| 00:00.40 | giorgian | Talaturen: libgl1-mesa-glx ? |
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| 00:01.27 | Talaturen | installed it, still error |
| 00:01.28 | Talaturen | c-e2f472d5:/home/talaturen/Desktop/Tibia# ./Tibia |
| 00:01.28 | Talaturen | ./Tibia: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 00:01.48 | Kornholijo | tnx |
| 00:02.00 | giorgian | (anyway, do you have a /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 ?) |
| 00:02.07 | Talaturen | giorgian, w8 i lok |
| 00:03.09 | Talaturen | yes and on it icon have box with arrow look to <^ |
| 00:03.17 | Talaturen | it mean Tibia cannot open it?? |
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| 00:04.05 | giorgian | Talaturen: don't know... maybe you should run "ldconfig" as root? |
| 00:04.33 | Talaturen | how run ldconfig as root?? i am new this debiann |
| 00:04.48 | ww9736 | there is a way to load the iso from the hard disk? |
| 00:05.07 | streuner | ww9736: yes, read ig :-) |
| 00:05.20 | giorgian | ww9736: mount iso /somewhere -o loop? |
| 00:05.56 | Talaturen | giorgian, you mean i run Tibia as root?? its what i am doing.... |
| 00:06.01 | ww9736 | load the instaler from a iso contained in a partition different than the target for debian |
| 00:06.25 | streuner | ww9736: why not reading ig? |
| 00:06.28 | zinx | Talaturen: are you using debian-amd64? |
| 00:06.36 | Talaturen | zinx, yes |
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| 00:06.47 | zinx | Talaturen: that's why. you don't have 32-bit libGL :/ |
| 00:07.11 | Talaturen | zinx, but it worked before i reinstalled debian |
| 00:07.20 | zinx | Talaturen: you probably had 32-bit libGL then :D |
| 00:07.27 | ww9736 | ig? |
| 00:07.30 | Talaturen | where do i choose that? |
| 00:07.33 | ww9736 | what's ig? |
| 00:07.37 | Talaturen | installed using same cd.. |
| 00:07.39 | zinx | Talaturen: depends on your video drivers |
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| 00:07.48 | zinx | Talaturen: and various packages |
| 00:08.03 | Talaturen | how can i get 32-bit libGL?? |
| 00:08.32 | zinx | Talaturen: as i said, it depends on your video drivers.. |
| 00:08.41 | zinx | Talaturen: for standard X.org stuff, ia32-libs |
| 00:08.41 | Kornholijo | tnx video drivers |
| 00:08.49 | Talaturen | but i have not changed video drivers since reinstall... |
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| 00:09.23 | Talaturen | tnx!!! |
| 00:09.32 | Talaturen | tnx zinx i download ia32-libs and work!! |
| 00:09.39 | Kornholijo | :D |
| 00:10.08 | Talaturen | but only 10-12 fps in the game =// |
| 00:10.41 | Talaturen | when i run windows and this game i had 1000+ fps at loginscreen, now debian 10-12 fps =/ |
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| 00:12.51 | zinx | Talaturen: because your video drivers aren't accelerated :/ |
| 00:13.07 | Talaturen | how can i accelerate them? |
| 00:13.21 | abrotman | push on the gas pedal |
| 00:13.24 | Talaturen | :( |
| 00:13.32 | ericjames | hey im having an issue with my network connection |
| 00:13.38 | abrotman | you got here just fine! |
| 00:13.39 | ww9736 | !IG |
| 00:13.39 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 00:13.56 | ww9736 | but.... |
| 00:14.01 | ericjames | the drivers for my network card are installed |
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| 00:14.13 | ww9736 | ig doesn't give me any info for install debian from an iso :S |
| 00:14.15 | ericjames | my cable provider picks up a mac address |
| 00:14.53 | ericjames | however eth0 doesnt pick up an ip address |
| 00:14.59 | Talaturen | abrotman, my video drivers have no gas pedal?!??!?! |
| 00:15.04 | lepton | ericjames: do you need to "clone" the MAC ? |
| 00:15.30 | ericjames | Im not sure what you mean? |
| 00:16.23 | Talaturen | abrotman, plz dont ignore me say where i can find gas pedal to my video driver tnx |
| 00:16.23 | abrotman | ericjames: try turning off the cable modem also |
| 00:16.45 | HostilePenguin | talaturen what video card ? |
| 00:16.45 | ericjames | I have checked the mac address with "ifconfig" and the cable provider is picking up the same address when i connect the modem |
| 00:16.49 | abrotman | Talaturen: i believe if you scroll up .. you were told |
| 00:16.59 | Talaturen | HostilePenguin, ATI Radeon 9500 |
| 00:17.14 | HostilePenguin | fglrx done |
| 00:17.20 | abrotman | he doesn't need that |
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| 00:17.29 | abrotman | the radeon/ati driver should work just fine |
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| 00:17.37 | ericjames | I have to turn off the modem to clear the address of the computer I am using now, then restart the linux machine to establish the connection |
| 00:17.38 | abrotman | and not only that . the fglrx might not actually work at all |
| 00:17.44 | zinx | abrotman: the open source driver does 3d accel for the 9500 now? |
| 00:17.49 | macogw | how many of the debian cds do you need in order to install? |
| 00:17.53 | HostilePenguin | for waht games? |
| 00:17.53 | abrotman | zinx: in etch it does |
| 00:17.59 | ericjames | however I still cant pick up an IP |
| 00:18.00 | zinx | abrotman: nice |
| 00:18.03 | Talaturen | HostilePenguin, before i reinstall debian i tried that and when it say i configure xorg.conf i do something wrong and debian stop work in desktop mode so i had to resintall =/ |
| 00:18.03 | abrotman | !d-i macogw |
| 00:18.04 | dpkg | macogw, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:18.17 | HostilePenguin | wow |
| 00:18.20 | Kornholijo | !d-i tibia |
| 00:18.20 | dpkg | tibia, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:18.32 | Kornholijo | ok tnx |
| 00:18.48 | Talaturen | Kornholijo, you can help me mine problem low fps in tibia? |
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| 00:18.58 | abrotman | Talaturen: i just freaking told you |
| 00:19.00 | abrotman | pay attention |
| 00:19.11 | Talaturen | abrotman, you tell me push gas pedal.. |
| 00:19.20 | Talaturen | or you tell me it already works fine |
| 00:19.24 | Talaturen | but it dont.. 10-12 fps its nothing.. |
| 00:19.32 | macogw | abrotman: er....that doesn't help. i've already looked there, and tried the net-install but it can't seem to find the internet to finish downloading packages. the "full cd sets" are 21 disks, and it can't possibly take THAT MANY cds to install |
| 00:19.47 | Talaturen | macogw, you can use netinst |
| 00:19.55 | macogw | Talaturen: i just said that doesnt work |
| 00:20.00 | Kornholijo | yes it does :o |
| 00:20.03 | bzed | macogw: fix your network |
| 00:20.20 | bzed | macogw: or check the release notes for workaround if you have a broken network ;) |
| 00:20.26 | macogw | bzed: its not really a network..it's a cable modem and a rj-45. no router to configure or anything |
| 00:20.26 | Talaturen | macogw, then use dvd's |
| 00:20.49 | abrotman | machika: then just get the first |
| 00:21.13 | macogw | if i plug my desktop into the modem, it works fine (that's how i'm online right now), but plugging in the laptop gets nothing |
| 00:21.20 | bzed | macogw: that should work fine. probably read about the tcp window scaling issue, prob ably your router is affected. it's in the release notes |
| 00:21.28 | macogw | i dont have a router |
| 00:21.33 | ww9736 | hey if I take a photo from the error when i try toinstall it will be help to solve the problem? |
| 00:21.35 | Talaturen | abrotman, you have not told me solution.. you have told me push gas pedal and you have tell me it already work fine but i only get 10-12 fps and it not fine.. in windows with this game i get much more .. |
| 00:21.52 | Kornholijo | i get 1300fps on win on tibia :o |
| 00:21.53 | abrotman | scroll up and read |
| 00:22.12 | Kornholijo | "PUSH GAS PEDAL OK!! IF NO RUN GO BUY GAS IN STATOIL OK TNX BYE!!!" |
| 00:22.21 | nevyn | so life sucks |
| 00:22.26 | Talaturen | <abrotman> the radeon/ati driver should work just |||| <abrotman> push on the gas pedal |
| 00:22.31 | Talaturen | abrotman, what else? |
| 00:22.31 | Ronin | nevyn: yes it does, so? :) |
| 00:22.58 | nevyn | it the weekend.. I have a new convertible and I'm working. and to top it off it's beautiful sunny day. |
| 00:24.03 | macogw | i think my laptop has decided to hate linux |
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| 00:24.08 | Kornholijo | abrotman: WHERE GAS PEDAl?? |
| 00:24.21 | ericjames | I have not installed any firewalls, I am working with a fresh install of debian netinst, but something seems to be blocking the connection. |
| 00:24.23 | Talaturen | Kornholijo, need skroll upp!!!! |
| 00:24.27 | Kornholijo | oks w8 |
| 00:24.34 | Kornholijo | hio where is he!!! |
| 00:24.38 | Kornholijo | u say press gas pedal!! |
| 00:24.40 | Kornholijo | !!!! |
| 00:24.41 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 00:24.43 | Talaturen | dont know abrotman say skroll upp =// |
| 00:24.48 | Kornholijo | =/// |
| 00:24.52 | Kornholijo | need fix fps DEBY |
| 00:25.01 | macogw | x broke on fedora, fresh install of newest ubuntu segfaults the installer, and i'm guessin sky2's suckocity makes netinstalls not happen |
| 00:25.32 | Kornholijo | =o |
| 00:25.33 | Kornholijo | bad luck |
| 00:25.35 | Ronin | fix x on fedora, find and fix the segfaults or install debian and fix should something break macogw |
| 00:26.03 | ericjames | I have tried /etc/init.d/networking restart and this removed the eth0 option from network devices in Network tools, where before choosing the eth0 option listed no IP |
| 00:27.25 | abrotman | Ronin: am i drunk? |
| 00:27.46 | macogw | Ronin: ah, but i cant install debian unless it can find the internet *or* i can get something that tells me "the first 3 cds" or "the first 2 cds" or however many are necessary and teh rest are extra junk....like with fedora there's 6 disks, but the first 3 are actually needed and the other two are extra programs |
| 00:27.47 | Talaturen | abrotman, yes u are.. u tell me skroll up.. i do i find nothing but press gas pedal.. |
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| 00:28.30 | Kornholijo | big drunk |
| 00:28.49 | Talaturen | Kornholijo, you have same problem me??? |
| 00:28.55 | abrotman | Kornholijo: please stop being an ass |
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| 00:29.14 | Kornholijo | abrotman: please tell where GAS PEDAl!!! |
| 00:29.18 | Talaturen | plz help solve mine problem i love this game and i love debian i dont want use windows :(( |
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| 00:29.22 | abrotman | Kornholijo: STOP |
| 00:29.27 | ericjames | anybody have an idea what may be blocking the network connection? |
| 00:29.31 | Kornholijo | abrotman: TEL GAS PEDAL |
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| 00:29.58 | abrotman | Kornholijo: it's not funny .. go troll elsewhere |
| 00:29.58 | Kornholijo | abrotman: ok yuo mathar byg fet!!!! |
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| 00:30.21 | Talaturen | Kornholijo, stop spam channel this, help mine error have low fps in game Tibia... what need i do?? |
| 00:30.39 | Kornholijo | find gas pedal ._. |
| 00:30.42 | Talaturen | no.. serius |
| 00:30.45 | Talaturen | plz |
| 00:30.52 | abrotman | Talaturen: paste your X log somewhere |
| 00:30.57 | Kornholijo | here ok |
| 00:31.14 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 00:31.15 | Kornholijo | Talaturen: wine or native? |
| 00:31.19 | HostilePenguin | #flood |
| 00:31.23 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:31.24 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:31.52 | Talaturen | Kornholijo, not emulator.. is linux client |
| 00:32.02 | Talaturen | abrotman, what X log? the error? |
| 00:32.04 | Kornholijo | lols got drivers? |
| 00:32.06 | abrotman | Talaturen: please ignore Kornholijo |
| 00:32.10 | Kornholijo | go ati.com |
| 00:32.13 | abrotman | Talaturen: in /var/log/ |
| 00:32.16 | abrotman | Kornholijo: SHUT UP |
| 00:32.29 | Kornholijo | abrotman: BIG U MATHER FINd!!1! |
| 00:32.30 | Kornholijo | abrotman: SHATAP U FAGOT, I NO U HAKS |
| 00:32.32 | abrotman | !ops Kornholijo |
| 00:32.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: Kornholijo |
| 00:32.55 | Kornholijo | !ops abrotman |
| 00:32.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: kornholijo complains about: abrotman |
| 00:33.00 | Talaturen | Xorg.0.log? |
| 00:33.03 | Kornholijo | yes |
| 00:33.07 | abrotman | Talaturen: yes .. |
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| 00:34.14 | multi_io | I have a directory structure for a DVD here (VIDEO_TS/*VOB etc.) and I want to burn them as a DVD. When using growisofs, all file names end up in lower case on the DVD, which prevents xine from recognizing it as a DVD and playing it back. how can I preserve the upper case filenames? |
| 00:34.31 | Talaturen | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/510687 |
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| 00:35.18 | abrotman | Talaturen: that's not a 9500 |
| 00:35.24 | Talaturen | what is? |
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| 00:36.07 | Kornholijo | the radion ,_, |
| 00:36.07 | abrotman | Talaturen: /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 00:37.34 | HostilePenguin | 256 m of ram isnt a 9500 |
| 00:37.54 | Talaturen | my friend said to me was 9500, where can check what it is?? |
| 00:37.59 | abrotman | it's an X1600 |
| 00:38.06 | HostilePenguin | prob 9800xt |
| 00:38.12 | HostilePenguin | my bad |
| 00:38.17 | abrotman | ATI Technologies Inc RV530 [Radeon X1600] |
| 00:38.27 | Talaturen | then my friend lyed to me =/ |
| 00:38.34 | HostilePenguin | good for you man |
| 00:38.43 | HostilePenguin | you got a way better card |
| 00:39.11 | HostilePenguin | fglrx will set you off great |
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| 00:39.14 | Talaturen | abrotman, i msg that to dpkg and he tell me what to do, i do it and returns: E: Couldn't find package fglrx-driver |
| 00:39.16 | infester | Talaturen: aren't you the guy developing ots? |
| 00:39.23 | Talaturen | infester, yes |
| 00:39.25 | abrotman | Talaturen: did you read the whole thing ? |
| 00:39.26 | Kornholijo | lol yes we are |
| 00:39.33 | infester | ;D cool |
| 00:39.37 | Kornholijo | :P |
| 00:39.45 | Talaturen | infester, i am trying to get it working under linux but i have problems testing it due to tibia client.. |
| 00:39.52 | Kornholijo | abrotman: u fat? |
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| 00:40.03 | Kornholijo | abrotman: BIG DRUNk!! EROR |
| 00:40.17 | infester | Talaturen: made an ip changer for linux? |
| 00:40.21 | abrotman | Kornholijo: if you can't be constructive and help .. just shut your mouth |
| 00:40.28 | Kornholijo | ._. |
| 00:40.35 | Talaturen | infester, there's already one opensource |
| 00:40.38 | Kornholijo | my mouth closed irl :o |
| 00:40.49 | infester | k, so whats your problem? |
| 00:41.00 | infester | hardware acceleration for graphics? |
| 00:41.05 | Talaturen | infester, i am missing fglrx driver |
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| 00:41.09 | Kornholijo | abrotman: HOW CLOSE A CLOSED MOUTH?! |
| 00:41.20 | infester | Kornholijo: surrender. |
| 00:41.24 | abrotman | Talaturen: you need the contrib and non-free sources |
| 00:42.50 | infester | Talaturen: what's your hardware specifications? |
| 00:43.08 | abrotman | infester: scroll up a bit .. X1600 .. amd64 .. he needs the fglrx drivers apparently |
| 00:43.21 | Kornholijo | abrotman: STOP THREATENING THRU DPKG TNX BYE. ._. |
| 00:43.24 | Talaturen | infester: http://pastebin.ca/510687 |
| 00:43.40 | infester | oh, sry |
| 00:43.58 | abrotman | Talaturen: by the way .. you're currently using the vesa driver .. which would explain your horrible FPS |
| 00:44.16 | Talaturen | abrotman, that you say 'currently' means i can change it? how? |
| 00:44.22 | Kornholijo | download new ones? |
| 00:44.34 | Talaturen | where.. i am new to linux... |
| 00:44.34 | abrotman | Talaturen: first do the fglrx one-liner part |
| 00:44.37 | Talaturen | ok |
| 00:45.19 | abrotman | then we'll worry about the other part |
| 00:45.19 | Kornholijo | Talaturen: http://ati.de/support/driver.html |
| 00:45.19 | abrotman | stop |
| 00:45.27 | abrotman | Talaturen: do not use that URL |
| 00:45.31 | Kornholijo | Talaturen: http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux64/linux64-radeon.html |
| 00:45.43 | abrotman | Talaturen: and don't use that one either |
| 00:45.46 | Kornholijo | abrotman: noob stuf tnxbyeleave? |
| 00:46.04 | Kornholijo | like hes gonna listen to you ._. |
| 00:46.15 | bzed | Kornholijo: the only noob in here is you. |
| 00:46.22 | abrotman | bzed: no .. he's a troll |
| 00:46.33 | HostilePenguin | im kinda newbie |
| 00:46.37 | Kornholijo | troll..? |
| 00:46.45 | bzed | abrotman: more.. both ;) |
| 00:46.55 | Kornholijo | bzed: stfu tnx bye n00b tnx |
| 00:46.57 | infester | abrotman: hook me up, whats his problem? never had any issues with radeon drivers before... |
| 00:47.06 | abrotman | infester: he's using the vesa driver :) |
| 00:47.17 | Kornholijo | vesa suck ._. |
| 00:47.27 | infester | as in the kernel image he got from apt-get uses the vesa driver? |
| 00:47.30 | bzed | Kornholijo: learn to speak english please. |
| 00:47.37 | abrotman | infester: no .. he's using the X vesa driver |
| 00:47.47 | infester | ahh, i see |
| 00:47.58 | abrotman | bzed: it's intentional |
| 00:48.00 | Kornholijo | bzed: You learn? |
| 00:48.08 | infester | so its a configuration issue then |
| 00:48.10 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:48.11 | Kornholijo | bzed: I fucking know how to speak english :o |
| 00:48.16 | abrotman | bzed: see |
| 00:48.23 | Kornholijo | abrotman: see |
| 00:48.25 | HostilePenguin | this is stupid |
| 00:48.33 | abrotman | Talaturen: any luck yet? |
| 00:48.44 | Kornholijo | im helping him u_u |
| 00:48.49 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 00:49.02 | Talaturen | abrotman, im trying to understand how that non-free thing work |
| 00:49.20 | abrotman | Talaturen: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and put non-free at the end of your source lines |
| 00:49.30 | abrotman | put 'non-free' .. no quotes though |
| 00:49.40 | Kornholijo | He's not that stupid..? |
| 00:49.41 | infester | dont forget to aptitude update |
| 00:49.44 | purplepenguins | whee apache |
| 00:49.58 | Kornholijo | purplepenguins: lighttpd ftw ;< |
| 00:50.34 | Talaturen | E: Type 'non-free' is not known on line 12 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:50.40 | purplepenguins | I considered using lighttpd, but the configuration is unfamiliar and I can't see many advantages |
| 00:50.49 | abrotman | Talaturen: paste your sources at pastebin |
| 00:50.55 | Kornholijo | purplepenguins: faster :D |
| 00:51.10 | purplepenguins | considering I'm the only one who uses it on this computer |
| 00:51.18 | Kornholijo | oh then =p |
| 00:51.24 | Kornholijo | tought apache supports more stuff |
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| 00:51.52 | Talaturen | abrotman, nvm i found out what i did wrong |
| 00:51.54 | purplepenguins | I use it to remotely control things |
| 00:52.00 | abrotman | Talaturen: okay ... |
| 00:52.03 | purplepenguins | that I don't want other people to have access to |
| 00:52.09 | Kornholijo | ah |
| 00:52.30 | Kornholijo | abrotman: http://wowomg.com |
| 00:52.31 | Kornholijo | :o |
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| 00:53.26 | Kornholijo | purplepenguins: what you use? |
| 00:53.41 | Kornholijo | in rc |
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| 00:54.47 | Talaturen | abrotman, I can change that 'vesa' now |
| 00:54.48 | minerale | is there any text-based typing tutor? |
| 00:54.50 | Talaturen | what should I use instead? |
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| 00:54.55 | abrotman | Talaturen: did you build fglrx yet ? |
| 00:54.59 | Talaturen | fglrx? |
| 00:55.08 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 00:55.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 00:55.13 | Talaturen | i followed that |
| 00:55.15 | Talaturen | I'm at last step |
| 00:55.20 | Talaturen | "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 00:55.21 | abrotman | you did the m-a part ? |
| 00:55.24 | Talaturen | yes |
| 00:55.29 | Talaturen | I can change the "vesa" now |
| 00:55.41 | abrotman | when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. see if fglrx is in the list .. if it is .. pick it |
| 00:55.45 | Talaturen | ok |
| 00:55.47 | abrotman | if not .. you've done something wrong |
| 00:56.16 | Talaturen | no, i found it |
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| 00:56.45 | infester | abrotman: whats this "one-liner" name for? :P |
| 00:57.27 | abrotman | infester: to build the binary nonfree crap drivers |
| 00:57.43 | Talaturen | abrotman, should I use kernel framebuffer device? |
| 00:57.51 | abrotman | i'd say no |
| 00:58.01 | abrotman | if you don't know that you need it .. just don't set it up |
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| 00:58.41 | infester | abrotman: yea, but why the name "one-liner"? =S |
| 00:58.57 | abrotman | infernix: because you can copy the command to a shell and execute it all in one shot |
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| 01:00.33 | Talaturen | ah, finally done with that reconfiguration, am I done now or do I have to do something special to reload the xorg file? |
| 01:00.55 | Kornholijo | restart x? |
| 01:01.06 | infester | abrotman: oh i see... thanks |
| 01:01.08 | Talaturen | init 1 and then init 2? |
| 01:01.15 | abrotman | Talaturen: you'll at least have to restart X |
| 01:01.37 | Talaturen | k brb |
| 01:01.38 | Kornholijo | abrotman: i just said that u troll ._. |
| 01:01.48 | bpringle | Is there something like "http://www.lugs.ch/~melone/egg2html.php" for this channel? |
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| 01:02.18 | abrotman | !tell bpringle about your factoids |
| 01:02.25 | abrotman | bpringle: the last URL |
| 01:02.55 | bpringle | abrotman: thx. |
| 01:03.50 | ericjames | hey, im having an issue with my network connection. my linux machine recognizes my network card properly, when I reset and connect my cable modem then restart my machine the cable provider picks up the mac address and sends me an IP, however I dont seem to recieve the IP. A couple of days ago i was using XP on the same machine to download debian netinst. I know that the network card works fine. I just cant figure out how to |
| 01:03.50 | ericjames | switched to linux. any Ideas? |
| 01:04.00 | ericjames | I have tried "/etc/init.d/networking restart" and the only change I've noticed is that the eth0 option under network devices in my network tools has vanished. where before choosing this option showed no IP. |
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| 01:05.51 | rking | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.56 | rking | Yeah, i'm a cool guy. |
| 01:06.10 | abrotman | ericjames: you don't have another NIC ? |
| 01:06.17 | bpringle | ericjames: Are you sure you have straight ethernet and not PPPoE? |
| 01:06.31 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 01:06.39 | ericjames | I do have straight ethernet |
| 01:06.40 | purplepenguins | for some reason I lost keyboard repeat |
| 01:06.54 | ericjames | no other NIC but i know this one works fine |
| 01:06.57 | infester | abrotman: you dont have any skills with ppc and bootsplash do you? :P |
| 01:07.14 | abrotman | infernix: i have a PPC .. but i don't use bootsplash |
| 01:07.18 | rking | abrotman: hrm, http://dpkg.vireo.org/ is giving an error message: The requested URL /http:search.php was not found on this server. do you know who owns it? |
| 01:07.27 | abrotman | ericjames: this is etch ? |
| 01:07.45 | abrotman | ericjames: what's the PCIid of the device (lspci -n) |
| 01:08.01 | ericjames | and it is recognized by linux as "davicom DM9102" |
| 01:08.07 | ericjames | let me check. |
| 01:08.18 | infester | abrotman: ok, after patching my kernel i cannot enter the bootsplash menu while configuring it (or well i can, but it's just empty...) have any idea of what to do? |
| 01:08.19 | purplepenguins | random things happen like that |
| 01:08.48 | abrotman | infernix: nope .. never used bootsplash |
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| 01:09.10 | ericjames | how can i tell which of these strings refers to the NIC? |
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| 01:09.29 | abrotman | lspci .. get the busid .. then lspci -n .. use the smae busid and get the pciid |
| 01:09.59 | infester | abrotman: oki |
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| 01:10.25 | Talaturen | hello again.. now when the loginscreen is supposed to appear it's just a black screen, so I'm at windows now, is it possible to reset the xorg.conf as it was before I reconfiguring it? |
| 01:10.39 | ericjames | 01:0a.0 0200: 1282:9102 |
| 01:11.18 | abrotman | ericjames: says your driver should be dmfe ? |
| 01:11.57 | bpringle | Can anyone how to setup Debian (any version) with loopAES. I want to boot via USB key with hdc completely encrypted. |
| 01:12.00 | ericjames | abrotman: how do i check? |
| 01:12.07 | ericjames | sorry I'm new to linux. |
| 01:12.08 | abrotman | ethtool |
| 01:12.31 | ericjames | command not found. |
| 01:12.42 | purplepenguins | anyone here use zsnes? |
| 01:12.50 | abrotman | ericjames: ah .. you'd have to install it |
| 01:12.54 | abrotman | ericjames: lsmod .. is it loaded ? |
| 01:12.56 | sn0 | purplepenguins have done |
| 01:13.05 | purplepenguins | I am having problems with it |
| 01:13.31 | purplepenguins | namely, it is ignoring my xmodmap |
| 01:13.51 | HostilePenguin | i just got done playing phantasia on it lol and zelda |
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| 01:13.57 | purplepenguins | actually, it's ignoring everything |
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| 01:14.00 | rahul | it lol? |
| 01:14.04 | purplepenguins | as far as keystrokes are concerned |
| 01:14.12 | rahul | L A W L. |
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| 01:14.45 | ericjames | abrotman: Im not seeing davicom in the lsmod. what am i looking for? |
| 01:14.49 | bpringle | I have grub, a kernel and mount tools on a usb key. I had encrypted the volume. I was recommended to run debootstrap. I don't see any code or instructions in this package. |
| 01:15.06 | ericjames | abrotman: dmfe: 0 |
| 01:15.08 | purplepenguins | wait nvm |
| 01:15.13 | abrotman | ericjames: tha'ts the module |
| 01:15.27 | purplepenguins | it's just ignoring my xmodmap |
| 01:15.34 | ericjames | so I need a dmfe module? |
| 01:15.41 | abrotman | ericjames: any useful info in dmesg/syslog/messages in /var/log/ ? |
| 01:16.00 | HostilePenguin | purplepenguins do you have a good site to d/l the roms? |
| 01:16.24 | purplepenguins | yes, but that is besides the point |
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| 01:17.42 | HostilePenguin | you went through set to set your kb right? |
| 01:17.55 | purplepenguins | Yeah |
| 01:17.58 | Talaturen | [03:10:05] <Talaturen> hello again.. now when the loginscreen is supposed to appear it's just a black screen, so I'm at windows now, is it possible to reset the xorg.conf as it was before I reconfigured it? |
| 01:17.58 | purplepenguins | it does that fine |
| 01:18.15 | purplepenguins | but I used xmodmap to change the Esc and Caps Lock keys |
| 01:18.19 | rahul | Talaturen: you shouldn't have installed xdm... |
| 01:18.32 | HostilePenguin | i see |
| 01:18.39 | purplepenguins | and ZSNES thinks that Esc is still at where it used to be, but the system interprets as Caps Lock |
| 01:19.18 | ericjames | abrotman: eth0: Davicom DM9102 at pci0000:01:0a.0, 00:08:a1:33:a3:13, irq 11. |
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| 01:19.47 | abrotman | ericjames: that's it ? |
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| 01:20.20 | ericjames | abrotman: thats everything about eth0, anything else your looking for? |
| 01:21.10 | dexomsrc | I have KDE+KWin and I would love the ability to alt-tab from fullscreen OpenGL applications (and even Direct3D ones being run with WINE) to my Desktop and back again without errors. Is this possible> |
| 01:21.18 | Talaturen | rahul, xdm..? i just installed fglrx and reconfigured xorg.conf.. |
| 01:21.28 | abrotman | dexomsrc: i think that depends on the app |
| 01:21.44 | abrotman | ericjames: what if you just dhclient eth0 ? |
| 01:22.36 | rahul | Talaturen: then X should have no relevance to your startup |
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| 01:22.42 | ericjames | abrotman: ok, what am i looking for here? |
| 01:22.53 | abrotman | ifconfig -a .. does eth0 have an IP ? |
| 01:23.35 | Talaturen | rahul, so it's not because I've modified xorg.conf..? :O |
| 01:23.47 | pingouin | which version of Debian/Etch i'm suppose to download with a core2duo cpu ? ia64 ? i386 ? i want to run the 32 bits version , please, thank you |
| 01:23.53 | ericjames | abrotman: would that be Inet6 addr? |
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| 01:24.12 | rahul | Talaturen: if the startup is messed up and the startup doesn |
| 01:24.23 | rahul | 't use X, why would an X config affect the startup? |
| 01:24.51 | Talaturen | rahul, not the startup.. when I'm supposed to get to the loginscreen it turns into a black screen |
| 01:25.00 | abrotman | ericjames: uhm .. should be an inet addr also |
| 01:25.04 | rahul | . . . |
| 01:25.15 | rahul | Talaturen: either you do have xdm, or you're really lost |
| 01:25.40 | ericjames | abrotman: no, but my modem is not connected to that machine right now. |
| 01:25.57 | abrotman | ericjames: uhm.. that might be important :) |
| 01:26.01 | Talaturen | rahul, then I'm really lost, but still is it possible to somehow reset xorg.conf without reinstalling debian? |
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| 01:26.16 | ericjames | abrotman: I have to disconnect this pc to do that. |
| 01:26.23 | abrotman | ericjames: i figured |
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| 01:26.31 | abrotman | ericjames: ever thought about investing in a router? :) |
| 01:26.38 | rahul | Talaturen: sure |
| 01:26.49 | rahul | Talaturen: well, you can edit it however you want |
| 01:27.01 | Talaturen | rahul, if I want it like it was when I installed debian, how should I do? |
| 01:27.03 | ericjames | abrotman: yes, but i would like to get the linux machine online first... |
| 01:27.22 | abrotman | ericjames: okay |
| 01:27.26 | rahul | !drxx |
| 01:27.27 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 01:27.48 | Talaturen | rahul, I don't know how it exactly looked when I installed debian and I don' |
| 01:27.52 | Talaturen | don't want to reinstall again. |
| 01:27.59 | ericjames | abrotman: whats this about a dmfe module? |
| 01:28.09 | abrotman | Talaturen: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 01:28.17 | abrotman | ericjames: that's the driver for your network card |
| 01:28.33 | rahul | . . . |
| 01:28.41 | abrotman | ! ! ! |
| 01:28.41 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 01:28.47 | rahul | heh |
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| 01:29.04 | rahul | Talaturen: do you or do you not have xdm? |
| 01:29.10 | rahul | or an equivalent? |
| 01:29.19 | abrotman | rahul: i'm sure he does .. |
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| 01:29.44 | ericjames | abrotman: is it a problem that I am "dmfe: 0" |
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| 01:29.54 | Talaturen | rahul, I can't remember installing something called xdm, but abrotman helped me so if he says I have, I guess I have it then |
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| 01:30.04 | abrotman | could be gdm or kdm |
| 01:30.08 | rahul | oooo kaay. |
| 01:30.10 | debianer | anybody here uses superkaramba? |
| 01:30.11 | abrotman | ericjames: nope |
| 01:30.17 | bpringle | disconnect |
| 01:30.27 | debianer | how to make it load automatically with kde? |
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| 01:30.30 | rahul | Talaturen: as a general rule, you should pay attention to what you're doing |
| 01:30.36 | rahul | even if someone is helping you |
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| 01:31.40 | ericjames | abrotman: I can easily reset my modem and check information for you while connected to the linux machine, it is just very time consuming for conversation purpose. |
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| 01:32.01 | abrotman | ericjames: i know .. but it's what you're trying to do :) |
| 01:32.24 | ericjames | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 01:33.03 | abrotman | ericjames: you're trying to get it working .. you're going to disconnect eventually :) |
| 01:33.14 | Talaturen | rahul, well if I get blackscreen because of xdm, how do I solve it? |
| 01:33.28 | rahul | ctrl-alt-F1 if you're lucky |
| 01:33.39 | rahul | and then uninstall xdm |
| 01:33.56 | rahul | otherwise, you're going to need to do single user mode |
| 01:34.07 | Talaturen | k, I'll try now brb. |
| 01:34.10 | abrotman | or he could just fix the driver ? |
| 01:34.28 | ericjames | abrotman: yes... what information do you want me to get back to you with? I'll need a few minutes to get back to you. |
| 01:35.35 | rahul | abrotman: hard to do when he has no interface to the computer |
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| 01:35.35 | abrotman | ericjames: just try a few of the things i mentioned ... |
| 01:35.36 | rahul | once he gets to a normal setup, he can fiddle with the config all he wants |
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| 01:36.23 | ericjames | abrotman: lsmod, dmesg, dhclient eth0 ? |
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| 01:36.51 | abrotman | ifconfig -a might help you see something too |
| 01:37.17 | ericjames | abrotman: ok, thanks, I'll be right back. |
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| 01:44.47 | teclo- | morning |
| 01:45.01 | teclo- | what's it again ? apt-get install mykeyring && apt-get update ? |
| 01:45.06 | abrotman | /topic |
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| 01:46.04 | sn0 | nn penguins |
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| 01:46.33 | Greyscale | How can I run "synergys -c ~/.synergy" as root after x has started, but before I log in? |
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| 01:46.54 | rahul | as root? |
| 01:46.58 | rahul | Greyscale: that's silly |
| 01:47.08 | rahul | put that in your .xsession. man xsession. |
| 01:47.10 | Greyscale | it needs to, I think Oo |
| 01:48.01 | Greyscale | or not.. |
| 01:48.16 | Greyscale | thanks |
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| 01:48.57 | abrotman | ericjame1: you can't speak in here as root |
| 01:49.03 | abrotman | ericjame1: login as a normal user |
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| 01:49.23 | Wyzard | hehe, that's a pretty good idea |
| 01:49.27 | daqqal | hey guys, i'm trying to make a initrd image, but debian took out mkinitrd, now they give yaird, when i use it to make the image, it is a lot smaller then my mkinitrd image for the same kernel, why is that? |
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| 01:49.45 | Wyzard | daqqal: mkinitrd hasn't been removed... it's still the default |
| 01:50.01 | Wyzard | daqqal: but yaird's images are smaller because they contain *only* what's necessary to boot the system in its current configuration |
| 01:50.01 | daqqal | Wyzard: not on apt-get anywhere |
| 01:50.16 | Wyzard | daqqal: oops, sorry -- mkinitrd is removed, but mkinitramfs is its replacement and the new default |
| 01:50.24 | rking | daqqal: from `apt-cache show yaird`: Compared with earlier implementations like mkinitrd, it does a better job of deciding which modules are needed for your system, so it produces smaller images and there is less risk of making an image that will not boot. |
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| 01:50.47 | CartoonCat | anyone able to help identify why java isnt being detected by firefox, but is by konqueror |
| 01:50.54 | Wyzard | daqqal: Anyway, yaird takes the approach of looking at your system at the time the initrd is generated, and including exactly the set of modules and commands that are needed |
| 01:50.57 | abrotman | about:plugins .. is it in there ? |
| 01:51.01 | teclo- | ok :) |
| 01:51.02 | daqqal | ah ok, well thats good then, thanx for the info rking and Wyzard |
| 01:51.18 | teclo- | can someoene tell me the md5sum for /bin/ps on Debian 4.0 x86 ? |
| 01:51.19 | Wyzard | daqqal: mkinitramfs takes the approach of putting a bunch of stuff into the initrd, which then figures out at boot time how to get the filesystem mounted |
| 01:51.38 | asg | teclo-: 7ccfcd49105666c1fce8ee5b88cad6ae |
| 01:51.41 | daqqal | Wyzard: so i'm better off using yaird then |
| 01:51.44 | teclo- | asg: thank you |
| 01:51.48 | teclo- | asg: got t hat too |
| 01:51.57 | Wyzard | daqqal: In general I like yaird's approach better, but with the caveat that it can't deal *at all* with changes to your system's boot configuration |
| 01:52.23 | Wyzard | daqqal: If your hda becomes hdb or sda or something, your existing initrd won't work, and you'll have to boot with a liveCD or something to generate a new one |
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| 01:53.02 | daqqal | Wyzard: oh in that case, i'll stick with mkinitramfs , because i use scsi and hda mixed and change here and there |
| 01:53.03 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 01:53.07 | pingu1 | hola a todos |
| 01:53.25 | Wyzard | daqqal: or if you use LVM and happen to rename the LV containing your root filesystem, which I once did |
| 01:53.43 | asg | abrotman: danke. |
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| 01:53.55 | pingu1 | ya aprendi a modificar mi sources list |
| 01:53.58 | abrotman | why does dpkg only give that kind now ? |
| 01:54.00 | daqqal | Wyzard: yup, i'll use the old method, mkinitramfs, thanx for the info |
| 01:54.08 | pingu1 | lo malo es que no me funciona bien :( |
| 01:54.19 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:54.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:55.05 | asg | abrotman: dunno, I don't like IPAs |
| 01:55.13 | pingu1 | ok I sorry i forgot -ES |
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| 01:55.24 | abrotman | asg: i don't get it either :) |
| 01:55.27 | abrotman | ericjames: bette r? |
| 01:55.33 | abrotman | erm ... |
| 01:55.38 | abrotman | ericjemes: |
| 01:56.30 | ericjemes | abrotman: thanks for all your help. I feel like an ass. after restarting my computer I clicked the network connecting information icon where it was saying "no connection, and checked wired connection. |
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| 01:56.42 | abrotman | ericjemes: whoops :) |
| 01:56.42 | ericjemes | Abrotman, that simple. |
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| 01:57.19 | ericjemes | Im gonna read a newbie guide now :-/ |
| 01:57.21 | ericjemes | lol |
| 01:57.36 | asg | abrotman: the slug arrived :) |
| 01:57.36 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | asg: feed it beer |
| 01:58.26 | abrotman | asg: what are you doing with it again ? |
| 01:58.49 | asg | abrotman: replacing my ancient P200 OpenBSD gateway |
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| 01:59.39 | abrotman | asg: router==gateway .. or POS computer gateway ? |
| 01:59.49 | abrotman | and i know it's not your real router |
| 01:59.55 | ericjemes | abrotman: a couple quick things though. as i said Im completely new to linux (windows validation certificates were really bothering me, and the linux community has interested me for a while, so i decided to join in). how do i check which version of debian i have? I downloaded it a couple of days ago so would assume i have etch, but how do i check? |
| 02:00.07 | abrotman | !version |
| 02:00.07 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 02:00.08 | asg | abrotman: the latter, though it's also what I keep this irc screen session running on. |
| 02:00.21 | abrotman | asg: now if only you could get a stable internet connection :) |
| 02:00.45 | PumpkinPie | I work every day to destroy the internet |
| 02:00.53 | asg | abrotman: will call TWC next week once I have the qemu windows crap setup. |
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| 02:01.04 | abrotman | asg: i can't believe you have to do that |
| 02:01.08 | asg | PumpkinPie: you aren't doing very well |
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| 02:01.21 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: could you at least start with the spam ? |
| 02:01.35 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: bill gates said that'd be licked by now .. you're both failures |
| 02:02.00 | derchris | hi folks, how can I setup my mysqld to accept connection from remote |
| 02:02.14 | bpringle | Regarding loopAES, http://wiki.debian.org/InitrdReplacementOptions lists initramfs-tools as "probably works". I will go this route. |
| 02:02.15 | asg | abrotman: I used to be able to lie from memory but I haven't run Windows in so long, I can't remember the text and convince them. |
| 02:02.18 | abrotman | check my.cnf .. i think you have to allow it to do that |
| 02:02.45 | abrotman | asg: oh come on .. they support old ladies . i'm sure you could lie that well :) |
| 02:02.45 | asg | derchris: iirc, the skip-networking option in the aformentioned file. |
| 02:02.59 | derchris | I set the ip already in my.cnf, bind-address = xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 02:03.10 | asg | derchris: did you restart mysql? |
| 02:03.10 | derchris | but this didn't help |
| 02:03.12 | abrotman | pron server ? |
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| 02:03.19 | derchris | hehe |
| 02:03.25 | derchris | yes, restarted afterwards |
| 02:03.39 | asg | derchris: netstat -ntl. Is it listening on port 3306? |
| 02:04.26 | derchris | only localhost. how can you setup more than one bind-address ? |
| 02:04.42 | derchris | I have bind-address = localhost xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
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| 02:05.04 | Cooner750 | what's up with mirrors.kernel.org ? |
| 02:05.04 | abrotman | ask them ? |
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| 02:05.28 | asg | derchris: try 0.0.0.0 |
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| 02:05.59 | Dreamlinux | hi budys! |
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| 02:06.32 | asg | abrotman: are you going to sexor him up or shall I? |
| 02:06.37 | Cooner750 | Waiting for Headers.... *falls asleep* |
| 02:06.40 | abrotman | asg: which one ? |
| 02:06.47 | abrotman | Cooner750: so use a different mirror |
| 02:06.56 | derchris | asg, abrotman, thanks for the help |
| 02:07.02 | derchris | 0.0.0.0 was the trick |
| 02:07.03 | asg | derchris: you're welcome |
| 02:07.22 | Dreamlinux | i have a problem when i tray compilate from the source!! |
| 02:07.36 | asg | abrotman: isn't it obvious? |
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| 02:08.13 | abrotman | it'd be nice if that 0.0.0.0 were noted somewhere |
| 02:08.46 | abrotman | asg: dreamboat ? |
| 02:08.53 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: rtfm |
| 02:08.58 | asg | abrotman: actually, commenting out the 'bind-address ...' should work just as well. |
| 02:09.01 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: i did |
| 02:09.13 | asg | abrotman: ding ding ding ... |
| 02:09.13 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: it's not in my.cnf or in the README.Debian.gz |
| 02:09.19 | Eden | hi all, do any of you have a link to where i might be able to get a quick guide to debian for an (reasonably :) )experienced linux user? |
| 02:09.25 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 02:09.26 | dpkg | i heard refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 02:09.47 | asg | Eden: and www.debian.org/doc |
| 02:10.09 | Eden | thanks abrotman & asg |
| 02:10.10 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: you might want to let go of the line |
| 02:10.15 | Miles_Prower | XD |
| 02:10.38 | asg | Miles_Prower: do you have enough diesel to last the night though? |
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| 02:11.20 | abrotman | asg: he's not a machine you know! |
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| 02:11.31 | Miles_Prower | gasoline unfortunately. |
| 02:11.57 | asg | Miles_Prower: at over $3 per gallon, the Internet can fuck off ;) |
| 02:12.00 | Miles_Prower | 6.5 gallons put in the generator an hour ago. |
| 02:12.05 | PumpkinPie | its easier to buy gasoline when the power is out (unless the gas station cant pump gas) but you know what I mean |
| 02:12.18 | Miles_Prower | asg: it's not just the internet. it's our fridge and etc, the AC. |
| 02:12.18 | PumpkinPie | not all gas stations have diesel |
| 02:12.41 | Miles_Prower | we're in tampa florida. AC is neccessary, and the power company says it might be tuesday to restore service. |
| 02:12.41 | abrotman | no kidding ... |
| 02:12.46 | Miles_Prower | because of the holiday. |
| 02:12.48 | Miles_Prower | >.< |
| 02:12.55 | abrotman | why is your power out ? |
| 02:13.01 | asg | Miles_Prower: I know, I've been in Tampa at this time of year. |
| 02:13.07 | Miles_Prower | they lost the paperwork for our turn-on request. |
| 02:13.20 | Miles_Prower | we just moved here the 15th |
| 02:13.40 | Miles_Prower | but when a turn-on request is submitted, so is a turn-OFF one. |
| 02:13.54 | Miles_Prower | which gets cancelled when the turn-on is completed. |
| 02:14.15 | Miles_Prower | laaame I say |
| 02:14.34 | PumpkinPie | how long can you go with that can of gas? |
| 02:15.05 | Miles_Prower | generator is supposed to run 16hr on it. |
| 02:15.13 | Miles_Prower | at 1/2 load. |
| 02:15.18 | Miles_Prower | we're close to that. |
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| 02:15.35 | PumpkinPie | you're using a generator right now? |
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| 02:15.53 | Miles_Prower | Yep |
| 02:15.58 | abrotman | i think i would have just asked the neighbor to pay half his bill and use an extension cord :) |
| 02:16.06 | PumpkinPie | yeah thats easier |
| 02:16.27 | asg | abrotman: I'd go to a bar and piggyback someone else's wifi |
| 02:16.53 | abrotman | asg: and when the bar closed ? |
| 02:16.54 | Miles_Prower | I can piggyback wifi where I'm sititng. |
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| 02:17.01 | abrotman | oh wait .. you'd be drunk .. and sleeping :) |
| 02:17.02 | Miles_Prower | I detect 3 seperate LINKSYS right now |
| 02:17.05 | PumpkinPie | I wouldn't use the internet and I would sleep on the street if its hot |
| 02:17.08 | asg | abrotman: touche |
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| 02:18.25 | PumpkinPie | Miles what was that conversation I saw you have yesterday |
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| 02:18.58 | Miles_Prower | with? |
| 02:19.02 | PumpkinPie | <Miles_Prower> they can cut the power, but they wont stop me. Fight the oppression |
| 02:19.13 | Miles_Prower | that wasn't me. =P |
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| 02:20.59 | PumpkinPie | uhm not sure what you were talking about |
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| 02:22.13 | piztek3 | hello |
| 02:22.43 | quad3d | (deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free) this is a sarge box. i don't intend to upgrade. so do i just change stable to sarge? (and same for all other lines?) |
| 02:23.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:23.53 | piztek3 | any dvd backup programs for gnome? |
| 02:23.53 | abrotman | be aware that sarge will only have security updates for about a year after etch's release |
| 02:24.07 | abrotman | gnomebaker? graveman? nautilus ? |
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| 02:24.27 | piztek3 | abrotman: is that a response to me? |
| 02:24.33 | abrotman | erm .. not graveman .. i can't remember the name |
| 02:24.34 | abrotman | piztek3: yes |
| 02:24.44 | Cooner750 | Oh no not this again |
| 02:24.44 | quad3d | abrotman: we are about to take this box off datacenter within couple a months... for the time being i don't want it to get messed up since it's prod |
| 02:24.53 | quad3d | thank you for the info. |
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| 02:25.19 | Cooner750 | I have installed build-essential and linux-headers-2.6.18-4 -- I am trying to compile Zaptel 1.0.9.2, and I am getting this http://pastebin.ca/510812 |
| 02:25.23 | piztek3 | how can nautilus back up dvd's? |
| 02:25.34 | abrotman | Cooner750: using m-a ? |
| 02:25.34 | Cooner750 | "You do not appear to have the kernel sources for your current kernel installed." |
| 02:25.43 | Cooner750 | abrotman: just using 'make linux26' |
| 02:25.52 | abrotman | Cooner750: why not use m-a a-i zaptel ? |
| 02:26.08 | Cooner750 | I didn't know I could do that :P let me try |
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| 02:26.54 | piztek3 | abrotman, mplayer gives me an error saying "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device." can you help me fix this? |
| 02:27.04 | abrotman | i don't use mplayer |
| 02:27.12 | piztek3 | what do you use? |
| 02:27.19 | Cooner750 | abrotman: Just like that? 'make m-a a-i zaptel' ? |
| 02:27.27 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 02:27.32 | abrotman | assuming you're running a Debian kernel now |
| 02:27.43 | Cooner750 | I get " |
| 02:27.44 | Cooner750 | make: *** No rule to make target `m-a'. Stop. |
| 02:27.44 | Cooner750 | " |
| 02:27.53 | itchi | Cooner750: heh |
| 02:28.02 | rahul | !penixstrike Cooner750 |
| 02:28.02 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Cooner750 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:28.04 | itchi | Cooner750: Forget that make |
| 02:28.18 | abrotman | Cooner750: it's a command |
| 02:28.28 | abrotman | Cooner750: at the prompt as root .. m-a a-i zaptel |
| 02:28.43 | itchi | piztek3: vlc is kinda nice |
| 02:29.14 | rahul | piztek3: choose a video output driver that you actually have support for |
| 02:29.19 | HappyMandy | how do i make a folder on desktop in fluxbox? |
| 02:29.29 | itchi | Cooner750: One that zaptel done. Just for fun, run 'm-a' |
| 02:29.30 | piztek3 | rahul: like what? |
| 02:29.34 | piztek3 | i'm in the menu now |
| 02:29.38 | rahul | piztek3: uh... you tell me |
| 02:29.39 | Cooner750 | I get command not found.. |
| 02:29.39 | piztek3 | which would i have support for though? |
| 02:29.45 | rahul | piztek3: how would I know? |
| 02:29.52 | piztek3 | rahul: how would I know? |
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| 02:30.00 | rahul | piztek3: don't make me penixstrike you |
| 02:30.05 | itchi | Cooner750: You need to install that app, it's called module-assistant |
| 02:30.18 | rahul | it should auto-detect fine, anyway |
| 02:30.19 | piztek3 | lol, sorry |
| 02:30.27 | piztek3 | rahul: how can I install more video support? |
| 02:30.38 | rahul | piztek3: the debian package autodetects when I run mplayer |
| 02:30.44 | rahul | cycles through the different drivers |
| 02:31.09 | Cooner750 | Seems to be working ok so far, it's installing more packages |
| 02:31.26 | piztek3 | now it's working |
| 02:31.39 | itchi | Cooner750: m-a is a very usefull tool ;-) |
| 02:31.43 | rahul | you're welcome :P |
| 02:31.44 | rahul | heh |
| 02:31.46 | piztek3 | can I hide the player? |
