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| 00:02.48 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I broke my system :( I installed compiz and did some changes, now how can I go back to metacity? |
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| 00:03.22 | gpm | lol |
| 00:04.04 | fasta | lol |
| 00:04.16 | fasta | How predictable... |
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| 00:04.39 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: you kill all compiz related processes |
| 00:04.53 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: you deinstall compiz |
| 00:05.02 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: you check whether it works |
| 00:05.15 | phogg | gonzaloaf_laptop: wherever you made configuration changes, unmake them. Or just rm the config files for a brute-force reset (user config only, please) |
| 00:05.24 | abrotman | metacity --replace ? |
| 00:05.35 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, just run this command? |
| 00:05.36 | solemnwarning | rm -rf /etc? :P |
| 00:05.41 | solemnwarning | j/k |
| 00:05.45 | abrotman | solemnwarning: don't joke |
| 00:05.47 | abrotman | about that :) |
| 00:05.51 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: try it |
| 00:05.51 | phogg | solemnwarning: not a good joke |
| 00:05.56 | solemnwarning | rm -rf /? ^^ |
| 00:06.01 | abrotman | i don't know how invasive compiz is |
| 00:06.02 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: after you killed compiz, do abrotman's command |
| 00:06.03 | abrotman | solemnwarning: SHUT UP |
| 00:06.50 | fasta | abrotman: not very, IIRC |
| 00:07.04 | abrotman | i don't know .. i read the instructions .. wasn't worth the effort :) |
| 00:07.27 | fasta | I installed it from a Debian package once. |
| 00:07.43 | abrotman | sure .. but there was more |
| 00:07.48 | abrotman | at the time anyways |
| 00:07.52 | gonzaloaf_laptop | what is the file that modifies if I add an entry to Desktop->Preferences->Sessions->Startup programs ? |
| 00:08.05 | fasta | The algorithms are _so_ stupid, it's impossible to comprehend how someone every made such a program. |
| 00:08.21 | fasta | s/every/ever |
| 00:08.43 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: why not just use the GUI? |
| 00:08.48 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: it worked for me |
| 00:08.56 | abrotman | i'm assuming the GUI doesn't start :) |
| 00:09.14 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: did you do abrotman's command? |
| 00:09.16 | dotCOMmie | is there a howto for getting stack trace of debian packages? |
| 00:09.19 | gonzaloaf_laptop | fasta, abrotman is right |
| 00:09.26 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: strace ? |
| 00:09.31 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: tell us what you did otherwise, we cannot know what you are doing |
| 00:09.33 | abrotman | fasta: there's a first! |
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| 00:09.45 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: or you mean a backtrace ? |
| 00:09.47 | dotCOMmie | abrotman: stack trace |
| 00:09.59 | fasta | abrotman: ? |
| 00:10.05 | dotCOMmie | abrotman: not syscall trace |
| 00:10.06 | abrotman | fasta: first time i was right :) |
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| 00:10.43 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: i think you mean a backtrace |
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| 00:10.59 | dotCOMmie | right |
| 00:11.17 | gonzaloaf_laptop | fasta, abrotman, I cant because every time that my gnome loads there is an entry in startup programs that runs "compiz --replace --fast-filter" |
| 00:11.26 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I want to delete this entry first |
| 00:11.30 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: so delete it! |
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| 00:11.53 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: what is holding you back? |
| 00:11.58 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, what file do I have to edit? |
| 00:12.12 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: you need to learn answering questions |
| 00:12.17 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I cant delete this entry using the gui, because my gui doesnt load |
| 00:12.30 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: did you kill compiz? |
| 00:12.49 | gonzaloaf_laptop | yes |
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| 00:13.03 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: can you start a terminal? |
| 00:13.19 | gonzaloaf_laptop | fasta, yes |
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| 00:13.28 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: start one |
| 00:13.36 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: then do abrotman's command |
| 00:13.45 | Gerrit | Goodnight |
| 00:13.45 | gonzaloaf_laptop | fasta, already did that |
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| 00:13.47 | karsten | solemnwarning: Do *not* joke about that command. |
| 00:13.52 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: what happened? |
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| 00:13.59 | lymeca | There's a machine without an external IP address on a LAN/NAT across the country which I want VNC access to. I do have SSH access on another machine on said LAN which does have an external IP though. I know then that I am able to connect to the VNC server via an SSH tunnel over the Internet to the other server, but how? |
| 00:14.13 | abrotman | karsten: probably listened to Cheney |
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| 00:14.36 | karsten | abrotman: Pardon? |
| 00:14.43 | abrotman | karsten: how gonzaloaf_laptop got into this mess |
| 00:14.51 | karsten | abrotman: Ah. |
| 00:14.58 | eazy3 | where's the ssh log located? |
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| 00:15.10 | abrotman | eazy3: log of access attempts ? |
| 00:15.11 | karsten | eazy3: /var/log/messages, /var/log/daemon, /var/log/auth.log |
| 00:15.12 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I receive the message"window manager: unable to open X display" |
| 00:15.18 | karsten | !set up x |
| 00:15.18 | dpkg | methinks set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 00:15.20 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: does X even start ? |
| 00:16.29 | karsten | solemnwarning: It takes one person to run that command to ruin their whole day. It is _not_ a joking matter. It reflects very poorly on the channel. My pref would be a ban, fortunately for you I'm not an op. |
| 00:16.33 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I want to delete an entry in Desktop->Preferences->Sessions->Startup programs, I think theres is a file that I have to edit |
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| 00:17.06 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: that's because you are on the console, not in a terminal, right? |
| 00:17.22 | abrotman | karsten: i tried to op you .. and failed |
| 00:18.08 | karsten | abrotman: Thanks for trying. |
| 00:18.09 | phogg | gonzaloaf_laptop: naturally. There's always a file. |
| 00:18.20 | gonzaloaf_laptop | phogg, do you know what file is it? |
| 00:18.34 | abrotman | or it's a gconf setting .. ewwwwww |
| 00:18.38 | gonzaloaf_laptop | fasta, I am in a terminal |
| 00:18.55 | gonzaloaf_laptop | fasta, ctrl + alt + f1 |
| 00:18.56 | phogg | gonzaloaf_laptop: I do not use gnome and have not looked at it for years. Maybe tyr ~/.gnome2/session, that used to be the broker of magic |
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| 00:19.06 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: that is the "console". |
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| 00:19.26 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: and it's logical the command doesn't work there. |
| 00:19.42 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: so, you first need to set up X, as said by karsten |
| 00:19.43 | gonzaloaf_laptop | fasta, so i need to delete that entry |
| 00:19.49 | karsten | abrotman: ... best I can tell, you're not ops though ;-) |
| 00:20.04 | abrotman | karsten: yeah .. i noticed that .. seems to be a problem |
| 00:20.38 | karsten | abrotman: You'll _always_ be "ops" in *my* book though, abrotman </nudge> |
| 00:20.48 | abrotman | ewwwww |
| 00:20.49 | gpm | me too |
| 00:20.55 | gpm | but not in that nudgy way |
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| 00:21.15 | phogg | say no more |
| 00:21.39 | karsten | phogg: Is that short for "photography", knowwhatimean? |
| 00:22.40 | fasta | gonzaloaf_laptop: since you have no interest is cooperation, I won't help you anymore. |
| 00:23.38 | gonzaloaf_laptop | fasta, is not a matter of cooperation... can you see the problem? |
| 00:24.04 | abrotman | i'd like to know if X even works |
| 00:24.27 | gonzaloaf_laptop | fasta, the problem is that compiz is loading every time that my X starts, so I need to remove this entry to avoid that, and run the "metacity --replace" command |
| 00:24.39 | karsten | gonzaloaf_laptop: You're going to have to be a bit more responsive to questions & requests for info if you want help. |
| 00:25.02 | fasta | s/is/in |
| 00:25.06 | karsten | gonzaloaf_laptop: Then start raw x w/o launching an X display manager or window manager, to test. |
| 00:25.08 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, gdm works, I enter my user and password, then appears my desktop without windows, bar menus..... anything |
| 00:25.17 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 00:25.23 | stew | gonzaloaf_laptop: can't you select a window manager from the gdm login screen? |
| 00:25.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stew, let me check |
| 00:26.54 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stew, yes, I chose metacity but I have the same results |
| 00:27.13 | stew | gonzaloaf_laptop: what exactly is happenening? what are the results? |
| 00:27.21 | stew | gonzaloaf_laptop: its still starting compiz? |
| 00:28.02 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stew, I enter my user and password, then appears my desktop without windows, bar menus, I just see the mouse pointer |
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| 00:28.34 | stew | sounds like gnome isnt' starting? |
| 00:28.36 | karsten | gonzaloaf_laptop: That's a Good Thing[tm] |
| 00:28.41 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stew, I tried even the failsafe Gnome session but it didnt work |
| 00:28.52 | karsten | gonzaloaf_laptop: failsafe will appear as you just described. |
| 00:29.02 | abrotman | there's a .gnome-errors i think |
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| 00:29.05 | karsten | gonzaloaf_laptop: Should be an undecorated terminal as well. |
| 00:29.11 | karsten | And .xsession-errors |
| 00:29.28 | gonzaloaf_laptop | solution? |
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| 00:29.32 | gonzaloaf_laptop | :( |
| 00:29.43 | abrotman | karsten: didn't you write half of gnome? :) |
| 00:29.47 | stew | gonzaloaf_laptop: can you put ~/.gnome-errors and ~/.xsession-errors into a pastebin? /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 00:29.57 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I should have heard fasta when told me not to try this aiglx shit |
| 00:30.04 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:30.07 | karsten | abrotman: Be careful, or I'm going to go "op" on you. |
| 00:30.22 | abrotman | karsten: last time you did that .. you broke three of my ribs .. |
| 00:30.40 | gonzaloaf_laptop | karsten, what is the "op" thing? |
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| 00:30.49 | karsten | gonzaloaf_laptop: You're too young to know. |
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| 00:32.05 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stew, ok I will pastebin those files in a second, I have to get them by ssh |
| 00:32.26 | abrotman | !pastebinwithnox |
| 00:32.29 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 00:32.33 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 00:32.33 | dpkg | well, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 00:32.44 | Madd_Matt | :s I just ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade for the first time in two weeks, and it says there are no packages to update. Are there really no updates in the last two weeks or am I having something wrong? Using Lenny. |
| 00:32.48 | karsten | gonzaloaf_laptop: hint: if you need to do a lot of SSH file transfers, try either mc (shell connection) or lftp (fish protocol). |
| 00:33.09 | phogg | I suppose xclip does not work without X running. |
| 00:33.21 | abrotman | phogg: technicality! |
| 00:33.31 | abrotman | Madd_Matt: dist-upgrade any different ? |
| 00:33.39 | Madd_Matt | Nope, no updates. |
| 00:33.44 | abrotman | Madd_Matt: did the package lists update at least ? |
| 00:33.49 | Madd_Matt | yes, they did. |
| 00:34.08 | abrotman | it's possible .. i suppose |
| 00:34.50 | abrotman | which mirror ? |
| 00:34.58 | stew | Madd_Matt: show us the output of ' apt-cache policy ' ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 00:36.01 | Madd_Matt | Wait, I think I have a bad mirror. Hold on for a minute. |
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| 00:36.31 | bitter- | ack, anyone know of a way to remap the left trackpad button to something else? |
| 00:36.37 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stew I dont have those files |
| 00:36.45 | karsten | bitter-: Such as? |
| 00:37.01 | bitter- | karsten: f12 would work |
| 00:37.07 | bitter- | or map it to the right mouse button |
| 00:37.09 | Madd_Matt | Yep, Bad mirror. ftp3.nrc.ca, which is on the debian mirror list, appears to be out of date. |
| 00:37.14 | bitter- | and then remap the left mouse button to f12 |
| 00:37.39 | abrotman | Madd_Matt: lazy canadians! |
| 00:37.43 | karsten | bitter-: IIRC you can do that in your X config. |
| 00:37.48 | abrotman | xmodmap ? |
| 00:38.01 | bitter- | abrotman: thats what i was thinkin, i need to go read about how to use it |
| 00:38.21 | bitter- | grrrrrr |
| 00:39.10 | abrotman | argh!!!!!!! |
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| 00:39.36 | stew | bitter-: do you really want to be able to hit f12 easier? or so you actually want something else to happen when you hit the mouse button? |
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| 00:39.56 | bitter- | stew: the mouse button is broken or something, kids |
| 00:40.08 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stew, I think i pasted .xsession-errors using w3m, where is it pasted? |
| 00:40.20 | stew | gonzaloaf_laptop: i dunno, where did you paste it? |
| 00:40.21 | karsten | bitter-: what mouse / touchpad? |
| 00:40.36 | gonzaloaf_laptop | !pastewithoutx |
| 00:40.37 | stew | bitter-: wait, if it is broken, why do you care what it is bound to? or am i missing something? |
| 00:40.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 00:40.42 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I used the w3m way |
| 00:40.55 | karsten | gonzaloaf_laptop: Post the URL you pasted to. |
| 00:41.05 | karsten | gonzaloaf_laptop: '=' in w3m will show the URL. |
| 00:41.06 | bitter- | karsten: synaptics? |
| 00:41.28 | karsten | bitter-: cd //usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 00:41.41 | bitter- | stew: the left button is broken. i want it mapped to the rigth, and the left one to f12 |
| 00:41.42 | karsten | bitter-: ... and read. It might not give you the answer you want ... |
| 00:41.47 | stew | gonzaloaf_laptop: aparantly you didn't submit, becuase nothing has been posted there for 45 minutes or so |
| 00:41.49 | karsten | bitter-: ... but it might shut you up for a while ;-) |
| 00:41.53 | bitter- | karsten: i'll check it :P |
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| 00:42.13 | bitter- | karsten: i think xmodmap will do what i want, so i can work |
| 00:43.19 | bitter- | it's weird that the trackpad tap doesn't work either |
| 00:43.39 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stew, http://paste.debian.net/30844 |
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| 00:45.30 | stew | bitter-: did you add 'synaptics' to your xorg.conf? |
| 00:47.23 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stew, did you see the pastebin? |
| 00:47.34 | bitter- | stew: oh yeah, it worked fine before. nothing comes out of /dev/input/mice when i click that button |
| 00:47.47 | stew | gonzaloaf_laptop: yeah, i don't see an obvious problem there. which window manager had you selected in gdm when that log was generated? |
| 00:48.15 | gonzaloaf_laptop | the last was gnome |
| 00:50.27 | stew | gonzaloaf_laptop: what happens when you select "metacity"? |
| 00:51.27 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stew, the same |
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| 00:53.29 | shwouchk | hi |
| 00:53.30 | stew | gonzaloaf_laptop: which is that you get an empty screen? |
| 00:54.13 | shwouchk | is there a way to do a headless install? |
| 00:54.13 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stew, yes |
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| 00:54.34 | shwouchk | like a CD that autostarts an ssh shell or something |
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| 00:56.40 | abrotman | shwouchk: you can do an ssh install IIRC |
| 00:58.12 | stew | gonzaloaf_laptop: what were you expecting to be different? |
| 00:58.26 | abrotman | !ssh install |
| 00:58.26 | dpkg | i heard ssh install is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-miscellaneous, or http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
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| 00:59.05 | shwouchk | thanks |
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| 01:05.21 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: fixed yet? |
| 01:05.36 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, yes |
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| 01:06.38 | unix_infidel | is it more likely to have more drive failures in external enclsoures due to heating? |
| 01:06.40 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, and I learned the lecture: "not to try those 3d F***inn thinks i a little while" |
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| 01:07.15 | unix_infidel | as opposed to internal drives? |
| 01:07.54 | rhys | ello all. how does debian keep stuff like libdvdcss, lame, and flash on the same repository? |
| 01:08.01 | abrotman | it doesn't |
| 01:08.09 | stew | rhys: debian doesn't distribute them at all |
| 01:08.11 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: or at least know how to fix it :) |
| 01:08.21 | abrotman | flash is in non-free |
| 01:08.51 | rhys | abrotman, and what is non-free ? other than a seperate directory on the same server, as ive always thought |
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| 01:09.07 | abrotman | rhys: mostly .. but it's "not part of debian" |
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| 01:09.27 | rhys | legally, how can you do that? |
| 01:09.41 | stew | rhys: debian distributes a flass installer in non-free that will download flash for you, but it is not flash itself. debian does not distribute libdbdcss or lame at all |
| 01:09.41 | abrotman | lame and libdvdcss aren't in non-free |
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| 01:12.14 | rhys | http://support.zenwalk.org/index.php/topic,8957.0.html abrotman, stew |
| 01:13.11 | abrotman | rhys: libdvdcss and lame are NOT included in any debian repository |
| 01:14.21 | rhys | abrotman, ok then. |
| 01:14.23 | abrotman | i will assume (i don't use it personally) the flashplugin-nonfree grabs a tar.gz from adobe.com |
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| 01:14.56 | xlotlu | abrotman: indeed |
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| 01:15.25 | rhys | abrotman, do you use anything non free? |
| 01:15.48 | abrotman | rhys: probably .. i also use opera |
| 01:16.14 | rhys | abrotman, just curious. debian seems to be mad in that sense. |
| 01:16.19 | abrotman | !dfsg |
| 01:16.20 | dpkg | methinks dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 01:16.46 | stew | rhys: why mad? |
| 01:16.58 | bashman | hi. |
| 01:17.00 | rhys | along with #debian IRCs mad use of the bot. How i have learned to loathe that bot. |
| 01:17.02 | bashman | Some idea about download the complete messages archive from a gruop, like google grups?... |
| 01:17.54 | abrotman | rhys: i only used it once! |
| 01:18.49 | rhys | abrotman, yea, but i havnt been in #debian for a long while. |
| 01:19.05 | abrotman | rhys: at least i didn't !tell rhys about non-free :) |
| 01:19.08 | rhys | i remember asking a naive question about binary nvidia drivers here..and dpkg raped me. |
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| 01:19.19 | abrotman | rhys: raped with the one-liner eh? |
| 01:19.25 | bashman | u |
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| 01:22.43 | dotCOMmie | any xorg developers here? |
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| 01:25.41 | Guerin | dotCOMmie: #xorg is a likelier bet |
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| 01:25.43 | stew | dotCOMmie: much more likely to find them in #xorg |
| 01:25.51 | Guerin | as bizarre as that may seem |
| 01:25.56 | dotCOMmie | everyone seems idle d: |
| 01:26.21 | Guerin | \mailing lists are usually better to get hold of developers, since they're asynchronous |
| 01:26.39 | dotCOMmie | I'm able to reproduce an xorg crash I am wondering if this backtrace is of any use in a bug report: http://pastebin.ca/575456 |
| 01:27.03 | Guerin | dotCOMmie: if in doubt, include it - maybe as an attachment |
| 01:27.09 | Guerin | dotCOMmie: it can always be ignored |
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| 01:29.43 | abrotman | now .. i don't use gdb much .. but you shouldn't have to detach if it has crashed ? |
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| 01:32.44 | wfq | hi guys, what do you usually do listen to website's radios on live. I mean, i have tried but most of them ask you to install windows media player |
| 01:33.00 | wfq | to listen to |
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| 01:33.27 | wfq | is there any plugin to emulate that? |
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| 01:34.59 | wfq | does anyone have any idea what i could do to sort out this problem? |
| 01:35.41 | abrotman | !tell wfq about w32codecs |
| 01:36.27 | wfq | abrotman, thank you |
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| 01:36.48 | n3kl_ | Does testing become less "stable" after etch becomes stable? |
| 01:37.15 | abrotman | usually .. packages begin flowing in .. stuff breaks sometimes |
| 01:37.38 | Guerin | n3kl_: it fluctuates, and usually in a downward direction immediately after a release, yes |
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| 01:39.11 | n3kl_ | Guerin: I thought it might. |
| 01:39.37 | n3kl_ | I have been running etch for a while, but now I need packages that are in testing. I have really been enjoying my stability |
| 01:40.22 | abrotman | so stay stable ? |
| 01:41.26 | Guerin | it might have calmed down by now |
| 01:41.29 | wfq | what about using ubuntu's sources to install some packages that you can't find in debian etch stable? Could it make a mess in my system? |
| 01:41.42 | dvs | wfq: absolutely |
| 01:41.59 | wfq | so yo mean, no way |
| 01:42.08 | abrotman | oh crap .. i can't remember the thing |
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| 01:42.11 | abrotman | !etchasketch |
| 01:42.13 | abrotman | oh well |
| 01:42.13 | dvs | wfq: don't even *think* about it. ;-) |
| 01:42.17 | wfq | lol lol |
| 01:42.26 | wfq | ok, i can't understand |
| 01:42.34 | wfq | sorry |
| 01:42.34 | wfq | i can |
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| 01:43.08 | aredhel | wfq, you are better off getting the src-deb and rebuilding it. But even that can brake things badly. |
| 01:43.09 | abrotman | !shake |
| 01:43.09 | dpkg | When you shake the etch-a-sketch, the picture gets all messed up. This also happens when you mix etch with testing/unstable sources. |
| 01:43.11 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:43.25 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:43.26 | abrotman | wfq: they're not the same OS .. don't try to mix them |
| 01:43.27 | dvs | but it doesn't mention ubuntu! |
| 01:43.46 | abrotman | dvs: you'd think that'd be common sense |
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| 01:43.58 | dvs | using ubuntu is like talking a hammer to the etch-a-sketch |
| 01:44.34 | wfq | yes i know, what i am going to do is try to download sources to be compiled, but the one that i am looking for, i am afraid, either i can find as binary or rpm package |
| 01:45.06 | abrotman | wfq: for what package ? |
| 01:45.10 | stew | wfq: you can backport a ubuntu package just like the procedure in /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 01:45.29 | wfq | abrotman the one that we spoke before |
| 01:45.32 | wfq | w32codecs |
| 01:45.41 | abrotman | uhm .. the factoid tells you how to get them |
| 01:45.44 | dvs | wfq: but that's a multimedia package |
| 01:46.01 | wfq | yes but is not lawful for debian |
| 01:46.24 | sandrot | I'm trying to install postfix via apt-get in a script but the graphical configuration for postfix pauses the script. Any way to apt-get install without the auto configuration thing showing up? |
| 01:46.27 | dvs | wfq: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 01:46.55 | n3kl_ | abrotman: I am looking to install enlightenment, it claims it needs packages of a newer version |
| 01:47.09 | NicMac | Hi there, I successfully used "mount -f ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win1" to mount a windows partition to debian, but then, when i try to mount hdb2, which i'd like to access as well, i get this error : "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb2, missing codepage or other error". Also, when I try to run cfdisk, I get a "FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive". Someone has an idea what's going on/how i can fix this? |
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| 01:47.53 | Guerin | sandrot: temporarily set debconf priority to `high' or something |
| 01:48.03 | Guerin | sandrot: man debconf; should tell you more |
| 01:48.05 | Madd_Matt | NicMac, can you mount hdb2 with hdb1 unmounted? |
| 01:48.10 | sandrot | Guerin: thanks for getting me started =) |
| 01:48.14 | Guerin | sandrot: i'm not 100% sure it can be turned off entirely |
| 01:48.14 | wfq | dvs, thanks. what does cluestick mean? English is not my mother tongue and i can't find it on http://www.wordreference.com/definition/cluestick |
| 01:48.34 | mmlj4 | wfq: cluestick, cluebat... both are the same |
| 01:48.44 | NicMac | Madd_Matt, nope, i tried unmounting hdb1, but i get the same error |
| 01:48.49 | dvs | wfq: it's just an expression. it means I'm giving you a hint |
| 01:49.02 | mmlj4 | if you do not "have a clue", then someone can hit you with a clue bat |
| 01:49.26 | mmlj4 | a "clue" is an understanding of how something works |
| 01:49.30 | wfq | oh lol lol i got it now |
| 01:49.31 | NicMac | well, i unmounted hdb1 successfully, then retried mounting hdb2 and still get the error |
| 01:49.36 | abrotman | wfq: try cluebat :) |
| 01:50.10 | abrotman | stupid dictionary |
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| 01:50.46 | wfq | lol lol, i thought this one was one of the best on the internet but it seems to be not |
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| 01:50.52 | wfq | it is not |
| 01:51.28 | abrotman | you could try the urbandictionary .. but that might suck up the next two weeks of your life |
| 01:53.13 | wfq | abrotman, this kind of things you just can learn in any country which its mother tongue is english ( i am in one of them now but i need time... lol lol lol) |
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| 01:54.30 | karsten | abrotman: No!!!! Not the urbandictionary!!!! |
| 01:54.40 | abrotman | it's too late |
| 01:55.16 | wfq | karsten yes, that is good |
| 01:55.41 | wfq | between urbandictionary and dictionary there is not a gapa but an universe |
| 01:55.42 | karsten | abrotman: Stayed in bed all morning just to pass the time... http://tinyurl.com/3y3hwz |
| 01:55.54 | karsten | wfq: An urbaniverse. |
| 01:55.58 | wfq | lol |
| 01:56.01 | abrotman | karsten: are you having a sad day ? |
| 01:56.16 | karsten | abrotman: Sad songs they say so much... |
| 01:56.43 | abrotman | karsten: got some burt bacharach cued up ? |
| 01:56.54 | karsten | abrotman: Do tell. |
| 01:56.56 | Guerin | NOES |
| 01:56.59 | Guerin | say it ain't so |
| 01:57.06 | abrotman | karsten: you .. not me |
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| 01:57.43 | karsten | abrotman: "This guy's in love with you"? |
| 01:57.55 | karsten | Guerin: What's new, pussycat? |
| 01:58.07 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:58.45 | Guerin | karsten: it got cold enough to buy a heater last night |
| 01:58.56 | Guerin | karsten: unfortunately now we have to buya dehumidifier, too |
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| 01:59.02 | karsten | Heh. |
| 01:59.04 | abrotman | why? |
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| 01:59.12 | abrotman | winters here are dry |
| 01:59.15 | Guerin | abrotman: because the heater is unflued LPG |
| 01:59.24 | Guerin | abrotman: that's because it gets properly cold here |
| 01:59.30 | abrotman | Guerin: it does? |
| 01:59.34 | karsten | Guerin: What's "properly cold"? |
| 01:59.37 | karsten | Guerin: 54F? |
| 01:59.43 | abrotman | that's cold ? |
| 01:59.53 | Guerin | it only gets down to a couple degrees below freezing here, and as a consequence, people never build houses which retain heat properly |
| 02:00.01 | abrotman | so .. it doesn't get cold here ? |
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| 02:00.18 | Guerin | abrotman: no, I meant `there' |
| 02:00.19 | wfq | where are you guys now so that wintes is on you? |
| 02:00.20 | abrotman | we had days that were like 20F high for the day |
| 02:00.25 | wfq | winter |
| 02:00.33 | Guerin | here it doesn't get really cold, but where you arem, it sure does |
| 02:00.45 | Guerin | wfq: Nyu Zillun |
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| 02:00.51 | abrotman | so .. it's properly cold here .. not there |
| 02:00.59 | abrotman | well .. in the winter :) |
| 02:01.02 | Guerin | abrotman: yes, there, but not here ;) |
| 02:01.16 | abrotman | now .. if you want to talk about cold .. ask dvs |
| 02:01.22 | wfq | Nyu Zillun, oh yes, i was there last year, really nice |
| 02:01.25 | wfq | heheehehe |
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| 02:01.34 | Guerin | anyway, what this means is that the houses are draughty, single-glazed, with no real design for heat-retention and no insulation |
| 02:01.40 | Guerin | which means we have to use heaters |
| 02:01.53 | abrotman | wussies |
| 02:02.13 | Guerin | the problem is that electric heating is painfully expensive, so people mostly use stand-alone gas, which release huge amounts of moisture into the air |
| 02:02.17 | Guerin | hence, dehumidifiers |
| 02:02.24 | Guerin | yes, it's fucking retarded |
| 02:02.34 | Guerin | but that's how it is |
| 02:02.40 | abrotman | i have half and half! |
| 02:02.52 | abrotman | but both make it dry in here .. and my guitars are not happy! |
| 02:04.05 | wfq | do you usually play guitar? which sort of them? |
| 02:04.25 | abrotman | i've a few |
| 02:04.48 | wfq | what about the spanish one? do you like it? |
| 02:05.13 | abrotman | i have one .. it's fine .. it was my first |
| 02:05.22 | Guerin | it'll always be special |
| 02:06.05 | abrotman | well .. it was also my uncle's .. who died about a year after i was born and a day before my brother was born :) |
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| 02:06.33 | abrotman | and also on thanksgiving day |
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| 02:06.50 | abrotman | with my other uncle |
| 02:07.09 | abrotman | TMI :) |
| 02:07.45 | Guerin | anteek ;) |
| 02:08.18 | abrotman | it is now .. 37-ish years old |
| 02:08.18 | Guerin | i would once again like to plug archive.org as the ultimate win |
| 02:08.40 | abrotman | been there .. nice music section :) |
| 02:09.01 | Guerin | quite |
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| 02:11.33 | wfq | is it possible to pass from debian 3.1 to debian etch with the less impact possible |
| 02:11.44 | abrotman | !sarge->etch |
| 02:11.44 | dpkg | i heard sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
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| 02:17.15 | bashman | http://www.macrocats.com/comments.php?id=P297_0_1_144 |
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| 02:19.38 | wfq | well, i am reading on 2.1 What's new in the distribution? nose of the etch's release and i have seem i have got all of those versions. The thing is how i could know if a debian is etch or not. I have used uame -a, cat /etc/apt/source.list and /etc/debian_version |
| 02:20.01 | xlotlu | i so hate /emul ... every time i wanna find something from /etc i need to write 3 letters instead of 2 |
| 02:20.16 | wfq | in theory etch starts on 4.0 and my is 3.1 what would mean mine is sarge yet |
| 02:20.38 | stew | wfq: compare the installed version of libc6 with availalbe versions on http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 02:21.06 | Guerin | xlotlu: put it in /wtf |
| 02:21.48 | abrotman | /wtf/pr0n/animal/ ? |
| 02:21.53 | asg | Guerin: my wtf is in /usr/games |
| 02:21.55 | xlotlu | eww |
| 02:22.20 | abrotman | oh .. i missed my chance for /wtf/pr0n/animal/sheep/ ... crap!!! |
| 02:22.44 | asg | abrotman: A-Rod, Wang |
| 02:22.48 | wfq | stew, i can see mine is like stable and not like oldstable |
| 02:22.59 | stew | wfq: stable is etch |
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| 02:23.20 | wfq | in fact i've got stable in my source.list |
| 02:23.47 | abrotman | asg: heh |
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| 02:23.57 | wfq | the question was, this senteces on wikiipedia confused me: As of April 2007, the latest stable release is version 4.0, code name etch.[9] When a new version is released, the previous stable is labeled oldstable; currently, this is version 3.1, code name sarge. |
| 02:24.13 | wfq | and i've got 3.1 |
| 02:24.33 | wfq | at least, that is what /etc/debian_versions says |
| 02:24.54 | dasunt | Can LVM be used on only part of a drive? |
| 02:24.55 | asg | wfq: the problem is that debian ships with 'stable' in the sources for each release. If a new release comes out, you still have 'stable' in your sources but you likely cannot install packages or upgrade packages without performing the documented upgrade. |
| 02:25.30 | stew | wfq: then it sounds like you have some of sarge and some of etch, meaning you have partially upgraded to etch, but have not yet completed the upgrade, you should be following the procedure in chapter 4 of the release notes: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 02:26.53 | Azar | how about /wtf/goat/baaa |
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| 02:27.13 | asg | Azar: how RESTful |
| 02:27.20 | Azar | :) |
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| 02:28.28 | wfq | ok guys, once again your help is aboslutely useful. Thanks a lot. I am going to bed, it is so late. Take care friends. |
| 02:28.43 | asg | have a good one |
| 02:28.56 | Azar | wfq: next time edit your sources.list to exactly show what you are using so you don't get cought in between distros: sarge(for old stable), etch(for stable), lenny(for testing) and sid(for unstable) << use the names |
| 02:29.18 | eldowan | I've a quick question. Is there a way to invite someone to shell access? say the machine is behind a firewall with no port forwarding available. Is there a way that the machine can initiate a connection so that a user can get shell access? I guess it would be like VNC's listening viewer. |
| 02:31.12 | wfq | Azar. i think the problem was i have used my old sarge debian cd but when i installed the basic debian syste i have done by using ftp sources, which were etch. It could be a "debian mistake" as i haven't done anything else different than the earlier explanation |
| 02:31.59 | Azar | wfq: no, you left your sources.list with / stable in and when etch became stable, your box used the etch's sources. use the names, instead of stable: etch |
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| 02:32.35 | wfq | ohhhhhh yes i got it now |
| 02:33.26 | Azar | if you want to stay with sarge, replace / stable with / sarge in your sources.list. |
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| 02:33.45 | Azar | when you want to dist-upgrade to etch, change it to / etch |
| 02:33.52 | wfq | in theory when i used my old sarge debian cd i had to written in my source list oldstable to continue with sarge. |
| 02:34.14 | Azar | no, you write / sarge. |
| 02:34.18 | wfq | yes yes |
| 02:34.40 | wfq | i now. So you recommend me to use the explicit name etch |
| 02:34.46 | wfq | instead of using /stable |
| 02:34.56 | abrotman | !tell wfq about sarge->etch |
| 02:34.58 | Azar | wfq: only if you want to move >> up to etch. |
| 02:35.20 | wfq | yes, of course. that is what i would like to do. I understand. |
| 02:35.31 | Azar | wfq: read the dpkg's advice on upgrading from sarge>to>etch |
| 02:35.34 | twobitsprite | so.. I have a .pcf font file... but the /etc/X11/fonts dir has 100dpi and 75dpi sub-dirs... how do I know which to put it in? |
| 02:35.43 | abrotman | put it in both! |
| 02:35.43 | wfq | abrotma, i have seen the web site. I will read it tomorrow |
| 02:35.54 | wfq | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ |
| 02:35.58 | wfq | this one |
| 02:36.13 | Azar | wfq: read because you need to prepare before the upgrade. |
| 02:37.03 | wfq | yes i can imagine, i have to read in further details. I have just left my debian ready and i don't want to start againg if i don't follow steps properly |
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| 02:37.58 | wfq | these are the collateral effect to use windows along the whole last year |
| 02:38.04 | wfq | :) |
| 02:38.05 | turing_ | hi all, totally OT: |
| 02:38.27 | turing_ | for any Brazilians - what is the portugese word for "person of the same name" ? |
| 02:38.33 | abrotman | !br |
| 02:38.34 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:38.48 | turing_ | yes, but I don't speak portugese :) |
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| 02:39.03 | abrotman | turing_: ask them in english ? |
| 02:39.13 | turing_ | I intend to :) |
| 02:39.31 | wfq | turing, i am spanish cand i can tell you more o less. In spanish is tocayo |
| 02:39.32 | azeem | turing_: you're in the wrong channel, dude |
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| 02:39.39 | wfq | may be it could be the same |
| 02:39.53 | abrotman | turing_: or ask babelfish ? |
| 02:40.11 | wfq | turing, i am wron, in portuguese is xara |
| 02:40.26 | wfq | wrong |
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| 02:40.26 | turing_ | wfq: danke :) |
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| 02:40.47 | wfq | danke? what is that? |
| 02:40.51 | wfq | lol lol lol lol |
| 02:40.58 | wfq | that sounds german |
| 02:41.02 | asg | wfq: it is |
| 02:41.32 | wfq | i was born in Germany but i just was over there 5 year. |
| 02:42.54 | wfq | ok guys, now yes, it is time to bed. have a good night/day, whatever that it is at the moment in your countries |
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| 02:47.57 | lymeca | There's a machine without an external IP address on a LAN/NAT across the country which I want VNC access to. I do have SSH access on another machine on said LAN which does have an external IP though. I know then that I am able to connect to the VNC server via an SSH tunnel over the Internet to the other server... |
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| 02:48.34 | lymeca | But what special ssh connect command do I need to use? |
| 02:48.49 | lymeca | Say the internal LAN IP is 192.168.0.100 and VNC port 450 |
| 02:48.52 | cope[dev] | command line ssh -p <port number> username@host |
| 02:49.21 | cope[dev] | ahhh |
| 02:49.24 | lymeca | But the IP I have access to is 123.123.123.123 which I can login to via SSH over port 22 |
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| 02:49.52 | lymeca | I just want to use 123.123.123.123:22 as an intermediary between me and the VNC server which is at 192.168.0.100:450 |
| 02:50.02 | cope[dev] | it can be a bit confusing but you will need to connect to the ssh tunnel, one way is to create a local port forwarder using ssh to forward packets across the tunnel |
| 02:50.03 | dclarke | question : can I perform an update of my system with aptitude dist-update ?? |
| 02:50.15 | abrotman | you can |
| 02:50.17 | cope[dev] | then you connect to localhost from the localhost port |
| 02:50.18 | abrotman | no .. |
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| 02:50.31 | abrotman | man aptitude .. dist-upgrade or upgrade or update |
| 02:50.40 | dclarke | oh .. thanks |
| 02:50.49 | dclarke | that will do everything right ? |
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| 02:51.15 | Azar | dclarke: you want to upgrade your distro, or just get the regular updates/upgrades ? |
| 02:51.26 | dclarke | also .. should I do that from a text console and not graphics like XFCE or KDE etc etc ? |
| 02:51.35 | abrotman | doesn't matter |
| 02:51.43 | dclarke | Azar : update the whole machine .. distro .. everything to the latest |
| 02:51.44 | abrotman | Azar: also doesn't matter :) |
| 02:51.54 | Azar | abrotman: ahhhh :) |
| 02:52.11 | Azar | dclarke: what operating system and its version are you using? |
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| 02:52.37 | dclarke | Linux aequitas 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:52.54 | abrotman | that's the kernel . not the OS |
| 02:53.00 | Azar | dclarke: aequitas? never heard of.. |
| 02:53.00 | dclarke | Azar : does that help ? |
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| 02:53.09 | abrotman | Azar: that's the machine name |
| 02:53.11 | Guerin | Azar: machine name |
| 02:53.17 | Azar | :) ah |
| 02:53.19 | Guerin | look at your own uname -a |
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| 02:53.35 | Azar | thanks abrotman, Guerin, I was about to google it |
| 02:53.44 | dclarke | Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 |
| 02:53.51 | abrotman | right .. because man uname is hard |
| 02:54.00 | dclarke | cat /proc/version says that |
| 02:54.53 | abrotman | dclarke: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:54.58 | Azar | dclarke: so you are running Debian 4.1.1 well lenny? is that lenny, abrotman? |
| 02:55.21 | abrotman | dclarke: also look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:55.41 | dclarke | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 02:55.55 | abrotman | looks like etch to me |
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| 02:56.21 | dclarke | etch .. sounds right |
| 02:56.43 | dclarke | I should be safe to apt-get update-all sort of thing |
| 02:56.49 | Azar | ooo, dclarke why would you like to move to testing(lenny) ? |
| 02:57.01 | dclarke | ooo ... I don't ? |
| 02:57.01 | xlotlu | should i give up reiserfs and switch to ext3? (not trying to start a flamewar :) ..) |
| 02:57.19 | dclarke | Azar, truthfully ... I really don't know |
| 02:57.25 | Azar | dclarke: dist-upgrade moves you from one version (etch) to the next one (lenny) |
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| 04:23.07 | dasunt | Okay, I have a corrupted root partition. |
| 04:23.15 | dasunt | Everything is on it 'cept /var, /home, etc. |
| 04:23.17 | sanxiyn | Azar: In most cases, "cdrecord image.iso" is enough to burn ISO. |
| 04:23.19 | dasunt | Suggestions? |
| 04:23.27 | dasunt | I think I lost about half the files on it. |
| 04:23.30 | sanxiyn | Azar: Confusingly, cdrecord is called wodim on Debian. |
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| 04:24.22 | Azar | sanxiyn: the specs are confusing me: I have a NEC DVD-RW ND-3520A ATAPI CD/DVD_ROM drive... not sure if it will burn a regular CD-RW... |
| 04:25.10 | dasunt | Can I force a reinstall of all packages? |
| 04:25.13 | Azar | well I will order both, DVD and CD RW ones... I already destroyed 27 CDs.. |
| 04:25.16 | dasunt | Or is that a VERY BAD THING? |
| 04:25.21 | hatter | dammit. ffmpeg actually didnt encode the audio. |
| 04:25.37 | metbsd | why do they rename everything in debian |
| 04:25.40 | sanxiyn | dasunt: It's okay. Use --reinstall option. |
| 04:25.46 | metbsd | firefox is called iceweasel? |
| 04:25.51 | dasunt | sanxiyn: Of all packages? |
| 04:25.52 | metbsd | cdrecord is called wodim |
| 04:25.53 | sanxiyn | metbsd: Because upstream demanded. |
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| 04:26.12 | Azar | trademark stuff... same thing with another name |
| 04:26.17 | sanxiyn | metbsd: Because that's what Mozilla people wanted, and what Joerg Schilling wanted. |
| 04:26.24 | dasunt | sanxiyn: This happened during a dist upgrade, so I'd like to get everything kosher first, then do a nice reinstall anyways on the bare disk. |
| 04:26.36 | metbsd | fuck joerg |
| 04:26.43 | metbsd | who is joerg schilling |
| 04:26.48 | sanxiyn | metbsd: A troll. |
| 04:27.02 | metbsd | what is he trolling |
| 04:27.15 | Azar | someone that said his stuff is stolen.. |
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| 04:27.24 | sanxiyn | metbsd: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joerg_Schilling |
| 04:27.37 | metbsd | we care about firefox, who care about his jackshlt |
| 04:28.10 | sanxiyn | metbsd: He has been a maintainer of cdrtools for a long time. |
| 04:28.10 | dasunt | sanxiyn: Howu would I pass a list of all installed packages to apt-get? |
| 04:28.20 | dasunt | sanxiyn: 'apt-get --reinstall *' ? |
| 04:28.26 | sanxiyn | dasunt: I don't recommend that. Why do you want that? |
| 04:28.42 | Azar | sanxiyn: that why I guess we don't use cdrtools anymore |
| 04:28.53 | sanxiyn | Azar: Yes. |
| 04:29.11 | sanxiyn | metbsd: And that's why cdrecod is renamed in Debian. |
| 04:29.14 | Azar | sanxiyn: his rants were published somewhere, I read it |
| 04:29.27 | dasunt | sanxiyn: Corrupted root filesystem. |
| 04:29.33 | dasunt | Hmmmm. |
| 04:29.48 | sanxiyn | dasunt: Ugh. |
| 04:29.55 | dasunt | sanxiyn: Yep. |
| 04:30.01 | dasunt | I'm debating the best course of action. |
| 04:30.07 | sanxiyn | dasunt: Disk failed? |
| 04:30.10 | dasunt | saving /etc and /home perhaps. |
| 04:30.18 | dasunt | sanxiyn: Power outage at the wrong time. |
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| 04:30.40 | wwasher | dasunt : i'm in a similar situation with a box of mine....the only ideas i've had so far is to use a live cd to get access to the partitions and scp data off of them then reinstall whatever on top of the disk and not worry |
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| 04:30.51 | Janni | Once again: I have been reading aptitude-docs but it doesn't seem to provide the same features as debfoster (selecting the orphan packages you really want and deleting all other orphan packages including dependencies). |
| 04:31.02 | Azar | metbsd: http://www.tepidpond.com/?cat=5 |
| 04:31.04 | dasunt | wwasher: Mine boots, amazingly enough, to X. |
| 04:31.07 | dasunt | But I'm missing data. |
| 04:31.12 | dasunt | Large chunks, i think. |
| 04:31.14 | Janni | Should I stick with debfoster (which is deprecated) or is there an equivalent alternative? |
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| 04:31.34 | Azar | Janni: aptitude is the one currently in use |
| 04:31.36 | wwasher | dasunt : oh, that's different, for sure. mine doesn't boot. |
| 04:31.43 | sanxiyn | Janni: Hm. Which feature is missing? |
| 04:31.46 | dasunt | Considering that this is a 5+ year old install of debian, I'm tempted to back up the system and do a reinstall. |
| 04:31.50 | dasunt | I'm sure I have cruft from it. |
| 04:31.54 | metbsd | i rather read exim documentation than anything about a god damn maintenaner |
| 04:31.58 | Azar | Janni: read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 04:32.10 | wwasher | dasunt, goes kaboom after lilo |
| 04:32.11 | metbsd | he can be simply replaced |
| 04:32.16 | dasunt | wwasher: Ouch. |
| 04:32.18 | metbsd | there's nothing special about him |
| 04:32.22 | Janni | Azar, sanxiyn: Letting you select the orphan packages and deleting the other orphan packages including dependencies |
| 04:32.27 | Janni | Azar: Willdo... |
| 04:32.38 | netdaemon | does kaffiene use the default kde settings for encoding? |
| 04:32.41 | Azar | Janni: the documentation is very good there... lots of features, tips |
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| 04:32.43 | wwasher | dasunt.... well, kabooms while it starts reading lilo... i see LI ---and then blankness. |
| 04:32.48 | Trixsey | ALSA ERROR: |
| 04:32.49 | Trixsey | audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=music: Could not open resource for writing. -> What is up with that? |
| 04:32.56 | sanxiyn | Janni: aptitude deletes any "automatically installed" packages. |
| 04:33.01 | dasunt | wwasher: Isn't that a known lilo error? |
| 04:33.07 | Azar | wwasher: repair with the first CD.. |
| 04:33.09 | dasunt | Each letter in LILO is a step. |
| 04:33.17 | Janni | sanxiyn: Ah, OK... sounds good... |
| 04:33.32 | sanxiyn | Janni: So just markauto some packages installed by dependency. |
| 04:33.44 | wwasher | dasunt : well, it was an dist upgrade to sarge from woody. i think i am one of the 30% that fail the dist upgrade |
| 04:34.10 | Azar | wwasher: you havent prepared for the upgrade.. that why |
| 04:34.11 | wwasher | dasunt : yeesh. gotta go look up what it stands for! |
| 04:34.33 | Azar | wwasher: also the kernle should have been upgraded immediately after dist-upgrade |
| 04:34.59 | wwasher | azar : ok. wasnt part of the dist upgrade? |
| 04:35.13 | Azar | wwasher: I assume you dist upgraded with a 2.4.x kernel.... that why lilo is upset |
| 04:35.17 | wwasher | azar : that's what i get for following dpkg! |
| 04:35.18 | dasunt | wwasher: Ouch. |
| 04:35.22 | dasunt | Mine upgraded fine. |
| 04:35.28 | dasunt | I had a 2.6 kernel though. |
| 04:35.48 | dasunt | I think I lost about 2 gigs of binaries, and I haven't noticed any major problems. |
| 04:35.55 | Azar | wwasher: no, you "must" read the release notes and prepare for the upgrade.... not just type dist-upgrade and magic happens.. no no nooo |
| 04:36.03 | wwasher | azar : oh, certainly 2.4 |
| 04:36.14 | sanxiyn | dasunt: You can use debsums to check files. |
| 04:36.18 | dasunt | Damn power outage. |
| 04:36.20 | dasunt | sanxiyn: Thanks. |
| 04:36.43 | sanxiyn | debsums -a -c # options stand for "all" and "changed" |
| 04:37.12 | Azar | wwasher: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 04:37.43 | Azar | wwasher: no problem I did like you once.... reinstalled woody and performed a correct upgrade after reading the release notes |
| 04:38.19 | Azar | because.......... I am damn stupid and can't understand how I can burn an iso |
| 04:38.28 | Azar | I never burned CDs... |
| 04:38.40 | sanxiyn | Azar: It's not difficult. |
| 04:38.44 | Azar | I tried..... wasted 27 CDs and got mad |
| 04:38.52 | sanxiyn | Ugh. |
| 04:38.59 | sanxiyn | Maybe it depends on hardware. :( |
| 04:38.59 | Azar | that was on windows.. |
| 04:39.17 | sanxiyn | cdrecord image.iso # worked for me ever since I've got first CD writer |
| 04:39.17 | Azar | I have very-linux-friendly boxes |
| 04:39.25 | dasunt | debsums isn't showing much missing. |
| 04:39.26 | dasunt | Odd. |
| 04:39.30 | sanxiyn | dasunt: Odd indeed. |
| 04:39.31 | dasunt | This is strange. |
| 04:39.37 | Azar | sanxiyn: I am reading the howto... there is no clue about DVD-RW there |
| 04:39.41 | dasunt | I remember the root partition being 4 gigs. |
| 04:39.46 | dasunt | 90% full. |
| 04:39.49 | dasunt | Now it is 2 gigs. |
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| 04:41.06 | Azar | gotta try to understand what is cd-rom, cd-r, dvd-rw... |
| 04:41.35 | sanxiyn | Azar: Good luck :( |
| 04:41.48 | Janni | Hmm. When I set grub as "autoinstalled" (using 'M') in autocanf it actually marks it as 'd' (to delete). I guess I shouldn't do that (since grub is my bootloader), which shouldn't trust aptitude blindly, that I can mark everything I didn't install by myself could be marked as autoinstalled... |
| 04:42.17 | Azar | sanxiyn: thanks :) |
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| 04:48.57 | Azar | sanxiyn: if I have a DVD-RW CD/DVD_ROM drive is my fstab reading it correctly? |
| 04:49.28 | Azar | .. /dev/hdc /cdrom iso9660 rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 04:51.51 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.09 | sanxiyn | I have this line: |
| 04:52.13 | sanxiyn | /dev/hdb /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 04:52.16 | eshaase | can someone please explain to me the differences between vim-full, vim-gnome and vim-gtk? |
| 04:52.48 | enouf | Azar: cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info (what's the issue you're having?) |
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| 04:53.00 | micty | I was on the phone with my ISP. Again they tell me to reboot the modem and check again, and after a few reboots it works fine again. Just to malfunction another day though |
| 04:53.19 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.36 | enouf | i have a cdrw and a dvdrw .. hdd is the vd drive |
| 04:54.31 | enouf | i burn dvd isos using grwoisofs -- it's in the dvd+rw-tools pkg |
| 04:55.34 | micty | I think I'll add a QoS rule to the ADSL modem |
| 04:56.39 | bullgard4 | lspci -vv prints: "0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRIV (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)." Where are domain, bus, slot and func of man lspci defined? |
