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| 04:08.59 | stylus | hi there. i'm looking for assistance in setting up oidentd |
| 04:09.59 | stylus | i've installed the program. on ubuntu, it worked from there, but is there any further tweaking that i need to do for debian? |
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| 04:12.12 | davidL | Wyzard: How long does a typical memtest session take? I have 1 GB of ram. |
| 04:12.27 | Wyzard | possibly a few hours, though it depends on how fast the RAM is |
| 04:12.41 | Wyzard | I'd recommend running it for several passes, though -- perhaps overnight |
| 04:12.57 | davidL | Will do. |
| 04:12.58 | Wyzard | (It runs forever until you stop it, just doing one pass after another) |
| 04:13.13 | Wyzard | I've seen RAM that was fine for the whole first pass but started showing problems in the second |
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| 04:13.25 | davidL | How long does Seagate's dianostic tool take? |
| 04:13.46 | Wyzard | To scan all three of my 750GB drives it took 8 or 9 hours |
| 04:13.56 | Wyzard | That's not really a question of how fast the tool is, it's how fast the drives are |
| 04:14.23 | davidL | Does SeaTools check every sector? |
| 04:14.30 | Wyzard | If you do a full scan, yes |
| 04:15.08 | Wyzard | As I understand it, it's actually an internal self-test procedure in the drive's firmware, which is probably more thorough than just going through and reading and writing each sector once |
| 04:15.20 | Wyzard | SeaTools just sends the drive the command to start the self-test, and monitors its progress |
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| 04:20.35 | troubledone | has anyone here successfuly installed the ati liux drivers\ |
| 04:20.55 | troubledone | i am stuck on trying to run aticonfig |
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| 04:23.35 | davidL | Wyzard: Thank you very much for your help. I'm off to run the tests. Have a good day. |
| 04:23.47 | Wyzard | davidL: Good luck with it |
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| 04:26.39 | Thorrn4 | what version of ffmpeg are in the debian repos? |
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| 04:30.32 | n3kl | Hi. I have a perl script that uses system(rsync -ave ssh ...) but does not load the ssh keys from the home directory. Is there a way to tell the system to load the users bash profile or something? How can I get around this? |
| 04:31.12 | Supaplex | n3kl: ssh-add <3 |
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| 04:33.03 | n3kl | Supaplex: don't I need an environment for that, like a shell or something? I forgot to mention this is a cronjob, don't know if that makes a difference. |
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| 04:35.03 | Supaplex | n3kl: ssh -i ~/.ssh/thiskey.pub -i .... |
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| 04:35.33 | Supaplex | assuming they are passphraseeless, otherwise, use ssh-add and ssh-agent > ~/.ssh/sourceme |
| 04:35.40 | Thorrn4 | hey, I have some questions with k3b, I am compiling it from source and it says I am missing things, where can I get each part? : "K3b - Lame Mp3 encoder plugin no missing the Lame headers and libraries" "K3b - Resmgr support: no" "K3b - FFMpeg decoder plugin no. missing the ffmpeg headers and libraries version 0.4.9 or higher" |
| 04:36.07 | Supaplex | Thorrn4: why from source? |
| 04:36.19 | Thorrn4 | 1.0.1 isnt in the repos is it? |
| 04:36.28 | n3kl | Supaplex: alright, I will give it a try. Its my backup script, so it will run in about 3 hours... Thanks for the tip |
| 04:36.57 | Supaplex | Thorrn4: if it's in sid, try <simple sid backport> (/query dpkg <factoid>) |
| 04:37.17 | Supaplex | n3kl: tryit now, but use the dummy/test flag on rsync. |
| 04:38.00 | n3kl | Supaplex: well, I guess I am not sure how to make it run in the same environment as cron. When I run it from bash, I already have all my keys loaded into the agent. |
| 04:38.11 | Supaplex | n3kl: env |
| 04:38.17 | Supaplex | or unset |
| 04:38.18 | Thorrn4 | I dont understand Supaplex |
| 04:38.27 | Supaplex | !tell Thorrn4 -about simple sid backport |
| 04:41.06 | Thorrn4 | Supaplex, do I do "apt-get -b source k3b" ? |
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| 04:42.12 | n3kl | Thorrn4: apt-get build-dep k3b && apt-get -b source k3b |
| 04:42.35 | Thorrn4 | wat is it doing n3kl ? |
| 04:42.55 | Supaplex | we have man pages for that. *sigh* |
| 04:43.02 | n3kl | getting all the development libraries |
| 04:43.39 | Supaplex | eg, build dependencies |
| 04:43.54 | Thorrn4 | is that going to solve the problems that I had before? that lame and ffmpeg werent there? |
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| 04:44.09 | Thorrn4 | K3b - Lame Mp3 encoder plugin no |
| 04:44.25 | Supaplex | !FTBFS |
| 04:44.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, ftbfs is "fails to build from source" |
| 04:44.49 | Supaplex | Thorrn4: if it ftbfs, file a bug on it. (provided you installed build deps) |
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| 04:45.11 | Thorrn4 | ok ty |
| 04:45.26 | n3kl | Thorrn4: read the error more carefully. |
| 04:45.54 | Supaplex | Thorrn4: oh, why is 1.0.1 important? |
| 04:46.21 | Supaplex | !info k3b sid |
| 04:46.24 | dpkg | k3b: (A sophisticated KDE CD burning application), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4951 kB, Installed size: 9252 kB |
| 04:46.47 | Supaplex | Thorrn4: it might also be backported. (I'm slow to recall that;before my time). |
| 04:46.52 | Supaplex | !tell Thorrn4 -about backports |
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| 04:47.28 | Supaplex | iamnobody: you know who you are? --- you are nobody. ;) fun nick? |
| 04:47.51 | n3kl | haha |
| 04:48.03 | Supaplex | hard to resist. :) |
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| 04:50.49 | mvfeinstein | can anyone here tell me which version of gnome is in the current stable debian distro? |
| 04:51.11 | Supaplex | mvfeinstein: packages.debian.org/gnome |
| 04:51.41 | mvfeinstein | Supaplex, ty |
| 04:52.32 | n3kl | Supaplex: so I am looking into your sugestion. I am reading the manpage for ssh-add and it looks like it is a must to prompt me for the passphrase on the key, right? Hard to do in a cronjob. I might have to think of something else. |
| 04:52.39 | Thorrn4 | Supaplex, 1.0.1 has the dvd video rip |
| 04:52.55 | Supaplex | ahh cool. |
| 04:53.30 | Thorrn4 | 1.0.0 has it, but its faulty and was fixed in 1.0.1 |
| 04:53.38 | Thorrn4 | 1.0.0 is in the repos of sid I think |
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| 04:53.55 | Thorrn4 | so I wanted 2 rip the dvd and watch it when ever I wanted disc free |
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| 04:54.13 | Supaplex | n3kl: 1. run ssh-agent (if no other agent is running), redirect to a place you can source (eg, in the shell, shell script, etc). From the cli, run ssh-add to add them, provide the passphrases when prompted. |
| 04:54.27 | Thorrn4 | and if i could get it down to 700mb I could fit a lot more movies on 1 DVD ;) |
| 04:54.52 | Supaplex | n3kl: the crontjob should source the previous output file, check for it needed keys (ssh-add -l | grep ..) and continue if safe, or abort. |
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| 04:55.15 | mvfeinstein | Can anyone here suggest a graphical interface? I have been using gnome for a few years but am not reinstalling my OS and wondering if there is something else I should try. I spend most of my time at a terminal but when I do use the gui I like something that is easy to use and looks nice. |
| 04:55.36 | n3kl | Supaplex: perhaps I should stick to bash it sounds like and forget perl then... |
| 04:55.50 | Supaplex | n3kl: yea. :) |
| 04:56.00 | Supaplex | perl's great, but bash has its uses to. |
| 04:56.32 | n3kl | Supaplex: yeah, I am jsut learning perl, so I was all stoked to do something with it. A backup script sounded like a fun thing |
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| 04:56.58 | n3kl | ah, but you know what I could do, I could have a bash sciprt source the profile and then run the perl, that might work |
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| 04:57.40 | Supaplex | n3kl: yes :) provided the ENV you need is exported to perl. |
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| 05:13.21 | karsten | Supaplex: Perl: when compiling line noise is an RFP requirement. |
| 05:13.45 | karsten | mvfeinstein: Depends on what you want from a GUI. |
| 05:13.54 | karsten | mvfeinstein: What did/didn't you like from GNOME? |
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| 05:14.44 | mvfeinstein | Karsten, other then the headache from trying to get beryl working there was nothing I didn't like I am just wondering if there is something better I should look at |
| 05:14.48 | karsten | mvfeinstein: In general, I'd suggest you take a look at KDE, XFCE4, WindowMaker, Fluxbox/Openbox, ion/pwm, fvwm, vtwm, to get a general flavor of options. It's easy enough to install and test these. |
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| 05:16.17 | karsten | mvfeinstein: There are several dozen WMs with various design philosophies. |
| 05:16.27 | Decepticon | how do i do folding@home on debian etch |
| 05:16.45 | karsten | mvfeinstein: http://xwinman.org/ |
| 05:16.48 | mvfeinstein | karsten, any idea which ones other then gnome support something like beryl |
| 05:17.04 | karsten | mvfeinstein: IIUC beryl is its own desktop environment. |
| 05:17.07 | karsten | !beryl |
| 05:17.07 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 05:17.13 | Wyzard | Beryl is a window manager |
| 05:17.14 | karsten | Yes. |
| 05:17.23 | Wyzard | It makes no sense to ask whether another window manager supports Beryl :-) |
| 05:17.28 | karsten | mvfeinstein: In which case, the answer is "beryl". |
| 05:17.41 | karsten | Wyzard: Well, it makes sense, the answer however is "none" ;-) |
| 05:18.28 | Wyzard | nah, the answer is "beryl" to that one too |
| 05:18.48 | mvfeinstein | karsten, interesting I didnt know that. So can I install beryl with out something like gnome on my computer? |
| 05:18.49 | karsten | Wyzard: note "another" WM. |
| 05:18.55 | karsten | mvfeinstein: Da. |
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| 05:20.29 | mvfeinstein | Karsten, "Da"? |
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| 05:21.32 | RossNoob | hi all |
| 05:21.40 | RossNoob | have a quick question if anyone's around |
| 05:22.04 | karsten | mvfeinstein: Russian for "yes". |
| 05:22.23 | karsten | mvfeinstein: Da, si, oui, ja, sher, hi |
| 05:22.38 | mvfeinstein | karsten, any particular reason for the russian? |
| 05:22.45 | karsten | mvfeinstein: Nyet |
| 05:23.10 | mvfeinstein | Karsten, harasho |
| 05:24.05 | RossNoob | ... I have a system with a fresh debian install, GRUB installed to the ext3 inside a logical partition and set as active, but it still boots to windows |
| 05:24.08 | RossNoob | any ideas? |
| 05:24.16 | Ambrish | Trade stock, commodities or FOREX? GET FREE BUY/SELL SIGNALS www.fxtrademaker.com |
| 05:24.28 | RossNoob | thanks ambrish |
| 05:24.31 | RossNoob | exactly what I Was looking for |
| 05:24.38 | karsten | RossNoob: 'install-grub <your primary hard drive>' |
| 05:24.48 | karsten | RossNoob: Eg: install-grub /dev/hda |
| 05:24.53 | karsten | !ops Ambrish stock spam |
| 05:24.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: karsten complains about: Ambrish stock spam |
| 05:25.02 | RossNoob | we were kind of looking to avoid installing to the mbr if at all possible |
| 05:25.06 | RossNoob | I had this working on my machine |
| 05:25.10 | RossNoob | but that was on a primary partition |
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| 05:25.27 | RossNoob | simply because my friend doesn't have an xp install disk |
| 05:25.33 | RossNoob | so no fixmbr if he nukes the partition |
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| 05:25.42 | RossNoob | by accident or by wanting to ditch linux |
| 05:25.46 | karsten | RossNoob: freedos |
| 05:25.47 | RossNoob | and the other issue is that there's a recovery partition |
| 05:26.08 | karsten | RossNoob: Get it, there's floppy and CD versions. 'fdisk /mbr' will regenerate your DOS/NT MBR. |
| 05:26.09 | RossNoob | what about freedos? |
| 05:26.13 | vulture | I'm trying to configure X with a gamepad. The d-pad comes up as the first two axes, but I'd like to use it for the left/right/up/down arrow keys. Any tips on how to get axis movement to correspond to keypresses? man joystick & google haven't helped so far.. |
| 05:26.14 | RossNoob | oh ok |
| 05:26.14 | karsten | !freedos |
| 05:26.15 | dpkg | it has been said that freedos is a free implementation of the Disk Operating System, at http://www.freedos.org/, or now FreeDOS can run loadlin Violates the Principle of Least Surprise. After booting it, it won't see files that you copied to A:. |
| 05:26.15 | stew | RossNoob: you can use the mbr package to put a generic mbr similar to "fdisk /mbr" |
| 05:26.34 | karsten | stew: s/similar/identical/ |
| 05:26.39 | RossNoob | haha ok |
| 05:26.46 | RossNoob | but the regular linux fdisk doesn't have that featre? |
| 05:26.53 | stew | no |
| 05:26.57 | karsten | Well, I haven't actually compared the bytes, but it works as MSDOS or any other proprietary dos. |
| 05:27.05 | RossNoob | k, that's fine |
| 05:27.13 | karsten | stew: no what? |
| 05:27.21 | RossNoob | maybe the qparted livecd too... |
| 05:27.23 | RossNoob | thanks guys |
| 05:27.28 | RossNoob | I really appreciate it |
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| 05:27.36 | stew | karsten: no to "regular linux fdisk doesn't..." |
| 05:27.40 | karsten | RossNoob: Setting your active partition may also help. Linux fdisk / cfdisk. |
| 05:27.48 | karsten | stew: regular *DOS* fdisk. |
| 05:28.00 | RossNoob | oh, it's already active |
| 05:28.06 | RossNoob | that's why I didn't understand what went wrong |
| 05:28.06 | stew | karsten: i have no idea if they are identical in bits or not, i agree they are identical in the limited "chainload the first active primary partition" |
| 05:28.21 | RossNoob | I have the same setup, sans the extended partition, on my dell machine |
| 05:28.29 | karsten | stew: Feh, I wanted an argument, stop agreeing. |
| 05:28.53 | karsten | RossNoob: Likely you don't have a GRUB boot record there. 'install-grub' will do that for you. |
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| 05:29.15 | karsten | s/install-grub/grub-install/ |
| 05:29.23 | RossNoob | kk... do you think it might be easier just to make his media partition an extended and then switch the now extended one to a primary? |
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| 05:30.00 | karsten | RossNoob: I'd have to see a partition table to assess that. In general, not f*cking around with partitions beats f*cking around with them. |
| 05:30.23 | RossNoob | yeah, well with my lack of experience with the mbr, it's 50/50 I guess for me at least |
| 05:30.31 | RossNoob | I'll try installing grub to the mbr first |
| 05:30.40 | RossNoob | if all hell breaks loose, I guess I can go the freedos route |
| 05:30.48 | stew | karsten: i know better than to piss off a regular, so i'm going to drop it |
| 05:30.59 | RossNoob | if you don't hear from me again, then you can assume it went well :) |
| 05:31.00 | karsten | RossNoob: Right. Windows then won't boot until you add a chainloader stanza. That's documented in the GRUB info docs. |
| 05:31.11 | karsten | stew: rofl |
| 05:31.13 | RossNoob | thanks |
| 05:32.02 | karsten | Hrm. Is it possible to do split-screen in irssi so two channels are visible at once? |
| 05:33.13 | cafuego | apparently so |
| 05:33.20 | cafuego | Timing buffered disk reads: 310 MB in 3.01 seconds = 103.03 MB/sec |
| 05:33.38 | karsten | cafuego: apparently so what? |
| 05:33.52 | cafuego | karsten: apparently irssi can have a split screen with multiple channels. |
| 05:34.20 | karsten | cafuego: I'll file that under "Cool, now I need to figure out how" |
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| 05:34.57 | cafuego | best bet is /help window I guess |
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| 05:35.22 | cafuego | i need to be distracted by my newest debian machine now |
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| 05:35.48 | karsten | cafuego: Thanks, I'll hunt |
| 05:35.53 | Mr_Fred | lphix |
| 05:36.46 | cafuego | Hmm. |
| 05:36.54 | cafuego | 600G of raid5 rebuild still takes forvere. |
| 05:37.32 | Caelum | does it do it in the background? |
| 05:37.36 | cafuego | yeh |
| 05:37.44 | Caelum | that's good at least :) |
| 05:38.00 | cafuego | Oh yeh, it's the initial checksum disk build |
| 05:38.23 | cafuego | running at full speed (75MB/sec) but these newfangled disks are just damn huge :-) |
| 05:40.49 | xingu | cafuego: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/12/13/168 |
| 05:41.28 | cafuego | xingu: Shiny. But new in 2006 means not useful in production until 2008 ;-) |
| 05:41.41 | xingu | if ever on linux ;) |
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| 05:41.59 | cafuego | I'll just run lvm on raid for now |
| 05:42.19 | xingu | it does drastically change the restripe profile though. |
| 05:43.28 | rbwsam | Little help please: I'm installing ppc etch on my PowerBook G3 from DVD, I'm stuck at 94% on Select and Install Software, it's sitting at "Installed foomatic-filters-ppds" Any help? |
| 05:43.44 | xingu | !94% |
| 05:43.44 | dpkg | 0.94 |
| 05:43.47 | xingu | oops |
| 05:43.55 | cafuego | rbwsam: Check on console 3 and 4 (alt-F3 and alt-F4) |
| 05:44.07 | cafuego | rbwsam: it'll be logging if it's busy |
| 05:45.46 | tenzind | hi .. i am using debian etch on a powerbook. my x wont start and it gives the error "could not open default font 'fixed'". What might be the problem? how can i install the font 'fixed'? |
| 05:46.04 | xingu | !fixed font |
| 05:46.04 | stew | tenzind: aptitude install xorg |
| 05:46.04 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 05:46.48 | rbwsam | ok so four says its failed to install xserver-xorg |
| 05:47.20 | rbwsam | im pretty sure my install DVD is a clean burn |
| 05:47.42 | stew | !no fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 05:47.42 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 05:51.23 | rbwsam | cafuego: thanks for the logging tip |
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| 06:03.27 | witless | cheers |
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| 06:03.45 | RossNoob | worked :) |
| 06:03.56 | RossNoob | and now a separate, more minor issue |
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| 06:04.23 | Supaplex | how to pay for school? |
| 06:04.36 | RossNoob | stuck in 1024x768, used dpkg-reconfigure to redo the xorg configuration, but after killing and restarting, it doesn't give 1280x800 |
| 06:04.44 | RossNoob | lol, my parents have that fortunately |
| 06:04.55 | Supaplex | lucky snot :) |
| 06:05.00 | RossNoob | yeah, I know |
| 06:05.05 | RossNoob | but I don't take it for granted |
| 06:05.08 | RossNoob | I still work |
| 06:05.43 | Supaplex | that's good. |
| 06:05.54 | witless | i was using courier imap on sarge. is there another imap server that's preferred? |
| 06:06.01 | witless | (on etch) |
| 06:06.10 | Caelum | RossNoob: check your resolutions in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 06:07.02 | RossNoob | yeah, that's what it wrote it to, I'm afriad |
| 06:07.02 | RossNoob | *afraid |
| 06:07.03 | RossNoob | but I'll recheck it |
| 06:07.03 | RossNoob | brb |
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| 06:08.01 | RossNoob | oh my god I'm such a noob |
| 06:08.03 | RossNoob | what dir is that in? |
| 06:08.07 | RossNoob | oh |
| 06:08.08 | RossNoob | etc |
| 06:08.08 | RossNoob | nice |
| 06:08.09 | RossNoob | wow |
| 06:08.11 | RossNoob | ok |
| 06:10.13 | RossNoob | it's overwritten |
| 06:10.18 | RossNoob | do I just kill the x server? |
| 06:10.22 | RossNoob | or does it need a full restart? |
| 06:10.46 | Caelum | it makes no difference |
| 06:10.59 | Caelum | you don't need to restart your machine |
| 06:11.10 | RossNoob | k, I'll be back in a second |
| 06:11.33 | RossNoob | dammit |
| 06:11.34 | RossNoob | didn't work |
| 06:11.59 | Caelum | check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 06:14.18 | RossNoob | what should I be looking for? |
| 06:14.35 | Caelum | why it didn't switch to that resolution |
| 06:14.50 | RossNoob | well obviously |
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| 06:15.02 | Caelum | it should use the first resolution in the list in xorg.conf |
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| 06:15.09 | RossNoob | but it didn't |
| 06:15.36 | RossNoob | interestingly enough though, it did follow the 60hz |
| 06:15.38 | RossNoob | instead of 80 |
| 06:15.54 | RossNoob | maybe I'll try the vesa instead |
| 06:16.04 | RossNoob | he's using the intel 900 or whatever |
| 06:16.08 | RossNoob | piece of crap chip |
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| 06:17.31 | kakalto | I've tried installing nvidia drivers via the newest nvidia installer, and it installed without a hitch, but X seems to freeze after/on initialising the GLX module. Any ideas what's wrong? |
| 06:18.30 | kakalto | using etch |
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| 06:19.13 | RossNoob | oh my god this so irritating |
| 06:19.15 | RossNoob | none of them work |
| 06:19.27 | RossNoob | linux graphics settings are so annoying |
| 06:19.38 | kakalto | RossNoob: what's up? |
| 06:19.59 | RossNoob | no matter which driver I choose, it won't let me go past 1024x768 |
| 06:20.07 | RossNoob | 1280x800 is the only one defined in xorg.conf |
| 06:20.10 | RossNoob | but it chooses to ignore that |
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| 06:21.48 | topher | my X and gnome (package) installs seem to be broken. is there a way to tell apt-get to completely reinstall X and gnome |
| 06:22.07 | topher | ? |
| 06:22.13 | Caelum | RossNoob: try installing xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting |
| 06:22.19 | kakalto | RossNoob: basic question - you have a >=17" screen, yes? |
| 06:22.51 | RossNoob | widescreen laptop LCD, I'd assume about 17 diagonally |
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| 06:22.59 | kakalto | ahk, fair enough |
| 06:23.05 | Caelum | RossNoob: yeah, you need that package for widescreen resolutions |
| 06:23.12 | RossNoob | ah ok, I'll take a look at that |
| 06:23.15 | RossNoob | thanks, brb |
| 06:24.00 | RossNoob | I suppose it's not in the main repositories? |
| 06:24.16 | buu | So.. |
| 06:24.33 | buu | Anyone want to recommend a good bitorrent client that is usable solely from the command line and very easy to script? |
| 06:24.36 | Fetrovsky | what can i use to burn CDs and DVDs? |
| 06:24.55 | Staz | buu : I like btdownloadcurses |
| 06:25.10 | buu | Staz: Er,uh, |
| 06:25.20 | buu | Staz: How exactly do you script it? |
| 06:25.29 | bolt | How can I disable password login on specific ssh users? |
| 06:25.33 | buu | Also it needs to handle bunches of torrents very effectively. |
| 06:25.47 | Staz | hmm maybe not then |
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| 06:26.16 | Caelum | RossNoob: it's in unstable, you might have to use 915resolution otherwise (which may not work) |
| 06:26.28 | RossNoob | haha I just got done installing it :) |
| 06:26.44 | RossNoob | I'm about to to test it... do I need o reconfigure the xorg.conf again? |
| 06:27.14 | bolt | buu: azureus has a command-line mode, i think. it handles multiple torrents like a charm. otherwise, you could use btdownloadcurses and make a script to do what azureus does. it recognizes imported torrents by adding .imported to their file name, thus making sure they're not imported again. |
| 06:27.15 | Caelum | RossNoob: driver should be i810 |
| 06:27.21 | RossNoob | yeah, it is |
| 06:27.30 | RossNoob | or maybe it's still stuck on vesa |
| 06:27.34 | RossNoob | I'll make sure |
| 06:27.55 | buu | bolt: Yeah, I'm using az now. I like it a lot, but it's an incredible memory whore and the interface isn't exactly perfect. |
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| 06:28.18 | buu | java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space |
| 06:28.23 | buu | I'm very familiar with that =[ |
| 06:28.30 | RossNoob | it worked! |
| 06:28.31 | RossNoob | I love you |
| 06:28.38 | RossNoob | thanks a lot |
| 06:28.41 | Caelum | np :) |
| 06:28.46 | kakalto | anyone got ideas about my problem? |
| 06:28.53 | RossNoob | alright, gotta go, thanks again everyone |
| 06:29.35 | kakalto | Debian etch, Geforce 8600GT. I've tried installing nvidia drivers via the newest nvidia installer (100.14.09), and it installed without a hitch, but X seems to freeze after/on initialising the GLX module. That's the last thing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. I get no official error. Any ideas what's wrong? |
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| 06:29.38 | cafuego | buu: have a look at `rtorrent'. |
| 06:31.19 | buu | cafuego: What, no package? |
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| 06:31.53 | buu | "Only one torrent at a time is checked." I wonder what that means. |
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| 06:32.03 | mvfeinstein | Is there any way to set up a system for multiple simultanius remote graphical logins? |
| 06:32.41 | Caelum | mvfeinstein: sure, configure gdm/kdm/xdm for it |
| 06:32.52 | Caelum | mvfeinstein: or a vnc server |
| 06:33.35 | mvfeinstein | Caelum I was reading about vnc and everything I found said that i would only support one remote connection |
| 06:33.43 | Caelum | buu: there's a POE::Component::BitTorrent now... |
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| 06:33.58 | tenzind | hi .. how do i emulate the right click on my powerbook running debian? |
| 06:34.20 | Caelum | mvfeinstein: oh, didn't know about that, sorry |
| 06:34.30 | Caelum | mvfeinstein: I don't think gdm has that limitation |
| 06:34.54 | mvfeinstein | Caelum do you by chance know where i can find some documentation on that? |
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| 06:37.12 | Caelum | mvfeinstein: I think you run gdmsetup to enable XDMCP |
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| 06:39.48 | Caelum | mvfeinstein: what client are you going to use? |
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| 06:46.03 | regulate | what provides /init |
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| 06:48.10 | mvfeinstein | Caelum, not sure yet. I am trying to find a way to connect from windows / mac. Past that it really doesn't matter |
| 06:48.46 | Caelum | mvfeinstein: on windows you can use the Cygwin X server, http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/using-remote-session.html |
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| 06:57.54 | witless | how can i find out what packages are associated with the broad categories offered in the debian-etch installer? eg, there is an option for "file server" - how can i find out which packages that includes? |
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| 06:58.12 | cafuego | tenzind: F12 |
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| 06:58.47 | Wyzard | witless: If it's any help in looking up that info, those groupings are called "tasks" |
| 06:58.47 | xingu | witless: tasksel --packages? |
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| 07:00.10 | reduz | QUESTION: /var/lib/dpkg/available seems to be zero in size, how do i fix it? (recreate it?) |
| 07:00.15 | xingu | --task-packages rather |
| 07:00.39 | cafuego | reduz: First, free up some space on /, as I think you're at 100% usage. The put back the backup. |
| 07:00.52 | reduz | cafuego, oh, where's the backup? |
| 07:01.00 | cafuego | /var/lib/dpkg/available-old |
| 07:01.51 | witless | thanks |
| 07:02.07 | hark | !available |
| 07:02.08 | dpkg | hmm... available is run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. |
| 07:02.30 | reduz | dselect is evil :( |
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| 07:03.22 | reduz | wow |
| 07:03.29 | reduz | worked |
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| 07:03.32 | reduz | thanks!! |
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| 07:04.34 | zottty | Dear Friends! Please help me in the following issue: I want to delegate the MX record of a domain from server X to server Y. On server X, I configured bind for the delegation properly. On Y, I have no idea if I need to do anything with bind or if it is enough to set up only postfix and dovecot. |
| 07:04.34 | xlotlu | any idea if there's some special in debian about kde? files in ~/.kde/env/ are not sourced |
| 07:04.43 | witless | you guys have a favorite imap server? |
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| 07:05.51 | reduz | hmm another question |
| 07:06.02 | reduz | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH |
| 07:06.02 | reduz | dpkg: 1 expected program(s) not found on PATH |
| 07:06.08 | reduz | any idea what this may be? |
| 07:06.27 | Azar | hehehe, LOLCODE programming language.. |
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| 07:07.08 | factor | is unstable debian ok to upgrade to right now. i was having problems with glic a few weeks ago |
| 07:07.16 | factor | glibc even |
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| 07:08.25 | stylus | is this line correct for inetd.conf to specify an identd service? |
| 07:08.30 | stylus | auth stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/identd -i |
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| 07:10.27 | dc3aes | is there a basic linux command to join another users session? (non x11) |
| 07:11.48 | Wyzard | factor: sid is working fine for me |
| 07:11.55 | liable | dc3aes: if they run there session in screen you can |
| 07:12.03 | dc3aes | screen! |
| 07:12.04 | factor | ok thanks |
| 07:12.10 | dc3aes | ok i couldnt place the command |
| 07:12.12 | dc3aes | thats it, thanks |
| 07:12.15 | factor | dist-upgrading |
| 07:12.51 | factor | had to reinstall do to glibc stuff a few weeks back and I usually can fanagle with it to get it back on its feet but was just too wonky |
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| 07:18.13 | Loco | hi im using ubuntu and i want to try debian, what version should i try: stable or testing? |
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| 07:19.49 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all |
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| 07:20.16 | Azar | Loco: stable is most recommended for people who don't want to deal with bugs and crashes. Testing is for experimented users wanting to report and help fixing bugs |
| 07:21.29 | Wyzard | Azar: I think you mean "experienced", not "experimented" |
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| 07:21.45 | Azar | Wyzard: ah haha yes , sorry, experienced |
| 07:21.50 | g00se | Installed Lenny instead of Etch by mistake. Have changed sources.list to etch but that's not adequate to get back to etch is it? |
| 07:22.04 | Azar | g00se: no, there is no way back. |
| 07:22.07 | Loco | Azar, ok thanx |
| 07:22.32 | Azar | Loco: you can start with Etch, the stable then later if you like it and get experience, upgrade to testing |
| 07:22.50 | Loco | Azar, ok ill do that |
| 07:22.51 | g00se | Azar: Do you think that's why i had a dependency prob installing vim? |
| 07:23.23 | Azar | g00se: probably there are some packages that are not fixed yet... vim might be too |
| 07:23.43 | Azar | g00se: get Etch and install it if you have issues |
| 07:23.54 | g00se | Azar: So there's no other alternative? |
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| 07:24.19 | Azar | g00se: today is vim... tomorrow might be something else: you have the time to deal with all? |
| 07:24.35 | g00se | Azar: Point taken ;-) |
| 07:24.40 | g00se | Thanks |
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| 07:27.41 | kritzstapf | im using a jabber server and like to change the domain name, how to transfer accounts from jabber.foo to jabber.bar? |
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| 07:36.03 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
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| 07:37.01 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 07:37.47 | DukeDrake | dpkg doesn't finish setting up locales |
| 07:38.24 | g00se | Azar: What do they mean by 'Standard system' in the installer? Should i leave all unchecked for full control over what packages get installed? |
| 07:38.31 | DukeDrake | it says "Setting up de utf8 <something>" for hours now |
| 07:38.39 | kritzstapf | does anybody know where jabberd stores the user-data? |
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| 07:39.04 | Azar | g00se: I guess if I recall correctly there are three options: standard(minimal), desktop , and server |
| 07:39.36 | Azar | let me check |
| 07:39.47 | g00se | Azar: when i installed Lenny by mistake i actually unchecked all. |
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| 07:40.13 | hyphenex | What's the current stable distro? |
| 07:40.51 | streuner | !stable |
| 07:40.52 | dpkg | hmm... stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0), or ask me about releases. |
| 07:41.56 | Azar | g00se: scroll down to : How much do you want today? chapter http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/83025/index.html |
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| 07:42.48 | Azar | ... so I was wrong :) |
| 07:43.21 | hyphenex | AHHH!!! 21 CD's??? STAY AWAY!!! |
| 07:43.21 | DukeDrake | It says "Generating locales ....", then "de_DE.UTF-8@euro..." , then nothing happens ... Anyone know how to solve this? |
| 07:43.36 | Azar | hyphenex: people only use the 1st CD usually |
| 07:44.13 | hyphenex | okies |
| 07:44.27 | hyphenex | I can always apt-get my software, right? |
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| 07:45.01 | Azar | hyphenex: yes you can grab the other packages with apt-get. The rest of 20 CDs are for people with temporary no connection |
| 07:45.25 | streuner | DukeDrake: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:45.28 | hyphenex | cool :) |
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| 07:46.58 | sercik | Hi to all! |
| 07:47.04 | DukeDrake | "ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone" |
| 07:47.18 | sercik | i aheve installed debian this is my dirst boot :) |
| 07:47.36 | sercik | someone can give me goos repositories to add? |
| 07:47.37 | DukeDrake | sercik: congrats =) |
| 07:47.45 | streuner | DukeDrake: and that's an upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 07:47.46 | sercik | hi DukeDrake |
| 07:48.00 | DukeDrake | streuner: sarge, etch? |
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| 07:48.23 | sercik | i'm a good kubuntu user |
| 07:48.29 | Azar | DukeDrake: sarge(oldstable), etch(current stable) |
| 07:48.38 | streuner | DukeDrake: /msg dpkg sarge |
| 07:48.41 | streuner | DukeDrake: /msg dpkg etch |
| 07:48.44 | sercik | please some repositories!! |
| 07:48.50 | Azar | sercik: kubuntu is something else, it is not debian |
| 07:48.56 | streuner | sercik: bobbitt! |
| 07:49.04 | streuner | !bobbitt |
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| 07:49.04 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
| 07:49.06 | Azar | sercik: try #ubuntu |
| 07:49.17 | sanelson | what is the/a way to set a desktop background image in a way which is windowmanager agnostic? i use xsetroot to set it to a colour, but suppose I wanted to set it to a jpg ? |
| 07:49.19 | sercik | Azar |
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| 07:49.32 | sercik | i don't understand i want to try debian why ubuntu? |
| 07:49.39 | DukeDrake | streuner: dunno - how can I find out? |
| 07:49.43 | sercik | i already know very good ubuntu |
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| 07:49.54 | Azar | sercik: kunbutu you said |
| 07:50.05 | sercik | ah ok! |
| 07:50.11 | streuner | DukeDrake: find out what? what causes the error? use pasterbot paste.debian.net and paste the whole error there |
| 07:50.14 | sercik | tell me some repositories! |
| 07:50.21 | streuner | no |
| 07:50.27 | Azar | sanelson: I use X with no desktop manager (gnome or kde) I use feh to put a wallpaper image |
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| 07:50.42 | Wyzard | sercik: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ has mplayer and acroread |
| 07:50.45 | Azar | sercik: we do not have kunbutu repositories |
| 07:50.46 | streuner | sercik: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
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| 07:51.06 | g00se | Azar: Thanks. I see no reason there not to do what i did last time and uncheck all |
| 07:51.09 | Wyzard | sercik: but you don't really need lots of third-party repositories... it's better to stick with Debian-supported packages |
| 07:51.13 | DukeDrake | streuner: find out wether I use sarge or etch. And there is no error (unfortunately) It just hangs on setting up "de_DE.UTF-8@euro..." |
| 07:51.29 | Azar | sanelson: http://linuxbrit.co.uk/feh/wiki/FehFeatures and yes you can "aptitude install feh" |
| 07:51.32 | streuner | DukeDrake: its sarge atm |
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| 07:52.01 | Azar | Wyzard: he is using kunbutu.. |
| 07:52.12 | DukeDrake | ok. I'm not upgrading, just trying to initially set up locales |
| 07:52.25 | Wyzard | Azar: My understanding was that he's experienced with KUbuntu, but how he's installed Debian and wants to get started with using it |
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| 07:54.08 | Azar | Wyzard: well he wasn't clear, many think *buntu is Debian |
| 07:54.15 | piper69 | my mouse sensitivity and accelerationsare both set to fast and hight , but still the mouse moves very slow |
| 07:54.28 | Wyzard | Azar: <sercik> i aheve installed debian this is my dirst boot :) |
| 07:54.35 | sanelson | thank you, Azar |
| 07:54.39 | sanelson | that works perfectly |
| 07:54.58 | streuner | DukeDrake: Hast du verstanden was wir dir sagen wollten (did you unterstand, what we trying to tell you) |
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| 07:55.11 | Azar | sanelson: you are welcome |
| 07:55.36 | piper69 | Azar: my mouse sensitivity and accelerationsare both set to fast and hight , but still the mouse moves very slow |
| 07:55.46 | streuner | DukeDrake: paste.debian.net, visit the URL and paste the whole error there |
| 07:56.22 | Azar | piper69: hmmm maybe trying dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you use xorg) try another mouse type or feature type.. |
| 07:57.23 | piper69 | Azar: it's my laptop and this is the touchtp one, hmmm i will try to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 07:57.38 | DukeDrake | streuner: on the risk of repeating myself: _there is no error_ |
| 07:57.47 | DukeDrake | It just hangs on setting up "de_DE.UTF-8@euro..." |
| 07:57.56 | streuner | what command? |
| 07:58.01 | streuner | apt-get install locales? |
| 07:58.11 | DukeDrake | yeah |
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| 07:58.53 | streuner | ok, run dpkg-reconfigure locales and throw DE* out |
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| 07:59.13 | kritzstapf | does anyone know good tutorials for setting up postfix with some imap stuff? :D |
| 07:59.37 | streuner | hm |
| 07:59.40 | streuner | !postfix |
| 07:59.41 | dpkg | methinks postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org/ or #postfix |
| 08:00.01 | streuner | workaround.org |
| 08:00.13 | streuner | !listvals workaround.org |
| 08:00.13 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'workaround.org' by value (2): postfix howto ;; ispmail. |
| 08:00.18 | DukeDrake | streuner: k, thanx for now. |
| 08:00.21 | DukeDrake | bbl |
| 08:00.30 | Azar | piper69: I use an old gaming logitech and my settings are: /dev/psaux, PS/2, Emulate 3buttons: true. |
| 08:01.14 | streuner | kritzstapf: /msg dpkg postfix howto ; /msg dpkg ispmail |
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| 08:01.19 | xingu | Azar: for recent x11 you're better off using evdev/ /dev/input/mouse* |
| 08:01.39 | Azar | xingu: that is on my old Sarge system with xfree86 :) |
| 08:01.44 | xingu | Azar: fair do. |
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| 08:01.57 | Azar | but thanks for the tip... gonna keep it for when I upgrade this box |
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| 08:02.11 | sercik | i have installed debian 4.0. Is stable version in repository? |
| 08:02.27 | kritzstapf | streuner: ah thanks, ill use http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/en.html ;) |
| 08:02.41 | streuner | good luck |
| 08:02.52 | Wyzard | Wow... Windows TCP/IP has only just gained ECN support as of Vista? |
| 08:02.56 | Azar | sercik: ahhh ok, yes it is |
| 08:02.57 | Wyzard | I thought that was well-established already |
| 08:03.04 | sercik | thanks! |
| 08:03.19 | yigal | does anyone use mutt with gmail and if so what is your setup? |
| 08:03.44 | Azar | Wyzard: after three years I booted up my win box for some stuff, and connections die on it :) |
| 08:03.50 | piper69 | Azar: what should i pick the mouse protocol "ImPS/2 or ExplorerPS/2" ? i don't know |
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| 08:04.32 | Azar | piper69: depends on what mouse you use, I just gave you an example, at the beginning, myself I had to toggle and try different options.. |
| 08:04.51 | Azar | I just picked PS/2.. |
| 08:05.46 | Azar | it actually told me to look at the physical mouse and see if is 5 pin, or usb.. something like that, |
| 08:06.52 | Azar | I guess the Etch installer is smarter... guesses it immediately |
| 08:06.52 | nvz | the protocol has nothing to do with the hardware interface |
| 08:06.56 | nvz | the protocol means the data itself |
| 08:07.05 | Azar | nvz: my installation and setup was really archaic back on the woody days |
| 08:07.43 | yigal | Azar: wow what about potato? |
| 08:07.43 | Azar | new users lost a lot of goodies |
| 08:07.43 | Azar | no, I never had potato |
| 08:07.54 | xingu | with recent xorg and 2.6 kernel protocol "auto-dev" should just work on /dev/input/mouse* |
| 08:07.58 | Azar | but with woody was fun.. lots of time until I got it but fun |
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| 08:08.27 | yigal | Azar: I came at the beginning of sarge and I had my work cut out for me on a laptop |
| 08:08.33 | sercik | i have an athlon 64 but debian during installation put kernel k7 is the right choice or i need to use 686? |
| 08:08.34 | Azar | searching for modules with modconf, and assign them by hand.. |
| 08:08.48 | cast | sercik: you can use the amd64 port if you want |
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| 08:08.52 | Azar | yigal: not sure if woody was laptop-friendly |
| 08:09.01 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:09.01 | dpkg | from memory, qotd160 is <mhall> sanmarcos: i'm beginning to wonder about the size of the clue-free zone in which you live <sanmarcos> mhall: huh? <sanmarcos> clue-free ? <sanmarcos> i.e "have no clue" |
| 08:09.02 | sercik | no i don't |
| 08:09.04 | RaphaelZ | hey, how come there is no libapache2-mod-auth-mysql supported in debian etch? |
| 08:09.07 | Azar | I guess there was no wifi stuff back then |
| 08:09.15 | sercik | 64 bit have problems |
| 08:09.16 | yigal | Azar: most likely not, sarge was the beginning |
| 08:09.20 | cast | sercik: your cpu is k8, i suspect k7 would work fine |
| 08:09.21 | nvz | xingu: thats what I am noticing, that the kernel drivers pretty much make input transparent now.. different protocols in userland seem to be a thing of the past |
| 08:09.28 | sercik | kernel k7 is the right choice? |
| 08:09.28 | tarzeau | RaphaelZ: doe apache 2 have it? |
| 08:09.34 | xingu | nvz: yes; that was the whole point of the big input merge. |
| 08:09.35 | sercik | cpu is k8 yes! |
| 08:09.37 | cast | sercik: ahh. i've been using 64bit for quite a while, no problems :) |
| 08:09.41 | RaphaelZ | tarzeau? |
| 08:09.44 | sercik | and flash? |
| 08:09.52 | sercik | and win32codecs? |
| 08:09.52 | Azar | yigal: yes, Sarge was a big change... in ease of installation and use |
| 08:09.52 | tarzeau | RaphaelZ: many mods for apache 1.x weren't ported to 2.x |
| 08:09.53 | yigal | Azar: wifi support was non-existant even now it has just become great - relatively speaking |
| 08:10.02 | cast | sercik: those are both nonfree, and not in Debian. |
| 08:10.07 | RaphaelZ | tarzeau: of course apache2 has it |
| 08:10.19 | sercik | cast: but i can install it if i want... or not? |
| 08:10.21 | xingu | nvz: worst-case you may have to bump the psmouse maxproto to allow it to do unsafe probes. |
| 08:10.23 | tarzeau | RaphaelZ: then you can package it too, www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 08:10.37 | xingu | nvz: but the detection is really good; and unlike psaux, it also deals with resynch. |
| 08:10.39 | cast | sercik: sure, amd64 users can use flash if they set it up right. |
| 08:10.45 | sercik | i know |
| 08:10.45 | xingu | nvz: which happens scarily often |
| 08:11.27 | yigal | does anyone use mutt with gmail and if so what smtp/pop setup do you have - I am mostly interested in deb. on a desktop not a server |
| 08:11.56 | RaphaelZ | fuck I need to change back to sarge |
| 08:12.04 | yigal | RaphaelZ: :) |
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| 08:12.13 | drexxi | hi |
| 08:12.26 | drexxi | could someone tell me how to change from gcc4 to gcc3-5 ? |
| 08:12.27 | wols_ | yigal: gmail needs TLS for pop3. and port 465 for smtp |
| 08:12.34 | tarzeau | drexxi: why? |
| 08:12.42 | tarzeau | drexxi: because you have software that don't build with 4.x? |
| 08:12.48 | drexxi | i think so |
| 08:12.49 | Azar | sercik: you might be in for some dissapointments if you think you can install "anything you hear of, see, or want" from the net on a Debian stable system. All the "glitzier, newest" packages might not be on Debian repository, you only get "stable" packages |
| 08:12.51 | wols_ | is there even a gcc 3-5 in dbeian? did it ever exist? |
| 08:12.55 | tarzeau | drexxi: what software? |
| 08:13.02 | tarzeau | wols_: 3.4 afaik |
| 08:13.04 | drexxi | tarzeau, its anope irc servicesa |
| 08:13.08 | wols_ | tarzeau: I thought 3.3 |
| 08:13.14 | drexxi | tarzeau, its anope irc services |
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| 08:13.21 | tarzeau | wols_: 3.4 also existed, i know for sure |
| 08:13.27 | wols_ | drexxi: do you have the needed gcc version installed? |
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| 08:13.35 | drexxi | yes |
| 08:13.36 | Azar | sercik: because, as you are used with kunbutu, that distro uses non-free software which Debian does not |
| 08:14.00 | Azar | misterrr tarzeau, good evening from ca |
| 08:14.06 | tarzeau | hi Azar |
| 08:14.10 | wols_ | drexxi: export CC=/path/tp/gcc3 |
| 08:14.26 | tarzeau | Azar: i've just finished making two skyboxes for my www.sauerbraten.org levels using the gimp (gradient tool) |
| 08:14.39 | Azar | oh my god!!! so cool! |
| 08:14.40 | tarzeau | Azar: and made a better water surface texture... it's really great |
| 08:14.46 | Azar | I used to code html gradients |
| 08:14.58 | tarzeau | Azar: this map will be so different and great.. you know you can do so much with light in sauerbraten |
| 08:14.59 | drexxi | i cant install libc6-dev |
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| 08:15.12 | tarzeau | Azar: like the gay rainbow colored texts? |
| 08:15.17 | tarzeau | Azar: geeeee .. |
| 08:15.27 | Azar | tarzeau: no... like gradtables art |
| 08:15.38 | Azar | but in a browser that was working only on TV, not on PC |
| 08:15.52 | tarzeau | aha |
| 08:15.52 | wols_ | drexxi: why not? and why are you even trying to install it on its own? |
| 08:15.57 | nvz | I jsut lvoe it wehn popele feel the need to say an etrine msgease tciwe jsut bcaseue tehy hvae a snglie cahtecre tpyo |
| 08:16.15 | tarzeau | nvz: ouch, you typed it like that or was it a "filter"? |
| 08:16.16 | nvz | as though we can't understand them |
| 08:16.16 | wols_ | nvz: you are wrose than me. |
| 08:16.23 | nvz | I typed it like that |
| 08:16.29 | drexxi | wols_ i want to compile anope irc services and sudo apt-get install libc6-dev tells me some error |
| 08:16.36 | Azar | tarzeau: and not only, audioscopes, color lines that move in the rythm of music ( that why I loved mod-s :) |
| 08:16.39 | wols_ | drexxi: WHAT error? |
| 08:16.42 | tarzeau | nvz: apt-cache show filters (write one?) |
| 08:16.44 | wols_ | !tell drexxi about b-e |
| 08:16.47 | drexxi | mom plz |
| 08:16.51 | tarzeau | Azar: hehe |
| 08:16.57 | tarzeau | Azar: is there a video of the action? |
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| 08:17.24 | xingu | nvz: and for your next trick, do that again in a client that supports gdict based auto tpyo correction :) |
| 08:17.25 | Azar | I kept the code for a while could have been run with a webtv emulator, but I trashed it, nobody was interested |
| 08:17.56 | Azar | the webtv browser and html code was breaking regular browsers... |
| 08:18.18 | xingu | Azar: how many gig for a copper demo? :) |
| 08:18.25 | Azar | but it was fun .. |
| 08:18.45 | nvz | xingu: heh, I hate auto correction. I was blogging about the gap of understanding between people the other day, and trying to illistrate it using the word Aluminium and my browser highlighted it as mispelled just further making my point |
| 08:18.57 | Azar | gig ? hehe I was coding it and using it with a weak 80MB of ram.. back in the days the word "gig" was a fantasy |
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| 08:19.44 | Azar | xingu: basically ordinary tables combined with hex color code and specific audio code instruction |
| 08:19.57 | nvz | xingu: actually I was blogging about the Counting Crows song "New Frontier" which is about how plastic and easily misled understanding can be between people |
| 08:20.40 | drexxi | wols_ no installation candiate for b-e |
| 08:20.53 | wols_ | drexxi: dpkg told you something.r ead it |
| 08:21.00 | drexxi | yes i read it |
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| 08:21.07 | Azar | xingu, tarzeau .. until ms took over webtv and blocked access to audio codes.. |
| 08:21.07 | nvz | I laugh my ass off at people's interpretations of Adam Duritz's lyrics.. this song New Frontier was written for these egg heads.. they think they see references in his lyrics but don't understand him at all |
| 08:22.11 | drexxi | wols_, E: Package build-essential has no installation candidate |
| 08:22.11 | drexxi | thats my problem |
| 08:22.11 | drexxi | ^^ |
| 08:22.11 | wols_ | drexxi: fix your sources.list then |
| 08:22.11 | drexxi | kay |
| 08:22.11 | xingu | Azar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Amiga_chipset#Copper |
| 08:22.11 | wols_ | drexxi: paste your sources.list |
| 08:22.11 | wols_ | !tell drexxi about sources.list |
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| 08:22.12 | xingu | nvz: you're crossing the line from fanboy to stalker, you realise :) |
| 08:22.12 | drexxi | !tell drexxi pastebin |
| 08:22.18 | drexxi | ^^ |
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| 08:23.06 | nvz | xingu: I don't want to dress like him, or stalk him or anything like that.. we've just got a lot in common.. I understand him cause we are alike in many ways |
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| 08:23.32 | nvz | he's a lyracist I'm an interpreter |
| 08:23.50 | wols_ | drexxi: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 08:24.12 | Azar | xingu: that looks awesome :).. comparing with my trivial beginner html at sound, and color play |
| 08:24.26 | piper69 | what is a best web browser you guy think of |
| 08:24.39 | xingu | pipeline: w3m |
| 08:24.49 | wols_ | !best |
| 08:24.50 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 08:24.56 | xingu | s/pipeline/piper69/ |
| 08:25.09 | drexxi | wols_, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24817/ |
| 08:25.19 | nvz | but we're both Emo ass leo's who walk around with out hearts on our sleeve trying to understand the anatomy of love, trying get from the outside of everything, to the inside of you.. as the song says |
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| 08:25.29 | wols_ | drexxi: you are in the wrong channel. we cannot help you |
| 08:25.36 | wols_ | !ubuntu |
| 08:25.36 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 08:25.48 | drexxi | thanks anyway |
| 08:26.01 | Azar | tarzeau: http://members.tripod.com/~chardonay1/scooponscopes.html << but we can't see the output result with our browsers.. |
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| 08:27.12 | Azar | piper69: for me the best browser is one that is the most secure.. I would go with Debian Etch's iceweasel |
| 08:27.30 | tarzeau | piper69: links2 -g |
| 08:27.35 | piper69 | Azar: thats what i choose |
| 08:27.42 | wols_ | Azar: I am certain ithat one isn't the most secure browser at all. never can be |
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| 08:27.49 | piper69 | i chose |
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| 08:27.55 | Azar | tarzeau: hehe, don't push it...!! I love links2 |
| 08:28.10 | piper69 | wols_: ;) |