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| 02:32.08 | rahul | hrm, I usually use it without the gui |
| 02:32.13 | Cooner750 | Progress bar.. |
| 02:32.23 | Cooner750 | Looks a little funny in PuTTY but it works |
| 02:32.32 | piztek3 | what is putty |
| 02:32.37 | abrotman | !putty |
| 02:32.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, putty is a DFSG-free ssh/telnet/rsh client for Windows and Linux. It is small, simple, and has no install nonsense. Available at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ |
| 02:32.38 | Cooner750 | Windows SSH client |
| 02:32.46 | abrotman | Cooner750: linux too |
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| 02:32.58 | Cooner750 | Yea, I usually end up just using the ssh command in Linux most of the time |
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| 02:33.11 | Cooner750 | I just use the ssh utility when I'm on my Mac |
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| 02:33.41 | abrotman | Cooner750: did m-a work or not ? |
| 02:33.44 | rahul | speaking of penix bars |
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| 02:34.06 | Cooner750 | So far it seems to be working fine. "Building zaptel-source, step 1, please wait" |
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| 02:34.11 | rahul | Cooner750: putty thinks YOU look funny in that chair |
| 02:34.31 | Cooner750 | it's bouncing between 0 and 30 % O_o |
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| 02:34.40 | Palish | Hello all, I have an error running apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E ... W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 02:34.47 | Palish | does anyone happen to know what to do? |
| 02:34.47 | abrotman | Palish: /topic |
| 02:34.58 | HappyMandy | !apt-key |
| 02:35.00 | itchi | Cooner750: That's for earch step |
| 02:35.09 | Cooner750 | that's what I figured |
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| 02:35.45 | piztek3 | where are fonts located? |
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| 02:36.06 | rahul | in my poohole |
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| 02:36.22 | rahul | never bothered to set up mplayer with different fonts |
| 02:36.31 | rahul | the ones it had were good enough for me |
| 02:36.37 | itchi | piztek3: A quick search with locate fonts will tell you i think |
| 02:36.45 | Palish | So.. No one knows? :( |
| 02:36.49 | rahul | anyway, time to hit the bar |
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| 02:37.04 | rahul | Palish: do you always ignore the /topic of every channel you join? |
| 02:37.11 | Palish | Oh, sorry. |
| 02:37.24 | itchi | Palish: Read what abrotman told you ;-) |
| 02:37.25 | Palish | Typcially, yeah, because this is the first time my answer has ever been in the topic. |
| 02:37.39 | rahul | you need to hang out in better channels |
| 02:37.43 | rahul | or at my local bar :) |
| 02:37.47 | rahul | poof. |
| 02:37.49 | Palish | :) thank you so much. |
| 02:38.01 | abrotman | rahul: your bar has a /topic ? |
| 02:38.06 | Cooner750 | back to console |
| 02:38.14 | Cooner750 | Should I reboot? |
| 02:38.16 | itchi | Palish: Anyway, 'topic' may important, so you may try to look to it, each time you join, whe never know that there may an very very imporant msg |
| 02:38.22 | itchi | Cooner750: Are you crazy? |
| 02:38.23 | itchi | :-) |
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| 02:42.50 | Palish | okay |
| 02:43.12 | Palish | I had a small conversation with dpkg, and ran both commands that it presented me with, but neither command corrected the problem. |
| 02:43.38 | Palish | neither "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add" nor "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update" |
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| 02:43.50 | Palish | isn't there a simple "Do this, then do this, then do this" that can be had to fix the problem? |
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| 02:44.21 | abrotman | uhm |
| 02:44.29 | abrotman | aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 02:44.51 | enouf | Palish: you for got the last - |
| 02:45.12 | enouf | sudo apt-key add - |
| 02:45.43 | Palish | enouf: Very sharp eye, thanks, I'll try that |
| 02:46.47 | Palish | that..causes it to hang in some operation that doesn't print any indication it's started to do something, nor any indication it's finished |
| 02:46.59 | Palish | just goes into a newline and sits there, not returning to the command prompt. |
| 02:47.06 | enouf | Palish: did you run that as a User? |
| 02:47.35 | abrotman | !apt-key 8722E71E |
| 02:47.36 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 8722E71E ; gpg --export 8722E71E | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 02:47.49 | Palish | I'm in superuser mode right now.. |
| 02:48.11 | enouf | Palish: run it as a regular user |
| 02:48.12 | abrotman | then take out the sudo |
| 02:48.23 | enouf | or that |
| 02:49.27 | enouf | abrotman: will that factoid work with any 8digit alphanumeric? or must be a legit one? |
| 02:49.27 | Cooner750 | everything seems to be working ok, except I need the right modem now |
| 02:49.41 | abrotman | enouf: assuming the key is at that url |
| 02:49.49 | abrotman | Cooner750: so load the module |
| 02:49.52 | enouf | ok, thanks |
| 02:49.56 | Palish | it's now hanging at gpg: requesting key blah from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net |
| 02:50.00 | Cooner750 | abrotman: ? |
| 02:50.05 | Cooner750 | Zaptel works fine |
| 02:50.06 | Palish | 8722E71E specifically |
| 02:50.11 | Cooner750 | as does wcfxo |
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| 02:50.15 | Cooner750 | but it only works with Intel 537 modems |
| 02:50.22 | enouf | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 2D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - <--try that Palish |
| 02:50.34 | enouf | Palish: as a USEER |
| 02:50.36 | abrotman | enouf: uhm .. notice the key he's missing ? |
| 02:50.44 | yetifoot | anyone here familiar with make-live? I made an ISO, and 99% works, but the one program i installed manually, gives a message about can't find file /filesystem.squashfs/usr/share/fbc/bin/linux/as but the file is at /usr/share/fbc/linux/as |
| 02:50.52 | enouf | crap ..lol |
| 02:50.59 | enouf | didn't see it abrotman |
| 02:51.01 | abrotman | enouf: i already gave the command :) |
| 02:51.13 | Palish | It's just hanging at "requesting key..." |
| 02:51.16 | enouf | Palish: nm .. use whatever your corect key is |
| 02:51.17 | Palish | with no response. |
| 02:51.21 | Palish | I don't know my correct key. :) |
| 02:51.36 | Palish | the one it spits out from apt-get update? |
| 02:51.47 | enouf | yep .. should be |
| 02:52.01 | Palish | it's long.. 16 digits. |
| 02:52.20 | enouf | Palish: you can use the last 8 digits |
| 02:52.24 | enouf | IINM |
| 02:52.38 | enouf | using 16 won't matter |
| 02:52.44 | Palish | still hangs on "gpg: requesting key..." |
| 02:53.45 | cast | gpg: key 2D230C5F: public key "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" imported |
| 02:53.50 | cast | works fine here :> |
| 02:54.13 | Cooner750 | Everything seems to be working great. Just need to wait for that Intel 537EPG modem to get to my doorstep from eBay :P_ |
| 02:54.17 | abrotman | cast: not the same key |
| 02:54.48 | Palish | here is exactly what I see: http://rafb.net/p/sOFQPa40.html |
| 02:54.53 | cast | uh my bad! |
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| 02:55.07 | enouf | Palish: is that a apt-get source key? |
| 02:55.22 | Palish | I copied the last 8 digits from the error it spit out when running "sudo apt-get update" |
| 02:55.34 | Palish | last 8 digits from the KEY in the error that is |
| 02:55.35 | Palish | :) |
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| 02:55.45 | enouf | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add - <--try that Palish |
| 02:56.06 | Palish | still hangs on the requesting. |
| 02:56.11 | Palish | I could try a reboot(?) |
| 02:56.14 | piztek3 | where can I put mplayer skins if i'm on lenny? |
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| 02:56.59 | enouf | or mv your /var/lib/apt/cache/pkgcache.bin or whatever that fikle is .. |
| 02:57.50 | Palish | yeah, definitely hanging. |
| 02:58.18 | Palish | .. /var/lib/apt is a directory.. |
| 02:58.22 | enouf | file:///var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin <-- that file |
| 02:58.26 | soblue | I have a problem. The icon for Python files (.py) is not displaying in Nautilus on this system (Debian Etch). When I right click-click a .py file and click Preferences it DOES show up however. Any thoughts? |
| 02:58.33 | enouf | Palish: ^^^^ |
| 02:58.46 | soblue | right-click* |
| 02:59.18 | Palish | I moved it to pkgcache.bin.old, then re-ran the command, and it still hangs |
| 02:59.18 | Palish | grrr. |
| 02:59.18 | soblue | Properties* |
| 02:59.23 | enouf | are you running debian Palish ? |
| 03:00.18 | enouf | i got a headache .. latez folks .. gotta go |
| 03:00.28 | Palish | enouf: of course :) |
| 03:00.33 | Palish | etch last I checked. |
| 03:01.26 | soblue | No ideas what could be causing it? |
| 03:01.26 | piztek3 | where do I put mplayer skins? |
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| 03:01.44 | Palish | the only thing I did today was say "Hm, I'd like to install apache, I better do an apt-get update first" and tried that, then got that error. |
| 03:02.01 | Palish | previously I upgraded to etch when it required..some kind of change in where apt-get was looking at things |
| 03:02.04 | Palish | do I need to change that back? |
| 03:02.15 | Palish | it was like.. pointing to the test servers instead of the stable servers or something. |
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| 03:02.48 | soblue | Palish: I had a similar problem when the "stable" release became etch... an apt-get update basically broke my whole system because I was using Sarge. |
| 03:03.09 | Palish | Oh.. |
| 03:03.54 | soblue | Er, that's not your exact problem but it was similar.. |
| 03:04.21 | Palish | Yeah :( |
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| 03:07.05 | abrotman | they broke sarge ? |
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| 03:07.45 | soblue | abrotman: For me at least. I tried an apt-get update just after etch became stable and everything stopped working... couldn't even launch X |
| 03:07.59 | abrotman | soblue: probably because you were pointing at stable .. not sarge |
| 03:08.22 | soblue | abrotman: Yes, I know, but that was how it was configured and I didn't know how to fix it |
| 03:08.25 | nvz | soblue: you would have went from xfree86 to xorg too might have misconfigured |
| 03:08.49 | abrotman | soblue: so .. you're blaming Debian for something you could have easily prevented but didn't because you didn't know how? |
| 03:09.07 | soblue | abrotman: I wouldn't say "easily"... |
| 03:09.16 | abrotman | it is easy :) |
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| 03:10.03 | soblue | ...but maybe I am being a bit too critical. |
| 03:10.19 | soblue | sorry |
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| 03:10.59 | felipe_ | hi there! |
| 03:11.11 | soblue | hi felipe |
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| 03:11.49 | felipe_ | I'm trying to increase the speed of the mouse's pointer, but I haven't any success so far.. |
| 03:12.27 | felipe_ | I've tried to change the "resolution" parameter in XF86Config...I set it to 5000 and nothing happened |
| 03:12.50 | felipe_ | (under mouse options, of course) |
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| 03:16.50 | soblue | felipe: The only thing I could suggest, under GNOME, is to try Desktop > Preferences > Mouse, pick the Motion tab, and change the Acceleration slider |
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| 03:18.19 | soblue | or maybe Sensitivity |
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| 03:19.53 | piztek3 | soblue: who are you trying to help |
| 03:20.10 | soblue | the person who just left |
| 03:20.34 | piztek3 | was he complaining about the mouse motion? |
| 03:20.42 | soblue | yes, I think |
| 03:20.50 | piztek3 | well i found a fix for it |
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| 03:21.14 | soblue | hmm.. shame he left then |
| 03:21.38 | soblue | I'm having a wierd problem myself. |
| 03:22.01 | piztek3 | in gconf-editor, if you can remember this, /desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse/motion_threshold "0" |
| 03:22.07 | piztek3 | it makes the mouse sooo smooth |
| 03:22.50 | piztek3 | what program do you guys use for irc? |
| 03:23.47 | Surtsey | piztek3: he uses xchat 2.6.8 ;) |
| 03:23.54 | dondelelcaro | irssi-text; some people use xchat. |
| 03:24.24 | thingfish | gaim is also popular. |
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| 03:24.30 | Surtsey | gag. |
| 03:24.32 | thingfish | hehe |
| 03:24.38 | Surtsey | irssi's the way to go, imo. |
| 03:25.05 | piztek3 | irssi |
| 03:25.26 | piztek3 | i'll try it |
| 03:25.28 | piztek3 | is it in repo |
| 03:25.42 | Surtsey | piztek3: #apt-cache search irssi |
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| 03:27.13 | piztek3 | how do i start totem in minimal mode or controls hidden? |
| 03:27.16 | Palish | interesting.. |
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| 03:27.29 | Palish | apparently apt-get install apache2 installs apache without apxs |
| 03:28.25 | piztek3 | irssi is terminal based |
| 03:28.46 | Surtsey | correct you are |
| 03:28.55 | Surtsey | there's a gtk+ irssi running around but gfl getting it working |
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| 03:30.55 | soblue | it's been a while, so I'll repeat what I'm here about. My Python files aren't showing the icon in Nautilus, despite appearing in the Properties dialog. Also won't launch by double-clicking on them. |
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| 03:31.30 | piztek3 | I have a script that launches a wine app, but every time I run it, it asks if I want to run it or display it. How do I configure it to run? |
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| 03:32.43 | soblue | piztek3: go to Nautilus's Preferences, Behavior tab, click "Run executable text files when they are clicked" |
| 03:33.13 | piztek3 | thank you |
| 03:33.18 | soblue | you're welcome |
| 03:33.44 | piztek3 | that was sweet |
| 03:34.04 | piztek3 | now if I could only start Totem in hidden control mode and install compiz, i'd have a kickin' system |
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| 03:35.36 | soblue | my Python files won't even Run when I click Run in that dialog :( |
| 03:35.45 | piztek3 | how come? |
| 03:35.49 | soblue | Don't know. |
| 03:36.13 | piztek3 | coming from kde i had these shorcuts to files on my backup drive and when i opened them they were empty |
| 03:36.23 | piztek3 | simple .txt files too |
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| 03:37.34 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.49 | soblue | nvz, they have both :( |
| 03:38.31 | nvz | soblue: what are you issuing for a command? filename, absolulte path? are you calling python? |
| 03:39.05 | soblue | nvz, hold on, I'll copy/paste... |
| 03:39.30 | soblue | #!/bin/env python |
| 03:39.36 | soblue | ooohhhh |
| 03:39.42 | soblue | I see a problem there |
| 03:40.04 | soblue | should be /usr/bin/env, right? |
| 03:40.08 | simonrvn | /usr/bin/env |
| 03:40.12 | simonrvn | yup |
| 03:40.30 | soblue | I didn't write this file, Mark Lutz did |
| 03:40.40 | nvz | piztek3: I'd use a different movie player if its a big deal like xineui, there doesnt seem to be a way either in preference or on command line to do that with totem.. and it obviously doesnt remember its state like xineui |
| 03:41.11 | nvz | soblue: which python |
| 03:41.25 | simonrvn | which env more like |
| 03:41.26 | soblue | nvz: I'm using 2.4 |
| 03:41.31 | nvz | heh |
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| 03:41.48 | nvz | simonrvn: did you feel that comming? |
| 03:42.19 | simonrvn | dunno, maybe hehe |
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| 03:43.51 | soblue | well I changed it, now it's launching correctly; still not showing the Python icon though |
| 03:44.10 | simonrvn | would probably need to change the env to python |
| 03:44.24 | soblue | hmm.. ok, I'll try that |
| 03:45.28 | soblue | no good; it launches like before, but still no icon |
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| 03:47.48 | rcbarnes | I'm trying to remove a module, but it's in use. How do I find what's using it? |
| 03:48.22 | simonrvn | probably just need some .desktop thingy, it's not a big deal |
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| 03:48.52 | soblue | like I said, the icon shows up in the file's Properties, just not on the main Nautilus window; it's wierd |
| 03:50.15 | piztek3 | i'm suprised there's not a mouse over file properties that displays on the desktop |
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| 03:51.55 | Rusty1_ | rcbarnes, lsmod no help? |
| 03:52.31 | rcbarnes | Rusty1_: nope |
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| 03:53.10 | simonrvn | i see |
| 03:54.56 | Rusty1_ | rcbarnes, lsmod .modutils no help? (never used it myself) |
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| 03:55.59 | rcbarnes | Rusty1_: never used it. I'll look at it. |
| 03:56.02 | rcbarnes | thanks |
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| 03:59.01 | soblue | I guess having the right glitzy icon show up isn't all that important... I would like to know how icons are set up in GNOME generally though.. |
| 03:59.21 | piztek3 | with nautilus |
| 03:59.28 | piztek3 | nautilus controls the file manager and desktop |
| 03:59.47 | soblue | ok, but which files do the configuring, I mean? |
| 04:00.00 | piztek3 | all the programs |
| 04:00.20 | piztek3 | then they save to the home folder all their settings and other information |
| 04:00.21 | itchi | I burned my first lightscribe cd on Debian :-) For the Debian 4.0 netintall :-p |
| 04:02.13 | nvz | itchi: did you lightscribe a big debian logo on it? |
| 04:02.13 | soblue | piztek3: it's not standardized then? how does Nautilus know where to look for the icons? |
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| 04:02.15 | itchi | nvz: Not yet, just plain text with that 'Ink Art' border :-s I used the software of http://www.lightscribe.com/d |
| 04:02.21 | piztek3 | that stuff I don't know, but i think it stores all the icons in certain folders and refers to them by theme string, then name |
| 04:02.31 | itchi | nvz: I now need to see how that will be done, cause in that app, there's no way to add a pic :-( |
| 04:02.31 | piztek3 | like i don't have a sessions icon in my gnome menu |
| 04:02.48 | nvz | itchi: ah :( |
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| 04:02.53 | piztek3 | how do i start synaptic from command line? |
| 04:03.12 | nvz | piztek3: by typing gksu synaptic |
| 04:03.12 | cast | piztek3: ddi you try typing synaptic |
| 04:03.35 | itchi | nvz: I find that black printing a bit light, btw, i thought it was much more darker |
| 04:03.36 | piztek3 | thanks |
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| 04:03.53 | nvz | piztek3: its in the Desktop Menu under Administration |
| 04:04.07 | piztek3 | i know, i want it on the desktop too |
| 04:04.19 | nvz | so drag it out :p |
| 04:05.57 | StaticSho | can i set up a domain controller for a windows network without using a windows server? |
| 04:06.20 | StaticSho | is there a linux solution? |
| 04:06.24 | nvz | StaticSho: probably using samba though I dont know anything about how to do that |
| 04:06.49 | piztek3 | how can I remove a directory if it says cannot remove directory when i try to rm it |
| 04:07.01 | nvz | piztek3: -f or use rmdir |
| 04:07.04 | StaticSho | looks like samba can handle some active directory tasks, i wonder how well it would integrate |
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| 04:07.33 | itchi | StaticSho: You need Samba |
| 04:07.56 | StaticSho | ok, so samba can do this? |
| 04:07.56 | en1gma | sup all |
| 04:07.57 | soblue | piztek3: you might need the -r option too. -r for "recursive" |
| 04:08.04 | itchi | StaticSho: Sure |
| 04:08.12 | piztek3 | thanks |
| 04:08.25 | nvz | -r and -f are dangerous combination |
| 04:08.28 | nvz | use wisely |
| 04:08.36 | StaticSho | thanks |
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| 04:09.00 | nvz | something you really should avoid doing as root at all costs |
| 04:09.42 | nvz | rm should be patched in debian to check uid when doing -rf and tell you that you should put the crack pipe down |
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| 04:09.49 | nvz | if you use it as root |
| 04:09.58 | soblue | lol |
| 04:10.55 | soblue | I didn't mean to use -r and -f together anyway. just saying it might be needed instead of -f to remove a directory |
| 04:11.11 | itchi | hehe |
| 04:11.17 | nvz | rm is not suppose to remove directories it tells you to use rmdir |
| 04:11.21 | nvz | which is why you need the -f |
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| 04:11.51 | soblue | hmm.. I seem to remember removing a directory with -r without -f... |
| 04:11.56 | itchi | sh*t, k3b have broken that cd, i have forget that there was somethings wrong with it :-( |
| 04:12.16 | nvz | either or I guess, depends on if its empty or not |
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| 04:13.47 | piztek3 | any dvd backup programs that allow you to watch the movie? |
| 04:13.47 | dondelelcaro | soblue: the -f isn't required; -r is. |
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| 04:14.26 | soblue | I just tested it by creating a directory and populating it... rm -r worked fine (as dondelelcaro just indicated) |
| 04:14.29 | thingfish | /send memoserv tech9iner #suse Hey pally, great to see you for a while, hope to see you soon. Days off are Tues and Wed., so I'll look for you then. |
| 04:14.33 | thingfish | darnit |
| 04:15.01 | piztek3 | i got it working |
| 04:15.06 | piztek3 | had to empty the folder |
| 04:15.07 | en1gma | anyone know if konversation has themes available? i been using the default for long time now and its getting kinda bland |
| 04:17.12 | macogw | i didn't configure my nic while installing etch. when i plug in a cable now, it shows "connected" (the network manager applet does, i mean), but firefox and apt can't seem to find anything. is there some extra config i have to do to make the nic work? |
| 04:18.01 | cast | macogw: host google.com, can you resolve hostnames? |
| 04:18.35 | macogw | i put google.com into firefox and got a not found |
| 04:19.06 | cast | macogw: type host google.com into the terminal, i mean |
| 04:19.17 | macogw | ok h/o ill brb then |
| 04:19.21 | macogw | (no router) |
| 04:20.52 | itchi | macogw: You need to configure your network, if you not have a DHCP server |
| 04:20.55 | valdyn | soblue: -f is usually silly and just dangerous |
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| 04:21.08 | soblue | valdyn: I bet it is. |
| 04:21.16 | Tortel | im going to rm -rf * my ubuntu machine |
| 04:21.21 | Tortel | someone time me |
| 04:21.28 | cast | Tortel: why? |
| 04:21.33 | macogw | cast, it said connection timed out, no servers could be reached. ifconfig does show an ip address though |
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| 04:21.39 | valdyn | Tortel: in that case -f is also changing nothing at all |
| 04:21.41 | itchi | Tortel: Add that magic slash :-p |
| 04:21.43 | cast | macogw: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:22.08 | cast | macogw: if that doesn't list a nameserver or two add some nameserver ip lines |
| 04:22.22 | Tortel | yeah, i want to time how loong rm will go |
| 04:22.23 | piztek3 | anything better than rhythmbox |
| 04:22.34 | cast | Tortel: so use a watch? |
| 04:22.52 | Tortel | will rm -rf delete everything? |
| 04:22.58 | Tortel | uhh, add a star |
| 04:23.07 | cast | Tortel: you do use ubuntu don't you :o |
| 04:23.12 | itchi | Tortel: in the current dir, yes |
| 04:23.20 | Tortel | i have it, but I dont like it |
| 04:23.21 | itchi | cast: Not for long anymore :-p |
| 04:23.32 | cast | Tortel: how about you just overwrite hda1? :) |
| 04:23.50 | macogw | cast: oh ok that's blank...networkmanager generated a blank one according to the comment in it :p |
| 04:23.59 | itchi | Tortel: I guess that 'time' gona not work |
| 04:24.09 | Tortel | i have 3x other computers |
| 04:24.11 | cast | macogw: well theres the problem. get your isp nameserver ips, |
| 04:24.40 | Tortel | someting tells me they wont go away.... |
| 04:24.40 | macogw | cast: can i just copy whatever's on the computer i'm using at the moment? |
| 04:24.40 | itchi | Tortel: Anyway, pay attention what your doing heh |
| 04:24.47 | Tortel | it cant delete alot of stuff |
| 04:24.56 | cast | macogw: yip, why not. same isp -> same nameservers most of the time |
| 04:25.04 | macogw | ok then |
| 04:25.18 | Tortel | it went 37 secconds, then stopped |
| 04:25.21 | Tortel | :| |
| 04:25.22 | en1gma | going to this site http://techgage.com/article/top_10_free_linux_games crashes my iceweasel |
| 04:25.22 | macogw | it's a laptop though, so will i have to worry about changing that file whenever i go other places? |
| 04:25.26 | Tortel | its still running! |
| 04:25.29 | en1gma | can someone see if it does theres too |
| 04:25.48 | cast | en1gma: works fine here. but i dont have flash |
| 04:25.56 | itchi | en1gma: Work fine here too |
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| 04:25.59 | en1gma | i dont have flash or java |
| 04:26.00 | valdyn | macogw: network manager tried is supposed to get a valid dns entry from the dhcp server and write it to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:26.08 | en1gma | crap why cant i go to it |
| 04:26.11 | macogw | works fine on regular firefox (though with ubuntu) and flash |
| 04:26.17 | Tortel | cast: it didnt delete my computer |
| 04:26.24 | en1gma | maybe beryl doing it? |
| 04:26.25 | Tortel | it stopped after 37 secconds... |
| 04:26.40 | en1gma | going to disable beryl |
| 04:26.42 | macogw | valdyn: does the fact that there's no entry in /etc/network/interfaces for that device have anything to do with it forgetting that part? |
| 04:26.43 | itchi | en1gma: Is it every time? |
| 04:26.47 | Tortel | ....and it deleted rm |
| 04:26.51 | soblue | I wonder if rm can remove itself ? |
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| 04:27.04 | cast | soblue: of course :) |
| 04:27.08 | itchi | soblue: You not used that magic slash, but a wildcard i guess |
| 04:27.20 | valdyn | macogw: no, you can, for each interface _either_ use network manager _or_ /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:27.20 | Tortel | soblue: it just did |
| 04:27.21 | itchi | arg |
| 04:27.25 | itchi | Tortel: ^^ |
| 04:27.28 | soblue | Tortel: so I just saw |
| 04:27.30 | thingfish | en1gma: that's not it. I'm using beryl, and I loaded the site fine. |
| 04:27.32 | Tortel | and it removed apt-get |
| 04:27.44 | Tortel | and ls |
| 04:27.51 | Tortel | pwd works! |
| 04:27.54 | StaticSho | how well can i run a samba PDC on a 400mhz processor, i wonder |
| 04:28.03 | macogw | valdyn: ok. i've commented out all but lo in there before to get nm to work with wpa but didnt know if using it on the same networks all the time was why i never ran into a problem |
| 04:28.07 | valdyn | macogw: nm lets users connect to networks, the other needs root permissions. That's the primary difference in purpose |
| 04:28.08 | cast | whats network manager? |
| 04:28.11 | itchi | Tortel: Open a new terminal or type exec bash :-) |
| 04:28.15 | Tortel | anyone know how to make rm come back? |
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| 04:28.18 | cast | Tortel: shell builtins |
| 04:28.31 | macogw | cast: applet for network roaming |
| 04:28.32 | itchi | Tortel: Bash hash the thing |
| 04:28.34 | valdyn | macogw: so nm is the solution to use on a laptop really |
| 04:28.34 | Tortel | damn, the login is dead too! |
| 04:28.51 | Tortel | bash is gone! |
| 04:28.58 | itchi | Tortel: That's good news :-) |
| 04:29.07 | Tortel | wooo! |
| 04:29.11 | Tortel | dead in 37 secconds |
| 04:29.27 | itchi | Tortel: You have much more space for Debian now heh :-p |
| 04:29.41 | Tortel | yep |
| 04:29.54 | Tortel | my mouse doesnt work either |
| 04:30.34 | Tortel | clear doesnt work |
| 04:30.36 | Tortel | cd does |
| 04:30.44 | valdyn | macogw: you can try ( as root ): 'dhclient eth0' to see if / how dhcp is working |
| 04:30.59 | macogw | wow i like downloading from my mom's computer. i dont have to "sudo rmmod sky2 && sudo modprobe sky2" on here during downloads |
| 04:31.09 | valdyn | macogw: ( or also read the log, but nm's log is somewhat hard to read iirc ) |
| 04:31.42 | Tortel | halt is gone |
| 04:32.02 | macogw | Tortel: what about sudo shutdown -h now? |
| 04:32.04 | itchi | Tortel: Man, if you gona tell us what's gona and not, you have a long list to run off |
| 04:32.12 | macogw | haha |
| 04:32.47 | Tortel | i want to reboot, what commands do that? |
| 04:32.54 | Tortel | besides reboot |
| 04:33.02 | itchi | Tortel: How so? |
| 04:33.06 | valdyn | Tortel: you have no such command anymore |
| 04:33.16 | Tortel | to the power button! |
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| 04:33.26 | itchi | Tortel: The power cable :-p |
| 04:33.41 | Tortel | yay, grub died! |
| 04:33.46 | itchi | Tortel: There's still different options, or maybe gona you kill that too :-p |
| 04:33.47 | Tortel | woo, its toast! |
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| 04:34.15 | Tortel | that was fun |
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| 04:34.26 | macogw | Tortel: cd /lib do the rm'ing in there and thatll kill it quick too |
| 04:34.48 | minerale | Is there a way I can delte all lines matching a regex from a file in one step? |
| 04:34.58 | Tortel | cd works, rm doesnt, and it doesnt boot anymore :P |
| 04:35.02 | macogw | someone on linuxnet told someone who was asking for help to do that...he never came back and asked again... |
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| 04:35.16 | minerale | I remember seeing a perl one liner that would remove all lines from a file matching a regex, can't remember, can't find it |
| 04:35.22 | macogw | linuxnet people are mean sometimes |
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| 04:35.42 | GenNMX | Hmmm, dnsmasq vs dhcp+bind vs dhcp3-server+bind for a router...any ideas? What's the difference between the dhcp and dhcp3-server package? |
| 04:35.48 | macogw | ther's probably a vim command to do it too |
| 04:37.02 | itchi | GenNMX: A diff 'app'. There are different for the 'same' task |
| 04:37.25 | soblue | macogw: and surely an Emacs command to do it too then! :) |
| 04:37.34 | macogw | :1,$s/[regex]//d would do it i think... |
| 04:37.58 | valdyn | GenNMX: there's a 'dhcp' package ? |
| 04:38.02 | macogw | soblue: i dont know anything about emacs. i tried to use it once, but all the text was little squares |
| 04:38.14 | itchi | valdyn: yes |
| 04:38.18 | GenNMX | valdyn: Yep, and it's different then dhcp3-server. |
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| 04:38.36 | valdyn | GenNMX: its version 2 of dhcp-server vs version 3 |
| 04:39.20 | soblue | macogw: hmm. not sure if you mean unprintable characters or buffer windows |
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| 04:39.43 | GenNMX | Hmm, looks like dhcp v3 has some important updates, why is dhcp 2 still around? Backwards compatibility with older clients? |
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| 04:41.32 | itchi | GenNMX: The size of both apps have a 'big' difference too. I may guess that the 'new' one is a bit more heavy too |
| 04:42.03 | GenNMX | itchi: Ah, good point. This system can more then handle it, so I'll just use the newer one. |
| 04:42.11 | macogw | soblue: either ubuntu's emacs is broken, or monospace isn't really a monospace font |
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| 04:42.17 | itchi | GenNMX: Yeah, probably that will be the best choice |
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| 04:42.23 | metbsd | how do i list packages i can install about exim |
| 04:42.29 | GenNMX | My old 233Mhz K6-2 w/ 32MB RAM router was almost always at 99% idle |
| 04:42.35 | soblue | macogw: I would bet on ubuntu being broken |
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| 04:44.11 | itchi | GenNMX: Anyway, i'm more that one that will spare resources, depend of your spirit |
| 04:44.32 | soblue | macogw: I seem to recall ubuntu's monospaced fonts never quite lining up propertly in any text editor. |
| 04:44.43 | macogw | soblue: well i'm quite thoroughly annoyed with ubuntu at the moment |
| 04:44.47 | GenNMX | itchi: A 900Mhz Celeron w/ 256MB of RAM is way more then enough for simple routing. |
| 04:45.04 | itchi | GenNMX: Yeah, sure |
| 04:45.23 | soblue | properly, even |
| 04:45.33 | GenNMX | Anyway, best thing to do is test before assumption of resource usage. I was just wondering if anything important was between the three packages. |
| 04:45.47 | GenNMX | Now to see which packages I need for all of Shorewall's features... |
| 04:45.48 | macogw | GenNMX: heh if it can run winxp, it's probably more than enough for routing, and i have a much lower spec machine doing that |
| 04:45.54 | itchi | GenNMX: I dunno, honesty |
| 04:46.18 | GenNMX | macogw: Why XP? |
| 04:46.45 | macogw | GenNMX: it's one of my dad's comps and the lexmark hooked up to it is linux-incompatible ("paperweight" on linuxprinting) |
| 04:47.05 | itchi | GenNMX: Mine router/firewall/webserver/database server is also a 233MHz with 160 MB RAM. Works very fine here |
| 04:47.26 | itchi | GenNMX: Cause XP use that much |
| 04:47.39 | GenNMX | itchi: Yeah, my old one was a super-minimalist Slackware on a 500MB HDD |
| 04:47.55 | macogw | i want to DSL that box, but we'd have to get a new printer first |
| 04:48.02 | GenNMX | Used up about 80MB of that 500MB |
| 04:48.18 | nvz | soblue: we're talking actual router boxes not special-purpose propriatary embedded devices |
| 04:48.20 | GenNMX | macogw: Why do you need the printer hooked up to the router? Is that your only XP machine? |
| 04:48.31 | macogw | GenNMX: oh it's not routing |
| 04:48.37 | macogw | i have a real router for that |
| 04:48.45 | nvz | soblue: there are advantages to both, but in the case of a real machine you can update and change the software to your needs |
| 04:48.48 | GenNMX | Ah, it's just a little print server. |
| 04:49.00 | itchi | macogw: Me too, somewhere after my firewall, heh |
| 04:49.04 | macogw | no no it's an in-use computer |
| 04:49.18 | macogw | that's where my brother and sister type their school papers and IM and surf the web |
| 04:49.18 | soblue | nvz: ok, sorry. maybe the cisco bias of my class is showing... |
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| 04:49.33 | itchi | macogw: My compyter firewall i mean |
| 04:50.15 | GenNMX | Goddamit, what happened to the kb daemon... |
| 04:50.34 | macogw | itchi: have a linksys router so it does firewall there too...probably the only reason that unpatched (supposedly xpsp2 totals 6gb, and this is a 5gb disk) comp isnt virus-riddled |
| 04:50.58 | itchi | macogw: Mine too, it's a D-Link, but i not trust that cheap thing |
| 04:51.26 | macogw | itchi: idk about d-links, but linksys have a linux kernel running inside them |
| 04:51.26 | itchi | macogw: And with my old box, i do a 5 in one |
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| 04:51.27 | GenNMX | macogw: SOME Linksys routers |
| 04:51.40 | macogw | GenNMX: not all? |
| 04:51.46 | GenNMX | Some of the newer Linksys WRT54G models use proprietary software |
| 04:51.58 | metbsd | hey |
| 04:52.10 | GenNMX | Can't be flashed to WRT, has huge packet-loss problems |
| 04:52.14 | metbsd | how do i change the apt-get thing so it won't need cdrom |
| 04:52.32 | GenNMX | Then again, two of my Linksys Linux routers have bricked themselves. I think it's the hardware. |
| 04:52.44 | squitijax | metbsd: open /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:52.44 | itchi | metbsd: You need to modify the file /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:52.51 | GenNMX | metbsd: Put a # in front of the entry in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:53.02 | itchi | metbsd: See /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 04:53.39 | itchi | metbsd: You want to take a look to apt-spy too. (and install it maybe) |
| 04:53.46 | soblue | metbsd: I think it can be done in GNOME also via Desktop > Administration > Software Preferences |
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| 04:54.28 | piztek3 | is it possible to start totem in with hidden controls? |
| 04:54.38 | nvz | piztek3: no, I told you that earlier |
| 04:54.57 | nvz | piztek3: either file a wishlistbug preferably with a patch, or use something else like xineui |
| 04:55.03 | macogw | GenNMX: oh ok...well wikipedia says "The WRT54G is notable for being the first consumer-level network device that had its firmware source code released to satisfy the obligations of the GNU GPL." |
| 04:55.03 | piztek3 | doesn't xine do it |
| 04:55.14 | nvz | piztek3: I know for a fact it does it, I use it |
| 04:55.24 | piztek3 | can it start with a hidden player? |
| 04:55.32 | nvz | piztek3: it remembers its state. hide the toolbar when you close it and it wont bring it back |
| 04:55.34 | macogw | GenNMX: it also says the reason new one's cant be flashed to other stuff is that the new ones have less flash memory in there so 3rd party firmware tends not to fit |
| 04:55.40 | nvz | piztek3: I said xineui, not xine anyhow |
| 04:55.45 | piztek3 | does it play wmv |
| 04:55.53 | nvz | piztek3: if you have a codec |
| 04:56.05 | piztek3 | such as? |
| 04:56.08 | GenNMX | macogw: Yes, that's true. But the newer models use proprietary software for some reason, specifically, v5. However, they also released the WRT54GL (basically the v4) and the WRT54GS also runs Linux-based firmware. |
| 04:56.15 | nvz | piztek3: if w32codecs is installed any player will play it |
| 04:56.28 | nvz | piztek3: such as a codec for wmv |
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| 04:56.47 | piztek3 | i have that downloaded |
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| 04:57.02 | macogw | GenNMX: oh well that's good to know. i think id go for a GS anyway for a better chance of getting wifi on the back porch or in the yard |
| 04:57.34 | nvz | piztek3: I know both xineui and mplayer can do that, its one of the main reasons I use them |
| 04:57.43 | itchi | Bubble: Where is Bobble? :-p |
| 04:58.46 | nvz | itchi: where is scratchy? |
| 04:58.57 | itchi | nvz: Yeah! :-p |
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| 04:59.18 | piztek3 | how do i launch xineui |
| 04:59.18 | soblue | where is waldo? |
| 04:59.27 | en1gma | what do i need to do to convert this command for debian "svn co svn://svn.beryl-project.org/beryl/trunk beryl/" |
| 04:59.36 | nvz | where in the world is carmen sandiego? |
| 04:59.39 | ootput | en1gma: ? |
| 04:59.46 | en1gma | yes |
| 04:59.49 | soblue | nvz: touche |
| 04:59.50 | macogw | en1gma: what? that just downloads all the sources |
| 04:59.59 | en1gma | 1 sec wrong paste |
| 05:00.12 | itchi | en1gma: You need 'svn' |
| 05:00.15 | en1gma | svn ls https://svn.generation..no/emerald-themes |
| 05:00.30 | en1gma | i tried to apt-get install svn and there isnt one |
| 05:00.48 | Bubble | itchi: fishing with Bubble Jr. |
| 05:01.20 | itchi | en1gma: You want the 'list' |
| 05:01.29 | itchi | en1gma: svn list ... |
| 05:01.44 | itchi | hehe |
| 05:01.59 | en1gma | CPU-1:/# svn list |
| 05:01.59 | en1gma | bash: svn: command not found |
| 05:01.59 | piztek3 | nvz: gxine doesn't do that(sorry to be a pest)? |
| 05:02.13 | nvz | piztek3: I didn't say gxine, I said xineui |
| 05:02.22 | itchi | en1gma: Try apt-cache search ^subversion |
| 05:02.33 | piztek3 | just asking, sorry |
| 05:02.38 | nvz | piztek3: gxine is annoying just like totem |
| 05:02.43 | piztek3 | nvz: what do you use to play audio |
| 05:02.53 | en1gma | itchi yep a list came up |
| 05:02.59 | en1gma | which one should i install |
| 05:03.07 | itchi | en1gma: svn :-p |
| 05:03.13 | itchi | en1gma: It's the abrevation |
| 05:03.22 | Fetrovsky | hi guyz |
| 05:03.26 | Fetrovsky | i'ma install deb/amd64 |
| 05:03.27 | nvz | piztek3: cplay, its curses-based python frontend to music123, mpg321, mpg123, madplay, ogg123. modplay..etc |
| 05:03.34 | en1gma | kdesdk-kio-plugins - subversion ioslave for KDE |
| 05:03.34 | en1gma | kdesvn - subversion client with tight KDE integration |
| 05:03.42 | Fetrovsky | do I need more than the first DVD for the installation? |
| 05:03.46 | en1gma | i see it |
| 05:03.47 | en1gma | 1 sec |
| 05:04.11 | nvz | piztek3: another reason I like mplayer.. cause it can use ASCII video output plugin, and I can run everything in my screen terminal just the way I like it.. heh |
| 05:04.26 | nvz | piztek3: you know you are a geek when you play videos with aalib |
| 05:04.36 | piztek3 | lol, what's that? |
| 05:04.48 | nvz | piztek3: outputs the video as text.. |
| 05:04.51 | itchi | piztek3: Try it out ;-) |
| 05:04.53 | piztek3 | lol |
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| 05:05.02 | piztek3 | wouldn't know how |
| 05:05.07 | itchi | piztek3: Even TV in ascii :-) |
| 05:05.11 | nvz | piztek3: if you squint or sit like 6 feet or more away it looks just like the image |
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| 05:05.26 | nvz | piztek3: mplayer -vo aa video.avi |
| 05:05.45 | piztek3 | that will display it? |
| 05:05.58 | piztek3 | it doesn't really display the video does it? |
| 05:06.06 | nvz | yep in all text |
| 05:06.16 | piztek3 | i gotta see this |
| 05:06.24 | nvz | real time.. looks kinda like the matrix scrolling at first but then you realize its pictures |
| 05:06.26 | itchi | Arg, i need to go :-s See you laters my lovely guys :-p |
| 05:06.30 | en1gma | svn co svn://svn.beryl-project.org/beryl/trunk beryl/ <<<<does that command install something cause im seeing alot of action in my terminal |
| 05:06.42 | en1gma | i already had beryl installed before i did that command |
| 05:06.52 | piztek3 | oh my GOSH!!!! this is crazy!!!! |
| 05:06.56 | itchi | en1gma: It 'check out' (co) a copy of some stuff |
| 05:07.10 | piztek3 | dude this is nuts!!! |
| 05:07.14 | nvz | piztek3: thats what aalib is for, its a ASCII art library for converting video and images to text |
| 05:07.18 | itchi | piztek3: Yeah! |
| 05:07.31 | piztek3 | hahah! could be used as a cool art tool! |
| 05:07.45 | itchi | piztek3: Try to convert an image to ascii ;-) |
| 05:07.48 | nvz | piztek3: its highly configurable in and of itself.. from contrast to characters used.. |
| 05:07.48 | en1gma | co = download? |
| 05:07.48 | itchi | i'm go go go |
| 05:07.53 | ootput | en1gma: nothing gets installed |
| 05:07.54 | itchi | en1gma: Check Out |
| 05:08.06 | ootput | en1gma: you're checking out sources |
| 05:08.08 | Fetrovsky | uhmm hello? |
| 05:08.08 | itchi | en1gma: See 'svn help' |
| 05:08.11 | en1gma | ok |
| 05:08.13 | Fetrovsky | do I need more than the first DVD for the installation? |
| 05:08.15 | en1gma | thanks |
| 05:08.16 | piztek3 | amazing |
| 05:08.17 | Fetrovsky | i'ma install deb/amd64 |
| 05:08.38 | en1gma | Fetrovsky thats why i running |
| 05:08.53 | ootput | en1gma: http://systhread.net/texts/200607subver.php |
| 05:09.03 | Fetrovsky | you're running coz you don't wanna answe? |
| 05:09.06 | Fetrovsky | answer* |
| 05:09.07 | ootput | please read |
| 05:09.07 | Fetrovsky | xP |
| 05:10.18 | piztek3 | can the splash screen be hidden for xine |
| 05:10.18 | nvz | piztek3: back when I was running on a slower compuer and had learned enough to be more effecient using the keyboard and tab-completion and screen, I began learning to do everything on console.. aalib helps a lot |
| 05:10.18 | soblue | well I'm getting tarred and feathered.. I think I'll go soon |
| 05:10.46 | piztek3 | wild stuff |
| 05:10.50 | nvz | piztek3: yes, its ridculously configurable in the setup screen. |
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| 05:11.09 | en1gma | ootput thnx nice little guide |
| 05:11.16 | ootput | that it is |
| 05:11.17 | ootput | ;) |
| 05:11.20 | piztek3 | I had always heard how powerful linux was, but never really got to use it until I got online with it |
| 05:11.39 | en1gma | i did this very long time ago with cedega but damn it was at least 3-4years ago |
| 05:12.01 | ootput | 3-4 years ago was wine-cvs for me |
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| 05:12.08 | piztek3 | well I hate to say this, but i'm in setup and I can't find the splash screen option anywhere |
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| 05:17.14 | piztek3 | where should I extract these windows32 codecs to? |
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| 05:18.22 | piztek3 | /usr/local/lib/codecs/ |
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| 05:25.52 | vyrus001 | is mirrors.kernel.org down ? |
| 05:26.12 | vyrus001 | if so, can sombody shoot me another apt source ? |
| 05:26.17 | Vasistha | !mirrors |
| 05:26.18 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 05:29.56 | xarquid | did you find a mirror, vyrus001 ? |
| 05:30.16 | vyrus001 | NOPE |
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| 05:30.30 | xarquid | even from the debian.org/mirror/list ? |
| 05:30.34 | vyrus001 | HAVENT LOOKED YET |
| 05:30.38 | vyrus001 | :d |
| 05:30.38 | xarquid | k |
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| 05:43.29 | ghasedak | hi to all |
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| 05:50.40 | piztek3 | nvz: |
| 05:50.42 | piztek3 | you there? |
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| 05:55.13 | jd | Can someone tell me if LUKS encryption is available during the install process of Debian 4.0? |
| 05:55.50 | jd | I know there was something called partman-crypto being worked on but I had someone else tell me that Debian 4.0 was encryption capable at install. |
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| 05:57.03 | Fetrovsky | so howdy guys again |
| 05:57.25 | downhillgames | i have but one simple question. Is there a simple way (adding a repo or so) to make mp3s play with gstreamer in the newest release of Debian? |
| 05:57.26 | Fetrovsky | how do I install the kernel sources into my system? |
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| 05:57.30 | killown | how I do to use smart Read-ahead Cache DVD ? |
| 05:57.31 | Fetrovsky | what's the package name? |
| 05:57.32 | killown | how I do to use smart Read-ahead Cache DVD ? |
| 05:57.40 | downhillgames | Fetrovsky, kernel-source i think |
| 05:57.56 | downhillgames | Fetrovsky, that or kernel-headers =) |
| 05:58.28 | Vasistha | jd: I'm fairly certain it is possible to encrypt a partition at installation time, though I haven't tried it. I remember the installer giving that option, and other people have talked about it here |
| 05:58.56 | downhillgames | Vasistha, there is an option in the latest, yes. |
| 05:59.00 | downhillgames | at install time |
| 05:59.03 | Vasistha | Fetrovsky, downhillgames : nowadays, it's called linux-headers and linux-source |
| 05:59.08 | Fetrovsky | ok i'll give that a try, thanks downhillgames |
| 05:59.15 | downhillgames | Vasistha, guess i'm behind =) |
| 05:59.20 | Fetrovsky | thanks Vasistha |
| 05:59.21 | Fetrovsky | :P |
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| 05:59.24 | downhillgames | sorry :D |
| 05:59.37 | jd | Vasistha: Ok.. Thanks! The partman-crypto page has lead many others to believe that it isn't complete. |
| 05:59.41 | Fetrovsky | hmm |
| 05:59.50 | Fetrovsky | i did a fresh install, and i guess i'm missing mirrors |
| 06:00.02 | Fetrovsky | can somebody throw me a couple? |
| 06:00.07 | Vasistha | !mirrors |
| 06:00.07 | Fetrovsky | i'm not finding many packages |
| 06:00.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 06:00.10 | cafuego | jd: There is crypto in there; I've just noty used it, only seen it's available. |
| 06:00.14 | phizwhiz | what Fetrovsky you want to build a kernel? |
| 06:00.24 | Fetrovsky | thanks :) |
| 06:00.40 | Fetrovsky | phizwhiz: nope, vmware is asking for it |
| 06:00.47 | jd | cafuego: in 4.0 right? |
| 06:01.02 | downhillgames | 4.0 has encryption for partitions at install. |
| 06:01.12 | downhillgames | i just saw it like 4 hours ago. |
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| 06:01.35 | cafuego | jd: yup |
| 06:01.51 | jd | So why is it reported as unstable? |
| 06:01.52 | downhillgames | anyone on my mp3 question? |
| 06:01.53 | jd | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/PartmanCrypto |
| 06:01.59 | phizwhiz | ok |
| 06:02.12 | phizwhiz | ya we're working on it downhillgames |
| 06:02.18 | ootput | any of you using rezound with alsa-out? |
| 06:02.22 | phizwhiz | but my google button is broken |
| 06:02.34 | cafuego | last edited 2006-08-17 |
| 06:02.50 | downhillgames | phizwhiz, nice. if it was asked in #fedora someone would say "use the livna repo" :D was hoping it was that easy |
| 06:02.53 | cafuego | does that answer your question? |
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| 06:03.25 | Vasistha | downhillgames: hmm, I can play mp3s with mplayer, though I don't have gstreamer installed. there's always <debian-multimedia> for codecs (which I do use) |
| 06:03.37 | chacha | hello every one |
| 06:03.38 | downhillgames | mk |
| 06:03.49 | downhillgames | Vasistha, i'll do some apt-cache searches :) thanks. |
| 06:04.32 | downhillgames | well i'm off then. thanks guys. i guess there are packages in the repos ;) |
| 06:04.39 | chacha | how can I identify the underlying distro from my application, like I can check for /etc/debian_version for testing debian based distributions |
| 06:04.58 | chacha | but how can I identify if its ubuntu or debian or debian etch or debian sarge |
| 06:06.41 | Vasistha | chacha: sarge is 3.1, etch is 4.0, and ubuntu won't have an /etc/debian_version |
| 06:07.00 | chacha | Vasistha, ubuntu do have /etc/debian_version |
| 06:07.07 | Vasistha | chacha: what does it say? |
| 06:07.13 | chacha | I have ubuntu 7.04 with me and it says 4.0 |
| 06:07.49 | chacha | can we paste 4 lines here? |
| 06:08.01 | Vasistha | chacha: that is rather annoying. they shouldn't do that. but I guess we can always check the uname -r and the libc versions |
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| 06:08.13 | Vasistha | chacha: 5 gets you kicked, 4 might get you yelled at |
| 06:08.18 | Surtsey | chacha: Do it I'll have dpkg put your head on a pike! |
| 06:08.32 | chacha | :) no I am not going to do that |
| 06:08.49 | Surtsey | !Surtsey |
| 06:08.50 | dpkg | somebody said surtsey was a total hottie |
| 06:08.55 | Surtsey | Good to see you haven't forgotten, baby |
| 06:09.02 | chacha | :0 |
| 06:09.32 | chacha | Vasistha, can you give me uname -r information for sarge and etch? |
| 06:09.41 | chacha | and also libc versions? |
| 06:09.44 | Vasistha | Surtsey: you should be aware that bot factoid vandalism is punshable by banishment ;) |
| 06:09.50 | phizwhiz | Surtsey's been playing with d's pkg |
| 06:09.52 | chacha | so I can check if they conflict with ubuntu 7.04 |
| 06:09.59 | Surtsey | phizwhiz: Like 9 months ago lol |
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| 06:10.36 | phizwhiz | the memory of a good servicing lasts a long time |