| 04:56.53 | Janni | I read some more documentation abut aptitude, but I still think it doesn't offer the functionality I need. Right now, I have a lot of packages installed, and none of them are marked as autoinstalled, so what I need to do is to select every single installed package and mark it as auto/noauto... |
| 04:57.07 | Janni | But that should only be necessary for orphaned packages... |
| 04:57.37 | Janni | But, I think aptitude doesn't offer the functionality to walk just over the list of orphaned packages, or am I wrong? |
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| 04:58.05 | sanxiyn | Janni: Hm, yes, "manually installed" packages stay manually installed. |
| 04:58.13 | Janni | I guess the problem is, that I haven't been using aptitude to intsall my packages from the beginning... |
| 04:58.25 | Janni | otherwise they would be marked corretly now... |
| 04:58.26 | sanxiyn | Janni: Have you run debfoster2aptitude already? |
| 04:58.43 | Janni | No. I haven't used debfoster, yet (since its deprecated) |
| 04:58.52 | sanxiyn | Hm. |
| 04:58.56 | Janni | But maybe I should it run once, nevertheless... |
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| 04:59.13 | Janni | So I could select my orphans, then feed it to aptitude... |
| 04:59.22 | sanxiyn | Good luck :( |
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| 05:01.48 | dasunt | So is there any reason why my root partion should have gone from 4 gigs to 2 gigs during an upgrade? |
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| 05:02.24 | sanxiyn | dasunt: Maybe some big packages were deleted? |
| 05:02.37 | sanxiyn | Hm, doesn't make sense. |
| 05:02.38 | sanxiyn | No idea. |
| 05:03.19 | dasunt | I dunno. |
| 05:03.33 | dasunt | I didn't check the size of the drive before the upgrade, only during it. |
| 05:03.37 | chytraeus | hi, i'm using lenny and sound quit working. asoundconf list in terminal doesn't show any sound cards available however i have two |
| 05:03.44 | dasunt | So maybe part of the upgrade process temporarily bloated it? |
| 05:03.57 | dasunt | chytraeus: "Lenny" doesn't sound like a debian release. |
| 05:04.10 | dasunt | Oh wait. |
| 05:04.11 | dasunt | Ne'ermind. |
| 05:04.12 | netdaemon | well it is |
| 05:04.13 | dasunt | Stupid. |
| 05:04.14 | netdaemon | lol |
| 05:04.15 | sanxiyn | dasunt: .deb files are first downloaded, and then installed. apt-get clean deletes them. |
| 05:04.22 | dasunt | I thought it was an ubuntu release! |
| 05:04.22 | netdaemon | :P |
| 05:04.25 | dasunt | SRSLY. |
| 05:04.31 | netdaemon | no |
| 05:04.32 | dasunt | "loopy lenny" or something. |
| 05:04.36 | sanxiyn | dasunt: Heh. |
| 05:04.36 | netdaemon | ubuntu has things like horny hippo |
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| 05:04.39 | dasunt | Sounds like an Ubuntu release. |
| 05:04.40 | netdaemon | and fiesty fawn |
| 05:04.42 | netdaemon | and what not.. |
| 05:04.43 | metbsd | is 2.6.10rc3 kernel a pkg of debian? |
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| 05:04.50 | sanxiyn | netdaemon: horny hippo now that's funny |
| 05:04.56 | chytraeus | well you probably get lots of of ubuntu users here |
| 05:05.18 | zog-vsl | galeon acroread problems after recent xulrunner updates, anyone know much? |
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| 05:08.43 | dasunt | chytraeus: Yah, sorry about that. |
| 05:08.52 | dasunt | Didn' realize that Lenny is the new name of testing. |
| 05:10.05 | karsten | chytraeus: We deal with them efficientlyh. |
| 05:10.20 | chytraeus | that's okay. i just pasted some output in dpkg paster but don't know how to display it here. |
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| 05:10.31 | karsten | chytraeus: Post the URL. |
| 05:10.37 | Azar | enouf thanks, I am trying to figure out my DVD/CD burner... |
| 05:10.46 | karsten | zog-vsl: galeon? I heard it was dead. |
| 05:11.07 | Azar | don't know what discs to buy.. |
| 05:11.17 | karsten | Azar: I'm trying to figure out my girlfriend. |
| 05:11.30 | Azar | karsten: :) hehe that is a real tough one... |
| 05:11.34 | karsten | Azar: s/disc/... nevermind. |
| 05:11.44 | zog-vsl | karsten: regardless of it's liveness or deadness you can apt-get install it in etch |
| 05:12.08 | Azar | whatever can mean : modes supported? man they are so many... |
| 05:12.08 | enouf | Azar: once you install that dvd+rw-tools pkg man grwoisfs .. also note Debian now uses Wodim (for cdrecord) -- Genisoimage (for mkisofs), and |
| 05:12.09 | zog-vsl | karsten: and I am just very used to it |
| 05:12.23 | enouf | !love karsten |
| 05:12.31 | Azar | enouf: trying to get something on command line.. no .dm here |
| 05:12.39 | Azar | I got cdrecord and cdw.. |
| 05:12.47 | karsten | zog-vsl: That was mostly an editorial comment. Before it got gnome-disease, galeon was a pretty good browser. These days I run Konqueror (and Iceweasel when I must). Isn't Epiphany pretty much the same as Galeon these days? |
| 05:12.49 | bullgard4 | lspci -vv prints: "0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRIV (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)." Where are domain, bus, slot and func of man lspci defined? |
| 05:13.06 | xlotlu | chytraeus: asoundconf didn't work for me in etch either.. look the sound cards up with cat /proc/asound/cards or aplay -L |
| 05:13.21 | Azar | enouf: http://www.burnworld.com/dvd-burner/nec-nd3520a.htm << |
| 05:13.25 | chytraeus | here's the url after typing in lspci -v |
| 05:13.26 | karsten | zog-vsl: Galeon 2.1.13 was the zenith of Galeon, it's really tanked since. |
| 05:13.27 | sanxiyn | bullgard4: Domain is 0, bus is 0, slot is 1f, and func is 3? |
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| 05:13.45 | zog-vsl | karsten: yes, galeon did go to pot once it tried to get down with gnome, the multi-proxy selector was ace, why did they dump it? I have to test about 4 proxies for my work |
| 05:13.51 | enouf | Azar: mines the NEC ND-3550A ;-) |
| 05:13.51 | chytraeus | oops here it is: http://paste.debian.net/30851 |
| 05:13.55 | Azar | enouf: don't know what kind of discs to buy.... to burn an iso |
| 05:14.15 | Azar | enouf: eh... this box has 2 years.. |
| 05:14.16 | enouf | Azar: the dvd+ work fine here ;-) |
| 05:14.20 | bullgard4 | sanxiyn: yes. And please tell me, what 'domain' means. |
| 05:14.29 | Azar | enouf: for an iso a dvd is not too big? |
| 05:14.34 | sanxiyn | bullgard4: No idea. |
| 05:14.40 | wols | Azar: this is a dual mode burner. but buy DVD+ |
| 05:14.41 | zog-vsl | karsten: I might just jump over to epiphany or firefox, I have dumped gnome and gone to xfce4 and never looked back |
| 05:14.41 | Spyro_boy | I just installed Lenny to my laptop |
| 05:14.48 | bullgard4 | sanxiyn: Right. |
| 05:14.52 | metbsd | is 2.6.10rc3 a supported kernel in debian? |
| 05:14.56 | Azar | wols: DVD+RW? |
| 05:15.01 | Spyro_boy | On my box, rcconf manages daemons on boot but for some reason rcconf doesn't exist on my lappy. |
| 05:15.05 | Spyro_boy | any ideas? |
| 05:15.17 | enouf | Azar: i use R exclusively ,, i don't like RW .. but that's your choice .. make sure you buy Taiyo-Yuden blank media (though some others are ok too) |
| 05:15.19 | wols | AciD: DVD+ exists both as R and R/W |
| 05:15.31 | metbsd | if not, what's a good way to upgrade this customized 2.6.10rc3 kernel to latest without the original conf file? |
| 05:15.34 | sanxiyn | metbsd: Apparently no. |
| 05:15.40 | xlotlu | chytraeus: is there a chance you don't have headphones / sound system plugged to one of the sound cards? or your master channel might be muted |
| 05:15.43 | chytraeus | cat /proc/asound/cards listed both cards. but i don't know what to do next |
| 05:15.43 | sanxiyn | metbsd: Current *stable* kernel is 2.6.18. |
| 05:15.44 | enouf | Azar: i've burned to crappy CD-RW with this burner too ;-) |
| 05:15.47 | Azar | enouf: because I destroyed 27 CD-Rs.. in the past |
| 05:15.50 | wols | metbsd: supported in what way? |
| 05:15.59 | enouf | Azar: i here ya .. |
| 05:16.00 | sanxiyn | metbsd: 2.6.10rc3 must be older than stable. |
| 05:16.08 | metbsd | sanxiyn, i want to upgrade it since it keeps giving me kernel panic |
| 05:16.13 | enouf | ofcourse it is |
| 05:16.21 | sanxiyn | metbsd: Upgrade then. |
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| 05:16.30 | wols | metbsd: why aren't you just usng etch and its kernel? |
| 05:16.31 | karsten | zog-vsl: I've always been WindowMaker. XFCE's pretty slick, though I'd lean KDE myself. Konqueror's a damned good browser these days. |
| 05:16.35 | Azar | hopefully with a debian package would be easier than nero in windows.. |
| 05:16.38 | enouf | 2.6.8 is oldstable Sarge era |
| 05:16.45 | karsten | zog-vsl: It annoys me very infrequently. |
| 05:16.51 | metbsd | sanxiyn, but it's a server kernel and customized. i can't just apt-get install |
| 05:16.57 | Yoshi | hi, iam running out of inodes. is there a way to increase the inodes? |
| 05:17.11 | karsten | Yoshi: tune2fs, maybe. |
| 05:17.13 | xlotlu | chytraeus: i just wasted a lot of time 5 hours ago because of muted default master channel.... do speaker-test and look at alsamixer |
| 05:17.14 | wols | Azar: usually it's harder in linux, tho the days or commandline cdrecord are over |
| 05:17.14 | chytraeus | xlotlu: no it's not muted and everything is plugged in. |
| 05:17.16 | enouf | Azar: well .. k3b is all the rage for wintendo-like cd/dvd burning .. i've used that too |
| 05:17.17 | metbsd | as matter of fact, i already have 2.6.18 |
| 05:17.21 | sanxiyn | I'm using IceWM and I don't complain. |
| 05:17.36 | enouf | metbsd: then use it |
| 05:17.44 | sanxiyn | metbsd: You have .config you need? |
| 05:17.47 | chytraeus | how do i do speaker test? |
| 05:17.55 | Azar | Im not gonna install a .dm I just hope if I learn a command line package will last me for the rest of my life |
| 05:17.58 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 05:17.58 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 05:17.58 | metbsd | sanxiyn, i don't |
| 05:18.14 | metbsd | sanxiyn, the former admin took .config away |
| 05:18.20 | sanxiyn | metbsd: You said you have a customized server kernel. |
| 05:18.33 | metbsd | he quit |
| 05:18.36 | sanxiyn | metbsd: You don't have one under /boot/config-* ? |
| 05:18.41 | metbsd | and i'm cleaning his shit |
| 05:18.43 | enouf | you're screwed basically .. (afaik) |
| 05:18.48 | karsten | Yoshi: I think you'll need to recreate the filesystem, for ext2/3 |
| 05:18.52 | karsten | Yoshi: What FS? |
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| 05:19.01 | enouf | Azar: that can be done |
| 05:19.06 | metbsd | config-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 05:19.11 | chytraeus | i type in alsamixer and i get the following: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 05:19.14 | metbsd | nothing else |
| 05:19.14 | karsten | chytraeus: Speak onto mike. "Testing, one, two three..." |
| 05:19.20 | Azar | ok now going to order the cds.. |
| 05:19.38 | Azar | in fact I have a bunch of blank discs somewhere, but they don't work |
| 05:19.42 | xlotlu | chytraeus: move your .asoundrc away |
| 05:19.51 | enouf | Azar: what's nice about k3b is it'll save the exact command (the CLI one) you used to burn with -- since it's only a frontend to cdrecord/mkisofs which is now wodim/genisoimage |
| 05:19.51 | sanxiyn | metbsd: Ok, that sucks. By any chance you have /proc/config.gz? |
| 05:19.56 | chytraeus | speaker-test okay |
| 05:19.56 | enouf | !wodim |
| 05:19.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, wodim is a DFSG compliant fork of cdrecord. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 05:20.22 | metbsd | sanxiyn, yes i do |
| 05:20.28 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 05:20.28 | dpkg | methinks alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 05:20.29 | sanxiyn | metbsd: Are you running 2.6.10rc3 now? |
| 05:20.38 | metbsd | sanxiyn, yes on 2.6.10rc3 now |
| 05:20.43 | chytraeus | what do you mean move your .asoundrc away? rename it to like .asoundrc.old |
| 05:20.45 | sanxiyn | metbsd: Hooray! You're saved. |
| 05:20.54 | Yoshi | karsten: ext2 or 3 iam not sure (it's for someone else i found they ran out of inode but a lot of disk space left). |
| 05:20.55 | metbsd | sanxiyn, tell me how to do :) |
| 05:21.00 | Azar | DVD+R (ridata) but can't figure out why they don't work |
| 05:21.07 | sanxiyn | metbsd: zcat /proc/config.gz > config |
| 05:21.36 | karsten | Yoshi: Best I can tell it's a create-time thing, but I'm rusty at that. |
| 05:21.54 | metbsd | ahahaha thanks |
| 05:21.56 | sanxiyn | metbsd: There you have your kernel config. Then ask dpkg about kernel-package to build your own. |
| 05:22.23 | metbsd | sanxiyn, thanks million |
| 05:22.27 | enouf | Azar: "doesn't work" doesn't help much |
| 05:22.29 | sanxiyn | metbsd: For the later use, be sure to enable CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC in kernel config. That lets you to have .config from running kernel. |
| 05:22.37 | chytraeus | i speak into the mic and hear sound but i can't use alsa apparently |
| 05:23.00 | metbsd | so the /proc/config.gz is different if i boot different kernels everytime? |
| 05:23.23 | sanxiyn | metbsd: Yes. |
| 05:23.39 | enouf | metbsd: /proc and /sys are both VFS |
| 05:24.08 | Yoshi | karsten: create-time with what command? I found someone suggest using maxfiles cmd |
| 05:24.22 | enouf | each boot they are blank -- try a chroot into one setup without binding .. you'll see what i mean |
| 05:24.24 | karsten | Yoshi: mkfs |
| 05:24.32 | Yoshi | ok |
| 05:24.39 | karsten | Yoshi: That's a destructive command, so: backup, reformat, restore. |
| 05:24.46 | enouf | !cdrkit |
| 05:24.55 | enouf | bah |
| 05:25.04 | chytraeus | how can i set my sound card? |
| 05:25.22 | Guerin | chytraeus: run alsamixer |
| 05:25.27 | Azar | oh there is a separate tool for dvd+rw? > http://www.physics.ucsb.edu/~pcs/apps/linux_dvdr_burning.html or cdrecord will "just work" with dvd+rw? |
| 05:25.30 | karsten | chytraeus: I prefer museum putty myself. |
| 05:25.41 | karsten | !sound |
| 05:25.41 | dpkg | i guess sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
| 05:25.59 | enouf | Azar: fwiw -- this was an issue ~ 2.6.8 ish times http://lwn.net/Articles/193516/ with cd burning |
| 05:26.09 | Azar | enouf: it seems that there are some 50 DVD+RW here... |
| 05:26.17 | enouf | Azar: i use grwoisofs with DVDs |
| 05:26.22 | grew | alsa-bork does nothing |
| 05:26.22 | enouf | er growisofs |
| 05:26.33 | Azar | enouf: is that a burner? |
| 05:26.34 | sanxiyn | karsten: According to http://paste.debian.net/30851, chytraeus has SB Live! EMU10k1. |
| 05:26.45 | karsten | sanxiyn: Cool! |
| 05:26.46 | enouf | Azar: is what a burner? |
| 05:26.48 | Yoshi | karsten: i guess they ran out of inode on /home device/partition becuase someone is making too many hard/soft link or what? |
| 05:26.49 | karsten | sanxiyn: Configure it. |
| 05:26.58 | Azar | growisofs |
| 05:27.15 | enouf | Azar: ()from earlier)--> once you install that dvd+rw-tools pkg man growisfs .. also note Debian now uses Wodim (for cdrecord) -- Genisoimage (for mkisofs), and |
| 05:27.42 | karsten | Yoshi: Something created a lot of files, or symlinks. 'df' or 'dump2fs' will give you information on inode usage ('df -i <filesystem>' |
| 05:27.47 | enouf | man growwisofs .. i'm typoingto death here |
| 05:27.50 | chytraeus | right. sb live was working |
| 05:27.52 | enouf | gah! |
| 05:28.03 | karsten | Yoshi: ... you can also try find or ls -lR to see who's got a lot of files. |
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| 05:28.05 | enouf | !coffee me |
| 05:28.05 | Yoshi | df -i show 0 free inode |
| 05:28.16 | chytraeus | when i run alsamixer i get the following: alsamixer |
| 05:28.16 | chytraeus | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 05:28.19 | karsten | Yoshi: That would be a problem. |
| 05:28.25 | Azar | ah thanks! I will remove mkisofs and cdrecord and install Wodim and Genisoimage |
| 05:28.26 | Yoshi | right |
| 05:28.34 | sanxiyn | chytraeus: Can you paste output of lsmod? |
| 05:28.54 | chytraeus | give me a minute, please. |
| 05:28.57 | paganjew | does anyone know of a cli tool that can convert my email messages into plain text, or other web page's text into plain text? |
| 05:29.27 | Guerin | lynx -dump |
| 05:29.28 | Yoshi | karsten: that what explained why they can't create any more files even there are alot of free space left. |
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| 05:29.33 | Guerin | paganjew: ↑ |
| 05:29.42 | karsten | Yoshi: 'find <path> -print0 | xargs -0 ls -ld > /tmp/filelist |
| 05:29.43 | enouf | Azar: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ |
| 05:29.49 | karsten | Yoshi: Yes. |
| 05:29.53 | Yoshi | ok. |
| 05:29.55 | karsten | Yoshi: You need inodes to create files. |
| 05:30.03 | Yoshi | sure. |
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| 05:30.13 | karsten | Yoshi: My current root partition: /dev/hda1 5128192 870725 4257467 17% / |
| 05:30.16 | chytraeus | sanxiyn: http://paste.debian.net/30852 |
| 05:30.26 | Azar | enouf: sarge does not have wodim and genisoimage |
| 05:30.27 | simonrvn | that's why there's FSes that have dynamic inodes |
| 05:30.33 | karsten | Yoshi: Note that to use up all inodes usually means someone did something they shouldn't have. |
| 05:30.40 | enouf | Azar: ahh .. oldstable still ..eh? |
| 05:31.00 | Azar | yeah trying to learn burning dvds on this box... |
| 05:31.02 | paganjew | Guerin: lynx -dump is fine but the purpose is primarily to import email as plain text so that I can latex it. Do you think this will work, for instance lynx -dump on a gmail account, how would I do this :) |
| 05:31.07 | sanxiyn | chytraeus: Hm, modules seem to be loaded. But you still get error from alsamixer? |
| 05:31.17 | chytraeus | yes |
| 05:31.23 | wols | paganjew: download the gmail acc via pop3 |
| 05:31.29 | enouf | Azar: then perhaps see that article fron lwn.net i posted too .. it can be a bitch to use but certainly doable -- i've burned CDs no prob on sarge in the past |
| 05:31.34 | Yoshi | karsten: yes, that's what i thinking. ii hope won't run into the same problem, since i use cp -al for snapshoot backup. |
| 05:31.49 | paganjew | wols: will have to check that out |
| 05:31.59 | Guerin | paganjew: well, take a look at the output of lynx -dump - it's not too bad, though you might have to munge it a bit more for latexification |
| 05:32.07 | Azar | enouf: what is blu-ray? |
| 05:32.09 | Guerin | i presume you're wanting to do it all automatically |
| 05:32.24 | Guerin | Azar: sony's retarded next-gen dvd format |
| 05:32.53 | Azar | Guerin: thanks.. the drm-ready ? |
| 05:33.09 | sanxiyn | Azar: Yes. |
| 05:33.38 | karsten | Yoshi: When you get that file, then run: awk '{userfiles[$3]++}; END { for (user in userfiles) printf( "%s %s\n", user, userfiles[user])}' /tmp/filelist |
| 05:33.47 | karsten | Yoshi: ... will print out how many files each user has. |
| 05:34.19 | Yoshi | i'll look that. |
| 05:34.50 | karsten | Yoshi: Then I'll give you a 2x4 to beat that user with ;-) |
| 05:35.04 | chytraeus | anyone with any ideas how to get sb live working again? |
| 05:35.06 | karsten | Yoshi: Might want to save that awk output if you've got a lot of users, sort it. |
| 05:35.10 | karsten | !sound |
| 05:35.10 | dpkg | sound is probably ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
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| 05:35.16 | sanxiyn | karsten: ... |
| 05:35.19 | Guerin | chytraeus: echo snd_emu10k1 >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 05:35.20 | karsten | chytraeus: /msg dpkg ac97 |
| 05:35.24 | karsten | sanxiyn: ?? |
| 05:35.29 | sanxiyn | Guerin: The module is already loaded. |
| 05:35.44 | karsten | sanxiyn: unload and reload it. |
| 05:35.47 | Guerin | sanxiyn: but making it load first should force OSS to stop being retarded and make things Just Work |
| 05:35.50 | Guerin | no |
| 05:35.58 | enouf | Azar: also review the http://lists.debian.org/cdwrite/ .. also see #cdrkit on irc.debian.org |
| 05:35.59 | Guerin | doing it during the boot process is the only way to be sure |
| 05:36.06 | Guerin | chytraeus: just try it and see |
| 05:36.09 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Interesting. |
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| 05:36.52 | Yoshi | karsten: it not my user or problem. it for someone else (customer) that i'll assisting them to reslove their problem when i back to work on wed. |
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| 05:37.16 | enouf | Azar: is it possible for you to upgrade to Etch? that might jst make a lot of things 'fall into place' nicely ;-) |
| 05:37.24 | chytraeus | Guerin: what does that command do? |
| 05:37.25 | Yoshi | karsten: i'm vacation right. |
| 05:37.46 | Guerin | chytraeus: it makes the module load at boot time and hopefully sets things right - try it |
| 05:38.05 | Guerin | oh wait ... |
| 05:38.06 | karsten | Yoshi: Has anyone ever explained the term "vacation" to you? |
| 05:38.10 | karsten | !beer Yoshi |
| 05:38.14 | karsten | !beer Yoshi |
| 05:38.23 | Yoshi | right. |
| 05:38.28 | chytraeus | will it choose it over the intel sound card already installed? I don't want to use the intel one. |
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| 05:38.35 | karsten | Yoshi: Damnit, start slacking! |
| 05:38.38 | Guerin | chytraeus: onboard? |
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| 05:38.47 | Yoshi | hehe |
| 05:38.48 | karsten | Yoshi: That awk script should help a lot though. |
| 05:38.57 | Yoshi | sure. |
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| 05:39.14 | xlotlu | ha! windows vista license says i can't use it under a virtual machine.. |
| 05:39.23 | sanxiyn | chytraeus: You don't have module for intel onboard sound card loaded. |
| 05:39.34 | chytraeus | okay |
| 05:39.37 | Guerin | chytraeus: disable the onboard card in bios. |
| 05:39.42 | karsten | xlotlu: Now if only it said the same thing about real machines... |
| 05:39.54 | Guerin | chytraeus: unless you're using it, in which case you have bigger problems than you think |
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| 05:40.13 | chytraeus | no. i don't use it and would like to be able to disable it. |
| 05:40.44 | Guerin | chytraeus: do so. We await your success with bated breath. |
| 05:41.19 | chytraeus | how do i diable it. hit f1 or something at restart |
| 05:41.29 | chytraeus | disable i mean |
| 05:41.35 | Guerin | something like that |
| 05:41.43 | chytraeus | ha |
| 05:41.45 | metbsd | Errors were encountered while processing: nfs-common clamav-base clamav-daemon nfs-kernel-server |
| 05:41.53 | Guerin | usually DEL, f1 or f2 |
| 05:42.00 | metbsd | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 05:42.01 | karsten | metbsd: Find out what specific errors there were. |
| 05:42.05 | chytraeus | okay. wish me luck |
| 05:42.10 | Guerin | !bless chytraeus |
| 05:42.10 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child chytraeus, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 05:42.21 | Azar | enouf: can I just ignore the dvd side and use it simply as a cd ? |
| 05:42.23 | metbsd | it's what i get after apt-get install a software |
| 05:42.28 | karsten | Oh. "wish", not "fish". |
| 05:42.41 | Guerin | metbsd: aptitude -f install |
| 05:42.45 | chytraeus | boy you guys are inspiring lots of confidence |
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| 05:42.55 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 05:42.55 | metbsd | Guerin, what does that do? |
| 05:43.05 | Guerin | metbsd: it -f's things |
| 05:43.08 | Azar | I wish to learn the simplest way to burn at command line |
| 05:43.13 | karsten | chytraeus: Youze wants confidence, we canna talk confidence ovah heya, wit' Lenny. |
| 05:43.22 | enouf | Azar: sure.. you want to burn CDs? shouldn't be much of an issue .. hold a sec |
| 05:43.24 | karsten | metbsd: RTFM |
| 05:43.29 | sanxiyn | Azar: Sorry to repeat this, but it's cdrecord image.iso. |
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| 05:43.44 | Azar | just to burn isos when I want to get say etch or lenny |
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| 05:44.06 | Azar | sanxiyn: thank you... so I hope cdrecord will be easier |
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| 05:44.43 | sanxiyn | Azar: If something goes wrong, cdrecord should say so (and give you some time to abort) |
| 05:45.12 | enouf | /usr/bin/cdrecord.mmap -v gracetime=2 dev=/dev/hdd speed=32 -dao -dummy driveropts=burnfree -eject -overburn -data /h |
| 05:45.12 | enouf | ome/stompthebozo/gparted/gparted-livecd-0.2.5-2.iso |
| 05:45.34 | karsten | How do I specify options in a .my.conf? =, quoting? Or multi-database access? |
| 05:45.49 | enouf | stupid xterm /n |
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| 05:46.04 | sanxiyn | enouf: Well, all those options could improve the speed/experience, but not absolutely necessary. |
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| 05:47.17 | eshaase | how do i get gnome to prompt with ssh-askpass after i login? |
| 05:47.31 | Guerin | eshaase: #gnome irc.gnome.org |
| 05:47.33 | simonrvn | karsten: Lenny been good lately? doc told 'im to be good caaze his ticker is sickly |
| 05:47.39 | karsten | eshaase: Invoke it as part of your session startup. |
| 05:47.55 | enouf | Azar: for ex; this is the output from a kb burn when i used sarge --> /usr/bin/cdrecord.mmap -v gracetime=2 dev=/dev/hdd speed=32 -dao -dummy driveropts=burnfree -eject -overburn -data /path/to/file.iso --note though the -dummy flag means just fake it |
| 05:48.14 | karsten | simonrvn: Lenny's doin' jus' fine now, but he's missin a few' teet' if youze knows what I mean. |
| 05:48.19 | enouf | Azar: you can drop the -overburn too unless needed |
| 05:48.30 | simonrvn | g'night k-dog |
| 05:48.34 | Azar | enouf: how it goes when I want say to grab Etch and burn the iso? from Debian website? |
| 05:48.48 | simonrvn | teet as in 'teeth' |
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| 05:49.01 | Guerin | yeah, right |
| 05:49.05 | Azar | download the iso then burn it on the cd? |
| 05:49.11 | enouf | Azar: yep |
| 05:49.17 | Azar | aha ok |
| 05:49.24 | grew | no |
| 05:49.29 | grew | download the iso and then pee on it |
| 05:50.01 | Azar | aha.. that ment to be a joke uh? |
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| 05:50.52 | grew | bo |
| 05:50.53 | grew | err no |
| 05:50.55 | grew | dead serious |
| 05:50.56 | enouf | Azar: change the speed= to something like 16 or 8 if you want to be safe .. always do md5sum /path/to/file.iso prior to burning |
| 05:51.00 | sanxiyn | Azar: It's a joke. |
| 05:51.10 | wmorales | hello! |
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| 05:51.40 | enouf | Azar: and if you use a GUI frontend like K3b choose "Burn Image" from the menu, you don't want to just burn it as a Data Cd/DVD |
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| 05:52.39 | Azar | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, missing codepage or other error |
| 05:52.43 | Azar | hm interesting |
| 05:52.44 | mizike | hey guys |
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| 05:53.17 | wwasher | azar : don't mount the media until the burn is done |
| 05:53.57 | Azar | I just wanted to check a disc.. to see what it is : dvd or cd |
| 05:54.20 | mizike | i am having a problem.. i disable ipv6 in aliases and blacklisted it as well, changed my resolv.conf to have my isp name servers and not defualt gtway. About 1/5 times trying to connect to irc or aptitude i get the 1.0.0.0 as the ip of the host i am trying to connect to.. any ideas? :P |
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| 05:56.09 | Azar | how can I find what disc is? I can't see it in dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/30853 |
| 05:56.47 | Guerin | Azar: eyeometer |
| 05:56.59 | mizike | any ideas on the 1.0.0.0 ? |
| 05:57.01 | Azar | :) we got one too huh? |
| 05:57.15 | Guerin | mizike: i've seen that, though I misremember what caused it |
| 05:57.30 | Guerin | mizike: it might be that you have a flakey dns server |
| 05:57.38 | mizike | !Guerin =\ |
| 05:57.43 | Azar | Guerin: the discs are all not marked how can I get to see? |
| 05:57.52 | Azar | ah.... gonna use windows to check it |
| 05:57.53 | Guerin | you can't |
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| 05:58.12 | Guerin | try burning a 900MB iso to it ;) |
| 05:58.14 | mizike | Azar: you trying to mount a cd? |
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| 05:58.34 | Azar | mizike: trying to figure out what kind of disc is |
| 05:58.39 | Azar | DVD or CD |
| 05:58.58 | Azar | only damn windows can tell me |
| 05:59.06 | enouf | Azar: here's the whole saved burn from when i was on sarge http://pastebin.ca/575753 |
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| 05:59.18 | enouf | Azar: use the -atip option |
| 05:59.33 | enouf | Azar: cdrecord --help |
| 05:59.45 | Azar | ok I am mounting it again |
| 06:01.03 | Azar | wtf syslog sensor alarm? |
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| 06:01.41 | Azar | should I be worry? |
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| 06:02.06 | enouf | i wouldn't for cd burning |
| 06:02.12 | Azar | Jun 18 06:33:19 egeon sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: Temp3: -87 C (min = 15 C, max = 45 C) [ALARM] |
| 06:02.17 | Azar | this is not related, right? |
| 06:02.20 | enouf | you might want to view your logs though ;-P |
| 06:02.32 | wmorales | Azar: Im sorry , whats the problem again ? |
| 06:02.34 | Azar | lyea I am trying to find out what it is |
| 06:02.52 | enouf | um.. looks like one of your chips is hot |
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| 06:03.25 | metbsd | is tldp.org down? |
| 06:03.44 | enouf | metbsd: workey here |
| 06:03.50 | Azar | enouf: hmmm and the real heat did not blessed us yet |
| 06:04.02 | Azar | 85F here.... hmmm |
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| 06:04.27 | enouf | better get some AC babay .. and/or cool your system down |
| 06:04.50 | enouf | but i have no idea what device that warning is from |
| 06:04.54 | Azar | eh I live in a very old building.... ac not supported, power goes off |
| 06:05.01 | enouf | ouch |
| 06:05.09 | Azar | enouf: the lmsensors |
| 06:05.12 | Azar | ok I found it |
| 06:05.14 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:05.15 | Azar | Jun 18 23:00:23 egeon kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 06:05.21 | enouf | Azar: get one of those Standalone jobbies (a little pricey though) |
| 06:05.30 | Azar | Jun 18 23:00:23 egeon kernel: hdc: rw=0, want=68, limit=4 |
| 06:05.33 | enouf | Pipe that heat back outside |
| 06:05.49 | Azar | time to put the fans around the box |
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| 06:06.14 | chytraeus | still can't get sb live to work |
| 06:06.14 | Azar | isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdc, iso_blknum=16, block=16 |
| 06:06.19 | cast | if its stable it's cool enough. |
| 06:06.22 | Azar | that's all errors I got in syslog |
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| 06:06.44 | Azar | in fact, you know, I never took the time to configure the lmsensors |
| 06:06.58 | Azar | so I would assume it is not fine-tuned |
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| 06:08.35 | Azar | ha! |
| 06:08.50 | Azar | blank disk in windows show used space full.... |
| 06:08.50 | Guerin | chytraeus: post your /etc/modules and the output of lsmod; to paster |
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| 06:09.50 | chytraeus | just so you know tried rebooting twice with the command you gave me. |
| 06:09.52 | Azar | :) maybe was upside down.. |
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| 06:10.03 | Guerin | chytraeus: please just post the output |
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| 06:15.25 | vladuz976 | i am having problems with imagemagick. i am trying to put a watermark on my pics, but nothing happens. can someone check out my scrip http://rafb.net/p/XtSgzM48.html |
| 06:15.28 | Azar | ewww all are DVD+R.... trashcan |
| 06:15.51 | Azar | anyways, how can I find what type of discs I have on debian command line? |
| 06:16.10 | Azar | it does not look it recognizes DVDs |
| 06:16.10 | enouf | upside down? .. rofl .. might want to make use of the cupholder feature ;-) |
| 06:16.13 | chytraeus | Guerin: i pasted them. |
| 06:16.28 | Azar | enouf: both sides of hthe disc are alike |
| 06:16.48 | enouf | Azar: if you read everything i posted you would have seen --> |
| 06:16.54 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.54 | Azar | I bought like 100 DVDs now I trash them |
| 06:17.09 | enouf | but you didn't .. |
| 06:17.31 | Azar | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh /me slaps his forehead |
| 06:17.42 | Azar | anyways not even windows recognizes them |
| 06:18.00 | Azar | I had to start that old mill windows to see what the heck they are |
| 06:18.14 | Azar | $75.00 trashed |
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| 06:18.17 | Azar | eh |
| 06:18.26 | enouf | just upgrade to Etch and buy and Air conditioner |
| 06:18.41 | Azar | haha |
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| 06:19.01 | Azar | I am curious how Etch installer looks |
| 06:19.08 | Azar | eh, well I will buy the CDs |
| 06:19.25 | enouf | Azar: it has GUI .. but upgrading is not installing from scratch, though maybe you want to |
| 06:19.53 | enouf | Azar: fast net conn? just getthe netinstall then |
| 06:20.04 | Azar | enouf: you mean I cant get a sort of old-school installer mode on Etch? |
| 06:20.12 | enouf | sure you can |
| 06:20.20 | enouf | Azar: it has many option |
| 06:20.22 | cast | vladuz976: `dirname $i`/z_`basename $i` why? if $i is, say a.jpg, you're going to go ./z_a.jpg |
| 06:20.23 | enouf | +s] |
| 06:20.32 | cast | vladuz976: isn't that really convoluted? |
| 06:20.41 | Azar | yes, that what I am trying, to get the Etch netinstall, burn it on a CD and install it on a new box I have here |
| 06:20.44 | enouf | !tell Azar -about d-i |
| 06:20.53 | metbsd | how do i check if i'm using lilo or grub? |
| 06:21.00 | enouf | !tell Azar -about ig |
| 06:21.01 | Azar | enouf: hold on... I need to know how to burn |
| 06:21.05 | metbsd | without rebooting |
| 06:21.08 | enouf | bah |
| 06:21.21 | enouf | metbsd: file -s /dev/hda |
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| 06:21.28 | chytraeus | Guerin: i re-pasted the output here: http://paste.debian.net/30855 |
| 06:21.35 | Azar | enouf: I have the manual, I just wanted to see if I can learn how to burn the iso |
| 06:21.43 | vladuz976 | cast: kinda i guess, i don't need the dirname if i am in the same dir |
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| 06:21.54 | enouf | gah .. that didn't workout |
| 06:22.11 | cast | vladuz976: and $i always is in the same dir since the for loops over *.jpg, but anyway, hmm |
| 06:22.47 | vladuz976 | cast: but u think that is why composite doesn't work? |
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| 06:22.58 | vladuz976 | i mean the output pics looks the same, no watermark |
| 06:23.03 | cast | well. |
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| 06:23.14 | cast | can you get composite working outside the loop on a single image? |
| 06:25.30 | vladuz976 | cast check this out http://rafb.net/p/kBExMd66.html |
| 06:25.30 | wols | Azar: use a RW |
| 06:25.30 | enouf | metbsd: if i need to, i usually use tools like xxd and/or strings to examine the beginning of the disk .. like xxd /dev/sda | less |
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| 06:25.37 | vladuz976 | cast with the dirname taken out i get three copies of each images. http://rafb.net/p/obAJD921.html |
| 06:25.38 | enouf | Azar: get a few RWs since you seem to be having issuse with burning |
| 06:25.49 | cast | vladuz976: well thats another part of the code, done after the watermarking. |
| 06:25.52 | enouf | Azar: in addition to your CD-R |
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| 06:27.47 | cast | vladuz976: right now, all that you want in your script is the composite loop right, since we're debugging it. if you give me a few minutes i might come up with something |
| 06:27.58 | vladuz976 | cast: so even for just one pic straight from command line composite doesn't put the watermark on it |
| 06:28.28 | cast | vladuz976: see now you've isolated the problem :), or one of them anyway. not using composite correctly |
| 06:29.07 | vladuz976 | cast: you know i have 5 directories in my public_home/ each has a set of pictures and a subdir with thumbnails. |
| 06:29.16 | Azar | yeah I only have DVD-R here, I need to get some CD-RW hopefully I will start learning this.. |
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| 06:29.39 | Guerin | chytraeus: did you disable the onboard card? |
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| 06:30.04 | chytraeus | couldn't figure out how to get into BIOS. |
| 06:30.24 | Guerin | chytraeus: how many cards appear in cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 06:30.26 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:31.17 | chytraeus | i get the following: 0 [I82801BAICH2 ]: ICH - Intel 82801BA-ICH2 |
| 06:31.18 | chytraeus | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.20 | vladuz976 | cast: the man page says "composite options changefile basefile output" |
| 06:31.38 | Guerin | chytraeus: right. Your intel card is being loaded as card 0 |
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| 06:31.58 | Guerin | chytraeus: so try to get into the bios again |
| 06:32.01 | chytraeus | that means it's being loaded as the main card doesn't it? |
| 06:32.39 | Guerin | or you could /msg dpkg blacklist; and add `snd_intel8x0' to the proper blacklist files |
| 06:32.45 | Guerin | chytraeus: yes, it does |
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| 06:34.36 | chytraeus | i'll try the blacklisting route |
| 06:34.55 | sanxiyn | chytraeus: Add "blacklist snd_intel8x0" to /etc/modprobe.conf. |
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| 06:35.05 | cast | vladuz976: composite -dissolve 15 -gravity South watermark.jpg image.jpg z-image.jpg |
| 06:35.20 | chytraeus | okay will try that now. |
| 06:36.59 | vladuz976 | cast: that works. thanks, what is different? |
| 06:37.33 | cast | vladuz976: no idea! never used composite before. i'm sure the documentation explains it somewhere, if either of us can be bothered to read it |
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| 06:37.52 | xlotlu | what's the application the debian installer runs? |
| 06:38.04 | vladuz976 | cast: i used the script the way it was on the server (fedora 2) worked fine. so i was surprised |
| 06:38.20 | vladuz976 | cast: what about the rename error i got. can you help? |
| 06:38.37 | Guerin | xlotlu: debian-installer |
| 06:38.39 | cast | vladuz976: hmm, well tell me what you're trying to do |
| 06:38.42 | chytraeus | sanxiyn: I don't have a modprobe.conf file |
| 06:38.43 | Guerin | xlotlu: bizarre, but true |
| 06:38.53 | sanxiyn | chytraeus: Make one then. |
| 06:38.54 | Guerin | !blacklist |
| 06:38.54 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 06:39.02 | xlotlu | Guerin: yeah, but the debian-installer package contains only docs.. |
| 06:39.07 | Guerin | follow those instructions |
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| 06:39.17 | Guerin | xlotlu: debian-installer is not something you apt-get |
| 06:39.45 | xlotlu | Guerin: well, i wish i could have to run it in a chroot.. |
| 06:39.46 | vladuz976 | cast: basically what I need is my thumbnails to the exact same filename as the images with prefix _thb_ so i need to rename all of them to what the output of composite is plus prefix _thb_ |
| 06:39.59 | cast | vladuz976: alright. let me think for a sec |
| 06:40.08 | Guerin | xlotlu: run debootstrap |
| 06:40.21 | xlotlu | Guerin: i will ... |
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| 06:40.34 | Guerin | vladuz976: use `rename' |
| 06:40.35 | cast | vladuz976: rename 's/^/_tht_/' * |
| 06:40.59 | cast | vladuz976: will rename everything in the current dir, so no need for a for loop |
| 06:41.26 | cast | vladuz976: rename 's/^/_tht_/' *.jpg is probably a bit better :> |
| 06:41.48 | vladuz976 | cast thanks, let me try that |
| 06:42.07 | Azar | wtf... newer CD disks are no longer working with old drives..wtf |
| 06:42.10 | tonsofpcs | SARGE: I'm trying to install mplayer, apt-get update shows media missing, i tried commenting it out and updating, but its not in any other sources, apparently. Is there a new media source? |
| 06:42.34 | cast | tonsofpcs: hmm, i use debian-multimedia |
| 06:42.39 | tonsofpcs | with sarge? |
| 06:42.43 | bonii | I am using Debian Etch, I installed battmon to monitor battery charge which takes info from the kernle but the applet icon shows me unknown battery time what do I so?? |
| 06:42.59 | tonsofpcs | cast: can you send me the apt-sources line? |
| 06:43.37 | cast | !tell tonsofpcs about debian-multimedia.etch |
| 06:43.45 | tonsofpcs | cast: I have sarge |
| 06:43.58 | bonii | The icon shows me unknown battery time how do I montitor my battery? |
| 06:44.02 | cast | well, dunno how d-m is supporting sarge |
| 06:44.25 | cast | just switch etch with sarge and see where you get ;) |
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| 06:44.37 | tonsofpcs | it fails |
| 06:44.39 | tonsofpcs | but i just went to the http |
| 06:44.41 | tonsofpcs | it says deb http://mirror.home-dn.net/debian-multimedia sarge main |
| 06:44.43 | tonsofpcs | so i'll try |
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| 06:45.11 | vladuz976 | cast: works fine |
| 06:45.15 | vladuz976 | cast: thanks a lot |
| 06:45.30 | cast | vladuz976: cool :) |
| 06:46.04 | vladuz976 | cast: http://rafb.net/p/j9IkSW16.html |
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| 06:46.21 | vladuz976 | cast: that's how i have it, i guess the done is not needed anymore |
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| 06:47.18 | phizwhiz | hello is there a utility in debian to covert epoch date to other formats? |
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| 06:48.44 | cast | phizwhiz: does date do that? |
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| 06:49.00 | phizwhiz | the bsd date does =( |
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| 06:49.30 | cast | are you really using debian :\ |
| 06:49.41 | phizwhiz | yes i am |
| 06:50.01 | cast | ohhh, my bad. i read something different :> |
| 06:50.14 | phizwhiz | i have a freebsd system tho |
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| 06:50.32 | phizwhiz | and date does the conversion there |
| 06:51.12 | phizwhiz | you can imagine my shock and surprise when i realized linux date seemed handicapped in comparison |
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| 06:51.32 | cast | s/linux/GNU |
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| 06:51.54 | cast | yeah, me too...when you said "the bsd date does" my brain added a nt to the end D: |
| 06:53.01 | vladuz976 | cast: i am really having trouble with rename. debians version is the only one giving me this problem. what does that error mean? |
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| 06:54.05 | phizwhiz | i guess i'll have to install some perl or python lib to get the job done |
| 06:54.22 | cast | phizwhiz: was thinking python standard library should handle that |
| 06:54.22 | phizwhiz | seems pretty stupid though |
| 06:54.48 | phizwhiz | well fuck around |
| 06:55.02 | phizwhiz | is there really no other way |
| 06:55.50 | cast | phizwhiz: this is one of those times when you're sure there's a tool you just don't know what its called |
| 06:55.57 | cast | phizwhiz: #bash might have an idea, |
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| 06:58.26 | cast | phizwhiz: http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ :) |
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| 06:59.27 | cast | phizwhiz: i saw in the manpage -d, but couldn't get it to work...seems you just need a @ at the beginning |
| 06:59.28 | sanxiyn | cast: Heh. |
| 06:59.41 | cope[dev] | cya later guys! |
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| 07:00.01 | phizwhiz | sweet, the undocumented feature |
| 07:01.06 | cast | phizwhiz: HAH. its very well documentated, we just never looked at the info page |
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| 07:01.26 | Marenz | whats the programs name again to open a cdrom? |
| 07:01.30 | sanxiyn | cast: True. |
| 07:01.31 | enouf | tonsofpcs: if all else fails, visit #mplayer and use the svn there to build your own |
| 07:01.33 | chytraeus | okay. made the blacklist. ran alsaconf. also update-initramfs -u. now alsamixer is working. |
| 07:01.43 | cast | Marenz: eject |
| 07:01.46 | Marenz | ah ty |
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| 07:02.17 | phizwhiz | jesus h. christ |
| 07:02.18 | enouf | eject -t /dev/blah and -d iirc . man page |
| 07:02.22 | Marenz | my cdrom switch isbroken :D |
| 07:02.41 | phizwhiz | why not just put it all on the man page |
| 07:02.48 | enouf | there's even an -eject option in wodim/cdrecord iirc |
| 07:02.53 | wwasher | anything documented in info, but not in man is poorly documented (ranting, raving and slobbering) |
| 07:03.07 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 07:03.22 | Guerin | just because anoything other than a flat textfile is too much work for your little brain |
| 07:03.27 | phizwhiz | thanks cast |
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| 07:03.53 | ma3x | should I install oss? why is it doing that? alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1248:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy |
| 07:03.57 | cast | phizwhiz: np. i learnt my thing for the day. read the manpage, which might say read the info docs |
| 07:04.32 | phizwhiz | i'll have to concur with wwasher here though |
| 07:04.38 | Guerin | ma3x: try modeprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 07:04.43 | Guerin | s/mode/mod/ |
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| 07:05.28 | wwasher | cast : i have, `pinfo` is rather nice (but, then, i am a vi user) but often i find the info file is the same as the man page, both telling me to read the info page |
| 07:05.32 | ma3x | Guerin, it still shows bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 07:06.08 | enouf | try also snd_mixer_oss |
| 07:06.27 | phizwhiz | haha |
| 07:06.30 | ma3x | still busy |
| 07:06.54 | enouf | ma3x: ps aux | egrep 'arts|esd' |
| 07:07.05 | wwasher | phizwhiz : not all the time,tho. at times it is maddeningly only a touch more information. |
| 07:07.07 | Quintin | How do I list all installed packages? I want just the package name, then a space, then the next package name |
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| 07:07.14 | ma3x | enouf, shows nothing |
| 07:07.21 | cast | Quintin: dpkg -l and some processing? |
| 07:07.24 | hatter | anyone know if you can choose which apps use which core on a dual core processor ? |
| 07:07.32 | enouf | info coreutils dd page has more info than the manpage |
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| 07:07.54 | phizwhiz | ya wwasher the date info page is 50 lines of text that's not in the man page, but nothing else |
| 07:07.54 | enouf | ma3x: then try lsof | grep dsp |
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| 07:08.00 | enouf | ma3x: as root |
| 07:08.03 | wwasher | ma3x : lsof ... tho there is an option |
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| 07:08.22 | ma3x | enouf, shows nothing |
| 07:08.22 | wwasher | enouf - better and faster. |
| 07:08.26 | nozy | forgot how to use the at command |
| 07:08.27 | cast | Quintin: well, dpkg --get-selections|awk '{print $1}'|tr '\n' ' ' works but someone might laugh at me |
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| 07:08.43 | chytraeus | Guerin: do i have to reboot to get alsa to play sound? |
| 07:08.51 | enouf | hatter: man taskset |
| 07:08.53 | Noah0504 | Well, I just successfully set up a web server on top of Debian. It succeeded where the server edition of Ubuntu wouldn't. |
| 07:08.58 | hatter | enouf, thx |
| 07:09.14 | tonsofpcs | i got ti, thanks cast |
| 07:09.22 | hatter | enouf, no entry for taskset |
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| 07:09.47 | enouf | hatter: it's in schedutils |
| 07:10.07 | hatter | enouf, hmm, no entry for that either |
| 07:10.14 | enouf | hatter: there's likely more to it than just that, but it's a start |
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| 07:10.22 | enouf | hatter: apt-get install schedutils |
| 07:10.26 | Quintin | cast: that is absolutely perfect. why would someone laugh at you? |
| 07:10.29 | Quintin | cast: You're my hero! |
| 07:10.33 | hatter | enouf, duh me, i just installed it |
| 07:10.38 | hatter | enouf, thx |
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| 07:10.39 | sanxiyn | Quintin: Because #debian is a strange place... |
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| 07:11.13 | Quintin | So, do you think my desktop would be significantly faster if I installed debian instead of ubuntu on it? I notice default debian has like 70 procs, ubuntu has over 100 :p |
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| 07:11.24 | Quintin | I think I'm going to reformat root as XFS, that should help too |
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| 07:11.38 | cast | grub can't bootstrap kernels on XFS AFAIK |
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| 07:11.49 | ma3x | once i start to play something with xmms its showing me /dev/dsp busy when i try to do something else |
| 07:11.59 | Quintin | yea, /boot has to be someplace else. I have other disks I can use or I can make a 50mb /boot |
| 07:12.02 | hatter | enouf, thats what i am looking for, thx |
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| 07:12.11 | enouf | hatter: no prob ;- |
| 07:12.15 | cast | Quintin: might as well start using lvm too ;) |
| 07:12.25 | Quintin | cast: psha. why? |
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| 07:13.07 | cast | well i just discovered it and think its cool thus everyone else must use it too |
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| 07:13.22 | Quintin | cast: ok. why is it cool? why do you use it? |
| 07:13.48 | sanxiyn | cast: I don't use LVM! |
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| 07:14.08 | cast | Quintin: well, snapshots are useful for backups. and being able to do online resizing when you decide your partition layout wasn't all that hot is nice |
| 07:14.11 | ma3x | enouf, do you know how to make it available - /dev/dsp ? |
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| 07:14.14 | enouf | ma3x: pastebin output of dpkg -l alsa* and your lspci | grep -i multi |
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| 07:14.20 | ma3x | enouf, I mean so that more processes can use /dev/dsp |
| 07:14.28 | enouf | ma3x: alsa uses something else iinm |
| 07:14.31 | vladuz976 | debian's version of rename takes only perl expressions as arguments. is there another version of rename? |
| 07:14.41 | Quintin | vladuz976: apt-cache search rename |
| 07:14.52 | sanxiyn | vladuz976: I guess so. |
| 07:14.57 | Quintin | cast: doesn't that incur a performance overhead? |
| 07:15.00 | vladuz976 | Quintin: that gives so many i don't know which |
| 07:15.14 | Quintin | vladuz976: pipe it through grep and add an argument. pipe it through a pager.. |
| 07:15.24 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.27 | vladuz976 | sanxiyn: on fedora they had one that works "rename htm html *.html" |
| 07:15.39 | sanxiyn | vladuz976: Interesting. |
| 07:16.09 | ma3x | enouf, http://paste.debian.net/30857 |
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| 07:16.18 | vladuz976 | Quintin: what do you mean I don't get it |
| 07:16.21 | cast | Quintin: it probably does, but to what extent is the question. i do not know, i have seen no measurements |
| 07:16.41 | enouf | ma3x: alsa is supposed to auto control what uses dsp .. in a nice manner -- IOW, maybe look at dmix, or mpd |
| 07:17.24 | enouf | ma3x: looks like you can use an apt-get install alsa-oss |
| 07:17.33 | ma3x | enouf, the thing is when i play something with xmms and no matter what output plugin i use - alsa or oss it then gets busy and other applications cant use it |
| 07:17.47 | ma3x | enouf, i installed alsa-oss too. same thing |
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| 07:20.32 | enouf | ma3x: here's mine for comparioson http://pastebin.ca/575846 |
| 07:20.32 | kakarot[w] | what the hell is #debian-overflow ? |
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| 07:20.33 | enouf | ma3x: then run alsaonf and alsactrl store .. see the man pages |
| 07:20.33 | ma3x | when I do lsof | grep /dev/dsp it shows xmms 18359 ma3x 10u CHR 14,3 26363 /dev/dsp |
| 07:20.54 | peterS | kakarot[w]: that's where you get dumped if you try to join #debian when there is a join flood going on. this feature aims to prevent bot armies from join-flooding the channel. |
| 07:21.12 | enouf | ma3x: once you install alsa-oss .. modprobe snd_mixer_oss and perhaps snd_pcm_oss |
| 07:21.25 | enouf | I think one depends on the othwer, but i forget |
| 07:21.26 | kakarot[w] | peterS ok, thanks |
| 07:21.49 | peterS | enouf: yeah, snd_pcm_oss depends on the other, so that's all you need |
| 07:21.51 | enouf | ma3x: if that modprobing does the trick, add those to /etc/modules |
| 07:22.00 | enouf | peterS: thanks |
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| 07:24.44 | ma3x | enouf, it wont do it, still busy |
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| 07:25.15 | enouf | ma3x: is your card full-duplex capable? |
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| 07:25.24 | Quintin | so.. no one has said if they think debian will be faster than ubuntu for me :p |
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| 07:25.29 | ma3x | enouf, I dont know |
| 07:25.36 | endra | greetings |
| 07:25.36 | enouf | ma3x: using kde? |
| 07:25.37 | Quintin | I guess I'll just try both like. have my homedir backed up |
| 07:25.39 | vladuz976 | how can i stirp of prefixes with rename? |
| 07:25.43 | ma3x | enouf, yes but sound system in kde is disabled |