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| 08:28.26 | Azar | wols_: indeed browser+secure is kinda ireal.. |
| 08:28.54 | Azar | but comparing IE, or even Firefox with a stable and secure Iceweasel, I go with Iceweasel |
| 08:28.59 | wols_ | there are vrey secure browsers. just that few people want to use it. no javascript, no plugins, no dhtml... |
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| 08:29.15 | Azar | yes, no js, flash and crapola |
| 08:29.31 | cast | nc must be pretty secure :) |
| 08:30.12 | Azar | if I would go back to remove the mouse, I would only use links2... |
| 08:31.24 | piper69 | ok, i want to remove the Epiphany web browser, so i did apt-get remove Epiphany and that didn't work |
| 08:31.56 | xingu | sun java applet viewer! :) |
| 08:32.06 | Azar | piper69: if it did not removed it what itsaid? |
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| 08:32.19 | nvz | ugh I just 3 finger saluted a window by accident.. my Ignore and Kill commands are too similar Ignore is Ctrl+Shift+Click and Kill is Ctrl+Alt+Click I get em confused sometimes |
| 08:32.20 | sercik | for nvidia drivers i need to download and compile? or is there some repositories? |
| 08:32.36 | xingu | !nvidia one-liner |
| 08:32.37 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 08:33.16 | piper69 | Azar: it said that its not installed |
| 08:33.20 | piper69 | ?? |
| 08:33.26 | Azar | piper69: maybe it is not.. |
| 08:33.38 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:33.38 | Azar | hmm it is? |
| 08:33.43 | Azar | mister dimir! |
| 08:33.56 | Azar | piper69: try aptitude remove <packagename> |
| 08:34.06 | dimir | Azar: ye |
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| 08:34.17 | Azar | because what you did NOT installed with apt-get, apt-get does not see/know about |
| 08:34.24 | dimir | oh, that question wasn't for me. :-) Moin Azar ! |
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| 08:34.38 | Azar | :) |
| 08:35.27 | kritzstapf | hi, i followed http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/en.html and now sending the testmail gives: http://phpfi.com/240424 - as im not that into this dovecot thing i need some help :/ |
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| 08:36.28 | piper69 | Azar: it says that it is a virtual pkg |
| 08:36.36 | sercik | thanks xingu but i don't have nvidia-glx in packages probably i need sone repo |
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| 08:36.57 | sercik | i have installed 1 hour ago |
| 08:37.33 | streuner | kritzstapf: out of curiosity, why do you think you need an own mail server? |
| 08:37.35 | Azar | sercik: type as root that long command given by dpkg.. |
| 08:37.52 | Azar | streuner: that was the dream of my life too... :) |
| 08:38.13 | kritzstapf | streuner: to recieve mails for me@mydomain.tld for example? ;) |
| 08:38.15 | Azar | because all darn webmails now require js enabled |
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| 08:39.12 | sercik | Azar: i have told that i don't have that packages!! |
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| 08:39.27 | sercik | i need repositories! |
| 08:39.33 | xingu | sercik: they're in non-free |
| 08:39.36 | sercik | is the first thing i have tols |
| 08:39.37 | Azar | sercik: ahhhhhh edit your /etc/apt/sources.list by adding "non-free contrib" at the end of each and every source (minus the CD source) |
| 08:39.37 | cast | Azar: they don't require, take gmail for instance |
| 08:39.37 | xingu | for obvious reasons. |
| 08:39.44 | liable | suppositories! |
| 08:39.52 | sercik | oh |
| 08:39.54 | sercik | finally! |
| 08:39.59 | hesco | I'm getting this error. Any ideas how I should proceed? |
| 08:40.03 | xingu | do people just not do pre-upgrade planning these days? |
| 08:40.03 | hesco | sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 |
| 08:40.03 | hesco | mount: /dev/hdc is not a valid block device |
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| 08:40.10 | Azar | cast: they do.. and gmail requires original e-mail of an user or I do not have one |
| 08:40.17 | xingu | heaven help us when they hit the workforce |
| 08:40.48 | Azar | cast: at least that when I tried it 3 years ago |
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| 08:41.11 | Azar | I am using yahoo on their "old format" ... I don't know how long is gonna last though |
| 08:41.26 | sercik | thanks Azar now works |
| 08:41.37 | sercik | also in security repo i need to add non-free |
| 08:41.38 | sercik | ?? |
| 08:41.42 | Azar | to date, yahoo is the only one that gives such an option |
| 08:41.44 | cast | w3m doesn't have javascript right? |
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| 08:41.49 | tarzeau | cast: no |
| 08:41.58 | Azar | sercik: I did... and no problems |
| 08:42.05 | tarzeau | cast: links2 has some, but the plan is to have it removed |
| 08:42.06 | kritzstapf | streuner: so can you help me anzway? :\ |
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| 08:42.11 | cast | tarzeau: is that a 'no, you are wrong' or a 'no, it does have js' |
| 08:42.20 | cast | doesn't* |
| 08:42.20 | tarzeau | cast: it doesn't have js |
| 08:42.25 | hesco | sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 |
| 08:42.25 | hesco | mount: /dev/hdc is not a valid block device |
| 08:42.35 | hesco | what does this error mean? |
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| 08:42.58 | Azar | hesco: /dev/hdc used to replace cdrom, try cdrom instead |
| 08:43.50 | hesco | sudo mount /media/cdrom0 |
| 08:43.50 | hesco | mount: /dev/hdc is not a valid block device |
| 08:44.51 | Azar | hesco: edit /etc/fstab : /dev/hdc /cdrom iso9660 rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 08:44.58 | cahoot | hesco: dmesg | grep -i cdrom returns what? |
| 08:44.59 | xingu | hesco: try /dev/cdrom |
| 08:45.07 | Azar | then : mount cdrom |
| 08:45.15 | hesco | grep hdc /etc/fstab |
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| 08:45.20 | hesco | /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 08:45.41 | Azar | hesco: Sarge, or Etch? |
| 08:45.48 | sercik | ok i have installed nvidia drivers! thanks |
| 08:46.04 | cahoot | hesco: err dmesg | grep -i cd-rom |
| 08:46.07 | Azar | sercik: welcome |
| 08:46.08 | hesco | Sarge dist-upgraded to Etch last night |
| 08:46.35 | cast | http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html gets you no js, i think |
| 08:46.36 | Azar | ah so still with the old settings... xingu, do you think he needs to groom there? |
| 08:46.48 | Azar | I didn't.... on my upgraded Etch box.. |
| 08:46.50 | sercik | but debian 4.0 is sarge etch? what? |
| 08:47.08 | Azar | sercik: yes, Debian 4.0 is the stable Debian named Etch |
| 08:47.10 | hesco | cahoot: Thanks. found it at hdd, let me try this agin. |
| 08:47.25 | xingu | Azar: etch's udev should build /dev/cdrom automagically. |
| 08:47.49 | xingu | Azar: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules |
| 08:47.52 | sercik | beryl repo for debian? |
| 08:47.59 | xingu | !beryl |
| 08:48.00 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 08:48.00 | Azar | xingu: I did upgraded Etch last year....in August, I did not checked if I got udev over discover... but generally no major changes there |
| 08:48.03 | hesco | I'm sorry. This is the other box, which is still Sarge, no udev |
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| 08:48.10 | hesco | editing fstab now |
| 08:48.33 | xingu | Azar: it won't prevent the hda link from working; the point is that udev will dtrt based on the device capabilities. |
| 08:48.35 | Azar | hesco: if you use Sarge, your original settings were good |
| 08:48.44 | Azar | hesco: just try mount cdrom only |
| 08:49.28 | Azar | xingu: so fstab needs groomed after upgrade to Etch.. right? |
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| 08:51.00 | xingu | Azar: only if you want to move the link; fstab might need a look at if you've been shifted to libata (hda->sda device renaming) |
| 08:51.12 | xingu | Azar: I'm sure this is covered in the release notes ;) |
| 08:51.33 | Azar | aha.. I see... |
| 08:51.41 | Azar | thanks xingu |
| 08:53.07 | xingu | YW |
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| 08:55.11 | hesco | OK, I suspect a hardware issue with the Sarge box. |
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| 08:55.23 | hesco | I've switched to the Etch box. |
| 08:55.46 | kritzstapf | hi, i followed http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/en.html and now sending the testmail gives: http://phpfi.com/240424 - as im not that into this dovecot thing i need some help :/ |
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| 08:56.29 | hesco | dmesg | grep -i cd-rom gives me: |
| 08:56.34 | hesco | hdc: CD-ROM 52X/AKH, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 08:56.47 | hesco | hdd: ATAPI 32X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 8192kB Cache, DMA |
| 08:57.08 | hesco | and my /dev has cdrom and cdrom1 |
| 08:58.05 | xingu | $deity bless udev, for 'though opaque, 'tis wicked clever |
| 08:58.17 | sercik | but why user and root have different PATH ? i can't start synaptic like user |
| 08:58.42 | xingu | probably because the user's path has been added to whilst logging into x11 |
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| 08:59.49 | sercik | but can i configure sudo like in ubuntu? |
| 09:00.11 | azeem | what do you mean with "like Ubuntu"? |
| 09:00.54 | streuner | sercik uses kubuntu |
| 09:01.02 | cast | sercik: read the sudo documents. |
| 09:01.05 | sercik | streuner: please |
| 09:01.27 | streuner | please what? |
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| 09:01.35 | cast | personally i just su to root |
| 09:01.43 | sercik | don't tell me to use ubuntu! |
| 09:02.09 | tarzeau | how can i get qt/qmake to build in a different directory? |
| 09:02.10 | sercik | if you help me only a little then i don't ask anymore |
| 09:02.18 | azeem | 10:59 < azeem> what do you mean with "like Ubuntu"? |
| 09:02.19 | sercik | i'm a good user and not a noob |
| 09:02.24 | cast | sercik: ask in #ubuntu for a cat /etc/sudoers or read the sudo manpage, really |
| 09:02.28 | sercik | so i think i'm quite good to use bedian |
| 09:02.40 | sercik | debian sorry! |
| 09:02.48 | hesco | sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0 |
| 09:02.48 | hesco | mount: No medium found |
| 09:03.02 | hesco | that must be the empty tray |
| 09:03.20 | cast | hesco: there is a cd ...yeah, eject /dev/cdrom :) |
| 09:03.23 | xingu | so use cdrom1... |
| 09:04.02 | streuner | Freenode-#debian.log:Jun 09 09:48:22 <sercik> i'm a good kubuntu user |
| 09:04.14 | hesco | got it. Now I'm getting: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom1 |
| 09:04.26 | hesco | I had used a -t iso9660 switch |
| 09:04.37 | LexusA | help manual samba+winbind for debian 4 |
| 09:04.38 | sercik | streuner: why do you quote me? |
| 09:04.43 | xingu | hesco: why force the fs? |
| 09:04.43 | hesco | I think this has a single mp3 on it, but am not sure. |
| 09:04.59 | hesco | What other filesystems might be on this disk? |
| 09:05.22 | xingu | hesco: udf; or just da audio; try file -s /dev/cdrom1 |
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| 09:05.35 | xingu | file's pretty opaque and clever too. |
| 09:05.36 | streuner | sercik: you are using kubuntu, we told you to ask in #(k)ubuntu serveral times, what's so hard to ask there? |
| 09:05.38 | hark | sercik: /msg dpkg sudoers ; /msg dpkg visudo |
| 09:05.58 | sercik | streuner i want to try debian now |
| 09:06.03 | hark | streuner: he's not. he said he had installed debian earlier |
| 09:06.03 | streuner | ok |
| 09:06.19 | streuner | sorry, my bad |
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| 09:06.30 | sercik | streuner: but you hate me i can't understand |
| 09:06.40 | hesco | file -s /dev/cdrom1 |
| 09:06.43 | sercik | if i ask something do you disturb |
| 09:06.43 | hesco | /dev/cdrom1: symbolic link to `hdc' |
| 09:06.43 | sercik | ? |
| 09:06.55 | hark | sercik: it was just a misunderstanding.. you weren't clear on this |
| 09:06.56 | xingu | hesco: file -sL /dev/cdrom1 |
| 09:07.19 | hesco | file -sL /dev/cdrom1 |
| 09:07.19 | xingu | stupid posixly-incorrect defaults |
| 09:07.21 | hesco | /dev/cdrom1: ERROR: cannot read `/dev/cdrom1' (Input/output error) |
| 09:07.43 | xingu | in that case it's probably an audio cd, or region encoded, or whatever. |
| 09:07.57 | hesco | How do I mount it and read it then? |
| 09:08.03 | sercik | i think that kubunut is not stable so i want to try debian |
| 09:08.11 | sercik | ok now! |
| 09:08.33 | azeem | sercik: just ignore streuner |
| 09:08.33 | streuner | sercik: read what hark told you |
| 09:08.54 | streuner | <hark> sercik: /msg dpkg sudoers ; /msg dpkg visudo |
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| 09:10.18 | sercik | streuner con't speak with me please! |
| 09:10.37 | azeem | sercik: if you don't want to talk to people on irc, use the /ignore feature |
| 09:10.57 | xingu | hesco: apt-get install cdtool; cdinfo |
| 09:11.03 | azeem | you cannot force people not to talk to them - if they get overly aggressive they will be moderated though |
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| 09:11.10 | hesco | xingu: thanks, I will |
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| 09:11.50 | sercik | i'm starting to like debian |
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| 09:12.01 | sercik | for now all works like a charm |
| 09:12.08 | azeem | that's nice |
| 09:12.18 | hesco | Couldn't find package cdinfo |
| 09:12.23 | sercik | azeem some good repo please^ |
| 09:12.26 | sercik | ? |
| 09:12.57 | streuner | ftp.it.debian.org |
| 09:13.12 | streuner | use the official server of your TLD |
| 09:13.13 | xingu | hesco: it's in cdtool. |
| 09:13.13 | azeem | sercik: the main repo is all you need for starters |
| 09:14.18 | sercik | to write on ntfs fuse is available under debian? |
| 09:14.35 | xingu | hesco: nb there are ways and means to mount an audio cd - fuse+cddfs - but you probably don't want to; you probably want abcde instead, to convert the tracks to mp3. |
| 09:14.37 | azeem | !ntfs3 |
| 09:14.43 | azeem | hrm |
| 09:14.50 | streuner | !listkeys ntfs |
| 09:14.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (15 of 33): #debian ntfs ;; #debian ntfs rw ;; #debian read-ntfs ;; #debian-bots ro-ntfs ;; _default ntfs ;; _default ntfs rw ;; _default ntfsrw ;; _default read-ntfs ;; _default ro-ntfs ;; ntfs ;; ntfs rw ;; ntfs-3g ;; ntfs3g ;; ntfsro ;; read-ntfs. |
| 09:14.56 | hark | ntfs3g :) but it's not in etch |
| 09:15.17 | sercik | :( |
| 09:15.21 | hark | !ntfs3g |
| 09:15.22 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs>, <backports> (in sarge-backports) |
| 09:15.26 | xingu | hesco: the gnome desktop environment will tend to do the right thing for whatever media type is inserted, starting a cd audio player or mounting it. |
| 09:15.34 | cast | i suggest moving your data off ntfs and running pvcreate on the partition :) |
| 09:15.49 | sercik | i can't |
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| 09:15.58 | sercik | i have an external hd |
| 09:16.02 | sercik | full |
| 09:16.05 | azeem | sercik: read-only ntfs works pretty good |
| 09:16.17 | hesco | cdinfo /dev/cdrom(1|0), either way returns: 'no_disc' |
| 09:16.39 | hesco | BUt there is definately a disk in one of those |
| 09:16.41 | Arafangion | sercik: There are a few hacks to allow ntfs support in linux, one of them is commercial. |
| 09:16.43 | sercik | so i can't use ntfs-3g on debian? |
| 09:16.45 | xingu | then the disk is unreadable |
| 09:16.53 | Arafangion | sercik: read-write, that is. |
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| 09:17.24 | hesco | cdinfo -d /dev/cdrom1 |
| 09:17.24 | hesco | no-status |
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| 09:17.48 | hesco | cdinfo -d /dev/cdrom0 |
| 09:17.48 | hesco | cdinfo: can't open cdrom (/dev/cdrom0): No such file or directory |
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| 09:18.10 | streuner | hesco: just create a symlink |
| 09:18.13 | xand | Arafangion: and there's ntfs-3g which isn't commercial, and seems to work well |
| 09:18.25 | streuner | hesco: if you using udev just make a rule of udev for |
| 09:18.31 | RaphaelZ | if anyone knows a howto or good help on how to install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql on etch, please give it a shout |
| 09:18.56 | hark | sercik: you can, but it was removed from etch. Maybe check backports or even maybe if you need do a sid backport... |
| 09:19.09 | azeem | sercik: for now, yes; it might be available later on from www.backports.org |
| 09:19.22 | Arafangion | xand: Yeah, just saw that - I'm from the days of captive-ntfs and paragon-ntfs |
| 09:19.36 | sercik | but i can always compile myself? |
| 09:19.47 | azeem | sure |
| 09:20.17 | Arafangion | sercik: That's what is meant by a "sid backport", btw |
| 09:20.42 | streuner | !simple sid backport |
| 09:20.42 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 09:22.30 | xingu | hesco: cdir /dev/cdrom1 |
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| 09:22.55 | xingu | hesco: err, cdir -d /dev/cdrom1 |
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| 09:24.28 | Eglatholion | Hallo! |
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| 09:27.19 | Eglatholion | Question: In my aptitude is linux-source-2.6.21 available. But etch has 2.6.18 as stable. Where does it come from? I only have debian-marillat and blackdown additionally in my sources.list. |
| 09:27.54 | azeem | Eglatholion: run apt-cache policy linux-source-2.6.21 |
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| 09:28.54 | Eglatholion | oh. It comes from Sid. But I told /etc/apt/preferences to set sid to Pin-Priority: 20 and stable to 900 |
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| 09:29.27 | azeem | Eglatholion: it'd still be visable for aptitude |
| 09:29.56 | xingu | blackdown? |
| 09:30.18 | Eglatholion | Ah, I see. Yes, blackdown-java |
| 09:30.21 | xingu | etch has sun java |
| 09:30.27 | Eglatholion | (don't hit me for that ;)) |
| 09:30.33 | xingu | that takes me back a few years. :) |
| 09:30.39 | liable | !ping |
| 09:30.40 | dpkg | pong |
| 09:30.40 | Jerom817 | Pong! |
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| 09:31.13 | wols_ | Jerom817: if that was a script, remove it please |
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| 09:31.17 | Eglatholion | Oh, so I should search for Sun-Java in the repository, then. :o) |
| 09:31.31 | wols_ | !tell Eglatholion about install java |
| 09:31.33 | xingu | Eglatholion: probably; it runs rings around the blackdown jre |
| 09:31.39 | Supaplex | %ping |
| 09:31.40 | badgers | pong |
| 09:31.51 | xingu | Eglatholion: the earth has spun a few times since jre1.4 was a new thing. :) |
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| 09:32.12 | wols_ | xingu: maybe but gnu java ist still 1.4.2... :) |
| 09:32.21 | Eglatholion | :P Sorry, it was still in my sources.list when I updated from sarge |
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| 09:33.08 | Shadowcat | damn this place never sleeps |
| 09:33.21 | Eglatholion | But another question: So also other packages, let's say packages which are not available at all in etch, appear in aptitude when sid is in my sources list - no matter if I used pinning? |
| 09:33.31 | liable | Shadowcat: timezones d00d |
| 09:33.47 | Shadowcat | liable: yeah I'm on screwed up time |
| 09:33.52 | Shadowcat | just like everyone else ;) |
| 09:33.53 | Supaplex | Shadowcat: please standby while the entire internet is rebooted. ;) |
| 09:33.54 | xingu | it's always midnight somewhere |
| 09:34.25 | Shadowcat | Supaplex: we did that last week |
| 09:34.47 | xingu | well, it would be if it weren't for these weirdass types who like to set daylight per socieconomic/political boundaries |
| 09:34.49 | Supaplex | Shadowcat: all couple million routers, servers and stations? |
| 09:35.26 | Supaplex | well anyway. speaking of time, I guess 3:35am is my time for sleep. *yawn* |
| 09:35.40 | streuner | pinning is a great idea, but it doesn't work very well. Just don't use it. |
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| 09:35.55 | Shadowcat | Supaplex: we're upgrading them to Windows Embedded while we're at it |
| 09:35.56 | Shadowcat | ;) |
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| 09:36.04 | Supaplex | !nuke Shadowcat |
| 09:36.09 | Eglatholion | I use it because I want kaffeine and sylpheed-claws-gtk2 from sid. |
| 09:36.12 | Shadowcat | !windowssmite Supaplex |
| 09:36.15 | Shadowcat | damnit |
| 09:36.18 | streuner | if you want REAL headaches, just use it :-) (/msg dpkg bobbit) |
| 09:36.19 | Shadowcat | !beat Supaplex |
| 09:36.30 | Supaplex | ouou owe owe! |
| 09:36.30 | xingu | Supaplex: nah, knowing the average ip engineering skills there's probably a huge spof somewhere that's a hub under someone's desk. |
| 09:37.00 | Supaplex | xingu: hehehe yea, I know. :-x I worked for one of those palces before. TWICE. (different places) |
| 09:38.07 | wols_ | !tell Eglatholion about bobbitt |
| 09:38.27 | xingu | s/10/15/ |
| 09:39.37 | xand | xingu: since when has it been 15? |
| 09:39.37 | Eglatholion | wols_, Yes, I know, but it wasn't available for backports when I did this. And IIRC, there were no further dependencies necessary. |
| 09:39.50 | Supaplex | xingu: it's a little known fact, the NFS NAS at my last place had a hair trigger power button. you make faces at it, and it'll turn off. |
| 09:39.54 | Supaplex | One of my coworkers brushed up near it. A few seconds later I hear a girly shreek from the NOC. I rush in, "What?! What's wrong!???" ... we uh, decided to mod the front panel :) |
| 09:40.02 | xingu | xand: http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/zonehelp.tzc?cc=RU <-- verified by google, it must be true. |
| 09:40.05 | Supaplex | no more accidents hehe. |
| 09:40.31 | Shadowcat | xingu trusts google blindly |
| 09:40.42 | Shadowcat | that means that if we poison his dns and points www.google.com to some other site |
| 09:40.46 | Shadowcat | we can feed him false information |
| 09:40.48 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 09:40.53 | xand | xingu: that's not 15 |
| 09:41.09 | Shadowcat | point* |
| 09:41.13 | xingu | I've been onion routing my http through google's ajax for years. |
| 09:41.25 | Shadowcat | lol |
| 09:41.32 | Shadowcat | actually that would be so evil |
| 09:41.34 | xingu | xand: how many do you count? |
| 09:41.38 | Shadowcat | replacing google links |
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| 09:41.43 | saptah | hi all. |
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| 09:41.50 | xand | xingu: 12 |
| 09:41.52 | Supaplex | oh no saptah is on to us |
| 09:42.02 | Shadowcat | quick everybody look busy |
| 09:42.08 | Supaplex | blame dpkg |
| 09:42.15 | xingu | xand: you're deduping where tzoffset is equivalent? |
| 09:43.09 | xingu | xand: too bad if they have different sort orders, charsets, or daylight savings. :) |
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| 09:43.19 | saptah | I have a debian server (stable) with squid installed, now I upgrade the server to etch, and, my squid now have a lower version. Now the transparent mode not works. Any clue about this guys?? THX :) |
| 09:43.41 | sercik | ntfs-3g is in the backports |
| 09:43.42 | saptah | sorry 4 my english |
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| 09:43.54 | xand | xingu: what do sort orders and charsets have to do with the time? |
| 09:44.06 | azeem | sercik: only for sarge, the old version of Debian, I think |
| 09:44.23 | sercik | i have added lines in sources.list then i have done sudo apt-get -t etch-backports install ntfs-3g |
| 09:44.27 | sercik | but don't works |
| 09:44.43 | azeem | sercik: see above, it's in sarge-backports only |
| 09:44.49 | azeem | you shouldn't install that |
| 09:44.58 | xingu | xand: in glibc, they're all wrapped up together in the locale |
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| 09:45.13 | sercik | ok |
| 09:45.23 | Supaplex | isn't a sarge-backport in etch, just an older etch? :) |
| 09:45.25 | xingu | xand: which is why there are locales with equivalent tzoffsets |
| 09:45.28 | xand | xingu: wikipedia says .ru has 11... and their map agrees |
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| 09:45.58 | zorg-son | why does everything I startup in debian bind to my tcp6 ip? |
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| 09:46.00 | xingu | fair do, I'm yet to visit the place and I've never asked my colleagues a question that strange. :) |
| 09:46.05 | zorg-son | everthing I startup! |
| 09:46.23 | zorg-son | if I go netstat -an |
| 09:46.36 | zorg-son | everything starts on binds to tcp6 |
| 09:46.43 | zorg-son | anybody any ideas? |
| 09:46.56 | Supaplex | zorg-son: ip6 can supply ip4 clients. eg, ::22 means it's listening on ip4 to. |
| 09:47.23 | zorg-son | I am a dumbass |
| 09:47.25 | zorg-son | thanks |
| 09:47.35 | sercik | for now i can live without ntfs-3g |
| 09:47.39 | Supaplex | zorg-son: give yourself credit. I had to learn that to. :) |
| 09:47.49 | zorg-son | heh |
| 09:48.21 | Supaplex | zorg-son: but, if you get any grief with networking, the release notes cover why ip6 can cause problems (in some situations) |
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| 09:49.35 | zorg-son | I for instance starts jboss |
| 09:50.10 | sercik | i see black windows with beryl |
| 09:50.11 | zorg-son | it supposeand then |
| 09:50.25 | zorg-son | it is supposed to open a port on 8080 |
| 09:50.26 | xingu | sercik: what hardware |
| 09:50.26 | zorg-son | but |
| 09:50.35 | zorg-son | it does not |
| 09:50.45 | zorg-son | since it says it cannot bind |
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| 09:51.20 | zorg-son | how can I tell debian not to bind to tcp6? |
| 09:51.26 | zorg-son | but good old tcp4 |
| 09:52.32 | sercik | nvidia |
| 09:52.45 | zorg-son | you ahve any ideas Supaplex? |
| 09:52.51 | sercik | i have enabled force aiglx and indirect rendering now should work? |
| 09:53.27 | xingu | sercik: nvidia is a vendor; what hardware. |
| 09:53.34 | sercik | geforce 7600GT |
| 09:53.44 | xingu | sercik: how much dram fitted? |
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| 09:53.48 | sercik | 128 |
| 09:53.55 | xingu | that's probably why. |
| 09:54.16 | sercik | Checking for GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap : failed |
| 09:54.25 | sercik | with kubuntu i don't have this error |
| 09:54.37 | xingu | you need 9755 driver from lenny |
| 09:54.55 | sercik | xingu do you speak with me? |
| 09:55.04 | sercik | lenny is a repo? |
| 09:55.07 | xingu | and you still may have black windows depending on desktop layout with 128m |
| 09:55.29 | sercik | now i have 1.0.8776-4 |
| 09:55.44 | sercik | could you give me lenny repo address? |
| 09:56.00 | xingu | hmm |
| 09:56.27 | xingu | someone really needs to update dpkg with a hint showing how to get lenny's nvidia running on etch, this is going to be a regular pain in the ass. |
| 09:57.04 | xingu | especially once the 100-series drivers are out as is hardware that needs it (nv series 8/ dx10 gpu's) |
| 09:57.29 | xingu | guess what's coming in all the non-gma santa rosa designs later this fall |
| 09:58.11 | Eglatholion | has someone a apt-something | grep somewhat line for me to find out which package is installed from which branch? |
| 09:58.31 | sercik | apt-cache policy package_name |
| 09:58.47 | Supaplex | sercik: black and beryl can mean too little ram (from what I hear) |
| 09:58.57 | Supaplex | anywayyyy - el sack time. |
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| 09:59.02 | xingu | Supaplex: yes, and 128m is too little ram |
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| 09:59.18 | Eglatholion | sercik, I mean for EVERY installed package at once |
| 09:59.26 | sercik | ok xingu but i have this problem only with debian |
| 09:59.36 | wols_ | Eglatholion: there are always, sooner or later a new libc6 necessary. and then, you are SOL |
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| 10:00.03 | xingu | gt is turbocache too, which means you get the benefit of black screens as well as the exciting prospect of greater than usual flakiness |
| 10:00.14 | sercik | nooooo |
| 10:00.18 | sercik | gt is not turbocache |
| 10:00.40 | Eglatholion | wols_, I'll check out every time before I update. I'm careful. And if I find the time, and no backport is available, I'll try to write one for myself and publish it. |
| 10:00.46 | sercik | gt is a serious card |
| 10:01.58 | wols_ | xingu: "tucbocache" is only on the lowest end 7300 cards. no others |
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| 10:02.11 | xingu | fair do. |
| 10:02.14 | wols_ | even the 7300GT doesn't have it (it's actually a disgused 7600) |
| 10:02.37 | xingu | wols_: feel like walking this one through 9755-from-lenny-on-etch ? I have other things to do. |
| 10:02.56 | xingu | wols_: 8xxx series has no tfp and beryl needs it (and sercik wants beryl) |
| 10:04.10 | sercik | xingu i'm following a guide to install lenny drivers |
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| 10:04.10 | sercik | but i can't understand: m-a -i prepare |
| 10:04.11 | wols_ | what's not to understand about it? |
| 10:04.12 | wols_ | !m-a |
| 10:04.12 | dpkg | i guess module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
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| 10:11.45 | azeem | arooni: put it e.g. into ~/bin and add ~/bin to your PATH |
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| 10:13.53 | sercik | i need to upgrade libc6 to use nvidia 09775 |
| 10:14.05 | cast | if you say so |
| 10:14.08 | sercik | it i spossible to upgrade libc6? |
| 10:14.31 | liable | that way danger lurks |
| 10:14.32 | wols_ | sercik: don't |
| 10:14.32 | azeem | sercik: do you really need beryl? |
| 10:14.46 | sercik | i suppose! |
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| 10:14.57 | azeem | you suppose? |
| 10:14.59 | sercik | but works also with older nvidia-glx |
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| 10:15.06 | sercik | i imagine |
| 10:15.08 | wols_ | sercik: which part of the driver wants to upgrade libc6? |
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| 10:15.20 | azeem | sercik: it's not available with the latest version of Debian, so you're looking for trouble |
| 10:15.36 | sercik | nvidia-glx_1.0.9755-1_i386.deb |
| 10:15.49 | sercik | depends from libc6 2.5 |
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| 10:16.05 | sercik | patience! |
| 10:16.18 | bolt | azeem: nobody _needs_ beryl, except if their girlfriend go moist over fancy graphics or something. it's still fun to play with. |
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| 10:16.46 | sercik | debian uses old packages it seems! |
| 10:17.01 | sercik | for this is stable like a rock?? |
| 10:17.22 | liable | why is debina so old!?!? lolz |
| 10:17.28 | tarzeau | sercik: debian has stable, testing, sid and experimental |
| 10:17.34 | bolt | !punch liable |
| 10:17.37 | liable | sercik: the stable version, is, um, stable |
| 10:17.39 | sercik | wow complicated |
| 10:17.40 | wols_ | nvidia 97.55 came out in december 2006. that was after the etch freeze |
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| 10:17.50 | tarzeau | sercik: no you just pick one |
| 10:17.56 | sercik | but can i use a modern debian |
| 10:18.01 | tarzeau | sercik: i can |
| 10:18.02 | sercik | ? |
| 10:18.10 | tarzeau | sercik: modern has nothing to do with age |
| 10:18.20 | tarzeau | sercik: there is old people that are very modern |
| 10:18.21 | liable | sercik: compiz is in etch |
| 10:18.24 | sercik | i need to download another version that have more upgraded packages |
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| 10:18.25 | tarzeau | sercik: and there is modern software, which is very old |
| 10:18.35 | tarzeau | sercik: and there is new software which isn't modern at all |
| 10:18.45 | sercik | tarzeau: ok stop please :) |
| 10:18.50 | tarzeau | !SNS syndrome |
| 10:18.51 | dpkg | it has been said that sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 10:19.12 | sercik | tarzeau: lol |
| 10:19.21 | sercik | but how can i use testing sid or others? |
| 10:19.46 | drexxi | bye |
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| 10:19.50 | azeem | sercik: sid is not supported here, you can upgrade to testing if you want, but it's not that stable |
| 10:19.55 | liable | sercik: learn how to administrate a stable box properly first |
| 10:20.09 | sercik | i understood |
| 10:20.30 | Fri13 | Hi! I need tips for few question what is about stupid debate, what is reason why different distros are called as distros and not as different operation systems. And is Debian GNU/Linux different OS as Debian GNU/Linux or different distro. Im trying to explain one guy who claim distro and OS has same meaning and it is stupid to call them as distros as those should be called as different OS's. |
| 10:21.02 | buu | Fri13: Just stab him to death, it will save time. |
| 10:21.03 | xand | Fri13: they're called distros because they have the same kernel. |
| 10:21.05 | jduggan_ | Fri13: all distro's sit on the linux kernel |
| 10:21.12 | liable | sercik: its not that we dont want you to use it, its just that you need to learn how to fix stuff when it breaks. its not so hard, but you need to learn a little bit first |
| 10:21.12 | jduggan_ | Fri13: therefore its linux |
| 10:21.17 | cast | Fri13: jduggan_ no they do not. |
| 10:21.27 | jduggan_ | cast: linux distro's sit on linux kernel |
| 10:21.28 | cast | uh, just jduggan_ |
| 10:21.50 | Fri13 | Judgen_: so Debian GNU/Hurd isnt distro, its GNU OS like it says on webpage? |
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| 10:22.14 | xand | Fri13: it is a distro, but not a linux one |
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| 10:22.41 | jduggan_ | yea hurd is not linux kernel therefore not a linux distro |
| 10:22.43 | liable | linux is kernel, gnu is tools, without tools you dont have an os |
| 10:22.48 | cast | Fri13: the definitions are arbitrary, such arguments are pretty pointless. don't bother imho |
| 10:22.54 | Fri13 | buu, I would stab him to death unless it would be a crime ;-) |
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| 10:23.09 | buu | Fri13: I'm sure it wouldn't. |
| 10:23.41 | cast | Fri13: theres alot of confusion, say all the people that think Linus wrote an OS |
| 10:24.12 | cast | 'Linux is a clone of the operating system Unix, written from scratch by Linus Torvalds with assistance from a loosely-knit team of hackers across the Net. ' |
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| 10:24.37 | walde | Hello. I want to execute a server with a initscript in "/etc/init.d". As these scripts are running with "root", what is the debianway to switch the user in a script? "su" or "sudo" or sth else? |
| 10:24.44 | Fri13 | cast: yes, there are those. And there are few of these who like to call all distros as different OS's and if those aren't different OS's and distros, then all WIndows versios are distros too and not OS's. |
| 10:24.44 | liable | hehe, i was searching for one qotd and got this perler |
| 10:24.45 | liable | !qotd25 |
| 10:24.45 | dpkg | <ananke> erps : here. let me rub my crystal ball. <erps> ananke, awesome, can I borrow that? :) <ananke> erps : nope. company policy, we can't give away our crystall balls. <erps> ahhh :( But I assume you let special people rub them for you? <ananke> erps : you're not that special |
| 10:25.00 | azeem | walde: see start-stop-daemon |
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| 10:25.08 | azeem | walde: it has an option to run the daemon as another user |
| 10:25.13 | walde | azeem, thankyou |
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| 10:27.23 | Fri13 | cast: but aren't those distros called as distros because they share same kernel (linux) + GNU OS platform + other tools and apps? |
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| 10:29.07 | cast | debian always comes with GNU, but not always with Linux |
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| 10:29.52 | cast | should the word 'distro' apply to just things using linux/gnu, or does distro cover kfreebsd/gnu too? |
| 10:30.10 | Fri13 | cast: So Debian GNU/Hurd isnt same OS as Debian GNU/Linux but both are distros? |
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| 10:31.45 | cast | no idea. |
| 10:31.46 | EdwardElric | i call freebsd a distro... |
| 10:32.03 | EdwardElric | i think it applies to all *nix like operating systems |
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| 10:33.40 | Fri13 | EdwardElric: But distro is member of the Linux family of *nix OS's what uses Linux kernel. By wikipedia? |
| 10:34.47 | EdwardElric | maybe im wrong, but you see unixish OSes on sites like distrowatch... |
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| 10:37.02 | EdwardElric | if it is not a distro, why is it there? are they also wrong? |
| 10:37.26 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 10:37.43 | EdwardElric | hello |
| 10:38.14 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with vnc: on the server I got kde and vnc, on the client kde but when I connect to server it starts a gnome session, how can I use a kde session instead? Tx |
| 10:40.26 | EdwardElric | i have no idea...better wait for someone else |
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| 10:41.30 | LightKnight | Ciao :) |
| 10:42.19 | Mazingaro | ciao |
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| 10:56.12 | Mazingaro | ciao |
| 10:56.15 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with vnc: on the server I got kde and vnc, on the client kde but when I connect to server it starts a gnome session, how can I use a kde session instead? Tx |
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| 10:57.49 | MoDaX | Mazingaro: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 10:57.52 | MoDaX | as root |
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| 10:58.36 | MoDaX | Mazingaro: or get rid of gnome from your system |
| 10:58.40 | rmwaite | my LORD x takes a long time/ a lot of space to compile |
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| 10:58.49 | SoulChild | Hi all |
| 10:58.53 | MoDaX | rmwaite: yes, it does |
| 10:59.01 | rmwaite | i had no idea, ran out of space lol |
| 10:59.05 | MoDaX | rmwaite: openoffice.org is even worse |
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| 10:59.14 | rmwaite | i heard horror stories about mozilla |
| 10:59.19 | SoulChild | i found a missing dependency in debians package lists,.. where should i say this, to solve this for everbody ? |
| 10:59.22 | MoDaX | that one too |
| 10:59.26 | abrotman | rmwaite: why would you want to compile X ? |
| 10:59.36 | MoDaX | SoulChild: in stable? |
| 10:59.45 | rmwaite | abrotman: it's on an openbsd machine, some patch to freetype or something |
| 10:59.47 | SoulChild | MoDaX: yes |
| 10:59.48 | rmwaite | :) |
| 10:59.54 | abrotman | oh |
| 11:00.03 | abrotman | SoulChild: which package .. and which dep ? |
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| 11:03.17 | SoulChild | abrotman: the mathematcal application "maxima" or "wxmaxima" needs the libary libgmp3c2 otherwise it does not start with error: "error while loading shared libraries: libgmp.so.3" |
| 11:04.19 | abrotman | wxmaxima depends on maxima |
| 11:04.25 | MoDaX | SoulChild: yes, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411147 |
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| 11:06.14 | abrotman | MoDaX: but that is marked as done .. it should be tagged that it affects etch |
| 11:06.32 | cast | maxima has libgmp3c2, in the depends |
| 11:06.40 | MoDaX | abrotman: the bug is not rc |
| 11:06.44 | abrotman | cast: not on etch |
| 11:06.48 | abrotman | !depends maxima etch |
| 11:06.49 | MoDaX | abrotman: versioning is enough |
| 11:07.00 | cast | i thought i was on etch -_- |
| 11:07.02 | abrotman | MoDaX: it makes the package not work .. at all .. |
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| 11:07.35 | abrotman | MoDaX: i'd tag it as busted for etch |
| 11:07.50 | abrotman | oh .. it is |
| 11:07.53 | cast | abrotman: oh. its broken for i386, i'm on amd64 :) |
| 11:08.01 | abrotman | cast: cute |
| 11:08.02 | MoDaX | abrotman: severity is not rc |
| 11:08.08 | TrueDD | Salut tous |
| 11:08.09 | abrotman | MoDaX: broked! |
| 11:08.16 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 11:08.17 | MoDaX | abrotman: then up it :) |
| 11:08.18 | abrotman | MoDaX: but it does say it's broken in etch .. so whatever |
| 11:08.33 | MoDaX | otherwise it won't be fixed |
| 11:08.38 | MoDaX | in etch |
| 11:08.41 | jelly-home | MoDaX: well it kinda should be rc... considering it doesn't work at all |
| 11:08.48 | abrotman | MoDaX: like anyone actually uses maxima :) |
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| 11:09.30 | MoDaX | jelly-home: I agree, but now it isn't |
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| 11:10.32 | jelly-home | good. who'll send mail to 411147@b.d.o? |
| 11:10.41 | SoulChild | MoDaX: so why is the maxima dependencies problem still not solved ?? |
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| 11:11.00 | Mazingaro | MoDaX: will this affect vnc client? |
| 11:11.17 | MoDaX | Mazingaro: everything, including vnc |
| 11:11.51 | abrotman | jelly-home: let's all do it! |
| 11:11.57 | jelly-home | yay |
| 11:11.59 | abrotman | SoulChild: it is .. but not in etch |
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| 11:12.07 | SoulChild | abrotman: also not in lenny |
| 11:12.16 | abrotman | SoulChild: i don't have a lenny box here |
| 11:12.22 | Mazingaro | MoDaX: it was set on gnome! But I got kde starting on that box! |
| 11:12.33 | SoulChild | abrotman: what else do u have |
| 11:12.44 | jelly-home | what... reopen, raise severity, tag etch? |
| 11:12.44 | abrotman | SoulChild: however .. the fix is in sid .. it'd eventually filter to lenny |
| 11:12.47 | MoDaX | Mazingaro: because you told gdm/kdm to do so |
| 11:12.56 | SoulChild | abrotman: ahh ok ... |
| 11:13.07 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's already tagged for a version .. i'd up it and append stating why ? |
| 11:13.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: i'm sure it'll quickly be downgraded again :) |
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| 11:13.57 | Mazingaro | MoDaX: now I get an empty x window on vnc-client :( |
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| 11:13.57 | SoulChild | abrotman: do u use unstable ? |
| 11:13.57 | abrotman | SoulChild: nope |
| 11:14.18 | abrotman | SoulChild: i usually have a testing/stable box somewhere .. but i haven't gotten time to up anything to testing yet |
| 11:14.40 | abrotman | and i still have sarge boxes .. eww |
| 11:14.50 | SoulChild | abrotman: hehe |
| 11:14.54 | jelly-home | tee-hee, reportbug-ng crashed |
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| 11:15.02 | abrotman | jelly-home: irony! |
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| 11:15.37 | jelly-home | *** glibc detected *** python: malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0xb5700997 *** |
| 11:15.54 | abrotman | i blame ruby |
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| 11:16.35 | MoDaX | Mazingaro: have you chosen startkde? |
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| 11:16.47 | abrotman | !depends maxima etch |
| 11:17.27 | Mazingaro | MoDaX: ok, solved |
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| 11:17.38 | Mazingaro | MoDaX: I restarted the vnc server |
| 11:17.39 | MoDaX | Mazingaro: cool |
| 11:17.55 | MoDaX | Mazingaro: yes, vnc server is the main player here |
| 11:18.07 | Mazingaro | MoDaX: coolest |
| 11:18.36 | ptee | hi, anyone has this expereince with sound applications crash? XMMS, Amarok, mplayer crash on debain with segmentation fault but noatun and mp3blaster work!!! What can be the problem? i already upgrade the whole etch system but didn't help. |
| 11:18.38 | Mazingaro | MoDaX: buahaha it's very fun |
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| 11:19.14 | MoDaX | ptee: don't use noatun, arts, esd. you alsa output plugins |
| 11:19.44 | abrotman | bot is messed |
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| 11:20.06 | MoDaX | s/you/use |
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| 11:20.30 | ptee | MoDaY: i restarted alsa but also doe't help. The prob is I cannot have my sound application such as amarok or xmms or mplayer work at all. |
| 11:20.50 | ptee | MoDaX: i restarted alsa but also doe't help. The prob is I cannot have my sound application such as amarok or xmms or mplayer work at all. |
| 11:21.32 | MoDaX | ptee: go to control center -> sound -> sound system -> set auto suspend to not less than 10 secs) |
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| 11:22.40 | ptee | MoDaX : ehr, i dont know much about sound things...why suspend has the effect on sound application? |
| 11:23.35 | MoDaX | ptee: arts is crap and preventing other applications from accessing sound device |
| 11:23.41 | MoDaX | :) |
| 11:24.16 | ptee | MoDaX: thanks : ) ok, i try. |
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| 11:26.19 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: <dpkg> FIXME: files/debian/Packages-etch-main-i386.gz does not exist? |
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| 11:28.33 | ptee | MoDaX: hmm-..it still doesn't work. i log-in on gnome session but xmms still crashs. Do you have any other ideas? |
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| 11:29.12 | gcardinal | sorry for newby quastion, but is there a place where I can find complete manual on how to install LAMP with SQUAD/APC/Zend Optimize ?.. From a trustfull up to date source. I have found many on google, but they all kind of different and I am not sure wich on to trust |
| 11:29.16 | MoDaX | ptee: check which plugin xmms is set to use |
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| 11:30.52 | ptee | MoDaX : it crashes since the call, I cannot check its setting. This happens also with amarok and mplayer.... |
| 11:31.16 | cahoot | ptee: you run them from terminal? |
| 11:31.29 | wols_ | abrotman: do what dpkg told you: fix it! :) |
| 11:31.39 | freenod | dragofire-bg[dot]net |
| 11:31.41 | freenod | dragofire-bg[dot]net |
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| 11:31.50 | abrotman | wols_: i think i should not do that to dondelelcaro's machine :) |
| 11:31.59 | wols_ | ptee: open an xterm, start a audioplayer there |
| 11:32.15 | wols_ | abrotman: chicken :P |
| 11:32.36 | abrotman | wols_: you could do it!~ |
| 11:32.47 | wols_ | nah. I'm a coward |
| 11:32.56 | abrotman | german! |
| 11:32.57 | wols_ | and dpkg didn't tell me to fix :) |
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| 11:33.14 | ptee | wols_ : still segmentation fault on all applications related to sound, gxine, mplayer, xmms, amarok, totem except mp3blaster. |
| 11:33.28 | HostilePenguin | what would be the best way to connect to a headless name server? |
| 11:33.49 | wols_ | HostilePenguin: ssh or serial console |
| 11:33.52 | abrotman | ssh |
| 11:34.00 | HostilePenguin | what i thought |
| 11:34.03 | HostilePenguin | thanks |
| 11:34.12 | wols_ | ptee: esound running? |
| 11:34.28 | abrotman | though if you ask #mandriva .. they'd tell you vnc to a KDE session! |
| 11:34.35 | cahoot | ptee: is it really debian? |
| 11:34.41 | ptee | wols_ : no, shall i install it. |
| 11:34.46 | rmwaite | is vnc encrypted? |
| 11:34.49 | ptee | cahoot : yes, etch. |
| 11:34.53 | wols_ | ptee: no |
| 11:34.54 | abrotman | rmwaite: afaik .. no |
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| 11:35.19 | wols_ | ptee: dpkg -l | grep alsa |
| 11:35.21 | MoDaX | ptee: does aplay work? |
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| 11:35.54 | ptee | wols_ : i use alsa. and it works fine because i can use mp3blaster (console mp3 player) |
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| 11:37.19 | ptee | MoDaX: it hangs on from the console command. give no message of segmentation fault but not doing anythinge either. |
| 11:37.42 | ptee | MoDaX: i meant this aplay.. |
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| 11:38.24 | abrotman | wols_: restring my guitar! |
| 11:38.30 | ptee | I think I may need to re-install etch from scrash .... I already upgrade the whole system.... |
| 11:39.48 | sussudio | in soviet russia, system upgrades you |
| 11:40.06 | HymnToLife | haha, nice one :p |
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| 11:48.27 | abrotman | wols_: restring my guitar! |
| 11:49.15 | HostilePenguin | ok how do i end ssh |
| 11:49.35 | abrotman | exit |
| 11:51.09 | HostilePenguin | heh sweet |
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| 11:51.09 | corr | am i still banned here under this name? |
| 11:51.10 | corr | nope cool |
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| 11:51.55 | azeem | corr: why were you banned earlier? |
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| 11:52.22 | corr | i've a long and complicated history of trolling around these parts. |
| 11:52.30 | azeem | I see |
| 11:52.36 | azeem | corr: any reason you should be in here now? |
| 11:52.40 | corr | but it's been a while |
| 11:52.55 | corr | azeem: yeah, definitely. i am actually using debian now. |
| 11:53.08 | corr | before i just pretended to :) |
| 11:53.34 | azeem | what's the first name of the second-last Debian Project Leader? |
| 11:53.46 | corr | perens? |
| 11:53.49 | corr | bruce |
| 11:53.51 | azeem | bzzt |
| 11:53.51 | corr | i dunno |
| 11:54.02 | azeem | are you sure you're not using Ubuntu? |
| 11:54.05 | corr | hey i said i'm using it, not a guru :) |
| 11:54.11 | abrotman | the one before AJ ? |
| 11:54.17 | corr | azeem: i literally just installed it 4 days ago |
| 11:54.17 | azeem | ok, just giving you a hard time |
| 11:54.32 | azeem | corr: but we'll keep an eye on you *makes Robert de Niro handwaive* |
| 11:54.34 | corr | its nice. suprisingly, the best distro i've used. |
| 11:54.51 | HostilePenguin | does it matter for xforwarding if the server is booted to xdm? |
| 11:55.05 | HostilePenguin | before i unhook everything again |
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| 11:56.09 | azeem | HostilePenguin: no |
| 11:56.20 | azeem | HostilePenguin: that's the point, you don't need an X server on the remote end |
| 11:56.51 | Marenz | are there some optimize functions for make-kpkg ? can'T find them in man.. |
| 11:57.02 | Marenz | Hi |
| 11:57.30 | wols_ | Marenz: what optimize functions? |
| 11:57.38 | abrotman | man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 11:57.47 | Marenz | well in gcc you got -O1 -O2 and so on |
| 11:58.04 | wols_ | see what abrotman said or use export CFLAGS |
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| 11:58.36 | wols_ | but careful: the kernel is the last place to test out fancy optimizers |
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| 11:59.14 | Marenz | but on the other side its the first place to have a well performance boost |
| 11:59.55 | abrotman | what .. no gentoosmite ? |
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| 11:59.56 | wols_ | one organ per string |
| 12:00.00 | abrotman | wols_: and this one has 12! |
| 12:00.06 | enouf | octopussy? |
| 12:00.28 | wols_ | very distinct parts |
| 12:01.56 | abrotman | i can't even imagine restringing a piano or harp :) |
| 12:02.26 | wols_ | the way I do it, no muscial talent is needed.... |
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| 12:03.16 | jduggan_ | hi all, is there any such opensource alternative to visio |
| 12:03.16 | ^zanDarK | ciao a tutti |
| 12:03.18 | jduggan_ | preferable part of debian? |
| 12:03.18 | jduggan_ | ;o |
| 12:03.19 | wols_ | otoh. I might try out in what keys yiz cab squeal. fun project, that |
| 12:03.20 | ^zanDarK | ops |
| 12:03.33 | wols_ | *you can squal |
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| 12:08.44 | Okan | mIRC Script'imiz Yenilenmitir. Trke mIRC 6.2 [iStannbuL Script] Artk Sizlere Sunulmutur indirmek iin link'imize Tklamanz Yeterlidir -> www.canimsin.net/mirc.exe www.iStannbuL.Com - [ By mR ] |
| 12:09.06 | corr | hey, lets wage holy war against gentoo. |
| 12:09.12 | corr | who's with me?? |
| 12:10.21 | liable | Okan: wtf? |
| 12:10.22 | liable | corr: no one |
| 12:10.24 | wols_ | corr: if you keep shit like this up, you will be banned again in here in no time |
| 12:10.28 | HostilePenguin | how do i start xforwarding? |
| 12:10.28 | corr | wols_: dude, language. |
| 12:10.35 | wols_ | we are all adult motherfuckers in here |
| 12:10.44 | abrotman | you're inciting trolling .. and you're whining about language? |
| 12:10.54 | corr | lol, thats weird, because i was just lectured in gentoo for saying fuck |
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| 12:11.04 | corr | both channels are anal in their own way, i suppose |
| 12:11.07 | wols_ | abrotman: his mum forbid him to use bad words. she doesn't know about trolling |
| 12:11.17 | wols_ | Okan: either stop that script or leave please |
| 12:11.21 | liable | Okan: stop that |