| 06:10.37 | Vasistha | chacha: etch is 2.6.18, probably 2.6.18-4, and sarge is 2.6.8 or 2.4.27 (I can't remember if etch has a 2.4 kernel) |
| 06:10.59 | Surtsey | Vasistha: That's hardly vandalism, I'd hate to run into someone who'd ban you for that |
| 06:11.23 | chacha | Vasistha, what do you say if I check either /etc/issue or /etc/issue.net |
| 06:11.55 | Vasistha | Surtsey: well, I don't really know where the line in the sand sits, so I thought I'd let you know |
| 06:12.15 | Vasistha | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 |
| 06:12.24 | Surtsey | Vasistha: Fair enough. I think that's the only one I've fiddled with anyway. |
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| 06:13.08 | Vasistha | Surtsey: updating factoids for useful purposes is encouraged, of course :) |
| 06:13.25 | phizwhiz | it's not as bad as talking about vi keybindings in #emacs |
| 06:13.27 | Surtsey | Vasistha: I'm a troublemaker, the only useful stuff that comes out of me is for my benefit ;) |
| 06:13.31 | chacha | I think checking /etc/issue* would be a good choice to identify the underlying distribution |
| 06:13.34 | Vasistha | Surtsey: in fact, there are quite a few of them that need to be updated since etch went stable |
| 06:13.41 | Vasistha | chacha: what's ubuntu say? |
| 06:13.45 | chacha | Vasistha, thanks for the etch |
| 06:13.55 | chacha | Vasistha, it says Ubuntu 7.04 |
| 06:14.06 | Vasistha | chacha: sarge will almost definitely say the same thing but with 3.1 |
| 06:14.31 | chacha | Vasistha, thanks but it would be good if some one here with sarge can verify it |
| 06:16.30 | Vasistha | chacha: I'll keep an eye out |
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| 06:19.12 | chacha | Vasistha, thanks for your help |
| 06:19.55 | chacha | I wish Ubuntu guys should atleast have modified the version in debian_version |
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| 06:26.35 | phizwhiz | ubuntu is swahili for "couldn't install debian" |
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| 06:29.00 | scx | !test |
| 06:29.00 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 06:29.06 | scx | mmm |
| 06:32.05 | Fetrovsky | i' |
| 06:32.21 | Fetrovsky | i'm deleting like 20 files, each 2GB big, and it's taking quite some time |
| 06:32.29 | Fetrovsky | shouldn't it delete them almost instantly? |
| 06:32.34 | Fetrovsky | it's just 20 anyways |
| 06:33.16 | itchi | Fetrovsky: Play with littler files heh :-p |
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| 06:33.38 | Fetrovsky | itchi: what's that? xP |
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| 06:34.11 | itchi | scx: You think bad |
| 06:34.59 | itchi | scx: I not care and never gona do, doest matter man! |
| 06:35.21 | scx | .- |
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| 06:36.03 | scx | ...childish |
| 06:36.09 | itchi | scx: You, yeah, we saw it |
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| 06:36.21 | itchi | scx: But accusing that i lie, wtf! |
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| 06:36.35 | nitz | Hey I was looking to download debian and I found like 3 dvds |
| 06:36.44 | nitz | Do I need them all or is there a 700mb iso somewhere? |
| 06:37.02 | cat | nitz: just download the first one, |
| 06:37.05 | itchi | nitz: Probably you will be better be donwloading the netinstall cd |
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| 06:37.53 | itchi | nitz: That install the minimum stuff, and then fetch the needed stuff of the net. Probably you gona consume lesser bandwidth that way |
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| 06:39.10 | nitz | debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso is 159mb, would that do it? |
| 06:39.16 | itchi | nitz: Sure |
| 06:39.23 | nitz | And it's bootable? |
| 06:39.35 | itchi | nitz: That too. Have you a wired network btw? |
| 06:39.53 | nitz | I'm just installing it through vmware to play around with it |
| 06:40.04 | nitz | And probably break it once or twice |
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| 06:40.30 | itchi | nitz: oh, i' may say to download the first cd's then or the first DVD |
| 06:40.58 | nitz | Will the netinst give me a gui or command line? |
| 06:41.16 | itchi | nitz: If you plan to play much, i suggest you to make use of apt-proxy or apt-cacher. To avoid bandwidth wasting |
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| 06:41.31 | itchi | nitz: Depend what you want/like, both are there |
| 06:42.03 | nitz | I'll only have to download it once. I want to get used to the distro itself and see what it's like compared to ubuntu and knoppix |
| 06:42.15 | nitz | So I shouldn't be downloading 20gs of stuff |
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| 06:43.24 | itchi | nitz: Yeah, your better with CD or DVD's at thist stage |
| 06:43.42 | nitz | So just the first cd, not the netinst? |
| 06:43.44 | itchi | nitz: Most people only use the first 2 cd's |
| 06:44.10 | itchi | nitz: In your case i should not use the netinstall |
| 06:44.27 | itchi | nitz: Fetch the first 2 cd's |
| 06:44.47 | itchi | nitz: The packages are put as most used on the first cd's |
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| 06:45.27 | itchi | nitz: There's a tool 'popcon' that look which stuff is the most popular and the help to define which stuff on wich cd |
| 06:45.31 | Vasistha | why not let the netinstall cd do its magic while running within vmware on another distro? will it not get net access? |
| 06:45.46 | itchi | let's make some noise |
| 06:45.49 | itchi | !popcon |
| 06:45.50 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:46.28 | itchi | Vasistha: Should be not a problem |
| 06:46.34 | JeffH | if I take a dd image of each of my partitions can I restore those images at a later time? |
| 06:46.48 | nitz | Yeah I'm really just looking for the bare min |
| 06:46.49 | itchi | JeffH: Sure, that's the goal of it :-p |
| 06:47.39 | itchi | nitz: The way it goes is the same, just that you download all the required packages of the net with the netinstall |
| 06:47.40 | Vasistha | scx: heh, I thought you were busy haunting itchi, who never seems to have known people who call tech support |
| 06:47.43 | scx | JeffH: There are better ways to do it |
| 06:48.06 | scx | JeffH: dd make a copy of the hole disk including empty space |
| 06:48.07 | Vasistha | scx: why take a dd image? is it ntfs or something? |
| 06:48.14 | scx | JeffH: better use partimage |
| 06:48.35 | itchi | tar it! |
| 06:49.04 | scx | that's fool, you'd tar empty space too |
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| 06:49.36 | scx | Vasistha: PArtimage sais the NTFS support is experimental but havn't see any problems this far |
| 06:50.08 | Vasistha | scx: erm, oops, bad tab-completion before, I meant to say something to Jeff |
| 06:50.25 | JeffH | thanks for the info. |
| 06:50.58 | scx | JeffH: Using dd, a disk 80 GB will generate of 80GB |
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| 06:51.23 | scx | JeffH: but if 10 GB used, the image will be about 7GB |
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| 06:51.32 | scx | and will restore the 80 GB's |
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| 06:57.12 | spheard | where are the logs for this channell |
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| 06:58.21 | itchi | spheard: See /msg dpkg #debian logs |
| 06:58.47 | scx | ehm... |
| 06:59.02 | itchi | Arg, links should be updated :-s |
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| 06:59.21 | itchi | spheard: Ask dondelelcaro about it |
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| 07:00.29 | bokey | itchi, you know any good speech recognition? |
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| 07:00.46 | itchi | bokey: 'Good'? no |
| 07:00.58 | bokey | itchi, well something that just works |
| 07:01.02 | bokey | um... |
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| 07:02.02 | itchi | bokey: I tried this 2 days back, but i not yet have got it working buahaha :-p http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/sphinx4/ |
| 07:02.19 | spheard | http://debstats.dontexist.org/ - I found this |
| 07:02.21 | itchi | bokey: You want a speech to text or a text to speech? |
| 07:02.38 | Xires | is the kernel.org mirror down? |
| 07:02.42 | bokey | itchi, speech -> text |
| 07:03.02 | spheard | bokey - I tried the vista one the other day |
| 07:03.09 | scx | Xires: No |
| 07:03.22 | bokey | spheard, heh |
| 07:03.23 | spheard | probably the most annoying thing in the universe |
| 07:03.46 | itchi | bokey: If you find a nice one, give a sign heh :-p |
| 07:03.52 | Xires | scx; has it changed or something? I've got 2 boxes trying to update package lists & both are stuck on attempting to connect to mirrors.kernel.org |
| 07:03.58 | bokey | itchi, voxforge, http://www.voxforge.org ? |
| 07:04.04 | bokey | itchi, yup i will. |
| 07:04.09 | bokey | !voxforge |
| 07:04.23 | Vasistha | Xires: someone else was complaining about that earlier, so I'm not really sure what's up. /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 07:04.40 | Xires | Vasistha; ty |
| 07:04.40 | spheard | dondelelcaro, where are the #debian logs? |
| 07:05.11 | Fetrovsky | i run vmware |
| 07:05.14 | Fetrovsky | but i get this message |
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| 07:05.23 | Fetrovsky | Unable to change virtual machine power state: Failed to connect to peer process. |
| 07:05.26 | Fetrovsky | why could that be? |
| 07:06.27 | scx | Fetrovsky: mmm Maybe you should take a look to #vmware |
| 07:06.39 | Fetrovsky | scx: i am |
| 07:06.45 | Fetrovsky | but they don't seem to be awake |
| 07:06.59 | itchi | Fetrovsky: Is that with vmware-server? |
| 07:07.05 | scx | Fetrovsky: I think they just dunno :P |
| 07:07.15 | Fetrovsky | since i'm running deb/amd64 and it ran fine on deb/i386 i thought someone here would know |
| 07:07.27 | Fetrovsky | itchi: no, i'm running vmware |
| 07:07.32 | Vasistha | Fetrovsky: yeah, just let the question sit there for a while, hopefully someone will get to it in an hour |
| 07:07.34 | Fetrovsky | (that's the binary) |
| 07:07.35 | itchi | Fetrovsky: Workstation then? |
| 07:07.40 | Fetrovsky | yeah |
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| 07:08.11 | itchi | Fetrovsky: On wich level get you that error message? |
| 07:08.16 | itchi | Fetrovsky: I never got that :-s |
| 07:08.23 | itchi | have* |
| 07:08.34 | scx | Fetrovsky: I see many related info in Google... |
| 07:08.51 | Fetrovsky | itchi: what do you mean on which level? |
| 07:08.59 | Fetrovsky | when I "hit play" heh |
| 07:09.02 | Fetrovsky | when i start the vm |
| 07:09.03 | scx | he thinks you get that in the host |
| 07:09.15 | scx | but it is in the player |
| 07:09.18 | Fetrovsky | i get that in the host computer |
| 07:09.19 | Fetrovsky | yes |
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| 07:09.23 | Fetrovsky | not inside the vm |
| 07:09.41 | scx | Fetrovsky: err, I mean the VM |
| 07:09.47 | scx | right |
| 07:09.49 | Fetrovsky | ah :) |
| 07:09.54 | itchi | Fetrovsky: Is it installed on a GNU/Linux box? |
| 07:09.58 | Fetrovsky | yeah |
| 07:10.37 | Fetrovsky | it's a debian 4 on amd64 |
| 07:10.45 | itchi | That's really crazy http://peterdedecker.net/blog/index.php/2005/11/25/vmware_troubles |
| 07:11.02 | Fetrovsky | oh wait |
| 07:11.04 | Fetrovsky | you know what? |
| 07:11.05 | itchi | Fetrovsky: Not do what he did he! |
| 07:11.13 | Fetrovsky | i believe vmware installed some kernel modules |
| 07:11.20 | Fetrovsky | i think if i reboot it'll probably be fine |
| 07:11.29 | scx | Fetrovsky: My friend tell me to look here: http://jrandomhacker.info/VMware_troubleshooting |
| 07:11.43 | scx | Fetrovsky: Maybe it is a permissions issue with the pipe |
| 07:12.17 | scx | Fetrovsky: run: /etc/init.d/vmware start |
| 07:12.30 | Fetrovsky | asr oot? |
| 07:12.32 | Fetrovsky | as root? |
| 07:12.35 | scx | Fetrovsky: sure |
| 07:12.43 | scx | the service was just not running |
| 07:12.46 | Fetrovsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.52 | Fetrovsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.52 | Fetrovsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.54 | scx | Fetrovsky: reasons? |
| 07:12.57 | Fetrovsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.57 | scx | o |
| 07:12.59 | Fetrovsky | no reasons |
| 07:13.07 | Fetrovsky | all those failed, the rest "done" |
| 07:13.20 | scx | Fetrovsky: Did you update kernel? |
| 07:13.37 | itchi | Fetrovsky: Rerun that vmware-config.pl script |
| 07:13.59 | Fetrovsky | yeah now vmware is telling me to run that script whereas before it didn't |
| 07:14.02 | Fetrovsky | i'll run it |
| 07:14.15 | Fetrovsky | itchi: yes i updated hte kernel |
| 07:14.33 | itchi | Fetrovsky: You need to rebuild these vmmon modules with that script then |
| 07:14.43 | Fetrovsky | oh ok |
| 07:14.43 | Fetrovsky | btw |
| 07:14.45 | scx | Fetrovsky: http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware |
| 07:14.46 | Fetrovsky | i got this other thing |
| 07:14.49 | Fetrovsky | where can I paste? |
| 07:14.55 | scx | Fetrovsky: run that script again |
| 07:16.06 | scx | !paste |
| 07:16.06 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 07:16.06 | Fetrovsky | http://paste.debian.net/28888 |
| 07:16.06 | Fetrovsky | i got this as soon as i run the vmware-config script |
| 07:16.06 | scx | Fetrovsky: Try the http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update109.tar.gz |
| 07:16.12 | scx | Fetrovsky: Instead of the one you already run |
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| 07:16.28 | itchi | Fetrovsky: Yeah, you need that any to any patch |
| 07:17.01 | Fetrovsky | Unknown VMware version 4 is installed. This installer supports only version 2 |
| 07:17.01 | Fetrovsky | and 3. |
| 07:17.07 | Fetrovsky | i got version 6 running |
| 07:17.39 | itchi | Fetrovsky: Heh, did you pay that vmware? :-) |
| 07:17.42 | Fetrovsky | about those libraries missing... |
| 07:17.44 | Fetrovsky | hahah |
| 07:17.46 | itchi | Fetrovsky: Cause vmware-server is free to use |
| 07:17.52 | Fetrovsky | i'm on the trial period |
| 07:18.12 | itchi | Fetrovsky: Fetch that vmware-server then, you need a key to, but that's free |
| 07:18.13 | scx | Fetrovsky: run the perl script I sent you |
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| 07:19.17 | scx | Fetrovsky: and when finished, do: chkconfig --add vmware |
| 07:19.26 | Fetrovsky | i can't |
| 07:19.31 | Fetrovsky | it says it's only for versions 2 and 3 |
| 07:19.33 | Fetrovsky | then it bails |
| 07:19.38 | Fetrovsky | i got version 6 |
| 07:19.53 | scx | Fetrovsky: The perl script? |
| 07:19.54 | itchi | Fetrovsky: Take that other version, like you use that trial one ... |
| 07:20.59 | scx | Fetrovsky: This one: http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update109.tar.gz |
| 07:22.01 | Fetrovsky | same thing |
| 07:22.16 | Fetrovsky | onlyfor 2 and 3 |
| 07:22.29 | Fetrovsky | but vmware was working on debian/i386... that's the weird part |
| 07:22.45 | scx | Fetrovsky: ask dpkg about vmware |
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| 07:23.07 | scx | Fetrovsky: Yah, but seems the instalation is broken |
| 07:23.12 | itchi | Fetrovsky: You got a new kernel that where compiled with gcc version X that is now incompatible i guess |
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| 07:23.25 | Fetrovsky | Package `vmware' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 07:23.44 | scx | Yes if kernel was updated you need fresh install |
| 07:23.51 | Fetrovsky | oh |
| 07:23.59 | Fetrovsky | let me try |
| 07:24.07 | nevyn | you just need to run vmware-configure.pl |
| 07:24.07 | scx | from scratch |
| 07:25.14 | Fetrovsky | did you see the paste? |
| 07:25.19 | Fetrovsky | i get an error saying i need those libs |
| 07:25.26 | Fetrovsky | but i checked /usr/lib and they're there |
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| 07:26.31 | itchi | Fetrovsky: Remove it completely, and reinstall it |
| 07:26.44 | Fetrovsky | that's what i did |
| 07:26.50 | Fetrovsky | it's building the kern modules right now |
| 07:27.48 | Fetrovsky | it says to run /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl again |
| 07:27.57 | scx | Fetrovsky: don't |
| 07:28.02 | Fetrovsky | and then i get the complaint about the libraries |
| 07:28.06 | Fetrovsky | ok |
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| 07:28.18 | scx | Fetrovsky: use the vmware-config.pl but from the package I sent you |
| 07:28.26 | itchi | Fetrovsky: Do you plan to buy an license? |
| 07:28.43 | reber | hi. Anyone here knows about snmpd/snmpwalk ? I get a timeout on snmpwalk with this conf :http://pastebin.ca/511080 |
| 07:28.44 | JeffH | if I do an 'apt-get install postgresql' when using etch what version of postgresql do I get? |
| 07:28.49 | Fetrovsky | i get a runme.pl |
| 07:28.50 | Fetrovsky | is that it? |
| 07:29.02 | Fetrovsky | itchi: i'm thinking about that |
| 07:29.06 | scx | Fetrovsky: run the ./runme |
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| 07:29.16 | Fetrovsky | Unknown VMware version 4 is installed. This installer supports only version 2 |
| 07:29.16 | Fetrovsky | and 3. |
| 07:29.19 | Vasistha | !info postgresql |
| 07:29.22 | itchi | JeffH: apt-cache show bla |
| 07:29.24 | dpkg | postgresql: (object-relational SQL database (latest version)), section misc, is optional. Version: 8.2.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 163 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 07:29.41 | Vasistha | harumph. dpkg runs sid :P |
| 07:30.03 | Vasistha | *an |
| 07:30.08 | JeffH | itchi: I don't have etch installed.. so I can't do that. |
| 07:30.09 | Vasistha | damn, that looks stupid :) |
| 07:30.14 | Fetrovsky | :) |
| 07:30.14 | itchi | Vasistha: You can tell him to look to another release |
| 07:30.21 | scx | Fetrovsky: I told you to run my script not the default one... |
| 07:30.33 | Fetrovsky | scx: i did that |
| 07:30.35 | Vasistha | JeffH: I tend to use packages.debian.org anyway |
| 07:30.37 | Fetrovsky | i ran runme.pl |
| 07:30.41 | Fetrovsky | from the file you sent me |
| 07:30.49 | itchi | JeffH: On the web too http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 07:30.57 | scx | Fetrovsky: told you ./runme |
| 07:31.09 | scx | .me fly away... |
| 07:31.10 | Fetrovsky | yeah |
| 07:31.16 | Fetrovsky | that's what i did |
| 07:31.18 | reber | Does anyone here knows about snmpd/snmpwalk ? I get a timeout on snmpwalk with this conf :http://pastebin.ca/511080 |
| 07:31.18 | Fetrovsky | ./runme.pl |
| 07:31.39 | Fetrovsky | there's no other runme.pl in my system |
| 07:31.58 | itchi | reber: Sorry, no i dunno about it :-s |
| 07:32.08 | reber | itchi, ok |
| 07:32.27 | reber | weird that the default config file doesnt work with snmpwalk |
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| 07:33.05 | itchi | reber: Did you read the docs provided with the package? |
| 07:33.11 | reber | yep |
| 07:33.24 | reber | tried various conf too |
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| 07:38.15 | Chameleon22 | any ideas why I would get "GRUB Hard Disk Error" at boot after install (yes I do have a hardware RAID on the mobo) |
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| 07:39.33 | SkareCrow | Hello, I was wondering if there is a command on debian that lets you select from a list of sources for apt? |
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| 07:40.03 | SkareCrow | there is netselect-apt but you have to download that, i have a base install and selected no network mirror and now my sources are set to cdrom |
| 07:40.19 | scx | !tell SkareCrow about aptitude |
| 07:40.43 | Chameleon22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.44 | Chameleon22 | :'( |
| 07:40.50 | SkareCrow | i hate aptitude |
| 07:40.57 | Vasistha | !why aptitude |
| 07:40.57 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 07:41.29 | Vasistha | !mirrors |
| 07:41.29 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 07:41.31 | scx | !why not aptitude |
| 07:41.31 | dpkg | aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. |
| 07:41.32 | dude_ | hello |
| 07:41.52 | Vasistha | SkareCrow: just check out the mirror list and pick one that's geographically close. Do you know how to add a source to your sources.list ? |
| 07:41.59 | scx | SkareCrow: There's kpackage too |
| 07:42.04 | dude_ | i try to boot a new kernel using grub and fallback stuff.. but it keeps booting my old kernel.. how can i debug whats letting the first kernel from booting properly ? |
| 07:42.06 | scx | never tried tho |
| 07:42.09 | SkareCrow | i know how to add them |
| 07:42.17 | SkareCrow | just wanst sure if there is a command to get a list of mirrors or what |
| 07:42.24 | SkareCrow | where do i get a list of mirrors? |
| 07:42.34 | Vasistha | SkareCrow: from that factoid I referenced up there |
| 07:42.45 | SkareCrow | i hate aptitude's UI |
| 07:42.52 | SkareCrow | oh |
| 07:42.56 | scx | SkareCrow: (read above) |
| 07:42.56 | SkareCrow | i see, sorry missed that one |
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| 07:43.32 | cahoot | simply use it CLI then |
| 07:43.38 | SkareCrow | !apt-setup |
| 07:43.39 | dpkg | i heard apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in etch and later since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
| 07:43.48 | scx | !pvt |
| 07:43.56 | SkareCrow | apt-setup does not exist |
| 07:44.20 | scx | !pvt is <reply>You can also ask me in pvt so that I don't have to flood. Use /msg dpkg |
| 07:44.21 | dpkg | okay, scx |
| 07:44.23 | Vasistha | SkareCrow: yup -- gone from etch and later |
| 07:44.36 | SkareCrow | ahh :( |
| 07:44.41 | Vasistha | SkareCrow: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 07:44.43 | SkareCrow | lol, why is everything gone in etch? |
| 07:45.19 | SkareCrow | alright i will just do that then get netselect-apt |
| 07:45.47 | scx | apt-spy |
| 07:45.51 | scx | !apt-spy |
| 07:45.51 | dpkg | i heard apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 07:45.58 | scx | argg... |
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| 07:46.06 | scx | I hate those huge outputs... |
| 07:47.03 | SkareCrow | i dont like etch |
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| 07:48.00 | SkareCrow | i liked sarge, everything i want seems to be gone in etch |
| 07:48.25 | cahoot | like apt-setup? |
| 07:48.34 | SkareCrow | never used it before but yea |
| 07:48.43 | SkareCrow | now that i know its there i wish it wasnt gone |
| 07:48.44 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 07:49.15 | cahoot | anything else vital (for you) missing? |
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| 07:49.50 | Feto_ | ok i got the fix |
| 07:49.50 | Feto_ | apt-get install ia32-libs |
| 07:49.51 | SkareCrow | i wish php5 was there |
| 07:49.51 | Vasistha | geez. etch is so much nicer. for the first time in four years, everything on my laptop works. |
| 07:49.55 | cahoot | but it is in sarge? |
| 07:50.00 | SkareCrow | no |
| 07:50.01 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 07:50.17 | cahoot | you don't make much sense really |
| 07:50.21 | SkareCrow | there are some other packages that i will remember here in a little while |
| 07:50.42 | Fetrovsky | itchi: did you read me? |
| 07:50.44 | SkareCrow | i just cant remember the package names right now i am working on like 5 different things and talking to 5 different people at the same time |
| 07:50.46 | Chameleon22 | any ideas why I would get "GRUB Hard Disk Error" at boot after install (yes I do have a hardware RAID built into the mobo) |
| 07:51.00 | Fetrovsky | and who was the other guy? |
| 07:51.06 | Vasistha | Chameleon22: initrd not set up properly? |
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| 07:51.45 | itchi | Fetrovsky: Sorry, was away |
| 07:51.51 | SkareCrow | why is ftp.us.debian.org so slow all the time? |
| 07:51.53 | Fetrovsky | itchi: i fixed the problem |
| 07:52.06 | itchi | Fetrovsky: Great ;-) |
| 07:52.07 | SkareCrow | well, its fine after it gets going but just conecting some times takes like 3 minutes |
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| 07:52.23 | Fetrovsky | apt-get install ia32-libs |
| 07:52.25 | Fetrovsky | =) |
| 07:52.29 | Chameleon22 | Vasistha, ummm no idea how to fix it, i did nothing different to other 2 servers i built. Installer or grub rather seems to hate RAID |
| 07:52.50 | Vasistha | SkareCrow: probably too many people use it as a default instead of picking a closer mirror. I live in Los Angeles, so I use a mirror that's in LA |
| 07:52.52 | Fetrovsky | now i need to fix the sound again |
| 07:52.58 | Fetrovsky | my gnome is not sounding |
| 07:53.11 | SkareCrow | well i always use netselect-apt |
| 07:53.23 | SkareCrow | i really dont like it some times though, give me sources that some times aint very reliable |
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| 07:53.43 | itchi | Fetrovsky: Hmm, a amd64 trouble |
| 07:53.56 | Fetrovsky | oh is that so? |
| 07:54.03 | Vasistha | SkareCrow: I honestly haven't had the best results with netselect-apt ... dunno why; maybe it's improved since then, but I just look for something geographically close that's not overloaded |
| 07:54.04 | Fetrovsky | coz i had the same thing on i386 and i fixed it |
| 07:54.09 | Fetrovsky | i hope i can here too |
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| 07:54.24 | itchi | Fetrovsky: I dunno, i'm looking what that package is |
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| 07:54.45 | Fetrovsky | ahh you're talking about the vmware thing |
| 07:54.51 | Fetrovsky | yeah it was an amd64 problem |
| 07:55.00 | Fetrovsky | i'm having problems with the sound now on gnome |
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| 07:55.29 | itchi | Fetrovsky: You may look to /msg dpkg alsa |
| 07:55.53 | Fetrovsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.57 | itchi | Fetrovsky: I need to go, see you latters ;-) |
| 07:55.58 | Fetrovsky | ahah |
| 07:56.01 | Fetrovsky | ok |
| 07:56.03 | Fetrovsky | take it easy |
| 07:56.05 | Fetrovsky | and thanks a lot |
| 07:56.05 | Fetrovsky | ! |
| 07:56.16 | itchi | Fetrovsky: No probs, you're welcome ;-) |
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| 08:00.14 | Vasistha | like, a hackey sack? |
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| 08:01.11 | xarquid | Is anything special required to access Xen terminals/machines (i.e. a client)? |
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| 08:02.07 | scx | xarquid: Starting for booting a Xen kernel? |
| 08:02.07 | Vasistha | I should hope not -- the idea is to make a usable server, right? |
| 08:02.10 | xarquid | Well, so I boot the kernel locally too? |
| 08:02.16 | xarquid | k |
| 08:02.17 | scx | Vasistha: Yah, the same thing |
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| 08:03.11 | xarquid | ah, ok |
| 08:03.14 | rcbarnes | I want to export a folder, but block access to a sub-folder. There's an option that I can use to export that folder as inaccessable, that corresponds to the rw,ro,???... What is it? |
| 08:03.16 | xarquid | the servers are not local |
| 08:03.22 | cafuego | xarquid: No, you just need a xen kernel and start a domU |
| 08:03.45 | Fetrovsky | my speaker shows with a little cross |
| 08:03.59 | scx | Fetrovsky: right click ---> mute |
| 08:04.01 | Vasistha | rcbarnes: well, if the subfolder is a mounted partition, you can block mounted partitions; other than that, I think you'll have to chmod the subfolder to disallow access |
| 08:04.18 | xarquid | so start the domU on the remote machine? |
| 08:04.23 | Fetrovsky | scx: hey how you doing? i fixed the vmware thingy |
| 08:04.31 | Fetrovsky | the speaker is not muted (mute not checked) |
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| 08:04.59 | Fetrovsky | double click in the speaker and i get this: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 08:04.59 | scx | Fetrovsky: You reinstalled the libs and all that right? |
| 08:05.00 | cafuego | xarquid: Well first youboot xen with a xen kernel. That's your dom0. Then you install (debootstrap, whatever) the domU. |
| 08:05.03 | Fetrovsky | yeah ia32-libs |
| 08:05.16 | scx | Fetrovsky: try alsamixer in a console |
| 08:05.18 | rcbarnes | Vasistha: oh |
| 08:05.26 | xarquid | ah ok |
| 08:05.35 | Fetrovsky | i actually got audacious to play something |
| 08:05.38 | xarquid | wasn't familiar, just have a new employer who uses xen |
| 08:05.40 | Fetrovsky | and alsamixer shows levels |
| 08:05.47 | cafuego | if you've never done that before, try it locally first |
| 08:05.56 | Vasistha | rcbarnes: I'm not 100% sure of all that ... someone might know a way ... but I also might be right ;) |
| 08:06.44 | Fetrovsky | but the speaker in gnome still shows an "x" |
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| 08:07.06 | rcbarnes | Vasistha: I think you are right |
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| 08:07.43 | scx | xarquid: http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfcontent/private.php?reference_id=2701&content=/library/Virtualization%20with%20XEN/xen_tech_preview_09dec2005.pdf |
| 08:08.36 | cafuego | Fetrovsky: Right click it and unmute |
| 08:08.39 | rcbarnes | how do I get the userid of a user? |
| 08:08.59 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: id |
| 08:09.13 | scx | finger too |
| 08:09.17 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: ah |
| 08:09.20 | rcbarnes | thanks |
| 08:09.25 | cafuego | rcbarnes: getent passwd <user> | awk -F: '{print $3}' |
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| 08:10.18 | Fetrovsky | cafuego: it's not muted... |
| 08:10.42 | Fetrovsky | double-click still says No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 08:10.51 | Fetrovsky | and properties still gives an error too |
| 08:10.52 | cafuego | Is the cross just part of the icon? Like on the left side of the speaker? |
| 08:11.00 | Fetrovsky | s/propeties/preferences/ |
| 08:11.58 | scx | Fetrovsky: Gnome? |
| 08:12.13 | Fetrovsky | scx: yes |
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| 08:18.06 | rcbarnes | thanks scx and cafuego for the alternate ideas :-D |
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| 08:24.17 | rcbarnes | Is there a way to make my export resolve the symlinks they export so the machine opening them doesn't get confused and think the link to /storage/cold/tv is a reference to some local directory? |
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| 08:25.14 | Vasistha | rcbarnes: use relative paths rather than absolute paths in your symlinks -- of course that'll only work if the links don't go under the export point |
| 08:26.25 | rcbarnes | Vasistha: the problem with that is that I use absolute paths so I can move/copy/link the symlink folder around safely |
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| 08:26.57 | Chameleon22 | does Debian have issues installing GRUB on RAID enabled devices? |
| 08:27.05 | scx | isn't there also something in the config to allow symlinks? |
| 08:27.11 | Chameleon22 | err on hardware with RAID controllers to be exact |
| 08:28.33 | rcbarnes | Chameleon22: I had a problem with it on my 3ware 9650 and have to use LILO |
| 08:28.33 | rcbarnes | so it may well have such an issue |
| 08:28.42 | Chameleon22 | rcbarnes, lilo worked fine? |
| 08:28.56 | rcbarnes | perfectly |
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| 08:29.50 | scx | Chameleon22: Maybe you could create a /boot partition |
| 08:30.14 | Chameleon22 | scx, reason ? |
| 08:30.44 | Chameleon22 | rcbarnes, i have latest debian netinst - can i choose to go with lilo instead of grub ? or do i need something extra ? |
| 08:31.04 | scx | Chameleon22: 1: It is always a good idea 2) It works for me 3) I've not tried RAID alone :p |
| 08:31.32 | rcbarnes | it was on my install disk, Chameleon22 |
| 08:31.42 | Chameleon22 | scx, heh meh will try, not like i have anything to loose |
| 08:32.31 | rcbarnes | scx, Chameleon22: YMMV, but I have everything in one partition (/) and no initrd (the latter really speed up boot times) |
| 08:33.35 | scx | yah... not a very plausible option then |
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| 08:35.35 | Chameleon22 | rcbarnes, okies well reinstall time |
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| 08:36.13 | wid | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.28 | wid | oups |
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| 08:38.43 | SoulChild | Hey All,.... I need your HELP |
| 08:38.58 | Vasistha | then just ask your questio |
| 08:38.59 | Vasistha | n |
| 08:39.20 | scx | SoulChild: Just shot |
| 08:39.36 | Vasistha | *shoot :) |
| 08:39.37 | SoulChild | i have etch installed and i use acpi, but when i press the power button on my notebook, my gnome freezes, |
| 08:39.51 | scx | Vasistha: ^^ |
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| 08:40.22 | SoulChild | before debian used to halt but somehow it doesn't work anymore,... are there any logs i could check ? |
| 08:40.53 | dutchfish | dmesg, syslog? |
| 08:41.09 | scx | SoulChild: Does t happens only with Gnome or also in tty or KDE? |
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| 08:41.23 | SoulChild | scx: in tty nothing happens |
| 08:41.35 | scx | but no freze |
| 08:41.37 | scx | ee |
| 08:41.44 | foo | Hm, is the ServerLimit default 256 for apache in the debian etch repository? |
| 08:42.18 | Vasistha | SoulChild: have you checked the linux laptop sites to find other people who are using the same model laptop with linux, and read their reports on acpi? |
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| 08:43.07 | scx | That reminds me... Is it someway I can see the computer's power usage? |
| 08:43.16 | SoulChild | Vasistha: yes,... it should work,... actually it did, but i reinstalled acpi and tried other powermanagers and now ,... it doens't work anymore |
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| 08:43.24 | scx | maybe with a UPS service if I had such thing |
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| 08:43.36 | scx | but I don't |
| 08:43.57 | Impiety | could anyone here tell me what the best remote desktop method is? |
| 08:44.01 | Vasistha | SoulChild: ...so... do you remember what you did to break it, or are you coming here because you don't know how to undo the breaking? |
| 08:44.10 | SoulChild | Vasistha: i FOunt following message i dmesg: Asus Laptop ACPI Extras version 0.30 unsupported model A3E, trying default values |
| 08:44.42 | scx | Impiety: The best that suits you, ssh might be if the connection is 100% trustfull |
| 08:44.48 | SoulChild | Vasistha: i don't know how to undo,.. maybe i removed some important packages |
| 08:44.59 | Impiety | i tried freenx, and i couldn't get it to work |
| 08:45.16 | Vasistha | !vnc setup |
| 08:45.16 | dpkg | well, vnc setup is Install x11vnc on the remote host and a vnc viewer on the local computer; Locally: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 <remotehost>; Remote run: x11vnc -display :0; Locally: vncviewer localhost; that's it! vnc securely tunneled over ssh! |
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| 08:45.32 | Impiety | hrm |
| 08:45.34 | Impiety | i'll try that one |
| 08:45.46 | Impiety | and get rid of freenx |
| 08:45.49 | scx | vnc however is far from being the best |
| 08:45.51 | Impiety | because that was not working at all |
| 08:46.01 | Impiety | hrm |
| 08:46.04 | Impiety | i think i should just give up |
| 08:46.12 | jintxo | hi I'd like to scan my installed packages for any missing files on the filesystem (recovered from disk problems), does apt have an option for comparing if what is on disk is the same as what's in the db? |
| 08:46.14 | Impiety | I don't need it, i just wanted to play with it |
| 08:46.17 | Vasistha | SoulChild: damn. the other thing that you might have done is to install some non-debian packages that could also mess things up -- did you compile any tarballs, or download any .deb's from unofficial sources? And while we're at it, what version of debian are you using? check /etc/issue |
| 08:47.01 | scx | or installed *buntu pkgs |
| 08:47.15 | Vasistha | scx: people do that, huh? |
| 08:47.25 | scx | Vasistha: ha ha |
| 08:47.31 | SoulChild | Vasistha: i use etch stable, yes i compiled a printer driver but it didn't work so i removed again, but that shouldn't be the problem,...i ll check that log now |
| 08:47.42 | ma3x | ma3x@ma3x:~/stuff/gpac/bin$ ./MP4Box -add /home/ma3x/short.avi mencoder.mp4 |
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| 08:47.46 | ma3x | *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (top): 0x0000000000525450 *** |
| 08:47.53 | ma3x | what does that mean |
| 08:48.00 | ma3x | that glibc detected double free or corruption |
| 08:48.11 | SoulChild | Vasistha: ohh u mean the version: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
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| 08:48.34 | Vasistha | SoulChild: yeah, excellent, that means you're using debian and not lying to us and using ubuntu :) |
| 08:48.40 | hackmiker | is xgl not in the lenny repository? |
| 08:48.46 | Vasistha | !pdo |
| 08:48.47 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 08:48.56 | hackmiker | tee hee |
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| 08:50.25 | |DuReX| | I'm having problems to compile eggdrop on my 64bit debian, any id how i can fix it ? i'm getting tons of errors |
| 08:50.26 | SoulChild | Vasistha: hehe i used ubuntu 2 month ago, but now i changed,... and i love it,... debian is great |
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| 08:50.30 | |DuReX| | userent.c:681: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules |
| 08:50.30 | tarzeau | anyone play world of padman? |
| 08:50.31 | |DuReX| | etc :( |
| 08:50.33 | scx | !good boy |
| 08:50.34 | dpkg | scx: :) |
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| 08:52.13 | MasterGH | hi, could someone help me with fonts? after doing a Debian install, when there is small text, it looks really jaggered. Is there a way I could fix this? |
| 08:52.38 | tarzeau | MasterGH: screenshot? |
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| 08:53.00 | MasterGH | ok I'll make one |
| 08:53.01 | MasterGH | just a sec |
| 08:53.07 | wols | MasterGH: small text where? |
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| 08:53.21 | scx | MasterGH: in tty or Gnome or KDE? |
| 08:53.29 | MasterGH | in Iceweasel/firefox |
| 08:53.31 | Vasistha | MasterGH: turn the antialias hinting up to the max |
| 08:53.32 | MasterGH | Xfce |
| 08:53.43 | scx | MasterGH: Ctrl ++ |
| 08:53.47 | MasterGH | ok |
| 08:53.48 | Vasistha | !tell SoulChild about laptops |
| 08:53.48 | |DuReX| | somebody that can help me with eggdrop on 64bit ? |
| 08:54.25 | NetEcho | just compile it like any other eggdrop |
| 08:54.41 | NetEcho | even 64bit distros can run 32bit apps |
| 08:54.45 | Vasistha | SoulChild: see if you can find someone using your same model laptop with a guide page on one of those sites ... and you'd also probably be best advised to test this in single-user mode, so you don't have many services running if the system hangs |
| 08:54.59 | |DuReX| | NetEcho: yea but get those weird errors then, it compiles, it can run the eggdrop, but on linking with other bot it crashes |
| 08:55.13 | MasterGH | so I should just make the text bigger to? or use a dpkg-reconfigure command to fix it? |
| 08:55.14 | ma3x | how can I install mp4box on debian? |
| 08:55.15 | tarzeau | where's the debian enterprise place? |
| 08:55.20 | SoulChild | Vasistha: okay thanks for all |
| 08:55.23 | NetEcho | then the library it needs isnt installed or is incompatible |
| 08:55.27 | daniele_982 | hello all i've a problem with Sid and vmware when i search to install it i've this message:Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "4.1.2", while you are trying to use |
| 08:55.27 | daniele_982 | "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.1.3". This configuration is not recommended and |
| 08:55.28 | daniele_982 | VMware Server may crash if you'll continue. Please try to use exactly same |
| 08:55.28 | daniele_982 | compiler as one used for building your kernel. Do you want to go with compiler |
| 08:55.28 | daniele_982 | "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.1.3" anyway? [no] |
| 08:55.28 | *** kick/#debian [daniele_982!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 08:55.39 | NetEcho | find out what libs it needs for linking with other bots and compile it in 32bit |
| 08:55.40 | Vasistha | SoulChild: you're welcome; sorry I don't actually have any real-world experience with it :) |
| 08:55.48 | scx | MasterGH If it is just FF no need |
| 08:55.57 | NetEcho | anyway I'm out |
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| 08:57.00 | daniele_982 | hello i've a problem when i searh to install vmware server with dedian sid: http://paste.debian.net/28890 |
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| 08:57.09 | MasterGH | scx : its mostly in FF, but it also happens to smallish text everywhere |
| 08:57.30 | daniele_982 | someoone can help me? |
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| 08:57.50 | Vasistha | !wait |
| 08:57.51 | dpkg | If noone has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about debian, linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Also see <repeat> and <ask> |
| 08:57.52 | scx | MasterGH: Well if the same happens with other WM then maybe xorg.conf is wrong |
| 08:58.30 | MasterGH | scx: hmm...I'll have a look at my config |
| 08:59.35 | MasterGH | scx: I'll send you a message with the font section of xorg.conf |
| 08:59.39 | |DuReX| | kinda same bug as http://www.eggheads.org/pipermail/bugs/2006-October/000948.html |
| 09:00.10 | MasterGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.15 | MasterGH | EndSection |
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| 09:00.47 | scx | MasterGH: Don't paste here |
| 09:00.58 | Vasistha | MasterGH: you noticed the first says FontPat instead of FontPath right? |
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| 09:01.02 | dutchfish | !pastebin |
| 09:01.02 | dpkg | methinks pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 09:01.09 | MasterGH | woops yeah I thought I did a message to you |
| 09:01.15 | Vasistha | scx: heh, to his credit, it was only two lines :) |
| 09:01.16 | scx | !tell MasterGH about paste |
| 09:01.30 | MasterGH | my copy messed up |
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| 09:01.33 | scx | MasterGH: Try 96 or 71 dpi |
| 09:01.55 | SoulChild | Vasistha: hey i found the problem, had nothing to do with acpi, it was beryl,... it crashed when i pressed the power button,... i removed it and now everything works fine,.... thank you ;) |
| 09:02.10 | Vasistha | SoulChild: nice, good job |
| 09:02.18 | MasterGH | ok, sorry I copied in here, my client message up :/ |
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| 09:04.22 | MasterGH | ok restarting X now.. |
| 09:05.18 | karsten | Are there any mysql docs packages for Debian? |
| 09:05.37 | Chameleon22 | rcbarnes, you there |
| 09:05.38 | Chameleon22 | ? |
| 09:05.43 | dutchfish | is there a secure and easy way to do an incremental backup (rsync or others) based on a tar.gz (18 GB size) as reference? |
| 09:05.57 | karsten | dutchfish: Sorry? |
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| 09:06.03 | SoulChild | !tell me about kde |
| 09:06.12 | karsten | SoulChild: /msg the bots please |
| 09:06.12 | scx | karsten: it is free |
| 09:06.17 | scx | karsten: #mysql |
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| 09:06.35 | dutchfish | karsten, i meant i have already a backup as a tar.gz on a remote system, i only want to backup the diferences |
| 09:06.39 | SoulChild | karsten mensch isch weiß doch net wie das geht :( |
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| 09:06.54 | karsten | SoulChild: Englisch bitte. |
| 09:07.04 | SoulChild | karsten: i am sorry |
| 09:07.19 | karsten | scx: This documentation is NOT distributed under a GPL license. Use of this documentation is subject to the following terms: You may create a printed copy of this documentation solely for your own personal use. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/index.html |
| 09:07.33 | karsten | scx: As you were saying? |
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| 09:08.03 | scx | karsten: That sucks |
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| 09:08.47 | karsten | scx: Well, there's downloadable tarballs at http://dev.mysql.com/doc/#manual |
| 09:08.57 | karsten | scx: ... which is sufficient for me ATM. |
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| 09:10.34 | karsten | scx: yeah, yeah. mysql's the backend of a tool at work. |
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| 09:11.12 | dutchfish | or is it possible to mount a tar.gz for read only to be used by rsync |
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| 09:11.41 | wols | dutchfish: FUSE might be able to mount them |
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| 09:11.48 | lodder | Is there a roadmap of debian , |
| 09:11.57 | MasterGH | scx: I tried changed the dpi to 96..still the same |
| 09:12.21 | MasterGH | scx: could you recommend a simple printscreen app? haven't installed one yet |
| 09:12.31 | scx | !ntfs3g |
| 09:12.32 | dpkg | i guess ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
| 09:12.36 | dutchfish | wols, i have no clue how to use it for this purpose |
| 09:12.49 | scx | MasterGH: import |
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| 09:13.25 | scx | MasterGH: you run it from terminal and it is in ImageMagick |
| 09:13.31 | MasterGH | scx: ahh |
| 09:13.45 | scx | http://picpaste.com |
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| 09:13.47 | Vasistha | dutchfish: have you read up on ''man tar' |
| 09:13.53 | scx | you can paste there |
| 09:13.59 | Vasistha | dutchfish: erm, to see if that might be able to do an update operation? |
| 09:14.10 | MasterGH | scx: haven't installed ImageMagic yet..only just installed debian this afternoon |
| 09:14.14 | rcbarnes | Chameleon22: I'm here for a minute or two more |
| 09:14.29 | scx | MasterGH: It's quick and very usefull for a lot of things |
| 09:14.37 | Chameleon22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.45 | MasterGH | scx: aye, I used it for a lot of things on Ubuntu |
| 09:14.57 | MasterGH | scx: but as I said, haven;t been able to install much yet |
| 09:14.59 | rcbarnes | Chameleon22: ah. Cool |
| 09:15.02 | karsten | dutchfish: rsync can incrementally update a file. I think doing that on a compressed tar archive won't be particularly useful as the LWZ dictionary will change as the contents of the file change as its contents vary. |
| 09:15.07 | rcbarnes | glad I could help. |
| 09:15.11 | scx | *bye |
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| 09:15.28 | Chameleon22 | rcbarnes, :) *waves time to install vserver now |
| 09:15.36 | karsten | dutchfish: OTOH, you won't lose much trying, if you're only copying the one file (you're not generating some large file list). |
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| 09:15.49 | dutchfish | karsten, yes, but i only want the tar.gz for compare to produce a separate dif backup |
| 09:16.11 | karsten | dutchfish: Sorry? That didn't parse. |
| 09:16.37 | dutchfish | i know i can mount remote dirs with ffhs but i dont know how to mount tar.gz or am i blindly lssing something here? |
| 09:17.03 | dutchfish | sshfs* |
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| 09:17.14 | Vasistha | dutchfish: well, if you know how to use rsync with a comparison file/dir, you could use a <( ) file descriptor trick |
| 09:17.16 | xand | dutchfish: you can't mount a .tar.gz file afaik |
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| 09:17.27 | karsten | dutchfish: as was suggested, 'fuse' might be able to deal with that. tarballs aren't generally mountable AFAIK, though some utilities (mc, konqueror, various gnome apps via file-roller) can make them look that way. |
| 09:17.50 | war | Chameleon22: what kind of a raid card do you have? |
| 09:17.54 | war | Chameleon22: what kind of raid hmm? ;) |
| 09:17.58 | karsten | dutchfish: In reality they're decompressing and untarring the file to a temporary location (usually /tmp) and will fail for large values of tarfile or small values of /tmp. |
| 09:18.43 | dutchfish | ok, too bad, would save me quiet some HD space if that worked |
| 09:18.43 | Chameleon22 | war, on board raid/scsi controller on p4 titan mobo (afaik) |
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| 09:19.26 | war | Chameleon22: ah |
| 09:19.27 | dutchfish | karsten, i gues i could go by compressed lvm2 partitions then? |
| 09:19.29 | war | chafe: gotcha |
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| 09:19.50 | daniele_982 | Someone can help me??? |
| 09:20.07 | Chameleon22 | war, yeah, why? Sup? |
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| 09:20.40 | war | Chameleon22: raid5? what speeds do you get? what type of array I am always interested in eharing/seeing peoples raid configs ;) |
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| 09:20.49 | karsten | dutchfish: Possibly. There's also a compress attribute in the kernel API though I'm not aware of any filesystems which actually support this. |
| 09:21.05 | karsten | !tell daniele_982 about ask |
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| 09:21.16 | nico65 | hello everyone |
| 09:21.29 | nico65 | Is there anyone use fvwm under debian? |
| 09:21.36 | xand | !anyone |
| 09:21.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 09:21.37 | Vasistha | daniele_982: it's been long enough to give a verbatim repeat of your question, along with the pastebin link |
| 09:21.38 | karsten | !tell nico65 about ask |
| 09:21.39 | dutchfish | karsten, that would be my question, yes |
| 09:21.46 | daniele_982 | karsten: (10:57:15) daniele_982: hello i've a problem when i searh to install vmware server with dedian sid: http://paste.debian.net/28890 |
| 09:21.52 | Chameleon22 | war, uhhhh, disappointment for you time heheh. I inherited the machine pretty much. It hasa single SCSI disk and SCSI/RAID controller that it is connected through (onboard) - thats it. Nothing special dude. |
| 09:21.58 | karsten | dutchfish: Sounds like a research problem for you. |
| 09:22.19 | karsten | dutchfish: If you're not getting answers here try elsewhere. Eg: VMWare support, debian mailing lists. |
| 09:22.52 | karsten | daniele_982: ^^ |
| 09:23.01 | dutchfish | karsten, i have ~12G compressed tar.gz from 11 machines wich (when uncompressed) are ~110G in size, thats alot of backup data uncompressed |
| 09:23.07 | MasterGH | I've got a screenshot of my yucky text now, would someone like to look at it to try to help? |
| 09:23.26 | karsten | dutchfish: then extract portions of it at a time. |
| 09:23.39 | karsten | dutchfish: Sounds like you need a more reasonable/rational archiving schema. |
| 09:23.47 | dutchfish | karsten, i would love to but rsync doesnt like that |
| 09:23.48 | karsten | MasterGH: Just post the link |
| 09:23.52 | MasterGH | http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1612/screenum6.png |
| 09:24.10 | nico65 | I'm using debian4.0 stable, when i use fvwm2.5.21 from fvwm.org, there are something wrong with chinese characters in title of a window |
| 09:24.11 | MasterGH | its like that in all text around that size |