| 07:25.44 | vladuz976 | i read the man page but it doesn't tell |
| 07:25.52 | enouf | ma3x: ahh.. hrm.. |
| 07:25.55 | Quintin | vladuz976: talk with #bash, #awk, #sed, they're good with that shit |
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| 07:26.28 | enouf | ma3x: try enabling it ? just so you can tick that full-duplex setting ..lol |
| 07:26.55 | enouf | ma3x: choose ALSA also ..Advanced Linux ..blah |
| 07:27.16 | roxy_ | vladuz976: {%} |
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| 07:27.40 | roxy_ | or {%} search man bash for % and ## |
| 07:28.19 | bullgard4 | lspci -vv prints: "0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRIV (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)." Where is explained what domain=0000 means? |
| 07:28.43 | enouf | why is Edinburgh UTC +1 ?? isn't that a tad odd? |
| 07:29.00 | endra | which one of you bad boys own a toshiba laptop? |
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| 07:29.09 | enouf | !laptop |
| 07:29.09 | dpkg | methinks laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 07:29.17 | ma3x | enouf, i can do the kde test sound while xmms play, but i cant echo 123 > /dev/dsp (busy) |
| 07:29.32 | enouf | ma3x: i don't know then .. sorry |
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| 07:29.37 | endra | actally, i dont have any issues. just curious if your touchpad glows like it does in the pictures, cause mine doesnt |
| 07:29.55 | cydork | vladuz976: or you can just use rename(1). like rename 's/^prefix//' files |
| 07:30.05 | enouf | endra: smear some uranium 238 on it maybe? |
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| 07:30.44 | vladuz976 | cydork: yeah i'll try that |
| 07:31.18 | endra | i can just use black light if i wanted to make it glow, but I was wondering if there is a powered LED behind it :-) |
| 07:32.00 | enouf | ma3x: isn't xmms somewhat out of date ? something like xmms2 now? |
| 07:32.02 | enouf | ii xmms-xmmplayer 0.3.3-1 XMMS plugin that uses MPlayer to play video files |
| 07:32.11 | Greyscale | !powernow |
| 07:32.13 | ma3x | enouf, I dont know |
| 07:32.13 | Greyscale | !powernowd |
| 07:32.14 | enouf | wow .. i didn't know xmmms does video \o/ |
| 07:32.18 | Greyscale | hmm |
| 07:32.33 | Greyscale | anyone know how to get CPU stepping on a AMD cpu? |
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| 07:32.54 | ma3x | !powersaved |
| 07:32.57 | Guerin | Greyscale: cpufreq-utils? |
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| 07:33.17 | enouf | ma3x: look though the output of dpkg -l xmms* .. i get tons of pkgs listed (61) |
| 07:33.26 | Guerin | enouf: man grep |
| 07:33.34 | ma3x | enouf, just one |
| 07:33.43 | ma3x | enouf, how did you count them anyway |
| 07:33.55 | enouf | ma3x: dpkg -l xmms* | wc -l |
| 07:34.27 | ma3x | 9 |
| 07:34.41 | enouf | ma3x: cat /etc/issue.net says? |
| 07:34.57 | enouf | ma3x: apt-get update lately? |
| 07:34.57 | ma3x | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 |
| 07:35.04 | ma3x | enouf, uptodate yes |
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| 07:35.58 | enouf | ma3x: well .. how's about your sources.list? got contrib and non-free? .. maybe those extra ones are from d-m .. i don't know offhand |
| 07:36.12 | enouf | ma3x: you couldn't count 9 lines easily ;-) |
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| 07:36.43 | ma3x | enouf, but dpkg -l | grep shows just two |
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| 07:36.50 | ma3x | how come wc -l counts them9 |
| 07:36.57 | enouf | ma3x: 2 installed? |
| 07:37.08 | ma3x | enouf, yes |
| 07:37.11 | enouf | grep what? |
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| 07:37.47 | ma3x | enouf, xmms and xmms-mac |
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| 07:39.37 | enouf | dpkg -l | grep xmms | wc -l |
| 07:39.38 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep xmms | wc -l |
| 07:39.38 | enouf | 2 |
| 07:40.08 | ma3x | enouf, 11 |
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| 07:40.47 | enouf | ma3x: that's the way it works .. apt-cache show xmms<tab><tab> is tons of fun too ;-) |
| 07:41.18 | enouf | 107 ftw babay! |
| 07:41.21 | ma3x | if i have installed two packages why does it show 11 |
| 07:41.32 | enouf | ma3x: i don't know, nor do i care .. ;-) |
| 07:41.54 | enouf | ma3x: my repo list isn't yours either though |
| 07:42.10 | ma3x | enouf, i dont have deb multimedia in my sources |
| 07:42.21 | enouf | ma3x: might want to look into that |
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| 07:43.16 | ma3x | enouf, just the lines for stable main contrib non-fre |
| 07:43.35 | ma3x | xmms somehow directly gets to /dev/dsp |
| 07:43.36 | enouf | though i only see xmms-mac here in the sources.list |
| 07:43.42 | enouf | er there* |
| 07:43.45 | ma3x | enouf, I self compiled it |
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| 07:44.42 | enouf | ma3x: smart ... |
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| 07:46.23 | ma3x | enouf, person told me " that's how /dev/dsp works " |
| 07:46.40 | ma3x | enouf, that after alsa gets to it, you can only use it with apps that use alsa |
| 07:46.49 | ma3x | but echo 213 > /dev/dsp will always show busy |
| 07:46.52 | enouf | ma3x: notice the xmms2 pkgs, but i'm not on Etch/Stable http://pastebin.ca/575873 |
| 07:46.54 | ma3x | unless i install dmix or something |
| 07:47.02 | enouf | then install it |
| 07:47.42 | Robert | Hi. Can anyone recommend some scripts/tools for netfilter in apt? I used to write iptables scripts, but lately I've been using BSD and got spoiled by pf. |
| 07:47.49 | enouf | ma3x: a person? not a homosapien? |
| 07:47.56 | tonsofpcs | ? |
| 07:47.58 | ma3x | hehe |
| 07:48.09 | ma3x | enouf, [peter] from #xmms |
| 07:48.19 | enouf | ahh .. ask him about it? |
| 07:48.27 | enouf | or the channel? |
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| 07:48.43 | Guerin | ma3x: /msg dpkg dmix |
| 07:48.43 | ma3x | i asked on the channel and he said ' that's the way /dev/dsp works ' |
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| 07:48.49 | Guerin | he's partly correct |
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| 07:49.09 | enouf | ma3x: i mentioned dmix and mpd much earlier here |
| 07:49.21 | ma3x | yes |
| 07:49.22 | Guerin | Robert: use http://feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.txt as a base |
| 07:49.28 | ma3x | I thought there would be some package for dmix :) |
| 07:49.48 | streuner | ma3x: get emu10k1, done. |
| 07:49.56 | Guerin | snd- |
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| 07:50.32 | ma3x | modprobe snd-emu10k1? |
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| 07:50.59 | Robert | Guerin: Thanks... I suppose I'll merge that with my old scripts. |
| 07:51.03 | streuner | nope, "buy Soundblaster live second hand" ;-) |
| 07:51.04 | Guerin | ma3x: put the module in /etc/modules, reboot, and it'll work |
| 07:51.16 | ma3x | must i reboot? |
| 07:51.17 | Guerin | oh, you don't have one already |
| 07:51.30 | ma3x | have one what |
| 07:51.32 | redduck666 | ma3x: no. modprobe <module name> |
| 07:51.37 | Guerin | ma3x: ignore me if you don't have a sblive |
| 07:51.39 | streuner | ma3x: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i audio' say? |
| 07:51.43 | ma3x | Guerin, no sb live |
| 07:51.52 | Guerin | ma3x: then use dmix |
| 07:52.01 | ma3x | 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 07:52.18 | streuner | oh, some onboard crap |
| 07:52.28 | streuner | ma3x: that's NOT a laptop? |
| 07:52.31 | ma3x | it is |
| 07:52.35 | enouf | ma3x: well there's jack-tools .. i suppose JACK allows the connection of multiple applications to an audio device, |
| 07:52.36 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.42 | Guerin | no |
| 07:52.42 | redduck666 | ma3x: alsaconf works in 99% of cases. |
| 07:52.43 | Guerin | FFS |
| 07:52.43 | streuner | forget what i said before then |
| 07:52.46 | Guerin | you ifiots |
| 07:52.53 | Guerin | just fucking use dmix |
| 07:52.58 | Guerin | it works |
| 07:53.19 | ma3x | hehe ok i'll try to setup dmix then |
| 07:53.23 | enouf | alrighty then :-P .. dmix it is .. nothing about it in my cache |
| 07:53.30 | Guerin | !dmix |
| 07:53.30 | dpkg | somebody said dmix was an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 07:53.39 | streuner | ma3x: Did you try /msg dpkg laptops too? |
| 07:53.40 | Guerin | it's not a fucking package, it's part of alsa already |
| 07:53.53 | enouf | Are we working on incorporating it? packaging it? |
| 07:53.59 | enouf | gah |
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| 07:54.19 | ma3x | Guerin, so I just need to add .asoundrc ? |
| 07:54.29 | Guerin | ma3x: that's what it says, no? |
| 07:54.41 | ma3x | yup |
| 07:55.11 | enouf | heh /usr/share/alsa/pcm/dmix.conf |
| 07:55.27 | Guerin | cast: msg bad. old enough to like hip-hop and country & western about equally; and as little as possible ;) |
| 07:55.32 | DGnome | Hi! Can in tell network-manager to assign a static adress to my NIC? |
| 07:55.43 | Guerin | DGnome: man 5 interfaces |
| 07:55.45 | cast | Guerin: OT also bad! *nods* |
| 07:55.49 | metbsd | The UTS Release version in include/linux/utsrelease.h |
| 07:56.02 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.03 | streuner | !info network-manager |
| 07:56.21 | Guerin | cast: yeah, true. I'm a grad student in political science at the moment |
| 07:56.27 | DGnome | Guerin: would be nice if I could do everything via network-manager |
| 07:56.31 | ma3x | Guerin, still says busy |
| 07:56.38 | Guerin | DGnome: would be nice if I had a pony |
| 07:56.47 | DGnome | Guerin: ok :) |
| 07:56.48 | Guerin | ma3x: then your asoundrc is probably not right |
| 07:56.55 | dpkg | network-manager: (network management framework daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.4-8+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 234 kB, Installed size: 588 kB |
| 07:57.03 | ma3x | Guerin, I just copied it from http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 07:57.06 | metbsd | The UTS Release version in include/linux/utsrelease.h "" does not match current version: "2.6.21.5" Please correct this. |
| 07:57.14 | metbsd | how can i fix this error from make-dpkg |
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| 07:57.22 | Guerin | ma3x: it Just Works for me. If you have trouble, ask #alsa |
| 07:57.35 | metbsd | The UTS Release version in include/linux/utsrelease.h "" does not match current version: "2.6.21.5" Please correct this. it's an error from make-kpkg |
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| 07:57.41 | metbsd | how do i fix this |
| 07:58.12 | Guerin | metbsd: you did something crazy. If you're using a clean source tree with the kp mantra, that should not happen. |
| 07:58.20 | Guerin | !tell metbsd about kp mantra |
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| 07:58.45 | DGnome | Guerin: doing ifconfig ifdown eth0 && /etc/networking/restart may not allways ork if dhcp was enabled previously :/ |
| 07:58.49 | metbsd | i dl kernel source from kernel.org, copy over the .config, and run the command make-kpkg |
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| 07:59.16 | Guerin | metbsd: right. Which is never going to work. |
| 07:59.26 | Guerin | metbsd: use the mantra. |
| 07:59.50 | Guerin | DGnome: mixing ifconfig and ifup/down is not usually good policy |
| 07:59.57 | metbsd | why is it not going to work? |
| 08:00.11 | metbsd | what if i compile kernel myself instead of using this make-kpkg shit |
| 08:00.24 | Guerin | metbsd: if you really want to know, read the kernel-package documentation |
| 08:00.45 | DGnome | Guerin: so I should just ifdown && ifup ? |
| 08:00.45 | Guerin | metbsd: then you get no help from us. Just copy and paste the fucking mantra,m it'll Just Work. |
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| 08:00.55 | enouf | you can't use a 2.6.10 config on .21 wiuthout knowing what you're doing .. |
| 08:00.59 | Guerin | DGnome: if you can, yes. |
| 08:01.09 | ma3x | hell , they're all asleep in alsa channel |
| 08:01.11 | metbsd | will it cause server down, the mantra script |
| 08:01.13 | Guerin | enouf: sure you can - you'll just be thrown into oldconfig |
| 08:01.19 | enouf | make oldconfig at the very least .. |
| 08:01.41 | DGnome | Guerin: ok, or was it ifconfig up/down eth0? Does that work? |
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| 08:01.50 | Guerin | metbsd: impossible to know. Probably not. No different from just building it yourself. |
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| 08:02.03 | Guerin | DGnome: it's your box, why don't you tell me? |
| 08:02.29 | Guerin | metbsd: all make-kpkg does is build it sanely and make a usable debian package or five. |
| 08:02.44 | DGnome | Guerin: well, ok, ifconfig eth0 down works, but usually clutters when changing from dhcp to static |
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| 08:03.29 | Guerin | DGnome: laptop-mode may be what you want |
| 08:03.45 | Guerin | i think it has some profiling stuff for different network configurations |
| 08:03.45 | DGnome | Guerin: sounds primising |
| 08:03.54 | DGnome | promising.. |
| 08:03.56 | Guerin | i haven't used it, thought |
| 08:04.06 | DGnome | k |
| 08:04.08 | Guerin | i'm too lazy, just configure things manualy |
| 08:04.12 | DGnome | :) |
| 08:04.23 | enouf | metbsd: perhaps might help http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 08:05.05 | DGnome | Guerin: package laptop-mode-tools? |
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| 08:05.22 | metbsd | if i have old .config in kernel src, and want to use menuconfig, what do i type? |
| 08:05.28 | metbsd | make menuconfig or make oldmenu |
| 08:05.47 | Guerin | make menuconfig |
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| 08:06.27 | jjp78 | hi |
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| 08:11.18 | Quintin | hi2u |
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| 08:12.19 | wols | metbsd: make oldconfig |
| 08:12.30 | wols | and after that you change with make menuconfig what you want differently |
| 08:12.42 | Guerin | wols: unnecessary |
| 08:12.48 | Quintin | you know |
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| 08:13.05 | Quintin | I'm trying to decide between debian and ubuntu. and now I'm thinking I should probably just use macos instead :p |
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| 08:13.31 | metbsd | why do i have so many dialogue after make oldconfig |
| 08:13.33 | CAiRO | hi |
| 08:13.44 | CAiRO | how do i get cups to automatically start my printer when i've turned it on? |
| 08:13.50 | wols | metbsd: cause that's what changed since the 2.6.10rc3 kernel |
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| 08:13.55 | CAiRO | i always need to use the web-interface to start the printer manually |
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| 08:14.29 | Guerin | Quintin: pretty unoriginal troll |
| 08:14.33 | cast | ~# mount -t cramfs /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-vserver-amd64 /mnt/tmp/ -o loop >>> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,. what am i missing here? |
| 08:15.04 | Quintin | Guerin: I'm not trolling, I'm being honest, you fucking dipshit. |
| 08:15.04 | cast | oh, my bad. its not cramfs :) |
| 08:15.04 | Guerin | Quintin: that's even sadder, then. |
| 08:15.10 | Quintin | Guerin: Have you used macos? It's pretty neat. |
| 08:15.22 | wols | Quintin: it's OT, go away |
| 08:15.27 | Guerin | Quintin: it's Fisher-Price My First UI |
| 08:15.39 | Guerin | yes, I have used it, quite extensively |
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| 08:16.46 | Quintin | Guerin: It's far ahead of anything else |
| 08:16.48 | cast | Quintin: i vote use whatever you use, but use something Free |
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| 08:18.00 | Guerin | Quintin: if by `ahead' you mean `easy for new users and frustrating for anyone else', then perhaps you're right. But either way, it's proprietary shite, only runs on expensive proprietary shite hardware, and is thoroughly offtopic. |
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| 08:22.25 | bullgard4 | lspci -vv prints: "0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRIV (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)." Where is explained what domain=0000 means? |
| 08:22.52 | Quintin | Guerin: Now you're trolling. you should be smart enough to know that it runs fine on an off-the-shelf PC. |
| 08:23.53 | Guerin | Quintin: as long as it's an *apple* pc. |
| 08:24.02 | Azar | Guerin: with the 2.6.x kernel do I still need to pass append="hdd=ide-scsi" to lilo in order to have the cd-rw enabled in the kernel? |
| 08:24.09 | Draggor | Question: How do I adjust the console resolution, width, font, etc? At this point, the system just cries running X |
| 08:24.14 | Guerin | Azar: you shouldn't |
| 08:24.21 | Azar | Guerin: thanks |
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| 08:24.39 | Guerin | Azar: by which I mean, you shouldn't do it; it's been deprecated for ide-cd |
| 08:24.52 | Azar | ah cool |
| 08:25.01 | Azar | Draggor: plain x? |
| 08:25.05 | Guerin | Draggor: svgatextmode, or pass a vga=791 to the kernel |
| 08:25.13 | Guerin | or some other number which you can google |
| 08:25.28 | Guerin | Draggor: oh, you want to change the x resolution? |
| 08:25.38 | Draggor | guerin: No, I want to stop using X |
| 08:25.49 | Azar | I guess he does not have some openbox, fluxbox installed |
| 08:25.49 | Guerin | ok. As i said, then. |
| 08:25.51 | roxy_ | Guerin: considering the time you spend here I amazed you can still bother answering MacOs is better than debian thread :-) |
| 08:25.59 | Azar | ahh |
| 08:26.06 | Guerin | roxy_: it comes up surprisingly infrequently. |
| 08:26.30 | Draggor | guerin: Just for an idea, I'm hoping the equivalent of 1024x768 is possible? |
| 08:27.54 | Quintin | Guerin: er, no. any random intel pc. |
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| 08:28.28 | Guerin | Quintin: without breaking the EULA? This must be a new thing. |
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| 08:29.06 | Guerin | Draggor: vga=791 *is* 1024x768; put it on the end of your `kernel' line in grub |
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| 08:29.19 | Guerin | or 792 if you want 24-bit colour |
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| 08:29.36 | Draggor | Guerin: Oh! Well then, thanks! Googling things in links is a bit hard, heh. |
| 08:29.43 | Guerin | yeh |
| 08:29.59 | Guerin | if there were decent web browsers for nconsole, I wouldn't bother using x most of the time |
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| 08:30.15 | Guerin | and no, links2 is *not* decent |
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| 08:31.46 | davut | hi |
| 08:31.53 | davut | I wanna install debian unstable |
| 08:32.11 | cast | Cameron Dale will expand a BitTorrent application to work effectively with large, constantly updating collections of files such as the Debian archive, and create a backend or proxy to the Debian package distribution tool APT to access it. - that sounds interesting |
| 08:32.14 | davut | is unstable debian is still suppoorted? |
| 08:33.07 | xand | !unstable |
| 08:33.07 | dpkg | well, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 08:33.16 | Azar | hmmm Guerin I keep bumping on good howtos, but all old tell me to configure ide-scsi in my kernel... to enable cd-r |
| 08:33.21 | Azar | http://www.joreybump.com/code/howto/debian/cdr.html |
| 08:33.53 | Lynoure | But unstable is also a lot of fun, if you are ok with it occasionally breaking :) |
| 08:34.38 | ma3x | when I reconfigure the locales, where are they cached? |
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| 08:35.26 | davut | I wanna install unstable on desktop |
| 08:35.34 | davut | is it risky? |
| 08:35.48 | Guerin | cast: people have been on about this sort of thing since bittorrent was invented, but there's neve rbeen demand for it since mirror space and bandwidth is plentiful. |
| 08:35.49 | Quintin | davut: so.. get a netinst disc already? |
| 08:36.17 | davut | no I am trying to find is netinst cd but could not? |
| 08:36.20 | Guerin | davut: yes, it's very stupid. The worst bit is that if you ask for help in here, we get to point and laugh and ridicule you. |
| 08:36.24 | Guerin | more than usual, I mean |
| 08:36.27 | Quintin | cast: that sounds very exciting. |
| 08:36.33 | cydork | davut: if you have to ask, you shouldn't ! |
| 08:36.43 | Guerin | if you can't find an install disk, it's a good sign that you're not read for Sid |
| 08:36.45 | cydork | davut: things break all the time! |
| 08:36.51 | davut | hm ok I will go with testing then |
| 08:37.09 | Draggor | Depending on how new you are, davut, stable is a good way to go. |
| 08:37.13 | Guerin | Azar: use a debian kernel |
| 08:37.17 | ma3x | i just generated all locales and it took pretty much some space on my hd |
| 08:37.19 | davut | Guerin: I installed unstable 3 years ago and you are very arrogant :P |
| 08:37.20 | ma3x | how do i delete them? |
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| 08:37.32 | Azar | Guerin: 2.6.8 precompiled on Sarge |
| 08:37.39 | Guerin | davut: i'm not arrogant, i'm just fucking right ;) |
| 08:37.58 | Draggor | Guerin: That is arrogant, just wear the badge proudly ;) |
| 08:38.03 | Azar | davut: he has a reason to be: he is fuking allways right |
| 08:38.04 | wols | ma3x: tried unselecting them on in dpkg-reconfigur locales? |
| 08:38.09 | Draggor | Guerin: Remember, you can be arrogand AND right. |
| 08:38.15 | Draggor | err, arrogant* |
| 08:38.18 | Draggor | No idea what arrogand is |
| 08:38.22 | Guerin | irony is just lost on some people |
| 08:38.43 | Draggor | I blame my lack of sleep |
| 08:38.45 | Azar | good ol' spanking |
| 08:38.53 | bonii | I am facing a strange problem after installing wlassistant a KDE app in Etch GNOME |
| 08:38.59 | cydork | Draggor: or in Guerin's case lack of sheep :P |
| 08:39.08 | Guerin | !kiwismite cydork |
| 08:39.16 | Azar | mister cydork! |
| 08:39.18 | Draggor | <----confused |
| 08:39.32 | cydork | heh |
| 08:39.33 | bonii | Now whenever I tryo to play totem it gives me error saying cannot link to .kde and crashes and after running the KDE app it runs. |
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| 08:39.44 | Azar | omg cdw is so cool! |
| 08:39.58 | wols | Guerin: there are a few crunchtimes when it is needed. for security.debian.org, for when there is a new release, etc |
| 08:40.01 | Draggor | Man I haven't used debian in so long. |
| 08:40.02 | ma3x | wols, i did unselect them but that didnt release the space |
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| 08:40.05 | davut | Guerin: r u latino |
| 08:40.10 | Guerin | wols: yes, that's true. |
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| 08:40.23 | yggdrasi1 | hello, can somone help me in getting a console mouse to work ? playing around with an old laptop nice cli box. |
| 08:40.25 | Guerin | davut: is this the new a/s/l? |
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| 08:40.39 | davut | ehehe nope |
| 08:40.39 | Guerin | yggdrasi1: aptitude install gpm; done |
| 08:40.40 | cydork | yggdrasi1: install gpm |
| 08:40.41 | wols | yggdrasi1: apt-get install gpm |
| 08:40.42 | Draggor | Guerin: a/s/l? |
| 08:40.52 | wols | !asl |
| 08:40.52 | dpkg | wols, American Sign Language isn't very useful on Internet Relay Chat Old enough, Yes please, My place. above sea level |
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| 08:41.01 | Draggor | Guerin: (I know what it is, I'm just asking you ;) ) |
| 08:41.01 | Guerin | Draggor: old enough/not with you/here |
| 08:41.05 | Draggor | Aww |
| 08:41.09 | yggdrasi1 | thanks guys |
| 08:41.11 | Draggor | <---dejected |
| 08:41.23 | Guerin | !comfort Draggor |
| 08:41.23 | dpkg | There, there, Draggor. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 08:41.26 | wols | Guerin: you are too old, not old enough |
| 08:41.38 | Guerin | one is never too old |
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| 08:42.08 | Draggor | Ugh installing pidgin is a pain. |
| 08:42.15 | wols | after a certain age it's impoosible to have sex at any location. so yes, it's easy to be too old |
| 08:42.22 | abchirk | Hi |
| 08:42.46 | cydork | wols: heh true.. |
| 08:42.48 | wols | pidgin itself is a pain, so installing it should be hard. cuts down on users thankfully |
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| 08:42.50 | yggdrasi1 | hahah awesome !!! mouse |
| 08:42.51 | Draggor | Modern medicine says otherwise |
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| 08:43.07 | Azar | I swear!~ mann I learn more about burning just looking at cdw than any howtos on google |
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| 08:43.16 | wols | Draggor: unfortunately they didn't manage a proof |
| 08:43.23 | Quintin | Does links preload and cache links to other pages? |
| 08:43.52 | yggdrasi1 | is lynx still a decen console browser ? |
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| 08:44.09 | yggdrasi1 | ehm decent even |
| 08:44.10 | CHICA-SEXYY | DEBIAN 4.0? |
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| 08:44.17 | Draggor | All I know is the guys at Pidgin continue to do everything possible to ruin the gui |
| 08:44.24 | Draggor | Thankfully finch is decent |
| 08:44.40 | yggdrasi1 | sid |
| 08:45.00 | cydork | yggdrasi1: links2 is pretty good! |
| 08:45.19 | yggdrasi1 | ahh hmm |
| 08:45.35 | yggdrasi1 | ok thanks |
| 08:45.43 | Quintin | yggdrasi1: no. use links or links2 |
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| 08:45.45 | CHICA-SEXYY | http://servicios.laopinion.es/index.php?mod=2&p=1&idFoto=304&voto=304 |
| 08:45.45 | CHICA-SEXYY | 3vots |
| 08:45.47 | CHICA-SEXYY | please |
| 08:45.48 | CHICA-SEXYY | no spam |
| 08:45.54 | yggdrasi1 | darn, messed it |
| 08:46.06 | Azar | ok, Guerin cdw tells me that cd-rw should be (or is) listed as /dev/scd0 but I see fstab does not have it.... should I add it? |
| 08:46.18 | cydork | !ops CHICA-SEXYY is spamming |
| 08:46.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cydork complains about: CHICA-SEXYY is spamming |
| 08:46.21 | Quintin | Azar: why does cdw rock? I find most of their stuff overpriced |
| 08:46.50 | Azar | Quintin: I am talking about cdw debian package, not the tapes/discs |
| 08:47.01 | yggdrasi1 | hahaha |
| 08:47.03 | Quintin | Azar: oh. thought you meant cdw.com |
| 08:47.07 | yggdrasi1 | funny |
| 08:47.29 | CHICA-SEXYY | no hay un debian en español? |
| 08:47.31 | Azar | yeah I know google for cdw and you get the tapes or discs.. |
| 08:47.33 | CHICA-SEXYY | no entiendo ni pipa |
| 08:47.38 | Azar | !es |
| 08:47.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:47.38 | CHICA-SEXYY | tengo que ir a clase de inglés |
| 08:47.39 | CHICA-SEXYY | :S |
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| 08:47.42 | CHICA-SEXYY | lol |
| 08:48.54 | yggdrasi1 | dam, i just tainted my cli box with x11-common :( |
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| 08:49.07 | Draggor | Eww, how'd that happen? |
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| 08:49.19 | yggdrasi1 | not paying attention |
| 08:49.22 | Draggor | Heh |
| 08:49.24 | Azar | some lost spanish girl |
| 08:49.32 | yggdrasi1 | wtf was that about anyway ? |
| 08:49.34 | yggdrasi1 | haha |
| 08:49.43 | Draggor | I don't know, but I still remember too much spanish from high school. |
| 08:49.51 | yggdrasi1 | if i were younger i would have had fun with that |
| 08:49.58 | Azar | looks like she is with "the opinion" news in spain |
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| 08:51.31 | Azar | anyways, my fstab has: /dev/hda2, /dev/hda1, proc, /dev/fd0, and /dev/hdc (for cdrom) will I need to add /dev/scd0 for cd-rw in fstab? |
| 08:51.41 | Quintin | the sad thing is, she's probably neither a chica, or sexy |
| 08:51.48 | yggdrasi1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.12 | yggdrasi1 | man i cant wait to take this bad boy to the local cybercafe now, got links2 and irssi |
| 08:52.26 | Draggor | Spanish dudes can be hot, though somehow I doubt 'she' would've been either. |
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| 08:52.37 | yggdrasi1 | i havea pcmcia wireless card that ipulled out of an old router, it has an antenna like dangling off of it |
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| 08:52.59 | Quintin | yggdrasi1: are you trying to resurrect a craptastic portable? |
| 08:53.00 | Draggor | Woot, forgot to install make |
| 08:53.39 | yggdrasi1 | quitin basicly yes |
| 08:53.51 | Quintin | yggdrasi1: what's in it? |
| 08:53.53 | Draggor | I forget, what package is lspci in? |
| 08:54.04 | Quintin | Draggor: apt-cache search lspci ffs :P |
| 08:54.06 | yggdrasi1 | hehe trying to load sysinfo.pl right now |
| 08:54.09 | yggdrasi1 | gime a sec |
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| 08:54.23 | Quintin | yggdrasi1: cat /proc/cpuinfo cat /proc/meminfo |
| 08:54.23 | Draggor | I'm running make right now, that'd take like 10 minutes to run |
| 08:54.40 | Azar | no howto for cdw |
| 08:54.46 | Quintin | Draggor: huh? use a diff. vty then |
| 08:55.01 | Draggor | No no, I mean, the system is so old, that'd take forever to run. |
| 08:55.16 | lasking_opera | hello guys i have netinst.iso if i need install gnome desktop what packages need to apt-get? |
| 08:55.23 | lasking_opera | nobody knows? |
| 08:55.35 | xand | lasking_opera: choose the desktop system option when you install |
| 08:55.37 | xand | it'll install gnome |
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| 08:56.06 | Ch0Hag | How do I create a file in postinst but have Debian treat it as a conffile? |
| 08:56.08 | Draggor | hmm, brb |
| 08:56.26 | yggdrasi1 | exec cat /proc/cpuinfo cat /proc/meminfo |
| 08:56.33 | Ch0Hag | Including recording its md5sum. |
| 08:56.44 | yggdrasi1 | doh |
| 08:56.46 | Azar | ha figures, cdw is listed in "unstable" list of packges in Debian, but heck I got it on Sarge |
| 08:57.04 | lasking_opera | xand: i only have a netinst.iso (180M) where is gnome? |
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| 08:57.17 | yggdrasi1 | i hope that didnt paste into the # did it ? |
| 08:57.31 | Quintin | yggdrasi1: no. hey, I just ran that script. looks sort of useful |
| 08:57.45 | yggdrasi1 | haha |
| 08:57.54 | yggdrasi1 | great |
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| 08:58.43 | yggdrasi1 | quitin wich one ? |
| 08:58.49 | Quintin | yggdrasi1: so what's in your thing then? :P I'm considering doing similar... friend is giving me some old crappy laptop held together with ducktape |
| 08:58.52 | Quintin | yggdrasi1: the old portable |
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| 09:01.16 | Azar | this is really FUNNY! hehe http://paste.debian.net/30865 |
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| 09:01.40 | xand | erm. |
| 09:01.42 | xand | FINE |
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| 09:02.39 | Quintin | ... |
| 09:02.46 | yggdrasi1 | quintin |
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| 09:02.54 | yggdrasi1 | almost got it |
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| 09:03.52 | Draggor | Okay, where do I set vga=792? |
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| 09:04.13 | yggdrasi1 | draggor in /boot/grub/menu.list ? |
| 09:04.28 | Gekkko | I'm new to debian, and the version I have is: debian 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 09:04.35 | Gekkko | how do I update the kernel? Source only? |
| 09:04.36 | Draggor | yggdrasil1: Yeah, I mean, where in there do I set that? |
| 09:04.45 | yggdrasi1 | quintin |
| 09:04.49 | Quintin | yggdrasi1: what |
| 09:04.51 | yggdrasi1 | Host 'Router', running Linux 2.6.8-3-386 - Cpu0: Pentium MMX 164 MHz; Up: 44 min; Users: 4; Load: 0.00; Free: [Mem: 1/29 Mio] [Swap: 276/282 Mio] [/: 242/618 Mio]; Vpenis: 8.6 cm; |
| 09:04.52 | Gekkko | yggdrasi1, from yggdrasil linux? |
| 09:04.55 | yggdrasi1 | whoo hoo |
| 09:05.03 | Quintin | ooh |
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| 09:05.05 | yggdrasi1 | no from the tree in norse mythology |
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| 09:05.12 | Gekkko | k |
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| 09:05.21 | Gekkko | so how do I update the kernel? Only on my own? |
| 09:05.22 | yggdrasi1 | everyone says that though gekko |
| 09:05.27 | Gekkko | lol |
| 09:05.33 | yggdrasi1 | thanks for the recognition though |
| 09:05.41 | yggdrasi1 | quinton sexy huh ? |
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| 09:05.57 | cirrus_ | What is best practice to open a single directory on my Webserver to users for uploading? (I have Apache on Debian Etch) |
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| 09:06.07 | ruben_ | what is the way to extrac all login system acces? |
| 09:06.24 | Quintin | yggdrasi1: oddly, my sysinfo script doesn't give vpenis |
| 09:06.32 | cammallon | hi, hey is there such an ftp-client which allows to edit files easily? So that the user would only have to click the file, ftp downloads it automaticly and after savin, ftp uploads it back |
| 09:06.37 | yggdrasi1 | ahh sysinfoplus my man! |
| 09:06.40 | Quintin | cirrus_: make some kind of upload script. or use scp or maybe ftp |
| 09:06.44 | segagman | ok well i have been runing xubuntu on a old rig i got from my sister so i decided to run full on ubuntu ...well this rig wont run live cds winblows cds i have put several different drives in to ... i dont know ......any1? |
| 09:06.51 | Quintin | cammallon: filezilla |
| 09:07.03 | Quintin | segagman: this isn't #ubuntu |
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| 09:07.08 | Quintin | yggdrasi1: yea |
| 09:07.13 | cirrus_ | Quintin: I would really like sftp, but I have to create a user account allowing users too much. |
| 09:07.14 | cammallon | Quintin: and that is FTP-client eh? |
| 09:07.22 | Quintin | yggdrasi1: my router is faster though <3 ppro 133, 128m ram fbsd 6.1 |
| 09:07.24 | yggdrasi1 | strange that then |
| 09:07.27 | yggdrasi1 | hahah |
| 09:07.29 | yggdrasi1 | hmmm |
| 09:07.30 | Gekkko | gah, noone has told me how to update the kernel >_> |
| 09:07.30 | Quintin | cirrus_: set the shell to scponly |
| 09:07.31 | cirrus_ | Quintin: can I restrict sftp to _only_ this dir? |
| 09:07.33 | Azar | Guerin: can you please help me understand what vbali just replied here? please.. http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1070057&forum_id=157112 |
| 09:07.37 | Quintin | cirrus_: easy |
| 09:07.45 | yggdrasi1 | ppros were the shiznat in the day |
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| 09:07.57 | cirrus_ | Quintin: how can I set the shell to this user? |
| 09:08.14 | segagman | i thought people in here would know more ubt ill figerit out as useal just a bunch of popes azz iz every were |
| 09:08.14 | Quintin | cirrus_: usermod -s ? read the manual pages. |
| 09:08.26 | yggdrasi1 | it was a router for about 3 weeks, not anymore though |
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| 09:09.17 | Azar | why the cd-rw has to be on scsi format? my cd-rw is ATAPI |
| 09:09.57 | Azar | ah fuck, I am done, buy the CD and forget about freaking burning |
| 09:10.28 | EmleyMoor | Azar: It doesn't - ATAPI is supported by most burning software |
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| 09:11.01 | cirrus_ | Quintin: I now did usermod -s scponly <username> |
| 09:11.06 | Azar | EmleyMoor: cdw say that my cd-rw is /dev/scd0 < scsi |
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| 09:11.28 | EmleyMoor | Azar: Are you using SCSI emulation? |
| 09:11.34 | Azar | only cdrom is listed as a normal hdc |
| 09:11.34 | cirrus_ | Quintin: how can I now actually use this user? I tried my SCP/sftp-Client (Fugu on Mac) and it cannot login |
| 09:11.41 | Azar | EmleyMoor: maybe the kernel, not me |
| 09:11.53 | EmleyMoor | Azar: Hmmm... don't know cdw |
| 09:12.10 | Quintin | cirrus_: you need to install scponly |
| 09:12.14 | EmleyMoor | SCSI emulation broke horrendously once IIRC - but haven't needed it since |
| 09:12.18 | Azar | EmleyMoor: burning CDs is more complicated than learning to install and configure woody |
| 09:12.33 | EmleyMoor | woody? That's old hat! |
| 09:13.02 | Azar | woody was way easier to learn to install than learning to burn CDs |
| 09:13.17 | EmleyMoor | Burning CDs was tricky to get going - but once done, is easy |
| 09:13.39 | Azar | im gonna cancel my CD-R and CD-RW orders and buy a Etch set |
| 09:14.00 | Azar | EmleyMoor: I have four years trying to learn burning CDs... wasted money and time |
| 09:14.14 | cirrus_ | Quintin: hmm, installed apt-get install scponly, but still no login... |
| 09:14.14 | yggdrasi1 | azar whats the problem ? |
| 09:14.19 | Azar | I am done.. no more |
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| 09:14.21 | Gekkko | oh damn |
| 09:14.25 | Quintin | cirrus_: read the fucking manual |
| 09:14.31 | Gekkko | can someone please tell me how to update the kernel in Debian |
| 09:14.33 | Azar | yggdrasi1: I am not able to learn about burning stuff |
| 09:14.36 | Gekkko | is it only available by source? |
| 09:14.38 | Gekkko | or is there a binary? |
| 09:14.43 | yggdrasi1 | hmm |
| 09:14.58 | yggdrasi1 | what do you want to burn, and are you doing it from the command line ? |
| 09:14.59 | Azar | Gekkko: what debian version, what kernel version? |
| 09:15.14 | Azar | I wanted command line since I don't use a .dm |
| 09:15.16 | EmleyMoor | I have a locally made gettext.sh package in /usr/local/stow - I cannot recall what it was I needed it for - can anyone suggest how I could find out? |
| 09:15.25 | yggdrasi1 | i see |
| 09:15.37 | yggdrasi1 | not an easy task for certain. |
| 09:15.47 | Gekkko | debian 2.6.18-4-k7 |
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| 09:16.08 | Azar | Gekkko: hmmm Etch... try find out about backports for a higher version |
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| 09:16.20 | Azar | Gekkko: /msg dpkg backports |
| 09:16.26 | yggdrasi1 | you have started down this cli path for your own reasons, to quit now would truly be a defeat to all that is you. |
| 09:16.36 | Gekkko | thanks Azar |
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| 09:16.50 | narma | Hello, I want to use UDF file system on a DVD. So I have installed udftools package. I did ' mkudffs --media-type=dvd --utf8 /dev/sr0'. But when I want to see available space I have only 1022M on a 4.7Go DVD :( I have already do UDF on DVD on I think there were more space than 1022M. What did I do wrong ? thank |
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| 09:17.03 | Azar | yggdrasi1: just to use something that does not look like windows |
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| 09:17.50 | Gekkko | Azar: basically, I need quota support |
| 09:17.50 | Azar | and all cdw tutorials are old and all recommend a scsi emulation in kernel for a cd-rw |
| 09:17.55 | Gekkko | is that in the kernel I have? |
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| 09:18.15 | Azar | Gekkko: sorry can't understand you? |
| 09:18.27 | Gekkko | quota support, for an ssh server |
| 09:18.32 | Gekkko | to set a limit of space a user has |
| 09:18.34 | Draggor | Okay, I have it set to vga=791 |
| 09:18.38 | Azar | your kernel is 2.6.18 as you just told me |
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| 09:18.45 | yggdrasi1 | is there a cli media player that can stream from the internet |
| 09:18.49 | yggdrasi1 | draggor |
| 09:18.49 | Draggor | However, the space of the console goes off the screen |
| 09:18.57 | yggdrasi1 | oh bummer |
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| 09:19.06 | Draggor | Any way to get around that? |
| 09:19.07 | yggdrasi1 | try 785 |
| 09:19.15 | yggdrasi1 | i think |
| 09:19.19 | yggdrasi1 | is it a laptop ? |
| 09:19.20 | Gekkko | does anyone know if the kernel .config comes with Debian? |
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| 09:19.24 | Draggor | Yes it is |
| 09:19.26 | Gekkko | the one that it was compiled with |
| 09:19.37 | yggdrasi1 | your gonna have to find a mode thats good |
| 09:19.37 | Draggor | Toshiba Tecra 550 CDT |
| 09:19.47 | yggdrasi1 | google up um grub vga modes i think |
| 09:19.52 | Draggor | Gotcha |
| 09:19.55 | yggdrasi1 | theres abotu 20 of em |
| 09:20.23 | Draggor | Ugh, google's revised main page BLOWS |
| 09:20.31 | Draggor | They fail at graceful degregation |
| 09:20.35 | yggdrasi1 | so is there a command line media player that can play streamed video ? |
| 09:20.47 | yggdrasi1 | uh streamed audio even |
| 09:20.47 | yggdrasi1 | hahaha |
| 09:21.00 | yggdrasi1 | thats one for the logs |
| 09:21.56 | petemc | you can play video in a terminal with aalib |
| 09:22.01 | Draggor | aalib rules |
| 09:22.02 | petemc | it looks like shite, tho |
| 09:22.07 | yggdrasi1 | mhmm |
| 09:22.12 | yggdrasi1 | im ok haha |
| 09:22.22 | yggdrasi1 | what about audio from cli ? |
| 09:22.49 | petemc | aplay? |
| 09:22.54 | petemc | there should be a few |
| 09:23.39 | yggdrasi1 | hmm |
| 09:23.48 | yggdrasi1 | thanks |
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| 09:26.44 | ion_bidon | hello; anyone knows the anonymous user/password on windows shares ? |
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| 09:29.13 | \cheerio | How can i defrag a running server? |
| 09:29.28 | petemc | you probably dont need to |
| 09:29.28 | test | what's the right way of restricting access to aptitude ,apt ,apt* tools to only root |
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| 09:29.38 | test | and dpkg |
| 09:29.40 | EmleyMoor | \cheerio: Why would you want to?@ |
| 09:29.43 | petemc | test: only root can install stuff anyway |
| 09:29.43 | Draggor | sudo |
| 09:30.02 | test | petemc, regular users can download packages with aptitude download |
| 09:30.10 | test | and uncompress them with dpkg -x |
| 09:30.23 | Draggor | sudo is your friend, learn it well |
| 09:30.35 | petemc | test: and thats a problem, how? |
| 09:30.43 | test | petemc, run commands i dont want |
| 09:30.49 | \cheerio | disk access just got very very slow |
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| 09:32.22 | EmleyMoor | test: If you really feel these programs have to be restricted, change the group that owns them and put all "may use" people in that group, and chmod accordingly |
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| 09:34.09 | vladuz976 | is there a package for java run time environment? |
| 09:34.12 | yggdrasi1 | hmmm isnt there something called alsaconf ? |
| 09:34.13 | simmerz | making numerous machines identical is as simple as getting get-selections and the set-selections on the new machine from it, copying most of /etc over? obviously minus the hosts file and any other non-identical ones? |
| 09:34.29 | simmerz | obviously a ghost would be simpler, but I don't have that option |
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| 09:34.53 | test | i have to do it with gzip and bzip2 too , but i wonder if there are any debian tools or script that execute these as system users? |
| 09:36.02 | wols | \cheerio: full is your filesystem and what filesystem is it? |
| 09:36.47 | wols | !tell vladuz976 about install java |
| 09:36.57 | wols | yggdrasi1: there is |
| 09:37.08 | wols | !tell yggdrasi1 about alsa one-liner |
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| 09:37.15 | yggdrasi1 | thanks |
| 09:37.37 | wols | yggdrasi1: can your users upload files? |
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| 09:39.19 | yggdrasi1 | wols thanks for the help |
| 09:39.45 | uthersde | hello, i have a small problem, i can't write as an normal user on an 65 gb ext3 or xfs partion, i add rw to the fstab option but it don't help ... |
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| 09:41.16 | wols | uthersde: you have a wrong user id probably |
| 09:41.24 | wols | this ext3 partition is from another linux install? |
| 09:41.37 | siimo | Hi i just installed Lenny and the installer seemed to detect my ethernet just fine but once installed the base system and rebooted into the 2.6.18 kernel it didnt manage to get my ethernet port working.. any ideas? it said something like device not found/no such device if i did ifup eth0 |
| 09:42.11 | siimo | my ethernet port is a nForce 430 gigabit port and in lsmod it shows up as forcedeth and it is loaded in lenny but it still cant use it for some reason |
| 09:42.13 | Draggor | You need to make sure you have eth0 defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:42.14 | uthersde | wols: the ext3 partition is fresh formated with gparded ... |
| 09:42.48 | Draggor | siimo: something like: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 09:42.57 | yggdrasi1 | wols, whats the best cli mp3 player ? |
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| 09:43.13 | siimo | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.22 | siimo | (those were 3 lines) |
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| 09:45.20 | uthersde | wols: only root can write ... /dev/sda7 /media/ext65 ext3 users,auto,rw 0 2 |
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| 09:45.59 | jelly-home | uthersde: you'll have to chown the mount point to your user after it's mounted |
| 09:46.11 | siimo | any ideas anyone? |
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| 09:46.32 | jelly-home | uthersde: or set up appropriate permissions to allow everyone to write |
| 09:46.32 | wols | uthersde: ls -al /media/ext65 |
| 09:47.29 | wols | siimo: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 09:47.47 | wols | if it tells you about DHCPDISCOVER messages it can't find the dhcp server |
| 09:47.52 | siimo | wols: i did that it does nothing.. just says stoppign and starting but it doesnt actually do anyything |
| 09:48.09 | wols | ifconfig -a. eth0 exists? |
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| 09:48.28 | siimo | wols: dhcp server is no prob i am on the same pc right now via a live CD... also the lenny installer which was march 2007 detected it fine and i did netinstall :X |
| 09:48.43 | test | any scripts for autocleaning /tmp dir once in a while? |
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| 09:49.13 | siimo | might i try upgrading to sid? |
| 09:49.45 | wols | siimo: I asked you something |
| 09:49.51 | wols | no |
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| 09:50.10 | wols | test: /tmp gets cleaned on evrey reboot |
| 09:50.13 | siimo | wols: i need to reboot and try that out so brb |
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| 09:51.26 | test | wols, i know , but i dont rebooty |
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| 09:51.53 | test | maybe somethin like tmpwatch (redhat) for debian |
| 09:52.03 | n000b | hi all |
| 09:52.17 | Trewas | test: there's tmpreaper |
| 09:52.49 | n000b | how can i turn off persistent device naming in udev? |
| 09:53.07 | test | what is EUID |
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| 09:55.43 | yggdrasi2 | ok gents |
| 09:55.48 | yggdrasi2 | havea pleasant time |
| 09:55.51 | yggdrasi2 | im sleeping |
| 09:56.43 | uthersde | wols: thanks |
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| 09:58.30 | siimo | wols: yes it does exist |
| 09:58.52 | siimo | but if i do ifup eth0 i see this: Error while getting interface flags : no such device |
| 09:59.04 | phliver | hey how would i extract multipart .zip files? (.z01 .z02). Its unsupported in 'unzip'. im supposed to concatenate them |
| 09:59.06 | piti | Hi I want to allow access to a user to a usb device. I have added a /etc/udev/rules.d/90-libgphoto2.rules file containing http://pastebin.ca/575986 . at the moment, udev seems to not 'view' this file. how can I explain it there's a file here ? |
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| 10:00.31 | wols | siimo: is there a eth1? anything else? |
| 10:01.16 | siimo | wols: no thre is no eth1... there is only eth0 and lo |
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| 10:03.21 | siimo | wols: by the way this is a newly built system built it just 1 hr ago.. but i thought nforce 430 has ben around a while so shouldnt have problems |
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| 10:06.27 | wols | siimo: check your dmesg for any messages about eth. syslog too |
| 10:07.14 | siimo | wols: [ 3.564000] forcedeth.c: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 0.59. |
| 10:07.30 | siimo | [ 5.224000] forcedeth: using HIGHDMA [ 5.748000] eth0: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01043:8234 bound to 0000:00:07.0 |
| 10:07.47 | wols | siimo: I asked you about the marvel one. not the nforce one |
| 10:08.06 | wols | in your paste, eth0 si forcedeth. eth1 ir smarvel |
| 10:08.13 | siimo | marvel? |
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| 10:10.14 | psyche | wols whats wrong with Marvell? |
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| 10:10.31 | psyche | i have Marvell Yukon Gigabit Ethernet |
| 10:11.04 | cirrus_ | which options do I have to set to make a cifs mount (from win2003) globally writeable? |
| 10:11.18 | siimo | am i supposed to type those commands |
| 10:11.28 | cirrus_ | I have already set those options in /etc/fstab: |
| 10:11.29 | cirrus_ | mode=777,rw,users,user,auto,gid=www-data,uid=www-data |
| 10:11.44 | siimo | brb |
| 10:11.50 | cirrus_ | the uid & gid are because I want to write to that directory via WebDAV |
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| 10:18.39 | dimir | v2ike v2ike inimene |
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| 10:19.52 | wols | sorry. different channel almsot smae problem he has two nics and has connection problems |
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| 10:25.22 | bullgard4 | lspci -vv prints: "0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRIV (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)." Where is explained what domain=0000 means? |
| 10:25.39 | Flusher | Hello. I have to install Etch on a second computer and I'd like to reinstall the same packages I installed on the first one. How may I get the (parseable) list please ? |
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| 10:28.01 | redduck666 | !clone |
| 10:28.02 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 10:28.07 | redduck666 | :( |
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| 10:28.28 | redduck666 | Flusher: dpkg --get-selections and --selections are your friend |
| 10:28.36 | redduck666 | errr, --set-selections |
| 10:28.43 | Flusher | redduck666: thanks a lot ! :) |
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| 10:29.48 | N0body | gonna sleep now, gnight everyone |
| 10:30.27 | jelly-home | redduck666: probably /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 10:30.44 | redduck666 | Flusher: ^ |
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| 10:31.07 | jelly-home | /msg dpkg listvalues set-selections |
| 10:31.50 | redduck666 | !tee redduck666 about clone |
| 10:31.54 | redduck666 | !tell redduck666 about clone |
| 10:32.07 | redduck666 | !tell redduck666 about debian clone |
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| 10:32.18 | redduck666 | !debian clone |
| 10:32.18 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 10:32.26 | redduck666 | ok, enaugh of spamming from me :) |
| 10:32.27 | jelly-home | !tell redduck666 -about selftell |
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| 10:33.44 | jelly-home | /msg dpkg listvalues set-selections |
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| 10:44.40 | efaistos | hi |
| 10:45.17 | redduck666 | efaistos: hi |
| 10:46.21 | efaistos | did someone have this message : AIGLX :3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23, 0x24 ... 0x32 ? I cant startx ... everytime I have to reboot the computer because it freezes :'( |
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| 10:52.11 | wols | efaistos: what video driver? |
| 10:52.20 | flybyte | What are the telltale signs of a linux server having Selinux installed on it, how do I find out. |
| 10:52.47 | efaistos | wols: ati |
| 10:53.21 | themill | flybyte: /etc/selinux is a good hint |
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| 10:53.40 | wols | efaistos: fglrx or ati? |
| 10:54.11 | jelly-home | fglrx doesn't have AIGLX afaik |
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| 10:54.48 | efaistos | wols: ati |
| 10:55.00 | wols | 3D otherwise works? |
| 10:55.22 | flybyte | I have inherited a live server with no /usr/src/linux dir, what could have happened to it, is that dir movable? |
| 10:55.29 | efaistos | 2nothing works right now |
| 10:55.45 | efaistos | tried some beryl stuffs yesterday and upgraded xserver |
| 10:55.49 | jelly-home | flybyte: debian doesn't have anything in /usr/src/linux |
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| 10:56.23 | wols | efaistos: it's nto what I asked |
| 10:56.45 | flybyte | jelly-home: so where does the kernel get compiled from? |
| 10:56.46 | efaistos | nope doesnt work ... never activate it ... |
| 10:56.47 | jelly-home | flybyte: kernel headers or the whole source might not be installed at all. Do you need them? |
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| 10:57.24 | flybyte | jelly-home: just need to know where they are? |
| 10:58.50 | wols | efaistos: that's why. get your 3D acceleration working since beryl depends on it |
| 10:58.52 | jelly-home | flybyte: eh? if you're building your own, you can put the source anywhere. If you want the distro's headers (or source), it would be nice to know the reason why you need them. |
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| 10:59.15 | jelly-home | flybyte: so as not to have to download unneeded stuff. |
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| 11:00.01 | flybyte | jelly-home: well I guess since I am now in charge of it, doesnt it make sence that I know? |
| 11:00.42 | jelly-home | flybyte: debian doesn't work that way. If you're using a distro kernel, you don't even need to have sources installed. |
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| 11:01.32 | jelly-home | flybyte: in other words, there's nothing wrong with not having a kernel source in /usr/src |