| 12:11.23 | Okan | mIRC Script'imiz Yenilenmitir. Trke mIRC 6.2 [iStannbuL Script] Artk Sizlere Sunulmutur indirmek iin link'imize Tklamanz Yeterlidir -> www.canimsin.net/mirc.exe www.iStannbuL.Com - [ By mR ] |
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| 12:11.34 | corr | see, at least i dont spam the channel with stupid stuff |
| 12:11.39 | Marenz | Okan cya |
| 12:11.47 | liable | corr: um, you did.. |
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| 12:12.38 | h3sp4wn | HostilePenguin: ssh -X should just do it |
| 12:12.53 | HostilePenguin | roger that |
| 12:13.29 | corr | liable: it was a joke. are you saying that its a crime being unfunny? |
| 12:13.37 | Marenz | <- compilng 2.6.21.4 |
| 12:13.50 | abrotman | have you been to .au ? |
| 12:14.09 | liable | corr: not at all, it just seemed like a troll to me. i may have read you wrong.. |
| 12:14.19 | liable | abrotman: shut up! |
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| 12:17.04 | Kill3er | i need help -----> i want make colors to motd <-- Debian 3.1 |
| 12:17.20 | abrotman | need? |
| 12:17.28 | Kill3er | yes |
| 12:17.34 | Kill3er | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:19.30 | spheard | hello, how do I install the english language pack? |
| 12:19.42 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:19.47 | spheard | thanks |
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| 12:21.08 | spheard | abrotman, ns:~# dpkg-reconfigure locales; perl: warning: Setting locale failed.; perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:;LANGUAGE = (unset),; LC_ALL = (unset),; LANG = "en_GB.UTF-8" |
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| 12:22.21 | l1nux | hi |
| 12:22.57 | l1nux | I have to carry my tree structure debian of a machine to another, when each time i try upgrade kernel, it modifies the root (root=/dev/hda3) in grub/menu.list, as the old one… which file to declare the root of the current system? for avoided the modification of the menu.list to each update of the kernel |
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| 12:23.23 | me_here | i have an issue with my glibc, how do i upgrade it ? |
| 12:23.30 | liable | l1nux: see the automagic section of menu.list |
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| 12:23.39 | abrotman | me_here: why? |
| 12:23.43 | me_here | it tells me glibc2-4 bla not found |
| 12:23.45 | Jax | hey guys, i usually use gentoo but am sitting infront of a debian box here. i need to compile mplayer with a couple configure options. in gentoo i could do something like: USE="xvid mmxext encode avi live matroska mpeg oggvorbis real theora aac jpeg mp3 mp2" emerge mplayer, how would i do that in debian? |
| 12:23.49 | me_here | mainly the linker |
| 12:23.53 | liable | l1nux: the kopt section specifically |
| 12:24.12 | me_here | i have to set it to ldconfig -c old -r / manually sometimes |
| 12:24.19 | corr | does every deb have dpkg-reconfigure options |
| 12:24.22 | l1nux | ok, Thanks liable :) |
| 12:24.29 | cast | Jax: i'd just grab the mplayer tarball and do the usual ./configure, make...etc.. |
| 12:24.36 | cast | Jax: could use dpkg-buildpackage though |
| 12:24.41 | me_here | shit |
| 12:24.43 | me_here | err |
| 12:24.44 | me_here | sorry |
| 12:24.57 | h3sp4wn | Jax: check debian-multimedia.org |
| 12:25.02 | abrotman | !tell jax about source |
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| 12:26.17 | h3sp4wn | Jax: If you do want to build it from source anyway just doing apt-get build-dep mplayer (from debian-multimedia) will save you a bit of time tracking down dependancies |
| 12:26.28 | Jax | yeah |
| 12:26.30 | Jax | that looks reasonable |
| 12:26.46 | h3sp4wn | Jax: the mplayer that is in debian-multimedia has most stuff enabled anyway |
| 12:27.31 | Jax | hm apt-get install can't find debian-multimedia |
| 12:27.48 | Jax | ah gotta download the deb first i guess |
| 12:27.59 | h3sp4wn | !debian-multimedia |
| 12:27.59 | dpkg | somebody said debian-multimedia was a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 12:28.18 | Jax | !tell me about debian-multimedia.etch |
| 12:28.41 | l1nux | liable, kopt, is disabled # kopt=root=/dev/hda3 ro |
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| 12:28.46 | wols_ | !tell Jax about selftell |
| 12:28.58 | liable | l1nux: read it properly |
| 12:29.04 | l1nux | ok |
| 12:29.27 | liable | l1nux: start at the top |
| 12:29.33 | liable | of the automagic bit |
| 12:29.57 | g00se | past.debian seems to be broken. Good alternative? |
| 12:30.06 | Shadowcat | pastebin? |
| 12:30.07 | g00se | s/past/paste |
| 12:30.11 | Shadowcat | !pastebin |
| 12:30.11 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 12:30.35 | g00se | Thanks |
| 12:30.42 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 12:30.48 | Shadowcat | there's a news chopper hovering outside |
| 12:30.52 | Shadowcat | and it's making A LOT of noise |
| 12:31.16 | liable | Shadowcat: turn on the telly, can you see yourself? |
| 12:31.17 | Ronin | Shadowcat: get your digital camera out, could make somemoney |
| 12:31.25 | Jax | h3sp4wn gpg --keyserver http://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 aint working for me, gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. |
| 12:31.27 | Shadowcat | dude |
| 12:31.40 | Shadowcat | I'm trying to do multi vector analysis |
| 12:31.54 | Shadowcat | so the last thing I need is a 100db engine hovering over head |
| 12:32.10 | cast | i analysised a vector once |
| 12:32.19 | liable | its actually not the engine that makes the most noise |
| 12:32.22 | h3sp4wn | Jax: forget that part, just install debian-multimedia-keyring after |
| 12:32.28 | abrotman | Shadowcat: sure .. "multi vector analysis" ... |
| 12:32.32 | Shadowcat | no, it's air turbulance |
| 12:32.39 | Jax | h3sp4wn well i did echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; |
| 12:32.41 | abrotman | we know why the chopper is there |
| 12:32.43 | Shadowcat | abrotman: I should say vector problems in n-space |
| 12:32.52 | Shadowcat | abrotman: yeah you can climb down now |
| 12:32.56 | Shadowcat | we all know you love spying on people |
| 12:33.04 | abrotman | ah .. ok |
| 12:33.14 | liable | turbulance? is that the thing that rescues injured air? |
| 12:33.18 | h3sp4wn | Jax: apt-get (or aptitude) install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 12:33.23 | Jax | ah got it thx |
| 12:33.34 | g00se | http://pastebin.ca/552713 wtf? Am i being thick? |
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| 12:33.44 | Jax | damn it, it didn't install mencoder |
| 12:34.06 | Kill3er | plz need help |
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| 12:34.53 | l1nux | liable, hmm... ok, but not is debian default configuration, any other solution ? |
| 12:35.16 | corr | Kill3er: escape codes |
| 12:35.34 | abrotman | Kill3er: people don't want colors |
| 12:36.11 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 12:36.11 | Kill3er | :s |
| 12:36.25 | l1nux | liable, without "automagic boot options" |
| 12:36.38 | Kill3er | just wan't msg day to RED Color |
| 12:36.49 | Shadowcat | actually the most evil thing would be to change it to the Microsoft EULA |
| 12:37.07 | corr | or an ascii goatse |
| 12:37.08 | Shadowcat | and force users to press ALT+N until they've reached the end before logging in |
| 12:37.10 | enouf | dmca == more devilish |
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| 12:38.31 | liable | l1nux: it is, you just said it was commented, when in fact it isnt, the comments have ## |
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| 12:39.00 | liable | l1nux: and if it isnt debian, why are you asking us? |
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| 12:39.33 | Roey | hello |
| 12:39.46 | deatheye | オッパイノペラペラソース |
| 12:39.52 | Shadowcat | ok..... |
| 12:40.01 | Shadowcat | yeah I don't think anyone in here speaks Japanese |
| 12:40.07 | Roey | Hi, anyone here dip into iptables occasionally? I need some help with a script.. http://rafb.net/p/RzPFlb51.html has the habit of banning ssh clients immediately instead of after three attempts.. Where am I going wrong with this script? |
| 12:40.12 | Roey | hey Shadowcat |
| 12:40.45 | corr | i'm surprised that showed up as good as it did in my client |
| 12:40.49 | beardy | I think someone does, but that is irrelevant, since the language here is English. |
| 12:41.03 | abrotman | use fail2ban or ask #iptables |
| 12:41.04 | Shadowcat | unicode enabled client |
| 12:41.21 | corr | i thought you still needed fonts installed. maybe i do. |
| 12:41.34 | Shadowcat | you need one unicode font |
| 12:41.35 | Roey | abrotman: fail2ban? |
| 12:41.42 | Shadowcat | I know debian has at least one by default |
| 12:41.46 | corr | <- vista |
| 12:41.48 | Roey | abrotman: I asked in #iptables, they just pointed me to a tome of cryptic information |
| 12:41.50 | Roey | barbo: hi! |
| 12:41.51 | abrotman | !info fail2ban etch |
| 12:41.54 | Roey | thanks |
| 12:41.57 | corr | lol |
| 12:42.01 | Roey | !info fail2ban etch |
| 12:42.06 | abrotman | oh .. bot is borken |
| 12:42.08 | corr | its quite nice actually. wonderful unicode support, i guess. |
| 12:42.10 | dfa001 | !fail2ban |
| 12:42.10 | dpkg | fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with ssh and iptunnel, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. |
| 12:42.19 | abrotman | aptitude: info fail2ban etch |
| 12:42.24 | dfa001 | !slap corr |
| 12:42.25 | azeem | Shadowcat: chill |
| 12:42.30 | Roey | abrotman: what's wrong with using the 'recent' module? |
| 12:42.33 | azeem | dfa001: please /msg the bot |
| 12:42.34 | Shadowcat | azeem: heh, joking |
| 12:42.41 | Roey | abrotman: as in the script I have |
| 12:42.41 | corr | lol vista's better than xp at least :) |
| 12:42.47 | corr | and no i'm not trolling here |
| 12:42.52 | dfa001 | azeem, that was for Roey |
| 12:42.53 | abrotman | more bots? |
| 12:42.56 | Shadowcat | corr: uhh jury's still out on that |
| 12:42.57 | azeem | corr: but you're off-topic |
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| 12:43.18 | Roey | corr corrals himself |
| 12:43.24 | Roey | ha, hahahah |
| 12:43.25 | Roey | lol |
| 12:43.29 | liable | cast: you like having your logs blown out? |
| 12:43.33 | dpkg | fail2ban: (bans IPs that cause multiple authentication errors), section net, is optional. Version: 0.7.5-2 (etch), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 488 kB |
| 12:43.34 | jelly-home | cast: sounds like you don't run a multiuser machine, then |
| 12:43.37 | corr | Roey: i'm experienced is all :) |
| 12:43.38 | azeem | dfa001: I meant the !slap |
| 12:43.42 | Roey | =) |
| 12:43.43 | dpkg | fail2ban: (bans IPs that cause multiple authentication errors), section net, is optional. Version: 0.7.5-2 (etch), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 488 kB |
| 12:43.46 | liable | ffs |
| 12:43.49 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 12:43.49 | dpkg | hey, abrotman |
| 12:43.52 | dfa001 | azeem, ah =P |
| 12:43.52 | Roey | thanks abrotmn |
| 12:43.56 | cast | liable: logs getting big are the only issue. :) |
| 12:44.07 | Roey | cast: with what? |
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| 12:44.14 | Shadowcat | if you're really evil you can ban an entire subnet for hammering |
| 12:44.18 | Shadowcat | I used to do that once upon a time |
| 12:44.31 | Roey | Ooh, you touch my tra la la. |
| 12:44.37 | Roey | mmm, my ding-ding-dong. |
| 12:44.39 | dfa001 | Ive banned entire countries before |
| 12:44.41 | Shadowcat | that usually does wonders too when it's a ban for a class A subnet |
| 12:44.42 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: uh, that's prone to DoS |
| 12:44.55 | Roey | that turns me on to ban that great a swath of the Internet at a time. |
| 12:44.55 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: I was getting ddosed anyway |
| 12:44.57 | abrotman | cast: they could also get lucky |
| 12:45.01 | Roey | though it's like performing surgery with a baseball bat |
| 12:45.17 | aptitude | fail2ban: (bans IPs that cause multiple authentication errors), section net, is optional. Version: 0.7.5-2 (etch), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 488 kB |
| 12:45.30 | liable | sheesh |
| 12:45.40 | Shadowcat | something tells me freenode's lagged to hell today |
| 12:45.43 | l1nux | liable, where debian store default root at first installation ? |
| 12:45.45 | beardy | Someone is swapped out. |
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| 12:46.18 | liable | l1nux: where ever it installed / |
| 12:47.00 | jelly-home | l1nux: default root what? password? user passwords are usually in the shadow file. |
| 12:47.01 | azeem | l1nux: what do you mean with "default root"? |
| 12:48.18 | l1nux | jelly-homeI, azeem have to carry my tree structure debian of a machine to another, when each time i try upgrade kernel, it modifies the root (root=/dev/hda3) in grub/menu.list, as the old one… which file to declare the root of the current system? for avoided the modification of the menu.list to each update of the kernel |
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| 12:48.31 | sander | http://pastebin.ca/552734 <-- can anyone figure out whats wrong with my debian box when printing a test page trough cupsd to a network printer? |
| 12:49.03 | azeem | l1nux: I think those lines are generated from commented-out lines further above |
| 12:49.39 | enouf | Roey: perhaps you also have denyhosts python script running? |
| 12:50.13 | l1nux | azeem, where ? |
| 12:50.30 | l1nux | azeem, grub/menu.list ? |
| 12:50.33 | azeem | # kopt=root=/dev/hda8 ro resume=/dev/hda7 splash quiet vga=791 |
| 12:50.39 | azeem | I have this in my menu.lst |
| 12:50.50 | l1nux | yes |
| 12:51.02 | sander | http://pastebin.ca/552741 <-- after 5 minutes the job I'm trying to print goes from state "processing" to "stopped" |
| 12:51.03 | azeem | not the "# kopt=" |
| 12:51.05 | azeem | note* |
| 12:51.26 | azeem | l1nux: the real grub entry gets generated from this line, so modify the kopt= line rather than the root= line directl |
| 12:51.29 | azeem | y |
| 12:51.33 | enouf | here's some other stuff i had been looking at using iptables http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
| 12:52.02 | l1nux | azeem, but this line is commented |
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| 12:52.16 | l1nux | not used ? |
| 12:52.29 | Muisje | Mmz |
| 12:52.39 | Muisje | i think my server's hard drive crashed |
| 12:52.44 | Muisje | grub loading... error 15 |
| 12:52.49 | l1nux | azeem, where debian store default root at first installation ? |
| 12:54.17 | MoDaX | l1nux: in that commmented line |
| 12:54.19 | cast | odd. anyone have any ideas why sshing to a host in domU would take 1 second, but dom0 25? maybe its running out of entrophy, can't think of anything else |
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| 12:54.44 | cast | -h |
| 12:55.09 | HardDisk_WP | is someone here with experience with raki/SynCE? |
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| 12:55.35 | MoDaX | l1nux: man update-grub |
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| 12:55.49 | A-L-A-R-M | hello, under which repository can i find the 1.3 version of audacious ? |
| 12:56.02 | A-L-A-R-M | i can find only a 1.2.x version till now |
| 12:56.07 | A-L-A-R-M | for debian etch |
| 12:56.08 | liable | l1nux: you dont seem to listen to what people tell you |
| 12:56.27 | sn0 | A-L-A-R-M you need to get it from their website |
| 12:56.50 | sn0 | http://audacious-media-player.org/Downloads#4.5 |
| 12:56.59 | A-L-A-R-M | yes, but i dont want a source file |
| 12:57.12 | sn0 | you will have to really, if you want the plugins etc |
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| 12:57.27 | A-L-A-R-M | and deb http://static.audacious-media-player.org/debian etch main includes the 1.2.x version |
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| 12:57.33 | sn0 | oh so it does |
| 12:57.41 | azeem | l1nux: yes, it's commented, that is expected |
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| 12:57.50 | sn0 | im on sid and using latest |
| 12:57.54 | sn0 | hmm dunno then sorry |
| 12:58.01 | l1nux | MoDaX, the commmented line is used ? |
| 12:58.11 | A-L-A-R-M | can i do that ? i mean add the sid repository although i use etch? |
| 12:58.11 | liable | l1nux: man update-grub |
| 12:58.20 | liable | read it |
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| 12:58.32 | sn0 | i wouldn't recommend it A-L-A-R-M , im not sure what effect it would have |
| 12:58.40 | sn0 | it may depend on other packages |
| 12:58.41 | A-L-A-R-M | okie :) |
| 12:58.56 | MoDaX | l1nux: yes, it is. they are used by update-grub script |
| 12:59.07 | MoDaX | l1nux: ignored by grub itself though |
| 12:59.07 | bolt | where can I find the stored crontab on a debian root partition i've mounted |
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| 12:59.13 | A-L-A-R-M | i found a deb file here: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/audacious . but i dont know what happens with the dependencies if i just download the audacious deb file |
| 12:59.26 | LightKnight | audacious is something different :) |
| 12:59.38 | Muisje | What can i do, when grub stops with Error 15? Debian etch 4.0 |
| 12:59.45 | l1nux | ok, Thanks MoDaX :) |
| 12:59.50 | A-L-A-R-M | i see its on the unstable , should i add the unstable repository maybe ? or its also risky ? |
| 13:00.00 | sn0 | A-L-A-R-M as you can see it depends on certain versions of filesi in etch |
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| 13:00.07 | sn0 | so you might get problems with dependancies |
| 13:00.14 | LightKnight | yeah. |
| 13:00.15 | HostilePenguin | su |
| 13:00.19 | HostilePenguin | sorry |
| 13:00.21 | sn0 | maybe check in #audacioous |
| 13:00.25 | sn0 | err sorry #audacious |
| 13:00.41 | sn0 | have you checked backports.org A-L-A-R-M ? |
| 13:00.47 | A-L-A-R-M | i will, but as i said. adding the unstable repo , can cause me problems ? |
| 13:00.49 | LightKnight | one thing you could do is to add the repo, then: apt-get update && apt-get -s install audacity/unstable |
| 13:00.50 | abrotman | A-L-A-R-M: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 13:01.07 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: yes, it will cause problems |
| 13:01.15 | LightKnight | the "-s" is to simulate the install, to just check for dependencies without messing around. |
| 13:01.16 | sn0 | A-L-A-R-M yes, unstable can be risky |
| 13:01.49 | A-L-A-R-M | ok... :) |
| 13:01.58 | LightKnight | uhm, s/audacity/audacious/ |
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| 13:02.20 | corr | s/au/bo/g |
| 13:03.06 | A-L-A-R-M | and a last question. after adding the unstable repo i guess there will be some upgrades that my system will ask me to do. can i avoid everything and just install audacious and then remove the repository again ? |
| 13:03.22 | LightKnight | A-L-A-R-M: one thing you could do is to add the repo, then: apt-get update && apt-get -s install audacious/unstable |
| 13:03.41 | LightKnight | the "-s" is to simulate the install, to just check for dependencies without messing around. |
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| 13:03.47 | sn0 | A-L-A-R-M please dont add unstable, instead check backports.org for a backported version of the latest audacious |
| 13:03.50 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: you cannot. audacious will need deps which can't be satisfied in etch |
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| 13:04.08 | sn0 | or as i said check their channel |
| 13:04.09 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: and those deps are libraries like libc6 |
| 13:04.11 | A-L-A-R-M | 2 different opinions in here :) |
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| 13:04.34 | A-L-A-R-M | i see, MoDaX true libc6 is indeed needed on which many other apps depend on |
| 13:04.38 | sn0 | well you 'could' try it but im not sure i would :] |
| 13:05.13 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: newer libc6 than on etch |
| 13:05.14 | A-L-A-R-M | sn0, how about backports? same risk ? |
| 13:05.27 | sn0 | backports are made for _etch_ |
| 13:05.28 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: but you can backport (recompile) the package |
| 13:05.29 | sn0 | so much safer |
| 13:05.33 | sn0 | otherwise build from svn/source |
| 13:05.51 | A-L-A-R-M | sn0, thats something out of my knowlegde to be honest |
| 13:05.55 | Muisje | Guys, what can i do when my system refused to read/write from hdd and when i turned it off cause debian was like frozen, i turned the system off and rebooted, and now getting grub error 15. |
| 13:05.59 | A-L-A-R-M | i will check what i can find on backport |
| 13:06.00 | Muisje | Debian Etch 4.0 |
| 13:06.04 | sn0 | well check backports.org first A-L-A-R-M |
| 13:06.13 | sn0 | if you have no joy we can assist in compiling |
| 13:06.18 | sn0 | shower for me |
| 13:06.19 | hark | A-L-A-R-M: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 13:06.21 | l1nux | MoDaX, i modify line (kopt & groot) without removing comment!, and is work fine :) |
| 13:06.37 | Muisje | Grub is at stage 1.5 |
| 13:06.48 | MoDaX | l1nux: yes, never remove the comment |
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| 13:07.52 | MoDaX | Muisje: you will need to reinstall grub |
| 13:08.00 | Muisje | Download knoppix? |
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| 13:08.17 | MoDaX | Muisje: debian install cd can be used as rescue disk |
| 13:08.35 | Muisje | Also the netinstall? |
| 13:08.46 | MoDaX | Muisje: yes |
| 13:09.00 | MoDaX | !rescue |
| 13:09.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ |
| 13:09.31 | Muisje | Downloading, give me 2 minutes to download the netinstall |
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| 13:11.17 | Muisje | Done, getting cd to burn on |
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| 13:12.47 | corr | i love netinst :) |
| 13:12.58 | HostilePenguin | i love debian |
| 13:13.20 | wols_ | I love ponies |
| 13:13.30 | abrotman | !nopony wols_ |
| 13:13.30 | dpkg | wols_: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 13:13.57 | HostilePenguin | ha hah thats the best |
| 13:13.59 | wols_ | abrotman: you're a meanie |
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| 13:16.51 | corr | i <3 pbf |
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| 13:17.23 | Muisje | MoDaX, it's probably the motherboard has died |
| 13:17.31 | A-L-A-R-M | why is debian etch kind of "out" of date that fast? i mean although the etch release is pretty new. the new versions of softwares arent being added in the debian repositories |
| 13:17.58 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 13:17.58 | dpkg | ok, listen up. "Stable" in debian terminology means "doesn't change". Stable is stable. Unstable, by definition is not, unless you don't update it, which means you're not up-to-date with security fixes. Either way, you're wrong, and you sound stupid, and you're giving a false impression of what sid is REALLY like. See <sid evangelism>. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 13:17.59 | cahoot | A-L-A-R-M: it's the meaning of stable |
| 13:18.07 | massctrl | hello folks,... How can I make sure hdparm runs before activating mdadm ? Because activating dma on my hdc and hdd disks after the md is activated, is corrupting/crashing the raid etc,.. |
| 13:18.30 | HostilePenguin | what else can i make a name server do not really using the box at all k6 400 64m of ram |
| 13:18.51 | stumbles | hi, i have some spare space in an LVM volume group that isn't used by logical volumes. Can I reduce the size of the volume group? |
| 13:18.54 | massctrl | HostilePenguin : give me shell access |
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| 13:19.08 | A-L-A-R-M | i am not talking only about security fixes but generaly . |
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| 13:19.25 | corr | so sid is always the unstable branch? |
| 13:19.33 | tarzeau | yes |
| 13:19.37 | corr | thats so cool |
| 13:19.48 | tarzeau | experimental |
| 13:20.55 | corr | you know what's funny? that user friendly isn't. |
| 13:21.00 | A-L-A-R-M | so, to have my applications up-to-date i return on where the discussion started from, unstable repository ? |
| 13:21.16 | abrotman | please don't |
| 13:21.20 | HostilePenguin | lol |
| 13:21.27 | A-L-A-R-M | hehehe |
| 13:22.18 | A-L-A-R-M | well, but that means that if i keep for example my debian os for over 1 year on my system, i wont have any upgrade on any application. |
| 13:22.36 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: if you chose to run stable |
| 13:22.48 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: unless you update a few packages yourself |
| 13:22.52 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: or use backports |
| 13:22.55 | A-L-A-R-M | debian etch uses java 1.5 , lets say in 1 year there will be 1.7 , i will be still using 1.5 or what |
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| 13:22.57 | techbee | stumbles: man lvmresize |
| 13:23.03 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: debian etch has no sun java |
| 13:23.10 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: yes |
| 13:23.34 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: unless you upgrade java |
| 13:23.43 | tarzeau | MoDaX: but it doesn't exist? |
| 13:23.50 | A-L-A-R-M | i see |
| 13:23.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: it has java5 |
| 13:23.57 | stumbles | thanks techbee |
| 13:24.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: 5 is not 1.5? |
| 13:24.07 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 13:24.12 | MoDaX | tarzeau: 1.5 == 5 |
| 13:24.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: only at sun |
| 13:24.14 | A-L-A-R-M | yeap |
| 13:24.19 | tarzeau | but debian doesn't have sun java |
| 13:24.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: and? |
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| 13:24.28 | tarzeau | debian != sun |
| 13:24.40 | abrotman | !info sun-java5-jdk etch |
| 13:24.41 | dpkg | sun-java5-jdk: (Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 4923 kB, Installed size: 11420 kB |
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| 13:24.53 | tarzeau | that's not debian. it's non-free |
| 13:24.59 | abrotman | whatever |
| 13:25.01 | abrotman | it's available |
| 13:25.05 | dimir | !nickometer A-L-A-R-M |
| 13:25.07 | dpkg | 'A-L-A-R-M' is 99.810% lame, dimir |
| 13:25.16 | stumbles | techbee: i don't have lvmresize -- can you confirm this is the right command? |
| 13:25.37 | A-L-A-R-M | damn i am close to 100% |
| 13:25.48 | xand | how alarming |
| 13:25.53 | xand | alarmingly close! |
| 13:25.58 | A-L-A-R-M | :) |
| 13:26.00 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: you know, show me any other software distribution larger than debian |
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| 13:26.41 | techbee | stumbles: lvresize |
| 13:27.54 | HostilePenguin | debian is battling on the front lines of freedom |
| 13:27.57 | A-L-A-R-M | tarzeau, i am not trying to say if its wrong or right, as i dont know my self, i just asked. i was using kubuntu before getting to debian and there were all the latest releases . now i am on debian , happy to use it, and i just wondered if there is a way of letting my OS upgrade my applications to a newer version. anyway the whole discussion started with audacious , where i can find only 1.2.* in the debian repo and not a newer one |
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| 13:28.12 | spheard | um, how do I properly benchmark the connection on my server for latency, it seems very slow on the up. |
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| 13:28.19 | jelly-home | HostilePenguin: lol |
| 13:28.23 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: packages.debian.org/audacious |
| 13:28.40 | A-L-A-R-M | tarzeau, its a 1.2x version as a said . i didnt say that it doesnt exist |
| 13:28.44 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: i can find 1.3.2-4 |
| 13:29.08 | HostilePenguin | debian contributors are patriots and heros |
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| 13:29.23 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: and the homepage has 1.3.5 ... |
| 13:29.24 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: feisty has only 1.2.x too |
| 13:29.25 | stumbles | techbee: cool, i've resized the lv, but was wondering how to now reduce the vg & pv |
| 13:29.32 | A-L-A-R-M | could it be that i am mising a repo ? is it ok if i do paste here a link with my repository list ? |
| 13:29.40 | spheard | HostilePenguin: what are microsoft programmers? |
| 13:29.43 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: it's just you use stable. and i use sid |
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| 13:29.48 | A-L-A-R-M | ohh ok |
| 13:29.52 | HostilePenguin | part of the problem |
| 13:30.05 | A-L-A-R-M | well some told me its not that safe of using sid with etch |
| 13:30.18 | spheard | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:30.36 | spheard | the 3 that are left |
| 13:30.41 | Muisje | I'm in rescue mode, now what? |
| 13:30.47 | abrotman | A-L-A-R-M: they were wrong |
| 13:31.02 | MoDaX | Muisje: do you see your hdds? |
| 13:31.03 | techbee | stumbles:man pvresize vgchange |
| 13:31.07 | Muisje | Can't mount haddrive, i assume either the motherboard is malfunctioning, the psu became insufficient or the hdd is dead. |
| 13:31.18 | Muisje | It does show the hdd, but it can't mount it MoDaX |
| 13:31.28 | MoDaX | Muisje: what's the error? |
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| 13:31.35 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: actually you don't ever use sid + etch. you just use one. some people use selected backports (see !simple sid backport) |
| 13:31.39 | Muisje | How can i read syslog? |
| 13:31.44 | tarzeau | Muisje: in /var/log ? |
| 13:31.56 | tarzeau | Muisje: some people use grep, others less, or $EDITOR or tail -f |
| 13:32.02 | A-L-A-R-M | now i must say i got confused :) |
| 13:32.13 | MoDaX | Muisje: what does `mount` tell you? |
| 13:32.20 | A-L-A-R-M | ohh i see, dpkg> the unstable version of Debian |
| 13:32.27 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: is like you can't have two motors in a car |
| 13:32.35 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: either you driver the vw golf or the porsche |
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| 13:33.13 | A-L-A-R-M | thought that its kind of repository that i could add, but as i see its the unstable release |
| 13:33.30 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: yes unstable is a repository |
| 13:33.44 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: but you can not ADD it, you can use it (and nothing else, except +experimental) |
| 13:33.47 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: unstable is a continuously moving/changing target |
| 13:33.47 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 13:33.47 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 13:33.53 | A-L-A-R-M | <A-L-A-R-M> sid - dpkg> the unstable version of Debian |
| 13:33.54 | corr | i think its funny. motors are so complicated, so technologically advanced, and really all they do is spin something, over and over |
| 13:33.55 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 13:33.55 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 13:34.00 | tarzeau | i wonder how so many people don't get it, when it's so easy |
| 13:34.21 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: you know there's free and free |
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| 13:34.29 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: just like unstable and unstable |
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| 13:34.47 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: it's not like unstable hangs and reboots all half hours |
| 13:34.52 | A-L-A-R-M | Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither . i am newbie so i shouldnt touch i guess :) |
| 13:34.57 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: it's just not tested by so many people for so many hours |
| 13:35.25 | HostilePenguin | it will break |
| 13:35.26 | Muisje | can't find hda* in /etc/fsstab |
| 13:35.27 | A-L-A-R-M | what do u mean i cannot add it but use it ? |
| 13:35.31 | HostilePenguin | for sure |
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| 13:35.39 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: it's not that you add unstable to stable |
| 13:35.44 | corr | filesystem stab? |
| 13:35.46 | MoDaX | Muisje: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 13:35.46 | Muisje | can't find hda* in /etc/fsstab @ MoDaX |
| 13:35.52 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: that'd be mixing two repositories, you shall not do that |
| 13:35.55 | Muisje | ok |
| 13:36.02 | A-L-A-R-M | i see |
| 13:36.09 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: like you put salt and sugar in your tea |
| 13:36.11 | MoDaX | Muisje: succeeded? |
| 13:36.16 | HostilePenguin | so many shall nots |
| 13:36.32 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: sure you can do it, but the tea won't be nice |
| 13:36.33 | A-L-A-R-M | so or the one , or the second |
| 13:36.33 | Muisje | yes MoDaX |
| 13:36.33 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M: bingo |
| 13:36.35 | MoDaX | Muisje: chroot /mnt |
| 13:36.36 | corr | so what if sid and etch merged into an etch a sketch with a animated pic of sid on it |
| 13:36.40 | tarzeau | A-L-A-R-M for DPL! |
| 13:37.04 | wols_ | !tell corr about bobbitt |
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| 13:37.14 | Muisje | cannot execute MoDaX |
| 13:37.24 | corr | haha |
| 13:37.27 | wols_ | Muisje: you are not root? |
| 13:37.40 | MoDaX | Muisje: what's the error? |
| 13:37.49 | Muisje | ... /bin/sh : file cannot be found |
| 13:38.09 | Muisje | Shall i try mounting all hda's? |
| 13:38.16 | Muisje | Cause there's like hda1 till hda6 |
| 13:38.17 | A-L-A-R-M | tarzeau, thank you a lot , and the rest :) |
| 13:38.31 | MoDaX | Muisje: which /boot is on? |
| 13:38.37 | Muisje | i have no idea |
| 13:39.01 | Kill3er | :s |
| 13:39.02 | MoDaX | Muisje: what is in /mnt now? |
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| 13:39.22 | corr | Kill3er: escape codes. google.com |
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| 13:40.03 | MoDaX | Kill3er: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8603 |
| 13:40.50 | Kill3er | okie |
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| 13:42.33 | Muisje | it's now hda1 |
| 13:42.35 | Muisje | and hda6 |
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| 13:42.47 | Muisje | 2 and 5 say invalid argument |
| 13:42.52 | dimir | Kill3er: http://dimir.homelinux.net:81/tmp/colors.sh |
| 13:43.27 | stumbles | thanks techbee: have resized the pv down. What other steps are there before the free space should be apparent to my partitioner (gparted)? |
| 13:43.37 | MoDaX | Muisje: /mnt/usr/sbin/chroot /tmp |
| 13:43.40 | MoDaX | upst |
| 13:43.44 | MoDaX | Muisje: /mnt/usr/sbin/chroot /mnt |
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| 13:45.07 | Muisje | Cannot be found |
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| 13:45.21 | Muisje | the sbin dir exists |
| 13:45.23 | Kill3er | dimir : i donwload it at my root |
| 13:45.28 | Muisje | but chroot is not in it |
| 13:46.04 | MoDaX | Muisje: is there such thing as pivot_root? |
| 13:46.12 | MoDaX | Muisje: run pivot_root |
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| 13:46.46 | Muisje | the only thing in it |
| 13:46.49 | Muisje | is ttlyload |
| 13:47.08 | MoDaX | Muisje: /sbin/pivot_root |
| 13:47.29 | Kill3er | dimir : ??? |
| 13:47.34 | Kill3er | After |
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| 13:47.55 | Muisje | yes MoDaX |
| 13:47.58 | Muisje | How to use? |
| 13:48.09 | Muisje | ./sbin/pivot_root ... ...? |
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| 13:49.03 | MoDaX | Muisje: cd /mnt; pivot_root . old_root |
| 13:50.55 | icy | I got 3 ips and added the 2 additional ones to my /etc/network/interfaces but somehow I can't get em running. http://nopaste.biz/16965 this is my configuration and ifconfig output. Can someone help me solve this? |
| 13:51.19 | Muisje | Not working, pivot_root cannot be found |
| 13:51.45 | MoDaX | Muisje: cd /mnt; /sbin/pivot_root . old_root |
| 13:51.51 | MoDaX | maybe path is not set |
| 13:52.00 | MoDaX | Muisje: then check if /sbin/chroot exists |
| 13:52.01 | xand | icy: what works and what doesn't? |
| 13:52.11 | icy | xand: the main ip works |
| 13:52.50 | icy | if I add the second one like shown in the interface file, dns doesn't work anymore and the second ip also |
| 13:53.17 | abrotman | icy: paste route -n |
| 13:53.33 | Muisje | in /sbin/chroot YES, in /mnt/sbin/chroot, no |
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| 13:53.50 | asg | iirc, you can't set multiple gateways on virtual interfaces without using iproute2 and/or vlan tagging |
| 13:54.01 | icy | http://nopaste.biz/16966 |
| 13:54.12 | MoDaX | Muisje: nice. cd /; /sbin/chroot /mnt |
| 13:54.28 | abrotman | mmm .. two default gateways .. i think |
| 13:54.41 | dimir | Kill3er: echo -e "\033[31;1mfoo\033[32;1mbar\033[33;1mbaz\033[m" >> /etc/motd |
| 13:54.43 | Kill3er | dimir <-- are u here |
| 13:54.53 | Kill3er | okie |
| 13:55.30 | icy | abrotman: if I leave the gateway part out of the interfaces file for the second ip, the same problems arise |
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| 13:55.57 | Kill3er | dimir : done |
| 13:56.00 | Muisje | MoDaX chroot does not work, cannot find /bin/sh |
| 13:56.03 | Kill3er | after |
| 13:56.38 | dimir | Kill3er: cat /etc/motd |
| 13:56.41 | MoDaX | Muisje: SHELL=/bin/bash /sbin/chroot /mnt |
| 13:57.00 | Kill3er | foobarbaz |
| 13:57.05 | Kill3er | with color |
| 13:57.14 | dimir | NEEEEXT! |
| 13:57.27 | Kill3er | hh nice |
| 13:57.31 | icy | xand, abrotman: any ideas? |
| 13:58.09 | abrotman | icy: so when you take it out .. and reboot the server .. you get the same problem ? |
| 13:58.17 | MoDaX | icy: make sure you ifdown interface before modifying /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:58.18 | abrotman | icy: can you get into the server remotely ? |
| 13:58.21 | icy | yes but I can try again |
| 13:58.34 | Kill3er | now i will edit my motd |
| 13:58.34 | abrotman | icy: what if you route add default gw 84.16.251.1 |
| 13:58.44 | icy | abrotman: yep, ssh works although it takes 30s to connect when the second ip is added |
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| 13:58.51 | Kill3er | dimir : thx |
| 13:58.51 | Muisje | still asking for /bin/sh |
| 13:58.54 | abrotman | because dns is messed |
| 13:59.03 | icy | MoDaX: I did /etc/init.d/network restart |
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| 13:59.34 | MoDaX | icy: /etc/init.d/network stop; <modify interfaces file>; /etc/init.d/network start |
| 13:59.43 | icy | abrotman: then I get "SIOCADDRT: File exists" |
| 14:00.10 | icy | MoDaX: will that kill my ssh connection? I don't have physical access to the server |
| 14:00.44 | MoDaX | icy: it will. then ifdown the specific interface |
| 14:01.19 | MoDaX | Muisje: /sbin/chroot /mnt /bin/sh |
| 14:01.22 | MoDaX | Muisje: /sbin/chroot /mnt /bin/bash |
| 14:02.05 | icy | MoDaX: ifdown eth0:1 gives me "Ignoring unknown interface eth0:1=eth0:1" |
| 14:02.08 | Muisje | cannot execute either MoDaX |
| 14:02.17 | Muisje | Drive is probably dead... |
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| 14:02.28 | MoDaX | Muisje: does /mnt/bin/bash exist? |
| 14:02.48 | Muisje | nop |
| 14:03.02 | MoDaX | Muisje: does /mnt/bin exist? |
| 14:03.17 | Muisje | yes |
| 14:03.30 | MoDaX | Muisje: what's inside? |
| 14:03.33 | Muisje | ls, netstat, ps |
| 14:03.42 | MoDaX | how come there is no bash |
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| 14:03.50 | Muisje | I have no idea. |
| 14:04.02 | MoDaX | Muisje: mount | grep hda |
| 14:04.03 | Muisje | I told you, drive could be dead... |
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| 14:04.35 | MoDaX | Muisje: or hda1 is mounted to the wrong place :) |
| 14:04.44 | AlteKiet | Hi all. How can i print _to_ a printer shared by a windows machine on the network? |
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| 14:04.58 | Muisje | MoDaX, 2 are mounted |
| 14:05.00 | Muisje | 1 and 6 |
| 14:05.03 | abrotman | smpprint |
| 14:05.04 | Muisje | 2 and 3 refuse to mount |
| 14:05.06 | abrotman | smbprint |
| 14:05.07 | corr | _to_? is it possible to print _from_ a printer? |
| 14:05.09 | Muisje | ehm, 2 & 5 |
| 14:05.13 | MoDaX | Muisje: where? |
| 14:05.25 | AlteKiet | corr: not yet |
| 14:05.43 | corr | didnt think so |
| 14:05.48 | MoDaX | Muisje: hda1 probably has your system and hda6 is your /home |
| 14:05.55 | abrotman | where'd smbprint go ? |
| 14:06.07 | jelly-home | Hi, is zfs available on kfreebsd? |
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| 14:06.23 | corr | what is kfreebsd |
| 14:06.39 | MoDaX | debian with freebsd kernel |
| 14:06.39 | jelly-home | corr: Debian on freebsd kernel. |
| 14:06.46 | corr | oic |
| 14:06.54 | corr | thats kinda cool |
| 14:07.27 | corr | i heard about a debian win32 a while ago |
| 14:07.46 | massctrl | anyone experience troubleshooting mdadm raid1 ? |
| 14:07.50 | Muisje | yes MoDaX |
| 14:07.58 | Muisje | But Like i said, i think the HDD died |
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| 14:08.02 | MoDaX | Muisje: where is /dev/hda1 mounted now? |
| 14:08.07 | Muisje | in /mnt |
| 14:08.22 | Muisje | MoDaX, before this happened, files could not be found anymore |
| 14:08.30 | Muisje | And i couldn't login, so i rebooted the system |
| 14:08.38 | MoDaX | Muisje: and /dev/hda6? |
| 14:08.43 | massctrl | when starting my raid I get "mdadm: no devices found for /dev/md0" |
| 14:08.43 | Muisje | and got myself GRUB stage1.5 loading grub... pleasewait error 15 |
| 14:08.59 | Muisje | ./dev/hda6 is unmounted |
| 14:09.36 | MoDaX | Muisje: then probably you're right. either your hdd is near death or filesystem screwed up badly |
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| 14:10.05 | icy | anyone with more clues on my ip problem? |
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| 14:10.48 | MoDaX | icy: I have used eth0:1 thing. but I used `ip addr` for the same purpose |
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| 14:11.00 | MoDaX | have never* |
| 14:11.04 | asg | icy: I'd look at the advanced routing faq at lartc.org. You'll need to use iproute2 to get what you are trying to do to work. I'd also suggest being very careful if you are not located near the server. |
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| 14:11.32 | clars | how do I see how most data I got on /home + / ? |
| 14:11.53 | icy | asg: ok I will try that (I can boot into a rescue cd if anything goes wrong) |
| 14:12.16 | MoDaX | clars: df -h |
| 14:12.44 | sylvanthis | massctrl mdadm --C /dev/md0 --auto=yes -n 2 --level=yourlevel -a /dev/[hs]dax /dev/[hs]day |
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| 14:13.03 | Muisje | what are my options MoDaX? |
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| 14:13.08 | massctrl | sylvanthis: yes but that will create a new one and destroy my data not ? |
| 14:13.21 | Muisje | cause i really don't wanna lose everything on that disk |
| 14:13.24 | HostilePenguin | what to do if ssh hangs at logout |
| 14:13.34 | Muisje | Could also be the IDE controller of the system is broken |
| 14:13.49 | sylvanthis | no nothing will be destroyed, you could remove your array fist (no data will be deleted) and then assemble your array afterwards |
| 14:13.54 | Muisje | I hope it's not the drive |
| 14:14.21 | MoDaX | Muisje: find another computer, connect the hdd and backup data. then try reinstalling |
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| 14:15.52 | sylvanthis | Muisje, you could perform a badblock test to check hard disk integrity (though it might also return nothing on a dying harddisk) |
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| 14:15.56 | HostilePenguin | best way to monitor server traffic? |
| 14:16.02 | massctrl | sylvanthis: don't you use mdadm --assemble for that ? |
| 14:16.24 | unlink | is there any way to make dragging a file *from* a nautilus window not steal focus? |
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| 14:17.08 | sylvanthis | massctrl, if you remove the device first, no, but i think you can also add devices to an existing array |
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| 14:17.59 | sylvanthis | massctrl, if the devices are listed in the config file, you could use --assemble with --scan |
| 14:18.00 | Muisje | How about |
| 14:18.05 | Muisje | i hang my server haddrive |
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| 14:18.17 | Muisje | to my pc, and let Disk Recovery software go over it |
| 14:18.28 | clars | MoDaX, thanks |
| 14:18.29 | Muisje | Than my server will still be death |
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| 14:18.33 | Muisje | but i don't lose the files on it |
| 14:18.39 | massctrl | sylvanthis: that's the weird thing: when I do that I get mdadm: no devices found for /dev/md0, although they are in my config file and they are physically there |
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| 14:19.15 | sylvanthis | Muisje, i'd recommend first doing something like dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb , before it actually dies |
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| 14:19.51 | sylvanthis | massctrl, in that case i think you'd better actually remove the array, and recreate it, it's what i did some time ago and it worked for me |
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| 14:20.24 | Muisje | sylvanthis the disk isn't responding properly |
| 14:20.25 | mikearthur | hey guys, I've got an existing etch installation and a spare identical drive |
| 14:20.40 | mikearthur | is there any way to move my existing setup to raid-1 without a reinstall? |
| 14:20.41 | Muisje | it doesn't allow some stuff to be mounted and i donno but i'm forced to use disk Recovery software now |
| 14:20.48 | war | mikearthur: hi |
| 14:20.52 | Muisje | In hope of not losing DB, Files |
| 14:20.54 | war | mikearthur: I only do it without reinstall |
| 14:20.57 | war | mikearthur: boot knoppix |
| 14:21.03 | Muisje | Which are worth over more than thousands of euro's |
| 14:21.03 | war | mikearthur: setup your raid1 |
| 14:21.07 | war | mikearthur: and then chroot into it |
| 14:21.10 | war | mikearthur: and oyu're golden |
| 14:21.15 | war | mikearthur: that's the fastest way sir |
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| 14:21.33 | mikearthur | do you use LVM? |
| 14:21.36 | mikearthur | I'm not currently |
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| 14:21.51 | sylvanthis | Muisje, i had a dying harddisk, and i recommend (when it fails to mount) to use dd (it is the lowest level, it doesn't care about filesystems) and you could store that on a) directly another hdd b) on a local file on another harddisk |
| 14:21.57 | Muisje | The harddisk isn't DEAD |
| 14:21.59 | Muisje | lol... |
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| 14:22.28 | war | mikearthur: no |
| 14:22.31 | war | mikearthur: I would never use LVM |
| 14:22.36 | war | mikearthur: 30%-50% performance hit |
| 14:22.36 | mikearthur | cool |
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| 14:22.40 | mikearthur | eek! |
| 14:22.46 | mikearthur | any links to resources? |
| 14:22.50 | war | mikearthur: google , plenty |
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| 14:22.56 | war | mikearthur: btw |
| 14:22.59 | war | mikearthur: the kicker is |
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| 14:23.04 | mikearthur | I just meant if you had any you recommended off-hand |
| 14:23.07 | war | mikearthur: use 0.90 for your /boot volume or your screwed :) |
| 14:23.16 | mikearthur | 0.90? |
| 14:23.17 | Led_Zeppelin | I am trying to find my CDROM device. It seems my dmesg has been overrun. |
| 14:23.18 | war | I recommend 0.90 for all boot volumes |
| 14:23.24 | Led_Zeppelin | any ideas to find what my CDROM device would be? |
| 14:23.29 | Muisje | MoDaX, i'm quite sure the motherboard is having issues |
| 14:23.30 | war | mikearthur: the mdadm has a boot version 0.90, 1.0 etc for the bitmap |
| 14:23.33 | mikearthur | ah ok |
| 14:23.52 | war | raid info I mean |
| 14:23.57 | war | mikearthur: there are nog ood docs |
| 14:24.04 | sylvanthis | Led_Zeppelin, ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 14:24.06 | mikearthur | http://www.debian-administration.org/users/philcore/weblog/4 |
| 14:24.10 | mikearthur | this looks reasonable |
| 14:24.23 | Led_Zeppelin | sylvanthis: /dev/cdrom -> hdc |
| 14:24.32 | Led_Zeppelin | sylvanthis: /dev/hdc does not exist ! |
| 14:25.03 | war | mikearthur: if you want to boot knoppix and put ssh on I can show you how to configure it |
| 14:25.04 | sylvanthis | Led_Zeppelin, you tried dmesg | grep -i ide ? |
| 14:25.12 | war | mikearthur: but explaining takes = several hours |
| 14:25.17 | war | mikearthur: vs. doing = ~5 min;) |
| 14:25.30 | mikearthur | yeh, fair enough |
| 14:25.34 | Led_Zeppelin | sylvanthis: dmesg is overrun by older messages. |
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| 14:25.44 | mikearthur | no offence, but I don't trust random people with root access on my machines though ;) |
| 14:25.45 | Led_Zeppelin | sylvanthis: box has been up for 40+ days... |
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| 14:25.51 | mikearthur | I'll work it out, thanks for your help war |
| 14:25.53 | war | np. |
| 14:26.04 | war | make it like this is btw |
| 14:26.09 | war | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:26.15 | war | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:26.30 | war | and make sure you make the partitions on /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 (boot)-- bootable |
| 14:26.36 | sylvanthis | Led_Zeppelin, but /var/log/messages will add newer messages at the end of the file (append) so how is that possible? |
| 14:26.40 | war | and make sure its ext3 |
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| 14:26.52 | mikearthur | war: pmed current setup |
| 14:26.53 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 14:26.57 | HardDisk_WP | i have a scanner.. |
| 14:27.02 | HardDisk_WP | its supported by SANE. |
| 14:27.07 | HardDisk_WP | how do I scan a image now? |
| 14:27.17 | war | man scanimage |
| 14:27.38 | HardDisk_WP | is no GUI program available? |
| 14:28.08 | Led_Zeppelin | sylvanthis: -rw------- 1 root root 0 Jun 3 05:03 /var/log/messages |
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| 14:28.13 | Led_Zeppelin | sylvanthis: does not look good! |
| 14:28.23 | illo | hello, is there a way to know if a cdrom was formatted with 512b blocks? is fdisk reliable for cds? i have problems booting linux on an alphaserver that was dumped into my office and was checking if cdroms lying around were the right size (googling around alphas might need 512 b not 2048) |
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| 14:28.55 | corr | i thought all cdroms had the same filesystem settings? |
| 14:28.58 | corr | iso9660 |
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| 14:29.04 | sylvanthis | Led_Zeppelin, overwritten apparently, maybe you should try a reboot |
| 14:29.09 | solars_ | hey, is it possible to specify where the arguments in an alias are inserted? eg I want something like: alias fu="mycmd <args> ~/path" so that fu -bar returns fu -bar ~/path |
| 14:29.29 | Led_Zeppelin | sylvanthis: doh, looks like the only solution |
| 14:29.30 | Led_Zeppelin | thanks |
| 14:29.32 | maddash | solars_: $1 |
| 14:29.53 | solars_ | maddash, damn, that was obvious.. |
| 14:30.00 | maddash | solars_: no, $@ |
| 14:30.01 | illo | corr it ought to be something bootable from srm firmware, AFAIHG (as far i have googled) |
| 14:30.17 | solars_ | maddash, thanks |
| 14:30.18 | abrotman | !alpha |
| 14:30.18 | dpkg | WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. #alpha |
| 14:30.19 | maddash | solars_: if you want to pass a multiple params, use $@ |
| 14:30.25 | solars_ | maddash, yeah |
| 14:30.34 | illo | ok ok |
| 14:31.04 | abrotman | illo: FWIW .. i found it easier to do my alpha installs with floppies :) |
| 14:31.04 | maddash | abrotman: did you just create that? |
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| 14:31.04 | abrotman | maddash: no |
| 14:32.30 | sylvanthis | builtin exit |
| 14:33.09 | solars_ | maddash, hm, alias fu="fu $@ bar" doesn't seem to work for me |
| 14:33.16 | jelly-home | abrotman: what about its bastard child ia64? |
| 14:33.23 | illo | abrotman, i tried potato or woody rescue floppy, it failed halfway. Maybe media prob. I will have to buy new floppies (it must be 10 years i don't) |
| 14:33.34 | abrotman | jelly-home: ia64 isn't nearly as good as alpha :) |
| 14:33.41 | abrotman | illo: i used sarge floppies IIRC |
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| 14:34.14 | illo | well i'll give it a try thanks abrotman. |
| 14:34.34 | abrotman | illo: admittedly .. my CDROM was external .. so that might have made it more difficult |
