 | foug | anyone know? how i can set up a wireless connection through terminal only i suppose? |
| 07:18.05 | tarzeau | cat: what about crosshurd? |
| 07:18.18 | foug | hark: not sure, i'm connecting to a linksys router. It worked fine in windows |
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| 07:18.19 | cat | tarzeau: can you explain what is that tool for? |
| 07:18.26 | tarzeau | yangvnc: loadkeys us , ch or whatever for just now |
| 07:18.28 | cat | i want to passed from debian to k-bsd |
| 07:18.47 | tarzeau | cat: you need the install cd to install it, see #gnu-kbsd and its install homepage (manual) |
| 07:18.58 | cat | tarzeau: you cannot download the kernel by apt? |
| 07:19.15 | tarzeau | cat: yes, once you have gnu/kfreebsd running and installed, you can |
| 07:19.21 | tarzeau | cat: i've never installed it using crosshurd |
| 07:19.24 | cat | but from debian. |
| 07:19.46 | tarzeau | cat: yes i don't know if a crosshurd installation of kfreebsd is possible |
| 07:19.55 | cat | i just download it |
| 07:19.55 | hark | foug: what does "lspci |grep Network" say? |
| 07:19.56 | tarzeau | cat: i think the problem is the ufs filesystem creation |
| 07:20.01 | cat | oh it is? |
| 07:20.06 | cat | how can i create such a partition |
| 07:20.18 | foug | hark: let me turn on my lapotp real quick and see :) |
| 07:20.44 | tarzeau | cat: http://packages.debian.org/ufsutils |
| 07:20.49 | vorpal | cat, if you have to ask... |
| 07:20.54 | tarzeau | cat: there exist UFS1 and 2. |
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| 07:21.47 | tarzeau | cat: i was only able to create UFS1 with that tool, but you want UFS2 really |
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| 07:22.40 | foug | hark: command not found |
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| 07:24.06 | foug | hark: lspci |
| 07:24.30 | hark | foug: yeah. well, i guess you'll need to install pciutils for that. |
| 07:25.04 | foug | hark: apt-get install pciutils? |
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| 07:25.45 | hark | yes (or aptitude ;) ) |
| 07:26.17 | foug | hark: no installation candidate? |
| 07:27.02 | hark | edit your sources.list |
| 07:27.21 | foug | no idea how to do that from just terminal, i did the netinstall ;o |
| 07:27.26 | hark | is this etch? |
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| 07:30.07 | Mitja | How do I set up subnet for two machines of which one has internet connection and is connected to a cable modem on eth1, machines are using eth0 firewire connection? |
| 07:30.29 | Mitja | I can ping each other, but then network doesn't work on the host |
| 07:31.19 | foug | hark: i'm not connected to the internet atm |
| 07:31.23 | valdyn | Mitja: use a paste site and paste the outputs of route for both and ifconfig for both |
| 07:31.38 | valdyn | Mitja: and /etc/network/interfaces for both |
| 07:32.37 | hark | foug: moment |
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| 07:32.43 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 07:32.43 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 07:32.47 | valdyn | Mitja: and read ^^ |
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| 07:36.11 | hark | foug: can't you use ethernet for the time being? or any idea what your wireless card is? |
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| 07:38.04 | foug | hark: broadcom? |
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| 07:38.52 | Mitja | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/P31dz557.html |
| 07:39.47 | Mitja | valdyn: thanks |
| 07:40.02 | ma3x | is debian restoring ~/Desktop? |
| 07:40.05 | ma3x | in kde |
| 07:40.21 | Mitja | masquerading would be enough for just connection and file share right? no other network stuff |
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| 07:40.58 | valdyn | Mitja: you own that many public internet addresses? |
| 07:41.31 | valdyn | Mitja: rather looks like you're just using them wrongfully |
| 07:41.51 | Mitja | valdyn: tell me how to do it right then |
| 07:42.20 | valdyn | Mitja: which box is 'dialing' into internet? an extra dedicated router? |
| 07:42.21 | hark | foug: ah, Broadcom is usually a pain |
| 07:42.39 | Mitja | valdyn: no |
| 07:42.39 | foug | hark: i'm thinking i should have just got the full DVD instead of the netinst |
| 07:42.47 | Mitja | valdyn: cable modem |
| 07:43.02 | valdyn | Mitja: and you do have a fixed ip for that ( 82.149.25.116 ) ? |
| 07:43.11 | Mitja | yes |
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| 07:43.30 | valdyn | Mitja: eth0 is the interface going to internet? |
| 07:43.45 | Mitja | eth1 |
| 07:43.55 | Mitja | eth0 is firewire |
| 07:44.02 | valdyn | Mitja: ok, alright |
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| 07:44.45 | valdyn | Mitja: your eth1 should be address 82.149.25.116 \ netmask 0.0.0.0 \ gateway 82.149.25.1, you dont need extra broadcast or network |
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| 07:45.22 | Mitja | ok cool |
| 07:45.30 | valdyn | Mitja: none of your interfaces needs extra network / broadcast, just netmask is sufficient |
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| 07:45.53 | stew | valdyn: 0.0.0.0? |
| 07:46.38 | Mitja | valdyn: how about on the machine without the net? |
| 07:46.43 | lymeca | Is there a GUI frontend for NFS to make it very simple to deal with /etc/exports, mounting, navigation, etc.? |
| 07:46.45 | valdyn | Mitja: sorry, mask is 255.255.255.255 |
| 07:46.50 | Mitja | should I make some IP up? |
| 07:47.05 | lymeca | I don't have a problem with it but I'm having a difficult time telling newbies to GNU+Linux to "just use NFS" |
| 07:47.09 | stew | valdyn: can't have that gateway with that netmask without an additional route |
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| 07:48.04 | valdyn | stew: did you look at the paste? |
| 07:48.32 | stew | valdyn: no, are you telling him to put those values into /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 07:48.50 | valdyn | stew: its modifications for is interfaces file, he already has the gateway in there |
| 07:49.15 | valdyn | stew: but i actually dont know if this is a point to point connection, so uh |
| 07:49.21 | stew | valdyn: 82.149.25.1 is not reachable via the 82.149.25.116/32 network |
| 07:49.24 | Mitja | valdyn: which machine are those mods for? |
| 07:49.52 | stew | valdyn: the netmask is going to have to be at least as large as /25 and probably should be /24 |
| 07:49.59 | valdyn | Mitja: the mods i mentioned are for eth1 on host, the removal of network and broadcast applies to all |
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| 07:50.09 | valdyn | stew: and /32 for ptp |
| 07:50.27 | Mitja | point to point you mean direct cable connection? in that case yes |
| 07:50.51 | stew | valdyn: ok, then he's not putting "gateway 82.149.25.1" into /etc/network/interfaces, right? |
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| 07:51.26 | valdyn | stew: it should be redundant actually |
| 07:52.11 | stew | valdyn: becuase putting "address 82.149.25.116 ; netmask 255.255.255.255 ; gateway 82.149.25.1" is going to get "host not reachable" when "route add default gw 82.149.25.1" is run |
| 07:52.39 | stew | not that i'm actually following what is going on beyond that |
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| 07:53.02 | valdyn | Mitja: lets get back to internet later, you should have data from your isp about that too |
| 07:53.25 | Mitja | valdyn: i do |
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| 07:54.14 | valdyn | Mitja: your local net needs to use subnet reserved for private use, like 192.168.1.0, resulting in address 192.168.1.1 / netmask 255.255.255.0 for one and 192.168.1.2 / netmask 255.255.255.0 for the other |
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| 07:55.58 | valdyn | Mitja: then the client needs a 'gateway 192.168.1.x' ( whatever is the server ) |
| 07:56.00 | Mitja | thanks |
| 07:56.08 | Mitja | making more sense now |
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| 07:58.58 | tarzeau | today it's the middle of the year eh? |
| 07:59.04 | valdyn | Mitja: your hosts internet ( eth1 ) might be already fine. The network and broadcast entries are just redundant, they dont hurt |
| 07:59.04 | k-man | anyone know which package might contain xse (x send event)? |
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| 07:59.57 | wols | !tell k-man about search |
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| 08:01.54 | Mitja | valdyn: I'm getting better results here, but still can't ssh to host |
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| 08:02.26 | valdyn | Mitja: you can ping host? under which ip are you accessing host? |
| 08:02.49 | Mitja | 82.149.25.116 |
| 08:02.58 | valdyn | Mitja: use the local ip first |
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| 08:03.59 | valdyn | Mitja: if the local ip works, make sure you have a default route on the client, and read the output of cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward on the host |
| 08:04.09 | Mitja | the local returns nothing (192.168.1.1) from guest |
| 08:04.14 | Mitja | ping just waiting |
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| 08:04.54 | valdyn | Mitja: paste output of route for both and ifconfig for both |
| 08:04.58 | Mitja | route you mean gateway? |
| 08:05.19 | valdyn | Mitja: something like default valdyn.home 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 08:05.23 | Infinite-ghost | hi my sources.list is empty? only has my cdrom in it and i told it to add more but it hasnt |
| 08:05.30 | valdyn | Mitja: with your values.. |
| 08:05.48 | Infinite-ghost | anyone able to give me a link to a source list? i tryed typing some in but must have the layout wrong |
| 08:06.19 | wols | Infinite-ghost: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 08:06.45 | wols | how did you tell it to add more? |
| 08:07.01 | wols | Infinite-ghost: /msg dpkg apt-spy |
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| 08:08.01 | Infinite-ghost | nice thx |
| 08:08.11 | Mitja | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/M4gx6E80.html |
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| 08:09.24 | valdyn | Mitja: what's 'localnet' for you? |
| 08:09.37 | valdyn | Mitja: 'route -n' would tell |
| 08:10.55 | Mitja | http://rafb.net/p/6Fcs3y65.html |
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| 08:12.34 | valdyn | Mitja: did you install ipmasq btw? ( dont install it .. ) |
| 08:12.49 | Mitja | I did upon dpkg's advie |
| 08:12.52 | Mitja | *advice |
| 08:12.58 | Mitja | remove it? |
| 08:13.24 | valdyn | Mitja: yea, for now, your network setup seems fine, and ipmasq messes with fireall, which i dont want as an error source right now.. |
| 08:13.54 | Mitja | purged |
| 08:14.47 | valdyn | Mitja: 192.168.1.1 should be able to ping 192.168.1.2 and vice versa |
| 08:15.00 | valdyn | Mitja: unless you ahve something like a cablin issue.. |
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| 08:15.42 | Ace_NoOne | hi - how can I restart apache? (I'm pretty much a newbie with this) |
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| 08:15.55 | Mitja | valdyn: I can ping now both ways :)) |
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| 08:15.59 | Arafangion | Ace_NoOne: invoke-rc.d apache restart |
| 08:16.01 | Mitja | but still no dice on ssh ... |
| 08:16.19 | Ace_NoOne | Arafangion: invoke-rc.d? |
| 08:16.28 | valdyn | Mitja: umm, ssh dont work in either way? |
| 08:16.50 | Mitja | from client to host not, don't have in installed on client |
| 08:17.28 | valdyn | Mitja: run: 'telnet <hostip> 22' - see what you get |
| 08:17.41 | Arafangion | Ace_NoOne: A utility script that does pretty much the same thing as /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 08:17.54 | Ace_NoOne | thx Arafangion |
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| 08:18.04 | Mitja | valdyn: with subnet host IP i get connection refused |
| 08:18.17 | valdyn | Mitja: restart ssh on host |
| 08:18.32 | Mitja | ah, but it's not 22 |
| 08:18.39 | valdyn | Mitja: you changed it? |
| 08:18.53 | Mitja | yeah |
| 08:18.59 | Mitja | looks like it's working |
| 08:19.41 | Mitja | protocol mismatch |
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| 08:19.42 | Mitja | can i connect to ssh using telnet? |
| 08:19.44 | cast | yeah, but good luck getting anywhere |
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| 08:20.05 | Mitja | lol |
| 08:20.05 | valdyn | Mitja: you just test the connectivity |
| 08:20.12 | valdyn | Mitja: ...with telnet |
| 08:20.21 | Mitja | the connectivity seems to be working |
| 08:20.24 | alafa24 | Hi! I mounted a directory (/dev/sda6 => /mnt/sda6) yesterday, and i cannot umount it (device is busy). How can i recognize what process does it use? |
| 08:20.51 | cast | alafa24: man lsof |
| 08:20.56 | alafa24 | thanks. |
| 08:21.08 | valdyn | Mitja: ssh -p <portnum> should work.. |
| 08:21.47 | Mitja | valdyn: it's just waiting |
| 08:21.54 | Mitja | maybe logs say something ... |
| 08:22.13 | valdyn | Mitja: run 'rm /tmp/ssh*' on the client and try again |
| 08:22.34 | alafa24 | cast: neither fuser nor lsof say anything usable :- (. |
| 08:22.47 | valdyn | Mitja: or rm -r even |
| 08:22.50 | Mitja | valdyn: I'm in :DD |
| 08:22.58 | valdyn | Mitja: ok, nice |
| 08:23.01 | Ace_NoOne | uhm ... our server is not responding, so I want to restart Apache - but I get the following error: |
| 08:23.02 | Ace_NoOne | Invalid command 'CacheSize', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 08:23.04 | Mitja | it took awhile but it connected |
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| 08:23.14 | Mitja | valdyn thanks very much |
| 08:23.20 | Ace_NoOne | nobody should have touched the Apache config tho!? |
| 08:23.29 | cast | alafa24: i do not know then :( |
| 08:23.31 | Mitja | valdyn can I now set up a tunnel or something to share the connection? |
| 08:23.36 | valdyn | Mitja: now you miss ip masquerading to access internet from the client |
| 08:23.53 | Mitja | miss? |
| 08:24.03 | valdyn | Mitja: dont have it |
| 08:24.17 | valdyn | Mitja: the ipmasq package should do it, but im totally unfamiliar with how it works |
| 08:24.36 | Mitja | I installed it today for the first time |
| 08:24.52 | valdyn | Mitja: maybe it will configure itself correctly if you install it now - no idea |
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| 08:25.11 | Mitja | don't know |
| 08:25.11 | valdyn | Mitja: ( on host ) |
| 08:25.18 | Mitja | (ok) |
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| 08:25.37 | JeffH | is there a way to recursively change the permissions for all files but not directories? |
| 08:25.48 | valdyn | JeffH: man find |
| 08:25.51 | Mitja | valdyn: what about sharing net connection? |
| 08:26.04 | valdyn | Mitja: that's what ip masquerading does |
| 08:26.26 | Mitja | oh, I thought it was just for firewall |
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| 08:27.14 | Mitja | couldn't I set up a tunnel and hook it up with free eth1 (ethernet controller) on the client or something? |
| 08:27.17 | valdyn | Mitja: its a little bit of a firewall too ( the ipmasq package ), both masquerading is a subset of firewalling |
| 08:27.40 | valdyn | Mitja: nah |
| 08:27.53 | valdyn | Mitja: you only have one public IP |
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| 08:28.35 | valdyn | Mitja: so any connection from client to internet needs to be masqueraded with that public ip |
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| 08:33.19 | Mitja | valdyn: fantasy |
| 08:33.23 | Mitja | working on client |
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| 08:33.30 | Mitja | the net that is |
| 08:34.01 | Mitja | thank you very much and to stew, you too! |
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| 08:34.22 | Mitja | (or anyone else i may have forgotten) |
| 08:34.52 | valdyn | Mitja: welcome, did ipmasq work this time? |
| 08:35.17 | Mitja | valdyn: yes |
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| 08:42.11 | bonez39 | valdyn, know much about exim4 ? I think you tried to help me yesterday |
| 08:43.22 | wols | !tell bonez39 about anyone |
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| 08:44.04 | jakub_ | hi |
| 08:44.07 | bonez39 | wols, sorry...I am trying to find some help with my email..can't get incoming email...but sends out fine....using exim4 |
| 08:44.11 | jakub_ | i have problem - i booted to debian and sound dont works :-) |
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| 08:44.30 | jakub_ | if i start alsamixergui - there is item called "head" muted but i cant unmute it |
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| 08:45.08 | bonez39 | wols, I was chatting with valdyn yesterday, and I didn't ask if anyone knew this or that...i asked valdyn specifically, as I had chatted with valdyn before...what the hell |
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| 08:46.06 | wols | Please do not ask if anyone...is good with,...<someprogram> |
| 08:46.10 | jakub_ | please |
| 08:46.15 | wols | and don't ask specific people. ask the channel |
| 08:46.35 | wols | jakub_: are you in group audio? root having the same problem? |
| 08:46.44 | jakub_ | dont know how about root |
| 08:46.47 | jakub_ | but i`m in audio group |
| 08:46.53 | liable | jakub_: does running alsaconf help? |
| 08:47.00 | jakub_ | y |
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| 08:47.06 | bonez39 | wols, fine....I am duely chagrined and put in my place...ok? |
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| 08:47.07 | jakub_ | i cant move up HEAD |
| 08:47.11 | jakub_ | in alsamixergui |
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| 08:47.44 | bonez39 | my exim4 doesn't seem to listen to, nor accept incoming email. I dont' know why, am hoping to find an answer here... running debian 3.1 |
| 08:47.55 | wols | bonez39: instead of arguing it would have been time better spent to actually describe your problem |
| 08:48.12 | bonez39 | wols, yes...SIR!!!! |
| 08:48.19 | wols | bonez39: can you tell us the ip/domain it listens on? |
| 08:48.27 | liable | bonez39: run netstat to see if its listening on all ifaces or just localhost |
| 08:48.38 | wols | ask someone else |
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| 08:49.02 | bonez39 | oh, I wont' ask anyone in particular..I'll ask the channel....I know not to ask specific people about this... |
| 08:49.22 | liable | bonez39: ok, you've made your point, dont push it |
| 08:49.24 | wols | bonez39: if you haven't noticed, I was willing ot help you |
| 08:49.38 | bonez39 | I am very willing to receive any help.... |
| 08:49.48 | wols | but with your attiutude I guess it's hard to get help I can imagine |
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| 08:50.18 | bonez39 | had chatted with valdyn yesterday, wanted to resume that conversation...and then I get slammed...that's all....I am not a guru...my knowledge is clearly limited, that's why I come here to get help |
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| 08:50.35 | bonez39 | wols you have helped me in the past and for that I am grateful... |
| 08:50.42 | liable | bonez39: ok. lets get over that bit, and answer the questions you were asked |
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| 08:52.00 | jakub_ | houf |
| 08:52.05 | jakub_ | i have muted front |
| 08:52.08 | bonez39 | liable, ok, I ran just 'netstat' after sshing to the machine having the trouble...I see NOTHING there about listening, only CONNECTED but nothing shows LISTENING |
| 08:52.19 | jakub_ | i dont know why in root it dont work too but there is gnome and i unmuted it easy |
| 08:52.23 | liable | bonez39: netstat -plunt |
| 08:52.45 | liable | jakub_: esd is prolly being the tard in this case |
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| 08:54.29 | bonez39 | liable, ok...shows listening .. on several ports...nothing on port 25 though... tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 08:54.35 | MilhousePunkRock | Hello everyone! |
| 08:55.09 | MilhousePunkRock | Should I rather use nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server and why? |
| 08:55.32 | liable | bonez39: paste your output to a paster that shows localhost listening on 25, but not any iface |
| 08:55.36 | wols | MilhousePunkRock: kernel. faster |
| 08:55.46 | bonez39 | ok.... |
| 08:56.22 | MilhousePunkRock | wols: Ok.. How can I find out if I already have the neccessary modules? |
| 08:56.39 | wols | MilhousePunkRock: if you run a debian kernel, you do |
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| 08:57.17 | bonez39 | liable http://pastebin.ca/598382 |
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| 08:57.36 | rainabba_ | There any gui tools to help me "join" my workstion to a Windows AD (setup authentication and all that)? |
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| 08:58.05 | MilhousePunkRock | wols: Yeah, it's Debian 2.6.18-4-ixp4xx on Arm (Linksys NSLU2) |
| 08:58.09 | liable | bonez39: exim is only listening to localhost |
| 08:58.16 | rainabba_ | I wanna say I used something a couple years back with FC4, but don't remember what it was. |
| 08:58.28 | liable | bonez39: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config chose the internet one |
| 08:59.30 | bonez39 | http://pastebin.ca/598384 this on is as 'root' |
| 08:59.30 | wols | bonez39: just curious, does this host have a public IP? |
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| 08:59.38 | liable | bonez39: what is running on 32722?? |
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| 09:00.12 | wols | ah it doesn't. good |
| 09:00.21 | bonez39 | liable, not sure on 32722 |
| 09:00.29 | liable | nm, its rpc |
| 09:01.05 | bonez39 | liable, so pick internet instead of smarthost, eh? |
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| 09:01.12 | liable | yes |
| 09:01.33 | wols | liable: why would smarthost only listen on localhost? |
| 09:01.33 | bonez39 | liable, any other settings to alter or just that in reconfigure? |
| 09:01.41 | wols | smarthost is a sending thing, not receiving |
| 09:02.01 | liable | wols: cause it relays from local accounts to another mail server only? |
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| 09:02.14 | valdyn | bonez39: more like 'choose what you need, dont use 'local mail only' |
| 09:02.25 | wols | liable: not only. e.g. mine also receives |
| 09:02.46 | wols | the only reason most people use smarthosts is due to dialup RBLS |
| 09:02.47 | bonez39 | valdyn, I set it for internet...top item |
| 09:02.58 | valdyn | bonez39: .. if that is what you need.. fine |
| 09:03.20 | liable | wols: from other machines? |
| 09:03.27 | wols | liable: of course |
| 09:03.38 | wols | as I said: smarthost is a sending thing. not receiving |
| 09:03.39 | bonez39 | just going on liable's advice |
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| 09:04.49 | wols | liable: if you only need a relay like that you could skip the exim hadaches and use ssmtp |
| 09:04.50 | valdyn | bonez39: if you dont understand what you're doing, you shouldnt run an internet smtp server |
| 09:05.15 | liable | wols: my memory isnt infallible apparently, i was confusing smarthost with local mail only |
| 09:05.16 | wols | the reason you want a full blown MTA is to actually run a full blown mail site, receiving too |
| 09:05.26 | bonez39 | valdyn, well, I thougth I knew what i waas doing, as it has worked well over 2 years..but now my confidence is shaken |
| 09:05.40 | wols | liable: I dunno about exim debconf since I only use postfix, always, that's why I was asking |
| 09:05.53 | valdyn | wols: same in exim4 |
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| 09:05.55 | bonez39 | I run mailman with several mail lists...and it requires exim |
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| 09:06.39 | MilhousePunkRock | wols: Are there any other files I need to consider other than /etc/exports and /etc/hosts.allow ? |
| 09:06.56 | liable | wols: i havent used exim for ages either and my mail box was installed two years ago. thus my memory is a bit shite (though i did play with postfix recently, but not at that level) |
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| 09:08.02 | liable | anyway, his was listening only on localhost.. so now it should be listening on interfaces |
| 09:08.23 | bonez39 | liable, netstat -plunt should be different now, right? |
| 09:08.28 | liable | yes |
| 09:08.38 | wols | liable: internet site is still wrong if he uses it from his home DSL connection |
| 09:08.41 | liable | it should show 0.0.0.0:25 |
| 09:08.44 | wols | places like AOL won't accept his mail |
| 09:08.59 | liable | wols: some wont, thats true |
| 09:09.00 | bonez39 | tcp6 0 0 :::25 :::* LISTEN 8368/exim4 |
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| 09:09.14 | wols | MilhousePunkRock: I don't use nfs and don't even know if the NSLUG distro is debian |
| 09:09.22 | bonez39 | already been through it with aol and with msn too... |
| 09:09.31 | bonez39 | they allowed me after I bugged them a while |
| 09:09.52 | liable | wols: my isp will change rdns for me, his may too i guess |
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| 09:10.13 | liable | but it is a soho account admittedly |
| 09:10.14 | wols | liable: that won't change his IP |
| 09:10.24 | bonez39 | I have comcast....but they say..if I am managing my own email server...they don't get in the way |
| 09:10.53 | wols | liable: they filter for IP range normally. not rdns which may or may not work |
| 09:11.05 | wols | and big providers like cocast are easy to filter for IP wise |
| 09:11.24 | wols | plus, IP only needs a local array lookup. rdns needs a network connection |
| 09:12.04 | bonez39 | despite the change...email sent to my account doesn't show up... |
| 09:12.20 | liable | so now check the logs |
| 09:12.22 | wols | bonez39: logs are a wonderful thing |
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| 09:13.18 | bonez39 | now I get this > 2007-07-01 03:12:31 H=wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177] F=<sanchiro@gmail.com> rejected RCPT <scott@fyrenice.dynalias.com>: relay not permitted watching with 'tail -f /var/log/exim4/mainlog' |
| 09:14.21 | bonez39 | I had trouble ssh'ing to m y office (fyrenice.com is registered domain, with dynamic IP from comcast) so I signed up today for dyndns alias.... |
| 09:14.46 | wols | exim doesn't know it serves mail for fyrenice.dynalias.com |
| 09:14.54 | wols | for exim, it's a "foreign" host |
| 09:14.59 | bonez39 | how would I let it know then? |
| 09:15.25 | bonez39 | I need to add it somewhere in dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ?/ |
| 09:15.42 | liable | scott is a local account on that box? and as wols said, thats the fqdn of the box? |
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| 09:16.14 | wols | alindeman: it has more than one |
| 09:16.20 | wols | liable: ^^ |
| 09:16.30 | bonez39 | fyrenice.com is what 'hostname' shows...on that box |
| 09:16.45 | bonez39 | and 'scott' is my user name on it....local account yes |
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| 09:17.47 | eli1 | Sometimes I think if programmers should take more notes on configuration of their systems, almost all servers requires nifty tricks to work smooth, so in a sense you have to be a guru to do it... |
| 09:17.47 | wols | bonez39: that hostname is wrong. hostname should not give out a FQDN |
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| 09:18.11 | bonez39 | wols, maybe the problem is with my fqdn then...how do I check it? |
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| 09:19.03 | wols | no. the problem is not with your fqdn. send a mail to @fyrenice.com and it will most probably get received (depending on your latent dns issues) |
| 09:19.51 | bonez39 | wols, I just tried to mail to scott@fyrenice.com (under normal circumstances, my working email) .... from gmail...and it never arrived...just did that a few minutes ago |
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| 09:20.26 | wols | telnet to your port 25. send it manually to @fyrenice.com and you will see it arrives |
| 09:20.56 | bonez39 | I am ssh'd to that machine.....I am connected locally to is...are you saying send it locally to myself? |
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| 09:21.55 | wols | bonez39: I just sent you a mail |
| 09:22.02 | bonez39 | wols, after a few seconds.mail sent to myself..from that machine .. does arrive... |
| 09:22.04 | wols | yes I did say that |
| 09:22.19 | wols | your exim config is wrong and doesn't know about the dynalias |
| 09:22.24 | wols | you have to fix that. |
| 09:23.08 | bonez39 | 2007-07-01 03:21:00 SMTP protocol synchronization error (input sent without waiting for greeting): rejected connection from H=p |
| 09:23.08 | bonez39 | 549df5e1.dip.t-dialin.net [84.157.245.225] input="ehlo localhost\r\n" |
| 09:23.15 | bonez39 | that shows up in the log |
| 09:23.37 | bonez39 | wols, ok, is the dynalias something I add during dpkg-reconfigure exim-config ??? |
| 09:23.56 | wols | no clue if te debconf for it can do it. as I said: don't use exim |
| 09:24.04 | bonez39 | ok... |
| 09:24.11 | mancubus | Does Anybody use HP2110 IPaq on Debian? |
| 09:24.18 | bonez39 | wols, I dont' see your incoming email |
| 09:24.21 | wols | bonez39: exim didn't like ehlo localhost. that's why I used gmail.com in the 2nd try |
| 09:24.37 | wols | mail from: donotreply@gmail.com |
| 09:24.42 | bonez39 | 2007-07-01 03:21:48 1I4vcm-0002D9-0w <= donotreply@gmail.com H=p549df5e1.dip.t-dialin.net (gmail.com) [84.157.245.225] P=esmtp |
| 09:24.42 | bonez39 | S=244 |
| 09:24.47 | bonez39 | so that was yours? |
| 09:24.51 | wols | yes |
| 09:25.05 | bonez39 | ok, the log shows it there, but invoking 'mutt' doesn't show anything |
| 09:25.07 | wols | for the last time: fix your exim config |
| 09:25.16 | bonez39 | ok, going to do that now.... |
| 09:25.27 | liable | mancubus: linux-laptop.net |
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| 09:25.50 | mancubus | liable, this PPC |
| 09:25.56 | mancubus | liable, thx |
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| 09:26.31 | liable | gtk apps are supposed to look unpretty :P |
| 09:26.38 | MilhousePunkRock | wols: Since I installed Debian on it, it's definately Debian... |
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| 09:27.22 | wols | MilhousePunkRock: we see people every day that claim their DSL is debian and stuff like that |
| 09:27.32 | wols | MilhousePunkRock: so excuse me if I take this with a grain of salt |
| 09:28.08 | MilhousePunkRock | wols: I am not _that_ unexperienced, using a Debian-derivate for a little more than a year now... |
| 09:28.18 | solar_sea | liable, I want atleast the font antialiasing that qt/kde has :D |
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| 09:29.00 | bonez39 | wols, could you send another test, please |
| 09:29.04 | bonez39 | might be working now |
| 09:29.05 | liable | solar_sea: dont ask me, i am a font and prettyness tard, i couldnt even describe what antialiasing is :) |
| 09:29.12 | wols | bonez39: no |
| 09:29.19 | wols | bonez39: you can do it on your own |
| 09:29.20 | liable | haha |
| 09:29.40 | solar_sea | lol :D |
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| 09:30.33 | bonez39 | tut mir leid |
| 09:30.50 | liable | engrish! |
| 09:30.53 | wols | this is an english only channel |
| 09:31.01 | wols | for german help: #debian.de |
| 09:31.23 | liable | much friendlier too |
| 09:31.44 | wols | liable: how would you know? I'm in there right now? :P |
| 09:32.14 | bonez39 | wols, final question, then to bed..all the email that has likely been hitting my server....where does it go, as comcast, my ISP doesn't store it...does it just evaporate? |
| 09:32.41 | liable | the mail fairies clean it out at night time |
| 09:32.54 | wols | mailservers will try for some time to resend. then the sender will get a error message |
| 09:33.15 | wols | I think it's traditional to try 3 days, but it depends on the config of the sending mailserver |
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| 09:33.51 | alesan | hi somebody has an idea how to installa a crosscompile toolchain for debian arm? |
| 09:33.55 | alesan | install |
| 09:33.55 | wols | what happens to you fyrenice.com mail is: unknown domain basically |
| 09:34.23 | bonez39 | so let's say one of my patients...received my mailing via mailman...yesterday morning..and they were out of their office...i.e., send automatically that dumb I am out notice...it will try for tthree days ... and then give up? |
| 09:34.35 | wols | alesan: for what ARM device? |
| 09:34.39 | alesan | wols, NSLU2 |
| 09:34.43 | liable | bonez39: please tell me your not a doctor! |
| 09:34.56 | liable | :P |
| 09:35.02 | alesan | wols, I want to compile mencoder for it |
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| 09:35.10 | bonez39 | liable, well, depends on your bias...I am a Chiropractor....does that qualify? not sure |
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| 09:35.15 | DragoraN | is there any frontend like tcng for tc ? |
| 09:35.21 | wols | alesan: http://peter.korsgaard.com/articles/debian-nslu2.php |
| 09:35.25 | alesan | it seems existing mplayer packages for arm don't include mencoder |
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| 09:35.47 | liable | bonez39: good question, not sure if it does or not. |
| 09:35.50 | alesan | thank you wols |
| 09:35.52 | dimir | Moin! |
| 09:35.56 | wols | mencoder on a 200MHz ARM cpu. why? |
| 09:36.26 | w3rd | would anyone be able to tell me how to restore my config after saving .bash_profile edit to ~ ? |
| 09:36.43 | liable | dimir: when you add a ! to moin it makes me think you are really happy and bursting with energy in the morning. then i want to strangle you :P |
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| 09:36.54 | bonez39 | liable, I teach my patients how to live without all the drugs, how to move and be strong and healthy...that's what a 'doctor' does by definition, teaches...but if one defines doctor as one with a needle and script pad, then I am not a doctor... |
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| 09:37.18 | alesan | wols, I am getting pictures every minute from this: http://lnx.manoweb.com/wifi/webcam/ |
| 09:37.19 | edistar | good morning |
| 09:37.34 | dimir | liabl: LOL :-P |
| 09:37.41 | alesan | wols, I want to create a flash video or similar every day out of the pictures taken during the day |
| 09:37.41 | eli1 | edistar: good morning |
| 09:37.49 | dimir | wow |
| 09:37.56 | dimir | no autocomplete in irssi? |
| 09:37.59 | dimir | that sux. |
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| 09:38.12 | liable | of course there is |
| 09:38.14 | wols | dimir: there is |
| 09:38.15 | dimir | I have to give TAB explicilty |
| 09:38.23 | dimir | Just switched to it. |
| 09:38.28 | liable | oh, yeah, that is autocomplete |
| 09:38.38 | dimir | I guess so. |
| 09:38.42 | liable | well, tab complete i guess is the technical term |
| 09:38.54 | liable | nicktab! |
| 09:38.59 | dimir | hehe, ye. |
| 09:39.04 | dimir | Well, I can live with it. |
| 09:39.07 | bonez39 | liable, thanks...I am heading to bed.. |
| 09:39.12 | liable | you get used to it |
| 09:39.17 | liable | bonez39: have fun |
| 09:39.43 | liable | not neccesarily in bed.. |
| 09:39.54 | dimir | liabl: it's even better in case there are multiple choices for completion. This way you won't fsck up. Like I did in BX. :-P |
| 09:39.59 | liable | good on ya if it *is* in bed! :) |
| 09:39.59 | ktwilight | !lenny |
| 09:39.59 | dpkg | lenny is, like, the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 09:40.20 | ktwilight | my bad |
| 09:40.21 | dimir | damn |
| 09:40.21 | dimir | again. |
| 09:40.23 | dimir | Gotta be more careful. :-) |
| 09:40.33 | _gpg_ | !gcc |
| 09:40.33 | dpkg | it has been said that gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection. see http://gcc.gnu.org/ or #gcc |
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| 09:40.41 | dimir | It feels like irssi is completed BX. |
| 09:40.47 | liable | dimir: i just hit first letter then tab, irssi usually gets the last spoken nick with that letter or the last one you spoke to |
| 09:41.42 | dimir | liable: nice. |
| 09:41.42 | dimir | just did it and it worked! |
| 09:41.43 | dimir | ;) |
| 09:41.43 | DragoraN | is there any frontend like tcng for tc ? |
| 09:41.43 | siimo | hi just a question.. what version of gcc is Lenny C header files compiled with? Vmware doesn't seem to like my gcc 4.1.x compiled kernel along with debians C header files |
| 09:41.43 | liable | but its a pain when you are talking to two people starting with the same letter |
| 09:41.43 | edistar | siimo: look in synaptic ;) |
| 09:41.43 | liable | i fuck that up all the time |
| 09:41.44 | siimo | nable to make a vmmon module that can be loaded in the running kernel: There is probably a slight difference in the kernel configuration between the set of C header files you specified and your running kernel. You may want to rebuild a kernel based on that directory, or specify another directory. |