| 11:01.56 | flybyte | jelly-home: guess I am internally a slacker moving to the deb world |
| 11:02.52 | jelly-home | flybyte: hmm. try /msg dpkg refcard |
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| 11:03.09 | jelly-home | flybyte: also /msg dpkg search |
| 11:03.21 | tuxub | hi, how can i check what is the debian version installed on a machine? |
| 11:04.29 | wols | !version |
| 11:04.29 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
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| 11:05.04 | jelly-home | that too |
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| 11:05.24 | jelly-home | !test |
| 11:05.24 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 11:08.09 | livingdaylight | hi folks |
| 11:08.45 | jelly-home | hmph, dpkg won't forget obsolete factoids (like, say, "deb kernels") |
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| 11:09.50 | livingdaylight | I'm really confused... I've got a lenovo R60e laptop and it seems it is being pointed to debian... but i've had so much conflicting info... some say i should use suse, some advocate pclinuxos and so on... i do know i want to rid xp off my machine but i need it to work good too.. and laptops are a bit trickier than desktops it seems |
| 11:10.17 | livingdaylight | http://www.red-bean.com/kfogel/thinkpad-r60-debian.html |
| 11:10.31 | jelly-home | livingdaylight: a good source for running linux on thinkpads is thinkwiki.org |
| 11:10.33 | liable | if any distro works, debian will |
| 11:10.50 | liable | however, debians laptop polish isnt as good as others |
| 11:11.01 | jelly-home | "any" distro might come with closed source or commercial drivers |
| 11:11.11 | livingdaylight | aguess, my concern is that debian aims a bit too much at old architectures and is a bit behind the cutting edge... am i wrong? |
| 11:11.11 | liable | which is actually good, if you want to know what is doing what |
| 11:12.01 | liable | jelly-home: pfft, the only three things are wirles graphics and modem |
| 11:12.02 | jelly-home | livingdaylight: I've been able to make most of the hardware on my Z60m work, but I specifically chose the machine which had good opensource drivers for important bits |
| 11:12.06 | livingdaylight | i do like a bit of polish...for my system to look contemporary |
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| 11:12.27 | jelly-home | liable: haha "only" network connectivity and graphics. |
| 11:12.51 | liable | jelly-home: they still have ethernet, and vesa still works... |
| 11:12.55 | livingdaylight | jelly-home: well, you can say i put the cart in front of the horse... i just bought this system at the time and now i want to put linux on it |
| 11:13.25 | xlotlu | what's normally the /proc/(acpi?) entry that controls display brightness on a laptop? |
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| 11:15.20 | liable | jelly-home: and which wireless driver do you have that worked from the installer? |
| 11:15.52 | jelly-home | liable: I didn't use the installer, but copied the old disk. ;-) |
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| 11:16.26 | jelly-home | liable: also, that's an argument to not use debian. ;-) |
| 11:17.00 | liable | jelly-home: it is, but a poor one imho |
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| 11:17.49 | qiyong | is there some redirection command in smtp? ie redirect a@a.tld to b@b.tld |
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| 11:19.31 | jelly-home | qiyong: in the SMTP protocol? none. However, MTA (mail server software) usually have ways to set up "aliases", "forwards", "virtusertable" or some other feature that forwards the mail to the new address. |
| 11:20.54 | qiyong | jelly-home, how to forward user@domain.tld to user@mail.domain.tld with qmail? there's thousands of users |
| 11:20.57 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:21.15 | qiyong | liable, yes, this is vhost |
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| 11:21.56 | liable | qiyong: then it depends entirely how you setup your vhost email domains |
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| 11:22.12 | qiyong | liable, it is vpopmail |
| 11:22.29 | jelly-home | qiyong: you'll probably get a better answer on #qmail if it exists |
| 11:22.38 | liable | qiyong: um, you need to play with your sql tables or whatever |
| 11:23.05 | liable | qiyong: if you are hosting email domains, it may be a good idea to work how work |
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| 11:24.55 | tsb | Is it possible to have a 1000hz kernel without using a custom kernel? Further, a lot of gameserver guide (describing how to set up coutnerstrike etc) sais you need a 1000hz kernel, but I am a bit unsure myself about the gains from this. Is the difference that big? And what is the default debian tick? 100hz? |
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| 11:26.27 | jelly-home | tsb: CONFIG_HZ=250 for etch kernels |
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| 11:30.09 | test | hi |
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| 11:30.22 | test | in cupsd.conf i saw Require user @SYSTEM , where is SYSTEM defined |
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| 11:35.40 | earthian | hello! |
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| 11:36.23 | earthian | I need help cloning my windows partition (10GB) to a different disk with 20GB partition. Any idea how to do that? I would like to use DD tool for this. help! :) |
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| 11:37.02 | abrotman | earthian: you might want to ask ##windows (i think that exists) |
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| 11:37.23 | earthian | hmm.. thanks abrotman but i am on debian :P |
| 11:37.26 | earthian | i will ask there. |
| 11:37.46 | abrotman | earthian: sure .. but i'm sure there are lots of issues with 'moving' a windows partition |
| 11:38.03 | earthian | abrotman, i noticed :p |
| 11:38.08 | earthian | thanks :) |
| 11:38.52 | p0g0 | earthian: it's only an issue if it's the boot/system partition- there you'll hit drive ID issues |
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| 11:42.44 | HostilePenguin | wh ydoes debian create an extended partition when you use guided partitioning? |
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| 11:44.17 | xand | HostilePenguin: why I knew, it's annoying imo |
| 11:44.46 | HostilePenguin | silly |
| 11:46.02 | HostilePenguin | i was in a hurry to set the machine up last time ill do that |
| 11:46.17 | Snapser | why were you in a hurry? |
| 11:46.45 | HostilePenguin | i had no time? |
| 11:47.06 | Snapser | :( |
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| 11:47.59 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: so you're saying .. you didn't even check the partitioning ?> |
| 11:48.07 | bullgard4 | lspci -vv prints: "0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRIV (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)." Where is explained what domain=0000 means? |
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| 11:48.25 | HostilePenguin | yes i checked the partitioning just a little late |
| 11:48.40 | JarJarBinks | how do I install pcf fonts with defoma (or other tools) |
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| 11:48.51 | JarJarBinks | good links would be appreciated |
| 11:49.20 | abrotman | bullgard4: i'd imagine in the kernel docs .. or perhaps in the pciutils docs |
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| 11:52.00 | jetscreamer | where is domain=000 in what you typed/pasted? |
| 11:52.06 | jetscreamer | 0000 |
| 11:52.54 | abrotman | i think he means the first four zeroes |
| 11:53.05 | bullgard4 | abrotman: I have looked into the kernel docs. This a huge reservoir. So far I have found some other help therebut not the answer to my question. -- What do you mean with 'pciutils docs'? Speicifications of http://www.pcsig.com or what? |
| 11:53.19 | abrotman | bullgard4: lspci is part of the pciutils package |
| 11:54.05 | jetscreamer | 0000:00:1f.3 <-- that's the pci id isn't it? ah so you want to know what 'family' of stuff 0000 designates... ok nm |
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| 12:05.40 | efaistos | someone under lenny/sid has some problem with X ? |
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| 12:05.56 | abrotman | efaistos: you apparently |
| 12:06.35 | efaistos | abrotman: i mean is there some big issues with Xorg package ? |
| 12:06.53 | abrotman | why don't you tell us about the problem you're having :) |
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| 12:08.00 | efaistos | I dont have any error in my log file but when I try to start X the screen goes black and cant do anything ... cant change to a console with Alt+Ctrl +Fn or Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to kill it |
| 12:08.17 | abrotman | are you using the nvidia or fglrx ? |
| 12:08.22 | efaistos | ati one |
| 12:08.34 | abrotman | does X work if you use vesa ? |
| 12:08.50 | efaistos | didnt try |
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| 12:09.00 | efaistos | I'm bored with the reboots ... ;) |
| 12:09.19 | efaistos | only got a warning about AIGLX in my log file |
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| 12:11.07 | jelly-home | efaistos: which card do you have? |
| 12:11.32 | efaistos | ati 9600 |
| 12:11.37 | efaistos | XT |
| 12:12.03 | efaistos | i tried some beryl stuffs yesterday and upgraded Xorg and since then only console... |
| 12:12.20 | jelly-home | efaistos: ok. does the machine hang completely, or just X/the console? Can you ping it from another local machine when it happens? |
| 12:12.32 | efaistos | dont have any other machine here |
| 12:12.46 | jelly-home | so it could be only X |
| 12:12.55 | efaistos | I think so ... |
| 12:13.20 | efaistos | that's why i thought maybe there was some bug because since I just upgraded xorg ... |
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| 12:13.56 | efaistos | what is weird is that I dotn have anythin' special in my logfile |
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| 12:14.13 | jelly-home | efaistos: it's quite possible. can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 12:14.31 | efaistos | hmmm .... in console a little bit hard |
| 12:14.45 | efaistos | can I dcc it to you ? |
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| 12:15.05 | abrotman | the radeon driver should work for that |
| 12:15.13 | test | why dosent iceweasel prompt for username and password when trying to print using cups |
| 12:15.15 | jelly-home | efaistos: you can try but I doubt it'll work |
| 12:15.17 | efaistos | radeon ? |
| 12:15.24 | efaistos | didnt see that one only ati |
| 12:15.38 | jelly-home | abrotman: ati is a wrapper for radeon anyway |
| 12:15.50 | abrotman | didn't he say he was using fglrx ? |
| 12:15.53 | jelly-home | no |
| 12:15.57 | abrotman | grrr |
| 12:16.00 | abrotman | i asked him |
| 12:16.10 | tralala | efaistos, /msg dpkg console paster |
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| 12:16.32 | jelly-home | abrotman: your choices were "nvidia or fglrx", and the answer was "ati" :-) |
| 12:16.44 | efaistos | ;) |
| 12:16.50 | tralala | test, why should it? |
| 12:17.01 | Nichevo | :) |
| 12:17.02 | liable | yes |
| 12:17.15 | test | tralala, because i set Require option in cups |
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| 12:17.31 | test | tralala, it works with other apps |
| 12:17.40 | Nichevo | yeah, but no 3d :( |
| 12:17.53 | jelly-home | efaistos: good thing is your card is supposed to work. bad thing is, it apparently doesn't ;-) |
| 12:18.39 | efaistos | jelly-home: it worked until yesterday when I tried some beryl stuffs and when I upgraded xorg |
| 12:18.48 | efaistos | now ... I removed pkg about beyrl |
| 12:18.52 | abrotman | oh .. now he tells the truth! |
| 12:19.06 | efaistos | tried to reinstall xorg but nothin' |
| 12:19.09 | tralala | test, perhaps iceweasel is not configured to use cups |
| 12:19.18 | abrotman | tralala: ? |
| 12:19.35 | efaistos | i'm going to see if we vesa it's working ... |
| 12:19.37 | jelly-home | efaistos: I'd try disabling DRI in xorg.conf. (section Device, Option "NoDRI" "true") if that helps, file a bug... I'm not sure on what ;-) |
| 12:19.52 | efaistos | jelly-home: ;) |
| 12:19.54 | efaistos | ok |
| 12:19.54 | abrotman | efaistos: or move your xorg conf file out of the way and make a new one |
| 12:20.08 | efaistos | abrotman: already tried that |
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| 12:21.14 | tralala | abrotman, the printer settings, you know |
| 12:22.37 | abrotman | tralala: so it blocks iceweasel ? |
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| 12:24.06 | test | iceweasel wasnt compiled against cups?? |
| 12:24.15 | cirrus_ | how can I change file-permissions for a certain user without actually being that user? |
| 12:25.35 | tralala | No, I just assumed that if iceweasel is using lpr instead of cups it won't ask for password. In the printer dialog |
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| 12:27.01 | abrotman | i thought he was trying to configure cups |
| 12:27.13 | test | can cups be used with kerberos auth |
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| 12:28.44 | efaistos | hmmm ... tried to remove dri of the file ... |
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| 12:28.52 | efaistos | but freezed again ;'( |
| 12:28.58 | efaistos | now I'll try vesa |
| 12:29.17 | tralala | Erm... let's sum up because I got confused - cups works and asks for auth from other apps (OOo perhaps?) but not from iceweasel? |
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| 12:31.41 | cirrus_ | is there any program or script that can parse some directories automatically converting anything to pdf? |
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| 12:32.45 | abrotman | depends on the files in there |
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| 12:33.39 | _ericb | hi all |
| 12:34.33 | efaistos | i have a laptop right now |
| 12:34.46 | efaistos | so I could test if it's X or all system ... |
| 12:34.51 | efaistos | coming back |
| 12:35.00 | efaistos | just the time to launch a screen ;) |
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| 12:35.17 | efaistos | back |
| 12:35.39 | efaistos | ok now from the macbook ;) |
| 12:35.49 | omri | how can I get information about particular apache process? I want to know how much data was received from the client and read the headers (during a file upload, I don't want to wait for the upload to finish and then read it with CGI or so) |
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| 12:36.33 | efaistos | vesa working ... |
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| 12:36.39 | efaistos | not really well ... |
| 12:36.42 | efaistos | but working ... |
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| 12:36.51 | efaistos | why the ati doesnt work then ? |
| 12:36.55 | efaistos | weird ? |
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| 12:38.04 | efaistos | abrotman: jelly-home any idea ? |
| 12:38.29 | abrotman | does vesa ? |
| 12:38.40 | efaistos | vesa works |
| 12:38.50 | abrotman | tried reinstalling the ati driver ? |
| 12:39.10 | efaistos | which pkg is it ? xserver-xorg-video-ati ? |
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| 12:41.41 | jelly-home | efaistos: well, if removing dri didn't help (and you can confirm in the logs that dri was really disabled), then it might be a problem with 2D drivers. that's the correct package AFAIK, yes. what version did you upgrade to? dpkg -l xserver-xorg{,-video-ati} |
| 12:41.58 | abrotman | efaistos: yes |
| 12:43.26 | efaistos | jelly-home: |
| 12:43.28 | efaistos | 1:6.6.3-2 |
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| 12:44.36 | efaistos | even if I kill some stuff cant restart X |
| 12:44.50 | efaistos | or access to a console on the locla machine ... |
| 12:45.05 | efaistos | dont know why ... |
| 12:45.07 | abrotman | did you reinstall the driver? |
| 12:45.57 | efaistos | yes |
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| 12:48.57 | abrotman | efaistos: anything in the X logs ? |
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| 12:49.15 | efaistos | going to see that right now |
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| 12:49.38 | Ch0Hag | Can I make the etch installer use a custom sources.list? |
| 12:49.38 | efaistos | 957 Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list! |
| 12:49.49 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 12:49.49 | dpkg | from memory, custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 12:50.00 | Ch0Hag | The best I can find is the ability to specify a server. |
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| 12:50.19 | liable | Ch0Hag: no |
| 12:50.23 | user1_ | i have one general question about linux, can i ask here?? |
| 12:50.42 | liable | Ch0Hag: what sources list would you want to use at install? |
| 12:50.43 | Ch0Hag | liable: Is that intentional? |
| 12:50.55 | cope[dev] | your allowed 1 question in here user1_ and you just used it... sorry |
| 12:51.08 | Ch0Hag | I recall that earlier releases would allow you to edit it if desired. |
| 12:51.11 | user1_ | ok |
| 12:51.19 | loesh | !ask |
| 12:51.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:51.21 | tralala | !wb |
| 12:51.21 | dpkg | thanks, tralala. It's good to be back. |
| 12:51.33 | liable | Ch0Hag: you can install base and edit to your hearts contents |
| 12:51.34 | efaistos | abrotman: cant kill the process of Xorg ... |
| 12:51.50 | loesh | efaistos, kill -9 ? |
| 12:51.54 | efaistos | tried |
| 12:51.56 | efaistos | nope |
| 12:51.57 | loesh | O-o |
| 12:52.15 | jelly-home | efaistos: that card should be supported. If falling back to xserver-xorg from stable helps, send a bug report. Maybe someone in #debian-x on irc.debian.org would be willing to help too. |
| 12:52.19 | Ch0Hag | Bummer. |
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| 12:52.42 | jelly-home | efaistos: have you upgraded the kernel by any chance? |
| 12:52.46 | tralala | !wb |
| 12:52.46 | dpkg | thanks, tralala. It's good to be back. |
| 12:52.51 | efaistos | jelly-home: will try that also |
| 12:52.55 | efaistos | jelly-home: nope |
| 12:53.38 | jelly-home | efaistos: what about dri drivers (libgl1-mesa-dri)? |
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| 12:54.47 | efaistos | jelly-home: reinstalling them righ now |
| 12:54.47 | liable | tralala: how many times you plan on welcoming the bot back? |
| 12:54.58 | efaistos | 6.5.2-5 |
| 12:55.10 | efaistos | version of libgl1-mesa-dri |
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| 12:56.23 | test | is it just me or iceweasel wasnt compiled against CUPS?? |
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| 12:56.36 | tralala | liable, I'm through with it |
| 12:57.21 | tralala | test, why don't you explain what are you doing, what are the expected results and what are the actual ones? |
| 12:57.41 | jelly-home | efaistos: I don't see how reinstalling would help. Downgrading to versions from stable might, though. |
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| 12:59.03 | test | tralala, i slap you |
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| 12:59.44 | Ronin | ya thats helping test |
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| 13:00.22 | xand | !test |
| 13:00.22 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 13:00.29 | Ronin | indeed |
| 13:00.47 | abrotman | test: are you trying to print or configure printing ? |
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| 13:01.09 | test | i am trying firefox to popup username/pass dialog before printing to cups |
| 13:01.13 | test | like other cups aware programs do |
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| 13:02.33 | earthian | hello, i am looking for a tool that would fix my problem with NTFS partition: Warning: Partition 3 is 21.0GB, but the file system is 11.7GB. |
| 13:02.45 | earthian | can somebody suggest something? :x |
| 13:02.47 | ChloeD | mke2fs |
| 13:02.50 | ChloeD | :) |
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| 13:02.59 | nofxxx | Hi ... after you guys opnion... I formatted my server to remove webmin huauh.. so... gonna install now squid dansguardian .... any suggestions etc... im here |
| 13:03.34 | earthian | ChloeD, :/ i just dd'ed a 10gig ntfs partition with windoze there |
| 13:03.50 | dondelelcaro | earthian: you can either use ntfsresize or you can resize the partition; it's your choice. |
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| 13:04.20 | nofxxx | as for example.. squid or tinyproxy ? |
| 13:04.28 | earthian | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 13:04.52 | tralala | test, so what is the printer name that you see in the IW print dialog and what happens when you print? |
| 13:05.00 | cope[dev] | cyas |
| 13:06.11 | test | sorry |
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| 13:07.15 | efaistos_ | hi again |
| 13:07.25 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 13:07.25 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 13:07.29 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 13:07.53 | test | somebody calling moi? |
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| 13:08.05 | jetscreamer | the bot wants a piece of you |
| 13:08.17 | jetscreamer | he's calling you out |
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| 13:08.28 | tralala | *she* |
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| 13:08.55 | jetscreamer | too much of a potty mouth for a fem imo :) |
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| 13:09.09 | tralala | dpkg, gender |
| 13:09.09 | dpkg | I'm pregnant |
| 13:09.10 | mumbles | how to i use remote vnc to loginto a machene that i havent logged into ? |
| 13:09.30 | liable | erm |
| 13:09.30 | tralala | jetscreamer, it's due to the chormonal disbalance |
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| 13:10.08 | efaistos_ | jelly-home: just xserver and mesa pkgs to downgrade to stable ? |
| 13:10.39 | jetscreamer | 'just'? |
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| 13:11.05 | qudama | how's the script for install using dpkg? |
| 13:11.09 | mumbles | anyone know how to log into debian remotley ? |
| 13:11.19 | jetscreamer | qudama: dpkg -i ? |
| 13:11.20 | tralala | mumbles, using ssh |
| 13:11.23 | loesh | mumbles, use ssh |
| 13:11.31 | loesh | bah im slow! |
| 13:11.39 | jetscreamer | use putty from windows |
| 13:11.53 | qudama | jetscreamer: thank for ur info:) |
| 13:12.25 | jetscreamer | the script word threw me |
| 13:13.11 | jetscreamer | you hear about the land of Ur a lot... but who ever hears about Mu ? |
| 13:13.26 | jetscreamer | !mu |
| 13:13.26 | dpkg | When asked by a monk if a dog had Buddha Nature, Joshu said "Mu." |
| 13:13.39 | th1 | does anyone know how I can query apt to see what package provides a specific feature, eg. "apt-cache whatprovides mta" |
| 13:14.10 | Lynoure | jetscreamer: I have never heard of Ur before |
| 13:14.11 | th1 | in this case to see what MTA is installed.. |
| 13:14.17 | jetscreamer | !ur |
| 13:14.17 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 13:14.19 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: mu is also nothingness; neither yes nor no, but tabula rasa. |
| 13:14.19 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 13:14.32 | Lynoure | jetscreamer: Mu, however, reappears every couple of months, at least. |
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| 13:14.56 | tralala | th1, read the aptitude's manual |
| 13:15.13 | indraveni | in icedove-2.0.0.0 version of deb package, there is no desktop icon. why is it so |
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| 13:16.00 | jetscreamer | i meant this one btw, as seen on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu : Mu (lost continent), a mythical continent in the Pacific Ocean subsequently appearing in several books, films, and games |
| 13:16.01 | th1 | tralala, I have already but I can't find the command to search like this |
| 13:16.04 | gregj | http://dupa.privatepaste.com/30xmwlqxTt |
| 13:16.06 | gregj | any ideas ? |
| 13:16.19 | gregj | I got that while trying to apt-get dist-upgrade to newest stable :/ |
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| 13:16.22 | tralala | th1, not the man pager - the manual that comes with aptitude-doc |
| 13:16.37 | jetscreamer | gregj: try apt-get install dialog |
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| 13:16.58 | jetscreamer | you have to explicitly install the apt-documentation iirc |
| 13:17.02 | tralala | th1, http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s03.html |
| 13:17.48 | th1 | tralala, thanks.. |
| 13:17.56 | tralala | th1, you're welcome |
| 13:18.00 | qudama | jetscreamer: what's file format for using dpkg? deb or tar.gz |
| 13:18.07 | jetscreamer | deb |
| 13:18.27 | jetscreamer | if you mean what do you install with dpkg -i |
| 13:18.38 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i thisthingyhere.deb |
| 13:18.52 | jetscreamer | i wasn't using that liver anyway |
| 13:19.04 | dondelelcaro | thisthingyhere.deb is a new and improved liver |
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| 13:19.14 | th1 | tralala, it is very complex though. Isn't there an easier way to find out which installed package provides feature X? like dpkg or something? |
| 13:19.21 | Noborusan | anyone owns a router ? |
| 13:19.25 | jetscreamer | no |
| 13:19.27 | qudama | jetscreamer: thnx |
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| 13:19.32 | jetscreamer | routers own you |
| 13:19.35 | efaistos | abrotman: jelly-home downgraded and it works ... |
| 13:19.35 | roland_ | hi |
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| 13:19.43 | roland_ | how do i check how much video memory my video card has |
| 13:19.46 | roland_ | from command lien |
| 13:19.47 | roland_ | line |
| 13:19.53 | Noborusan | hi abrotman,can i ask a question ? |
| 13:20.08 | jetscreamer | you can leave that one blank if configging xorg, but you can cat something under /proc.... |
| 13:20.15 | tralala | th1, I find the aptitude search fairly easy |
| 13:20.36 | tralala | I own all your routers!!! |
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| 13:21.30 | th1 | tralala, I found it :) "aptitude search -D provides: mta" |
| 13:21.38 | cydork | roland_: you can check that with lshw |
| 13:22.47 | tralala | th1, you surely mean ~Dprovides:mta or even ~Pmta |
| 13:23.05 | roland_ | can anyone tell me if i look ok ? as a person.. http://rolandguy.hi5.com |
| 13:23.09 | roland_ | sorry for OT |
| 13:23.12 | gregj | jetscreamer: this would do: |
| 13:23.13 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 13:23.21 | tralala | and if you're talking about installed only packages it's ~i~Pmta |
| 13:23.50 | roland_ | and if i have a penguin face |
| 13:23.54 | gregj | jetscreamer: http://dupa.privatepaste.com/9ea5pKUzir |
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| 13:23.58 | th1 | tralala, no that doesn't work.. |
| 13:24.03 | gregj | jetscreamer: which is completly out of order |
| 13:24.11 | tralala | th1, which one? |
| 13:24.18 | th1 | both :) |
| 13:24.27 | jetscreamer | roland_: this looks like a booger hanging out your nose... http://photos.hi5.com/0004/784/746/8fkRmw784746-02.jpg |
| 13:24.39 | jetscreamer | well clear snot |
| 13:24.51 | tralala | th1, it surely works here |
| 13:25.10 | jetscreamer | roland_: j/k |
| 13:25.17 | roland_ | sorry, my english is bad, whats a bogger |
| 13:25.23 | roland_ | why is it hanging off my nose |
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| 13:25.33 | jetscreamer | that brown stuff you pull out of your nose and eat |
| 13:25.36 | jetscreamer | ... |
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| 13:25.43 | liable | you eat! |
| 13:25.43 | jetscreamer | j/k means just kidding btw |
| 13:25.45 | abrotman | Noborusan: hi |
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| 13:25.53 | roland_ | oh |
| 13:25.54 | olskolirc | how do i get the icons back on my menu and program menu bars? |
| 13:25.59 | roland_ | i though i was looking retarded |
| 13:26.01 | olskolirc | when i click the K program button, there is not icons on my menus |
| 13:26.04 | roland_ | like a obsessed penguin |
| 13:26.20 | th1 | tralala, it works now when I changed mta to mail-transport-agent.. I thought it was -D and not ~D but my command line worked too although I am not sure why |
| 13:26.30 | bonii | When I do arch it shows me i686 but I have got linux kernel 2.6.18-4-686 do I install the linux image 2.6.18-4-xen-686. What is the diff between the 2 ?? |
| 13:26.36 | th1 | I need better glasses to tell the difference between ~ and - ;) |
| 13:26.38 | Noborusan | abrotman, my question is answered in another channel,thanks anyway :D |
| 13:26.45 | jetscreamer | roland_: you shouldn't waste time worrying about what other ppl think you look like, you can't change it w/o major surgery |
| 13:26.49 | abrotman | Noborusan: glad i could help :) |
| 13:26.56 | jetscreamer | hth :) |
| 13:26.58 | bonii | I have got intel centrino processor its an itel pentium m processor 1.73 ghz |
| 13:27.03 | h3sp4wn | bonii: If you don't want to use xen there is no sense in running the xen kernel |
| 13:27.40 | h3sp4wn | bonii: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen (or whatever) |
| 13:27.59 | Noborusan | abrotman, here goes my another question |
| 13:28.00 | mrsn0 | bonii you are using the correct kernel for your cpu, what the -xen kernel is is for virtualisation |
| 13:28.11 | jetscreamer | xen is for xen |
| 13:28.13 | roland_ | jetscreamer so i do look wrong ? |
| 13:28.19 | roland_ | i require emurgency plastic surgery? |
| 13:28.27 | jetscreamer | i686 means intel proc in this case |
| 13:28.35 | jetscreamer | roland_: no don't get a complex |
| 13:28.41 | illo | roland yes, go have one quick. |
| 13:28.43 | bonii | h3sp4wn: I am facing problem with the battery as its not showing the battery time. It shows unknown time so was pondering what to do about it? |
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| 13:28.53 | Noborusan | abrotman, i just subscribed broadband ,i have a server and a pc,i plan to share internet in the meantime the server provides internet services to the rest of world <just some services though> |
| 13:29.00 | roland_ | jetscreamer you look better? |
| 13:29.10 | jetscreamer | roland_: no i'm very ugly |
| 13:29.25 | liable | hehe |
| 13:29.26 | h3sp4wn | bonii: No idea - are you using xen or not |
| 13:29.35 | jelly-home | roland_: nip/tuck is NOT a debian package |
| 13:29.43 | jetscreamer | roland_: you use debian, that makes you better than THEM |
| 13:29.45 | tralala | roland_, if you care what irc thinks about your looks you probably need an urgent shrink visit |
| 13:30.07 | bonii | h3sp4wn: No I am not using xen now. |
| 13:30.09 | roland_ | tralala, i care ... i knnow i need a shrink..\ |
| 13:30.13 | Noborusan | abrotman, in this matter,which one is better that 1. connects internet directly to the ethernet card on the server then configure stuff to make internet sharing with my pc ,or, 2. buy a hardware firewall which does routering too,and connects server and pc to it ? |
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| 13:30.15 | liable | !comfort roland_ |
| 13:30.15 | dpkg | There, there, roland_. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 13:30.36 | ChloeD | being comforted by dpkg. Delightful. |
| 13:30.38 | h3sp4wn | bonii: Just use 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 13:31.00 | bonii | h3sp4wn: I installed Etch yesterday. I sorted out the wirless problem by getting the firmware but now this problem with battery is niggling. Any suggestions what should I do? |
| 13:31.40 | jelly-home | !google define:to niggle |
| 13:31.57 | h3sp4wn | !tell bonii about laptop |
| 13:32.13 | h3sp4wn | bonii: Is it a particularly new laptop |
| 13:32.50 | bonii | h3sp4wn: No its a year old Its Acer Aspire 1641 NWLMI. I used Ubuntu Dapper earlier and had no probs as such |
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| 13:33.35 | h3sp4wn | bonii: You problably can get it to work (I don't know specifics though) |
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| 13:33.52 | bonii | h3sp4wn: I checked /proc/acpi/battery. It shows battery as BAT1 and not BAT0 as earlier in Ubuntu and shows both info and state files but the battery applet doesn't show the time remaining or charge |
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| 13:35.06 | h3sp4wn | No idea try reconfiguring the battery applet to use BAT1 (If this is gnome I really have no clue about it) |
| 13:35.20 | abrotman | Noborusan: i'd put a firewall there |
| 13:35.47 | wols | jelly-home: slumming. best comedy ever |
| 13:35.49 | roland_ | jetscreamer , am i fat ? |
| 13:35.58 | Noborusan | abrotman, in this way, would it loses some performance compare connecting to the server ethernet card directly ? |
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| 13:36.10 | abrotman | not that you'll notice |
| 13:36.17 | bonii | h3sp4wn: Yes its GNOME |
| 13:36.19 | Noborusan | I see. |
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| 13:36.57 | jelly-home | wols: I strongly suspect a director named Glawogger cannot a bad movie make. |
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| 13:38.29 | mozd | the following cve's are for clamav (CVE-2007-2650 CVE-2007-3023 CVE-2007-3024 CVE-2007-3122 CVE-2007-3123) is there any way to track if these are already being worked on or known to the debian developers (debian-security mailing list doesnt mention anything about them) |
| 13:38.41 | wols | jelly-home: I agree. now go and change you nick to something beginning with sometheng else than "je" |
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| 13:39.28 | bullgard4 | lspci -vv prints: "0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRIV (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)." Where is explained what domain=0000 means? |
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| 13:40.01 | wols | domain is only relevant with more than one pci bus. especially with eternal PCI stuff |
| 13:40.03 | jetscreamer | bullgard4: that's the pci bus i think |
| 13:40.06 | jetscreamer | ah nm |
| 13:40.10 | wols | bullgard4: why do you care? |
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| 13:40.37 | endra | hey |
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| 13:40.44 | wols | bullgard4: besides: #ubuntu is over thoere -> |
| 13:40.46 | endra | say I want to have my pc play some music at a certain time, how could I do that? |
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| 13:41.33 | bullgard4 | wols: I do care because there are other programs that designate devices differently and I cannot establish an transformation or mapping from one device name to the other. |
| 13:42.42 | bullgard4 | jetscreamer: You are wrong. The PCI bus is designeted in the example I have given as '00'. |
| 13:43.03 | bullgard4 | designated |
| 13:43.23 | Ch0Hag | Can I tell the debian installer to ignore a bad signature (or, better, just not to bother checking) without going through the otherwise-unnecessary process of creating a custom cd? |
| 13:43.36 | bullgard4 | wols: What is #eternal PCI'? |
| 13:43.40 | jetscreamer | what am i wrong about |
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| 13:43.56 | jetscreamer | lets see what i said |
| 13:44.14 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.17 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 13:44.23 | jetscreamer | i see. i'm wrong. |
| 13:44.25 | yang | Which tool can be used for system performance checks? |
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| 13:45.22 | bullgard4 | yang: For example, hdparm -tT |
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| 13:45.51 | yang | bullgard4: Those checks which are spec 95 or something? |
| 13:46.19 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 13:46.19 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 13:46.21 | bullgard4 | yang: I donot understand your question. Say it in other words. |
| 13:46.37 | yang | bullgard4: there are some test in spec 95 forms or something |
| 13:46.39 | wols | !topicsmite bullgard4 |
| 13:46.39 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon bullgard4. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 13:46.47 | roland_ | omg 'ubuntu' word again.. argghhh. the pain!! |
| 13:47.03 | jetscreamer | ubuntu doesn't seem all that bad |
| 13:47.08 | jetscreamer | once you debianize it |
| 13:47.17 | roland_ | windows 95 is superiour to ubuntu's reliability |
| 13:47.23 | jelly-home | bullgard4: which architecture/version of lspci are you using? I can't get lspci on i386 to display this domain thingy. |
| 13:47.25 | petemc | urgh |
| 13:47.29 | jetscreamer | seems stable as a rock |
| 13:47.31 | petemc | roland_: thats bunkum |
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| 13:47.36 | petemc | but off topic for this channel anyway |
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| 13:47.41 | loesh | jetscreamer, abit like running windows and only using cygwin? |
| 13:47.46 | jetscreamer | seems just like my sid install somehow... |
| 13:47.57 | jetscreamer | oh wait, it is basically sid... |
| 13:47.59 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 13:48.03 | jetscreamer | blame the admin |
| 13:48.09 | jetscreamer | that's what i would do |
| 13:48.30 | user1_ | how do i set timeout in lilo menu |
| 13:48.36 | Absolute0 | when i am playing a game in X and swtich to one of the virtual terminals X loses control of the mouse and the game exits, anyway i can fix that? |
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| 13:48.50 | Absolute0 | is it because gpm borks up the session? |
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| 13:48.59 | jetscreamer | user1_: i forget, but you know you have to run lilo after changing lilo.conf eh |
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| 13:49.04 | jetscreamer | /etc/lilo.conf |
| 13:49.06 | jonny_ | Hello |
| 13:49.10 | jetscreamer | the timeout is in there |
| 13:49.14 | jetscreamer | and commented well |
| 13:49.16 | jonny_ | Can Anyone tell me where i can get ipw2200 firmware please?=D |
| 13:49.24 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 13:49.24 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 13:49.27 | jetscreamer | in there |
| 13:49.33 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 13:49.34 | wols | a1!ipw2200 |
| 13:49.37 | jelly-home | !tell jonny_ -about ipw2200 |
| 13:49.38 | wols | !ipw2200 |
| 13:49.38 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build> |
| 13:49.46 | jonny_ | Thanks ;p |
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| 13:50.27 | wfq | hi |
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| 13:50.51 | omri | is phpize available on debian etch? |
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| 13:51.07 | Absolute0 | anyone? |
| 13:51.09 | wols | !tell omri about search |
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| 13:51.31 | abrotman | Absolute0: with al games ? |
| 13:51.54 | omri | wols, apt-cache won't find it. also, there's a bug report about this |
| 13:52.11 | redduck666 | omri: read again what bot wrote. |
| 13:52.20 | redduck666 | it showed you how to use apt-file. |
| 13:52.31 | Absolute0 | abrotman: only full screen ones |
| 13:52.37 | omri | found it. thanks |
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| 13:52.40 | abrotman | and ones that use GL ? |
| 13:52.41 | Absolute0 | abrotman: you think gpm has anything to do with it? |
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| 13:52.45 | Absolute0 | abrotman: yes |
| 13:52.59 | omri | btw, pear should depend on php-dev |
| 13:53.18 | abrotman | Absolute0: nvidia or fglrx ? |
| 13:53.26 | abrotman | omri: file a bug |
| 13:53.43 | Absolute0 | abrotman: nvidia |
| 13:53.55 | abrotman | i'd wager it has more to do with the binary driver |
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| 13:54.08 | mozd | where can i ask security related questions regarding debian? |
| 13:54.10 | jonny_ | i used too have a problem with nvidia running games... |
| 13:54.11 | Absolute0 | maybe i need to disable dri in xorg.conf? |
| 13:54.15 | jonny_ | some OpenGL Error |
| 13:54.19 | Absolute0 | thats what i had to do in archlinux... |
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| 13:54.33 | abrotman | if you disable dri .. what's the point of using the nvidia binary driver |
| 13:54.34 | jetscreamer | you do not want dri with nvidia |
| 13:54.40 | Absolute0 | exactly |
| 13:54.56 | Absolute0 | does the debian nvidia installation take care of that? |
| 13:55.02 | h3sp4wn | you use glx instead - but if you are particularly lazy you can just install nvidia-xconfig and run it |
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| 13:55.50 | jetscreamer | you sometimes need to reinstall the nvidia driver even though the debian package supposedly eliminates that... reduces is more like it imo though |
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| 13:56.17 | jetscreamer | you have to explicitly install nvidia-glx also... |
| 13:56.22 | jetscreamer | try running glxinfo |
| 13:56.26 | abrotman | see .. drivers are confusing |
| 13:56.47 | Absolute0 | oh ok... |
| 13:56.51 | jetscreamer | however, nvidia 'just works' unless there's pebkac in the system |
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| 13:57.10 | jetscreamer | i had some of that in there once |
| 13:57.14 | rahul | !be a driver barbie |
| 13:57.15 | dpkg | Aww, driver is HARD! Let's go shopping, rahul |
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| 13:58.57 | savetheWorld | Ah - hmm - where do you define your FQDN on a debian system? |
| 13:58.58 | Absolute0 | jetscreamer: nvidia-glx is installed but glxinfo wont work |
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| 13:59.41 | Strogg | Is there a way to find out if your motherboard supports ACPI thermal reporting? I can't seem to get it to work... my /proc/acpi/thermal_zone is empty |
| 13:59.47 | jetscreamer | Absolute0: reinstall the driver |
| 13:59.50 | Absolute0 | ok |
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| 13:59.54 | Absolute0 | but why? |
| 14:00.15 | jetscreamer | Absolute0: that's just what you have to do sometimes, after updates/upgrades |
| 14:00.26 | Strogg | this is on deiban stable, by the way, though really, a hint in the right direction for any version would be appreciated. |
| 14:00.32 | jetscreamer | sometimes, when using m-a a-i, you don't |
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| 14:00.57 | abrotman | Strogg: did you try the acpi website ? |
| 14:01.09 | jetscreamer | Strogg: iirc in dmesg mine says 'thermal zones not supported' |
| 14:01.17 | jetscreamer | try dmesg | less |
| 14:01.19 | jonny_ | i have put all my wireless firmware into /lib/firmware/ im new to debian, i was wandering if i had to do something for wireless to take effect? |
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| 14:01.48 | test | anyway to make fontconfig antialias based on encoding charset? |
| 14:01.49 | jetscreamer | or dmesg | grep thermal |
| 14:02.21 | jelly-home | jonny_: restart or just modprobe ipw2200 should make the device show up in ifconfig and iwconfig |
| 14:02.48 | Strogg | jetscreamer: Hrmm.. it says CPU0: Thermal monitoring enabled |
| 14:02.55 | Absolute0 | jetscreamer: how do i reinstall something? apt-get install nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) just says <pkg> is already the newest version... |
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| 14:02.59 | jelly-home | jonny_: and then you have to configure the wireless bits, which is a whole different pain |
| 14:03.21 | jetscreamer | apt-get install --reinstall |
| 14:03.37 | rahul | aptitude reinstall |
| 14:03.39 | jetscreamer | Absolute0: i meant you need to reinstall the kernel portion of the driver though |
| 14:03.43 | Strogg | Hrmm.. says that for CPU0-3 actually. Hrmm.. |
| 14:03.52 | jetscreamer | m-a a-i -f nvidia |
| 14:03.54 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 14:04.01 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 14:04.06 | Absolute0 | i didnt install it that way.. |
| 14:04.11 | jetscreamer | how did you |
| 14:04.26 | jonny_ | Jelly-Home, i had debian on here last week, but had to reinstall cos of a gay friend, but last time i only remember putting the ipw2200 firmware in the folder and it coming on |
| 14:04.38 | jonny_ | i done modprobe and nothing is coming up |
| 14:04.47 | Absolute0 | jetscreamer: the dpkg one liner command for nvidia |
| 14:05.03 | jetscreamer | hey i forgot to add --initrd to my make-kpkg command... how do i roll the initrd for this kernel? |
| 14:05.06 | Absolute0 | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) ...... |
| 14:05.24 | jetscreamer | Absolute0: ok then --reinstall that one i guess |
| 14:05.28 | redduck666 | jetscreamer: update-initramfs |
| 14:05.30 | jonny_ | ill try rebooting |
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| 14:05.44 | jetscreamer | redduck666: thanks... |
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| 14:06.45 | bonii | I tried to install acer_acpi as listed in the instructions but when try modprobe acer_acpi it gives me error inserting the module |
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| 14:06.50 | bonii | FATAL: Error inserting acer_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/extra/acer_acpi.ko): No such device |
| 14:07.17 | simonrvn | mybe something elseis usign the device |
| 14:07.25 | stew | bonii: "no such device" generally means that the driver was unable to locate any supported hardware devices |
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| 14:07.29 | simonrvn | pardon the horrible typos |
| 14:07.47 | simonrvn | could be what stew said too |
| 14:08.26 | bonii | stew: But then thats what is suggested I should do. I have added acer_acpi in /etc/modules too |
| 14:08.29 | jetscreamer | i've never seen an acer module in there |
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| 14:08.40 | jetscreamer | did you like compile it yourself? |
| 14:08.55 | simonrvn | it's in an extra dir too |
| 14:08.56 | bonii | jetscreamer: Yes I compiled it myself. |
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| 14:08.59 | stew | bonii: i dont' know. are you sure that you have hardware that should be supported by this module? |
| 14:09.00 | jetscreamer | ah ok nm |
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| 14:09.20 | zombor | does anyone here have zenoss running? Im having a problem getting it to work, and they told me to come ask here. I get this error: http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5103 |
| 14:09.21 | jetscreamer | are you sure it's named acer_acpi |
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| 14:10.07 | _wfq | i have fell down so i don't know if someone answered me |
| 14:10.12 | bonii | stew: Yes the required stuff for acer like hotkeys and wifi work because of this module. Actually my battery is experiencing problems and it shows unknown time in the GNOME battery applet |
| 14:10.25 | bonii | It shows in /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1 |
| 14:10.36 | bonii | with necessary info and state pages |
| 14:10.52 | bonii | but I do not know why this problem is there with battery |
| 14:11.27 | stew | bonii: ok, so perhaps simonrvn is on the right track, that some other acpi module is already controlling that hardware, preventing the acer specific module from doing it |
| 14:11.47 | bonii | jetscreamer: Yes I checked in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/extra/acer_acpi.ko |
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| 14:12.08 | bonii | stew: So what do I do? |
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| 14:12.26 | jetscreamer | lsmod ? |
| 14:12.32 | gbw | hello, if i have a pre compiled binary, can i know which library it is using? i meant with which library was it compiled |
| 14:12.42 | stew | bonii: i'd try to unload any acpi specific modules that are already loaded, then load asus_acpi |
| 14:12.46 | bonii | stew: The problem with battery is that I cannot check the time left |
| 14:12.55 | bonii | lsmod shows the battery |
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| 14:13.09 | bonii | jetscreamer: Do I show you the lsmod output?? |
| 14:13.25 | stew | bonii: oh but hmm, if you have rebooted with asus_acpi as the only acpi related module in /etc/modules, then it should have been loaded first |
| 14:14.01 | bonii | stew: Before that line there is line loop in the file |
| 14:14.12 | jetscreamer | bonii: i was just suggesting that you look and see if other acpi is loaded that conflicts |
| 14:14.30 | stew | bonii: loop is not related |
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| 14:14.47 | Absolute0 | can someone please paste their /etc/gpm.conf file? |
| 14:14.48 | Strogg | oooh. I just found pmtools |
| 14:14.54 | Absolute0 | i deleted mine and i can't regenerate it |
| 14:14.55 | Absolute0 | :( |
| 14:15.04 | wols | !confmiss |
| 14:15.05 | jetscreamer | bonii: do whatever stew or simonrvn says because they know more than i do :) |
| 14:15.05 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 14:15.22 | wols | Absolute0: or dpkg-reconfiugre gpm. dunno which |
| 14:15.46 | Absolute0 | wols: ye that wont work.. |
| 14:16.13 | Strogg | bloody hell. |
| 14:16.36 | Absolute0 | 'gpm is broken or not fully installed' |
| 14:16.42 | simonrvn | lsmod | grep acpi; modprobe -r whatever popped up; modprobe acer_acpi |
| 14:16.46 | Absolute0 | and i just ran 'apt-get install gpm' |
| 14:16.48 | jetscreamer | pristine sanitary hell |
| 14:17.18 | jetscreamer | apt-get -f install Absolute0 |
| 14:18.19 | jetscreamer | you might have to do the dpkg --configure -a or whatever it was |
| 14:18.20 | bonii | simonrvn: I tried lsmod | grep acpi and lsmod | grep acer both give no error |
| 14:18.41 | jetscreamer | does lsmod | grep acpi return anything though |
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| 14:19.16 | bonii | simonrvn: Sorry it gives no output |
| 14:19.25 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 14:20.59 | simonrvn | so it's likely the wrong module |
| 14:21.04 | bonii | simonrvn: The battery not being notified in the applet is a huge trouble. It lists in spurts of 0% then after sometime 50% and then 100% and when discharging it goes to 0% and does not list anything |
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| 14:21.28 | bonii | jetscreamer: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 14:21.48 | jetscreamer | sorry, had to wonder... :) |
| 14:21.53 | Absolute0 | synaptic ftw! |
| 14:21.54 | Absolute0 | :-P |
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| 14:22.06 | Absolute0 | "remove completly" did the trick in synaptic... |
| 14:22.10 | Absolute0 | and then reinstalled it |
| 14:22.17 | jetscreamer | see also --purge |
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| 14:22.59 | Absolute0 | brb |
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| 14:27.25 | cast | Romeo is spamming onjoin. |
| 14:27.49 | simonrvn | !ops Romeo is onjoin spammer |
| 14:27.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: Romeo is onjoin spammer |
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| 14:28.18 | jetscreamer | now there's a list that needs updating |
| 14:28.19 | simonrvn | yeh, spam bot |
| 14:28.28 | nofxxx | yeaaa.... ty guys for showing me the light!! now without webmin everythin is working FLAWLESSLY |
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| 14:28.34 | abrotman | jetscreamer: they're still ops .. whether or not they're ever here is another matter |
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| 14:29.07 | nofxxx | jsut one thing... please hold the stones!... there are some kind of file manager.. that I can see thu the web browser.... or better yet... how do you guys copy files from and to a server |
| 14:29.21 | nofxxx | only ssh here so far |
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| 14:29.35 | Ind[y] | I first had roaming mode. It found networks. I changed to Manual settings. It didn't work. So, I changed back to roaming mode, but now it doesn't find any networks. Please, help me. |
| 14:29.37 | simonrvn | it's called ssh. learn to use command line ;) |
| 14:29.44 | jetscreamer | sshfs, wget, ftp, other |
| 14:29.54 | abrotman | nofxxx: scp |
| 14:30.00 | jetscreamer | scp |
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| 14:30.07 | rahul | rcp! |
| 14:30.15 | jetscreamer | floppies |
| 14:30.24 | rahul | casettes |
| 14:30.28 | rahul | paper |
| 14:30.33 | jetscreamer | paper tape |
| 14:30.34 | cast | usb2ethernet adaptors |
| 14:30.35 | RichiH | simonrvn: thanks |
| 14:31.38 | stew | (and cast, thanks) |
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| 14:32.19 | gregj | my problem looks like: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338587 |
| 14:32.25 | rahul | IP over penix |
| 14:32.28 | gregj | anyone has any idea how to resolve t ? |
| 14:32.37 | gregj | this one isn't closed |
| 14:32.42 | Ind[y] | First, I had Roaming Mode, and it found wireless networks. I changed to Manual Settings, but it didn't work, so I decided to change back to Roaming Mode. Now it doesn't find any wireless networks. I think this is insane. |
| 14:32.42 | gregj | but I can't post to it |
| 14:32.47 | cast | rahul: ha! if you go its 1, if you don't go its a 0. |
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| 14:32.51 | gregj | jetscreamer: it is |
| 14:33.02 | gregj | jetscreamer: well, actually I don't know |
| 14:33.07 | gregj | jetscreamer: I only get it with postfix install |
| 14:33.13 | gregj | jetscreamer: everything else works like a charm |
| 14:33.24 | jetscreamer | gregj: did you try apt-get install dialog? |
| 14:33.26 | gregj | so I have 80 users server now, without smtp |
| 14:33.37 | gregj | jetscreamer: yes, I downladed deb, and reinstalled it |
| 14:33.40 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 14:33.44 | jetscreamer | hmm |