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| 14:34.58 | abrotman | illo: IIRC .. tarzeau has some alpha hardware |
| 14:35.27 | maddash | solars_: ls -h ; alias ls='ls $@ -l' ; ls -h |
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| 14:35.45 | corr | i wish i could run vms in an emulator |
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| 14:36.00 | illo | abrotman, since the alphaserver internal cd burps out whatever is put after a mere 2 seconds i guess that being internal prevented me throwing it out the windows, so indeed being internal it's an advantage |
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| 14:36.29 | abrotman | illo: i htink i was using SRM also .. dunno if that matters either |
| 14:36.36 | abrotman | no .. wait .. it was ARC i think |
| 14:36.40 | abrotman | stupid prom |
| 14:36.51 | maddash | 'prom'? |
| 14:36.55 | maddash | loser. |
| 14:36.56 | illo | abrotman I have to use srm for the alphaserver |
| 14:36.59 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:37.01 | corr | prom? as in dancing and getting laid prom? |
| 14:37.02 | abrotman | illo: you have to ? |
| 14:37.12 | abrotman | how is 'prom' loser ? |
| 14:37.13 | bolt | where can I set wherether my clock is set to GMT or not? |
| 14:37.13 | illo | abrotman doc say so |
| 14:37.22 | abrotman | bolt: /etc/default/rc.S |
| 14:37.25 | corr | or almost getting laid except that stupid guy stole my chick |
| 14:37.27 | abrotman | illo: which docs ? |
| 14:37.27 | statman | test |
| 14:37.34 | abrotman | corr: stop already |
| 14:37.44 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 14:37.44 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 14:37.44 | illo | abrotman debian docs |
| 14:37.54 | abrotman | illo: AFAIK .. you can use either .. but ok |
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| 14:38.20 | abrotman | illo: might be machine dependent |
| 14:38.57 | illo | abrotman yep it is IIRC |
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| 14:40.02 | illo | abrotman, how much does an alphaserver suck (power consumption wise, of course? ) all those power inlets made me wonder :) |
| 14:40.05 | abrotman | rmwaite: dont' msg me .. and don't change nicks to avoid detection |
| 14:40.25 | abrotman | illo: depends on the one you have .. i just have three alphastation 200/4 boxen |
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| 14:40.46 | rmwaite | i changed nicks because this one is registered, and i didnt want to register corr, and it wont let me private message without identifying. |
| 14:40.59 | rmwaite | i pm'd you so i didnt fill the channel with off topic stuff |
| 14:41.05 | rmwaite | jesus, what the hell did i do |
| 14:41.05 | abrotman | you already did |
| 14:41.17 | illo | abrotman i have a 1200, or better, it resides around here |
| 14:41.28 | abrotman | illo: lucky duck :) |
| 14:41.38 | solars_ | maddash, are you sure that the arguments are in that order then? ls doesn't complain if its ls -h -l or ls -l -h I guess |
| 14:41.38 | massctrl | how can I selectively choose which init script has to be executed during startup ? |
| 14:41.40 | rmwaite | and avoid detection from what? |
| 14:41.52 | abrotman | illo: but i did have better lcuk with floppies .. i tried TFTP .. which i never got working correctly |
| 14:42.25 | statman | So, I have this debian machine that someone else set up. I did a 'sudo apt-get update' and on the next reboot, it couldn't find my root partition and gave a kernel panic. After some reading I changed hda1 to sda1 in menu.lst and can now login just fine. The only trouble is, up issuing startx gives the familiar X background and mouse cursor, but then just sits there -- no debian splash screen, no gnome. I've checked messages and |
| 14:42.25 | statman | this seems to be a problem with gconfd. Is there an easy way to repair gnome using aptitude? Thanks |
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| 14:42.42 | maddash | solars_: you could always prefix your alias with a pipe from xargs |
| 14:42.45 | illo | abrotman, tftp was what i was to try next, but i think i will give floppies another round |
| 14:42.46 | Ramattack | hi |
| 14:43.02 | Ramattack | anyone that know something about iptables? in #iptables there's nobody |
| 14:43.07 | solars_ | maddash, yeah, just wondered if there is a different way without xargs |
| 14:43.11 | abrotman | Ramattack: ask a better question |
| 14:43.26 | rmwaite | abrotman: am i going to get an answer? |
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| 14:43.42 | Ramattack | well I'll expose my situation |
| 14:43.50 | abrotman | rmwaite: leave me alone |
| 14:44.05 | rmwaite | then you leave me alone |
| 14:44.12 | rmwaite | and stop accusing me of things. |
| 14:44.14 | Ramattack | have two firewalls and behind one we have lan and behind the other with dmz1 and dmz2.... |
| 14:44.17 | maddash | statman: reinstall it? |
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| 14:44.33 | Ramattack | we have connected fw1 and fw2 with a utp5 |
| 14:44.43 | Ramattack | how could we connect from lan to dmz1 and dmz2? |
| 14:44.52 | unlink | in banshee, i get the error message "please insert a blank cd for the write process", despite having a blank cd inserted into the cd drive, and there being a symlink from /dev/cdrom and /dev/cdrw to the right cd device, and me having the appropriate permissions to write to those devices |
| 14:45.02 | MoDaX | statman: aptitude install gdm |
| 14:45.24 | massctrl | my debian box hangs while booting during initialisation of mdadm,... how can I skip this init script while booting? |
| 14:45.25 | StormBlade | hi all. i can |
| 14:45.27 | statman | maddash: well, I'm sort of worried that aptitude is broken, as it seems to want to remove like 600 packages that is says are no longer in use. But I'll give your suggestion a try |
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| 14:45.47 | MoDaX | statman: use apt-get then |
| 14:45.47 | abrotman | unlink: does another burning application work ? |
| 14:45.53 | brrr | \join |
| 14:45.56 | StormBlade | i can't hear sound in totem at gnome.what can i do ? |
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| 14:46.23 | maddash | statman: tell aptitude to forget the changes |
| 14:46.44 | statman | maddash: I'm more comfortable with apt-get |
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| 14:47.02 | unlink | abrotman: cdrecord does |
| 14:47.05 | unlink | abrotman: i mean, wodim |
| 14:47.22 | maddash | statman: the apt-get --purge remove gdm ; apt-get install gdm |
| 14:47.26 | abrotman | as root or a normal user ? |
| 14:47.44 | maddash | statman: you realize that aptitude has a gui, right? |
| 14:47.51 | abrotman | "gui" :) |
| 14:47.56 | unlink | abrotman: normal user |
| 14:48.04 | statman | maddash: thanks, I'll let you know how it goes! |
| 14:48.06 | maddash | abrotman: more like, *GUI* |
| 14:48.12 | abrotman | unlink: been to the BTS ? |
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| 14:49.56 | unlink | abrotman: there's nothing in there about this issue |
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| 14:50.55 | abrotman | i'd say you're going to have to do some debugging .. might not actually be a banshee issue but something lower |
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| 14:51.26 | unlink | abrotman: it doesn't work in brasero either |
| 14:51.37 | abrotman | is brasero also mono-based ? |
| 14:52.01 | unlink | abrotman: no, it's written in C |
| 14:52.03 | abrotman | unlink: try something like gnomebaker .. |
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| 14:52.09 | abrotman | unlink: and check dmesg and your syslog etc |
| 14:52.11 | unlink | ok |
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| 14:52.25 | takeros | hi! |
| 14:52.33 | takeros | somebody know to use tvtime.? |
| 14:53.08 | takeros | eoeoe |
| 14:53.11 | illo | takeros i know how to see analog tv from mplayer |
| 14:53.18 | xand | !anyone |
| 14:53.19 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:53.20 | illo | if hardware is supported |
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| 14:53.43 | takeros | i have dvb-t |
| 14:53.51 | illo | takeros use kaffeine then |
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| 14:53.52 | takeros | avermedia, it work fine with xine.. |
| 14:54.05 | takeros | and kaffeine work fine with it.. |
| 14:54.10 | illo | kaffeine uses xine iirc |
| 14:54.39 | takeros | the problem is whe i try to generate script tv-program with tvtime.. |
| 14:55.10 | takeros | i use freevo and it say, the file its corrupt. |
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| 14:56.28 | covux | hi, i try to run jackd which uses realtime scheduling via PAM in a console and it always complains that it cant use realtime scheduling. i know that PAM is configured right ( kernel has realtime patch, entries in /etc/security/limits.conf, user is member of group which has realtime access etc.) because in a windowmanager jackd starts in realtime without complains but in a console it doesnt. thanks for any hints |
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| 14:56.42 | illo | takeros, sorry i never used tvtime nor freevo. I just pick up what kaffeine's timers record with mplayer, and encode them to something less unwieldy than a 15000kbps stream :) |
| 14:57.17 | takeros | do you use kaffeine's to record..? tv? how do you program the records..? |
| 14:58.44 | StormBlade | all volume parameters are full but i still can't hear sound in totem. What can i do |
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| 15:00.03 | HostilePenguin | just totem? |
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| 15:01.38 | illo | takeros you have instant record, as menu command and as button somewhere down. Or press T to show timers |
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| 15:02.08 | illo | timers are the ways to record, you program them with channel, start time and duration. |
| 15:03.32 | illo | when you see a red light kaffeine is recording, anyway it warns you if you try to quit when it's recording |
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| 15:05.41 | theclaw | hi, i have the following problem: whenever i try to start zsnes, i get: "can't create mcop directory"; |
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| 15:05.57 | Legality | hi, hey how could I set the language to the debian? |
| 15:05.59 | Legality | locales |
| 15:06.00 | theclaw | seems that its a arts bug or so, but updaten arts didn't help |
| 15:06.11 | theclaw | s/updaten/updating/ |
| 15:06.34 | MoDaX | Legality: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:06.35 | JarJarBinks | do I get a chance of attaching a diff (patch) when I use reportbug, or should I paste the patch in the report it self |
| 15:06.41 | Legality | thanks |
| 15:07.06 | spheard | um, I get an unmet dependancy error when I try and install php5 on my sparc64 debian, any ideas on how to debug this? |
| 15:07.10 | MoDaX | theclaw: clean up /tmp and ~/.kde/tmp-* |
| 15:07.18 | azeem | JarJarBinks: I think it asks you whether you want to attach anything |
| 15:07.29 | azeem | JarJarBinks: if not, you can also follow-up with the patch later on, no worry |
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| 15:08.33 | JarJarBinks | ohh, sure thanks azeem |
| 15:08.38 | theclaw | MoDaX: trying that (will reboot, so /tmp is recreated as its a tmpfs, and create a new user with a clean ~) |
| 15:08.41 | theclaw | brb |
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| 15:11.32 | HardDisk_WP | is anyone here familiar with SANE? |
| 15:11.52 | xand | !anyone |
| 15:11.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:12.16 | HardDisk_WP | i can scan only as root |
| 15:12.19 | roland^^ | is lenny suitable for desktops ? |
| 15:12.23 | roland^^ | yet |
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| 15:12.33 | dvs | HardDisk_WP: you probably need to join a group |
| 15:12.34 | xand | roland^^: that's up to you ;p |
| 15:12.37 | HardDisk_WP | roland^^, i use lenny here, everything except my rotten scanner works |
| 15:12.56 | roland^^ | ok thans |
| 15:13.01 | roland^^ | thanks |
| 15:13.08 | theclaw | MoDaX: didn't help, same as before |
| 15:13.46 | HardDisk_WP | dvs, hmm that is a idea |
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| 15:13.48 | theclaw | MoDaX: however, i just figured out that it helps to start a kde-application like amarok |
| 15:13.57 | hyperactivecrond | something's wrong with my xor. |
| 15:13.59 | hyperactivecrond | g* |
| 15:14.03 | theclaw | MoDaX: then it works - any idea why? / thats an arts bug, isn't it? |
| 15:14.09 | HardDisk_WP | yepp worked |
| 15:14.14 | hyperactivecrond | if i log in as someone other than root, kdm crashes |
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| 15:14.25 | spheard | has someone got a good lamp setup howto for 3.1? |
| 15:14.35 | hyperactivecrond | OR even if i try startx from a text login after stopping kdm, it still crashes |
| 15:14.36 | hyperactivecrond | if i'm not root |
| 15:14.40 | unlink | abrotman: Jun 9 11:13:41 shatin kernel: cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! |
| 15:14.42 | hyperactivecrond | this is under deb 4.0 |
| 15:14.46 | MoDaX | theclaw: probably. arts is unmaintained |
| 15:14.54 | \amethyst | hyperactivecrond: are you using fglrx? |
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| 15:15.02 | hyperactivecrond | \amethyst : on |
| 15:15.02 | hyperactivecrond | no* |
| 15:15.17 | \amethyst | hyperactivecrond: oh, you said "crashes" not "locks up" anyway :) |
| 15:15.21 | unlink | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/N06rAC34.html |
| 15:15.22 | hyperactivecrond | :) |
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| 15:16.37 | bolt | With netstat I see "udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 2069/atftpd" yet I still get "tftp/udp: bind: Address already in use" in my logs. Any ideas? |
| 15:16.40 | theclaw | MoDaX: hrm.. i think its more a libao-bug, because zsnes uses libao, and in the zsnes-source theres no hard-coded "libao, use arts!" ;) |
| 15:16.56 | hyperactivecrond | it seems that it a font that isn't readable by users other than root |
| 15:17.04 | theclaw | MoDaX: an in my /etc/libao.conf is alsa configured |
| 15:17.05 | hyperactivecrond | but idk what though as xorg doesn't give any suseful output |
| 15:17.53 | MoDaX | hyperactivecrond: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:18.04 | theclaw | +d |
| 15:18.10 | theclaw | (sorry for the bad english) |
| 15:19.49 | hyperactivecrond | ok it's a KDE problem then |
| 15:19.59 | hyperactivecrond | b/c TWMworks |
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| 15:20.14 | theclaw | brb trying somethink |
| 15:20.17 | theclaw | something |
| 15:22.46 | MoDaX | hyperactivecrond: mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old |
| 15:23.00 | pat10 | hi evreybody!! |
| 15:23.11 | hyperactivecrond | MoDaX it does that under other accounts, too |
| 15:23.19 | hyperactivecrond | any non-root account |
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| 15:23.37 | MoDaX | hyperactivecrond: start failsafe session |
| 15:23.38 | eduhat | hey guys, can i just apt-get install gdm to get it? then run the command 'gdm' to start it? |
| 15:23.42 | MoDaX | hyperactivecrond: and run startkde |
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| 15:24.06 | eduhat | allright, nvm |
| 15:24.11 | MoDaX | eduhat: yes; /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 15:24.32 | eduhat | MoDaX: yeah, i had to run as root... |
| 15:24.33 | hyperactivecrond | MoDaX will do han gon |
| 15:25.07 | cusco | hi |
| 15:25.14 | hyperactivecrond | MoDaX still crashes |
| 15:25.16 | cusco | I have been using testing with a 2.4 kernel |
| 15:25.31 | MoDaX | hyperactivecrond: any error? |
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| 15:25.36 | hyperactivecrond | MoDaX: no |
| 15:25.43 | hyperactivecrond | twm won't even work from that menu |
| 15:25.54 | cusco | now it came to a point where upgrading packages includes new glibc and it requires a kernel 2.6 |
| 15:26.12 | MoDaX | hyperactivecrond: you mean startkde brings X server down? |
| 15:26.27 | cusco | this computer is used as my home server.. I have no screen or mouse or keyboard attached to it.. |
| 15:26.28 | massctrl | how can I stop debian from detecting mdadm raid devices at boot? when booting it keeps saying "can not find suitable devices for md0" in an endless loop,... I boot with a bootcd what should I modify so debian doesn't try to launch md0 ? |
| 15:26.30 | hyperactivecrond | MoDaX no the failsafe option crashes it |
| 15:26.33 | cusco | I am now installing a new linux-image |
| 15:26.40 | hyperactivecrond | all options on the sessions menu crash |
| 15:26.41 | hyperactivecrond | x |
| 15:26.58 | cusco | is tehre any advices? will grub update the selection of the new image autoamatically? |
| 15:27.38 | roland^^ | hi, i have a problem with my debian box, i've installed the HD containing etch(installed on a separate machine, a p4) and then moved it to my pentium III box (dell optiplex) but now the NIC is not working, something must be wrong.. its a old 3com mb integrated card.. when i dmesg | grep eth nothing shows up, but then i have ifconfig eth1 .. i did activate eth1 but now on the other pc( i have p4 connected to p3 directly) windows says: a network cable is un |
| 15:27.42 | roland^^ | what could be wrong |
| 15:27.44 | cusco | im still using hotplug and all... |
| 15:27.50 | hyperactivecrond | MoDaX if i run startx from a terminal after stopping kdm it still doesn't work if i try to run kde |
| 15:28.02 | hyperactivecrond | with 'exec startkde' in my .xinitrc |
| 15:28.24 | hyperactivecrond | but if i tell it to try to run twm it works |
| 15:28.28 | hyperactivecrond | but not in kdm |
| 15:28.31 | MoDaX | hyperactivecrond: ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 15:28.34 | hyperactivecrond | from the sessions menu |
| 15:28.41 | roland^^ | i also tested the cable by connecting it to a router and leds on nic and router port show activity |
| 15:28.47 | roland^^ | something is wrong with my debian there |
| 15:29.11 | cusco | roland^^: tried see lspci? |
| 15:29.15 | cusco | lspci|grep -i eth |
| 15:29.19 | roland^^ | trying now |
| 15:29.21 | roland^^ | brb |
| 15:29.35 | hyperactivecrond | -rwxr-xr-x root root 3944 2007-02-20 04:07 /etc /X11/Xsession |
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| 15:30.49 | roland^^ | ok i tried |
| 15:30.53 | roland^^ | i dont have lspci |
| 15:30.57 | roland^^ | i did a netinstall |
| 15:31.16 | cusco | neet pcitools |
| 15:31.18 | cusco | I think |
| 15:31.19 | cusco | need |
| 15:31.31 | roland^^ | yes but i cant i dont have any conectivity on that box, its isolated because of the nic problem |
| 15:31.42 | roland^^ | i installed debian on the p4 because the cdrom on p3 didnt work |
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| 15:32.20 | roland^^ | maybe i need to reinstall debian on the p3 now? |
| 15:32.26 | cusco | roland^^: did it detected it on the netinstall process? |
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| 15:32.42 | hyperactivecrond | OO i found an error |
| 15:32.45 | hyperactivecrond | i got kde to almost start |
| 15:32.47 | roland^^ | cusco: i installed the debian on the P3's HDD on a P4 with different NICs/hardware |
| 15:32.53 | hyperactivecrond | it complains about not being able to write to /tmp |
| 15:33.01 | cusco | right |
| 15:33.04 | MoDaX | hyperactivecrond: heh |
| 15:33.09 | wols_ | roland^^: cat /proc/bus/pci/devices |
| 15:33.16 | wols_ | roland^^: no you don't |
| 15:33.16 | cusco | perhabs you should try the floppyinst |
| 15:33.19 | hyperactivecrond | MoDaX should i get rid of anything in /tmp that has kde in it? |
| 15:33.22 | cusco | or I am not the persond to advise you |
| 15:33.39 | roland^^ | brb |
| 15:33.43 | MoDaX | hyperactivecrond: or restart pc |
| 15:33.45 | cusco | there |
| 15:33.45 | roland^^ | damn i need a kvm switch :) |
| 15:33.49 | hyperactivecrond | MoDaX it's been doing this |
| 15:33.52 | hyperactivecrond | for a lil while |
| 15:33.57 | hyperactivecrond | read: Yesterday |
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| 15:34.18 | MoDaX | hyperactivecrond: ls -ld /tmp |
| 15:34.26 | roland^^ | wols_ what should i specifically look for in the output of that ? for a string '3com' or 'eth' ? |
| 15:34.32 | hyperactivecrond | drwxr-xr-x /tmp |
| 15:34.40 | hyperactivecrond | owned by root |
| 15:34.44 | hyperactivecrond | lemme chmod it to 777 |
| 15:34.50 | wols_ | for anything that could be your eth1 right now |
| 15:34.58 | MoDaX | hyperactivecrond: yeah, you should |
| 15:35.02 | cusco | wols_: while you;re here... I was using a 2.4 kernel for some time, now apt-get upgrade broke due to the new glibc - asks me for kernel 2.6... meanwhile I was using aptitude to install linux image 2.6 and aptitude errors out due to the previous dependency errors of glibc |
| 15:35.02 | roland^^ | ok |
| 15:35.06 | cusco | follow? |
| 15:35.18 | hyperactivecrond | eek i did -R |
| 15:35.31 | MoDaX | hyperactivecrond: and it won't be enough |
| 15:35.32 | wols_ | cusco: install a sarge 2.6 krenel |
| 15:35.45 | hyperactivecrond | now it's complaining about stuff with suspicous ownership permissions |
| 15:35.55 | MoDaX | hyperactivecrond: sec |
| 15:35.57 | hyperactivecrond | MoDaX should i just get rid of everything in /tmp |
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| 15:36.05 | hyperactivecrond | then just re-create everything i need? |
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| 15:36.09 | MoDaX | hyperactivecrond: /tmp pers are still wrong |
| 15:36.13 | MoDaX | perms* |
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| 15:36.49 | cusco | wols_: where from? |
| 15:36.52 | hyperactivecrond | suspicious mode on /tmp/.X11-unix |
| 15:36.52 | cusco | ah yes form sarge |
| 15:36.55 | wols_ | cusco: from sarge |
| 15:36.55 | hyperactivecrond | not 1777 |
| 15:36.58 | cusco | why? doesn;t sarge use udev? |
| 15:37.03 | roland^^ | wols_ , in all the cryptic output, meaningfull to my eth device is the presence of the string : 3c59x |
| 15:37.08 | wols_ | cusco: whotf cares? |
| 15:37.14 | MoDaX | hyperactivecrond: yes, do chmod 1777 /tmp |
| 15:37.15 | hyperactivecrond | i chmod and it works |
| 15:37.18 | hyperactivecrond | got it |
| 15:37.22 | hyperactivecrond | thanks modax |
| 15:37.26 | MoDaX | hyperactivecrond: ls -ld /tmp ? |
| 15:37.26 | wols_ | roland^^: so you have a driver loaded. so what's the problem? |
| 15:37.29 | cusco | well... why use a sarge kernel? I don;t understand |
| 15:37.39 | MoDaX | hybridiZ1_: should be drwxrwxrwt |
| 15:37.40 | roland^^ | wols_ , well i do have 3c59x loaded i knew this before |
| 15:37.46 | MoDaX | upst |
| 15:37.47 | roland^^ | brb |
| 15:37.48 | wols_ | cause the sarge 2.6 kernel will be able to deal with your sarge libc6 |
| 15:38.05 | cusco | wols_: but Im not using a sarge glibc I think |
| 15:38.25 | cusco | am I? |
| 15:38.27 | wols_ | cusco:so what do you use then? |
| 15:38.46 | stew | sarge 2.6 kernel can't deal with sarge libc6? |
| 15:38.55 | cusco | etch was testing when I installed the 2.4 linux image |
| 15:38.57 | roland^^ | well windows still says on LAN connection : a network cable is unplugged |
| 15:38.59 | roland^^ | i wonder why |
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| 15:39.07 | cusco | I just used testing... so now I am using lenny |
| 15:39.15 | cusco | I always apt-get upgraded |
| 15:39.26 | wols_ | stew: he upgrades without reading release notes while running a 2.4 kernel |
| 15:39.47 | stew | wols_: and? |
| 15:39.48 | wols_ | yes, but you never upgraded your kernel |
| 15:40.01 | cusco | no, I didn't feel the need for it... |
| 15:40.02 | wols_ | stew: lenny libc6 complains cause it can't run under a 2.6 kernel |
| 15:40.13 | stew | wols_: huh? no, that's not true |
| 15:40.28 | wols_ | erm, under a 2.4 kernel. sorry |
| 15:40.38 | stew | wols_: that's not true either |
| 15:40.45 | wols_ | and he can't upgrade the kernel cause for that he needs a newer libc6... |
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| 15:41.21 | wols_ | stew: then give cusco different packages cause the ones he gets from lenny right now say exactly that |
| 15:41.21 | stew | a newer libcy than the lenny libc6 is needed to upgrade from a 2.4 kernel? |
| 15:41.51 | MoDaX | stew: you need libc6 from etch |
| 15:41.57 | stew | for what? |
| 15:42.09 | MoDaX | to upgrade from 2.4 |
| 15:42.13 | wols_ | stew: maybe you should read the backlog? |
| 15:42.16 | MoDaX | sid's won't work |
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| 15:42.24 | cusco | im not sure, I think I already had libc6, today I went to upgrade packages... and a new version says it needs linux 2.6 |
| 15:42.47 | MoDaX | cusco: 2.5 and up needs 2.6 |
| 15:42.49 | azeem | testing and unstable need 2.6 now |
| 15:42.56 | azeem | linux-2.6, that is |
| 15:43.02 | stew | wols_: in fact the release notes tell you to upgrade from a 2.4 kernel after getting the newer libc6 in some situations |
| 15:43.10 | stew | oh wait |
| 15:43.14 | stew | i am confused |
| 15:43.17 | wols_ | cusco: dpkg -i a sarge or etch 2.6 kernel, then run apt-get -f install to fix your apt, then apt-get upgrade normally |
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| 15:43.28 | cusco | I was using 2.4.... and never had problems now.. so OK I see I need a 2.6 kernel |
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| 15:43.46 | cusco | when I try to install linux image 2.6, I get problems |
| 15:43.55 | azeem | cusco: can you paste the error message to a pastebin, please? |
| 15:43.57 | cusco | ok... |
| 15:44.00 | cusco | sure |
| 15:44.04 | azeem | thx |
| 15:44.05 | abhi | there are some applications whose theme turned to something different in kde. when i starts the gnome-theme-manager , themes becomes default as in kde? help pls |
| 15:44.07 | cusco | http://rafb.net/p/QMVALI92.html |
| 15:44.09 | MoDaX | cusco: 2.4 hasn't been supported for a long time now |
| 15:44.26 | azeem | MoDaX: not supported doesn't mean "impossible to use" |
| 15:44.34 | wols_ | MoDaX: it's still supported. for almost a year still. sarge has 2.4 |
| 15:44.34 | azeem | the latter is only true since this week (for testing) |
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| 15:44.56 | MoDaX | I'm talking about sid |
| 15:44.57 | wols_ | cusco: I told you to use dpkg -i |
| 15:44.58 | cusco | MoDaX: I noticed that 2.4 images weren't available any longer on the repositories.. but ... yes well.. |
| 15:45.07 | stew | i was getting lenny and etch confues, i apologize |
| 15:45.09 | cusco | wols_: ok ok I'll give it a go |
| 15:45.20 | stew | cusco: 2.4 images are still available for sarge |
| 15:45.35 | MoDaX | stable is stable |
| 15:45.39 | cusco | ok... |
| 15:45.40 | azeem | cusco: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 15:45.44 | cusco | testing |
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| 15:45.59 | MoDaX | that one is also a moving target |
| 15:46.01 | azeem | ok |
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| 15:46.40 | cusco | ok I will install the latest sarge 2.6 kernel |
| 15:47.04 | pihhan | hello |
| 15:47.05 | cusco | one more thing, this computer is currently my home server, it has no screen... I am counting that I won't need one |
| 15:47.07 | wols_ | cusco: use an etch one perhaps |
| 15:47.17 | cusco | you reckon? |
| 15:47.30 | stew | cusco: wait, if you are using lenny, why not use a kernel from lenny? |
| 15:47.40 | cusco | stew: precisely |
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| 15:47.42 | cusco | yes |
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| 15:47.52 | cusco | I need to install it directly with dpkg -i |
| 15:47.56 | pihhan | can someone help me to print from linux to windows printer? |
| 15:48.06 | pihhan | cups as client to samba printer on xp |
| 15:48.18 | pihhan | it used to work, but not now |
| 15:48.20 | cusco | ok, I will go for a walk on the park nopw, I will deal with it later. thanks very much for your attention :P |
| 15:48.22 | xand | pihhan: have you tried? |
| 15:48.25 | cusco | I will bug you all again alter |
| 15:48.40 | MoDaX | cusco: yes, use etch kernel |
| 15:48.40 | pihhan | xand, yes, i had it configured before |
| 15:48.57 | pihhan | it does say something about tickets in error_log |
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| 15:49.11 | pihhan | well target is in domain, but in samba domain without any tickets |
| 15:49.21 | wamty | Where did #Debian here moved too again? |
| 15:49.34 | wamty | i forgot the name of the other IRC network |
| 15:49.34 | wols_ | wamty: english please |
| 15:49.39 | wols_ | !oftc |
| 15:49.40 | dpkg | [oftc] the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 15:49.43 | wamty | thanks |
| 15:49.59 | abhi | there are some applications whose theme turned to something different in kde. when i starts the gnome-theme-manager , themes becomes default as in kde? help pls |
| 15:50.39 | MoDaX | abhi: kde apps? |
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| 15:51.01 | bolatax | help! i have one compact flash in my computer and one hard disk, with what command can I know if a device in my computer is a hard disk or a compact flash? |
| 15:51.03 | abhi | MoDaX: this happens to xchat and other apps. |
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| 15:52.05 | MoDaX | abhi: these are gtk apps. kde does not fully control their look&feel |
| 15:52.05 | A-L-A-R-M | when i check an mp3 from the properties about its meta info , the title,artists,album... are show with symbols like: "Óáí ìáãåìÝíï ôï ìõáëü ìïõ" , although the file name is written correctly . i use kde on debian etch . what changes do i need to do ? |
| 15:52.06 | MoDaX | abhi: try gtk-theme-switch |
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| 15:52.42 | wols_ | A-L-A-R-M: you sure the ID3 tags of the mp3 are set correctly and doN#t contain gibberish? |
| 15:52.42 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: what language are they in? |
| 15:52.43 | abhi | MoDaX: how to do that? |
| 15:52.44 | A-L-A-R-M | yes. for sure |
| 15:52.47 | A-L-A-R-M | greek |
| 15:52.54 | horrng | 有说中文的吗。 |
| 15:52.58 | MoDaX | abhi: install and run gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 15:53.20 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: encoding mismatch |
| 15:53.22 | abhi | MoDaX: thanks, let me try this. |
| 15:53.23 | A-L-A-R-M | i just did dpkg-reconfigure locales and added iso and utf for greek but didnt seem to change something |
| 15:53.50 | xand | wols_: does gibberish == non-ascii? :) |
| 15:53.52 | \amethyst | A-L-A-R-M: did you log out and back in after you did that? |
| 15:54.03 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: change default locale in dpkg-reconfigure locales and restart kde |
| 15:54.06 | A-L-A-R-M | no, didnt know its needed |
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| 15:54.10 | horrng | :-X |
| 15:54.15 | A-L-A-R-M | ok give me a second pls |
| 15:54.45 | piper69 | in my laptop i have a touch tap mouse , i am experincing slow motion , i tried modprob mousedev but nothing can someone help me , thanks in advance |
| 15:55.00 | wols_ | xand: being german, I make excemptions for and of course. the rest is "gibberish" yes :P |
| 15:55.11 | xand | [][][] and [] ? |
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| 15:55.25 | wols_ | ae, oe and ue. plus sharp s |
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| 15:55.35 | wols_ | and now go and get a better font for your irc client :P |
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| 15:55.49 | A-L-A-R-M | nothing changed |
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| 15:55.59 | A-L-A-R-M | still the same |
| 15:56.06 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: echo $LANG |
| 15:56.10 | A-L-A-R-M | i use deja vu as default system font |
| 15:56.23 | A-L-A-R-M | alarm@rockpc:~$ echo $LANG |
| 15:56.23 | A-L-A-R-M | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 15:56.23 | \amethyst | A-L-A-R-M: do you know if these are id3v1 or id3v2 tags? |
| 15:56.33 | Eulex | A-L-A-R-M, it's possible that the tags are incorrect. |
| 15:56.41 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: bad. choose greek iso as default |
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| 15:57.00 | A-L-A-R-M | MoDaX, would this affect other applications that are on english ? |
| 15:57.02 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: are you using konqueror to preview metainfo? |
| 15:57.26 | A-L-A-R-M | i use the file properties (right click and meta info tab of the file) |
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| 15:58.19 | Slike | can someone explain to me what the exact role of glibc is? i see it's used to communicate with the kernel, but what does it do? |
| 15:58.32 | aadil | c library |
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| 15:58.56 | wols_ | Slike: it lets programs use kernel services. like open files, run other programs and the like |
| 15:58.58 | aadil | !dpkg glibc && fetch me a beer |
| 15:59.04 | aadil | damn, doesnt work |
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| 15:59.12 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: and greek locale is? |
| 15:59.20 | tarzeau | is this dfsg free? http://creativecommons.org/licenses/sampling+/1.0/ |
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| 15:59.49 | A-L-A-R-M | el_GR.UTF-8 UTF-8 , el_GR ISO-8859-7 |
| 16:00.09 | piper69 | !dpkg modprob && psmouse |
| 16:00.11 | A-L-A-R-M | just dont want to put them as default, unless it wont have any effect on other applicaionts font |
| 16:00.22 | Slike | wols_: why can't these programs communicate directly with the kernel, why is this library needed in between? to do translations between the complex requests of programs and a reduced api of the kernel? |
| 16:00.22 | wols_ | tarzeau: doubt it: "You may not use this work to advertise for or promote anything but the work you create from it." |
| 16:00.23 | Eulex | tarzeau, mustn't you be able to distribute etc for commercial purposes? |
| 16:01.09 | vn | I recently rebooted and before the last reboot, I did the dist-upgrade from sarge to etch...now when running a program, or directly svok, I get this, any idea what I can do? svok: relocation error: svok: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 16:01.09 | tarzeau | Eulex: yes you must |
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| 16:01.10 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: close all konquerors. start konsole. run LANG=el_GR.ISO-8859-7 konqueror |
| 16:01.10 | wols_ | Slike: BSD has a different kernel, but programs want the same API to use for BSD and linux |
| 16:01.10 | tarzeau | i hate CC |
| 16:01.10 | tarzeau | wols_: Creative Commons sucks so much |
| 16:01.12 | A-L-A-R-M | MoDaX, and then ? |
| 16:01.24 | Slike | wols_: ok, so it's for api abstraction? as i was supposing? |
| 16:01.30 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: preview metainfo |
| 16:01.33 | wols_ | tarzeau: shut up and use MS software. then you know how much licenses can suck |
| 16:01.50 | tarzeau | wols_: but i can't use all these sounds http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/ |
| 16:01.54 | wols_ | Slike: this is not #homework. this is #debian |
| 16:02.00 | tarzeau | wols_: so many of them and they call it free sound, but it's not free |
| 16:02.15 | A-L-A-R-M | now the metainfo tab doesnt appear at all |
| 16:02.16 | wols_ | tarzeau: gpl isn't free either! </BSD> |
| 16:02.38 | tarzeau | wols_: it's dfsg free, we can throw it into our supercow |
| 16:02.40 | Slike | wols_: i just try to learn, and i know you debian people have a great knowledge. thanks for that! |
| 16:02.50 | A-L-A-R-M | hmm ok, found it, now the tags still look the same |
| 16:02.56 | jduggan_ | can anyone recommend some visio like program for linux? |
| 16:03.08 | jelly-home | tarzeau: but, _which_ CC sucks? :-) |
| 16:03.09 | Azar | Slike: most of non-debian questions fit into google's search bar |
| 16:03.28 | tarzeau | jelly-home: the one i mentioned and the nonderivate, noncommercial ones |
| 16:03.30 | wols_ | jelly-home: all of the ones he doesn't like |
| 16:03.32 | tarzeau | jelly-home: but they really suck all! |
| 16:03.34 | A-L-A-R-M | MoDaX, could it be that the tags are writen with cp encoding ? |
| 16:03.45 | MoDaX | A-L-A-R-M: probably |
| 16:03.46 | tarzeau | jelly-home: because they cause confusion and force you to read it |
| 16:03.51 | jelly-home | tarzeau: duh |
| 16:03.54 | tarzeau | jelly-home: because people just say CC |
| 16:03.56 | Azar | mister Eulex! :) |
| 16:03.58 | tarzeau | jelly-home: without the details |
| 16:04.04 | A-L-A-R-M | i see |
| 16:04.26 | Eulex | hello Azar :) |
| 16:04.32 | jelly-home | tarzeau: 1st FAQ I've ever seen on CC was to specify which CC license of the million |
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| 16:05.23 | tarzeau | where can i find really free software music and sample packs? |
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| 16:05.38 | jelly-home | pay for your sample packs, ya git |
| 16:05.39 | wols_ | tarzeau: debian.org? *g* |
| 16:05.52 | tarzeau | wols_: actually not even there, they DO have non-free media in main |
| 16:05.56 | tarzeau | wols_: by accident |
| 16:06.24 | tarzeau | jelly-home: who sells them under free software licenses? |
| 16:06.38 | gravity | git ftw |
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| 16:07.28 | tarzeau | jelly-home: FREEPATS! |
| 16:07.34 | jelly-home | tarzeau: freepats suck. |
| 16:07.41 | tarzeau | jelly-home: but they are free |
| 16:08.05 | plb | does any one know if there is a songbird .deb? |
| 16:08.14 | jelly-home | they're also of very uneven quality, which makes the collection sounds like crap |
| 16:09.37 | tarzeau | plb: yes on my computer |
| 16:09.37 | apo | Hm. What could be the reasons for getting segfaults when trying to insmod a module? |
| 16:09.37 | tarzeau | plb: where's the software, url? |
| 16:09.38 | tarzeau | apo: use modprobe. it should tell |
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| 16:09.38 | apo | FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-custom/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such |
| 16:09.38 | apo | device |
| 16:09.38 | plb | http://www.songbirdnest.com/ |
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| 16:09.42 | jelly-home | apo: the module didn't find a working device to attach to. There might be more info in dmesg/kern.log |
| 16:09.49 | wols_ | !insmod |
| 16:09.49 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 16:10.05 | jelly-home | apo: which cpu do you have? |
| 16:10.58 | plb | !songbird |
| 16:11.11 | apo | jelly-home: I think it's Pentium M |
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| 16:11.17 | abhi | MoDaX: thanks man , it worked. |
| 16:11.20 | wols_ | apo: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 16:11.20 | apo | At least that's what I chose in the kernel :) |
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| 16:11.33 | Sweetandy | grrr |
| 16:11.33 | apo | Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1.50GHz |
| 16:11.53 | wols_ | celerys have no speedstep |
| 16:12.00 | spikeb | they dont? |
| 16:12.06 | apo | This one doesn't. |
| 16:12.07 | jelly-home | apo: heh, that one is crippled power-wise |
| 16:12.10 | spikeb | damn |
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| 16:12.19 | apo | But frequency scaling is possible. |
| 16:12.23 | jelly-home | wols_: they do. They don't hae Advanced Speedstep. |
| 16:12.51 | wols_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celeron_M#Mobile_Celeron_and_Celeron_M |
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| 16:13.17 | apo | I had it working before, but I changed something in the kernel and broke it. Meh |
| 16:13.33 | apo | I should've told it to include the .config in the kernel, then I'd know what it was :) |
| 16:13.35 | jelly-home | apo: best thing I can do on a thinkpad with that same cpu is modprobe p4-clockmod |
| 16:13.46 | jelly-home | wols_: I trust Intel over wikipedia. |
| 16:13.54 | wols_ | apo: /boot/config* |
| 16:14.09 | apo | jelly-home: Thanks, I'll try that |
| 16:14.24 | Azar | someone said somewhere that wikipedia is not 100% to be trusted |
| 16:14.32 | apo | Ahhh! |
| 16:14.32 | jelly-home | orly |
| 16:14.34 | apo | It's working |
| 16:14.40 | apo | Awesome. Thanks :) |
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| 16:15.29 | jelly-home | apo: don't expect huge (or even any visible) improvements in battery life ;-) |
| 16:16.00 | apo | Heh |
| 16:16.01 | apo | Okay ;) |
| 16:16.07 | mikearthur | rubbish! |
| 16:16.11 | mikearthur | I got visible improvements |
| 16:16.19 | spikeb | ooh, what color were they? |
| 16:16.21 | apo | I hardly use this notebook when I'm not at home anyway |
| 16:16.21 | jelly-home | mikearthur: with that Celeron M? |
| 16:16.23 | mikearthur | blue |
| 16:16.29 | spikeb | mikearthur: sweet. |
| 16:16.33 | apo | Just fiddling around with my hardware's features :) |
| 16:16.34 | mikearthur | not a celeron M, but using speedstep |
| 16:16.57 | jelly-home | mikearthur: not the same thing. |
| 16:17.06 | mikearthur | ok :p |
| 16:17.06 | tarzeau | is there some cool and free software 3d nascar racing game? |
| 16:17.43 | tarzeau | torcs |
| 16:17.45 | spikeb | actually, there is a cool 3d racing game. |
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| 16:19.14 | tarzeau | but is it really fast, as in wipeout? |
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| 16:20.13 | spikeb | no it's probably more of a sim |
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| 16:21.13 | tarzeau | spikeb: you know of other great speedy 3d games? |
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| 16:21.32 | spikeb | hmm not really, havent looked much at racing games |
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| 16:25.49 | Azar | tarzeau: you know why linux did not win at Nascar? |
| 16:26.02 | tarzeau | they just finished showing days of thunder... now jackass 1 |
| 16:26.08 | tarzeau | Azar: no? |
| 16:26.22 | Azar | because they could not find a non-free driver |
| 16:26.37 | tarzeau | Azar: heh |
| 16:26.41 | Azar | :) |
| 16:29.28 | witless | is it possible to configure bind to provide aliases to hosts outside the local network? |
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| 16:30.08 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 16:30.08 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:30.30 | rahul | !penixstrike Azar |
| 16:30.30 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Azar to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:30.38 | rahul | that joke hurts |
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| 16:34.06 | HostilePenguin | wheres the best place to assign static ip's? |
| 16:35.03 | \amethyst | HostilePenguin: in the DHCP server's config :) |
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| 16:35.14 | tarzeau | no in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:35.15 | abhi | sdf |
| 16:35.29 | \amethyst | HostilePenguin: but, yes, in interfaces (man interfaces) |
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| 16:36.18 | HostilePenguin | thank you |
| 16:36.26 | abhi | MoDaX, : theme are working now , but fonts are going back to default.help pls |
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| 16:39.33 | abhi | MoDaX, : pls help. man |
| 16:39.46 | bluemonk | I just tried to downgrade libc6; it gave an error and now the root account is no more working |
| 16:39.50 | bluemonk | anyone can help? |
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| 16:40.37 | mikearthur | war: got it all working, thanks man |
| 16:40.57 | yaka | hi,all |
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| 16:41.57 | Azar | bluemonk: so without root you can't really do any administration tasks, right? |
| 16:42.18 | Azar | you can't upgrade, downgrade, install and un-install.. |
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| 16:42.53 | Daemonik | Azar, NO |
| 16:43.01 | Daemonik | Azar, man sudo |
| 16:43.10 | Azar | Daemonik: I do not need that.. |
| 16:43.13 | bluemonk | Azar: exactly |
| 16:43.29 | rahul | bluemonk: you broke your system, more or less |
| 16:43.40 | Azar | bluemonk: so as a newbie (you and me too).. a rescue disk or a reinstall.. |
| 16:44.08 | bluemonk | ok, I was hoping for any other solution :) |
| 16:44.20 | yaka | how to upgrade to gnome 2.18 in debian? |
| 16:44.27 | Azar | mister rahul! :) greetings |
| 16:44.36 | bluemonk | does the debian dvd act as rescue disk? |
| 16:44.37 | rahul | yaka: choose a debian release, not a version of a package |
| 16:45.01 | rahul | yaka: at least, until you figure out how debian releases work... then you'll be able to mix and match and only occasionally break your system |
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| 16:45.05 | rahul | Azar: :) |
| 16:45.10 | rahul | bluemonk: I think it can |
| 16:45.10 | Azar | bluemonk: usually the 1st CD or DVD would have a recovery system |
| 16:45.19 | wolvie | Howto boot into runlevel 3 from grub? What option should be added to the kernel= line? |
| 16:45.35 | rahul | wolvie: add a "3" to the kernel params |
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| 16:45.44 | rahul | not the kernel itself, the params passed to it |
| 16:45.54 | CoolKid | hi all |
| 16:46.04 | bluemonk | let's try... thanks for your help |
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| 16:46.19 | rahul | kernel /vmlinuz root=... ... 3 |
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| 16:46.36 | Azar | bluemonk: defying the gravitational rules, in Debian everything goes ^ up and nothing comes back v down |
| 16:46.44 | wolvie | thank you. |
| 16:46.59 | quitte | hi. I'm having some trouble setting up a nic with busybox in an initramfs.right now i'd be glad if it just aswered to pings butfor some reason it dfoesn'T even do that. the system is headless so debugging is a little difficult |
| 16:47.00 | bluemonk | yes, but the last upgrade on lenny broke a lot of stuff |
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| 16:47.24 | bluemonk | I was trying to downgrade |
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| 16:47.39 | yaka | rahul: thk u |
| 16:47.40 | quitte | so any idea why this might not work: ip address add eth0 192.168.178.1/24;ip link set eth0 up |
| 16:47.45 | Azar | bluemonk: your choice: want a stable, unbreakable system, or want the testing with newer packages that break ? |
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| 16:47.59 | rahul | quitte: what doesn't work? |
| 16:48.05 | bluemonk | I know, I'm not blaming debian for that |
| 16:48.28 | quitte | rahul: i'm no sure. but the interface that was should have been set up like this doesntanswer on my pings |
| 16:48.35 | Azar | rahul: did you see the newest programming language that uses the lolcode? |
| 16:48.45 | rahul | Azar: oy. |
| 16:49.00 | rahul | quitte: maybe there's a subnet overlap with another iface? |
| 16:49.17 | Azar | rahul: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/06/07/1654251 |
| 16:49.24 | rahul | I don't even want to know. |
| 16:49.34 | quitte | rahul: no. there is no other interface. |
| 16:49.34 | rahul | kthxbye :) |
| 16:49.38 | Azar | hehe |
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| 16:49.47 | quitte | rahul: but the command is ok as it is? |
| 16:49.57 | rahul | quitte: seems ok to me |
| 16:50.05 | rahul | quitte: but why not use /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:50.10 | \amethyst | rahul: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2007-May/026142.html |
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| 16:50.36 | appelza | Hi, I've installed realplayer on debain 4.0, but I get no sound. no errors either. Sound works fine in other apps, like amarok |
| 16:50.39 | appelza | any ideas? |
| 16:50.45 | Azar | !debain |
| 16:50.46 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 16:50.56 | rahul | \amethyst: heh. |
| 16:50.56 | tarzeau | appelza: ask www.real.com |
| 16:51.00 | quitte | rahul: doesn'T work either with that busybox for some reason. and before i dont have netcat working i have no way of telling whats going on on that box |
| 16:51.26 | appelza | tarzeau: its not realplayers problem. realplayer works on gentoo fine. |
| 16:51.34 | CoolKid | i installed debian etch from using a netinst cd without an active internet connection(didn't connect to ethernet net).is there a way to install the packages that should have been installed from the net after installation? |
| 16:51.35 | tarzeau | appelza: then use gentoo |
| 16:51.38 | appelza | Its debians problem. or well, its my problem actually |
| 16:52.09 | tarzeau | appelza: it's a real problem |
| 16:52.09 | tarzeau | appelza: bullshit |
| 16:52.09 | Azar | appelza: realplayer is a commercial application, non-free, not included with Debian, .. a 3rd party application from somewhere on the universe |
| 16:52.10 | tarzeau | appelza: your problem, real problem. NOT DEBIAN problem |
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| 16:52.10 | rahul | appelza: figure out what the app uses for sound and check how that's set up |
| 16:52.10 | appelza | lol k |
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| 16:52.17 | rahul | we can't magically guess |
| 16:52.29 | quitte | appelza you can get it from the debian multimedia distribution |
| 16:52.33 | Acu | is anyway to browse the local net for the IP addresses of the connected computers ? |
| 16:52.45 | rahul | Acu: not reliably |
| 16:52.48 | Azar | anyway or anyhow? |
| 16:52.52 | rahul | Acu: ask your network admin |
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| 16:53.35 | Shaftino | During net based install, do I get to choose exactly what packages I want to install? |
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| 16:53.44 | quitte | Acu: if all computers support it you can use avahi to look for other computers |
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| 16:54.01 | Acu | rahul: I am the network admin - obviously with windows is easy - but with Debian I do not know (except if I use SMB4k) |
| 16:54.15 | Acu | quitte: I will try to find avahi |
| 16:54.32 | rahul | Acu: that's ridiculous |
| 16:54.53 | rahul | SMB has nothing to do with finding computers on an ethernet network |
| 16:54.54 | Acu | rahul: what's ridiculous ? |
| 16:55.03 | rahul | Acu: you are a horribly incompetent network admin |
| 16:55.07 | Acu | rahul: SMB4K has |
| 16:55.12 | rahul | Acu: wrong |
| 16:55.26 | quitte | Acu: if you have the time, there is a google techtalk video about bonjour. I found it to be very enlightening about how device discovery on a network should work |
| 16:55.40 | CoolKid | i want to get the *full* standard system packages,not just the 8 on the netinst cd.FYI Debian did connect to the ethernet after installation |
| 16:55.52 | rahul | SMB has tto do with finding computers with an SMB daemon running |
| 16:55.56 | Acu | quitte: thanks I am going to watch it |
| 16:56.25 | rahul | CoolKid: set up your sources.list with a mirror and run aptitude to get package lists and upgrade/install packages |
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| 16:56.54 | JunoDewar | I'm learning regexp and got confused again, can someone help me create extended regexp for this pattern: two |
| 16:57.01 | rahul | Acu: a windows machine will never find my linux box in the way you are describing |
| 16:57.09 | rahul | JunoDewar: two |
| 16:57.16 | tanner123 | Hi ;) Anyone know how to put a app in "background" when the app doesn't allow u to press Ctrl+Z?? |
| 16:57.20 | JunoDewar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.26 | Acu | rahul: if you are so exedently competent in network you could tell me what to do - the question - how can you find the IP addresses of all local computers |
| 16:57.26 | CoolKid | rahul, it just installed to kernel when i did that |
| 16:57.29 | techbee | !anyone |
| 16:57.29 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 16:57.37 | rahul | Acu: you can't |
| 16:57.44 | rahul | Acu: not reliably. I already said this. |
| 16:57.46 | valdyn | Acu: windows uses VERY confusing terminology, confusing 'Network' with 'SMB servers', its retarded, don't learn from that |
| 16:57.54 | rahul | CoolKid: install what you want... |
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| 16:58.09 | rahul | Acu: this is not how IP works. nor how ethernet works. |
| 16:58.20 | rahul | I think a managed switch might be able to tell you its guesses |
| 16:58.30 | CoolKid | rahul,which pkgs comes with the "standard system" option? |
| 16:58.41 | rahul | CoolKid: open up the listing and see |
| 16:58.49 | JunoDewar | so pattern should be : two or more uppercase letters then everything except two or more uppercase letters |
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| 16:59.06 | CoolKid | rahul,how? |
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| 16:59.12 | rahul | JunoDewar: regex is too weak of a language to do that, I think |
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| 16:59.39 | rahul | JunoDewar: although, that pattern is nonsense. |
| 16:59.39 | JunoDewar | even extended? |