| 09:41.50 | siimo | edistar: ? |
| 09:42.02 | liable | because it works so well usually, you dont check to see if it completed the right nick |
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| 09:42.04 | edistar | it tells you the version if you search for gcc |
| 09:42.16 | valdyn | siimo: those headers arent compiled at all, and your vmware is probably as usual confusing userspace with kernel headers |
| 09:43.10 | edistar | vmware kept fucking up my network connection in lenny.. thats why I removed it 3 days ago.. my system kept crashing as I use nfs shares a lot and it didn't like loosing connection.. |
| 09:43.48 | edistar | siimo: gcc -v tells you the version too.. |
| 09:43.51 | siimo | valdyn: i compiled a kernel myself |
| 09:44.45 | valdyn | siimo: what does that have to do with anything? |
| 09:45.10 | liable | i was just thinking it was incoherent rambling myself |
| 09:45.28 | regulate | you're wasted |
| 09:45.43 | valdyn | siimo: you want to verify which headers exactly vmware is using, and show us |
| 09:45.45 | siimo | valdyn: well the C header files may not be compiled with the same version of gcc |
| 09:45.57 | wols | siimo: since when are C header files compiled? |
| 09:45.59 | liable | eh? |
| 09:46.02 | valdyn | siimo: again: headers are headers are headers, they are not compiled |
| 09:46.08 | siimo | ok |
| 09:46.44 | siimo | vmware is using /usr/src/linux-2.6.21.3/include/ |
| 09:46.51 | wols | simmerz: what "C header files" are you actually talking about? |
| 09:46.56 | wols | siimo: package name |
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| 09:47.15 | valdyn | siimo: that's where your self compiled kernel is ? |
| 09:47.15 | siimo | wols: i don't have a package name as it was manually built |
| 09:47.23 | siimo | yeah valdyn |
| 09:47.37 | wols | siimo: even then there are packages. |
| 09:47.47 | wols | kernel-package sees to that |
| 09:47.58 | valdyn | siimo: looks good. If you did not run a make mrpoper or similar there, that's where the right headers are |
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| 09:48.41 | siimo | yeah it should be good but it wont accept it... nvidia driver compiled ok from those headers |
| 09:48.54 | valdyn | siimo: what's the actual error? |
| 09:49.21 | siimo | make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config3/vmmon-only' sh: line 1: 4433 Segmentation fault 'insmod' -p '/tmp/vmware-config3/vmmon.o' >/dev/null 2>&1 Unable to make a vmmon module that can be loaded in the running kernel: |
| 09:49.33 | liable | nice |
| 09:49.37 | wols | !btssmite siimo |
| 09:49.43 | wols | no header problem at all |
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| 09:49.49 | wols | it's a known bug |
| 09:49.55 | siimo | :S known ? |
| 09:49.56 | wols | regarding insmod that is |
| 09:50.03 | wols | yes known |
| 09:50.13 | edistar | don't be so unfriendly.... poor old siimo;) |
| 09:50.19 | valdyn | vmware must use the most retarded kernel driver build system i've over seen, and been bad like that for ages =/ |
| 09:50.45 | wols | edistar: people who don't read bdo or can't read make output shouldn't run sid or compile their own kernels |
| 09:50.48 | siimo | is that debian specific bug |
| 09:50.57 | siimo | wols: i am running lenny. |
| 09:50.59 | wols | and there is always: |
| 09:51.03 | wols | !vmware |
| 09:51.03 | dpkg | from memory, vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 09:51.34 | liable | is it insmods fault? |
| 09:51.39 | wols | I don't know if it's debian specific, since I only run debian |
| 09:51.47 | nvz | I took one of my keyboards apart to change it to the DVORAK layout only to discover like 2 keys had the groves on the sides instead of the top/bottom.. so I had to mount 4 kets sideways |
| 09:51.48 | liable | why is it trying to load a .o module on 2.6 |
| 09:51.52 | wols | liable: yes. if you simply run "insmod" it segfaults |
| 09:51.56 | valdyn | trying to insmod a .o file is vmwares fault anyway |
| 09:51.57 | siimo | evening just typing insmod Segmentation fault |
| 09:52.12 | liable | wols: doesnt here |
| 09:52.18 | wols | liable: etch? |
| 09:52.20 | nvz | at least until I sand the grooves off |
| 09:52.21 | liable | sid |
| 09:52.45 | wols | liable: does here (sid too, but probably older insmod) |
| 09:52.49 | wols | maybe they fixed it by now |
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| 09:53.06 | ktwilight | how's lenny on a production server? |
| 09:53.12 | wols | bad |
| 09:53.13 | valdyn | ktwilight: it isnt |
| 09:53.22 | ktwilight | how bad? |
| 09:53.35 | edistar | gentoo still loads a lot of .o modules.. |
| 09:53.37 | wols | either lenny OR productions server. mutually exclusive |
| 09:53.41 | valdyn | ktwilight: production server means that you dont go more unstable than necessary |
| 09:53.50 | ktwilight | true |
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| 09:53.55 | siimo | i never said poduction server |
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| 09:54.09 | ktwilight | i require fuse 2.6.x which isn't in etch |
| 09:54.22 | ktwilight | am just wondering if i should mix or just upgrade to lenny |
| 09:54.35 | edistar | ktwilight: if you really need packages what are not in etch then lenny would probably not be too bad, but etch is to be preferred. |
| 09:54.44 | edistar | ktwilight: try mixing first.. |
| 09:54.53 | valdyn | siimo: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=428587 i guess |
| 09:55.04 | ktwilight | sounds good. fuse doesn't require too many dependencies IIRC |
| 09:55.09 | ktwilight | k, thanks edistar |
| 09:55.13 | valdyn | ktwilight: is it on backports.org? |
| 09:55.18 | ktwilight | ah, good question |
| 09:55.19 | ktwilight | forgot to check |
| 09:55.32 | valdyn | !info fuse-utils etch |
| 09:55.35 | dpkg | fuse-utils: (Filesystem in USErspace (utilities)), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.5.3-4.4 (etch), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 09:56.15 | edistar | wrong version |
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| 09:56.42 | valdyn | ktwilight: btw, dont mix, use '/msg dpkg simple sid backport' |
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| 09:57.54 | ktwilight | valdyn, does that apply for lenny too? |
| 09:58.00 | valdyn | ktwilight: yes |
| 09:58.04 | ktwilight | also, what are the implications when i have to upgrade to lenny when it becomes stable? |
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| 09:58.30 | valdyn | ktwilight: none if lenny has a newer version by then |
| 09:58.40 | ktwilight | ok, sounds good. i'll try it out, thanks :) |
| 09:58.50 | valdyn | ktwilight: you should manually install a lenny package if it has not |
| 09:59.01 | ktwilight | if it has not...? |
| 09:59.25 | valdyn | ktwilight: if lenny has no newer version, then you should take care that your backport is replaced with a lenny package |
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| 09:59.55 | ktwilight | ah i see. will add some docs on my changes then ;) |
| 10:00.05 | valdyn | ktwilight: should happen automagically, but i dont know the precise technical details on same-version packages |
| 10:00.23 | ktwilight | not a problem, soudns safe so far. |
| 10:00.30 | siimo | ah thanks.. got the problem solved by calling insmod with fullpath |
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| 10:05.21 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:05.21 | dpkg | i heard qotd171 is <opensores> A readme is telling me to type '/sbin/ifconfig ra0 inet YOUR_IP up' but what do I replace YOUR_IP with? |
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| 10:09.20 | liable | Guerin: http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/sheep-phone |
| 10:10.06 | wols | liable: that was low :) |
| 10:10.31 | liable | wols: i know, i just cant help it, its ingrained from an early age :) |
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| 10:13.25 | liable | and just beacuse its quiet, and seems so fitting amongst the hype.. http://danielhaggard.com/51/behold-the-iphoney/ |
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| 10:14.46 | siimo | is "loop" supposed to be in /etc/modules by default |
| 10:15.14 | liable | its kinda nice to have, yeah |
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| 10:20.02 | philippk | i have a problem with my sound-device - after reboot i have to run alsaconf to get my sound working. how can i fix this? "alsactl store" did not help anything |
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| 10:20.30 | spheard | what can I use to monitor network traffic? |
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| 10:20.40 | cahoot | philippk: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 10:20.52 | cahoot | philippk: only one card listed? |
| 10:20.59 | liable | philippk: you are asking the age old question that I have never seen the answer too |
| 10:21.11 | philippk | liable: ;D |
| 10:21.12 | spheard | I want to maybe produce a weekly report on I/O |
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| 10:21.20 | karmatronic | philippk: run alsaconfig again to get right module |
| 10:21.22 | philippk | cahoot: yes, only one |
| 10:21.31 | edistar | spheard: nmap |
| 10:21.33 | liable | spheard: ntop |
| 10:21.33 | karmatronic | philippk: then put this module in /etc/modules.conf |
| 10:21.38 | philippk | karmatronic: alsaconfig again and again, thats the problem |
| 10:21.41 | karmatronic | philippk: so that it gets loaded at bot time |
| 10:21.44 | cahoot | philippk: run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
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| 10:22.03 | karmatronic | philippk: just run alsaconfig once to get module name |
| 10:22.11 | philippk | ok ;D |
| 10:22.22 | liable | jk |
| 10:23.54 | philippk | cahoot: where do i find invoke-rc.d? |
| 10:24.03 | philippk | cahoot: never mind... |
| 10:24.33 | philippk | reboot - thx so far! |
| 10:24.56 | liable | come back if it works |
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| 10:26.09 | liable | cahoot: what does that do? (without me having to expend brain energy on checking the script ;) |
| 10:26.45 | cahoot | Short-Description: Restore and store ALSA driver settings |
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| 10:27.30 | cahoot | also unmutes and sets levels |
| 10:27.47 | cahoot | a debian beauty |
| 10:27.47 | liable | doesnt it get called at boot? and shutdown? |
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| 10:28.52 | Enverex | cahoot, It's in like every distro |
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| 10:29.31 | cahoot | Enverex: well since it's in my debian .. |
| 10:29.35 | liable | Enverex: yes, but why do people have to do the alsaconf dance? |
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| 10:29.56 | cahoot | they don't |
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| 10:30.02 | alexbodn | hi all |
| 10:30.08 | philippk | no, its not working :( |
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| 10:30.25 | alexbodn | why don't i see any update for testing? |
| 10:30.32 | liable | cahoot: some do, and i have never seen rime nor reason for it |
| 10:30.40 | cahoot | philippk: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return anything |
| 10:30.54 | edistar | alexbodn: for how long? |
| 10:30.57 | liable | root: you cant talk in this channel as root. log back in as a user |
| 10:31.11 | alexbodn | edistar: a few days |
| 10:31.22 | edistar | I had updates 2 hours ago ;) |
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| 10:31.33 | edistar | what does a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade say? |
| 10:31.39 | philippk | cahoot: nothing |
| 10:31.50 | alexbodn | edistar: maybe my sitelist is not good? |
| 10:32.06 | cahoot | philippk: run aplay <some.wav> in a term |
| 10:32.20 | philippk | where do i get a wav? |
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| 10:32.27 | edistar | alexbodn: maybe your sources.list isn't correct.. |
| 10:32.43 | cahoot | philippk: /usr/share/doc/alsa |
| 10:32.50 | alexbodn | edistar: what's your main source? |
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| 10:33.04 | karmatronic | philippk: do you knwo the module of your soundcard? |
| 10:33.44 | philippk | snd-hda-intel |
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| 10:33.51 | cahoot | philippk: run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 10:33.59 | edistar | alexbodn: http://nopaste.php-q.net/307508 |
| 10:34.01 | karmatronic | philippk: so try putting this module in /etc/modules.conf |
| 10:34.17 | alexbodn | edistar: thanks |
| 10:34.21 | aegir | Hi all, what soundcard is recommended and works well under debian. |
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| 10:34.28 | philippk | cahoot: ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:867:(snd_pcm_direct_initialize_slave) snd_pcm_hw_params_any failed |
| 10:34.34 | philippk | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:876:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to initialize slave |
| 10:34.36 | edistar | alexbodn: you're welcome ;) |
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| 10:34.39 | karmatronic | aegir: depends on what you want to use it for |
| 10:34.45 | alexbodn | edistar: :) |
| 10:35.00 | aegir | basic. music. movies. |
| 10:35.05 | philippk | karmatronic: i already done that |
| 10:35.13 | philippk | did |
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| 10:36.25 | karmatronic | philippk: and it didnt work ? |
| 10:36.34 | philippk | no |
| 10:36.36 | siimo | hi anyone know why the shortcuts OpenOffice creats for writer etc don't work? they open openoffice but not a new writer document |
| 10:36.39 | karmatronic | edistar: then any card will do |
| 10:36.57 | karmatronic | philippk: but the modules gets loaded at boot time? |
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| 10:37.10 | karmatronic | aegir: any card will do |
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| 10:37.40 | aegir | well no, my X-fi has no driver for exemple. |
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| 10:37.47 | philippk | karmatronic: i dont know - how do i know? |
| 10:38.06 | karmatronic | philippk: after booting and before running alsaconfig run lsmod | grep snd |
| 10:38.24 | wols | aegir: don't you have a mobo built in soundcard? |
| 10:38.41 | karmatronic | aegir: creative ? |
| 10:38.49 | wols | aegir: if you want a well supported card by alsa, probably the SBLive 5.1 is good: very cheap and hardware mixer support |
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| 10:39.04 | philippk | karmatronic: yes its loaded... a lot is loaded 9 entries |
| 10:39.11 | KDan | is there a standard utility that can compare 2 directory trees and tell you what the differences are? |
| 10:39.19 | aegir | hmm, i might try the onboard stuff first. thanks. |
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| 10:39.21 | KDan | (in terms of file contents) |
| 10:39.26 | valdyn | KDan: diff |
| 10:39.41 | karmatronic | philippk: ok so it s really an alsa issue |
| 10:39.49 | KDan | diff can do that? great. |
| 10:39.51 | cahoot | philippk: what are the perms on /dev/snd/* ? |
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| 10:40.37 | karmatronic | aegir: it s a X-Fi or X-fi extreme audio |
| 10:40.49 | philippk | cahoot: how do i |
| 10:40.58 | Enverex | karmatronic, Those have no suppport in ALSA atm |
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| 10:41.17 | aegir | karmatronic: its the basic x-fi |
| 10:41.32 | karmatronic | philippk: the second one seems supported with ca0106 module |
| 10:41.37 | mosty | when are /etc/cron.weekly jobs run? |
| 10:41.47 | karmatronic | philippk: ls -l /dev/snd/ |
| 10:42.04 | wols | mosty: sunday morning iirc |
| 10:42.12 | cahoot | mosty: look in /etc/crontab |
| 10:42.17 | philippk | cahoot: karmatronic: crw-rw---- |
| 10:42.24 | mosty | wols, cahoot, i had just found that- thanks |
| 10:42.37 | cahoot | philippk: root.audio or what? |
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| 10:42.57 | philippk | cahoot: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116 |
| 10:43.23 | philippk | with mplayer i get this error |
| 10:43.28 | cahoot | philippk: that's as should be - 'id' as user says audio too? |
| 10:43.47 | philippk | [AO OSS] Can't set audio device /dev/dsp to s16le output, trying s16le... |
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| 10:44.22 | philippk | cahoot: yes it does |
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| 10:44.46 | cahoot | philippk: you don't happen to have an .asoundrc? |
| 10:44.58 | philippk | no |
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| 10:46.36 | cahoot | philippk: what alsa version? (/proc/asound/version) |
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| 10:47.16 | alexbodn | edistar: my mirror was bad indeed. thanks again :) |
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| 10:55.40 | philippk | cahoot: /proc/asound/version Permission denied |
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| 10:56.18 | cahoot | philippk: cat /proc/asound/version |
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| 10:56.56 | philippk | cahoot: ;D sry - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.13 |
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| 10:58.00 | cahoot | philippk: so what's the story - you had a working setup - upgraded and sound stops working? |
| 10:58.30 | philippk | cahoot: installed debian, got trouble with the sound |
| 10:59.04 | cahoot | philippk: did it ever work? |
| 10:59.18 | philippk | sound works after running alsaconf |
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| 10:59.36 | philippk | but after every reboot its all --- gone |
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| 11:00.52 | AntiInit | sound card fun..... I just got sound working on my ibm thinkpad. had to disable pnp, enter ports and irqs etc |
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| 11:02.42 | hark | philippk: gone? are you sure it's not just muted on every reboot? |
| 11:03.16 | philippk | hark: alsamixer is at 100 |
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| 11:03.39 | cahoot | philippk: level is different from mute status |
| 11:03.41 | philippk | hark: and ncmpc doesnt start playing |
| 11:04.30 | philippk | cahoot: where do i see the mute status |
| 11:04.34 | cahoot | philippk: alsamixer shows 00 not M at the bottom of master? |
| 11:04.53 | philippk | cahoot: yes it does |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gtk-chtheme' returned no results. |
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| 11:08.20 | philippk | is there a way to disable alle modules?! |
| 11:08.21 | MangosDebian | morning |
| 11:08.33 | philippk | morning! |
| 11:08.39 | MangosDebian | philippk: /etc/modprob.d/blacklist ? |
| 11:08.40 | cahoot | philippk: run invoke-rc.d alsa --force-reload && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
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| 11:08.58 | MangosDebian | think thats the filename, its in there though if you look around |
| 11:08.58 | Danielss89 | is amd64 a 64 bit version of debian? |
| 11:09.19 | Maakuth | yep |
| 11:09.36 | Maakuth | for 64-bit x86-processors |
| 11:09.42 | Danielss89 | oki |
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| 11:09.58 | philippk | MangosDebian: there is noc blacklist |
| 11:09.59 | Maakuth | there's some non-x86 64-bit processors out there :) |
| 11:10.19 | MangosDebian | hey guys, question for the guru's, out of the dosen or so package mirror programs for debian, what one is best for only mirroring the security archives? Looking to package a cd of them over time for offline use. |
| 11:10.36 | MangosDebian | philippk: check the files, one of the has blacklist modules |
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| 11:11.13 | philippk | invoke-rc.d: syntax error: unknown option "--force-reload" |
| 11:11.14 | MangosDebian | specifically, i dont want to mirror the whole site, i just want the i386 updates for etch |
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| 11:11.27 | philippk | invoke-rc.d: syntax error: unknown option "--force-reload" |
| 11:11.39 | philippk | cahoot: invoke-rc.d: syntax error: unknown option "--force-reload" |
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| 11:11.49 | philippk | cahoot: invoke-rc.d: syntax error: unknown option --force-reload |
| 11:11.52 | philippk | test |
| 11:11.57 | MangosDebian | philippk: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist is on my system, no idea why you cant find it |
| 11:11.57 | philippk | sry!!!!!!!! |
| 11:12.18 | cahoot | philippk: my bad invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload |
| 11:12.29 | philippk | cahoot: ;D |
| 11:12.34 | philippk | MangosDebian: ok i have a blacklist |
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| 11:13.11 | MangosDebian | philippk: that wont help if the module is already loaded and cant be removed cause its in use though. only stops future loading |
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| 11:14.41 | philippk | cahoot: hey it works without alsaconf so far!!!!!! |
| 11:14.51 | philippk | cahoot: may i try to reboot now? |
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| 11:15.06 | Internat | so i have a question that is probably more specific to courier but ill ask in here for hope.. will courier-maildrop honour the uid:gid values that it gets from auth-daemon? |
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| 11:16.18 | davi | Where 'icedove' save the mail box? |
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| 11:18.37 | philippk | it does not work after restart :( |
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| 11:19.00 | philippk | cahoot: |
| 11:19.09 | MangosDebian | davi: you checked for a dotfile in your home dir? |
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| 11:19.40 | MangosDebian | davi: i mean, its that or in ~/Mail or something. perhaps ~/.icedove? |
| 11:19.40 | davi | MangosDebian, I have got it at .mozilla-thunderbird/o7mp52d4.default/Mail/Local\ Folders/Inbox |
| 11:19.43 | davi | thanks |
| 11:19.47 | spheard | like sparc |
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| 11:20.02 | MangosDebian | davi: heh, they changed the name but still use the same dot folder? nice |
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| 11:20.35 | davi | MangosDebian, yeah. They have only changed what is forced by the law |
| 11:20.55 | davi | well, I am not sure |
| 11:21.06 | MangosDebian | !icedove |
| 11:21.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, icedove is a fork to replace thunderbird. Debian is unable to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name due to trademark restrictions. See also DFSG, iceweasel, or gnuzilla http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. |
| 11:21.30 | MangosDebian | trademark restrictions? lol |
| 11:22.06 | joeyjones | lol!! |
| 11:22.24 | joeyjones | oh yeah, wasn't there a thunderbirds tv show?? |
| 11:22.53 | yetifoot | hah |
| 11:23.01 | MangosDebian | i dont understand how thats even an issue. if debian is forced to change names, than mozilla should have to rename as well |
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| 11:24.21 | mosty | MangosDebian, do you even know what a trademark is? |
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| 11:24.32 | yetifoot | i think the trademark restrictions bit means more that you can't distribute a modified version of mozilla stuff with the same name |
| 11:24.33 | MangosDebian | IANAL, so no :) |
| 11:24.38 | rilofa | hello, how can I know which packages depens on a given package? thx |
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| 11:24.52 | mosty | MangosDebian, well the owner of the trademark (ie mozilla foundation) gets to keep using the name |
| 11:24.56 | yetifoot | rilofa, apt-cache depends i think |
| 11:25.13 | rilofa | yetifoot: I'll try it, thx |
| 11:25.17 | tarzeau | mosty: mozilla is a joke |
| 11:25.28 | mosty | tarzeau, i agree |
| 11:25.32 | tarzeau | mosty: :) |
| 11:25.41 | yetifoot | rilofa, i also like apt-rdepends |
| 11:26.04 | MangosDebian | mosty: so debian had to change names because they forked? or they would have had to rename it even if they only distributed it with debian anyways? |
| 11:26.28 | rilofa | yetifoot, if I'm not wrong apt-rdepends gives more info, doesn't it? |
| 11:26.30 | mosty | MangosDebian, yes (because what debian releases is modified) |
| 11:26.42 | rilofa | yetifoot, apt-cache depends does the job i wanted |
| 11:26.43 | MangosDebian | ah, well that makes more sense |
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| 11:26.54 | yetifoot | rilofa, yes, or at least i found it more helpful, as the recursive nature works well |
| 11:27.12 | yetifoot | i think the problem comes also because firefox official uses some non open source bits IIRC, and debian don't want |
| 11:27.19 | rilofa | yetifoot, recursive, yes indeed |
| 11:27.30 | MangosDebian | mosty: thanks for the nfo though |
| 11:29.52 | liable | it was originally just the artwork, then mozilla got anal and said debian would have to get all patches approved by mozzilla |
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| 11:30.44 | cryptos | what is this error? |
| 11:30.48 | philippk | anyone who can help me with my sound? my sound doesnt work until i run alsaconf - after every restart |
| 11:30.54 | cryptos | FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module fglrx.ko uses GPL-only symbol '__rcu_read_unlock' |
| 11:30.58 | cryptos | what is this error |
| 11:30.59 | cryptos | ? |
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| 11:31.14 | cryptos | when i compile kernel |
| 11:31.17 | rilofa | yetifoot: regarding apt-cache depends what's the sense of "|"? |
| 11:31.20 | vin` | where should I stick a few amixer commands needed for the mic? |
| 11:31.26 | MangosDebian | kinda understandable. I mean if you take a copy of my code, add some patches and things break, people would associated the bad experience with my product because of you. Very easy to abuse if someone had ill intent in mind from the start |
| 11:31.56 | yetifoot | rilofa, i'm not sure, i only used it once or twice |
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| 11:32.37 | MangosDebian | philippk: i dont do sound but, doesnt alsaconf have a startup script? |
| 11:32.51 | philippk | MangosDebian: dont think so |
| 11:33.11 | MangosDebian | have you checked? |
| 11:33.12 | rilofa | yetifoot, thanks anyway... I was guessing about installed/not installed packages: but it is not |
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| 11:39.29 | oxylin | Hi |
| 11:39.35 | oxylin | some people have experience about munin? |
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| 11:40.51 | mosty | oxylin, yes |
| 11:41.37 | oxylin | mosty, I synchronize my server with ntp... in munin, peers appear but nothing is graph... |
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| 11:41.58 | mosty | oxylin, what are you trying to graph? |
| 11:42.14 | oxylin | I don't really know... it's the default config |
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| 11:42.48 | oxylin | mosty, but it seems to be the offset, the delay and jitter |
| 11:42.50 | mosty | oxylin, i can't help you unless you know what you're trying to do |
| 11:43.06 | MangosDebian | lol, "What are you trying to do?", "I DONT KNOW! *cries*" |
| 11:43.31 | oxylin | mosty, I would like to disable ntp in munin if possible, or if not, to clean it by removing what is useless |
| 11:43.55 | mosty | oxylin, remove the relevant script from /etc/munin/plugins/ |
| 11:43.55 | oxylin | mosty, http://sd-10654.dedibox.fr/munin/private-net/server.private-net.html|Other |
| 11:44.10 | oxylin | mosty, http://sd-10654.dedibox.fr/munin/private-net/server.private-net.html#Other |
| 11:45.27 | mosty | you can edit the plugin script(s) to see why they're not working (try running them from the command line), or just remove the ones you don't want |
| 11:45.52 | oxylin | ok thank you |
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| 11:47.01 | MangosDebian | any suggestions on how one might go about mirroring i386 etch security updates? |
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| 11:48.05 | mosno | MangosDebian: can't you get some apt mirror tool that lets you mirror for certain lines in sources.list |
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| 11:49.02 | mosty | MangosDebian, apt-mirror or apt-proxy or approx |
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| 11:49.41 | MangosDebian | well, i see a few tools that all seem to do the same. but after i get an archive mirror'd, i would like to package it in a debian cd format as well. just wondering if anything did both or if i just have to get like debmirror and package it |
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| 11:50.31 | MangosDebian | i dont really want a proxy though since that would require me to actually pick updates. I just want everyone one of them for just i386 to burn to cd |
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| 11:51.36 | mosty | MangosDebian, debmirror would work |
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| 11:54.20 | MangosDebian | well, got a mirror program lined up, any suggestion for tool to make a apt-get compatible cdrom iso out of the mirror files? |
| 11:54.36 | liable | apt-cdrom? |
| 11:55.03 | liable | search for apt, theres a pile of tools for doing stuff |
| 11:55.07 | MangosDebian | does that actually make them? always thought it was just to add new cd's to apt |
| 11:55.27 | MangosDebian | ok sorry, been search cdrom and packages and mirror and stuff but no luck yet |
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| 11:55.48 | liable | just search apt, then show the packages that look promising |
| 11:56.02 | MangosDebian | sounds good, thanks |
| 11:56.16 | philippk | how do i remove oss modules?! |
| 11:56.31 | MangosDebian | only 540 packages lol (apt-cache search apt) :/ |
| 11:56.32 | philippk | lsmod |
| 11:56.47 | philippk | from kernel |
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| 11:57.10 | george_looney | hello people |
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| 11:57.29 | oush | Hi lads |
| 11:57.36 | oush | you know debian comes in 3 parts 4 gig each |
| 11:57.39 | oush | do i need all 3 parts |
| 11:57.44 | oush | or will part 1 be enough to install ? |
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| 11:58.05 | Enverex | .... er? |
| 11:58.18 | oush | i tried downloading debian |
| 11:58.18 | liable | oush: just get the netinstaller if you have dsl |
| 11:58.23 | oush | bah fuck |
| 11:58.28 | oush | wheres da netinstaller? |
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| 11:58.34 | liable | !d-i oush |
| 11:58.34 | dpkg | oush, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:58.41 | Enverex | Since when has Debian been 12G? |
| 11:58.50 | liable | its actually more |
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| 11:59.06 | liable | Enverex: if you download all the dvd's |
| 11:59.12 | oush | [ ] debian-40r0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent 07-Apr-2007 15:25 88K |
| 11:59.12 | oush | [ ] debian-40r0-amd64-DVD-2.iso.torrent 07-Apr-2007 15:28 88K |
| 11:59.12 | oush | [ ] debian-40r0-amd64-DVD-3.iso.torrent 07-Apr-2007 15:31 83K |
| 11:59.15 | oush | iv got dvd 1 |
| 11:59.19 | oush | whats dvd 2 and 3 for? |
| 11:59.27 | Enverex | Wow... |
| 11:59.30 | liable | just install it with the dvd then |
| 11:59.34 | MangosDebian | everything that isnt on dvd 1 :) |
| 11:59.47 | oush | lol so i need to download all 3 before i can begin installing? |
| 11:59.52 | liable | no |
| 11:59.52 | MangosDebian | no |
| 11:59.54 | xand | oush: dont paste |
| 12:00.03 | george_looney | I am wondering if I should use testing for a desktop use setting? |
| 12:00.08 | liable | oush: just install with the dvd |
| 12:00.19 | MangosDebian | dvd1 all you need. but the less popular stuff goes on the other 2 dvd's |
| 12:00.19 | k31th | on debian 4.0 do i need to type linux26 any more? |
| 12:00.24 | liable | no |
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| 12:00.31 | oush | So i can install with DVD1? |
| 12:00.36 | MangosDebian | yes |
| 12:00.47 | oush | okey dokey thanks |
| 12:00.52 | oush | also does Debian support steam? |
| 12:00.52 | oush | :P |
| 12:01.02 | MangosDebian | i believe they sort the cd/dvd's according to popularity contest results |
| 12:01.24 | Penix | !penixstrike popularity-contest |
| 12:01.25 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking popularity-contest to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 12:01.46 | MangosDebian | Penix: lol, whats a Penix anyways? :) |
| 12:02.09 | liable | !make penix cry |
| 12:02.09 | dpkg | Penix: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/speed.txt |
| 12:02.09 | Penix | MangosDebian: /msg dpkg penix |
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| 12:02.18 | Penix | hah. let me see if I now top that |
| 12:02.29 | Penix | awww. not quite |
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| 12:04.32 | george_looney | €±² |
| 12:04.36 | george_looney | damn! |
| 12:04.41 | Penix | heh |
| 12:05.00 | p-a-venk | i inadvertantly deleted /var/lib/*. now gdm won't start, apt* won't work.. any way to recover? |
| 12:05.48 | spheard | p-a-venk: wow |
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| 12:06.03 | Internat | sure |
| 12:06.11 | Internat | recover from the backups that you should have ;) |
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| 12:07.16 | liable | how does one inadvertantly do that? |
| 12:07.17 | Penix | I still don't do backups even though I just got through recovering from my main desktop drive dying |
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| 12:07.20 | Penix | I'm so tough |
| 12:07.41 | spheard | speaking of backups. whats the gig with keeping a live backup? |
| 12:07.48 | dvs | Penix: gutton for punishment |
| 12:07.53 | Penix | spheard: it's called raid |
| 12:08.08 | Penix | dvs: livin' on the edge! :) |
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| 12:08.24 | spheard | I mean a seperate machine, with a software carbon copy of the origional |
| 12:09.00 | Penix | spheard: you could probably use lvm snapshots and transfer them over, but you'd be consuming a fair amount of resources |
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| 12:09.14 | Penix | spheard: or rsync individual files/directories |
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| 12:09.39 | liable | or just use one of the many backup programs. |
| 12:10.02 | war | Penix: RAID is no replacement for backups |
| 12:11.00 | Penix | very true, but it can be used in such a way |
| 12:11.25 | MangosDebian | RAID is the "seatbelt" of backups |
| 12:11.29 | george_looney | What happens if you get Nuked!!? |
| 12:11.38 | george_looney | Will RAID be good? |
| 12:11.44 | erik | I have ETCH installed and want to watch television. I have this Pinnacle Systems TV card. Which package should I install ? |
| 12:11.53 | metalkitty | what's wrong with my apt-get if I cant get some of the vary available packages ... like moodin gtk-qt-engine etc... http://paste.debian.net/31752 |
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| 12:11.56 | Internat | erik: tv time |
| 12:12.39 | ktwilight_ | metalkitty, what's the error message? |
| 12:13.07 | metalkitty | ktwilight_, E: Couldn't find package moodin |
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| 12:14.14 | ktwilight_ | maybe it doesn't exist in the official repo? |
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| 12:14.31 | metalkitty | ktwilight_, possible which one should I add then ... |
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| 12:15.00 | metalkitty | blah |
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| 12:16.50 | pimp31415 | what is the package that kills that lil popup when starting gnome from gdm that tells about all the things being initiated? |
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| 12:18.10 | Enverex | That's weird. Everyone says how bad the ATi drivers are and not many people use them as they use nVidia or Intel stuff, but the ATi drivers are updates in Sid more often than nVidia's... |
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| 12:18.30 | Shachar | question: What is the difference between "linux-image-2.6-xen-686" and "linux-image-2.6-xen-vserver-686"? Which one do I need in order to run Dom0? |
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| 12:18.52 | liable | yes, they are releasing them almost monthly, but they dont actually fix anything or add new features... |
| 12:18.57 | Penix | Enverex: that doesn't mean they're high quality though |
| 12:19.10 | aronofsky | hi, i try to configure ldap over ssl, and i wonder, my suffix is "o=company", what sould I use then as "common name" when I generate my certificate to have it working ? ( sorry btw, i know its a question for #ldap but anyone answer in there ... ) |