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| 14:33.57 | gregj | the file Can't locate Debconf/Element/Dialog.pm |
| 14:34.01 | gregj | just doesn't exists |
| 14:34.06 | gregj | Dialog is a dir |
| 14:34.13 | gregj | something is fscked there |
| 14:34.27 | gregj | it is a relief tho, that it happend to somebody else too |
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| 14:34.50 | jm|work | . o O ( cpan? ) |
| 14:34.59 | gregj | perhaps |
| 14:35.00 | wols | gregj: old debconf vresion? |
| 14:35.10 | gregj | this is the newest one in etch |
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| 14:35.25 | gregj | debconf_1.5.11_all.deb |
| 14:35.26 | nofxxx | abrotman, ty .. gonna look for it |
| 14:35.38 | rahul | gregj: with the postfix in etch? |
| 14:35.46 | rahul | s/in/from |
| 14:35.53 | gregj | yup |
| 14:35.56 | Absolute0 | how do i get syntax highlighting in vim? |
| 14:35.58 | rahul | eek |
| 14:36.02 | wols | gregj: should probably be "Debconf/FrontEnd/Dialog.pm" |
| 14:36.10 | Absolute0 | in archlinux the dist version already did that... |
| 14:36.17 | rahul | gregj: are any of them from security updates? |
| 14:36.19 | jm|work | Absolute0: are you using vim or vim-tiny ? |
| 14:36.21 | jetscreamer | /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Dialog.pm |
| 14:36.23 | Absolute0 | vim |
| 14:36.25 | wols | gregj: also it would help what package exactly has this problem |
| 14:36.27 | jm|work | are you sure? |
| 14:36.30 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 14:36.32 | Absolute0 | how do i check? |
| 14:36.40 | gregj | postfix_2.3.8-2+b1_i386.deb |
| 14:36.41 | jm|work | dpkg -l vim |
| 14:36.41 | dpkg | No packages found matching vim |
| 14:36.53 | gregj | wols: postfix_2.3.8-2+b1_i386.deb |
| 14:37.04 | Absolute0 | nope i got it |
| 14:37.11 | jm|work | Absolute0: what version? |
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| 14:37.39 | Strogg | whoa.. acpidump has a lot of info. |
| 14:38.02 | gregj | wols: which is funny, because I can install exim4 just fine :> |
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| 14:38.09 | gregj | just don't have time to reconfigure everything here |
| 14:38.35 | Absolute0 | jm|work: debian installation comes with vim-tiny? |
| 14:38.42 | jm|work | Absolute0: I believe so |
| 14:38.47 | Absolute0 | why? |
| 14:38.50 | wols | gregj: what debconf vresion? |
| 14:38.54 | Absolute0 | thats stupid :( |
| 14:39.01 | jm|work | Absolute0: because the vim full runtime is huge? |
| 14:39.05 | Absolute0 | does debian mean anything? |
| 14:39.08 | rahul | vim is a monster |
| 14:39.14 | jm|work | Debbie + Ian ? |
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| 14:39.23 | Absolute0 | its only 23 megs... |
| 14:39.24 | stew | Absolute0: the guy that started debian is named Ian, and his wife is Deb |
| 14:39.26 | rahul | haha |
| 14:39.28 | gregj | wols: debconf_1.5.11_all.deb |
| 14:39.30 | jm|work | I often wonder that if it all falls apart that Ian will go mad with the constant reminder |
| 14:39.31 | Absolute0 | oh cool |
| 14:39.32 | rahul | and people say emacs is big |
| 14:39.33 | Absolute0 | and the logo? |
| 14:40.13 | jm|work | Absolute0: do you have syntax highlighting now? |
| 14:40.17 | Absolute0 | nope |
| 14:40.27 | Absolute0 | i think i need to remove vim-tiny |
| 14:40.31 | gregj | wols: http://dupa.privatepaste.com/4eVwmMpWMt |
| 14:40.33 | Absolute0 | to update the paths.. |
| 14:40.35 | wols | gregj: is this a upgrded etch install or a new one? |
| 14:40.38 | jm|work | apt-get usually removes it for you if you install vim |
| 14:40.40 | Absolute0 | its using the old one i believe |
| 14:40.46 | Absolute0 | ehh |
| 14:40.57 | Absolute0 | well no syntax highlighting.. |
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| 14:41.10 | gregj | wols: I am trying to upgrade to etch |
| 14:41.16 | jm|work | syntax on |
| 14:41.18 | HyperDevil | how can i burn a iso file via the command line? |
| 14:41.29 | Absolute0 | dpkg etch |
| 14:41.30 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 14:41.37 | cast | HyperDevil: with wodim or growisofs [dvd] |
| 14:41.43 | wols | gregj: how? |
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| 14:41.45 | HyperDevil | dpkg wodim |
| 14:41.45 | dpkg | methinks wodim is a DFSG compliant fork of cdrecord. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 14:42.01 | jm|work | Absolute0: start vim then :help syntax |
| 14:42.02 | gregj | wols: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:42.02 | HyperDevil | dpkg growisofs |
| 14:42.02 | dpkg | http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/, or in dvd+rw-tools and can burn DVD's. See wodim for burning DVD's to. |
| 14:42.09 | nathanv | hello hello, you folks have any recommendations for a lunisolar calendar (Chinese)? |
| 14:42.11 | stew | Absolute0: perhaps you need to type ":syn on" to enable syntax hilighting |
| 14:42.13 | wols | gregj: that is your mistake. read the release notes |
| 14:42.18 | wols | !tell gregj about sarge->etch |
| 14:42.23 | cast | oh, seems wodim works for dvds too :> |
| 14:42.42 | gregj | wols: I was doing it like that for ages :/ |
| 14:42.45 | Absolute0 | ehh |
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| 14:42.55 | sysfault | anyone happen to be running pida 0.5 on debian? |
| 14:42.57 | Absolute0 | let me try doing it with synaptic |
| 14:43.00 | wols | gregj: still no excuse not to read the release notes |
| 14:43.10 | wols | !tell sysfault about anyone |
| 14:43.28 | Zathras | hi. Does anyone know if the Debian Packages for MythTv (by Christian Marilat) support native LIRC or should be address through irexec ? |
| 14:43.55 | jetscreamer | if it uses mplayer then probably built in |
| 14:44.05 | stew | gregj: apt-get hasn't been supported for upgrading dists since potato->woody in 2002, since woody->sarge, aptitude has been the recommendation, and this time around, the recommended procudure is more complicated |
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| 14:44.32 | Absolute0 | jm|work: vim-tiny is still installed :-P |
| 14:44.35 | Absolute0 | as i predicted... |
| 14:44.42 | gregj | stew: it always wroked for me |
| 14:44.49 | rahul | gregj: the release notes cover this |
| 14:44.58 | hark | Absolute0: install vim-runtime |
| 14:45.09 | Absolute0 | its installed.. |
| 14:45.26 | Absolute0 | let me remove all vims on my system and do it from scratch.. |
| 14:45.27 | rahul | gregj: aptitude is preferred for all cases where it has the needed functionality, now |
| 14:45.51 | rahul | regardless of how much tarzeau claims I'm forging debian web pages |
| 14:45.53 | gregj | and also ,I have 'stable' in sources-list, not etch or sarge |
| 14:46.01 | HyperDevil | i already have a iso file on disk, and i want to burn that image on a dvd using commanline.. how do i do that? |
| 14:46.06 | rahul | gregj: that's not an issue |
| 14:46.16 | rahul | gregj: stable IS etch now |
| 14:46.17 | hark | Absolute0: then you should have it |
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| 14:47.06 | cast | HyperDevil: man growisofs || man wodim |
| 14:47.23 | HyperDevil | can i use cdrecord with dvd's? |
| 14:47.28 | rahul | HyperDevil: wodim |
| 14:47.58 | HyperDevil | cannot find wodim on sarge |
| 14:48.03 | nofxxx | where is the right place to put my iptables lines to run at boot? |
| 14:48.13 | nofxxx | maybe firehol? |
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| 14:49.55 | gregj | rahul: so what exactly should I do in aptitude now, how can I make it upgrade the thing ? |
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| 14:49.59 | cast | nofxxx: can you write what you want to do as a firehol rule? if not maybe stop using firehol and use shorewall [if that can] |
| 14:50.30 | rahul | gregj: easiest is to run the gui and let it figure out the way to install the preferred packages |
| 14:50.31 | gregj | aptitiude doesn't seem to even consider the fact that I have postgresql and mysql on hold... |
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| 14:50.50 | rahul | gregj: erm |
| 14:50.54 | gregj | :( |
| 14:50.59 | gregj | and i don't want to upgrade them |
| 14:51.02 | wiedenmann | whats the point of the env in "#!/usr/bin/env r" |
| 14:51.09 | rahul | you're using stable... you're trying to mix distros? |
| 14:51.17 | rahul | you can hit = on a package to hold it |
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| 14:52.13 | gregj | rahul: but I have it on hold, in dpkg --get-selections |
| 14:52.27 | gregj | rahul: why wont aptitude just honor that |
| 14:52.32 | rahul | that's for dselect |
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| 14:52.36 | wols | gregj: read the release notes. they are there for a reason |
| 14:52.40 | In[d]y | Ubuntu 7.04. I had it to Roaming Mode, and it found Wireless Networks and it connected to mine. Nice. I changed it to Manual Settings, but they didn't work. So, what's logical? To turn it back to Roaming Mode. I did so. What do we all expect? To find Wireless Networks and connect to mine. But what happened instead? It didn't find any Wireless Network. I would be really glad if someone could explain this. |
| 14:52.49 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 14:52.49 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
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| 14:54.22 | cydork | wiedenmann: to use ``littler'' ? |
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| 14:55.08 | dvs01 | hi |
| 14:55.30 | wols | wiedenmann: different distros could have the interpreter in different places |
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| 14:56.07 | fuchsto | How do i add network routes (as listed when calling 'route') at startup? |
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| 14:57.40 | rahul | fuchsto: 'up' lines in the interfaces file |
| 14:57.54 | dvs01 | the debian installer that boots from the cd.. what measurement system does it use? is a megabyte 1000000 bytes, or 1048576 bytes? |
| 14:58.01 | dvs01 | or anotherwords.. is it fdisk based or cfdisk based? |
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| 14:58.40 | zinx | dvs01: debian-installer? no |
| 14:58.48 | gregj | wols: so is the bottom line, don't use apt-get ? |
| 14:58.50 | dvs01 | no to what? |
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| 14:59.20 | zinx | and, i believe it uses 1024 rather than 1000 |
| 14:59.43 | rahul | gregj: unless you know aptitude can't do it |
| 14:59.59 | wols | gregj: I won't tell you what to do a 3rd time |
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| 15:00.38 | gregj | wols: I am reading the notes, that was just a question :) - like in general, for past upgrade |
| 15:01.07 | rahul | !aptitude |
| 15:01.07 | dpkg | [aptitude] "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
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| 15:01.47 | fuchsto | rahul: So i have to write a small script that adds routes, and name it in an 'up' line of an interface? |
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| 15:01.58 | gregj | rahul: ok, cheers |
| 15:02.06 | rahul | fuchsto: that works, yeah |
| 15:02.11 | mkl1525 | Hi, I'd like to use atop to monitor which process causes disk io traffic. but atop shows that I should install the "cnt" kernel patch - does anybody know where to get it? |
| 15:02.19 | rahul | fuchsto: fwiw, that's exactly what I do |
| 15:02.24 | fuchsto | rahul: Excellent :) Thanks! |
| 15:02.26 | mkl1525 | or any other tool that could show me disk io per process |
| 15:02.51 | pickcoder | fuchsto: don't forget to mirror them with -D rules for the 'down' function |
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| 15:03.12 | fuchsto | pickcoder: Mirror them? |
| 15:03.14 | pickcoder | or del if they are just routes |
| 15:03.29 | pickcoder | don't leave the routes in place if you take an interface down |
| 15:03.34 | pickcoder | use a 'down' script |
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| 15:03.58 | fuchsto | pickcoder, they are just routes. So i need an 'routes_up.sh' and 'routes_down.sh', i guess |
| 15:04.29 | pickcoder | fuchsto: better to remove them, especially if you are going to name devices in the routes |
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| 15:10.06 | gregj | so this is very confusing, apt-get should be removed, or just display some sort of information. I have two admins on the server, if one will not know about it - or forget about it, we're in trouble |
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| 15:10.37 | rahul | gregj: rtfm. |
| 15:10.52 | stew | gregj: wait, why are you in trouble? |
| 15:10.54 | rahul | seriously... it's documented. |
| 15:11.16 | tuxub | hi, how can i check what is the debian version installed on a machine? |
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| 15:11.28 | savetheWorld | cat /etc/issue? |
| 15:11.35 | wols | !version |
| 15:11.36 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 15:11.40 | rgsteele | Hm. Something seems fishy with the Debian Etch Postgresql. When I change the data_directory to be somewhere other than /var/lib/postgresql, it still looks there to start it up. But, when I try to stop the server, it bombs, thinking the processes are stale. |
| 15:11.52 | rgsteele | Says the pid is invalid. |
| 15:11.56 | savetheWorld | also cat /proc/version |
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| 15:12.09 | rgsteele | Seems like something is weird with /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1, or the files it includes. |
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| 15:14.23 | rgsteele | I guess I'll submit a bug report. |
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| 15:15.37 | techbee | rgsteele:how did u change the data_directory location by passing argument or what? |
| 15:15.52 | rgsteele | techbee: In the postgresql.conf |
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| 15:16.03 | rgsteele | Tried SIGHUP'ing the daemon too, just for good measure. |
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| 15:16.55 | pickcoder | rgsteele: is there an /etc/default/ file for postgres? |
| 15:17.05 | rgsteele | No |
| 15:17.09 | pickcoder | I don't have a box convenient with postgres |
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| 15:17.54 | rgsteele | The init script is calling the proper config file (-c config_file=/etc/postgresql/8.1/main/postgresql.conf), but the incorrect data_directory (-D /var/lib/postgresql/8.1/main) |
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| 15:18.06 | branstrom | I have a question regarding SSH login using pub/priv keys with PuTTY and pageant. Is it a bad idea to just generate one pair and then distribute the same public key to all the servers? |
| 15:18.30 | pickcoder | rgsteele: did you use ps and grep to look for pgsql workers? |
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| 15:18.36 | rgsteele | pickcoder: Yes |
| 15:18.52 | rgsteele | pickcoder: I killed all the workers, and cleared out the pid that's in /var/run |
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| 15:19.04 | rgsteele | pickcoder: SIGHUP'ed and everything. |
| 15:19.05 | wols | rgsteele: murderer! |
| 15:19.07 | pickcoder | rgsteele: run it under strace and follow it until it fails |
| 15:19.16 | wols | and a captialist pig too. killing workers! |
| 15:19.38 | cast | i know security fixes are allowed into stable, i presume normal bug fixes are as well? [would be silly otherwise, i know. just checking] |
| 15:19.41 | rgsteele | pickcoder: It doesn't fail. It just looks in the wrong spot for the data directory. It's like it completely disregards the config file directive. |
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| 15:19.51 | gregj | :d |
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| 15:20.02 | pickcoder | rgsteele: does it not produce error logs? |
| 15:20.04 | rgsteele | wols: They deserved it. They mutinied against the config file |
| 15:20.12 | helo | anyone know what is included with the debian-live-etch-i386-standard.img? |
| 15:20.19 | h3sp4wn | cast: Only above a certain severity |
| 15:20.23 | techbee | rgsteele: can you try to start postgresql from command line |
| 15:20.39 | n1nj4tux | hey what do you guys use for accesing the shell in xwindows |
| 15:20.48 | n1nj4tux | i don't really like konsole |
| 15:20.55 | wols | rgsteele: when the revolution of the working class comes, you know what will happen to you |
| 15:20.58 | Ronin | n1nj4tux: a term of course ;) |
| 15:20.58 | pickcoder | xterm |
| 15:21.06 | n1nj4tux | i see screen shots of cool stuff all the time |
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| 15:21.17 | rgsteele | pickcoder: 2007-06-19 11:20:10 EDT LOG: incomplete startup packet |
| 15:21.30 | helo | gnome-terminal is nice (but slow) |
| 15:21.55 | n1nj4tux | i guess gnome-terminal is what i'm using... |
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| 15:22.17 | n1nj4tux | i just see kooler stuff in screen shots all the time |
| 15:22.22 | helo | ctrl+shift+t opens new tabs, alt+N switches to tab N...\ |
| 15:22.35 | helo | i like to disable the scrollbar and menubar though |
| 15:22.49 | rgsteele | pickcoder: Also, when I do an '/etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1 stop', I get the same error: 2007-06-19 11:21:20 EDT LOG: incomplete startup packet |
| 15:22.54 | h3sp4wn | n1nj4tux: You mean transparancy ? |
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| 15:23.06 | a1ex` | does aptitude dist-upgrade install the latest kernel as well? |
| 15:23.14 | helo | i have a gnome-terminal open on each virtual desktop with a few tabs each... never run out of room to work :) |
| 15:23.36 | rgsteele | pickcoder: db1:~# /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1 stop |
| 15:23.37 | rgsteele | Stopping PostgreSQL 8.1 database server: main* Error: pid file is invalid, please manually kill the stale server process. failed! |
| 15:23.38 | stew | a1ex`: it does if and only if you have a kernel meta-pacakge such as linux-image-2.6 or linux-image-2.6-686 installed |
| 15:23.57 | a1ex` | k |
| 15:24.21 | stew | a1ex`: but note that that could also get you into the situation where aptitude is REMOVING the currently running kernel for the same reason, which you should never let it do |
| 15:24.35 | stew | (and you can prevent by putting the running kernel on hold, /msg dpkg hold ) |
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| 15:25.17 | n1nj4tux | yah |
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| 15:26.00 | rgsteele | So, it really seems like there is a bug in the Debian init scripts. |
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| 15:26.21 | h3sp4wn | Or you can make aptitude never automatically remove kernels using the "don't automatically remove packages matching this filter" part of the gui |
| 15:26.45 | simmerz | is there a way to echo something into crontab -e ? |
| 15:27.21 | redduck666 | simmerz: crontab -l | sed '$a\your new cront entry' | crontab - |
| 15:27.47 | simmerz | ah perfect thanks |
| 15:28.13 | aadil | hmm |
| 15:28.19 | simmerz | $a\ means add on a new line? |
| 15:28.21 | aadil | pretty radical example |
| 15:28.50 | redduck666 | simmerz: no, $ means 'do this one the last line' 'a\text' means 'append new line followed by text' |
| 15:28.58 | simmerz | ah right |
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| 15:29.02 | simmerz | thanks |
| 15:29.12 | rgsteele | techbee: Well, there is no pg_ctl |
| 15:29.14 | redduck666 | aadil: radical? |
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| 15:29.32 | rgsteele | techbee: It seems Debian maintainers have replaced it with pg_ctlcluster |
| 15:29.37 | aadil | redduck666, pretty too |
| 15:29.38 | aadil | :> |
| 15:29.44 | redduck666 | :) |
| 15:30.07 | rgsteele | Bah, ok - I'll just submit a bug report, this is obviously an init script problem. |
| 15:30.24 | aadil | command > log | crontab $log |
| 15:30.42 | aadil | or something of the like |
| 15:31.00 | tuxub | savetheWorld, txs!!! |
| 15:31.32 | redduck666 | aadil: i think it is: crontab -l > file; echo "new line" >> file; crontab file |
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| 15:32.56 | aadil | he said echo something into crontab -e, not echo crontab -l in to crontab -e |
| 15:32.59 | aadil | imho |
| 15:33.00 | savetheWorld | tuxub: np :) |
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| 15:41.22 | wiedenmann | if 'echo "print(2)"|R --vanilla' this works, can I transform that into a file f.R with "#!/usr/bin/R --slave --vanilla \n print(2)" because when I run this file ./t.R I get: "./t.R: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `2'" |
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| 15:42.36 | simmerz | aadil: gone for your method. thanks |
| 15:42.54 | simmerz | well yours and redduck666's put together |
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| 15:43.35 | misu | hi. if i install Xorg from source, the dependencies for xorg packages will be satisfied? |
| 15:43.41 | h3sp4wn | No |
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| 15:43.51 | h3sp4wn | !tell misu about equivs |
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| 15:43.56 | stew | misu: no. why would you want to install xorg from source? |
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| 15:44.12 | misu | stew: cause i'm having trouble with the fglrx driver and xorg |
| 15:44.21 | aadil | heh simmerz , oki |
| 15:44.23 | aadil | :> |
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| 15:44.34 | Yoques | ups |
| 15:44.38 | Yoques | :S |
| 15:44.47 | rgsteele | Welp, bug report submitted. Wonder how long that'll take. |
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| 15:45.00 | wols | misu: what debian branch? |
| 15:45.04 | misu | lenny |
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| 15:45.11 | wols | !btssmite misu |
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| 15:45.33 | jelly | wiedenmann: I don't think you can have more than one argument in #! line |
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| 15:45.53 | maxamillion | can i edit gdm configs like /etc/gdm/Init/Default by adding a file called Default.custom? ... i know that works with things like /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but i wasn't sure about gdm |
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| 15:50.08 | gregj | wols: thanks for all the answer, you helped me - I have to admit, I was to lazy to read release notes |
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| 15:50.52 | wols | gregj: I have to admit, I think I never read them myself :P |
| 15:51.02 | wols | but I didn't need to usually |
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| 15:51.50 | rahul | I usually don't use the relases :) |
| 15:52.11 | rahul | so I need to react to what's in the release notes before they're written :P |
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| 15:55.18 | Azar | hehe Debian Etch 21CD set $ 104.79 < I wonder what for are the .79 cents .. |
| 15:55.46 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 15:55.52 | jelly | Azar: dude. 4.99 * 21 |
| 15:56.11 | jelly | Azar: so, that's -21 cents rather than 79 |
| 15:57.43 | Azar | jelly: yeah... :) |
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| 15:58.35 | jelly | 4.99 per CD is quite a ripoff though, they should give discount for volume :-) |
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| 15:59.58 | jelly | Debian... and ruthless efficiency? Bwahaha. |
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| 16:00.19 | ben_goodger | hehe |
| 16:00.21 | gregj | wols: anyways, postfix doesn't install after aptiding my system either :( |
| 16:00.23 | gregj | same error |
| 16:00.55 | Azar | 75% of all listed debian cd/dvd vendors are still selling Sarge as the official stable release and Etch as the testing... |
| 16:01.18 | ben_goodger | idiots |
| 16:01.34 | Azar | which make me think they are selling the Etch images from 2006 |
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| 16:01.51 | ben_goodger | of course, many comparison people tend to compare etch and feisty, which is hardly fair |
| 16:01.52 | wols | gregj: try something like grep -r "dupa.privatepaste.com/4eVwmMpWMt |
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| 16:02.02 | wols | gregj: try something like grep -r "Debconf::Element::Dialog" /* |
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| 16:02.49 | Azar | another one.. selling Debian4.0+ubuntu you want it or not.. |
| 16:03.14 | wols | gregj: and if you found it check which package owns that file |
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| 16:04.18 | roland | hi |
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| 16:04.59 | gregj | wols: this will take ages |
| 16:05.19 | gregj | wols: /usr/* version is more aceptable |
| 16:06.05 | Thms | !paste |
| 16:06.05 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 16:06.18 | ben_goodger | thanks for that, Thms |
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| 16:07.48 | h3sp4wn | ben_goodger: It doesn't seem to unfair to me there was not a huge difference in the release dates. (What is unfair is the stupid things reviewers find inportant (how easy it is to get non-free codecs and drivers and that crap) |
| 16:08.16 | ben_goodger | well, that is quite important |
| 16:08.32 | wols | h3sp4wn: 99% of all OS reviews only care about installing. that's imply stupid |
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| 16:09.08 | ben_goodger | I, for instance, am tremendously pissed off because nvidia-glx does not work for no apparent reason. arch linux, while being a piece of crap in other areas, does not do this, and it's very very easy to install things I need |
| 16:09.36 | ben_goodger | part of ubuntu's massive popularity is its users' ability to install required 3d drivers easily |
| 16:10.21 | h3sp4wn | wols: definately (Only necessary to install debian once (excluding hardware failure etc (and not doing full backups) |
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| 16:11.12 | stoned | zgood morning |
| 16:11.13 | simmerz | does dpkg --set-selections have to be used in conjunction with apt-get dselect-upgrade ? |
| 16:11.45 | stoned | wols: its a big part |
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| 16:12.11 | stoned | if you can't isntall the softwares, you can't use them. |
| 16:12.13 | rdz | yo, i have a problem with a tar.gz file on debian etch (which is using tar 1.16). when i extract it, i get: tar: Pd-0.40-2.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/AppMain.tcl: Cannot unlink: Permission denied |
| 16:12.13 | rdz | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 16:12.45 | rdz | but when i extract it on ubuntu dapper (tar 1.15) i don't get any errors. is there some way to downgrade tar? |
| 16:12.52 | ben_goodger | however, Linux Format recently said that debian works on 2 platforms while ubuntu supported 12 |
| 16:13.07 | xand | erm |
| 16:13.11 | stoned | ben_goodger: they are talking out of their metaphorical ass |
| 16:13.17 | ben_goodger | yes, I know |
| 16:13.17 | xand | think that might be the wrong way round ;) |
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| 16:13.49 | ben_goodger | still, is anyone here able to explain why lenny currently has a mix of gnomes 2.14, 2.16 and 2.18, and that the upgrade to 2.18 is monumentally slow (weeks so far)? |
| 16:13.57 | cast | rdz: do you think getting a permission denied is a tar bug? or that you don't have enough permissions? |
| 16:14.28 | rdz | cast, i have the very same permissions on both machinges, but it works on one and not on the other |
| 16:14.35 | rdz | i can't explain why is that |
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| 16:14.45 | rdz | cast, the file is: http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Software/pd-0.40-2.mac10.3.tar.gz |
| 16:14.52 | cast | i shall try |
| 16:15.15 | rdz | you don't shall, but if you have time, i'd be happy |
| 16:15.26 | h3sp4wn | ben_goodger: Can only pass from sid -> etch after 10 days and no release critical bugs (also the gnome maintainer is employed by canocial and its in there best interests to keep ubuntu more upto date) |
| 16:15.31 | xand | "don't shall"? |
| 16:15.41 | rdz | xand, sorry for my english |
| 16:15.43 | h3sp4wn | ben_goodger: *sid -> lenny |
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| 16:15.54 | rdz | xand, english is not my native language |
| 16:16.08 | xand | rdz: it untars fine for me |
| 16:16.20 | rdz | xand, what should i try? |
| 16:16.22 | cast | i get the same error, hmmm |
| 16:16.26 | rdz | aha |
| 16:16.33 | rdz | what version of tar are you guys using? |
| 16:16.40 | ben_goodger | h3sp4wn: 10 days I know about. two months I don't... it cannot take all this time to package GNOME + 10 days |
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| 16:16.58 | cast | 1.16-2, amd64 |
| 16:17.01 | xand | oh |
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| 16:17.22 | h3sp4wn | ben_goodger: Won't pass down until the bugs are fixed (ubuntu cares not for such things) |
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| 16:17.43 | xand | 1.16 does not work, 1.16.1 does work |
| 16:17.49 | ben_goodger | and it seems stupid to have only one maintainer for such a large package, particularly one owned by canonical |
| 16:17.50 | rdz | xand, so it is related to the version of tar... right? |
| 16:17.56 | xand | rdz: I would say so |
| 16:18.14 | rdz | xand, ok. thank you for helping me to find tis out |
| 16:18.19 | ben_goodger | I'm not sure whether the situation changed very recently, but I looked last week and sid was running 2.14 |
| 16:18.19 | xand | hm |
| 16:18.22 | rdz | also thank you, cast |
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| 16:18.30 | xand | I can't remove the files manually either ;) |
| 16:18.42 | h3sp4wn | ben_goodger: sid has most of 2.6.18 (all ?) dunno I don't use gnome |
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| 16:18.46 | ben_goodger | ah, I see that it has |
| 16:18.47 | branstrom | Man, I will never get the chmod syntax into my head. |
| 16:19.02 | ben_goodger | branstrom: will anyone? |
| 16:19.11 | xand | yes |
| 16:19.16 | branstrom | I'd want it to be there |
| 16:19.25 | branstrom | I'd really want to |
| 16:19.30 | xand | rdz: that's a stupidly made tar file |
| 16:19.35 | cast | i don't quite understand why tar is trying an unlink step, anyone care to inform me? |
| 16:19.46 | rdz | xand, yeah but i cannot change it, i'll have to stick with that |
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| 16:19.50 | gregj | wols: will it be a big hassle to upgrade from postfix to exim4, with antyvir+antyspam+maildirs+procmail per user ? |
| 16:19.53 | rdz | but why do you think=? |
| 16:19.58 | gregj | giggles :> |
| 16:20.16 | jonny_ | someone asked me to ask this question in here... |
| 16:20.17 | jonny_ | <Talaturen> HIHO!!!! WHY HAVE BROKEN NVIDIA-GLX PACKAGE??? I NEED HE BIG!!!! FUQU FIX NOW OR I GO UBUNTU USE. |
| 16:20.23 | rdz | xand, why do you think it is stupidly made? |
| 16:20.40 | xand | well |
| 16:20.41 | ben_goodger | jonny_: I concur, though not in such strong terms |
| 16:20.50 | jonny_ | lol |
| 16:20.56 | jonny_ | Well |
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| 16:20.59 | xand | because the directories are all o-w so I can't remove them without chmoding them first |
| 16:21.07 | jonny_ | He said i got a broken Nvidia-GLX or something |
| 16:21.07 | gregj | jonny_: hehe, tell him to go for ubuntu, and stop bothering debian devels :) |
| 16:21.10 | rdz | xand, yeah, that is very odd |
| 16:21.11 | xand | which is presumably why tar fails, though I don't know why it wants to remove it |
| 16:21.11 | h3sp4wn | branstrom: Which way don't you understand - 744 or g+x |
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| 16:21.25 | ben_goodger | jonny_: yes, I have one too |
| 16:21.31 | xand | ---------- 1 alex users 0 2007-06-19 17:15 Pd-0.40-2.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/AppMain.tcl |
| 16:21.34 | xand | what's that all about |
| 16:21.40 | ben_goodger | jonny_: the only annoying thing is that it's stopping me from using blender |
| 16:21.41 | roland | how do i install a deb package if it fails because of unresolved dependencies? |
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| 16:21.44 | roland | what option to dpkg |
| 16:21.51 | rdz | xand, anyway, since i cannot chang the file, can i upgrad tar to 1.16.1? |
| 16:21.55 | roland | to automatically get dependencies |
| 16:21.58 | ben_goodger | roland: --force-all, and don't blame me if something screws up |
| 16:21.58 | branstrom | h3sp4wn, the octal mode (that's the numbers, right?) is the hardest to get to stick |
| 16:22.07 | branstrom | and the manual isn't really readable |
| 16:22.11 | jonny_ | its stopping me from playing a online-game i like |
| 16:22.12 | xand | rdz: erm, maybe |
| 16:22.20 | ben_goodger | roland: to install the dependencies, use "aptitude install" and then the package |
| 16:22.20 | rdz | xand, are you on etch? |
| 16:22.27 | roland | ok thanks |
| 16:22.28 | cast | xand: i noticed Pd-0.40-2.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/AppMain.tcl has perms 0000 atm, maybe thats related |
| 16:22.43 | cast | rdz: what is the right permissions for the file its erroring on? |
| 16:22.43 | h3sp4wn | branstrom: r=4 w=2 x=1 (make the combination) owner:group:everyone |
| 16:22.54 | rdz | cast, that is what i found out as well, anyway it seems to work with other vewrsion of that |
| 16:22.59 | rdz | *of tar |
| 16:23.03 | branstrom | h3sp4wn, oh |
| 16:23.06 | rdz | cast, i cannot tell |
| 16:23.11 | branstrom | The manual somehow made it seem much more complicated... |
| 16:23.12 | h3sp4wn | branstrom: so rwx-rx-r = 754 |
| 16:23.16 | branstrom | Well, thanks |
| 16:23.22 | cast | rdz: can't tell from your ubuntu box / working extract? |
| 16:23.27 | cast | rdz: try pax perhaps |
| 16:23.39 | xand | cast: well you don't need permissions on the file to remove it, only on the directory it's in |
| 16:23.40 | xand | that file is a symlink |
| 16:23.40 | Jonny| | anyone know why nvidia-glx wont update?-->http://pastebin.se/21047 |
| 16:24.03 | rdz | cast, sorry, i can't folllow that telegram style... you mean, if it works on ubuntu? yes, it does |
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| 16:24.17 | roland | doesnt work |
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| 16:24.30 | xand | cast: no idea why it would remove it though, as 1.16.1 doesn't :) |
| 16:24.31 | roland | how do i automatically get dependencies installed when i want to install a 3rd party deb package ? |
| 16:24.33 | roland | eg webmin |
| 16:24.37 | h3sp4wn | Jonny|: Looks like you are not on amd64 |
| 16:24.43 | ben_goodger | Jonny|: nvidia-glx is only available on amd64 and x86 afaik |
| 16:24.46 | rdz | xand, actually the symlink shouldn't be removed, it should be created |
| 16:24.49 | h3sp4wn | Jonny|: hence that package doesn't exist |
| 16:24.53 | Jonny| | oh |
| 16:24.54 | ben_goodger | roland: you can't |
| 16:24.54 | Jonny| | >.< |
| 16:25.02 | roland | why |
| 16:25.11 | rdz | on the machine it works, there is the symlink AppMain.tcl pointing to ../bin/pd.tk |
| 16:25.13 | Jonny| | anyone got any ideaS? im new to linux and wanna play this game ;p |
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| 16:25.19 | ben_goodger | roland: how would you suggest it be done? |
| 16:25.20 | wols | gregj: I never used exim4, only postfix |
| 16:25.34 | cast | rdz: yeah, just use pax |
| 16:25.42 | ben_goodger | Jonny|: er, rebooting into windows is the current solution for me... |
| 16:25.43 | roland | ben_goodger : dpkg should get the missing packages required to install the target package |
| 16:25.44 | cast | rdz: pax -r -f pd-0.40-2.mac10.3.tar |
| 16:25.47 | roland | obviously |
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| 16:26.01 | rdz | cast, thank you a lot |
| 16:26.05 | ben_goodger | roland: dpkg does not know where they are |
| 16:26.07 | Jonny| | ben_goodger, i was gonna try that |
| 16:26.17 | cast | rdz: if you find out why tar doesn't like it tell us though :) i always expect tar to be foolproof |
| 16:26.30 | roland | ben_goodger : what the hell, cant it look them up in the repository from /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 16:26.38 | ben_goodger | roland: no, aptitude does that |
| 16:26.48 | h3sp4wn | roland: dpkg doesn't have any network stuff in it |
| 16:26.55 | hark | roland: dpkg -i the deb and then apt-get -f install |
| 16:27.04 | Jonny| | ben_goofder: when i tried graphics driver as "vesa" my game worked, but ran so slow it wasnt playable.. |
| 16:27.08 | ben_goodger | roland: if you want to install all of the packages manually, you can look at the output from dpkg and then do that |
| 16:27.10 | hark | roland: there's gdebi too |
| 16:27.13 | rdz | cast, it is, but not that exact version, i am using |
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| 16:27.19 | ben_goodger | Jonny|: vesa is nasty. try nv |
| 16:27.22 | h3sp4wn | roland: wajig does it also afaik |
| 16:27.26 | Jonny| | nv? |
| 16:27.33 | rdz | cast, i mean, maybe it is foolproof |
| 16:27.41 | rdz | but that version |
| 16:27.45 | roland | webmin: Depends: libnet-ssleay-perl but it is not installable |
| 16:27.45 | roland | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.45 | roland | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.46 | xand | I did a test with a directory with no w permission containing a symlink, and tar tries to remove it but can't |
| 16:27.48 | ben_goodger | Jonny|: the nv driver. |
| 16:28.07 | ben_goodger | roland: your repositories are broken. |
| 16:28.23 | ben_goodger | roland: run aptitude update before trying again |
| 16:28.27 | roland | who broke them ? cause i didnt use the PC, it was switched off.. |
| 16:28.31 | stew | roland: what version of debian are you using? |
| 16:28.36 | xand | tar seems to untar the symlink as a normal file |
| 16:28.47 | roland | etch |
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| 16:28.55 | stew | roland: there is no webmin in etch |
| 16:28.57 | Dark-Side` | hello |
| 16:29.05 | roland | ok im running aptitude update |
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| 16:29.12 | roland | stew, webmin is from webmin.com |
| 16:29.18 | roland | im not trying to get support for installing webmin now |
| 16:29.31 | stew | roland: what are you trying to do then? |
| 16:29.55 | stew | roland: show us the output of " apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 openssl " ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 16:30.13 | stew | roland: (and note that webmin.com's debian pacakges are notoriously bad) |
| 16:30.30 | stew | roland: (and that webmin, in general, is recommended against) |
| 16:30.35 | xand | rdz: you could try untarring it as root? |
| 16:30.43 | roland | stew, why notoriously bad? i used the deb package of webmin.com on debian 4 a lot of times before with no problems at all, and im using it on production server at work |
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| 16:31.03 | xand | ewww webmin |
| 16:31.04 | roland | stew so what web management software do you recommend |
| 16:31.09 | xand | !webmin |
| 16:31.09 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 16:31.23 | roland | why is it unssafe ? doesnt it use ssl at least? |
| 16:31.25 | rdz | xand, the problem is, that i am using tar in a scrit, that is executed as user. i'll try the pax solution |
| 16:31.35 | roland | and https |
| 16:31.45 | roland | it has bugs ? |
| 16:31.53 | roland | bad security bugs? |
| 16:32.09 | stew | roland: it was riddled with security problems when it was in debian. and nobody was willing to maintain it. now webmin.com is providing its own debs instaed, but they don't seem to understand debian very well |
| 16:32.12 | rdz | ldd /bin/tar on the ubuntu machine gives me the exact same output as on the debian box |
| 16:32.24 | rdz | maybe i just copy tar over? |
| 16:32.32 | rdz | is that dangeros? |
| 16:32.39 | stew | roland: i don't recommend any web management software. from what i've heard, vhcs is the least of the evils |
| 16:32.54 | roland | stew ok but im running webmin without any problems on production system and i ran on this one pc before as well |
| 16:33.01 | roland | ok i'll look that up |
| 16:33.03 | branstrom | h3sp4wn, what's the shorter letter equivalent of chmod 700 or chmod a-rwx,u=rwx ? |
| 16:33.14 | branstrom | Is there one? |
| 16:33.28 | stew | roland: if you want help with your current problem with the packaging system, get me the apt-cache policy output from above |
| 16:33.35 | roland | ok |
| 16:33.42 | roland | but first i'll look the alternative to webmin |
| 16:33.52 | Dark-Side` | you'll may be able to help me, I've a problem with my X server, last week I've upgrade xorg and since my nvidia-glx drivers aren't dtected anymore, I've the errors : Failed to load module : nvidia (module does not exist), No driver available. I've already tested to reinstall the drivers but it don't work, can you help me ? |
| 16:34.00 | stew | roland: (becuase openssl should be isntallable no matter what you are doing) |
| 16:34.59 | stew | roland: vhcs is a control panel for managing a server that hosts many domains and handles apache / postfix / dns / etc for you. if this is not what you are trying to do, vhcs is not for you |
| 16:35.18 | lambda | hi how knowing which package provide mail command please ? |
| 16:36.04 | roland | stew, yeah that is not exactly what im trying to do.. currently webmin covers all my web-based management wishes for linux |
| 16:36.09 | roland | and i also use ssh |
| 16:36.28 | Dark-Side` | are there some persons who can help me ? |
| 16:36.29 | roland | so it seems i'll be stuck with webmin |
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| 16:36.47 | stew | !bat |
| 16:36.47 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 16:36.56 | hark | lambda: you can use apt-file or search on packages.debian.org or if it's installed, dpkg -S |
| 16:37.06 | lambda | ok |
| 16:37.11 | rdz | yo, it works with the tar binary from ubuntu (tar 1.15.1) |
| 16:37.22 | rdz | cast, xand than you much for your help |
| 16:37.38 | roland | stew , i think i just got it to install the missing dependencies somehow |
| 16:37.39 | Dark-Side` | nobody ? |
| 16:37.49 | roland | its installing them now |
| 16:38.13 | Ronin | patience Dark-Side` |
| 16:38.25 | Dark-Side` | ok ^^ |
| 16:38.26 | roland | yup it works and im at webmin login sscreen |
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| 16:39.49 | hark | Dark-Side`: check the bts |
| 16:39.54 | Dark-Side` | the bts ? |
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| 16:40.28 | Dark-Side` | hark: what's the bts ? |
| 16:40.31 | xand | !Bts |
| 16:40.32 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 16:40.43 | cast | hmm @ buffer overflow in tar 1.14 and above |
| 16:41.12 | Dark-Side` | ok |
| 16:41.25 | gonzaloaf | hello, I have flashed my linksys wrt54g with the openWrt firmware, so nowI have access to it through ssh and http, my question is: how can I get some graphical results of the signal power, traffic, etc? |
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| 16:41.47 | xand | gonzaloaf: my question is, what is that to do with debian? |
| 16:42.13 | Strogg | xand: hrmm.. that's a tough one |
| 16:42.15 | gonzaloaf | xand, mmmm I am a user of debian |
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| 16:42.27 | xand | gonzaloaf... |
| 16:42.28 | Dark-Side` | hum |
| 16:42.35 | Dark-Side` | i've dl apt-listbugs |
| 16:42.36 | gonzaloaf | hello, offtopic: I have flashed my linksys wrt54g with the openWrt firmware, so nowI have access to it through ssh and http, my question is: how can I get some graphical results of the signal power, traffic, etc? |
| 16:42.40 | gonzaloaf | xand, better? |
| 16:42.45 | Dark-Side` | which command must i execute ? |
| 16:42.56 | roland | anyone knows if AIX 6 will run on intel compatible hardware? |
| 16:43.15 | stew | roland: ask #aix |
| 16:43.15 | Strogg | I'm a user of marajuana.. don't you see me asking #potsmokers how to get my ACPI working, do you? |
| 16:43.17 | xand | gonzaloaf: no, wrong channel ;P |
| 16:43.34 | Dark-Side` | hark: which command must I do ? |
| 16:43.36 | cast | oh, and 'GNU tar directory traversal Date: Tue Nov 21 2006'...lets one extract files to anywhere on the fs the user has permissions. damn. |
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| 16:43.48 | hark | Dark-Side`: bugs.debian.org/nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 16:43.54 | Dark-Side` | ok |
| 16:43.57 | Dark-Side` | hum |
| 16:43.59 | Dark-Side` | but |
| 16:44.07 | hark | gonzaloaf: there's #openwrt too :) |
| 16:44.08 | Dark-Side` | i'm not in graphic |
| 16:44.15 | Dark-Side` | i use emacs |
| 16:44.17 | Dark-Side` | :S |
| 16:44.21 | stew | Dark-Side`: M-x w3m |
| 16:44.22 | gonzaloaf | hark, ok |
| 16:44.25 | xand | gonzaloaf: try an openwrt channel or something |
| 16:44.48 | Dark-Side` | stew: yes but that's not a good browser |
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| 16:45.17 | stew | Dark-Side`: i think it is an excellent browser. its certainly good enough to view the bts with |
| 16:45.24 | Dark-Side` | ok |
| 16:45.29 | yangvnc | could someone tell me how to avid this parport bug http://paste.debian.net/30894 |
| 16:46.41 | hark | Dark-Side`: are you running unstable? |
| 16:46.46 | Dark-Side` | yes |
| 16:46.48 | Dark-Side` | lenny |
| 16:47.04 | Ronin | Dark-Side`: that would be testing then |
| 16:47.21 | Dark-Side` | so there is nothing to do ? |
| 16:48.27 | hark | Dark-Side`: you can probably use the nv driver for now, while you check for a fix |
| 16:48.34 | Dark-Side` | yes |
| 16:48.57 | Dark-Side` | but with nv i'won't have the grapical acceleration :S |
| 16:49.00 | Dark-Side` | but ok |
| 16:49.02 | Dark-Side` | i'll use |
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| 16:49.34 | Dark-Side` | that's my problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=34006 |
| 16:49.56 | cast | querybts pkgname is nice :) |
| 16:50.08 | stew | !dbugs 34006 |
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| 16:50.11 | dpkg | #:N[] ; |
| 16:50.27 | stew | "There is no record of Bug #34006" |
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| 16:50.44 | Dark-Side` | hum |
| 16:50.52 | Dark-Side` | there is one 6 more |
| 16:50.55 | Dark-Side` | 340066 |
| 16:50.57 | Dark-Side` | sorry |
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| 16:51.13 | hark | !dbugs 428697 |
| 16:51.13 | Dark-Side` | !dbugs 340066 |
| 16:51.16 | dpkg | #340066:N[nvidia-glx] xserver-xorg: Server does not start since using xorg instead of xfree86; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:18:01 UTC |
| 16:51.17 | dpkg | #428697:G[nvidia-glx] xserver-xorg-core couldn't open module nvidia; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:30:14 UTC |
| 16:51.33 | hark | Dark-Side`: that's pretty old |
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| 16:51.44 | Dark-Side` | hum |
| 16:51.45 | Dark-Side` | yes |
| 16:51.52 | Dark-Side` | that's strange |
| 16:52.02 | Dark-Side` | i thinks |
| 16:52.04 | Dark-Side` | -s |
| 16:52.10 | Dark-Side` | the bug you link |
| 16:52.13 | wols | Dark-Side`: this is your bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420177 |
| 16:52.17 | Dark-Side` | is probably my |
| 16:52.18 | stew | !tell Dark-Side` about enter |
| 16:52.36 | Dark-Side` | ^^ |
| 16:52.41 | Dark-Side` | sorry. |
| 16:52.44 | wols | currently nvidia is broken with X in testing and sid. you running testing, them are the breaks |
| 16:53.10 | Dark-Side` | wols: hum, do you know if the developers work on it ? |
| 16:53.14 | gpm | what's the testing kernel now? is this the gpl-only crap? |
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| 16:53.43 | cast | gpm: huh? the kernel is under the GPL2, what do you mean gpl-only crap? |
| 16:54.11 | wols | gpm: no it's X crap |
| 16:54.17 | gpm | i think it started in .20 or something, the nvidia module won't compile because some symbol that nvidia uses is gpl-only or something |
| 16:54.19 | nceterval | I'd like to set up a new etch or testing box with an encrypted / partition. Is there any way I can use a hibernate/suspend/some sort of other power-saving feature with the encrypted disk? |
| 16:54.26 | gpm | wols: ugh, the worst kind of crap :( |
| 16:54.38 | wols | cast: nvidia taints the gpled kernel... and it uses gpl only symbols in 2.6.21 or so which is a no no |
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| 16:54.50 | gpm | .20 too |
| 16:54.50 | wols | but this is not that problem |
| 16:54.56 | Dark-Side` | so thanks for all, i'll use nv now |
| 16:54.59 | valdyn | nceterval: these features have nothing to do with encrypting |
| 16:55.01 | Dark-Side` | bye all |
| 16:55.03 | gpm | that problem's gonna be around for a while |
| 16:55.17 | gpm | have fun with no acceleration |
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| 16:55.39 | xand | who needs acceleration :) |
| 16:55.42 | nceterval | valdyn, I thought that you could not wake up from suspend-to-disk if the disk is encrypted. Am I mistaken? Is special configuration required? |
| 16:55.44 | Nichevo | I do! |
| 16:55.49 | gpm | me too |
| 16:55.52 | valdyn | nvidia drivers run fine on 2.6.21 |
| 16:55.59 | Nichevo | well |
| 16:56.02 | gpm | sure it does |
| 16:56.03 | Nichevo | I need, but haven´ |
| 16:56.04 | Nichevo | t |
| 16:56.42 | gpm | but try running google earth or playing ppracer |
| 16:56.42 | gpm | valdyn: you're using a pre-compiled right? |
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| 16:56.53 | Nichevo | GE >< |
| 16:57.01 | Nichevo | slideshow :) |
| 16:57.22 | valdyn | gpm: none right now, i used the latest debian packages |
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| 16:57.46 | valdyn | !info nvidia-glx experimental |
| 16:58.03 | valdyn | gpm: not precompiled.. |
| 16:58.08 | valdyn | !info nvidia-glx sid |
| 16:58.13 | wols | valdyn: what version do you run? of nvidia? |
| 16:58.16 | h3sp4wn | 100.x it is now |
| 16:58.20 | valdyn | !test |
| 16:58.21 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 16:58.21 | wols | h3sp4wn: in sid? |
| 16:58.24 | hark | valdyn: the 100.14.06-1 driver fixes it right |
| 16:58.28 | h3sp4wn | wols: Yeah |
| 16:58.29 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 100.14.06-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4140 kB, Installed size: 13172 kB |
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| 16:58.45 | wols | neato |
| 16:58.46 | valdyn | hark: older one |
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| 16:59.14 | valdyn | checking my backups.. |
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| 16:59.27 | h3sp4wn | finally fixes the dpi crap (uses 96x96 for me not 95x96) |
| 16:59.53 | cast | nceterval: interesting question! one certainly wouldn't want to write the ram to disk unencrypted, dm-crypt@saout.de mailing list fields cryptsetup and dm-crypt questions |
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| 17:00.33 | Nichevo | ne |
| 17:00.56 | redduck676 | h3sp4wn: zomg on pixel too much?!?!!? what wer they thinking?!?!? |
| 17:01.02 | redduck676 | </spam> |
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| 17:02.43 | nceterval | cast, Thanks |
| 17:02.51 | h3sp4wn | redduck676: on an lcd it makes a big difference (i.e its actually lines up properly) |
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| 17:11.24 | gpm | valdyn: ah, but you see my card has been sent to legacy-land |
| 17:11.28 | gpm | recently |
| 17:12.33 | Greyscale_ | Right, I have a DVD image. I also have it mounted using -o loop |
| 17:12.39 | Greyscale_ | how can I play the DVD? |
| 17:12.44 | wols | !css |
| 17:12.44 | dpkg | CSS DVD security lock see http://livid.on.openprojects.net/ for more information, or cascading style sheets, or http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ or http://www.webreference.com/html/tutorials/ |
| 17:12.46 | Greyscale_ | I can't think of any obvious way :/ |
| 17:12.56 | Greyscale_ | dpkg, installed libdvdcss |
| 17:13.05 | Greyscale_ | I just can't figure out how to play from the image |
| 17:13.12 | gpm | so i have to use nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source, and therefore have to rebuild kbuild and mess with the nvidia makefile |
| 17:13.16 | abrotman | Greyscale_: you don't mount DVDs to play them |
| 17:13.27 | Greyscale_ | totem doesn't seem to like seeing the mounted image like it sees a real one |
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| 17:13.33 | Greyscale_ | abrotman, then how do I "play" an iso |
| 17:13.34 | Greyscale_ | ? |
| 17:13.41 | gpm | mplayer movie.iso |
| 17:13.44 | Greyscale_ | oh. |
| 17:13.45 | Greyscale_ | FARK |
| 17:13.46 | Greyscale_ | D: |
| 17:13.55 | Greyscale_ | all that effort. And it was that simple? |
| 17:13.59 | jduggan | heh |
| 17:14.06 | gpm | life is good |
| 17:14.34 | Greyscale_ | someone needs to add an option for that when you right-click isos. |
| 17:14.44 | gpm | someone needs to do a lot of things |
| 17:14.57 | Greyscale_ | I would if I knew how :/ |
| 17:15.35 | gpm | so file a wishlist bug with nautilus or whatever you're using |
| 17:15.36 | abrotman | not all ISOs are movies |
| 17:15.39 | gpm | that too |
| 17:15.42 | gpm | :-/ |
| 17:15.48 | abrotman | and i'm not sure 'file' can tell the difference |
| 17:16.22 | gpm | i doubt i |
| 17:16.23 | gpm | t |
| 17:16.32 | cahoot | opent with.. ? |
| 17:16.44 | abrotman | cahoot: how could it tell the difference between music/data/movie ? |
| 17:17.11 | cahoot | abrotman, no but user has the option to use his brain |
| 17:17.26 | petemc | thats not an option for everyone |
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| 17:17.46 | abrotman | cahoot: where do you think you are?! |
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| 17:17.52 | kexman | hi |
| 17:17.55 | kexman | i just met a debian |
| 17:17.59 | kexman | and i will have to use it |
| 17:18.02 | kexman | i never used debian |
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| 17:18.09 | kexman | but ill have to administer it :) |
| 17:18.18 | abrotman | have you used Linux at all ? |
| 17:18.18 | kexman | what are the top most things that i should be aware |