| 16:59.50 | valdyn | Acu: there's no technically good way to find 'all local ip addresses', there can't be. There's many hacks around the problem, sure. |
| 16:59.55 | rahul | JunoDewar: extended has nothing to do with the regex computational power |
| 16:59.57 | JunoDewar | why? |
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| 17:00.08 | rahul | JunoDewar: it just makes certain patterns have a simpler syntax |
| 17:00.08 | techbee | Coolkid:packages.debian.org |
| 17:00.15 | JunoDewar | 'computational power'? |
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| 17:00.43 | rahul | JunoDewar: regex should only be used by people who have graduated from a good school with a B.S. in C.S.. |
| 17:00.52 | quitte | is there a way to find all local mac addresses? |
| 17:00.54 | rahul | you need to know about computational complexity classes |
| 17:01.03 | rahul | quitte: such a concept does not exist. |
| 17:01.07 | valdyn | quitte: not really |
| 17:01.07 | JunoDewar | please |
| 17:01.10 | bluemonk | I've booted in rescue mode |
| 17:01.10 | HostilePenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.11 | quitte | thought so |
| 17:01.13 | rahul | JunoDewar: I'm serious |
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| 17:01.28 | valdyn | quitte: your switch knows all mac addresses that caused traffics recently, that's all |
| 17:01.31 | JunoDewar | rahul: sarcastic you mean? |
| 17:01.37 | rahul | JunoDewar: regex is a strangely limited language... its computational power is analagous to a finite state machine |
| 17:01.49 | rahul | a finite state machine cannot keep an arbitrary count of events |
| 17:01.56 | JunoDewar | I'm not talking about computational power dude |
| 17:02.01 | rahul | (hence the word "finite") |
| 17:02.05 | rahul | JunoDewar: yes you are |
| 17:02.11 | Azar | bluemonk: I do not know how you can recover that libc6, ask someone with experience here |
| 17:02.12 | rahul | you want a "not" in a regex |
| 17:02.14 | quitte | for some reason ip still dosn't work even with the full path. grrr. |
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| 17:03.12 | rahul | JunoDewar: you need to keep a counter to see if you have less than some number of things happening, but you already wanted them to happen... which makes no sense |
| 17:03.23 | rahul | if it already happened, why are you asking for it to not happen? |
| 17:03.32 | rahul | in what context is this not? |
| 17:03.36 | bluemonk | Azar: I think I'll try to reinstall the correct version.. thanks for your help |
| 17:03.45 | JunoDewar | to delimit |
| 17:04.00 | rahul | JunoDewar: if you can write an FSM for the recognizer, you can use that to build a regex |
| 17:04.04 | rahul | that's the easiest way |
| 17:04.49 | rahul | swap build and write there, actually |
| 17:04.50 | JunoDewar | for example I want to delimit stream of dictionary words with something |
| 17:04.50 | CoolKid | there isn't a package list titled "standard system" in http://packages.debian.org |
| 17:04.50 | rahul | then look forthe delimiter |
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| 17:04.51 | rahul | CoolKid: just browse around aptitude, ffs |
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| 17:04.53 | JunoDewar | delimiter is two consecutive uppercase letteers |
| 17:05.02 | JunoDewar | *letters |
| 17:05.14 | JunoDewar | or more |
| 17:05.44 | simonrvn | bluemonk: boot from rescue media; mount your installation somewhere from the rescue media; MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT chroot TO IT; "dpkg -x libc6.deb /" (or "cd /whereYouMountedYourInstall; ar -p libc6.deb data.tar.gz | tar -zx") a known working libc... also see (URL coming up) |
| 17:05.44 | Sweetandy | is there a way to have xterm be a border-less, titlebar-less, semi-transparent hovering terminal? |
| 17:05.44 | rahul | JunoDewar: what should happen when it gets recognized? |
| 17:05.44 | rahul | JunoDewar: regex doesn't really have "delimiters" |
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| 17:05.56 | simonrvn | bluemonk: this is if you already rebootedand are scrwed... if you haven't rebooted, then try to install the working libc |
| 17:05.59 | JunoDewar | replace it with same string with changes through sed |
| 17:06.01 | rahul | JunoDewar: it's some other thing that inserts itself into the FSM generated by the regex that causes behaviors to occur |
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| 17:06.11 | rahul | JunoDewar: which one? |
| 17:06.22 | JunoDewar | which one what? |
| 17:06.24 | rahul | JunoDewar: what kind of changes? |
| 17:06.32 | JunoDewar | does it matter? |
| 17:06.34 | bluemonk | simonrvn: thank you. I've already rebooted, since I couldn't reinstall the lib without using root |
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| 17:06.40 | rahul | you need to group to select the part of the string you want to change |
| 17:06.44 | JunoDewar | I use sed |
| 17:06.49 | rahul | and the part you want to keep the same |
| 17:06.50 | tarzeau | anyone tried rocket skates like in the jackass movie? |
| 17:07.00 | rahul | and then you need to decide how that interacts with lines |
| 17:07.20 | rahul | one replacement per line or replace all matches? |
| 17:07.26 | JunoDewar | something like sed 's/pattern/&[I insert here something]/' |
| 17:07.34 | rahul | haha |
| 17:07.37 | rahul | right |
| 17:07.42 | CoolKid | is there a list of packages installed by the netinst when installing "standard system" |
| 17:07.54 | JunoDewar | so what's the problem? |
| 17:08.02 | rahul | JunoDewar: where do you want to delimit the groups? |
| 17:08.07 | rahul | CoolKid: no |
| 17:08.12 | dmilith | where can i find brief info about differences between glibc 2.3 and 2.5 ? |
| 17:08.13 | rahul | CoolKid: just run aptitude!!! |
| 17:09.10 | quitte | dmilith: the changelog. thats hardly brief,though. |
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| 17:09.42 | JunoDewar | rahul: I just want to find a pattern which starts with two or more uppercase letters and ends before other two or more uppercase letters |
| 17:09.42 | dmilith | quitte: ;f but something with hmmm milestones or similar things? |
| 17:09.47 | CoolKid | rahul, aptitude didn't get those packages when i ran aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 17:09.59 | Azar | CoolKid: what is a standard : http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/83025/index.html |
| 17:10.09 | JunoDewar | rahul: Am I not getting something? |
| 17:10.12 | rahul | [::uppercase::]{2,}[^::uppercase::]*[::uppercase::]?[^::uppercase::]* ... I think |
| 17:10.20 | rahul | or whatever the char class name is |
| 17:10.36 | Azar | the Installer is said to get more goodies versus upgrade |
| 17:10.47 | simonrvn | bluemonk: http://simonraven.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/KbTopic20 |
| 17:11.12 | rahul | JunoDewar: basically, the only way to write regexes is a kinda guess and check, since you don't really have full control of how you match |
| 17:11.12 | simonrvn | don't bookmark that, i'm redesigning my site |
| 17:11.20 | rahul | you can only go forward, kinda |
| 17:11.36 | rahul | at least, if you want to be able to go back, you need to add lots of crap in the expression to allow that |
| 17:11.41 | karmatronic | JunoDewar: [A-Z] will work too |
| 17:11.49 | rahul | karmatronic: not in general |
| 17:11.50 | Azar | simonrvn: he rebooted in rescue mode |
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| 17:11.55 | bluemonk | simonrvn: thank you |
| 17:11.56 | JunoDewar | I need to match newlines too |
| 17:12.02 | rahul | karmatronic: , for example |
| 17:12.12 | rahul | JunoDewar: that makes no sense... |
| 17:12.16 | JunoDewar | why? |
| 17:12.23 | rahul | newlines are the end of the line... |
| 17:12.29 | JunoDewar | I use sed not egrep |
| 17:12.31 | rahul | the replacement is done on the line itself |
| 17:12.51 | dureyes | can someone please send the list of radion stations on debian 4 to me from the Rhythm Box program? |
| 17:13.11 | JunoDewar | so sed does thing only with lines and not strings? |
| 17:13.15 | rahul | that stoned bastard |
| 17:13.18 | rahul | JunoDewar: unix does. |
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| 17:13.39 | rahul | I still haven't figured out when stoned works and when he doesn't |
| 17:13.42 | Azar | dureyes: Debian does not have a list of net radio station , your application should carry it |
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| 17:14.27 | simonrvn | ugh... bitchx... |
| 17:14.42 | prahal | When I use gdb on a threaded application I only have the symbols in the main thread ... is this how it is supposed to work ? |
| 17:14.45 | dureyes | using 3.0 and I heard there is nice list that comes with debian 4.0 |
| 17:15.00 | rahul | simonrvn: well, he was as dumb as a bitchx user would be expected to be |
| 17:15.21 | rahul | prahal: symbols don't exist in threads. |
| 17:15.36 | simonrvn | heh |
| 17:15.39 | rahul | prahal: so no, that's not how it's supposed to work because that's not how it could possibly work |
| 17:16.14 | prahal | rahul, thank you. Well I am stuck then. I will have to say I hate threads then |
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| 17:16.22 | bluemonk | simonrvn: worked, thanks a million |
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| 17:17.00 | bluemonk | now I have to fix apt database |
| 17:17.02 | ross | leave |
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| 17:18.20 | CoolKid | Azar, that article doesn't have the list |
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| 17:18.48 | rahul | CoolKid: you are a tool. |
| 17:18.51 | rahul | CoolKid: do you use bitchx? |
| 17:19.02 | simonrvn | bluemonk: np. you'll have to install that deb the proper way once you're booted |
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| 17:19.32 | bluemonk | actually, I just did dpkg -i libc6.deb |
| 17:19.36 | bluemonk | and it worked |
| 17:19.42 | bluemonk | now anything it's fixed |
| 17:19.53 | simonrvn | good |
| 17:20.00 | bluemonk | thanks again |
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| 17:20.08 | simonrvn | 'k :) |
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| 17:20.12 | SoulChild | I love Debian ! :D |
| 17:20.19 | CoolKid | rahul, no |
| 17:20.23 | SoulChild | tarzeau: I knew you are here ,... hehe :D |
| 17:20.26 | rahul | Julia loves me |
| 17:20.27 | rahul | heh |
| 17:20.30 | Sweetandy | SoulChild, yay |
| 17:20.53 | Julia41 | :p |
| 17:20.57 | rahul | oy |
| 17:21.01 | SoulChild | Sweetandy: at first sight i thought your name is sweetlady ... as if this is a flirt channel :D hehe |
| 17:21.05 | tarzeau | !love SoulChild |
| 17:21.16 | tarzeau | !breastfeed SoulChild |
| 17:21.21 | bluemonk | Azar: thanks again to you too |
| 17:21.25 | rahul | Julia41: fortunately I know you're not her, because there's no way she could figure out how to use IRC :P |
| 17:21.25 | Sweetandy | SoulChild, I'm male! |
| 17:21.35 | SoulChild | Sweetandy: i know :D |
| 17:21.42 | SoulChild | tarzeau: hehe |
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| 17:22.11 | rahul | but I'm not sure whether she like me or alex more |
| 17:22.34 | rahul | especially when alex and I are pretending to be a gay couple... that just makes her friend all hot and bothered :P |
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| 17:22.44 | Ali_ix | hi all |
| 17:22.49 | SoulChild | Ali_ix: hey |
| 17:22.49 | rahul | hrm, I need to get some food. |
| 17:22.50 | Sweetandy | SoulChild, tee hee 8 ) |
| 17:23.07 | Ali_ix | any channel related to APT? or i should ask here? |
| 17:23.20 | rahul | Ali_ix: if it relates to apt in debian, sure |
| 17:23.29 | SoulChild | Guys,.... i think i am addicted to IRC,... any solutions ? |
| 17:23.33 | rahul | it's a fundamental tool to using debian |
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| 17:23.49 | tarzeau | SoulChild: play games |
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| 17:24.15 | Ali_ix | rahul: it is more about apt, but on ubuntu :(, butthere is no one in ubuntu channel to answer |
| 17:24.16 | Sweetandy | SoulChild, recompile all IRC clients on your system with a few rather key lines removed from the source |
| 17:24.21 | rahul | Ali_ix: oh well. |
| 17:24.27 | Ali_ix | i need to exclude soma packages via apt-pinning |
| 17:24.28 | rahul | Ali_ix: ubuntu works differently from debian. |
| 17:24.29 | SoulChild | tarzeau: as you know, that my gcard sucks, this is no oppertunity |
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| 17:24.38 | Taproots | Hi all |
| 17:24.39 | Ali_ix | rahul: =( thanks |
| 17:24.46 | rahul | Ali_ix: man apt_preferences is how we do it on debian |
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| 17:24.47 | tarzeau | SoulChild: there's many 2d games that don't need fast video cards |
| 17:24.49 | Taproots | real simple question |
| 17:24.58 | Sweetandy | SoulChild, Yeah, Nethack!!! |
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| 17:25.13 | Taproots | how do I assign different images as backgrounds for my different workspaces? |
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| 17:25.34 | tarzeau | Taproots: depends on your window manager |
| 17:25.35 | rellis | taproots: are you in kde? |
| 17:25.37 | tarzeau | Taproots: wmaker can do it |
| 17:25.39 | SoulChild | tarzeau: okay i want a good RPG game ,... |
| 17:25.40 | Taproots | gnome |
| 17:25.54 | tarzeau | SoulChild: kq |
| 17:25.54 | rellis | oh |
| 17:25.54 | tarzeau | SoulChild: apt-get install kq |
| 17:25.55 | SoulChild | tarzeau: ok |
| 17:26.03 | Taproots | is there any way to do it with gnome? |
| 17:26.13 | rellis | I don't know.. I would assume so.. |
| 17:26.19 | Taproots | alright |
| 17:26.21 | rellis | KDE/Beryl seem to have a facility for it |
| 17:26.24 | Taproots | I'll give it a google |
| 17:26.29 | rellis | ya.. good call |
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| 17:28.02 | Ali_ix | rahul: thanks for info |
| 17:28.37 | rahul | mentor: make lots of margeritas |
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| 17:28.54 | mentor | mmm pizza |
| 17:29.17 | tarzeau | !it |
| 17:29.17 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C' anche il canale #linux-it l. |
| 17:29.50 | rahul | !tarzeau |
| 17:29.50 | dpkg | from memory, tarzeau is http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 17:29.52 | Rprp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:31.22 | SoulChild | !ku |
| 17:31.33 | SoulChild | !de |
| 17:31.33 | dpkg | well, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 17:31.50 | SoulChild | woow great |
| 17:31.53 | pipeline | How can I paste from the X clipboard using the keyboard? |
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| 17:31.59 | tarzeau | pipeline: shift-insert |
| 17:32.07 | pipeline | tarzeau: Well, that was a lot simpler than I expected. |
| 17:32.23 | SoulChild | tarzeau: how do i totally uninstall a package in apt ,... add --purge after remove %apckagename ? |
| 17:32.26 | tarzeau | i like the gnustep or screen clipboards nicer |
| 17:32.32 | tarzeau | SoulChild: yes |
| 17:32.52 | tarzeau | SoulChild: but even then users can have leftovers. or game scores |
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| 17:33.48 | furrywolf | bah. /me is listening to the noise of a hard drive repeatedly slamming the head into something trying to find track zero. |
| 17:34.07 | SoulChild | tarzeau: so how do i fully uninstall something |
| 17:34.15 | furrywolf | not going to get debian onto this drive. heh. |
| 17:34.47 | rahul | aptitude remove --purge package |
| 17:34.51 | xingu | 746 of you, one of me, I make that time for beer |
| 17:35.02 | rahul | user dirs are never touched by apt |
| 17:35.05 | stew | rahul: s/remove --// |
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| 17:35.11 | rahul | oh |
| 17:35.34 | rahul | reason #22 to use aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 17:35.51 | Ali_ix | well, apt-pinning rules are same as debina (in ubuntu) =) |
| 17:36.05 | rahul | oooo heavy metal fest warmup tonight! |
| 17:36.15 | Lamperi | k |
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| 17:36.26 | apo | Argh" |
| 17:36.30 | rahul | Ali_ix: the rules are probably the same. obviously, the names of the releases will be different |
| 17:36.33 | apo | You shouldn't have mentioned |
| 17:36.33 | Ali_ix | now please advice on pin and priority value to avoid any new versions of a package being installed :) |
| 17:36.38 | apo | +kq |
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| 17:36.40 | Ali_ix | rahul: yes |
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| 17:36.45 | rahul | Ali_ix: "any" new versions? |
| 17:36.46 | apo | I'm supposed to be learning history :( |
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| 17:36.47 | tarzeau | rahul: apt-get won't touch user dirs either |
| 17:37.00 | rahul | Ali_ix: or do you want to pin to a specific release? |
| 17:37.05 | rahul | tarzeau: well duh |
| 17:37.13 | rahul | tarzeau: dpkg won't either. |
| 17:37.15 | tarzeau | oh and debconf configs won't be removed either |
| 17:37.21 | Ali_ix | rahul: yes, i have some stable confgi on 2.6.20.13 kernel and dont like to update kernel until next major release |
| 17:37.21 | tarzeau | rahul: yes that's what i said earlier |
| 17:37.22 | Ali_ix | :( |
| 17:37.24 | rahul | hrm, purge won't? |
| 17:37.27 | tarzeau | rahul: neither will apt-get, and that's good |
| 17:37.33 | tarzeau | rahul: no, purge just removes system configs |
| 17:37.37 | Ali_ix | rahul: to specific version, is it possible? |
| 17:37.39 | rahul | Ali_ix: on debian, kernels don't get upgraded like that |
| 17:37.44 | tarzeau | rahul: as in classical /etc ones, maybe the grub one outside etc too |
| 17:37.47 | rahul | tarzeau: hrm, that's annoying |
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| 17:38.04 | Ali_ix | rahul: is it possible to pinpackages to versions? |
| 17:38.09 | rahul | Ali_ix: yes. |
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| 17:38.15 | hiae | oi |
| 17:38.17 | tarzeau | rahul: why? |
| 17:38.19 | rahul | there should be an example in the man page |
| 17:38.33 | rahul | tarzeau: because it should purge all system-level traces of that package |
| 17:38.34 | Ali_ix | rahul: i will check, thanks |
| 17:38.43 | hiae | oi |
| 17:38.56 | rahul | tarzeau: one use of purge is to eliminate any local configs you made to the package so you can start from fresh |
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| 17:39.16 | tarzeau | rahul: so? yes it does remove the local configs . so? |
| 17:39.25 | tarzeau | rahul: it's just it doesn't touch debconf stuff |
| 17:39.26 | rahul | tarzeau: not all the configs |
| 17:39.30 | rahul | debconf is a local config |
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| 17:39.34 | tarzeau | rahul: how would it know where user configs are? |
| 17:39.41 | rahul | I said system |
| 17:39.42 | tarzeau | rahul: and why would you want to lose system game high scores? |
| 17:39.52 | tarzeau | debconf is for the system |
| 17:39.54 | rahul | because you said you wanted to purge the package |
| 17:39.57 | rahul | exactly. |
| 17:39.58 | tarzeau | like /etc is |
| 17:40.01 | rahul | !penixstrike tarzeau |
| 17:40.01 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking tarzeau to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:40.06 | tarzeau | i don't want to purge any package |
| 17:40.08 | rahul | except debconf is not purged like /etc is |
| 17:40.09 | tarzeau | that was that other guy |
| 17:40.11 | rahul | then don't purge |
| 17:40.14 | tarzeau | who didn't read the damn fucking manual |
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| 17:41.32 | hiae | oi |
| 17:41.43 | ferret_0567 | I'm using Linux from Scratch, and I have a question about Debian's packages website |
| 17:42.32 | ferret_0567 | I'm trying to get dhcdbd installed so that I can use NetworkManager, and it's not available from it's official webpage anymore |
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| 17:43.15 | ferret_0567 | So, are the *.orig.* packages the original source packages for a particular piece of software? |
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| 17:43.27 | tarzeau | ferret_0567: sure, packages.debian.org/PKG |
| 17:43.45 | earthian | hello, I have problem configuring vmware server. while running vmware-config.pl i have this output: http://pastebin.ca/553316 There you can see a module compilation error. Where is the fault? How can i fix it? Please help? :) |
| 17:43.46 | tarzeau | ferret_0567: with hypertext transfer protocol |
| 17:43.53 | tarzeau | earthian: we don't care. ask vmware |
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| 17:44.25 | earthian | tarzeau, i did not upgrade vmware and did not upgrade my debian it all just broke. |
| 17:44.26 | tarzeau | earthian: use virtualbox |
| 17:44.33 | tarzeau | earthian: yeah sure. i broke it |
| 17:44.38 | earthian | :/ |
| 17:44.45 | earthian | you are very friendly |
| 17:44.54 | tarzeau | earthian: well vmware is not from debian |
| 17:45.11 | tarzeau | earthian: you don't buy a porsche and ask for help at ford, right? |
| 17:45.19 | earthian | anyway, maybe you know something that would make my vmware virtual disks be recognized by something? |
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| 17:45.28 | tarzeau | earthian: no. use virtualbox |
| 17:45.36 | earthian | <_< |
| 17:45.38 | tarzeau | earthian: even if i knew, it's off-topic here, and i wouldn't help |
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| 17:46.28 | earthian | anyway... the error with my vmware look like a compiler error and not vmware one :( |
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| 17:47.03 | tarzeau | earthian: PEBKAC |
| 17:47.10 | tarzeau | earthian: it's a problem of you, not the compiler, nor vmware |
| 17:47.20 | tarzeau | earthian: i told you to use virtualbox it's PEBKAC proof |
| 17:47.37 | earthian | and PEBKAC = wtf? |
| 17:47.39 | roxy_ | I am using debian testing. I would like to test emacs22. Can I just use dpkg on the .deb, and aptitude will catch up when 22 comes into testing or do I have to go via the pinning stuff ? |
| 17:47.43 | tarzeau | !PEBKAC |
| 17:47.43 | dpkg | i heard pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 17:47.56 | earthian | ok |
| 17:48.04 | tarzeau | roxy_: yes you can try, beware of the dependencies |
| 17:48.20 | roxy_ | tarzeau: thanks. |
| 17:48.24 | ferret_0567 | Thanks! |
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| 17:49.01 | unlink | when i insert a blank CD, i get the following in /var/log/messages: Jun 9 13:48:30 shatin kernel: cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! |
| 17:49.13 | tarzeau | unlink: it's a cd-rom drive? |
| 17:49.29 | unlink | combo dvd/dvd burner/cd/cd burner |
| 17:49.44 | tarzeau | unlink: and how is that message a problem? |
| 17:49.52 | cusco | hello again |
| 17:49.53 | ferret_0567 | that's normal |
| 17:50.00 | unlink | oh, ok |
| 17:50.20 | unlink | Jun 9 13:48:30 shatin kernel: cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! |
| 17:50.23 | unlink | sorry |
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| 17:50.30 | unlink | i forgot that X has two paste buffers |
| 17:50.38 | cusco | MoDaX: why should I use a etch 2.6 kernlen and not the testing, if all of my other tools are from testing? |
| 17:50.57 | ferret_0567 | I wish they would have only one |
| 17:51.02 | ferret_0567 | It's confusing |
| 17:51.03 | unlink | when i try to burn a CD, i get this message: http://rafb.net/p/N06rAC34.html |
| 17:51.12 | tarzeau | ferret_0567: no it's not confusing |
| 17:51.18 | ferret_0567 | for me, it is |
| 17:51.27 | cusco | just use the middle button click |
| 17:51.30 | unlink | it's confusing because *some* apps conflate them |
| 17:51.34 | MoDaX | cusco: afaik, stable kernel is almost the same as etch kernel now |
| 17:51.39 | MoDaX | cusco: so you can |
| 17:51.49 | MoDaX | err, s/stable/testing/ |
| 17:51.53 | cusco | MoDaX: but I run testing, shouldn't I install from testing? |
| 17:51.57 | cusco | ah |
| 17:52.01 | ferret_0567 | I can't count on one hand how many times I used the middle mouse button because I like it better and then paste something I didn't mean to into a Terminal |
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| 17:52.45 | cusco | ferret_0567: thats because you selected something |
| 17:52.52 | unlink | i'm not trying to extract audio; in fact i issued the command Burn to get that error message |
| 17:52.53 | ferret_0567 | Yes, I always do that |
| 17:53.11 | tarzeau | unlink: mebbe the command Burn is buggy? checked !BTS yet? |
| 17:53.15 | ferret_0567 | I realize my error, but I continue to mess up because I usually just select things that are interesting |
| 17:53.30 | grew | quit clicking your middle mouse button |
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| 17:53.36 | grew | unless you need to paste |
| 17:53.47 | ferret_0567 | ok |
| 17:54.01 | ferret_0567 | I'll see if I can't remember to do that |
| 17:54.08 | unlink | tarzeau: it's a CD burning package... |
| 17:54.11 | artagnon | I'm running Lenny and the latest kernel image available seems to be the rotting old 2.6.18. What should I do? I want 2.6.21 |
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| 17:54.20 | tarzeau | unlink: why not use cdrecord? |
| 17:54.23 | tarzeau | unlink: maybe it has a bug? |
| 17:54.32 | grew | omg 3 versions old! SOOO OLD |
| 17:54.36 | tarzeau | unlink: i can burn cd images perfectly here, with cdrecord |
| 17:54.37 | grew | compile your own |
| 17:54.52 | tarzeau | artagnon: !make-kpkg |
| 17:54.59 | artagnon | grew: I'm doing that now. But it seems odd |
| 17:55.09 | tarzeau | artagnon: no it's stable |
| 17:55.12 | tarzeau | artagnon: sid has later kernels |
| 17:56.09 | tarzeau | artagnon: but you're not pro enough for it |
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| 17:56.10 | grew | lawl |
| 17:56.10 | unlink | tarzeau: i'm burning an audio CD, and i don't feel like writing a TOC |
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| 17:56.45 | artagnon | compiling one is such a pain... reading the lshw to find out which drivers to include |
| 17:56.57 | ferret_0567 | my laptop had a guide |
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| 17:57.22 | tarzeau | artagnon: hahaha |
| 17:57.29 | tarzeau | artagnon: http://noob.istheshit.net |
| 17:57.33 | tarzeau | artagnon: you never compiled one, right? |
| 17:57.34 | ferret_0567 | someone already compiled a kernel for my laptop (A Dell Latitude C840) |
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| 17:58.08 | vn | ahhh, debian rocks |
| 17:58.12 | ferret_0567 | I just got the suggestions from the guide |
| 17:58.34 | artagnon | tarzeau: if you just want to poke fun at others, there's no f***ing end to it |
| 17:58.35 | vn | just did for fun migrations from slink to potato to woody to sarge to etch |
| 17:58.38 | ferret_0567 | Then, I picked stuff other than the hardware myself, reading through every help option to see what I need |
| 17:58.45 | unlink | tarzeau: (and no, there's nothing in BTS about it) |
| 17:58.47 | tarzeau | artagnon: i helped you, i said !make-kpkg |
| 17:58.52 | tarzeau | artagnon: but you don't even get it |
| 17:58.56 | artagnon | tarzeau: I suggest you be more polite and helpful |
| 17:58.57 | grew | vn: that is your idea of fun? |
| 17:59.00 | grew | get a hobby |
| 17:59.00 | tarzeau | artagnon: you're telling things that are just not true |
| 17:59.08 | artagnon | tarzeau: what do you think I'm downloading now? |
| 17:59.11 | ferret_0567 | artagnon: I agree |
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| 17:59.12 | tarzeau | artagnon: compiling a kernel the debian way is NOT, i repeat, NOT such a pain |
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| 17:59.15 | vn | grew: lol I had nothing to do |
| 17:59.21 | tarzeau | artagnon: no idea, nor do i care |
| 17:59.31 | unlink | vn: fix bugs! |
| 17:59.31 | tarzeau | artagnon: you're downloading porn? |
| 17:59.41 | grew | prolly |
| 17:59.44 | ferret_0567 | This was my first time compiling my kernel |
| 17:59.53 | ferret_0567 | I am using my compiled kernel now |
| 18:00.01 | grew | linux kernel config is a pain imo |
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| 18:00.08 | artagnon | tarzeau: I took dpkg's suggestion and am finding out the Debian way of compiling the kernel |
| 18:00.09 | ferret_0567 | What was really great was removing all support for IPv6 |
| 18:00.10 | tarzeau | grew: not really |
| 18:00.11 | grew | compared to other oss os's |
| 18:00.18 | tarzeau | grew: tried other kernel configs? |
| 18:00.20 | AndiM | hi guys! can anyone tell me what exactly provides /dev/bus/usb on a current Debian testing system? My install is 11 years old and thus it's not always fully compliant with current setups, it seems... I had a look at Ubuntu 7.04, and it seems they don't have any meta-filesystem entries in /etc/fstab any more!? |
| 18:00.24 | grew | tarzeau: on a regular basis |
| 18:00.44 | tarzeau | grew: you can't compare a kernel to application software |
| 18:00.45 | grew | tarzeau: im not |
| 18:00.45 | tarzeau | artagnon: very good! |
| 18:00.49 | tarzeau | artagnon: it's really easy |
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| 18:00.50 | artagnon | shut up |
| 18:00.55 | RaphaelZ | configuring the debians hostname |
| 18:00.57 | tarzeau | artagnon: fuck off |
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| 18:01.09 | RaphaelZ | do I need to change only the hosts and hostname files in /etc? |
| 18:01.15 | artagnon | distateful |
| 18:01.21 | grew | RaphaelZ: yes |
| 18:01.21 | artagnon | that's all I can say |
| 18:01.24 | tarzeau | you said shut up |
| 18:01.32 | grew | RaphaelZ: you can type hostname <host> too if you dont want to reboot |
| 18:01.35 | RaphaelZ | grew: are there any restarts or reload to be done? |
| 18:01.36 | cusco | RaphaelZ: yes |
| 18:01.39 | HardDisk_WP | how can i find out which ASCII char my keyboard sends if I press a special key? |
| 18:01.45 | artagnon | tarzeau: it's for you to judge if that was distasteful |
| 18:01.49 | grew | HardDisk_WP: the kernel should report it |
| 18:01.52 | grew | HardDisk_WP: check dmesg |
| 18:01.56 | tarzeau | HardDisk_WP: www.linuks.mine.nu/uberkey/ |
| 18:01.57 | RaphaelZ | should the rdns be the same as hostname? |
| 18:02.06 | ferret_0567 | tarzeau and artagnon: can you please both stop talking to each other? |
| 18:02.08 | grew | RaphaelZ: typically |
| 18:02.14 | RaphaelZ | ok |
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| 18:02.40 | AndiM | HardDisk_WP: on a console you may use Ctrl-V to print a keysym symbol, but that probably doesn't apply to special keys. |
| 18:02.40 | ferret_0567 | This is getting ridiculous |
| 18:02.48 | thor_ | Hey can i run on 256mb ram |
| 18:02.52 | grew | thor_: yes |
| 18:02.53 | artagnon | ferret_0567: I don't mind. I only came here for help. |
| 18:03.11 | grew | thor_: a full desktop solution might be a bit laggy |
| 18:03.12 | thor_ | is ther a mini iso install to it |
| 18:03.24 | grew | why do you need a mini iso install? |
| 18:03.32 | grew | size of install != ram size |
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| 18:03.37 | wols_ | a!tell thor_ about d-i |
| 18:03.43 | AndiM | HardDisk_WP: try "showkey" on a console. |
| 18:03.50 | wols_ | grew: netinst is still the best way to install debian |
| 18:03.58 | grew | wols_: yes, but not required due to ram |
| 18:04.15 | thor_ | Grew size of install and use of mb ram |
| 18:04.16 | wols_ | thor_: stay away from kde and gnome. xfce should be ok |
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| 18:04.30 | unlink | wols_: ? |
| 18:04.32 | grew | thor_: size of install is not related to use of ram in any way shape or form |
| 18:04.41 | thor_ | grew is there iso whit xfce |
| 18:04.43 | wols_ | unlink: hm? |
| 18:04.53 | grew | thor_: install the netisnt and install whatever you want |
| 18:04.55 | wols_ | thor_: no. debian is not ubuntu |
| 18:04.57 | grew | thor_: debian has xfce |
| 18:04.59 | unlink | wols_: i hit w<tab>, intended for another channe |
| 18:05.09 | thor_ | is there link |
| 18:05.17 | wols_ | !tell thor_ about d-o |
| 18:05.19 | wols_ | !tell thor_ about d-i |
| 18:05.27 | artagnon | ferret_0567: looks like tarzeau's gone anyway |
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| 18:05.54 | thor_ | thank for the links |
| 18:05.57 | HardDisk_WP | tarzeau, hmm...compiling it works, but it segfaults |
| 18:06.02 | unlink | artagnon: i think the schoolbus got to his house |
| 18:06.04 | vn | \o/ |
| 18:06.05 | AndiM | thor_: there's NO relation between mini iso install and desktop bloat. all it would provide is install comfort, but you can adapt any debian install whichever way you like. try icewm or xfce packages instead of kde / gnome desktops to shrink memory requirements. and 256mb is *plenty* enough for normal tasks if you properly shrink your desktop environment. even 128mb is still "usable", I think. |
| 18:06.15 | tarzeau | HardDisk_WP: are you root? |
| 18:06.16 | vn | grew, first time I meet a mate! |
| 18:06.17 | artagnon | unlink: :P |
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| 18:06.24 | grew | vn: ?? |
| 18:06.28 | vn | I run xfce+beryl on my laptop too |
| 18:06.31 | grew | oh word |
| 18:06.37 | thor_ | AndiM: can i run it with 128mb ram |
| 18:06.40 | grew | sid+xfce+beryl |
| 18:06.42 | grew | works great |
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| 18:06.51 | HardDisk_WP | tarzeau, non |
| 18:06.53 | vn | edgy+xfce+beryl |
| 18:07.08 | grew | edgy |
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| 18:07.12 | grew | isnt that ubuntu |
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| 18:07.32 | AndiM | thor_: it'd work, but it's enjoyable only when tweaking things to minimal footprint and properly tuning things to be fast otherwise. |
| 18:07.35 | unlink | there isn't much that 128MB is comfortable for |
| 18:07.38 | vn | it is |
| 18:07.39 | HardDisk_WP | tarzeau, aah, found reason, I used a old version |
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| 18:08.01 | HardDisk_WP | tarzeau, but it doesnt work like i want :( i want the real ascii chars and not their value... |
| 18:08.09 | thor_ | AndiM: thank |
| 18:08.29 | HardDisk_WP | b'cause i wanna make my own program which watchs for keystrokes on the special keys of my microsft keyboard |
| 18:08.37 | AndiM | thor_: i.e. tune HDD settings, remove any and all running daemons which you don't need, use minimalist desktops, ... |
| 18:08.41 | tarzeau | HardDisk_WP: it's not their value, it's the keyboard controller code |
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| 18:08.46 | tarzeau | HardDisk_WP: read the source, adapt it to your needs |
| 18:08.51 | tarzeau | HardDisk_WP: or pay me to do it for you ;) |
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| 18:08.53 | thor_ | but can i not make a install whit only xfce |
| 18:08.59 | AndiM | thor_: ...and use a -ck kernel if possible. |
| 18:08.59 | HardDisk_WP | tarzeau, *g* |
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| 18:09.08 | HardDisk_WP | i am no Cccccccccccccccccccccch4xx0r |
| 18:09.14 | HardDisk_WP | oops, wtf happend with y key |
| 18:09.14 | wols_ | AndiM: you are talking to someone new to debian without a clue about linux there |
| 18:09.29 | tarzeau | HardDisk_WP: that happens when multiple people try to acccess the keyboard controller :) |
| 18:09.30 | wols_ | thor_: you can. |
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| 18:09.52 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, why not use klineakd or xbindkeys? |
| 18:10.10 | wols_ | thor_: start with a netinstall and install xfce later with aptitude. do not use tasksel as presented on install |
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| 18:10.26 | thor_ | AndiM: hehe i am not so good to that so i dont know what a-ck is |
| 18:10.37 | wols_ | thor_: ignore it. not needed |
| 18:10.50 | wols_ | AndiM: not a debian package. it's OT |
| 18:11.01 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, what is klineakd? I cand find it in debian repos |
| 18:11.30 | AndiM | thor_: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ Or, IOW, don't bother about it. it's just very helpful for small-sized boxes once you know what you're doing :) |
| 18:11.39 | thor_ | wolfyes netinstall can you give apt-get so i get xorg xfce synaptic |
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| 18:12.07 | Decepticon | what packages are installed when you do net-inst and choose the 'desktop' type of install |
| 18:12.13 | Decepticon | (etch) |
| 18:12.25 | wols_ | Decepticon: gnome. man tasksel to see exactly what |
| 18:12.33 | Decepticon | k |
| 18:13.08 | thor_ | hmm you are a great help it is the help i have get THANKS |
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| 18:13.40 | thor_ | oop the best help |
| 18:14.46 | wols_ | thor_: xfce x-window-system synaptic |
| 18:15.35 | unlink | i can confirm that cd burning does indeed work, since i can burn data cds with wodim as user, but i cannot explain why banshee and brasero don't work |
| 18:15.54 | liran_ | I'm at a painful situation where I have in the past installed php5 for sarge using backports and now that it is available in sarge when I try to install php5-imap it's a whole mess i.e apt wants to remove libapache2-mod-php5 and then re-install (I'm assuming it wants to re-install sarge's official version, etc...) |
| 18:16.03 | liran_ | any easy way to resolve it? |
| 18:16.15 | thor_ | wolf apt-get install xorg xfce4 synaptic |
| 18:16.26 | HardDisk_WP | hmpf, xbindkeys doesnt capture some of the function keys |
| 18:16.32 | quitte | liran_: don't you mean etch? |
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| 18:17.27 | liran_ | quitte: no I mean sarge :) |
| 18:17.28 | liran_ | quitte: I'm on sarge right now. |
| 18:17.36 | hunst | hello everyone ! |
| 18:18.00 | wols_ | liran_: there is no php5 is sarge and never will be, ever |
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| 18:18.20 | wols_ | liran_: you do know etch is stable and sarge is oldstable? |
| 18:18.27 | liran_ | I've used apt-setup to setup new sources for my sarge and I just noticed that it changed my sources to be "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main" |
| 18:18.35 | liran_ | wols_: yeap ofcourse. |
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| 18:18.45 | hunst | I have a little problem : I have install a debian sid+xfce4.4 . But, I don't know how to turn off the screensaver |
| 18:18.57 | wols_ | liran_: that new line means it's etch. NOT sarge. so wheneever you install something now, it's wetch |
| 18:19.05 | liran_ | wols_: first of all, so for going back to sarge it should be deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main ? |
| 18:19.09 | liran_ | wetch lol :) |
| 18:19.16 | wols_ | liran_: yes |
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| 18:19.41 | liran_ | wols_: cool just did and I'm re-updating my sources. |
| 18:20.03 | wols_ | liran_: just keep in mind after next april, there won't be any security updates for sarge anymore |
| 18:20.07 | liran_ | wols_: what's the best way to fix this conflict then? I'm on sarge with php5 backports and I want to move to etch then...? |
| 18:20.33 | wols_ | !tell liran_ about sarge->etch |
| 18:20.54 | wols_ | liran_: your best bet is to remove the backports and reinstall the proper packages from etch |
| 18:21.13 | wols_ | e.g. remove backports, update to etch, reinstall php5 and the likes |
| 18:21.26 | quitte | liran_: the configuration files are not removed when removing a package unless yopu purge the package. |
| 18:21.34 | cusco | wols_: I just installed the new kernel (finally) hehe - now before I reboot, is there any chance to compile the madwifi modules for that kernel, while usng the old kernel? |
| 18:21.34 | liran_ | wols_: sounds like a painful task :P |
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| 18:22.01 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.01 | wols_ | cusco: yes. m-a can do it but don't ask me how. read the manpage/docs |
| 18:22.07 | liran_ | well it's a production system I use for hosting a few websites so it doesn't seem to be going as smooth as I thought, that's all that bothers me. |
| 18:22.21 | cusco | wols_: are you sure it can be compiled on the old kernel and put into the new kernel? |
| 18:22.30 | cusco | so when I reboot, it is going to be loaded |
| 18:22.32 | cusco | ?! |
| 18:22.42 | wols_ | cusco: I am sure |
| 18:22.50 | quitte | liran_: depending on how much it is in production you should maybe stick with sarge |
| 18:23.00 | wols_ | you can tell it to compile for the new kernel while still running the old one |
| 18:23.01 | quitte | liran_: or at least hav a good backup |
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| 18:23.27 | quitte | liran_: it is likely to just work. |
| 18:23.29 | liran_ | quitte: it's not a business or something like that, just that I'm currently swamped with work and project and I don't have the time to deal with it if it breaks and I don't want to get annoying emails from my friends :) |
| 18:23.53 | wols_ | liran_: then wait. you have another 10 months time to do it |
| 18:24.00 | quitte | liran_: so delay it until you have that extra time to fix it in case it breaks |
| 18:24.20 | liran_ | yep I'm gonna wait a little bit even though I need that php5-imap for some app |
| 18:24.28 | somian | Lord, on #gnu we've got a guy who wants to know if he can distribute GPLed s'w on toilet paper, and here we've got CharminTheMoose. I think IRC is down the toilet now. |
| 18:24.36 | liran_ | or just install it from backports and that's it for now. |
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| 18:25.04 | CharminTheMoose | somian, hey what did i do? |
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| 18:25.28 | liran_ | php5 backports for sarge would be deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main right? |
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| 18:26.59 | somian | You were born, CharminTheMoose. |
| 18:27.14 | somian | That is, your irc alter-ego was born. |
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| 18:27.27 | CharminTheMoose | somian, just because i'm a moose doesn't mean you gotta discriminate.. |
| 18:27.34 | furrywolf | I can be FluffySnuggly the Wolf if you want. :P |
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| 18:28.15 | somian | There was a Furry Wolf on CSI Las Vegas the other night. He caused someone's death. |
| 18:28.44 | somian | Otherwise it was one of the most hilarious epis I've ever seen. |
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| 18:29.51 | cusco | I am unable to find module assistant documentation on how to compile a module for another kernel version |
| 18:31.09 | furrywolf | sigh, yet another tv show to grossly misrepresent furry fandom. |
| 18:31.19 | cusco | on the wiki.debian.org it says that is powerfull but underdocumented tool |
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| 18:31.41 | vin` | cusco: man m-a look at -k |
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| 18:32.26 | cusco | is there anyway that I can compile the madwifi mopdules (using m-a OR NOT) - for the kernel version that I am about to boot? (different from the one that I am running) |
| 18:33.09 | cusco | I don't have m-a installed... I was thinking that if m-a could do-it so could I like compiling it normally |
| 18:33.32 | cusco | it is going to be a pain installing m-a until I deal with my unmet dependencys |
| 18:34.15 | sam_ | hi. the netinstall cd hangs at install with the message: "PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 0000:00:0a.0" what can i do? (ibm x21) |
| 18:34.53 | furrywolf | sam_: google for "ibm x21 linux"... or try pci=noacpi |
| 18:35.07 | quitte | sam_: www.thinkwiki.org might help |
| 18:35.48 | cusco | sam_: try booting with pci=noacpi |
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| 18:36.26 | AndiM | sam_: or maybe pci=routeirq or acpi=off or others. |
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| 18:38.44 | sam_ | quitte, thinkwiki did'nt help |
| 18:39.17 | sam_ | cusco, pci=noapci did'nt work |
| 18:40.05 | cusco | perhabs take out the conflicting pci card :P |
| 18:40.29 | cusco | try go on the bios and say the OS is not Plug&Play |
| 18:40.31 | cusco | or vise-versa |
| 18:40.54 | sam_ | cusco, its a thinkpad, how do i figure out which is the confloicting card? |
| 18:41.06 | cusco | oops sorry |
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| 18:41.35 | quitte | sam_: how did you connect the cdrom? |
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| 18:42.24 | sam_ | quitte, via docking station |
| 18:43.24 | quitte | sam_: if it supports booting from an usb stick i'd try that |
| 18:43.32 | Sufixx | hi, since upgrade to etch my usb-bluetooth doesn't work :( |
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| 18:46.26 | Sufixx | system doesn't detect bluetooth usb device |
| 18:46.49 | Supaplex | usb? |
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| 18:48.36 | sam_ | quitte, how do i find that out? |
| 18:49.14 | Sufixx | Supaplex: yes usb |
| 18:49.48 | quitte | sam_: check in the bios |
| 18:50.01 | Supaplex | Sufixx: if you can paste one line, show us the device from lsusb |
| 18:50.04 | soneil | Is it still sane to install from the first CD only (offline machine)? and can I achieve a sane build system with just that first? |
| 18:50.27 | Supaplex | soneil: will it have network access sooner or later? |
| 18:50.51 | soneil | Supaplex: As soon as I can get the wifi on a mac/intel working. |
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| 18:51.11 | Supaplex | soneil: sure, that'll do fine. |
| 18:51.15 | Sufixx | Supaplex: empty :/ |
| 18:51.19 | Supaplex | soneil: there's also netinst |
| 18:51.20 | quitte | sam_: from a forum:According to IBM/Lenovo, BIOS version 2.07 for X20/X21 enables boot from an "IBM USB Portable CD-ROM drive". |
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| 18:52.34 | Sufixx | Supaplex: sufixx:~# lsusb sufixx:~# |
| 18:52.41 | soneil | Supaplex: Thanks. I haven't installed from CD since potato, and 21 ISOs is rather daunting |
| 18:52.48 | Supaplex | Sufixx: is your usb host controller loaded? |
| 18:53.25 | sam_ | quitte, i don't have a usb cdrom. do you mean i could also install it with a stick? |
| 18:53.52 | Supaplex | soneil: yes it is. thanks for asking =) but if you haven't downloaded anything yet, netinst is usually fine. I'm not sure about wifi, maybe cd1 is better, because it'll probly have tools you might need. what wifi card is it? |
| 18:53.54 | sam_ | quitte, (i don't think so, there is no option for that) |
| 18:53.59 | quitte | sam_: i'D be very surprised if they added support for booting from an usb cdrom but forgot about sticks |
| 18:54.26 | quitte | sam_: do you have 2.07 bios or later? |
| 18:54.26 | Supaplex | sam_: the install guide tells you how to setup a usb stick for installing. |
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| 18:54.45 | Decepticon | i just foudn out debian etch uses vim.tiny... if i wanted to replace vim.tiny with, say, the full vim, and get rid of vim.tiny what would i do? |
| 18:54.46 | quitte | sam_: if not you should update your bios in any case. it's likely that fixes the problem you had in the first place |
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| 18:55.26 | Azar | hmmm usb sticks, I am tempted since I never managed to do burn a cd or dvd |
| 18:55.40 | quitte | sam_: in other words. update your bios unless you already have the latest version |
| 18:55.51 | sam_ | quitte, it's the last version |
| 18:55.56 | Supaplex | or http://www.goodbye-windows.com if you still have windows installed (it'll resize partitions to) |
| 18:56.07 | Sufixx | Supaplex: I don't know - how to do it? |
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| 18:56.23 | Azar | Decepticon: aptitude remove <unwanted package>, aptitude install <wanted package> |
| 18:56.51 | Eulex | Decepticon, lineakd |
| 18:56.52 | RaphaelZ1 | hey, how can I make a command and print the prints in series, so that I can see them all? |
| 18:56.52 | Supaplex | Sufixx: use http://rafb.net/paste and show us lspci -nn (but only paste the url of it here) |
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| 18:56.52 | Azar | Eulex: what is that ? :) |
| 18:57.24 | thor_ | I download debian-40r0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso (torrent) so i hobe that it can run on 256mb(i have dumb ubuntu because it unstable) |
| 18:57.35 | soneil | Supaplex: I'm not entirely sure. from installing ubuntu, it appeared to be Atheros-based. It identifies itself just as 0x168C, 0x87. |
| 18:57.37 | Sufixx | Supaplex: http://rafb.net/p/Xaq7UM72.html |
| 18:57.39 | Supaplex | thor_: 256mb ram, or disk? |
| 18:57.45 | Decepticon | Eulex whats that |
| 18:58.03 | thor_ | superaplex is 256 mb ram |
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| 18:58.16 | Azar | hehe |
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| 19:00.16 | Supaplex | Sufixx: I think you need uhci-hcd loaded, but I'm not completely sure. try lsmod | grep hcd |
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| 19:00.20 | Azar | thor_: yes it manages to run on 256mb ram |
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| 19:01.03 | RaphaelZ1 | hey, how can I make a command and print the prints in series, so that I can see them all?? |
| 19:01.09 | Supaplex | soneil: atheros is madwifi. |
| 19:01.16 | thor_ | azar great thank |
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| 19:01.31 | sam_ | quitte, other ideas? |
| 19:01.33 | Supaplex | RaphaelZ1: print from where? a shell script? man bash, see 'set -x' |
| 19:01.38 | Sufixx | Supaplex: uhci_hcd 33136 0 \\ usbcore 118980 3 uhci_hcd humph.. |
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| 19:02.15 | bolatax | help! i have a compact flash on my motherboard and i've installed linux on it and its bootable, however when it boots i get 10 times the error dma_expire .. driveready seekcomplete datarequest Error.. however my linux is booting and finally working, but sometimes i get these messages. when i boot with ide=nodma then i don't get the messages.. how can i fix my linux to boot my compact flash without dma errors (my compact flash support |
| 19:02.18 | RaphaelZ1 | Supaplex: I mean when I do a command it prints say 500 lines, and I can only see 200 of them. How can I get the printed lines to be printed in series so that i can see them? |
| 19:02.56 | Supaplex | RaphaelZ1: ls -l | less |
| 19:03.06 | quitte | sam_: first I'd go through all the helpscreens of the installer and try possibly related options. then I'd try a linux that is listed as known to work on thinkwiki. |
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| 19:03.59 | Eulex | Decepticon & Azar, apt-cache show lineakd ? |
| 19:04.44 | sam_ | quitte, tried the whole day fsck'ing boot options, debian and ubuntu are known to work, debian fails with the more informative screen :/ |
| 19:05.00 | somian | bolatax: just use ide=nodma that's the fix |
| 19:05.27 | quitte | sam_: have you tried ubuntu 7.04? |
| 19:05.42 | Supaplex | bolatax: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:05.53 | sam_ | quitte, yep |
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| 19:05.55 | jelly-home | sam_: possibly a newer kernel might be better |
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| 19:06.25 | quitte | sam_: from the thinkwiki:At the installer's boot screen, F6 and enter a boot parameter of "debian-installer/probe/usb=false" (don't use quotes) |
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| 19:06.51 | quitte | sam_: but from your description it doesnt even get that far |
| 19:07.11 | sam_ | quitte, yes |
| 19:07.11 | jelly-home | er |
| 19:07.27 | jelly-home | bolatax: possibly a newer kernel might be better |
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| 19:07.53 | Supaplex | sam_: expert mode will give you more control. I don't think it'll do much for the issue though |
| 19:08.09 | sam_ | Supaplex, already tried expert moede, same problem |
| 19:08.22 | quitte | sam_: hereyou can get more recent snapshots:http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:09.11 | Supaplex | sam_: is there anything you can set in the bios? maybe you can pin those irqs down yourself. I've heard thinkpads dumping everything on irq2 before. that gets "real fun(tm)" |
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| 19:10.04 | btyner | I'm using kernel version 2.6.12; originally, I had debian sarge. Over the last month I've done some upgrading and now have etch. However, I have two problems: (1) my .bashrc and .bash_profile are no longer getting loaded, and (2) my usb mouse no longer works (I guess that's because the new udev requires a newer kernel than mine. I figure (1) is a simple fix but don't know what to do since I... |
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| 19:10.05 | btyner | ...never had that happen with any distro before. For (2), I'm wondering can I go back to the old udev, or will I have to do a kernel upgrade? Thanks |
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| 19:10.41 | sam_ | Supaplex, i can set the irc to annother number, but it yust shows the prolem with the new number |
| 19:10.47 | quitte | btyner: just do the kernel upgrade |