| 09:24.12 | karsten | dutchfish: Likely want to look at how you're creating the backup, not how you're redistributing it. |
| 09:24.39 | dutchfish | karsten, yes, you are right. I will delv einto compressed FS systems. Thx very much |
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| 09:25.27 | nico65 | my chinese characters, they look like "@ -- @.." |
| 09:25.29 | karsten | MasterGH: Erm, what should we be seeing there? I've got a window labled "ACTION" with text starting "0 images selected". |
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| 09:25.51 | karsten | nico65: sounds like missing font support or bad locales. |
| 09:25.52 | MasterGH | karsten: the text there, its hard to read |
| 09:26.07 | karsten | nico65: Search bugs.debian.org for any unicode or chinese charset issues w/ fvwm. |
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| 09:26.17 | karsten | MasterGH: That's your problem? |
| 09:26.20 | perlmonkey | mornin guys |
| 09:26.25 | karsten | MasterGH: What window manager / desktop manager? |
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| 09:26.42 | dutchfish | karsten, for your info i already tried also rdif backup & rsnapshot but all lack the compressing needs |
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| 09:27.07 | MasterGH | karsten: karsten: I'm using xfce |
| 09:27.07 | anapivirtua | Hi world. |
| 09:27.08 | dutchfish | karsten, rsync is also fastest on transport |
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| 09:27.22 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 09:27.38 | karsten | !tell nico65 about privmsg |
| 09:27.38 | solemnwarning | Can I remove a disk from an mdadm RAID-1 mirror without marking it faulty? |
| 09:27.49 | karsten | MasterGH: What app is that? |
| 09:27.52 | solemnwarning | I want to unplug a SATA drive to look at the disk |
| 09:28.03 | karsten | solemnwarning: In theory. |
| 09:28.08 | MasterGH | karsten: thats iceweasel, but its the same in other apps |
| 09:28.20 | perlmonkey | can anyone see anything which remotely resembles a wifi card on my lspci output? http://pastebin.ca/511190 |
| 09:28.36 | solemnwarning | What command should I use to remove a disk from a mirror? |
| 09:28.37 | karsten | MasterGH: IIRC that's a gtk app. Check if you've got an ~/.gtkrc-2.0 or similar file. |
| 09:29.13 | karsten | MasterGH: You can specify default fonts in there, among other things. I do *not* know the format, AFAIK it's very poorly documented, though I could be wrong on that. |
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| 09:29.24 | karsten | solemnwarning: "PFY: remove the disk from that mirror" |
| 09:29.34 | dutchfish | solemnwarning, if you temp want to replace, i had major problems with it, apprently mdadm looks at hardware from the drive and autmagically marks it this way |
| 09:29.40 | karsten | solemnwarning: Assuming SW raid, likely mdadm. |
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| 09:29.51 | MasterGH | karsten: hmm actually no I don't have a folder like that in my home dir |
| 09:30.07 | karsten | solemnwarning: If you're using HW RAID, likely BIOS or proprietary RAID management tool. |
| 09:30.18 | solemnwarning | I just said mdadm |
| 09:30.21 | karsten | MasterGH: Make one. Google for further information, as I don't have it. |
| 09:30.22 | war | solemnwarning: mdadm /dev/md0 --fail /dev/sda1 |
| 09:30.26 | war | solemnwarning: how's that? :) |
| 09:30.28 | MasterGH | karsten: ok |
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| 09:30.55 | solemnwarning | So is mdadm --fail && eject /dev/foo enough preperations to safely remove a SATA disk while the system is up? |
| 09:31.15 | dutchfish | solemnwarning, is it hotpluggable? |
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| 09:31.26 | solemnwarning | Since when isn't SATA hotswappable? |
| 09:31.38 | war | solemnwarning: depends if the chipset suppors it |
| 09:31.39 | solemnwarning | Will eject park the heads? |
| 09:31.40 | dutchfish | solemnwarning, some bios-es wont support it |
| 09:31.41 | war | solemnwarning: and then chassis too |
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| 09:31.47 | war | brb |
| 09:32.06 | solemnwarning | The BIOS supports it |
| 09:32.11 | karsten | solemnwarning: I suspect that's a hardware capability. |
| 09:32.12 | solemnwarning | I've loaded drives into it while running |
| 09:32.33 | dutchfish | well yes then |
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| 09:34.52 | MasterGH | karsten: just before I make that file, just thought i have something that might be related. I installed imagemagick, but I can't seem to display images with it, I keep getting a "unable to load font" message |
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| 09:35.32 | enouf | sata wasn't hotpluggable till sata2/2.5 spec .. it was merely only a suggestion anyway (for the orig design), iinm , but we all know how well that works |
| 09:36.09 | dutchfish | karsten, i found pos solution for mounting tar's http://www.boomerangsworld.de/cms/avfs/?lang=en |
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| 09:41.59 | karsten | dutchfish: Blaze a trail then. |
| 09:42.37 | karsten | MasterGH: That also suggests a font issue. Try 'strace' and see what font it can't find, and/or look at your fontserver (if you're using one) and possible strace it (man strace, look for the '-p' option). |
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| 09:43.43 | MasterGH | karsten: ok looking |
| 09:44.13 | nelf | On stable, I have nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-4 and nvidia-kerne 1.0.8776+6 installed, but X is failing to load reporting: API mismatch: .... kernel module version 1.0-8776, but this X module has version 1.0-9631 |
| 09:44.36 | perlmonkey | can anyone see anything which remotely resembles a wifi card on my lspci output? http://pastebin.ca/511190 |
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| 09:45.18 | solemnwarning | Hmmm |
| 09:45.18 | solemnwarning | Odd |
| 09:45.18 | nelf | I've tried apt-get install --reinstall both the nvidia modules, but it's still reporting that I have the 1.0-9631 version :( |
| 09:45.28 | solemnwarning | When I put the disk back in it was given the name sdc instead of sdb |
| 09:45.37 | MasterGH | karsten: unable to load font `-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1' |
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| 09:45.41 | Zap-W | where is ncsd in debian |
| 09:45.43 | perlmonkey | hi |
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| 09:46.06 | bzed | Zap-W: you mean nscd? |
| 09:46.19 | karsten | !tell MasterGH about fonts |
| 09:46.22 | enouf | solemnwarning: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-mdadm/mdadm/trunk/debian/FAQ?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
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| 09:46.24 | karsten | MasterGH: Read that factoid. |
| 09:46.47 | perlmonkey | hmm |
| 09:46.48 | Sazpaimon_ | So like, #bind is dead, think someone can help me with a DNS issue? |
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| 09:46.56 | perlmonkey | can anyone see anything which remotely resembles a wifi card on my lspci output? http://pastebin.ca/511190 |
| 09:46.58 | Sazpaimon_ | http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?&domain=s2beta.com |
| 09:47.05 | MasterGH | karsten: ok |
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| 09:47.45 | Sazpaimon_ | or better yet, throw me a channel that can actually help here... |
| 09:47.45 | perlmonkey | hi karsten |
| 09:47.45 | nico65 | karsten: I've searched debian-bugs,it look like some transcode file missing. But I can use fvwm2.5,18 well about chinese charset, even if i have no the transcode |
| 09:48.01 | nico65 | karsten: but fvwm2.5.21 from fvwm.org can't |
| 09:48.18 | karsten | nico65: That would be your best answer then. |
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| 09:48.42 | bzed | Sazpaimon_: you do NOT want to run a nameserver if you can;t answer those questions on your own |
| 09:48.45 | karsten | nico65: If you think you've uncovered another issue, you can file a bug. I'd suspect fvwm2 should do chinese charset support though. |
| 09:49.03 | bzed | Sazpaimon_: also the problems are pretty much self-explanatory |
| 09:49.24 | Sazpaimon_ | well I'm not understanding them |
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| 09:49.47 | perlmonkey | how do i find out if my laptop has a miniPCI fitted |
| 09:49.47 | bzed | Sazpaimon_: then buy some books, study name services for at least a year and try again. |
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| 09:49.54 | MasterGH | karsten: thankyou for your help..I might leave getting this working for another time...iceweasel is pretty good when i make all the fonts big, and not too many others things are going wrong |
| 09:49.56 | Sazpaimon_ | alright |
| 09:49.59 | bzed | Sazpaimon_: everything else will not work |
| 09:50.09 | karsten | MasterGH: Dig. |
| 09:50.10 | Sazpaimon_ | in that case, all these domains will be down for a year |
| 09:50.16 | Sazpaimon_ | i'll tell everyone that |
| 09:50.25 | MasterGH | karsten: dig? |
| 09:50.26 | karsten | perlmonkey: One option is to read the spec sheet. |
| 09:50.30 | bzed | Sazpaimon_: well, there're ISPs which provide those services |
| 09:50.33 | perlmonkey | Sazpaimon_ whats up? |
| 09:50.35 | bzed | Sazpaimon_: usually for cheap |
| 09:50.42 | karsten | MasterGH: Cool, groovy, schwing, werd. |
| 09:50.43 | nico65 | I am very disappoint about that. But thank you for your help and patience |
| 09:50.51 | bzed | Sazpaimon_: you know that you need at least 2 different machines in 2 different subnets? |
| 09:50.56 | MasterGH | karsten: ah sorry |
| 09:51.01 | karsten | MasterGH: NP |
| 09:51.02 | perlmonkey | karsten: the spec sheet (and the laptop case itself) says it has a miniPCI wifi but i cant see one on lspci |
| 09:51.06 | Sazpaimon_ | bzed, yeah, but I only have one machine atm |
| 09:51.14 | bzed | Sazpaimon_: no chance to run a nameserver at all then |
| 09:51.29 | karsten | perlmonkey: Well, lspci was going to be my next suggestion. |
| 09:51.30 | Sazpaimon_ | bzed, ive been doing it for over a year on my previous server |
| 09:51.38 | karsten | perlmonkey: 'discover' or 'dmidecode' might find more. |
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| 09:51.46 | perlmonkey | why would anyone want to run a nameserver when theres excellent services like dnsmadeeasy.com |
| 09:51.55 | perlmonkey | karsten: cheers |
| 09:52.09 | bzed | Sazpaimon_: trust me, you really don;t want to run a nameservice on your own, if you don;t understand every little detail. |
| 09:52.09 | Sazpaimon_ | i just moved ship to my new server, and now domains wont resolve atall |
| 09:52.11 | Sazpaimon_ | *at all |
| 09:52.12 | wols | perlmonkey: ask roland. he does |
| 09:52.17 | perlmonkey | hehe |
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| 09:53.52 | bzed | Sazpaimon_: however you managed to get both NS entries pointing to one server... such requests are usually just rejected, for a good reason |
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| 09:54.32 | Sazpaimon_ | look, all I'm wanting is to get these domains to resolve correctly for the time being |
| 09:54.33 | bzed | Sazpaimon_: use dnsmadeeasy or check if your new ISP provides those services. I pay 0.5 EUR per year at my isp |
| 09:54.42 | Sazpaimon_ | they arent my domains |
| 09:54.48 | Sazpaimon_ | they're on my server |
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| 09:55.09 | Sazpaimon_ | and quite frankly i don't know where the hell the admin of the domain is right now |
| 09:55.11 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon_, then you dont need dns? |
| 09:55.25 | bzed | Sazpaimon_: sorry, but there's no other way out of that. |
| 09:55.59 | bzed | Sazpaimon_: you need to get a proper set of nameservers, and need to change the nameserver entries in the domain records |
| 09:56.00 | Sazpaimon_ | fine, in that case I'll just revert everything back to my old server where everything worked |
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| 09:56.52 | bzed | Sazpaimon_: and wait until the next spammer uses your broken nameserver to send spem from the domains you;'re hosting |
| 09:56.59 | bzed | Sazpaimon_: good luck on the way to hell |
| 09:57.03 | perlmonkey | i did a foolish thing. i loaded savagefb driver module and now i cant rmmod it, its making my screen do very bad things when i boot up. how to fix? |
| 09:57.53 | Ozux | hi how can I know witch programm use specific file? For instance i have conf.config and I want to know witch programme use it. |
| 09:57.53 | Sazpaimon_ | Oh yes, I'm sure the 3 people that i host for free really give a damn about that |
| 09:58.02 | dutchfish | bzed, setup proper dns-ing isnt that hard if you know the merics |
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| 10:00.08 | fpiat | Ozux, If the file belong to a package, you can use dpkg -S /etc/myfile |
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| 10:00.45 | perlmonkey | ive never heard so much whining before in all my life, except maybe from me |
| 10:01.38 | fpiat | perlmonkey, have you tried to boot in "single" mode ? |
| 10:02.25 | perlmonkey | fpiat: im not sure what that would achieve |
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| 10:03.16 | perlmonkey | I firmly believe someone has opened this laptop and robbed the wifi card |
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| 10:03.23 | Stephaknee | hey. |
| 10:03.36 | Stephaknee | the correct syntax to upgrade debian would be, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:03.45 | Stephaknee | or am i leaving something out? |
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| 10:04.01 | xand | Stephaknee: upgrade from what to what? |
| 10:04.21 | Stephaknee | xand: testing (as in etch) to testing (as in current) |
| 10:04.36 | wols | Stephaknee: no it's not. and yes you left something out |
| 10:04.43 | Stephaknee | what did i leave out? |
| 10:04.50 | fpiat | perlmonkey, When you boot in "single" mode, many stuffs are not run (daemons, xorg...). You just have a single user console mode, where you can try to fix your problem (unfortunately, i'm not sure if /etc/modules are loaded). |
| 10:04.53 | wols | Stephaknee: you left out reading ht release notes |
| 10:04.55 | JeffH | This weekend I'm going to do a fresh install of etch onto my server.. it's headless and a pain to hook up a keyboard/monitor.. Is there any way to avoid that hassle? |
| 10:05.03 | wols | !tell Stephaknee about sarge->etch |
| 10:05.15 | xand | wols: she's not doing sarge->etch |
| 10:05.19 | Stephaknee | wols: uhm, I know to read the release notes. |
| 10:05.22 | wols | xand: he is |
| 10:05.29 | Stephaknee | wols: but i meant, in the command. |
| 10:05.31 | wols | xand: or at least a close thing like that |
| 10:05.44 | wols | and the notes do apply |
| 10:05.53 | xand | wols: ORLY. |
| 10:05.54 | wols | Stephaknee: if you had read them you wouldn't have to ask |
| 10:06.03 | perlmonkey | but how can i stop the savagefb driver module the next time I boot up? |
| 10:06.06 | Stephaknee | Go to hell |
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| 10:06.10 | cydork | Stephaknee: check /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 10:06.17 | xand | haha |
| 10:06.18 | cydork | ahh well |
| 10:06.20 | cydork | :) |
| 10:06.31 | perlmonkey | heh |
| 10:06.37 | bzed | dutchfish: right, if you know them ;) |
| 10:06.45 | perlmonkey | eth1394: eth1: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0) <-- this is not wifi minipci eh? |
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| 10:06.49 | JeffH | can an install of etch be done over a serial line? |
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| 10:07.07 | azeem | JeffH: yes, in principle |
| 10:07.09 | xand | perlmonkey: no, that's firewire |
| 10:07.15 | azeem | JeffH: well, eh |
| 10:07.22 | azeem | JeffH: do you mean via serial console, or via slip? |
| 10:07.59 | JeffH | azeem: I'm just looking to find out if there's a method of installing etch that doesn't require me to plug a monitor and keyboard into my server. |
| 10:08.05 | perlmonkey | oh |
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| 10:08.19 | azeem | JeffH: that'd be serial console, and it's routine practise |
| 10:08.19 | perlmonkey | xand: thanks, i think my card has been stolen |
| 10:08.23 | xand | O.o |
| 10:08.23 | wols | JeffH: take out the hdd, install on some other PC, put it back in |
| 10:08.40 | wols | perlmonkey: lspci is not showing it? |
| 10:08.49 | perlmonkey | no :-/ |
| 10:08.56 | perlmonkey | unless there could be another reason? |
| 10:08.57 | JeffH | wols: that's more of a pain in the ass than attaching a monitor and keyboard. |
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| 10:09.12 | JeffH | azeem: is there a howto somewhere on how to do that? |
| 10:09.23 | azeem | JeffH: did you check the install manual? |
| 10:09.30 | perlmonkey | there is a switch on the front of the laptop to turn the wlan on and off, and that led is illuminated for "on" but that might still work regardless of whether the card is present or not? |
| 10:09.50 | azeem | JeffH: serial console is the prime (or only) only installation method on some of the more obsure arches, it should be documented |
| 10:09.55 | karsten | perlmonkey: Unlikley. |
| 10:09.57 | perlmonkey | I am using a pcmcia card at present |
| 10:10.01 | karsten | perlmonkey: What's 'ifconfig -a' tell you? |
| 10:10.08 | azeem | JeffH: it might not document how to setup a serial console, though |
| 10:10.36 | xand | perlmonkey: take screwdriver, look for card :) maybe it came loose |
| 10:10.40 | cydork | perlmonkey: nothing in ? dmesg |
| 10:10.50 | cydork | bahh i need coffee |
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| 10:11.17 | perlmonkey | karsten: it shows ath0 (my pcmcia card) eth0 eth1 |
| 10:11.28 | perlmonkey | i cant see anything in dmesg |
| 10:11.35 | karsten | JeffH: Serial console install. chroot install. |
| 10:11.38 | xand | dmesg | grep eth |
| 10:11.49 | karsten | perlmonkey: Can you account for eth0 and eth1? |
| 10:12.26 | karsten | perlmonkey: ... and /var/log/dmesg if you've had the system up long enough to fill the kernel d-ring buffer. |
| 10:12.31 | perlmonkey | I can account for only 1 |
| 10:12.36 | jhasse | When will boost-dev 1.34.0 be in experimental? |
| 10:12.37 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:12.47 | karsten | s/d-ring/ring/ |
| 10:13.07 | karsten | perlmonkey: Find out what eth1 is then, I've got my dibs on it. |
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| 10:13.30 | perlmonkey | :D |
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| 10:15.18 | enouf | perlmonkey: does /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules show both? correct MACs for each? install hwinfo and try hwinfo --pcmcia , also maybe run update-pciids |
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| 10:17.02 | xand | enouf: wake up! |
| 10:17.27 | perlmonkey | enouf: phew thanks, I think you solved it |
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| 10:17.49 | perlmonkey | PCI device 0x104c:0x9066 (acx_pci): SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:11:95:15:08:30", ATTRS{type}=="1", NAME="wlan0" |
| 10:17.55 | perlmonkey | that must be it |
| 10:18.08 | perlmonkey | fuk, acx100 driver :-/ |
| 10:18.23 | perlmonkey | i just escaped that crap on my old pcmcia card by buying a new one |
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| 10:20.01 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.30 | perlmonkey | added entry to my interfaces for it :-/ |
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| 10:20.54 | lambda_ | hi |
| 10:20.58 | lambda_ | dpkg, |
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| 10:21.55 | enouf | xand: moin ;-) |
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| 10:23.02 | wols | perlmonkey: debian's acx100 is quite old btw |
| 10:23.06 | xand | enouf: moon |
| 10:23.08 | wols | but it does work fairly fine |
| 10:23.10 | enouf | perlmonkey: er (guesses what's best here) -- iwlist, iwconfig, ifconfig ? .. /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
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| 10:24.06 | enouf | perlmonkey: pcmciautils, wireless-tools are installed? |
| 10:24.25 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 10:24.45 | perlmonkey | im convinced now from hwinfo the card is not present |
| 10:25.01 | Bega_Deb | hi there ... got some probs with iceweasel and my bank ... atm I log in it closes all iceweasel windows |
| 10:25.03 | perlmonkey | unless theres some irq conflict preventing it showing |
| 10:25.18 | perlmonkey | unlikely tho eh |
| 10:25.20 | enouf | wow .. do hwinfo --help to see those many options (for quick scanning) |
| 10:25.27 | perlmonkey | cool |
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| 10:26.17 | wols | perlmonkey: is it PCI or is it PCMCIA? |
| 10:26.21 | runa | hi i removed /var/lib/dpkg/available what should i do? |
| 10:26.40 | wols | runa: there is a backup file for avaulable |
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| 10:26.54 | wols | available-old |
| 10:27.59 | wols | dexomsrc: ask your bank not us |
| 10:27.59 | perlmonkey | wols: it's pci... there is also e100 pci listed...do you think it might be a dual wired/wifi card? |
| 10:27.59 | dexomsrc | wols: ? |
| 10:27.59 | wols | erm Bega_Deb |
| 10:27.59 | perlmonkey | seems unlikely eh |
| 10:27.59 | wols | dexomsrc: wrong startin consonant for nick complete |
| 10:28.20 | wols | perlmonkey: e100 is intel acx is TI. no it's not unlikely it's impossible |
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| 10:29.09 | wols | perlmonkey: didn't it work before? |
| 10:29.15 | Bega_Deb | wols: it's not a back isseu |
| 10:29.27 | wols | Bega_Deb: how do you know? |
| 10:29.27 | Bega_Deb | I can run it in ZETA with Firefox with no prob |
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| 10:29.39 | perlmonkey | EtherExpress PRO/100 VE |
| 10:29.49 | perlmonkey | thought so |
| 10:29.50 | wols | perlmonkey: well then get a proper error message |
| 10:30.03 | Bega_Deb | so if it was a bank isseu I wouldn't be able there either |
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| 10:30.14 | perlmonkey | wols: i only just got this laptop and i never been able to get the internal wifi to work |
| 10:30.16 | Bega_Deb | it takes all info up to the point that it logs in |
| 10:30.19 | wols | Bega_Deb: what debian version? |
| 10:30.23 | Bega_Deb | Etch |
| 10:30.37 | perlmonkey | its 2nd hand, and was pretty cannablised when i got it, so theres a good chance the card has been removed |
| 10:30.39 | wols | well, then get an error message |
| 10:30.56 | Bega_Deb | it doesn't give me one .. it just closes all open windows |
| 10:31.17 | wols | Bega_Deb: it does. you just haven't found it |
| 10:31.23 | Bega_Deb | if I knew where/if there would be one I could trace it perhaps |
| 10:31.38 | wols | open xterm, start iceweasel |
| 10:32.09 | Bega_Deb | ah ... tracking errors in terminal ... should have thought about that too ... |
| 10:32.20 | Bega_Deb | k checking wols thnx so far |
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| 10:35.28 | Bega_Deb | wols: can I paste the terminal msg somewhere? |
| 10:35.51 | Bega_Deb | no need for pastebin ... |
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| 10:36.03 | cast | 'Those of you who run Linux and Macs really don’t have many programs to choose from to even delete, so of course defragging isn’t an option' |
| 10:36.09 | cast | haha. |
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| 10:37.16 | Bega_Deb | The error was 'BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter) .... |
| 10:37.26 | Bega_Deb | seems to be an x error wo |
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| 10:37.32 | Bega_Deb | wols: * |
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| 10:40.00 | wols | Bega_Deb: what driver? |
| 10:40.08 | Bega_Deb | nVidia |
| 10:40.10 | wols | nvidia or fglrx? |
| 10:40.21 | wols | lucky you. I see vesa or nv in your future |
| 10:40.31 | Bega_Deb | the original one from the nVidia's website |
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| 10:40.39 | wols | it doesn't matter where it's from |
| 10:40.48 | Bega_Deb | ah k |
| 10:41.07 | Bega_Deb | well I have beryl installed (but that's not running atm) |
| 10:41.28 | Bega_Deb | don't know if it could matter |
| 10:41.33 | wols | first rule or error hunting: reduce everything to the minimum that makes the bug appear |
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| 10:42.14 | Bega_Deb | well prob is that everything I like so far is installed .. some problems appear when you start after installing stuff (not checked before) |
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| 10:43.01 | Bega_Deb | hmm ... I could check on the laptop ... but doubt that it changes anything .. ** checking ** |
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| 10:45.24 | cusco | hello... Im on KDE right now, because when entering gnome ona 1280*768 resolution will make my screen go "Out Of Range" |
| 10:45.34 | cusco | while gdm and kde doesn't |
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| 10:45.56 | cusco | does anybody know anything about this peculiar thing about gnome? |
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| 10:48.58 | narasim_7 | cusco: you could try this command "gnome-display-properties" in Konsole in KDE and try setting the resolution there..i am not sure why this happens to yoy |
| 10:49.05 | narasim_7 | cusco: you* |
| 10:49.26 | Bega_Deb | k ... seems that there should be an x prob with the driver I think .. logged in with Etch at the latpop (S3) now wols |
| 10:49.36 | Bega_Deb | still strange though ... |
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| 10:50.42 | cusco | narasim_7: I know that if I use a lower resolution gnome will display good, but on 4/3 graphics not wide screen 16/9 |
| 10:50.46 | cusco | :( |
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| 10:52.08 | narasim_7 | cusco: didnt know that...hmm..anyway..did you try searching in the net about this problem..probably using your monitor type as one keyword |
| 10:52.14 | narasim_7 | cusco: ? |
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| 10:55.21 | Bega_Deb | biab |
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| 10:56.55 | Tenkawa | am I just having bad luck or is one of the main http.us.debian.org mirrors down? |
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| 10:59.43 | _Rubyxx | Does anyone know why it seems impossible to run apt-get update when anon-proxy is installed? |
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| 11:01.42 | rabid | /joing #gentoo |
| 11:01.51 | xand | ew |
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| 11:04.35 | sobersabre | how much is mounting ext3 with an option journal=data endangering data ? |
| 11:05.29 | hipodilski | What GUI program to use to burn an audio cd from mp3 files? |
| 11:06.44 | rabid | k3b is one of the best graphical frontends |
| 11:07.20 | rabid | Especially if you use kde |
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| 11:11.52 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 11:12.02 | rvsjoen | hmm.. what's bothering GRUB when it only says "Booting from local disk..." and then just hangs ? |
| 11:12.04 | ^rob^ | anybody know what |
| 11:12.10 | ^rob^ | 's the debian font name |
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| 11:12.26 | ^rob^ | i like the font |
| 11:12.31 | ^rob^ | but i can't find it. |
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| 11:12.47 | loxley_ | ^rob^: it unique |
| 11:13.10 | Blissex | rvsjoen: it may be that the local disk is dead... But then you should get an error message. |
| 11:13.12 | mbutUbuntu01 | hello folks, does anyone know how to forward amule ports?? I've a gateway and some clients, but the gw doesn't forward amule ports, only the web, mail, IRC... ports |
| 11:13.51 | Blissex | mbutUbuntu01: that depends a lot on the gateway. There are pretty good aMule-and-firewall HOWTOs around, IIRC on the aMule wiki. |
| 11:13.58 | ^rob^ | loxley_: that's the font name or it's unique made ?? i don't get it |
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| 11:14.15 | chipi | ^rob^: you got info here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLogo |
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| 11:15.08 | ^rob^ | Poppl Laudatio Condensed. ty |
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| 11:15.45 | marsje_ | what is the correct way of stopping a daemon (in this case tomcat5) from starting automatically, without completely removing the package? |
| 11:16.24 | _Rubyxx | rvsjoen: how many disks do you have? |
| 11:16.25 | _Rubyxx | drives? |
| 11:16.29 | ^rob^ | marsje_: etiher you move S99tomcat to K99tomcat in /etc/rc2.d (or whatever your run level is) |
| 11:16.34 | ^rob^ | or you can also use |
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| 11:16.44 | ^rob^ | sysvconfig |
| 11:16.45 | chipi | marsje_: man update-rc.d |
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| 11:17.08 | marsje_ | thanks! |
| 11:17.26 | ^rob^ | marsje_: if you-re lausy like i am - you-re gonna use sysvconfig - it's a nice tool |
| 11:17.30 | rvsjoen | _Rubyxx: I dont know in this case, it was just a friend that asked for help in a mail. Just wondering if there were any 'quick' fixes :) |
| 11:17.45 | marsje_ | ^rob^: never heard of it, but I will look into it |
| 11:17.49 | rvsjoen | probably one disk with several partitions |
| 11:18.14 | ^rob^ | marsje_: sysvconfig => Description: A text menu based utility for configuring init script links |
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| 11:18.35 | Bega_Deb | re |
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| 11:18.51 | marsje_ | ^rob^: installing it now |
| 11:18.52 | ^rob^ | marsje_: it goes hand in hand with configure-debian |
| 11:19.12 | ^rob^ | if they exists - why not to use them ;) |
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| 11:19.30 | _Rubyxx | rvsjoen: If my experience is anything to go by, he probably has two hard drives and both his Debian and grub are still on the second drive....Clarify the problem first |
| 11:19.50 | rvsjoen | I will, thanks |
| 11:20.34 | _Rubyxx | no probs |
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| 11:22.07 | kk | hello there |
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| 11:22.19 | kk | any ddos expert around? |
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| 11:24.23 | wols | kk: ask your real question |
| 11:24.49 | ^rob^ | kk: why would anyone be expert in ddos ? |
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| 11:25.17 | cast | because it happens to them on a regular basis? |
| 11:25.20 | ^rob^ | kk: what's an expert to you - first... |
| 11:25.23 | kk | My debian serge server been ddos'd the whole day, and i'm trying to find a way to prevent suc thing |
| 11:25.31 | loxley_ | kk: call your isp |
| 11:25.39 | kk | i did, they don't work on weekends |
| 11:25.47 | loxley_ | kk: then you have your answer |
| 11:25.48 | ^rob^ | kk: then you need to setup firewall |
| 11:25.55 | eisen | then it's time to switch the isp |
| 11:26.06 | kk | rob, that what i'm trying to do hence i came here for advice |
| 11:26.15 | cast | kk: if its a not very good ddos, then a firewall might help. if its a good ddos, then a firewall is pretty useless |
| 11:26.17 | ^rob^ | k i'll come on private with you |
| 11:26.34 | eisen | other than that only unplugging from the net helps |
| 11:26.35 | kk | rob, moment let me reg my nickname |
| 11:26.45 | eisen | you have no influence about the packets reaching you |
| 11:26.51 | ^rob^ | dont ill type here |
| 11:27.10 | ^rob^ | do you know your services that are atacked? - ftp smtp http etc? |
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| 11:28.31 | cast | eisen: agreed. but not all DDoS attacks flood ones bandwidth, they might just make apache take a dump from dealing with a thousands of connections etc.. |
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| 11:28.37 | rvsjoen | how do you know you're beeing attacked in the first place ? |
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| 11:28.46 | ^rob^ | kk 4 example if your ftp is under ddos atack you can limit access to x packages/minute |
| 11:28.59 | loxley_ | rvsjoen: not reaching the webserver pehaps |
| 11:29.19 | loxley_ | rvsjoen: pin etc. |
| 11:29.27 | loxley_ | rvsjoen: crap, ping etv |
| 11:29.33 | loxley_ | damnit! |
| 11:29.37 | rvsjoen | hehe |
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| 11:30.19 | needtoregisterkn | cast, its a very good ddos, uisng botnet and my server goes down in like 3 min and maxin goes to max which is 80mbite |
| 11:31.08 | cast | why does your server take a whole 3min to go down? |
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| 11:31.28 | wfq | hello |
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| 11:32.05 | hnaz | hi |
| 11:32.35 | hnaz | is there a way to remove all reverse dependencies when removing a package? |
| 11:32.52 | hnaz | i have this meta package and want to drop all the crap it brought in |
| 11:32.56 | cast | hnaz: use aptitude? :> |
| 11:33.13 | hnaz | i tried but perhaps im too stupid? |
| 11:33.25 | hnaz | i selected the package for removal and it got removed |
| 11:33.27 | hnaz | but nothing more |
| 11:33.29 | rvsjoen | did you use aptitude to install the package in the first place ? |
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| 11:33.55 | hnaz | rvsjoen: don't know, it wasnt me |
| 11:34.11 | rvsjoen | afaik aptitude tags packages with automatically installed, while apt-get doesn't |
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| 11:34.30 | HostilePenguin | dpkg --purge remove? |
| 11:34.30 | hnaz | yes, but the reverse dep information is available...? |
| 11:34.39 | rvsjoen | somebody correct me if im wrong |
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| 11:34.52 | hnaz | HostilePenguin: thank you for guessing |
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| 11:35.27 | HostilePenguin | no problem |
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| 11:35.29 | loxley_ | needtoregisterkn: think best option for you is getting hold of your isp so they can nullroute those fuckers.. |
| 11:35.49 | ^rob^ | HostilePenguin: dpkg -P packagename - same result |
| 11:35.57 | HostilePenguin | sure |
| 11:36.03 | hnaz | and purge is something else |
| 11:36.13 | hnaz | not what i want |
| 11:36.20 | HostilePenguin | rock out |
| 11:36.37 | hnaz | what is wrong with you? |
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| 11:37.05 | HostilePenguin | what are you talking about wtf is wrong with you |
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| 11:37.51 | hnaz | why do you give tips without knowing what the commands do? |
| 11:39.47 | ^rob^ | hnaz: what was your question again pls? |
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| 11:40.59 | HostilePenguin | is there a way to remove all reverse dependencies when removing a package? |
| 11:40.59 | HostilePenguin | <hnaz> i have this meta package and want to drop all the crap it brought in |
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| 11:42.13 | needtoregisterkn | loxley_, that i will be doing, sadly they don't work in weekends, so i will have to find a way myself to get my server running for the upcoming 2 days |
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| 11:42.37 | abrotman | hnaz: you should have used aptitude .. otherwise .. you can try deborphan |
| 11:43.39 | loxley_ | needtoregisterkn: shut down the services you dont need, make a message ftp is temporairily down etc on your service page |
| 11:43.46 | abrotman | hnaz: some also use debfoster to keep a clean system |
| 11:44.56 | needtoregisterkn | loxley_, i did close as much as i can of ports, only 5 ports are opened now and he seems to use them |
| 11:45.11 | loxley_ | needtoregisterkn: :( |
| 11:45.21 | needtoregisterkn | trying ^rob^'s method now, i hope it will sotp him until my isp gets works again |
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| 11:46.23 | loxley_ | needtoregisterkn: good luck |
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| 11:47.07 | needtoregisterkn | loxley_, thanks |
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| 11:47.56 | abrotman | what's he trying to stop ? |
| 11:48.08 | loxley_ | abrotman: ddos |
| 11:48.17 | abrotman | oh |
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| 11:48.29 | abrotman | he really should call his ISP |
| 11:48.31 | loxley_ | abrotman: and isp has closed weekdays ;( |
| 11:48.39 | loxley_ | abrotman: weekends |
| 11:48.39 | abrotman | ddos on a port? |
| 11:48.46 | abrotman | call their ISP |
| 11:49.05 | needtoregisterkn | botnet... |
| 11:49.08 | needtoregisterkn | heaps of ip's |
| 11:49.16 | abrotman | one port ? |
| 11:49.21 | abrotman | or just ping? |
| 11:49.21 | needtoregisterkn | 5 ports |
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| 11:49.35 | abrotman | i'd call your ISPs ISP :) |
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| 11:50.23 | loxley_ | yeah, there is always someone who delivers the gigabit to the isp's.. |
| 11:50.40 | abrotman | oh .. and get a new ISP :) |
| 11:50.53 | _Rubyxx | needtoregisterkn: you may find the wikipedia entry helpful...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack |
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| 11:51.36 | _Rubyxx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack |
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| 11:54.17 | needtoregisterkn | abrotman, good idea, will try to do that :D |
| 11:54.26 | needtoregisterkn | _Rubyxx, will take a read in a moment |
| 11:56.10 | knubbze | Retrieving bug reports... 1% [9/478] |
| 11:56.14 | knubbze | is _this_ normal? :o |
| 11:56.26 | abrotman | did you install apt-listbugs ? |
| 11:56.45 | knubbze | no, I am upgrading from sarge fi etch atm |
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| 11:57.02 | knubbze | don't know whether I installed apt-listbugs :o |
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| 11:57.10 | abrotman | dpkg -l apt* |
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| 11:57.31 | knubbze | yeah, havfi wait for the bug repots to finish downloading |
| 11:57.44 | abrotman | you do ? |
| 11:57.51 | knubbze | ii apt-listbugs 0.0.48 Lists critical bugs before each apt installa |
| 11:58.01 | ofirg_ | hihi |
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| 11:58.29 | abrotman | knubbze: so no .. it's not normal .. because most people running stable don't have apt-listbugs installed |
| 11:58.38 | knubbze | and why the hell is my system language italian now? :/ |
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| 11:58.50 | knubbze | (or whatever language that is supposed to be) |
| 11:58.57 | fpiat | Hello, i am looking for alpha-tester for a tool/website i am working on. http://sysinf0.klabs.be/ let you browse through a virtual file system made of all files from multiple debian distributions/packages All files and variants are available simultaneously. |
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| 11:59.06 | knubbze | abrotman: ic. so it's save to remove that, yes? |
| 11:59.10 | ofirg_ | I am configuring exim - it gives me option for mbox/maildir, googling I see both arent good, what can Ido? |
| 11:59.11 | abrotman | ah .. yeah |
| 11:59.21 | abrotman | ofirg_: both aren't good ? |
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| 11:59.29 | ofirg_ | abrotman, yes |
| 11:59.30 | knubbze | I guess I will just format and install etch rather than trying to update sarge |
| 11:59.32 | XTYPEWRITER74v1 | Hi |
| 11:59.38 | abrotman | ofirg_: how so ? |
| 12:00.04 | XTYPEWRITER74v1 | How do i configure xterm to start at a smaller size in command line? |
| 12:00.12 | ofirg_ | abrotman, mbox is a single big file, so deleting | getting the headers is lengthy |
| 12:00.23 | abrotman | ofirg_: yes .. that's a huge problem with mbox |
| 12:00.32 | abrotman | (if you have a big folder) |
| 12:00.49 | ofirg_ | abrotman, maildir are lots of files, so going over all files to get the headers is also lengthy |
| 12:01.01 | abrotman | ofirg_: they cache the headers |
| 12:01.18 | ofirg_ | abrotman, who cache? maildir? |
| 12:01.22 | abrotman | yes |
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| 12:01.38 | abrotman | i believe most of the major maildir/IMAP servers do that |
| 12:01.39 | ofirg_ | abrotman, ie index file? |
| 12:01.45 | abrotman | ofirg_: roughly |
| 12:02.37 | abrotman | ofirg_: how big are your folders that you're concerned about this ? |
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| 12:03.13 | abrotman | ofirg_: that said .. you could certainly test both options ;) |
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| 12:03.23 | ofirg_ | abrotman, Someone wrote that pine recomend using mbx (not mbox) which is single file plus index |
| 12:04.07 | abrotman | ofirg_: i'd use maildir on everything except a strictly pop3 server |
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| 12:06.51 | simon23 | hi, can someone please tell me how to get info on a domain ? i tried the ripe whos service - but that didnt work somehow. |
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| 12:07.18 | simon23 | not for the domain i was looking for "leckarsch.com" and not for minw "whattheheck.de" |
| 12:07.22 | abrotman | simon23: arin.net or something like that ? |
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| 12:08.14 | simon23 | maybe - just opened that page - looks good |
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| 12:08.32 | SoulChild | Hey all,... |
| 12:08.43 | SoulChild | !tell me about filesystems |
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| 12:09.07 | SoulChild | !filesystems |
| 12:09.11 | SoulChild | ??? |
| 12:09.19 | SoulChild | hmmm... can someone help me |
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| 12:09.21 | simon23 | abrotman: is this arin just for .com domains which are registered in USA? |
| 12:09.22 | abrotman | SoulChild: bot is dead .. what are you looking for ? |
| 12:09.31 | abrotman | simon23: i dont' think it is |
| 12:09.36 | SoulChild | i need to know which fileystem is best for debian |
| 12:09.49 | simon23 | abrotman: i know that the guy who should have registered this domain "leckarsch.com" should be from germany... |
| 12:09.49 | abrotman | SoulChild: if you have to ask .. use ext3 |
| 12:10.07 | SoulChild | abrotman: hmmm what about reiserfs |
| 12:10.22 | abrotman | SoulChild: i just told you |
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| 12:10.41 | simon23 | abrotman: i heard that the denic should provide information about german domain... but on their site i can only check .de domains. |
| 12:10.53 | abrotman | micty: don't do that |
| 12:10.55 | GNUtoo | is sid managed by the security team? |
| 12:10.58 | abrotman | no |
| 12:10.59 | GNUtoo | hello |
| 12:11.01 | GNUtoo | oops |
| 12:11.04 | micty | abrotman: sorry |
| 12:11.18 | GNUtoo | abrotman, the on is for me? |
| 12:11.23 | abrotman | GNUtoo: yes |
| 12:11.25 | GNUtoo | abrotman, the no is for me? |
| 12:11.31 | GNUtoo | abrotman, ok thanks |
| 12:11.32 | abrotman | simon23: check at the registrar site ? |
| 12:12.21 | simon23 | abrotman; what is a registrar site? |
| 12:12.34 | abrotman | like ns.com or dotster.com |
| 12:12.40 | simon23 | abrotman; (the site i want infos about?) |
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| 12:13.05 | abrotman | the place where you got your domain name |
| 12:13.22 | simon23 | i bought it at a reseller... |
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| 12:14.50 | wols | simon23: there is no such domain |
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| 12:15.19 | simon23 | wols: i just thought about that too, because a domain available check said it would be free... |
| 12:15.26 | wols | and a .com domain certainly isn't a german domain iether |
| 12:15.35 | simon23 | wols; what means that this guy must have deletet this domain. |
| 12:15.46 | wols | all you ever need to do to check a domain is "whois domain" |
| 12:15.49 | cusco | narasim_7: I tried that already |
| 12:15.56 | wols | no it means it never did exist |
| 12:16.11 | wols | if you give up a domain, the squatters will immediately catch it |
| 12:16.15 | simon23 | (i just wondered because i couldnt reply the email i received) |
| 12:16.16 | narasim_7 | cusco: oh ok |
| 12:16.25 | cusco | my monitor is a TV... on its docs it says the best resolution is 1024x768 |
| 12:16.30 | wols | simon23: please show us the mail header |
| 12:16.35 | narasim_7 | cusco: hmm |
| 12:16.37 | cusco | but it supports.. I forgot what... |
| 12:16.55 | cusco | and right now on kde im using 1280*768 |
| 12:17.08 | cusco | there is something about gnome... |
| 12:17.13 | wols | abrotman: next time send me one from "freeponies.com" |
| 12:17.50 | simon23 | wols: must have already deletet it... |
| 12:18.06 | abrotman | wols: heh |
| 12:18.15 | wols | simon23: so it might be best to stop with the OT questions |
| 12:18.18 | simon23 | wols: cant find it - only found that mailadress in my kadressbook, because i once replied that mail. |
| 12:18.35 | simon23 | wols: okay - sorry. |
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| 12:19.25 | wols | abrotman: you could. It's a squatter site :) |
| 12:19.31 | abrotman | wols: woot! |
| 12:20.34 | wols | freeponies.com would be a good name for a pr0n site I guess |
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| 12:21.25 | wols | the squatter owning it is a strange scammer: they offer me german TLDs... |
| 12:21.40 | abrotman | because you love ponies! |
| 12:21.51 | abrotman | wols: or it knows you're german ? |
| 12:22.21 | wols | that's easy. IP space. possibly brower prefernece (might have changed that recently) |
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| 12:22.51 | wols | trouble is ".liebe" (.love) is certainly not icann approved... |
| 12:22.54 | Talaturen | Hello, I'm trying to play a game but I only get 10-12 fps on it with as small resolution on the game window as possible, and 4 fps when I make it as big as I can have it, my video card is ATI Radeon X1600, what drivers should I install to get higher fps? (not fglrx, tried it twice had to reinstall debian at both times after messing around with it) |
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| 12:23.09 | abrotman | Talaturen: not again ... |
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| 12:23.16 | Talaturen | abrotman, :( |
| 12:23.19 | wols | Talaturen: flgrx is your only choice, period |
| 12:23.23 | valdyn | Talaturen: fglrx |
| 12:23.25 | wols | either that or you buy a new videocard |
| 12:23.25 | abrotman | Talaturen: you need the fglrx |
| 12:23.43 | valdyn | Talaturen: not the drivers fault if you cant install it, it works fine ( to the extent fglrx ever works fine ) |
| 12:23.46 | abrotman | or don't play the game :) |
| 12:23.54 | Talaturen | abrotman, I tried to get it work twice, after trying to restart xserver I only get blackscreen.. |
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| 12:24.10 | wols | Talaturen: that is NO reason at all to reinstall |
| 12:24.18 | wols | if you still did, it's your own stupidity |
| 12:24.28 | Talaturen | wols, I'm not experienced with linux so that was the only thing I could do.. |
| 12:24.29 | abrotman | Talaturen: it's quite possible you were out of range on your monitor |
| 12:24.53 | abrotman | wols: he had rahul helping him last night ... |
| 12:24.53 | wols | Talaturen: then get a console irc client (irssi) and use it next time this happens to come here |
| 12:25.03 | wols | abrotman: poor rahul? |
| 12:25.08 | abrotman | wols: poor Talaturen |
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| 12:25.15 | wols | ouch |
| 12:25.41 | Talaturen | so only vesa and fglrx works for my video card? |
| 12:25.49 | wols | Talaturen: basically yes |
| 12:25.57 | valdyn | Talaturen: the ati driver should work too |
| 12:26.01 | wols | swear at ati for not releasing specs |
| 12:26.07 | valdyn | Talaturen: but _not_ for 3d support |
| 12:26.09 | wols | valdyn: it does? |
| 12:26.16 | wols | good to know |
| 12:26.16 | cusco | dudes.. whats the name of that gnome functionality that starts playing a audio file if your mouse rolls over it? |
| 12:26.24 | Talaturen | it's a 2D game so I don't need 3d support |
| 12:26.26 | wols | cusco: annoying? |
| 12:26.31 | cusco | yes |
| 12:26.31 | valdyn | wols: going to check the list.... |
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| 12:27.15 | Talaturen | there's nothing that's better than vesa expect fglrx that should work with my video card? |
| 12:27.21 | cusco | I read in the past about it, but I forgot where or what.. I think you could uninstall some mpg package or something |
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| 12:28.17 | valdyn | Talaturen: looks like you need fglrx anyway, the free ati driver seem to only support cards up to x800 |
| 12:28.43 | wols | cusco: gstreamer? |
| 12:29.02 | wols | and: playing music on rolling over what "it"? |
| 12:29.13 | tuv | i don't understand this. whenever rtorrent is running, even with low download rate, once aptitude starts downloading the connection speed drops severely until i power-cycle my adsl modem!!! |
| 12:29.20 | Talaturen | valdyn, mh I'll try it for the last time then, if it doesn't work I'll join here with irssi |
| 12:29.40 | valdyn | tuv: that's expected, dsl links tend to use huge caches |
| 12:29.56 | valdyn | tuv: which breaks performance with various things |
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| 12:30.13 | tuv | valdyn, so who'se the offending party? |
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| 12:30.34 | cusco | wols: qhat "it" ?! |
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| 12:31.07 | tuv | valdyn, 'huge caches' on the adsl modem, or where exactly? and how is this the cause of the symptom? |
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| 12:31.58 | valdyn | tuv: i think your issue might be something else yet |
| 12:32.10 | wols | tuv: possibilities: shitty modem or the ACK packets aptitude generates. if it doesn't ormalized again after stopping aptitude: shitty modem |
| 12:32.12 | valdyn | tuv: try limiting the max number of connections rtorrent makes |
| 12:32.48 | tuv | valdyn, i'm limiting rtorrent, and it works fine for extended periods of time |
| 12:33.08 | valdyn | tuv: bandwidth limit yea |
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| 12:33.40 | tuv | valdyn, bandwidth (up and down) and no. of connections (though i think rtorrent allows per torrent connection limit only) |
| 12:34.43 | valdyn | tuv: netstat -pn | grep rtorrent | wc -l |
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| 12:35.30 | valdyn | tuv: your router probably should get a decent firmware, but that part you probably cant change.. |
| 12:35.38 | tuv | valdyn, 105 |
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| 12:35.55 | valdyn | tuv: that doesnt look so bad.. just 105 connections |
| 12:36.00 | tuv | valdyn, running dd-wrt on my router |
| 12:36.19 | valdyn | tuv: which is what? |
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| 12:36.28 | tuv | valdyn, yeah.. mostly seeding |
| 12:36.55 | perlmonkey | could use some help with new Toshiba Tecra 9100 wifi problem again, getting nowhere :-/ |