| 17:18.22 | kexman | yes |
| 17:18.23 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 17:18.23 | dpkg | from memory, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 17:18.25 | abrotman | !dsa |
| 17:18.25 | dpkg | from memory, dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers, or fucking slow and never giving proper credits. unable to maintain a decent level of security on Debian Project computers, or lame |
| 17:18.38 | cast | the 'i just met a debian' made me smile |
| 17:18.52 | kexman | i :) |
| 17:18.54 | cast | kexman: debian.org/docs/ imho |
| 17:18.58 | kexman | thanx |
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| 17:19.05 | buchkurish | a lil help =) mysql works fine on local host but it will not work on a local hostname that ive made |
| 17:19.09 | kexman | ill have to study debian ... |
| 17:19.13 | kexman | i used mostly gentoo |
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| 17:19.21 | ljungi | hi all |
| 17:19.28 | kexman | and that has different startup script and things related to rc |
| 17:19.39 | pickcoder | kexman: the main thing to be aware of is that there are a lot of people that can help |
| 17:19.41 | gpm | amongst other differences |
| 17:19.48 | redduck676 | kexman: i usually use update-rc.d to deal with satrtup scripts |
| 17:19.54 | buchkurish | http://pastebin.ca/576816 |
| 17:19.55 | pickcoder | but nothing is better than reading and doing |
| 17:19.55 | kexman | hmm |
| 17:20.10 | pickcoder | set up a test box and start from the ground up |
| 17:20.12 | kexman | i have no clue what update-rc.d is :) |
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| 17:20.25 | petemc | if only someone had thought to document it... |
| 17:20.30 | kexman | i usually start my scripts from /etc/init.d/myscript like /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 17:20.38 | ljungi | i have got a problem with /usr/bin/env - i tried to add php with /usr/bin/env php=/srv/php/bin/php - but it doesnt work - any ideas? |
| 17:20.38 | maek | does anyone know how to make an iso mounted to a loop back device exportable over nfs? |
| 17:20.45 | cast | kexman: oh and use aptitude install when people say apt-get install :) |
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| 17:21.02 | redduck676 | kexman: well, yes. but that doesn't make the script start at boot |
| 17:21.14 | kexman | redduck676, yes but i have rc-status and rc-update |
| 17:21.20 | abrotman | kexman: man update-rc.d |
| 17:21.29 | cast | maek: mount it as a /iso and export /iso? |
| 17:21.29 | redduck676 | kexman: not on debian |
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| 17:22.12 | LLcoolM | hi, i want to do graphical visualization of network load, cpu load, etc. is there a program that can do that automagically? |
| 17:22.16 | redduck676 | kexman: i thought you switched from gentoo to debian and want to know how we handle startup scripts. |
| 17:22.25 | redduck676 | apperently i was wrong. sorry. |
| 17:22.35 | maek | cast: I have it mounted under /export/product and I have /export nfs shared but when I go into product on a remote machine its not there. |
| 17:22.49 | redduck676 | LLcoolM: current network traffic or traffic monitoring? |
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| 17:23.34 | LLcoolM | redduck676: i just want to see how much the load on my router is over a long term period. and i want to watch that statistics with my webbrowser |
| 17:23.35 | ljungi | no idea? |
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| 17:23.46 | kexman | guys i dont know for sure its a debian |
| 17:23.52 | kexman | but i did find apt-get on it |
| 17:23.59 | LLcoolM | i have something with rrdtool in mind, but i do not want to write it myself if there is already something available for it |
| 17:24.04 | abrotman | kexman: look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:24.06 | kexman | and i tought it might be debian from the looks of it :) |
| 17:24.09 | redduck676 | kexman: cat /etc/*releasse |
| 17:24.09 | cast | LLcoolM: munin |
| 17:24.18 | abrotman | redduck676: you mean cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 17:24.20 | kexman | one moment |
| 17:24.31 | redduck676 | abrotman: it won't work if it is not debian. |
| 17:24.41 | cast | LLcoolM: itll record about a 20 other things, just delete all the symlinks in the pluggin dir but the ones you want |
| 17:24.43 | redduck676 | and he is not sure it is debian. |
| 17:24.52 | abrotman | the sources should work just fine |
| 17:25.04 | redduck676 | true. |
| 17:25.08 | LLcoolM | cast: thx, thats what i was looking for |
| 17:25.43 | kexman | just logged into the server |
| 17:25.44 | kexman | i get |
| 17:25.46 | kexman | Linux 2.4.22. |
| 17:25.47 | kexman | -bash: /home/deimios/.profile: is a directory |
| 17:25.58 | vulture | I'm using smbnetfs (or even the normal smb fs) and (I assume) when the connection drops out, things tend to get rather unresponsive. The mount point is left with this error: "rm: cannot lstat `/home/media/network': Transport endpoint is not connected" - what might I do to clean up or reenable my smbnetfs mount point? |
| 17:25.58 | kexman | the last admin must have left some trash behind ... |
| 17:26.01 | kexman | its a big mess |
| 17:26.07 | kexman | i would like to make something out of it |
| 17:26.20 | kexman | but i am just starting to work with linux on productive systems |
| 17:26.35 | kexman | i need not to fuck up anything or they'll castrate me :P |
| 17:26.56 | vulture | or could anyone suggest an alternative tool that would allow me easy access to my samba shares, preferably without using a samba-specific device (I could even live with a filesystem browser from KDE or Gnome, if it provided that) |
| 17:27.02 | redduck676 | kexman: they usually don't castrate you for first mistake :) |
| 17:27.02 | abrotman | kexman: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 17:27.14 | cast | maek: do you have the hide option set in your exports options? |
| 17:27.20 | kexman | hmm there is no apt ! |
| 17:27.23 | kexman | /etc/apt |
| 17:27.28 | kexman | so its not debian ? :) |
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| 17:27.33 | cast | maek: hmm, i think it might default to being on |
| 17:27.35 | maek | cast: I have ro,no_root_squash,sync thats it. |
| 17:27.36 | abrotman | kexman: what does `cat /proc/version` say ? |
| 17:27.50 | kexman | Linux version 2.4.22 (root@midas) (gcc version 3.2.3) #6 Tue Sep 2 17:43:01 PDT 2003 |
| 17:27.54 | dvs01 | when partitioning my disk in the debian installer, can i specify space as MiB instead of MB? |
| 17:28.14 | kexman | /usr/bin/ls: /etc/*re: No such file or directory |
| 17:28.15 | kexman | hmmm |
| 17:28.18 | maek | cast: let me try that. thanks. |
| 17:28.30 | abrotman | kexman: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:28.32 | kexman | damn |
| 17:28.34 | kexman | its slack |
| 17:28.35 | kexman | uff |
| 17:28.37 | kexman | the other machine |
| 17:28.38 | abrotman | heh |
| 17:28.40 | kexman | next to the server |
| 17:28.43 | kexman | that is debian ! |
| 17:28.44 | kexman | i think |
| 17:28.48 | kexman | let me check |
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| 17:28.51 | gpm | oi |
| 17:28.55 | kexman | yeah this one has no apt |
| 17:29.19 | kexman | yeah that is the debian one |
| 17:29.27 | abrotman | okay .. so paste your sources somewhere |
| 17:29.28 | kexman | hmm so i need to work on my slackware skillz then ? :) ufff |
| 17:29.40 | kexman | i have time till monday and i need to take an exam on friday at uni |
| 17:29.43 | kexman | deeeeee |
| 17:29.48 | kexman | lots of coffeine for me i think :P |
| 17:29.55 | dvs01 | coffaine |
| 17:30.03 | kexman | caffeine |
| 17:30.08 | dvs01 | cocaine? |
| 17:30.13 | gpm | mixed with coffee |
| 17:30.14 | kexman | yeah that would work too :) |
| 17:30.15 | dkr | cougheen |
| 17:30.16 | kexman | nah |
| 17:30.16 | dvs01 | hehe |
| 17:30.27 | dvs01 | cocaine sucks for sysadmin tasks. need methamphamine for that =P |
| 17:30.29 | gpm | there is #slackware |
| 17:30.31 | kexman | naaah |
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| 17:30.40 | gpm | or is it ##slackware? |
| 17:30.44 | kexman | meth gives you stupid ideas and you fly more then you concentrate |
| 17:30.51 | dvs01 | ah |
| 17:30.52 | kexman | cocaine is pure raw brainpower |
| 17:30.54 | kexman | in minimal doses |
| 17:30.58 | dvs01 | true |
| 17:31.01 | dvs01 | minimal doses is good |
| 17:31.01 | kexman | higher doses = you go frenzy |
| 17:31.02 | kexman | :) |
| 17:31.08 | abrotman | !enter |
| 17:31.08 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
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| 17:31.11 | kexman | dvs01, i talk about it but i never actually did it :P |
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| 17:31.26 | dvs01 | kexman, i did it a little too much |
| 17:31.36 | kexman | :))))) okayokay :) i got the point ... you aint the first one who tells me about hitting enter to many times |
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| 17:31.44 | dvs01 | however, ive heard that chewing on coca leaves has a nice effect that doesnt show to be addictive |
| 17:32.17 | davidL | if you mean cocaine leaves then the only effect is relieving altitude sickness |
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| 17:32.29 | kexman | yeah dvs01 tre |
| 17:32.32 | dvs01 | cocaine is in coca leaves |
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| 17:32.39 | cast | maek: the option is nohide, hmm, mentions on the manpage 'The nohide option is currently only effective on single host exports.' from google, you might have to write two export line i suppose if thats an issue. one for /export and one for /export/product |
| 17:33.08 | dvs01 | there other effects than just relieving altitutde sickness.. check out the report on erowid from morninggloryseed, he went to peru or something like that, detailed his story there |
| 17:33.22 | gpm | cast: i'm pretty sure you do, i remember doing this before |
| 17:33.23 | dvs01 | or was it murple who reported it.. hrm |
| 17:33.25 | gpm | then i just started using cifs |
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| 17:34.42 | cast | [maek] you can serve up any block device over the network with nbd-server :) |
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| 17:36.53 | test | how can i check if iceweasel was compiled with cups support or not |
| 17:37.01 | dkr | try printing |
| 17:37.02 | abrotman | to print to cups ? |
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| 17:37.19 | abrotman | i don't think that's even an optional thing .. |
| 17:37.21 | Ronin | wow deja vu |
| 17:37.49 | dkr | test: choose "print..." from iceweasel menu, printer choices will have options like "CUPS/lp" |
| 17:38.01 | dkr | (if you setup a print queue in cups named lp, that is) |
| 17:38.28 | test | dkr, it says Cups/blahbla... |
| 17:38.49 | Ronin | blah blah? didn't know iceweasel knew taht |
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| 17:38.58 | test | dkr, but i also set up authentication in cups , but it dosent prompt me for username/pass when printing so printing fails |
| 17:38.58 | Ronin | test: try being less vague |
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| 17:39.02 | test | with unauthorized |
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| 17:39.15 | test | Ronin, funny |
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| 17:40.41 | maek | cast: Thank you very much! adding it as a second line did the trick. I really appreciate the help. |
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| 17:42.22 | TheBonsai | hi. "apt-get install" versus "aptitide install" - is aptitude really "only" a frontend or does it do things different (in this case, like resolving dependencies etc..)? |
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| 17:43.21 | cast | it really does things differently. |
| 17:43.39 | Guerin | !aptitude |
| 17:43.39 | dpkg | i heard aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 17:43.55 | wols | TheBonsai: it does things differently |
| 17:44.13 | TheBonsai | okay, i see. thanks for the link for this obvious FAQ ;) |
| 17:44.20 | cast | maek: awesome :) |
| 17:44.28 | h3sp4wn | TheBonsai: There is a .tex file that explains the algorithm |
| 17:44.32 | nofxx | gonna ask now before installing.... is swat good ?? |
| 17:44.44 | wols | nofxx: no |
| 17:45.39 | nofxx | wols, ok... dont wanna more headache from things supposed to help.... |
| 17:45.58 | nofxx | ty |
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| 17:47.36 | gpm | Guerin: didn't you used to have an LJ? |
| 17:47.57 | cast | just so i'm not confused...the correct debian way to disable a script in /etc/init.d for a service from running at startup is update-rc.d -f servicename remove, right? |
| 17:48.33 | maek | cast: indeed. saves me so much time vs having to extract each iso by hand. thanks :) |
| 17:48.43 | gpm | yeah |
| 17:48.58 | gpm | that's the way, cast |
| 17:49.33 | cast | ive also noticed that packages seem to be leaving behind their /etc/init.d scripts from time to time, is that to be expected? |
| 17:50.01 | gpm | hm |
| 17:50.05 | redduck676 | cast: --purge |
| 17:50.19 | gpm | init.d is considered a configuration file? |
| 17:50.39 | redduck676 | IIRC yes. |
| 17:50.55 | gpm | that sounds right, but so wrong |
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| 17:51.05 | cast | hmm, purge worked. thanks! curious though, hadn't thought it would come under that |
| 17:51.13 | gpm | that's what i'm sayin' |
| 17:51.26 | helo | is it possible to setup an interface to use dhcp in interfaces, but hard-code the gateway? |
| 17:51.58 | wols | helo: yes. use and up script to set a new route |
| 17:52.02 | helo | or does the dhcp server have to hand out the gateway? |
| 17:52.07 | wols | !tell helo about interfaces |
| 17:52.15 | wols | you can also edit your dhcp client config file |
| 17:52.41 | gpm | it's possible to use other rc systems right? |
| 17:52.41 | helo | hmm, ok thanks |
| 17:53.27 | wols | gpm: everything is possible but I dunno if debs will work properly then. might need manual isntall/starting then |
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| 17:55.09 | Greyscale_ | hey, abrotman, mplayer iso.iso doesn't work. The picture and audio are garbled. |
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| 17:55.43 | gpm | sounds like your iso is what doesn't work |
| 17:55.47 | gpm | i've played many an iso that way |
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| 17:58.01 | xand | Greyscale_: problem with the content not the method? |
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| 17:58.33 | Greyscale_ | xand, it plays okay with dvdrip (but the sound is delayed by 2 seconds, annoyingly |
| 17:58.37 | Greyscale_ | so its not the media |
| 17:58.47 | xand | I didn't mean the media |
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| 17:58.57 | Greyscale_ | but when it plays with mplayer theiso.iso, its just green garbled shapes |
| 17:59.05 | Greyscale_ | I can give a screenshot if you like |
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| 17:59.35 | xand | sounds like a codec issue to me |
| 18:00.11 | Greyscale_ | but it works with dvdrip just fine O_o |
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| 18:00.42 | Greyscale_ | IE I can watch it, but because of the way it works, it buffers like realplayer :/ |
| 18:00.53 | xand | vlc |
| 18:01.16 | xand | is it really a cd image? |
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| 18:01.36 | Strogg | Does every recent motherboard have temperature sensors? |
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| 18:02.07 | G0k | hey all |
| 18:02.17 | rebo123 | Strogg: pretty much. |
| 18:02.37 | wols | Strogg: but not all have it accessible via lm-sensros |
| 18:02.43 | G0k | when i run debootstrap on sid, it fails after trying to configure klogd, any ideas? |
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| 18:03.25 | Strogg | wols: how does ACPI reporting fit in with lm-sensors? my /proc/acpi/thermal_zone is empty and I'mt rying to figureout/understand what's going on |
| 18:03.31 | Quintin | My USB mouse isn't working on a fresh etch insttall |
| 18:04.10 | wols | !acpi |
| 18:04.10 | dpkg | somebody said acpi was Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp |
| 18:04.17 | pickcoder | !tell Quintin about usbmouse |
| 18:04.24 | cast | Quintin: did it come with a usb2ps2 connector? :) |
| 18:04.33 | wols | see what it says "horribly horribly broken" |
| 18:04.39 | Strogg | hehe |
| 18:04.49 | Quintin | cast: no, but I have about 10 of them at the bottom of a postal crate |
| 18:04.53 | Strogg | maybe I should just buy a handful of USB thermometers |
| 18:05.02 | Quintin | oh heck |
| 18:05.11 | Quintin | n/m, it is ps2. why doesn't it work? :P |
| 18:05.23 | cast | Strogg: thermistors are cheap :) |
| 18:05.32 | Quintin | I even have a systray icon that is a mice with a red circle and cross over it |
| 18:05.33 | Quintin | wtf? |
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| 18:06.49 | pickcoder | Quintin: modprobe psmouse |
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| 18:07.32 | G0k | ok to put it better, does anyone know where debootstrap might log its errors? |
| 18:07.37 | jvgomez | good afternoon .. |
| 18:07.44 | Quintin | er, wtf |
| 18:07.50 | G0k | it just says "Failure while configuring base packages" then quits |
| 18:07.51 | Quintin | somehow, a kernel from a different OS was booted. |
| 18:08.01 | Quintin | probably a symlink issue.. |
| 18:08.03 | albert | hi, i just tried to get an understanding for my network-configuration and read the networking-howto on debian.org. since i'm quite new to this i didn't understand much of it. is there some easy-to-understand manual for the network available? |
| 18:08.05 | gpm | user error |
| 18:08.14 | h3sp4wn | G0k: What distribution are you trying to debootstrap |
| 18:08.18 | gigamonkey | Is there a canonical list of valid (official) entries for /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 18:08.18 | G0k | sid |
| 18:08.30 | h3sp4wn | G0k: using the version of debootstrap in sid ? |
| 18:08.35 | G0k | uh. maybe? |
| 18:08.37 | gpm | gigamonkey: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 18:08.48 | gpm | those aren't entries |
| 18:08.55 | gpm | but i guess you could man sources.list for that |
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| 18:08.57 | G0k | h3sp4wn: by which i mean...no, absolutely not? |
| 18:09.13 | jvgomez | anybody know why, in qtstalker 0.34 make, say "UpgradeMessage.cpp:183: error: conversión inválida de ‘int’ a ‘DBTYPE’ " .. the sentence in question is "rc = olddb->open(olddb, NULL, (char *) path.latin1(), NULL, DB_BTREE, DB_RDONLY, 0664);" |
| 18:09.14 | h3sp4wn | G0k: It may just be broken anyway - but to debootstrap sid you should use the version in sid |
| 18:09.17 | Greyscale_ | xand, its a DVD image |
| 18:09.25 | G0k | k...is there an easy way to get that from etch? |
| 18:09.33 | Greyscale_ | xand, sorry about the delay, delivery dude brought me chinese. |
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| 18:09.49 | h3sp4wn | G0k: just get the .deb and install it (its a shell script there won't be any problems at all just installing it) |
| 18:10.09 | cottima | why is ltsp-server-standalone (5.0.8debian2) an unstable package? |
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| 18:11.01 | xand | Greyscale_: order pizza next time. |
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| 18:11.13 | wietz0r | Can I safely remove packages in /var/archive/apt ? |
| 18:11.24 | Greyscale_ | xand, I ordered pizza last week. |
| 18:11.26 | wietz0r | /var/cache/archive/apt even |
| 18:11.29 | Greyscale_ | it was cold ;-; |
| 18:11.37 | Greyscale_ | anyway, yes, it is a DVD image. |
| 18:11.39 | xand | o.O |
| 18:11.50 | Greyscale_ | and it works when I make a dvdrip from it |
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| 18:11.56 | Greyscale_ | its just audio is 2 seconds slow |
| 18:11.58 | mptech | does the debian installer support setting up software RAID 5? |
| 18:12.05 | Greyscale_ | which makes it really annoying to watch |
| 18:12.06 | xand | mptech: yes. |
| 18:12.19 | gigamonkey | If aptitute update is complaining about "Couldn't stat source package list http://nonus.debian.org etch/non-US/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/nonus.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_etch_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)" is the problem likely my /etc/apt/sources.list or elsewhere? |
| 18:12.22 | mptech | xand: it'll just give me the option in the disk partitioner? |
| 18:12.28 | Greyscale_ | wait, mptech? mptank, is that you? |
| 18:12.30 | xand | mptech: uhuh |
| 18:12.42 | xand | Greyscale_: I've never had cold pizza (delivered) |
| 18:12.54 | mptech | Greyscale_: I've no clue who mptank is |
| 18:13.06 | Greyscale_ | you're both on bellsouth, and you both have similar names Oo |
| 18:13.26 | mptech | I go by two handles, Marco and mptech |
| 18:13.35 | Greyscale_ | What are the odds O_O |
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| 18:13.40 | mptech | pretty high |
| 18:13.44 | mptech | bellsouth has a lot of users |
| 18:13.53 | Greyscale_ | I mean bellsouth AND similar nicks. |
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| 18:14.06 | Greyscale_ | and in channels I frequent. |
| 18:14.15 | xand | stalker |
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| 18:14.43 | cast | night all |
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| 18:14.56 | Greyscale_ | xand, yes. |
| 18:15.02 | xand | o.o |
| 18:15.05 | Greyscale_ | any ideas about what I can try? |
| 18:15.18 | Greyscale_ | night cast. |
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| 18:15.47 | Greyscale_ | I want to watch clerks II damnit :P |
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| 18:16.12 | gpm | gigamonkey: there is no more non-us |
| 18:16.14 | gpm | !non-us |
| 18:16.15 | dpkg | non-us is probably where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 18:16.21 | Azar | gigamonkey: non-us is not used anymore |
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| 18:16.29 | Greyscale_ | just for reference, mplayer does lots of this: |
| 18:16.30 | Greyscale_ | a52: CRC check failed! 9.254 ct: 1.364 432/432 10% 1% 2.1% 0 0 |
| 18:16.30 | Greyscale_ | a52: CRC check failed! 9.144 ct: 1.348 436/436 10% 1% 2.1% 0 0 |
| 18:16.30 | Greyscale_ | a52: CRC check failed! |
| 18:16.30 | Greyscale_ | a52: error at resampling |
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| 18:16.40 | Greyscale_ | oops |
| 18:16.41 | Azar | bummer |
| 18:16.42 | Greyscale_ | I forgot |
| 18:16.42 | xand | naughty! |
| 18:17.03 | mrfan | I've compiled the last stable kernel (2.6.21.5) but I can't select "cpufreq drivers" in (make) menuconfig, therefore I can't load cpufreq modules and manage the dynamic frequency, there is someone that have the same problem or want help me? |
| 18:17.19 | cottima | what do I type to add unstable? |
| 18:17.46 | Azar | cottima: you can't "add" unstable, you move to it and there is no way back |
| 18:17.47 | mrfan | ops, I'am on lenny, with amd turion ml34 |
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| 18:18.20 | mrfan | I've tried to edit .config but the result is the same |
| 18:18.26 | xand | Greyscale_: CRC failure = corruption |
| 18:18.28 | xand | I think. |
| 18:18.34 | gpm | like i said |
| 18:18.37 | cottima | Azar: I just want to install ltsp5 which is in unstable. |
| 18:18.44 | Greyscale_ | but it decodes FINE with dvdrip |
| 18:18.45 | Greyscale_ | :/ |
| 18:18.50 | Greyscale_ | like, flawlessly |
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| 18:19.00 | xand | did you try vlc yet? |
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| 18:19.02 | gpm | Greyscale_: why do you need to play the iso so badly anyway? |
| 18:19.05 | Azar | cottima: try backports if there is such package there... /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:19.12 | Greyscale_ | the only reason I can't watch the dvdrip is the 2 second delay between video and audio |
| 18:19.15 | xand | gpm: maybe (s)he wants to watch it? |
| 18:19.20 | Greyscale_ | gpm, so I can watch the film? |
| 18:19.25 | Greyscale_ | xand, he :P |
| 18:19.39 | gpm | tried burning it to a dvd? |
| 18:19.44 | xand | least I didn't say (s)he/it :D |
| 18:19.54 | gpm | bums |
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| 18:20.27 | Greyscale_ | gpm, I don't have any disks. |
| 18:20.34 | Greyscale_ | and I couldn't keep the DVD's. |
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| 18:20.46 | Greyscale_ | They were lent to me overnight. |
| 18:20.48 | gpm | sure, well you could try vlc |
| 18:20.53 | Greyscale_ | and 5 films in one night is a bit muc |
| 18:20.56 | Greyscale_ | yeah, its installing |
| 18:21.06 | xand | naughty warez |
| 18:21.09 | gpm | other than that, you're sorta sol |
| 18:21.18 | karsten | How does X sort out which VCs are free to run X on? For some reason I seem to have switched to using VC8 rather than VC7. |
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| 18:21.24 | Greyscale_ | xand, shush :P |
| 18:21.34 | gpm | again, i called it |
| 18:21.41 | stew | karsten: first unused afaik |
| 18:21.59 | gpm | how can i use 7? i'd like to have some more VCs, just 'cause |
| 18:22.05 | Greyscale_ | I can't install vlc :/ |
| 18:22.09 | stew | gpm: edit /etc/inittab |
| 18:22.15 | gpm | stew: danke |
| 18:22.16 | Quintin | Greyscale_: vlc, mplayer |
| 18:22.29 | Greyscale_ | depends on libavformat0d, which isn't available. |
| 18:22.33 | karsten | stew: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out why VC7 thinks it's being used. |
| 18:22.37 | Greyscale_ | Quintin, mplayer doesn't work |
| 18:22.37 | stew | gpm: (you can send a HUP to init to get it to reread that file) |
| 18:23.00 | stew | karsten: ps aux | grep tty7 ? |
| 18:23.02 | G0k | ok so i updated debootstrap and it still doesn't work |
| 18:23.15 | G0k | anyone else ever have it fail while configuring base packages? |
| 18:23.20 | karsten | stew: fuser shows nothing. |
| 18:23.42 | stew | karsten: same here even though i have x running? |
| 18:23.52 | stew | oh, heh, x isn't running on the server this shell is running in |
| 18:24.02 | gpm | Greyscale_: sid? lenny? etch? |
| 18:24.03 | xand | thundering and lightning ;.; |
| 18:24.11 | Greyscale_ | sid |
| 18:24.16 | gpm | well that's what you et |
| 18:24.16 | stew | karsten: running fuser as root? |
| 18:24.17 | gpm | get |
| 18:24.21 | Greyscale_ | actually, all I did was update. |
| 18:24.28 | Greyscale_ | I'm still technically etch |
| 18:24.31 | karsten | stew: fuser -v /dev/tty8: /dev/tty8: root 8468 F.... Xorg |
| 18:24.31 | Greyscale_ | brb |
| 18:24.33 | gpm | oh |
| 18:24.41 | karsten | stew: Yep. |
| 18:24.42 | gpm | that's salvageable |
| 18:24.46 | stew | karsten: and nothing for tty7? |
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| 18:25.31 | alanhaggai | Is there anyway to know the progress of a download in wget over ssh? |
| 18:25.34 | karsten | stew: Nope. |
| 18:25.38 | karsten | stew: Less a problem than a mystery. |
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| 18:25.55 | karsten | stew: The additional sauche is that I'm doing a wdm stop/start around suspending to disk. |
| 18:26.10 | karsten | stew: sleep 4; /etc/init.d/wdm stop; sleep 2; chvt 1; sleep 2; ./suspend ; sleep 4; /etc/init.d/wdm start; ifup eth0; chvt 7 |
| 18:26.37 | karsten | stew: ... I could play with the sleep times, etc., but it strikes me as ... odd. |
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| 18:26.52 | stew | dunno |
| 18:29.14 | Greyscale_ | yay, vlc wins again |
| 18:30.04 | abrotman | Greyscale_: fyi .. i don't use mplayer :) |
| 18:30.13 | gpm | as long as the mpaa doesn't fine you, everyone wins |
| 18:30.24 | gpm | hah, i meant to say find, but fine works too |
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| 18:34.03 | earthian | hello, somebody with iceweasel browser open www.fostral.net and tell me if the scrolling in that page is somehow SLOW or not? |
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| 18:34.30 | o2T7 | hi |
| 18:34.32 | earthian | I just tested and in other browsers for me except iceweasel the scrolling is not laggish or slow.. |
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| 18:34.48 | o2T7 | If I have an isa sound card |
| 18:34.48 | earthian | hi o2T7 |
| 18:34.58 | o2T7 | and it is show in dmesg |
| 18:35.11 | o2T7 | but there is no related module at /etc/modules... |
| 18:35.25 | rahul | you talk like you're asthmatic? |
| 18:35.25 | o2T7 | How can I see if it is workinkg or not? |
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| 18:35.58 | rahul | alsamixer, adjust volume. then use something to play a sound |
| 18:36.10 | o2T7 | let's see |
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| 18:39.43 | o2T7 | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 18:40.13 | o2T7 | user is already member of the audio group |
| 18:40.40 | o2T7 | but it seems like the card wasn't configured |
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| 18:41.19 | rahul | lsmod... see what module was loaded |
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| 18:43.01 | o2T7 | i nopaste it compelte |
| 18:43.04 | o2T7 | complete* |
| 18:43.43 | rahul | snd-whatever are the important ones |
| 18:43.52 | o2T7 | http://www.nopaste.com/p/aqqcsabUe |
| 18:43.59 | UngeniO | hello .. any body can help me with a trouble in make program step ?? |
| 18:44.19 | rahul | oh my fucking goodness |
| 18:44.26 | rahul | that is one HELL of a long lsmod |
| 18:44.36 | o2T7 | yes, it is xD |
| 18:44.50 | o2T7 | ubuntu's HELL xD |
| 18:45.07 | rahul | how would we know how to fix ubuntu? |
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| 18:45.10 | jakub_ | ubuntu is best |
| 18:45.15 | stew | its actually shorter than the one on my workstation |
| 18:45.23 | rahul | jabular: you forgot an "a" in there |
| 18:45.24 | jakub_ | it have same restarts as windows |
| 18:45.29 | o2T7 | isn't it debian based? |
| 18:45.39 | rahul | o2T7: just like windows is DOS based |
| 18:45.40 | stew | o2T7: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu. it is debian based, but not supported here |
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| 18:45.50 | jakub_ | windows is dos based ? |
| 18:45.51 | jakub_ | ehehe |
| 18:45.54 | jakub_ | windows is windows based :-) |
| 18:45.55 | o2T7 | sorry xD |
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| 18:45.58 | jakub_ | it dont have any console |
| 18:46.03 | o2T7 | You are right |
| 18:46.15 | rahul | well, old windows |
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| 18:48.21 | abrotman | jakub_: text only rescue mode ? |
| 18:48.23 | pingouin | is there an 'oldstable' entry somewhere for the debian-multimedia.org server ? |
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| 18:48.34 | abrotman | pingouin: might be listed as sarge |
| 18:48.51 | jakub_ | ehe |
| 18:48.51 | jakub_ | :D |
| 18:48.55 | abrotman | stew: it better rain darn it .. i didn't even bring my bike! |
| 18:48.58 | o2T7 | #ubuntu is a madness :S |
| 18:49.02 | jakub_ | rescue mode ? |
| 18:49.03 | jakub_ | windows ? |
| 18:49.06 | jakub_ | it`s not rescue mode |
| 18:49.16 | jakub_ | i cant fix anything here |
| 18:49.39 | stew | abrotman: i haven't been on a bike in a few weeks. i'm trying to get back into marathon shape. |
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| 18:49.48 | pingouin | abrotman: hmm ok, so i did a mistake, i put oldstable for all, even for debian-multimedia, thanks for the clue abrotman ;) |
| 18:49.56 | stew | jakub_: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 18:49.58 | karsten | stew: I didn't realize that marathon shape was round. |
| 18:50.21 | stew | karsten: right, my current shape is not marathon shape |
| 18:50.25 | abrotman | stew: the delaware trail is crushed stone right ? |
| 18:50.25 | jakub_ | fixboot |
| 18:50.26 | jakub_ | ;-D |
| 18:50.39 | stew | jakub_: what is wrong currently? |
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| 18:50.55 | jakub_ | nothing |
| 18:50.56 | jakub_ | i have linu |
| 18:50.56 | jakub_ | x |
| 18:51.00 | jakub_ | everything is okay :-) |
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| 18:56.49 | ahlfors | How long until I can finally install aptitude in unstable again? (That is, how long until a bug that's "fixed in experimental" is fixed in unstable?) |
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| 18:57.49 | stew | ahlfors: it will be uploaded to unstable whenever the develops feels like it. there is no way to predict when that might happen, and pacakges are not moved to unstable automatically |
| 18:58.20 | gpm | you could just grab the experimental version |
| 18:58.29 | gpm | if it's just one package |
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| 18:58.50 | gpm | (assuming no dep problems) |
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| 18:59.14 | ahlfors | gpm: I'm wary of that. I don't want to end up in dep hell, nor risk screwing up the package system. If these worries are unfounded, do let me know! |
| 18:59.27 | gpm | depends |
| 18:59.28 | gpm | heh |
| 18:59.29 | Eulex | ahlfors, well, why are you running unstable then? |
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| 19:00.55 | ahlfors | Eulex, well look, I'm at least a competent debian hacker, and my experience over six years has been that unstable rarely breaks, and only once in a blue moon does something break that I can't fix. |
| 19:01.04 | ahlfors | I'm just wondering how long until this self-corrects |
| 19:01.16 | petemc | unstablr rarely breaks? |
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| 19:02.04 | ahlfors | Clarification: major breakage of system essentials or my frequently-used packages is rare. |
| 19:02.17 | ahlfors | unstable has served me well, ymmv, and I'm not complaining |
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| 19:02.57 | gpm | well, the short answer is what stew said |
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| 19:03.09 | gpm | as for grabbing the experimental package may work |
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| 19:03.18 | gpm | you may want to poke around pdo if you're paranoid about breakage |
| 19:03.24 | gpm | and in case you haven't already, install apt-listbugs |
| 19:03.34 | ahlfors | what is pdo? |
| 19:03.38 | gpm | !pdo |
| 19:03.38 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 19:04.06 | ahlfors | oh, yeah, I had listbugs at one point, dunno when or why I got rid of it |
| 19:04.19 | gpm | ahlfors: there's no good reason to uninstall that package on sid |
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| 19:04.37 | ahlfors | Ok, point taken, I'll put apt-listbugs on again. |
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| 19:05.01 | HyperDevil | i have installed proftpd, the upload to the server is 30000kbps, but download exaclty 400kbps.. i have no cap installed in the server config.. what is wrong? |
| 19:05.24 | ahlfors | But every time I ask a question about unstable on here, I end up with someone asking "why do you run unstable?" or "you shouldn't run unstable?". By running unstable, to I give up my right to ask questions? |
| 19:05.36 | gpm | basically yeah |
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| 19:05.46 | zck | hi |
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| 19:05.49 | Ronin | ahlfors: tahts because its generally accepted taht if you run sid you should be able to fix it yourself |
| 19:05.50 | gpm | or at least, your right to ask questions without getting grilled first |
| 19:06.00 | stew | ahlfors: no. but we encourage users to be pretty self-sufficient before they start running unstable |
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| 19:06.26 | RedVelvet2010 | Does anyone know of a streamripper program for asx files? |
| 19:06.45 | ahlfors | geeze, I am pretty self-sufficient. But now I understand why people complain about the unfriendly debian community so much. |
| 19:07.12 | gpm | i thought that was a decent explanation |
| 19:07.28 | gpm | there are a lot of people using sid who shouldn't |
| 19:07.36 | abrotman | ahlfors: we're totally friendly .. i'll even let you buy the first round! |
| 19:07.44 | dvs01 | ahlfors, ubuntu's community is the friendlier side of the debian realm |
| 19:07.53 | gpm | oi |
| 19:07.53 | abrotman | dvs01: try #ubuntu |
| 19:07.58 | RedVelvet2010 | Or, is there an alternative method of capturing audio from an asx stream and piping it to a file? |
| 19:08.03 | dvs01 | ya im in there too |
| 19:08.09 | abrotman | so keep your comments in there |
| 19:08.21 | N1ckR | is ubuntu ~= debian unstable ? |
| 19:08.23 | abrotman | !info vsound etch |
| 19:08.27 | abrotman | N1ckR: not even close |
| 19:08.29 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 19:08.31 | abrotman | RedVelvet2010: ^^ |
| 19:08.32 | N1ckR | :p |
| 19:08.39 | stew | ahlfors: well i think a lot of users in here just try to be very discouraging of people running unstable when they shouldn't and do it for the users own good, but it unfortunately comes off as hostility or elitism. you shouldn't be discouraged from asking questions in here |
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| 19:08.49 | blubberdiblub | RedVelvet2010, |
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| 19:08.53 | stew | ahlfors: (so long as you are able to also look for answers on your own, of course) |
| 19:08.54 | dvs01 | abrotman, it was a comment to ahlfors in response to lack of friendliness.. he's in here, so i said it in here |
| 19:08.59 | blubberdiblub | RedVelvet2010: try totem-gstreamer |
| 19:09.00 | Gryfelhase | now, i'm a relaitv linux-newbe at all (but good computerexrience at all)... and I have to say, I got always help here, and think they are really helpfull here |
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| 19:09.16 | Gryfelhase | there are other linux-related channels.... |
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| 19:09.19 | abrotman | dvs01: it's okay .. i'll tell ahlfors that #ubuntu is the stupid side of the debian realm :) |
| 19:09.25 | dvs01 | hehe |
| 19:09.28 | Gryfelhase | where you get only: rtfm |
| 19:09.28 | stew | #ubuntu is off-topic |
| 19:09.35 | gigamonkey | gpm, Azur: thanks |
| 19:09.41 | ahlfors | Anyway, my question was answered, so thanks, but realize that the presumption that I shouldn't be asking questions if I'm running unstable is a bad idea. I'll stop this off-topic conversation now. |
| 19:09.41 | dvs01 | any of you use beryl? |
| 19:09.42 | gpm | gigamonkey: np |
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| 19:10.05 | abrotman | ahlfors: you can certainly ask questions .. but you're expected to do a bit of your own research when running unstable (and you might very well have) |
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| 19:10.13 | dvs01 | running 'cat /dev/urandom' with shivering windows enabled causes the window to go tottally nuts and bounce out of the screen. very funny to watch |
| 19:10.19 | gpm | ahlfors: i think it's a sorta necessary precaution...stick around and witness those less-experienced than you asking dumb questions because they shouldn't be using sid |
| 19:10.48 | RedVelvet2010 | Thanks abrotman! This looks to be just the thing I need..now to figure out how to use it. :D |
| 19:11.04 | zck | hi, please how can I power off a hard drive? |
| 19:11.12 | gigamonkey | So is there a way to tell what version of debian I'm using other than looking in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 19:11.20 | zck | I mean, a hard drive I'm not currently using, how can I suspend it? |
| 19:11.21 | abrotman | RedVelvet2010: start the feed .. start vsound .. though i could be wrong .. been a while since i used it |
| 19:11.23 | abrotman | !version |
| 19:11.23 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 19:11.56 | stew | zck: how is the harddrive connected? |
| 19:12.04 | zck | IDE |
| 19:12.05 | RedVelvet2010 | It seems like I just need to hook into the right process, and I'm thinking totem is using OSS and not ALSA.. |
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| 19:12.21 | stew | zck: hdparm can cause it to "spin down" |
| 19:12.39 | zck | that would silence it, isn't? |
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| 19:13.41 | gpm | RedVelvet2010: you can check that with something in the gnome prefs. |
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| 19:14.01 | kenji | hi guys |
| 19:14.01 | gpm | RedVelvet2010: it's desktop->preferences...something in there |
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| 19:14.14 | gpm | or maybe even in totem prefs... |
| 19:14.41 | zck | stew: that would silence it, isn't? |
| 19:14.48 | abrotman | RedVelvet2010: IIRC .. vsound uses the pcm stuff |
| 19:14.54 | gpm | isn't what? |
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| 19:15.06 | stew | zck: it should, but it is hardware dependent |
| 19:15.13 | RedVelvet2010 | Mmk, that should work perfectly abrotman. |
| 19:15.17 | zck | ok, thanks |
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| 19:15.53 | RedVelvet2010 | I've got a feeling it's gonna give me a huge wav file, which I can compress and splice later. |
| 19:16.07 | abrotman | i believe that is the output |
| 19:16.08 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i have a question about reverse ssh..i need to connect to my university machine from home, since the uni is behind a firewall and a nat, i am unable to do, what i did is this, i set up a reverse tunnel to my home machine ssh -nNT -R 4321:localhost:22 user@home, then from home i ssh -p 4321 uni@localhost..i should get the password login but it just hangs there..why is that? |
| 19:16.12 | blubberdiblub | RedVelvet2010: as totem seems to use gstreamer, be sure to install gstreamer*-alsa package (such as gstreamer0.10-alsa), to make gstreamer use alsa |
| 19:16.37 | karsten | assasukasse: First: you may very well be violating University policy doing this, and putting your access at rissk. |
| 19:16.43 | abrotman | RedVelvet2010: you might need snd_pcm_oss |
| 19:16.47 | karsten | assasukasse: Secondly: see the Firewall Piercing HOWTO. |
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| 19:17.09 | assasukasse | karsten: the department director gave me a written authorization |
| 19:17.16 | abrotman | yay karsten for violating acceptable network use policy! |
| 19:17.23 | karsten | assasukasse: Very well. |
| 19:17.24 | abrotman | assasukasse: which department ? |
| 19:17.33 | RedVelvet2010 | Or..I guess I could just find the individual streams to which the asx contains..that would save me time. |
| 19:17.38 | karsten | abrotman: The firewall piercing department ;-) |
| 19:17.51 | assasukasse | abrotman: nuclear engineering |
| 19:17.58 | abrotman | assasukasse: it's not their network |
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| 19:18.14 | kenji | guys I need a zope server, for that I installed debian etch and the package build-essential ... then I downloaded zope 2.9.7 and untar it and ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/zope but when I do make I get this: http://rafb.net/p/sEtGLI16.html |
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| 19:18.18 | abrotman | admittedly .. it's not my network either :) |
| 19:18.19 | kenji | can some one help me please? |
| 19:18.28 | karsten | assasukasse: You should be able to access the forwarded end of the tunnel by sshing to the port and host to which you've forwarded. So, from uni => outsidehost:4321. Then you ssh to user@outsidehost:4321 |
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| 19:18.46 | karsten | assasukasse: To debug, go verbose at both ends (if possible) and note the session transaction. |
| 19:18.52 | assasukasse | abrotman: the problem is this: i have to finish my thesis by november, to do that i need full access to the pc that runs the calculation |
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| 19:19.02 | abrotman | assasukasse: take it home! |
| 19:19.02 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:19.08 | kmindi|ibm-t20 | hi, how can i find out the deviceid (xxxx:xxxx) of a pcmcia card? or how could i check which one is insert. or available and so on (need devid for ndiswrapper) |
| 19:19.09 | abrotman | wait .. i bet that violates policy too .. |
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| 19:19.15 | abrotman | kmindi|ibm-t20: lspcmcia |
| 19:19.20 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 19:19.21 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 19:19.26 | assasukasse | abrotman: either they give me the calculation program source (and los alamos will hunt them to death) or they let me use from outside, OR in AUGUST they don't go holiday and give me the key :D |
| 19:19.44 | karsten | assasukasse: In general, see the firewall piercing howto though. |
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| 19:20.33 | moshii | I upgraded the openssh server recently.. and now keyboard authentication is disabled and publickeys aren't working :/ |
| 19:20.38 | assasukasse | karsten: what i did is this: ssh -nNT (for not spawning a tty on my machine and for not sending commands tru the tunnel) -R 4321:localhost:22 myuser@homepc |
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| 19:21.12 | abrotman | moshii: so you can't get in ? |
| 19:21.16 | kmindi|ibm-t20 | thanks |
| 19:21.23 | kmindi|ibm-t20 | that helped |
| 19:21.25 | abrotman | ahlfors: see .. we're nice! |
| 19:21.31 | karsten | assasukasse: Right. Now remotely: ssh myuser@homepc:4321 |
| 19:21.42 | blubberdiblub | kenji: maybe you're supposed to install the python-dev package? or even try the debian-provided zope instead of compiling it yourself? |
| 19:21.55 | karsten | assasukasse: ... I'm doing this by memory, I haven't done port-forwarding for quite a while. |
| 19:22.01 | ahlfors | abrotman, helpful, certainly. Nice, often. |
| 19:22.08 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:22.13 | kenji | I can't use the zope package for debian blubberdiblub |
| 19:22.16 | moshii | abrotman: luckily I've now got access to the xen console from the host.. |
| 19:22.16 | assasukasse | karsten: i tought the sintax is ssh -p 4321 universityuser@localhost |
| 19:22.17 | karsten | assasukasse: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Firewall-Piercing/index.html |
| 19:22.30 | karsten | assasukasse: See above. I am *not* authoritative. |
| 19:22.33 | abrotman | moshii: so can you turn one of the other back on ? |
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| 19:22.46 | moshii | abrotman: but I can't see what is breaking it.. the config is indentical to my other machine that is working :/ |
| 19:22.54 | kenji | blubberdiblub Im going to try with the python2.4-dev package |
| 19:23.03 | abrotman | moshii: ssh has a verbose mode .. as does sshd |
| 19:23.13 | tdn | How do I generate a public key file from my private SSH DSA key? |
| 19:23.34 | assasukasse | karsten: thanks, this howto is not exactly easy but i will try..anyway i studied ssh-agent and is very very convenient.. |
| 19:23.39 | abrotman | !ssh keys |
| 19:23.39 | dpkg | ssh keys is, like, http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 19:23.40 | karsten | assasukasse: http://www.ssh.com/support/documentation/online/ssh/adminguide/32/Port_Forwarding.html |
| 19:23.44 | karsten | assasukasse: ... is more direct. |
| 19:23.57 | gpm | keys are rad |
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| 19:24.38 | tdn | abrotman, thanks. |
| 19:25.07 | moshii | abrotman: I checked the client in verbose mode,.. the machine is only allowing publickey authentication but I'll try sshd to see why it thinks I want that |
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| 19:25.41 | kenji | blubberdiblub tnks, that was the problem =) |
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| 19:26.15 | homa_rano | I'm trying to run apache2 through inetd, but nothing happens; is there some log file that would be useful? |
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| 19:27.07 | blubberdiblub | kenji: you're welcome, it was the first error in your output that provided the hint :) |
| 19:27.28 | gpm | homa_rano: why not just run apache via the init.d script? |
| 19:27.34 | assasukasse | karsten: thanks alot, but that's what i did..seems that the firewall is smart and kills my ssh tunnel |
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| 19:27.50 | gpm | homa_rano: anyway, there's /var/log/apache2/error_log, i think |
| 19:28.12 | gpm | and i'm sure the inetd log will shed light if the apache2 doesn't |
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| 19:28.58 | karsten | assasukasse: Go verbose on *both* sides of the connection to debug. |
| 19:29.11 | karsten | assasukasse: The firewall *can't* kill your tunnel, it looks like any other ssh connection. |
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| 19:29.19 | tdn | abrotman, sorry, but that HOWTO did not tell me how to make a public key from my private key file. It just tells me the basic stuff about how to generate a key pair. This is not what I need. I already have my private key file. |
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| 19:29.32 | assasukasse | i will try karsten :D im at home now and is night :D tomorrow i will check the univ, for now only home |
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| 19:30.02 | gpm | tdn: man ssh-keygen? |
| 19:30.02 | abrotman | tdn: eegads .. i just saw it might be fairly dated also |
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| 19:30.14 | moshii | gah, doesn't even seem to attempt to authenticate.. which explains why even public keys won't work |
| 19:30.17 | Mr-R | tdn: the public key is generated at the same time as the private key |
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| 19:31.20 | lwilke | hm, is it possible to run two monitor, each with its own resolution and refresh rate. I am using an nvidia geforce 7600gt and thinking about buying an eizo s1701? |
| 19:31.25 | gpm | check out the -i option of ssh-keygen |
| 19:32.07 | homa_rano | gpm: apache2 takes up too much memory to keep it on 24/7 and it's used perhaps once a week |
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| 19:32.51 | gpm | homa_rano: ok, so don't have it turn on at startup |
| 19:32.58 | gpm | you can still start it up with the init.d script |
| 19:33.04 | gpm | /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 19:33.08 | gpm | when you want it on |
| 19:33.12 | tdn | gpm, i WILL. |
| 19:33.21 | gpm | tdn: oK |
| 19:33.22 | gpm | ? |
| 19:33.23 | tdn | gpm, sorry. Caps lock. |
| 19:33.23 | abrotman | he WILL! |
| 19:33.24 | tdn | :) |
| 19:33.25 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:33.26 | gpm | heh |
| 19:33.29 | tdn | Hehe. |
| 19:33.31 | abrotman | oh .. they match .. how cute |
| 19:33.40 | blubberdiblub | tdn: there is actually no normal way of generating a public key from a private key (or the other way round), as that would compromise security of the public-private-key-idea ... you have to gerate both at the same time. if someone could generate one from the other, the whole non-symmetric-key-scheme would make no sense ;) |
| 19:34.14 | gpm | homa_rano: when you want to turn it off, /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 19:34.23 | tdn | blubberdiblub, ok. So if I lost my public key, my private key is useless and I need to make a new one? |
| 19:34.25 | gpm | update-rc.d -f apache2 remove |
| 19:34.31 | gpm | to remove it from startup |
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| 19:34.47 | gpm | tdn: -i didn't work? |
| 19:34.57 | Dark_Hunter | zarkdav: hi |
| 19:35.04 | blubberdiblub | tdn: usually yes, that's a good thing tho, since that way you keep up your security |
| 19:35.24 | gpm | wait, i don't get how generating a public from a private could be a problem? |
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| 19:35.29 | gpm | the other way around makes sense |
| 19:35.41 | tdn | gpm, haven't tried yet. According to blubberdiblub it is impossible? |
| 19:35.49 | gpm | tdn: couldn't hurt to try |
| 19:35.57 | tdn | gpm, no :) |
| 19:36.03 | tdn | gpm, I WILL try ;) |
| 19:36.11 | gpm | i'm a n00b to this though, so no guarantees |
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| 19:36.54 | abrotman | tdn: i'm pretty sure he's right |
| 19:37.10 | tdn | abrotman, who is? |
| 19:37.18 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: |
| 19:37.32 | tdn | gpm, I think -i is for converting one format keyfile to another format keyfile. Not converting private -> public. |
| 19:37.42 | gpm | tdn: eh, i tried :P |
| 19:37.48 | tdn | I can use the line from my authorized_keys maybe? |
| 19:38.06 | gpm | why's being able to generate a public key from a private dangerous? |
| 19:38.48 | moshii | since when did is become default in openssh to disable password authentication o_0 |
| 19:38.58 | gpm | it isn't |
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| 19:39.05 | Dark_Hunter | --- [Zarov] (zarov@slack.org.pl) : Unknown |
| 19:39.06 | Dark_Hunter | --- [Zarov] #debian.linux.pl |
| 19:39.06 | Dark_Hunter | :P |
| 19:39.13 | gpm | not in debian anyway |
| 19:39.14 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:39.21 | abrotman | Dark_Hunter: are you okay? |
| 19:39.22 | blubberdiblub | tdn: normally, the usual key-generation schemes could give you either key 1 as public key, and key 2 as private key or the other way round (they'll pick one way on their own), so the algorithm for one way or the other is the same. from that logically follows that you can't generate the public key from the private one, and neither vice verse |
| 19:39.37 | moshii | gpm: I have two machine with exactly the same config, since one got upgraded password auth got turned off, it works now I forced it in the config |
| 19:39.50 | Dark_Hunter | abrotman: mistake |
| 19:39.55 | abrotman | no kidding :) |
| 19:39.56 | gpm | moshii: dunno, that's weird. |
| 19:40.05 | gpm | doesn't happen for me |
| 19:40.20 | abrotman | moshii: didn't it ask you if you watned to overwrite your conf with the maintainers ? |