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| 19:10.56 | jelly-home | btyner: use the kernel from etch |
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| 19:11.38 | jelly-home | no idea about (1) |
| 19:11.43 | btyner | well, the thing is, another guy set this machine up originally, and I think he had sort of customized the kernel modules or something and I worry about breaking things. |
| 19:11.44 | Supaplex | sam_: my goodness. it's a pill huh? |
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| 19:12.26 | CharminTheMoose | I installed a bunch of gtk themes and i selected one of them and then got rid of them all 'cos it didn't do what i wanted it to do and now my cursor is all 'gnome-enised' how do i fix my cursor back to it's default black? |
| 19:12.37 | quitte | btyner: installing another kernel won'T remove kernels that are already there |
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| 19:12.52 | sam_ | Supaplex, don't get it |
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| 19:13.07 | btyner | quitte: OK, can I use apt-get or aptitude to do the kernel upgrade? Which do you recommend? |
| 19:13.07 | Supaplex | sam_: "pill" as in a very big pain in the ass. |
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| 19:13.42 | sam_ | Supaplex, ok. yeah, you can't imagine the pain |
| 19:13.43 | Supaplex | sam_: is there any other kernel known to work with it? debian or otherwise? |
| 19:13.43 | arooni | how do i restart apache 2.2 on debian etch? |
| 19:13.52 | somian | btyner: which do you like? |
| 19:13.55 | jelly-home | btyner: which cpu do you have? |
| 19:14.00 | Supaplex | arooni: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 19:14.11 | quitte | btyner: both work |
| 19:14.24 | Quintin_ | phresh_: just a sec.. :) |
| 19:14.32 | arooni | what can i do about all the commands i need to remember? |
| 19:14.37 | arooni | alias them? |
| 19:14.38 | sam_ | Supaplex, knoppix 5.1.1 works if i supress udev (means: it boots up, but Konsole etc is not fully usable) |
| 19:14.43 | Quintin_ | phresh_: just a min |
| 19:14.51 | Supaplex | arooni: just learn them. |
| 19:15.05 | btyner | quitte: the machine is a thinkpad t43. /proc/cpuinfo says Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz. can I do it from a terminal in gnome or should I drop back to a lower runlevel? |
| 19:15.20 | Supaplex | sam_: does a pre udev kernel work? |
| 19:15.26 | sam_ | arooni, you 'll need that /etc/init.d scripts all the time |
| 19:15.28 | jelly-home | btyner: linux-image-2.6-686 is for you, then |
| 19:15.33 | arooni | what does cp -i do ? |
| 19:15.42 | arooni | it says 'prevent mistakes ' |
| 19:15.48 | arooni | in my .bashrc file |
| 19:15.50 | quitte | btyner: you can even do it with synaptics |
| 19:15.53 | Supaplex | arooni: man cp |
| 19:16.04 | btyner | jelly-home: what apt-get or aptitude command will work best |
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| 19:16.27 | sam_ | Supaplex, dsl (kernel 2.4.20(?)) does also hang at the hardware autoconfig |
| 19:16.32 | Supaplex | arooni: there's actually a script called invoke-rc.d that operates similar to redhat's "services" script. it just called /etc/init.d/$service $what |
| 19:16.34 | jelly-home | btyner: uh, the usual. aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:16.56 | jelly-home | btyner: or apt-get, whichever's your fancy |
| 19:17.00 | btyner | jelly-home: OK thanks I'll give it a try |
| 19:17.16 | Decepticon | i installed vim-full, its kinda slow. anyway to make it faster |
| 19:17.27 | Decepticon | it opens up kinda slow |
| 19:17.53 | somian | Have not seen that problem, Decepticon. What's "slow"? |
| 19:17.56 | jelly-home | btyner: note that the non-free kernel modules, if you have any, will fail to work with the new kernel. This might include wifi, graphic card or modem functionality |
| 19:18.07 | Decepticon | somian, takes 1.5 second for vi to open |
| 19:18.07 | Supaplex | sam_: have you searched for the message "PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with" ? |
| 19:18.18 | arooni | if i edit the .bashrc file... is there a way of force reloading it without having to log off/log in to my remote server again? |
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| 19:18.25 | somian | Terrible, terrible. How can you live with that? |
| 19:18.34 | Supaplex | arooni: source .bashrc |
| 19:18.42 | CharminTheMoose | I installed a bunch of gtk themes and i selected one of them and then got rid of them all 'cos it didn't do what i wanted it to do and now my cursor is all 'gnome-enised' how do i fix my cursor back to it's default black? |
| 19:18.43 | btyner | jelly-home: once aptitude is done, I guess I need to reboot? Will the new kernel show up in GRUB? |
| 19:18.46 | sam_ | Supaplex, you mean while the bootup? |
| 19:18.47 | Decepticon | somian well, i was used to vi opening as soon as i typed vi but that was vi-tiny |
| 19:18.58 | jelly-home | btyner: yes and yes (well, it should) |
| 19:19.13 | Supaplex | sam_: on google. I'm sure there are mailing lists posts about it all over the place. |
| 19:19.18 | quitte | sam_: do you have any pcmcia cards installed? |
| 19:20.07 | btyner | it says Your /etc/kernel-img.conf needs to be updated. Read grub's NEWS.Debia n[1] |
| 19:20.08 | btyner | file and follow its instructions. |
| 19:20.31 | btyner | and You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-gr ub instead! |
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| 19:20.46 | btyner | but otherwise nothing that looks too serious |
| 19:20.57 | jelly-home | btyner: the second lines means you have /sbin before /usr/sbin in the PATH |
| 19:21.31 | jelly-home | btyner: the first one is self-explanatory ;-) |
| 19:22.09 | quitte | btyner: /usr/share/doc/grub/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 19:22.14 | jelly-home | I guess he rebooted |
| 19:22.16 | sam_ | quitte, no pcmcia cards installed. |
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| 19:23.15 | quitte | sam_: ell maybe without the dockingstation. but im toaly out of ideas. so is google as it seems. fix it! this is driving me crazy |
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| 19:23.24 | xingu | sam_: 0000:00:0a.0 on x21 is the NIC |
| 19:23.55 | sam_ | xingu, i know. with knoppix (and supressing udev to be able to boot) the nic is working perfect |
| 19:24.20 | ndee | can anyone tell me the update procedure from sarge->etch? I tried /msg dpkg sarge->etch but he didn't answer :( |
| 19:24.27 | xingu | sam_: in the log lines immediately prior, what peripheral is being initialised? |
| 19:24.34 | sam_ | if i disable the irq slot, the x21 does'nt boot |
| 19:24.40 | sepski | !sarge->etch |
| 19:24.40 | dpkg | well, sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 19:24.46 | xingu | sam_: we know what is being shared with, but we don't know what is triggering the sharing |
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| 19:25.02 | ndee | thx |
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| 19:27.29 | xingu | sam_: nb: this guy http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-Bay/3897/linux/thinkpad.html (how's your shift-jis/ kanji?) seems to have given up and booted knoppix then debootstrapped debian from there. |
| 19:28.44 | sam_ | xingu,isapnp finds no devices, he loads a serial driver, "pnp: Device 00:0b activated\n00:0b: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq=4) is a 16550a\n ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC]] enabled at IRQ 9 \nACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:0a[A] -> Link [LNKC] -> GSI 9 (level, low) -> IRQ 9 |
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| 19:28.50 | xingu | s/shift-jis/iso-2022-jp/ |
| 19:29.02 | arooni | how do i install the Proxy module for apache 2.2? |
| 19:30.11 | xingu | sam_: ok well it's just possible that there's something lunatic going on as a result of the NIC on the docking bay which I have a suspicion might be on the other side of a pci<->pci bridge |
| 19:30.58 | bolatax | hello, how can i disable the blank screen after some minutes in the shell?? |
| 19:31.16 | xingu | sam_: I find it quite telling that that guy ^^^ has bootstreapped from a knoppix cd rather than using the debian installer. |
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| 19:31.28 | ndee | how would you guys upgrade a server from sarge->etch if you can only connect via ssh? |
| 19:31.44 | sepski | !sarge->etch |
| 19:31.44 | dpkg | hmm... sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 19:31.46 | Ronin | ndee: same as you would locally but just a bit more riskier |
| 19:32.02 | ndee | Ronin: yeah, it IS a little bit riskier :D |
| 19:32.23 | sepski | ndee, upgreades are allways done over ssh. console is just for when things have broken :) |
| 19:32.24 | sam_ | xingu, knoppix installed on hd (from another person, i think before the error appeared) does also hang at the udev thing |
| 19:32.45 | ndee | sepski: hehe |
| 19:33.06 | ndee | if that server runs with kernel 2.4, do you guys think that 2.6 will also support all the hardware? |
| 19:33.37 | sam_ | xingu, so i think there is more rotten than the debian installer (i don't know it THIS installer is rotten...) |
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| 19:34.51 | xingu | sam_: yes, I agree; I'm guessing that it's a kernel issue with the kernel on the installer cd |
| 19:35.00 | quitte | sam_: I have seen the mini-pci nic in a t21 cause trouble before. That guy eventually replaced it |
| 19:35.17 | somian | Cruddo. |
| 19:35.34 | xingu | sam_: and my money would be on some pci<->pci<->peripheral funkiness |
| 19:35.40 | somian | I have to build a kernel module from source: http://code.ximeta.com/trac-ndas/wiki/HowToBuildDEB |
| 19:35.48 | sam_ | quitte, is it difficult to unscrew it? |
| 19:36.15 | somian | First they say to build an rpm using rpmbuild then convert it to a deb using alien. Fine, but the rpmbuild step fails |
| 19:36.16 | sam_ | xingu, so you think i should try to debootstrap from knoppix? |
| 19:36.19 | quitte | sam_: if the x21 is like the t21 it's pretty much trivial. |
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| 19:36.23 | liran_ | what a mess, php5-mysqli has been removed and can't be installed cause php5-mysql is supposed to replace it |
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| 19:36.56 | quitte | sam_: are there 2 covers at the bottom? if so one is for ram and the other is mini pci |
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| 19:37.40 | xingu | sam_: it's a thought and a possible way forward if you can get knoppix booted and your cdrom and hdd mounted... |
| 19:37.45 | btyner | jelly-home:just wanted to say thanks -- after the reboot, I had a kernel panic, but after changing hda1 to sda1 in menu.lst the new kernel boots fine and my mouse is working |
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| 19:37.57 | Wyzard | liran_: so install php5-mysql |
| 19:38.10 | xingu | sam_: probably less painful to remove the minipci wlan card if it has one first though. |
| 19:38.53 | sam_ | quitte, there is only one cover |
| 19:38.58 | btyner | though I am a little concerned, df / |
| 19:38.59 | btyner | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 19:39.01 | btyner | /dev/sda1 6627364 6246628 38648 100% / |
| 19:39.24 | liran_ | Wyzard: that's the thing, php5-mysql is installed :) |
| 19:39.26 | Wyzard | Having your root filesystem completely full generally isn't a good thing |
| 19:39.26 | btyner | what's a good thing to delete from / to free up space after a kernel upgrade? |
| 19:40.02 | Wyzard | Did you uninstall the old kernel package? |
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| 19:40.26 | Wyzard | Also, "apt-get clean" if you haven't done that lately |
| 19:40.33 | btyner | ok I'll try that |
| 19:41.12 | btyner | df / |
| 19:41.14 | btyner | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 19:41.16 | btyner | /dev/sda1 6627364 5011924 1273352 80% / |
| 19:41.30 | Wyzard | looks like you hadn't run "apt-get clean" in awhile |
| 19:41.38 | Wyzard | btw, "df -h /" gives nicer-looking output |
| 19:41.56 | btyner | guess not -- hey nice suggestion about the -h |
| 19:42.06 | clav | i've run into a dependancy loop involving glibc and a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:42.19 | clav | libc6_2.6 fails as i need to move to kernel 2.6 |
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| 19:43.24 | clav | but 2.6 fails as i never completed the glibc install |
| 19:43.48 | clav | k maybe its not a dependancy loop, but i'm stuck (i'll just paste to flood :) |
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| 19:45.14 | xand | clav: please use pastebin not #flood |
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| 19:45.37 | clav | xand, is pastebin a channel i'm assuming? |
| 19:45.46 | wols_ | !pastebin |
| 19:45.46 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 19:45.47 | xand | !pastebin |
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| 19:46.09 | wols_ | clav: install a 2.6 kernel with dpkg -i |
| 19:46.31 | btyner | with etch, one thing that is still bugging me is on bootup, gnome starts automatically. How can I disable this? |
| 19:46.37 | clav | wols_, thats what i was thinking, just dowload the deb you think |
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| 19:46.49 | ndee | ok, on that server, I had sarge installed, I never touched the sources.list file. So now, I did a apt-get install mysql-server5.0 and it did install, but it seems like it is a "etch" package. Can this cause some problems in the future? |
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| 19:47.09 | clav | wols_, cept kernel-image depends on linux_image depends on, etc |
| 19:47.09 | wols_ | clav: a etch 2.6 kernel tho |
| 19:47.19 | xand | oh cock |
| 19:47.22 | tarzeau | does someone know the movie "the transporter"? |
| 19:47.23 | Azar | ndee: because your sources say "stable" you should replace them with "sarge" |
| 19:47.27 | tarzeau | xand: like penis? |
| 19:47.33 | xand | tarzeau: yes I do. |
| 19:47.36 | xand | but that's not what I meant |
| 19:47.40 | xand | gah. |
| 19:48.05 | xand | I don't think apt-proxy will work too well on my new router with 512MB storage :D |
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| 19:48.22 | Azar | ndee, after you edit your sources.list to "sarge", aptitude remove mysql-server5.0 and try again |
| 19:48.44 | Azar | ndee: errr apt-get remove.... |
| 19:48.59 | ndee | Azar: so I would have to install a backport of mysql-server5.0? |
| 19:49.00 | somian | Aha, those Ximeta folks provided a .deb files in a different location. I'm ok. |
| 19:49.13 | Azar | ndee: if you stay with sarge, yes. |
| 19:49.21 | ndee | Azar: ok |
| 19:49.36 | somian | Good thing I didn't need help with rpmbuild / alien cause no one here was jumping to help me ;-D |
| 19:49.58 | jelly-home | btyner: sata disk, huh? great |
| 19:50.40 | ndee | Azar: I uninstalled mysql-server5.0 but the mysql 5.0 server still runs. |
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| 19:51.02 | Azar | ndee: you first stop the running application, then remove it :) |
| 19:51.08 | ndee | Azar: ok :D |
| 19:51.50 | ndee | Azar: where could I get such a backport of mysql-server5.0? |
| 19:51.52 | clav | so i'm trying dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6 but it depends on linux-image-2.6, do i follow the rabbit down the dependancy hole? |
| 19:52.34 | Azar | clav: on etch it is now called "linux-image" .. not "kernel-image" |
| 19:52.37 | illo | kernel-image is not the old name for linux-image, so a virtual package? |
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| 19:52.56 | illo | sorry |
| 19:52.56 | clav | this a a dumb question but is testing still etch? |
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| 19:53.03 | illo | is kernel-image not the old name for linux-image, so a virtual package? |
| 19:53.15 | Azar | clav: etch has become the official Debian stable distro on April 18 |
| 19:53.26 | jelly-home | ndee: well, if you already have installed mysql-server from etch, chances are other important parts of the system were upgraded too (like libc6) |
| 19:53.31 | somian | \o/ |
| 19:53.40 | clav | crap no wonder my upgrades are acting weird |
| 19:53.48 | Azar | those who had "stable" on their sources list were silently moved/mixed packages from sarge with etch |
| 19:53.49 | somian | gotcha! |
| 19:54.03 | clav | so testing is now? |
| 19:54.05 | ndee | jelly-home: ok. So.... what can I do? I'm totally confused haha |
| 19:54.06 | jelly-home | clav: lenny is the new testing |
| 19:54.21 | Azar | clav: use the distro name "sarge" , "etch" on your sources list, not "stable" "testing" |
| 19:54.23 | clav | hmm |
| 19:54.26 | jelly-home | ndee: if this isn't a production machine, I suggest upgrading to etch |
| 19:54.29 | btyner | hey after I installed the new kernel, it said to follow the instructions in README.Debian[1] or somesuch. Where can I find this? |
| 19:54.39 | Azar | clav: the testing is Lenny look at topic ^^^ |
| 19:54.42 | clav | Azar, thanks thats good advice |
| 19:54.44 | jelly-home | ndee: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 19:55.10 | clav | i need to fix this 2.6 / glibc issue before a dist-upgrade though |
| 19:55.11 | somian | btyner: did you reboot already? |
| 19:55.15 | btyner | yup |
| 19:55.24 | somian | Then everything is probably fine, eh? |
| 19:55.25 | ndee | jelly-home: it's a staging server but... I somehow just hate those upgrade because ALWAYS something wrong will happen... |
| 19:55.48 | btyner | everything seems OK, I just wanted to cross my ts etc |
| 19:55.52 | somian | btyner: if I had to guess I'd say a file under /usr/share/doc/<pkg-name> |
| 19:56.02 | jelly-home | ndee: well, that's a given. However the release notes cover a good number of things that can go wrong |
| 19:56.09 | somian | A file named README.Debian that is. |
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| 19:56.22 | Azar | clav: edit your sources, and try aptitude update, aptitude upgrade. If it fixes, change "sarge" to "etch" and dist-upgrade after reading the release notes |
| 19:56.27 | ndee | jelly-home: ok. http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/103/133/ I just gonna follow that tutorial. |
| 19:56.40 | tony | hi all |
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| 19:56.54 | tony | I'm having a sound problem on a new install, was wondering if anybody might be able to advise |
| 19:57.09 | Azar | tony: new install of what? |
| 19:57.13 | tony | etch |
| 19:57.30 | jelly-home | ndee: I've never heard of that site. I strongly suggest reading the official documentation. |
| 19:57.31 | Azar | sound problems? no sound? what sound application you use? |
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| 19:57.38 | tony | no sound at all |
| 19:57.41 | somian | I find /usr/share/doc/linux-headers-2.6.20-14/README.gz btyner -- but that's on my Ubuntu machine |
| 19:57.42 | ndee | jelly-home: ok |
| 19:57.47 | Azar | tony: what application? xmms? |
| 19:57.47 | tony | and I tried to install a newer version of alsa |
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| 19:57.56 | Azar | tony: you better don't |
| 19:58.01 | Azar | newer means worse |
| 19:58.04 | tony | yeah, I realize that now |
| 19:58.12 | btyner | somian: is there a way to read that without ungzipping? |
| 19:58.13 | tony | when it's not even acting like it's working |
| 19:58.16 | somian | btyner: dpkg -L <pkg-name> is yo friend :-} |
| 19:58.20 | Azar | tony: how did you install it? |
| 19:58.29 | somian | zless I think does that, btyner |
| 19:58.29 | tony | compiled the kernel module from source |
| 19:58.35 | Azar | crap |
| 19:58.45 | Azar | you messed it up, etch comes with alsa and it works. |
| 19:58.48 | somian | or gunzip -C <file-path>|less |
| 19:58.53 | tony | well it wasn't working |
| 19:58.57 | tony | it was acting like it was though |
| 19:58.59 | clav | k its official, i can't dpkg -i linux-image-2.6, the base config is off |
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| 19:59.00 | tony | didn't give any errors |
| 19:59.05 | tony | just didn't play any sound |
| 19:59.06 | Azar | tony: we do not compile things on Debian stable: we grab the precompiled packages |
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| 19:59.25 | btyner | somian: thanks much |
| 19:59.27 | Supaplex | tony: you'd hate yourself if it was a low/muted volume thing. |
| 20:00.35 | tony | nah, it wasn't ;) |
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| 20:00.35 | tony | I checked the mixer first |
| 20:00.35 | somian | If you want to compile, go play with RH/CentOS/FC! :-P |
| 20:00.36 | Azar | he "compiled" the thing, mannnnn |
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| 20:00.36 | Supaplex | or genpoo |
| 20:00.36 | somian | btyner: no problem |
| 20:00.36 | wols_ | clav: download an etch kernel. and linux-image-2.6 is NOT a kernel .deb |
| 20:00.36 | jelly-home | nothing wrong with compiling, where needed |
| 20:00.36 | somian | that's right, genpoo :-O |
| 20:00.36 | tony | yeah, well gcc doesn't even come with debian |
| 20:00.36 | tony | wtf is that about |
| 20:00.36 | ndee | boah, I just hope that I don't have to press a button when the server reboots... |
| 20:00.37 | Azar | jelly-home: if you are up on testing, or unstable.. but in stable? |
| 20:00.37 | Wyzard | tony: Sure it does, it's just not installed by default |
| 20:00.37 | Thorrn4 | hello, gtk+ programs seem faded and the menu parts seem block-y. Is there a way to fix this? |
| 20:00.37 | Supaplex | !tell tony about installit |
| 20:00.37 | wols_ | tony: you are very mistaken |
| 20:00.37 | jelly-home | Azar: pack borts. |
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| 20:00.37 | clav | wols_, where would i find an etch kernel? |
| 20:00.38 | tony | ok, so it comes on the cd |
| 20:00.39 | Azar | jelly-home: hehe |
| 20:00.45 | tony | but it's not installed by defaut |
| 20:00.45 | wols_ | clav: on debian.org |
| 20:00.55 | illo | i have a firewire drive, after blacklisting eth over 1394 it works if present at boot time. That is, it is recognized and i can plug it off and replug no problems. If it's not present at boot it's not hotpluggable. What can be wrong? bios? udev? me? |
| 20:01.00 | Wyzard | tony: because not all Debian systems need or even want a compiler |
| 20:01.01 | tony | and anybody trying to compile anything without prior knowledge will be confused by it not being there |
| 20:01.04 | wols_ | clav: possibly 2.6.18-4 from lenny might work too |
| 20:01.05 | Azar | tony: on Debian stable you use apt-get or aptitude install <package> and is DONE |
| 20:01.08 | Azar | no need to compile |
| 20:01.18 | tony | yeah, except when it's not available as a binary |
| 20:01.21 | tony | like ndiswrapper |
| 20:01.28 | Wyzard | ndiswrapper is packaged |
| 20:01.30 | wols_ | tony: debian doesn't install X by default either. nor gnome nor a thousand other things |
| 20:01.31 | tony | as a source |
| 20:01.32 | somian | It's so amazingly trivial to get gcc onto your Debian system. |
| 20:01.34 | clav | wols_, is in not a linux-image ? i tried dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_i386.deb |
| 20:01.36 | tarzeau | tony: no as binary |
| 20:01.43 | Supaplex | tony: some systems have extremely limited resources, gcc doesn't belong in the base install. |
| 20:01.50 | Azar | tony: it seems like you are coming from the gentooland: here we usually don't compile things |
| 20:01.50 | wols_ | clav: that is the right one. what was the output? |
| 20:02.02 | tony | I am a very new linux user |
| 20:02.04 | jelly-home | tony: any confused souls can read the documentation and learn how to search, then install build-essential or somethin |
| 20:02.07 | Azar | precompiled, packaged ready to install |
| 20:02.12 | Azar | tony: ah |
| 20:02.23 | clav | wols_, i got a curses screen saying my base config was wrong and the system would break if it tried to install |
| 20:02.24 | jelly-home | !tell tony -about search |
| 20:02.32 | wols_ | tony: debian is a kind of "mix and match" distro. it onlyinstalls the bare minimum by default and the rest is up to you |
| 20:02.39 | somian | tony: debian is so much easier to add software to that, say, MS Windows, that maybe this ease of use is what's confusing you. |
| 20:02.43 | somian | to than* |
| 20:02.46 | tony | haha |
| 20:02.47 | tarzeau | wols_: the default is a desktop install which is huge |
| 20:02.52 | tony | I find that amusing |
| 20:02.52 | wols_ | clav: try an etch kernel then |
| 20:02.52 | Azar | tony: etch is coming with alsa, and is working. Those Debian versions (older) that don't have alsa install with alsa one-liner |
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| 20:02.53 | tony | but ok |
| 20:02.54 | somian | I am not joking either. |
| 20:02.55 | Wyzard | but "the rest" still comes from packages provided by Debian |
| 20:03.04 | Wyzard | not by compiling stuff from source |
| 20:03.10 | tony | ok, well alsa definitely wasn't working |
| 20:03.15 | tony | neither was oss |
| 20:03.25 | sam_ | wow. it's working without LAN card |
| 20:03.27 | wols_ | tarzeau: isn't there a tasksel thingie where you have to select desktop? and where you also can select gcc? |
| 20:03.45 | tarzeau | wols_: the desktop shit is selected by default, isn't it? |
| 20:03.50 | clav | wols_, i thought that was an etch kernel, does that mean lower than 2.6.18? |
| 20:03.51 | wols_ | tarzeau: I must admit, long time since I used anything but a netinst. and netinst always had this |
| 20:03.51 | Azar | tony: you do not need oss when installing alsa. By default oss loads at bootup and blocks alsa. |
| 20:03.51 | xand | !sources.list |
| 20:03.51 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 20:03.53 | quitte | sam_: great. that's at least a start. do you have a pcmcia ethernet card? |
| 20:04.13 | Azar | tony: /etc/modules should have the oss module commented and replaced with alsa module |
| 20:04.16 | wols_ | tarzeau: I gues it is. but when that screen comes I press cacnel as fast as I find the key |
| 20:04.30 | sam_ | quitte, a wlan card. but do you think the card or something other is defect? |
| 20:04.32 | Wyzard | Azar: A fresh install of etch wouldn't have any OSS modules in use |
| 20:04.46 | tony | well it did, and I didn't install it |
| 20:04.46 | wols_ | clav: no I mean a 2.6.18 kernel from etch. not from lenny |
| 20:04.49 | Azar | Wyzard: oh, thanks for the tip, so they disabled it huh.. |
| 20:05.00 | wols_ | tony: you are wrong |
| 20:05.08 | Wyzard | I'd imagine so, considering that OSS is deprecated in favor of ALSA, and has been for a long time |
| 20:05.13 | Azar | tony: reinstall etch and don't try to get a "newer" alsa |
| 20:05.15 | tony | ok, so why did it show up in the mixer settings then? |
| 20:05.24 | clav | wols_, how do they differ on debian.org though, i just get kernel-architecture numbers |
| 20:05.31 | quitte | sam_: I'm absolutely clueless where the problem comes from. I've seen it before and gave up on it. |
| 20:05.33 | wols_ | tony: chances are you saw the ALSA oss emulation |
| 20:05.39 | Azar | Debian Etch "just works" with what it comes |
| 20:05.52 | wols_ | clav: there are testing repos and stable repos. different places |
| 20:05.55 | Wyzard | tony: ALSA has an OSS emulation layer, for use by applications that use the OSS interface for playing sound |
| 20:06.03 | tony | ok that makes sense |
| 20:06.15 | Azar | snd-pcm-oss < alsa module that emulates oss |
| 20:08.03 | tony | damn, I guess I have to go through the entire install again |
| 20:08.03 | Wyzard | It's basically an OSS driver that talks to ALSA rather than directly to hardware |
| 20:08.03 | wols_ | tony: why? |
| 20:08.03 | sam_ | ok, the knoppix installed on harddisk works a little bit.. |
| 20:08.03 | tony | well reinstalling won't give me sound |
| 20:08.04 | Azar | wols_: because he installed a binary and can't rid of it now |
| 20:08.04 | tony | so I guess I'm as good as where I Was |
| 20:08.04 | Wyzard | tony: What kind of sound card do you have? |
| 20:08.04 | wols_ | ah. he fucked up his alsa by stupidity. oh well |
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| 20:08.04 | tony | wow, you're a dick |
| 20:08.04 | Azar | hahaha |
| 20:08.05 | Wyzard | It might just be an unsupported one, like the new SoundBlaster X-Fi (I think) |
| 20:08.05 | tony | great way to bring users to the community |
| 20:08.05 | tarzeau | !penixstrike tony |
| 20:08.05 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking tony to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:08.05 | Wyzard | wols_: inexperience != stupidity |
| 20:08.05 | Azar | ok man, install Etch and stay with what you get. Ever want a package do : apt-get install <package> Want to know if your repo has it? apt-cache search <package> |
| 20:08.07 | tony | brb, I'll find the chipset model |
| 20:08.14 | Wyzard | tony: FWIW, Ubuntu is desktop-oriented and has a reputation for being friendlier |
| 20:08.31 | tarzeau | Wyzard: it's cursed, i swear |
| 20:08.39 | ndee | an athlon xp is considered a 686 architecture, right? |
| 20:08.44 | Wyzard | yes |
| 20:08.45 | wols_ | ndee: k7 |
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| 20:08.46 | tarzeau | Wyzard: their sources.list is a monster, where as a debian system can work perfectly with just one line |
| 20:08.50 | ndee | wols_: ok |
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| 20:09.01 | quitte | right. don't ever install any 3rd party software into debian unless you can d it in your $HOME or _really_ know what you are doing. reading some howto is not the same as knowing |
| 20:09.06 | clav | wols_, the etch kernel failed to, the messag says i don't have the tools to generate an initrd image |
| 20:09.08 | ndee | how can I check again which CPU I have installed? |
| 20:09.20 | tarzeau | quitte: they are not related to each other |
| 20:09.31 | tarzeau | quitte: even someone who knows can read a howto (his own?) |
| 20:09.32 | wols_ | ndee: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:09.40 | Wyzard | tarzeau: I haven't looked at an Ubuntu sources.list lately, but what makes it so ugly? |
| 20:09.44 | ndee | ok, it's a Sempron |
| 20:09.51 | ndee | SemP0rn yeah |
| 20:09.56 | tarzeau | Wyzard: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/ see the curse and sources list |
| 20:09.56 | Sufixx | Supaplex: problem was caused by old kernel from sarge |
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| 20:10.04 | jelly-home | ndee: it'll work with either -686 or a -k7 kernel |
| 20:10.20 | jelly-home | ndee: k7 is a more correct choice |
| 20:10.21 | Sufixx | Supaplex: udev required newer one :) |
| 20:10.22 | furrywolf | grr, I can't make this box boot off a cd... the only boot device set in the bios is atapi cd-rom, hard drive is disabled. it has two drives, a cd-rw and a dvd-rom. in either drive, it spins up, then says failure booting. the disk is good, it boots in another computer. the dvd-rom drive is good, it was removed from the computer I tested the cd to boot in! |
| 20:10.35 | quitte | tarzeau: that comment was a bit late. but as soon as it involves mke; make install chances are good that someonejus put a bunch of crap in his fs and has no idea how to get rid of it |
| 20:10.37 | Wyzard | tarzeau: that's just splitting main/universe/multiverse/etc. out into separate source lines so they can be commented/uncommented more easily by automated tools |
| 20:10.56 | Wyzard | tarzeau: You *could* combine them all into a single line and it'd work fine |
| 20:11.11 | jelly-home | quitte: good thing is ./configure && make && make install usually puts the crap in /usr/local |
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| 20:11.35 | wols_ | clav: then what is the EXACT message you get when installing the lenny 2.6.18? |
| 20:11.44 | quitte | jelly-home: and thats where the howto comes and says --prefix=/usr ;) |
| 20:11.54 | jelly-home | quitte: uhh |
| 20:11.59 | ndee | jelly-home: ok... just upgrading the kernel... I will hit myself in the head if that doesn't work |
| 20:12.09 | tony | hmm, apparently it's a documented bug in ALSA, 2309 |
| 20:12.15 | Wyzard | tarzeau: I see essentially two archives, the release and the security updates, and corresponding deb-src for each... seems fine to me |
| 20:12.29 | furrywolf | the bios finds both drives at boot, and unplugging the unused drive doesn't make any difference. |
| 20:12.34 | jelly-home | ndee: have you read etch release notes? |
| 20:12.36 | btyner | quitte: thanks for your help -- my usb mouse is working with the new kernel |
| 20:12.40 | clav | wols_, that i need initramfs-tools or the like to build the initrd or the system will break |
| 20:12.49 | ndee | jelly-home: I am reading them, and upgrading it accordingly. |
| 20:13.05 | clav | wols_, i ctrl-C out of it and now i get dpkg -r linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 20:13.05 | clav | dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 (--remove): |
| 20:13.05 | clav | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.05 | clav | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.05 | clav | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 20:13.06 | jelly-home | ndee: good, they tell what to do if upgrading from a 2.4 |
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| 20:13.13 | ndee | jelly-home: jep. |
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| 20:13.33 | furrywolf | any ideas how to convince this box to boot off the cd? :) |
| 20:13.43 | jelly-home | furrywolf: use a hammer. |
| 20:13.51 | clav | sorry bout that, getting frustrated and not thinking |
| 20:13.53 | Supaplex | Sufixx: so you fixored it? cool. |
| 20:13.53 | furrywolf | I haven't often found that to work. |
| 20:14.21 | furrywolf | I know that this cd, in this drive, boots in another computer... |
| 20:14.26 | Sufixx | Supaplex: ye, thx for help |
| 20:14.29 | jelly-home | furrywolf: TBH it probably won't work, but you'll feel better for a second or two... if a bit stupid |
| 20:14.41 | PingFloyd | furrywolf: there's no option to change boot order? |
| 20:14.51 | PingFloyd | in your bios |
| 20:15.01 | jelly-home | or a boot menu |
| 20:15.09 | kakarot | goal! |
| 20:15.25 | furrywolf | PingFloyd: boot order in the bios is set to "1 ATAPI CD-ROM", "2 disabled", "3 disabled". |
| 20:15.32 | furrywolf | to force it to boot off the cd and nothing else. |
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| 20:15.44 | PingFloyd | furrywolf: is it atapi compliant? |
| 20:15.52 | PingFloyd | furrywolf: your CD drive |
| 20:16.03 | Wyzard | PingFloyd: All IDE CD drives are ATAPI |
| 20:16.03 | clav | i think my debian is unsalvagable |
| 20:16.05 | jelly-home | PingFloyd: what else should it be? |
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| 20:16.11 | furrywolf | it spins up the cd, but then says it failed, as if it wasn't a bootable cd... but _this cd_ in _this drive_ boots in another computer. |
| 20:16.18 | furrywolf | I'd be rather sure it is, yes. |
| 20:16.22 | PingFloyd | Wyzard: not all, some are proprietary crap |
| 20:16.26 | Wyzard | furrywolf: sounds like a BIOS problem, then... can you boot other CDs? |
| 20:16.38 | furrywolf | Wyzard: offhand I don't think I have any. heh. |
| 20:16.38 | Wyzard | PingFloyd: Not if they're connected to an IDE cable |
| 20:16.50 | furrywolf | I can't find my netinst disc, might burn another. |
| 20:16.51 | PingFloyd | Wyzard: for instance, creative used to make some that weren't |
| 20:16.55 | jelly-home | furrywolf: hm. can you connect the drive to be the only device on the channel? |
| 20:17.05 | furrywolf | jelly: tried, no change at all. |
| 20:17.10 | Wyzard | PingFloyd: Back in 1995 maybe |
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| 20:17.40 | jelly-home | furrywolf: oh well, out of ideas then, blame the bios/motherboard |
| 20:17.54 | furrywolf | also tried another drive, just to be sure it wasn't the drive and this box playing well, even though I know this drive worked, and booted this exact cd, in the last box it was in. |
| 20:17.56 | quitte | ah crap. so it turns out that with this proprietary enhanced kernel I have to deal wth the vendor did somthing that prevents everything from working unless init was started. doing the very same things from a shell script doesn't work. wtf? |
| 20:17.57 | PingFloyd | just because it uses an ide cable doesn't necessarily mean it uses atapi standard |
| 20:18.01 | jelly-home | furrywolf: how old is the motherboard, btw? |
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| 20:18.12 | somian | furrywolf: I have found that bootable CDs are tremendously temperamental and unpredictable. If you have a known good CD that boot s some machine, it is *more* likely that it will boot another, but not 100% sure. |
| 20:18.13 | furrywolf | jelly: it's an intel server board, p4 1.5ghz. |
| 20:18.32 | quitte | I'd be glad for any ideas what it is that init does that couldmake a difference. both busybox' init and sysvinit do work. |
| 20:18.35 | furrywolf | (well, I assume it's a server board, since it uses that god-awful rdram...) |
| 20:18.38 | jelly-home | furrywolf: hmph, that should be new enough to boot from all kinds of bootable cd images |
| 20:18.39 | illo | quitte "proprietary enhanced" is an oxymoron |
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| 20:19.00 | somian | As crazy as it might sound, sometimes there's nothing to be done but try to burn another Cd and try it. |
| 20:19.12 | furrywolf | I spent $100 for the 768mb of ram in this box. I hate rdram. :) |
| 20:19.18 | clav | how do you force in dpkg ? |
| 20:19.22 | quitte | illo: ok. it's crippled |
| 20:19.28 | Wyzard | PingFloyd: Are you saying that there are *current*, non-ancient optical drives that use the physical IDE interface but not the ATAPI protocol? |
| 20:19.32 | furrywolf | clav: if you need to ask, you don't want to. |
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| 20:19.56 | PingFloyd | Wyzard: not that I know of, but for all you know, it could be an older CD-ROM drive |
| 20:20.03 | clav | furrywolf, i want to, my distro is dead and i'm pissed |
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| 20:20.06 | Greyscale | !xgl |
| 20:20.06 | dpkg | it has been said that xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 20:20.12 | Greyscale | !xgl-howto |
| 20:20.13 | dpkg | i heard xgl-howto is xgl may or may not work on your system. Currently supports nVidia/ATI. http://battlehorse.homelinux.net/w/Wiki.jsp?page=Xgl |
| 20:20.14 | tarzeau | quitte: --force-all ? |
| 20:20.25 | tarzeau | quitte: err that was for clav |
| 20:20.33 | jelly-home | !tell Greyscale -about selftell |
| 20:20.56 | illo | i'd add that beryl, a compiz alternative has packages for sarge that i found enjoyable |
| 20:21.07 | Wyzard | XGL is a hack that's obsoleted by AIGLX, and only needed on systems with ATI cards since their driver doesn't support AIGLX yet |
| 20:21.42 | furrywolf | I wouldn't touch an nvidia card with a ten foot pole. hence, aiglx is useless. :) |
| 20:22.00 | clav | furrywolf, i tried to dpkg -i kernel-2.6 and was told my system would break if i continued, so i ctrl-c and now it won't proceed unless i reinstall my badly conditioned kernell, yadada |
| 20:22.02 | Wyzard | I wouldn't touch an ATI card with a ten-foot pole because their driver sucks |
| 20:22.03 | jelly-home | furrywolf: they have better linux support than ati |
| 20:22.12 | clav | after 10 years, i'v lost patience with open source |
| 20:23.00 | illo | furrywolf, then go the intel cards ;) no propr. drivers and you can run tuxracer :) |
| 20:23.14 | Supaplex | the intels are ok |
| 20:23.24 | jelly-home | and they're onboard only |
| 20:23.25 | furrywolf | jelly-home: the nvidia driver is proprietary, closed-source, and BUGGY AS HELL. completely, totally unusable. there is no useful open-source nvidia support I've found, and the nv driver is 2d only. xorg's radeon driver, however, has good 3d support, and is completely open. |
| 20:23.29 | Supaplex | might be the next card I buy |
| 20:23.46 | jelly-home | furrywolf: that's only for cards <= RV280 |
| 20:24.12 | Supaplex | jelly-home: how do you know what rv your cards are? |
| 20:24.20 | Wyzard | furrywolf: ATI is fine if you have one of the older cards that the open-source driver works for, but the newer cards need the proprietary driver, and that sucks much more than nVidia's proprietary driver |
| 20:24.31 | enouf | Supaplex: wikipedia ;-) |
| 20:24.36 | jelly-home | Supaplex: uh, lspci? Xorg.log? |
| 20:24.41 | furrywolf | Wyzard: nvidia's proprietary driver isn't usable, so it's hard to suck much worse. |
| 20:24.47 | Wyzard | furrywolf: btw, for a driver that's "completely, totally unusable", nVidia runs UT2004 pretty well :-) |
| 20:25.15 | jelly-home | Supaplex: In any case, card with R300 chips and above don't have a stable free driver. |
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| 20:25.20 | Wyzard | I've been using nVidia for years -- it's far from unusable |
| 20:25.22 | quitte | hmm. any recommendations for a socket 479y board with onboard graphics? I'd prefer i975 chipset but cant find any with onboard graphics. so itseems I have to wait for i965 boards |
| 20:25.34 | tarzeau | Wyzard: me too |
| 20:25.45 | furrywolf | I've tried... I think 5 nvidia cards with nvidia's driver, in several people's computers. every single one of them turned unstable when nvidia's driver was used. the "screen frozen but mouse moves" thread has about _six hundred_ posts last time I checked nvidia's forums. |
| 20:25.49 | tarzeau | furrywolf: bullshit |
| 20:25.52 | tarzeau | furrywolf: PEBKAC |
| 20:25.55 | Supaplex | ah, so I'm better off in some way with NV34 and NV17? |
| 20:26.01 | tarzeau | furrywolf: YOU did something wrong |
| 20:26.06 | tarzeau | furrywolf: don't blame it on nvidia |
| 20:26.21 | gravity | intel ftw |
| 20:26.23 | furrywolf | tarzeau: I did, eh? you're right, I did. I tried installing a piece of crap closed-source driver on an otherwise nice system. |
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| 20:26.37 | tarzeau | furrywolf: man, you can't say software is shit because it's not free software |
| 20:26.40 | tarzeau | furrywolf: FUCK OFF |
| 20:26.43 | tarzeau | furrywolf: YES YOU DID |
| 20:26.45 | gravity | tarzeau: Calm down |
| 20:26.45 | azeem | tarzeau: eh, chill |
| 20:26.50 | Wyzard | furrywolf: I've had problems with exactly one nVidia card, one that I was using on an old AGP 4x motherboard about five years older than the video card, and I think it was an issue of the board not being able to supply the card with enough power |
| 20:26.50 | tarzeau | azeem: he's an asshole |
| 20:26.52 | foug | what software does debian come with? or is just an OS by itself when you install? |
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| 20:26.59 | furrywolf | tarzeau: if I did something else wrong, maybe you'd like to explain it? also explain it to the ten thousand or so other people on nvidia's forums with the _exact same_ problems I've had? |
| 20:27.03 | PingFloyd | tarzeau: are you like 12? |
| 20:27.03 | Wyzard | furrywolf: but even that wasn't as bad as you describe |
| 20:27.04 | gravity | azeem: Thanks |
| 20:27.09 | streuner_ | azeem: asshole |
| 20:27.10 | azeem | tarzeau: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being aggressive |
| 20:27.14 | quitte | tarzeau: uhm why not. non-free sooftware _is_ shit because it is non-free |
| 20:27.15 | azeem | streuner_: hi |
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| 20:27.38 | streuner_ | dpkg, fuck azeem with a ruberdick in his asshole |
| 20:27.46 | gravity | wtf |
| 20:27.52 | ndee | http://paste.debian.net/30060 <-- that's my /proc/mounts file, do I use devfs? My guess is no but I just want to make sure. |
| 20:27.53 | enouf | I'd like to alter my /tmp file time to 1 day (rather than 0) -- I've done a "grep -r --exclude='*inetd' TMPTIME=0 /etc/" which produces "TMPTIME=0" in /etc/default/rcS, and in /etc/rc{0-6}/{K,S}XXbootclean files .. which file(s) should change it to =1 ? |
| 20:28.02 | azeem | streuner_: do you have a Debian question? |
| 20:28.17 | illo | foug if you mean: what do i get after a base install the answer is: very little; if you meant what is available for debian, the answer is, a lot more than your average linux distro |
| 20:28.22 | streuner_ | azeem: yes, why is such an asshole like you a DD? |
| 20:28.22 | enouf | s /should I change / |
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| 20:28.37 | Azar | oh my god |
| 20:28.41 | azeem | streuner_: that's off-topic here, let's discuss it in #debian-offtopic |
| 20:28.45 | furrywolf | heh, I just /ignore'd tarzeau... he's /msg'ing me too now. |
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| 20:28.58 | furrywolf | ohhh, and he's sending me random ctcps! how intelligent! |
| 20:29.00 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Actually, "screen frozen but mouse moves" is pretty much happened with that old system I mentioned, but it only happened once every few days |
| 20:29.06 | Azar | furrywolf: stop it |
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| 20:29.19 | Wyzard | furrywolf: and I have several other boxes with nVidia GPUs with no problems at all |
| 20:29.25 | foug | illo: well, i use ubuntu right now and it comes with a lot of software among other things (firefox, openoffice, totem etc etc) and a lot of i don't need or want, so is debian a clean slate after installing? |
| 20:29.27 | PingFloyd | furrywolf: what a nut job |
| 20:29.35 | azeem | PingFloyd: eh? |
| 20:29.40 | Wyzard | furrywolf: so, yeah it has some bugs -- everything does -- but it's not completely unusable as you say |
| 20:29.42 | wols_ | foug: it can be |
| 20:29.43 | gravity | foug: It can be. You can have it install just a basic system then add what you want |
| 20:29.53 | enouf | tardsday's a bit early eh? .. okie .. i enjoy the scrollback |
| 20:30.04 | gravity | foug: It's very flexible that way. Just don't install the desktop task right off |
| 20:30.07 | PingFloyd | azeem: that guy harassing furrywolf |
| 20:30.10 | foug | wols_ gravity: you eman there's things i can add during installing? |
| 20:30.15 | azeem | PingFloyd: this issue has been acted upon, please stop now. |
| 20:30.16 | gravity | foug: Sure |
| 20:30.20 | jelly-home | some guys at work have bought cheap nvidia to run compiz/beryl and they work _very_ nice |
| 20:30.21 | foug | gravity: desktop task? |
| 20:30.24 | gravity | foug: You can customize what packages you want right from the start. |
| 20:30.32 | furrywolf | Wyzard: I had "screen frozen but mouse moves" on all but one of them, unless I disabled acceleration, which made it no better than the nv driver... |
| 20:30.35 | foug | gravity: well that's pretty handy |
| 20:30.43 | enouf | azeem: what is PingFloyd doing? |
| 20:30.53 | furrywolf | some boxes it was every week, some it was every 5 minutes. neither is usable. :) |
| 20:30.54 | gravity | foug: No, not from the desktop task exactly. You'll get the chance to customize your package installs. It'll fire up aptitude if you say yes, and then you can just choose what you want |
| 20:30.55 | Wyzard | furrywolf: I had some other issues too, graphical glitches in both 2D and 3D, but only on that one box |
| 20:31.01 | azeem | enouf: he's dragging on a dispute that has been settled |
| 20:31.09 | gravity | foug: And of course, you can always add or remove things later |
| 20:31.12 | Azar | furrywolf: I used the free nv driver, now I am using the non-free and it works ok because I did not installed the binaries.. |
| 20:31.14 | foug | gravity: ahh cool |
| 20:31.19 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Right now I'm using a PCIe 7600Gs with no problems whatsoever |
| 20:31.21 | gravity | foug: Yeah, I think so :-) |
| 20:31.36 | ndee | http://paste.debian.net/30061 <-- should I now change that device name? |
| 20:31.38 | furrywolf | Wyzard: way newer than anything I'll own for about ten more years. :) |
| 20:31.56 | furrywolf | I've since switched to ati cards, and had nothing but good luck with xorg's radeon driver. |
| 20:31.59 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Next to me I have an Ubuntu box with an AGP 6200; no problems there either |
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| 20:32.03 | jelly-home | gravity: except the people with amd machines? |
| 20:32.20 | foug | gravity: does debian use gnome by default like ubuntu? |
| 20:32.20 | gravity | jelly-home: I don't think people should buy amd machines and run X on them if they're buying now, honestly |
| 20:32.24 | gravity | foug: Yes |
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| 20:32.40 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Anyway, it's great to use a GPU with a free driver, but the newer ATI cards can only use the proprietary driver, and between proprietary ATI and proprietary nVidia, I choose nVidia in a heartbeat |
| 20:32.52 | illo | foug IIRC the debian installer asks what so-called tasks to install, so you can end up with a ubuntu-like system. I'd suggest installing a graphical desktop in the installer, but install all the rest via aptitude or whatever you were familiar with in ubuntu. There are live debian isos to try, too |
| 20:32.56 | Azar | gravity: agree with you there. |
| 20:33.03 | gravity | I think there's major advantages to running intel right now, in terms of X drivers. Nothing else really does it. |
| 20:33.14 | enouf | well, i think someone who's been kicked who's harrassing others through PMs and CTCPs and crap, ought to have their childish behaviour known in public |
| 20:33.15 | jelly-home | gravity: well, I can choose my home machine with that in mind, but my employer goes for "CHEAP" and "windows works" |
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| 20:33.19 | gravity | I wish it were otherwise, but it's not. Whatever ati supports is pretty good too right now |
| 20:33.26 | drexxi | hi can someone help me with "tor" ? |
| 20:33.29 | gravity | jelly-home: Yeah, I know how it is |
| 20:33.30 | drexxi | the demon fails to start |
| 20:33.30 | illo | foug debian has no preferred desktop system. I like xfce4 with it |
| 20:33.33 | Wyzard | I'm curious about how an Intel X3000 actually compares to an ATI or nVidia card |
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| 20:33.48 | furrywolf | Wyzard: I've never tried in anything nearly that new... but on older stuff, I've never been able to get an uptime of more than a week with nvidia's driver installed. |
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| 20:33.53 | valdyn | Wyzard: running what? |
| 20:34.03 | bolatax | help! how can i know if device /dev/hdd is a compact flash or an hard disk without using hdparm? |
| 20:34.03 | Azar | gravity: my all time favorites: amd with nvidia, all time disliked: intel and ati |
| 20:34.21 | Wyzard | valdyn: anything... what sort of things would be usable on an ATI/nVidia but too slow to be useful on an X3000 |
| 20:34.27 | gravity | Azar: intel video? Because of the performance? |
| 20:34.31 | quitte | doom3? |
| 20:34.34 | valdyn | Wyzard: games? |
| 20:34.34 | furrywolf | brb, switching kvm back to the other box |
| 20:34.45 | Wyzard | valdyn: My 1.5-year-old laptop has an i915, and driver-wise I'm pretty happy with it, but it can't handle any games newer than Quake 3 |
| 20:34.46 | Azar | gravity: the intel vs amd cpu I ment |
| 20:34.50 | gravity | ah |
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| 20:34.59 | illo | bolatax try time reading a file, so you can see the performance. I guess compact flash is way slower than an hd... well it used to be at least |
| 20:35.04 | gravity | Azar: Yeah, I don't really care about the CPU, to be honest. They're both equal in my mind |
| 20:35.05 | matthew | Can't find font 'fixed' ? |
| 20:35.07 | gravity | The video has major divergence |
| 20:35.10 | foug | illo: ahh i see. I'm not really going for a more ubuntu like system. I'm sticking with debian cuz i like apt, and I don't like the sound of fedora's of gentoo's package management, Ubuntu has a lot of uneccessary stuff on it it seems |
| 20:35.22 | gravity | matthew: Did you upgrade sarge to etch or something? |
| 20:35.27 | Wyzard | furrywolf: A 6200 isn't all that new... I bought mine for around $70 USD about a year ago |
| 20:35.28 | matthew | no O_o |
| 20:35.36 | gravity | matthew: What happened? |
| 20:35.37 | ndee | http://paste.debian.net/30061 <-- that's what I got when I entered /sbin/lilo . Should I change that now? |
| 20:35.44 | Wyzard | furrywolf: It's probably $40 or $50 by now |
| 20:36.05 | matthew | tried installing XGL D: |
| 20:36.11 | illo | foug you can probably slim down ubuntu too. Apt has a preference not to load recommended packages which i would consider in either debian or ubuntu if you don't want to end up with too many packages |
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| 20:36.28 | gravity | furgh |
| 20:36.48 | jelly-home | furrywolf: fwiw nvidia 7300 (about $50 here in Croatia) works well on our AMD/ATI SB600 machines at work |
| 20:36.49 | Azar | matthew: if you installed Debian 3.1 before April 18 2007 and your sources list contain sources pointing at "stable" most likely you are now mixing etch with sarge sources |
| 20:36.50 | foug | illo: yea, i installed a lot of add ons for audacious accidently once and it made me lag if i ran a game along with audacious, lol |