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| 12:19.34 | Enverex | Penix, No, I mean nVidia has drivers out for ages before someone makes Debian packages. The ATi ones get packaged far faster. |
| 12:19.49 | Penix | Enverex: ah. just up to the maintainer I guess |
| 12:20.05 | Penix | Enverex: team vs. individual etc. |
| 12:20.13 | pzn | How to use /dev/dsp from inside a c program? what should I do to configure it to 8ksample/16bits/1channel before sending sound data to it? any hint? |
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| 12:20.23 | Penix | not sure if there are any ati/nvidia packaging teams... |
| 12:20.24 | syed_nawaz | hello |
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| 12:20.55 | syed_nawaz | i would like to know how to configure a ethernet card in debian etch |
| 12:21.53 | syed_nawaz | i can see 3 ethernet cards in my system using the command lspci | grep -i eth |
| 12:21.53 | syed_nawaz | but then i dont know to to confiure the eth1 and eth2 |
| 12:21.53 | pimp31415 | Enverex, constant updates != good support :P |
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| 12:22.03 | pimp31415 | Enverex, constant updates != good support :P |
| 12:22.15 | pzn | syed_nawaz, run "ip link list" and see if they are listed as eth1 eth2... |
| 12:22.19 | Enverex | pimp31415, The maintainers really don't have to do much other than package the driver, they dont give support |
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| 12:22.26 | Penix | syed_nawaz: '/msg dpkg interfaces' might help |
| 12:22.56 | pzn | syed_nawaz, then go to /etc/network/interfaces and copy the section from "eth0" to the other cards. |
| 12:23.02 | Penix | syed_nawaz: more specifcally, the example file |
| 12:23.07 | Penix | bleh |
| 12:23.13 | pimp31415 | Enverex, by support i mean worx well |
| 12:23.20 | pimp31415 | i mean has all features |
| 12:23.21 | pimp31415 | etc |
| 12:23.33 | pzn | syed_nawaz, or "man interfaces". to bring up/down the card, use "ifup eth1", "ifdown eth1". that is all. |
| 12:23.39 | syed_nawaz | pzn: i ran the commmand ip link list and it denotes the eth1 and eth2 as well |
| 12:23.42 | Enverex | pimp31415, Again, irrelivant. |
| 12:23.46 | pimp31415 | its what happens when closed source hardware/software hits an open source os |
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| 12:23.52 | pimp31415 | not irrelivant at all |
| 12:24.00 | Enverex | pimp31415, There's generally no reason not to upgrade drivers unless they are known to break something |
| 12:24.03 | pimp31415 | nvidia works pretty well adn they are decent at coding their stuff for nix |
| 12:24.22 | pimp31415 | not so Enverex perhaps they added in a few new things or fixed a bug or two |
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| 12:24.32 | pimp31415 | dunno.. what is in the changelog? |
| 12:24.45 | Enverex | Thats my point, you were arguing AGAINST updating |
| 12:25.05 | solar_sea | can you tell me some international mirror, as my local (bulgarian ones) doesn't seem to have libgtk2.0-dev and the gcc-4.2 base |
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| 12:25.49 | liable | solar_sea: why would you think that another mirror would have it when yours doesnt? |
| 12:25.52 | solar_sea | [i'm using lenny/sid, i386] |
| 12:26.17 | solar_sea | because they might have not syncronised, otherwise this means the package is broke |
| 12:26.21 | solar_sea | broken* |
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| 12:26.44 | solar_sea | All i did was apt-get install gtk-qt-engine and it failed on most of the files |
| 12:27.03 | liable | !mirrors |
| 12:27.03 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 12:27.14 | solar_sea | thanks |
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| 12:29.33 | pimp31415 | Enverex, no i wasnt |
| 12:29.36 | pimp31415 | i swear! ;) |
| 12:29.57 | syed_nawaz | pzn, even after adding the entries in /etc/network/interfaces the network connection is not up |
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| 12:30.01 | pimp31415 | i was just saying that just because the driver has been updated does not mean that the support is great for the hardware - |
| 12:30.08 | endra | hey |
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| 12:30.21 | nn | has anyone managed to get vsync on with fglrx? |
| 12:30.23 | liable | syed_nawaz: and you ran ifup after? |
| 12:30.23 | nn | the driver seems to ignore the options in xorg.conf as well as drirc for me |
| 12:30.24 | pimp31415 | meaning that some rather large bugs may not have been solved and the updates are rather fixing smaller bugs or so |
| 12:30.27 | endra | im having an issue getting ad-hoc networking to work (wireless) between my computer and my laptop (debian, both) |
| 12:30.30 | pimp31415 | mybad for not being clearer |
| 12:30.49 | cast | endra: have you checked if the neighbours were using it |
| 12:30.54 | endra | the issue for ad-hoc is that they see each other, but they don't give each other ips (dhcp fails) |
| 12:31.06 | Enverex | pimp31415, I never said support for their stuff was good |
| 12:31.07 | syed_nawaz | liable, i have given ifup |
| 12:31.13 | endra | cast: uh, not sure.. dont think they are |
| 12:31.28 | Enverex | ALL I said was that it's odd that the maintainers package up the ATi drivers considerably faster than the nVidia drivers |
| 12:31.32 | liable | endra: you need to set them manually |
| 12:31.33 | endra | cast: its ad-hoc with a key, so.. i just set it up and connect immediatly, but they dont give each other ips.. |
| 12:31.37 | syed_nawaz | when i am restarting the network using the command /etc/init.d/netwrok restart |
| 12:31.40 | endra | liable: oh, how do I do that with iwconfig |
| 12:31.45 | liable | endra: and a route as well |
| 12:31.55 | syed_nawaz | the eth0 which was connected is also going down |
| 12:31.56 | liable | endra: with ifconfig, and route |
| 12:32.01 | endra | liable: do you have a tutorial |
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| 12:32.11 | pzn | did you exec "ifup eth1"? does "ifconfig" shows eth1? |
| 12:32.13 | liable | endra: nope |
| 12:32.20 | pzn | syed_nawaz, did you exec "ifup eth1"? does "ifconfig" shows eth1? |
| 12:32.23 | erik | internat: about tvtime: indeed works not, but the audio..... haven't got any: silent movie :-) |
| 12:32.35 | endra | liable: ok thanks |
| 12:32.36 | erik | internat: not = now |
| 12:32.46 | syed_nawaz | yes, now ifconfig shows eth1 |
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| 12:32.59 | syed_nawaz | pzn, but then my eth0 is down now |
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| 12:34.55 | pzn | syed_nawaz, was your eth0 up before? |
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| 12:35.49 | pzn | syed_nawaz, it does not make sense... did you add more lines in /etc/network/interfaces for eth1, or did you replace the lines of eth0 to eth1? |
| 12:36.35 | syed_nawaz | pzn: i have added lines for eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:36.49 | syed_nawaz | pzn: my eth0 was up earlier |
| 12:37.21 | asg | syed_nawaz: you probably have default gateways set for both; one overrides the other. |
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| 12:37.34 | pimp31415 | Enverex, thats all i was pointing out |
| 12:37.35 | pimp31415 | :> |
| 12:38.03 | pimp31415 | <Enverex> That's weird. Everyone says how bad the ATi drivers are and not many people use them as they use nVidia or Intel stuff, but the ATi drivers are updates in Sid more often than nVidia's... <<--- my reaction to that was the hardware support still sux |
| 12:38.15 | pimp31415 | it just took us collectively 5billion lines to say it |
| 12:38.19 | pimp31415 | kinda like windows |
| 12:38.19 | pzn | syed_nawaz, asg is right. only one interface can have a gateway. |
| 12:38.20 | pimp31415 | or ati |
| 12:38.22 | pimp31415 | :> |
| 12:38.32 | syed_nawaz | asg: the default gateway is set up for eth0 and not for eth1 |
| 12:38.35 | Enverex | pimp31415, I know, I said it was odd that considering fewer people use the stuff it's surprising the drivers get packaged faste |
| 12:38.44 | pimp31415 | mm ah |
| 12:38.48 | pimp31415 | agreed |
| 12:39.23 | syed_nawaz | pzn: the problem is solved |
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| 12:39.36 | syed_nawaz | pzn: I have done ifup eth0 |
| 12:39.54 | syed_nawaz | pzn and now both the interfaces are up |
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| 12:40.30 | syed_nawaz | pzn:let me restart the system and check if the devices comes up again |
| 12:40.31 | pimp31415 | pzn, interesting tho |
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| 12:41.09 | devfd0 | hi who can help me with installing nvidia 5700 driver on debian |
| 12:41.10 | pimp31415 | on the gateways/// the cards can have different networks obviously - but that default gateway is for the system? it sends traffic through that card by default or something? |
| 12:41.18 | pimp31415 | !nvidia |
| 12:41.18 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 12:41.21 | devfd0 | i got strage display after iinstalling this driver |
| 12:41.28 | pimp31415 | o? |
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| 12:41.39 | syed_nawaz | pzn: now when i restart the network only eth1 is up and eth0 is not up |
| 12:41.44 | erik | I installed TVTIME for watching tv from my Pinnacle Systems tvcard, but I have no sound. TV is ok, channels is ok... suggestions ? I can play music from RhythmBox... |
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| 12:41.56 | pimp31415 | syed_nawaz, are they both set to auto ? |
| 12:42.10 | pimp31415 | arg brb |
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| 12:43.44 | syed_nawaz | pimp31415: allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 12:43.53 | syed_nawaz | pimp3145: auto eth1 |
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| 12:46.40 | jzxu | I'm using a standard etch kernel 2.6.18-4-686, when I try to modprobe acpi_freq, I get a "No such device" error. Any ideas? |
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| 12:47.51 | liable | jzxu: what processor? |
| 12:47.57 | wols | jzxu: what hardware? |
| 12:48.39 | jzxu | I'm running on a thinkpad t61 with a intel core 2 duo 7500 processor |
| 12:48.56 | liable | ooh |
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| 12:49.20 | alesan | hi, I am compiling svn version of libgphoto. I get this error: libgphoto2 requires libltdl (the libtool dl* library), |
| 12:49.25 | alesan | which package should I install? |
| 12:49.31 | liable | try speedstep-centrino |
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| 12:50.33 | pzn | syed_nawaz, try "auto" for both |
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| 12:50.44 | wols | alesan: /msg dpkg search |
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| 12:51.08 | jzxu | liable: okay, that installed fine, how do I tell if it's working? |
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| 12:51.25 | Badran | alesan: try 'apt-get apt-get build-dep libgphoto' |
| 12:51.28 | liable | jzxu: what exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 12:51.31 | alesan | wols, let me see if I have guessed well |
| 12:51.42 | alesan | Badran, I have already made that. |
| 12:51.48 | Sherman | hello :) |
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| 12:52.21 | jzxu | liable: nevermind, I see /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq now, so I guess it's working |
| 12:52.49 | jzxu | liable: I'm just trying to conserve some energy while running on batteries |
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| 12:53.28 | liable | jzxu: i like the ondemand or conservative governors, though its been some time since i really looked into that sort of thing |
| 12:53.46 | jzxu | liable: I just modprobe the appropriate modules right? |
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| 12:54.05 | liable | cpufreq-ondemand |
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| 12:55.02 | jzxu | liable: seems to be working, thanks |
| 12:55.09 | Sherman | hello :) |
| 12:55.28 | liable | !great Sherman |
| 12:55.34 | liable | !greet Sherman |
| 12:55.34 | dpkg | Bonjour, Sherman |
| 12:55.43 | liable | stupid fingers |
| 12:55.54 | asg | !finger liable |
| 12:56.05 | liable | %bear asg |
| 12:56.07 | Sherman | can someone help me pls |
| 12:56.35 | liable | not if you dont describe a problem |
| 12:57.14 | Sherman | okay its easy for americans ^^ so i need a american forum, the theme is not important, just a big forum, where enough people visit they |
| 12:57.25 | dimir | badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom! |
| 12:57.29 | liable | huh? |
| 12:57.42 | asg | Sherman: phpbb2 |
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| 12:57.47 | Sherman | what? |
| 12:57.58 | dimir | Holes included! |
| 12:58.00 | liable | !badger dimir |
| 12:58.00 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 12:58.05 | liable | bleh |
| 12:58.12 | syed_nawaz | pzn: i have put auto for both the cards and it works fine now |
| 12:58.12 | liable | !badgersmite dimir |
| 12:58.19 | liable | bugger |
| 12:58.19 | syed_nawaz | pzn: thanks |
| 12:58.27 | dimir | heh |
| 12:58.27 | liable | where did that factoid go |
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| 12:58.46 | dimir | shortcut commands bot? :-P |
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| 12:58.59 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 12:59.08 | Sherman | some know these forums? |
| 12:59.09 | dimir | Hoi |
| 12:59.20 | liable | Sherman: explain yourself again |
| 12:59.29 | asg | Sherman: forums for what? |
| 12:59.29 | liable | you didnt make any sense the first time |
| 12:59.33 | Sherman | okay im sry for my english ^^ |
| 12:59.58 | Sherman | i explain my plan |
| 13:00.04 | liable | is ^^ some little icon in a gui client? |
| 13:00.27 | wfq | I am trying to install libgd2 and I have got debian etch sources but I got a message error like Package libgd2 is not available |
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| 13:00.41 | Sherman | my girlfriend need a forum, to ask people something ... its a school project so she asks europes americans asians.... |
| 13:00.49 | asg | wfq: apt-cache search libgd2 |
| 13:00.51 | qiyong | how to cp node? |
| 13:00.55 | wfq | do you know if they are not available yet? |
| 13:01.01 | pzn | syed_nawaz, you are welcome |
| 13:01.08 | asg | Sherman: google for one on the topic you wish. Why are you asking here? |
| 13:01.12 | wfq | asg, I have seen then by apt-cache but I can install it |
| 13:01.22 | asg | wfq: it's not called libgd2 though is it |
| 13:01.40 | Sherman | i have google but i only found german results |
| 13:02.01 | wfq | yes |
| 13:02.02 | asg | Sherman: then change your locale from german to english and try again. |
| 13:02.02 | wfq | it is not |
| 13:02.14 | wfq | you allright |
| 13:02.16 | asg | wfq: the install the -xpm or -noxpm version |
| 13:02.20 | asg | *then |
| 13:02.30 | Sherman | ah okay i will do it, thank u so much |
| 13:02.49 | erik | I installed TVTIME for watching tv from my Pinnacle Systems tvcard, but I have no sound. TV is ok, channels is ok... suggestions ? I can play music from RhythmBox... |
| 13:04.36 | wfq | asg, what is the difference? |
| 13:04.57 | wfq | xpm is a support picture? |
| 13:05.01 | asg | wfq: one has xpm support, one doesn't. apt-cache show libgd2-noxpm ; apt-cache show libgd2-xpm |
| 13:05.24 | dvs | erik: You probably need to fool around with you mixer settings. |
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| 13:07.18 | x_link | Hi |
| 13:07.29 | liable | erik: whats the chipset in it? |
| 13:07.31 | x_link | I need some help, but I don't know if I'm in the right channel to ask this question. |
| 13:07.48 | x_link | I need to open port 80 in Firestarter (my firewall). |
| 13:07.52 | qiyong | how to know if grub is install on hda or not? |
| 13:07.56 | x_link | But I don't know how, it's a GUI program. |
| 13:08.01 | x_link | Can somebody please help me with this? |
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| 13:08.10 | fasta | Can anyone recommend a browser that doesn't crash more than once every 3 months and still is somewhat "modern"(whatever than means)? Firefox and Konqueror both don't have this property. |
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| 13:09.23 | confrey | hi everrybody |
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| 13:10.47 | wols | fasta: if you want a "modern" browser geck and khtml is all there is |
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| 13:12.02 | fasta | Ok, is there any way I can get a Konqueror with debugging symbols? |
| 13:12.15 | snowgirl | My php files are offered for download. Anybody an idea wht to check? |
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| 13:12.23 | asg | fasta: epiphany might also be worth a look |
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| 13:12.58 | fasta | asg: I don't see why epiphany would be more stable than Firefox. |
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| 13:13.12 | asg | snowgirl: check that your webserver has support for php and that .php files are registered correctly to PHP |
| 13:13.15 | fasta | asg: or Iceweasel* |
| 13:13.27 | eifzon | How do i upgrade my wine version: 0.9.25 to 0.9.40 ? |
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| 13:14.07 | snowgirl | asg i did apt-get install php5 |
| 13:14.21 | asg | snowgirl: and did you install libapache*-mod-php5 also? |
| 13:14.23 | snowgirl | there is missing the mod_php5.c |
| 13:14.27 | wols | snowgirl: that is not what you want. libapach2-mod-php5 is |
| 13:14.42 | snowgirl | > libapache2-mod-php5 is already the newest version. |
| 13:14.59 | wols | then check apache2 config files as asg said |
| 13:15.10 | asg | fasta: while it might use the same rendering engine, there are other reasons iceweasel can crash. YMMV |
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| 13:16.12 | asg | snowgirl: also, restart apache and make sure to clear your browser cache (the latter often trips people up and causes frustration) |
| 13:16.43 | fasta | asg: I was thinking of switching to Opera, but it doesn't support adblocking like the Adblock extension does, but stability wise I would pick that one. |
| 13:16.51 | snowgirl | yeah but i cannot fiond the mod_php5.c file, even if I did updatedb before |
| 13:17.19 | asg | fasta: if you instist on using Opera, for whatever reason, point it to a squid proxy or other proxy that will do the add blocking for you. |
| 13:17.25 | liable | yes, and opera doesnt segfault at all |
| 13:17.28 | snowgirl | locate mod_php5.c doesn't find anything |
| 13:17.40 | wols | snowgirl: why would it be a c file |
| 13:17.43 | poncha | guys, what is format of LC_TIME ? ps manual says it obeys this variable for date format, but whatever i put in it , ps returns same time format ... and i want it to return ISO timestamp.. |
| 13:17.44 | asg | snowgirl: iirc, there won't be a .c file |
| 13:17.55 | asg | snowgirl: .so but not .c |
| 13:18.05 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 13:18.12 | snowgirl | locate mod_php5 doesn't find anything |
| 13:18.19 | fasta | asg: I was perfectly happy with Firefox 1.5, but after 2.0 it crashed way too often. |
| 13:18.19 | wols | asg: no |
| 13:18.23 | wols | libphp5.so |
| 13:18.23 | asg | snowgirl: it's called just php5.so iirc |
| 13:18.31 | fasta | asg: what is a squid proxy? |
| 13:18.43 | snowgirl | there is /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so |
| 13:18.48 | asg | fasta: apt-cache show squid |
| 13:18.52 | wols | fasta: a http proxy. but for you, I'd rather use privoxy |
| 13:18.55 | confrey | I have just installed etch, and gdm is not working well, it displays a lot of empty squares |
| 13:19.14 | wols | confrey: bad fonts |
| 13:19.23 | wols | snowgirl: I told you to check your apach2 config |
| 13:19.28 | poncha | snowgirl: look for libphp5.so |
| 13:19.33 | confrey | wols : and what font have I to install? |
| 13:19.39 | poncha | snowgirl: yeah thats the one :) |
| 13:20.02 | wols | confrey: depends on your locale but xfonts-base should work fine |
| 13:20.14 | snowgirl | seems to work |
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| 13:20.28 | snowgirl | database connection failed. but okay. know i can work with it |
| 13:20.33 | snowgirl | thanks |
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| 13:21.34 | fasta | wols: I don't think Privoxy can filter GMail ads. |
| 13:21.55 | confrey | wols, xfonts-bae is installed, and my locale is it_IT |
| 13:22.41 | confrey | but I have problems : foe example, I'm in xchat, and I can see text rows differing in height |
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| 13:23.23 | wols | fasta: and why not? |
| 13:23.43 | Absolute0 | is it a bad idea to change from etch to lenny? |
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| 13:23.51 | Scurz | Absolute0: no |
| 13:23.55 | Scurz | Absolute0: you can |
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| 13:23.59 | Absolute0 | when will lenny become stable? |
| 13:24.09 | Scurz | not now :-) |
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| 13:24.10 | wols | confrey: if you see some empty rectangles instead of letters this usually happens if the program's font doesn't have those letters |
| 13:24.16 | wols | Absolute0: WIR |
| 13:24.26 | Absolute0 | what does WIR mean? |
| 13:24.27 | fasta | wols: because the ads come from some domain that cannot be filtered by simple regular expressions. |
| 13:24.43 | wols | fasta: then how does adblock do it? |
| 13:24.46 | confrey | wols, I see only empty rectangles |
| 13:24.48 | fasta | wols: the DOM tree needs to be adjusted, AFAIK, but I only have limited knowledge of course. |
| 13:25.14 | fasta | wols: This is CustomizeGoogle which does this, btw. |
| 13:25.16 | wols | fasta: all that adblock does is blogging regex specified URLS |
| 13:25.21 | wols | adblock does too |
| 13:25.55 | fasta | wols: Ok, so, I can replace adblock with provoxy, but then GMail still has ads. |
| 13:26.15 | wols | whhat is the URL of that ad? |
| 13:26.16 | Absolute0 | how do i remove a pkg and everything else that came with it? apt-get remove only removes the specified pkg i want to remove all the extra stuff it installed as well... |
| 13:26.29 | wols | Absolute0: learn to use aptitude |
| 13:26.42 | asg | fasta: it has ads because that's how they are able to give you 2G of mail storage for free. Why are you filtering them out? If ads bother you, why not run your own webmail server. |
| 13:26.57 | Absolute0 | wols: is that suggestion supposed to help me?? |
| 13:27.04 | fasta | asg: Because my machine is not always on. |
| 13:27.06 | wols | Absolute0: yes it is |
| 13:27.07 | Enverex | asg, Unless he ever clicks any of them then it doesn't matter anyway |
| 13:27.08 | Absolute0 | my question was precisely to learn how to use apt-get! |
| 13:27.08 | snowgirl | I don't know why, but apt-get install did enter this mod_php5.c |
| 13:27.18 | Absolute0 | all i see in man apt-get is remove |
| 13:27.23 | wols | snowgirl: why would it? |
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| 13:27.28 | Absolute0 | what other option can i use to uninstall? |
| 13:27.41 | wols | Absolute0: I did not talk about apt-get. I talked about aptitude |
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| 13:27.58 | Absolute0 | ohh |
| 13:27.59 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 13:28.01 | Absolute0 | sorry |
| 13:28.18 | wols | "remove" is the only uninstall option apt-get has (well there is --purge, but it doesn't do much different only further specifies the remove) |
| 13:28.18 | asg | Enverex: seeing them is enough to plant the seed whether he clicks them or not |
| 13:28.41 | wols | Absolute0: however aptitude won't hlpe you with your current problem. it's only for the future |
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| 13:29.02 | wols | asg: google isn't paid by plating the need. they are paid by clicks |
| 13:29.06 | Enverex | asg, Sorry but I'm not going to subscribe to your capitalist view. Ads are littered everywhere all over the world now, apparently that's their "right". It's my right to filter them out however I like. |
| 13:29.09 | wols | and every need planter is wasted traffic for google |
| 13:29.17 | asg | fasta: do you have an always on cable/dsl connection? If so, but a NSLU2 ($80) to run Debian and your own webmail service. |
| 13:29.46 | Absolute0 | wols: so theres no way to remove subpkgs of a pkg? |
| 13:29.51 | fasta | asg: I have an always on connection, yes. |
| 13:30.02 | fasta | asg: NSLU2? |
| 13:30.04 | asg | Enverex: they aren't my views, they are just facts of their business model. |
| 13:30.06 | wols | there are debfoster and deborphan. incomplete solutions tho |
| 13:30.25 | wols | asg: they are not facts of google's business model |
| 13:30.38 | asg | fasta: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/install.html |
| 13:30.39 | wols | cause google doesn't get paid for platning the need |
| 13:31.52 | maher | how do i find out which font emacs is using? |
| 13:32.47 | Arafangion | maher: #emacs |
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| 13:33.35 | erik | liable: sorry, was downstairs having coffee. Have no Idea.... |
| 13:33.40 | snowgirl | where can i find my mysql databases (for backup) |
| 13:34.25 | xand | use mysqldump to back them up |
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| 13:34.27 | jm|home | hello :) |
| 13:34.45 | fasta | asg: ok, that sounds like a solution too, still suitable software would work regardless on what network I am. |
| 13:34.50 | jm|home | I have something that is accessing the disk every five seconds and making it tick - what application will tell me what is accessing the drive at a particular time? |
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| 13:35.05 | fasta | asg: never mind |
| 13:35.08 | jm|home | I tried atop - it shows the activity but not what is causing it |
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| 13:35.16 | maher | jm|home: a journallling file system such as ext3 will do this |
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| 13:35.25 | Enverex | fasta, If Google's adds are on a different domain or subdomain (ads.google.com) then you could put that in your hosts file |
| 13:35.27 | jm|home | maher: I'm using ext3 |
| 13:35.34 | jm|home | that simple, huh |
| 13:35.37 | jm|home | the ticking is driving me nuts! |
| 13:35.38 | fasta | Enverex: they aren't |
| 13:35.39 | Arafangion | jm|home: Buy a better HD. |
| 13:35.47 | jm|home | Arafangion: lol - it's a Mac Mini |
| 13:35.52 | liable | mount with noatime |
| 13:35.54 | snowgirl | xand mysqldump --all-databases > mysqlback ? |
| 13:35.58 | fasta | jm|home: you can change that time. man mount |
| 13:36.04 | jm|home | cool - I'll read up |
| 13:36.10 | maher | jm|home: you can change the 5sec default - possibly with tune2fs... this is not recommended |
| 13:36.20 | jm|home | hmm |
| 13:36.32 | xand | snowgirl: yes |
| 13:36.38 | jm|home | maher: because I can end up with corruption if system is reset etc. ? |
| 13:36.41 | maher | jm|home: my mac mini's don't make much noise... |
| 13:36.45 | Arafangion | jm|home: I'd probably get it to use ext2 instead, and make sure you back it up daily. |
| 13:36.57 | maher | jm|home: yes |
| 13:37.01 | Arafangion | jm|home: Especially since if the ticking is loud, it's probably on its way out. |
| 13:37.02 | jm|home | maybe it's because it's sat on a box ... |
| 13:37.14 | jm|home | Arafangion: agh! It's only ~6mths old :( |
| 13:37.27 | Arafangion | jm|home: Sometimes they only last that long. |
| 13:37.34 | jm|home | it's not loud - but noticeable as it's the only thing that's "on" in the living room atm |
| 13:37.39 | Nyle | ata4.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0 | ata4.00: tag 0 cmd 0xc8 Emask 0x20 stat 0x51 err 0x84 (host bus error) | I get a few errors like these when I mount my /home which is /deb/sdb2 which I moved from another pc to this one. The drive works fine as well as RW is fine. But I see these errors, does it mean I have a bad disk? |
| 13:37.47 | Arafangion | jm|home: Well, I'm deaf, maybe you just have very good hearing. |
| 13:37.52 | jm|home | fasta: no atime is dangerous, right? |
| 13:37.59 | poncha | how can i make date ouput time in ISO format without specifying +format ? [i.e. how can i set default output format] ? |
| 13:38.13 | Arafangion | poncha: I'd make an alias. |
| 13:38.22 | fasta | jm|home: yes |
| 13:38.32 | Arafangion | poncha: Stick the alias to the end of your .bashrc |
| 13:38.40 | fasta | jm|home: but I have no idea how dangerous |
| 13:38.49 | poncha | Arafangion: i actually need to alter date format that ps outputs, but it looks like it uses same settings |
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| 13:39.08 | poncha | Arafangion: only ps does not accept +format for specifying date format |
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| 13:39.33 | Arafangion | poncha: I don't know, sorry. If you were typing it out by hand, then I'd use alias. |
| 13:39.48 | Nyle | hello? |
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| 13:40.08 | Nyle | help me please there people |
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| 13:40.56 | jm|home | so |
| 13:41.04 | Nyle | so what? |
| 13:41.14 | jm|home | it was seated on a leather covered box, which was quite empty |
| 13:41.19 | Nyle | ata4.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0 | ata4.00: tag 0 cmd 0xc8 Emask 0x20 stat 0x51 err 0x84 (host bus error) | I get a few errors like these when I mount my /home which is /deb/sdb2 which I moved from another pc to this one. The drive works fine as well as RW is fine. But I see these errors, does it mean I have a bad disk? |
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| 13:41.22 | jm|home | seems the 'click' was being somewhat amplified |
| 13:41.25 | Nyle | is the line too long? |
| 13:41.32 | Nyle | do I have a bad disk? |
| 13:41.34 | jm|home | now it's on a chipboard shelf on its rubber base I can't hear it :) |
| 13:41.36 | jm|home | hooray |
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| 13:42.01 | Arafangion | jm|home: For finding a simple solution, you are guarnateed not to be a real engineer. |
| 13:42.07 | Nyle | hey man |
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| 13:42.13 | jm|home | fasta, maher, Arafangion, thanks for the tips! |
| 13:42.17 | maher | Nyle: probably - try smartmontools or whatever its called to ask the disk how it feels... |
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| 13:42.25 | Nyle | ok |
| 13:42.31 | jm|home | Arafangion: lol - I'd tried spinning it down using scsi-idle: that was an attempt! |
| 13:42.55 | Arafangion | jm|home: Using ext2 would've done a very good job. |
| 13:43.15 | jm|home | Arafangion: sure; but that server is pretty much how I like it and I didn't fancy dump/tarring it all up |
| 13:43.16 | Zoo | just redid system completely from messing with Mandriva Corporate Desktop 4, and gentoo, and I was like, theres no place like home |
| 13:43.45 | Zoo | is there any debian user, who is familar with source compiling? and not bad at it |
| 13:44.09 | branstrom_ | I'm getting sick of this: My router has had the power out for ten minutes and now my Debian server won't go by "Io" anymore (its hostname), apparently only because Samba went down, because when I restarted samba it worked again. How can I prevent this from happening again? |
| 13:44.36 | Arafangion | jm|home: Wouldn't have needed to. ext3 is compatible with ext2 |
| 13:44.50 | asg | Zoo: in Debianland, there is rarely a need to compile your own code. If you need to, make sure you get the relevant -dev packages for whatever libraries are needed and generally follow the README/INSTALL that comes in the tarball. |
| 13:44.59 | Arafangion | jm|home: Using ext2 would've just ignored the journal. |
| 13:45.07 | Zoo | well, reading alot more now :-) |
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| 13:46.12 | Zoo | ya want to know a big issue I had, just recently compiled.. compiz-fusion, all of it, but when I went to start the ccsm, it requird pygtk2.10 or higher, so I got the sources right, from pygtk, and then it needed pygobject.. so I got that, configured , make and make install, then something else was up with pygtk2.10 when I tried to configure that |
| 13:46.40 | Nyle | well smartd won't run |
| 13:46.55 | Nyle | smartmontools has no binaries that I can use to check anything with |
| 13:46.57 | Nyle | what do I do? |
| 13:47.05 | Zoo | I need to study, on putting all kinds of support for compiling source packages, I mean the works on development |
| 13:47.30 | Zoo | python, mono, gcc, etc |
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| 13:48.22 | Zoo | got all these books, I sure need to read em ;-) |
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| 13:49.18 | Nyle | anyone know the fastest mirror for new york city? |
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| 13:50.49 | Nyle | btw, I have the worst case of heartburn ever |
| 13:50.56 | Nyle | can anyone help with that? |
| 13:51.04 | asg | Nyle: Tagamet |
| 13:51.11 | Nyle | I tried to drink some pepto about an hour ago |
| 13:51.14 | Nyle | drank a mouthful |
| 13:51.22 | Nyle | about two tablespoons, tagamet? |
| 13:51.22 | Zoo | well, I"m going to read a bunch of books on debian thats for sure, I was reading some, but I' can be bad at reading.. :( |
| 13:51.31 | Zoo | just have to stay focus , |
| 13:51.35 | Nyle | focused |
| 13:51.45 | Zoo | yes, focused |
| 13:51.52 | Nyle | heartburn |
| 13:51.59 | Nyle | my entire insides are burning up |
| 13:52.05 | Zoo | now I"m going to see about tweaking out that package, to work for compiz-fusion |
| 13:52.12 | Nyle | feels like I could breath fire if i wanted to |
| 13:52.14 | asg | Nyle: go to your local drug store and get some Tagamet, it'll do the job unless you have diverticulitis or other esophagial issues and then you need a prescription for Asiphex. |
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| 13:52.21 | Zoo | oh and, the other day, I learned how to write a shell script, that was so cool |
| 13:52.36 | Nyle | asg: I ate too much right before I went to bed |
| 13:52.42 | Nyle | :( |
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| 13:52.55 | Zoo | sorry about your heartburn |
| 13:52.57 | Nyle | I had the munchies |
| 13:52.59 | Nyle | :( |
| 13:53.12 | nn | why does xserver-xorg depens on _all_ xserver-xorg-video-* drivers? has anyone used all drivers on a single machine so far? |
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| 13:53.13 | minus | Hi.. I need some help with my internet.. Around 5 am this morning, my internet just went down, I did "dhclient" "ifup/down" and nothing worked. So I rebooted 2 times and nothing worked. So I shut down my computer and went to bed, and yet again when i booted the internet didn't work. So i rebooted again after doing the "dhclient" and "ifup" thingy and all of a sudden it just worked.. Can anyone tell me what i should do? |
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| 13:53.42 | asg | minus: your ISP broke? |
| 13:53.47 | Zoo | the hardware, is going to utilize the driver it needs to work |
| 13:54.01 | Nyle | Zoo: are you a priest? |
| 13:54.04 | Zoo | nope |
| 13:54.08 | Zoo | u? |
| 13:54.11 | Nyle | why do you talk like one? |
| 13:54.12 | Zoo | lol @ u |
| 13:54.16 | minus | asg, dont think so.. This has happened before.. And i checked with my other computer and it had internet |
| 13:54.19 | Zoo | o_O |
| 13:54.27 | Nyle | don't squint your eyes at me |
| 13:54.32 | asg | minus: anything in the logs? |
| 13:54.47 | minus | asg, Where are these logs? *noob* |
| 13:54.52 | asg | minus: /var/log |
| 13:54.55 | minus | ok |
| 13:54.58 | minus | i'll see |
| 13:55.11 | Nyle | ata4.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0 | ata4.00: tag 0 cmd 0xc8 Emask 0x20 stat 0x51 err 0x84 (host bus error) | I get a few errors like these when I mount my /home which is /deb/sdb2 which I moved from another pc to this one. The drive works fine as well as RW is fine. But I see these errors, does it mean I have a bad disk? |
| 13:55.12 | asg | minus: start with syslog, then daemon.log, then kern.log |
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| 13:55.16 | Nyle | asg: ^^ |
| 13:55.26 | minus | asg, ok.. thc |
| 13:55.27 | Nyle | I installed smartmontools but smartd won't start |
| 13:55.28 | Nyle | it fails |
| 13:55.30 | Zoo | I have vmware workstation 6 to install |
| 13:55.36 | asg | Nyle: have you fsck'd it lately? |
| 13:55.42 | Nyle | its clean man |
| 13:55.57 | Zoo | been working with 5 for such a long time.. and had beta 6, just didnt' have the time to get to it, so , now with 6 stable, things are going to be nice.. |
| 13:56.01 | qiyong | anyone know some devices can be shown as both sda and hda? |
| 13:56.05 | asg | Nyle: you might try downing the box and re-seating the cables and cards (if the controller isn't onboard) |
| 13:56.14 | Nyle | asg: I did |
| 13:56.28 | minus | asg, what should i look for? |
| 13:56.30 | Nyle | ata4.00: tag 0 cmd 0x25 Emask 0x20 stat 0x51 err 0x84 (host bus error) |