| 12:37.10 | tuv | valdyn, the router is a linksys wrt54g. the firmware is at www.dd-wrt.com |
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| 12:37.19 | abrotman | perlmonkey: need more info |
| 12:37.22 | valdyn | tuv: does the connecton get better later after aptitude is done? |
| 12:37.27 | perlmonkey | abrotman: ok |
| 12:37.39 | perlmonkey | this laptop is supposed to have an internal pcmcia wifi card, I can't see anything resembling one..but "ifconfig" shows two nic devices... eth0 and eth1 both with difference HWaddr |
| 12:37.40 | abrotman | perlmonkey: a/s/l please! |
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| 12:37.55 | abrotman | perlmonkey: lspci .. see anything useful ? |
| 12:38.21 | abrotman | perlmonkey: more than likely .. it's mini-pci .. not interal pcmcia |
| 12:38.39 | valdyn | and even as pcmcia it would show in lspci, likely... |
| 12:38.43 | perlmonkey | abrotman: nothing that resembles a wifi card at all, but ive compared the output with a webpage of a guy with a same laptop who posted his and got wifi working from the internal card.. mine looks identifical |
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| 12:38.56 | perlmonkey | i will post the lspci output |
| 12:38.59 | abrotman | perlmonkey: lspcmcia .. see anything useful ? :) |
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| 12:39.22 | tuv | http wget downloads at full speed |
| 12:39.26 | tuv | valdyn, ^^ |
| 12:39.31 | Talaturen | where is dpkg bot? |
| 12:39.41 | perlmonkey | shows sockets 0-2 |
| 12:42.02 | abrotman | Talaturen: sleeping .. why ? |
| 12:42.02 | abrotman | Talaturen: do you need the funny command ? |
| 12:42.02 | Talaturen | abrotman, i need know what i had to do for fglrx |
| 12:42.02 | valdyn | !fglrx |
| 12:42.03 | abrotman | %fglrx one-liner |
| 12:42.03 | badgers | hmm... fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 12:42.03 | Talaturen | oh, here is other bot |
| 12:42.03 | abrotman | or use aptitude bot |
| 12:42.03 | abrotman | aptitude: hi |
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| 12:42.04 | aptitude | what's up |
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| 12:42.04 | tuv | valdyn, i quit wget and resume aptitude's download and it's still stuck at low download speed |
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| 12:42.05 | cusco | tuv: it might depend on the mirror |
| 12:42.05 | tuv | cusco, i just tried wget on the major mirror i'm using with apt |
| 12:42.05 | schme` | Why I love sid - It just made me spend 30 minutes fixin' stuff just so vim would install. |
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| 12:42.21 | perlmonkey | abrotman: can you see anything which resembles a minipci wifi card: http://pastebin.ca/511416 |
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| 12:43.04 | tuv | cusco, aptitude starts downloading at full speed then after few seconds it drops the downloads speed. i power-cycle the adsl modem and aptitude goes back to full speed, and so on |
| 12:43.28 | stefan__ | hello everybody. I've a spare machine with a spare dsl connection (doing nothing, routers turned off). I'd like to try to set up a free shell service. Using Debian, of course. Any suggestion to start with? I've been using several open systems in the past (m-net, rootshell.be, etc) but they tend to be on BSD |
| 12:43.46 | abrotman | perlmonkey: nope. . what's the chipset ? |
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| 12:44.07 | perlmonkey | that's a very good question, im trying to find out to make sure I have driver |
| 12:44.08 | XtYPEWRITEr74v2 | is it possible to get gkrellm from this site an install on stable --> 5 we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the |
| 12:44.08 | XtYPEWRITEr74v2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.08 | XtYPEWRITEr74v2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.08 | XtYPEWRITEr74v2 | -:- #debian [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how |
| 12:44.08 | XtYPEWRITEr74v2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:44.58 | perlmonkey | abrotman: it's strange how I have two nic devices showing in ifconfig with two different HWaddr's eh |
| 12:45.03 | XtYPEWRITEr74v2 | wow, srry |
| 12:45.07 | abrotman | perlmonkey: one might be firewire |
| 12:45.12 | perlmonkey | oh yes |
| 12:45.13 | XtYPEWRITEr74v2 | got mixed up there |
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| 12:45.15 | abrotman | perlmonkey: what chipset is the wifi ? |
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| 12:45.20 | perlmonkey | it does have fireware |
| 12:45.28 | wols | perlmonkey: is this WLAN card a PCMCIA one? |
| 12:45.34 | perlmonkey | abrotman: i honestly dont know |
| 12:45.35 | Steven_ | Hello. Is the dvd just one dvd? |
| 12:45.47 | abrotman | perlmonkey: what dirver does the other guy say to use ? |
| 12:46.06 | perlmonkey | wols: i'm not sure, its supposed to be internal so my guess would be minipci? theres a wifi label on the bottom with a part number |
| 12:46.11 | XtYPEWRITEr74v2 | can i install gkrellm-i8k as downloaded package from website to stable |
| 12:46.16 | perlmonkey | he says to use orinoco_cs |
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| 12:46.23 | xand | what laptop is it? |
| 12:46.24 | wfq | Hello, what else would you use exim4 besides setting a mail server up in your particular linux server? For example most cms and e-learning platform uses as sending email system instead of using a smtp class made, for example, in php? |
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| 12:46.25 | XtYPEWRITEr74v2 | ( unstable package ) |
| 12:46.35 | perlmonkey | it's a Toshiba Tecra 9100 |
| 12:46.37 | xand | perlmonkey: get screwdriver and have a look :) |
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| 12:47.02 | perlmonkey | xand: do you where that card is likely to be located? I can't see any covers or places where it can accessed from the back of the case |
| 12:47.15 | perlmonkey | have to take the whole back off to get to the pci bus? |
| 12:47.17 | abrotman | perlmonkey: so load the driver |
| 12:47.25 | perlmonkey | abrotman: it's loaded |
| 12:47.27 | tuv | valdyn, wait.. aptitude slowed down now on a security update, so it might be the security server |
| 12:47.28 | xand | perlmonkey: oh, they're usually under a plastic cover about the size of a floopy disk |
| 12:47.46 | abrotman | xand: mine is under the top piece (though still easy to get to) |
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| 12:48.10 | xand | OH |
| 12:48.18 | perlmonkey | there only covers on back are for memory, and small one at the front which has a weird security screw |
| 12:49.08 | perlmonkey | I dunno what else to do :-/ |
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| 12:49.29 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 12:49.35 | abrotman | aptitude: whats my hardware |
| 12:49.35 | aptitude | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 12:49.36 | perlmonkey | wifi part number is PA3171U-1MPC |
| 12:49.48 | plb | anyone get 2.6.21 in unstable working? |
| 12:49.53 | Talaturen | when i do all parts of fglrx and i am at last part to reconfigure xorg.conf, cant I just open it and change vesa to fglrx or I must do dpkg-reconfigure and change all? |
| 12:50.16 | perlmonkey | abrotman: why? they seem quite a good manufacturer towards linux, they made their own Linux website eh |
| 12:50.43 | abrotman | perlmonkey: does your wifi work? |
| 12:50.47 | perlmonkey | nope |
| 12:50.50 | abrotman | okay then |
| 12:51.05 | xand | mine does... but shitly |
| 12:51.12 | perlmonkey | im not sure the card is even present tho |
| 12:51.16 | wols | Talaturen: you can try just to replace it with fglrx, if it doesn't work then, you can always drxx it |
| 12:51.17 | xand | keeps cutting out |
| 12:51.32 | xand | perlmonkey: got another OS/livecd or something? |
| 12:51.43 | abrotman | perlmonkey: and that defintely looks like a mini-PCI card |
| 12:52.03 | wols | !tell plb about errors |
| 12:52.07 | perlmonkey | no cdrom or floppy on this machine :-/ i have an external usb cdrom tho and i do have network connectivity with my external pcmcia card |
| 12:52.11 | perlmonkey | any suggestions? |
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| 12:52.19 | abrotman | perlmonkey: which means lspci should show it |
| 12:52.24 | perlmonkey | abrotman: ok i agree with you there |
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| 12:52.31 | perlmonkey | it should |
| 12:52.32 | Steven_ | !testing |
| 12:52.37 | abrotman | perlmonkey: run update-pciids .. try again with lspci (no -v) |
| 12:52.42 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 12:52.43 | abrotman | Sayers: bot dead |
| 12:52.51 | Sayers | :( |
| 12:52.52 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg is busted |
| 12:52.56 | abrotman | Sayers: what do you need? |
| 12:53.03 | wols | abrotman: even then, it would shown as unknown |
| 12:53.05 | Sayers | A link to the Lenny disk. |
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| 12:53.13 | abrotman | aptitude: d-i |
| 12:53.14 | aptitude | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 12:53.18 | Sayers | And it needs to be net-install. |
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| 12:54.35 | Sayers | abrotman, Etch seems to be older things, where Testing is probably what I want. |
| 12:54.48 | Talaturen | abrotman, thanks alot for help me with fglrx!! now works 1000+ fps :) |
| 12:55.04 | abrotman | Sayers: and see the URL above |
| 12:55.08 | abrotman | Talaturen: works this time? |
| 12:55.14 | Talaturen | just I did nano xorg.conf and change vesa to fglrx instead of reconfiguring it all |
| 12:55.23 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
| 12:55.33 | perlmonkey | abrotman: no change on lspci :-/ |
| 12:55.56 | wols | perlmonkey: lspci is not changed by anything supposedly. |
| 12:56.01 | wols | except maibe bios settings |
| 12:56.11 | abrotman | perlmonkey: sounds .. not working or broken |
| 12:56.23 | abrotman | perlmonkey: if i lspci .. i see my mini-pci card |
| 12:56.34 | Sayers | abrotman, I don't see the link. |
| 12:56.35 | abrotman | 02:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) |
| 12:56.36 | solar_ant | is there a way to check if my kernel has inotify ? |
| 12:56.44 | abrotman | aptitude: tell Sayers about d-i |
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| 12:56.46 | perlmonkey | damn, it might of been robbed as this laptop was sold to me stripped down |
| 12:56.48 | valdyn | perlmonkey: what does /lastlog perlonkey |
| 12:56.50 | valdyn | ops |
| 12:56.53 | abrotman | Sayers: read the whole thing |
| 12:57.03 | abrotman | perlmonkey: uhm ... |
| 12:57.11 | Sayers | And the link to Lenny is there? |
| 12:57.15 | abrotman | perlmonkey: google for a maintenance manual .. take it apart |
| 12:57.17 | abrotman | Sayers: yes |
| 12:57.26 | valdyn | Sayers: why not use etch d-i? |
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| 12:57.34 | perlmonkey | I'm just puzzled how the wifi LED on front is on, but that might be irrellevant eh |
| 12:57.37 | abrotman | perlmonkey: or monkey with it yourself and figure it out .. minehappens to be under the little plastic piece above the keyboard |
| 12:57.51 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 12:58.02 | perlmonkey | i will have to open it up |
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| 12:58.16 | abrotman | perlmonkey: or maybe try a liveCD like ubuntu or some crap like that .. |
| 12:58.17 | Sayers | valdyn, because Etch seems outdated. |
| 12:58.22 | abrotman | perlmonkey: or give windows a whirl |
| 12:58.30 | abrotman | Sayers: you can install etch and the go to lenny |
| 12:58.33 | abrotman | and then |
| 12:58.39 | valdyn | Sayers: that doesnt make the installer bad |
| 12:59.01 | Sayers | True. Let me whip out my old testing cd that does lenny |
| 12:59.02 | valdyn | Sayers: heck, by your definition of outdated ( 3 months ), you wont see much software that is not |
| 12:59.09 | abrotman | perlmonkey: what's the laptop model ? |
| 12:59.29 | abrotman | nm .. got it |
| 12:59.30 | Sayers | valdyn, while we are on the subject. How do I update the system? |
| 12:59.39 | valdyn | !etch->lenny |
| 12:59.46 | valdyn | !sarge-etch |
| 12:59.50 | plb | does 2.6.21 in unstable work for anyone? |
| 12:59.53 | valdyn | aww, damn bot |
| 13:00.18 | valdyn | Sayers: replace etch with lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list and run 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade' |
| 13:00.50 | Sayers | I know that update. I mean automatic software updates, as in ubuntu? |
| 13:00.51 | valdyn | Sayers: and watch out for packages being removed that you might need. |
| 13:01.15 | valdyn | Sayers: i have no idea what's automatic in ubuntu |
| 13:01.40 | perlmonkey | abrotman: Toshiba Tecra 9100 |
| 13:01.46 | abrotman | i voti it |
| 13:01.54 | abrotman | aptitude: etch->lenny |
| 13:01.55 | aptitude | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 13:01.58 | valdyn | Sayers: and as far as i know, ubuntu too has static releases |
| 13:02.01 | Sayers | valdyn, a little bit down this page : http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbuntu/desktopedition |
| 13:02.30 | valdyn | Sayers: that silly applet? |
| 13:02.46 | Sayers | Silly or not it has updates :s |
| 13:02.46 | abrotman | update-manager |
| 13:02.49 | Sayers | yes |
| 13:02.57 | fire- | what is the main difference between gamin and FAM? Do both tax the system substantially or is it a negligible performance loss |
| 13:03.06 | abrotman | update-manager sucks |
| 13:03.08 | valdyn | Sayers: that's in debian, feel free to install and run it |
| 13:03.08 | _Rubyxx | sorry what is fglrx oneliner?....I see update-pciids from badgers 13:40 posting but it all seems like pretty arcane jargon to me. I have an ATI driver too |
| 13:03.21 | Sayers | abrotman, an alternative? |
| 13:03.32 | simonrvn | cronjob |
| 13:03.35 | abrotman | subscribe to DSAs .. and update as needed ? |
| 13:03.53 | plb | cronjob++ |
| 13:05.04 | valdyn | Sayers: 'updates' means not much at all |
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| 13:05.22 | valdyn | Sayers: ubuntu too does not ship new versions to releases, afaik |
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| 13:06.28 | valdyn | gotta love that applet on sid... |
| 13:06.41 | stoned | what applet on where? |
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| 13:06.50 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 13:06.56 | Hoxzer | what are CXXFLAGS and LDFLAGS suppose to contain ? |
| 13:07.02 | HardDisk_WP | how can I specify the parameters for the saa7134 kernel module at boot time? |
| 13:07.22 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: look at the examples in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 13:07.26 | HardDisk_WP | Doing it in /etc/modules doesnt work because udev loads the driver before /etc/modules |
| 13:07.28 | stoned | SFontFile_1=Data\Fonts\Kingthings_Regular.fnt |
| 13:07.28 | stoned | SFontFile_2=Data\Fonts\Kingthings_Shadowed.fnt |
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| 13:07.39 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: a line to specify options for a module starts with 'options.. |
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| 13:07.41 | stoned | oops |
| 13:07.45 | stoned | where the fuck did that come from |
| 13:08.02 | stoned | oh I'm on putty I accidetnally right clicked, it pastes on right click |
| 13:08.14 | valdyn | geez |
| 13:08.22 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, k |
| 13:08.51 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: you can create a file by your choice there |
| 13:08.54 | schmidtsmikey | hello |
| 13:08.57 | stoned | hi |
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| 13:09.31 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, i dont really understand for what these files ar |
| 13:09.52 | schmidtsmikey | how can i compress a file to a tar.gz archiv without saving the path. i want only archiv the file. |
| 13:09.54 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: did you find a line with 'options.. ? |
| 13:10.29 | schmidtsmikey | tar czf archiv.tar.gz /home/user/file1 |
| 13:11.01 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, in none of the files |
| 13:12.14 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: ok, bad luck, i'll give one: echo "options saa7134 option1 option2" > /etc/modprobe.d/my_saa7134 |
| 13:12.40 | xand | schmidtsmikey: there's no point tarring a single file.... gzip file1 |
| 13:12.44 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, so then would be echo "options saa7134 card=6" > /etc/modprobe.d/my_saa7134 the right for me? |
| 13:13.03 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: yea |
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| 13:15.22 | venkatesh | hi, everytime I login to the GNOME desktop, openoffice writer and epiphany seem to launch automatically. This is happening only recently, after I shutdown the laptop while both these apps were running.. any clues to stop the automadic launching? |
| 13:15.49 | petemc | look into deleting saved sessions |
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| 13:16.34 | valdyn | venkatesh: stop then, run 'gnome-session-save' |
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| 13:18.04 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, thx |
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| 13:18.26 | venkatesh | err.. the ~/.gnome2/session file you meant? |
| 13:18.48 | valdyn | venkatesh: its saved there, but you dont need to edit that file directly.. |
| 13:19.17 | _Rubyxx | Referring to badgers 13: 40 message about fglrx one liner...I am stuckon a stage...when I run modprobe fglrx I get the message "FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 13:19.48 | wols | _Rubyxx: you are not root |
| 13:20.04 | _Rubyxx | I used su - |
| 13:20.10 | venkatesh | oh, so I take it that gnome-session-save is the appropriate front end for the work.. |
| 13:20.22 | _Rubyxx | and the root password |
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| 13:22.00 | aldin | how to mount ntfs partition to be readable to ordinary user (i did this 'mount /dev/hda1 win' and only root sees it) ? |
| 13:22.41 | wols | aldin: set the proper options inthe mount line or fstab |
| 13:22.47 | wols | umask is what you need |
| 13:23.01 | _Rubyxx | wols: how do I proceed or abort? |
| 13:23.36 | wols | _Rubyxx: you insert the module now? |
| 13:24.24 | aldin | wols: look i dont want to have it in fstab i would like to moutn it temporary... |
| 13:24.47 | _Rubyxx | No I changed to root terminal and its still the same...am a bit apprehensive because the previous instructions involved reconfiguring the kernel |
| 13:25.18 | _Rubyxx | I might die soon :( |
| 13:25.31 | wols | aldin: "inthe mount line" |
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| 13:27.07 | wols | reconfiguring how? |
| 13:27.21 | perlmonkey | are bluetooth and wifi minipci likely to use the same slot on a laptop? |
| 13:27.40 | wols | don't think so. what "slot" do you mean? |
| 13:27.44 | perlmonkey | or rather, are bluetooth and minipci wifi cards usually the same size? |
| 13:28.05 | abrotman | you can have a BT mini-pci card |
| 13:28.09 | wols | BT is smaller |
| 13:28.14 | perlmonkey | i have a small cover over a slot on the frontrear of the laptop which says in the Toshiba service guide it's for bluetooth |
| 13:28.25 | abrotman | wols: but it can be mini-pci |
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| 13:28.33 | wols | sure it can, yes |
| 13:28.40 | perlmonkey | maybe this is then for optional configs eh, bluetooth or wifi |
| 13:29.10 | perlmonkey | the damn thing has one of those security screws so i can't remove the cover |
| 13:29.27 | _Rubyxx | rebuilding the kernel. Is that not what the instruction m-a prepare does? |
| 13:29.37 | valdyn | _Rubyxx: no |
| 13:29.43 | wols | _Rubyxx: never |
| 13:29.57 | wols | the only time kernel is touched is with kernel-package |
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| 13:31.09 | apt_get | Hi |
| 13:31.36 | apt_get | I have installed libc6-dev from a unstable sid. Can i downgrade to the stable again? |
| 13:32.26 | wols | !downgrade |
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| 13:32.48 | jelly-home | %downgrade |
| 13:32.48 | badgers | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i ... |
| 13:32.59 | jelly-home | dpkg still dead, huh |
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| 13:33.15 | apt_get | ok |
| 13:33.27 | _Rubyxx | I did a websearch and it seems my problem is pretty unique...the only web reference seems to be from russia. http://lafox.net/support/index.php?showtopic=11349&st=50 . Anybody speak Russian? |
| 13:33.32 | wols | apt_get: you can try and manually downgrade |
| 13:33.35 | wols | via dpkg -i |
| 13:34.01 | apt_get | ok i will try now |
| 13:34.03 | jelly-home | apt_get: if it's the only package you've upgraded, you can try apt-get install package=explicit_version |
| 13:34.04 | wols | but no guarantees you won't kill your system |
| 13:34.15 | wols | so you must have a live-cd handy |
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| 13:34.42 | jelly-home | that factoid could mention apt-get install package/release or package=version |
| 13:34.49 | wfq | is mailx and mail command based on exim4 in Debian? |
| 13:34.52 | aldin | wols: i fount it 'mount /dev/hda1 win/ -o umask=0222' |
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| 13:36.23 | wols | wfq: what has one to do with the other? |
| 13:36.32 | wols | one is a MUA, the other a MTA |
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| 13:36.47 | wfq | well, |
| 13:36.53 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 13:37.09 | valdyn | uh, both are idential |
| 13:37.27 | abrotman | valdyn: exim and mailx ? |
| 13:37.32 | wfq | mail command is the MUA but this one has to send the email to any MTA to be flood along the internet for example, but my question is, what does this MUA use as MTA? |
| 13:37.39 | valdyn | abrotman: mail and mailx |
| 13:37.46 | wols | they system one |
| 13:37.57 | wols | no matter which that is |
| 13:39.27 | wfq | I know it does not matter which one is, but which one does it use?.. in debian for example the default MTA is exim so that means mail command send its mail to exim? |
| 13:39.50 | valdyn | wfq: both use sendmail, which can be provided by any MTA |
| 13:40.35 | wols | wfq: every MTA out tere has a /usr/sbin/sendmail wrapper dummy |
| 13:40.47 | ofirg_ | which imap daimon would you recommend? |
| 13:41.01 | valdyn | ofirg_: for what? |
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| 13:41.43 | wfq | wols, you mean they look for inside /usr/sbin/sendmail and it could be exim, sendmail or whatever |
| 13:41.43 | wfq | ? |
| 13:41.47 | wols | ofirg_: courier or dovecot |
| 13:41.57 | wols | wfq: yes |
| 13:42.15 | wols | valdyn: people who have to ask, you tell them what I did |
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| 13:42.48 | wols | wfq: they don't look inside it. it just calls /usr/sbin/sendmail, what ever that might be |
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| 13:45.14 | wfq | wols, ok I can understand know. |
| 13:45.59 | wols | ain't backwards compatibility and historical baggage great things? |
| 13:46.43 | petemc | sendmail is historical baggage? |
| 13:46.58 | wols | petemc: calling /usr/sbin/sendmail is |
| 13:47.04 | petemc | why so? |
| 13:47.15 | wols | cause of this, every MTA in existance needs to provide this file |
| 13:47.29 | wols | for no reason than to satisfy old, outdated software |
| 13:47.31 | petemc | any sendmail compatible mta you mean |
| 13:47.43 | wols | do you know any other used one? |
| 13:47.47 | petemc | why is it outdated? |
| 13:48.13 | wols | cause newer software speaks smtp and sues port 25 |
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| 13:48.28 | petemc | and the advantages of that are? |
| 13:48.53 | mmlj4 | i think it's a unix thing... unix expects that to work |
| 13:49.04 | wols | porting for example? ever seen /usr/sbin/sendmail on a platform other than *nix? |
| 13:49.14 | wols | mmlj4: yes. for historical reasons |
| 13:49.18 | petemc | how is that factor? |
| 13:49.22 | petemc | +a |
| 13:49.30 | mmlj4 | but you're forgetting unix pipes... you don't want to call to a network socket if you can write to a named pipe |
| 13:49.35 | petemc | whats wrong with unix? |
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| 13:49.54 | wols | nothing is. but software is shit no matter the platform if you can't port it easily to another imho |
| 13:50.03 | wols | this is the same for windows or nix or anything else |
| 13:50.11 | petemc | everything sucks in some capacity |
| 13:50.47 | wols | yes, but this sucks in unneeded ways, except historical reasons as I said |
| 13:51.03 | wols | historical baggage |
| 13:51.10 | petemc | you did some hand wavey stuff, i didnt read anything specific |
| 13:51.23 | wols | porting is hand waving? |
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| 13:51.38 | petemc | porting to what? |
| 13:51.43 | wols | the point of an OS is abstraction. port 25 is abstraction. /usr/sbin/sendmail is not |
| 13:51.51 | wols | porting to anything other but *nix? |
| 13:52.03 | petemc | yes, how is that relevant |
| 13:52.06 | petemc | in real terms |
| 13:52.39 | petemc | i win! |
| 13:52.40 | wols | have fun calling the sendmail wrapper |
| 13:52.46 | wols | !morong petemc |
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| 13:52.52 | petemc | oh dear |
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| 13:53.29 | wols | petemc: your attitude here is the same as some braindead windows user/programmer btw |
| 13:53.35 | jelly-home | meh, /usr/lib/sendmail is just an API. :-) |
| 13:53.37 | wols | now go and troll someone else |
| 13:53.51 | petemc | wols: is it? whys that? |
| 13:53.51 | wols | jelly-home: it's a shitty one := |
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| 13:54.14 | jelly-home | wols: it works, and I prefer it to having the app speak SMTP |
| 13:54.16 | dondelelcaro | wols: not really; it does what it does, and it's better than the alternatives. |
| 13:54.29 | wols | dondelelcaro: why is it better? |
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| 13:54.53 | dondelelcaro | wols: because the alternative assumes that the mail transport system is SMTP |
| 13:55.11 | dondelelcaro | wols: it doesn't have to be at all; there's no need for something that implements /usr/lib/sendmail to even speak SMTP |
| 13:55.30 | wols | just as we now assume them network system is smtp |
| 13:55.36 | wols | erm, tcp/ip |
| 13:56.00 | wols | it alsu assumes there is a /usr/lib/ |
| 13:56.02 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: that's a strange argument, considering that email IS being sent using SMTP nowadays |
| 13:56.20 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it can be, but it doesn't have to be. |
| 13:56.23 | mmlj4 | no, /usr/bin/sendmail is a standard, that's why postfix and everything else retains that file |
| 13:56.44 | wols | mmlj4: standard from where? POSIX? |
| 13:56.49 | dondelelcaro | wols: from LSB |
| 13:56.53 | valdyn | the point is that there's 2 interfaces to the exactly same functionality. One of both is redundant cruft.. |
| 13:56.59 | mmlj4 | again, talking to the network when you don't have to is expensive |
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| 13:57.05 | _Rubyxx | How do I check if I have glibc installed or not and the version? |
| 13:57.24 | wols | _Rubyxx: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 13:57.30 | wols | and you certainly do have installed it |
| 13:57.30 | apt_get | tkz wols |
| 13:57.35 | apt_get | dpkg resolve it |
| 13:57.42 | mmlj4 | wols: posix, shmosix... it's unix, your app can rely on /usr/bin/sendmail and it's going to be there, regardless |
| 13:57.55 | dondelelcaro | mmlj4: not /usr/bin/sendmail; /usr/lib/sendmail. |
| 13:58.04 | wols | mmlj4: unix is defined by POSIX. not LSB (it practically might be soon tho) |
| 13:58.13 | mmlj4 | whichever |
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| 13:58.51 | mmlj4 | you guys assume I'm reading every line you type ;-) |
| 13:58.58 | dondelelcaro | and in any event, if your application wants to talk SMTP, it should be using a library which is capable of talking smtp or talking to sendmail or doing whatever the oprating system it is running on thinks is sane |
| 13:59.16 | aldin | hi, i have installed msttcorefonts but i cant choose them... i see them in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts |
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| 13:59.25 | aldin | how can i use them |
| 13:59.33 | valdyn | aldin: where cant you use them? |
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| 13:59.42 | aldin | in KDe nor iceweasel |
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| 13:59.48 | aldin | i havent try GNOME |
| 14:00.06 | valdyn | aldin: i think you should probably install x-ttcidfont-conf and do what it sais |
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| 14:01.12 | aldin | debian:/home/aldin# apt-get install x-ttcidfont-conf |
| 14:01.16 | aldin | i will logout |
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| 14:02.57 | aldin | no msttcorefonts in 'kcmshell fonts' |
| 14:03.01 | aldin | nor iceweasel |
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| 14:04.42 | _Rubyxx | The web solution to my fglrx-oneliner problem suggests reverting to xorg 6.7 from xorg 7.1. But there is no X-org 6.7 in the package manager..How do I fix this? |
| 14:05.30 | wols | _Rubyxx: what card do you have? |
| 14:05.45 | _Rubyxx | Radeon 9200 |
| 14:06.10 | wols | fglrx will not work for you |
| 14:06.21 | wols | ati hasn't supported your card since last fall or so |
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| 14:06.27 | wols | use the "ati" driver |
| 14:07.29 | wols | btw: there is no Xorg 6.7 in debian |
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| 14:08.48 | jelly-home | _Rubyxx: there's a newer version of fglrx in experimental, that one works with xorg from stable. |
| 14:09.10 | _Rubyxx | oh! so how do I undo all the processes preceding modprobe fglrx in the one-liner...I am afraid that if I switch of my PC that it will not wake up again |
| 14:09.14 | jelly-home | _Rubyxx: but for a 9200, free drivers work just fine |
| 14:09.15 | wols | jelly-home: no fglrx in any debian will work for him. not with that card |
| 14:09.51 | _Rubyxx | switch off |
| 14:09.58 | hundred_ | rebuilt etch kernel for non-pae xen, i cant seem to do the last bit right to get the packages to do the grub management automatically. my notes are at http://www.badpacket.info/junk/blah.txt can anybody tell me what im doing wrong to screw up the grub part? |
| 14:10.31 | _Rubyxx | wols: You don't have to rub it in ;) |
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| 14:10.58 | wols | _Rubyxx: I didn't say it to you but the jelly-home |
| 14:11.18 | _Rubyxx | hmm! some excuse! |
| 14:11.22 | wols | hundred_: your error is you don't use kernel-package |
| 14:11.49 | wols | _Rubyxx: if you want to make people envious of your videocard you need to spend more than 10$ one ebay :P |
| 14:12.10 | jelly-home | like $25? |
| 14:12.17 | _Rubyxx | OK! Ok |
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| 14:15.59 | _Rubyxx | I transferred the 9200 ATI from a new Tiny PC to an old one, which I am using now....Tiny PLC is out of business now.. Thank God!..and don't ask me to give you any details about the motherboard that came pre-installed with the new Tiny PC |
| 14:16.57 | hundred_ | wols: do you have a good link to more information on that? ive got postinst_hook = update-grub\npostrm_hook = update-grub in my kernel-img.conf as is set by default install, but that doesn't seem to do it for me and fr all the docs i see on that, it appears that that should do it |
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| 14:17.26 | wols | hundred_: how did you create your kernel? |
| 14:17.46 | hundred_ | fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version -cli --initrd --revision=0.1 kernel_image modules_image |
| 14:17.47 | wols | and why aren't you using kernel-package? |
| 14:17.56 | solemnwarning | Does debian support SATA CD drives? |
| 14:18.07 | bzed | yes |
| 14:18.09 | wols | why are you mucking in the .conf files? |
| 14:18.19 | solemnwarning | So I can use a SATA cd drive to install debian? |
| 14:18.24 | bzed | yes |
| 14:18.34 | hundred_ | because i need a kernel that supports something the default kernels dont |
| 14:18.37 | solemnwarning | Does it also support installing from USB cdrom? |
| 14:18.42 | wols | solemnwarning: as long as debian supports your sata controller? |
| 14:18.58 | wols | solemnwarning: depends if you can boot from usb |
| 14:19.08 | solemnwarning | If the machine can |
| 14:19.18 | bzed | and there's still the human factor ;) |
| 14:19.18 | solemnwarning | I'm looking at my options for upgrading my server :) |
| 14:19.26 | solemnwarning | s/upgrading/replacing half of it/ |
| 14:19.35 | wols | solemnwarning: upgrading doesn't need any booting/installing... |
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| 14:19.47 | solemnwarning | I'm not sure what CD drive to get |
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| 14:20.04 | wols | solemnwarning: what for? |
| 14:20.12 | solemnwarning | Incase I ever need to reinstall it |
| 14:20.18 | solemnwarning | Or load somthing from a cd |
| 14:20.24 | hundred_ | wols: so you dont know how to do it with a custom config? |
| 14:20.53 | wols | no, but you don't need to muck with it I'd say |
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| 14:21.10 | wols | cause no matter the kernel package does, there is always vi /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:21.10 | hundred_ | thanks anyway |
| 14:21.11 | solemnwarning | hundred_: Are you trying to make an initrd for a custom kernel? |
| 14:21.18 | twobitsprite | how long does it usually take a new release of gnash to enter testing? |
| 14:21.26 | Talaturen | hi, what is repository i put in sources.list for wine? |
| 14:21.32 | hundred_ | solemnwarning: yeah. ive got an initrd process that works, but it doesnt do the grub hooks automatically |
| 14:21.36 | wols | Talaturen: debian.org? |
| 14:21.39 | solemnwarning | ah |
| 14:21.48 | solemnwarning | Just edit menu.lst :P |
| 14:21.52 | Talaturen | wols, it dont have wine? |
| 14:22.05 | wols | !find wine etch |
| 14:22.24 | hundred_ | solemnwarning: :) hehe. i know i can do that, its just ugly by comparison. was wondering what that last bit of debian magic is to get that working automatically |
| 14:22.27 | Talaturen | wols, nvm I found |
| 14:22.30 | wols | Talaturen: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=wine&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
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| 14:25.08 | Rusty1_ | hello, is there a command that will list the packages that depend on foo |
| 14:26.07 | sepski | Rusty1_, tried apt-cache rdepens ? |
| 14:26.29 | stoned | apt-cache depends pkg |
| 14:26.34 | stoned | man apt-cache |
| 14:26.35 | mirak | what is the best 5.1 mixer supported by linux ? |
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| 14:27.56 | bzed | mirak: i doubt that amtters for 5.1. as long as the mixer is able to mix several sources in hardware, it's fine. if you're looking for something professional, I think you wouldn;t ask for 5.1 |
| 14:28.22 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
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| 14:29.12 | bzed | mirak: but I also think you want to ask in #alsa |
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| 14:29.23 | infernix | is there any documentation on how to build with 32bit libs on amd64? i'm trying to build a 32bit mplayer on my amd64 box for w32codecs support |
| 14:29.44 | bzed | mirak: or in ##linuxaudio |
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| 14:31.18 | mirak | bzed: no I have a sound balster live and the controls are awfull |
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| 14:31.26 | mirak | it's irrational |
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| 14:32.00 | mirak | when you push the back speaker it change also the trebles and basses |
| 14:32.38 | matt_ | hello, i'm using knoppix to setup an encrypted root, and every time i boot i have to apt-get update and install the packages i need, can i just copy a directory to a nfs directory and copy it back everytime i need to boot ? |
| 14:32.56 | matt_ | i'm not worried about the packages but the apt-get update takes a little time |
| 14:33.50 | hundred_ | solemnwarning, wols: looks like update-grub only scans for kernels named vmlinuz-* in /boot since my process creates a kernel binary named xen0-*, the grub-update doesnt see it. i've just got to figure out how to get the kernel renamed in the built package. i can probably figure that out on my own. thanks for the help |
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| 14:35.10 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
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| 14:36.02 | rahul | dpkg is still dead? |
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| 14:37.18 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: no bot!! |
| 14:37.25 | abrotman | well .. there are many bots |
| 14:37.34 | rahul | yeah, like me |
| 14:37.47 | cydork | rahul: botsnack |
| 14:37.47 | norepi | no bots here...look away |
| 14:37.54 | abrotman | i just found out that there are factoids in dpkg that key on nonprintable chars |
| 14:37.59 | abrotman | botsnack |
| 14:38.35 | rahul | wow, I got drunk last night |
| 14:38.43 | cydork | rahul: that's new? |
| 14:38.48 | rahul | I'm gonna need more revive that this... |
| 14:38.59 | abrotman | � |
| 14:38.59 | rahul | cydork: no, it's about 12 hours old :P |
| 14:39.16 | rahul | abrotman: the vitamin water |
| 14:39.22 | zamuro | Bhaal: u there? |
| 14:39.36 | rahul | purple stuff with vitamin C, B vitamins, and potassium |
| 14:39.38 | _Rubyxx | I gotta empty glass here...Send me some |
| 14:40.04 | abrotman | zamuro: ? |
| 14:40.09 | _Rubyxx | not good |
| 14:40.11 | rahul | that should have enough alcohol :P |
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| 14:40.33 | zamuro | abrotman: ?? |
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| 14:40.46 | rahul | shit. I gotta get a shower so I can get going to the jerz |
| 14:40.47 | abrotman | zamuro: he has that scripted |
| 14:40.48 | Rusty1_ | sepski, ty stoned , you're up too early :) |
| 14:40.56 | abrotman | rahul: and you'll have to shower when you return :) |
| 14:41.02 | rahul | heh! |
| 14:41.04 | flixil | Hello, i just tried to install xfce official debian cd without network... and it doesn't ask for user name or password and for root password... |
| 14:41.24 | flixil | so it installs such that typing users just give root, and without password :) |
| 14:41.32 | abrotman | that's not Debian |
| 14:41.33 | flixil | Just to make you know if there is any dev here |
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| 14:42.04 | rahul | flixil: erm, where did you get this CD? |
| 14:42.08 | rahul | exact url |
| 14:42.21 | flixil | I'll look it now |
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| 14:43.17 | rahul | hrm |
| 14:43.24 | flixil | ftp://ftp.caliu.info/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 14:43.24 | rahul | I was supposed to do something to the bar's myspace |
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| 14:43.50 | flixil | that's a repo official and it's on the dhttp://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ page |
| 14:44.01 | rahul | oh right, the sign about checking your balls before entering the bar... I need that usb cable to get the pics off my phone :\ |
| 14:44.20 | flixil | abrotman: why do you say that that's not debian? |
| 14:44.32 | rahul | flixil: that path looks like one for an official debian install cd... |
| 14:44.42 | rahul | but what on earth did you do to it? |
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| 14:46.05 | flixil | just installing and following the instructions... one step after each other... it's not a problem for me using adduser, but i just wanted somebody to know |
| 14:46.25 | rahul | well, other people haven't had that issue |
| 14:46.33 | rahul | at least none that I've heard |
| 14:46.35 | cydork | flixil: hmm there was a bug similar to that. |
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| 14:46.51 | humbolto | Is it possible to install a XEN domU on an encrypted partition? |
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| 14:47.01 | rahul | cydork: it logs in as root into X at boot? |
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| 14:47.10 | cydork | !dbugs 400766 |
| 14:47.17 | rahul | no bot |
| 14:47.19 | flixil | i just did something different... that was going to f2 to have a shell... mounting a partition... cat /etc/fstab and then umount and going again on the installation program |
| 14:47.22 | cydork | bah dpkg is dead.. |
| 14:47.23 | stoned | hey rahul |
| 14:47.24 | abrotman | cydork: no bot! |
| 14:47.28 | abrotman | aptitude: dbugs 400766 |
| 14:47.29 | cydork | http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=400766 |
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| 14:47.32 | aptitude | DONE:#400766:N[user-setup] user-setup: using (go back) leads to a system without root-password and without sudo; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:48:10 UTC |
| 14:47.39 | rahul | dude. man. |
| 14:47.52 | cydork | but it was fixed afaik.. dont tell me it's back again. |
| 14:48.07 | flixil | well when i typed root on login... it loged (tty) without prompting for password |
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| 14:48.24 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 14:48.24 | dpkg | Since Sat May 26 11:05:02 2007, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 3h 43m 1s this session, and currently reference 37352 factoids. I'm using about 15072 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1.27/0.08 child 0/0 |
| 14:48.25 | abrotman | dpkg: hi! |
| 14:48.25 | dpkg | hi |
| 14:48.45 | dondelelcaro | the bot was here, but not on channel for some reason |
| 14:48.51 | raqamy | how to configure the netwrok in debian? |
| 14:49.03 | dondelelcaro | !interfaces |
| 14:49.04 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 14:49.06 | k31th | Hi guys, just wondering really what would you reccomend for a VPN solutions for a small business with 25 employees about 20 remote workers. Do you think a Linux solutions would work? they would be working with XP desktops... basically im thinking either Linux or Cisco ? |
| 14:49.08 | cydork | flixil: try #debian-boot on oftc |
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| 14:49.35 | dondelelcaro | k31th: openvpn is what I'd recommend. |
| 14:49.50 | cydork | flixil: also see if you can reproduce it. if yes it's a bug. |
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| 14:49.52 | k31th | dondelelcaro: works well from a windows machine? |
| 14:50.13 | k31th | i.e they can connect ok? they will be roaming users basically. |
| 14:50.30 | flixil | ok let's try |
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| 14:50.59 | flixil | i'll try to reproduce it |
| 14:51.47 | flixil | anyway... can somebody explain me how can i connect a pc to a laptop witch is connected to internet via wifi to have internet on the pc? |
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| 14:51.57 | dondelelcaro | k31th: from what I've been told, yes; I don't use windows machines though. |
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| 14:52.15 | cydork | flixil: you can use ipmask |
| 14:52.22 | cydork | ipmasq |
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| 14:53.23 | flixil | internet -- laptop (wlan) -- laptop (eth) -- pc(eth) |
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| 14:53.33 | flixil | that's what i wanna do, but i don't know a lot about networks |
| 14:53.54 | matt_ | intresting setup |
| 14:53.59 | flixil | i don't have a eth cable crossed but i have a switch and 2 eth cables |
| 14:54.05 | matt_ | people normally route through static computers |
| 14:54.07 | flixil | and it's gonna be provisional |
| 14:54.13 | cydork | !ipmasq |
| 14:54.13 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 14:55.53 | flixil | ok thanks... i'll take a look but that's a very extensive manual :) |
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| 14:57.21 | flixil | i know the route program... and i've used it... do i need to use iptables? i'm quite afraid of them :) |
| 14:58.03 | abrotman | try the ipmasq package first |
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| 14:58.41 | flixil | ok :) |
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| 14:59.00 | wols | flixil: ipmasq and dnsmasq and you're happy |
| 14:59.38 | flixil | well now i'm trying to reproduce that bug... then i'll try :) thanks in advance |
| 15:00.19 | hiae | oi |
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| 15:01.30 | _Rubyxx | dpkg Ipmasq isn't available for my main PC...different distro . So I have been unable to build a Linux network on the second PC which I am using now...I have two dual-boot PCs but I can only setup a Windows - Linux network, not a Linux-Linux network :( |
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| 15:01.47 | flixil | ohhh now it asks for the root password... |
| 15:01.50 | flixil | i don't understand it |
| 15:01.58 | flixil | the installation goes smoth now |
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| 15:02.11 | cydork | flixil: did you do something differently lasttime? |
| 15:02.33 | flixil | i mounted a partition and cat /etc/fstab and umount it |
| 15:02.50 | flixil | on an other console |
| 15:03.01 | flixil | i think that nothing else |
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| 15:03.50 | cydork | flixil: you didn't go back or anything? |
| 15:04.03 | flixil | well i didn't |
| 15:04.05 | flixil | now i wen't back |
| 15:04.16 | flixil | to see the name of the menus and write down all i was doing |
| 15:04.35 | flixil | can this be the difference? |
| 15:04.40 | kromagg | anyone know if there's some bugs reported recently against the gnome/gtk filechooser? I'd look it up but I'm not sure about the package |
| 15:05.47 | cydork | flixil: don't think so. |
| 15:06.21 | cydork | flixil: if you can remember all the things you did the first time round, try to follow exact steps. |
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| 15:07.12 | flixil | The problem is that i cannot remember exactly if i went back or not... Arg... i cannot reproduce the bug |
| 15:07.33 | flixil | It should be a log of what you do when you install |
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| 15:08.51 | flixil | Well if someone says that happened the same to him when instaling maybe then you will be able to reproduce it |
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| 15:10.49 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.13 | rahul | also timings |
| 15:11.22 | Southern | re |
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| 15:12.28 | flixil | rahul: oh i didn't know... i formated the partition again when i was trying to reproduce the problem |
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| 15:18.41 | edistar | is there a sparc channel? |
| 15:18.45 | tarzeau | edistar: #sparc |
| 15:18.52 | edistar | debian sparc I mean |
| 15:18.57 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 15:18.57 | dpkg | from memory, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 15:19.01 | tarzeau | edistar: yes, that't there as well |
| 15:19.06 | RichiH | #debian-sparc |
| 15:19.27 | tarzeau | RichiH: ##debian-sparc really and it's emptz |
| 15:19.34 | tarzeau | RichiH: the #sparc channel HAS debian people |
| 15:19.57 | tarzeau | can i tell apt-get to download only with say 10kb/s ? |
| 15:20.34 | tarzeau | ah redir maybe |
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| 15:21.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: trickle |
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| 15:22.45 | tekk | hi guys, i want to buy a pci sata controller card for an old box, before i buy one, i was wondering about support in debian, do they use a generic standard, or some propietry standard? |
| 15:22.59 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 15:22.59 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 15:23.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: trickle is much easier! |
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| 15:23.46 | tekk | thanks |
| 15:23.46 | dpkg | tekk: pas de quoi |
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| 15:25.36 | Scurz | Hi |
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| 15:25.47 | Ankman | yo |
| 15:25.53 | Scurz | I have a problem to install mrtg : http://paste.debian.net/28909 ; have you a idea ? |
| 15:25.54 | Kevin` | !find bin/mdadm |
| 15:26.02 | Sayers | Ankman, yo |
| 15:26.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/mdadm' (1): (/sbin/{mdadm|mdadm-startall}) in admin/mdadm. |
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| 15:26.15 | Sayers | Can I run debian on this : http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4898005 |
| 15:26.36 | Kevin` | why does apt-get say package mdadm has no installation candidate? |
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| 15:27.09 | debianer | is there any way to run i386 pkg on amd64 kernel? |
| 15:27.30 | debianer | the reason for the question is many pkgs I need do not have amd64 version |
| 15:27.51 | debianer | or is there anyway that I can revert to i386 from amd64? |
| 15:27.56 | tarzeau | debianer: which for example? |
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| 15:28.02 | empath | Sayers, i guess so |
| 15:28.02 | Ankman | Sayers: you can run it on any computer |
| 15:28.02 | Scurz | nobody for my problem ? |
| 15:28.10 | tarzeau | debianer: maybe with debootstrap |
| 15:28.13 | xand | debianer: I'm sure if the package was suitable for amd64 it'd be there... which package(s)? |
| 15:28.16 | Ankman | question is if all hardware is already supported |
| 15:28.23 | debianer | tarzeau: http://technowizah.com/2006/11/debian-how-to-writing-to-ntfs.html |
| 15:28.29 | debianer | ntfs write... |
| 15:28.29 | Ankman | otherwise a question of time or tweaking |
| 15:28.47 | Sayers | Ankman, that isn't a computer, it is an external hard drive. |
| 15:28.59 | tarzeau | debianer: i'm reading... |
| 15:29.09 | Ankman | oh, i didn't check sorry |
| 15:29.23 | debianer | xand: I want to run piscara of google. skype |
| 15:29.50 | debianer | also, what is the easiest way to enable ntfs write? |
| 15:29.55 | xand | !ntfs |
| 15:29.55 | dpkg | ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 15:30.05 | xand | !ntfs-3g |
| 15:30.05 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
| 15:30.21 | debianer | tarzeau: I need the package for ntfs, but it only has i386 pkgs for etch |
| 15:30.28 | tarzeau | debianer: ah i see |
| 15:30.41 | tarzeau | debianer: they probably won't just work , building on amd64... |
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| 15:31.08 | tarzeau | debianer: i tried to use ntfs on sparc once, didn't work (early 2.6 kernel ntfs) |