| 20:37.14 | enouf | furrywolf: as to you orig issue (non-boting CD/DVD drive) -- the nly thing that comes to mind is the HDD has some DDO software installed stopping it at the BPB botstrapping handoff |
| 20:37.22 | enouf | r bootstrapping |
| 20:37.34 | gravity | matthew: Are you running unstable? |
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| 20:37.40 | matthew | This was a fresh etch install O_o |
| 20:37.44 | enouf | furrywolf: stuff like older Ontrack DDO .. |
| 20:37.56 | gravity | ok |
| 20:37.59 | jelly-home | enouf: the funny thing is the left _only_ the cdrom in the bios boot devices setup |
| 20:38.12 | Wyzard | furrywolf: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121542 -- $37 |
| 20:38.12 | gravity | matthew: Can you post your xorg.conf in a pastebin? |
| 20:38.20 | matthew | From terminal? |
| 20:38.27 | gravity | meh, never mind |
| 20:38.33 | gravity | It's probably just the default if it's a fresh install |
| 20:38.39 | gravity | I don't know how Xgl looks for fonts |
| 20:39.19 | furrywolf | $50 for a video card would be more than I spent for my entire computer, video card and all. |
| 20:39.26 | gravity | You've got to make sure it's looking in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ |
| 20:39.32 | illo | foug, aptitude purge works well, anyway. Aptitude logs the attempted actions so it's not too difficult to roll back. |
| 20:39.45 | furrywolf | and since I have a perfectly stable ati card, why would I want a newer one? :) |
| 20:39.57 | furrywolf | Wyzard: dual p3-866. |
| 20:40.09 | foug | illo: ahh i see, i'm still new to all of this, been using ubuntu only about a month. But I use apt-get to install an ything i need |
| 20:40.14 | Wyzard | That's worth more than $50 :-) |
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| 20:40.34 | matthew | !xgl-oneliner |
| 20:40.38 | illo | furrywolf not bad at all, i guess it's an used one, else OLPC is bankrupt :) |
| 20:40.43 | matthew | !xgl-one-liner |
| 20:40.51 | matthew | aptitude |
| 20:40.53 | matthew | oops |
| 20:40.56 | ndee | HAHA, it worked. |
| 20:40.57 | ndee | juhu |
| 20:40.59 | furrywolf | Wyzard: motherboard was $5, first cpu in a $3 computer, second cpu in a $15 computer, memory $1, video card $5, etc. :) |
| 20:41.17 | furrywolf | new caps for the motherboard was another $5... |
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| 20:41.51 | furrywolf | (22 uber-shiny Nichicon low-esr switching supply caps) |
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| 20:41.58 | streuner_ | Azar: don't worry, its not the first and not the last time he got banned... |
| 20:42.09 | azeem | silenced |
| 20:42.13 | azeem | temporarily |
| 20:42.19 | Azar | well, I hope he comes back... |
| 20:42.27 | streuner_ | he will |
| 20:42.57 | matthew | I give up. Reinstall time. |
| 20:43.18 | Azar | he is just too passionate about video, benchmarks, games... got carried out |
| 20:43.27 | drexxi | can someone help me to get tor running? |
| 20:43.31 | illo | hehe an italian dial up provider has lots of subnets whose dns don't resolve. When i wanted to wreck things in a channel i used that one. Wonder if it's still up |
| 20:43.56 | furrywolf | if you're decent at soldering, you can get very good deals on pentium-3 era motherboards. :) |
| 20:44.05 | jelly-home | illo: lots of isps don't care about reverse dns for dynamic ips. |
| 20:44.12 | furrywolf | the best deal was the ram... got a bag of assorted dimms for $1 at a yard sale. |
| 20:44.14 | jelly-home | illo: whois ftw ;-) |
| 20:44.21 | somian | furrywolf: way to go ;-) |
| 20:44.50 | furrywolf | in the bag... 4 512MB ECC PC-133 dimms, 4 256MB ECC PC-133 dimms, and the rest were 128s of various specs. :) |
| 20:45.06 | furrywolf | none of them were labled... for $1 I was expecting a bunch of 8s and 16s... |
| 20:45.40 | jelly-home | furrywolf: an smp machine is always nice... you can watch a movie and build kernels at the same time ;-) |
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| 20:45.56 | furrywolf | jelly: nah... you can use both cpus to build the kernel. :) |
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| 20:46.41 | illo | jelly-home, yep but manual work required. Or a clever bot. |
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| 20:46.58 | jelly-home | furrywolf: eh, I'd expect you'd be into furry anime O:-) |
| 20:47.07 | somian | ja, me too ;) |
| 20:47.12 | furrywolf | ugh. and I like anime even less than normal movies. |
| 20:47.54 | furrywolf | I also don't own a TV, which everyone considers a completely unfathomable concept. :) |
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| 20:48.45 | somian | It's hardly unfathomable; its even praiseworthy as long as you don't become pious about it ;-) |
| 20:48.49 | sayi | hi everybody |
| 20:48.52 | furrywolf | lol |
| 20:48.59 | sayi | how can i save iptables rules ? |
| 20:49.01 | furrywolf | you're not american, are you? :) |
| 20:49.08 | somian | righteous* I really meant ;-) |
| 20:49.27 | somian | All-American dissident queer lefty freak |
| 20:49.43 | furrywolf | you can't be american and queer at once. bush says that's not allowed. |
| 20:50.01 | somian | With horrible arguments between me and my so-called liberal friends and relatives |
| 20:50.04 | illo | sayi, save them in a bash script and have it executed at boot in one of the couple ways? |
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| 20:50.41 | somian | Well, yeah, currently there's a group of traitors in charge. Such things happen. |
| 20:50.59 | furrywolf | bah. mentioning america made me think about all the things I miss here, and now I want a good curry. :( |
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| 20:51.37 | somian | When people pine for good curry they usually reference London ;-) |
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| 20:51.56 | suppaman | hi |
| 20:52.00 | streuner_ | and they eat only pakistani or indian food :-) |
| 20:52.07 | furrywolf | there's no curry within a hundred miles of here. |
| 20:52.17 | streuner_ | Where? |
| 20:52.25 | xand | theres plenty here, but it doesn't agree with me |
| 20:52.27 | streuner_ | must be in the states :-) |
| 20:52.37 | furrywolf | there's only one indian reasturant, and for exhorbatant prices they'll serve you a teeny tiny plate of meat with slightly yellow-colored sauce, and call it curry. |
| 20:52.40 | Azar | gamers, is scorched 3D in sarge repositories? how can I find/ |
| 20:52.42 | furrywolf | northern california, usa. |
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| 20:52.57 | xand | london is nearby c.c |
| 20:53.29 | furrywolf | xand: think they can airmail a take-out curry in less time than it takes to get cold? :) |
| 20:53.36 | streuner_ | heh, they make good pizzas too ;-) |
| 20:53.43 | Azar | ewwwwwww indian pizza |
| 20:53.49 | Azar | italian pizza is the real deal |
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| 20:54.08 | streuner_ | Azar: all of those people who make pizzas in big town in .de are indian or pakistani ;-) |
| 20:54.17 | streuner_ | s/town/towns/ |
| 20:54.29 | Azar | I believe you, man, in Vienna turks make pizza |
| 20:54.32 | illo | italian pizza? naples' pizza you meant. |
| 20:54.36 | xand | furrywolf: doubtful :P |
| 20:54.46 | furrywolf | hrmm, curry pizza... that's not a half bad idea... use really thick nan bread for the crust... |
| 20:54.48 | illo | it's different from pizza in other parts of italy |
| 20:55.03 | xand | furrywolf: sounds revolting :P |
| 20:55.17 | Azar | yeah that curry thing... I guess I got allergy to it |
| 20:55.18 | furrywolf | make it more like a calizone, with the curry between two layers of nan bread. |
| 20:55.31 | furrywolf | curry is, like, the best food ever. :) |
| 20:55.38 | Azar | yeah right |
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| 20:56.12 | Azar | if I go to india I will beat the record of hunger strike |
| 20:56.23 | streuner_ | haha |
| 20:56.28 | furrywolf | too bad I'm horrible at cooking it... I can make a maple syrup mousse that'll put many fine chefs to shame, but I can't cook a simple curry. |
| 20:56.30 | Azar | nice people, but bad baaaad food |
| 20:56.40 | illo | I must not mention debianists imagining a pizza with curry or everybody here will switch to ubuntu. |
| 20:56.57 | gravity | I think I've had such a thing |
| 20:57.39 | streuner_ | Azar: you are living in europe, that's why |
| 20:57.53 | Azar | streuner_: I live in California and I never ever touched a hamburger |
| 20:58.03 | illo | Anyway all pizzas different from "margherita" are technically unorthodox |
| 20:58.04 | streuner_ | Azar: heh |
| 20:58.13 | Azar | filet mignon, fish, cordon bleu.. |
| 20:58.17 | streuner_ | Azar: aren't you spanish? |
| 20:58.19 | gravity | You're all making me hungry. |
| 20:58.26 | streuner_ | yeah |
| 20:58.26 | apo_ | illo: I actually just switched from Ubuntu to Debian... :P |
| 20:58.38 | jelly-home | is this the room for a quattro formaggi? |
| 20:58.57 | apo_ | Only on my notebook, though. That one's for playing around :) |
| 20:58.58 | suppaman | jelly-home: I'd like to |
| 20:59.00 | Azar | streuner_: romanian, with very good spanish speaking/writing, and yes speaking english too. Lived in Austria 2 years and miss it a lot |
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| 20:59.18 | illo | apo isn't debian a little more stable? that was my impression compared with ubuntu at work |
| 20:59.24 | streuner_ | Azar: where do you live in the states? |
| 20:59.42 | Azar | streuner_: in L.A. to watch celebs going to county jail :) |
| 20:59.53 | suppaman | illo: why ? |
| 20:59.57 | gravity | Azar: WHat part of LA? |
| 21:00.12 | apo_ | illo: Hm, I never had any crashes with Ubuntu. Except for stuff where proprietary software or 3d stuff were involved |
| 21:00.20 | Azar | Los Feliz towards Hollywood |
| 21:00.21 | apo_ | (-> Quake 3, Beryl) |
| 21:00.32 | furrywolf | I like this idea. I'm going to try making curry calzone. :) |
| 21:00.33 | gravity | Ah, cool. I used to live in West LA |
| 21:00.44 | Azar | WLA is not bad either |
| 21:00.45 | gravity | A few blocks west of the 405 and Santa Monica Blvd |
| 21:00.49 | illo | suppaman, just my impression... oh wait indeed the ubuntu install had proprietary stuff and many enabled services i don't use on debian |
| 21:00.55 | gravity | Yeah, I liked it ok. |
| 21:00.57 | Azar | gravity: damn, select place |
| 21:01.10 | suppaman | illo: no I meant why pizzas different from margherita are unhortodox |
| 21:01.21 | Azar | hey! |
| 21:01.22 | gravity | Azar: Yeah, it was pretty good. The rent wasn't bad either. |
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| 21:01.37 | Azar | I just realized is the officiall tard Sunday! |
| 21:01.38 | streuner_ | gravity: you grow up there? |
| 21:01.43 | apo_ | Anyway, with playing around I'm not necessarily talking about just using bleeding edge stuff (although I'm using sid), but also trying out new distros |
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| 21:01.49 | gravity | streuner_: I grew up in San Diego, but went to LA for college |
| 21:01.57 | streuner_ | ic |
| 21:02.10 | Azar | gravity: house prices and rent jumped 120% just in the past 3 years |
| 21:02.11 | furrywolf | I could never live anywhere near LA. |
| 21:02.18 | enouf | furrywolf: the other thing i just thought of is that someone disabled the IDSE Controller for that IDE channel -- whereas usually "Default" or "BOTH" are the correct settings, there's usually also an IDE0 only crap setting |
| 21:02.20 | gravity | Azar: Ouhc, then I missed all that. |
| 21:02.29 | gravity | Azar: I left four years ago, almost to the day actually |
| 21:02.30 | Azar | furrywolf: good, I don't get the chance to see curry |
| 21:03.01 | Azar | gravity: people sell now here moving to tx az for better price of housing |
| 21:03.01 | suppaman | gravity: what's the difference between college and university ? |
| 21:03.03 | furrywolf | enouf: I got it to boot one cd... a relative's windoze cd. it won't boot any of my debian cds, nor my seagate hard drive tools cd... |
| 21:03.28 | gravity | Azar: Interesting |
| 21:03.32 | gravity | suppaman: Same thing, in this country |
| 21:03.32 | furrywolf | so everything works, the bios just doesn't like linux. :) |
| 21:03.39 | enouf | furrywolf: then that's a proprietary issue of some sort |
| 21:03.50 | suppaman | Azar: how long did you lived in Romania ? |
| 21:03.50 | enouf | as i said .. usually DDO crapware |
| 21:03.57 | illo | suppaman because the first pizza ever was margherita. all the rest are variations. The Margherita princess went to Naples, which at the time were a civilized place, and they made the margherita for here. There was a traditional dish like pizza without tomato whose work was based on, though |
| 21:04.05 | Azar | suppaman: not long, my first 4 years of life |
| 21:04.21 | enouf | maybe even MaxBlast, EZ-Drive shit |
| 21:04.24 | gravity | suppaman: In the US, people don't really say they went to university the way they do elsewhere. It's more like a word used when referring to the place formally |
| 21:04.31 | Azar | then my family moved in Germany.... then Austria... then here |
| 21:04.33 | furrywolf | I didn't even have the hard drive present for some of the tests. |
| 21:04.41 | furrywolf | I don't think it has anything to do with software on the hard drive. |
| 21:04.43 | illo | suppaman and the purists say other ingredient distract from tasting the pizza. they are right |
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| 21:05.33 | suppaman | illo: I know the margherita story, I live in Naples, but afaik there was pizza even before |
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| 21:05.36 | enouf | how far does wintendo get? tried installing? |
| 21:05.46 | streuner_ | heh |
| 21:05.50 | furrywolf | enouf: good god no. |
| 21:06.04 | enouf | furrywolf: obviously for teesting puposes ;-) |
| 21:06.11 | enouf | only* |
| 21:06.25 | illo | suppaman it was without tomato, yes. |
| 21:06.28 | enouf | booting into RAM only qwon;t help you much .. will it? |
| 21:06.29 | furrywolf | yeah... maybe I should stab myself with a sharp stick... for testing purposes... |
| 21:06.39 | apo_ | Hehe |
| 21:06.44 | enouf | or is that your goal? |
| 21:06.55 | enouf | you could install webmin instead ;-) |
| 21:07.11 | apo_ | Try ReactOS :P |
| 21:07.17 | furrywolf | sadly, I'll probably end up putting windows on it anyway. every time I set up a computer for someone else, they always want windows... only managed to convert one person so far. :) |
| 21:07.19 | suppaman | illo: any reference it was without tomato ? |
| 21:07.24 | gravity | I've been meaning to try out reactos for a while |
| 21:07.27 | illo | nice suppaman. Never tried true pizza napoletana, only a true naples guy making pizza here |
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| 21:07.42 | apo_ | furrywolf: I converted my mom so far |
| 21:07.43 | enouf | furrywolf: it's your HDD or your BIOS .. you guess |
| 21:07.59 | furrywolf | enouf: I'd go with BIOS. this bios is generally a buggy piece of crap. |
| 21:08.00 | apo_ | And am in the process of freeing a woman from my Spanish course :) |
| 21:08.03 | gravity | Not that I'm interested in doing anything serious with windows, but I think it's a great project |
| 21:08.06 | Wyzard | suppaman: I read somewhere that pizza was originally a way to test the temperature of an oven, to make sure it's hot enough to bake other things |
| 21:08.17 | suppaman | illo: there a few well known places who claim to be the place where the margherita was offered to the Queen |
| 21:08.18 | enouf | i think wintendo can use Floppy emulation whereas syslinux does not |
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| 21:08.19 | apo_ | gravity: Yes, it's interesting. |
| 21:08.19 | illo | suppaman that's what i hear, the tomato mozzarella basilico was made for Margherita |
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| 21:08.44 | illo | Suppaman, maybe wikpedia knows all about that :) |
| 21:08.51 | enouf | yes MSFT found in your ACPI output ia not comforting ;-) |
| 21:08.53 | suppaman | illo: they should actually represent the colors of the then-just-born italian state |
| 21:09.18 | suppaman | Wyzard: but if I don't remember even Etruschi (the Tuscan ancient ppl) had something similar |
| 21:09.28 | suppaman | and today in Greece you can have a pita-gyros |
| 21:09.36 | furrywolf | enouf: it's some weird intel bios, very few configuration options, very buggy... sometimes will spend 5 minutes doing nothing at boot, you press f2 instead of delete to enter setup... but if you press it twice it hangs at "loading setup" until you hit reset... etc. |
| 21:09.38 | suppaman | where pita means the same as pizza |
| 21:10.06 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 21:10.07 | enouf | furrywolf: IOW, my Win98 OEM does indeed use floppy emulation to boot .. i end up with a B:\ drive and D:\ -- no idea about XPoop's Recovery Console |
| 21:10.08 | furrywolf | yeah, you've all made me hungry. :P |
| 21:10.19 | gravity | Yeah, I need to get food |
| 21:10.35 | enouf | furrywolf: reflash that buggy biaitch ;-) |
| 21:10.47 | furrywolf | sigh, let's put back in the windoze cd and see what happens... |
| 21:10.51 | furrywolf | brb, switching kvm |
| 21:10.53 | streuner_ | gravity: Isn't in Boston area everything you want? |
| 21:11.00 | illo | Suppaman yes. wikipedia said the combination was made for margherita but you are right tomato could be used before |
| 21:11.08 | enouf | make sure jumper settings for CMOS are not in reovery or test mode ;-) |
| 21:11.12 | streuner_ | gravity: because its almost europe ;-) |
| 21:11.17 | enouf | s/recovery/ |
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| 21:11.24 | suppaman | damn bastards using clacson without reason |
| 21:11.52 | gravity | streuner_: Heh, well I do love Boston. |
| 21:12.02 | gravity | In some ways it's very close to Europe, yeah |
| 21:12.13 | suppaman | anyway I'm tired |
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| 21:12.14 | streuner_ | gravity: i would love Boston too |
| 21:12.15 | suppaman | 'night |
| 21:12.15 | illo | suppaman you said you live in naples? clacsons are a way of expressing feeling there, not signaling :) |
| 21:12.32 | suppaman | illo: nope |
| 21:12.35 | streuner_ | gravity: its prolly not that bad there :-) |
| 21:12.47 | gravity | streuner_: Aside from the weather, it's great |
| 21:12.49 | suppaman | illo: there's a lot of traffic down the way |
| 21:12.51 | furrywolf | windoze, sadly, seems to be installing fine. |
| 21:13.08 | streuner_ | gravity: hehe :-) sure its NOT california :-) |
| 21:13.14 | gravity | right :-) |
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| 21:13.23 | furrywolf | I want debian on this box, but I bet one of my relatives is going to spot it, and decide he could use it more than I could... |
| 21:13.24 | illo | suppaman here there's lots of traffic too, especially near mestre, no clacsons though |
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| 21:13.52 | suppaman | illo: I hate them |
| 21:13.55 | enouf | furrywolf: just dd the first 64 sectors of the HDD |
| 21:13.59 | furrywolf | I guess I'll do dual-boot... I get debian, and if he indeterminate-period-borrows it, he gets windows. |
| 21:14.18 | enouf | dd if=dev/zero of/dev/hda count=64 bs=512 .. |
| 21:14.31 | enouf | dd if=dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=64 bs=512 .. <-- correction |
| 21:14.34 | suppaman | there was a truck and a few cars tried to pass it and then all of them got blocked by cars coming from the front |
| 21:14.42 | furrywolf | enouf: heh |
| 21:14.50 | illo | suppaman, me too. But we northeners are not fair towards the south. They used to be better off than us before we unified italy, well not we , the Savoia did |
| 21:15.05 | Azar | damn! scorched 3D is in testing |
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| 21:15.22 | Azar | all good games are in testing |
| 21:15.30 | furrywolf | Azar: never heard of it. |
| 21:15.30 | enouf | fi kid you not .. should wipe DDO laden shit, but it also may reside at the very end of the disk too .. check the disk label ID (0x00) |
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| 21:15.33 | suppaman | Azar: is it a bad thing ? |
| 21:15.36 | illo | suppaman, so after putting them in debt and use mafia we complain if they are becoming a bunch of savages |
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| 21:15.46 | Azar | suppaman: no, is normal... not tested yet |
| 21:15.56 | suppaman | Azar: isn't there a backport ? |
| 21:16.01 | furrywolf | enouf: it didn't work with the hard drive removed, either. I don't think it has anything to do with the hard drive. |
| 21:16.05 | Azar | suppaman: eh, it might |
| 21:16.15 | suppaman | I'm tired |
| 21:16.17 | suppaman | 'night |
| 21:16.21 | Azar | night |
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| 21:16.32 | ElwoodB | hi guys! |
| 21:16.40 | enouf | furrywolf: aha .. i just recalled the Compaq scam |
| 21:16.49 | ElwoodB | I've got a goofy question |
| 21:16.53 | enouf | which uses IML.. the actual BIOS boot code resides on the HDD |
| 21:16.55 | Azar | ElwoodB: ask |
| 21:17.00 | ElwoodB | does anybody know anybody that's online now and is good with MS Access ? |
| 21:17.10 | Azar | hehe |
| 21:17.13 | Azar | good joke |
| 21:17.15 | enouf | there's no BIOS ROM chip actually anywhere |
| 21:17.25 | illo | ElwoodB, isn't kind of the wrong channel to as for MS related stuff? :) |
| 21:17.27 | furrywolf | hrmm, know what's different between all my linux cds and my relative's windoze dvd? the linux cd is a cd, the windows one is a dvd. |
| 21:17.31 | enouf | is it one of _those_? .. (hold nose) |
| 21:17.38 | ElwoodB | if not then does anybody know any database - related IRC channels anywhere ? |
| 21:17.39 | pipeline | ElwoodB: Sure. |
| 21:17.50 | Azar | ElwoodB: you can't ask a MS question on a linux Debian channel.. |
| 21:17.51 | pipeline | ElwoodB: But it'll cost you. |
| 21:17.53 | ElwoodB | yeah I know, but this is serious and I myself am using debian daily |
| 21:17.54 | Azar | chanell.. |
| 21:17.56 | gravity | That is a different question |
| 21:17.57 | Azar | ow well |
| 21:18.18 | pipeline | ElwoodB: You kind of have to pay people serious bucks to get one on one support for proprietary, obsolete products on a saturday :P |
| 21:18.22 | ElwoodB | not my fault that my prof. wants me to do a project in Access and it works like shit |
| 21:18.30 | enouf | so .. you wipe the drive, and you wipe the BIOS .. rofl .. what a dump ;-) |
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| 21:18.52 | somian | ElwoodB: it's not this channel's problem either, dude ... GROW UP (and try ##windows) |
| 21:18.59 | ElwoodB | well shit then, I'm screwed ... and all this hassle of installing eXtra Pricey winblows |
| 21:18.59 | enouf | the sheeple of that era were so gullible |
| 21:19.02 | illo | Access is not obsolete. Obsolete stuff means there was a time where they were ok. That never happened for Access :) |
| 21:19.06 | gravity | somian: Chill out |
| 21:19.06 | Azar | ElwoodB: nobody here knows somebody who uses ms applications |
| 21:19.14 | somian | gravity: fuck off |
| 21:19.19 | streuner_ | haha |
| 21:19.20 | ElwoodB | Azar: oh I'd be doubting that |
| 21:19.22 | somian | That's the proper answer. |
| 21:19.27 | enouf | that was when ISDN was all the rage .. |
| 21:19.33 | furrywolf | is it my imagination, or is there more swearing in here than usual today? |
| 21:19.37 | streuner_ | gravity: just ignore him, its saturday ;-) |
| 21:19.40 | enouf | !sunday |
| 21:19.40 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 21:19.48 | Azar | hehe |
| 21:19.49 | pipeline | enouf: ISDN was never very popular. |
| 21:19.56 | ElwoodB | well seems like I've stirred quite the shit throwing :) |
| 21:19.58 | enouf | pipeline: i know .. and for good reason |
| 21:20.03 | jelly-home | pipeline: it depends on the geography |
| 21:20.20 | pipeline | jelly-home: I suppose if you're on the other side of the atlantic, yes, ISDN may have been fairly popular. |
| 21:20.22 | jelly-home | pipeline: afaik it was very popular in germany |
| 21:20.24 | pipeline | jelly-home: stateside, it was a disaster |
| 21:20.27 | illo | ElwoodB, you said MS, garbage in -> garbage out. |
| 21:20.32 | streuner_ | somian: keep it in the right mood, we don't like BS :-) |
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| 21:20.33 | pipeline | jelly-home: heh, stole the words from my mouth. |
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| 21:20.43 | enouf | pipeline: however it conincides with when Concrud and Dell were mass producing really broken proprietary crap |
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| 21:20.50 | enouf | er Comcrap ;-) |
| 21:21.04 | pipeline | enouf: I think ISDN's peak popularity was 1982, about five minutes before the Bell breakup :P |
| 21:21.08 | ElwoodB | illo: I agree |
| 21:21.14 | enouf | heh |
| 21:21.21 | Azar | well since is almost Sunday, and we are at it I predict: ms will change Vista name which is tm by someone else to ms-linux the new linux distro |
| 21:21.32 | n3kl | How can I install java1.5? |
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| 21:21.39 | pipeline | I predict that Torvalds will start wearing heels in public. |
| 21:21.49 | streuner_ | n3kl: /msg dpkg java |
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| 21:22.09 | enouf | wel .ok, when Multimedia PCs came around then .. when the 1st consumer PCs actually came with DVD-ROM drives (1998-1999 ish) |
| 21:22.09 | illo | Elwood, so export all your tables to postgres and be done with access. Your users can use psql through ssh. |
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| 21:22.18 | enouf | but actually Comcrap sucked way before then too |
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| 21:22.37 | babilen | n3kl: depends on your architecture |
| 21:22.39 | Azar | enouf: been long I heard of it.. thought Compaq was out of business.. |
| 21:22.44 | n3kl | streuner_: I have installed sun-java5-jre, but when I run java --version, I get gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.2 |
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| 21:22.49 | enouf | and Dellios into after the p4 |
| 21:22.51 | Azar | even Emachines are still kicking |
| 21:22.52 | pipeline | Azar: Compaq was purchased by HP, a "merger of equals". |
| 21:23.01 | streuner_ | !gravity++ |
| 21:23.02 | enouf | well said |
| 21:23.10 | ElwoodB | umm if I'd be making this db for a sql server than I'd be doing it there, it's REALLY not like I LIKE Access. I just need to use it this time, because it's an essential requirement |
| 21:23.11 | gravity | hrm? |
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| 21:23.19 | streuner_ | dpkg, karma gravity |
| 21:23.19 | ElwoodB | well anyways, of I go to a windows channel then |
| 21:23.19 | dpkg | gravity has karma of 11 |
| 21:23.28 | pipeline | Azar: Compaq had really strong midrange sales, and really strong low-end sales, but had trouble breaking into the high end, and an impossible time realizing economies of scope. |
| 21:23.33 | n3kl | babilen: I am running the i686 install |
| 21:23.34 | enouf | !streuner_++ |
| 21:23.48 | pipeline | Azar: HP had really strong midrange sales, and really strong low-end sales, but had trouble breaking into the high end, and an impossible time realizing economies of scope. |
| 21:23.53 | illo | They still bear compaq name. BTW the dual core nx631o is a nice laptop, I have the single core that is slightly less linux friendly |
| 21:23.54 | ElwoodB | the faster I'm through with this the less time I have to spend on MS products |
| 21:23.55 | ElwoodB | bye gang |
| 21:23.58 | pipeline | Azar: So they figured they would merge, and share the weaknesses! :D |
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| 21:24.07 | illo | nx6310 i meant |
| 21:24.08 | babilen | n3kl: you might want to take a look at update-alternatives |
| 21:24.10 | Azar | pipeline: my last source of purchasing PC kits was tigerdirect, now they too fell below my expectations |
| 21:24.17 | pipeline | Azar: hahah, PC :P |
| 21:24.33 | pipeline | Azar: Real men use desperately slow proprietary hardware >:( |
| 21:24.40 | Azar | pipeline: cant imagine the pile of crapola they are selling now |
| 21:24.46 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 21:25.04 | pipeline | Azar: Rather, not selling. The #1 and #3 PC vendors merged to become #2. :) |
| 21:25.22 | HardDisk_WP | how can I remove all packages installed by apt-get which come from beryl-project.org's repos? |
| 21:25.24 | Azar | pipeline: they pull each other down the drain |
| 21:25.51 | pipeline | Azar: Well, yes. HP blew lots of money to buy compaq, and gutted the company. They were both much worse off :P |
| 21:26.20 | war | anyone here have a gigabyte motherboard and use the gigabyte sata ports? |
| 21:26.28 | Azar | HardDisk_WP: I would guess if you still have that source in your /etc/apt/sources.list, use "apt-get remove <package1> <package2> <package3>... |
| 21:26.35 | pipeline | Azar: Hell, Compaq had already abandoned their in-house CPUs in favor of HP's before the merger. HP didn't even gain on that angle :P |
| 21:26.55 | HardDisk_WP | Azar, that is the problem, i dunno which packages are from this repo |
| 21:27.00 | Azar | pipeline: never looked at either of them, they used intel cpus.. I never buy intel |
| 21:27.21 | Azar | HardDisk_WP: when did you installed it? |
| 21:27.33 | HardDisk_WP | different times |
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| 21:27.52 | babilen | n3kl: that is "update-alternatives --config {java, javac}" |
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| 21:28.06 | pab | Having trouble pinning linux-image-2.6.17 with testing. Could it be because 2.6.17 isn't in the repository anymore? |
| 21:28.08 | pipeline | Azar: You may want to note that most dollars changing hands in the computer industry aren't connected to PCs :P |
| 21:28.12 | illo | HardDisk_WP maybe if you comment out a sources.list entry his packages in aptitude become categorized as locally installed, after an aptitude update of course |
| 21:28.25 | n3kl | babilen: just found this. http://www.nileshk.com/node/24 I never knew about alternatives |
| 21:28.27 | xRainbows | hi, does wget have an option for filtering out files such as ".pdf" ? |
| 21:28.35 | streuner_ | pab: sure, all old kernels are gone nowadays |
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| 21:28.37 | Azar | illo: too much work |
| 21:28.40 | illo | HardDisk_WP, or you should see no available version in aptitude |
| 21:28.59 | pipeline | xRainbows: Yeah, enable globbing. The man page explains it. |
| 21:28.59 | HardDisk_WP | umm |
| 21:29.01 | illo | HardDisk_WP, or you should see no available version in aptitude after you commented it out |
| 21:29.12 | PumpkinPie | I have a dark soul |
| 21:29.12 | xRainbows | globbing :D thanx!! |
| 21:29.17 | illo | Azar i agree. we should all be using gobolinux :) |
| 21:29.36 | Azar | HardDisk_WP: you could do this; with that source still active, do: apt-cache search beryl << see which packages are there and remember which one of them you installed. note them down, then : apt-get remove |
| 21:29.52 | PumpkinPie | dont use gobo linux.. use Ubungobo |
| 21:29.58 | PumpkinPie | its the best |
| 21:30.10 | babilen | n3kl: it's quite handy if you have multiple VM's installed. Necessary if some system packages depend on a specific version.. have fun! |
| 21:30.56 | illo | PumpkinPie, aptitude is apt enough for me, so i'll stay with debian. |
| 21:31.00 | pab | thx streuner_. Is there an archive source? I hate redoing vmware everytime apt-get updates |
| 21:31.10 | PumpkinPie | illo: Ubungobo |
| 21:31.17 | pipeline | pab: ESX :D |
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| 21:31.30 | Azar | bah... thats not a debian package |
| 21:31.43 | illo | PumpkinPie, even though ubungobo is one of the greatest sounding names for a distro |
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| 21:31.48 | pipeline | pab: Seriously, though: I grabbed some cheap 2-way at a used computer store to run VMware server. |
| 21:31.58 | pipeline | pab: Etch doesn't have a constantly changing kernel. |
| 21:32.00 | streuner_ | pab: may sdn (/msg dpkg sdn), but its not that hard to upgrade vmware and its kernels... |
| 21:32.06 | linnuxxy | how to build a spell check wordlist from a large set of documents? |
| 21:32.12 | HardDisk_WP | illo, aptitude worked |
| 21:32.14 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 21:32.19 | streuner_ | pab: s/may/maybe/ |
| 21:32.31 | illo | HardDisk_WP, aptitude always works :) |
| 21:32.32 | pab | true streuner_ ....just a pain |
| 21:32.46 | furrywolf | linnuxxy: tr ' ' '\n' foo.txt | sort -u :) |
| 21:33.02 | pab | thx pipeline |
| 21:34.26 | linnuxxy | furrywolf : is there a helping script? |
| 21:34.39 | n3kl | babilen: that worked, thanks! |
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| 21:34.46 | illo | linnuxxy, LOL that was a great one |
| 21:34.51 | babilen | n3kl: np |
| 21:35.01 | furrywolf | ... huh? |
| 21:35.33 | arooni | oh noes: command "sudo apachectl graceful" failed on www.domain.com ... (i'm on debian etch .... what can i do ) / |
| 21:35.38 | arooni | ? |
| 21:35.46 | furrywolf | the command I gave will give you an alphabetically sorted list of every word used in any number of text documents. |
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| 21:37.05 | arooni | what is apachectl |
| 21:37.36 | streuner_ | arooni: a nice script to make /etc/init.d/apache start/stop senseless :-) |
| 21:37.48 | streuner_ | but not more... |
| 21:37.49 | arooni | streuner_: right, well its not working on debian etch :( |
| 21:38.05 | streuner_ | use /etc/init.d/apache blah then |
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| 21:38.10 | n3kl | Is athere a defacto standard or recomended virtualization on debian? |
| 21:39.09 | Azar | linnuxxy: try vim |
| 21:41.11 | wols_ | n3kl: what is "athere" supposed to mean? |
| 21:41.25 | illo | anyway aspell IIRC has ways to dump unrecognized words, which probably can be fed back to be added in a dictionary |
| 21:41.53 | apo_ | wols_: Try "there" |
| 21:42.15 | Supaplex | arooni: apachectl is used by /etc/init.d/apache* (each of their own flavor). /etc/init.d/apache2 start should work, as shall invoke-rc.d $service $action |
| 21:42.32 | Azar | linnuxxy: vim also has a plugin for spellchecking: http://vim.sourceforge.net/scripts/script.php?script_id=499 |
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| 21:43.10 | Azar | furrywolf: you still have to practice and learn "the debian way" of doing things... |
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| 21:43.21 | furrywolf | Azar: ? |
| 21:43.25 | linnuxxy | Azar.. I'm trying to build a dictionary for aspell, myspell |
| 21:43.35 | illo | azar vi vs a bash script is the debian way? :) |
| 21:43.42 | Azar | linnuxxy: ah you try to make your own one... nice |
| 21:43.57 | n3kl | wols_: a drunken typo. |
| 21:43.57 | Azar | illo: it was not specifically related to vim |
| 21:44.13 | linnuxxy | Azar, very nice... but if i just know where to start from? |
| 21:44.19 | Supaplex | vi already has builting spell checking. sometimes it gets ignored if syntax highlighting is on. :help spell (iirc) |
| 21:44.24 | Supaplex | s/vi/vim/ |
| 21:44.34 | n3kl | I want to run a virtual installation of solaris on a box without bringing down debian to do so. Are there any nice virtualization tools to do so? Vmware seems bloated. |
| 21:44.46 | Azar | Supaplex: I know from the tutorial, thought that plugin script gave it more muscle |
| 21:45.03 | Supaplex | n3kl: qemu, xen, virtualbox |
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| 21:47.51 | n3kl | Supaplex: hmm, googleing, thanks |
| 21:47.52 | arooni | how can i make is such that when a script logs in as root, and then tries to run this command "sudo apachectl graceful" ... this command "sudo apache2ctl graceful" is run instead? |
| 21:47.53 | Azar | hehe funny nick |
| 21:48.23 | Supaplex | arooni: make a symlink |
| 21:48.31 | furrywolf | arooni: symlink apache2ctl to apachectl? |
| 21:48.37 | arooni | Supaplex: how do i do this? |
| 21:48.51 | Azar | Supaplex: might be by configuring the environment variables? |
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| 21:49.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know of any good headphones that have USB (I hate minijacks), are of a good quality and preferably not terribly expensive? |
| 21:50.13 | Supaplex | Azar: you know, it's been a few days since I tried it for the first time, and I forgot already. |
| 21:50.25 | Azar | shell functions? |
| 21:50.47 | Azar | myls() { |
| 21:50.51 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.46 | Supaplex | Azar: I thought you were talking about vim. :P |
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| 21:52.12 | Azar | Supaplex: ahhhh.. no I was wondering if a shell function could perform aaroni's command |
| 21:52.38 | beet0l | can anyone suggest a lightweight way to transfer files from client to client (bi-directional) |
| 21:52.43 | Supaplex | Azar: it a symlink would be eaiser, provided he doesn't install over it. |
| 21:52.45 | Wyzard | Dark_Apostrophe: The nice thing about "regular" headphones is that they plug into your regular sound card |
| 21:52.54 | Wyzard | Dark_Apostrophe: USB headphones *are* a sound card, as far as the system is concerned |
| 21:53.01 | dondelelcaro | !+depends libc6 etch |
| 21:53.02 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 21:53.05 | dpkg | libc6: depends on tzdata |
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| 21:53.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Wyzard: I don't care - Miniports get worn out very quickly |
| 21:53.27 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: the mirror that it pulls files from was down some time last night, so that's probably why it failed |
| 21:53.44 | illo | Dark_Apostrophe, i'd not waste an usb port for audio, and such headphones should incorporate a DAC to accomodate usb output, unless it's hi quality stuff i don't see any gain |
| 21:54.12 | Wyzard | Dark_Apostrophe: I've never tried using USB headphones in Linux, so I don't know how well the system deal with suddenly plugging in a second soundcard and expecting it to know which one(s) to use... that'd be my concern |
| 21:55.06 | furrywolf | Wyzard: I've never used usb headphones, but I have a usb sound gizmo, and it works flawlessly... |
| 21:55.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's for a laptop.. I don't want its miniport worn out due to constant unplugging/replugging |
| 21:55.17 | furrywolf | it gets assigned the first available alsa card id number when you plug it in. |
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| 21:55.37 | furrywolf | Dark_Apostrophe: umm, usb plugs get worn out even faster. |
| 21:55.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | With HAL, maybe it would work out |
| 21:55.47 | Wyzard | I plug/unplug headphones on my laptop on a daily basis, and neither the jack nor the plug are worn-out |
| 21:55.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | furrywolf: Really? I haven't seen that yet |
| 21:55.53 | illo | Dark_Apostrophe, i've replugged 3.5 jacks for 30 years... |
| 21:55.56 | Wyzard | and I've been doing this for about two years |
| 21:56.21 | furrywolf | Dark_Apostrophe: get a little 6" headphones extension cable, plug it into your laptop's headphones jack, then tape it to the side. then plug and unplug your headphones from it. |
| 21:56.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | illo: I mean the minijack on the headphones, the male part |
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| 21:56.44 | Wyzard | I haven't seen any problems with that |
| 21:56.52 | furrywolf | I've never seen a wornout male TRS connector. |
| 21:57.00 | Wyzard | Unless you bend it sideways and break it off or something |
| 21:57.14 | enouf | furrywolf: that funny lag while entering bios setup surely sounds like IML compaq crap.. (it's loading it off the hdd) , that's why nothing will boot without the hdd hooked up (tried a LiveCD without hdd connected?) |
| 21:57.45 | enouf | time to practice your 1337 soldering skills ;-) |
| 21:57.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've had two Koss Porta Pro plugs get worn out |
| 21:57.58 | furrywolf | enouf: no, it's a decent-quality intel motherboard, and I've used it with no hard drive at all before. in fact, to install windoze to see if it would work, I tossed a random 20G drive into it from my spare drive pile. |
| 21:57.59 | illo | Yes, Dark_Apostrophe, but i think you are concerned with the female part. A worn male jack (never seen one) can be replaced easily |
| 21:58.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah, I am, but also the male part if I invest in fucking expensive headphones |
| 21:59.14 | enouf | the windows CDs boot with no HDD? |
| 21:59.14 | xand | plugs are easily replaced with a soldering iron |
| 21:59.15 | furrywolf | and unless you buy crap headphones, the cable should be replacable anyway, if you do manage to screw up the plug. |
| 21:59.15 | enouf | that would be a first .. you should trademark that |
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| 21:59.21 | sanmarcos | in unix systems, what is a good folder to share files between all users, say a gpg public key? |
| 21:59.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand: I only have one experience soldering, when I tried modding my old Xbox |
| 21:59.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand: It never recovered |
| 21:59.27 | furrywolf | enouf: haven't tried the windows cd. I tried it with a rescue cd when I first set this box up for the first relative I gave it to... |
| 21:59.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | :P |
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| 21:59.45 | xand | ha |
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| 21:59.51 | Wyzard | My $80 Sennheiser HD280 came with directions for replacing the cord, and I'm pretty sure it didn't involve soldering -- I'd imagine anything more expensive should be able to do the same |
| 21:59.54 | furrywolf | it booted linux cds then. I don't know why it won't boot them now. :) |
| 22:00.00 | Wyzard | And that plug isn't worn out at all, after two years, anyway |
| 22:00.02 | enouf | furrywolf: tried altering the BIOS while no HDD was connected? |
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| 22:00.33 | furrywolf | enouf: I have had, since I first obtained this box, FIVE different boot hard drives in it. I assure you, it is not using any harddrive-based bios. :P |
| 22:00.37 | xand | I've never had headphones that expensive |
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| 22:01.14 | enouf | i suppose you never had Linux installed then in all that time? |
| 22:01.15 | xand | enouf: compaqs haven't done that for ages |
| 22:01.30 | enouf | xand: i realize that .. but tuhe symptoms sure are like it |
| 22:01.38 | robin__sz | so ... In Wondows, pile of shite that it is, i turn on the IR port of my Nokia phone, put it near my laptop, and whoosh, I can browse the images on its internal memory card ... can I do the same thing in Linux? |
| 22:01.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand: It's a gaming laptop - I intend for the quality to be high |
| 22:01.57 | Azar | laptop+gaming does not click very well |
| 22:02.10 | rahul | stoned! |
| 22:02.11 | robin__sz | gaming .. laptop ... gaming ... laptop |
| 22:02.12 | Azar | I mean +serious gaming |
| 22:02.14 | xand | Dark_Apostrophe: pfft. |
| 22:02.16 | Azar | rahul! |
| 22:02.16 | robin__sz | nope not understanding that |
| 22:02.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Azar: Oh no? 8600M GT card? |
| 22:02.21 | rahul | bah |
| 22:02.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | :P |
| 22:02.32 | Azar | Dark_Apostrophe: man you gonna burn your nuts |
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| 22:02.36 | furrywolf | enouf: no, it booted my debian netinst cd just fine last time I installed linux on it. |
| 22:02.40 | rahul | mmmm roasted nuts |
| 22:02.41 | enouf | like i said, then it's the f;loppy emulation mode, which i don;t think you've addressed yet |
| 22:02.52 | Azar | rahul: mmmmm yea what rahul said |
| 22:03.00 | enouf | wtf? .. beat it with a slegde then .. i'm done |
| 22:03.01 | rahul | heh. |
| 22:03.18 | furrywolf | that hard drive crashed. the extra-pleasant sound a maxtor drive makes when it repeatedly slams the heads into the side of the case trying to find track0. :) |
| 22:03.22 | topher | id like to use the experimental version of just two user programs but keep everything else using the etch stable packages. is there a way to do this? |
| 22:03.25 | illo | robin__sz, in wondows i turned on the friggin laptop and i had to burn two dvds of recovery system and had only one chance to do so. messing a lil with IRDA if necessary is still better than windows. |
| 22:03.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Azar: I'm not gonna have it on my lap as I game :P |
| 22:03.42 | Azar | btw rahul, you are not from us, right, europe? ever ate fried pork nuts? |
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| 22:03.45 | furrywolf | enouf: yes, wtf is right. why do you think I've wasted a morning trying to figure out what the hell it's doing? :P |
| 22:03.57 | enouf | dig the hole DEEP in the yard .. i think i wil go pick up my buds' p4 Gateway that he doesn'ty want anymore .. RDRAM babay! |
| 22:04.07 | furrywolf | this is rdram. :P |
| 22:04.17 | robin__sz | illo, im not particualrly interested in how crap windows is, im more interested in what I need to do to browse my phone photos on Linux ... any ideas? |
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| 22:04.39 | enouf | phone's are meant for talking ;-) |
| 22:04.42 | illo | robin__sz, nope no ideas as i dunno what protocols nokia uses, sorry :) |
| 22:04.52 | xand | enouf: phone's what are? |
| 22:04.56 | Azar | robin__sz: feh has a slideshow for photos |
| 22:05.03 | robin__sz | feh? |
| 22:05.09 | robin__sz | !feh |
| 22:05.09 | dpkg | feh is, like, the poor man's bah, or an excellent imlib2-based image viewer |
| 22:05.10 | enouf | er - one ' please ;-) |
| 22:05.16 | rahul | Azar: why do you think I'm not from the us? |
| 22:05.17 | Azar | rahul: cuz I did and they are de li ci o us |
| 22:05.26 | rahul | heh |
| 22:05.41 | Azar | rahul: from your sleeping hours... |
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| 22:06.06 | rahul | hehe |
| 22:06.13 | Azar | rahul: in france they are known as "delicatessen" and very expensive in the restaurant |
| 22:06.16 | robin__sz | Azar, will feh interface to the phone in some way ? |
| 22:06.45 | Azar | robin__sz: feh is just a Debian package, you apt-get it, then read the howto and done. |
| 22:06.48 | Azar | holdon |
| 22:06.54 | rahul | Azar: my sleeping hours are usually 02:00-10:00 and 19:00-21:00 |
| 22:06.58 | quitte | Azar: weird plural for french |
| 22:07.02 | illo | robin__sz, IIRC there was gnokii package, see if you find on their site if/how your model is supported |
| 22:07.13 | enouf | dudes .. i'm running out of JW black .. :-( |
| 22:07.17 | rahul | or instead of 19:00-21:00, maybe 15:00-16:00 or something |
| 22:07.38 | Azar | robin__sz: http://linuxbrit.co.uk/feh/ << click on the feh --help on the up right square |
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| 22:08.05 | illo | robin__sz, once you get images on the pc, browsing them can be done with many viewers, gthumb... |
| 22:08.10 | Azar | quitte: eh was in german... don't remember how is in french, les |
| 22:08.46 | Azar | illo: feh is found in Debian repositories, very easy to use |
| 22:09.18 | robin__sz | illo, gnokii is soemting I looked at ... its some weird ass command line tool that I failed to be able to use after an hours trying .. im looking for something a bit more gui I think |
| 22:09.19 | Azar | rahul: I guess stoned went out to see a game, or at the pub |
| 22:09.33 | rahul | nah |
| 22:09.36 | rahul | he's not like that |
| 22:09.39 | illo | Azar pornview is packaged for debian too :) |
| 22:09.44 | Azar | robin__sz: feh command line is very easy and highly customizable |
| 22:09.52 | Azar | illo: hehe |
| 22:10.21 | illo | showfoto for kde is nice too |
| 22:11.07 | Azar | robin__sz: feh has gui http://www.linuxsoft.cz/en/sw_detail.php?id_item=511 |
| 22:11.07 | robin__sz | image viewing tools are ten a penny ... not that interested to be honest ... its the getting from phone to laptop thing that is more interesting |
| 22:11.18 | illo | robin__sz, gnokii |
| 22:11.35 | robin__sz | illo, is there some sort of gui for gnokii? |
| 22:11.36 | illo | see that one if has functions to transfer stuff |
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| 22:12.22 | illo | robin__sz, dunno really i have samsung and i barely know how to set up an alarm on it - not interested in closed environments :) |
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| 22:13.14 | michael____ | am hey guys the latest debian linux does it come with kde version 2.5.6 or 2.5.5? |
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| 22:13.18 | o2T7 | hi |
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| 22:13.30 | illo | aptitude says gnokii is both for console and gui |
| 22:13.31 | aptitude | illo: okay |
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| 22:14.04 | Azar | michael____: the latest Debian stable is 4.0 Etch and I doubt has the latest kernel, kde, gnome or whatever. However the packages and kernel are "advanced" and stable |
| 22:14.08 | o2T7 | do you know where to find a cool firmware for sb4200e ? |
| 22:14.21 | o2T7 | Sorry for the off-topic |
| 22:14.37 | Azar | o2T7: never used that.. sorry dunno |
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| 22:14.50 | kimy_ | hi |
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| 22:15.44 | illo | hi kimy. Can't sleep before the gran premio huh? |
| 22:15.47 | illo | :) |
| 22:16.09 | kimy_ | i need to save all my /home and then restore it on another disk...can i do it with tar -cvvpf file.tar /home --same-owner ?? or i need other parameters? |
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| 22:16.37 | kimy_ | illo...in italy i watch gp at 6.00 pm :) |
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| 22:16.55 | kingsley | Is there a way to reset the scsi bus? |
| 22:17.28 | michael____ | Azar: oh ok cause i was just checkin it out and i see i have kde version 2.5.5 and i was just wonderin if i have the lastest debian linux... |
| 22:17.31 | Legality | im having a error 500 with awstats and I think it's related to the problematic relationship between libapache2-mod-auth-mysql and debian etch |
| 22:17.31 | rahul | the whole bus? |
| 22:17.33 | illo | kimy as long as the other disk is used in a place where user id match the original one i guess tarring and untarring preserving attributes should work. I use rsync for that so i don't recall tar |
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| 22:17.42 | illo | tar options |
| 22:17.42 | sepski | King_Brad, depends on the scsi controller. it's driver and the utils for it. |
| 22:17.53 | Legality | does anyone know a good libapache-mod-auth-mysql package that works perfectly on etch? |
| 22:18.00 | illo | i know i am in italy too kimy_ |
| 22:18.19 | kingsley | rahul: Thanks for asking. Yes, there's only one device on the scsi bus, so resetting the whole bus would be fine. |
| 22:18.30 | kimy_ | :) |
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| 22:19.51 | robin__sz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.55 | robin__sz | nothing :( |
| 22:20.46 | michael____ | Azar: i am tryin to get the gtk thing to change the look of my iceweasel browser interface a bit...cause it look kinda like windows 95..so you know which gtk utility to get? |
| 22:21.21 | obnauticus | Does anyone here know of a good torrent tracker for Debian |
| 22:21.25 | obnauticus | or just *nix |
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| 22:21.31 | obnauticus | preferably with a webGUI |
| 22:22.01 | blinx | I just imported my mp2 file recorded with kaffeine in audacity but there is nothing really to hear |
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| 22:22.09 | robin__sz | any more clues? |
| 22:22.09 | illo | robin__sz, did you check you have irda modules loaded in the kernel? that should be automatic but you never know. And see what logs say if anything |
| 22:22.11 | blinx | only some strange noise.. |
| 22:22.43 | robin__sz | illo, which ones should \i have? |
| 22:22.44 | illo | obnauticus, mldonkey has a web frontend and does torrents, but i dunno how good a tracker it is |
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| 22:23.45 | robin__sz | illo: is this right? irda 162588 2 irtty_sir,sir_dev |
| 22:23.45 | robin__sz | crc_ccitt 2240 1 irda |
| 22:23.47 | obnauticus | I don't necessarily need downloading capibility |
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| 22:25.59 | illo | robin__sz, well modules seem to be present. I'd google to see which modules your model is likely to use, IIRC there wasn't sir only. |