| 13:56.38 | Nyle | I just got this |
| 13:56.54 | asg | minus: errors, interface issues. |
| 13:57.10 | ukgirl | ok |
| 13:57.24 | minus | omg! A girl!?!? |
| 13:57.30 | minus | ukgirl, are you a girl? :o |
| 13:57.32 | minus | xP |
| 13:57.33 | Nyle | you've never seen one before? |
| 13:57.43 | minus | Nope.. Not really |
| 13:57.47 | Nyle | they're everywhere man |
| 13:57.49 | asg | Nyle: never seen it but it sounds hardware related. |
| 13:57.51 | ukgirl | minus are u plus |
| 13:58.00 | Nyle | u |
| 13:58.01 | Nyle | hehe |
| 13:58.01 | minus | ukgirl, sometimes? |
| 13:58.08 | minus | ops |
| 13:58.12 | ukgirl | not me |
| 13:58.14 | minus | sometimes yes.. |
| 13:58.32 | ukgirl | then we can judge what sort of character u r |
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| 13:58.40 | Nyle | u r |
| 13:58.44 | Nyle | hahahaha |
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| 13:59.13 | Nyle | I am going to attempt to smoke some pot |
| 13:59.19 | Nyle | hopefully my heartburn will go away |
| 13:59.31 | ukgirl | take some milk nyle |
| 13:59.38 | Nyle | milk? |
| 13:59.39 | ukgirl | or yoghurt |
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| 13:59.47 | Nyle | never heard of that |
| 13:59.52 | ukgirl | its gud for heartburn |
| 13:59.57 | Nyle | i hjave plain whit yogurt and milk |
| 14:00.04 | ukgirl | ok |
| 14:00.05 | Nyle | really? |
| 14:00.07 | ukgirl | yeh |
| 14:00.17 | Nyle | thank god for a woman in #debian |
| 14:00.32 | ukgirl | he he |
| 14:00.36 | Nyle | these guys told me to go get meds from pharmacy |
| 14:00.48 | Thursley | chewing on grass should help to |
| 14:00.51 | ukgirl | i am a doc too |
| 14:01.10 | ukgirl | grass is for cows and thursley |
| 14:01.17 | Nyle | yeh my gf is in med school too |
| 14:01.20 | Thursley | well yes |
| 14:01.21 | ukgirl | where |
| 14:01.25 | Thursley | but who makes milk!? |
| 14:01.26 | minus | asg, http://pastebin.ca/598611 |
| 14:01.29 | ukgirl | u? |
| 14:01.29 | Thursley | there! ha ! |
| 14:01.34 | Nyle | Bekai school od medicine in karachi pakistan |
| 14:01.36 | Thursley | d'oh : / |
| 14:01.40 | ukgirl | øKå¥ |
| 14:01.44 | Nyle | one of the biggest med schools |
| 14:01.47 | Nyle | its good stuff |
| 14:01.51 | ukgirl | i c |
| 14:01.52 | Nyle | oh man milk kicks as |
| 14:01.55 | Nyle | !got milk |
| 14:01.55 | dpkg | i heard got milk is Fuck milk, got Debian?! |
| 14:02.05 | ukgirl | see here nyle |
| 14:02.10 | Nyle | yo |
| 14:02.14 | ukgirl | http://www.mcqsurgery.com |
| 14:02.24 | xand | wtf is going on here |
| 14:02.25 | Nyle | im in cli atm |
| 14:02.29 | Nyle | dpkg is busy with stuff |
| 14:02.32 | Nyle | no browser |
| 14:02.37 | ukgirl | u would know |
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| 14:02.42 | sleek | okay folks |
| 14:02.45 | sleek | another problem |
| 14:03.00 | Nyle | I think i'm supposed to work today |
| 14:03.00 | sleek | my wifi wont work.. |
| 14:03.03 | Nyle | brb, smoke time |
| 14:03.08 | asg | minus: you are running dhcpcd on a machine that is also a client of itself? |
| 14:03.23 | sleek | I don't have any AP around, so I am testing with a windows machine running AdHoc mode |
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| 14:03.43 | sleek | iwconfig eth2 up |
| 14:03.49 | sleek | iwconfig eth2 mode Ad-Hoc |
| 14:03.50 | Nyle | oh man |
| 14:03.54 | Nyle | I can feel a burp coming |
| 14:04.01 | Nyle | soon as I can burp I should feel alright |
| 14:04.07 | minus | asg, I hve no idea.. I havn't changed any network thingys since i installed the machine a week ago.. |
| 14:04.10 | robin_sz | Nyle, do you have a question related to Debian? |
| 14:04.20 | Nyle | yes |
| 14:04.42 | robin_sz | well, ask it then |
| 14:04.44 | Nyle | I have many questions |
| 14:04.48 | Nyle | not right now, maybe later |
| 14:04.58 | robin_sz | well shut the fuck up then |
| 14:05.02 | sleek | I need help here :) |
| 14:05.08 | Nyle | well you're rude |
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| 14:05.24 | asg | minus: still, are you running your own dhcp server or is your ISP providing it? |
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| 14:05.40 | minus | my ISP |
| 14:05.51 | robin_sz | Nyle, if you want to chat, try #debian-chat |
| 14:05.57 | Nyle | asg: it seems like a hw problem... all the scans I ran were fine. Host bus error means what exactly/ |
| 14:06.03 | Nyle | robin_sz: blow me. |
| 14:06.31 | asg | stoned: host bus is generally the IDE/SCSI controller. |
| 14:06.37 | stoned | hmm |
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| 14:06.48 | stoned | I did take this 500gb disk from an older pc and put it in this new pc |
| 14:06.53 | minus | stoned, can I buy some of that "make me stoned substans" from you? |
| 14:06.54 | minus | xP |
| 14:06.57 | stoned | the cables are plugged in all the way and fine |
| 14:07.10 | stoned | minus: you gonna get me yelled at, shush |
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| 14:07.27 | asg | minus: it's hard to say bit if you have another machine on your network besides the ISP dhcp server, they could be in contention. Also, it appears that NetworkManager is contending with another dhclient process. |
| 14:07.29 | stoned | asg: what about lost interrupt? |
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| 14:08.09 | minus | asg, and that means in the noobielanguage? |
| 14:08.13 | minus | :P |
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| 14:08.38 | suppaman | hello |
| 14:08.48 | stoned | you know my heartburn feels loads better now |
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| 14:09.26 | stoned | yippy, I get to install fglrx |
| 14:09.48 | asg | minus: I'd shut down the NetworkManager thingy for the time being and see if the same issues are observed. |
| 14:10.03 | stoned | !seen thingfish |
| 14:10.03 | dpkg | thingfish <n=mark@c-69-247-202-62.hsd1.mo.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 9d 17h 52m 38s ago, saying: 'oh nm'. |
| 14:10.05 | JuStIcIa_ | I don't know who thingfish is. |
| 14:10.13 | stoned | who the fuck is JuStIcIa_ |
| 14:10.16 | minus | asg, ok.. i see.. Can I do something about it |
| 14:10.20 | asg | JuStIcIa_: who owns you |
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| 14:11.34 | stoned | asg: if you connect a 4 pin molex to the sata hdd power instead of sata power cable does it make a difference? |
| 14:11.35 | suppaman | anyone on PowerPC ? |
| 14:11.37 | stoned | I wouldn't think so |
| 14:11.42 | stoned | suppaman: yes |
| 14:11.55 | stoned | suppaman: I have a powerbook 3400c with sarge on it |
| 14:12.02 | rdz | hi all. 'netstat | grep 8020' tells me: 'tcp 12 0 netpd.org:8020 firewall.snm-hgkz:53823 CLOSE_WAIT' . therefore i cannot use that port right now. how can i definitively close that port, so that it gets freed again? |
| 14:12.10 | suppaman | stoned: 3400 is oldworld I think |
| 14:12.15 | stoned | suppaman: yup |
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| 14:12.22 | stoned | suppaman: 1997-1998 |
| 14:12.44 | liable | rdz: it should be free in a minute |
| 14:12.53 | suppaman | stoned: I'm on ibook, I'm reading the guide provided in #debianppc topic but I think it's a bit different from my situation, actually I have only OS X and I have no Apple_Bootstrap |
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| 14:13.12 | stoned | I never owned or used a mac with os>9 |
| 14:13.16 | rdz | liable, but i think it doesn't. it is in that state since yesterday. |
| 14:13.16 | stoned | I dunno |
| 14:14.17 | rdz | liable, anyway, i'll try waiting a bit. |
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| 14:14.18 | liable | rdz: tpc has a bit of a wait after a session is closed, should,nt be more than 2 minutes though |
| 14:14.32 | rdz | liable, that is what i experience in most of the cases, but not here.... |
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| 14:15.32 | ab3l_ | hi ,once downloaded a kernel bz2 package just uncompress then type ./configure && make menuconfig ? |
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| 14:15.50 | stoned | oh man I tried to load a dvd from this HDD thats giving errors, and its really REALLY slow read speed |
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| 14:15.59 | cyzie | rdz, set the time to lower then |
| 14:16.03 | asg | stoned: are you seeing seek errors in the log? |
| 14:16.04 | stoned | hdd was working fine an hour ago in the old system |
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| 14:16.11 | rdz | cyzie, where can i do that? |
| 14:16.12 | stoned | no seek errors |
| 14:16.14 | stoned | none |
| 14:16.17 | asg | hmmm |
| 14:16.24 | stoned | ata4.00: tag 0 cmd 0x25 Emask 0x20 stat 0x51 err 0x84 (host bus error) |
| 14:16.25 | rdz | i'd like to set it to 0, i often have this problem. |
| 14:16.28 | stoned | these are all I get |
| 14:16.36 | stoned | ata4.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0 |
| 14:16.37 | sleek | anyone has experience linking linux and windows via 802.11b AdHoc mode ? |
| 14:16.56 | stoned | does anyone know what this means? |
| 14:17.00 | sleek | you might have unstable / low power st |
| 14:17.02 | sleek | stoned, |
| 14:17.10 | stoned | see |
| 14:17.12 | stoned | I asked that |
| 14:17.22 | stoned | asg: if you connect a 4 pin molex to the sata hdd power instead of sata power cable does it make a difference? |
| 14:17.26 | stoned | not asg |
| 14:17.28 | stoned | anyone! |
| 14:17.31 | cyzie | rdz, man tcp, look for timewait or closewait |
| 14:17.43 | rdz | cyzie, thank you a lot |
| 14:17.48 | sn- | stoned using 2.6.20~ ? |
| 14:17.57 | asg | stoned: no idea on that. http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~tjuerges/ALMA/Kernel/libata/ch07.html might have some info |
| 14:18.06 | stoned | no |
| 14:18.10 | stoned | I'm on etch, default kernel |
| 14:18.15 | stoned | .18-4 |
| 14:18.18 | sn- | i just mention because on ubuntu feisty there is a bug similar to that error |
| 14:18.34 | sn- | but nm |
| 14:18.40 | sleek | stoned, what's the voltage that drive needs ? |
| 14:18.41 | cyzie | np |
| 14:18.43 | cyzie | rdz, |
| 14:19.03 | stoned | well, In my old pc it was connected with 4 pin molex and not sata power |
| 14:19.08 | stoned | it worked fine without errors |
| 14:19.20 | stoned | sleek: I'm not sure but I have a 530W psu |
| 14:19.23 | sleek | okay, so we rule that out :) |
| 14:19.24 | stoned | dual 12+ |
| 14:19.35 | suppaman | bye |
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| 14:19.41 | stoned | its a perty high end psu |
| 14:19.42 | sleek | well.. some satas has 15 pins instead of 4 |
| 14:19.48 | wols | stoned: ewhy would it? 12V and 5V are 12V and 5V |
| 14:19.50 | wols | no matter the connector |
| 14:20.00 | cyzie | stoned, i have 4 HDD in my pc (not to mentioend other parts) and a 400w PSU |
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| 14:20.12 | wols | stoned: what PSU brand btw? |
| 14:20.16 | sleek | it's not your psu |
| 14:20.24 | stoned | wols: HIPER or HIPEC or something |
| 14:20.32 | wols | HIPER |
| 14:20.37 | stoned | norwegia? |
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| 14:20.54 | smacnay | For non initrd kernels on a machine using sata drives with lvm, what crucial modules need to be hard coded in the kernel? |
| 14:21.00 | stoned | ata4.00: tag 0 cmd 0x25 Emask 0x20 stat 0x51 err 0x84 (host bus error) |
| 14:21.05 | stoned | I keep getting these errors |
| 14:21.29 | wols | smacnay: is it even possible to put / on a lvm and not use initrd? |
| 14:21.42 | wols | tpyically you need root fs, and drivers for the disk that is on inside the kernel |
| 14:21.56 | wols | smacnay: cable or controller is my guess. or disk electronics |
| 14:21.57 | cyzie | stoned, what eerors? |
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| 14:22.19 | stoned | I just pasted the errors |
| 14:22.20 | stoned | look up |
| 14:22.41 | smacnay | wols: I never thought of the lvm issue - maybe I will recompile with initrd. |
| 14:22.48 | stoned | I have over 140+ movies in dvd on there and like 100gb music and some porn too |
| 14:22.49 | sleek | try it again with your old machine |
| 14:22.52 | stoned | its important data man |
| 14:22.58 | stoned | sleek: I can't I sold it |
| 14:23.01 | sleek | :D |
| 14:23.14 | sleek | get a proper cable then if it's that precious |
| 14:23.16 | smacnay | wols: I did lvm on an install but have not rolled my own kernel in some time |
| 14:23.27 | stoned | sleek: I tried with 3 different brand new sata cables |
| 14:23.47 | wols | stoned: can you unplug anything? use less power? |
| 14:23.55 | sleek | if it still doesn't work, plug it off.. might be libata |
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| 14:24.29 | sleek | I still suspect low power |
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| 14:24.51 | sleek | last time I had I/O error, it was caused by a half-powered IDE usb adapter |
| 14:25.34 | stoned | well I've got a core 2 duo @ 1.275V @ 3500MHz, 0.1+ to FSB/MCH, 0.2+ to vDimm, DVDRW/CDRW, X1900 XTX, 2 SATA2 HDD, 6 FANS, thats all I think |
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| 14:25.47 | stoned | 530W HIPER PSU |
| 14:25.56 | wols | hmm, is it possible to put /boot/ on a LVM and will grub find the kernel then? |
| 14:26.05 | sleek | bbl.. need to reboot in windows to ix my sis comp |
| 14:26.36 | petemc | wols: i think you need grub2 for that |
| 14:27.07 | wols | petemc: seems like it: googling says "GRUB has support for LVM and RAID since version 1.95" |
| 14:28.34 | stoned | hey petemc |
| 14:28.42 | stoned | wols: what happened to your tail? |
| 14:28.49 | stoned | _ |
| 14:28.55 | asg | stoned: he tucked it back in |
| 14:28.58 | stoned | lol |
| 14:28.59 | wols | only every other day |
| 14:29.15 | wols | freenode timeouts are longer than irssi tiemouts (300s) |
| 14:29.23 | wols | and I get disconnected once per day by my isp |
| 14:29.38 | amar-ze | is pidgin available for debian? |
| 14:29.59 | wols | !+info pidgin etch |
| 14:30.01 | dpkg | Package 'pidgin' does not exist. |
| 14:30.04 | eifzon | amar-ze: unstable |
| 14:30.10 | wols | !+info gaim etch |
| 14:30.12 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-10 (etch), Packaged size: 1639 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB |
| 14:30.21 | wols | note the vresion number |
| 14:30.26 | wols | so yes it's available in all but name |
| 14:30.26 | amar-ze | eifzon>what do I need to add in sources.list for unstable? |
| 14:30.34 | eifzon | amar-ze: i am not running it |
| 14:30.45 | eifzon | amar-ze: gaim is nice |
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| 14:30.47 | wols | amar-ze: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
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| 14:31.07 | amar-ze | tnx |
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| 14:38.52 | ab3l_ | hi, the amount of warning during compilation of kernel depends on the source itself or something's wrong within the compiler (e.g. old version)? |
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| 14:41.36 | stoned | hey |
| 14:41.42 | stoned | I think I stopped getting the error message |
| 14:41.46 | stoned | and the drive works fine now |
| 14:41.58 | asg | stoned: did you job a spliff in the cdrom? |
| 14:42.00 | stoned | I put some force into it and pushed all the cable connection sin |
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| 14:42.34 | stoned | I looked at dmesg|grep ata and I still saw the errors but I don't get them in terminal window anymore randomly |
| 14:42.43 | asg | ab3l_: warning levels are set in the Makefile used to initiate the kernel build. |
| 14:43.16 | ab3l_ | yeah i know but i mean in average: 50-100 warning during compile anmd standard settings are normal ? |
| 14:43.17 | asg | stoned: then the errors have gone from emergencies to simple warnings |
| 14:43.31 | ab3l_ | or something is geetting wrong e.g. i may have an outdated libc _? |
| 14:43.49 | asg | ab3l_: there are often lots of warnings since the kernel hackers do things that contravene what the compiler allows for various reasons. |
| 14:44.14 | ab3l_ | ok so it's normal thx |
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| 14:44.27 | wols | isn't the default compilre for the kernel still 3.3 or such? |
| 14:45.10 | asg | wols: cat /proc/version |
| 14:45.29 | atula | !tell atula boot |
| 14:45.33 | asg | looks like 4.1.1-21 (in etch at least) |
| 14:45.38 | asg | atula: /msg the bot |
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| 14:46.20 | ab3l_ | just another question: as now booting occurs in this way: a cd pre-boots then switchs to usb device to continue booting (since my pc doesn't boot from usb directly) with such a config how do i tell system to use the new kernel ? mean--as far as now grub appears only once (from cd) |
| 14:46.46 | asg | wols: sarge was 3.3 and woody was 2.95 |
| 14:47.26 | liable | i believe the kernel docs still say 2.95 |
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| 14:47.46 | ab3l_ | in such a way that if the new kernel doesn't work i can still boot the old ;) |
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| 14:47.59 | atula | hmmm.... heh. what's the equivalent to the redhat chkconfig --add package? |
| 14:48.08 | asg | atula: update-rc.d and rcconf |
| 14:48.24 | atula | cool. I'll man those. thanks |
| 14:48.37 | wols | asg: not what debian uses but what is the officially designated kernel compiler |
| 14:48.48 | wols | and that and sually is even older than what debian uses |
| 14:48.49 | asg | wols: ah, my mistake. |
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| 14:49.18 | atula | asg, well.... how about modules? ^^ |
| 14:49.18 | rdz | hi. how can i find out, which process uses the tcp-port 8020? |
| 14:49.31 | asg | atula: modules? |
| 14:49.38 | asg | rdz: fuser, lsof, netstat |
| 14:49.51 | atula | asg, ... okie... "modprobe ndiswrapper"? |
| 14:50.00 | rdz | asg, lsof <what>? |
| 14:50.08 | atula | asg, I don't feel like typing it each time when I turn on comp... |
| 14:50.25 | asg | rdz: lsof | grep 8020 ... or fuser -v 8020/tcp |
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| 14:50.33 | asg | atula: just add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules |
| 14:50.36 | rdz | asg, thank you a lot |
| 14:50.52 | atula | hmm... lemme see that file. |
| 14:51.05 | asg | atula: you could also modprobe it in a pre-up stanza in /etc/network/interfaces but that's up to you. |
| 14:51.28 | rdz | asg, thank you |
| 14:51.28 | stoned | well ok then errors are down, maybe its the sata cables |
| 14:51.32 | stoned | I dunno |
| 14:51.37 | rdz | i solve my problem |
| 14:51.42 | asg | cool |
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| 14:51.52 | stoned | !dmm |
| 14:51.52 | dpkg | i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
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| 14:52.37 | atula | asg, weird. there's no line in there except for loop... is that right? (/etc/modules) |
| 14:52.55 | asg | atula: right, just add 'ndiswrapper' on the line before or after loop |
| 14:54.00 | asg | stoned: has your transfer rate improved or is it still slow? |
| 14:54.08 | atula | asg, graciASS! :D |
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| 14:56.15 | rdz | how can i find info about the 'ggtick' command? i can't remember having it installed myself |
| 14:56.29 | asg | rdz: man ggtick |
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| 14:56.58 | asg | rdz: if there isn't a manpage, apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search bin/ggtick (find the package and then look in /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/*) |
| 14:56.58 | rdz | asg, unfortunately there is not man-page, that is why i ask |
| 14:57.25 | Ch0Hag | When Debian is being installed, it says 'the first connected network interface found has been selected'. |
| 14:57.26 | rdz | asg, hey cool, you are great help and i learn much with your hep |
| 14:57.38 | Ch0Hag | How is it determined which NIC is found first? |
| 14:57.50 | Ch0Hag | PCI bus order? Module load order? |
| 14:58.10 | asg | Ch0Hag: loaded in the order it's found on the bus |
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| 14:58.41 | Ch0Hag | So in a box with an onboard chip, that will always be eth0? |
| 14:58.42 | MeeX | hi! |
| 14:58.42 | MeeX | i would like to ask that someone of you have dedicated server and could divede it |
| 14:58.45 | MeeX | ?;) |
| 14:58.49 | Ch0Hag | Until the OS is installed, at least. |
| 14:58.54 | MeeX | I'm Poland |
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| 14:59.19 | MeeX | Dedicated server with ssh installed. |
| 14:59.31 | asg | Ch0Hag: should be |
| 14:59.53 | Ch0Hag | asg: Do you know which package I could dive into to find out for sure? |
| 15:01.08 | asg | Ch0Hag: lspci should show you the ordered enumeration. dmesg will also tell you once you've booted a kernel. |
| 15:01.31 | Ch0Hag | I mean the installer. |
| 15:01.42 | Ch0Hag | Which part of the installer determines how thi NICs are loaded? |
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| 15:02.50 | asg | Ch0Hag: I think they are already enumerated by the time the kernel has booted. If not, it should be the 'setup network part' |
| 15:02.51 | JC_Denton_ | where does the run application dialog program (gnome) store the names & paths of the programs its aware of? |
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| 15:04.24 | stoned | now that I'm back on debian I miss the cube of beryl |
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| 15:04.31 | stoned | I can't get it now cuz I have some shitty drivers for 3d |
| 15:04.46 | asg | stoned: given how much you smoke, can't you just imagine it? |
| 15:04.54 | stoned | lol |
| 15:05.06 | stoned | man after 5 months of being sober I wanted to party this weekend |
| 15:05.14 | stoned | I'm actually not that high |
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| 15:07.06 | stoned | my heartburn is gone though |
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| 15:07.12 | stoned | milk kicks ass |
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| 15:08.44 | jkamzi | Hello. I have a question. Got my old laptop running just now, with a very old install of Debian. When I'm goint to run the apt-update, I notice that there's no debian-non-US/dists/unstable |
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| 15:09.01 | stew | jkamzi: /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 15:09.03 | jkamzi | instead it's potato, woody, sarge and what not |
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| 15:09.14 | jkamzi | ok then |
| 15:09.29 | chrisjs169_ | how can I restart the usb daemon/service? |
| 15:10.01 | poncha | jkamzi: there is stable/unstable ... but maybe your mirror is dead ? |
| 15:10.14 | stoned | I should really redo my partitions. I've got a 40gb xp, 16gb oblivion, rest freespace, 10gb debian, 450gb home, 1gb swap |
| 15:10.34 | jkamzi | I updated to ftp.se.debian.org, and in dists, there's no "unstable" |
| 15:10.57 | poncha | if you want unstable, you can use "sid" ;) |
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| 15:11.16 | poncha | thats if mirror does not map it (which is weird) |
| 15:11.17 | stew | jkamzi: exact url did you use? |
| 15:11.28 | jkamzi | I haven't used Debian for a couple of years. The browser installed is Firebird 0.6.1 ;) |
| 15:11.45 | asg | woody? |
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| 15:11.55 | jkamzi | I have no idea |
| 15:11.58 | dury | hi there channel |
| 15:12.03 | stoned | Need to get 292MB/292MB of archives. After unpacking 55.7MB will be used. <-- this is what happens on a pretty much daily basis with sid |
| 15:12.11 | jkamzi | stew, URL to the apt-thing? |
| 15:12.19 | stoned | its a pain in the patoot, and then you gotta read the changelogs at least kinda |
| 15:12.19 | poncha | jkamzi: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:12.33 | stew | jkamzi: yes, exactly what url are you trying to use for that mirror |
| 15:12.44 | jkamzi | testing/unstable it says |
| 15:12.56 | stew | jkamzi: becuase that mirror has unstable, if you aren't finding it, you probably aren't using the right url |
| 15:13.00 | stoned | stew: what mirror do you use? which is a good one for nyc? I am using osuosl right now |
| 15:13.00 | asg | poncha: must be post-potato / pre-woody since woody had firebird 1.5 |
| 15:13.12 | chrisjs169_ | how can I restart the usb daemon/service? |
| 15:13.19 | poncha | oh well.. actually right, sid would never give real version :) |
| 15:13.23 | stoned | firebird was like arond 0.7~ish version |
| 15:13.24 | jkamzi | stew, ftp://ftp.se.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/unstable/non-US/non-free/binary-i38 |
| 15:13.26 | \amethyst | chrisjs169_: usb daemon? |
| 15:13.27 | stoned | 1.5 is firefox |
| 15:13.35 | jkamzi | But, there's no unstable. |
| 15:13.38 | \amethyst | jkamzi: that's non-US, which isn't around anymore |
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| 15:13.40 | jkamzi | as I said |
| 15:13.42 | jkamzi | yeah |
| 15:13.43 | asg | poncha: heh, actually, I was wrong. firebird 1.5 was the database, not the browser. |
| 15:13.47 | stew | jkamzi: there is no more non-US |
| 15:13.47 | \amethyst | jkamzi: you want debian, not debian-non-US |
| 15:13.55 | stew | !tell jkamzi about crypto in main |
| 15:13.59 | jkamzi | I see |
| 15:14.34 | stew | stoned: mirrors.kernel.org / ftp.us.debian.org (both of which have osuosl in the rotation, iirc). debian.uchicago.edu and there is one in rutgers that is usually fast |
| 15:14.39 | chrisjs169_ | \amethyst: yeah |
| 15:15.04 | \amethyst | chrisjs169_: What do you mean by the USB daemon? |
| 15:15.32 | chrisjs169_ | \amethyst: i had to use sysrq to kill all but init - usb devices don't mount, as well as don't appear in /dev/sd* |
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| 15:15.54 | \amethyst | chrisjs169_: probably you want to start udev, which manages device nodes |
| 15:15.57 | dob1 | hi, a pentium 3 is i586 ? |
| 15:16.03 | chrisjs169_ | \amethyst: ok |
| 15:16.05 | asg | dob1: i686 |
| 15:16.06 | \amethyst | chrisjs169_: /etc/init.d/udev start |
| 15:16.10 | dob1 | asg: ok thanks |
| 15:16.17 | stew | dob1: its a i386 or a 686 depending on the context |
| 15:17.18 | jkamzi | Hooray. It worked. |
| 15:17.22 | jkamzi | Thanks everyone. |
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| 15:17.38 | minus | asg, Now I had the same thing.. My internet went down, and the only thing that helped was a reboot.. I tried "ifdown eth1 && ifup eth1" and "dhclient" several times and still it wouldn't go back online.. |
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| 15:17.45 | chrisjs169_ | \amethyst: yay, it worked. thanks! |
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| 15:18.13 | minus | asg, and it all happened when I was downloading in high speed |
| 15:18.19 | stew | minus: in the future try "modprobe -r drivername ; modprobe drivername" then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:18.30 | dob1 | steve: which context ? |
| 15:18.38 | minus | ok stew :) |
| 15:18.59 | raboof | I can reliably crash iceweasel from testing and unstable by scrolling though http://forum.nedlinux.nl/viewtopic.php?id=26078 - when i get to the 'Code' bit |
| 15:19.16 | minus | stew, isn't there a way to prevent that it goes down.. |
| 15:19.18 | minus | ? |
| 15:19.21 | raboof | anyone else see this? Removing flashplugin-nonfree didn't help. |
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| 15:19.36 | asg | minus: post the pastebin link you posted earlier and let stew have a look |
| 15:20.13 | minus | stew, http://pastebin.ca/598611 |
| 15:20.17 | minus | thats syslog |
| 15:20.19 | raboof | gdb sais the crash is in nsTextFrame::Paint |
| 15:22.42 | stew | i dunno what i'm looking for here |
| 15:23.16 | stew | though it seems to successfully get an address via dhcp 20 seconds before it gets rebooted |
| 15:23.17 | MeeX | Hi |
| 15:23.25 | minus | stew, :o |
| 15:23.27 | MeeX | Posiada ktos wlasny serwer ssh? |
| 15:23.40 | stew | !pl |
| 15:23.40 | dpkg | [pl] perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 15:23.52 | minus | ^^ |
| 15:23.58 | asg | stew: earlier, it looked like there were two dhclients running and a dhcpcd on the same box. |
| 15:24.02 | stew | MeeX: english only in here, if you want to speak policy please try '/j #debian.pl' |
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| 15:24.15 | MeeX | not |
| 15:24.16 | hark | raboof: no crash here :) |
| 15:24.26 | MeeX | not users in the channel |
| 15:24.31 | MeeX | ;[ |
| 15:24.39 | dury | I have a problem with networking.... in the top bar where the time and date is there is an icon networking beside tim... in that net icon has a red circle and it saysaaaaaaaa |
| 15:24.43 | dury | a |
| 15:24.47 | minus | stew, If i get a new network pci card, is there a possibility that this problem stops? |
| 15:24.49 | stew | minus: is your /etc/network/interfaces empty, or is there stuff in there? |
| 15:25.01 | raboof | hark: weird... |
| 15:25.03 | minus | stew, ill check |
| 15:25.13 | raboof | so what should I do, file a bug report with the stacktrace? |
| 15:25.20 | raboof | not sure how to further trace this problem |
| 15:25.22 | dury | no networking connection |
| 15:25.25 | stew | raboof: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 15:25.28 | minus | stew, there is some stuff in there.. |
| 15:25.34 | asg | raboof: have you checked the BTS to see if the same bug has been reported? |
| 15:25.42 | stew | minus: afaik, there shouldn't be, since you are running network-manager |
| 15:25.54 | minus | ok.. |
| 15:25.55 | stew | minus: but i've never used network-manager |
| 15:26.05 | hark | raboof: try safe mode too |
| 15:26.10 | raboof | asg: i've googled around and found a similar one for Ubuntu, haven't looked at the BTS specifically |
| 15:26.15 | minus | I've no clue what that is stew. But sure ^^ |
| 15:26.28 | stew | minus: i'd check /usr/share/doc/network-manager to verify it |
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| 15:27.10 | minus | stew, hm.. I guess i do use that then ^^ |
| 15:27.31 | stew | minus: huh? what do you mean? |
| 15:28.13 | minus | stew, nvm.. |
| 15:28.25 | raboof | hark: good idea, but crashes in safemode, too |
| 15:28.46 | minus | Ehm.. but.. Should i try commenting everything in the /etc/network/interface |
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| 15:29.12 | minus | and see if the problem stops coming back? |
| 15:29.29 | erik | on windows, you have this nice program to play music: musicmatch. What's the Debian equivalent ? |
| 15:29.53 | flami | amarok |
| 15:29.54 | minus | erik, xmms, amarok, audacious |
| 15:29.57 | dury | erik: xmms |
| 15:30.19 | flami | amarok for me the most awsome there is ;) |
| 15:30.27 | minus | I hate amarok |
| 15:30.30 | stew | minus: well if what asg says is true, that you have 3 dhcp clients running, i'd try to eliminate two of them. network-manager is obviously responsible for at least one of them, if you have stuff in /etc/network/interfaces that could cause another. |
| 15:30.36 | minus | Its a "i want to be itunes thingy" |
| 15:30.40 | stew | minus: did you run dhcpcd yourself? |
| 15:30.49 | aadil | vlc powa! |
| 15:30.58 | aadil | it supports some winamp skins! |
| 15:31.00 | minus | stew, nope o_O |
| 15:31.01 | aadil | imho |
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| 15:31.05 | flami | yeah vlc is sexy too :P |
| 15:31.12 | aadil | \m/ |
| 15:31.14 | aadil | word |
| 15:31.36 | flami | i use the standard wxwidget style though ;) |
| 15:32.39 | aadil | :p |
| 15:33.19 | flami | but with gd-qt engine it looks quite nice |
| 15:33.51 | aadil | eww, qt |
| 15:33.53 | aadil | :S |
| 15:34.05 | edistar | qt :( use gtk :P |
| 15:34.21 | chrisjs169_ | jack |
| 15:34.38 | aadil | :d |
| 15:34.40 | minus | stew, So.. What should i do? Im kindofa newb as you probably know.. ;) |
| 15:36.03 | Bushmills | minus: rhythmbox looks kind of itunish |
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| 15:38.02 | GhostlyDeath | hmm.... Does GRUB work with Vista? |
| 15:39.06 | cast | sure |
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| 15:40.57 | nvz | the correct question would be does vista work with grub |
| 15:41.08 | solitude | Yes. It does. :) |
| 15:41.35 | edistar | what a shame.. |
| 15:41.38 | solitude | even with tri booting linux, XP, vista |
| 15:41.39 | tvynr | Anyone know of an easy way I can run a little webserver on a Debian box to test a page I put together without using priviledges? I could install Apache on my dev box and set it up properly, but that'd be a pain and it seems quite excessive. |
| 15:41.40 | nvz | heh |
| 15:41.43 | solitude | It goes Grub -> windows chainloader -> windows |
| 15:42.03 | edistar | minus: have a look at exaile! |
| 15:42.03 | asg | tvynr: you could use lighttpd |
| 15:42.08 | solitude | tvynr, sensibly speaking, just use apache |
| 15:42.13 | tvynr | asg: I'll take a look, thanks. :) |
| 15:42.15 | solitude | its not that excessive. |
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| 15:42.34 | edistar | tvynr: lighthttp |
| 15:42.37 | GhostlyDeath | I guess I'd have to reinstall Linux |
| 15:42.52 | GhostlyDeath | just in case vista turn their drives into NTFS |
| 15:42.53 | cast | GhostlyDeath: why? |
| 15:42.58 | tvynr | solitude: It's a great deal more work than I'd like to put forth. And the user isn't part of my group, so I'd have to fiddle with permissions and so forth. :-/ |
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| 15:43.24 | GhostlyDeath | plus I have to adjust free space too... |
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| 15:43.57 | GhostlyDeath | hmm how do I mount a UDF DVD? mount -t udf /dev/hda? |
| 15:44.05 | spheard | !key |
| 15:44.05 | dpkg | i guess key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 15:44.08 | nvz | not that I'd ever run Vista to begin with, but if I were to, and it wrote over my Debian with NTFS that would be the last time it ever booted |
| 15:44.24 | GhostlyDeath | XP did that when I installed it |
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| 15:44.36 | asg | tvynr: if you want really small, micro-httpd might also work (only 150 lines of code) |
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| 15:44.44 | GhostlyDeath | guess Linux then Windows doesn't work! |
| 15:44.45 | cast | itll just be overwriting the bootloader, surely not the partitions other than C? |
| 15:44.46 | aadil | :> |
| 15:44.53 | valdyn | GhostlyDeath: even XP only does it after you confirm that actionm, which you are free to change -> pebkac? |
| 15:45.09 | solitude | Yup. |
| 15:45.09 | GhostlyDeath | valdyn: never gave me a choice |
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| 15:45.32 | tvynr | asg: Actually, I was looking for something braindead I could run as a user with minimal effort. "Make localhost:12345 be ~/project/www". I guess I should just cope with apache, though. |
| 15:46.05 | GhostlyDeath | "$ mount -t udf /cdrom || mount: only root can do that" |
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| 15:46.28 | asg | tvynr: lighttpd is a pretty braindead installation. While powerful, it is pretty minimal out of the box. I haven't run micro-httpd but I'd look at it. |
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| 15:46.38 | slack101 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=G6LcXi9F8Bk << what city is this ???? |
| 15:46.39 | solitude | Hmm. |
| 15:46.52 | solitude | I had a problem with a scsidrive -.- |
| 15:46.57 | cast | tvynr: look at thttpd |
| 15:48.13 | cast | tvynr: thttpd -p 12345 -d ~/project/www would work |
| 15:48.30 | erik | follow-up on music player/musicmatch: xmms, amarok and audacious are just winamp-look-alikes, it seems. nothing full-screen/easy-to-read/edit/sort/choose |
| 15:48.44 | tvynr | cast: Ooo, thanks. |
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| 15:49.02 | cast | tvynr: beware the etch thttpd init.d script is buggy |
| 15:49.12 | valdyn | erik: there's a ton of itunes clones too, i guess people dont know what you want |
| 15:49.30 | tvynr | cast: How so? I'm having to use Etch at the moment because Lenny's fakechroot is broken. |
| 15:50.02 | cast | tvynr: it doesn't sound like you're needing it, but in the BTS are a few fixes, the issue is with /etc/init.d/thttpd stop|restart, it doesn't detect if thttpd is running correctly due to a poorly concieved grep |
| 15:50.25 | stew | tvynr: have you filed a bug on fakechroot yet? |
| 15:50.41 | tvynr | stew: Yeah. I couldn't really get any information, though. :( |
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| 15:50.48 | stew | minus: do you actually use network-manager? |
| 15:50.53 | tvynr | stew: So I just had to say that unstable fakechroot spews a ridiculous lot of error messages. |
| 15:50.55 | stew | minus: what version of network-manager is installed? |
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| 15:52.20 | stew | oh, hmm is avahi not a dependency of network-manager? don't know why he got that pulled in too otherwise |
| 15:52.43 | Enverex | What app do I need to convert bin/cue files to ISO format? |