| 15:31.25 | Ankman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyBook says it would ruin linux itlsef? *g* |
| 15:31.29 | Ankman | run |
| 15:31.31 | Ankman | damn |
| 15:31.33 | MoDaX | debianer: take ntfs-3g from testing |
| 15:32.04 | debianer | xand: the problem is ntfs-3g pkg only has sid pkgs and i386 pkg for etch |
| 15:32.04 | MoDaX | debianer: as for skype and piscara, they should run with ia32-libs installed |
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| 15:32.35 | debianer | MoDaX: I tried to pull ntfs-3g for testing, but it needs to update other key pkgs. |
| 15:32.59 | debianer | MoDaX: sorry, I tried ntfs-3g with sid. maybe testing will work? |
| 15:33.18 | MoDaX | debianer: yes, sid's won't |
| 15:33.50 | debianer | great. |
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| 15:37.35 | debianer | what is ia64? what's it for? |
| 15:37.49 | Wyzard | debianer: That's Itanium, aka Itanic |
| 15:38.07 | Wyzard | Intel's earlier 64-bit architecture that's not backward-compatible with x86 |
| 15:38.34 | Wyzard | It didn't catch on because it couldn't run existing software (which was all built for x86) very well, having to use software emulation |
| 15:38.49 | MoDaX | debianer: intel itanium |
| 15:38.57 | debianer | I see. |
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| 15:40.05 | Ronin` | heh, blown power supplies suck, nice to see though i didn't completely fix my mouse problems |
| 15:40.14 | Ronin` | seem to only have up and down avaiable heh |
| 15:40.28 | Wyzard | That sounds like a broken mouse |
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| 15:40.46 | Ronin` | Wyzard: worked perfectly until the ps died on me |
| 15:41.04 | Wyzard | broken mouse due to a power spike, perhaps? |
| 15:41.11 | Wyzard | Try it on a different computer |
| 15:41.41 | MoDaX | or broken port (if ps2) |
| 15:41.41 | Ronin` | planning on it, also have a back up usb mouse here somewhere im going to try |
| 15:41.46 | Wyzard | If it's mechanical (as opposed to optical), horizontal and vertical movement use different sensors, so it's possible for one to break while the other still works |
| 15:41.56 | kidde | Trying to get tv-out with free Radeon driver - looks like crazy vroll on TV, suggestions? |
| 15:42.07 | Wyzard | MoDaX: unlikely... there aren't separate wires for horizontal and vertical signals, afaik |
| 15:42.24 | debianer | MoDaX: why do I need ia32-libs for skype? |
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| 15:42.44 | MoDaX | debianer: because it's ia32 app |
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| 15:43.22 | MoDaX | it=skype |
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| 15:43.40 | debianer | I see. thanks |
| 15:44.43 | MoDaX | I've been running system(s) for over 2,5 years on the desktop. sometimes ia32 debian chroot was unavoidable |
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| 15:44.53 | MoDaX | amd64 system(s)* |
| 15:44.55 | MoDaX | I mean |
| 15:45.37 | MoDaX | but I think, for skype ia32-libs should suffice |
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| 15:46.05 | |HellTiger| | what hase better drivers amd or intel ? |
| 15:46.55 | debianer | MoDaX: it worked. |
| 15:46.59 | MoDaX | |HellTiger|: for what devices? |
| 15:47.00 | cast | |HellTiger|: ...drivers for what? |
| 15:47.16 | debianer | MoDaX: but do yuo have problems of finding pkgs for amd64? |
| 15:48.25 | MoDaX | debianer: no. but I don't use much external software |
| 15:49.32 | Sweetandy | Is there a scratchpad type feature in OOo2? |
| 15:49.37 | MoDaX | debianer: if you have to deal with proprietary c**p much, then this might be a problem |
| 15:50.03 | MoDaX | Sweetandy: #openoffice.org |
| 15:50.44 | Sweetandy | MoDaX, Aye |
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| 15:53.31 | jdhore | what is the command to make a list of all packages i have installed from apt? |
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| 15:54.35 | jdhore | and have it dump that list into a text file |
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| 15:55.39 | MoDaX | jdhore: dpkg --get-selections |
| 15:55.52 | Sweetandy | You can get a list in Aptitude, but not with a text dump |
| 15:56.11 | jdhore | i don't see a list anywhere |
| 15:56.17 | streuner | !listvals get-selections |
| 15:56.19 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'get-selections' by value (5): debian clone ;; package reselect ;; ffs copy ;; reinstall ;; list all packages. |
| 15:56.31 | jdhore | i ran that in my home direcotry and it didn't produce the list in a text-file |
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| 15:56.53 | streuner | !debian clone |
| 15:56.53 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 15:57.09 | jdhore | thank you |
| 15:57.09 | dpkg | jdhore: no problem |
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| 15:57.25 | jdhore | haha...love it... |
| 15:58.26 | sudo_maddash | su -c dpkg: -L dtach |
| 15:58.36 | sudo_maddash | whoops. |
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| 15:59.00 | Zap-W | why does it say not to use nscd with nss-mysql ?? |
| 15:59.23 | Rakker | Hello, is it possible to recreate a cd iso from the debian dvd? So if I have all the dvds, I can make cds with them, since my laptop does not have a dvd player |
| 15:59.30 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: debian clone is also you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 15:59.30 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 15:59.41 | Wyzard | Rakker: Yes, you can do that with jigdo |
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| 15:59.48 | tarzeau | !aptitude clone |
| 15:59.48 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine. |
| 16:00.01 | jdhore | hmm...i pray this works...i'm backing up my xorg.conf, sources.list, fstab, menu.lst and that selection file...can anyone think of what other conf files i should backup for a reformat? |
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| 16:00.14 | tarzeau | jdhore: apt-get install ibackup, say ibackup linux |
| 16:00.15 | Kornholijo | abrotman: hio |
| 16:00.17 | Wyzard | Rakker: You'd need to download the .jigdo and .template files for the CDs, but those are only a few megabytes |
| 16:00.21 | tarzeau | jdhore: and you'll have all /etc |
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| 16:00.38 | Rakker | Wyzard: thank you, I will do some reading :) |
| 16:00.40 | jdhore | i don't have the space :( |
| 16:00.53 | Ronin | there thats better |
| 16:01.08 | Wyzard | Rakker: The point of jigdo is to download all the .deb files individually, and use them together with the "template" to produce the full CD image |
| 16:01.36 | Rakker | Wyzard: so basically i'm telling Jigdo to "download" the packets from the dvd |
| 16:01.43 | Wyzard | Rakker: exactly |
| 16:01.47 | Rakker | sweet :) |
| 16:02.28 | Wyzard | The jigdo-lite tool will default to trying to download... you might find the more simplistic jigdo-file tool more appropriate in this case |
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| 16:03.28 | Wyzard | Rakker: jigdo-file --jigdo=cd1.jigdo --template=cd1.template --image=cd1.iso -c /mnt/dvd1 |
| 16:03.49 | bintut | what can you recommend for an mp3/ogg/aac and streaming radio (shoutcast) player that only uses a web based interface? |
| 16:04.04 | Wyzard | Rakker: That'll scan your first DVD and assemble as much of the first CD image as it can with the files that are found (which is probably all of them) |
| 16:04.07 | rahul | bintut: that sucks |
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| 16:04.18 | rahul | a web interface for a media player? |
| 16:04.39 | Wyzard | Rakker: The scanning will take a few minutes, but the "-c" tells it to cache what it finds, so you can very quickly run the same command for all the other CD images |
| 16:04.43 | rahul | that's like a voice-activated car... that doesn't steer itself |
| 16:05.05 | bintut | rahul: i have a box that doesn't have an X window system |
| 16:05.12 | rahul | so? |
| 16:05.16 | bintut | rahul: and i want to control it via web |
| 16:05.25 | rahul | evil. |
| 16:05.32 | Wyzard | Rakker: Then you'd unmount DVD1 and mount DVD2, and repeat: run a bunch of instances of jigdo-file, once for each CD, to continue assembling the CD images using the new pool of files |
| 16:05.42 | Wyzard | Rakker: Repeast for DVD3 and you're done |
| 16:05.50 | Wyzard | *repeat |
| 16:06.01 | Rakker | Wyzard: great, seems easy enough for me to do :P Thanks again |
| 16:06.27 | rahul | why should these curses be laid upon me? |
| 16:06.36 | rahul | I won't be forgiven till I can break free |
| 16:06.52 | rahul | what did I do to deserve all this guilt |
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| 16:07.20 | rahul | damn squirrels |
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| 16:07.37 | jetx | are we there yet |
| 16:07.41 | rahul | someone to save me. something to save me from myself. to bring salvation. to exorcise this hell. |
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| 16:07.57 | jetx | !sacrifice rahul |
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| 16:08.07 | xand | :D |
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| 16:09.23 | rahul | I know they're crying for help reaching out. the burden of them will take me down as well. the sin of a thousand souls not died in vain... reincarnates to let me live again! |
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| 16:10.25 | rahul | it's amazing how an old fart can still sing so powerfully |
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| 16:15.21 | N0S3 | hello , i cannot install the package tzdata-2007f-3 , this is corrupt? |
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| 16:15.40 | Wyzard | What happens when you try to install it? |
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| 16:16.13 | rahul | I installed it yesterday |
| 16:16.25 | Sweetandy | is there a sticky note application? |
| 16:16.44 | matt_ | Sweetandy, theres a adesklets app |
| 16:17.14 | rahul | emacs's *scratch* buffer, heh |
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| 16:17.32 | rahul | I mean, just open a file in a text editor... what's the diff? |
| 16:17.40 | sudo_maddash | Sweetandy: google.com/search?q=x11+sticky+notes |
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| 16:18.06 | sudo_maddash | rahul: the degree of "stickyness" (or lackthereof) |
| 16:18.27 | rahul | sticky to what? |
| 16:18.55 | kth`` | Anyone has experience with bluetooth mice with BT_HCIUSB on linux? Are there any quirks/features(tm) I should know about? How hard is it to get working? |
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| 16:19.34 | sobersabre | hi. I'm checking NAS boxes of 1-3TB |
| 16:19.45 | sobersabre | most support CIFS, and only some support NFS |
| 16:19.59 | sobersabre | I want to use it for linux users' home dirs. |
| 16:20.12 | bzed | sobersabre: and most of them are insanely slow |
| 16:20.24 | bzed | why not use an old pc instead? |
| 16:20.40 | sobersabre | bzed: I also have an offer of an IBM server Euro Stor |
| 16:20.42 | xand | sobersabre: you'll be wanting nfs then.. maybe take bzed's advice |
| 16:20.58 | sobersabre | xand, bzed you guys don't even know my requirements :) |
| 16:21.10 | sobersabre | I have about 100 machines. |
| 16:21.21 | bzed | sobersabre: if you have such huge requirements, you don;t want to go with a cheap NAS box |
| 16:21.25 | DawnLight | do the etch dvds currently contain non-us? |
| 16:21.36 | tarzeau | !non-us |
| 16:21.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
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| 16:21.41 | sobersabre | bzed: ... what names you know to look for ? |
| 16:22.04 | bzed | sobersabre: lol. we're serving about 2000 users and 500 machines with an old dual xeon p4, and the machine doesn;t even have a load of 0.5 |
| 16:22.16 | ma3x | if I somehow screw up debian, is it possible to copy the whole /etc /dev /proc ...... from the backup to the system partition? |
| 16:22.44 | DawnLight | thanks for that. so jigdo doesn't download some files, says it can't find them. perhaps they got updated? |
| 16:22.44 | dpkg | DawnLight: de nada |
| 16:22.46 | sobersabre | bzed: I have some I/O to perform to, not only to "browse internet" |
| 16:23.03 | ma3x | thanks for that |
| 16:23.03 | dpkg | de nada, ma3x |
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| 16:23.10 | ma3x | thanks |
| 16:23.10 | dpkg | ma3x: my pleasure |
| 16:23.18 | bzed | sobersabre: we're serving 7TB of storage with it |
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| 16:23.38 | DawnLight | no thanks |
| 16:23.39 | bzed | sobersabre: including clusters rendering 3d models |
| 16:23.43 | sobersabre | bzed: what storage setup do you use ? |
| 16:23.50 | ma3x | bzed, what do you use that storage for? |
| 16:23.58 | ma3x | web server? |
| 16:24.11 | sobersabre | ma3x: rendering 3d models, man. |
| 16:24.35 | bzed | sobersabre: emc cx500 mainly, some FC switches and one fileserver at the moment |
| 16:24.40 | ma3x | sobersabre, like what for example? games? |
| 16:24.53 | bzed | sobersabre: emc hardware sucks, though :P |
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| 16:25.26 | bzed | except you get the active/active models for MUCH money |
| 16:25.41 | xand | sobersabre: I would use a proper server for that many machines |
| 16:26.17 | bzed | yeah, wwhat we have is a proper server, just not the latest model, it's running since 5 years or so |
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| 16:26.41 | bzed | sobersabre: don;t /msg me |
| 16:27.09 | bzed | sobersabre: we don't have an intimate relationship, so we can talk here. |
| 16:27.36 | sobersabre | I have intimate relationship with anybody if it is mutual. |
| 16:27.53 | Ronin | pardon? heh |
| 16:27.56 | bzed | eww |
| 16:28.07 | sobersabre | well, if it isn't, no problem. sorry for interferring with your virtual intimacy |
| 16:28.23 | bzed | sobersabre: it could be interesting for other people, don;t you think so ? |
| 16:28.39 | sobersabre | bzed: it will be after I discover what's wrong :) |
| 16:28.57 | sobersabre | anyway, I'm trying to troubleshoot nfs. |
| 16:29.08 | bzed | sobersabre: are you sure nfs is your speed problem? |
| 16:29.17 | sobersabre | #I've made sure hosts files of the clients have server's |
| 16:29.29 | sobersabre | bzed: I have no idea. the fileserver doesn't seem loaded too much |
| 16:29.32 | sobersabre | but nfs lags. |
| 16:29.47 | sobersabre | nfs is not slow. |
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| 16:30.16 | sobersabre | host.conf says: order hosts,bind |
| 16:30.17 | sobersabre | multi on |
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| 16:30.27 | sobersabre | nsswitch uses 1st files, then dns |
| 16:30.29 | yosef_ | HI, How can I know the list of all installed packages ? |
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| 16:30.54 | bzed | sobersabre: are you using the async option in your /etc/exports? |
| 16:30.56 | sobersabre | export if done simply: /home *(rw,async,no_subtree_check) |
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| 16:30.59 | sobersabre | yes |
| 16:30.59 | bzed | yosef_: dpkg -l |
| 16:31.23 | bzed | you really export it to * ? make sure you have a good firewall :) |
| 16:31.37 | sobersabre | bzed: I am inside a VLAN. |
| 16:31.44 | sobersabre | nfs doesn't escape out. |
| 16:32.07 | sobersabre | bzed: besides portmap filters some stuff out. |
| 16:32.15 | sobersabre | via hosts.allow |
| 16:32.19 | sobersabre | and hosts.deny |
| 16:32.25 | sobersabre | bzed: I am clueless. |
| 16:32.36 | sobersabre | why the hell it lags!!! |
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| 16:32.46 | yosef_ | bezed: ok, Thank you. I want to make copy to all and past in another pc to install it in same time, is it posible to get this list withyou the discription and the version? |
| 16:32.53 | bzed | nfs can be pretty much pain :) does cifs/samba work well sobersabre ? |
| 16:33.09 | sobersabre | bzed: clients currently don't use it. |
| 16:33.31 | sobersabre | I don't want to mix stuff. |
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| 16:33.31 | bzed | yosef_: man dpkg, read the --get-selections and --set-selections part |
| 16:33.38 | sobersabre | bzed: do you think it'd give me some insight ? |
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| 16:34.18 | bzed | sobersabre: first I'd run bonnie++ on your server and on a directory which is mounted via nfs and check, if there's a HUGE difference |
| 16:34.41 | bzed | sobersabre: lags usually sound like a DNS problem |
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| 16:35.19 | afaict4 | Morning folks! |
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| 16:35.39 | bzed | sobersabre: check your /etc/nsswitch.conf, especially for the mdsn-resolver stuff, make sure you have files and dns as first entries, and move the mdns stuff to the end |
| 16:35.50 | bzed | sobersabre: make sure you use the same NFS version on all machines |
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| 16:36.03 | sobersabre | bzed: I cannot use the same nfs version. |
| 16:36.11 | sobersabre | Do you think this can be THE problem? |
| 16:36.20 | sobersabre | wow... |
| 16:36.26 | sobersabre | that'd explain. |
| 16:36.29 | afaict4 | I cant load my ethernet card in 2.6.21-3. I think it might be a bug ? take a look: http://paste.husk.org/8337. |
| 16:36.33 | sobersabre | how can I verify ? |
| 16:37.28 | bzed | sobersabre: try it. nfs is a little beast, the only way to figure things out is to test it |
| 16:37.50 | bzed | sobersabre: which kind of clients do you have? |
| 16:37.53 | bzed | sobersabre: all linux? |
| 16:38.28 | afaict4 | Im running 2.6.21-3. My ethernet card loads but take a look: http://paste.husk.org/8337. |
| 16:38.36 | sobersabre | yes. but distros and versions vary: rh 7.3, 8, 9, sles9, debian 4.0 |
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| 16:38.47 | bzed | afaict4: are you using ubuntu? |
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| 16:38.56 | sobersabre | bzed: one sled10 |
| 16:39.08 | afaict4 | bzed debian. i got the same problem using stable kernel 2.6.18-4-686. |
| 16:39.12 | sobersabre | several rhel3 compatible ( from cern ) |
| 16:39.13 | jetx | i always had the best luck getting nfs going w/o a firewall, then enabling the fw (then plugging the intarweb back in) |
| 16:39.15 | afaict4 | bzed debian 4.0 |
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| 16:40.17 | afaict4 | bzed and its so strange. When I run debian 4.0 installation the ethernet card loads ok |
| 16:40.18 | bzed | sobersabre: there's also an old NFS v3 implementation, and a NFSv4 with NFSv3 support. you need to find a way which works will all I could imagine. I'd probably give the old v3 a test, or at least use the v3 support of the v4 implementation |
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| 16:40.41 | afaict4 | bzed did you look my paste? |
| 16:40.54 | jetx | iirc i had better luck with the userspace nfs than the kernelspace , but i forget |
| 16:40.59 | bzed | afaict4: yeah, unfortunately I have no diea :\ |
| 16:41.16 | bzed | jetx: but that's another pain, it's in userspace and _slow_ |
| 16:41.16 | afaict4 | bzed i thought it could be an alias problem. |
| 16:41.31 | bzed | afaict4: what's the output of ifconfig -a ? |
| 16:41.40 | ma3x | if I somehow screw up debian, is it possible to restore (copy) all the /etc /dev /proc ? |
| 16:42.06 | jetx | ma3x: yeah i just do it from a livecd, cp -a |
| 16:42.11 | jetx | other methods function |
| 16:42.20 | afaict4 | bzed I dont know the output of ifconfig -a |
| 16:42.32 | bzed | afaict4: run it and put it in a apstebin :) |
| 16:42.42 | jetx | ma3x: what you don't want is the /dev or /proc :o |
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| 16:42.44 | ma3x | jetx, -a means archive but what does it do? is it like -R (recursive) ? |
| 16:42.51 | jetx | at least not when the os is running |
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| 16:43.03 | ma3x | jetx, about live cd method I'm talking |
| 16:43.08 | jetx | ma3x: it means archive in dos |
| 16:43.11 | bzed | afaict4: same for the output of lspci | grep -i ether |
| 16:43.13 | DawnLight | does anyone know of a light fixtures control for linux? |
| 16:43.16 | jetx | man cp |
| 16:43.26 | jetx | it's like -R on steroids |
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| 16:43.37 | ma3x | jetx, can you explain exactly this function? |
| 16:43.41 | jetx | oh... permissions and stuff |
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| 16:43.45 | jetx | yes.. man cp |
| 16:43.53 | ma3x | well it doesn't say anything about permissions |
| 16:44.00 | ma3x | just -a, --archive |
| 16:44.00 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.01 | jetx | look for -a |
| 16:44.04 | jetx | aha |
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| 16:44.51 | ma3x | ok it says same as -dpR so when you look at those it explains well |
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| 16:45.05 | jetx | you already know what R does |
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| 16:45.11 | arisv | how can I change in xterm, the bash3-1 into username@hostmask? |
| 16:45.21 | ma3x | yeah |
| 16:46.11 | jetx | edit .bashrc or .bash_profile, arisv .. i forget which |
| 16:46.11 | arisv | aha ok |
| 16:46.11 | jetx | in ~ |
| 16:46.11 | bzed | jetx: -a == -dpR |
| 16:46.11 | ma3x | bzed, yeah we got that |
| 16:46.11 | afaict4 | bzed thank you man |
| 16:47.47 | jetx | bzed: i care :) cp -a /clonethis /here works for me |
| 16:47.47 | afaict4 | bzed dmesg shows dmfe is loading in eth0 and then an alias is created to eth1. |
| 16:47.47 | jetx | see also cp -a /clonethis/* /here/ |
| 16:47.47 | bzed | afaict4: aah :) |
| 16:47.48 | afaict4 | bzed its so strange. lol. i will look into /etc to find this alias |
| 16:47.48 | ma3x | does mondoarchive preserve the permissions, timestamps ... ? |
| 16:47.48 | afaict4 | bzed /me rebooting |
| 16:47.48 | bzed | afaict4: that's something you could change in the udev rules |
| 16:47.48 | afaict4 | bzed thank you |
| 16:47.48 | afaict4 | bzed udev ? ok |
| 16:47.48 | bzed | afaict4: yeah, it's some generated file, forgot it's name |
| 16:47.49 | jetx | i --purged udev this morning... guess i have to reroll the initrd |
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| 16:47.53 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:52.45 | MrMiste1 | I'm gonna buy a set of etch disks, could someone tell me the difference between the cd and dvd sets (i386). I'm looking for a complete and standard etch disk set, but there's a 1.5 gig difference between the cd's/dvd's. |
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| 16:54.08 | mike1o | any dj's here? |
| 16:54.18 | MrMiste1 | debian jockeys |
| 16:54.23 | mike1o | ehehe |
| 16:54.30 | mike1o | excatly! |
| 16:54.35 | mike1o | *exactly |
| 16:54.50 | mike1o | oops |
| 16:56.14 | MrMiste1 | so is there any difference between the sets? at first I thought it would be because of the kde/xfce cd's, but they come on the dvd too apparently |
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| 16:56.32 | jetx | wtf is this linux syimlink in /usr/src |
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| 16:57.01 | jetx | everybody just gave up eh |
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| 16:57.21 | MrMiste1 | doesn't that link to the current kernel source |
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| 16:57.26 | cast | jetx: the one that links to your sources... |
| 16:57.31 | jetx | or did linus change his mind about that symlink |
| 16:57.46 | MrMiste1 | yeah, in about 1995 |
| 16:58.08 | jetx | ok then make that 'again' |
| 16:58.15 | MrMiste1 | i'm sure it links to the kernel source tree |
| 16:58.20 | MrMiste1 | it should be safe to delete |
| 16:58.26 | cast | MrMiste1: it does. |
| 16:58.51 | jetx | 2-3 yrs ago he said it was bad form or something i forget the exact words |
| 16:58.51 | cast | jetx: ahh who cares what a kernel dev says :D |
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| 16:59.09 | jetx | but here in the past ?weeks/months debian creates it |
| 16:59.17 | wfq | does anyone konow if the clamav-daemon package is available for testing and stable debian version. I have tried to install it but I guess that is only possible in unstable version |
| 16:59.28 | jetx | hasn't since woody |
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| 16:59.36 | jetx | afaik |
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| 17:00.04 | jetx | wfq: got contrib non-free ? |
| 17:00.25 | jetx | !find clam etch |
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| 17:00.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'clam' (6 of 39): (/usr/bin/cclambda) in science/psi3 ;; (/usr/bin/kmail_clamav.sh) in mail/kmail ;; (/usr/share/axyl/lib/img/_exclam.gif) in web/axyl ;; (/etc/cron.daily/clamav-data) in utils/clamav-data ;; (/etc/tenshi/includes-available/clamav) in admin/tenshi ;; (/etc/prelude-lml/ruleset/clamav.rules) in admin/prelude-lml. |
| 17:01.05 | wfq | debian asks me for libclamav2 (>= 0.90.2), and that is the problem, I can find it in my distribution |
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| 17:01.24 | wfq | can i take from non-free? |
| 17:01.57 | jetx | wfq: i think you need contrib non-free in sources for clamav, not positive |
| 17:02.12 | jetx | !clamav |
| 17:02.12 | dpkg | somebody said clamav was a widely used free(GPL/FLOSS) antivirus software toolkit for Unix-like operating systems. It is mainly used with a mail exchange server as a server-side email virus scanner. apt-get install avscan; for a gtk+ gui. ClamAV can be configured to automatically update its list of virus definitions via the Internet. Both ClamAV itself and the updates are made available free of charge. http://www.clamav.net |
| 17:02.12 | jetx | maybe not |
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| 17:02.44 | Chty | hello all |
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| 17:02.44 | PaulLS | Hi all -- I've just ran aptitude update/upgrade on sarge and ended up having to killall apache2 to get the libapache2-php-mod package to finish updating... now apache2ctl won't start apache... any ideas? |
| 17:02.59 | wfq | jetx, got it. I thought that was absolutely free |
| 17:03.37 | jetx | cah-ching! (kernel done) |
| 17:03.50 | wols | wfq: so is gcc-doc. still: it's not in debian |
| 17:04.26 | jetx | it's in non-free isn't it wols? |
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| 17:05.04 | wfq | that wols, isn't? |
| 17:05.12 | wols | jetx: non-free is not debian. only main is |
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| 17:05.28 | wols | debian is very anal about such things :) |
| 17:05.36 | jetx | i 'thought' that was what you were implying/operating under |
| 17:05.53 | Chty | How can I allow some commands in SSH for some users ? |
| 17:07.01 | wfq | jetx, so the problem is that is not free and Debian does not support it? |
| 17:07.08 | wfq | Chty, use sudo |
| 17:07.26 | Chty | wfq: ooh... ok man thanks |
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| 17:08.26 | Gurax | Hello all. I have a question that is exim4 related. I have recently deploied a binary debian bundled installation of exim. Until now I have used compiled from source and am quite familiar with the generic eximm confing file, one single file. In turn, debian has it split into various parts located under several directories. And while I know where to add the option "smtp_accept_max_per_host = 20" in the generic file, I can't seem to figure.... |
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| 17:08.40 | Gurax | ... where does that go into the debian specific setup. |
| 17:08.45 | Gurax | Anyone can help? |
| 17:09.03 | wfq | gurax |
| 17:09.20 | wfq | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 17:09.27 | wfq | and say not in the split option |
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| 17:09.31 | bzed | Chty: use rssh to limit the commands a user can do |
| 17:09.46 | wfq | in onder to get everything in a file only |
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| 17:10.14 | Toast | Hi, I've got two network cards in my server. I'm trying to allow a device connected via one network card to connect to a daemon which is bound to the other network card. After reading up on iptables, I think I may be looking at the wrong solution. Is there a better way to set up a static route? |
| 17:10.44 | Gurax | wfq: I have tried that but the thing is that this setup I use for greylisting only and i have found that the greylistd package works better and is cleaner with the split version. That's why I was seeking the part where in the many-files type does that go. |
| 17:10.58 | cast | i'd probably feel better with systrace over rssh, but that needs a kernel patch :< |
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| 17:11.10 | Chty | bzed: not sudo as wfq said ? |
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| 17:11.43 | bzed | Chty: you use sudo to allow people to run things as a different user, mainly as root |
| 17:13.08 | wfq | Chty, I can imagine what you want is to give some more rights which belong to root to some users. Otherwise use what bzed told you |
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| 17:13.39 | Chty | wfq: ok |
| 17:13.45 | Chty | bzed: ok |
| 17:13.57 | wfq | wols, so I can't install clamav-daemon by free. it belongs to non-free software? |
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| 17:14.19 | Gurax | Toast: doesn't the device connected at card 1 find the daemon at card 2 find it simply by ip refference? |
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| 17:14.54 | wfq | Gurax, Have you tried to install clamav-daemon to be used with exim4? |
| 17:15.30 | Toast | Gurax: No, there is no routing set up |
| 17:15.34 | Gurax | wfq: no. I don't do antivirus scanning at the server side.. not yet at least. |
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| 17:15.56 | Toast | I've just found the man page for the route command... I'll give that a read. |
| 17:16.03 | Gurax | Toast: For any reason you don't want routing enabled? |
| 17:16.15 | bzed | wfq: clamav-daemon is i main |
| 17:16.23 | Chty | bzed: rssh is only to have scp, sftp but if I want some others commands, I can't |
| 17:16.27 | bzed | wfq: can't see the problem you have with non-free |
| 17:16.53 | wfq | no one |
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| 17:16.56 | wfq | I just want to install it |
| 17:17.01 | Toast | gurax: for now I would be happy to turn it on, but eventually O need to firewall he two networks. |
| 17:17.24 | Gurax | wfq: from what I've read it shouldn't be difficult to add clamav support to exim. It has the section ready and commented, I've seen that somewhere. |
| 17:17.33 | bzed | wfq: aptitude install clamav-daemon then. |
| 17:18.22 | Toast | Please excuse the slow typing... baby in one hand, keyboard in other! |
| 17:18.22 | bzed | wfq: what you really wanna use imho is amavis-new to filter your mails |
| 17:18.22 | wfq | but when i try, debian asks me for dependes what i can find in my stable version. The question is i have added a deb route taken out from an article. |
| 17:18.48 | wfq | yes |
| 17:18.53 | wols | !non-free |
| 17:18.54 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
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| 17:19.46 | gros | Hi. I'm trying to plug a PTP camera (A Canon IXUS 850 IS) on a debian testing system. It is properly recognized by the system, and indeed has a rule in the libgphoto2.rules file of udev. However, it keeps assigning the "root" group to the matching /proc/bus/usb device, with read-only permission for group access. What could be broken and any idea on how I could solve this ? |
| 17:19.50 | solemnwarning | Does a HVM CPU give better performance then a non-HVM CPU when I'm only using xen to run xen-modified Linux? |
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| 17:20.56 | Toast | ok, alittle more readin for me. I may be back later if I cant get it to work! |
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| 17:21.58 | wols | solemnwarning: it does if HVM is what you mean |
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| 17:21.59 | wols | *is what I think you mean |
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| 17:22.58 | Gurax | Toast: I think all needed to do to turn on routing is: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 17:23.28 | bzed | wfq: amavisd-new is in main, too |
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| 17:23.42 | bzed | wfq: care to explain what you're really doing? |
| 17:23.53 | wols | Toast: static routes are set to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:24.03 | foo | http://x01.ath.cx/temp/debian_watchdog.log - any ideas on this error? I'm googling now. blah, debian doesn't like the hardware I seem to put it on. abrotman knows :) |
| 17:24.15 | wols | and Gurax is right: as soon as packets are forwarded this way, your linux will act as a switch |
| 17:24.31 | foo | an/me googles |
| 17:24.34 | wols | anotehr way is bridging and assigning the interface made by the bridge an IP if you can |
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| 17:25.09 | wols | foo: what network chip? |
| 17:25.19 | Gurax | wols: I guess his situation is simpler than that. He has a device connected to card1 which needs the service of a daemon that listens only at card2 |
| 17:25.20 | valdyn | foo: cabling issues? |
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| 17:25.42 | Toast | thanks. have to go as baby crying... will try that and be back later. |
| 17:25.42 | dpkg | Toast: de rien |
| 17:26.57 | jetscreamer | how do i regenerate initrd |
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| 17:26.58 | foo | valdyn: Not cabling. I've had 5+ issues with the NIC cards + debian etch on all different hardware |
| 17:26.58 | valdyn | jetscreamer: reinstall the kernel image |
| 17:26.58 | jetscreamer | valdyn: and if it's gone? |
| 17:26.58 | foo | wols: 00:0a.0 0200: 10ec:8139 (rev 10) (I think that's what you're after) |
| 17:26.59 | valdyn | jetscreamer: mkinitrd with some options that i can probabluy dig up |
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| 17:27.17 | wols | foo: not really but it tells me what it is realtek 8139 |
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| 17:27.34 | wols | foo: if cabling is definitely ok, go and spend another 10 bucks for another one |
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| 17:28.21 | wols | foo: and: this NIC hcip is the easiest to work with under linux |
| 17:28.21 | foo | wols: eh, yeah, boy I'd love to do that... because I've gotten so much crap for having this card... but it's not an option. |
| 17:28.21 | laci | hi |
| 17:28.22 | foo | wols: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=492159 .. apparently others are having issues |
| 17:28.23 | Thms | can I cp -ar / /to-somewhere-else/ while I am using my system ? |
| 17:28.35 | wols | foo: I have this card too. it's a shit card but a trustworthy one |
| 17:28.37 | foo | wols: hm, not an option because of the data center we work with :/ blah. |
| 17:28.47 | foo | wols: ah, I see. |
| 17:29.20 | laci | could somebody help me how can i sign packages during the building and not with manually debsign package.dsc? |
| 17:29.28 | laci | i use pbuilder |
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| 17:29.55 | laci | and i can't setup it to autosign after creating a package |
| 17:30.03 | Gurax | Thms: I have never tried but I think, it would be ok. |
| 17:30.16 | Thms | Gurax: ok thanks |
| 17:30.20 | kth`` | Hmm... Is there a way to disable the annoying 'install this plugin or die' message popping up on top of webpages in iceweasel? It's annoying to see it on every site with flash |
| 17:30.40 | xand | kth``: adblock plus |
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| 17:32.32 | *** topic/#debian is ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new testing! | /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 17:32.34 | wols | chafe: with 700+ nicks? what did you expect? |
| 17:32.40 | chafe | :] |
| 17:32.41 | Gurax | wols: Now that I think of it.. what if there's a volume mounted at say /mntpoint1 ? What would the copy with startpoint "/" do? |
| 17:32.45 | kth`` | For a suppressing a freaking message? But... That's so retarded >_> |
| 17:33.04 | wols | Gurax: recursive copy! unless you tell it not to follow mountpoints |
| 17:33.26 | wols | kth``: your attitude is too |
| 17:33.27 | Gurax | wols: that's what Thms might want to do as well |
| 17:33.28 | chemaja | http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/ |
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| 17:34.29 | kth`` | wols, is it? Apologies then :( |
| 17:34.55 | wols | kth``: unless you find something in about:config ir write your own swf dummy plugin, you don't have any options imho |
| 17:35.27 | wols | and ffox was built with extensions in mind. flashblock is a small one |
| 17:35.27 | valdyn | kth``: the solution to no plugins for what people want is implementing everything in the browser itself, that is silly |
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| 17:35.57 | kth`` | wols, actually I did find it just now :\ plugin.default_plugin_disabled set to false does the trick |
| 17:36.14 | talisker | WTF I leave home running apache and when I come back I run thttpd? |
| 17:36.15 | wols | probably disables others likie pdf or java too |
| 17:36.27 | kth`` | I seem to master at answering my own questions only after I ask them in a public place :\ |
| 17:36.40 | Gurax | lol kth`` |
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| 17:37.09 | talisker | kth``, I sympathise, I seem to be a chess grandmaster at commenting other people's games |
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| 17:38.44 | Drawenmark | Hi. I'm trying to plug a PTP camera (A Canon IXUS 850 IS) on a debian testing system. It is properly recognized by the system, and indeed has a rule in the libgphoto2.rules file of udev. However, it keeps assigning the "root" group to the matching /proc/bus/usb device, with read-only permission for group access. What could be broken and any idea on how I could solve this ? |
| 17:38.55 | kth`` | I prefer my pdfs in separate window, and no java for amd64... I think Sun is trying to beat a record for a feature request time in their bts or something :P |
| 17:39.13 | kth`` | About 3 years since first requests on their bts, and still no amd64 plugin :P |
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| 17:40.28 | wols | kth``: java is/will be GPLed soon |
| 17:40.32 | wols | you might get your wish |
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| 17:40.39 | wols | if sun agrees or not |
| 17:41.54 | Hellmark | Quick question, I was wondering if anyone had issues upgrading to KDE 3.5.7 on Sid. Installed fine through apt-get, but, things like Konqueror, didnt function properly (refused to show anything in the window other than the tool bar, and complained of missing MIME types). I didnt know if this was a known issue, or if it had been rectified |
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| 17:42.34 | teclo | Hello, I have a scsi controller, but I can't see it in /proc/interrupts. It is supported, and the devices connected to it work very well... any idea ? |
| 17:42.49 | wols | Hellmark: checked BTS? |
| 17:43.06 | kth`` | I surely hope they do... It's annoying to keep 32 bit stuff just to run a measly applet when you suddenly need it |
| 17:43.39 | Hellmark | when I last looked, it wasnt listed, wols. checking again |
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| 17:44.02 | wols | if you already looked: why do you ask? |
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| 17:45.45 | Hellmark | Wols, sometimes I've seen it where it wasnt in BTS for some reason, but people knew of the issue, and possibly how to fix it |
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| 17:48.00 | DawnLight | jigdo-lite is complaining about ONE file out of a whole DVD which doesn't match the sum in the .jigdo file... isn't that ironic? it says that the file on the server had probebly changed since the .jigdo file and the .template file were created. that sucks a bit. i've tried different servers. is there anything i can do or shall i wait for the .jigdo and .template to update? jigdo-lite mentions something about rsync. shall i check |
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| 17:49.09 | KnowledgEngineer | hello |
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| 17:49.31 | KnowledgEngineer | someone can tall me what is the lust one skype version for linux? |
| 17:49.55 | Kartoffelsalat | where can i post an package problem in debian sid? (pidgin is not compatible with pidgin-data ~.~) |
| 17:50.09 | foo | wols: FYI, I added noapci ... which should do the trick. I had this problem before, and that was the solution. *shrug* |
| 17:50.13 | Kartoffelsalat | pidgin-data is updated, pidgin itself is older |
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| 17:50.42 | schme | Pidgin will probably be updated any day then. |
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| 17:51.04 | martiancode | alight so anybody tried dbdesigner4 from fabforce.net before? |
| 17:51.08 | Kartoffelsalat | hm... but this is stupid, isn't it? |
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| 17:52.18 | schme | No, it is the nature of sid. |
| 17:52.48 | Kartoffelsalat | hm... ok - i thougt the group oder guys which update the package do update them together Oo. thanks for your information :) |
| 17:53.04 | Kartoffelsalat | wah, what a sentence... |
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| 17:53.25 | martiancode | actually I meant to ask if anyone tried it and had problems starting it |
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| 17:54.06 | schme | Well who knows. Maybe they do, maybe the don't. Either way it might be that the mirror you are using hasn't synced the pidgin package yet. |
| 17:54.43 | Kartoffelsalat | i use the offical bla.debian.org mirror via ftp... i think, i must look up... but it should be the official |
| 17:55.07 | martiancode | ok nevermind guys I found the info I was seeking thanks anyway :-) |
| 17:55.16 | Kartoffelsalat | ftp.de.debian.org || i can wait :) |
| 17:55.49 | wwallace | http://paste.debian.net/28934 |
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| 17:56.15 | schme | Ya. I doubt it is a "bug". Most likely that the one package has not been updated yet. And seeing how sid is supposed to be unstable it doesn't strike me as worth reporting. |
| 17:56.17 | schme | :) |
| 17:56.57 | Kartoffelsalat | ok :) |
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| 17:57.41 | nzk | Whats a good ftp server |
| 17:57.51 | Kartoffelsalat | where can i read the rules of adding own packages to the debian project? i looked debian.org up, but i haven't found the rules |
| 17:57.58 | Vasistha | nzk: vsftpd |
| 17:58.49 | Vasistha | !mentors |
| 17:58.49 | dpkg | well, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 17:59.05 | Vasistha | ^^^ good places to investigate, Kartoffelsalat |
| 17:59.12 | bzed | Kartoffelsalat: also you want to read trough all the fine things on http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
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| 18:03.22 | nzk | Vasistha, how do i make a default dir for vsftpd |
| 18:03.35 | Vasistha | nzk: dunno. read the manual? |
| 18:03.43 | nzk | i did |
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| 18:04.02 | Vasistha | !giyf |
| 18:04.02 | dpkg | [giyf] Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux |
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| 18:07.44 | Bushmills | g'day |
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| 18:08.23 | Kornholijo | !giyf !!! |
| 18:08.25 | Kornholijo | !giyf |
| 18:08.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, giyf is Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux |
| 18:08.33 | Kornholijo | =] |
| 18:09.18 | Hellmark | ok, found a listing for the bug, #425474. However, no solution is listed other than logging out and logging back in, which didnt seem to work |
| 18:09.28 | DawnLight | is that google with a penguin? |
| 18:10.16 | ma3x | is there a mondo help channel on freenode? |
| 18:10.24 | tarzeau | ma3x: i think so |
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| 18:10.30 | ma3x | tarzeau, where? |
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| 18:10.34 | tarzeau | ma3x: #mondo |
| 18:10.37 | lavamind | hello |
| 18:10.55 | Bushmills | i'm looking for a program similar to dnotify, which hooks execution of a program into change of contents in a directory, but it should have a configuration file, which allows to specify what to execute for change in what directory. dnotify seems to require once instance for each program to execute, as actions can't be specified on a per-directory base. any ideas? |
| 18:10.56 | ma3x | tarzeau, 3 users |
| 18:11.09 | lavamind | is it possible to compile a kernel tree module without rebuilding the entire kernel ? |
| 18:11.37 | Vasistha | lavamind: check out module assistant, I believe that's what it's for |
| 18:11.40 | Vasistha | !m-a |
| 18:11.40 | dpkg | it has been said that module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 18:11.44 | tarzeau | ma3x: so? |
| 18:11.44 | lavamind | i've read how to build out of tree modules, using module assistant, but haven't found anything yet about compiling in-tree modules |
| 18:12.35 | ma3x | tarzeau, so they can't help - they're away |
| 18:12.35 | tarzeau | ma3x: just ask and wait 8 hours |
| 18:12.36 | Wyzard | Bushmills: apt-cache show incron |
| 18:12.36 | ma3x | tarzeau, yeah right for every single detail I'll wait 8 hours |
| 18:12.36 | ma3x | tarzeau, do you know it a little bit? |
| 18:12.36 | tarzeau | ma3x: or figure out yourself. |
| 18:12.36 | lavamind | ok so module-assistant can also build modules included in linux-source-x.x.x.x ? |
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| 18:12.36 | tarzeau | ma3x: no i don't use mondo |
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| 18:12.43 | Vasistha | lavamind: well, if you look in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ ... you'll see that the modules are there, so there's no reason you shouldn't be able to replace them |
| 18:13.02 | Bushmills | Wyzard: that looks good, i'll check it out. Thanks! |
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| 18:13.07 | tarzeau | ma3x: i use www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ , ibackup and rsync |
| 18:13.10 | ma3x | tarzeau, I can't - I'm trying to skip more than 10 directories - but it says I have to specify them with the -J option. and the -J option is for "including" files. but not for excluding |
| 18:13.23 | pegue | is there a clone of 'exposé' for linux? |
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| 18:13.52 | tarzeau | pegue: kompose (kde) |
| 18:13.54 | Wyzard | pegue: That'd be a feature of a window manager... I believe Beryl can do that, though Beryl isn't packaged in Debian |
| 18:14.05 | ma3x | tarzeau, that's for the whole partition (uber). what about excluding files? |
| 18:14.15 | tarzeau | pegue: http://staff.osuosl.org/~cshields/images/kde35-3.png |
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| 18:14.27 | tarzeau | ma3x: ibackup can do that |
| 18:14.37 | pegue | yeah, beryl does, but it's already a little buggy |
| 18:14.39 | tarzeau | ma3x: it's basically a tar frontend |
| 18:15.20 | pegue | so, i need kde... |
| 18:15.32 | Bushmills | pegue: have a look at skippy |
| 18:15.47 | ma3x | tarzeau, if I later boot from live CD, if I want to extract only one directory I should extract the whole tarball? |
| 18:16.03 | lavamind | Vasistha, what i need to do is build a specific module (i915) that I erroneously left out when I configured/built my custom kernel, so its not in /lib/modules |
| 18:16.15 | tarzeau | ma3x: you need to adapt the ibackup to your needs, it's possible as user or systemwide. read it |
| 18:16.19 | pegue | i tried, but the server sends a 403 error (forbiden) |
| 18:16.24 | tarzeau | ma3x: or do something yourself, maybe w/ rsync |
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| 18:16.48 | ma3x | tarzeau, if you were to copy everything but /home/ma3x, what would you type? |
| 18:16.49 | Vasistha | lavamind: I think you ought to be able to do that with m-a ... I've never actually used m-a myself, but this is the impression I've gotten from other people, and from asking others about the same thing |
| 18:16.54 | ma3x | tarzeau, with rsync... |
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| 18:17.06 | pegue | where could i find skippy? |
| 18:17.08 | Vasistha | ma3x: look in ''man rsync'' for the exclude part |
| 18:17.21 | lavamind | Vasistha, ok, I will check it out more closely |
| 18:17.33 | plb | I install 2.6.21-686 on unstable and upon rebooting it just sits at Begin: Waiting for root filesystem...... anyone have an idea? |
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| 18:18.06 | Vasistha | plb: you've got your initrd set up properly? |
| 18:18.25 | plb | Vasistha: I'd imagine? I never touched it |
| 18:18.30 | plb | just default settings |
| 18:18.35 | plb | works fine on 2.6.20 |
| 18:19.04 | Vasistha | plb: maybe you should check? and also check and make sure your boot options and bootloader root options, etc., are all correct |
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| 18:23.16 | ma3x | I want to specify 2 directories to --exclude in rsync. do I separate them with a , or with a space |
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| 18:23.49 | Vasistha | !tias |
| 18:23.49 | dpkg | tias is, like, try it and see, or what you should have done first |
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| 18:25.16 | plb | damn pidgin-data is broken as well...ah the joys of unstable |
| 18:25.19 | roots | hi i'd like to make stastistic about the installed programe of my computer. Do existe command or programme for this ? |
| 18:25.40 | Wyzard | plb: pidgin is working fine for me (in sid) |
| 18:25.58 | plb | you probably already had it installed.. |
| 18:26.11 | plb | I'm doing a clean install |
| 18:26.15 | Wyzard | I installed it a few days ago |
| 18:26.21 | plb | pidgin-data is broken today =) |
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| 18:26.56 | Vasistha | roots: dpkg --get-selections and dpkg -l |
| 18:27.06 | Wyzard | The pidgin-data in unstable today is the same one that I installed last Sunday |
| 18:27.12 | roots | Ok thanks |
| 18:27.23 | ma3x | file has vanished: "/proc/2/task/2/exe" |
| 18:27.23 | ma3x | file has vanished: "/proc/3/exe" |
| 18:27.28 | ma3x | why does it show that? |
| 18:27.45 | ma3x | rsync -avz / --exclude /media/,/home/ma3x/ |
| 18:27.47 | ma3x | that's what i use |
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| 18:28.40 | plb | Wyzard: pidgin: Depends: pidgin-data (< 2.0.0+dfsg.1-z) but 2.0.1-1 is to be installed E: Broken packages |
| 18:28.42 | prium` | using grub's stage 2 eltorito boot disk, is there a way to view available partitions? |
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| 18:30.42 | plb | brb |
| 18:30.42 | BullWeivel | how can i tell what bootloader im using??? I thought this box was using LILO...but somehow after doing an upgrade to 2.6 I can't run lilo anymore and its not installed.... |