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| 19:41.21 | gpm | more interestingly, when has that ever been the default for a debian ssh server? |
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| 19:41.23 | RedVelvet2010 | Woah...this application is cool abrotman! |
| 19:41.27 | moshii | abrotman: not that I can remember, a debconf dialog came up saying "option x doesn't really disable password auth, you need y too, do you want to set y?" and I said no, thus I was a little shocked heh |
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| 19:42.12 | abrotman | RedVelvet2010: it's useful .. that's for sure |
| 19:42.24 | abrotman | moshii: eh .. okay |
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| 19:43.07 | moshii | gpm: this is in unstable mind you, so sort of to be expected. |
| 19:43.10 | blubberdiblub | tdn: but since it's the public key that you've lost, you might have distributed it already to some places. that means you could get it from them? (like for encrypting mail, you would send the public key to your friends, so some of them would already have it and you could get it back?) |
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| 19:43.34 | vertigo- | hello everybody |
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| 19:43.42 | gpm | moshii: i'm on sid too, nothing like that happened to me |
| 19:43.56 | gpm | in fact, when i install/upgrade openssh-server, no debconf comes up at all |
| 19:44.10 | gpm | kdb auth is just fine too, enabled by default |
| 19:44.11 | welgtsil | someone can say me if does Debian 64-bits run 32 bits aplications? |
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| 19:44.29 | moshii | welgtsil: yeah, if you have the ia32 support packages installed |
| 19:44.36 | RedVelvet2010 | Hmm..very useful, but it doesn't seem to be working yet. Haha. |
| 19:44.45 | tdn | blubberdiblub, I have it in authorized_keys-files on several hosts. Can I just take the line from that file and put it in a mypublickey.pub? |
| 19:45.03 | vertigo- | i have a problem: during a "apt-get dist-upgrade" a "new" kernel was install (same version as the previous) without modules, and of course it wont boot.. any ideas as to how do i go about fixing this? |
| 19:45.15 | moshii | gpm: I'll see if I can recreate it on a local machine later and report it if it was a bug and just not something I broke but forgot about.. |
| 19:45.24 | vertigo- | debian sarge and using sarge repositories |
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| 19:45.46 | blubberdiblub | tdn: sure, if that's the public key you distributed, that's right the one it is :) |
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| 19:45.56 | tdn | blubberdiblub, ok. Thanks. |
| 19:46.04 | g00se | Seem to remember vaguely that /etc/sudoers is checksummed. Would it break if i overwrote default with my custom one? |
| 19:46.10 | gpm | couldn't hurt to try |
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| 19:46.38 | gpm | g00se: just use visudo, it's better that way |
| 19:47.12 | g00se | Then i'd have to paste it all in - messy at command line |
| 19:47.29 | gpm | just a suggestion, then you don't have to worry about checksums |
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| 19:47.55 | gpm | nothing is messy at the command line |
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| 19:48.24 | lugkleve | does anyone know if nvidia-glx is useable in lenny again or not yet? |
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| 19:49.12 | g00se | gpm: ok thanks |
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| 19:49.49 | lwilke | lugkleve: yes, at least here |
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| 19:50.16 | gpm | g00se: sorry i don't have a gui-fied option for you :/ |
| 19:50.19 | gpm | o/o all |
| 19:50.37 | lugkleve | lwilke: thanks, I'll test it tonight .. |
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| 19:50.57 | g00se | gpm: Don't worry - i don't have a gui ;-) |
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| 19:58.00 | drbair_work | Is there a way to make aptitude display properly over SSH? (minus all the (?)'s) |
| 19:58.23 | tdn | Which package provides /usr/bin/time ? |
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| 19:59.12 | blubberdiblub | tdn: dpkg -S /usr/bin/time -> gives package: time |
| 19:59.27 | teekay_ | yo |
| 19:59.53 | tdn | blubberdiblub, ok. Thanks. -S means "which package provides this file"? |
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| 20:00.02 | blubberdiblub | tdn: exactly |
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| 20:00.31 | tdn | blubberdiblub, thanks. |
| 20:00.37 | h3sp4wn | dlocate is quite alot faster if you install it (and make sure its cron job runs ? - with fcron / anacron etc) |
| 20:00.48 | stew | tdn: but only works for installed packages, for uninstalled pacakges, /msg dpkg apt-file ; /msg dpkg pdo |
| 20:01.21 | cottima | I am trying to install LTSP 5 and looking at http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto Would someone explain how to do the last four lines ("when building a chroot, you'll need to tell it to use the backport sources")? |
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| 20:02.05 | cottima | is that what I type into the console? |
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| 20:03.17 | tdn | stew, ok. |
| 20:03.19 | blubberdiblub | drbair_work: does your normal shell (not using ssh) give the same for "echo $TERM" and "locale" as does your ssh-session-shell? |
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| 20:03.53 | tdn | h3sp4wn, do the update-dlocatedb runs as a cron job by default? Or do I have to set that up manually? |
| 20:04.18 | cottima | sorry about that question. It makes better sense now. |
| 20:04.41 | h3sp4wn | tdn: It runs by default but if your machine is off at that time it won't end up getting run (solution install anacron) |
| 20:05.27 | tdn | What happens if I set a cron job to run each day a 09:00 o clock. But the machine is never on at that time. If the machine is only on from, say, 11:00 to 16:00 o clock. Is the 09:00 job never run? Or will it be run at some other time? |
| 20:05.46 | valdyn | tdn: its never run |
| 20:05.51 | salocin | If you are interested in an open source project, and are skilled with linux, come learn more in #salocinlinux |
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| 20:05.55 | valdyn | tdn: that's why anacron exists |
| 20:06.19 | valdyn | tdn: cron really is only sufficient for always-on serveris |
| 20:06.21 | valdyn | tdn: cron really is only sufficient for always-on servers |
| 20:06.32 | blubberdiblub | tdn: as h3sp4wn said, using anacron is the solution. it will run things that would have been run at times your box was down |
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| 20:07.54 | tdn | valdyn, ok. |
| 20:07.57 | tdn | blubberdiblub, ok. |
| 20:08.37 | Idle | when I apt-get upgrade, I get a LOT of packages being held back... why does it hold packages back? |
| 20:08.47 | Idle | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 221 not upgraded. |
| 20:08.48 | valdyn | Idle: on which debian release? |
| 20:08.52 | Idle | stable |
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| 20:09.06 | valdyn | Idle: and you installed sarge as stable? |
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| 20:09.30 | Idle | yea, well, whatever it was |
| 20:09.32 | ph1g | Hello, I am looking for the package that contains the source code for the "regex" library. plain ol posix regex |
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| 20:09.36 | valdyn | Idle: ok |
| 20:09.49 | Idle | 4.0 |
| 20:09.51 | Idle | as stable |
| 20:09.58 | valdyn | Idle: i doubt that |
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| 20:10.03 | Idle | it is |
| 20:10.04 | agentx0r | im having trouble grasping the difference between "depends" and "pre-depends" in the .deb control file |
| 20:10.07 | valdyn | Idle: etch/stable hasnt gotten that many upgrades |
| 20:10.09 | tdn | What about my corrent cron jobs if I install anacron? Do I have to change them? Right now I have several cron jobs that is scheduled to run at specific times. Will these jobs be run on another times if I install anacron? |
| 20:10.10 | Idle | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:10.21 | Idle | thats what it reports :( |
| 20:10.28 | valdyn | Idle: yea, but my question was about installtion time, not current |
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| 20:10.39 | ph1g | Idle: How about cat /etc/issue |
| 20:10.48 | valdyn | Idle: anyway: does your /etc/apt/sources.list say 'stable' ? |
| 20:10.50 | Idle | 4.0 |
| 20:10.59 | Idle | valdyn: yep |
| 20:11.22 | valdyn | Idle: ok: what happens is, that a NEW stable released, that is 4.0, that is etch |
| 20:11.40 | valdyn | Idle: you should _properly_ upgrade to etch |
| 20:11.50 | Idle | hm |
| 20:11.59 | Idle | I may do that this weekend then |
| 20:12.01 | Idle | dist-upgrade? |
| 20:12.04 | valdyn | Idle: and change that "stable" to "etch" so you dont upgrade ot a new release by mistake next time |
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| 20:12.29 | valdyn | Idle: in a year or so 'stable' would be 'lenny', you dont want an upgrade 'by mistake' |
| 20:12.40 | Idle | I just left it and apt-get update && upgrade once in a while |
| 20:12.48 | valdyn | Idle: yes i know |
| 20:12.53 | Idle | hm, so, I upgraded, but not? |
| 20:13.19 | blubberdiblub | agentx0r: "pre-depends" packages are usually packages, which are needed to even be able to install the package in question (as well as to run it). so it's even a "more urgent" dependency than "depens" |
| 20:13.24 | valdyn | Idle: 'upgrade' does not change the 'state' of a package, is it handles only the easiest kinds of updates |
| 20:13.34 | ph1g | Hello, I am looking for the package that contains the source code for the "regex" library. plain ol posix regex |
| 20:13.36 | valdyn | Idle: read the manpage, read the release notes to etch |
| 20:13.38 | Idle | ok |
| 20:13.42 | valdyn | dpkg: sarge->etch |
| 20:13.43 | dpkg | i guess sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 20:13.54 | Idle | I dont have the time to read the release notes when theres so many of them |
| 20:14.07 | valdyn | Idle: there's one link, one releasenotes |
| 20:14.27 | Idle | lol |
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| 20:14.32 | Idle | there is no way I have the time to read that |
| 20:15.00 | valdyn | Idle: there's read and read.. no one reads whole manpages or whole release notes |
| 20:15.28 | Idle | of course not, but that really doesn't help me keep anything upgraded |
| 20:15.47 | Idle | just whats changed |
| 20:15.47 | Idle | and I really dont care what changed |
| 20:15.47 | abrotman | valdyn: no one? |
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| 20:15.47 | abrotman | valdyn: i mean .. there are some pretty short man pages :) |
| 20:15.57 | valdyn | abrotman: ooo. nitpicker! |
| 20:16.09 | tdn | Do I have to change my current cron jobs, if I install anacron? Right now I have several cron jobs that is scheduled to run at specific times. Will these jobs be run on another times if I install anacron? |
| 20:16.13 | abrotman | valdyn: like the ones that say "See 'info <cmd>'" |
| 20:16.29 | Idle | my main question, is does dist-upgrade upgrade all of my packages... so I dont have 221 held back |
| 20:16.35 | blubberdiblub | ph1g: i suppose it's in libc6 and libc6-dev, respectively. chances are extremely likely that you've already installed it. look into /usr/include/regex.h and files which that one refers to |
| 20:16.57 | valdyn | Idle: i cant responsibly help you with that, even game consoles have manuals, and if you want to use something more complicated than a toaster you'll have to read up on it, occasionally |
| 20:17.33 | valdyn | Idle: it may or may not, it may break your system, read the release notes |
| 20:17.49 | Idle | .... |
| 20:17.50 | abrotman | there are some damn complicated toasters! |
| 20:17.59 | abrotman | such as the netbsd toaster! |
| 20:18.03 | valdyn | good point |
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| 20:18.05 | Idle | so, I need to read a 3000 page document... every 3 weeks |
| 20:18.06 | Idle | fuck that |
| 20:18.13 | Idle | I do not have the time for that |
| 20:18.15 | abrotman | it's not 3000 pages |
| 20:18.16 | Idle | not at all |
| 20:18.19 | valdyn | Idle: learn to read |
| 20:18.24 | Idle | abrotman: its damned close then |
| 20:18.29 | abrotman | or at least use the index to find what you need to read |
| 20:19.10 | Idle | 30 pages on just upgrading |
| 20:19.11 | blubberdiblub | ph1g: for simply using it in your C code, refer to "man 3 regex" and be sure to use the compiler directives "#include <sys/types.h" as well as "#include <regex.h>" |
| 20:19.13 | jelly-home | Idle: or, if you don't want to read, you can probably pay someone else to do it |
| 20:19.20 | Idle | perhaps multiple pages in those |
| 20:19.24 | valdyn | Idle: looking at the index for 30 seconds will tell you that you may only need point 4 in the index |
| 20:19.29 | Idle | jelly-home: I have no issue with reading |
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| 20:19.40 | Idle | but reading that many for something that should be simple... thats just stupid |
| 20:19.43 | valdyn | Idle: and spending 30 more seconds will probably exclude half of the content in that point |
| 20:19.48 | valdyn | Idle: so - learn to read |
| 20:19.52 | Idle | valdyn: thats HARDLY 30 seconds |
| 20:20.27 | valdyn | Idle: yea, probably less |
| 20:20.32 | Idle | lol |
| 20:20.35 | Idle | 1 second per pahe |
| 20:20.36 | Idle | page |
| 20:20.38 | Idle | thats a new one |
| 20:20.47 | valdyn | Idle: or LINE |
| 20:20.51 | jelly-home | Idle: well... pick any two: simple, cheap, working |
| 20:20.59 | valdyn | Idle: there isnt hundreds of topics in the index |
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| 20:21.18 | Idle | jelly-home: honestly, my source distro is less work then that to maintain |
| 20:21.28 | Idle | valdyn: no, but the upgrading section is 40 pages |
| 20:21.33 | assasukasse | karsten: i was able to make the ssh tunnel work..what did i do different, nothing, so why didn't work before, i dunno..but the important is that it works now.. |
| 20:21.39 | smacnay | Any word on when texlive will be installable from "testing" repos? |
| 20:22.04 | jelly-home | Idle: well, then you have options. I prefer the gotchas to be documented, than to be omitted. |
| 20:22.10 | valdyn | smacnay: that's not controlled by any person |
| 20:22.38 | Idle | jelly-home: this is true |
| 20:22.39 | valdyn | smacnay: it depends on bugs filed , and fixes uploaded and the only thing a debian dev can actually help with -> fixes uploaded |
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| 20:24.33 | cottima | I just added a backport for the first time, so I went to synaptic to check it. the old version of the sofware comes up, but the new one from the backport. Could I have done something wrong? |
| 20:25.07 | valdyn | smacnay: its 10 days w/ no serious bug to get into testing, that's reset each time a new bug is found |
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| 20:26.45 | abrotman | valdyn: unless they push it |
| 20:27.04 | valdyn | abrotman: does that happen alot at this stage? |
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| 20:27.22 | abrotman | dunno |
| 20:27.29 | valdyn | abrotman: i'd assume that onyl really happens in preparation to next stable but i dunno.. |
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| 20:27.42 | grendal_prime | i need to get a list of all the packages installed on a system. |
| 20:27.54 | Juerd | dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 20:27.55 | dpkg | ii | grep ii 1.1-5 juerd's private stamp collection |
| 20:28.01 | abrotman | !installed |
| 20:28.01 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 20:28.03 | Juerd | Heehee :) |
| 20:28.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. I ordered a laptop that I intend to install Debian on. I'm wondering about disk encryption - How is it done, what options are there, how will the battery and performance slap be etc? |
| 20:28.37 | karsten | Dark_Apostrophe: Google: linux disk encryption howto |
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| 20:28.48 | valdyn | !cryptoloop |
| 20:28.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | karsten: Gee, thanks. |
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| 20:29.40 | smacnay | valdyn: thanks |
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| 20:30.31 | agentx0r | blubberdiblub, oh, ok. thanks! so if my application uses mysql/java/tomcat, i can safely just say those are plain old "depends" |
| 20:30.36 | smacnay | valdyn: I tried to install it last night and removed tetex - but one of the texlive packages was not yet in the repos so the install died. Now tetex is not installable either. Oh well. |
| 20:30.42 | karsten | Dark_Apostrophe: Generally: encrypt your /home, but not system partitions. Most common system seems to be a crypto loopback filesystem. Yes, there's overhead. There's also a data loss risk, though I'm not sure if that's filesystem level or block level (eg: is the entire filesystem one crypto file, or is it done on a block-by-block basis. Read the docs. |
| 20:30.56 | valdyn | smacnay: you can try simple sid backport |
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| 20:31.01 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 20:31.02 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
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| 20:31.12 | valdyn | !quick sid/etch mix |
| 20:31.15 | Greyscale_ | Hey. dvdrip produces dvdrips that have a 2 second audio lag. Halp? |
| 20:31.19 | valdyn | !quick sid/sarge mix |
| 20:31.19 | dpkg | hmm... quick sid/sarge mix is echo 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your sarge lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update, apt-get -t unstable install foo to install foo from sid rather than sarge |
| 20:31.22 | karsten | Dark_Apostrophe: You've also got third-party products which give you the option of a shared infrastructure, bootable access to smart USB keys, etc. |
| 20:31.40 | stew | sid/sarge !?! |
| 20:31.51 | valdyn | smacnay: simple sid backport is better |
| 20:31.54 | valdyn | stew: yea, old |
| 20:32.22 | valdyn | dpkg: forget quick sid/sarge mix |
| 20:32.37 | valdyn | dpkg: forget "quick sid/sarge mix" |
| 20:32.37 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called '"quick sid/sarge mix"' to forget, valdyn |
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| 20:32.56 | abrotman | heh |
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| 20:33.08 | smacnay | valdyn: I will need to read up about that stuff. |
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| 20:33.34 | smacnay | valdyn: backporting is something I have never done. |
| 20:33.51 | abrotman | dpkg: no quick sid/sarge mix is <reply>Don't even think about it! |
| 20:33.54 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 20:33.59 | valdyn | smacnay: its not more than compiling a package from source the debian way |
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| 20:34.03 | abrotman | stew: better? :) |
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| 20:34.20 | stew | !no quick sid/sarge mix is dont mix sarge and sid under any circumstances. if you need newer pacakges than those found in sarge, first upgrade to etch (ask me about <sarge->etch>) then ask me about <backports> |
| 20:34.21 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 20:34.23 | ramanK | hi all |
| 20:34.32 | abrotman | oh darn! |
| 20:34.33 | karsten | abrotman: Shouldn't the original have been a "quick testing/unstable mix"? |
| 20:34.38 | abrotman | karsten: there is that too |
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| 20:34.52 | karsten | abrotman: Indeed. |
| 20:34.56 | abrotman | though i'm not sure why we have factoids about mixing when we tell everyone not to do it |
| 20:35.05 | blubberdiblub | agentx0r: probably yes. "depends" is the very usual real dependency ... "pre-depends" is a more special thing that's only used by some certain packages that really really need it *g* |
| 20:35.16 | valdyn | !factinfo quick sid/sarge mix |
| 20:35.17 | dpkg | quick sid/sarge mix -- last modified 56s ago by stew!i=nulliden@mail.vireo.net. |
| 20:35.18 | HamidNassiby | Hi , is it possible to install Debian etch from its DVD ISOs ? |
| 20:35.23 | smacnay | valdyn: does it require adding to apt for the unstable sources? |
| 20:35.23 | ramanK | How can I install debian etch from iso DVD's on hard disk? |
| 20:35.26 | wols | abrotman: we also have a ton of sid factoids. and we have a ton of diskspace wasted on public sid |
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| 20:35.38 | abrotman | wols: that's a bit different |
| 20:35.43 | abrotman | !ig |
| 20:35.44 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 20:35.44 | valdyn | abrotman: it was a useful recommendation for packages not containing binaries |
| 20:35.45 | wols | it's just that people who ask about mxing are not fit to do it, just like people asking for sid |
| 20:35.56 | agentx0r | blubberdiblub, java is sort of a different beast since it's normally always in compiled form, maybe java would be a pre-depend for an all java application? |
| 20:35.57 | abrotman | valdyn: i suppose .. /msg dpkg simple sid backport! |
| 20:36.58 | smacnay | wols: I don't feel fit to do it, I will wait for the package to stabilize. |
| 20:37.00 | valdyn | agentx0r: why should it? |
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| 20:37.38 | abrotman | wtf is this .. Fury of DSAs Week ? |
| 20:37.41 | blubberdiblub | agentx0r: nah ... a normal java application doesn't need special things while installing, right? it just copies its files into place. so "depends" should be sufficient |
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| 20:38.01 | karsten | abrotman: fury or flurry? |
| 20:38.02 | cottima | would someone help me with ltsp 5? |
| 20:38.14 | abrotman | karsten: depends how many affected systems you have :) |
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| 20:38.40 | abrotman | karsten: haven't been .. yet |
| 20:38.49 | ramanK | Please help me:''How can I install debian etch from its DVD's iso ?" |
| 20:38.53 | abrotman | karsten: there've just been quite a few since saturday |
| 20:39.01 | karsten | ramanK: Read the installation manual. |
| 20:39.02 | abrotman | ramanK: /msg dpkg ig .. see if it's in there |
| 20:39.43 | ramanK | I don't have any DVD-ROM |
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| 20:40.16 | karsten | ramanK: Then the simple answer is "no". |
| 20:40.22 | karsten | ramanK: The complicated answer is "maybe". |
| 20:40.44 | blubberdiblub | agentx0r: clarification: only if your package.preinst or package.postinst scripts have very special needs for certain packages (which they don't if you don't have such scripts ;), those would be needed as pre-depends |
| 20:40.44 | wols | ramanK: then you can't install from DVD |
| 20:40.58 | karsten | ramanK: The sensible answer is "what methods of installing Debian do you have available to you which offer a high probability of success and which will be appropriate to your system.?" |
| 20:41.03 | ramanK | I have debian DVD's iso on my hard disk |
| 20:41.13 | karsten | ramanK: ... which for those keeping tabs is actually a question. |
| 20:41.16 | karsten | !tell ramanK about netinst |
| 20:41.20 | wols | ramanK: how do you connect to the internet? |
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| 20:41.40 | ramanK | bye another OS |
| 20:41.43 | ramanK | by* |
| 20:41.45 | karsten | ramanK: We could spend a few hours walking you through the process, or you could d/l netinst ISOs and/or floppies and be running in a few minutes. |
| 20:41.58 | wols | ramanK: do you have a CD burner? |
| 20:42.14 | karsten | wols: ... or floppy drive, or USB key (for netinst). |
| 20:42.20 | darkapostrophe | ramanK: Are you a Windows user? |
| 20:42.31 | darkapostrophe | ramanK: If so, you can use www.goodbye-microsoft.com to install Debian |
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| 20:42.35 | ramanK | yes , i have a cd burner |
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| 20:42.50 | wols | karsten: floppies and usb are to complicated for him. ti's either CD iso netinst or goodbye-microsoft.com |
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| 20:43.00 | karsten | wols: Agreed. |
| 20:43.02 | wols | ramanK: then download the netinst (150MB) and install with that |
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| 20:43.05 | euthyrox_lover | hello |
| 20:43.09 | agentx0r | blubberdiblub, alright i see now. to make sure i'm on the right page, if my application requires tomcat/mysql, i create a .deb package for it that states these requirements. if i were to use apt-get with that package i created, would it d/l those said dependencies for me? |
| 20:43.37 | ramanK | I have another problem , too . I don't have any high speed internet :( |
| 20:43.38 | cottima | if I just download then install unstable packages on a stable system, will there be a problem? |
| 20:43.39 | karsten | dpkg: goodbye Microsoft is http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/ (Debian installer which runs from a current Windows session). |
| 20:43.39 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 20:43.40 | wols | agentx0r: if you do it right: yes. however making debs can be very tricky |
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| 20:43.48 | karsten | ramanK: What speed internet do you have? |
| 20:43.57 | agentx0r | i see. i was told it wouldn't be that difficult to do what i needed |
| 20:44.14 | wols | ramanK: importantly, do you pay for your internet by the minute or is it a flatrate? |
| 20:44.19 | ramanK | 905 bps :( |
| 20:44.29 | wols | 900 bits per second? |
| 20:44.36 | ramanK | yeah |
| 20:44.40 | argonic | ... |
| 20:44.40 | argonic | wow |
| 20:44.50 | karsten | ramanK: That's plenty. |
| 20:44.51 | argonic | I thought *I* had it bad at 9800 |
| 20:44.53 | wols | how do you connect? gsm with bad connection? HAM radio? |
| 20:45.07 | karsten | erm.. ramanK 900 bps or *K*bps? |
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| 20:45.14 | ramanK | bps |
| 20:45.22 | drbair_work | blubberdiblub: sorry... I got distracted by a notebook. I have problems when the term is xterm |
| 20:45.23 | karsten | ramanK: Um. Using what HW? |
| 20:45.24 | wols | ramanK: how do you connect? |
| 20:45.35 | ramanK | dial up |
| 20:45.44 | karsten | ramanK: At *900* baud? |
| 20:45.54 | wols | not even dialup runs at 900 bits per seond. |
| 20:45.55 | drbair_work | blubberdiblub: if I SSH from a real terminal it works OK |
| 20:46.04 | karsten | ramanK: 1987 called, it wants its modem back. |
| 20:46.19 | argonic | wols: could do if you had a really noisy line |
| 20:46.37 | ramanK | so, what can I do? |
| 20:46.38 | argonic | ramanK: you must be outside the US? |
| 20:46.46 | ramanK | yeah |
| 20:46.47 | blubberdiblub | agentx0r: sure, if you list tomcat and mysql as "depends" packages, apt-get as well as aptitude (and other sane package management tools) will offer to install tomcat and mysql packages when requested to install your packages. in that case your package can only be installed normally, if one accepts to install mysql and tomcat as well, which should be a good thing, if those two are requirements for your application |
| 20:46.50 | valdyn | argonic: haha |
| 20:47.01 | karsten | ramanK: My suggestion would be: 1: buy a DVD-ROM drive or 2: aquire a set of Debian install CDs. |
| 20:47.05 | wols | argonic: iran |
| 20:47.06 | argonic | too bad, inside the US you can use a federal law to make the phone line bring you up to Fax speed |
| 20:47.09 | karsten | argonic: Singapore or thereabouts. |
| 20:47.28 | abrotman | karsten: .tr based on IP ? |
| 20:47.29 | wols | karsten: .ir |
| 20:47.31 | karsten | argonic: Iran. |
| 20:47.33 | agentx0r | blubberdiblub, alright, that's what i thought. thanks a lot |
| 20:47.33 | abrotman | oh well |
| 20:47.45 | wols | abrotman: whois is a wonderful prorgam |
| 20:47.49 | wols | usually it doesn't even lie! |
| 20:47.50 | abrotman | wols: i guessed! |
| 20:47.55 | karsten | wols: ... as is mtr. |
| 20:47.56 | abrotman | i didn't need a program to be wrong! |
| 20:48.03 | argonic | Well, IP addresses can lie. :) |
| 20:48.17 | unlink | never |
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| 20:48.22 | wols | argonic: people rarely bounce irc from iran of all palces :) |
| 20:48.31 | cottima | is it safe to install an unstable package on a stable etch? |
| 20:48.35 | ramanK | I'm from Iran, please give me a solution |
| 20:48.35 | abrotman | no |
| 20:48.36 | wols | cottima: no |
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| 20:48.43 | blubberdiblub | drbair_work: what would be the other case then? what are your ssh'ing from when it fails to work correctly? |
| 20:48.47 | wols | ramanK: karsten gave you one. it's the easiest |
| 20:48.51 | wols | and probably cheapest too |
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| 20:49.04 | karsten | !rube goldberg install |
| 20:49.04 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 20:49.19 | lvh | hi |
| 20:49.20 | abrotman | my first debian install was on a .. either 2400 or 14400 modem .. when apt didn't support resume |
| 20:49.20 | valdyn | ramanK: you can get sattelite internet in iran too, if you can afford that |
| 20:49.22 | wintix | can someone point met at some syntax documentation of regular expressions for idiots or something? i can't seem to get the hang of it. |
| 20:49.33 | abrotman | wintix: google? |
| 20:49.36 | abrotman | !regex |
| 20:49.36 | dpkg | from memory, regex is ^[$%]?s/.*[^\\\\\\\\]/.*?:(?:\\\\\\\\)*/[i]?$, or |
| 20:49.39 | nvz | karsten: i think a usb dot matrix and a punch card reader beats a 900 baud modem |
| 20:49.41 | abrotman | dpkg: that sucked |
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| 20:49.50 | argonic | wintix: http://www.articlecity.com/articles/web_design_and_development/article_360.shtml |
| 20:50.07 | karsten | ramanK: Basically: you're in a pretty marginal edge case for installations, yes, it's possible for you to work with what you've got, but there are several things you can do to make the prospects much, much better (faster net, appropriate media, appropriate hardware), and our benefit in walking you through a tedious process is relatively low. |
| 20:50.08 | argonic | wintix: Or google for regex coach |
| 20:50.17 | wintix | abrotman: if i would have found something understandable, i wouldn't have come here for help :) |
| 20:50.24 | wintix | argonic: i will try that, thanks. |
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| 20:50.34 | argonic | wintix: Or buy the ORA book "Mastering Regular Expressions" |
| 20:50.36 | karsten | nvz: You neglected to to note the fact that his ISP times him out every 15 minutes. |
| 20:50.41 | euthyrox_lover | I have Question: my xorg.conf has two Section "Device" - is it correct? One is ati, another is fglrx. |
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| 20:50.46 | karsten | nvz: ... which he's probably neglected to tell us yet. |
| 20:50.55 | valdyn | euthyrox_lover: probably not |
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| 20:51.08 | unlink | karsten: pretty hard to say |
| 20:51.12 | lvh | wintix: if you don't mind spending money, I found the Mastering Regular Expressions book from O'Reilly quite enlightening |
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| 20:51.14 | euthyrox_lover | valdyn, also, I have to section "Monitor" :))) |
| 20:51.15 | valdyn | euthyrox_lover: unless you have 2 ati cards, one driven by the ati, one by the fglrx driver |
| 20:51.17 | karsten | nvz: ... or were you saying cards would be *easier* to deal with? |
| 20:51.23 | agentx0r | if i don't need a section in my control file, do i omit it, or not give it a value? |
| 20:51.28 | nvz | karsten: yeah well regaurdless paper beats rock, and thats a rock :P |
| 20:51.36 | nvz | karsten: yes thats what I was saying |
| 20:51.39 | agentx0r | such as "replaces" or "conflicts" |
| 20:51.42 | argonic | wintix: You can usually find quite reasonably priced versions of the First Edition of it |
| 20:51.56 | valdyn | euthyrox_lover: you display section specifies which card and monitor to use, doesnt matter how many of those you have |
| 20:52.01 | Knight_Lord | I'm having a strange problem with scp. I'm copying a 46GB between 2 computers with scp, and they have different sizes on both computers (as seen by du). Also md5sum give different results. Can anyone help me explain this? |
| 20:52.01 | ramanK | thanks |
| 20:52.05 | ramanK | :( |
| 20:52.06 | karsten | ramanK: The other option would be if you were highly knowledgeable about Linux already, which I suspect you're not, which again works against us walking you through the complex case. |
| 20:52.10 | wintix | lvh, argonic: seems like i'm going to buy a book. |
| 20:52.18 | wintix | thanks for the hints. |
| 20:52.25 | argonic | wintix: It |
| 20:52.30 | lvh | wintix: yeah, sorry, it really is worth it though |
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| 20:52.33 | argonic | wintix: It's one of the better books on my shelf. |
| 20:52.43 | lvh | wintix: i love using obscure regexps in perl |
| 20:52.59 | karsten | ramanK: I've done modem installs, but at 56K, which is markedly more feasible. First post-install package grab typically runs overnight. |
| 20:53.01 | lvh | wintix: favourite comment: #yes, this works. i forgot why. |
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| 20:53.09 | wintix | :D |
| 20:53.10 | cottima | has anyone installed ltsp 5? |
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| 20:53.19 | euthyrox_lover | valdyn, there is no display section |
| 20:53.25 | SoulChild | Is there a way to tell network-manager about prefered W-LAN Networks ? |
| 20:53.37 | nvz | cottima: nope, not even the people who installed it |
| 20:53.45 | karsten | !anyone |
| 20:53.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:53.51 | unlink | SoulChild: don't think so |
| 20:53.54 | jelly-home | Knight_Lord: slightly different size reported by du might be ok, but different md5sum is. there may be a number of reasons. |
| 20:53.55 | cottima | nvz ? |
| 20:53.56 | karsten | cottima: Note that LTSP is not Debian. |
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| 20:54.01 | valdyn | euthyrox_lover: oh, my bad, its the screen section |
| 20:54.03 | unlink | !sicco |
| 20:54.04 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 20:54.17 | karsten | cottima: ... which makes that question OT here. /query chanserv list *ltsp* |
| 20:54.25 | karsten | !ltsp |
| 20:54.26 | dpkg | methinks ltsp is the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org |
| 20:54.32 | ramanK | karsten, thanks,bye :( |
| 20:54.37 | karsten | ramanK: Good luck. |
| 20:54.37 | Knight_Lord | jelly-home: any suggestions? |
| 20:54.39 | lvh | speaking of which, is there a way to have ifupdown work nicely with both wired and wireless? I essentially want this: IF my wired is plugged in, prefer it always, if its not, i want full wireless roaming |
| 20:54.41 | h3sp4wn | The packages for it are in Debian so that cannot be offtopic |
| 20:54.51 | jelly-home | Knight_Lord: bad memory is one. |
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| 20:55.01 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: du lies |
| 20:55.02 | Knight_Lord | jelly-home: i have an extra clue. They not always end up with the same size |
| 20:55.08 | cottima | !ltsp |
| 20:55.09 | dpkg | methinks ltsp is the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org |
| 20:55.10 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: that's fine, you can use du to test a copy |
| 20:55.14 | leming | SoulChild, you can use the interfaces file (man interfaces) and the mapping support for an interface, combined with a script utilizing iwconfig and grep.. examples are provided in your distribution |
| 20:55.16 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: that's fine, you CANNOT use du to test a copy |
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| 20:55.22 | jelly-home | Knight_Lord: which OS and filesystem on the destination? |
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| 20:55.25 | lvh | i heard there are gui tools that do this but surely the magic behind it is availible in a daemon as well |
| 20:55.27 | DevilChaos | hey ho |
| 20:55.28 | cottima | karsten, I know that, but the new version is relies on the distro being used. |
| 20:55.31 | DevilChaos | hows everyone? |
| 20:55.41 | Knight_Lord | jelly-home: debian and xfs |
| 20:55.46 | h3sp4wn | !info ltsp-server |
| 20:55.50 | dpkg | ltsp-server: (Basic LTSP server environment), section misc, is extra. Version: 5.0.8debian2 (sid), Packaged size: 62 kB, Installed size: 596 kB |
| 20:55.53 | nvz | my buttocks is offtopic, and really its just the tops of my legs.. which I am gonna use to walk my ass somewhere to get some food |
| 20:55.58 | lvh | DevilChaos: psychotic? |
| 20:55.59 | euthyrox_lover | valdyn, section "screen" shows aticonfig-device, if in section "device" is ati and fglrx is it correct? I have debian lenny/sid |
| 20:56.10 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: there's diff, there's cmp, du is useless for this |
| 20:56.16 | xand | nvz: you appear to be eating with the wrong end |
| 20:56.24 | jelly-home | Knight_Lord: I have little experience with xfs but it's supposed to be decent; debian too. |
| 20:56.25 | DevilChaos | any people here know of a programme i can use for converting .bin files to .iso please? |
| 20:56.32 | Knight_Lord | valdyn: yes but if I copy twice and they arrive with different sizes, something is strange |
| 20:56.35 | ustunozgur | Hi, I'm trying to set up ATI proprietary drivers, but the ati one-liner fails, giving a GPL-incompatible error. Has anyone encountered this lately? |
| 20:56.39 | nvz | xand: takes co-operation |
| 20:56.41 | valdyn | euthyrox_lover: in section device there's an Identifier that is supposed to match |
| 20:56.49 | h3sp4wn | DevilChaos: bchunk |
| 20:56.56 | Knight_Lord | jelly-home: i'm checking if successive md5sum on both computers on the same file give the same result |
| 20:57.03 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: you dont understand - du does not do what you want |
| 20:57.15 | DevilChaos | sound thanks very much |
| 20:57.16 | jelly-home | Knight_Lord: that's a smart idea, right |
| 20:57.19 | Knight_Lord | valdyn: what do you mean? |
| 20:57.24 | euthyrox_lover | valdyn, so you cant answer if aticonfig-device means just "ati" in section device? :) |
| 20:57.37 | DevilChaos | h3sp4wn - much appreciated |
| 20:57.41 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 20:57.43 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: ls -ld /some/random/directory |
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| 20:57.51 | valdyn | euthyrox_lover: nope |
| 20:58.03 | karsten | DevilChaos: Best bet's to use a Windows ISO tool that creates ISOs in the first place. |
| 20:58.04 | euthyrox_lover | valdyn, where to seek the answer? |
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| 20:58.20 | Knight_Lord | valdyn: i know the size is not supposed to be the same on different computers, but it should be the same on the same computer and filesystem |
| 20:58.21 | karsten | cottima: Hrm. |
| 20:58.37 | valdyn | euthyrox_lover: the "Device" line in your screen section matches a Identifier line in a device section |
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| 20:59.14 | cottima | karsten: what does hrm mean? |
| 20:59.20 | karsten | cottima: I stand corrected. Yes, there are ltsp-client and ltsp-server packages in Debian. Good to know. |
| 20:59.31 | karsten | cottima: It means there's something caught in my throat. |
| 20:59.32 | euthyrox_lover | valdyn, but in section device its says "aticonfig-device" and in section device it says "ati"... |
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| 20:59.42 | valdyn | euthyrox_lover: so it doesnt match |
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| 20:59.53 | Knight_Lord | jelly-home: md5sum is giving different results on the receiving computer |
| 20:59.54 | OmnipotentEntity | hello, i'm having a minor crisis. |
| 20:59.56 | euthyrox_lover | valdyn, now I understand |
| 21:00.02 | karsten | OmnipotentEntity: We can fix that. |
| 21:00.03 | valdyn | !drxx Authority |
| 21:00.04 | dpkg | Authority: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 21:00.05 | OmnipotentEntity | all of my keymasks have been stolen |
| 21:00.07 | cottima | karsten: don't worry about it, |
| 21:00.13 | valdyn | euthyrox_lover: read what dpkg said |
| 21:00.18 | OmnipotentEntity | i can't shift or ctrl or alt |
| 21:00.26 | karsten | OmnipotentEntity: Have you reported this dastardly deed to the local constabulary? |
| 21:00.28 | lbt | Knight_Lord: what are you doing? |
| 21:00.36 | karsten | OmnipotentEntity: console or X? |
| 21:00.37 | cottima | ltsp project has royally sucked on documentation for ltsp 5. |
| 21:00.37 | blubberdiblub | lvh: unfortunately "ifup" doesn't seem to provide proper return codes on error, otherwise a simple shell script would be a good solution. it might be considerable, to set up weights for routing for the two interfaces, tho, so the wired one is chosen in preference automatically when it is up |
| 21:00.38 | OmnipotentEntity | x |
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| 21:00.54 | G0k | hey all is there some way to actually make debootstrap not install exim4? |
| 21:01.07 | G0k | because the ol' --exclude trick seems to be a cruel lie |
| 21:01.11 | Knight_Lord | lbt: doing md5sum twice on the same file |
| 21:01.18 | abrotman | G0k: why? |
| 21:01.23 | valdyn | G0k: why does this bother you enough to ask us? |
| 21:01.23 | karsten | OmnipotentEntity: xmodmap is your friend. |
| 21:01.25 | Knight_Lord | lbt: i'm trying to copy a file from one computer to the other by scp |
| 21:01.33 | valdyn | G0k: instead of replacing or removing exim4? |
| 21:01.35 | karsten | OmnipotentEntity: What your keymap is and where to find it I'm less sure. |
| 21:01.39 | agentx0r | blubberdiblub, if my package doesn't conflict/replace, do i leave those lines out, or do i give them blank values? |
| 21:01.41 | lbt | Knight_Lord: and the md5sum is different? |
| 21:01.46 | Knight_Lord | lbt: yes |
| 21:01.56 | Knight_Lord | 08a5d850d8e150fba4e5af76cf9e453e *old-david.tgz |
| 21:01.57 | Knight_Lord | giotto:/homes# md5sum -b old-david.tgz |
| 21:01.57 | Knight_Lord | a668b07daaa4d4735f28a4b2518be77b *old-david.tgz |
| 21:02.05 | OmnipotentEntity | karsten, it happened as i was running the following programs, beryl, pidgin, vmware, amarok, and firefox |
| 21:02.24 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: looks like the copy is different -> hardware issues |
| 21:02.29 | abrotman | beryl isn't even in debian! :) |
| 21:02.30 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: broken ram does that |
| 21:02.30 | JarJarBinks | G0k: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 and setup to deliver mail locally, if you are annoyed about exim4 delaying the bootprocess if you boot without network |
| 21:02.32 | blubberdiblub | agentx0r: i'm not really into packaging, sorry, but the best guess is probably leaving them out completely |
| 21:02.42 | agentx0r | alright good enough |
| 21:02.47 | Knight_Lord | valdyn: is there any RAM tester that doesn't require a reboot? |
| 21:02.49 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: or overclocked ram |
| 21:02.51 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 21:02.52 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 21:02.52 | G0k | i don't want my installation to include exim4, and the package seems to be broken some how, and I don't really care to spend time fixing it, so i was wondering if there was some trick to making debootstrap actually follow its --exclude arugment |
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| 21:02.55 | lbt | Knight_Lord: OK, was wondering about sparse files |
| 21:03.03 | abrotman | G0k: how is it broken? |
| 21:03.04 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: well, no, and memtest86 sucks for this |
| 21:03.18 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: memtest86 not finding errors does not mean at all that your ram works ok |
| 21:03.20 | lbt | Knight_Lord: that's a tar.gz though so shouldn't be sparse... |
| 21:03.20 | G0k | it seems to like install exim4-config...then fail in the middle of the installation |
| 21:03.27 | abrotman | G0k: after installation you can replace it with some other SMTP server |
| 21:03.31 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: memtest86 finding errors just confirms that its broken |
| 21:03.32 | leming | lvh, ifupdown scripts and mapping could solve your problem |
| 21:03.39 | G0k | i...really don't want an SMTP server at all |
| 21:03.43 | lbt | Knight_Lord: have you run out of disk space |
| 21:03.51 | G0k | this is for a little embedded computer |
| 21:04.24 | abrotman | you could try nullmailer .. which will route it elsewhere |
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| 21:04.49 | OmnipotentEntity | karsten, running xmodmap with no arguments yields shift, lock, control, mod1, mod2, mod3, mod4, mod5 on separated by newlines |
| 21:04.50 | JarJarBinks | or use procmail to pipe it in /dev/null |
| 21:05.07 | Knight_Lord | lbt: no i have plenty of disk |
| 21:05.16 | lbt | Knight_Lord: |
| 21:05.23 | blubberdiblub | agentx0r: as i see it, packages that i install which don't replace or conflict with anything don't provide such tags. which doesn't necessarily need to mean anything for packaging, but it's quite probable that that's the way you have to package them as well .. |
| 21:05.24 | abrotman | G0k: another option is to hack the d-i and replace exim with something you prefer |
| 21:05.29 | lbt | Knight_Lord: OK :) do you have rsync installed? |
| 21:05.43 | lbt | Knight_Lord: it will do checksums as it copies |
| 21:05.58 | Knight_Lord | lbt: but that's not gonna help |
| 21:06.10 | Knight_Lord | lbt: there's something fundamentally wrong on the receiver |
| 21:06.16 | karsten | OmnipotentEntity: You want to load a map file. I foreget where these are stored. |
| 21:06.19 | Knight_Lord | lbt: and yes i do have rsync |
| 21:06.20 | valdyn | i doubt rsync can cover up for broken hardware anyway |
| 21:06.29 | Knight_Lord | of course not |
| 21:06.34 | G0k | oh heh i think i see an issue....i think it breaks when hostname and /etc/hosts disagree |
| 21:06.36 | agentx0r | blubberdiblub, indeed. to me "provides" would indicate the dependencies as well because if you don't have them, you'll get them, no? it doesn't seem to be, though., |
| 21:06.40 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: compile a kernel |
| 21:06.47 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: there's also a memtest tool |
| 21:06.52 | Knight_Lord | valdyn: ok i'll give it a try |
| 21:06.57 | Knight_Lord | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:07.04 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: that tool cant test everything naturally, but most of your ram |
| 21:07.20 | valdyn | !info memtester |
| 21:07.23 | dpkg | memtester: (A utility for testing the memory subsystem), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.93.1-3.1 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
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| 21:08.05 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: "internal compile error" usually is a hardware issue |
| 21:08.07 | karsten | OmnipotentEntity: /usr/share/X11/xkb/keymap/ |
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| 21:08.30 | mptech_ | How would I install debian without a monitor, keyboard, or mouse on a computer with just blank drives? |
| 21:08.40 | OmnipotentEntity | someone paste me a less than so i can give karsten a heart. thanks a bunch. |
| 21:08.40 | mptech_ | is there a way to run the debian installer via SSH |
| 21:08.49 | karsten | mptech_: Serial or ssh. |
| 21:08.50 | lvh | how do i get ifupdown to bring my wired ethernet up and down when i plug in or plug out the interface? |
| 21:08.56 | abrotman | !sshinstall |
| 21:08.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, ssh install is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-miscellaneous, or http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 21:09.03 | valdyn | !ifplugd |
| 21:09.04 | dpkg | methinks ifplugd is a laptop users best friend. ifplugd is a daemon which will automatically configure your ethernet device when a cable is plugged in and automatically unconfigure it if the cable is pulled. |
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| 21:09.21 | karsten | mptech_: System has no capacity for adding a keyboard/mouse? |
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| 21:09.44 | mptech_ | karsten: I could |
| 21:10.11 | euthyrox | valdyn: my x just dead :) |
| 21:10.29 | blubberdiblub | agentx0r: hmm, well, "provides" means if package "wonderful" provides "super", it's like you can install wonderful instead of super, as wonderful has all the functionality of super as well. mostly, newer releases of packages which supersede older naming schemes use "provides". or multi-functionality packages which include all features of another package do as well. "provides" is usually an advanced features which "normal" p |
| 21:10.30 | blubberdiblub | ackages don't need |
| 21:10.37 | Knight_Lord | valdyn: any idea how long memtester usually takes per GB? |
| 21:10.39 | euthyrox | valdyn: also I cannot run x under my old xorg.conf |
| 21:11.01 | agentx0r | blubberdiblub, gotcha. thanks, very helpful |
| 21:11.07 | karsten | mptech_: You've read the installation guide? |
| 21:11.12 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: depends how severe your issue is |
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| 21:11.24 | karsten | mptech_: And what architecture? |
| 21:11.29 | Knight_Lord | Unable to malloc 2037383168 bytes. |
| 21:11.29 | Knight_Lord | Allocated 2033188864 bytes...trying mlock...Killed |
| 21:11.34 | Knight_Lord | valdyn: what does this means? |
| 21:11.45 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: slight overheating only giving a wrong read /read once in 1000 times is hard to find and takes more time |
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| 21:11.58 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: than an error that is found upon accessing an address the first time |
| 21:12.19 | karsten | mptech_: tftp / netboot is another option. |
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| 21:12.44 | karsten | mptech_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apb.html.en |
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| 21:12.59 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: so - the more serious your issue, the faster it would be found. On the other hand there's no way to proof that ram will always do the right thing |
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| 21:14.38 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: so, 1 sec or so for physical breakage, possibly forever for a slight overheating issue |
| 21:15.01 | Knight_Lord | valdyn: so does that error means bad RAM? |
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| 21:15.13 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: which error? |
| 21:15.30 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: do you have *some* background in maths to understand what im saying? |
| 21:15.36 | Knight_Lord | Allocated 2033188864 bytes...trying mlock...Killed |
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| 21:16.34 | Knight_Lord | It wasn't killed by me |
| 21:16.37 | blubberdiblub | agentx0r: on usual packages, you would use "depends" for packages your package absolutely needs to work, "recommends" for packages that are exceptionally useful to have as well - in order to extend the functionality of your package for example, but otherwise optional - and "suggests" for packages that you deem useful, but are really a matter of preference |
| 21:16.39 | helo | i installed firebird 2.0 from a tarball, which required libstdc++5, which i installed from the debian r4 dvds. the rest of the system had been installed using netinst... then i reinstalled my nvidia video card driver using nvidia's own install script... to get X to start i had to comment out the glx module, otherwise X would segfault instantly... now, using the vesa driver, whenever i try to start any app that is linked with something gl, it ins |
| 21:16.49 | helo | anyone know how to unfsck this system without a reinstall? |
| 21:16.50 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: you have 2G ram? |
| 21:16.56 | Knight_Lord | valdyn: yes |
| 21:17.02 | abrotman | helo: why are you using sarge ? |
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| 21:17.09 | agentx0r | blubberdiblub, i see |
| 21:17.12 | Knight_Lord | valdyn: maybe it was the memory allocator, that could be |
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| 21:17.16 | helo | abrotman: err... i'm not |
| 21:17.17 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: probably got killed because you ran out of ram |
| 21:17.21 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: kernel can do that |
| 21:17.22 | Knight_Lord | valdyn: good point |
| 21:17.30 | helo | abrotman: debian r4 is etch isn't it? |
| 21:17.32 | abrotman | helo: you mean 4.0r0 .. not r4 |
| 21:17.37 | helo | oh, sorry |
| 21:17.44 | abrotman | helo: etch has iceweasel already |
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| 21:18.12 | karsten | Knight_Lord: Troubleshooting hardware is largely a matter of guessing (hypothesizing) what might be wrong, testing that component (to the extent possible), isolating it (eg: replacing the suspect unit(s)), and re-running testing. You have to deal with both false positives and false negatives, as well as single- and multi-factor failures. |
| 21:18.18 | karsten | Knight_Lord: This is an art, not a science. |