| 15:52.55 | valdyn | Enverex: bchunk |
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| 15:55.06 | minus_ | asg and stew ; Same thing happened again. Thats the third time today.. |
| 15:55.30 | stew | minus_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:55.54 | minus_ | debian lenny |
| 15:56.24 | stew | minus_: do you actually use network-manager? |
| 15:56.36 | minus_ | no.. |
| 15:56.42 | minus_ | Not what i know... |
| 15:56.43 | minus_ | ^^ |
| 15:57.20 | XtypeWriter74 | is it possible to to install java jre for stable etch? |
| 15:57.24 | edistar | minus_: what exactly is happening? |
| 15:57.43 | minus_ | edistar, All of a sudden the internetconnection just breaks.. |
| 15:57.50 | edistar | do you have vmware installed? |
| 15:57.56 | minus_ | And i cant get it up without rebooting |
| 15:58.06 | minus_ | no, i do not have wmware |
| 15:58.09 | minus_ | vm* |
| 15:58.36 | edistar | minus_: what does /var/log/syslog say? |
| 15:58.45 | stew | minus_: did you try unloading and reloading the kernel module instead of rebooting? |
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| 15:59.08 | stew | minus_: the next time it breaks, can you capture the output of "ifconfig -a ; route -n" while it is broken? |
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| 15:59.25 | linuxchick | hello! |
| 15:59.33 | edistar | minus_: also try an ifdown interface and then ifup interface ;) |
| 15:59.37 | edistar | linuxchick: hello! |
| 15:59.41 | linuxchick | how is everyone? |
| 15:59.48 | asg | peachy |
| 15:59.49 | stew | edistar: no he shouldn't be using those |
| 15:59.54 | minus_ | edistar, been there done that |
| 15:59.59 | linuxchick | peachy! |
| 16:00.12 | linuxchick | peach is my nickname ;) |
| 16:00.15 | minus_ | stew, and that modprob thingy didn't work |
| 16:00.21 | stew | minus_: ifdown / ifup should be doing nothing becuase you shouldn't have anything in interfaces becuase you are using network-manager |
| 16:00.22 | linuxchick | like princess peach from mario |
| 16:00.34 | cast | !tell linuxchick about OT |
| 16:00.49 | linuxchick | whats the topic tonight? |
| 16:00.54 | linuxchick | ot? |
| 16:00.54 | krazykit | debian. |
| 16:01.04 | stew | linuxchick: debian end user support |
| 16:01.05 | edistar | stew: why not? |
| 16:01.22 | stew | edistar: becuase his /etc/network/interfaces should be empty becuase he is using network-manager |
| 16:01.31 | edistar | ah... |
| 16:01.38 | edistar | stew: why use network-manager? |
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| 16:02.03 | minus_ | I dont even know what network-manager is.. so :P |
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| 16:02.23 | stew | edistar: do you mean why does he use it? or why would one use it in general? |
| 16:02.29 | linuxchick | i'm having a tough time figuring out how to mound a usb dvd drive |
| 16:02.38 | linuxchick | mount* |
| 16:02.40 | asg | linuxchick: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 16:02.49 | slack101 | anyone here good at city searching ? |
| 16:02.57 | slack101 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=G6LcXi9F8Bk |
| 16:03.00 | cast | linuxchick: plug it in, turn it on, run dmesg and see what its cooled |
| 16:03.02 | slack101 | i cannot figure out what city this is |
| 16:03.09 | asg | slack101: why not google for city mary j blige and the name of the song. |
| 16:03.09 | linuxchick | i'm sorry i'm still a little new to linux |
| 16:03.27 | linuxchick | i did try googleing though |
| 16:03.39 | cast | s/cooled/called even |
| 16:03.50 | slack101 | asg, i did |
| 16:03.52 | linuxchick | what do you need slack? |
| 16:04.04 | slack101 | i was trying ot figure out what city that was |
| 16:04.07 | asg | slack101: then ask #musicnerds or somesuch, your question isn't remotely debian related |
| 16:04.14 | MeeX | Please Shell Account |
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| 16:04.18 | rahul | slack101: jersey city |
| 16:04.19 | linuxchick | hmm |
| 16:04.21 | XtypeWriter74 | is it possible to install the new java 6.0 jre version in stable |
| 16:04.28 | minus_ | http://pastebin.ca/598716 stew edistar there is the last log from this downtime.. |
| 16:04.32 | rahul | slack101: at least, I haven't seen that video, but I suspect that's which one it is |
| 16:04.33 | slack101 | rahul, i dont think so |
| 16:04.35 | asg | MeeX: ask in #debian-pl or #debian.pl |
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| 16:04.49 | rahul | well, let me see the video :P |
| 16:04.54 | slack101 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=G6LcXi9F8Bk |
| 16:05.03 | linuxchick | is there a apt-get program that will mount usb devices? |
| 16:05.06 | stew | slack101: rahul: please take it elsewhere, #debian-offtopic perhaps |
| 16:05.26 | minus_ | linuxchick, why would apt mount thing? |
| 16:05.30 | minus_ | things* |
| 16:05.36 | slack101 | sorry |
| 16:05.39 | slack101 | i was just curious |
| 16:05.41 | krazykit | linuxchick: "apt-get program"? usb devices are taken care of by, among other bits, the kernel, udev, and an automounter |
| 16:05.44 | slack101 | and couldnt find out which one it was |
| 16:05.44 | stew | minus_: linuxchick meant a program that can be installed via apt-get |
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| 16:05.58 | minus_ | stew, Ah.. i see |
| 16:05.59 | minus_ | :P |
| 16:06.01 | linuxchick | i've been trying to mount this dvd burner for about 6 hours now and i'm real tired |
| 16:06.07 | stew | linuxchick: what version of debian are you running? do you use gnome? or what windowing environment |
| 16:06.12 | linuxchick | i'm just looking for an easy way out i guess |
| 16:06.17 | krazykit | linuxchick: if you're mounting it by hand, the dvd drive will be /dev/sdX1 |
| 16:06.19 | linuxchick | xfce |
| 16:06.30 | krazykit | thunar should automount that, linuxchick |
| 16:06.34 | edistar | stew: why use network manager in general? |
| 16:06.36 | MeeX | It owns server ssh? |
| 16:06.49 | edistar | stew: I'm not using it... so I am a little confused.. never tried actually |
| 16:06.55 | minus_ | linuxchick, Is it a USB dvd? |
| 16:06.56 | edistar | stew: how does one use it? |
| 16:07.00 | cast | krazykit: not debating, but would an optical disk come up as sdX or sdX1? |
| 16:07.06 | stew | edistar: it does automatic network discovery and gives you a little icon to click on to choose from available networks and such |
| 16:07.12 | linuxchick | it is a dvd in a usb/fw case |
| 16:07.15 | stew | edistar: i've never used it though |
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| 16:07.21 | edistar | stew: is it very reliable? |
| 16:07.26 | krazykit | cast: i thought they usually came up as the first partition? |
| 16:07.28 | asg | MeeX: nobody in here is going to give you a shell account, nobody in here knows anyone in Poland that has one either. Google it. |
| 16:07.33 | edistar | stew: and is it the default |
| 16:07.35 | edistar | ? |
| 16:07.40 | stew | edistar: no |
| 16:07.51 | minus_ | stew, Then i dont use it.. Cause i dont have any icon like that |
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| 16:07.58 | linuxchick | i know there is a command for term that will tell me the location of the drive but i forgot it |
| 16:07.58 | cast | krazykit: well my pata connected optical drives one mounts /dev/hda{a,b} |
| 16:08.01 | stew | edistar: its not the default. since i've never used it, i don't know anything about its reliability |
| 16:08.08 | edistar | okey :) |
| 16:08.11 | edistar | stew: thanks |
| 16:08.14 | linuxchick | any help? |
| 16:08.17 | krazykit | cast: hmm. you're probably right :P |
| 16:08.18 | stew | linuxchick: it should be /dev/dvd |
| 16:08.24 | stew | linuxchick: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:08.26 | edistar | stew: does it set DNS and so on as well? |
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| 16:08.40 | linuxchick | so.. * mount /dev/dvd ? |
| 16:09.10 | linuxchick | but it's usb... |
| 16:09.11 | stew | linuxchick: you'd need to tell it where you want it to be mounted unless you have an entry in /etc/fstab |
| 16:09.12 | edistar | stew: cause then I could use it in my nokia |
| 16:09.35 | stew | edistar: it uses dhcp so yes |
| 16:09.35 | edistar | okey |
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| 16:09.37 | linuxchick | it said cant find dev/dvd |
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| 16:10.10 | linuxchick | there isn't a gui for mounting? |
| 16:10.27 | avu | If the only two ip6tables rules issued are '-P INPUT DROP' and '-A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT', using TCP from the machine in question should be possible, right? (just tripple-checking before filing a bug) |
| 16:10.29 | linuxchick | i dont care if i have training wheels |
| 16:10.45 | edistar | linuxchick: there is a mounting plugin |
| 16:10.45 | linuxchick | ;p |
| 16:10.53 | linuxchick | i would love that |
| 16:10.56 | edistar | linuxchick: for the different desktops |
| 16:11.05 | linuxchick | i just need to mount this drive and burn a dvd of my band |
| 16:11.15 | edistar | which desktop do you have? |
| 16:11.20 | linuxchick | xfce |
| 16:11.28 | edistar | nice |
| 16:11.42 | cast | linuxchick: plug it in turn it on, paste [to http://rafb.net/paste/ the output of dmesg - hopefully it will be obvious what to do from there |
| 16:12.07 | edistar | linuxchick: and ask in #xfce ;) |
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| 16:12.44 | linuxchick | but i like you guys |
| 16:12.56 | stoned | lol |
| 16:12.57 | linuxchick | ii dont want to leave... |
| 16:13.06 | linuxchick | i* |
| 16:13.07 | cast | you can join two rooms at once :o |
| 16:13.22 | stoned | only on irc though |
| 16:13.28 | linuxchick | i dont want to be a linux slut :) |
| 16:13.40 | stoned | yeh ok |
| 16:13.47 | linuxchick | 1 room at a time.. |
| 16:13.49 | linuxchick | lol |
| 16:13.56 | linuxchick | ok... |
| 16:15.29 | edistar | linuxchick: additionally ;) |
| 16:15.43 | linuxchick | you guys know it totally sucks being a girl thats into linux |
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| 16:15.50 | stoned | dude stfu |
| 16:16.03 | edistar | linuxchick: girl? |
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| 16:16.24 | Enverex | linuxchick, Yes, all that attention from all the guys wanting to help, must really suck |
| 16:16.26 | cast | bs johnny. its like girls in any male dominated field, you get a million guys falling over to help you |
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| 16:16.33 | edistar | Enverex: xD |
| 16:16.38 | linuxchick | huh? |
| 16:16.47 | linuxchick | not at all |
| 16:16.54 | stoned | is this entertaining to you |
| 16:16.57 | stoned | wasting our time? |
| 16:16.59 | Enverex | Ever noticed females when using computers feel the need to announce it? |
| 16:17.03 | linuxchick | people make fun of me and blow me off all the time |
| 16:17.09 | Enverex | (announce that they are female I mean) |
| 16:17.13 | stoned | Enverex: women usually don't |
| 16:17.17 | stoned | Enverex: fakers do |
| 16:17.30 | edistar | linuxchick: just want to help, but you're pushing it a little :P |
| 16:17.34 | cast | linuxchick: you asked, we helped. you are the center of attention atm, how is any of this hard? |
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| 16:17.52 | edistar | just cut it, who cares? |
| 16:17.52 | linuxchick | i'm sorry i went off topic |
| 16:17.56 | Enverex | Crap, wrong button |
| 16:18.13 | edistar | Enverex: welcome |
| 16:18.15 | edistar | ;) |
| 16:18.37 | Enverex | hrm, now I've lost the scrollback too >.< |
| 16:18.46 | cast | isn't here some debian project...females...hmm, i can not remember. |
| 16:18.48 | edistar | Enverex: which client? |
| 16:18.59 | stoned | !female |
| 16:19.02 | stoned | no? |
| 16:19.03 | stoned | ok |
| 16:19.11 | stoned | !girl |
| 16:19.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, girl is a young female human. I prefer botesses myself. <Acid`X> freeone3000, i want a girl :( <freeone3000> Acid`X: Then why are you using debian? :{ <Acid`X> freeone3000, i thought i could fix that with apt-get install girl |
| 16:19.19 | Enverex | edistar, XChat |
| 16:19.28 | linuxchick | lol |
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| 16:19.37 | linuxchick | have you played super paper mario? |
| 16:19.44 | edistar | lol xD |
| 16:19.56 | krazykit | linuxchick: does it run on debian? |
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| 16:20.02 | b_jonas | does anyone use wine (the not-an-emulator)? is it difficult to make work? |
| 16:20.05 | stoned | krazykit: yes |
| 16:20.14 | stoned | krazykit: mupen64+paper mario rom |
| 16:20.16 | edistar | quel.. |
| 16:20.30 | edistar | b_jonas: it is a little cumbersome |
| 16:20.44 | linuxchick | there is a part in the game where a boss is using a command based rpg and he uses a command like that |
| 16:21.07 | stoned | krazykit: you like mario? |
| 16:21.08 | cast | b_jonas: it can be a bitch, i consider it a hit and miss affair. |
| 16:21.10 | linuxchick | * the !girl thing |
| 16:21.44 | linuxchick | yes |
| 16:21.45 | b_jonas | I'd like to run the good old office suit (winword 2 and excel 5) instead of these stupid new ones like office xp and openoffice |
| 16:21.45 | linuxchick | i love my Wii |
| 16:21.45 | krazykit | stoned: well enough, i suppose. i haven't liked the newer rpgs though. |
| 16:21.45 | linuxchick | office xp is horrible |
| 16:21.46 | cast | b_jonas: best way to find out is to try. |
| 16:21.46 | linuxchick | so.. stoned are you? |
| 16:21.48 | stoned | krazykit: I love legend of 7 starts |
| 16:21.55 | stoned | linuxchick: what? |
| 16:21.57 | b_jonas | does using old programs made for win31 make it better than newer winnt-based ones? |
| 16:21.59 | edistar | b_jonas: good luck then |
| 16:21.59 | cast | b_jonas: dare i ask whats wrong with modern Free office suites? |
| 16:22.02 | b_jonas | thanks |
| 16:22.02 | edistar | consider crossover |
| 16:22.07 | linuxchick | smrpg! |
| 16:22.13 | stoned | hey |
| 16:22.14 | stoned | you |
| 16:22.15 | b_jonas | cast: um, weil, |
| 16:22.16 | edistar | I like ppracer :P |
| 16:22.20 | b_jonas | they're missing some features |
| 16:22.21 | stoned | try abiword |
| 16:22.24 | stoned | its good stuff |
| 16:22.26 | b_jonas | and I'm not really familiar with them either |
| 16:22.29 | krazykit | b_jonas: features such as...? |
| 16:22.31 | stoned | i dunno what you want |
| 16:22.33 | b_jonas | I'll still leave openoffice there of course |
| 16:22.39 | stoned | free office suits are just as good as anything else |
| 16:22.42 | Jonny | hiho wha do rm -rf/*??? |
| 16:22.50 | Jonny | some guy say do it called talaturen |
| 16:22.55 | linuxchick | you have to play super paper mario is you like mario rpg |
| 16:22.55 | stoned | or do not want to take the time to learn what different in the new stuff |
| 16:22.58 | b_jonas | krazykit: let me try to name some, though they might just be things I haven't found out how to do |
| 16:23.05 | Jonny | hiho anyone answer? |
| 16:23.05 | krazykit | Jonny: as typed, throw an error. if you type it right, it deletes your whole system. |
| 16:23.09 | linuxchick | if* |
| 16:23.13 | Jonny | fuck |
| 16:23.18 | b_jonas | in oocalc, you can't use R1C1 style addressing, only A1 style |
| 16:23.18 | stoned | linuxchick: change your nickname cuz youre not a chick |
| 16:23.19 | Jonny | good job i didnt do it :D |
| 16:23.34 | stoned | its annoying looking at it |
| 16:23.41 | linuxchick | what? |
| 16:23.53 | krazykit | Jonny: you didn't see anything strange about using rm and the root of your drive? |
| 16:23.54 | edistar | Jonny: why? |
| 16:23.58 | b_jonas | I recently had to edit a macro but as it can't record old excel style macros I had to edit that wierd oobasic code without proper docs |
| 16:24.20 | Jonny | Im new to Debian. |
| 16:24.25 | cast | Jonny: may i suggest you learn how to use debian :), there are a few command line tuts around |
| 16:24.26 | b_jonas | I mean even visual basic and corelbasic are better than that stuff, because they're documented |
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| 16:24.39 | edistar | Jonny: who told you that? |
| 16:24.41 | linuxchick | why would you say that stoned? |
| 16:24.45 | Jonny | Talaturen |
| 16:24.49 | tbamr | does anyone know why my fetchmail inside mutt can't read mail while fetching it at the same time ? |
| 16:24.53 | linuxchick | because i like mario? |
| 16:24.58 | b_jonas | next thing, I couldn't find out how to insert specila characters in the text in the presentation oo |
| 16:25.04 | Talaturen | Jonny? |
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| 16:25.11 | Talaturen | Jonny, what? |
| 16:25.14 | b_jonas | there is an insert special dialog but you can't choose characters by number |
| 16:25.16 | Jonny | you try trick me do rm rf /* |
| 16:25.19 | Talaturen | no? |
| 16:25.24 | tbamr | does anyone know why my fetchmail inside mutt can't read mail while fetching it at the same time ? |
| 16:25.25 | Jonny | on quakenet server |
| 16:25.26 | linuxchick | thats pretty sexist if you feel that way |
| 16:25.27 | Jonny | ......... |
| 16:25.36 | tbamr | !beer SR71-Blackbird |
| 16:25.39 | wols | tbamr: locks. where do you store your mail? |
| 16:25.43 | b_jonas | only those few that are in the graphical list, and you can only search them very badly too |
| 16:25.50 | b_jonas | so I couldn't insert a damned thin space |
| 16:25.55 | wols | tbamr: engrish is hard to read btw |
| 16:26.02 | tbamr | wols: thanks. ok it's in /var/mail/ |
| 16:26.11 | tbamr | wols: haha. |
| 16:26.15 | tbamr | !beer wols |
| 16:26.18 | b_jonas | but I admit that my familiarity with ms office is also a factor |
| 16:26.23 | b_jonas | I don't want to relearn everything |
| 16:26.25 | wols | tbamr: what debian version? |
| 16:26.31 | SR71-Blackbird | !beer tbamr |
| 16:26.41 | tbamr | wols: etch |
| 16:26.48 | stoned | !debgames |
| 16:26.48 | dpkg | it has been said that debgames is debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 16:27.02 | wols | tbamr: most likely fetchmail locks your /var/mail mbox file |
| 16:27.10 | tbamr | wols: umm.. |
| 16:27.20 | linuxchick | this is exactly why i said it sucks to be a girl... |
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| 16:27.44 | krazykit | linuxchick: then stop whining and just don't advertise the fact and you'll be treated like everyone else. |
| 16:28.04 | edistar | linuxchick: just stop it, ok? nobody cares if you're a girl or not... just help and be helped.. not sulk |
| 16:28.19 | Enverex | I'm guessing ladyboy angsty from opression |
| 16:28.19 | edistar | krazykit: nice one;) |
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| 16:28.48 | linuxchick | i'm sorry but i just didn't appreciate stoned's comment |
| 16:28.55 | b_jonas | and of course I have some nostalgy too |
| 16:29.05 | b_jonas | I'll try to read the wine docs now |
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| 16:29.44 | b_jonas | if it doesn't work I could also try a virtual machine like qemu or vmware, but that's clumsier |
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| 16:29.48 | linuxchick | i'm working on a multi boot xbox |
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| 16:30.05 | linuxchick | i like qemu |
| 16:30.07 | wols | linuxchick: we don't support xboxes cause it doesn't run debian |
| 16:30.32 | linuxchick | how does it not run debian? |
| 16:30.44 | linuxchick | Xebian is just a port |
| 16:30.46 | Scurz | xbox doesn't use debian |
| 16:30.52 | wols | !xebian |
| 16:30.52 | dpkg | http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian - ML http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists |
| 16:31.02 | wols | that's where you get support. Xebian != debian |
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| 16:31.51 | cast | Xebian link in that factoid is broken |
| 16:32.08 | cast | http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xebian thats better |
| 16:32.36 | linuxchick | i have read the entire thing |
| 16:32.56 | wols | dpkg: xebian is http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xebian - ML http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists |
| 16:32.56 | dpkg | ...but xebian is already something else... |
| 16:33.04 | cast | linuxchick: then you would have read this part: Xebian is maintained by Edgar Hucek. Contact him for project-related questions or offers of assistance. For support and usage-related questions, please use the Mailing Lists or the IRC channel (#xbox-linux in OFTC.net (http://www.oftc.net/oftc/infrastructure/)) instead. |
| 16:33.04 | linuxchick | but i also know that like 99% of things are compatable |
| 16:33.20 | wols | linuxchick: we don't care. now go away |
| 16:33.26 | karmatronic | linuxchick: what s your problem? |
| 16:33.27 | linuxchick | and talk to all 3 bots? |
| 16:33.42 | linuxchick | i have tried the xebian support for a year now |
| 16:33.44 | wols | karmatronic: linuxchick is OT and is whining |
| 16:33.59 | linuxchick | not much i'm just trying to mount a usb dvd |
| 16:34.01 | wols | linuxchick: that is not our problem. ask the MS support. they sold you the trash |
| 16:34.17 | linuxchick | be nice |
| 16:34.22 | wols | fuck off |
| 16:34.24 | wols | nice enough? |
| 16:34.34 | linuxchick | it's debian |
| 16:34.40 | zinx | linuxchick: it's xebian |
| 16:34.41 | krazykit | no it isn't. |
| 16:34.41 | wols | linuxchick: /msg based on debian |
| 16:34.49 | wols | linuxchick: no go and troll elsewhere |
| 16:34.52 | zinx | linuxchick: which isn't debian. only debian is debian. |
| 16:34.57 | wols | linuxchick: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 16:35.05 | linuxchick | i have never had a problem running anything debian can the exacrt same way |
| 16:35.19 | linuxchick | exact |
| 16:35.35 | Ch0Hag | This is open source. If you do not do things the Debian way then you are clearly a rebel. |
| 16:35.38 | Ch0Hag | Or something. |
| 16:35.42 | Ch0Hag | Co-operation is not an option. |
| 16:36.16 | linuxchick | yes but what about aking debian questions? |
| 16:36.25 | Ch0Hag | I don't know. |
| 16:36.27 | wols | Ch0Hag: it's fine if you don't do things the debian way, encouraged even. just don't expect support here then |
| 16:36.28 | zinx | linuxchick: you will get debian answers |
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| 16:36.35 | zinx | linuxchick: if they don't work, then you're SOL. |
| 16:36.35 | cast | linuxchick: we've long ago answered your question, also. |
| 16:36.35 | linuxchick | i also have a debian only computer |
| 16:36.54 | linuxchick | i know |
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| 16:37.01 | linuxchick | i'm not asking for anymore help |
| 16:37.07 | linuxchick | i'm just talking now |
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| 16:37.12 | Ch0Hag | It's funny, that. |
| 16:37.29 | karmatronic | linuxchick: so you re a girl ? |
| 16:37.30 | wols | < linuxchick> i'm just trolling now |
| 16:37.36 | Ch0Hag | These channels (any chanenl, really) insist they're not a support channel, but then always assume you're after support. |
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| 16:37.47 | cast | Ch0Hag: we do? |
| 16:37.49 | wols | Ch0Hag: we ARE a support channel |
| 16:37.49 | Ch0Hag | I was chatting amiably in #Asterisk the other day and they kept trying to solve a problem I didn't have. |
| 16:37.54 | zinx | Ch0Hag: this channel *IS* a support channel. |
| 16:37.56 | krazykit | Ch0Hag: er, this IS a support channel |
| 16:38.02 | wols | Ch0Hag: stop being OT |
| 16:38.15 | linuxchick | i asked my question and got my answer |
| 16:38.25 | Ch0Hag | Ah yes, OT, that most heinous of crimes. |
| 16:38.25 | linuxchick | i'm just happy to sit and listen now |
| 16:38.33 | krazykit | linuxchick: so why are you still talking then? |
| 16:38.33 | Ch0Hag | Heaven forbid anybody should just chatter. |
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| 16:38.48 | linuxchick | because i was asked questions |
| 16:38.57 | wols | Ch0Hag: chatter on a 700 people channel gets messy if some of them need support. please respect that |
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| 16:39.18 | edistar | why don't you just stop this discussion? |
| 16:39.34 | linuxchick | no disrespect but i have only seen about 5 people talk in here |
| 16:39.34 | Ch0Hag | Because it's Sunday afternoon, I'm bored, and nothing is happening. |
| 16:39.42 | zinx | !sunday |
| 16:39.42 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 16:40.16 | Ch0Hag | Should a couple of hundred people descend on the channel to start asking whatever inane questions they can come up with, I'll probably find something better to do. |
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| 16:40.57 | Ch0Hag | karmatronic: OT! OT! |
| 16:41.16 | Ch0Hag | Unless your house runs Debian I suppose... |
| 16:41.29 | linuxchick | i run debian |
| 16:41.33 | karmatronic | Ch0Hag: it runs xebian, is it ok ? |
| 16:41.35 | linuxchick | i also run xebian |
| 16:41.38 | edistar | i have an idea, just kick everyone here, then there shouldn't be any problem whatsoever anymore .P |
| 16:41.41 | edistar | :P |
| 16:41.43 | wols | acydlord: isn't that something heinous unspeakable non-debianish? |
| 16:41.56 | wols | erm, cast: ^^ |
| 16:41.56 | Ch0Hag | karmatronic: I don't think so. Keep quiet about it, though, and perhaps nobody will notice. |
| 16:41.56 | zinx | edistar: it's been done before |
| 16:42.03 | karmatronic | :) |
| 16:42.19 | linuxchick | so what i am asking isn't off topic |
| 16:42.24 | cast | linuxchick: i have an idea. how about learn how to get the usb-dvd working in your debian box. |
| 16:42.41 | linuxchick | anything i resolve with my debian computer i will also apply to my debian pc |
| 16:42.55 | linuxchick | thats what i am trying to do |
| 16:43.13 | linuxchick | i never said i was asking for xebian help |
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| 16:43.24 | linuxchick | i just stated i was working on a project |
| 16:43.26 | Ch0Hag | So - what are the pros and cons of hacking ifupdown to configure the interfaces file from debconf rather than manually? |
| 16:43.30 | edistar | linuxchick: that would be a 'bad hack', the way you are trying to get support;) |
| 16:43.39 | Ch0Hag | Given that the 'adminstrator' of the machine I build will be a daemon of some sort. |
| 16:43.44 | linuxchick | thats not what i am doing |
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| 16:44.53 | linuxchick | i have like 6 projects going on right now and i was just saying the xebian one because i thought you guys would think it was interesting |
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| 16:45.21 | linuxchick | i need help with my debain amd sempron 2800+ |
| 16:45.26 | edistar | linuxchick: it's ok |
| 16:45.33 | Ch0Hag | linuxchick: That one might be allowed. |
| 16:45.44 | edistar | linuxchick: what is exactly the problem then? |
| 16:45.49 | smacnay | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.50 | Ch0Hag | I don't remember signing a rules waiver when I wandered in but I guess we all must have. |
| 16:45.52 | linuxchick | i'm sorry if i dont explain myself well |
| 16:46.06 | Ch0Hag | Perhaps it was like one of the MS EULAs that apply even though they're on the inside of the box. |
| 16:46.10 | cast | smacnay: yes, non-us was there due to US crypto export law, the laws got laxed and it is not needed anymore |
| 16:46.10 | edistar | smacnay: there is only the us one |
| 16:46.17 | linuxchick | i'm not good with communication |
| 16:46.28 | edistar | linuxchick: don't ramble, just start |
| 16:46.33 | linuxchick | and i get tossed a lot for it |
| 16:46.37 | smacnay | cast: and there is a "security" repository? |
| 16:46.51 | edistar | smacnay: the us repo |
| 16:47.04 | Ch0Hag | linuxchick: Speaking of communication, you can use 'tossed' like that. |
| 16:47.04 | cast | smacnay: there is security.debian.org, yes |
| 16:47.07 | linuxchick | so while i'm working on my pc i cant chat in here with you guys? |
| 16:47.14 | smacnay | cast: thanks |
| 16:47.15 | Ch0Hag | Methinks perhaps you are not British. :) |
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| 16:47.41 | edistar | linuxchick: you can but don't create problems everywhere :P |
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| 16:47.56 | linuxchick | i'm working then need advice work need advice... |
| 16:47.57 | smacnay | thanks |
| 16:47.57 | suppaman | hi |
| 16:48.03 | linuxchick | ok thanks |
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| 16:48.24 | edistar | linuxchick: so what exactly is the problem then? |
| 16:48.38 | linuxchick | i really want to fit in the linux world but i always mess it up |
| 16:48.40 | raboof | /var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d/C/CharterBT-BoldItalic.pfa is a dangling symlink, which is the cause of iceweasel crashing |
| 16:48.51 | raboof | how do I find out where that came from? |
| 16:49.00 | raboof | what is the proper way to remove it? |
| 16:49.05 | linuxchick | there is not really a problem i just dont know how to mount a usb dvd drive |
| 16:49.16 | Ch0Hag | linuxchick: Perhaps you are not arrogant enough. |
| 16:49.28 | Ch0Hag | You need an ego bigger than the internet to fit in properly. |
| 16:49.30 | linuxchick | i'm still reading about it |
| 16:49.36 | linuxchick | lol |
| 16:49.43 | linuxchick | ok fuck you pricks! |
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| 16:49.53 | Ch0Hag | Now we're getting somewhere :) |
| 16:49.53 | linuxchick | ;p |
| 16:49.58 | edistar | linuxchick: mount it on startup always, or only once? |
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| 16:50.12 | cast | can you two just message each other, Ch0Hag / linuxchick. |
| 16:50.12 | linuxchick | i want an auto mount |
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| 16:50.22 | Ch0Hag | That wouldn't be nearly as much fun. |
| 16:50.28 | stew | Ch0Hag: please keep it on-topic |
| 16:50.34 | stew | linuxchick: have a look at ivman |
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| 16:50.37 | Ch0Hag | I'd miss all the join/part spam. |
| 16:50.51 | linuxchick | he wouldn't know what to do with me alone |
| 16:50.53 | linuxchick | lol |
| 16:50.56 | Ch0Hag | linuxchick: I presume the kernel has seen the device and created the node in /dev? |
| 16:51.05 | ab3l | hi i noticed something strange: compiled kernel (with source at kernel.org) then did yaird -o initrd.img-2.6.21-5 but the new initrd is 75% smaller then previous |
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| 16:51.12 | stew | linuxchick: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:51.15 | Ch0Hag | Perhaps, perhaps not, but the other half would certainly be rather upset. |
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| 16:51.28 | stew | Ch0Hag: please keep it on-topic |
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| 16:51.57 | ab3l | 2.6.18-4-686 was 4.3mb this is 1.3mb |
| 16:52.25 | cast | ab3l: have a look in the initrd, its just a cpio |
| 16:52.37 | suppaman | I have a debian box connected to internet with eth21 interface and I'd like to allow a computer connected on eth2 to reach the internet too, usually I simple follow the Masquerading Made Simple HOWTO but I wonder if there's a debian-way to do that. Does it exist? |
| 16:52.39 | ab3l | but it will work ? |
| 16:52.40 | h7-26 | i have a hp compaq nx8220 that does not wake up from suspend to ram (black screen) - what can i do to make supend to ram work correct? |
| 16:52.41 | cast | ab3l: then you can compare your custom to the debian stock - see what the difference is |
| 16:52.50 | suppaman | s/simple/simply |
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| 16:52.58 | cydork | suppaman: /msg dpkg ipmasq |
| 16:53.00 | Ch0Hag | suppaman: Package ipmasq if you want something basic. |
| 16:53.13 | hark | linuxchick: try thunar-volman, as you'e running xfce |
| 16:53.21 | Ch0Hag | A full-on firewall like shorewall is probably a good idea though. |
| 16:53.32 | suppaman | Ch0Hag: why ? |
| 16:53.35 | linuxchick | nothing..... |
| 16:53.41 | Ch0Hag | Because a firewall is always a good idea. |
| 16:53.43 | feathers | <3 shorewall |
| 16:53.51 | suppaman | Ch0Hag: always is a heavy word |
| 16:54.08 | ab3l | cast, why also yaird says unknown kernel version if i type yaird -o initrd.img-2.6.21-5 2.6.21-5 ? |
| 16:54.21 | Ch0Hag | And because my latest project involves much shorewall hackery, so I want to spread my misery uh joy among as many others as I can. |
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| 16:54.28 | stew | ab3l: does /lib/modules/2.6.21-5 exist? |
| 16:54.29 | CharminTheMoose | how do i copy a bunch of directories recursivly and keep the paths absolute? cp /mnt/hda1/back/d/s/s/sa/ . and still have in the . directory mnt/hda1/s/s/s/sa? |
| 16:54.30 | lugment4 | Helo! |
| 16:54.35 | Zesturian | Will a format totally void my chances of using disk forensic techniques to get at some deleted files? |
| 16:54.39 | edistar | lugment4: hey |
| 16:54.46 | ab3l | is still building modules |
| 16:54.55 | lugment4 | is any advisable advantage storing you're bind zone fdata in mysql ? |
| 16:54.56 | suppaman | Ch0Hag: the debian box itself is connected to a WiFi router that is connected to an eth router that is connected to another router I don't think my box is easily reached from the internet |
| 16:55.00 | krazykit | Zesturian: no, but it'll make it harder. |
| 16:55.04 | linuxchick | ch0nag... |
| 16:55.09 | Ch0Hag | linuxchick: Da? |
| 16:55.15 | linuxchick | no dice |
| 16:55.26 | hark | linuxchick: and make sure you're added to the plugdev group |
| 16:55.27 | Zesturian | krazykit, any tools you suggest? |
| 16:55.29 | Ch0Hag | The kernel says nothing when you plug it in? |
| 16:55.42 | stew | linuxchick: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 16:55.47 | h7-26 | what can i do to make etch comming back from suspend-to-ram? |
| 16:55.48 | linuxchick | i'm not that advanced |
| 16:55.49 | krazykit | Zesturian: nope. when i delete something important, i usually swear a lot. |
| 16:55.54 | b_jonas | I fired up winecfg and is surprised that it's a windows program |
| 16:55.57 | suppaman | the whole thing is I'm going to install debian on the ibook so I won't be able to use airport extreme anymore, thus I have to share an ethernet card of the debian box |
| 16:55.59 | Ch0Hag | I see. |
| 16:56.01 | lugment4 | anyone knows this please? |
| 16:56.07 | linuxchick | i just need a usb mount gui |
| 16:56.09 | zinx | b_jonas: wine is funny like that |
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| 16:56.17 | feathers | Can you build backports from Lenny the same as you would from Sid? |
| 16:56.21 | stew | linuxchick: you aren't advanced enough to type "uname -r" into a prompt? |
| 16:56.24 | Zesturian | Past that stage krazykit :P |
| 16:56.28 | valdyn | feathers: yes |
| 16:56.31 | cast | feathers: sure, no inherent difference |
| 16:56.36 | linuxchick | it said command not found |
| 16:56.38 | feathers | Okay, thanks :) |
| 16:56.38 | zinx | b_jonas: what may surprise you more is that it's a .exe.so rather than a windows executable |
| 16:56.48 | krazykit | suppaman: airport extreme is a broadcom card, isn't it? there might be drivers for it |
| 16:56.48 | Ch0Hag | run dmesg|grep scd (or dmesg|grep sr) to see if its found /dev/scd0 or /dev/sr0, which will be your usb drive. |
| 16:56.58 | suppaman | krazykit: that'd be a great news |
| 16:57.01 | zinx | b_jonas: so it's a windows program that won't run on windows. |
| 16:57.07 | Ch0Hag | I presume the xbox's internal dvd drive is neither scsi nor sata. |
| 16:57.07 | b_jonas | oh, I don't really care about its internals, I'm just surprised that it looks and behaves like a windows program |
| 16:57.09 | stew | linuxchick: what said command not found? |
| 16:57.14 | suppaman | krazykit: and yes, it is Broadcom |
| 16:57.17 | krazykit | suppaman: i'd check lspci to see the exact chipset. i THINK it's bcm43xx, but i'm not sure |
| 16:57.18 | b_jonas | obviously it won't run on other windows version than wine |
| 16:57.25 | linuxchick | i'm not worried about xbox |
| 16:57.31 | suppaman | krazykit: I have to install deb first |
| 16:57.32 | Ch0Hag | Oh are you on a PC now? |
| 16:57.37 | linuxchick | i have a ide lg 20x dl dvd burner |
| 16:57.46 | suppaman | krazykit: and I need an internet connection as I'm going to netinst |
| 16:57.53 | Ch0Hag | IDE is fine. That'll be /dev/h* not /dev/s* |
| 16:57.54 | linuxchick | in a usb enclosure |
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| 16:57.59 | krazykit | suppaman: ah. that'd complicated it wouldn't it :P |
| 16:58.00 | Ch0Hag | s* is scsi, which includes sata and usb |
| 16:58.02 | azeem | linuxchick: can you please answer stew? |
| 16:58.25 | suppaman | krazykit: why ? |
| 16:58.36 | ab3l | stew, so i must create initrd *AFTER* when make modules finishes ? |
| 16:58.38 | linuxchick | uname |
| 16:58.39 | linuxchick | -r |
| 16:58.46 | krazykit | suppaman: cuz you still have to set up ipmasq or whatever. i thought you had debian installed already. |
| 16:59.00 | Ch0Hag | uname fails? That's not good. |