| 18:30.42 | Vasistha | ma3x: you should also exclude /dev /proc and /sys |
| 18:30.43 | roots | Thanks Vasistha ! But where can i find the size of the named programs ? |
| 18:30.43 | dpkg | no problem, roots |
| 18:30.43 | martiancode | ok guys as this is my frist time with bluetooth adapters I had to seek your help |
| 18:30.43 | martiancode | trying to connect a Nokia N70 mobile phone via bluetooth |
| 18:30.43 | Vasistha | roots: hmm. well, if you still have the .deb's hanging around in /var/cache/apt/archives then you can call dpkg -c on them, pipe to awk and get a sum |
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| 18:30.44 | Vasistha | !wayttd roots |
| 18:30.44 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, roots? |
| 18:30.44 | BullWeivel | how can you tell what bootloader you are using????? |
| 18:30.44 | martiancode | trying to transfere files between it and the PC but don't know which approach should I follow to do so |
| 18:31.19 | Wyzard | ma3x: mkdir /mnt/tmp; mount --bind / /mnt/tmp |
| 18:31.21 | Vasistha | BullWeivel: hmm ... that info's stored in the MBR. I'm not actually sure how to check it ... but, if you only have *one* of grub or lilo installed, then that's probably the one you're using |
| 18:31.23 | Wyzard | ma3x: The do your rsync in /mnt/tmp |
| 18:31.34 | roots | Look i have 5 Go of programe and i really don't know what eat my hard disk ! |
| 18:31.36 | Wyzard | ma3x: That way it won't see the other filesystems mounted on top of / |
| 18:31.56 | Vasistha | BullWeivel: dpkg -l grub lilo # see which one has 'ii' for installed at the beginning of the line |
| 18:31.59 | roots | I want to select the program by size. dpkg |
| 18:32.43 | Vasistha | roots: what version of debian are you using? cat /etc/issue |
| 18:32.51 | martiancode | ah forgot to ask the bot ! |
| 18:33.09 | roots | The last |
| 18:33.19 | Vasistha | roots: cat /etc/issue |
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| 18:34.18 | roots | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
| 18:35.27 | Vasistha | roots: how did you install, what did you install, and how long have you been using this system? 5 GB is kind of a lot... there are several ways to go about cleaning up |
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| 18:36.17 | enouf | BullWeivel: what's file -s /dev/hda say .. replace with correct device (sda, hdd, whatever) |
| 18:37.46 | roots | yes too much but if i have 5 GB it's too long to show you the list, well. For this reason i make an investigation ! |
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| 18:38.38 | dondelelcaro | roots: you should probably be using aptitude and have marked all of the packages that you don't specifically want as automatically installed. |
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| 18:38.54 | dondelelcaro | roots: then those that you no longer need will be removed if nothing depends upon them. |
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| 18:39.26 | roots | Yes good idea dondelelcaro but i looking more simple like a list by example. |
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| 18:39.38 | dondelelcaro | roots: aptitude will give you that list |
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| 18:40.39 | Vasistha | roots: the thing is, suppose you have a package called "foo" which you don't need. "foo" might be quite small itself, but it might be pulling in 15 dependencies and, while each one isn't that big, the sum of all 15 turns out to take a lot of space. |
| 18:41.34 | roots | Really ! |
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| 18:42.12 | Vasistha | roots: it's going to be difficult to detect that sort of thing by looking at, e.g., file sizes in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ... as you mark stuff for uninstallation with aptitude's front-end, though, the status bar at the top will show how much space in MB will be restored when you finalize the uninstallation |
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| 18:44.27 | roots | Humm ! Ok. Look i made vim /var/cache/apt/archives and you say that after i can make : dpkg -c ? |
| 18:46.37 | Vasistha | roots: I think what you should really do is run 'aptitude' |
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| 18:47.32 | bts3685|work | is the ftp.us.debian.org mirror down? |
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| 18:48.10 | bts3685|work | i mean, it pings for me but when i try to do anything with apt, it's dead |
| 18:48.13 | Vasistha | roots: are you running aptitude yet? When you do, I have a recommendation for you. |
| 18:48.44 | Wyzard | bts3685|work: ftp.us.debian.org is a round-robin DNS record that points to a different server each time you use it |
| 18:48.47 | asg-slug | bts3685|work: one of the rotation servers is having issues. Just try again until you get another one. |
| 18:48.57 | lavamind | when using an initrd, does one need to re-create it when compiling a new custom kernel of the same version (2.6.21) but of an updated package version (-2 from -1) |
| 18:49.03 | Wyzard | ...though actually, it only seems to cycle between two servers |
| 18:49.25 | bts3685|work | AH. tx asg-slug and Wyzard!! |
| 18:50.00 | Wyzard | lavamind: In general you should always regenerate the initrd when you install a new vmlinuz |
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| 18:50.21 | Wyzard | lavamind: but the package should be doing it automatically anyway, so you don't need to worry about it |
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| 18:51.11 | lavamind | Wyzard, I'm using loop-aes encrypted root partition, so I need to use a build-initrd.sh script |
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| 18:52.00 | roots | Vasistha, Yes here i am ! aptitude is open ! |
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| 18:52.27 | Vasistha | roots: alright, you can explore a little first, if you like, but when you are ready to start looking for stuff to uninstall I'll give you a tip... |
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| 18:52.59 | Vasistha | roots: press 'l' ... what that will do (after we specify some parameters) is to filter the list so you're only looking at a subset of the installed and uninstalled packages... |
| 18:53.07 | Wyzard | lavamind: I'm using LVM on dm-crypt on RAID-5 and mkinitramfs handles it just fine |
| 18:53.15 | roots | ok wait a little : l |
| 18:53.17 | ma3x | Wyzard, you said I should also exclude /dev . what if I accidently remove /dev how will I restore it? |
| 18:53.22 | concept10 | anyone know about linux based software for automation and control? More on the industrial side of things.. I want to make a garage door opener (as example) |
| 18:53.26 | Vasistha | roots: the parameters to specify are: ~i!(~prequired|~pimportant) |
| 18:53.28 | roots | yes ok |
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| 18:53.40 | tarzeau | concept10: controlled over serial port? parallel? usb? |
| 18:53.58 | Wyzard | ma3x: I'd imagine mkinitramfs supports loop-aes too, since the installer lets you create loop-aes partitions |
| 18:53.59 | bts3685|work | concept10: my guess would be infrared over serial? |
| 18:54.05 | Wyzard | ma3x: oops, ignore that |
| 18:54.15 | Wyzard | lavamind: I'd imagine mkinitramfs supports loop-aes too, since the installer lets you create loop-aes partitions |
| 18:54.30 | concept10 | bts3685|work, well, that would be a part of it. |
| 18:54.32 | silent_ | I'm switching to linux |
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| 18:54.36 | silent_ | today |
| 18:54.54 | simon23 | hi, i got a dsl router which is manufactured by avm its a fritzbox fon. and the webinterface is disabled somehow. |
| 18:54.58 | Vasistha | roots: the ~i means installed packages: when you're trying to save disk space, that's all we care about -- the installed ones. the ! means "not", and what follows ! is packages that have "priority" (~p) of required or important. You don't want to remove those, so there's no sense having them in your view. So, installed packages that are neither priority important nor priority required |
| 18:55.00 | Wyzard | ma3x: "accidentally remove /dev" in the sense of accidentally typing "rm -r /dev" ? |
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| 18:55.07 | simon23 | so i have no access to it (ssh disabled by default) |
| 18:55.08 | ma3x | Wyzard, yes |
| 18:55.13 | silent_ | anyone know when linux x-fi drivers are going to be released from creative? |
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| 18:55.17 | simon23 | can someone help me to get acces again ? |
| 18:55.19 | FlashNet3 | hey guys!!! |
| 18:55.23 | bts3685|work | concept10: there's tons of infrared device tools in the repos... |
| 18:55.26 | concept10 | bts3685|work, tarzeau: maybe looking for a PCI card or similar that will output a 5-24 signal, close a relay, and in turn control the motor |
| 18:55.29 | simon23 | i found some open ports by using nmap |
| 18:55.29 | bts3685|work | i'd guess at least 15, if not more |
| 18:55.36 | Vasistha | simon23: it probably has a hardware reset button that you can push with a paperclip |
| 18:55.55 | Vasistha | simon23: don't do that, though, unless you know how to make the thing work after a reset |
| 18:55.57 | silent_ | yay, lets stick metal things in our computers |
| 18:55.58 | simon23 | Vasistha: no - unfortunately not. |
| 18:56.04 | concept10 | bts3685|work, yeah, I know about lirc. you could get almost any remote to work |
| 18:56.21 | Wyzard | ma3x: You can probably recreate all the device files with MAKEDEV, though MAKEDEV lives in /dev so you'll need to reinstall the "makedev" package to restore it |
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| 18:56.41 | Wyzard | ma3x: but I'd just copy /dev -- the underlying static one, not the udev-managed one that's normally seen while the system is running -- from another system |
| 18:56.45 | lavamind | Wyzard, indeed, but since it works very well using loop-aes's build-initrd.sh, I'll use it again, for fear of completely hosing my boot process.... plus Jari Ruusu has done a truly excellent job with loop-AES.README |
| 18:56.53 | simon23 | its this product..http://www.avm.de/de/Produkte/FRITZBox/FRITZ_Box_Fon_WLAN/index.html |
| 18:56.53 | ma3x | Wyzard, I use rsync -avz /mnt/tmp . --exclude=/home/ma3x/ |
| 18:56.59 | ma3x | Wyzard, but it still copies /home/ma3x |
| 18:57.05 | bts3685|work | concept10: first step is to hack the actual signal of the infrared. my guess is that the door opener just uses a on/off (in this case, "start motor/stop motor") switch and nothing more. but i don't have much experience with infrared devices |
| 18:57.15 | Wyzard | ma3x: I haven't used rsync much so I don't know about its --exclude option, sorry |
| 18:57.17 | bts3685|work | ...unless you have a bluetooth garage foor opener. lolz |
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| 18:57.24 | bts3685|work | *door |
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| 18:57.43 | ma3x | Wyzard, what you use for backup? |
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| 18:58.16 | simon23 | and the only open ports are 135, 139, 445, 1047, 3476 and 18350 |
| 18:58.21 | Wyzard | ma3x: but when I back up a filesystem, I bind-mount it somewhere in the way I mentioned earlier, and then back up the bind-mounted directory -- that way the copy doesn't include whatever else might've been mounted on top of the filesystem |
| 18:58.27 | simon23 | no 80 or 8080 for http :-( |
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| 18:58.43 | Vasistha | simon23: why don't you ask your isp/ |
| 18:58.52 | Wyzard | ma3x: I don't back up my entire installation, because that's something I can reinstall if necessary |
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| 18:59.01 | simon23 | Vasistha: he won't tell me... |
| 18:59.08 | simon23 | Vasistha: (german isps suck) |
| 18:59.09 | Wyzard | ma3x: I back up selected things in my home directory, like my music and my PGP keys |
| 18:59.12 | yetifoot | hi, i just made changes to my dhclient.conf, and was wondering about how to restart dhcp, it seemed to work by just running dhcpclient, is that the correct way? |
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| 18:59.22 | ma3x | Wyzard, heh what do you need pgp keys for? |
| 18:59.27 | yetifoot | sorry, shclient |
| 18:59.29 | Wyzard | ma3x: signing my email |
| 18:59.41 | ma3x | Wyzard, lol, so somebody wouldn't spoof you |
| 18:59.41 | concept10 | bts3685|work, yeah, im about to go and open the garage door opener motor box and start drafting out an schematic from what i see, and figure out what i need. thanks anyway. |
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| 19:00.35 | simon23 | via broadcast my router asks for the ip 192.168.0.1 which should be another router in his network...he only sends arp and ssdp packages. |
| 19:00.49 | Wyzard | ma3x: not that I'm especially worried that someone might impersonate me in email, but it's a sensible thing to do anyway |
| 19:01.30 | ma3x | Wyzard, who would know how to verify a pgp key? in any case not newbies |
| 19:01.31 | Wyzard | lavamind: You can use mkinitramfs to generate an initramfs to try out, without overwriting your current one |
| 19:01.33 | abc5 | hi all, usermin is working on debian ? is it on install dvd ? |
| 19:01.35 | bts3685|work | concept10: i don't see any reason why you can't set up an infrared receiver to your box if you have one and then just recording the infrared patter |
| 19:01.38 | bts3685|work | pattern |
| 19:01.39 | Bushmills | i do :) |
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| 19:01.51 | simon23 | does someone know a network channel where i can get some help? |
| 19:01.56 | Wyzard | lavamind: so you can switch to the officially-supported initramfs generator without risking your boot process |
| 19:01.58 | simon23 | (on my mentioned topic) |
| 19:01.59 | asg-slug | simon23: ##networking |
| 19:02.15 | Bushmills | simon, #social_security ? |
| 19:02.23 | simon23 | asg-slug: thanks. |
| 19:02.41 | simon23 | asg-slug: just tried #networking but thats not available... |
| 19:02.46 | asg-slug | simon23: it might also be #networking |
| 19:02.47 | concept10 | bts3685|work, thats no problem. Im more worried about controlling the motor right now.. (as in what software could help me output a voltage to a relay) |
| 19:02.52 | bts3685|work | simon23: two hashes. ## |
| 19:02.53 | Wyzard | ma3x: I don't think anyone I send email to actually checks the signatures |
| 19:02.56 | lavamind | Wyzard, ok I will check it out! |
| 19:03.06 | simon23 | what are these two hashes for? |
| 19:03.20 | asg-slug | simon23: some freenode oddness. Their website explains it. |
| 19:03.27 | ma3x | Wyzard, so why do you need those keys for? |
| 19:03.34 | roots | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.35 | bts3685|work | simon23: i've not been on freenode very long but i think two hashes denotes support and/or "designated" channels? |
| 19:03.43 | Wyzard | ma3x: because I sign my email anyway |
| 19:03.44 | simon23 | interesting - will have a look on their website... |
| 19:03.45 | roots | Vasistha, |
| 19:03.49 | yetifoot | two hashes is unoffical |
| 19:04.05 | bts3685|work | yetifoot: whereas one is? |
| 19:04.10 | yetifoot | although i don't see how there can be an offical networking channel |
| 19:04.13 | asg-slug | bts3685|work: paid for |
| 19:04.16 | bts3685|work | exactly, haha |
| 19:04.17 | bts3685|work | AH |
| 19:04.33 | yetifoot | i know that #C had something like that, they had to move to ##c, because the channel wasn't controlled by K&R |
| 19:04.41 | Wyzard | ##c++ too |
| 19:04.44 | ApEtc | ##C#? :) |
| 19:04.46 | bts3685|work | asg-slug: everytime i see your nick, i keep thinking "ass-slug? ew" |
| 19:05.17 | bts3685|work | haha, and for the MD5'ers, they can have ##hash |
| 19:05.18 | asg-slug | bts3685|work: I'm asg generally. I'm just on my slug now |
| 19:05.18 | bts3685|work | lolz |
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| 19:06.21 | bts3685|work | asg-slug: but admittedly, the phrase "ass-slug" does not strike up a warm fuzzy feeling. i'm quite content without slimy slithery things near my rear. |
| 19:06.27 | bts3685|work | ...oh man. imagine ass-leeches. |
| 19:06.30 | DawnLight | jigdo-lite is complaining about ONE file out of a whole DVD which doesn't match the sum in the .jigdo file... isn't that ironic? it says that the file on the server had probebly changed since the .jigdo file and the .template file were created. that sucks a bit. i've tried different servers. is there anything i can do or shall i wait for the .jigdo and .template to update? jigdo-lite mentions something about rsync. shall i check |
| 19:06.30 | DawnLight | file isxmms-xmmplayer_0.3.3-1_amd64.deb |
| 19:06.33 | asg-slug | bts3685|work: tape worms |
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| 19:06.57 | bts3685|work | haha OOOHHHHHkay. i think i'm done with that conversation. haha |
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| 19:07.30 | bts3685|work | haha much better |
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| 19:07.44 | Wyzard | DawnLight: You can use rsync to convert your mostly-complete .iso into a complete .iso by syncing against a copy of the .iso on an rsync server |
| 19:08.05 | jamesstanley | doesn't rsync just get the latest file? |
| 19:08.12 | bts3685|work | DawnLight: another option is to, erm..not use jigdo... it's slated to be completed for summer of code |
| 19:08.17 | Wyzard | It makes your copy of the file be the same as the one on the server |
| 19:08.21 | jamesstanley | ah |
| 19:08.29 | Wyzard | but it only actually downloads the parts where your file differs from the one on the server |
| 19:08.36 | rking | any suggestions for some games that don't conflict with the verbal parts of the mind? I'm listening to some lectures on .mp3, and so far been having a good time with `xbl` (especially in stereographic mode!), but would like to have a few others |
| 19:08.37 | jamesstanley | cool |
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| 19:08.49 | asg-fuzzy-slug | rking: nethack |
| 19:08.52 | rking | i would say "mindless games" but that's not necessarily what i need |
| 19:08.57 | rking | asg-fuzzy-slug: ahh yes |
| 19:09.02 | Wyzard | DawnLight's file was built with rsync and will be identical to the one on the server except for one small part where that missing file should be |
| 19:09.02 | yetifoot | rking, i like gplanarity at the moment |
| 19:09.11 | bts3685|work | tuxracer! |
| 19:09.11 | bts3685|work | haha |
| 19:09.19 | bts3685|work | or tuxkart |
| 19:09.28 | asg-fuzzy-slug | rking: bzflag is another good one though probably not for lectures |
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| 19:09.44 | rking | good suggestions fellas |
| 19:09.56 | bts3685|work | asg-fuzzy-slug: everytime i play bzflag i get too much into it. haha, not good for lectures for me, definitely |
| 19:09.56 | DawnLight | thanks Wyzard, i'll read about this rsync thing. know a good place to start? |
| 19:09.56 | dpkg | DawnLight: sure thing |
| 19:09.57 | jamesstanley | cube |
| 19:10.06 | DawnLight | dpkg: shut up |
| 19:10.06 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 19:10.06 | asg2 | bts3685|work: yeah, it's a good game |
| 19:10.20 | bts3685|work | jamesstanley: cube? is it anything like the movie? |
| 19:10.29 | jamesstanley | no |
| 19:10.33 | jamesstanley | it's a free fps engine |
| 19:10.37 | jamesstanley | cube 2 is better |
| 19:10.51 | Maximilian | actioncube for multiplayerness |
| 19:11.07 | sudo_maddash | what's with the gratuitous response from dpkg? |
| 19:11.07 | jamesstanley | yeah actioncube's pretty cool too |
| 19:11.11 | bts3685|work | cube 2 was definitely better to WATCH but cube was still the best in terms of- oh. you're taliking about the engine again. haha |
| 19:11.21 | jamesstanley | mmm |
| 19:11.22 | rking | ahh, cool - gplanarity - i had this same thing on my pda. very good blend with a lecture |
| 19:11.43 | yetifoot | solving graphs has never been so fun! |
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| 19:12.03 | Maximilian | jamesstanley: you still have that outdoor map you made for actioncube right? |
| 19:12.11 | jamesstanley | i dunno |
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| 19:12.24 | Maximilian | i uh.. didn't copy it over when switching computers |
| 19:13.10 | bts3685|work | hey, i'm looking into cube now. looks pretty interesting! |
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| 19:13.38 | bts3685|work | looks a lot like the quake2 engine |
| 19:14.37 | jamesstanley | i think it's supposed to be |
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| 19:15.13 | bzed | bts3685|work: look into cube2, aka sauberbraten :) |
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| 19:15.42 | bts3685|work | bzed: is it in german? haha, if so, english ports? |
| 19:15.49 | concept10 | so I have to umount ntfs partition (using the kernel driver) before mounting with fuse/ntfs-3g? |
| 19:15.55 | concept10 | *do |
| 19:16.02 | bzed | bts3685|work: apt-get isntall suaerbraten. I think it's in non-free though |
| 19:16.10 | Toast | Gurax suggested I make a change to /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward . Do you know if that is a normal file and if any changes made will be persistant over a reboot? |
| 19:16.17 | bts3685|work | bzed: that's fine. i have non-free enabled |
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| 19:17.08 | sudo_maddash | !cube |
| 19:17.17 | Wyzard | Toast: It is not, and no it won't |
| 19:17.31 | sudo_maddash | %cube |
| 19:17.41 | Toast | Wyzard: Thanks. |
| 19:18.09 | Wyzard | Toast: If you're doing forwarding I'd suggest installing a "firewall" package such as FireHOL or Shorewall |
| 19:18.27 | Wyzard | Toast: That way you can configure policies for what gets forwarded, and when it starts up it'll automatically enable forwarding |
| 19:19.04 | dexomsrc | I want to switch usernames on my Debian machine. Can I just rename the directory in /home and adduser the one I want and delete the old one? |
| 19:19.52 | grendal_prime | i have these repositorys that do not resolve...they fail and say diffindex at the end what the hell does that mean? |
| 19:19.53 | asg2 | dexomsrc: just change the username in /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, etc. |
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| 19:20.12 | dotCOMmie | hello, I came across a nasty on debian.. I was dist-upgrading and I got that portmap message asking whether or not I wanted to bind RPC to loopback.. I selected No .. Today I realized that it had disregarded my selection and bound rpc to loopback. |
| 19:20.13 | asg2 | dexomsrc: or user usermod -l |
| 19:20.30 | Toast | I either want something point and drule, or I want to learn the insides of how to do everything for myself... I am attempting to connect from a device connected to a second network card in my server, to a service which is bound to the first network card. Gurax and wols were giving me some help earlyer and I am currently working through there suggestions. |
| 19:20.35 | dotCOMmie | running dpkg-reconfigure portmap again fixed the problem |
| 19:20.42 | dotCOMmie | has anyone experienced this? |
| 19:20.48 | Toast | Wyzard, do you think a full on firewall package would be overkill? |
| 19:21.04 | asg2 | dexomsrc: you will have to 'mv /home/olduser /home/newuser' though |
| 19:21.41 | Wyzard | Toast: All a "firewall package" does is generate iptables rules based on policies you define in config files |
| 19:21.48 | Wyzard | Toast: The actual firewalling is done by iptables, which is part of the kernel |
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| 19:22.18 | Wyzard | Toast: so unless you go for some GUI one, it's pretty lightweight |
| 19:22.21 | Toast | I used a set of firewall scrips back in my Mandrake days that someone recommended, but I forget the name of it. |
| 19:22.35 | Wyzard | Toast: I'd say FireHOL isn't overkill even if the policy you define is "allow everything" |
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| 19:22.56 | Wyzard | It's just a shell script that runs at startup |
| 19:23.05 | Toast | I would Ideally like to learn how things work, but so far my experiments with iptables haven't worked. |
| 19:23.34 | Toast | what part of the system looks at /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? |
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| 19:23.56 | Wyzard | It's part of the kernel |
| 19:24.00 | Wyzard | Everything in /proc is part of the kernel |
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| 19:24.20 | Toast | so, if I add the right iptables rules, that flag will set it's self to 1? |
| 19:24.23 | Wyzard | Putting 0 or 1 there is actually setting a flag inside the kernel's networking code |
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| 19:24.32 | Wyzard | no, iptables doesn't change it |
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| 19:24.53 | yetifoot | anyone can tell me, if dhclient is the correct command to restart my dhcp? it seemed to work, but i wonder if thats the 'clean' way |
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| 19:25.06 | jamesstanley | it leaves an extra daemon running |
| 19:25.11 | Toast | Is the normall way to change it to write to it yourself, or should you use another tool? |
| 19:25.23 | jamesstanley | it's not really a problem typing dhclient |
| 19:25.31 | jamesstanley | but it's best to pkill dhclient first |
| 19:25.32 | yetifoot | jamesstanley, ah, ok, so i need to kill the old daemon first? should i just do that with kill |
| 19:25.38 | jamesstanley | pkill |
| 19:25.41 | yetifoot | ok |
| 19:25.48 | yetifoot | thanks |
| 19:25.48 | dpkg | yetifoot: de rien |
| 19:25.59 | jamesstanley | i use pkill over kill because you don't need to know the pid |
| 19:26.04 | jamesstanley | they both do the same thing |
| 19:26.11 | bytekode` | Toast: add net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 to /etc/sysctl.conf (or 0, or whatever you want) and it'll be set on boot |
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| 19:26.20 | wols | yetifoot: man ifup |
| 19:26.30 | grendal_prime | i have these repositorys that do not resolve...they fail and say diffindex at the end what the hell does that mean? |
| 19:26.36 | dotCOMmie | is there a way to find out which version of a package was installed before upgrade? |
| 19:26.39 | FlashNet3 | hey i need a little advice with postifx can anyone help? |
| 19:26.40 | Toast | Thanks bytekode |
| 19:26.40 | dpkg | no worries, Toast |
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| 19:27.10 | yetifoot | wols, so to restart using that way, do i just do ifdown -a then ifup -a ? |
| 19:27.11 | asg2 | FlashNet3: #postfix unless it's a Debian specific problem |
| 19:27.25 | Wyzard | Toast: You could do it with sysctl as bytekode` mentioned, or put "ip_forward=yes" in /etc/network/options, which will do it for you |
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| 19:27.42 | Wyzard | Toast: That config file is read by /etc/init.d/networking |
| 19:27.57 | Wyzard | Toast: but on a router it's a good idea to install a firewall package anyway |
| 19:28.34 | Toast | There is a line in sysctl which is commented out ... net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 ... that also looks promissing |
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| 19:30.55 | Toast | will net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 do the same thing as add net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 ? |
| 19:31.00 | wols | yetifoot: basically |
| 19:32.26 | yetifoot | wols, thanks |
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| 19:38.16 | DawnLight | Wyzard: i've typed in "rsync -v --inplace --dry-run -h --progress www.mirrorservice.org::cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/debian-40r0-amd64-DVD-1.iso debian-40r0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.tmp" and i can hear the HD workin' but i get no printout... is this right? |
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| 19:38.58 | iojkl | . |
| 19:39.00 | Wyzard | DawnLight: It has to analyze the file to figure out where your copy differs from the server's, before it can start downloading the changes |
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| 19:39.53 | DawnLight | Wyzard: isn't it supposed to tell me something like "hello, i am rsync and i will now analyze your file"? |
| 19:40.47 | Wyzard | DawnLight: not really... many command-line programs don't print any messages at all unless something goes wrong |
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| 19:42.00 | DawnLight | Wyzard: the HDD LED is off and there's no printout while it is still running so whats my indication on the status? |
| 19:42.31 | Wyzard | DawnLight: dunno... I don't use rsync much |
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| 19:42.58 | DawnLight | Wyzard: i have a message... i think i'll manage. thanks |
| 19:43.26 | teclo- | Hello, I've got a machine running Etch... but it has Firefox 1.5.x ... not Firefox 2.x ... is this normal ? How do I fix this ? |
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| 19:45.31 | jdavis | On boot, my system automatically turns on the wireless driver (ipw2100). I would like to pass it parameters, how do I do that for when it starts automatically on boot? |
| 19:45.51 | DawnLight | teclo: packages.debian.org can show you which packages are in which distribution |
| 19:46.24 | Wyzard | jdavis: Create the file /etc/modprobe.d/options and put your options in there |
| 19:46.37 | Wyzard | jdavis: for example: "options ipw2200 associate=0 hwcrypto=0" |
| 19:46.47 | jdavis | Wyzard: ok, thanks! |
| 19:47.23 | jdavis | Wyzard: by the way, is hwcrypto bad? I see you disable it in that example. |
| 19:47.24 | Wyzard | jdavis: (Background info: options directives can actually go in any file in that directory, but the others all belong to packages so it's best to leave them untouched and create your own options file) |
| 19:48.01 | Wyzard | jdavis: It causes lockups on my system... I think it's disabled by default, actually, and I'd specified "hwcrypto=1" initially, but when I found it had problems I just changed the 1 to a 0 |
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| 19:48.28 | Wyzard | jdavis: but I'm using a 2200, not a 2100... you have a different driver and maybe it'll work for you |
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| 19:48.37 | jdavis | Wyzard: OK, I'm using 2100 and it seems fine, so I'll leave it for now. |
| 19:48.41 | js_ | is there something i can install which notifies me when there are available security updates? |
| 19:48.45 | Wyzard | jdavis: Also, I'm using WPA2 |
| 19:48.49 | js_ | via email or something |
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| 19:50.38 | jdavis | Wyzard: in software? |
| 19:50.38 | jdavis | Wyzard: I don't see that as a module option |
| 19:51.03 | Vasistha | js_: subscribe to the debian-security mailing list |
| 19:51.37 | js_ | Vasistha: ah, good idea :) |
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| 19:51.56 | Wyzard | jdavis: It's not a driver option... it's an attibute of a particular wireless network |
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| 19:52.02 | Wyzard | jdavis: like WEP vs. WPA, also WPA2 |
| 19:52.35 | teclo- | DawnLight: thank you but packages.debian.org says it's 2.0.0.x for stable, testing and unstable |
| 19:52.47 | hatta | so I have a debian system with a grub that won't work, I've tried for days, I need to reinstall. I can boot from a live CD, and I need to get a list of the packages I had installed on the unbootable debian. how cna I do that? |
| 19:53.08 | hatta | I could do apt-show-versions, but I can't boot the system to do it |
| 19:53.12 | Vasistha | hatta: have you tried lilo? |
| 19:53.25 | hatta | Vasistha, I wish |
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| 19:53.50 | Vasistha | hatta: check /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 19:54.19 | hatta | I dunno how to install lilo without apt-getting it |
| 19:54.21 | piztek3 | how does the gaim plugin with evolution work? |
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| 19:54.35 | hatta | and last time I tried that it was a bigger pain than just reinstalling the whole system |
| 19:54.40 | Vasistha | hatta: it oughta be possible with a floppy |
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| 19:54.55 | hatta | what's a floppy? |
| 19:55.18 | Vasistha | hatta: heh. well, anyway, if you think reinstalling is easiest, that log file should show what's been installed |
| 19:55.24 | hatta | ok thanks |
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| 19:56.11 | debianer | what is the easiest tool to use to shrink a picture? |
| 19:56.23 | hatta | the grub is an abomination before god |
| 19:56.26 | jdavis | Wyzard: Ok, I will try to use WPA2 if it's supported by my router. |
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| 19:56.43 | hatta | been trying to fix it since wednesday |
| 19:56.44 | jdavis | Wyzard: is iwconfig txpower off the same as disable=1 in the options? |
| 19:57.00 | shut- | i need a good enviorment |
| 19:57.01 | Wyzard | jdavis: dunno |
| 19:57.03 | Vasistha | debianer: probably imagemagick |
| 19:57.09 | DawnLight | teclo- how do you know you have etch? |
| 19:57.13 | shut- | how can i find a list |
| 19:57.32 | asg2 | shut-: define 'environment' |
| 19:57.32 | Muisje | Something has to die |
| 19:57.36 | Muisje | when i have a first date |
| 19:57.37 | Muisje | :p |
| 19:57.46 | shut- | like you no gnome and kde something like that |
| 19:57.47 | debianer | Muisje: ? |
| 19:57.58 | Muisje | nvm wrong chan |
| 19:58.04 | Muisje | Something has to die when i have a first date |
| 19:58.04 | Muisje | [21:57:16] <Muisje> :p |
| 19:58.05 | debianer | Vasistha: does it require command line? |
| 19:58.09 | Muisje | oops, |
| 19:58.21 | j4cbo | hatta: /var/lib/dpkg/status should help |
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| 19:58.47 | Vasistha | debianer: I always use it on the command line, although I'm sure people have worked the libraries into gui tools |
| 19:58.51 | GomoX | Hey guys |
| 19:59.11 | GomoX | Is there a vesa fb code for a widepanel resolution? |
| 19:59.18 | asg2 | shut-: apt-cache search desktop environment (should give you some fps but will cover most of what you are looking for) |
| 19:59.32 | GomoX | In order to get a decent console for my brand new screen :D |
| 20:00.19 | piztek3 | how do I install an evolution dictionary? |
| 20:00.48 | shut- | ok |
| 20:02.32 | debianer | Vasistha: shall I use 'convert -goemetry' or 'size' ? |
| 20:02.58 | Vasistha | debianer: heh, I haven't done it in a while, gimme a sec to look it up in the manpage |
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| 20:03.03 | Flashylight | moo hi |
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| 20:03.58 | teclo- | well if I do dpkg -l on my etch machine I see firefox 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.7-2 |
| 20:03.59 | Vasistha | debianer: you want to use the command called 'convert' with a resize option, more in a sec |
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| 20:04.33 | Flashylight | hey i need to set up a mail server can somebody help? |
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| 20:05.22 | Vasistha | debianer: probably something like this: convert original.jpg -resize 100x100 thumbnail.jpg |
| 20:06.44 | debianer | Vasistha: ok. I got it. thanks |
| 20:07.02 | Vasistha | debianer: you're welcome! enjoy command-line freedom |
| 20:07.15 | purplepenguins | Wheeee, CLI |
| 20:08.14 | piztek3 | are galeon's keyboard shortcuts editable? |
| 20:09.33 | Flashylight | helloooo?! |
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| 20:13.08 | purplepenguins | so |
| 20:13.16 | purplepenguins | I can't get double buffering to work |
| 20:13.33 | Flashylight | just add some ketchup |
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| 20:13.53 | purplepenguins | Hmm, that sounds messy |
| 20:13.58 | Vasistha | how do we teach dpkg new motd's ? |
| 20:14.09 | purplepenguins | do I stick that in the CD-ROM drive? |
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| 20:14.48 | Flashylight | can somebody helpme to set a mail server to work with php |
| 20:14.58 | Flashylight | well forst to work and then to work with php |
| 20:14.59 | Flashylight | pls pls |
| 20:15.00 | Flashylight | :( |
| 20:15.22 | piztek3 | gnomad2 is freezing for me |
| 20:15.30 | piztek3 | does anyone know how to use it? |
| 20:16.41 | purplepenguins | nevermind, I found out how to do it myself |
| 20:16.53 | Flashylight | mooo |
| 20:18.00 | rking | Flashylight: are you trying to mail out from a php script? |
| 20:18.09 | Flashylight | yes |
| 20:18.17 | Flashylight | in my debian VPS |
| 20:18.31 | Flashylight | but i cant send anything |
| 20:18.55 | rking | which MTA are you using? |
| 20:19.13 | Flashylight | i tried without setting any |
| 20:19.18 | Flashylight | obviously nothiong happened |
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| 20:19.24 | Flashylight | then just installed sendmail |
| 20:19.30 | Flashylight | but dont know how to configure it |
| 20:19.31 | rking | blechchhchh sendmail |
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| 20:19.57 | Flashylight | i mean i just want php able to send mails nothing else |
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| 20:20.16 | xaitax | Oh-oh ... this usually ends up in a new spam host |
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| 20:20.29 | Flashylight | kinda |
| 20:20.30 | Flashylight | but no |
| 20:21.07 | Flashylight | its for invitations for an event |
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| 20:21.14 | Flashylight | and to email reports |
| 20:21.25 | rking | Flashylight: i think he means if you misconfigure it you could end up relaying spam |
| 20:21.35 | Flashylight | D: |
| 20:22.03 | Flashylight | so can i set it for just php being able to send mails? |
| 20:22.14 | piztek3 | anyone use gxmms2? |
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| 20:22.49 | rking | i don't know, i like going ahead and connecting to a localhost MTA, it seems to divide the problem up well (for example, re-sending if a host is temporarily down - you don't want to have to handle that inside php) |
| 20:22.53 | sudo_maddash | !wakeonlan |
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| 20:22.57 | sudo_maddash | !wake on lan |
| 20:23.15 | rking | i say just remove sendmail, apt-get install exim;, and make sure the config is right |
| 20:23.23 | Flashylight | um |
| 20:23.27 | piztek3 | what is exim |
| 20:23.54 | rking | the "default Debian MTA", i think |
| 20:23.54 | xaitax | exim is far easier to configure than sendmail |
| 20:24.04 | xaitax | with debian at least |
| 20:24.15 | Flashylight | are you having any trouble with ftp.us.debian.orrg? |
| 20:24.17 | Flashylight | :s |
| 20:24.30 | xaitax | orrg? i bet you have trouble there ;-) |
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| 20:24.52 | Flashylight | :P |
| 20:24.52 | Flashylight | ok org |
| 20:24.53 | dondelelcaro | Flashylight: there are about 5 machines in that DNS round robin, so it's doubtful that all of them are down. |
| 20:25.00 | Flashylight | :( |
| 20:25.02 | Flashylight | omg |
| 20:25.06 | Vasistha | Flashylight: just try again |
| 20:25.08 | Flashylight | why i cant conect |
| 20:25.14 | Flashylight | ive tried like 10 times |
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| 20:26.19 | Vasistha | Flashylight: well, you could always add an additional mirror to your sources.list ... I use one that's geographically close to me. |
| 20:26.26 | rking | i'm not getting ping or ftp responses either. |
| 20:26.36 | rking | oops, nevermind |
| 20:27.27 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: how does one add a motd to dpkg? |
| 20:28.10 | Flashylight | ok ill try |
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| 20:29.27 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: eh? |
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| 20:30.09 | Flashylight | ok ill try exim |
| 20:30.11 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: I'm thinking of qotd, heh |
| 20:30.19 | Flashylight | i hope i could set it up |
| 20:30.21 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: qotd is just a factoid |
| 20:30.54 | Bushmills | Flashylight: there was somebody else an hour ago, with access problems to those same server. if it wasn't you, i mean. |
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| 20:31.21 | wfq | has anyone tried to set exim4 in Debian? |
| 20:31.21 | dondelelcaro | wfq: since it's the default MTA, obviously someone has. |
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| 20:31.34 | sudo_maddash | are there any reliable guides to wake-on-lan? |
| 20:32.20 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: what I was wondering is how to add one -- how to choose the next number, and whether it will be included in the qotd0 randomizer? |
| 20:32.27 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: /msg dpkg qotd |
| 20:33.16 | wfq | yes, I can imagine but what I look for is someone why had used the option dc_localdelivery='maildir_home'. I get an error says command not found |
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| 20:33.29 | wfq | I have tried to use other options but i get the same error |
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| 20:33.41 | kth`` | Can grub in etch boot off reiserfs partitions? |
| 20:34.32 | Flashylight | it takes a while but it is working |
| 20:34.33 | dondelelcaro | wfq: which command is not found? |
| 20:34.35 | Flashylight | with webmon |
| 20:34.35 | Flashylight | :s |
| 20:34.38 | Flashylight | webmin |
| 20:34.43 | wfq | maildir_home |
| 20:34.51 | dondelelcaro | maildir_home is not a command |
| 20:35.04 | dondelelcaro | it's a configuration option to dl_localdelivery |
| 20:35.07 | wfq | yes |
| 20:35.19 | wfq | but when i execute update-exim4.conf i get this error |
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| 20:35.39 | piztek3 | listen isn't importing the music |
| 20:35.42 | wfq | i have added that line to the exim4's configuration file |
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| 20:36.17 | rza | good evening |
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| 20:37.14 | Flashylight | ho i reconfigure exim? |
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| 20:37.17 | Flashylight | dpkcfg? |
| 20:37.18 | Flashylight | :S |
| 20:37.32 | rza | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:37.35 | wfq | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 20:37.43 | Flashylight | thanks |
| 20:37.43 | dpkg | pas de quoi, Flashylight |
| 20:38.03 | kth`` | Can grub in etch boot kernel images off reiserfs3 partitions? |
| 20:38.07 | wfq | so does anyone know what could be happening |
| 20:39.18 | Wyzard | kth``: yes -- though I think it's necessary to mount the filesystem with "notail", which can reduce storage efficiency |
| 20:39.20 | Flashylight | so on IP adresses to listen for incoming smtp i leav blank? |
| 20:39.24 | Wyzard | kth``: I just use a separate ext3 /boot |
| 20:39.48 | dondelelcaro | wfq: give us the exact command that you're running and the full output; the contents of /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf and /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated |
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| 20:42.16 | kth`` | Wyzard, thanks, I'll try it out then. I want to remove ext2/3 from the kernel at all, since reiser3 is stable enough to be root partition |
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| 20:42.49 | wfq | dodelelcaro, I have added to the default exim4 file, that is to say, into /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.con the line dc_localdelivery='maildir_home'. when I execute update-exim4.conf from the console to check if the setting of exim is ok, the I get /usr/sbin/update-exim4.conf: line 31: maildir_home: command not found |
| 20:43.02 | Wyzard | kth``: There's no need to remove ext3 support from the kernel, even if you're not using it |
| 20:43.58 | piztek3 | how do you disable osd on rhythmbox |
| 20:44.07 | wfq | I have tried with mail_spool but i get the same |
| 20:44.09 | Bushmills | kth``: i have stress tested reiser, ext2/3 and jfs about 1 year ago, and the results were not good for reiser. |
| 20:44.15 | Vasistha | piztek3: have you explored the settings menu? |
| 20:44.52 | Bushmills | kth``: but if it is "stable enough" for you, go ahead |
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| 20:44.53 | kth`` | Bushmills, this is not a production system, it's a personal laptop I backup to another pc regularly, don't think I'll have much trouble |
| 20:45.08 | Bushmills | kth``: as you wish |
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| 20:46.24 | piztek3 | Vasistha: yes |
| 20:48.00 | wfq | it is like exim4 could not recognize those options for dc_localdelivery |
| 20:48.18 | wfq | so i am wondering if someone has been happened the same |
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| 20:50.53 | wfq | it sounds like a exim4 bug |
| 20:52.18 | DawnLight | i have yet to use a binary that didn't come from the debian repos. there's an open source program that i would like to use but there it's not in the repos |
| 20:52.28 | lokkju_wrk | when I am compiling, and get warning or error messages, I keep seeing the 'â' charecter where a double quote should be - why, and is there a fix? |
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| 20:53.37 | hooppa | lokkju_wrk probabyl a terminal or font settings but i'm not sure |
| 20:53.43 | tarzeau | anyone plays css in here? |
| 20:53.54 | hooppa | tarzeau #css |
| 20:53.58 | hooppa | :P |
| 20:53.58 | Wyzard | lokkju_wrk: That means the compiler is outputting Unicode curly quotes because your environment is configured for a Unicode locale, but your terminal is not configured to actually display Unicode characters |
| 20:54.03 | lokkju_wrk | hooppa, xterm through putty... |
| 20:54.14 | lokkju_wrk | Wyzard, k... do you know if putty supports it at all? |
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| 20:54.31 | tarzeau | hooppa: i meant counterstrike source |
| 20:54.50 | Alam_Debian | PuTTY support Unicode, it just if the fonts it using can.... |
| 20:54.52 | piztek3 | tarzeau: you need help with css |
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| 20:55.09 | tarzeau | piztek3: i need players to join a server (counter strike source) |
| 20:55.15 | hooppa | lokkju_wrk check Terminal->Features and Window->Translation settings for putty |
| 20:55.19 | Wyzard | lokkju_wrk: When you say "xterm through putty", do mean mean you're using putty to do X forwarding, and running an xterm which has its own window? |
| 20:55.25 | piztek3 | tarzeau: what do you mean |
| 20:55.25 | lokkju_wrk | hooppa, yep, in there nnow, trying UTF-8 |
| 20:55.30 | piztek3 | tarzeau: i'll come play with you |
| 20:55.40 | tarzeau | piztek3: 195.176.50.12 (css) |
| 20:55.41 | lokkju_wrk | Wyzard, no, putty, with $TERM set to xterm |
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| 20:55.47 | Wyzard | ok |
| 20:55.52 | lokkju_wrk | and it is working now |
| 20:55.53 | lokkju_wrk | thanks |
| 20:55.54 | dpkg | no problem, lokkju_wrk |
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| 20:59.17 | jelly-home | !test |
| 20:59.17 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 20:59.52 | simon23 | !hello |
| 20:59.52 | dpkg | Hi, simon23! |
| 20:59.56 | simon23 | :) |
| 20:59.59 | simon23 | juhu!! |
| 21:00.02 | bytekode` | !wtf |
| 21:00.05 | bytekode` | : ( |
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| 21:00.08 | simon23 | :) |
| 21:00.13 | simon23 | !omg |
| 21:00.13 | dpkg | well, omg is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
| 21:00.25 | bytekode` | hmm |
| 21:00.27 | bytekode` | !wtf iirc |
| 21:00.28 | dpkg | IIRC: if I recall correctly |
| 21:00.32 | bytekode` | ah there we go |
| 21:01.39 | hooppa | recall or remember :P |
| 21:01.47 | simon23 | !bofh |
| 21:01.47 | dpkg | it has been said that bofh is http://bofh.ntk.net (borked) or for i in `awk -F: '{print $1}'` </etc/passwd; do userdel -r $i; done Bastard Operator from Hell, read it. at http://members.iinet.net.au/~bofh/. BOFHs hang out on http://scarydevilmonastery.net and wield LARTs |
| 21:02.09 | asg | bytekode`: if you install the bsdgames package, you can run wtf(6) locally |
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| 21:02.57 | hooppa | !wtf help |
| 21:02.58 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what help means... |
| 21:03.14 | cparker | How do I tell aptitude to automatically install recommended packages? |
| 21:03.19 | hooppa | i was supposing to see help page :) |
| 21:03.33 | bpun | hi, i have an old laptop that i had booting without problems and now consistently ask to check /dev/hda1 and forces me to runlevel 1.. i ran e2fsck -y and rebooted but keeps asking.. |
| 21:03.40 | Vasistha | hooppa: /msg dpkg help |
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| 21:04.36 | bytekode` | asg: cool, thanks |
| 21:05.03 | Bushmills | bpun: you may have a file system problem e2fsck doesn't dare to fix automatically |
| 21:05.17 | Fetrovsky | i got a .deb file |
| 21:05.20 | Fetrovsky | how do I install it? |
| 21:05.30 | bpun | Bushmills, it keeps complaining about the superblock , -b 8193 doesn't work.. |
| 21:05.35 | Bushmills | bpun: read its output, take actions accordingly |
| 21:05.37 | frank | Fetrovsky: dpkg -i <file> |
| 21:05.42 | Fetrovsky | thanks :) |
| 21:05.43 | dpkg | sure thing, Fetrovsky |
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| 21:06.11 | Bushmills | bpun: try one of the backup superblocks |
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| 21:06.31 | Fetrovsky | shite |
| 21:06.37 | bpun | bpun, i think i'll overwrite this 2g, last time i ran it was qute a while ago.. |
| 21:06.42 | Fetrovsky | i can't install i386 packages in an amd64 system? |
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| 21:06.49 | tarzeau | Fetrovsky: no |
| 21:06.56 | Fetrovsky | hmmmm |
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| 21:07.35 | Flashylight | do i have to use mail authentication? |
| 21:07.36 | Flashylight | :( |
| 21:07.37 | karmatronic | hi there |
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| 21:09.40 | Bushmills | Flashylight: if you want to allow others to send mail, yes |
| 21:09.50 | bpun | anyone has a recommendation for a P1(166mhz) oldie laptop? I just want to run squid on it, whilst it having 2 wired nics (pcmcia).. |
| 21:10.00 | Bushmills | if it is your own, on a local machine, no. |
| 21:10.38 | purplepenguins | why a laptop bpun? |
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| 21:10.48 | piztek3 | tarzeau: you there? |
| 21:10.51 | bpun | purplepenguins, it's a pentium 1 |
| 21:11.01 | Bushmills | bpun: put an X display manager, for logging in to remote X, on it |
| 21:11.09 | tarzeau | piztek3: yes? |
| 21:11.14 | piztek3 | you still playin'? |
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| 21:11.16 | bpun | arrgghh.. I just want a proxy server.. that's all... |
| 21:11.25 | tarzeau | piztek3: i'm on linux, 3 friends are playing.. yes |
| 21:11.33 | tarzeau | piztek3: i'm only on the server console chatting :) |