| 21:18.21 | karsten | Knight_Lord: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/conspire/2006-December/002668.html |
| 21:18.22 | helo | abrotman: what about iceweasel? |
| 21:18.30 | abrotman | helo: it's basically FF2 |
| 21:18.36 | karsten | Knight_Lord: .. for a particular issue I helped out with and how we isolated it. |
| 21:18.42 | helo | firebird the database |
| 21:18.51 | Knight_Lord | karsten: thanks |
| 21:18.58 | abrotman | helo: i misread .. my silly mistake |
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| 21:19.02 | helo | heh np |
| 21:19.04 | Knight_Lord | karsten: the fact that i'm 10 time zones away from the server doesn't help :) |
| 21:19.07 | karsten | Knight_Lord: My recommendation: swap out or disable your RAM stick(s) one-by-one and rerun tests. Either you've got one or more bad RAM sticks, or something else, figuring out what is your problem. |
| 21:19.10 | abrotman | why does firebird require libstdc++5 ? |
| 21:19.13 | abrotman | that seems .. odd |
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| 21:19.15 | karsten | Knight_Lord: remote hands. Not my problem. |
| 21:19.26 | Knight_Lord | karsten: Yea i'll get remove hands :) |
| 21:19.29 | Knight_Lord | remote |
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| 21:19.41 | karsten | Knight_Lord: However, you can modify boot memory parameters to at least get some of the memory ruled out. |
| 21:19.43 | ProwL | :P |
| 21:19.46 | valdyn | i had overclocked ram seriously breaking things, memtest86 wouldnt find anything in days |
| 21:19.47 | karsten | Knight_Lord: eg: mem=<value> |
| 21:19.48 | helo | abrotman: probably to allow easy migration for 1.5 installs, many of which have been running for a long while on older systems |
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| 21:20.12 | bkw_ | Why are my nic interfaces numbered from 4-7 instead of 0-3? |
| 21:20.28 | Knight_Lord | karsten: ok thanks |
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| 21:20.47 | karsten | Knight_Lord: I've personally seen memtest86+ fail to detect bad RAM (as in the story above) or show memory issues for what were in fact bad capacitors. Visual inspection of equipment is very valuable. |
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| 21:21.30 | abrotman | helo: that'd be really old IIRC |
| 21:22.27 | valdyn | bkw_: read /etc/udev/rules.d/ z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 21:22.32 | valdyn | bkw_: read /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 21:22.55 | karsten | bkw_: NIC inflation |
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| 21:27.26 | wykis | How do I add user 'wed' to group 'video' ? |
| 21:28.21 | wykis | usermod -a -G video wed <- tihs doesn't do the job as wanted :\ |
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| 21:28.37 | wykis | wait, it does :D |
| 21:28.52 | helo | abrotman: any idea what i should reinstall to try to fix this system? |
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| 21:29.06 | cirrus_ | Hello, is there a package to do statistics on the mailserver (exim4/courier-imap-ssl)? |
| 21:30.05 | blubberdiblub | wykis: i'd prefer "adduser wed video" instead |
| 21:30.16 | helo | abrotman: i wouldn't be opposed to forcing a reinstall of almost everything, just to avoid the hassle of wiping clean and reinstalling from cd |
| 21:30.22 | wykis | thx blubberdiblub |
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| 21:31.00 | helo | root: ur 0wn0r3d |
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| 21:32.05 | Ankman | is there delphi for linux? |
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| 21:33.22 | helo | is it a definitive indication of system compromise if the output of 'last -ad' contains dozens of different IPs ending in .0 that are completely unknown? |
| 21:33.24 | nick58b | Ankman: Kylix? |
| 21:33.34 | helo | i've never seen addresses ending in .0 from last... |
| 21:33.37 | agentx0r | does Installed-Size count dependencies, or just my package? |
| 21:33.54 | blubberdiblub | agentx0r: just your package |
| 21:34.19 | Ankman | nick58b: seems so |
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| 21:34.26 | agentx0r | thanks. i checked the docs, it didn't mention |
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| 21:36.21 | blubberdiblub | agentx0r: the depended-upon packages all provide their own installed-size which the package system adds up automatically, so no need to worry about other packages apart from depending on them (and possibly a more specific version, if you have more specific requirements on that) |
| 21:36.43 | agentx0r | oh i see. makes sense |
| 21:37.28 | abrotman | helo: what if you purge the libstdc++5 ? |
| 21:37.55 | evilbulgarian | hi, what is a good mysql query analizer for linux? |
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| 21:41.50 | solemnwarning | For some reason I can't SSH to a Debian box's IP |
| 21:42.02 | solemnwarning | I can SSH to localhost from a local console, but not to it's IP |
| 21:42.16 | solemnwarning | There's no firewall and sshd is listening on 0.0.0.0, any ideas? |
| 21:42.19 | mrsn0 | solemnwarning is there a router in front of the debian box? maybe you need to forward a rule |
| 21:42.24 | solemnwarning | No |
| 21:42.35 | mrsn0 | does a nmap port scan show ssh open ? |
| 21:42.44 | mrsn0 | from an external machine |
| 21:42.46 | solemnwarning | I can't even fo ssh 10.2.0.2 from the local console |
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| 21:42.58 | solemnwarning | It's open |
| 21:43.07 | solemnwarning | I can connect to it, but sshd doesn't respond |
| 21:43.11 | mrsn0 | anything in the auth.log perhaps ? |
| 21:43.15 | solemnwarning | It forks a new sshd and just sits there |
| 21:43.17 | solemnwarning | Nope |
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| 21:43.47 | solemnwarning | If I netcat to the SSH port I get the normal SSH banner thing |
| 21:44.06 | mrsn0 | and the user you tested locally/externally is the same username? |
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| 21:44.11 | solemnwarning | Yeah |
| 21:44.19 | mrsn0 | if there is nothing in the auth.log then im not sure its an authentication problem/keys/pam etc |
| 21:44.25 | solemnwarning | Nothing |
| 21:44.39 | mrsn0 | and im assuming the debian box is online, pingable and has correct gateway etc |
| 21:44.44 | solemnwarning | Yes |
| 21:45.00 | mrsn0 | sorry im out of ideas then :-) |
| 21:45.06 | mrsn0 | sounds strange indeed |
| 21:45.08 | solemnwarning | It's somthing to do with sshd |
| 21:45.28 | solemnwarning | strace shows sshd forking a new process to handle the connection, but it sends the start thing and just sits there |
| 21:45.33 | blubberdiblub | solemnwarning: might be a configuration problem in /etc/ssh/sshd_config then |
| 21:45.42 | mrsn0 | maybe the listen address? |
| 21:45.45 | solemnwarning | ssh to localhost or 127.0.0.1 works fine |
| 21:45.56 | mrsn0 | just checking mine and it hasn't actually got listen address uncommented |
| 21:46.00 | solemnwarning | I already said it was listening on 0.0.0.0, and if sshd forks the process..... |
| 21:46.03 | roby | Anyone knoww hy 'od' command may be reversing every two bytes in a binary file during hex output? i.e. `od -x -N 2 file.bin` outputs "0000000 40f1" but the file actually is "0000000 f140" |
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| 21:48.09 | blubberdiblub | roby: i always use "hexdump" in the package bsdmainutils, does that give the same problems? if so, the file may actually be byteswapped itself |
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| 21:48.19 | Kruser | hi all |
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| 21:49.27 | pickcoder | looks like amavis-stats is still broken with rrd_tool |
| 21:49.32 | Kruser | someone here who wants to help me with my software raid5 ? |
| 21:50.31 | wols | Kruser: ask your real questin, don't pussyfoot |
| 21:51.49 | Kruser | i want to grow my raid 5 , and add one new hard disk, i´ve saved the datas and so i want to delete the old one and create a new one with 4 hd´s instead of 3hd´s |
| 21:52.09 | blubberdiblub | solemnwarning: or have you tried deleting (or rather: renaming to a backup name) ~/.ssh/known_hosts of the user you're logging in to, and re-allowing that host at the next login? i don't know if known_hosts lists negative entries, but if so, that may have an offending entry right now |
| 21:52.31 | Kruser | but how can delete the old array, so that i can create a complete new one |
| 21:53.08 | solemnwarning | blubberdiblub: Still no good |
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| 21:56.38 | lbt | Kruser: what kernel are you running? The latest kernels+mdadm will let you do this online |
| 21:56.45 | rahul | nautiazn85: man adduser |
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| 21:57.04 | Kruser | i have the 2.6 working |
| 21:57.11 | raf | d |
| 21:57.13 | raf | d |
| 21:57.14 | raf | ù |
| 21:57.16 | raf | d |
| 21:57.17 | lbt | Kruser: 2.6.?? |
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| 21:57.41 | blubberdiblub | solemnwarning: maybe you'd like to compare your sshd's config with mine ( http://www.pastebin.ca/577402 ), that might provide a hint. |
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| 21:58.13 | Kruser | lbt, how can i find this out ? |
| 21:58.18 | solemnwarning | This is odd |
| 21:58.27 | solemnwarning | It just connected |
| 21:58.27 | lbt | Kruser: uname -a |
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| 21:58.43 | solemnwarning | It seems it takes FOREVER to initiate a connection to the machines IP |
| 21:58.46 | solemnwarning | Even from the machine |
| 21:58.53 | Kruser | 2.6.8-3-k7 |
| 21:58.55 | solemnwarning | ping is fine |
| 21:59.07 | lbt | Kruser: not new enough 2.6.17+ |
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| 21:59.24 | blubberdiblub | solemnwarning: some iptables/netfilter rules, that could be the offenders? |
| 21:59.30 | solemnwarning | nope |
| 21:59.34 | Kruser | lbt: it would be enougth to delete the old array and create a new one, but how ? |
| 21:59.35 | cafecubita | hi, i'm trying to install the ntfs-3g driver on my debian box, i'm using debian 4.0r0 netinst and that package only exists in testing, i also want the latest stable version of the ntfs-3g driver |
| 21:59.36 | solemnwarning | No firewall, it accepts all |
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| 21:59.59 | Kruser | i have tried this, but now he only trie to recovery the 4th hd |
| 22:00.21 | lbt | Kruser: you need to stop the old array : mdadm -S /dev/md<X> |
| 22:00.33 | cafecubita | i downloaded the source for ntfs-4g and for fuse from their respective sites |
| 22:00.36 | Kruser | k and then ? |
| 22:00.39 | solemnwarning | Hmm |
| 22:00.46 | lbt | Kruser: then you just build a new one... |
| 22:00.49 | blubberdiblub | solemnwarning: you're not running ldap, coincidentally? (or just have some ldap-related packages installed by chance) |
| 22:00.49 | solemnwarning | It's not connecting to ftp.uk.debian.org either |
| 22:00.53 | solemnwarning | Nope |
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| 22:00.59 | stew | cafecubita: i'd recommend backporting debian packages instead of compiling upstream sources, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:01.00 | solemnwarning | It's a stock Debian install with sshd running |
| 22:01.03 | Kruser | lbt: and the old one will be overwritten ? |
| 22:01.04 | soenke | hi |
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| 22:01.30 | lbt | mdadm --build /dev/md0 --level=5 -n4 .... |
| 22:01.31 | lbt | yes |
| 22:01.43 | lbt | it will destroy all data |
| 22:01.50 | lbt | on those partitions -yes? |
| 22:01.57 | Hotwire | stew: do you not think that apt-pinning is a better solution? |
| 22:02.13 | soenke | ough, <= has a software raid question, too :D |
| 22:02.19 | stew | Hotwire: absolutely not. you can't mix stable packages with non-stable |
| 22:02.24 | abrotman | soenke: get in line! |
| 22:02.41 | Kruser | ive created the last array with mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=5 ....... |
| 22:02.44 | stew | !depends ntfs-3g testing |
| 22:02.47 | dpkg | ntfs-3g: pre-depends on fuse-utils |
| 22:02.55 | stew | bah, there's more than that |
| 22:03.04 | mmlj4 | well, you can, it's just not sane to do so |
| 22:03.06 | abrotman | Hotwire: you'd end up pulling large chunks of unstable |
| 22:03.12 | teekay_ | hey |
| 22:03.15 | abrotman | or testing .. whatever you tried to mix |
| 22:03.28 | Kruser | thx. lbt. i will try |
| 22:03.29 | stew | Hotwire: it would trigger a libc6 upgrade. and libc6 being very much core and having non-versioned symbols is a particularly bad one to upgrade |
| 22:03.37 | blubberdiblub | solemnwarning: i'm out of ideas then ... i'd say the nic-driver-module, but that's not sensible, since linux' routing to local ips of interfaces usually circumvents drivers and does it locally directly |
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| 22:03.42 | mickky_ | hi |
| 22:03.53 | abrotman | stew: you make it sound like things would randomly break ... |
| 22:04.03 | lbt | linux-raid.osdl.org |
| 22:04.06 | cafecubita | stew: i'd like to stay in stable and not mix with unstable/testing, i've never done backporting, but i will look it up and try to figure it out |
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| 22:04.31 | nitro4ce | which browser do you think is better? firefox or opera? |
| 22:04.45 | omri | can grub boot off a mass storage device? |
| 22:04.46 | Hotwire | well, it looks like a was very very wrong. You learn something new everyday :D |
| 22:05.02 | Kruser | thx lbt, i try it |
| 22:05.03 | stew | cafecubita: backporting would be running a similar version of ntfs-3g, but would get the benefit of the debian packaging, and would keep your package management informed of what is installed instead of going behind its back |
| 22:05.06 | soenke | i "upgraded" from fedora to etch. now the kernel does not autodetected my software raid correctly anymore. the raid should be hde1, hdf1, hdg1, hdh1 and fdisk shows me this partitions as "linux raid autostart". but the device files aren't there (no dev/hdx1, just /dev/hdx (no partition number)). the kernel tries to assemble the raid with the plain devices and not with the partition devices ... can you guess why the devices files aren't there? |
| 22:05.20 | mickky_ | how can i install nslookup in my sarge?? i put apt-get install and nothing, what is the name of package??? |
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| 22:05.57 | h3sp4wn | dnsutils ? |
| 22:05.59 | stew | mickky_: "/msg dpkg search" for info on how to find out that it is in the dnsutils package |
| 22:07.03 | cafecubita | stew: that is exactly what my intention was, one time i compiled some packages from the source on their site (./configure make...) and then it was hard to get rid of them/update them |
| 22:07.22 | mickky_ | [stew] thanks |
| 22:07.40 | lbt | soenke: doesn't sound like a raid problem - maybe udev? |
| 22:08.19 | lbt | soenke: can you do a manual assemble? |
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| 22:09.12 | Kruser | lbt: now he said 2 discs are two small, how can this be ? |
| 22:09.17 | blubberdiblub | soenke: the partitions are supposed to show up anyways -- that is, if the kernel recognizes the partition tables |
| 22:09.19 | soenke | lbt: i tried to assemble manually. the prob is that /dev/hd[efgh]1 does not exist as file (although fdisk shows it) |
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| 22:09.59 | lbt | soenke: blockdev --rereadpt /dev/hde |
| 22:10.21 | lbt | Kruser: use cfdisk and make sure the disks are the same size. |
| 22:10.50 | lbt | Kruser: it's often a good idea to make partitions that are a bit smaller than the disk |
| 22:10.51 | Kruser | must they have exactly the same size ? |
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| 22:11.11 | lbt | Kruser: yes - well, not *really* but yes it's better :) |
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| 22:11.25 | soenke | yeah thanks lbt now it recognizes the partition |
| 22:11.25 | Kruser | i use partitions and befor i addet the 4th disc it works with 3 discs |
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| 22:11.38 | soenke | but why didnÄt it before? |
| 22:11.55 | lbt | it helps to use partitions because if you have to swap a disk it may be a few sectors smaller :( |
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| 22:12.22 | Kruser | mom, i proof the size |
| 22:12.23 | lbt | Kruser: so see how big the partition is on disk 4 |
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| 22:12.38 | euthyrox_lover | What tool do I need for connecting with my shell account on www ? |
| 22:12.43 | lbt | then delete the parts on 1-3 and remake them the same size as the part on disk 4 |
| 22:13.04 | stew | euthyrox_lover: what do you mean exactly? |
| 22:13.09 | lbt | soenke: what would worry me is why they weren't there in the first place..? |
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| 22:13.19 | soenke | lbt: and now also the raid works again. do you know why the kernel did not recognized the partitions at startup? |
| 22:13.20 | Kruser | ah k , mom i try it |
| 22:13.28 | blubberdiblub | euthyrox_lover: do you mean web browsing? you could try lynx, elinks, links2 or w3m |
| 22:13.29 | euthyrox_lover | stew I need to configure few things in mysql and perl |
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| 22:13.53 | stew | euthyrox_lover: you have a webserver, and you want to know how to login? |
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| 22:14.13 | lbt | soenke: you'd have to scan your dmesg to see - have you repartitioned since you rebooted? |
| 22:14.13 | binux | hi guys |
| 22:14.21 | euthyrox_lover | stew yes, I am totaly green, never do such a things |
| 22:14.40 | lbt | soenke: no, 'cos this was an old raid... hmm dunno.... |
| 22:14.44 | binux | i have a strange problem... |
| 22:15.08 | Gryfelhase | euthyrox_lover: You need a webrowser like lynx |
| 22:15.09 | binux | when i start asterisk it create this file |
| 22:15.10 | binux | debian:/proc# cat /var/run/asterisk/asterisk.pid |
| 22:15.11 | binux | 5895 |
| 22:15.12 | soenke | lbt: i have an idea. before the raid on the hdx1 partitions i had another raid on plain hdx devices. maybe the kernel recognizes the old raid (i assume this because it build a 3 disk raid what was my old config) and does not scan for partitions anymore?! |
| 22:15.17 | Gryfelhase | if this was your question |
| 22:15.31 | lbt | have you got an out-of-date /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 22:15.33 | soenke | lbt: i didn't partion anything ;) |
| 22:15.43 | soenke | maybe |
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| 22:15.54 | binux | but |
| 22:15.55 | soenke | it's untouched since install |
| 22:15.56 | binux | debian:/proc# ls |grep 5895 |
| 22:15.57 | binux | debian:/proc# |
| 22:15.57 | lbt | soenke: it does but you need to be explicit I think |
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| 22:16.12 | binux | why in /proc there is 5895 pid? |
| 22:16.18 | stew | euthyrox_lover: can you ssh in? |
| 22:16.31 | LordVorp | how do I convince a kernel install to automatically generate an initrd? I've been chasing tips and ideas but I haven't gotten it to work ONCE. |
| 22:16.48 | stew | LordVorp: did you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 22:16.51 | LordVorp | nor does dpkg-reconfigure linux-`uname -r` do anything |
| 22:16.52 | euthyrox_lover | stew I dont know ;) |
| 22:16.52 | LordVorp | yes |
| 22:17.03 | stew | euthyrox_lover: this is a question for the server administrator then |
| 22:17.17 | binux | please anyone can help me' |
| 22:17.18 | binux | ? |
| 22:17.20 | stew | LordVorp: did you use make-kpkg to compile it? |
| 22:17.21 | soenke | lbt: ok, do you have a quick instruction what to change in mdadm.conf? the UUID? |
| 22:17.25 | LordVorp | stew: I did, after prepping I built with: make-kpkg clean; fakeroot make deb-pkg |
| 22:17.37 | stew | LordVorp: did you pass the --initrd option to make-kpkg? |
| 22:17.58 | blubberdiblub | binux: programs usually run as processes, and as such, they are assigned a process id (short: pid). and that normally shows up under /proc/ |
| 22:18.32 | LordVorp | stew: i don't see make-kpkg in what I did, I seem to have used fakeroot. how would YOU do it? |
| 22:18.43 | lbt | soenke: you have DEVICE=partitions? |
| 22:18.44 | euthyrox_lover | stew ok, I will ask him ;> |
| 22:18.57 | lbt | and ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid5 num-devices=??? UUID=??? |
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| 22:19.02 | stew | LordVorp: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 22:19.03 | LordVorp | all the docs suggest that dpkg should call mkinitrd(or whatever) automatically at kernel install time. |
| 22:19.14 | binux | blubberdiblub: and why whene i start asterisk it didn't shows in /proc/? |
| 22:19.26 | stew | LordVorp: yes, dpkg should call mkinitrd if make-kpkg was given the --initrd option when building the kernel package |
| 22:19.31 | lbt | use mdadm --detail /dev/md<X> |
| 22:19.38 | lbt | to get the new UUID |
| 22:19.38 | Mr-R | binux: looks like your asterisk-process dies. maybe there are more information in /var/log? (syslog/messages or asterisk)? |
| 22:19.39 | LordVorp | stew: ah great. got it. |
| 22:19.45 | soenke | oked |
| 22:19.56 | blubberdiblub | binux: oh, it did not? what does "ps -Af | grep -i asterisk" give? any output? |
| 22:20.25 | stew | LordVorp: if you didn't pass the --initrd option, you'll have to build the initrd by hand (and to do that mkinitramfs from initramfs-tools is recommended not mkinitrd from initrd-tools) |
| 22:20.35 | binux | ps -Af | grep -i asterisk |
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| 22:20.44 | binux | root 5936 3269 0 00:00 pts/0 00:00:00 grep -i asterisk |
| 22:20.49 | LordVorp | stew that's old hat I've been DOING that, was wondering why my kernels didn't do it automatically like the docs said |
| 22:21.17 | soenke | lbt: looks good, rebooting and checking ... ;) |
| 22:21.18 | blubberdiblub | binux: then asterisk doesn't seem to run ... any error messages in your /var/log/syslog concerning asterisk? |
| 22:21.37 | LordVorp | this "kp mantra" looks like it builds a kernel AND a modules .deb ... do I read that right? |
| 22:21.48 | OmnipotentEntity | karsten: thanks for your assistance, I finally got it figured out, and as an FYI, xkeycaps is a far simpler way to go about getting this fixed. |
| 22:22.17 | karsten | OmnipotentEntity: OK. |
| 22:22.25 | h3sp4wn | LordVorp: Thats just to make it a fits all |
| 22:22.26 | binux | blubberdiblub: in syslog there isn't anything concerning asterisk |
| 22:22.33 | binux | when i start it |
| 22:22.34 | binux | debian:/proc# /etc/init.d/asterisk start |
| 22:22.35 | binux | Starting Asterisk PBX: asterisk. |
| 22:22.35 | binux | debian:/proc# |
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| 22:22.38 | karsten | OmnipotentEntity: Once you've got the keymap you want you can save it and load it with xmodmap. |
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| 22:22.49 | karsten | !tell binux about paster |
| 22:22.50 | LordVorp | h3sp4wn: so if I drop the "modules_image", would I get my monolithic package back? |
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| 22:23.52 | h3sp4wn | LordVorp: modules_image would not build anything if you didn't have stuff in /usr/src/modules or any added modules |
| 22:24.13 | LordVorp | !! oh. heh, never done that. |
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| 22:24.38 | LordVorp | I've sometimes wondered at the recipe for building modules outside of the full kernel build, tho.. :) |
| 22:24.41 | blubberdiblub | binux: any separate log files, asterisk creates under /var/log/ ? maybe that show something helpful? |
| 22:25.33 | binux | blubberdiblub: there is /var/log/asterisk/messages |
| 22:25.44 | h3sp4wn | LordVorp: That is for debian packaged modules |
| 22:25.46 | soenke | lbt: did not work. after reboot the hdx1 device files weren't there again. but i can bring up the raid manually now. that's enough for the moment ;)) thanks for the great help!! |
| 22:25.53 | h3sp4wn | LordVorp: (like would be able to be built with module-assistant) |
| 22:25.55 | binux | this is the log when i try to start asterisk |
| 22:25.56 | binux | Jun 20 00:01:45 WARNING[5955] loader.c: /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/res_config_mysql.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:25.57 | binux | Jun 20 00:01:45 WARNING[5955] loader.c: Loading module res_config_mysql.so failed! |
| 22:26.39 | h3sp4wn | LordVorp: make -C /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build M=$(PWD) modules (you can build most stuff like that though for a running kernel) |
| 22:26.40 | LordVorp | h3sp4wn: heh, too much for me, I'm just happy I've finally managed to patch, configure, and build a kernel that, as of today, finally has *EVERYTHING* I need (for various obscure hardware) and very little of what I don't. |
| 22:27.00 | soenke | loop-aes running from an previous fedora, nice. out of the box. debian roxx. :) |
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| 22:27.06 | Grem | hi |
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| 22:27.12 | Kruser | lbt: now my server hanged up, printet n error with interrupt at the new hard drive, i try a restart |
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| 22:27.53 | Grem | installed latest netinstall today, apt-get install ipw3945 stuff, and got my wifi working.. now did a dist-upgrade to sid and wireless has gone :\ is this 'normal' ? |
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| 22:28.13 | blubberdiblub | binux: if you try "dpkg -S res_config_mysql.so", does it give any output? |
| 22:28.27 | h3sp4wn | Grem: uname -r |
| 22:28.54 | binux | blubbe: not found |
| 22:29.15 | Grem | h3sp4wn, I'm not on linux now. netinstall gave me 2.6.18-4, dist-upgrade to sid gave me 2.6.21-1 |
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| 22:29.35 | blubberdiblub | binux: that seems to be the problem them. you might try reinstalling the asterisk package |
| 22:29.41 | h3sp4wn | Grem: If you want the pre-build modules you will have to use 2.6.18-4 |
| 22:29.53 | LordVorp | whoa... patch_the_kernel ? |
| 22:30.02 | LordVorp | is that in /etc/kernel-img.* ? |
| 22:30.32 | h3sp4wn | Grem: (or you can build the new wireless drivers for 2.6.21 - http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=mac80211 ) |
| 22:30.44 | Grem | h3sp4wn, thanks alot :) |
| 22:31.06 | LordVorp | ooh, kernel-pkg.conf |
| 22:31.19 | h3sp4wn | Grem: (Don't know about how easily it will be to get those 2.6.18 ones working with a kernel so much newer) new ones are better anyway |
| 22:31.54 | Grem | h3sp4wn, yeah, hope I don't get into trouble building those |
| 22:32.10 | Mr-R | LordVorp: if you are building your own kernel, why do you want initrd? cant you just compile the needed drivers static and not as modules? |
| 22:32.24 | LordVorp | Grem: well, compiling them has been known to melt your hard drive platters out the bottom of your case... :) |
| 22:32.33 | Grem | haha |
| 22:32.48 | LordVorp | Mr-R: because uh... because that makes too much sense? |
| 22:33.00 | h3sp4wn | You get an annoying delay if you do that though |
| 22:33.16 | LordVorp | h3sp4wn: boot delay? while it inits everything even if it's not there? |
| 22:33.35 | Mr-R | LordVorp: sorry, i compiled kernels for a long time. and i could not get the sense of initrd for home build kernels... :) |
| 22:33.39 | Grem | one last thing, I got the ipw3945 but you linked me to the mac80211. is that right? |
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| 22:33.59 | h3sp4wn | Grem: You need mac80211 and iwlwifi |
| 22:34.00 | LordVorp | Mr-R: only because this kernel has to fit on at least 7 different machines |
| 22:34.05 | h3sp4wn | Grem: (same site) |
| 22:34.12 | Grem | h3sp4wn, yeah saw it :) thanks |
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| 22:34.30 | h3sp4wn | Grem: It gets rid of the crappy daemon amongst other stuff |
| 22:34.52 | Grem | nice |
| 22:34.54 | blubberdiblub | binux: if that doesn't help, i suggest you reinstall (or install, in the first place, if you haven't already) the package asterisk-rate-engine , which seems to include the dependencies on mysql |
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| 22:45.38 | Kruser | lbt: mdadm says my device is busy, what can be the failure ? |
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| 22:47.50 | euthyrox_lover | How to check ssh version client ? |
| 22:48.47 | epsilon | ssh -v? |
| 22:48.51 | binux | scusate la domanda cretina...cosa bisogna installare per il comando svn? |
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| 22:49.07 | epsilon | or -V in some tools |
| 22:49.19 | euthyrox_lover | epsilon, thanks, works |
| 22:51.09 | euthyrox_lover | epsilon my OpenSSH is old version, how to update it? |
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| 22:53.57 | epsilon | which version? |
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| 22:54.34 | euthyrox_lover | 4.3p2 |
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| 22:54.48 | euthyrox_lover | new one is 4.6p1 |
| 22:54.58 | epsilon | debian etch? |
| 22:55.06 | euthyrox_lover | lenny/sid |
| 22:55.24 | cafecubita | stew: backporting worked fine, thanks, i followed the instructions for fuse-utils, libfuse2, libntfs-3g2 and ntfs-3g, packages installed and i have r/w access to my external usb hard drive |
| 22:55.29 | wols | euthyrox_lover: you run lenny and don't know how to update packages? |
| 22:55.43 | epsilon | well 4.3p2 is the current version IN DEBIAN - if you want newest sh*t, ask the maintainer |
| 22:55.44 | pickcoder | euthyrox_lover: you probably won't be able to update just ssh.. depends need to be recent as well |
| 22:55.45 | euthyrox_lover | wols xD Im special user xD |
| 22:56.27 | wols | euthyrox_lover: why do you need a newer vresion? |
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| 22:56.44 | stew | cafecubita: good to hear. thanks for reporting back. hopefully soon backports.org will provide those packages for etch and one won't have to do it manually |
| 22:56.46 | epsilon | probably it's 0.3 too old |
| 22:56.47 | euthyrox_lover | wols well, nothing specialy, just in case to use manuals |
| 22:57.02 | demoncorsair | does debian support at76_usb |
| 22:57.07 | euthyrox_lover | wols I have never use ssh, and now I need it |
| 22:57.32 | pickcoder | euthyrox_lover: the use of ssh hasn't changed in years |
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| 22:57.54 | euthyrox_lover | pickcoder, good to know, as I said, I have never used SSH |
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| 22:58.13 | epsilon | euthyrox_lover: that you need 4.6something has possibility of 0.000.............01% |
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| 22:58.25 | epsilon | keep what debian provides you and you'll be happy |
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| 22:58.57 | pickcoder | !info ssh lenny |
| 22:59.01 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure shell client and server (transitional package)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:4.3p2-9 (lenny), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
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| 22:59.32 | pickcoder | !info ssh sid |
| 22:59.35 | dpkg | ssh: (secure shell client and server (transitional package)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:4.6p1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 22:59.46 | pickcoder | um.. 4.6 is still in unstable |
| 22:59.52 | qrck | is aptitude not available for sid ? |
| 23:00.01 | pickcoder | you shouldn't be running sid if you don't know how to upgrade packages |
| 23:00.06 | pickcoder | seriously.. |
| 23:00.19 | h3sp4wn | qrck: take it from experimental or downgrade apt back to 0.6.x |
| 23:00.20 | qrck | i installed it in chroot |
| 23:00.25 | qrck | seriously |
| 23:00.37 | pickcoder | qrck: I wasn't talking to you |
| 23:00.44 | qrck | but it complains about libapt-pkg-libc6-3-6-11 or so |
| 23:00.47 | qrck | ok |
| 23:00.57 | LordVorp | what's between etch and sid now? |
| 23:01.00 | LordVorp | eg testing |
| 23:01.01 | h3sp4wn | qrck: That is a virtual |
| 23:01.02 | ben_goodger | lenny |
| 23:01.03 | qrck | ah ok downgrading |
| 23:01.09 | euthyrox_lover | pickcoder, well, I`m also new user of linux... I just update from Eth to lenny/sid |
| 23:01.15 | pickcoder | LordVorp: /topic |
| 23:01.25 | pickcoder | euthyrox_lover: lenny is not sid |
| 23:01.29 | pickcoder | by any shot |
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| 23:01.52 | pickcoder | if you want the most recent software, you can run sid. However, it will break often. |
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| 23:02.25 | LordVorp | breaking isn't an option... so I build my own and install them into etch |
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| 23:02.38 | cafecubita | i now have read/write access to my external usb hard drive, i'm trying to export it via NFS, i can succesfully access my regular home directoy from a windows computer with microsoft services for unix installed, but i cannot access the mounted usb hard drive |
| 23:02.41 | qrck | is lenny more stable than sid ? |
| 23:02.48 | LordVorp | qrck: yes, by definition |
| 23:02.54 | euthyrox_lover | pickcoder, cat /etc/debian_version -> lenny/sid |
| 23:03.06 | qrck | i hear some of you tell the reverse |
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| 23:03.20 | h3sp4wn | qrck: maybe - now is not really a good time to be running lenny |
| 23:03.21 | pickcoder | euthyrox_lover: testing and unstable are not stable.. that's why it says that |
| 23:03.26 | LordVorp | qrck: sid is UNSTABLE and anything goes. lenny is TESTING, and stuff that's survived unstable goes there. |
| 23:03.37 | LordVorp | if it stays in lenny and survives, it gets into etch. |
| 23:03.37 | LordVorp | kinda |
| 23:03.48 | scrillaz | i run lenny without problems |
| 23:03.49 | qrck | ok |
| 23:03.50 | euthyrox_lover | pickcoder, so? |
| 23:03.51 | LordVorp | the process is like I named it,b ut the names of who is who changes. except sid. |
| 23:03.59 | euthyrox_lover | pickcoder, I have no problems with lenny/sid |
| 23:04.01 | pickcoder | euthyrox_lover: they are totally different release stages of the O/S |
| 23:04.12 | cafecubita | i can read/write from/to the drive while logged in via ssh, i have it exported with NFS, but windows refuses to mount it while mounting my regular home dir without complaining |
| 23:04.15 | Xenguy | qrck: I'm running lenny and all is well, but I'd recommend installing 'apt-listbugs'... |
| 23:04.37 | Xenguy | qrck: If I was to do it again, I'd stick with Stable for awhile before migrating to Testing |
| 23:04.38 | euthyrox_lover | pickcoder, I just wrote what my cat /etc/debian_version gives me back. I know only I had changed my repo from eth to lenny |
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| 23:04.51 | pickcoder | euthyrox_lover: then you are running Lenny.. not sid |
| 23:05.00 | qrck | Xenguy, i'm not gonna install lenny until i now which packages belong definetely to wich release.... |
| 23:05.03 | h3sp4wn | qrck: The only issue with lenny is the 10 day wait for things to enter it (as etch was just released there is quite a few stuff that is only half in) |
| 23:05.04 | cafecubita | maybe i'm not in the right channel for this question, but is there anything special to do with when mounting external ntfs usb hard drives via NFS? |
| 23:05.04 | euthyrox_lover | pickcoder, but cat /etc/debian-version gives me back lenny/sid |
| 23:05.11 | pickcoder | FFS man |
| 23:05.19 | qrck | Xenguy, got problems with the deps...and packages not found |
| 23:05.21 | pickcoder | it says that because they are not Etch/Stable |
| 23:05.31 | h3sp4wn | qrck: less of an issue as testing gets closer to release |
| 23:05.40 | Xenguy | qrck: If you haven't gone testing/unstable already, then stick with Stable I'd say - it's still nice and fresh :-) |
| 23:05.47 | pickcoder | euthyrox_lover: that is misleading |
| 23:05.50 | pickcoder | I will give you that |
| 23:05.54 | qrck | h3sp4wn, ok then i'll bootstrap first lenny yeah |
| 23:06.02 | qrck | that sound more reasonable |
| 23:06.07 | qrck | one step after another |
| 23:06.38 | qrck | i wonder why bootstrapping sid would fail |
| 23:06.55 | h3sp4wn | because aptitude is uninstallable in sid atm |
| 23:06.56 | pickcoder | euthyrox_lover: in early stages of testing, stuff filters down from unstable |
| 23:06.57 | euthyrox_lover | pickcoder, but what are you with? what do you want from me? you told me I shouldnt use lenny if I dont know how to update packages... why? I use GUI metacity, my gnome gives me a signs when new update are available... |
| 23:07.13 | pickcoder | euthyrox_lover: I said you shouldn't be running SID if you can't upgrade packages |
| 23:07.23 | qrck | yes i could not install aptitude, it depends on libapt-pkg-libc6-bla...and so on |
| 23:07.28 | euthyrox_lover | pickcoder, how to check if I am using sid ? |
| 23:07.39 | pickcoder | euthyrox_lover: you just told me you changed your sources.list to "lenny" |
| 23:07.45 | pickcoder | so you have to be using lenny |
| 23:07.53 | pickcoder | else it would be "unstable" |
| 23:08.10 | pickcoder | also.. you can check the libc6 version installed |
| 23:08.11 | Xenguy | I have a trivia question, here goes... I want to convert an HTML document into a PDF document *and retain the working hyperlinks*. 'htmldoc' will convert to PDF, but the hyperlinks get deactivated in the PDF :-( Any recommendations of a method or software I could use to maintain the hyperlinks? |
| 23:08.14 | Kruser | ever when i trie to create a new raid5 array he tries to recover my old one, what can i do ? |
| 23:08.18 | h3sp4wn | qrck: You could debootstrap lenny put apt on hold and then dist-upgrade to sid |
| 23:08.22 | euthyrox_lover | pickcoder, ofcors, ok... I understand, you just wanted to inform me that i shoudlnt be running sid if I cant upgrade packages yes? |
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| 23:08.44 | h3sp4wn | qrck: What exactly do you want from sid anyway |
| 23:08.44 | qrck | h3sp4wn, good to know thank you |
| 23:08.48 | euthyrox_lover | pickcoder, but I am not runing sid so there is no problem |
| 23:09.04 | qrck | h3sp4wn, i just wondered if it's bootable by itself... |
| 23:09.12 | pickcoder | euthyrox_lover: honestly.. no one should be running Sid unless they can compile the applications and create/submit patches |
| 23:09.36 | pickcoder | euthyrox_lover: no.. but you want the ssh package from sid |
| 23:09.37 | qrck | h3sp4wn, cause when i mixed releases some of them went fine, but then again upgrading some stuff would fail....so |
| 23:09.37 | beoba | hey, why is this in stable and unstable, but not in testing?: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?suite=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any§ion=all&case=insensitive&keywords=sylpheed-claws-gtk2&searchon=names |
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| 23:10.15 | qrck | i couldn't just tell which one's succeeded and which failed, sid or lenny atm |
| 23:10.22 | euthyrox_lover | pickcoder, not... I dont know if new packages are in sid. I was just asking where to find them. I didnt know that they are in sid... |
| 23:11.00 | qrck | trying to distuingish between those few.... |
| 23:11.21 | euthyrox_lover | pickcoder, thanks anyway... its good to know somebody intresting you ;) |
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| 23:12.07 | pickcoder | euthyrox_lover: this whole discussion started when you wanted to upgrade to ssh 4.6p1 |
| 23:12.15 | pickcoder | but at this point the discussion is moot |
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| 23:12.41 | pickcoder | you can only get it if you backport it from sid |
| 23:12.43 | euthyrox_lover | pickcoder, yes, but I didnt know actual version of Open SSH in debian lenny is 4.3p2 |
| 23:12.46 | BUMBACL0T | AMD Turion X2 or Core Duo w/ Centrino ? |
| 23:12.52 | euthyrox_lover | lol |
| 23:12.53 | BUMBACL0T | which one would you choose |
| 23:12.56 | BUMBACL0T | im talkin laptops here |
| 23:13.00 | pickcoder | even then it's not fully tested.. as it's still in unstable |
| 23:13.02 | euthyrox_lover | I dont want to get them if 4.3p2 is good for me |
| 23:13.18 | euthyrox_lover | pickcoder, you should drink much less coffy |
| 23:13.31 | pickcoder | Mt Dew |
| 23:13.42 | pickcoder | much more sugar and caffeine |
| 23:13.59 | euthyrox_lover | :) |
| 23:14.01 | stew | BUMBACL0T: afaik (and you should check me on this) the AMD uses less power, and therefore generates less heat and uses less battery. if that is actually true, i'd definately go with that one |
| 23:14.03 | euthyrox_lover | chears! |
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| 23:14.32 | euthyrox_lover | good night |
| 23:15.14 | pickcoder | gah.. I pull enough hair out here at work |
| 23:15.18 | exaboy | simple question. can someone tell me how i can get php to recognise postgres fucntions in cli mode. i have php-pg installed but that doesnt help the missing function issue |
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| 23:15.50 | h3sp4wn | beoba: /msg dpkg why is foo not in testing |
| 23:16.01 | h3sp4wn | beoba: (replace foo with whatever package |
| 23:16.38 | beoba | just did |
| 23:16.45 | beoba | its either pinging out or taking its time |
| 23:16.55 | beoba | i mean, isnt testing a middle ground between stable and unstable? |
| 23:16.58 | pickcoder | or you spelled the package wrong |
| 23:17.06 | pickcoder | +ly |
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| 23:17.35 | solemnwarning | I've just created a small distcc cluster on a dedicated 10/100 switch |
| 23:17.42 | h3sp4wn | !tell beoba about why is sylpheed-claws-gtk2 not in testing |
| 23:17.43 | beoba | nope, its right |
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| 23:17.56 | beoba | there it goes |
| 23:18.02 | solemnwarning | Would distcc hog all the network bandwidth if I run the cluster on my main switch? |
| 23:18.08 | solemnwarning | It's a gig eth btw |
| 23:18.15 | pickcoder | solemnwarning: does it do layer 2 or 3 |
| 23:18.34 | solemnwarning | Huh? |
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| 23:18.41 | pickcoder | your switch |
| 23:18.43 | helo_ | how can i reinstall every library package? |
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| 23:19.09 | helo_ | i have some serious issues with this system, an di'd rather just reinstall everything that could be causing the problem rather than try to track the problem down |
| 23:19.14 | fasta | Is there some better tool to handle configuration file changes at the end of the upgrade process? Especially merges. |
| 23:19.23 | helo_ | aptitude reinstall lib says there are more thatn 40... can i disable the limit? |
| 23:19.40 | solemnwarning | It's a crappy unmanaged switch |
| 23:19.48 | fasta | helo_: I have no idea what you are talking about. |
| 23:19.49 | mptech_ | How do I setup software RAID in the debian installer |
| 23:19.50 | mptech_ | ? |
| 23:19.53 | wimpies | Hi all, I wanted to update my debian system. One package (libc) fails because it requires 2.6 kernel. It says I should upgrade first. However because my apt-get update failed, I cannot install anything anymore. How can I recover from this deadlock ? |
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| 23:20.05 | pickcoder | solemnwarning: gig eth won't matter if the switch is 10/100 |
| 23:20.17 | exaboy | apt-get clean? |
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| 23:20.20 | pickcoder | the best you'll do is top speed of the slowest device connected to the switch |
| 23:20.21 | solemnwarning | The switch is gig eth |
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| 23:20.42 | solemnwarning | I'm thinking about running distcc on my gigabit main switch instead of my 10/100 dedicated so I can get more hosts on it |
| 23:20.48 | pickcoder | solemnwarning: I don't understand.. you just said the cluster is on a 10/100 switch |
| 23:20.53 | beoba | oh there we go |
| 23:20.55 | pickcoder | oh |
| 23:20.58 | solemnwarning | :) |
| 23:21.01 | wimpies | exaboy : no that does not help. libc is still in error blocking any install |
| 23:21.03 | beoba | looks like it was "removed temporarily for the gtk+2.0 transition" on the 9th |
| 23:21.11 | beoba | thanks |
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| 23:21.15 | exaboy | ok sorry |
| 23:21.25 | pickcoder | solemnwarning: there really isn't a difference if you cascade it or not, if they are unmanaged |
| 23:21.50 | solemnwarning | But will distcc cause a hit to the available network bandwidth |
| 23:21.56 | solemnwarning | Cascaded or not |
| 23:22.00 | exaboy | anyone here use php with postgresql on their debian boxes? |
| 23:22.15 | helo_ | anyone know how to reinstall all lib* packages? |
| 23:22.19 | pickcoder | cascaded will limit the bandwidth based on the uplink port |
| 23:22.27 | solemnwarning | Ah |
| 23:22.36 | pickcoder | if you just plug them all into the main gigabit swtich then you have shared bandwidth for all hosts |
| 23:22.38 | solemnwarning | Pretty useless in my case though :) |
| 23:22.52 | solemnwarning | My workstation and server, the fastest boxes are gig eth |
| 23:22.57 | solemnwarning | The other two are crappy 10/100 |
| 23:23.34 | solemnwarning | !dmucs |
| 23:23.49 | solemnwarning | I'm considering running DMUCS as well, anyone tried it? |
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| 23:25.30 | exaboy | i would like to stand up and say that i really love debian, its been the best distro to me. |
| 23:26.05 | pickcoder | solemnwarning: an unmanaged switch will provide full bandwidth between two ports, based on the slowest device involved in the discussion |
| 23:26.29 | solemnwarning | Yeah |
| 23:26.33 | solemnwarning | Networking 101 :) |
| 23:27.02 | pickcoder | does it matter one way or another if the cluster talks on the network? |
| 23:27.16 | solemnwarning | If it slows the network down, yeah :) |
| 23:27.25 | pickcoder | only if you saturate the link |
| 23:27.42 | solemnwarning | Hmm |
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| 23:28.03 | solemnwarning | Running distcc on my server which provides routing to my cable line won't make much diff will it? |
| 23:28.04 | fasta | exaboy: read the logs, you are not alone. |
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| 23:28.19 | pickcoder | or if you have a really cheap switch with a tiny amount of mapping and buffer memory |
| 23:28.57 | solemnwarning | Shit.... It's _belkin_ |
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| 23:29.15 | pickcoder | solemnwarning: your nic will probably be at the mercy of the switch, instead of the server |
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| 23:29.38 | pickcoder | check your bandwidth usage before you make assumptions |
| 23:29.52 | pickcoder | it may only be using a few hundred K/sec |
| 23:29.57 | solemnwarning | I guess |
| 23:29.58 | pickcoder | or less |
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| 23:30.25 | solemnwarning | When compiling CPU time is the bottleneck instead of LAN ^^ |
| 23:30.29 | solemnwarning | I hope |
| 23:31.02 | peterS | solemnwarning: nah, LAN would be a likely bottleneck, if you're using distcc |
| 23:31.15 | n3kl_ | How can I tell a tape drive to use compression? |
| 23:31.16 | wols | with today's cpus it could be disk i/o |
| 23:31.21 | cafuego | the cpou is usually main;ly waiting for new input, even when compiling. |
| 23:31.26 | solemnwarning | doh |
| 23:31.39 | cafuego | solemnwarning: that is what -j is for. |
| 23:32.19 | pickcoder | gotta fly.. bbl |
| 23:32.26 | cafuego | do a 'find . -type f -exec cat {} > /dev/null \;' in the source dir first to cache the source in ram :-) |
| 23:33.39 | DerbyD | hey, i am trying to dist-upgrade my sarge machine kernel-2.6.8-2 to etch, but trying to install kernel, keep saying that it doesn't find a suitable mkinitramfs tool, even with yaird and mkinitrd-tools installed |
| 23:33.56 | DerbyD | so, I couldn't manage to install new kernel |
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| 23:34.14 | DerbyD | do you know how to resolve this? |
| 23:34.58 | peterS | DerbyD: hmm - upgrade to the etch version of yaird or initramfs-tools before trying to install an etch kernel? |
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| 23:35.54 | brady | this question concerns firefox. I have an instance of ff running on the machine at which i sit. for various reasons i need to run a ff instance on another machine and export the display to the machine at which i sit. however, ff does not want to do this; instead ff opens a new window on the box at which i sit. please advise. |
| 23:36.03 | DerbyD | how to do that? my sources.lists is pointing to an etch repo, and trying to install the yaird does nothing, keep saying that the yaird is the last version |
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| 23:37.12 | peterS | DerbyD: what does 'dpkg -l yaird' report? is it the etch version? (0.0.12-20) |
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| 23:37.48 | peterS | DerbyD: errr, sorry, the etch version is 0.0.12-18 |
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| 23:38.39 | DerbyD | peterS: yes |
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| 23:38.49 | DerbyD | peterS: 0.0.12-18 |
| 23:39.14 | DerbyD | peterS: I just tried removing and reinstalling, nothing new :S |
| 23:39.24 | peterS | DerbyD: I don't know why an etch linux-image package would complain about that one, then. in any case you could try installing initramfs-tools instead |
| 23:39.29 | helo_ | aptitude -y install `dpkg -l|awk {print }` |
| 23:39.38 | helo_ | err print $2 |
| 23:39.44 | helo_ | with single quotes :P |
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| 23:40.12 | DerbyD | peterS: initramfs-tools it's a virtual package, I also tried that but keep saying to choose between mkinitrd-tools and yaird |
| 23:40.21 | peterS | helo_: are you sure you want to install all the packages which you've previously removed but kept the configuration files? |
| 23:40.35 | helo_ | peterS: i want to reinstall all packages |
| 23:40.44 | peterS | helo_: including ones you've previously removed? |
| 23:40.51 | helo_ | no |
| 23:40.52 | peterS | helo_: dpkg -l will list those too, if you haven't purged them |
| 23:41.03 | helo_ | doh... grep -v dd or whatever |
| 23:41.22 | peterS | I think you want to tack a '/^ii/' on the front of your awk statement |
| 23:41.33 | peterS | dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/{print $2}' |
| 23:41.34 | dpkg | ii | awk '/^ii/{print $2}' 3.3-2.3 peters's private stamp collection |
| 23:41.48 | gpm | nice |
| 23:41.50 | peterS | by stamp it means gamp |
| 23:42.26 | peterS | helo_: anyway, I'd also recommend 'aptitude reinstall' instead of 'aptitude install' |
| 23:43.38 | DerbyD | peterS: any idea? |
| 23:44.16 | peterS | DerbyD: initramfs-tools is _not_ a virtual package, I'm not sure where you got that idea |
| 23:44.57 | DerbyD | peterS: sorry, I mistaked with linux-initramfs-tools |
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| 23:45.26 | DerbyD | peterS: anyway, I tried that package too :S |
| 23:46.14 | tnks | I feel kind of stupid. I just installed a new machine, installed the "keyring" packages, and ran "sudo apt-key update", but I'm still getting message about packages from Debian repos not being trusted. |
| 23:46.29 | tnks | did I miss a step? |
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| 23:46.48 | peterS | DerbyD: you sure? earlier you mentioned 'mkinitrd-tools', which does not exist. the package names that do exist are 'initramfs-tools' (what I'm talking about now) and 'initrd-tools' (which doesn't work with etch kernels) |
| 23:47.00 | h3sp4wn | tnks: debian-archive-keyring ? or just keyring |
| 23:47.20 | DerbyD | yes, initrd-tools it's also installed |
| 23:47.21 | peterS | DerbyD: if the package names seem confusing, that's normal, they _are_ confusing |
| 23:47.22 | DerbyD | :S |
| 23:47.55 | DerbyD | peterS: initrd-tools is installed 0.1.84.2 |
| 23:48.27 | peterS | initrd-tools will do nothing useful for you, it doesn't work with etch kernels. (I think it works with sarge 2.6.8, but nothing newer than 2.6.11 or so) |
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| 23:49.07 | DerbyD | peterS: yes, but i can't remove because some dependence problem |
| 23:49.22 | peterS | that's ok, the etch linux-image package should not try to use it |
| 23:49.51 | tnks | h3sp4wn: I got a whole slew of "*keyring*" packages, including debian-archive-keyring |
| 23:49.58 | peterS | DerbyD: what kernel image package are you trying to install, anyway? the exact package name |
| 23:50.21 | DerbyD | peterS: linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 23:51.12 | peterS | DerbyD: *nod* - that one should work fine with etch yaird or etch initramfs-tools. what does the 'ramdisk = ' line say in /etc/kernel-img.conf ? |
| 23:52.16 | DerbyD | peterS: ramdisk = /usr/sbin/mkinitrd |
| 23:52.52 | tnks | h3sp4wn: it was retarded... I didn't realize I needed to run an apt-get update. |
| 23:52.53 | peterS | DerbyD: and /usr/sbin/mkinitrd perhaps belongs to initrd-tools? hmm. I think you can remove that line and let the kernel image package find its own suitable mkinitrd. |
| 23:53.01 | tnks | the apt-key update wasn't enough. |
| 23:53.10 | peterS | DerbyD: that, or change it to /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yaird |
| 23:53.27 | DerbyD | peterS: ok, trying |
| 23:54.32 | DerbyD | peterS: worked :P |
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| 23:54.54 | DerbyD | peterS: thanks, I just changed the line to mkinitrd.yaird :) |
| 23:55.02 | peterS | DerbyD: good deal. that's what was happening, then - /usr/sbin/mkinitrd was the old initrd-tools and the kernel image package noticed that that wouldn't work |
| 23:55.26 | DerbyD | peterS: thanks |
| 23:55.33 | peterS | np |
| 23:56.05 | DerbyD | rebooting |
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