| 16:59.13 | linuxchick | pm ch0nag? |
| 16:59.20 | azeem | linuxchick: uname is a core command which will be available. |
| 16:59.27 | valdyn | linuxchick: the command is 'uname -r' one command, one line |
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| 16:59.36 | stew | ab3l: yes. and in general the recommended thing to do would be to use make-kpkg, and pass it the --initrd option, this will create a debian package that automatically builds an initrd when it is installed, /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:59.36 | suppaman | krazykit: I have debian on the compatible |
| 16:59.55 | linuxchick | ok |
| 16:59.58 | suppaman | krazykit: it has been running for years |
| 17:00.07 | linuxchick | it did nothing then went back to my root |
| 17:00.19 | b_jonas | I wonder if I should run the installers for winword and excel under wine or copy the already installed files to wine's c: drive |
| 17:00.36 | ab3l | stew, i skipped make-kpkg 'cause boot begins from a cd |
| 17:00.41 | b_jonas | that is, which one I should try first and try the other if it fails |
| 17:00.47 | hark | b_jonas: check appdb.winehq.org |
| 17:00.48 | krazykit | suppaman: ah. |
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| 17:00.52 | Ch0Hag | b_jonas: Installer. You very likely have libraries all over your system drive. |
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| 17:01.12 | cast | b_jonas: could specify your windows install as your wine root, too |
| 17:01.13 | suppaman | ipmasq doesn't do dummy-config |
| 17:01.27 | Ch0Hag | linuxchick: Paste the uname command. |
| 17:01.29 | Ch0Hag | But not in here. |
| 17:01.36 | Ch0Hag | People will get upset if you flood the channel. |
| 17:01.39 | b_jonas | Ch0Hag: obviously I'd copy all of my system root, but it would clash a bit with wine's windows directory as the path of both is c:\windows |
| 17:01.52 | edistar | Ch0Hag: uname -a is one line.. |
| 17:01.56 | stew | uname should work on anything resembling unix |
| 17:02.07 | Ch0Hag | edistar: Start a trend if you want :P |
| 17:02.18 | Ch0Hag | Anyway I wanted a bit of context, because apparently this command is failing. |
| 17:02.45 | b_jonas | I have a copy of my whole working dos/win31 system which got quite stable and unchanging in the years as I started to use linux a lot |
| 17:02.53 | suppaman | dpkg says "If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy." and I did it, but what interfaces are NATted now? |
| 17:02.54 | dpkg | okay, suppaman |
| 17:02.58 | suppaman | I'm not that happy |
| 17:03.11 | stew | dpkg forget says "If all you want |
| 17:03.12 | dpkg | stew: i forgot says "if all you want |
| 17:03.16 | Ch0Hag | I think it masq's everything over whatever provides your default route. |
| 17:03.18 | wols | suppaman: the debconf ipmasq ran asked you for a public interface |
| 17:03.19 | Ch0Hag | Could be wrong though. |
| 17:03.26 | suppaman | wols: it didn't |
| 17:03.33 | suppaman | wols: it asked for PP |
| 17:03.35 | suppaman | PPP |
| 17:03.40 | wols | suppaman: then ppp it is |
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| 17:04.11 | Ch0Hag | suppaman: And if you wanted ethernet, you can just live with ppp and be happy with it. |
| 17:04.20 | wols | suppaman: is one of your itnerfaces with a public IP? |
| 17:04.22 | suppaman | wols: and I obviously said "no" to PPP |
| 17:04.23 | wols | cause there can only be one |
| 17:04.25 | b_jonas | however, apart from its own libraries and not moved to another path, I know winword doesn't require too many windows drivers because I've started it on win95 without reinstalling |
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| 17:04.35 | wols | Ch0Hag: can you stop trolling? |
| 17:04.39 | suppaman | wols: public i.e. on internet ? |
| 17:04.42 | Ch0Hag | Sorry. |
| 17:04.46 | wols | suppaman: yes |
| 17:04.48 | Ch0Hag | I keep forgetting that conversation is banned. |
| 17:04.57 | b_jonas | though I didn't actually use it that way, I installed a separate winword to win95 |
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| 17:05.15 | suppaman | wols: nope, the debian box has two interfaces 192.168.0.18 and 192.168.2.18 both local |
| 17:05.15 | azeem | Ch0Hag: there's #debian-offtopic if you fancy conversation |
| 17:05.15 | b_jonas | is it annoying that I'm talking about windows stuff here? is there a wine support channel? |
| 17:05.35 | Ch0Hag | You vill not have zee sense of humour! |
| 17:05.42 | wols | suppaman: which one has default route? and why do you want NAT on a box with only local interfaces? |
| 17:05.51 | b_jonas | hark: http://appdb.winehq.org/ won't respond to me |
| 17:06.05 | suppaman | because 192.168.0.1 route to the internet |
| 17:06.41 | acydlord | anyone have any pownce invites left? |
| 17:06.41 | wols | suppaman: then it probably uses that. but that doesn't answer my question: you already are most likely behind a NAT. why another one? |
| 17:06.48 | suppaman | wols: again I'm going to lost WiFi connection on the ibook as I'm going to install debian so I have to share the connection from the linux box to get the packages for netinst |
| 17:06.49 | ab3l | <b_jonas> try using cxoffice (wine-based) that supports all redmon's office suite up to office 2003 |
| 17:06.56 | Ch0Hag | suppaman: ISTR ipmasq trying to be clever about local networks. Invariable clever software never is, but I think there's a relatively straightforward way around it. |
| 17:07.05 | Ch0Hag | Try dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq |
| 17:07.12 | wols | suppaman: makes no sense. you are already behind a ANT, why double it? |
| 17:07.21 | b_jonas | still I think unless I read something in the docs that make me change my mind, I'll try the installers first |
| 17:07.23 | wols | *ANT |
| 17:07.24 | stew | acydlord: please keep it on-topic |
| 17:07.34 | Ch0Hag | You may need to specify the priority with dpkg-reconfigure -plow ipmasq |
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| 17:07.49 | suppaman | wols: if you read what I wrote it makes sense, let me explaing again: I'm on an ibook and willing to install debian |
| 17:07.53 | stew | Ch0Hag: low is the default prority anyway |
| 17:07.58 | raboof | what tool do I use to get a list of all dangling symlinks in a dir tree? |
| 17:08.06 | metbsd | anyone know a site for free webhosting ? |
| 17:08.08 | b_jonas | ab3l: this is a dual-boot windows machine and there's another windows-only machine in the house so I don't think I need that |
| 17:08.13 | b_jonas | I can run office xp on them |
| 17:08.14 | azeem | metbsd: ask elsewhere |
| 17:08.21 | Ch0Hag | I thought so, but I wasn't sure. |
| 17:08.32 | ab3l | <b_jonas> so what u need from wine ' |
| 17:08.36 | hark | b_jonas: ah, they're offline.. seems they're doing some upgrades (winehq.com) |
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| 17:08.51 | suppaman | wols: actually the ibook is connected via Airport but I'll (probably) loose wifi connection for lack of drivers so I have to use eth, I have a debian box here that will remain connected via wifi so I'm going to share an ethernet port of its |
| 17:08.59 | b_jonas | ab3l: the good old office suits that were before redmond started to go downhill |
| 17:09.04 | b_jonas | and some nostalgy |
| 17:09.11 | b_jonas | hark: thanks |
| 17:09.18 | linuxchick | i'm sorry i'm falling asleep |
| 17:09.21 | suppaman | wols: is it better ? |
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| 17:09.41 | wols | suppaman: no. for what you want a bridge is suited btter, but nvm. NAT will work |
| 17:09.43 | suppaman | Ch0Hag: should I say yes to the pppd question ? |
| 17:09.47 | linuxchick | i've been up 20 hours now |
| 17:09.53 | Ch0Hag | Only if you use ppp. |
| 17:09.58 | b_jonas | ab3l: and I still have openoffice 2 and if it fails I can use google documents to convert winword/excel docs |
| 17:09.58 | wols | suppaman: no. you don't have ppp |
| 17:09.59 | linuxchick | i'm going to sleep |
| 17:10.02 | suppaman | wols: a bridge between what ? |
| 17:10.05 | Ch0Hag | linuxchick: Then go to bed. It'll all be clearer in the morning. |
| 17:10.07 | linuxchick | thanks ch0nag |
| 17:10.13 | wols | suppaman: your 2 NICs |
| 17:10.14 | linuxchick | yes |
| 17:10.14 | Ch0Hag | Everything always is. |
| 17:10.28 | linuxchick | hope to see you in here later |
| 17:10.29 | ab3l | <b_jonas> so u just wanna be able to run office'95 && 97 ? and without a reson for it ? |
| 17:10.36 | linuxchick | night/day |
| 17:10.44 | b_jonas | ab3l: no, winword 2 and excel 5 and possibly winword 6 |
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| 17:11.08 | b_jonas | you know, I worked on a spreadsheet with excel calc yesterday |
| 17:11.14 | b_jonas | oo calc that is |
| 17:11.17 | b_jonas | and I got angry on it |
| 17:11.20 | wols | b_jonas: why would you want to run win31 office software? |
| 17:11.28 | b_jonas | wols: they're good |
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| 17:11.36 | b_jonas | they have almost all the features in the newer ones |
| 17:11.41 | Ch0Hag | wols: Is "because I want to" not enough? |
| 17:11.48 | suppaman | wols: that's not an AP actually, the real situation is 192.168.0.1 (router) - WiFi router with two ifaces 192.168.0 and 192.168.1 - debian box with two ifaces 192.168.1 and 192.168.2 |
| 17:11.50 | b_jonas | except that of course they can't read the formats of the newer ones |
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| 17:12.09 | Ch0Hag | Also, I would bet good money that wine has a much easier time with them than their modern bloated incestuous cousins. |
| 17:12.23 | suppaman | wols: so bridgin the two ifaces on the debian box would lead me to be like directly connected to the WiFi router but still on 192.168.1 |
| 17:12.26 | b_jonas | the only improvement in later winwords is the better handling of bulletting and numbering |
| 17:12.27 | wols | suppaman: your debian has 2 NICs. you can bridge them. if you want. but nvm. double (or triple?) NAT will work |
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| 17:12.45 | suppaman | wols: yes let's got with NAT |
| 17:12.49 | b_jonas | and excel has a minor improvement too namely merged cells |
| 17:12.53 | suppaman | wols: s/got/go/ |
| 17:12.55 | b_jonas | but apart from that the old ones are better |
| 17:13.08 | b_jonas | however, rest assured that I don't want to use the old offices exclusively |
| 17:13.09 | ab3l | <b_jonas> ok so why don't you try running with cross over ? |
| 17:13.14 | Ch0Hag | And, of course, MS office costs money. Which is a waste when you've no reason to upgrade. |
| 17:13.20 | b_jonas | I'll still have openoffice and office xp |
| 17:13.31 | b_jonas | cross over? |
| 17:13.48 | b_jonas | what does that mean? |
| 17:13.51 | ab3l | <b_jonas> some kind of re-styled wine |
| 17:13.52 | Ch0Hag | b_jonas: Does word/excel have trouble installing in wine? |
| 17:13.58 | suppaman | wols: I'm at the pppd question, and I say no, right ? |
| 17:14.06 | b_jonas | Ch0Hag: I don't know, I'm just starting to do it |
| 17:14.13 | b_jonas | so I don't know if it has problems |
| 17:14.14 | ab3l | which is "made-to-support" m$ suites |
| 17:14.19 | wols | suppaman: you already got your answer. twice |
| 17:14.20 | Ch0Hag | I'd go for the installer then. |
| 17:14.37 | b_jonas | yep, I think I'll go with that too |
| 17:14.38 | Ch0Hag | I reckon it'll go fine. Windows 3 software was never as weird as 9x and up. |
| 17:14.47 | b_jonas | but I first read some of the wine docs |
| 17:14.53 | b_jonas | and do some wine config |
| 17:14.56 | Ch0Hag | You can always backup your .wine in case anything goes horribly wrong. |
| 17:15.25 | suppaman | wols: ok, I just wanted to make it step-by-step |
| 17:15.27 | b_jonas | Ch0Hag: yea, and that old software is also more stable |
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| 17:16.05 | suppaman | wols: so it warns me that ipmasq will recompute rules if a /etc/ipmasq/ppp file is present |
| 17:16.32 | suppaman | wols: then it asks when ipmasq should be started and I say after ifaces are brought up |
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| 17:17.11 | b_jonas | how much memory can win31 applications use with wine? |
| 17:17.22 | b_jonas | I think with win311 I was limited to 32M or 64M |
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| 17:17.51 | azeem | b_jonas: I suggest asking in #winehq |
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| 17:17.58 | wols | wine is a linux process and has not such limits. we don't know about windows limits |
| 17:18.27 | Enverex | Wine's Windows 3.1 support is rather weak afaik as it's not been touched for centuries |
| 17:18.28 | b_jonas | azeem: oh thanks |
| 17:18.45 | b_jonas | for some reason I couldn't find the channel |
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| 17:19.40 | b_jonas | Enverex: it doesn't need to be touched really. win311 worked perfectly for me for a very long time without having to be touched |
| 17:19.48 | suppaman | wols: so you said it probably uses the right interface |
| 17:19.53 | b_jonas | I stopped using it when you could no longer get drivers for it |
| 17:19.59 | b_jonas | especially video card drivers |
| 17:20.06 | valdyn | win 3.1 already has the win32 api |
| 17:20.19 | wols | suppaman: just check yourself |
| 17:20.20 | b_jonas | valdyn: in a separate program only |
| 17:20.32 | wols | valdyn: no |
| 17:20.43 | wols | valdyn: it had win32s. cut down vresion of win32 |
| 17:20.47 | h7-25 | any acpi gurus in here? |
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| 17:21.05 | zamuro | !anyone |
| 17:21.05 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 17:21.26 | Enverex | b_jonas, Erm, I was talking about Wine, not Windows 3.1 itself |
| 17:21.36 | amon__ | Why did they change FireFox, to "IceWeasel" --- was Mozilla going to sue Debian?? |
| 17:21.46 | smacnay | update-grub just updates the boot menu and would report errors if some were found? |
| 17:21.49 | Enverex | For what exactly? |
| 17:21.54 | azeem | amon__: Mozilla.com requested it, yes |
| 17:22.05 | Enverex | amon__, No, it's because Moz Foundation is anal about anyone applying patches for any reason |
| 17:22.12 | amon__ | azeem, :/ |
| 17:22.29 | amon__ | Heh, next they will probably take all that volunteer work and close the code |
| 17:22.34 | h7-25 | zamuro: well since i got no answer to my question i was stating i a little more general :-) |
| 17:23.10 | ab3l | stew, now modules has finished, did make modules_install and /lib/modules/2.6.21.5 is populated but still the initrd created by yaird is 1.3mb in size |
| 17:23.22 | wols | amon__: then there will be a fork. moz foundation trademarked their images and names and won't allow anyone to use them if they don't use binaries directly from mozilla.com |
| 17:23.35 | Ch0Hag | Will the volatile gpg key be included in future releases? |
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| 17:23.48 | ringo999 | in order to install debian, i tried to run gparted resizing ntfs partition, but im gettings ntfsresize error 22. it says to read the ntfsresize faq, but the site for that file seems to be down: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html - :-( |
| 17:23.56 | b_jonas | Enverex: oh, sorry |
| 17:24.10 | b_jonas | but still |
| 17:24.14 | amon__ | I see, well besides IceWeasel I think i'm going to stick to Opera, sure it's close source - but it has always been - Mozilla seems to be taking all that volunteer work and slamming the doors behind them. |
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| 17:24.24 | b_jonas | if win31 support was great once, I don't see why it would have to be touched |
| 17:24.41 | b_jonas | as win31 didn't change either and the programs I'll run neither |
| 17:25.33 | azeem | b_jonas: because wine evolved and the win31 didn't get updated for it |
| 17:25.34 | valdyn | amon__: that's not possible |
| 17:25.35 | stew | ab3l: why does the size of the initrd matter? |
| 17:25.37 | Enverex | b_jonas, Hopefully it should be great then |
| 17:25.38 | azeem | this is called `bitrot' |
| 17:25.54 | b_jonas | yep, that's true |
| 17:26.05 | b_jonas | well, I'll try |
| 17:26.09 | amon__ | valdyn, I think you'd be surprised what's possible :P |
| 17:26.18 | sn- | ringo999 tried google cache/ web.archive.org ? |
| 17:26.22 | Enverex | azeem, Other than it causing Wine to fail to build due to changes in compilers, it shouldn't happen really |
| 17:26.28 | valdyn | anordby: hardly, read the license |
| 17:26.30 | Ch0Hag | It's probably a crime to run such a powerful computer with only a 500MB hard drive. |
| 17:26.38 | ab3l | stew, cause i guess it is strange that 2.6.28 is 4.3mb compressed and 10mb uncompressed while 2.6.21-5 is 1.3 compressed and 2.9 uncompresse |
| 17:26.38 | amon__ | Actually I doubt they would do it - it would cost too much for all the paid coders hehe |
| 17:26.39 | ab3l | *d |
| 17:26.41 | valdyn | amon__: hardly, read the license |
| 17:26.47 | sn- | its best to scandisk the ntfs and then defrag it in win first before resizing |
| 17:27.39 | ab3l | *2.6.18 |
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| 17:36.51 | Debdict | hi...i got a g3 here with a mouse with one button. how do i configure xorg.conf to use a key + mouse button as second mouse button? |
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| 17:41.52 | nn | how can it be that I do "dpkg --set-selections packagelist" and "dpkg --get-selections" still shows up an unchanged list afterwards? |
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| 17:42.27 | stew | nn: you want "dpkg --set-selections < packagelist" |
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| 17:42.41 | nn | yes typo |
| 17:42.49 | nn | that is what I did |
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| 17:43.02 | Debdict | how do i xmodmap Super_L + Left Mouse button == Right Mouse button |
| 17:43.54 | stew | Debdict: perhaps try asking in #debianppc |
| 17:44.06 | Debdict | stew: thx |
| 17:44.13 | stew | nn: what was an example of a line from 'packagelist' that you think should have changed something? |
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| 17:44.41 | jgjones_ | Greetings |
| 17:45.02 | jgjones_ | I have a wee problem with a network configuration |
| 17:45.04 | nn | stew: sth. like "pwm install" |
| 17:45.47 | nn | does --set-selections care about dependencies? |
| 17:45.53 | stew | nn: no |
| 17:46.12 | nn | then I don't understand what's going wrong |
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| 17:46.25 | jgjones_ | I've got ebox-platform 0.9.3 - and two NIC. Both NIC are set as static in ebox however for one of them - it lose its IP and reverts to a DHCP setting. The NIC is a Intel PRO PT-1000 and using e1000 driver. |
| 17:46.52 | peter_ | !! Hello ;> At last! Session? Checked ;))) |
| 17:46.53 | jgjones_ | in command line if I then do ebox network restart - it's back to normal. |
| 17:47.04 | wols | jgjones_: ebox? |
| 17:47.15 | jgjones_ | www.ebox-platform.com |
| 17:47.25 | jgjones_ | it runs on Debian Sarge. |
| 17:47.48 | wols | !onfo ebox |
| 17:47.51 | wols | !info ebox |
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| 17:48.15 | wols | it may run on it, but it'S certainly not part of debian. maybe ask ebox devs what they're doing |
| 17:48.21 | wols | all we do is edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:48.56 | jgjones__ | !info ebox |
| 17:49.22 | solar345 | hey all |
| 17:49.24 | solar345 | aclocal is a part of which package |
| 17:49.26 | solar345 | apt-cache search aclocal returned nothing |
| 17:49.36 | jgjones__ | I know it's prob not a question for this channel - but ebox channel is a bit dead |
| 17:49.42 | wols | solar345: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:49.59 | wols | jgjones_: /msg dpkg they don't know |
| 17:50.27 | wols | jgjones_: we can tell you a debian solution only. not a ebox solution. and that one I already told you |
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| 17:53.52 | nn | stew: I just tried to modify a single line of the "--get-selections" output and then reread the configuration with "--set-selections".. nothing happened |
| 17:54.07 | peter_ | I have Question: anybody knows problem of closing iceweasel/ff without any reason? |
| 17:54.12 | jgjones__ | OK no worries |
| 17:54.23 | wols | peter_: it's called a segfault probably |
| 17:54.33 | wols | peter_: starz it via xterm |
| 17:54.38 | Enverex | peter_, Get used to it, it happens often |
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| 17:55.05 | peter_ | Enverex, but, I can fix it? |
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| 17:55.17 | Enverex | peter_, No, Firefox is unstable |
| 17:55.44 | peter_ | wols, I tried, but xterm close also, when iceweasel close |
| 17:55.52 | peter_ | Enverex, iceweasel also? |
| 17:56.07 | wols | peter_: that is can't believe. how did you start it exactly? |
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| 17:56.14 | wols | *that I |
| 17:56.16 | stew | peter_: wait, you mean you started firefox from an xterm, and when firefox crashed, so did the xterm? |
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| 17:56.31 | peter_ | wols, well... it was gnome-terminal |
| 17:56.45 | wols | still |
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| 17:57.26 | peter_ | I have launch iceweasel under xterm, let see if it works ;> |
| 17:58.24 | peter_ | Enverex, :) few years ago, while I was using aurox, FF was also closing ;> I guess it wasnt fix since now ;/ |
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| 17:59.06 | stew | i leave firefox/iceweasel running for weeks without it crashing or having to restart it |
| 17:59.10 | stew | peter_: what is aurox? |
| 17:59.12 | Bushmills | i found mine to run much more reliably since i was a bit more careful about what plugins and extensions to add |
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| 17:59.38 | peter_ | stew - http://www.aurox.org/ - polish distro |
| 18:00.17 | peter_ | there is new polish distro also, - www.uw-linux.org |
| 18:00.24 | minus_ | Is there any way to get the xfce4 menu buttin into gdesklets osxbar? |
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| 18:00.55 | minus_ | and is there anyway to make gnomes desktop thingy to start instead of xfdesktop |
| 18:01.02 | peter_ | uh, list of packages of uw-linux are in menu "Pakiety" |
| 18:01.41 | philippk_ | hii. i need some help with alsa - sound works perfectly after "alsaconf" - but after a restart i have to run alsaconf again... everytime |
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| 18:02.22 | wols | philippk_: you asked that bfore and you got answered before |
| 18:02.30 | krazykit | philippk_: a quick fix would be to add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 18:02.58 | stew | philippk_: if you know the name of the sound driver that alsaconf loads, list it in /etc/modules |
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| 18:03.07 | philippk_ | wols: i got a lot of answers and none of them worked, thus i wantet to give it a sencond... no fith shot |
| 18:03.28 | philippk_ | stew: its listed there already |
| 18:03.44 | stew | philippk_: is there also an oss driver being loaded? |
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| 18:03.58 | stew | philippk_: which driver is it that you are using? |
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| 18:04.41 | philippk_ | stew: i am using snd-hda-intel |
| 18:05.04 | philippk_ | stew: in /etc/modules there are no oss modules... |
| 18:05.24 | stew | philippk_: what i'd suggest is to reboot and save the output of 'lsmod' then run alsaconf, and run lsmod again, and compare the before and after |
| 18:05.40 | philippk_ | good idea |
| 18:05.52 | philippk_ | see you in a few minutes ;D - thx a lot for helping me |
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| 18:07.00 | ab3l | stew, u were right despite size it works - except that scanner device does not work anymore neither in old kernel neither in the new and also it says alsa-restore failed and some other block errors |
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| 18:07.55 | stew | ab3l: well your scanner / alsa have nothing to do with your initrd |
| 18:07.56 | ab3l | yeah but it is strange they stopped working ;) |
| 18:08.16 | ab3l | praticically the problem is /dev/sdb1 became /dev/sda1 |
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| 18:09.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know how VLC's move to Qt is progressing? I'm getting sick of their nasty WxWidgets UI... |
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| 18:12.06 | ribasushi | hi guys |
| 18:12.25 | ribasushi | is there a problem with the latest aptitude in unstable, or is it something wrong with my system? |
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| 18:12.42 | ribasushi | the 'Loading cache' part takes about 20 seconds now, whereas before it was less than a second |
| 18:12.49 | krazykit | ribasushi: you mean that it's super slow? |
| 18:12.57 | krazykit | yeah. |
| 18:12.59 | ribasushi | byond that :) |
| 18:13.06 | krazykit | it's /abysmal/ |
| 18:13.30 | ribasushi | ok then, "time will fix it" :) |
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| 18:14.12 | krazykit | ribasushi: remember, breakage is one of the caveats of running sid :P |
| 18:14.24 | edistar | Dark_Apostrophe: is vlc moving to qt? :-o |
| 18:15.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | edistar: Yeah |
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| 18:15.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | edistar: But it was months since I last heard anything about it |
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| 18:16.03 | philippk_ | damn who was helping me before?! i uploaded the results here: http://pastebin.ca/diff.php?id1=598905&id2=598907 |
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| 18:17.37 | edistar | Dark_Apostrophe: I just saw that ubuntu has qvlc packages already.. |
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| 18:20.28 | Ismael | Hi! Where can I find a good "route" manual? |
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| 18:22.16 | wols | philippk: the green stuff on top. snd_hda_intel and snd_pcm_oss |
| 18:22.25 | suffer` | Hello |
| 18:22.36 | cast | Ismael: man route? |
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| 18:23.20 | Ismael | cast: I was hoping for something more elaborate and descriptive |
| 18:23.28 | philippk | wols: its the same like the old stuff, isnt it?! |
| 18:24.06 | peter_ | damn, it dont wont to crash when its needed ;) |
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| 18:25.40 | edistar | Dark_Apostrophe: I just asked, #videolan, and they said in the next version |
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| 18:26.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | edistar: So did I, before you joined |
| 18:26.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | I asked here before I knew there was a #videolan |
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| 18:30.50 | smacnay | Well, I got my hand-rolled initrd kernel working and got rid of the glitches I had with the .deb one. |
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| 18:31.23 | Steakk | I Burned the debian ISO to a CD, and I see the file on there, but nothing happens when I reboot |
| 18:31.45 | Resonance | "the" file, there should be many |
| 18:32.09 | Resonance | You need to burn the ISO as an image in your burning software |
| 18:32.25 | Steakk | Image? Like a picture jpg? |
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| 18:34.59 | Resonance | No, there should be something along the lines of "Burn ISO Image" |
| 18:35.12 | Resonance | Or maybe "Burn CD Image" |
| 18:35.21 | zinx | there is |
| 18:35.28 | Steakk | OH; I see that. Let me try |
| 18:35.29 | zinx | oh, nevermind |
| 18:35.38 | Steakk | Sorry, Windows is confusing, so I am goiing to go to linux instead |
| 18:35.43 | rokra | how to do a research of channel in irssi? /list regexp works? |
| 18:36.07 | peter_ | http://pastebin.ca/598943 - what should I need to do with this ? |
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| 18:37.44 | nn | stew: I discovered that "apt-get -u dselect-upgrade" works although "dpkg --get-selections" does't show the selected packages.. |
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| 18:40.01 | nn | is there any (preferably terminal based) tool that permits viewing of the dependencies as a tree? |
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| 18:43.07 | wols | nn: apt-rdepends |
| 18:43.10 | wols | sorta tree like |
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| 18:44.09 | mc__ | does debian(or linux in general) run without problems on mac hardware? |
| 18:44.30 | krazykit | ppc or x86? |
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| 18:44.38 | Ismael | mc__: I've seen it run with no problems... |
| 18:44.54 | tarzeau | mc__: depends on the model of mac hardware |
| 18:44.58 | Scurz | I don't succeed to use the function mail() of php with apache2, my php.ini http://paste.debian.net/31773 |
| 18:45.01 | Scurz | why ? |
| 18:45.09 | mc__ | i want to buy a macbook |
| 18:45.17 | tarzeau | mc__: a new intel one, right? |
| 18:45.24 | mc__ | tarzeau: yes |
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| 18:45.36 | tarzeau | mc__: i think there's a wiki entry describing the installation |
| 18:46.05 | tarzeau | mc__: i've had not much luck getting it installed and working on a mac mini (intel), but maybe i did wrong. my livecd worked fine on it though |
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| 18:48.54 | nn | wols: can apt-rdepends show the dependency tree for _all_ installed packages? |
| 18:49.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know how to chmod +x every single file in a directory, as well as files in subdirectories? |
| 18:49.35 | nn | chmoad a+x * -R |
| 18:49.51 | ibanex | mc__: just installed it on a macbook with a few hicups |
| 18:49.57 | nn | chmod -R a+x * |
| 18:49.59 | nn | w/e |
| 18:50.01 | ibanex | mc__: but it wasnt too hard |
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| 18:50.39 | mc__ | ibanex: the integrated GPU works with hardware acceleration? |
| 18:51.38 | ibanex | mc__: don't know |
| 18:52.30 | ibanex | mc__: this is what i used tho http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 18:52.54 | ibanex | mc__: ah, you have probably gotten there : ) |
| 18:52.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: they let you back in eh ? |
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| 18:53.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: they? there's just one hero |
| 18:53.20 | mc__ | ibanex: jepp :) |
| 18:53.24 | mc__ | s/jepp/yes |
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| 18:56.15 | ibanex | mc__: at the bottom of this thread i posted a right click script (biggest problem i ran into... but easily fixed) http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/installation/84538-right-clicking-macbook.html |
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| 19:00.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: i found a new game :) |
| 19:00.37 | abrotman | go figure :) |
| 19:00.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: and it's got no makefile, want to package it? |
| 19:00.52 | abrotman | why won't you ? |
| 19:01.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can, but will you never package software for debian, not even one single package? |
| 19:01.29 | abrotman | i have .. i just didn't give it to the project |
| 19:02.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: which, what? |
| 19:02.05 | abrotman | it was non-redistributable stuff |
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| 19:02.22 | poonj | hey guys...what is a good way to clear out the /tmp directory? |
| 19:02.29 | tarzeau | poonj: reboot :) |
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| 19:02.35 | poonj | without rebooting!!! |
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| 19:02.54 | tarzeau | poonj: rm but you never know what file is needed by what process or user |
| 19:03.01 | tarzeau | poonj: why do you want to do that? |
| 19:03.05 | poonj | well |
| 19:03.19 | poonj | problem I have is that there is a perl script using apache-session |
| 19:03.23 | tarzeau | poonj: it'd be better to fix the software that doesn't clean up their mess in there? |
| 19:03.25 | poonj | and its filling up the /tmp directory |
| 19:03.32 | poonj | with files...and they are huge.. |
| 19:03.35 | tarzeau | poonj: and you don't have the source for it? |
| 19:03.36 | poonj | but I don't know how to fix that |
| 19:03.43 | abrotman | poonj: fix the script ? |
| 19:03.55 | Bushmills | poonj: on a system which is rebooted sometimes? |
| 19:03.56 | poonj | I didn't write the script... |
| 19:04.08 | poonj | Bushmills, this is a dedicated system |
| 19:04.15 | poonj | so I'm trying to not reboot |
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| 19:04.37 | Bushmills | eliminates cleaning at boot time |
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| 19:04.53 | lindylex | hello all |
| 19:05.27 | lindylex | Why do I get this error message when I try to use "apt-get update" "GPG error unknown error executing gpgv" |
| 19:05.35 | tarzeau | poonj: can we see the script? |
| 19:05.58 | sid | How can I do a full hdd backup from one hdd to another hdd, so I can boot off the second hdd? |
| 19:06.00 | suffer` | confidential |
| 19:06.09 | peter_ | lindylex, i guess you need to have a GPG key |
| 19:06.24 | lindylex | peters_ how do I do get them? |
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| 19:07.18 | lindylex | this is for http://us.debian.org stable |
| 19:07.30 | cast | sid: if they're identical you could dd it |
| 19:07.51 | poonj | tarzeau, I didn't program it |
| 19:08.00 | poonj | tarzeau, I inherited a system, so I have to do a search for it |
| 19:08.07 | nn | sid: otherwise simply use cp -ax and reinstall the boot loader afterwards |
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| 19:09.43 | frk2 | is there an alternate channel for horde other than #horde or is the channel usually dead? |
| 19:09.55 | peterS | also, are you any good at lindy hop, or are you an enthusiastic amateur? I ask merely out of curiosity |
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| 19:10.35 | lindylex | One of the best on east coast I mostly do Balboa now |
| 19:10.57 | sid | nn: How do I re-install the bootloader? |
| 19:10.59 | peterS | that's a bold statement. as for bal, I never could really get into it, though I try on occasion |
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| 19:11.17 | lindylex | Challenger Steve Bailey and Natalie Yuval many times |
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| 19:11.19 | sid | grub-install /dev/??? ? |
| 19:11.32 | nn | sid: I am not familiar with grub |
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| 19:11.36 | inFw | or execute lilo.. |
| 19:11.37 | lindylex | and you? |
| 19:11.37 | nn | sry |
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| 19:12.06 | peterS | oh, I'm an amateur. there is not much of a lindy scene here in central Kansas, so within this town I'm quite good, but that just means I'm almost a beginner anywhere else |
| 19:12.07 | sid | cast: If the source hdd is smaller than the destination hdd, can I still do dd? |
| 19:12.43 | lindylex | peterS got it |
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| 19:12.57 | nn | sid: the bootloader set up has to be renewed if the hdds are not identical anyway, so forget about dd |
| 19:13.04 | lindylex | I have been doing it for 10 years now |
| 19:13.09 | abrotman | frk2: that's it .. they'll come around sooner or later |
| 19:13.09 | peterS | sid: I wouldn't bother with that, just partition the new drive, use 'mkfs.ext3' or whatever, mount it, then 'cp -ax / /mnt/newdrive' |
| 19:13.43 | peterS | lindylex: me, less than 3 years, and there is limited opportunity for quality instruction here, so I don't feel I progress very fast |
| 19:14.36 | frk2 | its been a day without any activity on horde :P |
| 19:14.39 | frk2 | well |
| 19:14.41 | frk2 | guess thats life |
| 19:14.55 | nn | yes, it's like that |
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| 19:15.07 | lindylex | Many have moved because of that. |
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| 19:16.06 | peterS | lindylex: heh, I could move to Denver, there's quite a scene there, but I don't really want to uproot myself either (: |
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| 19:16.16 | poonj | tarzeau, apache-session is used in conjunction with Mason for a website |
| 19:16.27 | poonj | its integrated into apache |
| 19:16.30 | abrotman | frk2: it's also the weekend |
| 19:16.39 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 19:16.42 | abrotman | frk2: what kind of question is it ? |
| 19:16.43 | poonj | the funny thing is...the session files are all different sizes |
| 19:17.10 | lindylex | peterS: I choose not to move because of the same issue |
| 19:17.41 | frk2 | regarding syncml |