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| 21:11.37 | piztek3 | i'm out for a minute, but i can come back |
| 21:11.38 | purplepenguins | an old pentium desktop would be cheaper anyway |
| 21:11.44 | NefariousPrior | Etch doesn't include Xgl... and there was an alternative. Someone mind refreshing my memory? |
| 21:11.46 | bpun | guess i can try out debian 4 netinst cd image.. |
| 21:11.46 | tarzeau | piztek3: yes please come... |
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| 21:11.48 | Bushmills | yoi didn't say that, just asked for recommendations |
| 21:11.50 | asg | bpun: why not look at a small via mini-itx system? |
| 21:11.52 | cparker | Fetrovsky, read https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205 |
| 21:11.54 | piztek3 | i have to fix something first |
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| 21:12.18 | bpun | asg, thanks |
| 21:12.28 | Znuff | Is there _any_ way to install packages locally, in the users home directory? (thus nto requiring super user priviledges?) |
| 21:12.36 | Znuff | btw, Password is an onjoin spam bot. |
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| 21:12.58 | RainCT | Hi |
| 21:12.58 | asg | bpun: if a single nic will suffice and you don't have huge bandwidth / cache requirements, you could run debian on a linksys nslu2 |
| 21:12.59 | Vasistha | Znuff: like, a .deb package? |
| 21:13.09 | Znuff | Vasistha, yes, sure :) |
| 21:13.15 | RainCT | can someone check if package qt4-designer includes a .desktop file |
| 21:13.27 | RainCT | ? |
| 21:13.30 | piztek3 | can anyone help me with gxmms2 |
| 21:13.42 | asg | RainCT: you could download it and verify it yourself |
| 21:13.48 | bpun | asg, i have 3 boxes with d-link, but i tried looking online if there was a proxy i can possible dump into their firmware.. |
| 21:14.20 | Vasistha | Znuff: not that I know ... the archive has absolute paths set up. But they are normal archives, underneath, and though I don't remember what archive type it is, that info shouldn't be too difficult to find. |
| 21:14.30 | bpun | asg, actually i have a 10mbit connection, so i'm not sure if a proxy can run on arm processors.. |
| 21:14.40 | asg | bpun: I have a linksys nslu2 (266 Mhz, 32MB ram, 2G usb stick) that's running squid on Debian 4.0 |
| 21:14.45 | Znuff | Vasistha, well, I had already unpacked them with dpkg -x |
| 21:15.05 | Vasistha | Znuff: so, what is it you're wonderin' how to do? |
| 21:15.33 | Znuff | Vasistha, with apt-get, for instance :) |
| 21:15.46 | bpun | asg, wow, that's just branded as a network storage, that does sound cool.. |
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| 21:16.38 | asg | bpun: yes, I'm pretty impressed with it. I use it for personal proxying, mail, irc, etc. |
| 21:16.52 | bpun | asg, what about a proxy server though.. are you running squid? |
| 21:16.57 | asg | bpun: yep |
| 21:17.11 | bpun | asg, url? |
| 21:17.12 | Vasistha | Znuff: I don't think there's an automated way to do it, if that's what you mean. It's a pretty unusual request. Were you able to get stuff working once it was unpacked? |
| 21:17.29 | Znuff | Vasistha, strugling with deps right now :) |
| 21:17.45 | Znuff | seems ffmpeg depends on libogg, but packages.debian.org doesn't say that :) |
| 21:17.46 | asg | bpun: I run it on localhost and tunnel my laptop traffic through squid via an ssh tunnel. |
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| 21:18.10 | Vasistha | Znuff: well, yeah, that's what happens when you circumvent the package management system. Why don't you just install the stuff? |
| 21:18.14 | simon23 | hi, how can i delete a route from the linux routingtable? i tried route del -net 192.168.0.0 |
| 21:18.17 | asg | bpun: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/unpack.html (the standard howto. This device is fully supported in etch.) |
| 21:18.20 | simon23 | but that doesnt work |
| 21:18.26 | Znuff | Vasistha, no super user priviledges |
| 21:18.50 | simon23 | and i tried to read the man page - but i thought it would say that should work....(so - i am misinterpreting) |
| 21:19.25 | bpun | asg, is it standard ide?, i have a spare 20g ata hanging around.. |
| 21:19.57 | asg | bpun: no, it's just an embedded device with no native storage. You plugin usb sticks or usb harddisks. |
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| 21:21.02 | Fetrovsky | hi |
| 21:21.02 | Fetrovsky | what can I use to view a .wmv? |
| 21:21.02 | asg | Fetrovsky: mplayer |
| 21:21.02 | Vasistha | Znuff: ahh, that explains it. I think you're just gonna have to struggle with it :-/ |
| 21:21.02 | Fetrovsky | ah ok |
| 21:21.02 | Fetrovsky | aptitude install mplayer? |
| 21:21.02 | Znuff | Vasistha, yeah, that's what I'm doing :) |
| 21:21.02 | Fetrovsky | just like that? |
| 21:21.02 | bpun | asg, ah, that's better then.. ok, i'll look into it, if its not to expensive.. which i don't think it'll cost more than 50 bucks here in canada.. |
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| 21:21.03 | Flashylight | how do i send mail with exim? |
| 21:21.03 | Flashylight | :( |
| 21:21.03 | asg | bpun: cost me $84 US new from amazon a few days ago |
| 21:21.31 | kth`` | Why does update-grub just overwrites menu.lst with a new one and ignores the options there? Is there a separate config for debian way(tm)? |
| 21:21.51 | kth`` | s/overwrites/overwrite/ |
| 21:22.14 | dvs | kth``: ignores what? |
| 21:22.22 | amphi | kth``: look at the #kopt line |
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| 21:22.51 | bpun | asg, i find that i can sometimes get the same thing cheaper with ebay-- including the shipping charge and currency conversion.. ebay is awesome |
| 21:23.11 | asg | bpun: oh, you can easily find it cheaper. I'm just lazy. |
| 21:23.26 | Znuff | weee, I did it :P |
| 21:23.29 | kth`` | dvs, I'm uncommenting and setting alternative=false, after running update-grub it's commented out again and I still have single mode on the list |
| 21:23.56 | bpun | asg, 60 bucks usd vendor price.. |
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| 21:24.04 | asg | bpun: there you go |
| 21:24.11 | dvs | kth``: you're not suppose to uncomment the line |
| 21:24.22 | dvs | kth'': keep it commented |
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| 21:24.39 | bpun | asg, and i guess it works well and would use less power than my old clunk.. |
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| 21:25.05 | asg | bpun: quiet as a mouse; should draw much less power. |
| 21:25.08 | kth`` | dvs, >_> Thanks |
| 21:25.19 | dvs | no prob |
| 21:25.45 | bpun | asg, it actually aggravates as to how bad google has become-- google turns up crap when looking for this hackstuff.. |
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| 21:26.50 | simonrvn | i dunno, i usually find the stuff i want in google still |
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| 21:27.09 | simonrvn | it's actually rarer for me to *not* find it |
| 21:27.12 | simonrvn | now |
| 21:27.23 | Znuff | apt-cache search something? %_% |
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| 21:28.50 | jeffwheeler | What's the easiest way to schedule backups of my /home partition (only contains a few gigs of data)? Or, if so, automatically mirror the partition on another drive? |
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| 21:28.51 | StefanG | hi |
| 21:28.51 | bpun | simonrvn, i find google is becoming more of a mess and i'm sure a better search engine will spring.. there's still alot that it does.. but for certain things it sucks.. i find.. |
| 21:28.51 | dvs | jeffwheeler: I heard rsync is nice |
| 21:29.10 | jeffwheeler | dvs: wouldn't rsync be a bit much? I was thinking just running RAID on that and the external drive (sorry, forgot to mentin that) |
| 21:29.18 | Znuff | Hmm, any idea how do pass all arguments to a program if I run a bash script that runs that program? I remember you could just do $1- but it seems it doesn't work |
| 21:29.36 | war | Znuff: $* |
| 21:29.40 | war | Znuff: or $@ |
| 21:29.56 | Znuff | yay, thanks |
| 21:30.25 | war | np. |
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| 21:31.42 | Znuff | in your face, MediaTemple! :P |
| 21:31.44 | Znuff | they said they couldn't install ffmpeg for me :-/ |
| 21:34.16 | dvs | jeffwheeler: I haven't used rsync myself but I've heard that it is very efficient. |
| 21:34.27 | Znuff | rsync is reat |
| 21:34.27 | Znuff | great |
| 21:34.49 | jeffwheeler | dvs: yeah, I've used rsync to sync to a remote server; I might do that in addition to raiding to a local hd |
| 21:34.54 | StefanG | i have german locale and after dist-upgrading my AltGr key does not work and the Ctrl+Alt does also not work .. any ideas where i can start searching? |
| 21:34.58 | jeffwheeler | which I think is really what I should do |
| 21:34.59 | jeffwheeler | thanks |
| 21:34.59 | dpkg | jeffwheeler: my pleasure |
| 21:35.15 | dvs | ha! |
| 21:35.19 | dvs | dpkg: shut up |
| 21:35.20 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 21:35.25 | dvs | jeffwheeler: no problem |
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| 21:38.35 | Flashylight | D: |
| 21:38.37 | Flashylight | ohhh |
| 21:38.43 | Flashylight | exim doesnt get mails out |
| 21:38.44 | Flashylight | why? |
| 21:38.50 | bpun | asg, just a question about the device-- can it still do a hardware reset? |
| 21:38.50 | Ronin | Flashylight: you tell us, |
| 21:39.06 | cparker | how "intelligent" is dpkg? |
| 21:39.10 | Flashylight | um dont know |
| 21:39.12 | bpun | dvs, you love bots dont ya? |
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| 21:39.23 | simonrvn | didn't set it up for that? you'd have to tell us though, my crystall ball ran out of batteries this morning :P |
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| 21:39.31 | simonrvn | s,ll,l, |
| 21:39.41 | dvs | bpun: no, just to abuse them. ;-) |
| 21:39.43 | cparker | dpkg, what's up? |
| 21:39.43 | dpkg | everything is okay thanks |
| 21:39.58 | cparker | dpkg, who are you? |
| 21:39.58 | dpkg | I'm a chimp! |
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| 21:40.00 | cparker | lmao |
| 21:40.06 | bpun | asg, still there? |
| 21:40.06 | Flashylight | dpkg-configure Flashylight |
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| 21:40.15 | cparker | dpkg, are you a bot? |
| 21:40.23 | xaitax | yes, its a bot |
| 21:40.25 | cparker | ah HA |
| 21:40.34 | cparker | xaitax, I know. I'm testing it. :) |
| 21:40.43 | dvs | !what are you? |
| 21:40.44 | xaitax | :-) |
| 21:40.44 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 21:40.49 | xaitax | lol |
| 21:40.52 | cparker | ahhh |
| 21:41.03 | cparker | !tell cparker about blootbot |
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| 21:43.24 | timthelion | is there a way to install unstable packages like emacs-snapshot on stable? |
| 21:43.28 | Mage_ | is gnome 2.18 already in Debian ? |
| 21:43.49 | MrMiste1 | testing methinks |
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| 21:45.23 | Mage_ | it seems that it's still 2.14 in unstable .. ? |
| 21:45.34 | MrMiste1 | oh dear |
| 21:45.42 | Ronin | timthelion: perhaps in backports |
| 21:45.54 | Wawanee | anybody who could help me with mysql? |
| 21:46.10 | Ronin | Wawanee: try asking/telling us the problem :) |
| 21:46.14 | Wawanee | okay |
| 21:46.25 | timthelion | Ronin: backports? ok, I'll look that up. |
| 21:46.44 | xaitax | Mage: no, ist 2.18.1-1 in unstable |
| 21:46.49 | Wawanee | This afternoon I updated the mysql-client und mysql-server packages on my server... |
| 21:46.50 | Ronin | !tell timthelion about backports |
| 21:46.57 | xaitax | 2.14.3-2 in testing |
| 21:46.59 | Mage_ | mage@rivendell:~$ apt-cache policy gnome-desktop-environment|grep -i 'candidate' Candidate: 1:2.14.3.6 |
| 21:47.04 | Mage_ | I'm in unstable |
| 21:47.16 | Wawanee | but after this I could not access mysql anymore |
| 21:47.18 | Fetrovsky | if i change the attributes for /dev/mixer |
| 21:47.21 | Fetrovsky | are they permanent? |
| 21:47.30 | Fetrovsky | chmod |
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| 21:47.41 | xaitax | Mage. according to http://packages.debian.org its 2.18 there |
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| 21:48.00 | xaitax | perhaps something went wrong with your pinning? |
| 21:48.03 | frank | Fetrovsky: if you use udev, until next reboot |
| 21:48.16 | simonrvn | Mage_: that's just the meta-package |
| 21:48.18 | Wawanee | when I try to start mysql via /etc/init.d/mysql start ... it fails |
| 21:48.28 | Wawanee | but it starts mysqld |
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| 21:48.30 | Wawanee | :/ |
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| 21:48.44 | Mage_ | xaitax: I don't think so : http://rafb.net/p/EqDXQp74.html |
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| 21:48.48 | Mage_ | simonrvn: ah.. |
| 21:48.56 | Fetrovsky | frank: what's udev and how do I know if i'm using it? |
| 21:48.56 | xaitax | youre trying the metapackager |
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| 21:49.23 | fasta_ | Is there a general way to download Flash video streams (I assume they all use some kind of standard "video" component of Flash)? |
| 21:49.30 | Mage_ | ok |
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| 21:51.04 | bpun | fasta, streams? or swf files.., you can do both, but if the video stream is called from the swf, you'd need to decode the .swf file.. |
| 21:51.19 | Wawanee | seufz |
| 21:51.20 | piztek3 | does anyone know how to and where to install mplayer skins? |
| 21:51.22 | frank | !tell Fetrovsky about udev |
| 21:51.34 | fasta_ | bpun: streams |
| 21:51.44 | Flashylight | im such a n00b :( |
| 21:51.48 | fasta_ | bpun: AFAIK, it's not a simple wget foo.swf |
| 21:52.05 | bpun | Fetrovsky, udev takes care of /dev, don't expect to be spoonfed for everything when to you have blood bots around ya.. |
| 21:52.29 | bpun | fasta, AFAIK use firefox plugins |
| 21:52.30 | fasta_ | bpun: What program can do that? |
| 21:52.32 | simonrvn | blootbots |
| 21:52.39 | Fetrovsky | bloodbots? |
| 21:52.41 | Fetrovsky | what's that? |
| 21:52.43 | bpun | fasta, firefox has plugins for this |
| 21:52.44 | fasta_ | bpun: like? |
| 21:52.45 | simonrvn | blootbots |
| 21:52.52 | Fetrovsky | what's that? |
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| 21:53.05 | simonrvn | dpkg: of what species art thou? |
| 21:53.05 | dpkg | Bottus debianus. |
| 21:53.10 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 21:53.17 | Fetrovsky | heheh |
| 21:53.38 | bpun | blood bots is dadaism on the word bloots |
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| 21:53.46 | bpun | i just invented it :) |
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| 21:53.52 | fasta_ | bpun: do you have a specific name? |
| 21:54.06 | bpun | fasta, go to mozilla.org and click add-ons |
| 21:54.26 | fasta_ | bpun: I don't need that level of hand-holding |
| 21:54.28 | bpun | or extensions or whatever they're called.. |
| 21:54.46 | fasta_ | bpun: Something like "AdBlock Plus" would be good enough./ |
| 21:54.56 | fasta_ | bpun: I will look for myself, nm. |
| 21:54.58 | bpun | fasta, hey, i'm trying to help..relax.. |
| 21:55.01 | Fetrovsky | how do I allow many sound streams at once? |
| 21:55.32 | bpun | fasta, you're making no sense in your questions anyways and at least i provided direction.. |
| 21:55.51 | fasta_ | bpun: Uhm, what exactly was not clear? |
| 21:55.59 | xaitax | Fetrovsky: which sound daemon? |
| 21:56.08 | Fetrovsky | i'm not sure if it's alsa or... |
| 21:56.22 | tarzeau | piztek3: http://debian.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/dists/sarge/local/main/binary-i386/x11/mplayer-skins_0.20041109-1_i386.deb |
| 21:56.28 | fasta_ | bpun: There are two types of Flash video on the web: 1) Embedded in the file 2) streamed via code. |
| 21:56.28 | frank | Fetrovsky: ask google about dmix |
| 21:56.28 | Fetrovsky | OSS |
| 21:56.34 | Fetrovsky | dmix |
| 21:56.36 | Fetrovsky | aight |
| 21:56.38 | fasta_ | bpun: I need 2, what's hard about that? |
| 21:56.54 | bpun | fasta, what's hard about what? |
| 21:57.25 | fasta_ | bpun: you claimed you didn't understand the question./ |
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| 21:57.33 | bpun | fasta, flash video is .flv -- it's a technical term.. you're very confused.. |
| 21:57.50 | bpun | fasta, just omit these terms.. but the tools are there... |
| 21:58.14 | fasta_ | bpun: no, you interpret something which is not meant as a technical term as one because you interpret context incorrectly. |
| 21:58.32 | bpun | fasta_, don't bring up these confusing terms.. because there's many uses for them.. |
| 21:58.33 | fasta_ | bpun: tell me one other way to interpret what I said. |
| 21:58.36 | bpun | bpun, 'Flash video' is termed for .flv.. (note the extension).. |
| 21:59.00 | bpun | you see i messaged myself even.. fasta, at least i hope you get the point.. |
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| 21:59.47 | fasta_ | bpun: I understand that misusing technical terms is not good, but you act like a machine. |
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| 22:00.01 | bpun | !spank fasta_ |
| 22:00.05 | fasta_ | bpun: a very unforgiving machine. |
| 22:00.21 | bpun | there go on your way and download those plugins.. you're wining over nothing.. |
| 22:00.29 | Flashylight | :D i did it coool!!!! |
| 22:00.36 | Flashylight | i send an email |
| 22:00.43 | Flashylight | sent |
| 22:00.45 | Flashylight | ^* |
| 22:00.47 | fasta_ | bpun: it's _whining_. |
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| 22:01.07 | frank | Flashylight: genious |
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| 22:01.22 | bpun | !spank fasta_ |
| 22:01.53 | fasta_ | bpun: and you still didn't help, btw. Did you mean "VideoDownloader"? |
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| 22:02.14 | fasta_ | bpun: AFAIK, that one doesn't work, so either you are just wasting my time or you are not willing to help. |
| 22:02.55 | bpun | fasta, if you need help for firefox head to #firefox, that's not even a debian topic |
| 22:03.12 | fasta_ | bpun: now you are twisting things. |
| 22:03.25 | fasta_ | bpun: _you_ suggested "firefox", which is overly vague. |
| 22:03.59 | fasta_ | bpun: if I then ask for clarification, that's on-topic. |
| 22:04.05 | xaitax | fasta_ you are annoying |
| 22:04.08 | xaitax | please go home |
| 22:04.17 | bpun | xaitax, it's ok, i'm not talking to him :) |
| 22:04.54 | fasta_ | xaitax: I think someone providing zero information contents is annoying too. |
| 22:04.58 | xaitax | just making sur ehe notices |
| 22:05.10 | xaitax | oh boy |
| 22:05.17 | fasta_ | content* |
| 22:05.22 | xaitax | just relax |
| 22:05.23 | bpun | xaitax, there's a reason why channels exists *sigh.. |
| 22:05.29 | xaitax | *g* |
| 22:05.44 | fasta_ | xaitax: You may explain to me what information bpun provided. |
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| 22:06.23 | xaitax | you are very aggressive |
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| 22:06.43 | MrMiste1 | it's the calm before another storm |
| 22:06.46 | xaitax | i don't know what your problem is |
| 22:07.09 | fasta_ | xaitax: How can you tell I am "aggressive"? |
| 22:07.18 | MrMiste1 | The text is so toneful |
| 22:08.00 | fasta_ | I am trying to make the point bpun contributions were completely worthless, while he acted as an authority. |
| 22:08.20 | xaitax | who do you think you are? |
| 22:08.29 | xaitax | what do you expect? |
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| 22:08.41 | Eden | hi all, does anyone know if debian has some sort of default firewall installed? i cant seam to access TS on udp port 8767 |
| 22:08.53 | fasta_ | xaitax: I expect that when someone takes the time to respond, he/she thinks before making a suggestion. |
| 22:08.54 | rhalff | what's ts |
| 22:09.25 | xaitax | ok i'm not feeding you any longer ;) |
| 22:09.28 | fasta_ | xaitax: if nobody answered my question, then that would have been ok too. |
| 22:09.52 | dmilith | is it possible to make using one computer with 2 monitors 2 mices and 2 keyboards do "two sepperated machine feeling" ? |
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| 22:09.54 | bzed | fasta_: stop beeing a dickhead, your question was answered. |
| 22:10.08 | bzed | fasta_: if you're unable to find plugins for firefox/icewaesel, ask in #mozilla. |
| 22:10.18 | bzed | or however that channel is called |
| 22:10.28 | bzed | or just search on addons.mozilla.com |
| 22:10.41 | fasta_ | bzed: answered? HAHAHAHAHA, you are funny. |
| 22:11.11 | fasta_ | bzed: try to follow the conversation next time. |
| 22:11.20 | bzed | fasta_: I've followed the conversation, thansk |
| 22:11.25 | bpun | wow I went for a snack and i see gibberish.. I guess some people never tend to progress.. fascinating.. |
| 22:11.36 | fasta_ | bzed: then you might want to brush up those reading skills. |
| 22:11.41 | Greyscale | is this user 1008ism the reason why uploading isn't working?: |
| 22:11.42 | Greyscale | 1008 2903 0.0 1.0 4412 1976 ? S 23:06 0:00 proftpd: greyscale - host86-131-28-109.range86-131.btcentral |
| 22:11.44 | rhalff | dmilith: what you wanna use it for |
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| 22:11.53 | Greyscale | (also, I am aware I pasted my IP |
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| 22:11.59 | Greyscale | its not like its not in my hostmask ==> |
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| 22:12.37 | rhalff | dmilith: I guess you can do it with vmware player or xen or something |
| 22:12.46 | dmilith | rhalff: i wanna work with second person.. pair programming.. with 2 cursors and dividable keyboard controllers.. |
| 22:12.51 | Eden | anyone had any ideas why i cant access upd ports? |
| 22:12.52 | dmilith | rhalff: noo.. |
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| 22:13.03 | rhalff | huh why not |
| 22:13.04 | dmilith | at the same time |
| 22:13.13 | dmilith | rhalff: |
| 22:13.35 | Flashylight | ok |
| 22:13.39 | Flashylight | now i have a new problem |
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| 22:13.40 | rhalff | so just select the second keyboard an mouse for vmware and make it fullscreen at the second monitor |
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| 22:13.47 | Flashylight | all my mails go to SPAM |
| 22:13.48 | Flashylight | why? |
| 22:13.49 | Flashylight | :( |
| 22:14.00 | Spyro_boy | bad regex? |
| 22:14.17 | dmilith | i mean, every person has own "machine" on his screen.. on one machine |
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| 22:14.20 | rhalff | dmilith: isn't the idea of pair programming that one watches and one programs btw ? |
| 22:14.27 | MrMiste1 | someone should make a log of this channel for a whole month, that would make some interesting reading |
| 22:14.36 | dmilith | rhalff: not quite like that |
| 22:14.54 | dmilith | it's for team working issues ;} |
| 22:15.05 | MrMiste1 | flashylight: Does all your mail have 'viagra' in the subject? |
| 22:15.08 | Fetrovsky | i get /dev/dsp: Permission denied |
| 22:15.11 | Flashylight | no |
| 22:15.16 | Flashylight | it has |
| 22:15.18 | Flashylight | hello |
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| 22:15.48 | MrMiste1 | which email thing are you using, is it a program (evoluion), gmail, hotmail etc |
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| 22:16.16 | rhalff | dmilith: maybe xen can do it not sure though |
| 22:16.38 | MrMiste1 | flashylight: which email thing are you using, is it a program (evoluion), gmail, hotmail etc |
| 22:16.39 | Flashylight | exim CLI |
| 22:16.44 | MrMiste1 | right |
| 22:17.29 | Flashylight | i write on the CLI exim -v "sasa@asas.com" |
| 22:17.35 | Flashylight | ok actually an e-mail |
| 22:17.53 | rhalff | dmilith: but I don't really see the point :) |
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| 22:18.38 | MrMiste1 | flashylight: try asking in #exim |
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| 22:20.16 | wols | Fetrovsky: are you in the audio group? |
| 22:21.02 | Fetrovsky | i just added myself |
| 22:21.17 | Fetrovsky | do I need to restart gnome or something? |
| 22:22.18 | Fetrovsky | ok i'll do that |
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| 22:26.52 | abrotman | !bt |
| 22:26.52 | dpkg | bt sux0rs. Bhutan, or bluetooth. British Telecom, or bittorrent |
| 22:26.54 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:26.56 | abrotman | !bluetooth |
| 22:26.56 | dpkg | well, bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
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| 22:27.31 | nvz | haha, about as secure as shouting |
| 22:27.53 | fdgffggfhjhb | doesn't bluetooth support encryption |
| 22:27.56 | fdgffggfhjhb | ? |
| 22:27.58 | abrotman | oh |
| 22:28.06 | nvz | thats about as funny as me telling that girl at BP that I got more issues than Time magazine |
| 22:28.12 | abrotman | fdgffggfhjhb: dunno |
| 22:28.19 | Southern | how can I make possible wlassistant executable by all users?? |
| 22:29.22 | *** mode/#debian [+l 749] by debhelper |
| 22:29.22 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 22:29.22 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
| 22:29.33 | fdgffggfhjhb | dpkg I am having trouble with debian recognizing my bluetooth dongle. Any suggestions |
| 22:30.08 | Southern | abrotman, if get /bin/wlassistant and do chown root:users will it go?? |
| 22:30.20 | abrotman | Southern: you can set the sticky bit |
| 22:30.26 | abrotman | fdgffggfhjhb: dpkg is a bot |
| 22:30.51 | fdgffggfhjhb | doht |
| 22:30.59 | MrMiste1 | who decided to call it dpkg, that's original |
| 22:31.31 | Southern | MrMiste1, I did, I'm glad you like it.. |
| 22:31.32 | Southern | xDDD |
| 22:31.53 | MrMiste1 | rofl |
| 22:32.14 | fdgffggfhjhb | I was about to say that is one smart bot that dpkg |
| 22:32.18 | Greyscale | lulz |
| 22:32.22 | MrMiste1 | !permissions |
| 22:32.22 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
| 22:32.26 | MrMiste1 | sorry, i had to try |
| 22:32.34 | Southern | X) |
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| 22:33.07 | Greyscale | 1008 2997 0.0 0.6 4236 1252 ? Ss 23:21 0:00 /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 22:33.15 | Greyscale | Why is it 1008 and not my username? |
| 22:33.50 | Wyzard | Is your userid 1008? |
| 22:33.53 | abrotman | Greyscale: what options did you use ? |
| 22:34.31 | Greyscale | thats from alot of things |
| 22:34.42 | Greyscale | Any remote connection, practicly |
| 22:34.53 | Greyscale | and I noticed it coincided with being unable to upload files |
| 22:35.05 | StaticSho | i need to set up a samba domain controller for a network of something like 10 computers. can i get away with a dinky 300 dollar workstation to host it? shouldn't be too bad, right? |
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| 22:35.25 | abrotman | StaticSho: yes |
| 22:35.26 | StaticSho | i was looking at this: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/dimen_e521?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04 |
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| 22:35.44 | StaticSho | 256k L2 cache |
| 22:35.48 | StaticSho | kind of a low end thing |
| 22:35.54 | StaticSho | but the network is ridiculously small |
| 22:36.01 | Greyscale | dude, a AMD K6-2 would do that A-OK |
| 22:36.11 | Greyscale | 300Mhz is suprisingly enough for alot of things. |
| 22:36.11 | abrotman | StaticSho: got a spare 486 ? |
| 22:36.45 | StaticSho | shit, i actually do, at work. not exactly a 486, but a 400mhz p2 or something. |
| 22:36.57 | abrotman | StaticSho: fill the RAM up .. should be fine |
| 22:37.02 | StaticSho | 512mb? |
| 22:37.09 | StaticSho | shit, i wonder if they threw it out yet |
| 22:37.23 | Greyscale | Dude, you can get away with lots of things on old hardware |
| 22:37.29 | Greyscale | old tech is much more forgiving |
| 22:37.30 | StaticSho | it was a compaq server without a hard drive. buying a hard drive might be cheaper than buying a new tower |
| 22:37.38 | abrotman | StaticSho: i have a PII 300 Mhz with 192MB as a samba fileserver that connects to an NT4 PDC .. runs fine |
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| 22:37.54 | StaticSho | sounds awesome |
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| 22:38.22 | StaticSho | is a samba domain controller tough to set up? |
| 22:38.37 | abrotman | ask #samba .. or read at samba.org |
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| 22:38.47 | Greyscale | StaticSho, I have an AMD K6-2 300 with a pair of 80GB disks for my share needs. |
| 22:38.48 | abrotman | i thnk it depends on the client workstations |
| 22:38.54 | StaticSho | nice |
| 22:39.05 | StaticSho | clients are mostly winxp pro or home |
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| 22:39.24 | TK_ | hello everyone |
| 22:39.35 | Greyscale | StaticSho, doesn't really matter. The hardware is all fine |
| 22:39.44 | StaticSho | cool |
| 22:39.46 | MrMiste1 | me hav probim, what be Debian? |
| 22:39.48 | Greyscale | I actually had a PowerPC mac as my fileserver for a long time |
| 22:39.49 | MrMiste1 | Just teasing |
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| 22:40.44 | StaticSho | yeah, i'm totally gonna rescue a throwaway computer from my day job and set it up as a samba server for my parents' company |
| 22:40.55 | StaticSho | a no-money solution |
| 22:41.01 | Greyscale | Where is StaticSho? |
| 22:41.08 | abrotman | connecticut |
| 22:41.08 | StaticSho | where is what? |
| 22:41.11 | StaticSho | yeah |
| 22:41.11 | Greyscale | <== curious |
| 22:41.14 | Greyscale | ah |
| 22:41.17 | abrotman | StaticSho: go sox!? :) |
| 22:41.24 | Greyscale | I need a job. Damn oxford. |
| 22:41.26 | StaticSho | baseball can suck it |
| 22:41.33 | StaticSho | oxford, UK? |
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| 22:41.44 | StaticSho | abrotman: you like sox? |
| 22:41.45 | Greyscale | Yeah |
| 22:41.57 | abrotman | StaticSho: i spent my youthful summers in Maine .. so yeah |
| 22:41.59 | StaticSho | is that where Last.FM is based? i don't remember |
| 22:42.02 | bytekode` | england |
| 22:42.04 | Greyscale | I live in a satellite town of Oxford, England |
| 22:42.06 | abrotman | StaticSho: London IIRC |
| 22:42.10 | StaticSho | oh, ok. |
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| 22:42.24 | StaticSho | oxford is a pretty big city, right |
| 22:42.24 | StaticSho | ? |
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| 22:43.08 | Greyscale | StaticSho, fairly |
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| 22:43.27 | Greyscale | but noone will take on a 16 yearold kid, nomatter how much practical experiance one has :P |
| 22:43.35 | StaticSho | oh, yeah, that sucks |
| 22:43.50 | timthelion | is it possible to have aptitude uninstall all packages that match a search? |
| 22:43.51 | StaticSho | that's the kind of attitude that forces 16 yearolds to sit in their basements and crack NSA security |
| 22:44.00 | timthelion | I want to remove all emacs packages |
| 22:44.11 | abrotman | timthelion: probably .. you can do a dry run to test |
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| 22:44.47 | piztek3 | mplayer doesn't play music? |
| 22:44.50 | abrotman | timthelion: aptitude remove emacs* |
| 22:44.53 | piztek3 | mp3s? |
| 22:45.10 | mango | hi, how can i stop some application from stating automaticaly at start up please? |
| 22:45.21 | timthelion | yikes! the aptitude man page is filled with \f's it |
| 22:45.27 | timthelion | is hardly readable |
| 22:45.43 | mango | by the way I am using gnome desktop on debian etch |
| 22:45.44 | piztek3 | where can i change default applications |
| 22:45.51 | MrMiste1 | mango: go to system>>preferences>>sessions and then the startup application tab |
| 22:45.57 | MrMiste1 | remove as required |
| 22:46.33 | piztek3 | where can i change default applications |
| 22:46.46 | StaticSho | Greyscale: move to america, paul graham will get you hired |
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| 22:47.59 | halkeye | is there something extra that needs to be installed? i'm getting undefined reference to basic_string when compiling zsnes |
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| 22:48.06 | Greyscale | D: I wish I could StaticSho |
| 22:48.22 | MrMiste1 | did you get it, mango? |
| 22:48.40 | section31 | is there a way i can change from root to a regular user from teh cmd line |
| 22:48.41 | timthelion | how do I find out which version of debian I have? |
| 22:48.57 | Wyzard | section31: su <username> |
| 22:49.10 | section31 | excellent |
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| 22:49.31 | cydork | timthelion: /msg dpkg version |
| 22:49.56 | abrotman | piztek3: default for what ? |
| 22:50.08 | mango | MrMiste1: I think..but all the applications that start at boot time are in the current sessin tab...I have to restart my sytem to see...but thanks anyway |
| 22:50.22 | MrMiste1 | why not do alt-tab-backspace? |
| 22:50.24 | Wyzard | mango: not boot time, login time |
| 22:50.31 | piztek3 | abrotman: like say default video player |
| 22:50.45 | abrotman | piztek3: yes .. in what ? |
| 22:50.46 | Wyzard | mango: It's only user stuff, not system stuff |
| 22:50.53 | mango | Wyzard: yes login time:) |
| 22:50.56 | MrMiste1 | mango: that will restart x and all the startup programs |
| 22:51.02 | abrotman | piztek3: gnome? kde? your car? |
| 22:51.03 | piztek3 | mplayer |
| 22:51.06 | piztek3 | gnome |
| 22:51.15 | MrMiste1 | mango: ctrl-alt-backspace sorry |
| 22:51.41 | abrotman | piztek3: right click and go to properties .. and then the Open With ta |
| 22:51.42 | abrotman | tab |
| 22:51.52 | piztek3 | sweet, thanks |
| 22:52.06 | mango | MrMiste1: I will logout and in again. thanks guys...let see what happen. if you do not see me again, it means that it works |
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| 22:58.33 | ofirg_ | anyone know how am I supposed to configure exim? I did the dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, but I want to tweak it more |
| 22:58.56 | MrMiste1 | hey there ofirg |
| 22:59.28 | ofirg_ | yo MrMiste1 |
| 22:59.34 | MrMiste1 | 'sup |
| 23:00.19 | Guerin | ofirg_: using your favourite editor |
| 23:00.27 | MrMiste1 | EMACS? |
| 23:00.39 | ofirg_ | Guerin, on what file? |
| 23:00.39 | Guerin | emacs |
| 23:00.40 | Bushmills | ofirg_: my guess, /etc/exim* |
| 23:00.44 | MrMiste1 | (that was of course sarcasm) |
| 23:00.51 | Guerin | ofirg_: the ones mentioned in the exim documentation |
| 23:01.45 | ofirg_ | The thing is that the debian way autoconfigures, and overwrite the config file, that what I understand from the doc |
| 23:01.49 | ma3x | what's the marillat line for unstable? |
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| 23:02.56 | Guerin | ma3x: debian-multimedia.org |
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| 23:03.36 | ma3x | is it actually worth it upgrading to sid? |
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| 23:03.50 | Guerin | ma3x: no. |
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| 23:03.58 | ma3x | what you run guerin? |
| 23:04.01 | Guerin | ma3x: sid isn't an upgrade. |
| 23:04.15 | streuner | ma3x: read /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:04.18 | ma3x | alright, 'switching' to sid if you want |
| 23:04.23 | Guerin | ma3x: i run sid, etch, lenny and openbsd, for different purposes |
| 23:04.37 | ma3x | you got 4 pcs? lol |
| 23:05.06 | ma3x | let's say I switch to sid, then something breaks |
| 23:05.09 | Guerin | i have a pc, a router, a webserver out in serverland and a laptop which my wife monopolises |
| 23:05.14 | ma3x | I want to return to etch |
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| 23:05.19 | ma3x | and i have a backup of sid |
| 23:05.20 | Guerin | ma3x: then we laugh at you and say `we told you so' |
| 23:05.30 | streuner | Guerin: 'monopolises' haha |
| 23:05.37 | ma3x | what should I restore exactly? /etc /dev what else? |
| 23:05.42 | ma3x | /usr /lib ? |
| 23:05.45 | streuner | heh |
| 23:05.47 | Guerin | streuner: she has kde on it, with the ugly purple CDE theme |
| 23:05.54 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:05.59 | Guerin | ma3x: it doesn't work that way. |
| 23:06.10 | ma3x | Guerin, how does it work? |
| 23:06.14 | ma3x | why not? |
| 23:06.29 | Guerin | ma3x: when you want to downgrade, you reinstall, or restore a complete filesystem from backup. |
| 23:06.32 | ma3x | I could just rm -rf /etc /usr /lib and the others |
| 23:06.37 | ma3x | and then I could copy them from the backup |
| 23:06.55 | Guerin | ma3x: yes. You could do that to everything except /home, and it might work |
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| 23:07.06 | ma3x | yeah that's what I'm talking about |
| 23:07.09 | Guerin | right |
| 23:07.16 | Guerin | that contitutes a reinstall |
| 23:07.27 | ma3x | I backed up with mondo |
| 23:07.39 | ma3x | does that save the file permissions... ? |
| 23:07.52 | Guerin | ma3x: if it dopesn't, it's not a backer-upperer |
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| 23:08.30 | ma3x | ok, for the moment I don't need to switch to sid |
| 23:08.37 | ma3x | I needed today some newer packages |
| 23:08.44 | ma3x | and I built .debs for them |
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| 23:09.01 | JessyKA | does xfmedia work inside fluxbox? |
| 23:09.23 | Guerin | JessyKA: no reason it shouldn't |
| 23:09.51 | Guerin | ma3x: that's a much more preferable approach to upgrading wholesale. |
| 23:09.57 | ofirg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.13 | ofirg_ | Guerin, thanks for the tip though |
| 23:10.22 | Guerin | ofirg_: since I didn't mention a file, I'm not sure what you're on about. |
| 23:10.34 | ma3x | Guerin, do things often break on sid? |
| 23:10.46 | Guerin | ma3x: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:11.09 | Decepticon | whats a fast commandline way i can test if a localhost socks ssh proxy is connected to the internet? |
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| 23:11.21 | ofirg_ | Guerin, ah |
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| 23:11.54 | piztek3 | can anyone here help with compiz |
| 23:12.06 | abrotman | can you ask a real question? |
| 23:12.07 | Guerin | Decepticon: netstat -punta |grep something |
| 23:12.13 | piztek3 | lol |
| 23:12.16 | uber_newb | hey all how do you enable dL burning? k3b sayeth it's good to go... but i get an error w/ files > 4 gb |
| 23:12.42 | Guerin | uber_newb: does your drive support it? |
| 23:13.13 | Decepticon | Guerin what is that switch? |
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| 23:13.24 | uber_newb | yes my drive support dual layer burning |
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| 23:13.41 | Guerin | Decepticon: i don't know, it's just a memorisable string of letters which normally yield useful output |
| 23:13.57 | abrotman | it has a man page |
| 23:14.00 | Guerin | uber_newb: well done, you've reached the limit of my DVD burning expertise |
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| 23:14.20 | uber_newb | OMG, nooooooooo lol |
| 23:14.33 | Guerin | i just got a dvd burner the other week |
| 23:14.39 | abrotman | Guerin: you're a rich man |
| 23:14.47 | Guerin | haven't burnt a damn thing with it yet, though I could do with making a backup or three |
| 23:14.57 | Guerin | abrotman: I am? Someone should tell my bank. |
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| 23:15.28 | abrotman | Guerin: your bank tells you .. monthly :) |
| 23:15.36 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:15.44 | Guerin | daily, actually, because my wife works for them |
| 23:15.50 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 23:15.53 | Guerin | abrotman: i may not be rich in money - but I sure am rich in fish heads |
| 23:15.56 | minus | Hi.. ehm.. How do i use "locate" so it searches the whole drive and not just the pwd ? |
| 23:15.56 | abrotman | tell her to get on the OfficeSpace program |
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| 23:16.04 | bpun | Guerin, wow you got a burner, cool what have you burned lately, windows? |
| 23:16.13 | Guerin | got half a dozen good fish yesterday, 'twas a productive afternoon\ |
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| 23:17.57 | Guerin | bpun: nope. Nothin' |
| 23:18.11 | minus | *waves* help? |
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| 23:18.50 | bpun | Guerin, hehe, i got a burner recently on usb, they tend to give a free usb external enclosure with 'em for.. |
| 23:19.05 | Guerin | yeh |
| 23:19.10 | bpun | .. well cheaper.. |
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| 23:19.22 | Guerin | i bought one o' them things in about 99 when they first hit the market, with a cdrw in it |
| 23:19.34 | Ankman | can i boot debian from an USB stick if the computer does not support boot from USB? like setting up grub on a floppy? |
| 23:19.42 | Guerin | fucking thing worked fine on windows 2k, but nothing could I do to make it work on XP |
| 23:20.01 | Guerin | Ankman: not that I'm aware of |
| 23:20.53 | minus | So no one can explain how i search my whole drive with "locate" and not just the pwd ? |
| 23:21.17 | Ankman | damn |
| 23:21.20 | Ankman | thanks though |
| 23:21.20 | dpkg | my pleasure, Ankman |
| 23:21.22 | bpun | Guerin, doesn't surprise me, I have a few cd and dvd drives that go bad.. that's why i don't go for the 99 dollar margin.. they still suck even at that price.. |
| 23:21.38 | Guerin | ma3x: be root |
| 23:21.38 | Ankman | ? |
| 23:21.40 | Guerin | meh |
| 23:21.44 | Guerin | minus: be root |
| 23:22.01 | bpun | minus, in root we trust .. |
| 23:22.22 | minus | ah.. |
| 23:22.22 | minus | xD |
| 23:22.26 | Guerin | hm, is there a decent curses cd burner? |
| 23:22.42 | minus | doesn't work.. |
| 23:22.51 | Guerin | or something which has a UI which I don't need all of gnome/kde for? |
| 23:22.59 | Guerin | minus: opffer it use of a company car |
| 23:23.03 | minus | Guerin, what hm.. cdrecord.. |
| 23:23.25 | Guerin | minus: wasn't aware it had any sort of UI |
| 23:23.31 | bpun | Guerin, probably, search with apt-cache with keyword frontend and mkisofs |
| 23:23.35 | minus | that be root when doing "locate" didn't work |
| 23:23.44 | uber_newb | ok.. mkisofs limit is 4gb and there's groisofs right.. and that should handle > 4 gb and is part of dvd-+tools, what alternatives... can you guys think of? |
| 23:23.48 | Guerin | mm, debtags |
| 23:23.54 | Guerin | bpun: good thinking |
| 23:24.00 | bpun | minus, thus root-we-trust shall work another way |
| 23:24.02 | Guerin | minus: updatedb |
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| 23:24.12 | minus | Guerin, ok.. |
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| 23:24.26 | bpun | !congratulate minus |
| 23:24.26 | dpkg | Yay minus, you did it! |
| 23:24.54 | minus | We are not so sure of that just yet ^^ |
| 23:25.02 | bpun | Guerin, ought he to simply run the cron script-- /dev doesn't need to be indexed.. |
| 23:25.39 | Guerin | suppose so |
| 23:25.41 | minus | it worked :D |
| 23:25.48 | minus | thank you |
| 23:25.48 | dpkg | bitte, minus |
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| 23:26.36 | Guerin | h, cdw is back in debian |
| 23:27.26 | bpun | minus, of course you can always work on just recent data in ~ using find and grep |
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| 23:27.52 | bpun | just a newb tip :) |
| 23:27.57 | minus | ^^, |
| 23:28.04 | minus | Thanks again then xD |
| 23:28.04 | dpkg | gern geschehen, minus |
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| 23:29.25 | bpun | Guerin, have you found somethin with frontends in console? |
| 23:29.38 | Guerin | bpun: cdw, but it only does cds |
| 23:29.48 | minus | bpun, you dont happen to know why there isn't a ~/.comkyrc after i'we installed comky.. |
| 23:29.49 | minus | hm.. |
| 23:29.57 | bpun | Guerin, what kwords did you use? |
| 23:30.49 | Guerin | bpun: dvd |
| 23:31.02 | bpun | minus, well type 'history|grep cmdname', something to do with comky created it.. |
| 23:31.26 | bpun | minus, if you ran it from X or another program called it, then perhaps a script could of called it too.. |
| 23:31.51 | minus | i apt-get installed it.. |
| 23:32.06 | minus | then i loaded it thru xfrun |
| 23:32.26 | bpun | Guerin, try curses with dvd or dvd and console/terminal/shell |
| 23:32.44 | Guerin | bpun: in which interface is this? |
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| 23:33.28 | bpun | Guerin, well of course you don't mind if ncurses shows up, basically curses means it was programmed for console.. they keywords pretty much mean the same thing... |
| 23:33.55 | Guerin | ok, i know what curses is - in which interface are you suggesting I use these keywords? |
| 23:34.59 | Guerin | becvause aptitude search uses an AND, i think |
| 23:34.59 | bpun | Guerin, i'm assuming you want this under tty1, which the same console programs should work under x11 terminals anyways.. |
| 23:35.00 | bpun | Guerin, to apt-cache search |
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| 23:35.05 | bpun | Guerin, apt-cache search curse |
| 23:35.11 | bpun | Guerin, apt-cache search curse|grep dvd |
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| 23:35.29 | bpun | Guerin, or apt-cache search <>|grep <oth> |
| 23:35.36 | Guerin | mm, why must apt-cache work differently to aptitude |
| 23:35.45 | Guerin | bpun: yeah, yeah, i get it |
| 23:36.06 | bpun | Guerin, well i initially thought interface was questioning if it was X restricted.. |
| 23:36.13 | bpun | !tell Guerin about curses |
| 23:36.19 | Guerin | wtf |
| 23:36.44 | bpun | Guerin, anything you want explicitly to do with console uses curses |
| 23:36.58 | bpun | so just a tip on those keywordies :) |
| 23:37.09 | Guerin | i realise |
| 23:37.39 | bpun | Guerin, if nec, of course i hoped you know about apt-get update.. |
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| 23:38.52 | bpun | Guerin, the word interface sounds very ambiguous, so i got sidetracked... |
| 23:39.38 | bpun | Guerin, aptitude is called frontend rather than interface to help clarify what's running up against dpkg.. |
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| 23:40.38 | bpun | Guerin, you there? |
| 23:40.47 | weltschmerz | are there any major Debian leaders in here? |
| 23:40.58 | bpun | weltschmerz, we're all volunteers |
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| 23:42.05 | piztek3 | what is the option to start beryl |
| 23:42.10 | Flashylight | beryl |
| 23:42.15 | zirikili | Hi. after install nvidia-glx-legacy the X doesn't find the nvidia driver when I run it. any help? |
| 23:42.19 | piztek3 | why does it not draw windows boarders? |
| 23:42.25 | Flashylight | yes |
| 23:42.38 | weltschmerz | http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070520.022811.556347e5.en.html |
| 23:42.42 | Flashylight | well what you want to do? |
| 23:42.48 | Flashylight | you have to alter de xconf |
| 23:42.56 | Flashylight | use nv to use the ol driver |
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| 23:43.01 | Flashylight | or nvidia to use the new |
| 23:43.14 | Flashylight | but i tell you better use nvidia drivers |
| 23:43.20 | Flashylight | thos will work ok |
| 23:43.23 | Guerin | bpun: yes and no |
| 23:43.42 | Guerin | weltschmerz: few of the debian developers are here - most are on irc.debian.org |
| 23:44.11 | weltschmerz | i see. |
| 23:44.14 | Guerin | weltschmerz: the anti-condorcet troll is starting to become old, however |
| 23:44.26 | zirikili | Flashylight: nv runs ok but doesn't work with opengl. nvidia driver does. |
| 23:44.35 | bpun | Guerin, ? |
| 23:44.41 | Flashylight | yes |
| 23:44.43 | Guerin | bpun: yeah, i know - i'm just too lazy to learn another cli tool for something i never use |
| 23:44.47 | bpun | Guerin, relax.. |
| 23:44.55 | bpun | Guerin, ok :) |
| 23:44.55 | Guerin | bpun: i'm relaxed, are you? |
| 23:44.57 | Flashylight | so you should get the nvidia driver |
| 23:45.02 | bpun | Guerin, cool as a dime.. |
| 23:45.06 | Guerin | frosty |
| 23:45.25 | Guerin | "I personally came into the Range Voting movement after independently |
| 23:45.27 | Guerin | inventing Condorcet voting last summer while living in Portland." |
| 23:45.32 | Guerin | HAHA |
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| 23:45.36 | bpun | Guerin, just thought you were using apt-cache.. but aptitude is just as fine i guess.. |
| 23:45.45 | Guerin | independently inventing an already well-known and well-documented system |
| 23:45.46 | Guerin | genius |
| 23:46.01 | Guerin | bpun: except aptitude and apt-cache work rather differently |
| 23:46.10 | bpun | Guerin, dpkg is a bot, an auto-reply factoid.. |
| 23:46.33 | bpun | Guerin, like so, if dpkg tells you something.. well i guess you probably figured that out :).. |
| 23:46.37 | Guerin | um |
| 23:46.40 | markybob | wow |
| 23:46.59 | Guerin | i'm not sure who you are, but I've been hanging around here long enough to know all of this |
| 23:47.23 | bpun | Guerin, well i believe they use the same backend, but there's probably some differences i'm not familiar with.. |
| 23:47.23 | nvz | Guerin: I know that was boggling |
| 23:47.32 | nvz | it wasnt the only thing in that message I found strange though |
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| 23:48.12 | nvz | I had to second and even third glance at it cause I couldnt believe/understand wtf I was reading |
| 23:48.25 | bpun | well i thought you were having trouble finding something to do with burning things in console.. an interface seems a little newbish to me, at least ;) |
| 23:48.31 | mnguyen | I know this is a random question, but anybody know any good companies out there that offer stable cheap/free DNS servers? |
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| 23:48.47 | Guerin | bpun: yeah ... don't mistake `newb' for `lazy bastard' |
| 23:49.04 | bpun | Guerin, gotcha *lol :) |
| 23:49.16 | Guerin | mnguyen: http://soa.granitecanyon.com/ |
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| 23:51.54 | mnguyen | Guerin: sweet thanks :) |
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| 23:55.02 | bpun | Guerin, whatever happend to that bastard mister wilson? i did take a break from irc for quite a while.. if you do go that back *lol :) |
| 23:56.57 | itchi | Is RAID1 into the stock kernel? |
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| 23:57.04 | Guerin | bpun: yeah, he got banned a couple years ago |
| 23:57.12 | Guerin | permanently |
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| 23:57.59 | piztek3 | i'm on lenny, but can't find beryl-manager, can anyone help me find it |
| 23:58.22 | itchi | piztek3: Go on #beryl and look for that repo that you need to add |
| 23:58.47 | militant | ok, so gqcam wants /dev/video which doesn't exist. when i ln -s from teh /dev/usb/001/foo entry the cam is assigned at the time to /dev/video, gqcam fires up - but reports endless errors. what do i do to *make* /dev/video and have it be the cam (if possible) ? |
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| 23:59.21 | bpun | Guerin, that guy was funny.. well too bad.. he'd have a tough time making me mad.. i think he might put his misery in #flood or something.. since only flood doesn't seem to ban meanies.. :) |
| 23:59.26 | Guerin | militant: a symlink should work |
| 23:59.29 | itchi | militant: Is there not another /dev/video? video1 or so |
| 23:59.37 | militant | itchi: nope, none |
| 23:59.40 | Guerin | video0 perhaps |