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| 22:26.38 | michael____ | hey guys i am tryin to get the gtk thing to change the look of my iceweasel browser interface a bit...cause it look kinda like windows 95..so you know which gtk utility to get? |
| 22:28.55 | techbee | micheal__:y don't you change the theme of browser |
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| 22:31.36 | robin__sz | illo, do I need to do anything else, apart from just put the phone near the laptop? |
| 22:31.42 | arooni | hey folks is /etc/init.d the right place to put startup scripts (that i want to run if my server unexpectedly restarts) ? |
| 22:32.02 | robin__sz | unexpectedly? |
| 22:32.13 | arooni | yea, i'm on a VPS |
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| 22:32.51 | prahal | rahul, sorry to bother you again about symbols and threads. I had some research in progress when you answered me and I have digged deeper. It could be that I used the wrong word by asking for symbols (I am not a native english speaker) : I am looking after having a meaningful backtrace (with functions and file names) with thread apply all bt |
| 22:32.54 | robin__sz | arooni, main scripts go in /etc/init.d, call them from the appropriate rc.d for your runlevel |
| 22:33.16 | onur | I doesn't using sound card if i using xmms or any program using sound card. Do you have any idea? |
| 22:33.24 | prahal | does this match my understanding of symbols ? |
| 22:33.29 | onur | or is it normal? |
| 22:33.29 | robin__sz | arooni, all debian stuff that needs an init.od script comes with one pre-installed anyway |
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| 22:34.42 | illo | robin__sz, I think you might see gnokii help |
| 22:34.42 | robin__sz | ?? |
| 22:34.58 | Sweetandy | I'm looking for a script that will call to /dev/random and give output indefinitely in a matrix green until stopped with C-c |
| 22:35.28 | Azar | news: "Embedded board-maker VersaLogic has started shipping free Linux BSPs (board support packages) for two more of its single-board computers (SBCs) : Embedded Debianized boards |
| 22:35.29 | robin__sz | Sweetandy, whats a matrix green? |
| 22:35.35 | CrippsFX | I'm trying to follow the directions here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/356 ... but when I get to "$ debootstrap -arch i386 sid /var/sid-386-chroot http://ftp.debian.org/debian/" debootstrap has no output, and there's nothing in the directory I specify ... |
| 22:35.43 | Alarm | hello, i want to go to sid , i wanted to ask if i can leave this repository like that (deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian etch main contrib non-free restricted) or change it to deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian sidmain contrib non-free restricted |
| 22:35.50 | Sweetandy | robin__sz, it's just the color green, basically. From The Matrix. |
| 22:36.02 | arooni | hey folks , im having trouble adding a binary executable as a service: http://pastie.caboo.se/69163 |
| 22:36.32 | robin__sz | Sweetandy, why nit just use matrix screensaver? |
| 22:36.44 | Sweetandy | robin__sz, What environment do you usE? |
| 22:36.55 | robin__sz | gnome |
| 22:37.16 | Sweetandy | robin__sz, I'm in Ratpoison. I'll log out and try that. |
| 22:38.21 | {nathan} | Are there any good gameboy or NES emulators in the repositories? |
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| 22:39.24 | Azar | {nathan}: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 22:40.02 | CrippsFX | paenguin. |
| 22:40.21 | robin__sz | Sweetandy, try the cmatrix thing too |
| 22:41.19 | arooni | any ideas? |
| 22:41.24 | arooni | regarding making mongrel_cluster a service? |
| 22:41.26 | prahal | {nathan} apt-cache search gameboy -> gngb and xmess-sdl |
| 22:41.38 | Saint-Takeshi | having trouble getting direct rendering to work. using ATI radeon 9250 with fglrx prop. driver, but no matter what i do, glxinfo | grep direct always returns "no" |
| 22:41.44 | valdyn | arooni: so? have you read /etc/init.d/README ? |
| 22:42.04 | {nathan} | prahal: Azar: Thanks a ton ^^ |
| 22:42.20 | valdyn | Saint-Takeshi: why dont you use the free ati driver? |
| 22:42.49 | arooni | valdyn: well i just took a look at it |
| 22:42.51 | Saint-Takeshi | does that use DRI? |
| 22:42.52 | arooni | i dont see how it affects me |
| 22:42.52 | sobersabre | hi. is there a way to resize a reiserfs partition, without losing its data ? |
| 22:42.57 | sobersabre | I am on debian etch. |
| 22:43.00 | prahal | Saint-Takeshi, yes |
| 22:43.08 | sobersabre | reiserfs 3.x |
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| 22:43.26 | valdyn | arooni: now you know, but you could have concluded that from the error you pasted too, just by reading it |
| 22:44.11 | arooni | valdyn: well the file does exist, its just symlinked |
| 22:44.23 | prahal | sobersabre, gparted |
| 22:44.27 | rahul | prahal: you can only get a backtrace of a thread that you stop |
| 22:44.29 | rahul | usually |
| 22:44.36 | rahul | dunno about gdb in particular |
| 22:44.48 | rahul | kingsley: well, you can use hdparm to reset a specific hard drive |
| 22:44.52 | prahal | ok I get it |
| 22:44.53 | valdyn | sobersabre: like the resize_reiserfs tool ? |
| 22:45.01 | rahul | kingsley: also, there's scsiadd etc |
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| 22:45.59 | null-pointer | humm what is the best way to install the nvidia driver for people with a custom kernel? |
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| 22:46.28 | rahul | modASS |
| 22:46.32 | rahul | !m-a |
| 22:46.32 | dpkg | well, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 22:46.45 | rahul | get the module source and use modASS |
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| 22:46.53 | null-pointer | thanks |
| 22:46.55 | Wyzard | null-pointer: nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-source, and module-assistant |
| 22:47.18 | omri | How can I boot an ISO image without burning it? (I have the image on the disk) |
| 22:47.28 | Azar | valdyn: is parted good for sobersabre ? |
| 22:47.38 | null-pointer | installing nvidia-glx will install the oldest kernel image as dependcy |
| 22:47.39 | Wyzard | omri: You can't |
| 22:47.40 | illo | m-a debs are strictly dependent on a single kernel version i guess? |
| 22:47.49 | null-pointer | i dont want it |
| 22:47.58 | omri | Wyzard, are you sure? I've read about a project that does that. It was made for ubuntu actually. |
| 22:48.18 | omri | It prepares the installation from windows, then reboots to the ubuntu livecd, just like it would if it was burnt |
| 22:48.18 | Wyzard | null-pointer: That's because it depends on nvidia-kernel, so it automatically installs the older nvidia-kernel package |
| 22:48.25 | valdyn | Azar: yea |
| 22:48.29 | illo | Azar i used gparted to shrink ntfs with no problems insofar. Dunno about reiser |
| 22:48.32 | rahul | null-pointer: that's ridiculous |
| 22:48.33 | Azar | sobersabre: if you use parted, read this: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/parted |
| 22:48.37 | rahul | null-pointer: you don't have a kernel? |
| 22:48.42 | null-pointer | but i dont want thhe old kernel! |
| 22:48.43 | Wyzard | null-pointer: Use module-assistant to build and install nvidia-kernel for your custom kernel |
| 22:48.47 | null-pointer | i have a custom one |
| 22:48.53 | Azar | illo: there are warnings for reiserfs.. |
| 22:48.54 | null-pointer | ok |
| 22:48.56 | rahul | null-pointer: then it won't install a new one |
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| 22:49.04 | Wyzard | null-pointer: That'll satisfy nvidia-glx's dependency |
| 22:49.11 | valdyn | null-pointer: it wont if you install a nvidia-kernel package for your kernel first |
| 22:49.16 | Azar | hehe rahul, you are in for some sweat |
| 22:49.26 | Guerin | hey kids, what's a free alternative to mprime? |
| 22:49.33 | rahul | my balls are sweaty |
| 22:49.35 | Azar | Mister Guerinnnn! :) |
| 22:49.39 | illo | omri qemu boots iso |
| 22:49.40 | Guerin | to load-test an undervolted centrino laptop |
| 22:49.46 | Azar | rahul: I believe you |
| 22:49.48 | omri | illo, without qemu |
| 22:49.49 | rahul | haha |
| 22:49.53 | omri | I want to boot the ISO nativly. |
| 22:49.55 | rahul | Azar: that's what she said |
| 22:50.01 | Guerin | ]othen burn it to cd |
| 22:50.04 | Guerin | omri: ↑ |
| 22:50.08 | Azar | hehehe |
| 22:50.12 | valdyn | Guerin: a kernel compilation? |
| 22:50.18 | omri | Guerin, I was asking about booting an ISO without burning it |
| 22:50.21 | Guerin | valdyn: eh? |
| 22:50.27 | Wyzard | omri: Aside from some special loader like you mentioned, the only way to do it is in a way that your BIOS supports, which means on a physical CD |
| 22:50.28 | Guerin | omri: then by definition, it's not natively |
| 22:50.38 | valdyn | Guerin: to load test your undervolted laptop |
| 22:50.44 | rahul | where. is. that. stoned? |
| 22:50.50 | Wyzard | Guerin: "natively" meaning on the real hardware, not in a virtual machine |
| 22:51.00 | Alarm | is unstable more risky than testing or the opposide ? |
| 22:51.05 | Guerin | valdyn: yeah ... that's what I'd tend to go for. I hear cpuburn is dangerous, no? |
| 22:51.12 | nvz | I don't think grub boots isos off filesystems |
| 22:51.19 | Guerin | Alarm: yes, much more. |
| 22:51.29 | omri | Wyzard, isn't there a way to make the BIOS "think" the ISO is the actual CD? |
| 22:51.30 | Wyzard | Alarm: unstable is more risky -- packages only go into testing after spending some time in unstable with no major problems found |
| 22:51.34 | Alarm | Guerin, much more what ? to which on are u refering |
| 22:51.35 | valdyn | Guerin: i doubt it. But i cant tell for sure |
| 22:51.38 | omri | Can't GRUB boot ISOs, for example? |
| 22:51.39 | Wyzard | omri: The BIOS knows nothing about files on your disk |
| 22:51.41 | Guerin | Alarm: much more dangerous |
| 22:51.51 | omri | Wyzard, of course it doesn't. The drivers to. |
| 22:51.54 | Alarm | Guerin, testing or unstable is much more dangerous ? |
| 22:52.08 | omri | maybe some grub feature? kexec even?... |
| 22:52.08 | Alarm | i see , thanks Wyzard |
| 22:52.09 | Wyzard | omri: What I mean is, the BIOS doesn't have filesystem drivers... it just sees a disk as a raw block device |
| 22:52.11 | illo | omri the bios won't. You'd have to mount the iso as a loopback somewhere after. I say easier to use qemu or burn the disc :) |
| 22:52.15 | Azar | Alarm: if you do not know how to administer, find and fix bugs in the unstable Debian, you are wasting time. |
| 22:52.16 | valdyn | Guerin: does cpuburn even do proper consitency check though? |
| 22:52.31 | omri | illo, I want to netboot ISOs |
| 22:52.39 | Guerin | valdyn: i don't really know anything about the requirements of prope load testing, that's why I ask. |
| 22:52.40 | Alarm | i see.. |
| 22:52.44 | Wyzard | omri: GRUB understands filesystems and in principle could be made to support iso-booting, but it's not currently implemented |
| 22:52.59 | Azar | Alarm: unstable uses untested packages that often lead to the crash of the system |
| 22:53.00 | rahul | damn it |
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| 22:53.11 | Alarm | i see |
| 22:53.11 | Azar | rahul: wanna play ball? |
| 22:53.12 | rahul | I want to invite stoned to a bbq tomorrow |
| 22:53.13 | Wyzard | Azar: I dunno if I'd say "often" |
| 22:53.14 | omri | Wyzard, maybe another bootloader? wrapper or something?... |
| 22:53.19 | rahul | Azar: that's what she said |
| 22:53.22 | Alarm | so i guess testing would be a better choice |
| 22:53.28 | Azar | Wyzard: to a new Debian user, might be quite "often" |
| 22:53.29 | valdyn | Guerin: well, whatever load you run has to verify what it calculates, gcc does that and will spit out an internal compiler error in case something is wrong |
| 22:53.29 | illo | oh i dunno how to make an iso into a netboot img, sorry omri |
| 22:53.35 | Wyzard | omri: Like I said, it's possible in principle, yes |
| 22:53.36 | rahul | omgwtfbbq. |
| 22:53.42 | Guerin | valdyn: right, cool. |
| 22:53.44 | Wyzard | omri: but there's no existing software (AFAIK) which actually does it |
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| 22:53.53 | Wyzard | omri: Just get a rewritable CD or something and burn the iso |
| 22:53.54 | Guerin | i guess I can do a few concurrent builds to really make it hurt |
| 22:53.58 | omri | illo, That's not the idea, I want to boot the ISO without altering it |
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| 22:54.08 | omri | Wyzard, I guess I would try a bit more googling :) |
| 22:54.10 | Guerin | omri: i want a pony |
| 22:54.11 | omri | thanks! |
| 22:54.21 | Azar | rahul is my pony |
| 22:54.28 | Guerin | ride 'em cowboy! |
| 22:54.31 | rahul | heh |
| 22:54.36 | valdyn | Guerin: or just compare sha1sums |
| 22:54.49 | illo | omri then you'd have to modify bootp or something :) |
| 22:55.12 | Azar | Guerin: I saw on pbs the other day an american couple bought Patagonia... man lucky people |
| 22:55.13 | Guerin | valdyn: it's purely precautionary, since I have a list of voltages which are apparently known to work |
| 22:55.24 | Guerin | Azar: WTF, all of it? |
| 22:55.26 | Wyzard | omri: Keep in mind that bootable CDs usually contain startup code that actually looks for, and expects to find, a CD-ROM drive to load files from |
| 22:55.34 | rahul | o_O |
| 22:55.35 | Azar | Guerin: yes the entire south of Chile... |
| 22:55.39 | rahul | wow |
| 22:55.40 | sobersabre | Azar: have you actually read this link yourself ? |
| 22:55.44 | Guerin | Azar: that's so wrong |
| 22:55.44 | omri | Wyzard, that's why you need to emulate the CDROM before loading the ISO |
| 22:55.50 | Azar | sobersabre: which one? |
| 22:55.55 | sobersabre | with parted |
| 22:55.59 | rahul | omgwtfbbq. |
| 22:56.02 | Wyzard | omri: which is rather non-trivial to do, and that's why nobody's bothered writing software to do it |
| 22:56.06 | sobersabre | It says parted doesn't support reiserfs |
| 22:56.09 | Wyzard | omri: Blank CDs are cheap and quick to burn |
| 22:56.09 | rahul | STONED |
| 22:56.10 | Azar | Guerin: for preservation... to impede the destruction of the nature by a developing country |
| 22:56.17 | omri | Wyzard, furthermore, linux installations look for the CD drive to get the packages from. sometimes an unsupported cdrom can't install the system |
| 22:56.17 | Legality | hi, one small question |
| 22:56.20 | valdyn | sobersabre: gparted supports reiserfs |
| 22:56.22 | sobersabre | so ... what DOES resize an reiserfs partition... ? |
| 22:56.24 | Guerin | Azar: mm, the white man's burden. |
| 22:56.28 | omri | Wyzard, The final goal is to netboot ISO images |
| 22:56.29 | sobersabre | valdyn: are you sure ? |
| 22:56.30 | Legality | is this format of /etc/hosts file correct |
| 22:56.30 | Legality | ip.ip.ip.iphostname.locallocalhost |
| 22:56.31 | Legality | ip.ip.ip.iphostname.domain.net hostname |
| 22:56.31 | Legality | ::FFFF:ip.ip.ip.ip hostname.domain.net |
| 22:56.31 | Wyzard | sobersabre: resize_reiserfs :-) |
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| 22:56.33 | valdyn | sobersabre: "reiserfsprogs" needs to be installed naturally |
| 22:56.39 | valdyn | sobersabre: yes I am |
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| 22:56.42 | sobersabre | Wyzard: it doesn't work either. |
| 22:56.43 | Legality | heh |
| 22:56.47 | Guerin | Legality: that's not a question |
| 22:56.50 | Legality | so is that format of the hosts file correct? |
| 22:56.53 | Wyzard | sobersabre: Yes it does |
| 22:57.04 | Legality | Guerin: is it correct? |
| 22:57.04 | Azar | sobersabre: ah no, it said : Note that ReiserFS support is only enabled if you install the libreiserfs0.3-0 package. Since libreiserfs0.3-0 has been removed from sarge, ReiserFS support is not compiled in the default package. |
| 22:57.10 | Azar | I assume you run Etch? |
| 22:57.10 | Guerin | Legality: looks fine to me |
| 22:57.15 | Legality | Azar: yes |
| 22:57.23 | Guerin | Legality: though we only saw 3 lines |
| 22:57.23 | Azar | uh? |
| 22:57.30 | rahul | !seen stoned |
| 22:57.30 | dpkg | stoned is currently on #debian, last said: 'hi'. |
| 22:57.31 | Jerom817 | Saw stoned Joining #debian on Fri Jun 8 18:32:22 2007 |
| 22:57.32 | sobersabre | I've tried to use resize_reiserfs with: |
| 22:57.35 | sobersabre | resize_reiserfs -s 69786M /dev/hdb2 |
| 22:57.40 | rahul | ahem |
| 22:57.40 | Legality | Guerin: there were only 3 lines? |
| 22:57.41 | sobersabre | and it gives me error. |
| 22:57.43 | Guerin | !seen Jerom817 |
| 22:57.43 | dpkg | jerom817 is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 12s, last said: 'Saw stoned Joining #debian on Fri Jun 8 18:32:22 2007'. |
| 22:57.43 | Jerom817 | Saw Jerom817 On #debian as of Fri Jun 8 00:04:35 2007 |
| 22:57.48 | Wyzard | sobersabre: Well, what's the error? |
| 22:57.49 | Azar | rahul: I'm telling you he left, is Saturday... |
| 22:57.57 | rahul | left where? |
| 22:57.58 | valdyn | sobersabre: so what, what's the error? |
| 22:57.59 | Guerin | Jerom817: whoever owns you needs to turn you off public addressing |
| 22:58.04 | rahul | he doesn't go anywhere |
| 22:58.06 | Legality | Guerin: should there be more? |
| 22:58.10 | Azar | rahul: where people go Saturday nights |
| 22:58.12 | Guerin | Legality: i don't know |
| 22:58.15 | rahul | Azar: he doesn't |
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| 22:58.20 | rahul | it's not saturday night yet |
| 22:58.22 | Guerin | Azar: they call it `the pub' |
| 22:58.30 | Alarm | does deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free exist ? or there is no testing repo for the security updates ? |
| 22:58.32 | Azar | what Guerin said |
| 22:58.52 | Wyzard | Alarm: Correct, there is no security support for testing (nor for unstable) |
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| 22:59.08 | Guerin | I didn't go to the pub last nigth |
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| 22:59.15 | rahul | I went to 4 |
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| 22:59.25 | Wyzard | Alarm: They get security fixes when new versions of packages go into unstable and eventually propagate to testing |
| 22:59.27 | Guerin | stayed in and watched the mighty All Blacks put nine tries to one over France |
| 22:59.28 | Azar | rahul: I used to start partying on friday nights, go to a game on Saturday morning, to movies and a restaurant daytime, and pub on saturday night |
| 22:59.38 | rahul | Azar: stoned doesn't do that |
| 22:59.43 | rahul | he sits on irc :P |
| 22:59.53 | rahul | or maybe he's working at Macy's |
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| 22:59.56 | Guerin | rahul: is it true that he gave up the smokables? |
| 22:59.57 | Azar | rahul: maybe someone took him to show how the life is spent better |
| 23:00.04 | rahul | heh |
| 23:00.05 | Alarm | so all i will need will be deb-src http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian testing main contrib non-free restricted and the multimedia testing ? |
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| 23:00.09 | rahul | Guerin: maybe |
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| 23:00.15 | sobersabre | valdyn, error has 3 lines. do oyu think it's ok to paste in here ? |
| 23:00.18 | Alarm | i understood |
| 23:00.23 | valdyn | !paste |
| 23:00.23 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 23:00.28 | sobersabre | /dev/hdb2 is of 12914400 blocks size only with reiserfs of 12914400 blocks |
| 23:00.29 | sobersabre | size on it. You are trying to expand reiserfs up to 17864192 blocks size. |
| 23:00.29 | sobersabre | You probably forgot to expand your partition size. |
| 23:00.40 | sobersabre | it isn't MORE than 3 lines. :) |
| 23:00.40 | Guerin | verstupidness |
| 23:00.43 | Wyzard | sobersabre: You're trying to make the filesystem bigger than the partition it's on |
| 23:00.59 | sobersabre | Wyzard: it's a problem then. |
| 23:01.08 | sobersabre | I am using the syntax as written in the manual |
| 23:01.09 | Azar | rahul: you should go to a pub, have fun and let stoned look for you instead :) |
| 23:01.09 | valdyn | sobersabre: why need us to read that simple and self explanatory error? |
| 23:01.14 | rahul | heh |
| 23:01.16 | Wyzard | sobersabre: yes, but it doesn't mean resize_reiserfs doesn't work, it just means you told it to do something impossible |
| 23:01.31 | rahul | Azar: I will, but I want to invite him to a bbq tomorrow and a metal show wed |
| 23:01.34 | sobersabre | Wyzard: I am working according to the manpage |
| 23:01.38 | sobersabre | and it doesn't work. |
| 23:01.41 | Azar | rahul: leave him a memo |
| 23:01.48 | Wyzard | sobersabre: Do you understand what the message is telling you? |
| 23:01.49 | rahul | he's logged in |
| 23:01.53 | sobersabre | YES |
| 23:02.08 | Azar | rahul: add it to the topic line, make azeem red |
| 23:02.10 | sobersabre | but I am not telling resize_reiserfs to exceed anything. |
| 23:02.14 | rahul | HEH |
| 23:02.17 | Wyzard | sobersabre: Yes you are |
| 23:02.20 | sobersabre | I have ~80GB disk |
| 23:02.22 | linnuxxy | yesterday I had a major filesystem corruption ... and now when I try to apt-get anything i got alot of this errors : dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `xfce4-appfinder' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed... how can i fix that? |
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| 23:02.25 | omri | Wyzard, have a look at this http://syslinux.zytor.com/memdisk.php |
| 23:02.28 | nzk | My filesystem corrupted |
| 23:02.31 | nzk | I can't boot |
| 23:02.35 | nzk | What do I do? |
| 23:02.36 | omri | Wyzard, seems it's possible to simulate a CDROM :) |
| 23:02.42 | valdyn | sobersabre: how is your disk size relevant here? |
| 23:02.43 | Wyzard | sobersabre: doesn't matter how big your disk is, it matters how big the *partition* is |
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| 23:02.50 | omri | (this one doesn't do that. it simulates a hard drive) |
| 23:02.53 | Wyzard | sobersabre: The filesystem can't be bigger than the partition which contains it |
| 23:03.00 | Azar | linnuxxy: not sure try "aptitude update" "aptitude upgrade" maybe works? |
| 23:03.06 | Wyzard | sobersabre: Resize the partition first, to make room for resize_reiserfs to expand the filesystem |
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| 23:03.17 | illo | nzk, curse. |
| 23:03.39 | nzk | I tried to boot into command line mode but fsck didn't work |
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| 23:03.50 | nzk | right now I'm gonna boot into Knoppix and try from there |
| 23:03.55 | sobersabre | Wyzard: ... I think I understand my error only now :( |
| 23:04.02 | illo | nzk boot off a cd ...yes exactly |
| 23:04.05 | Wyzard | omri: Bootable CDs can specify floppy or hard-drive emulation, and the BIOS presumably uses a similar trick in that case |
| 23:04.10 | daemon | hey all can anyone give me a hand trying to hack my wifi card to work this is the first time I have used debain and im incredibly lost |
| 23:04.20 | daemon | especially with the incredible lack of documentation |
| 23:04.21 | sobersabre | so, before I run resize_reiserfs, I must expand it with fdisk or similar. |
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| 23:04.43 | sobersabre | this is something I've missed! |
| 23:04.43 | valdyn | daemon: or your incredible lack of googling skills ;) |
| 23:04.47 | Azar | daemon: which Debian? 4.0? |
| 23:04.53 | sobersabre | Wyzard: am I right ? |
| 23:04.53 | omri | Wyzard, can you emulate a CDROM from the bootloader? If the ISO image is on a remote machine (using an NFS share, for example), would the emulation hooks still work? |
| 23:04.56 | kenboo | daemon, use ndiswrapper if you haven't tried. |
| 23:04.56 | Alarm | and a last question for tonight . does the debian-unofficial.org/debian testing exists or not ? |
| 23:05.00 | omri | still work as in after the ISO boots |
| 23:05.02 | MikePer | hello. one of you uses an LSI SATA RAID controller? A while back (sarge) I tried to install one but had problems. Is the support in etch better? |
| 23:05.04 | daemon | Azar, Linux debian 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:05.04 | daemon | '' |
| 23:05.09 | daemon | valdyn, no. |
| 23:05.46 | babilen | sobersabre: haven't read everything so i am not sure if this is relevant ....: have a look at gparted. it's a great toll for resizing partitions/filesystems of all kinds.. they have a boot cd.. |
| 23:05.49 | Guerin | MikePer: find out what version of linux supports it |
| 23:05.56 | daemon | kenboo, hmm what do I need to apt-get for ndiswrapper |
| 23:06.05 | Wyzard | omri: There are three ways a bootable CD can work: floppy emulation, hard-drive emulation, and no emulation |
| 23:06.29 | kenboo | daemon, apt-get install ndiswrapper-common diswrapper-source ndiswrapper-utils |
| 23:06.39 | MikePer | Guerin, there was support even in sarge but it wasnt very mature |
| 23:06.43 | omri | Wyzard, what do you mean? lost you there. Why a bootable CD needs a HD emulation? |
| 23:06.45 | daemon | kenboo, many thanks |
| 23:06.47 | Wyzard | omri: In the first two cases, the BIOS loads a file from the CD (1.44MB in the case of floppy emulation, bigger for hard-drive emulation) and uses that trick to make it appear as a real drive |
| 23:07.05 | Wyzard | omri: I dunno, I've never seen a bootable CD that actually uses hard-drive emulation |
| 23:07.05 | kenboo | daemon, and also module-assistant |
| 23:07.11 | Guerin | MikePer: well, etch's kernel is 10 minor versions newer, so I expect it would work more betterer |
| 23:07.26 | omri | so, bootable CDs are like a bootloader that loads the kernel that operates the CD itself? |
| 23:07.34 | Wyzard | omri: but I've made floppy-emulation bootable CDs for things like BIOS updates -- I don't have a floppy drive in this computer, so I just take the 1.44MB disk image and make a CD out of it |
| 23:07.40 | omri | even windows installation medias use this approach? |
| 23:07.42 | daemon | kenboo, ok dokey already got that bit |
| 23:08.06 | Wyzard | omri: The Windows install CDs, and I think the Debian install CD too, use the "no-emulation" option |
| 23:08.11 | MikePer | Guerin, thats what I hoped but experiences some had with it would be better than just hope :-) |
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| 23:08.12 | Guerin | omri: it's voodoo built on a dirty hack wrapped in some precarious workarounds |
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| 23:08.15 | kenboo | daemon, then run module-assistant |
| 23:08.16 | zampa | erm. |
| 23:08.28 | Wyzard | omri: in which the BIOS just loads a small amount of code, a few sectors, from the CD, and that code is responsible for everything else |
| 23:08.33 | omri | Wyzard, so the boot sector of the CD is the kernel itself? |
| 23:08.46 | Wyzard | omri: No, it's isolinux |
| 23:09.01 | omri | Wyzard, and on windows? |
| 23:09.05 | Wyzard | omri: which uses BIOS functions for accessing the CD and loading the kernel |
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| 23:09.21 | Wyzard | omri: In Windows it's whatever small bit of code loads the rest of the installer from the CD, again using BIOS functions to access the CD |
| 23:09.21 | Azar | daemon: if you google for "wifi on Debian Etch" you can find the specific for your wifi card, you know I have no idea of your hardware... |
| 23:09.40 | daemon | Azar, on google there are about 50 difrent forums all static diffrent problems wit hthe card |
| 23:09.43 | omri | Wyzard, what's an example for a floppy emulation? |
| 23:09.47 | daemon | not only this but there is more than one version of it |
| 23:09.49 | daemon | some will work |
| 23:09.50 | daemon | some wont |
| 23:09.56 | Azar | daemon: I don't know your card, but google can find it |
| 23:10.03 | Wyzard | omri: Example of what, how to create a floppy-emulation bootable CD, or how the floppy emulation works? |
| 23:10.04 | daemon | Azar, as it already has |
| 23:10.06 | kenboo | daemon, anyway what card is it? |
| 23:10.21 | omri | Wyzard, example of a CD that emulates a floppy disk to boot itself :) |
| 23:10.22 | daemon | kenboo, 3CRWE254G72 |
| 23:10.24 | daemon | version 2 |
| 23:10.24 | Azar | daemon: I can't find nothing for you on google as I dont know your PC |
| 23:10.30 | daemon | PCMCIA |
| 23:10.42 | Azar | all are pcmcia I guess |
| 23:10.45 | illo | daemon, backup your /lib/modules(whatever version) before trying and try all the howtos you find until one works- |
| 23:10.53 | sobersabre | babilen: thanks, running gparted. |
| 23:11.05 | Wyzard | omri: I don't know of any pre-made CDs which do that, but you can easily make one with genisoimage (aka mkisofs) |
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| 23:11.23 | Wyzard | omri: Floppy emulation is the default unless you specify -hard-disk-boot or -no-emul-boot |
| 23:11.27 | daemon | kenboo, module-assistant ran successfully |
| 23:11.40 | omri | isolinux is -no-emul-boot then? |
| 23:11.49 | Wyzard | omri: Actually, no, I do know of one: Seagate SeaTools, their bootable diagnostic software for hard drives |
| 23:11.57 | kenboo | daemon, then...do UPDATE, PREPARE, and then SELECT ndiswrapper |
| 23:12.11 | Wyzard | omri: It's available as either a bootable floppy image, or an .iso which is just the floppy image made into a floppy-emulation bootable CD |
| 23:12.29 | Wyzard | omri: I'm pretty sure isolinux uses the no-emulation approach, though not absolutely certain |
| 23:12.34 | omri | So if I understand correctly, if there was a CD emulation, you could emulate the ISO as the CD and boot it? |
| 23:12.38 | daemon | kenboo, selected |
| 23:12.41 | Azar | daemon: do you have madwifi? |
| 23:12.51 | daemon | Azar, yes it couldnt find the card |
| 23:12.57 | Azar | http://www.b7j0c.org/content/etchwifi.html |
| 23:13.05 | Wyzard | omri: Well, there's no need for "CD emulation" on a bootable CD because, well, it's already a CD |
| 23:13.12 | kenboo | daemon, i guess you can go INSTALL directly. |
| 23:13.24 | omri | yes, but what if you want to use a bootloader, such as grub, to boot an ISO image? |
| 23:13.28 | daemon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.30 | Wyzard | omri: but we know it's possible to simulate BIOS floppy and hard-drive devices by hooking interrupts; the BIOS does that when you boot a CD which uses emulation |
| 23:13.43 | daemon | kenboo, needed me to build it |
| 23:13.44 | illo | daemon and try rebooting the box- i had to with my wifi |
| 23:13.47 | Wyzard | omri: In principle it should be possible to simulate a BIOS CD-ROM device in the same way, by hooking interrupts |
| 23:13.48 | Lunar_Lamp | I've just upgraded my serve,r but it seems to be taking AGES to process "update-initramfs" - several minutes on a fast server. I think something has ogne wrong, but no idea how to check what. |
| 23:13.49 | omri | so you can hook the CDROM's interrupts to do that? |
| 23:13.51 | daemon | kenboo, built+installed |
| 23:13.59 | daemon | illo, really |
| 23:14.02 | daemon | arg |
| 23:14.03 | valdyn | Azar: his 3com card has an atheros chipset? |
| 23:14.06 | kenboo | daemon, ok. so ndiswrapper is ready. |
| 23:14.14 | omri | Wyzard, yes; that's what I had in mind when talking about the http://syslinux.zytor.com/memdisk.php |
| 23:14.14 | Wyzard | omri: You'd hook into whatever interrupts are used for accessing CD-ROM drives via the BIOS |
| 23:14.16 | Azar | valdyn: I try to make him tell me what is having... |
| 23:14.18 | illo | yep, a ndiswrapper for a broadcom card |
| 23:14.36 | omri | Wyzard, these interrupts stay hooked after the kernel boots? |
| 23:14.36 | Wyzard | omri: but I don't know whether they're the same as for accessing hard drives |
| 23:14.38 | Azar | daemon: you have to state all specs, names, versions of your wifi card |
| 23:14.43 | valdyn | Azar: he tried to, and gave a serial that looks like one for a usb wifi thingie |
| 23:14.57 | daemon | 3CRWE254G72, version 2 not 1 |
| 23:14.58 | kenboo | daemon, you need Windows driver for your card. do you have it? |
| 23:15.06 | daemon | kenboo, yep got it inserted into cd drive |
| 23:15.09 | daemon | ill mount the cd one sec |
| 23:15.12 | Wyzard | omri: No, the kernel has its own drivers that talk to hardware (such as an IDE controller), rather than using the BIOS interface |
| 23:15.29 | daemon | kenboo, ok dokey |
| 23:15.33 | omri | Wyzard, so that doesn't do any good. the kernel that boots has to know you were booting a direct ISO image |
| 23:15.40 | omri | that's just like the problem with unsupported CDROMs |
| 23:15.43 | Wyzard | omri: The hooked interrupts only work for code that uses the BIOS to access the CD, not code that talks to the IDE controller directly |
| 23:15.47 | kenboo | daemon, then....run ndiswrapper -i your_card.inf |
| 23:15.47 | omri | the kernel boots. but it fails to mount the cdrom |
| 23:15.56 | Wyzard | right |
| 23:16.12 | omri | thanks. things are much clearer now :) |
| 23:16.28 | omri | So I guess to boot an ISO image off a net boot you need to hack the ISO |
| 23:16.30 | daemon | kenboo, ok done |
| 23:16.35 | Wyzard | omri: Like I said, booting an .iso directly is non-trivial and nobody's bothered implementing it since CDs are cheap :-) |
| 23:16.36 | omri | (for windows installations, that is) |
| 23:16.36 | kenboo | daemon, try ndiswrapper -l |
| 23:16.48 | daemon | installed drivers: |
| 23:16.48 | daemon | 3c154g72 invalid driver! |
| 23:16.55 | kenboo | daemon, urgh... |
| 23:17.01 | omri | Wyzard, yes, but I'm talking about convenient :) |
| 23:17.04 | Wyzard | omri: Anyway, there are other ways to install an OS via netbooting |
| 23:17.26 | omri | My guess to install windows XP from netboot I could copy the base installation partition or similar |
| 23:17.39 | daemon | kenboo, prism54 has the card but shows a weird status on it |
| 23:17.43 | Wyzard | omri: For installing Windows, I think Microsoft actually provides a netboot image you can use |
| 23:17.43 | daemon | ill try rebooting |
| 23:17.47 | daemon | ssee if madwifi picks it up |
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| 23:17.51 | valdyn | daemon: that serial links only to a discontinued usb product, can you show us the real thing? |
| 23:17.59 | Wyzard | omri: which will run the installer and get the data from a file server |
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| 23:18.05 | illo | daemon if it says invalid driver... |
| 23:18.10 | Wyzard | omri: (You just copy the CD contents to a folder on a hard drive, and share the folder, I think) |
| 23:18.11 | omri | Wyzard, don't know if you installed windows recently, but first it copies files to the target partition, then it reboots and starts off it. |
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| 23:18.31 | daemon | oh yeah |
| 23:18.32 | daemon | forgot |
| 23:18.33 | omri | So, my idea is to copy the files right after the reboot and create a netboot image that will put them on the destination drive |
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| 23:18.35 | daemon | on this cd i have a few optiobns |
| 23:18.39 | daemon | not sure what they mean though |
| 23:18.43 | omri | With the boot sector of the partition, of course. |
| 23:18.48 | daemon | debian:/cdrom/Driver# ls |
| 23:18.48 | daemon | 3C154G7251.sys 3C154G72.INF CCU3C154.dll Driver.2K Driver.ME |
| 23:18.48 | daemon | 3C154G72.CAT 3C154G72.sys CCU3C154.EXE Driver.98 |
| 23:18.53 | omri | sounds doable? |
| 23:19.03 | daemon | im not sure what the 'driver.OS' files do |
| 23:19.12 | Wyzard | omri: I know... and if I understand correctly, Microsoft's netboot image does that same first step, formatting the drive and copying files from a fileserver, then rebooting to continue the installation |
| 23:19.12 | omri | oh, forgot another thing... after copying the files the OS looks for the CD |
| 23:19.26 | prism | hmm anyway let me reboot this laptop |
| 23:19.28 | daemon | reboot |
| 23:19.29 | omri | Wyzard, you need the CD contents as well. it copies files from it |
| 23:19.47 | Wyzard | omri: You put the CD contents in a shared folder somewhere on the network |
| 23:19.50 | omri | Wyzard, the files being copied before the first reboot aren't sufficient |
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| 23:20.00 | omri | Wyzard, I'm not sure the installation has SMB support |
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| 23:20.08 | rvalles | 0xb7e1624e in ?? () from /usr/lib/libcrypto++.so.6 |
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| 23:20.18 | Wyzard | omri: The netboot image does, presumably |
| 23:20.19 | rvalles | I'm getting an illegal instruction in libcrypto |
| 23:20.21 | omri | Wyzard, I can put it on the image I'm creating, on a special folder, and delete it right after the installation |
| 23:20.32 | omri | Wyzard, are you sure there's such netboot image? |
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| 23:20.34 | rvalles | (from amuled, amule-server) |
| 23:20.50 | omri | Wyzard, I think microsoft offer it with a windows 2003 server package only |
| 23:20.52 | prism | ok laptop erbooted |
| 23:20.57 | Wyzard | omri: I don't know the details since it's been a few years since I read about this, but Microsoft already officially supports network installation, and I'm pretty sure they provide a PXE image for exactly this purpose |
| 23:20.57 | prism | still no wifi showing up though :( |
| 23:21.03 | omri | Wyzard, I'd have to get the image from their TFTP server |
| 23:21.38 | Wyzard | omri: Anyway, go ask in a Windows channel about that, and/or see Microsoft's resources for system administrators |
| 23:21.38 | omri | Wyzard, they do. only they don't give it out for free. it comes with the win2k3 as a seperate service |
| 23:21.52 | Wyzard | omri: I read about it while setting up a Win2003 server a few years ago, but I'm pretty sure it supported installing XP and possibly 2000 too |
| 23:22.01 | omri | Wyzard, I think I'd try hacking their service, debug the DHCPd args and get the image myself |
| 23:22.05 | illo | prism, see i fthe card is working under win, see hardware list in win, see what driver it uses, locate .inf for that and try that one |
| 23:22.08 | Wyzard | omri: At any rate, we're off-topic right now |
| 23:22.21 | Guerin | ok, and from the `random a/v advice' department: can I take a non-shielded cable, wrap tinfoil and gaffer tape around it, and expect it to work as a shielded cable? |
| 23:22.40 | omri | Wyzard, yup. The main idea wasn't windows installation, though it's some of it. |
| 23:22.40 | Wyzard | omri: but once you get the netboot image you could probably use a Debian bootp/tftp server (rather than Win2003) to serve the boot image, and samba to serve the files |
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| 23:22.52 | omri | Wyzard, yes. that's my idea :) |
| 23:22.52 | prism | illo, it is working under win |
| 23:22.54 | CompWizrd | Guerin: off topic to that, but: friend of mine used speaker wire for 10base2, it worked decently, oddly enough. |
| 23:23.00 | Azar | from someone showing his stuff out: Linksys WMP54G and 3CRWE254G72 both on Slack-current, ndiswrapper1.16 wpa-supplicant0.4.9, wext-driver, WPA-PSK TKIP << nicknamed wireless g card on linux |
| 23:23.02 | omri | Wyzard, the netboot image is probably copyrighted though |
| 23:23.03 | karmatronic | prism, what card is it ? |
| 23:23.09 | CompWizrd | Guerin: you'd have to ground the "shield" for that idea |
| 23:23.11 | daemon | karmatronic, scroll up |
| 23:23.19 | omri | Wyzard, when you buy the system, you buy the rights to use the netboot image. |
| 23:23.21 | karmatronic | daemon, cant |
| 23:23.36 | omri | stupid non-free software :\ |
| 23:23.40 | prism | hmm |
| 23:23.41 | Wyzard | omri: I don't know what their distribution terms are for their netboot image |
| 23:23.53 | Azar | valdyn ^^^^ |
| 23:24.00 | Wyzard | omri: but it'd probably be more worthwhile to buy a basic Win2003 license than to try to engineer your own |
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| 23:24.08 | omri | Wyzard, if it comes with windows itself (and is not available to download over web), it's probably copyrighted |
| 23:24.11 | Guerin | CompWizrd: how would I go about that? |
| 23:24.17 | prism | karmatronic, 3CRWE154A72 |
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| 23:24.22 | Wyzard | omri: but check first -- they might make it freely-available, I dunno |
| 23:24.27 | omri | Wyzard, heh, I could get the 180 days version :] |
| 23:24.29 | illo | prism if it works it'll tell you what win driverit's using |
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| 23:24.44 | mmlj4 | isn't/wasn't there a way to convert $foo distribution to debian? |
| 23:24.49 | factor | in debian where are the iceape icons kept |
| 23:25.12 | omri | mmlj4, are you talking about installing debian from a working linux system? then you want debootstrap |
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| 23:25.38 | karmatronic | prism, it s supposed to work with madwifi driver |
| 23:26.05 | Wyzard | omri: hmm, according to http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb457062.aspx it requires Active Directory |
| 23:26.11 | mmlj4 | omri: i'm wanting to turn an outdated suse box into a debian box by running a few commands and sweating many bullets |
| 23:26.13 | Wyzard | omri: Once again, why not just burn CDs? |
| 23:26.25 | Wyzard | omri: (and once again, we're offtopic) |
| 23:26.26 | omri | Wyzard, for the sports of it :) |
| 23:26.34 | omri | ok ok. end of conversation :] |
| 23:26.44 | omri | !debootstrap |
| 23:26.44 | dpkg | i guess debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 23:26.55 | Azar | daemon: what is the NAME of your wifi card? "not number", NAME! atheros, broadcom, linksys? |
| 23:26.58 | prism | karmatronic, thats version 1 of this card, version 2 doesnt |
| 23:27.06 | Azar | daemon: NAME, not yes or no |
| 23:27.20 | prism | Azar, I gave it you twice, its a 3com 3CRWE154A72 |
| 23:27.26 | prism | 3c<model> |
| 23:27.29 | omri | mmlj4, that's not a simple procedure. |
| 23:27.31 | Azar | prism: NAME NOT SERIAL NBR |
| 23:27.37 | Wyzard | omri: You could netinstall Debian, and have it run a script that installs VMware too, and then installs Windows from an .iso in a new virtual machine :-) |
| 23:27.40 | omri | you need to know a thing or two about linux before you do that |
| 23:27.50 | prism | Azar, hmm 3com office connect Wireless 11a/b/g PC Card |
| 23:27.53 | omri | Wyzard, heh, had that in mind as well :) |
| 23:28.03 | mmlj4 | omri: understood |
| 23:28.07 | Azar | ok hold on |
| 23:28.24 | omri | you remind me of people that tell you to shut of because they want to sleep and start talking again ;) |
| 23:28.27 | omri | no offence mate :] |
| 23:28.37 | omri | s/of/up/ |
| 23:28.59 | omri | mmlj4, read the docs, consult people around here if you get into trouble, and remember to back everything up :) |
| 23:29.37 | mmlj4 | omri: hey, if everything goes wrong, i can always do a clean install and restore my crap from backups :-) |
| 23:29.46 | mmlj4 | but you think debootstrap is the tool to use? |
| 23:29.51 | omri | mmlj4, why don't you do a clean install of debian then? |
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| 23:30.45 | nzk | Argh |
| 23:30.49 | prism | stramge |
| 23:30.52 | nzk | Why does Debian have so many problems |
| 23:30.53 | prism | when i tell it to add that inf |
| 23:30.56 | prism | that inf depends on a exe |
| 23:30.58 | nzk | After a few days my file system turns read only |
| 23:31.00 | prism | could this be the problem |
| 23:31.06 | nzk | and it just unrecoverably corrupted |
| 23:31.12 | nzk | so I had to reinstall and lose all my data |
| 23:31.13 | nzk | >:( |
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| 23:31.42 | nzk | Is it possible to make a "backup" partition where the /var partition is backed up to? |
| 23:32.22 | mmlj4 | omri: because I think it's easier (not smarter, for sure) to upgrade/convert the box in-place |
| 23:32.23 | Azar | prism: read this dialog: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4609146E.4040201%40de-schorsch.de&forum_name=ndiswrapper-general |
| 23:32.35 | CompWizrd | nzk: i'd start by verifiying your hardware is good, memory in particular |
| 23:32.46 | omri | mmlj4, install debian from a CD. do yourself a favor :) |
| 23:32.54 | mmlj4 | heh, you're probably right |
| 23:33.20 | mmlj4 | i mean, i know you're right, i'm just trying to make a fool out of myself |
| 23:33.54 | omri | there's of course the option that you heard about something else, which is not debootstrap, which I haven't heard about |
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| 23:34.19 | mmlj4 | i've emailed $friend who said he converted an old redhat to debian, some years ago |
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| 23:34.42 | Azar | prism: if all comes down to getting the firmware see if the wifi card maker supports linux |
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| 23:36.31 | Azar | nzk: is not Debian having problems, new users having problems because they don't read the documentation: computing in linux Debian is TOTALLY different than doing it on windows. Be ready to learn something totally new. |
| 23:36.34 | daemon | Azar, ah this card is 16bit |
| 23:36.51 | Azar | daemon: man is hard.. is that a usb card? |
| 23:36.59 | daemon | Azar, pcmcia |
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| 23:37.30 | Azar | daemon: I googled for you unfortunately, I have not found ONE comment by someone who might use it. |
| 23:37.46 | Azar | daemon: what is the NAME of the card? |
| 23:37.52 | itchi | Hi, if my output is "addr:192.168.0.3", with which tool can i get the part 192.168.0.3 ? |
| 23:38.15 | daemon | Azar, let me get the box for it |
| 23:38.15 | Azar | ok |
| 23:38.15 | Wyzard | nzk: That sounds like a hardware problem |
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| 23:38.17 | daemon | 3com: OfficeConnect Wireless 11g PC Card |
| 23:38.46 | Wyzard | nzk: Linux doesn't randomly corrupt filesystems, but bad sectors or defective RAM can |
| 23:38.47 | daemon | Azar, ^ |
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| 23:39.06 | Azar | daemon: then same issue like with prism: might be a firmware issue: call the manufacturer, ask if they support linux, or try finding how you could install the firmware |
| 23:39.31 | daemon | Azar, so there is no way this card will work |
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| 23:39.42 | massctrl | hi, when enabling DMA on my ide disks mdadm isn't able to see the raid configuration,... Is this a known issue? The raid config is extremely slow, this is caused by dma turned off, .... anyone an idea |
| 23:39.53 | apo_ | itchi: Try egrep -o "[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+" |
| 23:40.02 | prahal | continuing on my thread issues ... is there a way to stop a thread. Setting a breakpoint does not work at stopping the main thread when the breakpoint is in a child (or so it seemed) |
| 23:40.04 | daemon | Azar, btw i am prism, prism is my desktop, daemon is my laptop |
| 23:40.18 | Azar | is called wireless g card type |
| 23:40.26 | Azar | dang |
| 23:40.34 | prism | :) |
| 23:40.45 | Azar | so did you read the dialog on that link? |
| 23:40.51 | prism | still reading it |
| 23:40.54 | prism | tried a few commands on it |
| 23:40.56 | itchi | apo_: Thanks, that work, i gona read the egrep stuff :-) |
| 23:41.00 | Azar | ok |
| 23:41.00 | apo_ | :) |
| 23:41.04 | apo_ | You're welcome |
| 23:41.12 | apo_ | Regex rock |
| 23:41.20 | Alarm | can i do a 'partial' dist-upgrade ? |
| 23:41.31 | itchi | I'm tunning my zsh, that's fun :-p |
| 23:41.34 | Azar | hehe no |
| 23:41.36 | Alarm | i mean to install just a few packages now , and the rest some other time ? |
| 23:41.38 | daemon | Azar, how do I install firmware onto the card |
| 23:41.51 | Azar | Alarm: /msg dpkg backports |
| 23:42.03 | Azar | daemon: no idea my friend, never used wifi.. |
| 23:42.20 | nzk | Wyzard, my money would be on defective ram |
| 23:42.32 | daemon | I think im just going to throw this card under the treads of a HGV ok it wont make it work but it will sure feel nice |
| 23:42.33 | Wyzard | nzk: run memtest, then |
| 23:42.33 | nzk | This horribly old computer is not worth buying new ram for |
| 23:42.34 | apo_ | Kinda boring. |
| 23:42.45 | nzk | Azar, I've been using Linux for over a year |
| 23:42.50 | nzk | Exclusively |
| 23:42.54 | Wyzard | apo_: Keep in mind that draining a lithim-ion battery all the way down is bad for it |
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| 23:43.27 | apo_ | I won't |
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| 23:43.33 | apo_ | Don't worry. |
| 23:43.44 | apo_ | I think I'll stop somewhere around 20% |
| 23:43.59 | Wyzard | good :-) |
| 23:44.47 | apo_ | 40% is the threshold where the battery starts charging and at 70% it stops again, by the way |
| 23:44.50 | apo_ | tp_smapi is nice :) |
| 23:45.09 | Wyzard | I haven't used that, though I do have a Thinkpad |
| 23:45.51 | apo_ | Why not? |
| 23:46.10 | apo_ | Too lazy? ;) |
| 23:46.24 | Wyzard | don't know exactly what it's for or what benefit it brings |
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| 23:46.36 | Guerin | apo_: anything required other than installing it? |
| 23:46.38 | Wyzard | haven't gotten around to reading about it |
| 23:46.48 | Guerin | i'm about to launch a battery-life crusade on my T42 |
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| 23:47.00 | Guerin | built an undervolt kernel and all |
| 23:47.05 | zeeeee | how do i find out what's the conflict in some package? (when i see "iBA" next to a package when doing aptitude search) |
| 23:47.11 | apo_ | Wyzard: The main feature right now is just the battery stuff |
| 23:47.14 | Wyzard | Guerin: Have you tried out powertop yet? |
| 23:47.24 | Guerin | Wyzard: nope. |
| 23:47.27 | apo_ | Guerin: You have to echo some values to files somewhere in /sys ;) |
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| 23:47.44 | Wyzard | Guerin: http://www.linuxpowertop.org/ |
| 23:47.50 | Guerin | apo_: yes, I have the values, but I need to test them |
| 23:48.10 | apo_ | Mhh |
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| 23:48.24 | Guerin | Wyzard: ah, cool |
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| 23:48.28 | apo_ | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi < Instructions on how to install tp_smapi, if you need them :) |
| 23:48.53 | Guerin | zeeeee: try installing it |
| 23:48.57 | apo_ | Also information about the usage |
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| 23:49.50 | zeeeee | Guerin, i did, i just see '0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.' |
| 23:50.04 | zeeeee | (that's why there's an 'i') |
| 23:50.22 | Guerin | zeeeee: aptitude -f install; should tell you how to fix any problems |
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| 23:50.44 | zeeeee | Guerin, still see same thing |
| 23:50.48 | Guerin | by `contlict' i guess you mean a conflict in apt/dpkg |
| 23:50.58 | Guerin | if -f install runs clean, you have no conflicts |
| 23:51.04 | zeeeee | Guerin, no, dpkg says ii |
| 23:51.20 | arooni | how do i add add a path which contains executablers that i want to be able to access from any directory ( i think it has something to do with $PATH) |
| 23:51.24 | Guerin | ok, so what do you mean by `conflict' |
| 23:51.25 | Guerin | ? |
| 23:51.48 | Guerin | arooni: export PATH=/foo:$PATH |
| 23:52.00 | Guerin | arooni: just make damn sure not to include `.' in PATH |
| 23:52.03 | zeeeee | Guerin, according to the manual |
| 23:52.09 | zeeeee | let me find it for you |
| 23:52.18 | Guerin | zeeeee: you're being vague anmd I can't be bothered |
| 23:52.22 | arooni | Guerin: currently i have: echo export PATH=$PATH:/var/lib/gems/1.8/bin |
| 23:52.26 | arooni | but that isnt working :9 |
| 23:52.40 | zeeeee | ... geez...did i say something wrong |
| 23:53.12 | zeeeee | isn't that what the "B" stands for? |
| 23:53.17 | zeeeee | in iBA |
| 23:53.24 | Guerin | arooni: that will work, but it reads PATH in order, so if you want that dir selected in preference to /usr/bin, you speciify it first |
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| 23:54.06 | Guerin | zeeeee: you're just being so vague I have no idea what sort of `conflict' you're on about. If -f install runs clean, there are no conflicts in apt. That's how it is. So what sort of conflict DO you have? |
| 23:55.34 | zeeeee | Guerin, sorry, the correct term was "broken" |
| 23:55.34 | zeeeee | "the package is “broken”: some of its dependencies will not be satisfied. aptitude will not allow you to install, remove, or upgrade anything while you have broken packages." |
| 23:55.34 | zeeeee | http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s02s02.html |
| 23:55.42 | Guerin | zeeeee: yes. -f install also fixes broken packages. |
| 23:55.54 | Guerin | the -f stands for `fix', not `force' |
| 23:56.07 | zeeeee | Guerin, for some reason that doesn't do anything for me |
| 23:56.27 | Guerin | zeeeee: then I'd say the package isn't actually broken. Do you have any other indication that it's broken? |
| 23:56.39 | zeeeee | Guerin, just that 'broken' flag |
| 23:56.41 | zeeeee | iBA |
| 23:56.54 | Guerin | zeeeee: what happens when you purge the package and reinstall? |
| 23:57.08 | zeeeee | trying.. |
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| 23:59.31 | zeeeee | Guerin, nothing seems to go wrong but i still see the B flag (this time it's just iB) |