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| 19:17.58 | frk2 | abrotman: regarding syncml |
| 19:18.08 | abrotman | frk2: well .. i have no idea what that is .. so i doubt i'd be any help :) |
| 19:18.09 | frk2 | i would just LOVE it if horde's syncml would magically start working |
| 19:18.15 | lindylex | peterS: The scene here got weird, very religious and other strange things. |
| 19:18.43 | peterS | that is odd. I also can't afford to spend $50 for an hour even when decent instructors do come into town, so. |
| 19:19.13 | peterS | where is "here"? I'm in wichita ks. |
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| 19:20.03 | abrotman | peterS: isn't that next to timbuktu ? |
| 19:20.17 | peterS | we can almost see timbuktu from here |
| 19:20.30 | peterS | but, given how flat our state is, that doesn't necessarily mean it is close by |
| 19:20.42 | lindylex | so what the deal with /etc/apt/sources.list? I addes http://..debian.org... and I can not run apt-get update without it giving me that error |
| 19:20.46 | lindylex | how do I fix this? |
| 19:21.13 | peterS | lindylex: you have the 'gnupg' package installed? |
| 19:21.17 | abrotman | lindylex: is gpgv installed ? |
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| 19:22.36 | lindylex | peterS let me check if gnupg is installed and abrotman: I will do the same for gpgv. |
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| 19:23.36 | peterS | lindylex: well, gpgv is part of gnupg |
| 19:23.43 | lindylex | I just did something different. I did "apt-get upgrade update" on the same line this seem to be working better |
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| 19:23.46 | sid | peterS: 'mkfs.ext3' or whatever, mount it, then 'cp -ax / /mnt/newdrive', how can I make newdrive bootable than? |
| 19:23.49 | szymon_g | hi |
| 19:23.52 | szymon_g | !nvidia |
| 19:23.52 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 19:24.03 | lindylex | never mind |
| 19:24.06 | abrotman | peterS: on etch it's gpgv2 or something in gnupg ..not sure if it matters |
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| 19:24.57 | peterS | abrotman: oh, my bad |
| 19:25.13 | abrotman | you will be punished accordingly! |
| 19:25.19 | Debdict | how can i map keys to pointerkeys? |
| 19:25.20 | lindylex | abrotman: should I type this apt-get install gpgv2? |
| 19:25.34 | abrotman | lindylex: dpkg -l gpg* . is gpgv installed ? |
| 19:25.34 | Debdict | i mean |
| 19:25.40 | Debdict | map keys to mousebuttons |
| 19:25.41 | peterS | lindylex: just 'apt-get install gpgv', really |
| 19:26.22 | lindylex | command not found |
| 19:27.25 | lindylex | it says gpgv is already the newest version |
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| 19:28.25 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure this error is in the BTS |
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| 19:28.38 | peterS | right, if gpgv is already the newest version, then the problem is something else |
| 19:28.48 | lindylex | hhhmm |
| 19:28.58 | lindylex | in my list file? |
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| 19:30.08 | grendal_prime | quickest way to parce and replace something? |
| 19:30.09 | lindylex | this is what I have in the list file |
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| 19:30.41 | abrotman | grendal_prime: sed |
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| 19:31.08 | minus_ | Does anyone have a high res linuxdcpp icon or just a regular high res dc++ logo? |
| 19:31.12 | minus_ | icon* |
| 19:31.12 | grendal_prime | like if i wanted to change a line in my /boot/grub/menu.list from "default 0" to "default saved" |
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| 19:31.32 | grendal_prime | abrotman: syntax in sed always screws me up |
| 19:31.39 | lindylex | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib no-free |
| 19:31.41 | grendal_prime | but if that is simple im down |
| 19:31.57 | dvs | that's "nonfree" |
| 19:32.21 | lindylex | deb http://security.debian.org/debian stable main contrib no-free |
| 19:32.29 | abrotman | grendal_prime: uhm .. learn how to use it ? |
| 19:32.34 | dvs | nonfree! |
| 19:32.48 | lindylex | what? get rid of the non free part? |
| 19:32.57 | lindylex | what should it looklike |
| 19:33.04 | dvs | It's "nonfree" not "no-free" |
| 19:33.24 | lindylex | sorry I have non-free |
| 19:33.26 | lindylex | like that |
| 19:33.41 | lindylex | "non-free" |
| 19:34.14 | grendal_prime | im reading |
| 19:34.23 | dvs | lindylex: that's better |
| 19:34.24 | grendal_prime | abrotman: but this is due on monday |
| 19:34.27 | dvs | ;-) |
| 19:34.40 | abrotman | grendal_prime: it's really not hard |
| 19:34.44 | abrotman | !sed tutorial |
| 19:34.45 | grendal_prime | let me guess...read faster? |
| 19:34.47 | abrotman | argh |
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| 19:35.23 | dvs | cram! |
| 19:35.27 | abrotman | !sed cheats |
| 19:35.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sed cheats is see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line52.txt |
| 19:35.59 | lindylex | is there a better to add these reposiritries so I don't have these problems? |
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| 19:37.15 | inFw | abrotman: handy, thank you :) |
| 19:37.37 | abrotman | ? |
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| 19:37.46 | inFw | the sed cheats :) |
| 19:37.52 | abrotman | oh |
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| 19:44.30 | ab3l | hi, a little problem : at boot it says wait 1-2-4-8-16 seconds /bin/cat/sdb/dev or something like this with kernel 2.6.21 but not with kernel 2.6.18 why ? |
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| 19:46.40 | keyboarder | hi, what packages do i need to get the make command, and well everything to be able to compile? |
| 19:47.00 | dvs | keyboarder: build-essential |
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| 19:48.18 | keyboarder | thx |
| 19:48.25 | dvs | np |
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| 19:50.53 | ab3l | hi, a little problem : at boot it says wait 1-2-4-8-16 seconds /bin/cat/sdb/dev or something like this with kernel 2.6.21 but not with kernel 2.6.18 why ? |
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| 19:51.52 | black_ba55 | hello .. i have a problem ... when i boot i get this error no matter what kernel or distro i am trying to boot : "Inconsistem filesystem structure" |
| 19:52.11 | black_ba55 | does anyone know why or how do i solve this ? |
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| 19:54.04 | bpun | black_ba55, huh? |
| 19:54.09 | keyboarder | does anyone know something about how to crosscompile for mips? |
| 19:54.19 | black_ba55 | bpun .... what ? |
| 19:54.21 | minus_ | is there any way to netlimit the downloads in firefox? |
| 19:54.33 | minus_ | /iceweasel whatever |
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| 19:55.06 | bpun | black_ba55, your filesystem is corrupt i guess.. have you tried to e2fsck it? |
| 19:55.31 | black_ba55 | well ... it should do that automatically when it starts ... |
| 19:55.44 | black_ba55 | and the problem is that i don't have any livecd at home now |
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| 19:55.53 | szymon_g | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:55.54 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 19:55.58 | bpun | black_ba55, well better go get one.. |
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| 19:56.33 | bpun | minus_, whatta that netlimit? |
| 19:56.34 | LoGiCiAN | hello i run debian with gnome |
| 19:56.40 | cartesian1984 | Can I compile my own kernel without losing compatibility with the modules in Debian? |
| 19:56.40 | black_ba55 | i have only backtrack livecd |
| 19:56.45 | minus_ | bpun, ?? |
| 19:56.49 | LoGiCiAN | how can i switch to kde? |
| 19:56.56 | LoGiCiAN | i run just apt-get install kde? |
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| 19:56.59 | black_ba55 | but i don't know if it has reiserfsck |
| 19:57.22 | bpun | black_ba55, see if your dos partition table matches the filesystem |
| 19:57.28 | minus_ | LoGiCiAN, Yeah |
| 19:57.51 | black_ba55 | bpun .. it does ... i checked it |
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| 19:58.23 | bpun | black_ba55, then run a checkdisk against the filesystem.. i guess nothing more i can say.. other than rdev or see what it tryign to mount as root |
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| 19:58.40 | bpun | (root persay--> "/" not user root) |
| 19:58.44 | ktwilight | http://paste.debian.net/31790 <- i can't seem to install fuse, it throws an access error. i am logged in as root. |
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| 19:59.23 | black_ba55 | hmm |
| 19:59.49 | black_ba55 | i think this is due to may forced reboot ... my keyboard stopped responding so i had to press the reset button .. |
| 19:59.53 | bpun | black_ba55, check the boot line, if necessary take note of the device it's trying to mount as root.. |
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| 20:00.16 | black_ba55 | but it;s strange that even the windows partition gets the same error |
| 20:00.23 | black_ba55 | i hope it's not the hdd |
| 20:00.43 | bpun | black_ba55, then update your grub.. newer kernels changed hda to sda i think.. |
| 20:00.52 | black_ba55 | bpun ... he mounts everything correctly .. this is the first thing i checked ... |
| 20:01.12 | cartesian1984 | That is, if I compile a 2.6.18 kernel, from the Debian sources + grsecurity and other patches, I don't lose support for, for example, the squashfs modules, do I? |
| 20:01.13 | black_ba55 | i have as root /dev/sda3 .. and it mounts it correctly |
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| 20:01.52 | bpun | cartesian1984, just use the config.gz from /proc? or try using a prior config file for kernel to rebuild same mods for newer kernel.. |
| 20:02.06 | black_ba55 | i'll try that livecd :( |
| 20:02.08 | black_ba55 | brb |
| 20:02.27 | bpun | black_ba55, or use hdd generator.. possibly your disk is dying.. |
| 20:02.36 | black_ba55 | hdd what ? |
| 20:02.39 | black_ba55 | what's that ? |
| 20:03.00 | black_ba55 | you mean it doesn't get enough power ? |
| 20:03.03 | bpun | black_ba55, it's a free disk regenerator (independent of os).. |
| 20:03.09 | black_ba55 | oh |
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| 20:03.23 | black_ba55 | where do you expect me to have all those tools ? |
| 20:03.24 | black_ba55 | geez |
| 20:03.35 | bpun | black_ba55, if some sectors cannot be read/written back.. then that sector is probably causing havoc with any os.. |
| 20:04.11 | black_ba55 | ok ... i'll try with that livecd and if don't succed i'll try that program |
| 20:04.13 | black_ba55 | brb |
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| 20:04.20 | bpun | black_ba55, there's rescue cd's online available for free-- system rescue cd probably has it.. |
| 20:04.24 | blinx | http://paste.debian.net/31792 <- anyone an idea what I have to do to fix this problem? |
| 20:04.25 | monteiro | when i install nvidia drivers (from the official site), the X starts when i finish instalation, i add the word nvidia in /etc/modules, but when i restart X doesnt start, the X log says module already built-in |
| 20:04.53 | poonj | I guess I will have ato write a script |
| 20:04.57 | poonj | to clear out the /tmp files |
| 20:05.01 | wols | monteiro: why do you use nvidia.com? |
| 20:05.37 | inFw | poonj: do the files use the same basename, like script1-tmpfile-2007.. ? |
| 20:05.38 | monteiro | wols : because in the repositorys there is no nvidia driver for the kernel i'm using. |
| 20:05.49 | wols | monteiro: so? there is a kernel-source |
| 20:05.50 | abrotman | which kernel is that ? |
| 20:05.50 | poonj | inFw, no |
| 20:05.51 | inFw | poonj: you could setup a cron to rm it. |
| 20:05.55 | poonj | inFw,its based on a session ID |
| 20:05.56 | inFw | ah :( |
| 20:05.59 | cartesian1984 | There's 3D support for the ATI X300, right? In the dev trunk of the open driver? |
| 20:06.09 | bpun | monteiro, check X config |
| 20:06.16 | poonj | I'm going to do it based on time |
| 20:06.19 | poonj | and by the user |
| 20:06.31 | monteiro | wols : but why the way i'm doing isnt working ? |
| 20:06.42 | wols | monteiro: we don't know. ask nvidia. it's their software |
| 20:07.02 | monteiro | bpun : i add "nvidia" in xorg, yes, it works one time, when i restart stops working |
| 20:07.06 | wols | monteiro: we support debian. not nvidia. and with m-a, it would work, even for your kernel |
| 20:07.10 | monteiro | wols : ok |
| 20:07.28 | monteiro | wols : i'll install nvidia kernel :) , tks for the help |
| 20:07.28 | grendal_prime | abrotman: i cant find out ...grrr this line has default (two tabs) 0...i dont see how to tell it there are two tabs in there |
| 20:07.41 | grendal_prime | so i cant tell sed exactly what im looking for |
| 20:07.49 | abrotman | \\t\\t ? |
| 20:08.01 | grendal_prime | i guess i could change the 0 to saved....hmm ill look at that |
| 20:08.14 | bpun | monteiro, probably something to do having X using a buffer when switich console/graphic .. not sure how to tackle this |
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| 20:08.56 | monteiro | bpun : the best choice, i think is to install debian (from the repository) drivers. |
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| 20:09.32 | bpun | monteiro, or you can increase verbosity for system and X log.. |
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| 20:09.49 | grendal_prime | i get an error with that |
| 20:09.54 | grendal_prime | sed 's/default//t//t0/default saved/g' menu.lst |
| 20:10.03 | abrotman | \\ |
| 20:10.04 | abrotman | not // |
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| 20:10.16 | grendal_prime | gives me an unknowoops |
| 20:10.17 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 20:10.18 | grendal_prime | sorry |
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| 20:11.28 | k-os | um, i forgot to run the modules=ppp-udeb command before i started the installation, s it now too late to run it and install from an ftp server? |
| 20:11.28 | grendal_prime | nomore error but it still does nothign |
| 20:11.39 | monteiro | bpun, tks |
| 20:11.55 | simonrvn | ticks? |
| 20:12.34 | simonrvn | abrotman: \\ not // dude |
| 20:12.39 | simonrvn | :P |
| 20:12.44 | abrotman | simonrvn: ? |
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| 20:12.45 | grendal_prime | i did that |
| 20:12.53 | abrotman | simonrvn: that's what i said |
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| 20:13.10 | simonrvn | abrotman: me. pull. leg. you. |
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| 20:13.18 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:13.22 | simonrvn | :) |
| 20:13.23 | Decepticon | whats the default apache package? |
| 20:13.24 | bpun | k-os, dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 20:13.28 | simonrvn | how's it going? |
| 20:13.30 | wols | Decepticon: apache2 |
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| 20:13.44 | k-os | bpun: from what point should i run that commabd now? |
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| 20:14.29 | k-os | i have come to the point where i configure the package manager, my base system is installed, and i am planning to use ftp mirrors to build my system, but i need pppoe to access the net. if u understand my problem? |
| 20:14.37 | bpun | k-os, actually i didn't meant to say that.. my err.. |
| 20:15.43 | simonrvn | you could always restart |
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| 20:16.06 | abrotman | simonrvn: i'm tired! |
| 20:16.16 | k-os | bpun: ok, what did you mean to say? |
| 20:16.35 | simonrvn | abrotman: s'ok buddy, i am too |
| 20:16.44 | bpun | k-os, would it be difficult to restart? sorry i had no clue what was being asked.. |
| 20:16.56 | abrotman | simonrvn: bachelor party last night .. i'm way poorer .. and very tired :) |
| 20:17.36 | simonrvn | holy... i stayed up all night, bed at 6, then woke up at 10 |
| 20:17.43 | abrotman | yay! |
| 20:17.46 | k-os | bpun: well, i guess i could do a restart |
| 20:18.19 | simonrvn | k-os: wouldn't be very difficult at all, and you get to do it like you want. |
| 20:18.20 | Decepticon | so after i install apache2, where is the htdocs root folder on my filesystem? is every user goign to use this folder or is it user-specific |
| 20:18.28 | k-os | bpun: is it still possible to choose packages manually like it was with the 3.1 install? i havent installed Debian since then. |
| 20:18.30 | wols | Decepticon: /var/www/ |
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| 20:18.42 | wols | k-os: it is. aptitude. not parameters |
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| 20:19.03 | simonrvn | default is in /var/www; this is configurable. |
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| 20:19.30 | Decepticon | who owns that? i cant freely write files there |
| 20:19.41 | Decepticon | how would i move it to say a folder under my ~ |
| 20:19.48 | \amethyst | Decepticon: if you do a2enmod userdir this will set it up so that each user has a web dir in $HOME/public_html |
| 20:19.54 | simonrvn | userdir module |
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| 20:20.21 | simonrvn | \amethyst: fucking mind reader ;) |
| 20:20.23 | \amethyst | Decepticon: so that, for example, /home/deceptic/public_html would be accessible as http://hostname/~deceptic/ |
| 20:20.42 | Decepticon | yes i'd want that |
| 20:20.53 | Decepticon | and the command for that is 'a2enmod userdir' yes? |
| 20:20.56 | k-os | wols: alrighty then |
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| 20:21.46 | \amethyst | Decepticon: yes... the config snippits that that enables are in /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.{load,conf} |
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| 20:21.59 | szymon_g | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:21.59 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 20:22.11 | minus | IT FUCKING HAPPENED AGAIN! FUCK THIS SHITY DIST!!!! |
| 20:22.16 | minus | I HATE DEBIAN |
| 20:22.17 | grendal_prime | weird..only needs one slash |
| 20:22.20 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:22.26 | abrotman | minus: easy on the caps |
| 20:22.27 | simonrvn | minus: *shrug* |
| 20:22.32 | minus | Yeahyeah |
| 20:22.37 | blackba55 | bpun: i just checked it and it works now .. though i didn't get any errors |
| 20:22.38 | simonrvn | !tell szymon_g -about msg the bot |
| 20:22.39 | grendal_prime | what happened? |
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| 20:22.51 | bpun | minus, your drive is probably corrupt-- run hdd generator.. |
| 20:22.58 | minus | Still.. The internetconnection just crashes and you cant get it back up |
| 20:23.16 | szymon_g | sorry simonrvn |
| 20:23.19 | nvz | I hate when I can't get it up |
| 20:23.25 | szymon_g | but i've got problem with graphic card |
| 20:23.25 | abrotman | minus: which kernel ? |
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| 20:23.26 | Bushmills | lol |
| 20:23.27 | nvz | pisses my girlfriend off too |
| 20:23.32 | minus | not with dhclient, ifup/down nothing |
| 20:23.46 | simonrvn | szymon_g: s'ok, you didn't do it 16 times |
| 20:23.51 | grendal_prime | my wife is never pissed off about that |
| 20:23.57 | grendal_prime | nvz: |
| 20:23.58 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 20:24.02 | Jonny | an anyone help me with a mesa error? |
| 20:24.05 | Jonny | can* |
| 20:24.10 | abrotman | just ask |
| 20:24.15 | nvz | simonrvn: she's never told me that. |
| 20:24.44 | szymon_g | simonrvm : not 16 but only 14 times ;p |
| 20:24.44 | bpun | Jonny, mesa isn't that for geniuses? |
| 20:24.44 | abrotman | mensa |
| 20:24.45 | bpun | hehe |
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| 20:24.45 | Jonny | bpun, i have no idea, new to Debian lol |
| 20:24.45 | bpun | mensa it is :) |
| 20:24.45 | Jonny | its when i load a game, the game loads but with low FPS, and i get a mesa error in terminal |
| 20:24.50 | nvz | grendal_prime: hah. thats why they marry ya I guess, so they don't have to please ya anymore to get what they really want |
| 20:24.57 | azeem | Jonny: what graphics card do you have? |
| 20:25.03 | Jonny | intel something |
| 20:25.22 | azeem | Jonny: what does "glxinfo | grep direct' say? |
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| 20:26.00 | grendal_prime | nvz: yep...i got her kids...shes happy now hehehe |
| 20:26.03 | Jonny | unkwon command? |
| 20:26.05 | Jonny | unkown* |
| 20:26.22 | nvz | I've thought about taking the mensa test.. but never got around to doing it.. I'm not getting any sharper these days.. |
| 20:26.47 | Jonny | glxinfo is an unkown command azeen |
| 20:26.50 | Jonny | im using debian etch |
| 20:26.57 | Jonny | not sure if it helps or anything ;p |
| 20:27.19 | Jonny | this is my graphics card |
| 20:27.20 | Jonny | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 20:27.40 | simonrvn | someone told me i should take that test... never wanted to, seems to me some bogus stuff anyway. people full of themselves about their 'intelligence'. whatever happened to wisdom? |
| 20:27.46 | nvz | I've always scored within the top two percent of state-wide tests so I can't help but wonder how I'd fare on the mensa test |
| 20:27.50 | MoDaX | !find glxinfo |
| 20:27.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'glxinfo' (3): (/usr/bin/glxinfo) in x11/mesa-utils ;; (/usr/share/mesademos/progs/xdemos/glxinfo.c) in graphics/mesademos ;; (/usr/share/doc/libgtkglext1-dev/examples/glxinfo.c.gz) in libdevel/libgtkglext1-dev. |
| 20:28.01 | simonrvn | </opinion> |
| 20:28.20 | nvz | simonrvn: I agree for the most part.. but I'd actually like to be part of the organization.. to be able to share ideas with people worth talking to :P |
| 20:28.21 | MoDaX | Jonny: install the package |
| 20:28.30 | Jonny | package? |
| 20:28.43 | MoDaX | Jonny: look what dpkg told |
| 20:28.57 | simonrvn | nvz: you elitist pig :P |
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| 20:29.11 | nvz | simonrvn: haha.. plus you can get grants and shit. |
| 20:29.12 | Jonny | yeah MoDaX...that makes no sense to me, like i said, im new to Debian |
| 20:29.13 | misreckoning | can anybody tell me what is gpl3 about in few words? |
| 20:29.26 | abrotman | misreckoning: i'm sure they have a page about it .. or ask #gnu |
| 20:29.32 | MoDaX | Jonny: install mesa-utils package |
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| 20:29.34 | simonrvn | misreckoning: GPL, version 3 |
| 20:29.43 | abrotman | or .. wikipedia |
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| 20:29.47 | misreckoning | abrotman, right ... |
| 20:29.50 | nvz | simonrvn: I could go actually learn something without having to pay for school.. just by proving I'm apt |
| 20:30.15 | Jonny | ok i installed |
| 20:30.16 | abrotman | or one of the numerous reports/news stories |
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| 20:30.43 | simonrvn | nvz: yeh, better than joining the military and doing the same. |
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| 20:31.25 | simonrvn | way too many people are forced to do that to get 'higher' education... |
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| 20:31.28 | Jonny | MoDaX, on the grep direct thing now, the output is this "direct rendering: No |
| 20:31.28 | Jonny | " |
| 20:31.43 | nvz | simonrvn: pfft.. heh.. the minute I had a loaded weapon and an oppertunity things would get really ugly with the kind of idiot we got in office right now and the ignorant shit he's doing with the military |
| 20:32.04 | simonrvn | nvz: it's disgraceful |
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| 20:32.21 | simonrvn | nvz: same with the idiot up here, that gov't is so fucked up |
| 20:33.00 | grendal_prime | werid its not writing it to the file though..only displaying it.. |
| 20:33.13 | simonrvn | good people getting sent to do the corporate state's bidding, instead of actually helping people. it dishonours them |
| 20:33.24 | grendal_prime | i need to ad an -e to the beginning right? |
| 20:33.36 | grendal_prime | sorry that was for abrotman |
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| 20:33.59 | simonrvn | grendal_prime: yes |
| 20:34.05 | azeem | Jonny: what does "/bin/lspci | grep VGA" say? |
| 20:34.08 | simonrvn | sed -e '.... |
| 20:34.09 | grendal_prime | thats not working as well |
| 20:34.11 | grendal_prime | werid |
| 20:34.21 | azeem | Jonny: ah, nevermind, you mentioned it already |
| 20:34.45 | grendal_prime | permissions probably |
| 20:34.52 | Jonny | yeah azeem i mentioned it ;p |
| 20:35.12 | azeem | Jonny: do you have the libgl1-mesa-dri package installed? |
| 20:35.35 | Jonny | not sure |
| 20:35.37 | Jonny | should i try install it? |
| 20:35.43 | Jonny | wait |
| 20:35.44 | Jonny | no i dont |
| 20:35.46 | azeem | you should check whether it is installed |
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| 20:35.52 | azeem | dpkg -l <package> will tell you |
| 20:35.52 | dpkg | ii <package> will tell you 1.6-2 azeem's private gamp collection |
| 20:35.55 | simonrvn | yeh, install it |
| 20:35.58 | Jonny | direct rendering: Yes |
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| 20:36.01 | azeem | eh? |
| 20:36.01 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:36.03 | Jonny | it now says yes :D |
| 20:36.07 | azeem | Jonny: what did you change? |
| 20:36.19 | Jonny | i installed libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 20:36.20 | Jonny | o.0 |
| 20:36.23 | azeem | ah |
| 20:36.24 | reno_ | n |
| 20:36.25 | azeem | ok, good |
| 20:36.33 | azeem | Jonny: let's hope the game is more usable now |
| 20:36.34 | Jonny | mhm |
| 20:36.41 | Jonny | seems i get an error now |
| 20:36.42 | grendal_prime | ya...thats not working..werid |
| 20:36.44 | Jonny | when loading the game |
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| 20:36.58 | grendal_prime | sed -e 's/default\t\t0/default saved/' menu.lst |
| 20:37.02 | Jonny | GLXUnsupportedPrivateRequest |
| 20:37.11 | Jonny | ill upload output to pastebin |
| 20:37.29 | Jonny | i get this error now :S |
| 20:37.29 | Jonny | http://pastebin.se/22967 |
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| 20:37.59 | grendal_prime | it outputs to the screen with the change but it does not actually write it to the file. permissions not be an issue. any ideas abrotman ? |
| 20:38.14 | abrotman | man sed |
| 20:38.27 | azeem | ugh, Tibia |
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| 20:38.59 | simonrvn | is that the game's name? |
| 20:39.04 | azeem | yah |
| 20:39.18 | azeem | Jonny: anyway, looks like a problem with the game |
| 20:39.18 | simonrvn | what does it do when not being famous? |
| 20:39.22 | corran | How should I go about fixing an issue I am having with ncurses not rendering correctly when used with screen and Eterm. It seems to be something about the screen termcap or something, any thoughts? |
| 20:39.32 | azeem | simonrvn: a collegue in university lost his life over it |
| 20:39.34 | azeem | literally |
| 20:39.44 | azeem | well, almost literally; he lost his uni education I guess |
| 20:39.54 | minus | stew, and asg; http://pastebin.com/940087 and al the other persosn that know what my problem is |
| 20:39.57 | Jonny | azeem, well i got it working again, a friend told me to install something, back to 4 FPS on the game, and the mesa error, but it works |
| 20:40.13 | azeem | Jonny: which version of Debian? |
| 20:40.18 | Jonny | etch |
| 20:40.19 | azeem | w64 |
| 20:40.20 | azeem | oops. |
| 20:40.21 | Jonny | im now going to sid though |
| 20:40.23 | azeem | Jonny: hrm, ok |
| 20:40.27 | azeem | Jonny: try testing first |
| 20:40.45 | azeem | Jonny: it has the same mesa version anyway |
| 20:41.13 | abrotman | damn pastebin.com |
| 20:41.16 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 20:41.30 | simonrvn | crap i hate it when irssi stalls on me like that |
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| 20:42.37 | simonrvn | azeem: that :/ was for you btw |
| 20:42.57 | azeem | heh |
| 20:43.18 | minus | abrotman, ? |
| 20:43.48 | abrotman | it's slow for most people |
| 20:44.20 | minus | pastebin.ca was slow for me |
| 20:44.29 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:44.30 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 20:46.18 | minus | there you go then |
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| 20:47.00 | Bartisimo | hello |
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| 20:50.37 | minus | hm.. noticed that my network card is known to randomly die.. so i guess... hm.. |
| 20:50.38 | smacnay | Is there a way to import or copy old mail folders from a hard drive into a new hard driver (I am using icedove)? |
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| 20:51.09 | krazykit | smacnay: just copy the ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/ folder over? |
| 20:51.41 | smacnay | krazykit: I tried... the folder wasn't spotted on the next start of icedove. |
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| 21:08.27 | Lemming | Must anything be concidered when installing debian on an usb flash drive? |
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| 21:09.13 | anomaly | space. |
| 21:09.21 | anomaly | if mobo can book from usb. |
| 21:09.23 | krazykit | Lemming: how often the disk gets written to |
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| 21:10.06 | krazykit | Lemming: having USB drivers compiled into the kernel (or at least in the initrd) |
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| 21:10.29 | Bushmills | Lemming: you may want to consider using a file system which handles wear balancing. |
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| 21:13.59 | Lemming | no journal, and no swap I've read |
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| 21:14.19 | Orionisti | Hello |
| 21:14.26 | Orionisti | I need some help with audio issues |
| 21:14.34 | Bushmills | Lemming: one of the flash suited file system supports journalling, actually |
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| 21:14.55 | Lemming | well, no swap and no ext3, is what I read actually |
| 21:15.07 | Lemming | so the guide used ext2 |
| 21:15.08 | Orionisti | I have Etch with KDE & ALSA and first I thought that there was no sound at all, but there is very faint sound when I test it |
| 21:15.12 | Bushmills | ext3 is not flash suited |
| 21:15.22 | Lemming | What is? |
| 21:15.23 | Orionisti | So how can I increase the sound volume? |
| 21:15.29 | jbinder | Orionisti: Do you have alsamixer? |
| 21:15.29 | Lemming | eg. what would you recommend? |
| 21:15.33 | corran | zfs! |
| 21:15.37 | corran | *cough* |
| 21:15.40 | Bushmills | jffs2 is, for example |
| 21:15.48 | jbinder | Orionisti: Type the command "alsamixer". |
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| 21:16.04 | Orionisti | alsamixergui according to synaptic, yes |
| 21:16.14 | topo | pease vote on cow army http://bigstarfestival.pl/main.php?id=6&sub=1 |
| 21:16.30 | krazykit | topo: fuck off |
| 21:16.35 | topo | :( |
| 21:16.43 | krazykit | i voted for whoever is beating you |
| 21:16.56 | krazykit | stop spamming. seriously. knock it off |
| 21:17.18 | topo | sorry |
| 21:17.40 | krazykit | i can't believe that worked |
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| 21:17.50 | Orionisti | ok, I opened alsamixer and master was already full volume, set others too, but no change |
| 21:18.56 | Orionisti | any other suggestions? |
| 21:19.11 | krazykit | Orionisti: they weren't muted? |
| 21:19.20 | Orionisti | not that I see |
| 21:19.36 | Orionisti | and I can still hear the sound if I press my ear to the speaker |
| 21:20.08 | tmorton | ls |
| 21:20.09 | krazykit | MM is musted OO is unmuted in alsamixer |
| 21:20.11 | tmorton | bah, sorry |
| 21:20.31 | Decepticon | so im looking at all these directories that the apache2 package has propped up after isntallation... if i understand correctly /var/www/ is where all the static html stuff is, ~/public_html/ is where my personal html stuff is... and if i enable cgi, where should i put the cgi-bin ? /var/www/cgi-bin/ ? |
| 21:20.43 | Orionisti | I use the GUI |
| 21:20.49 | krazykit | oh |
| 21:20.59 | krazykit | alsamixer is the curses gui :P |
| 21:21.28 | Orionisti | well, I'm new here |
| 21:21.33 | krazykit | it's ok |
| 21:21.42 | krazykit | the speakers aren't just dying? |
| 21:21.46 | grendal_prime | well abrotman i dont know how its supposed to be done, but i did this... |
| 21:21.50 | grendal_prime | sed -e 's/default\t\t0/default saved/' menu.lst > menu2.lst; mv menu2.lst menu.lst |
| 21:21.53 | Orionisti | no, they work fine when I boot knoppix |
| 21:21.59 | Lemming | Bushmills: Using jffs2 makes sense, thanks |
| 21:22.14 | Bushmills | yw |
| 21:22.27 | Lemming | where do I go from here? :P |
| 21:22.40 | peter_ | !paste |
| 21:22.40 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 21:22.59 | Decepticon | where would you guys put your cgi-bin/ |
| 21:23.02 | Lemming | do I need a fat16 to boot, or is it just commonly used? |
| 21:23.03 | Decepticon | for apache2 |
| 21:23.27 | Bushmills | no, not commonly |
| 21:23.41 | Lemming | ok |
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| 21:23.56 | Bushmills | on PDAs and machines with embedded linux it is |
| 21:24.02 | Bushmills | but on desktop computers not |
| 21:24.04 | Orionisti | so are there any other options where I can set the sound volume? |
| 21:24.06 | Lemming | "After that, mount the USB memory stick (mount /dev/sda /mnt), which will now have a FAT filesystem on it" |
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| 21:24.26 | Lemming | And I've seen it in tutorials occasionally |
| 21:24.31 | jbinder | Orionisti: What are you trying to play music in? |
| 21:24.33 | Lemming | sorry, I meant specifically for usb drives |
| 21:25.07 | grendal_prime | and that works so...there |
| 21:25.21 | Orionisti | jbinder, don't have any music on the HDD yet, but I'm using the KDE Control Center -> Sound System to check the system |
| 21:25.51 | jbinder | Orionisti: Do you know how to use PM? |
| 21:25.59 | Orionisti | privat messages? |
| 21:26.02 | jbinder | Yes. |
| 21:26.05 | Orionisti | sure |
| 21:26.18 | Bushmills | Orionisti: to create jffs2 fs, mtd-tools should contain mkfs.jffs2 |
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| 21:26.36 | Lemming | Bushmills: Was that to me? |
| 21:26.39 | jbinder | Orionisti: Do you see the PM? |
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| 21:26.50 | Bushmills | Lemming: yes, indeed. |
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| 21:27.20 | plus_M | So I've been trying to set up an email server for a day now and nothing I've tried works |
| 21:27.37 | plus_M | Does anyone here know of a simple step-by-step guide to setting up a basic email server? |
| 21:27.38 | Bushmills | plus_M: what mail server? |
| 21:27.42 | plus_M | I don't care |
| 21:27.42 | jbinder | plus_M: Does your ISP block port 25? |
| 21:27.45 | plus_M | No |
| 21:27.52 | plus_M | At least I don't think so |
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| 21:28.09 | Bushmills | plus_M: postfix is pretty straightforward, out of the box |
| 21:28.15 | jbinder | Yeah. |
| 21:28.16 | plus_M | Would that be all I need? |
| 21:28.21 | jbinder | I got postfix working in 5 minutes. |
| 21:28.25 | plus_M | I was told you need to do some stuff with mysql |
| 21:28.26 | jbinder | plus_M: For me it was. |
| 21:28.31 | jbinder | I didn't need to. |
| 21:28.34 | plus_M | Oh... |
| 21:28.39 | jbinder | I use mutt to check my mail though. |
| 21:28.48 | plus_M | Would that work with like thunderbird |
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| 21:29.03 | jbinder | Probably... I don't know how to set it up with thunderbird... but there might be a way. |
| 21:29.08 | jbinder | Yeah, I think you can. |
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| 21:29.34 | Bushmills | thunderbird doesn't care, doesn't actually see the mail server |
| 21:29.34 | Lemming | Bushmills: Getting mtd-tools, thanks :) |
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| 21:31.26 | Decepticon | how do i give my username access to write to /var/www/ |
| 21:31.59 | plus_M | I can't figure out how I'm supposed to set up postfix... |
| 21:32.13 | plus_M | I'm finding a whole bunch of guides on google but none of them are making any sense to me |
| 21:32.19 | Lemming | Bushmills: Do I need to paritition the usb drive? |
| 21:32.26 | jbinder | plus_M: Did you install it using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 21:32.32 | plus_M | apt-get |
| 21:32.35 | jbinder | Ok. |
| 21:32.38 | Bushmills | Lemming: you would probably want to have a small boot partition |
| 21:32.46 | wols | plus_M: for a basic one domain setup no mysql needed |
| 21:32.47 | Lemming | define small |
| 21:32.49 | Bushmills | Lemming: which is not jffs2 |
| 21:32.51 | jbinder | So... sudo nano /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 21:32.52 | wols | plus_M: so: one domain or more? |
| 21:32.56 | plus_M | One |
| 21:32.56 | Lemming | Also, thanks for helping me out. :) |
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| 21:33.07 | Bushmills | Lemming: 16 mb or less should do |
| 21:33.14 | wols | plus_M: what ds you use for mail storage? |
| 21:33.17 | Lemming | Bushmills: Meaning FAT16? 32? ext2? |
| 21:33.20 | plus_M | ds? |
| 21:33.26 | wols | *do |
| 21:33.33 | plus_M | What do you mean what do I use for mail storage |
| 21:33.37 | wols | Lemming: ext2 |
| 21:33.41 | Bushmills | Lemming: yes. so your kernel can be accessed and booted |
| 21:33.45 | wols | plus_M: how do you want to store your mail? |
| 21:33.49 | plus_M | I don't really care |
| 21:33.51 | Lemming | ext2, thanks :) |
| 21:33.55 | Enverex | Has something changed in PGP/GPG lately? Enigmail just fails saying it can't connect to "/long/url..." connect failed :/ |
| 21:33.56 | wols | postfix i a transport agent. it won't keep your mail |
| 21:34.03 | plus_M | I see |
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| 21:34.08 | plus_M | See I know nothing about this |
| 21:34.13 | plus_M | I've never done anything with email before |
| 21:34.59 | jbinder | I can send mail with postfix with a smarthost with no problem. |
| 21:35.02 | wols | how did you plan to read your mail? |
| 21:35.06 | jbinder | Thunderbird. |
| 21:35.08 | jbinder | I use mutt. |
| 21:35.16 | wols | jbinder: I didn't ask you |
| 21:35.18 | plus_M | I just want basic email clients to be able to connect |
| 21:35.23 | jbinder | I asked him before... he said thunderbird. |
| 21:35.32 | Orionisti | jbinder, any ideas on the soundsystem? =) |
| 21:35.36 | plus_M | thunderbird, opera |
| 21:35.38 | wols | plus_M: that means pop3 or imap server |
| 21:35.39 | Bushmills | plus_M: how do you want to use your mail server? what for? |
| 21:35.41 | plus_M | Right |
| 21:35.47 | plus_M | pop3 or imap |
| 21:35.47 | jbinder | Orionisti: Do you have mplayer? |
| 21:35.50 | plus_M | Bushmills, uh |
| 21:35.58 | plus_M | Just basic support email |
| 21:36.03 | plus_M | Nothing too intensive |
| 21:36.12 | plus_M | I'm not going to use it as my main email |
| 21:36.14 | Bushmills | plus_M: sending? being sent to you? |
| 21:36.18 | plus_M | Both |
| 21:36.21 | plus_M | If at all possible |
| 21:36.30 | Bushmills | plus_M: you have a machine with a static ip address? |
| 21:36.37 | grendal_prime | till cant figure out how to get it to look at the last instance of a pattern in the entire file |
| 21:36.43 | Lemming | Bushmills: Should both be primary? |
| 21:36.46 | plus_M | Bushmills, yes |
| 21:36.51 | grendal_prime | im refering to sed |
| 21:36.51 | Bushmills | plus_M: ok |
| 21:37.04 | Bushmills | Lemming: doesn't really matter |
| 21:37.08 | Bushmills | Lemming: yes |
| 21:37.21 | Orionisti | no, I don't think I have mplayer, nor do I think the playback software helps here |
| 21:37.34 | Lemming | Bushmills: boot partition->1? |
| 21:37.35 | jbinder | It could. |
| 21:37.42 | Orionisti | I've tried vlc and JuK |
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| 21:38.01 | jbinder | Try a different audio output. |
| 21:38.03 | jbinder | ALSA? |
| 21:38.14 | Orionisti | I have alsa |
| 21:38.19 | jbinder | So try a different one. |
| 21:38.20 | Bushmills | Lemming: again, doesn't really matter much. you may want to make / the first, and boot the 2nd |
| 21:38.26 | Orionisti | right |
| 21:38.27 | Bushmills | just for cosmetic reasons |
| 21:38.38 | Lemming | jffs the 1st then, gotcha |
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| 21:39.09 | Lemming | Any cosmetic reasons for first/end cylinders? |
| 21:39.15 | Lemming | except not placing it in the middle |
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| 21:39.51 | Bushmills | boot at begin is a defensive move |
| 21:40.01 | plus_M | Bushmills, courier-imap + postfix work? |
| 21:40.07 | Lemming | boot = 1 to 16, makes sense? |
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| 21:40.35 | Lemming | that's slightly more than 16 MB |
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| 21:40.52 | Orionisti | It's getting quite late here, I think I'll have to continue some other time, thanks all for your help. |
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| 21:40.57 | Bushmills | plus_M: yes, though you might want ot look at dovecot-imapd as alternative |
| 21:41.10 | plus_M | Bushmills, whatever's easiest |
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| 21:41.16 | Bushmills | plus_M: therefore |
| 21:42.12 | plus_M | ? |
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| 21:42.36 | Bushmills | plus_M: "whatever's easiest" .. for this reason |
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| 21:42.47 | plus_M | Ah |
| 21:42.48 | Lemming | ext2/ext3 are both 0x83 right_ |
| 21:42.51 | Lemming | ?* |
| 21:42.56 | Bushmills | Lemming: right |
| 21:42.56 | floppyears | hi, I was here last night asking for help on setting up a mail server on my debian machine so that I can recieve/send mail using my debian server |
| 21:43.09 | floppyears | I can receive mail just fine, but the problem that I'm having is sending mail |
| 21:43.22 | floppyears | could someone help me check and troubleshoot my issue ? |
| 21:43.46 | Bushmills | floppyears: look in /var/log/mail.info |
| 21:43.59 | stoned | hey Lemming whats up |
| 21:44.09 | stoned | I use to make you blow yourself when I was a kid |
| 21:44.13 | plus_M | To set up my mail server what else do I need besides postfix and dovecot-imapd? |
| 21:44.17 | stoned | back on the old mac machines |
| 21:44.33 | Lemming | stoned: Trying to get debian on an usb flash stick, and Bushmills is helping me out a lot |
| 21:44.34 | stoned | lemmings kick ass |
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| 21:44.44 | Lemming | indeed |
| 21:44.45 | Bushmills | plus_M: an mx record in your zonefile would help |
| 21:44.45 | stoned | good man, debian is awesome |
| 21:44.57 | plus_M | I'm sorry but I don't know what that means |
| 21:45.10 | floppyears | thanks Bushmills I should've thought about that :) first thing to do is always check logs ;) |
| 21:45.15 | stoned | plus_M: read up on mail relays, dns zones etc. etc. |
| 21:45.23 | Lemming | stoned: http://rools.ath.cx/peter/photo/2007-05-02-blockerlaptop/IMG_0224.jpg |
| 21:45.26 | Lemming | made that one :3 |
| 21:45.42 | Bushmills | plus_M: lets the rest of the world know how to find your mail server when sending mail to you |
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| 21:45.50 | Lemming | Bushmills: Is jffs2 also 0x83? |
| 21:46.00 | stoned | freakin sweet |
| 21:46.01 | Bushmills | Lemming: no |
| 21:46.20 | stoned | Lemming: you're on ubuntu aren't you? |
| 21:46.26 | stoned | or just gnome? |
| 21:47.31 | Lemming | stoned: a live cd, but yes |
| 21:47.35 | rainabba | Following a couple tutorials, I've got authentication through winbind working well enough that I can log into a console using a windows domain account, but I cant' log into X with it. After logging into the console I've even got a home dir at /home/DOMAIN/username. What am I missing still? |
| 21:47.39 | Lemming | mom's laptop |
| 21:47.49 | stoned | your mom uses linux? |
| 21:47.54 | Lemming | no, livecd :) |
| 21:47.56 | stoned | thats freakin sweet |
| 21:47.57 | stoned | oh |
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| 21:48.03 | stoned | its still pretty sweet |
| 21:48.05 | Lemming | could possibly get her to |
| 21:48.06 | stoned | at least shes checking out |
| 21:48.13 | Lemming | as she doesn't use more than word and firefox |
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| 21:48.18 | Bushmills | "log into X"?? |
| 21:48.18 | cvzero | can anyone help me with dvd burner installation? |
| 21:48.25 | Bushmills | *think* |
| 21:48.25 | stoned | !anyone |
| 21:48.25 | Lemming | no, still my live cd :) |
| 21:48.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 21:49.11 | honschu | Hi, is there a program to solve simple equations on the console? |
| 21:50.14 | jbinder | honschu: Yeah. |
| 21:50.18 | jbinder | honschu: Wait. |
| 21:50.31 | MoDaXaS | honschu: maxima |
| 21:50.54 | honschu | thx! |
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| 21:52.10 | jbinder | How do I use maxima? |
| 21:52.15 | jbinder | I just installed it... I can't figure it out. |
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| 21:52.30 | honschu | wow 31,2MB for maxima and its depends... is there something more lightwight? |
| 21:52.31 | Lemming | Bushmills: I cannot find it in the list |
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| 21:52.50 | Bushmills | lol "I just installed it... I can't figure it out." how long did you do to figure it out ? :) |
| 21:53.06 | flami | honschu, tried dc ? |
| 21:53.10 | jbinder | Bushmills: Lol. |
| 21:53.46 | Bushmills | Lemming: jffs2 is a file system, not a partition type. you can leave type on 83, for linux. "no" means, it has no partition type, is it isn't one. |
| 21:53.58 | Bushmills | as it isn't one |
| 21:54.09 | Lemming | ok, thanks again :) |
| 21:54.14 | Mazingaro | which xorg driver will work with mach64 (ati radeon mobility m6)? |
| 21:54.33 | MoDaX | Mazingaro: ati |
| 21:54.48 | jbinder | Ooops. |
| 21:54.53 | jbinder | I just typed rm * in my home directory. |
| 21:54.56 | jbinder | Lol.... Shit. |
| 21:54.57 | Lemming | "Partition table entries are not in disk order" <- ignore that and just write? :) |
| 21:55.00 | Nicon | hey. having some problems with a 3ware raid-5 array of 12x500GB (5.5TB usable as /dev/sda). It refuses to create partitions which are larger than 1018GB. The platform is a 64bit AMD. Tried the stock kernel and a compiled vanilla 2.6.21.5. |
| 21:55.14 | Bushmills | Lemming: fine |
| 21:55.19 | Decepticon | how do i remove all TRACES of apache2, it doesnt want to get rid of those other packages that were installed as dependencies for apache2.. and i dont know what they are |
| 21:55.48 | Bushmills | jbinder: i'd remove the subdirectories too. |
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| 21:55.52 | Decepticon | or how do i check what were the last few packages installed in the order they were installed? |
| 21:55.54 | jbinder | Bushmills: Lol. |
| 21:56.02 | De_Mon | Decepticon try deborphan |
| 21:56.17 | honschu | jbinder: You're really funny. |
| 21:56.18 | Bushmills | my hard disc crashed, 3 days ago |
| 21:56.29 | jbinder | Lol. |
| 21:56.39 | De_Mon | if it installed things like php, then they don't "depend" on apache and will need to be removed manually |
| 21:56.47 | Mazingaro | MoDaX: drm won't work |
| 21:56.59 | honschu | drm is deprecated as I know |
| 21:57.29 | MoDaX | Mazingaro: expect no 3d with mach64 (iirc) |
| 21:57.39 | Mazingaro | MoDaX: why? |
| 21:58.27 | MoDaX | Mazingaro: I think 3d has been supported starting with early radeons |
| 21:58.29 | wols | Mazingaro: cause it's damn old |
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| 21:58.34 | Lemming | Bushmills: ext2 boot, 2nd partition, 16 meg(ish), bootable flag, rest as a jffs2 drive, partition 1 |
| 21:59.13 | Bushmills | Lemming: bootable flag doesn't matter |
| 21:59.20 | Lemming | ok, good |
| 21:59.25 | MoDaX | Mazingaro: and mach64 3d is barely useful. I had a 4mb card a couple of years ago |
| 21:59.29 | Bushmills | that's for ms bootloader mainly |
| 21:59.40 | lymeca | Gnash 0.8.0 was updloaded for review by the FTP Masters a while ago (maybe a couple weeks). Where can I find out what is stalling it from entering unstable? |
| 21:59.48 | Mazingaro | MoDaX: wanna play urbanterror on my laptop |
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| 22:00.42 | MoDaX | Mazingaro: you will have to buy a new laptop then |
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| 22:00.44 | Lemming | Bushmills: Manually mkfs.ext2? |
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| 22:00.56 | Lemming | for the boot |
| 22:01.08 | Bushmills | go ahead |
| 22:01.09 | puddingpimp_work | Is it possible to use the debian installer to install into an nfs root (on another machine)? |
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| 22:02.34 | Mazingaro | MoDaX: sad but true |
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| 22:03.29 | jriachi | hello |
| 22:04.05 | jriachi | apt-get checks the integrity (md5 or something) of the files in /var/cache/apt/archives before using them? |
| 22:04.13 | MoDaX | jriachi: no |
| 22:04.24 | MoDaX | jriachi: ups. yes |
| 22:04.28 | MoDaX | misread |
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| 22:04.56 | byteshack | hi all! |
| 22:05.01 | Lemming | Do I want to specify any flags, such as reserved blocks, or just go? |
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| 22:05.24 | MoDaX | Lemming: use fsck or badblocks |
| 22:05.30 | byteshack | I'm trying to umount my iPod, I have no term on it, and I get a "device is busy" error, any tips? |
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| 22:05.46 | jriachi | mmm.. what happens it the file is not correct. Does it get reloaded again / the user is warned / ? |
| 22:06.14 | MoDaX | jriachi: apt-get refuses to install it, the user is warned |
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| 22:07.45 | jriachi | ok.. so, in an apt-get dist-upgrade, with a wrong dowloaded file... this file isn't installed, the other packages which deppend on said file aren't installed... and the rest of packages are installed? |
| 22:08.42 | Lemming | Bushmills: Out-of-the-box ext2, and a jffs2 as I want it then? |
| 22:09.36 | MoDaX | jriachi: probably. but it might stop somewhere in the middle though |
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| 22:10.50 | Lemming | MoDaX: Why would I want to run badblocks? |
| 22:11.00 | Lemming | or fsck |
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| 22:12.56 | Lemming | Also mkfs.jffs2, -r/-d/--root=DIR <- should any of those be supplied? |
| 22:13.47 | Lemming | "Build file system from directory DIR", current dir by default |
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| 22:15.04 | jriachi | MoDaX: is there something like dpkg --check-if-downloaded-correctly foo.deb ? |
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| 22:16.18 | jriachi | (to check the md5sum or the integrity or whatever is done, for a shellscript ) |
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| 22:16.37 | MoDaX | jriachi: dpkg --no-act -i maybe |
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| 22:18.25 | chuckkh | I'm using the testing repository and being told that build-essential conflicts with utils-linux |
| 22:18.29 | chuckkh | which is required |
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| 22:19.27 | chuckkh | is that wrong? |
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| 22:19.44 | chuckkh | for a package to conflict with a required system package? |
| 22:19.46 | MoDaX | chuckkh: paste full error to paste.debian.net |
| 22:19.51 | chuckkh | ok |
| 22:19.53 | jriachi | I am doing a dirty multi-mirror axel-based apt-downloader... but i don't trust axel too much. I will try this --no-act -i :) |
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| 22:20.19 | chuckkh | er, no error, Synaptic just says it's going to uninstall utils-linux |
| 22:20.28 | chuckkh | and the properties for utils-linux say required |
| 22:20.53 | MoDaX | chuckkh: try with apt-get/aptitude |
| 22:21.01 | chuckkh | k |
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| 22:24.19 | floppyears | hi I'm trying to setup a mail server on my debian machine, and I can receive emails just fine from my gmail acct |
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| 22:24.36 | floppyears | but I can't send emails except to my username@localhost :( |
| 22:24.38 | floppyears | any help ? |
| 22:25.06 | floppyears | the log says: (connect to gmail.com[72.14.253.83]: Connection timed out) |
| 22:25.13 | floppyears | any ideas on what could cause this ? |
| 22:26.14 | minus | ehm.. noobquestion here: How do i uninstall Opera? It was installed with a "sh install.sh" thingy |
| 22:26.18 | Bushmills | floppyears: intending to use gmail as smarthost? |
| 22:27.02 | floppyears | Bushmills: what ? |
| 22:27.36 | Bushmills | 1. why does your mail server try to connect to google? |
| 22:27.37 | Bushmills | 2. on that address does google not have a mail server listening. |
| 22:27.41 | MoDaX | minus: follow instructions in readme or luck for uninst dir or similar |
| 22:27.54 | MoDaX | luck=look |
| 22:27.57 | MoDaX | damn |
| 22:28.03 | floppyears | Bushmills: I tried to send a test msg to my gmail acct :( |
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| 22:28.07 | minus | MoDaX, ok.. thx |
| 22:28.21 | peter_ | Is it possible, that game runs too fast ? |
| 22:28.47 | Bushmills | floppyears: how do you resolve ip addresses? |
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| 22:29.05 | floppyears | Bushmills: using some dns addresses in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 22:29.23 | floppyears | Bushmills: I typed host gmail.com and all the mx record info showed correctly |
| 22:29.25 | nn | minus: there are wonderful .debs available for opera, both static and dynamic |
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| 22:29.39 | minus | MoDaX, There was no "readme" or such |
| 22:29.40 | minus | :P |
| 22:29.58 | nn | but i386 onlx :-( |
| 22:30.01 | minus | nn, ok.. but i installed it by downloading it from operas homepage ^^ |
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| 22:30.28 | minus | adn flash didn'r work out so well in opera |
| 22:30.39 | minus | at lease not directly after installation |
| 22:30.48 | Bushmills | floppyears: but po-in-f83.google.com, which is the ip address your mailer wants to connect to, is not in the google mx list. and there is no smtp server listening on that one. |
| 22:31.01 | minus | but i use a Beta flash so i guess thats why |
| 22:31.06 | nn | flash is bs anyway |
| 22:31.08 | EruditeH1rmit | hey can anyone help me to get midi to work? I get the following when I try to play a midi file with timidity http://rafb.net/p/ERAT7C38.html |
| 22:31.10 | nn | minus: in doubt you might find an answer in the very helpful opera forum on opera.com |
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| 22:31.41 | minus | I know.. |
| 22:31.47 | nn | minus: for what purposes do you need flash? |
| 22:32.02 | minus | im already there |
| 22:32.02 | minus | ^^ |
| 22:32.05 | Bushmills | floppyears: the mx records may *show* but your mailer doesn't try to send to any of those |
| 22:32.09 | minus | nn, have you ever heard of youtube? |
| 22:32.10 | minus | ^^ |
| 22:32.19 | nn | kind of |
| 22:33.03 | nn | think about it |
| 22:34.09 | De_Mon | twobitsprite you just did |
| 22:34.14 | floppyears | Bushmills: so what should I do to fix it ? |
| 22:34.16 | dimir | Hey, what's up with this ^^ crap these days? What does it mean anyway? |
| 22:34.36 | Lemming | Bushmills: What does the -r/-d/--root=DIR flags mean? "Build file system from directory DIR" |
| 22:34.49 | twobitsprite | De_Mon: by, golly, I just did! :P (??) |
| 22:34.59 | Lemming | mkfs.jffs2 btw |
| 22:35.02 | Bushmills | floppyears: find out why your mail server tries to send to a different ip address than one of the mx records |
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| 22:35.55 | floppyears | Bushmills: ok, any suggestions or tips on how could I go about doing that ? |
| 22:36.02 | De_Mon | twobitsprite you "kind of" have an idea of what he's talking about |
| 22:36.32 | twobitsprite | De_Mon: I'm not even sure I "kind of" have an idea of what _you're_ talking about :P |
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| 22:36.42 | minus | I now i see.. Opera and my BETA flash driver didnt work out so well |
| 22:36.49 | Bushmills | Lemming: for building a file system from existing directories. like you do with mkisofs, for example. |
| 22:37.40 | floppyears | Bushmills: woot it works now :) |
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| 22:38.28 | Lemming | Bushmills: Seems I can only build a jffs2 from an existing directory? |
| 22:38.37 | Bushmills | floppyears: give me 10 minutes for undusting my crystal ball. it can surely give me all the information you have, and i don't. like, what mail server you're running, and some other completely irrelevant configuration details. |
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| 22:39.50 | Bushmills | Lemming: i used that a while ago. ... let me think how i did that .. i think i created an empty file, build a jffs2 files system from it, and dd'ed that one to the flash device. |
| 22:39.57 | clacker | you could always use pyching |
| 22:40.29 | Bushmills | Lemming: what made it easier for me was that i didn't have to partition, i could just use the whole device |
| 22:40.32 | suffer` | private |
| 22:40.36 | Bushmills | so file size = device size |
| 22:41.00 | floppyears | Bushmills: thanks for your help, it was 2 config lines |
| 22:41.10 | floppyears | that I had put recently today from a website that I read :( |
| 22:41.14 | floppyears | it works now :) |
| 22:42.17 | Lemming | Bushmills: And if I want to put debian on it, do I use some other tool, or simply copy files on to it? |
| 22:42.30 | Lemming | I'm *really* new to these kind of things, as you may have noticed |
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| 22:45.36 | Lemming | and have no idea how the system boots/starts up, etcetera |
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| 22:52.53 | bpun | Lemming, pstree |
| 22:52.56 | ilich_al | hi people |
| 22:53.11 | ilich_al | I'm new using debian |
| 22:53.27 | Arafangion | ilich_al: Man, you have high opinions of us all! Most of us are droids, not people! |
| 22:53.53 | Lemming | Who said people outrank droids? |
| 22:53.57 | ilich_al | ok, sorry |
| 22:54.09 | ilich_al | I need some help |
| 22:54.44 | clacker | with what? |
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| 22:55.21 | Lemming | bpun, cool :D |
| 22:55.25 | Arafangion | Lemming: To be honest, I'm not sure. I've been confused ever since I read about Susan Calvin :( |
| 22:55.36 | ilich_al | ./ufo: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./ufo) |
| 22:55.54 | ilich_al | how can i solve that |
| 22:55.57 | ilich_al | ? |
| 22:56.22 | Arafangion | ilich_al: "ufo" is not compiled properly for your system. |
| 22:56.56 | bpun | Lemming, pick up any book, but there's plenty of documentation ->http://debian.org/doc |
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| 22:57.57 | ilich_al | ok, thanks |
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| 22:58.44 | ilich_al | one question more, how can i change the repositories to install gLibc2.5 |
| 22:58.44 | suppaman | 56674r |
| 22:58.55 | suppaman | wopsj |
| 22:59.10 | suppaman | adjusting keyboard |
| 22:59.20 | Orionisti | Aumix solved the sound problems |
| 22:59.22 | Orionisti | for now, at least |
| 22:59.24 | Lemming | bpun: Any on getting debian on a flash stick with jffs2, from start to finish? |
| 22:59.33 | Lemming | I'm soo lost. |
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| 23:00.16 | Arafangion | ilich_al: You don't. |
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| 23:00.43 | suppaman | what disconnection message I had |
| 23:00.44 | Arafangion | ilich_al: The fundamental problem is that the program isn't compiled for your system, which means EVERYTHING is conflicted. |
| 23:00.44 | suppaman | ? |
| 23:01.03 | Lemming | * suppaman has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 23:01.09 | suppaman | thx |
| 23:01.12 | Lemming | yw |
| 23:01.19 | bpun | Lemming, i gave you a link.. check out how to put debian on a stick.. |
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| 23:01.48 | Lemming | thanks |
| 23:01.49 | ilich_al | Arafangion: ok, so, do you mean that i can't run that? |
| 23:02.12 | Arafangion | Not as it stands, no. |
| 23:02.20 | Arafangion | ilich_al: And it is extremely non-trivial to upgrade libc |
| 23:02.30 | Arafangion | (For any distro or system) |
| 23:02.49 | ilich_al | Arafangion: what can i do? |
| 23:03.03 | azeem | ilich_al: recompile ufo for your system |
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| 23:03.48 | suppaman | I'm on etch and I cannot find tremulous in repository, is it normal? |
| 23:03.48 | alesan | hi |
| 23:04.01 | ilich_al | ok, tanks a lot, ans sorry about my english. |
| 23:04.04 | abrotman | !info tremulous etch |
| 23:04.08 | dpkg | tremulous: (Aliens vs Humans, team based FPS game with elements of an RTS), section contrib/games, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-3 (etch), Packaged size: 642 kB, Installed size: 1447 kB |
| 23:04.08 | alesan | I take a line from /var/log/messages: Jul 2 00:55:04 nslu wviewd[3662]: <2214498418> : storing record for 2007-07-02 00:55 |
| 23:04.19 | alesan | what is <2214498418> suposed to be? a timestamp? |
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| 23:05.56 | suppaman | abrotman: so I should see it, do I have to enable contrib ? |
| 23:06.47 | abrotman | suppaman: yes |
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| 23:08.41 | suppaman | damn I hate tasksel |
| 23:09.12 | abrotman | so don't use it |
| 23:09.13 | suppaman | !dpkg gpg |
| 23:09.37 | Lemming | Bushmills: Is it worth the trouble getting a JFFS2 partition in? |
| 23:09.38 | inFw | for a moment there, I read that as haskell |
| 23:09.45 | suppaman | abrotman: I selected the desktop environment and then it took 1 and half hour to get everything |
| 23:09.56 | abrotman | suppaman: that's why no one uses it :) |
| 23:10.03 | Lemming | Why can't mkfs.jffs2 work as easily as the other mkfs |
| 23:10.11 | suppaman | abrotman: this is my first installation in years |
| 23:10.32 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:10.49 | bpun | Lemming, jffs is crap |
| 23:11.05 | Lemming | for an usb flash drive too? |
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| 23:12.09 | bpun | Lemming, just follow given instructions and stop trying to install another method..you're just wasting time.. |
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| 23:12.38 | suppaman | W: GPG error: http://debian.fastweb.it etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 23:12.46 | suppaman | is this related to etch key ? |
| 23:13.44 | Lemming | will give it a spin then, bpun |
| 23:13.45 | suppaman | is W: just a warning ? |
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| 23:16.15 | helo_ | what package is 'lp' printing utility in? |
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| 23:16.43 | abrotman | !search |
| 23:16.43 | dpkg | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 23:16.45 | suppaman | helo_ for me it's cupsys-client |
| 23:16.58 | suppaman | what's the standard debian repository ? |
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| 23:17.31 | klobster | so I'm thinking about switching to debian over kubuntu, is there anything I should be aware of, or any advice you might have? |
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| 23:18.02 | klobster | that should be debian _from_ kubuntu... |
| 23:18.26 | helo_ | thanks suppaman |
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| 23:20.16 | chuckkh | why does build-essential need to uninstall utils-linux??? |
| 23:20.21 | chuckkh | util-linux |
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| 23:20.33 | suppaman | shouldn't I simpy add contrib after main in sources.list ? |
| 23:20.34 | klobster | anything? do it? don't do it? watch out for bears? |
| 23:20.45 | suppaman | klobster: what did you expect ? |
| 23:20.55 | chuckkh | I was told to try with apt-get instead of synaptic |
| 23:21.04 | clacker | klobster: go for it! |
| 23:21.13 | chuckkh | unfortunately synaptic had updated something that killed my ethernet so I had to reinstall to try it |
| 23:21.30 | nikosapi | I'm trying to install debian on a laptop with a pcmcia cdrom drive but have had no luck. Anybody have any experienc with this? oh, and to be sure I've tried other distros and the install works fine... |
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| 23:21.44 | chuckkh | but... it seems to me no package should require uninstalling required system packages |
| 23:21.58 | chuckkh | this is with testing |
| 23:22.01 | suppaman | I'm tired |
| 23:22.01 | suppaman | bye |
| 23:22.27 | sparr | my mouse has a thumb button, button #6 (the scroll wheel is 2, 4, 5). currently it behaves as a duplicate of the middle button. i recall there being a really simple way to get it working in my X configuration, but i cant find it anywhere. help? |
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| 23:22.50 | sputnick | hi there |
| 23:23.50 | sputnick | is someone here have build a webdav under debian ? I have some issues whith mod_dav : configure: error: Your APXS installation is broken and cannot be used. |
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| 23:27.53 | micky | hello, i have a debian box with 2 internet connections ( eth1 (4bmit) and eth2(2,5mbit) ) and the internal lan interface is eth0 ( e1000 gbit ), what is the best way to go from here ? i would like to have 2 private subnets on eth0 each using it`s own route but i'm a bit confused if having 2 default gw`s will not be a problem when not using dinamic default gw`s ( like in changing the gw for each outgoing connection ) |
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| 23:29.17 | |messiah| | hi all |
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| 23:30.30 | |messiah| | I install windows again on my PC so I lost grub instalation, so I need to enter to my linux booting from the CD and next i will run the script to install again grub, but I can't boot with the kernel of my CD |
| 23:30.36 | |messiah| | What I need to do? |
| 23:32.14 | micky | |messiah| you can use the debian install cd to reinstall grub ( boot into advanced mode and select install grub ) |
| 23:33.32 | |messiah| | I try to put linux root=/dev/hda1 ro initrd= |
| 23:33.43 | |messiah| | on the prompt of the CD |
| 23:33.48 | |messiah| | but didn't work |
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| 23:34.42 | clacker | |messiah| you could try mounting your drive somewhere, then do a chroot and install it from aptitude. |
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| 23:35.35 | |messiah| | Can I start with the kernel of the CD but mounting my drive? |
| 23:35.45 | |messiah| | from the CD I didn't know how to do it |
| 23:36.03 | clacker | If they're the same version (the cd and the system) it should work |
| 23:36.24 | clacker | I'm not sure otherwise, but like mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/somedir; chroot /mnt/somedir |
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| 23:37.03 | clacker | At least that's the first thing I'd try, and I'm just guessing |
| 23:37.03 | GhostlyDeath | Can I get a list of every package installed on my computer and easily put it inside a text file? |
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| 23:37.13 | abrotman | !installed |
| 23:37.14 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 23:37.26 | nikosapi | GhostlyDeath: dpkg -l > file.txt |
| 23:37.30 | |messiah| | ok, but in the prompt of the boot CD what I have to put? |
| 23:37.41 | GhostlyDeath | # right? |
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| 23:38.45 | floppyears | hi good afternoon guys |
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| 23:38.56 | floppyears | I have finally been able to setup a mail server in my debian machine |
| 23:39.07 | bpun | you can also pass dpkg -l to |sort |
| 23:39.08 | floppyears | and I can successfully send & receive msgs |
| 23:39.24 | floppyears | but whenever I read a msg the system moves it to ~/mbox |
| 23:39.31 | floppyears | is this something common ? |
| 23:39.49 | bpun | floppyears, why is that such a bad thing? |
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| 23:40.31 | floppyears | bpun: I was just accostumed to all the mail being in 1 folder |
| 23:40.39 | Sanitoeter | hi. ./configure says, that I need to have 'the X11 libraries and headers installed'; does anyone know which package(s) I need? |
| 23:40.44 | floppyears | bpun: is this common in debian and other unix systems ? |
| 23:41.26 | bpun | floppyears, no clue, but it's prboably configurable.. |
| 23:41.32 | clacker | |messiah| you shouldn't have to use anything if it's a livecd. You just mount it somewhere and chroot to that place and it's like you booted into it (for the most part) |
| 23:41.46 | clacker | after the cd's booted that is |
| 23:42.27 | bpun | clacker, i wouldn't use such an analogy.. none of the silly bootscripts are actually booted in chroot |
| 23:43.03 | clacker | true, it would probably only work if they were the same release |
| 23:43.38 | bpun | |messiah|, if your cddrive is messed- i think there's a grub for winbloze and you can access your grub setting file with an e2fsexplorer program.. or whichever way is good for you.. |
| 23:43.52 | |messiah| | clacker is not a liveCD |
| 23:44.00 | |messiah| | is the minimun installation CD of debian |
| 23:44.06 | clacker | ahh |
| 23:44.06 | floppyears | cool thanks bpun |
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| 23:44.17 | bpun | floppyears, what's your mta? |
| 23:44.30 | |messiah| | I have a prompt when I start from the CD, but i don't know how to access |
| 23:44.39 | |messiah| | to the linux extension |
| 23:44.54 | bpun | floppyears, i'm presuming exim is what you're using the #exim team would know well.. |
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| 23:46.20 | micky | hello, i have a debian box with 2 internet connections ( eth1 (4bmit) and eth2(2,5mbit) ) and the internal lan interface is eth0 ( e1000 gbit ), what is the best way to go from here ? i would like to have 2 private subnets on eth0 each using it`s own route but i'm a bit confused if having 2 default gw`s will not be a problem when not using dinamic default gw`s ( like in changing the gw for each outgoing connection )-> please take a look at this image for what |
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| 23:47.49 | micky | anyone ? |
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| 23:48.29 | puddingpimp_work | micky, not sure on the specifics but assuming you are doing masquerade you can probably set it up to route traffic on a per-connection basis |
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| 23:48.44 | puddingpimp_work | it would give you better load balancing at any rate |
| 23:49.09 | micky | puddingpimp_work could you point me to some docs on that ? yes i'm dooing masquerade |
| 23:49.19 | bpun | micky, what do yo umean you have two internet connections? |
| 23:49.45 | micky | bpun i have 2 connections to the internet ( both on ethernet conenctions ) take a look at the image i posted |
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| 23:50.08 | Lemming | there is none |
| 23:50.18 | micky | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.38 | puddingpimp_work | micky, I herd it's possible, I don't know exactly where to start though, I've never done it myself |
| 23:51.41 | simonrvn | micky: www.lartc.org - they talk about exactly this sort of thing |
| 23:51.57 | bpun | micky, what you want to do is make a virtual network interface to merge eth1+eth2, and have eth1+eth2 on 'multilink' -- am no expert on this but is what i presume what you want to do.. |
| 23:51.59 | puddingpimp_work | micky, and it means unless you have rules for certain things, you won't be able to predict what address your connections are coming from, might cause problems with some webpages and the like |
| 23:52.19 | |messiah| | How can I start my debian with the CD of instalation? |
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| 23:52.34 | puddingpimp_work | bpun, you can only do that if they both go to the same place and said place also supports multilink |
| 23:52.44 | micky | i've done it before but i used 2 default gateways wich are changed on a per connection basis ... imagine running a torrent application that has 50+ connections.. the server would have to change your gateway for each conenction |
| 23:52.49 | puddingpimp_work | *AKA Channel bonding |
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| 23:57.54 | bpun | FernandoMM, there's also webmin, there may be a mod for supporting its gui for that as well.. |
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| 23:58.07 | micky | bpun so i should use the first case in my image ? use a 254 netmask and have just one gateway ? |
| 23:58.21 | FernandoMM | tmorton: bpun thanks, i'll take a look. |
| 23:58.38 | simonrvn | !webmin |
| 23:58.38 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 23:58.46 | bpun | micky, i don't know exactly what you're using the two isp connections for.. are you tring to do load balancing? |
| 23:58.48 | valdyn | FernandoMM: X is network transparent |
| 23:59.02 | micky | puddingpimp_work the idea is that both iternet connections are from the same provider ( not really cooperative thou ) but they cant give more than 4mbit / line cos they`re adsl`s |
| 23:59.23 | clacker | hm |
| 23:59.41 | micky | bpun using 2 because i need more speed and the provider cant boost the main channel |
